1561085;1477959068;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0C4BBD37524C4B2B77FF50D6C2FEA19BBA9E712F17831980B534158A22C9094 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168026500246808413594946371500907116935242852828383875540071338244632416255192144137200446307456676510422963756655778396233498197862652511153091147047408061362189507030023869131331706294089108430326902642905997078724979931491371066080376572272350746531415428594070084667426423370703132671668427480125023151189 divides RS 1561086;1477959068;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/637A344705C6B413E53892DA4D4E0DE421E4347FB788D3AEBF414304B0109AFB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168026500246808413594946371500907116935242852828383875540071338244632416255192144137200446307456676510422963756655778396233498197862652511153091147047408061362189507030023869131331706294089108430326902642905997078724979931491371066080376572272350746531415428594070084667426423370703132671668427480125023151189 divides RS 1561087;1477959766;shinohai;http://archive.is/Nw5Ft "I'm forking Zcash" lmao 1561088;1477962222;mod6;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1c6ur/?raw=true 1561089;1477962273;deedbot;accepted: 1 1561090;1477962325;mod6;!~later tell jurov I tried to send the State of Bitcoin Address email to the ML, which deeded just fine right now, but nothing seems to have shown up in the ML archives yet. 1561091;1477962325;jhvh1;mod6: The operation succeeded. 1561092;1477962359;mod6;Perhaps you can see if there was an error. I didn't get a bounce message, yet. Will let you know if I see anything on my end. 1561093;1477965857;mircea_popescu;happy bday mod6 1561094;1477965907;mircea_popescu;what's the longer term plan, gonna try and tackle wallets ? dbs ? stick to general cleaning bit by bit ? 1561095;1477966981;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu 1561096;1477967094;mod6;Well, short term, I think the current goal is to get through some of these vpatch submissions as we said we would. Hopefully get through a bunch by year end. (Jan 8th) However, the longer term goal is to work on Ideal bitcoin. 1561097;1477967122;mod6;I suspect the long term plan will come into better focus as we start to dig into some of these short term ones though. 1561098;1477967183;mod6;So right now, the import/dump priv key is being reviewed/reground/updated/tested. Next, I'd say we take a hard look at maybe the rawtx one, or maybe even some of the log cleanup ones? There were a whole bunch submitted by polar_beard. 1561099;1477967246;mod6;I would really like to get some of the low-hanging fruit taken care of in the wallet though. 1561100;1477967325;mod6;Another long term goal is to possibly get some more unit tests written for trb. Might not even need to be something in the perm source base, but something as an overlay to give us confidence when we make critical changes down the road. 1561101;1477967444;mod6;In all reality, now that we've gotten through the immediate build issues, now the real hard work begins. 1561102;1477967491;mod6;It'll be a challenge, but good for all in the end. 1561103;1477967522;trinque;a rawtx command would be *very* nice 1561104;1477967543;mod6;*nod* it's on the short list for sure. 1561105;1477967578;mod6;helping you (among many other end users), have a better/easier time with the wallet is a huge win. 1561106;1477967797;*;shinohai thinks it is nice to finally read a Bitcoin development conversation that doesn't include the term `Segwit` 1561107;1477967883;mod6;Getting a way from bdb will be a huge long term scalability effort. And we've had some very interesting ideas suggested for replacement. So I think that'll be a whole part of the Ideal Bitcoin probably. Right now, tickets 6, 7, and 8 are on a disconnected graph, but could be easily joined to the greater "Ideal" effort. 1561108;1477967912;mod6;I'm sure there will be some further re-alignment of tasks in coming weeks, etc. 1561109;1477967925;mod6;shinohai: =] 1561110;1477968006;shinohai;I'm so tired of seeing it when I troll for articles I'm thinking of writing a script that blocks it from my browser 1561111;1477968036;mod6;you've thrown some good punches while trolling lately. i've lul'd. 1561112;1477968095;shinohai;xD 1561113;1477968120;mod6;Anyway, overall, I'm super excited for the future of TRB. 1561114;1477968198;mod6;Many technical challenges lie ahead, but with the help of the Lords of tmsr~ and the community at large, we'll be successful. 1561115;1477968303;*;shinohai noda 1561116;1477968306;shinohai;*nods 1561117;1477968365;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-436841.txt 1561118;1477968406;mod6;!~bcstats 1561119;1477968407;jhvh1;mod6: Current Blocks: {"blockcount":436845} | Current Difficulty: 2.5361824664148953E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 437471 | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1561120;1477968906;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561085 << austria; spain 1561121;1477968906;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 00:11 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0C4BBD37524C4B2B77FF50D6C2FEA19BBA9E712F17831980B534158A22C9094 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168026500246808413594946371500907116935242852828383875540071338244632416255192144137200446307456676510422963756655778396233498197862652511153091147047408061362189507030023869131331706294089108430326902642905997078724979931491371066080376572272350746531415428594070084667426423370703132671668427480125023151189 divides RS 1561122;1477968937;BingoBoingo; acquisition anything < than anything << ty fxdx2 1561123;1477969042;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1561048 << Dicks also works. << You can't have a fucksaw without a sawzall 1561124;1477969042;a111;Logged on 2016-10-31 22:49 BingoBoingo: Or OSzall 1561125;1477969174;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560979 << how does this 'when' part work? martians drop 'care package' like usg drops ammo for isis ? 1561126;1477969174;a111;Logged on 2016-10-31 21:33 gabriel_laddel: When my life is less shit I'll be setting up a method by which in-WOT people can get it for free. You all, of course, will be able to sell the same product I am. 1561127;1477969384;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/tlnv2/?raw=true 1561128;1477969415;deedbot;accepted: 1 1561129;1477969448;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1561009 << and gavin gets 10x that, but somehow nobody 'has to clean up' his shit 1561130;1477969448;a111;Logged on 2016-10-31 21:45 gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560440 < 2.5k usd. Per month, until I bitched about it and it was knocked down to $600/mo - anyways, it isn't about the money, it's about him doing absolutely nothing with it and making a mess that someone will have to clean up. 1561131;1477969467;asciilifeform;just ignore it, costs 0 1561132;1477969473;BingoBoingo;Fuck wrong month in text 1561133;1477969542;BingoBoingo;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qcu15/?raw=true 1561134;1477969565;deedbot;accepted: 1 1561135;1477969603;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1561075 << aha, the chance that he comes up with iron that i would permit in my house, is ~0 1561136;1477969603;a111;Logged on 2016-10-31 23:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560997 << this is exactly how it goes, on one end of that : everyone has his own boxes / his own process for acquiring boxes. you can't buy them boxes and mail them over, not really, and if you could it'd be a specialized job and wouldn't work like this. and this isn't even the only angle, people are also variously allergic to divers proteins involved etc. 1561137;1477969630;asciilifeform;not even a stab at gabriel_laddel, but at current hardware drought. 1561138;1477969823;BingoBoingo;Anyways, reall Halloween truth. When Elliot was in that Spielberg movie ET, Elliot did not dress up the alien as a ghost. Elliot dressed the alien up as a klansman. 1561139;1477970038;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah raw tx / log fixing sounds pretty great actually. 1561140;1477970130;mircea_popescu;the thing with the db is, i keep thinking about it and i keep failing to convince myself a db is even needed in the first fucking place. truth be told blockchain is the textbook example of "you don't db this shit son, use the filesystem" 1561141;1477970203;mod6;Ah indeed, an 'interesting idea'. I'm excited to see where we can take that. 1561142;1477970206;mircea_popescu;just the benefit of NOT haviong a whole pile of code in there doing "db" is already immense ; but there's actually no gain from slowing down the disk seeks etc through extra wrappings 1561143;1477970223;mircea_popescu;mod6 iirc it keeps popping up w/e we discuss the bitcoin db monstrosity, which is about each 9 months. 1561144;1477970253;mod6;Agree, we've def. discussed a few times. 1561145;1477970429;mircea_popescu;also i have nfi what "db" we can trust. they're all shit 1561146;1477970444;mircea_popescu;(large codebase, many changes, many "developers" === shit, by definition, no way out of this) 1561147;1477970450;mod6;yeah, me either. they're garbage. 1561148;1477970480;mircea_popescu;and so what, we'll freeze a 2mn loc monstrosity ? you and what army ? 1561149;1477970501;mod6;yeah, no way. 1561150;1477970531;mod6;i think putting effort into: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_tickets.html#6 is the right idea. 1561151;1477970548;mircea_popescu;and then of course they'll discover this nice bug that's been there for 10 years and utterly ruins you. so you gotta update. except the only update available is made by florian "i eat shit for breakfast" weimer and well... it contains 3 extra holes to be burned in 2025 1561152;1477970606;mircea_popescu;mod6 note i'm not even discussing a special fs. that's a while down the road. for now, all that's needed is some serious profiling work, to see how we store the thing. prolly as block = file ? and just use a normal ext4 or w/e 1561153;1477970622;mircea_popescu;actually, improving logging to add some hooks for profiling in there may be a good idea. 1561154;1477970685;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb. 1561155;1477970705;mod6;sure, i think going block -> certainly fits into the same paradigm as eatblock/dumpblock. 1561156;1477970711;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1561157;1477970713;mod6;bah *block->file 1561158;1477970728;BingoBoingo; i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb. << FAT32 file size limit 1561159;1477970730;mircea_popescu;moreover, the disks / kernel are exactly optimized for this task. fuck around with ~mb ish item on disk 1561160;1477970733;trinque;BingoBoingo: aha 1561161;1477970745;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he could have made dirs ffs. 1561162;1477970748;BingoBoingo;But with blockindex.dat NO ONE COULD HAVE FORSEEN!!! 1561163;1477970765;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo he could have made dirs ffs. << IF he could he would not be Satoshi! 1561164;1477970792;mircea_popescu;block N is found in ///last 1/4 bytes.block 1561165;1477970815;mircea_popescu;or w/e, what was the limit, something stupid like 32k files ? 1561166;1477970943;mircea_popescu;and it's also immensely ssd friendly : you don't touch most blocks. say you keep i dunno, 12 or something like that, user-configured, in memory. this way, you only write them to disk once. 1561167;1477970950;mircea_popescu;the flash cells will love you. 1561168;1477970989;mircea_popescu;pop a fresh 8x TB ssd in a 1+0 raid array, ten years later they're within 95% of factory speeds. because never fragmented, because nothing ever deleted. 1561169;1477971000;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561145 << you can take ~this~ to the bank!1111 1561170;1477971000;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 03:20 mircea_popescu: also i have nfi what "db" we can trust. they're all shit 1561171;1477971000;BingoBoingo;To the Republic I pose New Header for the gray lady with the rabbit hat. "Qntra - [Fill-this-blank] Of The Most Serene Republic" 1561172;1477971041;mircea_popescu;what was it, Mainstream News Outlet ? 1561173;1477971057;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561154 << those are blox, mircea_popescu 1561174;1477971057;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 03:24 mircea_popescu: i have nfi how satoshi reasoned to arrive at the current nonsense of 2gb monoliths, but it was dumb. 1561175;1477971064;asciilifeform;0 to do with index db 1561176;1477971066;mircea_popescu;sorry ? 1561177;1477971078;asciilifeform;they ain't bdb turds 1561178;1477971090;mircea_popescu;they are still turds. i don't want to seek in a fucking 2gb file to find block N 1561179;1477971098;BingoBoingo; what was it, Mainstream News Outlet ? << "Propaganda Mouthpiece"?, Whatever it is this question now goes to the Peerage for suggestions. 1561180;1477971100;mircea_popescu;kernel / os / disks are not made for this 1561181;1477971102;asciilifeform;but sequential tapes of blox, see the blkcut thread. 1561182;1477971109;mircea_popescu;so ? 1561183;1477971109;asciilifeform;and yes they oughta be files. 1561184;1477971117;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1561185;1477971127;asciilifeform;issue becomes when you try and make tx also files. 1561186;1477971133;mircea_popescu;you do ? 1561187;1477971152;asciilifeform;the only 'humans' fs that is even remotely up to this task is reiser's. 1561188;1477971160;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> To the Republic I pose New Header for the gray lady with the rabbit hat. "Qntra - [Fill-this-blank] Of The Most Serene Republic" << Chronicle ? 1561189;1477971170;mircea_popescu;i dunno that you'd want to make txn files really. they're small, just load their block in memory. 1561190;1477971179;asciilifeform;yes but which block 1561191;1477971180;mircea_popescu;mod6 that's mroe the log neh ? 1561192;1477971188;trinque;Lulzgusher. 1561193;1477971193;asciilifeform;that's what the index db is ~for~ 1561194;1477971201;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah, fair point. 1561195;1477971203;asciilifeform;is to 'which block is tx X in' 1561196;1477971206;asciilifeform;aha 1561197;1477971229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. i suppose you save lookup tables huh. 1561198;1477971247;mircea_popescu;a clever design for which would be muchly useful. 1561199;1477971257;trinque;doing something non-idiotic with the set of utxos seems unavoidable if you want to use the thing 1561200;1477971258;asciilifeform;btw if shitoshi weren't dropped as a baby, 'which block' would be baked into tx id. 1561201;1477971266;asciilifeform;or similar. 1561202;1477971268;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1561203;1477971277;mircea_popescu;reverse ptr for the love of fuck. it's FOUR BYTES OMFG 1561204;1477971289;asciilifeform;no shortage of these. 1561205;1477971293;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1561206;1477971337;asciilifeform;and if you cannot do 'which block' because impatient and gotta have txid IMMEDIATELY, then 'top block at time of baking' at least 1561207;1477971339;mircea_popescu;definitely trb fork will have a sane tx-to-block coding scheme 1561208;1477971357;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, the txid as used in mempool and the txid as used in block is not required to match. 1561209;1477971390;mircea_popescu;they're entirely separate concepts, mashed together because idiots think that the way the world appears to them in the moment is the way the world is. 1561210;1477971441;asciilifeform;every time i open a notebook and start in these, i barf upon realizing that there is more of these than of sane design decisions. 1561211;1477971444;mircea_popescu;the three girls presently in the room have three girls names, but if i have them fuck each other and film the proceedings the filename will be something with a time in it. apparently this doesn't make the walls collapse on my head. 1561212;1477971479;mircea_popescu;because lo and behold, the mempool of their presence and the blockchain of their past deeds are not the same exact fucking item. 1561213;1477971560;asciilifeform;mempool is a can of worms that deserves own thread 1561214;1477971593;mircea_popescu;sadly. the main thing that holds back sanevelopment on trb is the fact that whatever you want to discuss everyone starts muttering curses and mashing kbd about the 10bn other things connected. 1561215;1477971609;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that it even belongs in same proggy 1561216;1477971635;trinque;for that matter neither the "utxos and other lookups" 1561217;1477971639;mircea_popescu;it's clear that it needs a message queue / interface with the proggy, but that's about all that's clear. 1561218;1477971691;asciilifeform;trinque: lookups become fairly straightforward matter if sane db 1561219;1477971710;mircea_popescu;db is overkill for this. all you want is 3 things. 1561220;1477971718;asciilifeform;query against blocks, not some running process 1561221;1477971726;mircea_popescu;^ 1561222;1477971734;trinque;aha same page. 1561223;1477971762;asciilifeform;(at no point do i give a fuck what is in mempool, unless i put it there) 1561224;1477971775;mircea_popescu;not unless you're mining, which doesn't belong mashed in here. 1561225;1477971784;asciilifeform;aha 1561226;1477971803;asciilifeform;or engaging in propagation 'astronomy' 1561227;1477971843;trinque;blockhuckerd seems almost approachable 1561228;1477971851;trinque;as compared to bitcoind 1561229;1477971867;mircea_popescu;very much so. also happens to be the correct approach. 1561230;1477971998;asciilifeform;see the obligatory surgeon's knife thread, 1561231;1477972012;asciilifeform;this thing is long overdue for the cut. 1561232;1477972054;trinque;I will be interesting to hear what ben_vulpes has to say about this, given recent block-parsing adventures 1561233;1477972067;trinque;*interested 1561234;1477972082;asciilifeform;and the glomming of otherwise separate concerns is one of the things that makes reading trb a reliable headache. 1561235;1477972210;mircea_popescu;the only correct way to do this is to make a binary tree out of txids and save that somehow isn't it 1561236;1477972470;mircea_popescu;how about this scheme : you do /bitcoin/blockid/aaaa/bbbb/cccc/dddd/ a total of 16 levels, off the blockid, wherein at the end a block.dat 1mb file is found. you also do /bitcoin/txid/aaaa/bbbb/ etc also 16 levels, the last of which you SIMLINK to the correct block.dat dir 1561237;1477972488;mircea_popescu;whenever you process a new block, you add the needed simlinks in /txid/etc 1561238;1477972552;mircea_popescu;(speaking of which : maxsimlinks used to be hardcoded to 40 via param.h for reasons. dunno if still the case) 1561239;1477972568;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well yes, this'd the 'on top of human fs' scheme suggested in earlier threads 1561240;1477972585;mircea_popescu;works on ext2! 1561241;1477972586;asciilifeform;it'll sorta work if you're on reiserfs 1561242;1477972623;asciilifeform;'works' consists of two things, 'correct' and 'keeps time' 1561243;1477972640;mircea_popescu;what time ? a txid doesn't change what block it's in does it ? 1561244;1477972645;asciilifeform;nono 1561245;1477972657;asciilifeform;keeps up with real time. 1561246;1477972673;asciilifeform;as, e.g., pogo with mechanical hdd does not. 1561247;1477972689;mircea_popescu;this'd be a ssds in raid thing. 1561248;1477972698;asciilifeform;even then 1561249;1477972705;mircea_popescu;symlinking is that slow ? 1561250;1477972715;asciilifeform;pile up layers, with poor impedance match, and you get 'a clim' 1561251;1477972716;mircea_popescu;a block only comes in every x minutes, only has a hundred or so txn if that. 1561252;1477972723;mircea_popescu;which layers are we piling ? 1561253;1477972735;asciilifeform;or ever wonder why winblows is slow? this'd be why. 1561254;1477972750;mircea_popescu;the one concern is that 5mn simlinks in you'll discover that "oops, we decided X number of simlinks should be enough for everyone fuck you" 1561255;1477972760;asciilifeform;hence reiser. 1561256;1477972776;mircea_popescu;hence looking into what ext2 does if you do a lot of simlinks. not like this can't be dry run with bogodata. 1561257;1477972982;mircea_popescu;lol the newman quote found its way into g_l's arsstep thingee 1561258;1477974433;mircea_popescu;and in other slits, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6502dca3383d81e3013c8f519a8a473b/tumblr_n60rfysGPg1rlfy18o1_1280.jpg 1561259;1477974579;asciilifeform;lel that one is fit only for meat imho 1561260;1477974834;mircea_popescu;there's two ? 1561261;1477974857;mircea_popescu;and yeah, the meat goes in the slit. 1561262;1477974954;asciilifeform;she can be a first class donkey, in sunny afghan 1561263;1477974970;mircea_popescu;hey, we didn't all go to the same kindergarten! 1561264;1477975015;asciilifeform;'tis a good thing that not everyone goes to same kindergarten.. 1561265;1477975037;mircea_popescu;imagine if they did. 1561266;1477975592;mircea_popescu;!~later tell gabriel_laddel so the thing is - you have to rewrite this. there's a lot of very powerful ideas struggling in the mire of very poor (and often rushed) writing. there's no way out, i can't rewrite it for you. while it's starting to emerge into sense it's not yet at the level of development where it can be productively engaged. take but one simple example : "$computation against $uri validate videos were watched". 1561267;1477975592;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1561268;1477975592;mircea_popescu;the concept you're describing is sound, the example you use is utterly idiotic. for one thing "validating" that a video was watched is necessarily a void concept ; for another who even fucking cares if they did. in the path between a and b you've introduced a "simplifying detour" of the format a->moon, moon->b, which is pluriously dysfunctional - there's not even any reason to believe moon exists in any space where a and b ca 1561269;1477975593;mircea_popescu;n exist. there's a lot of similarly broken stuff in there, and then there's strange notions i can't readily evaluate. it is also much too long, yet it evidently is too sparsely written in most nodes. do yourself & teh world a favour and rewrite this thing. 1561270;1477975865;BingoBoingo;Oh, how the deedbutt lags 1561271;1477975996;mircea_popescu;certainly the discussion of gossipd needs some updating. 1561272;1477976326;mircea_popescu;o check it out, the supply of internet boat has made it to the french malvines! 1561273;1477976425;BingoBoingo;Miracle of Mudhuts! 1561274;1477976494;davout;the french malwin 1561275;1477976519;BingoBoingo;Lafond does TV http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5559 1561276;1477976599;BingoBoingo;"The insertion of any Howardian character in the sissy story line of passive collective sacrifice that my eyes were so pornographically subjected to last night would utterly ruin the story. Watch this episode and image Conan or Bran Mak Morn or Solomon Kane in Rick’s biblical place and the story of a tormented, kneeling father reeling in mortal helplessness evaporates." 1561277;1477976658;BingoBoingo;"Such apocalypse fiction is in effect the yearning of the inauthentic sissy soul of civilized man that his baby-crib existence not be imperiled by a call to masculine action." 1561278;1477976947;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/qntra-s-qntr-october-2016-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2016 Report 1561279;1477977332;BingoBoingo;^ Link to deeded statement coming when deedbutt poops 1561280;1477979211;mircea_popescu;no rush 1561281;1477981148;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-436853.txt 1561282;1477994673;jurov;mod6: on it 1561283;1477995919;trinque;BingoBoingo: the txn is pooped once per hour; it's up to bitcoin how long it takes to confirm. 1561284;1478005533;BingoBoingo;trinque: No probs 1561285;1478005860;mircea_popescu;lol bb is all excited :D 1561286;1478006797;BingoBoingo;Indeedbutt, very excitement. 1561287;1478006822;BingoBoingo;Because OMG RippleFail to Qntra 1561288;1478006986;shinohai;Since former AOL exec is in charge of Ripple now, how long until we hear "You got Fail!" 1561289;1478007111;mircea_popescu;lmao 1561290;1478007120;BingoBoingo;There's deeper lulz. Dude's the Peanutbutter memo guy 1561291;1478007128;mircea_popescu;srsly, the experience of carly "i sunk hp hear me roar" fiorina isn't enough ? 1561292;1478007915;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/yahoo-peanut-butter-guy-fails-his-way-to-ripple-ceo-job/ << Qntra - Yahoo Peanut Butter Guy Fails His Way To Ripple CEO Job 1561293;1478010287;mod6;jurov: thanks. haven't seen a bounce or anything on my side... 1561294;1478011099;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/U8w19 << meanwhile, in the circus 1561295;1478012261;mircea_popescu;lol mkay 1561296;1478012336;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/ << OMG a meta-morpho-change-asis 1561297;1478012376;BingoBoingo;In my estimation this design change improves mobile usability by a grave 30%, at least 1561298;1478012386;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whatever you did, is invisible ? 1561299;1478012456;BingoBoingo;Very visible, you can even say a "top" level change 1561300;1478012570;BingoBoingo;Still more mobile friendliness added, at least another 27% 1561301;1478012578;trinque;noticed that, nice 1561302;1478012594;trinque;also tiling window manager friendliness 1561303;1478012603;mircea_popescu;dude reading usg-tard "business" idiots trying to be you know, radical and whatnot is fucking painful. 1561304;1478012637;BingoBoingo;trinque: Yeah, a line-wrapping hazard has been reduced to many platform benefit 1561305;1478012643;mircea_popescu;there's that image of an ape named ballmer that just won't go away already, they're so lame and inept. 1561306;1478012685;trinque;See, Qntra totally has modern CSS! << lulz from stylesheet 1561307;1478012688;trinque;:D 1561308;1478012818;asciilifeform;http://prolaag.com << in other hilarities 1561309;1478012830;asciilifeform;'Provably Secure Crypto' !1111111111111111 1561310;1478012862;asciilifeform;'As of 2016, the independently-funded company is staffed by a team of seven, all of whom joined with a security background, with the majority of that experience coming from the US Dept. of Defense.' << i'ma die of lulz nao 1561311;1478012894;BingoBoingo; See, Qntra totally has modern CSS! << lulz from stylesheet That's been there most of Qntra history by nao 1561312;1478012937;mircea_popescu;and in other nightlife news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/2750aac3dd38819ad525d5f0a9b5490c/tumblr_nasddvRto81qg7sdjo1_1280.jpg 1561313;1478013523;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/riry4 << qntra fodder ? 1561314;1478013598;BingoBoingo;Sure, now's as good a time as any. I was going to save rickets for a very Qntra X-mas story, but a holiday is a holiday. 1561315;1478014256;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561303 << orlol described the process well, imho, imaginarily 'posh country-set parasites 'boosting revenue' by sacking low-rent 'we MADE A HOME HERE!11111' desk parasites, and simultaneously also the expensive r&d folk who 'only contribute to costs' 1561316;1478014256;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 15:03 mircea_popescu: dude reading usg-tard "business" idiots trying to be you know, radical and whatnot is fucking painful. 1561317;1478014286;asciilifeform;eventually thing implodes, 'genius' ceo moves to next sinking ship.. 1561318;1478014918;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: so r/btc has taken to plagarizing qntra and the logs 1561319;1478015487;jurov;mod6: mailinglist fixed, emails go through a ssh pipe which got clogged 1561320;1478015512;jurov;and no need to resend anything 1561321;1478015529;mod6;ahh, nice! 1561322;1478015574;mod6;Yup, I see it in there now. Thanks for the quick response/fix jurov. 1561323;1478017243;asciilifeform;soooo somebody linked this turd, https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/575 , and i read the paper to try an' see how the fuck a gizmo that requires you to send bitcoin to folx you don't know can be 'trust-free'. took exactly 30 seconds to read to the point where it relies on 'timelocked' transactions. 1561324;1478017246;asciilifeform;which do not exist in bitcoin. 1561325;1478017271;mircea_popescu;heh 1561326;1478017278;asciilifeform;and on multisig crapola. 1561327;1478017286;asciilifeform;bbbbut 'bitcoin compatible!1111' 1561328;1478017506;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561308 << oh man.. their FAQ. 1561329;1478017506;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 15:06 asciilifeform: http://prolaag.com << in other hilarities 1561330;1478017510;trinque;"Our device connects separate networks and will pass any traffic between them." 1561331;1478017522;trinque;you keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means. 1561332;1478017578;mircea_popescu;it used to connect separate networks... but then it took an arrow to the knee 1561333;1478018026;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: On what matter? 1561334;1478020281;shinohai;https://twitter.com/alexandraerin <<< this thing blocked me on twitter for asking if it went as Kim Dotcom for Halloween 1561335;1478020373;BingoBoingo;LOL, win shinohai 1561336;1478020527;phf;Hagerstown, how appropriate 1561337;1478020625;BingoBoingo;I think you misspelled hashbrowns 1561338;1478021672;mircea_popescu;isn't that where they make faatten dasz ? 1561339;1478021948;shinohai;It's blog is a treasure trove of lulz as well: http://www.alexandraerin.com/care-and-feeding/ "If I exert myself too hard, I pay for it later." 1561340;1478021950;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: that john blocke fellow copied a bunch of log discussions and qntra articles then made "his own propagandas", whereas it's just plagarized Qntra material repurposed for r/btc consumption. 1561341;1478021973;thestringpuller;we were talking about hard fork war tactics inb4 it was cool 1561342;1478022024;mircea_popescu;and if it asserts itself too hard it gets the hose again. 1561343;1478022077;mircea_popescu;"john blocke", seriously ? 1561344;1478022098;mircea_popescu;undergrads doing "social" crap in shitty colleges truly trying too hard. 1561345;1478022180;thestringpuller;i would blame the parents for telling all the kids "college is how you get a good jerb!" 1561346;1478022222;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Who? 1561347;1478022340;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/John_Blocke 1561348;1478022582;ben_vulpes;> Connecting two air-gapped networks together, over the Internet, without compromising their security. 1561349;1478022586;ben_vulpes;haw haw haw 1561350;1478022588;ben_vulpes;words 1561351;1478022595;ben_vulpes;what do they even 1561352;1478022611;mircea_popescu;he's evidently put in just the tip lots of times! 1561353;1478022646;phf;airgap is sort of like cloud, since we know that cloud is 90% air, then connecting over the cloud is effectively airgapping 1561354;1478022668;ben_vulpes;ho ouch 1561355;1478022702;mircea_popescu;rectum is also ~80% gas, so connection over butt is almost as good too. 1561356;1478022759;ben_vulpes;"when you kiss another human being, you make a long meat tube with a butthole at each end" 1561357;1478022799;mircea_popescu;except if she's been treating an anal tear, in which case her rectum is stopped by a very disturbing, bio-like gelatinous mass. sort-of like a buttctopus. 1561358;1478022812;davout;ben_vulpes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Eat_with_Your_Butt 1561359;1478022856;mircea_popescu;pro tip : half warm water half white wine 1-2 pint enema best thing for loosening up noobie / us middle class white chick / general population nonslut. 1561360;1478022862;mircea_popescu;time of onset ~4 minutes. 1561361;1478022882;ben_vulpes;hi davout! 1561362;1478022899;davout;good evening ! 1561363;1478022909;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: this assperiment has been on my todo list since the last time you brought it up 1561364;1478022918;ben_vulpes;davout: how are the isles? 1561365;1478022931;mircea_popescu;i can only shudder in horror at the length of your buttexperimentalist. 1561366;1478023010;ben_vulpes;it definitely accretes faster than i can tear items off 1561367;1478023025;davout;ben_vulpes: life's good, definitely not complaining 1561368;1478023035;mircea_popescu;maybe it's the hangouts you hang out in. 1561369;1478023036;ben_vulpes;davout: "but..." 1561370;1478023049;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he's not jewish, he's just french. 1561371;1478023055;ben_vulpes;:D 1561372;1478023070;davout;ben_vulpes: but nothing! 1561373;1478023081;mircea_popescu;this is butt noting! 1561374;1478023187;ben_vulpes;in other animalia: http://i.imgur.com/kDAGhSA.jpg 1561375;1478023279;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/ingsoc-reintroduces-rickets-to-britain/ << Qntra - Ingsoc Reintroduces Rickets To Britain 1561376;1478025530;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/chinese-fiatbitcoin-interface-btcc-opening-us-dollar-market-and-remaining-closed-to-us/ << Qntra - Chinese fiat/Bitcoin Interface BTCC Opening US dollar Market And Remaining Closed To US 1561377;1478027540;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cv3WH66W8AAWDqq-300x169.jpg 1561378;1478028206;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561340 << none of the linked crud has any resemblance to the l0gz, or qntra, as far as i can tell 1561379;1478028206;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 17:39 thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that john blocke fellow copied a bunch of log discussions and qntra articles then made "his own propagandas", whereas it's just plagarized Qntra material repurposed for r/btc consumption. 1561380;1478028219;asciilifeform;looks more like generic reddit crapolade 1561381;1478028304;BingoBoingo;SImilarly not seeing it. Perhaps thestringpuller can blog poast. 1561382;1478028333;BingoBoingo;also thestringpuller if thestring_lab is yours, please rename it because it is cancer that defeats tab autocomplete. 1561383;1478028419;ben_vulpes;man the littoral combat ships JUST KEEP BREAKING 1561384;1478028467;ben_vulpes;most recently, the montgomery bumped a lock wall got herself an 18" long crack 1561385;1478028493;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: best battleship 1561386;1478028497;asciilifeform;churns inventory ! 1561387;1478028900;BingoBoingo;"General Motors" Strategy, but for BOATS!!! 1561388;1478029079;shinohai;littoraly garbage 1561389;1478029083;asciilifeform;https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2016/11/01/the-future-aint-what-it-used-to-be << in related lulz. 1561390;1478029321;mircea_popescu;the littering comboship. leaves parts of itself all over the shore 1561391;1478029482;asciilifeform;' They had no way of knowing the oil crisis would come, just as they had no way of knowing you’d need to arrive 3 hours early to the airport because of imbecile US foreign policy hubris. Remember you didn’t even need a photo ID to get on a plane until 1999 or so; you could go to the airport with a bundle of cash and fly anywhere you wanted to; just like in 1967. In a later scene in the video, pals from Philippines and Paris show 1561392;1478029483;asciilifeform;up for a house party, because, again, supersonic (maybe hypersonic) flight is super cheap in the 1967 future.' 1561393;1478029522;mircea_popescu;heh 1561394;1478029560;mircea_popescu;yes, the world before america became great was truly a great place. 1561395;1478029575;mircea_popescu;let's make america dead again plox. 1561396;1478029711;asciilifeform;when exactly was this 'great' 1561397;1478029719;asciilifeform;afaik it was only ever in those vhs tapes. 1561398;1478029921;BingoBoingo;Those extra couple hundred lines of resolution in DVD really ruined things, huh 1561399;1478030036;asciilifeform;'there were these old guys who were there in the glory days. Usually they were uneducated men; working class machinist types of guys who cut their teeth in the Navy. They were capable of building just about anything; these guys were really incredible artists. Not only are these guys dying off without passing on their knowledge to new generations, nobody cares! When I was there, there was this guy Noel Kellog. I could ask Noel to buil 1561400;1478030036;asciilifeform;d me a cryochamber with electrodes and X-ray windows in it for keeping a torr of helium in a UHV system, and he’d go away and build the freaking thing from a piece of aluminum, he’d come to me a few days later, and it would work. There is no guy like that now. Now I have to go through a CAD designer, who will send it to a CAM shop, and the thing will come back with something missing, like no wires to hook up to the electrodes. In 1561401;1478030037;asciilifeform;stead of employing one guy for a few days, the budget will get chopped up to a half dozen people, it will take months instead of days, and I won’t get what I want anyway. Sure, they can build things now that they couldn’t have before, but there is something missing in the food chain: the guy who can screw around in the machine shop and build something that works from a pencil sketch. There are guys who want to do that, who are ca 1561402;1478030042;asciilifeform;pable of it, but that sort of career path isn’t available to them any more.' 1561403;1478030045;asciilifeform;i could've sworn we did the thread... 1561404;1478030273;BingoBoingo;INFLATION!!! 1561405;1478030331;phf;"pencil sketch"? 1561406;1478030958;phf;i know an astrophysicist who does botany for a hobby, he's from soviet union though.. 1561407;1478031591;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/soy-and-corn-yields-massive-prices-depressed-further/ << Qntra - Soy And Corn Yields Massive, Prices Depressed Further 1561408;1478031593;BingoBoingo;^ Botany 1561409;1478032106;asciilifeform;'Consider this: my mom went to an ordinary catholic high school. When she graduated, she knew Latin, French and Anglo-Saxon, as well as integral calculus. Apparently, them nuns who taught her knew something which people have now forgotten about teaching methodology. For what it is worth, she didn’t do much homework either, and her school was quite ordinary. And don’t try to tell me that learning these things are somehow irrelevan 1561410;1478032106;asciilifeform;t: they’re not. I feel like someone robbed me of my birthright, as should anyone else who speaks english but never read the Book of Exeter. I’d tell you to go ask the nuns how they did that, but your lot bought them vibrators and taught them to be lesbians, so there aren’t any left to talk to.' 1561411;1478032112;trinque;the guys exist, but the current structure of "wealth" precludes there being a healthy market for their products. 1561412;1478032154;*;trinque worked for ex-nasa roboticist 1561413;1478032161;trinque;his product? shitty carving CNC 1561414;1478032223;trinque;guy was capable of far more, but who's going to buy? 1561415;1478032343;trinque;ahaha taught them to be lesbians wtf? 1561416;1478032493;trinque;anyhow why's a bugatti veyron exist but a million dollar computer does not 1561417;1478032495;trinque;same reason 1561418;1478032582;trinque;perhaps this is why I hear asciilifeform and phf sound a bit wistful for alt-sov future; at least time to time they horked up a weirdo ekranoplan 1561419;1478033442;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1083580 << what is the source of this? 1561420;1478033442;a111;Logged on 2015-04-02 02:24 asciilifeform: this is 'the hole through which the night walks in', to borrow a mircea_popescuism 1561421;1478033693;phf;!~google hole through which the night site:trilema.com 1561422;1478033694;jhvh1;phf: No matches found. 1561423;1478033712;phf;lies 1561424;1478033729;trinque;phf: thought that was teh logz 1561425;1478033769;phf;ooh 1561426;1478033800;phf;!~google fa65e4c5ad0e5f7a94337910847bd10f7af10c74 1561427;1478033802;jhvh1;phf: PatchRequirements - Semantic Web Standards - W3C: ; Re: encouraging good use of p2p from Sandro Hawke on 2005-06 ...: ; A Pen by Artem Bilodid - CodePen: 1561428;1478033843;phf;... 1561429;1478033844;ben_vulpes;yes but i wish to know the proverb of "proverbial" proverbialismo 1561430;1478033907;trinque;!#s hole night 1561431;1478033907;a111;20 results for "hole night", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hole%20night 1561432;1478033922;trinque;lol first line is alf referencing mp 1561433;1478034061;phf;http://trilema.com/2016/ideological-history-of-the-republic/ and http://trilema.com/2013/the-dilemma-of-fake-money/ both match on real google 1561434;1478034195;asciilifeform;trinque: humour me -- why does bugati exist while bugati-comp - not ..? 1561435;1478034252;trinque;bugatti is just an expensive ad for Volkswagen group 1561436;1478034278;asciilifeform;dun work so well, considering that i had nfi that they are connected until now 1561437;1478034345;trinque;there's another scamatronic component, where they are often being rented - say by a rapper - from an agency meant to make him appear rich 1561438;1478034382;trinque;in both cases the flow of money involves mass consumers 1561439;1478034511;phf;some kid pulls up with chrome dipped bugatti rims now i'm thinking it's three in the am i'm walking he in a bm drop top 3 and don't even see me but you gonna believe he saw my gun in 3-D 1561440;1478034520;asciilifeform;while the, e.g., cray1, or smbx lispm, could not be consumerized, and is gone. 1561441;1478034526;asciilifeform;this is elementary, and we had the thread. 1561442;1478034536;asciilifeform;you cannot have handmade ic and compete with anything whatsoever. 1561443;1478034584;asciilifeform;it is an absurdity, rather like trying to make a movie to show to just 1 rich d00d. 1561444;1478034590;trinque;eh 1561445;1478034599;trinque;my point was that you have to have a different distribution of wealth 1561446;1478034606;trinque;not to mention a different kind of culture among the wealthy 1561447;1478034616;asciilifeform;there was a mircea_popescu thread re this 1561448;1478034617;trinque;bespoke, massively expensive items, have existed 1561449;1478034624;asciilifeform;pre-industry. 1561450;1478034641;asciilifeform;they also exist today: the littoral combat shit^Hp 1561451;1478034647;asciilifeform;impressed ? 1561452;1478034660;trinque;some guy also launched a Saturn V once 1561453;1478034667;trinque;still impressed with that 1561454;1478034677;trinque;they shot him, but you get the idea 1561455;1478034760;asciilifeform;su incidentally had a considerably larger item, which is not famous where trinque lives, because it exploded on the launch pad (killing the bulk of the su space command at the time) 1561456;1478034765;asciilifeform;could have easily gone the other way. 1561457;1478034775;trinque;I know of it 1561458;1478034783;trinque;not the name, but it was a mammoth rocket 1561459;1478034793;trinque;n1 ? 1561460;1478034829;asciilifeform;aha 1561461;1478034864;asciilifeform;~2000 tonnes ! 1561462;1478034897;asciilifeform;or rather, 3000... 1561463;1478034962;asciilifeform;and some folks believe in accidents that are so convenient for enemy... i do not. 1561464;1478035331;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: I'll change it the next time i'm in the lab with a pen and a pad. 1561465;1478035787;asciilifeform;trinque: consider: a 'saturn' and the maersk cargo fleet cost similarly. but they are unlike: 'saturn' is a cult/religious object (in the sense where nobody seriously attempts to calculate its roi) , rather more like the great pyramids. 1561466;1478035822;asciilifeform;modern culture has different cult objects: e.g., massive pile of well-nurtured 'fupas'. 1561467;1478035859;asciilifeform;british empire has yet other cult objects: massive (and riotously -ev) railroads in india, say. 1561468;1478035865;asciilifeform;*had yet other 1561469;1478035973;asciilifeform;the 15th c. china of zheng he, had yet other cult object, the mega-fleet (with wooden sailing ships quite comparable in size to today's maersk monsters! ) 1561470;1478035983;asciilifeform;cult switched - ships, were burned. 1561471;1478036008;asciilifeform;if they had been +ev - would have stuck around, like maersk liners stick around, but would also be unremarkable, like the liners. 1561472;1478036087;asciilifeform;imho this is not escapable: 1561473;1478036106;asciilifeform;you cannot fix culture having shit-values (i.e. defective cult aims) via commercial means. 1561474;1478036140;trinque;aha 1561475;1478036144;asciilifeform;can try to fix it, possibly, mircea_popescu-style, by breeding a wholly different crop of people, but this takes millenia, and nobody alive here and now will live to see the smallest lick of it. 1561476;1478036288;phf;also was soviet strategy, hence "propaganda" which ignoring retarded western stereotypes was primarily not about "north korea best korea!", but about teaching what "soviet man of future" was supposed and wasn't supposed to do. "soviet man of future cooperates in prisoners dilemma!" 1561477;1478036322;asciilifeform;to answer the q in the earlier thread, su was a superior culture (vs the anglos, of any time after isambard brunel died) simply because their cult was culturally superior in effect. su pharaoh orders n1 rocket for his pyramidal glorification. anglo pharaoh orders 1,000,000,001 fupas to be fattened. 1561478;1478036454;asciilifeform;doug hofstadter (english! speaker! incidentally) noted, correctly, that (approx.) 'souls, whether or not they literally exist, come in different sizes.' 1561479;1478036986;asciilifeform;phf: bbbbbbbbut imported JEANS!!1111 1561480;1478037001;asciilifeform;pissed away the rockets, but GOT JEANS! and WHOREZ! 1561481;1478037027;asciilifeform;people would rather be cockroaches than people, and as soon as anybody bothered to ~ask~ them - it was over. 1561482;1478037036;phf;it was all about hubba bubba and bazooka 1561483;1478037393;jurov;please, is it really different from best korea? what are 3000ton rockets for when there's periodic famine and general inability to produce basic necessities? 1561484;1478037450;phf;jurov: when was there "periodic famine" and inability to produce ~basic necessities~? 1561485;1478037469;jurov;when there was soviet union 1561486;1478037475;mircea_popescu;phf in the 80s 1561487;1478037484;mircea_popescu;ie during his formative years. 1561488;1478037508;mircea_popescu;also in the 50s, of course, but then again that was mutually shared with the french, the germans, and all other idiots who bombed their shit. 1561489;1478037527;jurov;and in 60s. and 70s. 1561490;1478037553;phf;well, that was detail rich 1561491;1478037558;jurov;except by then they could exchange oil for grain 1561492;1478037563;phf;also don't forget the 40s 1561493;1478037585;mircea_popescu;nah, the 60s worked. arguably su was above teh west for that brief period. 1561494;1478037590;asciilifeform;don't ask gandhi about brit empire, or jurov - about su 1561495;1478037614;jurov;well, am i factually incorrector something? 1561496;1478037630;mircea_popescu;jurov yea, if you think the soviets had it rough in the 60s you are factually incorrect. 1561497;1478037633;asciilifeform;jurov: quite: i was exquisitely well-fed in 80s. 1561498;1478037642;asciilifeform;0 famine. 1561499;1478037662;asciilifeform;i still dream today, of what i ate then. 1561500;1478037669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh that's a laughable notion. ru was starving even more than ro by 1985. 1561501;1478037679;asciilifeform;i have nfi which ru mircea_popescu is thinking of. 1561502;1478037683;phf;jurov: i was actually curious what kind of "famine" you were referring too. usually they can be named by name, like the stalin and Ukrainians. 80s had shortages, but people weren't starving. 1561503;1478037684;asciilifeform;must be on parallel planet. 1561504;1478037697;asciilifeform;su had famine at the same time as usa: '30s. 1561505;1478037766;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one where ro minister of defense was like "lolz, what, you think i ran off to moscow ? these idiots have it worse than we do." 1561506;1478037781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu saw schoolgirls sucking cocks in exchange for meat, and i believe it, but i saw no such thing where i was. 1561507;1478037794;mircea_popescu;phf no, they just didn't have fish at the fish shop ; the meat they didn't have at the meat shop. 1561508;1478037808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in that sense the ukraine's been nothing but a famine. 1561509;1478037849;asciilifeform;somehow i had both meat and fish growing up, in what is now urk no less, and did not even have mega-party-functionaries for parents, or even professors like mircea_popescu , but ordinary doctors etc. 1561510;1478037852;jurov;phf yes, they eventually learned to produce or trade grain. but anything beyond that was never a certainty 1561511;1478037856;mircea_popescu;anyway. yes, ru chicks would suck cock for tp, jeans, you name it. early 1990s, too. 1561512;1478037858;BingoBoingo;I hope everyone likes beans... 1561513;1478037868;asciilifeform;noooow i wasn't there for the magical 90s. 1561514;1478037872;asciilifeform;then! yes. 1561515;1478037872;mircea_popescu;jurov you recall that satellite bidniss ? 1561516;1478037900;jurov;which? 1561517;1478037929;asciilifeform;did jurov have famine in '80s czehoslovakia ? 1561518;1478037934;mircea_popescu;you know, when they shot a dog in a bushel of wheat into space. 1561519;1478037969;asciilifeform;wheat ? 1561520;1478037983;mircea_popescu;i'm ironizing him. 1561521;1478037988;asciilifeform;aaaah 1561522;1478037997;asciilifeform;dun forget to turn off the bear, and feed the reactor with moar vodka 1561523;1478038001;jurov;asciilifeform: actually i said nothing about 80s, mircea did. but non-food production woes were a thing 1561524;1478038019;mircea_popescu;actually consumer goods were never a priority. 1561525;1478038039;asciilifeform;that was one of the few things su got ~right~. 1561526;1478038075;asciilifeform;'consumer' deserves 1 'consumer good', a stick, to be beaten with, so that he might become something more than consumer, and possibly... produce even. 1561527;1478038129;mircea_popescu;it's a great theory that failed spectacularly in the field. 1561528;1478038157;mircea_popescu;all the su stick produced was a horde of anal children. almost as if humans are all on the same mind, and even if you keep the borders locked and the sticks sticking, idiot ru citizen will mirror idiot eu citizen nevertheless 1561529;1478038161;mircea_popescu;like via plague. 1561530;1478038168;asciilifeform;meanwhile the 'successful' folk also... failed in the field 1561531;1478038173;asciilifeform;so perhaps theory was red herring. 1561532;1478038176;mircea_popescu;this is not an excuse. 1561533;1478038297;asciilifeform;incidentally su had ~1 usable generation, the folx who went through the war. 1561534;1478038300;asciilifeform;they were - iron. 1561535;1478038318;asciilifeform;and while they were at the helm (everybody, from janitor to rocket constructor) the anglo shits quaked in their boots. 1561536;1478038338;asciilifeform;then, they died, what remained, turned to the neurotypical baseline human turd mass, yes. 1561537;1478038391;mircea_popescu;the globalists/socialists/what have you got this much right, that it's ~meaningless to discuss "nations", seeing how people are universally the same pressed shitboard. 1561538;1478038414;mircea_popescu;can't distinguish frenchman, german, russian, etc. even in widely variant environment they build the same "plox to cuckold me" mentality. 1561539;1478038415;asciilifeform;particular groups of people, at particular times - quite temporarily - rise above the shitboard. 1561540;1478038417;asciilifeform;then they die. 1561541;1478038437;mircea_popescu;the ~only reason the concept of nation was politically relevant was because of periodicity of (pre-technological, pre-industrial) war. 1561542;1478038450;mircea_popescu;once that went away, the notion of nation lost any basis. 1561543;1478038476;asciilifeform;when i went to the recoleta graveyard in mircea_popesculandia , i could not shake the thought that any single one of the folks buried there, when alive, was worth more than all of current-day usa. 1561544;1478038521;asciilifeform;and these weren't even mega-rocket-constructors, but engineers/jurists/architects/fencing instructors/etc in distant and forgotten and since-demolished orcland. 1561545;1478038523;mircea_popescu;i dunno, various moderns interred there as well. 1561546;1478038537;asciilifeform;these had mercifully brief bio-blurbs on the tombs 1561547;1478038545;mircea_popescu;tru 1561548;1478038559;asciilifeform;hence the impression i walked out with. 1561549;1478039011;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561511 << incidentally i was in a '5-star' hotel in usa and they had '1-ply' tp. so perhaps saying no to 3000 ton rockets, doesn't magically create tp-for-everybody. 1561550;1478039011;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 22:04 mircea_popescu: anyway. yes, ru chicks would suck cock for tp, jeans, you name it. early 1990s, too. 1561551;1478039056;mircea_popescu;it creates tp for everybody for a decade or two. 1561552;1478039072;mircea_popescu;moving over to china made the 90s, which were "best ever" and what trump wants to make again. 1561553;1478039087;asciilifeform;'consumer' worx great while he has somebody to eat. 1561554;1478039105;asciilifeform;somebody who was productive from entirely non-consumertronic motivations. 1561555;1478039116;asciilifeform;1990s american tp was powered by digesting remains of su. 1561556;1478039122;mircea_popescu;modern democracy, like previous democracies, reduce to this, yes. "life is great while burning the furniture for heat - free heat!" 1561557;1478039133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, was powered by selling self to china. 1561558;1478039151;mircea_popescu;somehow they bought into the delusion that usd is money. and the chinese bought them with sweat. which turns out - is money. 1561559;1478039155;asciilifeform;eh good chunk of usa was ~literally~ powered by sov pu 1561560;1478039178;mircea_popescu;also, the soviets were not productive ; not ever. 1561561;1478039184;mircea_popescu;you're thinking of the japanese, mebbe ? 1561562;1478039188;asciilifeform;depends who is 'the soviets' 1561563;1478039193;mircea_popescu;su is and always was ~as productive as say turkey. orcland. 1561564;1478039204;asciilifeform;the zeks of butugychag were productive. as were the rocket designers. 1561565;1478039243;mircea_popescu;eh, cherrypicking. sure, and stakhanov was best ever coal miner. 1561566;1478039255;asciilifeform;i only give half a fuck re peaks. 1561567;1478039261;asciilifeform;otherwise ancient greece - is a snore. 1561568;1478039268;asciilifeform;buncha goat herders. 1561569;1478039278;mircea_popescu;quite. 1561570;1478039286;mircea_popescu;whereas jurov 's argument was very much re averages. 1561571;1478039298;mircea_popescu;gotta engage with what people say not with what you wanna talk about. 1561572;1478039314;asciilifeform;whaddayado when you get wholly incompatible value systems ? 1561573;1478039330;asciilifeform;which i thought was plain as daylight in the first thread jurov an' i had on subj. 1561574;1478039366;asciilifeform;i literally don't give a femtofuck re how many dead peasants n1 rocket was made of. 1561575;1478039376;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing known in nature as "incompatible abstractions" 1561576;1478039388;mircea_popescu;all abstractions are ultimately compatible. this is required for their existence. 1561577;1478039392;asciilifeform;there may however be such a thing as 'bridge too far'. 1561578;1478039398;mircea_popescu;if you will. 1561579;1478039421;jurov;i asked how is that different from best korea. seems you did everything you could to avoid answering that 1561580;1478039436;asciilifeform;jurov: we had a pretty good 'best korea' thread 1561581;1478039458;asciilifeform;but to appreciate it, you'd have to actually think re subj and not simply swallow south kr (usg) nonsense 1561582;1478039484;asciilifeform;there is heavy industrial equipment built in, yes, 'best korea', still in service in good chunk of orc world. 1561583;1478039489;asciilifeform;was exported, sold for actual money. 1561584;1478039498;asciilifeform;then came nato blockade, enforced boycotts. 1561585;1478039540;mircea_popescu;hey, most of the infrastructure the us has been bombing all over the middle east past decade was put in place by romania. back when romanian extraction engineering was best in world, and haliburton couldn't compete for contracts, so ceausescu ended up with his own concessions which he serviced with his own boats and refined at midia near constanta. 1561586;1478039553;asciilifeform;north kr was never agriculturally rich, it was frozen shit land, and from the very beginning of industry in that godforsaken orc peninsula , was the industrial half of it. 1561587;1478039561;mircea_popescu;i suspect a lot of the bombing enthusiasm past decade has to do with all that impotent rage bottled 1972-1980 1561588;1478039596;mircea_popescu;so yes, orcland can do very well for export. 1561589;1478039607;asciilifeform;until 'civilized' world gangs up on it. 1561590;1478039617;asciilifeform;then - stews in own juices. 1561591;1478039627;asciilifeform;(or capitulates, like cuba.) 1561592;1478039665;asciilifeform;see the wonderful thread currently going on mircea_popescu's www re the crimes of lincoln 1561593;1478039683;asciilifeform;everything that happens in north kr, that jurov reads about and goes 'eww', is a creation of the west. 1561594;1478039711;mircea_popescu;note that this is a political stance, not a scholarly one. 1561595;1478039735;asciilifeform;i dunno that it is possible to consider it in any sense but the political. 1561596;1478039800;asciilifeform;north kr is simply a large-scale version of the thing wonderful civilized americans like to do to prisoners, chain'em up to a post until shits himself. 1561597;1478039802;asciilifeform;then say 'what a fuckhead, he shit himself.' 1561598;1478039807;asciilifeform;well yes -- he did. 1561599;1478039896;mircea_popescu;heh 1561600;1478039917;asciilifeform;so to answer jurov's question, the difference between ru and 'best korea' is that the chaining-to-a-post trick did not work. 1561601;1478039931;asciilifeform;doesn't keep the 'civilized' west from trying again. ad infinitum. 1561602;1478039936;mircea_popescu;worked just fine, you kidding me ? 1561603;1478039946;mircea_popescu;!~google gorbachev 1561604;1478039947;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Mikhail Gorbachev - Wikipedia: ; Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev - Government Official, President ...: ; BBC History - Mikhail Gorbachev: 1561605;1478039953;asciilifeform;worked on and off. 1561606;1478039964;mircea_popescu;well yes, by definition if works on and off now doesn't it. 1561607;1478039991;trinque;the west didn't do their particularly weird "beat the 5 year old girls so they prance around like weird trained dogs" did it? 1561608;1478040011;asciilifeform;trinque: ever see olympic gymnasts ? 1561609;1478040015;asciilifeform;those are what, exactly ? 1561610;1478040052;trinque;certainly not the same level of bizarre sexual fetish 1561611;1478040091;asciilifeform;granted, i am rather more familiar with western bizarre fetishes than with asian ones. 1561612;1478040105;trinque;they look like backwards villagers that got dosed with SU one day, now to this day say LOOK AM GREAT SOVIET TOO 1561613;1478040120;asciilifeform;and americans got dosed with europe once. 1561614;1478040125;asciilifeform;and ever since, etc. 1561615;1478040135;trinque;heh, indeed. 1561616;1478040159;asciilifeform;but fact is, the koreans built factories, educated engineers, had working hardware, perhaps not first class but quite close. 1561617;1478040193;asciilifeform;but if your picture of it is based on the ubiquitous southkr/usg crapolade, you would imagine it is a cargo cult pygmy set with straw airplanes. 1561618;1478040226;asciilifeform;it is going there, yes, neither the koreans nor anybody else know how to make molybdenum out of turnips. 1561619;1478040232;asciilifeform;but it isn't there yet. 1561620;1478040325;asciilifeform;as for the 'crayzeee', i'm not convinced that is is possible to keep a small and blockaded country from being swallowed up by the mcdonalds monster without some 'crayzeee.' 1561621;1478040420;asciilifeform;whether it 'ought to give in', so the koreans can have levi jeans and wriggleys chewing gum, or continue to work 100 hr weeks semi-starved so that they can carry on the parallel civilization experiment and not turn into 59th shit state of usa, keeping company with puerto rico, is a ~value~ call 1561622;1478040517;asciilifeform;northkr may well be the last 'soviet coldwallet' remaining. 1561623;1478040579;asciilifeform;(incidentally anyone who wants to ask 'would you move there' can stuff the q up his arse. northkr is an ethnostate and quite un-universalizing, the proposition is without any useful meaning.) 1561624;1478040726;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem is very much that the small country isn't swallowed up by the macdonalds. on the contrary : it swallows the macd. 1561625;1478040747;mircea_popescu;basically, stupid people are not people in any sense, but simply stupid. and they wish to be with their true brothers and sisters. 1561626;1478040749;asciilifeform;i'd not mind living to watch this. 1561627;1478040758;asciilifeform;north kr, swallowing mcd. 1561628;1478040768;mircea_popescu;so : eiother you beat the girls for using facebook, or else you're stuck with facebook. because that's where the stupid is. 1561629;1478040826;mircea_popescu;the desire of warsaw pact to "be like in the west" had nothing to do with anything, and most pointedly had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with their pretensions and aspersions at the time (freedom, liberty, blabla). it was EXCLUSIVELY a case of "stupid lazy idiots over there! we wanna go!!1" 1561630;1478040854;asciilifeform;it is why the walls were even ~there~ 1561631;1478040867;mircea_popescu;they call it "network effects", among the educated stupid, but really what it is - idiocy has no country. it's a thing, a substance, beyond identity. 1561632;1478040878;asciilifeform;because yes, otherwise the pond scum will go to where the chewing gum is and what remains, looks like slug with salt. 1561633;1478040882;mircea_popescu;"i just want to" 1561634;1478040915;BingoBoingo;lol http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=alt_news_sucks 1561635;1478040937;asciilifeform;they, yes, 'just wanted to' levi jeans. 1561636;1478040960;asciilifeform;and to the amoeba who 'just wants', the man, who has some mental activity above 'just wants' level is, yes, monster 1561637;1478040972;mircea_popescu;the problem is that democracy is fundamentally going to become "modern" democracy, for this reason. the mass of stupid keeps accreting. 1561638;1478040990;BingoBoingo; they call it "network effects", among the educated stupid, but really what it is - idiocy has no country. it's a thing, a substance, beyond identity. << Aka Baby Boomers lamenting that no one wants to hold hands and get along like during the post war politics of their grandfathers not realizing the handholding and hugs were the anomaly 1561639;1478041002;mircea_popescu;so your practical choices are rather unpalatable either way. 1561640;1478041053;asciilifeform;there are down sides, sure, to living as man, vs amoeba 1561641;1478041057;mircea_popescu;anyway. the hope is that we don't have the problem of the soviets, specifically because the republic has ~no problem with the idiots leaving to be with the usg&co. 1561642;1478041058;asciilifeform;but why 'unpalatable either way' ? 1561643;1478041065;mircea_popescu;supposedly it ain't gonna look like a salted slug. 1561644;1478041099;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in classical republicbuilding, your choice is either slaves, beaten weekly, ie best korea, or else taking it up in the ass, ie, rhodesia. 1561645;1478041135;BingoBoingo;In other news TRB leads the way! "Alert" system in PRB being retired via... ALERTS!!! https://archive.is/5OoKT 1561646;1478041196;mircea_popescu;anyway. the difference is marked. stalin had to shoot people to make example, because otherwise village wanted to be with the other guys. i am on the contrary - very happy to see every last idiot leave. stalin needed peons to work the tank factory, which works on peons. the shit we did - more people are a liability not a benefit. 1561647;1478041206;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lulzy, guess of what there is 0 mention. 1561648;1478041210;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1561649;1478041217;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5000.22, vol: 3230791.27550000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5000.22 1561650;1478041220;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No one mentions Truth 1561651;1478041235;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Much as same derps never find Peace 1561652;1478041273;BingoBoingo;Anyways, over 5000!!! 1561653;1478041292;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, this point upset teh empire recently. they really fucking imagined anyone WANTS the extras for some reason. 1561654;1478041333;mircea_popescu;i suppose historical bias. empire always fights the last war it lost and all that. 1561655;1478041346;asciilifeform;waiwat, elaborate, who imagined.. what? 1561656;1478041406;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: from commentz: 'Yeah, and people can be irrational and there are also shills and conspiracy theorists trying to find every reason to discredit the Core devs' 1561657;1478041411;asciilifeform;oh noez, discredit. 1561658;1478041415;mircea_popescu;lol 1561659;1478041444;BingoBoingo; oh noez, discredit. << Your discredit card has been declined 1561660;1478041478;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's this pervasive "surely you want more headcount, because headcount is a number and larger amounts of number is what everyone is all about". 1561661;1478041518;mircea_popescu;somehow the st crispin speech never got through. classics be hard. 1561662;1478041520;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta why i was not much hot&bothered re the 'incorporate church' idea 1561663;1478041534;mircea_popescu;these are orthogonal though. 1561664;1478041681;*;mircea_popescu recommends you read into the story of the satmar (bait : "If its schools in New York were a public school system, it would be the fourth-largest system in the state, after those of New York City, Buffalo and Rochester.") 1561665;1478041726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/zTytA << them ? 1561666;1478041746;mircea_popescu;aha 1561667;1478041762;asciilifeform;lafonde had a few interesting pieces on subj. 1561668;1478041792;mircea_popescu;they opposed collegiate education for girls, as well as voting in israel etc. i dunno any group teh usg hates moar. 1561669;1478041793;mircea_popescu;but, very much unlike the other groups usg hates, these survived a long while. 1561670;1478041814;asciilifeform;(according to him, they have a very effective, 'chechen', orcish style of organization, complete with omerta and folks sittin' in prison for one another, etc) 1561671;1478041879;mircea_popescu;went to shit after the old guy died, but anyway. 1561672;1478041920;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent satmar, of course, is named for satu mare, a small town in transylvania) 1561673;1478041974;asciilifeform;and in re last thread also, i know of 0 examples of anybody pulling this kind of thing off using strictly volunteers having no blood relation. 1561674;1478041978;asciilifeform;nations - exist. 1561675;1478041991;mircea_popescu;hm. 1561676;1478042025;mircea_popescu;nations exist where the father is not too cowardly to maintain discipline in the household. 1561677;1478042053;asciilifeform;i am not expert on satmar, but i did once research the mormons, who also carried on imperium in imperio vs usg for a good long time. 1561678;1478042076;asciilifeform;part of the recipe involves folks voluntarily falling on a certain grenade for the good of the tribe, and it is a very brutal one, they go to work in usg 1561679;1478042089;asciilifeform;and provide крыша for the rest. 1561680;1478042091;mircea_popescu;anyway, to return to the caller : incorporated church has ~0 with more amount of headcount number. 1561681;1478042124;mircea_popescu;has ~0 to do* i mean 1561682;1478042133;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ianal but once you 'church' it begins to matter how many heads you got. 1561683;1478042142;asciilifeform;from the pov of the imperial papershuffle. 1561684;1478042157;mircea_popescu;and once you register an irc channel "it begins to matter how many heads you got". depends to whom. 1561685;1478042181;asciilifeform;keeping 'two sets of books' has cost. 1561686;1478042184;mircea_popescu;the lulz @cat-v.org idiots are instructive in this field. what matters to the powerless is an exercise left for onanists. 1561687;1478042193;mircea_popescu;what two sets would those be ? 1561688;1478042246;asciilifeform;well let's say new york city hall comes and 'we're closing the tmsr cathedral in manhattan b/c kako broke ranks and now you only have 599 people instead of the required 600.' 1561689;1478042265;mircea_popescu;who says you need 600 ? church holds title to the land, can't be expropriated 1561690;1478042275;mircea_popescu;and if it is, 599 can also bomb city hall./ 1561691;1478042283;asciilifeform;not if it gets forcibly deincorporated by preet 1561692;1478042304;asciilifeform;whereas if we have icbm launchers and can demolish city hall, what's the point of registering with it to begin with. 1561693;1478042307;mircea_popescu;599 can also bomb preet. 1561694;1478042327;mircea_popescu;the fact that i can fuck the girl in any hole i choose does not mean i am forbidding from asking her which hole itches today. 1561695;1478042335;mircea_popescu;i am forbidden* 1561696;1478042383;asciilifeform;note, implication wasn't 'we will be forced to fellate preet' 1561697;1478042404;asciilifeform;but that 'now it will matter how many of us are on preet's list, whereas before there was no list, and it did not' 1561698;1478042413;mircea_popescu;just because i could bomb city hall doesn't mean i may not register a church there. optionality is mine, all of it, without restraint. i can do both, if i feel like doing both. 1561699;1478042431;mircea_popescu;this is not so. what lists random nobody keeps are his problem - neither case matters. 1561700;1478042440;asciilifeform;well yes, can easily do whatever, but thread was re cost. 1561701;1478042445;asciilifeform;what's it win ? 1561702;1478042453;mircea_popescu;no, thread was re optionality. ie, if x wants to do it. 1561703;1478042490;mircea_popescu;what's it win ? it wins land. how does the whole thing work ? young man of visible worth, who is a knight, gets asked "do you wish to go take X mark and be the marquess there ?" 1561704;1478042503;mircea_popescu;sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. what's another mark add ? nothing at all, of course. 1561705;1478042505;asciilifeform;i suppose 1 interesting example of exquisitely mircea_popescutronic arrangement might be yakuza 1561706;1478042510;mircea_popescu;except burgundy was a mark. 1561707;1478042512;asciilifeform;which is in all cases 'registered in city hall' in jp 1561708;1478042514;mircea_popescu;so was cologne. 1561709;1478042554;mircea_popescu;and so was the god forsaken land The Warlord died on. 1561710;1478042557;mircea_popescu;you never know with these things. 1561711;1478042566;mircea_popescu;(the warlord = charlton heston film. pretty good.) 1561712;1478042788;asciilifeform;'Stop buying into this bullshit. You're getting played. If it's not a "main stream" news source, that means they don't have anyone to answer to and nobody will lose their job if they report inaccurate information. You're not "woke" for reading alternate news, you're a dipshit. Rather than poring over old news clips to prove that 9/11, Sandy Hook, or the Boston Marathon was an "inside job," you should go outside and get a job.' << gol 1561713;1478042788;asciilifeform;d. 1561714;1478042803;asciilifeform;'shuddup & suck.' 1561715;1478042846;mircea_popescu;lol someone loses their job for being bad at it ? where this, in the us ?! 1561716;1478042849;asciilifeform;'Now I know what you're thinking, "but Maddox, I have all my teeth!" You won't for long. People who read alternate news sites will eventually lose their teeth. It's an Anankean inevitability; you're going to do something stupid like put a firecracker in your mouth because you are stupid. Want to know how I know? Because you read bullshit instead of news, and you not only think you're informed, but that you're smarter than the general 1561717;1478042849;asciilifeform; populace because you're doing your own independent research from an independent news source. Except you're not. You're an idiot who's going to lose all his teeth. These sites are using you for money...' << is not, however, false. 1561718;1478042881;mircea_popescu;well, depends. how's qntra using random ustard for money ? 1561719;1478042908;asciilifeform;qntra, from pov of author, lives in asteroid somewhere around alpha centauri. 1561720;1478042913;mircea_popescu;or, similarly, take rt. largest program of education of one group of idiots at the expense of another, "read this so you don't get stupid enough we have to nuke you" 1561721;1478042940;asciilifeform;epic, incidentally, failure, it is rather like lecturing to cockroaches 1561722;1478042948;asciilifeform;'how to be less stupid so i don't have to use the ddt' 1561723;1478042949;mircea_popescu;what with their terrorism of pointing out that mosul and aleppo aren't that far apart. 1561724;1478042952;asciilifeform;worked on no roach ever. 1561725;1478042964;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, talk to putin, i didn't come up with the shit. 1561726;1478043090;asciilifeform;but going upstack, all of the 'names' in 'alternative' american whateverthefuck, blatantly shilled for, e.g., gold scams 1561727;1478043099;asciilifeform;glennbeck, kaiser, et al. 1561728;1478043151;mircea_popescu;this is true. prolly what drives his post too. 1561729;1478043186;mircea_popescu;guy is kind-of left in that "sarcasm" school of the 90s where you pick an anecdote and blow it up. the thing that got hot topic'ed into cracked.com and by now is so fucking forgotten it almost has cachet again 1561730;1478043192;asciilifeform;~actual~ alternative affairs do not get airwave largesse from usg. they get banned, like isis-tentacle-not-pointed-ru-wards, and ddosed, like qntra. 1561731;1478043293;asciilifeform;this is actually a subject somewhat 'near and dear' to asciilifeform 1561732;1478043309;mircea_popescu;i did notice. 1561733;1478043312;asciilifeform;who was, for some years, subscribed to all kinds of nonsensical snailmail spamola as result of once being in 'nra' 1561734;1478043322;mircea_popescu;lol! 1561735;1478043327;asciilifeform;(they had a deal whereby the shooting gallery was cheaper) 1561736;1478043395;asciilifeform;and yes, being on that list apparently nominates you for EVERY pyramid scheme, herbal viagra, !!!!!!URGENT!!!!! faux-irs envelope, etc. scam in usa. 1561737;1478043425;BingoBoingo;What killed the GOP in the end was not Trump, but their mailing list whoring 1561738;1478043489;mircea_popescu;sound reasoning. 1561739;1478043500;mircea_popescu;on both counts. 1561740;1478043501;BingoBoingo;Show the slighest interest in conservatism? How would you like a home freeze dryer for 7000 payments of $9999 1561741;1478043539;asciilifeform;i'm gonna guess BingoBoingo was on 'the list' also. 1561742;1478043543;*;BingoBoingo in 2008 made mistake of donating in a single Ron Paul "money bomb" 1561743;1478043585;*;BingoBoingo voted Obama in 2008 because I threatened to if the spam didn't stop, and issue was forced. 1561744;1478043664;BingoBoingo;Now, the DOP will also whore mailing lists but is far more selective. You join Sierra club you get spam but spam limited to candidates and advocacy for this issue money taken for. Or so sayeth victims of that side. 1561745;1478043691;asciilifeform;it was not the ~quantity~ of the spam that raised my eyebrow 1561746;1478043704;asciilifeform;but the peculiarly insult to intelligence of the reader 1561747;1478043709;BingoBoingo;Aha 1561748;1478043713;BingoBoingo;Yes. 1561749;1478043720;BingoBoingo;"Colloidal Silver" 1561750;1478043725;BingoBoingo;etc 1561751;1478043728;asciilifeform;even more so than reading usg pravda. 1561752;1478043747;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: recall 'the smurf senator' ? 1561753;1478043754;BingoBoingo;Yes. 1561754;1478043757;asciilifeform;he ate, yes, the silver. 1561755;1478043793;BingoBoingo;Anyways GOP "conservatism" imagines itself a monolith where buying into one part means marketing target buys into whole scamatron. 1561756;1478043829;mircea_popescu;^ 1561757;1478043833;mircea_popescu;possibly due to xtian roots. 1561758;1478043851;asciilifeform;so yes, i buy a bottle of wine, and it somehow thereby follows that i go to communion and am in catholic church etc. 1561759;1478043861;BingoBoingo;WaPo at all last week were speculating that trump mailing list might have value, when it cannot because everyone on such list must be on 8 others readily whored and available. 1561760;1478043875;mircea_popescu;oh speaking of which. 1561761;1478043918;mircea_popescu;!!rated deedbot 1561762;1478043919;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated deedbot 10 at 2016/04/02 10:54:44 << It is indeed a bot. 1561763;1478043922;mircea_popescu;hm 1561764;1478043950;BingoBoingo;Anyways the jostling of what consitutes unified GOP conservatism is moderated by a few referees. At present the longest serving referee is Rush Limbaugh. 1561765;1478043998;mircea_popescu;!!ratings deedbot 1561766;1478043998;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/01ajx/?raw=true 1561767;1478044031;mircea_popescu;!!reputation deedbot 1561768;1478044040;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/gwwa9/?raw=true 1561769;1478044090;BingoBoingo;noice 1561770;1478044116;asciilifeform;!~seen mike_c 1561771;1478044116;jhvh1;asciilifeform: I have not seen mike_c. 1561772;1478044179;mircea_popescu;doh. guess whose key expired. 1561773;1478044200;BingoBoingo;Ouch 1561774;1478044233;BingoBoingo;brb, hammer time 1561775;1478044237;mircea_popescu;well i guess no soup for him. 1561776;1478044300;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/l6gup/?raw=true << lordship circular. 1561777;1478044313;asciilifeform;weird, the key i have here for mike_c doesn't seem to expire 1561778;1478044318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform phf's 1561779;1478044328;asciilifeform;aah 1561780;1478044476;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554093 << iirc we had thread... 1561781;1478044476;a111;Logged on 2016-10-09 00:41 trinque: so, phf was the second after asciilifeform to have a key expire. we should probably discuss how this should be handled going forward. 1561782;1478044487;asciilifeform;but i dun have his new one for some reason. 1561783;1478044488;asciilifeform;where is it? 1561784;1478044498;asciilifeform;!!key phf 1561785;1478044501;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/vjguy/?raw=true 1561786;1478044563;asciilifeform;^ old 1561787;1478047874;mircea_popescu;heh 1561788;1478048098;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561776 << apparently i spit out a broken one. here's corrected : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/igofx/?raw=true 1561789;1478048098;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 23:51 mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/l6gup/?raw=true << lordship circular. 1561790;1478048117;*;mircea_popescu mutters to self, promises to get better at this 1561791;1478048473;phf;asciilifeform: i've no idea why deedbot key is old, presumably it's fed from the same place that i use to up, and that's been refresh. i have the correct copy in btcbase's wot, http://btcbase.org/data/wot/phf.asc 1561792;1478049106;mircea_popescu;!!key phf 1561793;1478049109;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/vu81j/?raw=true 1561794;1478049138;mircea_popescu;it's not old. 1561795;1478049171;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6gxco/?raw=true << supplemental circular for phf lol. 1561796;1478049221;phf;ooh a personalized circular 1561797;1478050919;mod6;!%h 1561798;1478051205;mod6;!%a trb F "Possible DB Replacement with UNIX Filesystem" "http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561093" 1561799;1478051205;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 02:04 mircea_popescu: happy bday mod6 1561800;1478051617;mod6;!%e trb 8 C "Remove BDB and integrate BitcoinFS" "Change ticket to integrate the BitcoinFS, once implemented." 6,7,33 1561801;1478051670;mod6;!%p trb 8 1561802;1478051671;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 8, Type: C, Subject: Remove BDB and integrate BitcoinFS, Antecedents: 6,7,33, Notes: Change ticket to integrate the BitcoinFS, once implemented. 1561803;1478051686;mod6;!%p trb 33 1561804;1478051687;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 33, Type: F, Subject: Possible DB Replacement with UNIX Filesystem, Antecedents: , Notes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561093 1561805;1478051711;mod6;ok, well, at least i've got some breadcrumbs back to that great convo lastnight. 1561806;1478051974;mircea_popescu;cool. 1561807;1478053252;*;BingoBoingo of the monthly dispatches most eagerly awaits S.NSA as usual 1561808;1478056578;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561232 << merely that wallet might reasonably be muntzed out of bitcoind proper into block-muncher-and-tx-indexer. topologically very similar to "reindex" and friends, but could eschew "wallet" idiocies involving change addresses and sensible address reuse. 1561809;1478056578;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 03:47 trinque: I will be interesting to hear what ben_vulpes has to say about this, given recent block-parsing adventures 1561810;1478056649;ben_vulpes;my personal preference, if you can't spot the foreshadowing in my work, is to index the entire set of outputs on "to whom was this sent" 1561811;1478057158;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/alternate-bitcoin-implementation-apes-reference-client-in-removing-network-alert-system/ << Qntra - Alternate Bitcoin Implementation Apes Reference Client In Removing Network Alert System 1561812;1478063204;BingoBoingo;!~tslb 1561813;1478063206;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 49 minutes and 39 seconds 1561814;1478082840;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1561805 << one important point is that the checking of common fs (ext2, ext4, w/e) wrt to feasibility of the symlink scheme proposed couold be started right now. 1561815;1478082840;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 01:55 mod6: ok, well, at least i've got some breadcrumbs back to that great convo lastnight. 1561816;1478082867;mircea_popescu;prolly the linchpin of the entire thing, if we can actually use off the shelf fs we can almost even proceed. 1561817;1478083044;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1561808 << still has to be separate from that because of the risks involved in fucking up the wallet. nobody cares you leak your tx index say, that's public. 1561818;1478083044;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 03:16 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561232 << merely that wallet might reasonably be muntzed out of bitcoind proper into block-muncher-and-tx-indexer. topologically very similar to "reindex" and friends, but could eschew "wallet" idiocies involving change addresses and sensible address reuse. 1561819;1478083099;mircea_popescu;also, what do you mean "whom" ? address ? you'll have duplicate indexes. 1561820;1478086206;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-october-2016-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) October 2016 Statement 1561821;1478086367;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the Alert system having long been long purged << extra words!!! 1561822;1478086379;mircea_popescu;jurov shares added. 1561823;1478086421;shinohai; Buena dias mircea_popescu o/ 1561824;1478086426;mircea_popescu;hola! 1561825;1478089456;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty snipped 1561826;1478091304;BingoBoingo;In other news Qntra has been sitting at 2100 comments for some time now. There's a Qntest going on, so pls to correct. 1561827;1478091307;BingoBoingo;brb 1561828;1478091663;mircea_popescu;and in other loving homes & gardens, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3uaox7LWJ1qk6jw7o1_1280.jpg 1561829;1478092725;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/11/flotsam-on-fetid-tide.html , 'As she coughs, staggers, convulses, lies, pilfers, sells favors and lapses into intermittent confusion, she still has the courage to tell America that she loathes half of it. That´s candor.' 1561830;1478092906;asciilifeform;and lol, apparently guest piece by... fred reed 1561831;1478092935;mircea_popescu;i dunno why they find it remarkable, it's the end game for middle class womanhood since well before the french revolution. 1561832;1478092942;*;asciilifeform had nfi he were still around. was a favourite of uncle al. 1561833;1478093002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform weirdly enough, the uk press moved to a "trump will win" stance, from sky to telegraph etc. 1561834;1478093095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: american, also, they traditionally do this in the last days leading up to election to help nail a designated loser with 'turnout encouragement' 1561835;1478093098;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/LCAnf << even the most rabid socialists. the tinge of schadenfreude, delicious as it may be, is still the only distinguishing decoration between "tory" and labour. 1561836;1478093108;asciilifeform;why the british are involved, i have nfi. 1561837;1478093131;asciilifeform;(possibly because they haven't own brains, are simply an anal wart on usa now.) 1561838;1478093136;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1561808 << i got prototype for that. there's only one method called from entire wallet codebase that injects the prepped up transaction into the general pool. i replaced it (or rather, right now it's augmented) with a shiva foreign call that takes a list of bytes, deserailizes it into transaction, and does the injection 1561839;1478093136;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 03:16 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561232 << merely that wallet might reasonably be muntzed out of bitcoind proper into block-muncher-and-tx-indexer. topologically very similar to "reindex" and friends, but could eschew "wallet" idiocies involving change addresses and sensible address reuse. 1561840;1478093177;asciilifeform;phf: consider posting this 1561841;1478093196;mircea_popescu;yeh 1561842;1478093225;phf;yeah, it needs some more work. i think that wallet needs to be augmented do operations via shiva, but then instead of injecting it should do a call out into shiva of a byte list of transaction. once i get there, i'll do a post 1561843;1478093527;mircea_popescu;alternatively, wallet could run as entirely separate process, and relay its txn by connecting to a node as if it were a node. except it asks for no txn. 1561844;1478093533;phf;afaik wallet relies on some knowledge of blockchain, so airgapped solution will be a combination of blockchain eater and an augmented wallet. so you have two parallel nodes red and black. black sits on the wire and receives transaction, spitting blocks. you batch carry blocks to red, red eats them, you do your wallet operations, pick up serialized byte lists, carry them back to black, inject. etc 1561845;1478093569;mircea_popescu;phf in principle wallet has all the knowledge of blockchain it cares about. 1561846;1478093585;phf;in principle yes 1561847;1478093588;mircea_popescu;i'm not altogether sure such a drastic separation can be implemented - but it seems theoretically possible 1561848;1478093592;mircea_popescu;maybe worth pursuing. 1561849;1478093612;asciilifeform;it really depends on what you expect out of 'wallet' 1561850;1478093620;mircea_popescu;IF the wallet is correctly implemented (as discussed, text files etc), then fixing any problem is trivial for the operator. 1561851;1478093648;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform EXACT same as the derps doing nuke security explained they expect in yest linked article. "that the authorised people can launch easily and no one else can period." 1561852;1478093673;phf;but i think asciilifeform also had an imperative of keeping trb canonical sourth of all btc knowledge, so that wallet stays in (so that you can read and know what wallet even is), but you solve the separation by starting the daemon with different flags indicating intended usecase 1561853;1478093680;mircea_popescu;bitcoin wallet is very literally superset of nuclear briefcase. 1561854;1478093686;asciilifeform;that goes without saying. but does it really need to also be a miniature node ? or can wallet simply do the one essential thing, sign payloads with privkeys 1561855;1478093698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and not relay them at all ? 1561856;1478093712;mircea_popescu;phf yes but it seems it was at least tacitly agreed a package of tools is acceptable rather than monolith. 1561857;1478093713;asciilifeform;spits out signed string, which you then drop in the hopper of an operating node. 1561858;1478093730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also acceptable. but in neither these designs does wallet have access to blockchain. 1561859;1478093751;mircea_popescu;it's just somehow assumed it does ; but there's no reason for it to. 1561860;1478093753;asciilifeform;in the picture phf drew, it does 1561861;1478093760;mircea_popescu;well yes, hence this discussion. 1561862;1478093782;asciilifeform;imho private keys don't belong anywhere near a node. 1561863;1478093792;mircea_popescu;im of the same sentiment. 1561864;1478093802;mircea_popescu;they do not belong on an internet-connected machine, to be clear. 1561865;1478093821;mircea_popescu;MAYBE something like "only open port is X and only process connects to it is Y and ALL Y does is push data out so and so" may work. 1561866;1478093826;mircea_popescu;but that's as far as that goes. 1561867;1478093852;asciilifeform;given nic dma and other wonders, i would not even sign under this. 1561868;1478093856;phf;well you have a concept of an airgapped node already. it's the one where you rely on a whole different networked node to build a blockchain for you, and inject blocks into your airgapped node for you. there's hell of attack vector here though 1561869;1478093862;asciilifeform;serial diode - yes. 1561870;1478093870;mircea_popescu;phf myeah. 1561871;1478093889;asciilifeform;phf: it isn't clear that the signing box needs to see raw blocks. 1561872;1478093894;mircea_popescu;^ 1561873;1478093909;asciilifeform;it only needs to see the payloads for signing. 1561874;1478093910;mircea_popescu;or any blocks in general. only you can spend, therefore only your updates are interesting to it. 1561875;1478093935;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don';t think the wallet should do only signing. it should also do coinbase selection. 1561876;1478093968;asciilifeform;this is where it gets painful 1561877;1478093971;phf;that seems tricky, as far as my work is concerned, definitely version 3 1561878;1478093971;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1561879;1478093982;asciilifeform;because there exists this animal, that isn't even properly part of bitcoin, called the unmined tx 1561880;1478093983;mircea_popescu;BUT! coinbase selection is the MOST IMPORTANT part of bitcoin privacy 1561881;1478093996;mircea_popescu;and unsurprisingly, the one that got 0est of prb effort. 1561882;1478094019;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform explain ? 1561883;1478094030;asciilifeform;well, see the doublespend threads 1561884;1478094038;mircea_popescu;you mean the malleation stuff ? 1561885;1478094040;asciilifeform;trb wallet is every bit as broken as prb wallet in this respect 1561886;1478094044;asciilifeform;for instance. 1561887;1478094060;mircea_popescu;that finally got irretrievably broken as i reported here a while back. 1561888;1478094075;mircea_popescu;now high-s are doublespent automatically by transactions that oficially "do not exist", 1561889;1478094082;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that they are reported as doublespends. 1561890;1478094094;mircea_popescu;pretty eggregious nonsense, vaguely surprised nobody gave a shit about it then, but w/e. 1561891;1478094114;mircea_popescu;unless there's 17 btc to dream about and blood in the water from decapitated project nobody actually gives a shit about the network. 1561892;1478094249;asciilifeform;i still don't fully grasp ~why~ the malleatron fires ONLY when the maker of original tx tries to doublespend own coin by making new one 1561893;1478094263;mircea_popescu;this is not how it works ? 1561894;1478094271;asciilifeform;this happened to me, while using bbet to lose 5btc on go players. 1561895;1478094296;asciilifeform;and on one other uninteresting occasion prior 1561896;1478094403;mircea_popescu;that i think is unrelated. i was talkign about https://archive.is/HG8sD https://archive.is/pmq78 stuff. 1561897;1478094481;asciilifeform;the entire notion of 'marked as doublespend' is odd 1561898;1478094483;mircea_popescu;(originally reported back in sept, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539608 ) 1561899;1478094483;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 16:28 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539596 << fwiw, as far as i can tell, my boxes never saw these. 1561900;1478094551;mircea_popescu;it's a kludge. 1561901;1478094591;asciilifeform;it's a nonsense. miners can induce pretty much anyone to 'doublespend' by failing, for long enough, to mine a tx 1561902;1478094611;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point being, the miner cartel brink-of-war event didn't proceed, but "equipment" derived from it is now widely deployed, and as you can observe it can selectively disappear txn from the mempool. 1561903;1478094613;asciilifeform;there is nothing intrinsically illegitimate about a 'doublespend'. 1561904;1478094621;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that those txn are valid in all respects. 1561905;1478094669;asciilifeform;as i understand, it works by making mircea_popescu 'taint' (yes) his coins with 'doublespendiness' 1561906;1478094682;mircea_popescu;i don't follow. 1561907;1478094682;asciilifeform;and then the tx using these inputs get dropped by derps. 1561908;1478094694;mircea_popescu;ah. yeah, possibly. 1561909;1478094731;mircea_popescu;this is quite likely how it works, though the taint is currently attached to the txn itself rather than the inputs. while supplies last, anyway. 1561910;1478094735;asciilifeform;and pretty much everyone who has attempted to fire a tx using trb prior to mod6's 'S' patch, now has a supply of such 'evil' coin with which to test this hypothesis, if he wants. 1561911;1478094743;mircea_popescu;aha. 1561912;1478094788;mircea_popescu;because you simply can't get the taint out of the stupid head. it's born with it, will die with it. 1561913;1478094806;mircea_popescu;"gotta have taint! its how the world works!" 1561914;1478094814;asciilifeform;the tale of procrustes had a point 1561915;1478094820;mircea_popescu;and in other news, flying sluts http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m93xj64NMw1r1ff3no1_1280.jpg 1561916;1478094829;asciilifeform;stupid folk cannot resist the urge to actually try an' cut the world to fit in stupid head. 1561917;1478094848;mircea_popescu;thopugh i suspect the words urge and resist are misemployed. 1561918;1478094966;asciilifeform;'the selectively disappear tx' is not afaik really it, this weapon cannot be aimed. 1561919;1478094977;mircea_popescu;anyway. the case that the current set of derps doing the mining will be allowed to continue remains dubious. 1561920;1478095002;asciilifeform;(or rather, it ~can~ be aimed, but very cumbersome, like 'bertha' cannon, they gotta not-mine your tx first, make you double up) 1561921;1478095008;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform works about as well as everything else usg. 1561922;1478095069;asciilifeform;hard to see what could replace 'current set of derps' other than a quite identical set 1561923;1478095072;asciilifeform;mining is -ev. 1561924;1478095085;mircea_popescu;fucking your girlfriend is also -ev. 1561925;1478095140;asciilifeform;well yes, we had the '-ev rocket' thread not long ago. 1561926;1478095167;mircea_popescu;anyway. to not get entirely sidetracked : the exact sense in which wallet should be separated from rest of trb needs a lot more thinking. 1561927;1478095225;asciilifeform;there is a small and enumerable, without difficulty, number of possible places to make the cut. 1561928;1478095250;mircea_popescu;lets hear 1561929;1478095267;asciilifeform;well: 1561930;1478095285;asciilifeform;cut resulting in smallest walletron: wallet only stores privkeys and signs strings with'em. 1561931;1478095291;asciilifeform;all payload crafting happens elsewhere. 1561932;1478095311;mircea_popescu;that's one. 1561933;1478095320;*;mircea_popescu is contemplating writing an article of these, with pros and cons etc. 1561934;1478095333;asciilifeform;next after this, would be phf's variant. wallet also knows how to swallow blocks and craft a tx for itself to sign. 1561935;1478095347;mircea_popescu;which block ? you mean any ? 1561936;1478095374;asciilifeform;blocks, sequentially, so as to maintain a picture of what is available to spend. 1561937;1478095390;mircea_popescu;so this is wallet+node combo. 1561938;1478095401;asciilifeform;(hence why i brought up the miner shenanigans, it is not possible, sadly, to operate a wallet entirely 'blind') 1561939;1478095403;mircea_popescu;the thing i proposed would fall in between, so this'd be three. 1561940;1478095414;mircea_popescu;was there a fourth ? 1561941;1478095451;asciilifeform;fourth is what we have now.. 1561942;1478095460;mircea_popescu;mkay, i guess ima go write. 1561943;1478095487;asciilifeform;also include the possible cut between mempool and 'blockpool' 1561944;1478095501;asciilifeform;which imho really ought to be made, those are quite separable concerns. 1561945;1478095574;asciilifeform;(this type of cut is a very necessary thing, imho, per 'specificity of diddling', nothing beats the ability to mix&match parts, run queries in parallel on redundant subsystems on heterogeneous iron, etc) 1561946;1478095594;mircea_popescu;yes, that's a settled thing and i see no need to drag it into this other discussion and muddy it up. 1561947;1478095600;asciilifeform;aite. 1561948;1478096815;asciilifeform;tangentially relatedly, did prb ever get around to ordering mempool tx by fee ? 1561949;1478096847;asciilifeform;because if not, we have here a ready hammer for flattening current crop of miners 1561950;1478096880;asciilifeform;(give the new miners access to profitable, fee-ordered tx pool, the old ones get 0) 1561951;1478096906;mircea_popescu;nope. 1561952;1478097139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform got loglink towhere we discussed wallet and how it should be a fucking text file ? 1561953;1478097270;phf;sexps, sexps everywhere 1561954;1478097307;mircea_popescu;phf aha. point being it was to be human readable. 1561955;1478097317;mircea_popescu;for some reason i can't find it though i clearly recall ranting on it. 1561956;1478097613;mircea_popescu;frustrating. 1561957;1478097923;thestringpuller;as of current you have to dump block on TRB in order to manually grep for a tx-hash to use as an Input to construct a raw transaction 1561958;1478098249;*;asciilifeform tried, failed, to turn up the thread. 1561959;1478098391;mircea_popescu;oh it was anarticle! damn! 1561960;1478098392;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/ 1561961;1478098431;asciilifeform;yes! 1561962;1478098435;asciilifeform;it. 1561963;1478098453;mircea_popescu;that was a horrible 15 minutes though. i was about to break the kbd 1561964;1478098745;thestringpuller;i'm i really the only one with that article saved :P 1561965;1478098753;thestringpuller;its in T-Bot for christ-sake 1561966;1478098846;thestringpuller;phf: you don't have to inject blocks into your signing node. you don't even need a node to sign iirc? just raw transaction. 1561967;1478099316;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: see thread. you still gotta craft the tx somewhere. 1561968;1478099332;asciilifeform;based on some picture of the blockchain. 1561969;1478099361;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: explain how you need blockchain to sign tx? 1561970;1478099368;asciilifeform;you don't! 1561971;1478099372;thestringpuller;:D 1561972;1478099375;asciilifeform;you can sign tx with a z80. 1561973;1478099382;asciilifeform;but where do you get the tx to sign. 1561974;1478099385;phf;thestringpuller: you need blockchain to ~craft~ tx though 1561975;1478099401;phf;you know, inputs 1561976;1478099409;thestringpuller;yes. so I dont see why can't craft the tx first then move it physically to signing device 1561977;1478099441;phf;you could, but ~i~ don't like that solution because then you're signing blind. 1561978;1478099452;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: at least 2 people here already do some variant of this. 1561979;1478099461;asciilifeform;but it leaves open the question of where and how to craft the tx. 1561980;1478099483;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-cut-the-wallet/ < 1561981;1478099497;asciilifeform;and as phf points out, it leaves you open to attack where the craftmachine is pwned and gives you a wallet-emptier to happily carry to the bunker and sign.. 1561982;1478099501;phf;you could probably have one black two red machines, wire node, tx crafting node, and a signing machine 1561983;1478099504;shinohai;^ 1561984;1478099519;mircea_popescu;funny, this is all in there :D 1561985;1478099528;*;asciilifeform reads 1561986;1478099842;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: unless tx you craft is gargantuan, I don't see how you couldn't do a partial audit of the non-signed tx that is spit out. in this context it would be best to check against multiple known TRB nodes the tx hashes are valid 1561987;1478099866;mircea_popescu;you could even regexp it. 1561988;1478099888;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: how do you propose to 'check against multiple trb nodes' on an airgapped signing box ? 1561989;1478100016;thestringpuller;1) why would you not check raw unsigned tx before even contemplating signing the thing if you suspect comprimisation? 1561990;1478100028;mircea_popescu;... 1561991;1478100061;thestringpuller;what pieces are there to check other than the inputs and the usigned outputs? 1561992;1478100069;mircea_popescu;check against what. 1561993;1478100146;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1561981 << against whether or not the output is to "wallet emptying address". you'd know if output pubkey is differ than one you put in? 1561994;1478100146;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 15:11 asciilifeform: and as phf points out, it leaves you open to attack where the craftmachine is pwned and gives you a wallet-emptier to happily carry to the bunker and sign.. 1561995;1478100158;thestringpuller;or am I misunderstanding the attack? 1561996;1478100203;mircea_popescu;you might be misunderstanding computers. if you sign a tx on the basis of "it's what my node told me to sign", then the node's in charge not you. 1561997;1478100249;thestringpuller;i guess i still don't grok 1561998;1478100264;mircea_popescu;there's a very fundamental difference between bare life, which evolves in between orders of behaviour relayed by computers ("now it's time to wake up! now click here!") and humanity, which uses computers strictly to answer questions. 1561999;1478100294;mircea_popescu;and what you're proposing to do isn't having the computer answer a question ; but it's having the computer tell you what to do. 1562000;1478100334;thestringpuller;if my node is compromised and nosuchlabs.com:8333 isn't 1562001;1478100343;thestringpuller;woudn't I get two different answers? 1562002;1478100376;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: with what would you be speaking to nosuchlabs box ? with wire in teeth ? 1562003;1478100468;thestringpuller;from other internet connected box (airgapped machine isn't even in picture yet cuz tx is not ready for signature) 1562004;1478100469;asciilifeform;let's take 'pessimal' case, where overflow or whatever is found such that all satoshi-derived nodes 'chain-react' and can be manipulated arbitrarily by the enemy. 1562005;1478100479;asciilifeform;i argue that a properly-designed wallet will not leak coins even then. 1562006;1478100487;asciilifeform;any coins. 1562007;1478100489;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-cut-the-wallet/ << Trilema - How to cut the wallet ? 1562008;1478100515;mircea_popescu;this is a fundamental requirement yes. 1562009;1478100579;thestringpuller;then how would you construct reliable tx to begin without saving a record of all your UTXO's 1562010;1478100588;thestringpuller;in this case you can't trust the UTXO set of any node 1562011;1478100613;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller go read teh article so that next i look for it you can say you had it saved a minute after i found it eh! 1562012;1478100653;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: it's already bookmarked and saved. inb4deedbot 1562013;1478100666;mircea_popescu;yes but the idea is to also read them lol. 1562014;1478100725;thestringpuller;I have...i'll just write something up based on Ken Sheriff's stuff and then see if I can grok alf-ie 1562015;1478100726;asciilifeform;incidentally, a more general observation re 'serial diodes', is that, quite like 'archive.is' and similar, they are a valuable detector of folks attempting to monkey with history. 1562016;1478100745;asciilifeform;if a node behind a diode, and an otherwise-identical one outside of the diode, diverge in any respect whatsoever... 1562017;1478100750;mircea_popescu;aha. 1562018;1478100758;mircea_popescu;useful item to have. 1562019;1478100802;asciilifeform;after slicing apart mempool-node from blockchain-node, building 'dioded node' becomes trivial exercise. 1562020;1478100811;asciilifeform;(it dun care via what to 'eatblock', can be rs232) 1562021;1478100834;asciilifeform;incidentally you can make this out of CURRENT trb simply by putting it on a box without a nic 1562022;1478100841;asciilifeform;and letting it 'eatblock' via shell script. 1562023;1478100876;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/h0qlr/?raw=true 1562024;1478100876;asciilifeform;trb absolutely gives no fuck if it cannot find the network. 1562025;1478100879;thestringpuller;trb the bsd of bitcoin 1562026;1478100881;asciilifeform;(clock will, however, drift) 1562027;1478101035;asciilifeform;in other noose, j. mcafee opens a mining pool for usg. (probably in exchange for non-prosecution for pyramidal flimflammery and/or non-extradition to the orc shithole of his past decade) 1562028;1478101052;mircea_popescu;oh he's in the us now ? 1562029;1478101059;asciilifeform;he's been there for some years 1562030;1478101098;asciilifeform;at least 3. 1562031;1478101146;mircea_popescu;i'm very vaguely following the whole raft of wanna-be leading ladies & other zsa zsa gabors. i recall some pics with him and a model on a boat ; about on par with whatever bs comes out of that meathead who sold out to yahoo, then lost money on every single deal hence and imagines this makes him an entrepreneur 1562032;1478101164;mircea_popescu;a sort of redneck branson, wtf is his name 1562033;1478101167;asciilifeform;his principal value to his new owner is his 'tor cred' or whatever one might call it. 1562034;1478101194;asciilifeform;a reputation for '133337 d00d'ness among the types of folx who bite that particular variety of hook. 1562035;1478101197;mircea_popescu;lol right. the sort of idiot who imagines tor is a thing, aka 20something potheads. 1562036;1478101215;asciilifeform;aha. he is kept around as a tame priest specifically for use on them. 1562037;1478101265;asciilifeform;(the entire racket has 0 to do with defense of the crown in the traditional kgb sense, but rather with 'terrorist creation' , a la the proverbial death ray case.) 1562038;1478101272;mircea_popescu;ah mark cuban, there we go! 1562039;1478101303;asciilifeform;afaik mcafee long ago lost ~all of his money. hence operating in esr mode now. 1562040;1478101314;asciilifeform;the money - gone, the expensive tastes - remain. 1562041;1478101323;mircea_popescu;like all of them. there's really a long list of these government "entrepreneurs" in all socialisms 1562042;1478101332;mircea_popescu;if they spoke russian they'd be called oligarchs, but as it is... 1562043;1478101337;mircea_popescu;"let's pretend the word is businessman" 1562044;1478101341;asciilifeform;these folks are quite ideal from pov of new owners. 1562045;1478101345;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562035 << this reminds me! 1562046;1478101345;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 15:39 mircea_popescu: lol right. the sort of idiot who imagines tor is a thing, aka 20something potheads. 1562047;1478101348;asciilifeform;like the archetypical dope-addicted whore. 1562048;1478101350;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557460 << 25 - close enough 1562049;1478101350;a111;Logged on 2016-10-21 00:01 mircea_popescu: Framedragger what are you, like 26 ? 1562050;1478101357;mircea_popescu;Framedragger lol win. 1562051;1478101378;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, wanna bet cuban is sitting somewhere thinking trump really proves he could be president in a decade ? 1562052;1478101406;mircea_popescu;evidently using the same plastic surgeon kerry-heintz uses, so there is that going for him! 1562053;1478101424;trinque;hell he does reality tv iirc 1562054;1478101427;trinque;he's on the fast track 1562055;1478101430;mircea_popescu;aye! 1562056;1478101611;mircea_popescu;the cuban wiki entry is fucking hysterical. lengthy discussion of the shitty jobs the dork did in college. how come none of these go "and then he took rhetorics with elena dragos and was the only one to get a b in any of her classes that decade" 1562057;1478101672;shinohai;http://archive.is/KWUcD <<< Garzik and 2 women appointed to Linux Foundation board? It has went full Bitcoin Phoundation 1562058;1478101676;mircea_popescu;"during college he had various business ventures, including a bar, disco lessons, and a chain letter." 1562059;1478101682;mircea_popescu;fucking endless pile of lulz this guy 1562060;1478101750;mircea_popescu;bitnami (cloud), redhat bitcoin agent, advocate. 1562061;1478101754;mircea_popescu;sounds about right. 1562062;1478101756;asciilifeform;shinohai: it started life as 'full phoundation' 1562063;1478101761;asciilifeform;had 0 ever to do with linux. 1562064;1478101770;shinohai;well duh 1562065;1478101780;asciilifeform;its continued existence is the greatest afaik known shame of torvalds. 1562066;1478101801;asciilifeform;he oughta have yanked its trademark use permission immediately. 1562067;1478101822;mircea_popescu;who knows what he's doing there. 1562068;1478101830;asciilifeform;but, as i gather, decided that it would pointlessly hasten his dekulakization, or some such. 1562069;1478101832;mircea_popescu;general in teh field gets to use his assets as he pleases. 1562070;1478101870;asciilifeform;general's been in 'strategic' retreat for so long that his arse is wet in pacific ocean. 1562071;1478101953;asciilifeform;(incidentally, everybody in kindergarten makes fun of the italian tanks with 4 reverse gears, but for some reason nobody discusses american ejection seat developed for $maxint, but never deployed, in vietnam, with its own built-in little airplane wings, so as to skedaddle out of enemy lines when escaping!) 1562072;1478101971;mircea_popescu;lol 1562073;1478102018;mircea_popescu;back to the font of lulz, the official story is that clinton is losing because "kgb controls the fbi and there's badly behaved men!" 1562074;1478102040;asciilifeform;( incidentally, does mircea_popescu know what is https://archive.is/71Wfw ? there are hilarious stories connected with it ) 1562075;1478102082;mircea_popescu;ejection tester thing ? 1562076;1478102103;asciilifeform;it was (they were abolished in late '90s after the chair ~flew~ once) an ejection ~trainer~ 1562077;1478102116;asciilifeform;you sit in a mockup cockpit and sergeant lights a firework under your arse 1562078;1478102123;asciilifeform;chair jumps up 8 or so metres. 1562079;1478102134;mircea_popescu;heh 1562080;1478102146;asciilifeform;story goes, that in at least two academies where these existed, they ended up used as first-class auto-abortuators 1562081;1478102164;asciilifeform;for gurlz from almost whole country, who came by word of mouth, and carrying bottles of bribe 1562082;1478102331;mircea_popescu;hm 1562083;1478102345;asciilifeform;http://aircraft-museum.ucoz.ru/index/nktl_29_39/0-77 << better photo. 1562084;1478102359;mircea_popescu;placenta abrupta is a) painful b) an emergency and c) really not the best way to go. 1562085;1478102364;mircea_popescu;i rate this "urban legend" 1562086;1478102389;asciilifeform;works ok in 1st trimester iirc. 1562087;1478102408;asciilifeform;the way it even came out publicly was a case where idiot chick with 3rd trimester jumped on. 1562088;1478102412;mircea_popescu;rivanol via foley works even better. safer. longer. etcetera 1562089;1478102447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why 'diy' methods remained popular, and remain today, is own interesting thread 1562090;1478102459;mircea_popescu;i dunno why this wouldn't count as dyi. 1562091;1478102479;asciilifeform;because needs exotic pharma ? 1562092;1478102487;asciilifeform;i suppose if yer an organiker, it is diy. 1562093;1478102503;mircea_popescu;it does ? 1562094;1478102563;asciilifeform;'diy' typically refers to things an ordinary cowsie can make by itself from supplies from local shop and/or own kitchen.. 1562095;1478102578;mircea_popescu;you can buy it from ~any chem supplier 1562096;1478102618;asciilifeform;go an' try, buy anything whatsoever from chem supplier in usa (as cowsie) 1562097;1478102624;mircea_popescu;anyway. if they can make meth they can make ethacridine. 1562098;1478102752;asciilifeform;perhaps PeterL can comment on the 'folk synthesis'. 1562099;1478102799;mircea_popescu;anyway. sigma aldrich sells it for $952.90/100grams, which is indeed laughable. 1562100;1478102868;asciilifeform;https://www.amazon.com/RIVANOL-ethacridine-lactate-cutaneous-solution/dp/B00OXWM3U6 << l0l! 1562101;1478102879;mircea_popescu;iirc you want 0.5% 1562102;1478102890;asciilifeform;vacuum distill ? 1562103;1478102915;mircea_popescu;no i mean, 0.5% concentrated. 100grams 99% enough to make 4 gallons of the stuff. 1562104;1478103045;mircea_popescu;ahhh the libertard butthurt pouring out of the election coverage is so delicious. 1562105;1478103102;mircea_popescu;"With Nate Silver putting Trump on a 28.8 per cent chance of victory, it’s almost unbelievable that the race could be so close, given the consequences. A Russian puppet candidate with shady business affairs who hasn’t disclosed his tax returns, Trump has spent his campaign alienating minorities, horrifying women, offending religious and military voters, and having his career of awful business behaviour paraded in public. 1562106;1478103103;mircea_popescu;That he has been able to surf these scandals regularly as little more than free media opportunities shows that American democracy is in serious need of rehabilitation." << in my view, this settles an ancient point of contention curtis yarvin never manned up to, re "the cathedral" or generally how pervasive, or "in power" the idiots are. 1562107;1478103134;mircea_popescu;together with the bitcoin and the urbit dispute respectively, this puts him 0 for 3. 1562108;1478103159;mircea_popescu;can i be excused if i consider the matter forever put to rest, and deem nothing he ever said of any import or conceivable consequence whatsoever ? 1562109;1478103195;asciilifeform;where was this 1562110;1478103208;mircea_popescu;one "rupery myers" for the telegraph 1562111;1478103810;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's directly evident the most rabid of libertards realised clinton ain't got it ; and are in their grief dealing mode. pronouncements that "the election is rigged" (phrased, of course, as "this was an unedifying year" blabla), assurances that "whoever wins will be a single term president" as if that fixes anything ; even a pretense that putin will take advantage of trump. specifically. as if a) it isn't in the nature 1562112;1478103811;mircea_popescu; of things for the stronger to take advantage of the obese shithead and b) anyone could get more buttraped by putin, or the world generally, than obama already has. 1562113;1478105190;PeterL;If I were a woman, I don't think I would trust the purity of something made in somebodies garage to not have dangerous impurities 1562114;1478105215;PeterL;but yes, not horribly complicated molecule 1562115;1478105241;asciilifeform;PeterL: dope world, of both sexes, seems to care not a whit whether garage or not. 1562116;1478105262;asciilifeform;and q is not even whether complicated, but whether feasible from commonplace materials. 1562117;1478105272;PeterL;I guess if you are looking for a DIY abortion, impurities would be low on your scale of things to worry about 1562118;1478105273;asciilifeform;and using commonplace equipment, a la meth. 1562119;1478105327;PeterL;depends on if there is an easy starting material, I'm still reading up on it 1562120;1478105655;phf;you ever seen that dmt guide 1562121;1478105715;asciilifeform;phf: there is enough deadtree-era 'underground' pseudoscientific literature on 'dope cooking' to fill book case. most of it of dubious quality, approaching 'anarchist's cookbook', rather than what normal people think of as chemistry 1562122;1478105736;phf;right 1562123;1478105757;asciilifeform;but it is not worthless, school book does not discuss how to refine postindustrial rubbish from shops, utilize junkyard metal for the synthesis pots, etc. 1562124;1478105769;asciilifeform;the 'underground' crapola - does. 1562125;1478105800;phf;hmm, pretty sure the image is explicitly filtered out by google now :o 1562126;1478105817;asciilifeform;for fucks sake, what isn't filtered 1562127;1478105831;jurov;qntrola distributed 1562128;1478105864;phf;used to be one of the first image hits for "dmt synthesis", a screenshot of a chanboard poast of making dmta "out of household objects" 1562129;1478105869;asciilifeform;but this is good time to note that postindustrial junkyard wars chemistry, as every other craft, differs substantially from the 'you can get any starting material you like by drawing it on paper' schoolbook chem. 1562130;1478105944;phf;hehe, trying to find it now though i get some really nice results e.g. http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/dmt2.jpg 1562131;1478105983;shinohai;!~google Walter White's blue meth recipe 1562132;1478105984;jhvh1;shinohai: A Comprehensive Guide to Cooking Meth on 'Breaking Bad' | VICE ...: ; Breaking Bad Fact vs Fiction: Walter White's Secret Formula: ; Blue Sky | Breaking Bad Wiki | Fandom powered by Wikia: (1 more message) 1562133;1478106257;shinohai;Also, ty jurov 1562134;1478106257;asciilifeform;PeterL et al : did we ever do the brute-force synthesis thread ? 1562135;1478106274;PeterL;perhaps, what are we synthesizing? 1562136;1478106280;phf;yes we did 1562137;1478106288;asciilifeform;phf: can haz link ? 1562138;1478106519;phf;failing to find it so far, i think it's the one where we talked about looking through dirt for useful synths and how nobody is doing it (but when they do they get mad gains) 1562139;1478106533;asciilifeform;nono this is different one 1562140;1478106540;asciilifeform;let's illustrate : 1562141;1478106548;asciilifeform;recall how to make nitric acid from air & water ? 1562142;1478106563;asciilifeform;(you could do it simply with what is in your room where you sit right now) 1562143;1478106617;phf;no, but i suppose electricity is involved 1562144;1478106622;asciilifeform;aha. 1562145;1478106625;asciilifeform;same as in thunderstorm. 1562146;1478106652;asciilifeform;put an arc through the raw materials, if there is any thermodynamically-plausible path to the end product, you will find some in the tube. 1562147;1478106668;asciilifeform;it is not an ~economical~ way to make (almost) anything. 1562148;1478106671;asciilifeform;but illustrative. 1562149;1478106688;asciilifeform;what if you ~do not care~ how much electric arc you use ? because mains current is cheap and fungible. 1562150;1478106705;asciilifeform;sorta like how makers of mining asic, to a certain point, do not care about error rate 1562151;1478106731;phf;right 1562152;1478106771;PeterL;not a very selective way of doing things though 1562153;1478106786;asciilifeform;well the selection would have to happen on the purification end. 1562154;1478106841;asciilifeform;where one might conceivably employ another riotously -ev but simple crackpottery, laser separator 1562155;1478106850;asciilifeform;think 'ir spectrometer' but with motion. 1562156;1478106877;PeterL;blast it and see what you get out kinda thing? 1562157;1478106883;phf;wait, i'm missing the punchline. i guess brute force here means, that you don't have an optimal process, but rather exploit given environment to achieve objective no matter what? 1562158;1478106893;asciilifeform;phf: correct. 1562159;1478106897;PeterL;what would be the purpose of this? 1562160;1478106908;asciilifeform;PeterL: very limited applications 1562161;1478106914;asciilifeform;largely involving circumventing chemical bans. 1562162;1478106930;asciilifeform;(on whatever you need - abortifacent, performance dope, poison, antidote, antibiotic, etc) 1562163;1478106997;asciilifeform;(note what is not on the list - it is doubtful that you can make a usable explosive this way. thought! you can make nitric acid, even now, using it. and from that, it is a day's work to dynamite or whatever.) 1562164;1478107020;PeterL;it would still be much easier to generate a synthetic pathway from what is available 1562165;1478107032;asciilifeform;it is a gedankenexperiment, and likely not justified for almost any current scenario. 1562166;1478107040;asciilifeform;but more useful as 'fleet in being' 1562167;1478107059;PeterL;have you ever done separations of organics trying to get a very low percentage product into something usable? 1562168;1478107068;asciilifeform;PeterL: problem is that your solution is not a Final Solution 1562169;1478107086;asciilifeform;in that the 'cat and mouse' game continues, you come up with path, and usg bans formerly commonplace household crud, etc. 1562170;1478107092;asciilifeform;a final solution - ends this process. 1562171;1478107103;PeterL;until you go all the way back to common starting materials, then it is final solution 1562172;1478107104;asciilifeform;permanently. 1562173;1478107154;asciilifeform;PeterL: you would be surprised at what commonplace thing can be abolished by great inca. i was astonished, after moving to usa, that you cannot buy potassium permanganate in drug store here. 1562174;1478107167;asciilifeform;because oh noez. 1562175;1478107290;PeterL;so we need a sort of "frozen" archive of "how to make X, which you need to make Y", sort of like how trb has frozen deps 1562176;1478107334;asciilifeform;PeterL: as you well know, the actual body of knowledge that is needed, has never really been written down, because it is at least partly a 'seat of the pants' craft, like flying jets 1562177;1478107360;asciilifeform;and afaik nobody has seriously considered attempting to write it. 1562178;1478107360;PeterL;yes, I have thought about this 1562179;1478107408;PeterL;you end up needing something like wikipedia to hold it all 1562180;1478107415;asciilifeform;lolwut 1562181;1478107422;asciilifeform;how the fuck do you write down ~hand skills~ 1562182;1478107450;PeterL;I mean, not specifically wikipedia, just there are a lot of topics that each connect to one another 1562183;1478107474;asciilifeform;and the feedstock problem is not escapable in postindustrial world. e.g., one can make nitric acid from, say, copper sulfate, saltpetre, and water. but where in the forest do i dig up copper sulfate ? 1562184;1478107483;PeterL;write down skills with words, how else? arn't we literate people? 1562185;1478107528;PeterL;have article in megabook describing geology and identification of minerals 1562186;1478107540;asciilifeform;PeterL: would you fly as passenger in a mig that i offer you a ride in after reading 'how to mig' b0000k by, say, mthreat ? 1562187;1478107608;PeterL;I assume that postapocalypse world you start by building small plane, learn to fly that, before moving onto mig 1562188;1478107635;asciilifeform;point here is that - sadly - not everything is susceptible to the written-word treatment. 1562189;1478108358;asciilifeform;PeterL: recall the 'copper caves' thread ? identification of minerals 'in the wild' was useful skill in 1700s. 1562190;1478108363;asciilifeform;today - not so much. 1562191;1478108438;asciilifeform;minerals live in 1) the shops, while supplies last and 2) in junkyard. 1562192;1478108494;PeterL;so have article on identifying minerals in junkyard? 1562193;1478108506;asciilifeform;there is some of this. 1562194;1478108549;asciilifeform;i once encountered an entire monograph on the drilling, rifling, and tempering of barrels made specifically from old truck axles. 1562195;1478108564;asciilifeform;(they, or so it was claimed, are perfect alloy for the purpose) 1562196;1478108613;PeterL;I suspect this would depend on the year of the truck? 1562197;1478108625;asciilifeform;almost entire 20th c. 1562198;1478108640;*;PeterL is not metalurgist, does not know how much variation goes into these things 1562199;1478108657;asciilifeform;point is not 'top metallurgy', but that the axle beats any kind of iron you can smelt in your cellar. 1562200;1478108741;*;asciilifeform is of the - admittedly armchair - notion that 'backyard artillerists' oughta focus on rockets, lower pressure, better... 'bang for buck' 1562201;1478108755;ben_vulpes;no this is an excellent idea 1562202;1478108780;ben_vulpes;as evidenced by the usg-blessed rocketry associations insistent whine that rockets may only go up. 1562203;1478108784;asciilifeform;anyone with a drill press, for instance, can make 'gyrojet'-style projectile 1562204;1478108795;asciilifeform;where the jets were simply angularly-drilled openings. 1562205;1478108816;PeterL;gyrojet is so futuristic weapon, shame it didn't make the cut 1562206;1478108831;asciilifeform;PeterL: it compared poorly with ordinary luger. 1562207;1478108840;*;ben_vulpes rather fond of simple barrages over gyrojet projectiles 1562208;1478108842;asciilifeform;but it is a ~perfect 'cellar' weapon 1562209;1478108852;asciilifeform;needs 0 advanced metallurgy. 1562210;1478108857;asciilifeform;nor rifled barrels. 1562211;1478108863;PeterL;should have made round slightly bigger, allow carrying explosive to target 1562212;1478108868;asciilifeform;and can be of any calibre you like, with 0 recoil. 1562213;1478108894;ben_vulpes;PeterL: what, kinetics not enough? 1562214;1478108911;ben_vulpes;trade the explosive for a bit of mass and a bit more propellant. 1562215;1478108920;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: some applications call for thermite. 1562216;1478108935;PeterL;IIRC, they were slightly too big and fell under the "dangerous weapons" regulations anyway, should have gone all the way to mini-rpg 1562217;1478108947;asciilifeform;'may as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb' aha. 1562218;1478108957;ben_vulpes;the 'g' of grenade is a shameful waste of mass budget imho. 1562219;1478108960;ben_vulpes;er 1562220;1478108963;ben_vulpes;'g' of rpg 1562221;1478108977;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in atmosphere, 'v' only gets you so far. 1562222;1478108990;asciilifeform;as mega-rocketeer, you oughta know that 1562223;1478108990;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: what application for thermite, armor? 1562224;1478108996;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: antimateriel in general. 1562225;1478109039;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: as systems engineer, charges are complex, and 'simple' 'v' that 'doesn't get me that far' gets me pretty far. 1562226;1478109050;ben_vulpes;numbers, the rest. 1562227;1478109118;PeterL;ben_vulpes wants a 'rpp'? rocket-propelled projectile? 1562228;1478109152;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-17#1556132 << see thread 1562229;1478109152;a111;Logged on 2016-10-17 05:10 mircea_popescu: no, you can't do that, because air friction. 1562230;1478109161;asciilifeform;drag goes up nonlinearly with v. 1562231;1478109176;asciilifeform;which is why rifle bullets are not the size of grains of rice 1562232;1478109193;asciilifeform;(it is possible to make such a thing) 1562233;1478109203;thestringpuller;this is exactly why guys in suits show up to your front door if you launch a multistage "model rocket" from your back yard 1562234;1478109243;asciilifeform;launch anything visible from nearest airport in usa, and have problems. 1562235;1478109304;asciilifeform;Great Inca owns, in case anyone missed the memo, not only land, sea, but air. 1562236;1478109334;thestringpuller;luckily you don't have to go through great lengths to bribe local county airport in bumfuck no where 1562237;1478109368;thestringpuller;which ironically in th elocale legend a farmer launched a two stage rocket into the sea from here 1562238;1478109373;asciilifeform;if you're 'in nowhere' just launch from the woods, neh? 1562239;1478109405;ben_vulpes;nobody shows up at any doors, sheesh 1562240;1478109421;asciilifeform;incidentally this possibility is a perennial thorn in the side of usg, and they keep coming up with crackpot mega-surveillance schemes against it, most recently the ill-fated $2B balloon 1562241;1478109429;asciilifeform;(which was to photograph ~entire east coast of usa) 1562242;1478109479;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'nobody' shows up at any door -- until they do. 1562243;1478109485;asciilifeform;a la 'silk road' idiots etc. 1562244;1478109500;thestringpuller;well silk road idiots didn't follow the book of jeezy 1562245;1478109544;thestringpuller;i.e. "You're the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope." 1562246;1478109550;asciilifeform;and when you helpfully light the way for gasenwagen with gigantic flare above your door.. 1562247;1478109577;thestringpuller;just cause you can buy weight from the comfort of your mom's basement does not mean you have capacity to sling said dope on street. 1562248;1478109666;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: re: woods << wasn't this the premise of October Sky (the rocket boys?!?) from West VA back in the 50's? 1562249;1478109732;asciilifeform;'Homer Hickam stated that "Universal Studios marketing people got involved and they just had to change the title because, according to their research, women over thirty would never see a movie titled Rocket Boys"...' << l0l!! 1562250;1478109836;PeterL;I've never made a multi-stage rocket, but me and my kids made a rocket out of a soda bottle and powered it with isopropanol, that was pretty fun 1562251;1478114156;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562113 << that's silly. penis is already dangerous impurity enough. 1562252;1478114156;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 16:46 PeterL: If I were a woman, I don't think I would trust the purity of something made in somebodies garage to not have dangerous impurities 1562253;1478114449;mircea_popescu;(to be clear : 14F catheter is inserted in the lus (lower uterine segment). the baloon is then inflated to ~5ml, and under light traction 100ml of 0.15% solutin in introduced as drip over 10 minutes. no antibiotics needed, abortion occurs within hours.) 1562254;1478114843;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562138 << that was http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Teixobactin 1562255;1478114843;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:08 phf: failing to find it so far, i think it's the one where we talked about looking through dirt for useful synths and how nobody is doing it (but when they do they get mad gains) 1562256;1478114864;trinque;asciilifeform: http://news.softpedia.com/news/russian-president-vladimir-putin-wants-microsoft-out-of-the-country-509902.shtml << hey alf, pootie tang heard you. 1562257;1478114948;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562147 << it is, or at least was, the explanation of "how life begun". nevertheless, this method fails amply for organic compounds : fill a tube with a all the organic compounds you can think dilute in the same solvent, run electrictity through it, congrats you have some lightly chlorinated toilet water. 1562258;1478114948;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:11 asciilifeform: it is not an ~economical~ way to make (almost) anything. 1562259;1478115076;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562159 << he was born in soviet russia. there isn't a purpose, just, electricity is all he's got besides "the power of the soviets", and while neither can fill a hand before pissing in it would, nevertheless at least electricity DOES SOMETHING. 1562260;1478115076;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:14 PeterL: what would be the purpose of this? 1562261;1478115204;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562173 << i wanted to show girls the thing (it's fucking pretty, innit ?) these idiots don't even know what it IS. i mean, pharmacists. they go to medical school here. NO FUCKING IDEA! 1562262;1478115204;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:19 asciilifeform: PeterL: you would be surprised at what commonplace thing can be abolished by great inca. i was astonished, after moving to usa, that you cannot buy potassium permanganate in drug store here. 1562263;1478115236;mircea_popescu;fucking savagery. and it probably started "for your own good", as these things always go. 1562264;1478115262;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562175 << this is not even half a bad idea. bonus : works natively on v lol. 1562265;1478115262;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:21 PeterL: so we need a sort of "frozen" archive of "how to make X, which you need to make Y", sort of like how trb has frozen deps 1562266;1478115309;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562181 << same way you teach white chicks to twerk and black chicks to handjob. 1562267;1478115309;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:23 asciilifeform: how the fuck do you write down ~hand skills~ 1562268;1478115443;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562183 << afaik copper sulphate is one of the naturally occuring presentations. it comesa as mix of carbonate, phosphate and some oxides. 1562269;1478115443;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:24 asciilifeform: and the feedstock problem is not escapable in postindustrial world. e.g., one can make nitric acid from, say, copper sulfate, saltpetre, and water. but where in the forest do i dig up copper sulfate ? 1562270;1478115533;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562257 << did i not put in caveat, 'if there is any thermodynamically-plausible path to the end product' ! 1562271;1478115533;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 19:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562147 << it is, or at least was, the explanation of "how life begun". nevertheless, this method fails amply for organic compounds : fill a tube with a all the organic compounds you can think dilute in the same solvent, run electrictity through it, congrats you have some lightly chlorinated toilet water. 1562272;1478115564;mircea_popescu;yes but most organics are not "thermodynamically plausible" to use your terminology, making it misguiding. put caveat "if it's not organic, or interesting (ie explosives)" 1562273;1478115569;mircea_popescu;then it's a good caveat. 1562274;1478115571;asciilifeform;and naively, it does resemble 'break rsa key with random bit guess'. but you would be surprised at what ends up where an arc has been. 1562275;1478115574;asciilifeform;even chiralane. 1562276;1478115579;mircea_popescu;sure. 1562277;1478115598;mircea_popescu;it's actually diagnosis for spark : looking for weird. 1562278;1478115613;mircea_popescu;(in some ind processes, the "was there a spark" is mn dollar question post disaster) 1562279;1478115915;asciilifeform;'“We don’t spy on anyone. We don’t work with any government to spy on others and we never would,” Dominic Carr, General Manager of Public Affairs at Microsoft, said.' << gold 1562280;1478115922;mircea_popescu;lol. 1562281;1478115940;mircea_popescu;remember jerry : it's not lying, if YOU believe it! 1562282;1478116062;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562259 << betcha that one could budge the otherwise astronomically-unfavourable equilibria with modulated arc, or something else unavailable to ancestors. 1562283;1478116062;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 19:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562159 << he was born in soviet russia. there isn't a purpose, just, electricity is all he's got besides "the power of the soviets", and while neither can fill a hand before pissing in it would, nevertheless at least electricity DOES SOMETHING. 1562284;1478116068;asciilifeform;or not. but is certainly worth a shot. 1562285;1478116072;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1562286;1478116085;mircea_popescu;if you're gonna do that better off doing resonant cavity em 1562287;1478116094;asciilifeform;well yes 1562288;1478116097;asciilifeform;a la klystron. 1562289;1478116117;asciilifeform;have organic crapolade mechanically separate self by nmr spectra, or something similarly outrageous. 1562290;1478116119;mircea_popescu;in ~principle~ all chemistry as practiced now could be changed to phys-chem through the process of, put substance inside magical cavity, shoot the right beams at the right atoms. 1562291;1478116124;mircea_popescu;hence your laser suggestion in thread. 1562292;1478116129;asciilifeform;btw you can buy 1T+ permanent magnet aggregates now. 1562293;1478116131;asciilifeform;(and since '90s) 1562294;1478116147;asciilifeform;desktop nmr, sans cryogens. 1562295;1478116150;mircea_popescu;but this technology is 50 years away, idiots are too busy making "3d guns" out of the practical equivalent of a large plastic coathanger injector and other stencils. 1562296;1478116157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. 1562297;1478116167;asciilifeform;with the right hands it is 50 months, or 50 days away. 1562298;1478116173;asciilifeform;like ~anything. 1562299;1478116176;mircea_popescu;it's gonna be the "surprising nobody could have predicted what will those zany scientist kids think of next" of our old age. 1562300;1478116207;mircea_popescu;and we'll be all "oh, good thing you did the rape thing first then mkay. THAT was the emergency" 1562301;1478116229;asciilifeform;first we do the rape, then - the ape. 1562302;1478116245;asciilifeform;(in the somewhat cryptic words of ilkka k.) 1562303;1478116412;asciilifeform;re '3d gun' folk, it boggles my mind that they ignore 'gyrojet' 1562304;1478116429;asciilifeform;which theoretically lets you make the entire orchestra, gun, barrel, bullet, from soft aluminum. 1562305;1478116433;mircea_popescu;this entire "elective" driver for human activity is the pits. 1562306;1478116437;mircea_popescu;they'll only do what they can cluck about. 1562307;1478116465;mircea_popescu;human civilisation was built by very intelligent, special, sensitive doods DOING WHAT THEY WERE MOTHERFUCKING TOLD 1562308;1478116468;PeterL;at my previous employer there was an equipment showcase, bunch of vendors showing off new stuff, one guy brought a shoebox sized nmr, blew my mind a bit 1562309;1478116474;mircea_popescu;not by them polling their inside state at 5kHz 1562310;1478116525;asciilifeform;PeterL: didja pop the cover on it? what does one need to make it ? 1562311;1478116566;PeterL;didn't get to put my hands inside 1562312;1478116578;asciilifeform;PeterL: then what led you to believe that it works ? 1562313;1478116587;asciilifeform;and not a 'magic wand'. 1562314;1478116634;PeterL;seemed like it was limited in application, would be ok for some sorts of process management or something, completely useless for what I was doing 1562315;1478116660;asciilifeform;limited how ? 1562316;1478116684;PeterL;If I remember correctly, low resolution 1562317;1478116713;PeterL;basically it was like a 100 MHz, I only use 500 and up 1562318;1478116822;PeterL;it could work with a flow cell, which would be cool for monitoring a process, but the low resolution would make it very bad for identification work 1562319;1478117849;mircea_popescu;you can technically use 7 or so to get 500 1562320;1478117859;mircea_popescu;seeing how even thz timers aren't expensive. 1562321;1478117946;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you need higher field strength for higher f. 1562322;1478117965;asciilifeform;for meaningful signal. 1562323;1478117977;mircea_popescu;guess there's also that. 1562324;1478117988;asciilifeform;hence the monster machines with liquid he etc. 1562325;1478118003;mircea_popescu;yeah. just, you know, the miniaturization itself is important. 1562326;1478118050;mircea_popescu;i mean "the miniaturization is important in itself", ie, even if obviously won't work to move large bodies, it's integral to the magical cavity. 1562327;1478118084;asciilifeform;the business end of nmr box was never large. 1562328;1478118096;asciilifeform;(there is variant where it is man-sized, it is sold as 'mri') 1562329;1478118127;mircea_popescu;aha 1562330;1478118277;thestringpuller;looking through my research there doesn't seem to be a conclusion to hardware RNG thread 1562331;1478118298;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what kind of conclusion did you have in mind ? 1562332;1478118298;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562186 << yes, actually. guy is a competent (if self-taught) engine engineer. in between him and the various trainers he had, he's the sane mind i've seen. 1562333;1478118298;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:25 asciilifeform: PeterL: would you fly as passenger in a mig that i offer you a ride in after reading 'how to mig' b0000k by, say, mthreat ? 1562334;1478118317;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: trainers don't simply hand 'patient' a book.. 1562335;1478118333;mircea_popescu;really ? 1562336;1478118351;mircea_popescu;would you want someone working on trb on the basis of having read the book or on the basis of having watched "the videos" ? 1562337;1478118363;asciilifeform;really, one studies in 2-seat machine, grunting out exercises 1562338;1478118369;asciilifeform;~while~ reading book also, yes. 1562339;1478118403;mircea_popescu;there is a thin sliver of stuff your training is useful for ; but most accidents, including with planes, including with controlled flight into terrain, come from not having read the book. 1562340;1478118425;asciilifeform;this - yes 1562341;1478118440;mircea_popescu;note that the place where good training would have helped (concorde crashed into hotel ; smolensk lulz ; etc), the training though present didn't do anything, and nobody thought it proper to blame anyone for this. 1562342;1478118441;asciilifeform;i was thinking more of the basics that folks learn 'with spinal cord' in training. 1562343;1478118441;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: not conclusion, more "direction toward edible turd" vs "eat the mystery meat" re: << http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-29#694660 1562344;1478118441;a111;Logged on 2014-05-29 17:55 asciilifeform: i really can't fathom the purpose of buying a mystery meat hardware rng. if you're willing to eat mystery meat, why not use the vlsi turd found in current cpu? 1562345;1478118530;thestringpuller;i'd rather attempt at raising my own shitty veal rather than continuing to eat mystery meat until end of lie 1562346;1478118533;thestringpuller;life* 1562347;1478118538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform name one such basic. "don't suck through your nose from reagent bottle" ? 1562348;1478118538;hanbot;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161102/#279 << incredible collection of idiot euphemisms on that page. "provides vertically integrated production", srsly?! also, attempted to make some preserves of it with archive.is, which is broken/dead/? atm, so here's another bitchlog on that ongoing fire.... 1562349;1478118539;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-02: [15:46:51] the cuban wiki entry is fucking hysterical. lengthy discussion of the shitty jobs the dork did in college. how come none of these go "and then he took rhetorics with elena dragos and was the only one to get a b in any of her classes that decade" 1562350;1478118559;mircea_popescu;hanbot pretty epic isn't he. 1562351;1478118602;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/62PUQ << apparently it worked alright, supposing you hit it ~10 mins ago ? 1562352;1478118615;hanbot;well in the same manner as'd be a museum of vinyl siding, sure. 1562353;1478118631;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how to properly separate layers, for instance. how to boil without 'bumping'. various things that sound braindamagedly simple but many folks fuck up somehow. 1562354;1478118644;mircea_popescu;all of these are temp skills. 1562355;1478118645;hanbot;oh hey, i made it but can't load it. huzzah. 1562356;1478118661;mircea_popescu;you don't handboil anymore ; there's magnetic stirrers specifically because of this skill being expensive. etc. 1562357;1478118682;asciilifeform;magnetic stirrer does not magic away the hand skill. 1562358;1478118695;asciilifeform;this is precisely the kind of notion which gets people into chemical mess. 1562359;1478118704;mircea_popescu;the way it works is, two chunks of hardware that have to be interfaced are briefly interfaced by biofilm, until a proper solution is put in place. 1562360;1478118708;asciilifeform;just like, incidentally, the notion that cnc magicked away machining skill. 1562361;1478118735;asciilifeform;in practice, none of this happened, it only happened in the imagination of folks who only see the results on paper. 1562362;1478118750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suppose i missed all those steam pressure gauges in cars etc. 1562363;1478118770;mircea_popescu;that it doesn't happen all the time, or within a short enough interval doesn't change the fact that it's the one mode of industry. 1562364;1478118786;mircea_popescu;at some point oil was carried by barrel. then by trainload. then piped. 1562365;1478118788;asciilifeform;this is not to say that nothing is ever usefully automated. just that we aren't at the 'wish and it happens!!11' level for, e.g., organiking. 1562366;1478118794;mircea_popescu;surely not. yet. 1562367;1478118835;asciilifeform;as for airplanes, i recently read, for instance, an entertaining piece, 'stick and rudder', classic, by one w. langewiesche. but if you wanted to fly in an airplane, i would still recommend going with davout at the wheel, or mthreat, rather than asciilifeform . 1562368;1478118850;mircea_popescu;if they're there. 1562369;1478118857;asciilifeform;because there is such a thing as practical craft. 1562370;1478118869;mircea_popescu;when i first got laid i had nobody there to show me how it's done so i made do as best i could. 1562371;1478118872;mircea_popescu;woman helped, in fairness. 1562372;1478118948;asciilifeform;incidentally, wright airplane steered by bending wings, this is another item that could be reintroduced in small flying machines that keep popping up in threads here, 'because we now have computer', but afaik has not been. 1562373;1478118981;mircea_popescu;the problem is material quality. they'd cost ~1mn, which is not what people wanna pay for cessna. they wanna pay 100k, and they do. 1562374;1478119017;asciilifeform;it would only be a mega-win in plastic (yes) airplane. 1562375;1478119039;asciilifeform;wrights - had no plastic. they had wood, and wood flexes well, but glue does not. 1562376;1478119047;mircea_popescu;aha. 1562377;1478119057;asciilifeform;plastic 'cessna', 10k. 1562378;1478119065;mircea_popescu;"intelligent" plastic (ie, with electric bending cell infrastructure) would be pretty cool 1562379;1478119070;asciilifeform;steer hydraulicly, bend wings from inside. 1562380;1478119070;mircea_popescu;also just as expensive as discussed. 1562381;1478119072;asciilifeform;like a cock. 1562382;1478119081;mircea_popescu;o hey, iraqis are in mosul huh! 1562383;1478119085;asciilifeform;no intelligent anything. just cavernous hydraulic cock wings. 1562384;1478119107;asciilifeform;who was in mosul before ? eskimos ? 1562385;1478119111;mircea_popescu;isis. 1562386;1478119114;asciilifeform;aah 1562387;1478119116;mircea_popescu;since 2014 1562388;1478119125;mircea_popescu;aaand teh turks are getting restless. 1562389;1478119129;asciilifeform;changed hands for 1st time since then ?? 1562390;1478119153;mircea_popescu;hasn't changed hands yet, but arguably the iraqis are edging into actual city. 1562391;1478119384;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562351 << thing is under epic ddos or wat. 1562392;1478119384;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 20:30 mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/62PUQ << apparently it worked alright, supposing you hit it ~10 mins ago ? 1562393;1478119395;asciilifeform;i get a 'loading...' spinner, forever. 1562394;1478119407;mircea_popescu;must be 1562395;1478119418;asciilifeform;i have never even ~seen~ this spinner prior. 1562396;1478119433;asciilifeform;(did somebody walk away with the domain..?) 1562397;1478119504;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562200 << i dunno there's any dispute re this, here. or outside. 1562398;1478119504;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:45 asciilifeform is of the - admittedly armchair - notion that 'backyard artillerists' oughta focus on rockets, lower pressure, better... 'bang for buck' 1562399;1478119531;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa. 1562400;1478119552;asciilifeform;american 'basement artillerists' almost inevitably fixate on small arms 'just like grandfather's' 1562401;1478119571;mircea_popescu;im sure zimbabweans from actual zimbabwe do even funnier shit 1562402;1478119593;asciilifeform;orcs tend to be practical folk. witness, e.g., palestine, even there - they understand rocket. 1562403;1478119610;asciilifeform;and that a handmade rocket is more accurate, makes bigger and cheaper hole, than trying out medieval musketry. 1562404;1478119639;mircea_popescu;aha 1562405;1478119648;mircea_popescu;not everyone's quite as castrated as "civilised" folk, you could say. 1562406;1478119667;mircea_popescu;"and what have you learned in the city, billy bob ?" "oh ma, i have learned how to fail before i even try!" 1562407;1478119712;asciilifeform;i'm not even convinced that it is about castration - the 'actiony' types are just as fixated, they would sincerely rather make a crappy aluminum musket that eventually kills himself and whoever stands next, than a perfectly serviceable rocket. 1562408;1478119741;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562239 << people love the hope! hence okcupid. 1562409;1478119741;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:56 ben_vulpes: nobody shows up at any doors, sheesh 1562410;1478119762;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how is that not castrated ? 1562411;1478119776;mircea_popescu;the difference between the placid capon and the overactive to mask impotence capon is not substantial. 1562412;1478119782;thestringpuller;people still use okcupid now that tindr exists? 1562413;1478119801;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: willingness to depart from routine is orthogonal to virility. 1562414;1478119829;mircea_popescu;not orthogonal. 1562415;1478120231;mircea_popescu;and in other illustrative shapes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/144503737e83614fc6a604fad5072e71/tumblr_n9zc9frpX01sl0njeo1_1280.jpg 1562416;1478120243;mircea_popescu;"i want it to just fit" 1562417;1478120316;thestringpuller;grade a badonkadonk 1562418;1478120872;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1562419;1478120880;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 727.44, vol: 4634.84882059 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 721.9, vol: 4557.80835 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 734.49, vol: 8993.49784423 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 739.0158, vol: 716127.11400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 731.27, vol: 1419.68811149 | Volume-weighted last average: 738.766576406 1562420;1478125087;BingoBoingo; who was in mosul before ? eskimos ? << Assyrians 1562421;1478125158;BingoBoingo; people still use okcupid now that tindr exists? << mp doesn't have a guide to beating tindr 1562422;1478125422;mircea_popescu;which one is tindr ? the gay app thing ? 1562423;1478125505;thestringpuller;my bad it's tinder. grindr is the gay app thing 1562424;1478125516;thestringpuller;but grindr is actually used more now for drug dealing iirc 1562425;1478125525;BingoBoingo;lol 1562426;1478125594;mircea_popescu;historically gayness was mostly used for drug dealing in the first place. 1562427;1478125619;ben_vulpes;what historic drugs are we talking about? 1562428;1478125625;ben_vulpes;opium? 1562429;1478125641;mircea_popescu;anything that gets you high, man 1562430;1478125644;mircea_popescu;+ muscle relaxants 1562431;1478125647;mircea_popescu;+ disco hair products. 1562432;1478125672;ben_vulpes;i guess the argument kinda falls apart on 'historic' grounds, 'gayness' not being much of a thing pre late 1800s 1562433;1478125680;mircea_popescu;of course it was. 1562434;1478125690;ben_vulpes;qua "men who only have sex with other men"? 1562435;1478125702;mircea_popescu;yes. take say rochester. 1562436;1478125855;ben_vulpes;and you'll say that my cursory research finding that he slept with a few ladies to be entirely wrong? 1562437;1478125879;mircea_popescu;well, the notion that gayness is incompatible with that IS very much a late 1800s thing. 1562438;1478125911;*;ben_vulpes points at the fifth line up 1562439;1478125916;mircea_popescu;would you say a woman that also fucks plastic isn't heterosexual ? 1562440;1478125946;ben_vulpes;no, i'd say that "historic drugs" fits quite nicely into the same time window as "gay = only fucks men" 1562441;1478125968;mircea_popescu;especially if you define "drugs" as "what the people who think gay = only fucks men would think drugs are" 1562442;1478125974;ben_vulpes;hence my question! 1562443;1478125985;mircea_popescu;well i didn't realise you were begging it! 1562444;1478126022;mircea_popescu;anyway. drugs pre industrialisation are ~= alcohol. 1562445;1478126027;ben_vulpes;yeah. 1562446;1478126054;ben_vulpes;and not even the high proof stuff at that. 1562447;1478126098;mircea_popescu;depends, they drank all sorts of swill. including jerez port absynth whatnot. 1562448;1478126159;mircea_popescu;basically, the whole medieval period lived on hobo wine. cheap, sweetened, etc. the exact thing, midnight thunder or w/e it's called. 1562449;1478126197;ben_vulpes;i was a few centuries off on stills. 1562450;1478126203;mircea_popescu;except in the north where wine dun grow the poor drank beer. 1562451;1478126218;shinohai;I always imagined they were drinking Night Train in The Name of the Rose. 1562452;1478126232;mircea_popescu;very likely correct. though some northern monasteries did brew beer. 1562453;1478126265;mircea_popescu;(note that medieval beer has no hops, as a result doesn't keep, it's a lot closer to braga than what passes for beer today) 1562454;1478126334;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes cognac, ie the first distilled spirit, is about half a millenium old by now. 1562455;1478126445;mircea_popescu;!~google vital du four benefits armagnac 1562456;1478126446;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: France vaunts '40 virtues' of Armagnac | The Independent: ; Armagnac (brandy) - Wikipedia: ; The Virtues of Armagnac - Life At The Table: 1562457;1478126459;mircea_popescu;heh k. 1562458;1478127765;BingoBoingo; basically, the whole medieval period lived on hobo wine. cheap, sweetened, etc. the exact thing, midnight thunder or w/e it's called. << Thunderbird, Night Train, Mad Dog, Wild Irish Rose, and Cisco. RIP Ripple. 1562459;1478127777;mircea_popescu;aha 1562460;1478127800;BingoBoingo;Mad Dog doesn't really count anymore since they "rebranded" with blig. 1562461;1478127803;BingoBoingo;*bling 1562462;1478127910;BingoBoingo;This was illustrated as the most fair thing. Elliot discovering Thunderbird and becoming a Chief. Given his excess of will and manner of drinking it was inevitable. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/10/29/is-so-unfair-cycle-12-fairness-strikes/ 1562463;1478127928;BingoBoingo;Just so long as a plot kept Elliot's will from making him an hero. 1562464;1478128017;BingoBoingo;Anyways Make Great, Great Again. A bunch of hillary supporters burned a black church and wrote "Vote Trump" on it to mobilize the black vote. 1562465;1478128086;thestringpuller;^- hahahahaha Da scam keeps on scammin 1562466;1478131126;BingoBoingo;Make Great Great Again: "You’re hardly irresponsible with your funds. You’re saving a decent sum of money and working on paying down debt. As for your company: It sounds like it won’t be a lifetime job. You can easily permit yourself the spending on your cat." << https://archive.is/thWwo 1562467;1478131468;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it's dead 1562468;1478131514;BingoBoingo;Where else from http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_bills/2016/11/ask_the_bills_i_m_still_in_debt_thanks_to_my_sickly_cat.html 1562469;1478131634;asciilifeform;colt health & life insurance corp. 1562470;1478131735;*;asciilifeform reads sticker under elbow: 'prohibited the machine start of no water' (followed by buncha hieroglyphs) 1562471;1478131749;asciilifeform;she cow pig had kittens!! 1562472;1478131777;BingoBoingo;lol 1562473;1478131873;BingoBoingo;Colt Property, But Mostly Casualty Inc. 1562474;1478131903;asciilifeform;colt retirement fund co. 1562475;1478131926;asciilifeform;the american way!111 1562476;1478132290;mircea_popescu;the reading of impossible without the garden. 1562477;1478133036;*;BingoBoingo glad satoshi called it the wallet and not the purse. Imagines "How to cut the purse strings" on Trilema. 1562478;1478133068;mircea_popescu;lol for srs 1562479;1478133095;*;BingoBoingo waits for inevitable Trilema of that title now. 1562480;1478133256;mircea_popescu;it's evitable. 1562481;1478133294;hanbot;("it's evitable", however, probably isn't) 1562482;1478133318;mircea_popescu;screw you guise, i'm going to bed. 1562483;1478133472;mod6;finally caught up :] 1562484;1478133483;mircea_popescu;welcome among the current, mod6 :D 1562485;1478133495;mod6;aha, ty! 1562486;1478133641;BingoBoingo;it was evitable until mentioned. 1562487;1478133850;mod6;!%e trb 29 F "Redesign Wallet" "The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign. http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/ http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-cut-the-wallet/" 30 1562488;1478133879;mircea_popescu;pretty healthy pile of tickets in there. 1562489;1478133916;mod6;Yeah, some of these could be a bit reviewed/reorg'd 1562490;1478133922;mod6;!%p trb 29 1562491;1478133923;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 29, Type: F, Subject: Redesign Wallet, Antecedents: 30, Notes: The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign. http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/ http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-cut-the-wallet/ 1562492;1478133934;mircea_popescu;teh 29 F is open for discussion anyway. 1562493;1478133972;mod6;For sure. I do like how I can use the tickets to track discussions thus far though. Saved the foundation from needing the stenographer. 1562494;1478133981;mircea_popescu;pretty cool 1562495;1478134447;mod6;yah, at least for now... 1562496;1478134482;mod6;I like the idea of private projects too. Gotta dig into that maybe. 1562497;1478134497;mod6;It's not a huge leap to get there anyway. 1562498;1478134635;shinohai;evening mod6 o7 1562499;1478134797;mod6;hey shinohai o/ 1562500;1478134808;mod6;how goes? 1562501;1478134918;shinohai;Not bad here, on standby for the regrind and other things we discussed. Lots of thinking on the new trilema from today. 1562502;1478134936;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1562503;1478134942;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5089.04, vol: 1045625.83120000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5089.04 1562504;1478134969;mod6;shinohai: *nod* yeah lot to think about. 1562505;1478135601;shinohai;http://wjla.com/news/local/road-sign-hacked-to-say-crooked-hillary-is-a-expletive-vote-trump 1562506;1478141270;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/02/aga-refinery-party-danse-macabre/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - AGA Refinery Party: Danse Macabre 1562507;1478142139;asciilifeform;meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gears.jpg 1562508;1478142182;asciilifeform;^ no prizes for guessing how the cam was botched. but hey, learning exercise. 1562509;1478142227;asciilifeform;(and yes, the plank was of shitwood and warped from heat also) 1562510;1478142286;ben_vulpes;thin looking stuff 1562511;1478142294;ben_vulpes; /very/ pretty card, asciilifeform 1562512;1478142300;asciilifeform;lol 1562513;1478142321;asciilifeform;a very common su deck 1562514;1478142348;asciilifeform;(didja know, even ordinary playing cards are fuck-ugly in usa and brit world ??) 1562515;1478142368;ben_vulpes;old story mass produced blablabla 1562516;1478142381;asciilifeform;i have nfi why actually 1562517;1478142405;ben_vulpes;no taste to be had at any price? 1562518;1478142425;ben_vulpes;some of those teeth are very odd looking. 1562519;1478142435;ben_vulpes;is that from the warping? 1562520;1478142440;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: overcooked 1562521;1478142473;ben_vulpes;hm 1562522;1478142475;ben_vulpes;ic 1562523;1478142480;ben_vulpes;and you're doing this with a laser why? 1562524;1478142488;asciilifeform;it was a helloworld! 1562525;1478142501;ben_vulpes;ok ok 1562526;1478142513;ben_vulpes;what /are/ you cutting with the laser? 1562527;1478142535;asciilifeform;this will be described later. 1562528;1478142550;asciilifeform;btw since ben_vulpes asked, what's the cheap way to make gear ? 1562529;1478142565;ben_vulpes;what kind of application? 1562530;1478142587;asciilifeform;because afaik laser is the easiest + cheapest, supposing you can live with material that it cuts 1562531;1478142620;asciilifeform;there are, sadly, not so many uses for wooden or plexiglass gears. 1562532;1478142627;ben_vulpes;well, no, and "depends" 1562533;1478142639;asciilifeform;but if you have gigantic laser.. 1562534;1478142651;ben_vulpes;no you stop with that 1562535;1478142659;trinque;lol 1562536;1478142669;ben_vulpes;what application, asciilifeform 1562537;1478142696;asciilifeform;eh nm. 1562538;1478142716;ben_vulpes;perhaps giant wooden cog with mega reduction will serve asciilifeform's purposes! 1562539;1478142718;ben_vulpes;who is to know 1562540;1478142736;asciilifeform;ftr i am not making mechanical rsatron. 1562541;1478142737;asciilifeform;yet. 1562542;1478142771;ben_vulpes;get a temperature controllable oven, start with soft steel and harden it per the kindergarten heat treatment tables 1562543;1478142828;ben_vulpes;if yer really strapped for cash, get a propane "poofer" and a laser thermometer. 1562544;1478142840;ben_vulpes;'s how we did the bearing races on the fin can. 1562545;1478142850;asciilifeform;strapped for fireproof work surface. 1562546;1478142862;ben_vulpes;it's called a fucking driveway! 1562547;1478142873;asciilifeform;i've none. 1562548;1478142879;ben_vulpes;wut 1562549;1478142886;ben_vulpes;heart of the empire 1562550;1478142892;asciilifeform;i shit thee not 1562551;1478142897;ben_vulpes;the place to which all roads lead 1562552;1478142906;asciilifeform;i 'parallel-park' on motherfucking city street, yes 1562553;1478142921;ben_vulpes;seat of government from which eisenhower edicted that roads will be laid to all stoops 1562554;1478142928;ben_vulpes;and you nignogs don't have cement /driveways/? 1562555;1478142940;asciilifeform;fwiw, all the other houses on the street - do 1562556;1478142950;asciilifeform;(well, gravel, not cement) 1562557;1478142959;ben_vulpes;such imperium! 1562558;1478142987;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560685 1562559;1478142987;a111;Logged on 2016-10-31 17:27 asciilifeform: i always wondered if the very sad infrastructure in washington, a kind of frozen-in-time 1970s theme park, is at least partly on account of the expectation that anthill will be leveled 'any day' 1562560;1478142990;asciilifeform;i also pay 2-3x per square m. vs anyone else who lives here. because not-mortgaged. 1562561;1478143007;asciilifeform;this was in old thread, is not mega-newz. 1562562;1478143013;ben_vulpes;in any event, the controllable kiln/oven should be achievable. 1562563;1478143022;asciilifeform;not in a wooden shack, it isn't 1562564;1478143037;ben_vulpes;you don't even have a steel work table outside?! 1562565;1478143048;asciilifeform;nope 1562566;1478143059;asciilifeform;on what to put it, on earth that turns liquid when rains ? 1562567;1478143065;asciilifeform;(whole thing does..) 1562568;1478143086;asciilifeform;one time i bought a truckload of plinths, made a walking-path, it... sank. 1562569;1478143097;ben_vulpes;hold on a goddamn second 1562570;1478143107;ben_vulpes;plinths are ~2ft tall 1562571;1478143115;asciilifeform;these were 2 in. tall. 1562572;1478143123;ben_vulpes;that is most definitely not a plinth. 1562573;1478143139;asciilifeform;'twas what they had at the plinth shop, lel. 1562574;1478143145;ben_vulpes;i'd crucify the architect who tried to tell me that an ionian column could sit aesthetically o 2 inches of plinth. 1562575;1478143163;ben_vulpes;> plinth shop 1562576;1478143171;asciilifeform;no architects were harmed in the making of this production. 1562577;1478143178;asciilifeform;just an old miser and a bunch of shit masonry. 1562578;1478143192;ben_vulpes;"baliff? whack his architect." 1562579;1478143217;ben_vulpes;only tangentially relatedly, cheech and chong scrubbed the rape jokes from their classic albums. 1562580;1478143220;ben_vulpes;shame. 1562581;1478143520;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes carries half tonne plinths with own hands ? 1562582;1478143522;asciilifeform;or owns crane ? 1562583;1478143677;ben_vulpes;no but i also don't call that which isn't a plinth a plinth 1562584;1478143907;*;ben_vulpes still having trouble with the gravel driveway thing 1562585;1478143923;ben_vulpes;water company showed up the other day to relocate our meter 1562586;1478143934;ben_vulpes;left a gravel patch for ~3 days 1562587;1478143945;ben_vulpes;came back and tarred the thing down level with the rest of the driveway 1562588;1478144636;ben_vulpes;https://code.visualstudio.com/updates#_17-rollback 1562589;1478144653;ben_vulpes;"The feature was so great that we started to overload the npmjs.org service." 1562590;1478144662;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1562591;1478144686;asciilifeform;also since when does ben_vulpes use vs..? 1562592;1478144694;ben_vulpes;since never! 1562593;1478144706;asciilifeform;lolk 1562594;1478144712;ben_vulpes;but let me tell you about how well xcode upgraded this swift 2 project to swift 3 1562595;1478144714;ben_vulpes;FUCKING POORLY 1562596;1478144746;ben_vulpes;"o i see you have a target, i'll just swizzle these files around and source-to-source transform all these other files" 1562597;1478144758;ben_vulpes;NEGLECTING COMPLETELY THE OTHER PROJECT TARGETS 1562598;1478144784;ben_vulpes;from other parts of the room: "i'm sure there's some highfalutin' CS reason why -- " 1562599;1478144801;ben_vulpes;"NO THERE IS NO REASON. IT IS PURE ARROGANCE AND DISREGARD FOR OUR BOXES." 1562600;1478144817;ben_vulpes;"our boxes?" 1562601;1478144823;ben_vulpes;"..." 1562602;1478144827;asciilifeform;i was recently using a proggy called inkscape. vector drawing thing. and recent update broke ~ALL plugins. 1562603;1478144834;asciilifeform;that ANYONE has written. 1562604;1478144847;asciilifeform;this is somehow acceptable on the author's planet..? 1562605;1478144863;ben_vulpes;well, using anything other than illustrator for vector work is very stupid for precisely this reason. 1562606;1478144934;asciilifeform;lolwut 1562607;1478144956;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, el pequeno took his first steps at his one-year birthday/halloween party while i was on the back porch smoking cigarettes 1562608;1478144982;trinque;aw shit 1562609;1478145021;trinque;serious adventure time now, out the window, across the yard 1562610;1478145027;ben_vulpes;"eh, i'll believe it when i see it ten times." 1562611;1478145030;ben_vulpes;one day later... 1562612;1478145089;ben_vulpes;trinque: miniature ice-mobiles, bicycles, skateboards and other mother-terrorizing devices may be delivered to
1562613;1478145132;trinque;loller 1562614;1478145239;ben_vulpes;naw, the girl is to be commended for her tolerance of and adaptation to all sorts of baby-genic father-driven torture 1562615;1478147848;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562007 << nifty convo through and through. this place really is worth +25iq points or what was it. 1562616;1478147848;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 15:28 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-cut-the-wallet/ << Trilema - How to cut the wallet ? 1562617;1478147887;pete_dushenski;archive.is still bogged down eh 1562618;1478148020;pete_dushenski;http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/11/2/13497234/mississippi-black-church-trump <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-16#1325385 1562619;1478148020;a111;Logged on 2015-11-16 21:43 mircea_popescu: then it's going to be the blacks. immutably. 1562620;1478148026;pete_dushenski;ahem. 1562621;1478148570;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562105 << lol! natedog had trump at ~15% less than a week ago. at a rate of 2x per week, the hairdo will have 60% 'chance of winning' the day of and then EVERYONE WILL HAVE PREDICTED. 1562622;1478148570;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 16:11 mircea_popescu: "With Nate Silver putting Trump on a 28.8 per cent chance of victory, it’s almost unbelievable that the race could be so close, given the consequences. A Russian puppet candidate with shady business affairs who hasn’t disclosed his tax returns, Trump has spent his campaign alienating minorities, horrifying women, offending religious and military voters, and having his career of awful business behaviour paraded in public. 1562623;1478148742;trinque;further from election, gotta try and sway the result. closer to the election, gotta look like you're just following the "trend" 1562624;1478148817;pete_dushenski;everybody loves advertising that they voted for the winner, so time to hop aboard the trump train kiddos because this is his last stop before the brown shirts and reeducation camps. 1562625;1478148850;pete_dushenski;on the off chance that camp security guards require 'liberal arts' degrees from dartmouth. 1562626;1478148905;ben_vulpes;that's like trump 3 1562627;1478148921;pete_dushenski;cuban junior! 1562628;1478148926;ben_vulpes;i don't think trump 1 has the imagination for anything interesting 1562629;1478148942;ben_vulpes;perhaps he takes pity on the bundies and disbands the BLM 1562630;1478148975;pete_dushenski;give the man some credit for seeing his way to dismantling the decrepit two-party system woudlja 1562631;1478148976;trinque;dunno. I don't suspect he's had a totaly passive role in the way the clintons are coming apart. 1562632;1478148978;trinque;*totally 1562633;1478149020;pete_dushenski;he will also jail the girl. 1562634;1478149033;ben_vulpes;girlol 1562635;1478149057;pete_dushenski;something none of the 'yes we can'ners saw coming before last month. 1562636;1478149096;trinque;let him lock up half the democratic party and hell, he might have half a semi going. 1562637;1478149121;ben_vulpes;i have half a semi going just at the thought of locking up any fraction of the demcratic party 1562638;1478149205;trinque;say it comes out that the clintons and others provably were childfucking for moloch or w/e with that epstein 1562639;1478149235;pete_dushenski;trinque: speaking of semis, my chef at the office and i were chatting today and she was saying how she feels bad biking up steep hills when she thinks of how impossible it is for wheelchairists to do the same. i responded, "what, like i should feel bad for all the dudes who can't get it up when i'm banging?" 1562640;1478149252;trinque;lol 1562641;1478149265;trinque;gotta pay your canadian butt-tears tax 1562642;1478149293;pete_dushenski;don't cry for me, arcticwasteland 1562643;1478149385;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes | i have half a semi going just at the thought of locking up any fraction of the demcratic party << "honey, i'm feeling #2 tonight, get your furry costume out!" 1562644;1478149443;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562239 << as previously levitan'd http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/ 1562645;1478149443;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:56 ben_vulpes: nobody shows up at any doors, sheesh 1562646;1478149464;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: gets a bouncer, starts copying lines out of personal logs 1562647;1478149466;*;ben_vulpes tears up 1562648;1478149484;ben_vulpes;he's *sniff* like almost all growed up 1562649;1478149572;pete_dushenski;lel. one day i tell yeez, one day!!1 1562650;1478149857;*;pete_dushenski is presently enjoying the delight of living in a country that isn't arg. and therefore affords a veritable bounty of incandescent lighting options for his new/old george nelson light fixtures. 1562651;1478149972;pete_dushenski;round, frosted, clear, 50w, 150w, warm white, cool white, a15, 19, the choices... oh the choices! 1562652;1478151041;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562200 << so much for >> https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/ctd/5839992383.html 1562653;1478151041;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 17:45 asciilifeform is of the - admittedly armchair - notion that 'backyard artillerists' oughta focus on rockets, lower pressure, better... 'bang for buck' 1562654;1478151054;pete_dushenski;but we've obv had this thread 1562655;1478151262;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561434 << even uneducated rappers understand that cars are a visible sign of wealth at least as much as performance machines. the performance writes the cheques saying that "i could" but of course there's essentially nowhere that these cheques might be cashed where anyone is watching. 1562656;1478151262;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 21:03 asciilifeform: trinque: humour me -- why does bugati exist while bugati-comp - not ..? 1562657;1478151405;pete_dushenski;veyron and other 'hypercars' like it are little more for rich dude to get brownie points with friends and strangers in a way that's less likely to cause resentment so much as envy, at least compared to jewelry, designer clothes, very large houses, and the rest of the gauche trappings of the arriviste class described by tlp and others. 1562658;1478151541;pete_dushenski;where can you drive 400kph outside of ehra-liessen (vw's private high-speed test track) ? nowhere. but you could! just like you could roofie girl and drag her into back alley but instead you ask her to 'role play rape' with you. 1562659;1478151588;trinque;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/03/when_is_it_okay_to_rape_a_woma.html << oblig. 1562660;1478151631;trinque;and well put. 1562661;1478151639;pete_dushenski;this is why armchair 'enthusiast' types focus so obsessively on '0-60 times'. because that's about what public roads permit (without republican fender flags) 1562662;1478151785;pete_dushenski;personal computers, by contrast, are hermetically hidden away. they're ~private~ whereas cars are as public as the nose on your face. 1562663;1478151940;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561446 << this being arguably the controlling point. as personal computer generation (ie republican generation) rises to prominence, so too will exotic and fabulous creations be fashioned to meet the tastes and demands of the new kids on the block. this could very well mean more handmade ic and less whatever it is that jeff koons does. 1562664;1478151940;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 21:10 trinque: not to mention a different kind of culture among the wealthy 1562665;1478152724;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2016/08/mircea-popescue-announces-fanfic-contest-with-1-bitcoin-prize/ << two days after closing and still no weiner ? must be closely contested. best of luck to all the dreamers! 1562666;1478159169;BingoBoingo;Fuck, I go to sleep and Obama steals the rigged World Series for his town. 1562667;1478160968;BingoBoingo;A wild Maxwell speaks http://qntra.net/2016/11/alternate-bitcoin-implementation-apes-reference-client-in-removing-network-alert-system/#comment-77324 1562668;1478162920;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Nah, 0-60 is about owning punks at all those stahp lights. 1562669;1478171595;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562507 << ahaha check out teh pyrograveur, he grew up to lasers! 1562670;1478171595;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 03:02 asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gears.jpg 1562671;1478171769;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562540 << not that it wouldn't work splendidly enough 1562672;1478171769;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 03:12 asciilifeform: ftr i am not making mechanical rsatron. 1562673;1478171816;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562552 << ahahaha new yorker! do you have an old black dude that moves the cars every 40 minutes for 50 bux a week, also ? 1562674;1478171816;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 03:15 asciilifeform: i 'parallel-park' on motherfucking city street, yes 1562675;1478171977;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562568 << bwhaahaha. founding fathers were fucking wise. next best thing to putting the goddamned "seat of government" out in the ocean. 1562676;1478171977;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 03:18 asciilifeform: one time i bought a truckload of plinths, made a walking-path, it... sank. 1562677;1478172032;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562579 << who the fuck are these ? 1562678;1478172032;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 03:20 ben_vulpes: only tangentially relatedly, cheech and chong scrubbed the rape jokes from their classic albums. 1562679;1478172149;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562604 << hey, that planet is called "modern democracy". 1562680;1478172149;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 03:47 asciilifeform: this is somehow acceptable on the author's planet..? 1562681;1478172703;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562621 << ikr? what's even the point if he swings this much. 1562682;1478172703;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 04:49 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562105 << lol! natedog had trump at ~15% less than a week ago. at a rate of 2x per week, the hairdo will have 60% 'chance of winning' the day of and then EVERYONE WILL HAVE PREDICTED. 1562683;1478172789;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562630 << he has a point at that. no further space for a "gop" in this world. curious what he'll call it, Trumpth and Terrormp ? 1562684;1478172789;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 04:56 pete_dushenski: give the man some credit for seeing his way to dismantling the decrepit two-party system woudlja 1562685;1478172864;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562634 << he also has a point there! hillary managed to get to almost 70 and yet is still a 13yo derp, with the exact skills and wordlview of invidious preteen female. 1562686;1478172864;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 04:57 ben_vulpes: girlol 1562687;1478172940;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562629 << i hope you realise that had you organised the topless bundy support alt-burning man, you'd be now in a position to get a govt post in preparation for running for governor there yes ? 1562688;1478172940;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 04:55 ben_vulpes: perhaps he takes pity on the bundies and disbands the BLM 1562689;1478172979;mircea_popescu;the top 10 largest things any man encounters in his lifetime consists entirely of the opportunities he doesn't take. 1562690;1478172995;mircea_popescu;this is also true of women, but somehow they get excused from this. 1562691;1478173163;mircea_popescu;and now time for an intromission - i give you merchant-from-the-future girl! http://68.media.tumblr.com/144503737e83614fc6a604fad5072e71/tumblr_n9zc9frpX01sl0njeo1_1280.jpg 1562692;1478173163;mircea_popescu; http://68.media.tumblr.com/a4bf7aaf75f3313581b04ef57bec30bf/tumblr_n9igz5L2Lr1tz6ihdo1_1280.jpg 1562693;1478173188;mircea_popescu;forget all the square, swipe, circle, whatever bullshit. snatch is where it's at! slide that thing in! 1562694;1478173224;shinohai;Your balance is verified. Proceed. 1562695;1478173241;mircea_popescu;"your order of dong and soda, here you go" 1562696;1478173266;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, fitting labia with card reader wouldn't be THAT hard to do. why isn't it done ?) 1562697;1478173299;shinohai;Maybe I should seek funding to examine this. 1562698;1478173321;shinohai;I'm pretty sure I can fir a RasPi zero in there. 1562699;1478173325;shinohai;*fit 1562700;1478173367;mircea_popescu;lol nah, you don't stuff her vagina. have the terminals attached to labia, run wire to her belly or w/e. give her some of those running/yoga pants that come with pocket for ipod, except with a cunt cutout 1562701;1478173389;mircea_popescu;that way she can have a screen on her belly. 1562702;1478173402;mircea_popescu;(pro tip : most adult females are most petrified of how their belly looks. ask around.) 1562703;1478173430;mircea_popescu;ATW FTW! 1562704;1478173482;shinohai;Everyone will forget Point of Sale, it will henceforth be known as Point of Slut 1562705;1478173507;mircea_popescu;aha 1562706;1478174180;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562650 < eh what are you on about, i got incandescents everywhere. 1562707;1478174180;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 05:10 pete_dushenski is presently enjoying the delight of living in a country that isn't arg. and therefore affords a veritable bounty of incandescent lighting options for his new/old george nelson light fixtures. 1562708;1478174524;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562657 << except for the western us (ie, northern california and a dipping here-and-there in rich az, or etc), everyone's idea of "very large" is ~equal to sane. let's work the math together : 1562709;1478174524;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 05:36 pete_dushenski: veyron and other 'hypercars' like it are little more for rich dude to get brownie points with friends and strangers in a way that's less likely to cause resentment so much as envy, at least compared to jewelry, designer clothes, very large houses, and the rest of the gauche trappings of the arriviste class described by tlp and others. 1562710;1478174622;mircea_popescu;1. if you're the sort of man worth the mention in the first place, then you must be able to entertain twelve at the morning's notice. consequently you will need a "great" hall of at least 100 sqm, more like 150-200 where to seat them around a table, + a kitchen half that at least + 2-3 servants so another 50 in living space for them. 1562711;1478174719;mircea_popescu;2. if you're the sort of man worth the mention in the first place, then you must have 2-4 of what's commonly named "wives", except without the annoying in permanent residence. this means they get a bedroom, and you also need a great bedroom to play with them in, which ideally should be separate from the hall, and they'll want 100 sqm of bathroom including complicated waterholes and whatnot. plus closets and various other hidi 1562712;1478174719;mircea_popescu;ng places. so you're at 3-500 sqm from this. 1562713;1478174773;mircea_popescu;3. if you're the sort of man worth the mention in the first place, you also engage in some sort of activities. i am not speaking here of an "office" where to sit and engage in bureaucracy, because really, government-made men aren't ever worth the mention. but alf at the extreme could prolly soak up 10`000 sqm, so there is that. call it 500 and let it be. 1562714;1478174815;mircea_popescu;now let's add up : on the conservative side, you need 150 + 250 + 500 = 850 sqm ; on the expansive side you can call it 15`000 and be good. 1562715;1478174852;mircea_popescu;add to this the usual technological 15% (you'll need hallways too, right ?) and suddenly you're talking 1k sqm / 10`000 sqfeet as an absolute minimum. going all the way up to multiple acres of floorspace. 1562716;1478174859;mircea_popescu;what house is "very large" and where is it ? 1562717;1478183494;phf;they don't really know what to do with "large houses" here. i've been to a few, and i can never discern a cause to any of the rooms. it's basically "place we sleep, place we shit and place we hang out", everything else is a filler, a place to put "artwork". on the other hand not even being "man worth the mention" i can put to use very large spaces. own bedroom, shared bedroom, library room, computer room, workshop (i don't have a lathe, 1562718;1478183495;phf;but even electronics equipment takes up a lot of space, not to mention that workshop needs own exhaust, large work surface area, etc.), exercise room, entertaining a company room, guest room, etc. etc. etc. 1562719;1478183698;phf;up in Connecticut where they have remnants of that culture still around they actually know what to do with spaces, and it becomes very obvious how even moderately well to do people here are poor. that's how you end up with bathroom serving as a library (because if you play a piano, where do you put a grand piano? if you put it in the library how they do in american beer commercials, the books are going to dampen the sound, you want a 1562720;1478183698;phf;whole room for that thing, preferably with plenty of light) 1562721;1478183811;thestringpuller;That's cause Connecticut is the size of a shoe 1562722;1478183895;thestringpuller;iirc to get same sqft I have now in my home town of CT i'd pay 3.5x minimum 1562723;1478184035;phf;outside of reasonably nyc commute range there are parts of ct that are underdeveloped, new haven has the typical ivy arrangement: university controlled downtown surrounded by ghettos on all four sides. you have bridgeport with whole streets "for sale", i don't imagine they are the only places like that 1562724;1478184098;phf;now i grok where you got your airs from, you're a ct person, that explains it :p 1562725;1478184297;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562540 << not that it wouldn't work splendidly enough << this would be awesome lol 1562726;1478184297;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 03:12 asciilifeform: ftr i am not making mechanical rsatron. 1562727;1478184689;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Didn't realize gmaxwell was a qntra reader 1562728;1478184772;thestringpuller;phf: Oh god Bridgeport. The "New Jeresy" of CT. 1562729;1478191262;*;danielpbarron is in Bridgeport :D 1562730;1478194073;thestringpuller;i figured you was in windsor... 1562731;1478198076;trinque;https://twitter.com/lenadunham/status/793929098926166016/video/1 << lel, teh butt-tears.. 1562732;1478200714;PeterL;http://hackaday.com/2014/07/18/homemade-bazooka-has-earned-its-stripes/ << related to discussion yesterday about rockets 1562733;1478200862;trinque;https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/794247777756860417 << shitlords on reddit finding hard links to child sex trafficking by clitler and company. 1562734;1478200925;trinque;weirdest shit I've ever seen 1562735;1478201081;BingoBoingo;trinque: Write up and submit? 1562736;1478201255;BingoBoingo;Anyways the child trafficking was supposed to go public tomorrow. 1562737;1478201384;BingoBoingo;You know it was suppsoed to go public tomorrow because "leaked" and "revealed" on Reddit today. 1562738;1478201384;BingoBoingo;And truefax because mircea_popescu teased it weeks ago. 1562739;1478201586;mircea_popescu;dude deedbot's slow. 1562740;1478201856;BingoBoingo;But faster then County hall 1562741;1478201860;trinque;works damned quick for me 1562742;1478201877;trinque;coupla seconds max per command 1562743;1478202048;mircea_popescu;took about 30 secs here, but who knows, maybe derpy internet 1562744;1478202169;trinque;BingoBoingo: if teh lulz crescendo tomorrow, I'll wait 1562745;1478202671;BingoBoingo;!~tslb 1562746;1478202673;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data. 1562747;1478203075;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562706 << o ? i musta misread http://trilema.com/2015/%C2%BFno-se-puede-ba-pe-a-ma-tii/ because it leant the distinct impression that southern orclands were too pilipiziprogre for incandescent bulbs 1562748;1478203075;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 11:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562650 < eh what are you on about, i got incandescents everywhere. 1562749;1478203106;mircea_popescu;they're deeply inept and utterly superficial, but my hounds will find me anything. 1562750;1478203164;pete_dushenski;so it seems :) 1562751;1478203223;pete_dushenski;everything from clitlolz to light bolbz 1562752;1478203316;mircea_popescu;i actually got some very pretty ones, extremely large filament. less light but the tungsten evaporation over time colors the glass a very pretty faint carmine 1562753;1478203375;mircea_popescu;well... i should just say "filament evaporation". dun think tungsten itself has that spectral line. 1562754;1478203511;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562718 << for sure. even if you do racks computing gear still takes a lot of space. desktops forget about it, it's two sqft a unit, goes like water. 1562755;1478203511;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 14:31 phf: but even electronics equipment takes up a lot of space, not to mention that workshop needs own exhaust, large work surface area, etc.), exercise room, entertaining a company room, guest room, etc. etc. etc. 1562756;1478203557;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: do you keep the bulbs partially exposed or entirely enclosed ? 1562757;1478203581;mircea_popescu;entirely exposed, these 1562758;1478203589;mircea_popescu;they don't glare at all. 1562759;1478203663;pete_dushenski;neat. 1562760;1478203699;pete_dushenski;"“We also have some teams going in to the ghettos in Philly with 40s and weed to give out to the local residents, which we think will lead to more of them staying home. We have had success with this in the past,” wrote the representative of TheRightStuff.biz, who said four teams of two employed this tactic in Detroit during the Democratic primary in an effort to help Bernie Sanders. “40s” are 1562761;1478203701;pete_dushenski;40-ounce bottles of malt liquor. POLITICO could not independently verify his claims. 1562762;1478203777;pete_dushenski;"A senior Trump adviser told Bloomberg Businessweek last month that the campaign is working on a three-pronged voter suppression strategy that includes an effort to depress black turnout. Though other Trump advisers later pushed back on the report, Anglin’s partners say they are hoping to put Trump over the top by doing just that." 1562763;1478203838;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/71D549241F68FB9CDBF2268E87D03C8BCE705F367B62058DDD15C5266928458C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112951731116604721747397439009608193083216983377270729375024567018186105809837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.121 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; 1562764;1478203890;mircea_popescu;lmao 1562765;1478203908;pete_dushenski;glare ? what glare ? o you mean the glaring pre-post rationalisations by msm for why girlol is gonna get creamed ? mkay then. 1562766;1478203959;pete_dushenski;IF ONLY EVIL WHITE VOTE WERE SUPPRESSED ALL WOULD BE WELL!!1 1562767;1478203981;mircea_popescu;no i mean the reason you put abajours or w/e yu call them on lightbulbs. 1562768;1478204114;pete_dushenski;'lamp shades' are an aesthetic thing with incandescent bulbs and a headache-reducer for fluorescents and leds 1562769;1478204175;pete_dushenski;completely exposed bulbs are au courrant in the 'industrial warehouse hipster' cliques but not my jam 1562770;1478204241;pete_dushenski;esp chic with 'edison' bulb 1562771;1478204274;pete_dushenski;http://cdn.trendir.com/wp-content/uploads/old/archives/2015/10/09/edison-light-ideas-bulbs-amazon.jpg << 1562772;1478204376;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B456AF896D721D27D0A49F5133F0E616018AAAA254EBFA90153EBD8D7AE988C1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 110936828925442284481823101004662299474263504311440192696171944208511945933637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.6.185 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.6.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; 1562773;1478204377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/789F7D35FD7FBC95C83799BD7B4A4E020821D96673C3B0619CDCC267E66AD970 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 110936828925442284481823101004662299474263504311440192696171944208511945933637 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.5.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.5.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; 1562774;1478204377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/46E0D3BF108CC94D48079C2533BD6811FB14E15E99FA1DFFBF67AB3697B3A590 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112951731116604721747397439009608193083216983377270729375024567018186105809837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.33 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.33 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; 1562775;1478204377;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/71D549241F68FB9CDBF2268E87D03C8BCE705F367B62058DDD15C5266928458C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112951731116604721747397439009608193083216983377270729375024567018186105809837 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.121 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; 1562776;1478204431;pete_dushenski;^mexicans 1562777;1478204450;pete_dushenski;'SECRETARIA DE COMUNICACIONES Y TRANSPORTES COORDINACION DE LA SOCIEDAD DE LA INFORMACION Y EL CONOCI' 1562778;1478204695;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562719 << consider kensington palace. as per work34/1501 (made 1867), the whole damned thing is something like 400 x 600. if you cut out the holes you're left with 20k sqft optimistically, on two floors. that is... apparently, enough living space for the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, Prince Harry, the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, the Duke and Duchess of Kent, and Prince and Princess Mich 1562779;1478204695;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 14:34 phf: up in Connecticut where they have remnants of that culture still around they actually know what to do with spaces, and it becomes very obvious how even moderately well to do people here are poor. that's how you end up with bathroom serving as a library (because if you play a piano, where do you put a grand piano? if you put it in the library how they do in american beer commercials, the books are going to dampen the sound, you want a 1562780;1478204695;mircea_popescu;ael of Kent. 1562781;1478204698;mircea_popescu;fancy that wonder! 1562782;1478204757;mircea_popescu;just dividing 40k by 9 named people you discover english royalty is scarcely worth the mention! 1562783;1478204859;BingoBoingo;English royalty is a myth. 1562784;1478204875;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/hillary-rodham-clinton-child-trafficking-connections-on-track-to-hit-mainstream-news-tomorrow/ << Qntra - Hillary Rodham-Clinton Child Trafficking Connections On Track To Hit Mainstream News Tomorrow 1562785;1478204924;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562731 << "media could not be played". i suppose not even twitter can hear 'em. 1562786;1478204924;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 18:34 trinque: https://twitter.com/lenadunham/status/793929098926166016/video/1 << lel, teh butt-tears.. 1562787;1478205191;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562738 << and to think alf was at one point ready to bet, even. 1562788;1478205191;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 19:29 BingoBoingo: And truefax because mircea_popescu teased it weeks ago. 1562789;1478205237;BingoBoingo;Alf rarely bets because on the few occasions he's be the game has been RIGgED! 1562790;1478205258;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1562791;1478205363;BingoBoingo;Anyways Clitler could still win, but I doubt it because the FBI and KGB are working together to MAKE GREAT GREAT again. 1562792;1478205421;mircea_popescu;she could still win a coating of dijon mustard for her anal impalement device. 1562793;1478205454;BingoBoingo;Why boring dijon? Why not horseradish mustard? 1562794;1478205494;mircea_popescu;cuz she's not a horse 1562795;1478205593;pete_dushenski;if she were a horse she could handle her tranqs better 1562796;1478205609;BingoBoingo;Nah, some horses are just lightweights. 1562797;1478205637;pete_dushenski;so she's a pony ? 1562798;1478205687;BingoBoingo;Nah, one of those dog sized freaks 1562799;1478205747;BingoBoingo;You know those exemplars of the principle that "Inbreeding thrice makes everyone cry" 1562800;1478206701;pete_dushenski;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1562801;1478206709;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4721.02, vol: 5164759.11640000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4721.02 1562802;1478207014;phf;i always though kensington was sort of equivalent of president's residence at the whitehouse. symbol of something or rather, but nobody really lives there. or perhaps, in the case of kensington specifically, an equivalent of a harem, i.e. a nursery 1562803;1478207106;phf;actually, it reminds me of dolmabahçe in istanbul, the bulk is taken over by a harem and there's a small office space for the caliph 1562804;1478207805;mircea_popescu;well apparently plenty of derps live there. 1562805;1478211089;phf;maybe that's something britain can solve, after solving eu. either stop paying the stipend to the royal family, or give them proper living accommodations. i think by now everyone's tired of this bureaucratic half life 1562806;1478211265;mircea_popescu;the royal family is worth ~5bn 1562807;1478211490;phf;pft, mp's yearly dinner budget 1562808;1478211513;mircea_popescu;lolwut! 1562809;1478211524;mircea_popescu;just how fat do you think i am ? 1562810;1478214568;jurov;phf thinks mp will eat ol' lizzy for breakfast? 1562811;1478215155;BingoBoingo;phf thinks mp thinks salt is UF6? 1562812;1478215978;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "my name rajeev i am got only forklift license i driving in 4 years i have no certificate i have interest to working in uk usa how i can get it pls help" 1562813;1478216257;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557978 << any significant progress in the last two weeks ? still running ? 1562814;1478216257;a111;Logged on 2016-10-21 19:30 ben_vulpes: my gentoo shitball has only cooked up 1.1M so far 1562815;1478216341;BingoBoingo;Moar: "Dear Sir / Madam i have 31 years experiance and still working with NATO in afghanistan Dyncorp intl. 12 hr. duty every day no off day and operating up to 30k fork lift. with respect. thank you" 1562816;1478216393;BingoBoingo;And the cherry: "I've been driving forklifts for over 35 years. Sit down propane,electric,single forks,double forks,bale clamps and stand up narrow isle reach and anywhere I worked bosses were impressed with my work. No accidents and can drive circles around some of the forklift drivers I worked with. I was making $21.50 an hour until my place closed down. Now they pay $8-$13 an hour,$13 being high and don't need much experience if none 1562817;1478216393;BingoBoingo;at all. I guess companies don't care how much damage is done by inexperienced forklift drivers." 1562818;1478216614;pete_dushenski;http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000565038 << in other 'progress', taleb predicting that 'trump won't do anything apocalyptic'. maybe compared to the never-ending lebanese civil wars... 1562819;1478216953;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=850ZgmDO61U << familiarise yourself with this one bb. the gendarmerie ~will~ get their bribes if they have to total your pick-up truck to do it. 1562820;1478217015;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: But what about the fork truck? 1562821;1478217054;pete_dushenski;segway-mounted net launcher option coming soon(tm) 1562822;1478217066;BingoBoingo;Fork truck places their cars on top of garage. This is like Rock, Paper, Scissors 1562823;1478217450;pete_dushenski;fork truck can't play scissors, we know that. the ancient feud with scissor lifts runs too deep. 1562824;1478217503;pete_dushenski;that leaves rock and paper, and since chevy's like a rock but doesn't make fork lifts, that leaves paper. 1562825;1478217525;pete_dushenski;as long as copper picks paper, he's golden. 1562826;1478217542;pete_dushenski;*copper picks scissors 1562827;1478218001;BingoBoingo;What are you talking about? Scissor lifts are designed to be manhandled by forklifts. How else do you expect them to get stacked on flatbeds? 1562828;1478218341;pete_dushenski;l'amour... c'est complique 1562829;1478218395;shinohai;Vous avez ce droit putain 1562830;1478218785;pete_dushenski;that putin ~= putain can't be a coincidence. 1562831;1478219567;shinohai;xD 1562832;1478219618;shinohai;I see Putin gave Steven Seagal citizenship ... can Trump be far behind? 1562833;1478219862;pete_dushenski;you think trump'll give seagal citizenship too ? hmm. sounds a bit far-fetched :P 1562834;1478219913;shinohai;lol 1562835;1478219995;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-01#1561439 << speaking of far-fetched, i present you with http://www.rentawheel.com/ 1562836;1478219995;a111;Logged on 2016-11-01 21:08 phf: some kid pulls up with chrome dipped bugatti rims now i'm thinking it's three in the am i'm walking he in a bm drop top 3 and don't even see me but you gonna believe he saw my gun in 3-D 1562837;1478220017;pete_dushenski;next, chocolate bar on layaway 1562838;1478220061;pete_dushenski;bbl 1562839;1478220877;phf;phf thinks those truffles ain't going to dig and ship themselves 1562840;1478224901;mircea_popescu;and in other news for nerds, stuff that matters : http://68.media.tumblr.com/edcc7ce5407d373dce3f19a893d4a390/tumblr_n9p0jmj0v91r81lgko1_1280.jpg 1562841;1478224904;mircea_popescu;identify teh machine! 1562842;1478224998;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562665 << yeah thinking about it i'm gonna do a democratic thing here. so the recognized participants being diana_coman hanbot and BingoBoingo - agree amonst yourselves to select a winner and let me know who it is. 1562843;1478224998;a111;Logged on 2016-11-03 05:58 pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2016/08/mircea-popescue-announces-fanfic-contest-with-1-bitcoin-prize/ << two days after closing and still no weiner ? must be closely contested. best of luck to all the dreamers! 1562844;1478225019;mircea_popescu;if you can't get a decision by monday i guess ima pick myself. 1562845;1478225056;shinohai;mircea_popescu advocating democracy O.o 1562846;1478225064;mircea_popescu;the end is nigh. 1562847;1478225068;shinohai;I must have had too much to drink tonite 1562848;1478227273;hanbot;haha cool. i suppose i'll make the offer to divert a third of the prize to each my fellow lady & lord should i be "selected", so we have a proper dilemma to play. 1562849;1478227546;mircea_popescu;nah. gotta pick a winner. 1562850;1478227721;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4jjnd/?raw=true 1562851;1478227753;deedbot;accepted: 1 1562852;1478227804;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/y7fe4/?raw=true 1562853;1478229287;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu advocating democracy O.o << Not a democracy. A Jury of the Peerage. 1562854;1478229350;BingoBoingo; phf thinks those truffles ain't going to dig and ship themselves << You missed when "truffles" was around in chan 1562855;1478229353;shinohai;He still made me think the Four Horseman were on the ride. 1562856;1478229583;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-october-2016-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), October 2016 Statement 1562857;1478230235;mircea_popescu;a jurage. 1562858;1478231645;*;BingoBoingo being a selfish prick and very sick individual must naturally vote for myself. My second preference would be diana_coman's for the subtle twist, though hanbot did the right thing by fanfic law and made the sex gay. 1562859;1478241312;*;trinque smells something rotten in this "intel coup" angle coming from the usual disinfo outlets 1562860;1478241615;trinque;;;later tell BingoBoingo I can't remember if you covered this in your writings on frozen binary conflicts in political discourse, but it seems that in halting movement, they consequently cool. 1562861;1478241621;trinque;!~later tell BingoBoingo I can't remember if you covered this in your writings on frozen binary conflicts in political discourse, but it seems that in halting movement, they consequently cool. 1562862;1478241621;jhvh1;trinque: The operation succeeded. 1562863;1478241769;trinque;so then, snowden, binney, et al, provide a way to bring out the panopticon in a deniable way. now that its existence is a background fact of life, the next step is to make it the hero that saved the great and made it great again 1562864;1478242373;trinque;http://www.infowars.com/pieczenik-intel-coup-bringing-down-hillary/ << rag in question, interviewing Steve Pieczenik, who seems to be another faux "turned warshington insider" 1562865;1478243669;*;trinque should probably write when not on the end of 5am-2am; frozen and cool in the same sentence isn't very clear. 1562866;1478244106;trinque;say there is pairing (A B) which represents *whether* NSA is watching us poop. opinions in democracy are arbitrary, and the thing will eventually settle around an even split. then pairing (C D) is introduced, which is *given that* NSA watches us poop, do we like that? again, since democracy is arbitrary, opinions spread evenly. 1562867;1478244188;trinque;at the first step, there is one group of two that *knows* NSA is watching. at the second, it's 3 out of 4. 1562868;1478244480;trinque;derp, 2/3, but you get the idea. 1562869;1478244515;*;trinque goes to bed now 1562870;1478253355;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562863 << denial and its categories don't even enter into any of this. on one hand, "the people" are bellow cattle, intellectually. one needn't explain farm functioning to the cows, just as long as they're fed. on the other hand, if you can, you must. the electronics exist, therefore they will be used. we can now mold plastics so therefore you'll fuck dildos. so what if you... uh... think yo 1562871;1478253355;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 06:42 trinque: so then, snowden, binney, et al, provide a way to bring out the panopticon in a deniable way. now that its existence is a background fact of life, the next step is to make it the hero that saved the great and made it great again 1562872;1478253356;mircea_popescu;u prefer fingers ? the plastic is there, sit on it. 1562873;1478253565;mircea_popescu;cctv on every pole etc is a "background fact of life" in the sense 10 degrees summer temperatures and 16 hour nights were a fact of life in 1816. there was no denying it from mt tambora mostly because nobody had the standing to fucking ask. 1562874;1478260161;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-437282.txt 1562875;1478266722;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/y7fe4/?raw=true 1562876;1478266766;mircea_popescu;trinque any idea why it's rejecting http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562852 ? 1562877;1478266766;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 02:50 mircea_popescu: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/y7fe4/?raw=true 1562878;1478266793;deedbot;accepted: 1 1562879;1478266798;mircea_popescu;uh. mk. 1562880;1478267003;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/iaz6i/?raw=true 1562881;1478267003;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1562882;1478270063;phf;there's a dodgy israeli coffee shop in the neighborhood (they make shakshuka and burek though, which are good, when the israeli guy is running the kitchen), which is a favorite meeting spot for local "career" women. i just spent about an hour half listening to a conversation, and for the love of me i can't figure out what it's about. "yeah should reach out to such and such i was on his board" "yeah such and such is now at such and such 1562883;1478270064;phf;they are doing some exciting work" "small business" "he's a community organizer" "small business" "building communities?" "she was on the board" 1562884;1478270262;phf;"community with the NEEDS of the community" "have you reached out to the principal?" "talented and competent" "the message we're working on ... VISION" 1562885;1478271104;mircea_popescu;omaygerd stop hating on them and start hitting on them 1562886;1478272098;Framedragger;phf should just tell them that he too is on a board of a small but growing grass-roots community-network which is trying to help people achieve their best in life 1562887;1478272113;Framedragger;if they ask for an example tell them "well for instance if you really tried hard you could perhaps become a great slavegirl. start with $trilema-tits-url" 1562888;1478272126;Framedragger;COMMUNITY BUILDER 1562889;1478272401;phf;i believe mircea_popescu said something a few times about women post-30 being hopeless in that respect 1562890;1478272492;phf;i've flurted my way through highschool with post-menopausal authority figures like that, i'm only ever doing it again if i need something 1562891;1478272536;phf;i guess a peace of mind during breakfast is reason enough... 1562892;1478273156;thestringpuller;i would love to have time to actually eat breakfast 1562893;1478273488;PeterL;how do you not have time to eat breakfast? Just wake up a few minutes earlier 1562894;1478274839;mircea_popescu;phf statistics are useless in individual cases though. point in case : chet was 50 when we met. 1562895;1478274865;mircea_popescu;i'm not famous for actually following my own heuristics all that predictably. 1562896;1478275616;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/el-paso-fiat-payments-mitmd-3-2-million-united-states-dollar-sfyl/ << Qntra - El Paso Fiat Payments MITM'd 3.2 Million United States dollar SFYL 1562897;1478277701;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562842 <- I find myself agreeing and disagreeing with everyone on this so it's a right mess; agreeing with mircea_popescu on it being close, quite disagreeing with him on this newly found democratic idea of passing on the hot potato; agreeing with BingoBoingo on the importance of one voting for oneself first, I'll do just that and vote for myself first; will vote for hanbot 2nd for her rectibu 1562898;1478277701;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 02:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562665 << yeah thinking about it i'm gonna do a democratic thing here. so the recognized participants being diana_coman hanbot and BingoBoingo - agree amonst yourselves to select a winner and let me know who it is. 1562899;1478277701;diana_coman;tion day that clearly gets one drinking, although BingoBoingo really got James and Elliot going; agreeing with hanbot, I'm totally in favour of splitting the prize in three; finally disagreeing with hanbot and with BingoBoingo and with anyone who gets into this, I'll simply proclaim http://thebitcoin.foundation/ as winner and award the whole prize to it 1562900;1478277845;BingoBoingo;It's totally not democratic if truffles and luke-jr don't have franchise 1562901;1478277894;asciilifeform;holy shit state of md is BACK TO PAPER BALLOTS 1562902;1478277910;asciilifeform;(apparently law passed in 2007 !! but 'funding delayed' for 9 years..) 1562903;1478277946;asciilifeform;HANGING CHADS!1111 will return 1562904;1478277956;BingoBoingo;lol 1562905;1478278237;*;BingoBoingo on principle opposes equal distribution of the prize pot because unfairness must be preserved. 1562906;1478278319;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/cDEta << in other lulz. 1562907;1478278329;*;BingoBoingo may support an unequal splitting 1562908;1478278354;asciilifeform;'A Democratic shift from election night to the final tally of votes is predictable. All states count some ballots late, and those tend to break towards Democrats. ' 1562909;1478278419;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-alqaeda-idUSKBN12Z1F2 << oh boy, here comes the distraction. 1562910;1478278628;diana_coman;I tend to agree with that, BingoBoingo ; so I guess some mess is cleared up, no splitting of the coin allowed 1562911;1478278777;asciilifeform;and hm, archive.is has no moar reload button..? 1562912;1478279381;BingoBoingo;diana_coman: If a split, split must be unequal because sex havers are in heaven and Elliot is in hell. 1562913;1478279447;BingoBoingo;As a revolutionary idea incapable of having sex the Bitcoin Foundation may have a role to play as surrogate Elliot to be unfair to. 1562914;1478279564;BingoBoingo;Anyways I think this is progress because the buck seems as though it will inevitably be passed unfairly back to mircea_popescu 1562915;1478279624;*;diana_coman is not sure Elliot could do splits, hence the preference for keeping the coin whole 1562916;1478279691;diana_coman;but it might depend on hanbot's votes now; if we go by votes at all 1562917;1478279823;BingoBoingo;"Our Elliot who art in Hell. What was your last name again. Our kingdom cum, no sex for you. For we are in heaven. Give us this, our daily lols. Forgive us our sex, as we forgive you for not having any. And lead us not into slaughter over craigslist, but deliver us lulz. A Phi." 1562918;1478280272;BingoBoingo;If diana_coman's story maintained it's quality of fiction while correctly including James and Elliot having gay sex. There's a chance alternate universe me would be conceding. 