1532649;1472688180;mod6; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
1532650;1472688467;trinque;cheers mod6
1532651;1472689419;mod6;o7
1532652;1472689467;shinohai;o7 mod6 thanks! nice address this month as always!
1532653;1472690368;mod6;thanks for all the help, much appreciated. :]
1532654;1472690856;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/qntra-s-qntr-august-2016-report/ << Qntra - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2016 Report
1532655;1472692097;mircea_popescu;oh and in early xmas greetings, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwdv1mSk791qf8vgko1_1280.jpg
1532656;1472692904;BingoBoingo;Blasphemy. Everyone knows Ded Moroz is African!
1532657;1472693074;mircea_popescu;oh right
1532658;1472694231;BingoBoingo;https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1261229
1532659;1472695098;mircea_popescu;and in other white pride worldwide news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvr0puOihe1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
1532660;1472698031;trinque;winner for least flattering ass grab of all time
1532661;1472698083;mircea_popescu;you only say that because you're butthurt :D
1532662;1472698099;trinque;pow, right in the supremacy!
1532663;1472698105;mircea_popescu;"that butt has hurt me retinas sir"
1532664;1472698114;trinque;lol
1532665;1472698124;mircea_popescu;dat*
1532666;1472699101;mircea_popescu;and in other excessive opulence news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loa4f0dV5g1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
1532667;1472699132;mircea_popescu;because nothing quite says prestigious luxury like a full option package where the leotard anti-matches the car paint.
1532668;1472700519;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/ma4yR
1532669;1472700809;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what
1532670;1472700816;mircea_popescu;who does this
1532671;1472701211;BingoBoingo;M'urican Fuck Yeah?
1532672;1472701235;BingoBoingo;OSHA IS going to have a shitfit over that shitfit.
1532673;1472701419;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-august-2016-statement/ << Trilema - MiniGame (S.MG), August 2016 Statement
1532674;1472701753;BingoBoingo;$up boolcrap
1532675;1472701753;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1532676;1472701800;BingoBoingo;$t m s.mg
1532677;1472701841;asciilifeform;eh boolcrap .
1532678;1472701843;boolcrap;yo
1532679;1472701845;boolcrap;sup ladies
1532680;1472701847;asciilifeform;where's yer key
1532681;1472701849;mircea_popescu;where have all teh tickers gone...
1532682;1472701875;mircea_popescu;oh and in other "female ejaculation is real" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8nwexGWWo1qc61zuo1_500.gif
1532683;1472701875;asciilifeform;didja keep it in that watermelon boolcrap .
1532684;1472701881;boolcrap;it has been lost, along with the mans pride in america
1532685;1472701894;boolcrap;that explains why its gone, its in the groundhogs belly
1532686;1472701938;asciilifeform;boolcrap: make another, will ya
1532687;1472701959;boolcrap;i really have it i even plugged in the disk it was on
1532688;1472701962;boolcrap;hot plugged amazingly
1532689;1472702018;boolcrap;how is your slave job stas
1532690;1472702046;asciilifeform;boolcrap: i was windbg-ing and thought of you.
1532691;1472702060;boolcrap;oh
1532692;1472702061;boolcrap;wow
1532693;1472702070;boolcrap;i bet you never thought you would see the day
1532694;1472702077;asciilifeform;lel
1532695;1472702080;boolcrap;i figured you would be idaing for life
1532696;1472702108;asciilifeform;also i had a dream where i visited ye olde rupturefarm and all you lot were long gone and there were mexicans instead...
1532697;1472702114;boolcrap;lol
1532698;1472702116;boolcrap;haha
1532699;1472702130;boolcrap;that was a premonition.
1532700;1472702132;boolcrap;not a dream
1532701;1472702140;asciilifeform;also there was nazi party headquarter on 3rd floor.
1532702;1472702144;boolcrap;lol
1532703;1472702151;boolcrap;all working for mr I?
1532704;1472702153;asciilifeform;looked a bit like level1 of 'wolfenstein'.
1532705;1472702163;asciilifeform;nah he was mexican also.
1532706;1472702166;boolcrap;dam
1532707;1472702179;boolcrap;i often wondered if my grandfather would have liked to play wolfenstien
1532708;1472702213;boolcrap;the nazis were mexican?
1532709;1472702221;asciilifeform;i once met a fella who played 'call of duty: iraq' in actual iraq.
1532710;1472702221;boolcrap;they were dressed in hitler gear?
1532711;1472702238;boolcrap;yeah ive heard stories like that as well ;o. I'll never understand
1532712;1472702242;boolcrap;maybe he just really likes war,
1532713;1472702244;boolcrap;who am i to judge.
1532714;1472702268;asciilifeform;he was bored.
1532715;1472702301;boolcrap;not enough ppl to shoot?
1532716;1472702347;asciilifeform;technically none at all, in 'green zone'
1532717;1472702373;trinque;from what I've been told, Iraq was "patrol here and wait to be carbombed" for many
1532718;1472702380;asciilifeform;aha
1532719;1472702399;asciilifeform;though also 'drive there and wait to be road mined'
1532720;1472702435;boolcrap;guys, do you like funny things?
1532721;1472702436;boolcrap;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sc30LUGuHc
1532722;1472702537;trinque;all these damn kids that can't handle their drugs these days
1532723;1472702550;boolcrap;haha
1532724;1472702566;boolcrap;maybe the dentist gave her too much
1532725;1472702581;boolcrap;her parents must be proud, now they know how shes spending their hard earned money
1532726;1472702655;boolcrap;stan why aren't you rich yet
1532727;1472702669;trinque;prolly saw all that educational material on the superior black seed or w/e
1532728;1472702675;trinque;the chick I mean!
1532729;1472702679;boolcrap;lol
1532730;1472702681;boolcrap;black power.
1532731;1472702697;boolcrap;that is what you learn in college now
1532732;1472702713;trinque;cuckotronics 101
1532733;1472702715;mircea_popescu;pshhh.
1532734;1472702725;mircea_popescu;the idea college kids do it is so fucking 1980s
1532735;1472702755;boolcrap;you mean its not like one giant frat party gang bang?
1532736;1472702767;boolcrap;girls gone wild is a lie?
1532737;1472702774;mircea_popescu;no, it's a production.
1532738;1472702809;mircea_popescu;the one giant frat party gangbang was pre and immediately after cellphones.
1532739;1472702841;boolcrap;well as long as i didnt miss out on it by not going to college
1532740;1472702865;mircea_popescu;you know how it goes, if you're the kind to miss out on it you'd have missed out on it if you went to college just as well.
1532741;1472702867;mircea_popescu;if not, not.
1532742;1472702894;boolcrap;i think if i went to college now i would still miss out on it.
1532743;1472702907;boolcrap;how do you get all the chicks, you just drive around in your beamer?
1532744;1472702924;mircea_popescu;i dont drive
1532745;1472702939;boolcrap;uber?
1532746;1472702953;mircea_popescu;nah. i actually never tried uber so far.
1532747;1472702960;boolcrap;do you have winter where you are?
1532748;1472702973;boolcrap;whats the extreme low for the year?
1532749;1472702974;mircea_popescu;sort-of. they think so, but meh. i've not yet seen frost.
1532750;1472702980;mircea_popescu;maybe 9 or so
1532751;1472702988;boolcrap;dam so
1532752;1472702991;boolcrap;like all year
1532753;1472702993;boolcrap;is strawberry season?
1532754;1472702997;mircea_popescu;just about.
1532755;1472703004;boolcrap;that is nice.
1532756;1472703004;mircea_popescu;they sure have them on sale pretty much year round
1532757;1472703008;asciilifeform;boolcrap: you can go from one end of mircea_popesculandia to another by cab for a few bux.
1532758;1472703027;boolcrap;but then you can also commit suicide by stabbing yourself in the back
1532759;1472703048;mircea_popescu;anyway, most often is "hey, come over, i want you to meet X".
1532760;1472703089;mircea_popescu;wait, shit, this is actually on trilema already innit.
1532761;1472703091;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/
1532762;1472703096;boolcrap;lol
1532763;1472703098;boolcrap;stan told me his favorite pickup line
1532764;1472703102;boolcrap;"heres my dick, where do we go from here"
1532765;1472703112;mircea_popescu;wait, stan picks up male coworkers ?
1532766;1472703123;boolcrap;not that i know of
1532767;1472703130;mircea_popescu;so then why'd he tell it to you ?
1532768;1472703139;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does this pass for trolling in your country ?
1532769;1472703142;boolcrap;hahaha
1532770;1472703147;boolcrap;yes
1532771;1472703175;boolcrap;what other fruit do you have down there
1532772;1472703180;boolcrap;that i have not eaten
1532773;1472703191;boolcrap;anything exotic ?
1532774;1472703202;asciilifeform;boolcrap must also have weird dreams.
1532775;1472703210;boolcrap;i really do.
1532776;1472703215;mircea_popescu;wtf is "exotic"
1532777;1472703219;boolcrap;i dont know like
1532778;1472703225;boolcrap;stuff they dont have in america
1532779;1472703232;mircea_popescu;this is america.
1532780;1472703248;boolcrap;i thought it was a 3rd world banana republic
1532781;1472703252;boolcrap;oh wait
1532782;1472703253;boolcrap;ok its america.
1532783;1472703271;asciilifeform;'kokakola! sometimes - war!!111' (tm) (r) (rammstein)
1532784;1472703297;mircea_popescu;anyway, they have the same fruits they have everywhere. papaya and apples and whatever the hell. cherries at two bucks a pound.
1532785;1472703315;boolcrap;2 bux a lb is really good
1532786;1472703329;boolcrap;if i were to buy from "farmers market"
1532787;1472703336;boolcrap;would be 5
1532788;1472703347;boolcrap;we dont really get papaya here at all
1532789;1472703370;mircea_popescu;chicks make some epic cherry pie. one inch of cherry matter in a thin pastry wrapping.
1532790;1472703404;boolcrap;whipped cream?
1532791;1472703410;mircea_popescu;nah.
1532792;1472703417;mircea_popescu;neat.
1532793;1472703427;*;mircea_popescu is kinda ruined for non-homemade pies now.
1532794;1472703435;trinque;ever have some mascarpone along the bottom of the crust in a cherry pie?