1562919;1478280346;*;BingoBoingo wonders how unfairly hanbot percieves us so impickling her. 1562920;1478281106;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/hillary-brod-out-with-epstein-on-sex-island-six-times/ << Qntra - Hillary Bro'd Out With Epstein On Sex Island Six Times! 1562921;1478281255;trinque;BingoBoingo: s/sp/so/ 1562922;1478281437;*;trinque wants pictures of the dungeon underneath the owl statued building 1562923;1478281574;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1562924;1478281714;mircea_popescu;lol i totally imped out the halloween contest didn't i/ 1562925;1478281729;*;asciilifeform snored and continues to snoar through it. 1562926;1478281730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> holy shit state of md is BACK TO PAPER BALLOTS << hallo alfie. how goes ? 1562927;1478281891;asciilifeform;well... drafting lasercuts for test beds for $holidaysurprise. 1562928;1478281964;mircea_popescu;i meant re the paper ballots. 1562929;1478281979;asciilifeform;nfi, i personally will be holding one in hands for the first time 1562930;1478282007;*;trinque drums on table in anticipation for $holidaysurprise 1562931;1478282159;asciilifeform;(for non-u.s. inmates -- clitler owns state of md, the election in no sense 'counts' there.) 1562932;1478282380;BingoBoingo;Further lol at the polls http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/il/illinois_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson_vs_stein-6140.html 1562933;1478282444;mircea_popescu;anyway. other than end of gop, trump victory likely will also be end of democratic party. 1562934;1478282471;mircea_popescu;pretty much everyone anyone ever heard the name of involved in blue politics can go to jail starting tomorrow and stay there for the rest of the century, there's enough paperwork to cover it. 1562935;1478282542;mircea_popescu;contrary to popular belief, mexico WILL pay for the wall if the grunts doing the hand labour in chain gangs will be hillary, reid and friends. 1562936;1478282562;mircea_popescu;should be funny to watch a few thousand old men and women toil to death in the southern deserts. 1562937;1478282639;mircea_popescu;funny reversal of the "mp is headed to jail" meme. turns out... the entire usg goes there first ? WHO COULD HAVE... predicted. 1562938;1478282670;asciilifeform;did martians land and build this jail, i must've missed 1562939;1478282676;BingoBoingo;4srs! Make Great Great Again! 1562940;1478282704;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No need for new jails. Obama will pardon the crack epidemic on his way out. 1562941;1478282747;trinque;Trump administration will just say the pardon didn't apply to X, neener 1562942;1478282821;asciilifeform;i am not at all sold on the notion that usa is having something like an actual election, of the kind clitler might lose. 1562943;1478282843;trinque;why? Trump's going to usher in "NSA is our hero" 1562944;1478283089;BingoBoingo;And seriously Trump united KGB and FBI in harmony. 1562945;1478283093;trinque;if clitler were the chosen one, where's the leak of trump's tax returns, or w/e else. 1562946;1478283108;asciilifeform;and what, he wins, sends nyt, wsj, etc. 'cathedral' to börgemoor work camp ? can dream. 1562947;1478283122;asciilifeform;trinque: hangouts designed to make the 'race' 'look close'. 1562948;1478283129;BingoBoingo;This election would have made a great 1980's movie. KGB and FBI holding hands. 1562949;1478283280;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/gIXGQ << in other lulz. 1562950;1478283304;asciilifeform;rothchilds -- still going strong. 1562951;1478283421;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/lshvu << from same rag. 'preventive mop-up' of 'oathkeeper' types in progress. 1562952;1478283451;asciilifeform;^ nm, old noose. 1562953;1478283463;asciilifeform;wonder what happened to the allegedly desaparecido folx. 1562954;1478283550;trinque;maybe drugged up, dumped inside a gay bar later 1562955;1478283592;mircea_popescu;lose ? the notion that clinton is walking away from this election seems the height of naivity. 1562956;1478283600;mircea_popescu;woman's got a week or so left of free range time, that's it. 1562957;1478283626;hanbot;BingoBoingo diana_coman mircea_popescu "right mess" indeed lol. anyway, i appreciated bb's story on account of its total lack of fear or restraint, and diana's for its jabs, particularly the spellchecker. i'll be naming myself though, on the simple criteria of having liked it best. as far as second and third places go i'll name bb second and diana third, for no other reason than to see all possible positions expressed. 1562958;1478283631;mircea_popescu;beria had it better. 1562959;1478283702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "cathedral" never had any consistency outside of the pointless drivel of some redditard or other. apparently readily swallowed as fact by a certain demographic. 1562960;1478283716;mircea_popescu;but it was never a thing. 1562961;1478283730;asciilifeform;the shilling for clitler is ~100% consistent across the 'mainstream' organs. 1562962;1478283737;mircea_popescu;sure. 1562963;1478283786;asciilifeform;and in what sense 'was never a thing' ? original 'cathedral' referred to set of folx who all did the right 'internships', 'ivy' schools, etc. consensus 'reality'. 1562964;1478283821;asciilifeform;u.s. nomenklatura is every bit as homogeneous as the other one were. 1562965;1478283826;trinque;is this a cultural thing? asciilifeform sees same behavior among many, assumes there must be command/control taking place? 1562966;1478283836;asciilifeform;trinque: no 'command' necessary 1562967;1478283840;trinque;they're just mindless clones, exact same person in multiple salt water sacks 1562968;1478283846;asciilifeform;well yes. 1562969;1478283849;mircea_popescu;in the sense in which it was presented, and in the sense in which you misrepresented it to yourself throughout the past half decade. 1562970;1478283855;asciilifeform;at no point did i mention a 'command' structure. 1562971;1478283864;mircea_popescu;i'm not going to entertain the "plox state our own delusion to us, that we may pretend it wasn't it". 1562972;1478283867;mircea_popescu;you know what you ate. that. 1562973;1478283901;asciilifeform;i watched it, alive. this apparently counts for nothing, whatever. 1562974;1478283909;mircea_popescu;trinque importantly - powerless. that the algae swing with the tide doth not mean anything about the algae being the moon. 1562975;1478283933;asciilifeform;where, in this model, is the moon ? 1562976;1478283962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it counts for something. it doesn't count for what you thought it counted - because there is such a thing as unhomogenous medium. 1562977;1478283962;mircea_popescu;you observed an irrelevant backwater. 1562978;1478283962;mircea_popescu;the moon is right here. 1562979;1478283988;BingoBoingo;hanbot: ty. "total lack of fear" is part of inner peace that comes from the Big Book. page 83 paragraph beginning at the bottom of the page features a description 1562980;1478283997;phf;is that sort of like "evolution" being an emergent behavior, so doesn't actually "exist" as an object, likewise asciilifeform is naming processes described in manufacturing consent "cathedral" and claiming that i can go touch it 1562981;1478284028;asciilifeform;phf: you touched it earlier today in that cafe. 1562982;1478284040;mircea_popescu;not even as far as evolution. if i go to a starving village and feed them sushi and tell them sushi is the best meal there is, their dutiful repeating of this does not even constitute an opinion. 1562983;1478284086;mircea_popescu;if i go to some idiot boys whose bodies outgrew their minds and both of these their testicles and tell them stories about women, the government and blabla, that they "form an idea" of what i said has no bearing on anything. not on women ; not on government ; and not even on ideas. 1562984;1478284087;trinque;aha, agency does not reside in the NYT, Harvard, etc 1562985;1478284102;mircea_popescu;the mechanism at issue is this god forsaken bit of americana tardism where recognition = knowledge. 1562986;1478284123;mircea_popescu;guessing "what the word could mean in context" doesn't mean you read the fucking book ; and "things making sense" to you doesn't mean they exist, or they make sense. 1562987;1478284282;asciilifeform;yes - the 'tammany hall' that's run usa for decades ~could~ evaporate overnight. but i've no idea how or why, i dun have the 'seekrit evidence'. 1562988;1478284314;trinque;crypto exists, bitcoin exists, leaking is a thing, ... 1562989;1478284328;trinque;plenty of environmental changes 1562990;1478284365;trinque;when else could terabytes of evidence be dumped upon a "Clintons" 1562991;1478284385;asciilifeform;with 0 indictment. 1562992;1478284417;asciilifeform;because, as mircea_popescu correctly described in recent thread re 'wikileaks', 'public opinion' sums to 0. 1562993;1478284434;*;trinque made no mention of the public 1562994;1478284485;trinque;USG just went from supahpowah to pedowitch infested shitland in a few decades 1562995;1478284507;*;BingoBoingo rather certain that Russian observers in cook and st clair counties in Illinois would be sufficient to turn state "red" 1562996;1478284511;trinque;if I were either Russia or China I would be very happy about this 1562997;1478284557;trinque;and if I were a fledgling Republic, all the more 1562998;1478284582;asciilifeform;chinese soy will be grown in american ex-parks etc. regardless of which party wins election 1562999;1478284647;BingoBoingo; chinese soy will be grown in american ex-parks etc. regardless of which party wins election << ALready happening in Missouri. Called "Right to farm" implemented through... ballot measure of all things. 1563000;1478284653;trinque;where's the (loop do (and-anyway)) thread 1563001;1478284680;trinque;the environment changed; this always matters, and it's the only thing that matters 1563002;1478284710;asciilifeform;trinque: nowhere is there a guarantee of the environmental change pushing in the direction you would like, and on a timescale you can live to see. 1563003;1478284748;trinque;certainly not. 1563004;1478284843;trinque;however, this environmental change doesn't look too hospitable to a clinton. we'll find out. 1563005;1478285205;BingoBoingo;trinque: You worldview may be tinted by Texas colored glasses. Dindus, MENA refugees, and white heroin are rapibly eroding the suburbs elsewhere. 1563006;1478285371;BingoBoingo;James Lafond presents Urban America is an environmental change 1563007;1478285537;BingoBoingo;!!up wyrdmantis 1563008;1478285537;deedbot;wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes. 1563009;1478285679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider the case of "quantum computer", picked randomly from a set of these. you, or i, or others here possess the math and physics needed to evaluate that thing. and so we know, as a factual matter, it dun exist. 1563010;1478285733;asciilifeform;aaat least i'd be quite surprised if it turned up. 1563011;1478285735;mircea_popescu;a whole whorde of "educated" kids with an interest in "science" and "technology" do not. it's not merely that they do not know what we know ; it's that they do not know HOW we know. to them knowledge isn't this multi-dimensional accounting system which sums to null on all edges. 1563012;1478285742;asciilifeform;it is 'ufological' curio. 1563013;1478285751;mircea_popescu;to them it's a case of "what do most of the teachers seem to consensus" because then that's "of course" known. 1563014;1478285760;mircea_popescu;and therefore to them, "the cathedral" and "quantum computing". 1563015;1478286041;mircea_popescu;the indignity of adult female caught in nonsensical academic expectations on a college campus, trying to "keep up", at least as far as appearances go, through social engineering her way through the teachers, cold reading them like the last lounge lizzard and at all times trying to scent the prevailing opinion in the wind like some sort of illiterate but desperate fox is not apparent to any who've not fucked them as such. stil 1563016;1478286042;mircea_popescu;l, it's there, and it's a thing. it's also a way of life - apparently, for an entire people by now. 1563017;1478286403;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1563018;1478286404;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 437347 | Current Difficulty: 2.5361824664148953E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 437471 | Next Difficulty In: 124 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1563019;1478286422;mircea_popescu;shinohai consider maybe making an estimator ? 1563020;1478287197;trinque;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Nov/17 << lynx users beware 1563021;1478287295;shinohai;O.o 1563022;1478287363;mircea_popescu;wut ? 1563023;1478287376;mircea_popescu;that is correct behaviour. http://google.com?hackdog.me should go to hackdog.me 1563024;1478287403;mircea_popescu;the fact that "Your browser" fucks up url parsing isn't an argument. 1563025;1478287745;trinque;question mark isn't a valid hostname character, only [a-zA-Z0-9][a-zA-Z0-9-_]* iirc, or thereabouts 1563026;1478287800;trinque;also use moar dns 1563027;1478287885;phf;YOU COULD BE TRICKED!!! 1563028;1478288202;asciilifeform;also yer browser takes every www page it loads, synthesizes into peptide, and injects straight into the nearest vein on yer neck. so going to WRONG!1111 www is a Bad THing. 1563029;1478288562;mircea_popescu;trinque that is true, which is why it should go to hackdog.me. the last dot gives the top level domain, ie me. the thing before that, is the local domain, ie hackdog. the thing before that is in error and thus discarded. 1563030;1478288599;mircea_popescu;they're patching the error of lynx doing the right thing in 2016 as it did in 1996 ; except meanwhile everyone else went fucking clueless. 1563031;1478290372;phf;modern browser will helpfully render that url as "google" for you, so as not to confuse with such complexities as domain hierarchy, protocols, paths, queries, etc. so once they went down that path of madness incorrect parsing becomes a "YOU COULD BE TRICKED" situation, because you could, thank you google 1563032;1478290431;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1563033;1478290871;mircea_popescu;this is more of the same bullshit "oh you asked a question, OF COURSE you wanted an answer from wikipedia, because in our arbitrary private listing "wikipedia" is what answers questions because we say so, and therefore here's a "search engine" which is a machine of returning the "most relevant" results for your query according to our handmade list of what should be relevant and therefore is." 1563034;1478290913;mircea_popescu;how this nonsense is supposed to pass muster is anyone's guess. america dun need to be made great again because according to wikipedia it still is! 1563035;1478291029;mircea_popescu;google.com?hackdog.me should go to google com notwithstanding it belongs to hackdog.me by the standard because IT HAS GOOGLE COM IN IT!!1 and hackdog.me doesn't understand how the world works! and anyone who still remembers the standard is just putin's bitch! and hurr durr! 1563036;1478291303;*;phf suspects hackgod.me has a significantly higher snr than google.com 1563037;1478291325;phf;the typo was unintentional 1563038;1478293572;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/EJZTx << $82 for frozen collard greens in neiman marcus xmas catalogue. because being a poor black person is en vogue! 1563039;1478293635;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1563019 << that'd be cool. it's been ages since we've had that function. 1563040;1478293635;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 19:07 mircea_popescu: shinohai consider maybe making an estimator ? 1563041;1478293667;shinohai;Chitterlings cost extra pete_dushenski ? 1563042;1478293843;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562985 << this ties into the earlier thread about nra membership leading to 'buy gold!' spamola in the post box. just having identified that the stock markets and fiat money markets are rigged or that the gendarmerie are on schedule is considered salvation, and this is cemented with the purchase of talisman xyz against evil spirits of clitlerokracy. 1563043;1478293843;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 18:28 mircea_popescu: the mechanism at issue is this god forsaken bit of americana tardism where recognition = knowledge. 1563044;1478293881;pete_dushenski;!~google chitterlings 1563045;1478293882;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: Chitterlings - Wikipedia: ; Down Home Chitterlings Recipe - Allrecipes.com: ; Creole Chitterlings (Chitlins) Recipe - Allrecipes.com: 1563046;1478293920;pete_dushenski;shinohai: is this also 'afroamerican cuisine' ? 1563047;1478293986;*;pete_dushenski reads. finds that it is so. battered and fried pig guts! oooeee! 1563048;1478294012;shinohai;Yup, makes jews everywhere retch in disgust. 1563049;1478294020;shinohai;Even some Xtians 1563050;1478294021;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562902 << couldn't have timed it better. 1563051;1478294021;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 16:45 asciilifeform: (apparently law passed in 2007 !! but 'funding delayed' for 9 years..) 1563052;1478294033;pete_dushenski;shinohai: moslems too 1563053;1478294106;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562882 << one wonders, if coffee shop is so dodgy (ie. only men are comfortable there), what are womeninbusiness doing there ? 1563054;1478294106;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 14:34 phf: there's a dodgy israeli coffee shop in the neighborhood (they make shakshuka and burek though, which are good, when the israeli guy is running the kitchen), which is a favorite meeting spot for local "career" women. i just spent about an hour half listening to a conversation, and for the love of me i can't figure out what it's about. "yeah should reach out to such and such i was on his board" "yeah such and such is now at such and such 1563055;1478294201;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562842 << looks like only the three writers/contestents are interested in voting huh. democracy inaction! 1563056;1478294201;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 02:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-03#1562665 << yeah thinking about it i'm gonna do a democratic thing here. so the recognized participants being diana_coman hanbot and BingoBoingo - agree amonst yourselves to select a winner and let me know who it is. 1563057;1478294376;BingoBoingo;lol trinque http://qntra.net/2016/11/hillary-brod-out-with-epstein-on-sex-island-six-times/#comment-77508 1563058;1478294522;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed1OjAuRARU << speaking of lighting arrangements, .co.il drone hacks philips 'smart' light bulbs from outside buildings. iot ftw. 1563059;1478294531;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well they're the only ones with a voice in there. 1563060;1478294571;phf;pete_dushenski: things that i find dodgy are the kind of things that attract womeninbusiness obviously 1563061;1478294654;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: where's 'there' ? is voting l1, l2,... ? 1563062;1478294664;pete_dushenski;phf: that could be sbux 1563063;1478294712;mircea_popescu;it's just among teh named participants. 1563064;1478294715;pete_dushenski;when i think 'israeli owned dodgy coffee shop' i think of a place with open baklava on the front deli counter, flies buzzing, dirty white linoleum floors, dusty ceiling fans, etc 1563065;1478294805;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: rereading, i can see that. i guess it was just ambiguous on first reading. my bad. 1563066;1478294966;phf;oh i see, some movie Brooklyn stereotype, in my experience though israelis run a tight ship 1563067;1478295157;phf;but no in this case israeli is the reason why i was there (for a burek) but the dodgy is everything else about the place. it might as well be starbucks, except they don't have those fancy starbucks machines so the "baristas" can fuck up however they want and they do 1563068;1478295427;mircea_popescu;i cant recall the last time someone fucked up my coffee 1563069;1478295433;phf;but they sometimes have this guy cooking, who i think is owner's relative, and he always looks like he just came back from a party in eilat or herzliya, completely out of place for the area. he knows how to cook a shakshuka really well 1563070;1478295491;mircea_popescu;lol tru russian jew, goes to new york, starts day with shakshuka breafkast at coffee shop 1563071;1478296263;shinohai;http://archive.is/IGurI <<< so my TV is a samsung, I am assuming it isn't long until it blows up and takes me with it. I hereby bequeath my Eulora loot to mircea_popescu 1563072;1478296277;mircea_popescu;lol 1563073;1478296646;asciilifeform;lul, 'fbi hq bugged' etc 1563074;1478297130;mircea_popescu;truth be told the us is a whole lot more entertaining in sinking than it ever was sailing. 1563075;1478298409;asciilifeform;ah -- ~dnc~ hq 1563076;1478298456;trinque;"jus like watergate u guise!!1!" 1563077;1478298492;trinque;mircea_popescu: entertaining as all hell, and I never even got to see sailing. 1563078;1478298541;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/coincidences-today-police-officers-being-shot-in-pairs/ << Qntra - Coincidences Today: Police Officers Being Shot In Pairs 1563079;1478298885;BingoBoingo;^ In other voter suppression 1563080;1478299505;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/F5kuW << assange has been reading logs, mostly alf lines. "Clinton & ISIS funded by same money, Trump won’t be allowed to win!" 1563081;1478299680;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/4YqTK << from same rag. looks like russian embargo is working as planned. ehhNOT! 1563082;1478300872;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/gc7w6/?raw=true 1563083;1478300872;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1563084;1478301362;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-437364.txt 1563085;1478304842;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/bitfinex-publicity-spree-touts-changes-but-security-unmentioned/ << Qntra - Bitfinex Publicity Spree Touts Changes But Security Unmentioned 1563086;1478307243;mircea_popescu;^ amusingly, that qntra was actually in the logs months ago wasn;t it 1563087;1478307315;shinohai;But it's the *new and improved* buttfinex 1563088;1478307342;mircea_popescu;no i meant the one with the policemen 1563089;1478307347;mircea_popescu;getting shit 1563090;1478307349;mircea_popescu;shot* 1563091;1478307352;mircea_popescu;eh whatever. 1563092;1478309327;mod6;I here by nominate hanbot for the Song of the Year Grammy Award for http://thewhet.net/2016/elliot-and-james-a-drinking-song/ 1563093;1478310148;mircea_popescu;and in other non pareils, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e04185a4823149876b63e7e47202faff/tumblr_n9d0t5ADuG1sl0njeo1_500.gif 1563094;1478310220;mod6;cones with sprinkles 1563095;1478312404;hanbot;why ty mod6 1563096;1478312521;hanbot;also, wikipedia pretense breaking down via kindergarten illustrations (found @ 'exertional rhabdomyolysis'): http://archive.is/dNLHL 1563097;1478312631;hanbot;reminds me of that old maddox bit on kids' drawings, "holy shit, i've never seen a fire truck that needed to be shaved before" 1563098;1478312781;shinohai;Just looking at that picture causes rhabdomyolysis 1563099;1478314150;BingoBoingo; ^ amusingly, that qntra was actually in the logs months ago wasn;t it << Yes, but happened. 1563100;1478314571;mircea_popescu;ahaha oh teh fire truck 1563101;1478314600;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha. 1563102;1478315046;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at the house of strangely shaped rooms with unlikely flooring, http://68.media.tumblr.com/17bb2853e6acd0d8d9a7437832f937d1/tumblr_n9cshihtJU1qdtr76o1_1280.jpg 1563103;1478317686;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-jurors-for-the-said-commonwealth-on-their-oath-present-that-lizzie-andrew-borden-of-fall-river-in-the-county-of-bristol-at-fall-river-in-the-county-of-bristol-on-the-fourth-day-of-august-in-the/ << Trilema - The Jurors for the said Commonwealth, on their oath present that Lizzie Andrew Borden of Fall River in the County of Bristol, at Fall River in the County of Bristol, on the fourth day of August in the year eigtheen hundred 1563104;1478320556;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1563105;1478320576;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4745.14, vol: 4145552.27180000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4745.14 1563106;1478320614;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1563107;1478320619;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 701.42, vol: 4971.34876054 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 693.999, vol: 4300.37561 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 704.99, vol: 12933.23304787 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 702.45832, vol: 4145583.37550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 704.959, vol: 1618.28524556 | Volume-weighted last average: 702.457180633 1563108;1478340408;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562957 <- unsurprisingly this simply means decision is back to mircea_popescu ; fwiw and in the interst of a last attempt to reaching a decision on this, the way I see all this is that hanbot's is the merriest, BingoBoingo's is the goriest&most willful, mine is the most truthful to the original; so a decision would be a choice between those three aspects and I'm unsure what was the goal of the 1563109;1478340408;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 18:20 hanbot: BingoBoingo diana_coman mircea_popescu "right mess" indeed lol. anyway, i appreciated bb's story on account of its total lack of fear or restraint, and diana's for its jabs, particularly the spellchecker. i'll be naming myself though, on the simple criteria of having liked it best. as far as second and third places go i'll name bb second and diana third, for no other reason than to see all possible positions expressed. 1563110;1478340408;diana_coman; contest anyway; considering however that it was set for Halloween, I guess I'd go with "goriest" and therefore BingoBoingo should win; as a side, I must say I don't quite follow the point of "all possible positions expressed" since they were quite clear/obvious anyway; 1563111;1478346680;BingoBoingo;I don't think mine was that gory. All I did was create the necessary space for Elliot to die a bloody but natural death while also becoming a hero a Britain. 1563112;1478351685;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-october-2016-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), October 2016 Statement 1563113;1478352329;mircea_popescu;and in today's injectable dose of lulz, "Hillary Clinton backed by Beyoncé and Jay Z in battleground state of Ohio." 1563114;1478352518;mircea_popescu;meanwhile from the "fucktoys are people too" camp, https://archive.is/qMmm8 1563115;1478352702;mircea_popescu;meanwhile from that one's sister, equally qualified to freely speak her absent mind, "Security forces kill tens of ISIS suiciders, free village in Mosul". 1563116;1478352740;mircea_popescu;"suciders" don't you know. that's totally how i'm going to list the dead usg agents if/when they actually get their balls in order and try a move : "here's a list of usg suiciders". 1563117;1478352769;mircea_popescu;(the part where mosul is a town apparently made out of villages i can understand - so is buenos aires. the orcs dun do urban life.) 1563118;1478355946;diana_coman;BingoBoingo, gory by comparison to mine and hanbot's simply 1563119;1478356100;shinohai;hanbot 's could be gory, depending on how much you drink while reading it. 1563120;1478356690;mats;if i was a participant, i'd offer one of the other two half of the winnings if they supported my bid 1563121;1478356751;mats;is that democratic enough? 1563122;1478357068;trinque;nah, needs more pedophilia 1563123;1478357277;mats;i don't even know what to make of this jeffrey epstein business 1563124;1478357751;mats;can someone explain to me what they think is going on there 1563125;1478357795;mats;because it looks like a smear, and a weak one at that 1563126;1478358006;mircea_popescu;clinton eats babies. 1563127;1478358025;mats;i guess i'll have to read the filings 1563128;1478358081;mircea_popescu;woman has an aide who worked with some dudes who go around picking convicted sex offenders out of jail and setting up with clandestine businesses to send over "missionaries" to poor shitholes and buy kids ; and then keep those kids in brothels. 1563129;1478358141;mircea_popescu;the entire operation has had the full support of bahamas' dept of lulstice, including by refusing to convene grand juries in spite of police building cases, and in actually threatening police depts 1563130;1478358182;mircea_popescu;pretty much an exact redo of the whole milosevich business, amusingly enough by the very people who hanged him. 1563131;1478358271;mircea_popescu;(and no i don't think this is a coincidence, i think they simply imported the serbian apparatus, physically when feasible, or else rebuilt from recipe the missing parts.) 1563132;1478358500;hanbot;"S.NSA is expected to realise operating revenue next period." << exciting bonbon in this month's s.nsa report. if FUCKGOATS didn't knock one's tongue out, anyway. 1563133;1478358507;mircea_popescu;lol 1563134;1478358517;mircea_popescu;hey, gotta keep with the NAMINGCONVENTION 1563135;1478358567;hanbot;i see what you mean, BOSSMAN 1563136;1478358607;*;trinque is very excited 1563137;1478358615;trinque;take my money already 1563138;1478358620;mats;yes finally 1563139;1478358622;mircea_popescu;:p 1563140;1478358700;mats;is keeping kids a purely economic activity or are they kept around for intel operations like these? 1563141;1478358710;mircea_popescu;mats anyway, it puts in perspective for the general public just how fucking lulzy the entire "omfg they're going to blow us out of the water, quick, quick, something sexual with trump! oh, i know, we'll just pretend like he grabs ass! THAT WILL LOOK SO GOOD TWO WEEKS LATER!!!" 1563142;1478358753;mats;ie, blackmailing stupid people that also aspire to elected service 1563143;1478358784;mircea_popescu;mats prostitution was always a major money maker throughout history. in idiotic societies such as the us, preteens and other unfit for whoredom (boys, whatever) are both prized by the patrons contrary to sense (you really want to fuck a 13yo rather than a 26 yo ? because why, you like fucking walls ?) and useful for the madams because hey, blackmail afterwards. 1563144;1478358792;mircea_popescu;it's a very... self-hating world, this us. 1563145;1478358854;mircea_popescu;they will literally pay more to have shitty sex with inept whores BECAUSE this is something that'll for sure come back to haunt them. i say just introduce mantises and be done with it already. 1563146;1478358959;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563102 << judging by a bag of chips and many gnarly waterproof slippers it's one of those turkish/russian baths 1563147;1478358959;a111;Logged on 2016-11-05 03:04 mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at the house of strangely shaped rooms with unlikely flooring, http://68.media.tumblr.com/17bb2853e6acd0d8d9a7437832f937d1/tumblr_n9cshihtJU1qdtr76o1_1280.jpg 1563148;1478358965;mircea_popescu;anyway. obama's choice (we'll prosecute drugs ; not prostitution) exactly mirrors the proceeds of eg appalachian convention and generally the prevailing opinion in the mob. when you have only limited enforcing capacity, as you necessarily will, fighting prostitution is unfeasible. 1563149;1478359020;mircea_popescu;phf http://68.media.tumblr.com/132fdbc2f7bbb4d2a965a8bf7d17dbda/tumblr_n9cshihtJU1qdtr76o4_1280.jpg just about. though kinda poorly made. 1563150;1478359142;mats;so epstein is the brothel operator? 1563151;1478359334;mircea_popescu;epstein is one of many such squires, let's call them. the squire's estate consists of a brothel, which may be obv multiple physical locations but generally arranged in a star pattern, a harvesting operation, his connections to the democrat party (in this case via abedin-clinton-obama). he doesn't do his own marketing, the people running the whole thing do. 1563152;1478359404;mircea_popescu;generally they don't maintain their own muscle, but rely on the krysha to force the local police depts into acting as muscle for them, which is a major centralizing effect of the scheme (historically this worked under the hand of the local police, providing THEM the revenues - as seen even today in eg argentina) 1563153;1478359421;mircea_popescu;and also the reason the local police don't much care for it. so they're (reluctantly) pushing back. 1563154;1478359433;mircea_popescu;and hence "fbi is trumpland" lalala. 1563155;1478359478;mircea_popescu;and yes they're VERY fucking busy all around mosul these days. tons and tons of "ngos" "charity workers" and whatnot. apparently preteen muslim meat is at a premium for some reason. 1563156;1478359651;mircea_popescu;and also a major reason why eg european politicians take "irrational" measures such as allowing refugees in. yes it's true that a thousand refugees will cost the local community in excess of ten million before it's all settled. BUT, importantly, a thousand refugees contain at least a dozen harvestable bodies, which provide for the politicians ie "modern democracy" criminal organisation a hefty 1mn+ in revenue. 1563157;1478359692;mircea_popescu;because rarely they get to skim as much as 10% of a public works contract, this is from an economic perspective a much better deal. unfortunately it doesn't scale - but in the end days of the empire scale is the last of the concern of the scurrying rats. 1563158;1478359814;mats;in your telling of this story, are bill/hrc complicit in the pedoring or is that bit merely incidental or manufactured for use as blackmail? 1563159;1478359845;mircea_popescu;i'm not going to push the shockwave. if and when the pics show up you'll know. 1563160;1478359909;mircea_popescu;in either case there can be no sane construction in which this makes the first hair of a difference. really, you wish to know whether the oil merchant spilled any ? because why, in treelogic this makes a difference ? 1563161;1478359970;mats;i don't know that bill patronized whores, or his particular place in this scheme 1563162;1478360588;phf;i suspect they are not necessarily framed as whores, there are layers of deniability there. k street parties will have girls, sourced from local sororities by enterprising promoters. it could be factored in the "price" of admission and if you're there it's for you. but you can also say that "oh i was there discussing business, i didn't much mind the semi naked drunk supermodels staggering about, for i'm a married man" 1563163;1478361671;asciilifeform;possible that also/instead for organs, vs buggery ?? 1563164;1478361705;asciilifeform;(just how many homo-pederasts are there in usa..?) 1563165;1478362002;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the circus, https://archive.is/Qihmf 1563166;1478362036;asciilifeform;'Every person in Bitcoin failed. We are looking at 100% failure rate. I could go on and on about my involvement but the fact of the matter is, I'm rich and everyone else is poor. Rant aside, every one of my projects has magically disappeared - I'm talking about full stacks in every market. Why? Every project I did, Peercover, Providence, Simple Exchange, Simple Stocks, Omega Interpreter, Webmata - massively sued legal entities out as 1563167;1478362036;asciilifeform; people, corporations, and governments attacked me. Then, they tried to kill me. NOW I'M FUCKING RICH.' 1563168;1478362576;trinque;asciilifeform: aren't young adults better for organ harvesting? 1563169;1478362597;trinque;I guess you could catch 'em early, but then have to feed/house until you take out the parts. 1563170;1478363116;asciilifeform;afaik 12yo parts are wholly usable 1563171;1478363599;mircea_popescu;phf for sure. the one thing everyone-other-than-mp excels at is misusing words and misrepresenting themselves. 1563172;1478363624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform who is this then ?! 1563173;1478363778;mircea_popescu;anyway, afaik the chinese are a lot bigger on the whole new organs biz than the us. i dunno that there's so much market in it - the doctors generally take a dim view. 1563174;1478364222;mod6;trinque is very excited << same! 1563175;1478364462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have nfi who, but very telling that there are now fake mircea_popescus in the psych wards in place of the old napoleons. 1563176;1478364484;asciilifeform;then again it is old trend, there was reptilia etc. 1563177;1478365465;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563116 << betcha it was a mistranslation from rt, 'смертники' 1563178;1478365465;a111;Logged on 2016-11-05 13:32 mircea_popescu: "suciders" don't you know. that's totally how i'm going to list the dead usg agents if/when they actually get their balls in order and try a move : "here's a list of usg suiciders". 1563179;1478365517;asciilifeform;(originally word implied berserker/kamikaze mission, but in modern times often refers to anyone who is expected to fight to the death or at least set off 'shaheed belt' as last hurrah) 1563180;1478366613;mircea_popescu;pretty funny up here. 1563181;1478366776;mircea_popescu;anyway, apparently this is some ethereum nonsense. "Here is the all JS in browser distributed web solution: http://www.webmata.org." 1563182;1478366793;mircea_popescu;pretty funny, seeing how a product code FUTIPEMATA is definitely in the books. 1563183;1478366863;mircea_popescu;getting back to the red cups, http://68.media.tumblr.com/fcab5ee7f717462947558ae26c6b82f0/tumblr_n9c070ggMe1stjm8io1_1280.jpg 1563184;1478369146;shinohai;https://twitter.com/gonzoucab/status/793791655090458625 1563185;1478369675;mircea_popescu;would be a lot more interesting if roger ver actually had enough money to pay for his gas. 1563186;1478370514;mats;https://bitbet.us/bet/1330/new-trump-wins-bet-with-no-weighting-decay for last minute bettors 1563187;1478371517;mircea_popescu;aww check that out no action since may 1563188;1478375901;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/05/public-vs-private-goods-or-why-theres-no-bugatti-comp/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Public vs. private goods, or why there’s no Bugatti-comp. 1563189;1478379802;ben_vulpes;!~later tell pete_dushenski can't recall when you asked about my shitball, but 3.7 M so far 1563190;1478379802;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded. 1563191;1478382206;ben_vulpes;https://thehftguy.wordpress.com/2016/11/01/docker-in-production-an-history-of-failure/ << yup 1563192;1478384650;shinohai;!!unrate covertress 1563193;1478384652;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/sjgcb/?raw=true 1563194;1478384732;shinohai;!!v 64C0ED78BEDD5BEFFB99156A99D13AEF9E841CE7B65269BA85B0800118CCE0F9 1563195;1478384732;deedbot;shinohai unrated covertress. 1563196;1478384742;shinohai;^ lost key 1563197;1478384813;BingoBoingo;lol https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5atzg4/the_developers_behind_the_core_fork_of_the/d9jhqfo/ 1563198;1478384878;shinohai;"Half of the links are nothing but Butts. Good looking ones at that." LOL 1563199;1478384884;shinohai;Red Cups 1563200;1478392884;mircea_popescu;lol i'm too busy popping in eulora to give a shit about retarddit 1563201;1478392922;*;shinohai read that as pooping there for a sec ... 1563202;1478392958;mircea_popescu;but just to be on the safe side / cover all the bases, http://68.media.tumblr.com/9b29ebfcb689f65e43262ceb37068b60/tumblr_n5rhymeyYL1tv3y9wo1_1280.jpg 1563203;1478393153;mircea_popescu;and in today biblical study : david, the ever so wise king of the jews, got up one night with an itch. he walked around on his roof, and spied the poor wife of one of his soldiers, who was taking a bath in the middle of the night because with those nuts and their door manners it wasn't fucking safe to bathe in the daytime like normal people. 1563204;1478393212;mircea_popescu;so he fucked her to pregnancy, after which he tried to recall the husband, figurting he'd fuck her too and never know the difference. except the guy was having too much of a fun time with the other boys over in the barracks so he wouldn't come. so david had him killed (classical "behead the bearer of this letter" sorta thing) and married the woman. 1563205;1478393238;mircea_popescu;except a nosy prophet (sent, of course, by the lord) reproached him, so david confessed. as punishment - his kid with the woman died. that's how you punish a dude! 1563206;1478393265;mircea_popescu;as punishment ++, his beloved son rose in rebellion decades later, and to cement his claim to the crown he... publicly fucked a dozen of david's concubines. 1563207;1478393274;mircea_popescu;~the end~ 1563208;1478393961;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes holy shit i didn't realise the retards are THAT dysfunctional. 1563209;1478393982;mircea_popescu;remind me, why does anyone take the reddit kids seriously ? 1563210;1478393987;mircea_popescu;oh wait. nobody does. nm. 1563211;1478394732;mircea_popescu;the incredible part is that he fucking seriously proposes to "keep an eye on kubernetes" ? dude, no. just no. ban anyone even remotely involved in anything to do with docker from ever being hired as anything but menial labor. 1563212;1478395366;mircea_popescu;just to be on the safe side /me nipped https://archive.is/ksb0T#selection-4343.0-4351.5 's wings a litte ( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d1wcf/?raw=true registered as comment 149). curious if the guy publishes it or not. 1563213;1478399710;ben_vulpes;doubtful, they're all a part of the 'tech scene' 1563214;1478401823;mircea_popescu;oh i see, it's a scene. 1563215;1478401870;ben_vulpes;long black hair in front of the eyes and all i imagine 1563216;1478401925;mircea_popescu;his insulating random myspace whore from her own image might do me grave disservice i fear ... 1563217;1478401964;ben_vulpes;would you go so far as to say that he has done you a violence? 1563218;1478401984;mircea_popescu;well not so far as all that. 1563219;1478403032;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, secret service just did dry run on trump, alf will be pleased to know 1563220;1478403277;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/5LhT2 << in other "kubernetes is the future" news, calling the empire "the republic", pretending like the corpse is down with the flu and etcetera. 1563221;1478403975;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what is a 'dry run' in this context? 1563222;1478403987;mircea_popescu;carry the man off. 1563223;1478404013;mircea_popescu;apparently someone reading the logs got nervous as to whether they can or can't pull it off in a pinch. 1563224;1478404028;ben_vulpes;in actual defense of the man? 1563225;1478404035;ben_vulpes;as* in 1563226;1478404037;mircea_popescu;"actual defense" ? 1563227;1478404054;mircea_popescu;what was he being defended from ? 1563228;1478404076;mircea_popescu;!~google "take the hand off the suit, creep" 1563229;1478404077;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Frank Sinatra - "Let's start the action!": ; That Kind Of Woman · Sinatra's Rules “For me, a tuxedo is a way of...: ; Golden Years: My Brief Bromance With Frank Sinatra - Ivy Style: ; Abu Hamza - Wikipedia: ; Abu Hamza Al Ansari Profiles | Facebook: 1563257;1478480285;mircea_popescu;guy that was killed in june by ypg missile (as reported by ypg) and in january by the syrians (as reported by the saa) was just killed in mosul, according to the kurds. 1563258;1478480306;mircea_popescu;this guy turns out to be pretty useful, an isis "top commander" you can keep killing bianually. 1563259;1478481043;mircea_popescu;and in other high performance hanger hardware, http://68.media.tumblr.com/cf48c2dd3a769c4a49878a98a1d0fa1e/tumblr_mzw3wtZnYV1qdtr76o1_1280.jpg 1563260;1478491397;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/cryptome-pk-forgery-2.jpg << holy shit, somebody ~uses that thing~ ??! 1563261;1478491412;asciilifeform;the 'official pgp key server' 1563262;1478492573;BingoBoingo;In other whitewashing of the rapefugee situation https://archive.is/w67VD 1563263;1478493933;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5612&pr=1 << James Lafond Present the Place Fiat Businesses register their incorporations 1563264;1478494751;BingoBoingo;a lollerpop http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/10/20/found-out 1563265;1478517978;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: LOL Radix. When White Nationalists learn big words and pretend to be academics. 1563266;1478518982;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cryptome is a little odwn ? 1563267;1478518997;mircea_popescu;PeterL apparently no archived version of the url. is the bot doing that ? 1563268;1478519203;mircea_popescu;can anyone think of any possible reason thestringpuller is actually voiced here ? i've just about had it, the snr ratio is by my count exactly 0, if you got something i wanna hear it plox. 1563269;1478519546;Framedragger;i personally don't see how he is doing any worse in terms of snr as compared so some others. (e.g., myself; that's probably not an argument that is very favourable to me, but anyway). don't see why you are suddenly so fussed. 1563270;1478519565;Framedragger;unless it wasn't 'sudden' in the first place 1563271;1478519865;mircea_popescu;the fundamental difference is that you do things. 1563272;1478520203;thestringpuller;I've always had beef with Radix, we gonna start arguing about white nationalism again? 1563273;1478520311;mircea_popescu;i couldn't give less of a shit. the linked article is actually pretty good ; your categorical judgements don't interest me in the slightest, because in the five or so years you've been hanging around you did exactly nothing i can recall. anyone here can write a script to be you in an evening and that'd be the end of the matter. 1563274;1478520332;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot thestringpuller 1563275;1478520332;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 6 by 6 connections. 1563276;1478520375;mircea_popescu;!!ratings thestringpuller 1563277;1478520375;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/92zcf/?raw=true 1563278;1478520415;mircea_popescu;gah i always confuse these 1563279;1478520418;mircea_popescu;!!reputation thestringpuller 1563280;1478520419;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/p0nxy/?raw=true 1563281;1478520445;mircea_popescu;!!unrate thestringpuller 1563282;1478520447;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/xavcr/?raw=true 1563283;1478520467;mircea_popescu;!!v 14DF7639933EDBA02C6ED9C20C0FA88CE94E1C2BB670BE77B7F870598FB984A5 1563284;1478520468;deedbot;mircea_popescu unrated thestringpuller. 1563285;1478520504;thestringpuller;yea. when i dived in eulora code and was told "this is a supermodel" i kinda started to question quite a bit, but okay! 1563286;1478520680;mircea_popescu;!~step4 1563287;1478520680;jhvh1;4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. 1563288;1478520983;thestringpuller;~> 1563289;1478521065;diana_coman;thestringpuller, I doubt you dived into eulora code; it was probably planeshift code you dived into and nobody said as far as I know that planeshift was any sort of supermodel 1563290;1478521092;mircea_popescu;no, he engaged into a bunch of pages of commentary on the margins of trilema articles is what he means. 1563291;1478521111;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea how one could be here this long AND STILL the slightest "go do shit, young man" fails to rub on their wings, but here it is. 1563292;1478521118;Framedragger;i consider his blog to be a public service 1563293;1478521135;trinque;diana_coman: "you don't do anything" -> "your mother is a whore" 1563294;1478521137;trinque;all that was 1563295;1478521144;mircea_popescu;it was ? 1563296;1478521158;trinque;his jawing about eulora 1563297;1478521180;mircea_popescu;fucking ridiculous, he's found the dude to play the escalation game with. 1563298;1478521462;mircea_popescu;Framedragger lemme spell this out ; without prejudice to you personally, here's how things go : communication is either enligthening the inferiors or beseeching the superiors. there IS NO SUCH THING AS EQUALITY. not in nature, ain't found. it's true that people may opt to abstractly, exactly in the way of any other ~delusion~, deem each other equals, perhaps on the basis that look, yesterday i was the superior he was beseechi 1563299;1478521462;mircea_popescu;ng and today he is the superior i am beseeching so let's call it a wash as this seems likely to repeat in the future. but this is fantasy, not reality. nothing wrong with it, by itself ; but also not something found in nature. 1563300;1478521462;mircea_popescu;communication to your superiors always carries a cost. if you write to your professor to ask him a bunch of dumb questions you're going to hear from him ; and if you try to disguise your questions as aything but questions, you belong expelled. there can not possibly be any other interaction between you and him. similarly with the other magisters, if you write your lawyer he will want 500 bux just to open the letter. for this 1563301;1478521465;mircea_popescu;reason. 1563302;1478521560;mircea_popescu;kids who go to real college where they learn real science also learn intrinsically this, that to asq a question is to beg for money, and to disguise your questions as anything else is felonious. so they get an over-active self censor. meanwhile the idiots who do not go to real college, but to fake empire college learn that they can overpower their better peers through sheer gab. because "human rights" and "freedom of speech" 1563303;1478521560;mircea_popescu;and an entire deluge of words words words. 1563304;1478521589;mircea_popescu;i ain't about to stand for it. the politicos get to pay per line for their existence. everyone else is free to say whatever the fuck. which is exactly why i'm not counting your snr, but i am counting his. 1563305;1478521722;Framedragger;hm, well, understood. 1563306;1478521748;Framedragger;thanks for clarifying 1563307;1478521770;mircea_popescu;dun mention it. 1563308;1478524143;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563267 << do you mean the crypto.me link? looks like it is a problem on the archive.is end, bot submitted link and got back error, I just tried to submit the link manually and got error 1563309;1478524143;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 11:43 mircea_popescu: PeterL apparently no archived version of the url. is the bot doing that ? 1563310;1478524156;mircea_popescu;myeah, the whole stack fell over ;/ 1563311;1478527688;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, check out robert reich : his latest https://archive.is/khty2 reprinted verbatim by salon, this aspiring qntra of velleity. 1563312;1478528156;mircea_popescu;for the curious : salon (QTCQB:SLNM) was made by some derpy journos fired by 2nd rate san francisco outlets back in 1994. they "explored the web" accruing ~100mn dollars in losses by the end of the dotcom bubble. it is still unprofitable to this day, if more moderately, losing a few million each year hence. 1563313;1478528306;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/HuZpy << this was a genuine pwnhole but the style of writing is quite peculiar. 1563314;1478528323;mircea_popescu;the bid is 0.00021367, the ask is 0.0003418, there's no open bids, there's no daily range, the average volume for the past 30 days is 139, worth about four bitcents give or take, or in other words a tiny fraction of qntra';s (MPEX:S.QNTR) 1.1999952 btc. 1563315;1478528413;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563267 << the reason, appears, is that j. young has joined the list of derps who deliberately block archive.is 1563316;1478528413;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 11:43 mircea_popescu: PeterL apparently no archived version of the url. is the bot doing that ? 1563317;1478528439;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh. slug fears naught more than salt eh. 1563318;1478528474;mircea_popescu;(to round up the salon discussion : exactly nothing has changed since 2013, http://archive.is/FSDm9 ) 1563319;1478528489;asciilifeform;iirc the original d00d by that name may even have lost his head last year, and replaced with a ???. 1563320;1478528762;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563290 << eh he did write a bunch of fairly good qntras 1563321;1478528762;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 12:18 mircea_popescu: no, he engaged into a bunch of pages of commentary on the margins of trilema articles is what he means. 1563322;1478528794;mircea_popescu;i've no complaints with that. 1563323;1478528797;asciilifeform;e.g., http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ 1563324;1478529123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had nfi firewire is in the kernel. 1563325;1478529126;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck. 1563326;1478529140;asciilifeform;it's a driver !! 1563327;1478529149;asciilifeform;where didja think it lived. 1563328;1478529150;mircea_popescu;he means like optional module you gotta rebuild the kernel to get yes ? 1563329;1478529172;asciilifeform;well yes, most drivers end up as mods in linux traditionally 1563330;1478529185;*;BingoBoingo wondering if FUCKGOATS are indoor or outdoor pets, and what their feeding requirements are 1563331;1478529192;asciilifeform;but if you use 'african' linuxen, you have 'all' possible mods 1563332;1478529195;mircea_popescu;so then it's not actually in the kernel, unless by "the kernel" you mean "this binary blob maker of firewire hardware provides" 1563333;1478529221;mircea_popescu;i guess that's a point, huh. i c. 1563334;1478529243;asciilifeform;let's rephrase, unless you built own kernel, rationally, it is probably in yours, whether you want or not 1563335;1478529275;mircea_popescu;right. why they don't use the actual words that exist for the purpose of describing the situation, "it's a kernel module", even should it be qualified with "ubiquitous" or whatever i haven't the slightest idea. 1563336;1478529294;mircea_popescu;this "i can't fucking read" problem is getting worse ;/ 1563337;1478529472;mircea_popescu;upon re-read, this is almost interesting - the problem is the single sentence "The official fix was merged yesterday into the linux kernel, and so I can know talk freely about it.", which could in principle be reinterpreted to read his intended meaning into it. otherwise he's actually very proper in expression. 1563338;1478529649;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo 5 volts. 1563339;1478529664;BingoBoingo;Nice volts! 1563340;1478529822;asciilifeform;there is a substantial difference b/w the linux that a literate user, with some notion of hygiene, ends up with, and 'africa', and the treatment of modules is part of it 1563341;1478530441;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/clinton-thug-janet-reno-dies/ << Qntra - Clinton Thug Janet Reno Dies 1563342;1478530588;BingoBoingo;^ Possible dementia motivated Arkencide? 1563343;1478530665;shinohai;Good God I thought that woman was well past her expiration date anyway. 1563344;1478530722;mircea_popescu;microwbrew owl sez wut ?! http://68.media.tumblr.com/433efab7e70612a97cf3e62acba1435c/tumblr_mxwy47HBdW1sc0fxyo1_1280.jpg 1563345;1478532789;mircea_popescu;in other news, roflmao at the ustards. "newt gingrich is positioning himself to benefit from trump". what the everloving fuck, the dude is 70. meanwhile at the democrat side, "oh, once clinton wins elizabeth warren should say she'll run against her in 2020 if she's not bold and progressive enough". nigga, what the fuck, warren, other than being a total ditz, was born 1949. she will be seventy by 2020. 1563346;1478532813;mircea_popescu;this is ridiculous, what the fuck is a 70yo gonna do ? lead ? what, the bathroom beeline ? 1563347;1478532830;BingoBoingo;Well, this election cycle they run for the Presidency it seems. 1563348;1478532834;mircea_popescu;go the fuck home, raise some grandkids, work a garden. there's such a thing as retirement. for a fucking reason. 1563349;1478532854;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't hire a 70yo sales manager, why the fuck would i tolerate a 70yo politician ? go home. 1563350;1478532869;mircea_popescu;the age for that is late 40s to early 60s, not fucking 70+. 1563351;1478532872;mircea_popescu;the republic of geriatry. 1563352;1478532891;BingoBoingo;But no, talking about Newt and Warren given the "me generation" (i.e. babyboomers) hope that they are still useful at their slighlty lesser but still advanced age. 1563353;1478532901;mircea_popescu;ridoinculous. 1563354;1478534126;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563349 << eh we've all seen this film before 1563355;1478534126;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 15:34 mircea_popescu: i wouldn't hire a 70yo sales manager, why the fuck would i tolerate a 70yo politician ? go home. 1563356;1478534134;mircea_popescu;aha 1563357;1478534171;BingoBoingo;80's but rotated. 1563358;1478534223;mircea_popescu;then again after their experience with bahamas... 1563359;1478534250;mircea_popescu;this john lackland of the modern era... 1563360;1478534463;asciilifeform;speaking of this, in case anyone missed, clitler was Officially absolved of all sins and issued indulgence by obummer's lead inquisitor, etc. 1563361;1478534482;mircea_popescu;aha. i have nfi why they thought this is a +ev move, but whatever. 1563362;1478534501;mircea_popescu;bureaucrats are not noted for their brainpower. 1563363;1478534526;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elaborate why this was losing move..? 1563364;1478534554;BingoBoingo; speaking of this, in case anyone missed, clitler was Officially absolved of all sins and issued indulgence by obummer's lead inquisitor, etc. << No, charges were once declined to be recommended at this time. Notably not an acquital. 1563365;1478534558;mircea_popescu;nobody who thinks she's guilty changed his mind thereby ; nobody who thought the system is corrupt changed his mind thereby. what exactly does it deliver ? 1563366;1478534571;mircea_popescu;the fact that she was absolved makes more of a case against her than if they just let it lie. 1563367;1478534578;mircea_popescu;could have declared same a week after coronation. 1563368;1478534581;asciilifeform;it delivers the sheeple, who see it as absolution. 1563369;1478534591;mircea_popescu;lmao right. those who do would have already voted anyway. 1563370;1478535256;mircea_popescu;i suppose the point here is that it's insanely hard for system men to come to terms with the realisation that the system is doing more harm than good. after all if they believed that they wouldn't be in it in the first place. so they're bound, by the insane logic that castrates them,. to also believe that proclaiming clinton innocent actually helps her. 1563371;1478535268;mircea_popescu;it doesn't, but then again what did they ever do that actually made their lives better ? 1563372;1478535547;asciilifeform;well, just as with the last 'system' and its children, this one took a buncha folk who ought to have grown up washing the decks on godforsaken rusty freighters, or playing piano in whorehouses, and raised them onto suburban thrones, 'macmansions', 'professorships', etc. 1563373;1478535563;asciilifeform;so from the pov of the eaters - yes, benefited. 1563374;1478535564;asciilifeform;how else. 1563375;1478535570;mircea_popescu;as in they're substantially defective anyway ? 1563376;1478535630;asciilifeform;why do you suppose they measure ~any~ political setup from the pov of how far it lifts defectives out of their station ?? 1563377;1478535644;asciilifeform;that'd be why. 1563378;1478535666;mircea_popescu;it's a motley crew, some are deeply inept, like say the journowhore ("new york elite"!!!) woman that got kicked out. it's a wonder why the few and far between competent ones accept to sit at that table. 1563379;1478535678;mircea_popescu;then again, they mostly don't, just as soon as stole enough to take off they take off. 1563380;1478535729;asciilifeform;here's one local example from the nowhere company town where asciilifeform lives. at one time uni of md was on cost-cutting spree (as usual, quite selectively, but see below) and merged ~all~ of the sciences into 1 mega-department - chemistry, microbiology, physics, etc. all under 1 roof; 1563381;1478535740;asciilifeform;then the idea of doing the same to the 'womanities' was floated 1563382;1478535752;asciilifeform;and there was epic butthurt, almost as if they had suggested gassing the jews or whatnot 1563383;1478535759;mircea_popescu;heh 1563384;1478535764;asciilifeform;how RACIST 1563385;1478535767;asciilifeform;the idea! 1563386;1478535782;asciilifeform;of firing a bunch of monkeys redundantly appointed in 101 various 'studies' depts. 1563387;1478535792;mircea_popescu;it's altogether unclear the "social" "sciences" actually have reason to hold a chair at all. and this includes ALL of them : physchology, economy, what have you. 1563388;1478535804;asciilifeform;end result, monkeys - kept their jobs, every one, and have busily created more of themselves for past 5 yrs or so since this incident 1563389;1478535815;mircea_popescu;free food! 1563390;1478535822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'reason' in this case is that they are the politruks. 1563391;1478535846;mircea_popescu;that's not much reason. it is a cause, obviously, but that's a different story. 1563392;1478535859;trinque;clitler was only ever going to be prosecuted if the hairdo gets into office. that hasn't changed. 1563393;1478535954;mircea_popescu;the logic is judicious from the pov of socialist empire : the marginal utility of stem is actually nil, because whatever rocket they invent the russkis will steal and the chinese will make cheaper anyway ; whereas the marginal utility of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563151 is manifest : however many are needed to brew a head of fucktoys required by bill de blasio to forget the monkey at home. 1563394;1478535954;a111;Logged on 2016-11-05 15:22 mircea_popescu: epstein is one of many such squires, let's call them. the squire's estate consists of a brothel, which may be obv multiple physical locations but generally arranged in a star pattern, a harvesting operation, his connections to the democrat party (in this case via abedin-clinton-obama). he doesn't do his own marketing, the people running the whole thing do. 1563395;1478536057;mircea_popescu;the per-hooker value to bill is quantifiable, 20 bux or whatever ; and then this splits up into per-social-scientist benefit of whatever, fiddy cents. meanwhile the per-discovery value to bill is unquantifiable, and if quantified usually comes to ~0. 1563396;1478536082;mircea_popescu;so filling the field with "social science" tards is very reasonable, in that logic. 1563397;1478536168;mircea_popescu;there's a reason medieval empires always included sumptuary laws, which prevented the margins from benefitting from the discoveries/technologies. yes this has a cost in terms of aggregate productivity, BUT that cost can, and in practice usually is, offset by the benefit in political structuring. 1563398;1478536199;mircea_popescu;if the only way to get an ipad were to be on the list approved by bill, then bill'd have a direct incentive to fill u-of-m with physics dudes. 1563399;1478536255;mircea_popescu;if there's free flow of tech, then his only incentive is to optimize for max whoredom. 1563400;1478536348;mircea_popescu;which in the end is just another statement of that ancient observation that "our" modern democracy is cancer. 1563401;1478536366;asciilifeform;btw it is not clear to me that whoredom 'incubator' has to be in same building as physics 1563402;1478536379;asciilifeform;in su these were largely separate concerns. 1563403;1478536389;mircea_popescu;the problem there starts with the fact that human brain has fixed single attention span. 1563404;1478536392;asciilifeform;(there were factory dormitories etc. full of gurlz) 1563405;1478536393;mircea_popescu;so there's ever only one building. 1563406;1478536406;asciilifeform;well, 'dumb orcs' had 2, explain that. 1563407;1478536435;mircea_popescu;dumb orcs had a very feudal system of allocating the cunt - whereby the pretty ones would be married off and then used by the guy's bosses. 1563408;1478536462;mircea_popescu;this mostly worked that way because anticonceptional issues. 1563409;1478536516;mircea_popescu;(ie, soviets saw themselves as a national state, not as a mongrel empire. consequently population must be produced, can't be imported. consequently, all women must marry and bear 2.x children. consequently etc all the way down) 1563410;1478536602;mircea_popescu;whereas english speaking world on the contrary, is still a reimplementation (5th ?) of the "angevin empire", ie that ridoinculous construction of the house of plantagenet, kings in england, dukes of normandy and aquitanie, counts of anjou etc etc. 1563411;1478536623;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2016/thats-how-you-punish-a-dude/ << Daniel P. Barron - That’s how you punish a dude! 1563412;1478536962;shinohai;One day jhvh1 will have a mircea_popescu version of the Bible. It's so much more concise. 1563413;1478536978;mircea_popescu;not necessarily better for this reason 1563414;1478536994;mircea_popescu;(for one thing in that it is variant - next time i might tell the same anecdote an entirely different way) 1563415;1478537048;shinohai;Well it took 4 gospels to tell the story of Jesus. 1563416;1478537058;mircea_popescu;four to six. 1563417;1478537084;shinohai;(Not counting those cursed Apocryphal worx) 1563418;1478537094;mircea_popescu;which ones ? 1563419;1478537127;shinohai;Gospel of Barnabas 1563420;1478537174;shinohai;I have forgotten the number of gospels that weren't accepted into the canon 1563421;1478537197;mircea_popescu;yes yes, 6 reduces to 4, but which two to cut 1563422;1478537455;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563395 << this is not a wholly-correct model because it presumes honest physics etc. depts. 1563423;1478537455;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 16:27 mircea_popescu: the per-hooker value to bill is quantifiable, 20 bux or whatever ; and then this splits up into per-social-scientist benefit of whatever, fiddy cents. meanwhile the per-discovery value to bill is unquantifiable, and if quantified usually comes to ~0. 1563424;1478537467;asciilifeform;they have own, very similar, wholly usg-powered racket. 1563425;1478537567;mircea_popescu;what clothes the whores wear that year dun really enter in this discussion. point being reals vs "humanities". 1563426;1478537611;mircea_popescu;recall the "where are the rembrandts then" argument ? the us fails to produce a philosopher worth the mention every other decade ; athens managed that much on 1/1000th the population. 1563427;1478537626;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1563428;1478537639;mircea_popescu;and certainly 1/1000000 the "carbon". 1563429;1478539556;PeterL;From American "News": "major Wall Street analysts agree that the S&P 500 will likely sell off if Donald Trump wins, and at least hold gains if Hillary Clinton wins." << DOOM will befall you unless you elect our chosen leader! 1563430;1478539559;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/EFLbE << in other lulz, the losing side dreams too! bahamas on supreme court! stuffs! 1563431;1478539584;asciilifeform;PeterL: this was proclaimed ages ago, and regularly (~monthly) like clockwork. 1563432;1478539589;mircea_popescu;PeterL pretty sure that's accurate. lotta money gotta move if trump is in charge. 1563433;1478539597;asciilifeform;they even tested the 'panic' button a couplea times in past few years 1563434;1478539603;asciilifeform;disguised as 'technical problem' or what it was. 1563435;1478539639;mircea_popescu;of course, most of this "money" isn't much more substantial than the imaginary fortunes of adolescents cycling through their fantasy business career after fapping and pre falling asleep. 1563436;1478539641;mircea_popescu;but fwiw. 1563437;1478539736;mircea_popescu;!!up ZfhOkIvS 1563438;1478539736;deedbot;ZfhOkIvS voiced for 30 minutes. 1563439;1478539737;PeterL;that Robert Reich looks like a smug self-righteous bastard. 1563440;1478539739;mircea_popescu;neener. 1563441;1478539749;mircea_popescu;PeterL mostly because he is, 1563442;1478539765;PeterL;ok, I'm glad it is not just me that can see it 1563443;1478539784;mircea_popescu;he;s got a thing about why "we" "need" universal basic income too , complete with tedtalk-esque blockletters and whatnot. 1563444;1478539842;PeterL;5. In her inaugural address, Hillary Clinton promises to “wrest back control of our democracy and economy from the moneyed interests that have taken over both.” << how many different ways can the socialists say "seize the means of production"? 1563445;1478539852;mircea_popescu;heh. 1563446;1478539859;asciilifeform;~nobody in usa has seen, felt, touched, or smelled, 'actual' money, since ~fdr. 1563447;1478539862;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the knees apart bar, http://68.media.tumblr.com/18857c47e784768a830b8babfdb25a8e/tumblr_n5ywzhJ4kh1qequ10o1_1280.jpg 1563448;1478539876;asciilifeform;so it is not as if this particular batch of monopoly money were somehow ~more~ chumpatronic than the usual. 1563449;1478539892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the sort that moves the vax etc is by far the most chumpatronic. 1563450;1478539953;asciilifeform;and woah, is that... baba yaga, on the left ! 1563451;1478539971;mircea_popescu;trivial to show there's degrees of chumpatronic-ness of "money". take dollars as cash : they can be spent (while supplies last), they're basically equivalent to one of those coupons. 1563452;1478539974;asciilifeform;she needs to drink moar young blood, the face is starting to run 1563453;1478540016;mircea_popescu;meanwhile dollars as profits... can't be spent. they gotta be "realized" first ; which is a sterilizing gate (the sterilisation is called taxation for no sane reason, it's not a tax) 1563454;1478540035;mircea_popescu;meanwhile dollars as speculation... have to be booked as profits! before they can be realised. that's two degrees. 1563455;1478540052;mircea_popescu;it's more intricate than this, but should suffice to show that not all dollars are equally vaporous. 1563456;1478540078;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bad angle/bad light, i'm pretty sure. 1563457;1478540132;mircea_popescu;but anyway, since previous offering was rejected, here's more in the red cups : http://68.media.tumblr.com/23265b3bff12d4015d96c4a28373e7ac/tumblr_n7kruqyuG11stjm8io1_1280.jpg 1563458;1478540275;PeterL;"10. Rupert Murdoch fires Sean Hannity from Fox News." << this one I would also like to see happen 1563459;1478540349;mircea_popescu;(incidentally - the "sterilizing gate" view is a perfectly fine way to look at bitcoin prices. normal usd-land profits need to shed about half to two thirds before they can enter the economic circuit without blowing things up (too badly) ; meanwhile bitcoin has to expand NO LESS than 700x.) 1563460;1478540410;mircea_popescu;PeterL wouldn't he just move over to the next station for prolly more money ? 1563461;1478540474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is not clear to me that this is the most parsimonious model -- chumpatronicity is not as such a property of individual dollars, any more than ZIL-buying ability was a property of particular rubles in 1980. it is more that the actual coin of the realm - is something else 1563462;1478540491;mircea_popescu;how you mean ? 1563463;1478540540;asciilifeform;as in the old mircea_popescu article, where, e.g., buffett cannot send his dollar to isis, but king saud - can, etc 1563464;1478540569;asciilifeform;(on account of being different types of animal, rather than simply happening upon bags of different types of dollar) 1563465;1478540600;asciilifeform;or as in the 'this is my family rembrandt' thread. 1563466;1478540645;mircea_popescu;obviously it depends what you mean by "actual". if you mean nude object, then sure, any dollars that made their way to venus may be appreciated aesthetically by the venusians, and therefore they weren't really intrinsically chumpatronic. but in the system as it is, defined historically and therefore enclosed, it can be said the zil-buying ability is a paritcular property of rubles q rubles. 1563467;1478540670;asciilifeform;this really being how 'universal market' is an illusion, like newtonian mechanics, and, e.g., ben_vulpes's house, if sold, does not buy $epsilon gram of plutonium, but 0 gram. 1563468;1478540746;asciilifeform;whereas a suggestively worded letter from, perhaps, mircea_popescu, buys several kg, for less than ben_vulpes's car might fetch. 1563469;1478540774;mircea_popescu;yes but i was discussing degrees on one side of 0 and you seem to be discussing degrees on the other side. let's build a reconciled continuum : speculative gains (-3) -booking-> profits (-2) -realizing-> corporate cash (-1) -donation,salary,etc-> cash(0) -relations-> food (1) -connections-> cunt (2) -expertise-> plutonium (3) 1563470;1478540781;mircea_popescu;from -3 to +3 there's a buncha layers. 1563471;1478540805;mircea_popescu;company's 50 bux can not buy a democrat posters, your 50 bux can, but they can't buy you a goat in afghanistan. 1563472;1478540805;asciilifeform;i cannot dispute (largely from lack of direct exposure to the venus in question) the ordering, but only mechanism 1563473;1478540824;PeterL;mircea_popescu Nobody would pay Hannity more than Fox News, he might get a tiny gig on a local place or something 1563474;1478540833;mircea_popescu;PeterL how do you reason ? 1563475;1478540905;PeterL;Fox News is the biggest "red team" media outlet, nobody from "blue team" is going to give the blowhard a job 1563476;1478540917;mircea_popescu;i thought breitbart was 1563477;1478540935;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i tried, and failed, to turn up thread in l0gz, with -- incidentally -- thestringpuller, iirc, where i noted that i could buy a large quantity of, e.g., bricks, but 0 lsd. 1563478;1478540969;mircea_popescu;you could buy lsd just fine, you just dun want to. but w/e, argument is rescuable replacing the lsd for nuke firing assemblages or w/e. 1563479;1478540983;asciilifeform;because real-life market is more analogous to those old strategy games where you don't just need gold, but also 'mana' etc. 1563480;1478541003;mircea_popescu;this is because you lack expertise, which always comes embodied in cunts, which you acquired through your connections, which you built on your food. 1563481;1478541016;asciilifeform;replace with whichever. (whoever does not want to take asciilifeform's word , that , e.g., lsd is quite same as nuke detonator from his pov, obviously does not have to) 1563482;1478541039;mircea_popescu;see the discussion re the expensive girl, where was it 1563483;1478541052;asciilifeform;sure, but they are not fungible / convertible units. just as redditard cannot be converted to mircea_popescu-class by feeding him same food. 1563484;1478541055;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639 << there 1563485;1478541055;a111;Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" 1563486;1478541067;mircea_popescu;that's expertise. 1563487;1478541115;asciilifeform;but also where mircea_popescu's 7k buys what bill blasio's 77k do not buy. 1563488;1478541124;asciilifeform;nor buffett's 777. 1563489;1478541158;mircea_popescu;and in these terms, a very simple explanation of why the republic is indefeatable is very simply forthcoming : given two users a and b who, through division of labour, have expertise in fields f1 and f2, the empire path for a to access f2 or for b to access f1 is to take some money all the way from -3 to 3 TWICE. whereas the republican model simply has a talk to b, on the mediation of a gossipd/wot 1563490;1478541206;asciilifeform;well, an old trabant-engine powered empire, cannot win against spherical frictionless gossipd, no. 1563491;1478541229;mircea_popescu;it fundamentally changes the role of money, in many ways, but i suspect this may be the most notable. 1563492;1478541242;mircea_popescu;currently all this +/- cycling is pretty harmful to the containment vessels. 1563493;1478541372;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a complicated point that you bring. just how equal are the 7 77 and 777 ? consider - for all their money, rando "tech start-up" couldn't afford an engineer that didn't suck to do their w/e, database, sysadmining, w/e. 1563494;1478541415;mircea_popescu;but really, they... couldn't ? obviously, in point of fact they didn't, and the assumption that didn't because couldn't is sound, but nevertheless, you can actually hire competent engineers. 1563495;1478541440;mircea_popescu;so why didn't they ? 1563496;1478541463;mircea_popescu;to some degree because some tasks are so idiotic the sane people wouldn't accept them for all the money in the workd. but then why do the tasks have to be that idiotic ? 1563497;1478541477;asciilifeform;same reason they don't hire competent, e.g., jet pilot, for sv startup 1563498;1478541484;asciilifeform;it is wholly orthogonal to their extraction model 1563499;1478541488;mircea_popescu;"because that is the nature of the beast", evidently. still.. 1563500;1478541496;asciilifeform;competent engineer is pure cost, for sv derp, and 0 win 1563501;1478541547;mircea_popescu;this is then a systematic reason, which a certain sort of esl anthropologist would call "cultural", but which can be readily brought back to money : because the only dollars they have can be used to pay rents, but they don't have the kind of bill that pays for engineers. 1563502;1478541568;mircea_popescu;which goes right back to the issue : they have -2 currency, it's not realised. and it has a long way to go to +2. 1563503;1478541649;mircea_popescu;imagine as he sat in the bunker listening to the first artillery bombardments audible from berlin, hitler got a wire from bundesbank that the venusians just deposited 11 billiards marks in the eternal reich's account. 1563504;1478541684;mircea_popescu;"that's nice... but if there were any gasoline those billiards could buy, we'd have requisitioned it already, so..." 1563505;1478541715;asciilifeform;well, if these were convertible to swiss franks, and then into swedish steel in '42, or american petrol in '40, there would have been no 'bunker moment'. 1563506;1478541717;mircea_popescu;military commanders are very keenly aware of this spin factor of "money" which they call resources. 1563507;1478541770;mircea_popescu;ah yes. if only state had a dozen whores on the ground in stevastopol in 2006, they wouldn't have been humiliated in 2014. or at any rate wouldn't have wasted bn trying to grow a child in nine weeks. 1563508;1478541791;mircea_popescu;yes, the spin changes are time-limited. 1563509;1478541828;asciilifeform;other than this, it is an elementary, kindergarten 'you can't eat money' observation 1563510;1478541835;mircea_popescu;aha. 1563511;1478541872;asciilifeform;(as a boy, when i read that a messerschmitt-whatever cost R reichsmarks, it blew my mind, 'why did hitler need money ?!??') 1563512;1478541894;mircea_popescu;hitler needed money for the exact same reason henry 2 needed it : so as to make the nobles compete. 1563513;1478541902;mircea_popescu;otherwise everyone's love is endless and support unwavering. 1563514;1478541931;asciilifeform;i do not find it puzzling ~today~ that he needed it. 1563515;1478541945;asciilifeform;just that it was an educational moment, when i first thought about why. 1563516;1478541951;mircea_popescu;;) 1563517;1478541994;asciilifeform;(mostly unrealatedly, and strictly for the entomologically-inclined, mega-derp in old #b-a re phork warz etc.) 1563518;1478541998;asciilifeform;*unrelatedly 1563519;1478542056;mircea_popescu;who's forking ? 1563520;1478542079;asciilifeform;prb, who. 1563521;1478542088;asciilifeform;with enthusiastic applause from kako et al. 1563522;1478542268;asciilifeform;(summary: usg's most recent attempt to pound in the cock 'halfway', 'segwit', consists of prb churning out txen that result in 'anyone can spend' from trb pov, but miners are to 'agree never to process counter-softforkian tx', a la 'timelock' etc) 1563523;1478542974;mircea_popescu;lol k 1563524;1478542986;mircea_popescu;obviously that money's up for grabs. 1563525;1478543122;asciilifeform;was subj of thread, 'how up' 1563526;1478543171;mircea_popescu;well, it slowly builds, until the miners defect. 1563527;1478543185;mircea_popescu;the dorks built themselves a ratchet-charged capacitor. eventually it scintillates. 1563528;1478543220;mircea_popescu;im sure nobody had the sense to create a "total payout to defecting miners" watch, because hey, they're "developers" not thinkers. 1563529;1478543223;asciilifeform;alternatively, can putter along like the timelock crap, with the pot always just-below the magical threshold for +ev. 1563530;1478543237;mircea_popescu;depending on how many redditards actually use it. 1563531;1478543272;asciilifeform;to paraphrase barnum, it is quite difficult to lose money when betting on the poverty of redditards aggregate. 1563532;1478543368;mircea_popescu;amusingly, a 51% attack doesn't even have to skin the lamb. it can just fleece it (respend all the segwit coins up to point x, retroactively invalidating any txn that ever rely on their proceeds) AND THEN agree to "never to process counter txn" for the future. 1563533;1478543379;mircea_popescu;so you know, they can do it again later on. 1563534;1478543397;asciilifeform;well it also has to remain unorphaned, just like any other 1563535;1478543411;mircea_popescu;51% attack is not orphaned by definition. 1563536;1478543433;asciilifeform;(and incidentally i suspect that you do not need anything like 51% for demolition of 'segwit' and other 'soft' idiocies, but just enough to feedback 'arse-mouth' and buy moar cycles immediately) 1563537;1478543441;mircea_popescu;anyway. it significantly weakens trb, which they're more than welcome to. 1563538;1478543476;mircea_popescu;doh. prb i mean. 1563539;1478543484;asciilifeform;lel 1563540;1478543496;asciilifeform;i was about to 'do we have rockets ROLLING OFF CONVEYER LIKE SAUSAGES!111' yet 1563541;1478543499;mircea_popescu;"consumers expect more like docker, systemd and ethereum!" 1563542;1478543533;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you were right, dork didn't publish mah racist&divisive comment. a well! 1563543;1478543606;asciilifeform;the prb gambit, as far as i can tell, is to siphon as much coin as possible into a must-use-prb parallel world 1563544;1478543632;asciilifeform;creating 'kakos' with emotional buy-in on account of their entire stash being bound up in the spider silk 1563545;1478543688;mircea_popescu;this is a very welcome strategy. 1563546;1478543708;asciilifeform;( the other prong of the front is the attempt to make trb difficult to use reliably by preventing effective quarantine of derp nodes and their tx) 1563547;1478543919;asciilifeform;going briefly upstack, my understanding is that this particular batch of forkolade is effectively 'hard', in that no trb-generated tx is likely to be mined. 1563548;1478543940;asciilifeform;(no moar mining of tx containing actual signature, vs 'anyone-can-spend' crapolade.) 1563549;1478543941;mircea_popescu;eh ? 1563550;1478543952;asciilifeform;'segwit' scheme 1563551;1478544022;mircea_popescu;pretty sure this isn't true. 1563552;1478544032;mircea_popescu;if it is, whatever, we'll release a proper trb and they can all go hang. im pegging it. 1563553;1478544062;asciilifeform;it would appear to be true, in that chinese cockroach can pack more sigless txen into a block than proper ones. 1563554;1478544072;asciilifeform;cockroach goes to where the sugar is. 1563555;1478544096;trinque;it'd be worth thinking about how sort-by-fee affects that. 1563556;1478544124;asciilifeform;in their single-neuroned brain, 'sort by fee' + 'no sigs' >ev> 'sort by fee' plain. 1563557;1478544150;asciilifeform;just as american airlines would remove passenger's legs if they could. 1563558;1478544161;trinque;"if they could" is operative there 1563559;1478544185;BingoBoingo; i thought breitbart was << It's a transitional state, sorta a turning over of the compost pile this year. 1563560;1478544195;asciilifeform;it is not, admittedly, clear to me whether they are palpably aware of the cost of such a move. 1563561;1478544257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what means 'peg it' ? 1563562;1478544277;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's rather simple : i won't upgrade, this means i'm not recognizing segwit txn until they are bridged over. 1563563;1478544293;mircea_popescu;it has perfectly fine chances to fizzle in the ver fashion, where some dorks somewhere keep insisting this thing is happening. 1563564;1478544312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to peg as in a currency, 1 trb = 1 prb to start. may devalue as time goes by of course. 1563565;1478544330;asciilifeform;this, as i understand, means to launch the rockets 1563566;1478544347;mircea_popescu;eh. 1563567;1478544393;asciilifeform;in that, unless you run the deliberate separator funnel described in 'missile crisis', your own stash becomes entangled in both forkchains 1563568;1478544401;mircea_popescu;it's really just building prb complexity for no benefit. i can directly pay to them, they can't pay to me without adding an intermediate step where they desegwit. 1563569;1478544407;mircea_popescu;how ? 1563570;1478544434;asciilifeform;to have separate market, as in 'x prb == y trb coin', they gotta be circulatable separately 1563571;1478544474;asciilifeform;and, unconnectedly, there is the problem of 'miners collectively refuse signed txen' 1563572;1478544493;asciilifeform;which seems like 'nobrainer', they have no reason to accept'em that fits in their 1-neuron roach brains. 1563573;1478544503;mircea_popescu;this is connected. simmer down and stop confusing yourself. you said : going briefly upstack, my understanding is that this particular batch of forkolade is effectively 'hard', in that no trb-generated tx is likely to be mined. and i said if it is, whatever, we'll release a proper trb and they can all go hang. im pegging it. 1563574;1478544514;mircea_popescu;it isn't true, for one thing ; if it is true, however, the the separation is there. 1563575;1478544533;asciilifeform;for my education, describe the mechanics -- e.g., mircea_popescu will mine it himself ? 1563576;1478544546;asciilifeform;.. or, some unaligned faction, will mine ? 1563577;1478544558;mircea_popescu;just as long as i pay 700 bux to the trb, it's not going anywhere. 1563578;1478544574;asciilifeform;ok so peg using ancient currencies ? 1563579;1478544589;mircea_popescu;a peg is a peg. 1563580;1478544692;mircea_popescu;anyway. if we were to bother with this we'd best fix all the other problems too, so the current miners wouldn't be able to mine trb anyway. 1563581;1478544733;asciilifeform;that, as i understand, is the 'nuke' on the rocket, it works best by derps being 'shown the instruments of torment' rather than by setting off 1563582;1478544765;mircea_popescu;why ? i'd rather have a cs-based bicoin with the described node-miner issues resolved (as described) 1563583;1478544784;mircea_popescu;infinitely more valuable than continuing to pretend the various redditards are "developers" and "involved" in bitcoin. 1563584;1478544893;asciilifeform;imho spec was quite spiffy but did not contain sufficient ddt against insects, e.g, pools remain possible. 1563585;1478544901;asciilifeform;pools -- must die. 1563586;1478544913;mircea_popescu;yeah well, i'm not saying it was definitive or anything. 1563587;1478544934;mircea_popescu;there's nothing wrong with making a general map of ib, discussions here tend to return to it now and again. 1563588;1478544945;mircea_popescu;eventually we'll have a full spec, at which point we'll be forking anyway. 1563589;1478544969;*;asciilifeform in particular would like to see more thought re the 'mining is a curable disease' direction. 1563590;1478544981;mircea_popescu;(kinda a large part of what is propelling the idiot parade - by now they've realised that in point of fact a fork is inevitable, what varies is the when. we can't carry the satoshi warts forward forever.) 1563591;1478544999;asciilifeform;it imho is intrinsically insectronic, it rewards bare-crumb epsilon-+ev chasing insects at the expense of men. 1563592;1478545008;mircea_popescu;im not sure men are anything but. 1563593;1478545061;asciilifeform;the way i pictured bitcoin is that it is attempt at experimentally testing the hypothesis that some men are -- men, others -- roaches who were dropped into wrong bin by mistake 1563594;1478545065;asciilifeform;and can be wedged apart. 1563595;1478545085;mircea_popescu;evolutionary biology contradicts this hope. mankind is essentially an overgrown rat. 1563596;1478545151;asciilifeform;rat, imho, is better company than roach. (incidentally, i was walking in a 'posh' neighbourhood in washington, and saw -- what no one will believe, THOUSANDS of rats, not even around a rubbish pile, but in hedges, right in the earth, SWARMING) 1563597;1478545166;asciilifeform;i have only ever seen such scene in film before, where corpses in stalingrad etc. 1563598;1478545861;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/LnEXk >> somehow this never gets old, 'let's give our 0days to usgapple, usgmicroshit, etc. for pennies on the dollar' yet-again 1563599;1478545876;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i am grossly familiar with wokeness theatrics 1563600;1478545909;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-13#1237168 << see thread. 1563601;1478545909;a111;Logged on 2015-08-13 16:26 asciilifeform: vendors want the 0day market to be a 'tournament market' 1563602;1478545953;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh the shit I never hear used in a sentence living in TX 1563603;1478545963;mircea_popescu;what's wokeness ? 1563604;1478545974;ben_vulpes;aaand, for no discernable reason, since the 10.?? -> 10.999 os x upgrade, bringing emacs to the front ROUTINELY results in multi-second beachballs, and emacs is now losing locks to itself 1563605;1478545987;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: "wokeness" is degree of buy-in to socialist dribble 1563606;1478545988;ben_vulpes;over eg laptop sleeps 1563607;1478545996;mircea_popescu;from... woks ? 1563608;1478546038;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: alarm bell here rang weeks ago, Just Say No to the 'upgrade' 1563609;1478546055;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: From "awake" related to the socialist left's SEW "Light Enlightenment Again!!!" wing 1563610;1478546062;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you know that's not how things work 1563611;1478546080;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why the everliving fuck not ? 1563612;1478546102;ben_vulpes;well let's backpedal: why on earth would anyone ever use a macintosh product? 1563613;1478546122;asciilifeform;i have a box here very similar to ben_vulpes's, 'mb pro' circa may '16. it is now probably running the same sw as when it will go to junkyard. 1563614;1478546126;mircea_popescu;holy shit i know nothing. 1563615;1478546182;*;ben_vulpes is enjoying imagining mircea_popescu 's face 1563616;1478546190;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: but /why/ would you use an apple product? 1563617;1478546206;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: because i needed a lappy with 300 dpi lcd and working suspend mode ? 1563618;1478546207;mircea_popescu;do they mean the what, the religious enlightenment when it became dubious to have free sex ? 1563619;1478546229;ben_vulpes;we've disposed of this "laptop" "need" right? 1563620;1478546242;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu -- disposed. mortals - not afaik 1563621;1478546248;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: has entire gentoo cockpit iirc 1563622;1478546258;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i have a room full of various boxen 1563623;1478546264;asciilifeform;for various uses 1563624;1478546273;asciilifeform;(multiple, actually, rooms, but this is merely detail) 1563625;1478546283;trinque;can otherwise have malware shipping lenovo 1563626;1478546296;asciilifeform;got a few of these also ! 1563627;1478546299;trinque;lel, same here 1563628;1478546353;ben_vulpes;for the reprehensibly obstinate and misc log readers the only reason one could possibly *need* an apple box were if one came from such a bad life that producing builds for apple's walled garden was a regular requirement 1563629;1478546398;trinque;it's still the only portable not made of garbage 1563630;1478546402;ben_vulpes;and if you think you can do that with not-the-latest-xcode-and-os i have a build here that needs sucking through apple's garden hose 1563631;1478546453;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i've built winblows kernel drivers, for example, without a winblows box or any microshit software (yes, incl. the rsa signature) 1563632;1478546463;asciilifeform;so there is no reason why it could not, in principle, be done for crapple. 1563633;1478546467;asciilifeform;(or nintendo, etc.) 1563634;1478546484;ben_vulpes;go, build, sign, get accepted 1563635;1478546524;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: last i was embroiled in iphonism, circa '10 or so, they only wanted a binary submission 1563636;1478546527;asciilifeform;this is no longer so ? 1563637;1478546558;mircea_popescu;they moved from binary through anal and now they only accept the banal. 1563638;1478546578;ben_vulpes;am i to reverse engineer which endpoint they want it at every time they upgrade "app uploader" or swizzle the delivery pipeline? 1563639;1478546605;mircea_popescu;in a word yes. 1563640;1478546606;trinque;the only correct broomstick move is not to sit 1563641;1478546631;mircea_popescu;http://68.media.tumblr.com/9454dc4865803d733d08ae6d3c0489a8/tumblr_n7ecgp81WA1stjm8io1_1280.jpg 1563642;1478546632;ben_vulpes;lurking assumption is that it is possible to bring sanity to the compilation and signing process. 1563643;1478546635;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i only pointed out, that microshit's nintendo ecosystem is in fact 'friendlier' to illicit devs than crapple's. 1563644;1478546653;ben_vulpes;no argument there 1563645;1478546697;ben_vulpes;but that box on the table is the thing that produces and signs builds, and when apple says upgrade, it gets upgraded because it's a day to unfuck the toolchain after they break it and some completely unknowable amount of time to reverse engineer whatever the fuck xcode is doing. 1563646;1478546730;phf;asciilifeform: that was the case since forever, but they not only ensure that you can't apple from outside, they also ensure that you have to be on the upgrades bandwagon. with my 10.9.5 i'm running into things that "require newever version" 1563647;1478546748;asciilifeform;enjoy, then, the nintendo. (or do as i did when i worked for usg and forced to use winblows xp box -- run gentoo/x11 in vmware, and emacs in ~that~...) 1563648;1478546796;ben_vulpes;xquartz needs some lovin too. 1563649;1478546859;ben_vulpes;somewhere in the back of my head i'm balancing the tradeoffs of continuing to use apple machines as ssh terminals into actually-usable machines vs cutting over to linux or a bsd wholesale 1563650;1478546865;mircea_popescu;and no flicker in emacs via gentoo via vmware ? 1563651;1478546878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not on the iron of the time, at least. 1563652;1478546890;asciilifeform;(starvation-cheap 'dell' boxen circa mid-00s) 1563653;1478546892;mircea_popescu;nb. 1563654;1478546906;mircea_popescu;somebody recently tried to play eulora via vm and got 0.5 fps for his trouble. 1563655;1478546917;asciilifeform;emacs dun need mega-fps 1563656;1478546925;asciilifeform;my center display atm is actually a 30hz 1563657;1478546928;mircea_popescu;flicker counts as about 40fps iirc ? 1563658;1478546936;asciilifeform;flicker is not about fps 1563659;1478546940;mircea_popescu;o.o 1563660;1478546950;asciilifeform;certainly not on lcd, which doesn't have phosphor decay 1563661;1478546957;mircea_popescu;that machine was lcd ? 1563662;1478546969;phf;flicker only happens on politruk machines 1563663;1478546972;asciilifeform;(crt gotta be redrawn at 100+hz or 'flicker' because it is now too often black. lcd -- not) 1563664;1478546994;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was, several multi-$k lcd, at least in the last years 1563665;1478546994;BingoBoingo; do they mean the what, the religious enlightenment when it became dubious to have free sex ? << When it became dubious to have sex for the purpose of white procreation. White girls may cary dark children, but white boys are best to stfu Elliot. Most "woke" trendpieces are white gurlz writing about how "woke" their infant children are. 1563666;1478547002;mircea_popescu;did you run a lcd off your starvation cheap dell in 2005 ?! 1563667;1478547019;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only did i, but did it with those usb rasterizer dongles 1563668;1478547029;asciilifeform;(they are in the logs somewhere) 1563669;1478547039;mircea_popescu;your poor employer lol. 1563670;1478547064;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol srsly ? 1563671;1478547072;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563268 << the integral term is rather large at this point 1563672;1478547072;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 11:46 mircea_popescu: can anyone think of any possible reason thestringpuller is actually voiced here ? i've just about had it, the snr ratio is by my count exactly 0, if you got something i wanna hear it plox. 1563673;1478547074;asciilifeform;it was tiny droplet of spoodge in the ocean of the budget even in the one lab. 1563674;1478547076;mircea_popescu;can i has link or anything ? 1563675;1478547109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mean for the sheer weird, not money necessarily. 1563676;1478547119;mircea_popescu;i suppose if they found any loose octopi on the floor they were delivered to your desk ? 1563677;1478547120;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo lol srsly ? << to the extent I can understand the word salad around the term. 1563678;1478547136;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was the place with the vx antidote in desk, etc. 1563679;1478547172;asciilifeform;and there were, not far, octopi, pigs, afghanis, etc. 1563680;1478547198;asciilifeform;1,001 species of mutilated fauna, none were any of my concern. 1563681;1478547205;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Enjoy word salad sampler https://archive.is/ur4H8 1563682;1478547208;mircea_popescu;ty 1563683;1478547281;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is that self-parodic in intent or merely in effect ? 1563684;1478547306;BingoBoingo;Can't tell 1563685;1478547317;BingoBoingo;likely effect 1563686;1478547451;mircea_popescu;i r disappoint. that sad, sad moment when you're stuck in a world where all the best erotic fiction is written by yourself, so the choice is between familiarity and inferior product. 1563687;1478547457;asciilifeform;and to visit upstack, this is kindergarten intro-to-graphics матчасть ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541325 ) -- tear-flicker vanishes around 12-15 f.p.s. 1563688;1478547457;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 19:47 asciilifeform: 'матчасть' (contraction of, approx, 'material part') is a military term of art, refers to, e.g., how far a ru 120mm howitzer shoots when pointed at 45deg, vs 'how do we make a pincer' 1563689;1478547467;mircea_popescu;how about these jezbel idiots actually went and whored out in the hood for a few months then came back with a little more piss and vinegar ? 1563690;1478547488;asciilifeform;(and static image is flicker-free at 0 fps! so long as it ~persists~ on the display. elementarily.) 1563691;1478547539;mircea_popescu;incidentally hanbot BingoBoingo diana_coman what say you, who's the winner ? 1563692;1478547574;BingoBoingo; i r disappoint. that sad, sad moment when you're stuck in a world where all the best erotic fiction is written by yourself, so the choice is between familiarity and inferior product. << This is leading cause of male orgasm disfunction. Perhaps train girl to unfamiliarize your own text? 1563693;1478547584;asciilifeform;more nuanced : it is not the 'fps' that matters, but how long it takes to swap framebuffers. the usb dongle gave ~7 fps in practice, but 0 tearing because it had simple doublebuffer, where it took a while to draw the hidden buffer, but flipping took a msec or so. 1563694;1478547606;asciilifeform;recall writing games for dos. it was quite possible to have 0 flicker. 1563695;1478547619;asciilifeform;in 1980s. 1563696;1478547641;mircea_popescu;yeah, through intimate knowledge of the os timings. 1563697;1478547647;asciilifeform;nope./ 1563698;1478547652;asciilifeform;through elementary logic. 1563699;1478547674;asciilifeform;boards starting with ega, let you read the vertical refresh signal. 1563700;1478547678;asciilifeform;that was all you needed. 1563701;1478547699;mircea_popescu;on an ideal machine. in practice, you have nfi how long your own runtime will be. 1563702;1478547709;asciilifeform;lolwut 1563703;1478547720;asciilifeform;i had, nailed to the wall, 'tick table', like everyone else 1563704;1478547732;asciilifeform;it was quite trivial to say how long a routine would run. in nanoseconds. 1563705;1478547754;asciilifeform;(and how long interrupt handler might run, if you permitted it to run. etc) 1563706;1478547758;mircea_popescu;in dos. through intimate knowledge. in vmware gentoo on windows ? ouch. 1563707;1478547781;asciilifeform;ftr i did not play 'doom' on this item 1563708;1478547783;asciilifeform;only emacs. 1563709;1478547800;mircea_popescu;is there doom in emacs btw ? 1563710;1478547813;asciilifeform;there is an ascii doom, somewhere. 1563711;1478547820;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563110 seems to have been last taken on matter from diana_coman with hanbot supporting habot candidacy and BingoBoingo supporting BingoBoingo candidacy so hanbot seems be dissent. 1563712;1478547820;a111;Logged on 2016-11-05 10:06 diana_coman: contest anyway; considering however that it was set for Halloween, I guess I'd go with "goriest" and therefore BingoBoingo should win; as a side, I must say I don't quite follow the point of "all possible positions expressed" since they were quite clear/obvious anyway; 1563713;1478547853;mircea_popescu;well yeah asking for teh final words. speak for yerself BingoBoingo , who's the best contestant ? 1563714;1478547895;asciilifeform;( point of the story was, you can get ~0-flicker~ vga even on ludicrously and unpredictably slow machine, using a box that lets you build up, slowly, painfully, hidden framebuffer, then quickly flip to it.) 1563715;1478547911;BingoBoingo;Naturally I seem to be. James paid the price for getting his Elliot love and Elliot lived the only natural life he could as a racially ambiguous kid in the desrt. 1563716;1478547923;phf;could since at least 75, when the blit paper was written 1563717;1478547951;asciilifeform;phf: aha. 1563718;1478547987;asciilifeform;this notion, that you need multi-$k gpu accelerators, tightly coupled with os voodoo, just to use a motherfucking TEXT EDITOR, is very 'modern' 1563719;1478547990;asciilifeform;and 'african' 1563720;1478547991;*;BingoBoingo also included brief tour of fanfic staples including obligatory Harry Potter and slashing open of wounds to be fucked. 1563721;1478547999;asciilifeform;it has 0 connection with constraints of physical reality. 1563722;1478548025;mircea_popescu;but nevertheless how these seem to work. 1563723;1478548162;BingoBoingo; this notion, that you need multi-$k gpu accelerators, tightly coupled with os voodoo, just to use a motherfucking TEXT EDITOR, is very 'modern' << Seems to be sorts the thing "Sun" was born out of. 1563724;1478548205;asciilifeform;wat 1563725;1478548240;asciilifeform;sun iron was honest, wholesome thing, by any conceivable standard of today 1563726;1478548275;BingoBoingo;The "buy all these 'workstations' for liberal arts computing"; iron may have been honest but not all use cases marketed for were. 1563727;1478548306;asciilifeform;was ~last gasp of 'you buy a comp, and it comes with the correct os for it, made by same people' thing. 1563728;1478548335;BingoBoingo;Eh, the 1980's were weird 1563729;1478548457;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: economics of ic mass production are such that most-everyone ends up marketing workstation as also a table leg stand, toaster, dildo. 1563730;1478548491;asciilifeform;simply so as to squeeze out a small +ev with which to make anything next. 1563731;1478548492;BingoBoingo;Proper workstation makes an excellent nightstand with bonus heat production. 1563732;1478548577;phf;"to a new yorker like you a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three tigers" 1563733;1478548617;asciilifeform;^. 1563734;1478549255;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5623 1563735;1478550054;ben_vulpes;http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-to-limit-long-distance-supercharging-for-new-owners-1478531035 << 1000 mi free per year on the supercharger network 1563736;1478550069;ben_vulpes;the benefit rollbacks keep on stacking up 1563737;1478550135;trinque;"unlimited free" was a temporary loss leader, and if they said otherwise they were lying 1563738;1478550170;ben_vulpes;mhm 1563739;1478550182;*;ben_vulpes continues to merrily combust 1563740;1478550196;*;ben_vulpes looks for more ways to push more gasoline through the engines in his stewardship 1563741;1478550251;ben_vulpes;semi tempted to spin up a portland/oregon city water taxi just to crack more hydrocarbons apart. 1563742;1478550381;phf;ben_vulpes: i don't know what you mean by "city water taxi", but this is what i imagine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDohpjD1jvA 1563743;1478550445;BingoBoingo;In other Qntests, Qntest deadline is approaching http://qntra.net/2016/10/what-is-the-difference-between-bill-clinton-and-bill-cosby-a-qntest-with-bitcoin-prizes/ 1563744;1478550545;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'too cheap to meter' !1111 1563745;1478552371;shinohai;!!up MagnusFox 1563746;1478552371;deedbot;MagnusFox voiced for 30 minutes. 1563747;1478552372;MagnusFox;hello 1563748;1478552384;MagnusFox;thanks shinohai 1563749;1478552387;MagnusFox;what's this channel? 1563750;1478552410;MagnusFox;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d0nbj/?raw=true 1563751;1478552412;deedbot;1DA9BDD523D0B317558741B9EB932A4D29CC0742 registered as MagnusFox. 1563752;1478552660;ben_vulpes;MagnusFox: all bitcoin terrorism all day 1563753;1478552696;shinohai;^ 1563754;1478552727;MagnusFox;i'm scared 1563755;1478552807;ben_vulpes;on a scale of 1atm to diamond-producing pressures how puckered is your sphincter? 1563756;1478553084;phf;apparently there's a 2008 movie called "nick and norah's infinite playlist" 1563757;1478553112;MagnusFox;lol 1563758;1478553263;ben_vulpes;"x and y z" 1563759;1478553289;ben_vulpes;"zack and miri make a porno" 1563760;1478554197;ben_vulpes;!!rate MagnusFox 1 new blood 1563761;1478554198;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/4yq6f/?raw=true 1563762;1478554227;ben_vulpes;!!v 5C9E6345FC6068C1E99C1276D1CDB75A342E12ED7B7EA0EB881175DF546A4C68 1563763;1478554227;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated MagnusFox 1 << new blood 1563764;1478554241;ben_vulpes;MagnusFox: you can up yourself now, /msg deedbot !!up 1563765;1478554258;shinohai;!!rate MagnusFox 1 #eulora 1563766;1478554259;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/smjuz/?raw=true 1563767;1478554635;MagnusFox;thanks shinohai 1563768;1478554636;MagnusFox;:D 1563769;1478554669;shinohai;u are welcome 1563770;1478554686;shinohai;!!v EB6013542CF8EC589B972BAF2A3AB9A987AF93F0E56654456A614959FEDD95D4 1563771;1478554686;deedbot;shinohai rated MagnusFox 1 << #eulora 1563772;1478554788;MagnusFox;you're a great teacher 1563773;1478554794;MagnusFox;do you want to be my mentor? 1563774;1478555001;mircea_popescu;!!key MagnusFox 1563775;1478555004;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0u73q/?raw=true 1563776;1478555221;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563735 << i expect "alternate sunday driving" is coming up next ? 1563777;1478555221;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 20:20 ben_vulpes: http://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-to-limit-long-distance-supercharging-for-new-owners-1478531035 << 1000 mi free per year on the supercharger network 1563778;1478555533;asciilifeform;speaking of which, remains of an old airplane factory near where asciilifeform lives, 'erco', were bulldozed this week 1563779;1478555543;MagnusFox;!!key MagnusFox 1563780;1478555545;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/s8em3/?raw=true 1563781;1478555549;asciilifeform;i watched, with binocular, it was interesting (there was even a well on the premises!) 1563782;1478555592;asciilifeform;1 such airplane, according to the city museum (where one of the the few remaining machines lives) cost 2.6k usd in 1940. 1563783;1478555604;asciilifeform;which is approx. what nice car costs today (~40-50k) 1563784;1478555825;mircea_popescu;im not sure 2.5k in 1940 is really 40k today, but hey. 1563785;1478555827;asciilifeform;and, supposedly, early (analogue!) flight sims were built there. 1563786;1478555834;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at least 40 1563787;1478556139;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/erco/index.html << for aficionados of 'modern america' 1563788;1478556478;phf;asciilifeform: i like "urban exploration", so i've been to a lot of places like that, where america once was and not anymore. entire stretch from philadelphia to trenton is remnants of industrial age 1563789;1478556515;phf;now highest producer of methamphetamines 1563790;1478556555;*;ben_vulpes sheds a tear for the abandoned creosote factory and the bike jousting of his youth 1563791;1478556650;asciilifeform;http://www.airfields-freeman.com/MD/Airfields_MD_PG_C.htm#erco << subj, for aficionados. 1563792;1478556670;asciilifeform;phf: as far as 'digging' went, this was a snore by modern standards, flat cement slab. 1563793;1478556705;asciilifeform;in the end, the university bought it, to build whorefarms in place of. 1563794;1478556795;*;asciilifeform still does not fully grasp why the 'real americans' won't build concentration camps and put the folks who did this to them, inside. 1563795;1478556825;ben_vulpes;what are these 'real americans'? 1563796;1478556832;phf;like john galt and shit 1563797;1478556836;asciilifeform;apparently -- in the graveyard 1563798;1478556839;asciilifeform;and ~nowhere else. 1563799;1478556847;ben_vulpes;snore 1563800;1478556848;*;trinque does not rule out mass poisoning 1563801;1478556907;asciilifeform;phf: they also lived on the pages of sex stories by 1920s ru emigre chick, yes ! 1563802;1478556949;asciilifeform;( ever notice how much the 'steel mill' scenes in 'atlas' resemble a classical 'производственный роман' ?? ) 1563803;1478557189;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADaadHXmMIg 1563804;1478557295;phf;i love comments on su tracks on youtube, they are like something out of Sorokin novels. 1563805;1478557315;asciilifeform;this one dun seem to have comments..? 1563806;1478557320;asciilifeform;but yes 1563807;1478557333;phf;yeah, that's the one i explicitly searched for, but i started clicking around 1563808;1478557342;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPtolIacHw "Ребята, классно то, что память и русскую душу не смогли вытравить всякие голливуды и "западные ценности", а значит есть надежда на возрождение социалистического строя, не обязательно коммунистического, назовите его по-другому, но 1563809;1478557342;phf;и к чему-то доброму и высокому, если этого долго не происходит, тогда побеждает зло, грязь и война, бесконечная война всех против всех!!!" 1563810;1478557348;trinque;where did the real SU characters go? 1563811;1478557372;trinque;or does meta-SU still exist 1563812;1478557392;asciilifeform;trinque: it 'exists' right here in my chair. 1563813;1478557410;trinque;for arse and empire!1!11! 1563814;1478557422;asciilifeform;or at least in the sense where medieval europe exists in mircea_popescu's garden of delights 1563815;1478557443;trinque;aha 1563816;1478557477;asciilifeform;afaik, dead worlds aren't kept around anywhere else. 1563817;1478560449;phf;some Sandman shit right there 1563818;1478561818;mircea_popescu;!~google for that rare and radiant woner which was here, which is now hoare, which lies dead forevermore 1563819;1478561820;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Oracle Sunday on Eulora on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Title: Hymns of Ter Steegen, Suso, and Others Creator(s): Bevan ...: ; Hymns of the Early Church ////// - Compassionheart: 1563820;1478561827;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun. 1563821;1478561990;shinohai;hey that oracle Sunday article was good 1563822;1478562016;mircea_popescu;hehe 1563823;1478566736;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/yUgBh << in other jooz. 1563824;1478566779;asciilifeform;(and '98.2%' !111111) 1563825;1478566858;mircea_popescu;they're such chronic masturbators these people. 1563826;1478566906;asciilifeform;they'll be counting them votez. 1563827;1478566917;mircea_popescu;they can't cunt their toes. 1563828;1478566936;mircea_popescu;what, you think rando intern from bankruptington post is counting anything ? 1563829;1478566949;asciilifeform;nah, it is legitimacyspray. 1563830;1478566957;asciilifeform;for the pre-coded output. 1563831;1478567028;mircea_popescu;sounds a lot more like the giddy excitement of the vicarious rape victim. 1563832;1478567302;asciilifeform;now i dun work at diebold, but it is hard to picture that a mr t win is not regarded as 'societal seekoority threat' and as such not any more permissible than , e.g., 'pirate party' senator. 1563833;1478567356;mircea_popescu;hey, you're committed to this "controlled society" model, things are gonna go a certain way in yer head no matter what happens. 1563834;1478567396;asciilifeform;dunno, if mr t on the throne, i could swallow the 'they got unplugged from control' 1563835;1478567406;asciilifeform;esp when the crematoria open for business. 1563836;1478567454;mircea_popescu;anyway. if clinton "wins" we get to find out just how large trump's genitalia's were. 1563837;1478567467;asciilifeform;this, yes. 1563838;1478567471;mircea_popescu;and alongside his, the collective white-whatevers. 1563839;1478567499;asciilifeform;theirs, imho, were measured in oregon last yr and elsewhere. 1563840;1478567566;asciilifeform;the old man's -- i have nfi 1563841;1478567600;asciilifeform;most interesting scenario would be if he were to crash his plane and get replaced franco-style with a younger d00d 1563842;1478567661;mircea_popescu;eh. 1563843;1478567679;asciilifeform;as mola and sanjurjo crashed. 1563844;1478567683;mircea_popescu;you keep going "if disney were king of the hill and i had free run of the studios" sorta scenarios. get off it, kenya dun has a hollywood. 1563845;1478567691;asciilifeform;(franco was 'nobody' then) 1563846;1478567693;mircea_popescu;be happy if you get a credible cardboard model of a cessna. 1563847;1478567704;asciilifeform;soggy cardboard. 1563848;1478569490;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/baaf1 << 'xkcd' comic d00d heils clitler. 1563849;1478569518;asciilifeform;(iirc he had no such thing during obummer coronation) 1563850;1478569577;shinohai;D: 1563851;1478572416;phf;funny how apparently everyone knows which side is the butter on their sandwich 1563852;1478572509;phf;потом наступает потеря/ быстрого разума силы,/ потом наступает спокойствие./ А потом начинается ужас. 1563853;1478572856;trinque;http://archive.is/5lyYd << "You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I'll tell you what his 'pinions is." 1563854;1478572892;trinque;the slave detail being entirely relevant. 1563855;1478573163;asciilifeform;'День седьмого ноября - / Красный день календаря. / Погляди в свое окно: / Все на улице красно.' 1563856;1478573265;trinque;We all do no end of feeling, and we mistake it for thinking. And out of it we get an aggregation which we consider a boon. Its name is Public Opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it the Voice of God. << I suppose the great that'll great again predated Mr Twain. 1563857;1478573367;trinque;heh, thinking upon it, I suppose it did. 1563858;1478577278;mircea_popescu;freedom of thought is indeed a luxury isn't it. 1563859;1478578972;*;BingoBoingo sometimes dreams of alt-Murica with Tilden presidency 1563860;1478579516;mircea_popescu;or tom cruise. 1563861;1478579675;mircea_popescu;trinque that piece is particularly scandalous. imagine, the only writer worth two shits to ever crawl out of that god forsaken hole, not only a living testament to how smoking twenty cigars a day doesn't give you cancer ; but even daring to represent black slavery as a carefree life of exact equivalency to the shenanigans of today's barristas and waitresses with jezbel aspirations! 1563862;1478579690;mircea_popescu;mark twain is as much a threat to "our" democracy as trump could ever hope to be. 1563863;1478580179;trinque;meanwhile every other search result was some barista crowing about what a man of the people to see such wisdom in a slave, and isn't this such an insight into the nature of *humans* 1563864;1478580206;trinque;fucking flatland even then; it had no chance. 1563865;1478580386;mircea_popescu;the reason blacks back then weren't intelligent and well spoken as now has to do with the cruel conditions in which they lived. back then, unlike now. 1563866;1478580861;mircea_popescu;and in other "deeply butthurt nobody thinks they're somehow somebody", https://archive.is/kSni9 1563867;1478580922;mircea_popescu;not that there isn't a ton of these. but "mary elizabeth williams" lol. to quote, http://trilema.com/2013/queers/#selection-135.0-135.108 1563868;1478581205;mircea_popescu;and in more important developments, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8f9d9c8e8f4d3d6443fba92903b5be90/tumblr_mw8ozzv6lu1sipmspo1_1280.jpg 1563869;1478581349;ben_vulpes;cnn: "comey's letter may be too little, too late" 1563870;1478581510;mircea_popescu;heh 1563871;1478581522;mircea_popescu;they STILL can't say "we blew it" can they. 1563872;1478581575;ben_vulpes;i retain hope for the glorious trumpenreich 1563873;1478581582;ben_vulpes;"but why ben_vulpes but whyyyyyy?" 1563874;1478581593;ben_vulpes;"because you react like that, duh" 1563875;1478581597;mircea_popescu;lol 1563876;1478581668;ben_vulpes;oh and in other glorious socialist republics of oregon, a 2% tax on corporate sales made it to the ballot this year. 1563877;1478581682;ben_vulpes;"but only for corps with revenue of over 25MM!" 1563878;1478581685;mircea_popescu;lol 1563879;1478581801;ben_vulpes;a) "do you really think that will last?" b) "that's pretty amusingly accidentally regressive, as ~all companies 'serving' the poor satisfy that" 1563880;1478581842;trinque;ben_vulpes: so we're going to be taking businesses from OR like we are CA, eh? 1563881;1478581844;ben_vulpes;someone actually advanced the argument that "there's no evidence that corporations will pass the cost on" 1563882;1478581846;trinque;that's fine. 1563883;1478581862;ben_vulpes;trinque: do business here, pay taxes on it here iirc. 1563884;1478581864;mircea_popescu;there's also no evidence that a bunch of dorks can make rules for people with money. 1563885;1478581874;trinque;ben_vulpes: why would they want to continue to do that? 1563886;1478581886;mircea_popescu;trinque the idea is that "someone will have to". 1563887;1478581904;ben_vulpes;my dumb ass apparently 1563888;1478581912;trinque;lel 1563889;1478581948;mircea_popescu;don't worry ben_vulpes by the time you're as poor as mark twain's nigger called jerry, you'll be just as energetic and passionate i'm sure! 1563890;1478581977;mircea_popescu;holds discourse on top of wood pile that used to be arts and crafts section. 1563891;1478581988;ben_vulpes;"baby, we're well beyond 'middle class'. d'you remember how 'middle class' for our parents went? the 2 cars outside would be new, and we'd not be pent up in 800ft^2. parts of the country can't drink well water because 'fraking'. when is bad bad enough?" 1563892;1478582024;mircea_popescu;something like that. except with more brimstone and firebrand. 1563893;1478582077;ben_vulpes;gotta kill a bunch of dreams first 1563894;1478582224;mircea_popescu;you got plenty of time. 1563895;1478582470;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: when is latvia going to dump the eu for putin's sweet embrace? 1563896;1478582713;mircea_popescu;i dunno, ask Framedragger neh ? 1563897;1478582738;mircea_popescu;i shall however presently dump teh irc for ... well, a sweet embrace. 1563898;1478583754;BingoBoingo;!!up soneelks 1563899;1478583754;deedbot;soneelks voiced for 30 minutes. 1563900;1478583928;soneelks;i must confess its not rly sonelks but the election is near 1563901;1478584160;soneelks;its vex 1563902;1478584180;soneelks;can we stuff ballets or does the lordship have a preference? 1563903;1478584343;soneelks;so thats 8 zero fucks: enjoy your lunch 1563904;1478584408;soneelks;if i might, you cunts are stylish as fuck 1563905;1478584543;soneelks;so, it's lamb with abllet dancers 1563906;1478584620;soneelks;*ballet 1563907;1478584730;soneelks;(it's actually goat but the chef says it's lamb) 1563908;1478584943;soneelks;okay so now i look like a total faggot. just let me know if you need anything 1563909;1478585026;BingoBoingo;http://www.defensenews.com/articles/new-warships-big-guns-have-no-bullets 1563910;1478585064;soneelks;oh those are big screen tvs sir 1563911;1478585334;soneelks;they barely work 1563912;1478586305;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563302 << what passes for 'real college' these days? ("anything outside of usgschwitz" is a bit of a cop-out) 1563913;1478586305;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 12:26 mircea_popescu: kids who go to real college where they learn real science also learn intrinsically this, that to asq a question is to beg for money, and to disguise your questions as anything else is felonious. so they get an over-active self censor. meanwhile the idiots who do not go to real college, but to fake empire college learn that they can overpower their better peers through sheer gab. because "human rights" and "freedom of speech" 1563914;1478586355;adlai;also !~later tell vexual or whatever you call yourself these days, telling me "you can PM me too" but then never being online, and changing nicks, is not a great way to get PMed 1563915;1478590948;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-09#1554171 << meanwhile a tale from the local unreal-college-cum-kindergarden: "in this class, i teach you classical mechanics. we will not cover quantum mechanics, which tells you how small things behave over small distances; nor special relativity, which describes the behavior of things at high speeds; nor general relativity, which describes the effect of standing next to 1563916;1478590948;a111;Logged on 2016-10-09 03:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyJN3R_TbcY << will leave this here. 1563917;1478590950;adlai;your mother" 1563918;1478591047;ben_vulpes;remedial physics or what 1563919;1478591232;*;ben_vulpes received his assembly instruction manual for the corvette today, has been a solid remedial american cars course so far 1563920;1478591276;ben_vulpes;also holy heck computers ruined cars, not in their automation but in the inane horseshit the engineers crapped out once they could re-diddle every part every year 1563921;1478591292;*;ben_vulpes also went for a ride in a friend's lotus elise, a car that basically does not change from year to year 1563922;1478591355;adlai;supposedly "this chemistry department is the one that has the most non-chemistry (ie, physics and math) prerequisites of all chemistry departments in israel, maybe even the entire world" ...mkay 1563923;1478591411;adlai;ben_vulpes: i assume this is more of an "owner's manual" type thing, and you're not now staring at twenty crates of corvette parts that you're gonna put together yourself? 1563924;1478591458;*;adlai would not object to the latter, given time and space to work; but doesn't think they make'em like that anymore? 1563925;1478591530;ben_vulpes;adlai: no, this is an actual assembly manual. 1563926;1478591548;ben_vulpes;repro, but a very fine one. 1563927;1478591603;ben_vulpes;the car is ~intact. the AIM is a reference tome on how it went together in the first place. 1563928;1478591672;adlai;so, still useful for best ways to replace parts that wear? 1563929;1478592320;ben_vulpes;i have 2 smallish repairs on the docket: replacing the seatbelt and fixing the blend door in the HVAC system. coming up with a plan for the first was trivial, once i had assembly plans for the seats and restraints in hand. i have a bead on how to diagnose the hvac blend as well, similarly derived from the heat control actuator harness assembly diagrams. 1563930;1478592404;ben_vulpes;odds are that The Vacuum System actuating the blend door is leaking. upside is that this may take my idle from 1050 down to 800 (and possibly even reclaim some HP) if i do plug some leaks. 1563931;1478592563;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563741 << btw, excuse my nitpicks, but 'crack' is actually the verb for separating the various hydrocarbons apart from crude 1563932;1478592563;a111;Logged on 2016-11-07 20:24 ben_vulpes: semi tempted to spin up a portland/oregon city water taxi just to crack more hydrocarbons apart. 1563933;1478592619;ben_vulpes;yeah, i'm aware that it's a term of art in the refining biz. 1563934;1478592681;ben_vulpes;burning them is a further reduction in chain length. 1563935;1478592721;adlai;er that's not quite right either. confirming that i didn't spew nonsense into the internet reveals that, while cracking does describe part of the process of turning heterogenous crude into several homogenous smaller-chain hydrocarbons, it typically does involve breaking bonds 1563936;1478592836;adlai;but iiuc combustion is a pretty total obliteration of chains. co2 isn't often referred to as 1,1-methandione, is it? 1563937;1478592873;ben_vulpes;not unless you're trying to ruin the joke, no 1563938;1478592915;*;adlai takes off hat, for dearly departed joke 1563939;1478592920;ben_vulpes;rip 1563940;1478592922;ben_vulpes;rip joke 1563941;1478593074;ben_vulpes;hydrocarbons refine well into high-grade fun and a fine fog of single-link carbon chains. 1563942;1478593090;*;ben_vulpes waits for adlai to ask "what the heck kind of chain has a single link, anyways" 1563943;1478593151;adlai;twice deprotonated formaldehyde? 1563944;1478593243;ben_vulpes;k.peg 1563945;1478595869;ben_vulpes;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/07/america-has-never-had-so-much-tv-and-even-hollywood-is-overwhelmed/ << turkeys leaking 1563946;1478595944;ben_vulpes;oh good grief and in which i discover https://www.planetoftheapps.com/ 1563947;1478610851;mircea_popescu;ok, so i'm ready to adjudicate in the matter of the hallo ween st. elliot fanfic contest. 1563948;1478610882;mircea_popescu;it is an interesting task, because the entries all suffer from the same affliction, which is formalism, but suffer from it in very different ways. bingoboingo's has a very formal composition - he's deliberately and evidently put anything & the kitchen sink in there ; diana's very formally constructed, she starts from a tiny base in stark contrast to bingoboingo's all-engulfing endlessness then follows all the angles methodica 1563949;1478610882;mircea_popescu;lly resulting in something like a sugar cube ; hanbot's formal in form, which either through inhabituation or because poetry is an actual and legitimate artform (which seems rather dubious to be honest) is less grating than the other two. 1563950;1478610890;mircea_popescu;therefore i proclaim her the winner, with the mention that while none of the participants are exactly yet shakespeare, they're certainly much further down the path of shakespearing than the common man, and so congratulations! 1563951;1478611529;diana_coman;congrats hanbot 1563952;1478613439;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563912 << anything where half or more of the hopefuls fail to make it in, AND half or more of the first year fails to pass into 2nd. it must be selective in this sense, with an understanding that most extant fenotypes are biological failures of no further interest or value. 1563953;1478613439;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 06:25 adlai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-07#1563302 << what passes for 'real college' these days? ("anything outside of usgschwitz" is a bit of a cop-out) 1563954;1478613456;mircea_popescu;a fake college is on the contrary, one built on the insane premise that there's a space and a future for all walkers. 1563955;1478613484;*;adlai will keep a rough headcount as the years pass 1563956;1478613514;mircea_popescu;should be directly obvious. do the teachers publicly rebuff students for being inadequate and ask them to leave ? 1563957;1478613522;mircea_popescu;if not, not real college. 1563958;1478613592;adlai;i've yet to witness a student getting thrown out of a lecture at TAU (was done reasonably often by certain teachers at exeter), although - they often basically tell students to shut up and ask questions privately afterwards 1563959;1478613605;mircea_popescu;fake college. 1563960;1478613605;asciilifeform;a bit more complicated, where i went to school we had ~both~ types, on one campus 1563961;1478613611;mircea_popescu;that's what they do at wellesley. 1563962;1478613658;mircea_popescu;college works exactly like greenspun memorialized : "the reason you are having trouble with this problem is because you aren't very smart and aren't woking very hard." 1563963;1478613665;mircea_popescu;he failed to include the "please go away", but anyway. 1563964;1478613723;BingoBoingo;congrats hanbot 1563965;1478613724;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as oft happens, they make whore (camp followers, whatever) quarters as close as practicable. 1563966;1478613830;mircea_popescu;ironically this makes army (at least in the pre 90s implementation) very much a college ; which is a determination i stand by. 1563967;1478614024;adlai;congratulations hanbot ! 1563968;1478614068;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Haynes, Chilton, or is there a more exotic third party manual because cool car? 1563969;1478614079;*;shinohai cheers hanbot! [~]D 1563970;1478614129;adlai;BingoBoingo to answer your http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-30#1560313, along with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-04#1562925, my time lately is taken up with navigating kindergarden in search of any shreds of 'realcollege' waiting to be picked up 1563971;1478614129;a111;Logged on 2016-10-30 04:24 BingoBoingo: Thus concludes my entry into the Elliot fanfic contest. Your move adlai! 1563972;1478614129;a111;Logged on 2016-11-04 17:48 asciilifeform snored and continues to snoar through it. 1563973;1478614130;mircea_popescu;is that a dildohat ? 1563974;1478614323;shinohai;Would you care to buy some boulders in #eulora? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGu82LQ5ZDM 1563975;1478614344;mircea_popescu;sure. 1563976;1478614613;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563895 << heh! plenty o' russians in latvia. i think 2020 is the year when the eu bribe moneys for the baltics will begin to dry up, so maybe about that time? lithuania on the other hand is in full "satan putin is preparing for nuclear" warmongering mode. helps the centre-right party and its "foreign policy" line 1563977;1478614613;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 05:21 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: when is latvia going to dump the eu for putin's sweet embrace? 1563978;1478614621;Framedragger;it's a funny set of "countries" 1563979;1478614693;mircea_popescu;hey, given two 16yo friends, one of which is in full "he is totally satan evil guy" and the other "hey, my current bf is buying me a car, but maybe once he loses his job", which do you think you fuck first ? 1563980;1478614755;Framedragger;the latter appears more rational and therefore to a degree more sexy, but the former may be into s/m 1563981;1478614760;Framedragger;so not sure 1563982;1478614768;mircea_popescu;we're discussing what they do not what you do. 1563983;1478614792;mircea_popescu;the strength of feeling is what matters, not its "direction", esp not as self-reported by the feeler. 1563984;1478614827;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i can't bridge the parallel in my mind. 1563985;1478614841;mircea_popescu;well, all baltics are 16 yo. 1563986;1478614852;Framedragger;for sure. 1563987;1478614873;Framedragger;i guess the former may have more 'spirit' 1563988;1478614892;mircea_popescu;what's the term, last minute resistance 1563989;1478615033;Framedragger;i see the point. yah, it's more funky that way 1563990;1478615040;Framedragger;so that's cute 1563991;1478615075;mircea_popescu;:p 1563992;1478615085;mircea_popescu;anyway, who the fuck knows, just dicking around 1563993;1478615091;mircea_popescu;o wait, has trump won yet ? 1563994;1478615099;*;mircea_popescu just remembered it's today innit ? 1563995;1478615132;Framedragger;boy you should see the headlines on the most popular online "news portal". right now top page has "COULD THE THIRD WORLD BE STARTING _HERE_?" http://i.imgur.com/pwSfF1R.png 1563996;1478615157;mircea_popescu;aww no election results yet ? wtf is this. 1563997;1478615160;Framedragger;yeah! such a nice day 1563998;1478615169;mircea_popescu;ohohohohoh 1563999;1478615172;mircea_popescu;check this shit out : 1564000;1478615249;mircea_popescu;http://nypost.com/2016/11/08/voters-in-first-towns-to-close-polls-give-trump-early-lead/ 1564001;1478615267;Framedragger;ahh, good stuff 1564002;1478615269;mircea_popescu;i guess these must be the ones without diebolix machines ? 1564003;1478615286;mircea_popescu;Framedragger mind you : he has a 32-25 margin over clinton IN NEW HAMPSHIRE 1564004;1478615298;mircea_popescu;i guess that "firewall" was mostly made of shit. 1564005;1478615323;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you qntra or shall i ? 1564006;1478615325;Framedragger;yeah i thought it was leftist weed central or sth 1564007;1478615333;mircea_popescu;it is. 1564008;1478615342;Framedragger;:p 1564009;1478615815;asciilifeform;margin in... 'towns with population < 100' ?? 1564010;1478616440;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/r7ak6/?raw=true < 1564011;1478616445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ? 1564012;1478616463;mircea_popescu;what, "i make a loss on every sale but i hope to make it up on volume" ? 1564013;1478616788;*;adlai has been in polling stations, more than 100 people vote in 'cities' 1564014;1478617116;mircea_popescu;new hampshire traditionally has the early closed ballots because all the small towns can close as soon as all ballots are cast and the residents usually show up at midnight and vote. 1564015;1478617884;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/ << Qntra - Trump carries early New Hampshire 1564016;1478617890;*;PeterL voted this morning, was number 53 in the precinct 1564017;1478618362;mod6;Mr. Popescu, Lords, and General Assembly: Today, I'd like to take a moment to observe and congratulate The Most Serene Republic on it's Second Independence Day! 1564018;1478618376;mod6;Viva TMSR~, Salud! 1564019;1478618388;*;trinque cheers, whistles 1564020;1478618391;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt 1564021;1478618395;mod6;o7 1564022;1478618433;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at trump's nubile slave camp (built on the grounds of the previous university of maryland), http://68.media.tumblr.com/a05108e779e29c701a843635d51d37e9/tumblr_n7blnb5eUz1r81lgko1_1280.jpg 1564023;1478618443;mircea_popescu;mod6 hear hear! 1564024;1478618508;mod6;hanbot: also congrats on your song! 1564025;1478618542;*;shinohai blows vuvuzela behind the woman sitting next to mod6 1564026;1478619156;*;hanbot would like to thank her fellow contestants for their literary companionship, and the congratulators for their congratulations, the republic for its independence, and reserva san juan. 1564027;1478619158;hanbot;cheers all 1564028;1478619453;asciilifeform;lel, asciilifeform is standing in queue to stuff 'paper ballot' into... diebold scanner. 1564029;1478619458;asciilifeform;suuuuch paper 1564030;1478619469;asciilifeform;suuuch undiebolding. 1564031;1478619521;asciilifeform;'colour the circles!' 1564032;1478619618;*;BingoBoingo woke up today an undecided voter. It was weird. I had every intention of voting for my boy Gary Johnson, but on the drive to the polling place uncertainty hit me. And this the 124th ballot in the 5th precinct of Helvitia township in Madison County, Illinois was submitted for the TrumpenReich 1564033;1478619794;*;BingoBoingo hits the showers 1564034;1478619825;PeterL;people keep telling me that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Trump (because it is somehow stealing a vote from Hillary, who we only want to vote for to stop the monster Trump), so I guess I voted for TrumpReich too 1564035;1478620004;asciilifeform;heil tritler. 1564036;1478620761;*;danielpbarron abstains from voting 1564037;1478620930;BingoBoingo;PeterL: Doing the math for myself and seeing how empty the box of registered voter cards was it appeared that in my jurisdiction voting Johnson would have been stealing from Trump to help Hillary. #MakeIllinoisASwingState 1564038;1478621110;mircea_popescu;lol reserva san juan 1564039;1478621113;mircea_popescu;(local brandy) 1564040;1478621148;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo dun worry about it, they'll fix it later if the counts don't come out right 1564041;1478621185;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, they'll just have more undeaded ballots next door in St Clair County to balance it out. 1564042;1478621304;mircea_popescu;PeterL those people read way too much myspace, which is how they ended up with the notion that hillary has a chance or something. 1564043;1478621340;mircea_popescu;generally in bipartisan systems a vote downlist has principally the effect of hurting the favorite. that much is correct. nevertheless, the notion that hillary's a favourite is ludicrous. 1564044;1478621368;mircea_popescu;she lost fucking nh, she's going to carry california and thaqt's it. first presidential candidate with <10% of electoral votes in the history of that empire. 1564045;1478621840;PeterL;Landon only got about 1% of electoral votes 1564046;1478621911;mircea_popescu;PeterL ima cop out and say the empire only begins post ww2. 1564047;1478621981;PeterL;Mondale only got 2.4 % 1564048;1478621998;PeterL;or does he not count either? 1564049;1478622003;mircea_popescu;ima man up and admit i have nfi what i'm talking about then! 1564050;1478622033;mircea_popescu;who the fuck even knew someone actually ran against reagan 2. 1564051;1478622048;BingoBoingo;!~google alf landon 1564052;1478622049;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Alf Landon - Wikipedia: ; United States presidential election, 1936 - Wikipedia: ; Alf Landon , G.O.P. Stand-Bearer, Dies at 100 - The New York Times: 1564053;1478622050;mircea_popescu;(gotta admit mondale totally looks the part) 1564054;1478622315;PeterL;I have seen a bunch of memes popping up on arsebook praising Obummer for having "8 years with no scandals", they seem to forget that the scandals plaguing Hillary stem from her time as part of the Obummer administration 1564055;1478622339;mircea_popescu;they also seem to forget the five or so times putin pulled his pants down and fucked him like a little bitch in front of intl orgs. 1564056;1478622369;mircea_popescu;or the time his inept healthcare bill nearly sent the country into insolvency. 1564057;1478622380;PeterL;but at least he hasn't had any sexual scandals come to light! (yet) 1564058;1478622385;mircea_popescu;or the time he destroyed the last shreds of respectability for the supreme court, what with the tax that's not a tax. 1564059;1478622391;mircea_popescu;or the other five thousand billion times. 1564060;1478622399;BingoBoingo;Also Obola had scandals "Fast and Furious", "Malia Twerking", etc 1564061;1478622442;PeterL;prog: puts hands over ears "la la la I can't hear you, you racist!" 1564062;1478622461;mircea_popescu;right. there were no scandals because he's dumb and deaf. 1564063;1478622512;PeterL;Obama remais a clean slate, everything just slides off him, and the progs still project all their pet policies onto him despite his actual actions to the contrary 1564064;1478622569;mircea_popescu;iirc indiana and kentucky close at 6, so should be interesting 1564065;1478622576;mircea_popescu;"oh, those don't count because trump won" 1564066;1478622608;PeterL;right, those lean republican so they don't matter because they were already baked into the polls that they would swing trump 1564067;1478622611;mircea_popescu;PeterL and the fundamental reason is that he's black and they're racist. in their minds, he's subhuman, and consequently incapable of action, intent, responsibility etc. 1564068;1478622634;mircea_popescu;PeterL yeah, up until the vote turns out +20 trump rather than +4 as the polls showed. 1564069;1478622635;PeterL;and the girls think he has a sexy speaking voice 1564070;1478622654;mircea_popescu;the girls just think he's a tall black man with a small dick. 1564071;1478622674;mircea_popescu;so a) all their friends will think they're fucking a submarine AND b) they won't actually get torn cunts. 1564072;1478622693;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: curious, if you're referring to obamacare re. healthcare bill, what did you mean re insolvency? or was that more in jest? ACA reduced budget deficit; but my knowledge is very superficial, so.. 1564073;1478622714;mircea_popescu;it was not in jest. you recall the shutdown ? 1564074;1478622748;Framedragger;not particularly. states were able to opt out of ACA which was not in the original plan; but the shutdown? 1564075;1478622764;*;Framedragger possibly behind on the times 1564076;1478622805;mircea_popescu;!#s government shutdown 1564077;1478622805;a111;15 results for "government shutdown", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=government%20shutdown 1564078;1478622825;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: oh, that. budget not getting approved, you mean 1564079;1478622829;Framedragger;hm 1564080;1478622843;Framedragger;sure, that was a shitshow 1564081;1478622846;mircea_popescu;no, i mean obama fucking up with his healthcare bill and nearly sending the country into insolvency thereby. 1564082;1478622865;Framedragger;but i thought it was just a negotiating tactic by the republicans - had happened before 1564083;1478622888;mircea_popescu;unless you want to put it on the same sex marriage idiocy, but this is bestowing unwarranted importance on the faggot party. 1564084;1478622905;mircea_popescu;lol. and what else, putin just didn't understand how the world works ? 1564085;1478622915;mircea_popescu;"negotiation tactic". obama fucked up the healthcare. 1564086;1478622927;Framedragger;okay 1564087;1478622942;mircea_popescu;incidentally, they all AGREE today that he fucked it up. and it "needs to be fixed". 1564088;1478622947;Framedragger;(re. putin, can't see how one could disagree there) 1564089;1478622964;mircea_popescu;somehow they ALSO all omit to point out that a) they were wrong and b) the others were right ; or propose any sort of penitence, such as you know, hanging themselves. 1564090;1478622989;Framedragger;i thought part of the fuck up was "what happens if you pass half of the bill through". something like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542331 1564091;1478622989;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 14:47 Framedragger: mein gott. decided to deploy one of the newer 'productivity web apps' for work, official install is through docker, and *obviously* official docker install is `wget -qO- https://get.docker.com/ | sh`. BUT LOOK at the end of that legit2000.sh is: 1564092;1478623014;mircea_popescu;it was badly thought out, badly written, bad all through. 1564093;1478623032;mircea_popescu;it's always tempting to say that "this dish is shit, but let me add some sauce", as if the superset of shit somehow redeems the individual turds. 1564094;1478623038;Framedragger;right, okay, fair enough. 1564095;1478623043;mircea_popescu;it never works. but what's a bureaucrat to say. 1564096;1478623080;PeterL;the year obamacare came into effect my health insurance cost went up 300%, with the same coverage 1564097;1478623091;Framedragger;lol. 1564098;1478623097;mircea_popescu;his experience is not that atypical. 1564099;1478623117;Framedragger;what a clusterfuck 1564100;1478623122;mircea_popescu;basically the whole thing was about govt corps needing a new prop for their feltering bezzle fortune. and he acquiesced. and the idiots think he's a democrat. 1564101;1478623148;mircea_popescu;the result of letting the kids on reddit instead of keeping them chained to a pole half the day with water and quarterly whippings. 1564102;1478623161;PeterL;and reports are that it will go up ~25% this year, I think that may have been one of the things tipping the polls away from clinton at the last moment 1564103;1478623179;mircea_popescu;last moment my foot she's been bleeding votes over it all summer. 1564104;1478623202;BingoBoingo;PeterL: 25% is the least it is going up depending on your ZIP code 1564105;1478623202;mircea_popescu;the idiots may think that unreported crime/fires/rapes/whatever never happened, but it's not how it works. 1564106;1478623211;PeterL;well, there was a visible change in the reported polls over the last couple weeks, that is what I am referring to 1564107;1478623227;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they raped him more last time because "not in electorally sensitive locale". the people who got it easy then for that reason are getting shafted now 1564108;1478623239;mircea_popescu;it all balances out, so that the usg can pretend it has a gdp and the oligarchy can pretend it's in business. 1564109;1478623247;mircea_popescu;the business of squandering the tax receipts, but w/e. 1564110;1478623314;PeterL;basic economics: if they wanted prices to go down they should have increased supply (hire more doctors), instead they increased demand (forced everybody to buy the "insurance") 1564111;1478623331;PeterL;suprise suprise, the cost went up 1564112;1478623333;mircea_popescu;they can't hire more doctors, because they're already hiring all the doctors that exist. 1564113;1478623366;trinque;speaking of the motherfucking health care, my premium for the shittiest plan that's available just went up by 32% 1564114;1478623367;PeterL;they could pay to put more people through doctor school, or something 1564115;1478623369;mircea_popescu;the only way out is to separate medical care from social security ; and to shoot anyone found to have engaged in fraud for the past decade. 1564116;1478623384;trinque;but it is not a tax y'see! 1564117;1478623395;mircea_popescu;PeterL right, because if i put more people through the clothes shredder i'll get more supermodels right ? 1564118;1478623398;trinque;because they launder it through an "insurance company" 1564119;1478623480;PeterL;there is also the stupid US practice of tying health insurance to your employment, instead of having an open market 1564120;1478623510;PeterL;I don't expect car insurance to be covered by my employer, why is health insurance different? 1564121;1478623608;trinque;has nothing to do with health 1564122;1478623612;trinque;it's a poll tax 1564123;1478623615;PeterL;I thought that was one of the things obummercare was supposed to fix, but it seems the only options offered are hyperexpensive 1564124;1478623785;mircea_popescu;the us health care problem has only one solution, and it's compressive not expansive. a) shoot all the malades imaginaires (such as, fine example, https://archive.is/yyQny). these literally have to be shot, no possible two ways about it ; b) make it impossible for doctors to give the patient benefits. no days off from work ; no financial payments dependent on what doctor says on paper. nothing. no more painkillers of any kind 1564125;1478623786;mircea_popescu; dispensed in the us by health insurance. 1564126;1478623824;mircea_popescu;once that's done, 98 to 99.9% of all "costs" suddenly vanish, and suddenly you get a sane health system. 1564127;1478623884;mircea_popescu;make it illegal to medicalize convenience, of all kinds. i get it that it'd be convenient for the politicians if the doctors distributed social payola to the poor under the pretense of "health". dun work that way regardless. 1564128;1478624083;PeterL;^ WTF, why does this derp think we want to hear about their sinus infection? What is wrong with these people? 1564129;1478624101;mircea_popescu;much like black mold, they took advantage of a dirty environment and spread. 1564130;1478624113;mircea_popescu;but she's the reason for MOST of the medical costs. 1564131;1478624246;mircea_popescu;(if you don't understand who "alexandra erin" is, see http://archive.is/km1CJ <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469868 ). 1564132;1478624246;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 20:33 mircea_popescu: and what's worse, the "wiki" style is proven not to work. even something originally as promising as tvtropes has over the years decayed into this unfunny collection of tiresome goop. 1564133;1478624449;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/MtHw7 << meanwhile, in the ~other~ india. 1564134;1478624460;asciilifeform;'Rs 500 and 1000 currency notes stand abolished from midnight: PM Modi Live update of PM Narendra Modi's address to the Nation. Corruption, terrorism, black money weakening the nation.' 1564135;1478624473;mircea_popescu;heh. 1564136;1478624478;mircea_popescu;india wanna be india. 1564137;1478624488;asciilifeform;'“Banks will be closed tomorrow. It will cause some hardship to you….Let us ignore these hardships… In country’s history, there comes a moment when people will want to participate in the nation building and reconstruction. Very few such moments come in life,” Modi said.' 1564138;1478624497;asciilifeform;coming soon to an india near you (tm) (r) 1564139;1478624507;mircea_popescu;they're so fucked... 1564140;1478624530;mircea_popescu;traditionally the arab horde fought west first, east 2nd. 1564141;1478624546;asciilifeform;and holy fuck, hour+ queue for ONE (yes, one) ballotron. 1564142;1478624567;mircea_popescu;lol. but why, aren't you in a blue state ? 1564143;1478624600;asciilifeform;as blue as it gets. 1564144;1478624608;asciilifeform;they simply did not see any reason to install >1 1564145;1478624614;mircea_popescu;how do you reconcile this with the grand lizzard plan ? 1564146;1478624619;asciilifeform;interestingly, the thing had a counter display 1564147;1478624632;asciilifeform;it said something like '391 ballots; 1400 protected ballots' 1564148;1478624637;asciilifeform;i have nfi what the latter refers to. 1564149;1478625161;BingoBoingo; and holy fuck, hour+ queue for ONE (yes, one) ballotron. << It took two minutes to check in and take myself to one one the many booths. Even with pollig place crowded. 1564150;1478625240;BingoBoingo; lol. but why, aren't you in a blue state ? << "Blue" areas for some reason have shit voting infrastructure though "Blue" Politicians talk of making voting easier. Meanwhile in "Red" areas voting just works. 1564151;1478625247;trinque;same, though I went last week. only lulz were some old guy yelling at staff about how he's been voting for 40 years and so on. 1564152;1478625262;trinque;in and out in ~5min 1564153;1478625365;BingoBoingo;Likely hypothesis is "blue" areas suck because of all the rigging that has to be navigated around without tripping. Thus adventures the good shit socialism on the sulphur sea of lies. 1564154;1478625429;mircea_popescu;heh 1564155;1478625680;BingoBoingo;!~google hubbard franks st louis 1564156;1478625681;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bruce Franks Jr. Beats Penny Hubbard in Special Election ...: ; Judge orders new election for Hubbard / Franks state representative ...: (1 more message) 1564157;1478625687;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: rubbish infrastructure because they dun actually ~count~ them ballots, and annoyed when too many chumps show up to fill the useless bin 1564158;1478625691;BingoBoingo;^Someone tripped and fell overboard 1564159;1478625725;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Naturally. They prolly count the undead ballots where you are 1564160;1478625736;asciilifeform;btw in state of md all you need to vote is the name, street addr, and bday of somebody registered. 1564161;1478625745;asciilifeform;they 'ideologically' refuse to see any papers etc. 1564162;1478625900;mircea_popescu;heh 1564163;1478625915;mircea_popescu;and no pubkeys either amirite. 1564164;1478625924;asciilifeform;no tits either. 1564165;1478625951;mircea_popescu;o right, which reminds me, http://68.media.tumblr.com/36fea82e5532ba2cc9ecd263a12b2434/tumblr_n6o560mtB21ty32nco1_1280.jpg 1564166;1478626007;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yesb1/?raw=true << in other lulz. 1564167;1478626028;asciilifeform;^ seekrit-evidence trial. 1564168;1478626081;asciilifeform;e.g., 'This case is complex because it involves classified discovery that requires a top secret clearance to review. In order to make use of the classified discovery at trial, counsel will have to engage in CIPA litigation. This requires that defense counsel be able to review the discovery, determine a trial strategy and decide what discovery and evidence will be necessaryfor trial, in advance of the currentlyscheduled hearing date o 1564169;1478626081;asciilifeform;f July 5. Defense counsel received the discovery in a SCIF on June 13, 2016. This includes, however, a disc of emails that cannot currently be reviewed, as a secure computer has not yet been provided, as well as the files of the case agents, which are also classified and were not previously available to counsel..' 1564170;1478626201;mircea_popescu;lol. defendant's counsel is unable to review 1tb of data in a foreign language + 36k individual records also in a foreign language made available by prosecution a week before trial date. 1564171;1478626211;mircea_popescu;consequently, public defendant todd richman will take over. 1564172;1478626223;asciilifeform;aha. 1564173;1478626226;mircea_popescu;because why, todd richman is magically able to read and comprehend data at that rate ? 1564174;1478626232;asciilifeform;because you know what. 1564175;1478626242;asciilifeform;these have become tediously predictable. 1564176;1478626274;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1564177;1478626313;asciilifeform;oh, strange: 1564178;1478626320;asciilifeform;the original pdf had the offered plea agreement 1564179;1478626322;asciilifeform;it didn't ocr. 1564180;1478626325;asciilifeform; ( https://cryptome.org/2016/11/mohan-nirala.pdf , yes ) 1564181;1478626351;asciilifeform;i had never previously seen these iirc. 1564182;1478626353;asciilifeform;quite a read. 1564183;1478626400;asciilifeform;the indictment itself is also non-ocr'd apparently. 1564184;1478626441;asciilifeform;d00d is on trial for having clitlered away some secret map etc. 1564185;1478626446;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the internets never heard of this mohan nirala before. 1564186;1478626448;mircea_popescu;sez google. 1564187;1478626455;trinque;hey, FBI could review 650k e-mails in however many days 1564188;1478626466;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg. unsealed doc. 1564189;1478626468;trinque;top minds in govt 1564190;1478626472;mircea_popescu;trinque yes but those weren't classified. 1564191;1478626477;trinque;oic 1564192;1478626481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform are you writing a qntra here ? 1564193;1478626504;asciilifeform;'willful retention of national defense information.' 1564194;1478626513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no, it is fair game for who wants to. 1564195;1478626516;asciilifeform;( BingoBoingo ? ) 1564196;1478626527;*;BingoBoingo handsfull 1564197;1478626540;mircea_popescu;well any of the aspiring young'uns looking for stuff to do works. 1564198;1478626695;mircea_popescu;back to the lulzpocalypse, there's exactly 0 reporting on early voting / outside-the-booth polls / etc from the pantsuit media. 1564199;1478626705;mircea_popescu;apparently it looks THAT bad. 1564200;1478626765;asciilifeform;'clinton declared winner in guam' 1564201;1478626802;BingoBoingo;http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/exit-polls-what-do-voters-want-230935 << LOLOLOL TRUMPREICH! 1564202;1478626859;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/rX2d5 ) 1564203;1478627002;asciilifeform;'Barring a frightening and horrifying upset, later tonight Hillary Clinton will make history when she becomes the first woman to ever be elected president of the United States.' -- british fishwrap 1564204;1478627048;mircea_popescu;wsj is also running red. 1564205;1478627185;asciilifeform;http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html << by the folx who fixed the last 2 elections. 1564206;1478627200;asciilifeform;(last 4, really) 1564207;1478627201;mircea_popescu;who, m00t ? 1564208;1478627209;shinohai;"Votes from Guam, however, don’t count, as the island has no representation in the Electoral College. " 1564209;1478627218;mircea_popescu;story of her life. 1564210;1478627222;mircea_popescu;lfye& 1564211;1478628676;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://elections16.usatoday.com/outlook/presidential << plenty of 'reporting'. complete with the hardcoded clitler. 1564212;1478628763;trinque;that's just exit polls 1564213;1478628770;trinque;not actual vote tallies 1564214;1478628784;asciilifeform;well yes, it was in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564198 1564215;1478628784;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 17:38 mircea_popescu: back to the lulzpocalypse, there's exactly 0 reporting on early voting / outside-the-booth polls / etc from the pantsuit media. 1564216;1478628861;trinque;ah 1564217;1478628867;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/soylents-attempt-to-scapegoat-soy-sinks/ << Qntra - Soylent's Attempt To Scapegoat Soy Sinks 1564218;1478628909;BingoBoingo;^ Far more future influence than Trump-Clinton vs. Rodham-Clinton 1564219;1478629470;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: s/is not an uncommon phenomena/is not an uncommon phenomenon/ (singular, not plural) i think? 1564220;1478629523;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/axayN << holy shit, ~chinese~ !? 1564221;1478629531;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564028 << ah, the once-every-four-years reminder that the rest of the country has to actually work to vote 1564222;1478629531;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 15:37 asciilifeform: lel, asciilifeform is standing in queue to stuff 'paper ballot' into... diebold scanner. 1564223;1478629570;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: they have mail-in etc. here but there is 0 sport in it. 1564224;1478629573;ben_vulpes;we throw parties, drink, argue over every single seat and pencil the boxes in on our mail-in ballots 1564225;1478629576;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: Plural or what? Everyone hates the same protein folded the same way? 1564226;1478629655;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: "Digestive intolerance of unfamiliar plant proteins is not an uncommon phenomena" -> phenomena, i thought, refers to the subject, i.e. "digestive intolerance", which is a singular (not many phenomena, but a single: intolerance) 1564227;1478629671;Framedragger;(modern english is not an inflected language; latin is more inflected. "phenomenon" is a latin word. suffix "on" here denotes singular; "a" denotes plural. but this is probably known, apologies if patronizing tone) 1564228;1478629701;BingoBoingo;It's a weird thing because plants and proteins. It a slural 1564229;1478629727;Framedragger;probably multiple valid ways of interpreting that sentence anyway :) 1564230;1478629751;BingoBoingo;Which is why it is agriCULTURE 1564231;1478629810;trinque;but either is/phenomenon or are/phenomena eh? 1564232;1478629826;Framedragger;i think so, yeah 1564233;1478629842;Framedragger;hence tripped grammar wire in my head 1564234;1478629848;trinque;yar 1564235;1478629860;BingoBoingo;fine, fxing 1564236;1478629891;asciilifeform;incidentally, anybody else's trb node under 'askfor tx somecrapolade' ddos ? 1564237;1478630098;BingoBoingo;not that I've seen. Recent set of debug.log lines looks normal http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yzxom/?raw=true 1564238;1478630102;trinque;asciilifeform: deedbot actually looks blackholed 1564239;1478630117;trinque;miles of "socket no message in first 60 seconds" 1564240;1478630202;asciilifeform;mine is simply fed shit all day, by virtually all connecters, to slow it. 1564241;1478630216;asciilifeform;the 'something to allcomers' days are drawin' to a close. 1564242;1478630233;asciilifeform;and mining, which ultimately forces this situation, is idiotic bug. 1564243;1478630287;trinque;what would an alternative look like? blocks are somehow deterministic? 1564244;1478630300;asciilifeform;aaaaand now zoolag blackholed, instead. 1564245;1478630303;trinque;lel 1564246;1478630311;asciilifeform;trinque: there were several threads re this unsolved problem. 1564247;1478630322;asciilifeform;(afaik it is very much unsolved.) 1564248;1478630329;trinque;mhm, was just wondering if you favored an option 1564249;1478630335;trinque;blackhole started at 2016-11-08_18:20:30.28655 UTC over here 1564250;1478630338;asciilifeform;i would say, if i did. 1564251;1478630377;asciilifeform;i do not expect to see any beautiful solutions to the mining problem. 1564252;1478630385;asciilifeform;and you are already familiar with the basic ugly solutions. 1564253;1478630545;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo he's right you know. 1564254;1478630566;asciilifeform;btw, 1564255;1478630591;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/l8hg0/?raw=true << THIS type of blackhole is 'false blackhole', it comes from the idiot engine not knowing how to answer ANY message if a block is being verified 1564256;1478630594;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sorry, the spirit of the TrumpReich was too strong at that moment, has been fxd 1564257;1478630598;asciilifeform;(which, recall, happens SERIALLY and quite slowly) 1564258;1478630602;mircea_popescu;lol 1564259;1478630616;asciilifeform;global lock!1111 1564260;1478630626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform going right back to the "mempool != blockpool" issue 1564261;1478630647;asciilifeform;mempool really belongs chopped cleanly out of trb. 1564262;1478630651;asciilifeform;wholly optional process. 1564263;1478630668;mircea_popescu;"food replacement start up Soylent is suffering the in wake a a severe" << is it suffering the ? 1564264;1478630737;mircea_popescu;i guess we'll ping Guest83897 re http://qntra.net/2016/11/soylents-attempt-to-scapegoat-soy-sinks/ lol 1564265;1478630774;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1564266;1478630840;BingoBoingo;fxd even though looking back at typo Soylent could be gravely suffering from "the" 1564267;1478630924;mircea_popescu;i think it's a decent meme. "don't make me make you suffer the." 1564268;1478631020;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/xG9s7 << meanwhile, at the circus.. 1564269;1478631530;BingoBoingo;The, the plague of their time 1564270;1478631590;mircea_popescu;lol 1564271;1478631598;mircea_popescu;RUSSIAN CYBERATTIX! 1564272;1478631676;BingoBoingo;There's a monster in the AttiX 1564273;1478631732;mircea_popescu;they're so delightfully idiotic, these people. "oh, major power is looking to influence elections in shithole. THIS IS SO UNPRECEDENTED!!1" 1564274;1478631768;BingoBoingo;Free Nortiega! 1564275;1478631814;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ObIUo << lizards show 0 fear. 1564276;1478631944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the volume is ~0. they're petrified. 1564277;1478631986;mircea_popescu;the only story worth telling in financial, and so obv the only story you won't ever read, is that this election already has been the last straw - new york is no longer the world's financial center. 1564278;1478632157;asciilifeform;eh that's not mega-seekrit. e.g., http://oper.ru/video/view.php?t=1774 , (mega-bl0gg3r d00d) puchkov interviews fella who runs a spin-molded steel pipe plant. they buy allows (internally, in ru!) by london market prices. 1564279;1478632189;mircea_popescu;eh. london's not been the center of the world's finances since soros raped it at the latest. 1564280;1478632209;asciilifeform;where then, center? shamballa in nazi antarctica ? 1564281;1478632221;mircea_popescu;prolly before. the way these things work there's definite events that make it obvious and indisputable, but the thing was prolly rotten before. 1564282;1478632224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in asia. 1564283;1478632255;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they, like ru, produce own pipe, and ~none for export. it's a strategic commodity. 1564284;1478632274;mircea_popescu;your ideas on the topic are entirely reality-free. 1564285;1478632275;asciilifeform;ru -- now, apparently, exports, softened ruble made it a mega-deal. 1564286;1478632295;asciilifeform;i have 0 ideas on the topic, only what's in the lint trap. 1564287;1478632393;mircea_popescu;china mostly produces for export, still. 1564288;1478632405;asciilifeform;incl. reactor vessel pipe ? 1564289;1478632428;mircea_popescu;we're discussing finance here, not narrow one-offs. 1564290;1478632430;asciilifeform;i will believe mircea_popescu if he says this, personally i must admit, never bought even centimetre of this pipe. 1564291;1478632436;asciilifeform;nor stock therein, etc. 1564292;1478633427;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564255 << funny feeling here, similar to that of when the $ecomm cluster went down because one of the 'frontend engineers' self-ddossed the site with javascripts 1564293;1478633427;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 18:43 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/l8hg0/?raw=true << THIS type of blackhole is 'false blackhole', it comes from the idiot engine not knowing how to answer ANY message if a block is being verified 1564294;1478633651;ben_vulpes;semi relatedly, if anyone wants shorter urls for pastes, try p.bvulpes.com 1564295;1478633699;ben_vulpes;same ip as before, for those hand-tending the /etc/hosts bonsai 1564296;1478633789;mircea_popescu;why not b-v.com or such 1564297;1478633794;mircea_popescu;gotta find a combo that's unregistered 1564298;1478633891;asciilifeform;for the ancient vehicle aficionados --- http://www.worksperfect.com . 1564299;1478633975;asciilifeform;domain regged in '04... 1564300;1478634030;asciilifeform;'archive.org' has 1 single solitary cache, https://web.archive.org/web/20110203180222/http://www.worksperfect.com/ , he was hawking some ~other~ machine 1564301;1478634615;trinque;my node is back to accepting txn; looks like yep, just was gagged on a block ? 1564302;1478634633;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: holy doodle i'd no idea 1564303;1478634643;mircea_popescu;see ? 1564304;1478634643;asciilifeform;trinque: quite often happens here. 1564305;1478634650;mircea_popescu;+30 iq points from #trilema 1564306;1478634769;mircea_popescu;and in other chicks-with-opinions, http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/occupy_204.jpg 1564307;1478634843;ben_vulpes;ah, alas not actually available. 1564308;1478635091;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/jhcXw << oh noez, 'refused to promise to concede', lel. 1564309;1478635185;mircea_popescu;lol the "there is no evidence" bs. 1564310;1478635191;mircea_popescu;good thing that there's evidence of "carbon" blabla. 1564311;1478635412;asciilifeform;'evidence' means a very particular thing to these folx. 1564312;1478635791;mircea_popescu;right, "there's no letter from hitler saying..." 1564313;1478635823;PeterL;from asciilifeform link: "There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in American elections." [citation needed] 1564314;1478635836;PeterL;oh, mp beat me to it 1564315;1478635857;mircea_popescu;lol 1564316;1478635874;mircea_popescu;funny thing being that gaddafi said the same thing. 1564317;1478635964;mircea_popescu;banana republic always comes back to its vomit or how was it. 1564318;1478636092;asciilifeform;also the existence of 'coloured states' is not fraudulent because-reasons. 1564319;1478636113;mircea_popescu;hey, as close to a surogate of nationality as they can muster over there. 1564320;1478636122;mircea_popescu;"here is where we eat the dijon mustard" 1564321;1478636199;asciilifeform;and hm, yes, very peculiarly thin real-time 'poll newz' 1564322;1478636313;mircea_popescu;incidentally - the trump flame will live on! jared kushner (trump's online campaign strategist, no less) bought a piece of property at 666 5th ave for 1.8bn in 2007. by 2009 its revenue couldn't face the debt servicing so he sold it for... 1bn. therefore he won't have to pay taxes for... 1564323;1478636322;mircea_popescu;im guessing he's running in 2020. 1564324;1478636340;mircea_popescu;just about old enough, born 81. 1564325;1478637152;asciilifeform;'Donald Trump's campaign moved to contest the election results of battleground Nevada, claiming the registrar of Democratic-heavy Clark County kept an early voting location open two extra hours to help boost Democratic turnout. The complaint alleges a polling location in a heavily Latino part of the county stayed open past its 8 p.m. closing time, allowing people to line up and vote until 10 p.m. The Republican poll watcher said the 1564326;1478637152;asciilifeform;extension allowed as many as 300 people to join the line.' 1564327;1478637162;asciilifeform;ballot-diddling dun have to be electric. 1564328;1478637248;mircea_popescu;eh. 1564329;1478637500;asciilifeform;'Officials across the country are worried that cyberattacks could create chaos on Election Day. The fear, they say, is not that hackers will be able to alter the vote count, but that they will be able to sow doubt in the integrity of the results.' << lelz 1564330;1478637503;asciilifeform;sow doubt !! 1564331;1478638509;mircea_popescu;she sow doubt had russians. 1564332;1478638538;asciilifeform;she cow pig had clittens. 1564333;1478638580;mircea_popescu;"hillary clinton got about thirteen million votes and won the election, but then russian hackers sowed doubt in the integrity of the results." 1564334;1478639260;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qgthk/?raw=true 1564335;1478639260;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1564336;1478639328;shinohai;http://i.imgur.com/gRY0uIq.jpg 1564337;1478640765;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564322 << right down the street from moma . posh spot. 1564338;1478640765;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 20:18 mircea_popescu: incidentally - the trump flame will live on! jared kushner (trump's online campaign strategist, no less) bought a piece of property at 666 5th ave for 1.8bn in 2007. by 2009 its revenue couldn't face the debt servicing so he sold it for... 1bn. therefore he won't have to pay taxes for... 1564339;1478640901;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564236 << seeing same here on laocoon. 1564340;1478640901;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 18:31 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody else's trb node under 'askfor tx somecrapolade' ddos ? 1564341;1478640928;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/11/distracting-ourselves.html#more << in other luliday lulz. 1564342;1478641043;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564268 << gold. 1564343;1478641043;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 18:50 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/xG9s7 << meanwhile, at the circus.. 1564344;1478641158;pete_dushenski;best election day ever. so many smug rats impoverished by my 'trollish' 'prediction' of trump in white house. to think one even offered to donate his shillary winnings to spca. sorry kittens, but papa pete needs new furniture this year. 1564345;1478641249;asciilifeform;wai wat winnings 1564346;1478641362;pete_dushenski;i bet a few different meatwotters on the us election outcome. shillary was shoe-in for 95% of 'educated' folks up north. 1564347;1478641456;pete_dushenski;“The model predicted a Trump win in February and nothing has changed since then. Whatever happens in the real world doesn’t affect the model,” he said. 1564348;1478641475;pete_dushenski;he == Helmut Norpoth, a political science professor at SUNY Stony Brook 1564349;1478641530;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/coinbase-partnering-up-for-facial-verification-as-relevance-continues-sinking/ << Qntra - Coinbase Partnering Up For Facial Verification As Relevance Continues Sinking 1564350;1478642132;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563985 << and how! so eager, so hungry. the youf there are as close as i've seen first-hand to 'blue jeans'-level of adventurousness. whatever tensions between east and west are going on there are working like a charm. it's like the european philippines or something, everyone you meet from there is as friendly, hard-working and unpretentious as they come. 1564351;1478642132;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 14:20 mircea_popescu: well, all baltics are 16 yo. 1564352;1478642212;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563952 << by this measure, architecture is ~the only post-secondary school carry the torch for the whole lot. 1564353;1478642212;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 13:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563912 << anything where half or more of the hopefuls fail to make it in, AND half or more of the first year fails to pass into 2nd. it must be selective in this sense, with an understanding that most extant fenotypes are biological failures of no further interest or value. 1564354;1478642219;pete_dushenski;carrying* 1564355;1478642227;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: y'know, the balts did their j00z in long prior to germans showing up. and when showed up, ss barfed. 1564356;1478642242;*;pete_dushenski is well aware. 1564357;1478642254;pete_dushenski;but that was then! :P 1564358;1478643061;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/black-snake-moan/ << Trilema - Black Snake Moan 1564359;1478643084;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the dept of 'Жить стало лучше, жить стало веселее !', https://archive.is/xfYkX 1564360;1478643102;*;BingoBoingo awaits pete_dushenski using his winning to reupholster ride in whale penis leather 1564361;1478643141;mircea_popescu;lol wtf are you doing alf. 1564362;1478643157;shinohai;ha I recall Black Snake Moan a few years ago, some weird chick watched it with me. 1564363;1478643194;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiting for a $measurementproggy run.. 1564364;1478643243;mircea_popescu;i c! 1564365;1478643339;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2016/black-snake-moan/#comment-119651 1564366;1478643399;mircea_popescu;aaanswer't. 1564367;1478643671;mircea_popescu;so has america been made great again yet or what ? 1564368;1478643742;asciilifeform;nope 1564369;1478643779;mircea_popescu;ah just 5:30. mkay. 1564370;1478644120;trinque;http://archive.is/FQsyF << nate silver (wot: nonperson) is already sputtering 1564371;1478644199;shinohai;"Epic Clinton blowout" haz ring 1564372;1478644295;asciilifeform;and about half of the 'they don't want you to know!!!' idiot ads are.. in slovenian.? or is it just from my ip. 1564373;1478644461;BingoBoingo;RUSSIAN HACKERS DID 538 1564374;1478644930;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: what am i, general aladeen ? 1564375;1478644955;pete_dushenski;THIS ELECTION IS HIV ALADEEN!!!11!! 1564376;1478644958;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Well, if 95% of the money is on the other side... 1564377;1478645009;pete_dushenski;95% of the ~talk~. lol people don't put their money where their mouths are unless i goad them into it. 1564378;1478645098;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1282/hillary-clinton-indicted-before-january-1st-2017/ << tho the odds of this make me salivate a bit 1564379;1478645499;pete_dushenski;!#s natedog 1564380;1478645499;a111;3 results for "natedog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=natedog 1564381;1478645523;pete_dushenski;trinque: ^^ silver has been collapsing for weeks. 1564382;1478645566;pete_dushenski;i actually leveraged the democrat shill's 'data' to double-down on one of my bets lol 1564383;1478645608;ben_vulpes;what's your total election exposure, pete_dushenski ? 1564384;1478645657;pete_dushenski;coupla bitdimes 1564385;1478645706;ben_vulpes;and what kinda odds did you get out of the progres? 1564386;1478645765;pete_dushenski;just even money. i'm a generous soul like that y'know. 1564387;1478645812;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WKJ68jr2tM << in other balanced scales, live rt election coverage 1564388;1478645892;mircea_popescu;in other insane gambling, i did a ~50 bitcent eulora click earlier today. 1564389;1478645896;mircea_popescu;it... didn't pay out. 1564390;1478646048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because the archive spider hit it from sl ip 1564391;1478646134;mircea_popescu;lmao "epic clinton blowout". wtf is wrong with these people. 1564392;1478646221;BingoBoingo;line dominating the lamestream: voters "holding noses at the polls" 1564393;1478646240;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didntcha notice that the fishwrap contents ~haven't changed all day~ !? 1564394;1478646322;BingoBoingo;Of course. That's why all the talk on radio about how Kasich would have easily won in a landside had America warmed up to its physical incarnation http://qntra.net/2016/03/john-kasich-is-america/ 1564395;1478646330;BingoBoingo;Make America, America Again!!! 1564396;1478646382;asciilifeform;or hey, have an apparent noosepiece, https://archive.is/rgCkc . 1564397;1478646437;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA also reported in st louis 1564398;1478646464;BingoBoingo;http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/11/08/machines-change-votee-need-to-hear-as-told-by-kmox-callers/ 1564399;1478646492;asciilifeform;nfi why vote-diddlage has to be done in plain sight of the victim -- other than as 'crank bait'. 1564400;1478646497;BingoBoingo;Who knows, at this rate the whites in ferguson missouri might riot tonight 1564401;1478646613;asciilifeform;lol white riot. 1564402;1478646948;BingoBoingo;!~google wheel chair combat tactics 1564403;1478646949;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Wheelchair Self Defence - Fight Times Magazine: ; Wheelchair Self-defense Against A Physically Stronger Attacker ...: ; Wheelchair self defense - YouTube: 1564404;1478646966;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform possible 1564405;1478647578;asciilifeform;https://www.washingtonpost.com/2016-election-results/us-presidential-race << state of NH, supposedly, heils tritler 1564406;1478647697;asciilifeform;or hm, this is still based on that vilage with popcount 100..? 1564407;1478647817;asciilifeform;i quite distinctly recall this nonsense last time, btw, where the 'real time tickers' shows 0 'blue' until last possible moment, to maximize obummer turnout. 1564408;1478647917;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/93wRP << lizard psyops begin. 1564409;1478648414;ben_vulpes;heeeee natesilver's website still shows 70+% likelihood that clinton would take nh 1564410;1478648470;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564306 << 'arrested development' (fox tv show) was brought back once before, unfortunately. whereas family guy was also cancelled after a few seasons before getting the christ-on-easter treatment, cartoons don't have, actors do. and the +5yo actors on arrested development were ~the saddest reunion of hollow meatsacks since cheers. 1564411;1478648470;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 19:52 mircea_popescu: and in other chicks-with-opinions, http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/occupy_204.jpg 1564412;1478648580;pete_dushenski;for any of you who watched the early (and quite excellent) seasons of ae and also caught a glimpse of 'season 4', you'll fully appreciate the horror that was lindsay bluth (portia de rossi, ellen's bitch) 's frozen in carbonite face... it was tragic. 1564413;1478648625;pete_dushenski;it was a stellar advertisement for the dangers of plastic surgery, and of aging in general in and around beverly hills 1564414;1478648659;asciilifeform;in other gary condits, 'Victim pushed off Times Square reportedly was Blackstone CEO Schwarzman's housekeeper.' 1564415;1478649321;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/8umzR << 200k votes counted according to cnn. trump leading 68-28!! 1564416;1478649333;BingoBoingo;Trump Leading Kentucky and Indiana returns 1564417;1478649371;pete_dushenski;watch the final numbers be exactly trump 2/3 to shillary 1/4 with the change for gary. 1564418;1478649515;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/nOAbY << didn't see in logs but day-old nooze that hillary cancelled her fireworks spectacle for nyc 1564419;1478649593;asciilifeform;in other 'news', i ended up learning that entirely working 1-2seat petrol-powered airplanes cost less (secondhand) than pete_dushenski's cheapest car. how come he ain't got one yet ?? 1564420;1478649610;asciilifeform;10-20k in, e.g., 'ebay'. 1564421;1478649678;pete_dushenski;because i don't want to 'have accident' ? 1564422;1478649691;asciilifeform;can 'have accident' in auto just as well. 1564423;1478649693;asciilifeform;like hastings. 1564424;1478649709;asciilifeform;if i had to pick, i'd rather burn in a plane, more humane. 1564425;1478649723;pete_dushenski;burn in a tesla, biggest fireworz 1564426;1478649731;asciilifeform;electric chair!11 1564427;1478649738;pete_dushenski;li-ion powered 1564428;1478649745;pete_dushenski;heh 1564429;1478649822;pete_dushenski;anyways, for as much as i love cars, i'd be quite content to have a chauffeur 95% of the time. and for flying a chauffeur is just fine by me 100% of the time. 1564430;1478649871;asciilifeform;aah i laboured under the impression that pete_dushenski is one of those odd folk who enjoys operating weird vehicle. 1564431;1478649884;asciilifeform;possibly confused with ben_vulpes on this count. 1564432;1478649887;pete_dushenski;i enjoy objets d'art 1564433;1478649903;asciilifeform;he -- has 0 excuse not to buy 'grumman yankee' which costs less even, apparently, than my ancient car. 1564434;1478649904;pete_dushenski;and driving very fast 1564435;1478649920;asciilifeform;'grumman' goes fast. 1564436;1478649920;pete_dushenski;d'arts* 1564437;1478649944;asciilifeform;(not a mig, but nobody's buying a mig for 25btc) 1564438;1478650021;pete_dushenski;aha. ben_vulpes does own wrenching on old murican metal. i enjoy the relationships with my mechanics and learning about how each of them is designed as various pieces break and sundry fluids leak out. 1564439;1478650042;pete_dushenski;them = cars, not mechanics 1564440;1478650048;asciilifeform;lel 1564441;1478650073;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You know you want to "rise above" those filthy other drivers on the road http://www2.crown.com/au/forklifts/stockpickers-sp-overview.html 1564442;1478650126;pete_dushenski;haha is that for bezos' minions ? 1564443;1478650160;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: No, Amazon doesn't do vertical. They spread horizontal. 1564444;1478650195;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/revjf << psyop #2 1564445;1478650198;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCL9Q3LnSPY << to really rise above, drive new(!) lada niva. 1564446;1478650228;asciilifeform;'https://archive.is/revjf#selection-4151.0-4151.73' 1564447;1478650230;asciilifeform;arrrg 1564448;1478650239;asciilifeform;'One killed, three injured in shooting near Los Angeles-area polling place' 1564449;1478650289;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Just imagine "popemobile" style box on elevated platform 1564450;1478650290;asciilifeform;why the FUCK does archive.is permit js crapolade in captured object to run?! 1564451;1478650356;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: needs more gelandewagen then. 1564452;1478650386;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: At that point you just call Xibit and have him pimp your ride 1564453;1478650410;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ain't nobody got time for a pilots license under this regime 1564454;1478650435;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i confess, i have not followed subj -- did it get more painful under obummer ? 1564455;1478650450;ben_vulpes;i wouldn't know, was never interested in license before 1564456;1478650470;*;ben_vulpes finds planes precisely as interesting as cars 1564457;1478650478;pete_dushenski;http://www.benzworld.org/forums/attachments/g-class/153128d1197308652-pope-drives-g-wagen-031.jpg << BingoBoingo 1564458;1478650485;ben_vulpes;interesting rubiks cubes, things for le progre to gawk at 1564459;1478650495;asciilifeform;g-wagen cannot be imho anything but gasenwagen. 1564460;1478650511;pete_dushenski;LOL 1564461;1478650515;ben_vulpes;g 'wagon', here at least. 1564462;1478650525;BingoBoingo;http://www2.crown.com/au/forklifts/gas-forklifts-16-18-ton-index.html << Promising chassis for next tearing apart of town 1564463;1478650532;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yankee looks like a neat toy 1564464;1478650541;ben_vulpes;may buy for $bzprtnr 1564465;1478650558;asciilifeform;lolwhy, ben_vulpes gets his shares if he croaks ? 1564466;1478650567;ben_vulpes;who is some 80% of the way to his license 1564467;1478650570;asciilifeform;aah 1564468;1478650583;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the arrangement's intimacy boggles the mind 1564469;1478650600;ben_vulpes;but let's put it like this -- i'd not have to pay for pilotage 1564470;1478650625;pete_dushenski;bbl 1564471;1478650871;BingoBoingo;And now returns noise starts 1564472;1478650892;ben_vulpes;4:20 1564473;1478650893;ben_vulpes;roast dems 1564474;1478650941;BingoBoingo;ATM goole is calling electoral vote 19-3 with TrumpReich seizing kentucky and Indiana but losing... Vermont 1564475;1478650990;asciilifeform;snoar, they have not yet counted the chunk of florida that was racereplaced with reliable orcs, etc. 1564476;1478650994;BingoBoingo;Google also has Florida oscillating colots 1564477;1478650998;BingoBoingo;*colors 1564478;1478651014;asciilifeform;the 'colour kaleidoscope' was perfected in '08 map-ticker. 1564479;1478651092;BingoBoingo;Existed in 2004 1564480;1478651164;BingoBoingo;http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=regressive#update 1564481;1478651993;asciilifeform;lel, NH flipped 1564482;1478652191;ben_vulpes;thought that was closed somehow 1564483;1478652227;trinque;ben_vulpes: most of these are still in single digit % reporting 1564484;1478652247;trinque;FL 11% now 1564485;1478652262;ben_vulpes;aok 1564486;1478652305;trinque;florida being the infested cock that it is, I wouldn't be surprised if they're still farting around tomorrow 1564487;1478652965;asciilifeform;trinque: looks gift-wrapped for clitler, if one believes the map 1564488;1478653165;BingoBoingo;Many states rapidly oscillating https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5dmcceVIwY 1564489;1478653474;BingoBoingo;Trump still leading popular vote 1564490;1478653494;asciilifeform;shame that dun do anything. 1564491;1478653496;BingoBoingo;By ~360,000 1564492;1478653564;ben_vulpes;“dollar spooked in asia as us polls too close to call” -- reuters 1564493;1478653575;ben_vulpes;doll? 1564494;1478653578;ben_vulpes;DOLL? 1564495;1478653598;ben_vulpes;there is some heinous shit happening in os x these days. 1564496;1478653610;asciilifeform;waiwut 1564497;1478653640;ben_vulpes;i've no idea, but i get "doll spooked" somehow 1564498;1478653896;BingoBoingo;Trumpreich leading popular vote by 400 kiloballots 1564499;1478654392;asciilifeform;lel, FL supposedly ~100 people apart. 1564500;1478655005;trinque;texas blue with 1% reporting!1!?2?! 1564501;1478655030;trinque;this whole business of anticipating the results is idiocy 1564502;1478655042;trinque;just finish and publish, wtf 1564503;1478655076;trinque;the inability of anyone in this country to restrain herself is built into the process. 1564504;1478656990;mircea_popescu;zherself! 1564505;1478657297;asciilifeform;go trumplincton. 1564506;1478657836;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564415 << lmao! 1564507;1478657836;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 23:55 pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/8umzR << 200k votes counted according to cnn. trump leading 68-28!! 1564508;1478657867;mircea_popescu;currently standing 50% to 46.2% 1564509;1478657884;mircea_popescu;19.6mn to 18.1 mn ; 128 to 97 electoral votes 1564510;1478658033;mircea_popescu;dude totally swept the midwest look at that. 1564511;1478658104;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564437 << give it some time lelz. 1564512;1478658104;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 00:05 asciilifeform: (not a mig, but nobody's buying a mig for 25btc) 1564513;1478658129;mircea_popescu;people have bought cars for btc sums that'd suffice to buy a frigate. 1564514;1478658131;asciilifeform;aha, and i gotta wait for mthreat to write his masterpiece 'how to mig', and then read it !1111 1564515;1478658303;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564491 << by now it's 1.5mn 1564516;1478658303;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 01:04 BingoBoingo: By ~360,000 1564517;1478658357;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564499 << honeslty i think florida does that just for the drama. "get numbers from random.org for the last 3 digfits" 1564518;1478658357;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 01:19 asciilifeform: lel, FL supposedly ~100 people apart. 1564519;1478658601;mircea_popescu;lmao at all the reports about how "hillary clinton leads" and "clinton on eve of presidency" etc. 1564520;1478658617;mircea_popescu;this is going to be such a lulzy wed 1564521;1478661681;mod6;:D 1564522;1478661707;BingoBoingo;OMG TRUMPREICH!!! 1564523;1478662240;mircea_popescu;still 1.5mn ahead, check him out. 1564524;1478662250;mircea_popescu;68mn turnout is already pretty good. 1564525;1478662312;mircea_popescu;iirc obama 1-2 were at like 80-85mn 1564526;1478662466;asciilifeform;'global markets tumble' oh noeezzz!11111 1564527;1478662806;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/new-york-times-shifts-projection-to-immanent-trumpreich/ << Qntra - New York Times Shifts Projection To Immanent Trumpreich 1564528;1478662822;shinohai;there is a qntest entry in this dumb video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbryz0mxuMY 1564529;1478662866;BingoBoingo;shinohai: There is no entry because entry has rules explicitly forbidding Youtube and other spammer refuges. 1564530;1478662879;BingoBoingo;title fxd 1564531;1478662889;shinohai;lol 1564532;1478662947;BingoBoingo;Also now 91%, that needle is moving fast 1564533;1478663148;BingoBoingo;And popular vote lead approaching 2 million 1564534;1478663277;BingoBoingo;And lol early utah returns show Clitler and McMullin each at 21% 1564535;1478664148;BingoBoingo;And NYT needle now pegged at ">95%" 1564536;1478664285;BingoBoingo;Wait, Virginia already "called" for clitler while North Carolina and FLorida still "leaning" even with better numbers suggesting Trumpreich 1564537;1478664731;mircea_popescu;anyone here ever saw a film called swordfish ? 1564538;1478664740;mircea_popescu;i think it's the worst film ever made. 1564539;1478664870;mircea_popescu;aaand trump took florida 1564540;1478664887;asciilifeform;eh that was whole hour ago!111 1564541;1478664907;mircea_popescu;hey, i was busy. 1564542;1478664922;mircea_popescu;anyway, pretty much all over for the dumb bitch that dared go against the republic. 1564543;1478664941;mircea_popescu;hopefully the rest of the aparatchicks can learn from her corpse 1564544;1478664943;asciilifeform;too early to buy coal for the crematoria just yet. 1564545;1478664944;mircea_popescu;rather than from their own. 1564546;1478664958;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: preeeeetty bad. 1564547;1478664999;BingoBoingo; eh that was whole hour ago!111 << No, they "called" it just minutes ago though obvious earlier 1564548;1478665037;mircea_popescu;also got nc etc 1564549;1478665084;mircea_popescu;it's enough for her to lose wisconsin, which she doesn't have a prayer with, or michigan, which idem, and she's out. 1564550;1478665088;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anyone here ever saw a film called swordfish ? << lol, yes. 1564551;1478665094;mircea_popescu;she'll prolly lose both + pennsylvanioa, and so... 1564552;1478665126;BingoBoingo;Yes, her current pennsylvania lead is eroding by the minute because rural votes matter 1564553;1478665164;mircea_popescu;i dunno what they're talking with 87%. unless 99.87% is what they mean. 1564554;1478665192;BingoBoingo;But nytime lags in awarding states and so they show Clitler up 1 electoral vote on their count 1564555;1478665268;mircea_popescu;she's entirely out of ammo. 1564556;1478665313;mircea_popescu;also gop swiped senate something fierce. 1564557;1478665334;BingoBoingo;Anyways the difference between 2012 polls and 2016 is old people still had landlines in 2012. Now they don't. 1564558;1478665358;mircea_popescu;heh. check out the effect of bahamas on illinois though. pretty much the only thing the guy did, porkbarrel. it shows. 1564559;1478665376;trinque;fivethirtyeight has trump at 28.6% to win, last updated 14hrs ago. bahaha teh butt-tears. 1564560;1478665395;asciilifeform;hey he only needs to, what, lose michigan and wisconsin..? 1564561;1478665418;mircea_popescu;"The fear at the Javitz Center in New York, where Hillary Clinton is due to greet the results later tonight, is palpable." sez one lucia graves 1564562;1478665441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. he only needs to win one of mi, wis, or penn. 1564563;1478665445;BingoBoingo; heh. check out the effect of bahamas on illinois though. pretty much the only thing the guy did, porkbarrel. it shows. << Check the county map. Chicago and East St Louis (and not neighbors of East st louis) got pork 1564564;1478665445;mircea_popescu;she must win all three. 1564565;1478665459;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha. 1564566;1478665466;mircea_popescu;that's what i'm saying, it's like drawn. 1564567;1478665499;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Notably cook county and east st louis (but not rest of St Clair county) summon dead to polls 1564568;1478665596;mircea_popescu;johnson keeps wisconsin seat. 1564569;1478665615;mircea_popescu;that's it, she's losing wisconsin, and with that the election. 1564570;1478665626;BingoBoingo;Blunt keeps missouri provided North county ballots are counted sanely at this point. 1564571;1478665690;BingoBoingo;Greitens also has solid lead in Missouri. 1564572;1478665696;BingoBoingo;for Governor 1564573;1478665707;mircea_popescu;aha. 1564574;1478665727;mircea_popescu;all the "civil servants" got is a defeat of some dubious meathead sheriff in az. which... mkay. 1564575;1478665796;mircea_popescu;anyway, turnout larger than for obama 1 or 2. 1564576;1478665833;BingoBoingo;yes. Other new, Iowa oscillating colors towards trump from solid early clitler lead 1564577;1478665850;mircea_popescu;but i thought you know, texas was up for grabs!11 1564578;1478665870;mircea_popescu;could the mainstream jewdia been wrong ?!?! 1564579;1478665879;ben_vulpes;there was a trump pinata at the bar where i just had a birthday dinner 1564580;1478665891;mircea_popescu;was the hairpiece detachable ? 1564581;1478665902;ben_vulpes;i don't think so, looked like integral paperwork 1564582;1478665907;mircea_popescu;scam trump pinata. 1564583;1478665911;mircea_popescu;accept no surogates! 1564584;1478665912;ben_vulpes;obvs! 1564585;1478665916;ben_vulpes;i wonder if it'll still be hanging tomorrow 1564586;1478666066;BingoBoingo;And reliably Missouri voted down new cigarette taxes 1564587;1478666079;mircea_popescu;heh 1564588;1478666140;trinque;the google thing is showing Washington called for hillary even though 39% reporting, and trump ahead? 1564589;1478666153;*;asciilifeform also noticed this 1564590;1478666170;mircea_popescu;diebold tech! 1564591;1478666210;trinque;they must've heard me, now same 39% reporting but hillary up, lol! 1564592;1478666213;asciilifeform;and they can still flip, e.g., ohio. 1564593;1478666270;trinque;ohio 89% in with him up by about half mil. 1564594;1478666276;BingoBoingo;Koster just conceded to Eric Grietens for Missouri governor prior to media "calling" result 1564595;1478666277;trinque;surely not *that* many people live in that shithole 1564596;1478666335;mircea_popescu;she gonna manage to lose wa on top of everything else ? 1564597;1478666349;BingoBoingo;less than 70,000 apart in pennsylvania 1564598;1478666352;mircea_popescu;ineptitude on this level is reminiscent of dan quayle. 1564599;1478666365;mircea_popescu;ah she just got wa it seems. 1564600;1478666388;asciilifeform;afaik those lands were always solid clitler country. 1564601;1478666389;mircea_popescu;he gets ga 1564602;1478666393;mircea_popescu;yup. 1564603;1478666423;mircea_popescu;ahahaha faso beats teachout 1564604;1478666424;mircea_popescu;o god. 1564605;1478666430;mircea_popescu;there won't be anyone from the progre side in congress. 1564606;1478666502;mircea_popescu;Shemin said he had voted Democrat every election until this one. “I believed the promises of the Democratic party and I realized I’ve been let down every time especially by Obama,” he said. 1564607;1478666520;mircea_popescu;!!key mrbitcoin 1564608;1478666523;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/79u2w/?raw=true 1564609;1478666685;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo kasich got his butt handed to him huh. 1564610;1478666719;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: here's a thought re earlier thread, i wonder if joestack-airplane would easily pay for itself in that you could live in an unpopulated shithole and commute in it... 1564611;1478666741;mircea_popescu;you ever flown the small shits ? cessna etc ? 1564612;1478666751;asciilifeform;i have not flown even a kite in recent years. 1564613;1478666754;asciilifeform;and plane - not once. 1564614;1478666772;mircea_popescu;yeah well. they're uncomfortable. don't think car - it's worse than shitty japanese bike from the 80s 1564615;1478666781;asciilifeform;i did sit down in one not long ago 1564616;1478666784;asciilifeform;~same as my car. 1564617;1478666798;mircea_popescu;and in places with harsh weather (such as, everywhere civilised men live, east coast, etc) you can't fly them 2 days a week 1564618;1478666816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the dynamics are the problem. very much like being in a walnut shell 1564619;1478666837;asciilifeform;eh what does grown man care re comfort of his arse. 1564620;1478666852;asciilifeform;i'd sit on a bed of nails for halved rent. 1564621;1478666867;mircea_popescu;fly each day to commute ? get over it. plenty of high profile 60s crashes of derpy "busionessmen" who thought this is a fine idea. it isn't. you get tired then you get dead. 1564622;1478666878;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo scott took sander's vermond too lmao. 1564623;1478666896;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also i dunno that the fella goes in ~each day~ 1564624;1478666905;asciilifeform;if he does - yes, won't possibly work. 1564625;1478666956;mircea_popescu;the point being that it's not as reliable as car, not even close. if you gotta show up in the morning unexpectedly (meaning, you partied with two hos till 3 am) and then the weather's bad, your survival rate dropped to like 60%. 1564626;1478666959;mircea_popescu;in a car it's never under 99% 1564627;1478667000;asciilifeform;i was actually considering the flying death-capsule for my own arse. because my physical presence in the swamp is called for maybe once or twice in a month, and with many days of warning. 1564628;1478667012;mircea_popescu;liek that may work. if the weather cooperates. 1564629;1478667023;mircea_popescu;but only if. you can't fly those if it's icing for instance. period. 1564630;1478667032;asciilifeform;well yes, it becomes brick. 1564631;1478667106;asciilifeform;if i knew how to fly airplanes, i would easily be in empty field in some kansas even now. 1564632;1478667115;mircea_popescu;it's not that hard to learn, really. 1564633;1478667130;asciilifeform;lighting benjies with previously-lit benjies. 1564634;1478667134;*;trinque has a family member flying the big ones, has heard all kinds of stories 1564635;1478667138;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo kasich got his butt handed to him huh. << Kasich might have swept against Clitler it appears 1564636;1478667146;mircea_popescu;ahhh the crying women at hillary place. delishius tears! 1564637;1478667166;trinque;I don't think I'd ever fly something small that didn't have one of those ballistic parachute things 1564638;1478667170;*;mircea_popescu adds to his collection of http://trilema.com/2011/adolescente-plingind/ 1564639;1478667176;asciilifeform;trinque: add 200+k to price then! 1564640;1478667177;trinque;and even then, you get hung up in a tree, then fall to death 1564641;1478667179;mircea_popescu;trinque those can also kill you. 1564642;1478667182;asciilifeform;no parachute in ww2 plane. 1564643;1478667188;asciilifeform;(what you get for 10-20k usd) 1564644;1478667203;mircea_popescu;and yes, he has a point, expensive, complex, might as well get a 1mn plane if you will bother. 1564645;1478667214;asciilifeform;also parachute won't do shit on takeoff/landing 1564646;1478667218;asciilifeform;which is where most folks burn up 1564647;1478667232;asciilifeform;it isn't a mig ejector seat. 1564648;1478667305;BingoBoingo;Delicious tears! https://archive.is/6wQ0d 1564649;1478667347;asciilifeform;holy FUCK 1564650;1478667350;asciilifeform;she has pgp key?! 1564651;1478667364;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/spna0 << 1564652;1478667381;asciilifeform;can negrate ?!1 1564653;1478667381;mircea_popescu;so ? 1564654;1478667382;trinque;older gentleman in my family owns an old beechcraft 18. thing's engines *roar*; we took it to nantucket coupla years back. 1564655;1478667388;mircea_popescu;nicely formatted, too. 1564656;1478667402;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you often meet roach with pgp key?! 1564657;1478667419;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: At one point Gawker made everyone get one. At one point Gizmodo chick got a hold of cazalla and myself about GAW scam 1564658;1478667421;asciilifeform;trinque: >1 engine? 1564659;1478667427;trinque;twin prop 1564660;1478667444;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/Svhv7#selection-3733.71-3733.213 << for the lulzjar. "If Trump loses, we must ensure that his name and the presidential campaign he ran echo through American history as a dark and distressing tale" 1564661;1478667453;trinque;I think his seated 8 or so. 1564662;1478667456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform often enough, yes. they're not so hard to make. 1564663;1478667468;asciilifeform;trinque: neato, what do those go for ? 1564664;1478667471;mircea_popescu;trinque huge diff between that and the single seater he's contemplating 1564665;1478667527;trinque;a quick google turns one up for 129k 1564666;1478667658;mircea_popescu;aaand utah went. 1564667;1478667679;ben_vulpes;now see for cargo plane to remotish location... 1564668;1478667703;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/xwgAk lol 1564669;1478667766;BingoBoingo;lol, cuban american in Florida won it for Trump. Pls tell me more about "hispanics" as a monolith 1564670;1478667789;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the funny part being that whoever anna merlan is still clings to fantasies. what 269-269 roflmao 1564671;1478667807;trinque;dear god there's a Mike Crapo 1564672;1478667812;BingoBoingo;I don't even know if the remaining states can add up to that 1564673;1478667825;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to answer your q : the girls over at jezbel etc very jealously watch the cool boys in town ; and at some point during the year got a circular to make keys, so they made keys. 1564674;1478667833;mircea_popescu;trinque in the logs too. 1564675;1478667857;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-30#1560209 << lel! 1564676;1478667857;a111;Logged on 2016-10-30 02:27 mircea_popescu: there is actually a senator mike crapo. 1564677;1478667922;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform to answer your q : the girls over at jezbel etc very jealously watch the cool boys in town ; and at some point during the year got a circular to make keys, so they made keys. << The motive seemed to have been a gawker blog wanted to write about a "Bitcoin scam" and stumbled upon fount of Qntra. SHortly after an edict that to get gawker check must make key came down. THey kept it up only a couple weeks. 1564678;1478667960;mircea_popescu;something liek that. 1564679;1478667986;mircea_popescu;and with visuals, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5e578d7dde4f3e52cbe3aa5ce2cc2255/tumblr_n44snbt3I51sl0njeo1_1280.jpg 1564680;1478668035;mircea_popescu;also abc announces trump took melania backstage for a blowjob. 1564681;1478668043;mircea_popescu;~2 mins ago 1564682;1478668141;BingoBoingo;You know the truly funny thing is Sanders jsut might have been able to stahp the Trumreich from happening. Sorry for your rigged system Donna Brazile. 1564683;1478668152;mircea_popescu;truth. 1564684;1478668200;mircea_popescu;anyway, > 100mn votes counted, what fucking "voter supression". it's a fucking record. 1564685;1478668260;BingoBoingo;The thing about socialistards is that to keep winning that have to run further and further towards Swedenhell as a platform. If they try to "moderate" like Clitler coming from Bahamas they stall like a motor stalls. 1564686;1478668329;BingoBoingo;And Pennsylvania turned Trump finally 1564687;1478668346;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1564688;1478668361;trinque;2020 is going to be sanderswoman vs breitbarpublicans 1564689;1478668402;mircea_popescu;https://s12.postimg.org/ugy7jqwsd/dorks.jpg << in other "why nobody gives a shit about journo-hos" 1564690;1478668435;mircea_popescu;trinque no woman is running for another half dozen or so cycles. 1564691;1478668451;mircea_popescu;and i very much doubt there will be another black man president ever. 1564692;1478668510;*;trinque wonders what the huddled butthurt will choose then 1564693;1478668522;trinque;all the people from the current apparatus are going to prison 1564694;1478668531;mircea_popescu;imagine, to be an affirmative action dork from kenya who has ruined the presidential office for all black people. 1564695;1478668547;mircea_popescu;including black people who aren't lazy imbeciles ; who actually go to school, actually work, actually educate themselves etc. 1564696;1478668550;mircea_popescu;thanks obama. 1564697;1478668610;mircea_popescu;o look, somehow reid kept his seat. bwahahaha. 1564698;1478669315;asciilifeform;nh - reclitlerized ? 1564699;1478669342;mircea_popescu;she got nevada. 1564700;1478669413;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's over, they know it's over, moved on to soppy shit with little girls and whatnot. 1564701;1478669694;asciilifeform;lel nh 15 votes apart?! 1564702;1478669858;mircea_popescu;and pa like 2k lol 1564703;1478669876;mircea_popescu;except major red county hasn't reported. 1564704;1478670178;mircea_popescu;anyway - trump has wi (10) by 4% with 10% left ; and az (11) by another 4% with 25% left. that's 265. he leeads by 1% in my (16), which is very enough. he also leads in penn (20) 2706146-2680667 with ~3% still to count. 1564705;1478670384;BingoBoingo;The only question that matters is how does South Park handle the results of this very member berry election tomorrow night 1564706;1478670414;*;mircea_popescu choked on their retarded "the failure of pc just means we need more better pc", will check again in a few seasons. 1564707;1478670475;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check it out, huff po lays down arms. ahahaha. 1564708;1478670487;asciilifeform;link? 1564709;1478670506;mircea_popescu;http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/11/the-huffington-post-ending-its-editors-note-about-donald-trump-231044 1564710;1478670529;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1564711;1478670537;asciilifeform;they want to avoid the ovens, eh 1564712;1478670554;mircea_popescu;well, at least they want to have somethign to scream about. 1564713;1478670556;mircea_popescu;a rat is a rat. 1564714;1478670559;BingoBoingo;"the failure of pc just means we need more better pc" << Not the creator's stand. The character of PC principal's stand. 1564715;1478670580;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo kyle, voice of creator, eh ? 1564716;1478670610;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Kyle hasn't been that for a while. 1564717;1478670622;mircea_popescu;call me a yokel, i'm sticking to it. 1564718;1478670823;mircea_popescu;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwzEcZTUUAAKqLA.jpg << nothing quite as spacious as the great hall of the loser. 1564719;1478670843;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1564720;1478670861;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 734.24, vol: 8228.84042024 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 719.291, vol: 5967.02594 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 739.0, vol: 17087.59839991 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 745.0, vol: 1903.92145773 | Volume-weighted last average: 734.620328008 1564721;1478670863;asciilifeform;somebody oughta pass out wagner, cyanide, there. 1564722;1478670868;mircea_popescu;word. 1564723;1478670877;mircea_popescu;it's such a perfect setting for wagner, that ugly glass thing 1564724;1478670881;asciilifeform;aha! 1564725;1478670919;mircea_popescu;anyway, im going to... sleep, let's call it that. 1564726;1478670923;mircea_popescu;make pantsuits great again! 1564727;1478670925;*;asciilifeform also. 1564728;1478671180;ben_vulpes; !~ticker --market all 1564729;1478671186;ben_vulpes;!~ticker --market all 1564730;1478671192;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 735.66, vol: 8296.45120814 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 720.0, vol: 5969.52891 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 738.99, vol: 17184.15710862 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 733.643853, vol: 1440174.41530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 741.624, vol: 1905.26505518 | Volume-weighted last average: 733.672595422 1564731;1478671435;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1564732;1478671440;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4968.27, vol: 1449488.83570000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4968.27 1564733;1478671851;pete_dushenski;lel. on rt coverage, fillie covering CRAZY PANIC in california mentioned today's bitcoin price surge ~before~ gold price surge. a good day for the republic, all the way around! 1564734;1478671938;mod6;o7 1564735;1478672127;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac1OMkYVL6Y << juicy live feed from clitler hq 1564736;1478672141;pete_dushenski;"people can't quite make sense of what happened" 1564737;1478672152;pete_dushenski;and "people are leaving" !!1 1564738;1478672593;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564636 << there's gotta be enough dumb mediajews there that ~someone's~ handing out passover parsley. nothing goes with delishus butt-tears like bitter herbs. 1564739;1478672593;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 04:52 mircea_popescu: ahhh the crying women at hillary place. delishius tears! 1564740;1478672856;pete_dushenski;"if trump wins, it's a landslide that NOONE PREDICTED" ~rt talking head 1564741;1478673193;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/Ri54e << uk betting website 'paddypower' to pay out double after paying out pro-clinton bettors THREE WEEKS EARLY BECAUSE HOW NOT. omfg this is like the lulz christmas. 1564742;1478673620;pete_dushenski;"canada immigration website crashes due to americans trying to flee trump" 1564743;1478673638;pete_dushenski;pa locked down for trump. 1564744;1478674001;pete_dushenski;264-215 1564745;1478674507;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep 1564746;1478674580;pete_dushenski;now's the time to drop by clitler hq and ask any straggling, teary-eyed cuties "hey girl, what's wrong ?". rfn. 1564747;1478675154;pete_dushenski;bwahahhaha, "clinton will not talk tonight"... just... podesta! 1564748;1478675207;pete_dushenski;clinton is "tired" and is therefore leaving her javitz center supporters absofuckinglutely stranded. 1564749;1478675311;pete_dushenski;after all the brouhaha that "trump won't accept loss and is a very bad person mkay" and now she's too much of a fucking coward to talk to a crowd of fellow losers ? hypoclit! 1564750;1478675361;pete_dushenski;maine called for clitler. just 3 electoral votes, trump gets 1 from the state. 1564751;1478675493;trinque;the guy's 4 electoral votes away from 270, senate's already under control of whichever party holds white house (and election's not over), house is solidly red 1564752;1478675553;trinque;and the supreme court is his to make what, at least one, probably several appointments over time 1564753;1478675586;trinque;USG belongs to the hairdo. I'm still curious if the hairdo belongs to CIA/NSA. 1564754;1478675618;trinque;time will tell. 1564755;1478676991;pete_dushenski;276-218. 1564756;1478676997;pete_dushenski;it's over. 1564757;1478677006;trinque;aha, and senate went to 51 1564758;1478677019;pete_dushenski;donald trump is the 45th president of these united states of amerika. 1564759;1478677101;trinque;lesser socialist party of soi disant republic gives one last spasm of "no srsly we can 90s again" 1564760;1478677105;trinque;it's gonna be weird. 1564761;1478677321;trinque;meanwhile the currency of the world's only sovereign strengthens against US paperthinger. 1564762;1478677333;trinque;!~ticker 1564763;1478677334;jhvh1;trinque: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 738.92, Best ask: 739.55, Bid-ask spread: 0.63000, Last trade: 739.09, 24 hour volume: 18250.57481051, 24 hour low: 703.0, 24 hour high: 741.1, 24 hour vwap: None 1564764;1478677521;pete_dushenski;what a second birthday, eh mod6 ? 1564765;1478677567;pete_dushenski;i think pence is about to cry. 1564766;1478677640;ben_vulpes;ahaha this is going to be so much FUN 1564767;1478677669;trinque;portland is gonna implode from butthurt, man 1564768;1478677684;ben_vulpes;oh god america is going to be so great 1564769;1478677695;ben_vulpes;i'm going to ride a butthurt contact high for months 1564770;1478677703;ben_vulpes;TA RUMP TA RUMP 1564771;1478677750;pete_dushenski;now the real questions begin : will trump use own jet in lieu of air bahamas ? 1564772;1478677807;pete_dushenski;man trump only rolls with dimes eh 1564773;1478677944;trinque;oh man 1564774;1478677955;trinque;anybody else loving the butthurt cam in the top right of trump's live feed? 1564775;1478681861;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/09/trumpreich-commenceth-the-final-moments-of-a-close-us-presidential-election-and-the-tasting-of-sweet-sweet-progressive-butt-tears/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Trumpreich commenceth : The final moments of a “close” US Presidential Election and the tasting of sweet, sweet progressive butt-tears. 1564776;1478682990;Framedragger;"statistics" "polls" LOL 1564777;1478695758;mircea_popescu;sooo... did clinton win after all ? 1564778;1478695783;mircea_popescu;awww, and i had such hopes for her! 1564779;1478695876;shinohai;my socialist dreamz are shattered. 1564780;1478695969;mircea_popescu;aww 1564781;1478696261;Framedragger;butbutbut the polllls 1564782;1478696268;Framedragger;my precious polls 1564783;1478696335;asciilifeform;merry tristmas folx 1564784;1478696350;shinohai;http://archive.is/nm2PY rogerver tears 1564785;1478696370;shinohai;maybe good for a roundup xtended (tm) 1564786;1478696371;Framedragger;local news http://i.imgur.com/9ecC6Yg.png 1564787;1478696927;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-power-of-the-press-in-english-this-time/#selection-387.0-387.120 << check me out, i had translated that article once before then utterly forgot about it. 1564788;1478696939;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so whatta ya got to say ? 1564789;1478697569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i gotta say ! 1564790;1478697581;asciilifeform;now d00d also has to stay unkennedied 1564791;1478697705;mircea_popescu;heh 1564792;1478697733;mircea_popescu;but i must say that was one of the easier articles to write. 1564793;1478697908;mircea_popescu;o look, they're in shock and trying to pretend a drunk guy burning a bottle of moonshine is "protests" 1564794;1478697919;mircea_popescu;you could be in romania cca 2006 and not skip a beat. 1564795;1478698010;*;asciilifeform will buy ticket to the coronation 1564796;1478698096;mircea_popescu;check out Carl-Henrik Heldin speaking for the whole crowd of pseudoscientific impostors http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4dtz3/?raw=true 1564797;1478698223;asciilifeform;rational!!1111 reason!11111111 1564798;1478698262;mircea_popescu;heh. 1564799;1478698283;mircea_popescu;btw : 117mn turnout! humongo. winner with most legitimacy since fucking monroe or some shit. 1564800;1478698298;mircea_popescu;and to add insult to injury : you are aware she won the popular vote yes alf ? 1564801;1478698331;asciilifeform;lolwut 1564802;1478698336;mircea_popescu;by 30k 1564803;1478698344;asciilifeform;hilarity 1564804;1478698351;mircea_popescu;ahahaha he won michigan too ? lol. "BLUE WALL!!!" 1564805;1478698353;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1564806;1478698364;asciilifeform;(i fell asleep before this) 1564807;1478698373;mircea_popescu;and nh. 1564808;1478698406;mircea_popescu;and the gop got more senate and lost a dozen in the house. complete fucking rout. 1564809;1478698905;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ << Trilema - To be clear : Hillary Clinton lost the presidential election on June 16th, 2016. 1564810;1478699085;PeterL;my proggy sister-in-law: "I guess we used up all the magic on having the Cubs win" 1564811;1478699277;mircea_popescu;lol 1564812;1478699631;shinohai;Isn't this clear evidence of Michelle Bahamas having unlawful possession of classified materials? https://twitter.com/Cam_Major/status/796024298120953860 1564813;1478700696;mircea_popescu;why ? womenz not allowed in white house ? 1564814;1478701162;BingoBoingo; now d00d also has to stay unkennedied << Kennedied Trump just means PResident Pence now. 1564815;1478701407;BingoBoingo;Oh, look which establishment is in trouble now https://archive.is/NGoXN 1564816;1478701472;Framedragger;would have been nice to short peso. 1564817;1478701729;shinohai;http://imgur.com/a/q95Xd 1564818;1478701795;*;phf just woken up 1564819;1478701797;phf;what'd i miss 1564820;1478701910;shinohai;гла́сность! 1564821;1478701985;*;phf carefully reattaches totenkopf to his hat 1564822;1478702179;shinohai;Colombian sentiment this morning is a river of butthurt tears, which may cause swelling and overflow the Amazon this season. 1564823;1478702304;*;shinohai phf has given me an idea with totenkopf 1564824;1478702588;*;asciilifeform sings, 'Wir sind des Geyers schwarze Haufen ...' 1564825;1478702869;asciilifeform;http://www.yescalifornia.org << lel, 'calexit' 1564826;1478702873;asciilifeform;couldn't happen soon enough. 1564827;1478702975;BingoBoingo;lol, please seceed california. Let Aztalan conquer newly independent you. 1564828;1478703076;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/hillary-rodham-clinton-loses-election/ << Qntra - Hillary Rodham-Clinton Loses Election 1564829;1478703090;asciilifeform;'Demonstrations were also formed at the University of California, Irvine, where students were reportedly seen waving Mexican flags, ABC 7 added.' 1564830;1478703099;asciilifeform;no need to conquer, they already surrender 1564831;1478703123;asciilifeform;speaking of which, when and where is the surrender to moscow, i gotta get jacket drycleaned beforehand. 1564832;1478703374;BingoBoingo;"Despite many of Trump's sexist comments, Clinton only received 51% the college-educated White Women" 1564833;1478703379;PeterL;BingoBoingo s/which 27 outstanding/with 27 outstanding 1564834;1478703405;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1564835;1478703419;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Prolly January but best to dryclean now 1564836;1478703443;PeterL;am I the only one who thinks it is insulting women to expect them to vote hillary just because she is a woman? 1564837;1478703551;PeterL;progs want people to see a person rather than a woman, then expect them all to vote a certain way because they are women, my mind boggles at their hypocrisy 1564838;1478703598;BingoBoingo;It's called Identity Politics. 1564839;1478703785;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1564840;1478703805;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 720.0, vol: 9851.61170611 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 715.616, vol: 5951.30246 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 723.8, vol: 15727.34868688 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 726.748725, vol: 1921161.50330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 724.989, vol: 2407.30736521 | Volume-weighted last average: 726.654943636 1564841;1478705350;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bgy7n/?raw=true 1564842;1478705350;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1564843;1478705380;mod6;mornin' 1564844;1478705863;mod6;lol, these people here are despondent 1564845;1478705868;mod6;hilarious 1564846;1478705899;mod6;what's wrong? you usually bounce so high on your bouncy-ball chairs?! 1564847;1478706044;shinohai;heya mod6 bout to do thos vpatch test today :) 1564848;1478706184;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Not quite the right thing for this Right time yet. 1564849;1478706197;shinohai;k 1564850;1478706274;mod6;shinohai: cool! thx. 1564851;1478707531;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/KJpLN >> 'Will Trump’s Rule of Law Be Our Rule of Law? The fate of the entire legal apparatus of government is in the balance.' << ooohnoez!111111 1564852;1478709753;PeterL;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3918838/Dejected-Clinton-supporters-party-goes-flat-result-result-turns-against-cries-lock-louder-Trump-party.html << the reaction of the Clinton supporters is exactly the same as the UMich fans last year when MSU pulled out that freak blocked-punt-touchdown last second come from behind win at hand-egg last year 1564853;1478709816;mats;what a glorious day 1564854;1478709833;mats;i bought trump insurance and i will soon see a payout 1564855;1478709899;mats;now i am redeemed after failed alphago and eth bets 1564856;1478710160;trinque;concession speech nao. slick willie's about to cry. 1564857;1478710178;mats;http://peremogi.livejournal.com/23908178.html 1564858;1478710199;mats;http://s45.radikal.ru/i109/1610/ca/433154fff9fb.jpg << is that a fucking raspberry pi 1564859;1478710234;asciilifeform;lul 1564860;1478710243;asciilifeform;wonder, did this thing ever test-fire 1564861;1478710253;mats;ukrainians kidnapped a kid to build weapons 1564862;1478710291;mats;or a first year american computer engineering student 1564863;1478710313;asciilifeform;or -- 'pi' drives blinkenlights for idiot show as well as any other cheapo board. 1564864;1478710328;asciilifeform;(who ever heard of mega-deathray WITHOUT BLINKENLIGHTS) 1564865;1478710341;mats;thats probably it 1564866;1478710417;asciilifeform;and why drill 1,001 holes in the plexiglass ? so that the little mice inside can breathe ? 1564867;1478710603;asciilifeform;d00d must list on shitstarter immediately! 1564868;1478710610;mats;somebody has to fire the thing! 1564869;1478710612;asciilifeform;can become zillionaire. 1564870;1478710620;mats;and guide to destination 1564871;1478711109;phf;now see, mikola, ... 1564872;1478712605;PeterL;Krugman: "For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label." << tmsr values won the election 1564873;1478712842;trinque;eh, that's still groupthink, but... baby steps. 1564874;1478712903;trinque;anybody who thinks he gets a free pass just because he's born into the right race is invited to look at Europe. 1564875;1478712949;trinque;*individual* hierarchy. 1564876;1478713983;PeterL;any people here have thoughts are US and Russia going to be buddies now? 1564877;1478715266;phf;PeterL: http://www.pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF057-Raft_Friends.jpg 1564878;1478715914;trinque;lol 1564879;1478716110;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/nx2F3 << not only lultron, but complete with... blue PA 1564880;1478716588;phf;that twitter is priceless by the way, "punkmisfitxoxx" 1564881;1478716618;phf;"sad wine mom" says "When the top trending hashtags are #HesNotMyPresident #AmericaIsOverParty and #AmeriKKKa , it's obvious this is not what America wants." 1564882;1478716760;PeterL;^ asciilifeform: that map is an artifact of the strange electoral college, go to any big city and you will find a democrat stronghold 1564883;1478716854;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had a 'things come to the city' piece 1564884;1478716914;phf;PeterL: he's saying that PA went red, but it's blue on the map 1564885;1478717799;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Uesuf >> 'While he richly deserves to find his proper station in life as an opinionated taxi driver, this clown is unfortunately likely to be with us for years to come, bringing shame on the profession of quantitative analysis of data. We’ll be watching, Nate.' 1564886;1478719437;PeterL;phf yeah, I saw that, I was just saying that the map would look different if you look at counties instead of states 1564887;1478719486;PeterL;why do you have to throw out the whole state of Michigan because a bunch of country bumpkins outnumbered us morally superior city folks? 1564888;1478719502;asciilifeform;PeterL: not mega-seekrit, circus displayed geo map, it is almost wholly red 1564889;1478719596;PeterL;the whole election process is a ritual of collectivism, why does this guy think he gets to opt out just because his team didn't win? 1564890;1478720524;Framedragger;via pankkake, https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/796359749352701952 1564891;1478720869;trinque;oh, that's delicious. 1564892;1478721080;*;pete_dushenski hands crywhale a few sprigs of parsley 1564893;1478723346;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564825 << oh dude, that'd be so fucken sweet. california by itself. where do i vote ? 1564894;1478723346;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 14:47 asciilifeform: http://www.yescalifornia.org << lel, 'calexit' 1564895;1478723445;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/1fqR8 << 'And it’s our duty and our responsibility as entrepreneurs, as citizens of the f—— world, to make sure that s— does not happen. ' 1564896;1478723467;mircea_popescu;somebody somewhere actually thinks california has an economy 1564897;1478723469;asciilifeform;^ sv politruk d00d loses his shit 1564898;1478723480;mircea_popescu;this is exactly like random esl female thinking she has a "household" 1564899;1478723480;asciilifeform;it has applonomy. 1564900;1478723505;mircea_popescu;"more economically powerful than france" 1564901;1478723513;mircea_popescu;afgain with this apple could buy russia nonsense. why are they so stupid ? 1564902;1478723517;asciilifeform;in usa they keep 2 printing presses around, for redundancy, 1 in east (lockheed, raytheon, etc), 1 in west (crapple et al) 1564903;1478723537;mircea_popescu;ajhahahaha wait, california "subsidizing" states ? 1564904;1478723539;mircea_popescu;holy shit. 1564905;1478723552;asciilifeform;aha, didjaknow. 1564906;1478723559;mircea_popescu;mindboggling. 1564907;1478723559;asciilifeform;'we make the money, shuddup peon' 1564908;1478723572;mircea_popescu;as the old adage goes, "if you're gonna lie, lie outrageously, small lies never fare well" 1564909;1478723585;asciilifeform;'tis also where ~all of the mega-zimbabwillionaires live. 1564910;1478723602;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1564911;1478723620;mircea_popescu;i guess it was somewhat fashionable in the 90s 1564912;1478723626;asciilifeform;(they, supposedly, at least maintain palaces there. i have nfi where they physically hang most of the time.) 1564913;1478723650;mircea_popescu;it is where most of the products of mass entertainment live, yes 1564914;1478723658;mircea_popescu;i suppose according to them they're "new york elite" and whatnot. 1564915;1478723667;trinque;palaces mortgaged/rented, and their billions are in stock they can't sell 1564916;1478723669;mircea_popescu;but they're as a rule poor. 1564917;1478723690;mircea_popescu;trinque not even that, kim kardashian is worth... what was it, 30mn at the best count ? 1564918;1478723703;mircea_popescu;best ass in the country. what's eg kirsten wiig to hope for ? 1564919;1478723712;asciilifeform;only in that very technical sense wherein someone who can borrow & spend a $zimbabwillion and never have to pay back a cent, is poor. 1564920;1478723731;mircea_popescu;borrow my foot.\ 1564921;1478723739;mircea_popescu;wesley snipes tried this theory. 1564922;1478723783;asciilifeform;is, e.g., branson in debt prison yet? cuban ? 1564923;1478723788;trinque;asciilifeform: warming house by burning it. 1564924;1478723797;asciilifeform;trinque: by burning other folks' houses. 1564925;1478723807;mircea_popescu;branson iirc lived in some island ; and cuban i have nfi, but he's worth ~same as esr. 1564926;1478723830;mircea_popescu;ie, one patreon away from no heat this winter. 1564927;1478723846;asciilifeform;iirc cuban had airplanes etc. esr -- i no longer would bet even has working auto. 1564928;1478723879;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564832 << the sort of shit that's gotta burn. 1564929;1478723879;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 14:56 BingoBoingo: "Despite many of Trump's sexist comments, Clinton only received 51% the college-educated White Women" 1564930;1478723905;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit about the entirely hallucinated "sex issue" ? and women don't mind being grabbed by select gents ? O NOES WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED! 1564931;1478723972;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564836 << well, the niggers are racist. they despise women, black people, everyone. so yes, a nigger DOES expect all women to vote on the basis of such superficial nonsense. 1564932;1478723972;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 14:57 PeterL: am I the only one who thinks it is insulting women to expect them to vote hillary just because she is a woman? 1564933;1478723997;mircea_popescu;!~ticker --market all 1564934;1478724003;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 722.88, vol: 9709.29268990 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 709.42, vol: 5884.81628 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 726.81, vol: 15209.33413486 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 728.551175, vol: 2029807.64580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 724.179, vol: 2556.10206409 | Volume-weighted last average: 728.451665669 1564935;1478724050;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564851 << in a word, no. there;s no more "our". 1564936;1478724050;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 16:05 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/KJpLN >> 'Will Trump’s Rule of Law Be Our Rule of Law? The fate of the entire legal apparatus of government is in the balance.' << ooohnoez!111111 1564937;1478724142;asciilifeform;the 'our' might be on the chopping block, but d00d & co still gotta swing the axe. 1564938;1478724164;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564872 << since when the fuck is blood and soil / assorted nazism "antidemocratic" ? socialism is the fucking essence of modern democracy. 1564939;1478724164;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 17:30 PeterL: Krugman: "For them, it is about blood and soil, about traditional patriarchy and racial hierarchy. And there were many other people who might not share those anti-democratic values, but who nonetheless were willing to vote for anyone bearing the Republican label." << tmsr values won the election 1564940;1478724173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's tru. 1564941;1478724186;asciilifeform;as a boy i was quite impressed with the stories about peter I and his beheadings, his men had to work in shifts to decap all of the derps, and he personally helped, even chopped during parties 1564942;1478724193;asciilifeform;got friends - to also help. 1564943;1478724214;mircea_popescu;that's how you do it. 1564944;1478724219;asciilifeform;barges-with-trapdoors etc. not invented yet 1564945;1478724225;asciilifeform;and prolly he would have spat, unsportsmanlike. 1564946;1478724232;mircea_popescu;quite. 1564947;1478724270;asciilifeform;and if mr. t sells tickets to the chop house, or even to drive bulldozer to bulldoze harvard, yale, mit -- i will buy. 1564948;1478724293;asciilifeform;in fact i can think of very, very few things i would rather do. 1564949;1478724302;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564876 << not likely. but the whole "iraq offensive" is going away, and possibly ru will stand down in syria (nobody really likes the cost of a war past the first few weeks). so in that sense, yes. 1564950;1478724302;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 17:53 PeterL: any people here have thoughts are US and Russia going to be buddies now? 1564951;1478724337;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564879 <<< "she's got a chance!!1" 1564952;1478724337;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 18:28 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/nx2F3 << not only lultron, but complete with... blue PA 1564953;1478724379;mircea_popescu;anyway, lulz at the self-important declarative nonsense from nobody-on-social-media. 1564954;1478724392;mircea_popescu;good for you, now ask me if i would like my groceries double-bagged. 1564955;1478724415;asciilifeform;there is ocean of this nonsense, above is sample preserved here in amber for entomological purposes. 1564956;1478724420;mircea_popescu;aha 1564957;1478724427;mircea_popescu;pretty funnay, i dun dispute 1564958;1478724514;asciilifeform;btw this little lul from last election, https://archive.is/jmlZI , is in need of small update. 1564959;1478724538;asciilifeform;(it was posted in 1,000,001 places, during obummer-II coronation) 1564960;1478724587;mircea_popescu;lol 1564961;1478724587;PeterL;mircea_popescu the Krugman quote I was kinda trying to turn into a joke about Trump being labeled winner here, I dun think it came across right 1564962;1478724635;mircea_popescu;well... he does mean a specific thing, by that "blood and earth" thing, which is a pre-modern notion of the value of money. 1564963;1478724690;asciilifeform;i'm not wholly convinced that anybody cancelled it. if industrial era of complicated machinery runs through, it'll be back to blood, soil, castles. 1564964;1478724706;mircea_popescu;o look at that, clinton sendoff most read trilema article this month. this thing barely happens once a year. 1564965;1478724741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform intrinsic in that proposition is the core of socialism, which is to say that walkers have value by presence alone. i doubt this is ever coming back. maybe in case of major extinction event 1564966;1478724760;mircea_popescu;but "major extinction event" here means, >99% of pop is exterminated in short time, such as a year or a decade. 1564967;1478724765;asciilifeform;i doubt that 'walkers' will, but working hands, feet, cunts, etc 1564968;1478724772;mircea_popescu;this never happened as far as we know. it is certainly far beyond what contagion can provide. 1564969;1478724782;asciilifeform;pull plow. swing sword. 1564970;1478724783;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's what walkers means ; and nope. 1564971;1478724812;asciilifeform;at any rate i personally plan to be very dead during this and hence it 'ain't my department' 1564972;1478724815;mircea_popescu;understand : plow cca celtic times needed 100 plowmen to feed a soldier. there's no conceivable way humanity goes back to keltic time. 1564973;1478724827;mircea_popescu;plow cca 1800, one farmer could support two-five soldiers 1564974;1478724887;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564881 << yeah, because totally "america" is one tiny, culturally irrelevant backwater on that continent, in the sense of you know, what some dorks allegedly from there say on obscure myspace. 1564975;1478724887;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 18:36 phf: "sad wine mom" says "When the top trending hashtags are #HesNotMyPresident #AmericaIsOverParty and #AmeriKKKa , it's obvious this is not what America wants." 1564976;1478724892;mircea_popescu;logic. 1564977;1478724982;*;asciilifeform bbl -- out to look, maybe photograph, derps in washington streets 1564978;1478725001;mircea_popescu;lol 1564979;1478725006;mircea_popescu;get the crying adolescent females. 1564980;1478725121;mircea_popescu;so are there going to be a bunch of retarded "famous people" and other "stars" moving to canada ? 1564981;1478725290;mircea_popescu;"I believe that if President Trump instructs his special prosecutor Chris Christie or Rudy Giuliani to find a way to lock Hillary Clinton up, he would do so, gleefully, and that many millions of people will look on and feel that justice—whatever that means going forward—was done." << well nto those named, but yes, absolutely, and yes, absolutely. 1564982;1478725332;mircea_popescu;one doesn't need to look far ; just going by the daily precedent there's about 5k or so counts clinton can go to jail for, totalling about 1mn years or so. 1564983;1478725343;mircea_popescu;what, she's special because snowflake or something ? 1564984;1478725580;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564885 << his bile is unwarranted. silver the dope, locklin the dope, what the fuck's the difference. 1564985;1478725580;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 18:56 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/Uesuf >> 'While he richly deserves to find his proper station in life as an opinionated taxi driver, this clown is unfortunately likely to be with us for years to come, bringing shame on the profession of quantitative analysis of data. We’ll be watching, Nate.' 1564986;1478725637;mircea_popescu;on the strength of their actually measured record, scored via brier or any other method you choose, lockin === silver, both of them somewhere in the morass of loud, potentially dangerous, practically useless idiots. 1564987;1478725779;mircea_popescu;anyway, this just in : democratic party has ~same level of political clout / practical control as the libertarians traditionally do ; and significantly less cachet than the tea party at its peak. they're going to be content with... municipal politics, for the next 4+ years. 1564988;1478725793;mircea_popescu;#HillarySunkProgress 1564989;1478725832;mircea_popescu;bahamas' ineptitude, and the aparat's incompetence also helped, of course. 1564990;1478726222;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564815 << jim newell fellow actually gets it huh. someone should prolly invitge him over. 1564991;1478726222;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 14:23 BingoBoingo: Oh, look which establishment is in trouble now https://archive.is/NGoXN 1564992;1478726292;mircea_popescu;"The voters of the party got taken for a ride by the people who controlled it, the ones who promised they had everything figured out and sneeringly dismissed anyone who suggested otherwise. They promised that Hillary Clinton had a lock on the Electoral College. These people didn’t know what they were talking about, and too many of us in the media thought they did." and so on. 1564993;1478726455;mircea_popescu;"The ace ground game, the brilliant ad-makers, the top Hollywood talent, and the best analytics operation ever assembled? This was all a joke." 1564994;1478726459;mircea_popescu;aka, usg got nothing. 1564995;1478726518;mircea_popescu;" Think of how wrong the entire national media conversation was—and yes, I contributed my fair share—about how the Republicans were being torn apart as a party." 1564996;1478726521;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564980 << not bloody likely. such empty threats are the same fuel shillary used to fuel her campaign and that which crywhale's now emptily threaten to off themselves. 1564997;1478726521;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 20:58 mircea_popescu: so are there going to be a bunch of retarded "famous people" and other "stars" moving to canada ? 1564998;1478726533;mircea_popescu;heh. 1564999;1478726535;pete_dushenski;it's vapours. 1565000;1478726555;pete_dushenski;crywhales* 1565001;1478726561;mircea_popescu;no really ? i thought "empty eyes what's her face" (check out the indian names lol) got worth and value in and of herself, and you know, she'll just leave and her fans will follow. 1565002;1478726591;mircea_popescu;you are now telling me that nobody gives a shit, that these ITEMS grow like mushrooms past money rain, and that if she leaves sbhe'll be forgotten in 5 minutes under a sea of nirvana-copycats ? 1565003;1478726593;mircea_popescu;NO WAI! 1565004;1478726620;mircea_popescu;you're telling me all the derpy pop starlets aren't bachs and mozarts and liszts of their own self ?! 1565005;1478726646;mircea_popescu;you're telling me they're practically the establishment cocksucker, not worth a name much like the spittoon by the corner of the bar ain't worth a name ?! 1565006;1478726647;pete_dushenski;canada has a strong moat of homegrown talent to further dissuade hollyrubes from entering, eg. celine dion, drake, bieber 1565007;1478726649;mircea_popescu;unthinkable, this. 1565008;1478726720;pete_dushenski;on the movie side, we've got jim carey, ryan gosling, and mike myers 1565009;1478726744;pete_dushenski;o shit and donald sutherland is canadian. til. 1565010;1478726856;mircea_popescu;anyway, since rihanna or j-lo or whatever her name is will do pantsuits for parties, is she also willing to entertain in a ronald mcdonald costume ? 1565011;1478726859;mircea_popescu;trump may be hiring. 1565012;1478726896;pete_dushenski;on the other side of the camera, the moat is made up of egoyan, cronenberg, hiller 1565013;1478726948;pete_dushenski;wait egoyan just grew up here, born to armenians in egypt. 1565014;1478726977;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, word around the campfire is that the tman is not so very impressed with the whole "carbon" gargle, and consequently it's likely going away. which is what drives the "scientists" in the nobel camp - they're at risk of losing about 1/3 of all public treasury leeching currently availabe ; talk of a recession in the snake oil biz. 1565015;1478726990;pete_dushenski;iirc j-lo did a few private gigs for gaddafi. or was that mariah carey. 1565016;1478727005;mircea_popescu;was it ? 1565017;1478727036;pete_dushenski;!~google mariah carey gaddafi 1565018;1478727037;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: Mariah Carey 'embarrassed' over Gaddafi concert | Music | The ...: ; Mariah Carey celebrates Christmas with another dictator | Music ...: ; Beyoncé, Mariah Carey and Usher Performed at Qaddafi Family ...: (1 more message) 1565019;1478727042;mircea_popescu;anyway - tesla is likely bankrupt by 2020. 1565020;1478727082;pete_dushenski;^ one of my first 'market reaction'-related thoughts this morning as well 1565021;1478727106;pete_dushenski;looks like tsla shed 2.5% today. 1565022;1478727115;mircea_popescu;if anyone is looking to sell long term puts on the thing, i'm buying, let me know. 1565023;1478727167;pete_dushenski;though all major indeces up >1% overall on the day. quite contrary to all the 'futures' bullshit msm was spewing last night. down '800 points' my left foot. 1565024;1478727358;pete_dushenski;gotta love how vix got crushed today too. down 23% compared to +50% after brexit. markets not so surprised by trumpreich after all. 1565025;1478727394;pete_dushenski;the banks and defense contractors were the largest beneficiaries. most +5-7% 1565026;1478727463;mircea_popescu;hey, banks etc would actually benefit from a delousing. 1565027;1478727471;mircea_popescu;lotta suckers on them since 1990s. 1565028;1478727629;mircea_popescu;anyway, in other tales from the mortuary, who takes over the remnants of the "cathedral" aka democratic "establishment" ? pelosi ? 1565029;1478727639;mircea_popescu;i'm rooting for pelosi, would be the lulz of all time. 1565030;1478727672;mircea_popescu;she;s only 66 so uncharacteristically young, could even run in 2020. 1565031;1478727684;mircea_popescu;ambitious enough, stupid enough, what else is there. 1565032;1478727807;mircea_popescu;oh, also iirc richest woman in congress, worth ~80k btc. 1565033;1478727833;pete_dushenski;in other ambitions, just reviewing top search keyphrases for contravex and 'why is zcash crashing' and 'vitalik buterin autistic' are topping the list 1565034;1478727840;mircea_popescu;lol. 1565035;1478728031;mircea_popescu;dude in-system is a fascinating thing. so the guy from above, who does in point of fact understand the situation in the field pretty well, proceeds to reason on the basis of the facts. what's he come up with ? 1565036;1478728049;mircea_popescu;"Whoever takes over what’s left of the Democratic Party is going to have to find a way to appeal to a broader cross section of the country. It may still be true that in the long term, Republicans can’t win with their demographics, but we found out Tuesday that the long term is still pretty far away. Democrats have to win more white voters. They have to do so in a way that doesn’t erode the anti-racist or anti-sexist pla 1565037;1478728049;mircea_popescu;nks of the modern party, which are non-negotiable. If only there were a model for this." 1565038;1478728058;mircea_popescu;dude... EVERYTHING in there is fucking wrong. 1565039;1478728079;mircea_popescu;first and foremost, that the notion white men are going to be washed away into irrelevancy by a flood of brown cunt is nonsense ofthe first degree. 1565040;1478728117;mircea_popescu;the whole fucking point is that people do NOT want for "republicans to can't win with their demo". that's the one fucking point. but he misses it. 1565041;1478728130;mircea_popescu;and then... sexism ? really, that is a thing ? a plank-thing ? racism, that's another thing ? 1565042;1478728139;mircea_popescu;these planks are rotten, holy shit, how can anyone miss this ? 1565043;1478728163;mircea_popescu;forget sexism, it's a non issue. nobody cares, it doesn't matter, it's about as important or relevant as ether 1565044;1478728167;mircea_popescu;racism, ditto. 1565045;1478728174;mircea_popescu;move on to things someone gives a shit about already. 1565046;1478728255;mircea_popescu;"not waking up in the middle of the night to eat six buckets of icecream (aka "Sexism") and never lifting butt of couch (aka, "racism") are... "non-negotiable". if there only was a model to lose weight! hurrr" 1565047;1478728346;mircea_popescu;the brightest of the bright can't see past blindfolds if they were the ones who put the blindfolds on in the first place. so i'm guessing this is the end of bipartisan system, democrats go to hell in a handbasket, which drives gop to split into pro-trump and anti-trump sides, which makes us a 4-way system with the greens or whatever others being the 4/5th. 1565048;1478728374;mircea_popescu;will be interesting to watch us "experts" manage electoral coallitions etc. 1565049;1478728390;mircea_popescu;but then again, this is an unavoidable stop on the maturation trail. like growing tits. 1565050;1478728822;mircea_popescu;ahahaha trump compares rnc chairman to famous triple crown winner (ie, a horse) in victory speech. 1565051;1478728828;mircea_popescu;classy. 1565052;1478728914;mircea_popescu;TRUMP: Thank you very much. And I can only say that while the campaign is over, our work on this movement is now really just beginning. <<< and threeeere it is. new party. 1565053;1478731115;shinohai;http://archive.is/TXwCO 1565054;1478731125;shinohai;only $200! 1565055;1478731251;mircea_popescu;i dont' get it, what's this, "advertisement" on reddit for reddit run as a sort of kickstarter ? 1565056;1478731265;mircea_popescu;"pay us to pay reddit to show you the reddit link you paid us at" ? 1565057;1478731693;mircea_popescu;“I am betting that tomorrow you will reject fear and you’ll choose hope,” Barack Obama said. “I’m betting that the wisdom and decency and generosity of the American people will once again win the day. And that is a bet that I have never, ever lost.” << bwahahahaha! 1565058;1478731712;mircea_popescu;fucking busker. 1565059;1478731717;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least he admits it / has no qualms with it. 1565060;1478731845;mircea_popescu;“Would anyone who isn’t like you have a place in your America, Donald Trump?” Khan asked. “Well, thankfully Mr Trump, this isn’t your America.” << this khan being the despicable shithead who "rebuked" donald trump so that the progre press could pretend like it's outraged that some shithead who spoke out of line got told off. 1565061;1478732706;asciilifeform;lel i am theeeeere 1565062;1478732713;asciilifeform;in the crowd 1565063;1478732720;mircea_popescu;lol ? 1565064;1478732731;mircea_popescu;is md throwing a revolution party / occupy hillstreet ? 1565065;1478732731;asciilifeform;filmed 20m of the... it 1565066;1478732737;asciilifeform;whuch is more than enough for anyone 1565067;1478732742;asciilifeform;aaaha 1565068;1478732745;asciilifeform;brb. 1565069;1478732746;mircea_popescu;any bare tits ? 1565070;1478733315;mircea_popescu;oh btw : looks like le pen will take france, too. 1565071;1478733333;mircea_popescu;i suppose nigel farage gets crowned as next king in uk and all is well on teh western front lmao 1565072;1478733428;*;mircea_popescu remembers the days when obama told da to pick up some random hooker turning tricks in hotel, claim she was a maid, have her tell that strauss-kahn assaulted her, then lie about the whole thing so that france would end up with a president the us likes (which, of course, like every other bahamas scandal, backfired miserably and cost the us taxpayer a helluva lot more than the nigger's "education" cost them) 1565073;1478733906;pete_dushenski;http://www.cnn.com/election/results/states/michigan#president << priceless squirming from the leftards that couldn't possibly imagine defeat in their union stronghold. these maps don't archive but nor are they changing. yet still no 'official' call on mi or nh. 1565074;1478733949;mircea_popescu;the brits are in a pretty great bind too lol. 1565075;1478734043;mircea_popescu;but perhaps the choicest lolz come from paul ryan - who's now explaining how much the gop owes trump and how grateful they are are - the same man who "reacted" to civil servant manufactured "scandal" by cancelling all his appearances with trump and isntructing the party to not support the upticket. 1565076;1478734047;mircea_popescu;politics eh. 1565077;1478734202;pete_dushenski;ryan : the new kerry. so much flip-flop you can make a sandal out of his leather. 1565078;1478734218;mircea_popescu;well, he's young and other than taking cock he has no marketable skills. 1565079;1478734220;mircea_popescu;so what's he to do. 1565080;1478734234;mircea_popescu;he's congratulated everyone in sight, all the way to the wisconsin police chief. 1565081;1478734239;pete_dushenski;lel 1565082;1478734271;pete_dushenski;i guess there's that or joining the new trumpreich partei 1565083;1478734274;mircea_popescu;i don't think he gets to keep the whip tho. 1565084;1478734290;mircea_popescu;but my dear pete - THAT's what taking the cock means. 1565085;1478734430;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564569 <<=>> "Last night, as returns were coming in, it was when the Speaker;s home state was called that the Clinton side began to be sure that the night for them would end in defeat." 1565086;1478734430;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 04:26 mircea_popescu: that's it, she's losing wisconsin, and with that the election. 1565087;1478734440;mircea_popescu;check it out, we agreed on so many things! 1565088;1478734469;*;pete_dushenski dutifully takes notes for the day when he too will seek public office. after suffering brain damage in a high-speed car crash, ofc. 1565089;1478734493;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i dunno how it goes in canada, but in the us you must be at least 145 yo 1565090;1478734513;pete_dushenski;bwahaha 1565091;1478734550;pete_dushenski;mayor in edm was ~my age when first took office. 1565092;1478734566;pete_dushenski;pm trudeau is about mp's age iirc 1565093;1478734568;trinque;gotta have at least two vids of you plowing a toddler, too. 1565094;1478734574;mircea_popescu;lmao 1565095;1478734580;pete_dushenski;blech 1565096;1478734798;mircea_popescu;https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/11/10/us/10shock-2/10shock-2-master675.jpg << how is this not a cult ? 1565097;1478734803;mircea_popescu;seriously now. what the fuck is it ? 1565098;1478734903;mircea_popescu;"Asked how they would feel about a Trump presidency, more than a third of Americans said they would be frightened, exit polls found. Among those who voted for Hillary Clinton, the feeling was almost unanimous and reflected a deep divide: 92 percent said Mr. Trump scared them." 1565099;1478734939;mircea_popescu;other than the lulz implicit - let's do some math here. so - hillary won, as the progretards don't fail to mention, the popular vote. hence... 92% of 50.5% = 1/3 of 100% ? 1565100;1478734943;mircea_popescu;where did some of the scared people go! 1565101;1478735004;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least it's only the niggers & leeches who are afraid. generally speaking vermin should be petrified, or else wtf. 1565102;1478735261;asciilifeform;i walked in the, i sheett thee not, protest 1565103;1478735285;asciilifeform;10,001 'millenial' cunts and cuntettes 1565104;1478735307;asciilifeform;now next to the dc trumpularium 1565105;1478735339;asciilifeform;will post film later, mircea_popescu asked for faces, will have - faces!!111 1565106;1478735343;phf;"was hangover, didn't submit vote on time, can i submit the vote on thursday?" 1565107;1478735621;mircea_popescu;ahahaha phf has seen these before yes ? 1565108;1478735690;mircea_popescu;anyway, odds are first move of new "unified" govt is repeal of affordable care act, aka the tax-thats-not, aka obamacare. 1565109;1478735731;mircea_popescu;ryan moar than happy to, even unasked. trump gets a shitload of stalin halo effect, as it turns out. 1565110;1478735734;mircea_popescu;the trump in being. 1565111;1478736268;mircea_popescu;and of course hca down 10% 1565112;1478736571;Framedragger;https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf 1565113;1478736792;pete_dushenski;KEYSTONE BITCHES 1565114;1478736829;mircea_popescu;prolly #1 on the "1trn in infrastructure expenditure" he's talking about. 1565115;1478736831;*;pete_dushenski opens window to hear albertan cheers overtop of feminegro sobs 1565116;1478736867;mircea_popescu;oya. oil canada is by far the largest winner of trump victory. 1565117;1478736869;pete_dushenski;"THIRD, a requirement that for every new federal regulation, two existing regulations must be eliminated" << beautiful. 1565118;1478736878;mircea_popescu;though it was pretty badly fucked before. 1565119;1478736893;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski not just beautiful, but copied off here lol. 1565120;1478736904;pete_dushenski;lel that, yes. 1565121;1478736948;pete_dushenski;i can't help but wonder what i did in a former life to deserve such luck, that everything in my life turns into sweet profits. 1565122;1478736967;pete_dushenski;i obviously fellated the right gods 1565123;1478737027;mircea_popescu;how do muslim women pray ? "thank you god for not making me a cow". and muslim men ? "thank you god for not making me a woman". and everyone else ? "thank you god for not making me muslim." 1565124;1478737043;pete_dushenski;lmao 1565125;1478737064;pete_dushenski;"thank you god for making me an infidel" 1565126;1478737146;pete_dushenski;i'm suddenly reminded of that scene in the simpsons where the mob boss tells bart that "crime doesn't pay" as he rolls up the tinted window on his limo and drives off smoking a fat cuban cigar. being an infidel is like being that mob bos innit. 1565127;1478737315;pete_dushenski;"Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern border with the full understanding that the country of Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost of such wall" << curious to see how this "dear mexico, you now have us debt" angle plays south of the border. 1565128;1478737614;phf;i did my time as TA, i've seen these people first hand 1565129;1478737625;mircea_popescu;sounds like it. 1565130;1478737722;mircea_popescu;though in fairness i did get hungover once in recent memory that was terrible. 1565131;1478737766;mircea_popescu;hangovers are unknown in civilised lands, such as transylvania. getting immensely drunk on the local stuff makes one's heart not in the slightest hurt. there's just this extremely pleasant mellowness the day following imbibing a liter of 52% tuica. 1565132;1478737805;mircea_popescu;however in this accursed land i invented a new champagne cocktail, out of this mint-ginger slushie lemonade they have. you just order a bottle and then pour it by degrees in the lemonade glass. 1565133;1478737818;mircea_popescu;except you know, three girls, six buckets and however many lemonades later.... o brother. 1565134;1478738035;phf;i feel hungover just from description. that's the kind of stuff they love here. actually Seacrets, the place that sluts like to go to in ocean city maryland, has this signature drink, that's a slushie, out of a slushie machine, but a significant amount of vodka in it 1565135;1478738056;mircea_popescu;champagne works better. vodka is too... contondent. 1565136;1478738061;mircea_popescu;plus, the froth spills. 1565137;1478738251;BingoBoingo;Apparently Trump is visiting the Trumpreichstag tomorrow. How much you wanna bet he pulls a trade mark "Illinois Governor" move and instead Presidents from the dark tower in NYC surrounded by ungrateful fucks. 1565138;1478738266;mircea_popescu;possible. 1565139;1478738300;mircea_popescu;it's universal in the lifecycle of decaying empires that the official capitol seat as depicted on coins is abandoned. and as alf correctly pointed out recently, even nopw it's more ceremonial than functional. 1565140;1478738359;BingoBoingo;AHA now that is a metric Illinois has been leading the US in for some time now. 1565141;1478738382;mircea_popescu;besides, very good signal for the rats. they were hurrdurring about how "he can't staff white house", implying that he'd care to. well... 1565142;1478738391;BingoBoingo;DC ceremonial because target. Springfield ceremonial because ChIraq 1565143;1478738403;mircea_popescu;~same thing. 1565144;1478738464;BingoBoingo;Nah SPrinfield is safe. Just inconvenient when it comes to collecting 31337 bribes 1565145;1478738479;phf;they don't really do champagne in u.s. unless it's a bottle service kind of deal and then you get a krug or moet (actually more often clicquot or cristal). it's definitely a much nicer base for a lot of "entertaining" drinks 1565146;1478738506;mircea_popescu;the local stuff is actuallyt quite passible. 1565147;1478738543;mircea_popescu;and, importantly, very universally available. the last diner will be able to bring you a bottle if you order. 1565148;1478738554;ben_vulpes;rather nice bubbles can be had from the dundee area for ~25 usd/bottle 1565149;1478738560;phf;:o 1565150;1478738565;mircea_popescu;microbrew ? :D 1565151;1478738569;ben_vulpes;essentially! 1565152;1478738580;ben_vulpes;the apple liquor industry is spinning up as well. 1565153;1478738591;mircea_popescu;beer and cider i could trust in the usian louts 1565154;1478738594;mircea_popescu;but champagne's not easy. 1565155;1478738595;ben_vulpes;i had a mind-blowingly good pear brandy last week. 1565156;1478738611;phf;oh yeah, the whole popping bottles thing 1565157;1478738636;ben_vulpes;phf: popping bottles thing? 1565158;1478738640;mircea_popescu;only thing is - romania has splendid rose and actually red champagne. never saw it here. 1565159;1478738684;mircea_popescu;(romania has excellent wines - as far as whites go. the reds generally don't keep worth a shit, which is why it's not usually rated above france, notwithstanding wineries ~as old, of ~same quality) 1565160;1478738805;phf;ben_vulpes: blacks popularized champagne as a status symbol, so i can see it newly becoming a thing 1565161;1478738839;mircea_popescu;eh, it was doing ok as a status symbol even before qt's four rooms thing (which is what i suppose you mean by blacks ?). 1565162;1478738857;mircea_popescu;teh cafe society was fixated on it arguably to a larger degree. 1565163;1478738870;ben_vulpes;wilamette valley grapes are only just starting to mature in quantity. my wine guy does 3 single-plot vintages, we went through > 6 cases of the shit over the past year 1565164;1478738883;mircea_popescu;what's a single plot vintage ? 1565165;1478738915;ben_vulpes;probably the wrong name, but each of the wines came from grapes in a specific plot in a specific vineyard. 1565166;1478738930;BingoBoingo;phf: Whites popularized champagne, blacks popularized brands of champagne 1565167;1478738946;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how big is such a plot ? 1565168;1478738947;ben_vulpes;like "single origin" in coffee, but more like "single this acre or so of grapes from this other vineyard you already like" 1565169;1478738953;mircea_popescu;wtf is this, gardening 1565170;1478738955;phf;no no, there's a whole bunch of hiphop songs where they go "popping bottles" blah blah. means specifically opening bottle service champagne (usually cristal) 1565171;1478738962;ben_vulpes;eh, they're tended with the rest of the farm 1565172;1478738976;BingoBoingo;phf: Right, brand ALWAYS mentioned 1565173;1478738977;ben_vulpes;just...that varietal grown in that part of the farm. 1565174;1478738979;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. ben_vulpes you realise this is purely a marketing tactic of poor people, driven entirely by the fact that... they only OWN a tiny spot, and has no actual merit whatsoever ? 1565175;1478738992;ben_vulpes;doesn't even own it! 1565176;1478738994;mircea_popescu;good wine comes out of all-hill sort of vintages, wtf. 1565177;1478739024;mircea_popescu;phf did that retarded sword thing spread there too ? 1565178;1478739027;phf;BingoBoingo: nah, plenty of songs where it's not, though i agree that the brand is probably implied 1565179;1478739031;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But small plot because other hill has light taste of Hanford site 1565180;1478739062;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo: nah, plenty of songs where it's not, though i agree that the brand is probably implied << Nah, this is endorsement fishing. Brand yet to be named 1565181;1478739078;mircea_popescu;heh did i tell the joke of the friar who could tell wine by a simple taste ? kind, year, often enough exact place in the vintage ? 1565182;1478739169;phf;sword thing? 1565183;1478739174;ben_vulpes;(guy also does a deliciously sacrilegious bubbly chardonnay) 1565184;1478739182;phf;also i'm pretty sure i heard that joke 1565185;1478739187;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no? 1565186;1478739198;mircea_popescu;if you get a typical cavalry sword and run it against the bottle neck the last segment will detach with the cork attached ; or just the cork may fly off. 1565187;1478739200;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: wrong river 1565188;1478739223;mircea_popescu;how is chardonnay sacrilegious ?! 1565189;1478739226;phf;ah ah, no. the place would get shut down for having a sword in it 1565190;1478739236;mircea_popescu;was all the rage at some point ; idiotic as all fuck. 1565191;1478739250;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: But same air and I haven't seen the hydrological maps but could be interesting aquifier 1565192;1478739261;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes : so in order to mess with him, they bring him fresh piss in a glass 1565193;1478739273;mircea_popescu;the guy takes a sip, rolls it around the tongue etc all pensive, then declares 1565194;1478739283;mircea_popescu;"bout 16, virgin, and not from any of the convents" 1565195;1478739315;phf;kek 1565196;1478739321;ben_vulpes;heh 1565197;1478739323;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: wind blows in from the coast, over wine country, and thence to hanford 1565198;1478739329;mircea_popescu;as it turns out, his REAL talent wasn't wine tasting. that was just... you know, like gay people sometimes channel their love of dressing up into an acting career. 1565199;1478739374;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes anyway, for to enlighten and instruct : champagne proper (ie, in theregion) is mostly made of pinot and chardonnay. 1565200;1478739378;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: But does it do this ALL the time? How many nines in your 99.X% does it take to make the idea uncomfortable? 1565201;1478739389;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: aquifer is entirely different too, with dundee being on the wilamette and hanford being on the...columbia? 1565202;1478739402;BingoBoingo;Ah 1565203;1478739420;ben_vulpes;i-- 1565204;1478739431;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no idea why it was recorded as being weird in my head. 1565205;1478739449;*;BingoBoingo appologizes I live in real America where white people SMILED as they waited for the Great Again to happen 1565206;1478739456;mircea_popescu;lmao 1565207;1478739489;mircea_popescu;i thought you lot were a hateful spiteful warmongering bunch making the precious snowflakes of twitter etc feel not-safe 1565208;1478739492;mircea_popescu;and also fat and stuff. 1565209;1478739495;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: the nines are high. that's why there's a desert on the other side of the cascade range. 1565210;1478739613;mircea_popescu;back to france for a moment : so marine le pen, the chick that kicked the inventor of national front out because you know, he was getting in the way of "coabitation" with the bureaucracy cock what with his poking fun at the jew lobby and whatnot, was married to some guy who was the front secretary, and had three kids with him. 1565211;1478739621;mircea_popescu;then that guy was no longer the secretary, so she divorced him 1565212;1478739624;mircea_popescu;to marry the secretary 1565213;1478739633;mircea_popescu;whom then she divorced when he no longer was, to marry the new one. 1565214;1478739638;mircea_popescu;talk about dedication to cohabitation. 1565215;1478739677;mircea_popescu;(franch chauffroy ; eric lorio and louis aliot, for the name-oriented) 1565216;1478739686;BingoBoingo;lol anyways qntra called la pen long ago 1565217;1478739692;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1565218;1478739700;BingoBoingo;!~google site:qntra.net marine la pen 1565219;1478739701;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Likely Next French President Wants Bitcoin Ban | Qntra: ; Older posts - Qntra: ; Europe | Qntra: 1565220;1478739720;mircea_popescu;honestly, being banned in france never hurt anthing. 1565221;1478739728;mircea_popescu;!~google it's banned in boston 1565222;1478739729;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Banned in Boston - Wikipedia: ; Banned in Boston : The Watch and Ward Society's Crusade against ...: ; The loophole in the Mass. assault weapons ban - The Boston Globe: (1 more message) 1565223;1478739923;BingoBoingo;Anyways it was a rare sight today. Working white people rarely smile unless smiling is part of their work, and yet here they were. The Great Again hasn't happened yet, but you can bet they are eagerly waiting the Great Again. 1565224;1478739943;mircea_popescu;should be interesting if they don't actually get it. 1565225;1478740320;BingoBoingo;No one can know what happens during the Great Again. 1565226;1478740325;mircea_popescu;aha. 1565227;1478740498;BingoBoingo;'Murican grammar can be tricky. Hence the expanded line of Mr. T: Make America, Great Again! 1565228;1478740530;BingoBoingo;With the proper comma the Great Again is either a diety or perhaps some sort of event. 1565229;1478740555;mircea_popescu;i wonder who's this Again. 1565230;1478740605;BingoBoingo;Prolly Peace's homeboy or some shit. 1565231;1478740632;mircea_popescu;in case anyone didn't comprehend why those things are designed in that shape : http://68.media.tumblr.com/7ea8b65267abbdc6d6c28212209f9daa/tumblr_n01dlyEwXM1r1ff3no1_1280.jpg 1565232;1478740635;BingoBoingo;Maybe Great is a feast of the Again? 1565233;1478740793;*;BingoBoingo hasn't worked out the Theology of this quite yet. 1565234;1478741156;ben_vulpes;isn't not "actually getting it" the one thing voters are guaranteed? 1565235;1478741162;ben_vulpes;in america at least 1565236;1478741182;mats;pop pop 1565237;1478741430;BingoBoingo;Oh the Great Again will come, but no one can know the form Great Again chooses. 1565238;1478741476;*;trinque tries not to imagine stay puft marshmallow man, foils himself in the process 1565239;1478742111;BingoBoingo;Oh no the first form is lulzier 1565240;1478742121;*;BingoBoingo awaits RSS Again 1565241;1478742147;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/st-louis-homeless-overdose-on-fake-weed-as-the-great-again-looms/ << Qntra - St Louis Homeless Overdose On Fake Weed As The Great Again Looms 1565242;1478742609;BingoBoingo;^ Literal fallout among the poor urban population 1565243;1478742681;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/plocr 1565244;1478744971;asciilifeform;sooooo folx i have a VERY special treat for strictly!111 expert entomologists among ya. 1565245;1478745080;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/butthurt/butthurt_small_1.m4v 1565246;1478745084;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/butthurt/butthurt_small_2.m4v 1565247;1478745089;asciilifeform; http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/butthurt/butthurt_small_3.m4v 1565248;1478745096;asciilifeform; http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/butthurt/butthurt_long.m4v 1565249;1478745104;asciilifeform;and, lastly, http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/butthurt/butthurt_massive.m4v 1565250;1478745113;asciilifeform;most of the truly egregious wtf is in this last turd. 1565251;1478745118;asciilifeform;(warning: 1.5GB!) 1565252;1478745140;asciilifeform;these will be erased when aficionados have had enough, they take up valuable disk. 1565253;1478745152;asciilifeform;whoever wants to mirror - go, why not. 1565254;1478745201;asciilifeform;chronologically, 'butthurt_massive' came first. 1565255;1478745231;asciilifeform;derps started at white house and then had 'march' to trumpularium (old wash d.c. post office, yes the one with the bell tower, that herr tritler converted to mega-hotel last yr) 1565256;1478745231;BingoBoingo;tyvm asciilifeform for your valor in retrieving evidence of butts hurt 1565257;1478745242;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i felt like a walk. 1565258;1478745246;asciilifeform;dragged the woman also. 1565259;1478745266;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But you are Russian immigrant and those derps are Russophobes!!! 1565260;1478745279;asciilifeform;i left the su flag at home. 1565261;1478745287;asciilifeform;and the bear. 1565262;1478745292;BingoBoingo;What about the sprats?! 1565263;1478745298;asciilifeform;even the balalaika. 1565264;1478745337;asciilifeform;anyway audio and video -- atrocious, if some hero wants to transcribe the speeches in 'butthurt_massive' i will take off hat. 1565265;1478745340;BingoBoingo;What about the not jaundiced pooh? 1565266;1478745349;asciilifeform;but no one should subtract time from scrubbing his kalash for doing this. 1565267;1478745391;asciilifeform;films are in (yes) crapple format, it plays on mplayer and probably whatever else. 1565268;1478745555;asciilifeform;all of the faces i promised to mircea_popescu are in 'butthurt_massive'. 1565269;1478745563;asciilifeform;could make good screensaver. 1565270;1478746130;asciilifeform;the 'pussy grabs back' picket sign was lultronic, as were others. 1565271;1478746223;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565224 << jam, as we learn in kindergarten, happened yesterday, and will happen again -- tomorrow. but not today. 1565272;1478746223;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 01:05 mircea_popescu: should be interesting if they don't actually get it. 1565273;1478747126;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1565032 << also one of the not so many folx who get to Officially pack heat in washington dc, while at same time not being moneyvan labourers, ss men, or similar 1565274;1478747126;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 21:43 mircea_popescu: oh, also iirc richest woman in congress, worth ~80k btc. 1565275;1478747154;asciilifeform;(which is extra lulzy, with the witch being author of ~every major california gun ban etc) 1565276;1478747530;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1565072 << this is a crime authored by all of the folks who made this type of scam even remotely thinkable. just as microshit is the primary author of all, without exception, virii. 1565277;1478747530;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 23:17 mircea_popescu remembers the days when obama told da to pick up some random hooker turning tricks in hotel, claim she was a maid, have her tell that strauss-kahn assaulted her, then lie about the whole thing so that france would end up with a president the us likes (which, of course, like every other bahamas scandal, backfired miserably and cost the us taxpayer a helluva lot more than the nigger's "education" cost them) 1565278;1478747595;asciilifeform;i.e. the folx who built whatever system where maid scum's finger pointed at lord somehow weighs != 0. 1565279;1478748085;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1565108 << will be interesting, nobody living in usa ever lived yet to see any usg monstrosity repealed or even shrunk, it'd be a first. 1565280;1478748085;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 23:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, odds are first move of new "unified" govt is repeal of affordable care act, aka the tax-thats-not, aka obamacare. 1565281;1478748462;trinque;j/i 1565282;1478748479;trinque;hm, this isn't my inbox! 1565283;1478748485;asciilifeform;leeel 1565284;1478748575;shinohai;jurov pete_dushenski have gpgram incoming 1565285;1478748936;shinohai;deadline for Qntest today plot thickens! O.o 1565286;1478749023;asciilifeform;https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-white-house-win-promises-to-reshape-us-political-landscape/2016/11/09/62baa5e4-a66a-11e6-ba59-a7d93165c6d4_story.html << for fuxxxsake they took same pics 1565287;1478749042;asciilifeform;'Vigils and protests swell across U.S. in wake of Trump victory' 1565288;1478749089;asciilifeform;'Donald Trump, go away! Sexist, racist, anti-gay!' 1565289;1478749112;trinque;poor guy even held up the fag flag 1565290;1478749115;trinque;no respect 1565291;1478749124;asciilifeform;i saw no fewer than 3 of these. 1565292;1478749135;mircea_popescu;let's check this out then! 1565293;1478749504;trinque;the voices are so grating. that particular whiny female frequency is only surpassed by a screaming infant. 1565294;1478749616;asciilifeform;'entomologists-only' sticker for reasons!111 1565295;1478749617;*;trinque wonders if this is the wail of which mircea_popescu spoke 1565296;1478749652;asciilifeform;or hm was trinque watching the wp clip 1565297;1478749653;trinque;asciilifeform: ah, but when somebody says "dude, smell this!" what can one do 1565298;1478749666;trinque;nah going through yours 1565299;1478749668;mircea_popescu;well, it works in the direct like that ; but i generally use it metaphorically to describe communal behaviour. ie when pimp goes into the room, slaps one, and they all start bitching. 1565300;1478749690;asciilifeform;gregarious birds do this. 1565301;1478749717;trinque;other primates, same, eh? all start freaking out in chorus 1565302;1478749829;trinque;oh man, the people taking selfies while "marching" 1565303;1478749845;mircea_popescu;not really, no. only the chimp-like primates. 1565304;1478749852;mircea_popescu;generally females don't swarm. 1565305;1478749907;mircea_popescu;meanwhile fucktarded internet.bs decided to... no longer take bitcoin payments. 1565306;1478749925;mircea_popescu;because why the fuck run a business like it were a business when you could also run it like a fucking gypsy sideshow. 1565307;1478749949;mircea_popescu;so i guess i'm moving domains yet again. fucking bullshit "domains" i'm entirely sick of this dumb shit. 1565308;1478749981;mircea_popescu;anyone know a domain registrar that's not run by fucking monkeys ? 1565309;1478750243;mircea_popescu;dude check him out, alf is one tiny step away from becoming a talent scout. 1565310;1478750284;asciilifeform;right after i finish also reading 'how to mig'. 1565311;1478750333;trinque;pouty interior decorating major sought for leather couch consulting; no experience necessary. 1565312;1478750359;mircea_popescu;s/pouty/sultry/ s/cons/cunts/ etc 1565313;1478750899;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at better parties, http://68.media.tumblr.com/67a1baa5f441bf1533cdc941fa00cc27/tumblr_msuskhfy0i1si42yzo1_1280.jpg 1565314;1478750997;mircea_popescu;anyway - the derpitude of "protests" totaling fewer people than trump's lead in new hampshire aside, the man definitely has his work cut out for him trying to get these idle fucks to even consider doing something useful with themselves. i very much doubt any us citizen under 30 has done any kind of productive work this year. 1565315;1478751030;mircea_popescu;and no i don't mean showing up 80% of the time for an overpaid "service" job waitering / barristaing / whatever coyote ugly fantasy nonsense. 1565316;1478751050;BingoBoingo; deadline for Qntest today plot thickens! O.o << November 10th began 4 hours ago so closed. And jury is deliberating. 1565317;1478755830;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/hustle-flow/ << Trilema - Hustle & Flow 1565318;1478757547;mircea_popescu;in which we discover that http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-01-01 works and http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-04-01 works but http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-11-01 doesn't. 1565319;1478759279;mircea_popescu;o check it out, apparently there's even an acronym for it! NEET. gotta remember this. 1565320;1478761154;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/Xhekv << inexplicably, they also vote. 1565321;1478774734;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : foa&mounk study reveals barely 30% of people born 1980 believe it's essential to live in a country that is governed democratically. 1565322;1478774771;mircea_popescu;figure is ~45% in the eu. 1565323;1478774802;mircea_popescu;that's something like half a billion white people unimpressed with this whole "modern democracy" bullshit. 1565324;1478780168;shinohai;!~tits 1565325;1478780168;jhvh1;( . Y . ) http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ( . Y . ) 1565326;1478780174;shinohai;http://archive.is/xhFEq <<< Should at any point in the future Ms. Clair come here to claim that bounty, I will personally match mircea_popescu 's stated offer. 1565327;1478783880;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565225 << ru writer pelevin has a thing about Dog Pizdetc, which in his world is a kind of diety, but pizdetc is a russian mat word derived from "pizda" i.e. vagina, and is used to signify the totality of negative and positive experiences. sort of like "how's it going? -- total pizdetc", i.e. everything has utterly failed. or "look at that car go! -- piiizdeeetc", i.e. holly shit that's awesome. so in 1565328;1478783880;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 01:12 BingoBoingo: No one can know what happens during the Great Again. 1565329;1478783881;phf;pelevin's world the coming of the Dog Pizdetc is an eschatological event, when you're going to finally have "vsyo", a word which means both "everything" and "the end". 1565330;1478784616;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565112 << "increases resources for federal law enforcement agencies and federal prosecutors" creation of the national police continues on schedule 1565331;1478784616;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 00:09 Framedragger: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landings/contract/O-TRU-102316-Contractv02.pdf 1565332;1478784937;BingoBoingo;phf ty 1565333;1478788394;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/W2D4A << qntra fodder ? 1565334;1478788507;mircea_popescu;holy shit the insane pretzel logic of the progressive mind. so "voter suppression" is bad mmkay except how dare people show up to vote who don't live on "university" campuses or in other usg-aggitated ghettos! "demography is destiny" except of course when it ... "shouldn't be" ? voter opinion is sacrosanct and fundamentally true and good, except of course should it diverge from progressive idiocy. the electoral college system 1565335;1478788507;mircea_popescu; is great and a bulwark of democracy, except of course it's really bad and barbaric and an anachronism as "we've always said" - and this literally changes from nov 7 to nov 8. 1565336;1478788587;mircea_popescu;basically the whole "current" reduces to exactly "About a subjugated plain, among its desperate copies slain, the Progre stalks with hands on hips while drivel gushes from his lips." and all strictly because http://trilema.com/2016/white-racism/#selection-257.0-257.57 1565337;1478788588;shinohai;freezing to death in a sudden packet storm 1565338;1478788679;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol clair sheehan is really too old to rescue. 1565339;1478788704;mircea_popescu;"demonstrators - blabla - FLOODED". you know, all 12 of them. 1565340;1478788718;shinohai;hence why she should be impaled as a warning to the others 1565341;1478788733;asciilifeform;who's that 1565342;1478788736;mircea_popescu;"from new england to heartland cities like kansas city and along ther west coast" ie, we almost managed a coupla of these per state, especially if you're like us and can't actually say how many states there are. 1565343;1478788787;mircea_popescu;(obama, incidentally, teh great scholar etc, is on the record having nfi how many states there are. because they don't learn that in kenyan jr high. and besides - he was on college on a nigger scholarship not an academic one.) 1565344;1478788814;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform random chickie whose selfies are being used by random rag for clickbait. 1565345;1478788843;mircea_popescu;"she wrote whatever on her forehead" "since when does anyone give a shit about her bulbous, oily forehead ?!?" 1565346;1478788895;asciilifeform;link? 1565347;1478788967;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ld0Lt << related lulpic 1565348;1478788969;mircea_popescu;his link above. http://archive.is/xhFEq 1565349;1478788985;asciilifeform;aaah 1565350;1478789001;asciilifeform;dunno, i like this one. she has -- face. 1565351;1478789015;mircea_popescu;your idea of a face is very heavily biased in favour of impudent imbecile. 1565352;1478789043;asciilifeform;it is biased away from plastic slut, i suppose 1565353;1478789045;mircea_popescu;i much favour the whore mask because it shows the important traits of humble adaptation which are much more valuable in a female than "intelligence" or whatever, "having a personality" 1565354;1478789053;asciilifeform;yeah we had thread. 1565355;1478789056;mircea_popescu;yes, it is, and i can't see how it's not detrimental. 1565356;1478789076;mircea_popescu;o we did ? kay then. 1565357;1478789113;asciilifeform;'Five people were shot and injured in an area near the protest, but police said the shootings and the demonstration were unrelated.' << lel 1565358;1478789132;mircea_popescu;(for the record - average crack whore sampled off us highway today is, in point of fact and as any sort of practical measure of intelligence will show - far above average "student" sampled off us campus.) 1565359;1478789167;asciilifeform;i would pay to watch this experiment alive. 1565360;1478789201;mircea_popescu;in due time we shall no doubt end up doing it. 1565361;1478789273;mircea_popescu;but i bet you now and here - i can teach crack whore structuralist linguistics to the standard of defeating the average us college professor within weeks ; you will not be able to teach "student" to get out of rain / paper bag within year. 1565362;1478789287;asciilifeform;one strange thing i noticed in the great writhing mass of student chix last night (there will be a larger one, supposedly, tonight, with mr t. in town!111 but i dunno if i can be arsed to go photohunt again) is the malnutrition 1565363;1478789301;asciilifeform;they looked like 1930s (not yet '40s, no) ghetto folk 1565364;1478789326;mircea_popescu;it's obvious, but not specific. at the same age, the same chick was malnourished in romania in the 90s, on the basis of a strict mineral-water-and-pufuleti diet. 1565365;1478789337;mircea_popescu;20something females self-starve as a cross-cultural phenomenon. 1565366;1478789378;asciilifeform;i meant the old 20th c.-style malnutrition. they were a head shorter than the chix i remember from uni 1565367;1478789402;mircea_popescu;(pufuleti = https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=pufuleti&client=ubuntu&hs=t4s&channel=fs&tbm=isch ) 1565368;1478789409;asciilifeform;crowd was palpably different than, e.g., iraq protest of '03, where i also watched 1565369;1478789411;mircea_popescu;ah. that's prolly mostly bad genes. 1565370;1478789454;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/sXQIj << possibly moar qntra 1565371;1478789573;mircea_popescu;"Chicago resident Michael Burke said he believes the president-elect will "divide the country and stir up hatred." He added there was a constitutional duty not to accept that outcome." << more of the same pretzel. "we have been pouring armed monkeys from the border for years - rhodesian govt has been trying to maintain order WHICH IS RACISM" 1565372;1478789608;mircea_popescu;somehow this makes sense to them. "HE WILL BE DIVISIVE". it's like listening to stupid overentitled housewives argue domestically. 1565373;1478789698;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. much like in romania a decade ago, much like in argentina three years ago, the ACTUAL turnover at these "massive" protests where the entrenched "progressive" niggerdom was supposed to pour its heart, soul and mostly spleen are shockingly underwhelming. 1565374;1478789759;asciilifeform;btw i dunno if this was obvious from the pic, but the thing in dc was Officially sanctioned, there were police cars to herd traffic away, etc 1565375;1478789787;mircea_popescu;for flavour, right after macri was elected the peronistas (you know, the idiots with the http://trilema.com/2015/marcha-de-las-dumbas/ ) threatened for weeks to throw a huge protest rally. in the end the government mobilized more troops than the actual protestor count and because of it macri showed them the bill for the "manifestation" and politely asked them to refrain because the money to pay for the police's coming straigh 1565376;1478789787;mircea_popescu;t out of entitlement programs./ 1565377;1478789817;asciilifeform;lol! 1565378;1478789854;mircea_popescu;word. there were like 3.5-5k police in the street, like 1.5-2k "protestors" of the most copacetic, "someone paid me 100 pesos and bussed me in to be here and what is this?" countryside yokel ylk. 1565379;1478789864;asciilifeform;'protest' in dc is a very 'argentine' thing, there are 'pros' who show up to ~every~ one, with same props even, ~weekly 1565380;1478789893;mircea_popescu;aha. that was the problem here exactly - they couldn't even get all the pros to show up. unoficially it was like... dude, you got -500 people in the street wtf. 1565381;1478789895;asciilifeform;this one was actually unusual for the handwritten pickets 1565382;1478789902;asciilifeform;normally they are preprinted and quite tedious 1565383;1478789905;asciilifeform;'free palestine' 1565384;1478789920;mircea_popescu;and hence the logic - policeman costs about 15x what your "protesters" cost, wtf is with the wastage you're ddosing the interior affairs ministry. 1565385;1478790137;mircea_popescu;PeterL centralized police force is not avoidable, but i daresay this is a failure of the population not so much of the government. 1565386;1478790546;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565372 << in progre pidgin, 'divisive' == 'will stir up the folx who oughta be shutting up and sucking, and showing up to construction site, and enlisting to die for some fat chick's right to marry her dog' 1565387;1478790546;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 14:53 mircea_popescu: somehow this makes sense to them. "HE WILL BE DIVISIVE". it's like listening to stupid overentitled housewives argue domestically. 1565388;1478790574;mircea_popescu;the problem being that i couldn't give less of a shit what progretalk means in progreterms. 1565389;1478790595;shinohai;https://twitter.com/bitstein/status/792030686253309952 1565390;1478790621;asciilifeform;in ~human~ terms it dun mean much. go and try to translate the barely-audible chitter of weevils. 1565391;1478790661;mircea_popescu;that's the major point all the wanna-be mini-lacans fail to comprehend. "oh, we'll pick a set of presumptions, construct a language, and make up intricate literature in it!" "nobody cares." "huh ?" "you don't get to say, "hey, consider THIS premise"." "why not ?" "because you're not cool enough." 1565392;1478790699;mircea_popescu;somehow the basic "first, the tank divisions ; THEN the new words / definitions" failed to connect with their heads. 1565393;1478790739;mircea_popescu;and dorks a la curtis yarvin & friends go around dribbling "hey, since they're behaving AS IF they had the division, therefore they have them yes ?" as fucking if. 1565394;1478790753;asciilifeform;there were no tank divisions, but there ~were~ molotov-thrower divisions. in '60s, when they hijacked what was left of usa university system to push 'studies' etc 1565395;1478790797;asciilifeform;it was a quite overt surrender of territory, the idiot rulers of the time saw it as 'temporary' strategic retreat 1565396;1478790800;mircea_popescu;much like "jewish" being hijacked by some alt-alt-neoprotestants from fucking ohio. all the actual jews ie hasids being dead. 1565397;1478790857;mircea_popescu;so now "being jewish" is yet another flavour or three of being you know, southern emo preacher / martin luther king is luther 2.0 sorta nonsense. 1565398;1478790872;asciilifeform;see also 'freedom riders' 1565399;1478790891;asciilifeform;(largely j00z, but for some reason this got 'un-facted' ) 1565400;1478790907;mircea_popescu;the whole body of americana actually needs a #NotAThing cold-pressed on each sentece. 1565401;1478790974;asciilifeform;also the hypothesis that these were 'faux j00z' and the real ones - all killed in warsaw -- does not stand. the folx calling for boycott of germany in '30s, etc., were grandparents of 'freedom riders', and great-grandparents of the chix i was 'protesting' with last night. 1565402;1478790995;mircea_popescu;yes, and condemned by people like the previously mentioned satmar. 1565403;1478790996;asciilifeform;i have 0 idea what any of these people were smoking. 1565404;1478791003;mircea_popescu;who you know - actually fucking lived in satu mare. 1565405;1478791017;mircea_popescu;they were smoking a big fat joint of wanna-be. 1565406;1478791070;asciilifeform;idiot fritzes bulldozed satmar, warsaw, whichever, i suppose because america is far. 1565407;1478791114;asciilifeform;'you crack the skulls you can crack, not the skulls you wish you could crack' or what did bush say. 1565408;1478791118;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565318 << code assumed that there's always more then 200 top posters, fixed now 1565409;1478791118;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 05:59 mircea_popescu: in which we discover that http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-01-01 works and http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-04-01 works but http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-11-01 doesn't. 1565410;1478791168;mircea_popescu;the relationship essentialized to a brincusian level is like this : there was an adult, and quite fetching jewish body living outside the pale. which is not just poland, even if by poland you mean the lithuanian-polish commonwealth, ie a historical state larger than russia in all respects. aside from this, across the ocean was an acneic fat 12yo girl some cadet branch had with an irish "handsome rover from town to town" blabl 1565411;1478791168;mircea_popescu;a. 1565412;1478791182;mircea_popescu;the fatass really really wanted to be you know, IN IT! and so she "helped" 1565413;1478791201;mircea_popescu;in the exact unwelcome manner a 12 half-sister would help the adult beauty get laid. 1565414;1478791220;mircea_popescu;phf teh magic numbers you know :D 1565415;1478791234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you mean -- living ~inside~ the pale ? 1565416;1478791244;mircea_popescu;no, outside. 1565417;1478791312;mircea_popescu;the pale is east of warsaw west of moscow. 1565418;1478791329;asciilifeform;incidentally the cross-ocean folx were largely in the 1890-1910 wave, from belorussia and elsewhere, pushed by pobedonostsev's famous 'rule of thirds' 1565419;1478791354;mircea_popescu;those got eaten by wolves. 1565420;1478791359;asciilifeform;('1/3 will convert, 1/3 -- emigrate, 1/3 - will starve') 1565421;1478791361;mircea_popescu;you know, like the first boston. 1565422;1478791538;asciilifeform;(from some first-hand familiarity) it is not clear to me that they were in any sense eaten, they are still here. marching round with picket signs , e.g., 'PROTECT MY [picture of cat] FROM TRUMP' 1565423;1478791557;asciilifeform;i was stumped, but pet explained 'pussy' 1565424;1478791571;mircea_popescu;my point being that the fat, obnoxious 12 yo girl is related, but not substantially, to the hottie. 1565425;1478791597;asciilifeform;deculturated -- yes 1565426;1478791606;mircea_popescu;they were eaten by wolves, ie, they lost character and became a sort of yankees. 1565427;1478791607;asciilifeform;genealogically - same exact folx. 1565428;1478791621;mircea_popescu;im not terribly interested in the genetic aspect. 1565429;1478791670;asciilifeform;hey it's a handy 'who's who', in much the same way as one learns, working in usg laboratory dungeons for years, to tell all of the east asian folk apart from across hallway before even hello. 1565430;1478791718;mircea_popescu;no argument. nevertheless, retarded kid telling you "he has azn ancestry" in english, the sole language he speaks has no azn ancestry. as ballas aptly points out, in an article which can anyone plox link ? 1565431;1478791746;asciilifeform;eh wasn't that elliot r. whoever ? 1565432;1478791774;mircea_popescu;nah 1565433;1478791789;mircea_popescu;that schmuck thought he was you know, british royalty. 1565434;1478791790;asciilifeform;and yes usa is where europe et al dumps folx to get deculturated and 'eaten by wolves' and converted to 'modern demoocracy' participants. 1565435;1478791837;asciilifeform;it is actually a mega-argument for mircea_popescu's despised 'blood and soil', folx separated from their natural habitat end up as.. this 1565436;1478791896;mircea_popescu;i don't necessarily despise it ; i am however unconvinced. moreover, while examples with your tendency certainly exist - examples of the contrary tendency also do exist (eg, romanians-abroad are far the fuck better than romanians-within, and always have been). 1565437;1478791902;asciilifeform;the j00z, pulled out of their shtetl planet, end up heiling clitler, etc. 1565438;1478791914;mircea_popescu;this is altogether dubious. but maybe. 1565439;1478791927;mircea_popescu;obviousy a life without hardship is a life of decay. past that general - i dunno. 1565440;1478791937;asciilifeform;1st gen. foreigners 'built' usa 1565441;1478791949;asciilifeform;tesla, sikorsky, etc., 1,001 faces. 1565442;1478791967;asciilifeform;2nd gen - sinks into the swamp. 1565443;1478791980;mircea_popescu;the thing ex-lithuania did for the jews wasn't "the soil" nor blood in the general understanding. it was simply http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563952 1565444;1478791980;a111;Logged on 2016-11-08 13:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1563912 << anything where half or more of the hopefuls fail to make it in, AND half or more of the first year fails to pass into 2nd. it must be selective in this sense, with an understanding that most extant fenotypes are biological failures of no further interest or value. 1565445;1478792000;mircea_popescu;there's nothing specific about the soil ; and the meaning of "blood" is - spill the blood of the children. 1565446;1478792035;asciilifeform;it isn't any magical trace nutrient in the earth, per se, but the 'you live in this here duchy and dun mix with randos' 1565447;1478792091;mircea_popescu;no, it's not that. it's simply - if out of 100 newborn male babies 50 make it to be 7 ; and then 25 of those make it to be 14 and then a dozen make it to 21, you will have a splendid culture, civilisation, and generally world. 1565448;1478792093;mircea_popescu;otherwise - not. 1565449;1478792099;mircea_popescu;spill the blood of the children, or go to hell. 1565450;1478792120;asciilifeform;historic j00z handled this in slightly nonstandard way -- culled males were driven out to convert 1565451;1478792323;mircea_popescu;look at it from the historical perspective : music was invented in babylon to quell the wail ; because the males there had the wisdom to kill the boys - for "no reason" but did it. then the jews came along and put it in their book to not do sacrifice children - and so the dumb women flocked to them, and they birefly prevailed. only to go to shit in a handbasket soon thereafter, so much so the fucking short-legged short-dicked 1565452;1478792323;mircea_popescu; lowbrow ROMANS of all fucking people conquered them. imagine this nonsense. and they even figured it out and put it in the holy texts, "god wants you to kill your boy!" 1565453;1478792369;mircea_popescu;the british "blood and soil" implemented the wail-supression through the mechanism of sending all kids off to work for osmeone else, so the woman's dumb feelers wouldbn't be aroused by the foreign kids imported into household. and it worked, for as long as they stuck to it - and it immediately failed once they gave it up. 1565454;1478792402;mircea_popescu;the REASON british empire fell has naught to do with anything else but the presence of arthur blair - that despicable fuckwit who pissed his bed. and his existence is due to the fact that he grew up with his mother's tit around. 1565455;1478792423;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in idish land, the wail was supressed through "oh honey, there's nothing io can do, those mean xenomen came and killed your baby" 1565456;1478792460;mircea_popescu;"of course they killed all the ones i didn't bother to hide - and i didn't bother to hide them because they suck because you're a dumb worthless whore whose cunt runs on perl and consequently all manner of ungodly slime crawls out from between your legs" 1565457;1478792469;mircea_popescu;but fortunately the 2nd part could also pass silently. 1565458;1478792574;mircea_popescu;once no more "evil xenomen" to come and kill "teh babies", no more jewish anything either. which is why it failed in the states - no leverage to quell the wail, there. 1565459;1478792587;mircea_popescu;to which related, http://trilema.com/house-of-strangers 1565460;1478793812;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/how_does_the_shutdown_relate_t.html << the tlp in question. "Why would she think this? Because she's stupid? Actually, yes: the culture you know least about has all the answers, which is also why the Guinness ad hypermale in pre-season Special Olympics has chosen to tattoo gigantic Chinese characters on his arm to explain his ennui to himself. "It's a chinese proverb, 'That what doesn' 1565461;1478793812;mircea_popescu;t kill me make me stronger.'" I hope to God a bus tries to make you stronger." 1565462;1478794433;asciilifeform;how did greeks implement wail-suppression system ? 1565463;1478794601;mircea_popescu;in sparta, by gorgo's to quote : "Επειδή γαμώ την ράτσα σου". in athens, they did not as far as one knows. 1565464;1478794643;PeterL;the refreshing thing about Trump (and would not have been with Hillary) is that now if the president does something stupid I can say "That was stupid" without everybody saying "Stop being RACIST" 1565465;1478794660;mircea_popescu;you jsut say that because you're balding. 1565466;1478794684;mircea_popescu;that epic feeling when the entire set google can produce for a greek excerpt is trilema. ha-HA! 1565467;1478794695;asciilifeform;^ this suggests typo 1565468;1478794704;mircea_popescu;mno. 1565469;1478794731;mircea_popescu;obviously, it can. but it can also suggest cultural superiority of a chilling depth. 1565470;1478794809;asciilifeform;i imagine that, to modern english folk, 'sparta' is the next stage after 'madness'. 1565471;1478794816;mircea_popescu;quite. 1565472;1478794843;mircea_popescu;for all physchopatologies, a frank view of the disease is quite exactly the next step after "madness". 1565473;1478795173;asciilifeform;lel mr t apparently just landed in mordor. 1565474;1478795220;mircea_popescu;it's vaguely regrettable no one with an old dogde pick-up ran. then he could have driven it all the way over to the wh and park it on the lawn. 1565475;1478795272;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ! 1565476;1478795715;mircea_popescu;"Beauty is a social construction. I'm all in, but it is a construction nevertheless. The reason I think women are hot today is that they are today, not that they are hot. I watch pornos from the seventies and I think to myself, "well, it would be better than bestiality, I guess." Everyone from the cast of Shampoo to the special guest stars on The Love Boat make me want to be a promisekeeper, meanwhile Wilt Chamberlain ha 1565477;1478795715;mircea_popescu;d sex with 10000 of these gorgons." 1565478;1478795719;mircea_popescu;god this guy fucking rules. 1565479;1478795725;PeterL;I used to drive an old dodge pick-up, was good sturdy truck. gave it up for a minivan when I got too many kids to fit in the cab. 1565480;1478795752;mircea_popescu;PeterL if it wasn't obvious, the bald thing above was because trump has such a great piece. 1565481;1478795764;PeterL;yeah, I got that. 1565482;1478795782;PeterL;I would look alot like trump if I grew my hair out a bit 1565483;1478795793;mircea_popescu;ha. 1565484;1478795808;mircea_popescu;consider running after retirement, apparently that's all the rage nowadays. 1565485;1478795808;PeterL;but I think my wife would leave me if I did my hair like his 1565486;1478795842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who was that, tlp ? 1565487;1478795846;mircea_popescu;ayup. 1565488;1478795865;asciilifeform;because i think i have that bit exactly flipped. 1565489;1478795873;mircea_popescu;i live in this strange blessed state where i've not to date managed a hairdo teh womenz didn't like. 1565490;1478795897;mircea_popescu;shaved head kept inch thick beard yest, "that's so hot!" 1565491;1478795931;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's really no sense in "evolutionary" takes on individual sexual preference. 1565492;1478795945;mircea_popescu;even collective - it's a fashion not some sort of biological thing. 1565493;1478795998;asciilifeform;it is also substantial noise component. 1565494;1478796097;mircea_popescu;moeover, there's an important distinction most people don't think of : if you've fucked under a few hundred women, one's "preference" doesn't exist as such ; they're discussing their ~projection~ of a preference, which isn't the same thing. not even remotely similar in fact. 1565495;1478796148;asciilifeform;by that token, it is just as foolish to say that i would rather visit mars than venus, given as i have flown to 0 planets ? 1565496;1478796171;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to say "between 1980 and 1990 i went to bed with 244 women of which 179 were blond, therefore i prefer blond women" ; it's quite another thing to say "when i dream up a dream girl, she's blonde". 1565497;1478796194;asciilifeform;i also dun own a working time machine, but have very definite preferences of where to go in it, i suppose i must be idiot 1565498;1478796202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the discussion there wasn't "i'd rather" but "i prefer". which things also aren't equal. i rather all sorts of things i don't prefer all the time, it's the key to sanity and male reproductive health. 1565499;1478796244;asciilifeform;'balanced diet' lel 1565500;1478796263;mircea_popescu;also being idiot dun enter into any of this. two different things being two different things doesn't make you anything in particular. 1565501;1478796297;asciilifeform;anyway, folks-sans-dirigible-have-no-preferences-just-illusions, etc., sure, we had thread. 1565502;1478796315;asciilifeform;and dan mocsny actually had this in an old post. 1565503;1478796346;mircea_popescu;i guess it could be thus reduced. 1565504;1478796357;PeterL;for the lulz: http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/10/colleges-cancelled-exams-for-students-tr 1565505;1478796398;mircea_popescu;god how i'd cancel their funding. 1565506;1478796403;asciilifeform;even dirigible does not magic away the problem, it could even be that mircea_popescu would much more enjoy fucking ancient babylonian gurlz, whose training could take a week instead of a year, no 'gargauni' in the head to start with, but they are not available. 1565507;1478796420;mircea_popescu;i actually have no problem fucking libertard. 1565508;1478796503;mircea_popescu;this being another thing most (western) men never think about : a sexual preference for young women NECESSARILY connotes a sexual preference for fucking derps with mistaken notions about the world. 1565509;1478796510;mircea_popescu;because where is there this wise 22yo woman ffs. 1565510;1478796532;asciilifeform;hence the babylon example. picture chix with 0 hollywood exposure. 1565511;1478796567;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure this would help. i have a huge helping of "innocent barbarians" right here, and the obvious solution is for them to... first eat up 50 years of hollywood then we'll talk. 1565512;1478796611;mircea_popescu;i have no use for americana, yes. but the only way 3rd world shitholes can become even vaguely digestibles is throuigh a lot of americana. 1565513;1478796621;mircea_popescu;just like stone age man still has to do iron age, even if we're not doing iron age anymore. 1565514;1478796656;asciilifeform;i dunno that there exist on planet3 'innocent barbarian' 1565515;1478796665;mircea_popescu;or ever existed. 1565516;1478796668;asciilifeform;they all grew in cultural vacuum created by sucking black hole of americana. 1565517;1478796689;mircea_popescu;and before that it was british corrupting influence as per byron. and before that etc. 1565518;1478796710;mircea_popescu;"cornell university students held a cry-in" ahahaha epic. 1565519;1478796715;mircea_popescu;and so very adequate too. 1565520;1478796868;asciilifeform;from same fishwrap, 'But post-election, there were a bunch of tweets from people saying they thought California should secede from the union, and so #CalExit became a thing to cover. Here's the thing about this particular secession movement—it is utterly oblivious to the ideological diversity within the state, thanks to the wholesale Democratic domination of the government due to population density in urban coastal communities. Cal 1565521;1478796868;asciilifeform;ifornia is "blue" because electoral votes are an all-or-nothing thing. In reality, Donald Trump got about 3 million of the 9 million votes cast for president in California. Those votes for Trump don't matter, though. ' 1565522;1478796915;mircea_popescu;more importantly : how the fuck "calexit" being on twitter makes it "a thing to cover" ? 1565523;1478796933;mircea_popescu;nobody asks this. who the fuck cares what is on twitter ? and what difference does twitter make ? 1565524;1478796970;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-09#1564895 << see also 1565525;1478796970;a111;Logged on 2016-11-09 20:30 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/1fqR8 << 'And it’s our duty and our responsibility as entrepreneurs, as citizens of the f—— world, to make sure that s— does not happen. ' 1565526;1478796985;mircea_popescu;to quote 2015 : http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-i-ended-up-suing-phoenix-nap-llc-on-how-ira-r-cadwells-mom-stephanies-going-to-lose-her-chula-vista-home-on-how-marcus-bohn-is-going-to-catch-a-lot-of-shit-for-that-on-assorted-othe/#selection-193.627-217.246 1565527;1478797018;asciilifeform;how did that go btw ? 1565528;1478797019;mircea_popescu;i suppose it was ok for the reddit hordes to not read that. because why ? and i suppose it was acceptable for college kids to NOT LEARN IT. since when is self-directed education a thing ? and why would it be ? 1565529;1478797033;mircea_popescu;i say it, it's mandatory for them. nobody cares if they like it or not, or understand it or not. wtf is this, lalaland ? 1565530;1478797038;asciilifeform;( was there a trial ? ) 1565531;1478797048;mircea_popescu;a trial ? 1565532;1478797058;asciilifeform;well yes, linked piece concerned suing some derp 1565533;1478797068;mircea_popescu;ah. settled. 1565534;1478797079;asciilifeform;lol neato 1565535;1478797080;mircea_popescu;trials ftr, in commercial matter, are less than 0.1% of cases 1565536;1478797123;asciilifeform;this we learn in kindergarten, yes, but i somehow pictured that mircea_popescu wanted to make a spectacle . 1565537;1478797135;mircea_popescu;meh. 1565538;1478797143;mircea_popescu;does it appear to you i'm in any kind of short supply ? 1565539;1478797184;asciilifeform;i suppose -- not. 1565540;1478797232;mircea_popescu;multe flori sunt, dar putine rod in lume au sa poarte ; toate bat la poarta vietii, dar se scrutur multe, moarte. 1565541;1478797256;mircea_popescu;ie, there's flowers, of which few will carry fruit into the world ; they all knock on life's door, then most wither, dead. 1565542;1478797454;mircea_popescu;also, for fairness/completeness : if you actually go to trial over a minor commercial case where a reasonable settlement offer is on the table (provided you somehow find a lawyer to do this which is not actually trivial) the judge will throw molotov cocktails at you. 1565543;1478797504;asciilifeform;settlement is a poor punishment imho for the type of derp discussed in the piece 1565544;1478797504;mircea_popescu;moreover, commercial litigation is bundled/sold/bought as so much negotiable paper. it's almost never the original parties that are involved, much like your 20 bux for a boxed cd set dun go to the artist. 1565545;1478797518;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure i agree even with that much. 1565546;1478797518;asciilifeform;it's a midnight jailyard hanging, not public guillotine 1565547;1478797540;mircea_popescu;consider you're running an isp. what do you do ? 1565548;1478797560;asciilifeform;you might read mircea_popescu's piece and think 'aaah he never said how this ended, i am safe in my idiocy' 1565549;1478797641;mircea_popescu;nono. let's go through this story because the republic's failure to create an isp is one of the largest stains on its cheek, so i'm sure the discussion will be instructive. 1565550;1478797645;PeterL;from comments on link I posted a minute ago: "Any college receiving public funding - what college doesen't?- should have their funding immediately frozen if they don't take an immediate, corrective action." < seems commenters have the same idea as mircea_popescu 1565551;1478797648;mircea_popescu;you're making an isp. what do you do ? 1565552;1478797672;mircea_popescu;PeterL too bad nobody is reading / has read trilema for the past however many years. hurr. 1565553;1478797709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you rethink making isp, because isp is 'a castle'. 1565554;1478797728;asciilifeform;unless you can figure out how to put it on mars. 1565555;1478797729;mircea_popescu;uh. so i should punish random derp for ... living in where ? and if he wants to move i tell him to go where ? 1565556;1478797753;asciilifeform;iirc the dispute concerned a derp who enforced a nonexistent dmca claim 1565557;1478797757;mircea_popescu;moreover, you say money is not adequate punishment ? take me through the margins, explain this to me. 1565558;1478797778;asciilifeform;collecting fine ~secretly~ is not a proper imho punishment. 1565559;1478797786;asciilifeform;you punish offenders -- ~publicly~. 1565560;1478797805;asciilifeform;that is, if the aim is 'educational', rather than simple pest control. 1565561;1478797810;mircea_popescu;no, actually, it concerned an isp which, like any other isp, can't afford to actually pay a lawyer to read all the legalse spam being thrown their way. the guilty party here is the state of california, as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524561 1565562;1478797810;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 17:18 mircea_popescu: (short version : lawyer lobby added law on books that allows them to sue anything that doesn't have a warning label on ; there's 0 enforcement from anyone but the lawyer mafia ; and for that matter no penalty for mislabeling anything ; consequently all of california is today a huge sticker reading "this item is known to the state of california to cause cancer") 1565563;1478797820;mircea_popescu;and going to trial in california is no sort of punishment of the state of california. 1565564;1478797830;asciilifeform;ah then yes. 1565565;1478797847;asciilifeform;this was not the implication in the original piece tho. 1565566;1478797859;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is going to be somehow able to charge enough for servers to pay some dude 150 an hour to read random crapolade copy/pasted by nobody on the internet ? 1565567;1478797865;asciilifeform;(it was more of a 'liberast derp eagerly enforced nonexistent claim for personal lulz', approx) 1565568;1478797879;mircea_popescu;(which is EXACTLY what happened, random canadian fraudster lied in an email. which you know - clinton is still not in jail for) 1565569;1478797900;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quotes ? 1565570;1478797996;asciilifeform;oh hm, huesmann was not working for isp 1565571;1478798000;*;asciilifeform goes, rereads. 1565572;1478798043;mircea_popescu;nope, just another anodyne "social media" tard who really really thinks he can do things. and who - exact mirror of the trump situation - manages to hurt the people who credit him and no one else. 1565573;1478798096;asciilifeform;revisiting upstack , isp in the traditional sense, as i understand it , is 'castle' 1565574;1478798113;asciilifeform;i.e. glued to the fiatdom(s) in which it physically runs. 1565575;1478798157;mircea_popescu;http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2012/03/shame.html << great read on this topic, btw. grep for "and the risk of sex addiction isn't that you contact a disease, it's that you spread the disease." 1565576;1478798161;asciilifeform;ergo 'sane isp' reduces to 'sane bank' 1565577;1478798173;mircea_popescu;exactly same issue with "progressive" pseudo-thought : the people they most hurt are the people who try to most help them. 1565578;1478798214;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in a very theoretical principle, this. the mechanisms involved in the practical discussion, however, aren't nearly there. just simple cash starvation, "why is roach motel full of roaches!" "because you're paying $8 a night" 1565579;1478798247;mircea_popescu;"why is there ddos ?" "did you want cheap internet or didn't you ?" 1565580;1478798270;asciilifeform;this'd be more of a 'why does restaurant kitchen have mice, looksy, intel's fab floor doesn't' 'are you ready to pay $50,000 a gram for the potato?' 1565581;1478798270;trinque;it sounds like asciilifeform is making a mercernaries vs soldiers distinction 1565582;1478798286;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1565583;1478798290;trinque;*mercenaries 1565584;1478798349;mircea_popescu;trinque i had soldier isp back in the porn days (when it was "unacceptable" to the squares, but little going to jail over fucking girls in girly make-up to vomit was unthinkable). 1565585;1478798455;asciilifeform;incidentally one major role of usgtronic 'dns' etc. is to make isp jurisdiction-hopping gnarlier. 1565586;1478798516;asciilifeform;(if memorable-name-whateverthefuck manipulation took 3 milliseconds and cost 0, it would be trivial to move warez site as often as you like) 1565587;1478798525;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/mKmWM incidentally. 1565588;1478798566;mircea_popescu;imagine that dumb shit, "apologizing for offending the people of florida". 1565589;1478798609;asciilifeform;they wanted, i guess, the kulak's hoard. 1565590;1478798619;mircea_popescu;eh he had like, a house. barely middle class. 1565591;1478798626;asciilifeform;nah, the bezzlars 1565592;1478798638;mircea_popescu;coupla mil, whatever, nothing notable. 1565593;1478798639;asciilifeform;conveniently denominated in non-sendable-to-binladen usd. 1565594;1478798656;mircea_popescu;no, they just wanted max hardcore to apologize to the fuckwits. which is HOW this entire "cornell cry-in" thing got started 1565595;1478798664;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kulak is by definition not a global notable. 1565596;1478798668;mircea_popescu;it's 10+ years in the making, and it was made out of dumb shit like this originally. 1565597;1478798670;asciilifeform;just a neigbourhood envy magnet. 1565598;1478798677;mircea_popescu;as if it makes the first whit of difference that someone's offended. pssshhh 1565599;1478798736;mircea_popescu;!!up GustaveGold 1565600;1478798736;deedbot;GustaveGold voiced for 30 minutes. 1565601;1478798748;mircea_popescu;and the "eh, THE COUNTRY" delusional notion one can live in the us is entirely fuelled by the 20+ years of max hardcore shooting his repugnant shit undisturbed. 1565602;1478798755;GustaveGold;good evening 1565603;1478798759;mircea_popescu;hello. 1565604;1478798763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: any idea whether 'hardcore' did his entire time ? or was let go on appeal. 1565605;1478798775;mircea_popescu;old man, i imagine what all other old men do. 1565606;1478798785;GustaveGold;was reading the logs since a while and trilema itself 1565607;1478798803;GustaveGold;am fascinated 1565608;1478798816;GustaveGold;just wanted to get it live 1565609;1478798819;mircea_popescu;i also imagine the girls are still paying him visits, incredibly enough i guess he was actually well liked by the talent (unlike much more "upstanding" producers for instance) 1565610;1478798825;mircea_popescu;GustaveGold good for you, register your key. 1565611;1478798843;GustaveGold;will do very soon, thank you 1565612;1478799026;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik there are even today occasional trials of 'pornographers' in usa, these are normally bones thrown to 'christian' electorate. 1565613;1478799081;asciilifeform;and now that you said it, it makes sense to me, the envy is of the harem, not the usd. 1565614;1478799117;mircea_popescu;understand, up until that point he was periodically raided and the charges hung the jury / got dismissed. i use the 2005 govt raid / 2007 indictment to date the end of the vhs america in the practical sense - it went from larry flynt being the hero to paul little being the heel. 1565615;1478799133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you ever saw any of his material ? 1565616;1478799139;asciilifeform;dun think so 1565617;1478799224;mircea_popescu;the typical max hardcore shot is, short woman who's a new face (unlike you know, stoya, distinctive pornstar, who everyone instantly recognizes) in garish 12 yo make-up (you know, the thick, deeply cloroed stuff they sell in gas stations in the south) saying she's 12, playing the dumb soubrette, being assfucked, fisted, spit on, drinking piss out of her own anus via intubation etc. 1565618;1478799258;asciilifeform;yeah, haven't seen. 1565619;1478799274;asciilifeform;did not until now even know about '12 makeup'. 1565620;1478799297;mircea_popescu;i very much doubt average taxpayer could distinguish samples from actual outrageous abuse. which obviously in terms of artform is a compliment ; but in practical terms it's ever so dangerous. 1565621;1478799313;asciilifeform;i do recall this being a prblem with that italian dude 1565622;1478799320;asciilifeform;who filmed the 'impalement' scene 1565623;1478799324;asciilifeform;with clever bicycle saddle 1565624;1478799329;mircea_popescu;which makes paul little both notable and an artist, exactly in the way of say dali ; and unlike all the other dorks and philisitnes ever involved (yours truly included) 1565625;1478799332;asciilifeform;he was put on trial for murder 1565626;1478799347;asciilifeform;and had to march in the gurl to prove she had not been impaled.. 1565627;1478799351;mircea_popescu;heh 1565628;1478799356;asciilifeform;recall his name ? 1565629;1478799360;asciilifeform;it escapes me 1565630;1478799391;mircea_popescu;do you mean http://trilema.com/2013/cannibal-holocaust/ ? 1565631;1478799404;asciilifeform;yes!! 1565632;1478799406;asciilifeform;it. 1565633;1478799415;mircea_popescu;aha. 1565634;1478799449;mircea_popescu;scene was so influential might and magic vi - for blood and honor contains a reconstruction. 1565635;1478799502;asciilifeform;modern folk do secretly long for ancient world, where the palette still had all of the colours 1565636;1478799510;asciilifeform;and not idiot cga 4. 1565637;1478799549;mircea_popescu;this is not unlike modern tgv traveler who longs for ancient train, where landscape was distinguishable not a blur. and you could spot foxes from the carriage. 1565638;1478799556;mircea_popescu;well... do you want it to go fast or don't you ? 1565639;1478799563;mircea_popescu;do you wish the power of the internets or don't you. etc. 1565640;1478799610;asciilifeform;nobody said that all appetites were compatible with reality. 1565641;1478799617;mircea_popescu;quite. 1565642;1478799637;mircea_popescu;and if today we were to make slave republic, the result won't be you know, this is the island of slave republic, mthat is the island of progressive empire, that is the etc. 1565643;1478799651;mircea_popescu;no, the result will be a bunch of billions of idiots doing stupid shit to innocent women that happen to be around 1565644;1478799654;mircea_popescu;ie, exactly like now. 1565645;1478800057;asciilifeform;re the trains, i also recall reading of a similar dissatisfaction with 'modern' (sealed cabin) airplane, vs classic one 1565646;1478800065;asciilifeform;'it dun FEEL fast!111' 1565647;1478800101;asciilifeform;mainly the fault of parallax, anyone who has sat in a passenger plane will notice the ground, when visible, moves so very slowly. 1565648;1478800118;asciilifeform;but in old-fashioned death pod, 'fast!11' 1565649;1478800212;mircea_popescu;aha 1565650;1478800213;asciilifeform;(the other thing that moves very slowly in passenger ship is the queue at the 911port. but that is a more recent thing.) 1565651;1478800236;mircea_popescu;also entirely bush-usg thing. has nothing to do with anything but the insanity. 1565652;1478800267;asciilifeform;was quite same in, say, germany, last i was there 1565653;1478800288;mircea_popescu;because coming-going to mordor. 1565654;1478800294;asciilifeform;that'd be it. 1565655;1478800295;mircea_popescu;go to istanbul sometime, for instance. 1565656;1478800331;mircea_popescu;watch those people process > 1k travellers/minute ; watch yourself get through the single file immigrations queue within ~12 minutes, as a new airbus/boeing lands every OTHER minute dumping 500 more people behind you. 1565657;1478800334;asciilifeform;it would not astonish me if after recent 'snackbar' event at their airport, it will begin to resemble baltimore's 1565658;1478800340;mircea_popescu;i was not impressed with anything quote so much that year. 1565659;1478801109;asciilifeform;to again revisit upstack, i would like to hear what mircea_popescu pictures would be a 'tmsr isp' . 1565660;1478801130;asciilifeform;because as i understand subj, this circle ain't squarable. 1565661;1478801210;asciilifeform;(for approx. same reason that there is not , at least in modern era, open, brazen, ru warez ftp; or even north kr warez.) 1565662;1478803609;asciilifeform;in other lulz: 1565663;1478803613;asciilifeform;'"If Ms. Rodham's not in the White House, that's okay — one of those girls is going to be,” she said. “We still have millions of nasty women who aren't going away.”' 1565664;1478804969;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/hBFcT >> 'President-Elect Donald Trump’s advisers are considering JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Officer Jamie Dimon for Treasury secretary, CNBC reported, citing two people familiar with the matter. Dimon isn’t interested, one of the people told CNBC.' 1565665;1478807500;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform take bitbet for isntance. "we never kept logs" "no really we did" "fuck you. too late." 1565666;1478807538;asciilifeform;upstream 'l3', 'at&t', etc. stoolies, keep whatever log they like. 1565667;1478807546;mircea_popescu;and obviously. nobody is interested in civil service. 1565668;1478807549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. 1565669;1478807589;asciilifeform;'cuckoldtronic' isp as suggested not long ago by mircea_popescu , with the virii, is viable. 1565670;1478807594;asciilifeform;traditional isp - meh 1565671;1478807620;mircea_popescu;look, at issue is not whether you want to do it or why. at issue is that much like opening a pizzeria, there is this thing called an isp. 1565672;1478807666;asciilifeform;the part that isn't clear to me is how it can be simultaneously -- a) 'tmsr'-friendly b) not owned & operated by a meat sovereign 1565673;1478807740;mircea_popescu;is your house ? 1565674;1478807742;asciilifeform;it looks to me as moar of a coca plantation and narcosub shipyard than pizzeria. 1565675;1478807774;asciilifeform;house isn't trying to serve 13333333337w4r3z by the petabyte, neh? 1565676;1478807775;mircea_popescu;dude... your pretense is very fascinating in theory ; but in practice you somehow manage to make an unprincipled exception which apparently is entirely mysterious to you. 1565677;1478807778;mircea_popescu;is your house ? 1565678;1478807801;asciilifeform;house is unmolested because uninteresting. 1565679;1478807807;mircea_popescu;how does your house both house you and also is not operated by a sovereign ? 1565680;1478807816;asciilifeform;isp -- interesting. unless i vastly misunderstand what mircea_popescu meant by 'isp'. 1565681;1478807823;mircea_popescu;nevermind that. HOW DOES YOUR HOUSE BOTH HOUSE YOU AND ETC. 1565682;1478807835;*;asciilifeform straps on gas mask 1565683;1478807839;mircea_popescu;"by me ignoring the matter". "fine. so ignore it for isp too." 1565684;1478807846;mircea_popescu;no, do me a favour and take OFF the gas mask. 1565685;1478807850;asciilifeform;it ignores, and gets blackholed, then you need new one 1565686;1478807857;mircea_popescu;the one you keep on every day so you can carry on with the nonsense. 1565687;1478807862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ie exactly like your house ? hurr! 1565688;1478807872;mircea_popescu;if you get kicked out... you'll need another one ? 1565689;1478807909;mircea_popescu;it's a fascinating thing that you don't give up on housing on this (gabriel laddel does - and you don't realise he is for the reason better than you ON YOUR OWN TERMS) but do give up on computer hosting for this. 1565690;1478807913;asciilifeform;'spam isp' is an actual thing, they live, die. my (nonexpert) impression is that the business model is only barely +ev. sorta resembles (btc) mine. 1565691;1478807921;mircea_popescu;because hey, the dick that's not up my ass this moment never existed or somesuch. 1565692;1478807975;asciilifeform;and diogenes in turn beat the shit out of g. laddel..!1111 1565693;1478808003;asciilifeform;and buddha, supposedly, even moar. 1565694;1478808048;mircea_popescu;so then. your arbitrary line is at "i will have house but not isp". his line is at "i will not have house or isp". 1565695;1478808056;mircea_popescu;mine happens to be at "i'll have house and isp and other things too." 1565696;1478808065;mircea_popescu;purely arbitrary, there's no principled argument to be had here. 1565697;1478808099;asciilifeform;at any rate, i'd like to see 'tmsr isp' just as much as anyone. but the lack of berserkers willing to subsist on crumbs for ~0 ev, doing largely ~uninteresting and difficult chore, solely in the name of tmsr, is not mega-puzzle. 1565698;1478808112;mircea_popescu;unlike everyone else. 1565699;1478808166;mircea_popescu;this is pure elliotism, "the lack of women willing to marry poor people is not mega-puzzle". 1565700;1478808167;asciilifeform;one component that would vastly simplify the job is gossip net. 1565701;1478808173;mircea_popescu;it isn't, especially as most women marry poor people. 1565702;1478808190;asciilifeform;such that one would not need heavy boxes, only relays. 1565703;1478808210;mircea_popescu;the solving a problem by pretending the problem doesn't exist, in whatever flavour may the pretense come, is not solving anything. 1565704;1478808250;asciilifeform;isn't this kinda how mircea_popescu proposes to solve the problem of isp compulsion by meat sovereigns ? 'pretend not problem' 1565705;1478808259;mircea_popescu;i said ignore it. 1565706;1478808278;mircea_popescu;ie, declare usg impotent and act accordingly. "oh, they'll shut you down" "whatever, i'll open another". 1565707;1478808281;mircea_popescu;"fifty." 1565708;1478808296;mircea_popescu;that's exactly how you solve the problem of housing yourself. you declare the "alf non-housing board" impotent. 1565709;1478808296;asciilifeform;the distinction between 'march, men, into machine gun fire, plug embrasure with your sorry arse' and 'pretend no machine gun' is perhaps too subtle for my orc brain 1565710;1478808318;asciilifeform;at any rate, the 'plug embrasure' approach -- worx 1565711;1478808323;mircea_popescu;if it is you have serious problems with thought generally. the second is two things. 1565712;1478808373;mircea_popescu;ignoring machine gun is a matter of action ; pretending no machine gun is a matter of thought. might as well not understand the difference between camming and dating. 1565713;1478808411;asciilifeform;how did it go, 'courageous man is afraid, only idiot is not afraid' 1565714;1478808432;*;asciilifeform possibly grasps 1565715;1478808491;asciilifeform;the other thing, also from mircea_popescu's toolkit, that'd make this readily work, is the meta-isp thing 1565716;1478808515;mircea_popescu;as per usual, when i talk of something it's not "undoable", whatever it may look like. 1565717;1478808536;asciilifeform;going to mars -- is doable. but not by simply jumping vigorously. 1565718;1478808543;asciilifeform;gotta invent the pieces. 1565719;1478808544;mircea_popescu;the problem, predictably, is that we have dedicated cs people and very loosely associated everyone-elses. 1565720;1478808576;mircea_popescu;pretty much everyone who doesn't lisp still harbords some sort of hope he'll you know, contribute to republic ON HIS OWN TERMS. hence pete_dushenski 's log-line ref bombings, because hey, maybe he's a little me or something. 1565721;1478808656;asciilifeform;'own terms' is a sin. 1565722;1478808693;asciilifeform;'в чужой монастырь...' 1565723;1478808877;PeterL;does mircea_popescu do lisp? 1565724;1478809200;mircea_popescu;not worth the mention 1565725;1478809698;asciilifeform;peter I ~did~ build a ship at some point. (but it is not for what he is remembered..) 1565726;1478810084;mircea_popescu;i remember him for it. 1565727;1478810139;asciilifeform;lel, i apparently -- also. 1565728;1478811105;Framedragger;for the logs - nothing new - but was a nice short summary - http://softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/questions/221615/why-do-dynamic-languages-make-it-more-difficult-to-maintain-large-codebases/221658#221658 - regarding JS: 1565729;1478811105;Framedragger;1) preamble: "[...] there is a strong correlation between a language being 1565730;1478811115;Framedragger; dynamically typed and a language also lacking all the other facilities that make lowering the cost of maintaining a large codebase easier" 1565731;1478811116;Framedragger;2) "Let's take JavaScript for example. 1565732;1478811121;Framedragger;(I worked on the original versions of JScript at Microsoft from 1996 through 2001.) The by-design purpose of JavaScript was to make the monkey dance when you moused over it. Scripts were often a single line. We considered ten line scripts to be pretty normal, hundred line scripts to be huge, and thousand line scripts were unheard of. 1565733;1478811124;Framedragger;The language was absolutely not designed for programming in the large, and our implementation decisions, performance targets, and so on, were based on that assumption. [Goes on to show just how insanely dynamic JS is, and how it's mostly suitable for one-liners, etc.]" 1565734;1478811185;asciilifeform;javascript does not exemplify anything -- other than the consequences of letting idiot 'esl' teenagers create infrastructure. 1565735;1478811194;asciilifeform;and certainly not 'dynamic languages'. 1565736;1478811195;Framedragger;web shitstack sits on a language designed and implemented in 10 days 1565737;1478811200;Framedragger;for sure. 1565738;1478811249;asciilifeform;it is a sucking blackhole of idiocy, so strong that anyone who has dealt with it in any serious capacity is contaminated 1565739;1478811252;Framedragger;it's a shame that large part of 'infrastructure' is built and run by those teenagers. then again maybe it shouldn't even be counted to be part of anything. 1565740;1478811271;asciilifeform;and, while the illness may be curable, it is rather like serious alcoholism, leaves its mark, cannot be forgotten. 1565741;1478811282;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i'm with the "Shouldn't even be counted" side. 1565742;1478811284;asciilifeform;it is part of nothing . 1565743;1478811300;asciilifeform;will be swept away, like dust on a car in autumn. 1565744;1478811322;Framedragger;i remember having to debug frontend code (which i wasn't supposed to touch in the first place), looked at JS exceptions, didn't make any sense, until realized that it was "compiled from coffeescript". asked "lead frontend engineer" how do i debug, he said he'll check and sort it himself, "it's not really debuggable". OK. 1565745;1478811372;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565725 << I thought this was a reply to me, was so confused for a minute 1565746;1478811372;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 20:28 asciilifeform: peter I ~did~ build a ship at some point. (but it is not for what he is remembered..) 1565747;1478811374;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ya i figured.. i mean, it's a pile o' nothing, can't argue with that. 1565748;1478811412;asciilifeform;worse than 'nothing', it is one of those deeply evil creations of idiotkind that make one stupider just by CONTACT 1565749;1478811441;Framedragger;ikr. that's what it did to me when i had to debug it. ugh 1565750;1478811802;phf;Framedragger: "lead frontend engineer" didn't know about source maps? 1565751;1478811910;Framedragger;phf: in truth, not sure if coffeescript had source maps back then 1565752;1478811970;Framedragger;still though, not exactly much of an answer. (it was a small web shop, granted, but yes ridiculous title) 1565753;1478812150;trinque;my survival strategy with webshit has always been to heretically do as little as possible client-side 1565754;1478813655;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/kids-born-after-the-world-went-to-shit-arent-progressive-theyre-just-lazy/ << Trilema - Kids born after the world went to shit aren't progressive. They're just lazy. 1565755;1478816570;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/Shq9z << in vague lulz : romanian immigrant (from small town in romania's own rust belt) living in az and working as a rent-a-cop voted trump. his declared principal issue : "the stability of world peace". 1565756;1478818229;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: ya, i can take it easy on the barfbombs. am also taking ug cs course to fill in the holes in my education. not likely to lisp anytime this decade but working towards being a more useful citizen of the republic. bbet seemed like potential avenue. your ancient suggestion to serve as marketing agent for tmsr-related entities isn't forgotten but meatwot obligations currently prevent its pursuit, 1565757;1478818231;pete_dushenski;if not indefinitely so. lastly, if i had who else to emulate, i... would. but taleb's a bit of a hermit and i have nfi who else (alive) that leaves. 1565758;1478818251;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFcVcXQqzZg << and now one for diebold fans, eg. asciilifeform 1565759;1478818255;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski mind that the point isn't by any means to turn everyone into a cs head. those are probably oversupplied. 1565760;1478818284;mircea_popescu;the point however IS to get people to do things that ... well, "out of confort zone" is the common expression, but it's unserviceable for at least two reasons. 1565761;1478818295;mircea_popescu;just do things. especially the things that are big and scary. that'd be a better statement. 1565762;1478818440;pete_dushenski;i'm a bit far behind to be a total cs head anyways, just trying to keep up with some of the convos. 1565763;1478818499;pete_dushenski;as to scary things, i can see it. and believe it or not i'm doing just this on meatspace projects. just have to kill a few dragons to get to the (republican) princess. 1565764;1478818535;mircea_popescu;how it usually works. 1565765;1478818991;mircea_popescu;"Of course I'm not happy about this, I like smart people, but that's the new reality. There was a time where women went to college to get an MRS degree, and I am telling you that that time is today, there is nothing else of value in there. Sure, some college women go on to become doctors and CEOs, and some go on to become child pornographers and Salon writers, none of those things have anything to do with what happened in c 1565766;1478818991;mircea_popescu;ollege. If you are going to college to get an education and not to meet guys, you are insane, literally insane, delusional, in reality one is never going to happen and the other is going to happen anyway, and you could have gotten both for free at a bookstore. Worked for me. The only question for the future single mom is whether it's worth $XXXXXX a year to meet guys, and the answer is of course it's not, even nightclubs l 1565767;1478818991;mircea_popescu;et ladies in for free." 1565768;1478818998;mircea_popescu;i am totally lost in a sea of tlp again, send help 1565769;1478819814;asciilifeform;lol i recall that one, it was one of the smoke bombs he threw to make readers think he were a chick 1565770;1478819835;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1565771;1478819852;asciilifeform;the quoted bit 1565772;1478819875;mircea_popescu;why would he want anyone to think he';s a chick ? 1565773;1478819883;asciilifeform;nfi 1565774;1478819896;mircea_popescu;so then wut lol 1565775;1478819926;asciilifeform;it worked on asciilifeform and bunch of other chumps 1565776;1478819964;mircea_popescu;let's try this again. on what is your notion that "he threw to make readers think he were a chick" based ? 1565777;1478819975;asciilifeform;my arse 1565778;1478819991;mircea_popescu;ic 1565779;1478820079;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565762 << veeeery few of these were > 4th grade level , pete_dushenski 1565780;1478820079;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 22:54 pete_dushenski: i'm a bit far behind to be a total cs head anyways, just trying to keep up with some of the convos. 1565781;1478820143;pete_dushenski;the shit ?! i went to french immersion not cs immersion!!!1 1565782;1478820171;pete_dushenski;i dun think i went to cs elementary yet 1565783;1478820208;asciilifeform;lel i'm in a diner and there's a screen showing continued protest derpage 1565784;1478820216;asciilifeform;should've went 1565785;1478820276;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i meant, very few threads used maths above basic algebra to follow 1565786;1478820370;*;asciilifeform bbl 1565787;1478820374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point you elude here is that education is not so much about gaining things as it is about losing them. it's like washing not like book implants. 1565788;1478820426;mircea_popescu;"theory of relativity used no math beyond highschool, so why didn't you come up with it" is a horrible reason to beat up your teenager some night in 1915. 1565789;1478820446;mircea_popescu;i'm aware that technically it would qualify as olympiad subject matter for that reason ; but still. 1565790;1478822196;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << for your entomological pleasure, this is an example of an elementary cs discussion that intrigues me and i ~want~ to understand yet requires afaics zero math. the logs abound with other examples of 'this language does this but not that and is therefore better suited for the other thing' that i (perhaps naively) deem valuable despite not having a ready application 1565791;1478822196;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 14:52 phf: and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate. 1565792;1478822198;pete_dushenski;for the knowledge in my kulak lyf. 1565793;1478822219;pete_dushenski;^ asciilifeform for when you return. 1565794;1478822380;pete_dushenski;anyways, phf's line is but one example. the corpse that was my 'trb history' should serve as the only proof required that i have deeply nfi which way is up in the cs field and that is has ~zero to do with maths. 1565795;1478822498;pete_dushenski;in other news, usg doesn't want to call michigan for trump or what ? final tally will be 306-228. 1565796;1478822734;jurov;pete_dushenski: i have soi-dissant master degree in cs, but actually learned everything important outside of school by tinkering and reading 1565797;1478822942;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565790 << word 'cs' threw me off. subj of thread was, apparently: plumbing. 1565798;1478822942;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 23:56 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << for your entomological pleasure, this is an example of an elementary cs discussion that intrigues me and i ~want~ to understand yet requires afaics zero math. the logs abound with other examples of 'this language does this but not that and is therefore better suited for the other thing' that i (perhaps naively) deem valuable despite not having a ready application 1565799;1478822986;pete_dushenski;jurov: ya not saying formal education is the be all and end all, far from it (hell, i'm even reluctant to register 'resp' for chiltin), just that, if done well, it can provide a framework for further learning. otherwise its markov chains with no grounding. 1565800;1478822986;trinque;lel 1565801;1478822997;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha. might've guessed as much. 1565802;1478823015;trinque;more advisable would be to pick a thing to build, and then beat yourself against this problem until either breaks 1565803;1478823016;asciilifeform;plumbing is not difficult in the intellectual sense. but is question of how much shit you can stand to be soaked in. 1565804;1478823020;trinque;^ 1565805;1478823033;jurov;pete_dushenski: i have my doubts about that framework 1565806;1478823065;trinque;ftr I am a college dropout, and it turns out books from the 80s can still be had. 1565807;1478823075;trinque;and further back, even! 1565808;1478823079;mircea_popescu;what did you drop out of ? 1565809;1478823081;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: hm. can't say that my monastic existence necessarily welcomes shit soaking, but... higher (republican) callings must prevail! 1565810;1478823091;trinque;mircea_popescu: CS/EE full scholarship 1565811;1478823100;mircea_popescu;heh. 1565812;1478823117;pete_dushenski;jurov: how so ? 1565813;1478823168;jurov;pete_dushenski: hardest subject revolved around reimplementing unix innards 1565814;1478823185;jurov;(aside from math) 1565815;1478823191;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/xjsRl << delicious 'carbon' squirming. 1565816;1478823224;asciilifeform;jurov: same at my uni. 1565817;1478823247;jurov;no lisp. no datastructures. no assigned reading of knuth and such giants 1565818;1478823262;pete_dushenski;jurov: ok. then what did you learn after that was a better framework ? 1565819;1478823272;trinque;jurov: I would've stayed in the school that taught those. 1565820;1478823273;*;pete_dushenski has knuth on shelf. for when. 1565821;1478823423;trinque;pete_dushenski: peculiarities of python string handling are really only interesting entomologically 1565822;1478823426;jurov;heh, don't know what to answer. still learning 1565823;1478823459;mircea_popescu;trinque but the fundamental problems with the concept of "string" aren't. 1565824;1478823488;mircea_popescu;hence why it's a matter of washing not of getting implants. 1565825;1478823581;jurov;strings are fine, but the characters. noone knows what character is. 1565826;1478823612;mircea_popescu;the inuitive approach (oh ~obviously~ i know what a string is, just like when anne sexton writes in her spiral notebook amirite ?) utterly fails ; and even in the hands of very subtle thinkers it can explode loudly - witness the many day disagreement with alf over the matter of utf/ansi, which unearthed disputes all the way to the greek ikonoclasm and the fundaments of literacy/alphabet. 1565827;1478823654;mircea_popescu;jurov iknowright! "the economy is fine, we just don't know how any of the parts work. also we understand the brain and we sequenced the genome. btw the global warming" 1565828;1478823950;jurov;what in hindsight bewilders me most, nothing from quality applied computer science from space research found its way fo curriculum. we were basically learning from beancounters and pdp hackers. 1565829;1478824111;jurov;some examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Systems_Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRAKON 1565830;1478824149;mircea_popescu;certainly might explain why code bloat is so commonly the result of college-educated engineer employment. 1565831;1478824241;jurov;btw, coinbr parts are in drakon 1565832;1478824272;*;mircea_popescu has never seen used. 1565833;1478824339;mircea_popescu;oh the flowchart thing. i suspected it's what phf made the v charts with :p 1565834;1478824449;ben_vulpes;g-graphviz? 1565835;1478824471;jurov;heh no. you draw and fill in the flowchart and it generates code in usual language 1565836;1478824479;ben_vulpes;(re: phf's thing) 1565837;1478824489;ben_vulpes;yeah, drakon looks nifty. 1565838;1478824513;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i'm just messin'. 1565839;1478824527;ben_vulpes;ah 1565840;1478824538;ben_vulpes;suspected, hence the hesitant forth putting 1565841;1478824848;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/10/socially-responsible-investing-or-how-i-told-you-so-doesnt-pay-the-bills/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “Socially Responsible Investing”, or how I told you so doesn’t pay the bills. 1565842;1478825543;BingoBoingo; it's vaguely regrettable no one with an old dogde pick-up ran. then he could have driven it all the way over to the wh and park it on the lawn. << Naturally because I'd be replaceing the lawn with better grass. Make Grass Green Again! 1565843;1478825743;BingoBoingo; plumbing is not difficult in the intellectual sense. but is question of how much shit you can stand to be soaked in. << Also how to sweat connections without burning the shit out of surroundings 1565844;1478826273;*;pete_dushenski appreciates all the framework building, as ever, and is off to the mountains for the long weekend. cheers. 1565845;1478826305;mod6;c-ya 1565846;1478826495;asciilifeform;holy FUCK jurov programs in weird sovlang !? 1565847;1478826500;asciilifeform;does he also use refal ????? 1565848;1478826551;asciilifeform;(refal is what happened when su academics went 'they lisp? us too! but CATCH UP AND OUTRUN AMERIKKA' 1565849;1478826553;asciilifeform;) 1565850;1478826627;asciilifeform;but to go upstack --- i see, e.g., this, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Quicksort_DRAKON.png , and have nfi how the thing wins. 1565851;1478826665;asciilifeform;even 'labview', cosmetically similar, i can see how wins, it shortens 'ooda loop' to ~0 because the circuits can be tested in 'real time' with wysywyg blinkenlights. but this -- i've nfi. 1565852;1478826717;BingoBoingo;Seems obvious. Liberal america hasn't ruined it. 1565853;1478826730;asciilifeform;( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=202 << ooda loop ) 1565854;1478826808;mircea_popescu;i didn't make it that far, shipwrecked over the eat hamburger thing 1565855;1478826886;mircea_popescu;(laugh at me if you will at my homely simplicity, but to me that example is sufficient proof that the language is not practically useful. if even for the purpose of didactic example it requires the chicken-in-vacuum notion of an eating cycle which is based on hamburger quanta...) 1565856;1478826911;asciilifeform;btw in food shop bunch of 'dudebros' discussing tritler , were excellent comedy, went on and on, shaking hipsterbeards, re how 'it won't be so bad, he will still have to WORK WITH POLICY MAKERS TO MAKE POLICY ... [snipped buncha washingtonian rubbish] ... and CANNOT CANCEL INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS!' etc. 1565857;1478826960;mircea_popescu;lol. he's canceling paris, it's a done deal. 1565858;1478826965;asciilifeform;it is very difficult to convey how these people talk 1565859;1478826973;asciilifeform;very particular manner of speech 1565860;1478826975;mircea_popescu;(at least, everyone, literally, thinks he will, so the other participants won't partiicpate, so paris is dead. 1565861;1478826982;ben_vulpes;and the tpp too i hope! 1565862;1478826984;mircea_popescu;kerry is set for some pretty epic kerry-isms over in marakesh 1565863;1478826984;ben_vulpes;BURN EVERYTHING DOWN 1565864;1478827046;asciilifeform;'drakon' is best illustration i've seen yet for mircea_popescu's 'graphics are for tards' thing 1565865;1478827053;asciilifeform;the flow charts add 0 to the expressivity 1565866;1478827055;mircea_popescu;(guy's a primo idiot, should be the poster child of the whole "bureaucracy lost touch" thing. "here's a slapstick with a lot of facial reconstructive surgery") 1565867;1478827147;asciilifeform;the way a dctard pronounces word 'policy' is something that must be experienced with own ears. 1565868;1478827155;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ironically, that is not up to him. china decides there ; anyone who wants to keep their credit line will conform, and that includes the us. 1565869;1478827173;asciilifeform;it is spoken in such a way that implies that if 'policymakers' made 'policy' to this effect, electrons would cease to spin in their orbits 1565870;1478827180;asciilifeform;sun -- to rise, etc. 1565871;1478827185;mircea_popescu;china ~is~ extremely soft however, so they may permit. 1565872;1478827192;asciilifeform;the wetness of water, surely, subject also to POLICYMAKERS 1565873;1478827198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah they're pretty cute. 1565874;1478827236;ben_vulpes;"what is your policy policy?" 1565875;1478827262;mircea_popescu;does my latest header suck btw ? 1565876;1478827274;asciilifeform;it is great. gigantic gilded arse. 1565877;1478827285;mircea_popescu;lol k. 1565878;1478827292;asciilifeform;with massive gilded arseplug 1565879;1478827294;mircea_popescu;girl to the left is topless but sadly can't get it all in 1565880;1478827454;ben_vulpes;hm, this calls for a header contextual 1565881;1478827467;mircea_popescu;lol 1565882;1478827502;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565826 << almost any quasi-serious learning is about throwing nonsense out of one's head re 'i KNOW HOW IT WORX', whether 'i know how digestion works', 'money', 'arithmetic' 1565883;1478827502;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 00:20 mircea_popescu: the inuitive approach (oh ~obviously~ i know what a string is, just like when anne sexton writes in her spiral notebook amirite ?) utterly fails ; and even in the hands of very subtle thinkers it can explode loudly - witness the many day disagreement with alf over the matter of utf/ansi, which unearthed disputes all the way to the greek ikonoclasm and the fundaments of literacy/alphabet. 1565884;1478827535;asciilifeform;people come factory-standard with this penny in the fuse socket, 'i KNOW how...' 1565885;1478827545;mircea_popescu;quite. 1565886;1478827559;mircea_popescu;fucking irresponsible to encourage it in children. under any pretext. 1565887;1478827604;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: didja watch the circus i filmed ? got similar one in ben_vulpeslandia ? 1565888;1478827625;ben_vulpes;tried over coffee this morning 1565889;1478827632;asciilifeform;i heard that yours put mine to shame 1565890;1478827637;ben_vulpes;oh 'twas glorious 1565891;1478827646;ben_vulpes;they waltzed out onto i5, the corridor from mexico to canada 1565892;1478827653;mircea_popescu;<ben_vulpes> oh 'twat glorious << FTFY 1565893;1478827654;ben_vulpes;with the cops in front 1565894;1478827702;ben_vulpes;https://goo.gl/maps/rYFn5Qnf2f62 << this onramp, if intel serves 1565895;1478827745;asciilifeform;ours was some phantasmagoric sea of virginal j000 chixx, as if it were selection yard in commendant's office in chixschwitz 1565896;1478827768;mircea_popescu;what gave it away, the noses ? 1565897;1478827784;ben_vulpes;was there a particular timestamp of glory, asciilifeform ? 1565898;1478827803;mircea_popescu;(/me once said at party, to obvious female dressed as female etc, "i bet you have a huge schlong". everyone burst out laughing and she... well... left.) 1565899;1478827815;asciilifeform;lel 1565900;1478827829;mircea_popescu;huge fcuking schnautz. i mean immense. 1565901;1478827878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is a particular phenotype, lots of'em here for some reason, largely in 'university' for 'education' 1565902;1478827893;asciilifeform;well, in the womanities. 1565903;1478827941;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: no particular timestamp, but in the shorter segments, with the walking 1565904;1478827946;mircea_popescu;wtf why do us-jews spell shnotys as ... schnoz ?! 1565905;1478827953;mircea_popescu;noz ain't read like that ? wut ? 1565906;1478827962;asciilifeform;brooklynization ? 1565907;1478827967;mircea_popescu;but... but... 1565908;1478828123;mircea_popescu;it's שנויץ for the love of fuck. /ʃnawt͡s/. wtf is schnoz. 1565909;1478828166;ben_vulpes;oh cool 1565910;1478828170;ben_vulpes;healthcare tax went up twenty percent 1565911;1478828227;mircea_popescu;just ? 1565912;1478828242;mircea_popescu;also it's not a tax, wrecker. 1565913;1478828279;ben_vulpes;totally a tax 1565914;1478828285;ben_vulpes;commie 1565915;1478828294;mircea_popescu;lol 1565916;1478828357;mircea_popescu;make notatax great again! 1565917;1478828378;ben_vulpes;still not over that 50% threshold 1565918;1478828426;ben_vulpes;very few things beat winding up the girls, but winding up my parents over this miserable horseshit is fantabulously fun. 1565919;1478828455;ben_vulpes;"45% tax rate and i can't even discuss putting my kid in a public school with a straight face" 1565920;1478828504;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1565921;1478828515;ben_vulpes;oregon schools are notoriously bad 1565922;1478828517;mircea_popescu;how do you think you'll get your drugs in your old age if you don't give him a chance to learn the biz when he's young ? 1565923;1478828550;ben_vulpes;slander 1565924;1478828564;ben_vulpes;i have never done drugs 1565925;1478828570;mircea_popescu;ah, but you will! 1565926;1478828580;mircea_popescu;old people do drugs, it's an evolutionary biology fact. 1565927;1478828610;ben_vulpes;and pray tell what drugs would i need kids help procuring? 1565928;1478828648;mircea_popescu;when i was a kid, not going to public school was pretty much a public admission of mental retardation. "oh, poor ionescus, their kid has to go to that fingerpainting no grades private thing." 1565929;1478828674;ben_vulpes;over here you only go to public school if you can't afford the private ones 1565930;1478828689;mircea_popescu;i thought education was free. 1565931;1478828695;ben_vulpes;daycare -- free. 1565932;1478828706;mircea_popescu;motherfucker woman grabber making me pay for the human rights. 1565933;1478828710;ben_vulpes;even 12k a year if you want to spend it. 1565934;1478828715;ben_vulpes;education -- not available at any price. 1565935;1478829722;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/wgvMr << moar sv butthurt 1565936;1478829754;asciilifeform;'“While demeaning, insulting, and ridiculing minorities, immigrants, and the physically/mentally disabled worked for Mr. Trump, I want to be clear that this behavior -- and these views -- have no place at Grubhub,” Maloney explained. Adding, if it were up to him, Trump would have been fired a long time ago. "Had he worked here, many of his comments would have resulted in his immediate termination.”' 1565937;1478831396;mircea_popescu;wtf is grubhub 1565938;1478833725;mircea_popescu;ahahaha the new civil servant gang strategy : prosecute clinton a la vapeur so obama can pardon her and she gets double jeopardy protection. 1565939;1478834417;mircea_popescu;aaaand leonard cohen died. 1565940;1478835288;mod6;yeah, saw that :/ 1565941;1478835457;mircea_popescu;guy was old back when baez was young. 1565942;1478835518;mod6;ya 1565943;1478835793;mats;https://www.nrk.no/ytring/jeg-ble-voldtatt-av-en-mann-1.12852714 1565944;1478835882;mats;>I do not feel anger toward my assailant, for I see him most as a product of an unjust world. A product of an upbringing marked by war and deprivation. 1565945;1478835995;mats;how magnanimous 1565946;1478836283;trinque;Afraid that I'll be perceived as anti feminist << yes, deprived of the dulap. 1565947;1478836372;trinque;I don't fault him for his deep confusion; he's a born slave and has no one telling him what to do. 1565948;1478836382;BingoBoingo; ahahaha the new civil servant gang strategy : prosecute clinton a la vapeur so obama can pardon her and she gets double jeopardy protection. << It's alright. She can roam free while she watches the rest rot in jail starting with Huma Weiner. 1565949;1478836384;trinque;nothing coherent anyway 1565950;1478836545;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-31#1560575 << it is the same here. these creatures have precisely zero internality. they are built entirely for the input of commands. 1565951;1478836545;a111;Logged on 2016-10-31 15:12 mircea_popescu: very weird, the list of nonsense these people sprout. it's as if they have 0 reflexive capacity whatsoever, how am i supposed to distinguish google "ai" from some douche who spits out " Your style of just summarily shitting on how the author wrote this piece adds no value to the discussion." ? 1565952;1478836690;*;BingoBoingo has seen very few people despondent about Trumpreich, only a couple angry, and many "grudgingly" accepting while smiling. 1565953;1478836943;trinque;first first lady with nudes. what's not to like? 1565954;1478836961;trinque;thus dawns a new day, I tell ye 1565955;1478837006;trinque;speaking of good days, I received a shipment of 6 boxen for new payment related adventures today. 1565956;1478837157;trinque;amazing the things you can get for the cost of a couple pizzas if you hate "our" future 1565957;1478837983;mircea_popescu;wtf mats reads norse ? 1565958;1478838032;mats;i use google translate 1565959;1478838036;mircea_popescu;a 1565960;1478838070;mats;which, on the subject, is also really good with chinese now 1565961;1478838094;mircea_popescu;oh is it ? 1565962;1478838364;mats;https://research.googleblog.com/2016/09/a-neural-network-for-machine.html 1565963;1478838470;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/e43a6f38cfa64881f730bd405f674932/tumblr_mokr0iF1gI1rgcs3fo1_1280.jpg 1565964;1478838708;trinque;mats: what's so fancy about that page that even the text doesn't load without JS? 1565965;1478838726;trinque;I guess I'll never read anything they wrote again 1565966;1478838807;mats;trinque: http://dpaste.com/33BFW4N 1565967;1478838983;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/say-a-prayer/ << Trilema - Say a prayer... 1565968;1478845517;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/10/huffington-post-dnc-staffer-screams-donna-brazile-helping-elect-donald-trump/ << Prayer Answered 1565969;1478851994;ben_vulpes;rip lc 1565970;1478862574;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re. http://trilema.com/2015/trilema-burns/ : you write that "Apparently the EU is about as impotent in practice as its fame for impotence promises in theory" in response to you being able to search for that person on google.com.ar ; whereas that letter plainly states that "Only results on European versions of Google are affected." 1565971;1478862575;Framedragger; I am of course not disagreeing with the spirit of the matter, incl. regarding impotence etc. 1565972;1478863477;mircea_popescu;i don't get it, they lack the letters a and r on eu keyboards ? 1565973;1478863537;mircea_popescu;are you proposing that there's some sort of substance to an url, like "searching on google.com.ar" is somehow similar to "fucking girls in the alley behind the bar IN ROUEN rather than Bekescsaba" ? 1565974;1478863676;Framedragger;i'm sure that google did not want to do more than was required, so they made the effects visible on the "european" version of google, for european users (the latter identified by ip address or, if logged into google accounts, selected country there; or somesuch). 1565975;1478863706;mircea_popescu;there's exactly no relation between url and geolocation is there ? 1565976;1478863708;Framedragger;so yes it's super trivial, but then - .eu can't dictate google's search results for non-european customers 1565977;1478863733;mircea_popescu;in the end i'm not sure what you're saying. 1565978;1478863737;Framedragger;hmm 1565979;1478863756;mircea_popescu;"but mp, in the game they're playing this makes sense to them" "okay ?" 1565980;1478863768;Framedragger;i got confused. basically, i think a european customer would get the same (doctored) results if they ran a search on .ar. 1565981;1478863775;Framedragger;basically. 1565982;1478863776;mircea_popescu;nonsense. 1565983;1478863816;mircea_popescu;this is like saying a frenchman would see the internet in french even if he called trilema.com 1565984;1478863900;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: fuck, you're right. "Some results may have been removed under data protection law in Europe" when running from google eu; both trilema URLs when running from .ar. what is this nonsense 1565985;1478863917;Framedragger;okay, this is ridoinculously ineffective. lol. 1565986;1478863943;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565865 layering "expressive" abstractions is not the only way to fit thigs into head. 1565987;1478863943;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 01:17 asciilifeform: the flow charts add 0 to the expressivity 1565988;1478863961;mircea_popescu;the most important point here is that you for some god forsaken reason ACTUALLY THOUGHT, in your head, that if you write "whore" in lipstick on the back of your wife you're now fucking a whore. 1565989;1478864013;Framedragger;look i didn't have much hope for this eurolaw thing on google etc, i did however assume that to circumvent it, one would have to spend at least a few minutes (masking IP whatnot), not a few seconds 1565990;1478864030;mircea_popescu;this is what they mean when they say reddit makes one stupid : "social media" tends to drive this name-object confusion in young'uns. 1565991;1478864041;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no, you're gettin' it now :D 1565992;1478864149;Framedragger;my whole worldview is an array of name-object confusions. half of my mental life is like that "hesperus is phoshorus" problem 1565993;1478864175;Framedragger;"but if the first star is planet venus and the second star is planet venus, then.. WHO WAS PHONE" 1565994;1478864264;Framedragger;'prenatal child gets introduced to semantics' kind of mental blur >.< 1565995;1478864861;mircea_popescu;well, it goes away as you age. 1565996;1478865872;mircea_popescu;anyway, frege's own example is much better than the latter retellings in english. he used der Abendstern and der Morgenstern. 1565997;1478866001;mircea_popescu;you see what the anglotards did ? they replaced the names ; but not innocently. they replaced to serve the two things anglotards are all about : a fake loftyness (oh noes, really, classical names by the classically educated ? except medieval fakes ? ohoho how very cheers-vilised we find ourselves, that frasier crane will eat his heart out!) and a practical confusion. Now you need ~them~ to explain to you what the names mean, 1565998;1478866001;mircea_popescu;it's no longer evident like in that Nazi's naive packaging. It's good for the economy! It creates jobs! 1565999;1478866073;mircea_popescu;stay away from translations ; especially in philosophy (which is everything besides plumbing) ; especially when translated into english ; and especially when translated from german. 1566000;1478866098;mircea_popescu;stay away from translation, for translation is treason. 1566001;1478866267;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: good point. a fair note though, some translations use 'morning star' and 'evening star', which convey the meaning well, i think. 1566002;1478866288;Framedragger;though, then it's not clear that 'morning star' and 'evening star' are *proper* names (like Jacob), so... 1566003;1478866293;Framedragger;ugh, translation. 1566004;1478866310;Framedragger;(they're supposed to be proper names, not just 'table') 1566005;1478866490;mircea_popescu;the problem with trason isn't that you can't find a faithful translation. 1566006;1478866497;mircea_popescu;the problem with treason is that you can't identify which it is 1566007;1478866500;mircea_popescu;as per macbeth, you know. 1566008;1478866505;mircea_popescu;treason drives insanity. 1566009;1478866640;Framedragger;:) 1566010;1478866644;Framedragger;hm. yeah 1566011;1478866699;Framedragger;i wonder, maybe some of frege's stuff can be read in english in 'relative' (i'm naive yes) safety. for example his foundations of Arithmetic 1566012;1478866735;Framedragger;i've never read the latter, and my deutsch is bad (but in principle passable with a dictionary at hand, possibly) 1566013;1478866786;mircea_popescu;there's a reason the perfidious islands produced nothing in their entire history. that reason has to do to how there isn't even the words to translate properly, so either they hide behind some greek statue located in a french garden, or else they make with the common nouns. 1566014;1478866796;mircea_popescu;english is a fine language to do your accounting in. 1566015;1478866994;mircea_popescu;(and yes, i'm saying that the typical reasoning, "he said grab them by the pussy therefore he disrespects women" is not simply due to the speaker being stupid, or lazy. it's also how english happens to work, internally.) 1566016;1478867084;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: incidentally, any recommendation on which of the following to pick to learn as a new tongue? (sample at hand is due to some future pragmatical considerations, in terms of possible living places etc. - maybe not he last entry): french (i can't french at all), german (some knowledge), portuguese (none), russian (very rudimentary, call it none) 1566017;1478867099;mircea_popescu;what's your process for learning as a new tongue ? 1566018;1478867180;Framedragger;i haven't decided. last time it happened i was in high school. healthy dose of conversation + good textbooks, though that is not really a concrete process at all. 1566019;1478867271;Framedragger;i'd like to be able to read some god damn decent literature in something else than english or lithuanian (the latter is an OK language, too bad it's language of proles) 1566020;1478867293;mircea_popescu;languages are to be learnt from women. so go out with girls you like, pick the first one who also has a lot of booksat home, learn her language. 1566021;1478867341;jurov;Framedragger: if literature, then defo go for german 1566022;1478867357;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: nice, that sounds.. not like a chore. some very nice advice to be tried.. thanks. 1566023;1478867363;mircea_popescu;or french. or portuguese. or russian. but yes. 1566024;1478867381;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i never learned a language any other way, and this includes fucking latin. 1566025;1478867389;Framedragger;wowza 1566026;1478867394;Framedragger;that's pretty cool. 1566027;1478867402;mircea_popescu;(yes, the reason mp doesn't lisp may have a lot to do with the absence of hot lisp chicks.) 1566028;1478867444;*;Framedragger imagines mircea_popescu learning declensions by writing with ink on a girl's back 1566029;1478867479;mircea_popescu;lol. you know, if you drive to the starbucks it doesn't follow you actually stopped the car inside the booth. 1566030;1478867486;Framedragger;jurov: curious why german in particular. but hm! fair enough i guess 1566031;1478867509;mircea_popescu;possibly cuz that's what he read ? you certainly won't starve in any of the ones mentioned. 1566032;1478867610;jurov;Framedragger: was interested into psychology, went to read in original 1566033;1478867618;Framedragger;..yeah i'm not going for sindarin or w/e language(s) tolkien invented. could be fun, but.. eh 1566034;1478867685;jurov;ebonics ftw! 1566035;1478867812;mircea_popescu;hey, at least learning it will go easy. 1566036;1478870312;mircea_popescu;rather related, http://trilema.com/2013/the-wonderful-powers-of-make-believe/ 1566037;1478870863;mircea_popescu;incidentally, after all the blather about how russia influenced the elections (hey, check it out, russia can do that!) where's the articles about how sweden organised protests against trump ? 1566038;1478874224;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://blog.sfgate.com/morford/files/2015/11/cocktail-wax_vajazzle-2014.jpg 1566039;1478876519;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/R2lYH << in other noose. 1566040;1478877094;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565891 << I read that they smashed cars and windows all night... in a city that went for clitler. 1566041;1478877094;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 01:27 ben_vulpes: they waltzed out onto i5, the corridor from mexico to canada 1566042;1478877129;trinque;delicious. I hope they burn the place down. 1566043;1478877281;trinque;asciilifeform: this marks the coming of Great Again. 1566044;1478878846;phf;"we ain't rasis, we politically conscious" 1566045;1478878915;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw7nqoiUkAANrm3.jpg << see also. 1566046;1478878928;phf;i will admit though, i didn't expect this level of hypocrisy from the progressives, i was to some extent taking what they are saying at face value 1566047;1478879068;asciilifeform;what face value. their only consistent line for past century was 'what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine' etc. 1566048;1478879478;phf;liberté, égalité, fraternité 1566049;1478879506;phf;ls 1566050;1478879508;phf;err 1566051;1478880029;asciilifeform;http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/Mark-VII << definitely not news, but of interest to folks in low-volume electronics manufacture.. 1566052;1478880099;*;asciilifeform wonders if these folk have their own assembly house 1566053;1478880186;mats;shitball.bin is at 200kb 1566054;1478880202;mats;this is going to take years 1566055;1478880447;trinque;phf: nah, didn't get exactly what they wanted, are now shitting themselves in defiance 1566056;1478880472;trinque;the pants belong to someone else anyway; it's self-consistent 1566057;1478880593;trinque;ben_vulpes: you gotta qntra this; you're right there in the action! 1566058;1478880772;trinque;https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/putin-applauds-trump-win-and-hails-new-era-of-positive-ties-with-us << He denied allegations of Russian interference in the election, but said “maybe we helped a bit with WikiLeaks.” 1566059;1478880776;trinque;top trolling 1566060;1478882167;mod6;heheh 1566061;1478882784;asciilifeform;mats: what's the effective bitrate ? 1566062;1478883288;mats;2 bits a second 1566063;1478883358;asciilifeform;aaaaaha 1566064;1478883362;asciilifeform;soooo auditable 1566065;1478883368;asciilifeform;sooooo measurable... 1566066;1478883379;asciilifeform;in other noose, 'The afternoon rally came a day after fliers appeared in bathrooms across campus warning of pro-Trump "vigilante squads." The fliers contained a picture of men clad in camouflage holding rifles and said the squads would “arrest and torture those deviant university leaders spouting off all this diversity garbage.” University police were investigating the source of the fliers.' 1566067;1478883588;BingoBoingo; incidentally, after all the blather about how russia influenced the elections (hey, check it out, russia can do that!) where's the articles about how sweden organised protests against trump ? << Tomorrow maybe in Roundup Xtend after I catch up on reading 1566068;1478883686;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: WTF, why are they promoting hate crimes against white people dressed in traditional garb for deer season?! 1566069;1478885305;phf;"these men are armed with assault rifles!!" 1566070;1478886275;ben_vulpes;trinque: i am nowhere near the action, tyvm 1566071;1478886294;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: sooo get in the panzer & drive!11111 1566072;1478886298;ben_vulpes;only action i'm remotely interested in is abdulraman sameer noorah's trial on the fifteenth 1566073;1478886330;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: nah, i don't take the capital equipment out romping amongst anarchist, the antipersonnell hardware's on the fritz 1566074;1478886412;*;ben_vulpes deeply uninterested in broken megacorp windows downtown when there are fires to light and dance around in the rainy woods 1566075;1478887145;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Fine, locate your nearest "rainbow people" camp and shit on their parade 1566076;1478887181;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: mwhat is a rainbow people? 1566077;1478887198;trinque;looked like it was shops and cars too, not just megacorp 1566078;1478887202;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: contemporary hippies 1566079;1478887213;trinque;kulaks I guess 1566080;1478887238;ben_vulpes;trinque: apparently someone got arrested carrying six 'molotov cocktails' 1566081;1478887249;ben_vulpes;i don't know how stupid you have to be to get caught before hefting any firebombs... 1566082;1478887265;ben_vulpes;and i'm not even particularly convinced they'd have worked anyways. 1566083;1478887270;trinque;lol! 1566084;1478887274;asciilifeform;perhaps he used mircea_popescu's gag recipe with plastic bottle. which dissolved. 1566085;1478887339;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ah yeah not really my scene, too straight to appreciate ritual deflowerings and assorted defilements 1566086;1478887356;trinque;ritual deflowerings wat 1566087;1478887361;trinque;that sounds kinda fun! 1566088;1478887366;BingoBoingo;WHich is why you go to shit on their parade and bring tiding of Trumpreich 1566089;1478887505;ben_vulpes;sadly, i have not done enough battle with the gods of tidiness and compulsion to be into playing with my poop 1566090;1478887522;trinque;wat 1566091;1478887531;*;trinque by now has no idea wtf goes on in oregon woods 1566092;1478887567;ben_vulpes;trinque: it sounds to me like BingoBoingo wants to see hippie scat play 1566093;1478887591;ben_vulpes;trinque: nobody has any idea 1566094;1478887599;BingoBoingo;Nah, me wants to see ben_vulpes practice his oppressing 1566095;1478887607;trinque;they had naked sluts at the hot springs but afaik that was banned 1566096;1478887613;trinque;much to the sorrow of all 1566097;1478887618;ben_vulpes;wat 1566098;1478887620;ben_vulpes;which spring? 1566099;1478887693;trinque;what's the one due southeast in the national forest 1566100;1478887722;trinque;I remember there was weeping and gnashing of teeth over nudity in some facebook group back when I had one of those 1566101;1478889965;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/duterte-welcomes-us-trumpreich-and-looks-forward-to-warm-relations/ << Qntra - Duterte Welcomes US Trumpreich And Looks Forward To Warm Relations 1566102;1478890643;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1565968 << the funny thing being that the dnc is pretty much a sorority. i mean this very literally, a collection of girls trapped in old women bodies. AND THE CHEEROCRACY LOST THE CHEERLEADING BALL! 1566103;1478890643;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 06:25 BingoBoingo: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/10/huffington-post-dnc-staffer-screams-donna-brazile-helping-elect-donald-trump/ << Prayer Answered 1566104;1478890717;mircea_popescu;it's gonna be funnay if they go for the whole "it's clinton's fault" thing, considering the woman didn't even want to run - THEY BEGGED HER TO. 1566105;1478890749;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Anyways my early projection for next Democratic presidential nominee is Tammy Duckworth. It would have been Jason Kander, butt... his loss. 1566106;1478890773;mircea_popescu;i expect pelosi lol. she'd only be 80. 1566107;1478890794;BingoBoingo;Nah, they'll prolly be looking for "freshman senator magic" again 1566108;1478890829;mircea_popescu;maybe they get a fat and pimply black guy from tennessee 1566109;1478890841;mircea_popescu;who loses again and then it can be all about racism in "the public debate" 1566110;1478890847;BingoBoingo;Only if one wins the senate seat there in 2014 1566111;1478890862;mircea_popescu;there is that. 1566112;1478890872;mircea_popescu;course 2018 is also a thing. 1566113;1478891007;BingoBoingo;Time doesn't flow that way anymore in Murica, The Great Again is starting. 1566114;1478891133;BingoBoingo;Soon there will be alt-1950's except poorer 1566115;1478894680;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566045 << lol may take a few of those. 1566116;1478894680;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 15:41 asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw7nqoiUkAANrm3.jpg << see also. 1566117;1478894751;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566046 << kinda how the scam works. 1566118;1478894751;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 15:42 phf: i will admit though, i didn't expect this level of hypocrisy from the progressives, i was to some extent taking what they are saying at face value 1566119;1478894978;mircea_popescu;lmao mwhat is a thing now ? 1566120;1478895027;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566091 << 1566121;1478895027;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 18:05 trinque by now has no idea wtf goes on in oregon woods 1566122;1478895032;ben_vulpes;mwho? 1566123;1478895681;mircea_popescu;lol 1566124;1478896051;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the dns "registrar" front, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6di65/?raw=true 1566125;1478896097;mircea_popescu;tl;dr: gandi.net is a fucking joke, approximately the equivalent of eating fast food in food court "restaurant", so you can pay 20 bux for the same two dollar happy meal. 1566126;1478898210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i've used it for many years, it worx 1566127;1478898219;asciilifeform;but there is afaik nothing particularly great about it. 1566128;1478898280;asciilifeform;it doesn't 'price competitively' because it doesn't (last i saw) sell customers to spammers, plaster self with pestilential ads, 'park' linkfarms on paying customer domains, etc 1566129;1478898313;asciilifeform;the 'competitive' dnstrons -- do. 1566130;1478898340;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565578 << see also. 1566131;1478898340;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 17:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a very theoretical principle, this. the mechanisms involved in the practical discussion, however, aren't nearly there. just simple cash starvation, "why is roach motel full of roaches!" "because you're paying $8 a night" 1566132;1478899323;asciilifeform;'I'm getting that for 5.96 currently. .com .net 15 each ? Is this some kind of a joke that's funny in your culture ?' << i'd be curious, then, what is mircea_popescu getting for the 5.96 $, and why not continue to buy it. 1566133;1478899380;jurov;gandi.net needs to join tmsr. then we can have domains for phree :D 1566134;1478899385;asciilifeform;( and how many other necessary things does mircea_popescu buy at-cost, and really, there's no catch..? ) 1566135;1478899407;asciilifeform;jurov: there is an upstream cost, given as all dns regs are sub-leases from hitler. 1566136;1478899454;jurov;I see you got the joke. 1566137;1478899558;asciilifeform;at one point i worked for a co that supplied dns reg as part of a larger package of high-roller services (rather than, as usually seen with registrars, to public) -- the 'crown concession' was quite costly 1566138;1478899566;asciilifeform;(mid 6-figs at the time iirc) 1566139;1478899664;asciilifeform;(they also collected fat moneys for the service, i shit thee not, of watching that the domain reg does not 'walk away', because not-winblowzing, not-using-guessable-pw, etc. is Too Much To Expect from multi-$B 'tbtf' orgs) 1566140;1478899734;asciilifeform;this is one of those affairs bitcoin oughta be delightfully perverting to all hell, as per mircea_popescu's prophecy 1566141;1478899819;asciilifeform;if i misplace a benjie, hitler will not give me new one. if goldman sachs 'misplaces' domain -- hitler is delighted to give back. 1566142;1478899935;phf;sort of reminds of the laptop from achewood http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04022008 http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04032008 1566143;1478900013;phf;"you seem to be attempting to reassigning your domain, why don't you call your agent to chat about?" 1566144;1478900080;asciilifeform;believe or not, 'you' (definitely not you, nor me, but some favourite son somewhere) can make $mils by offering service of 'dns reg just like the 5.95 one but we need signed letter from CEO of your corp, notarized by the board, before we'll move a domain' 1566145;1478900228;asciilifeform;(and, since mircea_popescu is not awake to ask this, i will answer in advance -- no, it wasn't pgptronic 'no valid sig -- goto hell'. afaik this isn't doable under u.s. jurisdiction ) 1566146;1478900363;jurov;.SK NIC actually does this notarized bureaucracy PITA when the owner, dies or otherwise ceases to exist 1566147;1478900377;jurov;*it's PITA 1566148;1478900399;asciilifeform;iirc some eu countries even demand a physical resident agent before issuing domain 1566149;1478900510;phf;i once got a contract closed because the hosting provider was located in a former missile launch facility, i mentioned it during a pitch, and i think that more so than anything else that ensured the bid went through. "security" 1566150;1478900511;phf; 1566151;1478900565;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy, considering that the actual 'burglarproofing' of the shafts came 100% from the promise of guard platoon showing up <15min after alarm tripped 1566152;1478900587;asciilifeform;and not from the staff access door (which was armoured, but against overpressure, not crowbar) 1566153;1478901301;asciilifeform;in other very much non-news, https://archive.is/RAPiG , i take back everything i ever said re how opening 'tmsr church' is waste of time. it ain't, not if we can build one of THESE!111111111111 1566154;1478901474;BingoBoingo;AHA, where alf discovers virtue of cults 1566155;1478901503;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the end i picked namesilo. 1566156;1478901517;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lel, i always liked cults 1566157;1478901531;mircea_popescu;we shall see about this "sell to spammers", i have exactly 0 confidence in the gandi thing chiefly because on the form they claim icann REQUIRES them to sell your data to spammers. 1566158;1478901600;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in truth i cannot recommend any dns seller, this may well be a case of 'pay the cheapest shaman' 1566159;1478901608;mircea_popescu;and i don't continue to buy it because internetbs.net (ex internet.bs) decided to discontinue bitcoin payments "for legal reasons". so i told them where to stuff it, the only reason i made the fucking acct last year when i ditched namecheap was because they had btc 1566160;1478901614;asciilifeform;aah 1566161;1478901615;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly that. 1566162;1478901636;mircea_popescu;and it makes a difference, wtf, i'm going to pay ~2500 for a 1200 bill because "services" ? i wish to know wtf services they do for over a grand 1566163;1478901797;mircea_popescu;this is exactly that field where "take this old crust of bread, and i don't wish to hear from you for two decades", and they're ALL doing it wrong. "oh we upgraded the website" "oh we changed payment processing" MOTHERFUCKER 1566164;1478901801;mircea_popescu;you do not change. anything. ever. 1566165;1478901818;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/trump-voter-lynched-in-chicago-for-supporting-the-great-again/ << Qntra - Trump Voter Lynched In Chicago For Supporting The Great Again 1566166;1478901820;mircea_popescu;change is the worst fucking thing. get leprosy instead, it's a better deal. 1566167;1478901859;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo saying white man was lynched is racist! saying ourdemocracy valiant fighters lynched some dude is racist! 1566168;1478901886;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Tell that to our urban negro! 1566169;1478901895;mircea_popescu;all dis structural racism 1566170;1478901913;BingoBoingo;Just wait for post-structural racism! 1566171;1478901948;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566134 << most of the things i buy. including real estate, human slaves, cutlery, antiques, cars and machinery, you name it. 1566172;1478901948;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 21:23 asciilifeform: ( and how many other necessary things does mircea_popescu buy at-cost, and really, there's no catch..? ) 1566173;1478901953;mircea_popescu;retail is for suckers. 1566174;1478901986;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: church of s is probably the most interesting item in usa, from tmsr perspective. think, they - apparently - run a complete northkr ~inside~ usa, with palaces, factories, gulags, fuck knows, possibly complete with rockets. and ~0 newspaper whine. 1566175;1478902021;mircea_popescu;or at least used to 1566176;1478902068;asciilifeform;i've not turned up any report of castle linked earlier having been sacked or sold at auction etc. but i have nfi, i never sat on its throne or in the dungeon. 1566177;1478902107;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566143 << this is the core of "private banking". "do you have a lot of money ? are you too dumb to understand how wires work ? we only cost $500 a month (+some % of your every move in small print)" 1566178;1478902107;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 21:33 phf: "you seem to be attempting to reassigning your domain, why don't you call your agent to chat about?" 1566179;1478902113;asciilifeform;linked piece even suggests that they have something like mircea_popescu's 'human pig' system. 1566180;1478902225;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform afaik they're running a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563151 for celebs. you pay them a mn a year or w/e and they allocate a coupla slavegirls to you. 1566181;1478902225;a111;Logged on 2016-11-05 15:22 mircea_popescu: epstein is one of many such squires, let's call them. the squire's estate consists of a brothel, which may be obv multiple physical locations but generally arranged in a star pattern, a harvesting operation, his connections to the democrat party (in this case via abedin-clinton-obama). he doesn't do his own marketing, the people running the whole thing do. 1566182;1478902240;mircea_popescu;not terribly independent or anything. 1566183;1478902256;asciilifeform;well somebody kryshas it. 1566184;1478902271;mircea_popescu;oh, same people as epstein dude. it's a dnc outfit through and through. 1566185;1478902317;asciilifeform;seems a little overengineered for ordinary bordello. 1566186;1478902326;asciilifeform;really, spikes, minefields? 1566187;1478902344;mircea_popescu;(note that the dona brazile thing was IN FRONT OF EMPLOYEES. those 150 people weren't fucking volunteers, they were dorks making more money than the owner of vox/salon/what have you, not the journowhores doing all the wordsmithing. and who were expecting more. A LOT MORE. and now they don't think they'll ever get it 1566188;1478902364;mircea_popescu;which is the meaning of "you'll die of old age and i'll die of global warming" : you made your 50mn and i'm never gonna make my half bn. 1566189;1478902407;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a visual culture. kinda like how they glue plastic wood imitation to station wagons and plant fake vineyards in the back of the alt-flavoured soda vending machine. 1566190;1478902499;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1r2T6Pq3-S1w0L4YcS1fbzvEnqHM&hl=en&ll=33.80916597520113%2C-116.8815388597464&z=12 << considerably larger, and, by all accounts, more lavish, than, e.g., camp david, or nsa hq, or, or. 1566191;1478902543;asciilifeform;but the fact asciilifeform finds more interesting is that they have, apparently, a complete electronic manufacturing vertical there. 1566192;1478902553;asciilifeform;(for the 'e-meter' cultron, naturally, linked earlier) 1566193;1478902573;mircea_popescu;"electronic". their thing is electric. 1566194;1478902581;asciilifeform;nope. read link. 1566195;1478902587;asciilifeform;8-bit cpu!11111 1566196;1478902597;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1566197;1478902598;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566051 1566198;1478902598;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 16:00 asciilifeform: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Secrets/E-Meter/Mark-VII << definitely not news, but of interest to folks in low-volume electronics manufacture.. 1566199;1478902601;mircea_popescu;they're not baking them 1566200;1478902621;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/KCw7W << well, ~allegedly~ 1566201;1478902626;*;asciilifeform did not go there, did not bake it 1566202;1478902734;mircea_popescu;also, those gaypope pics tell a story of rural poverty. 1566203;1478902747;asciilifeform;with the shit-pits ? 1566204;1478902756;mircea_popescu;i'm supposed to be impressed by that handmade one-off "spiked fence" ? it's badly designed, fatally flawed and deeply dysfunctional. 1566205;1478902762;mircea_popescu;wtf else, they got a speaker ? some cctv ? 1566206;1478902769;asciilifeform;it's a dubai. 1566207;1478902780;asciilifeform;million for throne room, not a penny for trash pickup, etc. 1566208;1478902783;mircea_popescu;eh get out. it's a ranch. 1566209;1478902801;asciilifeform;dubai in the 'orc fantasy' sense, not in 'commercial megapolis'. 1566210;1478902970;asciilifeform;www.ultrabarrier.com << spike vendor. 1566211;1478903005;asciilifeform;they resemble oversized pigeon spikes from chicago metro. 1566212;1478903011;mircea_popescu;it's the antipersonnel equivalent of "scoped out" rifle. really. 1566213;1478903109;asciilifeform;dunno that it is such a bad deal, escapee slave can jump ordinary barbed wire with leather coats, tarps, etc., but not so easily spikes. 1566214;1478903284;mircea_popescu;dude... you're not serious are you ? 1566215;1478903354;mircea_popescu;a) they're visibly atached. you can just take them off. b) they sit on top of a dingy chickenwire thing you can cut through with a fucking nail clip c) they're on a fence already sagging from age, whose supports lay loose in soft earth ; no concrete base block nothing. 1566216;1478903380;asciilifeform;take off?! 1566217;1478903392;asciilifeform;as i understand, these are against naked chix running off into the woods in the dead of night. 1566218;1478903394;mircea_popescu;yes. they're clip-ons, look at the pic. 1566219;1478903396;asciilifeform;not tank division. 1566220;1478903415;mircea_popescu;they're against the nightmares of the mentally ill. they have no practical effect. 1566221;1478903424;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking cinematic prop. 1566222;1478903431;asciilifeform;vendor page had 'install with ordinary tig welder' or the like. 1566223;1478903456;mircea_popescu;http://angrygaypope.com/gold/gold_security_gallery/images/fence_blades_fgnd_focus.jpg << those aren't weld spots. 1566224;1478903493;asciilifeform;i cannot tell, from this pic, how thing was made. 1566225;1478903502;asciilifeform;perhaps - from papier mache. 1566226;1478903514;mircea_popescu;it seems to me the rail came with holes, and the "blades" came with steel spring which got forced into the hole. 1566227;1478903522;asciilifeform;or rivet, aha. 1566228;1478903532;mircea_popescu;inside rivet ? 1566229;1478903538;asciilifeform;keyhole rivet. 1566230;1478903544;asciilifeform;like the chicago pigeon system. 1566231;1478903554;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't be visibly loose. there's like 2mm space between "blade" and its seat on the side of the attachment. 1566232;1478903561;mircea_popescu;that's a good sign they're just loose there 1566233;1478903578;asciilifeform;strange thing to make. 1566234;1478903579;mircea_popescu;(you can see the sun shine through, so you know) 1566235;1478903610;asciilifeform;but i can easily imagine demented pope buying this, like he bought the rest of it, 'looked SOOOO K000000L!1111' 1566236;1478903642;asciilifeform;homes of american 'rich & famous' tend to have this flavour, or at least the parts visible from outside 1566237;1478903826;mircea_popescu;myeah. still, back at reality ranch, poor quality low value fence 3/10. 1566238;1478903879;asciilifeform;betcha it does the job tho. 1566239;1478903886;asciilifeform;chixx - stay in. 1566240;1478903916;asciilifeform;(slowed in escape for the 10 minutes or so that the chix-retention battalion needs to pick'em back up, throw in truck bed, and return to their pit) 1566241;1478903983;asciilifeform;fences per se are a largely decorative item in modern world -- the item which actually does the work is the microwave perimeter sensor 1566242;1478903984;BingoBoingo;Still does little to keep determined invader from seizing ranch and nekkid chix. 1566243;1478903992;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "lynced"? 1566244;1478903993;asciilifeform;introduced in '60s for -- incidentally, last thead -- rocket silos 1566245;1478904009;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/numerous-jobs-for-the-unemployable-being-created-as-the-great-again-approaches/ << Qntra - Numerous Jobs For The Unemployable Being Created As The Great Again Approaches 1566246;1478904019;asciilifeform;many washington dc lizard terrariums have minimal or even nonexistent fences, but many intersecting 'lines of fire' of sensor. 1566247;1478904026;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: ty fxd 1566248;1478904095;mircea_popescu;dude what chix even. 1566249;1478904128;asciilifeform;nfi! mircea_popescu did suggest that it was an epsteinarium.. 1566250;1478904140;mircea_popescu;that place looks like you'd be hard pressed to find fresh veal. let alone anything you'd want to fuck. 1566251;1478904151;mircea_popescu;yes, but not in the high performance sexual sense. 1566252;1478904202;asciilifeform;in which, then, sense ? 1566253;1478904210;mircea_popescu;there's just a bunch of dorks doing what every single servant class american SHOULD be doing, which is to say "yes sir no sir thank you sir oh how great you look today". 1566254;1478904243;mircea_popescu;travolta goes there to decompress, when he gets fucking sick of smartass cab drivers, ironic waitresses and whatnot other "i'm only doing this until" idiots. 1566255;1478904317;asciilifeform;sounds like a viable business model for northkr!11111 1566256;1478904320;asciilifeform;'travolta service' 1566257;1478904323;mircea_popescu;quite, yes. 1566258;1478904336;mircea_popescu;nfi why they don't do it. at some point in the late 80s they almost look like they were gonna 1566259;1478904345;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybne they do and it's chinese strictly. 1566260;1478904351;asciilifeform;'we have 10,000,001 eager servants who will come in pants if you give'em a 'snickers'' 1566261;1478904373;BingoBoingo;"If I wasn’t sitting in the room with my mother and my hands were not hopelessly broken and callused, I’d consider masturbating to the live feed of crying feminists at the Queen Apparent’s Headquarters." << http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5638 1566262;1478904394;mircea_popescu;not even. "Dear Guest, for your comfort please note that snicker bars must be split up to all employees. Please contact the nearest Whipmaster for the procedure. Thank you!" 1566263;1478904399;mircea_popescu;then they cut it to bits and put it in doggy bowls. 1566264;1478904415;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i lost the transmission past "room with mother" 1566265;1478904431;asciilifeform;probably per customer request !! some might prefer, e.g., that the 'snickers' be on a fishing hook, on a line. 1566266;1478904439;mircea_popescu;lol 1566267;1478904445;asciilifeform;or in mousetrap. 1566268;1478904479;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well I'm guessing Herr Lafond who presents Baltimore does not have television of own and for a change decided to take refuge outside of city limits rather than shelter in place. 1566269;1478904492;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1566270;1478904502;asciilifeform;i thought he lived in an old broken clay amphora! 1566271;1478904734;mircea_popescu;so is sanders gonna split his own faction, what's the prediction market say ? 1566272;1478904837;BingoBoingo;Sanders likely not long for this world seeing as he is oldest of the olds. 1566273;1478904908;mircea_popescu;Call it American Socialist Party, prolly get about a tenth to a third of current dem + all the "radicals" and whatnots. since the democrats are utterly fucked with all-minorities PLUS they're going to lose 5-10 more senators in 2018 (look at the map lol, it's a carnage, 6 sens up for reelection in freshly red states) so it'll be forever a case of "we are better than the dnc, we suck but they fail". 1566274;1478904914;mircea_popescu;it's his moment, if he'll take it. 1566275;1478904925;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo all he has to do is put the cornerstone. 1566276;1478905027;BingoBoingo;Possibru 1566277;1478905028;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps he can take the mummy of cpusa out of the museum and resurrect 1566278;1478905044;mircea_popescu;nah, communism is bad cachet. he wants socialism. 1566279;1478905059;mircea_popescu;possibly use something dump like "Progress Coallition" or whatever brandy nonsense 1566280;1478905181;mircea_popescu;and in other trickle down economics, http://68.media.tumblr.com/35156c82eb3c2dfc7fa904702e2907fc/tumblr_n0jmi4zv051s59ueeo1_1280.jpg 1566281;1478905273;*;asciilifeform cannot even think of 'trickle down' without thinking of mircea_popescu's latrine-pig systems. 1566282;1478906095;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/RAk3I << in other bizarrities. 1566283;1478906176;*;asciilifeform has been to this diner many times, never saw clitler. though it IS the place next to which there is a peculiar private house with iron door and 'high voltage' sign, but through windows one can see that it is not a substation, there are lights, office furniture... 1566284;1478906330;mircea_popescu;why do these people eat so much pizza 1566285;1478906343;mircea_popescu;it's not even pizza, at that. greasy shitballs ffs. 1566286;1478906359;asciilifeform;it was perhaps closest thing to pizza in these lands. 1566287;1478906371;mircea_popescu;but pizza is a poor fisherman's sustenance. 1566288;1478906381;mircea_popescu;literally, dirt poor, eat every other day sort of poor. 1566289;1478906384;asciilifeform;no argument. 1566290;1478906429;mircea_popescu;o wow, that heart-with-heart spiral thing is actually a "i wanna fuck preteen girls" thing ? 1566291;1478906537;trinque;seems like "big triangle little triangle" or heart 1566292;1478906602;asciilifeform;!!up the_scourge 1566293;1478906602;deedbot;the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1566294;1478906631;mats;hes back 1566295;1478906657;mircea_popescu;lol "hames alefantis owns a pizzeria and is the ex-boyfriend of david brock who runs correct the record and who claimed it spent millions of dollars to pay redditards to bury qntra stories". mmmkay. 1566296;1478906778;mircea_popescu;"katy grannan, a photographer known for documentary-style pictures of naked teenagers in their parents' suburban homes". ahaha say wut ? 1566297;1478906783;mircea_popescu;must be a different katy grannan. 1566298;1478906785;asciilifeform;fwiw the (unofficial) main dem party b00kstore is on same street 1566299;1478906788;asciilifeform;as is its back-office. 1566300;1478906806;asciilifeform;it is wildly popular, and various 'luminaries' perform there, incl. clitler at one point. 1566301;1478906818;the_scourge;rehi guys 1566302;1478906818;the_scourge;david brock was blackmailed for nearly a million a few years back by a gay lover 1566303;1478906872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the politics nand prose thing ? yeah. 1566304;1478906927;asciilifeform;i was there just a week before tritlerday, it was full of you can guess what. 1566305;1478906949;mircea_popescu;jewish kids with shitty degrees and great expectations ? 1566306;1478906955;asciilifeform;them also 1566307;1478906975;asciilifeform;but i was thinking of the most self-congratulatory propaganda 'books' one could imagine 1566308;1478906980;mircea_popescu;ah 1566309;1478906983;asciilifeform;'how america almost made the trump mistake' etc. 1566310;1478906998;asciilifeform;also the clitler thing with the student loan jubilee, photo'd and linked here 1566311;1478907008;asciilifeform;!!up scourge 1566312;1478907009;deedbot;scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1566313;1478907036;mircea_popescu;aha 1566314;1478907044;asciilifeform;scourge: they confiscated all but your 300 baud modem or what. 1566315;1478907046;scourge;sorry folks, running irssi locally. i lost my VPNs and my bitcoin was all seized 1566316;1478907056;mircea_popescu;... 1566317;1478907074;scourge;asciilifeform: idk i'm connected to some wireless 1566318;1478907105;scourge;bandwidth seems ok but it times out sometimes. might need to play with my settings 1566319;1478907163;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/MeGTJ#selection-3405.0-3405.38 << Biljana Djurdjevic, if anyone gives a shit. just old enough at the time of the troubles to have involuntarily participated in the ass trade, except of course for the happenstance she was born in belgrade not sarajevo 1566320;1478907335;scourge;"salon d'octobre" is that a communist reference? October revolution? 1566321;1478907347;mircea_popescu;dun think so. 1566322;1478907369;scourge;Maybe it's artistic to name your crew after a month 1566323;1478907399;scourge;mircea_popescu: how you been? Any comments on this stenography that's popping up with pizzagate? 1566324;1478907407;mircea_popescu;above. 1566325;1478907470;scourge;um, it's james not hames and yah CTR is real 1566326;1478907700;mircea_popescu;"UPDATE 11/9 – Anon has learned of a password secured area for Comet Pizza http://www.cometpingpong.com/protected This is extremely odd for a pizza place. Within hours, Anon had infiltrated the servers. I’m not a hacker, so I’m just relaying information here, but it seems there is extensive security which even our best men have not been able to breach. ALL THAT TO PROTECT A PIZZA JOINT? They have confirmed the coded fil 1566327;1478907700;mircea_popescu;es names able to be viewed but not downloaded are video files." << i thought that part was pretty good. 1566328;1478907747;scourge;https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/37262 1566329;1478907812;scourge;^CTR - like team. But done by Alphabet and Eric Schmidt and with 1.5 billion in budget and all of google's resources to build a "unique voter ID" on everyone 1566330;1478907813;scourge;mircea_popescu: where was that quote from? 1566331;1478907835;mircea_popescu;item alf linked above, "other bizzarities" 1566332;1478907871;*;scourge missed it, goes to look at the logs 1566333;1478907905;asciilifeform;what's interesting in the linked eric schmidt email ? 1566334;1478907913;scourge;anyone getting timeouts and weird stuff on voat? 1566335;1478907947;scourge;asciilifeform: smoking gun for CTR stuff but 100X worse and with 100X the budget and using all of google's data and psyops for the Clintons 1566336;1478907963;mircea_popescu;the campaign never reached 1.5bn, never employed 5k people nor ever managed to house 1k people with other people. 1566337;1478907984;scourge;mircea_popescu: proof? how do you know what ended up happening? 1566338;1478908007;mircea_popescu;it's kinda my business to know what'll end up happening 6+ months in advance. 1566339;1478908041;scourge;mircea_popescu: i know that. but how do you know the internal workings of Schmidt+clintons+google? 1566340;1478908046;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/9MwsU >> 'Sticky as a long, slow summertime fuck.' << lel 1566341;1478908077;mircea_popescu;like you know everything else, by echos and refraction ; waste heat and waste energy... all detection works the same way. 1566342;1478908100;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently they really are lizards. 1566343;1478908204;scourge;mircea_popescu: god damn you should have put a fucking NSFW on the tumblr. Or should we assume that tumblr jpgs are NSFW 1566344;1478908251;mircea_popescu;well... thing is moreover that relatively little of what we discuss here is either work-friendly or all that recommended for people with jobs 1566345;1478908253;mircea_popescu;or wives. 1566346;1478908347;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/maps/place/Comet+Ping+Pong,+5037+Connecticut+Ave+NW,+Washington,+DC+20008/@38.9559497,-77.0699666,15z << lel, now full of 'we hate pedo scum!111' reviews 1566347;1478908355;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly, if this email is genuine, it does not speak in favour of schmidt's intellect. 1566348;1478908365;scourge;the irony is that tor+VM+cafe wifi is a recommended minimum for working with hacking a potential pedo ring, but that "cafe WIFI" is usually located inside... a cafe (which is full of dones) 1566349;1478908367;asciilifeform;he reads like nigerian spam forum d00dz 1566350;1478908370;mircea_popescu;horribly mangled mix of things on different levels and layers, he has no clear fucking idea of anything. 1566351;1478908423;mircea_popescu;scourge oh, you're working with hacking a potential pedo ring ? 1566352;1478908500;scourge;The last few weeks have shown me that the closer to the top one gets, the more stupid things you see. Globalists are a great example of the peter principle (and mabye even the gervais principle) 1566353;1478908508;asciilifeform;'[five star review] We're coming for you Alefantis, your organized ring of pedophiles is about to be exposed. Youre gonna burn motherf-r.' 1566354;1478908534;mircea_popescu;oh is this the hacking warning ? 1566355;1478908554;asciilifeform;it is from the 'google reviews' link. 1566356;1478908559;asciilifeform;which is now full of this ???. 1566357;1478908598;mircea_popescu;top idiocies : "ind a way to do polling online and not on phones." ; "The code developed for 2012 (Narwahl etc.) is unlikely to be used, and replaced by a model where" and it kinda lost me there. 1566358;1478908612;asciilifeform;( i have nfi where they are supposed to be keeping the pedos, it is mostly a pub, full of drunks ) 1566359;1478908613;mircea_popescu;no code reuse, check that out. ima make new shit ? to throw away in 2020 ? get bent. 1566360;1478908662;mircea_popescu;and least narwahl wasn't as horrifying as that orca shit romney came up with. 1566361;1478908691;phf;ama start leaving reviews on mexican drug cartel addresses "i'm coming for you, ese, this drug ring is over!!1" 1566362;1478908707;scourge;asciilifeform: the guys on 4chan are saying that kids aren't kept at CPP at all 1566363;1478908823;mircea_popescu;"hasta la vista, vatos!" 1566364;1478908972;mircea_popescu;!!up the_scourge 1566365;1478908972;deedbot;the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1566366;1478908998;mircea_popescu;the one thing with the email leaks is just how fucking incredibly worthless all these people are. their productions are literally not worth reading. 1566367;1478908999;the_scourge;cheers m8 1566368;1478909021;mircea_popescu;if i were stuck in a situation where i had to read this crap i'd be shooting people. 1566369;1478909038;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: billions of dollars and big data on every mutherfucker on the planet can make up for a lot of incompetence :( 1566370;1478909038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, i tried to read the clitler, rumsfeld, etc. crud and literally fell asleep. 1566371;1478909045;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: right in my chair. 1566372;1478909055;BingoBoingo; and least narwahl wasn't as horrifying as that orca shit romney came up with. << Amazing that Trump's less budget meant not buying landwhales 1566373;1478909055;mircea_popescu;it's like... motherfucker, GO TO SCHOOL! come back in six years or such. 1566374;1478909071;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yep. best thing that can happen for one in the us is not having money. 1566375;1478909101;mircea_popescu;the_scourge notreally. it can provide an edge if the other side is just as incompetent, that's about all. 1566376;1478909103;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: i think the problem is too much school, not enough learning 1566377;1478909121;mircea_popescu;something like that. too much school that never saw school and too many hamburgers that never saw a pig. 1566378;1478909130;*;BingoBoingo dreams of the alphrophecy being realized. Parking on white house lawn because replacing lawn with my lawn, pls get off. 1566379;1478909133;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: agreed. that's why they are literally falling apart in front of our eyes 1566380;1478909217;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: i'm more bullish on USD than i have been in decades. at least for short/med term 1566381;1478909283;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: Why would Mr. T make you bullish on USD. Renegotiating national debt will raise interest rates. Especially when US has bankruptcy filing on credit report. 1566382;1478909284;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: alphrophecy not in the logs on either channel, what is that? 1566383;1478909310;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: he doesn't. Keystone and other things do 1566384;1478909312;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: It is in logs. A future president drives to White house and parks pick up truck on lawn. 1566385;1478909330;the_scourge;!search alphrophecy 1566386;1478909350;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: It isn't like a bit of inflation or devaluation of the USd is a bad thing. 1566387;1478909371;*;the_scourge just realized assbot isn't in here 1566388;1478909387;the_scourge;and deedbot isn't talking to me sidechan 1566389;1478909393;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-10#1565475 << The prophecy of alf 1566390;1478909393;a111;Logged on 2016-11-10 16:27 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ! 1566391;1478909512;mircea_popescu;the_scourge see bots.contravex.com 1566392;1478909513;the_scourge;oright yah a dodge ram with 12v cummins, can't be stopped by EMP or nukes. I've got one 1566393;1478909534;the_scourge;mircea_popescu++ # helpful cunt 1566394;1478909571;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/45xXE << in other 'Kids born after the world went to shit...' lulz. 1566395;1478909600;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: ahh, double bangs. very CQB of you 1566396;1478909616;mircea_popescu;!~google cqb 1566397;1478909630;asciilifeform;'close quarter battle' ?? 1566398;1478909699;the_scourge;asciilifeform: yes 1566399;1478909713;the_scourge;you americans call it a double tap 1566400;1478909714;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: I'll prolly go GM, either S10 or Sonoma. Factory bed replaced with flat one of own crafting. But truck must wait for 5 kilo dollar to USd exchagne rate because priorities 1566401;1478909745;asciilifeform;the_scourge: actually we call it 'контрольный выстрел' 1566402;1478909745;the_scourge;dollar to USD meaning CAD to USD? 1566403;1478909837;BingoBoingo;Sorry, 5 kiloUSd to BTC 1566404;1478909850;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: if you want a flatbed, just get a Hilux with a bed that is shot to shit. My brother just sold one, cab was in beautiful condition except where I had let a canoe rub on the top 1566405;1478909885;the_scourge;asciilifeform: http://kv-journal.su/ < is this контрольный выстрел ? 1566406;1478909888;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: Why would I want terrorist jap truck when I can find rust American Iron to give blessing of Great Again! 1566407;1478909916;asciilifeform;the_scourge: it is simply what the tradition of shooting a man in the head second time for good measure is called on other side of the atlantic. 1566408;1478909928;*;the_scourge isn't sure that tmux got the characters perfect 1566409;1478910012;the_scourge;asciilifeform: you misunderstood. the double tap is both to the body. It is the mozambique drill or failure drill that adds a third to the head 1566410;1478910049;the_scourge;'контрольный выстрел' is approximately "control shot"? 1566411;1478910054;asciilifeform;aha 1566412;1478910142;*;the_scourge was thinking about driving over to Ukraine and jumping in with Azov a little bit ago 1566413;1478910153;the_scourge;would have had to learn some of the lingo 1566414;1478910168;mats;lol 1566415;1478910220;the_scourge;I'd be happy to learn Ukrainian or Russian if it meant I could mob up with em 1566416;1478910233;asciilifeform;because this is apparently how it works..? 1566417;1478910277;phf;you just need enough mat to get by, unfortunately failure to use mat ~precisely~ will probably get you in trouble 1566418;1478910286;the_scourge;asciilifeform: azov takes Swedes and Texans. I'm pretty sure tactical abilities are good as gold no matter where you are 1566419;1478910291;asciilifeform;'i watched muuuuch anime, now wanna join yakuza' 1566420;1478910311;*;the_scourge doesn't know what yakuza is 1566421;1478910344;the_scourge;Japanese? 1566422;1478910377;the_scourge;Dude they look like fucking hoodrats. What does that have to do with tactical skills? 1566423;1478910428;the_scourge;(everyone knows that kids from the hood become SF first, hoodrats later, not the other way around /s) 1566424;1478910503;the_scourge;looks like they have their tribal org down. probably lots to learn there 1566425;1478911107;BingoBoingo;!!up the_scourge 1566426;1478911108;deedbot;the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1566427;1478911375;the_scourge;ah deedbot uses the same userlist as assbot! 1566428;1478911418;the_scourge;so I guess i'm downrated to below pleb here too 1566429;1478911426;the_scourge;BingoBoingo++ thanks m8 1566430;1478911454;BingoBoingo;No, not same. Forked. 1566431;1478911584;the_scourge;ah yah I've only got today's rating from kakobrekla 1566432;1478911596;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: still getting "You may not !!up yourself." though... 1566433;1478911604;BingoBoingo;In other Great Again preludes: Boeing is hiring on their F/A-18 sales staff. 1566434;1478911620;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: Kako's rating does not hold on this side of schism 1566435;1478911630;BingoBoingo;brb, sober time. 1566436;1478911697;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: that's fine I'll just relying on people generosity with voice until I've de-annoyed enough to get a rating :) 1566437;1478911716;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: schism? 1566438;1478911786;BingoBoingo;Maybe you should set a timer? Fill a flowerpot with soil and plant some bluegrass seed. Keep on your desk. If you read fast enough maybe you will have historical context before grass germinates? 1566439;1478911823;BingoBoingo;Make sure your timer is bluegrass, ryegrass timers go off too soon. 1566440;1478911935;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: ack'd. I've gotta work my way up maslow's hierarchy before I have a desk to put the bluegrass seed on 1566441;1478911987;the_scourge;lots has happened while i was away. Brexit like wtf 1566442;1478912070;the_scourge;Gonna go hit the gym. Hopefully I'll be able to get a VPS and do some reading next time I'm online. Good to see you guys are all doing stellar 1566443;1478916685;mircea_popescu;!!up dangerwolf2 1566444;1478916685;deedbot;dangerwolf2 voiced for 30 minutes. 1566445;1478959101;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/lets-drain-the-domain-name-swamp/ << who's doing it ? 1566446;1478959756;Framedragger;tempting, tbh. and educational. i'll ping after i sit down and consult my depressing TODO. 1566447;1478960063;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/lets-drain-the-domain-name-swamp/ << Trilema - Let's drain the domain name swamp 1566448;1478961245;Framedragger;"automated admin interface direct to the server so you can update anything at any time with a signed pgpgram" sounds very juicy indeed 1566449;1478961501;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i assume that you would not care much for a "preferred and secondary dns servers" setup, wherein if dns1 returns no record for whitehouse.gov, dns2 is queried? i personally would still like to be able to visit the reich's web. but dunno if this is compatible with teh republic :p 1566450;1478961637;Framedragger;oh god, and of course there's no standardised dns client design in relation to primary/secondary dns servers. or so it seems. linux supports nice multihomed dns, but the latter works best if there are separate TLDs for the different dns servers. 1566451;1478961637;Framedragger; 1566452;1478961776;Framedragger;(actually, ideally there'd be a quick way to switch dns servers so that whitehouse.gov could be resolved via dns1/dns2. i guess it's a matter of having two+ .conf's, and symlinking resolver.conf to any one of them.) 1566453;1478962177;shinohai;unrelated dns snickers: http://lenadunham.ca/ 1566454;1478963722;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/qVZtu << first blood? 1566455;1478963754;asciilifeform;(~black~ d00d finally shoots into the 'protester' crowd) 1566456;1478963782;asciilifeform;likewise from the fishwraps: https://archive.is/VMCWj >> of possible BingoBoingo interest 1566457;1478963882;phf;"damn you crackers can't do nothin right" 1566458;1478963912;trinque;Framedragger: you can do that by simply configuring more than one DNS server on your own box 1566459;1478963929;trinque;doesn't need to have anything to do with the republican DNS 1566460;1478963980;phf;we need a vanity ip address though, kind of like google's 8.8.8.8 1566461;1478964004;*;shinohai hopes it is 0.6.6.6 1566462;1478964004;Framedragger;apparently however, if first dns server returns no-record, (at least) linux will not attempt 2nd dns server :( 1566463;1478964007;asciilifeform;could buy 3.1.3.7 from the turks... 1566464;1478964022;Framedragger;(cf. dns timeout, which is different) 1566465;1478964050;Framedragger;trinque: ^ (but to be tested etc) 1566466;1478964067;Framedragger;ref. http://www.unix.com/ip-networking/133552-howto-linux-multihomed-dns-client.html 1566467;1478964144;trinque;Framedragger: yeah, I figured you'd have to combine them with your own server 1566468;1478964150;trinque;I use unbound over here; it's pretty good 1566469;1478964190;trinque;at any rate I care less about convenience and more about not asking hitler when the republic doesn't have a name 1566470;1478964244;*;trinque has to depart to retrieve broken down lady friend's truck, will think on this 1566471;1478964261;phf;i'm already using unbound this way (my hosts file is all the dns i need, but i have a script that periodically syncs it into router's unbound.) 1566472;1478964307;phf;mostly so i can read the log by going to http://wintermute/log/ from my phone 1566473;1478964493;asciilifeform;dns imho is simply evil, and should not be put on life support, but properly shot. 1566474;1478964556;asciilifeform;0 meaningful redundancy, 0 authentication ( you have nfi whether you are talking to tmsr dns box or hitler at your isp closet ) , massively drepperistic codebase , generally turdalicious design in 1,001 ways. 1566475;1478964559;asciilifeform;it needs to die. 1566476;1478964591;Framedragger;(bbl) 1566477;1478964843;asciilifeform;the correct way to 'dns' is to 1) gossipd , which gives you 2) http://mypubkey/ahostnameofmine/... 1566478;1478964919;phf;"... why are you crying, little nastasya? -- i too want to live in soviet union" 1566479;1478964966;asciilifeform;hey we can describe space tether lift without having one also. 1566480;1478964983;asciilifeform;including exact minimal tensile strength, etc. 1566481;1478965730;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i don't see the problem with it, tbh. 1566482;1478965809;mircea_popescu;set up your client to pick two-of-three, give it 1 republic and 2 reich servers. it'll give you republic for all the things reich doesn't know and reich for stuff like apple.com 1566483;1478965819;mircea_popescu;or set it vice-versa, get vice-versa. whatever you prefer. 1566484;1478965841;mircea_popescu;point remains there is ABSOLUTELY no reason usg may maintain "the" dns register. 1566485;1478965852;mircea_popescu;there mayn't be a THE dns register ; and nobody asked the usg anything. 1566486;1478966396;shinohai;http://archive.is/LxF1l <<< who could have predicted random redditard wouldn't return with imaginary 25 1/2 BTC if Trump won. 1566487;1478966418;mircea_popescu;awww 1566488;1478966499;mircea_popescu;the funny thing is that redditards themselves fully agree that what they say isn't worth the paper it's not printed on. 1566489;1478966506;mircea_popescu;somehow when i say that it's contentious, but otherwise the consensus. 1566490;1478966704;mircea_popescu;aaand qntra owns "the great again" on google. 1566491;1478967021;shinohai;!~google The great again 1566492;1478967022;jhvh1;shinohai: Make America Great Again - Wikipedia: ; Trump Is Already Making America Great Again - Forbes: ; To Make America Great Again , Write Off The Private Debt - Forbes: (1 more message) 1566493;1478967032;shinohai;!~more 1566494;1478967032;jhvh1;shinohai: 1566495;1478967034;mircea_popescu;hm 1566496;1478967040;shinohai;bleh this search 1566497;1478967041;mircea_popescu;!~google "the great again" 1566498;1478967042;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Make America Great Again - Wikipedia: ; Trump Is Already Making America Great Again - Forbes: ; To Make America Great Again , Write Off The Private Debt - Forbes: (1 more message) 1566499;1478967046;mircea_popescu;weird. 1566500;1478967101;asciilifeform;!~google жить стало лучше, жить стало веселее 1566501;1478967102;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Жить стало лучше , жить стало веселее — Википедия: (3 more messages) 1566502;1478967123;asciilifeform;!~more 1566503;1478967123;jhvh1;asciilifeform: ; Жить стало лучше , жить стало веселее — (2 more messages) 1566504;1478967138;asciilifeform;ick 1566505;1478967144;mircea_popescu;lol 1566506;1478967190;mircea_popescu;zhit/shit parallel is hysterical too. 1566507;1478967289;asciilifeform;in this flavour, why not go to your garden and plant a самшит (buxus) 1566508;1478967302;asciilifeform;'someshit'. 1566509;1478967304;mircea_popescu;lol 1566510;1478967336;mircea_popescu;and in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_hikzbm5a0 1566511;1478967398;phf;asciilifeform: probably better a direct link to OP, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ecox54PfMc8 1566512;1478967417;asciilifeform;phf: i have of course seen. 1566513;1478967750;phf;asciilifeform: what are you saying, comrade datskovskiy, that you're getting tired of listening to comrade stalin speak? 1566514;1478967773;asciilifeform;lel, nein 1566515;1478967787;*;asciilifeform claps always until the bell !1111 1566516;1478967864;mircea_popescu;^G 1566517;1478967980;mircea_popescu;though i must confess that "write off private debt" thing is pretty lulzy. 1566518;1478967987;mircea_popescu;TOTALLY will make everything great again. 1566519;1478968266;mircea_popescu;and in other news the dow is up about 500 since nov 8. where's all the "finance experts" discussing what will happen pre nov 8 ? i seem to recall a consensus... 1566520;1478968316;mircea_popescu;all time historical high etc. 1566521;1478969163;shinohai;http://archive.is/XRWXH "The outermost layer is guarded by Afghan forces and second and more inner layers of security are guarded by US forces" Reminiscent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqJwD35wWhY 1566522;1478970376;mircea_popescu;Iol 1566523;1478970518;mircea_popescu;and in red glasses today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/dbff565613df9cef7f6d38428b4a00da/tumblr_n0jn2ng2zS1s59ueeo1_1280.jpg 1566524;1478970534;asciilifeform;rerun! 1566525;1478970548;mircea_popescu;i didn't realise you watch ALL of these! 1566526;1478970556;asciilifeform;aha! 1566527;1478970570;asciilifeform;part of balanced diet!1111 1566528;1478970573;mircea_popescu;lol 1566529;1478971069;shinohai;!~later tell mod6 Doing new build based on latest exp vpatch ... patches fine now will update on finish. 1566530;1478971069;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1566531;1478971303;mod6;alrighty thanks. 1566532;1478971336;mod6;im changing out a coilpack on this caddy today. should be around later tho. 1566533;1478971472;shinohai;sweet ... turns out the discrepancy from a few nights ago was indeed whitespace causing checksum to fail 1566534;1478971551;asciilifeform;shinohai: is the earlier part of this conversation in the log ? 1566535;1478971639;shinohai;maybe the #trilema-mod6 logs xD 1566536;1478974568;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/10/what-is-the-difference-between-bill-clinton-and-bill-cosby-a-qntest-with-bitcoin-prizes/#comment-78121 << QNtest prizes paid 1566537;1478974744;shinohai;Hey I was a winner thx BingoBoingo \o/ 1566538;1478978762;BingoBoingo;If only they had a clue https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTrumpSupporters/comments/49b3ct/what_does_he_mean_by_make_america_great_again/ 1566539;1478979613;shinohai;!!up the_scourge 1566540;1478979613;deedbot;the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1566541;1478981909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/717D4A760838A101170142199E0E5544EBADD449BC4BCA39935CB45F3619731E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RS 1566542;1478981909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/50840391E5677882196999C9AE77F3177E6CBF8D35FB4F1FEF848CFADF9088B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RS 1566543;1478981909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/674F2EB3301FA29245FEA083C0BC505B7B3F7DFD2C80335451217C5CD63EE4F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RS 1566544;1478981909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/414D490F9C9FE8881EFF65B6CA72F3715E9E300657B22A59B8E7ED21331440A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12112458962443811657852642790418156064715691782391267196623193592865437638816580234966693895797140586829374262639837413276262611288772800264455185624197809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.181 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Fre 1566545;1478981909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/05654F6204A0FB615199D4DB4E442FFFCA74621F46A18B5E74CB978504E480F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.148 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.148 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) < 1566546;1478981909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/763930076E165275AF7659105A2A31F61AE3FBF931A7E188B2DC146EFFC7CF49 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.178.64.147 (ssh-rsa key from 41.178.64.