1532795;1472703438;*;asciilifeform also.
1532796;1472703441;*;boolcrap also
1532797;1472703442;trinque;goddamned excellent.
1532798;1472703445;boolcrap;america is fucking shit for food
1532799;1472703452;boolcrap;theres not a god dam place i can eat out
1532800;1472703452;trinque;so cook
1532801;1472703455;boolcrap;well there is one italian place
1532802;1472703459;boolcrap;we do, we cook every night
1532803;1472703467;boolcrap;but its nice to go out to eat every now and then
1532804;1472703468;boolcrap;give the wife a break
1532805;1472703528;trinque;eh, chick I'm seeing is thrilled when she makes something good
1532806;1472703540;boolcrap;rofl
1532807;1472703543;boolcrap;where do u live?
1532808;1472703548;mircea_popescu;how often does she make bad shit ?
1532809;1472703554;trinque;not very
1532810;1472703568;boolcrap;if she makes something bad
1532811;1472703568;trinque;runs as bad as could be better, but I like it
1532812;1472703572;boolcrap;just throw it out and make her start over
1532813;1472703573;trinque;boolcrap: houston
1532814;1472703584;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other homemade family fun, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshq0zV0dZ1qlwtdwo1_1280.jpg
1532815;1472703595;trinque;$up boolcrap
1532816;1472703595;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1532817;1472703601;mircea_popescu;o you got back to texas ?
1532818;1472703601;trinque;she'd throw it out before I said anything
1532819;1472703604;trinque;I did
1532820;1472703622;mircea_popescu;cool. does it disappoint ?
1532821;1472703642;trinque;nah, 'tis home
1532822;1472703650;mircea_popescu;even better then.
1532823;1472703655;boolcrap;yeah its hard to get a good wife
1532824;1472703656;boolcrap;in america
1532825;1472703663;boolcrap;maybe its all the opression thats going on
1532826;1472703666;mircea_popescu;unlike where ?
1532827;1472703671;boolcrap;other countries
1532828;1472703673;boolcrap;like romania
1532829;1472703683;trinque;"it's hard to get a good job / live well / know how to dress"
1532830;1472703686;mircea_popescu;"o hey, i heard in merv they issue you a pair from the dmv"
1532831;1472703690;boolcrap;lol
1532832;1472703695;boolcrap;wtf is merv
1532833;1472703701;mircea_popescu;merv is a city that was.
1532834;1472703715;boolcrap;dude america is a the head of the fucking feminist nazi movement
1532835;1472703719;boolcrap;cooking is frowned upon
1532836;1472703722;trinque;chick still wants to please
1532837;1472703723;boolcrap;WHAT YOUR COOKING FOR HIM?
1532838;1472703728;mircea_popescu;how much time do you folk spend reading shit online ?
1532839;1472703740;boolcrap;i read the chat long when i want to feel like an idoit
1532840;1472703758;boolcrap;i dont read alot
1532841;1472703760;boolcrap;stan reads the most
1532842;1472703771;trinque;stay, feel like an idiot more often, learn.
1532843;1472703773;mircea_popescu;so how dja know about lal this feminist nazi thangs ?
1532844;1472703793;boolcrap;well im living in it
1532845;1472703804;boolcrap;i had to pull my wife away from it
1532846;1472703831;trinque;plenty of chicks in tx still that fuckin glow when they made something you like to eat
1532847;1472703836;trinque;i.e. not broken
1532848;1472703845;boolcrap;texas is a conservative state
1532849;1472703850;mircea_popescu;i confess in my (perhaps maginal) experience, the whole "feminist" charade is mostly a (very transparent) defense for shy teen/early 20s chicks. more pretense than anything, and very strongly correlated with "i'm not sure what to do once clothes come off"
1532850;1472703850;boolcrap;cruz is the governor :)
1532851;1472703861;trinque;senator
1532852;1472703865;boolcrap;oh
1532853;1472703866;boolcrap;my bad
1532854;1472703912;boolcrap;nah its this whole crazy idea that men are not superior to women
1532855;1472703926;mircea_popescu;at what, lactation ?
1532856;1472703932;boolcrap;yep
1532857;1472703933;boolcrap;care taking
1532858;1472703956;boolcrap;women are the best care takers around
1532859;1472703965;boolcrap;so stop going back to work 2 weeks after ur baby is born
1532860;1472703966;mircea_popescu;if i actually had to milk dudes i'd prolly give up cappuccino
1532861;1472703977;boolcrap;i dont think thats milk
1532862;1472703977;trinque;>b 1
1532863;1472703983;trinque;shinohai: how dare you
1532864;1472703988;trinque;:D
1532865;1472703994;boolcrap;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUtSazFb5qM << relavent
1532866;1472704132;trinque;boolcrap: chick that gripes at you with controlling "feminism" is instinctively demanding you nut up. it's her child-raising instincts trying to shove you along to adulthood.
1532867;1472704151;trinque;and she resents you for evoking that
1532868;1472704161;trinque;mircea_popescu has treated this subject amply
1532869;1472704186;boolcrap;maybe you are right
1532870;1472704205;boolcrap;maybe feminism is running rampant because there are no more men in america
1532871;1472704226;mircea_popescu;the talking points memo!
1532872;1472704244;boolcrap;im here to regurgitate the republican talking points
1532873;1472704247;boolcrap;didn't you get the memo
1532874;1472704263;mircea_popescu;can we call you boosh-v ?
1532875;1472704275;boolcrap;i dont get the reference
1532876;1472704408;*;mircea_popescu has now accidentally checked out josh marshall's blog, is amused at all the butthurt.
1532877;1472704484;trinque;guy seems to love trump
1532878;1472704490;trinque;he can't stop talking about him
1532879;1472704512;mircea_popescu;liberals, you know. mouth says one thing, ass says another.
1532880;1472704522;trinque;ahaha
1532881;1472704553;*;mircea_popescu fondly remembers all teh brexit "polls" being wrong by just about 50%
1532882;1472704733;boolcrap;whoa
1532883;1472704745;boolcrap;this is the first time ive ever seen anyone be called a liberal blogger
1532884;1472704752;boolcrap;on wiki.
1532885;1472704784;mircea_popescu;"notable because no reason"
1532886;1472704791;boolcrap;lol
1532887;1472704801;boolcrap;everyones always "conservative" something
1532888;1472704890;mircea_popescu;and in other "gag reflex is optional" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrbtd0Dqxw1r2n6sjo1_500.gif
1532889;1472704919;boolcrap;so i guess if you are born without gag reflex
1532890;1472704923;boolcrap;you always have career options
1532891;1472704932;boolcrap;can your gag reflex be removed?
1532892;1472705674;mircea_popescu;apparently.
1532893;1472725546;BingoBoingo;$up freebtcwebsite
1532894;1472725547;deedbot;freebtcwebsite voiced for 30 minutes.
1532895;1472725552;BingoBoingo;hallo freebtcwebsite
1532896;1472727068;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5126
1532897;1472733094;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532863   <<< too much bickering over what trigger characters to use, so don't blame me. I just tried to make nice things.
1532898;1472733094;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 04:26 trinque: shinohai: how dare you
1532899;1472733105;shinohai;mircea_popescu: tx id added to post, thx
1532900;1472733128;diana_coman;mod6 or anyone else who already did this: I'm installing gentoo on a box with the view to run a node on it; any specific/recommended sw requirements/setup? box is i5 2.6GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB hdd
1532901;1472733173;shinohai;Should be able to do new offline build with minimal unix toolz
1532902;1472733233;diana_coman;kk, will see how it goes then
1532903;1472735091;thestringpuller;shinohai: u get my message about pitchers?
1532904;1472735119;shinohai;o hai thestringpuller
1532905;1472735129;shinohai;Didn't get that until late yesterday sorry :/
1532906;1472735138;shinohai;You like the pizza there?
1532907;1472735215;thestringpuller;It's aite, but on Tues Thurs it's 10 dollar pitchers
1532908;1472735259;thestringpuller;Basically I go straight there after work, and drink with buddies until traffic dies down then it's like a chill 25 minute drive home instead of 40 minute to 1 hour drive.
1532909;1472735259;shinohai;O.o
1532910;1472735277;thestringpuller;and like 10 Dollars of good stuff, like Sweetwater.
1532911;1472735398;*;shinohai nearly always drinks at home.
1532912;1472735418;shinohai;I do have a beer or 2 out sometimes though.
1532913;1472735582;thestringpuller;:D
1532914;1472735585;thestringpuller;it's labor day
1532915;1472735592;thestringpuller;and D*C weekend
1532916;1472735626;shinohai;Oh shit I forgot about that
1532917;1472736315;thestringpuller;Have fun fun!
1532918;1472738912;shinohai;$up sellbtctraderz
1532919;1472738913;deedbot;sellbtctraderz voiced for 30 minutes.
1532920;1472738931;shinohai;sellbtctraderz: you the guy from bitcoinztalk ?
1532921;1472738945;sellbtctraderz;I am another guy from BCT
1532922;1472738967;shinohai;ah ok. You have your GPG key registered yet?
1532923;1472739008;sellbtctraderz;I am pretty new to this, I have a finger print but can't import it, Do I need any specific user id or password?
1532924;1472739052;shinohai;sent you a PM sellbtctraderz
1532925;1472739238;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532897 << I was just kidding about teh epicness of the bash
1532926;1472739238;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 12:31 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532863   <<< too much bickering over what trigger characters to use, so don't blame me. I just tried to make nice things.
1532927;1472739256;shinohai;lol
1532928;1472739286;mircea_popescu;so i watched a southpark episode last night, it was one about how all the canadians moved to the us because they had elected a trump and canada was turned into a total detroit by his idiocy BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, and it made me think of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:98/to:98#98
1532929;1472739329;mircea_popescu;yea, it's totally because not paying attention to ~trump~ that place's going to shit. not because not paying attention to the soul eating, all consuming bureaucracy. that's a-ok, will make the country not-great again because it doesn't need to, because to them it's always been great.
1532930;1472739412;mircea_popescu;!up hotgirlchandai
1532931;1472739412;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1532932;1472739426;shinohai;$up hotgirlchandai
1532933;1472739427;deedbot;hotgirlchandai voiced for 30 minutes.