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) < 1566547;1478981910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E840C2FC34B3F9B8B95E6D12E18267E717ACBE1494C34DFA9055710347573A7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 32094612339948189447948179783588092796973784028146716183449249266595409637294065230814599652546614172003881897026799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '116.105.59.120 (ssh-rsa key from 116.105.59.120 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) 1566548;1478981910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9391975A58F2076533C0620DA0F9A907654C158C131E19E844E0280CA4743FAB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12536743538360722564314886104088288009406045568919189749047182133051161371037596506770817537762690719517714512492540108959099690204227240368085926718995739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.165 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566549;1478981911;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/77184BC23AC4DB43E119F2D04BA1644ED4516AD9A79EC526CB88AC8D5E8C269F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13121490319544045095687125454413238118906652830622286944973205617858174952856420806303258825724394321236351298452250214123495518947143445773183065922265713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.97 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F 1566550;1478981911;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E7AC0EEF980D94B18797FD2B95C091C4EAC05B15C9FCB329825F05B81B8D903 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.245 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566551;1478981912;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90FB0A6FDBCC29562706DB570C44344EDFF37AF529CEF92560914D7CE26B8192 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.151 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566552;1478981912;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C961D62D59B78442DB2FA4C4ABC4CE874FE0E95418BBDA01785049DB58B02591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.12 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F 1566553;1478981913;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B9669858203080326DB86F3AB1B88D51F892D38F17EA587F71640F604BA7AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.247 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566554;1478981913;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9A34020BD86CCFD722610615BCEA3BC872B7161FCFEB84222CAAD4208C7869B5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112094328079454196323478374244795527089343458690821430371267390905955702418343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.14.77 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.14.77 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; 1566555;1478981914;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/89B9986669FC0DDDC234C7D8D296527FC8336AD24BDCEABF0945DCA3E0F4425F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 112094328079454196323478374244795527089343458690821430371267390905955702418343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.2.129 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.2.129 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; 1566556;1478981914;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F0C1D7FC12ADF6EB3C7C6D1E7DB4B7577DBB8E6EA63BD037166DB4C451E5B1C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11023402138283447639302064945889947607716177677557100500192365203268440589852071061265911602667657012010994162016389432526687414271036949527192087497852123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '111.1.89.150 (ssh-rsa key from 111.1.89.150 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F 1566557;1478981915;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BBADA96008A60D21731F466A0AEA2C89799243667E47FAAF79CDE18F9F765E23 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11023402138283447639302064945889947607716177677557100500192365203268440589852071061265911602667657012010994162016389432526687414271036949527192087497852123 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.15.209.37 (ssh-rsa key from 112.15.209.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566558;1478981915;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0C3A1D78F885FB20EC5D9CF1B337AF9D2777CEAEB127AC0267053729A07169EE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 178188286058940446843129806978225085484828750153155470983986739787049547405571412793523935902022540754659164771965861335127896524616311627077853482059070488989827961067810778074106061119558877140418942388684516214206290842507885688211497867609149530249744114103533048500810474528893610933328645171427799454983 divides RS 1566559;1478981916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/76E697F30A4E752C5CC1E843FD7824E9CA30FF39053ABE3AC10AE3F7A11183B8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 178188286058940446843129806978225085484828750153155470983986739787049547405571412793523935902022540754659164771965861335127896524616311627077853482059070488989827961067810778074106061119558877140418942388684516214206290842507885688211497867609149530249744114103533048500810474528893610933328645171427799454983 divides RS 1566560;1478981916;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/992D0B040E637E4C73F44FBED9797EAEE0C6C142C6867F62834238C172355BB9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 144735998940216442788141879942131789447917740981817153828999689388721142909582003024286615092147612076994875160898520455002033948946387430694894234400341139082727331003469498791750377232749719906087815395027938983348464865624184022855303124571447891928595964480820832445012807484780662834006012269550641702359 divides RS 1566561;1478981917;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AA786BCE13AB13D449613C1356D8F33F890F81ED9E0E06B74E71E91D258C8479 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 144735998940216442788141879942131789447917740981817153828999689388721142909582003024286615092147612076994875160898520455002033948946387430694894234400341139082727331003469498791750377232749719906087815395027938983348464865624184022855303124571447891928595964480820832445012807484780662834006012269550641702359 divides RS 1566562;1478981940;shinohai;well 1566563;1478981964;trinque;hory sheit 1566564;1478982274;BingoBoingo;Popular numbers! 1566565;1478982340;mircea_popescu;loller 1566566;1478982368;mircea_popescu;poor phuctor was backed up! 1566567;1478982479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F152F85B65B1157786B05B882E47E5469DD4604EA31C19E5A4935D949ABB104 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12536743538360722564314886104088288009406045568919189749047182133051161371037596506770817537762690719517714512492540108959099690204227240368085926718995739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.253 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.253 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566568;1478982479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9391975A58F2076533C0620DA0F9A907654C158C131E19E844E0280CA4743FAB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12536743538360722564314886104088288009406045568919189749047182133051161371037596506770817537762690719517714512492540108959099690204227240368085926718995739 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.165 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.165 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566569;1478982479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ECA7334CD14C2C63BA2520F07454AAD13B704DB000A0861C23F6867BBC943C04 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13121490319544045095687125454413238118906652830622286944973205617858174952856420806303258825724394321236351298452250214123495518947143445773183065922265713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.41 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F 1566570;1478982479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/77184BC23AC4DB43E119F2D04BA1644ED4516AD9A79EC526CB88AC8D5E8C269F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13121490319544045095687125454413238118906652830622286944973205617858174952856420806303258825724394321236351298452250214123495518947143445773183065922265713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.97 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F 1566571;1478982479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4E2D702AA8BFB0C7A822F143AFCF086F7B2A82E48F9E0BEF9C9D504E11FE718 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12112458962443811657852642790418156064715691782391267196623193592865437638816580234966693895797140586829374262639837413276262611288772800264455185624197809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.178 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566572;1478982479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/414D490F9C9FE8881EFF65B6CA72F3715E9E300657B22A59B8E7ED21331440A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12112458962443811657852642790418156064715691782391267196623193592865437638816580234966693895797140586829374262639837413276262611288772800264455185624197809 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.181 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Fre 1566573;1478982492;BingoBoingo;Phuctor prolly feels good finally clearing its colon 1566574;1478982563;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait so like 5 diff people won ? 1566575;1478982596;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah, best 5 jokes win bitcent plus inequality kicker 1566576;1478982604;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 1566577;1478982620;mircea_popescu;lol wiener. pretty good jokes in the end 1566578;1478982635;BingoBoingo;Exactly enough entries to award five different people without awarding for shit jokes 1566579;1478982640;mircea_popescu;win. 1566580;1478982723;*;BingoBoingo figures this is the way to do low barrier to entry contests and a vast improvement over the radio call in to enter model. 1566581;1478982924;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol at redditards "rewriting history". o noes, THEY get to say what this guy means ? hurr. 1566582;1478982948;mircea_popescu;apparently the idea of the lazy bum that he can keep right on being a lazy bum goes away with the last breath of the lazy bum and not before. 1566583;1478983059;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at teh party hut, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ae2852a4bc56747e1a6d4e957c24ade2/tumblr_my7x0gnMsz1s8rc6go1_1280.jpg 1566584;1478984170;asciilifeform;woah. 1566585;1478984309;asciilifeform;1st france iirc. 1566586;1478984398;asciilifeform;!!up the_scourge 1566587;1478984399;deedbot;the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1566588;1478984420;the_scourge;shinohai: lol @ lenadunhham.ca 1566589;1478984475;shinohai;I wonder if that gave her hives too. 1566590;1478984490;mircea_popescu;i confess i didn't get it 1566591;1478984510;mircea_popescu;ugh. random chick that "is known" for some... hbo series debuted 2012 ? 1566592;1478984521;mircea_popescu;dude give me a fucking break, you can't be "known" for cable shows from last year wtf is this. 1566593;1478984535;shinohai;She was one of the outspoken ones "Imma leave the US if Trump is elected" ones 1566594;1478984535;mircea_popescu;"That year Dunham was included in the Time 100 list of the most influential people in the world." 1566595;1478984537;mircea_popescu;they're insane. 1566596;1478984551;the_scourge;shinohai: I'm still trying to work out how they did the dns. Obviously they are only hosting the one page which was just ripped off the gc.ca site, but dig says 199.73.55.35 is the IP, and that 404's 1566597;1478984556;mircea_popescu;there's no other way around it. nobody on a fucking stick with a cable show "most influential people" ? 1566598;1478984562;shinohai;Hence, cattle entry from US to Canada 1566599;1478984589;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: she's a cow. She declared that if trump won she would go to Canada. Canada doesn't want her (because ironically we actually have immigration laws) 1566600;1478984647;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: she is the lena "sister fister" dunham. that's what she's famous for: having fisted her 4 year old sister 1566601;1478984674;mircea_popescu;she did ?! 1566602;1478984684;the_scourge;and being a superhero for young ladies (according to the left) 1566603;1478984696;mircea_popescu;dude get out. nobody heard of her. 1566604;1478984702;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: yuppers 1566605;1478984719;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: dude she's famous as fuck! 1566606;1478984755;mircea_popescu;all i see is a wanna-be tucker max. is that guy famous as 3 fucks so she can be famous as one fuck or what ? 1566607;1478984778;mircea_popescu;there's just not that many fucks for all the nobodyes to be famous you realise. 1566608;1478984780;the_scourge;I'll have to ddg tucker max, never heard of him 1566609;1478984821;the_scourge;meh looks like a complete waste of time 1566610;1478984856;the_scourge;a cheap, establishment approved version of Dan Bilzerian (who is still a waste of time) 1566611;1478984867;the_scourge;lena dunham is NOTHING like those guys 1566612;1478984892;the_scourge;she is a very very powerful woman. what she says is considered VERY VERY fucking important (even though it's all bullshit) 1566613;1478984965;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: put it this way. How easy is it for you to get published in the NYT? She finds it very easy 1566614;1478984997;*;the_scourge can't wait for this fucking upside down world to get crushed. Praying for rain come January 1566615;1478985142;the_scourge;asciilifeform: Was your WH prophecy inspired by idiocracy? 1566616;1478985278;asciilifeform;?? 1566617;1478985460;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I believe he is referring to me driving truck on white house lawn 1566618;1478985477;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://212.3.162.228 << this and coulplea others -- new type of turd 1566619;1478985497;asciilifeform;looks like yet another tropos-style pole-top radio 1566620;1478985624;*;BingoBoingo may have maybe oversold that one off remark because the grass is always greener on my side of the fence 1566621;1478985715;mircea_popescu;the_scourge dude get out. she's nobody on a stick, to a larger degree than that other nobodyu on a stick. you think different because you have no exposure to the world. 1566622;1478985749;asciilifeform;http://111.1.89.150/web/device/login?lang=0 << 'h3c itop', yet another device. 1566623;1478985753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform looks like small town isp, am i missinganything ? 1566624;1478985762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: almost all of these match that profile. 1566625;1478985769;asciilifeform;the 'small town something-or-other' 1566626;1478985777;mircea_popescu;if we had the uci ready, we could run republican dns on these. 1566627;1478985789;asciilifeform;typically, 'infrastructural' routers, a few boxen that might be scada sensors or similar 1566628;1478985810;asciilifeform;where the chumps actually thought that you get something for the two or three extra zeroes on the price tag vs the konsoomer version 1566629;1478985821;asciilifeform;(they were... right. you get: this.) 1566630;1478986020;BingoBoingo;!!up MagnusFox 1566631;1478986020;deedbot;MagnusFox voiced for 30 minutes. 1566632;1478986026;asciilifeform;http://41.178.64.147/land/index.asp?lg=1&1 << webcam 1566633;1478986036;MagnusFox;Hello, Thanks 1566634;1478986093;the_scourge;mircea_popescu: i agree with you. But the rest of the world does not. The powers that be have declared her to be important 1566635;1478986118;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: Fat bitches can't be important 1566636;1478986140;the_scourge;asciilifeform: yah I was talking about the pickup truck on the whitehouse lawn 1566637;1478986148;mircea_popescu;the_scourge your idea of "thje rest of the world" is based on some fly droppings you gaze on the peeling wallpaper that constitutes your only wall decoration, on a wall you watch every day. 1566638;1478986152;the_scourge;BingoBoingo: if they are, then you know the world is fucked 1566639;1478986165;mircea_popescu;that you decided to call fly droppings in a poor man's room "the rest of the world" has no bearing on either flies, excrement or the world. 1566640;1478986221;mircea_popescu;this thing's developing ai. 1566641;1478986222;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What matters is the WHY of wallpaper peeling. Namely termites ate the drywall paper underneeth and now the decorative shit is failing to stick to raw gypsum. 1566642;1478986235;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat. 1566643;1478986270;BingoBoingo;Near universal mode of failure. Alternative is water damage which will lead to desribed mode of failure. 1566644;1478986595;mircea_popescu;and in other "very famous people nobody heard of / cares about", i give you http://68.media.tumblr.com/3a691d116528361dcc006f3dce94f7e7/tumblr_mxrh5dvbyj1ra9xwio2_1280.jpg 1566645;1478986603;mircea_popescu;there's even an intellectual (note the glasses). 1566646;1478988531;MagnusFox;mircea_popescu: you're right! 1566647;1478988826;ben_vulpes;"Download Winbox"! 1566648;1478988841;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-14-tmr-the-great-again-cometh/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 14 (TM)(R) – The Great Again Cometh 1566649;1478988918;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-12#1566382 see http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-03#1005216 1566650;1478988918;a111;Logged on 2016-11-12 00:08 the_scourge: BingoBoingo: alphrophecy not in the logs on either channel, what is that? 1566651;1478988918;a111;Logged on 2015-02-03 21:34 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yah cool, i did read through some logs << some lol. the point is that you've gotta pick up the variety speak, and that comes from reading logs in near-real-time for six months, not "some" or "a few" or "the ones i found interesting and/or easy" 1566652;1478989404;BingoBoingo;Abnormally long Xtend follows short Xtend. Likely to be followed by shorter Xtend because I can not forsee the flavor of lulz materially changing in a week. Not without The Great Again happening. 1566653;1478989663;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'was short' --> 'was shot' 1566654;1478989684;BingoBoingo;ty fxd 1566655;1478991546;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/uxHp0 << in other noose. 1566656;1478991554;asciilifeform;'Trump masks sold out in Japan… but why?' 1566657;1478992008;BingoBoingo;Irony of Ironies Trump offers more student payola to young'uns than clinton did 1566658;1478992058;BingoBoingo;http://www.cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2016/11/5_ways_donald_trump_could_affe.html 1566659;1478992325;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2016/11/terminal/ 1566660;1478995070;BingoBoingo;brb 1566661;1478998039;asciilifeform;in other noose, fred reed appearing in ru translation, http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/160469/?mra=1 , pigs flyin' 1566662;1478998079;asciilifeform;( original : http://fredoneverything.org/ok-now-what-the-party-is-over-cometh-the-hangover ) 1566663;1478998116;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/nyRMT ) 1566664;1478999227;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the continued economic stimulus wrought be the mere likelihood of The Great Again << by ? 1566665;1478999332;mircea_popescu;"My reaction to Trump’s victory is barely of interest to me, and so it may be that the world is not waiting in quiet desperation for an account." << check it out, someone fucking gets it. 1566666;1478999354;mircea_popescu;i also don't give a shit where "very famous" "times top 100 most powerful people" rando ho was when X event happened, or what she was doing. 1566667;1478999368;mircea_popescu;i already know. she was in some poor people hangout or other doing poor people thing a or b. 1566668;1478999797;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/SCVUM << in re yesterday's lulz. 1566669;1478999998;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/H9tXm << nyt does not want to go to the necessary oven. 1566670;1479000040;mircea_popescu;"I just want these important facts made clear on the blockchain" ? 1566671;1479000095;mircea_popescu;ajaahaha what the fuck independent original journalism. 1566672;1479000100;mircea_popescu;boycott new york times. 1566673;1479000239;mircea_popescu;also "sports" with black dudes kneeling in them. 1566674;1479000791;ben_vulpes;keep the pedolulz comin, asciilifeform 1566675;1479000818;ben_vulpes;and in other nyooz boy howdy am i glad that gm engineers understand the importance of redundant hood release systems 1566676;1479000852;ben_vulpes;don't even care how inconvenient the backup is so long as it works 1566677;1479000894;mircea_popescu;what's the backup release in your hood, dirty trombone ? 1566678;1479000920;ben_vulpes;QUITE NEARLY 1566679;1479003271;mod6;ugh, so wasn't a coil pack, but an injector. 1566680;1479004833;mod6;<+shinohai> maybe the #trilema-mod6 logs xD << feel free to join up if you like. 1566681;1479008056;*;asciilifeform went to 'comet pedo' restaurant 1566682;1479008073;asciilifeform;it was a bit depopulated but no picketers, or any other interesting thing. 1566683;1479008356;mod6;wassat? 1566684;1479008370;asciilifeform;mod6: see log 1566685;1479008394;asciilifeform;mod6: diner in dc owned by some clitler functionary, somehow became part of 'dnc pedo ring' meme 1566686;1479008407;mod6;ah 1566687;1479008440;asciilifeform;btw they threw out the mountain of self-congratularory clitleriana at 'politics & prose' b00kshop 1566688;1479008456;asciilifeform;replaced with 'activism' and 'feminism'-flavoured crapolade. 1566689;1479008479;asciilifeform;(a week ago it was full to the brim with items like 'how america almost made the trump mistake' etc.) 1566690;1479008628;mod6;lulztastic 1566691;1479009386;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/tXGWm << continued soros lelz 1566692;1479009455;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd 1566693;1479010776;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABDB6186B098E7A4DD2BA810ACE7460A8123E8EC55EEC6B72A22D57BE3540FA6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 159855333512451843472026806778642504568366666626793629327263232361614939681406920476030645904162078742892302288060639341354435706201800459693282289704473387364796697354867388414722375144170858105295052728970238720562724282100550217719070505306115433389131894918944866907745927128698067622606505655839808773429 divides RS 1566694;1479011317;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CD878F3B96E51C86EBA78CF30705EB001E68551C662B020D995E75CCC355371 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 159855333512451843472026806778642504568366666626793629327263232361614939681406920476030645904162078742892302288060639341354435706201800459693282289704473387364796697354867388414722375144170858105295052728970238720562724282100550217719070505306115433389131894918944866907745927128698067622606505655839808773429 divides RS 1566695;1479011318;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABDB6186B098E7A4DD2BA810ACE7460A8123E8EC55EEC6B72A22D57BE3540FA6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 159855333512451843472026806778642504568366666626793629327263232361614939681406920476030645904162078742892302288060639341354435706201800459693282289704473387364796697354867388414722375144170858105295052728970238720562724282100550217719070505306115433389131894918944866907745927128698067622606505655839808773429 divides RS 1566696;1479041573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you shoulda taken pics then lol, with the pics now it'd have been a great blogpost. 1566697;1479041731;mircea_popescu;"a school that has a huge lgbt community" ahahahaha gimme a break. 1566698;1479041783;mircea_popescu;i suppose next is a boot camp that has a huge intellectual community so nobody can do cleaning detail. 1566699;1479045659;mircea_popescu;and in other news, https://i.chzbgr.com/full/4217018880/h922FA687/ 1566700;1479046865;mircea_popescu;the least debated portion of trump's tax plan ? going from 12.6/6.3k standard deduction for peons to 30k/15k. 1566701;1479046936;mircea_popescu;this reflects an inflation of (30÷12.6)^(1÷12) = 7.5pa since bush2. 1566702;1479047066;mircea_popescu;(he's also taking out the estate tax. dude's REALLY trying to make the empire remnant republic friendly.) 1566703;1479047256;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : https://archive.is/DSXmS 1566704;1479047281;mircea_popescu;goodwin is right, a nyt bankruptcy / slashdot sale is very much in the books for 2017. 1566705;1479047452;mircea_popescu;if any of you is looking to buy a worthless paper asset - by all means, make an offer. odds are pretty good you'll be able to personally humiliate and then fire hundreds of "new york elites" (in their own head). 1566706;1479052427;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ << Trilema - And they won't fucking yield. 1566707;1479052898;mircea_popescu;in other news, man that bridget kelly is hawt. 1566708;1479054226;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566700 << and the shortfall will come from where, sale of harvard gurlz on syrian market ? one can dream... 1566709;1479054226;a111;Logged on 2016-11-13 14:21 mircea_popescu: the least debated portion of trump's tax plan ? going from 12.6/6.3k standard deduction for peons to 30k/15k. 1566710;1479054260;asciilifeform;thus far mr t's list is most reminiscent imho of jimmy carter's campaign plank, where he promised to 'show the aliens' 1566711;1479054559;asciilifeform;while it is not afaik impossible for a 70 y.o. d00d to climb out of 'presidential' cockpit, where most of the knobs are not connected to anything, and into 'fuhrer' cockpit, where they are... 1566712;1479054881;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/#comment-119700 << see also. 1566713;1479055916;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. he's about 10trn deficit for the first 18 months or so. 1566714;1479055943;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe china will be so impressed with "being labeled" whatever and having some derpy butter-smelling dorks in suits bark at its ankles it'll underwrite even moar us debt 1566715;1479057667;asciilifeform;lel 1566716;1479057706;mircea_popescu;anything is possibru! 1566717;1479058007;asciilifeform;i still do not fully grasp the intricate chumpatron that is chinese trade with usa 1566718;1479058016;asciilifeform;in exchange for what, exactly, do they send the plastic toys. 1566719;1479058023;asciilifeform;shares in imaginary 'great again's ? 1566720;1479058172;asciilifeform;is it possible that there are 'two chinas', one healthy, that makes gear for self - pencils, jet fighters, et al, and one diseased, that is in any possible light really part of the american chumpatronic system, that uses up valuable resourced & labour to make plastic orange pumpking for halloween decorations in usa, ipnohe, etc. ? 1566721;1479058173;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re. dorks registering trilema, gotcha. i wasn't sure how "human-neutral" you imagined the system to be (I wasn't thinking of anything along the crazy lines of "no humans needed" ethereum, note). 1566722;1479058183;asciilifeform;*resources 1566723;1479058233;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they're great collectors of art. 1566724;1479058249;asciilifeform;how's that work? usa pays in van goghs ? 1566725;1479058252;mircea_popescu;nah 1566726;1479058277;mircea_popescu;consider the case of a very hot chick. the... churly, impotent approach is to go "she's a slut, i don't give a shit about her" like that, off the top. 1566727;1479058291;mircea_popescu;the actual adult male will first fuck her into pudding, and THEN decide she's justr a slut he doesn't give a shit about. 1566728;1479058346;mircea_popescu;china got a lot of enjoyment out of the first generations of kids to go to harvard in the 80s, and out of the first imported murican tchotchkes to put up for display in the village museum. recall the boiled mangos story ? 1566729;1479058350;mircea_popescu;great admirers of art. 1566730;1479058354;asciilifeform;betcha this is how pashtuns see white man, 'fool, dismisses perfectly fine donkey without even fucking ONCE!111' 1566731;1479058367;mircea_popescu;quite possibly. 1566732;1479058449;asciilifeform;if they actually subscribe to this 'shoot first, then ask questions' approach, then china is properly part of usa 1566733;1479058466;asciilifeform;as in, infected with same syphilis, and will go to same place. 1566734;1479058502;mircea_popescu;it's a foolish notion this, that by putting the slave to work you're benefiting out of their sweat. not so. all the ancient stories go on to tell how the hardworked orphan girl upset the arranged marriage of the princess ; and my own experience show the exact same : what useful labour you extract out of the slave is naught compared to the slave's educational benefits. 1566735;1479058511;mircea_popescu;so really - they keep sending the plastic toys because who gives a shit. 1566736;1479058519;mircea_popescu;the real money is in china. 1566737;1479058527;asciilifeform;the nonrenewable lanthanides give a shit. 1566738;1479058545;mircea_popescu;apparently they did the math and it came out "not so". 1566739;1479058551;mircea_popescu;truth be told you have nfi how much they hold. 1566740;1479058571;asciilifeform;hey, ru also went '1,2,3,infinite petro' 1566741;1479058574;asciilifeform;but there are no infinites. 1566742;1479058661;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re. dns which serves the republicans, and thinking along those lines ("are you in good standing to even register a name?"), fair enough if you'd prefer to have someone else than me do the republican dns thing. (i'd be interested, and would be good education, but then, republican efforts != educational charity). :) 1566743;1479058676;asciilifeform;stalin understood the basic problem with exporting nonrenewables in exchange for paper. 1566744;1479058699;asciilifeform;( it is exactly what a colony does, the only +ev form of colonial rape even. ) 1566745;1479058700;mircea_popescu;Framedragger note that i don't particularly see the value in restrictioning anything. in principle anyone should be able to register a domain for his bitcent - even if he puts no gpg key in there. he just won't be able to admin it, big whoop./ 1566746;1479058721;mircea_popescu;this doesn't relate to an early stage where we draw up who owns what from the legacy world. 1566747;1479058721;Framedragger;aha. i see what you mean. 1566748;1479058741;Framedragger;oh, that is for certain. "are you apple? really - prove it." 1566749;1479058773;mircea_popescu;nothing keeps them EVEN NOW from making an account to be prepared for it. nothing, of course, other than their petulant, obsessive hatred of humanity. 1566750;1479058934;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'd imagine making any changes to domain records to be a matter of sending a pgpgram, like you said and like mpex works. 1566751;1479058940;mircea_popescu;aha 1566752;1479058994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand : trading "nonrenewables" for machinery is EXACTLY how all human industry works. whether you use up some steel to have a bunch of idiots experiment with it to make a cannon ; or ship some to blackbox for cannon to come out is in the end just a matter of ratios. 1566753;1479059027;mircea_popescu;(eg if you only ever want 500 cannons and the ratio for the research is 1:1000 whereas the black box ratio is 1:500, then you're better off doing the black box if available) 1566754;1479059030;asciilifeform;trading cannon for paper is trading 'protocol' for 'promise'. 1566755;1479059040;mircea_popescu;you don't have to trade for paper. 1566756;1479059047;asciilifeform;(and the chinese do it with known fraud artists whose promises are worth ~0) 1566757;1479059075;mircea_popescu;i'm in no great position to judge china's actual exposure, esp because they're so manically secretive. i dun expect you're in any better. 1566758;1479059082;asciilifeform;i for one have nfi what usa has to offer other than promises. 1566759;1479059087;mircea_popescu;so far as can be seen their investments worked judiciously. 1566760;1479059092;asciilifeform;maybe - stockpile of virgin unicorn tears. for all i know. 1566761;1479059111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this can be said for any investment in a pyramid all the way until the end. 1566762;1479059118;asciilifeform;judicious, then, suddenly, not so much. 1566763;1479059120;mircea_popescu;true. 1566764;1479059149;mircea_popescu;the us taxpayer seems more likely to be left with the bagholding, than china, but who's to know the future. 1566765;1479059165;asciilifeform;i do not expect to personally live to verify this guess, but i suspect that the chinese will remember the 1980-20xx period as something akin to the opium wars 1566766;1479059175;asciilifeform;a national mistake, like the old dope habit. 1566767;1479059201;mircea_popescu;notrly. it turned them from the mudpacking "cultural revolution" to an industrial superpower. it's the most important moment of chinese history, throughout its 6 millenia. 1566768;1479059211;mircea_popescu;it'll more likely be celebrated, like "victory-over-japan" day. 1566769;1479059242;asciilifeform;now i have nfi how much of the 'super' industry is geared for jet fighter, and how much - for plastic pumpkins and ipnohe. 1566770;1479059250;asciilifeform;answer might depend on this. 1566771;1479059276;mircea_popescu;look, 1970 china was ~on par with n korea. they could make kalash rounds, maybe, if someone helped a little. 1566772;1479059282;mircea_popescu;2010 china owns the us in rocketry. 1566773;1479059295;asciilifeform;north kr also owns usa in rocketry. 1566774;1479059296;asciilifeform;today. 1566775;1479059302;mircea_popescu;nah. 1566776;1479059315;asciilifeform;(they have, iirc, at least 1 working launch system. unlike usa.) 1566777;1479059355;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566749 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566177 1566778;1479059355;a111;Logged on 2016-11-13 17:39 mircea_popescu: nothing keeps them EVEN NOW from making an account to be prepared for it. nothing, of course, other than their petulant, obsessive hatred of humanity. 1566779;1479059355;a111;Logged on 2016-11-11 22:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-11#1566143 << this is the core of "private banking". "do you have a lot of money ? are you too dumb to understand how wires work ? we only cost $500 a month (+some % of your every move in small print)" 1566780;1479059362;mircea_popescu;and in other nightmare fuels, http://68.media.tumblr.com/d5e74589708d3a27531c609e2ec651ef/tumblr_mxd566dC6N1sl0njeo1_1280.jpg 1566781;1479059365;asciilifeform;amoeba cannot surrender, it has no nervous system 1566782;1479059373;asciilifeform;let's work this one out, for educational lulz 1566783;1479059379;asciilifeform;picture if 'apple makes pgp key' 1566784;1479059385;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1566785;1479059412;asciilifeform;what this means ? that now 1 d00d 'is apple', like louis l'etat c'est moi ? 1566786;1479059417;mircea_popescu;yep. 1566787;1479059422;asciilifeform;this is not plug-compatible with fiat reich. 1566788;1479059425;mircea_popescu;so ? 1566789;1479059427;asciilifeform;where 'apple' is an organization, with board, etc. 1566790;1479059443;mircea_popescu;the question is not what the "new york elite" / press jewry wants or thinks possible. 1566791;1479059447;mircea_popescu;the dick will go in, and all the way., 1566792;1479059449;mircea_popescu;that's all. 1566793;1479059449;asciilifeform;so -- it'd be a lie, if some d00d, even the resurrected corpse of jobs, etc., showed up with key and said 'i am apple' 1566794;1479059455;asciilifeform;apple - is an amoeba. 1566795;1479059463;mircea_popescu;not a lie. the only possible truth. 1566796;1479059465;mircea_popescu;the other thing is the lie. 1566797;1479059480;asciilifeform;well he goes into work the next day and the door dun open. 1566798;1479059495;asciilifeform;so now 'apple' is very small and consists of 1 unemployed ex-ceo d00d, or.. 1566799;1479059530;mircea_popescu;i'm sure it'll open. consider : even someone from thje fucking mailroom could have the sense to make the damned key. then in six months to a year and a half when they have desperate board meetings over "nobody could have predicted ; wut do" he waltzes in, gives them the key, becomes "vp for not being dumb" 1566800;1479059555;mircea_popescu;the republic, here as everywhere, now as always, forces a certain mode of life. where people matter ; where individuals rule ; etcetera. 1566801;1479059569;mircea_popescu;that an endless list of retards fail to take advantage speaks nothing of interest to the republic. 1566802;1479059578;mircea_popescu;chairs also don't vote ; this is of no electoral interest whatsoever. 1566803;1479059599;asciilifeform;i'm still not sold on the concept of a pgp key in multiple pockets being any different an affair from old fiatola reich control. 1566804;1479059608;mircea_popescu;they can implement it any way they want. 1566805;1479059615;mircea_popescu;some work better than others, of course, which happens to be fine. 1566806;1479059621;asciilifeform;1 man - 1 key ; sanity. 11 men, 23 winblows boxes, 1 key -- soup. 1566807;1479059640;asciilifeform;and when you have the soup, the inevitable 'exceptions' are demanded, and given. 1566808;1479059649;asciilifeform;and suddenly no more 'who holds the key, controls crapple' 1566809;1479059655;asciilifeform;suddenly, 'shareholders' with 'rights.' 1566810;1479059662;mircea_popescu;why do you care ? 1566811;1479059679;mircea_popescu;let them run their own household. they're the "cutting edge advanced tech cum harvard grad" corp, not you. 1566812;1479059687;asciilifeform;because even the hypothetical is an abuse, imho, of basic physical law, like 'one day 2==1' 1566813;1479059702;mircea_popescu;eh. 1566814;1479059754;asciilifeform;'shall be delivered' is imho best possible illustration of what i spoke of here. 1566815;1479059787;mircea_popescu;anyone's free to do things whichever way they wish, what. they then get to live with the results. 1566816;1479059898;asciilifeform;i suspect that the most interesting 'fault lines' might be the ~existing~ 'mail room clerks with key' 1566817;1479059912;asciilifeform;namely, the folks in physical possession of the magic keys for amd, intel, crapple, etc. 1566818;1479059927;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1566819;1479059941;asciilifeform;it is already, consider, quite physically possible for some d00d to register here with the amd key (visible in phuctor) 1566820;1479059954;mircea_popescu;the broken one ? 1566821;1479059955;asciilifeform;then -- we know he has what to offer. 1566822;1479059965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the half dozen nonbroken ones 1566823;1479059969;asciilifeform;burned into the mask rom 1566824;1479059971;mircea_popescu;ah yeah, ok. 1566825;1479059988;mircea_popescu;he certainly gets amd.com or w/e. 1566826;1479060000;asciilifeform;(a ~broken~ key on phuctor is worth the skin of a dead donkey) 1566827;1479060005;mircea_popescu;quite. 1566828;1479060085;asciilifeform;likewise, if microshit wants to talk, or even participate on tmsr planet in the face of 1 surviving d00d, it can sign with its master key. 1566829;1479060149;asciilifeform;in this type of case, and only this type, do we have any 'protocolic' proof that the key represents actual power remaining from the old organization, and not 'mail room clerk with high selfesteem' 1566830;1479060214;mircea_popescu;it matters little. 1566831;1479060236;mircea_popescu;i am not concerned with the pretense of fiat orgs, not even so much as to regard a supposed "continuity" as relevant. 1566832;1479060288;asciilifeform;it is relevant if and only if a key has 'teeth', e.g., opens backdoor in every x86 box on the net, etc. 1566833;1479060293;asciilifeform;otherwise -- academic. 1566834;1479060313;mircea_popescu;apparently no shortage of backdoors anyway. 1566835;1479060329;mircea_popescu;by now it's apparent they're so many every discrete point is overlapped by an uncountable set. 1566836;1479060353;asciilifeform;'disposable,' patchable pwnholes are not quite same thing as iron backdoor. 1566837;1479060372;asciilifeform;(i.e. the 'glass cannon' saved for the 'end times') 1566838;1479060514;Framedragger;incidentally, iirc apple does have a key for security@apple.com or somesuch; would be amusing if later on, a 'security' intern at apple (who was the one to create the key as nobody else bothered with it) came forward.. 1566839;1479060530;asciilifeform;Framedragger: a corrupted version of this key popped on phuctor a while back. 1566840;1479060539;mircea_popescu;hey. true social mobility ; as opposed to the factitious sort the usg promotes. 1566841;1479060553;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaand speaking of the pwned, https://www.leakedsource.com/blog/friendfinder << BingoBoingo / qntra ?? 1566842;1479060554;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah yeah! amsuing. 1566843;1479060563;mircea_popescu;who are you suing ? 1566844;1479060571;asciilifeform;(bastard blocks archive.is. this is really a thing that needs a Final Solution, ovens & all ) 1566845;1479060597;mircea_popescu;i think it's just badly set up, i don't see it either. 1566846;1479060616;Framedragger;amsuing.com is framedragger's future "How to sue 1-2-3" service, details tbd. 1566847;1479060623;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/p4s72/?raw=true << contents. 1566848;1479060641;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/1JoKZ << here it is. 1566849;1479060685;asciilifeform;lulzy 1566850;1479060914;mircea_popescu;anyway, "we've decided not to leak anything so please give a shit". i... don't give a shit. 1566851;1479060923;mircea_popescu;2nd hand retellers be 2nd hand retellers. 1566852;1479060943;asciilifeform;afaik 0 leak yet from 1sthand mouth. 1566853;1479060961;asciilifeform;(not, at any rate, public.) 1566854;1479061958;mircea_popescu;ftr ima join #opennic see what it's all about because of comment on dns swamp article 1566855;1479062590;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/7ph3x/?raw=true 1566856;1479062611;mircea_popescu;what's the ip for that ? 1566857;1479062621;ben_vulpes;same as t'other 1566858;1479062677;mircea_popescu;i guess you have your work of edumancation the masses cut out for you. 1566859;1479062827;ben_vulpes;i have my work of * cut out for me, yo 1566860;1479062871;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : https://archive.is/am4m2 coming from the future (i think nov 21st is still next week right ?) one Amy Davidson makes exactly the argument for tmsr, just somehow insanely applied to the progre party. "The more interesting question is how people in political life approach what they may regard as a duty to serve their country, whoever the President may be, while preserving their dignity and their decency. This in 1566861;1479062871;mircea_popescu;cludes those with special expertise, as well as members of the foreign service, and other civil servants." ie, "your whole delusion of existence is predicated on experts supporting it". 1566862;1479062907;mircea_popescu;how exactly she reconciles progre ignorance with this pretense to expertise is not particularly interesting here ; but apparently even the last niggled comprehends that the republic prevails, no questions asked. 1566863;1479062912;ben_vulpes;the "shadowdragon" handle doesn 1566864;1479062917;ben_vulpes;'t inspire confidence 1566865;1479062939;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1566866;1479062950;mircea_popescu;people gotta get a chance, that's all. what they do with it... 1566867;1479063657;ben_vulpes;now i'm getting pms to determine if i'm a furry 1566868;1479063753;mircea_popescu;makes sense. 1566869;1479065282;mircea_popescu;and in other mosul news, presuming anyone gives a shit : karkojli "liberated" ; nimrud not. 1566870;1479065443;mircea_popescu;bout a month in the carnage ; certainly not halfway done. 1566871;1479066141;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: apologies if you deem this masturbatory at this point, but one more curious q re. jurisdictional matters for dns - just interested what you think - so would the republican dns allow registration of any arbitrary TLDs (.cocks etc)? i assume there is no reason not to allow for that? 1566872;1479066257;shinohai;why not .lemonparty 1566873;1479066337;mircea_popescu;sure, why not 1566874;1479066342;mircea_popescu;any string is any string. 1566875;1479066352;Framedragger;apart from the lulz, the point would be, i suppose, that there should be no reason to disallow for that. assuming registering party is in good standing within WoT; and if there were an actual .lemonparty on current reptilian dns, they'd better cough up a pgp sig. 1566876;1479066354;mircea_popescu;(this is in the article too, random.arbitrary) 1566877;1479066370;Framedragger;right. 1566878;1479066381;mircea_popescu;i don't, however, see any future for utf domain names. 1566879;1479066417;Framedragger;i was just looking at IDN TLDs. myeah, a bit of clusterfuck 1566880;1479066467;ben_vulpes;burn the tlds. 1566881;1479066511;ben_vulpes;is there any reason one couldn't host 'com' as a domain, absent the crown concessions? 1566882;1479066619;mircea_popescu;none. any string is any string. 1566883;1479066664;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: and it's a matter of first-come, first-serve (assuming no conflicts with names owned by established keys)? 1566884;1479066673;mircea_popescu;(bad dns implementations may prevent client from quering for the ip of "vulpes", but that is a problem to be fixed by self-same clients) 1566885;1479066680;mircea_popescu;Framedragger pretty much. 1566886;1479066759;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: and if A registered fags.com and later an established WoT member B, started a commercial "fags" project, B shouldn't be able to claim ownership of A's fags.com, presumably? sorry if this should be stupidly obvious, there is some.. conceptual ground to be covered 1566887;1479066770;Framedragger;(covered by me, that is, i.e. i'm a bit..behind) 1566888;1479066816;Framedragger;^ punctuation wrong, excessive commas 1566889;1479067353;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well he can buy it. 1566890;1479067365;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1566891;1479069171;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/341F5F22B677175F46A2C6F87A2F74BADC483E18EB1E656570344DD213EE327C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 31005686945950767346869798203302530896148655064259347472347220442209769254413352177384260278331050342456445126481343091027696015873408329180286505324090208791356401685488632594573639626011967028852284987701096711563071936459451551456586408347519841053310079208801257166857909170039731960765892368543865804443052865290666 1566892;1479073283;mircea_popescu;and in other news, homegrown talent next door! http://68.media.tumblr.com/0126312a4d8f830f52e0ce0f7b705644/tumblr_mv7b4wckxh1sf6q4ko1_1280.jpg 1566893;1479073298;asciilifeform;holy SHIT 1566894;1479073322;asciilifeform;live! 8192b key 1566895;1479073332;asciilifeform;?! 1566896;1479073359;mircea_popescu;securer than 4096! 1566897;1479073399;asciilifeform;not mirrored, not flipolade, exp standard 1566898;1479073700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wanna write to them ? 1566899;1479073714;asciilifeform;or straight to qntra 1566900;1479073820;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat 1566901;1479073914;mircea_popescu;what's wrong with teh log ? 1566902;1479074204;ben_vulpes;phfs or Framedraggers? 1566903;1479074233;ben_vulpes;casual inspection indicates...nothing? 1566904;1479074445;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes no i just meant, why write to them/qntra etc, it's in the log, good enough. 1566905;1479074481;ben_vulpes;aok 1566906;1479076256;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : marcel lazar (allegedly, guccifer), repatriated to romania. 1566907;1479078876;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz of a strictly for-expert-entomologists nature, this "opposite of sex" movie is the epitome of jew fantasy land. the whole thing is driven by women, of the irresponsible and mercenary "it's my sweet body and i'll smoke if i want to" (christina ricci) type vs utter unbelievable nag who thinks herself in charge (lisa kudrow). the men are at best ineffectual and spineless (the policeman) or otherwise utterly dum 1566908;1479078877;mircea_popescu;b (the various bfs of the slut) and obviously mostly gay. 1566909;1479078914;mircea_popescu;it's a pretty bad film, but it does typify a mental condition which, lulzily, believed itself normalcy for a brief period in the early 21st century. 1566910;1479079101;mats;http://imgur.com/S0nW8jc TIL some vending machines run on windows 1566911;1479079156;shinohai;Please do not uncap your CocaCola while Windows updates are installing ..... 1566912;1479079219;mircea_popescu;no shaders on box ? is windows minimalistic now ?! 1566913;1479079412;mats;i tried to click through to details, no luck 1566914;1479079438;mats;stupid touchscreen 1566915;1479079740;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566897 << nice. phucted simply by sharing a known-to-phuctor factor. on cursory glance appears to be in use - and from known uni - and i like the s3cur3 email of seclab at airgapped.sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de !1 1566916;1479079740;a111;Logged on 2016-11-13 21:43 asciilifeform: not mirrored, not flipolade, exp standard 1566917;1479079790;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1566918;1479079810;Framedragger;(and unrelated comic, https://i.redd.it/uhizdry01fxx.png ) 1566919;1479080051;Framedragger;"Inferring your mobile phone password via wifi signals": https://blog.acolyer.org/2016/11/10/when-csi-meets-public-wifi-inferring-your-mobile-phone-password-via-wifi-signals/ 1566920;1479080051;Framedragger;sweet dreams! bbl. 1566921;1479080057;mircea_popescu;heh 1566922;1479080139;mircea_popescu;but yes, congratulations are definitely in order for alf's foresight in implementing phuctor as he did. w/o the 8ball that module'd have never fallen. 1566923;1479080926;mircea_popescu;and in other news, abject poverty has its advantages : http://68.media.tumblr.com/852681db552fdadee3d5a3ad5d566c8e/tumblr_mvz6jt1kl81sq41ebo1_1280.jpg 1566924;1479080981;*;shinohai would be more scared of what filth is in that carpet than in either vagina. 1566925;1479080998;mircea_popescu;lone qtip has crusty tales to tell. 1566926;1479081091;ben_vulpes;a gross 1566927;1479081093;mircea_popescu;people don't generally understand WHY amateur pornography is so popular ; they imagine like tlp it has to do with proper porn being boring or something. not so - it's just that cameras don't photohgraph odours. 1566928;1479081108;mircea_popescu;if they did - gonzo'd be more rad than gore. 1566929;1479081916;mircea_popescu;and to continue the scary trend, http://68.media.tumblr.com/b201c0d716d20ee39a7d21b766b659db/tumblr_mwacrpLfW51sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1566930;1479082514;BingoBoingo;Pls to be moar annoying. Midterm elections are coming up soon https://archive.is/pXaw2 1566931;1479088883;mircea_popescu;and in other sepia, http://68.media.tumblr.com/2db325d590d5f3dcd14921fb7ebaa268/tumblr_mvk6uzMDpa1rz8btmo1_1280.jpg 1566932;1479091174;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1566933;1479091176;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 438794 | Current Difficulty: 2.546201873040614E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 439487 | Next Difficulty In: 693 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1566934;1479091243;BingoBoingo;In other late http://oglaf.com/expositionfairy/ 1566935;1479091850;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Hillary_Clinton 1566936;1479091963;BingoBoingo;linked for https://encyclopediadramatica.se/File:Trumpdickinghillaryborder.gif 1566937;1479092388;mircea_popescu;in other amateur pronz, https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/8/88/Hillary_did_911.jpg/800px-Hillary_did_911.jpg 1566938;1479092464;BingoBoingo;I remember that day. 1566939;1479092699;mircea_popescu;funny thing when an ed article is actually better on any reasonable scoring than anything the jewry spewed out on the topic. 1566940;1479092702;BingoBoingo;Oh they even did an infographic on cancer https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/b/b7/Johnoliver.png 1566941;1479092861;mircea_popescu;heh 1566942;1479092983;mircea_popescu;this ted danson is just about ready to go the way of the other, practically out of the 18 month best-by date. or am i confusing the very famous with that britney durham chick whatever her name was ? the white trash "singer" / newswoman whatever ? 1566943;1479093131;mircea_popescu;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/3/3a/ClintonDraft005.png << fucking schmuck should need a permit to wear three piece suits wtf is this nonsense. 1566944;1479093515;BingoBoingo;lol, Much has changed in the decade since MP's visit to the swamp 1566945;1479093539;mircea_popescu;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/70/Theneweuropeans.jpg << meh, the other racists had much better posters. why the everloving is her cunt covered ?! 1566946;1479093648;BingoBoingo;Maybe because illustrator hasn't seen one? This is the internet. 1566947;1479093683;mircea_popescu;myeah, the ombilical cord is also very unconvincing. pity, the anatomically correct representation of viscera drives a lot of visceral appeal. 1566948;1479093694;mircea_popescu;losers dun know what they're losing out on. 1566949;1479093967;BingoBoingo;4real 1566950;1479094322;mircea_popescu;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/b/bd/Do1.jpg << bwhahahaha 1566951;1479094329;mircea_popescu;"western dollars not worth the hassle ; get lost" 1566952;1479094703;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/0/09/Racist-bane.jpg 1566953;1479094996;BingoBoingo;In textual lols https://encyclopediadramatica.se/The_Donald#Rick_Wilson 1566954;1479095012;hanbot;hey jurov where do the treasurer's reports go? not on explo.yt/deedbot? 1566955;1479095151;hanbot;oh mailing list eh. why not deed em? 1566956;1479095227;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20161101/attachment.txt?sha1=9791c267cc8e30958838c77653f6342a09244fb5 1566957;1479095248;deedbot;accepted: 1 1566958;1479095256;mircea_popescu;painless enuff 1566959;1479095273;mircea_popescu;!!deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20161031/attachment.txt?sha1=1d162614ad096063e9abb5746b6deab291037beb 1566960;1479095278;deedbot;accepted: 1 1566961;1479095283;mircea_popescu;this is actually pretty cool. 1566962;1479097287;hanbot;!!deed http://thewhet.net/han/tmsrtax1116.txt 1566963;1479097319;deedbot;accepted: 1 1566964;1479097447;mod6;thx mircea_popescu & hanbot 1566965;1479098351;mircea_popescu;mah pleasure. 1566966;1479098819;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/21B9669858203080326DB86F3AB1B88D51F892D38F17EA587F71640F604BA7AD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.247 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.247 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566967;1479098819;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E7AC0EEF980D94B18797FD2B95C091C4EAC05B15C9FCB329825F05B81B8D903 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.65.245 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.65.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566968;1479098819;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E062C71137C09AE3CF48BE7F8A090EAA657B5715F7E6D6F4784AA45380ACD257 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '183.247.151.103 (ssh-rsa key from 183.247.151.103 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragge 1566969;1479098819;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90FB0A6FDBCC29562706DB570C44344EDFF37AF529CEF92560914D7CE26B8192 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.151 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1566970;1479098819;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C961D62D59B78442DB2FA4C4ABC4CE874FE0E95418BBDA01785049DB58B02591 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13118913265992357713749906968914856459229448329385353928317865240153186990772616410386066804476994406481496060266687741570826925431077185850750051547683307 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.73.12 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.73.12 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F 1566971;1479099049;mircea_popescu;lalala 1566972;1479099108;mod6;the phuctor phisting continues. 1566973;1479100432;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566922 << 0 to do with 8ball 1566974;1479100432;a111;Logged on 2016-11-13 23:35 mircea_popescu: but yes, congratulations are definitely in order for alf's foresight in implementing phuctor as he did. w/o the 8ball that module'd have never fallen. 1566975;1479100436;asciilifeform;31005686945950767346869798203302530896148655064259347472347220442209769254413352177384260278331050342456445126481343091027696015873408329180286505324090208791356401685488632594573639626011967028852284987701096711563071936459451551456586408347519841053310079208801257166857909170039731960765892368543865804443052865290666243414773205630247890049846389567873586221735235757006305508905620469362479398256074942799303909984882283079716566423 1566976;1479100436;asciilifeform;141876709031507883553455452314931202170711277559709938918157034624428381091843733176552634481080290679291021661954570523305447050841482495845936945694373844932850748050349261100319 is prime. 1566977;1479100470;asciilifeform;it's a genuinely diddled key gen, and a MODERN one 1566978;1479100498;asciilifeform;(the modulus belongs to something labeled as 'Seclab Signing Key 2016 ') 1566979;1479100515;asciilifeform;whole thing submitted ~yesterday~ 1566980;1479100522;asciilifeform;(it is not, afaik, in sks) 1566981;1479100631;asciilifeform;http://www.isti.tu-berlin.de/security_in_telecommunications/menue/overview << them, apparently. 1566982;1479100672;asciilifeform;quite possibly this is the largest 'in-use' rsa key ever publicly broken. 1566983;1479100701;asciilifeform;... or not 1566984;1479100711;asciilifeform;i eyeballed quite wrongly, this is a 4096b key. 1566985;1479100946;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, shinohai , anybody with not so much to do but energy/time, why not reach out to these poor heathens and ask'em what the hell they thing they are doing on this 'airgapped' box. 1566986;1479100980;asciilifeform;and, importantly, ~with what~ this gem was produced. 1566987;1479100992;*;asciilifeform bbl 1566988;1479105661;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/14/duterte-anecdotally/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Duterte anecdotally. 1566989;1479106081;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-438805.txt 1566990;1479116044;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file. 1566991;1479116044;a111;Logged on 2016-11-13 19:45 mircea_popescu: any string is any string. 1566992;1479116058;Framedragger;hence in effect, bob would control john's domain. hierarchy is baked into dns root. 1566993;1479116100;Framedragger;this is fine as long as it's made clear in regards to ownership etc.; but it does put some additional responsibility / ontological charge(?) onto folks who'd own a TLD 1566994;1479116151;Framedragger;unless.. not necessarily? 1566995;1479118355;Framedragger;(btw amusingly, non-reich DNS roots are called "alt roots". tmsr could call it "*the* dns root", or "the republican dns root". or something.) 1566996;1479118594;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-438825.txt 1566997;1479119048;Framedragger;(and for anyone curious, there are a few "alt roots" out there, see alternative root servers section in http://thedjbway.b0llix.net/djbdns/dnsroots.html e.g. 1566998;1479119049;Framedragger;) 1566999;1479119179;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/D3NPR 1567000;1479119274;Framedragger;"His "reactor" ended when the EPA declared his backyard as a Superfund cleanup site due to hazardous levels of radiation." oh yeah i remember reading about that! hm. so, radiation kills, then. RIP boy scout. 1567001;1479119627;Framedragger;ben_vulpes battling it out in #opennic, i see! 1567002;1479120220;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: do you have logs for #opennic somewhere handy by chance? 1567003;1479121490;Framedragger;(a piece of history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlterNIC) 1567004;1479125762;mircea_popescu;!!up vvande 1567005;1479125762;deedbot;vvande voiced for 30 minutes. 1567006;1479126431;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6". 1567007;1479126431;a111;Logged on 2016-11-14 09:34 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566874 << re. republican dns root (i think this term is not ambiguous), as far as i can see, if bob owned .whatever TLD and john owned john.whatever SLD, then queries for john.whatever would still "pass" through bob's .whatever zone file. 1567008;1479126482;mircea_popescu;it is up to your client to decide if the domain "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" should be queried as "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or "OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" or ".." or "nasa.org" or whatnot. dns just answers queries, and nothing else. 1567009;1479126520;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: this implies that there's basically a single dns server, though. it does not delegate to other dns servers, like what we have now 1567010;1479126553;mircea_popescu;it doesn't "delegate", it caches. you know, like in sanity land, as opposed to some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago. 1567011;1479126558;Framedragger;(i mean, there could be caching servers, but they'd have to have the same up to date map of all strings to IPs.) 1567012;1479126573;Framedragger;caching != delegation in dns, afaik. 1567013;1479126575;mircea_popescu;they would have to be "the same" and "up to date" in the sense of dns "give it a day". 1567014;1479126576;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1567015;1479126583;mircea_popescu;of course not, but this because dns is broken. 1567016;1479126589;Framedragger;delegate = "i don't know about this, but this guy does. ask him" 1567017;1479126735;mircea_popescu;also note that nothing in the discussed scheme prevents you from doing delegation. yiu can just decide to split on the basis of the last character ; or the last two. 1567018;1479126751;mircea_popescu;it just correctly orthogonalizes the matter of delegation, which is dns internal cooking, and not the client's business. 1567019;1479126805;mircea_popescu;there's no reason ~you~ should know aforehand what the dns servers will tell you to ask if you look for "string containing substring x" ; and the fact that you DO know who to ask for ".com" is just another sign of the above "some bs hacked together by people who didn't go to school for cs 30 yearsd ago" 1567020;1479126826;Framedragger;hmm. i'm still not sure if your scheme does not require additional customization of dns server software (bind/unbound/whatever). i mean, if it does, so be it. 1567021;1479126843;mircea_popescu;it probably does because current dns software was written by goatfuckers. 1567022;1479126862;mircea_popescu;and we're not playing the "bug for bug compatible" game. 1567023;1479126902;Framedragger;there is a nuance: if lotsa customization is needed, perhaps time/energy is better spent on gossipd. a logistical question i guess. 1567024;1479126964;mircea_popescu;this thing and gossipd are parallel anyway. 1567025;1479126989;mircea_popescu;also, the customization is the job of the client not of the server. "you wanna use this - here's the standard" suffices. 1567026;1479127000;Framedragger;to an extent, i would say, no? in gossipd, user would have their own "hosts" file, mapping mircea_popescu to $fingerprint or w/e 1567027;1479127058;mircea_popescu;i suppose, but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings. and well... talk over... what. 1567028;1479127117;mircea_popescu;moreover, how do you handle splits ? maybe "trilema.com" should be owned by mp in mp's shadow and by whoever in some other space. 1567029;1479127143;mircea_popescu;there is EXACTLY ONE solution to "zooko's triangle" - and it is called gossipd. it works by crushing the socialist mind and its foul expectation of "any person is any person". not fucking so. 1567030;1479127148;mircea_popescu;people aren't strings. 1567031;1479127211;Framedragger;so yeah, running a republican dns root would still imply "collaborating" with current internet infrastructure. reform, not revolution. something like, in those tmsr ISP discussion, someone e.g suggesting to acquire an autonomous system number for tmsr. "is it even worth it." 1567032;1479127222;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry ? 1567033;1479127231;Framedragger;low on sugar, broken english 1567034;1479127242;mircea_popescu;try again. 1567035;1479127290;mircea_popescu;and of course we managed this situation where half the conversation is here hjalf on trilema to maximally confuse the future interested party. ALL BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO GET ANSWER THERE!111 1567036;1479127338;Framedragger;the whole "patch a DNS server and run alternative root" effort sounds interesting and useful, but, as you said, eventually the underlying layer would need to swapped for gossipd anyway. in gossipd, UDP/TCP as currently used by DNS may not even work. hence there may be a redundancy of effort; 1567037;1479127371;mircea_popescu;"but that part wouldn't be the first to relate. the part that'd first to relate is that you gotta talk to these servers to admin your strings" 1567038;1479127372;Framedragger;and maybe it's worth to focus on gossipd first. but i see what you're saying regarding these two things being parallel. i guess. 1567039;1479127394;mircea_popescu;at first, gossipd replaces the current "talk to servers to admin your strings" which happens, essentially, over substitute-email and http-sessions. 1567040;1479127419;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: my excuse is, i don't feel like i have enough original content to keep spamming your comments box. what can i say. such self esteem 1567041;1479127456;Framedragger;right. 1567042;1479127473;mircea_popescu;it's a typical disaster of commons of the republican era - the needs and interests of people not here yet figure a lot less in the eyes of the present man than his immediate pulsion of lowest order. and in 10 years the choices so made become written in stone and the poor schmucks pay for them. it's sad but unsolvable. 1567043;1479127494;Framedragger;and, i suppose, republican dns server could work in a way that already facilitates session-less communication - pgprams issuing orders to change zone files, etc. 1567044;1479127499;mircea_popescu;the OTHER disaster of commons of the republican era is discussed on trilema re "you can't decide what's worth doing", if you recall that footnote. 1567045;1479127522;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yes, but communicatin by sending pgpgrams is already a simplified gossipd is the point. 1567046;1479127535;mircea_popescu;hand-cranked, arbitrary, etc. but still it is it. 1567047;1479127610;Framedragger;yes indeed; and now i see that maybe there wouldn't be too much of a redundancy there - that is, when gossipd arrives, dns server could still accept pgprams, they'd simply come via gossipd - and the latter may even sit behind an abstracted network interface, etc. 1567048;1479127621;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. 1567049;1479127640;mircea_popescu;we've been amply using this "alternate leg" climbing method to build towers. 1567050;1479127642;Framedragger;okay, i'm less confused now 1567051;1479127665;Framedragger;rather ingenious if i may say so! 1567052;1479127681;mircea_popescu;yeah, what can i tell you, as ingenious as walk. 10s of ks of years old. 1567053;1479128005;Framedragger;i wonder if a simpler key-value store wouldn't work as a replacement for dns server. "flatten" the whole thing, so that, as you say, dns server wouldn't distinguish between types of substrings. the latter would be up to the client, if it willed to do so. 1567054;1479128025;mircea_popescu;and here i thought i said just that 1567055;1479128027;Framedragger;caching could be easily done, too 1567056;1479128030;Framedragger;argh. 1567057;1479128055;Framedragger;up until this point i thought that the idea would be to use an existing dns server, for sake of ease 1567058;1479128069;mircea_popescu;what did you take http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1567006 to mean ? (it being the 3rd or so pass at this) 1567059;1479128069;a111;Logged on 2016-11-14 12:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1566990 << there is no such thing as "tld". there's just strings. if you query r-dns for "fucksgoats" you get ip for "fucksgoats". if you query for "hurrdurr.fuckgoats" you get ip for "hurrdurr.fucksgoats". if you query for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6" you get ip for "Pwgaf,H6X/LJ8yt..OLjoNn+kyfFsOG5a?FpPbf!uxOS6". 1567060;1479128074;Framedragger;the administration / record-updating would be a separate layer in any case. 1567061;1479128078;mircea_popescu;shows you the power of bias / mental fixation i guess ? 1567062;1479128105;Framedragger;ah, "r-dns" is republican dns. not reverse dns or sth like that. more clear 1567063;1479128108;mircea_popescu;and holy shit no you don't want to reuse dns server code oh my fucking god. 1567064;1479128113;mircea_popescu;have you SEEN that shit ?! 1567065;1479128114;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: thanks for bearing with me. yes, fixation. 1567066;1479128157;Framedragger;well, BIND is.. not vulernability-impaired. lots of fleas. and code quality - can only imagine 1567067;1479128166;Framedragger;openssl vibes. 1567068;1479128167;Framedragger;right. 1567069;1479128210;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: you'd still want r-dns to be able to serve existing dns clients though, right? i mean, things like `nslookup`, dns resolution libraries, etc - the current dns protocol? or no? 1567070;1479128218;mircea_popescu;ideally. 1567071;1479128244;mircea_popescu;but if a patch is required then that's fine too. 1567072;1479128303;mircea_popescu;(likely the patch will come in the shape of a dnsmasq clone, which will handle stuff like "tld" as well as things like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-12#1566482 via settings etc) 1567073;1479128303;a111;Logged on 2016-11-12 15:50 mircea_popescu: set up your client to pick two-of-three, give it 1 republic and 2 reich servers. it'll give you republic for all the things reich doesn't know and reich for stuff like apple.com 1567074;1479128612;mircea_popescu;and in other pumpkin attacks, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8fe43e441d88ba6dd5667f1d2304721e/tumblr_mv2nmcRc1x1s0fmloo1_1280.jpg 1567075;1479129372;davout;BingoBoingo: s/La Pen/Le Pen/ also s/French prime minister/French president/ 1567076;1479129406;mircea_popescu;davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see. 1567077;1479129429;davout;aha 1567078;1479129434;mircea_popescu;it's very clever! 1567079;1479129444;mircea_popescu;and in other red cup news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/5095bd456aec749aaffc506710e27e8b/tumblr_mvhxcaByeh1stjm8io1_1280.jpg 1567080;1479129686;Framedragger;oh god. dns is defined using a shitload of RFCs. but easiest way to learn of low-level transport nuances is, well, wireshark. so, wiresharking and eating cake. at the very least this will end up as (possibly) useful website comment for future adventurers. 1567081;1479129746;Framedragger;what is nice is that the dns transport itself is quite elegant - questions/answers - one packet for query, another for answer. so transport is (in principle) compatible with session-less gossipd model, i think. 1567082;1479130192;mircea_popescu;aha 1567083;1479130234;mircea_popescu;is it delicious cake or just ordinary cake ? 1567084;1479130263;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'm curious, do you currently manually add entries to your hosts file? wireshark shows so much gunk flying around. like, i've got ad blockers and everything, but still lotsa facebook dns requests all around, etc. 1567085;1479130344;Framedragger;quite delicious! mississippi mud pie. oreo base, brownie-esk filling. amateur-made (office tradition), but very much acceptabru. 1567086;1479130357;mircea_popescu;good for you! 1567087;1479130375;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yes, i add names manually. i see jackshit flying around lol. 1567088;1479130405;mircea_popescu;and i also keep it a few dozen lines, so there is that. 1567089;1479130434;Framedragger;lean and clean. i may just try that. i understand the need more and more. 1567090;1479130449;mircea_popescu;the more you look at it, the brick you more shit. 1567091;1479130484;Framedragger;how did that kharms story go, about the guy dreaming he was a bush.. 1567092;1479130498;mircea_popescu;and he woke up and he was a bama ? 1567093;1479130519;Framedragger;hah! quite 1567094;1479130531;Framedragger;(for logs, http://chneukirchen.org/tmp/www.geocities.com/Athens/8926/Kharms/Incidences.html#12 ) 1567095;1479134521;mircea_popescu;bathroom attendants workin' on tips & tips alone : http://68.media.tumblr.com/31210ede9466aaadcb6d4c2b7aa95877/tumblr_mvhx5my5Os1stjm8io1_1280.jpg 1567096;1479135568;mircea_popescu;and in random news nobody cares about, the "republic of moldavia", romania's to "northern ireland" elected russian puppet guy president (igor dodon). putin's ridin' high. 1567097;1479136588;*;asciilifeform wrote to http://www.isti.tu-berlin.de/security_in_telecommunications/menue/people/head re yesterday's find 1567098;1479136952;Framedragger;asciilifeform: kewl. wonder what they will say. and what they used to generate the key.. 1567099;1479138798;mircea_popescu;i'm betting it'll be something stupid. 1567100;1479138885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how do you mean it had 0 to do with 8ball ? it went because known factors not because paired with something neh ? 1567101;1479138900;mircea_popescu;when mod pops when submitted, it's always the 8ball 1567102;1479138938;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. 8ball is a 'primorial', it's this process that's been going 2*3*5*7*........... for months 1567103;1479138953;asciilifeform;this number gets thrown into the hopper every time phuctor fires 1567104;1479138962;mircea_popescu;right... 1567105;1479138964;asciilifeform;it nails moduli with 'small' factors. 1567106;1479138975;mircea_popescu;it doesn't also contain all other factors found ? 1567107;1479138988;asciilifeform;nope, that's not how bernstein's algo worx 1567108;1479138994;mircea_popescu;well it's what i meant. 1567109;1479139000;asciilifeform;it does not rely on writing down the formerly found factors 1567110;1479139017;asciilifeform;but operates on all moduli at once, every time it fires. 1567111;1479139025;mircea_popescu;s/8ball/bernstein/ 1567112;1479139048;asciilifeform;this recent find is an excellent illustration, it shared the factor solely with own subkeys 1567113;1479139055;asciilifeform;specifically, the one marked '2015' and '2016'. 1567114;1479139062;mircea_popescu;o brother. 1567115;1479139072;asciilifeform;Seclab Signing Key 2015 ; Seclab Signing Key 2016 ; 1567116;1479139075;asciilifeform;aha. 1567117;1479139086;asciilifeform;the resulting factor - is prime. 1567118;1479139093;mircea_popescu;ic. 1567119;1479139107;asciilifeform;(does not appear to be of any special form, in so far as i can presently tell, but is in fact prime by every test i've tried) 1567120;1479139124;mircea_popescu;so if this is some "expert" hardware that does this stupid shit, we'll be seeing it again. 1567121;1479139135;asciilifeform;so it had in fact come out of something resembling a battlefield pgptron. 1567122;1479139142;asciilifeform;no flipped bits or similar. 1567123;1479139151;mircea_popescu;aha. 1567124;1479139162;mircea_popescu;i think ima actually write a short qntra re this, thinking about it. 1567125;1479139175;asciilifeform;i will add that the thing does not appear to reside on sks, though other items advertised as 'seclab' -- are 1567126;1479139186;asciilifeform;it was submitted manually the day prior to yesterday. 1567127;1479139190;asciilifeform;by somebody or other. 1567128;1479139210;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/bel-ami/ << Trilema - Bel Ami 1567129;1479139247;asciilifeform;2016-11-13 13:50:45.642313 phuctor time. 1567130;1479139392;asciilifeform;no reply from the good doktor thus far, but it is evening in berlin 1567131;1479139467;asciilifeform;https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=sec.t-labs.tu-berlin.de << others -- yes on sks. 1567132;1479139512;mircea_popescu;i suppose it'd actually be better form to not publicize it so soon huh. 1567133;1479139523;mircea_popescu;though whoever put it in - knows. 1567134;1479139524;asciilifeform;story might 'develop' 1567135;1479139678;asciilifeform;given as the key does not appear to have publicly signed anything, at least in so far as i can see with naked eye, there is no physical way to distinguish this find from an elaborate troll 1567136;1479139763;asciilifeform;i'd be curious to learn whatthefuck exactly is 'seclab', the site suggests some eldritch horror from the bowels of eu academia 1567137;1479140093;asciilifeform;hm, seclab/berlin inst. of tech, quite well represented at defcon, blackhat, etc 1567138;1479140114;mircea_popescu;tu berlin is the technische universitat berlin, their version of a politechnic. sec.t-labs.tu-berlin is the "institut fur softwaretechnick und theoretische informatik" (ie the cs faculty of said college)'s it security lab. 1567139;1479140125;mircea_popescu;they're meeting with the head of teh bnd etc on some sort of regular basis. 1567140;1479140150;asciilifeform;and they have some decent quality material published re probing mobile nets, fuzzing, etc. 1567141;1479140348;asciilifeform;http://www.proofs-workshop.org/2013/slides/proofs2013_seifert_slides.pdf << lel, 'trojan-resilient ICs' 1567142;1479140356;asciilifeform;other talks include 'smartphone honeypots' 1567143;1479140502;Framedragger;(yes, afaik decent place. tu-munich >> tu-berlin probably, tho) 1567144;1479140514;Framedragger;well, maybe merely '>' 1567145;1479140560;mircea_popescu;"trust me, you can dance". signed - vodka. 1567146;1479141182;mircea_popescu;all girls are gone to town, therefore /me cracks 10kg watermelon out of fridge, proceeds to EAT ALL OF IT! 1567147;1479141183;mircea_popescu;mwahahahaha. 1567148;1479142115;Framedragger;organic sugar water ftw 1567149;1479142162;Framedragger;when i was hitch hiking in albania a few years back, i ate lotsa watermelons. because 1) they were awesome there, and 2) it was middle of summer, hot, so lower food intake overall 1567150;1479142179;Framedragger;it was great. 1567151;1479142194;mircea_popescu;yeah that entire strip, from dalmatian coast to black sea, epic watermelons. ~where danube flows 1567152;1479142246;Framedragger;word 1567153;1479142252;mircea_popescu;sorta europe's own mississippi valley. no wonder nobody thinks much of the inhabitants. 1567154;1479145912;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: you said you generally like dns transport, but just fyi it afaik limits udp packets to 512 bytes (which iirc you hate). but i guess the term is something more like "tolerate", not "like"... 1567155;1479146015;mircea_popescu;tell me 512 bytes of your favourite poem. 1567156;1479146225;Framedragger;aš matau rūką. tai reiškia nematau daiktų 1567157;1479146229;Framedragger;namas perskeltais langais 1567158;1479146232;Framedragger;šuo bėga iš židinio 1567159;1479146235;Framedragger;liežia pelenus nuo plaštakos 1567160;1479146238;Framedragger;Marinos vaiduoklis braukia krūtį per stiklą 1567161;1479146242;Framedragger;tai primena drėgmę delne, burnoje 1567162;1479146244;Framedragger;kur tik būdavau nuoširdus galėjau ant jos išsilieti 1567163;1479146248;Framedragger;kai kalbėdavom apie rožes tai buvo 1567164;1479146254;Framedragger;prakirsta galva ir nuo pilvo garuojantis sniegas 1567165;1479146257;Framedragger;(ir pelenai buteliuose ir kraujo žiedas kol rūkau išplinta) 1567166;1479146261;Framedragger;kol tylėdavom šuo man kąsdavo gerklę 1567167;1479146265;Framedragger;nebegalėjau grįžti į sakinį, baigti akto – 1567168;1479146297;Framedragger;(truncated. assumes 8 bits per char. not the favourite / not sure, but i like it.) 1567169;1479146305;Framedragger;such eclectic irc channel eh. 1567170;1479146320;mircea_popescu;should be enough FOR ANYONES NAME 1567171;1479146419;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/bonza/#selection-41.122-41.212 << related. 1567172;1479146493;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: point taken - this should ideally eventually change, etc... 1567173;1479146568;mircea_popescu;can't do all things at the same time. 1567174;1479146930;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the party ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0ebcb8404af38c91e5101398749ceaf3/tumblr_msctyza3xF1r81lgko1_1280.jpg 1567175;1479147586;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: only since i showed up 1567176;1479147639;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: lol, did a double-take on the dood in the back 1567177;1479147782;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: happy to hand mine over, but vvande has deeper logs and will share them with you for the asking 1567178;1479147832;ben_vulpes;anyways, opennic project is ~dead, with remaining maggots deeply allergic to republican notions. 1567179;1479147867;ben_vulpes;i suspect that i knocked their local usg rep into 'tilt mode' last night 1567180;1479147871;Framedragger;thanks much ben_vulpes. guess i'm good for now 1567181;1479147880;Framedragger;heh. :) 1567182;1479147905;ben_vulpes;"gossipd? what dat. have you ever heard of i2p? what's an ethernet frame? shortwave?" 1567183;1479147988;Framedragger;well you cant fault them for not having heard of gossipd. (cue everyone: YES YOU CAN). re. i2p, well its an interesting project. but - doomed. 1567184;1479147995;Framedragger;bbl 1567185;1479148132;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes unsurprisingly. pretty much all of extant "foss" is cat-v.org redone. 1567186;1479149364;ben_vulpes;freenic doesn't appear to be in any better shape. 1567187;1479152063;mircea_popescu;https://kashpureff.org/ekashp/ << if anyone still remembers this guy. 1567188;1479152240;mircea_popescu;and, of course, 2000s vintage imperial lulz https://archive.is/g9O6H 1567189;1479152429;mircea_popescu;(note that they quite exactly identify the exact reason gossipd makes empire impossible : "In the case of a public communications system this condition of a common symbol set with a common semantic interpretation must be further strengthened to that of a unique symbol set with a unique semantic interpretation. This condition of uniqueness allows any party to initiate a communication that can be received and understood by any 1567190;1479152429;mircea_popescu;other party. Such a condition rules out the ability to define a symbol within some bounded context. In such a case, once the communication moves out of the context of interpretation in which it was defined, the meaning of the symbol becomes lost." 1567191;1479152527;mircea_popescu;they built usg in not for any reason than because they WERE usg. postel's "oh noes - otherwise CHAOS" is exactly symptomatic. just like the arab mind can't quite comprehend how one who doesn't give a shit about allah may manage to drink from a cup, just so usgtards can't comprehend how one who isn't a socialist can at all live. 1567192;1479152557;mircea_popescu;"but without our stupid bigotry there'd be CHAOS!!11". yeah, i'm sure there would be. for you. 1567193;1479152672;mircea_popescu;"this is a technical requirement, not a policy choice" - fancy that wonder. what else is "not a policy choice" ? 1567194;1479152907;mircea_popescu;and of course, the capper : "This memo does not introduce any new security issues, but it does attempt to identify some of the problems inherent in a family of recurring technically naive proposals." 1567195;1479152933;mircea_popescu;because what the fuck else would crown the retard more than the pretense that he's some sort of misunderstood genius, and his betters "naive" ? 1567196;1479154577;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/uwr0b/?raw=true 1567197;1479155339;BingoBoingo; davout pretty sure he's doing "la pen" because woman see. << Aha. Also because what say do people in France have over everything turning their language over to a socialist "Academy" and shit. 1567198;1479155439;mircea_popescu;o.O 1567199;1479155504;BingoBoingo;Or their government 1567200;1479155531;BingoBoingo;Maybe when it happens La Pen will be chief of the DMV? 1567201;1479155590;BingoBoingo;The defining national characteristic of France is "taking it" 1567202;1479155774;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/today-in-accidental-insecurity/ << Qntra - Today In Accidental Insecurity 1567203;1479155884;asciilifeform;where the fuck is the sig?! 1567204;1479155890;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ? 1567205;1479155950;asciilifeform;that sig needs to be there. 1567206;1479156014;BingoBoingo;Twas not in mircea_popescu's submission 1567207;1479156018;asciilifeform;grrr 1567208;1479156024;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wat 1567209;1479156223;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to check your original incoming 1567210;1479156266;asciilifeform;(or, wat, BingoBoingo eats texts with 0 sigs..?) 1567211;1479156337;BingoBoingo;Ah, the "peace in our time was at bottom of screen. Forgot to scroll, fxing 1567212;1479156343;asciilifeform;Nooooooo 1567213;1479156348;asciilifeform;the pgp sig 1567214;1479156380;asciilifeform;i signed mircea_popescu's article with victim's pgp privk 1567215;1479156400;asciilifeform;plox to roll in whole unmodified text 1567216;1479156444;asciilifeform;line feeds & all 1567217;1479156446;BingoBoingo;AHA 1567218;1479156464;BingoBoingo;tyvm 1567219;1479156468;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can put editorial commentz Below the sigblok 1567220;1479156498;BingoBoingo;Eh prolly best to put im comments 1567221;1479156504;asciilifeform;aite 1567222;1479156530;asciilifeform;much better. 1567223;1479156634;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo of course it was lol 1567224;1479156647;BingoBoingo;Ah 1567225;1479156668;mircea_popescu;gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 " 1567226;1479156713;shinohai;rekt 1567227;1479156749;mircea_popescu;if anyone cares to put it in ... what was the shithole, reddit ? hacker news ? 1567228;1479156754;*;asciilifeform can hardly wait for he neverheppeneding of this little trick. 1567229;1479156760;asciilifeform;*the 1567230;1479156785;asciilifeform;wrecker noose. 1567231;1479156847;mircea_popescu;lol isn't he cute all excited like that. 1567232;1479156848;asciilifeform;(if ben_vulpes or other wwwtronicist is ever bored, he oughta consider writing an aggregator called 'wrecker nyooz'..) 1567233;1479156918;mircea_popescu;hardly worth it. slashdot sold for what, 3mn ? 1567234;1479156937;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : consider slipping in, below sigblock, a link to the key on phuctor 1567235;1479156959;mircea_popescu;much like the whole "social justice" crapolade : "news for geeks, stuff that matters", "web's most important blabla", "slashdotted" and whatnot - then when push comes to shove, it ain't worth enough to buy a middle class home. 1567236;1479156969;mircea_popescu;there is one. 1567237;1479157029;mircea_popescu;awww BingoBoingo plox put link to http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/341F5F22B677175F46A2C6F87A2F74BADC483E18EB1E656570344DD213EE327C on "reported" (2nd word). i dunno how i left it out ;/ 1567238;1479157029;asciilifeform;there's a verbatim asc 1567239;1479157033;asciilifeform;ah 1567240;1479157051;BingoBoingo;linked at end of block 1567241;1479157068;mircea_popescu;nah, that's bs. put it 2nd word. 1567242;1479157081;BingoBoingo;And then can't verify sig 1567243;1479157103;BingoBoingo;Maybe I'll put link before block 1567244;1479157104;mircea_popescu;of course you can. 1567245;1479157114;asciilifeform;or make pubkey blok a link 1567246;1479157115;mircea_popescu;dawg, copy/paste doesn't copy the links. 1567247;1479157124;mircea_popescu;just put it in, then try, it'll be fine. 1567248;1479157214;*;BingoBoingo chopping on it 1567249;1479157225;mircea_popescu;it's hard out there for a pimp... 1567250;1479157315;ben_vulpes;i would take 3m 1567251;1479157353;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you have any conception of the total man-hours soaked into slashdot ? 1567252;1479157361;ben_vulpes;i imagine loads. 1567253;1479157370;mircea_popescu;just the fixing of their dumbass mysql error back in 2006 for one 1567254;1479157373;mircea_popescu;recall that ? 1567255;1479157378;ben_vulpes;not in the slightest 1567256;1479157384;ben_vulpes;i'd stopped reading at that point 1567257;1479157396;mircea_popescu;they had table index too short int, crashed when post count overwhelmed it 1567258;1479157399;mircea_popescu;had to be fixed offline. 1567259;1479157420;BingoBoingo;pls to try verifying signed block 1567260;1479157466;mircea_popescu;dude... 1567261;1479157477;mircea_popescu;it's very stupid to link a large block like that. why are you trying to degoogle yourself ? 1567262;1479157503;BingoBoingo;fxd 1567263;1479157530;mircea_popescu;gpg: Good signature from "Seclab Signing Key 2016 " 1567264;1479157533;BingoBoingo;k 1567265;1479157549;mircea_popescu;links dun matter for this purpose, so. best of both worlds. 1567266;1479157556;shinohai;works for me nau 1567267;1479157596;mircea_popescu;!!key SonGoku06 1567268;1479157598;deedbot;No such key. 1567269;1479158457;BingoBoingo;From the Wall Street Pisshole "After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said." 1567270;1479158529;mircea_popescu;o check that out, nobody wants the mulatto in chief. if he doesn't get to hang on to the wh he has literally nowhere to go. 1567271;1479158661;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/11/today-in-accidental-insecurity/#comment-78309 << ding. 1567272;1479158677;asciilifeform;WITH HIS SUCCESSOR ?! 1567273;1479158682;asciilifeform;SUCCESSOR?! 1567274;1479158694;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1567275;1479158702;asciilifeform;or hm 1567276;1479158710;asciilifeform;apparently i read bacwards nm. 1567277;1479158933;asciilifeform;re ealier, i have nfi whether herr nordholz is telling truth or nein. 1567278;1479158942;asciilifeform;so the matter will rest there. 1567279;1479158948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i answered him. 1567280;1479158951;asciilifeform;aah 1567281;1479158953;*;asciilifeform reads 1567282;1479158992;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea where these shitheads think they're shoping for condescension, or why the fuck the 2nd hand peddler failed to inform them that i got exponentially more than available on the market at my ready disposal. 1567283;1479159047;mircea_popescu;anyway, apparently today in "nice story, bro" we have a "students are required as part of curricula to run 10^10 "eulers". because totally, nobody can do any math anywhere. 1567284;1479159086;asciilifeform;he said (11*10)/2 neh ? 1567285;1479159093;asciilifeform;i.e. 55. 1567286;1479159112;mircea_popescu;he also said "euclids", i thought we were just doing keyboard mashing. 1567287;1479159125;asciilifeform;euclids, i.e. gcd, presumably 1567288;1479159139;mircea_popescu;sure sure. 1567289;1479159144;asciilifeform;i have nfi, i did ping the d00d via email so as to rub nose in qntra thread, that's all for my end 1567290;1479159163;mircea_popescu;aha. good enough. 1567291;1479159683;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the better universities, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mahvs1avyk1qkbo3do1_1280.jpg 1567292;1479159874;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/11/today-in-accidental-insecurity/#comment-78311 << see also. 1567293;1479159887;asciilifeform;'Lol this is easily the best "unhappen" yet. So as the story goes, a secret key that exists and is regularily updated since 2006 suddenly — but deliberately! — gets a shared factor in 2016, as part of a didactic exercise which consists of doing euclids and other calisthenics. As a sub-plot thickener, it is for the first time announced that it takes 11*10/2 operations to obtain a 600+ digit prime factor in Berlin, which is somewha 1567294;1479159887;asciilifeform;t cheaper than anywhere else. We are entertaint.' 1567295;1479160093;mircea_popescu;i suppose if nothing else - zee germanz have now verified that indeed, the phuctor is actually connected and works as described. 1567296;1479160112;asciilifeform;as if it were a mega-mystery earlier. 1567297;1479160164;mircea_popescu;in the land of the hanno bocks (ie, http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) it is probably as unbelievable as it gets. 1567298;1479160266;asciilifeform;in ogther noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0ej6b/?raw=true , even 0day not spared on our humble box 1567299;1479160284;mircea_popescu;aww but why! 1567300;1479160286;asciilifeform;(sorry d00dz, it dun work, there is no php teenager in the mix) 1567301;1479160309;mircea_popescu;actually i suppose hijacking phuctor is a reasonably valuable thing now, get people to shit pants that their key's haxxed. 1567302;1479160454;asciilifeform;i suppose walking away with the box cost'em actual moneys last time, and budget was spent on schnapps, or the like. 1567303;1479160501;asciilifeform;btw d00dz who read 'p divides N...' and dun bother to go and, well, divide it, deserve to be tricked. 1567304;1479160523;asciilifeform;it takes maybe 3 seconds to verify whether a page on phuctor is fact or not. 1567305;1479160545;mircea_popescu;yeah well, a pants shitting is a pants shitting. 1567306;1479161120;mircea_popescu;!!key SonGoku06 1567307;1479161121;deedbot;No such key. 1567308;1479161323;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, the socialist retards (preaching over at huff po) : "My point is that this is a cycle. It happens again and again, but as most people only have a 50-100 year historical perspective they don’t see that it’s happening again. As the events that led to the First World War unfolded, there were a few brilliant minds who started to warn that something big was wrong, that the web of treaties across Europe could lea 1567309;1479161324;mircea_popescu;d to a war, but they were dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit and Trump are dismissed now. A little thing leads to an unstoppable destruction that could have been prevented if you’d listened and thought a bit." 1567310;1479161361;mircea_popescu;yes, motherfucker. this is exactly it : your continued existence is offensive. either you desist, forget this "social justice" nonsense ever existed, and EVERYTHING to do with it - or else YOU will have started a war, with YOUR idiocy. 1567311;1479161380;mircea_popescu;so yes - is your own tail and the avoidance of your own fucking holocaust worth stopping and thinking a bit ? 1567312;1479161410;asciilifeform;they learned 0 from the last one. 1567313;1479161414;mircea_popescu;maybe it's time to apologize for making up bullshit and calling it "global warming" ? maybe its time to cut off your balls and cut off your keyboard fingers ? maybe ? 1567314;1479161429;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all the better then. honestly i prefer bloodshed to contrite tears. 1567315;1479161473;asciilifeform;they learned 0, because 'thief is never sorry, only sorry that he was caught' 1567316;1479161519;mircea_popescu;quite so, apparently the humanist's notion that he speaks for humanity is the sweetest delusion of all. 1567317;1479161866;asciilifeform;one unfortunate bit is that afaik the gambit they used to stay alive last time, will work again -- a kilometre-thick ablative coating of nobodies to catch the gas 1567318;1479161887;asciilifeform;while soros, rothchilds, etc. escape and make next generation of 'reality makers' 1567319;1479161977;mircea_popescu;pshhh. 1567320;1479162004;mircea_popescu;this is sloppy thinker - soros was a poor nobody, there's no bloodline there ; and the lulz of the mystical-rotschilds is periodically debunked every time you bring it up. 1567321;1479162020;asciilifeform;lower-case r rothchilds!11111 1567322;1479162035;mircea_popescu;this is retrospective naming, the historical equivalent of wtf they call that graph worshippinbg bs 1567323;1479162036;asciilifeform;and rumour is that , iirc, son of soros marries into clintons 1567324;1479162050;asciilifeform;anyway the physical location of hitler is a q above my paygrade. 1567325;1479162052;mircea_popescu;"technical analysis" 1567326;1479162884;ben_vulpes;!!up vvande 1567327;1479162885;deedbot;vvande voiced for 30 minutes. 1567328;1479162898;vvande;hey! 1567329;1479162913;ben_vulpes;vvande's this "sleepy anti statist" i roused out of #opennic and #freenic 1567330;1479162933;vvande;I've always been anti statist. 1567331;1479162943;vvande;everybody is where I come from 1567332;1479162950;ben_vulpes;vvande: where is that? 1567333;1479162955;vvande;my family 1567334;1479162956;vvande;lol 1567335;1479162961;ben_vulpes;"texas" then 1567336;1479162971;ben_vulpes;;) 1567337;1479162983;vvande;I live in BC Canada - just in from the coast now 1567338;1479162988;vvande;and came from Denmark 1567339;1479163015;ben_vulpes;lovely places 1567340;1479163033;ben_vulpes;actually i don't know about denmark 1567341;1479163037;ben_vulpes;but i do like bc quite a bit 1567342;1479163062;vvande;statism and autoritianism are not close to the heart of people who have experienced Hitler's regime 1567343;1479163093;mircea_popescu;!!key vvande 1567344;1479163093;deedbot;No such key. 1567345;1479163095;ben_vulpes;anyways, register a key 1567346;1479163097;mircea_popescu;^ get a key eh. 1567347;1479163100;vvande;I was just a kid but my parents were involved. 1567348;1479163116;ben_vulpes;plenty of time to chat after you get your key into deedbot 1567349;1479163118;vvande;mircea_popescu: I'll do that later, but need to get breakfast and stuff. 1567350;1479163123;mircea_popescu;no rush 1567351;1479163131;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes actually denmark is where the hot german chicks come from. 1567352;1479163150;ben_vulpes;well then it sounds lovely 1567353;1479163183;vvande;It's a pretty democratic place, but it being stirred up a bit in recent years. 1567354;1479163223;vvande;Not so democratic here in Canada. We're pretty far right, in fact. 1567355;1479163291;vvande;Anyway, I'll go look at that key thing. Seems easy enough to generate, but I should have a think about it. 1567356;1479163321;ben_vulpes;no expiration date, don't forget the passphrase 1567357;1479163377;vvande;ok, figured that so far 1567358;1479163425;vvande;I havent used keys before. Should I make it "sign and encrypt"? 1567359;1479163438;ben_vulpes;mhm 1567360;1479163440;ben_vulpes;keep it simple 1567361;1479163465;vvande;OK. I just want to make sure I don't cause trouble later. 1567362;1479163471;vvande;Can i have different keys? 1567363;1479163480;vvande;like just do one for here, for now? 1567364;1479163483;ben_vulpes;in gpg, yes. in deedbot, no. 1567365;1479163499;ben_vulpes;keys map 1:1 with identities here. 1567366;1479163502;vvande;gpg is already installed - running FreeBSD 1567367;1479163505;ben_vulpes;changing them is politically fraught. 1567368;1479163534;vvande;well, I won't be using it a lot until I get more into it 1567369;1479163553;vvande;So, OK. I'm off to do that. And ... 1567370;1479163569;vvande;my sweetheart just came back, so need to make coffee for her 1567371;1479163572;vvande;ltr 1567372;1479163610;ben_vulpes;see ya 1567373;1479169755;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice 1567374;1479169855;ben_vulpes;also on an ancient thread, horses are allowed on many oregon roads and highways, because this place was barely a place before the sixties. there are a pile of questions in the drivers exam here regarding how to behave around horses, even. 1567375;1479170370;asciilifeform;from ben_vulpes's link: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=7711&ec=4&ch=twitter << very rare pistol, iirc the maker was sued out of business soon after it figured in evidence room re columbine postal 1567376;1479170400;ben_vulpes;bizarre little handie 1567377;1479170443;asciilifeform;it , iirc, was banned after folx discovered easy conversion to auto , and the postal was a pretext 1567378;1479170506;asciilifeform;!~google tec-9 1567379;1479170542;asciilifeform;...... 1567380;1479170548;asciilifeform;...... 1567381;1479170593;asciilifeform;...? 1567382;1479170613;asciilifeform;!~tslb 1567383;1479170617;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 53 seconds 1567384;1479170629;ben_vulpes;!!google tec-9 1567385;1479170630;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEC-9 << TEC-9 - Wikipedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkZlO7hVTfw << Tec 9, Rapid Fire is the Only Way to Fire! - YouTube | https://csgostash.com/weapon/Tec-9 << Tec-9 Skins - CS:GO Stash 1567386;1479170635;jhvh1;asciilifeform: TEC - 9 - Wikipedia: ; Tec 9 , Rapid Fire is the Only Way to Fire! - YouTube: ; intratec tec 9 All For Sale - GunBroker.com: 1567387;1479170981;mircea_popescu;!!key SonGoku06 1567388;1479170983;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/k0cvx/?raw=true 1567389;1479171377;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016-info/trump-protect/pict37.jpg << elsewhere. 1567390;1479171440;mod6;nb. 1567391;1479171471;mircea_popescu;she looks like she never works out. 1567392;1479171493;mod6;haha 1567393;1479171496;mircea_popescu;is this socially acceptable now, pre-menopausal woman, no bar no buttlifts no nothing ? 1567394;1479171499;mod6;i liked the pumpkin heads 1567395;1479171539;mod6;they s/buttlifts/netflix/ 1567396;1479171591;mircea_popescu;well, if they didn't maybe someone'd give a shit. 1567397;1479171614;mod6;solid point. 1567398;1479171630;mod6;i love some of the dirty looks i get when checking out these pics on the train. 1567399;1479171680;mircea_popescu;lol 1567400;1479171696;asciilifeform;police d00d looks like he would rather be literally anywhere else 1567401;1479171704;mircea_popescu;can ye blame him ? 1567402;1479171717;mircea_popescu;"if this bitch starts reading poetry i'm shooting her" 1567403;1479171721;asciilifeform;dunno, how often he gets to arrest naked chix 1567404;1479171739;mircea_popescu;dude, that's not chix. there's sexual nudity and there's medical nudity. 1567405;1479171749;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't touch her, what am i, a licensed nurse ? 1567406;1479171777;mircea_popescu;let the dumb bitch work her ass off three seasons first, what the everloving is this "anything is acceptable" bs. 1567407;1479171777;*;asciilifeform not even a licensed mengele, but would touch 1567408;1479171834;mod6;with asbestos gloves tho rite? 1567409;1479171853;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at srs bzns ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/52e237009cd5e14e9d230dbee0542ed9/tumblr_musutw9wLf1rw74nso1_1280.jpg 1567410;1479171857;asciilifeform;with police gloves , naturally 1567411;1479171921;mod6;nice 1567412;1479172018;mod6;i like how the dude was like 'hey, these were training keys' 1567413;1479172083;shinohai;Still avoiding the question of what those "training keyz" were generated on. 1567414;1479172248;mircea_popescu;the retrospectivatron 1567415;1479172486;asciilifeform;handy gadget in every household. 1567416;1479172489;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes holy shit what's that potluck disaster https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxP7SW-WEAAdvyX.jpg 1567417;1479172511;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see thread just now 1567418;1479172531;mod6;congrats to the winners of the joke contest 1567419;1479172534;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567375 << subj 1567420;1479172534;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 00:39 asciilifeform: from ben_vulpes's link: http://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=7711&ec=4&ch=twitter << very rare pistol, iirc the maker was sued out of business soon after it figured in evidence room re columbine postal 1567421;1479172541;mircea_popescu;looked more like a housemade flamethrower at first sight 1567422;1479172555;asciilifeform;it's a columbinator. 1567423;1479172556;mod6;pete_dushenski: hey, glad you got a prize, I did like the yugo joke. 1567424;1479172582;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude no wai that's an ACTUAL tec-9. too fucking banged up 1567425;1479172590;mod6;Oh, maybe it wsa for the sax joke. Didn't see that. 1567426;1479172632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: antique. ~none made since late '90s, and was made half of plastic to even begin with 1567427;1479172653;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1567428;1479172653;asciilifeform;but ended up 'cult object' for complicated cultural reasonz 1567429;1479172728;mod6;mainly because of rap iirc. 1567430;1479172734;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why, it's not really a very good gun ? 1567431;1479172792;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by all possible measures (save for cost, was cheapo) it sucked donkey balls, but on account of unusual shape became memorable in film etc 1567432;1479172869;mircea_popescu;yeah. mostly cuz it looks like someone's garage-made flamethrower. 1567433;1479172873;asciilifeform;swedish maker went bust after clinton banned it by name. 1567434;1479172884;mod6;yeah, if those were envogue in the early 90s, the cheap aks were by the end of the 90s for sure. 1567435;1479172885;mircea_popescu;i half expected it's a converted camping butane burner 1567436;1479172898;asciilifeform;it resembles, imho, british 'sten', which was , yes, garage tech 1567437;1479172910;mircea_popescu;open bolt etc 1567438;1479172919;asciilifeform;ratatatatatat. 1567439;1479172965;mircea_popescu;incidentally alf : why don't ANY of these fucking idiots doing "mass shootings" like EVER read a fucking training manual, figure out they're supposed to carry ft not ap small arms ? 1567440;1479172979;mircea_popescu;"oh i'ma go to my school shoot everyone". really ? 1567441;1479173011;mircea_popescu;it'd even suit their inability to aim something fierce. 1567442;1479173014;asciilifeform;columbine d00dz supposedly brought propane tanks, but had nfi how to set off. 1567443;1479173029;mircea_popescu;(in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc) 1567444;1479173047;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform propane my foot. plasticated gasoline mix what is this. 1567445;1479173097;asciilifeform;bonus for using it british-style : douse 1,001 derps, then ask 'why not light match?' 1567446;1479173113;asciilifeform;let them say why not. 1567447;1479173140;asciilifeform;and make it known that if you see cop - will flick bic. 1567448;1479173178;mircea_popescu;after all flame front is supersonic in atmosphere 1567449;1479173204;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> (in ww2, the worst marksman always got the flamethrower. worst job, shit's heavy, you gotta get close etc) << oh no doubt. that's a rough job. like having a damn bomb on your back. next as bad is probably the radio guy. 1567450;1479173245;mod6;(radio guy has antenne sticking up, easy target.) 1567451;1479173284;mircea_popescu;iirc radio guy was favoritism spot, because you get to go into bunker / safer position / next to co 1567452;1479173388;mod6;well, prolly each squad/platoon has one in the forward position, relaying stuff back to other radio guy next to co in bunker. but, ya. 1567453;1479173391;asciilifeform;dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down) 1567454;1479173423;mircea_popescu;i dun think they did this on the allied side. 1567455;1479173450;asciilifeform;possibly because did not much bother with field crypto there 1567456;1479173472;mircea_popescu;mod6 i dunno that as late as vietnam they had that many forwards like that. generally even the artillery reporters were small squad with co machine gun 3-4 rifles etc 1567457;1479173541;mod6;ah, yah perhaps. 1567458;1479173588;mircea_popescu;(most of vietnam cinematic footage is one of these artillery reporter squads. works well for the needs of the camera.) 1567459;1479173753;mod6;<+asciilifeform> dunno re elsewhere, but in su army it was a mixed bag, co was expected to shoot radioman if the latter is at risk of capture (e.g., injured & down) << did the su radio guys have all the otp's for the day there with him or what not? 1567460;1479173776;mircea_popescu;i expect. 1567461;1479173789;mircea_popescu;truth be told the anglos had this "crypto dun werk" outlook throughout. 1567462;1479173794;asciilifeform;mod6: nah, they tended to use barbarisms where the man has a code in memory 1567463;1479173802;mircea_popescu;no otp ?! 1567464;1479173806;asciilifeform;incl. his 'morse fist' 1567465;1479173821;mod6;i gotta dig this up 1567466;1479173827;asciilifeform;when captured, would be made to 'funkspiel' with his characteristic style 1567467;1479173834;asciilifeform;ergo had to be shot. 1567468;1479173870;mod6;ooh. 1567469;1479173944;mod6;so the 'morse fist' was a guys ability to send error free and 'style' of the transmission of the message 1567470;1479173998;asciilifeform;iirc 'fist' is what engl.speaking folk called morse 'handwriting' in those times. 1567471;1479174016;mod6;i see 1567472;1479174025;mircea_popescu;mod6 you know how morse goes, every op has specific timings. 1567473;1479174045;mircea_popescu;!!up Test 1567474;1479174045;deedbot;Test voiced for 30 minutes. 1567475;1479174072;mod6;mircea_popescu: yah, that makes sense. 1567476;1479174260;mircea_popescu;that strange feeling when bing returns trilema for img search for "check your privilege shitlord". 1567477;1479174266;mircea_popescu;i had no fucking idea anyone actually uses bing. 1567478;1479174295;asciilifeform;wasn't it made default in firefox when the latter was colonized? 1567479;1479174335;mircea_popescu;o was it ? 1567480;1479174343;asciilifeform;(it also silently replaced 'yahoo search' some years ago) 1567481;1479174353;mircea_popescu;no that also still exists. 1567482;1479174372;mircea_popescu;there's also, i kid you not, Microsoft MSN Search 1567483;1479174400;mircea_popescu;i even get hits from excite, but i figure that's gotta be a joke. 1567484;1479174819;mircea_popescu;oh and to round off the lulz, http://trilema.com/administrator/components/com_jnewsletter/includes/openflashchart/php-ofc-library/ofc_upload_image.php?name=magic.php and http://trilema.com/components/com_jnews/includes/openflashchart/php-ofc-library/ofc_upload_image.php?name=magic.php.pHp because ofcourse. 1567485;1479175617;mod6;ah yes. i recall these. 1567486;1479175638;mod6;i heard nz got hit hard again yesterday 1567487;1479175658;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 1567488;1479175704;mod6;ah, earthquake in nz ~ yesterday 1567489;1479175709;mod6;people were talkin about it 1567490;1479175716;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/v3wgy << in even other lulz 1567491;1479175737;mircea_popescu;7,8 huh. one of these days it's gonna blow up innit. 1567492;1479175769;asciilifeform;'The attacker just have to press and keep pressing the [Enter] key at the LUKS password prompt until a shell appears, which occurs after 70 seconds approx.' 1567493;1479175770;mod6;maybe so 1567494;1479175777;mircea_popescu;lmao 1567495;1479175784;mircea_popescu;why are all ubuntus the same ? 1567496;1479175856;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the money shot is : "dracut is ALSO vulnerable, like initramfs is". because no, none of this is accidental, not anymore than castrated hipster's support for hillary is accidental. 1567497;1479175915;asciilifeform;at this point anyone with 2 neurons to rub together , i'd suppose, grasps this 1567498;1479175939;mircea_popescu;the key point however, is that it's also not "directed", so to speak. 1567499;1479175960;asciilifeform;is put in out of 'general principle' 1567500;1479175965;mircea_popescu;they're not dumb because the evil witch of the west tells them to, and when she dies they'll all wake up from dumb like from a spell. 1567501;1479175974;asciilifeform;and falls into half dozen or so rough taxanomic holes 1567502;1479175984;mircea_popescu;no, they are dumb because they are dumb, like iron is ductile because it is ductile ; any possible identified witches are scapegoats 1567503;1479175991;asciilifeform;'break console auth', 'rot rng',... 1567504;1479176079;asciilifeform;eh if farmer dies and cows escape into the desert, they will remain == as stupid as before, but ~undirectedly~ 1567505;1479176126;mircea_popescu;i suppose they are farmed, yes. 1567506;1479177313;mircea_popescu;and in other news, bannon makes chief of staff. 1567507;1479177340;mircea_popescu;bureaucracy deeply butthurt. 1567508;1479177496;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry ; chief ~strategist~. priebus will be chief of staff fwtw. 1567509;1479178396;asciilifeform;dafuq sort of name is 'priebus' 1567510;1479178451;asciilifeform;norwegian? 1567511;1479178478;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. 1567512;1479178588;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, nigel farage is utterly furios that notwithstanding he's the only brit with a trump pass, nevertheless may & friends won't come kiss his pinky ring. 1567513;1479178594;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy. 1567514;1479178752;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's so funny how much can change in a mere coupla decades. from clinton's "boy, i wish i could say the same" to obama's "i solemnly promise & swear trump won't be elected". 1567515;1479178781;mircea_popescu;i guess it makes sense one got impeached. 1567516;1479178788;mircea_popescu;well... almost impeached. 1567517;1479181828;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/vsMXn << not, as appearances might suggest, wholly unrelated: derps froth at the mouth that anyone might dare to play german conquest marches, 'I hope someone will inform their music authorities', 'I am usually very moderate about showcasing of the original information, but I don't think new performances should be encouraged!', etc. 1567518;1479181915;BingoBoingo; dafuq sort of name is 'priebus' << Lizard! 1567519;1479185043;ben_vulpes;!!up vvande 1567520;1479185044;deedbot;vvande voiced for 30 minutes. 1567521;1479185051;ben_vulpes;you can talk to deedbot in pm too, vvande 1567522;1479185060;vvande;oh I see 1567523;1479185122;vvande;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6ihww/?raw=true 1567524;1479185124;deedbot;C2F3ACF258CE9D436FCD93995F7496EC4F0FF004 registered as vvande. 1567525;1479185170;vvande;OK, that seemed to work. :) 1567526;1479185218;mircea_popescu;in other news, as trump prepares to repeal obamawarming, the libertard senate seems set to repeal godwin's law. 1567527;1479185342;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun get it, some people somewhere protest... music ? 1567528;1479186377;asciilifeform;protest 'unthinkable' dissent from the 'consensus' of the beetle-men who, it turns out, really won in '45. 1567529;1479186443;asciilifeform;(the folx with souls, or equiv. -- mostly killed one another. leaving -- this.) 1567530;1479186577;asciilifeform;and they hate, yes, even music, in so far as it pertains to the non-beetles, rather how proverbial vampire hates the crucifix 1567531;1479186675;*;ben_vulpes is pleased that coors is now the republican "murkka beer" 1567532;1479186700;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's murkka beer ? 1567533;1479186712;ben_vulpes;"america" 1567534;1479186723;asciilifeform;the pisswater that is not even distinguishable in the piss tank from the input ? 1567535;1479186743;ben_vulpes;well it's /fermented/ on the downstream side 1567536;1479186768;ben_vulpes;but no, "coors" is the pisswater, "murkka" is the place. 1567537;1479186996;asciilifeform;i have nfi what is the appeal. 1567538;1479187023;asciilifeform;at least the rotgut from BingoBoingo's 'night train' article, is cheap road to complete catatonia 1567539;1479187051;asciilifeform;(he might be interested to learn that very similar beverages existed in su) 1567540;1479187077;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Would not be surprised at all. These things find a way. 1567541;1479187211;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://agriculture.by/upload/News/144102_31-vino.jpg << they still exist in belorus. with marks like 'merry carousel'.. 1567542;1479187258;BingoBoingo;I doubt they will ever cease to exist. 1567543;1479187346;asciilifeform;these typically were made by admixture of 3rd rate fruit juices (sometimes spoiled) and ethyl. 1567544;1479187409;asciilifeform;( naturally i did not live long enough to drink these, know of them mainly from memoirs of folks from past 2 generations ) 1567545;1479187420;BingoBoingo;Just like night train/thunderbird/et al. They are a societally necessary sort of thing. 1567546;1479195630;BingoBoingo;!!up the_scourge 1567547;1479195631;deedbot;the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1567548;1479195639;BingoBoingo;the_scourge: What did you get pinched for? 1567549;1479212189;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3CFFFB47C333728371427FE2CB20F1E5699D1AB4181C86C19BDC93D9CC580856 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 10360675149891496696743993074038515514679184692657560451481201750238139845648139005675108913997292011349770797364446313354371937302222251376246656792243397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.226 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1567550;1479212266;mircea_popescu;goood mornin' phuctor lol 1567551;1479212699;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3CFFFB47C333728371427FE2CB20F1E5699D1AB4181C86C19BDC93D9CC580856 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 10360675149891496696743993074038515514679184692657560451481201750238139845648139005675108913997292011349770797364446313354371937302222251376246656792243397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.226 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.226 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1567552;1479212699;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E398AB2D76701B47540512A265F39492F768F68C2ABFFAF708B52A5F1FCEA627 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 10360675149891496696743993074038515514679184692657560451481201750238139845648139005675108913997292011349770797364446313354371937302222251376246656792243397 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.223 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.223 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on 1567553;1479212831;mircea_popescu;hm. repeated. 1567554;1479219841;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ << Trilema - They're not progressive, they're just lazy - a practical exercise 1567555;1479223169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still have nfi why deedbot repeats'em, the rss page itself, notice, never repeats. 1567556;1479223349;mod6;mornin' 1567557;1479223361;asciilifeform;mornin' mod6 1567558;1479223446;mircea_popescu;must be some confusion 1567559;1479223530;asciilifeform;i vaguely recall that there was a hypothesis, but unable to find it in the logz 1567560;1479223666;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone bothered to gather all these factored ssh keys, reconstruct their privkeys, and then try connect to the whole internet using it ? 1567561;1479223687;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought we went over this 1567562;1479223700;asciilifeform;breaking these ssh keys doesn't get you in anywhere 1567563;1479223705;mircea_popescu;how do you know this ? 1567564;1479223712;asciilifeform;only lets you eavesdrop 1567565;1479223718;mircea_popescu;again - how do you know this ? 1567566;1479223759;mircea_popescu;yes, obviously, you can now mitm whoever tries to connect to compromised box. HOWEVER there's no rule that someone coouldn't have made one of these boxes admins on other boxes. 1567567;1479223762;asciilifeform;aite, somewhere, there could be a maniac who configured his box for ssh ~login~ , and with same key as some such in phuctor. 1567568;1479223777;mircea_popescu;could be ? my dear alf, i'm willing to bet there is, on the strength of experience to date. 1567569;1479223803;Framedragger;can you even use an ssh server key as ssh client key (and yes i agree if it's easy to do, someone will have done it) 1567570;1479223818;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is ~possible~ to use 0000...0 as ssh key.. 1567571;1479223846;mircea_popescu;a key's a key, there's no "server key" as such. 1567572;1479223870;mircea_popescu;ie, generate key on server, have it spit out the priv/pub pair, register it into another server, done. 1567573;1479223871;Framedragger;i mean in practical terms, of course, theoretically, but as in, would a canonical ssh agent eat it up 1567574;1479223890;asciilifeform;i presently know of no system that ships with remote-login-with-key-auth enabled by default. does not mean that there isn't such a thing. 1567575;1479223898;*;mircea_popescu has this morning looked into cpanel, it would seem you can do this trivally. 1567576;1479223908;Framedragger;well for one ssh client keys normally have an email/ID associated with them, not sure if ssh agent would like an ssh server key. in theory, yes, sure 1567577;1479223938;Framedragger;hm. worth a try for sure. 1567578;1479223941;mircea_popescu;Framedragger 1. open cpanel session 2. generate ssh key 3. export it 4. import it into another. see a connect to b. 1567579;1479223954;Framedragger;okey dokey. point taken 1567580;1479223967;mircea_popescu;now, whether anyone has actually done this who's also in our set is of course dubious 1567581;1479223986;mircea_popescu;but i'm thinking maybe it went from "crack rsa" to "phuctor" level of dubiousness. 1567582;1479224271;asciilifeform;this would be a slightly more interesting imho exercise if the popped boxes were not all routers/webcams/etc where no one hangs on shell 1567583;1479224318;asciilifeform;though i will point out that i do not conclusively know this about ~all~ of them, only all of the ones that are still alive at the ip where they turned up in june... 1567584;1479224384;mircea_popescu;more a case of "locate the maniacs" than anything. 1567585;1479224398;mircea_popescu;i think people generally misunderstand just how fucking abundant insanity is 1567586;1479224401;asciilifeform;btw quite a few of those boxen you can log into, right ~now~ 1567587;1479224404;asciilifeform;with default creds. 1567588;1479224407;mircea_popescu;aha. 1567589;1479224419;mircea_popescu;it wasn't some sort of grand "oh we shall pwn boxen" as such. 1567590;1479224434;asciilifeform;(the remainder - also can, with manufacturer's backdoor pw, which i simply do not happen to know) 1567591;1479224454;mircea_popescu;though "admin" and "12345" usually carry the day 1567592;1479224472;asciilifeform;admin/[blank] interestingly, most common on the current set. 1567593;1479224492;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's better from an ux perspective. 1567594;1479224514;mircea_popescu;also what customers have come to expect, what with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567492 etc 1567595;1479224514;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 02:09 asciilifeform: 'The attacker just have to press and keep pressing the [Enter] key at the LUKS password prompt until a shell appears, which occurs after 70 seconds approx.' 1567596;1479224541;asciilifeform;btw everyone possibly already knows this, but bugmakers refer to nsa et al as 'customers' 1567597;1479224553;asciilifeform;(and not, as naively one might expect, to their ~actual~ customers as such) 1567598;1479225069;jurov;mircea_popescu: to actually connect, client keys must be cracked. asciilifeform: when can i expect the hopper to free for these? 1567599;1479225113;mircea_popescu;jurov yes ? 1567600;1479225148;jurov;i have the github pubkeys 1567601;1479225178;mircea_popescu;o, those are still waiting ? i thought they were in already for some reason. 1567602;1479225674;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at hooker motel, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ff0a272b2abcbdcf9d79b7323f40a47a/tumblr_mupvdzpGOt1sdw9gyo1_1280.jpg 1567603;1479227294;asciilifeform;jurov: i can slip'em in after the current batch of Framedragger keys is digested, a few wks from now. otherwise - april or so. 1567604;1479227332;mircea_popescu;bejaysus, we actually have 6 months of fuel here ?! 1567605;1479227336;asciilifeform;we do. 1567606;1479227342;mircea_popescu;somehow i was under the impression we're just about running out 1567607;1479227346;asciilifeform;jurov: if you have them in ready format, send'em over. 1567608;1479227368;mircea_popescu;and so then what, jurov 's set is gonna add another what... two years ? more ? 1567609;1479227376;asciilifeform;i have nfi how many he has 1567610;1479227390;jurov;iirc 10millions. they're still in e,N,comment CSV 1567611;1479227393;mircea_popescu;but basically we're at what, 200k/month or such ? 1567612;1479227400;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: approx. 1567613;1479227406;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the feeding is the sole bottleneck. 1567614;1479227422;mircea_popescu;jurov you got us covered for 2 years! 1567615;1479227433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any way this can be sped up though ? 1567616;1479227474;asciilifeform;theoretically there are ways 1567617;1479227490;asciilifeform;will need substantial work tho. 1567618;1479227517;mircea_popescu;there's worse fates than a 2year phuctor fuel supply. (i guess.) 1567619;1479227538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did you ever get a copy of jurov's keys though ? 1567620;1479227545;asciilifeform;dun think so 1567621;1479227584;asciilifeform;or wait 1567622;1479227593;mircea_popescu;i thought he sent it 1567623;1479227601;asciilifeform;i have something: 1567624;1479227604;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469636 1567625;1479227604;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 17:47 jurov: asciilifeform: github rsa keys: http://www.explo.yt/phathub-201506.csv.xz 1567626;1479227615;asciilifeform;5662db8716ddfa945e0b45103517eb681b32f7c2615af731ae0644737e92389122f8740e6f86201e61b96513bd2ace3301dd288c88f3e93bae46dd7594327dac phathub-201506.csv.xz 1567627;1479227621;asciilifeform;aaaaha it. 1567628;1479227622;asciilifeform;so yes. 1567629;1479227624;mircea_popescu;cool then. 1567630;1479227624;asciilifeform;there it is. 1567631;1479227635;mircea_popescu;jurov sorry if this is frustratingly slow. 1567632;1479227760;Framedragger;jurov: i have a trivial python script based on your openpgp-generator to convert arbitrary numbers of e,N,comment into pgp if interested (but you prolly have something of the same - just in case) 1567633;1479227760;jurov;Should have converted them to gpg, as Framedragger did. 1567634;1479227795;asciilifeform;Framedragger: jurov posted a quite working one earlier, i used it for the amd keys recently 1567635;1479227800;asciilifeform;(and posted that version here also) 1567636;1479227830;Framedragger;ah yeah i recall. i think my only modification is that it handles bulk amounts, but really nothing special 1567637;1479227879;Framedragger;also, i may want to re-run the base ipv4 ssh server finder at some point, i'm sure i'll get some more keys :p 1567638;1479227916;jurov;yea, they usually don't survive reinstalls 1567639;1479227919;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this time, i recommend, with built-in port scan 1567640;1479227921;Framedragger;(vc's cockbox vps don't care about no abuse complaintz.) 1567641;1479227941;Framedragger;asciilifeform: as in, scan additional ports, you mean? 1567642;1479227964;asciilifeform;as in, if it serves up http or https on any port, i want a snapshot 1567643;1479227968;Framedragger;or banner-grabber? i have all the banners still. (and no i haven't done anything with them, yet) 1567644;1479227971;asciilifeform;if telnet - the greeting string 1567645;1479227976;asciilifeform;and yes 1567646;1479227979;Framedragger;ah, right on. yes, fair enough. 1567647;1479227990;asciilifeform;(and if https -- the pubkey also!) 1567648;1479228005;asciilifeform;because these, imho, ought to go next. 1567649;1479228019;asciilifeform;why should henninger et al and their 'seekrit evidence' remain 'state of art' 1567650;1479228041;Framedragger;aha, the way it'd work, it'd still scan only port 22 initially, because grabbing banners / doing stateful communication is much slower. doing the former is a matter of TCP SYN/ACK, with embedded 'cookies', no need for state 1567651;1479228052;Framedragger;but the 2nd ssh-key-extractor stage can do the stuff you want, yes. 1567652;1479228054;Framedragger;sounds good 1567653;1479228075;Framedragger;aha yes, ssl certs should go into the oven, too. 1567654;1479228078;asciilifeform;betcha even if this is slow, it is still faster than feeding'em into the db currently 1567655;1479228113;asciilifeform;(they, as everyone probably already guessed, get db queried one-at-a-time. to do anything else would result in a 50x more complicated phuctor.) 1567656;1479228181;asciilifeform;phuctor is a living illustration of the tradeoffs of 'muntzing'. it is ~100 % reliable, and (aside from the unicode turdolade) demonstrably bug-free. but this comes at a price. 1567657;1479228205;mircea_popescu;Framedragger preferably sometime in 2019 lo; 1567658;1479228268;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wut seekrit evidence ? 1567659;1479228285;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they never, afaik, published one single factor. 1567660;1479228294;asciilifeform;or the ip of one single popped box. 1567661;1479228297;mircea_popescu;of course not. but i dun grok how it relates ? 1567662;1479228318;asciilifeform;well, they -- supposedly -- did phuctor-with-ssl 1567663;1479228327;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i have this idea of doing focused not-for-coal-mines work this summer (some time after May) lol. so maybe even 2017!!1 1567664;1479228337;asciilifeform;and then wrote fancy paper with charts etc. but 0 actual hard evidence 1567665;1479228340;mircea_popescu;except a) they didn't and b) we did and c) they published nothing and d) we published both ips and factors ? 1567666;1479228346;asciilifeform;aha. 1567667;1479228364;asciilifeform;they published (claimed) tally, charts, 'discussion' 1567668;1479228369;asciilifeform;as these folx tend to. 1567669;1479228374;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the idea being that we're overflowing data to process, after your set ends up in spring jurov's goes in and may take a year+ 1567670;1479228391;Framedragger;ahh, that's what you mean. yeah k lol. 1567671;1479228394;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform straight to http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ 1567672;1479228399;Framedragger;well, it is nice to have data. 1567673;1479228405;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. 1567674;1479228429;asciilifeform;in all fairness, i will likely rewrite it again before 2 yrs . seems to have become a yearly chore. 1567675;1479228437;mircea_popescu;you should see the level this kabuki has achieved. they actually post multiple imagemagick generated jpegs. which are "proof" 1567676;1479228490;Framedragger;could it be that half of them are bots, mircea_popescu? can't imagine them being able to use imagemagick for the life of me 1567677;1479228494;mircea_popescu;http://c2n.me/3EoP61W.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoP6jH.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoP6Cw.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoP7Op.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoP8qD.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoP9cQ.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoP9Mv.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoPag1.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoPaE7.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoPbk7.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoPbUH.jpg http://c2n.me/3EoPciS.jpg << like so. 1567678;1479228497;mircea_popescu;this proves something 1567679;1479228517;asciilifeform;and if we really get mircea_popescu's botnet system, perhaps phuctor can finally get off the elephant box and onto 1024 chickens.. 1567680;1479228520;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i expect they have a fully scripted environment cobbled together out of visual basic, httpfox and what have you 1567681;1479228543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lemon market, there. 1567682;1479228567;Framedragger;well, good for the skriptkiddies then. a spammy-scripty strategy is a strategy nonetheless. 1567683;1479228593;asciilifeform;and l0l!!1 is THIS why i'm getting arsebook hits on dulap..? 1567684;1479228595;Framedragger;except for the whole "wasting time of actual people" side of things.. 1567685;1479228607;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the problem they face is that as they cannibalized language itself they're now stuck in a very lost world without any possibility of out of band 1567686;1479228633;mircea_popescu;the ancient cobbler apprentice who did a bad job had two out of band systems, his master's crop and his master's words, to shake him out of biological amoebasty. 1567687;1479228654;mircea_popescu;but these kids, who cobble not sandals but the very words... they're stuck in monoband world. and i honestly see no possible solution. 1567688;1479228664;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. 1567689;1479228665;Framedragger;i see what you mean. now it's a closed bubble/system for them, sort of... 1567690;1479228666;asciilifeform;^C^C^C^C^C^C^C 1567691;1479228725;mircea_popescu;anyway. i don't think they wasted my time nor do i think myself the victim. fact is i can turn them into value if i so decide, much like the beekeeper can make candles and honeycomb if he wants. and if i don't want - i just don't make a fiverr account. not like they can do anything whatsoever, they can't even elect hillary. 1567692;1479228747;asciilifeform;reminds me, more than anything, of that time, half decade ago now, that i bought some 'google ads' for my robot control product 1567693;1479228751;asciilifeform;(story is in the logz) 1567694;1479228754;mircea_popescu;but they concerned with the proposition of alf the bee-dog's bees, ie these things... they've a serious problem. 1567695;1479228799;asciilifeform;at this point i cannot think of what these 'bees' might be good for, they are not even bees, but roaches, there is no roach candle wax afaik. 1567696;1479228809;asciilifeform;even solving spam 'captcha' is better with machine. 1567697;1479228987;mircea_popescu;well, you can kill them elaborately for the public amusement... 1567698;1479229055;asciilifeform;i picture that even this gets old. (though i will still buy ticket!) 1567699;1479229084;mircea_popescu;well, as appetite strikes. avocado never got old. 1567700;1479229192;asciilifeform;speaking of public amusement, word is that ~all~ 3,000 or so obummer 'staffers' are quitting. and now being replaced. 1567701;1479229204;mircea_popescu;Framedragger re automation angle - i dunno, i suppose varying amounts of elbow grease could be employed, entirely as a mechanical gearbox, in lieu of actual automation. just it doesn't fit in my head - the same people who wouldn't read ten words would then go through the motions, orders of magnitude more complex, of making screenshots etc ? 1567702;1479229212;asciilifeform;(that forest of office towers around wh is full of these, traditionally) 1567703;1479229220;mircea_popescu;not that it's out and out impossible, after all the bee will do what it knows in preference of all otehr deeds. 1567704;1479229235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "quitting" is how they'd like it to be called. 1567705;1479229285;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if that blurring is not imagemagick'd in place, then how was it obtained ? that sorta thing. 1567706;1479229319;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as was said about hruschev, 'его ушли' 1567707;1479229326;asciilifeform;'he was quitted' 1567708;1479229333;mircea_popescu;aha lol 1567709;1479229345;mircea_popescu;in romanian - fu uschit 1567710;1479229349;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, i guess can't be certain. doesn't really fit for sure.. 1567711;1479229428;mircea_popescu;the very notion of "screenshot as proof" is suspect and to my mind inseparable from http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ 1567712;1479229544;asciilifeform;promisetronic 'verifications' are an eternal plague among the stupid. consider even the timestamp in gpg (to make the phuctor sig from last night's qntra, i used ordinary gpg 1.4, with patch). what business does a userland proggy have asking for the wall clock time without permission? if i want it to have a time, i will pipe 'date' to it... 1567713;1479229587;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1567714;1479229687;mircea_popescu;not, on the other hand, to deny that there in fact exists this subculture dedicated to the screenshot as quotation mechanism, or that tech support teams regularly see terrabytes of crap each month, clogging the tubes for no conceivable reason. it has to do with a failure of literacy, a certain laziness of the mind that thinks in symbols (which is what the screenshot is).as newman put it, "to see things as they are, to go righ 1567715;1479229687;mircea_popescu;t to the point, to disentangle a skein of thought, to detect what is sophistical, and to discard what is irrelevant." 1567716;1479229751;asciilifeform;also has to do with ubiquitously broken software (why the fuck is it possible for www site's scripts to MODIFY THE CLIPBOARD??) 1567717;1479229773;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure that's javascript. 1567718;1479229777;asciilifeform;well yes 1567719;1479229782;asciilifeform;but that is not answer 1567720;1479229791;mircea_popescu;hey, if you run js you're basically outsourcing root. 1567721;1479229877;asciilifeform;if you plug in the nic, you're 'outsourcing root', eh. 1567722;1479229906;mircea_popescu;but javascript is specifically dedicated to doing dumb shit like "i'll pretend to be you - and fill the clipboard" 1567723;1479229918;mircea_popescu;that's what it DOES. 1567724;1479229920;asciilifeform;and break the 'back' button, etc. 1567725;1479229937;asciilifeform;draw 'popup' on screen straight through supposed 'popup filter' 1567726;1479229939;asciilifeform;and the like. 1567727;1479229972;mircea_popescu;well, in fairness the back button thing is because browsers are shit more than anything. there's a thousand ways to break it, including by introducing an expiring page in the stack etc. 1567728;1479230012;mircea_popescu;ie, the back button itself is promisetronic as implemented by browsers. "almost like lisp!" 1567729;1479230024;asciilifeform;whole thing is a crock of shit, for quite fundamental reasons -- let teenage cocklets design infrastructure, it will look like www stack every time. 1567730;1479230088;asciilifeform;and ever power switch, on every box i've had since my 'cyrix' 486-dx, was promisetronic. 1567731;1479230119;asciilifeform;(incidentally -- it was mandated, by microshit. purely as show of force.) 1567732;1479230194;mircea_popescu;to get back to the pguctor feeding briefly - you mean "one at a time" as in insert into whatever values () as opposed to insert into whatever values (),(),() ? 1567733;1479230246;asciilifeform;as in, the thing gets hashed, and db gets queried for the hash, and for the fp (these are two separate and not wholly overlapping ways to index pgp keys) to see if we already have either 1567734;1479230254;asciilifeform;then inserted correctly. 1567735;1479230259;mircea_popescu;ah. myeah. 1567736;1479230284;mircea_popescu;what db is it, progres ? 1567737;1479230289;asciilifeform;aha 1567738;1479230305;asciilifeform;postg. 1567739;1479230315;asciilifeform;bog-standard. 1567740;1479230321;mircea_popescu;i think some magic could be had where you put all the new items into a new table then merge the two tables where hashes don't match. 1567741;1479230324;mircea_popescu;but i am no db expert. 1567742;1479230366;asciilifeform;this is what i meant when said 'theoretically - yes' 1567743;1479230496;mircea_popescu;aha 1567744;1479230599;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/OulNa << can't say that herr soros is spent quite yet!111 they are marching out ~high school~ pupils to 'protest' nao. 1567745;1479230615;asciilifeform;(for non-u.s. folk: this is not a thing normally permitted) 1567746;1479230653;asciilifeform;'About 800 Montgomery Blair High School students attended the rally at the stadium, and most returned to class afterward, Montgomery County Public Schools spokeswoman Gboyinde Onijala said.' 1567747;1479230667;mircea_popescu;gbo who ?! 1567748;1479230674;asciilifeform;aha, i also dropped jaw 1567749;1479230699;mircea_popescu;what happened to "you're not willing to follow the rules, you can't take public office" ? 1567750;1479230700;asciilifeform;linked ~solely for this detail. 1567751;1479230710;asciilifeform;fdr. 1567752;1479230717;asciilifeform;lincoln. et al. 1567753;1479230837;mircea_popescu;"It hurt me inside knowing somebody from outside our race is talking bad about us," said Rodriguez, carrying a sign reading, "Brown and Proud." 1567754;1479230869;pete_dushenski;brown race ? how racist. 1567755;1479230888;mircea_popescu;kinda the point of the whole "special" bullshit. everything the anal child does is directed towards the same protection of his childhood, and in this particular case - if he's special enough then you can't "say bad things" because are outside ; and if you're not outside he'll just... specialize more. 1567756;1479230922;pete_dushenski;like whole #rapemelania thing, libertards are now outting themselves as the biggest racists/sexists/bigots around, post-trump 1567757;1479231069;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/rTmsK << "where is the outrage??!" 1567758;1479231095;pete_dushenski;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1567759;1479231100;mircea_popescu;o hey, apparently twitter DOESN'T have you know, guidelines etc anymore. 1567760;1479231141;pete_dushenski;gotta appeal to any and all possible suitors now that it's turning tricks on the corner for dimes. go jack! 1567761;1479231154;mircea_popescu;who's jack ? 1567762;1479231168;pete_dushenski;dorsey. twitter founder. 1567763;1479231175;mircea_popescu;ah ok. 1567764;1479231291;mircea_popescu;lol chris rock dun give a shit, he's promoting some new movie and big titty tuesday 1567765;1479231297;pete_dushenski;he was kicked out / sold out when twitter was nearing peak valuation then brought back to 'save' co. meanwhile he shoulda stayed on the beach sipping margaritas because he failed miserably to 'pull a steve' 1567766;1479231521;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm sure they're paying him to be there. 1567767;1479231574;BingoBoingo;Sure but they are porlly paying him with Inequity! 1567768;1479231617;mircea_popescu;eh. maybe they're paying him in fresh tail. so he made up some scam, sold it to some suckers for $$$, then they want him to come back and be worshipped by all the interns ? sure, why not. 1567769;1479231656;mircea_popescu;maybe some of 'em want to go away for a weekend, you don't know till you ask amirite. 1567770;1479231660;BingoBoingo;Nah, it's Inequity. See Jack, he is in Tweaven and you are banned. 1567771;1479231666;pete_dushenski;"At Twitter, he didn't collect a salary or stock options last year and only received personal and residential security costs totaling $68,506." << dorsey's 2015 figures 1567772;1479231667;mircea_popescu;lol 1567773;1479231680;mircea_popescu;i'm telling you, tail. 1567774;1479231699;asciilifeform;there are other untaxable unsalaries, unoptions, e.g., jet rides, etc. 1567775;1479231715;mircea_popescu;who the fuck would want stock options on twitter. 1567776;1479231731;asciilifeform;nobody, so paid in mig rides and cuntjuice 1567777;1479231798;BingoBoingo;Well, as Elliot pointed out Tail is also an Inequity 1567778;1479231817;mircea_popescu;they're prolly too ethnic for elliot. 1567779;1479231911;BingoBoingo;And Elliot is too ethnic for them. 1567780;1479231917;BingoBoingo;So unfair. 1567781;1479231929;BingoBoingo;Such a valuable inequity. 1567782;1479231948;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#349 << ohmygerd how i hate this shit. it ends with "to quote text in screenshot of screenshot, i'll make a screenshot". tumblr at least retains/-ed the concept of a "quote as a block of text". wouldn't be surprised if not for long. 1567783;1479231949;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-15: [17:08:07] not, on the other hand, to deny that there in fact exists this subculture dedicated to the screenshot as quotation mechanism, or that tech support teams regularly see terrabytes of crap each month, clogging the tubes for no conceivable reason. it has to do with a failure of literacy, a certain laziness of the mind that thinks in symbols (which is 1567784;1479231949;scriba;what the screenshot is).as newman put it, "to see things as they are, to go righ 1567785;1479232747;mircea_popescu;myeah. rahter insufferable aren't they. 1567786;1479233412;Framedragger;this reminds of james mickens' rants on 'mobile' and 'modern web', e.g. (JS - i've linked to it once iirc, under the bdsm social board discussion): http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/mickens/files/towashitallaway.pdf (html: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/towashitallaway.html - for logs) 1567787;1479233576;Framedragger;(and no, the irony of linking to pdf which talks about stupid frontend formats is not lost on me... :( ) 1567788;1479233591;asciilifeform;or to html ver that is missing one word in 5 from original... 1567789;1479233607;asciilifeform;(which is a shame, this is a great piece imho) 1567790;1479233653;asciilifeform;the one problem, shared with every other piece like this that i know of, is that it omits the obvious cure, which is not simply to thermonuke the crud, but to kill the horse it rode in on, and the rider, and to burn the field that it fed on, and salt it. 1567791;1479233682;asciilifeform;and bury long-lived reactor waste there, for good measure. 1567792;1479233737;asciilifeform;worked for netscape ? partied with jwz ? sat on itu standards committee ? there is a pick at butugychag with yer name on it. 1567793;1479233827;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/crjex/?raw=true << ascii paste seems to grab the txt correctly, oddly enough. 1567794;1479233942;Framedragger;ah, that's nice. 1567795;1479233946;Framedragger;(and yes, agree.) 1567796;1479233974;asciilifeform;which is why i'm not terribly thrilled with strategic retreats like 'let's keep dns but with our root' etc. 1567797;1479233987;Framedragger;(in fairness, the html sometimes mangles two words together, omitting a space, or somesuch. not many words are lost. but still, shame.) 1567798;1479234066;asciilifeform;Framedragger: some months ago i restored a vintage keyboard, with capacitative matrix (contactless) which needed new controller and analogue calibration etc. it was interesting learning experience in that i never understood how ~motherfucking reliable~ an ordinary keyboard must be before it feels usable. 1567799;1479234074;Framedragger;asciilifeform: do note that mircea_popescu's idea of keeping dns is more akin to a general WoT-enforced hashtable, update-able via (in principle) gossipd-compatible pgprams, and (for the time being) transportable over dns/udp. the latter so that dns clients can make use of it. 1567800;1479234078;asciilifeform;an error of 500 ppm or so is already quite painful, palpably 1567801;1479234090;asciilifeform;which is to say, one or two 'wtf, i pressed / and got F15' every day 1567802;1479234090;Framedragger;asciilifeform: which is, i think, not a complete retreat, so to speak 1567803;1479234134;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is retreat in that it keeps 10,000,001 lines of C written by teenagers 1567804;1479234162;asciilifeform;(and transport link where nsa can flip any bit or drop any packet with impunity etc) 1567805;1479234346;asciilifeform;i will confess, that i judge any such effort first of all by one metric -- how many lines of jwz c code it EXTIRPATES 1567806;1479234388;asciilifeform;burn, with hot irons. 1567807;1479234455;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/google-pull-adsense-from-news-content-it-doesnt-like/ << Qntra - Google Pull Adsense From News Content It Doesn't Like 1567808;1479234478;asciilifeform;(incidentally, if something runs ~solely~ on top of a system written in jwzc, it is to be counted as jwzc code, every line. just as every penny spent by an embezzler from his embezzled funds counts as mis-spent.) 1567809;1479234489;asciilifeform;hence js, etc., all same. 1567810;1479234684;Framedragger;asciilifeform: "it was interesting learning experience in that i never understood how ~motherfucking reliable~ an ordinary keyboard must be before it feels usable." very interesting! nice project. (ppm == pixels per meter?) 1567811;1479234692;asciilifeform;parts per million 1567812;1479234699;Framedragger;ah! k 1567813;1479234742;Framedragger;right, both precision and accuracy required (any error rate cripples the UX, etc.) 1567814;1479234773;asciilifeform;earlier this year, i wanted to fit symmetric cipher into trb, and get rid of 'blackholing' etc. but mircea_popescu correctly pointed out that it is the Wrong Thing to cement a pseudoscientific abortion like AES (or ANY OTHER known symmetric cipher!) into place 1567815;1479234776;asciilifeform;and i still agree. 1567816;1479234780;asciilifeform;and also agree re dns. 1567817;1479234845;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#440 << sure, i guess. (note though that this effort would get rid of dns server code, though. and it does not obstruct one from later patching dns client code / rewriting a much more simplistic name query client.) 1567818;1479234845;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-15: [18:22:14] Framedragger: it is retreat in that it keeps 10,000,001 lines of C written by teenagers 1567819;1479234871;asciilifeform;when you make use of something, successfully, you inevitably come to rely on it. this is a cost. i am still paying the cost for having used a python library in 2013. 1567820;1479234878;trinque;lel 1567821;1479234890;Framedragger;re. plaintext for all NSAs to read, sure, there's that. goes against gossipd's "no free bits for the unauthenticated" i guess. but again, this can be wrapped in gossipd later. 1567822;1479234913;trinque;describe "wrapped in gossipd" ? 1567823;1479234923;trinque;one central table of all things seems entirely anti-gossipd 1567824;1479234929;asciilifeform;Framedragger: worse than this, it is even difficult to quantity the cost of perpetuating the IDEA of a 'block cipher' as being A THING 1567825;1479234952;Framedragger;trinque: not that part. the transport part - name query/response, as well as name updates. 1567826;1479234957;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you cannot get rid of the idiocy of 10,000,001 lines of jwzola by 'wrapping' in anything 1567827;1479234960;trinque;Framedragger: name of what 1567828;1479234960;Framedragger;trinque: but yes, the central table thing remains 1567829;1479234964;asciilifeform;'wrapping' is why software is garbage 1567830;1479234965;asciilifeform;all of it 1567831;1479234986;asciilifeform;this whole notion. that you can 'wrap' stupidity in something and hide it away. 1567832;1479235010;Framedragger;trinque: i meant as a generic string - trying to avoid the term 'domain' as the latter is not accurate.. 1567833;1479235016;trinque;not what I'm asking 1567834;1479235025;trinque;I call that guy "shithead" and you call him "sir" 1567835;1479235027;trinque;so what? 1567836;1479235030;trinque;and who is right? 1567837;1479235058;Framedragger;trinque: right, this is cf. gossipd's "everyone has their own a la hosts file, and does with it what they like". is that what you meant? 1567838;1479235067;*;trinque is not opposed to doing something with DNS while we still must use it 1567839;1479235072;asciilifeform;central namespaces are a dumb idea. i regard it as my duty to put this on record. 1567840;1479235073;trinque;just that it does *not* map sanely to gossiptronics 1567841;1479235094;Framedragger;i see what you mean. 1567842;1479235150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567796 << eh get out, nothing of that kind. 1567843;1479235150;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 18:19 asciilifeform: which is why i'm not terribly thrilled with strategic retreats like 'let's keep dns but with our root' etc. 1567844;1479235155;Framedragger;i don't have a strong opinion, i wonder what mircea_popescu thinks. i guess the answer would also focus on the "while we still must use it" aspect 1567845;1479235166;trinque;sure, we have websites neh? 1567846;1479235178;Framedragger;"allegedly" 1567847;1479235249;Framedragger;so, yeah. and i'm no longer convinced it would redundant, in the sense that when gossipd cometh, one must throweth the 'general name system' away 1567848;1479235265;Framedragger;there could be WoT members maintaining their own namespaces that others may want to peruse, etc. 1567849;1479235272;Framedragger;but i speculate. 1567850;1479235347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform keeps my foot. what the hell does it keep ? 1567851;1479235362;asciilifeform;keeps the infrastructure - the clients, servers. 1567852;1479235371;mircea_popescu;go find one line of code currently involved in dns in any capacity that you can prove is going to remain there. 1567853;1479235382;mircea_popescu;ugh. no it doesn't. 1567854;1479235398;mircea_popescu;that's the whole discussion re "delgation" in the comments. 1567855;1479235412;trinque;it's kinda "I will not take this land until it is flying my flag already" 1567856;1479235415;asciilifeform;waaaiwat, why would you keep the unauthenticable crock of shit made of 10,001 ITU idiocies if you ~weren't~ gonna keep the code ?! 1567857;1479235448;mircea_popescu;there's no discussion re any of that. who said "unauthenticable" ? 1567858;1479235488;asciilifeform;unless i misunderstand, thread was about mircea_popescu's idea of recycling traditional dns, but using own root 1567859;1479235514;mircea_popescu;you misunderstand. 1567860;1479235538;Framedragger;personally i don't see why there could not be a GNS which would be separate from commitments to specific transport standards. have a table, have a transport layer, swap the layer later. i may be naive in regards to the "swap" step, i guess... :/ 1567861;1479235550;asciilifeform;(incidentally, dns was cleverly designed by nato lackeys ~not to be~ cryptoencapsulable. for instance, it demands 512byte udp packet. go and wrap that in ANYTHING and see how fragments.) 1567862;1479235561;asciilifeform;so now you gotta replace all extant hardware. 1567863;1479235596;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567823 << every system you ever use will have a dictionary ; and every system you ever used in the past had a dictionary. this is unavoidable. you prefer one over another, dictionaries, systems, that's your problem. but if you read the linked rfc - there's parts they get right, right before the parts they fuck up that i underlined in red. 1567864;1479235596;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 18:35 trinque: one central table of all things seems entirely anti-gossipd 1567865;1479235600;mircea_popescu;you can't have a system without a dictionary. 1567866;1479235602;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i thought so too, but basically mircea_popescu's idea would dispatch of the whole 'dns zone' concept. there would be no 'domain' per se. dns clients could still query 'loper-os', but the server would be a simple table, with no understanding of zones or significance of "." 1567867;1479235624;asciilifeform;Framedragger: abstraction layering doesn't work. it is the great lie of the software age. 1567868;1479235665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fact that you can query dns server over current dns protocol and get current response does NOT create an obligation on your to do so. 1567869;1479235674;mircea_popescu;feel free to query it over gossipd, or over whatever else. 1567870;1479235679;asciilifeform;Framedragger: fact is, central table of anything at all, is a throne, i simply do not see the 'win' from retaining the throne. 1567871;1479235696;mircea_popescu;so how do you propose to have a lisp ? 1567872;1479235715;asciilifeform;same way i have long division. 1567873;1479235730;mircea_popescu;be explicit. metaphora doesn't belong here. 1567874;1479235742;trinque;I would expect that if I am on gossipnet and I want loper-os, I ask my friends if they have a key which they call loper-os 1567875;1479235748;asciilifeform;then refine specifically what means 'a lisp' here 1567876;1479235748;mircea_popescu;if there's nowhere to lookup the "(" how will you have a lisp ? because "we all know" ? and if we don't know how do we find out ? 1567877;1479235764;mircea_popescu;out of band dns-over-phone is not an improvement. over anything. 1567878;1479235790;mircea_popescu;trinque and if you want to know what deedbot contains, also ask friends ? 1567879;1479235794;asciilifeform;and here we are speaking non-standardized commercial pidgin from long-dead empire, and it mostly worx.. 1567880;1479235802;mircea_popescu;you ask your friends what they think ; not what the world is. 1567881;1479235810;Framedragger;asciilifeform: how about: make a proof of concept name system, use it instead of current dns root server set for now, later enable every gossipd user to run their own instance of name system if they prefer the fully-decentralized-dictionary path; the initial PoC will still have been useful. 1567882;1479235814;Framedragger;i guess counterpoint would be http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#456 1567883;1479235814;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-15: [18:34:31] when you make use of something, successfully, you inevitably come to rely on it. this is a cost. i am still paying the cost for having used a python library in 2013. 1567884;1479235821;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "mostly" ie, "until mp requires a definition, then it all breaks down" 1567885;1479235823;trinque;mircea_popescu: no. once I know a key I can interact with deedbot if I can make it there over gossipd peerings 1567886;1479235836;mircea_popescu;trinque s/deedbot/dns/ 1567887;1479235846;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anything pushed outside of its working envelope - breaks. 1567888;1479235880;asciilifeform;to go upstack, i see nothing wrong with 'we all agree on how arithmetic works, do business with keys, sex -- with people' 1567889;1479235888;mircea_popescu;"trilema.com is 4.5.6.7 according to mp. if you believe mp - then there you go". that's a dns record. 1567890;1479235898;mircea_popescu;even now. they try to pretend otherwise. that pretense has to have some light shed on it. 1567891;1479235921;asciilifeform;btw asciilifeform suffered with this problem in '10, and even put the notes up on www ( http://kyristor.com ) then concluded that it was braindamaged waste of time 1567892;1479235936;asciilifeform;to each -- his own name table. 1567893;1479235949;mircea_popescu;you will have to share some portions of the symbol tables. 1567894;1479235952;mircea_popescu;this is inescapable. 1567895;1479235959;mircea_popescu;once it's inescapable - it'll have to be implemented. 1567896;1479235989;asciilifeform;so you standardize the asking. it is really the basic wot operation 1567897;1479235992;mircea_popescu;we call this "dns" for historical reasons. but relations to the imperial braindamaged implementation are spurious. 1567898;1479236007;asciilifeform;does key '1F......BC' merit name of 'hero' or 'sc4mz0r', etc 1567899;1479236008;mircea_popescu;you can't standardize "the asking" ebcause the asking is made out of symbols which have to be meaningful. 1567900;1479236018;asciilifeform;so nail down the minimal 'ask'. 1567901;1479236026;asciilifeform;instead of palace economy with 1 table of names. 1567902;1479236052;mircea_popescu;really, read this rfc thing. it isn't long. where the fuck is it. 1567903;1479236054;trinque;it is not necessarily that there cannot be multiple tables, but perhaps that one must win 1567904;1479236063;asciilifeform;(see link, i narrowly missed drawing wot and whole shebang, through sheer thick-headedness ) 1567905;1479236082;asciilifeform;trinque: what, in your mind, does 'win' look like ? 1567906;1479236090;asciilifeform;if it looks like usg dns, you have lost. definitionally. 1567907;1479236090;trinque;republican structure of meaning means there is this nexus of hierarchy and debate out of which is emitted *the truth* 1567908;1479236094;asciilifeform;because such a net isn't worth using. 1567909;1479236094;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-14#1567188 1567910;1479236094;a111;Logged on 2016-11-14 19:37 mircea_popescu: and, of course, 2000s vintage imperial lulz https://archive.is/g9O6H 1567911;1479236147;mircea_popescu;trinque the words you use must have meanings. even if they have the most peculiar of meanings such as nigger = bureaucrat or jew = us agitprop agent ; nevertheless they must be given. somewhere. 1567912;1479236148;Framedragger;"A0 can be implemented by regarding an authority's PGP public key as being its public routing address!" << nice kademlia and/or gossipd vibes 1567913;1479236164;trinque;mircea_popescu: aha I can see it. 1567914;1479236168;mircea_popescu;yes, it works fine in context, yes context frames needn't even map to identities ; nevertheless - you will have to have shared symbol tables. 1567915;1479236174;asciilifeform;trinque: there is 'nexus of hierarchy' where we, e.g., study writings of mircea_popescu because they make sense and worth respect. and there is the other kind of hierarchy, where prb makes dns query using usg.glibc and internic root server is hardbaked into the code. 1567916;1479236190;asciilifeform;and amd bakes magic key into mask rom. 1567917;1479236205;trinque;so then the solution must come of "we who matter have connected to node X for the table" and could do otherwise, but don't 1567918;1479236209;trinque;as we could rate X or not 1567919;1479236215;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1567920;1479236260;mircea_popescu;the fact that my definitions of imperial terminology prevail over the empire's own definition has nothing to do with the fact that before such a prevailing can take place, those definitions must actually exist and be given. 1567921;1479236483;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's rather true. real vs conventional hierarchy. there's these girls who are slaves ; and then there's these poor but ambitious girls who wish to be slaves. all that pretense jazz. 1567922;1479236640;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567838 << in point of fact we don't must use it, i've been happy with local name table for what, half a year ? not so much a matter of this as - it's there. might as well infect and "ruin" it for teh imperial idjits. 1567923;1479236640;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 18:37 trinque is not opposed to doing something with DNS while we still must use it 1567924;1479236699;asciilifeform;y'know, usg.dns queries outsourced to archive.is box is still dns.. 1567925;1479236732;mircea_popescu;that's not how it works. i got this local key-data store ; the box can't even connect via dns port. 1567926;1479236733;asciilifeform;just like orthodox j0000z still turn on lights, run lifts, on shabbat 1567927;1479236746;asciilifeform;even if not with own hands. 1567928;1479236757;mircea_popescu;and while it pretends otherwise, it has nfi what . means and would just as happily resolve "illegal" domaions. 1567929;1479236767;Framedragger;"nexus of hierarchy" connects for me (maybe on some superficial level only) to kyristor's "The only questions A0 is qualified to answer are those for which disputes can be settled entirely through majority vote of the entire DHT network" - where the dht network 1567930;1479236768;Framedragger; could be a set of particular (and particular only) peers. in any case, there must be a shared understanding among the users/elite as to how to proceed in face of naming conflicts. 1567931;1479236790;Framedragger;is my (naive probably) understanding. 1567932;1479236798;asciilifeform;Framedragger: note that this was the laughable piece, 'majority votes', i had nfi how to cut the knot of sybil etc. 1567933;1479236818;Framedragger;aha. 1567934;1479236826;asciilifeform;Framedragger: presumed that 'nodes' would be mappable to people who knew one another in the flesh, invariably. 1567935;1479236834;asciilifeform;(a la fidonet) 1567936;1479236865;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would any of this matter ? in a discussion of "that guy" we may either load the table where he is written "shithead" or "sir", but in either case we gotta load a table for crying out loud. 1567937;1479236876;asciilifeform;(at any rate, i suspect that everyone here has a similar set of ~useless notes from last decade) 1567938;1479236883;mircea_popescu;i do not. 1567939;1479236889;mircea_popescu;i never bothered with ANY of this shit until bitcoin. 1567940;1479236898;asciilifeform;didntcha have a reddit-like thingie with wots etc ? 1567941;1479236912;asciilifeform;'sinn feinn' or what was it 1567942;1479236950;mircea_popescu;no pgp involved for instance. but sure, i guess. 1567943;1479236952;mircea_popescu;"fain" 1567944;1479236956;asciilifeform;aaah 1567945;1479236980;mircea_popescu;means "cool" in dialect transylvanian romanian. 1567946;1479237020;asciilifeform;possibly there is another way to cut the namespace thing. question is 'does this hierarchical postulate increase or decrease buluceala ?' 1567947;1479237044;asciilifeform;buluceala, i will posit, is a Bad Thing, like car wrecks on public thoroughfare, or resistive loss in electric lines. 1567948;1479237044;mircea_popescu;to get back to the fidonet/various attempts to do independent dns etc - the very naive "symbol context" = X, be x "an identity" or whatever is a liability. you gotta just let the context be its own thing. 1567949;1479237053;Framedragger;i still have a reserved name ('indra', as in reflexive "indra's net" / indrajāla) for my mega decentralized permanent content concept, baked when i was maybe 18 yo lol. in fairness, "indra's net" is a l33t name that i hope i will use some time. 1567950;1479237075;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would say the gns as discussed on trilema drastically reduces it. 1567951;1479237119;mircea_popescu;(note that for the needs of this discussion - i know because grandfather told me is a nec plus ultram of buluceala. it's how people know the earth is flat.) 1567952;1479237125;asciilifeform;how about when coca cola shows up with tank division after pepsicola registers 'coke.com' ? 1567953;1479237130;asciilifeform;also less buluceala ? 1567954;1479237151;mircea_popescu;we're discussing cognition here not fizz. 1567955;1479237187;asciilifeform;if i knew how to separate cognition and fizz, i'd be dictating terms to republic of california from dirigible fleet. 1567956;1479237214;mircea_popescu;there's exactly nothing wrong for pepsicola and his friends to discuss pepsicola by "coke.com" in their own context, and CERTAINLY coca-cola doesn't have nor can aquire some mechanism to prevent his. 1567957;1479237235;asciilifeform;in global namespace a la dns -- they gotta have tank battle 1567958;1479237236;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow i wanna call barack obama hussein bahamas, i'll call him that and he can cry me a river over it. 1567959;1479237257;mircea_popescu;similarly fatties, gender-confuzeleds and any other special or specifiable interest group. 1567960;1479237284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alternatively they could you know, just not credit THAT root and be done with it. 1567961;1479237318;mircea_popescu;i for instance don't credit the english-online-dictionaries opinions as to the meaning of english words. 1567962;1479237330;mircea_popescu;life hasn't ended, the sun still rises, trilema clearly benefits. 1567963;1479237341;asciilifeform;so now you have 10,000,001 'roots', which inevitably will happen when bahama throne falls, why not arrive at that situation ~deliberately~, rather than like (to steal from old mircea_popescu piece!) 'like teenage cowsie falls pregnant, willy-nilly' 1567964;1479237371;mircea_popescu;for the same reason "pua" is a horrible dating strategy. 1567965;1479237383;mircea_popescu;it's not deliberate in any useful sense, because some outcomes are not deliberable. 1567966;1479237428;mircea_popescu;(yes you can rape the woman instead, which is in this sense deliberate, but i daresay not the same thing) 1567967;1479237436;asciilifeform;building a throne hall when you know that the stable situation really consists of 10,001 margraves, imho is mistake. 1567968;1479237448;mircea_popescu;why ? the other margaves gotta copy SOMETHING. 1567969;1479237459;mircea_popescu;and who said they get to be margraves in the first place ? 1567970;1479237464;mircea_popescu;CAN THEY even build a hall convincingly ? 1567971;1479237473;Framedragger;so the notion of a local symbol frame/context will be retained inevitably, is that what you're saying mircea_popescu? (in which case i'd add that gns-the-implementation could even probably be used - on each interested user's machine - as a local name system. etc.) 1567972;1479237474;Framedragger;however, an agreed-by-everyone-who-matters symbol context would still be needed. (sorry if interrupting, trying to clarify for my own education.) 1567973;1479237523;*;asciilifeform favours of keeping the set of 'everyone who matters must agree on this' as small as possible (but not smaller). 1567974;1479237556;Framedragger;i guess that's a given assumption in #trilema 1567975;1479237571;*;asciilifeform bbl 1567976;1479237605;mircea_popescu;everyone-who-matters is a nonsensical reference point here. 1567977;1479237679;mircea_popescu;everyone-who-participates-in-this-conversation is the reference point. evidently, if we are talking about uh i dunno, star trek, the names have to be known and shared. spock can't be the woman with the nice ass. how does one join this conversation ? there's two options - either the usian school of "don't loo kit up - guess, fropm "context", what "it could be" or else - look it up damned it. to look it up, it has to be looked 1567978;1479237679;mircea_popescu;up SOMEWHERE. that's the gns. 1567979;1479237715;mircea_popescu;the imperial idiots implemented this as dns, which is stupid and braindamaged, but the implementation being flawed doesn't remove the fundamental reasons, which is why i say - read that damned rfc, the things i didn't mock are actually correct. 1567980;1479237747;Framedragger;right. how would the process of resolving conflicts in gns look like, though? (i'm just curious, i.e. question is well-intentioned, not troll-y) 1567981;1479237762;mircea_popescu;and from thence it all progresses - no, the place to look up needn't be "one across all the internet", because "otherwise postel thinks it'd be chaos". 1567982;1479237786;mircea_popescu;what postel thinks'd be chaos, much like what jwz thinks'd be chaos, much like clinton or whoever other of these niggers and jews thinks to be "chnaos" is actually human life. 1567983;1479237793;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what conflicts ? 1567984;1479237988;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i guess in your view, perhaps no viable conflicts would arise in gns? say, two owners of two distinct pgp keys claiming ownership of "apple.com". some kind of due process is to take place, presumably 1567985;1479238003;mircea_popescu;no dude, when apple.com was registgered it was registered to a key. 1567986;1479238010;mircea_popescu;what conflicts ? 1567987;1479238020;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima go to buy chocolate and do things, so bbl we can continue., 1567988;1479238125;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i (or someone more credible, or whoever) registers "trilema.com" under their own leigt key. what nao? 1567989;1479238146;Framedragger;will need to change places in a few min, too. 1567990;1479238224;Framedragger;unless the latter kind of situation is to be covered by your clarification, to quote, "I imagine like any serious country, we first handle the claims of the elite privately. " 1567991;1479238245;Framedragger;but then already it is not as simplistic as "whoever owns the key", no? 1567992;1479238386;Framedragger;also, http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161115/#622 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566745 but this may be an issue in semantics/definitions only, i suppose. 1567993;1479238387;a111;Logged on 2016-11-13 17:38 mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that i don't particularly see the value in restrictioning anything. in principle anyone should be able to register a domain for his bitcent - even if he puts no gpg key in there. he just won't be able to admin it, big whoop./ 1567994;1479238387;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-15: [19:26:43] no dude, when apple.com was registgered it was registered to a key. 1567995;1479238399;*;Framedragger bbl, too 1567996;1479242358;pete_dushenski;mod6: cheers :D pretty stoked to be one of the contest winrars, though /me also wonders whether saxes or yugos caught BingoBoing's fancy. 1567997;1479242598;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567990 << ethereum also 'handled claims of the elite privately'. 1567998;1479242598;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 19:30 Framedragger: unless the latter kind of situation is to be covered by your clarification, to quote, "I imagine like any serious country, we first handle the claims of the elite privately. " 1567999;1479242615;asciilifeform;it's a fundamentally zimbabwetronic thing. 1568000;1479243485;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557576 << see also. 1568001;1479243485;a111;Logged on 2016-10-21 00:48 mircea_popescu: experience shows it's perfectly fine to have a philosopher king, however utterly suicidal to have a philosopher king's throne. bolt is fine, nut will kill you. 1568002;1479243535;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The one that didn't suck got the prize so no saxes. 1568003;1479243729;BingoBoingo;In every case of multiple submissions attached to the same btc address there was a joke that was great and a lesser joke. 1568004;1479246908;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/sec-chair-mary-jo-white-leads-exodus-of-unexpired-appointees-ahead-of-trumpreich/ << Qntra - SEC Chair Mary Jo White Leads Exodus Of Unexpired Appointees Ahead Of Trumpreich 1568005;1479252018;ben_vulpes;> charmyn 1568006;1479252021;ben_vulpes;cute 1568007;1479252035;ben_vulpes;also funny 1568008;1479252072;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: re: the "ownership" of trilema, i'd like to know who you suspect would even try to register trilema.com 1568009;1479252112;ben_vulpes;good lols, yes, but the identity attached to the registration action is going to have some splainin to do 1568010;1479252120;ben_vulpes;otherwise what's wrong with first-come first served? 1568011;1479252128;mats;no shortage of trolls in here 1568012;1479252528;trinque;ben_vulpes: there's one important distinction here. the gns has a WoT identity running it. 1568013;1479252547;ben_vulpes;mhm? 1568014;1479252547;trinque;who needs blanket policy when he's free to choose and I'm free to negrate him? 1568015;1479252599;ben_vulpes;"nation of men"? 1568016;1479252603;trinque;aha 1568017;1479252625;trinque;he issues trilema to mp because mp will thump him otherwise 1568018;1479252631;trinque;and if he's unfair to elliot, grand. 1568019;1479252646;ben_vulpes;mhm. 1568020;1479252672;ben_vulpes;i for one think that names should be mined. 1568021;1479252708;ben_vulpes;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-21#1557513 1568022;1479252708;a111;Logged on 2016-10-21 00:28 ben_vulpes: the infinite to bitcoin's finite, if you will. 1568023;1479253606;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5694 1568024;1479255280;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/vilsack-attempts-to-whitewash-hussein-bahamas-rural-legacy/ << Qntra - Vilsack Attempts To Whitewash Hussein Bahamas Rural Legacy 1568025;1479255351;BingoBoingo;In other domain names https://www.greatagain.gov/ 1568026;1479255796;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1568027;1479255799;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 439106 | Current Difficulty: 2.546201873040614E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 439487 | Next Difficulty In: 381 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 10 hours, 14 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1568028;1479256281;shinohai; http://archive.is/hMBhc <<< tinder to include "fill-in-the-blank" gender option, turning it into a mad-libs of dating 1568029;1479256362;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1568014 << that's what i thought as well - i queried along the same lines: "say someone with a valid GPG key rushes to register trilema.com in the Republican DNS before yourself. I suppose that is all well and good, and you negrating the key would only be appropriate in the instance of that person 1568030;1479256362;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 23:29 trinque: who needs blanket policy when he's free to choose and I'm free to negrate him? 1568031;1479256367;Framedragger; pretending that they are MP?" 1568032;1479256398;Framedragger;and mp said "da fuck, I'm not going to support a dns system where some dork registered trilema", which confused me, so yeah, clarification needed, i think. 1568033;1479256458;Framedragger;because it would be great if WoT-gns worked like other WoT things, i.e., via the enforcement of WoT itself. 1568034;1479256466;BingoBoingo;The guiding principle of Inequality demands that the first round of registrations in a domain system must necessarily be limited to the privileged. 1568035;1479256520;BingoBoingo;http://thesouthern.com/elections/upset-trend-felt-down-ballot-in-franklin-county/article_91c4a7c0-843e-5225-b8b7-4700d5bc5ba0.html << More picturesque rural scenes 1568036;1479256541;Framedragger;first round, okay, but other rounds supposedly follow later, and the conflict case can be replicated, i would think, and hence the system supports conflicts, structurally, which need to be addressed one way or another.. dunno. 1568037;1479256549;Framedragger;bbl, sleep 1568038;1479256565;*;shinohai likes the cardinal virtue of unfairness .... 1568039;1479256632;BingoBoingo;Well if you really care about a name you prolly ought to claim it in the first round 1568040;1479258121;mircea_popescu;Framedragger fcfs, what. 1568041;1479258141;mircea_popescu;the warning's out, whoever doesn't get in the wot is playing with fire. 1568042;1479258150;mircea_popescu;been the word on the street for what, 2+ years now. 1568043;1479258484;shinohai;http://www.networkworld.com/article/3141940/open-source-tools/super-mari-owned-startling-nintendo-based-vulnerability-discovered-in-ubuntu.html <<< bwahahaha 1568044;1479258608;mircea_popescu;lmao 1568045;1479258688;mircea_popescu;i like how it's always "but nobody would do this because we already did and reasons" 1568046;1479258759;shinohai;pfffft ... I'm willing to bet there are plenty of people still running 12.04 ... could be slipped into a dirty emulator rom or somesuch 1568047;1479258843;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567990 << that's exactly what i mean. gentlemen among gentlemen and otherwise fuck the peasants. 1568048;1479258843;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 19:30 Framedragger: unless the latter kind of situation is to be covered by your clarification, to quote, "I imagine like any serious country, we first handle the claims of the elite privately. " 1568049;1479258946;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567999 << no it's not. the fact that i extend you the courtesy to not register "loper-os" at the sunrise event doesn't mean jack shit in that context. ethereum tried to change things AFTER. hardly the same thing.\ 1568050;1479258946;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 20:43 asciilifeform: it's a fundamentally zimbabwetronic thing. 1568051;1479259067;asciilifeform;not the 'elite get handled' part. the manually-cranked part. 1568052;1479259141;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry ? 1568053;1479259148;mircea_popescu;all definitions are ultimately manual. 1568054;1479259193;asciilifeform;'premining' is better analogy. 1568055;1479259241;mircea_popescu;hardly much of an analogy. 1568056;1479259252;asciilifeform;what is the motivation for 'civilians' (folx not in on the initial merry round of elite-handling) to subscribe ? 1568057;1479259257;mircea_popescu;i don't give a shit. 1568058;1479259270;mircea_popescu;i want something that works for me. if it works for others - good for them. if it doesn't, woe on them. 1568059;1479259288;asciilifeform; /etc/hosts worx for me.. 1568060;1479259293;mircea_popescu;the measure of their fitness to survive is very strictly how well things that work for me work for them. 1568061;1479259295;mircea_popescu;alrighty then! 1568062;1479259486;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568033 << i really don't see that past the "sunrise" so to call it there's any need to give a shit. i would not negrate anyone for registering "someone else's" domain after the system comes online and anyone can register whatever. i do think it's pretty idiotic to bring it online empty ; i won't support a system that tries that ; and i think the comparison with mining/premining is entirely w 1568063;1479259486;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 00:34 Framedragger: because it would be great if WoT-gns worked like other WoT things, i.e., via the enforcement of WoT itself. 1568064;1479259486;mircea_popescu;ithout substance. 1568065;1479259563;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568036 << what other rounds ? 1568066;1479259563;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 00:35 Framedragger: first round, okay, but other rounds supposedly follow later, and the conflict case can be replicated, i would think, and hence the system supports conflicts, structurally, which need to be addressed one way or another.. dunno. 1568067;1479259595;mircea_popescu;currently, you can not register a gns item. at some point X, you will become able to. thenceforth, you will be able to. that's the whole timeline. 1568068;1479259707;asciilifeform;how is the 'able to' mechanically implemented ? because it is, or at least appears to be, promisetronic 1568069;1479259750;mircea_popescu;you send "register name x type y key z" to server. if it doesn't have x, it registers it. if it has x, it registers y provided z is the key registered for x. 1568070;1479259829;asciilifeform;'register name x type y' is signed by z ? 1568071;1479259834;mircea_popescu;yes. 1568072;1479259895;asciilifeform;so far good; now say i want to ask 'what is y for this here x' 1568073;1479259911;mircea_popescu;you send a dns request, like they work now exactly. 1568074;1479259922;asciilifeform;what comes back ? 1568075;1479259929;mircea_popescu;same thing as from a dig 1568076;1479259939;asciilifeform;if it's ~exactly~ as now, then i get whatever verizon wants to substitute. 1568077;1479259952;mircea_popescu;so ask over a better protocol then, 1568078;1479259954;asciilifeform;or at&t, or whoever the fuck is upstream, zimbabwe telecom. 1568079;1479259956;mircea_popescu;dns as is is dns as is. 1568080;1479260030;asciilifeform;this is more or less an exact description of 'ask gossiptron to look up rating' except for the odd part where mircea_popescu wants it to be central or at least globally synchronized 1568081;1479260045;asciilifeform;why not instead 'i ask my wot what is y for this x, if anyone disagrees, there are problems' 1568082;1479260052;mircea_popescu;(ftr, re "does z sign", there's a beautiful tie-in for deedbot in here, because there's no reason i couldn't register straight from !!, and especially so if i have to pay something) 1568083;1479260091;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a matter of fact, not a matter of opinion. it's of the nature of ask deedbot, not of the nature of "what does the lordship think" 1568084;1479260132;asciilifeform;if this were so airtight, blockchain would not be necessary in bitcoin. 1568085;1479260146;mircea_popescu;central server(s). 1568086;1479260227;asciilifeform;i.e. usg.dns but with new arse(s) in throne ? 1568087;1479260581;asciilifeform;by this logic, why not also make tmsr ntp ? 1568088;1479260600;asciilifeform;... or even throw out bitcoin and replace with 'tmsr central bank', on server in mircea_popescu's martian dome. 1568089;1479260615;asciilifeform;possibly i am thick but i see same exact problem with all 3. 1568090;1479260884;mircea_popescu;i don't know what "this logic" is. you are currently using dns, yes ? 1568091;1479260897;mircea_popescu;"by this logic, why not also use windows". 1568092;1479260899;mircea_popescu;wtf. 1568093;1479261196;mircea_popescu;"People think that Web browsers are elegant computation platforms, and Web pages are light, fluffy things that you can edit in Notepad as you trade ironic comments with your friends in the coffee shop. Nothing could be further from the truth." << actually... that's exactly how it goes for me. and i mean that literally - i write straight html while hurr durring with teh girlz. 1568094;1479261915;asciilifeform;cannot speak for others, but i would like to use ~less~ dns and other centralized simon-says, not ~more~. 1568095;1479261934;mircea_popescu;what you'd like doesn't enter into this. you'll use the dictionary whether you like to or not. 1568096;1479261982;asciilifeform;copy the structure of the empire -- become the empire. 1568097;1479262012;mircea_popescu;yes, except dictionaries aren't the structure of the empire. they're the structure of thought. 1568098;1479262070;asciilifeform;they are also reasonably static. 1568099;1479262093;mircea_popescu;this is a debatable point. they are however fixed in context ; much like symbol tables for a running program say. 1568100;1479262098;asciilifeform;(not speaking of marvels like 'the big soviet encyclopaedia', which famously in '30s had 'updates' mailed in to subscribers, complete with razor blade to cut out undesirables) 1568101;1479262183;*;asciilifeform in whole life has only ever owned one encyclopaedia, 'britannica 1958', fished out of a skip as a boy, and incidentally it was the longest edition they made -- after that, only cuts. and the thing is surprisingly useful. 1568102;1479262283;asciilifeform;back upstack: i'm not convinced that 'the structure of thought' and 'updated regularly by remote hands' go together. 1568103;1479262286;mircea_popescu;you don't own a ru dictionary ? 1568104;1479262295;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not any moar sadly. 1568105;1479262326;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your objection would be that if i one day decide to move trilema from ip x to ip y i thereby am confusing your thought process unduly ? 1568106;1479262340;mircea_popescu;trilema fucking exists as my act of will, wherever i say it is that's where it is. of course they go together. 1568107;1479262382;asciilifeform;though i ~have~ considered purchasing 'big soviet e.' in dead tree... 1568108;1479262464;asciilifeform;trilema yes. 1568109;1479262500;asciilifeform;but 'central servers' implies that i might also rely on mircea_popescu to say where, e.g., ben_vulpes's site, lives 1568110;1479262638;asciilifeform;system where i gotta ask mircea_popescu where lives trilema, but if looking for www of ben_vulpes, must ask ben_vulpes -- i have 0 quarrel with. 1568111;1479264561;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568043 << link moar LIBRARIES!1111 1568112;1479264561;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 01:08 shinohai: http://www.networkworld.com/article/3141940/open-source-tools/super-mari-owned-startling-nintendo-based-vulnerability-discovered-in-ubuntu.html <<< bwahahaha 1568113;1479264648;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568025 << and holy fuck, is it just me or does 'change.gov' no longer resolve ?! 1568114;1479264648;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 00:15 BingoBoingo: In other domain names https://www.greatagain.gov/ 1568115;1479264694;asciilifeform;^^qntra..? 1568116;1479264869;asciilifeform;'What’s more, exploit code requires an attacker to program in the arcane 6502 language designed for the NES processor, relying on the way the virtualized 6502 processor translates this code to deliver malicious instructions.' << cpu produced in greatest number in all of history of semiconductor --- 'arcane' ?! 1568117;1479264880;asciilifeform;i have 3 right on this desk 1568118;1479264885;asciilifeform;and i am not even mega-aficionado. 1568119;1479264962;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rhuth/?raw=true << complete emulator. 1568120;1479264974;asciilifeform;~1k lines. 1568121;1479264987;asciilifeform;(and ~cycle-accurate~. would be shorter if not.) 1568122;1479264998;asciilifeform;posted here for illustrative purposes. 1568123;1479265034;trinque;nope, no moar change.gov 1568124;1479265044;asciilifeform;rot in peace 1568125;1479265062;asciilifeform;and to think, obummer is still on the throne even. 1568126;1479265069;asciilifeform;but no moar hoap, change. 1568127;1479265104;asciilifeform;can anyone shed light on the precise moment of death ? 1568128;1479265409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what if you gotta ask deedbot ? 1568129;1479265439;mircea_popescu;you are currently asking deedbot "where to send this repuiblican tax again ?" 1568130;1479265507;asciilifeform;deedbot is bitcoin-anchored, neh ? 1568131;1479265511;mircea_popescu;so ? 1568132;1479265516;mircea_popescu;none of that conflicts with any of this. 1568133;1479265536;mircea_popescu;;; ANSWER SECTION: change.org. 2446 IN A 104.16.5.13 change.org. 2446 IN A 104.16.4.13 ftr. 1568134;1479265592;asciilifeform;i get, ftr, same EGGOG as if i ask for tmsr.gov. 1568135;1479265639;mircea_popescu;added 2009-7-26 last updated 2016-6-19 1568136;1479265650;asciilifeform;odd. 1568137;1479265679;mircea_popescu;rua=amonzur@change.org if anyone cares. 1568138;1479265753;asciilifeform;whois.icann.org claims to have never heard of it now.. 1568139;1479265761;asciilifeform;(it sees 'greatagain.gov' just fine) 1568140;1479265801;asciilifeform;i dun think mail to that addr will deliver any moar. 1568141;1479265808;mircea_popescu;:p 1568142;1479265816;asciilifeform;the death must be recent, working its way down the pyramid 1568143;1479265821;asciilifeform;perhaps only hours ago. 1568144;1479265861;asciilifeform;~change.org~ resolves 1568145;1479265881;mircea_popescu; change.gov was never a thing afaik 1568146;1479265895;asciilifeform;!!google change.gov 1568147;1479265896;deedbot;http://change.gov/jobs/apply_app/ << Presidential Appointments Application | Change.gov: The Obama ... | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidential_transition_of_Barack_Obama << Presidential transition of Barack Obama - Wikipedia | http://change.gov/agenda/civil_rights_agenda/ << Civil Rights | Change.gov: The Obama-Biden Transition Team 1568148;1479265899;asciilifeform;was too. 1568149;1479265902;mircea_popescu;aok 1568150;1479265938;mircea_popescu;well nomoar obama jerbs so. 1568151;1479265940;asciilifeform;at least as late as the 2nd of this month, was alive. 1568152;1479266565;mircea_popescu;anyway, re-reading this dns thing, i'm not even sure what the objections are. i'm getting a morass of "why shouldn't all the things be made out of lead since lead works well for pencils" + vague extremisms trying to confuse a clear boundry (x didn't exist ; x exists) with random other things. 1568153;1479266747;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for asciilifeform's enlightenment, describe plox why coin should not be made of the same 'lead' (simple scheme -- there are N coins at 'sunrise', and, e.g., mircea_popescu can move coin no. 1,555 to ben_vulpes by signing 'coin 1,555 now belongs to [key of ben_vulpes] at time T' etc 1568154;1479266754;asciilifeform;) 1568155;1479266785;mircea_popescu;this is ~how it works. 1568156;1479266809;asciilifeform;well not quite, there are the other annoying details of blockchain and mining. 1568157;1479266817;mircea_popescu;sure. 1568158;1479266891;mircea_popescu;why money should be p2p and dictionaries printed should be self-obvious, however. 1568159;1479266903;asciilifeform;dictionaries don't remote-update. 1568160;1479266908;asciilifeform;at least mine didn't. 1568161;1479266927;mircea_popescu;when you bought the next installment of whatever comic you read as a boy, 1568162;1479266931;mircea_popescu;your dictionary remote-updated. 1568163;1479266943;asciilifeform;now if i had read comic as a boy, i might grasp this. 1568164;1479266971;mircea_popescu;fine. when the ukrainians decided to be a nation, your dictionary also remote-updated. 1568165;1479266985;mircea_popescu;you decided to stay on the old branch, which is fine, but also unrelated. 1568166;1479267000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is genius salesman, does he know 1568167;1479267015;asciilifeform;'buy this vacuum, hose is the same one you were beaten to near death with in the police precinct last year' 1568168;1479267016;mircea_popescu;ironically, i am so intolerant i actually cross over into salesmanship. 1568169;1479267022;mircea_popescu;this is one of those chtulhu things 1568170;1479267088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just because police sometimes beats people up with vacuum hose does not mean vacuums hoses should be banned. we're not french fucking bulldogs, what sort of dogreasoning is this. 1568171;1479267112;asciilifeform;lel who said 'banned'. 1568172;1479267121;mircea_popescu;well so then ? 1568173;1479267137;asciilifeform;just that it is not the most brilliant neutral selling point for asciilifeform in particular, that's all. 1568174;1479267144;mircea_popescu;that i can see. 1568175;1479267254;asciilifeform;i do not necessarily go with 'EVERYTHING must be made of blockchaintronium!111' thing. (if you recall this was actually subj of 1st conversation between mircea_popescu & asciilifeform , on the former's www, back in the day...) but i also dun see why to create a 'throne' if there is a simple means of not creating a throne and solving the problem. 1568176;1479267275;mircea_popescu;but there isn't ; and what's worse, there necessarily can not be. 1568177;1479267310;asciilifeform;was, e.g., 'namecoin', fatally broken in some algorithmic way ? 1568178;1479267313;asciilifeform;(vs simple neglect) 1568179;1479267320;mircea_popescu;yes. 1568180;1479267324;asciilifeform;remind me, how 1568181;1479267325;mircea_popescu;which is why we never adopted it. 1568182;1479267344;asciilifeform;(iirc it was hammered to death altcoin-style..?) 1568183;1479267358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think for a second : the reason delegation exists is because a) people are idiots and b) the lists get long. in that order. 1568184;1479267380;mircea_popescu;now imagine if instead of splitting it up via delegation, you simply made the problem exponentially worse by introducing a gossip layer in there. 1568185;1479267384;mircea_popescu;which is ~what namecheap was. 1568186;1479267396;asciilifeform;namecheap?! 1568187;1479267401;mircea_popescu;im sory namecoin 1568188;1479267405;asciilifeform;ah 1568189;1479267421;asciilifeform;why not, say, standard bitcoin + 'telegraph' 1568190;1479267431;mircea_popescu;last thing you fucking need is for every dns root server to have to talk to EVERY ONE for (total domain data) ^ 1/2's worth 1568191;1479267465;asciilifeform;nah, don't need to 'talk to each one' specially, just look in your blocksxxx.dat for all sends to 1FuCkGoAtS..... and decode the payload. 1568192;1479267471;mircea_popescu;and not btc + "telegraph" for the same reason - horribru data exchange profile. 1568193;1479267480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, because updates. 1568194;1479267505;asciilifeform;updates happen as the blox come in, neh? 1568195;1479267530;mircea_popescu;finding out where trilema.com should point just became o(blocks) 1568196;1479267531;asciilifeform;inner transport layer can be same as what mircea_popescu described earlier, 'x y z' 1568197;1479267544;mircea_popescu;then if it is, whole thing should just be central server. 1568198;1479267546;asciilifeform;it isn't O(blocks), it's O(blocks i haven't seen yet) 1568199;1479267556;asciilifeform;you maintain local cache. 1568200;1479267559;mircea_popescu;client doesn't hold the whole fucking dns db holy shit. 1568201;1479267578;asciilifeform;eh even usg's db is what, 300M ? 1568202;1479267588;mircea_popescu;"fuck you mp, i hate what i deem thrones so much, you now can't do name resolution on anything without a tb hdd!" 1568203;1479267631;asciilifeform;btw here's an exercise, tally up the mass of all of the code on your linux box that is needed to get it to where it can query dns as we knew it 1568204;1479267633;mircea_popescu;and no, with trims it's well into the tb range. 1568205;1479267661;asciilifeform;also i have nfi re mircea_popescu but my /etc/hosts is not anywhere near 300kB much less mB. 1568206;1479267674;mircea_popescu;there's iirc ~300 mn DOMAIN NAMES. 1568207;1479267680;mircea_popescu;averaging w/e, half a dozen records each 1568208;1479267708;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a spurious objection, you'd still have to hold the whole blockchain to avoid o(blocks) in your insane anti-model. 1568209;1479267714;asciilifeform;how many belong to anything you might ever wish to speak to. 1568210;1479267721;mircea_popescu;you can't know in advance. 1568211;1479267731;mircea_popescu;wtf, "here's the two pages of the dictionary we estimate you may ever need" 1568212;1479267742;asciilifeform;also who the hell isn't a) already holding whole blockchain or b) connected to reliable and trusted box that IS 1568213;1479267754;mircea_popescu;because fuck you, that's why. 1568214;1479267777;asciilifeform;'this house has a toilet' 'i'ma shit in this chair' 'waaai' 'fuck you that's why' ..? 1568215;1479267785;mircea_popescu;hey. dns is dns. 1568216;1479267870;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Mebbe a roundup, it's just the empire's dns bookkeeping 1568217;1479268012;BingoBoingo; remind me, how << Blockchain bloats to death, merge mined with Bitcoin so little incentive for miners to include any data... the reasons go on-anon 1568218;1479268426;BingoBoingo;So who is applying to the Trump Transition team as TMSR ambassador? 1568219;1479268438;mircea_popescu;you ? 1568220;1479268439;*;BingoBoingo nominates pete_dushenski 1568221;1479268443;asciilifeform;why not BingoBoingo ^ 1568222;1479268460;mircea_popescu;they take foreign immigrant mexican latinos ?! 1568223;1479268469;BingoBoingo;I am applying to position of making grass green again! 1568224;1479268475;asciilifeform;also asciilifeform's pet will be applying 1568225;1479268483;asciilifeform;(why, i have nfi, imho nuttery) 1568226;1479268510;mircea_popescu;why shouldn't she ? 1568227;1479268512;asciilifeform;also ben_vulpes probably could but he has 'real job' 1568228;1479268612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 0 good reason. (doesn't strike me as ideal work for extreme introvert folk who leave the house every month at best, but what do i know) 1568229;1479268623;mircea_popescu;bwahaha i just for the first time read about the whole javascript native prototype reset thing. Number.prototype.valueOf = function(){return 42;} srsly ? 1568230;1479268644;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe she's looking to start a new life as grabee. 1568231;1479268650;asciilifeform;it must've been a 'fortran can and we can too!1111' sort of thing 1568232;1479268660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel, was what i said 1568233;1479268689;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but if you get to inject code into any of these shits, the whole shebang where they get imported collapses. say you hijack google's tracking bs and put a sprinkling of that in there. 1568234;1479268695;mircea_popescu;hello end of shit-web. 1568235;1479268722;asciilifeform;well yes, you can set 2=1 etc 1568236;1479268748;mircea_popescu;lol DEFENSIVE SEMICOLON 1568237;1479268752;mircea_popescu;o god this paid off. 1568238;1479268752;asciilifeform;(incidentally js is 'expressive' enough to... 'rowhammer'. so why settle for small change, burn entire box) 1568239;1479268980;BingoBoingo;"Under Secretary of Agriculture for Research, Education, and Economics" << Is this pretentious enough title for a lord infiltrating the Great Again to apply for or should I just go Secretary of Agriculture? 1568240;1479269021;mircea_popescu;why not something actually appropriate ? TMSR envoy, something RSA, whatevs 1568241;1479269024;asciilifeform;if mr.t hires a d00d for this post who had ever actually agricultured, i for one will be mega-disappoint. 1568242;1479269277;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Because that seems like a job for a Canadian and we are down to one of those. 1568243;1479269430;mircea_popescu;!!up yale 1568244;1479269431;deedbot;yale voiced for 30 minutes. 1568245;1479269583;BingoBoingo;Anyways if I am in the USDA maybe I can advance the cause of complete bermudagrass eradication? 1568246;1479269831;mircea_popescu;why not do something that makes sense ? 1568247;1479269889;BingoBoingo;Because still the evil empire. 1568248;1479269921;*;BingoBoingo will think on this 1568249;1479270078;mircea_popescu;welll... you're living in it... 1568250;1479270171;BingoBoingo;I guess I am. 1568251;1479270197;BingoBoingo;Holy shit I'm already an elder statesman of the Republic! 1568252;1479270396;BingoBoingo;Eh, I might as well. 1568253;1479270557;trinque;did I miss trump putting an add on craigslist or something? 1568254;1479270559;trinque;*ad 1568255;1479270604;asciilifeform;trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-15#1567700 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568025 1568256;1479270604;a111;Logged on 2016-11-15 16:59 asciilifeform: speaking of public amusement, word is that ~all~ 3,000 or so obummer 'staffers' are quitting. and now being replaced. 1568257;1479270604;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 00:15 BingoBoingo: In other domain names https://www.greatagain.gov/ 1568258;1479270673;BingoBoingo;"Please describe why you hope to be a part of the President Elect's administration:" << my answer "Through working my program with my sponsor I believe I am ready to let go, let God, and offer myself completely to the work of summoning The Great Again." 1568259;1479270712;trinque;he shouldn't need that many people to turn off lights and lock doors. 1568260;1479270727;*;BingoBoingo figures what's the worst that could happen. It's been a few years since the FBI knocked on my door. 1568261;1479270727;mod6;haha 1568262;1479270752;mircea_popescu;trinque there's that many for the ~same reason highschool dorks move in packs. WHAT IF A GIRL SAYS SOMETHING 1568263;1479270757;mircea_popescu;need each other for moral support. 1568264;1479270817;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo if nothing else they might send valium. 1568265;1479270819;trinque;lol 1568266;1479270834;trinque;"I'm gonna go talk to Merkel. I'm gonna do it." 1568267;1479270869;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Valium is bad for my spiritual condition. 1568268;1479270875;mircea_popescu;well trump doesn't have the obamaproblem. for one thing - grabbing. for the other, he has some practice with "on your back, mel" 1568269;1479270935;mircea_popescu;incidentally, how many fellows here present have discovered the wonder of the sixty degree fuck ? 1568270;1479271017;asciilifeform;which one 1568271;1479271018;*;trinque can think of two 1568272;1479271037;asciilifeform;60 fits into 360 more even than 2x 1568273;1479271067;trinque;yeah but two I find interesting! 1568274;1479271100;asciilifeform;(and degrees between what, nose and toe? whose ?) 1568275;1479271107;mircea_popescu;you know, when woman (that's a) sufficiently toned and b) sufficently meaty, esp on ass and thighs) spreads her legs 60° with knees straight. so you can momentum-fuck her. 1568276;1479271228;asciilifeform;this may need illustration 1568277;1479271256;mircea_popescu;no ready way to illustrate sadly. 1568278;1479271257;mod6;haha 1568279;1479271258;trinque;this plus arms held back, chick across side of bed or other surface 1568280;1479271274;asciilifeform;trinque: for some reason i pictured -- vertical 1568281;1479271276;mircea_popescu;but in general she acts as resonator. 1568282;1479271285;mircea_popescu;nono she's on her back. 1568283;1479271337;asciilifeform;(i've picture mircea_popescu & co. on circus trapeze ever since his tale of the semicircular loop thing) 1568284;1479271344;mircea_popescu;lol! 1568285;1479271379;mircea_popescu;no, as her thighs and pubic muscles lock she produces this assemblage which resonates somewhere around 1.3-1.7hz 1568286;1479271413;mircea_popescu;depends on weight. if she's too light it runs away far above what you can touch ; if more fat than a 2-3% or so it dampens. 1568287;1479271421;mircea_popescu;but there's a sweet spot, and boy is it sweet. 1568288;1479271928;ben_vulpes;legs parallel to bed or at an angle from that as well? 1568289;1479271959;mircea_popescu;peeerpendicular even 1568290;1479271987;*;mircea_popescu retrospectively realises he's made a pretty shitty description. 1568291;1479272037;mircea_popescu;also bbl. 1568292;1479272112;ben_vulpes;i thought this was kindergarten fuckatronix 1568293;1479272167;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568227 << slander 1568294;1479272167;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 03:55 asciilifeform: also ben_vulpes probably could but he has 'real job' 1568295;1479272195;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: What are you applying for? 1568296;1479272216;ben_vulpes;diddly squat. 1568297;1479272270;ben_vulpes;devil will have to get off his arse and make me an offer for my time. 1568298;1479272304;ben_vulpes;see http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-27#1073374 1568299;1479272304;a111;Logged on 2015-03-27 00:32 mircea_popescu: but that aside, it all boils down to the ancient (here and iirc on trilema too) "what's the devil have to pay you to love him" thing. 1568300;1479272413;ben_vulpes;this 'real job' slander has me ALL RILED 1568301;1479273147;BingoBoingo;Ok my application to join the Trumpreich has been submitted. 1568302;1479273320;ben_vulpes;trumpenreich has such a better sound to it 1568303;1479273322;*;ben_vulpes off 1568304;1479274938;BingoBoingo;Anyways the Trumpreich application allows selecting for multiple positions and departments. 1568305;1479279341;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2016/11/lost-penis-pannus/ 1568306;1479280061;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/34vqO << steve bannon, trumpreich's newly appointed 'chief strategist', back in 2014 describing the rise of centre-right populism in the west. looks like bannon's veeery xtian and therefore foresees all-out global war between islam and judeo-xtian west, a war he's all too adamant in cautioning the complacent europeans against taking too lightly. 1568307;1479280175;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/E7s4j << in other nooz, your android cell phone may be routinely sending all your txt msgs to EVIL CHINESE SERVERS. 1568308;1479280244;pete_dushenski;but now that shillary lost and trumpreich reigneth, the bad guy is west, not east. so bank on more such EVIL CHINESE THINGS coming to light in the not-too-distant future. 1568309;1479280552;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: ty for the nomination. other than wear very sharp suits, know which fork to use at which dinner course, have had tremendous orthodontics, be able to pull up to a reception in a wide variety of long-wheelbase luxury sedans, be able to hold a conversation with most any iyi regardless of background, what all's entailed ? 1568310;1479280615;pete_dushenski;(ftr 'iyi' is talebism - http://archive.is/dllGv) 1568311;1479283240;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: oh wait possibly legs rotating in hip sockets in a coplanar fashion? 1568312;1479283464;ben_vulpes;> Kryptowire was jumpstarted by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS S&T) 1568313;1479283509;ben_vulpes;those nasty out-of-country hardware providers selling on amazon and etc are being so naughty 1568314;1479288331;Framedragger;mornin' 1568315;1479288367;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568065 << i guess http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568062 explains it - there are no 'other rounds'. before-sunrise, and after-sunrise only. 1568316;1479288367;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 01:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568036 << what other rounds ? 1568317;1479288367;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 01:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568033 << i really don't see that past the "sunrise" so to call it there's any need to give a shit. i would not negrate anyone for registering "someone else's" domain after the system comes online and anyone can register whatever. i do think it's pretty idiotic to bring it online empty ; i won't support a system that tries that ; and i think the comparison with mining/premining is entirely w 1568318;1479288393;Framedragger;so the conflict thing is, i suppose, in principle settled in my mind. 1568319;1479289056;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568229 << ikr - and yes any downloaded-from-google-and-imported lib can do this... 1568320;1479289056;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 03:57 mircea_popescu: bwahaha i just for the first time read about the whole javascript native prototype reset thing. Number.prototype.valueOf = function(){return 42;} srsly ? 1568321;1479289098;Framedragger;i also liked the part where if javascript is given a file and it doesn't recognize if it's a js file, it'll just try to eval it, for good measure, in case it is js. 1568322;1479301468;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568292 << yes well, i make no claim to have invented a new kind of cunt. still using the same one everyone else uses, over here. 1568323;1479301468;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 04:55 ben_vulpes: i thought this was kindergarten fuckatronix 1568324;1479301594;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568306 << this is rank nonsense. westian womenz wanna be fucked ; arab runts want to fuck em ; western men want to watch the whole thing on hbo / maaaaybe film it on their phone if there's beer and not too bad traffic. 1568325;1479301594;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 07:07 pete_dushenski: http://archive.is/34vqO << steve bannon, trumpreich's newly appointed 'chief strategist', back in 2014 describing the rise of centre-right populism in the west. looks like bannon's veeery xtian and therefore foresees all-out global war between islam and judeo-xtian west, a war he's all too adamant in cautioning the complacent europeans against taking too lightly. 1568326;1479301600;mircea_popescu;match made in heaven, there'll be no war. 1568327;1479301651;mircea_popescu;"oh no mp, you got it all wrong" "sure, sure. tell me you'd crack the skull of some dude fucking your friendzone. right now." "uh." "then sit down." 1568328;1479301788;mircea_popescu;islam has won the fitness race ; chiefly because the "swj" replacement for "fundamentalist christian" is SO FUCKING UNFIT, even islam has a chance. as well as gasteropodes and other dead branches that forgot to die out. 1568329;1479301934;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568310 << and yet he writes on medium. the mind boggles. 1568330;1479301934;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 07:16 pete_dushenski: (ftr 'iyi' is talebism - http://archive.is/dllGv) 1568331;1479303208;mircea_popescu;that said, pretty great article. 1568332;1479303858;Framedragger;already sent to some 'trump is evil' friends 1568333;1479303886;mircea_popescu;i'm pretty impressed at how well it goes with http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-wont-fucking-yield/ 1568334;1479303952;mircea_popescu;almost as if we shared talking points on a napkin. which we haven't, but there it is. the iyi/jews in question'd be excused if they thought "massive right wing conspiracy", because hey. 1568335;1479303959;mircea_popescu;HOW ELSE could you POSSIBLY get such coherence!!1 1568336;1479305595;mircea_popescu;and since taleb's twitter is full of "simpson's paradox", let's add it to the record. it is universally the case that low birth weight is a predictor of infant mortality. this has been observed across centuries and across cultures/geographies. even if the exact value that contitutes "low birth weight" varies, the effects of the classification are ubiquitous. 1568337;1479305652;mircea_popescu;once people become interested in smoking, it was observed that smoking mothers' babies of normal weight fare no better or worse than the general population ; whereas smoking mothers' babies of low weigh fare ~significantly~ better than the general population (of low birth weight babies). 1568338;1479305672;mircea_popescu;on the basis of this much statistics, one could conclude (wrongly) that smoking in the mother is protective for the neonate. 1568339;1479305697;mircea_popescu;however, ignoring the distinction, one can also make the observation that children born to smoking mothers fare significantly worse than the general population. 1568340;1479305759;mircea_popescu;the reason for this apparent paradox ("how can kids do ok in A and better in B yet still do worse in A+B ?!) is that smoking CAUSES low birth weight ; but there are also other causes of low birth weight which also have a much more severe impact on life/survival expectancy than smoking. 1568341;1479305838;mircea_popescu;because low weight babies have much poorer prospects than normal babies, and because smoking mothers cause a significant migration of their babies from normal to low weight, they "drown out" the other causes, getting apparent "better" prognosis (hey, the kid's not afflicted by trisomy with a 90% death before puberty prognosis ; but merely by smoking mom, with a 1% death before puberty prognosis) 1568342;1479305970;mircea_popescu;and as taleb correctly points out, the jews' misunderstanding of this fundamental point is what drives a lot of their inept policy. such as you know, "how to make ghetos better ? BANKRUPT MIDDLE CLASS WHITE PEOPLE!!! then they'll move in the gheto and smoking mothers are protective for the baby!" 1568343;1479306037;mircea_popescu;also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning. 1568344;1479306493;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568342 << why not the parsimonious hypothesis -- they do it for the easy moneyz, bankrupt the idiot 'goys', not as if they were people etc 1568345;1479306493;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 14:19 mircea_popescu: and as taleb correctly points out, the jews' misunderstanding of this fundamental point is what drives a lot of their inept policy. such as you know, "how to make ghetos better ? BANKRUPT MIDDLE CLASS WHITE PEOPLE!!! then they'll move in the gheto and smoking mothers are protective for the baby!" 1568346;1479306527;asciilifeform;why does a flea drink blood. 1568347;1479306540;mircea_popescu;i think parsimonious hypothesis here is they stupid 1568348;1479306569;asciilifeform;flea ain't esp. clever either. but he knows how to flea. 1568349;1479306601;mircea_popescu;note that it's not "why does flea drink blood", it's "why does mosquito female eschew nectar diet which WOULD allow it to deliver eggs that are viable ; and instead risk its life trying to suck blood out of people, which results in 100% mortality in plenty of cases". 1568350;1479306618;mircea_popescu;and the conclusion "because it's fucking dumb" is perfectly reasonable. 1568351;1479306647;mircea_popescu;that its mechanisms "think" bloodsucking pays has no bearings whatsoever on the reality of the matter. as it happens - it doesn't pay. 1568352;1479306682;asciilifeform;spam also dun pay 1568353;1479306691;mircea_popescu;and mosquitoes are very good exemplars for jews in this discussion - it has been my long held view they must be exterminated, as a species, permanently, as a minimal requirement of calling the human species civilised. and they ARE being exterminated. we will die in a world with no mosquitoes. 1568354;1479306692;asciilifeform;yet it lives. 1568355;1479306709;mircea_popescu;it dun live like it used to, alfie. 1568356;1479306741;asciilifeform;maybe after this hellhole i live in is finally thermonuked 1568357;1479306788;mircea_popescu;if it takes glassing washington, i'm in line to press the button. 1568358;1479306881;asciilifeform;re the smoke babies, there was another well-known instance of the effect -- the incident with the steel helmet of ww1 britain 1568359;1479306930;mircea_popescu;it's ubiquitous, really. kind-of why "segmentation" is so beloved by the garglers of my week-old cum (who prefer to call themselves "web analytics experts"). 1568360;1479306961;asciilifeform;( their introduction led to massive apparent increase in brain injury. which was really reduction in concussion deaths... ) 1568361;1479306968;mircea_popescu;aha.\ 1568362;1479306978;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m63cg/?raw=true 1568363;1479306978;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1568364;1479307044;mircea_popescu;amateur statisticians (such as i dunno, horse bettors, fantasy league players etc) constantly run into this problem where an entity outperforms another two years running but not the two years together. 1568365;1479307090;mircea_popescu;it's really not that far removed from human experience as to excuse ignorance. except of course the idle are idle, not as a label but as a thing, and so never encountered anything in their life. 1568366;1479307196;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/muHDu << j000z double down 1568367;1479307226;mircea_popescu;i'm satisfied by now they're actually bereft of language/thinking skills, so they'll simply carry on being jews until we gut them. 1568368;1479307287;mircea_popescu;(in the case of the global warming scam - the whole moneygrubbing angle is particularly defensible. sure, the jews themselves may be stupid. but the people who benefit from this particular fraud aren't generally.) 1568369;1479308146;mircea_popescu;and in other heights of improbability, http://68.media.tumblr.com/af7b548abd183d84bd67d503a2da6a79/tumblr_mrjaeyFe2N1ria8qho1_1280.jpg 1568370;1479309517;phf;huh, there's a protest outside my window 1568371;1479309545;phf;literally all the usual suspects 1568372;1479309942;shinohai;Pour boiling oil on them phf 1568373;1479309974;Framedragger;'GO TO WORK' 1568374;1479310004;phf;well, it's 50 people, but, there's at least two police cars on each intersection coming up and a helicopter 1568375;1479310094;phf;specifically i can count 8 cop cars just oustide my window, 2 umarked cars with blinkers, sirens from elsewhere, an EMS car in the distance, and a helicopter somewhere very nearby 1568376;1479310138;phf;there's some irony in the current chant being "no more hate" 1568377;1479310204;asciilifeform;Framedragger: they ~are~ at 'work', herr soros is payin' 1568378;1479310252;asciilifeform;(though apparently only herders are paid, i showed up to one of these, 0 pay was offered) 1568379;1479310521;Framedragger;:( 1568380;1479311091;mircea_popescu;so just about more cops than "protesters" 1568381;1479311985;mircea_popescu;in everyday lulz, http://archive.is/sOYhZ 1568382;1479312311;mircea_popescu;also perhaps of interest in some circles, apparently there's such a thing as https://sovietmen.wordpress.com/2016/09/17/tiziana-catone/ 1568383;1479312955;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/viabtc-enters-contract-mining-scamspace/ << Qntra - ViaBTC Enters Contract Mining Scamspace 1568384;1479313048;mod6;mornin' 1568385;1479313061;shinohai;heya mod6 1568386;1479313268;mod6;how goes today? 1568387;1479313405;shinohai;not bad here u 1568388;1479313417;mod6;nb 1568389;1479313564;Framedragger;curious: when looking at dns round robin, i found out that some nameservers - of those who do round robin, i.e. permuting list of say dns A records - sometimes do not shuffle them around, if dig'd in quick succession. 1568390;1479313578;Framedragger;can this be used to approximate the frequency of dns requests to that nameserver? :p 1568391;1479313678;Framedragger;the working assumption would be that if necessary does permute, it will necessarily set a new order for each request to follow. dangerous assumption, sure. 1568392;1479313761;trinque;sounds like it calls for reading some DNS server code. 1568393;1479313782;Framedragger;and here i thought i could exploit other people's knowledge :p 1568394;1479313782;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/WdGO3 << Farmers having some fertilizer run off bad. Nutcases intentionally dumping fertilizer into the ocean good. 1568395;1479313784;Framedragger;yes indeed.. 1568396;1479313809;Framedragger;s/necessary// ^ 1568397;1479314136;trinque;Framedragger: https://source.isc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bind9.git;a=blob_plain;f=bin/named/lwdgrbn.c;hb=38cc2d14e218e536e0102fa70deef99461354232 << this looks to be where roundrobin is handled in bind's named. 1568398;1479314143;mircea_popescu;by and large extant dns is a large pile of dried crap 1568399;1479314174;asciilifeform;it needs only two things, petrol, and match. 1568400;1479314247;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: oh you can't even imagine how many 'additional' data fields domain needs to be actually usable by current dns clients. everything from start of authority to multiple TTLs etc. and that's the saner part of things... 1568401;1479314258;Framedragger;trinque: thank you! will check. 1568402;1479314267;trinque;bring your gas mask 1568403;1479314272;Framedragger;yeah.... 1568404;1479314335;mircea_popescu;why does everyone just assume i don't know what i'm talking about. just because i sound like a clueless grandfather doesn't mean i am one omygerd. 1568405;1479314396;Framedragger;array resizing and network code all in one place. no wonder buffer exploitation bugs aplenty 1568406;1479314402;BingoBoingo;How sure are you that you aren't a grandfather, at least biologically... 1568407;1479314419;Framedragger;BingoBoingo exactly 1568408;1479314430;mircea_popescu;heh 1568409;1479314482;*;BingoBoingo guesses about 70-80% confident 1568410;1479314614;BingoBoingo;In other OMG look at the butthurt that some dude is dating a 50 year old woman https://archive.is/xzuuc 1568411;1479314690;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is tony bennett ? 1568412;1479314722;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sorta a poor man's Sinatra. Vegas singer 1568413;1479314728;mircea_popescu;mmkay. 1568414;1479314760;mircea_popescu;and what the fuck is the problem again ? these people never heard of whore dynasties ? 1568415;1479314799;*;mircea_popescu has ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS had young women introduced by old friends with the equivalent of "and this is my daughter. she's old enough now." 1568416;1479314830;Framedragger;(..and of course bind has at least one "basically completely undocumented" config option, "order random_1", which modifies the round robin process, or the eventual reply. "didn't you get the memo, peter?") 1568417;1479314859;BingoBoingo;But seriously, the butthurt "Y u no interested in 90 year old women!" 1568418;1479314872;mircea_popescu;who the fuck asked them anything bejaysus 1568419;1479314898;mircea_popescu;"i want my peas not to touch!!!1" "if i turn around and there's any peas on the fucking plate they'll touch your rectum directly." 1568420;1479315019;mircea_popescu;"traitor to your generation" ? holy shit. 1568421;1479315058;mircea_popescu;and heather schwedel is, predictably, a woman that obviously never worked out. 1568422;1479315137;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/vTBRH << back in 2009, ie 30lbs ago. 1568423;1479315185;asciilifeform;who the hell is that 1568424;1479315195;asciilifeform;since when do briquets for oven have names. 1568425;1479315197;mircea_popescu;random nobody from the slate jewish tribe. 1568426;1479315200;BingoBoingo;2016-2009=7, so more probably 70-90 pounds ago 1568427;1479315212;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo hard to fatten well on journalism diet of ramen. 1568428;1479315240;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the land of poverty syrop, marvels are possible 1568429;1479315245;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You haven't seen how cheaply walmart sells "cookies" 1568430;1479315253;mircea_popescu;hm. 1568431;1479315265;BingoBoingo;Ramen is expensive compared to "deserts" 1568432;1479315391;*;shinohai eats some small nondescript tubers ramen 1568433;1479315407;mircea_popescu;"Still, she admires those who take great risks for quick wealth. She talks glowingly about the Canadian customers who made a fortune through credit card fraud before escaping to Cambodia. Her eyes shine dreamily at remembrance of that criminal cock." << incidentally, by the latest reports other than you suckers playing by the books, the population of people who smartened out and took off is so drastically increasing, they m 1568434;1479315407;mircea_popescu;ake upwards of HALF of all the rich barangs in most traditional prositution dens of asia. 1568435;1479315428;mircea_popescu;china doesn't give a shit, and i somehow don't see nato getting its balls brassed enough to go bomb vietnam again 1568436;1479315430;mircea_popescu;and so... 1568437;1479315458;mircea_popescu;for every schmuck hoping tindr will deliver. 1568438;1479315480;BingoBoingo;Hey, I just applied to literally all of the appointable positions outside of national security. 1568439;1479315504;mircea_popescu;better than naughting. 1568440;1479315554;Framedragger;trinque: oh god i need to delve into a longer and madder thing it seems https://source.isc.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=bind9.git;a=blob;f=lib/dns/resolver.c;h=74d82ae1076a80dc8edf8964b295b40d93b735d1;hb=4e8fe357a619ae2b789b15df7e3d6abf782b4a71 - goodtimes 1568441;1479315581;asciilifeform;Framedragger: that 1 file is almost longer than ALL OF TRB 1568442;1479315584;asciilifeform;holy SHIT 1568443;1479315603;mircea_popescu;no it's needed because dns is such a special thing. 1568444;1479315656;Framedragger;i also like such Brussels born comments as 1568445;1479315659;Framedragger;A negative response has a SOA record (Type 2) 1568446;1479315659;Framedragger;5515 * and a optional NS RRset (Type 1) or it has neither 1568447;1479315659;Framedragger;5516 * a SOA or a NS RRset (Type 3, handled above) or 1568448;1479315659;Framedragger;5517 * rcode is NXDOMAIN (handled above) in which case 1568449;1479315659;Framedragger;5518 * the NS RRset is allowed (Type 4). 1568450;1479315716;mircea_popescu;not such a terrible scheme. 1568451;1479315820;asciilifeform;the extended contemplation of ~using~ that thing in some future edifice here has got to be a running joke, which asciilifeform isn't in on.. 1568452;1479315854;mircea_popescu;stop the hate. 1568453;1479316138;shinohai;http://archive.is/kvhBv <<< in hoaxtoshi lulz 1568454;1479316184;mircea_popescu;lol someone still asks usgavin something ? 1568455;1479316195;asciilifeform;very talkative corpse 1568456;1479316209;mircea_popescu;IF this happens, it's definitely along the lines of "what the fuck are you still doing here, i told you we have a no bums policy" 1568457;1479317113;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/hKYvd << if you ever wondered what that marginal azn chick was thinking during campus hookup night. 1568458;1479317136;mircea_popescu;bonus "i am a stereotype" points : her name is megan and she's read enough tlp to try for "maggie" 1568459;1479317174;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxZO4GxXAAA_JRL.jpg <<< trump face made from crying snowflakes 1568460;1479317212;mircea_popescu;ooo that's glorious. where's the full res thing ? 1568461;1479317337;*;shinohai looks 1568462;1479318730;mats;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/15/royal-navy-to-lose-anti-ship-missiles-and-be-left-only-with-guns 1568463;1479318819;mats;>Naval sources said the decision was “like Nelson deciding to get rid of his cannons and go back to muskets” lul 1568464;1479319328;mats;also, the offensive against Raqqa has been going on for about a week 1568465;1479320428;BingoBoingo;mats: You apply for any presidential appointments in the Trumpreich yet? 1568466;1479320702;mats;no lol 1568467;1479320750;BingoBoingo;Why not? AN opportiniTIT like this arises only every 8 years. 1568468;1479320777;BingoBoingo;Also anyone recall the current url for mpex web? 1568469;1479320793;shinohai;mpex.site last time I checked 1568470;1479320824;shinohai;and .... expired 1568471;1479321581;mats;http://mpex.biz http://mpex.co http://mpex.re http://mpex.site are all expired 1568472;1479321633;mats;BingoBoingo: i gave up my aspirations for public service years ago 1568473;1479321808;pete_dushenski;mpex missingness probably related to the issues with internetbs.net not accepting btc anymore 1568474;1479321860;pete_dushenski;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1568475;1479321868;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5188.0, vol: 4111687.79210000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5188.0 1568476;1479321876;mats;if i ever serve again, it'd prob be in a firefighting dept or a civilian SAR unit 1568477;1479321906;mats;no interest in being a bureaucrat or working for some glazed donut 1568478;1479321928;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, anyone remember anthrax ? the band ? 1568479;1479322016;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: "force farmers to plan crops" << plant ? not sure that sucking usg.dole teet qualifies as planning. 1568480;1479322033;*;pete_dushenski hasn't heard of anthrax band 1568481;1479322064;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo try say http://mpex.biz/ ? 1568482;1479322093;mircea_popescu;o hey lol. domain lulz. 1568483;1479322108;mircea_popescu;anyway, use local dns will work. i guess ima put more domains. 1568484;1479322650;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> unrelatedly, anyone remember anthrax ? the band ? << for sure 1568485;1479322676;mircea_popescu;i ended up with a pile of old records. ahhh the 80s 1568486;1479322684;mod6;nice 1568487;1479322892;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pete_dushenski and other web-facing interested parties : i'll have some more domains linked this week. in the meanwhile, editing your /etc/hosts to correctly allocate the domain names will fix your problem. 1568488;1479322953;shinohai; I've decided this is the time to follow in phf's footsteps and curate a hosts file for all tmsr sites 1568489;1479322954;pete_dushenski;cheers :) 1568490;1479322964;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1568491;1479323078;mircea_popescu;mats it dun look like the "two months" were anything but the bitcoin "two weeks" does it. 1568492;1479323146;mod6;shinohai: good call 1568493;1479323271;mats;yes, i want a refund 1568494;1479323362;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'm curious, why don't you do mpex.trilema.com ? or would that link the two explicitly and hence would not be favourable? 1568495;1479323376;mircea_popescu;looks altogether more likely it's never actually getting conquered. if they last out the 70 days that's that for "peacekeeping" bs there. 1568496;1479323389;Framedragger;(if no trust in domains in the first place, what difference if 2nd level or 3rd level) 1568497;1479323409;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well cuz what sense would it make ? even leaving aside i'm not all that sold on "subdomains" 1568498;1479323427;Framedragger;trilema.com does not seem to expire 1568499;1479323440;Framedragger;"only a matter of time", i guess 1568500;1479323444;mircea_popescu;trilema.com is also directed to the general public. 1568501;1479323448;Framedragger;right. 1568502;1479324331;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/xU2lc << for german readers. basically, arabic-german interpreter lady plays fly on the wall, aghast to learn that moslems hate germans / xtians and have every intention of supplanting their hosts with uber-fecundity, whether filmed on hbo or not, whether there's beer or not, whether traffic is bad or not. 1568503;1479324418;pete_dushenski;xtianity's best defense against islam at this point would appear to be... mormons. go joseph! 1568504;1479324453;*;pete_dushenski wouldn't bet on mormon boys against raft-mongrels. 1568505;1479327086;ben_vulpes;"The Times reported that Mr. Trump had taken calls from the leaders of Egypt, Israel, Russia and Britain, but said they had been conducted haphazardly and without State Department briefings that traditionally guide conversations with foreign leaders." 1568506;1479327099;ben_vulpes;http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/politics/donald-trump-administration-twitter.html 1568507;1479327131;ben_vulpes;"omg ourrelephancy!" 1568508;1479327645;mircea_popescu;eh, "christians" is a thing like "wedding" is a thing. 1568509;1479327655;mircea_popescu;too late for that party. 1568510;1479334126;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the great before ranch, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPYlkDw-R3E 1568511;1479334326;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxXMuoTVIAAhlNm.jpg <<< lolerz 1568512;1479335764;mod6;:D 1568513;1479336110;ben_vulpes;her job is just beginning! 1568514;1479336122;ben_vulpes;consider the decades of speeches and /books/ 1568515;1479336132;ben_vulpes;the kids aren't even in high school yet! 1568516;1479336141;ben_vulpes;(i don't actually know that) 1568517;1479336215;mircea_popescu;i think they're just about college age 1568518;1479337059;ben_vulpes;!!rated vvande 1568519;1479337059;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated vvande 1 at 2016/11/16 22:57:18 << new blood 1568520;1479342828;vvande;ben_vulpes: I've got it. :) 1568521;1479342970;ben_vulpes;welcome 1568522;1479342993;vvande;thanks! 1568523;1479345682;ben_vulpes;in other cowsie news, https://gcaptain.com/watch-cow-marked-export-jumps-ship-swims-shore-fremantle/ 1568524;1479346126;vvande;yeah, refugees everywhere 1568525;1479347408;shinohai;!!up RodrigoBTC 1568526;1479347408;deedbot;RodrigoBTC voiced for 30 minutes. 1568527;1479347423;RodrigoBTC;Hello, everybody. Anyone online? 1568528;1479347508;ben_vulpes;RodrigoBTC: always, whats up 1568529;1479347565;RodrigoBTC;Need to learn how to register public key with deedbot 1568530;1479347592;ben_vulpes;!!help 1568531;1479347593;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1568532;1479347623;RodrigoBTC;great, thanks! 1568533;1479347636;ben_vulpes;mhm 1568534;1479347646;ben_vulpes;deedbot is in the habit of sending encrypted one time pads 1568535;1479347654;ben_vulpes;decrypt those and !!v 1568536;1479347663;ben_vulpes;pm to deedbot works as well 1568537;1479347936;RodrigoBTC;cool! 1568538;1479347954;ben_vulpes;!!key RodrigoBTC 1568539;1479347955;deedbot;No such key. 1568540;1479347962;ben_vulpes;lol so are you going to register or what 1568541;1479348206;RodrigoBTC;trying to 1568542;1479348210;RodrigoBTC;!!register pubkey-url 1568543;1479348211;deedbot;Import failed for RodrigoBTC. 1568544;1479348214;RodrigoBTC;!!key ben_vulpes 1568545;1479348216;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rkoux/?raw=true 1568546;1479348222;RodrigoBTC;Seems to be slow. 1568547;1479348224;RodrigoBTC;Will try again tomorrow. :) 1568548;1479348235;ben_vulpes;RodrigoBTC: dude you hafta put a url where your pubkey is accessible 1568549;1479348248;RodrigoBTC;ahh ok. 1568550;1479348254;ben_vulpes;dump it into p.bvulpes.com 1568551;1479348283;RodrigoBTC;understood 1568552;1479348320;RodrigoBTC;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/po1v0/?raw=true 1568553;1479348333;ben_vulpes;yeah but !!register 1568554;1479348346;RodrigoBTC;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/po1v0/?raw=true 1568555;1479348348;deedbot;AEEF2B966DCCD0BF60A38E117A0F38EEA068CB16 registered as RodrigoBTC. 1568556;1479348353;ben_vulpes;ayyyyyyy 1568557;1479348360;RodrigoBTC;Ahh it didn't work at pv! 1568558;1479348362;RodrigoBTC;Nice! 1568559;1479348368;RodrigoBTC;!key RodrigoBTC 1568560;1479348374;ben_vulpes;double bang 1568561;1479348392;ben_vulpes;!!rate RodrigoBTC 1 doolb_wen 1568562;1479348393;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/gbzto/?raw=true 1568563;1479348421;RodrigoBTC;Cool! 1568564;1479348421;ben_vulpes;!!v A8C1C721F16ED4D230B452B915CE404FFDA3AAAE909DA06EB7C4108047A28910 1568565;1479348421;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated RodrigoBTC 1 << doolb_wen 1568566;1479348446;ben_vulpes;now imma devoice you, message deedbot !!up 1568567;1479348448;ben_vulpes;!!down RodrigoBTC 1568568;1479348814;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/ann-a-mailhole << CH - [ANN] a mailhole 1568569;1479349143;shinohai;That's some awesum shit ben_vulpes 1568570;1479349171;ben_vulpes;thx, yo 1568571;1479349176;ben_vulpes;trivial wwwtronix 1568572;1479349210;*;asciilifeform used 'mailinator' for many years, similar old thing 1568573;1479349237;ben_vulpes;classic, yes 1568574;1479349241;ben_vulpes;i'm probably not going to build outbound 1568575;1479349252;asciilifeform;i dun recall it ever having outbound. 1568576;1479349258;asciilifeform;(why??!) 1568577;1479349294;ben_vulpes;apparently not, classic misrecollection 1568578;1479349307;ben_vulpes;why what? why not build outbound? why did mailinator not? 1568579;1479349332;asciilifeform;so that all-comers send spam ?! 1568580;1479349376;ben_vulpes;no, /'why' what/? 1568581;1479349411;asciilifeform;it was an anyone-can-use gadget. so no outbound, or anyone could spam with it. 1568582;1479349426;ben_vulpes;ah i see. 1568583;1479349437;asciilifeform;whole appeal was 'no making account' etc. 1568584;1479349443;ben_vulpes;yes yes 1568585;1479349477;asciilifeform;the more interesting detail is that eventually it became ~useless, the sort of derps who demand 'email confirm' started blacklisting @mailinator addrs. 1568586;1479349513;asciilifeform;they then offered payware 'secret domain' addrs, but i have nfi how well this worked, because it defeated THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT , with money-chargin', account-makin', etc. 1568587;1479350484;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-qe5OQaOks << 'rocket' for ben_vulpes . 1568588;1479350606;ben_vulpes;hm 1568589;1479350612;ben_vulpes;i see no choked flow 1568590;1479350641;asciilifeform;hard to see much in the clip. iirc sketches survived somewhere. 1568591;1479350648;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJE4yk_8J8 << another 'rocket' 1568592;1479350662;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: you're not going to get choked flow with fans i don't think 1568593;1479350670;asciilifeform;why not ? 1568594;1479350689;*;ben_vulpes fumbles in dark recesses of head 1568595;1479350771;mod6;"awwwwe" 1568596;1479350883;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: solid riddle, "why can a fan not produce supersonic choked flow" 1568597;1479350895;ben_vulpes;"given a large enough fan, and small enough nozzle throat..." 1568598;1479350902;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what do you suppose produces it in jet engine ? 1568599;1479351001;ben_vulpes;in jet engines, the nozzles release combustion gases and expand them through a turbine to drive the fan shaft 1568600;1479351072;ben_vulpes;there is also the upstream compressor driven off the same shaft but a) that's a compressor not a fan and b) that compressed gas is reacted with hydrocarbons to throw off oodles of gas cfm 1568601;1479351156;ben_vulpes;to achieve the same effect with fans you'd need to dissipate at least the same amount of energy through the fan motors as you'd liberate from the fuel, no? 1568602;1479351253;ben_vulpes;http://media2.fdncms.com/portmerc/imager/u/large/18697922/trump-protest-cover_11_9_16.jpg << asciilifeform turns out, freeway protest did not even actually block freeway 1568603;1479352077;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yes, you would. and this is thought to be impractical, but not impossible (see the atomic jet of the '50s, for instance.) 1568604;1479352237;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: rather impossible to cram into the linked lifting body 1568605;1479352355;*;ben_vulpes off for tacos, tunes, trouble 1568606;1479355844;mats;hedonist 1568607;1479356306;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ty fxd 1568608;1479360643;asciilifeform;ok folx small experiment, brace yerselves 1568609;1479360674;davout;ben_vulpes: even french gipsies know how to block a highway properly 1568610;1479360727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FD90189B488C014D27C44A5A8D7F26F158BD536F16151EF0D4CBD306FC988ED5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 160020939849591735689195935737670603389444362127750503559029321013808778986711559631797861835212433688505626045732953919086434864096674105429542406487373487511301566320745898926980345847779715173474361156004308526173084519267925403873999083770483916818865341447674667614956648079390410095590647081354794909903 divides RS 1568611;1479360727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F3E122AF7A0F0A68D548FB9A146251EFB90BCB405E5F90D649BD7E6AE62D60A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 23635707154206788693483751819550398439416689391813162836450702568232692368214340250726226525823190989579325972811966840190211505840119876634380564211548233153474559323288564821249776864592340798094699434091305140353444863964252718581391100578903222729275592321625756669165030753413696657446950872982027280551985766460861 1568612;1479360727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F043A7AB385625F1B4ADD21C785530EC2DC0C73836E283E17D7561F9859D9594 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12902981272094288595773451521368724046929261738354851246060243656895281122429076467673478712886260505286635734283486869888149130408006235329998052661655679 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.205.67.54 (ssh-rsa key from 67.205.67.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F 1568613;1479360727;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F28BB9DCA84B889EB988B3DD7690AC341ADD30696333B37549BDEAD0B25195C7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 163284672214841663384404250925679090304429717727171757522926808667828076665245947523783596370689337937008471663533012970554297700379721064029144089053919209440975871495388775572819007992938547987214475254863385597670478015160958143255647180509928332140986191755877696169755245569810909204833472400225037727417 divides RS 1568614;1479360728;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BED5D53C915886269C6A4BA530CB0B2B6B6B22248AB579D74293C0CBD76DA3C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 30724823573448254792675225952455412341870783492085955242720734138690098588812670861957346289471309489651902708317638929200337558749597364176767806636200833908772285392559339308695585699574641267417687879989434514634059375118061069236308410044362279867428443887306221371045908557645692886706356107053854779544460767649816 1568615;1479360728;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/68A9E039B55A61E5AA148D645234CCA5BDD042FBFA9AA317AC562E959D6E6F01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 30724823573448254792675225952455412341870783492085955242720734138690098588812670861957346289471309489651902708317638929200337558749597364176767806636200833908772285392559339308695585699574641267417687879989434514634059375118061069236308410044362279867428443887306221371045908557645692886706356107053854779544460767649816 1568616;1479360729;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/420E086302FA7DD03E7175105E5EBF2A1CAC80E192C6DE294B7D5CB4B36275CD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 142371317258532546671843212891156964005678859507095265323087426170347961806951598109996338704926701281863315482644633811158679951847272876704155685565786211276109365802136396671094562375760357235505041119226450915761320365492146655193789815166607686648867640769325588512651429255688865490569554926015679311683 divides RS 1568617;1479360729;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A164DD77C2CE6081E27CE06FA475DBDDD32B42A18500DBFA81BC69ECFB17F9FF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 159680504199352485752485554167483914515133730153618650368389522580803844636803544460266072260955773146504340654141228018356514818456835370601950378361769407358071421044023531406796861321220385521090421903524446720547671276502326074478318825527737370245224914284910262679508917622033557136329876820050457510043 divides RS 1568618;1479360730;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C26B1F5BE386BBD7EB722032DB921BE811247FE85BAC80FF85843707BE5C14F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26463352714636200019149911834485855772369608316680378918516423523345025549072540890353453577591138350355027396365118171492091395225056522276698138972076149887420810786848252361224308095683825944601786828729079778261372295732732585257849591651443539368086782425056223871845455038113546185907889814130239960720435435016511 1568619;1479360730;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB88D979E4DE37544AAE721E4A689E7BB3CD94548688F2C6D06260A90CAE737D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26463352714636200019149911834485855772369608316680378918516423523345025549072540890353453577591138350355027396365118171492091395225056522276698138972076149887420810786848252361224308095683825944601786828729079778261372295732732585257849591651443539368086782425056223871845455038113546185907889814130239960720435435016511 1568620;1479360731;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/58723471F60EFE51ECA94FB17FD5728C6931630B4467E3A8B270AE42829ADE33 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173130769478046724173919352684381531230005646840402943916258527980293405211943698645586860980818848275621057977274262721139863172851002558624039797961368127241523410274653761735552719230702649034272271786131842751478041433047126407354065286292541586399295691674073862586574551918264883272817201795008453502457 divides RS 1568621;1479360731;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A7B0767C4B448029BD8063DEE22E094755134CAC84B95EE74779CAA6690353F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 178668761332486987734673150989303795347061188166953784856966952883736527720271394012224518921205010122180256017907241663838470528004156228565934644268160882299869677064458506389929874466160292672858812235198494189484399428613417196631259501552008155411558246961753992570124609765875582323009609582031388839743 divides RS 1568622;1479360874;asciilifeform;there's moar 1568623;1479360988;asciilifeform;deedbot rss reader only can show 10, it seems 1568624;1479361167;asciilifeform;tighten your belts, people... 1568625;1479361187;asciilifeform;counter is at 120+ and ticking 1568626;1479361237;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C77DA3CC41B5629098C23EBB044F32A84FFE742B1154C0127896598B6F25947E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167938720016525750454236726724005119056532342357510374810226632923265415467772729427616121375470009479876022359822581727642353632235688144845634047010660455213797168621413867052768278078416489275990915870329126599902009226785439873205343959280681520765103055823661486805076459072037615916068323283613654300827 divides RS 1568627;1479361238;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F14E8E04A17B6269F6D3CE420D6820268429566553116459B900317DB03E6FB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167938720016525750454236726724005119056532342357510374810226632923265415467772729427616121375470009479876022359822581727642353632235688144845634047010660455213797168621413867052768278078416489275990915870329126599902009226785439873205343959280681520765103055823661486805076459072037615916068323283613654300827 divides RS 1568628;1479361238;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06E4D01D72365CFCFBE7A9D9C19043DC7F9C46CB8B8C25D4D87F9A44AA74F33A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167938720016525750454236726724005119056532342357510374810226632923265415467772729427616121375470009479876022359822581727642353632235688144845634047010660455213797168621413867052768278078416489275990915870329126599902009226785439873205343959280681520765103055823661486805076459072037615916068323283613654300827 divides RS 1568629;1479361238;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AABAB275AAD7F03084F11904656F14B73955FA46AD704842CBA717D42AE9B800 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167938720016525750454236726724005119056532342357510374810226632923265415467772729427616121375470009479876022359822581727642353632235688144845634047010660455213797168621413867052768278078416489275990915870329126599902009226785439873205343959280681520765103055823661486805076459072037615916068323283613654300827 divides RS 1568630;1479361238;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3F6D6CB29236E0C1F5347ABE43967D8C1CAF9A69A30BF9E3F2D7678B4CD08258 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 174116386774157593536735306499096084248353753161818175546171479163944201808498334389669218837073070655390179136794368573419225461821436734456446812768590148499059148776498279399183827858481604326544911889353284485111978796191408523252646115322800823001991920012605637481884738398325798973172308339105005331569 divides RS 1568631;1479361238;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BECC19E6AF602F0D8990FF1E556CCA9AF1EFE81FF7607957350FFAB4B8C3D3D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 25593876779993321428848967651765719349261918589959652927478240182103310920000195921563214993958135124526276776700460004194677587602670419852990252738373341873518784931864265058908747722641372217158846527063443968135495809950853779924249695221610689248719885495462573292886163895205476351542479025228083744112290355163655 1568632;1479361239;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45BA2F9FD388D62850F109C2B0E0975847D2513E096BB6D2CB3EF77F26EDBA75 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24580022005297831222356586272856478632598982989456086177774763772229556604747026864485636447564801107954695747327701269461240420930549114854254412042562882195758961845980097588410532387443273699419542397766940220046075812282055845095414156402370679785258443105066590859811191057865957751757925720667023423193806111604126 1568633;1479361239;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D16288CF78681A1263B19901E7F0B2DE559B28954AA6BE805B36A6C73FEF55A8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 175587093727680909567409059069395021456519925079491278541512035402997994661788856062151950789980196955548950945813426265924366636033746848794827115905431132547333327660526039592177016599976668021794658501751405924400613125000365916908087159140674936362636259088906015879608690013704690060166950833750768857499 divides RS 1568634;1479361240;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6947C42F6830912A417E8C9BFA88AED21CF28B5F679EA38E802A5269FEA5ED7C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 21216048702591240048801232110876621864939287461919060916266954641215055407126382116930585683584629956134394302896999705994710659089008488103872852531027004845703590404221625250338227343454872926259222634469444815101175716970070477595411227552053881273463283618110950844693078247293905545474958520438590336351985233545322 1568635;1479361240;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC884FCFBBA8357197DAC7255FC07AF59AC983BE1C89F33C2AC68A844B60BAC6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22658395769123744924427857477327899683929566126514543980971001841036789003430579837994622773180007107334125429397162371840523663542392349648795647295276100447284349596415466462302780721323707567221378093811486010693360781552647756966663088136921140476911621137230488738649779848689386492961580666078358107105912281448283 1568636;1479361241;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8AFE85EE38E35347D91DF3CB3FA752B92BFE87E63E5088DDB63CA002092BD5B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22050671309577793624603007886663233173031068074421160446175512460814912726885507818779149109947895503724280779094292167401373653271707840839651637214272733005836732378208080582378177940075558496095646882049439578911340130128316071247301736565635309575761402891431997240772987313816971616632186423363874533142093706812458 1568637;1479361241;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EFAFB85701A25A49224A7502AB4B175429977E25D898BE694AFC2FC0573F127A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24663915827355014305524456237053843622301807117812599564191794896153988615066361890069831994808633140867363718215224558392639163806155563529457235291772964654007221187039505289133714204388012981111961155921470846819259513166223328419644393882557558628588469781712099523184563444094343383485548129939948792845343280922237 1568638;1479361242;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7D1CC04EC09BBDC238559F7F316AB7838463302CAD0AD4268EE310CE59F77C54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24328545735642533826385702724475141949173747565334590736641825166042382101589270458668137098544671934460303120200471999411351384647937621774468403306257400441144538250332959811464512789433947140319902525710631145125586024781333656339218309605319723972571250986418771486648405567650974522577122421294791104251233175442321 1568639;1479361267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A64555ECAC111B67E59CC4E4F9CE9AA2605ECD941E190AEAC3EF85BECCA917D6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 162353813202903064711673487989765722182140382740654201739676228668676951652717326676557428039075451442560263356188126877635265312732634966709645827734620119629569542051984875669883673760991462765749489778117386667060269523638584849075111684395001065683867789565756104944592822400134995015986235038191517423383 divides RS 1568640;1479361268;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F164EE4E41579CB28FAF011B93F8DD9AE365EB88338633565547E7218E2350B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13207535926475973919031589686696053882691493076998973154939702592650972859933231857374224117513451809122118850535461782278636138862820722751474629447132713 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.37.12.25 (ssh-rsa key from 77.37.12.25 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Fre 1568641;1479361340;asciilifeform;186... 1568642;1479361463;*;asciilifeform himself does not know how many there are. this could go on all night. 1568643;1479361490;*;asciilifeform promises a tall drink of your choice next we meet, to the 31111117 d000d who can immediately say how this was done. 1568644;1479361560;BingoBoingo;member berries harvested from the bushes outside Ft. Mead? 1568645;1479361567;asciilifeform;also i think i crashed phf's log 1568646;1479361597;asciilifeform;oh and it's still going... 1568647;1479361638;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it was a very simple experiment, took about 35 min. to set up while dinner was cooking. 1568648;1479361692;asciilifeform;247... 1568649;1479361768;asciilifeform;ipinfo: 200.80.237.179, No Hostname, Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires F.D., AR, -34.6033,-58.3816, AS11664 Techtel LMDS Comunicaciones Interactivas S.A., 1871 << lel 1568650;1479361778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F29DCC2269B023E67F3006DBC8940965AD0378E271CE09E5CC6A97C52D2CA530 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 27499252378152567126625322055389923763167444985476621258652593051053917300373929836173885113483675118162662827671437090295701445892512538835809460649889347386218002493743750240674681475872751410134039933608454660364055035588913505708465898722506681594470184050900200371776259116114302053681659814367151295745045696486048 1568651;1479361778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4EE75E097826B7B9FB32B855538F5F72BAF1EB27AB71A33E99FA90BF49C234E6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24984623769989314012735379131629854607150630550119344346947992551711281709766105446290697662667894406646192841449448237715236775248986245872111636529890532019178794767458251049072490457852868904936443234132851525965585697674576208126542821503737472736119225399220111168224831551362707146878546829430922481660040551801214 1568652;1479361778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E9053C42DFEABE1E5FF37E5D529D019302430294D57525B58CE39ECAB6291177 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 134057063787939368589410002676591577121339384603028644655282504036800746720751183004679577822646425373533053634159131363952633803692152258106899725246860574532653549324752899797853974850823770221942538910276239809915431329314028656232169434632653758205507724281042651003485292919145781591977092211872519271171 divides RS 1568653;1479361778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2864849FD60EAD02C4D43FE3EDED7AB328B6BD02A07F6645CEB7E2598B6CF6DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22251643646037225346189175080397004425049272317444192193999441160878483917342636051985465175101332422840044630555006223190727637454020758908083229003804396729917701303720701191464189928097043711717195451852079829741653537014542240922376195048744207362192236981132459455468008690043630309578233587463358029329685095150816 1568654;1479361778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4A3DE7D15388EC549C136A4F60BD3D1EA5F590580EDEE2695B8176291A16D430 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 162050632810660081857068402961856649506638566355191544608641167001518702279247117838908086140298079369339439485265177388718034845767658128302398308999761156155783322285737775328122319448295394314365044749726780719871136405278305754977345574826969683536230867647745732492464888397316805097649819783392811270973 divides RS 1568655;1479361778;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B132968DD490F759A809E3ECBD84553C7E118A76E847E272AD9F70C15FC08D9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24560866196922736319246914515415325601322939344983900794876820288212526678000954683969173853084131414805688030854986404287461089369075299691659869480164400462397238877040624823546685920858783007567484635443482468686380641992922550513809687801355412981250315192421291060786887369417084560823500601967117699807827162978476 1568656;1479361779;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E3A4603F82B45218B87410F13C5FC422A1113DA5EDA549DBF25BA2D024C29A9E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26298378209616644905967101646605343416527271666943915309615355208451603008197027110612046353744882907336597433287548951041679663990204351559367714329499266246442340419050441717487406271603000500746485610217766181303271658870263135326432121027776461248941849217694338005003077927060082714527523278260843587180269767862979 1568657;1479361779;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/118102DC876A66225BB91354D76C93CCEC17EB84379BC373F977FE1F04169A01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 172314473068123129720169625356152716315265019395341723940502434312299376941103454678902621200436818808023809692676918804762754758068150677733445366925088461522728490236439010245045196237392140521176308075094044688765201207367266642616746415700814951543189292517206396399461301608095224566748303687357238543459 divides RS 1568658;1479361780;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7497609B5F9992DCBC9B56BF0DB7F40C579086FE24260E21D1CBEB788315F2CE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24557500368013399149405855921164325678262758147451602652715565858496874936411639327959833407439500256508524585234460013725738873591022667188333091979713321696995991628999838793460886069798762835340255130600423465224884011043177482343083812906226674933634974608643312674639026584366976142101545656470701640717837461659948 1568659;1479361780;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/88FA2B2A8868E03EBD4CFE78AD90503C1FD6F55160B37EB4E60246EE07964D58 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 162541221811797129160640881015070721689637070624569787261875497226198833359795567097183567757176345198957154111697077260701112892781670823310488985677905274370609079187678369731897682328562878411199212966390071338555562120718858448299987630839203882712807057421874296011587294454260064372701758994883108133157 divides RS 1568660;1479361793;asciilifeform;ratatatatat. 1568661;1479361807;*;asciilifeform pours water on the four smoking, red-hot barrels 1568662;1479361822;BingoBoingo;major database merge with waiting submissions? 1568663;1479361833;asciilifeform;nah 1568664;1479361838;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/14CD16E8EC09D29FE63EA68F96AF79031114269F4DEC01C4D3CB287D7A344259 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168454331431282944977070488868209698046571020988491012592360234829518818761956667935700912717912558197327410716811420381146455306406442385827453913971407531719455415784805171248846751123624829420303930172923543549144920319978780102870149886362032504979416352098796512103657460128466863458914402783636660423503 divides RS 1568665;1479361862;asciilifeform;not even 1 in 10 of these will end up in the l0gz, will they. 1568666;1479361871;asciilifeform;i think my rss thing only shows top-25 at a time 1568667;1479361900;asciilifeform;i'ma have to write an article at some point, it seems. 1568668;1479361915;BingoBoingo;So it does. 1568669;1479361925;asciilifeform;294.. 1568670;1479362013;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: these are 100% items that were already queued up. no speedups involved. 1568671;1479362018;asciilifeform;same old phuctor. 1568672;1479362032;asciilifeform;i do not have time to rewrite it, have been working very heavily on something entirely unrelated. 1568673;1479362064;asciilifeform;314... 1568674;1479362069;BingoBoingo;Well numbers had to come from somewhere... Is this Fuck goat related? 1568675;1479362075;asciilifeform;partly. 1568676;1479362160;asciilifeform;possibly this is biggest thermonuke of usg idiot ops in recentl history. 1568677;1479362211;BingoBoingo;Well bahamas is still in the white house till June 20th. Prolly ought to publish a something before the black bag comes. 1568678;1479362211;asciilifeform;and this is only bullet 'a', i'ma shoot bullet 'b' tomorrow 1568679;1479362232;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this used a thing published long ago by entirely other people 1568680;1479362241;BingoBoingo;oh 1568681;1479362257;asciilifeform;but no moar puzzle hints. 1568682;1479362262;asciilifeform;i'ma not spoil it, for now. 1568683;1479362278;asciilifeform;351... 1568684;1479362318;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/990E541F998377BC4ABFDCEEEDDC32F9E7BE5D15732979EFD7285EB05875FE87 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24458519532691795136156637400905322384262193484758802167796994239346854134282135724208558353967159089907071796659808533493893782175783581129824259153698324573036141168725668051777012904386047879381086054545275703759972666390195001305927367978469978477813868491681113603615925582759965707552823452395238474795039370110888 1568685;1479362318;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3437245B22D2166683ACBBB79FB619D0D07041E454FD2B51C899BD0CFC93B615 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24458519532691795136156637400905322384262193484758802167796994239346854134282135724208558353967159089907071796659808533493893782175783581129824259153698324573036141168725668051777012904386047879381086054545275703759972666390195001305927367978469978477813868491681113603615925582759965707552823452395238474795039370110888 1568686;1479362318;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C4496E66E18A5D6F42D85DCC1FF9155438F57B9913FD1923907464DDE700F76 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24458519532691795136156637400905322384262193484758802167796994239346854134282135724208558353967159089907071796659808533493893782175783581129824259153698324573036141168725668051777012904386047879381086054545275703759972666390195001305927367978469978477813868491681113603615925582759965707552823452395238474795039370110888 1568687;1479362318;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/97D617A18AC63C31A425B19047FE4237740BBF185B61BC88D4A8D7BAA411A1EF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24458519532691795136156637400905322384262193484758802167796994239346854134282135724208558353967159089907071796659808533493893782175783581129824259153698324573036141168725668051777012904386047879381086054545275703759972666390195001305927367978469978477813868491681113603615925582759965707552823452395238474795039370110888 1568688;1479362318;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D4E33F9B99ED848D74C0B956F55E031B088B2AB557AE487D62DF6A7250D878B6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 131096772428459900151457101804908715583973968607204151706816080254020175708649468349817049493682956928581090476440935112159629191221525502793093946740204231844940662456259996793107327192003472377783892017959413504289251703740490805820525910400422478510974235227590753171372724441682020066226523475647776449701 divides RS 1568689;1479362318;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81F658DF6589300E82D683E0F76931277705B9A7B16E3614855AF13202433ABB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 131096772428459900151457101804908715583973968607204151706816080254020175708649468349817049493682956928581090476440935112159629191221525502793093946740204231844940662456259996793107327192003472377783892017959413504289251703740490805820525910400422478510974235227590753171372724441682020066226523475647776449701 divides RS 1568690;1479362319;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E8BA7C513EE5D96CBDE1CF6527D2772CF15DA9CF6A78636862C5EF408E69D12D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 131096772428459900151457101804908715583973968607204151706816080254020175708649468349817049493682956928581090476440935112159629191221525502793093946740204231844940662456259996793107327192003472377783892017959413504289251703740490805820525910400422478510974235227590753171372724441682020066226523475647776449701 divides RS 1568691;1479362319;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/14CF4CF3FE03BAFC92EAEFA64B7EA08EBEE5818F5B8B4133C661C51FD1DC4321 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 131096772428459900151457101804908715583973968607204151706816080254020175708649468349817049493682956928581090476440935112159629191221525502793093946740204231844940662456259996793107327192003472377783892017959413504289251703740490805820525910400422478510974235227590753171372724441682020066226523475647776449701 divides RS 1568692;1479362320;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/66799D817D7204625E63EC5BDDB7E0476A38D6D89F1418BF52F9AFFDB825682A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 131096772428459900151457101804908715583973968607204151706816080254020175708649468349817049493682956928581090476440935112159629191221525502793093946740204231844940662456259996793107327192003472377783892017959413504289251703740490805820525910400422478510974235227590753171372724441682020066226523475647776449701 divides RS 1568693;1479362320;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/85A86616B46137C1CB81B8A965A4C57D584546B7E12FCBA433390D26B6E0E944 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167227094546118631679317552333107771076227916113951110716686661553644083218916816772855157683057572588980498577486047862442852625929258888376125328837985598456647568897566198055429196219139301281806041210522323092086060925444982572843005204165852728564166266464694105630104574415987912923530136135059535858209 divides RS 1568694;1479362321;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0E0CF6F0F7FCBD68A1BDA1B4E96A09A30025C0A4A1095453452231A7C4A1BAC5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167783134574123237061582587368143644840553578244939773310583737088434558823496249025768912741449202900449612421406705590473901201813643255799638566969099843805966907635779052022004986812490542894427234393949222365778605310889775825315212657092452742913132109834791608171691764595765191377445179770862072332253 divides RS 1568695;1479362321;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2D60EACCA77B268E4355F248324E55DD52FC8CDFC979954AB497AAF1F021A747 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 28657401340071138790052706275980951664059858641765989814481419194698724458329109880480959427076907442040248371473454518648181601658814816234483513506053413169444713505778648895827707378449052074284286845036729968083816544351046959497934867885924213313429850455223466932725168669303038315233272999539978186909642058427951 1568696;1479362322;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C649AC26ABB0432C6D8CADD20F03BD8E12595283AA5FF4A9C7E881F5E10D6824 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 161611454528700438924495554574059995781679304681315870741716349835593966354414922803707023956424200004001417073724672953987973435076157575878138074377995475904824033427822392524862615570930907365263994269243000640146226412287460234807581343390740837824119540451656749529652608507385204512915686403383823046579 divides RS 1568697;1479362322;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CC803C6DF0058F0153538548DB9390E5E2E5BECAFE3DE5B2D01F0BED7F253C4C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 145105784849561653635232328882570711460178206120312663100846386489816630367914847641371283016226063989424002038064293586492758242218705808054380438504283893564995884250669371893826292033160702188386386146241427664607642084589873594724426524554714178724563034796893810824329491055518194795221428096187352350013 divides RS 1568698;1479362323;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/36BADBA86CDD995C1D308C82D0A25DBE6CD9161088FF9CAC707036D06B70DFD9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 172037980962488491257606367551673575144210976435865223533363765209947819902330450565346585642298667295332301257280525941466122909079264533479453081580579371518222080793055634602780207119158118056370477468401508565967633578276530291333609120800879278414681534995749154947619645995076919895886491882580332538169 divides RS 1568699;1479362323;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/57FCBA9D76B5226FC79AE90A8C55F1158FE5C23D725FCCDFA294C13C22C8D7F4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 21064108599248536743240402582794364902149590145944348053344671074434092873802031702536635225787190183359576144202628172434081996154770069111523610973300563206789223849041735771273736585795095144526750692764472938788561153153853017300724570482031659243742272927987632034847496689265621958284938490473003937832172364098424 1568700;1479362324;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/680155593893CD7BB567B4B3EF81B98D67D447887A3FBEFED920F23BFA0D99E8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 155070779568695958239911927491420065961849811448411477223359159534598982512738569392770006225046384872362086884562768961638914024737111671473015188348503224866449934849501339890097323735001859383533840296056634864165459248830931204752260030261525475757819255623590814361318716943438394364724213882487245387309 divides RS 1568701;1479362324;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B6CBFD2E2D6136C1DB8E3F2822840E179B46179482B8BA9C6CA9AD035D881683 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 155070779568695958239911927491420065961849811448411477223359159534598982512738569392770006225046384872362086884562768961638914024737111671473015188348503224866449934849501339890097323735001859383533840296056634864165459248830931204752260030261525475757819255623590814361318716943438394364724213882487245387309 divides RS 1568702;1479362325;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/187DC4D47D332B573081788DD69D8E27E43B5260BA9383EF12B73EE6D7DA057F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 155070779568695958239911927491420065961849811448411477223359159534598982512738569392770006225046384872362086884562768961638914024737111671473015188348503224866449934849501339890097323735001859383533840296056634864165459248830931204752260030261525475757819255623590814361318716943438394364724213882487245387309 divides RS 1568703;1479362360;asciilifeform;holy MOTHER OF FUCK i had nfi there would be so many. 1568704;1479362419;asciilifeform;could easily be in the thousands. 1568705;1479362424;asciilifeform;or tens of thousands... 1568706;1479362535;asciilifeform;i'm off to bed. don't anybody drown. 1568707;1479362888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A611E82F23E24D886270D30F3B385CA511FFCD95353CB0F692173CD2936AD153 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24019677054274425986063252476576688657409887071526688518347326731048436613283896332407536896625600903155056069460308627745462997396715849656245693627113218982305907795764347508091769513821189934961245150526056116919603616715953268834515089363768821265440265194617320679702241673286638397925816013781742615220933932810874 1568708;1479362888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A75580C0D454275974E63C612A2EF7FC8C4DEC6E3A378E465454B87226B88D95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 30593378070836929153670564071083341449508093081686427003933556646029743210529374132209585986733853644149209311482909809389421789654574295161671794582877096136871817544363808282624692453737032163046338682314480539483632699968422699944453567638457903868578691759336188676405217584744051486784372433330490382561331560438148 1568709;1479362888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6315CE301317297954ACF3BA675C2F8FA8865798C5583490705EE78DF10E61F7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 177733558435465572614952881159352620369438504911826173886381029275572180232633591028609668674362141005814758270182330223202130710618222914762820677155318761343676788335350948250071875100689957158963894889501679648021637927309645819471773559165984605441957588926661358005299942919749965027420015498435024916897 divides RS 1568710;1479362888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/60315CD478314825280B06A47476E01D773E46664B60252D92ACBCE77A776E84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 148777196675783317129250437930977908304432699294553851704192721699049835077477605026210656038491244550650517730158516367400779224844145842357003985110021394900112879340967690334372066931262381331609379730616393495945832012580125431893974124775923092770141703984734669915282744519725570622139909856671507588957 divides RS 1568711;1479362888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0AAE1C4A519249D1CA62C4229B991D22BF7CDB0FF91F3FC6AC15B69786100D8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24549535157383781948756021509694507086714238736839661670441183237314249223130655974154788684570787602823194394892635657883927907850707605995516626597459198810702711745056384786583302640474832367517403462912310833165631265245383524812378938938306420763124863840875438580526972285529956875685180887757609580173132017268824 1568712;1479362888;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6650211B1354070194D09DAC3E12C17DC8BDCDC7B2C770048B00A3A0A8AA823E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 21784366482811861626338856610940681077846239556298516048641805726842380880331086065079284659201323368468982662639586620929197866696570803548364109881453138631217989364632145744722541431101008323750554424530150791790344342407003587783481897949772563478933253229551375956414248247626618913367115598715685157591712909984852 1568713;1479362889;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/42B569A8E4C632876CF5571C2B2AE96E9191559A72F78CCE7F7E5FCD73662C32 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 165632542055217242961499266647416120660955048230296588832464509481795921139402761163479107811602441937473021243810533049024130316848179251938276581452616442561283370746610278443370918535685519668656717997437279353362914046722753580026751321369503098870208442734963430197898421047529348723522062074543311116279 divides RS 1568714;1479362889;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/091198EF8C7FE3FD565771DA97FB9C687CFD4BBD300CE3CCEA33B0CF3BCE733C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 23475462915640902035255184504593357255890355879763048455430595971173003140839202624604142463350301089781419237989405115841166955650020422692408757214706494650096741003695183366888597557770554660246203967775107517366402590561766810755166200046433669319322938920595277815595022775634030899490489072450525982120497418909630 1568715;1479362890;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F50575E51BEB67BFFF01410BE7316426F91DF5B23064EE713A4CCC02375B85FE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 175479006395309154166142887832624412808417638768538916862517912845822088244746056901550504275591540736405523241926639036335837514449370402560469851580400806601251700616935800078995139791689389910250588929877339430943468367878745985890080702634742804992198488587705562300659194280226524200850739710888056374913 divides RS 1568716;1479362890;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FEE93B5898DEC03260DD1C686ADF4D6468DCB6D202CD844E9DF01FABC5331895 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 27336079515843720183463127407643740432210325887958816601898643353332402154763044108603434194095997959546409912014408798767663713891001901828033607765732596134594198546633913140581350390126034587244289126962995360906425626284453618714209720533153116716803920089160657925336592253540309624661112401816852812465860195166992 1568717;1479363428;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06C0EF914793EC7F37DF53DC3912784D67AFD0E08D161632533770868CE78972 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 25148502966581116749260635198738069220494269237359879774136882313074030929382977807897878971561227478514622148526247845255275239006208337043634136360341370125652988974805824827494874082324496167413716360289683719535675632078204567638446415167488130183518458785486245127706956367410720363956607282309889270199128623448414 1568718;1479363428;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF7EF571D217C796311C42ADB86B35F37B461A6DD23BB102CAF5A3A492C2A7A8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26007025636907233377629173440501580970373106247934830092375903069211265223930060047265967019592908923893548237707671036250327363979679172322289663581022115056929096252910219482204953217372347255815483522854266978586010148993780764281498174318045221616736408062985472527111389590510791537622584216059384258790441888226811 1568719;1479363428;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/27588973083D139F5B72D00AC746D227748723B2855D9784A534D2F0A9051AD3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26007025636907233377629173440501580970373106247934830092375903069211265223930060047265967019592908923893548237707671036250327363979679172322289663581022115056929096252910219482204953217372347255815483522854266978586010148993780764281498174318045221616736408062985472527111389590510791537622584216059384258790441888226811 1568720;1479363428;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/730944F098CCE09C2CB6645FA3D8C5A0FF29C75FF8D90B0EC23BA2FA8827734E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 160398980984626976842739433905211253203636289150654716880509054772349243712872817233347257421618800104762570201774889898639509806485237357048030543534742312818673608320647574249033126760955700809623613354047652359808768074898621590518847112768227627492919937131310471356138723929900456000098901975650670824149 divides RS 1568721;1479363428;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0D67148AD27D4DD23120614643BBA30722407B462D41EB14D5C751A6D433676B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26810827556897179140544615602424899728322133515814370671775366310335020974134304097075500050040227092272530601677671800570204827517978868976358619375137332663757320519101447440809466687198239497055905543803137850458525433668628529129390592187388597291965108136942004550249033268764502120669880494787393289908512640614844 1568722;1479363428;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7A8A672E497B5CF1402BA295E0D46017A7C04D516B3EFC41FC6621D09E812A40 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22807896553127667837697590959445839042998082642578848572848867039405275736471928394842458616648711349848273326539636056306785923225962287047425569660889859117402998844243396894911399474988694722145550137650932360232127487661006136947401560876798017645368301006760098766672962439546817429020933835633246884993147216690593 1568723;1479363429;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16D38B9B2C057E39E3CEF0CD88076AA1456676967AD7DCF6B843C308D15E013A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 20430040755860689987516708960550673856436876909734425618056291216753625846810495644412179538760200683054660733003917943753401775454947447541533439830314714596486254365827146935424051807611676146472689188247384272064040987732328353131543162329645977163550016270374510372286854416861518559432271383606993642102310786747903 1568724;1479363429;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B6FCC9792F88B1213F4051EDA02044FC32A418CA447153312FA68B7F2EFCF92 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 20430040755860689987516708960550673856436876909734425618056291216753625846810495644412179538760200683054660733003917943753401775454947447541533439830314714596486254365827146935424051807611676146472689188247384272064040987732328353131543162329645977163550016270374510372286854416861518559432271383606993642102310786747903 1568725;1479363430;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8F17C93EE7FD8D851D06FF801B70B1B964839244B5E0B91C121454AE981F8F3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 20430040755860689987516708960550673856436876909734425618056291216753625846810495644412179538760200683054660733003917943753401775454947447541533439830314714596486254365827146935424051807611676146472689188247384272064040987732328353131543162329645977163550016270374510372286854416861518559432271383606993642102310786747903 1568726;1479363430;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A28D210A7FEB836B01A33B4EA69D82541C363A15D74095852DE00558EF985B72 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26779268621857055806411840716746817061766724371170141159263616283466365229579312375454738147098829711948615715911663921575900443464204042139704051246178209603527036733880412001783701609139374796842387763456645691820810268199731935610091150838063378889137057397857523126563066723150700594120080864057338839473929502155873 1568727;1479363431;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9F1EE20C3A4FE880549D962DE6DA00610DF77E6CE3F9E72852135D3CDA42F9F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 19632751739747647488975825128413735885183932389180010403019213855075778241919510693400740706112428129899248693988271501194972609652310202264126997646911304515168921828973588075006069733175054382546807237337345679488557775987219545661205265281526240297984486262722535389278486539187047715217051671986645616511547267092066 1568728;1479363431;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/325F2BFFB6D4BAE3F156247D09D0EB0190BDA320DDC6A8E53B27CB7C345CEAFC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 25386029905700916203770376579087709631773431217485460722700100778072931641433422655515451731184885177154721412052639951456393385259841438582650744576604449093074593759673721037249244483760891552780167062301269039418550695479675214672649173996765193925886830040856134628678149558055300945968615477316735018608545115327592 1568729;1479363432;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C4FB45527B5696A126E3944C3490AFC204F9746307868680BEAE3E8BCFE16F94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 179295216765874135887836496587590073143491366421295042636426683054231095625711639124154182039013264815100395512926552902393639996766873706467424153934310735443689269203411017346520768860223555414296883380449681599319407164024952253534439139151041030948326111226051752418886257513421689900582588120932951456099 divides RS 1568730;1479363938;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A126E9BCE363CEF690D9069C52080108AAE3C80A3ADE16C356B656999AC8C37 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568731;1479363938;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DE29482A7462D8F9DCC6981B30DD90FD7E640EE1C7256C095F6EE60865C9E105 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568732;1479363938;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC89CD970978B855D966629E483FCA4EAF09CEA7255334A371C48EF04E9C5550 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568733;1479363938;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBC419C95C01EF029C16E7BEB7A8BF51DED7B1DECCC0D8CC0BCDF9913210DEE9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568734;1479363938;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A1DE420CE8CDD4EE40433E4FA0774C7061A1F883425EDF19E52F5E55348ED43C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568735;1479363939;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F08C6EEFDEE4D21D95B79FE3C10985573014DC7FE87DD964E4A32D177A56EBF6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568736;1479363939;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/85813AED181CE7BC5E2B2C208A7FDB229552EE7FE1FD0AA8D4C8364D60503859 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568737;1479363940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD976FB556F5B0EB949A4CE2234258E652A449B08B9D37320CF024126AE3A912 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568738;1479363940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A036C8A25E261B0D459E90E6E79739C0311357D6F503FDD7809DE26A738F689 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568739;1479363941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7DD35397D7378C29FC9716A8C3276F7C486094226037FD37C853AA971E893327 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568740;1479363941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/12E33F9E49E155F1A0FC54B92E8D60A589DE15017A5D4FC9B6F1D9E3046E615E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568741;1479363942;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C57FB4BD8BA00973ED72D6C7841FF64C61C6C06664BE9B80B265FD05A75FDF6E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169752394860609862485903467464685252885431941427435632310457716511821107528346657269832080856658441052574399795616036714562673726620512493084962837595435151679095377330189151111421985638183011542191075268358314971485010315671839921461574403817017321718664273543650826408187248474715589001022987821234157468133 divides RS 1568742;1479363942;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/352CA15937A431707C3BD8A8E6AEB4298D6B0A887435A1FA2E1889436B34FA29 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 149540907520432166336225519406310716941677112176906936059814596105263959840066233364186695832758528215411751719338369870414719395988379369662814137301963673308979833655945452575205809751462725384222092170605844040587824180962796864668740507939170055669565093019680528181236267931879588311270789550064656040469 divides RS 1568743;1479363943;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF37C96AF523CEE51DF69037D79020237885660B8082559786D5B72477EC1E95 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26907720627137957996703284121711506202572792673580212075106679135796451594845936915498299289333901719163144511363551881934831854323764208812677331055944919450927591208665387602356733749020036709853539838332800037674238021057031961814944918032159339190677123155588937429377747632867635901602988696962874148863655961810949 1568744;1479363943;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67601CE1ED301FB6FF155A69EA864C4E0216E43D3390F233197002A30E0DBFE1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 26907720627137957996703284121711506202572792673580212075106679135796451594845936915498299289333901719163144511363551881934831854323764208812677331055944919450927591208665387602356733749020036709853539838332800037674238021057031961814944918032159339190677123155588937429377747632867635901602988696962874148863655961810949 1568745;1479363944;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/32A2FD288C9E665E6A7E8057FED1695FC32ADD513828B215ECC2A738AA237374 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 19869015499882554438949926366342389281888070732070866532005174629510035540358470973524417374983516785011114479488933244897650113122662237328251048394640094393273264365510009162799048127380941949191375902386849201737068031990131453338671462926184469519492828267924388922448104765928281035321757328600309480273135346979139 1568746;1479363944;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8C70B9A37EC9AAF01EE21B55EFDFDF862ABC6BD60745E42432A1346465F26161 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 20350373508349068947343212917648765341460084094592641973902767533070315169523521947112032639127198098049670224924261319639298687454625034543524574689393694906879580481429515608693457046294514905104931736135704384806823037259019399720793271596261256393942123566568001259801182433716829728519671234783796830850035899172389 1568747;1479363945;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BCDFEE2CFAE1851BF29DC29C1E1011D94E5FDD9DA4904AA92EE54EAD40E2F38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 157085017212715440822860107182734870262233805497106653439033136429134937660557194941640755025442277811337765755134745998978335957306807184346043715528135067915016280524156775759415536055458700323773760847909487710675999961089428450164115586658547237513245152414357149675538423360436617082391382772770254766093 divides RS 1568748;1479363945;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6E3092279F72034549F115839348EDA80046C96DC154C2A4137D51C42B2C6C01 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173176211825295265035051123281658598283706842921585250908225517469628695438085367751276277992283927592348939050942974449350109855016109721127143361614318077330286058436525923126859764292622291063529395096208190502278154425541977559144664800066008146953792487744452058115776743099169862111415617439900562405829 divides RS 1568749;1479363946;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0AD96801DCE4723FA914A3295CE6E4ABE143907FC248356E9E4EC82EEF0B860A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22767294078189995397608024781338835805031525993867892796788635057154725656010433452845562390951273191615460360045681135380239930745932902016080987387264674489331102161211662547968185487240974750000654313040110154641022104832662267479355606678963403253924435049703323668935738002908208617458333572190042422409934261489489 1568750;1479363946;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82AB4D785BE29BA4F82819B756FD4C737BE12D454FA61503DC0D3941D9756CA5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 23367462166727161356413813587321664763648141579069683825803546333954033728349342593735400442554183952496126472076974523503940476941207137859251894498952213358706982771889233358497185727076021862439401133871598339009882203677635930085381372957358738736651210094073526441316387510727309539061653503560433728126827733296740 1568751;1479364028;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/20FB5F37D04771E41D9770D1FDFF030548C93D525AF1A4F400C7BB8D4DE1086F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169742073757980925542349252311254093928438958205888458849126859225933485277664626851133513995161356687960403709531331805566334314487002796633337079152423478760503830327883074696812407228666258433297601392588300660326476705218614075302632865261842889181191188918303982080220714104184558897939941824237502618437 divides RS 1568752;1479364382;BingoBoingo;984!!! 1568753;1479364478;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/11C2941BA21C0A85716DE9005A3FE7B3CC06681A853D709C9E0416BDAD727A22 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 165531946892946845728132516780133822014094899716445078301158403837276550050847838635985835334524909692131787050363142899101320912986174069203272009932422993524218668338516713848999497024194535756460697486535322175061902949695948840104543208691931911936653275037534631165364223143168820006725469470816253674489 divides RS 1568754;1479364478;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2D569D0E1D2A0D34D3998C2E71FB3EF7BC122E3710D52D625A649AF0009E0D11 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 18962240417411823231652087552470842060166982875733621109482373316438111624315924304682568412080450388056029536610858668705127439473868072160146971995498427982305058937984265772315322569562673379756777166796431750229796052195784854502679729675197199473582629492888730524907993644111811831478160086683424150744227598781257 1568755;1479364478;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8E67DDE3533500E77FA8C51E6EB3C38801B39136B0AE3979A2EB5F7301754F32 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 20815034026922509551600726156986691750376643820197586654778558966767121048951787459486635336956236251317419394962888948488940258397331095157159155449977313387053529826127434552875167319686305203002635213706326995556842160460895387934985451038960806353345621371042152565841464944087740930952017659097486585835786161068325 1568756;1479364479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26FD36A26FBC025D9B11A94C8F68F681B35BA9B3C4EC7ADC4DAD355A0ED08788 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 19241497726009327819003775862845763136607323969261836875841906752310691280771428941057350981238980947941191820945419108911120556109266648688154523395328124363432746729287105724242442983250061704512405529335859720860573143019281030616728910942256995139532197449097647924899793296055891440960677397362842900862320307287131 1568757;1479364479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/91589181FEA3579137A15549D162A3670D7E059D0D4E003049D963BD87130956 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 155373223789434054929906241807330850955915637994339233088335154832216740432726953248504044476764806455803523381786669452900747283881602975204546875529673856080681235898432279166824903071411457597161092065895476165490371127940368325711740982232993924469434310322786669542881252908387433884959484211065002170907 divides RS 1568758;1479364479;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF35B7B027FC606808BB9F4E9CD945E26B94687DB39901834DF0B7219D2926DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24800757334312433435256665836537125688636447033443000948227422264038016131359633910259750016932722932806915013481391759553269565754707257367444703493288144712644998350709033053793336449248135078864571340092009355216700673420078634235117732401592733272059212222084673265392814801079891025113460352131512759114840795900223 1568759;1479364480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/53B3D0254CF8AC0B6C3581070415657B242D0DFB05C5427E5BA8D1C73C854A69 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 148820239987882245879182567258617031415896688940199290711523264205508662461006936697994175966807735565934044062683056519937617511285362808245725131388340615950077311936311560141460007167537315602640005225384420250122535206877830470167726309624187864570382327975098490760908608981570113140178895589665312074687 divides RS 1568760;1479364480;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D866B6999AE1EB5DAA9EE6479DE9309813A46682866F16EB82DD0D23758078DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 148820239987882245879182567258617031415896688940199290711523264205508662461006936697994175966807735565934044062683056519937617511285362808245725131388340615950077311936311560141460007167537315602640005225384420250122535206877830470167726309624187864570382327975098490760908608981570113140178895589665312074687 divides RS 1568761;1479364481;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4AC51CD92EA1B0DB6B4B09086403FC5B6768859923136A591A066FA8B1C64B16 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24662652013642881615202967830941918838385758458031184964259796639009048586795259954567020770125315703327165791764899041640436400469172361841319624068838312036014859987434956415759215269392135373497314765350266857634232931197976234999941360699045366372000052406691266718300183606061191522389306200554101754359055153744805 1568762;1479364481;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F3FEAE3935C367C7F32B69744F783714191DBA9B0C8A82671E2A6A22823893B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24662652013642881615202967830941918838385758458031184964259796639009048586795259954567020770125315703327165791764899041640436400469172361841319624068838312036014859987434956415759215269392135373497314765350266857634232931197976234999941360699045366372000052406691266718300183606061191522389306200554101754359055153744805 1568763;1479364482;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD8AEFACCCEA5D6F4608787B12F671EBA5CE9D963110008021D96473A87367E3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 24662652013642881615202967830941918838385758458031184964259796639009048586795259954567020770125315703327165791764899041640436400469172361841319624068838312036014859987434956415759215269392135373497314765350266857634232931197976234999941360699045366372000052406691266718300183606061191522389306200554101754359055153744805 1568764;1479364482;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6539A7693B9B0E9864C3C32D18E6C15A916F77A55F0C33C4A5CCEACAB1B28B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22042787846088407190387779888834837082960696620478671138687500732826018662452250069642856226031598481944472074754611651148077317237943921155935390092972830100782676072133314242671993227666679479326635512184956450696424728919522032774106231628509670812111895823289475602650972939897674700714887045207529763567938592003051 1568765;1479364483;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A33EB045C86401DA32C608696CB276FE7A645876416DE68A30B53AC512E96C86 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173991900084086453188391970102910323110338092243243430849827440703991683817704337821364963125372996951723346829924092615742672502796105924206695863197822233088214383200837023837906610699373735231204285737406281200672041330672839287905847746459769189916156903015650137243099890101850045850274712490632803415957 divides RS 1568766;1479364483;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/26B34D7B91815AFD7657F242ED2BA9E0C5BBF4C49E4702C5184EFE11B90491DA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173991900084086453188391970102910323110338092243243430849827440703991683817704337821364963125372996951723346829924092615742672502796105924206695863197822233088214383200837023837906610699373735231204285737406281200672041330672839287905847746459769189916156903015650137243099890101850045850274712490632803415957 divides RS 1568767;1479364484;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/421DC38687EB72BB8981CF8C43A033DB9FB5B83A7B60793B345E3C3BCFCACA03 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173991900084086453188391970102910323110338092243243430849827440703991683817704337821364963125372996951723346829924092615742672502796105924206695863197822233088214383200837023837906610699373735231204285737406281200672041330672839287905847746459769189916156903015650137243099890101850045850274712490632803415957 divides RS 1568768;1479364484;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7DDED78C5EC9781895DC8600C9B9804A599B4685A3ECC99E7F37CA6A0C6DF74C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173991900084086453188391970102910323110338092243243430849827440703991683817704337821364963125372996951723346829924092615742672502796105924206695863197822233088214383200837023837906610699373735231204285737406281200672041330672839287905847746459769189916156903015650137243099890101850045850274712490632803415957 divides RS 1568769;1479364485;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4CA540D702547B7AB5915F0BE6D5D82CC38A9FA634119813766C8DB7447AAF27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173991900084086453188391970102910323110338092243243430849827440703991683817704337821364963125372996951723346829924092615742672502796105924206695863197822233088214383200837023837906610699373735231204285737406281200672041330672839287905847746459769189916156903015650137243099890101850045850274712490632803415957 divides RS 1568770;1479364485;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB697FEDE88EA0D09D7F7BCB1381021B151A7BCE7024B977E15F7CAC6D211C3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173991900084086453188391970102910323110338092243243430849827440703991683817704337821364963125372996951723346829924092615742672502796105924206695863197822233088214383200837023837906610699373735231204285737406281200672041330672839287905847746459769189916156903015650137243099890101850045850274712490632803415957 divides RS 1568771;1479364486;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/92B015DAF7546D884014F3C010D951A42C757DE0C69FBE7C20770F00120F3F1E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 173991900084086453188391970102910323110338092243243430849827440703991683817704337821364963125372996951723346829924092615742672502796105924206695863197822233088214383200837023837906610699373735231204285737406281200672041330672839287905847746459769189916156903015650137243099890101850045850274712490632803415957 divides RS 1568772;1479365460;davout;toasting in epic primes 1568773;1479366215;mircea_popescu;wow 1568774;1479366282;mircea_popescu;dude i go out with the sluts for a few hours and you break the internets. 1568775;1479366300;mircea_popescu;scandalous. 1568776;1479366562;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568571 << nah it's pretty cool 1568777;1479366562;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 02:19 ben_vulpes: trivial wwwtronix 1568778;1479367902;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568643 << took all the factors found, tried the +- next primes ? 1568779;1479367902;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 05:44 asciilifeform promises a tall drink of your choice next we meet, to the 31111117 d000d who can immediately say how this was done. 1568780;1479371276;Framedragger;nicht so schlecht 1568781;1479371545;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161117/#94 << heh. 1568782;1479371545;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-17: [05:30:43] ok folx small experiment, brace yerselves 1568783;1479371821;Framedragger;ye olde debian prng bug => small set of possible ssh keys => factors extracted for keys => factors inserted into db? 1568784;1479371838;Framedragger;though, e==35 (not prime) in these it appears, so prolly not. 1568785;1479373470;Framedragger;http://m.bvulpes.com/b@bvulpes.com << cool stuff 1568786;1479373835;thestringpuller;looks like ViaBTC just openly confirmed mircea_popescu 's mining conspiracy. 1568787;1479373891;Framedragger;thestringpuller: you mean this? https://twitter.com/ViaBTC/status/797160809306714112?lang=en 1568788;1479374020;Framedragger;https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5ddiqw/im_haipo_yang_founder_and_ceo_of_viabtc_ask_me/da3rg4q/ << konspiracy-by-having-a-different-opinion-on-bitcoin :p 1568789;1479374042;Framedragger;ahh, i missed the qntra news item. 1568790;1479374348;thestringpuller;that's only the tip of the iceberg. he literally stated, "I've been having back room discussions with other miners." << only tip of iceberg 1568791;1479374563;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Have you applied for the Trumpreich's office of civil rights yet? 1568792;1479374646;vvande;Is there such a thing? 1568793;1479374659;vvande;I thought you'd have to be Christian. 1568794;1479374735;BingoBoingo;vvande: What's a Christian? danielpbarron keeps the dictionary definition of that one here and I think there's maybe 100-ish of those per said official definition. 1568795;1479374768;vvande;I was thinking of that Mike Pence guy. 1568796;1479374796;vvande;not looking good 1568797;1479377177;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Don't think I'll have time being a part-time farmer. Trying to figure out a way to grow seasonal foods indoors without true greenhouse but not 100% artificial light. Quite a pickle. 1568798;1479377249;thestringpuller;The spinach and tomatoes are doing good. But my peppers...not so much. 1568799;1479389903;asciilifeform;Framedragger is a winner 1568800;1479390564;asciilifeform;debian had 32768 (yes) possible ssh keys per size variant, 2006-2008, because of 'bug' (if you believe the 'accident' i have five or six bridges to sell you) 1568801;1479390731;asciilifeform;afaik there was never a public demolition derby of boxes still having these. now -- is. 1568802;1479390791;asciilifeform;all i had to do was, yes, stuff the factors of the above (6 sizes) in the 8ball. 1568803;1479390935;asciilifeform;btw many of these moduli have dozens or moar ips listed. 1568804;1479391043;asciilifeform;e.g., http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/45948965E0EA7BCD6CF97BE88DBCA524D63B37A2A9E5C5B1F3CC0B48D25FCC39 1568805;1479391131;asciilifeform;Framedragger: and we're only ~halfway through parcel no.4 from your set ! 1568806;1479391614;Framedragger;my gerd still so many of them in there 1568807;1479391931;mircea_popescu;aha! 1568808;1479392147;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568800 << bwahahahaha oookay. 1568809;1479392147;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 13:49 asciilifeform: debian had 32768 (yes) possible ssh keys per size variant, 2006-2008, because of 'bug' (if you believe the 'accident' i have five or six bridges to sell you) 1568810;1479392174;mircea_popescu;i am ill equipped to properly interpolate the imbecility of "computer experts" in the wild today. 1568811;1479392210;asciilifeform;i expected to find, eh, a dozen perhaps ... 1568812;1479392224;mircea_popescu;this definielly calls for a qntra 1568813;1479392229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform will you do the honors this time ? 1568814;1479392237;mircea_popescu;i feel kinda iffy authoring your research lol. 1568815;1479392244;asciilifeform;after the second bullet fires 1568816;1479392249;mircea_popescu;alrighty. 1568817;1479392266;asciilifeform;(i just threw in the 'q's , last night the 'p's ran) 1568818;1479392272;Framedragger;mircea_popescu may be interested to read about how it happened. i think it was some developer-helper tool / linter / sth which showed an 'unused var'? and dev removed it. and broke rng 1568819;1479392274;mircea_popescu;what's the score, 1.5k rape victims out of 100k hopefuls ie ~2% ? 1568820;1479392284;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: about. 1568821;1479392299;Framedragger;(well, so the story goes of course. either way, malice / insanity) 1568822;1479392307;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i have no time to read usg-ian cya documentations. 1568823;1479392311;Framedragger;:) 1568824;1479392312;asciilifeform;i'll have exact figure later. 1568825;1479392316;Framedragger;it's good amusement tho 1568826;1479392336;Framedragger;but yah. 1568827;1479392352;mircea_popescu;i can see that. not for me particularly though, every time slavegirl fucks up she has an explanation of "what she thought" in thsi vein. 1568828;1479392361;mircea_popescu;i always discard those also. 1568829;1479392375;asciilifeform;https://hdm.io/tools/debian-openssl/ << story of 'bug' 1568830;1479392404;mircea_popescu;it's more shocking than "rape" at first, but they get used to it eventually. 1568831;1479392458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a side-great thing would it be, to see if this method pops... non-debian moduli. 1568832;1479392462;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you retained the banners yes ? 1568833;1479392471;Framedragger;yes 1568834;1479392488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta what i was hoping to learn , in fact. 1568835;1479392490;mircea_popescu;when he's done run a diff between the ips of fucked moduli and your banners, then select distinct ? 1568836;1479392490;Framedragger;i can take a look at the data to see how easy would it be to stitch things up next ~wed 1568837;1479392512;Framedragger;okay sounds good, will do! 1568838;1479392526;mircea_popescu;odds are some systems even use the same thing unpatched to this day. 1568839;1479392529;Framedragger;(i hope they're in a decently parseable format, but i think they are) 1568840;1479392555;mircea_popescu;well if they aren't, someone's gotta have some 'splainin' to do :) 1568841;1479392569;Framedragger;i hear ya 1568842;1479392606;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i have small script that pulls'em out of curl http://phuctor......./phuctored 1568843;1479392613;asciilifeform;Framedragger: will suffice ? 1568844;1479392625;mircea_popescu;i think his concern was mostly with his data. 1568845;1479392629;asciilifeform;aah 1568846;1479392636;Framedragger;yes correct 1568847;1479392643;*;Framedragger afk for a bit 1568848;1479393058;mircea_popescu;and in other sweet 16s, notice the dribble. http://68.media.tumblr.com/c831dc88bddf02726cba195b5764512e/tumblr_msxya9bv0b1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1568849;1479393241;mircea_popescu;and in other side chuckles, everytime someone mentions me on reddit everyone KNOWS shit, in the sense of having personal library of "outrageous mp quotes", and the whole thing turns into a contest of whose list is better. 1568850;1479393253;mircea_popescu;almost like they're playing trilema-quotes the TCD. 1568851;1479393300;asciilifeform;l0l!! link?? 1568852;1479393347;mircea_popescu;well most recently https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5d9p6b/eitheror_ignore/ but really you can just do a search or something 1568853;1479393404;Framedragger;asciilifeform: does your script pull out only these debian-bullet-fucked moduli? would be nice to be able to distinguish in the-db-which-im-gonna-put-them-in 1568854;1479393428;mircea_popescu;afaik no because no dates. 1568855;1479393436;asciilifeform;yes dates 1568856;1479393441;mircea_popescu;then yes dates! 1568857;1479393470;asciilifeform;~but~ needs new script. i will make one later 1568858;1479393486;mircea_popescu;well not really, he just needs to discard everything prior to yest night 1568859;1479393504;Framedragger;cool. (no hurries as i'm busy with stuff till next ~wednesday anyway) 1568860;1479393552;asciilifeform;eventually i'ma add word 'debian' to the 'notes' field on these. 1568861;1479393552;mircea_popescu;phuctor, that improbable playground that just keeps right on giving. 1568862;1479393665;mircea_popescu;with a link to "Kurt Roeckx is a contemptible shithead" article i hope. 1568863;1479393698;asciilifeform;now mircea_popescu gotta make one neh? 1568864;1479393701;mircea_popescu;who you know, is ALSO on the "openssl team", where he does the exact same thing. 1568865;1479393707;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 1568866;1479393725;Framedragger;if i end up with any consultling work due to phuctor at some point in the future i'll commit to sharing some of the profitz lol. this is good stuff. which reminds me, is "We expect to add a detailed product page to the website" still happening? i'm just super curious 1568867;1479393793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't, not really. as pissed off as i/anyone can be, "What I currently see as best option is to actually comment out those 2 lines of code. But I have no idea what effect this really has on the RNG. The only effect I see is that the pool might receive less entropy. But on the other hand, I'm not even sure how much entropy some unitialised data has. What do you people think about removing those 2 lines of code? 1568868;1479393793;mircea_popescu;" actually protects him from my wrath. 1568869;1479393809;mircea_popescu;Framedragger hey, there's the republican tax, look into that. 1568870;1479393815;Framedragger;(and on a side note, "hang out on #trilema after splitting with gf" has been one of the more constructive choices i've made in my life) 1568871;1479393819;mircea_popescu;and yes it's still happening. 1568872;1479393826;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ya, aware of that. no revenue from bitcoin business yet tho :p 1568873;1479393842;mircea_popescu;well we were discussing a putative. 1568874;1479393854;Framedragger;sure - gotcha. 1568875;1479393856;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/131B8B1567EC823E10303E44743D0684073E0A1336B97E473975BC152A7B0210 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138058000925185313955031998353940445568291956531595643857419942610826686881436913691909939881671943665078816379732179492040035094709735753924634002939818476412205441735136720458674223637099576899392481563306612094961517581501702384295236885199239963556244807132980779008569355839955004337688365535458956450387 divides RS 1568876;1479393856;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5D63802567FDCC2F1B4553144B2A48FE96CD51B2BE2A66ACA5BB70EA1F3AE2E4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 136853065696880755947477711053457815822432477988906356583951662907554533591432420909186034795557553465189625334351227809149871871385109851834908941432094284373176034993658608334496655642793993799425933136245008869168011102542721174185419299564561147615751487908448385083324331288014518962265241235941703579883 divides RS 1568877;1479393856;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ED255F88CABCABF18981556CC3677AECBB4F4FE3785E68CD60776E032978629B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 164047965812669951626240179735438850342929010770293449594800458222309486739493805383427382255468200954832943548250089162546175410750014518324173469958995641273957345631611817860689915303537129018705132173562999065996337133794794855401915526398651031423458609062351280049095033766559682758352742160713901663969 divides RS 1568878;1479393856;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2DA123EB1CE71846BEFBD27EC6BA25DA9B8E42B52DA0FB9DE97C5F002EA5E235 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 144196864441040665582022890308538181416796810319778323217705985097135623119802964040754875037186856967435671478497530144274612438906669477472404194477636536448348724209273867668408396009366943879998198652427359163401134639097108681873609271909543872012767018518020927360250218018332410656460366739524923618969 divides RS 1568879;1479393856;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7A7F0159B9AC8854971ACC383B3BD62CE7287412F06B4C72DB37F2C399F8757B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 158021684842483270430667846659042958795086998614213467089139387690352087999811233969094522687226035709382511243838995242382920486260886370283438496400123122348137394146246457317200144027201529545702482562234099146389481635265127984944490046657287279711260983647588314163978877537031520181451599079363299715077 divides RS 1568880;1479393856;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B07091526B598DF7615BCEB55F93E54ECC28475F2640E73B9AA0A0E937997E0B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 142420850242589019661373256899005552977462565162668107777962567719625208536658370510241187744944032510580563979328348895320035672505961636229882434159575027364084160229337095928190940467311011422150128456491583265990837745764912121596675353924975258470174028349204956391169379190420823472095784423438921320687 divides RS 1568881;1479393857;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/428579680FAFF2D4A204271888CA5724268069CDE81F6785676621B1C33EA599 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 134916780117593758386043087788335705715329459959669016190028697236909428815226015727950900517013416343894508545113745979634294567856013424216297532785433453674791098254000123721002718322874028246049025760769824945603136284632985297508801794607193939306155335093428281192015893828474892266591112330404245979129 divides RS 1568882;1479393857;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5BCACD7B07B60A240EB484E38F792586156D6321A0908B6F94676A440A77643 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 146149481668809720201120831772284726959065054087600299339650243454518332376119726765634667205370142221825523491187308394092064811352332032302979024937042908881293490747794024301069061986577008023841646604033794177970327830801355784341797390706262032188603556296410927130355066285479330216269007488223319209023 divides RS 1568883;1479393858;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DBDB0B66BB5534E4D92F7C5262F6AEB6072593F5E7F351C76937843729B9D3BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140709115112886805899586585313594287403920851327919999002998720076838226018757045070895688098419062951773454205112127478407815120184158817068035224439587814384639357442323301775775527307357923917051002321540663659433995898527086194311840307019893240898727155487690824188124273546295344934783975771723390522383 divides RS 1568884;1479393858;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6102EA87FE52CC375BA253F774E7B717472B6413946F58BA52166A45D17297B9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 141621023113750660305994311358973628581655946102644476592804057956762953626051066749179731231939995411821772718815915027308857256800239646573470810930717614687617945103793565596921891535973329684261813329060681636449411000318375455881092068833611781672938901868971302109472849842348836811728031356343211699047 divides RS 1568885;1479393886;mircea_popescu;alf has finally found a way to spam the chan that won't have him send cents to tipjar. 1568886;1479393896;Framedragger;TIM-BER! 1568887;1479394051;asciilifeform;i really oughta do 'if isprime(modulus / factor0) addfactor(modulus / factor0)' 1568888;1479394067;asciilifeform;then we would not have to 'q'. 1568889;1479394082;mircea_popescu;yes. 1568890;1479394119;mircea_popescu;originally it was "oh whatever, it'll pop 0-epsilon, you can do those by hand. if you even have anything to do." 1568891;1479394129;mircea_popescu;by now it's an industrial sized hose, hundreds of items. 1568892;1479394138;asciilifeform;right, bulldozing 1568893;1479394221;asciilifeform;i would leave out the 'q' but it is theoretically possible that these will pop non-debian keyz... 1568894;1479394237;*;asciilifeform brb, food 1568895;1479394302;mircea_popescu;and if experience has taught us anything, it's that when discussing concrete crypto implementations "theoretically possible" means something like "it's theoretically possible leonardo de caprio's new girlfriend will also get dumped when she turns 25." 1568896;1479394366;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C9292CFC6D5FCF581A52CCF74824F8A2BD592BA59150D8FF9DDC3052EE0D5779 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 153792032495585037658747066482206794282418839461817477089203542303169209717577885818207334188345456461032787899615079331526247665180377042204809432201344625751517404930903344614691724960796258593276856242016087036003866566862824817039590785494946755909587638597707654262523656385004447531865559900547888412837 divides RS 1568897;1479394366;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/92E34CC6D766DA482A5E30D7E1AFEB21D1E61CC3312AAE27461E32434FB18A09 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 153792032495585037658747066482206794282418839461817477089203542303169209717577885818207334188345456461032787899615079331526247665180377042204809432201344625751517404930903344614691724960796258593276856242016087036003866566862824817039590785494946755909587638597707654262523656385004447531865559900547888412837 divides RS 1568898;1479394366;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C0D3E9174B8E0622A9B23E100059D46B9BF8823068142ADC8BC86A50AE94209E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 153792032495585037658747066482206794282418839461817477089203542303169209717577885818207334188345456461032787899615079331526247665180377042204809432201344625751517404930903344614691724960796258593276856242016087036003866566862824817039590785494946755909587638597707654262523656385004447531865559900547888412837 divides RS 1568899;1479394366;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01B6EA0685EA2F9767EA4A78BC9CB5F8C18AC86B7C8445B6A397DFD514A4A8DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568900;1479394366;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3941A608C303FBB0C29FC41B18A838A404C8827B86C83152B740407D84E0C882 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568901;1479394366;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/34ED2E75C2B425A4D126D91C68929A3AFB0773EF68D00DAAB964E960A15191AE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568902;1479394367;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D36A37479FC6233C7BDE6565B4480F0E6F33C9DF59D06612E4462AE9DCAF216 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568903;1479394367;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/64C203768393E373A57D449F033383BF7F9AFE7AFACF84EE675834E6C1BB940B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568904;1479394368;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A4AE959AF7BC6ACC77BA5D6E42FB91F2CCFA3EF5DC11E59D0295C9360E9CC52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568905;1479394368;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/93275AC29173040638DD97C91703AA8DBDB6AC5281D42BE866A57CC7057C7B3A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568906;1479394369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0FC9F16D76BC6BC918B8D81BB50258B229E3DAD940FB4F7A53069095C0B836A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568907;1479394369;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/224E9784A4F1B10C9134C939A9FB643F304306AAA5E5071C9758E2339DFADF74 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568908;1479394370;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A6A2CCFD91D8E0E08ACB65B515492E5540D8DBC98899B9E4C4982D940A298488 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568909;1479394370;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/233AA111786036F5FC0A4D9B780E25E18670BAE5AAB7A1A2EDF1F7BB9E1BB338 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140437611512717599336678969284676575170252250554334882586930911429002125260427435607796867035889113126573534663608317694257936723662068262671717362136282423577142292495186186726641979862454399873327238624528471394825119048302854297077371429103357191046218023917139965312702953366995647470104074696796672330177 divides RS 1568910;1479394371;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/49C4753B9C5947D58F2B4DFD9F688DD4F9E5C650A48D0ABF20D0BA753ADD1751 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 139434260430393822685422984707845192667774189377440616009206283940082289709686854325391038968833996548762968379665729643372225348466153807068077160802140263851963621893368763430776607707522852881557446140280315756438135086468408507910852008120162099312945304359111140165655942530681477775338121966828785906519 divides RS 1568911;1479394371;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C6BE36AFD8A9FFFBBBA3A130F3F6110D65FA76531BE39AB39C8DC7D1E0B1DF38 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 164027183815187196081252938949680164683324296283595972010404239413340940253124305829414079957496953500262096793531321766945413541406206656916098262029543184147540936200630519717875581209281582547347570064079615875433233342613700945283218414838225506928318375893651237022227421613226731353096634646864026792533 divides RS 1568912;1479394372;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0DB2DD80298CB23677DBE4383B96F6E4471246F2D59E3FC4B5498C65839B0E4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 153795584276150033163978881206166424633222635057937777823605573355444235692407791053430036105128881303842265095427517117648561976958882348448054131755121503067740901946324121946188125100781204680953322339957425155699028654886574771544774268573569942251910711963113902448925669576604997601133215973231450205473 divides RS 1568913;1479394372;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D216F5C5009A939F433A287BBB9C866509C5729334A5E03C7AEE53C75E3F1524 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 136158916242428545487465680939479821653038164419588436048895428732712857973049648027722943012650363641394735687458138748667929485436039832202821118472900058479012379006838010483546433175316846422735790169595924147979857577123497506493047576295092615314907579037486528180899454036104159095886857121501056459083 divides RS 1568914;1479394373;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BA5FE0DA59FE27DE63E988BEDCF197E7C7E591DD0009D8800A32E3DCFB14847F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 155289492912659395667829195173107218294651667905208438205428449834214473705732521605535825096488132700929535308224505348333022060410555751876680936450392343291045158729544452212107277408803549009841812565312533205743427221470638063295598619713458960799032919980452990646055756016920345037396871995826236449007 divides RS 1568915;1479394373;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E1BA47770F7FA1645CDC5DEE682A13DE40601DD8BFD52AC4B829FD625A13D103 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 155289492912659395667829195173107218294651667905208438205428449834214473705732521605535825096488132700929535308224505348333022060410555751876680936450392343291045158729544452212107277408803549009841812565312533205743427221470638063295598619713458960799032919980452990646055756016920345037396871995826236449007 divides RS 1568916;1479394374;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC96C2DD8496DB8D40F461BDD94A88140837DC7C0C4523A6895E4811E5FB8AD7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 136349245432549236489988456699555456634572740895679455517342654396948169268933250585970002934169984831252856300117732132729199395465933716978433955330074807687812601920235752698593553883078982606352930832649207501050167819504443691976989272041134711126147194188240122683685918062996608715219387751708857397569 divides RS 1568917;1479394491;Framedragger;btw, afaik lots of ssh *client* keys got generated this way. soo, ssh client key dump should be interesting... and it can also be used to, you know, directly own boxes. 1568918;1479394528;Framedragger;(though, iirc github removed shitty ssh client keys - don't recall when jurov collected them, i think he mentioned this) 1568919;1479394574;mircea_popescu;oyea. 1568920;1479394906;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/91CDFB79416975A8D0E4D3BC6A08D1D20C01E7F6424982901E983D3909489A76 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 144353152290141073674282546239412101371555464109160649801026629539546763663960844223102408955346719685251549905376481447972056421914135321181570902306522438838902116422126374041142869771525017738850023537732548267526203503086525580737239437864184241941166722437599609465039796714323744117860209258247497368513 divides RS 1568921;1479394906;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/085992B8D8802DDEBB8D719C776C686AE9C5935E071EA1CCEF54A59B07187FB7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 144353152290141073674282546239412101371555464109160649801026629539546763663960844223102408955346719685251549905376481447972056421914135321181570902306522438838902116422126374041142869771525017738850023537732548267526203503086525580737239437864184241941166722437599609465039796714323744117860209258247497368513 divides RS 1568922;1479394906;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/31FC474A0AB7FE236B5506A3B860B44E57F2F73A056A84CA88156E75454819C3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 141983836559297001940748462381810968324264992015127666165870626787666738495924916535799489595138363054797121495905966544725965382621938504206473022856864855221881994328213243971622408702941996200849594481891199870029225582600829006765307093259724949634832113657316279073942995455401719504765598812246022258673 divides RS 1568923;1479394906;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C9824D34523B1D0409888451CE9C52BF73375984744D33CC6B0D695EDDFE5331 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 136990149417163031751698217999660940926602984001173167059226419332185865408010706038583335181206158990600352483830530678150900700519414996206741104259916423880904706496732337436254262383066651458688775320779425864918199988388218443220426722483645016990915908804541210566195880303787744921416085318566674351263 divides RS 1568924;1479394906;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/98B1C1162B2FA5335327D4D546D0EA203C227A83477EB211942AA4BC92D5121B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 137085281883304261104082237997844390394767255205013213127596692512874998049555054014990731868448157484312042998117400200547900698877428179332117696577157175401262753039989964105768625218325815002595034744251786138576680950655502612298214782543907794076433103804604814480613858603939379247885108116319635861627 divides RS 1568925;1479394907;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7D849B6FEBF6635BD9EB53A5175CA4E0027B3F546B74E855A47360C6B151F6A3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 163333294206246558965263783517222299183360976131356636691228610578579060867744951898670527943713154073897523399520262016153635035277650993326229679621971477844496999492521689873790013605657448233969822746658528370349197673546532879741493452618498566267827992096541467859553664846478914914009064959102913808579 divides RS 1568926;1479394907;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65C15FB0DD9ADE7A9F3251D19663FA4A24EDEB55C3B04D6E8A1D559BE851B0AC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140573383622256193472577025353078509722952137971971933029295710358363368376792221182309247175471466903683633307908221808839462238931880454065801190203372618345321463098038074060596712288319275605732585597966168963354657012765621339991305845218938033530759474781493304606618133207026722709573856096499346967877 divides RS 1568927;1479394908;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/55BB3F0EC1383776D8E686AE4F114AEA52AF7A089D29318B81099D8F7AD476AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140573383622256193472577025353078509722952137971971933029295710358363368376792221182309247175471466903683633307908221808839462238931880454065801190203372618345321463098038074060596712288319275605732585597966168963354657012765621339991305845218938033530759474781493304606618133207026722709573856096499346967877 divides RS 1568928;1479394908;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2E852161B3AFDEEC61CFEEC4A066318B4D1F39166D45F785160AEDBB54FF35BC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140573383622256193472577025353078509722952137971971933029295710358363368376792221182309247175471466903683633307908221808839462238931880454065801190203372618345321463098038074060596712288319275605732585597966168963354657012765621339991305845218938033530759474781493304606618133207026722709573856096499346967877 divides RS 1568929;1479394909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B1AF4E1B6BE3A118BE517BC8D843C35C238AAD69FA9219B3B5FB8660990D9D52 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 154560692603044691521502725783406757955894330280238858223726665950553522995185187157801293984954484038161596589694775333112632971360000820343537302446509033231585673985962786466866138753477902156591756390103197658471486613640261501867799060779861580800930630181561417904332472049126623544694288973547998302039 divides RS 1568930;1479394909;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/54192E76AC6988FE7803667BD05672C504CE3E654F837FEF0CDEBC0FEF9F29A1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 154560692603044691521502725783406757955894330280238858223726665950553522995185187157801293984954484038161596589694775333112632971360000820343537302446509033231585673985962786466866138753477902156591756390103197658471486613640261501867799060779861580800930630181561417904332472049126623544694288973547998302039 divides RS 1568931;1479394910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2E42405024F84070A0D774445DAE4C553A05472FAEC57EA2B91103CC49AD5776 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 154560692603044691521502725783406757955894330280238858223726665950553522995185187157801293984954484038161596589694775333112632971360000820343537302446509033231585673985962786466866138753477902156591756390103197658471486613640261501867799060779861580800930630181561417904332472049126623544694288973547998302039 divides RS 1568932;1479394910;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01FF35E52C44535D14EFD1B7C3D3E106CBADDA58C7D29BE78F2B4859DE007D6C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 164876090693908254621494713325736554633882231898463870705024358045569669314462152477456842915777961047692672232468023005911916071693900061722715942854839102597255326744744985826101038748086107994723643089307181585940193089576791346257332666994793590839934537024151337597745815275303266992673490829305403410333 divides RS 1568933;1479394911;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/03A8EAB3D9EA0D01D6A2D20811E042A3AEA9F4726346E364FC863432DCD739C2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 146414120097941418359744949657105927897810792119216999490727236069373315396166360241700031054327701259281609980110970460231912630953140490580553569707357507708637054537689501713638516917990904190811473430092003080720318734033490512351973389483727538447126279772021532217684082812658101970002240411829424003277 divides RS 1568934;1479394911;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA4A9BAD6FE68F25BA9118C9E1EB41650FDF15738558D8BBFF74924F62B334DA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 146414120097941418359744949657105927897810792119216999490727236069373315396166360241700031054327701259281609980110970460231912630953140490580553569707357507708637054537689501713638516917990904190811473430092003080720318734033490512351973389483727538447126279772021532217684082812658101970002240411829424003277 divides RS 1568935;1479394912;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB0CB1918B33085235B53E1D8106D6A0E0AFD41326D0A6AEEB9992A7019F2930 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 158672366308443814876172098629342977893615647720926898247032229217573614430583518987780054701172199109571243433674361423987584607962543217018213432396611519704703439646448590780084455225222989596881964484307230888612395444007236745434160033426433829325321940154932495690483600800207428591354959004306789537367 divides RS 1568936;1479394912;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/86F26B190F0F65113B30E24D3063255AB546908E0EC6A7C047E7578D9721DEE3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 158672366308443814876172098629342977893615647720926898247032229217573614430583518987780054701172199109571243433674361423987584607962543217018213432396611519704703439646448590780084455225222989596881964484307230888612395444007236745434160033426433829325321940154932495690483600800207428591354959004306789537367 divides RS 1568937;1479394913;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/901462B272B4C4254DDF0DCACF0CE5D97ACF092123DABF9B493FB27F45C64B3C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 158672366308443814876172098629342977893615647720926898247032229217573614430583518987780054701172199109571243433674361423987584607962543217018213432396611519704703439646448590780084455225222989596881964484307230888612395444007236745434160033426433829325321940154932495690483600800207428591354959004306789537367 divides RS 1568938;1479394913;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F5735C36B8D65ACDA03194D3081F61B803499107918E9DCAC5DCA4045E2B364 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 158672366308443814876172098629342977893615647720926898247032229217573614430583518987780054701172199109571243433674361423987584607962543217018213432396611519704703439646448590780084455225222989596881964484307230888612395444007236745434160033426433829325321940154932495690483600800207428591354959004306789537367 divides RS 1568939;1479394914;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/38B533360606380167AE08799401DCBF462E8E979668DCB6CE3D324D9D237FF2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 159594681211570765714308266917634257029703422932625620948582323387939522650456110565378558811203579059215237599161393938533140646619279243763691501338875283058997619230768255382465164353440673095921647374910634002679362578114107844540700824495812336606071478338353175367082124289074376722614819065460357411623 divides RS 1568940;1479395169;mircea_popescu;trinque can deedbot rss parsing be unprincipledly altered so that any succession of alphanum characters in excess of 16 spaces is replaced with first4[...]last4 ? 1568941;1479395200;mircea_popescu;you're the right guy to ask, because the provider rss should give out real data, but to spit out in the channel because of line limit rules you're excused to shorten. 1568942;1479395267;shinohai;Phuctor is all happy this morning I see 1568943;1479395383;mircea_popescu;aha 1568944;1479395446;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B61DE077CA576574EA1207D6CCF135C8E4622FEC03B93D53A1EAC206A4F87AD2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 149339513533688026744677742888714617396011703377358489120221846231307825515495119363378837938686900980402643145338290238304346770017619950916446878751455808705400808844132699405256738138910082435497239206341714117105970749213264651869636757734214272658172301988152839609489169094598188582339377555071599019459 divides RS 1568945;1479395446;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/14072FB2079FA281E03F58C6A06B5D9BFE5265E4C4EC9143F11EB72C68BB0368 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 157065818638381983952612488558618175805234051543986643731825330171597648183110730300009574419189165718200088609531572154609495832713485401742154824071907981888143908512746116083118977466308596760426548753173407843963751065019925661854542776270812909495548380357784963761875257367217356534629166128899872839153 divides RS 1568946;1479395446;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C1FDE2D08581DAD4A23E3218195ABAAC0ECCE0682599FA5F40C9FF2DD8415481 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138646601378927536239953744308904771599954476664841317079443613578009249465902964155279872325969065628743711281361276316502913811133028624388244642209960878760058380500099008908987322517718192976435412485575877312808354759951734783552900391313794452776663751723147566394550831435086096653684309185058633928637 divides RS 1568947;1479395446;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7B7BCE25B45196D423E7F407212803610D2F39EE2D7AF84F07DC7940306A28F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 154890266881642736532316477847819278702848106273782148800854927588473642315904954562394108324957783876477234112216221537545781742971875888178304703153035389365621009101743986254521556450607520344704490351653404371633897988068631642616716890906366383679076468763252371171615126420813966758591002664600186667709 divides RS 1568948;1479395447;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6BF3613355ECB3BACA9F25F98A683B00594C9747FACDB5F407E60B2084E5F935 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 146435972260712857206745103677240718409771553513569236588761532109926917920675163551926245983407177694781320672814786202400998831721525119909068621900369863196996156595180402857542808175426345172944004156562165253719363097776841750816652417885774069634370300956103694972132649405854487638917585431239580091003 divides RS 1568949;1479395447;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7F924B05F09F58329EAD65C8BB8CE61153C5F633C6290FF252FD80D39FE8214 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 151484898172074318686102822009105062066962208790382510403414379348213030521048482249898656794380474558821371031424922076911431005862435837769473960762293741924330054606772114200941976146510841959742780312099329241010005828801704755121904333497822017713289730469586281333333136151970830833566171327239660344493 divides RS 1568950;1479395448;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D9FEE2388A7CC740E57337D391ECCA7B23258302EB53F6BFCE5D69C5BBFDD409 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 150215731565642446700171175583994017893484216170747332685376482099188847093207164359542604517657112438089781830030110585990739316709022647053161819177064633153127693275629733793274873855656556817990310917069423597523009325964063858269862714619963391905748484819839518030123368471955846587350158649888008824197 divides RS 1568951;1479395448;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/19AA4A15232001F507BFE5CD802184190A76427B978524EB91EC1D692BF21920 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 141284016430708411330888953840574893624710607568704789500933274127989186243302784893095633438338986937254956571027710982863409239708567602991854213307041835064614545696683805627571029211971855182296503655154848496680134264479748822978694293970542915614187709417057080126161180777679684015052861168237220603009 divides RS 1568952;1479395449;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0E8BFD5F6E201E1D618CA3BB1829739067EFE6F5E28BF0EAD2F633D21F8A547 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 135087451308348480221624986663860615387117343091279765141046224948782226833975027337908049481247432011873624775532060911327865356321412667462634719706632369867229351522517726915720884876476274254283545047244113536306150748222719565131819325897896152750401130617360295474820771269443825375951271508265039395703 divides RS 1568953;1479395449;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1065EBF265978B0E546756BDC8DFEB667FFE9579D8B531BF1202F1DADD72F344 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 135087451308348480221624986663860615387117343091279765141046224948782226833975027337908049481247432011873624775532060911327865356321412667462634719706632369867229351522517726915720884876476274254283545047244113536306150748222719565131819325897896152750401130617360295474820771269443825375951271508265039395703 divides RS 1568954;1479395450;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D33574B44EC80345F1BCCB3AB7D27BEA81F167AAFA7226DE7D2C1B47E0C971F0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 135087451308348480221624986663860615387117343091279765141046224948782226833975027337908049481247432011873624775532060911327865356321412667462634719706632369867229351522517726915720884876476274254283545047244113536306150748222719565131819325897896152750401130617360295474820771269443825375951271508265039395703 divides RS 1568955;1479395450;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BB48737AF0A33A18D4E1AFE022CEE45172515FC8ED3666E1C7845636D88EB75D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 135087451308348480221624986663860615387117343091279765141046224948782226833975027337908049481247432011873624775532060911327865356321412667462634719706632369867229351522517726915720884876476274254283545047244113536306150748222719565131819325897896152750401130617360295474820771269443825375951271508265039395703 divides RS 1568956;1479395451;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2A8CB526E1E8F1880847051BF28F46EA1118C7C4382562A56897F84B73801616 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 135087451308348480221624986663860615387117343091279765141046224948782226833975027337908049481247432011873624775532060911327865356321412667462634719706632369867229351522517726915720884876476274254283545047244113536306150748222719565131819325897896152750401130617360295474820771269443825375951271508265039395703 divides RS 1568957;1479395451;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/84C1CA02F07977018577FFEFC263DEB7C69DC088F99A3C6FD9AA0C4DF118CBB3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 135087451308348480221624986663860615387117343091279765141046224948782226833975027337908049481247432011873624775532060911327865356321412667462634719706632369867229351522517726915720884876476274254283545047244113536306150748222719565131819325897896152750401130617360295474820771269443825375951271508265039395703 divides RS 1568958;1479395452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE428167F73189D83EF20C09443DB186FFE3A7B1E83895F4D398B7B66668FDED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 159920102398870756144575243167430826475752265872910929513200732299338276443553073517932082183878834282532383112240219262154148675264796603150022508561688228224271442680056106540813877715858596806078979974502151024308884912498188391918923039329444221598536002321509524968887403623080605521608230768133686550343 divides RS 1568959;1479395537;mircea_popescu;we certainly see the wisdom of phf's graying out the bot. 1568960;1479395986;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C903C7010FC1D9AEE46829718E4254A7B8D50D1881A45D69B1773F5180BD0010 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 153547740483340074608973956238040086870558749247705098324444500352304873683307809275288116818299855428168655131136493335030951817565959438443608225976140259955360442475661817897739387198184024292679104372090846371900725572655271212536525047102028568838363716099327346158781266692450875467260084919694709294167 divides RS 1568961;1479395987;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E7E79CB8E406C9FD75E7F13D59392AE22CA0F697428E8258FB07E4D288BAF3F0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 137839686786758699737970824873733517174532383007231290241076833227868468562604067820596450759131013417550322875617263576082000508575675143103567097707045653937521595642006386016444514687208027813416954357725665206264223963817360501850058411235521540182577175122057656042558704765751600644520082109341622656773 divides RS 1568962;1479395987;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2CE91E7EF397DAB25023970B4696AF033D40CC97B96C726C0906EF60F9FD77B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 150260839409424629342116012812608052638041818170507186834058662981942857887005874436581304055677407235721671811848890761095669961591489495226000436261452700145335140412861693729703080495224575884171962838717589514493681098883075127567055175220767286227389714276002406434003351143514439031897631573826343457369 divides RS 1568963;1479395987;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A4446E29F632C1BB97B84C66F1A6565BFC1A865B4D6B1B8FBC3417E3D1AAE353 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 142326281718304656290104717123547784813173955146700484418636123380133227181385344404675508140194411365827590599132350878090948459451770833987428846805173081753813435895080407045991395978716412549937441775608553879007255951149184881443996372824753336886841775846315413369085145263298778245002963881370523270229 divides RS 1568964;1479395987;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0913FE5562069534352FC54A7FF66AB599DC9B099561C1DC89808C36A1132F08 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138323265227069555844903661157408073824137319249257860560687761532043945481990953096759089390524283460644762099563044068815668600298333889475819329005234114157991430866607964501500482290891766038442385530040416427027861660860996396695573812718847495008907536767726681571991455535778513451790228856757995856087 divides RS 1568965;1479395987;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ADAE394D07E8D05CBAD06F577C47E9CEEE3FC2FF4487A60CC6B0A04F10F9D754 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167968168563773712622228080226353330105430946416050633981678101725088165317718108949649012115335443190172863218306371533315950476059543549420444917590385865321180037580566099769389566441007571695166162563695795922965739741226539714093957884331985597607253729729142214822579905388554270603831529735284716881223 divides RS 1568966;1479395988;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1ACCA3AD58BFB1A45DA1F6D366E82C244B4AC6B12398CA5EA3A73D7F0FA646F8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167968168563773712622228080226353330105430946416050633981678101725088165317718108949649012115335443190172863218306371533315950476059543549420444917590385865321180037580566099769389566441007571695166162563695795922965739741226539714093957884331985597607253729729142214822579905388554270603831529735284716881223 divides RS 1568967;1479395988;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0F145E9C2C357FD0F0739A5BD94FC70540593E56EFA515BB48ECCB47070C7BBE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 139085740376079639769401110643588582675377932804198638731772226906013275463601786322590963496842477823987846138461036571396032447563505436252927970058132167706501378983532552839892960262070417459860160365274157774525851046677666381993304923768322879184222713480804347375672437736514397679307991702601014050707 divides RS 1568968;1479395989;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CA7C6A23A4AAA52CC6040274C2A39C9CC92F181DE76C97C246F6FAD4B4E2A65D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140055241293619620583247189338974153628595735771066173248822069037770241608371197828953620231984059495908769211416147542633446685682812138794324047762434717638002693748417637497255168539443670170589794859099521870568401873480708018149806050805837990934088757555901842147796492290689432451781438960833950402779 divides RS 1568969;1479395989;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E37FBFF59CABBEB221E6332865E8513D50EBAE1352A75C56A92794A0B50770ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 160213992548964674385449575822379233315948028148804485371585854771322573060662404818743286436356320175854567478467425376353335604769904915384902179168031340695622010687961584374896914016444193223404656247133053803812491059905929037629301006409392089629717272692250927448132374898559519447601633262887750447693 divides RS 1568970;1479395990;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9A722E5BF5484670B724C23B3994A39B289E4D1752B5686D64F7C73D75A943E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 140882766890160786749373728718861028404109489861023524933383960225343162981216006671900000392217714363634213813851454139904865544606807892355898838746841238711350309617113292921540842148810018484128739489089001881607725616220969704384406527167945478399663467824560958034249305017320197656794005498281588952513 divides RS 1568971;1479396002;mod6;wow 1568972;1479396031;Framedragger;i take it feed is truncated due to rss / whatever - the actual amounts are much larger 1568973;1479396068;Framedragger;"fix your broken shitty keys" as a service anyone? :p 1568974;1479396527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AEACE7614AF094B4718546C300D2CD1E30CF52F0313D1A082D7B3B36F0E90BF7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 169744310514683079298401063029417530075695316447876624211640965799575911353838216476029421631601490717817045928478429965416937952882632355567824199532054980193270832236810680018772711818038999148205224708382638112659993370180834650439338643080911808064946043135929959879498166178136746726130862166264652739723 divides RS 1568975;1479396527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73CD2DCD42B30067D83137EF2E966865E3495A23A428282657F8D390A5CFB927 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 147729275624706107764329004140293025351419783045861345249461828728207041055698546605875033276382179450005160358756385433458364461791991782683128142767838903456942341086512683635779390892302768905258170530282333891741711413138542458544649867491035437534305790723927684949696342194910896124755419417952051857793 divides RS 1568976;1479396527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6D2746D7774671852DB42A2DEB6CFCD9945CE826460F817D40362853A2F73FE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138743037354333753404459620109726540793664443647718252853244586498137489465637654591965318523105527015788203626447724636593456976712927581914008023173645592407315253231999487863328766732850409025147136158403565304015826322072942492424528375439664705501188770045601444181095834245840893590553783830848296407557 divides RS 1568977;1479396527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/04887CB6FA0D161AA81B241D179565EEBF01232BB16F27A03FFADB056A57575A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 171952130152960101453858016111468488572927217681995082973829166385750377295382610535913965075810578019625280574916274803893231167974241199993458932972790602244678491915302095226806660398699693223144991618801633818284813716782284599994542665216686280554608178157044743967836316487630034911971849282053580619809 divides RS 1568978;1479396527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6484921F7FE4E32BD548465F93B822A895B7885BD9B223ED053FF5F08664CBD7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 161570562126011116275867297330920721180460146483084817611432910922083984658966957970426393013400950151234875868583408114796945837668175937875714308365570874152061863756380627164053148696756567209924222170969556947858746284790470148466619525152991280157438394958575036818331803724456283569756181792882810708113 divides RS 1568979;1479396527;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5838F10688E9866AE395FBCAD1793D959414945BD47C8A0A7BCB317BF688F474 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 156850589063992856208876279601320397331564902259998545262618246017623575058391717789894266623268837468987210728470871113043516864634229073022713026800101118270448700227177838711361403688089163333946571125236942285729399910645665498930983833315489102816529092867703213521962072113533497793440739080226504746397 divides RS 1568980;1479396528;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC0248C586FC36A811BB1CC471817ADF346B68962B0EC2248F40505248BA6136 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 152762589427941174992565004670689326096932704557923659463948795515986997286401760650822402606753756500993542638109677115172974961088996711807820803904305177375082630527852121925782452947099081890906560386833870394182257689606875663120346983660984916331593556683057902159145435965914693836913652728136021641769 divides RS 1568981;1479396528;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F2255510CE5DE9E40E18EDEB9E6487407AF2817474F83D96A1EE36413CFE5CD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 153327355989764298545851738980856613775506506895144363374764805749606020356838976514863552472852954974444714157110951347898857660747391773121677315242851439373241917377299532201959931616046958583339287002502356845796520691946209852608884389170239220731175937930363018140026081349851908399899117631403919484243 divides RS 1568982;1479396529;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6DBE81FCE23BFB49D91AD13552F9347F29E796FFB67390921B0E054AE263149F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 147217955512743353164465024306527302689236776637047030027583091783249580830777573271854290861388636061708795813769945390104559659395144639894837548576639685628351655313525225176662931769676122992667485677490953092366977782450243378053055247795883461750472232940926359027858604772363345756198132471904530105437 divides RS 1568983;1479396529;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C72EF1CF436CDD02E99D184B7FABFA1EA074AF9913913E184360E33F21D37A84 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 146274283332666541008885248454186573037541672811984657873505970614924228848531732890153820611510523203593337181017847960217334237609186415893476109485204434469145017390745716873419237944109079624927850931346986620081277988433619394364520026068769825035929912393129841710305029528636466750953518734554075615763 divides RS 1568984;1479396583;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeah whenever deedbot polls it gets the last 10. but in that interval the rss could have updated 500 times even 1568985;1479396624;mircea_popescu;kinda the problem with rss and in general with pull-notify : the polling interval is a magic number. 1568986;1479396792;asciilifeform;my rss windows was 25. wholly arbitrarily. 1568987;1479396795;asciilifeform;*window 1568988;1479396878;asciilifeform;ipinfo: 217.67.221.2, No Hostname, Warsaw, Masovian Voivodeship, PL << lel 1568989;1479396878;mircea_popescu;aha. 1568990;1479396893;asciilifeform;ipinfo: 206.123.115.7, No Hostname, St Louis, Missouri << BingoBoingo maybe knock on yer neigbour's door ! 1568991;1479396909;asciilifeform;buncha buenos aires btw. 1568992;1479396936;mircea_popescu;yeah. the latino 3rd worlders are high on "open source" without understanding much of it / the context. 1568993;1479396942;mircea_popescu;exactly like the germans, really. 1568994;1479396964;asciilifeform;like entire planet3 1568995;1479396974;asciilifeform;i dun see any regional gaps in there, with naked eye. 1568996;1479396991;mircea_popescu;not that much... china. 1568997;1479396993;asciilifeform;everyone from arctic circle to patagonia, appears. 1568998;1479396995;asciilifeform;china also. 1568999;1479397005;asciilifeform;(over-represented in the earlier pops in fact) 1569000;1479397010;mircea_popescu;yeah but seems underrepresented. mebbe not looking close enough 1569001;1479397011;mircea_popescu;o ? 1569002;1479397045;mircea_popescu;ah i guess that's it, i didn't look at the right segment. these ARE ips after all, they're not geodistributed evenly. 1569003;1479397046;asciilifeform;then again i have nfi re the accuracy, my source is the geo-estimator kako added to his log... 1569004;1479397067;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7671B37917565B4196D0790E0A204BA0DEF3AAF113EDB29667B989EC44065C7E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 139459415052684137155988694245137400306337694858701863575393630991218734635141262823309961634952967482433316157187163148904952906916098252642929515391548314794654373884452907058427094725524611759008300940041816471852143513013269757942719280072065263833291424475158951591319049654854445208075673126034923055253 divides RS 1569005;1479397067;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/03E1C31F41E938593F0DC6B8CF6477A967B5778CD476F85610D60F89535C8EFE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 151528321068865568163949816052282755511998280713377573029983670193372299200975176878077309319324386293376145318178616395725969630078111996254787966250949747498684171218174750930386497678214013543002370298985931191603518911932697554981241698725736744828181165050674525447819054432353045262426767090987186844163 divides RS 1569006;1479397067;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6B71BDD6A60051FAC35AA6CD2041ED830A51A1BEECD56AB8AFB98AF6F36FC73A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 149673998964676426543764881537499527368467929449568996410268254672818303437954664128947637589254360927727910553685677992045224322183041942571017285563729721862683191868680398240553161532096071987164994792885427202573092307497244192466810050435436442991557353399639097870389921194137630802355136666781477904817 divides RS 1569007;1479397067;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07322691E639F16403D8B1E15D6F1DD780BAF4094CC3B036BB383699609F5175 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 161949109875736774801331829766198364668133650937843418436447405904543522293858853780506941771326199130270518957820681461067250439612666641642642909402482834099783165256642153687424252884509571708311912964996864954013341463733901897389690769957100515623770535640913607616513231594758752821204232808540149193523 divides RS 1569008;1479397067;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/70C39DB9CB196B6F5AEC13A8F42759BFD6DB9FA59A3F07804E0BE6E1996C4003 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 161949109875736774801331829766198364668133650937843418436447405904543522293858853780506941771326199130270518957820681461067250439612666641642642909402482834099783165256642153687424252884509571708311912964996864954013341463733901897389690769957100515623770535640913607616513231594758752821204232808540149193523 divides RS 1569009;1479397067;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/878B97A91FA5E05957E79B41A01FE1CDBAC9532B924013ECCE1BFD9374EC21F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 175725874768398543115762787849515961873831665300653406042070930600975204132871682480070441227693954289252622892599134069803366186896886004811142413448704301737535006217944447343258959686062879944864259486898260510871435068319715987272953101255951528425535898241329864832418506242104690091732214647004296058983 divides RS 1569010;1479397068;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73BDEFDF2FEC54278AC72DCE8E72DD867EEEAECE78196662719DDEF99613D758 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 153396089684093819706989900538885403569125890842074893873140496583631792440534710054207804253189230891398102053878345350167316840848054693592918180504977140950244291934684669587099367555612513552303706895754435134176497456385628270670723399624367687660820411817684768606031575333758211545101052820803495207679 divides RS 1569011;1479397068;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AB5B599899234932089F7C778A7274892DD3366D27E60986DA1E2E6FB86C136 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 150928249267597362592221190643878866130014829186543310888834614766807185050906851736027584606358206797735649039073067075793329894283616905283910808849424762244170133417571033780715026656165406181507526505742757263315864068911883667541153947718941567809976499520825791891254763698833369263737644885058304631993 divides RS 1569012;1479397069;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6F9CF3D3841D8F999F338B4FC5018F672FABFC4C0F8981E36828052090D2D578 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138683613630487707262709596910735455714576651807770842400192253366299491448386280513245358446293268314086078462361020571827036920953510180642139748776929876562289746971766750019978227401218134860844717475602448493213371840616882988996995503567102225319462024399130642234624433993076278265588478559769425885377 divides RS 1569013;1479397069;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BBF42556EBA276A4A079041CEB5BFA6B07BD713FAF4FC9668517A1BF11F55D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138683613630487707262709596910735455714576651807770842400192253366299491448386280513245358446293268314086078462361020571827036920953510180642139748776929876562289746971766750019978227401218134860844717475602448493213371840616882988996995503567102225319462024399130642234624433993076278265588478559769425885377 divides RS 1569014;1479397070;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D9E679D00131FC83072AAB5EA45FD66E62B8EB9A7DB9FFF5BC73843FC69CCFD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 163010948467615126447306951236689536363620329800496497335727413210412000726413560603554650930608891321363417495778691859777301422851847639398447698674940529251935116795076924077242143633948429571826197583898710135788136111416501902671549203333086573633459464403942062836581613537492923304696594714892388792327 divides RS 1569015;1479397070;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B33F1815691F1016D0504E1573241D75712A8898D10F2E67D1115E7360077322 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 163979160076808372575151804164183978745661676432980855331185061479136067722854914458861501482388122567889542890713224450217427835816352244762737027350687202380658098831368423761908648794108175397947705039001722443911018170467435353924003659890142654237365056330693348144767314728205981936051493870118783042889 divides RS 1569016;1479397080;asciilifeform;lel, another buenos aires 1569017;1479397085;mircea_popescu;at least the bot is QUICK, we've established that much. 1569018;1479397103;asciilifeform;and lelx2, davos 1569019;1479397130;asciilifeform;'ipinfo: 195.176.244.110, No Hostname, Davos Dorf, Grisons, CH, 46.8040,9.8353, AS559 SWITCH, 7260' 1569020;1479397138;asciilifeform;lel, pbx ?! 1569021;1479397199;mircea_popescu;o.O 1569022;1479397201;asciilifeform;btw everyone probably remembers this from the golden olden debian days, but these chumps tend to also have remote ssh login with debianized keyz 1569023;1479397215;mircea_popescu;aha. 1569024;1479397230;mircea_popescu;holy shit they actually have an ip gate for the old trunked phonelines ? 1569025;1479397247;asciilifeform;most of planet does at this point, even ex-su countries 1569026;1479397261;mircea_popescu;but why. 1569027;1479397267;asciilifeform;cheapolade. 1569028;1479397314;phf;mircea_popescu: did we lose btcbase.org domain? dig doesn't resolve it to anything 1569029;1479397335;asciilifeform;phf: i thought it was yours..? 1569030;1479397351;mircea_popescu;i think i was hosting it for him. 1569031;1479397353;phf;asciilifeform: nope, domain registration is mircea_popescu's 1569032;1479397357;mircea_popescu;phf i don't expect lost, but there seems to be some wtf with the dns 1569033;1479397375;asciilifeform;ah hm so i was wrong to assume that i nailed the box with last night's atrocities 1569034;1479397386;mircea_popescu;i think registrar switch trashed records or some other passive-agressive idiocy 1569035;1479397396;mircea_popescu;because hey, why do we have these idiots if not to bother and disturb. 1569036;1479397436;mircea_popescu;neways im looking into it. 1569037;1479397441;phf;kk 1569038;1479397472;mircea_popescu;phf i see : "btcbase.org (None) ns-usa.topdns.com,ns-canada.topdns.com 2013-04-29 2018-04-29 Active" 1569039;1479397478;mircea_popescu;are the ns wrong ? 1569040;1479397551;phf;seem to be, doing dig btcbase.org @ns-usa.topdns.com directly returns empty record 1569041;1479397561;mircea_popescu;what ns would you like me to use ? 1569042;1479397607;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CDD63AA52CEBB28FC8E7186A2986FB28D93D921439EAEB6B0A58B5C08D0E501 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 154140295515442309665430201786690347561059098066092130615202306521484202769826537193806118617463400384210542462090039348933845157422608252677342703846720801345077278653746684559302540470158610536047291008800307006514206595071656980382137149727786139707807789659665413047986985543288672067214917730300632014777 divides RS 1569043;1479397607;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9C9B47943561621C1DBF5D2E5B295D9159B011712B30D348C175039DAA3B01CB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 152384517745347067418527388597860193312164845778098056255373935015157704534885284485805448300239703071328854338137136900548214901755689371353075272179424301057040822300904438833932273178446384192810803138427879259478644127580890518495787436053615063837454718886127595255548906102640946675707744351245713969273 divides RS 1569044;1479397607;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/ABA77E504EEFCCDF19BE031830B4478678936AB08CF7A6D0FDE49B2DC0F69F4A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 152384517745347067418527388597860193312164845778098056255373935015157704534885284485805448300239703071328854338137136900548214901755689371353075272179424301057040822300904438833932273178446384192810803138427879259478644127580890518495787436053615063837454718886127595255548906102640946675707744351245713969273 divides RS 1569045;1479397607;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1F88EA8D12BC99FC53C4CBBC748B4B034D92DFDCE3891F1BC3D22AF09406E533 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 145149568810010413745550693232041659832532589426469196620226132142842460023862219179310894860465690637702937146300130461331956988158486464007708670653440510679540444085715576735507645701355266875343951003966656973899874126877569435486915480053780754528751293040924286212470580394820202185371728193768097417173 divides RS 1569046;1479397607;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EAC4FE001251B3B6126F3B00DDB71A3FECD38517CBE7102FF98FCADF8D80CAAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 151780988775196714465618124042758392071615947192803244637233842257250708506599152229710270847485979240435980191848211022203619477763639365978556649216448837472316383811522185070225042390625259843406154430551905624045318501326980256598509633634613772479508646415031527844005358571238096441750873959293849857479 divides RS 1569047;1479397607;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BDB1AD1D057B2DC54D6CC0707A297B21FC8FF7F6F7E09C229662EE3AA60EAA55 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 166130800327559465891317436710608718180654723206678131999712788509827329315873853655035623311953851786878298144515441592968255787060930286451139912954749462647405174886489973334675608985440095232690636378336703020524458328603618304997854919606252105807122132525831913333187064072766649076407718138373689080943 divides RS 1569048;1479397608;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C13CE7E88902911352A405415CF34B13F4972383BACEE73EB005FF1B68EB421 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 139235031822768836611237312668142397284055754979164693558328935200537105165046161737782853522518464539690959618530221189399071927152400429346844848746780312089494690846718202753185225663121353102755659056267957654091441554048732500224679576711024969739607204564268280375047732987953661942574974642246276850663 divides RS 1569049;1479397608;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4E746163AD15A8381488D589F8ABDE2B687CEB07467F1292C0A3FF1C6E8B2C70 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 155477178792333905454400293377662168556071571999032856546390014141209425160281720096182520225436323041519701344285551600882048905378249762401541374083347746763053459373958286412297550031596226589343647311565502818792688019961822996300978207338597928414317490183210467915374072836469873711409297371377537865487 divides RS 1569050;1479397609;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BE8DD3409DF8FC583614196E739E32B6E605EF1538A9859BDEEE9ACB89100C82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 164615646976155061406678425908479686966321200272098660824761202618284183374192132376242811773031267363447021999101545826029333954690177203187576483572518383080626716895020749692882244598394763426464448385682808395715931709949859613675631738484818921545809422951105593689768945965442780887581019875923975637463 divides RS 1569051;1479397609;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DEAD66F8CEC1B5F1A272D26703CB454457AE007ED34D0A1E4A975F622415FAFA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 150217006913237445648431843311924694828778440828485073893208591285326461961863407521884877598352434732746894431877764774034100983392868164841272023081593102851464202460680789077607981899960605716990104733268606186695718531088504788672586005719688724761503292190087463143275648956896385390340640276471570621543 divides RS 1569052;1479397610;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A00E74ADDFD3C4D5A0B1214F6EB985EB4230C8C8C6C881B971BA8DFC49934E69 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 150217006913237445648431843311924694828778440828485073893208591285326461961863407521884877598352434732746894431877764774034100983392868164841272023081593102851464202460680789077607981899960605716990104733268606186695718531088504788672586005719688724761503292190087463143275648956896385390340640276471570621543 divides RS 1569053;1479397610;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE74C93654E496E575B2687A61EF721BE01AC72C7FF3134EA31793D72C4C3140 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 150217006913237445648431843311924694828778440828485073893208591285326461961863407521884877598352434732746894431877764774034100983392868164841272023081593102851464202460680789077607981899960605716990104733268606186695718531088504788672586005719688724761503292190087463143275648956896385390340640276471570621543 divides RS 1569054;1479397611;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C0A35E1A4E646495BD244F020D7BB7A3B691ADF6C69FB50E3E740C57E2BD1ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 146911061111276538148006986046786878685853576185084924144442796245430404153564275343491864369023394742477072650524055067412191948997337738638950466750454467704914786058529702653720060285151268980327334827286643976406186940983982190457902341412478885604082250467454798970871909724182157334814814055047215277319 divides RS 1569055;1479397655;asciilifeform;' ipinfo: 222.161.13.59, No Hostname, Changchun, Jilin, CN, 43.8800,125.3228, AS4837 CNCGROUP China169 Backbone ' << lel, buncha these 1569056;1479397667;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E838327F8342339A7C5B82D744A8203FCB1D2A84427EE4DE0E2900583F63E5CA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 143297793872938384287152346720822853945651751671941009871909195611290135033187649231788436357740970670245134440922208494377928490768712137535125781614242087647461370480650954514653317470470654940538035480741476665949630865987832434231793383698025478096813034352878199008345430421705095367337064054213311972739 divides RS 1569057;1479397667;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C15FA2DCA9548A36454AE2BFB39AAA4F9D690A6BACA9D629633F7F423A9D6AF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 143297793872938384287152346720822853945651751671941009871909195611290135033187649231788436357740970670245134440922208494377928490768712137535125781614242087647461370480650954514653317470470654940538035480741476665949630865987832434231793383698025478096813034352878199008345430421705095367337064054213311972739 divides RS 1569058;1479397830;phf;mircea_popescu: not sure if this is going to work, but try putting ns1.digitalocean.com. ns2.digitalocean.com. ns3.digitalocean.com. 1569059;1479397835;mircea_popescu;kk. 1569060;1479397907;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/el-gueto-donde-hay-gatas/ << Trilema - El Gueto. Donde Hay Gatas. 1569061;1479397964;shinohai;Me gusta las gatas 1569062;1479397975;asciilifeform;l0l, they stole & cloned hanbot ?! 1569063;1479397980;asciilifeform;(left hand side) 1569064;1479398019;shinohai;hanbot has moar scowl 1569065;1479398062;mircea_popescu;phf applied. lemme know if needs new or different, i'll change them np. 1569066;1479398107;mircea_popescu;shinohai nah, she's really very sweet. 1569067;1479398128;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform she helps me hunt s'all. 1569068;1479398137;shinohai;I'm sure she is, I thought the scowl was professional. To keep the weak people away. 1569069;1479398147;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F34E99E9E731891E9E380C93BE09BFC3D82372BB84B3DBB6CA5510108C5784A3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 159024459164335389841406102481355659422585076426925011435618655048580104411987423334042869434567154510452566592304266968208644763917137606614887640136405940209839522703640015982048528403127947690371859666999724281081542090338612954070406267218738178602027777390491437573392919214064959432649769282377663789077 divides RS 1569070;1479398147;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF40129170D06DC397E92886212BCD7592E4C95F09E29E3151CA71E83E0BA054 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 157349997464904863341906508258341443306584856561045133444150442858254698418894597295115489854325045743920011410530633616977197593346667746342066535108258361690096306732356135533850481036428577965391261538963921029645047836808157745498457171231702652266169001959228261316266365456115419141302256754311740368657 divides RS 1569071;1479398147;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8DFA8E2B4A5EFDCF8D83ECD847232B1AFE87B53619E9894BC8B027A85B04657A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 141707188136350933063111430987793142391328574575970517870112957186608424064747603319521070592769495196217969307434471401155643811580469922252667522198716520565554015556713678733655101649433310905554658683749106842361296535956814992846804802714851838315147950501379072194336870002112833345374979311637241401799 divides RS 1569072;1479398147;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7DBDBBC4434566F0167C20078500A417FE406C920FCA0BBF4BB5EB11741AD130 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 162446149348295602848723978414115322431359348912314742151853442042310638325016306616032953938408509532110239877985628773369111961483801550900741471468705410687529380284502633643682350635241996831409404058321347075739731225752666006285593219037626767284385296852401992205744834961544736624194666540741465939459 divides RS 1569073;1479398147;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2A571AA446B51B92039C76073E1992C3B2DA2E2308E8149308EF87E3A82AF496 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138993503654533893348487118871353124131574112918735141666637536729975933917087575012561481771492112360421108974650106843409035340831867325237344617295762882918885049850422518498866589698152653320605817351923117376227665128225275515296107260115884431811805023519972742517771864402401548180373859761310162270319 divides RS 1569074;1479398147;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/99308E227B853B52055044CB406639B752184E22E87D268A10AA8B9A29B8E3F1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138993503654533893348487118871353124131574112918735141666637536729975933917087575012561481771492112360421108974650106843409035340831867325237344617295762882918885049850422518498866589698152653320605817351923117376227665128225275515296107260115884431811805023519972742517771864402401548180373859761310162270319 divides RS 1569075;1479398148;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/427DBA3146C93DDC9738C8D80C1508F216704D10D5F22FC3C8CAD7164AC93B54 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 138993503654533893348487118871353124131574112918735141666637536729975933917087575012561481771492112360421108974650106843409035340831867325237344617295762882918885049850422518498866589698152653320605817351923117376227665128225275515296107260115884431811805023519972742517771864402401548180373859761310162270319 divides RS 1569076;1479398148;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5E2312CA069CBF31DB716F8DF7424C1E28DDD5385937A11BC3315182DC2D8C4B << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 167447024544677749982322846039961280490272448559237272949729057784936173371241650360996560531219367734588953557284174120590815374758726698702088574832923797099662269995533909266738039727311333483190097438041382553728856255751725517371252158038149386699999113375263561112322212637216214900299961778860081554799 divides RS 1569077;1479398149;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F71AB9039419679A6824193FDD4063F626F68B2C4885E666FE5AF46C00419091 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 146905061327892073949410497982315662301093709521375074538330718097716864667210502248721503648137729814983605859821345769334906801203544228094569147196406904048172704884779884723122563050369155959383458356721195760858007463972005102919654998255303191111889158143307408436094420436806066982188493251214566133143 divides RS 1569078;1479398149;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CAC91B7E96EC27E42F48202C4D4773466B3013E4543D2E57F11BC2A9608A096F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 142955681372462699377942376736192817649226535822369965116331132166448031516797744616229591653758415561184445926798298905514131367470296230020149307808158567620167620322633732788795194143351106837734317072544849737644730560288747009192486929171851052914608865081573801782592027045903306179420804550910597963813 divides RS 1569079;1479398150;mircea_popescu;shinohai or those with tits too small, in any case. 1569080;1479398150;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9AF94FDCB6F0100DB48E2BAD2A9003DB4B0ECFC1D451E6ED0929789EC1FEF1A9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 165535208339673504610887839836921697615857295109574811569615327267853567362321786722352893705731438232335580383237702303384841529261368143417823620453550010892174657828304205857791102171415823571585493203697891194234613745091271301296208389552493588100737813611545467659042848457997314603282848162258025296513 divides RS 1569081;1479398150;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2922438808635FA5C04D356616143E7118F88C00E536400DA2F4102B39A41684 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 139726997751454111915904619550162707808203084445381675899502501905880172371800564192336604561392352834442397803502180272178168609534571417139652736074006381838606945870681675798239956101347648158634057954478954539657529611339229519954804320801627225859755851674248495274059853287465065694834593744294532066047 divides RS 1569082;1479398159;shinohai;lol 1569083;1479398166;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161117/#508 << someone with time on their hands should write script to attempt logins at all of these with rng-fucked ssh keys (available at https://hdm.io/tools/debian-openssl/ i think though did not check, or re-gen themselves, shouldnt be hard)! 1569084;1479398167;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-17: [15:40:00] btw everyone probably remembers this from the golden olden debian days, but these chumps tend to also have remote ssh login with debianized keyz 1569085;1479398208;mircea_popescu;buncha terrorists. 1569086;1479398529;Framedragger;in fact.. due to https://hdm.io/tools/debian-openssl/ correctly pointing out that "This flaw is ugly because even systems that do not use the Debian software need to be audited in case any key is being used that was created on a Debian system.", someone should attempt botnet-brute-login to all 13M+ (i forget lol) ssh hosts with rng-fucked client keys. 1569087;1479398532;Framedragger; need a pool of IPs to circumvent fail2ban and similar throttlers, but absolutely doable. 1569088;1479398553;asciilifeform;soooo we nailed 1366 debianized keys, from 2941798 Framedragger parcel current total. 1569089;1479398589;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1366/2941798*100 1569090;1479398590;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1366/2941798*100 = 0.04643418752749169 1569091;1479398592;asciilifeform;that's ~500 ppm 1569092;1479398603;asciilifeform;which is brainmelting 1569093;1479398607;Framedragger;and it's the end of twenty fucking sixteen, and bug was patched in 2008. 1569094;1479398610;asciilifeform;aha. 1569095;1479398617;asciilifeform;i expected maybe dozen, max. 1569096;1479398621;Framedragger;yeah. 1569097;1479398622;Framedragger;same 1569098;1479398649;mircea_popescu;Framedragger systems that were probably live and untouched SINCE 2008. and will stay live and untouched. 1569099;1479398677;mircea_popescu;which strongly selects for high value boxes. because random schmuck can't afford to pay his fucking car insurance for a decade straight. let alone A BOX 1569100;1479398689;mircea_popescu;that's, by and large, more than his entire disposable income by integer factors. 1569101;1479398719;Framedragger;yeah. including various switches at possibly high value places, apparently... 1569102;1479398744;mircea_popescu;well, davos, you know. what the fuck happens there, random pop stars go to lipsync now and again right ? 1569103;1479398758;Framedragger;heh. 1569104;1479398764;mircea_popescu;aha. 1569105;1479398789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait a second. the ssh server keyset was only 2mn ? 1569106;1479398819;asciilifeform;thus far ! 1569107;1479398823;mircea_popescu;ah k. 1569108;1479398841;Framedragger;(13M-something plus additional bundle i gave later iirc) 1569109;1479398855;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1569110;1479398857;Framedragger;16-17M total maybe? 1569111;1479398860;Framedragger;good stuff 1569112;1479398872;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i have whole C blocks, if you can figure out way to use them. 1569113;1479398881;Framedragger;damn 1569114;1479398884;asciilifeform;we also have jurov's keys, and new sks sets, and who knows by then what else. 1569115;1479398890;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1569116;1479398895;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i mean, it would be a *crime* not to put them to good use, eh. 1569117;1479398906;mircea_popescu;and also to put them to good use, i'm sure. 1569118;1479398928;mircea_popescu;as an anonymous local derp pointed out in the timeless form of graffiti, "todo lo que hecho es culpa" 1569119;1479398936;Framedragger;phuctor isn't employing yet is it? :/ 1569120;1479398952;mircea_popescu;sure. it pays in digits. how much amount of number would you like for salary ? 1569121;1479398989;Framedragger;(btw google translate gives "All that is done is fault" which is rather metaphysical) 1569122;1479399005;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: WoT number or what? :) 1569123;1479399009;phf;btcbase.org resolves again 1569124;1479399021;asciilifeform;^ worx here 1569125;1479399036;mircea_popescu;"everything i do makes me guilty [of something]" or somesuch. 1569126;1479399051;Framedragger;phf: same, cool. 1569127;1479399052;mircea_popescu;phf cool deal. sorry for teh issues. 1569128;1479399068;mircea_popescu;(mine was resolving throughout, ftr :p) 1569129;1479399092;phf;so was mine :D 1569130;1479399169;Framedragger;ahh, http://104.131.72.249/log/ works - i like versatile webservers 1569131;1479399172;phf;i was sipping my morning tea, reading log wherein i discovered that log is down 1569132;1479399172;mircea_popescu;l'enfer, c'est les problemes des autres 1569133;1479399182;mircea_popescu;kik! 1569134;1479399303;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well, you can for instance have 139726997751454111915904619550162707808203084445381675899502501905880172371800564192336604561392352834442397803502180272178168609534571417139652736074006381838606945870681675798239956101347648158634057954478954539657529611339229519954804320801627225859755851674248495274059853287465065694834593744294532066047. very good quality prime number pepe. RARE. 1569135;1479399313;mircea_popescu;(pls do not copy) 1569136;1479399317;Framedragger;"student price, only for you" 1569137;1479399335;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: kk. i'll print this on my business card 1569138;1479399386;*;asciilifeform brain still molten, FORFUCKSSAKE, THE debian 'bug' 1569139;1479399388;Framedragger;this is probably a one-to-one demonstration of some carder forum threads 1569140;1479399514;Framedragger;asciilifeform: makes me want to try top 100 password lists on telnet/ssh/etc on the whole ipv4, you know 1569141;1479399533;mircea_popescu;lol 1569142;1479399547;Framedragger;"bless you, internet of things, finally i can have my army" 1569143;1479399595;asciilifeform;the debian thing is moar interesting imho because - afaik - debian never appeared on 'things' junk routers etc. but generally on actual machines set up by hand 1569144;1479399601;Framedragger;(but seriously, may be interesting to at some point brainstorm useful applications of botnet...) 1569145;1479399619;mircea_popescu;iirc they had a "lightweight" thing for raspberry-pis and such 1569146;1479399628;asciilifeform;Framedragger: they are less useful, in my firsthand experience, than they appear 1569147;1479399630;mircea_popescu;!!s UCI 1569148;1479399646;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yep raspbian, though that should have been after patch, but - who knows 1569149;1479399655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly yeah 1569150;1479399663;asciilifeform;and the b0rk3d openssl appeared who knows where else. 1569151;1479399672;mircea_popescu;the "utility of junk boxes" is fully covered in republican literature. just gotta do the work. 1569152;1479399691;Framedragger;asciilifeform: fair enough, yeah. still... 1569153;1479399694;Framedragger;right. 1569154;1479399725;mircea_popescu;"the anti-defamation league addedpepe the frog to their database of hate symbols" 1569155;1479399739;mircea_popescu;the libertard thing is so self-parodic by now... 1569156;1479399745;asciilifeform;iirc no one has yet proposed solution for 'we have 10,000,001 boxes that individually have uptime of 15 minutes per hour and often get reformatted when owner is tired of 'my winblowz is sloooow' ' 1569157;1479399755;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, they have. it's called uci. 1569158;1479399776;asciilifeform;did i miss a sequel to mircea_popescu's essay re same ? 1569159;1479399790;mircea_popescu;i think you may have read it diagonally or somesuch. 1569160;1479399811;asciilifeform;the original didn't mention how to make 1024 chickens reliably pull plow. 1569161;1479399828;mircea_popescu;it being a spec, it didn't contain an implementation, no. 1569162;1479399854;asciilifeform;reminds me of this spec i have for antigrav car. just needs the antigravitron box and you're good to fly. 1569163;1479399885;mircea_popescu;i dun see how that follows, but neways. 1569164;1479399924;mircea_popescu;i'm also not going to start quiting parts of a settled discussion in response to arguments by ignorance. 1569165;1479399944;mircea_popescu;you wanna discuss it, discuss it like sane people, with line and verse reference, not from this position of hurr. 1569166;1479400015;asciilifeform;botnet, incidentally, comes in various grades, sorta like crude petro. 10,001 debian boxes on static ip, say, are of considerably more use than 10,000,001 winxp on dialup 1569167;1479400054;mircea_popescu;well depends what you do. but once someone implements the interface, the user is free to actually price these correctly. maybe there's more demand for box with X than with Y, but the only way to know is if bidding can actually occur. 1569168;1479400087;asciilifeform;i'd be curious to learn how current marketeers price their wares. (i've been quite far from this subj for some years) 1569169;1479400123;mircea_popescu;mostly on puffery / whatever can be misrepresented. it's closer to gold-for-gop-retirees than soy futures. 1569170;1479400149;asciilifeform;aha, this was my distinct recollection, the market had something like prices, but was rather... lemoniferous, or what does one call this. 1569171;1479400154;asciilifeform;'cat in bag'. 1569172;1479400203;mircea_popescu;generally the problem with these fringes (of finance, tech, you name it) is that the "people" involved correctly score themselves as more able with other things than the subject. so you get a lot of "value add", ie, "services". 1569173;1479400223;asciilifeform;it also had, as recently as '13 or whenever i last gave a fuck, pestilential proportions of outright gassable tards (folks transacting in something other than bitcoin) 1569174;1479400250;mircea_popescu;dude... on the fucking "secret" market on tor, whose secret author ACTUALLY VOLUNTEERED IT TO TRAFFIC COPS or anyone who'd listen, 1569175;1479400262;mircea_popescu;MOST communication happened in plaintext, in spite of ... well of anything really. 1569176;1479400281;mircea_popescu;and yes, they preferred western union and paycheck-cashing-certificates/store scrip over bitcoin 1569177;1479400299;asciilifeform;'secret tor market', keybase keys / plaintext, 'assassin service', all of the leprosies in one convenient leprosorium . 1569178;1479400310;mircea_popescu;because if the pig ran off to be a highwayman, he'd mostly waylay grain carts. 1569179;1479400778;mircea_popescu;so my digging through the dank heap has produced a very shiny item. it says : "born too late to explore the earth ; born too soon to explore the galaxy". 1569180;1479400792;mircea_popescu;this is actually the existential problem of the kids, innit. yes, they're lazy. but also... 1569181;1479400810;asciilifeform;i could've sworn we had this thread. 1569182;1479400815;asciilifeform;probably >1x. 1569183;1479400818;mircea_popescu;i fear not. 1569184;1479400877;asciilifeform;and yes, the life of rats-in-a-box. 1569185;1479400886;mircea_popescu;that, yes we have. 1569186;1479401256;asciilifeform;re: debian, there were also dsa keys, which i didn't touch. 1569187;1479401558;Framedragger;this reminds me, i've got all teh ecdsa ssh keys, too. to be looked at one day.. 1569188;1479401604;Framedragger;if anyone's interested in exploring those, lemme know. 1569189;1479401605;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the only pill i presently know of for these, is to actually connect to them >1x and see if nonce reused 1569190;1479401615;asciilifeform;(at which point you can derive the privk) 1569191;1479401619;Framedragger;hah! nice. 1569192;1479401667;asciilifeform;same is true for classical dsa btw. 1569193;1479403286;asciilifeform;in other funny tricks, https://samy.pl/poisontap >> 'PoisonTap emulates an Ethernet device (eg, Ethernet over USB/Thunderbolt) – by default, Windows, OS X and Linux recognize an ethernet device, automatically loading it as a low-priority network device and performing a DHCP request across it, even when the machine is locked or password protected PoisonTap responds to the DHCP request and provides the machine with an IP address, how 1569194;1479403286;asciilifeform;ever the DHCP response is crafted to tell the machine that the entire IPv4 space (0.0.0.0 - 255.255.255.255) is part of the PoisonTap’s local network, rather than a small subnet (eg 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.0.255)' 1569195;1479403298;asciilifeform;Run Moar DHCP. 1569196;1479403318;mircea_popescu;this doesn't work wtf. 1569197;1479403336;*;asciilifeform has not tested. 1569198;1479403346;asciilifeform;i can believe that it worx on 'african' os 1569199;1479403354;asciilifeform;at this point i will believe nearly anything works there. 1569200;1479403359;asciilifeform;except for useful soft. 1569201;1479403373;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what system would accept insane local zones by default. 1569202;1479403399;asciilifeform;if anyone here has such a box - download, see. 1569203;1479403460;mircea_popescu;it's true that linux recognizes ethernet devices. it's not true that it loads it or dhcps over it (unless idiotic defaults, which sure, african os argument prevails). but non-192.168.* as local zone requires fiddling with configs. 1569204;1479403472;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/dFQMj << also hilarious re promisetronix. 'usg.adobe now sells luser-friendly voice-faking proggy, but dun worry, if it doesn't have the USG FAKED VOICE WATERMARK, IT IS GENUINE!111111 voice' 1569205;1479403485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on actual linux - quite correct 1569206;1479403487;mircea_popescu;lmao what. 1569207;1479403519;asciilifeform;'“Don’t worry,” Jin said. “We actually have researched how to prevent forgery. Think about watermarking detection. As we’re getting the results much better, making it so people can’t distinguish between the fake and the real one, we’re working harder trying to make it detectable.” He then gave a thumbs up and grinned.' 1569208;1479403524;mircea_popescu;anyway - most languages use <1k syllables, which makes creating a "fake" reading in a person's voice of a given fragment out of a larger recorded set quite a banal exercise in combinatorics. 1569209;1479403555;mircea_popescu;in other news - voice is not authentication. pgp is authentication ; and nothing else. 1569210;1479403563;asciilifeform;it sounds easy, but is not, voice box is mechanical system with nonlinear behaviours. hence why even 2000s-era voice synths still have 'robotic' flavour. 1569211;1479403567;mircea_popescu;fine example of there-can-only-be-one. 1569212;1479403628;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really. it's a solved problem in the exact sense pixaring is cheaper than shooting. 1569213;1479403667;asciilifeform;i've yet to hear synth voice that isn't immediately obvious 1569214;1479403677;asciilifeform;dun mean that it was not solved, somewhere very quietly. 1569215;1479403684;mircea_popescu;not even that quietly. 1569216;1479403691;asciilifeform;got link to a recording ? 1569217;1479403740;asciilifeform;(the last time i gave a fuck, yamaha had the best, but it was still 'uncanny valley' ) 1569218;1479403800;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what's publicly available, but eg 2010 ro pres campaign i saw enough to be satisfied. 1569219;1479403831;asciilifeform;l0l they used voice synths ?! 1569220;1479403871;mircea_popescu;one party was intending to use it because hey, "cheap technology" but then it was discovered that it's actually cheap enough other party can also do it so they decided at last minute to eschew rather than make even more fools of themselves 1569221;1479403883;mircea_popescu;in the process burning a "respectable" "physicist" (horia-roman patapievici) 1569222;1479403894;mircea_popescu;who had you know, in preparation announced the item, which then failed to materialize. 1569223;1479403955;mircea_popescu;then you know, "i didn't say the tape exists, i said it was offered", blabla. 1569224;1479403966;asciilifeform;funnily enough the meme of 'robot voice' only even exists to begin with because of the 'voder' exhibit in '30s 'world's faire' 1569225;1479403988;asciilifeform;(the 'cpu' was a specially-trained chick and massive organ-like keyboard) 1569226;1479403997;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's not actually altogether clear that sexually intimate folk can be fooled. 1569227;1479404005;mircea_popescu;however, "public personality", totally. 1569228;1479404050;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAyrmm7vv0 << subj 1569229;1479404183;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hyI_dM5cGo << moar of same. 1569230;1479412253;ben_vulpes;in other tizzop kizzeks: https://www.rt.com/news/367302-germany-deport-afghan-refugees/ 1569231;1479412779;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/BXpOW << in local lulz, from same fishwrap 1569232;1479412793;asciilifeform;'A group of protesters has stormed the lobby of the Washington DC building where President-elect Donald Trump's transition team is preparing for the start of his presidential term. Photos and videos have emerged of activists gathered inside and outside the General Services Administration (GSA) building in a protest organized by the American Jewish activist group IfNotNow.' 1569233;1479412807;asciilifeform;'There is no place for antisemitism, racism and white nationalism in the White House. This is the #JewishResistance#FireBannonpic.twitter.com/ROiS0nJLbc ' 1569234;1479412826;asciilifeform;these folx ~want~ into the ovens, or wat. 1569235;1479412971;ben_vulpes;they can stop it this time! 1569236;1479413197;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiXt1cOBDQA << from same fishwrap, at least, 'how to mig' !11111 1569237;1479413257;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: got odds on a fed rate hike during the first term of the trumpenreich? 1569238;1479413319;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: did mthreat ever get his? 1569239;1479413332;asciilifeform;iirc he had an l39 1569240;1479413338;asciilifeform;in working condition 1569241;1479413365;asciilifeform;turns out, you can get one for less than the cost of buying the house i rent... 1569242;1479413367;ben_vulpes;nifty looking bird 1569243;1479413385;asciilifeform;subsonic tho 1569244;1479413388;mircea_popescu;they're not terribly expensive. 1569245;1479413411;mircea_popescu;big problem is maintenance / upkeep 1569246;1479413453;asciilifeform;aha, there is not a 'dealership' on your street likely. 1569247;1479413472;asciilifeform;then again, if it breaks down, you probably will not need new one!1111 1569248;1479413478;asciilifeform;mega-feature of airplane vs auto. 1569249;1479413480;ben_vulpes;heh 1569250;1479413500;ben_vulpes;"this mig has only had oil changes at the dealership" 1569251;1479413501;mircea_popescu;most airports have them, but... the problem is material resistance. upkeeping a couch made of wood != upkeeping a couch made of paper. similarly, upkeeping car engine != upkeeping jet engine. 1569252;1479413502;asciilifeform;though l39 ~did~ have ejector. 1569253;1479413552;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: l39 (if my memory does not fail me and that was the machine he has) was a trainer, and built somewhat more 'to last' than actual mig 1569254;1479413602;mircea_popescu;ejector runs you about half what the plane did lol. for some reason usg is fixated on them 1569255;1479413611;mircea_popescu;part of which reason may be they're somewhat dangerous. 1569256;1479413658;asciilifeform;i dun think you can get the thing sans ejector 1569257;1479413680;asciilifeform;now whether the thing has its shotgun shell, or how old is the parachute silk, who even knows 1569258;1479413811;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1562074 << recent thread re subj ) 1569259;1479413811;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 15:54 asciilifeform: ( incidentally, does mircea_popescu know what is https://archive.is/71Wfw ? there are hilarious stories connected with it ) 1569260;1479413876;asciilifeform;and no shit , 'somewhat dangerous', perhaps 1 in 10 will break neck, but falling to the ground in a burning barrel of kerosene is 10/10... 1569261;1479414033;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/M8mTI << su ejector shell. 1569262;1479414059;asciilifeform;(in this photo, clearly a spent shell) 1569263;1479414080;asciilifeform;left hand side, iirc, is the trainer ver. 1569264;1479414124;BingoBoingo; pete_dushenski: got odds on a fed rate hike during the first term of the trumpenreich? << From what I understand much higher interest rates are a necessary part of summoning The Great Again 1569265;1479414136;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: how does that go? 1569266;1479414151;ben_vulpes;or follow? 1569267;1479414161;ben_vulpes;does the whole stock/re bezzle fall over if rates go up? 1569268;1479414178;ben_vulpes;or is the Great Again in this context starving 401knauts 1569269;1479414224;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Well how did Trump make his fortune? Bankruptcy. What is a debtor's worst enemy that suddenly becomes his great ally once he files? Interest and inflation. 1569270;1479414291;BingoBoingo;Similarly what's the cure for a very dry penis caused by months of campaigning? 1569271;1479414361;trinque;unless what's her name fedmerkel dies, I don't see why interest rates would heed Trump 1569272;1479414403;asciilifeform;'fedmerkels' can also have problems, neh ? 1569273;1479414411;trinque;true 1569274;1479414436;BingoBoingo;Even the Fed can be forced to follow markets. 1569275;1479414459;BingoBoingo;Gotta get out your 1980's nostalgia 1569276;1479414651;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Chief consideration is how Reagan "fixed" US economy. 1569277;1479416722;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/twitter-purges-alt-right-members-as-it-intentionally-contracts-audience/ << Qntra - Twitter Purges "Alt-right" Members As It Intentionally Contracts Audience 1569278;1479417316;ben_vulpes;!~later tell the_scourge fix your connection, wouldja? 1569279;1479417316;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded. 1569280;1479417382;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: d00d seems to hang off 5 or 6 separate isp's... 1569281;1479417400;ben_vulpes;indeed 1569282;1479417406;asciilifeform;!!rated the_scourge 1569283;1479417406;deedbot;asciilifeform rated the_scourge -2 at 2015/02/03 12:44:20 << dear usg, please send better clowns; the cheap ones are growing tiresome. 1569284;1479417444;ben_vulpes;the republic never forgets. 1569285;1479417480;trinque;what, his 1337 hacker name isn't convincing? 1569286;1479417530;ben_vulpes;lolno 1569287;1479417532;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-10#1014432 1569288;1479417532;a111;Logged on 2015-02-10 04:00 ben_vulpes: at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail 1569289;1479418279;ben_vulpes;https://www.rt.com/news/367192-kirby-rt-syria-accusations/ << kirby's a barrel o' giggles 1569290;1479418656;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: during entire first term ? ~100% on yes, rate hike. 1569291;1479418767;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/0H2p7 << in other 'no one reads trilema but secretly they really do' news, gavin mcinnes on kim's ass as the acme of us celebritard kultur. 1569292;1479418855;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: if you want an easy hundo i'll put it down on 'no', at 1:99 ;) 1569293;1479418907;pete_dushenski;lol so 0.14 btc ? 1569294;1479418927;ben_vulpes;exchange rates to btc/cad aside 1569295;1479418971;pete_dushenski;how aside ? is this a contract we're hammering out or winky faces ? 1569296;1479418971;ben_vulpes;but proximate to that, sure 1569297;1479419001;pete_dushenski;100 usd is call it 0.14 btc, 100cad is call it 0.1 1569298;1479419023;ben_vulpes;eh, round to the nearest half, call it 0.15 1569299;1479419033;pete_dushenski;ok 1569300;1479419103;pete_dushenski;so i'm shipping you 10 btc if the us federal reserve fails to increase its prime lending rate but once in the next four years ? 1569301;1479419161;pete_dushenski;sorry, 15 btc* 1569302;1479419177;ben_vulpes;y'had me scratching my head there for a second 1569303;1479419180;pete_dushenski;a pretty penny! 1569304;1479419196;pete_dushenski;i got the cad #s stuck in my head for a sec ;/ 1569305;1479419218;ben_vulpes;hey with all the couches you're buying 1569306;1479419259;pete_dushenski;dude, in four years 15btc could quite possbily buy ~my house~ 1569307;1479419266;ben_vulpes;i know. 1569308;1479419275;pete_dushenski;heh 1569309;1479419313;pete_dushenski;anyways, if you're serious i'll take you up on it. 1569310;1479419369;ben_vulpes;if i understand the math here, you'd only stake 14.85 1569311;1479419389;ben_vulpes;hundred percent odds implies that you'd be on the hook for 21MBTC 1569312;1479419391;pete_dushenski;aha 1569313;1479419448;ben_vulpes;anyways draft a contract if the notion appeals 1569314;1479419484;ben_vulpes;if 15 buys a house, .15 might get you a car! 1569315;1479419603;*;pete_dushenski drafting 1569316;1479419781;*;ben_vulpes tacoing 1569317;1479420098;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: draft 1 : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/mjho7/?raw=true 1569318;1479420115;pete_dushenski;will sign once wording is hammered out 1569319;1479420380;pete_dushenski;i guess the 'prime' rate is more technically called the 'fed funds' rate. will modify. 1569320;1479420662;*;pete_dushenski to walk on the still snow-free streets. bbl. 1569321;1479420983;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/james-clapper-chief-us-spook-resigns/ << Qntra - James Clapper, Chief US Spook Resigns 1569322;1479421028;asciilifeform;lel they resigned him.. 1569323;1479421672;BingoBoingo;Yellen Fedmerkel is pretty much the only one it seems not being resigned 1569324;1479421868;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1569268 << 401knauts should be in bonds not all-stock. 1569325;1479421868;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 20:22 ben_vulpes: or is the Great Again in this context starving 401knauts 1569326;1479421875;mircea_popescu;who the fuck does all-stock 401k 1569327;1479421910;mircea_popescu;(millenials, obviously, and i suspect the plan is to "fuck them".) 1569328;1479422273;mircea_popescu;lmao at usg complete unravel. kirby of state dept makes claims in public. op asks for details. kirby responds by claiming that he didn't make the claims he made and that "they've seen" "credible" reports from "aid organisations". which terms mean as follows "they've seen" = "some starving intern at random mfa blog pulled from ass" "credible" = "saddam wmd" and "aid organisations" = "hillary's friends children trafficing netwo 1569329;1479422274;mircea_popescu;rks". 1569330;1479422285;mircea_popescu;starting to miss stalin over here. 1569331;1479422314;mircea_popescu;the_scourge stop with the relogs. either get a line that works or read the web log. 1569332;1479422663;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, direct for alf : 95.7 % fall in quarterly profit at new york times. the cause being... unexpected costs related to firings. 1569333;1479422668;mircea_popescu;can we say #cisco or wut. 1569334;1479422671;asciilifeform;lol! 1569335;1479422754;mircea_popescu;in continuation of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-13#1566704 1569336;1479422754;a111;Logged on 2016-11-13 14:28 mircea_popescu: goodwin is right, a nyt bankruptcy / slashdot sale is very much in the books for 2017. 1569337;1479422981;mircea_popescu;they lasted all of four days. 1569338;1479423160;BingoBoingo; who the fuck does all-stock 401k << This guy. 1569339;1479423193;*;BingoBoingo has to have something to work a program on. 1569340;1479423214;mircea_popescu;is it directed ? 1569341;1479423303;BingoBoingo;Directed into vague categories. All in on Large Cap, Mid Cap, and International. Thing's a toy. 1569342;1479423347;BingoBoingo;Thing rapidly oscillates between impressive gain and slight loss. 1569343;1479423368;mircea_popescu;"international" what the everloving. 1569344;1479423369;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: s/Payments are to be made within seven (7) of resolution/Payments are to be made within seven (7) days of resolution/ ? 1569345;1479423430;Framedragger;(on the other hand it's something i may use for my boss. "this will be done in three.") 1569346;1479423436;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1569306 << well if they don't hike the rate for the next four years, not only will 15 btc buy your house, 1569347;1479423436;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 21:47 pete_dushenski: dude, in four years 15btc could quite possbily buy ~my house~ 1569348;1479423449;mircea_popescu;but it'll be the only thing that'll buy anyone a house. or perhaps the house. 1569349;1479423478;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ha-ha. he's behind seven resolutions. got proxies ? 1569350;1479423528;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yes but ii need to write a visual basic script to track my own ip 1569351;1479423537;mircea_popescu;lol 1569352;1479423546;Framedragger;else the resolution firewall will get breached 1569353;1479423815;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Tis the American way. Pretenders gotta pretend. 1569354;1479424098;asciilifeform;@HUMANCENTIPEDE.NET << lol! 1569355;1479424100;ben_vulpes;lol top fuckin host 1569356;1479424108;mircea_popescu;!!up rg 1569357;1479424108;deedbot;rg voiced for 30 minutes. 1569358;1479424114;rg;well that was a warm welcome 1569359;1479424120;rg;if ieve ever seen one 1569360;1479424204;rg;so how's my romanian crime syndicate members doing 1569361;1479424214;ben_vulpes;world is not a cinder yet 1569362;1479424233;BingoBoingo;rg: We are all applying for appointments in the trumpreich 1569363;1479424250;rg;Trump didnt even win 1569364;1479424256;rg;Putin hacked our voting machines 1569365;1479424258;rg;didnt you see? 1569366;1479424265;BingoBoingo;What do you mean? 1569367;1479424268;ben_vulpes;putincorp 2016 1569368;1479424288;rg;http://www.ibtimes.com/russia-changed-election-nsa-says-wikileaks-nation-state-influenced-uss-vote-2447187 1569369;1479424355;mircea_popescu;rg http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ 1569370;1479424359;mircea_popescu;you're behind in your reading. 1569371;1479424394;rg;i know she lost 1569372;1479424395;rg;but 1569373;1479424399;rg;russia 1569374;1479424548;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on twitter, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1951fb151b93684e28c8af75aa0c63f9/tumblr_ms7lmqGP8j1r4fzuoo1_400.gif 1569375;1479424611;BingoBoingo;rg: Acceptance is the answer. Just relax and surrender your will and life to The Great Again. 1569376;1479424972;shinohai;"Everyone I don't like is a Russian hacker" 1569377;1479425006;asciilifeform;i'm still waitin' to learn where to buy ticket to the surrender to ru 1569378;1479425021;jurov;in doneck 1569379;1479425040;jurov;*donetsk 1569380;1479425054;asciilifeform;jurov: i thought the ukrs won..? 1569381;1479425088;jurov;when? 1569382;1479425110;asciilifeform;maybe when they nailed the last partizan commander with half a brain 1569383;1479425112;asciilifeform;not long ago 1569384;1479425125;asciilifeform;the 'motorola' d00d 1569385;1479425646;rg;mircea 1569386;1479425650;rg;i saw you finally went scammer 1569387;1479425651;rg;congrats 1569388;1479425654;rg;took ya long enoguh! 1569389;1479425673;rg;:> 1569390;1479425695;rg;mircea_popescu: you know anyone who used to mine BTC with a buncha GPUs 1569391;1479425698;rg;and their rig is still setup? 1569392;1479425720;asciilifeform;!!gettrust rg 1569393;1479425720;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: -2 by 4 connections. 1569394;1479425789;rg;is that gribble 1569395;1479425795;rg;!!ident rg 1569396;1479425801;rg;;;ident 1569397;1479425809;ben_vulpes;!!key rg 1569398;1479425811;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6yf81/?raw=true 1569399;1479425828;rg;!!auth rg 1569400;1479425830;rg;!!eauth 1569401;1479425834;rg;why does this thing hate me 1569402;1479425845;ben_vulpes;because you have no idea how to use it 1569403;1479425847;ben_vulpes;!!help 1569404;1479425847;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1569405;1479425888;rg;ghetto ass gribble 1569406;1479426818;BingoBoingo;Oh my all sorts of old is getting dragged up. 1569407;1479427430;ben_vulpes;"digit-labs"? 1569408;1479427537;BingoBoingo;necessary for rectal exams 1569409;1479427549;BingoBoingo;You need lab calibrated digits 1569410;1479427571;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: receipt acknowledged, in the middle of something 1569411;1479428015;BingoBoingo;First we get a minor pestilence, now we have a rape ghost, what spectre from the past is next 1569412;1479429910;mats;we haven't heard from that idiot anduck in a while 1569413;1479430579;ben_vulpes;http://i.imgur.com/xl1R8KP.gif << in which we learn that danielpbarron is a world-class circus skateboard athlete 1569414;1479430724;mircea_popescu;wait what ?! 1569415;1479430744;ben_vulpes;look at the beard! 1569416;1479430746;ben_vulpes;unless that's you... 1569417;1479430817;mircea_popescu;lol 1569418;1479430821;mircea_popescu;no, i look moar like an adult male. 1569419;1479430849;ben_vulpes;well now i'm imagining that gif with a 3-piece 1569420;1479430902;mircea_popescu;also you know, a beginning pot belly etc. 1569421;1479430916;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo standby for qntra plox 1569422;1479430931;mircea_popescu;ooo 1569423;1479430934;BingoBoingo;me headed to sobriety hour soon... 1569424;1479430956;BingoBoingo;so... please be timely 1569425;1479430962;asciilifeform;5min or so 1569426;1479430990;BingoBoingo;5 min I can take, shinohai pls to hear this alarm to SEO pls, k thx 1569427;1479431012;mircea_popescu;mats you old enough to recall that angry canadian dude what was his name... 1569428;1479431055;BingoBoingo;Eskimo bob? 1569429;1479431058;mircea_popescu;right! 1569430;1479431075;BingoBoingo;So named because of the dry cock snow on his face 1569431;1479431108;shinohai;BingoBoingo: SEO wut 1569432;1479431111;mircea_popescu;before i was famous the stock explanation was that "you don't know which girl was his girlfriend - but he does!". 1569433;1479431116;mircea_popescu;nowadays... not nearly so much fun. 1569434;1479431130;*;BingoBoingo thinks mp would appreciate the dim fate of PC Principal on last night's south park. 1569435;1479431158;mircea_popescu;i've kinda ditched the whole thing once they did that butt-teary "oh, failure of pc means we should do more better pc". 1569436;1479431166;asciilifeform;!!key BingoBoingo 1569437;1479431167;mircea_popescu;too close to literal socialism for my allergies. 1569438;1479431169;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/t11af/?raw=true 1569439;1479431186;mats;mircea_popescu: naphex? 1569440;1479431193;mircea_popescu;no, no, eskimo bob 1569441;1479431197;ben_vulpes;naphex was romanian anywasy 1569442;1479431215;ben_vulpes;(may still be, who knows...) 1569443;1479431219;mircea_popescu;naphex was this guy who tried to get a camwhore thing going but i think it ate him 1569444;1479431222;mats;o so Namworld then 1569445;1479431236;mircea_popescu;no, namworld was just this canadian trader guy. 1569446;1479431239;BingoBoingo; !!key BingoBoingo << /me reflexively checked my key's health on Phuctor at this invocation 1569447;1479431248;ben_vulpes;devoured by camhos 1569448;1479431252;ben_vulpes;there are worse ways to go.. 1569449;1479431257;asciilifeform;sadly it does not check for health, only for disease, BingoBoingo 1569450;1479431260;shinohai;Run moar shapeshit 1569451;1479431265;BingoBoingo; no, no, eskimo bob << Sell heatbonds without even mining 1569452;1479431272;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes there may be better ways to go, but not many better ways to come. 1569453;1479431278;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: NEgative health is still health 1569454;1479431282;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/qn7gr/?raw=true << footnotes need hyperlinkification but else should be good to go.. 1569455;1479431293;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: lol 1569456;1479431301;mircea_popescu;:) 1569457;1479431302;mats;so you mean NewLiberty then 1569458;1479431313;mats;nefario? 1569459;1479431342;mircea_popescu;i dunno who that is. oh, no, nefario was this iirc brit dude living in poverty. 1569460;1479431360;*;mircea_popescu is kinda impressed he's been doing all n's. 1569461;1479431363;BingoBoingo;WTF is this turmatting! 1569462;1479431394;mats;i dunno who you're talking about, must not have been interesting 1569463;1479431401;mircea_popescu;dude was just very angry. 1569464;1479431408;mircea_popescu;2013ish 1569465;1479431408;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it came out of emacs-md 1569466;1479431437;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-04#123309 << fuck i got them wrong 1569467;1479431437;a111;Logged on 2013-07-04 06:41 ThickAsThieves: EskimoBob is SO MUCH cooler than tiberius 1569468;1479431441;mircea_popescu;it was tiberius! 1569469;1479431445;mats;i remember seeing a pic of a canadian with moobs 1569470;1479431458;ben_vulpes;rip tiberius 1569471;1479431510;ben_vulpes;i've never seen anyone get under mircea_popescu's skin like that guy did 1569472;1479431518;mircea_popescu;o, rly ? 1569473;1479431541;ben_vulpes;mnope 1569474;1479431565;mircea_popescu;what sort of progress is this ;/ 1569475;1479431579;mircea_popescu;mtga. 1569476;1479431624;ben_vulpes;? 1569477;1479431625;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: replace plox '1 in 2700 machines in the IPv4 space' with '1 in 2700 SSH-capable machines in the IPv4 space' 1569478;1479431667;mircea_popescu;come to think about it the early years were better in terms of sheer crazy. there was also atlas, and that dank dude with the festival. 1569479;1479431708;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: also feel free to append 'peace in our time!' 1569480;1479431713;mircea_popescu;and diablo with the 1mn btc datacenter to be powered independently. 1569481;1479431786;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: "peace in our time shitgnomes" was added 1569482;1479431797;mats;make tmsr great again 1569483;1479431797;mircea_popescu;isn't it technically pence in our time ? 1569484;1479431846;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/ << Qntra - Phuctor Reveals 1 in ~2700 SSH-capable Machines On The Internet Still "Debianized" 1569485;1479431859;BingoBoingo; isn't it technically pence in our time ? << Not yet 1569486;1479431871;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo 1569487;1479431889;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You know, twatmail and SpEd-it 1569488;1479431907;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Maybe even Heckler Snooze 1569489;1479431946;BingoBoingo;brb 1569490;1479431956;shinohai;I feel like I've turned into the tmsr/eulora PR guy in some respects 1569491;1479431979;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo really need a comma pre shitgnomes. 1569492;1479432012;mircea_popescu;shinohai there's worse fates! 1569493;1479432187;asciilifeform;aye it needs comma 1569494;1479432327;asciilifeform;^ nao with accurate numberz 1569495;1479432365;*;shinohai thinks of posting this to r/debian 1569496;1479432397;mircea_popescu;what can it hurt. 1569497;1479432411;mircea_popescu;come to think about it... butts, probably. but anyway. 1569498;1479432499;shinohai;In Columbian peace-talk news: http://imgur.com/a/RyW21 1569499;1479432535;asciilifeform;footnote no.2 is in fact the unicorn i was looking for 1569500;1479432540;asciilifeform;but i have nfi what to make of it. 1569501;1479432703;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'appearing to belonging to' --> 'appearing to belong to' 1569502;1479432969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the whole "ssh key made on debian recast as gpg key" thing is pretty bizarre. 1569503;1479432978;asciilifeform;aha! 1569504;1479432980;mircea_popescu;i mean obviously sunlight and thunderstorms did it, but nevertheless. 1569505;1479433033;mircea_popescu;the strangest thing about all this being the sher fucking age. really, 8 year old keys ? most people in bitcoin have trouble maintaining a key for a coupla years at a stretch, how the fuck did this wonder work. 1569506;1479433065;shinohai;https://twitter.com/linuxfoundation/status/799421373022175232 <<< tlf shilling for code.gov 1569507;1479433086;mircea_popescu;shinohai that "foundation" think wasn't ever to be taken seriously. 1569508;1479433127;shinohai;I know, but recently it seems a whole new level of bizarre coming out of there. 1569509;1479433136;mircea_popescu;yeah huh. 1569510;1479433138;shinohai;Microsoft joins .... 1569511;1479433211;shinohai;Wonder if they fixed that "Let's run everything as uid 0 in Win10 bash" thing. Maybe the fundation can give them pointers. 1569512;1479433648;asciilifeform;eh one day there will be 88 year old keys 1569513;1479433656;asciilifeform;who's to say if the 'mayfirst' turd is in any kind of ~use~ 1569514;1479433664;asciilifeform;recall, it was an sks key, rather than from ssh scan. 1569515;1479433669;asciilifeform;just sat there. 1569516;1479433677;asciilifeform;will keep sitting there until the last sks disk rusts. 1569517;1479433777;asciilifeform;'The Linux Foundation ‏@linuxfoundation Nov 15 Many, many minds make things better than one mind said science evangelist' 1569518;1479433778;asciilifeform;barfamatic 1569519;1479433830;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/linuxfoundation/status/797771501202264064 << holy FUCK is this a parody ?! 1569520;1479433880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, the ssh keys were advertised by live boxes 1569521;1479433882;mircea_popescu;so yes, use. 1569522;1479433887;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5CAB4A847D8E0DD2301D839EC8A893F07805544B6A9A7E7602F206A1B4280863 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22369015287629962481767423056512939535453313023113255667012651972674379769981066810094967232880422822193665387827199087161881300016871522577888563088142540800183683478091277074841568826142852208843991662066372442190957689426396383828237718938901849460286146455939402788142177548520098842744908103225081192461815701972808 1569523;1479433889;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this one wasn't 1569524;1479433896;mircea_popescu;yes yes i was talking more in general. 1569525;1479433921;asciilifeform;hah i suppose we'll be seeing 1-2 of'em every day nao 1569526;1479433950;mircea_popescu;more like 5-6 if the proportions are right. 1569527;1479434925;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569519 <<->> https://twitter.com/kaycemick/status/799052916258652161 twice the likes so therefore twice the linux foundation. 1569528;1479434925;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 01:50 asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/linuxfoundation/status/797771501202264064 << holy FUCK is this a parody ?! 1569529;1479434933;mircea_popescu;social media. you know how these things go. 1569530;1479434943;asciilifeform;i meant the face of the d00d (?) 1569531;1479434958;asciilifeform;it is straight out of those 'draft my wife!11' ads BingoBoingo dug up 1569532;1479435085;mircea_popescu;it's this euro thing. "lowest maintenance male appearance" = lmma 1569533;1479435208;asciilifeform;i thought 'low maintenance' ~= 'bin laden' 1569534;1479435221;asciilifeform;'lost razor' 1569535;1479435248;mircea_popescu;notrly. beard you gotta wash. also can't eat cream. 1569536;1479435573;mod6;rg came back 'eh 1569537;1479435594;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1569538;1479438042;shinohai;!!key lochshire 1569539;1479438044;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/nomo5/?raw=true 1569540;1479438854;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/QGLqL << in other lulz, usg firing squads for... dogs - continue 1569541;1479438936;asciilifeform;'"Y'all over here shooting dogs now?" a city employee asked a DPD officer in the aftermath of the raid, according to the lawsuit. "Nah, it committed suicide," the officer allegedly replied.' 1569542;1479439039;mircea_popescu;!!key lochshire 1569543;1479439042;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7spwp/?raw=true 1569544;1479439094;asciilifeform;'Why aren't there tons of stories about cops shooting yorkies or teacup chihuahuas?' 1569545;1479439200;mircea_popescu;what else is there for stray dogs ? 1569546;1479439213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: piece was re owned dogz 1569547;1479439229;asciilifeform;there are ~0 stray dogs in most of usa, they were shot long ago 1569548;1479439231;mircea_popescu;"owned". if it's in a public space it's a stray. 1569549;1479439235;mircea_popescu;you wanna own dogs, get a ranch. 1569550;1479439252;asciilifeform;didja read the thing..? 1569551;1479439260;mircea_popescu;i did not, i'm just being petulant. 1569552;1479439274;asciilifeform;it is sop (and has been for years) to shoot dog whenever 'police bust', indoors, in flat or in ranch or wherever. 1569553;1479439301;mircea_popescu;oh, that thing. 1569554;1479439313;mircea_popescu;urban "dog owners" are high on my list of insufferables, right up there with urban biking hipsters. this isn't to say that "police officers" shouldn't be shot on sight. 1569555;1479439314;asciilifeform;happened right here, even, they shot the mayor's (!) when he was named by some anon stoolie as embroiled in dope 1569556;1479439316;mircea_popescu;so i guess it's a wash. 1569557;1479439406;asciilifeform;from same fishwrap... https://archive.is/9qlLy >> 'The FBI May Have Run Not Just One But 24 Dark Web Child-Porn Websites' 1569558;1479439408;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1569559;1479439416;mircea_popescu;"ie, most of them" 1569560;1479439444;mircea_popescu;"crime, entirely manufactured by government, for the purpose of the government figthing crime" 1569561;1479439491;mircea_popescu;but in other, brighter news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8e50693fa7bf41db8fdda91ee9f46902/tumblr_mro5gzdQrR1rk5yzmo1_1280.jpg 1569562;1479440864;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ty fxd 1569563;1479441409;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: no rush. 1569564;1479442964;BingoBoingo;More lulz https://www.thefix.com/opinion-deplorables-Trump-Brooklyn-AA 1569565;1479442993;BingoBoingo;<< "In the AA meetings, there was wailing and the rending of garments. Selecting words from the safe space lexicon, they “just couldn’t get [their] heads around this.” They “felt violated.” This election, and here’s my personal favorite, has them “shaken to the core.” I’m talking about mature people who have been sober for years and years." 1569566;1479443174;mircea_popescu;perhaps not that sober. 1569567;1479443875;BingoBoingo;lol, not uncommon 1569568;1479443896;BingoBoingo;"Dry Drunk" is a thing. 1569569;1479444182;BingoBoingo;As is "sober except for these pills my dr keeps prescribing" 1569570;1479448031;BingoBoingo;!~step 10 1569571;1479448032;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "step" is not a valid command. 1569572;1479448040;BingoBoingo;!~step10 1569573;1479448040;jhvh1;10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it. 1569574;1479448058;BingoBoingo;^Also after a while some people start forgetting to do this 1569575;1479448450;vvande;worth working on 1569576;1479448469;vvande;most people never learn that anyway, AA or not 1569577;1479451677;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2qvy4/?raw=true 1569578;1479452892;ben_vulpes;amusing: https://opensource.conformal.com/GIT-GPG-KEY-conformal.txt 1569579;1479452908;ben_vulpes;(linked in https://github.com/btcsuite/btcd#gpg-verification-key) 1569580;1479458350;ben_vulpes;!!up the_scourge planning to do something about all the reconnects? 1569581;1479458350;deedbot;the_scourge voiced for 30 minutes. 1569582;1479458373;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/how-to-actually-process-bitcoin-transactions << CH - How to (Actually) Process Bitcoin Transactions 1569583;1479458958;jurov;orly. i haven't seen ben_vulpes actually process something since VAN :) 1569584;1479459005;jurov;just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice 1569585;1479459057;jurov;i just threw my hands in disgust and use electrum. negrate as you wish. 1569586;1479468527;Framedragger;"Peace in our time, shitgnomes" is an excellent salute, tho 1569587;1479468812;mircea_popescu;jurov what's electrum do again ? 1569588;1479468884;mircea_popescu;perhaps a better question would be "when didn't you run electrum", but let's jointly pretend. 1569589;1479468972;Framedragger;in unrelated news, check out all the current TLDs lol: https://domainr.com/about/tlds ".afamilycompany" aww 1569590;1479469169;mircea_popescu;did they still charge 1mn a pop for those ? 