1532934;1472739439;hotgirlchandai;alo
1532935;1472739459;shinohai;hello hotgirlchandai
1532936;1472739470;shinohai;What brings you here?
1532937;1472739472;hotgirlchandai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1592575.0 ?
1532938;1472739473;mircea_popescu;shinohai it's not "bickering". toldja 2x to use !~, an hour apart. next day you had changed it to > or some stupid shit and people were complaining, so it got devoiced. next time do critical fixes - such as the control sequence of a chatbot - in real time or remove it yourself.
1532939;1472739492;hotgirlchandai;:D
1532940;1472739526;shinohai;Sorry that bot surgery was low on list of priorities at the time.
1532941;1472739551;mircea_popescu;so then say "sorry, i couldn't maintain my bot to spec" not "bickering. truth helps.
1532942;1472739557;shinohai;ok hotgirlchandai do you have a gpg key ?
1532943;1472739597;hotgirlchandai;no gpg key :(
1532944;1472739600;shinohai;Well technically there *was* bickering. Some ppl were happy with original, some didn't like >,
1532945;1472739607;shinohai;other wanted !~
1532946;1472739617;shinohai;windows user hotgirlchandai  ?
1532947;1472739625;mircea_popescu;people doesn't enter in this conversation, it's not a fucking vote.
1532948;1472739641;mircea_popescu;i guess all this can get pretty confusing.
1532949;1472739665;*;mircea_popescu will write an article.
1532950;1472739688;hotgirlchandai;Not understand anything: D
1532951;1472739699;shinohai;Your language/region?
1532952;1472739733;shinohai;We aren't vagabonds here, some of us speak languages besides queen's English
1532953;1472739779;shinohai;{ "ip": "113.163.33.89", "hostname": "No Hostname", "city": "Thanh Hóa", "region": "Tinh Thanh Hoa", "country": "VN", "loc": "19.8000,105.7667", "org": "AS45899 VNPT Corp" }
1532954;1472739790;shinohai;However, vietmanese isn't my specialty
1532955;1472739795;mircea_popescu;oh you speak thai ?
1532956;1472739798;mircea_popescu;oh not even thai hehe.
1532957;1472740492;asciilifeform;;;later tell diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532900 << yes, there is a magical recipe, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << thread.
1532958;1472740492;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 12:32 diana_coman: mod6 or anyone else who already did this: I'm installing gentoo on a box with the view to run a node on it; any specific/recommended sw requirements/setup? box is i5 2.6GHz, 8GB RAM, 1TB hdd
1532959;1472740492;a111;Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet
1532960;1472740493;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1532961;1472740514;mircea_popescu;in other news, i downloaded "modern" browser. the shit proceeds to download "an update" by itself when left alone for five minutes. then upon examination it turns out that it has no setting to fix this. nor for that matter any setting to disable javascript. nor anything else. it has : a star ; and a smiley face. that's all. "would you like french fries with that ?" level of interface design. i guess menus and whatnot were "to
1532962;1472740514;mircea_popescu;o confusing" and this is "better technology" because it "just works" etc. but holy hell, it so fills me with furious rage...
1532963;1472740517;mircea_popescu;$key sellbtctraderz
1532964;1472740524;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/813531e2-d2ac-41eb-a9e2-6a7db210ace4/
1532965;1472740536;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lemme guess, 'chrome' or some variant ?
1532966;1472740550;mircea_popescu;firefox ten millio nsomething
1532967;1472740558;asciilifeform;ick
1532968;1472740558;mircea_popescu;you should see the version numbers of these beople.
1532969;1472740567;mircea_popescu;yes, ick, but it nevertheless exists.
1532970;1472740634;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is there a write up of the pogo yet?
1532971;1472740655;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: not satisfied with the cookbooks on trb mailinglist ?
1532972;1472740671;asciilifeform;and here i thought i beat the subject to an agonizingly pedantic death...
1532973;1472740695;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: nah i'm sourcing it in my own docs. i'm doing a big write up of trb for n00bs.
1532974;1472740711;asciilifeform;i even described how to boot kernels off the net, for quick turnaround when working on a kernel-cum-bitcoind shitball
1532975;1472740719;asciilifeform;(off lan via tftp, that is)
1532976;1472740737;diana_coman;thank you asciilifeform !
1532977;1472740760;asciilifeform;diana_coman: iirc phf followed my recipe to a happy result. might want to ask him when he comes back from desert planet.
1532978;1472740804;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: ugh. every mention of burning man makes me extremely jealous.
1532979;1472740809;asciilifeform;why?
1532980;1472740829;thestringpuller;I love going to burns. It's a break from any real world problem you might have.
1532981;1472740829;mircea_popescu;with burning rage.
1532982;1472740837;mircea_popescu;plus there's blond girls there.
1532983;1472740841;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: so why aintcha there.
1532984;1472740917;thestringpuller;cuz i iz too deep in the uranium mines to take leave. maybe when my shift is up.
1532985;1472740988;shinohai;Come to Columbia with me thestringpuller, mebbe there is still a trilema girl down there you can hook up with
1532986;1472741013;mircea_popescu;o.O
1532987;1472741046;mircea_popescu;you're actually going ?
1532988;1472741056;shinohai;2 weeks
1532989;1472741061;shinohai;*in 2 wks
1532990;1472741218;thestringpuller;trilema girls in columbia?
1532991;1472741286;thestringpuller;how did mircea_popescu know i like blondes?
1532992;1472741337;mircea_popescu;shinohai you know there ~is~ a slight possibility you're walking into a trap, yes ?
1532993;1472741362;shinohai;I know, but I haz friend meeting me there from Venezuela
1532994;1472741363;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i took a shot.
1532995;1472741369;mircea_popescu;ah ok then.
1532996;1472741390;*;shinohai has been through centra America how much worse can Columbia be?
1532997;1472741445;mircea_popescu;that's not it ; colombia itself is fine. if you have sense to travel on own arrangements, not share with random ho you met online, establish your own base and meet her from a position of power / in public / whatever like sane people will be ok.
1532998;1472741511;mircea_popescu;if it's like "oh, random chick i met yesterday will meet me at airport and her... uhm... brothers... will drive me to their estancia in the interior" you're setting self up for lulz.
1532999;1472741514;shinohai;I needed some adventure
1533000;1472741521;shinohai;xD
1533001;1472744898;mircea_popescu;$up Yipdard
1533002;1472744899;deedbot;Yipdard voiced for 30 minutes.
1533003;1472744918;Yipdard;What is this?
1533004;1472744924;shinohai;a chat
1533005;1472744930;Yipdard;lol
1533006;1472744943;Yipdard;voice chat?
1533007;1472744944;Yipdard;wtf?
1533008;1472744980;mircea_popescu;no, this is irc.
1533009;1472744994;Yipdard;fine
1533010;1472745000;mircea_popescu;anyway, who are you and what are you looking for ?
1533011;1472745031;shinohai;I got him mircea_popescu
1533012;1472745036;mircea_popescu;kk
1533013;1472745039;shinohai;he will join #eulora shortly
1533014;1472745093;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: So the Eulora world will inevatibly allow different "modes of play" i.e. "Stealth game" or "Action game"? via >> http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-august-2016-statement/#selection-907.192-929.3
1533015;1472745099;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1533016;1472745122;thestringpuller;but how do you prevent "feature bloat" or is that non-issue?
1533017;1472745175;mircea_popescu;why would i have to prevent it ? there's specific space in the design spec for third-party developed maps. they run by whatever rules third party comes up with ; player doens't have to enter it. if he does enter it, client loads up more data.
1533018;1472745204;Yipdard;$register DF94F889FDFDB1F30545A985AD292D96188A3B0C
1533019;1472745216;deedbot;Import failed for DF94F889FDFDB1F30545A985AD292D96188A3B0C.
1533020;1472745231;mircea_popescu;Yipdard might need a few minutes to propagate.
1533021;1472745256;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller will work in practice a little bit like majesty, if you know that game : after a certain level, your castle gets a sewer. you can set some rules for it. eventually you get moar complex submaps etc.
1533022;1472745332;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: aha! So same context of one "modding"? Or third party as in, "Dude can have his complete own game running as long as it fits _this_ interface"
1533023;1472745340;Yipdard;what i will have to do?
1533024;1472745349;shinohai;same thing again
1533025;1472745364;shinohai;but wait abt 10 minutes or so
1533026;1472745375;Yipdard;i will receive 0.01btc?
1533027;1472745388;mircea_popescu;once you talk to me in game yes.
1533028;1472745468;Yipdard;take time to download this game?
1533029;1472745510;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Lol. I like how S.MG is already what Everpoop Software (or whatever spells of genesis guise are doing) wants to do.
1533030;1472745512;mircea_popescu;bout 500mb it was iirc.
1533031;1472745772;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller for instance, the intention is to have, say, "game board". players craft it, and if they want play. so you can make your own pinball machine, and play pinball in eulora.
1533032;1472746932;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> if it's like "oh, random chick i met yesterday will meet me at airport and her... uhm... brothers... will drive me to their estancia in the interior" you're setting self up for lulz. << lol
1533033;1472746983;shinohai;If lulz occur, I'll give BingoBoingo the scoop
1533034;1472746998;BingoBoingo;Why U No Scoop Self?
1533035;1472747029;mircea_popescu;he might be busy holding in the poop
1533036;1472747031;shinohai;Well if I get kidnapped by Columbian drug lords I can hardly access my gpg keyz
1533037;1472747036;mircea_popescu;with both hands
1533038;1472747076;mircea_popescu;shinohai columbian drug lords have much better things to do than play bitch for random gringo tourist.
1533039;1472747090;shinohai;kek
1533040;1472747101;mircea_popescu;random street urchin with gang lord delusions however, may perceive you're in not as good position to check their priviledge as the ganglords are.
1533041;1472747158;shinohai;Hence my scary Venezuelan friend as backup.
1533042;1472747225;mircea_popescu;from what i hear (from chicks that ran away) venezuela is truly in the shit nowadays.
1533043;1472747234;mircea_popescu;wanna be a pirate, go there.