1569591;1479469188;Framedragger;100k a pop iirc 1569592;1479469196;mircea_popescu;("but mp, 50 btc is too much for a seat at exchange ; 1500 btc is just fine for... a tld, whatever that is!") 1569593;1479469205;mircea_popescu;ah. they go the other way, fiat corp. i forgot. 1569594;1479469217;Framedragger;:) 1569595;1479469426;mircea_popescu;to save my own pain in the future, ban syntax is /mode #trilema +b nick!other-nic@domain there's no regexp available except for the windows-* and domain identification is unreliable (may be IP, may be reverse dns on that IP, may be etc.) 1569596;1479469832;trinque;o I got called out to write up runit did I? 1569597;1479470000;*;trinque makes coffee 1569598;1479470351;mircea_popescu;wait what ? 1569599;1479470469;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569582 << 1569600;1479470469;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 08:39 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/how-to-actually-process-bitcoin-transactions << CH - How to (Actually) Process Bitcoin Transactions 1569601;1479470485;mircea_popescu;lol 1569602;1479470513;mircea_popescu;read more like "i'm not smart enough for this one, try next door" to me :) 1569603;1479470572;trinque;lel 1569604;1479471309;mircea_popescu;in other useful backholes, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1e44f38e5f48f5ae2e1bec8170b1244f/tumblr_msp5lhRElu1rlp32eo3_400.gif 1569605;1479472020;jurov;what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of. 1569606;1479472230;jurov;and i'd congratulate to 1500 btc mpex seats, as long as someone is actually seen paying :) 1569607;1479472990;Framedragger;https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/799556482719162368 1569608;1479473000;Framedragger;"Within 5 minutes, it was compromised by the Mirai botnet/worm" 1569609;1479473591;mircea_popescu;jurov the problem is one of optics. you have not "seen paying" anyone for .achristianfamily either, but you credit the empire and discredit the republic for reasons we're invited to not misrepresent as misplaced loyalties, i guess. similarly with electrum - yes, for as long as you stick to the credit empire discredit republic mindset, it "enables" you. 1569610;1479473622;mircea_popescu;but to my eyes, even the idea of putting enables and you in the saem sentence with the thing denues some sort of thinking problem. really, you think electrum enables YOU ? 1569611;1479473646;mircea_popescu;and it disables who, usg ? not the other way around ? becauyse why, it's not seen happening (especially if you carefully don't look) ? 1569612;1479473664;mircea_popescu;this is no good, what can i tell you. you're more than welcome to use it as your own software, but it's braindamage and it ain't convincing me. 1569613;1479473953;mircea_popescu;Framedragger lulzy. i expect more than half the gear sold to lusers is being currently used by republican interest, so there is that. 1569614;1479474792;mircea_popescu;and in other news - archeries! http://68.media.tumblr.com/b3777d2e2d5c4f45f2f03c393131cfd5/tumblr_mst7e1JV451sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1569615;1479474796;mircea_popescu;(it's a pun. in french.) 1569616;1479481623;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569584 << funnily enough, at this very moment i'm writing a proggy... 1569617;1479481623;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: just my pet peeve that the most opinionated folks (see: alf) aren't actually seen to do it in practice 1569618;1479481754;asciilifeform;but even supposing i lived whole life without ever again eating a btc -- does nit change the fact that 'electrum' is essentially a webwallet 1569619;1479481855;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569587 << it's a webwallet where , theoretically, 'anyone' can set up a mirror (just need prb and buncha other heathen soft) 1569620;1479481855;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 11:33 mircea_popescu: jurov what's electrum do again ? 1569621;1479481956;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569605 << what does it do with 'mismatched amounts' jurov? tx them back at YOUR EXPENSE?? 1569622;1479481956;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 12:27 jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of. 1569623;1479481969;asciilifeform;(who pays tx fee?) 1569624;1479482004;jurov;crediting them to clients' account is not an option? how so? 1569625;1479482012;asciilifeform;what's to stop me from draining your wallet by sending 10,000,000,001 'mismatched tx' that you pay 0.001 each to send back ? 1569626;1479482021;asciilifeform;account?! 1569627;1479482028;asciilifeform;what account 1569628;1479482054;asciilifeform;say you run, e.g., bbet 1569629;1479482061;mircea_popescu;but you wouldn't. 1569630;1479482116;mircea_popescu;gotta kyc in case the fat tard over at the us park administration gets tired of asking for special booth at burning man and wants to peruse pics of subtards licking fish through a screen of milk, gotta have the pics ready for him!!11 1569631;1479482162;asciilifeform;lul 1569632;1479482183;jurov;who said anything about kyc? 1569633;1479482207;asciilifeform;'i use some heathen dope's central server' did. 1569634;1479482218;jurov;some gpg key appears, sends you some amount, you now have keyid, amount in database 1569635;1479482231;jurov;how do you decentralize this? 1569636;1479482246;mircea_popescu;jurov what's the difference between "kyc" and "account" in this application ? 1569637;1479482271;jurov;well, i'd be glad to get rid of account, if you solved the problem, i'm all ears! 1569638;1479482272;asciilifeform;and what's exactly the diff between 'bitcoin via external heathentronic mtgox' and paypal? 1569639;1479482314;asciilifeform;what problem 1569640;1479482360;asciilifeform;if someone pays me by dropping gold coins from airplane into my back yard, am i expected to give exact change? with what, cannon? 1569641;1479482361;jurov;you are saying that by keeping accounts i empower usg or something? 1569642;1479482372;jurov;what change???? 1569643;1479482375;mircea_popescu;yes, i am saying that by keeping accounts you are empowering usg. 1569644;1479482385;asciilifeform;'mismatched amounts' jurov 1569645;1479482429;asciilifeform;or am into understand that 'taking payment via dropped gold is Wrong, keep accounts, with names!' 1569646;1479482434;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is an unidirectional payment mechanism for a fucking reason, after all. 1569647;1479482441;asciilifeform;*i to understand 1569648;1479482476;jurov;of course unidirectional. you want to withdraw back, you pay the fee. i still don't see what's your problem 1569649;1479482477;mircea_popescu;there's no way to have "equality" and not have ALL THE IMPLICATIONS of equality. which yes include "consumers" and "modern democracy" and hillary fucking clinton's aides. 1569650;1479482513;jurov;equality dones not come into this 1569651;1479482539;asciilifeform;jurov: which 'you' pays the fee? say i tell you 'i sent coin by mistake , i want it back'. how do you know i tell truth? and which coin ? 1569652;1479482548;mircea_popescu;jurov either there's an injective payment function, in which case you have strictly yes-no payments, either get it right or it didn't happen ; or else you can have a bijective payment function, in which case you can have solutions to the "problems" you propose. 1569653;1479482592;mircea_popescu;except for the part they're completely imaginary, and only pushed by the sort of people who want a bijective payment function to import the whole rest of equality's fruits, all is well. 1569654;1479482704;jurov;"get it right or it didn't happen" can work only for perfectly spherical people 1569655;1479482709;mircea_popescu;tough. 1569656;1479482721;asciilifeform;jurov doesn't wanna fly a mig does he 1569657;1479482723;mircea_popescu;i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it ; than have more of the current crap. 1569658;1479482734;asciilifeform;here also 'get it right or else' 1569659;1479482740;jurov;yes, i know. and you will eventually have. 1569660;1479482751;*;mircea_popescu drinks to that. 1569661;1479482751;trinque;oh my god teh drama, jurov 1569662;1479482759;trinque;it's that hard to get an integer right? 1569663;1479482772;mircea_popescu;trinque it is actually impossible, for the consumer market. which is the point. 1569664;1479482784;*;trinque will drink with mp 1569665;1479482785;asciilifeform;trinque: he seems to take issue with basic principle of 'cold equations ' 1569666;1479482818;mircea_popescu;and the strangest part being, that he expects we'll be upset with him for it. as if you know, they're there because i was bored one evening and came up with some arbitrary dumb shit. 1569667;1479482847;jurov;you say it helps usg, how's that not being upset? 1569668;1479482870;jurov;i even saw loyalty mentioned 1569669;1479482881;mircea_popescu;you know what misplaced loyalty means in english ? 1569670;1479482885;asciilifeform;jurov: it is statement of fact. keeping account records helps inquisitor and nobody else. 1569671;1479482974;jurov;so, i'm asking, what do i do? close coinbr, wipe the evil accounts and we'll celebrate this inimitable tmsr victory? 1569672;1479483011;mircea_popescu;you dun gotta do anything. what's you knoiw, what you do to do with right an' proper ? 1569673;1479483025;mircea_popescu;we're even contemplating making a proper gns to be fed through dns pipe, much to alf's chagrin. 1569674;1479483035;mircea_popescu;still doesn't make dns not idiotic. 1569675;1479483165;jurov;and electrum is idiotic evil, yes. still. 1569676;1479483177;asciilifeform;it's a mtgox 1569677;1479483224;mircea_popescu;for as long as it doesn't take itself seriously i dun see the problem with it. 1569678;1479483226;asciilifeform;i did not think that the down-side of using a mtgox still needed explanation 1569679;1479483362;mircea_popescu;but the most informative part of this is - nobody seems to seriously dispute the obvious problem that "the btc address is 30 symbols long - what if i get one wrong ?!" ; yet even with that much accepted of the fundamental principle of republican money, ie, injective payment function - the obvious extension to sum is ... not so obvious. "oh what if i get one of 8 digits wrong ?" "i dunno dude... same as if you got 4 symbols wr 1569680;1479483362;mircea_popescu;ong in the address amirite ?" 1569681;1479483416;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2**160 / 8**10 1569682;1479483417;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2**160 / 8**10 = 1.3611294676837539E39 1569683;1479483427;asciilifeform;'this pistol is dangerous, what if i accidentally put barrel in my own mouth instead of point at enemy' 1569684;1479483435;mircea_popescu;somehow getting right a space 10^40 larger is an acceptable expectation. 1569685;1479483444;mircea_popescu;how does this logic work ? 1569686;1479483456;jurov;it has checksum :) 1569687;1479483462;mircea_popescu;oh i see :D 1569688;1479483504;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it be better if we had accounts though ? 1569689;1479483539;mircea_popescu;then people could verify identity to paypal with a nicely chosen mare's face and get paid! 1569690;1479483550;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and rsa key can be whole kbyte long! ohnoez, what if bit flips!!1 1569691;1479483615;mircea_popescu;jurov you realise the whole checksum is actually smaller in informatic terms than the single digit error in btc sum yes ? 1569692;1479483746;jurov;so? any fault detection is better than nothing. 1569693;1479483771;mircea_popescu;no argument there. 1569694;1479484091;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569657 << conversely, the world may come to be devoid of human life if no one can be found with enough neocortex to stop himself and slowly read *a fucking number!!* 1569695;1479484091;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 15:25 mircea_popescu: i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it ; than have more of the current crap. 1569696;1479484144;trinque;notwithstanding any sad degenerate forms of once homo sapiens 1569697;1479484238;asciilifeform;( in the fishwraps: https://archive.is/8wWRF << nsa owns (part of) a manhattan skyscraper; 'nsa vans' are real; buncha details . ) 1569698;1479484277;mircea_popescu;trinque i put up a fiverr offer detailing modelling work for eulora. i got a bunch of responses, including "Hi I can regge". and such. 1569699;1479484291;mircea_popescu;there's no words to truly describe what;s out there. 1569700;1479484316;asciilifeform;is there a fivethousandr ? 1569701;1479484321;asciilifeform;what kind of responses there ? 1569702;1479484329;mircea_popescu;no, see, that's the problem - the mantra is make things EASY. 1569703;1479484419;mircea_popescu;that site incidentally is entirely constructed on stupid. the likeliness of their advertising open work orders (called "requests") is inverse to... the number of already present offers. counted. as such. except obviously the posts are mostly spam. 1569704;1479484483;mircea_popescu;they delete your message box, aggressively. like - less than weekly. INCLUDING "starred" messages, because hey, UX, user-friendly etc does NOT include the needs of non-mentally-amoeba, or their expectations. you're more than welcome to take your interface expectation of "system will not delete what i starred" and shove it - the expectations that matter are "uuuu shinyyyy" 1569705;1479484518;mircea_popescu;in between the deluge of spam and the enforced, deliberately, impossiblity of memory, you get... well you get "hi i can regge" basically. 1569706;1479484523;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9br8x/?raw=true 1569707;1479484523;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1569708;1479484525;mircea_popescu;or the people answering us electoral polls, whatever. 1569709;1479486068;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i don't know just how interested you are to find inexpensive modellers etc, but just fyi peopleperhour.com may produce...better results. (but yeah, not for five bux.) 1569710;1479486082;Framedragger;if it was mostly entomological though, then not relevant i guess. 1569711;1479486100;mircea_popescu;it wasn't for any specific bux amount, this. 1569712;1479486133;Framedragger;ah, ok 1569713;1479486134;mircea_popescu;some guy asked for 500. his avatar was a (bad) section of a civil engineering project in cad ; and he assured me that he has experience and can build any housing to my specification. 1569714;1479486152;mircea_popescu;because they won't as much as fucking read the text, you understand, and then come back with "what is the problem friend". 1569715;1479486172;Framedragger;wow 1569716;1479486180;mircea_popescu;accounts won't fix that. in fact, ENTERTAINING the stupidity, to any degree, is not only not fixing it, but outright causing it. 1569717;1479486184;Framedragger;that sounds like a ridiculously hopeless platform / social 'network' 1569718;1479486204;mircea_popescu;just like anything but a basebat whack to the crying kid is a bad move. and certainyl giving him sugar packets for crying is not any sort of solution. 1569719;1479486217;Framedragger;folks have had much better experiences with peopleperhour, just fyi 1569720;1479486228;mircea_popescu;Framedragger there's a reason the web keeps right on failing. 1569721;1479486251;Framedragger;i don't want to argue regarding the general structural hopelessness of the web because you will win that argument / i agree with you :) 1569722;1479486264;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's even a blenderartists thing, which supposedly is actually good. 1569723;1479486292;Framedragger;heh, maybe the "confusing blender UI [at first, anyway]" filter is a filter after all :P 1569724;1479486315;mircea_popescu;doing this as such is slated, for a little later. but since i was on fiverr anyway from the article, well... 1569725;1479486361;mircea_popescu;there was an episode but i think from before your time when i even tried to support blender. it blew up spectacularily. 1569726;1479486376;Framedragger;hah. 1569727;1479486377;Framedragger;:/ 1569728;1479486596;mircea_popescu;is there a peoplebyresults btw ? 1569729;1479486614;*;mircea_popescu is not terribly keen on this "by the hour" thing, it gives the wrong incentives. 1569730;1479486659;Framedragger;well, to be fair, 1) the system shows people's portfolios and reviews etc, and 2) you can set a project price, the whole 'hourly billing' is only one of the options 1569731;1479486670;Framedragger;but i hear ya; i don't know. 1569732;1479486702;mircea_popescu;we were also going to have a republican this, so all my expenditure would be used reflectively to strengthen us, rather than you know, support ineptly named items not run by wot people. 1569733;1479486713;mircea_popescu;but apparently harder than expected. 1569734;1479486774;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: curious - harder in terms of management, or in terms of technical implementation, or combination thereof? 1569735;1479486859;Framedragger;i guess could be done manually for small (< $dumbars_n) webs of trust. with billing templates / gpg contracts, etc. 1569736;1479486870;Framedragger;s/dumbars/dunbars/ 1569737;1479486932;mircea_popescu;the long story is like this : that the world is made of friction. this is necessarily, and evident from the fact that it's still here (if self-limitation wasn't a default property of all things, the world would have long exploded). meanwhile the republic is made of few people, and also evident from definition - selective means minority. now add these things together : every project suffers from low power and high friction. 1569738;1479486970;mircea_popescu;so, why doesn't $item exist ? because the $guy that's a) intelligent enough to do it and b) dedicated enough to toil through however long it takes to get $item off ground hasn'rt come forward yet. 1569739;1479487043;*;trinque is toiling on this very one 1569740;1479487058;trinque;the payments thinger shall have a way of invoicing someone 1569741;1479487068;trinque;and of paying an invoice 1569742;1479487155;trinque;this morning's conversation has me thinking over how to do this without accounts 1569743;1479487225;Framedragger;pgp keys? not that this constitutes an entire solution 1569744;1479487235;Framedragger;unless you deem pgp key in this instance to also be an 'account/ 1569745;1479487236;trinque;read earlier thread 1569746;1479487236;Framedragger;' 1569747;1479487239;mircea_popescu;there's on top of that also the question of tooling. consider : had i pushed hard on this three years ago when it first came around (and pankake tried to make it) we'd have ended up with non-v software. that'd have sucked ; but at the time i didn't know what exactly v is. trinque brings a solid related point : infrastructure. just like tooling. 1569748;1479487329;mircea_popescu;there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) ; there's also the http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ? 1569749;1479487364;mircea_popescu;so you know, "why aren't there monkeys on this planet ?" "well, partly because life is hard, and partly because there's not yet the livers sufficiently advanced to support a monkey's lifestyle" 1569750;1479487367;asciilifeform;if every attempt at solving particular problem leads to a d00d who takes to kakodrink and wander off muttering nonsense for the rest of his days, and never anything resembling a solution appears, possibly problem was ill-posed... 1569751;1479487393;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's little doubt in my mind that this particular "problem" (more properly class of problems, likely) is ill posed. 1569752;1479487420;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re. bdsm board, sure it could be, the latter, as i understood it, would be a general e2e encrypted forum board (permanent post) solution with signatures etc. 1569753;1479487433;mircea_popescu;sure. what of it ? 1569754;1479487505;asciilifeform;my take on 'fiverr' et al: ~stupid people are not a resource for the republic~. live'em to wander the world, live and die, to possibly birth less stupid folx, mine uranium for dying empires, etc., see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-02#699078 . 1569755;1479487505;a111;Logged on 2014-06-02 18:30 mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or what 1569756;1479487514;asciilifeform;*leave'em 1569757;1479487514;mircea_popescu;the republic lives off tooling and infrastructure, and what is tooling and infrastructure develops out of you know, lived life. as a matter of necessity this can't be aforestated in its entirety. 1569758;1479487538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure. the thing with fiverr was simply the practical exercise base for http://trilema.com/2016/theyre-not-progressive-theyre-just-lazy-a-practical-exercise/ 1569759;1479487545;mircea_popescu;it wasn't something else. 1569760;1479487601;asciilifeform;iirc there were earlier instances where mircea_popescu and other folx tried to recycle'em into something: the incident with the rental posters (who was that..?), the 'get epsilon btc to make eulora player', possibly other instances of beehive-fucking 1569761;1479487671;Framedragger;...instead of, say, looking for intelligent motivated folk? not that i know how to do the latter. /me interrupts 1569762;1479487676;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing with the posters was simply "feed the artist while also doing something". that something happened to be "check this guy's claims". very similar, come to think about it, to this usecase here with fiverr. 1569763;1479487685;mircea_popescu;it turned out the guy was making shit up, and a well. 1569764;1479487750;mircea_popescu;and yes - very similar with bitcointalk eulora thing also. imagine this, MILLIONS of fly eyes, not a single one was capable of figuring out stuff explained plainly in documentation and coversation. but a few tried to defraud. 1569765;1479487766;mircea_popescu;i dunno how would anyone ever argue in favour of the foss delusion. the data's pretty clear. 1569766;1479487789;asciilifeform;was it tlp, or who, but wrote about how many folx growing up in the ruins of 'western civilization' are biologically incapable of forming healthy attachment of any sort 1569767;1479487814;asciilifeform;thir only attachment - to bottle, to tv screen, to dope. 1569768;1479487816;mircea_popescu;i'm not terribly optimistic of that "healthy attachment" in the general form. 1569769;1479487818;Framedragger;but then you have very motivated intelligent people trying to crack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301 - the latter being possibly a recruiting campaign - so maybe it's also a matter of outreach strategy... 1569770;1479487835;mircea_popescu;Framedragger do you know what motivates them there, principally ? 1569771;1479487864;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: like or not, serious work for e.g., tmsr requires some degree of it 1569772;1479487882;mircea_popescu;no argument. but people were not by and large capable of healthy attachment at any point known from extant record. 1569773;1479487892;Framedragger;there, as in say, in the challenge in question? i would imagine, curiosity, and a deeper need to do something smart and meaningful, and hoping that the people organizing this give such an opportunity. and folx are willing to spend many hours pursuing that. 1569774;1479487898;asciilifeform;most any useful project takes longer than hour or however long a flight of fancy runs in typical d00d 1569775;1479487901;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yes, there as in the challenge question. 1569776;1479487965;asciilifeform;'people' as broad class historically have barely been capable of wiping own arse. i was referring to the formerly sometimes-capable right tongue of bell curve, not to cattle. 1569777;1479488007;mircea_popescu;the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job" 1569778;1479488007;mircea_popescu;or just why intelligent motivated person looks for way to cicada rather than way to blow up the new york times building/ 1569779;1479488017;asciilifeform;y'know, the folx who at one point built rockets, skyscrapers. they had descendants, who are now writing poor quality php on 'fiverr' etc. 1569780;1479488031;mircea_popescu;so yes - more friction, the republic is all about "if you succeed things happen". this is poisonous, to the modern mind. 1569781;1479488037;Framedragger;so if tmsr did something like that cicada challenge, with a properly formulated marketing strategy, maybe motivated people would turn up. i haven't seen an honest marketing attempt by republican folk, but then, i've probably not seen enough. 1569782;1479488048;mircea_popescu;but tmsr will never do something like the cicada challenge. 1569783;1479488056;asciilifeform;wtf is a cicada challenge 1569784;1479488063;asciilifeform;sit in the tree, chitter ? 1569785;1479488064;Framedragger;i've seen attempts to post on bitcointalk, with the psychological safety of knowing that if it fails, "well it's shitty redditard forums anyway, who cares" 1569786;1479488064;mircea_popescu;erudite masturbation, 1569787;1479488078;Framedragger;various crypto puzzles etc 1569788;1479488104;asciilifeform;Framedragger: omfg11111!11222 we have whole BAG of 'crypto puzzle' for who wants 1569789;1479488114;asciilifeform;e.g., the list of phuctor wtfs 1569790;1479488137;asciilifeform;or 'can block cipher be put on a scientific footing re min-complexity' 1569791;1479488139;asciilifeform;or, or 1569792;1479488147;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo Good day for Qntras http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/u0ejy/?raw=true 1569793;1479488147;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1569794;1479488150;Framedragger;asciilifeform: marketing all of that requires a different skillset from being able to formulate puzzles, tho 1569795;1479488154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's the excuse du jour for the contemporaneous pothead. the gwern, the guy who "really believed in wikipedia", the guy who "really believed in ted talks" and "fucking loved sicence" and so on. the kid who is "investigating child pornizzerias in wash dc" via 4chan and "visual thinking" 1569796;1479488200;mircea_popescu;and no, it requires no skill, it requires a specific representation to be believably made. that "nothing will happen". i can't make that, nor do i wish to (these two are related). 1569797;1479488232;*;asciilifeform looked up 'cicada', what a snore 1569798;1479488250;mircea_popescu;then again that's exactly what we'd say, isn't it. 1569799;1479488251;asciilifeform;this kind of 'crossword' is quite often used in american corporate hiring 1569800;1479488270;Framedragger;yes, snore, everyone's stupid, etc 1569801;1479488277;asciilifeform;where Official credentials are so heavy on arbitrary crapolade that they are ~worthless 1569802;1479488284;Framedragger;good luck with the whole recruiting thing. /sad 1569803;1479488307;mircea_popescu;Framedragger woulja care to go into detail or is it too depressing ? 1569804;1479488312;asciilifeform;(at a recent hellhole where asciilifeform worked, they marched in folx with perfect marks, many magister degrees in 'sciences', etc., who COULD NOT PROGRAM) 1569805;1479488326;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'm off home from work. will try to formulate sth constructive later 1569806;1479488339;mircea_popescu;no rush. 1569807;1479488355;mircea_popescu;do you understand the objection though, or is it just so much nonsense ? 1569808;1479488445;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: objection against current republic outlook, or objection against being all snore-ful and despiseful while at the same time grumbling about republican efforts being slow and the republic being poor? :) 1569809;1479488474;Framedragger;(i'm sorry, i'm just tired.) 1569810;1479488477;trinque;this cute glib thing jurov was doing earlier, stop. 1569811;1479488480;trinque;both of ya :p 1569812;1479488708;trinque;this idea of marketing with some bait and switch proceeds directly to a bunch of "fuck you, I'm just here to ..." 1569813;1479488715;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569777 << actually there is another destructive force at work, also. i once knew a very capable d00d who ended up quitting serious research (he was a biologist) to play 'world o' warcraft'. he explained it as 'the game gives steady reward morsels, my research was a possibly lifelong brick wall' (not his exact words, but this was long ago) 1569814;1479488715;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 16:53 mircea_popescu: the attractor is the futility. the plain and unescapable certainty that if they succeed NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. the point about "yes white racism exists - it's white people hating themselves" isn't just some superficial flurry of rhetoric. it informs the deepest recesses of subconscious thought and minute behaviour, "if nothing happens then nothing bad can happen" is not just why sane kid chooses for himself "a goivernment job" 1569815;1479488924;asciilifeform;and that is how various folx end up in mental masturbatoria (e.g., 'mensa', similar clubs) instead of working on actual unsolved megaproblems 1569816;1479488981;asciilifeform;(or even mundane human problems like 'where to find a more decent flat' , because ~there~ , just as with fermat conjecture, there is no guarantee that you aren't facing brick wall, on account of personal inadequacy. whereas the crossword is guaranteed to yield to modest effort. it is sex with doll.) 1569817;1479490648;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel 1569818;1479490648;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1569819;1479490684;mircea_popescu;Framedragger objection against the "we'll do a cicada thing". 1569820;1479490791;mircea_popescu;but it is reassuring to see that a century later, the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along. 1569821;1479490830;mircea_popescu;i suppose the intimate history of red radicalism is only familiar to dedicated entomologists. 1569822;1479491301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i still believe it's "no matter what happens, wow will not tell me anything about myself." 1569823;1479491326;mircea_popescu;the "value" is that it has nothing to say ; from a certain perspective this makes sense. 1569824;1479491331;asciilifeform;well yes, it was precisely this, 'doll will spread legs , guaranteed' 1569825;1479491356;mircea_popescu;aha. 1569826;1479491375;asciilifeform;( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' : https://archive.is/dQFvt >> 'Oh, the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case, threatening to contact the university of the person who did so. ' ) 1569827;1479491409;mircea_popescu;see, you lose. i "have a history" of rape and terrorism. 1-0. 1569828;1479491415;asciilifeform;evidently!111 1569829;1479491505;asciilifeform;'Not every single output bit from then on, which is what would be necessary for his claim to be true, just those bits' >> gotta wonder, does this ninjashotgun know or not that you need ~0.22P bits of rsa P to break in coupla hours. or not. 1569830;1479491528;asciilifeform;0.22(bitlen(P)) rather 1569831;1479491528;mircea_popescu;"know". 1569832;1479491573;asciilifeform;(the little entomological puzzle here being, how much are these folks schooled in the facts, so as to lie correctly) 1569833;1479491600;mircea_popescu;the graph is walked backwards. they say what the audience expects. not schooled in any facts, it's all "consensus building" 1569834;1479491642;mircea_popescu;the part where this is necessarily self-limiting, and always ends an "inexplicable hillary defeat" is out of their horizon. 1569835;1479491919;mircea_popescu;even the quoted statement is a disguised tautology. "don't herd with the guy that's not herding with the herd." hurr durr, i totally needed a degree in something of the other studies to figure this much out! 1569836;1479494059;mircea_popescu;!!up waffle_ 1569837;1479494059;deedbot;waffle_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1569838;1479494063;mircea_popescu;and who might you be ? 1569839;1479494219;shinohai;Ironically, an individual with the name waffle_ shows up blue in my client. 1569840;1479494239;mircea_popescu;is blue goos ? 1569841;1479494242;mircea_popescu;good* 1569842;1479494268;shinohai;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Blue%20waffle 1569843;1479494352;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DAC33F3F762E4895F7111563648B22EB6D9C6B5E32AD726850178FD122B6CAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 22072784285862885271279799032849184899576753655827417176388991752752977974152919882369188552315300641356536229705473821542565556084901978645340491923364598455353045068232986186093026372449629383460165283340072908135638702446759791265150171553851326715990339973536506688221852231934997052384523569605029898645670302079063 1569844;1479494393;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569585 << not unreasonabru, wallet braindamage/taint stush/millions of other things weren't necessarily apparent in 2011 1569845;1479494393;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: i just threw my hands in disgust and use electrum. negrate as you wish. 1569846;1479494455;mircea_popescu;shinohai basically, imaginary vaginitis ? 1569847;1479494459;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569602 << eh it's 250 words, he's been threatening to do it forever, just prodding 1569848;1479494459;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 12:01 mircea_popescu: read more like "i'm not smart enough for this one, try next door" to me :) 1569849;1479494481;mircea_popescu;o ic 1569850;1479494522;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569605 << just because i didn't detail how to deal with idiot customers doesn't mean that you can't also look for mismatched amounts and resolve it yourself 1569851;1479494522;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 12:27 jurov: what does electrum do? enables one to accept payments without having "mismatched amounts are kept" sinkhole in the foyer, which ben_vulpes seem to be too fond of. 1569852;1479494643;ben_vulpes;obviously it weakens the automatability of your processing to open up a hole for contesting deposits 1569853;1479494761;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569742 << in fairness, "trinque" as well as "mircea_popescu" is an account in the meaning here contemplated. you already have accounts. 1569854;1479494761;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 16:39 trinque: this morning's conversation has me thinking over how to do this without accounts 1569855;1479495065;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569748 << your holding keys did not absolve me of tracking account deposits 1569856;1479495065;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 16:42 mircea_popescu: there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) ; there's also the http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ? 1569857;1479495099;mircea_popescu;ah right that's how it was. 1569858;1479495110;mircea_popescu;long ago, what was it, 2013 ? 1569859;1479495419;ben_vulpes;something like that 1569860;1479495724;mircea_popescu;funny what counts for long ago in my head. 1569861;1479496123;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569826 << meanwhile read the source. phoronix forum lel. anyway - funnily enough, and predictably enough the dude plays the "commentary supersedes reality" game, and purports to handwave the... what is it, 1.5k cracked moduli with loose discussion of a coupla imaginary examples he came up with on the spot, notwithstanding that after all the whole fucking thing is published. 1569862;1479496123;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 17:49 asciilifeform: ( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' : https://archive.is/dQFvt >> 'Oh, the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case, threatening to contact the university of the person who did so. ' ) 1569863;1479496172;asciilifeform;iirc we had ~300 cracked mods then 1569864;1479496179;mircea_popescu;but he talks to the postmodern crowd, that's drowned in information it can't process. the same "public opinion" which snowden imagined will cause some sort of equivalent reaction to nuclear holocaust only bigger through publishing his data ; but then turned out to fizzle (exactly like the nukes) 1569865;1479496225;mircea_popescu;never fear the FEARFUL!!!1 by consensus, what's awesome by everyone's agreement is always the magical wizard of oz, a hunchback old codger behind a mirror. 1569866;1479496337;mircea_popescu;it's a very interesting paradoxical effect this, from either a cultural anthropology or a gnoseology angle, that when deluged with first hand data the human brain reacts by secreting and seeking out... commentary, which is to say spurious text that's not even data. 1569867;1479496384;mircea_popescu;the model for the situation is roughly speaking that of a man caught in a prison made out of cooked meat, walls so thick he can't physically eat his way through - and his reaction is to raise cattle to make sausage. 1569868;1479496420;asciilifeform;eh the wall jerky is tough & stringy, but his own turd sausage is soft an' delish. 1569869;1479496437;mircea_popescu;AND, observably, the recipes slowly diverge - it was 1 part wall meat to 3 parts cattle meat years ago, but by now it's 1 to 10 or elss 1569870;1479496442;mircea_popescu;and some eat entirely cattle meat diet. 1569871;1479496464;asciilifeform;except the only 'cattle' in the jail are the jailbird's own lice. 1569872;1479496470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even, it's more a matter of "but the wall meat is pink and his meat is purple. purple is better" 1569873;1479496508;mircea_popescu;there's nothing substantively making the data less comprehensible than the commentary. on the contrary, if you had to write a parser it'd be easier to write it for the data - the commentary is baseless and as such incomprehensible through sheer variance. 1569874;1479496933;mircea_popescu;hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible." 1569875;1479496972;mircea_popescu;hence why any "discussion" of the global warming scam by the proponents starts and ends with a litany of... all the proponents that agree with this proponent. 1569876;1479497056;mircea_popescu;apparently if i have a billion datapoints and a billion idiots who can't, individually, evaluate a thousand data points, the solution is to create a list of all the thousand trillion "evaluations" of each data point by each idiot, and then list those. because why deal with a billion when i could deal with a thousand trillion. 1569877;1479497067;mircea_popescu;then let's make "all of them agree" and suddenly - problem solved! 1569878;1479497074;mircea_popescu;no, the more i think about it, the more this makes sense. 1569879;1479497112;mircea_popescu;"rather than have you evaluate 1bn datapoints, how about i send you the number 4 a thousand trillion times*" 1569880;1479497122;mircea_popescu;* = or until your connection floods and you turn it off. 1569881;1479497252;mircea_popescu;in the end, the only difference between us and them is that we're not particularly impressed with the notion of "bn datapoints!!1" because whatever, i'll just cat/grep them. their computer only has notepad and it can't load bn line files. 1569882;1479497302;mircea_popescu;which explains why "a fascination with the complexity of universe" or similar blabla is so predictive of idiocy (call it iyi, jewry, whatever) : the dude who goes "i fucking love science!!1" in response to artist's renditions of galaxies has a very low tolerance to complexity. 1569883;1479499503;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2ldg3/?raw=true << just added a couple commas and updated block height. signed and sealed. 1569884;1479499719;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: scrap 'drafted in' line and jam it into deedbot? 1569885;1479499787;pete_dushenski;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/h8es4/?raw=true 1569886;1479499812;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: you should also sign, yes ? 1569887;1479499814;deedbot;accepted: 1 1569888;1479499820;ben_vulpes;standby 2 1569889;1479499844;ben_vulpes;lol we have a typo 1569890;1479499855;ben_vulpes;"i ben vulpes, identifed" 1569891;1479499910;ben_vulpes;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/mnddc/?raw=true 1569892;1479499934;deedbot;accepted: 1 1569893;1479499950;ben_vulpes;see ya sometime q1 1569894;1479499974;pete_dushenski;*firmly shakes hands with ben_vulpes* 1569895;1479499981;ben_vulpes;aha 1569896;1479500039;ben_vulpes;longest potential horizon wager in tmsr~ yet? 1569897;1479500085;pete_dushenski;could well be. 1569898;1479500357;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHmzm_NgpM0 << in other horizons, the owner of kim's ass, one kanye west, <3 Trumpenreich. 1569899;1479500508;ben_vulpes;yeezy for prez 1569900;1479500541;*;trinque watched a vid of his new floating stage today 1569901;1479500551;trinque;it is certainly one louder than ten. 1569902;1479500679;ben_vulpes;carter/west 2020 1569903;1479500786;mircea_popescu;erryone loves a winner in america 1569904;1479500911;mircea_popescu;2021 ? you folks'd better provision, there's literally no telling what a bitcent means in four years 1569905;1479501044;ben_vulpes;exciting, innit 1569906;1479501556;mircea_popescu;and yes quite possibly longest yet. 1569907;1479502025;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569820 << heh, incidentally -- Что делать? is still on my reading list. at the very least seems to be a decent rhetorical piece. i mean, the ending is cool - literally the last words are, 1569908;1479502025;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 17:39 mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring to see that a century later, the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along. 1569909;1479502032;Framedragger; "The third period, as we have seen, was prepared in 1897 and [...] was a period of disunity, dissolution, and vacillation. [...] by way of summing up what has been expounded above, we may meet the question, What is to be done? with the brief reply: Put an End to the Third Period." 1569910;1479502181;mircea_popescu;:p 1569911;1479502202;Framedragger;(hm, looks lamer when put as an irc line, i'faith.) 1569912;1479502321;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: regarding the "let's do cicada" objection - there probably are several angles which one could counter with - is the main one basically what trinque said, i.e., it's a form of (dishonest, to boot) bait-and-switch, which selects for some $random_criterion and the latter may not at all translate into what's actually useful? 1569913;1479502371;mircea_popescu;well, no. the objection is, in nucet, that you've not so far proposed a bridge over the gap of "the republic is about empowering people to matter in the world and the redditardisms are about assuring cattle that their play will have no consequences" 1569914;1479502395;Framedragger;mhm. 1569915;1479502406;Framedragger;ah right, what you said about futility. 1569916;1479502455;mircea_popescu;yeah. in different terms, if you run a shop selling denim overalls for farmers and miners and notice that this magazine sells (quite lucratively!) chiffon dresses to boston ladies, 1569917;1479502483;mircea_popescu;you can't simply take the pages out, photograph the miners in boudoir interiors and overwrite them with "IT LIFTS! AND IT SEPARATES!" 1569918;1479502492;mircea_popescu;as such your attempt makes no sense to your market. 1569919;1479502732;trinque;!!up gabriel_laddel 1569920;1479502732;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1569921;1479502759;gabriel_laddel;tsmr~ web can now be a thing: I fixed CL-FTP 1569922;1479502782;gabriel_laddel;http://imgur.com/a/TrbQu 1569923;1479502818;Framedragger;you know, i wonder how postgresql has managed not to die, and to remain, as far as i can see it, a quality product still. both in terms of codebase, and in terms of the set of maintainers and current engineers. probably very strict selection criteria, very strong people in the initial set (funded by / researchers at .su technical uni etc) 1569924;1479502824;ben_vulpes;gabriel_laddel: you're going to have to give "web can now be a thing" a bit more detail 1569925;1479502858;trinque;^ 1569926;1479502869;Framedragger;they invite student interns to write stuff, too, and afaik it's high quality, too. again, just good selection i guess. but also - interest to participate. 1569927;1479502874;trinque;Framedragger: it has a couple of paid consulting firms driving it though 1569928;1479502875;*;Framedragger a bit OT, not sure 1569929;1479502902;trinque;iirc 4th quadrant, some others 1569930;1479502905;gabriel_laddel;http://paste.lisp.org/display/331860 1569931;1479502911;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if you want to write a monograph on that topic i'd read. 1569932;1479502921;Framedragger;trinque: yeah, there's that.. 1569933;1479502923;gabriel_laddel;^ patch the lastest CL-FTP with that ftp.lisp and it'll work 1569934;1479502938;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel is this cl-fpt an apache replacement then ? 1569935;1479502940;gabriel_laddel;details re tsmr web in a second.. 1569936;1479502946;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: in what sense is this ' tsmr~ web ' ?? 1569937;1479503098;gabriel_laddel;The web is nothing more than networked graphics. CLIM supplies graphics, but no networking. 1569938;1479503139;gabriel_laddel;An existing CLIM application, BEIRC works with IRC just fine. 1569939;1479503169;*;asciilifeform bewildered 1569940;1479503203;gabriel_laddel;The way this will work: an invite-only IRC channel with a +v voice model is used to send s-expression strings between networked CLIM applications. 1569941;1479503206;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: noted. (that's actually a problem i'm always easy to be set off on a stupid rant, but it's harder to be constructive etc. not that this is a unique trait. and there's a superficial connection to the whole rant-y nature of things, that is: 1569942;1479503206;Framedragger; asciilifeform linked to that phoronix thread, and there were in point of fact good replies on that thread, who acknowledged significance of phuctor, but of course asciilifeform chose to focus on the stupid kiddos there.) 1569943;1479503225;asciilifeform;it is as if i asked 'how does your proposed replacement for tetracycline work' and gabriel_laddel answered 'tetraethyl lead in my 100 octane avgas prevents engine knock' 1569944;1479503245;gabriel_laddel;IRC has some limits on sending files and whatnot, so well-formed sexprs will be used to name FTP servers which you can download files and such from. 1569945;1479503250;mircea_popescu;ahahaha he replaced dbus with irc ?! 1569946;1479503302;gabriel_laddel;^ exactly. then we just wait for someone to get annoyed enough with the backend that they swap it out with gossipd. 1569947;1479503312;gabriel_laddel;ascii confessed to having a 90% complete version months ago. 1569948;1479503345;mircea_popescu;so basically, you're talking about a client stack on which a browser-like could be stood up ? 1569949;1479503350;gabriel_laddel;yep. 1569950;1479503359;mircea_popescu;tmsr-web as in, not replacing apache, replacing mozillachrome ? 1569951;1479503364;gabriel_laddel;correct. 1569952;1479503375;trinque;why irc when you could just have some simple socket server 1569953;1479503387;*;trinque has plenty of those sitting around in lisp 1569954;1479503401;mircea_popescu;he prolly had the code. 1569955;1479503416;*;asciilifeform will never again say that a program he writes is 'x % complete', it is a mistake 1569956;1479503418;gabriel_laddel;trinque: because I've had issues with sockets in lisp every single time I've used them, whereas irc works fine every time. 1569957;1479503424;Framedragger;(ideally, i would guess, it'd munch datagrams, too, because gossipd is to have no stateful connections of the tcp kind.) 1569958;1479503433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very much a mistake. i was going to say something derisive about the % but then i passed. 1569959;1479503438;trinque;gabriel_laddel: I cannot corroborate your experience 1569960;1479503448;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu really ought to have properly laughed , aha 1569961;1479503449;trinque;and if that were so legions of things in lisp would not work 1569962;1479503467;gabriel_laddel;trinque: but the point is, swapping whatever backend out is easy. If you want sockets, fine, just switch. It isn't like programming CLIM is difficult. 1569963;1479503481;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: your 'irc server' deals in what, stream of characters ? of bytes ? 1569964;1479503487;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: yep. 1569965;1479503491;gabriel_laddel;characters 1569966;1479503491;gabriel_laddel;strings 1569967;1479503492;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel so basically you can make lisp machines i can give out to hos ? 1569968;1479503507;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: why hos specifically? 1569969;1479503517;asciilifeform;and i can make 'mazeratis' so long as they are of cardboard. 1569970;1479503530;mircea_popescu;cuz that's what i care about. 1569971;1479503536;pete_dushenski;https://www.greatagain.gov/news/president-elect-donald-j-trump-selects-us-senator-jeff-sessions-attorney-general-lt-gen-michael.html << in other hos, latest trumpenreich appointments : sessions for attorney general, pompeo for director of cia, flynn for national security affairs. (link won't archive). 1569972;1479503539;gabriel_laddel;oh, then yeah, sure. 1569973;1479503570;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they seriously made that domain ? i thought was just bingo being memetic. 1569974;1479503580;gabriel_laddel;anyways, the point of this scheme is that it can be implemented in all of a week for someone who has some spare compute sitting around (ie, not me right now) 1569975;1479503608;gabriel_laddel;Rather than debating the fine points of gossipd, just implemented it and move on. 1569976;1479503617;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lmao. it's the real deal. 1569977;1479503627;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel so it actually is ho-level complete replacement of ipad whatever, they can do on your item whatever they do, snapchat, whatsapp, whatever ? 1569978;1479503683;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: We're talking about masamune I presume (which sure, isn't really separable from CLIM)? 1569979;1479503687;mircea_popescu;check out the latest kardashian ass pics, do the yoga routine, cheezburger, foodporn, etc ? 1569980;1479503708;mircea_popescu;well yes, from what i understood you've been trying to stand up a whole thing, from hardware ? 1569981;1479503734;gabriel_laddel;anyways, no they can't use snapchat, whatsapp or any mobile applications, but yes, they can youtube, gmail, and all web stuff. There is an xterm available via the splash screen for those who need it. 1569982;1479503747;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: correct. 1569983;1479503751;mircea_popescu;so can i order a couple ? 1569984;1479503766;gabriel_laddel;masamune-machines.myshopify.com 1569985;1479503770;gabriel_laddel;password is klello 1569986;1479503782;gabriel_laddel;I may have to cancel your order because I cannot ship to Ar, but nevertheless. 1569987;1479503789;mircea_popescu;lol that escalated quickly. 1569988;1479503799;mircea_popescu;no deedbot-payable gpg-based ordering huh 1569989;1479503809;gabriel_laddel;not until my life is less shit. 1569990;1479503848;gabriel_laddel;the shopify thing is just so I have something to point confused sillycon valley people to. 1569991;1479503851;mircea_popescu;lol welcome to the future finally. 1569992;1479503870;mircea_popescu;x220 thinkpad 720 a pop ? 1569993;1479503881;gabriel_laddel;used. 1569994;1479503902;gabriel_laddel;I'm making ~300 per sale. ~300 for hardware, ~300 for install. 1569995;1479503929;mircea_popescu;this is actually not altogether unmarketable. 1569996;1479503952;gabriel_laddel;lol, I'm selling them as we speak. It works. 1569997;1479503954;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: nice. 1569998;1479503960;gabriel_laddel;still less then 10 out the door, but nevertheless. 1569999;1479503989;Framedragger;(wait there's an x220 with 'tablet' / screen-turning mode?) 1570000;1479503997;mircea_popescu;apparently yeah 1570001;1479504001;*;Framedragger typing from an x220, heh 1570002;1479504020;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel so how about you hop in a plane and bring me a coupla ? i'll buy you a steak even! 1570003;1479504021;Framedragger;dude needs a bouncer 1570004;1479504027;mircea_popescu;lmao 1570005;1479504133;Framedragger;i still don't understand how much of a browser replacement it is. interesting, tho. what does gabriel_laddel mean, "can gmail"? => can javascript? 1570006;1479504137;mircea_popescu;oh, he doesn't actually have his key anymore does he ;/ 1570007;1479504149;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel 1570008;1479504149;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1570009;1479504154;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: you want a bouncer? 1570010;1479504162;mircea_popescu;listen, you gotta fix your infrastructure this is ridiculous already. 1570011;1479504163;gabriel_laddel;stanford remotely reset the computer I was using.. 1570012;1479504173;gabriel_laddel;it is the only place I have quality internet. 1570013;1479504197;gabriel_laddel;the new comcast boxes are shit and I can't even connect to them from linux whatsoever. 1570014;1479504210;gabriel_laddel;(at friends apartments etc) 1570015;1479504221;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: no passport, but that sounds like a plan. 1570016;1479504225;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9DAC33F3F762E4895F7111563648B22EB6D9C6B5E32AD726850178FD122B6CAC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 136086338211835128245094824918956468332853146955451855870521205176934297029621898372061168720888298629387531300441380278156826310539595828527767729047279710502906474287982155379216278161474775079341335889944574054724053636502793319369393689338718172682793358005510000145839075456884137708307285792528093016709 divides RS 1570017;1479504228;mircea_popescu;lmao jesus. 1570018;1479504282;mircea_popescu;this guy needs a girlfriend stat. preferably a ho that comprehends the points about infrastructure. 1570019;1479504283;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: The browser, conkeror has all the same keybindings as emacs. 1570020;1479504310;Framedragger;ah! ok 1570021;1479504317;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: and it is integrated into the lisp environment via a socket connection. 1570022;1479504333;gabriel_laddel;the lisp environment runs parenscript, so you can sorta-kinda drive it with CL. 1570023;1479504339;mircea_popescu;He who weilds Masamune need not worry <<< wields. 1570024;1479504343;gabriel_laddel;ty. 1570025;1479504364;mircea_popescu;documentated lol. 1570026;1479504369;mircea_popescu;documented ye foreigner. 1570027;1479504452;mircea_popescu;Framedragger he's a fine example actually. has a fucking "shopify" thing because...well ? idiots want my cc. what's he to do, practically, "dude don't checkout with paypal but instead..." 1570028;1479504474;gabriel_laddel;that is EXACTLY what I do 1570029;1479504485;gabriel_laddel;here is the link, but give me cash 1570030;1479504490;mircea_popescu;lol 1570031;1479504512;gabriel_laddel;for some reason they can't comprehend things unless it comes on top of js/shopify/something familiar 1570032;1479504524;mircea_popescu;yes, but as a more general thing, re earlier discussion. bitcoin has 0 infrastructure, just a bunch of dorkage. 1570033;1479504535;Framedragger;sure. 1570034;1479504562;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel "here's the shopify page, now it's legit to pay 700" ? 1570035;1479504577;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: yeah. 1570036;1479504587;mircea_popescu;"i'll believe it when i see it with big font in rounded corners." 1570037;1479504596;gabriel_laddel;this whole place needs to die. 1570038;1479504610;Framedragger;trinque's invoice thing may come useful. but then, there's more space to bridge, such as the vast gap between person who wants to buy useful item and person spending coins from trb so can pay invoice.... 1570039;1479504637;gabriel_laddel;speaking of infrastructure, and the lack of it, one of you who isn't doing anything useful (eg, pete) should come out to CA and give me some boxes to work with. 1570040;1479504650;Framedragger;physical boxes? 1570041;1479504653;gabriel_laddel;yes. 1570042;1479504656;mircea_popescu;Framedragger note that there isn't any serious "bitcoin invoicing" thing. you can have a "take customer;'s bitcoin and give me fiatola", there's 500x of those. there's NO "take customer's fiatola and give me btc" 1570043;1479504675;gabriel_laddel;you are not getting any younger, and unless you want your healthcare running on intel/windows -- masamune is the only way forwards. 1570044;1479504681;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel you don't buy them off amazon ? 1570045;1479504689;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ties into (naive or not) hawala discussions, i guess... 1570046;1479504691;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I do. 1570047;1479504695;gabriel_laddel;well, people do for me. 1570048;1479504700;gabriel_laddel;(I have no bank accounts etc etc) 1570049;1479504704;mircea_popescu;uh. so then why would he come over ? 1570050;1479504711;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: wtf happened? 1570051;1479504727;mircea_popescu;he shot a deputy. 1570052;1479504729;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: with respect to what, my life? 1570053;1479504730;Framedragger;just curious. maybe long story 1570054;1479504734;Framedragger;yeah 1570055;1479504746;gabriel_laddel;I read loper-os, grokked lisp and it ruined me. 1570056;1479504752;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 1570057;1479504753;trinque;oh my god this thread 1570058;1479504762;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: also, apologies for not checking logs. the question naturally springs to mind, so to speak 1570059;1479504771;gabriel_laddel;lol, no worries. 1570060;1479504778;*;trinque enjoying his friday 1570061;1479504787;Framedragger;same, this is history 1570062;1479504801;gabriel_laddel;anyways, that's pretty much it. I fucking hate all the companies out here and won't capitulate == me has to sell masamune and do one-off jobs for cash. 1570063;1479504823;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel how does this relate to having someone drive all the way from canada to hand you laptops ? 1570064;1479504841;trinque;it's clear asciilifeform should've started a guild 1570065;1479504850;mircea_popescu;he did sort-of neh ? 1570066;1479504853;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: d00d get a key, srsly 1570067;1479504856;mircea_popescu;^ 1570068;1479504857;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: 1. he can fly 2. he can do something useful for tsmr~ == get the CLIM-web thing up and running inbetween here and gossipd 1570069;1479504859;trinque;hm, suppose he did 1570070;1479504859;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: this is disgraceful 1570071;1479504869;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: possible to ship x220's to US for you? not that i'm committing as of now. there are nice refurbished ones here in UK 1570072;1479504881;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: yes, it is possible. 1570073;1479504911;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wish i knew someone in san francisco who wasn't a bum. 1570074;1479504926;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: the infrastructure needed is somewhere to put them though. I have machines sitting in stanford's graphics lab (cameras everywhere) that will eventually host the IRC channel, but have nowhere to put them that isn't USG.NSA.YC. 1570075;1479504946;mircea_popescu;aaaand you can't rent a place because no bank accounts, amirite. 1570076;1479504964;gabriel_laddel;and all of my money goes to essentials right now. 1570077;1479504996;mircea_popescu;yes but this situation is not stable. either you get out of there or you get credit cards and whatnot. 1570078;1479505004;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: if you want to do something useful, build the CLIM web I've described inbetween here and gossipd. 1570079;1479505018;asciilifeform;and can't do some programmer wurk for, month, two, like normal people ? 1570080;1479505020;gabriel_laddel;it is ~week worth of hacking. 1570081;1479505041;phf;gabriel_laddel: have you looked at closure? 1570082;1479505061;mircea_popescu;fucking loony tunes collection over here. that guy doesn't trust anything or like anything ; that other guy wants to cook while running around the streets of mosul. isn't there anyone in this god damned republic that is sane ? 1570083;1479505061;gabriel_laddel;phf: what, the compiler? 1570084;1479505068;phf;gabriel_laddel: https://common-lisp.net/project/closure/ 1570085;1479505082;gabriel_laddel;phf: oh yeah - it doesn't run. 1570086;1479505099;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/JbnqA << in other housing news, home of "world's first cyber security education center" now under construction near asciilifeform's house. 1570087;1479505106;gabriel_laddel;phf: anyways, I only think we'll be using the browser as a tool to suck information out of into CLIM in the near future. 1570088;1479505117;phf;well, yeah, i'm sure it bitrotted by now, but how much work is it to revive? i kind of have it in the back of my mind for the bright clim future.. 1570089;1479505127;trinque;http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/5841189972.html << found a house for 5 sales of masamune 1570090;1479505134;pete_dushenski;article author audrey wachs is one bitter shillarist! 1570091;1479505153;gabriel_laddel;phf: the "bright CLIM future" doesn't have html/css/js/ any parsing at all in it. 1570092;1479505174;mircea_popescu;lol rapevan. nice trinque does it come with candy ? 1570093;1479505178;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: i don't have much free time now, either. maybe end of next week, at this rate. re. CLIM web - any notes / writeup to help? as in, 20min of your time to save some hours of my time while helping you? 1570094;1479505181;gabriel_laddel;trinque: guess who doesn't know how to drive. 1570095;1479505198;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: sure thing. 1570096;1479505203;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: do you have a website / email? 1570097;1479505208;trinque;mircea_popescu: he'll have a hundred bux for teh candy 1570098;1479505208;Framedragger;trinque: gold 1570099;1479505211;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it isn't particularly near where i live, but i've been there, it is one of the few habitable / clean / civilized towns i've visited in usa 1570100;1479505223;pete_dushenski;aha cool 1570101;1479505229;phf;did they just drop you into the enemy planet without the mothership tether?? 1570102;1479505238;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: expensive, full of retired admirals et al 1570103;1479505269;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ie where you'll be in 40 years :P 1570104;1479505286;mircea_popescu;nah, there's the retiring kind and the executed kind of admiral. 1570105;1479505290;mircea_popescu;he's the executed kind. 1570106;1479505291;asciilifeform;^ 1570107;1479505297;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: fd at mkj dot lt , gpg fingerprint E2DF 986D 58A0 D387 6BA1 65FA CC05 10AA FD8A F4B7 1570108;1479505297;pete_dushenski;!#s when war is over 1570109;1479505297;a111;2 results for "when war is over", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=when%20war%20is%20over 1570110;1479505317;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: suppose so eh 1570111;1479505329;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: you need an ssh account on a vps? 1570112;1479505339;gabriel_laddel;what, why? 1570113;1479505358;Framedragger;stable bouncer, etc., i don't know 1570114;1479505362;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's unclear so far how this fellow can be helped, so if you come up with something... 1570115;1479505395;mircea_popescu;apparently all he wants is coding support and the extant lisp curmudgeons disapprove of his (evidently adolescentine) technological choices. 1570116;1479505408;asciilifeform;that isn't it at all actually 1570117;1479505425;mircea_popescu;no, but it makes for a better story. 1570118;1479505507;mircea_popescu;!!up Gaboose 1570119;1479505507;deedbot;Gaboose voiced for 30 minutes. 1570120;1479505512;asciilifeform;i cannot speak for others, but i disapprove of only two details -- 1) the solution of problems using wordplay & redefinition, the characteristic 'millenial' sin, e.g., 'this ftp daemon is TMSR WEB!', this can of cig butts is lisp machine 2) failure to maintain elementary self-hygiene -- have a hut with locking door, and FOR FUCKS SAKE, MAN, a pgp key 1570121;1479505566;mircea_popescu;myeah. he does live in the ground 0 of the bomb of that though. 1570122;1479505580;asciilifeform;and i live on ground 0 of i dun even want to contemplate what. 1570123;1479505599;mircea_popescu;i literally know no one in sf who owns real estate it turns out. this is mindboggling, how the fuck can the land values be so high! fucking chinese own it all ? aliens ? 1570124;1479505607;asciilifeform;j000z 1570125;1479505615;asciilifeform;same as in manhattan. 1570126;1479505621;mircea_popescu;i know more jooz than abraham. 1570127;1479505627;asciilifeform;the wrong, apparently, set!1111 1570128;1479505629;mircea_popescu;appartently not the right ones 1570129;1479505631;mircea_popescu;myeah 1570130;1479505666;asciilifeform;land in sf is only slightly cheaper than on space station. 1570131;1479505737;asciilifeform;but to return to subj, asciilifeform also owns 0 land. but has a motherfucking POST ADDRESS omfg 1570132;1479505752;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: and you don't have a linux distro to sell. 1570133;1479505770;phf;people that i know who own property in sf are of deep imperial alignment, they would be proper horrified of tmsr and its rhetoric 1570134;1479505773;gabriel_laddel;we all have to optimize for something. 1570135;1479505773;mircea_popescu;he also zings pretty well. 1570136;1479505800;asciilifeform;lulzily enough at one point i had a 'buy this box with sbcl + our proggy installed' item for sale. (nobody, ftr, bought) 1570137;1479505802;asciilifeform;long ago. 1570138;1479505811;gabriel_laddel;lab minion? 1570139;1479505815;asciilifeform;aha 1570140;1479505833;mircea_popescu;well, his sell. i have nfi how that one worx. 1570141;1479505841;asciilifeform;from one pov was a titanic waste of time, from another - best education asciilifeform ever had. 1570142;1479505845;*;phf sold a handful of asterisk + sbcl boxes in the past 1570143;1479505868;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am to believe that 'man can sell' but not enough to rent a post box ? 1570144;1479505875;mircea_popescu;i've seen it. 1570145;1479505903;asciilifeform;300 $ buys three years of post box in state of md. 1570146;1479505915;mircea_popescu;aha. 1570147;1479505918;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i hear ya, i'm interested to take a peek at the thing, tho. 1570148;1479505960;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel make a corp already ; it's like fiddy bux, can be done online, then you can be the officer get bank accounts deposit cash get warehouse rented sleep there. 1570149;1479505969;mircea_popescu;takes all of a week if that. 1570150;1479505971;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel 1570151;1479505971;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1570152;1479505982;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik you need a postbox to register corp in usa. 1570153;1479506007;asciilifeform;also to open bank acct 1570154;1479506024;asciilifeform;(in fact it is Officially Forbidden for folx with 0 fixed addr of residence to open acct) 1570155;1479506035;phf;(after 9/11) 1570156;1479506039;asciilifeform;aha 1570157;1479506081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but he gets the postbox first. 1570158;1479506115;asciilifeform;if he had postbox, and made an OMFG!11111#$$##$# pgp key, he would be at least 1 old lappy richer nao 1570159;1479506128;mircea_popescu;when was that, ~month ago ? 1570160;1479506144;asciilifeform;~= 1570161;1479506153;mircea_popescu;this is all very time-convenient though. because : SEE Framedragger ? SEE ? how about now ? huh ? hm ? 1570162;1479506170;Framedragger;well, this is a fine case in point 1570163;1479506176;*;mircea_popescu goes to get the larger rub-in-er 1570164;1479506189;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: get a second point and draw a line, even 1570165;1479506189;phf;presumably he doesn't have a key, because there's no openpgp implementation in common lisp... 1570166;1479506212;mircea_popescu;from what i recall ended up with his previous life's shit impounded. 1570167;1479506235;asciilifeform;btw i still have nfi how this is possible outside of jail 1570168;1479506257;asciilifeform;it is almost as if fella ~were~ in jail but for some reason did not want to say 1570169;1479506258;mircea_popescu;anyway. the republic isn't poor. but it is very fucking difficult to get proper leverage applied. 1570170;1479506279;gabriel_laddel;phf: my key needs to be recovered. 1570171;1479506292;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im not even sure there's a better place to do something of the scale of "clim computer" than low security us jail. 1570172;1479506298;mircea_popescu;maybe low security swedish jail. 1570173;1479506310;gabriel_laddel;I've not generated a new one because it cannot be done securely due to nonsense in my life right now. 1570174;1479506324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if you have ~very~ good memory, and can rsa in yer head... 1570175;1479506333;mircea_popescu;why ? you can internet and computor. 1570176;1479506336;asciilifeform;can't v. 1570177;1479506343;mircea_popescu;sure you can. 1570178;1479506344;asciilifeform;ergo cannot author code. 1570179;1479506357;asciilifeform;can't maintain sole control of signing key. 1570180;1479506363;mircea_popescu;but ironically, YOU don't want to v until the code's done anyway and put it all in root. so... 1570181;1479506363;asciilifeform;ergo cannot v. 1570182;1479506378;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: sure, but I'd be generating a key on something that regularly connects to the internet. 1570183;1479506385;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: v is a publication instrument, not a swine-herding instrument. 1570184;1479506395;gabriel_laddel;which whatever, can do this if it'd make stas happy until recovery. 1570185;1479506398;mircea_popescu;so he can swineherd in jail and publish once out 1570186;1479506411;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: why did you take gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html offline (just curious)? (it's still in google cache.) decided it'd be not as easy to commercialize? :p 1570187;1479506426;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he'd better have put his sword in some stone he can later get to, out of the jail. 1570188;1479506429;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: the way I want people to get masamune is "have to know a guy" 1570189;1479506449;mircea_popescu;ie, wot. but then... no wot. 1570190;1479506451;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: fuck participating in the usg web / github / CC economy etc. 1570191;1479506486;Framedragger;i guess #trilema helps with bootstrapping the WoT, so there's that 1570192;1479506500;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: as i gather, you are trying to follow the example of mircea_popescu , who - famously - has never worked for pay, etc. but afaik mircea_popescu never had any problems receiving mail or having own comp. 1570193;1479506516;mircea_popescu;i credit the hos. 1570194;1479506572;trinque;there is definitely some yoga chick to move in with in sf 1570195;1479506587;mircea_popescu;which is the correct solution at his age ; hire a receptionist gf to handle the whole circus. 1570196;1479506592;mircea_popescu;trinque ikr. 1570197;1479506606;asciilifeform;don't chix in sf already live 8 to a room ? 1570198;1479506615;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I even created a program to meet girls.. no dice thus yet. 1570199;1479506616;mircea_popescu;so get 8 for the room of 1, win-win. 1570200;1479506621;mircea_popescu;aaahaahha 1570201;1479506624;trinque;wtf program to what 1570202;1479506651;trinque;go to a yoga class and then talk to the teacher chick about how your chakras are all clogged or w/e 1570203;1479506657;trinque;pls 2 halp 1570204;1479506660;gabriel_laddel;lol. so check it out: http://www.vice.com/read/sarah-shoenfeld-makes-art-by-dropping-drugs-on-film-negatives 1570205;1479506675;mircea_popescu;o wait, did we stumble on the problem ? gabriel_laddel are you like all socially shy and weird irl ? 1570206;1479506680;gabriel_laddel;I have a CLIM application that has those photos + other photos of alcohol & cocaine. 1570207;1479506685;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: nah 1570208;1479506714;phf;that's actually pretty cool, reminds me of the 60s mylar art.. 1570209;1479506718;Framedragger;asciilifeform: which is nice and all, but sounds too romanticized for my tastes. "be practical, get a gpg key on a machine that *is* connected to the net, and *later* get a proper one" is imho a sane approach at this point in time. 1570210;1479506720;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I then ask people if they want to participate in a psychology experiment, have them select their favorite 3 photos from the 22 I have. 1570211;1479506762;phf;or rather gouache projections 1570212;1479506764;gabriel_laddel;trinque: then inform them off the "Without explaining the images, they had shown the book to their patients and asked them to pick a favorite. Every single one of them chose their drug of dependence, with 100 percent accuracy. Even the secretary who only ever drank coffee chose caffeine." 1570213;1479506776;gabriel_laddel;and the correlations I've encountered thus far. 1570214;1479506793;gabriel_laddel;(have ~100 datapoints which includes hair color, eye color, ethnicity) 1570215;1479506803;gabriel_laddel;and in some cases, previous drug use. 1570216;1479506803;asciilifeform;lol, mephedrone ! i had nfi it existed outside of ex-sov countries 1570217;1479506820;trinque;so the fitness function is having compatible addictions? 1570218;1479506834;gabriel_laddel;Nah, this is just an icebreaker. 1570219;1479506845;mircea_popescu;judicious for the scene. 1570220;1479506857;gabriel_laddel;I thought it was BS, but there appear to be some correlations. 1570221;1479506861;asciilifeform;where in usa can i meet a mephedrone-eater ? 1570222;1479506872;gabriel_laddel;eg, people with blue eyes like the alcohol photos. 1570223;1479506884;gabriel_laddel;which is odd, because people with blue eyes are more likely to be alcoholics 1570224;1479506888;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: what was your sample size ? 1570225;1479506899;asciilifeform;100 ? 1570226;1479506913;gabriel_laddel;thereabouts. we shall see if these correlations hold up to ~5k. 1570227;1479506920;gabriel_laddel;at which point something interesting can be said. 1570228;1479506931;gabriel_laddel;trinque: anyways, have not met a suitable girl yet. 1570229;1479506946;ben_vulpes;what, all missing parts? 1570230;1479506947;trinque;someday the addiction matrix will align! 1570231;1479506972;gabriel_laddel;all the women out here are involved in "social justice" bs. 1570232;1479506977;gabriel_laddel;at least the ones I keep running into. 1570233;1479506987;ben_vulpes;yeah you gotta catch 'em at like 22 1570234;1479506988;trinque;california is pretty cancerous, yes 1570235;1479507003;ben_vulpes;cant imagine life is still viable at 22 these days though 1570236;1479507011;ben_vulpes;"omg dating down is reprehensible!" 1570237;1479507019;ben_vulpes;"omg its the only way to get unbrainwashed girlfriends" 1570238;1479507023;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570190 << and yet you're on angel.co lol :p (just sayin'.) 1570239;1479507023;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 22:00 gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: fuck participating in the usg web / github / CC economy etc. 1570240;1479507033;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: oh ty, need to delete that. 1570241;1479507088;Framedragger;" Achievements Identified and prototyped the first realistic solution to the education problem. " << nice 1570242;1479507096;trinque;ben_vulpes: sjw zombies still wrecking the latte economy up there? 1570243;1479507127;gabriel_laddel;ben_vulpes: it's not so bad. My life is actually pretty cool, just not found a suitable gf and can only spend so much time looking per day. 1570244;1479507131;*;trinque still wants drone footage 1570245;1479507139;gabriel_laddel;I get to attend many more optics seminars than you all do. 1570246;1479507145;gabriel_laddel;And they are v good. 1570247;1479507146;ben_vulpes;trinque: they're noisy and have ~0 to do with anything 1570248;1479507148;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel yes, but wouldja get yourself in a position where we can help you already ? 1570249;1479507241;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: understood. 1570250;1479507306;ben_vulpes;trinque: http://i.imgur.com/ImeAUIP.jpg 1570251;1479507311;ben_vulpes;> activist 1570252;1479507403;mircea_popescu;o check it out, a picture including no real people. 1570253;1479507429;mircea_popescu;"dj princess dimebag" 1570254;1479507478;phf;i actually thought that was something mp made up before i checked again.. 1570255;1479507512;asciilifeform;holy fuck what is a 'dj princess dimebag' 1570256;1479507516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the ftp repurposing is why i originally imagined he's got a web server replacement. 1570257;1479507527;mircea_popescu;which, in passing let it be said, would be pretty fucking epic. 1570258;1479507539;mircea_popescu;phf i am not creative enough, soz. 1570259;1479507612;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and you laughed when i proposed to resurrect gopher!111 1570260;1479507660;mircea_popescu;i have higher expectations of adults 1570261;1479507666;mircea_popescu;after all, you do have postbox. 1570262;1479507675;asciilifeform;but no mig! 1570263;1479507697;mircea_popescu;ya well. 1570264;1479507743;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570161 << i actually hate it that the emotional intensity of my frustration was much reduced by this timing! on the constructive side of things... how can one, well, streamline this? "we have the technology!!" maybe more loper-os / trilema education/outreach.. :) 1570265;1479507743;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 21:55 mircea_popescu: this is all very time-convenient though. because : SEE Framedragger ? SEE ? how about now ? huh ? hm ? 1570266;1479507798;mircea_popescu;in a sane country like say 1800s turkey we'd just go to the slave markets and buy the kids who washed their eyes in preference of their mouths. 1570267;1479507803;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel 1570268;1479507803;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1570269;1479507803;mircea_popescu;but in present times i have nfi. 1570270;1479507877;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in sane country, you wait for newton or even lomonosov to make his long, long, long walk to your lecture hall. 1570271;1479507881;asciilifeform;just like today. 1570272;1479507886;mircea_popescu;Framedragger there's this phenomenon multiple people confessed to (inc, famously, pete_dushenski ) whereby trilema takes a while to read but then clicks. that while is months. getting someone to read it for months as a deliberate act seems beyond the feasible. 1570273;1479507891;asciilifeform;you do not go to shithole village to pick up random kid, no. 1570274;1479507904;mircea_popescu;ikr. 1570275;1479507977;shinohai; I read trilema for months before I ever knocked on door @ irc 1570276;1479508080;Framedragger;interestingly, i believe that i first discovered this insane asylum by reading loper-os (presumably same as gabriel_laddel). it appealed to me straight away because i could relate on a purely technical level (inasmuch as a youngling can 'relate', etc.) [also, registered nanotube's WoT key before mircea_popescu muaha] 1570277;1479508103;mircea_popescu;lol really ? 1570278;1479508107;Framedragger;yup 1570279;1479508121;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 1570280;1479508127;asciilifeform;speaking of such folx, 1570281;1479508131;asciilifeform;!~seen adlai 1570282;1479508131;jhvh1;asciilifeform: I have not seen adlai. 1570283;1479508134;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: well you did rate me "old timer" at first :p 1570284;1479508148;Framedragger;speaking of which, *of course* there's no working WoT visualizer right nao, right? ... 1570285;1479508149;asciilifeform;waiiit wat, 'have not seen' ?! 1570286;1479508149;mircea_popescu;anyway, the prognosis for loper-entrants seems to be a lot worse than for trilema entrants. as gabriel_laddel points out, you're unhinged. 1570287;1479508166;Framedragger;i can see that. 1570288;1479508173;mircea_popescu;Framedragger there isn';t, sadly, no. 1570289;1479508174;Framedragger;"ideologically naive", too, right 1570290;1479508177;mircea_popescu;AND WE NEED IT 1570291;1479508206;Framedragger;invoicing system would help here, too, aaand chicken and egg 1570292;1479508218;gabriel_laddel;Framedragger: what country are you in? 1570293;1479508220;mircea_popescu;Jan 12 03:30:26 * gribble gives voice to Framedragger << 1570294;1479508224;mircea_popescu;that is... 2012. 1570295;1479508250;Framedragger;gabriel_laddel: currently UK. originally from LT. will prob be in latter during summer 1570296;1479508274;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i checked when gpg keys were registered 1570297;1479508281;Framedragger;and the latter is what i meant 1570298;1479508297;mircea_popescu;Framedragger im not disputing the claim, just, now reading my otc logs with a highliught on your name lol 1570299;1479508301;mircea_popescu;something about butt lubings. 1570300;1479508312;Framedragger;heh. fuck. 1570301;1479508331;Framedragger;oya, helped a kid. he gave me coins iirc 1570302;1479508344;mircea_popescu;!!rated Framedragger 1570303;1479508344;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated Framedragger 2 at 2016/07/10 18:38:40 << Le ssh! 1570304;1479508353;mircea_popescu;!!rate Framedragger 4 Really, he's ancient. 1570305;1479508354;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0ypsh/?raw=true 1570306;1479508362;Framedragger;:). 1570307;1479508380;mircea_popescu;!!v 6D328D6DE858B9CA8291C29771C86BAC91D0BC1BC3DB7088619766E8B4B3B16 1570308;1479508469;mircea_popescu;ah we were so young. 1570309;1479508481;Framedragger;!!rate mircea_popescu 4 Look, I haven't made up my mind, but he is a very constructive terrorist. 1570310;1479508482;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/defny/?raw=true 1570311;1479508498;mircea_popescu;you have any idea what happened to vragnaroda ? 1570312;1479508508;Framedragger;bitcoin-otc paypal dealings aplenty and all that 1570313;1479508519;Framedragger;oh! hm, no. 1570314;1479508539;Framedragger;i'm trying to recall, was he a grammar nazi a bit? 1570315;1479508545;Framedragger;on #bitcoin-otc 1570316;1479508566;mircea_popescu;lol. yes, he was a grammer naxi correcteing ppls grammer 24/7 1570317;1479508600;Framedragger;!!v 84F754743ECF4BBE14AD17AAA02AFE60E2C85E8A7C587FC6B090FC3E1CA13FFD 1570318;1479508600;deedbot;Framedragger rated mircea_popescu 4 << Look, I haven't made up my mind, but he is a very constructive terrorist. 1570319;1479508618;mircea_popescu;da fuck... my v not good enough for ye deedbot ? 1570320;1479508633;mircea_popescu;!!v 6D328D6DE858B9CA8291C29771C86BAC91D0BC1BC3DB7088619766E8B4B3B167 1570321;1479508633;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 2 to 4 << Really, he's ancient. 1570322;1479508647;mircea_popescu;"your !!v has been doublespent" 1570323;1479508660;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: btw, i later wasn't much in touch and didn't follow your fallout with nanotube much. maybe there's a trilema article tho?.. 1570324;1479508663;Framedragger;heh 1570325;1479508683;Framedragger;by "much in touch" i meant, didn't spend time on bitcoin-otc 1570326;1479508684;mircea_popescu;no fallout really ; you mean why the bots split ? 1570327;1479508708;Framedragger;ah - was the latter the whole story? if so, fair enough. stateful vs stateless, right? 1570328;1479508742;mircea_popescu;well before that they did this stupid thing where they were going to have "standards" and whatnot ; with that rank imbecile gmaxwell in charge of "moderation". 1570329;1479508762;Framedragger;ohyeeeeah. shitty mod. no disagreement there. right. 1570330;1479508794;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/ < 1570331;1479508832;phf;!#seen adlai 1570332;1479508832;a111;2016-11-08 has been in polling stations, more than 100 people vote in 'cities' 1570333;1479508843;mircea_popescu;anyway. basically, sjws staged a coup, got left behind, place kinda rotted away or w/e. 1570334;1479508896;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ah, those logs are instructive. much thanks 1570335;1479508898;asciilifeform;the only working part of jhvh1 is currently the koran quote funct, isnnit. 1570336;1479508904;Framedragger;gotcha. 1570337;1479508917;mircea_popescu;!~calc 75*22 1570338;1479508918;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 75*22 = 1650 1570339;1479508949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure search was always !# ; also !~ is shinohai 's bot not Framedragger 1570340;1479508990;shinohai;Gotta update the google search because they rate-limit requests without an api token. 1570341;1479509016;mircea_popescu;!$hello 1570342;1479509017;scriba;Hello, world! My uptime is 10 days, 21:12:23. 1570343;1479509032;mircea_popescu;^ only interactive scriba function as per contravex 1570344;1479509046;asciilifeform;would be useful to have a 1570345;1479509049;asciilifeform;!$whosebot 1570346;1479509065;Framedragger;i proposed. bot for bots. up the metastack we go 1570347;1479509072;asciilifeform;no, just a convention 1570348;1479509076;Framedragger;not sure if not masturbation 1570349;1479509084;Framedragger;but yeah, it is confusing a bit... 1570350;1479509084;mircea_popescu;maybe have !*daddy implemented across all of them ? "I am owned by ." 1570351;1479509095;asciilifeform;^ 1570352;1479509105;mircea_popescu;not sure i want to put this in standard, but if people implement then maybe. 1570353;1479509113;Framedragger;well my bot at least tells you whose its daddy if you /msg scriba help :p 1570354;1479509134;mircea_popescu;possibly better like that, seeing how not all bots will necessarily be voiced. 1570355;1479509136;Framedragger;(oh wait, it doesn't actually mention daddy. will fix.) 1570356;1479509145;shinohai;!~daddy 1570357;1479509145;jhvh1;I am owned by shinohai 1570358;1479509145;mircea_popescu;so you know, add it in help output as a matter of best practice 1570359;1479509156;mircea_popescu;hehe that was quick 1570360;1479509193;phf;!#daddy 1570361;1479509193;a111;fuck off 1570362;1479509206;phf;hmm 1570363;1479509214;Framedragger;teen problems 1570364;1479509458;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: it is actually nice to consider that all that paypal moneys i received for bitcoin in -otc were not chargeback'd. it's a nice feeling. but i suppose that's chiefly because 1) i hadn't done that many transactions, and 2) amounts were low... 1570365;1479509509;BingoBoingo;Oh, attention for Phuctor asciilifeform mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/#comment-78713 1570366;1479509518;*;Framedragger just got email from kraken "Security Advisory: Mobile Phones" wherein it says that, you know, wait, your mobile phone is actually not a super secure device. maybe be more careful. lols 1570367;1479509577;*;Framedragger bbl 1570368;1479509747;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/still-another-fork-digs-into-overcooked-ethereum/ << Qntra - Still Another Fork Digs Into Overcooked Ethereum 1570369;1479509791;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/#comment-78740 1570370;1479509840;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox to fix my link 1570371;1479509845;asciilifeform;i have nfi what happened to it 1570372;1479509848;asciilifeform;but it points to soup 1570373;1479509894;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You forgot http:// 1570374;1479509899;asciilifeform;aaah 1570375;1479509905;BingoBoingo;fxd 1570376;1479509908;asciilifeform;ty 1570377;1479509920;mircea_popescu;Framedragger hey, i paid a grand via paypal for like 60 btc back in 2012. back then bitcoin was still enjoying the benefit of not having been popularized. 1570378;1479509926;mircea_popescu;it never should have been, in retrospect, but hey. 1570379;1479509927;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/last-remains-of-changetip-to-be-buried/ << Qntra - Last Remains Of ChangeTip To Be Buried 1570380;1479510135;mircea_popescu;shinohai its company. 1570381;1479510190;shinohai;company? 1570382;1479510253;mircea_popescu;in your qntra piece, first line. 1570383;1479510553;shinohai;I read `company` 1570384;1479510560;mircea_popescu;lol 1570385;1479510594;shinohai;oh the `it's` 1570386;1479510599;mircea_popescu;aha. 1570387;1479510616;*;shinohai uses aspell, which loves to replace that to my chagrin. 1570388;1479510675;shinohai;In other, worse than shinohai's journalism http://archive.is/I5nVA 1570389;1479510711;mircea_popescu;o hey, they're finally going away ? 1570390;1479510827;asciilifeform;'A representative from Bitbank, in response to the same question, responded by linking to “A Statement from Members of the Bitcoin Community,” which announces a $1.2 million grant fund for Bitcoin protocol development. ' << lel, wai so miserly, if gonna bribe folks to shoot self in the head, oughta offer more 1570391;1479510838;mircea_popescu;or for thaty matter less. 1570392;1479510897;asciilifeform;'The Bitcoin community and, especially, miners, now face the most important decision in Bitcoin’s existence. They are to choose between two fundamentally different visions for bitcoin’s future. Segwit, a centralized capacity increase from 1MB to around 1.7MB, or Bitcoin Unlimited, a decentralized mechanism for on-chain scalability decision making. ' << sanity not, according to this thing, on the table ..? 1570393;1479510899;shinohai;Roger Ver's latest bribe attempt. Offering 25 BTC block rewards to Venezuelan miners just didn't work. 1570394;1479510919;mircea_popescu;doh. controvarsity. 1570395;1479511049;ben_vulpes;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/u-s-marshal-killed-serving-warrant-georgia-mobile-home-park-article-1.2879101 1570396;1479511143;mircea_popescu;foreals 1570397;1479511154;asciilifeform;woah, black d00d in a trailer?! 1570398;1479511285;ben_vulpes;a) i dunno that georgians live in anything but b) who knows if it was even 'his' 1570399;1479511300;mircea_popescu;tru pimps get hos mobile homes! 1570400;1479511333;asciilifeform;http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-marshals-arresting-people-not-paying-student-loans-article-1.2533153 << earlier lulz linked from same rag 1570401;1479511334;ben_vulpes;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-argentina-protests-idUSKBN13D2JY << "tens of thousands!" 1570402;1479511350;mircea_popescu;lmao gtfo. 1570403;1479511383;ben_vulpes;protests now outside congress and not casa rosada so that mircea_popescu cannot debunk by stretching and walking outside 1570404;1479511387;ben_vulpes;'protests' 1570405;1479511423;ben_vulpes;ahaha "a demonstrator disguised as santa clause gestures next to a christmas tree with signs demanding aid plans and reform bills" 1570406;1479511437;ben_vulpes;http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20161118&t=2&i=1162278312&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=780&pl=468&sq=&r=LYNXMPECAH1KE << CHRISTMAS TREE 1570407;1479511481;mircea_popescu;gimmicky as per usual. cgt affair. really more in the vein of 7-800 ppls but w/e. 1570408;1479511493;ben_vulpes;cgt? 1570409;1479511507;ben_vulpes;confederacio general trabajadores? 1570410;1479511509;mircea_popescu;yeah 1570411;1479511537;mircea_popescu;http://bucket2.glanacion.com/anexos/fotos/67/2304067w640.jpg << better pic. 1570412;1479511572;mircea_popescu;anyway, they're all excited because something or the other with paperwork, various union heads finally deflated their heads enough to fit in same room or such. 1570413;1479511615;mircea_popescu;basically they're trying to get a "social emergency" declared, and have free money thrown at people "because they need it" somesuch. 1570414;1479512145;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570400 << /me currently holds a few girls who allegedly owe for their ustardian education. 1570415;1479512145;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 23:22 asciilifeform: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-marshals-arresting-people-not-paying-student-loans-article-1.2533153 << earlier lulz linked from same rag 1570416;1479512267;mircea_popescu;needless to say, the most usg will ever collect on that is as many bullets as its agents can carry. 1570417;1479512794;phf;asciilifeform: what was the thinkpad you were saying good "except the monitor", 80 something? 1570418;1479513098;mircea_popescu;https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2016/05/03/BostonGlobe.com/Magazine/Images/opener0522collegedebt.jpg << notice who;s barefoot. 1570419;1479513103;BingoBoingo; aha. << ty fxd 1570420;1479513184;mircea_popescu;"the college debt is worse than you tihnk", aka girls being 2/3 overweight, living together, no degree after decade of "work" and obviously, all this paid for by promises that can't be kept. 1570421;1479513191;asciilifeform;phf: pretty much all of the ones mircea_popescu mentioned having 1570422;1479513201;mircea_popescu;apparently "independence" of this kind is an improvement over being naked in my dungeon. somehow. 1570423;1479513203;mircea_popescu;don't ask me how. 1570424;1479513205;asciilifeform;(e.g., x40, t40) 1570425;1479513227;asciilifeform;phf: x60 1570426;1479513253;phf;ah, k 1570427;1479513268;asciilifeform;i would personally throw out all but x60 if it were possible to fit an ips glass into it 1570428;1479513397;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569973 << Seriously real domain. Tis where the Trumpreich appointment application lives. 1570429;1479513397;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 21:12 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they seriously made that domain ? i thought was just bingo being memetic. 1570430;1479513465;phf;i think i might have two of those, but both, if i recall, kept dying for mysterious reasons.. 1570431;1479513519;asciilifeform;phf: if you 'linuxbiosed' it, it will die randomly (see thread) 1570432;1479513527;asciilifeform;re rms lying 1570433;1479513593;phf;rms famously uses cli emacs on getty, and starts x "from time to time when he needs to look at some pdfs", that he mostly prints, owing to infinite MIT staff printers 1570434;1479513638;asciilifeform;i was quite unable to do ANYTHING reliably on the thing when it lost fan control (from the linuxbiosification). possibly was just my unit ? though it had virginally clean fans, fresh grease. 1570435;1479513658;asciilifeform;sniffing around on the net revealed other folx who also tried, got same. 1570436;1479513725;phf;well, the result of staple tmsr exercise of "let me grind these lens myself, oh, wait, turns out the `sand` they use is actually cow shit" 1570437;1479513735;asciilifeform;aha. 1570438;1479514194;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570198 << Just use mircea_popescu's okcupid scripts. 1570439;1479514194;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 22:03 gabriel_laddel: trinque: I even created a program to meet girls.. no dice thus yet. 1570440;1479514295;mircea_popescu;is that experience speaking ? 1570441;1479514327;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570216 << Trendy nao 1570442;1479514327;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 22:06 asciilifeform: lol, mephedrone ! i had nfi it existed outside of ex-sov countries 1570443;1479514349;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You meet them in Florid 1570444;1479514364;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where does it come from? who makes - and why 1570445;1479514382;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Of course. Okcupid used to be a waste of time then, OMG run mp scripts and then datez. 1570446;1479514395;asciilifeform;(it is not particularly easier to produce than 'adult' meth, but is considerably weaker) 1570447;1479514408;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Prolly Chinese make like rest of fancy trendy drugs because market. 1570448;1479514435;asciilifeform;chinese dope in usa?! 1570449;1479514436;asciilifeform;nuttery 1570450;1479514446;mircea_popescu;lol cool 1570451;1479514454;BingoBoingo;Who makes counterfeit marijuana as mentioned http://qntra.net/2016/11/st-louis-homeless-overdose-on-fake-weed-as-the-great-again-looms/ 1570452;1479514469;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i thought those were to get around bans 1570453;1479514477;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Yeah. Seriously most internet viagra comes from India. 1570454;1479514508;phf;asciilifeform: most likely india 1570455;1479514510;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well sure, but convenience store industry isn't exactly paragon of law abidingness 1570456;1479514515;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: most above-board 'generic pharma' in usa is imported from india. 1570457;1479514527;BingoBoingo;As is below board 1570458;1479514623;phf;at least that's where the bulk of ketamine came from during the, now looks like mostly over, ketamine years 1570459;1479514681;BingoBoingo;Ketamine comes from veterinarians 1570460;1479514686;BingoBoingo;path of least resistance 1570461;1479514704;asciilifeform;and bread - from the baker, lol 1570462;1479514790;BingoBoingo;And sell fat to candle maker! 1570463;1479514807;phf;BingoBoingo: i'm sure some people sourced it that way, but bulk of k came from india, straight out of factories, because at some point it was unregulated there and class whatever here 1570464;1479514853;BingoBoingo;III here, still III because allows brain surgery 1570465;1479514869;*;BingoBoingo can't await the coming of vintage "protest candles" 1570466;1479515868;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/101050/3-reasons-why-you-should-apply-for-a-job-in-the-trump-administration << OMG these people are way behind us on applying for Trumpreich appointments 1570467;1479516658;asciilifeform;'Consideration is taken for possible conflicts of interest. Financial holdings and sources of income must be disclosed.Any conflicts must be remedied by divestiture, the creation of special trusts, and other actions.' << lel 1570468;1479516666;asciilifeform;mr. t divested yet ? 1570469;1479516694;asciilifeform;or is that only for pleberats 1570470;1479516744;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Child operated blind trust. 1570471;1479516870;BingoBoingo;brb 1570472;1479517165;ben_vulpes;!!up Gaboose yo get a connection that stays up, would you? the join/part spam is entirely unnecessary. 1570473;1479517165;deedbot;Gaboose voiced for 30 minutes. 1570474;1479518362;*;mod6 catches up 1570475;1479518485;shinohai;wb mod6 .... all tests from previous discussion today went swimmingly. 1570476;1479518506;mod6;cool! thanks for taking the time to work on that. :] 1570477;1479518522;mod6;i'll be putting in a bunch of testing myself this weekend. 1570478;1479518536;shinohai;my pleasure o7 1570479;1479518964;*;shinohai sighs 1570480;1479518999;shinohai;how hard is it to set up znc? 1570481;1479519923;lobbes;heh, that was the second thing I did after learning how to view a directory in non-winblowz (this is even in logs!). Not hard, but laziness most likely is the problem of Gaboose. For all we know, he is a literal dog with a smartpohne, never to be aware of this conversation 1570482;1479521930;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-439576.txt 1570483;1479522005;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: ^^ 1570484;1479522471;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible." << haha 1570485;1479529261;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570311 << he off in like the end of '11. popped back up a time or two in early '12, iirc. 1570486;1479529261;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 22:34 mircea_popescu: you have any idea what happened to vragnaroda ? 1570487;1479529281;mod6;maybe he'll stop back in one day. 1570488;1479529299;mod6;*he went off 1570489;1479529702;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/18/an-exercise-in-wot-gambling-on-very-very-silly-timescales/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - An exercise in WoT gambling on very, very silly timescales. 1570490;1479530495;mircea_popescu;and in today's installment of the gueto files : hanbot says to woman "nice vest, did you make it yourself ?" and the woman answers... 1570491;1479530519;mircea_popescu;"no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work." 1570492;1479530526;mircea_popescu;in all deadpan honesty, this. 1570493;1479530869;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570487 << yea mebbe. 1570494;1479530869;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 04:21 mod6: maybe he'll stop back in one day. 1570495;1479532083;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/gZqQJ << in other lulz. 'The tax agency sent a broad request on Thursday to Coinbase, the largest Bitcoin exchange in the United States, asking for the records of all customers who bought virtual currency from the company from 2013 to 2015.' 1570496;1479532204;asciilifeform;( see also horse's mouth, https://archive.is/zfAli ) 1570497;1479532410;mircea_popescu;heh 1570498;1479532468;mircea_popescu;and the obvious response "we have no fucking idea" isn't on the table because coinbase ISNT a bitcoin company. 1570499;1479532469;BingoBoingo;Strength of the gabriel strategy, what will Feds take? All of one's nothing? 1570500;1479532487;mircea_popescu;indigence is not a strategy. 1570501;1479532499;asciilifeform;there are always organs to sell. 1570502;1479532564;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> in all deadpan honesty, this. << haha. 1570503;1479532578;mircea_popescu;yea! 1570504;1479532701;BingoBoingo; there are always organs to sell. << For solution to this see BingoBoingo strategy. Use substances just enough to erase market value from organs, unless grinding for sausage. 1570505;1479539278;ben_vulpes;well now the remaining jo 1570506;1479539281;ben_vulpes;harumph. 1570507;1479539633;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: did you ever apply asciilifeform's 'banhammer'? 1570508;1479556158;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570377 << cool! 1570509;1479556158;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 22:58 mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, i paid a grand via paypal for like 60 btc back in 2012. back then bitcoin was still enjoying the benefit of not having been popularized. 1570510;1479556186;Framedragger;(mandatory framedragger sob about reckless spending of btc back in 2012... :( ) 1570511;1479556350;Framedragger;!~later tell gabriel_laddel fd at mkj dot lt , gpg fingerprint E2DF 986D 58A0 D387 6BA1 65FA CC05 10AA FD8A F4B7 1570512;1479556350;jhvh1;Framedragger: The operation succeeded. 1570513;1479558314;mircea_popescu;Framedragger see, but there's a larger point here. i dunno if you followed the recent discussion re nirvana, but in any case : it is specificlaly NOT the intent of the republic to become popular. 1570514;1479558337;mircea_popescu;the idea is for the republic to be imposed, preferably at the point of a sword, and painfully, VERY painfully, depersonalizingly painfully, to the common man. 1570515;1479558370;mircea_popescu;we absolutely do not want for the common man to "see", in his own, common man terms, the "benefits" of the republic, and then "become part of it" and in the process start selling tmsr keychains at hot topic. 1570516;1479558384;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hmm. okay, i guess i get that this implies a wholly different approach. 1570517;1479558395;mircea_popescu;the battle is for the elites and for the elites strictly. the common man is unwelcome in any capacity outside his physicality. 1570518;1479558416;mircea_popescu;attempts to get the common man involved is how the various socialisms, be they hitler's or stalin's fail. 1570519;1479558419;Framedragger;the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570169 will need to be addressed in due time then, i guess. 1570520;1479558419;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 21:57 mircea_popescu: anyway. the republic isn't poor. but it is very fucking difficult to get proper leverage applied. 1570521;1479558433;mircea_popescu;because the common man consists principally of shit, and as something becomes "popular" it becomes shitty. 1570522;1479558468;mircea_popescu;so no, i don't want joe q mschmucky to "understand" why if he fucks up his payment we keep the txn. or to accept it, or to think it's a good idea. 1570523;1479558483;mircea_popescu;no, i want him to be as upset as he can muster about it ; and then still not actually manage to do anything about it. 1570524;1479558496;mircea_popescu;that is the proper place of the common man : angry powerlessness. 1570525;1479558505;Framedragger;(i wonder if there is a retribution/psychological component to this. but maybe not.) 1570526;1479558534;mircea_popescu;there is - the common man is lazy. the only thing that can support his transition to actual human is the experience of furious impotence. 1570527;1479558547;mircea_popescu;it does not work for all, of course. but if it didn't work it means there was nothing there. 1570528;1479558571;Framedragger;strangely i can't object to this. ("spent too much time here"). yeah, ok. 1570529;1479558590;mircea_popescu;right. because this isn't another lollapalooza or w/e. 1570530;1479558599;mircea_popescu;"the republic isn't optional." 1570531;1479558621;mircea_popescu;for the derps, it is mandatory because they are powerless ; and for the elite it is the only viable alternative (and thus also mandatory). 1570532;1479558635;mircea_popescu;because hey, if you can... you must. 1570533;1479558645;Framedragger;(also, if there was one tv series you may want to watch, it'd be "black mirror". i watched their "christmas special" ("white christmas") yesterday, and somehow on an emotional level it made me feel easier about not having much hope in the "populace". the smarter the technological tools that the populace gets to play with, the more they fuck themselves and others up.) 1570534;1479558709;*;mircea_popescu adds to list. 1570535;1479558710;Framedragger;i don't knot about the "*only*" viable alternative. you yourself mentioned some time ago that it's perfectly normal for other intelligent peeps to have their own WoT networks (which are not connected to tmsr WoT). 1570536;1479558729;mircea_popescu;yes, and they are part of the republic. per definition. 1570537;1479558765;Framedragger;(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror) - episodes are disjoint in terms of narrative and actors, and are stand-alone.) 1570538;1479558772;mircea_popescu;just because i'm influential doesn't mean i'm universal. a grass eating quadripede in south america is just as much a herbivore as the common horse, even if they never met. 1570539;1479558772;Framedragger;hm. i guess i see that. 1570540;1479559127;mircea_popescu;by and large, the notion that the common man may have a say in his usage / fate is coming to a close. it's some weird shit some dudes pulled out of their ass and then argued persuasively a few centuries ago, it was tried in a massive social experiment, and showed to not work in any conceivable implementation. to call this a trend reversal is to entirely miss that the alternative dominates millenia by the hundreds ; "humanism" 1570541;1479559127;mircea_popescu; is nary a spec in this history and soon forgotten like bell bottoms and whatever other fashionable nonsense. 80s hair and 1790s sociopolitics. 1570542;1479559234;mircea_popescu;as this realisation grips the masses, watch for the populist politicians display a turn of heart about the term "future". 1570543;1479559245;mircea_popescu;the same dorks who were all happy with us electoral system up until nov 8th. 1570544;1479559291;mircea_popescu;similarly "it's the way of the future" isn't going to make shiny happy people out of the populist party that used nothing but this all through 1800. 1570545;1479559389;mircea_popescu;and NOW we shall come back to your http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570510 : it's easy to misperceive that whatever, the republic, take it or leave it, in 2016. it's easy to think that hey, maybne i;ll make myself a computer that works, or maybe i won't, who cares. in 2016. 1570546;1479559389;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 11:49 Framedragger: (mandatory framedragger sob about reckless spending of btc back in 2012... :( ) 1570547;1479559407;mircea_popescu;but the battle is on, and it's the battle for souls. once the door closes there's no redemption. 1570548;1479559504;mircea_popescu;$1k was nothing in 2012 like it is today ; and would have done nothing more for me then than now. what i bought for it was pretty stupid, according to the experts of the time, and doomed to failure. a working computer is pretty stupid, according to the experts of 2016, and obviously doomed to "it can't work". 1570549;1479559527;mircea_popescu;the common man is made out of bad choices, informed by his laziness. 1570550;1479559669;Framedragger;a working computer *may* just not be available in the future, i do believe that fully. not to go all cliche dystopian, but neural implants based on Secure Microsoft Quantum Encryption(R) and the likes may be what people use to "compute" in the future 1570551;1479559688;Framedragger;and if that happens, we will have but our laziness to blame. 1570552;1479559710;Framedragger;so, yeah. 1570553;1479559764;Framedragger;(and the common man will just have found more tools to assfuck himself with.) 1570554;1479559796;Framedragger;(and i'm scared, and i should be scared; etc.) 1570555;1479560040;mircea_popescu;lol. 1570556;1479560057;mircea_popescu;was in some 2013 article iirc, "history usually flows in the direction of most fucking common man" 1570557;1479560122;mircea_popescu;in lighter news, found delicious armenian restaurant yest. manned by actual to god armenian. the difference from the local cows is shocking and immediate. 1570558;1479560142;mircea_popescu;if danielpbarron ever visits ima feed him a sarma there :) 1570559;1479560528;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the whole "oh, microsoft secure implants" is really just so much narcissism. as the raped girl angrily if unsuccessfully points out ( http://trilema.com/2013/the-dead-jew-and-the-raped-girl/ ), the peasants could at any point not have been peasants. "could". the pretense that "couldn't" is exactly what kept them in line them, and it's the source of this "secure implants bla bla" wet dream. 1570560;1479560533;mircea_popescu;reality never worked that way to date. 1570561;1479560601;mircea_popescu;no, it simply will be "nobody knows how to turn it on without the talking paperclip, and they can't muster the energy to try and find out". that's it. what, you think argentines fail because they're not connected to the same internet we are ? they're connected, i'm living proof. but to them, it's all netflix. 1570562;1479560731;mircea_popescu;a country of farmers with "vida de noche" which consists of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570491 1570563;1479560731;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work." 1570564;1479561502;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, ok - i guess my point was that it'd be very horrible, but i suppose the chief horror is in the learned-unthinking-ness of masses. the rest is just aftereffects 1570565;1479561523;mircea_popescu;nobody forces them to carry the smartphones hm ? 1570566;1479561530;Framedragger;yeah. 1570567;1479562590;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i plan to set up a "phuctor results investigation dashboard". (iirc trinque or someone planned to do sth of the kind, but since this overlaps with the "check distinct banner amounts etc", i may as well do it properly). nothing fancy so as to keep it actually deliverable, but i have a plan. 1570568;1479562591;Framedragger;i was wondering, would S.SNA (or whatever entity) be able to pay for a VPS? 9.6 EUR / mo., payment monthly, my VPS accepts bitcoin. 1570569;1479562633;mircea_popescu;how about you apply for a grant to the foundation and i lean on ben_vulpes / mod6 to approve it ? 1570570;1479562639;Framedragger;(if not, i still want to do it, so will prolly still do it.) 1570571;1479562648;Framedragger;nice, sounds like a proper process. 1570572;1479562650;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: mkay will do. 1570573;1479562656;mircea_popescu;you need what, .15 btc for a year ? 1570574;1479562690;mircea_popescu;also : mkay is resistive okay. not what you mean here amirite ? 1570575;1479562713;Framedragger;0.18 to be safe, i think. 1570576;1479562721;Framedragger;oh shit :D 1570577;1479562723;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: okay. 1570578;1479562728;Framedragger;not at all. 1570579;1479562730;mircea_popescu;alrighty, you write the application, make it short and to the point. 1570580;1479562739;Framedragger;okay 1570581;1479562796;mircea_popescu;then once approved someone can write a qntra piece about the whole thing and lo and behold, crony republicanism! 1570582;1479562832;Framedragger;elite insiders 1%!!! 1570583;1479562919;Framedragger;(also, my initial plan was to ask for a month as i can't predict with absolute certainty actual resource requirements. but i think i have a decent picture of what's needed.) 1570584;1479563052;mircea_popescu;won't be worth anyone's time to dick around with monthlies 1570585;1479563133;Framedragger;sure. 1570586;1479563153;Framedragger;also, i take it S.BISP is not currently offering services? :) 1570587;1479563176;mircea_popescu;kinda deals in whole boxes, you know. 1570588;1479563200;Framedragger;yeah, that i know. well, it's not needed for now, so, ok 1570589;1479563244;*;mircea_popescu doesn't believe in this whole virtualization thing as implemented by cloud/vps/etc. the only virtualization that makes sense to me is via teh uci. 1570590;1479563255;mircea_popescu;but that infrastructure's not yet ready 1570591;1479563290;Framedragger;it's nice to be able to have a virtual box for cheapsies - can be migrated to bare metal when the time comes. 1570592;1479563329;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dt7dr/?raw=true 1570593;1479563329;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1570594;1479563337;Framedragger;i see that http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html doesn't have an 'owner' field - can sometimes be a useful thing, no? 1570595;1479563390;mircea_popescu;no argument. 1570596;1479563416;mircea_popescu;Framedragger could be, and mod6 is also working on making private ticket trees and other things 1570597;1479563427;Framedragger;cool stuff. 1570598;1479563442;mircea_popescu;it is quite possible mod6 's ticket infrastructure eventually turns into the hiring interface we were discussing yest. 1570599;1479563472;Framedragger;wouldn't that be something :) 1570600;1479564019;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: asking for advice - should i include a note that should additional hosting resources be needed during the 12 month period, an additional grant (it'd include supporting data of course) may be sought? just to be transparent? 1570601;1479564042;Framedragger;(transparent about the fact that hosting resource expectations are preliminary.) 1570602;1479564079;mircea_popescu;not really the place to discuss contingencies i dun think. 1570603;1479564089;Framedragger;sure, ok. 1570604;1479564116;mircea_popescu;slippery slope, "and iof the internet runs away i'll try and run after it, and if it rains i;ll wear umbrellas and..." 1570605;1479564124;mircea_popescu;grantwriting is in desperate need of reform. 1570606;1479564148;mircea_popescu;should be judged on terseness not on bureaucratic notions of value ("it's long! and full of platitudes! let's count the platitudes!") 1570607;1479565068;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: plox to review: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/nz8wn/?raw=true 1570608;1479565093;mircea_popescu;lol k 1570609;1479565219;mircea_popescu;not terrible, has all the needed parts except "which shall provide a platform for those interested in analysing RSA keys and the surrounding metadata collected and provided by Phuctor" could benefit from (such as : by x, and y, and z) as it's currently not even vaguely clear what i could do on that platform. 1570610;1479565267;Framedragger;okay - i wanted not to over-commit, but this is indeed pretty damn vague. will think and amend. 1570611;1479565283;mircea_popescu;for starters, explain it to me. so what do i do there ? 1570612;1479565306;asciilifeform;Framedragger: let me know what, if anything, you need on my end. but i must warn, querying the db is ruinously slow. 1570613;1479565330;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ideally he gets the phucked page once and then follows rss. 1570614;1479565343;mircea_popescu;much to ben_vulpes 's chagrin. 1570615;1479565350;asciilifeform;the rss skipped 100s of keys not long ago. 1570616;1479565358;asciilifeform;www is shit soup. 1570617;1479565370;*;mircea_popescu is amused how the collection of crap pisses off someone particularly. dns, rss, if it ends in s it's shit. 1570618;1479565400;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suppose he reloads the phucked page every time he gets a rss feed which doesn't include items he already has. 1570619;1479565411;asciilifeform;then. 1570620;1479565441;Framedragger;there would be, as per my current plan, two 'portals'. one would expose the db (postgres). current plan: ths would use phppgadmin. it's maintained and stable. user would make use of a read-only db role. so you could run sql queries on the whole thing. "whole thing" = sql schema which 1570621;1479565466;Framedragger;hosts the phuctor data - p, q, e - and metadata - including country codes from geoip where applicable. 1570622;1479565488;asciilifeform;it isn't whole bag though - i had to make manual sql queries, and wait quite a while, to get the stats for the recent qntra piece 1570623;1479565527;asciilifeform;the info re ~unphuctored~ moduli, or relationship b/w moduli and keys, is not in the 'phuctored' page naturally 1570624;1479565539;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what db ? 1570625;1479565550;Framedragger;second 'portal' would be more simplistic and would, first off, be a simple way for me to present some non-gimmicky visualizations, e.g. what asciilifeform suggested some months ago. 1570626;1479565568;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if i put even slightly more load on db, site will grind to a halt 1570627;1479565569;mircea_popescu;so hm 1570628;1479565577;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: by db i mean a postgresql populated with phuctor data. 1570629;1479565588;Framedragger;ah - i wasn't clear. db would live on this VPS. 1570630;1479565595;Framedragger;it wouldn't proxy to phuctor server 1570631;1479565607;mircea_popescu;so you want to pipe data from phuctor to a vps, and display it there ? 1570632;1479565622;asciilifeform;Framedragger: where do you intend to get the data though 1570633;1479565624;Framedragger;i'm unclear what to do with 'live data feed', but i don't think it's a problem. it could just sync with phuctor at timed intervals. 1570634;1479565665;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yes, if by pipe you mean, bulk-import into VPS, not torture phuctor's own db 24/7. 1570635;1479565669;mircea_popescu;the part i don't follow is where isn't this a waste of your time ? you seem to be trying to do something akin to "i will create a gui atop this command line". ok... how will you guess aforehand what buttons people want to push ? 1570636;1479565697;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: the first 'portal' would allow users to run read-only sql queries. 1570637;1479565710;mircea_popescu;but grep already allows me to do this 1570638;1479565715;Framedragger;so there would be no decision making needed as regards user friendliness / abstract buttons 1570639;1479565719;Framedragger;mhm. 1570640;1479565737;mircea_popescu;so if grep already allows me to do this... what are you doing ? 1570641;1479565740;*;asciilifeform mostly uses grep, sed, to read phucked keys 1570642;1479565745;mircea_popescu;me2. 1570643;1479565753;mircea_popescu;well awk but w/e. 1570644;1479565764;Framedragger;well, you wanted to run, say, DISTINCT on banners. it sure would be great to do it in a non-hacky way, and for others to allow to do the same, no? 1570645;1479565776;mircea_popescu;but banners aren't on phuctor page are they ? 1570646;1479565794;Framedragger;again i screwed up re. phrasing. i'd import the banners from the data i have. 1570647;1479565803;asciilifeform;i got a thing that curls http://.....phucked and goes , nmap, fetches ssl certs if 445, etc 1570648;1479565820;mircea_popescu;ok so you aim to take some data from phuctor, integrate it with some data you already have, and perhaps with other data you can obtain, and present it conveniently ? 1570649;1479565834;Framedragger;i suppose a more simplistic thing to do would be for me to fish out those banners, convert into decent format if needed, and to give to whoever wants :) 1570650;1479565836;mircea_popescu;this, as an evolutionary superset of "i'll just dump a db of banners and you're more than welcome to match yourselves" ? 1570651;1479565841;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yes 1570652;1479565845;mircea_popescu;so like this it makes sense 1570653;1479565847;asciilifeform;really the banners ought to be in phuctor db 1570654;1479565859;mircea_popescu;i dun wanna have to resolve record matching every time i want to query the joint set. 1570655;1479565863;mircea_popescu;see ? gotta make sense! 1570656;1479565867;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i know - i hope to have time next Wed to look into this 1570657;1479565892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you want to integrate it there. and next week someone observes really Y thing should also be and you're unbound. 1570658;1479565919;mircea_popescu;dja feel mentally flexible enough to deal with that ? 1570659;1479565926;Framedragger;i mean, tbh i should give asciilifeform those banners. VPS DB idea can wait. 1570660;1479565946;*;mircea_popescu is not against either approach. 1570661;1479565956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not really. nothing stops phuctor from displaying '3.1.3.7 on date X' and '3.1.3.7 on date Y' as separate keys etc 1570662;1479565975;mircea_popescu;well up to you, it's your shitsoup. 1570663;1479565989;asciilifeform;and 'Notes' field can include whatever. 1570664;1479566004;mircea_popescu;yeah but by now it includes so much we actually wnat to structure it ;/ 1570665;1479566028;asciilifeform;which is why i realized that i am doomed to rewrite it yearly... 1570666;1479566049;mircea_popescu;heh 1570667;1479566067;mircea_popescu;that's how it starts you know. 1570668;1479566070;Framedragger;i guess another thing is, it would be nice for #trilema folx to be able to test their own phuctor-related hypotheses without having to download all the data. but, it's not as if it's exabytes of data or anything... 1570669;1479566115;asciilifeform;Framedragger: probably thing to do will be periodic dumps 1570670;1479566118;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ok but if one actually wants to sql on it, dumping it in a table isn't much work. 1570671;1479566154;mircea_popescu;often though i'm happy with just a bash. i think like once i actually wanted sql syntax 1570672;1479566160;mircea_popescu;and then was too lazy and bashed it anyway. 1570673;1479566221;Framedragger;that's true! this wouldn't be anything amazeballs. 1570674;1479566228;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if you wanna do data visualisations, the thing to do is the wot explorer. that i actually miss. 1570675;1479566243;Framedragger;hmm, there is that, too. 1570676;1479566263;asciilifeform;when i reopen the thing ( which is definitely not now, i am sweating now over a long-behindschedule unrelated item coauthored with mircea_popescu ) it will be to speed up the key eater 1570677;1479566280;*;mircea_popescu subscribes to this view. 1570678;1479566293;Framedragger;okay, i'll sit on it, meanwhile have $afk stuff to do, and i'll update next week re. what i'd like to work on, if anything. 1570679;1479566304;mircea_popescu;enjoy. 1570680;1479566400;Framedragger;($afk item #1 is "coffee grinder is a bit shit and requires force, i don't want to use force in my mornings.") :) 1570681;1479567898;Framedragger;(also, rereading the convo, yes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570648 is what i meant, and sorry for you having to spell it out for me!) 1570682;1479567898;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 14:30 mircea_popescu: ok so you aim to take some data from phuctor, integrate it with some data you already have, and perhaps with other data you can obtain, and present it conveniently ? 1570683;1479567898;Framedragger;/me afk for nao 1570684;1479568554;mats;https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/videos/autopilot-self-driving-hardware-neighborhood-short 1570685;1479569805;asciilifeform;is it just me or does nosuchlabs.com not ping ?? 1570686;1479569883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prod the boxmeister plox 1570687;1479569952;asciilifeform;looks like it's been dead for at least 3 hours. 1570688;1479570334;asciilifeform;central points of failure - suck. 1570689;1479570421;asciilifeform;and the days of 'there are servers, and they serve all-comers' -- are numbered. 1570690;1479570619;asciilifeform;now it pings, but won't take a tcp socket. 1570691;1479570626;asciilifeform;i suspect epic ddos, or blackholing. 1570692;1479570745;asciilifeform;the folx whose chumpnet we blew open, with the debian boxes, i suspect -- trying to make their displeasure known. 1570693;1479570968;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: after laocoon was getting connect/disconnect blackholed about a week ago i threw down the banhammer as well as manually banning some decently large ip ranges that were acting the fool. now very slowly catching up to full height but down from ~70 connex to ~15. 1570694;1479570996;Framedragger;asciilifeform: seems that i can make it open 80/tcp, but it won't give me any data 1570695;1479571010;pete_dushenski;shinohai: weechat is easier than znc in my exp. 1570696;1479571081;shinohai;Indeed pete_dushenski ... though I use a combo of both xD 1570697;1479571087;asciilifeform;Framedragger: my guess is -- syn flood 1570698;1479571102;*;Framedragger hopes balticservers provides out-of-band kvm 1570699;1479571114;Framedragger;seems quite likely... 1570700;1479571198;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it does not, afaik. 1570701;1479571211;pete_dushenski;shinohai: o neat 1570702;1479571386;*;asciilifeform getting quite sour on the whole idea of 'public services'. 1570703;1479571425;asciilifeform;the 'public' needs exactly 1 'service' - an infinitely-long, red hot poker thrust up its collective arse, forever. 1570704;1479571551;Framedragger;'providing public services' does not necessarily imply 'provide them on the very box which does the important stuff'.. (though i hear you re. your 'ability to provide caching to live feed' concerns..) 1570705;1479571574;Framedragger;still, the permalink-able key pages can be cached and/or served from somewhere else, no? 1570706;1479571658;pete_dushenski;mats: do you see the appeal in the whole autonomous driving thing ? it strikes me as appealing to the same neophilic and inconsiderate mind that wanted to vote shillary in simply because she's a woman and WOULDN'T THAT BE GREAT, not because the consequences had any bearing on the decision making process. frankly the idea that sv-shitware was in total control of my vehicle is frightening. that many millions 1570707;1479571660;pete_dushenski;of lines of code and that many chinese sensors ~will~ fail at some point. and it will be unexpectedly. and catastrophically. 1570708;1479571757;mod6;Framedragger: black mirror is pretty good -- im halfway through the latest series. 1570709;1479571806;Framedragger;word! :) 1570710;1479571868;asciilifeform;Framedragger: fuck lot of good caching does if the links break. 1570711;1479571875;asciilifeform;(from, e.g., qntra.) 1570712;1479571888;asciilifeform;enemy's whole objective was 'make 0 come up when folx click the link' 1570713;1479571890;asciilifeform;it was achieved. 1570714;1479571933;asciilifeform;usg.dns does not give this 'serve from somewhere else.' deliberately. 1570715;1479571990;asciilifeform;qntra incidentally also loads very, very slowly from here. 1570716;1479571993;asciilifeform;(but -- loads.) 1570717;1479572012;Framedragger;asciilifeform: by links break you mean that they are unreachable for extended periods of time? but boxes with cached static content can be armoured against ddos more, no? i guess unless you maintain that this is indeed syn flood or equivalent, which is agnostic to whether content up the stack is dynamic or sttaic... 1570718;1479572025;asciilifeform;it's a syn flood. 1570719;1479572029;asciilifeform;the trb node just as dead. 1570720;1479572034;Framedragger;ah. 1570721;1479572043;asciilifeform;the 24/7 ssh pipe i had to the box on dedicated display - also dead. 1570722;1479572043;Framedragger;ah right, whole box unreachable, not just http. 1570723;1479572114;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is unreachable WHEN IT COUNTS 1570724;1479572177;asciilifeform;i wrote, in the qntra piece, 'examine debianized boxes for nsaware'. now 'owner' will have a chance to clean up before any mass 'examination' takes place. 1570725;1479572242;Framedragger;i hear you, examining them ourselves (in some automated fashion or w/e) would have been prudent. "trust the public to do it", uh :/ 1570726;1479572254;asciilifeform;('but,' , said my internal mircea_popescutron, 'nobody had the slightest inclination to examine anything!' -- but this is besides the point) 1570727;1479573096;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> Framedragger if you wanna do data visualisations, the thing to do is the wot explorer. that i actually miss. << me too. 1570728;1479573347;mod6;Framedragger: point taken about 'owner' on tickets. I considered adding a 'assignee' or 'owner' for a given ticket(s), but with the narrow view of the first project (trb), i didn't want to discourage people from thinking about solutions for a given problem just because it had my name on it or something. 1570729;1479573407;mod6;Anyway, now that it seems that private a more rich ticketing system is wanted, these things can be considered for sure. Salud! 1570730;1479573495;mats; pete_dushenski: i'm mostly interested in semiautonomous hacks 1570731;1479573518;mats;luxury models commonly ship with park assist and collision avoidance 1570732;1479573544;asciilifeform;mats: familiar with idea of 'risk homeostasis' ? 1570733;1479573548;mats;as well as stability and adaptive cruise control 1570734;1479573551;Framedragger;mod6: sure! maybe "assignee" would have the desired (lesser) connotation, i don't know. coming from some trac feature/bug tracking in distributed teams experience, 'owner' is there interpreted as simply 'person who is ultimately responsible for implementing/fixing this', with other collaborators invited and acknowledged 1570735;1479573555;Framedragger;but yeah, sounds good :) 1570736;1479573592;mats;so, remote steering + acceleration 1570737;1479573640;mats;asciilifeform: first i've heard of it 1570738;1479573664;mod6;Framedragger: aha. yeah, in my experience with ticketing systems ala scrum, it's my observation that if a ticket is "assigned or owned by Jeff, I don't even think twice about it." 1570739;1479573719;Framedragger;fair 'nuff. guess it depends on agreed-upon processes and overall mindsets of team, and so on... 1570740;1479573720;mod6;So I wanted to avoid that. But going forward, I think that'll just some sort of optional field or whatnot. I'm excited to put some work into that as soon as I can here. 1570741;1479573885;Framedragger;mod6: regarding visualizations, i'm just curious, did you have something particular in mind, as in, how do the svg visualizations at http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mod6&to=mircea_popescu and http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mod6/ look to the eye? 1570742;1479573941;Framedragger;i suppose the idea could be to re-implement that, but using deedbot's view of WoT, and add additional things as desired. 1570743;1479574342;Framedragger;asciilifeform: at least with public-static and phuctor boxes being separate, you'd have access to the latter if it were private. (but i guess you could object with "private/undisclosed box on the internet, what is this oxymoron!") 1570744;1479574675;Framedragger;re. visualization, i like stuff like this (mouse over on labels around the circle), but it's a hella lot of JS, and i share the hate towards the latter: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/7607999 - what's nice about btcalpha visualization is that it uses by-now standard html5 canvas directives () with no need for JS. 1570745;1479574726;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: if you go down the 'phuctor visualizer/dash' route, you might consider leaning on pg streaming replication 1570746;1479574751;ben_vulpes;phf: may be able to chime in on how much load that'd add to the db process but i don't think much 1570747;1479574819;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: oh hmm, i've never used it, very interesting and thanks for the pointer 1570748;1479574824;ben_vulpes;wot browser somewhat higher priority though 1570749;1479574824;Framedragger;note to self/logs, check https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Streaming_Replication 1570750;1479574833;mats;many affordable non-luxury cars today ship with front and rear-view wide multi-angle cameras 1570751;1479574873;mats;i wonder what a limited remote steering package on a toyota camry is worth 1570752;1479574978;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570743 << i have, as you can surmise, own comp, that still works 1570753;1479574978;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:52 Framedragger: asciilifeform: at least with public-static and phuctor boxes being separate, you'd have access to the latter if it were private. (but i guess you could object with "private/undisclosed box on the internet, what is this oxymoron!") 1570754;1479574978;trinque;Framedragger: ben_vulpes: it probably makes the most sense for me to do the WoT browser 1570755;1479574982;trinque;anyone else is going to have stale data 1570756;1479574985;Framedragger;regarding visualization, a more condensed question: if a javascript-using thing were delivered, would this be hated upon (and berated by asciilifeform) and accepted if otherwise good and properly maintained, or hated upon and dismissed (and berated by asciilifeform)? :) 1570757;1479574985;mats;i imagine this'd have a lot of applications in, ie, mosul, raqqa, and more modern battlefields of the future 1570758;1479574992;asciilifeform;but it is neither here nor there, the server - falls down whenever enemy wants it to fall down. 1570759;1479574993;Framedragger;asciilifeform: right. :) 1570760;1479575030;Framedragger;trinque: sounds good to me, fwiw! 1570761;1479575040;trinque;alright I'll take that and you can focus on phuctor viz 1570762;1479575041;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: just deliver svgs, eh? 1570763;1479575061;Framedragger;trinque: fine with me 1570764;1479575065;ben_vulpes;even mike_c-'s thing only used js to populate the typeahead iirc 1570765;1479575078;asciilifeform;i utterly do not see , i confess, why phuctor needs 'visualizations' etc 1570766;1479575094;Framedragger;and yeah, i guess one should go with svgs, mike_c used and it was fine 1570767;1479575121;asciilifeform;it needs a key eater that doesn't saturate the db capacity 24/7 -- yes. a server that doesn't fall down when washington farts on it -- also yes. 'js visualizations' ?? 1570768;1479575140;Framedragger;asciilifeform: well, less so visualizations than easy ways to query and analyse data. but, i agree with mircea_popescu and yourself that concrete merits are to be discussed. maybe it's not needed. 1570769;1479575175;Framedragger;i mentioned js in relation to WoT as it's more applicable there (lots of ready-made libraries for discrete graph visualizations and so on) 1570770;1479575349;ben_vulpes;i too would like more detail in re 'shall provide a platform for those interested in analysing RSA keys' 1570771;1479575443;asciilifeform;the most i can offer to anyone is a static copy of the db. and that is supposing that the box comes back up, and stays up. 1570772;1479575458;trinque;^ right way to analyze data 1570773;1479575466;asciilifeform;(backups are a monthly affair, any more often would -- again -- grind whole thing to a screeching halt) 1570774;1479575490;ben_vulpes;'read only sql users to a replica of the phuctor db' is, while an interesting project, not wanted by the people doing most of the analysis afaict 1570775;1479575512;asciilifeform;i cannot offer anything REMOTELY resembling real-time replication, either. 1570776;1479575571;asciilifeform;db is under ~constant ~100% load as-is. 1570777;1479575664;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the main thing wanted by 'people doing most of the analysis' is a BOX THAT STAYS UP 1570778;1479575665;ben_vulpes;replication works on the wal, not on the committed db, and so i don't think it would have the load impact you do. 1570779;1479575670;ben_vulpes;nevertheless, academic. 1570780;1479575671;asciilifeform;which seems to be beyond the current technological state of the art. 1570781;1479575677;asciilifeform;at any price point 1570782;1479575711;ben_vulpes;and i want a mig 1570783;1479575718;asciilifeform;mig -- actually exists... 1570784;1479575725;asciilifeform;box that stays up - different matter. 1570785;1479575763;asciilifeform;them who want mig -- are the lucky'uns. all ya need is a bag of money this-wide and this-tall, and here's yer mig. 1570786;1479575785;asciilifeform;box that stays up - likely, needs new internet. 1570787;1479575807;ben_vulpes;just don't connect it to the internet, what 1570788;1479575813;asciilifeform;then it ain't 'box' 1570789;1479575828;ben_vulpes;oho it isn't now 1570790;1479575869;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: heathen-facing publicationtron is inherently contradictory thing . 1570791;1479575884;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: i'll think about this next week. it may be that it's not really needed, yeah - i agree. and integration of things such as ssh server banners with phuctor keys is something that asciilifeform said he'd be up to do on phuctor's db itself.. 1570792;1479575907;asciilifeform;Framedragger: all of this is quite academic if thing cannot be made to reliably stay up. 1570793;1479575936;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: i am also curious to know what kind of requirements you have for a vps that your current loggotron doesn't serve. 1570794;1479575936;asciilifeform;(and , for folks with poor reading comprehension, i will repeat - entire box is ~unreachable, trb node, ssh, 80, etc ) 1570795;1479575989;*;ben_vulpes off for a while 1570796;1479576299;mod6;Framedragger: so with regard of the wotperson to wotperson (http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mod6&to=mircea_popescu) and all ratings to wotperson (http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mod6/); I think we liked those very much as they were. Of course any sort of improvements could be added if they make sense, etc. 1570797;1479576322;mod6;Framedragger: I do like this graph for sure, http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/7607999 1570798;1479576375;mod6;I think the idea would be to get back to some sort of analog of what mike_c had in place. And then add improvments as necessary. 1570799;1479576402;mod6;This would be a really great project to work on, we're long overdue to get this working with deedbot, etc. 1570800;1479576623;mod6;<+trinque> Framedragger: ben_vulpes: it probably makes the most sense for me to do the WoT browser << perhaps. i'd be up for anything really at this point. 1570801;1479576644;mod6;<+Framedragger> trinque: fine with me << settled then? 1570802;1479577876;trinque;that was me saying I'll do it. 1570803;1479577910;trinque;hacking on it now actually, maybe have something up in a week 1570804;1479578070;mod6;werd 1570805;1479578083;mod6;thanks trinque 1570806;1479579639;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570685 << it pings with ~2-300ms, however i see no web interface. 1570807;1479579639;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 15:36 asciilifeform: is it just me or does nosuchlabs.com not ping ?? 1570808;1479579648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's dead in the water. 1570809;1479579659;asciilifeform;trb, ssh, www, all. 1570810;1479579700;mircea_popescu;31 packets transmitted, 31 received, 0% packet loss, time 30040ms < you actually can't ping it ? 1570811;1479579710;asciilifeform;can ping, 150ms or so, but that's all. 1570812;1479579725;mircea_popescu;well... so you want me to what, datacenter reboot ? 1570813;1479579733;asciilifeform;1st ask'em 'wtf' 1570814;1479579753;mircea_popescu;i can tell you what wtf right now : learn not to overload box. 1570815;1479579761;asciilifeform;it wasn't overloaded. 1570816;1479579814;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts thing is under syn flood. 1570817;1479579837;mircea_popescu;weren't you just saying it's barely standing ? 1570818;1479579842;asciilifeform;the db! 1570819;1479579861;*;mircea_popescu engages in this exercise. 1570820;1479579863;asciilifeform;the box per se is ultra-responsive, even when 'werker' is firing (i leave a core open) 1570821;1479579868;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570801 << just to confirm that this was trinque saying he'd be up for doing it, and yeah sounds good :) 1570822;1479579868;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 17:30 mod6: <+Framedragger> trinque: fine with me << settled then? 1570823;1479579942;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: (syn flood suspicion because sockets don't respond with anything, even when possible to establish tcp connection. and yes ping does seem to work.) 1570824;1479580085;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570793 << current loggotron also runs on vps, and in itself it requires very few resources. no db use, even. at this point there's a bunch of stuff and other people's sites running on that vps, i don't feel comfortable adding additional load. 1570825;1479580085;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 17:18 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: i am also curious to know what kind of requirements you have for a vps that your current loggotron doesn't serve. 1570826;1479580141;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the wisdom of having the data in a cheap vps is becomingf ever more apparent. 1570827;1479580148;Framedragger;because 1) other sites' experience may be impacted, and 2) phuctor db would place some load on things. why = because i'd create a few indices, those would hog some memory, and assuming users want to do quite a bit of sorting etc, would take some cpu time as well. just sayin'. nothing scientific. 1570828;1479580204;Framedragger;(by other people's sites i mean sites that i'm responsible for.) 1570829;1479580217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cheap vps will fall down just as readily when flooded (as will the trb node, mine or anybody's) 1570830;1479580229;asciilifeform;i will point out that, unless the box has been stolen, it is still processing keys at same rate 1570831;1479580235;asciilifeform;(needs 0 net pipe for this) 1570832;1479580236;mircea_popescu;yes, but much easier to a) have a lot b) move around 1570833;1479580246;asciilifeform;this, yes. 1570834;1479580248;Framedragger;i concur ^ 1570835;1479580254;mircea_popescu;yes, but there are two concerns that are separable : a) flood stops processing and b) flood stops display. 1570836;1479580267;mircea_popescu;phuctor wasn't ever so snappy on display even when it was accessible. 1570837;1479580272;asciilifeform;i dun think anything short of unplugging the box will stop processing. 1570838;1479580274;Framedragger;to the point of having a ready-made system image (no, does not imply need to use docker), deployable at vps center in a matter of minutes. 1570839;1479580275;mircea_popescu;and the ONLY thing that interests the shitgnomes is display. 1570840;1479580288;mircea_popescu;they really couldn't, and didn't, give a shit about phuctor working throughout the years it worked. 1570841;1479580296;mircea_popescu;what hurts is you know, omfg, PEOPLE CAN READ!!1 1570842;1479580304;mircea_popescu;hillary clinton is not worried about raping brown babies. 1570843;1479580310;mircea_popescu;she just doesn't want anyone to see it is all. 1570844;1479580313;asciilifeform;but yes, mircea_popescu is quite right re 'ought to cut'em apart' 1570845;1479580342;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: display/processing separation is why i mentioned http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570743 1570846;1479580342;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:52 Framedragger: asciilifeform: at least with public-static and phuctor boxes being separate, you'd have access to the latter if it were private. (but i guess you could object with "private/undisclosed box on the internet, what is this oxymoron!") 1570847;1479580346;asciilifeform;the 1 minus is that the -- already quite costly apparatus -- would cost yet moar. 1570848;1479580352;mircea_popescu;in a sense it is "social responsibility", ie, "the data was provided, what did republic do with it". 1570849;1479580379;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i've not yet got through the log because parsing threw exception on that line i quoted :D 1570850;1479580394;Framedragger;fuck... 1570851;1479580406;mircea_popescu;nono i was being metaphorical. exception in my head. 1570852;1479580422;Framedragger;ah 1570853;1479580429;Framedragger;stack explosion, ya 1570854;1479580471;Framedragger;asciilifeform: wouldn't be sure re. costs. vps can be $5/$10 a month, and stuff i used for ssh key crawling (scaleway) can bill hourly 1570855;1479580474;Framedragger;, too. 1570856;1479580497;asciilifeform;Framedragger: db would have to exist locally on the vps, for the thing to work more or less reasonably in real time 1570857;1479580503;asciilifeform;that's a few dozen GB. 1570858;1479580503;Framedragger;i'm not saying that going for cheapest ad-hoc option is accetabru. just, a display box showing static content needs much less. 1570859;1479580510;asciilifeform;likewise bandwidth, considerably. 1570860;1479580512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he just wants the popped stuff. 1570861;1479580515;Framedragger;i don't know why you need true real time, tbh. 1570862;1479580531;mircea_popescu;which is k of records * 10kb or such, not the end of world. 1570863;1479580553;Framedragger;even if more than that - all of that shit can be cached, static html pages. maybe i'm oversimplifying. 1570864;1479580576;asciilifeform;'just popped' means that you can no longer use it, as previously suggested, in place of sks, for instance. 1570865;1479580584;asciilifeform;but yes, 'phuctored.html' is a few MB currently. 1570866;1479580604;mircea_popescu;aha. 1570867;1479580608;Framedragger;have a way (rss or better version of rss, or whatever) to sync it every $n hours. 1570868;1479580624;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570692 << lol if so, more work needed. 1570869;1479580624;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 15:52 asciilifeform: the folx whose chumpnet we blew open, with the debian boxes, i suspect -- trying to make their displeasure known. 1570870;1479580625;asciilifeform;though then you want to see the unpopped subkey siblings of the popped moduli, and start clicking, and you'll get zip. 1570871;1479580639;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, those link back to phuctor. 1570872;1479580644;mircea_popescu;it is html after all. 1570873;1479580651;asciilifeform;well yes, but each one is own page 1570874;1479580662;mircea_popescu;so ? 1570875;1479580675;asciilifeform;currently they are generated programmatically. will have to rebake whole thing such that they exist as static texts on disk. 1570876;1479580676;Framedragger;those sibling pages, why can't they hit once, and html be generated, too. 1570877;1479580687;mircea_popescu;any collection of data will have to consist of references to other sources at the edges 1570878;1479580693;Framedragger;or, caching server makes hits itself, and generates html. 1570879;1479580707;asciilifeform;i really ought to have made entire thing a c proggy that shits out static html once in a while. 1570880;1479580724;mircea_popescu;like hourly or such, could work yea. 1570881;1479580726;asciilifeform;probably how www will work, if it at all even works, in near future. 1570882;1479580732;Framedragger;and then imagine, deploying 'display' vps would become simpler still. 1570883;1479580807;Framedragger;with regards to vps i could help, if help/hands are needed. i know you have other priority stuff asciilifeform. also, don't know what the meta-priority level here is. (i.e., compared to other projects etc) 1570884;1479580815;Framedragger;like, scripting vps deployment etc 1570885;1479580824;Framedragger;a couple of vps providers i used have nice APIs 1570886;1479580829;Framedragger;for deploying and so on. 1570887;1479580843;asciilifeform;Framedragger: dunno if you read the broadcasts, but we have an actual product rolling off conveyor as we speak. 1570888;1479580858;asciilifeform;as in , physical device. 1570889;1479580863;Framedragger;i've read, i am doubly interested due to vagueness of said broadcasts :p 1570890;1479580874;Framedragger;very interesting indeed! 1570891;1479580918;mircea_popescu;in other wtf : all https://archive.is/http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored are from the same one day in may ; while all https://archive.is/http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/ are from the same one day i nseptember. 1570892;1479580921;asciilifeform;my hands presently are quite full with polishing off the prospectus for said item, and www page / invoicetron. 1570893;1479580921;mircea_popescu;this is pretty retarded. 1570894;1479580944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is an independent snapshot on my blog, also. but also a month old. 1570895;1479580950;Framedragger;no doubt that's priority asciilifeform, and will patiently wait 1570896;1479580965;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/snap/ph_snap.html 1570897;1479580971;asciilifeform;fri. sept. 23. 1570898;1479580994;mircea_popescu;heh 1570899;1479581020;mircea_popescu;and all-phyuctor snapshots are like this : 1 from nov 14. three from nov 3 . two from nov 1. 1570900;1479581036;mircea_popescu;fucking worthless, really, there's a total of SIX links to phuctor that went in chan this month ? 1570901;1479581038;mircea_popescu;i.... think not. 1570902;1479581045;asciilifeform;i dunno that anyone other than google and yandex ever made a ~full phuctor~ snapshot. 1570903;1479581052;asciilifeform;(pretty sure these 2 did. slowly, painfully.) 1570904;1479581062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we have a bot run by peterl which supposedly snapshots EVERY LINK IN CHAN 1570905;1479581062;Framedragger;asciilifeform: (instead of doing a more obscure "query-able phuctor-and-stuff db" thing i could help with some kind of phuctor-public-display-vps infrastructure setup. just sayin'. thing's not clear in my head.) 1570906;1479581082;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for quite some time, the rss thing did not display clickable links in chan for phuctor due to overflow 1570907;1479581092;asciilifeform;(and then , in debian run, the rss feeder itself overflowed ) 1570908;1479581094;mircea_popescu;a damn that's also there. 1570909;1479581098;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: just fyi archive.is fails and/or timeouts on some pages 1570910;1479581126;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the fundamental problem is that i will have to rewrite WHOLE THING for any of this to possibly happen. 1570911;1479581135;asciilifeform;and reprocess ENTIRE db. 1570912;1479581138;Framedragger;that's the question - will you have to actually do that. 1570913;1479581145;asciilifeform;the answer is 100% yes. 1570914;1479581146;mircea_popescu;trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568940 ? 1570915;1479581146;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 15:06 mircea_popescu: trinque can deedbot rss parsing be unprincipledly altered so that any succession of alphanum characters in excess of 16 spaces is replaced with first4[...]last4 ? 1570916;1479581157;Framedragger;that would indeed be nontrivial and would take quite a bit of your time 1570917;1479581173;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that would make problem even worse, could no longer search logs for a gpg fp 1570918;1479581186;mircea_popescu;yes you can, by that format. 1570919;1479581193;asciilifeform;but not raw. 1570920;1479581209;mircea_popescu;you can't search worth a shit right now because overflow. 1570921;1479581220;asciilifeform;true, as of this week. 1570922;1479581222;mircea_popescu;ie, you don't get to see ip or link. which /.... so search, what's it do. 1570923;1479581224;Framedragger;asciilifeform: why can't a separate box be set up to just crawl through all of phuctor pages, and then determine which of them are 'static' / won't ever change, for starters. and re-query the dynamic ones (at least the /phuctored) every $x amount of time 1570924;1479581234;asciilifeform;Framedragger: because at its current speed this will take you 50 years. 1570925;1479581250;Framedragger;for seriously you guys. 1570926;1479581252;mircea_popescu;no, not rss overflow. line overflow. 1570927;1479581264;mircea_popescu;if you have a fp or w.e and wanna see go to phuctor. 1570928;1479581288;mircea_popescu;Framedragger your scriba could crawl all links in chan and archive them. phf said a while back he almost has this but i've yet to see it 1570929;1479581293;Framedragger;asciilifeform: and the permalink pages identifiable via fingerprint, are they generated by the flask backend, too? 1570930;1479581293;asciilifeform;Framedragger: understand, EVERY page in phuctor is subject to change 1570931;1479581294;mircea_popescu;and if there's to there's no loss. 1570932;1479581301;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is called phuctoring 1570933;1479581304;mircea_popescu;we fucking need this archival of links in chan, like years ago. 1570934;1479581310;asciilifeform;^ 1570935;1479581340;Framedragger;(i thought someone was supposed to retroactively archive all links in all logs of all times?) 1570936;1479581367;mircea_popescu;that someone utterly failed at that task, as push coming to shove proves. 1570937;1479581385;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: right, will get it done. i had started on it, got sidetracked by the python encoding problem, and the got sidetracked by other stuff. need to re-trace, and will first do the archival bit. 1570938;1479581408;Framedragger;by 'it', i mean scriba submitting to archive.is 1570939;1479581412;Framedragger;all links it newly sees. 1570940;1479581416;mircea_popescu;or saving copies locally, or whatever. 1570941;1479581420;Framedragger;yeah. 1570942;1479581423;mircea_popescu;~what you were planning to do above. 1570943;1479581445;Framedragger;(again, many phuctor pages will simply timeout, iirc. but maybe can adjust; and still worth doing.) 1570944;1479581452;*;mircea_popescu is pretty fucking annoyed that the MOMENT the slightest disturbance in the force occurs, we suddenly discover there was really 0 defense in depth. 1570945;1479581458;mircea_popescu;"oh maybe i have a page from 2005 somewhere" 1570946;1479581461;mircea_popescu;yay for the home team! 1570947;1479581469;asciilifeform;this was my reaction also. 1570948;1479581508;mircea_popescu;"oh it's on phuctor and why do i need to do anything", which is how we got "those debian experts are flyeyeing the code so why should i have a clue". 1570949;1479581538;Framedragger;asciilifeform: have you profiled an http request to a permalinkable phuctor page? where's the bottleneck? curious if you could insert a thing into flask which crawls through everything and stores locally. 1570950;1479581538;asciilifeform;and, to continue to rain on the parade, if every www site has to be run like mpex, it will cost. and the range of things that can be provided 'for the public', 'for phreeee', will correspondingly shrink. 1570951;1479581565;asciilifeform;Framedragger: db being hammered 24/7 with 'do we have this hash' 'do we have this fp' 'add this and this' 1000/sec is the bottle. 1570952;1479581578;asciilifeform;and there is ~0 way around it , other than by doing the static thing. 1570953;1479581610;Framedragger;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570745 may be worth a try, actually. 1570954;1479581610;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:58 ben_vulpes: Framedragger: if you go down the 'phuctor visualizer/dash' route, you might consider leaning on pg streaming replication 1570955;1479581642;Framedragger;quite sure the diff'ing / updates were thought out thoroughly, i.e. time complexity is constant. 1570956;1479581677;Framedragger;there's a slave/clone db, it gets updates efficiently from master. 1570957;1479581698;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you do not seem to understand, so i will give illustration: http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Workshop/Lumber-Car-A.jpg 1570958;1479581701;asciilifeform;^ is the db 1570959;1479581713;Framedragger;:D 1570960;1479581736;asciilifeform;we are at the farthest possibly limit of what can be done on one box, at anything like reasonable budget (whether paying the cost of a small european flat for a server for public service is 'reasonable' is separate question) 1570961;1479581740;asciilifeform;*possible 1570962;1479581759;Framedragger;extracting rows identifiable by 'id > $num' also becomes super slow? 1570963;1479581773;asciilifeform;understand, if phuctor were an american 'corporate' production, it would make use of at least entire RACK of boxes 1570964;1479581782;asciilifeform;Framedragger: TOUCHING THE DB AT ALL IS SLOW 1570965;1479581785;asciilifeform;understand ? 1570966;1479581801;asciilifeform;if you want anything from the db, you wait. for , possibly, HALF A MINUTE 1570967;1479581842;asciilifeform;because, for instance, the key-eater is a separate process. and has nfi that someone else wants the db. 1570968;1479581863;Framedragger;i have no doubt that a sillicon valley version would be a datacentre of mongodb nodes which constantly fail and corrupt data, and cost millions. :) 1570969;1479581886;asciilifeform;try to apprehend the scale of the thing. 1570970;1479581901;asciilifeform;it is not a wordpress blog with ~static 5 mil words. 1570971;1479581923;asciilifeform;it is a db of ~5 mil KEYS, each of which is from 1 to 20kB, and links, etc. 1570972;1479581948;asciilifeform;and moduli, stored separately, linked bidirectionally to/from keys, ditto factors for same. 1570973;1479581991;Framedragger;i'm sorry but you didn't convince me in regards to the 'amount' of data. > 100mil row postgres with > 100 gb of data in a 8GB ram server ran fine. and while phuctor may be a more demanding beast, shouting '5 mil keys, MILLION!' doesn't convince 1570974;1479581996;asciilifeform;whenever ANYTHING is added , it first has to be searched for in each of these classes of item, in the case that it may already exist there. 1570975;1479582025;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is doubtless possible to optimize . 1570976;1479582029;Framedragger;yes, the latter is super demanding 1570977;1479582032;asciilifeform;but not effortlessly. 1570978;1479582035;asciilifeform;and not without rewriting entire thing. 1570979;1479582065;Framedragger;no argument in relation to effort needed! 1570980;1479582124;Framedragger;i'm thinking whether it'd be worth it to just have a static replica of db-as-it-currently-is, for now. as in for "i want to touch data, there's an outdated html file on loper-os i guess?" cases. 1570981;1479582133;Framedragger;stop web app and other stuff, copy /var/lib/pgsql/data, start web app again, use data to set up separate db. 1570982;1479582206;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you are welcome to a copy of db as soon as i get my hands on it again 1570983;1479582214;asciilifeform;but please do not expect anything like regular update 1570984;1479582253;Framedragger;asciilifeform: of course. and also don't treat this as high priority, i prolly wont look at it before wednesday anyway. but would be interesting to take a look - and i'd take a look 1570985;1479582273;asciilifeform;supposing i even see it again. 1570986;1479582277;Framedragger;:/ 1570987;1479582598;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "process fastwerker is killing the box, would you like reboot" 1570988;1479582634;asciilifeform;lying liars. 1570989;1479582661;mircea_popescu;and unless maz actuallty reads the logs instead of doing his work, I TOLD YOU SO 1570990;1479582680;mircea_popescu;get out of here. how do you propose came up with name ? 1570991;1479582744;asciilifeform;i have nfi. but process runs reniced. 1570992;1479582759;Framedragger;(how can they even see the name? kvm? i thought it was baremetal?) 1570993;1479582763;asciilifeform;i'd like to know! 1570994;1479582772;asciilifeform;and what else they've been lying about. 1570995;1479582815;mircea_popescu;Framedragger kvm. 1570996;1479582823;asciilifeform;( i certainly do not recall giving the monkey an account on the box ) 1570997;1479582860;mircea_popescu;dude... renice works half the time. 1570998;1479582879;mircea_popescu;it's not like it offers some sort of hard guarantees. 1570999;1479582889;asciilifeform;understand, thing has gone like clockwork for ~year now. 1571000;1479582893;mircea_popescu;so ? 1571001;1479582901;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking computer. 1571002;1479582955;mircea_popescu;anyway, make a call, do i have it rebooted or let it be for a while and see if it digs itself back out ? 1571003;1479582971;mircea_popescu;such pdp-10 problems we're having in 2016. 1571004;1479582990;asciilifeform;also i will add, 'werker' saturates 15/16 cores for 20 MINUTES of any given runtime. 1571005;1479582997;mircea_popescu;apparently - not. 1571006;1479583004;asciilifeform;so this story (and how the fuck does the monkey know process name ?) holds 0 water. 1571007;1479583011;mircea_popescu;also at issue is something called "fastwerker". that the same thing ? 1571008;1479583018;asciilifeform;yes, in fact it is. 1571009;1479583021;mircea_popescu;alright. 1571010;1479583026;Framedragger;cputime per process logging may help to settle this for future cases :p 1571011;1479583031;mircea_popescu;ip-kvm will show you a sort of top. 1571012;1479583036;asciilifeform;but i dunno that anyone other than mircea_popescu had any business knowing that the process were called. 1571013;1479583047;asciilifeform;ip-kvm will show only to folks who have login on the box. 1571014;1479583052;mircea_popescu;well, until you insisted i ask, nobody did. once i ask, they gotta do specific things. 1571015;1479583056;mircea_popescu;... 1571016;1479583090;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder how you think computers work. 1571017;1479583126;mircea_popescu;it's a fucking admin interface bridged into the fucking bus, what the everloving shit would it care about your derpy os's notions of "users". as if those fucking EVEN WORK irl. 1571018;1479583129;mircea_popescu;bejaysus. 1571019;1479583144;asciilifeform;how would mircea_popescu react if one of his gurlz misplaced her undies, and his landlord came and said where they were ? 1571020;1479583198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in point of fact i have asked the public force to locate car drunk ho abandoned "dunno where". they did. i didn't throw a shitfit about "o noes surveillance state". this because a) i asked them to do it and b) obviously they just put the number in the stolen cars interface and then a patrol saw it. 1571021;1479583212;mircea_popescu;now stop thrashing about, write better code in general and make the above call so this can go on. 1571022;1479583237;asciilifeform;the code has guaranteed run bounds. so i cannot make any comment re 'in general', there is nothing to fix. 1571023;1479583252;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as code with guaranteed jack shit on linux. next question. 1571024;1479583264;asciilifeform;let'em reboot. and i will start on the sawing-apart of the werker and wwwtron as soon as my hands are again free. 1571025;1479583278;mircea_popescu;least concern, for srsly. 1571026;1479583334;mircea_popescu;though i must confess syn flood had a better ring to it altogether. 1571027;1479583343;asciilifeform;i'm still convinced re syn flood. 1571028;1479583365;asciilifeform;and idiot monkey ~will~ see 'cpu utilization 95%' and think 'killing the box' 1571029;1479583369;asciilifeform;it is WHAT WE BOUGHT IT FOR 1571030;1479583371;asciilifeform;for fucks sake 1571031;1479583395;mircea_popescu;you probably ran into a disk or io locks issue. 1571032;1479583415;asciilifeform;newsflash: sshd doesn't care !! 1571033;1479583431;mircea_popescu;ie, ssh moduli breakage didn't sink phf's lisp-frail stack. but it did sink YOURS 1571034;1479583431;asciilifeform;a RUNNING SESSION no less 1571035;1479583434;mircea_popescu;mwahaha > 9k 1571036;1479583435;asciilifeform;it needs 0 disk access ! 1571037;1479583453;asciilifeform;i had a RUNNING SESSION 24/7 on own display, and it ground to a half 1571038;1479583454;asciilifeform;*halt 1571039;1479583464;mircea_popescu;aha. 1571040;1479583469;asciilifeform;0328 hours lithuania time. 1571041;1479583526;asciilifeform;the dc can't or won't supply packet chart ? 1571042;1479583561;mircea_popescu;i dunno that they actualy bother keeping it for client managed boxes. 1571043;1479583772;asciilifeform;fwiw box is back. 1571044;1479583785;asciilifeform;0 evidence of what killed it. 1571045;1479583824;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1571040 << uh it's 9:29 pm there right nao 1571046;1479583824;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 19:24 asciilifeform: 0328 hours lithuania time. 1571047;1479583841;asciilifeform;btw werker uses db for approx. 40 seconds of a run, to dump keys, which subsequently all load into memory. 1571048;1479583873;Framedragger;but yeah, i've noticed that sshd works just fine (incl accepting new connections) even if cpu at ~100% and/or no free disk space. there's that. 1571049;1479583915;Framedragger;wonder what was the memory status. maybe in syslog 1571050;1479583922;Framedragger;(re. failures to allocate) 1571051;1479583965;asciilifeform;0 clue in logs. 1571052;1479583971;asciilifeform;0 faulures-to-anything. 1571053;1479583974;asciilifeform;*failures 1571054;1479584282;Framedragger;(i remember having use from a super stupid `free > memory.log` cron job every minute or so) 1571055;1479584289;Framedragger;maybe for future 1571056;1479584292;asciilifeform;ever since the theft of the original phuctor machine, i keep scrolling logs on SEPARATE LCD in real time, 24/7/365 1571057;1479584308;asciilifeform;these showed 0 thing of interest. 1571058;1479584343;asciilifeform;(mega-unsurprise, incidentally.) 1571059;1479584423;Framedragger;by the way, i haven't ever used it, but from reading around it appears that streaming replication may indeed be quite efficient. every time row is inserted, row is sent off to remote replica. but this does not really require cpu. so maybe it wouldn't slow things down further / wouldn't be particularly slow even if db being clobbered 24/7 1571060;1479584426;Framedragger;i'm not sure of course. 1571061;1479584443;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570707 << well sure, and so will your eyes. 1571062;1479584443;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:07 pete_dushenski: of lines of code and that many chinese sensors ~will~ fail at some point. and it will be unexpectedly. and catastrophically. 1571063;1479584526;asciilifeform;incidentally i have machines right here in my house subjected to far harsher loads , 24/7/365, and somehow -- mysteriously -- they never ONCE suffer 'martian' failures. 1571064;1479584531;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570724 << well http://qntra.net/2016/11/phuctor-reveals-1-in-2700-ssh-capable-machines-on-the-internet-still-debianized/ was yesterday. this is the internet, gotta move with the minute. 1571065;1479584531;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:16 asciilifeform: i wrote, in the qntra piece, 'examine debianized boxes for nsaware'. now 'owner' will have a chance to clean up before any mass 'examination' takes place. 1571066;1479584612;asciilifeform;a 'welded shut box' + dc supplies GB pipe + mains current dc would be mega-product. 1571067;1479584629;asciilifeform;i had nfi that we were even buying a 'fritz chipped' box. 1571068;1479584664;mircea_popescu;of course you did ? iirc we discussed processor make etc way back when selecting ? 1571069;1479584678;asciilifeform;i dun recall specifying 'remote admin card' 1571070;1479584687;asciilifeform;processor - yes. ram - yes. disk - yes. 1571071;1479584689;asciilifeform;fritz ? nope. 1571072;1479584700;mircea_popescu;uh. i still wonder how you think computers work. 1571073;1479584707;asciilifeform;i only know how mine work. 1571074;1479584731;mircea_popescu;apparently the divergence is winder than previously realised. anyway - ipkvm capable chipsets come with ipkvm. 1571075;1479584766;Framedragger;(server in DC you don't own, what illusions of hardware-safety...) 1571076;1479584769;mircea_popescu;what exactly did you think you were asking when you asked for the dc to kvm in your box and fix it for you ? 1571077;1479584790;asciilifeform;well the one i subscribed to in the past, had a physical cart, with wheels 1571078;1479584796;asciilifeform;that plugged into vga jack and kbd. 1571079;1479584804;asciilifeform;ethernet snake on other end. 1571080;1479584816;mircea_popescu;this costs ~200 an hour you realise. 1571081;1479584821;asciilifeform;by itself it did 0, customer had to log in with own pw. 1571082;1479584831;asciilifeform;it cost 0. (but there was a queue, sometimes a whole hour long!) 1571083;1479584839;asciilifeform;this was a fiddybuck/mo dc. 1571084;1479584842;mircea_popescu;sounds very much like 1998. 1571085;1479584872;mircea_popescu;anyway. in the intervening years there's this new approach that dcs favour because cheaper. 1571086;1479584913;asciilifeform;such cheap. logs in as root, deletes logs on the box (yes) 1571087;1479584925;asciilifeform;leaves 0 trace. 1571088;1479584937;mircea_popescu;it doesn't log in ; nor does it interact with your os. 1571089;1479584945;asciilifeform;(this is not hard, but gotta wonder , what , this is sop in commercial kvm chip nao ?) 1571090;1479584954;asciilifeform;built-in ram forensictron ? 1571091;1479584999;mircea_popescu;afaik it can't actually dump ram or do useful debugging. but it can reboot the system, which is you know, a crossed wire. 1571092;1479585006;asciilifeform;i had occasion to install such a machine a few yrs ago, somewhere, it came with 'kvm chipset', but this feature was not advertised. the advertised feature is just that, kvm, where you get a tty prompt.) 1571093;1479585024;mircea_popescu;sort-of. by now they have derpy guis for it. 1571094;1479585037;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/slock-prepares-charity-dao-for-your-loss/ << Qntra - Slock Prepares "Charity DAO" For Your Loss 1571095;1479585039;asciilifeform;physically it ~can~ dump ram, research proj i led at the time investigated how to coax it to do this, among other things 1571096;1479585065;mircea_popescu;not saying it's not possible, but in practice above pay grade of most dc techs. 1571097;1479585086;BingoBoingo;shinohai: fxd 1571098;1479585089;Framedragger;(this is a case where i am more cynical than asciilifeform: a DC you don't know, what illusions does one have; okay, one could install a sensor which signals if box was 'tampered with'; they could still take box offline, clone memory, set up a replica. etc etc etc.) 1571099;1479585100;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570729 << logically public projects can stay ownerless, but private ones should have assignable owner. 1571100;1479585100;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:36 mod6: Anyway, now that it seems that private a more rich ticketing system is wanted, these things can be considered for sure. Salud! 1571101;1479585105;Framedragger;s/know/own 1571102;1479585119;asciilifeform;Framedragger: which is why 'comes offline' is enough misbehaviour from my pov. 1571103;1479585141;asciilifeform;once it stops responding to shell, it may as well have been stolen. 1571104;1479585166;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you gotta learn to judiciously allocate your time ; Framedragger the problem isn't so much locking up the box - it's that the box will fuck up, this being "foss" bullshit, and then the owner will be like "i dun wanna pay for a box i can't use, notwithstanding this is what i claimed i want". 1571105;1479585169;Framedragger;asciilifeform: then, i think, box needs to physically reside with someone in your WoT. i'm just saying. maybe cheap slippery slope sophism. 1571106;1479585173;asciilifeform;and i will add that , aside from the login keyz, there are 0 secrets on the box. 1571107;1479585212;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i would keep it personally if i had where. (see old thread.) 1571108;1479585227;Framedragger;right, fair enough i guess. 1571109;1479585236;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu has point. i'ma back to wurk, bbl. 1571110;1479585238;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sure, there's that... 1571111;1479585268;mircea_popescu;point in case here. it is beyond even the shadow of the most absurd doubt that alf's code locked the box. but he's willing to spend time fighting the obvious, rather than anything else, because hey, this is a bitter pill to swallow. 1571112;1479585284;mircea_popescu;i'm not for a second saying HE could have done much better / differently. 1571113;1479585294;mircea_popescu;but the point remains, mtbf in linux world is NOT years. 1571114;1479585329;mircea_popescu;and yes, we're woprking on fixing this. the work is wide, and we can't get over, some handsome rovers from town to town etc. 1571115;1479585339;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mtbf of the linux boxes at my ~house~ is measured in years... why do you suppose is this. 1571116;1479585360;asciilifeform;(and now i must surely bbl, this thread could go on and on.) 1571117;1479585450;mircea_popescu;laters. 1571118;1479586166;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570742 << that's pretty much exactly the idea. 1571119;1479586166;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:45 Framedragger: i suppose the idea could be to re-implement that, but using deedbot's view of WoT, and add additional things as desired. 1571120;1479586283;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570744 << works on my system. pretty. can certainly be an alt-view or such, killed nobody. 1571121;1479586283;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 16:57 Framedragger: re. visualization, i like stuff like this (mouse over on labels around the circle), but it's a hella lot of JS, and i share the hate towards the latter: http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/7607999 - what's nice about btcalpha visualization is that it uses by-now standard html5 canvas directives () with no need for JS. 1571122;1479586323;mircea_popescu;might discover it fails via resource exhaustion in the very large dataset that is tmsr wot, but who knows. worth a shot. 1571123;1479586631;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570755 << yes, but you're doing the payments lol. stale data is no good, but wait-forever project even worse. the trade-offs of resource investment! 1571124;1479586631;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 17:03 trinque: anyone else is going to have stale data 1571125;1479586789;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570756 << js-based thing can not be the thing. it can be an optional expansion on the thing. 1571126;1479586789;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 17:03 Framedragger: regarding visualization, a more condensed question: if a javascript-using thing were delivered, would this be hated upon (and berated by asciilifeform) and accepted if otherwise good and properly maintained, or hated upon and dismissed (and berated by asciilifeform)? :) 1571127;1479586897;Framedragger;re. JS, yeah makes sense. and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570796 << thanks for the feedback! (and i agree regarding comments, preferences make sense) 1571128;1479586897;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 17:24 mod6: Framedragger: so with regard of the wotperson to wotperson (http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mod6&to=mircea_popescu) and all ratings to wotperson (http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mod6/); I think we liked those very much as they were. Of course any sort of improvements could be added if they make sense, etc. 1571129;1479586968;mircea_popescu;tbh i think javascript is not ever hated in the context of its original domain, "make drawn man move his arms" ; it's whenever it tries to be other things that it draws ire. 1571130;1479587044;Framedragger;sure. "javascript in the backend", etc etc etc.; i mean, it's still a horrible language. but yeah. 1571131;1479587193;mod6;agree 1571132;1479587197;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570790 << amusingly enough, this is actually true. "i would like to lecture these monkeys in modern psychology" "ok ?" "can you design a shitproof semipermeable membrane that still allows my precious words to reach them ?" "uh. not really. whatever the fuck it is, sooner or later the shit will clog it" 1571133;1479587197;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 17:17 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: heathen-facing publicationtron is inherently contradictory thing . 1571134;1479587269;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: Wot browser must also maintain existing url structure to retrieve a nick's profile 1571135;1479587281;BingoBoingo;Or there will be pain 1571136;1479587468;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: k; but direct this at trinque, unless he gets convinced that he wants to do things sequentially and in payment-system-first order :p 1571137;1479587501;Framedragger;or one could even dare to develop something collaboratively, but the republic would surely segfault then. 1571138;1479587513;BingoBoingo;WoT browser is like log viewer, who the fuck cares how many there are so long as there is a non-zero number! 1571139;1479587545;Framedragger;yah but there's also enough of stuff to be done :) if trinque does WoT browser i won't do in parallel just so that there are two 1571140;1479587591;mircea_popescu;Framedragger technically yes you can - make a V root for it, like properly sane people, then he'll just import that / patch it himself when he's ready. 1571141;1479587609;mircea_popescu;we have V specifically so it saves us from this box-owner / code-writer confusion. 1571142;1479587615;Framedragger;i do need to try to V... 1571143;1479587646;mircea_popescu;not that there's anything wrong with running your own service on your own box. but the pill for collaboration exists and is used. 1571144;1479587656;BingoBoingo;There will always be enough stuff to be done in the future. This is not a reason to not make things and move into the done category. 1571145;1479587697;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: no disagreement. 1571146;1479587731;mircea_popescu;learning to write code so that other people ~actually find it better than writing themselves~ is squarely in that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568870 bracket. 1571147;1479587731;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 14:43 Framedragger: (and on a side note, "hang out on #trilema after splitting with gf" has been one of the more constructive choices i've made in my life) 1571148;1479587947;mircea_popescu;and from my pov, V is truly great in the sense that it allows a very simple test for when april next rolls around. phf's viewer trivially allows to see what signatures are actually active in the deployed branches of republican code. join that set with the set of box owners and you have a very good first approximation of the l1. 1571149;1479588615;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570931 << and if there's two* i meant lol. 1571150;1479588615;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 18:48 mircea_popescu: and if there's to there's no loss. 1571151;1479589135;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570951 << for the record, separate dbs for selects and inserts is the way to go. from experience it can rescue a large project / save 9x% off the hardware costs.the way you do it is that you have a master db copy which is the only one that takes the inserts, and slave dbs which are the only ones that take the selects. replication can be at dedicated sql cluster level or above, slave dbs can 1571152;1479589135;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 18:52 asciilifeform: Framedragger: db being hammered 24/7 with 'do we have this hash' 'do we have this fp' 'add this and this' 1000/sec is the bottle. 1571153;1479589136;mircea_popescu;be marked as dirty after each insert if need be etc. possibly phuctor has grown industrial enough this is actulaly needed. 1571154;1479589609;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570960 << for the record, phuctor costs more than what renting house costs in romania. flat - maybe in frankfurt or something. 1571155;1479589609;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 18:55 asciilifeform: we are at the farthest possibly limit of what can be done on one box, at anything like reasonable budget (whether paying the cost of a small european flat for a server for public service is 'reasonable' is separate question) 1571156;1479589770;Framedragger;(master + 1 single slave sounds reasonable to me fwiw) 1571157;1479589782;Framedragger;that line can be quoted so out of context 1571158;1479589845;mircea_popescu;lol. yeah, might work here, it's not clear. the problem, you have to understand, is how integrated the data is. sure a db with however many lines did fine in whatever box. the problem is that everything phuctor has, phuctor uses, and so it's very close to the unmitigated nightmare which is "random access"t 1571159;1479589901;mircea_popescu;in general db optimization / low consumption success stories rest on a very opposite situation - the lines are only ever interesting in one perspective and light only lights one facet at a time sorta things. 1571160;1479589958;mircea_popescu;a similar situation to how compression works great on literature and poorly on (proper) random strings. 1571161;1479589979;Framedragger;this reminds me. you know, sometimes postgres prefers to do sequential read instead of using a reasonable index, because, as it estimates, using index would involve too much seeking etc. *but* with SSD, random access is much much faster. (and btw postgres does not automatically know about seek times in SSDs..) 1571162;1479589984;Framedragger;so needs to be informed 1571163;1479590034;mircea_popescu;i dunno that alf is a db engineer by trade, so it's entirely possible specific measures could help, especially if they're of the magic number ilk of "set X to Y in config file, we didn't docum,ent this anywhere but its tru!" 1571164;1479590140;Framedragger;anyway, i imagine a bunch of d(a)emons fighting for i/o... and yeah no one is saying that there's a straightforward solution... 1571165;1479590216;mircea_popescu;the entire stack is built pretty much to create this - first, we have a phuctor, and 2mn keys looks like the whole world, and any finds look improbable as shit. then some finds are found, and more keys are fed, so now 50mn looks like the whole world and a few finds a day are expected. BUT THEN a way is found to crack thousands of keys in a week, and well, the echafaudage which held up the original is struggling. 1571166;1479590230;mircea_popescu;whoopdedoo, you push it until it dies by design then you wonder it dies now and again. 1571167;1479590468;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/19/why-you-cant-afford-globalisation-anymore/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Why you can’t afford globalisation anymore. 1571168;1479590826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1571048 << it's not a matter of "cpu at 100%" nor is it a matter of free disk space. if on that os ssh hangs off eg dbus, and if dbus gets locked out by kernel because "dirty page" or "waiting on journal update" or whatever similar idiocy, your process is stalled. and these are just random examples, so much can go wrong in a modern box it's not even worth my time drawing the broad strokes. 1571169;1479590826;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 19:31 Framedragger: but yeah, i've noticed that sshd works just fine (incl accepting new connections) even if cpu at ~100% and/or no free disk space. there's that. 1571170;1479591828;mircea_popescu;and in other red cups, http://68.media.tumblr.com/f08279648ba09a168f9102da18af85d8/tumblr_mslu6c6xEq1ro2gueo1_1280.jpg 1571171;1479592307;mod6;ive been enjoying this red cups series 1571172;1479592575;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1571173;1479592748;Framedragger;OH FOR FUCKS SAKE 1571174;1479592758;mircea_popescu;!? 1571175;1479592760;Framedragger;i think archive.is archivers used to work 1571176;1479592780;Framedragger;you know what archive.is tells me nao if i urlopen it from python? 1571177;1479592782;Framedragger;"Access denied | archive.is used CloudFlare to restrict access" 1571178;1479592787;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha 1571179;1479592793;Framedragger;motherfucking cloudflare 1571180;1479592805;mircea_popescu;clearly that archive.is thing needs replacement. 1571181;1479592818;Framedragger;and so it goes. 1571182;1479592847;Framedragger;(this explains why PeterL's or whoever's thing used to work, but stopped. i think this is recent.) 1571183;1479592880;Framedragger;owait, curl still works. apparently "

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The owner of this website (archive.is) has banned your access based on your browser\'s signature" 1571184;1479592891;Framedragger;so i'll pretend to be someone else, but clearly this is not tenable long-term. 1571185;1479592893;mircea_popescu;anyway, having scriba simply curl http://qntra.net/2016/11/st-louis-homeless-overdose-on-fake-weed-as-the-great-again-looms/ > 20161119.18 in response to http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161119/#18 is both useful and roughly sufficient. 1571186;1479592894;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-19: [00:14:14] Who makes counterfeit marijuana as mentioned http://qntra.net/2016/11/st-louis-homeless-overdose-on-fake-weed-as-the-great-again-looms/ 1571187;1479592922;mircea_popescu;then it could bundle all of these together in a base64'd blob each week and deedbot them. 1571188;1479592935;Framedragger;i suppose so. do note that archive.is attempts to retrieve additional resources, including js needed for rendering some sites, etc etc. 1571189;1479592955;Framedragger;(not that you'll call the latter "sites", i'm sure:) 1571190;1479592986;mircea_popescu;this isn't a replacement for archive.is, but more of a defense-in-depth measure. 1571191;1479592993;Framedragger;right. 1571192;1479593006;mircea_popescu;i'm still giving phf his space to figure out his feelings re lisp archive.is 1571193;1479593017;Framedragger;okay. i'll first do archive.is as i think i just need to change user-agent, and then some time next week can set up curl + bundling thing. 1571194;1479593024;mircea_popescu;it's metrosexprual. 1571195;1479593177;mircea_popescu;and yes, putting an -A "TMSR agent ; contact X for discussion" on all curls can't hurt anything. 1571196;1479593193;mircea_popescu;as it's exactly the sort of you know, "advertising enigmae" you were talking about yest. 1571197;1479593258;Framedragger;heh. sure! 1571198;1479593365;mircea_popescu;in other horror stories, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jt7n2/?raw=true 1571199;1479593947;shinohai;Dear Sreekumar, try LSD. Sincerely, shinohai 1571200;1479593968;mircea_popescu;"will this fix my problem ?" "no, but it will give it color." 1571201;1479594042;shinohai;Why having a boring, colorless psychosis 1571202;1479594462;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, /me walking noticed an interesting flower, long, trumpet like. plucked it, smelled it, very nice smell. checked it out on the internets - it's datura. grows wild here. 1571203;1479594466;*;mircea_popescu went and washed hands. 1571204;1479594568;shinohai;Ah Devil's trumpet 1571205;1479594582;mircea_popescu;yeah. "mataperros" here. 1571206;1479594639;shinohai;iirc wasn't that abused in Roanoke ? 1571207;1479594686;mircea_popescu;what roanoke ? 1571208;1479594726;shinohai;Virginia, I think I remember the colonists got all high on it. 1571209;1479594736;mircea_popescu;really ? i didn't think it grew where it frosts. 1571210;1479594773;mircea_popescu;also i dunno anyone'd wanna try get high on this, iirc mostly scopolamine. 1571211;1479594820;shinohai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datura_stramonium <<< this? 1571212;1479594836;mircea_popescu;nah 1571213;1479594881;mircea_popescu;d. inoxia i think it was. 1571214;1479594909;mircea_popescu;in any case white flower, plain leaf. 1571215;1479594949;Framedragger;i think some folks in .lt used to (attempt to) get high on it, to obtain some or other state of delirium 1571216;1479594975;mircea_popescu;tropane alkaloids aren't usually abused recreationally, because well... not what people usually think is fun. 1571217;1479594983;Framedragger;huh apparently may still be used in some neopagan 'rituals'. citation needed tho 1571218;1479595027;Framedragger;but then, people take that salvia thing, whatever it's called, and apparently better part of all experiences end up with dissociative-of-not-the-nice-sorts delirium state.. 1571219;1479595089;shinohai;Used to could buy salvia in pouches at local gas station. 1571220;1479595115;mircea_popescu;i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. 1571221;1479595876;scriba;Restarting for archive.is 1571222;1479595915;mircea_popescu;it doesn't log in correctly you know. 1571223;1479595924;Framedragger;i know, i know. 1571224;1479595924;Framedragger;!$ archivestats 1571225;1479595925;scriba;Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 1; number of URLs newly archived: 1. 1571226;1479595929;mircea_popescu;o nice. 1571227;1479595950;Framedragger;aaa https://asdfasfd-asdfafd80232sdf.blasdf-asdfas22df.blasadf-asdf/asdfsdf/sdf-asdf209sdf/sth.asdf?asfd=asdfw2&psdfo2=oij2oijoij aaa 1571228;1479595955;Framedragger;(this should be invalid) 1571229;1479595958;Framedragger;!$ archivestats 1571230;1479595958;scriba;Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 2; number of URLs newly archived: 1. 1571231;1479595969;Framedragger;aaa http://fd.mkj.lt/ aaa 1571232;1479595971;Framedragger;!$ archivestats 1571233;1479595971;scriba;Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 3; number of URLs newly archived: 2. 1571234;1479595976;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski : update for http://bots.contravex.com in order :) 1571235;1479595980;mircea_popescu;!$ archivestats 1571236;1479595981;scriba;Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 4; number of URLs newly archived: 3. 1571237;1479595987;mircea_popescu;seems to be fine. 1571238;1479596041;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: um. while it will not increase "number of URLs newly archived" if URL is actually not valid as reported by archive.is, but it *will* get increased for the same URL, even if archive.is had already archived it. 1571239;1479596054;Framedragger;this will get fixed soon. 1571240;1479596057;*;Framedragger sleeps 1571241;1479596094;Framedragger;s/but it/it/ 1571242;1479596113;Framedragger;(should be possible to find the signal from html returned.) 1571243;1479596129;mircea_popescu;i dun see the problem either way. 1571244;1479596146;Framedragger;true. just wanted to have it be real "proper" 1571245;1479596158;Framedragger;!$ hello 1571246;1479596158;scriba;Hello, world! My uptime is 0:04:32. 1571247;1479596160;Framedragger;k. bbl! 1571248;1479596323;Framedragger;http://fd.mkj.lt/actuallynewurl-check.txt 1571249;1479596342;mircea_popescu;lol ? 1571250;1479596355;mircea_popescu;ehehe 1571251;1479596385;Framedragger;wanted to check by going to actual archive.is and seeing if the new url got archived, and when. (all good). 1571252;1479596510;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/user/HarrisHarrington << this just takes the cake of poptardation. so here's a guy too young to have an undergraduate degree doing self-help posturing over youtube. 1571253;1479596529;mircea_popescu;who the everloving fuck can live in this world where the yearlings think themselves experts in things jesus f christ! 1571254;1479596562;mircea_popescu;that they give each other advice on "how to talk to girls" on the basis of you know, one of them actually once did it / someone once overheard someone doing it is one thing. 1571255;1479596586;mircea_popescu;but really, psychic surgery over the tubes ? 1571256;1479597737;asciilifeform;speaking of american teenagers, vintage lel : https://archive.is/ICxt 1571257;1479599215;mircea_popescu;ahahaha super bowl nuclear bomb 1571258;1479599222;mircea_popescu;this is pretty good ftl. 1571259;1479600138;shinohai;When your shitcoin needs a hardfork to fix a hardfork: https://github.com/ethereum/go-ethereum/releases/tag/v1.5.2 1571260;1479600797;scriba;Restarting for daddy (update help to list owner and to include new command) 1571261;1479603223;shinohai;mircea_popescu lulz; https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dth6w/who_is_mircea/da7k3ea/?context=3 1571262;1479606387;mircea_popescu;i suppose these will pop up periodically until the end of time. 1571263;1479606537;shinohai;Full of luke-jr butthurt 1571264;1479606633;mircea_popescu;and in other "the summer is here" news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6cc71fb0286ffd76f249db75faed296c/tumblr_mslu4iBVoh1ro2gueo1_1280.jpg 1571265;1479606735;mircea_popescu;!$ archivestats 1571266;1479606735;scriba;Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 3; number of URLs newly archived: 3. 1571267;1479606757;mircea_popescu;i only count 2. 1571268;1479606830;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-17#1568940 << next one that pops should obey that rule. 1571269;1479606830;a111;Logged on 2016-11-17 15:06 mircea_popescu: trinque can deedbot rss parsing be unprincipledly altered so that any succession of alphanum characters in excess of 16 spaces is replaced with first4[...]last4 ? 1571270;1479606909;mircea_popescu;win. 1571271;1479606957;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1571137 << not allergic to collab at all; in a couple of days, a V genesis shall be forthcoming on a tidy wad of html generating lisp for the WoT pages. 1571272;1479606957;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 20:31 Framedragger: or one could even dare to develop something collaboratively, but the republic would surely segfault then. 1571273;1479606965;mircea_popescu;o wait, and it needed no restart ? pretty cool. 1571274;1479606986;trinque;yep, feeds is a separate service that adds entries to a queue 1571275;1479607000;mircea_popescu;smart. 1571276;1479607024;trinque;ty 1571277;1479607128;mircea_popescu;what were you running your lisp on, was it clim ? 1571278;1479607193;trinque;I tend to use sbcl as compiler, then clim is the UI doodad when one's needed 1571279;1479607301;mircea_popescu;so normally you just compile into bytecode via sblc on your box and send the binary to prod box ? 1571280;1479607306;asciilifeform;... which one of you nuts wanted a copy of phuctor db ?? 1571281;1479607325;mircea_popescu;i'll take one anyway. 1571282;1479607327;asciilifeform;bring a 12GB-sized bucket 1571283;1479607469;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, that's rather nice. save-lisp-and-die saves the memory state of your environment, then runs a specified function when it's awoken. 1571284;1479607480;asciilifeform;anyone else who wants, please pm asciilifeform 1571285;1479607509;trinque;so you make one of those, it tacks the lisp executable to the front of the thing, huck the whole wad at server and restart service 1571286;1479607560;trinque;if it's a development instance of something, I send along "swank" which lets me summon a repl out of the thing and fiddle internals. 1571287;1479608237;mircea_popescu;and the cycle penalty is not significant huh. 1571288;1479608268;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform done ty. 100 10.5G 100 10.5G 0 0 97.3M 0 0:01:51 0:01:51 --:--:-- 101M << gotta love real tubes. 1571289;1479608318;asciilifeform;neato 1571290;1479608362;asciilifeform;it helps that we're 'neighbours'. 1571291;1479608386;mircea_popescu;kinda the point. 1571292;1479608460;*;trinque bash scripts everything significant he does, runs that thing next time. 1571293;1479608472;trinque;whole folder full of deploy-* 1571294;1479608520;mircea_popescu;trinque ever benchmarked something for resource consumption ? like i dunno, lisp-sha in your implementation vs stock sha in c as provided ? 1571295;1479608664;trinque;I will say that I am not fully sold on automatic memory management yet. 1571296;1479608666;*;trinque ducks 1571297;1479608710;trinque;I'm sold on the structure of the language, but I have had times where I wonder why the fuck the gc hasn't kicked on yet, find folks saying "oh you tricked the gc" researching the problem 1571298;1479608740;trinque;simplest example I can come up with is that I was consing thing to the front of a list, nil-ing things off the back 1571299;1479608770;trinque;and at great volume; this caused sbcl to not want to gc the shit falling off the tail 1571300;1479608794;asciilifeform;trinque: yer doing destructive ops and then wondering where gc was?! 1571301;1479608828;trinque;please explain to me how a list operation as simple as that in "list processing" language is not right in the middle of the groove of the language 1571302;1479608837;asciilifeform;because it isn't magic 1571303;1479608840;trinque;so sure, I called gc myself sometimes, worked 1571304;1479608849;asciilifeform;has heuristics for when to fire. if you don't like'em, gotta (gc) 1571305;1479608854;asciilifeform;or pollute less. 1571306;1479608903;asciilifeform;and it's for 'list processing' in same way as fortran-90 is for 'formulae translation'... 1571307;1479609052;mircea_popescu;yes well not everything can be an immutable structure. 1571308;1479609111;trinque;my list contained identifiers for things coming at me from a queue, where the queue may shit itself and send dupes, but with a maximum possible age of message that is duped 1571309;1479609145;trinque;and dupes are most likely to come from recent messages (say a queue server died before noting that the message was sent) 1571310;1479609155;trinque;seems like a reasonable data structure for it 1571311;1479609286;trinque;it makes me less anti-lisp and more in favor of using some kind of namespaced wad of memory which I can trash all together explicitly. 1571312;1479609328;asciilifeform;trinque: peruse the docs for your particular lisp, most of'em provide knobs for 'dangerous' manual manipulation of the 'auto gearbox', if you will 1571313;1479609369;trinque;most of the time gc works fine; I am certainly still a student of the language. 1571314;1479609369;asciilifeform;trinque: also this'll be good practice for writing 'cons-free' manually-driven lisp, for when we do os bootloader, kernel, similar. 1571315;1479609385;trinque;neat 1571316;1479609524;trinque;asciilifeform: any reading material on the "cons-free" subj? 1571317;1479609542;asciilifeform;trinque: afaik only the leaked smbx lm sources. 1571318;1479609595;asciilifeform;one of the difficulties of the student is that most 'adult' lisp work took place in the era before 'must publish everything', 'open sores', etc. 1571319;1479609711;asciilifeform;there are books even on flying mig. but there are afaik none on flying mig under a non-liftable sea bridge (there is photo of this!). 'cons-free lisp' resembles the latter more than 'sop' operation. 1571320;1479609822;BingoBoingo; i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers. 1571321;1479609925;trinque;I might be a sick person, but I thought that stuff was great fun. 1571322;1479609935;trinque;completely disorienting 1571323;1479609984;asciilifeform;iirc -- pharmacologically unique 1571324;1479609988;asciilifeform;(in family by itself) 1571325;1479610079;asciilifeform;fwiw i once ate some of its liquid extract (it was at one point freely available in usa, was literally the only type of dope i could physically get !) and it did... zero. 1571326;1479610122;asciilifeform;( did have strange dream that night, but i often do anyway ) 1571327;1479610154;asciilifeform;iirc later it was banned, so it must work on ~somebody~ 1571328;1479610166;trinque;gotta torch at high temperature. 1571329;1479610179;shinohai;I had the trinque experience of being completely out-of-head for like 10 minutes 1571330;1479610209;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 1st pass metabolism is a bitch. Lungs ftw 1571331;1479611581;BingoBoingo; ... and it did... zero. << Or you were wired for addiction to that weirdo substance before trying? Lacked the apperception to realize was tripping balls. 1571332;1479611657;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: done :) 1571333;1479611751;pete_dushenski;!~calc 29^14 1571334;1479611753;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: 29^14 = 2.9755823267579947E20 1571335;1479611811;pete_dushenski;didn't realise that jhvh1 also adopted the calculator until saw it in-chan yesterday. that sneaky shinohai ! bots directory updated accordingly. 1571336;1479611931;*;trinque gets space-saving rss code in just as phuctor shuts up 1571337;1479611933;trinque;lol 1571338;1479611945;trinque;not for long, I'm sure. 1571339;1479612593;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv. 1571340;1479614706;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: watched any of clarkson's new show? 1571341;1479615030;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Not really. Most muricans suck at driving. 1571342;1479615099;BingoBoingo;Not to mention most muricans are broken in their temperment, unsuitable for service work where they interact with customer or customer/employer and require herding employer. 1571343;1479615105;BingoBoingo;if employable at all. 1571344;1479615265;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: 'the groand tour' isn't available outside us, uk, and i think oz for another month so... nope. looking forward to it though. you ? 1571345;1479615270;pete_dushenski;grand* 1571346;1479615475;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: 'most' isn't really an argument now is it. nor was it my point. talking solely about folks buying $100k cars, they're better off sifting through resumes to find a non-retarded driver than shipping their cash to musk et al., what with the rapidly sinking obamanchor tied around their weedy necks. 1571347;1479615573;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: I don't think you understand the proportion represented by "most" in that usuage. We are talking about a mass economically crippled by their various "employable if X" bullshits. 1571348;1479615925;pete_dushenski;tis possible. tis also possible that the world won't be worse off if they car-crash themselves off the face of it, be it by their own hand or that of their robot overlords. 1571349;1479615987;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/SG5uV << in other overlords, bannon compares himself to cromwell. 1571350;1479615988;scriba;Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True 1571351;1479616100;pete_dushenski;thomas, not oliver. 1571352;1479616107;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1571353;1479616109;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 439753 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 1750 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 39 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1571354;1479616152;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/11/sec-chair-mary-jo-white-leads-exodus-of-unexpired-appointees-ahead-of-trumpreich/#comment-78877 << win 1571355;1479616152;scriba;Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True 1571356;1479616337;*;pete_dushenski wonders if anyone else sees potential to be annoyed by scriba's constant interjections vis-a-vis link archival. 1571357;1479616725;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/bitcoin-network-jumps-10-675-in-latest-adjustment-largest-jump-since-second-halving-so-far/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Jumps ~10.675% In Latest Adjustment – Largest Jump Since Second Halving So Far 1571358;1479616725;scriba;Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True 1571359;1479617284;trinque;Framedragger: ^ yo dawg, log somewhere you can read it; the information here is entirely useless to me 1571360;1479618619;pete_dushenski;re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know. 1571361;1479618619;scriba;Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True 1571362;1479618758;*;pete_dushenski brushes off alfotron on shoulder muttering something barely audibly about 'hash laundry' 1571363;1479618776;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: ViaBTC and antpool are a case of twincest 1571364;1479618829;ben_vulpes;is there any good reason to trust that chart? 1571365;1479619003;BingoBoingo;no 1571366;1479619795;pete_dushenski;my only defense of that likely fraudulent chart is just that a warped measuring stick is at least wrong in a consistent and predictable way. this assumes all sorts of beneficence on the part of bc.i, however. 1571367;1479620086;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-15-tmr-pence-in-our-time/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 15 (TM)(R) – Pence In Our Time 1571368;1479620086;scriba;Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True 1571369;1479620788;pete_dushenski;"it would still be unsurprising if they gave up on their fiction1 and began reporting magenta, dove gray, or old hot dog as their exchange rate" << lol. 1571370;1479620819;*;pete_dushenski tips cap to bb for xtend mention of silly bet. 1571371;1479621854;BingoBoingo;yw, not really news, but involves crypto certifiable persons 1571372;1479628990;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571320 << tru. 1571373;1479628990;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 02:43 BingoBoingo: i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers. 1571374;1479629202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571339 << all drunk crashes in history beg to differ. 1571375;1479629202;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 03:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv. 1571376;1479629329;mircea_popescu;steve bannon planning "entirely new political movement" ? OH WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED! 1571377;1479629333;mircea_popescu;other than they who did. 1571378;1479629491;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571360 "when will we ever learn... when will we ever learn." and with music now! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9t7LbNpQcE 1571379;1479629491;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 05:10 pete_dushenski: re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know. 1571380;1479629839;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i love the "immanent trumpreich" bit. kant ftw. 1571381;1479640963;scriba;Restarting for logging update 1571382;1479641012;Framedragger;trinque: you're right. was laziness on my part (it logs to actual log, too, so this is unneeded to boot) 1571383;1479651485;mircea_popescu;incidentally, did we ever do pl/i ? 1571384;1479651567;mircea_popescu;"Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not? Multiply a character string times a bit string and assign the result to a float decimal? Go ahead! Free a controlled variable procedure parameter and reallocate it before passing it back? Overlay three different types of variable on the same memory location? Anything you say! Write a recursive macro? Well, no, but Real Men use rescan." 1571385;1479652472;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: lol, anyways I'm planning to subtitle Xtends going forward so I can tell WTF past extends were roughly about 1571386;1479652506;mircea_popescu;aha 1571387;1479652552;BingoBoingo;14 was a lot of number, 15 still a lot of number, next week still more number 1571388;1479652566;*;shinohai smacks jhvh1 for not tweeting the latest Xtended. 1571389;1479652584;mircea_popescu;lol you autotweet them ? 1571390;1479652598;shinohai;Autotweets all Qntra and trilemas 1571391;1479652607;mircea_popescu;where ? 1571392;1479652648;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/pulp-n-rind/ 1571393;1479652663;shinohai;https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/800067414918467584 <<< for example 1571394;1479652668;mircea_popescu;o hey. 1571395;1479652737;mircea_popescu;somebody should tell ver the 2010s blue shirts are no longer fashionable. 1571396;1479652776;shinohai;I keep trolling ver but he won't block me! @zooko blocked me with a *single* tweet 1571397;1479652794;mircea_popescu;hm. actually - somebody should help ver along the lines of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570491 as it occurs telling the poor man ain't gonna do much. 1571398;1479652794;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work." 1571399;1479653228;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxppNdbW8AAqfSa.jpg <<< troll harder 1571400;1479653538;mircea_popescu;at least she has her active social life to fall back on. 1571401;1479660540;asciilifeform;!!up frompeanutgaller 1571402;1479660540;deedbot;frompeanutgaller voiced for 30 minutes. 1571403;1479660580;asciilifeform;aww. 1571404;1479660619;Framedragger;^ london. gchq waved a quick "hi" 1571405;1479660656;asciilifeform;it is likely from a http://webchat.freenode.net i left in reddit thread somebody put here the other day. 1571406;1479660681;Framedragger;the public outreach efforts are commendable 1571407;1479660688;asciilifeform;them peanut folk are surprisingly shy 1571408;1479660720;asciilifeform;(we had how many, few dozen? 'fromphuctor' folk. and 1, 2, spoke ?) 1571409;1479660918;Framedragger;maybe not used to irc. "i can't add a shallow-pun-comment and feel like i contributed. i'm supposed to do.. dialogue, or something." 1571410;1479660947;asciilifeform;do they not have conversations in meatspace..? 1571411;1479661045;Framedragger;i think that many of them do not, in the sense that e.g. you understand "conversation". i don't know. i got that picture when i had spent time on reddit. 1571412;1479661085;Framedragger;socially awkward and generally inept, choose 2 of 2 to describe typical redditor. 1571413;1479661094;asciilifeform;i got acct on reddit 10 years ago now... still remember when there were ~people~ there 1571414;1479661109;asciilifeform;for short time, 2006-7ish. 1571415;1479661122;Framedragger;tbh i think there still are some small subreddits with people. couldn't confirm tho. 1571416;1479661138;asciilifeform;and there is gold and uranium in ocean water. 1571417;1479661154;asciilifeform;(almost the entire mendeleev table, in fact!111) 1571418;1479661167;Framedragger;/r/askhistorians is sometimes okay (very strict moderation, removal of inane comments, and banning of stupid users.) 1571419;1479661177;Framedragger;not saying it's worth the effort to dig! 1571420;1479661253;Framedragger;(e.g. current new post & answer; didn't read in detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/5dwk60/how_bad_would_it_have_smelled_in_a_medieval_city/ ) 1571421;1479661267;mircea_popescu;i don't think the general public is mentally capable of using irc. it just doesn't fit the reddit/disqus/chatroulette/4chan/whatever thing 1571422;1479661323;shinohai;Oh WE MUST HAZ SLACK NAU 1571423;1479661337;shinohai;with emojis! How can you chat w/out emojis? 1571424;1479661380;mircea_popescu;which is kinda the point - the context must be a) narrow and b) poking you in the eye. the problem with irc, and es-fucking-pecially irc as practiced here is that the context is vast, so vast it makes a circle much further out than the general myopia can perceive. 1571425;1479661381;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'slack' is simply today's 'aol messenger', 'icq', same '90s centralized chatroom item. sufficiently similar, on surface, to irc, that i'd imagine folks would be used to the concept ? 1571426;1479661404;mircea_popescu;nah, icq was cool. to this day it dominates the pronz, but back in the 90s it was simply the thing./ 1571427;1479661418;asciilifeform;srsly?! today?! 1571428;1479661421;mircea_popescu;aha. 1571429;1479661422;asciilifeform;the central box still runs?! 1571430;1479661440;mircea_popescu;oya. most people involved on the business side still have and daily use icq 1571431;1479661448;*;asciilifeform mind boggles 1571432;1479661489;asciilifeform;in 2003 i bought a massive hp pa-risc box (complete with emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails, etc) and it turned out to have been an old aol 'messenger' server ! 1571433;1479661498;mircea_popescu;hey, hi5 actually survived a while in foreign markets also. 1571434;1479661502;asciilifeform;(sadly nothing of interest was to be found therein, but for the fact) 1571435;1479661591;Framedragger;"emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails" << that's just plain sexy 1571436;1479661592;asciilifeform;at any rate from my 'general's armchair' i am hard-pressed to technically distinguish aim, watsap, icq, slack. 1571437;1479661601;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ironically, it didn't smell that bad. smell is a subjective sense. 1571438;1479661631;Framedragger;subjective and context-adjusting / relative, i guess? makes sense 1571439;1479661653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform icq is os. 1571440;1479661670;asciilifeform;Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1527135 << thread 1571441;1479661670;a111;Logged on 2016-08-22 21:07 asciilifeform: phf: even as late as late '90s, machines with such 'feel' were made. 1571442;1479661680;mircea_popescu;or at least was back when the jews owned it, no idea now. iirc aol actually bought them 1571443;1479661687;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there were, iirc, openly published clients for all of these 1571444;1479661694;asciilifeform;the ~servers~ were centralized 1571445;1479661705;mircea_popescu;also from a cultural pov perspective - it was the first one of many things ; including the first im. 1571446;1479661724;mircea_popescu;at a time when irc required a lot more competence to use. 1571447;1479661770;mircea_popescu;note that irc is also based on centralized servers, freenode flimflammery about donated servers aside - sure, you can donate, if your name doesn't start with m, but n. 1571448;1479661785;asciilifeform;in the same sense where ftp is 1571449;1479661797;asciilifeform;who wants - go, make server. 1571450;1479661801;mircea_popescu;no. in the same exact sense facebook is. 1571451;1479661808;mircea_popescu;who wants - go, make facebook. 1571452;1479661826;mircea_popescu;but the notion of handling 1to1 rather than 1tomany and manyto1 is not without merit ; and it allowed them to protect the users from many problems of irc, which is why it blew past irc usage by 2000 1571453;1479661894;asciilifeform;eh they were all 'manyto1', the 1 centralized aol box. (at least in the case of aol messenger, which was popular in usa at the time) 1571454;1479661913;mircea_popescu;icq predates aim. 1571455;1479661928;Framedragger;!#s federated xmpp 1571456;1479661928;a111;1 result for "federated xmpp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=federated%20xmpp 1571457;1479661931;*;asciilifeform blows dust off protocol docs 1571458;1479661948;Framedragger;ahaha, 2013: "mircea_popescu: i would never use anything that implements a protocol for any serious purpose anymore." 1571459;1479661954;Framedragger;"mircea_popescu: bitcoin isn't a protocol, it's a fucking c hairball." 1571460;1479661956;Framedragger;nice 1571461;1479661978;mircea_popescu;lol wtf is this 1571462;1479662014;Framedragger;this is mircea_popescu in september 2013, in response to "pankkake: federated xmpp isn't that bad. it can do voice/video/text with encryption" ;) 1571463;1479662021;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-12#303862 << better quote. 1571464;1479662021;a111;Logged on 2013-09-12 00:26 mircea_popescu: just don't try to sell me on any sort of comittees making "industry standards" or anything. 1571465;1479662026;mircea_popescu;early republican sentiment! 1571466;1479662061;Framedragger;yeah, fair 'nuff 1571467;1479662103;asciilifeform;seems like icq used central server exactly as aol. 1571468;1479662122;mircea_popescu;no. aol used central server exactly like icq. 1571469;1479662142;asciilifeform;(actual p2p chat between kons000mer d00dz behind NATs was impractical then just as now) 1571470;1479662584;mircea_popescu;and in other things that apparently if incomprehensibly still exist, http://www.litespeedtech.com/index.php/solutions/shared-hosting-users 1571471;1479662635;asciilifeform;weirdo proprietary httptron? 1571472;1479662643;asciilifeform;iirc microshit's is still around also.. 1571473;1479662645;mircea_popescu;drop-in apache replacement! 1571474;1479662663;mircea_popescu;i strongly doubt it actually does any replacing, but hey. 1571475;1479662689;asciilifeform;hey if ~proprietary pgp~ still exists... 1571476;1479662946;shinohai;Professor Jay Forrester, inventor of RAM, dies at 1100010 http://archive.is/3RNi9 1571477;1479663032;asciilifeform;'Forrester became a critic of growth, a position that earned him few friends.' 1571478;1479663093;asciilifeform;mccarthy, ritchie, forrester, gone... when the good doktor knuth finally kicks it, it'll be finally time to glass the place 1571479;1479663098;asciilifeform;nothing but roaches - left. 1571480;1479663129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform absolutely everyone, from grace hopper to you name it, went away 1990-2010. 1571481;1479663225;asciilifeform;вызываю огонь на себя ! (tm) (r) 1571482;1479663578;mircea_popescu;Framedragger re the above, consider just the fucking x.500 x.509 debacle. 1571483;1479663592;mircea_popescu;there is exactly 0 value in the bureaucrat ontology. 1571484;1479663681;Framedragger;ah, good example.. (yeah totally agree here) 1571485;1479664073;mircea_popescu;for that matter, exercise for the curious youth : find out why the 21st pin on the system bus in your fucking machine can be set to zero. 1571486;1479664452;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, look into why triple-fault switching rather than using the god damned reset signal ended up a programming standard. 1571487;1479664456;mircea_popescu;or on it goes. 1571488;1479664471;asciilifeform;'640k is enough for anyone' (tm) 1571489;1479664519;mircea_popescu;(pro tip - triple fault resetting is STILL in the linux kernel.) 1571490;1479664560;asciilifeform;it -- notably -- worx on all x86 boxen, unlike the acpi 'soft reset' crapola which -- not so much 1571491;1479664582;mircea_popescu;hey - standards, amirite. 1571492;1479664638;asciilifeform;(btw when you throw acpi crapolade out of linuxbios, the binary shrinks 2x) 1571493;1479664650;asciilifeform;'BUT IT WOULD BE WRONG' 1571494;1479664690;mircea_popescu;here's the whole story of standard : 1. hey, wouldn't it be great if we mattered ? 2. so if it'd be great, then therefore we matter! 3. our not mattering is wrong! 1571495;1479664736;asciilifeform;4. watch those schmucks over there, they built a working machine. and now nobody needs'em, they dun MATTER. 5. we will not make this mistake 1571496;1479664743;mircea_popescu;"Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not?" 1571497;1479664966;*;asciilifeform has a relative who moved to usa in 1980s and made phat wage programming in PL/I for many many years. it is 'featurism' incarnate, like american legal code. and for roughly same reason. 1571498;1479665027;mircea_popescu;the thing everyone-but-us fails to comprehend is that the ~only way in which a relatively simple functional system becomes the de facto standard is through a lofty body of pretense declaring a much more complex and dysfunctional system "the standard". 1571499;1479665051;asciilifeform;there were (and for all i know, still !) periodic conventions where folks would demand MOAR featuritis 1571500;1479665062;mircea_popescu;i'm sure. 1571501;1479665114;asciilifeform;and i always liked to imagine that a pl/i programmer dies like the proverbial talmudist dies, when a volume of the megalithic encyclopaedia of crapolade finally falls on his head from the top shelf 1571502;1479666539;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/SG5uV << this is actuallty a pretty decent read (by virtue of the anodyne jew "authoring" the piece out of mostly verbatim bannon material) 1571503;1479666612;mircea_popescu;the point where the murdoch clan is going to probably try and reconstruct "conservative" fox into a "centrist" bullshit built around that mispelled megan kelly harlot (really, ambitious news anchor who lied about the network boss "sexually harassing" her to try and take his place, what a fine clinton!) 1571504;1479666636;mircea_popescu;and the point where the conservatives are likely going to hate trump more than the liberals ever did, two years from now. 1571505;1479666728;mircea_popescu;the point where hillary talked to the WRONG set of 9bn-worth corps with 9 employees, ie the failure of the usg to elect its candidate has exactly to do with the elites deserting it in favour of the republic, ie http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ 1571506;1479666765;mircea_popescu;now the part where the financial markets afford a once-in-a-century opportunity to rebuild is sound ; but the part where jacked up "iron works and shipyards" are the answer is ridiculous. 1571507;1479666800;asciilifeform;or say, mr.t's 'rebuild and reinvigorate' (or what was it) nsa/cia 1571508;1479666813;asciilifeform;догоним и перегоним ! 1571509;1479666835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's no way around it - us signals is more of a joke than stalin's were in 1938. 1571510;1479666863;mircea_popescu;whole thing has to be scrapped and rebuilt, they're a laughingstock not for actually competent players such as romania, but for utter nobodies from fucking arfrica / latam 1571511;1479666865;asciilifeform;and what is this 'rebuild' nonsense. where is the smoke of the ovens cremating the megatonnes of defective hyooman materiel ? 1571512;1479666869;asciilifeform;i dun smell any smoke. 1571513;1479666889;mircea_popescu;hey, ask 'em not me. 1571514;1479667238;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's clear bannon has no more use of the gop than of the dems ; trump's intelligent ouvertures to libertard reps evidently bear his signature. you're going to get your brown shirts next year chances are. 1571515;1479667471;*;asciilifeform practices, 'Spieß voran! Drauf und dran! Setzt aufs Princetondach den Roten Hahn!' 1571516;1479667871;*;mircea_popescu wonders if by trumpreich rules, he is more us citizen than colored woman born there. 1571517;1479667992;asciilifeform;there are really 2 'trumpreichs', the imaginary, spherical one, which is friend of tmsr, sound money, etc. and the physical one, that is (to borrow from lenin) 'we smashed the old shithouse and now gotta build new one using the bricks of the old' 1571518;1479668007;mircea_popescu;lol ok 1571519;1479668018;asciilifeform;in the former - yes, d00d like mircea_popescu who can do arithmetic and write down the alphabet, say, is citizen, and locally born monkey - not. 1571520;1479668041;asciilifeform;in the latter - i have nfi. SHIPYARDS!11111 1571521;1479668163;*;asciilifeform off to try an' get $useful_thing done, bbl. 1571522;1479668175;mircea_popescu;nobody planning to spend a trn dollars can possibly be for sound money. 1571523;1479669102;Framedragger;!#s mpex 1571524;1479669103;a111;59379 results for "mpex", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mpex 1571525;1479669133;Framedragger;"dns" 1571526;1479669143;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1571527;1479669179;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'm putting up a webpage which mentions phuctor, and i want to give reference to S.NSA as the corporation which produced phuctor. how do i link to mpex? 1571528;1479669191;Framedragger;can i link by ip address? if so, which? 1571529;1479669219;Framedragger;or is it not supposed to be reachable by non-mpex-users? 1571530;1479669223;mircea_popescu;23.235.235.115 23.235.235.227 for example. 1571531;1479669231;Framedragger;ah, ty! 1571532;1479669232;mircea_popescu;you can archive pages if you prefer. 1571533;1479669258;Framedragger;yo scriba, http://23.235.235.115 1571534;1479669263;Framedragger;and http://23.235.235.227 1571535;1479669266;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima get it some more domains jus didn't get around to it 1571536;1479669308;mircea_popescu;but the important point here i guess is that mpex is a service ; not a publisher. you're essentially asking "how do i include some pigeons in my book" 1571537;1479669328;mircea_popescu;well... unless you have a camera that works, i have no idea. the pigeons ~themselves~ aren't book-ready. 1571538;1479669370;Framedragger;sure, i guess i catch the drift 1571539;1479670632;mircea_popescu;holy shit learn to distinguish fact and desire. or whatever, hillary 2016! 1571540;1479671062;Framedragger;!#s simondon 1571541;1479671062;a111;0 results for "simondon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=simondon 1571542;1479671083;Framedragger;^ this guy (died ca. 1960?) had things to say about cyberpunk. deleuze stole from him. 1571543;1479671114;Framedragger;iirc theres an essay on technical object, i admit to not reading it in whole, it's in mah list tho. 1571544;1479671134;Framedragger;but, it has that.. continental philosophy style. however, compared to deleuze and derrida, much less bullshit-y. 1571545;1479671186;mircea_popescu;cyberpunk as understood by bartle-likes is very different from what you think about. in this dork's mind it's strictly us and a consumer affair, of the 70s. like disco hair, us-gayness, pulp fiction or mechanical pianos. 1571546;1479671214;mircea_popescu;"no matter how you do your hair, you still gotta wake up when the alarm rings on monday morning" === "the real world always wins in the end". 1571547;1479671216;Framedragger;aha. mh yeah that sounds pretty derp 1571548;1479671249;mircea_popescu;it's soundly set on the footing of "i have no philosophy, just some hobbies to pass the time". americana entire, moreso than picket fences. 1571549;1479671281;mircea_popescu;kinda why they spent the 90s fascinated with fad diets and "issues". content-free "people". 1571550;1479674431;*;mod6 adventures in db4.8_dump 1571551;1479674645;shinohai;The guy that tried scamming Eulora promotion moved on to scamming via faucet: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1674878 1571552;1479674857;mod6;what a dolt. with less effort you can mine with your hands in eulora ftw. 1571553;1479674886;mod6;"hey kid, mow the lawn." 1571554;1479674918;shinohai;He got butthurt because of getting caught and negrated me for not getting payed xD 1571555;1479674983;mod6;smh 1571556;1479675016;mod6;"i scammed you fair and square! you're a shitty victim! *negrate*" 1571557;1479675034;shinohai;lel 1571558;1479675128;mod6;what's the old saying "scammers gonna scam" 1571559;1479675144;mod6;you should have seen -otc in '11 1571560;1479675201;shinohai;In my few dealing on otc, I was fortunate enough to already know someone trustworthy there. 1571561;1479675210;shinohai;Was the only guy I ever dealt with. 1571562;1479675216;mod6;werd 1571563;1479678533;jhvh1;[gpgram] pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xyqj7/?raw=true 1571564;1479680871;mircea_popescu;doh 1571565;1479681566;mircea_popescu;speaking of this, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis, 1571566;1479681566;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 16:46 asciilifeform: iirc there were earlier instances where mircea_popescu and other folx tried to recycle'em into something: the incident with the rental posters (who was that..?), the 'get epsilon btc to make eulora player', possibly other instances of beehive-fucking 1571567;1479681566;mircea_popescu; but it sure as fuck dun follow kalliergesis. 1571568;1479681566;mircea_popescu;more importantly c) intelligent folks know about it but dun seem inclined to try it ; perhaps because preconceived notions (oh, a game is below my intelligence and i couldn't be happy with a black woman), perhaps for whatever other cause. 1571569;1479681570;mircea_popescu;so you know, yes i do spend my money to make the world a less shitty place but plox don't take this as some sort of free radical ready to be combined with your stubborn refusal and yield whatever nutty interpretation. it ain't that free a radical. 1571570;1479682012;mircea_popescu;Framedragger and i suppose the point should be made, that yes wiener-cybernetics is an exercise in being ridiculous. 1571571;1479683486;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571570 << which wiener cybernetics ? the one in the book, with the analogue feedback loop machines etc ? 1571572;1479683486;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 22:46 mircea_popescu: Framedragger and i suppose the point should be made, that yes wiener-cybernetics is an exercise in being ridiculous. 1571573;1479683521;asciilifeform;(it is, incidentally, the idiot word salad 'fandom' of ~this~ 'cybernetics' that stalin banhammered, and not some other, practical thing) 1571574;1479683522;mircea_popescu;yes, the one with the "i'm going to describe the object according to genus and species i already have because lulz, my mom fucked herself to the moon" 1571575;1479683637;asciilifeform;as a student i read the thing, expecting the worst, but it was surprisingly sane 1571576;1479683651;asciilifeform;it was the 'fandom', on the other hand... 1571577;1479683669;mircea_popescu;all good jokes are persuasive, necessarily. the problem however is fundamental and ineluctable, or in simondon's own terms 1571578;1479683680;mircea_popescu;gah this place keeps forcing me to go digging through archives. 1571579;1479683682;asciilifeform;(needless to say, wiener's b00k has 0 to do with computer or any similar mechanism from today) 1571580;1479683727;asciilifeform;http://uberty.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Norbert_Wiener_Cybernetics.pdf << 133333337 w4r3z for anyone who for some odd reason needs this. 1571581;1479683957;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571565 << 'min wage' as found in usa and elsewhere is a complex and long-term parasitic relationship, not a d00d who throws a penny at a bootblack and expects something other than derisive smirk 1571582;1479683957;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 22:39 mircea_popescu: speaking of this, and re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis, 1571583;1479683989;asciilifeform;the 'min wage' folx do this thing... where was the thread, with the 'we make a home!' 1571584;1479684095;mircea_popescu;"des le debut, la cybernetique a accepte ce que toute theorie de la technologie doit refuser : une classification des objets technologues menee par des criteres preexistants et selon des genres et especes etabils." 1571585;1479684099;asciilifeform;this is why 'convert stupid folx' is imho a total and irredeemable dead end -- because they are not ~that~ stupid, and - while knowing that beelzebub created them to die in a uranium mine at age 19, there is instead this scam where they get 'picket fence house' and a 'ford.' so why should they volunteer for the mine. 1571586;1479684145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your fixation with "a penny" doesn't help however. it wasn't a penny, it was more than they make at home. 1571587;1479684154;asciilifeform;but a 1time moar, neh? 1571588;1479684159;mircea_popescu;neh. 1571589;1479684166;mircea_popescu;it was open ended. 1571590;1479684172;asciilifeform;i'ma stfu re this point, because i never eulora'd. 1571591;1479684177;asciilifeform;so i have nfi 1571592;1479684198;mircea_popescu;neither did they :) 1571593;1479684207;asciilifeform;if it actually contains a 'min wage' apparatus inside somewhere, that these folx could theoretically pay rent from, i take it all back. 1571594;1479684214;mircea_popescu;it was an epic, explosive proof of the whole "poor people are poor because they are stupid, and for no other reason." 1571595;1479684267;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you were to write timetables, how much time would you count "generate a pgp key and register it with deedbot" ? full hour ? ten minutes ? full day ? 1571596;1479684284;asciilifeform;it depends -- must i first learn the alphabet ? 1571597;1479684293;mircea_popescu;this is not how this job works. 1571598;1479684311;asciilifeform;well, for the purpose of this hypothetical, gotta pick, man or monkey 1571599;1479684323;mircea_popescu;you familiar with how army works ? 1571600;1479684325;asciilifeform;if monkey - i cannot answer , i am not a trainer of monkeys, do not know how long it takes 1571601;1479684328;asciilifeform;yes. 1571602;1479684335;mircea_popescu;to load up f-19 with sidewinders, 32 minutes 1571603;1479684343;mircea_popescu;to refuel plane under deck, 117 minutes 1571604;1479684343;mircea_popescu;etc. 1571605;1479684348;asciilifeform;but army has iq cutoff. 1571606;1479684360;mircea_popescu;use the same cutoff. 1571607;1479684380;mircea_popescu;or use whatever sane cutoff. after all - this is human resource engineering not metaphysics. 1571608;1479684388;asciilifeform;i'd give a literate tank loader , say, 30 min. 1571609;1479684393;asciilifeform;to make pgp key. 1571610;1479684422;mircea_popescu;so then. by this token working eulora would have paid them MORE than what going to college would have paid them. 1571611;1479684440;mircea_popescu;which means that if i charged them 50k a year for four years in advance - they'd be about even. 1571612;1479684451;asciilifeform;well that's for the intro. but does it smell sufficiently like 'meal ticket' ? 1571613;1479684488;asciilifeform;how much play does it take to extract, say, 1btc, with 'manual labour' ? 1571614;1479684505;Framedragger;asciilifeform: btw banners: i'm yet to clean up the logs (some time next week or thereafter), but just in case you're eager (prolly have lots on yer head tho), here they are: http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/banners/ ; s1 has 13 files corresponding to the 13 bundles; s2 is from the additional bundle i sent you later (the re-scan + additional hosts). together this constitutes whole ipv4. 1571615;1479684506;mircea_popescu;there's no manual labour, it's a computer. 1571616;1479684507;Framedragger; the *banners.txt's are my partial cleanup, *_err_scan.log's are the original stderr's (with some junk in them). but i will clean this myself later. and siphnos.mkj.lt is where i'll host phuctor-related data. (it's on a separate unused vps, got an 'ok' from $work for now.) 1571617;1479684519;asciilifeform;(1 btc / mo. will buy a starvation-level existence in the cheaper parts of usa. supposing you also know how to convert it to zimbabwistan currencies.) 1571618;1479684531;asciilifeform;Framedragger: do not hurry. my hands - quite full atm. 1571619;1479684536;Framedragger;kk. :) 1571620;1479684549;mircea_popescu;but, that aside, with no actual work (ie, on a windows machine, which is how we say "unprogrammable computer") something like a coupla weeks. 1571621;1479684616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the record, i pegged same at 1hr rather than 30mins, but anyways. 1571622;1479684622;asciilifeform;would this 'mineral' coin remain, waiting to be dug out, in the game, if sizeable population of these folx actually appeared to look for it ..? 1571623;1479684648;mircea_popescu;no. i would have obviously been forced to end it eventually. however, they didn't even come fucking close to giving me a run for my money. 1571624;1479684656;Framedragger;(and for logs, http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/ << all data from ssh scans, in a more stable place.) 1571625;1479684667;asciilifeform;perhaps these people are slightly more 'long term' thinkers than appearances let on ? 1571626;1479684677;asciilifeform;and mother taught them 'no free lunch' 1571627;1479684689;mircea_popescu;understand the forces at work here - some dork famously promised to pay anyone commenting in his thing 1 bitcent if trump won. then trump won, and he ran off over a debt of ... 25btc, accumulated from a "massive" 2500 comments. 1571628;1479684696;mircea_popescu;i on the other hand paid out 1k btc on a whim. 1571629;1479684714;mircea_popescu;so yes - there'd be need for either 40 reddits ; or else you know, for less amphibian brains. 1571630;1479684735;mircea_popescu;but the "long term thinker" theory utterly fails when confronted with daily reality. 1571631;1479684763;asciilifeform;notice how 'civilians' (reddit folk etc) still react in disbelief when they read about mpex having worked as-described ? they will sooner believe in telekinesis, ufo proctologists abducting 50yo d00dz, divine healings, etc. 1571632;1479684788;asciilifeform;because a d00d keeping promises re money is so far removed from everyday experience of homo americanicus 1571633;1479684791;mircea_popescu;anyway - the point remains, there are REASONS i / we discredit things. there ACTUALLY WAS A WAY for "bitcoin community" on tardstalk to impress me. 1571634;1479684804;mircea_popescu;jsut as there was a way, years ago, for "bitcoin developer community" to impress me. 1571635;1479684812;mircea_popescu;that these doors successively close doth not mean they weren't there. 1571636;1479684825;asciilifeform;monkeys do not know how to turn door knob. 1571637;1479684828;*;shinohai found it a rather fun experiment, learned quite a bit along the way. 1571638;1479684831;asciilifeform;then -- or now. 1571639;1479684849;mircea_popescu;and therefore people are poor because stupid and for no other reasons. 1571640;1479684896;mircea_popescu;but anyway - at issue is not what is claimed / appears to be at issue. at issue is that people want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway, and not, for any reason, njot ever, be paid to change what they do or how they do it. 1571641;1479684926;mircea_popescu;which is why i got all the fiverr dorks failing miserably - they were simply applying the homer simpson heuristic - "i will now chomp my jaws and if a pie happens to go in the way a well". 1571642;1479684958;mircea_popescu;which is why - write 2500 pointless comments on reddit, yay! but make yourself a key nay! 1571643;1479685048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider the following amusing datapoint - other than the "intro" ie, first bitcent, people could make more through digging up ordinary claims for me. the way this works is that you end up with a lot of material, which has to be taken back to town, but you can't carry it, because overweight. there is A BOT! written, documented on wiki, discussed on channel, that shortcuts this. 1571644;1479685069;mircea_popescu;the few dudes who actually worked this dragged the fucking load BY HAND making DOZENS of trips. in spite of being told to read logs and read wiki. 1571645;1479685077;mircea_popescu;same thing could have been done by the built-in bot. 1571646;1479685092;asciilifeform;btw the same folx who spat on eulora coin -- happily jumped through 1,001 hoops to participate in pyramids on tardstalk etc. because, i suspect, they are not actually stupid, and pyramid offers the dull an opportunity to ~scan next level down~. whereas they could not see where greater fool is to come from at eulora. 1571647;1479685094;mircea_popescu;in one trip. with all the oversight of looking over two times over six minutes. 1571648;1479685101;asciilifeform;*scam next 1571649;1479685145;mircea_popescu;why not ? 1571650;1479685151;asciilifeform;sorta how if i throw some gold dust in a crack in city pavement, it will not lead to a gold rush 1571651;1479685158;asciilifeform;but if in an old mine - it might. 1571652;1479685160;mircea_popescu;they could have sold fucking ebooks about how to make money, like all the other shit they do. what is an "infoproduct" and why doesn't this qualify ? 1571653;1479685198;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because even the dull know that bitcoin cannot be magicked out of the aether. 1571654;1479685211;mircea_popescu;get out of here. 1571655;1479685229;mircea_popescu;it's not even clear the general population knows it's not edible. 1571656;1479685259;asciilifeform;actually this may well be. and this train of thought has gone off the cliff of asciilifeform's very, very limited experience with the Expertly Sad demographic. 1571657;1479685294;Framedragger;i would wager a claim that hackernews folk - those who need the money and who click through - would be more motivated and more reflective than tardstalk kids (with large enough sample sizes to confirm). i'll consider finding some suitable wording to be posted there, assuming there being interest. 1571658;1479685304;Framedragger;(and yes HN is evil and it's possible it's censoring asciilifeform's posts) 1571659;1479685320;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you can try, our material generally lasts 1-2 hrs. there. 1571660;1479685357;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you will rediscover the same thing : that all the love for ycombinator comes out of the misplaced hopes of a bunch of potheads that graham will pay them to... be potheads. 1571661;1479685365;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i've seen (and i've posted under a normal-to-their-eyes non-newbie account myself, but mine may have just not attracted interest), fuck them, yes 1571662;1479685384;asciilifeform;Framedragger: what isn't clear to me is that we lose anything thereby 1571663;1479685399;mircea_popescu;since thye have no such hope about me, they "don't like" me. and so on. it's an easy enough game to play, but honestly i'd rather move to thailand and "seduce" the local whores, $50 at a time. 1571664;1479685404;asciilifeform;the hn, reddit, etc. bots+meatpuppets collectively sum to 0 imho. 1571665;1479685408;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: oh, i hear you, i've no love there. but some smart people still hang out there. but, yes, naivete of the youth, i submit that i've nothing to show until i've something to show 1571666;1479685432;mircea_popescu;in which vein, let me recount a little anecdote from personal history. 1571667;1479685456;Framedragger;the thailand plan intuitively attracts more, true.. 1571668;1479685458;asciilifeform;Framedragger: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dth6w/who_is_mircea << linked here last night. i left a webirc thing in there. total: 1 click. and 0 words. 1571669;1479685516;mircea_popescu;so yesterday i went to a bdsm vip party. this consists of about a hundred people in a hotel rented for the purpose. i brought the hottest girl there, by a fat margin. i took up a loft, with a nice view on the people below, cropped her lightly, fucked her and had a good time. while all this was going on, in a different place they were having an "auction" based on tokens from some dumbass website they have. 1571670;1479685566;mircea_popescu;because hey, selling the dumbasses for actual money would expose a) their collective poverty and b) force change. so they use tokens, which supposedly come "from activity", ie like reddit gold, but in practice are a transparent ploy to enforce a social hierarchy without social basis. ie, EXACTLY ycombinator. 1571671;1479685604;asciilifeform;usd is not so distant from reddit token. 1571672;1479685608;mircea_popescu;a dude "won" like three of the derpy adolescentine chicks, for an absurdly astronomical amount (literally, just his supposed bids overstate activity on that website by a factor of more than 100). 1571673;1479685616;mircea_popescu;then he proceeded to... use them. guess what this usage consisted of ? 1571674;1479685618;asciilifeform;(in terms for how seriously heavy holders come by it) 1571675;1479685630;Framedragger;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5dth6w/who_is_mircea/da7oidf/ << heheh 1571676;1479685692;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do the 'winners' typically do with the 'win' ? 1571677;1479685695;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: use them by observing how other people fuck? 1571678;1479685701;Framedragger;or making girls fuck so he can observe them? 1571679;1479685708;Framedragger;this is amusing 1571680;1479685716;mircea_popescu;mno. you'd think at the very least he'd fuck them, but... no. he... masturbated them. 1571681;1479685727;Framedragger;oh 1571682;1479685741;mircea_popescu;all through this seeking my approval in the sense of trying to verify if im all that impressed. i... wasn't fucking impressed, because why the fuck would i be impressed with the male nurse. 1571683;1479685744;Framedragger;kinda makes me sad 1571684;1479685760;mircea_popescu;that's the problem with social hierarchies without social basis : they corrupt, fundamentally. the "leader" becomes the servant. 1571685;1479685777;mircea_popescu;i could have told mine to jump off the fucking balcony. she would have. 1571686;1479685792;asciilifeform;this is quite puzzling, if you aren't into public fuck ( as asciilifeform for instance is not ) WHY COME to such party 1571687;1479685795;mircea_popescu;he couldn't as much as take their fucking knickers off because omaygerd amarisho!!1 1571688;1479685803;mircea_popescu;because they're into herding. 1571689;1479685823;mircea_popescu;and herding animals will go wherever there's herding safe spaces. 1571690;1479685849;mircea_popescu;which bdsm sould be exactly about NOT, but hey, let common people get involved in things, the things will look like common people. 1571691;1479685868;mircea_popescu;but back to the issue : they want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway AND STRICTLY THAT. 1571692;1479685868;asciilifeform;was showing up to this gig somehow 'expected', what, officemates in the dept. of derpland seekoority would make fun of d00d who didn't show ? 1571693;1479685874;mircea_popescu;nah. 1571694;1479685880;Framedragger;"i heard bdsm is the trend nao, i'll go there". such a waste... 1571695;1479685888;mircea_popescu;it's mostly a collection of confused girlies and hopelessly dorky dudes 1571696;1479685908;asciilifeform;roughly what sort of bag of money was needed to get in the door ? 1571697;1479685921;mircea_popescu;plus a few public servants, plus a few occasionals who have been bringing their WIFE who is also their sunday slave once a few months for years. 1571698;1479685984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think money does it. they charge like 20 bux a head (yes, same for male or female, SAME IF ALONE etc!!1), but i think i'm on the list mostly because they're petriscared of me. it isn't open to the general public. 1571699;1479686072;Framedragger;"no possibility of transcend", so to speak, following protocol. (re. "can you pay me to do what i'm used to doing when i get paid") 1571700;1479686078;mircea_popescu;aha. 1571701;1479686101;mircea_popescu;that's the whole fucking point. liberals ? NIGGA WHAT ?!?! nobody is a liberal, the last one died in siberia. 1571702;1479686112;mircea_popescu;they're UBERconservative, so fucking self-protective it boggles anyone's mind. 1571703;1479686117;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it isn't so different from ordinary concept of 'profession'. cobbler expects to be paid to make boots, not to sweep street. etc 1571704;1479686139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform none of (reddit clicking / forum derping / bdsming) is a profesion. 1571705;1479686146;mircea_popescu;they are supposed to be the opposite of professions : educations. 1571706;1479686151;asciilifeform;well no. but same circuits are engaged. 1571707;1479686154;mircea_popescu;wrongly. 1571708;1479686242;Framedragger;i'm sure that making say decent artisan boots ain't fuckin' easy at all. (sure, working as a knob in a large factory is another thing - though i'd like to see redditards sweat many hours a day at factory and not call for mommy) 1571709;1479686272;mircea_popescu;not a matter of easy or hard. a mater of separating vocation from avocation and your imortal soul from the fucking commerce spiel. 1571710;1479686288;mircea_popescu;also known as "have some fucking self respect" in some circles. 1571711;1479686293;asciilifeform;Framedragger: most folx in usa working 'office job' are not doing anything considerably different, in aesthetic or even results, than reddit click 1571712;1479686307;mircea_popescu;which is why they're so lost. 1571713;1479686308;Framedragger;i do see the general parallel, sure.. 1571714;1479686309;asciilifeform;(and often there is considerable time on literal reddit etc. involved.) 1571715;1479686318;Framedragger;yeah. 1571716;1479686345;Framedragger;incidentally on HN frontpage http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/20/jobs/quit-social-media-your-career-may-depend-on-it.html 1571717;1479686350;asciilifeform;and american-style liberasty is simply the indignation of one set of redditors that the other is paid, while they - not 1571718;1479686365;mircea_popescu;this isn't even so far off. 1571719;1479686381;mircea_popescu;"marxism" reconstructed in social media jealousy. 1571720;1479686396;mircea_popescu;"why myspace users make myspace gold which is worth three reddit gold ?!?!? UNFARE!" 1571721;1479686455;Framedragger;heh. labour theory of value for reddit: i spend hour at reddit while you spend hour at reddit at work - why we unequal 1571722;1479686488;mircea_popescu;goes right with the "western women be bitchez" logics of the alt-unfucked. 1571723;1479686552;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/zw2bw << lulz from above fishwrap. mr.t's vp goes to theatre, is heckled ~by the actors~ ) 1571724;1479686569;mircea_popescu;hey, at least they didn;'t shoot him amirite. 1571725;1479686574;asciilifeform;aha! 1571726;1479686576;asciilifeform;that was my 1st thought 1571727;1479686591;asciilifeform;they nervously smoke in the corner, in light of mr. booth. 1571728;1479686612;mircea_popescu;aha 1571729;1479686624;mircea_popescu;see, booth WAS a liberal. these dorks are conservative. 1571730;1479686640;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as liberal narcissism. 1571731;1479686641;*;Framedragger goes to sleep his sweet unequal sleep hours. 1571732;1479686642;shinohai;Gavin voicing support for segwit in attempt to social engineer his way back into r/bitcoin favor: http://archive.is/8gAQw 1571733;1479686656;mircea_popescu;i thought the other one was the good one ? 1571734;1479686664;asciilifeform;waitasec i though he was ~author~ of the segfuckery 1571735;1479686742;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as far as i can see, the old idiocies 'xt' and 'classic' were simply renamed 1571736;1479686745;asciilifeform;and re-faced 1571737;1479686756;mircea_popescu;no ?! 1571738;1479686773;mircea_popescu;this unexpected shocks me! 1571739;1479686774;asciilifeform;now called 'unlimited' and 'segwit', iirc 1571740;1479686790;asciilifeform;or i fuhget, i am not 'pro redditor', do not keep up. 1571741;1479686835;asciilifeform;'choose,' said the chieftain, 'death, or bunga-bunga.' (tm) (r) (somewhere) 1571742;1479686859;mircea_popescu;anyway, re public fucking - it's good for the soul, what's to be "into". public fucking, public speaking, public dying, it's all human nature. 1571743;1479686892;asciilifeform;not everybody's a mig pilot. 1571744;1479686902;*;mircea_popescu grants 1571745;1479687234;mircea_popescu;but i will point out that i'm not into it per se ; i just don't happen to give a shit. 1571746;1479687242;asciilifeform;~= 1571747;1479687278;asciilifeform;'who said i'm into flying mig, i just dun give a shit how many G's, 1 or 12' 1571748;1479687333;mircea_popescu;lol. 1571749;1479687346;mircea_popescu;can't argue with that huh. 1571750;1479688184;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygdv1aQnNRY << re mircea_popescu's army procedures times/checklists, lulzy american ad. rocket system runs on msdos+turbovision, who knew! 1571751;1479688980;mircea_popescu;aha! 1571752;1479689504;shinohai;Cultural sensitivity, coming soon to a city near you: https://archive.is/wmemN 1571753;1479689728;mircea_popescu;bloomington is a city now ? 1571754;1479689738;mircea_popescu;i thought it was just a campus. 1571755;1479692309;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571699 << and incidentally, this is also the deep font of all that love for "regulation". it's exactly what ballas correctly identifies as defense against change. 1571756;1479692309;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 23:54 Framedragger: "no possibility of transcend", so to speak, following protocol. (re. "can you pay me to do what i'm used to doing when i get paid") 1571757;1479692364;mircea_popescu;they wish not merely to be personally insured against the situation where the owner of capital forces them to subjectively change - they wish for this to not happen, anywhere, ever. because if it doesn't happen anywhere ever, it's not even that they're retards (literally, infantile minds trapped in adult bodies), but "just how things are". the normalisation of neoteny is the fundamental point of regulation. 1571758;1479692429;mircea_popescu;in which sense, of course they're at least scared of trump. and of course he's "the rapist". forcing change in the passive subject, irrespective of said subject's spinny ruminations - intolerabru! 1571759;1479696347;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: In latest Xtend, last item 1571760;1479696473;BingoBoingo; i thought it was just a campus. << There are cities named bloomington in Illinois and Indiana, both bloomingtons have campuses. neither are anything special 1571761;1479697931;mircea_popescu;myeah 1571762;1479697942;mircea_popescu;in other news i watched blackmirror.nosedive. 1571763;1479697959;mircea_popescu;not horribru, but it totally seems like they had a decent idea and then didn't really know what to do with it. 1571764;1479699883;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1571765;1479699890;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 728.64, vol: 5635.54797246 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 729.788, vol: 4874.26491 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 730.58, vol: 13933.39506101 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 742.821156, vol: 2067720.08120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 730.0, vol: 1294.1084504 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.663236155 1571766;1479699925;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --curreny rmb 1571767;1479699926;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code is a valid (1 more message) 1571768;1479699941;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb 1571769;1479699947;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 5126.17, vol: 2068515.11580000 | Volume-weighted last average: 5126.17 1571770;1479700617;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5743 1571771;1479701421;mircea_popescu;mkay, so working class usians want the us to be more like argentina, ie, poor and stupid but monolithic in the poverty of stupidity. "they'll be happier". 1571772;1479701948;BingoBoingo;Well, what else? Equalitit et al. 1571773;1479702113;mircea_popescu;heh. 1571774;1479702156;mircea_popescu;which is how the whole "jews invented sluttery so hardworking redditards don't ~get~ a^H THEIR woman!" 1571775;1479702166;mircea_popescu;became a thing. 1571776;1479702515;BingoBoingo;Best tit is inequalitit 1571777;1479703719;mircea_popescu;phf http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161120/#285 << missing from yours ? 1571778;1479703720;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-20: [19:36:42] ACTION tries to read bartle because people keep insisting. aside from his tiresome cabotinism (really bitch, mud1 is a major point of reference, because why, you never heard of rogue/nethack or what) he's about as sighted as a snail. 'cyberpunk teaches designers a number of valuable lessons about the sociology and psychology of players and the 1571779;1479703721;scriba;responsibilities of developers. virtual worlds are not insulated from the real world 1571780;1479704298;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : total student debt in the us is 1.25 trn. ie - more than bannon's trillion. 1571781;1479704912;BingoBoingo;Power Move For Bannon: Forgive it and blame Obama. 1571782;1479704986;BingoBoingo;Or Clinton/BushFoxNews/Obama 1571783;1479704999;BingoBoingo;Watch how many poor stay poor 1571784;1479705025;mircea_popescu;hey, i'd totally see trump go on tv first day of term and say "all us college degrees are utterly worthless anyway, so nobody should have to pay back anything to anyone for them." 1571785;1479705031;mircea_popescu;and sign executive order. see what happens. 1571786;1479705056;mircea_popescu;harvard will get really, really angry and... what ? birbe putin to invade ? 1571787;1479705082;mircea_popescu;with what money, with all their apple stock that could buy russia ? 1571788;1479705086;BingoBoingo;Or pin bailout to successful trade school + apprenticeship in trade for maximal butthurt 1571789;1479705111;mircea_popescu;or pin it to posting sharpie in pooper. 1571790;1479705115;BingoBoingo;lol 1571791;1479705134;mircea_popescu;total nuclear countrywide cuntgrab. 1571792;1479705187;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, baristas waiting for waiting for screenplay idea who refuse to work with dirty and wood and hands are stuck still in debt because circular saws are so unfair 1571793;1479705212;BingoBoingo;OMG concrete dust on THESE jeans! 1571794;1479705305;BingoBoingo;OMG no air conditioning until AFTER building wired! 1571795;1479705338;BingoBoingo;It'll be like Elliot and the staircase on a mass scale! 1571796;1479705448;BingoBoingo;Also for alf's satisfaction, Shipyards. 1571797;1479708667;trinque;http://wot.deedbot.org/29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1.html << thing's coming along. 1571798;1479708807;trinque;nodes in the svg are hyperlinks nao, thickness indicates rating value 1571799;1479708869;*;trinque probably will have a nick & fp search on it in a few days, pubkey download, sorts on table cols 1571800;1479709434;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun 1571801;1479709488;mircea_popescu;trinque can also has link to deeds, sorted by sig ? 1571802;1479709499;mircea_popescu;and to phf's v viewer, idem ? 1571803;1479709506;trinque;certainly can 1571804;1479709604;mircea_popescu;ah these are exciting times 1571805;1479710439;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/liberals-what-liberals/ << Trilema - Liberals ? What liberals ? 1571806;1479717680;mod6;injector/coil pack job done. runs like a watch. 1571807;1479727525;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571797 << looks fuckin' good! 1571808;1479727525;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 06:11 trinque: http://wot.deedbot.org/29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1.html << thing's coming along. 1571809;1479732501;Framedragger;asciilifeform: since i'm fiddling around with postgres for work anyway, i'm curious, if you find a moment, could you maybe send me the postgresql.conf file on phuctor's machine? i'd take a look (it's very possible you know much more re. what's needed there, but i'm just curious about a coupla parameters, doesn't hurt to check) 1571810;1479733733;mircea_popescu;mod6 is building his own mig! 1571811;1479733867;shinohai;Now he can spread those chemtrails in style. 1571812;1479737566;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/blackmirrornosedivefinal/ << Trilema - blac...inal 1571813;1479737827;mircea_popescu;o hey it works. 1571814;1479737861;mircea_popescu;trinque dots should be stop chars though. i meant actual solid alphanum blocks not "blackmirror.nosedive.final" 1571815;1479737914;mircea_popescu;[a-zA-Z0-9] 1571816;1479738808;mircea_popescu;and in other news nobody cares about, https://archive.is/lh93u << microsoft management in romania as well as various politicians etc arrested for graft and whatnot. 1571817;1479738827;mircea_popescu;apparently microsoft gets institutional contracts through bribing the local politicians, who could have guessed. 1571818;1479740631;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571797 << this is very very neat. 1571819;1479740631;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 06:11 trinque: http://wot.deedbot.org/29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1.html << thing's coming along. 1571820;1479740687;asciilifeform;!!unrate xmj 1571821;1479740688;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/589ar/?raw=true 1571822;1479740697;asciilifeform;!!unrate liquidassets 1571823;1479740699;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/atan1/?raw=true 1571824;1479740714;asciilifeform;!!unrate blazedout419 1571825;1479740715;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/iccb8/?raw=true 1571826;1479740726;asciilifeform;!!unrate oleanie 1571827;1479740727;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/3muvd/?raw=true 1571828;1479740735;asciilifeform;!!unrate nubbins` 1571829;1479740736;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6rosr/?raw=true 1571830;1479740741;Framedragger;!!unrate pirateat40 1571831;1479740743;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ns93c/?raw=true 1571832;1479740746;asciilifeform;!!unrate mrottenkolber 1571833;1479740748;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2f8rg/?raw=true 1571834;1479740753;asciilifeform;!!unrate moiety 1571835;1479740755;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/tcl1y/?raw=true 1571836;1479740759;asciilifeform;!!unrate foofingers 1571837;1479740761;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5e60z/?raw=true 1571838;1479740770;asciilifeform;!!unrate felipelalli 1571839;1479740771;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/l9cwi/?raw=true 1571840;1479740783;asciilifeform;!!unrate Joshua-I 1571841;1479740784;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0vgoq/?raw=true 1571842;1479740795;asciilifeform;!!unrate kakobrekla 1571843;1479740797;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/pg32q/?raw=true 1571844;1479740837;asciilifeform;!!v B1BF8003C266C52D0E6DC6A23934E319AA442E196EF13AB71CD197818E7D36B3 1571845;1479740837;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated xmj. 1571846;1479740859;Framedragger;!!v 43755F6E0D0835E77B954BEAAC0470B159FBF960D48D2084B182FE18C40C33C0 1571847;1479740859;deedbot;Framedragger unrated pirateat40. 1571848;1479740860;asciilifeform;!!v 8F550C59FDD23656CEC6D949AA040416460111BFD7B9D9B2EA51C3EC9F77198C 1571849;1479740860;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated liquidassets. 1571850;1479740884;asciilifeform;!!v B34B58028ABEA83132B79847F9271B53461E7AE22861DBD65632347B9F3A86A8 1571851;1479740884;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated blazedout419. 1571852;1479740898;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571842 << so i take it you've made up your mind, or what. 1571853;1479740898;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 15:06 asciilifeform: !!unrate kakobrekla 1571854;1479740902;Framedragger;just curious. 1571855;1479740907;*;Framedragger bbl 1571856;1479740914;asciilifeform;!!v 3769980B0282A25042335E25C7771FE15C07060A37FBA842D6247469748FEBD2 1571857;1479740914;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated oleanie. 1571858;1479740937;asciilifeform;!!v E210DA6605B7973A38EE419D75F5F0D1F9E995F884C4770EC3086D17E5777499 1571859;1479740937;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated nubbins`. 1571860;1479740976;asciilifeform;!!v C3FF11B7806409D9317EFA0C439DCC7F8B231C598E43C3C2C7DCC42C1EF3CE6E 1571861;1479740976;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated mrottenkolber. 1571862;1479740998;asciilifeform;!!v BCD771A77975905502CC35D70780072174C8E3000896055352E09CF1B0579808 1571863;1479740998;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated moiety. 1571864;1479741021;asciilifeform;!!v B685E119BF6CCF95582C26B6F87378B1C2FF0A928DAEDCC3DE4C5473F8039794 1571865;1479741022;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated foofingers. 1571866;1479741044;asciilifeform;!!v 18599FB6891FD984BCF677793DE8F54A607E76790871A33C75606E3304E204BD 1571867;1479741044;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated felipelalli. 1571868;1479741067;asciilifeform;!!v A55878DFD3318FD73FBE700D393FC2BC358212282E628827961512BA5C902821 1571869;1479741067;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated Joshua-I. 1571870;1479741087;asciilifeform;!!v 190726C7F33D057F5F084F0BE58A453C1AC69B4C6E582A0FDF7AC76DB3549408 1571871;1479741088;deedbot;asciilifeform unrated kakobrekla. 1571872;1479741110;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 'made up mind' about what. d00d is confined to his own planet forever... 1571873;1479741228;Framedragger;asciilifeform: well, regarding whether a gpg contract was broken, and by whom. but i guess since he doesn't seem like being motivated to present his story in one take, instead of passive-aggressively reminding people of the story by hints, it's a bit derp. 1571874;1479741339;Framedragger;(ah, i guess i see what you mean by 'confined to his own planet'. unrating != negrating.) 1571875;1479741398;asciilifeform;in my mind, you oughta unrate those folx who there is no reasonable expectation of seeing again. 1571876;1479741417;asciilifeform;(other than by way of some joker getting hold of their key) 1571877;1479741443;Framedragger;that makes sense to me, i suppose. 1571878;1479741466;asciilifeform;the one case i can see for keeping 'corpses' around is if they have sigs, that still stand somewhere from your pov 1571879;1479741473;asciilifeform;which none of the above folx do. 1571880;1479741588;asciilifeform;imho one's wot ought to be kept, ideally, clear of 'who-the-fuck-is-that'-s. 1571881;1479741657;mircea_popescu;lettuce quote doctrine at the youth. 1571882;1479741734;mircea_popescu;"It is important to remember that the score associated to a relationship does not mark the direct trust of the scorer for the scoree, but merely the scorer's confidence that the information he has about scoree is correct, accurate, relevant and complete. All four. 1571883;1479741735;mircea_popescu;Let's also note that such a thing as "the direct trust" of X for Y can not even be noted down in the first place, it being entirely a subjective determination of X, and consequently wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen applies. " 1571884;1479741758;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/#footnote_4_53927 <\ 1571885;1479741854;Framedragger;hah, wittgenstein. 1571886;1479741859;asciilifeform;there is also the elementary fact that ratings take up space. 1571887;1479741963;*;Framedragger considers how accurate his information about mp is. the computation required is probably NP-complete, lol. 1571888;1479742023;shinohai;!!unrate naphex 1571889;1479742024;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/l02un/?raw=true 1571890;1479742027;Framedragger;maybe i'll get the opportunity to organize a party in the next 20 years. would be grand. 1571891;1479742055;shinohai;!!v 99DFD7D2987717996C40721EF93346B9CA1E07C7D462354048FAC676D5F116CE 1571892;1479742055;deedbot;shinohai unrated naphex. 1571893;1479742087;shinohai;!!rate trinque 3 deedbot.org, trb 1571894;1479742088;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/gjs0u/?raw=true 1571895;1479742175;shinohai;!!v BDF76E681DF822D787E29E0BCB0A11116F3697FD66F4EDB9F476234DC4A869BD 1571896;1479742175;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of trinque from 2 to 3 << deedbot.org, trb 1571897;1479742187;shinohai;Well done trinque 1571898;1479742232;trinque;still work to be done, but done soon. 1571899;1479742296;trinque;I'll have the page updates being fired via db trigger. I just don't do this "lets regenerate every page of this book every time the page is read" anymore. 1571900;1479742311;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571816 << betcha they're still 100% winblowz shop tho. 1571901;1479742311;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 14:33 mircea_popescu: and in other news nobody cares about, https://archive.is/lh93u << microsoft management in romania as well as various politicians etc arrested for graft and whatnot. 1571902;1479742359;asciilifeform;now, when they make installing winblowz (or for that matter 'africa', and crapple) on a crown comp a punishable offense -- Then! news. 1571903;1479742385;shinohai;I keep reading about this new Ubuntu-based distro Zorin OS ... an "alternative" to Windowze 10 1571904;1479742408;asciilifeform;africa. 1571905;1479742453;asciilifeform;'Не ходите в Африку, В Африку гулять! В Африке акулы, В Африке гориллы, В Африке большие. Злые крокодилы...' (tm) (r) (korney chukovsky) 1571906;1479742503;shinohai;Sharks in Africa? 1571907;1479742506;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571814 << yeah I'll change that. 1571908;1479742506;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 14:17 mircea_popescu: trinque dots should be stop chars though. i meant actual solid alphanum blocks not "blackmirror.nosedive.final" 1571909;1479742528;asciilifeform;( http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/barmaley-korney-ivanovich-chukovsky << engl. for the uncultured folk ) 1571910;1479742584;trinque;such elliotism, that what was "distro" is now OS. 1571911;1479742656;shinohai;I'd almost bet a Bitcoin that anond from #eulora will come in with it installed on his laptop next time he surfaces. 1571912;1479742666;asciilifeform;hey, it is so that now a genderfluid comment-patching fuckknowswhat can be 'os developer' 1571913;1479742673;thestringpuller;war on http >> https://security.googleblog.com/2016/09/moving-towards-more-secure-web.html 1571914;1479742727;asciilifeform;ahahaha yes. planned for quite some time. 'terrorists are refusing to run openssl crud. let's force'em' 1571915;1479744074;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i used to hold get togethers, we did iirc three. 1571916;1479744115;mircea_popescu;first one in 2013, so why didn;t you come! 1571917;1479744187;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571886 << and the even more elementary fact that ratings are an open invitation to be asked about x. which one may or may not want to offer. 1571918;1479744187;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 15:24 asciilifeform: there is also the elementary fact that ratings take up space. 1571919;1479744242;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571875 << -- >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568455 1571920;1479744242;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 15:16 asciilifeform: in my mind, you oughta unrate those folx who there is no reasonable expectation of seeing again. 1571921;1479744242;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 17:09 asciilifeform: very talkative corpse 1571922;1479744255;mircea_popescu;the wot is to be based on judgement about the past ; not on projections about the future. 1571923;1479744262;mircea_popescu;there's no escaping the causes not effects thing. 1571924;1479744350;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571887 << this is exactly why humans run the wot. there's no machinable replacement for answering this type of questions. this is no small matter, incidentally. 1571925;1479744350;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 15:26 Framedragger considers how accurate his information about mp is. the computation required is probably NP-complete, lol. 1571926;1479744548;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571777 << looks like it, i think it might be a bug with cl-irc, i'll look into it 1571927;1479744548;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 04:48 mircea_popescu: phf http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161120/#285 << missing from yours ? 1571928;1479744548;scriba;Logged on 2016-11-20: [19:36:42] ACTION tries to read bartle because people keep insisting. aside from his tiresome cabotinism (really bitch, mud1 is a major point of reference, because why, you never heard of rogue/nethack or what) he's about as sighted as a snail. 'cyberpunk teaches designers a number of valuable lessons about the sociology and psychology of players and the 1571929;1479744549;scriba;responsibilities of developers. virtual worlds are not insulated from the real world 1571930;1479744628;phf;also i've been mostly quite in the past two weeks, because i'm sick. i should be back to the regular schedule programming in a week or so 1571931;1479744639;mircea_popescu;a good dose of the clap ? 1571932;1479745117;*;asciilifeform misread as 'mp-complete' 1571933;1479745798;shinohai;!~later tell mod6 so after roughly 10 minutes, trb will accept a 8192 char string as label :D 1571934;1479745798;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1571935;1479745848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, there's a reason trilema has to be this fucking big. 1571936;1479746345;asciilifeform;shinohai: label?? 1571937;1479746578;shinohai;asciilifeform: yesterday we were curious if bounds checking was performed when importing a privkey 1571938;1479746709;asciilifeform;using what patch ? standard trb dun have import.. 1571939;1479746762;shinohai;working on a regrind of funkensteins privkey patch 1571940;1479746794;asciilifeform;aah 1571941;1479746808;mircea_popescu;nice and thorough huh. 1571942;1479746971;shinohai;It appears db4.8 doesn't really care how large the field is 1571943;1479747086;mircea_popescu;and in other migs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/66784611eb667ce113c960769ed9bf70/tumblr_mst7jwaORy1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1571944;1479747139;asciilifeform;lel rudder pedals 1571945;1479747154;mircea_popescu;rudder than rude! 1571946;1479747229;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/illustrated-tapenade/ << Trilema - Illustrated Tapenade 1571947;1479747707;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone play a lot of rogue / has friends/connections in the rogue/nethack community ? 1571948;1479747833;asciilifeform;there was a ~community~ ?! 1571949;1479747843;mircea_popescu;sure. 1571950;1479747867;mircea_popescu;at least a decade ago they kept track who ascended with what and when and etcetera. 1571951;1479747874;*;asciilifeform blew countless hours in childhood on these but never met'em as anything other than 1player msdos gamez 1571952;1479747890;asciilifeform;there was another, 'angband' 1571953;1479747891;mircea_popescu;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/mZ67We9gkjk/a23fqBHah6kJ <<< there 1571954;1479747971;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me that it's not just a good fit for eulora, but actually very wot and tmsr-like. 1571955;1479748140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there was a pretty cool dungeon crawler (demise) which i loved and always regretted they didn't properly implement it as a roguelike with gfx. 1571956;1479748183;mircea_popescu;david allen, 1995ish 1571957;1479748197;asciilifeform;i always wished for one of these rewritten with 'zzt monster zoo'-style graphics. 1571958;1479748229;mircea_popescu;lol! 1571959;1479748233;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqW3UHRF7qI << subj 1571960;1479748249;mircea_popescu;but nah, demise was advanced, actual paper dollies like the might and magic series. 1571961;1479748278;mircea_popescu;this is more like supaplex, ie flat 2d. 1571962;1479748305;Framedragger;there's dcss https://crawl.develz.org/ which you can play using webtiles, or via standalone executable with gfx (iirc), or via terminal / nethack-style. i haven't played a lot of it but it's nice. 1571963;1479748307;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPq3p-1czVU < like 1571964;1479748393;Framedragger;(watch live games e.g. http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-ktulu8bugs ) 1571965;1479748479;mircea_popescu;this wolf dude is an idiot. 1571966;1479748508;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW6rUNOcA1Y << much better thing. that is A MAP at the beginning. 1571967;1479748521;mircea_popescu;(if you teleport into solid walls you're fucked worse than death) 1571968;1479748633;mircea_popescu;it also displays what was wrong with it - fucking rings of magic. get teleport ring + death/fire rings, wipe it all. 1571969;1479749041;mircea_popescu;anyway, eulora dungeons are very likely to look a lot like demise's (except programatically generated). 1571970;1479750652;shinohai;http://archive.is/LuvMz "85% approval on carbonvote" Democracy in action!!!! 1571971;1479750694;*;shinohai loves the Ethereum casuistry 1571972;1479753532;mircea_popescu;lol moving to solidcoin ? 1571973;1479753907;BingoBoingo;https://web.archive.org/web/20130102185102/http://solidcoin.info/solidcoin-ready-for-bitcoin-collapse.php 1571974;1479753980;mircea_popescu;lol 1571975;1479754018;mircea_popescu;iirc first incarnation of loud imbecile with flock of followers who got publicly owned and moved to "proof of stake" as "solution" 1571976;1479754023;mircea_popescu;buterin is not even original. 1571977;1479755806;mircea_popescu;and in other "avert your eyes" horrors, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TN7rvPkG_M 1571978;1479756291;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/yeezus-cancels-us-tour-dates-after-backlash-against-his-support-for-trumpreich/ << Qntra - Yeezus Cancels US Tour Dates After Backlash Against His Support For Trumpreich 1571979;1479757031;mircea_popescu;lol kayne west is "white nationalist" nao ? poor jooz, so much to want, so little to get, so many mind pretzels to make! 1571980;1479757076;BingoBoingo;This is truly a great again time to be alive 1571981;1479757336;mircea_popescu;the alive is great again! 1571982;1479759351;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-noose, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q4/478 1571983;1479759373;asciilifeform;'At no point lower in the automatic update process is a cryptographic signature verified. The update server is trusted explicitly and implicitly by every WordPress website online ... They are aware of this issue, and have been for years...' 1571984;1479759416;asciilifeform;'The WordPress culture, for those who are not aware, prioritizes higher adoption rates over better security.' << gold. 1571985;1479759922;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/awful-offal-waffle-falafel/ << Trilema - Awful offal waffle falafel 1571986;1479760224;mircea_popescu;aha. 1571987;1479760413;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the gyn, http://68.media.tumblr.com/6b0ee64afff2c64d2733de8527378830/tumblr_mst7eqLoVV1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1571988;1479760793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw speaking of "i don't understand what this does therefore it's secure" - you know the rogue rnz ? 1571989;1479760823;mircea_popescu;https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rnz < 1571990;1479760851;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571947 << ever dabble with 'dwarf fortress'? 1571991;1479760851;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 17:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone play a lot of rogue / has friends/connections in the rogue/nethack community ? 1571992;1479760857;mircea_popescu;have not. 1571993;1479760875;ben_vulpes;i was a fan when i played vidya games 1571994;1479760895;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: good stuff! horribru UI (in terms of consistencies) iirc (long time ago) 1571995;1479760896;mircea_popescu;i think it was just in my blindspot. apparently everyone goes through a decade-ish of disinterest. 1571996;1479760897;ben_vulpes;rather deep crafting tree, roguelike + 4x 1571997;1479760915;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: ui? dwarf fortress? 1571998;1479760930;ben_vulpes;dwarf fortress is a game you play in spite of the game's best efforts to stop you 1571999;1479760945;mircea_popescu;sounds just like eulora. 1572000;1479760964;ben_vulpes;players wrote their own dwarf mgmt software because the builtin mgmt tools are famously inadequate 1572001;1479760971;mircea_popescu;eulora idem. 1572002;1479760984;ben_vulpes;one can even dig down to hell 1572003;1479760984;mircea_popescu;actually : current lead dev started life as frustrated eulora player who wrote a bot to automate the insanity. 1572004;1479761074;Framedragger;http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.34:Losing 1572005;1479761103;Framedragger;and in particular http://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/4/40/FunComic.png 1572006;1479761145;mircea_popescu;lol 1572007;1479761165;ben_vulpes;classic 1572008;1479761170;ben_vulpes;also in classic df: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Cacame_Awemedinade 1572009;1479761197;Framedragger;main df dev gave up pure math postdoc to focus on df full-time iirc 1572010;1479761201;mircea_popescu;i think you're all a bunch of pervs. 1572011;1479761287;mircea_popescu;oh this is the pixel thing. 1572012;1479761293;*;mircea_popescu saw collosus, remembers. 1572013;1479761295;mircea_popescu;i... didn't like it. 1572014;1479761313;ben_vulpes;you don't like anything! 1572015;1479761402;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, from this losing article, seems eulora castles are intended to work exactly like fortresses, ie, sooner or latter you'll prolly lose it. 1572016;1479761503;Framedragger;re. nethack, nice piece of trivia << http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wr973/?raw=true 1572017;1479762027;diana_coman;iirc I *did* mention dwarf fortress some time ago precisely because of some similarities; I think mircea_popescu left a message on their wiki/forum/whatevs but nothing/nobody materialised as a result 1572018;1479762260;Framedragger;lol, #dwarffortress on freenode has 185 folx 1572019;1479762270;Framedragger;if there's one thing they have is a fucking dedicated community 1572020;1479762334;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i vaguely recall this. 1572021;1479762354;diana_coman;my xp with the (very few) df players I know is that they are either so dedicated to df or so comfortable with it that they totally unavailable/unwilling to even looking at something else 1572022;1479762413;shinohai;Fucking Eulora ... I had a dream about exploring one night. 1572023;1479762416;diana_coman;they are* /to even consider looking* 1572024;1479762426;diana_coman;ahahaha; did you find a sizable at least? 1572025;1479762430;diana_coman;or some canines ... 1572026;1479762445;shinohai;Nope, just like irl I keep getting smalls xD 1572027;1479762457;mircea_popescu;lol 1572028;1479762460;mircea_popescu;what a girly complaint. 1572029;1479762503;shinohai;What can I say, the game likes punishing me for taking so long to jump on board. 1572030;1479762611;Framedragger;http://trilema.com/2016/awful-offal-waffle-falafel/#selection-57.0-61.337 << gold 1572031;1479762630;mircea_popescu;lol 1572032;1479763155;mircea_popescu;o look, bay12 (like minigame, but for dwarf fortress) does... monthly reports. 1572033;1479763376;Framedragger;that's mainly because the two brows live off of stable donations by their dedicated community, i think. :) but then the community has high expectations and are (in a wishy-washy) sense kinda-shareholders.. so yah, heh. 1572034;1479763432;mircea_popescu; ./libs/Dwarf_Fortress: 1: Syntax error: ")" unexpected << ahem 1572035;1479763471;Framedragger;codebase is a mess (and not open-sores'd) btw 1572036;1479763488;mircea_popescu;so basically they ship binaries which don't run and all the discussion is re df.exe 1572037;1479763518;Framedragger;oh. 1572038;1479763568;Framedragger;http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Installation#Linux ? 1572039;1479763585;mircea_popescu;bash: ./Dwarf_Fortress: cannot execute binary file 1572040;1479763588;mircea_popescu; /df_linux/libs$ ./Dwarf_Fortress 1572041;1479763607;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mismatched 'bitness' perhaps ? 1572042;1479763630;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: found it 1572043;1479763636;Framedragger;"This error means that you are using the 64-bit edition on a 32-bit system. 1572044;1479763638;Framedragger;" 1572045;1479763643;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform supposedly should run on both 1572046;1479763643;Framedragger;"Try downloading the 32-bit version from the All Versions tab on the Dwarf Fortress download page. " 1572047;1479763651;Framedragger;(http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Installation#Debian-based ) 1572048;1479763660;Framedragger;don't ask me why... :( 1572049;1479763667;mircea_popescu;Framedragger pretty sure the system is 64 bit but anyway 1572050;1479763673;Framedragger;blergh. 1572051;1479763690;mircea_popescu;maybe 32bit compatibility version, lessee 1572052;1479763737;Framedragger;s/brows/bros/ 1572053;1479763783;Framedragger;also dependencies, https://github.com/Lazy-Newb-Pack/Lazy-Newb-Pack-Linux#dependencies etc 1572054;1479763783;Framedragger;/me afk 1572055;1479763801;Framedragger;(oh that may be for the pack. sorry for spam.) 1572056;1479763817;Framedragger;(because there shouldnt be need for java iirc) 1572057;1479763856;mircea_popescu;meh, dies because doesn't have "shared" libraries which it needs but doesn't bundle. 1572058;1479763866;*;mircea_popescu aborts teh attempt. 1572059;1479763882;Framedragger;i know how you dislike 'shared libraries', but honestly this is standard practice, yknow. 1572060;1479763899;Framedragger;inb4 "standard practices can suck my dick" - fair, i guess 1572061;1479764275;mircea_popescu;well, standard whatever. i don't have it, they don't supply it, story ends neh ? 1572062;1479764305;mircea_popescu;can pick one of (deliver binaries, expect user to accomodate your library needs). not both. 1572063;1479765824;Framedragger;yeah, tbh sounds about right. 1572064;1479767220;asciilifeform;in very other noose >> https://archive.is/Ab20f << ron rivest -- now asset 1572065;1479767248;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wait, they're still not accepting the election results ? 1572066;1479767278;asciilifeform;'There are reasons for concern. According to the director of national intelligence, the leaked emails ... .... [buncha claptrap snipped] ... Russian hackers attacked ... A full manual recount of the paper records would be definitive, but that’s unnecessarily difficult, expensive and time-consuming ... There’s an easier way: an audit that manually examines a random sample of the ballots' 1572067;1479767285;asciilifeform;RANDOM sample, aha 1572068;1479767286;asciilifeform;gold. 1572069;1479767292;mircea_popescu;lol 1572070;1479767332;asciilifeform;shamir was coopted in '14 . why not also adleman? is the d00d dead or wut. 1572071;1479767434;BingoBoingo;In other socialist initiatives http://gomerblog.com/2016/11/hospital-morgue/ 1572072;1479767468;BingoBoingo;"Despite uneventful Q1 hour cold calorics, weekly MRIs, a record breaking 1,500-hour continuous EEG, and a clinical exam consistent with unquestionable brain death, the patient remained a ‘full code’ at the wishes of his power of attorney. The patient’s family insisted that he has “always been a fighter.”" 1572073;1479767521;BingoBoingo;“His PT/OT evaluation went from partial to full weight bearing on lower extremities now that his rigor mortis has fully set in,” 1572074;1479768171;asciilifeform;in other lulz, asciilifeform went for evening walk and found, on the ground, b00k purporting to be autobiography of karl rove, signed by same 1572075;1479769064;mircea_popescu;that place fucking specializes in talkative corpses 1572076;1479772003;asciilifeform;i have nfi if said corpse even spoke, or 'ghost' 1572077;1479772020;asciilifeform;b00k will go to the d00d who buys this crud from me 1572078;1479772069;asciilifeform;but i like to imagine that the thing ended up on the sidewalk for a reason... (probably thrown from window, vs from moving car, looks to be pretty clean) 1572079;1479773117;mats;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/20/turkey-advances-on-isis-capital-of-raqqa-as-us-bac 1572080;1479775456;mircea_popescu;loller 1572081;1479776786;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk lol so good 1572082;1479776820;mats;white people... 1572083;1479777117;mircea_popescu;the atlantic can't break 10k views anymore ? 1572084;1479777179;mats;i don't know anybody else that regularly reads the atlantic 1572085;1479777188;mircea_popescu;o, you do ? 1572086;1479777402;mats;ya, i like the print format 1572087;1479777459;mats;generally frontloads with foreign policy, bidness, then some fluff, tech, and the cover story somewhere towards the end 1572088;1479777515;mircea_popescu;i c 1572089;1479778663;mircea_popescu;Framedragger #nethack has like 300 btw. 1572090;1479779653;mats;https://www.rentec.com << heh, the spartan homepage reminds me of mpex 1572091;1479781481;mircea_popescu;!!up RodrigoBTCF 1572092;1479781481;deedbot;RodrigoBTCF voiced for 30 minutes. 1572093;1479782324;mircea_popescu;!!key RodrigoBTCF 1572094;1479782327;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/mwegw/?raw=true 1572095;1479782336;mircea_popescu;!!rate RodrigoBTCF 1 trader 1572096;1479782337;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/j0z2k/?raw=true 1572097;1479782389;mircea_popescu;!!v B534FE5C25B42DAE4DCFE536C7E60E13EA4D089DEE30A6409645885F0C6F866 1572098;1479782571;mircea_popescu;!!v B534FE5C25B42DAE4DCFE536C7E60E13EA4D089DEE30A6409645885F0C6F866C 1572099;1479782571;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated RodrigoBTCF 1 << trader 1572100;1479782725;mircea_popescu;!!up Joshua-I 1572101;1479782725;deedbot;Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes. 1572102;1479782731;Joshua-I;Thank you 1572103;1479782737;mircea_popescu;sure. 1572104;1479782815;Joshua-I;I'm believe gabe came by pitching masamune and you wanted to purchase? 1572105;1479782824;Joshua-I;I* 1572106;1479782852;mircea_popescu;you mean http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1570002 ? 1572107;1479782852;a111;Logged on 2016-11-18 21:20 mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so how about you hop in a plane and bring me a coupla ? i'll buy you a steak even! 1572108;1479782885;Joshua-I;Since the product has been validated I'll be working on making operations smoother 1572109;1479782896;RodrigoBTCF;It seems I can talk now :) 1572110;1479782907;mircea_popescu;Joshua-I it's utterly unclear who you are, again ? 1572111;1479782910;mircea_popescu;RodrigoBTCF cheers. 1572112;1479782916;RodrigoBTCF;Thanks. 1572113;1479782936;Joshua-I;mircea_popescu I work with gabe running the business side of things 1572114;1479782968;mircea_popescu;!!ratings Joshua-I 1572115;1479782968;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b187p/?raw=true 1572116;1479782984;mircea_popescu;it'd seem not 1572117;1479782987;Joshua-I;Seems my lone rating has disappeared 1572118;1479783007;mircea_popescu;so you work with a guy that hasn't rated you doing things. mkay ? 1572119;1479783041;Joshua-I;He has some issue or another using his key 1572120;1479783053;Joshua-I;I think it's scattered across 7 planets or something 1572121;1479783095;mircea_popescu;ok, but this dun help you any. 1572122;1479783136;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22rate%22+joshua-i << apparently you had a courtesy rating from asciilifeform back in the summer ; which he took off recently (iirc he did some cleaning out of stale ratings). 1572123;1479783156;Joshua-I;So you need an income of ratings, ok 1572124;1479783166;asciilifeform;aha. and in light of the 'coarse error of pilotage' seen here, i am not inclined to reinstate it 1572125;1479783176;mircea_popescu;well anyone can come in here and say he's working with anyone on anything. what's in a saying. 1572126;1479783208;Joshua-I;Hm ok 1572127;1479783339;Joshua-I;Well my visit doesn't have to be a complete waste, since I was just going to ask you what your preferred payment is 1572128;1479783354;Joshua-I;Input appreciated from anyone here really 1572129;1479783369;mircea_popescu;i'll take bitcoin. what am i getting paid for ? 1572130;1479783620;Joshua-I;Hm ok 1572131;1479784240;Joshua-I;Thanks for taking the time to give me your input. Have a good night 1572132;1479784430;RodrigoBTCF;Hi, Marcelo. 1572133;1479784484;RodrigoBTCF;!!ratings RodrigoBTCF 1572134;1479784484;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rhbk9/?raw=true 1572135;1479785342;RodrigoBTCF;Have a good night. Bye. 1572136;1479786879;asciilifeform;https://stuff.mit.edu/afs/sipb/project/eichin/common/perl/pkey << in other very very vintage lulz. 1572137;1479788291;mircea_popescu;ugh 1572138;1479788300;mircea_popescu;!!rate RodrigoBTCF 1 trader 1572139;1479788301;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/c06zc/?raw=true 1572140;1479788322;mircea_popescu;!!v 398B7E6FA2DCD3005CA5FBA10D23266444DD6918E7CA4FD121B379E35691387C 1572141;1479788322;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of RodrigoBTCF from 1 to 1 << trader 1572142;1479788335;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust RodrigoBTCF 1572143;1479788335;deedbot;L1: 1, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1572144;1479788343;mircea_popescu;trinque it has some delay or wut ? 1572145;1479788353;mircea_popescu;oh oh l1 ; nm me. 1572146;1479788371;mircea_popescu;!!ratings RodrigoBTCF 1572147;1479788372;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6epkr/?raw=true 1572148;1479788384;mircea_popescu;^ that coming out nil threw me. 1572149;1479788619;trinque;!!reputation RodrigoBTCF 1572150;1479788619;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/mw83l/?raw=true 1572151;1479788665;trinque;the !!ratings one is a bit unclear as to which direction 1572152;1479788698;trinque;short vs precise 1572153;1479788706;mircea_popescu;oh. 1572154;1479788715;mircea_popescu;gimme time, i'll learn this 1572155;1479795857;mats;https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sbhagava/papers/face-rec-ccs16.pdf 1572156;1479818968;trinque;phf: could I get a URL endpoint on btcbase.org/log which redirects to the first line spoken by a nick? 1572157;1479819225;trinque;not urgent; I recall you're sick. 1572158;1479820836;thestringpuller;mpex proxies rotating? >> http://archive.is/HYDXX << via link from qntra.net 1572159;1479820910;shinohai;'tis in the logs 1572160;1479822475;thestringpuller;thx 1572161;1479825509;mircea_popescu;and in random fuck this shit : if you're downloading a bunch of fonts and end up with a humongo pile of spurious folders because hey, people are special, the pill is find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -I file mv --backup=numbered file . (followed, probably, by for file in *; do mv "$file" `echo $file | tr ' ' '_'` ; done because special people are THAT FUCKING SPECIAL) 1572162;1479825566;mircea_popescu;my question at this point would be, PPL! Y SO SPECIAL! 1572163;1479825976;asciilifeform;speaking of the Profoundly Speshul: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q4/490 1572164;1479826028;shinohai;Signed, "A special deceitful shitbag" 1572165;1479826032;BingoBoingo;lol 1572166;1479826284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o look at that, i even ended up with a "RunMe.exe" 1572167;1479826287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform want it ? 1572168;1479826298;asciilifeform;ended up from where 1572169;1479826300;asciilifeform;and yes 1572170;1479826309;mircea_popescu;" if you're downloading a bunch of fonts and" 1572171;1479826361;mod6;mornin' 1572172;1479826403;shinohai;o/ mod6 1572173;1479826478;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4khqt/?raw=true served by http://all-free-download.com/font/download/level_fourteen_druid_font_5888_download.html 1572174;1479826624;asciilifeform;lol massive piece of shit, includes 'flash player' 1572175;1479826648;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572163 << i'm very much unsurprised. because http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/ 1572176;1479826648;a111;Logged on 2016-11-22 14:46 asciilifeform: speaking of the Profoundly Speshul: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q4/490 1572177;1479826654;mircea_popescu;they STILL haven't fixed the fucking hole. 1572178;1479826665;asciilifeform;'not bug, feature' 1572179;1479826714;mircea_popescu;the retarded boys and girls club. 1572180;1479826886;mircea_popescu;anyway, given the mechanics of the retarded user and of viral infection, i would suspect 100% of these download-things websites selectively scam their users. 1572181;1479826903;mircea_popescu;the economics are simply unavoidable, 1% is "undetectable" and also utterly sufficient. 1572182;1479826918;asciilifeform;incl. 'mainstreams', e.g., 'vlc player' 1572183;1479826930;mircea_popescu;so no, that slashdot, or softpedia, or whoever else was caught doing it is not some sort of exception. 1572184;1479826933;asciilifeform;(installs adware on crapple/winblows) 1572185;1479827008;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'd suspect this is actually the main entry intake for botnet chumpatron. 1572186;1479827042;asciilifeform;tor exits patching all exes coming through may be close 2nd place medalist 1572187;1479827055;asciilifeform;'drive-by' -- 3rd, bronze. 1572188;1479827055;mircea_popescu;"i use x thing because it worked fine before" is exactly how animals get infected after all. biologically i mean. 1572189;1479827250;asciilifeform;btw tactic of 'bundle stock flash player + dancing-lolcat-cum-exploit-for-same' is clever in the sense of avoiding whatever av 1572190;1479827266;mircea_popescu;it's even cleverer in how cheap it is. 1572191;1479827269;asciilifeform;matches 0 'driveby' heuristics because it is an exe; 1572192;1479827276;asciilifeform;matches 0 exe heuristics because it is stock 'flashplayer'. 1572193;1479827298;mircea_popescu;aha. and takes ~0 effort to put together. 1572194;1479827317;asciilifeform;very much. considering that there is no need at all to find fresh 0day, you can ship any flashplayer exe you like 1572195;1479827325;asciilifeform;can use decade-old, if you want. 1572196;1479827327;mircea_popescu;yup. 1572197;1479827351;mircea_popescu;well, some uppity av may warn about that, so best keep it in the past few years 1572198;1479827374;asciilifeform;few years, few months, same thing. 1572199;1479827395;mircea_popescu;so you know ... not piece of shit at all. fine piece of virusatronic engineering. 1572200;1479831624;asciilifeform;meanwhile in the circus, https://archive.is/vcQlA >> 'While President-elect Donald Trump has yet to denounce the alt-right by name, CNN's Chris Cuomo says he should. "It's about being a leader," Cuomo said on "New Day" Tuesday. "You denounce things that are wrong. That's what leaders do."' 1572201;1479831643;Framedragger;http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/5MB.jpg << avian transportation of 5 megabyte disk (~1965) (probably IBM 2311?) - i just like to imagine myself that the javascript "libraries" of a simplistic "modern" "website" alone often weigh more than that. ties into the whole website obesity crisis thread. 1572202;1479831645;Framedragger;just a nice reminder. 1572203;1479831651;asciilifeform;didjaknow, getting down on yer knees, ready to please, is 'what leaders do' aha 1572204;1479831683;Framedragger;s/imagine/remind/ 1572205;1479831696;asciilifeform;'"These people aren't kooks. They're a dangerous, racist, anti-Semitic group of people who are attacking the core values of America... [Trump] has an obligation to all Americans to stand up and denounce this group."' 1572206;1479831727;asciilifeform;Framedragger: when i read 'avian transportaion' i expected a pigeon 1572207;1479831735;asciilifeform;not 747. 1572208;1479831852;Framedragger;i thought about that rfc, too. mah english. 1572209;1479831983;trinque;this weird preoccupation with "say the words" seems like it came directly from protestant christianity. 1572210;1479832035;trinque;that being - as far as I can tell - the only belief of that sect. 1572211;1479832092;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-02#1561913 1572212;1479832092;a111;Logged on 2016-11-02 13:53 mircea_popescu: "gotta have taint! its how the world works!" 1572213;1479832168;asciilifeform;see also : https://archive.is/gp9At >> 'The event was held at the Northwest Washington restaurant Maggiano's which issued an apology Monday and told the Washington Post that it would donate $10,000 to the D.C. office of the Anti-Defamation League.' 1572214;1479832500;mircea_popescu;trinque aha. 1572215;1479832514;mircea_popescu;protestant fundamentalist conservatives masquerading as liberal progressives. 1572216;1479832564;mircea_popescu;!!up nosuchlabswww 1572217;1479832564;deedbot;nosuchlabswww voiced for 30 minutes. 1572218;1479832839;mircea_popescu;anyway, in actual lulz : trump (bannon) is actually making an alt-right party. 1572219;1479832863;asciilifeform;alt-alt 1572220;1479832931;asciilifeform;so alt that it, e.g., pardons clitler, supports keeping 'good' mexicans, etc. 1572221;1479833196;mircea_popescu;hey, he;s not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't. 1572222;1479833245;asciilifeform;why'd that be ? 1572223;1479833347;asciilifeform;( quasi-related historical q for cultured folk: do the lyrics to mega-teutonic-marvel 'Wenn das Judenblut vom Messer spritzt' actually exist on the net? or is whole item a fabrication..? ) 1572224;1479833349;shinohai;Did RodrigoBTC spend all his coin on vuvuzela and has none left for bouncer? 1572225;1479833570;Framedragger;!#s tmsr bouncer 1572226;1479833571;a111;0 results for "tmsr bouncer", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tmsr%20bouncer 1572227;1479833618;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean heckerlied ? 1572228;1479833640;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: standard heckerlied does not appear to contain the magic phrase. 1572229;1479833642;mircea_popescu;"Wenn der Sturmsoldat ins Feuer geht, ei, dann hat er frohen Mut, / und wenn’s Judenblut vom Messer spritzt, dann gehts nochmal so gut" etc ? 1572230;1479833651;asciilifeform;aha, it is refrain 1572231;1479833652;asciilifeform;but from where. 1572232;1479833657;mircea_popescu;heckerlied! 1572233;1479833661;asciilifeform;link? 1572234;1479833689;mircea_popescu;Eine antisemitische Variante, die sich später über ganz Deutschland verbreiten sollte, kam vermutlich im März 1921 bei Freikorps auf, die beim Aufstand in Oberschlesien kämpften und bei denen ein besonders roher Pogrom-Antisemitismus herrschte. In den späteren Jahren der Weimarer Republik ist als Refrain diese antijüdische Version mit Textteilen des bekannten „Sturmsoldaten“-Liedes, einer zeitgenössischen Soldatenl 1572235;1479833690;mircea_popescu;ied-Umdichtung rechtsradikaler Verbände („Wenn der Sturmsoldat ins Feuer geht, ei, dann hat er frohen Mut, / und wenn’s Judenblut vom Messer spritzt, dann gehts nochmal so gut“), gesungen worden – so auch von der SA zur Feier des 30. Januar 1933. Mit der Entmachtung der SA und den geänderten innenpolitischen Interessen der NS-Führung dürfte auch das Absingen der antisemitischen Heckerlied-Variante seltener geworde 1572236;1479833690;mircea_popescu;n sein. 1572237;1479833692;mircea_popescu;there. 1572238;1479833700;asciilifeform;classic heckerlied is from 1848 events neh? 1572239;1479833702;mircea_popescu;(de.wiki) 1572240;1479833704;mircea_popescu;yes. 1572241;1479833713;mircea_popescu;people do rewrite their own songs, like i do all the time on trilema etc. 1572242;1479833736;asciilifeform;well yes. was hoping to find whole picture of the variant. 1572243;1479833766;mircea_popescu;there's tons of them, the commies had one too, something with guillotine. 1572244;1479833773;asciilifeform;that one i recall. 1572245;1479833787;mircea_popescu;ah there, Schmier die Guillotine, schmier die Guillotine, schmier die Guillotine Mit Tyrannenfett. 1572246;1479833923;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ADewg << the guillotine variant, with translations 1572247;1479834077;mircea_popescu;meanwhile back at the ranch, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3mUWKCjFE 1572248;1479834320;asciilifeform;l0l!! they had mircea_popescus in de 1572249;1479834328;mircea_popescu;also 1850s 1572250;1479834440;*;mircea_popescu is half-considering actually paying someone who isn't fucking christoph holzhofer to sing this thing. with a manly voice and proper arrangement not whatever the fuck that beseeching woody allen-wannabe voice + pothead "feminist" guitar drang. 1572251;1479834460;mircea_popescu;do we know anyone with a voice AND his balls ? 1572252;1479834476;asciilifeform;possibly BingoBoingo ? 1572253;1479834484;mircea_popescu;he can sing ? 1572254;1479834494;asciilifeform;probably 1572255;1479834500;mircea_popescu;in german ?! 1572256;1479834514;asciilifeform;'can you play this stradivari?' 'dunno, never tried yet' 1572257;1479834524;mircea_popescu;prolly best internet brownie points if sung in a very idish-y german, come to think of it. 1572258;1479834541;asciilifeform;maybe pete_dushenski then 1572259;1479834560;mircea_popescu;ideally someone who did trash metal for a decade. 1572260;1479834572;mircea_popescu;while smoking. 1572261;1479834607;asciilifeform;write to 'funker vogt' then... 1572262;1479834629;asciilifeform;i cannot picture this piece in anything but their lead's voice, must confess 1572263;1479834674;mircea_popescu;see http://funker-vogt.com 1572264;1479834689;mircea_popescu;and their german site redirects to facebook 1572265;1479834693;mircea_popescu;lord have mercy... 1572266;1479834696;asciilifeform;i had nfi they even had this 1572267;1479834722;asciilifeform;http://www.funkervogt.com << seems to work 1572268;1479834727;*;mircea_popescu puts an intel ticket in but has little hope. 1572269;1479835151;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i know a girl who could do it in a pretty lone voice. s/trash metal/some metal and lots of punk/, smoking included, good german, can sing. unless you insist on male voice.. 1572270;1479835180;Framedragger;dunno why i said 'lone'. 'nice'. 1572271;1479835182;mircea_popescu;i don't insist. can i hear her ? 1572272;1479835210;Framedragger;i'm certain she's recorded herself (not a professional singer, mind), i'll ask. 1572273;1479835216;mircea_popescu;works. 1572274;1479835239;Framedragger;(may take a while for her to get back to me, so don't have super high hopes - will let you know either way tho!) 1572275;1479835256;mircea_popescu;hey, this entire thing is constructed on "try but don't depend" 1572276;1479835264;hanbot;asciilifeform> write to 'funker vogt' then... << why not wumpscut too lol 1572277;1479835300;asciilifeform;hanbot: & ramstein ! 1572278;1479835311;mircea_popescu;anyway if this works eulora will have a sound. 1572279;1479835374;Framedragger;haha, cool! 1572280;1479835487;*;Framedragger sent query 1572281;1479835536;mircea_popescu;o wow check it out, i actually got an email for funkervogt! 1572282;1479835549;*;mircea_popescu will send a bunch of commission requests in a bit. 1572283;1479835780;mircea_popescu;the sheer antitextuality of somebody playing kampchen's stuff STRAIGHT is worth it just for itself. 1572284;1479835986;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/VJjkr << re earlier thread. 1572285;1479836099;mircea_popescu;uh never heard of this guy, what "carefully crafted face of the so-called alt-right" ? 1572286;1479836109;asciilifeform;me neither. 1572287;1479836115;mircea_popescu;dun tell me, let me guess, the jews are going to tell everyone what's what as part of everyone's effort to get rid of them ? 1572288;1479836116;asciilifeform;papier-mache hitler. 1572289;1479836155;mircea_popescu;"more than 30 protesters" dude what ?! 1572290;1479836284;trinque;http://www.dvdizzy.com/images/p/theproducers-03.jpg << nazi standard issue chin. it checks out. 1572291;1479836314;mircea_popescu;which one ? 1572292;1479836375;trinque;dead center 1572293;1479836394;mircea_popescu;a 1572294;1479836400;trinque;if that's not the connection, I'm out of ideas 1572295;1479836474;mircea_popescu;somebody with a lot more time than sense should probably make a libertardwiki, explaining all the things that ARE TRUE!!! such as you know, the nazis were this historical group of white men who didn't believe global warming is caused by internet trolls. 1572296;1479836494;mircea_popescu;and violated safe spaces. 1572297;1479836565;mircea_popescu;holy shit, wikis rot the brain. check out this doozy from nethackwiki.com : "If attempting to gain experience levels, blessing potions of gain level before drinking them makes more sense earlier in the game than later, because at high levels the number of experience points needed to level up through normal adventuring is so high that it's rarely done. At higher experience levels, the number of XP between levels is so huge tha 1572298;1479836565;mircea_popescu;t there is little point in blessing a potion before quaffing, because it's likely the only way you will level up is via potions and wraith corpses. For example, a 5th level character who drinks an uncursed potion would be set to 6th level at 320 XP, versus 480 with a blessed potion. The difference to reach 7th level is 320 (if uncursed was drunk) vs 160 (if blessed was drunk) which is an attainable goal. On the other hand, ab 1572299;1479836566;mircea_popescu;ove the teens the character is often looking at the difference between 500,000 and 1,000,000 XP, neither of which are likely to be realized through normal adventuring, so blessing the potion makes little difference." 1572300;1479836585;mircea_popescu;how the everloving fuck can someone write THAT rather than "DO NOT quaff level pots at low level" ? it makes no fucking sense whatsoever. 1572301;1479836600;mircea_popescu;"oh but we are dedicated to not telling people what to do" "and your mother's a whore." 1572302;1479836832;diana_coman;that sounds to me like the perfect expression of monkey-brain: no instantly visible result means not worth doing 1572303;1479836843;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk << who could've predicted the flamboyant voice on this... heh, I dub them alt-boys. 1572304;1479836880;mircea_popescu;diana_coman the problem is that if indeed the later level half-sh reward is not worth getting, THEN therefore the early level full level reward is also not worth getting. 1572305;1479836914;asciilifeform;monkey never read knuth, but runs 'greedy algorithm' 1572306;1479836918;mircea_popescu;trinque maaan... that's pathetic. 1572307;1479836921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform EXACTLY! 1572308;1479836925;mircea_popescu;fucking insult to culture. 1572309;1479836941;trinque;but... mehhhhhm! 1572310;1479836951;mircea_popescu;trinque he also sounds jewish. 1572311;1479836985;trinque;wouldn't be pomo enough otherwise 1572312;1479836985;asciilifeform;btw i once went to an 'alt-right' thing in dc. (with herr handle & co.!) -- and iirc literally everybody in the room was some form of j000 1572313;1479837017;mircea_popescu;i think it must be blindness throuhg immersion (and a healthy dose of phonetics innocence, obv.) 1572314;1479837047;mircea_popescu;but anyway, to anyone who's not-them the whole thing is intrinsically self-critting 1572315;1479837203;diana_coman;monkey-brain -> NOTHING beyond "instantly visible" 1572316;1479837455;asciilifeform;greedy algo ~worx~. but it leads to the question of what the 'thinker' needs all of those extra neurons for. a dozen would suffice. 1572317;1479837697;trinque;maybe someday the right zika gets rid of them. 1572318;1479838027;asciilifeform;trinque: afaik it ~produces~ them.. 1572319;1479838040;asciilifeform;the liberasts' wet dream. 1572320;1479838155;trinque;meant the neurons; seems to me the right virus would yes, make the perfect creatures of idiocracy 1572321;1479843169;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://evilzone.org/index.php?page=forum&sub=thread&thread=4089 1572322;1479843183;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/5d0u2 ) 1572323;1479843243;shinohai;lol dat name 1572324;1479843399;trinque;.... so that's "covertress" ? 1572325;1479843482;asciilifeform;i have nfi, could be that both were named for same tv character or the like. 1572326;1479843530;shinohai;covertress died cryptographic death, no longer has original keyz 1572327;1479843615;asciilifeform;that's just cryptographic lost-at-sea 1572328;1479843630;asciilifeform;(proper death is when privkey is blown publicly) 1572329;1479843655;asciilifeform;not that the distinction is interesting in the given case. 1572330;1479843713;shinohai;I'm not entirely unsure this won't be the case in future, since last time I checked she had started using keybase.io 1572331;1479843734;shinohai;"Your privkey is totally safe with us!" 1572332;1479843817;Framedragger;(i don't think keybase gets to see your privkey tho.) 1572333;1479843829;asciilifeform;Framedragger: sure as hell it does 1572334;1479843844;asciilifeform;(in one variant; always; in another - whenever they feel like serving up slightly different js to the chump) 1572335;1479843862;Framedragger;hm. 1572336;1479843867;Framedragger;if true, wow 1572337;1479843903;Framedragger;asciilifeform: what do you mean, "slightly different js"? is there any point in time where you need to entrust your privkey to local js? i thought it was just a matter of giving it pubkeys and sigs? 1572338;1479843923;trinque;she was clearly part of some inclusive ft meade hiring program 1572339;1479843926;Framedragger;i've stayed away from keybase as it had that creepy (and useless) hipsta vibe, but if true, then it's actively malicious. 1572340;1479843931;Framedragger;just curious. 1572341;1479843941;trinque;go infiltrate teh hax0rs with your middle aged woman charms 1572342;1479843987;asciilifeform;Framedragger: point is that wwwtronic crapolade can introduce arbitrary disjunction between what luser is doing and what he thinks he is doing. 1572343;1479844040;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i'm not disagreeing, and of course that's true. but it's still one thing to trust js which, say, generates privkey for you and then promises not to send it the server, "pinky promise" like, and another whereby you paste signatures from external program 1572344;1479844061;Framedragger;but if it has a "luzer friendly mode" where "you don't need to external app yo", then that's bad by itself. :/ 1572345;1479844082;asciilifeform;Framedragger: why would a user who is able to 'paste signatures from external program' need a thing like keybase ? 1572346;1479844086;trinque;machine is labeled "dick blender" whether you fuck it or not 1572347;1479844127;Framedragger;it says "add or create a PGP key" when registered. heh. 1572348;1479844158;Framedragger;asciilifeform: well, you can link your social accounts, and stuff. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S NOT STUPID, but there's additional value 1572349;1479844159;asciilifeform;'upload your privkey, or let us make a very very speshul one FOR YOU!' 1572350;1479844181;trinque;Framedragger: what the fuck does that do 1572351;1479844194;Framedragger;also, something about a virtual folder for sharing data with friends whose pgp keys you have? you just do echo "attack at dawn" > /something/friendname/secret.txt 1572352;1479844203;Framedragger;not upload. jesus. 1572353;1479844212;Framedragger;anyway. i'm not using keybase. i'm just sayin'. 1572354;1479844218;trinque;you're saying what, exactly? 1572355;1479844224;trinque;"but anyway?" ? 1572356;1479844251;Framedragger;trinque: well, you then submit "proofs" (say tweets) which you can open to actually confirm a pgp signed message saying that "@isuckballs is my (gpg id: ...) twitter account." 1572357;1479844267;Framedragger;trinque: that you can use it without having to trust js not to upload your privkey. 1572358;1479844271;asciilifeform;pray tell, what does this 'prove' and to whom ? 1572359;1479844274;trinque;use to what?! 1572360;1479844283;Framedragger;ugh, no i need to be an advocate of keybase. 1572361;1479844290;Framedragger;now* 1572362;1479844323;trinque;look, that something "does something" and that being useful to the person doing are distinct 1572363;1479844344;trinque;I roger verified my twitter and now twitter can't tweet as me? 1572364;1479844357;Framedragger;look, obviously there are people for whom sociul media accountz are really important. some of them want to pretend they can use crypto, so they use keybase to help them "link" their accounts. while this is inane, this does not, in itself, pose a security risk, if done properly (with external program which handles your privkey.) 1572365;1479844361;trinque;or did I just rub the pgp sauce on my twitter because it evokes a special feeling in my empty loins 1572366;1479844395;trinque;the point is cozying people up to the idea of 3rd party facilitated crypto over time 1572367;1479844407;trinque;and if they don't get your privkey today, they get it tomorrow 1572368;1479844413;Framedragger;trinque: well, there's that. not gonna argue with that. i suppose you're right. 1572369;1479844418;Framedragger;hmh. 1572370;1479844420;Framedragger;okay, maybe. 1572371;1479844481;Framedragger;i just don't like characterizations. (inb4 "but you don't defend when tmsr is characterised!1" << well, haven't seen much of the latter so far.) 1572372;1479844487;Framedragger;*mischaracterizations. 1572373;1479844500;Framedragger;*mischaracterized. sorry. 1572374;1479844665;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: girl came back to me saying she doesn't want to do it, doesn't feel confident enough. "maybe later". owell. 1572375;1479844696;Framedragger;she said she tried recording herself sing schubert and it sounded horrible for her. :( 1572376;1479844736;mircea_popescu;aha. 1572377;1479844842;Framedragger;https://www.patreon.com/user?u=4026664 << "Evilzone - Hacking and Security Network is creating security awareness". pay with paypal to support! gold 1572378;1479844871;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is also full of cribbed likbez material. 1572379;1479844921;Framedragger;asciilifeform: what, evilzone? i see 1572380;1479844967;asciilifeform;Framedragger: in as far as i can tell, it is a very ordinary trap for the wotless/unwary/eager young'uns, 'alt-right'-style. 1572381;1479845066;Framedragger;interesting. 1572382;1479845386;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no, there aren't people to whom their social media accounts are really important, because there aren't people so that the "their" attribute may be applied to twitter's page. 1572383;1479845404;mircea_popescu;you understand how logic works, yes, once you have a true->false in the chain you can obtain any results. 1572384;1479845479;mircea_popescu;you might as well say "there are squares whose radii are larger than five". while arbitrary sized squares may in fact be constructed, squares still don't have radii and so you're still not saying something. 1572385;1479845505;mircea_popescu;and yes i'm aware that there exist geometric figures which do have radii. this isn't germane. 1572386;1479845525;asciilifeform;http://downdetector.com/status/google << in other lulz, guess who has dns outage today 1572387;1479845687;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sure, logical explosion, though yeah that usually requires both attribute-holders to exist, if you're claiming one of them doesn't, then it's just a nonsensical statement. which i guess is your point... i suppose so. 1572388;1479845803;mircea_popescu;it is my point. 1572389;1479845902;mircea_popescu;so yes, for the people to whom "their" twitter's page is important, then "their" keybase key makes sense. and for the same money, for the people who breathe underwater, land respiratorial equipment is a must get. and for the people who are healed by collodial silver/prayer/psychic surgery etc, collodial silver/prayer/psychic surgery etc are useful. 1572390;1479846046;trinque;http://archive.is/xSf35 << Pressed on whether he had definitively ruled out a prosecution of Mrs. Clinton, he said, “It’s just not something that I feel very strongly about.” 1572391;1479846048;trinque;ahaha 1572392;1479846061;*;trinque can hear Alex Jones screaming from here 1572393;1479846132;mircea_popescu;lol 1572394;1479846500;asciilifeform;'Mr. Trump denied that his campaign had energized the so-called alt-right movement, saying he disavowed it. “It’s not a group I want to energize,” he said. “And if they are energized, I want to look into it and find out why.”' 1572395;1479846516;mircea_popescu;lol 1572396;1479846524;asciilifeform;( from trinque's link ) 1572397;1479846581;asciilifeform;'When Mr. Trump was asked whether he condemned an alt-right conference over the weekend in Washington, where some attendees raised their arms in a Hitler-like salute, he said, “I disavow and condemn them.”' 1572398;1479846719;asciilifeform;''He did tell me what he thought were the biggest problems, in particular one problem," Trump says. Won't say what that was.' << mega-lul 1572399;1479847021;trinque;http://archive.is/q6qkI << meanwhile pedo-pizza thing is being psyopped into a "fake news" meme 1572400;1479847044;trinque;that's it, 2016 tied up with a bow, nice and clean. 1572401;1479847051;*;trinque yawns 1572402;1479847113;trinque;I guess the gay nazis will have plenty of conference fodder 1572403;1479847357;asciilifeform;the photos of 'victim kidz' added to the mix is same gambit as when the 'martians did it' folx were turned loose upon '9/11 truth'. 1572404;1479847371;asciilifeform;aka crankbait. 1572405;1479847389;asciilifeform;or, if you like, discreditation-spray. 1572406;1479847389;mircea_popescu;hey, the one thing fly empire doesn't lack is flies. 1572407;1479850641;asciilifeform;!~later tell davout is your www down ? 1572408;1479850641;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1572409;1479854610;asciilifeform;trinque: the 'fake newz' crapolade is being quite purposefully and deliberately drummed up, 'anything without the magic blue authenticity logo is FAEK' or the like. 1572410;1479854635;asciilifeform;trinque: nyt et all are transitioning to a very explicit 'pravda' model. 1572411;1479854694;asciilifeform;i will be surprised if before the end of '17 'google chrome' and similar do not yet warn 'THIS NEWS SITE MAY BE FAEK', sorta how it now is beginning to do for ssl abstainers 1572412;1479858961;mircea_popescu;and like the rest of their measures to date, this latest attempt to lift the rock with the rotten reed will result in more damage to the rotten reed. 1572413;1479858975;mircea_popescu;"this news site may be faek" hurts google a lot more than it hurts qntra. 1572414;1479859031;mircea_popescu;anyway, seeing how nowadays wikipedia refuses to serve over http (for no fucking reason whatsoever, who the shit cares already!), an entreprising fellow may simply bridge their content over to http 1572415;1479859045;mircea_popescu;they'd of course discover nobody cares about wikipedia, but still - who thinks otherwise, there's your angle. 1572416;1479859105;asciilifeform;there is already a tall pile of otherwise unremarkable sites that won't display in latest Official version of any ssltronic browser on account of 'obsolete protocol' or wtf. 1572417;1479859178;shinohai;progress. 1572418;1479859393;mircea_popescu;well nobody forces you to use ssl. 1572419;1479859394;asciilifeform;the 'fake newz', 'this site MAY HARM YOUR COMPUTER!1111', etc. are simply part of the inexorable march to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 . 1572420;1479859717;mircea_popescu;if only that shit worked, what a wonderful world would it be. 1572421;1479860107;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/uc78F << in related lulz. 1572422;1479862759;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2944...7291 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.226.172.170 (ssh-rsa key from 109.226.172.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1572423;1479863083;jurov;http://fedscoop.com/hurd-crypto-debate-should-end << not the gnu hurd but some member 1572424;1479863160;asciilifeform;jurov: i get a black screen 1572425;1479863162;asciilifeform;but https://archive.is/xSlhy loads. 1572426;1479863177;jurov;too many hoops jumping in thinking there to cite anything 1572427;1479863383;trinque;I read it, dunno why I did 1572428;1479863390;trinque;"yes we can" over and over 1572429;1479863432;jurov;it felt like dude has disconnected hemispheres or something 1572430;1479863503;jurov;!up RodrigoBTCF 1572431;1479863517;asciilifeform;!!up RodrigoBTCF 1572432;1479863517;deedbot;RodrigoBTCF voiced for 30 minutes. 1572433;1479863523;RodrigoBTCF;Thanks, Jurov. 1572434;1479863528;RodrigoBTCF;I will authenticate in a second 1572435;1479863592;jurov;RodrigoBTCF: asciilifeform did it 1572436;1479863626;mircea_popescu;it's an uppers party! 1572437;1479863638;asciilifeform;jurov: the knobs are at http://bots.contravex.com (to which asciilifeform will admit he must refer to regularly, the two-char syntaxes are terrible imho ) 1572438;1479863651;RodrigoBTCF;Ready 1572439;1479863686;shinohai; The bickening III 1572440;1479863810;mircea_popescu;just scroll it on a dedicated lcd :D 1572441;1479863846;trinque;even if we were doing deedbot: !!up guy people would moan about how they don't remember which bot does what 1572442;1479863854;asciilifeform;it'll end up on dedicated chalkboard 1572443;1479863867;trinque;or rather deedbot: up guy 1572444;1479863917;trinque;inb4 bot semantic web 1572445;1479864472;Framedragger;!%pp 1572446;1479864474;tb0t;Projects: UCI | t | trb | v 1572447;1479864488;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << i'ma have to make the factors clickable eventually. because this is mega-uninformative. 1572448;1479864494;Framedragger;!%p t 1572449;1479864496;tb0t;[!%p|!%print] 1572450;1479864511;asciilifeform;(if it isn't obvious, the thing exists INSIDE some other mod) 1572451;1479864514;Framedragger;!%print t 1572452;1479864516;tb0t;[!%p|!%print] 1572453;1479864530;Framedragger;!%pc 1572454;1479864532;tb0t;Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT 1572455;1479864554;Framedragger;"i see" http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/234/739/fa5.jpg 1572456;1479864609;Framedragger;phf: http://btcbase.org/patches/ says 301 -> http://btcbase.org/patches/NIL , the latter as appropriate to nil i guess 404's 1572457;1479864629;Framedragger;!#s view tickets 1572458;1479864630;a111;2 results for "view tickets", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=view%20tickets 1572459;1479864714;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-14#1298920 << just curious if anyone has been looking into this? trying to wrap my head around stuff-that-is-being-worked on :) 1572460;1479864714;a111;Logged on 2015-10-14 20:13 asciilifeform: the - presently nameless - pgptron - is simply an emulator for a very simple but imaginary computer which performs arbitrary arithmetic on bignums. 1572461;1479864752;Framedragger;(there's probably been some further design work? and then asciilifeform probably has something written down, i imagine) 1572462;1479864793;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is actually largely done. but unreleased, will come after FUCKGOATS 1572463;1479864802;Framedragger;!#s fuckgoats 1572464;1479864802;a111;5 results for "fuckgoats", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fuckgoats 1572465;1479864815;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it had working title 'P'. think 'rpn calculator' and you -- mostly -- have it. 1572466;1479864828;Framedragger;ahh. s.nsa; my god you people 1572467;1479864832;mod6;Framedragger: are you trying to view a ticket for trb? 1572468;1479864855;Framedragger;mod6: tbh am just fiddling around. i wanted a list of all tickets, and to be able to view every ticket separately, if that's even applicable 1572469;1479864863;mod6;it won't do that, because, spam. 1572470;1479864865;Framedragger;also i don't remember where on the web i can view this, if anywhere 1572471;1479864872;Framedragger;right, fair enough! 1572472;1479864883;mod6;if you wanna see all the tickets: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ take a look in there. 1572473;1479864885;Framedragger;yeah i should PRIVMSG it anyway, i guess. 1572474;1479864891;Framedragger;mod6: ah! ty! 1572475;1479864908;mod6;i'm actually making a database currently for a possible private version in the future. 1572476;1479864926;mod6;im tinkering with the database tables now actually. 1572477;1479864928;asciilifeform;paaaaaaaatience folx 1572478;1479864934;mod6;%p trb 1 1572479;1479864939;mod6;christ. 1572480;1479864943;mod6;!%p trb 1 1572481;1479864945;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 1, Type: D, Subject: Wallet counts change amounts in total balance, Antecedents: , Notes: It has been wildly reported that version 0.5.4 (99999) of the Reference Implementation adds change from a given transaction to the wallet balance. 1572482;1479864970;Framedragger;cool stuff. 1572483;1479864999;mod6;anyway, trb takes my top efforts, but i'll fit this new t stuff in when I can for sure. 1572484;1479865031;Framedragger;i'm mostly just lost between all the different pieces of the republican infrastructure :) 1572485;1479865073;Framedragger;(which reminds me that i hinted of consolidating what i myself find into a wiki, which would be useful for folks, and never did that...) 1572486;1479865077;Framedragger;at* 1572487;1479865105;mircea_popescu;lol 1572488;1479865166;Framedragger;asciilifeform: but pgp key itself would supply ciphers, right? yeah, cool stuff / makes sense. 1572489;1479865168;*;Framedragger sleeps for now 1572490;1479865206;mod6;ni ni 1572491;1479865395;asciilifeform;Framedragger: well, pubkey, not 'pgp key'. but yes. 1572492;1479865424;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there was a long thread, somewhere in the logz it sits. 1572493;1479865434;shinohai;What the hell is a PoC? https://twitter.com/SarahJamieLewis/status/801212011996557312 1572494;1479865449;shinohai;person of color I suppose? 1572495;1479865450;mircea_popescu;proof of cunt 1572496;1479865504;shinohai;If you aren't queer or whatever I guess you can't write and get paid for them. 1572497;1479866082;asciilifeform;re 'proof of cunt', one inescapably wonders why this important organ escaped the 'biometrics' craze 1572498;1479866091;asciilifeform;where is that legend of legends, the cuntprint reader. 1572499;1479866114;asciilifeform;the PoC-operated doorway. etc 1572500;1479866258;phf;Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed 1572501;1479866392;phf;all the sbcl friendly patching that i did in september was done on the server, live, under fire, so right now i'm just slowly retroactively vpatching the code, at which point i can move onto the outstanding issues 1572502;1479866431;asciilifeform;i have nfi what specifically phf did to his logtron, but it mostly worx now!! 1572503;1479866460;asciilifeform;( at one point asciilifeform was convinced that phf must be running his logtron on winblowz 98 or similar ! ) 1572504;1479866473;trinque;lel 1572505;1479866478;trinque;such compliment 1572506;1479866494;asciilifeform;but that was then !! 1572507;1479866599;trinque;phf: can has way of linking first spoken line of a nick? 1572508;1479866601;phf;it got stable as soon as i stopped worrying about it 1572509;1479866624;trinque;that's what I did with deedbot; forgot about it and the gods favored me. 1572510;1479866639;asciilifeform;trinque, phf: iirc the ancient logz are not yet in..? 1572511;1479866660;asciilifeform;(so it'd then show inaccurate 'first spoke's) 1572512;1479866682;trinque;still would be right endpoint that eventually would be honest? 1572513;1479866925;mircea_popescu;yes but you prolly don't actually want it before he does the import 1572514;1479866986;phf;asciilifeform: that's the first task after i vpatch the code. i basically started doing that on live server, got as far as loading the logs into memory, and realize that i can't change what's there without testing it, which means i need to backport everything into my dev environment. blah blah blah 1572515;1479867067;phf;trinque: how's the interface supposed to look? /log-first-message?nick=foo and it gives you html rendering? or text/plain in kako format? or? 1572516;1479867126;trinque;a guy clicks a link on the wot browser and he's kicked to a page which highlights the message. 1572517;1479867149;trinque;so day page plus the anchor link which identifies the line 1572518;1479867159;phf;oh oh 1572519;1479867170;trinque;select * from log order by created at limit 1 1572520;1479867717;phf;trinque: http://btcbase.org/log-first-post?nick=trinque 1572521;1479867733;trinque;nice! 1572522;1479867752;trinque;where are these ancient logs, anyway? 1572523;1479867763;phf;in logs 1572524;1479867808;*;trinque trips on an enso 1572525;1479867844;phf;i think it's http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-02#1444829 1572526;1479867844;a111;Logged on 2016-04-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: in other news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt.tar.gz 1572527;1479867864;trinque;in completely other lol, apparently the ppc macs have a vestigial serial port 1572528;1479867915;trinque;phf: so like, import them, man. 1572529;1479868002;*;trinque thinks the serial diode as described by asciilifeform is appropriate for deedbot wallet. 1572530;1479868062;trinque;thing can barf gpg'd OTP one direction, can receive OTP from another 1572531;1479868168;trinque;lest anyone thing I'm tipping my hand, I don't think the thing can work at all unless the mechanism by which it works can be made public. 1572532;1479868493;mircea_popescu;certainly open internals is the golden standard for safety machinery. 1572533;1479870715;BingoBoingo; probably << For some definitions thereof. Do have the smoking thing. 1572534;1479871145;mats;https://ramtin-amin.fr/#nvmepcie 1572535;1479872646;asciilifeform;mats: pretty neat 1572536;1479872662;asciilifeform;lel re how they stuffed entire comp into the 'nand' 1572537;1479872666;asciilifeform;with own os etc. 1572538;1479873655;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571797 << trinque does that thing ever update?? 1572539;1479873655;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 06:11 trinque: http://wot.deedbot.org/29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1.html << thing's coming along. 1572540;1479874312;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2376DC4A598D0B7FBCC1A66D71E36ADB37969120DC2D5B7C24BAEC8DD9FF5FD9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1704...9563 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.226.172.170 (ssh-rsa key from 109.226.172.170 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1572541;1479876345;trinque;asciilifeform: it will. 1572542;1479876367;trinque;what's up currently was a single shot of the tool 1572543;1479876444;*;trinque just wandered home from drinking with some suit-wearing creatures he just met at a local pub. 1572544;1479876483;trinque;suffice it to say that this country does not produce anyone worth "networking" is a thing. 1572545;1479876495;trinque;*with whom 1572546;1479876529;trinque;but y'know, got some free cigarettes out of the deal, so as usual, net gain 1572547;1479885835;mod6;<+trinque> asciilifeform: it will. << this thing is awesome btw! 1572548;1479898053;mats;https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/us-navys-most-expensive-destroyer-breaks-down-in-panama-canal 1572549;1479898096;shinohai;Been a bad year for the US Navy 1572550;1479898600;mats;can't wait to see what 2017 has in store for DoD 1572551;1479898819;shinohai;A Trumpreich DoD should provide a steady stream of entertaining lulz no doubt. 1572552;1479904050;mircea_popescu;trinque the whores are ok. the "elites"... not so much. 1572553;1479904081;mircea_popescu;mats you have no fucking idea what the costs of this happening are. 1572554;1479904085;mircea_popescu;basically they just take your ship. 1572555;1479906506;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572407 <<< no 1572556;1479906506;a111;Logged on 2016-11-22 21:37 asciilifeform: !~later tell davout is your www down ? 1572557;1479911372;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/us-celebration-of-consumerism-begins/ << Qntra - US Celebration Of Consumerism Begins 1572558;1479911799;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << eh it isn't as if panama were a sovereign country. usg takes what it wants there, incl. presidents 1572559;1479911799;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship. 1572560;1479911817;asciilifeform;(noriega is still rotting in american jail) 1572561;1479911872;asciilifeform;sorta why chinese canal is supposedly in the works (iirc -- in nicaragua, under protection of cn navy) 1572562;1479911931;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/VZIw6 << from same fishwrap 1572563;1479911957;asciilifeform;'People in the myriad “alt-right” communities that have flourished online in recent years are also expressing their displeasure that Trump appears to have abandoned the most extreme of his policies – at least for now – such as building a wall and prosecuting Hillary Clinton.' 1572564;1479911981;asciilifeform;!#s zhirinovsky 1572565;1479911982;a111;18 results for "zhirinovsky", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=zhirinovsky 1572566;1479912006;shinohai;Why build wall when Mexicans will just continue to play dig-dug. 1572567;1479912113;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'wall' was a catch-all name for the (economically impossible) notion of bringing back 1952 1572568;1479912122;asciilifeform;where white folk work in factories, on farms, etc. 1572569;1479912196;asciilifeform;ditto the 'bring J0BZZZ!!!! back from china' thing 1572570;1479912216;asciilifeform;(how many american folx are ready to pay $500,000 for a 'ford' ?) 1572571;1479912247;mircea_popescu;ohohoh 1k pss from ord 1572572;1479912249;asciilifeform;that's approx. (~very~ conservative estimate!) what it would cost if it were made with 0 chinese input. 1572573;1479912297;mircea_popescu;whoops lol 1572574;1479912307;asciilifeform;lel i was about to ask, what's a pss and where is ord 1572575;1479912421;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1050 * 262 * 2.2 1572576;1479912422;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1050 * 262 * 2.2 = 605220 1572577;1479912439;mircea_popescu;^ almost a bitcent. really a bitcent if premiums are included. 1572578;1479914078;asciilifeform;in other ( https://archive.is/WOLLO ) lulz, 'When you take a look at the implementation of /dev/random in [freebsd] 11.0 you will notice that with the support of the new random algorithms (fortuna has replaced yarrow), there is also support to feed the entropy with a write call to /dev/random. The 10.x releases do not support this write call. The man page previously said for 10.3 that writes will be silently ignored and in the 11.0 m 1572579;1479914078;asciilifeform;an page this passage has been removed.' 1572580;1479914091;asciilifeform;SILENTLY IGNORED, gold 1572581;1479914132;asciilifeform;( and in case anyone forgot, the above is to be seen in light of https://hardenedbsd.org/article/shawn-webb/2015-02-18/freebsd-random-number-generator-vulnerability ) 1572582;1479914162;mircea_popescu;heh 1572583;1479914189;asciilifeform;btw if anyone is looking for something to do, getting hold of a copy of diddled freebsd and generating several hundred thousand ssh and pgp keys, would be spiffy 1572584;1479914211;*;asciilifeform has been planning to do this for most of a year now, but has not enough hands 1572585;1479914341;BingoBoingo;In still other news St Louis now has Syrian refugees leaving St Louis as refugees. Double Refugee 1572586;1479914350;mircea_popescu;lmao 1572587;1479914354;mircea_popescu;once a refugee... 1572588;1479914439;BingoBoingo;The ones settled in South St Louis very happy with South St Louis, but the ones settled in NORTH St Louis... 1572589;1479914450;BingoBoingo;Well settled isn't right word 1572590;1479914473;Framedragger;asciilifeform: looks like some folks may have generated ssl certs this way, too... 1572591;1479914513;Framedragger;would be nice to run a netcraft-like service which observes all searchable internet's certificates.. 1572592;1479914513;Framedragger;/me dreams 1572593;1479914682;mircea_popescu;not even that expensive. 1572594;1479914703;BingoBoingo;ALso Nikki Haley condemned to UN Ambassador position, sound like career ender for the Governor. 1572595;1479914704;BingoBoingo;brb 1572596;1479914988;trinque;Framedragger: it'd be a step towards a republican search engine too 1572597;1479915000;mircea_popescu;eep. 1572598;1479915116;trinque;something like pagerank with the logs being heavily favored over all other content would be quite useful 1572599;1479915154;trinque;decent way to pick gems from the mountain of shit 1572600;1479915312;Framedragger;i suppose the system could then also integrate with gns, in the sense that gns-listed content could in principle be searched, too.. 1572601;1479915384;mircea_popescu;aha 1572602;1479915400;mircea_popescu;google is ~worthless as it is, certainly there's a hole here. 1572603;1479915563;trinque;given a concept of the top, you can do things like "archive all content within L2 of logs" 1572604;1479915577;trinque;unfairness makes the world so manageable 1572605;1479916008;Framedragger;trinque: L2 here means two edges away from logs? 1572606;1479916144;trinque;correct 1572607;1479916286;mircea_popescu;in principle it would be very gns-based. if i sign btcbase/logs mkj.lt/log trilema.com etc, you can do "signed:mp" in your search box and get results from THESE 1572608;1479916311;mircea_popescu;and obviously signed:mp&signed:alf ; or signed:mp||signed:alf etc 1572609;1479916333;mircea_popescu;just make a special field "readworthy" in your dns. 1572610;1479916393;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: like, the name is signed, or specific piece of content is signed? i assume the former? 1572611;1479916421;mircea_popescu;nah works just like !!rate. currently someone pops in, people !!up him, if he's not obnoxious gets a courtesy rating or two. 1572612;1479916436;mircea_popescu;same thing : people pop a link in, if the site's any good it gets a !!readworthy 1572613;1479916439;mircea_popescu;or two 1572614;1479916443;Framedragger;ah right. 1572615;1479916515;mircea_popescu;give trinque 's idea a bit of a kick, basically. just because something was mentioned here doesn't automatically mean it's worth reading ; though it IS a sign it exists. 1572616;1479916522;Framedragger;the N-to-1 relation (many possible ratings for one name) needs to be stored somehow, i suppose it may be multiple gns fields, but then it is the case that not *all* fields of a specific name are controlled by the name's owner; or, there's a separate service / storage thing. 1572617;1479916524;mircea_popescu;so that way you can more finely weigh the sites. 1572618;1479916566;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-14#1273498 << and it would satisfy this perfectly. 1572619;1479916566;a111;Logged on 2015-09-14 02:02 trinque: I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free 1572620;1479916578;mircea_popescu;quite so 1572621;1479916605;mircea_popescu;Framedragger on contemplation it'd be a "goodreads" root rather than the domain in question. 1572622;1479916616;mircea_popescu;gns is not dns ; it will hold any symbols you realise. 1572623;1479916646;Framedragger;sure 1572624;1479916654;Framedragger;so it'd just be another name 1572625;1479916670;mircea_popescu;so then deedbot could own goodreads and delegate mircea_popescu.goodreads to me. 1572626;1479916723;Framedragger;(btw, current dns does not allow for arbitrary fields the way you think it does; it does have a TXT type of record, but that's not the same; types of records are baked-in in the sense that they have magical IDs to be specified at dns payload header. obvs this cannot stand!) 1572627;1479916733;mircea_popescu;i don't think it does. i just say it should. 1572628;1479916746;Framedragger;yeah, i mean, sounds good. 1572629;1479916749;mircea_popescu;whole piece of shit is a repugnant midden of magic crap 1572630;1479916786;mircea_popescu;that's the thing with magic values : they are secreted by and attract like pheromones the imperial mind. 1572631;1479916814;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'm still not sure about the delegation thing. if A owns goodreads, B should in principle be able to register fuck.goodreads , right? but then allowing for a possibility of delegation would be nice. or, it'd just be a matter of convention *within deedbot's context*. 1572632;1479916819;mircea_popescu;you know what'd happen if women had no legs ? all sidewalks would be covered in slime lines. but do you know what happened once plebs were taught to read ? all fucking code is covered in slime lines. 1572633;1479916846;asciilifeform;^ 1572634;1479916849;Framedragger;heh. 1572635;1479916863;mircea_popescu;Framedragger right, same difference. 1572636;1479916884;Framedragger;right, convention. 1572637;1479916974;mircea_popescu;technically i suppose the correct way for this to work would be for me to own 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 which i do own because hey. 1572638;1479916994;mircea_popescu;then have name record on that = mircea popescu and freenode-nick record = mircea_popescu and blog = trilema.com and goodreads = whatever 1572639;1479916995;mircea_popescu;and so on. 1572640;1479917017;asciilifeform;naggum had some imho interesting detail re 'magic numbers', and how they are not born from empty space, but are gangrenously oozed eternally by pathologically misdesigned systems where operator is FORCED to lie about foreknowledge of field sizes, types, etc. 1572641;1479917031;mircea_popescu;now, the one hold-up here is that we've not yet settled on an universal-fingerprinting-function and we don't like how the koch-rsa fingerprinting works 1572642;1479917037;mircea_popescu;plus we want something to work wth cs too 1572643;1479917050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and he was right. 1572644;1479917063;mircea_popescu;note how neatly this clasps into the "causes, not purposes" thing, also. 1572645;1479917072;mircea_popescu;it's like being indiana jones, all the meaningless fragments snap together eventually. 1572646;1479917139;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i suppose the system could just allow one to own multiple fingerprints, according to different schemes, with some constraints on length ('minimum length' at least)? 1572647;1479917153;mircea_popescu;yes, i see no problem with that. 1572648;1479917168;mircea_popescu;make it take fingerprints as they are for now, and can be extended later. 1572649;1479917208;Framedragger;i guess i could invent a hash function which always outputs some short meaningful names like "CocksCocksBallsCocks" and then claim i have a right to them because that's my fingerprint, but it all boils down to WoT and "don't be ridiculous". 1572650;1479917220;asciilifeform;'as they are now' is catastrophically braindamaged 1572651;1479917227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah well. 1572652;1479917241;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i don't follow ? 1572653;1479917276;mircea_popescu;think - currently deedbot administers a very narrow implementation of the gns, whereby if you claim to own X domain, it challenges you and if you pass it gives it to you. 1572654;1479917278;mircea_popescu;same principle. 1572655;1479917305;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'm saying that there's a possible runaway effect where a party could claim to own many a fingerprint, because "their key fingerprinting function is like that", to the point where semantically useful names could be owned by them. but that's just ridiculous.. 1572656;1479917306;Framedragger;aha sure 1572657;1479917319;Framedragger;so deedbot or gns would decide on the allowed fingerprinting schemes. 1572658;1479917325;mircea_popescu;pretty much. 1572659;1479917336;mircea_popescu;!!register CocksCocksBallsCocks 1572660;1479917336;deedbot;mircea_popescu is already registered. 1572661;1479917340;mircea_popescu;:p 1572662;1479917340;trinque;ahahaha 1572663;1479917340;Framedragger;sounds pretty neat! 1572664;1479917346;trinque;oh wait 1572665;1479917350;mircea_popescu;lol 1572666;1479917359;Framedragger;"something terrible has happened" 1572667;1479917369;mircea_popescu;this ranks way up there in the top 10 machine humour incidents 1572668;1479917380;Framedragger;*mircea_popescu now permanently known as CocksCocksBallsCocks* 1572669;1479917387;mircea_popescu;!~echo the shrieker shrieks 1572670;1479917387;jhvh1;the shrieker shrieks 1572671;1479917397;asciilifeform;btw 'fingerprint' is a enough of a catastrophic retardation that it deserves own thread 1572672;1479917412;mircea_popescu;yeah it'll have to be fixed. 1572673;1479917416;Framedragger;asciilifeform: hence why you invented your own fp scheme for phuctor, right.. 1572674;1479917424;mircea_popescu;i dun think anyone seriously proposes it can work. 1572675;1479917446;asciilifeform;Framedragger: phuctor's scheme is sufficient for distinguishing pgp keys with same moduli but variant metafields from one another, and for no other purpose. 1572676;1479917459;Framedragger;right. 1572677;1479917475;mircea_popescu;this problem is harder than you realise, because eg, you don't know what publishing hash(privkey) leaks. 1572678;1479917475;asciilifeform;it is quite inappropriate for battlefield pubkeys. 1572679;1479917486;asciilifeform;why the fuck would you ever hash a privkey 1572680;1479917508;mircea_popescu;because thatg's the only way you're guaranteed to not have the current gpg problem 1572681;1479917512;mircea_popescu;where "something changes" but same hash 1572682;1479917527;asciilifeform;if you must hash something, you hash pubkey 1572683;1479917551;mircea_popescu;gah. 1572684;1479917560;asciilifeform;(rsa pubkeys are one-to-one with privkeys) 1572685;1479917571;mircea_popescu;with a few irrelevant exceptions. 1572686;1479917576;asciilifeform;degenerates 1572687;1479917586;mircea_popescu;i'm not making the argument you should. i'm just pointing out that it is the only way to be 100%. 1572688;1479917590;asciilifeform;but here's my cut of the knot: HASH LOCALLY 1572689;1479917595;mircea_popescu;now, trade-offs that are reasonable can be made etc. 1572690;1479917619;mircea_popescu;well of course locally ? or what do you mean ? 1572691;1479917623;Framedragger;did someone say DEGENERATES? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4 1572692;1479917623;asciilifeform;pubkey hashes are 'for in the harem' and not 'for in the forum'. 1572693;1479917631;mircea_popescu;no i wasn't about to send pubkeys to freeonlinehashes.foryou 1572694;1479917655;asciilifeform;i will carefully work out example: 1572695;1479917678;asciilifeform;tmsrttp://6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/trilema/foo.html is imho wrong. 1572696;1479917693;asciilifeform;'key fingerprint' is a broken concept. 1572697;1479917694;mircea_popescu;gns:// plox 1572698;1479917696;asciilifeform;it cannot be fixed. 1572699;1479917707;mircea_popescu;and it'd be gns://trilema.com/ 1572700;1479917758;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no argument re it being broken. point is - it exists, and can't be trivially fucked for now, so until replacement is made, can be used. 1572701;1479917767;mircea_popescu;in point of fact - it IS used. 1572702;1479917783;mircea_popescu;all our uses, in deedbot, in voicing model, in wot, in v, all rely on the concept of fp as gns namespace. 1572703;1479917783;asciilifeform;i say to replace it meaningfully, you gotta let go of the fundamental braindamage at the root of it. 1572704;1479917797;asciilifeform;nope. of PUBKEY 1572705;1479917802;asciilifeform;not a proctustization of same. 1572706;1479917805;asciilifeform;*procrust 1572707;1479917817;asciilifeform;do business with PUBKEYS, not FPs. 1572708;1479917818;mircea_popescu;!!rate asciilifeform 1 i tell you it's by fp 1572709;1479917819;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/mvv35/?raw=true 1572710;1479917828;asciilifeform;remains -- lame. 1572711;1479917835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you realise, deedbot searched me in its own copy of the gns. by fp. 1572712;1479917858;asciilifeform;and earlier by fleanode nick. because it imported the broken concepts of the empire. 1572713;1479917860;mircea_popescu;found the "pubkey" entry, encrypted to it. 1572714;1479917862;asciilifeform;one of them being - the fp. 1572715;1479917867;asciilifeform;it is promisetronic. 1572716;1479917881;mircea_popescu;yes well, to clean a room you gotta at some point stand on dirty floor. 1572717;1479917886;asciilifeform;global indices of 'memorable' names, or 'safely' shortened rsa pubkeys, are promisetronic. 1572718;1479917909;mircea_popescu;trinque would you be capable to migrate to indexing by pubkey numeric value ? 1572719;1479917912;asciilifeform;the only ~protocolic~ answer is to do business with pubkeys. now you ~can~ shorten them 'in the harem' 1572720;1479917945;mircea_popescu;he does have a point, and i think also the code to allow you to extract it from a pubkey if need be 1572721;1479917948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu can still key in 'trilema' in his browser. but his nic will spit out entire pubkey. 1572722;1479917951;trinque;mircea_popescu: if this is something I can jam into gpg at each call 1572723;1479917974;mircea_popescu;trinque it'd just be the index, you can keep precomputed field with anything you'd like right next to it. 1572724;1479917975;trinque;or otherwise it calls for homebrew RSA+padding 1572725;1479917977;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'pgpdump' will extract handily. 1572726;1479917988;asciilifeform;from ordinary rfc2440/4880 key. 1572727;1479917996;asciilifeform;ditto phuctor. 1572728;1479918006;trinque;and sure, could easily do this. I was already going to move the pubkey into my db for the www-wot pages 1572729;1479918021;Framedragger;jesus you guys, you realise all those deedbot messages are still internally encrypted with symmetric aes ('session key') right? and you think the lowest-hanging fruit is fingerprint? ok i guess 1572730;1479918037;mircea_popescu;it makes the db slightly larger, but it does solve a fundamental problem. 1572731;1479918037;asciilifeform;btw when 'p' is out i will show folks who want to keep their old moduli, how 1572732;1479918039;asciilifeform;(it isn't hard) 1572733;1479918056;mircea_popescu;Framedragger that's definitely getting replaced. 1572734;1479918061;asciilifeform;Framedragger: they are, and 'p' shoots it in the head. 1572735;1479918064;Framedragger;sure. 1572736;1479918093;*;Framedragger also wonders about pure rsa performance. guess we'll see :) 1572737;1479918131;asciilifeform;Framedragger: most of the time folks spend 'waiting for rsa' in, e.g., gnupg, is spent waiting for the idiot /dev/random 1572738;1479918134;trinque;sometimes people can think of two, even three fruits at a time! 1572739;1479918149;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if you don't believe this, go, profile it, see. 1572740;1479918152;mircea_popescu;moreover not all fruits are blocking ; and some things are just good hygiene at low cost 1572741;1479918182;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i guess i should. yeah fair enough. btw iirc there's still no markable security difference between urandom and random? 1572742;1479918199;mircea_popescu;not on freebsd at any rate. 1572743;1479918206;mircea_popescu;or was it debian. 1572744;1479918209;mircea_popescu;o wait... 1572745;1479918231;asciilifeform;if yer /dev/random is fed by intel crapolade, then also 1572746;1479918285;asciilifeform;or if whitened (is there a linux kernel where it isn't..?) 1572747;1479918285;asciilifeform;or, or. 1572748;1479918285;Framedragger;aha 1572749;1479918503;Framedragger;https://archive.is/udCnD#selection-755.26-752.3 << just a lulzy headline 1572750;1479918519;Framedragger;(ah discard the selection) 1572751;1479918838;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572699 << tbh doesn't sound right to me, the :// specifies a transport level protocol - so that i could do http:// or ftp:// or gopher:// 1572752;1479918838;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 16:15 mircea_popescu: and it'd be gns://trilema.com/ 1572753;1479918860;Framedragger;(but this can be resolved one way or another i'm sure.) 1572754;1479918962;mircea_popescu;yeah it wasn't serious. 1572755;1479919647;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com 1572756;1479919678;*;asciilifeform initially assumed 'early april fool joke' but the thing shows symptoms of actually existing... 1572757;1479919736;shinohai;Where `ICO` = " Initial Cask Offering " 1572758;1479919806;asciilifeform;the concept ought to be carried to its logical conclusion -- e.g., why limit to 'high end' whisky, why not also give option to invest in rotgut 'penny stocks' 1572759;1479919814;asciilifeform;which no doubt will flower as usa collapse marches on 1572760;1479919846;asciilifeform;'i'd like 10,000 shares of Night Train plox' 1572761;1479919846;asciilifeform;'5,000 of Wild Southern Rose plz' 1572762;1479919882;*;shinohai would buy Night Train shares 1572763;1479919972;asciilifeform;'When the economy collapses, hard-drinking people everywhere find all the more reason to get drunk, but much less wherewithal with which to procure drink. In Russia, innovative market-based solutions were quickly improvised, which it was my privilege to observe. ' << orlov's megaclassic, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062805_soviet_lessons_part2.shtml 1572764;1479920082;mircea_popescu;lmao wtf. 1572765;1479920132;shinohai;Therefore, investing in Night Train will be a win. 1572766;1479920412;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20010123231000/http://www.ftc.gov/opa/predawn/F93/cisco.txt << lel from BingoBoingo's old link 1572767;1479920669;Framedragger;heheh they have a kind of solvency 'proof' - "How? The audit shows you the full list of WhiskyInvestDirect's user records. You will see that these public records contain your correct balances." - https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com/audit.do 1572768;1479920694;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it appears to be run by folx who did 'allocated gold' etc. 1572769;1479920716;Framedragger;good stuff! 1572770;1479920723;asciilifeform;in fact, i found the link in a spam from 'bullionvault', to which i was once a subscriber 1572771;1479920764;asciilifeform;they had very similar promisetron where you could 'view all of the balances' 1572772;1479920842;Framedragger;heheh. UK office addresses for bullionvault and whiskeyinvest appear to be the same - how nice 1572773;1479920877;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cx9YGJAVQAAbQI7.jpg 1572774;1479920919;asciilifeform;lul 1572775;1479927407;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572500 << no bother at all / get better soon! 1572776;1479927407;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 01:57 phf: Framedragger: yeah, bug in the router, can access as http://btcbase.org/patches (which i know is confusing since it's also /log/), but obviously needs to be fixed 1572777;1479927429;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the 'cut the balls' link is a riotous lul btw 1572778;1479927462;Framedragger;oya - i admit to watching it multiple times (had the pleasure of actually reading said object of satire) 1572779;1479927701;mircea_popescu;which is that one ? 1572780;1479927784;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: slavoj žižek 1572781;1479927785;Framedragger;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80X0pbCV_t4 1572782;1479927801;mircea_popescu;o 1572783;1479927810;*;mircea_popescu is in a no video zone 1572784;1479927913;Framedragger;^ (the above is parody - understandable if one gets confused tho lol) 1572785;1479927920;Framedragger;!#s pervert's guide to ideology 1572786;1479927920;a111;0 results for "pervert's guide to ideology", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pervert's%20guide%20to%20ideology 1572787;1479927926;Framedragger;^ decent flick of his 1572788;1479927944;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was just a song, 'gotta cut their balls, cut their balls' 1572789;1479928000;Framedragger;oh no i meant "pervert's guide to cinema", the other one (ideology) is more preachy (as the title allows for) 1572790;1479928070;Framedragger;..ah: http://trilema.com/2011/imbecilul-filosofia-si-cinematografia/ 1572791;1479928138;mircea_popescu;lol! 1572792;1479928181;mircea_popescu;wow i totally trashed this. 1572793;1479928183;mircea_popescu;can you read it ? 1572794;1479928271;Framedragger;no, but the title intrigued me tho (apparently it reads as it sounds), so i've put it through google translate so your beautiful language can be raped and i can nevertheless get the gist.. 1572795;1479928307;Framedragger;(i mean, the gist is prolly about right, i'd agree..) 1572796;1479928370;mircea_popescu;ima translate it, why not. brb. 1572797;1479933639;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-imbecile-philosophy-and-cinematography/ << Trilema - The imbecile, philosophy and cinematography 1572798;1479934106;Framedragger;^ nice! veri greitful fuor yor translašn. -eastern yuropean guy 1572799;1479934125;asciilifeform;lul 1572800;1479934191;mircea_popescu;lmao 1572801;1479934213;mircea_popescu;i trust it works better than google. 1572802;1479934289;Framedragger;quite so! it does. 1572803;1479934400;Framedragger;i'm not sure if žižek "seriously references Stalin", i mean he has the guy's portrait in his apartment iirc (...), and it's a bit of a joke. (yes am aware stalin gets quoted, including in his books which i've glanced at.) either way, yeah, it's a dorky mish-mash of things... 1572804;1479934412;shinohai;Google translate is why r/btc misinterprets miners as saying "Suck Roger Ver's cock" 1572805;1479934474;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572554 << you saying the panamanians are going to confiscate a USN ship? 1572806;1479934474;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 12:28 mircea_popescu: basically they just take your ship. 1572807;1479934509;mircea_popescu;mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn. 1572808;1479934530;mircea_popescu;nobody wants the fucking ship. 1572809;1479934547;ben_vulpes;water in the power transmission bearings this time 1572810;1479934575;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the white house experts have identified russian hackers behind the incident. 1572811;1479934593;ben_vulpes;using highly radioactive polywater! 1572812;1479934593;mats;no no, its the chinese 1572813;1479934603;mircea_popescu;saddam hussein had wmds. 1572814;1479934658;mats;god forbid any american official EVER admits their systems are indefensible 1572815;1479934666;mats;xenophobia is the motherfucking answer! 1572816;1479934686;mircea_popescu;the global warming consensus is that jews did wtc. 1572817;1479934781;mircea_popescu;Framedragger anyway, stalin or no stalin, the marxist "perspective" is exactly "a study of antarctica from the point of view of santa's factory" 1572818;1479935607;asciilifeform;speaking of world's largest and least defensible golden toilets, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maZdUtB0ojs << very very speshul one, public only recently 1572819;1479935612;asciilifeform;'flying pentagon' 1572820;1479935689;asciilifeform;^ film was, it seems, taken by some unnamed official given 'vip tour', includes everything from toilets, bedrooms, to 'sooper seekrit' knobs etc. 1572821;1479935841;mats;interesting 1572822;1479935843;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572807 << 1 shell for the mega-cannon probably costs 5mil. and a reload of all of the toilet paper holders on board -- perhaps the full 10. 1572823;1479935843;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 20:55 mircea_popescu: mats no, but the adventure easily cost 10mn. 1572824;1479935886;mircea_popescu;which is exactly why they're gonna pay. 1572825;1479935990;ben_vulpes;the ships, along with the plane, are such a delightful distillation of the disintegration in place 1572826;1479936184;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the pictured plane -- there are supposedly ~four~ of 1572827;1479936241;mats;hes probably referring to the f-35 1572828;1479936261;asciilifeform;possibly. the ultimate platinum-iridium-diamond toilet. 1572829;1479936261;ben_vulpes;mats has it 1572830;1479936283;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: that monster flies, though 1572831;1479936298;asciilifeform;iirc f35 also knew how to fly. for short bursts. 1572832;1479936321;ben_vulpes;knew? 1572833;1479936340;asciilifeform;well it was sold as a 'software-controlled, smart' whateverthefuck 1572834;1479936359;asciilifeform;intrinsically-unstable surfaces, or what was it. 1572835;1479936382;mats;too bad the army doesn't have a mega-visible, five-years-behind and 100bn-cost-overrun project of its own 1572836;1479936391;mats;that'd complete the trifecta 1572837;1479936420;asciilifeform;mats: how about war-in-afghan? 1572838;1479936428;asciilifeform;or not project-enough. 1572839;1479936450;mircea_popescu;really they should make one of those inept walking-tanks 1572840;1479936465;ben_vulpes;the v8 donkey! 1572841;1479936465;mircea_popescu;god knows us military stole everything else from georg lucas 1572842;1479936472;mats;lol 1572843;1479936487;asciilifeform;aha! and was in fact described in j. sladek's (1980s) 'tiktok' 1572844;1479936492;mircea_popescu;imagine you know, a 200mn a piece, 500 ton bipedal battle tank 1572845;1479936495;asciilifeform;army wanted too! so build a land carrier. 1572846;1479936496;asciilifeform;on wheels. 1572847;1479936498;mircea_popescu;easily defeated by swamps, thunderstorms etc. 1572848;1479936499;asciilifeform;which then broke down. 1572849;1479936852;ben_vulpes;in other trumpargentwat/international great again: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/cashing-in-bigly-in-argentina 1572850;1479936886;mats;http://nypost.com/2016/11/22/man-accused-of-trying-to-push-commuter-onto-tracks-for-being-white 1572851;1479936951;ben_vulpes;given how tight-lipped nyc has traditionally been with "pushed onto tracks" numbers, "rash" is unjustified. 1572852;1479936960;mats;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e74_1448740839 1572853;1479936974;mats;this white nationalism stuff is entertaining++ 1572854;1479936996;mats;'forgive yourself' 1572855;1479937055;asciilifeform;what does mats recommend instead - wagner+cyanide ? 1572856;1479937189;trinque;so communist... "American President-Elect is in trouble for trying to make money with his legal business!" 1572857;1479937268;mats;asciilifeform: i like the sound of that 1572858;1479937315;asciilifeform;trinque: see, he forgot to declare it a FOUNDATION... then it'd be a-ok 1572859;1479937321;asciilifeform;esp if he were named clinton 1572860;1479937349;ben_vulpes;501c3's show profit nao? 1572861;1479937374;asciilifeform;lol profit 1572862;1479937381;mats;the whole idea of white guilt is ridiculous 1572863;1479937406;asciilifeform;so long as the books sum to 0, can have luxury hookers made of caviar at the foot of every golden toilet in the office 1572864;1479937432;ben_vulpes;what if one has enough of those 1572865;1479937468;asciilifeform;iirc the thing one does when 'enough of those' is to eat one's shotgun 1572866;1479937474;asciilifeform;(see kobain et al) 1572867;1479937475;ben_vulpes;perhaps wants to 'invest' (lol) 'profits' (lol) into another venture (lol?) 1572868;1479937491;asciilifeform;or this. thiel et al. 1572869;1479937503;ben_vulpes;non profit does not serve this case of 'enough of those'. 1572870;1479937508;ben_vulpes;'non profit' 1572871;1479937516;trinque;this altnazi vid narrator sounds fat as shit. 1572872;1479937535;*;ben_vulpes could not get sound to happen 1572873;1479937571;asciilifeform;somebody wake up BingoBoingo 1572874;1479937576;asciilifeform;i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' 1572875;1479937644;ben_vulpes;haven't we done the 'make a people great again' thread as well? 1572876;1479937651;ben_vulpes;'have a war, kill off 8/10'? 1572877;1479937822;*;ben_vulpes does not see any of these 'nazis' signing up to go fight anywhere 1572878;1479937850;*;ben_vulpes is trolling liberals with "look at all of the war we've waged and all of the booty we brought back" lately 1572879;1479937884;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: in your view, where ought they to fight ? 1572880;1479937910;asciilifeform;against pashtuns in afghan, to help keep cia heroin corridor into ru open ? 1572881;1479937911;ben_vulpes;kinda their problem not mine 1572882;1479937953;asciilifeform;'where to fight' is problem above the expendable muppet's pay grade. 1572883;1479937971;ben_vulpes;and so they're stuck being the third generation down. 1572884;1479937972;asciilifeform;if there isn't a lenin, the answer will be 'against orcs, in world of orcraft' 1572885;1479938149;shinohai;I find it hilarious Trump chose Ben Carson as HUD Secretary 1572886;1479938157;ben_vulpes;orly? 1572887;1479938174;ben_vulpes;yeah that's rich 1572888;1479938176;trinque;I guess it has "urban" in it 1572889;1479938197;ben_vulpes;put the black dude in charge of the projects 1572890;1479938203;shinohai;keks 1572891;1479938207;ben_vulpes;makes this real fucked up kind of sense 1572892;1479938275;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's altogether dubious. a) nobody wants to build in argentina atm, the market is dying ; b) it's as hamilton pointed out too little money, abuilding, wtf is a building ; c) the "journalist" this supposedly comes from has c1) no way of knowing and c2) a very good reason to lie, seeing how he's up to the eyeballs in debt which c2.1)is owed to a bunch of financially misplaced idiots who will go bankrupt if the caba r 1572893;1479938275;mircea_popescu;eal estate bubble actually pops. 1572894;1479938279;mircea_popescu;so no, there's nothing there. 1572895;1479938315;ben_vulpes;quite 1572896;1479938319;ben_vulpes;see: "trumpargenwat" 1572897;1479938329;mircea_popescu;this is how tv works in the third world (which more and more includes the us) : derp floats something "because why not". 1572898;1479938333;shinohai;This from a guy who said "I'm totally not interested in serving in Trumpreich" just days ago. 1572899;1479938371;mircea_popescu;anway - you can buy buenos aires buildings at judicial auction for a few mil. not like it's some sort of uber big deal. 1572900;1479938376;trinque;shinohai: by now it should be clear that nothing anyone says in that world matters tomorrow 1572901;1479938444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty. 1572902;1479938450;mircea_popescu;fat constricts ballsac and airways. 1572903;1479938473;asciilifeform;did everybody miss last night's 'mr.t kowtows to nyt and disavows 'extremists' etc.' thing ? 1572904;1479938492;mircea_popescu;not what i read there. 1572905;1479939096;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572876 << btw this does not always work. worked for, e.g., su 1941-45, but not, say germany, in same. or, say, britain ww1. the latter two -- culled the wrong 8. 1572906;1479939096;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 21:47 ben_vulpes: 'have a war, kill off 8/10'? 1572907;1479939117;mircea_popescu;easier for su, any 8/10 just as good. 1572908;1479939141;asciilifeform;it wasn't 'any' tho 1572909;1479939160;asciilifeform;paradoxically, getting invaded and decimated -- is pretty good for 'you' (as biomaterial) 1572910;1479939174;asciilifeform;it is the 'just wanteds' who get nailed, slightly preferentially. 1572911;1479939182;ben_vulpes;better chances than thumbing ass and praying 1572912;1479939210;asciilifeform;'pray for asteroid' -- orlol 1572913;1479939769;ben_vulpes;nyt transcript is pretty amusing. friendman's butthurt leaking all over the page. 1572914;1479939792;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/OgJ6U 1572915;1479940862;mircea_popescu;"SULZBERGER: I thought maybe I’d start this off by asking if you have anything you would like to start this off with before we move to" aaaaand i lost interest. 1572916;1479940894;mircea_popescu;fucktards are utterly unreadable by now, i'd rather peruse byzantine court poetry cca comnena. 1572917;1479940999;ben_vulpes;what /did/ you read on the 'kowtowing'? 1572918;1479941013;mircea_popescu;~nothing tbh. did i miss out much ? 1572919;1479941033;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if you mean alf's q, the snippet in the logs yest, "oh, these ppl doing the nazi salute should stop" 1572920;1479941045;ben_vulpes;yeah that 1572921;1479941056;ben_vulpes;hmk 1572922;1479941059;mircea_popescu;wasn't aware this is particularly controversial. 1572923;1479941119;ben_vulpes;just trying to weave these threads of conversation into some bizarro fabric over here 1572924;1479941932;asciilifeform;sparing clitler is no longer 'controversial' ? 1572925;1479941943;asciilifeform;or 'keeping open mind' on 'climate change' treaty 1572926;1479941949;asciilifeform;or reconsidering THE WALL 1572927;1479941953;asciilifeform;or, or. 1572928;1479941984;asciilifeform;'“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...' 1572929;1479942199;trinque;the guy went to pedo island just like bill 1572930;1479942221;trinque;CIA/NSA probably already neutered him a while ago 1572931;1479942231;asciilifeform;trinque: are you familiar with zhirinovsky ? 1572932;1479942240;trinque;I am not. 1572933;1479942272;asciilifeform;ru version of mr.t. 'created' in '91 when kpss decided to permit 'the first second political party' 1572934;1479942285;asciilifeform;but never quite went out of business, continues on as a kind of rush limbaugh 1572935;1479942302;asciilifeform;'lightning rod', if you will. 1572936;1479942353;trinque;aha, sounds just like it. 1572937;1479942395;asciilifeform;the spencer d00d is a product of same machine 1572938;1479942460;asciilifeform;a walking zero, with 0 ideas, no oratory ability, etc. but with audience and zog media exposure because ~selected~ to work as flytrap. 1572939;1479942508;shinohai;!!up Dog1 1572940;1479942508;deedbot;Dog1 voiced for 30 minutes. 1572941;1479942709;Dog1;So this this many member you would think there would be some type of conversation going on. 1572942;1479942740;trinque;we were waiting for you to get here. 1572943;1479942749;shinohai;You just caught the tail ... http://btcbase.org/logs/ if you wanna catch up 1572944;1479942774;shinohai;Sorry http://btcbase.org/log/ 1572945;1479942775;asciilifeform;now where's Dog2. 1572946;1479942783;asciilifeform;cannot work without 2,3,4. 1572947;1479942803;asciilifeform;sled -- needs 4. 1572948;1479942804;Dog3;I am Doge 1572949;1479942805;Framedragger;in soviet russia, the dog make redundant *you* 1572950;1479942837;trinque;Dog3: I didn't vote for you 1572951;1479942863;Dog1;well I have been called swinehawg (spelling in german not there ) LOL 1572952;1479942905;mircea_popescu;god damned this black mirror shit is unwatchable. where the fuck do they find these dumb bitchez that can't act to save their life, it's like they're not even b list. netflix has invented the c-list. and who the fuck writes this inane crap, it's like they're trying for a reboot of the venerable twilight zone / tales from the crypt, except failing to reach that high. 1572953;1479942910;Dog1;and the rest of the pack will be around in time 1572954;1479942910;mircea_popescu;holy shit netflix is worse than mtv. 1572955;1479942935;ben_vulpes;trinque: oblig mug i grew up drinking out of http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bLsAAOSw1vlUubcb/s-l1600.jpg 1572956;1479942948;shinohai;I watched the Narcos show on Netflix ... was kinda tolerable 1572957;1479942985;ben_vulpes;http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tom-Edwards-Coffee-Mug-Dont-Look-at-Me-I-Didnt-Vote-for-Him-Social-Insecurity-/191805586136?hash=item2ca880fad8 << this one in particular 1572958;1479942992;Dog1;got me 1572959;1479943075;trinque;ben_vulpes: heh, I was making a roundabout monty python reference 1572960;1479943096;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i meant specifically the "naxi salute ppl are ridoinculous" bit ; re the "sparing hillary" thing the official excuse is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-22#1572221 1572961;1479943096;a111;Logged on 2016-11-22 16:46 mircea_popescu: hey, he;s not sworn in yet. if he is or if he isn't gonna jail the shrew, he'd still say he isn't. 1572962;1479943163;Dog1;Once again shinohai are you done with that universal translator yet 1572963;1479943163;trinque;someone might've told him he's supposed to maintain the pretense of justice dept independence 1572964;1479943247;shinohai;Dog1: jhvh1 has google translate 1572965;1479943254;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm not entirely sure what the argument is, so i dunno. 1572966;1479943290;asciilifeform;argument is that this movie is a rerun of jimmy carter election, where the man promised to 'show the aliens', or obummer, who promised 'legalize dope', etc. 1572967;1479943318;mircea_popescu;well it is a us election thingee. 1572968;1479943354;Dog1;Pick the worst of two evils 1572969;1479943362;mircea_popescu;the dispute around that event centers on "alf : he can't win mp: lol of course he will", ain't gonna transmute into an "alf:dun matter that he won". 1572970;1479943370;asciilifeform;each d00d sits down at the blinkenlights panel and starts playing with knobs, and notices that they are mostly not connected to anything; and the ones that are, if he starts twiddling, Nice Polite Folx show up and gently tell him that he must stop, or There Will Be Problems. 1572971;1479943383;mircea_popescu;of course it dun matter, it's a broken ikea replica of an engine. 1572972;1479943388;Dog1;Alf likes Cats 1572973;1479943395;mircea_popescu;Dog1 who are you again ? 1572974;1479943396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like we agree on that one 1572975;1479943411;Dog1;just a traveller 1572976;1479943413;asciilifeform;lemme guess, vex is back 1572977;1479943419;mircea_popescu;!!down Dog1 1572978;1479943426;mircea_popescu;come back as a useful something. 1572979;1479943463;*;asciilifeform assumed that it was trinque's drinking mate or such 1572980;1479943471;mircea_popescu;was it ? 1572981;1479943479;shinohai;Eulorian 1572982;1479943486;trinque;I never heard of him 1572983;1479943499;mircea_popescu;not in #eulora ? 1572984;1479943545;mircea_popescu;trinque that's kinda the thing, everyone tends to assume such things because why risk offending friend of lord. 1572985;1479943554;mircea_popescu;prolly should be standing policy to actually announce such situations. 1572986;1479943615;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-23#1572942 << I guess this wasn't dry enough, lol 1572987;1479943615;a111;Logged on 2016-11-23 23:12 trinque: we were waiting for you to get here. 1572988;1479943631;trinque;guy comes in asking to be entertained 1572989;1479943675;shinohai;Entropy works in mysterious wayz 1572990;1479944324;shinohai;Trump look-alikes rejoice http://archive.is/aibsP 1572991;1479946881;ben_vulpes;trump claims he'll file notice to withdraw from the tpp 1572992;1479946912;ben_vulpes;probably old news, but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xX_KaStFT8 1572993;1479949243;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/406577CA894C81B306E183F8E52DC6A997A0DFC2F6014A022722084E4F1C6F78 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2250...9729 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.168 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1572994;1479949813;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8858EE7CB6022AED42C545A74146BF9C447E5343491434A1A837E77B3C3BA8D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2425...8041 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.199.146.46 (ssh-rsa key from 94.199.146.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1572995;1479949813;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8EF16720088A8B9131E028CD48CA8152C4897E65A6BCADF7CA824678FCEDA8D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1591...4289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.242.250.181 (ssh-rsa key from 213.242.250.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1572996;1479949813;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC0E3D6DE5D49CB2216B41DCC324A402E22511134B8DB6EF249EF2AF84F49456 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2222...7649 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.236.111.100 (ssh-rsa key from 89.236.111.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1572997;1479949894;shinohai;Argentina! 1572998;1479952106;mircea_popescu;4 different ones too 1572999;1479952197;shinohai;Phuctor practices diversity 1573000;1479952222;mircea_popescu;and in other news, the pink room : http://68.media.tumblr.com/a94a71664eaaea4ff5feebaf1013ef1f/tumblr_mst7aej6HO1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1573001;1479952280;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Very fat people indeed sound fat 1573002;1479952363;BingoBoingo; asciilifeform> i had nfi that it is possible to 'sound fat' << very possible. low testosterone nasal male voice almost guaranteed to come from fatty. << AHA, not to mention low airflow! 1573003;1479952407;mircea_popescu;aha. 1573004;1479952435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you not like the new deedbot phuctor style ? 1573005;1479952447;BingoBoingo; '“I don’t want to energize the group. I’m not looking to energize them. I don’t want to energize the group, and I disavow the group,” Trump said ...' << He won that vote. Now has to win December vote still. 1573006;1479953976;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573004 << it is good to see the ip here 1573007;1479953976;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 01:53 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you not like the new deedbot phuctor style ? 1573008;1479954012;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1573009;1479954029;mircea_popescu;esp as there was no guarantee you'd get the whole mod anyway. 1573010;1479954039;asciilifeform;geoestimator thing such as the one kako had would be also neat, but i dun have one handy 1573011;1479954117;asciilifeform;and hah, a ru ip 1573012;1479954128;asciilifeform;not so many of these to date. 1573013;1479954152;*;asciilifeform bbl -- meat! 1573014;1479954930;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzotRe0VjRU << syrians build technical out of 19th century artillery piece and flatbed truck 1573015;1479955375;mats;it reminds me of how the communists dug up caches of muskets buried by the ming 1573016;1479955700;phf;(in totally unrelated news, if you hover over the xref arrows in the log, the tooltip will show you corresponding entry. not very useful in the back link because the bot quotes, but handy in forward link. wanted to add that feature for a while..) 1573017;1479955790;mircea_popescu;nice 1573018;1479955798;Framedragger;ahh nice. (actually i got used to opening new tabs for xrefs so i think people will actually look at hover text..) 1573019;1479956656;shinohai;!~display 200.69.47.168 1573020;1479956656;jhvh1;shinohai: {'city': 'Federal', 'region_name': '08', 'longitude': -58.8, 'country_code3': 'ARG', 'latitude': -30.94999999999999, 'postal_code': None, 'country_code': 'AR', 'country_name': 'Argentina'} 1573021;1479956665;mircea_popescu;ah cool! 1573022;1479956703;shinohai;Forgive the json brackets, will try to sort that crud out 1573023;1479956728;mircea_popescu;not a big deal. 1573024;1479956856;shinohai;When one asks for tools in #trilema, you may perhaps be handed a stone adze 1573025;1479956870;mircea_popescu;lol 1573026;1479956878;mircea_popescu;any luck with teh window ? 1573027;1479956910;shinohai;not yet, still on the list though. 1573028;1479957123;shinohai;!~lookup qntra.net 1573029;1479957123;jhvh1;shinohai: 46.166.170.207 1573030;1479957405;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8858EE7CB6022AED42C545A74146BF9C447E5343491434A1A837E77B3C3BA8D7 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1539...2533 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.199.146.46 (ssh-rsa key from 94.199.146.46 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1573031;1479957405;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8EF16720088A8B9131E028CD48CA8152C4897E65A6BCADF7CA824678FCEDA8D0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1493...6289 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '213.242.250.181 (ssh-rsa key from 213.242.250.181 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1573032;1479957405;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AC0E3D6DE5D49CB2216B41DCC324A402E22511134B8DB6EF249EF2AF84F49456 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1354...2567 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.236.111.100 (ssh-rsa key from 89.236.111.100 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1573033;1479958687;Framedragger;shinohai: ah nice! i've been brewing sth similar so scriba can look up info for all IPs it finds in messages but since you have the display/lookup now, maybe you'd like to incorporate this (so it triggers on ip mention) - this is for sopel not limnoria, mind you: http://log.mkj.lt/ipinfo.py.txt 1573034;1479958705;Framedragger;(if not i can incorporate it - or maybe it's not even needed). bbl 1573035;1479958857;mircea_popescu;eh, bot shouldn't speak whenever it thinks it sees an ip. 1573036;1479958907;trinque;I've already got phuctor-related hax in my feeds thing; I don't mind adding a geoip python module to the mix. 1573037;1479958942;Framedragger;(just fyi http://ipinfo.io/IP_ADDRESS gives nice json incl AS number and name) 1573038;1479959014;Framedragger;(as in, if it's requested by a non-browser it'll return json - e.g. `curl ipinfo.io/8.8.8.8`) 1573039;1479959034;trinque;I'm loath to use people's APIs for things when I dun gotta 1573040;1479959046;trinque;looks like there's a geoip pyturd 1573041;1479959107;Framedragger;fair enough. note thought that offline geoip DBs need updating. like, tor ships with new maxmind geoip DB for AS numbers (need to ensure tor circuit is from different ASes [*dodge mp laughing*]) every month 1573042;1479959113;Framedragger;though* 1573043;1479959161;Framedragger;also reverse PTR / hostname lookup is nice 1573044;1479959219;trinque;yeh, dnspython does that 1573045;1479959329;Framedragger;ah, cool! yeah i get your api-dependence point 1573046;1479959392;trinque;would be different if the guy was in my wot. 1573047;1479959414;trinque;not that usg.dns is in my wot... 1573048;1479960645;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/406577CA894C81B306E183F8E52DC6A997A0DFC2F6014A022722084E4F1C6F78 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...7663 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.69.47.168 (ssh-rsa key from 200.69.47.168 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1573049;1479960714;mircea_popescu;hm this was once before ? 1573050;1479961053;mircea_popescu;in other news 8chan decides assange is dead and video proof is no sort of proof : http://8ch.net/pol/res/8294899.html 1573051;1479961156;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF6D44E4202187EB45DBC01A17B3000109EF6CA42E1493A13D442DBFD6D309AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...8069 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.246.42 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.246.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1573052;1479961156;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2C600F2ACA29012D9DCDE416D65D7AC2E5A29A5B4B0EB998A1FE9F7E85B9303 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...1253 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.41.156.230 (ssh-rsa key from 78.41.156.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1573053;1479961842;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5770 1573054;1479964036;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/are-all-yall-children-ready-to-die-6th-child-dies-after-school-bus-wreck-in-tennessee/ << Qntra - Are All Yall Children Ready To Die: 6th Child Dies After School Bus Wreck In Tennessee 1573055;1479964038;BingoBoingo;^OMG A QNtra with Picture! 1573056;1479964235;BingoBoingo;and yes, 'all yall' and 'yall' are properly conjugated 1573057;1479966790;asciilifeform;http://94.199.146.46 << lul 1573058;1479968896;BingoBoingo;Relatit http://fox8.com/2016/11/23/doomsday-preppers-in-cleveland-robbed-of-guns-body-armor-and-machetes/ 1573059;1479970758;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF6D44E4202187EB45DBC01A17B3000109EF6CA42E1493A13D442DBFD6D309AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...8069 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.246.42 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.246.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' 1573060;1479970810;trinque;^ I popped that one again intentionally, testing something 1573061;1479973249;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF6D44E4202187EB45DBC01A17B3000109EF6CA42E1493A13D442DBFD6D309AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1502...8069 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.246.42 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.246.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (7724524642.rev.kpsi.pl., PL, KP) 1573062;1479973261;trinque;check it out, reverse dns and geolocation 1573063;1479973426;*;trinque took out the commas, not necessary. 1573064;1479992377;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573033 <<< thx Framedragger ... since it is python is trivial to convert to a plugin, but I kinda agree with mircea_popescu that should only be a call. When phuctor pops a lot of keys would get spammy imho to have bot announce 5-10 ip locations. 1573065;1479992377;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 03:38 Framedragger: shinohai: ah nice! i've been brewing sth similar so scriba can look up info for all IPs it finds in messages but since you have the display/lookup now, maybe you'd like to incorporate this (so it triggers on ip mention) - this is for sopel not limnoria, mind you: http://log.mkj.lt/ipinfo.py.txt 1573066;1479992754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2EEDE1E75CD6E3C7BA28384587BF9B13108A1E30BA5E960D1874EB3C7B7E224E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.37 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1573067;1479992754;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C5AA0F8647C698DC26F39805C7A7668AFCAC5951DA2BC8F037715E3DA9E97A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.128.19 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.128.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US NY) 1573068;1479992801;shinohai;ah clever trinque 1573069;1479993526;mircea_popescu;trinque oh that's nice 1573070;1479993699;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/q5l4u/?raw=true 1573071;1479993699;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1573072;1479993905;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573057 << twitter api thing, searches twitter. 1573073;1479993905;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 05:53 asciilifeform: http://94.199.146.46 << lul 1573074;1479995454;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CF6D44E4202187EB45DBC01A17B3000109EF6CA42E1493A13D442DBFD6D309AB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1674...8453 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.245.246.42 (ssh-rsa key from 77.245.246.42 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (7724524642.rev.kpsi.pl. PL KP) 1573075;1479995455;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2C600F2ACA29012D9DCDE416D65D7AC2E5A29A5B4B0EB998A1FE9F7E85B9303 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1500...7259 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '78.41.156.230 (ssh-rsa key from 78.41.156.230 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown GB) 1573076;1479995455;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C30DC71A84187FB781302AD32314639EBF5DFFC2CA1EC163A687BE3415BEE375 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.82 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.82 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1573077;1479995455;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7C5AA0F8647C698DC26F39805C7A7668AFCAC5951DA2BC8F037715E3DA9E97A2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.128.19 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.128.19 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US NY) 1573078;1479995455;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2EEDE1E75CD6E3C7BA28384587BF9B13108A1E30BA5E960D1874EB3C7B7E224E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1020...6799 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.37 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.37 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1573079;1479995455;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0E61D37189B054E1F4438E87CE90CFEAB51D3C40E0D1AD0F41FF70B0106A36A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2372...9851 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.95.224.203 (ssh-rsa key from 93.95.224.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (kapital-backend.kapital.is. IS) 1573080;1479995456;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7631661FB3429A9E2DD74163BEA3657BB854412B7832EFA9BED16BC26949233 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2250...3621 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.104.72.72 (ssh-rsa key from 89.104.72.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (5715.ovz-n7.hc.ru. RU) 1573081;1479996090;mircea_popescu; 1573082;1479996561;phf;oh i thought log broke.. 1573083;1479996562;Framedragger;trinque: nice! 1573084;1479996619;phf;trinque: you could probably also scrub "Ask.*dot" part 1573085;1479996670;mircea_popescu;too much special treatment by now. 1573086;1479996797;Framedragger;in retrospect, gpg comments were too long.. i've made them shorter for the 'additional' ssh key bundle (last ~3M keys), but that won't be ingested for a while 1573087;1479996837;mircea_popescu;this is how we figure things out you know, otherwise the far edges are really too far for contemplation. 1573088;1479996851;phf;well, i use own rss reader, and the way i solved that problem is by having a handful of general purpose functions that get applied to rss entry before formatting it to output. there's still "specific treatment" but it's kept with the configuration 1573089;1479996883;Framedragger;or hm. the initial ip address is the gpg user id. the entire gpg *comment* could be discarded. this imo would be clean. 1573090;1479996921;phf;e.g. ('https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/feed/', compose(get_article_extract('#content .post .main'), remove_ele('.wpcnt', '#jp-post-flair'))), 1573091;1479996930;mircea_popescu;phf yeah but he's juggling too much code and i dun wanna lose him under a pile of lengthy rules of low value. 1573092;1479996941;phf;kk 1573093;1479996947;phf;fair 1573094;1479996973;mircea_popescu;(low abstractive value is what's meant, rather than practical value) 1573095;1479998421;shinohai;In ethereum/fiat lulz: https://github.com/jpmorganchase/quorum 1573096;1479998541;asciilifeform;lul 'permissioned coins' 1573097;1479998584;asciilifeform;'this proggy also requires this razor coin to be anally present , to operate' 1573098;1479998612;asciilifeform;( hey -- at least honest !11 ) 1573099;1479999370;shinohai;Now Ethereum Fundation is rushing to beg exchanges to halt trading this morning because of "surprise issues" with latest hard fork. 1573100;1479999378;shinohai;Who could have predicted ? 1573101;1479999400;mircea_popescu;lmao 1573102;1479999422;mircea_popescu;what "exchanges" ? afaik ~everyone halted trading altogether at one of the previous similar junctures. 1573103;1479999440;mircea_popescu;ethereum costs about 1k times more to support than it can possibly profit anyone 1573104;1479999450;shinohai;First was ....surprise! buttfinex 1573105;1479999480;mircea_popescu;heh 1573106;1480000454;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't get it, wtf is a "permissioned" coin ? bitcoin is already permissioned, and if you don't think so you're more than welcome to spend mine ? 1573107;1480001457;mircea_popescu;and in other omfgwtf, mysql SELECT WHERE TYPE [char len 1 field] = "F" selects BOTH f and F. 1573108;1480001541;mircea_popescu;and tghe pill is to do WHERE BINARY. holy shit, im doing where binary char compares. 1573109;1480002114;*;BingoBoingo writing up latest solidcoin/ethereum lulz 1573110;1480002116;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/usg-navy-loses-more-personnel-information/ << Qntra - USG.Navy Loses More Personnel Information 1573111;1480002525;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573106 << central 1573112;1480002525;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 15:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, wtf is a "permissioned" coin ? bitcoin is already permissioned, and if you don't think so you're more than welcome to spend mine ? 1573113;1480002649;mircea_popescu;so they're making centralized bitcoin and calling it permissioned coin. hurr. 1573114;1480002674;asciilifeform;old name 1573115;1480002712;asciilifeform;academitards were killing trees on 'permissioned coins' at least as early as '13 1573116;1480002735;asciilifeform;'blockchain-flavoured' paypals. 1573117;1480002818;asciilifeform;naturally, this crud is simple smoke screen around the mot et al multi-year effort to permissionize btc. 1573118;1480002977;asciilifeform;*mit et al 1573119;1480003067;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573062 << very very neat 1573120;1480003067;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 07:41 trinque: check it out, reverse dns and geolocation 1573121;1480003096;mircea_popescu;'13 is a little late for this show. 1573122;1480003160;asciilifeform;i dun have the exact chronology-- the subj is stomach-churning 1573123;1480003239;mircea_popescu;"but how could it be that we don't matter in the future!!!11" 1573124;1480003245;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573103 << did it ~have~ to be catastrophically buggy? other crackpot alts had mostly working mechanics 1573125;1480003245;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 14:57 mircea_popescu: ethereum costs about 1k times more to support than it can possibly profit anyone 1573126;1480003269;mircea_popescu;no alt can have working mechanics. 1573127;1480003363;asciilifeform;death by difficulty-bumping is different item from death by bugatronics 1573128;1480003425;asciilifeform;e.g., 'altcoin', had working mechanics. just as train that is on rails to go off a cliff, is not thereby a broken design of train 1573129;1480003483;asciilifeform;one would still have to be an idiot to knowingly ride, but it is property of the ~system~ of train + rail 1573130;1480003497;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/consensus-flaw-ether-huffers-plead-for-trading-halt-after-latest-fork/ << Qntra - "Consensus Flaw" – Ether Huffers Plead For Trading Halt After Latest Fork 1573131;1480003677;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0E61D37189B054E1F4438E87CE90CFEAB51D3C40E0D1AD0F41FF70B0106A36A0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1476...0117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.95.224.203 (ssh-rsa key from 93.95.224.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (kapital-backend.kapital.is. IS) 1573132;1480003677;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7631661FB3429A9E2DD74163BEA3657BB854412B7832EFA9BED16BC26949233 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1359...3067 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '89.104.72.72 (ssh-rsa key from 89.104.72.72 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (5715.ovz-n7.hc.ru. RU) 1573133;1480003852;asciilifeform;sooo evidently somewhere we had ~3-prime~ key with each of these as factor 1573134;1480003861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well it's not clear what one means by catastrophically buggy. 1573135;1480003868;mircea_popescu;yes they could design meaningful item. however, that takes work. 1573136;1480003881;mircea_popescu;placing self on (monero, solidcoin) continuum takes being ustardian. 1573137;1480003886;mircea_popescu;the latter's a more achievable bar. 1573138;1480004070;mats;hepi sanksgiving 1573139;1480004089;mircea_popescu;you're welcome. 1573140;1480004102;asciilifeform;i admit that i still dun fully grasp the theoretical appeal of eth. 'smart contract' on machine-evaluated premises? munchausen bootstrap-flyer ? 1573141;1480004116;Framedragger;heh, i've considered contributing to monero as per fluffypony's suggestion, they have some kind of open sores bounty program, too. but yes the whole ring signature thing etc - too 'mysterious' 1573142;1480004119;mircea_popescu;the theoretical appeal of eth is ~doge. 1573143;1480004181;mircea_popescu;except for the "i fucking love science" / "wikipedia and tedtalks!!!" crowd of chindribblers, rather than for the icanhascheezburger / pinterest / etc crowd of chindribblers. 1573144;1480004187;asciilifeform;wai the expensive and brittle theatrical machinery then 1573145;1480004197;mircea_popescu;same reason mit has a media lab. 1573146;1480004223;mircea_popescu;it could do just as well as the becker college, and dispense with it. 1573147;1480004259;mircea_popescu;as far as practical results are concerned, i mean. as far as the chumps involved are concerned, the doge crowd requires pictures of cats and the eth crowd requires technogargle. 1573148;1480004284;mircea_popescu;just like the vampire books tend to use a lot of red and science fiction books tend to use a lot of blue. 1573149;1480004321;mircea_popescu;a world of consumer choices, color coded for your convenience! 1573150;1480004342;mircea_popescu;and, outside of the color coding, substantially produced out of the same hfcs vats! 1573151;1480004353;mircea_popescu;just let me know if you'd like to drink "beer", "soda", "energy drinks" or what. 1573152;1480004455;asciilifeform;'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' 1573153;1480004513;BingoBoingo; just like the vampire books tend to use a lot of red and science fiction books tend to use a lot of blue. << Vampire books are green. 1573154;1480004528;mircea_popescu;progress. 1573155;1480004558;*;BingoBoingo tried to make a colorblind mp joak, failed 1573156;1480004574;mircea_popescu;one does not simply make a mp joak! 1573157;1480004687;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform very similar to how the us military works. hasn't won a single engagement since the 90s, and you could ask "why the expensive and brittle theatrical machinery then" ? and i'd answer the same thing. 1573158;1480004695;*;BingoBoingo should have color tested it because black laffs matter 1573159;1480004710;mircea_popescu;kek 1573160;1480004835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, us air force dispensing with machinery, moving to theoretical airplane 1573161;1480004853;asciilifeform;so not quite as stupid as , e.g., navy 1573162;1480004855;mircea_popescu;im sure it'll win many wars in the sky. 1573163;1480004859;asciilifeform;or ethertards 1573164;1480004863;mircea_popescu;the byzantine version thereof, that's as it should be. 1573165;1480004869;asciilifeform;wins wars with printing press 1573166;1480004894;mircea_popescu;sure. every whoremonger wins the war with the cunt every time he takes out his wallet. 1573167;1480005401;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://68.media.tumblr.com/578037e5c9a48334cc1498992cb1c27a/tumblr_mrnwn92qo31sf43s6o1_1280.jpg 1573168;1480007332;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1573169;1480007333;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 440390 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 1113 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 7 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1573170;1480007412;shinohai;I just realized I missed opportunity to make a stolen semen pun in that article. 1573171;1480007515;BingoBoingo;4srs 1573172;1480007528;BingoBoingo;now condemned to commentz 1573173;1480007915;mircea_popescu;and in other cinema, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5KtkKE9mtU 1573174;1480010205;BingoBoingo;And in reality tv "A well-connected Kanye source tells us Kanye’s psychological problems are significant enough so that his insurance policy — which covers lost profits and financial obligations for cancelled concerts due to illness — will almost certainly cover the losses for the 21 concerts he’s cancelled." 1573175;1480010213;BingoBoingo;From some rag 1573176;1480010322;mircea_popescu;lol wait, because if you think libtards are ridoinculous you must be insane ? 1573177;1480010345;BingoBoingo;Apparently. "Hospitalized" 1573178;1480010350;mircea_popescu;and not giving a shit about us market must necessarily be a loss ? 1573179;1480010418;BingoBoingo;naturally 1573180;1480010458;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody cares about, the us&friends decided the leaking of civilians from mosul is more trouble than it's worth, sealed it off, will proceed to butcher the remaining and blame isis for it. 1573181;1480011803;asciilifeform;fewer orcs, fewer problems, eh 1573182;1480011834;asciilifeform;they'd neutronbomb it and blame on tongo if they could. 1573183;1480012079;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/5ep54c/anyone_else_becoming_disturbed_by_similarities_to/ 1573184;1480014529;pete_dushenski;shinohai: a remiss is me. i missed jhvh1's latest pgpgram and ben_vulpes' wotpaste scarfed it before i could get to it. damn my meatspace life, log skimming, and ben's aggressive magic numbers! 1573185;1480014859;pete_dushenski;in other god damns, it looks like i managed to give myself acute plantar fasciitis in one foot. apparently one can't just run 9km through river valley trails in stiff trail running shoes after taking a month off. now it's regimented mending lest it become chronic... 1573186;1480014907;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-20#1571563 << agh, this was before scriba started archiving URLs :( 1573187;1480014907;a111;Logged on 2016-11-20 21:48 jhvh1: [gpgram] pete_dushenski http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xyqj7/?raw=true 1573188;1480015236;pete_dushenski;arg. 1573189;1480015498;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/trSax << in other magic numbers, soi-disant 'us bidness skools' take $1mn and divy it up between bitcoin and solidcoin/ethereum for a pretend 5-year investment period. lulz ensue when each team makes videos justifying their choices! 1573190;1480015563;pete_dushenski;tuck school of business at dartmouth is only program to pick >90% btc. fucking maroons at worcester polytechnic institute go 100% eth! 1573191;1480015785;pete_dushenski;shinohai: updated http://bots.contravex.com with !~lookup and !~display :) 1573192;1480015907;pete_dushenski;http://www.studiovieta.com/vilnius-waterfall/ << urban light art for lt'ians, Framedragger 1573193;1480016001;BingoBoingo;"As much as we try to maintain a good relationship with you all, it does get old getting called a pedophile constantly." Huffman added: "Our community team is pretty pissed at me, so I most assuredly won't do this again." << Probably Xtend preview 1573194;1480016499;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: o pretty nice! didn't know that thing was in place there. (my hometown!) 1573195;1480016527;Framedragger;there's a ridiculous "rusted pipe" art installation somewhere not far from that spot, it's pretty derp 1573196;1480016531;Framedragger;these look very nice 1573197;1480016621;pete_dushenski;ya not bad at all eh. the light projection tech is certainly coming into its own. far more appealing and less obnoxious than all the led lighting mussing up building exteriors too. 1573198;1480016991;Framedragger;here in glasgow, there are a few bridges which are lit up with these sorta-monochromic red/green lights, it's nice in the beginning but looks boring after the first five minutes of you being in town. from there on it's sorta obnoxious.. 1573199;1480017017;shinohai;pete_dushenski: will be sure it all gets included in next gpgram. and thx for update, cheers! 1573200;1480017054;shinohai;I forgot there is also an !isup command too ala old gribble 1573201;1480017274;pete_dushenski;oh neat. will add. 1573202;1480017363;pete_dushenski;done! 1573203;1480017563;shinohai;!~isup contravex.com 1573204;1480017563;jhvh1;shinohai: It's just you. contravex.com is up. 1573205;1480017610;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: edmonton recently added a similar set-up to its longest bridge (now suicide-safe! as per http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/24/dont-jump-here/) but with maybe a half-dozen colours and programmable designs. it's actually pretty romantic when it has soft, warm, yellows flowing like the northern lights across the river valley during the long cold winter lights, but the system is readily abused for 1573206;1480017612;pete_dushenski;'politix' eg. french flag colours after paris isis'ing last year. 1573207;1480017761;pete_dushenski;in other freedoms, china asked all uighurs to hand in their passports today. 1573208;1480018001;pete_dushenski;and in other escapes, wilbur 'king of bankruptcy' ross is appointed as commerce sekretary by trump. ross is 78-years-young this day. 1573209;1480018044;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: that sounds very nice, actually. would be amusing to hax0r it, though.. when there's complexity, there's t3rrorism 1573210;1480018400;pete_dushenski;Framedragger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgr99mXlMLc << not best quality but gives you an idea of the variations possible for l33t3orrism. 1573211;1480018636;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i have added more magic numbers to enable your habits 1573212;1480018722;pete_dushenski;you're too kind 1573213;1480018727;pete_dushenski;;P 1573214;1480018864;ben_vulpes;little toy is practically begging for a rewrite. personal hunch in re orbital software development model is that software subject to realtime changing constraints has a ~2 year depreciation schedule 1573215;1480018974;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570665 << phuctor appears to suffer this in spades 1573216;1480018974;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 14:33 asciilifeform: which is why i realized that i am doomed to rewrite it yearly... 1573217;1480019054;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506568 << this being the other extreme 1573218;1480019054;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:51 mircea_popescu: at this point, project either delivers and is done or takes on life of own. if takes on life, then 3. more wizards are added, they slowly asm-ify the loops, inside out. 1573219;1480022494;Framedragger;pete_dushenski: rad! (nice fireworks, too..) the long strip of customizable lights may be able to render nyancat. so there's that! 1573220;1480022635;pete_dushenski;lol 1573221;1480023497;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/WbL6C/?raw=true 1573222;1480023497;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1573223;1480025682;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573190 << i should hope this is fantasy football / imaginary playmoney. 1573224;1480025682;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 19:26 pete_dushenski: tuck school of business at dartmouth is only program to pick >90% btc. fucking maroons at worcester polytechnic institute go 100% eth! 1573225;1480025819;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-24#1573214 << just about. 1573226;1480025819;a111;Logged on 2016-11-24 20:21 ben_vulpes: little toy is practically begging for a rewrite. personal hunch in re orbital software development model is that software subject to realtime changing constraints has a ~2 year depreciation schedule 1573227;1480025912;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: heh it was. what, like anyone actually trusts investment advice from students ? might as well take investment advice from daytrader who looove to lose their shirts 1573228;1480027547;*;pete_dushenski finally, gaily reading 'liberals, what liberals?'. can never have too much log adnotation. 1573229;1480029423;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/new-reddit-ceo-tired-of-being-called-a-pedophile/ << Qntra - New Reddit CEO Tired Of Being Called A Pedophile 1573230;1480029630;Framedragger;"I messed with the "fuck u/spez" comments, replacing "spez" with r/the_donald mods" for srsly 1573231;1480029702;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/2UUEA#selection-1829.1-1829.50 << seminal 'tired' skit via chris rock 1573232;1480030664;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski they gotta learn sometime eh. 1573233;1480030672;mircea_popescu;Framedragger spez ? wut spez ? 1573234;1480030710;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i'm quoting from that qntra article. apparently it's reddit admin or somesuch 1573235;1480030728;mircea_popescu;a 1573236;1480030738;Framedragger;he replaced comments calling him a pedophile with trump subreddit moderator names 1573237;1480030755;Framedragger;pretty lulzy 1573238;1480030763;shinohai;Don't spez out ppl 1573239;1480030798;mircea_popescu;they have a point - reddit is now not really protected by the whatever act. 1573240;1480030853;asciilifeform;lel re oldtimerz reappearing in ruins of #b-a and kako 'helpfully informing' them 'mpex is dead, mp ran with the money' 1573241;1480031023;Framedragger;he didn't say that mp ran with the money. 1573242;1480031116;Framedragger;("went off the deep end" is not a nice thing to say but it doesn't connote with money, usually, i would think.) 1573243;1480031211;pete_dushenski;!~isup loper-os.org 1573244;1480031212;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: It's just you. loper-os.org is up. 1573245;1480031218;asciilifeform;d00d delights in lying by omission also 1573246;1480031247;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it loads here also fwiw. 1573247;1480031364;pete_dushenski;i keep getting forwarded to www.www.loper-os.org lol. wondering if i muntzed the /etc/hosts file or what. 1573248;1480031403;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: little surprise maybe: thing is on dynamic ip... 1573249;1480031429;pete_dushenski;o rite. swamp-ip. 1573250;1480031433;asciilifeform;no 1573251;1480031455;asciilifeform;it is on nfs corp, an ancient shared-vm-thing 1573252;1480031520;asciilifeform;i am loathe to move it, because it has ~100% uptime even under full bore slashdot circa '08, and costs ~0. 1573253;1480031609;asciilifeform;it is the only net thing i have ever touched that worx like the gas line to my house, or like analogue 'pots' phone 1573254;1480031620;asciilifeform;i.e. fucking works 1573255;1480031622;pete_dushenski;!~lookup loper-os.org 1573256;1480031623;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: 208.94.116.204 1573257;1480031625;asciilifeform;24/7/365 1573258;1480031632;asciilifeform;with no excuses 1573259;1480031649;pete_dushenski;there are worse things than 100% uptime 1573260;1480031689;asciilifeform;it will be a decade old soon. 1573261;1480031702;asciilifeform;with 0 major under-hood work. 1573262;1480031754;Framedragger;asciilifeform: on what does it run again? nfs as in network file system, or sth else? 1573263;1480031758;asciilifeform;nono 1573264;1480031759;Framedragger;curious 1573265;1480031771;Framedragger;yeah that didnt seem right but cant think of anything else 1573266;1480031772;asciilifeform;it was/is an ancient isp thing 1573267;1480031777;Framedragger;ahh ok 1573268;1480031784;asciilifeform;nearlyfreespeech co. 1573269;1480031811;Framedragger;ahh! that. those i heard of. they have a nice pricing-by-the-byte system, too, iirc 1573270;1480031814;*;pete_dushenski digging shinohai's new tools 1573271;1480031861;shinohai;More in the worx, juggling those, trb, and eulora mods. 1573272;1480031871;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i unfortunately cannot recommend it any longer, because it is guaranteed to be incompatible with any attemp at 'tmsr dns' or similar 1573273;1480031882;asciilifeform;*attempt 1573274;1480031901;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, because of dynamic ip aspect? 1573275;1480031907;asciilifeform;aha 1573276;1480031925;asciilifeform;and does not permit persistent processes 1573277;1480031938;Framedragger;ah. well those are not always needed 1573278;1480031953;asciilifeform;it's a last-century pure cgi thing 1573279;1480031982;Framedragger;re tmsr dns, in principle don't see why not - it could just as well just update quite often. but not sure if gossipd is taken into account (but then not sure about ip stack either, so..) 1573280;1480032001;asciilifeform;cannot update self 1573281;1480032072;asciilifeform;veeery narrowly single-purpose item. 1573282;1480032130;Framedragger;i guess you are implying a non-centralized tmsr dns, in which case one would still need to route via ip. but there could also be tmsr dht, nodes would gossip about where's key holder A hosting his site B, etc.. but not sure 1573283;1480032138;asciilifeform;it mostly likes to serve static html pages, wordpress barely worx (they give you 1 postgres instance) 1573284;1480032165;Framedragger;amazingly as you said tho, it's ran your wp for 10 years which is just fine. 1573285;1480032173;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it ain't ever running a gossip node or anything that isn't apache for that matter 1573286;1480032175;Framedragger;*it's run 1573287;1480032187;Framedragger;yeah, ok. 1573288;1480032246;asciilifeform;it is great isp for obscure crackpots like asciilifeform, as there is no time charge 1573289;1480032263;asciilifeform;(no monthly/whatever idiocy) 1573290;1480032280;asciilifeform;pay per byte. 1573291;1480032421;BingoBoingo;In other babies are Threat #1 https://twitter.com/oocBlog/status/800534229020856325 1573292;1480032743;BingoBoingo;So a venture called "Smartisan" was this year's late donor "saving" Openbsd 1573293;1480032746;BingoBoingo;http://www.smartisan.com/m1/ 1573294;1480032802;*;asciilifeform does not know cn 1573295;1480032938;*;BingoBoingo doesn't either 1573296;1480033092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyone can do a ;;seen or whatever. 1573297;1480033453;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo turning into a pretty decent scam, like those ny jeweler shops "going out of business" 1573298;1480033535;BingoBoingo;Around here it tends to be flooring shops hawking "liquidation" carpet... until they do inevitabily tell the truth about "last" sale. 1573299;1480033542;mircea_popescu;heh 1573300;1480033566;BingoBoingo;Was a bigger thing in the 90s 1573301;1480033622;shinohai;We have a mattress store that does that here, though I did get a nice Sealy there during going-out-of-business sale #4672 1573302;1480034044;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ << Trilema - Honor Societies vs Respect Societies, or how the Disaster of Commons sunk the Western World 1573303;1480035133;mircea_popescu;!!up yale 1573304;1480035133;deedbot;yale voiced for 30 minutes. 1573305;1480039236;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F61381BCDC1210224E45A6B38A777F1E8EC3D1FAA43B4781F3BA852B66CE68BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2524...3193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.159.226.52 (ssh-rsa key from 62.159.226.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BY) 1573306;1480039236;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06B289FC324E9759BCE3BE4821F8C0A66FE21C9ED0C3F8389CB5960AEE3AD151 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2398...7077 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.17.109.38 (ssh-rsa key from 190.17.109.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (38-109-17-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR) 1573307;1480039500;mircea_popescu;and in other shoelace bootrstrapping, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0d483f183a3706a190dca3a66e564819/tumblr_msdaf7Frtu1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1573308;1480047029;ben_vulpes;now there's a woman not terrifically insecure about her tummy 1573309;1480047063;ben_vulpes;owow organ of corti is alive huh 1573310;1480047079;mircea_popescu;it's incredibly common isn't it 1573311;1480047626;ben_vulpes;the insecuribelli? 1573312;1480047818;ben_vulpes;http://cyber.dealing.ninja/ << not even kidding dns entries cropping up in #b-a 1573313;1480047974;mircea_popescu;myeah 1573314;1480047998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F61381BCDC1210224E45A6B38A777F1E8EC3D1FAA43B4781F3BA852B66CE68BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...1969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.159.226.52 (ssh-rsa key from 62.159.226.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BY) 1573315;1480047998;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06B289FC324E9759BCE3BE4821F8C0A66FE21C9ED0C3F8389CB5960AEE3AD151 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...2563 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '190.17.109.38 (ssh-rsa key from 190.17.109.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (38-109-17-190.fibertel.com.ar. AR) 1573316;1480048013;mircea_popescu;why the heck does it repeat. 1573317;1480048536;ben_vulpes;there are 2 ips there 1573318;1480048591;ben_vulpes;also two factors 1573319;1480049246;mircea_popescu;dun be a noob ben_vulpes ! 1573320;1480049279;asciilifeform;if factor f appears, it follows that it 1) divides some mod, m 2) was not previously in list of factors known to divide some mod, m 1573321;1480049294;asciilifeform;some/any 1573322;1480049371;asciilifeform;the degenerate cases where f == m for some m are annoying but interesting on account of the implications -- there are 3prime debianized mods in there! 1573323;1480049392;asciilifeform;who and why! 1573324;1480049431;asciilifeform;and wtf is 'organ of corti' 1573325;1480049448;asciilifeform;sounds vaguely familiar ( moldbug era? ) 1573326;1480050015;mircea_popescu;god damn it. 1573327;1480050031;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-25#1573305 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-25#1573314 1573328;1480050031;a111;Logged on 2016-11-25 02:00 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F61381BCDC1210224E45A6B38A777F1E8EC3D1FAA43B4781F3BA852B66CE68BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2524...3193 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.159.226.52 (ssh-rsa key from 62.159.226.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BY) 1573329;1480050031;a111;Logged on 2016-11-25 04:26 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F61381BCDC1210224E45A6B38A777F1E8EC3D1FAA43B4781F3BA852B66CE68BE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1481...1969 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.159.226.52 (ssh-rsa key from 62.159.226.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BY) 1573330;1480050043;mircea_popescu;ooo different mods. wowza. 1573331;1480050053;mircea_popescu;so this is basically factored through sharing 1573332;1480050104;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform organ of corti was one of the early miner commentators that both produced a large body of work and wasn't incredibly batshit insane to the point of stabbing his own eyes throughout 1573333;1480062967;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1573334;1480062972;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 730.89, vol: 4707.41553999 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 734.5, vol: 4054.3067 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 730.01, vol: 6562.30642762 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 744.383448, vol: 1757636.98100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 735.896, vol: 1116.80679102 | Volume-weighted last average: 744.266546924 1573335;1480074046;thestringpuller;!~later tell mod6 Hitman Episodes Intro - 6 on sale this weekend. 1573336;1480074047;jhvh1;thestringpuller: The operation succeeded. 1573337;1480078726;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4F5D4E4A022141905342361E91C0A40DCCD216ABE793B5A4090A180A2569639D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2853...1781 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.225.104.151 (ssh-rsa key from 195.225.104.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v1391.vanager.de. DE NW) 1573338;1480079267;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B55EC607F6201FBB186AEED85EBD07449F7C3FE13683C36E06F23343B02BB0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2353...2953 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.106.108.202 (ssh-rsa key from 77.106.108.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU TOM) 1573339;1480079466;mircea_popescu;so i had a router fail it the most amazing manner overnight. it powercycles - turns on, blinks the downstream connections for a second, then power goes off, then back on again. it doesn't look analog at all, like failing power lines, but very much a time-precise cycle, almost as if it's being flooded (which it isn't) or getting whatever magical packet in a loop. 1573340;1480079473;mircea_popescu;anyone seen this before ? 1573341;1480082238;shinohai;J Stofli's diatribe to SEC on why Gemini ETF should not be approved: https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-batsbzx-2016-30/batsbzx201630-20.pdf 1573342;1480082247;shinohai;semi-lulzy 1573343;1480083569;mircea_popescu;dude's a finance expert too nao ? 1573344;1480083764;shinohai;I suppose, perhaps he can fix Brazil's shitty economy next. 1573345;1480083900;mircea_popescu;aww kicking dilma out didn't magically fix anything ? 1573346;1480084228;mircea_popescu;phf http://trilema.com/2011/2022353/ << that look like anything to you ? 1573347;1480086346;phf;you mean beyond what it is? looks like some kind of participation graph, number of comments? 1573348;1480086416;mircea_popescu;yeah. pretty colors. dunno where you're headed with log visualisations... 1573349;1480086425;phf;:) 1573350;1480086428;mircea_popescu;lol 1573351;1480087770;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Nov/76 1573352;1480087835;asciilifeform;'A malicious interaction with the keyctl usermode interface allows an attacker to crash the kernel. Processing the attached certificate by the kernel leads to a kernel nullpointer dereference. This vulnerably can be triggered by any unprivileged user locally.' 1573353;1480087873;asciilifeform;in case anyone ever wondered, while grunting through linux kernel config options, what the nonsensical cryptolade were for 1573354;1480087880;asciilifeform;... it was for this. 1573355;1480087932;mircea_popescu;this in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1571017 no doubt ? 1573356;1480087932;a111;Logged on 2016-11-19 19:18 mircea_popescu: it's a fucking admin interface bridged into the fucking bus, what the everloving shit would it care about your derpy os's notions of "users". as if those fucking EVEN WORK irl. 1573357;1480087959;asciilifeform;nah , pedestrian hole 1573358;1480087988;mircea_popescu;no i mean the "your derpy os's notions of "users". as if those fucking EVEN WORK irl." part of it. 1573359;1480088001;asciilifeform;megatonne of dross that no sane folk use, sitting there only to wait to admit usg tentacle 1573360;1480088019;mircea_popescu;the best proxy to understand the bitcoin wallet notion of "accounts" would be the linux notion of "user". 1573361;1480088029;asciilifeform;ah this , yes 1573362;1480088104;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-25#1573340 << interestingly -- yes. but in that case it was a failing power supply 1573363;1480088104;a111;Logged on 2016-11-25 13:11 mircea_popescu: anyone seen this before ? 1573364;1480088131;asciilifeform;box switched on, undervoltage detector tripped, reset ad infinitum... 1573365;1480088153;mircea_popescu;supply is fine (works on diff identical item). all clues point to "was fed magic packet, patch broken, unit failed to come back" 1573366;1480088186;asciilifeform;also happens 1573367;1480088190;mircea_popescu;and as it sits on a filtered connection, it'd actually has to have been the tru magic packet, w/e that is. 1573368;1480088192;mircea_popescu;ie, in-band 1573369;1480088233;asciilifeform;this one would definitely be a 'extract & post the fw for fuxxsake' occasion 1573370;1480088234;mircea_popescu;possibly the process was unclean and some portion of payload got clobbered at the gates. 1573371;1480088461;asciilifeform;consider sharing the fw ( in-wot, pgpgram ) 1573372;1480088510;mircea_popescu;ima see what's in it later. 