1533044;1472747255;shinohai;Yeah it is a shithole from all reports
1533045;1472747307;shinohai;That crapcoin xchange Cryptopia is full of Venezuelans trying to make bitdust
1533046;1472747384;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Don't forget to carry your Kleins, hammer, and other tools of privilege inspection on your belt. Always dress for trabajo
1533047;1472747399;BingoBoingo;Or more like Traba-ho
1533048;1472747425;shinohai;I thought if I wore jeans and a flannel shirt with hammer in belt I might fit right in.
1533049;1472747431;mircea_popescu;lol
1533050;1472747493;BingoBoingo;Really you should wear that everywhere, but seriously gotta have the Kleins to show you are srs about bsns.
1533051;1472747526;BingoBoingo;Knipex makes an acceptable substitute. Channel locks are right out.
1533052;1472747573;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/j9dtw << meanwhile, in the belching smokestacks of lulzschwitz...
1533053;1472747618;shinohai;I gotta get me one of those orange and white Handy Manny baseball caps too
1533054;1472747700;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Just get a Baltimore Oriels cap
1533055;1472747714;shinohai;check.
1533056;1472747716;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5126
1533057;1472749126;asciilifeform;somebody milking phf's box again ?
1533058;1472749511;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1533059;1472749513;gribble;Current Blocks: 427831 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 1576 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1533060;1472752807;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://archive.is/9rOIL << for your psychiatric collection
1533061;1472752807;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1533062;1472752820;shinohai;$up VAodminnTer
1533063;1472752821;deedbot;VAodminnTer voiced for 30 minutes.
1533064;1472753488;asciilifeform;aaaaaand how long has http://www.mpex.ws been a spam farm ?
1533065;1472753514;asciilifeform;with wonderful 'articles' such as 'Key Points To Consider When A Buying Car In Kansas City', or 'Choosing The Right Dirt Bike For Your Child'.
1533066;1472753580;shinohai;Been like that for a loooooooooooooooong time
1533067;1472754160;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://archive.is/KDm7b << or anyone else interested in 'arkencides'.
1533068;1472754160;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1533069;1472754334;mircea_popescu;$up Yipdard
1533070;1472754334;deedbot;Yipdard voiced for 30 minutes.
1533071;1472754366;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my collection doth grow
1533072;1472754384;shinohai;Imma have to bill minigame.bz for the noob tech support soon.
1533073;1472754399;shinohai;Thats like 6 today
1533074;1472754401;mircea_popescu;lol srsly.
1533075;1472754411;mircea_popescu;make an account already, i'll give you a pile o' picks.
1533076;1472754437;shinohai;I have account just no way to actually do anything useful in game
1533077;1472754443;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1533078;1472754456;Yipdard;3d game?
1533079;1472754465;shinohai;Shitty laptop grafix
1533080;1472754481;shinohai;yup Yipdard
1533081;1472754483;mircea_popescu;ah. toning it down from config dun help ?
1533082;1472754512;Yipdard;can someone explain me goal of the game?
1533083;1472754520;shinohai;Not to die
1533084;1472754523;shinohai;lol
1533085;1472754527;Yipdard;i can become an advertiser for you
1533086;1472754528;*;mircea_popescu made the mistake of encouraging girl to sushi. girl is now insanely good, to the degree all the previous great sushi places in town are meh, and i just want to have sushi at home.
1533087;1472754529;Yipdard;ah lol
1533088;1472754538;mircea_popescu;Yipdard well basically, to make money.
1533089;1472754545;mircea_popescu;or to figure out how it works. either way.
1533090;1472754553;*;shinohai mircea_popescu also encouraged me to qntra but I got no better :/
1533091;1472754562;Yipdard;that's why we are all here, you know
1533092;1472754564;mircea_popescu;bolt tits on
1533093;1472754624;mircea_popescu;Yipdard the largest pop to date, 82.x mn ECu, aka 0.82 btc, came from a click that cost the owner maybe 10k satoshi or somesuch.
1533094;1472754638;Yipdard;wtf
1533095;1472754658;shinohai;$up VAodminnTer
1533096;1472754658;deedbot;VAodminnTer voiced for 30 minutes.
1533097;1472754663;shinohai;now try VAodminnTer
1533098;1472754663;VAodminnTer;== Cannot send to channel $register 08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0
1533099;1472754667;mircea_popescu;my best is only like 50mn, but anyway. game has no upper limit, in principle you could loot 100 btc worth.
1533100;1472754673;VAodminnTer;$register 08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0
1533101;1472754711;Yipdard;i can become an advertiser for your game, mircea_popescu
1533102;1472754714;deedbot;Import failed for 08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0.
1533103;1472754724;mircea_popescu;alright ? how'd that work ?
1533104;1472754750;Yipdard;i speak french, and i know a lot about games, so IT'S STRONG!
1533105;1472754756;mircea_popescu;cool.
1533106;1472754780;*;shinohai imagines Eulora overrun with Algerians
1533107;1472754794;mircea_popescu;does it make a difference ?
1533108;1472754797;Yipdard;lol, they're everywhere
1533109;1472754821;Yipdard;i said frenchs, not fucking algerians, don't like them
1533110;1472754839;mircea_popescu;i actually knew a super hot chick who was algerian.
1533111;1472754863;Yipdard;where in algeria? please say me that it's not an arabic guy
1533112;1472754880;shinohai;And yet Yipdard, Algeria supplies you with internet!
1533113;1472754892;Yipdard;yeah that's it shinohai
1533114;1472754895;mircea_popescu;i dunno, if she was muslim she must've been not very practice-y
1533115;1472754924;Yipdard;problem is that algerians are arabisated
1533116;1472754946;Yipdard;their origin is not from this fucking sauds
1533117;1472754963;mircea_popescu;that escalated rapidly.
1533118;1472755002;Yipdard;yeah, you know kabylians?
1533119;1472755038;Yipdard;amazighs, berbères, don't really know their name in english, there probably don't have one
1533120;1472755043;VAodminnTer;$register 08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0
1533121;1472755044;deedbot;Import failed for 08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0.
1533122;1472755078;shinohai;VAodminnTer: I just sent your key to server let it propagate a sec
1533123;1472755088;mircea_popescu;you mean like soumaya, elliot rodger's stepmother ?
1533124;1472755110;Yipdard;don't know
1533125;1472755120;Yipdard;you know that zidane is a kabyle?
1533126;1472755124;Yipdard;nofake
1533127;1472755153;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neh, like the piratez of barbary !1111
1533128;1472755155;mircea_popescu;;;google soumaya akaaboune
1533129;1472755156;gribble;Soumaya Akaaboune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soumaya_Akaaboune>; The Agony of Peter Rodger, a Dad Whose Son Became a Mass ...: <http://abcnews.go.com/US/agony-peter-rodger-dad-son-mass-killer/story%3Fid%3D24317702>; somaya - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dq2cdXkjvXjY>
1533130;1472755169;asciilifeform;;;google barbary corsairs
1533131;1472755170;gribble;Barbary pirates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates>; First Barbary War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War>; Barbary Pirates Battled By US Navy 200 Years Ago: <http://history1800s.about.com/od/americanwars/tp/barbarywars.htm>
1533132;1472755175;shinohai;^
1533133;1472755192;Yipdard;Ah yes, barberousse
1533134;1472755270;Yipdard;but that's after the arabisation, kabyles are white peoples, mixed with some "bruns" (in french)
1533135;1472755362;Yipdard;soumaya akaaboune is from morocco, there is berbers there
1533136;1472755435;mircea_popescu;aha.
1533137;1472755481;Yipdard;algerians are everywhere in the world, from canada to australia omg
1533138;1472755517;*;shinohai cannot help but be amused today
1533139;1472755708;shinohai;http://archive.is/omn5f   <<< moar social media but on the blockchain experimentz
1533140;1472755790;Yipdard;what different?
1533141;1472756003;Yipdard;how old are you guys?
1533142;1472756041;VAodminnTer;$register 08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0
1533143;1472756046;deedbot;08119972876B78EB07B107C840911EAF3ABA24C0 registered as VAodminnTer.
1533144;1472756141;mircea_popescu;Yipdard you can google me you know.
1533145;1472756149;mircea_popescu;$key VAodminnTer
1533146;1472756153;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/50eebd1d-92c9-418b-ac1f-8b428dadc9ea/
1533147;1472756274;mircea_popescu;VAodminnTer http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1df457e8-17a8-49ef-8e59-2bcea5d27efc/
1533148;1472756537;shinohai;$up Yipdard
1533149;1472756537;deedbot;Yipdard voiced for 30 minutes.
1533150;1472756559;Yipdard;thanks ^^
1533151;1472756606;Yipdard;hey mircea_popescu, GIVE ME AN ACCOUNT, NOW!
1533152;1472756610;Yipdard;please :)
1533153;1472756626;mircea_popescu;$key Yipdard
1533154;1472756640;Yipdard;Ah yes! thanks
1533155;1472756644;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e93b1921-bf0c-4b8f-b39d-3dd50b219d25/
1533156;1472756644;Yipdard;$key fuckyou
1533157;1472756647;mircea_popescu;lmao
1533158;1472756657;Yipdard;lel
1533159;1472756723;Yipdard;i am downloading with 15ko/s
1533160;1472756729;Yipdard;thanks algeria
1533161;1472756737;*;asciilifeform wonders, was #eulora hit by cosmic rays, or wat, why are these folks here
1533162;1472756746;mircea_popescu;Yipdard http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/15289ec3-30c1-44d1-8afc-40234f25830a/
1533163;1472756759;Yipdard;have a 4g connexion with this download speed
1533164;1472756773;Yipdard;mircea_popescu what is it?
1533165;1472756789;shinohai;That's your login info
1533166;1472756789;mircea_popescu;you decrypt that.
1533167;1472756817;Yipdard;with Kleopatra?
1533168;1472756825;Yipdard;ok
1533169;1472756825;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1533170;1472756883;Yipdard;don't know how
1533171;1472757035;shinohai;Yipdard: see part 8 of the manual I gave you
1533172;1472757052;Yipdard;yes, just opened it
1533173;1472757154;Yipdard;it's ok, thanks!
1533174;1472757239;Yipdard;i will contact you when download is finished
1533175;1472757293;mircea_popescu;ever since shinohai got so well involved i've been pondering a fair way to handle rewards for this, though with little success ;/
1533176;1472757335;mircea_popescu;where are ye dao experts and philosophers of abstract contracts when there's actual economic need of yer "skillz".
1533177;1472757448;Yipdard;you really earned your money creating scripts?
1533178;1472757480;mircea_popescu;uh. what ?
1533179;1472757513;Yipdard;you have more than 1'500'000$ lel
1533180;1472757521;mircea_popescu;closer to a billion, yes.
1533181;1472757530;*;trinque cracks up
1533182;1472757582;Yipdard;you will vote trump?
1533183;1472757593;mircea_popescu;i live in argentina.
1533184;1472757613;mircea_popescu;besides, i don't vote ; i just publish articles.
1533185;1472757613;Yipdard;oh fuck it, shinohai live in usa, sorry
1533186;1472757622;shinohai;mircea_popescu: I will always accept payment in s.mg shares in lieu of picks
1533187;1472757635;Yipdard;so you influence peoples but you don't vote
1533188;1472757644;mircea_popescu;shinohai now this is a good point. you know what, ima put you on the list next month.
1533189;1472757661;*;shinohai claps
1533190;1472757678;mircea_popescu;knock yourself out. and also - make a "how to key" page on wiki, collect all the stuff you tell these people in one place.
1533191;1472757713;thestringpuller;shinohai: lets go ride the D*C train
1533192;1472757720;thestringpuller;n00b heaven
1533193;1472757723;shinohai;99% of it seems to be explaining gpg4win parts, but yeah time has come for a noobs guide
1533194;1472757793;mircea_popescu;save yourself the typing.
1533195;1472757841;shinohai;I don't mind, typing @ noobs = job security.
1533196;1472757888;mircea_popescu;lmao
1533197;1472758531;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-bickening/ << Trilema - The Bickening
1533198;1472758657;shinohai;$up VAodminnTer
1533199;1472758657;deedbot;VAodminnTer voiced for 30 minutes.
1533200;1472759570;trinque;http://trilema.com/2016/the-bickening/ << /me perceives more of "republic describes the structure of meaning" here
1533201;1472759585;trinque;cannot find the log line where this was first stated thus
1533202;1472759638;trinque;in other words, that "republic" describes how information flows among the nodes of the WoT
1533203;1472759645;shinohai;Also:
1533204;1472759650;shinohai;;;ud bicken
1533205;1472759650;gribble;http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3Dbicken%2520back%2520being%2520bool | Bicken Back Being Bool means kicking back being cool... Blood gangs use b's instead of C's or K's because the letter K sounds like a C.
1533206;1472759666;shinohai;lolz
1533207;1472759684;mircea_popescu;trinque not a bad approximation at all.
1533208;1472759787;mircea_popescu;the impressive thing, at least to me, is that it is an ideal artefact so utterly interpretable. from a purely political, or religious view it's one thing ; but a purely gnoseologic definition is also available, and it doesn't even have to import "person" or "reality" to work just fine. besides, it can be stated in any other systematic approach one cares to.
1533209;1472759979;mircea_popescu;shinohai footnoted!
1533210;1472760072;shinohai;ty mircea_popescu I will take my lumps but for the proper reason!
1533211;1472760116;mircea_popescu;the mystery of lumps is that only the fallen may ever get any. to everyone else it's figs an' dates.
1533212;1472760718;mircea_popescu;in other omg i can't believe this shit, apparently there's an entire ecosystem built around "faucets".
1533213;1472760915;shinohai;That's why all the eulora noobs have to PM me 3 times to ask if this is a scam.Most of them are likely faucet farmers.
1533214;1472761018;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/sS5hP << pewrhaps a fine example
1533215;1472761020;PeterL;And if it was a scam, you would tell them if they PM to ask?
1533216;1472761032;mircea_popescu;shinohai amusingly enough i'm pretty sure we've already paid out more than the entire "faucets" this whole year.
1533217;1472761065;mircea_popescu;apparently they do thinks like 200 satoshi at a time
1533218;1472761080;mircea_popescu;PeterL btw, you ready to do some mining i neulora ?
1533219;1472761107;PeterL;welll, yes (if I could get it to run...) just a sec
1533220;1472761119;shinohai;1 bitcent is roughly 6 months of average fauceting I'd say, yet some of these guys do it religiously.
1533221;1472761388;mircea_popescu;and holy shit they solve captchas. like... by hand ?
1533222;1472761503;PeterL;when your time is worth 0, solving capchas by hand is a great way to spend it
1533223;1472761509;shinohai;lol yeah,someone made a shitcoin once, iirc where pow and distribution was accomplished by filling in captchas.
1533224;1472761527;mircea_popescu;alternatively you could just spend a week reading about gardening, grow some potatoes.
1533225;1472761605;trinque;somewhere a fart bubbles through goo in a glass cylinder
1533226;1472761666;mircea_popescu;lol trinque has transcended, he will now speak in koans.
1533227;1472761916;PeterL;but growing potatoes requires some initial capital investment (and physical work!), filling out capchas is basically free!!!
1533228;1472761966;mircea_popescu;except needs computer and internet
1533229;1472761981;mircea_popescu;go steal a potato from market stall, plant it by side of road wut.
1533230;1472761991;mircea_popescu;somehow people dun do this irl, but online - no qualms about it.
1533231;1472761993;PeterL;well, if you are living in your parents basement, you already have computer and internet, right?
1533232;1472762024;mircea_popescu;socialism, the tool of insanity. getting people to ruin their lives since forever, through the surefire method of confusing the cost structure.
1533233;1472762195;mircea_popescu;"The sports casters are blaming back to school shopping, as if kids never before got outfitted for school at the and of August." << ahahaha. mno. as if anyone in the us has any money to spend. that's the big fucking point. usg.agitprop is talking about some wholly hallucinated shoping, that in their feverish imagination is so outsized as to keep people away from baseball even ?
1533234;1472762202;mircea_popescu;long live the soviets lmao.
1533235;1472766142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as if anyone in the us has any money to spend << waiwat??
1533236;1472766154;asciilifeform;no shortage of 'shoppingists'
1533237;1472766197;asciilifeform;(~where~ they get the printolade, whether from redditcard or from turning tricks, i do not know, but there is never such a time that the shops are not packed)
1533238;1472766222;PeterL;plenty of bezzle to go around
1533239;1472766235;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533230 << can't steal potato 'while you sleep!111'
1533240;1472766235;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 20:33 mircea_popescu: somehow people dun do this irl, but online - no qualms about it.
1533241;1472766256;PeterL;cant fill out capchas by hand while you sleep either
1533242;1472766262;asciilifeform;eh sure you can.
1533243;1472766266;asciilifeform;1,001 ways.
1533244;1472766292;asciilifeform;(all known 'captcha' systems fall into category of either 'unusable' or 'trivially breakable.')
1533245;1472766339;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533228 << these, like roof over house, are not part of ~anybody's cost calculus.
1533246;1472766339;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 20:32 mircea_popescu: except needs computer and internet
1533247;1472766346;asciilifeform;because, again, ~everyone already has them.
1533248;1472766357;asciilifeform;and wouldn't even consider not having.
1533249;1472766371;asciilifeform;( e.g., gabriel_laddel, a homeless dude, still has'em )
1533250;1472766885;mircea_popescu;aha.
1533251;1472766916;mircea_popescu;i dunno, it sounds to me like queues and rations are just about next.
1533252;1472766950;asciilifeform;'next' in what sense ? plenty of folks have been standing in queues and eating rationed liquishit since fdr
1533253;1472766971;mircea_popescu;in the mainstream sense
1533254;1472767007;asciilifeform;do we have to review the photos i took in bmore ?
1533255;1472767011;asciilifeform;of 'food depot'.
1533256;1472767025;asciilifeform;$s food depot
1533257;1472767026;a111;3 results for "food depot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=food%20depot
1533258;1472767443;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/01/the-blueprints/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The blueprints.
1533259;1472770335;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> in other omg i can't believe this shit, apparently there's an entire ecosystem built around "faucets". << lol, you've been so sheltered from this fount of idiots
1533260;1472770496;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and holy shit they solve captchas. like... by hand ? << Seriously the captcha problem as been solved by the poverty solution.
1533261;1472770594;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1533262;1472770619;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's a tad ridiculous you know. to quote from the other chan, "kinda funny, over the course of the week the faucet folk managed to get a little more than one of a pair of old style tits"
1533263;1472770640;mircea_popescu;i mean seriously, the 0.1 chicks used to get exceed the total gdp of that entire many-thousand strong community
1533264;1472770652;asciilifeform;of what are made new-style tits? beryllium copper ?
1533265;1472770670;asciilifeform;6-axis machined ?
1533266;1472770713;mircea_popescu;nowadays only 0.02 see
1533267;1472770719;asciilifeform;ah this.
1533268;1472770722;mircea_popescu;yea
1533269;1472770735;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You gotta remember that poverty also colonizes their minds kinda ruining them for anything else. But yeah seriously none would find a pair of tits to photograph.
1533270;1472770747;mircea_popescu;heh.
1533271;1472770805;BingoBoingo;Gotta remember these are slime that wants to do the work of python scripts et al.
1533272;1472770811;shinohai;Pretty sure I got tit market wrapped these days
1533273;1472770827;mircea_popescu;well, nothinh wrong with that, their labour is actually useful in eulora
1533274;1472770872;BingoBoingo;Are you sure?
1533275;1472770907;asciilifeform;iirc there was entire thread re subj
1533276;1472770910;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1533277;1472770926;asciilifeform;where mircea_popescu advanced the argument that 'eulora needs dungbeetles'
1533278;1472770929;mircea_popescu;the irony of how eulora is better utilization of these people's time than their own life is not lost on me
1533279;1472770929;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat
1533280;1472771004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun play, so i cannot say, but if indeed the thing ~needs~ dungbeetles, to work correctly, this is a risk.
1533281;1472771011;asciilifeform;because dungbeetles are fickle and fashion-driven.
1533282;1472771023;asciilifeform;today - eulora, tomorrow - shitquest etc.
1533283;1472771040;mircea_popescu;it needs ~some~
1533284;1472771060;mircea_popescu;and i'd be much surprised if there can be such a thing as competition.
1533285;1472771066;mircea_popescu;shitquest costs money to play after all.
1533286;1472771071;asciilifeform;fair'nuff.
1533287;1472771242;BingoBoingo;I kinda worry about the dung castles lining the shore.