1573373;1480089469;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4F5D4E4A022141905342361E91C0A40DCCD216ABE793B5A4090A180A2569639D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1652...8673 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.225.104.151 (ssh-rsa key from 195.225.104.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (v1391.vanager.de. DE NW) 1573374;1480089979;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59B55EC607F6201FBB186AEED85EBD07449F7C3FE13683C36E06F23343B02BB0 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1360...2607 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.106.108.202 (ssh-rsa key from 77.106.108.202 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown RU TOM) 1573375;1480091767;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/LjZTk << today's v. beobachter front page, i shit thee not 1573376;1480091792;asciilifeform;'The flood of “fake news” this election season got support from a sophisticated Russian propaganda campaign that created and spread misleading articles online with the goal of punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy, say independent researchers who tracked the operation.' 1573377;1480091840;BingoBoingo;This week is shaping up to be quite the Xtend 1573378;1480094266;mircea_popescu;apud videodrome (1983) : "north america's getting soft, patron. and the rest of the world is getting tough. very, very tough. we're entering savage new times, and we're going to have to be pure and direct and strong if we're gonna survive them." 1573379;1480094282;mircea_popescu;this, before the obama, and the osama, and even the fall of the wall. 1573380;1480094437;mircea_popescu;lol independent from what, sense ? 1573381;1480097751;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/jin-ling-shi-san-chai/ << Trilema - Jin ling shi san chai 1573382;1480100055;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: p. sure trump and bezos have been at war for years >> http://www.geekwire.com/2016/donald-trump-says-amazon-ceo-jeff-bezos-bought-washington-post-political-influence/ 1573383;1480101974;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://learnbchs.org/index.html 1573384;1480101995;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes possibly might take an interest ^^ 1573385;1480102119;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-25#1573375 << I heard something similar from some derp on NPR last week (as mentioned here by someone, NPR is major libertard rag). "Regulate the herding dogs" is very likely to be a major narrative from the left in the coming era of The Great Again 1573386;1480102119;a111;Logged on 2016-11-25 16:36 asciilifeform: https://archive.is/LjZTk << today's v. beobachter front page, i shit thee not 1573387;1480102923;mircea_popescu;who are the herding dogs in this system ? 1573388;1480103017;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile in well behaved slut news, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a4c163b183721bdd79f33ee8c2651dd0/tumblr_mn6gajO6Pg1ss7itlo1_1280.jpg 1573389;1480103047;lobbes;mircea_popescu: Bookface 'newsfeed algo', or whatever. Where all teh cows are grazing 1573390;1480103062;mircea_popescu;oh 1573391;1480103077;lobbes;at least Derp on radio kept going on about how it was the "CEOs of these social media sites" responsibility to censor these things 1573392;1480103088;lobbes;"to prevent misleading information that impacts elections" 1573393;1480103095;lobbes;lulzy 1573394;1480103105;*;lobbes is off to meatworld 1573395;1480103156;mircea_popescu;aha. seems pretty established by now that they won't yield with their heads attached. 1573396;1480104558;mircea_popescu;and in the more important contributions to human culture of the tor derps, http://www.tor.com/2013/05/06/boob-plate-armor-would-kill-you/ 1573397;1480105160;shinohai;"Information on female armor obtained from My Gaming and Tumblr." 1573398;1480105520;mircea_popescu;the fundamental idiocy of it all you know, "let's retire" x item of fantasy because... it wouldn't work irl. 1573399;1480105538;mircea_popescu;how about let's retire unicorns because no fucking horse could stand an aged female virgin ? 1573400;1480105632;shinohai;diana_coman and hanbot are now at a disadvantage in Eulora >:3 1573401;1480105706;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: working on a c httptron? 1573402;1480105729;ben_vulpes;(hunchentoot uber alles) 1573403;1480106821;phf;let's make a polished website for something that people have been doing for 25 years, but make it purist and impractical #hipsterfree 1573404;1480108058;shinohai;https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N67D8HO 1573405;1480108077;shinohai;^ shipping a box of 6 to BingoBoingo 's house 1573406;1480110510;mircea_popescu;in other news, there's a cute tiny gecko parading around on my hallway ceiling 1573407;1480112893;shinohai;https://safeharbor.export.gov/companyinfo.aspx?loc=eu&id=32997 <<< missed this yesterday for the Qntra 1573408;1480113319;mircea_popescu;what about it ? 1573409;1480113383;shinohai;Expired Wednesday ... as far as I can tell has not been renewed. 1573410;1480113393;mircea_popescu;ah 1573411;1480113537;mircea_popescu;and in today's "shit southern women say" : "are those your legs or are you ridin' a chickn ?" 1573412;1480123400;mircea_popescu;oh btw - people looking for mpex domains can now use mpex.biz mpex.xyz 1573413;1480124008;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB7CABE93DD364F81470B8CE3B4F4814591FE9DB8CC09F71ABA4D7FDB057179F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1942...1671 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.149.70.178 (ssh-rsa key from 93.149.70.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-93-149-70-178.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1573414;1480132027;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski asciilifeform you two are same-second commenters! 1573415;1480133019;mircea_popescu;and in other news holy shit this lamb/lynx gaede couple can't fucking sing. i mean they're horrid even by teen pop standards. 1573416;1480133190;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB7CABE93DD364F81470B8CE3B4F4814591FE9DB8CC09F71ABA4D7FDB057179F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...3263 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.149.70.178 (ssh-rsa key from 93.149.70.178 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (net-93-149-70-178.cust.vodafonedsl.it. IT) 1573417;1480134169;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: lel. what else is a republican to do with a friday evening but practise turning keys at the same time. 1573418;1480134284;pete_dushenski;lamb/lynx gaede << just checked out on yt... simon cowell would have an absolute field day with these twats. they're horrid. 1573419;1480134301;mircea_popescu;this entire "children talent" bs is pretty nutty. 1573420;1480134340;*;mircea_popescu can't recall ever encountering a talented child ; nor a mother who thought her child's untalented. 1573421;1480134341;pete_dushenski;i swear cosby was one of the vanguards of the movement too. "kids say the darndest things" turned into "kids say the only worthwhile thing" 1573422;1480134476;pete_dushenski;in other talents, turns out osxen doesn't like multiple version of python in its .bash_profile. so confuzine! (maybe everyone but pete knew this already but it was minor annoyance for ~10 mins while 'ssh could not be found') 1573423;1480134537;pete_dushenski;it's what i get for trying to wedge 'pygame' onto osxen box. 1573424;1480134641;pete_dushenski;for skool ofc! lab instructor recommended that students not even bother with *nix and just succumb to windows for last two assignments. err no thx. i'd rather just guess what my code is doing and risk failing for lack of test grounds. 1573425;1480134757;mircea_popescu;your assignment is to play games ? 1573426;1480134776;pete_dushenski;to... 'make' 1573427;1480134783;mircea_popescu;ah 1573428;1480135207;pete_dushenski;in still other assignments, just picked up a '09 subaru outback today as a company car to replace '02 lexus is300. parties interested in the shortcomings or highlights of either are welcome to inquire within. if there's sufficient interest, a blog post is also on the table. 1573429;1480135289;BingoBoingo;Anyways there is a solution to the child talent problem which meshes with the honor society. If you allege your child is talented you put their life on the line should they fail to demonstrate talent. If you allege another person's child is talented you put your own life on the line. 1573430;1480135410;mircea_popescu;how about you know, just have another cup of tea instead. 1573431;1480135497;BingoBoingo;Too many children and people who care about them. 1573432;1480135507;BingoBoingo;Gotta maximize problems solved. 1573433;1480135599;mircea_popescu;in other hole maximizing, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfdzw833wN1qzlphbo1_1280.jpg 1573434;1480135615;mircea_popescu;i might have misspelled whore 1573435;1480136730;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/tP1zA << "Overall, people with strong technology skills make up a 5–8% sliver of their country’s population, whatever rich country they may be coming from" where top level is able to complete a task such as “You want to know what percentage of the emails sent by John Smith last month were about sustainability.” 1573436;1480138408;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573424 << what is pete_dushenski studying? 1573437;1480138408;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 04:30 pete_dushenski: for skool ofc! lab instructor recommended that students not even bother with *nix and just succumb to windows for last two assignments. err no thx. i'd rather just guess what my code is doing and risk failing for lack of test grounds. 1573438;1480138450;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573428 << asciilifeform once had a similar one 1573439;1480138450;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 04:40 pete_dushenski: in still other assignments, just picked up a '09 subaru outback today as a company car to replace '02 lexus is300. parties interested in the shortcomings or highlights of either are welcome to inquire within. if there's sufficient interest, a blog post is also on the table. 1573440;1480138492;asciilifeform;alternator failed in traffic 1573441;1480138504;asciilifeform;otherwise great machine 1573442;1480138801;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: course is labeled 'introduction to computing science' but is lulzily little more than 'introduction to computing science as it relates to python' 1573443;1480138884;asciilifeform;wai is there a computer involved 1573444;1480138935;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski oughta ask for his money back 1573445;1480139045;pete_dushenski;what's your definition of computer ? cray ? 1573446;1480139060;pete_dushenski;in this case, yes, refund required 1573447;1480139317;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 'computer science' is taught with chalk 1573448;1480139560;pete_dushenski;and 1970s hair ofc. 1573449;1480139586;*;pete_dushenski undoes manbun, unfurls jewfro in preparation. 1573450;1480142564;mircea_popescu;!~later tell diana_coman what was hitler's favourite vegetable ? 1573451;1480142565;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded. 1573452;1480143393;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/adnotated-weird/ << Trilema - Adnotated weird 1573453;1480147519;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ? I have no idea on the topic 1573454;1480165028;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/890C2C8C6B66569BD9F6AF95FB2FA94B64B7991CB151ED0BA42E9FD6821AC909 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1793...3067 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.171.20.14 (ssh-rsa key from 217.171.20.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (articque.creaweb.fr. FR) 1573455;1480165375;mircea_popescu;diana_coman arde-i iute. 1573456;1480165599;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9FCFE4500014205F1296AA168FEA556A1CC5EF8A61E6FF324330A2D804784156 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1550...2677 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.204.196.156 (ssh-rsa key from 41.204.196.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZA) 1573457;1480165638;shinohai;!~display 41.204.196.156 1573458;1480165638;jhvh1;shinohai: {'city': 'Somerset West', 'region_name': '11', 'longitude': 18.849999999999994, 'country_code3': 'ZAF', 'latitude': -34.08330000000001, 'postal_code': None, 'country_code': 'ZA', 'country_name': 'South Africa'} 1573459;1480170730;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ << Trilema - An immodest proposal 1573460;1480171606;mircea_popescu;that sad sad day when you discover bugs in financial documentation. http://www.oxfordfutures.com/docs/Handsignals.pdf << page 4 bottom figure, they printed it backwards. 500 is on left 700 on right. 1573461;1480173160;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/890C2C8C6B66569BD9F6AF95FB2FA94B64B7991CB151ED0BA42E9FD6821AC909 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1457...8987 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.171.20.14 (ssh-rsa key from 217.171.20.14 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (articque.creaweb.fr. FR) 1573462;1480173161;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9FCFE4500014205F1296AA168FEA556A1CC5EF8A61E6FF324330A2D804784156 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1406...4027 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '41.204.196.156 (ssh-rsa key from 41.204.196.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown ZA) 1573463;1480174679;mircea_popescu;and in other haberdasherial diversity, http://new3.fjcdn.com/comments/Benedicto+rolled+a+random+image+posted+in+comment+160+at+_f240d6069365bc5b2e0a272d69e52a10.jpg 1573464;1480175262;mircea_popescu;oh, fidel castro finally kicked it. 1573465;1480175349;shinohai;Isn't there a decrufted version of gpg floating around on deedbot somewhere? apt wants to install this gpg2 garbage despite my best efforts 1573466;1480175492;mircea_popescu;i dunno that there is. you should prolly be able to install 1.x branch manually, autoinstalls are shitty like that. 1573467;1480176206;mircea_popescu;anyway, if anyone's keeping track, the "kow towing" must've not went all too well, because "the editorial board" of the nyt decided for the you know, "independents", "liberals" and the rest of the us red army that the correct approach is to try and impeach trump through the emoluments clause, sometime in 2018ish. 1573468;1480176214;mircea_popescu;which altogether should be fun to watch. 1573469;1480176347;mircea_popescu;(for the record, that's james bennet, terry tang, robert semple jr, linda cohn, vikas bajaj, francis x clines, lawrence downes, carol giacomo, mira kamdar, ernesto londono, anna north, serge schmemann, brent staples, teresa tritch, jesse wegman and elizabeth williamson.) 1573470;1480176441;mircea_popescu;most of which are on twitter, where they're uniquely unpopular, come to think of it. 1573471;1480177351;mircea_popescu;oh, and the indian plan to fuck up the circulating cash failed ; and will probably be the end of modi and his idiotic party. 1573472;1480177452;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA922C4231F27162C0AAEFE533A7543F56F959104E31050E35589D2F75920A4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1387...8623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.100.150.245 (ssh-rsa key from 198.100.150.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.enov.ca. CA QC) 1573473;1480177591;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573466 << there is! posted by no less than mircea_popescu ! 1573474;1480177591;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 15:51 mircea_popescu: i dunno that there is. you should prolly be able to install 1.x branch manually, autoinstalls are shitty like that. 1573475;1480177615;mircea_popescu;ah, i did post one didn't i. 1573476;1480177640;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1523719 1573477;1480177640;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 01:42 asciilifeform: first, you will need mircea_popescu's gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz. 1573478;1480177664;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-16#1300489 << 1573479;1480177664;a111;Logged on 2015-10-16 13:35 assbot: Logged on 10-10-2015 12:08:05; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc 1573480;1480177732;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312579 << see also phunphakt 1573481;1480177732;a111;Logged on 2015-10-31 15:07 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu didja know that it is impossible to produce a v-genesis for gnupg-1.4.10 ? it contains unprintable turds, yes ! e.g., the idiot 'localizators', po/*.gmo 1573482;1480177790;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573465 << there is inly a decrufted mpi (bignum) from it, it is on my www 1573483;1480177790;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 15:49 shinohai: Isn't there a decrufted version of gpg floating around on deedbot somewhere? apt wants to install this gpg2 garbage despite my best efforts 1573484;1480177796;asciilifeform;*only a 1573485;1480177859;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-10#1295983 and http://deedbot.org/deed-378272-1.txt 1573486;1480177859;a111;Logged on 2015-10-10 12:08 mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/gnupg-1.4.10.tar.gz.asc 1573487;1480177878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's absolutely no way that crap should make it in a v root anyway. 1573488;1480177883;asciilifeform;koch's shitball per se is written in such a way that the cruft is glued on with broken glass (all the ciphers are modularized in very gnarly multilayered way, whole thing relies through and through on his weirdo streams thing, 1,001 idiocies) 1573489;1480177901;mircea_popescu;hey, a clean rsa implementation is very much needed. 1573490;1480177920;mircea_popescu;"oh we can't use cs, no cs implementation exists" "orly ? guess what - no rsa implementation exists either!" 1573491;1480177927;asciilifeform;btw rsa only needs 1 op, modular exp 1573492;1480177952;asciilifeform;it is ~key generation~ that needs rest of bignum 1573493;1480178069;shinohai;Thanks asciilifeform ! 1573494;1480178097;asciilifeform;shinohai: keep in mind, 1.4.10 has the prng crud 1573495;1480178125;asciilifeform;and also lacks the radio noise reduction patch 1573496;1480178126;mircea_popescu;you are advised to generate the keys yourself. 1573497;1480178161;asciilifeform;well no shit 'generate yourself' but ~with what~ 1573498;1480178203;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1573499;1480178213;trinque;with the RNG asciilifeform is going to sell me 1573500;1480178223;asciilifeform;i will point out, at no point afaik has anyone fucked up modexp. it is keygen that is the gnarly and diddled part 1573501;1480178301;*;mircea_popescu goes digging for that rsa key spec... 1573502;1480178469;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 1573503;1480178469;a111;Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258)); 1573504;1480178528;asciilifeform;we had thread 1573505;1480178549;mircea_popescu;aha. 1573506;1480178550;asciilifeform;i dun like including hashes in keygen. they create bit-sequential correlation 1573507;1480178579;mircea_popescu;yeah, it probably should be restated. the important point is the fixed bitsize. 1573508;1480178603;asciilifeform;notice the several ways koch fucked it 1573509;1480178616;mircea_popescu;yes. that noticing is what led to that discussion. 1573510;1480178616;asciilifeform;('set 2 upper...') 1573511;1480178624;asciilifeform;ah yes 1573512;1480179213;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : the opposite of the dependopotamus exists. http://www.thenaturalmommy.com/wives-of-perpetual-students/ 1573513;1480179219;mircea_popescu;they call themselves wops. 1573514;1480179752;mircea_popescu;"We have televisions in our house, we just stopped paying for the service around 2006. Was it a coincidence that we soured on television viewing in the same months we had just finished filming our own debut on HGTV? Probably not, if you've read my explanations of the aftermath. Being on "reality TV" after an intense week of acting made my favorite shows lose the glitz I'd viewed them with. But that wasn't the only reason. 1573515;1480179752;mircea_popescu; Really, the big one was money. When $50 a month is critical to survival you know it ain't the time for that. So we got through our 10 years of law school, money pit foreclosure...and finally on the other side debt eliminated, lifestyle downsized, we are ready to jump in again." << probably the best in the lot. "reality tv stars" / 10 years of lawschool can't afford 50 bux. AMERICA! and do you know what comes right after ? 1573516;1480179754;mircea_popescu;"Well, not ready...we are already in. We got satellite service last week. The technology is grand. DVR's recording up to 5 things at once! Turning it on to find a list of your favorite shows you can binge on in order!" 1573517;1480179759;mircea_popescu;that's it. 1573518;1480185093;phf;"what would you do if you had a million dollars? -- i'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man." 1573519;1480186857;mircea_popescu;heh 1573520;1480187789;mircea_popescu;and in other news, a... bar. http://68.media.tumblr.com/95befa3bb9c2e4fac4f3dfb4a94b23e6/tumblr_mrxj9415lX1sfcru6o1_1280.jpg 1573521;1480189580;trinque;phf: is there a way to link to the list of trb patches signed by a given key? 1573522;1480189656;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-21#1571802 << 1573523;1480189656;a111;Logged on 2016-11-21 06:24 mircea_popescu: and to phf's v viewer, idem ? 1573524;1480189681;trinque;actually not just trb, all seals would be nice. 1573525;1480189688;trinque;iirc you threw my botstuff up there too 1573526;1480192329;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573450 << i demand a punchline! 1573527;1480192329;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 06:42 mircea_popescu: !~later tell diana_coman what was hitler's favourite vegetable ? 1573528;1480192349;mircea_popescu;it's later on ;/ 1573529;1480192354;mircea_popescu;mah punchline ;/ 1573530;1480192393;hanbot;oh oh. hot peppers? 1573531;1480192402;mircea_popescu;:p 1573532;1480192609;diana_coman;heh, yeah, arde-i iute 1573533;1480195606;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/11/26/we-know-who-steve-bannon-is-but-who-was-thomas-cromwell/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - We know who Steve Bannon is… but who was Thomas Cromwell? 1573534;1480198800;mircea_popescu;!!up MDude 1573535;1480198801;deedbot;MDude voiced for 30 minutes. 1573536;1480198847;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the slut party, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lard124fV41qzw9y2o1_1280.jpg 1573537;1480201599;asciilifeform;in other noose, 'Last block: 3 days 10 hours ago (Block 440210)' << bitbet.us 1573538;1480201865;shinohai;!~blocks 1573539;1480201866;jhvh1;shinohai: 440733 1573540;1480201873;shinohai;lel 1573541;1480204104;phf;(btcbase temporary hosed, i messed something up in routing) 1573542;1480204813;phf;(... and back) 1573543;1480204960;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573521 << something like http://btcbase.org/patches-by/trinque 1573544;1480204960;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 19:46 trinque: phf: is there a way to link to the list of trb patches signed by a given key? 1573545;1480205012;phf;i can also do it by an fp, but recent conversation about fp vs nick vs "key" 1573546;1480205649;mircea_popescu;the nick/fp/key equivalency holds so far. 1573547;1480205677;mircea_popescu;in principle can index by any of the three for new software / maintain current association for extant software, and be ready to migrate when we finally have a proper gns 1573548;1480207842;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573515 << dafuq was this ..? 1573549;1480207842;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 17:02 mircea_popescu: Really, the big one was money. When $50 a month is critical to survival you know it ain't the time for that. So we got through our 10 years of law school, money pit foreclosure...and finally on the other side debt eliminated, lifestyle downsized, we are ready to jump in again." << probably the best in the lot. "reality tv stars" / 10 years of lawschool can't afford 50 bux. AMERICA! and do you know what comes right after ? 1573550;1480207854;mircea_popescu;wop. 1573551;1480207860;asciilifeform;50 'critical' where, namibia? 1573552;1480207865;mircea_popescu;us. 1573553;1480207874;mircea_popescu;o this is rich 1573554;1480207887;mircea_popescu; http://archive.is/jyVHr << isis "drone factory" 1573555;1480207944;asciilifeform;lul!!! model mig25! 1573556;1480207950;mircea_popescu;"shells that were artificially created" takes the cake. it's not just that putin doesn't understand how the world works - it's that the one true socialism is the only NATURAL producer of artefacts 1573557;1480207950;asciilifeform;with the split tail 1573558;1480207985;asciilifeform;eh hey hey everybuddy knows that good people use natural shells 1573559;1480208008;asciilifeform;lemons from the лимонка tree 1573560;1480208510;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/605502ADB70925912ECED45B4169DCB9B0DA61D3F35BE854E4B1A9DB33452417 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2472...8789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.105.111 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.105.111 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sws-musicshop.de. DE BE) 1573561;1480208510;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FAAFDDED69985F8A3F10AF245A66C20DA44C4897A876C7701AB4404AABA2204 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2526...9689 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.226.173.67 (ssh-rsa key from 109.226.173.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BB) 1573562;1480208510;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA922C4231F27162C0AAEFE533A7543F56F959104E31050E35589D2F75920A4D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2112...6339 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.100.150.245 (ssh-rsa key from 198.100.150.245 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.enov.ca. CA QC) 1573563;1480218802;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all 1573564;1480218809;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 724.89, vol: 2725.35540014 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 730.0, vol: 2864.32864 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 726.82, vol: 4273.31117835 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 740.36646, vol: 1004548.39860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 729.806, vol: 783.52671057 | Volume-weighted last average: 740.230491586 1573565;1480220574;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FAAFDDED69985F8A3F10AF245A66C20DA44C4897A876C7701AB4404AABA2204 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1579...8723 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '109.226.173.67 (ssh-rsa key from 109.226.173.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown DE BB) 1573566;1480220574;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2BC32C93E2CCD68BD6B50936177E24EFB482DB894713D1D9193F41CEA2AB7B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1178...9039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.174.104.41 (ssh-rsa key from 93.174.104.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (services.euclides.nl. NL) 1573567;1480220574;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/605502ADB70925912ECED45B4169DCB9B0DA61D3F35BE854E4B1A9DB33452417 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1487...5317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.214.105.111 (ssh-rsa key from 85.214.105.111 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (sws-musicshop.de. DE BE) 1573568;1480220754;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-sex-teens-edition-tmr-fake-news-becomes-meme/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend Sex Teens Edition (TM)(R) – Fake News Becomes Meme 1573569;1480220873;BingoBoingo;^ A bit meater because sorta stuff happened but didn't really hit the father of Kim K's children test for getting own headlines 1573570;1480221531;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1573571;1480221532;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 440771 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 732 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 15 hours, 53 minutes, and 53 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1573572;1480222462;mircea_popescu;lol "green party" gets 3x more money to "recount" than it got to campaign ? aww. 1573573;1480222780;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Fearing that rednecks could beat then up if they take the fight to them" << moar clarity of prose is needed yo! 1573574;1480222798;mircea_popescu;i mean srsly, avoid them repetition by respelling them as then ? 1573575;1480222861;ben_vulpes;yeah artificial shells gave me a great lol 1573576;1480222939;BingoBoingo;shit, ty fxd 1573577;1480223052;BingoBoingo;Watch green party use surplus funds to promote natural shells in warfare. Clams and conchs as strategic assets. 1573578;1480223374;ben_vulpes;ballistic crabs! 1573579;1480223532;mircea_popescu;& crabtastic balls 1573580;1480224052;BingoBoingo;How long does it take for a conch to grow a shell capable of holding 8 ounces of RDX and 1 pound of ball bearings? - Test question at Green Party War College 1573581;1480224991;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the fumoir http://68.media.tumblr.com/2befc2f9528dd78498f166cc5efc6fe1/tumblr_mrjn0chOmH1sfbipeo1_1280.jpg 1573582;1480230398;mats;http://www.businessinsider.com/us-rental-market-analysis-2016-11 << 'Rents are plunging in the most expensive markets', via hn 1573583;1480231504;ben_vulpes;portland behind the curve as always 1573584;1480233248;mats;http://realestate.wharton.upenn.edu/research/papers.php?paper=558 << seen in the hn comments 1573585;1480251962;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2BC32C93E2CCD68BD6B50936177E24EFB482DB894713D1D9193F41CEA2AB7B1 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1307...6977 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.174.104.41 (ssh-rsa key from 93.174.104.41 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (services.euclides.nl. NL) 1573586;1480252464;mircea_popescu;lmao euclides.nl is a b2b automation solutions provider. ima qntra 1573587;1480253043;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A30CCCA6DF9D111600647A6F1A86AC210A6C516FD3C2EAD67BE409080648C2AC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1711...1529 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.170.143.91 (ssh-rsa key from 193.170.143.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.pi-linz.ac.at. AT) 1573588;1480253043;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B2EF6C36A8EC29E5F7E0BE1EEA9C8F396ABC13F484CED1F381A3672D8EED313 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2255...7411 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.191.251.188 (ssh-rsa key from 222.191.251.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 32) 1573589;1480253043;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DEAE1211A88944AFCF23A294A3F9796A530353FA07C977207B6400790C7EF3DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1452...6473 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.168.86.130 (ssh-rsa key from 81.168.86.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (darkstar.aceshells.com. GB) 1573590;1480253979;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/P5fGi/?raw=true 1573591;1480254111;mircea_popescu;plox to use http://euclides.nl/media/k2/items/cache/19f9cefdfb07230a68581d617885a3af_XL.jpg as an illustration 1573592;1480255529;mircea_popescu;how goes danielpbarron 1573593;1480255679;danielpbarron;it goes alright 1573594;1480256377;mircea_popescu;cool. 1573595;1480257844;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/anchorman-the-legend-of-ron-burgundy/ << Trilema - Anchorman : The Legend of Ron Burgundy 1573596;1480262915;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A30CCCA6DF9D111600647A6F1A86AC210A6C516FD3C2EAD67BE409080648C2AC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1614...9203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.170.143.91 (ssh-rsa key from 193.170.143.91 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (mail.pi-linz.ac.at. AT) 1573597;1480262915;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B2EF6C36A8EC29E5F7E0BE1EEA9C8F396ABC13F484CED1F381A3672D8EED313 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1446...3383 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '222.191.251.188 (ssh-rsa key from 222.191.251.188 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown CN 32) 1573598;1480262915;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DEAE1211A88944AFCF23A294A3F9796A530353FA07C977207B6400790C7EF3DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1437...4797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '81.168.86.130 (ssh-rsa key from 81.168.86.130 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (darkstar.aceshells.com. GB) 1573599;1480276119;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-conundrums-of-the-contemporaneous-financier/ << Trilema - The conundrums of the contemporaneous financier 1573600;1480277119;mircea_popescu;in other lolz : sf mass transit system hacked (randomware) 1573601;1480277198;shinohai;In even more lolz, ETH has been dumped down to sub $9 levels today 1573602;1480277228;mircea_popescu;awww 1573603;1480277242;mircea_popescu;but it had big blocks! and democracy! and consensus! AND IT SCALED! 1573604;1480279841;mod6;trinque: solid job on the wot graph, Sir. 1573605;1480279987;trinque;an update with search and a few other things is going up later. 1573606;1480280039;*;trinque is hacking on that thing this fine afternoon. 1573607;1480280357;mod6;o7 1573608;1480280762;shinohai;I was hacking around with a bash function so I could view wot in w3m, was driving me crazy until I realized wot.deedbot.com doesn't recognize fingerprints in all caps 1573609;1480280779;shinohai;*wot.deedbot.org 1573610;1480280883;trinque;the html files are in fact just files, so yes, caps matter. 1573611;1480280913;trinque;I am going to write up my approach to static HTML websites after I reach a good rev 1 point with the WoT browser. 1573612;1480280981;shinohai;it was no big deal, just had to add `tr '[:upper:]' '[:lower:]' ` to end of the function 1573613;1480281179;trinque;the FPs are in all caps though ? 1573614;1480281277;shinohai;yes I am using `gpg --with-colons --fingerprint $1 | awk -F: '$1 == "fpr" {print $10;}'| head -n1 ` to get the fingerprint 1573615;1480281331;trinque;http://wot.deedbot.org/FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4.html << capitalized 1573616;1480281336;shinohai;and so far mircea_popescu 's key always returns "gpg: error reading key: public key not found" for some damned reason 1573617;1480281417;shinohai;http://wot.deedbot.org/260FA57BCE677A5C04BF60BA4A75883CC1B1D34C.html <<< 404 1573618;1480281475;trinque;what key is that 1573619;1480281518;shinohai;mine 1573620;1480281533;shinohai;but http://wot.deedbot.org/260fa57bce677a5c04bf60ba4a75883cc1b1d34c.html worx 1573621;1480281551;trinque;ah looks like the db isn't totally normalized 1573622;1480281577;trinque;heh, this is why I post things early. thanks shinohai 1573623;1480281604;trinque;discovered the keybindings yet? 1573624;1480281662;shinohai;keybindings? 1573625;1480281721;trinque;ctrl-/ jumps to search, ctrl-1 through 9 jumps to that search result, enter does top search result 1573626;1480281765;trinque;adding index pages by letter now, for the javascript averse 1573627;1480281923;shinohai;ah kk 1573628;1480282334;phf;trinque: that's a nifty wot explorer. are you spitting html from common lisp or some other tech? 1573629;1480282502;trinque;xhtmlambda based solely on that it has yet to offend me, then cl-graph and graphviz for the svg 1573630;1480283162;phf;ah, i guess main advantage of xhtmlambda over cl-who is that it preserves indentation 1573631;1480289187;mircea_popescu;http://wot.deedbot.org/260fa57bce677a5c04bf60ba4a75883cc1b1d34c.html << i get 404 1573632;1480289229;phf;oddly enough i don't 1573633;1480289324;shinohai;me neither weird 1573634;1480289360;mircea_popescu;hm. is it a diff ip from deedbot ? 1573635;1480289382;phf;yes 1573636;1480289382;mircea_popescu;ah apparentlky 1573637;1480289443;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/and-in-other-unhappenings-today/ << Qntra - And In Other Unhappenings Today 1573638;1480289446;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu for the great lulz 1573639;1480289492;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo sure thing! 1573640;1480289495;shinohai;yes good qntra :D 1573641;1480290029;shinohai;!!up DontCryRebuy 1573642;1480290029;deedbot;DontCryRebuy voiced for 30 minutes. 1573643;1480290068;DontCryRebuy;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Z9EM8/?raw=true 1573644;1480290070;deedbot;0BA40B4C83AD99856352F28416043A7DAF7CE046 registered as DontCryRebuy. 1573645;1480290220;mircea_popescu;you get 101 q 59 1573646;1480290223;mircea_popescu;i mixed accidentally. 1573647;1480290255;mircea_popescu;cheers. 1573648;1480290275;shinohai;o/ 1573649;1480294242;asciilifeform;https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2016-November/082350.html << meanwhile, in heathendom.. 1573650;1480294352;mircea_popescu;heh 1573651;1480296281;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can have blockquote for the deedbot bit plox ? 1573652;1480297455;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1972A5CEF04DAC935C5E495BE812A87C3B096A09E6409544C5651202754D80D2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2319...5693 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.193.247.114 (ssh-rsa key from 82.193.247.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (114.247.193.82.ediscom.de. DE) 1573653;1480297455;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5507336BEA1F72E816A1950D60C7C807F0A9E745B4967B86BE48B476A75190DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1489...0057 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '97.68.61.236 (ssh-rsa key from 97.68.61.236 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (97-68-61-236.biz.bhn.net. US FL) 1573654;1480297827;shinohai;https://blockchain.info/tx/07e5bcbb823e2fde467ee451b47d4dba32d4eb76e671e68499bba14346cf858c?show_adv=true <<< Someone dislikes Bahamas in the OP_RETURN graffiti 1573655;1480300143;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd 1573656;1480300151;mircea_popescu;nono, ty 1573657;1480300664;shinohai;Now SF subway hacker is demanding 100 btc ... it was mircea_popescu that did it to pay for ecu. 1573658;1480300678;BingoBoingo;In other overlookeds the suckless people released an iso of their distro, 34 MB iso image http://sta.li/ 1573659;1480300717;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Nah, it was a constipated goat looking to buy brambles 1573660;1480302340;mircea_popescu;shinohai interesting coincidence n'est pas ? 1573661;1480302386;shinohai;si pues 1573662;1480302550;shinohai;Was checking out stali ... iso seems to have no documentation on what user login is 1573663;1480302635;shinohai;well root and no pass gets you in apparently 1573664;1480302637;BingoBoingo;What user login? 1573665;1480302671;BingoBoingo;Why would there be a default other than blank? 1573666;1480302744;*;mircea_popescu likes the suckless philosophy. 1573667;1480302750;BingoBoingo;The point is your will, not Africa's be done, so you configure the everything. 1573668;1480302792;BingoBoingo;needless to say don't install the iso on an internet connected machine to "fix later". Make fresh iso. 1573669;1480303067;shinohai;nah I'd build it from source instead 1573670;1480303095;BingoBoingo;On what Africa? 1573671;1480303115;shinohai;I guess under a debian 1573672;1480303135;shinohai;http://sta.li/build 1573673;1480303688;mircea_popescu;and in other dorm rooms, http://68.media.tumblr.com/3f8d1f15ddbe8cbfbf00001c8d165405/tumblr_ogqo24PYpT1uref50o1_1280.jpg 1573674;1480303777;asciilifeform;'; git clone http://git.sta.li/toolchain' << lel sucking not so less even before buildtime!! 1573675;1480304284;BingoBoingo;Eh, they haven't discovered everything better about building in one letter. 1573676;1480304308;mircea_popescu;http://www.romania-insider.com/romanian-in-conflict-with-italian-space-agency-over-failed-mars-mission/ << drama, rocketry, italian industrial ambitions, what could be better for lulz. 1573677;1480304561;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, the whole eu zone agitprop is ever so impressed at how romania is the only eeuropean country where the euroskeptics/nativists/etc "have yet to make inroads". this much is true. what is also true is that since 2007 (when it joined) romania received 39bn and paid 13bn; the net is over 26bn. this comes to about 1300 euro / capita over almost a decade. minimum wage in romania is ~0.73 eur/hour, or about 1700 eu 1573678;1480304561;mircea_popescu;r pa. 1573679;1480304679;mircea_popescu;this may seem pretty steep a price for the eucucks to buy some friends ; but one should consider things in perspective : the much weaker friendliness of the iraquis (50% more people) cost the uscucks at least 30 times as much. 1573680;1480304994;BingoBoingo;I bet they even get more of their wimmin fucked by Romanians too! B+ cuckolding 1573681;1480305203;mircea_popescu;mebbe. tbh the ro chicks are pretty cunthungry, so i'm not sure how the balance comes out. 1573682;1480305295;BingoBoingo;Uncuntable cuckcess 1573683;1480306007;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1972A5CEF04DAC935C5E495BE812A87C3B096A09E6409544C5651202754D80D2 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1495...3579 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '82.193.247.114 (ssh-rsa key from 82.193.247.114 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (114.247.193.82.ediscom.de. DE) 1573684;1480306007;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5507336BEA1F72E816A1950D60C7C807F0A9E745B4967B86BE48B476A75190DB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1349...0523 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '97.68.61.236 (ssh-rsa key from 97.68.61.236 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (97-68-61-236.biz.bhn.net. US FL) 1573685;1480309038;mircea_popescu;!!up fd_travel 1573686;1480309039;deedbot;fd_travel voiced for 30 minutes. 1573687;1480309067;*;fd_travel unexpectedly in seoul 1573688;1480309088;fd_travel;(so plans to work on $tmsrstuff pushed back by ~week) :p 1573689;1480309101;mircea_popescu;found a hot chick ? 1573690;1480309114;fd_travel;i wish.. though chicks are pretty hawt here 1573691;1480309117;fd_travel;i think 1573692;1480309130;fd_travel;i haven't seem much, i'm in this hackaton and we're rushing 1573693;1480309140;mircea_popescu;o hey. anything cool ? 1573694;1480309242;fd_travel;well.... asian banks are funding folks to try out stuff with 'open bank project' (standardized APIs between banks for developing apps), they want to make use of that api project 1573695;1480309254;fd_travel;so there are teams trying to develop stuff using those APIs 1573696;1480309277;fd_travel;will tell later if we have anything interesting, it's a total caffeine-infused rush right nao :D 1573697;1480309324;fd_travel;(we have this plan to have a 'roboadviser' show user (we find net worth of user from bank accts, hey it's not a realistic demo) which properties he can buy in $area) 1573698;1480309342;fd_travel;(extrapolate furture prices / recommendations using time series from past historical sales, etc etc) 1573699;1480309365;fd_travel;i dunno. i mean i haven't been to asia before, 'twas an opportunity out of nowhere, why not :) 1573700;1480309467;mircea_popescu;:p 1573701;1480309486;mircea_popescu;just make sure you talk to the girlies. 1573702;1480309680;BingoBoingo;Joshua-I: Stranger need to introduce themselve in channel before private conversations are possible 1573703;1480309684;mircea_popescu;!!up Joshua-I 1573704;1480309685;deedbot;Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes. 1573705;1480309714;Joshua-I;Thanks a lot 1573706;1480309733;mircea_popescu;aha. 1573707;1480309736;mircea_popescu;!!key Joshua-I 1573708;1480309738;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/46W0E/?raw=true 1573709;1480309766;BingoBoingo;First order of business Joshua-I, Who is your daddy and what does he do? 1573710;1480309777;Joshua-I;Was thinking of an writing an article for qntra just wondering what the process for that is 1573711;1480309793;Joshua-I;Catches helicopters on the fly I suppose 1573712;1480309812;mircea_popescu;process is like this http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-27#1573590 1573713;1480309812;a111;Logged on 2016-11-27 13:39 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/P5fGi/?raw=true 1573714;1480309870;BingoBoingo;see http://trilema.com/2015/lacessiveram-editor/ 1573715;1480309918;Joshua-I;#2 closed the deal for me hah 1573716;1480309987;Joshua-I;Concerning #3 if I know an expert who can review said information is everything square? 1573717;1480310012;Joshua-I;Under acceptable content 1573718;1480310058;mircea_popescu;is this expert in the wot ? 1573719;1480310112;Joshua-I;Realized the answer as I hit enter 1573720;1480310118;mircea_popescu;win. 1573721;1480310186;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo rereading that god damn that's a kickass manual. 1573722;1480310228;Joshua-I;As efficient as Hemingway 1573723;1480310316;mircea_popescu;lacesso, roughly "to batter" 1573724;1480310390;Joshua-I;Although, define 'expert' 1573725;1480310406;Joshua-I;People have different notions of that one 1573726;1480310462;BingoBoingo;Well, what do they claim to be an expert on? 1573727;1480310478;Joshua-I;Political science 1573728;1480310517;mircea_popescu;considering it costs little to submit, do it and see what happens i guess. 1573729;1480310535;mircea_popescu;if it gets rejected and that pisses you off, you can always publish on your own blog. 1573730;1480310628;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski incidentally obsequious means pretty much the opposite of what you need it to mean 1573731;1480310647;BingoBoingo;relatit http://oglaf.com/therack/ 1573732;1480310704;Joshua-I;I figured I would do exactly such mircea_popescu regardless 1573733;1480310758;Joshua-I;Why do I think of Rome when reading this comic 1573734;1480310799;mircea_popescu;ok the lemons one is pretty great 1573735;1480311188;Joshua-I;When I've pgpd the message where do I send it? 1573736;1480311223;mircea_popescu;link it to bb 1573737;1480311497;BingoBoingo;like he did 1573738;1480311505;BingoBoingo;!!Up Joshua-I 1573739;1480311505;deedbot;Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes. 1573740;1480311572;BingoBoingo;You have a limited number of minutes to submit before consideration is put on hold due to sleep 1573741;1480311601;Joshua-I;Don't worry, I'll send it another time; I've been drinkin' 1573742;1480311611;Joshua-I;Just wanted to get the details 1573743;1480311622;BingoBoingo;!~step1 1573744;1480311622;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 1573745;1480311820;Joshua-I;Quite familiar 1573746;1480311892;BingoBoingo;Well, then drink more 1573747;1480311916;Joshua-I;I do have some nice scotch I will top the night off with 1573748;1480311926;Joshua-I;What's your timezone so I have a feeling? 1573749;1480311934;Joshua-I;(PST here) 1573750;1480311974;Joshua-I;(nvm I remembered how to irc) 1573751;1480312217;Joshua-I;Alright back to the party. I'll see you cats later 1573752;1480314076;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub 1573753;1480314076;mircea_popescu;dued ? 1573754;1480339016;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA4BD8B74F8998EB8F30FF2AF6220CC4737690B0DE5A4F7A108E809F5B2306BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2804...2849 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.98 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-98-c112.conmet.it. IT) 1573755;1480339526;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/85E4C3CE8ADEC624CE11EE2085906F70EFF7563EF4FDEAC5EE64ABA8E194F9F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1614...9203 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '193.170.143.97 (ssh-rsa key from 193.170.143.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (teacheradsl4397.eduhi.at. AT) 1573756;1480342408;mircea_popescu;and in other musics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szNJ6DqrqoA 1573757;1480346357;mod6;mornin' 1573758;1480346608;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FA4BD8B74F8998EB8F30FF2AF6220CC4737690B0DE5A4F7A108E809F5B2306BF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1629...2343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.188.112.98 (ssh-rsa key from 93.188.112.98 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ip-98-c112.conmet.it. IT) 1573759;1480346644;mircea_popescu;hola mod6 1573760;1480346668;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/ << Trilema - Minigame is probably never going to support Python 3. 1573761;1480349284;asciilifeform;http://www.catherynnemvalente.com/the-beasts-who-fought-for-fairyland << in other eldritch horrors. 1573762;1480349301;hanbot;r/python doesn't like your latest mircea_popescu 1573763;1480349351;mircea_popescu;that comes as a shock! 1573764;1480349411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the momeny they lead with "X is a nyt bestselling author" you know it's going to be pretty far out there. 1573765;1480349524;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: subj is not 'bestselling author', but a crackpot well-known to asciilifeform and even met in meat. 1573766;1480349525;mircea_popescu;in other news, trilema acceess log for this month is 1.2 gigabytes or about 6mn lines. this web thingee certainly came a long way. 1573767;1480349530;mircea_popescu;ah really ? 1573768;1480349534;asciilifeform;aha. 1573769;1480349805;asciilifeform;( the chick technically is 'best selling author', she is one of the many folx who pulled off the trick where you ask 1,001 arsebook 'friends' to buy b00k synchronously etc ) 1573770;1480349933;mats;genius! 1573771;1480350085;asciilifeform;iirc they teach this in spamatronics-101. 1573772;1480350216;mats;http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/28/us/ohio-state-university-active-shooter << i'm experiencing rampage fatigue, this is what, the 300th rampage of the year to date 1573773;1480350394;hanbot;...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?! 1573774;1480350394;ben_vulpes;8 is not a rampage 1573775;1480350402;ben_vulpes;it's like a minor tantrum 1573776;1480350404;asciilifeform;and also, d00d who empties a mag into -- mostly -- thin air and furniture -- is 'rampage' ?! 1573777;1480350421;ben_vulpes;lol 8 /injured/? 1573778;1480350436;asciilifeform;must've tripped over own shoelaces, run'n'hiding 1573779;1480350460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the lulz of all time is the actual count of books required. dipped as low as 100s at some point cca 2010 when i stopped paying any attention whatsoever. 1573780;1480350467;ben_vulpes;"we've barricaded ourselves in this room and are now all tweeting about it" 1573781;1480350468;*;mircea_popescu still recalls a time in the 90s when it was 100k. 1573782;1480350504;ben_vulpes;in other pcengines: http://archive.is/slpYZ 1573783;1480350510;mircea_popescu;mats in fairness, ohio state prolly best place to pop a cap in their collective mega-ass. 1573784;1480350530;asciilifeform;btw one interesting exercise would be to organize a synthetic 'postal' made entirely out of hacked twatter pnohes and similar boxes 1573785;1480350538;asciilifeform;then watch Official Truth try an' magic it away 1573786;1480350548;asciilifeform;then apply same magic next there is a 'proper' one. 1573787;1480350553;mircea_popescu;lol 1573788;1480350554;mats;alf is all about the high score charts 1573789;1480350585;asciilifeform;mats: would you refer to a wino who makes off with a rubbish basket from a bank as 'bank heist' ? 1573790;1480350597;mircea_popescu;weist. 1573791;1480350607;mats;no :( 1573792;1480350636;asciilifeform;so, if corpse count isn't at least 4 bits long, it ain't a postal. 1573793;1480350641;mats;i thought i'd put a damper on the bloodlust 1573794;1480350653;mircea_popescu;anyway, none of you understand how the world works. it isn't that anyone GOT shot. at all. nobody gives a shit what happens. it's that someone COULD HAVE!!!! that's the only fucking point. 1573795;1480350679;asciilifeform;'someone could have' every time joe sixpack cleans his kalash. 1573796;1480350679;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder they even botyher burying the corpses, at all. the only focus of interest is what could fucking happen, and there's not so much a corpse could. 1573797;1480350814;ben_vulpes;mats: that's rich, coming from the local documentarian of besieged arabs 1573798;1480350843;mircea_popescu;who else would it come from ? 1573799;1480350855;mats;he-hey, those are the OTHER people, you know 1573800;1480350862;mats; /s 1573801;1480350867;mircea_popescu;mats kinda the wrong color with small dicks ? 1573802;1480350871;ben_vulpes;funkenstein_ a good candidate 1573803;1480350890;mircea_popescu;wasn't he the guy with a worrisome wood fetish ? 1573804;1480350894;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/uBvfT << in related lulz 1573805;1480350908;BingoBoingo; ...so they tweeted instructions to "Run Hide Fight"?! wtf is this, an advisory to do anything but jumping jacks?! << SOP, like "duck and cover" for nukes/tornados 1573806;1480350930;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wait wait, trump was scamming the electorate ? not shillary & friends ? awww. 1573807;1480350936;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome 1573808;1480350948;mircea_popescu;must suck, to be stuck running around with "no, u" as the only tool in the toolbox. 1573809;1480350955;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: phun phakt: they put up posters re 'run and hide' at the ~army base~ where asciilifeform worked , after news of the 'ft hood incident' 1573810;1480350964;BingoBoingo;lol 1573811;1480350984;mircea_popescu;"the bravest thing in the us army is this chair. literally." 1573812;1480350988;BingoBoingo;What is morale? 1573813;1480350994;mircea_popescu;moar ale! 1573814;1480351026;ben_vulpes;more lulz from linked rag: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/23/trumps-new-interview-with-the-new-york-times-isnt-reassuring-its-deeply-alarming/ 1573815;1480351030;ben_vulpes;SERIOUSLY BE AFRAID 1573816;1480351070;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-26#1573467 1573817;1480351070;a111;Logged on 2016-11-26 16:03 mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone's keeping track, the "kow towing" must've not went all too well, because "the editorial board" of the nyt decided for the you know, "independents", "liberals" and the rest of the us red army that the correct approach is to try and impeach trump through the emoluments clause, sometime in 2018ish. 1573818;1480351104;mats;what is it with white people and obsessing over other peoples dongs 1573819;1480351146;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: h-how is that going to work? 1573820;1480351166;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes same way the f-35 works. next question ? 1573821;1480351199;mircea_popescu;mats it's mostly a jewish thing. 1573822;1480351207;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: glib 1573823;1480351228;ben_vulpes;what, the chinese are going to grant him a title? 1573824;1480351230;ben_vulpes;heh 1573825;1480351241;ben_vulpes;let's retroactively impeach obama for accepting the nobel without congress' blessing 1573826;1480351249;mircea_popescu;well, no, they're going to neigh york times best author selling publish some crap. 1573827;1480351275;mircea_popescu;just like everything else "worked", just like how "liberalism" even became a thing. except it never was much more than the vague notions of life&everything of the friends tv show crew. 1573828;1480351278;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573752 << /var/log/Xorg*log plox 1573829;1480351278;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 06:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey listen, i have this t42 wich works fine EXCEPT if i try to emulate old games. at first i thought whatever, bad emulation package, but no - be it via dosbox, wine, whatever, same behavior : game works fine (sound, etc) but the screen stays black. seems to be some unhapiness somewhere between radeon mobility 7500 and xorg. do i recall you saying something very similar ? did you ever manage to get display sub 1573830;1480351320;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aite. will need a few. 1573831;1480351330;asciilifeform;also you can build 'dosbox' with svgalib support and ditch x11 entirely ! 1573832;1480351338;mircea_popescu;i was contemplating that. 1573833;1480351344;asciilifeform;it worx great. 1573834;1480351351;mircea_popescu;course planescape torment doesn't doxbox 1573835;1480351358;asciilifeform;run the gamez like the gods meant'em. 1573836;1480351362;asciilifeform;right. 1573837;1480351371;asciilifeform;i'll be surprised if it 'wines' also. 1573838;1480351372;mircea_popescu;yeah up to 1998. but the whole exercise was me showing that to young'uns 1573839;1480351382;mircea_popescu;nah, wines fine, gog people made a splendid package. 1573840;1480351390;asciilifeform;then again i've coaxed virii into running under wine. 1573841;1480351399;asciilifeform;so who knows what is possible. 1573842;1480351401;mircea_popescu;wine is altogether better than windows. 1573843;1480351415;asciilifeform;quite so. i develop winblowz proggies 100% under gcc+wine. 1573844;1480351421;asciilifeform;for money. 1573845;1480351424;mircea_popescu;aha 1573846;1480351695;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573658 << anybody try an' boot this yet? sawed it open ? 1573847;1480351695;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 02:37 BingoBoingo: In other overlookeds the suckless people released an iso of their distro, 34 MB iso image http://sta.li/ 1573848;1480351738;mircea_popescu;tis on the list. 1573849;1480351740;asciilifeform;( imho most interesting q -- is the thing ~self-hosting~ ? i.e. compiler binary + source, full toolchain, etc ) 1573850;1480351747;mircea_popescu;aha exactly. 1573851;1480351761;*;mircea_popescu is vaguely looking for a root for a sane os since whenever, last year ? 1573852;1480351775;asciilifeform;second q is 'does kernel include megatonne of crapola, or, is it the opposite, boots only on some neckbeard's old 386 in his closet like bell labs plan9 ) 1573853;1480351799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still say it blocks on 'sane iron'. 1573854;1480351809;asciilifeform;there is not a secret, magical-wishy-way around this. 1573855;1480351809;mircea_popescu;"If you have not guessed it already, this dear and daring beast was a Wyvern. A Wyverary, if we are to be taxonomically accurate, for though his mother was a proper Wyvern, his father was a library. That only sounds strange if both of your parents were precisely the same sort of animal, which hardly ever happens, when you really think about it." << holy shit HOW CAN THEY BE THIS TEDIOUS. 1573856;1480351829;mircea_popescu;for the love of all that is literate, can this fanfic wave of subtards gargling words END ALREADY 1573857;1480351841;asciilifeform;it gets woarse. 1573858;1480351853;mircea_popescu;it's so bad i can't even close it. 1573859;1480351861;asciilifeform;i drank the whole spittoon. 1573860;1480351884;asciilifeform;wait till you get to 'the magic of no/ 1573861;1480351886;asciilifeform;' 1573862;1480351908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i did that when what's-his-name with the harry potter mary sue complex and delusions of computer science / quantum mechanics knowledge made some writing challenge and i fucked him with his own wrists attached to a telephone pole. 1573863;1480351918;mircea_popescu;permanently disinterested me in entertaining the imbeciles. 1573864;1480351964;asciilifeform;i dun think he noticed... it must've been a very compact telephone pole 1573865;1480352018;mircea_popescu;zombies don't tend to notice what parts they lose on the way. 1573866;1480352065;mircea_popescu;then they pen bizarre tales about how "but how could we lose, mr unsanitary green" 1573867;1480352231;mircea_popescu;anyway, it is somewhat refreshing to see the delusional dorks (self-identified as "liberals" or "progressives" or w/e) simpyl lift wholesale the aggregate production of the neonazis since the 50s, change a few pronouns and bestseller-publish on their oh-so-important notebooks. 1573868;1480352266;mircea_popescu;look at it : "I shall tell you what the lion roared. It roared: you will make a new future in your stupid bowl, and it will say all the things we want it to say and none of the things we do not! The new future will say that everything good in Fairyland is down to us and everything that goes sideways is down to our enemies. It will say that we are the best people, with the best plans, and the best words, and the best rulers in 1573869;1480352267;mircea_popescu; the history of bestnesses. Make it say the old King and Queen are liars and villains but the Marquess is a truth-teller and a champion who has released the world from sorrow forever. Make it say she is the only one who can fix Fairyland and make it great." 1573870;1480352289;mircea_popescu;now how can you distinguish between this and http://trilema.com/2016/adnotated-weird/ ie david lane / whichever other of the idiots ? 1573871;1480352350;mircea_popescu;they literally ran a bunch of sed, /holocaust/global warming/ /jews/racists/ whatever, same exact structure down to the t. 1573872;1480352385;mircea_popescu;these aspirational "intellectuals" are shockingly sterile. 1573873;1480352706;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rs0Vj/?raw=true 1573874;1480352706;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1573875;1480352873;mircea_popescu;oh holy shit Xorg.log has no timestamps for the lines. how the fuck is anyone supposed to make sense of this crap. 1573876;1480352889;mircea_popescu;who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ? 1573877;1480352890;asciilifeform;with bare hands, teeth, sand clock. 1573878;1480352909;asciilifeform;( and iirc trb still has no times in logz ) 1573879;1480353065;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how to use this alleged log file. 1573880;1480353084;mircea_popescu;chiefly because i can't conceive of a mapping between the pile of trash and a log file. 1573881;1480353092;asciilifeform;1) zap it 2) revv up xorg 3) run black screen proggy 4) paste log 1573882;1480353155;mircea_popescu;such log o.O 1573883;1480353159;asciilifeform;alternatively, tail -f /var/log/crapola.log &> crapolade_snippet.txt & 1573884;1480353163;asciilifeform;and then paste the latter. 1573885;1480353164;mircea_popescu;"how do you use this ?" "first, delete it" "oh i see." 1573886;1480353235;mircea_popescu;for the record, the repugnant pos trashes the box so thoroughly i have to log into tty and stop/start x 1573887;1480353261;asciilifeform;unsurprising 1573888;1480353278;mircea_popescu;WHY HAVE IT THEN 1573889;1480353312;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573782 << didja miss the thread where we learned that apu2 is sad ? 1573890;1480353312;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 16:28 ben_vulpes: in other pcengines: http://archive.is/slpYZ 1573891;1480353341;asciilifeform;(in the sense of 'you will never rip the nsa kernel out of running 24/7/365 on dedicated core on that box') 1573892;1480353376;asciilifeform;(or how they attached intel nic instead of realtek, for a wider range of magick-packet acceptance) 1573893;1480353412;mircea_popescu;more and more it becomes evident that whenever something's documented by the open sores folk, it's always for a reason ; and the reason is always ^ 1573894;1480353432;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu found a DOCUMENTED THING ?!!111111 1573895;1480353462;mircea_popescu;as much as his pcengine link is. the "how to run geth" level. 1573896;1480353499;mircea_popescu;ie, not documented in the sense of documented ("here's how the fridge works") but documented in the sense of functional usage for illiterates ("here's how the fridge door opens and what happens most times when it does") 1573897;1480353543;asciilifeform;'how x works', when it exists in computerdom, tends to 1) live on dead tree 2) which has yellowed from age and smoke 1573898;1480353559;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7hblX/?raw=true << and i fully don't expect you to tell me anything on the basis of it, because it's quite evident it contains nothing useful. 1573899;1480353642;asciilifeform;no obvious barf in there. 1573900;1480353678;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's pretty obvious someone magicnumbered something because i have the distinct impression gfx works fine just offscreen. 1573901;1480353700;asciilifeform;this snippet is just from warmup, or also includes when magic proggy ran..? 1573902;1480353732;mircea_popescu;i wiped the logs, turned the program on, it killed my gfx, i logged into tty2, stopped x, restarted x, this was the only log present. 1573903;1480353772;mircea_popescu;and magic proggy is heroes 2 gold via dosbox. 1573904;1480353785;*;asciilifeform nostalgiates 1573905;1480353805;mircea_popescu;we should probably have a heroes 2 tournament this winter. 1573906;1480353844;mircea_popescu;like we used to do in lieu of highschool, however many people sign up, then they're randomly paired and play small maps, then the winners randomly paired play mediums, then etc. 1573907;1480353869;shinohai;mmgen 1573908;1480353875;mircea_popescu;sadly heroes suffers from the same problems of poker, can't play more than 2. 1573909;1480354084;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what does 'glxgears' proggy output on that box? also black ? 1573910;1480354177;mircea_popescu;box dun has glxgears 1573911;1480354217;mircea_popescu;anyway, i;m not dedicated enough to getting old games to run on that thinkpad to chase this further. i'll just use a different box. 1573912;1480354238;mircea_popescu;for some reason i had it in my head you had ironed out (or maybe just fought and were defeated ?) blank screen idiocy on thinkpad. 1573913;1480354261;asciilifeform;fought, defeated 1573914;1480354274;asciilifeform;the ~only way to get it to work 100% is to define the box forever with the vendor's binturd. 1573915;1480354277;asciilifeform;*defile 1573916;1480354300;mircea_popescu;i'm pretty sure it's due to the "driver" for radeon mobility 7500 being a dubious pos which is pretty much sabotaged deliberately. 1573917;1480354308;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha! 1573918;1480354317;asciilifeform;only a notch or two below installing winblows. 1573919;1480354347;asciilifeform;interestingly, unlike nvidia, amd published (what were nominally..) complete datashits for all of their gpu. 1573920;1480354357;asciilifeform;this resulted in 0 featurecomplete open sores support. 1573921;1480354362;mircea_popescu;with the result being much more obfuscation than in the case of nvidia 1573922;1480354368;asciilifeform;and i can think of at least two explanations re why, and they may well both be true. 1573923;1480354379;mircea_popescu;course the fact that radeon had a stellar reputation for being an unworking buggy pos throughout the 90s didn't help 1573924;1480354383;asciilifeform;there is 0 reliable open nvidia driver either. 1573925;1480354400;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and yet i never had this inept sort of bs problem on nvidia cards. 1573926;1480354405;asciilifeform;know why ? 1573927;1480354416;asciilifeform;it is because nvidia users surrender IMMEDIATELY and install closed turd kernel mod. 1573928;1480354417;mircea_popescu;because mafia ? 1573929;1480354432;mircea_popescu;notrly, is open nvidia driver works fine. 1573930;1480354438;asciilifeform;until you try to USE 1573931;1480354446;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ya. 1573932;1480354450;asciilifeform;or until you want the box not to drain the battery in 20 minutes of lid-closed-no-cord 1573933;1480354459;mircea_popescu;i do not use laptops for any serious purpose 1573934;1480354474;asciilifeform;it is doubly odd to attempt to play games on one 1573935;1480354484;mircea_popescu;the exercise of today being a fine point in case - they can't even be used to play games, though they may marginalloy fit it, we'd be all in bed. 1573936;1480354514;asciilifeform;at any rate, if audio worx, you should be golden with dosbox+fbdev or same+svgalib. 1573937;1480354525;mircea_popescu;but anyway, laptop == html reader. 1573938;1480354528;asciilifeform;(this is already an achievement, working audio) 1573939;1480354538;mircea_popescu;smartphone, electronic ink, whatever. pointedly NOT actual computer. 1573940;1480354562;asciilifeform;i cannot fathom trying to use one of these as a comp 1573941;1480354586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't be arsed to spent time on it tbh. either it works out of box or doesn't work at all is the extent of my patience. 1573942;1480354603;asciilifeform;the phrase 'worx out of box' and open sores do not go together. 1573943;1480354618;asciilifeform;if anyone tells you of such a thing -- they will also sell bridge. 1573944;1480354621;mircea_popescu;let gog worry about that, i'm not gonna. 1573945;1480354638;asciilifeform;which brings us to one more lul from the lulphrams, https://vikings.net 1573946;1480354665;asciilifeform;^ quite a lulsandwich, srsly, 'libreboot' ?! 1573947;1480354688;mircea_popescu;!S thomas umbach 1573948;1480354695;mircea_popescu;!#s thomas umbach 1573949;1480354696;a111;1 result for "thomas umbach", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=thomas%20umbach 1573950;1480354700;mircea_popescu;mmkay. 1573951;1480354737;mircea_popescu;apparently there exists a german alive today sufficiently boneheaded to imagine anyone is willing to use a german company for any purpose. 1573952;1480354742;mircea_popescu;it boggles the mind, but whatever. 1573953;1480354860;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/dt-customers-lose-service-due-to-cyber-attack/ << Qntra - DT Customers Lose Service Due To "Cyber Attack" 1573954;1480354871;mircea_popescu;timing! 1573955;1480355190;shinohai;lol 1573956;1480355446;mircea_popescu;http://www.cjr.org/the_feature/trump_journalism_press_freedom_global.php << pretty lulzy as far as these go. priest at the outskirts of the byzantine empire going "bitchez, your golden horn palaces are still cooler than what we get down here in syria, so stfu and shake that ass". 1573957;1480355481;mircea_popescu;as much as it sucks to be one of the progresstards in the us, imagine how very much worse all the random ngo-niggers and assorted aspirational retards from the rest of the world have it. 1573958;1480355534;asciilifeform;nah those get manna from usgheavens 1573959;1480355917;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573889 << baww, no just forgot. 1573960;1480355917;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 17:15 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573782 << didja miss the thread where we learned that apu2 is sad ? 1573961;1480356020;mircea_popescu;they get manna from in between my toes. 1573962;1480356063;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573876, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573878 << http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Er2hU/?raw=true 1573963;1480356063;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 mircea_popescu: who. who keeps making logfiles with no notion of time ? how is this supposed to work ? 1573964;1480356063;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 17:08 asciilifeform: ( and iirc trb still has no times in logz ) 1573965;1480356071;asciilifeform;the mass of 'dissidenting', 'voice-of-america'-listening, pussyrioting idlers worldwide, live on what, do you suppose. 1573966;1480356072;asciilifeform;sunlight ? 1573967;1480356088;mircea_popescu;yes. 1573968;1480356090;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: whose patch ? 1573969;1480356091;mircea_popescu;exactly that, sunlight./ 1573970;1480356100;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: svlogd 1573971;1480356102;mircea_popescu;and the meagre 20 bux they get now and again for sucking my dick 1573972;1480356113;mircea_popescu;which they disavow and so pretend it never happened so it's "free" ie unexplaiend income 1573973;1480356127;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i know you already gave up on the thing, but i use svlogd to hammer poorly-logging proggies into sanity 1573974;1480356138;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nice! 1573975;1480356153;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: how's that work ? it eats the original rubbish log, and shits this ? 1573976;1480356162;ben_vulpes;can be configured for log rotation, timestamps in myriad formats, udp packets on certain parse events 1573977;1480356167;mircea_popescu;my point is not that i could or couldn't fix it as much as it is i shouldn't have to. i also don't change diapers for the people i go out to dinner with, notwithstanding i ~could~. 1573978;1480356171;mircea_popescu;when i decide to be a nurse i also will. 1573979;1480356175;asciilifeform;^ 1573980;1480356187;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: eats stdout, yes 1573981;1480356224;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc items such as oom are sent to stderr by trb 1573982;1480356232;mircea_popescu;ayup 1573983;1480356234;asciilifeform;so if it literally only eats stdout -- problem 1573984;1480356245;asciilifeform;(not to mention that sanely written proggies do not log to stdout) 1573985;1480356245;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: well i put a redirect in there 1573986;1480356252;mircea_popescu;well you could redirtect but yeah 1573987;1480356275;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: where do sanely written programs log? 1573988;1480356278;mircea_popescu;apparently a sane semantic model for fucking unix is still a bridge too far. 1573989;1480356280;*;ben_vulpes has never seen one, would not know 1573990;1480356311;shinohai;I have just logged timestamps on mine with `|xargs -IX printf "$(date -u)\t%s\n" X ` 1573991;1480356322;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: to a user-specified /some/where 1573992;1480356333;asciilifeform;(disk, tape, ribbon printer..) 1573993;1480356381;ben_vulpes;well dump svlogd in the bin of 'pointless abstractions that make life under the tyranny of linux mildly less painful and retarded' then 1573994;1480356411;asciilifeform;iirc 'how to log' got caught up in the thread re whether trb wants to become own os or not 1573995;1480356420;mircea_popescu;pretty much 1573996;1480356425;*;ben_vulpes has devoured sweets, dons commuter yeti for more rainridin 1573997;1480356437;ben_vulpes;well also polarbeard did some objectionable whole-codebase patching 1573998;1480356449;asciilifeform;whatever happened to that d00d 1573999;1480356453;asciilifeform;left without sayin' goodbyes 1574000;1480356459;ben_vulpes;failed to land a patch, was summarily executed by handlers 1574001;1480356476;ben_vulpes;anyways, that episode pointed me in the direction of external log mgmt 1574002;1480356491;*;ben_vulpes really off now 1574003;1480356558;asciilifeform;imho sanity in trb logs would include not only timestamp but such things as non-mutilated tx ids (wtf, srsly, are these 1st N bytes, or last, or wat) but also separation of blockchainchurch and mempoolstate 1574004;1480356577;asciilifeform;srsly, both in same log..? why. 1574005;1480356587;asciilifeform;(both in same ~proggy~ is already atrocious.) 1574006;1480356603;*;asciilifeform bbl 1574007;1480357207;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc we had a spec for sane log that went along the lines of separations like discussed 1574008;1480357219;mircea_popescu;though i dun recall the exact link to it nao 1574009;1480357602;*;trinque added l2 to wot.deedbot.org index page, looks like happy trollface nao 1574010;1480357612;trinque;seems entirely appropriate 1574011;1480357665;mircea_popescu;lol nice 1574012;1480357666;ben_vulpes;lookin slick 1574013;1480357692;ben_vulpes;using js to draw that? 1574014;1480357704;trinque;nah that's an SVG 1574015;1480357707;trinque;graphviz 1574016;1480357726;ben_vulpes;chrome takes ~1sec to draw it 1574017;1480357730;mircea_popescu;all teh nodes be labeled G 1574018;1480357731;ben_vulpes;on a fresh load that is 1574019;1480357734;mircea_popescu;because g spot amirite ? 1574020;1480357750;mircea_popescu;it's pretty fast yeh 1574021;1480357761;trinque;we finally found the g spot 1574022;1480357777;mircea_popescu;i like the olive color scheme too 1574023;1480357779;trinque;graphviz thinks that tooltip is helpful or something, gonna remove it with sed 1574024;1480357798;mircea_popescu;trinque or just put label nicks or somwething instead 1574025;1480357809;trinque;they're there if you get the node just so 1574026;1480357819;trinque;but I'm gonna fiddle with sizes of l1 yet 1574027;1480357821;mircea_popescu;a right! 1574028;1480357843;mircea_popescu;it zooms nicely too 1574029;1480357876;trinque;yeah seems SVG does pretty well in the browser 1574030;1480357886;mircea_popescu;word. 1574031;1480357929;mircea_popescu;this is moving right along! 1574032;1480357975;trinque;pretty close to a genesis V patch by now 1574033;1480357979;ben_vulpes;in other "baby i'm trying to find something redeeming in the american holiday season"s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J44mRRo0-P0&list=PLUSRfoOcUe4YfT3KjO5JInZ7owN_nIMh4&index=1 1574034;1480357999;trinque;after which folks can throw me their own, and I'll sign if I like them and use. 1574035;1480358120;asciilifeform;AllKindsOfBad F31BBE3A << lel 1574036;1480358126;asciilifeform;32bit hashfp ftw. 1574037;1480358136;asciilifeform;who are all of these schmucks and why are they preserved in amber here. 1574038;1480358163;trinque;yeh, some ancient data in there regarding reference to key 1574039;1480358167;asciilifeform;( http://wot.deedbot.org/A.html ) 1574040;1480358179;*;trinque took the entire old db 1574041;1480358181;asciilifeform;nono, who ARE all of these folks who are not even l10 arsebot. 1574042;1480358186;asciilifeform;deedbot, etc. 1574043;1480358188;asciilifeform;ah 1574044;1480358194;trinque;descends from OTC neh? 1574045;1480358225;asciilifeform;it strikes me that this data has the status of 'gossip' 1574046;1480358238;asciilifeform;in the sense of 'at some point, i heard that x heard...' 1574047;1480358249;asciilifeform;and not of deed ('x signed') 1574048;1480358262;asciilifeform;which imho is the polar opposite of what a rating oughta be. 1574049;1480358279;asciilifeform;wot rating is the one scenario that most screamingly calls for attributable proclamation. 1574050;1480358321;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573807 << they're positively fucking endearing in their unyielding imbecility, "oh, the data acquisition mechanisms / ~scientifically~ conducted polls that told us clinton is a cinch to win also tell us what the X demographic wants and what trump is delivering and WE THEREFORE KNOW he's not doing what we know they want and blablabla. 1574051;1480358321;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 16:35 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's going to be so unfair when the white working class is entirely satisfied with the recent championship pay-per-view outcome 1574052;1480358332;mircea_popescu;the idiot mind caught in the perfect prison. 1574053;1480358465;mircea_popescu;!!reputation AllKindsOfBad 1574054;1480358466;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rWPG5/?raw=true 1574055;1480358481;mircea_popescu;trinque why would nil reputation nicks be inclued at all ? 1574056;1480358523;*;trinque likes what data visibility does :) 1574057;1480358530;trinque;I have no strong opinion that they should. 1574058;1480358587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you have to consider the history of the republic. first it was a very vague thing in a very large soup that was #bitcoin-otc ; that split up between the libertards and the sane people ; me, mod6 a few others moved on to -assets. then that also split up, between whatever the hell it was, modern-science-democracy-and-consumerism and the current #trilema. 1574059;1480358619;mircea_popescu;trinque i don't think there's anything meaningful there ; should prolly purge all those with a nil reputation string. 1574060;1480358629;trinque;works for me 1574061;1480358632;asciilifeform;afaik the old 'wots' are ~100% dead (in the sense of 0-measurable-activity-in-n-years) 1574062;1480358650;mircea_popescu;or you know, offer a separate "all conceivable datapoints", but imo waste of your time and the whole point is that their presence drowns out the actually important people. 1574063;1480358679;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform generally in the holes where men fought, children now play. 1574064;1480358687;mircea_popescu;at least it's how ww2 trenches worked. 1574065;1480358704;asciilifeform;they sure did. 1574066;1480358710;*;asciilifeform went to one such, played. 1574067;1480358719;trinque;aha, in point of fact I ran graphviz on the whole dataset first. output was hilariously useless 1574068;1480358745;trinque;then a moment of enlightenment came and I decided to proceed unfairly :p 1574069;1480358750;asciilifeform;trinque: is there a simple way to make the graph fill the area of display available to it ? 1574070;1480358765;trinque;yeh, moar CSS magic coming 1574071;1480358767;asciilifeform;over here i have to crank 'zoom' until the text below is as tall as my thumb 1574072;1480358769;asciilifeform;to see any 1574073;1480358770;asciilifeform;aite. 1574074;1480358801;asciilifeform;(vertical displays 'magically' reveal 1,001 brokennesses in visual designs you would otherwise never know about ) 1574075;1480358817;mats;https://www.apnews.com/8ce1c19014fa459ca67964a8b5d42433/Germany's-'Mr-Flirt'-teaches-refugees-how-to-pick-up-women 1574076;1480358829;trinque;with both hands, right? 1574077;1480358830;asciilifeform;'with both ahnds' 1574078;1480358832;asciilifeform;aaah 1574079;1480358832;mircea_popescu;"gang up and bring bottles" ? 1574080;1480358834;trinque;looool 1574081;1480358837;mats;>Jasmin Olbrich, having a quick lunch of French fries at a food truck outside the educational center, said she liked the Middle Eastern looks and complained that German men "drink too much beer, watch way too much soccer and are just so white!" 1574082;1480358845;mats;>just so white 1574083;1480358863;mircea_popescu;mats pointedly absent, any reference to how small the arab penises are. 1574084;1480358865;asciilifeform;gold. 1574085;1480359000;asciilifeform;penis what penis they fuck kalash buttstock. 1574086;1480359030;ben_vulpes;related: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Joburgs-dumbest-policeman.jpg 1574087;1480359219;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1574088;1480359246;mircea_popescu;the avatars of "Safety" - have a bunch of men dork around with guns that are NEVER charged, get them used to using them like doorstops. 1574089;1480360833;mircea_popescu;in other lolz, "Rule #1: Believe the autocrat. He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable." 1574090;1480360967;mircea_popescu;a) yes, that's the fucking point - and more people who could be taken at their word would be an incredible improvement over "open society" and "modern democracy" ; b) no, not "humans". women. strictly women. the ~FEMALE~ response to "confronted publicly with the unacceptable", which is just a periphrastic mention of public rape, is to... what was that line, "i am a woman, david. do you think i hate children ? must i choose ag 1574091;1480360967;mircea_popescu;ainst a child because of who the father is ?" 1574092;1480361096;mats;relatedly, https://twitter.com/JPY_Kurdish/status/803101834223251456 1574093;1480361137;mircea_popescu;gotta admit that disgrace film is an epic distillation of an already pungent collection, coetzee's collected vials of retard phlegm and puss. 1574094;1480361141;mircea_popescu;guess should be worth something. 1574095;1480361148;mats;>white self loathing intensifies 1574096;1480361375;mircea_popescu;curious what the muslim influx will do to the eurodork "consensus" re smoking. 1574097;1480361719;mircea_popescu;"Rule #4: Be outraged. If you follow Rule #1 and believe what the autocrat-elect is saying, you will not be surprised. But in the face of the impulse to normalize, it is essential to maintain one’s capacity for shock. This will lead people to call you unreasonable and hysterical, and to accuse you of overreacting. It is no fun to be the only hysterical person in the room. Prepare yourself." (from the same "how to survive th 1574098;1480361719;mircea_popescu;e popping of the libertard delusion" thing). apparently, and seriously, who could have predicted this, apparently diverging from consensus reality is only bad when the OTHER guys do it. you know those racist sociopaths who didn't buy the global warming fraud. 1574099;1480361739;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: a slave isn't a slave to all, just to his master. so it was that clement vii was obsequious to charles v, not henry viii. anyways i can see that the sentence was poorly worded and it's been corrected. so cheers :D 1574100;1480361744;mircea_popescu;otherwise it's perfectly fine when the libertard does it! he's not supposed to follow the herd, and is not a redneck "conspiracy-minded" nutcase etc for being... a conspiracy-minded nutcase. 1574101;1480362004;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it's not even that simple, there's that entire wolf episode, rome got sacked also... twas a murky time. 1574102;1480362182;pete_dushenski;aha. more reading for me to do. 1574103;1480362236;mircea_popescu;tis a risky venture to pick one's example from a period when the consensus was to call all deaths "of poison" just because everyone was trying to appear worldier and therefore jadeder and cynicer than everyone else. 1574104;1480362347;mircea_popescu;anyway, masha gessen. the progre party is in such disarray the actual bona fide assets of the embassy state are stuck doing editorial work. 1574105;1480362377;pete_dushenski;for that we can blame bannon. i didn't ask to research the complicated tudors. just what came up on the docket. 1574106;1480362400;mircea_popescu;he does it deliberately you know. 1574107;1480362446;pete_dushenski;no doubt. makes him sound oh so mysterious and erudite. lest we forget BANNON WENT TO HARVARD MKAY 1574108;1480362467;pete_dushenski;o.O clement vii was a medici. fancy. 1574109;1480362534;mircea_popescu;he correctly identified the problem with modern "educated" "liberals", which is - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-16#1568343 aka first pass knowledge. whatever they could scrounge up in a quick skim through wikipedia reinforced by a smattering of wqhat was trending on tedtalks. 1574110;1480362534;a111;Logged on 2016-11-16 14:20 mircea_popescu: also as taleb correctly points out, this example is just a very good example, but not the whole story. what it exemplifies is the ineptitude of a class of people, whom we call jews, and whom we wish to see in camps. these people understand some - enough to be harmful - but not enough, so as to be useful. they are worse than stupid, because of this familiarity with first order but incapacity for higher order reasoning. 1574111;1480362558;mircea_popescu;and so he's quite literally giving commentators enough rope to hang themselves with. the trilema way. 1574112;1480362623;pete_dushenski;man alive was politics in the 1500s convoluted. league of cognac this, renegade troops of charles v that, pope clement vii fliplopping and running away and my oh my oh my.. 1574113;1480362685;mircea_popescu;early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse. 1574114;1480363028;pete_dushenski;ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times. 1574115;1480363060;pete_dushenski;now exploring the edges of the tudors et al. 1574116;1480363761;mats;what was the sticking point with esp8266? i forget. 1574117;1480364234;asciilifeform;mats: lack of people-other-than-asciilifeform to play with it 1574118;1480364253;asciilifeform;mats: i handed out a bunch of chinese sample boards at conf3, didn't help... 1574119;1480364276;asciilifeform;mats: i still have a bad of two dozen or so here. 1574120;1480364279;asciilifeform;*bag 1574121;1480364522;mircea_popescu;heh. with any $item the possible outcomes of the problem-function would be either "it sucks [reason list]" or "not enough people to use it". i guess the 2nd is how you count success. 1574122;1480364660;asciilifeform;the thing that cooled asciilifeform's interest (to a slow simmer) is that the things remain unavailable in-bulk other than via chinese meatwot or something else inaccessible by asciilifeform 1574123;1480364688;asciilifeform;but fwiw the encapsulated item is about 1 $ via various channels 1574124;1480364755;asciilifeform;( in a much earlier even thread , about the marvell chipset used in pogotron, i found same thing -- the chip is simply not www-orderable in the west, at least not at any kind of price point that isn't a laugh when stood next to the price of whole pogo ) 1574125;1480364819;asciilifeform;now if you want to buy a quintillion of them, yes, china will send a steamer with 10,000,001 crates. but this is quite irrelevant to an experimenter. 1574126;1480364867;asciilifeform;(and woe be to the experimenter who actually needs to know whether such a component is available in bulk, where, at what price point, or for how long ! ) 1574127;1480364983;mats;i remember now, there was a lack of entropy source 1574128;1480365005;asciilifeform;mats: that is a problem shared with every cpu ever made, it is not really a problem 1574129;1480365020;asciilifeform;'this bathtub lacks a meat grinder' 1574130;1480365439;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574113 << early history has sufficiently light mass of surviving record that it is, if clunkily, translated to monkey language at this point 1574131;1480365439;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 19:51 mircea_popescu: early history, eg ages of settlement are relatively easy to understand, and open to "idea people" ; late history ie collapses of civilisations are not easy to understand, and entirely hermetic to they unblessed with esprit de finesse. 1574132;1480365463;asciilifeform;history post-rome requires --- horrors! --- languages 1574133;1480365485;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574114 << pete_dushenski wants to wrap his head around what remains of peter I without knowing ru ?! 1574134;1480365485;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 19:57 pete_dushenski: ya i can see that. i don't find the period entirely hermetic, just unfamiliar as i slowly bridge the gaps in my historical knowledge between the romans and the french revolution. currently working backwards from the end of that period via peter the great's life and times. 1574135;1480365507;asciilifeform;..or french rev. without fr ? 1574136;1480365510;asciilifeform;lel 1574137;1480365533;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He can just ask all those Russians at Breitbart to tell him! 1574138;1480365553;asciilifeform;they will answer in the 'russian' language from film 'beautiful mind' 1574139;1480365556;asciilifeform;or where was it. 1574140;1480365569;asciilifeform;iirc it was also in 'submarine red october' 1574141;1480365580;asciilifeform;(they must've used same consultant as who made klingon) 1574142;1480365667;hanbot;if anyone is trying to maintain old ubuntu installs, and ran into this bs where synaptic/apt-get no longer works because it can't locate any repos: the nice ubuntu folks broke their directory scheme. edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "us.archive." with "old-releases." and then hit reload. for as long as that lasts. 1574143;1480365729;mats;so what does in-bulk mean to asciilifeform 1574144;1480365739;mats;besides <10,000,001 crates 1574145;1480365781;asciilifeform;mats: it means that i don't pay motherfucking retail price. y'know, one where you feel like complete idiot because 'hack magazine' folk are buying ENTIRE BOARDS for below what you pay per-chip. 1574146;1480365795;mats;can i get an integer 1574147;1480365808;asciilifeform;1,000+ 1574148;1480365826;asciilifeform;at, say, dime per. 1574149;1480365841;asciilifeform;like if you bought, e.g., atmel micro of comparable horse. 1574150;1480365860;mats;ill reach out to some folks 1574151;1480365891;asciilifeform;mats: it wouldn't hurt. but keep in mind, i will not be designing this board, not now. hands -- full. 1574152;1480365952;mats;i hope not, i'm still hoping to see a return on my s.nsa shares 1574153;1480365999;asciilifeform;aha, and i don't expect the radio repeater thing to become a future s.nsa item either 1574154;1480366001;mats;since some folks bailed i think i am the third largest holder 1574155;1480366010;asciilifeform;( it is difficult to see how it could be a +ev product ) 1574156;1480366248;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform don't knock it, "conlangs" eh ? 1574157;1480366265;mircea_popescu;hanbot the life and times huh. 1574158;1480366293;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun care if folx fuck donkey, so long as i dun have to watch. 1574159;1480366299;asciilifeform;ditto conlang. 1574160;1480366408;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't necessarily mind one for eulora. the problem is that in this, like every other field, the tinydicked western men are entirely infertile. all they want is to copy and reimplement, which is how they ended up doing THE SAME FUCKING GAME 500 times. ever heard of ultima ? how about runescape ? guess what - it's the same fucking thing, down to the t, by which initialism we mean the fucking tutorial. EXACTLY. oh and plane 1574161;1480366409;mircea_popescu;shift ? ayup. the great idea is "what if we took ultima and made it in 3d", that's fucking it. "i want a car just like that car but paint it pink and write my name on the dash". 1574162;1480366428;mircea_popescu;consumerist culture, meaning that unless i fuck tolkien's corpse into action, i'm sol. 1574163;1480366433;*;asciilifeform played all of the ~good~ ultimas. i.e. 1-7.5. 1574164;1480366443;*;asciilifeform and, with mixed feelings, 8. 1574165;1480366460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i mant ultimaonline 1574166;1480366466;asciilifeform;ah lol rubbish 1574167;1480366490;mircea_popescu;yes but rubbish in the sense of supermarket rubbish - useless and ubiquitous, with a fury worthy of a better cause. 1574168;1480366718;mircea_popescu;the parallel here is pretty evident - for a century now man's eternal dream to fly was realised. it was realised by great minds in europe, and then taken over by usians. who FUCKED IT. but i mean so utterly, that at the last count cca 2008 it came out the aggregate air travel industry lost more money in its history than it made. period and full stop, consider that. 1574169;1480366764;mircea_popescu;same EXACT thing happened to everyhing else america touched. the damage that brown hole of fetid shit does to things is such, that the aggegate benefits to mankind of say computers, or philosophy, or you name it are actually exceeded by ustardian damage in the short half century since it even became a thing. 1574170;1480366824;asciilifeform;it isn't even the cheapening. trabant did 0 damage to the ~idea~ of the auto. it is instead the deliberate mass-farming of subhuman 'democratic' fungus. 1574171;1480366840;mircea_popescu;something like that. 1574172;1480366897;mircea_popescu;the notion that someone somewhere thinks in terms of "x is worse than the us" is mindnumbing. fucking hell, the third reich only killed SOME people. 1574173;1480366911;mircea_popescu;there is no historical comparison to just how utterly wrong that thing is. 1574174;1480366927;mircea_popescu;perhaps the byzantine empire and some selected chinese confucianist tards. 1574175;1480366934;asciilifeform;+ mazdak. 1574176;1480366937;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1574177;1480366948;asciilifeform;notably, disaster of this scale tends to leave thin record 1574178;1480366962;mircea_popescu;it is certainly the case that eastern europe / middle east is a shithole now because instead of razing byzantium in 500, they waited till 1500. 1574179;1480366963;asciilifeform;( do we still know half a fuck's worth re what nailed, e.g., the minoans ? ) 1574180;1480366976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the minoans were the size of a cat's piss. 1574181;1480366993;asciilifeform;tru 1574182;1480367010;asciilifeform;but as example of somebody 'well dug up' 1574183;1480367058;asciilifeform;idea here is that cultures that die of stupidity tend to rm -rf / themselves quite thoroughly 1574184;1480367090;asciilifeform;( and when not, the next occupant of the real estate which they fouled with their presence, finishes the job ) 1574185;1480367138;asciilifeform;sorta how iirc we have one (two..?) mayan texts, picked at ~random. 1574186;1480367149;mircea_popescu;hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby. 1574187;1480367163;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/18-year-old-somali-child-killed-by-police-at-the-ohio-state-university/ << Qntra - 18 Year Old Somali Child Killed By Police At The Ohio State University 1574188;1480367170;mircea_popescu;it's MUCH worse than nuclear waste. chernobyl is perfectly fine today ; odessa will possibly never be. 1574189;1480367202;asciilifeform;when, by mircea_popescu's lights, was 'odessa fine' ? during reign of catherine II / 1574190;1480367203;asciilifeform;? 1574191;1480367220;mircea_popescu;before the basishitoi. 1574192;1480367243;mircea_popescu;should have burned constantine in oil not fucking crown him jesus fuck already. 1574193;1480367260;asciilifeform;odessa in particular was put there in end of 18th c.. 1574194;1480367306;mircea_popescu;the geography preexists it. 1574195;1480367312;asciilifeform;ah no shit 1574196;1480367335;mircea_popescu;and the fact that the byzantines were nearby is inescapable ; you can build any odessa you want on that tile - it will be a shithole 1574197;1480367363;mircea_popescu;because paleologoi polluted the square - not with nuclear waste, which resolves in a century, but with cultural waste, which doesn't resolve in millenium+ 1574198;1480367391;asciilifeform;this imho needs exposition 1574199;1480367395;asciilifeform;which, particular, waste. 1574200;1480367421;mircea_popescu;the simple existence of an empire of convenience physically alters the geography, so that no one, even people unrelated to the original idiots, can never amount to anything in that physical space. 1574201;1480367452;asciilifeform;not sure how geography relates, we have this exact thing here on antipodal piece of planet 1574202;1480367458;BingoBoingo;AHA, The Iroquois ruined New England! 1574203;1480367464;mircea_popescu;it LOOKS like a mountain, or a hill or a weir, but it is a touched mountain, hill or weir. and if you eat from there - you will be dumb. 1574204;1480367468;mircea_popescu;no matter what you do or how you do it. 1574205;1480367502;mircea_popescu;simple proximity of the idiots ruins things. 1574206;1480367522;asciilifeform;if bad ideas were spread simply by eating magic mountain, world would be considerably cleaner 1574207;1480367558;mircea_popescu;take the web. there's nothing fundamental about html or the upstream concepts that require it to become a pile of shit. but the simple proximity of aol ENSURE, pointedly necessitate and absolutely guarantee, it WILL be a pile of shit. no matter ANYTHING else. 1574208;1480367601;asciilifeform;y'know, toilet can be very close to cockpit in a spacecraft and pilot eat 0 shit. 1574209;1480367618;asciilifeform;(aka 'hierarchy') 1574210;1480367644;mircea_popescu;convenience culture, however defined as consumerism, modern democracy, us-liberalism, whatever is the closest approximation in nature of that brain-breaking-image sf concept. 1574211;1480367649;mircea_popescu;and it's actually pretty damned close. 1574212;1480367683;mircea_popescu;you don't even have to look at it. just the fact that the cockroaches exist, somewhere nearby, will fuck up your shit and sour the milk in your fridge. 1574213;1480367693;asciilifeform;subj btw is a thoroughly worked concept in ru sphere, where folx got to watch 'consumer revolution' unfold in fast-forward picture in 1990s 1574214;1480367715;mircea_popescu;i am unsurprised. 1574215;1480367786;mircea_popescu;twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place. 1574216;1480367819;mircea_popescu;twenty years ago i was scratching my head uncomprehendingly at the hughuenot massacre. today i'm rather inclined to thing st barhtolomew may be the true and proper republican holiday. 1574217;1480367830;mircea_popescu;and i deeply regret any of the fucking libertards escaped. 1574218;1480367854;mircea_popescu;funny what the wisdom age brings does to one's childish notions. 1574219;1480367889;asciilifeform;i'm not sold on the notion that the protagonists of these great axe-times, sword-times, map readily onto modern folx 1574220;1480367901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so define the hughuenots for me ? 1574221;1480367918;mircea_popescu;or did you mean "the other side doesn't map" ? 1574222;1480367923;asciilifeform;either 1574223;1480367952;mircea_popescu;so you don't see how early protestants map to modern jewry ? rly ? 1574224;1480367953;asciilifeform;fr-speaking protestants ? afaik luther et al sprung out of a very clearly decaying corpse of the church, and not external baccilae of any sort 1574225;1480367959;mircea_popescu;this is bullshit. 1574226;1480367990;mircea_popescu;they sprang out of the EXACT thing hillary sprang out of : a) individual problems are a collective concern ; b) "we" are all equally dignified and entitled ; c) you name it 1574227;1480367995;asciilifeform;incidentally, they were not the most catastrophically 'burn it all' radical, either. picture if muntzer et al had won instead. 1574228;1480368001;mircea_popescu;find me a point of divergence. even fucking global warming was there, in 1572. 1574229;1480368124;asciilifeform;there is the 'engine' and the 'chrome', i.e. the actual motive ideology, vs the window-dressing. similar to usg's 'hyooman rights!1111' chrome, around a 'market for hollywood and cocacola' engine. 1574230;1480368144;mircea_popescu;so model this supposed difference for me, between today's jew and 1500s hughuenot. 1574231;1480368145;asciilifeform;luther's 'chrome' is similar to every other demagogue's. 1574232;1480368176;asciilifeform;engine -- the princes going their own way, the ungluing of the cheapo knockoff rome thing they had going. 1574233;1480368211;mircea_popescu;(note, as historical amusement, that the last time "modern democracy" libertards were massacred was the result of collusion between military and populist leadership - which apparently is so burnished into their collective memory as to make that arrangement the #1 bad.) 1574234;1480368251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, seriously, in terms of individuals. how were the libertards of then not the huguenots of now. 1574235;1480368289;mircea_popescu;10% at the time, yes ? aspirational like exactly the "i am going to ny to be a writer just like carrie bradshaw" jew of today. 1574236;1480368297;asciilifeform;the only similarity that i can see is that they are the maggots on a corpse. 1574237;1480368303;asciilifeform;maggots -- do not create corpses. 1574238;1480368308;mircea_popescu;never you mind what similarities tyou can see. point me a difference. 1574239;1480368311;mircea_popescu;any. one. 1574240;1480368364;mircea_popescu;they even had the lulzy "modern science" thing, EXACTLY like the current shitheads. and by exactly i mean literal identity, same words same structures. 1574241;1480368404;asciilifeform;the hugenots et al., afaik, were 'serious'. vs the liberast 'hipster-ironic', 'global whatevering happens except when al gore's jet is flying', etc 1574242;1480368418;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1574243;1480368428;mircea_popescu;they're both equally serious - which is to say as serious as they can be which isn't much. 1574244;1480368495;asciilifeform;and actually i'm willing to buy mircea_popescu's 'they were similar in every way that counts.' just that i remain unconvinced that either is anything but the fungus growing on aids patient 1574245;1480368518;mircea_popescu;this may well be so - but it is the same fungus. 1574246;1480368543;asciilifeform;killing fungus-of-the-day only staves off the ever more spectacular inevitable and gangrenous liquifaction. 1574247;1480368549;mircea_popescu;are you aware they even had a flashmob ? 1574248;1480368556;mircea_popescu;!~google affaire des placards 1574249;1480368557;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Affair of the Placards - Wikipedia: ; Affaire des Placards — Wikipédia: ; 18 octobre 1534 - L' Affaire des placards - Herodote.net: 1574250;1480368567;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but it isn't "of the day". it's the one fungus. 1574251;1480368594;asciilifeform;typically the ~other~ end of bartholomew is depicted as 'flash mob'. but yes. 1574252;1480368625;mircea_popescu;other end was very much "trump meets angry iraq war veterans, they decide to mass rape the nytimes & friends." 1574253;1480368769;mircea_popescu;anyway, the deep point here is a certain anti-idealism, coherent in form and presentation, that permeates the five centuries of progre aggitation. the nonsensical objection re "has anything made your life better" in http://trilema.com/2016/consumerism-is-not-the-answer-though-it-will-put-you-to-sleep-or-american-history-x/ very exactly mirror the issues of denying the physical presence of christ in the diddled roman wine/brea 1574254;1480368770;mircea_popescu;d combo. 1574255;1480368829;asciilifeform;i deeply dun get it, what is so greatly sane about snarfing down the transubstantiation, trinities, etc. crapolade ? 1574256;1480368842;asciilifeform;and yes these were glues holding empire together. fuck empire. 1574257;1480368898;mircea_popescu;so defined by these two points, we notice that it goes exactly through, not "very close" but EXACTLY THROUGH eg heine's "Nur fürcht ich, wenn ein Gewitter entsteht, zieht leicht so eine Spitze herab auf euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze!" 1574258;1480368912;mircea_popescu;it's not "similar" fungus. it is precisely and genetically-identical the same fungus. 1574259;1480369002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not proposing any definite thing about the other party. what's so great about you know, making large stores of weapons only to have thieves take them. 1574260;1480369093;asciilifeform;the only piece i'm not sold on is the 'liberasty kills every great empire' thing. yes, it is ~found in the corpse~ of every great empire, but it is precisely the aids fungi. 1574261;1480369099;asciilifeform;can do 0 to healthy man. 1574262;1480369100;mircea_popescu;i am not saying that. 1574263;1480369119;mircea_popescu;they evidently didn't kill gengis. 1574264;1480369128;mircea_popescu;and contrary to their asstears, the mongols built roads. 1574265;1480369161;mircea_popescu;consider the very strict vlad the impaler - brasov merchants opposition. the "financial elites" proposed the guy's administration will result in you know, economic collapse. didn't. 1574266;1480369381;mircea_popescu;understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l 1574267;1480369381;mircea_popescu;azy as in heine's hate of the picklehaube, or as in the hughuenot anger at the quaint catholic nonsense. 1574268;1480369438;mircea_popescu;what's bothering them about people who smoke ; and about people who say $random-forbidden-word ; and about people who do not care what their "laws" say ; or about those mean evil "incomprehensible" terorists, what got them all angry about the mob and so on and so forth is the same fundamental self-hatred. 1574269;1480369491;mircea_popescu;it's not simply "how do other people dare not be miserable", but moreover - what if there's a little more to it all ? exactly the luciferic damnation, for that matter ; and exactly the one criticism pre ww2 jews never wanted to take seriously. 1574270;1480369524;mircea_popescu;i'm not proposing idealism is acceptable, or good or the solution or anything. but i am outright saying that the specific sort of anti-idealism here displayed IS, in point of fact is, a mental disease. 1574271;1480369560;mircea_popescu;and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is. 1574272;1480369907;BingoBoingo;Like the Chauchat, responsible for the deaths of many; but in the wrong direction. 1574273;1480369953;mircea_popescu;heh 1574274;1480370107;*;mircea_popescu would very much like to hear challenges to the above theory, btw. 1574275;1480370290;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573837 << planescape most definitely wines 1574276;1480370290;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 16:42 asciilifeform: i'll be surprised if it 'wines' also. 1574277;1480370300;mircea_popescu;aha. 1574278;1480370351;shinohai;http://www.sciencealert.com/this-new-prime-number-could-help-solve-a-decades-old-puzzle "Only 9.3 million digits!!!" 1574279;1480370463;mircea_popescu;!!up Joshua-I 1574280;1480370464;deedbot;Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes. 1574281;1480370482;Joshua-I;Allo quick point about mental disease a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574271 1574282;1480370482;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 21:46 mircea_popescu: and mental disease is unchanging. just like you can have dysentery or schizophrenia in 1592 you can have it in 1952. and you do. that's what it is. 1574283;1480370498;mircea_popescu;aha ? 1574284;1480370520;Joshua-I;Multiple personality disorder is considered a product of its times as it has mostly disappeared as of late 1574285;1480370542;mircea_popescu;yeah well imaginary diseases are imaginary diseases. see "female hysteria" etc. 1574286;1480370548;mircea_popescu;of course they disappear over time. 1574287;1480370575;shinohai;Though there is still no known cure for redditardedness 1574288;1480370582;mircea_popescu;shinohai hunger. 1574289;1480370590;mircea_popescu;cures it instantly without sechellae in 100% of cases. 1574290;1480370648;shinohai;aha 1574291;1480370683;Joshua-I;concerning this over here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574266 1574292;1480370683;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 21:43 mircea_popescu: understand : when dorks dork on about "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" in http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/ ; or when random nobody "does not have time to read logs" or "doesn't believe phuctor did so and so" or "doesn't see why should get a pgp key" or "doesn't think bitcoin can work" etc etc, there displayed is the SAME fundamental anti-idealism of the deliberately stupid l 1574293;1480370708;Joshua-I;i'd say you only need the first 1574294;1480370766;mircea_popescu;the first what ? 1574295;1480370767;Joshua-I;like if you read the logs, believed in mathematics (lol), and proof of work. still the first thing would put you at odds 1574296;1480370787;Joshua-I;i.e. "putting abstract principles above the people themselves" 1574297;1480370803;mircea_popescu;well it's a succession of or 1574298;1480370805;mircea_popescu;any one. 1574299;1480370993;Joshua-I;but the point is this fundamental self hatred isn't necessarily limiting 1574300;1480371033;Joshua-I;it doesn't necessarily imply anything at all ultimately if you will pursue any ends 1574301;1480371142;mircea_popescu;like how do you mean ? 1574302;1480371220;Joshua-I;like say you recognized the value in science / physical / sociological underpinnings but you were deranged 1574303;1480371237;Joshua-I;and your 'abstract concept' was one of perhaps contradicting axioms 1574304;1480371244;mircea_popescu;uh. 1574305;1480371292;Joshua-I;so the real and the ends are fairly separated out from your internal satisfaction 1574306;1480371390;Joshua-I;I'd be weary of saying how long such a thing can last tho 1574307;1480371456;mircea_popescu;or if it even exists. 1574308;1480371461;BingoBoingo;There is a solution 1574309;1480371465;BingoBoingo;!~step4 1574310;1480371465;jhvh1;4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. 1574311;1480371480;*;adlai never understood wtf a "moral inventory" is 1574312;1480371508;*;trinque didn't understand wtf Joshua-I is trying to say 1574313;1480371529;trinque;buncha loosely associated statements and fluff words 1574314;1480371540;Joshua-I;but exactly trinque 1574315;1480371542;adlai;sounds like the same bs rai dalyo rambles about in his multiple-hundred-page copypasta about "principles" and how life is all about discovering your principles, then he gives as an example of such a "principle" - gravitation 1574316;1480371559;Joshua-I;the brain is capable of loosely associating and therefore opens this possibility up 1574317;1480371564;trinque;Joshua-I: it's rude to meta people you just met !1!11 1574318;1480371572;mircea_popescu;adlai i suspect in us-english parlance of the time, "moral" simply means "abstract". ie, don't count your ballsac. 1574319;1480371595;mircea_popescu;(the division seen in moral philosophy vs material philosophy aka physics) 1574320;1480371608;BingoBoingo;adlai: Instructions begin with the last paragraph on page 63 and continue through the end of the chapter. Chapter 6 "Into Action" begin step 5. 1574321;1480371651;Joshua-I;trinque: I like to keep things interesting 1574322;1480371663;*;ben_vulpes idly enumerates his ballsac 1574323;1480371801;adlai;this btw is top-grade "eldritch horror": https://www.principles.com/#Principles 1574324;1480371844;Joshua-I;Open question before I go workout: what kind of basis do you use for 'moral'? Utilitarian? Virtue? 1574325;1480371878;mircea_popescu;i think you should go work out. 1574326;1480371910;adlai;Joshua-I: i believe the only person who regularly talks about "moral [inventory]" uses the Big Book 1574327;1480371936;mircea_popescu;"What follows are three distinct parts that can be read either independently or as a connected whole." aaand he lost me. 1574328;1480371973;BingoBoingo;Joshua-I: A honest basis. 1574329;1480371981;BingoBoingo;As you understand it 1574330;1480371993;mircea_popescu;same sauce as goes in "a plain reading" of eg constitution. 1574331;1480372048;BingoBoingo;Aha 1574332;1480372058;mats;asciilifeform: is there something wrong with the items on alibaba? 1574333;1480372198;mats;e.g. http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/new-and-original-Module-ESP8266-with_60443370641.html 1574334;1480372594;mircea_popescu;anyway, to expound on the whole huguenot issue : a) who expanded the medieval notion of "universitas" to a notion of "popular sovereignity" in the sense of "the people" being a unit, better and different from its constituent parts, and better than the king at hearing god, and to be represented by parliaments ? b) who broke with legist theory of "tyrant = whosoever opposes the monarch" to introduce a transcription of calvin's 1574335;1480372594;mircea_popescu;new ideas of impeachable kings ? c) who did max weber identify as part of a "rationalization" (aka enlightening, or in proper words pedestrian-anti-idealism) of abstractions in europe ? 1574336;1480372596;mircea_popescu;we could go on. 1574337;1480372670;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing this, 1574338;1480372679;mircea_popescu;!~google beerwolf 1574339;1480372680;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Beerwolf : Oracle's Prophecy (Album): ; Beerwolf | Facebook: ; Beerwolf Books: 1574340;1480372683;mircea_popescu;pff 1574341;1480372688;mircea_popescu;!~google beerwolf luther 1574342;1480372689;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Beerwolf - Wikipedia: ; Luther and the Justifiability of Resistance to Legitimate Authority: ; Meaning of Beerwolf - Encyclo: 1574343;1480372715;hanbot;http://logs.minigame.bz/latest.log.html#t20:06:54 << iirc was 25310, if that's at all useful. anyway, thanks for looking into it diana_coman 1574344;1480372742;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1573903 << that is one of the best games ever. i have many memories of high school drunken debaucheries, where a small clique would periodically dip out, one by one, to perform their next move in heroes on the family computer 1574345;1480372742;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 17:22 mircea_popescu: and magic proggy is heroes 2 gold via dosbox. 1574346;1480372745;hanbot;mmyeah wrong channel, dun mind me. 1574347;1480372757;mircea_popescu;i agree, probably best game ever made. > chess. 1574348;1480372835;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574333 << 1) i want the raw chip 2) i want a steady supplier, not a d00d with 0 connection to my wot (including vendors i've personally used as 'connection' for this purpose) 1574349;1480372835;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 22:29 mats: e.g. http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/new-and-original-Module-ESP8266-with_60443370641.html 1574350;1480372860;asciilifeform;'some d00d on $phorum promises megatonne for a penny' is not 'supplier'. 1574351;1480372863;mircea_popescu;in proper terms, "it's too expensive to 100% test each individual unit" 1574352;1480372974;asciilifeform;in related lulz, https://archive.is/ZNpzl << 'extremists' 1574353;1480373033;asciilifeform;(incidentally linked piece is disinfo, per https://www.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2016-November/082331.html , the 'me' is not really dead ) 1574354;1480373108;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/sjwhate/comments/5fed8q/18_year_old_somali_child_killed_by_police_at_the/ lolments 1574355;1480373190;mircea_popescu;lol 1574356;1480373312;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/5fc9ff/minigame_game_developer_ipod_for_8_million_a_few/ << similar lulz. 1574357;1480373590;asciilifeform;mats: i will underscore the point: i am entirely, thoroughly, monumentally disinterested in purchasing industrial component where i gotta make a cousin-fucking relationship with some orc even before i get something like a quote. no anonymous cash'n'carry? not wanted in my supply line, not if there is an alternative. 1574358;1480373682;asciilifeform;(cash'n'carry and i-switch-suppliers-on-a-five-minute-whim are your only guards against doctored-chip-just-for-you-at-ftmeade) 1574359;1480373703;asciilifeform;fungibility, in short. 1574360;1480373777;mats;i'm tracking 1574361;1480373834;asciilifeform;..? 1574362;1480373856;mats;message received 1574363;1480375419;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574186 << "embrace comfort" -- men behaving like women. this defiles the land 1574364;1480375419;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 21:05 mircea_popescu: hardly. subcultures that embrace comfort do lasting damage to the geography. which is how and why mexico is a shithole now - the aztecs lived there. which is why and how ukraina and the dalmatian coast are shitholes now - byzantines lived nearby. 1574365;1480375424;danielpbarron;!~bible leviticus 18:24-25 1574366;1480375425;jhvh1;danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:24 :: Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you: 1574367;1480375426;jhvh1;danielpbarron: [KJV] Leviticus 18:25 :: And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants. 1574368;1480375429;danielpbarron;!~bible 1 corinthians 6:9 1574369;1480375430;jhvh1;danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Corinthians 6:9 :: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 1574370;1480375691;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-28#1574215 << yes this is apparently the correct approach 1574371;1480375691;a111;Logged on 2016-11-28 21:16 mircea_popescu: twenty years ago i was appalled at the atrocity of the original most serene republic sacking constantinople. now i am very much remiss they left anyone alive or any one thing standing, should have merv'd the fucking place. 1574372;1480375712;danielpbarron;!~bible 1 samuel 15:3 1574373;1480375714;jhvh1;danielpbarron: [KJV] 1 Samuel 15:3 :: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1574374;1480375781;mircea_popescu;obviously suckling and ass collided in my head. 1574375;1480376719;mircea_popescu;in other news, icann changed "domain lock" for transfers to... 60 days. 1574376;1480376735;mircea_popescu;(evidently, not going to apply to usg-stolen domains) 1574377;1480376739;asciilifeform;what was it before ? 1574378;1480376770;mircea_popescu;orinigally, nothing ; then it was made a day, then 5. 1574379;1480376801;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-is-probably-never-going-to-support-python-3/#comment-119926 << in other 3/10 for effort trollage 1574380;1480377357;phf;http://www.apple.com/newsroom/2016/08/apple-adds-more-gender-diverse-emoji-in-ios-10.html 1574381;1480377378;mircea_popescu;are they valid unicode ? 1574382;1480377440;phf;no idea, and too lazy to investigate. i found it because apparently valid unicode pistol emoji was changed from realistic looking gun to a water gun 1574383;1480377460;asciilifeform;^ was in the l0gz 1574384;1480377465;mircea_popescu;oh wait, blonde chicks surf cuz they're from california right ? and black chicks basketball. makes perfect sense. wanna bet the swimmer's a brunette ? 1574385;1480377478;phf;asciilifeform: oh i missed that 1574386;1480377488;mircea_popescu;i thought you participated in the discussion lol 1574387;1480377498;asciilifeform;!#s ☭ 1574388;1480377499;a111;6 results for "☭", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%E2%98%AD 1574389;1480377537;phf;i've gotten to a point with logs, where most of my log memories are stored in logs 1574390;1480377552;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out scrat owns joo! 1574391;1480377597;asciilifeform;waiwat 1574392;1480377613;asciilifeform;what's a scrat 1574393;1480377616;mircea_popescu;phf i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but i'm sitting here trying to come up with something but... 1574394;1480377635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the first mention of the sicke hammer 1574395;1480377645;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-22#161688 1574396;1480377645;a111;Logged on 2013-07-22 16:00 Scrat: ☭ bcstats 1574397;1480377651;asciilifeform;aah 1574398;1480377676;asciilifeform;hande h卍ch! 1574399;1480382257;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1574400;1480382696;asciilifeform;trinque: how much sweat would it take to add procedure, attempt http (80) and https (445) on phucked ip, then post http title, if found, and in case of ssl, cert id string 1574401;1480383877;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4C1F1DF711FA0B4E2F5F99F37821FFCD45F8B4336A79C4039654EA3B14C6AE2A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.185 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.185 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1574402;1480383878;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EBD6ADEA8F36F0E9B3BD59E666A97C08A93C659D8E2935E2ED6A9AAAEF81DC8E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1175...4733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.40 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.40 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (Unknown US) 1574403;1480384290;mircea_popescu;as part of fucking deedbot ? no wai. 1574404;1480384300;mircea_popescu;talk to shinohai Framedragger pete_dushenski who else had a bot 1574405;1480384780;mircea_popescu;and in other news da fuck is https://karlened.herokuapp.com/Genesis-V-Manual.pdf 1574406;1480384853;asciilifeform;hey it isn't any crazier than the geoip routine 1574407;1480384875;mircea_popescu;i guess not. 1574408;1480384985;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574405 << it's the usual 'let's MONETIZE!1111 other people's work' spamolade 1574409;1480384985;a111;Logged on 2016-11-29 01:59 mircea_popescu: and in other news da fuck is https://karlened.herokuapp.com/Genesis-V-Manual.pdf 1574410;1480385000;mircea_popescu;how's monetize supposed to work. 1574411;1480385001;mod6;nowai 1574412;1480385003;*;mod6 looks 1574413;1480385042;asciilifeform;1) crawl www 2) perl script converts to 'ebook' 3) spam to idiots 4) ??? 1574414;1480385045;mod6;"sign up for phree!" eat my balls. 1574415;1480385058;mircea_popescu;i guess 1574416;1480385078;asciilifeform;'heroku' is a paul graham operation iirc 1574417;1480385090;mircea_popescu;afaik. 1574418;1480385142;asciilifeform;and it 'works' like all grahamisms -- by being sold to a greater fool, somewhere, somehow 1574419;1480385180;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how they figure trump's gonna be printing for this. 1574420;1480385204;asciilifeform;same way as obump. 1574421;1480385220;mircea_popescu;i dun see it. 1574422;1480385225;mircea_popescu;he got keystone to pay for. 1574423;1480385274;asciilifeform;what, spreadshit at ye olde fed needs 42 bits but only takes 41..? 1574424;1480385300;mircea_popescu;he's not doing it. 1574425;1480385332;mircea_popescu;"m&a market" in the sense of bullshit "tech companies" of the software ilk is looking at a 99% contraction in 2017. 1574426;1480385368;asciilifeform;nobody's gonna ask him -- just like deindustrialization program is happening whether or not some old d00d signs xyz treaty or not 1574427;1480385388;ben_vulpes;heroku graham << citation needed 1574428;1480385397;mircea_popescu;do you know what software m&a market was in 2016, or 2015, or any point, so you can compare ? 1574429;1480385416;ben_vulpes;wholly owned by salesfarce these days 1574430;1480385421;ben_vulpes;employs many an orbiting babe 1574431;1480385427;*;ben_vulpes waves at babes 1574432;1480385430;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/heroku 1574433;1480385449;mod6;ben_vulpes: haha. 1574434;1480385450;ben_vulpes;fuck me sideways 1574435;1480385472;mircea_popescu;he's adorable when he thinks he knows a thing! 1574436;1480385490;ben_vulpes;whatever, crunchbase took 2 seconds to return a page, i killed the process 1574437;1480385507;mircea_popescu;actually apparently... crunchbase no longer actually works ? 1574438;1480385508;ben_vulpes;but lookie at the mircea_popescu citing sv's own propaganda machine 1574439;1480385528;mircea_popescu;hey, at issue is relations between stalin and hitler. propaganda is valid sauce. 1574440;1480385528;asciilifeform;it wasn't mega-seekrit, ben_vulpes 1574441;1480385542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i should have quoted medium at him huh. 1574442;1480385557;asciilifeform;graham mentioned it in various bloviations of his 1574443;1480385573;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: try livejournal, i eat livejournal urls 1574444;1480385583;asciilifeform;and the yc people had public parades etc. 1574445;1480385618;ben_vulpes;lj never took 2 seconds to return a simple html page... 1574446;1480385637;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: who, i'm now curious, did you ~think~ made it 1574447;1480385658;mircea_popescu;"innovation" "youth" 1574448;1480385667;asciilifeform;thing had all of the classic stigmata of pgism 1574449;1480385767;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: anonymous web properties have authors now? 1574450;1480385778;ben_vulpes;i never saw a signed anything, couldn't possible say "who" "did" anything 1574451;1480385784;asciilifeform;not authors, funders 1574452;1480385789;ben_vulpes;possibly* 1574453;1480385794;asciilifeform;somebody feeds the monkeys. 1574454;1480385799;ben_vulpes;"made it" 1574455;1480385813;ben_vulpes;shotgun blasts of capital don't really count for "made" 1574456;1480385826;*;ben_vulpes cranes at the salt in his ass 1574457;1480385826;asciilifeform;sure does. shotgun -- makes hole 1574458;1480385881;asciilifeform;and who tosses meat onto hot pavement, for the flies, makes the sticky mess. 1574459;1480385914;ben_vulpes;ah, the spontaneous generation argument 1574460;1480385914;asciilifeform;no idiots with massive leaking bags of printolade -- no herokus. 1574461;1480385980;ben_vulpes;no individual may be credited with leaking printolade. it -- leaks. 1574462;1480386009;ben_vulpes;absolutely sole purpose is to render savings moot. 1574463;1480386028;mircea_popescu;what is the topic ? 1574464;1480386065;ben_vulpes;whether the investors made the tin woman, obvs 1574465;1480386252;mircea_popescu;is heroku anything more than a pretentious website and a few dozen boxes rented in a dc somewhere ? 1574466;1480386262;mircea_popescu;ie, was something actually made ? 1574467;1480386285;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: omg hate speech as if to assume they even have their own boxes! 1574468;1480386298;ben_vulpes;entire thing runs atop bezos' virtu-staxx 1574469;1480386304;mircea_popescu;hence "rented". 1574470;1480386312;mircea_popescu;anyway. 1574471;1480386408;phf;afaik heroku invented the whole "container" thing, i.e. instead of oldfag unixing you have a thing with many slots, that takes ruby code, provides postgresql, etc. so that you don't actually need to know anything outside of your rails world 1574472;1480386438;mircea_popescu;right, IaaS, ignorance as a service. 1574473;1480386469;asciilifeform;'deskilling' 1574474;1480386480;ben_vulpes;lxc didn't predate? 1574475;1480386516;asciilifeform;pg's own 'viaweb' was -- supposedly -- the original. 1574476;1480386538;phf;ben_vulpes: no 1574477;1480386540;asciilifeform;hence the 1,001 imitations his students made. 1574478;1480386561;ben_vulpes;phf: the things one learns! 1574479;1480386612;phf;ben_vulpes: it is rather unfortunate how much time i wasted "following along", i know things now 1574480;1480386651;*;ben_vulpes considering "deskilling" the entire mobile-app "api server" with judicious compilation of libpq 1574481;1480386878;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al -- at some point there was a great 'savings ~never~ really worked' mircea_popescu thread 1574482;1480386914;asciilifeform;if anyone remembers when it was, stick a pointer here in the l0gz, imho it belongs. 1574483;1480387004;asciilifeform;there was iirc something about how an economic landscape stable enough for 'savings' is an ephemeral and quite unnatural thing, rather like billiard table 1574484;1480387019;asciilifeform;( or possibly asciilifeform dreamed this ) 1574485;1480387036;phf;nah, i'm pretty sure it was during my 6 months 1574486;1480391522;mircea_popescu;truth. 1574487;1480391554;mircea_popescu;and it also goes re "trade". yes the brits experienced a period of "hey, trade creates wealth". guess what - it created out of burning china's empire. spain idem. and the portuguese too. 1574488;1480391577;mircea_popescu;this whole "trade will make social problems go away" is just another "we'll feed ourselves with our own plaque". 1574489;1480393819;BingoBoingo;!!up Garmin 1574490;1480393819;deedbot;Garmin voiced for 30 minutes. 1574491;1480422266;shinohai;bwahahaha naturally krebz and friends find Russian hacker behind SF subway hack http://archive.is/O5U4C 1574492;1480422301;mircea_popescu;no ?! 1574493;1480424538;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E739A834E2CE6339A7D05EEDB78D8485695F6AA890225B692F2561197FFFFBE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1602...4037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '142.244.231.80 (ssh-rsa key from 142.244.231.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ssdpdev1.srv.ualberta.ca. CA AB) 1574494;1480429969;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/unicode-is-fucking-stupid-the-definitive-article/ << Trilema - Unicode is fucking stupid - the definitive article. 1574495;1480430032;mircea_popescu;!!ratings deedbot 1574496;1480430033;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7Pj0W/?raw=true 1574497;1480430171;mircea_popescu;speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov 1574498;1480430397;asciilifeform;afaik mine is all 7bit-clean 1574499;1480430405;asciilifeform;deliberately. 1574500;1480430414;mircea_popescu;as far as i know it's all clean to date, which is why this discussion didn't spring naturally 1574501;1480430431;mircea_popescu;but maybe time to make the point that this cleanliness is not coincidental. 1574502;1480430434;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312695 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312696 1574503;1480430434;a111;Logged on 2015-10-31 16:22 phf: but i'm not talking about diff specifically, i'm saying that whatever decissions are being made about diff now are going to influence the kind of work we'll have to do in the future 1574504;1480430434;a111;Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere 1574505;1480430450;asciilifeform;ftr i have orc hieroglyphs in my wwwtron , eink panels, etc but not in my unixen 1574506;1480430467;asciilifeform;so all of my working material has to be 7bitclean 1574507;1480430478;asciilifeform;or utils -- barf. 1574508;1480430502;mircea_popescu;phf i'm not sure what you're saying hiar. 1574509;1480430619;asciilifeform;i'm sold on mircea_popescu's 'if you must orc, pinyin yer text and optionally have your terminal backtranslate he pinyin to hieroglyphs' pill. 1574510;1480430620;phf;we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon 1574511;1480430650;mircea_popescu;alrighty, so that makes it 3-0. 1574512;1480430676;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, ya 1574513;1480430715;mircea_popescu;where the fuck's that thumbsup unicode glyph 1574514;1480430763;mircea_popescu;👍 1574515;1480430766;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha. 1574516;1480430969;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574510 << while i still prefer mircea_popescu's pinyin, this is not really true: it is still theoretically possible to do, e.g., utf16 but with strictly civilized (cultures with alphabets, and which do not fuck goats or write in own liquishit) chars 1574517;1480430969;a111;Logged on 2016-11-29 14:43 phf: we had a thread when diff was first discussed as a way to do patches (i think maybe before even v), where i was erring on the side of no unicode support on the grounds that if we decide to support unicode we have to, to borrow asciilifeforms, drink the whole spittoon 1574518;1480430993;asciilifeform;all, what, 2? 3? 4? of these around 1574519;1480431042;mircea_popescu;in principle there is a strong argument to say "alphabet size = machine word size" even if this didn't hold on pre-8 bit machines. and consequently you ~could~ have a type string that always takes 4 bytes and represents whatever the fuck. the problem is that this gives you a 400% memory allocation bloat for that type of string. 1574520;1480431075;mircea_popescu;so then people will try and optimize that, and what people mean by "optimize" is always "here, i'll take the cream, you do the work for me". 1574521;1480431078;mircea_popescu;which... meh. 1574522;1480431080;asciilifeform;it does, which is how the utf8 fudge happened. btw it was a monumentally wrong cut 1574523;1480431095;asciilifeform;compress the bloatstring with normal compressor! 1574524;1480431116;mircea_popescu;yes, this would be very close to the lisp model of variables anyway. 1574525;1480431121;asciilifeform;aha. 1574526;1480431157;mircea_popescu;but the technical problems aren't at issue here - it's the sociocultural compact of the deliberately-ignorant that are the issue. 1574527;1480431171;asciilifeform;so we gas'em 1574528;1480431179;asciilifeform;problem , solved. 1574529;1480431185;mircea_popescu;the idiot's mother is always pregnant. 1574530;1480431210;mircea_popescu;or more generally, can't have static solutions to process problems. 1574531;1480431221;asciilifeform;dynamic gas. 1574532;1480431279;asciilifeform;ants come every summer? thus also comes the anteater. 1574533;1480431283;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, no signing of V material containing non-ascii characters, agreed 1574534;1480431648;asciilifeform;utf8 or any other variadic encoding is an evil thing, makes any nontrivial operation on a string O(N) 1574535;1480431759;asciilifeform;(this is supposed to 'not matter', 'cycles are cheap', but imho a great dark age of slow cpus -- cometh) 1574536;1480431857;asciilifeform;minds will boggle re wtf the ancestors did with their multicore GHz and what they had to show for it 1574537;1480431957;BingoBoingo;FUck Unicode 1574538;1480431968;BingoBoingo;Wy so many smileys? 1574539;1480432276;*;trinque has no love for it either, agreed. 1574540;1480433003;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> speaking of above article, can i get a commitment to never signing any V material which includes any non-ascii characters ? BingoBoingo diana_coman hanbot trinque mod6 danielpbarron mircea_popescu mike_c asciilifeform davout ben_vulpes phf jurov << I commit to never signing any V material with non-ascii characters. 1574541;1480433073;mircea_popescu;omaygod this is like consensus 1574542;1480433130;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "doesn't matter cycles are cheap" happens to be exactly the gavin argument. 1574543;1480433297;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574532 << >> http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ ikr ? 1574544;1480433297;a111;Logged on 2016-11-29 14:54 asciilifeform: ants come every summer? thus also comes the anteater. 1574545;1480433756;jurov;if 8th bit set makes you barf, i'll take care not to. otherwise, idgaf. 1574546;1480433844;mircea_popescu;👍 1574547;1480433918;asciilifeform;jurov: your copy of 'diff' doesn't barf on 卍☭卍☭卍☭ ?? 1574548;1480433980;*;diana_coman programmed (briefly) long time ago for a French open-source company; with azerty keyboard + unicode support because "clients" mostly French public sector entities -> after that initial experience (in fairness the unicode part was but a very small part of it - the bulk was the overall nonsense of the "endeavours") I just stopped programming all together (I got back into it years later mainly because ...eulora) 1574549;1480434016;asciilifeform;aah the great dream of all programmers : to stop. 1574550;1480434066;diana_coman;like all stops, it was but a break I suppose; even if a ...hmmmm, 10 years break sort of thing 1574551;1480434136;jurov;% diff barf.txt barf2.txt 1574552;1480434137;jurov;1c1 1574553;1480434139;jurov;< 卍☭卍☭卍☭ 1574554;1480434140;jurov;--- 1574555;1480434142;jurov;> 卍☭☭卍☭ 1574556;1480434398;jurov;Not that need it for anything important. 1574557;1480435437;mircea_popescu;jurov does it treat the thumbsup unicode thing ? 1574558;1480435483;jurov;yes 1574559;1480435669;danielpbarron;diana_coman, same here. stopped coding till eulora 1574560;1480435729;danielpbarron;which btw i'm gonna figure out a way to automate storage procedures like withdrawing in bulk and mixing 1574561;1480435776;danielpbarron;i've done it manually so many times now, i know the procedure. just need to hook it up to the appropriate levers 1574562;1480436010;diana_coman;danielpbarron, automating storage retrieval/mixing would be great and it's sorely needed; for starters maybe have a look at the code in botstorage.cpp as that one deals with storage (it was used by an earlier version of the bot to get the ingredients directly from storage) 1574563;1480436031;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B5E5AB34C507178A1A2170F6EFC28F6DA28CD794017847D895F100E1117F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1525...5797 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.91.48.21 (ssh-rsa key from 93.91.48.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns1.inet4.cz. CZ) 1574564;1480436031;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8B213F3E99C8276EF9F4F7283718B1FC1E05CD4588623C6F20F1FED833CE1085 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1387...3419 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.208.92 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.208.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (li23-92.members.linode.com. US TX) 1574565;1480436031;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E739A834E2CE6339A7D05EEDB78D8485695F6AA890225B692F2561197FFFFBE5 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1522...2357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '142.244.231.80 (ssh-rsa key from 142.244.231.80 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ssdpdev1.srv.ualberta.ca. CA AB) 1574566;1480436032;mircea_popescu;pretty epic diff. 1574567;1480436037;danielpbarron;it's the first step towards making a buy/sell bot 1574568;1480436049;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah a proper bot mixer would be great 1574569;1480436062;mircea_popescu;i keep doing these (7971 × 0.09 + 2011 × 4.26)÷(7971+2011) calculations 1574570;1480436371;mircea_popescu;!~ticker 1574571;1480436372;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 732.25, Best ask: 732.59, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 732.59, 24 hour volume: 4529.0719437, 24 hour low: 728.68, 24 hour high: 734.89, 24 hour vwap: None 1574572;1480436749;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574555 << aaaah jurov must still be using the stock gnudiff, with the 'locale' crud still in 1574573;1480436749;a111;Logged on 2016-11-29 15:42 jurov: > 卍☭☭卍☭ 1574574;1480437186;asciilifeform;speaking of recent phuctorings, 1574575;1480437203;asciilifeform;nmap: 'Discovered open port 49152/tcp on 82.193.247.114' >>>>> https://archive.is/WAevR 1574576;1480437215;asciilifeform;^ enjoy folx 1574577;1480437219;mircea_popescu;is this good for progress ? 1574578;1480437262;asciilifeform;for mircea_popescu's 'ucibot' or similar.. 1574579;1480437302;mircea_popescu;aha 1574580;1480437316;asciilifeform;http://67.18.208.92 << 'Partido Obrero Secretaria de Prensa' 1574581;1480437317;asciilifeform;lel. 1574582;1480437342;mircea_popescu;lmao 1574583;1480437344;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1574584;1480437421;asciilifeform;http://193.170.143.70/bioinfo/joomla_2.5/ << as if debianization were not enough 1574585;1480437460;asciilifeform;http://109.226.173.67/webui >> 'Dr. Neuhaus Telekommunikation GmbH' 1574586;1480437617;asciilifeform;http://97.68.61.236 << 'Test Equipment Connection Corporation is your worldwide single source test & measurement solution with locations in the USA and Asia. Offering over 300 test equipment manufacturers... ' 1574587;1480437739;asciilifeform;http://41.204.196.156/ << www.utiliworx.co.za . 'A variety of market based instruments are currently being traded in the world and these can broadly be categorised as brown, white and green certificates. Brown certificates deals with greenhouse gas emissions like SO2, CO2 etc. and trading in these instruments are also referred to as Emissions Trading. A cap-and-trade regime is generally used to limit the amount of pollutants into th 1574588;1480437739;asciilifeform;e atmosphere. Green certificates are also known as Renewable Energy Certificates are traded...' 1574589;1480437833;asciilifeform;ok i'ma end this batch with a real gem : 1574590;1480437843;asciilifeform;openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 93.149.70.178:443 1574591;1480437867;asciilifeform;... Server certificate subject=/O=m0n0wall issuer=/O=m0n0wall' 1574592;1480437891;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/argentina-smaller-than-eulora/ << Trilema - Argentina, smaller than Eulora 1574593;1480437919;phf;huh, i thought those guys knew better 1574594;1480438053;asciilifeform;apparently -- not. 1574595;1480438078;asciilifeform;http://m0n0.ch/wall/end_announcement.php << lel: dead... 1574596;1480438146;asciilifeform;( http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FB7CABE93DD364F81470B8CE3B4F4814591FE9DB8CC09F71ABA4D7FDB057179F << above, for reference. ) 1574597;1480438224;asciilifeform;anyway, i have neither the time (presently grunting out a much-delayed and urgent item) nor inclination to do the entire backlog (what, 800 of these?! by now) by hand. 1574598;1480438226;asciilifeform;who wants - go. 1574599;1480438249;asciilifeform;hour of perl -- many glories. 1574600;1480438255;trinque;maybe Framedragger's bag 1574601;1480438261;*;trinque grunting out a few things of his own 1574602;1480438270;asciilifeform;^ trinque, shinohai , Framedragger , BingoBoingo , or whoever wants ^ 1574603;1480439234;phf;^ relevant ips http://btcbase.org/data/ips.txt probably not the whole thing, but what's in the logs 1574604;1480439290;asciilifeform;phf: i must point out, most of the 'debianized' boxes' ips are not in the log (either shot too quickly through rss, and/or ip was obscured by the long factor digits before trinque's '...' patch ) 1574605;1480439333;phf;ah, ok then 1574606;1480439380;asciilifeform;currently the best place to get these is still : 1574607;1480439388;asciilifeform;curl http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" |cut -d' ' -f23 | sort | uniq 1574608;1480439421;asciilifeform;curl http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored | grep "ssh-rsa key from" |cut -d' ' -f23 | sort | uniq | wc -l 1574609;1480439424;asciilifeform;>> 1255 1574610;1480439429;asciilifeform;of them. 1574611;1480439480;phf;right, that ips is around 250 1574612;1480439776;asciilifeform;(notice, 'moduli broken' is 1058 presently -- and this includes pre-Framedragger results; but 1255 ssh ips !) 1574613;1480439791;asciilifeform;anyway bbl 1574614;1480439914;mircea_popescu;what was that, the bsd firewall ? 1574615;1480440599;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'm0n0wall' ? yes. and ancestor , iirc, of several projects. 1574616;1480440612;asciilifeform;(incl. 'pf', etc) 1574617;1480440665;mircea_popescu;aha 1574618;1480445664;shinohai;!~ticker --market all 1574619;1480445671;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 732.04, vol: 4896.31589981 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 732.639, vol: 4087.97272 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 732.17, vol: 4964.84722487 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 746.219061, vol: 529389.92430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 733.002, vol: 841.77629479 | Volume-weighted last average: 745.840846044 1574620;1480452453;mats;'“We entered [Syria] to end the rule of the tyrant al-Assad who terrorizes with state terror. [We didn’t enter] for any other reason,” the Turkish president said at the first Inter-Parliamentary Jerusalem Platform Symposium in Istanbul, as quoted by Hurriyet daily.' 1574621;1480452474;asciilifeform;l0l! 1574622;1480452482;mats;'Erdogan said that Turkey could not “endure” the unending killing of civilians and “had to enter Syria together with the Free Syrian Army.”' 1574623;1480452498;asciilifeform;and many many buckets of kurdspray 1574624;1480452501;mats;humanitarians, the lot of em 1574625;1480452572;trinque;heh, was just about to post https://www.rt.com/news/368601-erdogan-syria-oust-assad/ 1574626;1480452596;*;trinque notices that kurds are in the middle of the russian and turkish pincers 1574627;1480452787;asciilifeform;afaik nobody but themselves really want'em alive. 1574628;1480452811;asciilifeform;( not a situation unique to kurds ! ) 1574629;1480453002;mircea_popescu;so the genocide of the future will be in the name of peace and ending tyranny ? 1574630;1480453008;mircea_popescu;i suppose that's progress right there. 1574631;1480453261;mircea_popescu;and in other goatse, http://68.media.tumblr.com/ed70d29fa7da5305779da063256d46c2/tumblr_oaxgpvHzpq1sis2mvo1_250.gif 1574632;1480453918;trinque;"they told me I could do anything, be anyone, so I drank champagne with my ass." 1574633;1480453920;trinque;what a time to be alive 1574634;1480453951;asciilifeform;trinque: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-07#487631 1574635;1480453951;a111;Logged on 2014-02-07 18:06 asciilifeform: re: hallucinogen: http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B0-quotes-786200.jpeg (translation: most often, the words 'you ought to try everything in life' refer to dope and porn acting, but much more rarely to quantum physics and chemistry' 1574636;1480461591;mats;http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/04/28/seymour-hersh-hillary-approved-sending-libya-sarin-syrian-rebels.html 1574637;1480461659;mats;TIL obama assisted syrian rebels with acquiring sarin, and then blamed assad for it when used in the field 1574638;1480461712;asciilifeform;eh it unhappened 1574639;1480461744;asciilifeform;go an' try to tell 'civilian' about it, you will end up in same 'box' as the '9/11 thermite' folx. 1574640;1480461763;mats;i haven't seen seymour hersh discredited yet 1574641;1480461816;asciilifeform;what means here 'discredited' ? 1574642;1480462134;mats;half a dozen chix go public with 'hersh raped me when i was 9' 1574643;1480462175;asciilifeform;before one merits 'discrediting' of this kind, first gotta be 'credited' 1574644;1480462195;asciilifeform;there are not yet afaik half dozen chix publicly raping themselves with, e.g., mats , or asciilifeform 1574645;1480462213;asciilifeform;gotta earn it!111 1574646;1480462253;asciilifeform;just as it takes some hard wurk to earn the michael hastings treatment. 1574647;1480462398;mats;hersh has also reported on joint chiefs of staff subverting potus on .sy matters, because his obsession with deposing assad is leaving behind hundreds of thousands of dead syrians 1574648;1480462425;mats;same fella that reported on the my lai massacre, no less, this reads as credit - to me 1574649;1480462490;asciilifeform;if my lai massacre happened today, usg may well simply 'accidentally' all of the witnesses. 1574650;1480462494;asciilifeform;right on the field. 1574651;1480462518;asciilifeform;(as was done with 'osama crew') 1574652;1480462542;trinque;makes me think this is a jihadi decimation strategy, if you can call it that. 1574653;1480462555;trinque;create meat grinders, air raid them, repeat 1574654;1480462602;trinque;a clumsy holocaust, if so 1574655;1480462614;asciilifeform;trinque: usg luuuuvvvs jihadis and every other kind of orc berserker for so long as they set fires around ru, and keep the cn and ru bases out of near east an' africa. 1574656;1480462715;asciilifeform;( there is also some planned rape-therapy of europe involved, but i will leave this aspect to the undisputed experts, mircea_popescu et al ) 1574657;1480462864;trinque;no disputing that either. the insane imperial mind may think it can create these, then erase when "no longer useful" 1574658;1480462910;asciilifeform;they tend to self-erase. 1574659;1480462911;trinque;see: kurds, once "arm the freedom fighers" and now left to be smashed between Russians and Turks 1574660;1480464292;shinohai;https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-November/042639.html 1574661;1480466584;BingoBoingo;In other college sex http://dailyegyptian.com/62890/news/siu-food-pantry-usage-three-times-higher-than-projected/ 1574662;1480467966;mod6;jurov: looks like the Bitcoin Foundation Mailing List is down: 1574663;1480467967;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev 1574664;1480467972;mod6;Thoughts? 1574665;1480468069;jurov;seems up. don't you have aws ec2 firewalled? 1574666;1480468092;jurov;or mail did not go through? 1574667;1480468256;mod6;i didn't even try to send, was just trying to view the page... 1574668;1480468264;mod6;weird. lemme try again from another place. 1574669;1480468439;mod6;i can't seem to hit it from my one thing, but from the other it's fine. 1574670;1480468506;mod6;im blocked from my one thing for sure. wonder wtf. will post image. 1574671;1480468507;mod6;just a sec. 1574672;1480468631;mod6;http://www.mod6.net/CloudFrontError.png 1574673;1480468702;shinohai;Been so busy you forgotten how to satisfy requests? >.> 1574674;1480468723;mod6;<+jurov> seems up. don't you have aws ec2 firewalled? << no not at all actually, i have an ec2 instance that i'm connected to from the same place I'm trying to make this failing request from as I type this. 1574675;1480468733;mod6;shouldn't be a problem... so weird 1574676;1480468768;jurov;will look into tomorrow if it won't clear by itself 1574677;1480468775;mod6;ok thanks jurov :] 1574678;1480468794;mod6;i can get to it outside my little sandbox, so i guess it must be fine for everyone else.. wish i knew wtf tho 1574679;1480468893;shinohai;!~btc.blocks 441204 1574680;1480468893;jhvh1;http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks?height=441204 1574681;1480470207;trinque;namecheap deleted the wot.deedbot.org record without being told! 1574682;1480470209;trinque;what the fuck. 1574683;1480470257;trinque;hm not even, it's there but not resolving 1574684;1480470277;trinque;pointed out by mod6 and shinohai in another castle 1574685;1480470316;shinohai;namecheap is now known as namecheat 1574686;1480470575;mod6;savages 1574687;1480470757;trinque;I have a hard time seeing how a single DNS record within the set could accidentally be missing. 1574688;1480470940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B5E5AB34C507178A1A2170F6EFC28F6DA28CD794017847D895F100E1117F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2717...2039 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.91.48.21 (ssh-rsa key from 93.91.48.21 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (ns1.inet4.cz. CZ) 1574689;1480470940;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8B213F3E99C8276EF9F4F7283718B1FC1E05CD4588623C6F20F1FED833CE1085 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2065...4871 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '67.18.208.92 (ssh-rsa key from 67.18.208.92 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (li23-92.members.linode.com. US TX) 1574690;1480471393;jurov;i'd recommend joker.com for domains, typically swiss approach, using them for years. but they don't accept bitcoins. 1574691;1480475025;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574660 << https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-November/042641.html lul 1574692;1480475025;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 00:04 shinohai: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2016-November/042639.html 1574693;1480476102;deedbot;http://trinque.org/2016/11/29/namecheap-the-incompetent-namecheap-the-nameless/ << trinque - Namecheap the Incompetent, Namecheap the Nameless 1574694;1480477236;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats 1574695;1480477237;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 441218 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 285 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 23 hours, 10 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1574696;1480477849;mircea_popescu;trinque so what did you move to ? 1574697;1480478018;trinque;I guess I'll try jurov's thing 1574698;1480478066;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574637 << nobel prize, you know ? 1574699;1480478066;a111;Logged on 2016-11-29 23:20 mats: TIL obama assisted syrian rebels with acquiring sarin, and then blamed assad for it when used in the field 1574700;1480478088;mircea_popescu;trinque i dun recall which that was ? 1574701;1480478124;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574690 1574702;1480478124;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 02:03 jurov: i'd recommend joker.com for domains, typically swiss approach, using them for years. but they don't accept bitcoins. 1574703;1480478191;mircea_popescu;ah. 1574704;1480478212;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574651 < imagine the sort of imbeciles who still work for this very dubious employer after that. 1574705;1480478212;a111;Logged on 2016-11-29 23:35 asciilifeform: (as was done with 'osama crew') 1574706;1480478431;mircea_popescu;da fuck, 8 yo needs 2 mris ? 1574707;1480478434;mircea_popescu;shoot the kid. 1574708;1480480803;mod6;jurov: ok, i can get to 'http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev' just fine now. 1574709;1480480857;mod6;but I did send an email to the ML about 2.5 hours ago that didn't get bounced. probably stuck in the pipe again. 1574710;1480481962;mats;the shell code in this tor bug looks almost exactly like the one in fbi 'network investigative tool' from three years ago 1574711;1480484241;trinque;!!deed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BkLhL/?raw=true 1574712;1480484294;deedbot;accepted: 1 1574713;1480486076;mats;looks like this is mentioned in the tor ml already 1574714;1480486510;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2016/11/18-year-old-somali-child-killed-by-police-at-the-ohio-state-university/#comment-80156 1574715;1480486725;BingoBoingo;3 comments 1574716;1480486828;trinque;ahaha wd 1574717;1480486934;*;trinque would love to know where these people came from 1574718;1480486955;BingoBoingo;ALmost certainly reddit 1574719;1480486962;trinque;"if'n u don't like it, u kin geeedddout" 1574720;1480487140;BingoBoingo;Seriously not a single attempt to read any of the linked content to develop context on the venue 1574721;1480487154;asciilifeform;!~ later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rC2tS/?raw=true 1574722;1480487154;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded. 1574723;1480487404;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/11/18-year-old-somali-child-killed-by-police-at-the-ohio-state-university/#comment-80158 << lel 1574724;1480487690;trinque;http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/29/german-domestic-intelligence-officer-arrested-plotting-islamic-terror-attack/ << in other beat'em join'em conundrums 1574725;1480487794;BingoBoingo;lol 1574726;1480488014;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the best part of light satire is trolling the people who in their hearts want to believe with us but can't because idiot redditards. 1574727;1480497679;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-441235.txt 1574728;1480504180;jurov;mod6: looks like mailman crashed, after restarting it delivered fine. Last thing logged was: 1574729;1480504183;jurov;Nov 30 04:40:29 2016 (22747) Hostile listname: btc-dev' 1574730;1480504193;jurov;interdasting 1574731;1480511056;mircea_popescu;mailman rose up in arms against the very list it was supposed to return ?! 1574732;1480514588;mircea_popescu;lol the butthurt re that qntra is pretty good. 1574733;1480514693;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6440B35451CC5447607C04C7DEA4AB3D37F134168ABC3ABE6B9361A5F581DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1585...2717 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.234.129.246 (ssh-rsa key from 207.234.129.246 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (207-234-129-246.ptr.primarydns.com. US FL) 1574734;1480514719;mircea_popescu; Seriously not a single attempt to read any of the linked content to develop context on the venue << i dunno dood, "the serene republic of somalia" etc. they be trynna. 1574735;1480514968;mircea_popescu;and in other news us T bonds are getting massacred. 1574736;1480515046;mircea_popescu;the 10year is up 7.0 base points no less! 1574737;1480515169;BingoBoingo;Inflation is coming 1574738;1480515201;mircea_popescu;basically now that obama's out, the saudis finally agreed to cut the flood ; oil jumped like 10% after they announced. 1574739;1480515256;mircea_popescu;(iran, the us's only apparently remaining ally in the world, decided not to participate) 1574740;1480515310;mircea_popescu;srsly, the world is now a us-iran partnership trying to stand up to a russian-turkey alliance while a very horny europe is drooling cunt juice on one side and a rather geeky china is holding its distance on the other side. 1574741;1480515424;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo not just inflation. yields are higher and growing rapidly ; the dollar is strengthening and stocks are going up. this is the classical desperation run-up to black tuesday. 1574742;1480515456;BingoBoingo;Aha 1574743;1480515462;mircea_popescu;whatever his plans, desires, choices whatever, it seems absolutely certain trump will have a major depression on his hands ; to the tune of "70% of this country's wealth evaporated overnight ; wut do ?!?!" 1574744;1480515516;BingoBoingo;Blame Obama and CLinton! 1574745;1480515555;mircea_popescu;the odds of the syrian situation blowing up into actual war ru+tk vs us+iran (but without nato) are actually non-trivial by now. 1574746;1480515836;mircea_popescu;to be perfectly fair : the dems tried to set up bush the bomb in exactly the same manner in 2000 ; and then the democrat-alligned osama set bush the bomb fo reals. 1574747;1480515869;mircea_popescu;so it is vaguely possible hillary&friends actually have some sarin in say new york subway, not just at the bases of their jenissary in syria. 1574748;1480516044;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/opec-agrees-to-cut-output/ << Qntra - OPEC Agrees To Cut Output 1574749;1480516073;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo prolly also link the log. 1574750;1480516093;BingoBoingo;Will do 1574751;1480516139;mircea_popescu;anyway, should be interesting if italy votes to exit. 1574752;1480516149;mircea_popescu;(dec 4th - they're even advertising it here.) 1574753;1480516333;mircea_popescu;ahahah warren called mnuchin the forrest gump of the financial crisis. 1574754;1480516581;mircea_popescu;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-erdogan-idUSKBN13P136 << o wait. lol. 1574755;1480517200;asciilifeform;'Philip Morris CEO looks towards phasing out cigarettes: BBC' << lel 1574756;1480517220;asciilifeform;'The company's IQOS smokeless cigarette, which is already on sale in over a dozen markets including Japan, Switzerland and Italy, heats tobacco enough to produce a vapor without burning it. The company believes that makes it much less harmful than cigarettes.' << i thought this died in 1970s..? 1574757;1480518202;jurov;nope, e-cigs are a thing here 1574758;1480518258;jurov;though they do make smoke, but smells good, unlike classical cigs 1574759;1480518653;BingoBoingo;jurov: Different sort of monster http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=117913 1574760;1480518698;BingoBoingo;Last major incarnation of this was stick full of tobacco where small charcoal disk burned for maximum carbon monoxide exposure 1574761;1480519276;jurov;ever seen water pipe? it uses charcoal puck, too. and CO isn't very well absorbed by water (unlike CO2) 1574762;1480519338;jurov;i'd prefer that all way than burning sugar, menthol and zillion other additives they put to classical cigs 1574763;1480519416;jurov;so, it all looks to me one part of tobacco industry FUDdind an other one 1574764;1480519425;jurov;*FUDding 1574765;1480519803;asciilifeform;jurov: the lulzy bit is that the 'heated tobacco' thing was a 1970s (and possibly prior) crackpottery 1574766;1480519876;asciilifeform;jurov: 'e-cig' does not (unless broke down and battery on fire...) emit smoke, it sputters out propylene glycol (theatrical smoke) 1574767;1480519901;BingoBoingo;jurov: the linked eclipse thing is cigarette shaped fiberglass reinforced paper tube tipped with charcoal. Is a lulzy thing best not stuck in mouth. 1574768;1480519903;asciilifeform;same thing as in asthmatic inhaler device. 1574769;1480519919;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha, linked item is different, it seems to still have fuel/fire in it 1574770;1480519925;*;jurov not an expert 1574771;1480519945;*;asciilifeform also not an expert, but used to work with a d00d who was a serious aficionado 1574772;1480521355;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6440B35451CC5447607C04C7DEA4AB3D37F134168ABC3ABE6B9361A5F581DD << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1386...2457 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '207.234.129.246 (ssh-rsa key from 207.234.129.246 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) ; ' (207-234-129-246.ptr.primarydns.com. US FL) 1574773;1480524612;mircea_popescu;anything but "go back to pure tobacco" huh. 1574774;1480524615;mircea_popescu;ANYTHING but that 1574775;1480524720;mircea_popescu;re water pipe - the liquid is infrequently changed, certainly not often enough to maintain co2 solvency 1574776;1480525023;asciilifeform;tobacco, like 'generic pharma', is 'unamerican', can't sell generic leaf that grows on half planet, must sell INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY!11111 1574777;1480525033;asciilifeform;(leaf + proprietary crapolade) 1574778;1480525233;jurov;i have read that tobacco must be dried slowly (like, a month) otherwise it retains more sugar which burns nastily 1574779;1480525263;jurov;such slow process is anathema to anything industrial 1574780;1480525423;mircea_popescu;i have no idea why. shipping for isntance takes 3mo + and apparently they prefer it that way. 1574781;1480527924;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the idiots at the guardian made a begging banner which has an X that is not connected to anything, just drawn on the banner itself. 1574782;1480527975;mircea_popescu;meanwhile according to reddit, theguardian.com is a respectable source and qntra.net is the spamsite. because totally. 1574783;1480528070;mircea_popescu;all this to see george monbiot try his best to sell the "our fake citizens groups are for real and everything else is fake" line. 1574784;1480528886;asciilifeform;in other 'news', MOTHERFUCKER, curl STRIPS NEWLINES by default wtf 1574785;1480528893;mircea_popescu;it does ? 1574786;1480528894;*;asciilifeform was convinced that we had this thread 1574787;1480528956;asciilifeform;cat clearsigned_thing.txt | curl -H "Content-type: text/plain" --d @- http://machine 1574788;1480528961;asciilifeform;results in soup 1574789;1480528963;asciilifeform;cat clearsigned_thing.txt | curl -H "Content-type: text/plain" --data-binary @- http://machine 1574790;1480528964;asciilifeform;worx. 1574791;1480528977;mircea_popescu;likely the fault of machine 1574792;1480528994;asciilifeform;nope. 1574793;1480529012;mircea_popescu;well,we had this thread (iirc you brought it up), came out it was fault of machine. 1574794;1480529025;asciilifeform;did we.. 1574795;1480529026;asciilifeform;? 1574796;1480529035;mircea_popescu;yeah most recently re wotpaste. 1574797;1480529100;asciilifeform;curl 7.30.0 really does seem to munge newlines unless 'binary' mode. 1574798;1480529124;mircea_popescu;hm. 1574799;1480529459;shinohai;I've used --data-raw to good effect and didn't get newlines stripped 1574800;1480530532;mircea_popescu;may be a matter of curl version also 1574801;1480534200;mod6;jurov: thanks for pushing that one through and taking care of mailman. 1574802;1480534999;asciilifeform;!!up yalehasaquestion 1574803;1480534999;deedbot;yalehasaquestion voiced for 30 minutes. 1574804;1480535032;yalehasaquestion;hey, I'd like to know, I've been running a listening node, and I added 46.166.165.30 as a peer -- but I don't look like I'm connected to it 1574805;1480535063;asciilifeform;yalehasaquestion: that's my node. where are you connecting from. 1574806;1480535063;asciilifeform;? 1574807;1480535094;yalehasaquestion;Toronto, ON - 129.33.193.187 1574808;1480535158;asciilifeform;stay tuned 1574809;1480535160;yalehasaquestion;would it have something to do with the fact that I'm running core 0.13.1? 1574810;1480535172;asciilifeform;you aren't on the banhammer list 1574811;1480535179;asciilifeform;HOWEVER 1574812;1480535211;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wFTLy/?raw=true 1574813;1480535212;asciilifeform;all of asciilifeform's nodes are equipped with Malleus MikeHearnificarum 1574814;1480535212;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded. 1574815;1480535214;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum 1574816;1480535277;yalehasaquestion;I am interested in understanding what that is, however I'm not much of an expert on such things 1574817;1480535278;asciilifeform;yalehasaquestion: i'll check the logs for your node, brb 1574818;1480535336;yalehasaquestion;nice patch haha 1574819;1480535342;trinque;yalehasaquestion: on another note, why are you running "core 0.13.1" ? 1574820;1480535348;trinque;yet inquiring here 1574821;1480535361;*;shinohai was about to ask the same question. 1574822;1480535383;yalehasaquestion;I am curious about your community, and I'm learning 1574823;1480535404;trinque;fair nuff 1574824;1480535416;yalehasaquestion;and it is your node -- I mean, I could be doing this wrong :) 1574825;1480535438;asciilifeform;yalehasaquestion: oddly enough, no record of any connections from your ip 1574826;1480535439;shinohai;Best way to learn is to go to http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html and stand up your own trb node. 1574827;1480535445;trinque;^ 1574828;1480535474;yalehasaquestion;I am trying to understand your views on segwit 1574829;1480535483;yalehasaquestion;I haven't seen enough to really understand 1574830;1480535502;asciilifeform;it may be the case that 'core 0.13.1' (which is an imposter pseudo-bitcoin client, see below) refuses to speak with trb. 1574831;1480535506;asciilifeform;!#s prb 1574832;1480535507;a111;181 results for "prb", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=prb 1574833;1480535545;asciilifeform;!#s segwit 1574834;1480535545;a111;62 results for "segwit", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=segwit 1574835;1480535556;asciilifeform;yalehasaquestion ^ you will get the best mileage from reading the chan logs 1574836;1480535562;asciilifeform;and using the search box. 1574837;1480535585;trinque;yalehasaquestion: various creatures of ill repute have been bolting all kinds of insane shit to the codebase formerly known as bitcoin for years now 1574838;1480535663;asciilifeform;yalehasaquestion: trb ( therealbitcoin.org ) is the ~actual~ bitcoin client. approximately as-it-was in 2012, with minor cleanups. 1574839;1480535736;yalehasaquestion;am I correct that segwit will be backwards compatible? 1574840;1480535751;trinque;this is not a general Q&A 1574841;1480535757;yalehasaquestion;okay. 1574842;1480535760;asciilifeform;trinque: humour the n00b 1574843;1480535772;asciilifeform;yalehasaquestion: answer is no, it is disinfo. 1574844;1480535799;asciilifeform;it is (the umpteenth) attempt to break bitcoin. 1574845;1480535810;asciilifeform;by the usual suspects. 1574846;1480535822;trinque;!#s hearn 1574847;1480535822;a111;468 results for "hearn", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hearn 1574848;1480535825;trinque;!#s gavin 1574849;1480535826;a111;1134 results for "gavin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gavin 1574850;1480535860;*;trinque is humoring, yet n00b must be encouraged to start at the beginning 1574851;1480535897;yalehasaquestion;yes, I guess I do. 1574852;1480535902;yalehasaquestion;well thanks gents 1574853;1480535915;asciilifeform;np. 1574854;1480535922;asciilifeform;please consider reading the chan logs, yalehasaquestion . 1574855;1480536089;trinque;for six months. 1574856;1480536786;jurov;asciilifeform: iirc anything past 0.10.x won't speak with trb 1574857;1480536826;asciilifeform;jurov: i must admit that it has been eons since i set up a prb, and the last one i tested was iirc 0.8.something (which worked with trb) 1574858;1480536870;jurov;i remember 0.11 flatly refused 1574859;1480536878;jurov;synced with 0.10.4 1574860;1480536884;asciilifeform;i wouldn't put it past the imbeciles to try to split the net via node diddling alone. 1574861;1480537087;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg-Gq9ijmFY << in other lulz. 1574862;1480537096;asciilifeform;'Watch Man Effortlessly Grab Bucket of Gold Worth $1.6M From Open Truck' 1574863;1480537174;asciilifeform;( tastes great with the old 'costs of guarding gold' and 'misalignment of incentives of guard and master' threads ) 1574864;1480537323;asciilifeform;( 'stalin's' algorithm of guarding gold, i.e. 'if it is lost, shoot everyone who might have sold the coordinates of the convoy' doesn't necessarily work either, because somewhere high enough in the chain there is usually someone who is 1) unshootable + 2) knows the coords ) 1574865;1480537373;asciilifeform;this is really in re the old 'bitcoin at the nsa' thread but i've misplaced the date. 1574866;1480538732;mircea_popescu;i think jurov has it. 1574867;1480538753;mircea_popescu;something something optimized something something whatever. 1574868;1480539214;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/AIEmq << in other 'optimizations' . 1574869;1480539276;mircea_popescu;o hey, trilema payments for "linux news" ? 1574870;1480539300;asciilifeform;that part is iirc old noose 1574871;1480539311;asciilifeform;as is the subj, actually, shitgnomes are pretty close to breaking emacs 1574872;1480539349;mircea_popescu;o hey, so in the end vi wins ? 1574873;1480539358;asciilifeform;magnetized needle wins. 1574874;1480539422;asciilifeform;linked piece is lulzy on account of the idiot 'solution' picked on the victim end, 'That solution comes in the form of the "portable dumper" patch from Daniel Colascione. This patch is not small; it adds over 4,500 lines of code to Emacs and it is not yet complete...' 1574875;1480539435;asciilifeform;instead of 'find the poetterings and impale' 1574876;1480539453;mircea_popescu;actually from what i can grok from that piece, the proposed solution (dump unexec, move on to saving elisp stack) is actually an improv meent 1574877;1480539480;asciilifeform;theoretically. 1574878;1480539509;mircea_popescu;well, from a system design perspective. it makes 0 sense for emacs to actually save c machine state. 1574879;1480539522;mircea_popescu;it also makes 0 sense for it to be a c piece of code, but that's a discussion for another time 1574880;1480539600;asciilifeform;emacs, in case anyone forgot, is made of 2 pieces - a megatonne bucked of crud written in 1970-era shitlisp, and an interpreter (yes) thereof 1574881;1480539611;asciilifeform;the latter is a native binary for whatever box the thing is running on. 1574882;1480539618;mircea_popescu;"The number of people aboard who can matter-of-factly hack the Emacs internals on the C level is consistently going down, and is already so small they can be counted on one hand. We must make Emacs depend less on people from this small and diminishing group, if we want the development pace increased or even kept at its current level." << this is a very solid point. 1574883;1480539619;asciilifeform;*bucket 1574884;1480539652;mircea_popescu;seems evident the correct solution is to get that proper lisp bootstrap i was discussing with phf and then re-write emacs in it. 1574885;1480539661;mircea_popescu;really c has no business in any of it. 1574886;1480539674;asciilifeform;has no business anywhere, really. 1574887;1480539685;asciilifeform;but there is also a 3rd piece in emacs 1574888;1480539694;mircea_popescu;"elisp" is in no better situation ftr. 1574889;1480539705;asciilifeform;which in fact is the reason anyone even uses it: 30 years of elisp extensions. 1574890;1480539716;asciilifeform;which rely on bug-for-bug compatibility with the morass. 1574891;1480539718;mircea_popescu;very much the python problem. 1574892;1480539736;mircea_popescu;anyway. like it or not - it's time for a newmacs. 1574893;1480539741;asciilifeform;it is, laugh or cry, an actual problem, and imho the reason climacs was stillborn 1574894;1480539767;asciilifeform;because at the end of the day, when choosing between '30 yrs of muscle memory' and 'MAYBE new emacs 30 yrs from now' everyone picked the former. 1574895;1480539787;asciilifeform;the visigoths will write newmacs. 1574896;1480539791;mircea_popescu;aha. 1574897;1480539814;mircea_popescu;muscle memory is the thinking man's worst enemy ; not least of all because it tends to win. 1574898;1480539851;asciilifeform;it is (and mthread / davout are invited to correct me , i am an armchair admiral ) as i understand, the reason why airplane today still has rudder pedals. 1574899;1480539879;asciilifeform;i have here a b00k on piloting circa 1940, and already then author insists that rudder pedals are obsolete and have killed a thousand men 1574900;1480539893;asciilifeform;( rudder can and many times has been mechanically-linked to ailerons ) 1574901;1480539912;asciilifeform;and in a machine with such linkage, corkscrew is almost impossible. 1574902;1480539921;asciilifeform;but men expect pedals. and so there they are. 1574903;1480539936;asciilifeform;*mthreat 1574904;1480540326;asciilifeform;re elisp, imho the 'apocalyptic' scale of the problem is overblown, if every d00d were to rewrite the few 100 of elisp that he actually ~uses~, in climacs, or whereever, job would be done in a week. 1574905;1480540344;mircea_popescu;in principle this should be automatable tro a huge degree 1574906;1480540358;mircea_popescu;reducing the problem to "if every dude ran this script and then picked multiple-choice options 5 times" 1574907;1480540363;asciilifeform;in practice automassaged code is junk. 1574908;1480540369;asciilifeform;because abstractions are not portable. 1574909;1480540378;asciilifeform;( ever use a fortran to c converter ?? ) 1574910;1480540403;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574904 << word 1574911;1480540403;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:12 asciilifeform: re elisp, imho the 'apocalyptic' scale of the problem is overblown, if every d00d were to rewrite the few 100 of elisp that he actually ~uses~, in climacs, or whereever, job would be done in a week. 1574912;1480540415;ben_vulpes;betcha that's exactly what gabriel_laddel did 1574913;1480540417;ben_vulpes;does 1574914;1480540438;asciilifeform;i currently have nfi what, if anything, he did other than bum around. 1574915;1480540458;asciilifeform;and fight with other bums over bag of pennies 1574916;1480540510;trinque;is climacs usable to this degree? 1574917;1480540522;asciilifeform;d00d suffers from the traditional disease of the 19yo 'night h4ck3r' , crippling tunnel vision 1574918;1480540523;trinque;I keep hoping for a g_l writeup on the subj, but do not see a blog anywhere 1574919;1480540571;mircea_popescu;i dunno, he's very reluctant to discipline 1574920;1480540573;asciilifeform;no blog, no postbox... 1574921;1480540578;asciilifeform;no pubkey. 1574922;1480540606;asciilifeform;the man refuses to... exist 1574923;1480540620;asciilifeform;( how am i to reason about 'his' code, when none of it is signed, and there is naught to sign it with ..? ) 1574924;1480540728;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1574925;1480540930;asciilifeform;i've wondered if he doesn't have a secret and dire problem with dope or similar. 1574926;1480540944;trinque;there was a "10 cans of soda" thread 1574927;1480540965;asciilifeform;iirc he lives in those lands where dopes are plentiful and cheap. 1574928;1480540998;mircea_popescu;all lands are those lands. 1574929;1480541008;asciilifeform;some > than others. 1574930;1480541113;trinque;at any rate, if I were to invest time in climacs, that is time stolen from learning osdev to put a lisp interpreter on iron, which is time stolen from learning to fab silicon in a garage, which is time stolen from ... 1574931;1480541166;trinque;call it the alf-dilemma. 1574932;1480541190;trinque;recursive even! 1574933;1480541944;phf;breaks my heart all that's been done to emacs. it used to have a strong culture of backwards compatibility. large packages would have compat files compat-19.el, compat-20.el, etc. where's now only latest and greatest work. used to be very non-dwim, now every single package insist on some "smart input" dwimy interaction mode. but all this complexity is broken, things clash and interact with each other in all kinds of funny ways 1574934;1480542410;phf;i've been low-key reviving cmucl's hemlock, can't use portable hemlock nor climacs for that matter, because neither have terminal versions. needless to say the process is slow and painful. like right now i'm trying to figure out why scrolling the buffer is slow slow you can see each individual line redrawing. also arrow keys don't work 1574935;1480542639;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574893 << fwiw mit-scheme's editor edwin has an elisp emulation layer, that reportedly can run gnus of some vintage. when i heard about climacs from beach i actually though he was going to do an elisp translator too. one option might be to pickup edwin, but that's an exercise for someone else entirely 1574936;1480542639;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:02 asciilifeform: it is, laugh or cry, an actual problem, and imho the reason climacs was stillborn 1574937;1480542982;trinque;I'll be clinging to a frozen emacs version and frozen pile of elisp til valhalla. 1574938;1480543048;trinque;seems this runs the risk of continuously being a refugee. "they broke my emacs, so I left for hemlock/climacs/etc, then they broke my X, then they broke my ..." 1574939;1480543056;trinque;and of course they *will* 1574940;1480543398;phf;well, we've already established that running everything on 2005 thinkpads is one viable option, but that's until supplies last 1574941;1480543435;phf;*while 1574942;1480543452;*;shinohai is still trying to source a nice 2005 thinkpad 1574943;1480543765;trinque;phf: dunno that I'm making an argument for anything *else* either 1574944;1480543796;trinque;though a topic I've been thinking upon a lot is, trigger warnings to asciilifeform, mitigations 1574945;1480543822;trinque;though hardware ones, and not the kind normally meant 1574946;1480543831;trinque;his serial diode concept being a good example 1574947;1480544005;trinque;I've thought having a hardware parser/filter on a serial line where only certain bits can possibly flow over, and only in certain order, would compliment it. 1574948;1480544109;phf;pray, mr. babbage 1574949;1480544231;asciilifeform;^ 1574950;1480544241;asciilifeform;i'd be curious to hear what trinque had in mind tho. 1574951;1480544276;asciilifeform;'diode' is ancient idea, and imho quite self-explanatory, it's a 1way valve, bits go --> but not <-- . 1574952;1480544333;asciilifeform;anything more complicated / stateful tends to be called 'firewall', and also to suck. 1574953;1480544375;trinque;"diode" is just cutting wire 1574954;1480544429;trinque;and something quite stupid and forth-y could handle parsing a rudimentary set of possible statements to a db which eats from one serial port, shits to another 1574955;1480544430;asciilifeform;there are variations on the theme, involving, e.g., optocouplers, but yes. 1574956;1480544444;asciilifeform;trinque will like 'p'. 1574957;1480544484;phf;or bpf 1574958;1480544543;asciilifeform;phf: do you happen to know off the top of your head , what is the mass of bpf ? 1574959;1480544578;asciilifeform;because i noticed interesting thing, supposedly 'simple' things will have a border beyond which the complexity explodes for 'no reason' , as per the 'cat' thread from 2 yrs ago 1574960;1480544708;phf;i don't know. it has a whitepaper though 1574961;1480544713;phf;http://www.tcpdump.org/papers/bpf-usenix93.pdf 1574962;1480544716;asciilifeform;bad sign. 1574963;1480544728;phf;well, it's a 93 whitepaper :) 1574964;1480544737;asciilifeform;at any rate, i can hardly imagine that ~current~ ver of ~anything, even 'cat', is below 10,001 line.. 1574965;1480544744;asciilifeform;gotta support TARDICODE 1574966;1480544749;asciilifeform;and zimbabwe locale 1574967;1480544754;asciilifeform;and and and and 1574968;1480544773;asciilifeform;EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPHS 1574969;1480544775;asciilifeform;etc. 1574970;1480544806;phf;cat ought to be 8-bit clean, i suspect most of the bloat will come from gnu attempting all kinds of optimization. it probably optionally mmaps cat foo, etc. 1574971;1480544806;asciilifeform;and properly-gendered-neutered comments. 1574972;1480544818;asciilifeform;phf: cat is afaik 8bit clean nowhere. 1574973;1480544824;asciilifeform;(certainly not on my gentoo boxes) 1574974;1480544886;trinque;http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/bin/cat/cat.c 1574975;1480544886;phf;well, i only have plan9 cat on my box and it's trully tiny, but then it's plan9 (just does read/write to buf[8192]) 1574976;1480544960;asciilifeform;http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/bin/cat/cat.c?rev=1.26&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup << what an abortion ! 1574977;1480544971;asciilifeform;why, for instance, does 'cook_buf' exist?!!!! 1574978;1480544991;asciilifeform;if (ch == '\n') { 1574979;1480544991;asciilifeform; if (eflag && putchar('$') == EOF) 1574980;1480544991;asciilifeform; break; 1574981;1480544991;asciilifeform;... 1574982;1480544997;asciilifeform;does that look like 8bit clean to you, phf ? 1574983;1480545012;asciilifeform;why does 'cat' CARE WHAT IS IN THE MOTHERFUCKING PIPE omfg 1574984;1480545045;asciilifeform;who asked it ?!!! 1574985;1480545061;phf;i've no idea what that cook_buf is supposed to do 1574986;1480545075;asciilifeform;i can see in five seconds of looking, that it LOOKS at the chars !! 1574987;1480545077;asciilifeform;why!! 1574988;1480545084;asciilifeform;what possible business does it have doing so. 1574989;1480545086;trinque;https://gist.github.com/pete/665971 << kinda neat 1574990;1480545106;asciilifeform;trinque: ty, that's the logz link i wanted to put in this thread. 1574991;1480545146;trinque;plan9 one is least offensive for sure 1574992;1480545151;trinque;phf: what do you run plan9 userland on? 1574993;1480545152;asciilifeform;it is the correct one. 1574994;1480545260;phf;trinque: i very rarely explicitly run it, it's just there for when i want to read some c code. i sometimes gauge tool sanity by trying to do the same thing with plan9 tools. anyway it's plan9port running on mac 10.9.5 1574995;1480545306;asciilifeform;http://plan9.bell-labs.com << how long has this been dead 1574996;1480545318;phf;(it also has a nifty set of astro tools, that i use to chart the skys from time to time, because it's really easy to use and i don't know any better) 1574997;1480545336;asciilifeform;and lol, NOKIA bell labs?! 1574998;1480545351;asciilifeform;soooo lucent bought by nokia, and the latter now by microshit, which now owns the bones of bell labs. 1574999;1480545357;asciilifeform;apparently. 1575000;1480545408;phf;april 15, 2015 huh 1575001;1480545412;trinque;they got it a .io for the better to hackernews you with 1575002;1480545417;trinque;http://9p.io 1575003;1480545454;phf;a graveyard 1575004;1480545496;asciilifeform;plan9port-20140306.tgz source tree as of 2014-03-06 Mar 6, 2014 51.99MB 1575005;1480545504;asciilifeform;pretty heavy if you ask me. 1575006;1480545536;asciilifeform;can't speak for others, but i very much do not think i will produce a 52MB tgz of source with own hands before dead. 1575007;1480545542;phf;lol you find flaws with ~everything~. it's utf-8 heavy, no reason to even look :p 1575008;1480545622;asciilifeform;something like macsyma, which tried to encompass all of undergrad maths and some beyond, was what, 2MB zipped. 1575009;1480545729;asciilifeform;obesity is not per se damning but i'd really love to know wtf there is justifiably 52 zipped MB of , in there. 1575010;1480545761;phf;probably mercurial tree 1575011;1480545765;asciilifeform;ugh 1575012;1480545777;asciilifeform;i knew it -- liquishit. 1575013;1480545871;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574940 << not that viable. couldn't get planescape torment to run. 1575014;1480545871;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 22:03 phf: well, we've already established that running everything on 2005 thinkpads is one viable option, but that's until supplies last 1575015;1480545976;asciilifeform;phf: you were right, thing is ~117M unpacked, 53 of which is .hg idiocy. 1575016;1480546002;asciilifeform;and 28M : ... guess it ... 1575017;1480546003;asciilifeform;fonts. 1575018;1480546050;phf;oh that makes sense, they use bitmap fonts 1575019;1480546072;asciilifeform;8.9M plan9port/postscript/font << apparently not only. 1575020;1480546106;phf;i think that's a separate set for their own postscript implementation 1575021;1480546125;mircea_popescu;brother. 1575022;1480546127;asciilifeform;13M plan9port/font/shinonome <<< i misread this as 'shitgnome' when it scrolled by and did a double take 1575023;1480546327;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574985 << cook the buffer. evidently! 1575024;1480546327;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 22:31 phf: i've no idea what that cook_buf is supposed to do 1575025;1480546356;trinque;in reading the source, the bsd folks crapped a bunch of things that should be in a sed-like into cat. 1575026;1480546359;trinque;because reasons. 1575027;1480546382;asciilifeform;because children who should have fallen into the lake and drowned. 1575028;1480546399;asciilifeform;but did not, and grew up to program computer. 1575029;1480546423;mircea_popescu;so computer fell in a lake and drowned. 1575030;1480546441;asciilifeform;aha. 1575031;1480546605;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574998 << funny how the us dept of whatever "private company" is the buyer of last resort for all these. 1575032;1480546605;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 22:35 asciilifeform: soooo lucent bought by nokia, and the latter now by microshit, which now owns the bones of bell labs. 1575033;1480546617;asciilifeform;noshit 1575034;1480546647;asciilifeform;though afaik 'bones of bell labs' is a small prize. 1575035;1480546667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu probably could have bought it , and not even have to sell one mig. 1575036;1480546674;asciilifeform;('why' is separate q) 1575037;1480546675;mircea_popescu;the undigested corn nibblets in used toilet are no sort of prize whatsoever ; except for bacteria. 1575038;1480546731;asciilifeform;and i did think that these niblets had already gone through many an arse and had 0 way to do 1575039;1480546732;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575009 << i was gonna say, "fonts", but then you found on your own. 1575040;1480546732;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 22:42 asciilifeform: obesity is not per se damning but i'd really love to know wtf there is justifiably 52 zipped MB of , in there. 1575041;1480546739;mircea_popescu;i learned a lot about fonts in my recent foray. 1575042;1480546745;mircea_popescu;major nighthole, the fonts. 1575043;1480546761;asciilifeform;having once attempted a font render engine, asciilifeform knows a bit also. 1575044;1480546773;phf;metafont fits in head 1575045;1480546818;mircea_popescu;phf even limiting the matter to ttfs (seriously, postcript is a whole extra layer of crazy) one quickly discovers some very serious conceptual problems. i don't even mean from a technological pov. 1575046;1480546831;phf;now the question of whether or not designing a font language that simulates movement of calligraphic brushstrokes is a good idea.. 1575047;1480546841;asciilifeform;iirc truetype is a much heavier and more malodorous latrine than postscript 1575048;1480546864;asciilifeform;(postscript is, approximately, a hypertrophied forth) 1575049;1480546884;mircea_popescu;consider a simpler problem - you wish for whatever reason to "pick a good font". suppose your "good" is specified. you proceed to... look at fonts, selected by some criteria. eventually you are tired to the point your eyes blur, and haven't seen 5% of the available offerigs in "gothic medieval" from one place. there's more places. when are you done ? 1575050;1480546919;mircea_popescu;a) you can not meaningfully say if you've found a "good" font, seeing how you can't say what portion of fonts youv'e actually seen ; b) the very notion of good font is impossible because in principle all possible fonts were made already in triplicate. 1575051;1480546942;asciilifeform;the sane answer is that machine needs at most 2, fixed and variadic width, and with such a renderer that each can display at any scale without pixillation. 1575052;1480546943;asciilifeform;the end. 1575053;1480546952;mircea_popescu;so you are essentially looking at a collection of ink spots, until you fall over. 1575054;1480546976;mircea_popescu;there is absoloutely no reason there should be more than maybe a dozen or so fonts. but there are, because "easy to make", and in spite of the rapidly diminishing returns of "making". 1575055;1480546985;mircea_popescu;instead, those rapidly diminishing returns drive a diminishing of quality. 1575056;1480547002;*;asciilifeform has 2 buttons on his keyboard, 1 opens term with 'small' fixed font, other with 'big' 1575057;1480547051;mircea_popescu;so upon meditation, this becomes very much an application of the disaster of commons discussed in http://trilema.com/2016/honor-societies-vs-respect-societies-or-how-the-disaster-of-commons-sunk-the-western-world/ : in order for fonts to be useful, they'd have to be few. however, because it's costly to enforce and the individual interest is missaligned, the result is... many. 1575058;1480547081;mircea_popescu;this is not so different from the problem of, eg, emacs. or plan9. or any software. or any fucking shop in a town, or a mall. why the fuck are there FIFTY fast food offering the same crap in the food court ? 1575059;1480547095;asciilifeform;'As more people with less commitment to quality and much less attention to detail got involved in writing it, its educational value diminished, too. It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an in 1575060;1480547096;asciilifeform;spiration to future authors.' 1575061;1480547101;asciilifeform;( http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243717585684194@naggum.no.html ) 1575062;1480547103;mircea_popescu;it's not even that they're broken in tech terms. this shit is broken culturally. 1575063;1480547132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite exactly. 1575064;1480547200;asciilifeform;of all the plagues discussed in this thread, i'd say fonts are the mildest, it is at this very minute quite trivial to operate a machine with 2-3 fonts installed , with ~0 surgery 1575065;1480547237;mircea_popescu;yes mildest but very fucking illustrative. at least to my eyes, perhaps due to personal history. 1575066;1480547244;mircea_popescu;but there was ONE FUCKING FRAKTUR. 1575067;1480547244;asciilifeform;i always assumed that it is a thing folks do when they come of age and build 'the' machine they will work their working years on, to sit down and burn away the shitfonts, among other 1575068;1480547305;asciilifeform;incidentally 'scalable font' technology was imho a failure: 1575069;1480547321;asciilifeform;not a single time that i bought a new panel with 2-3x the density of the old one, did i NOT have to change my emacs font 1575070;1480547336;asciilifeform;and each time it was an unpleasant and quite pointless ritual. 1575071;1480547338;mircea_popescu;heh 1575072;1480547391;asciilifeform;and when i first saw screenshits of lispm, i was astonished at how readable the text was, on a box with ONE font in ONE size 1575073;1480547419;asciilifeform;to the point that i got my hands on a rom and pulled that font, and still have it somewhere. unfortunately unusable on any display that i have... 1575074;1480547549;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the problem here isn't a discrete technological product, be it a font or a bridge ; nor the dysfunctional process that produced it, be it a broken cnc mill or lucent ; but altogether something more fundamental, where young man looking to "go west" decides the west is at the bottom of the lake and proceeds to dig. 1575075;1480547599;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel 1575076;1480547599;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1575077;1480547614;mircea_popescu;we are, intellectually speaking, in the bizarre situation of st. petersburg, a small town on the mississppi where for some bizarro enchantment reason all the boys decided the thing to do is dig up the river. and drowned there. 1575078;1480547614;asciilifeform;speaking of which. 1575079;1480547631;mircea_popescu;and the kids see the discarded shoes and floating hats and decide THEY SHOULD DIG TOO 1575080;1480547642;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574912 < correct. 1575081;1480547642;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:13 ben_vulpes: betcha that's exactly what gabriel_laddel did 1575082;1480547668;gabriel_laddel;I am presently trying to figure out why X11 fails to launch (segfault) on my (self hosting) livecd. 1575083;1480547690;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: on what iron 1575084;1480547696;mircea_popescu;that sounds like a lot of fun. 1575085;1480547699;gabriel_laddel;x220 thinkpad. 1575086;1480547712;asciilifeform;leaves any log before death / 1575087;1480547713;asciilifeform;? 1575088;1480547768;asciilifeform;and btw nobody ever seems to remember that one can ~debug~ segfault 1575089;1480547788;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: yeah, will post in a few minutes. I am pretty sure that it is because a dependency that does not show up in lddtree --list is required. 1575090;1480547812;gabriel_laddel;and right now I'm generating the most minimal possible livecd so I can see wtf is going on / speed of generation. 1575091;1480547831;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: what would I use... gdb? 1575092;1480547834;phf;asciilifeform: he probably got ulimit -c 0 anyway, which as apparently sop on all kind linux 1575093;1480547835;gabriel_laddel;(to debug) 1575094;1480547835;asciilifeform;aha 1575095;1480547845;phf;*all current 1575096;1480547896;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574917 < I suffer from the disease of seeing 10s of millions of loot as reward for getting this working. 1575097;1480547896;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:15 asciilifeform: d00d suffers from the traditional disease of the 19yo 'night h4ck3r' , crippling tunnel vision 1575098;1480547932;asciilifeform;if gabriel_laddel wants 10mil for a proggy that segfaults, he oughta move to washington 1575099;1480547956;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: you've not seen the endgame for masamune yet. 1575100;1480547958;asciilifeform;can get in on f35 etc 1575101;1480548014;gabriel_laddel;people have blown hundreds of millions trying to make a "gui builder" atop QT, the web, swing etc. 1575102;1480548028;gabriel_laddel;I can prototype something in 727 loc on clim that blows them all out of the water. 1575103;1480548055;gabriel_laddel;creating graphical applications 10-100x faster than the competition is immensely useful. 1575104;1480548062;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i'd loot a lot more than 10s of mns if i found a way to reliably get people to do the things that need done rather than the sexy things they want to do BEFORE they are old enough for their active life to be mostly behind them. 1575105;1480548068;mircea_popescu;sadly, we don't generally get what we want. 1575106;1480548153;jurov;gabriel_laddel: i heard same claims about tcl/tk. but none seven digit figures happened there i know of 1575107;1480548183;gabriel_laddel;jurov: if you don't understand how (common) lisp differs from tcl/tk you've missed the boat intellectually. 1575108;1480548196;mircea_popescu;sigh. 1575109;1480548226;trinque;"he didn't have my winning mentality!" 1575110;1480548228;asciilifeform;i find it interesting that nearly every d00d knows, or has met, or heard of, some naive sov emigre who was CERTAIN that he could make ZILLIONS!!! selling... poetry. or balloons. or, or. 1575111;1480548244;asciilifeform;but never applies the memory to himself when thinking 'i will make 10 mil selling proggy' 1575112;1480548282;trinque;it is at least advisable to study the way others fell before you. 1575113;1480548296;asciilifeform;it is why gold rushes are destructive, they turn supposedly smart folk into drooling imbeciles 1575114;1480548310;asciilifeform;sometimes, a generation later, even. 1575115;1480548380;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574914 < I have my time wasted by people like Josh-I who will do everything... but something useful. 1575116;1480548380;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:13 asciilifeform: i currently have nfi what, if anything, he did other than bum around. 1575117;1480548397;mircea_popescu;o.O 1575118;1480548403;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: have you ever considered going into salvage business ? 1575119;1480548409;asciilifeform;raising, e.g., sunken ww2 ships 1575120;1480548417;asciilifeform;repair, sell, PR0F1T!11111 1575121;1480548428;gabriel_laddel;I have not. 1575122;1480548429;asciilifeform;before you disagree, consider, it is easier than fixing clim. 1575123;1480548440;asciilifeform;the nazi subs are closer to working subs than clim+x11 is to lispm. 1575124;1480548445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he doesn;t pick by easy. 1575125;1480548449;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574916 < you need my patches else climacs will die on you constantly. 1575126;1480548449;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:15 trinque: is climacs usable to this degree? 1575127;1480548477;trinque;your shithub is from last year 1575128;1480548482;jurov;eh, leave gabriel be, at least he isn't working on doublebuffered Emacs FastSave(r)(tm) 1575129;1480548484;trinque;where is the current vpatch ? 1575130;1480548490;gabriel_laddel;trinque: no no no 1575131;1480548503;mircea_popescu;jurov amusingly, lua actually DID realise mns in savings for petrobras. the authors however failed to capture any of it. 1575132;1480548506;gabriel_laddel;trinque: the only way to distribute software is as a full self-hosting linux that can generate livecds of itself. 1575133;1480548512;asciilifeform;trinque: all else aside, i want to know where the d00d's PUBKEY is, and wtf he thinks he is doing without one. 1575134;1480548514;gabriel_laddel;my github is wayyy out of date. 1575135;1480548517;trinque;fucking wrong. 1575136;1480548530;mircea_popescu;trinque he's trying for appledom. 1575137;1480548531;trinque;the only way is signed vpatches 1575138;1480548540;trinque;so I know wtf it is! and by whom! 1575139;1480548556;asciilifeform;it does not bother gabriel_laddel to be a ghost ? with no flesh ? 1575140;1480548597;trinque;mircea_popescu: I can see it, but then I think I'm supposed to be the customer ? 1575141;1480548602;phf;petrobras? 1575142;1480548608;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574925 < if I could find *actual* stims I'd be done with this idiot adventure already. 1575143;1480548608;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:22 asciilifeform: i've wondered if he doesn't have a secret and dire problem with dope or similar. 1575144;1480548621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'appledom' , though some folx seem to forget, in the words of jobs himself even, 'we shall take unfair advantage of the fact that we make the software AND THE HARDWARE' 1575145;1480548625;asciilifeform;THE HARDWARE 1575146;1480548628;mircea_popescu;phf yes, lua was build in-house by the brazillians trying to you know, be independent state. 1575147;1480548636;phf;ooh 1575148;1480548638;mircea_popescu;it didn't work kinda amusingly. 1575149;1480548669;mircea_popescu;political history of lua / petro-brazil is a worthy pit to dig for the amateur cyber-historian of republican perspective. 1575150;1480548670;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: now i am very much curious, in what country, when, were 'actual stims' finally discovered ? 1575151;1480548674;asciilifeform;i'd liek some also. 1575152;1480548679;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I have been a little busy to generate a new key in an unsecure manner. It is on "the list" 1575153;1480548696;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I was referring to cocaine / meth. 1575154;1480548701;trinque;lol! 1575155;1480548727;asciilifeform;srsly, gabriel_laddel thinks 'hmm, i have problem, what is it, oh -- INSUFFICIENT METH' 1575156;1480548728;asciilifeform;?? 1575157;1480548739;mircea_popescu;hey, alf said it worked for erdos 1575158;1480548763;asciilifeform;i think erdos never ate 100g even in his 75 yr working life 1575159;1480548796;phf;well, as w burroughs demonstrated the problem is not dope, it's the lack of money to both buy dope and not have to shop to work the next day 1575160;1480548819;mircea_popescu;you think ? 1575161;1480548838;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: yes. When I am inbetween places to sleep for ~24 hours and need sleep it helps to be able to GET SOMETHING DONE. 1575162;1480548848;mircea_popescu;it'd help more to sleep. 1575163;1480548853;mircea_popescu;strictly, more. 1575164;1480548855;gabriel_laddel;right now I consume ~pot of coffee a day. 1575165;1480548864;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: ever hear of idea of 'sleep debt' 1575166;1480548900;asciilifeform;any stim worx by 'pressing gas pedal', this is later paid for. 1575167;1480548911;asciilifeform;or we would all be mainlining . 1575168;1480548914;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: yet. I end up going through these cycles where caffeine works to stave off sleep, then it doesn't, then I end up sleeping on a couch for 3 days, 12-14 hours a day. 1575169;1480548914;gabriel_laddel;*yes. 1575170;1480548950;asciilifeform;fwiw asciilifeform spent his student years like this. 1575171;1480548969;asciilifeform;and does not think that it is purely coincidental that he has nothing interesting to show from those days software-wise. 1575172;1480548971;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: tried cocaine yet? 1575173;1480548973;mircea_popescu;fwiw i never did this. 1575174;1480548975;gabriel_laddel;do you know what it does for you? 1575175;1480548987;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: nope. 1575176;1480548994;trinque;I know what the 10yr of that looks like, secondhand 1575177;1480549003;trinque;doesn't look like superhaxor... 1575178;1480549003;gabriel_laddel;then I maintain you have no idea what it can and cannot do for you in my situation. 1575179;1480549031;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel this applies to, eg, licking mains socket also ? or just some classes of things ? 1575180;1480549032;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel programs with cocaine ? 1575181;1480549053;asciilifeform;( freud wrote on cocaine, so it is probably possible ... ) 1575182;1480549054;phf;i wouldn't code on coke, or amphetamines for that matter, that hyperactivity narrows down your periphery thinking, which results in a lot of drawn out code 1575183;1480549057;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: no? 1575184;1480549078;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I've no source for it, else, yes, I would. 1575185;1480549106;trinque;all it's going to do is make some foolhardy thing seem like A WICKED SWEET IDEA BRAH 1575186;1480549114;trinque;because chemically induced enthusiasm 1575187;1480549119;phf;programmer's stone made a point long time ago that you need to be really fucking relaxed to write quality code 1575188;1480549128;asciilifeform;dopes that make the eater happier to do repetitive / dumb task, are death to programmer. 1575189;1480549135;asciilifeform;unless he is exceptionally disciplined . 1575190;1480549145;asciilifeform;does gabriel_laddel consider himself exceptionally disciplined..? 1575191;1480549145;mircea_popescu;or working for alcatel-lucent 1575192;1480549234;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: let's put it this way -- I used cocaine, meth etc etc from 16-20 constantly, then not at all for 4+ years. Idk if that is disciplined or what, but I don't appear to have a problem with it, know what it does to me and think it would improve my current situation. 1575193;1480549271;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: if your current situation is 'just centimetre short of cracking $hardproblem' -- i can picture, it could 1575194;1480549282;trinque;that adds some color to the situation 1575195;1480549287;gabriel_laddel;^ this. 1575196;1480549291;asciilifeform;think -- afterburner on mig. 1575197;1480549299;gabriel_laddel;it isn't even a hard problem, just tedious. 1575198;1480549300;asciilifeform;but afterburner has to be paid for. 1575199;1480549302;trinque;the conceit is that you're always a centimeter away 1575200;1480549304;trinque;perpetually 1575201;1480549307;trinque;that is what addiction is. 1575202;1480549307;gabriel_laddel;gotta get this fuking livecd to work, and then smooth sailing 1575203;1480549313;mircea_popescu;nobody is ever a centimetre short of cracking anything. 1575204;1480549330;mircea_popescu;this is like being "centimetre short of gravitational capture". ain't how things work. 1575205;1480549334;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: if you think shitlinux can be turned into 'smooth sailing', you have unplesant surprise coming. 1575206;1480549355;mircea_popescu;trinque aha. entirely "ignis fatuus of the mind" 1575207;1480549362;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i must disagree, i was quite close to, e.g., 'v', for very long time before finally wrote it. 1575208;1480549373;asciilifeform;but this is rare. 1575209;1480549394;mircea_popescu;that centimetre is a length of log, nothing else. 1575210;1480549418;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel 1575211;1480549418;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1575212;1480549675;asciilifeform;i find it interesting that (iirc) gabriel_laddel was mega-aficionado of my www, but will not take any of my advice nao. 1575213;1480549698;mircea_popescu;well, every computer goes through two phases - first, programming, then execution. 1575214;1480549709;asciilifeform;first ecstacy, then laundry. 1575215;1480549713;asciilifeform;(uncle al schwartz) 1575216;1480549834;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575131 << guess for whom else: for nsa. they rolled in (yes) lua interpreter into whole series of trojans 1575217;1480549834;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 23:28 mircea_popescu: jurov amusingly, lua actually DID realise mns in savings for petrobras. the authors however failed to capture any of it. 1575218;1480549848;asciilifeform;and i dun think they paid the authors either 1575219;1480549869;asciilifeform;i had glass of milk not long ago, and did not pay a cow iirc. 1575220;1480549893;shinohai;It's back! https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5fswjx/bitcoin_classic_is_back/ xD 1575221;1480549897;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574934 < lol. And how long have you spent working on this? 1575222;1480549897;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:46 phf: i've been low-key reviving cmucl's hemlock, can't use portable hemlock nor climacs for that matter, because neither have terminal versions. needless to say the process is slow and painful. like right now i'm trying to figure out why scrolling the buffer is slow slow you can see each individual line redrawing. also arrow keys don't work 1575223;1480549910;gabriel_laddel;And how much is a plane ticket to SFO and back? 1575224;1480549921;mircea_popescu;1k ? 1575225;1480549934;phf;hmm, around 400 1575226;1480549935;gabriel_laddel;nah like 300 1575227;1480549967;gabriel_laddel;fly out to SFO, bring a computer and we'll install masamune. 1575228;1480549989;trinque;the mind will create elaborate narratives to justify addiction. never affected me directly, but I've seen it. 1575229;1480549996;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol they redid their website. mmmkay. 1575230;1480550010;trinque;not even, but especially "save the computing industry" quests 1575231;1480550012;gabriel_laddel;phf: your time is worth how much per hour again? 1575232;1480550024;trinque;ben_vulpes can confirm that I saw that one directly, with a former boss / drunk. 1575233;1480550074;asciilifeform;where was BingoBoingo's bot thing now that it is so needed 1575234;1480550083;shinohai;With a spiffy new website, it shows "development" being done AND NOT LOST CAUSE! 1575235;1480550091;gabriel_laddel;contrast the previous two lines with: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1574930 1575236;1480550091;a111;Logged on 2016-11-30 21:25 trinque: at any rate, if I were to invest time in climacs, that is time stolen from learning osdev to put a lisp interpreter on iron, which is time stolen from learning to fab silicon in a garage, which is time stolen from ... 1575237;1480550091;trinque;!~step1 1575238;1480550092;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 1575239;1480550108;asciilifeform;theeere 1575240;1480550117;BingoBoingo;!~step9 1575241;1480550117;jhvh1;9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. 1575242;1480550127;mircea_popescu;shinohai the response of the redditards is so amusing. "there's TWO DIFFERENT DOOMED FORKS NOW!!! for you to choose from! because fragmentation is so totally the winning strategy!" 1575243;1480550137;mircea_popescu;somehow the progre mind just can't get out of itself. 1575244;1480550148;mircea_popescu;again and again and again the same stupidity it will do, because hey. all it got. 1575245;1480550188;shinohai;This must have came out of Roger Ver's "Consensus Meeting" today 1575246;1480550236;mircea_popescu;next i suppose they'll be "teaching the controversy" of whether shit or turd is the correct choice, and we'll continue ignoring them and they'll continue to pretend that we don't matter and their 5% is inexplicable at the same time. without any problem whatsoever in their absent minds, putin doesn't understand how the world works and influences the elections, sure, why not. 1575247;1480550261;asciilifeform;i'd genuinely like to know how it came to be that 'get cocaine' came to rank above 'get pubkey' , 'get postbox' , 'get a flat' in gabriel_laddel's head 1575248;1480550265;*;mircea_popescu has been having fun asking libtards "so why didn't YOU influence the elections then ?" 1575249;1480550275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cocaine is sweeter. 1575250;1480550277;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I've spent no time on trying to source it. 1575251;1480550284;gabriel_laddel;it isn't ranked above any of those. 1575252;1480550290;asciilifeform;dunno, warm and dry bed is pretty sweet if you ask me 1575253;1480550291;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel so you got an eta ? 1575254;1480550301;phf;gabriel_laddel: well this is my avocation, so hacking on hemlock and installing masamune in sfo is cost equivalent. i'd make a trip just as a mini vacation, i'll see when's the closest i can swing it 1575255;1480550343;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/11/reddit-ceo-huffman-takes-it-pao-right-in-the-kisser/ << Qntra - Reddit CEO Huffman Takes It Pao, Right In The Kisser 1575256;1480550344;trinque;"hey man can I like, take a shower in your hotel room?" 1575257;1480550358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in libertard cosmography, 'influence' is not a thing that one wields because smarter, stronger, or having more accurate model of reality, but because blessed by satan 1575258;1480550366;phf;trinque: i go to burning man, the kind of people i accommodate.... 1575259;1480550369;gabriel_laddel;trinque: eh, if you're not willing to ask / do that to realize sane computing -- you don't want it at all. 1575260;1480550388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it must be huh. 1575261;1480550396;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Unfortunately no. I cannot predict how long it will take me to deal with idiot unix nonsense.