1533288;1472771301;mircea_popescu;eh, how'd that work ?
1533289;1472771594;BingoBoingo;Honestly I dunno about the game, but I trust the beetles can find a wrong way to play it.
1533290;1472771623;mircea_popescu;dun think so.
1533291;1472771647;mircea_popescu;this is after all the gambit here. i say they can't.
1533292;1472771797;BingoBoingo;Well I guess the worst case is you might have to accelerate the development of oppression mechanisms in the game.
1533293;1472772057;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5135
1533294;1472773845;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: just to update, i've cleared my "things owed to relatives etc in short term" list and will move on to log bot+web feature stuff. realistically things will happen on tuesday (or before), because $job from monday onwards. will let y'all know.
1533295;1472774262;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: If you call it $job you have the wrong attitude towards it. Call it "hobby"
1533296;1472774601;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the second parcel of keyz has been digested today.
1533297;1472774783;asciilifeform;(and yes, getting them ~into the db~ takes ~100% of the time)
1533298;1472774881;Framedragger;asciilifeform: \o/
1533299;1472774913;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: yah i've to take better care of my hobbies eh
1533300;1472774918;*;Framedragger sleeps
1533301;1472774982;BingoBoingo;semi demi lol https://www.rt.com/viral/349380-marvel-comic-trump-modaak/
1533302;1472775233;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/bsxqz << in other lulz.
1533303;1472775276;asciilifeform;^ from the 'trump as ru spy' thing.
1533304;1472777718;mircea_popescu;Framedragger cool deal.
1533305;1472777730;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, i thought it was isisterrorists.
1533306;1472778036;mircea_popescu;but anyway, lulzy "duel" of talking points from the libtards and really-not-libtards-promise. they all agree russia doesn't matter and that hillary will somehow win the "elections", but you're more than free to connect the rest of the dots any way you please ? hurr durr.
1533307;1472778092;mircea_popescu;a) in a us-ru confrontation, ru wins ; as they have won the past three ; b) only thing hillary wins is another pint of hagen dazs. woman's a born loser, and always ahs been.
1533308;1472778121;mircea_popescu;heck, she probably still has the icecream ladels from back when she was the... second lady of the first man.
1533309;1472778167;mircea_popescu;$up Farksers
1533310;1472778167;deedbot;Farksers voiced for 30 minutes.
1533311;1472778246;asciilifeform;hey, recall, dhs took jurisdiction of 'critical infrastructure, which now includes elections' not so long ago.
1533312;1472778254;mircea_popescu;a right.
1533313;1472778268;mircea_popescu;so she loses election and gets anointed by bureaucracy, is the last ditch of a hope ? mmmkay,
1533314;1472778283;asciilifeform;mno
1533315;1472778289;mircea_popescu;just as long as we agree woman doesn't have a prayer.
1533316;1472778296;asciilifeform;the 'right' numbers - come out.
1533317;1472778310;mircea_popescu;so you're saying "she loses, but gets anointed by bureaucracy anyway"
1533318;1472778321;asciilifeform;nobody, afaik, cancelled diebold et al.
1533319;1472778328;mircea_popescu;yet, at any rate.
1533320;1472778397;mircea_popescu;you know diebold headquarters burns just like any other vinyl siding construction ; vaginal pear splits up andy matter's wife just as well as any other.
1533321;1472778415;mircea_popescu;so far it's the republic that published the dnc emails ; not the other way around.
1533322;1472778479;asciilifeform;what's an andy matter ?
1533323;1472778534;mircea_popescu;diebold ceo.
1533324;1472778577;asciilifeform;clitler wields the pear.
1533325;1472778597;mircea_popescu;you entertain this delusion, whereby the bureaucrats somehow have freedom to act ; republic does not
1533326;1472778604;mircea_popescu;reality in the field is exactly opposite, but hey.
1533327;1472778622;asciilifeform;mno, bureaucrats are gloves
1533328;1472778631;asciilifeform;on lizard hands.
1533329;1472778635;mircea_popescu;gloves filled with gloves. there's no substance.
1533330;1472778647;mircea_popescu;there's no meta-nsa, there's no anything. the dogvomit is dogvomit all the way down.
1533331;1472778682;asciilifeform;dogvomit dun carbombate hastingses.
1533332;1472778718;asciilifeform;$s arkencide
1533333;1472778718;a111;4 results for "arkencide", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=arkencide
1533334;1472778782;mircea_popescu;there is no substantial difference between hillary rodham clinton, ross william ulbricht and adam james susan.
1533335;1472778804;mircea_popescu;they're all the exact keyboard warrior, lost in a fantasy world where they "call assassinations" and "resolve problems" and whatnot.
1533336;1472778812;mircea_popescu;the modern variant of the scape goat.
1533337;1472778847;asciilifeform;eh when clitler takes out contract - patient dies.
1533338;1472778887;mircea_popescu;this is provably not so.
1533339;1472778919;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's model, in ru sphere is called 'inverse cargocult' - i.e. 'there are no airplanes, anywhere'
1533340;1472778935;mircea_popescu;more like "there are no wizards, unless you mean 30 yo virgins"
1533341;1472778957;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, the elliot kid is a fucking self-parody, like a comic book character irl)
1533342;1472778977;asciilifeform;it dun take a wizard to nailgun a defenseless schmuck or two.
1533343;1472779057;mircea_popescu;defenseless. a fucking wasp colony can take out the defenseless.
1533344;1472779093;asciilifeform;and for the well-defended, they have ghaddafization.
1533345;1472779112;mircea_popescu;the 90s are over.
1533346;1472779141;asciilifeform;i do hope to live to see them over, yes.
1533347;1472779153;asciilifeform;but not convinced that i will.
1533348;1472779173;mircea_popescu;you know they recently found a russian fellow with his family, in the woods.
1533349;1472779181;mircea_popescu;he was pleased to hear the tsar was finally overturned
1533350;1472779183;mircea_popescu;a century ago.
1533351;1472779195;asciilifeform;this actually happened
1533352;1472779196;mircea_popescu;he died soon thereafter ; likely from salt poisoning.
1533353;1472779199;mircea_popescu;no, i know.
1533354;1472779200;asciilifeform;in '60s
1533355;1472779204;mircea_popescu;no, in like 2013
1533356;1472779218;asciilifeform;must've been his grandkid.
1533357;1472779223;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1533358;1472779257;asciilifeform;lol salt?
1533359;1472779268;mircea_popescu;split the difference : it was 1978
1533360;1472779284;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, salt is toxic to the innocent.
1533361;1472779709;mircea_popescu;in other retarded people lulz, https://archive.is/zneAp
1533362;1472779782;shinohai;dafuq is that atrocity ... 2000 sats? srsly ?
1533363;1472779817;shinohai;"Note: We are getting low revenue from ads since we have few players/views/clicks."
1533364;1472779833;mircea_popescu;grep for "Ok guys, I found a general failure on the defense system of the game and don't know how to fix that making the game unable to play at this point."
1533365;1472779994;mircea_popescu;or alternatively i guess for " For everybody, sorry my windows got some bug yesterday while I was doing the banners to promote the game  Embarrassed and I'm busy trying to fix that, after that I'll give all atention to you all! Thanks for all!"
1533366;1472780023;shinohai;Interestingly enough, admin needs to wear paid signature to get extra 0.02 btc a week to pay server costs
1533367;1472780041;mircea_popescu;oh look at that, "binary options"
1533368;1472781059;mircea_popescu;"Develop Decentralized Applications & Sidechains in JavaScript with Lisk!"
1533369;1472781066;mircea_popescu;omfg that place. what have you done to me!
1533370;1472781164;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtahqXjFcxU
1533371;1472784655;asciilifeform;$up boolcrap
1533372;1472784656;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1533373;1472785234;asciilifeform;do they still make you leave the house, boolcrap ?
1533374;1472785265;boolcrap;oh hello
1533375;1472785272;boolcrap;yeah i went in today
1533376;1472785277;asciilifeform;that must suck.
1533377;1472785281;boolcrap;i dont work for the old people  u know
1533378;1472785281;boolcrap;;p
1533379;1472785289;asciilifeform;must suck even moar.
1533380;1472785300;boolcrap;its not a bad gig actually
1533381;1472785303;boolcrap;ive had alot of time to work on side jobs
1533382;1472785309;boolcrap;i only go in once a week or so
1533383;1472785320;asciilifeform;that's 1nce too many imho.
1533384;1472785347;boolcrap;well
1533385;1472785352;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that horror is pure gold. e.g., 'У меня пропали ракетные установки и лазеры. Даже те 4, которые вчера построил!!! Shocked  Админ ИСПРАВЬТЕ ПОЖАЛУЙСТА...'
1533386;1472785356;boolcrap;you can only make so much money not interacting with the ppls
1533387;1472785414;mircea_popescu;aha.
1533388;1472785443;asciilifeform;boolcrap: y'know, it is possible to interact with people via newfangled telegraphs'n'such.
1533389;1472785455;boolcrap;u mean, google hangouts? ;p
1533390;1472785470;mircea_popescu;consensteemit or what waseet
1533391;1472785503;asciilifeform;lel
1533392;1472785530;asciilifeform;'all deuterium is gone. It just disappeared. Give me back my deuterium please, i need it!!!'
1533393;1472785554;mircea_popescu;gets better, "i don't know how to fix that 500 error so will close the game"
1533394;1472785562;asciilifeform;'Since the game is full of bug, it does not mean i don't work hard to get to the first position. My mines is working full power and bring more than 60000 resource per hour'
1533395;1472785575;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1533396;1472785647;mircea_popescu;anyway, someone found a reimplementation of eve online in php made by some mexicans (literally), edited some stuff in his notepad ; but then the machine "caught some viruses" when he was making banners (ie, downloaded random photoshop crack) and well...
1533397;1472785656;asciilifeform;boolcrap: re: side jobs, do you still suffer with that restaurant orderbook thing?
1533398;1472785657;mircea_popescu;kinda burned, fell over and then sunk into the swamp.
1533399;1472785661;mircea_popescu;BUT THE FIFTH ONE WILL STAY UP!
1533400;1472785664;boolcrap;haha no thank god
1533401;1472785675;boolcrap;i can only stomach so much c#
1533402;1472785684;boolcrap;im working on tbm3
1533403;1472785686;asciilifeform;boolcrap: i went there not long ago and half-expected to find you inside.
1533404;1472785699;boolcrap;really you went to il pizzico?
1533405;1472785722;asciilifeform;boolcrap: aha. but it was closed, i had nfi when it opens/not.
1533406;1472785733;asciilifeform;and 3? why not 4. 5.
1533407;1472785742;asciilifeform;9000.
1533408;1472785759;asciilifeform;think - big..
1533409;1472785765;boolcrap;dam that sucks
1533410;1472785768;boolcrap;were u in the area?
1533411;1472785774;boolcrap;its closed on sundays and from 2-5
1533412;1472785844;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Listen you, i wont say donk, but spam accusin with no evidence, before accusing someone of using bugs better check with that player why he has so much points, and does he even know why he has so much points. I am sick tired of jelious players who don't know how to play game and everyone else is than using bugs and i don't know what else. SO, Please, what is your igm NICK? I gave you mine. I have 3 words for you - L2P
1533413;1472785844;asciilifeform;.'
1533414;1472785855;mircea_popescu;jelious ?
1533415;1472785864;asciilifeform;i had nfi that sewer rats had pc and net pipe.
1533416;1472785871;mircea_popescu;JELIOUS RAYE
1533417;1472785880;asciilifeform;stray dogs - yes. raccoons - yes. but rats..
1533418;1472785927;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> stray dogs - yes. raccoons - yes. but rats.. << AHA! This is what makes me wary of reaching out to faucetologists!
1533419;1472785945;mircea_popescu;check your priviledge bro. there's more people who don't javascript because they can't than the ones who don't because won't.
1533420;1472785984;asciilifeform;what's it take to can't?
1533421;1472785987;mircea_popescu;and more generally : for every one person who won't do x because stupid idea - there's at least 79 who don't because it never occured to them.
1533422;1472785991;asciilifeform;missing both hands & feet ?
1533423;1472785995;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform braindamage.
1533424;1472786017;asciilifeform;i suppose at the 'tie my shoes for me or i'll shit everywhere' level, not much javascriptin' happening
1533425;1472786020;asciilifeform;but then again!
1533426;1472786064;asciilifeform;having seen the 'software industry', it is difficult to be certain even of this.
1533427;1472786124;mircea_popescu;"do you know why it's called software, sonny ? it's because i shit better code than this!"
1533428;1472786199;asciilifeform;in other 'news', i found the ~1 remaining maker of non-chinese-shitsteel screwdrivers (yes) on the planet.
1533429;1472786207;asciilifeform;they cost > own weight in silver.
1533430;1472786220;mircea_popescu;eh. food costs own weight in silver.
1533431;1472786229;asciilifeform;well yes.
1533432;1472786230;mircea_popescu;silver is really not what it used to be.
1533433;1472786242;asciilifeform;90% of chineseness is simply from bizarre expectations
1533434;1472786258;asciilifeform;e.g., that tool 'should not cost...'
1533435;1472786319;mircea_popescu;JELIOUS RAJE
1533436;1472786354;asciilifeform;for that matter, how many folks here have ever used or even seen a proper pair of tweezers.
1533437;1472786381;asciilifeform;(they converge to a needle point, that is lathe-turned conical, and ~stays that way~ after years of stabbing into various objects)
1533438;1472786412;*;mircea_popescu has / had various surgical implements ; knows.
1533439;1472786418;asciilifeform;aha, surgical
1533440;1472786427;asciilifeform;this is not even dirigible material, pretty basic item.
1533441;1472786448;mircea_popescu;it's also a dying item. pre laparascopy it was a major tool of the trade.
1533442;1472786476;asciilifeform;eh nobody canceled tweezer.
1533443;1472786481;asciilifeform;just as no one will cancel hammer.
1533444;1472786483;asciilifeform;$up boolcrap
1533445;1472786483;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1533446;1472786487;mircea_popescu;computer assisted / robot arm did, yes.
1533447;1472786492;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> in other 'news', i found the ~1 remaining maker of non-chinese-shitsteel screwdrivers (yes) on the planet. << Who?
1533448;1472786502;mircea_popescu;very little of what used to take skilled hands and tweezers in the operating room still does.
1533449;1472786510;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'wiha' (germany)
1533450;1472786518;BingoBoingo;Aha!
1533451;1472786534;mircea_popescu;wiha is good ppls.
1533452;1472786538;BingoBoingo;There's a few other makers, but yes. Costs weight in silver.
1533453;1472786557;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and who knows for how long. wouldn't astonish me if they are opening the first chinese plant as we speak.
1533454;1472786560;asciilifeform;or 10th.
1533455;1472786585;mircea_popescu;and in other surgical news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqkkz0k6Yn1qf2htfo1_500.gif the problem with boob implants is that the boob becomes a two-medium item, and now you experience refraction etcf.
1533456;1472786608;asciilifeform;impedance mismatch!11111
1533457;1472786619;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Then they lose "Charge weight in silver." Hand tool market has solid atm homeostasis between gradations of chinese shitsteel and leap to functional metal.
1533458;1472786632;boolcrap;what is this heterosexual shit
1533459;1472786637;boolcrap;post more gay porn plz
1533460;1472786666;mircea_popescu;this is fundamentalist chat!
1533461;1472786667;boolcrap;dam this bitch is amazing
1533462;1472786695;BingoBoingo;boolcrap: https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mawbwtY21d1qetcz3o1_1280.jpg
1533463;1472786702;boolcrap;im not clicking that
1533464;1472786704;boolcrap;rofl
1533465;1472786718;asciilifeform;hey mircea_popescu do you suppose fauxtits are susceptible to free surface effect ?
1533466;1472786726;boolcrap;i clicked it, and it wasnt gay. that was a suprise
1533467;1472786728;BingoBoingo;lol, I've trained everyone so well
1533468;1472786731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes.
1533469;1472786742;mircea_popescu;happens all the time, "migrating pouch"
1533470;1472786743;BingoBoingo;boolcrap: It was the GAYEST. Nothing gayer than self fucking.
1533471;1472786749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that has to suck.
1533472;1472786753;mircea_popescu;aha.
1533473;1472786783;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: is that electric drill ?
1533474;1472786794;asciilifeform;such bakelite.
1533475;1472786805;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Which thing?
1533476;1472786815;asciilifeform;object in background
1533477;1472786829;BingoBoingo;I did not look at background.
1533478;1472786854;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dunno that teeny self-opening herself counts as self fucking.
1533479;1472786879;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Progress, not perfection!
1533480;1472786923;mircea_popescu;but since we're apparently doing gay now, i give you http://65.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5flwhSgbL1qcu54uo1_500.jpg
1533481;1472786931;mircea_popescu;father and son enjoy their savings
1533482;1472787198;boolcrap;hrm
1533483;1472787210;boolcrap;not so bad
1533484;1472787216;boolcrap;thats not quite gay
1533485;1472787224;boolcrap;i mean are their balls touching, i cant tell
1533486;1472787250;mircea_popescu;they're still essentially rubbing their underdicks on each other.
1533487;1472787275;boolcrap;yeah but, it is for the pleasure of this nice slut
1533488;1472787286;BingoBoingo;Nitemare fuel https://archive.is/ytqE1
1533489;1472787291;boolcrap;does rubbing shafts make you gay in this situation?
1533490;1472787603;BingoBoingo;;;8ball "does rubbing shafts make you gay in this situation?"
1533491;1472787603;gribble;Yes!
1533492;1472787609;BingoBoingo;boolcrap: ^
1533493;1472787679;boolcrap;yeah im going to disagree
1533494;1472787684;boolcrap;because i could easy be in this situation but
1533495;1472787688;boolcrap;im not gay.
1533496;1472787717;boolcrap;;;8ball "will i die a free man"
1533497;1472787717;gribble;Naturally.
1533498;1472787723;boolcrap;winner winner
1533499;1472788465;BingoBoingo;$up boolcrap
1533500;1472788465;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1533501;1472788559;boolcrap;thank goodness
1533502;1472788668;mircea_popescu;lol dude's rotting alive, watching manga.
1533503;1472788813;BingoBoingo;Tis the way of the hamplanet
1533504;1472788921;mircea_popescu;and to wash BingoBoingo 's heresies down, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llcw0251Xc1qbznsao1_r1_1280.jpg
1533505;1472789317;boolcrap;what kind of man shaves their balls
1533506;1472789402;mircea_popescu;the kind that is sick of trying to wash saliva out of tufty hairs
1533507;1472789416;boolcrap;easy solution
1533508;1472789421;boolcrap;dont get blowjobs
1533509;1472789428;boolcrap;or just find the girl that kind of only licks the tip
1533510;1472789432;mircea_popescu;what kind of a man doesn't get blowjobs ?
1533511;1472789443;boolcrap;good question
1533512;1472789448;boolcrap;i cannot answer but im sure they exist
1533513;1472790360;BingoBoingo;$up boolcrap
1533514;1472790360;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1533515;1472790729;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/musk-rocket-goes-boom-destroying-zuckerberg-satellite/ << Qntra - Musk Rocket Goes Boom Destroying Zuckerberg Satellite
1533516;1472792701;BingoBoingo;$up boolcrap
1533517;1472792702;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1533518;1472818990;PeterL;obnoxious thing about winblows #67542: using \ as a directory separator rather than / like other OSen. bleh.
1533519;1472819057;shinohai;It's how you separate the wheat from the chaff.
1533520;1472820739;mircea_popescu;lol
1533521;1472820901;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the physics is SO unfair!
1533522;1472820915;mircea_popescu;doesn't it know these people have note from bahamas ?!?!?!
1533523;1472820946;mircea_popescu;even asange said this should happen to the russians! not to them! scandalous.
1533524;1472821690;BingoBoingo;totally
1533525;1472821840;mircea_popescu;aaand qntra shares added.
1533526;1472821852;BingoBoingo;ty
1533527;1472821862;mircea_popescu;nono, my pleasure
1533528;1472821922;BingoBoingo;If only shinohai's "ty" bot was here
1533529;1472822004;shinohai;heh
1533530;1472822032;mircea_popescu;lol
1533531;1472822105;shinohai;you are welcome to take over maintenance BingoBoingo, I bought it a dedi shell and everything.
1533532;1472822163;BingoBoingo;Nah, I don't speak robot.
1533533;1472822176;BingoBoingo;At least not the language of their insides.
1533534;1472822331;BingoBoingo;brb
1533535;1472822342;mircea_popescu;lol shinohai will instruct noobs. how to play eulora ; how to run bot ; how to fuck camhos ; and other thangs.
1533536;1472822384;mircea_popescu;the reason he's meeting venezuelan friend isn't what you think, but - they'll both go meet the girl, take her back to hotel, then shinohai's gonna be "alright bro, now take your pants off. not those pants, these pants. yes off. here's a webpage with screenshots. ok, now..."
1533537;1472822402;BingoBoingo;$b 2
1533538;1472822409;shinohai;I don't give camho fucking lessons, if one cannot figure the best way to do that on your own then I imagine there is little hope left in the world for you.
1533539;1472822430;mircea_popescu;dude you kidding ? fucking is complicated.
1533540;1472822477;shinohai;Sure it ir, but you don't have to be a graduate of Don Juan university to do it either.
1533541;1472822483;mircea_popescu;for one thing, usg hasn't yet liberated female pelvis. current version still has confusing # of holes.
1533542;1472822510;mircea_popescu;but i hear they're making an upgrade marked mandatory for everyone. called persistent cloaca.
1533543;1472822601;mircea_popescu;(look it up, bout 50 ppm or such as it is)
1533544;1472822607;*;shinohai searches trilema for an `Art of Fucking` piece.
1533545;1472822637;mircea_popescu;there's some periphrastic work but afaik i've not tackled this monster as of yet.
1533546;1472822788;BingoBoingo;Well, shinohai's about to have a really disappointed Venezualan on his hands if mp doesn't
1533547;1472822794;BingoBoingo;brb 4real nao
1533548;1472822837;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-august-2016-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) August 2016 Statement
1533549;1472827003;thestringpuller;doesn't shinohai have lady already?
1533550;1472827040;shinohai;Nope thestringpuller have been single for several months now
1533551;1472827314;thestringpuller;oh so no excuse not to go to D*C
1533552;1472827315;thestringpuller;:D
1533553;1472827338;asciilifeform;what's that ?
1533554;1472828120;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://lwn.net/Articles/699047
1533555;1472828132;asciilifeform;'Outgoing Apache OpenOffice project management committee (PMC) chair Dennis Hamilton has begun the discussion of a possible (note possible at this point) shutdown of the project. "In the case of Apache OpenOffice, needing to disclose security vulnerabilities for which there is no mitigation in an update has become a serious issue. In responses to concerns raised in June, the PMC is currently tasked by the ASF Board to account for thi
1533556;1472828132;asciilifeform;s inability and to provide a remedy. An indicator of the seriousness of the Board's concern is the PMC been requested to report to the Board every month, starting in August, rather than quarterly, the normal case. One option for remedy that must be considered is retirement of the project. The request is for the PMC's consideration among other possible options." '
1533557;1472829469;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7ECDAB4F47DC074FD5DD619E8497611C76099101869F1050F59331ACB3688182 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 145779041854024466543805435305040161032263039552445727478889939629125145055920877942711960663495543281995643871739066589514344423826837360474704980190032888801407462352657389669434143403256718707620480595574061505020992885043476125599502375559426045681606348052292104535537217875044255423036410266975082307929 divides RS
1533558;1472829469;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F8011333E293B9F0A5F9BE238EEE6962F9991F66F3FA36CDC317C0680C02D5AF << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 145779041854024466543805435305040161032263039552445727478889939629125145055920877942711960663495543281995643871739066589514344423826837360474704980190032888801407462352657389669434143403256718707620480595574061505020992885043476125599502375559426045681606348052292104535537217875044255423036410266975082307929 divides RS
1533559;1472829495;asciilifeform;^ Chicago, Illinois, US. 'CLEAR WIRELESS LLC'.
1533560;1472829516;asciilifeform;and Rochester, New York, same.
1533561;1472829665;mircea_popescu;nice thick factorz.
1533562;1472829680;asciilifeform;$ timeout -k 0m 3s nc 96.24.7.172 22
1533563;1472829681;asciilifeform;SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
1533564;1472829687;asciilifeform;$ timeout -k 0m 3s nc 66.233.213.117 22
1533565;1472829687;asciilifeform;SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
1533566;1472829690;mircea_popescu;aha
1533567;1472829704;mircea_popescu;$s "OpenSSH_5.2"
1533568;1472829704;a111;4 results for "\"OpenSSH_5.2\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22OpenSSH_5.2%22
1533569;1472829705;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaand now we have another idiotmodem.
1533570;1472829712;asciilifeform;btw i once bought a 'clear wireless' modem thing.
1533571;1472829720;asciilifeform;sent it back, the claimed coverage area was a fiction.
1533572;1472829725;asciilifeform;(this was some years ago.)
1533573;1472829736;*;mircea_popescu doesn't use wireless.
1533574;1472829764;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu sits on fnargl throne, aha, and trails long wire behind him on occasions when he is carried.
1533575;1472829781;mircea_popescu;you all want wireless because you grow cats in the house, admit it.
1533576;1472829810;mircea_popescu;but yes, when i had garden in timisoara i also had a spool of cat5.
1533577;1472829904;asciilifeform;incidentally i suspect the 'cellular' ips are not modems.
1533578;1472829930;asciilifeform;the latter typically do not allow for remote access (this is a major sticking point, they dun like incoming)
1533579;1472829943;mircea_popescu;hm this is a good point huh
1533580;1472830008;mircea_popescu;watch that it's actual towers lmao
1533581;1472830038;mircea_popescu;"phuctor has accidentally uncovered an access gateway for the usg global intercept network"
1533582;1472830076;jurov;Qntra shares distributed.
1533583;1472830345;shinohai;ty jurov and also do you have updated .deb for eulora?
1533584;1472830498;jurov;oh not yet
1533585;1472830518;shinohai;:/ ok
1533586;1472830535;jurov;maybe today, thx for reminder
1533587;1472830588;shinohai;werd
1533588;1472831098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the major point re the Framedragger keyz, is that if going by the usual braindamaged-rng hypothesis, we are uncovering a small % of phuctorables.
1533589;1472831171;asciilifeform;and could potentially blow considerably (say, 100,000x) moar, if we knew the mechanism (e.g. 'marsaglia rng seeded with last 16 bits of time stamp at first boot) which produced them.
1533590;1472831179;mircea_popescu;yes.
1533591;1472831190;asciilifeform;given as what we're seeing is 'birthday paradox.'
1533592;1472831195;mircea_popescu;yes.
1533593;1472831215;mircea_popescu;the correct move here if we had spare engineers would be to run a complete review of open sores crypto material generators, starting with openssh
1533594;1472831226;mircea_popescu;and then apply that to zero field, timestamps, etc.
1533595;1472831251;mircea_popescu;get a "cloud" of likely primes, much in the way "artificial intelligence" works.
1533596;1472831264;asciilifeform;or even to take 1 known pair of key and what-made-it, and work backwards.
1533597;1472831275;mircea_popescu;ie, if paul biggar weren't a total idiot, he'd be here doing this.
1533598;1472831297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's much iffier because as you've seen in the field, the idiots who are idiots once are going to be idiots forever
1533599;1472831308;mircea_popescu;what's that "pirate party" derp again ?
1533600;1472831314;asciilifeform;hasimir ?
1533601;1472831320;mircea_popescu;something like that.
1533602;1472831335;mircea_popescu;NONE of them produced the fucking software. all of them produced various versions of "oh, you owe us things"
1533603;1472831346;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523076 <<
1533604;1472831346;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 16:09 mircea_popescu: $rate hasimir -1 Ill informed idiot.
1533605;1472831352;mircea_popescu;right.
1533606;1472831374;mircea_popescu;somehow the "here is the code i compiled to run to obtain that result" is not obviously the ONLY thing they may do in their situation.
1533607;1472831393;mircea_popescu;meaningless flailing about what "we haven't proven" however, ie, the ONLY thing they may not do in their situation, that they come up with qs.
1533608;1472831412;asciilifeform;eh i wasn't suggesting ~asking~ them.
1533609;1472831423;mircea_popescu;and you can ask / say whatever you want, idiot runs on own code and ain't taking outside input.
1533610;1472831439;asciilifeform;but to take one of the routers discussed in the netcat thread and actually see how it shits out key
1533611;1472831441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform emulating them, same diff.
1533612;1472831462;mircea_popescu;anyway. none of this is a good use of your time atm.
1533613;1472831485;asciilifeform;it could be good use of somebody ~else~
1533614;1472831495;mircea_popescu;hence why "ask them".
1533615;1472831527;mircea_popescu;yes, it could have, at any point during the past year, been a significant way for the derps to contribute ; and very cheap for them.
1533616;1472831535;mircea_popescu;but they are derps because impotent, not because "mp hates them"
1533617;1472836626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh, betcha hanno boeck et al are already nearly done cooking up a 'we've been surveying bad ssh keygen for 111 years' crock of shit
1533618;1472836732;mircea_popescu;$key mihi
1533619;1472836735;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/fa988714-c82c-4fae-b4f6-fe63d184f1a0/
1533620;1472836739;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im sure.
1533621;1472839058;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the monkey house, https://archive.is/0Afgw
1533622;1472839070;asciilifeform;'Last week, a defense lawyer argued that the FBI drastically improved the performance of a dark web child pornography site in the process of investigating it. On Thursday, the Department of Justice responded, denying those claims.'
1533623;1472839132;mircea_popescu;lol
1533624;1472839136;mircea_popescu;i believe.
1533625;1472839255;asciilifeform;soooo, i suppose ~everyone recalls https://archive.is/L4C3X . and naturally nobody cancelled it : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrWvP7BVMAAFsVC.jpg
1533626;1472839715;mircea_popescu;loller
1533627;1472840122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja ever notice that ~all of the Framedragger boxes support publickey auth on ssh ?
1533628;1472840254;mircea_popescu;i didn't really dig into it.
1533629;1472840272;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/jJPoN << quite related.
1533630;1472840314;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: typically the key used for actually logging in is generated on same box. with same braindamaged rng. hopefully i dun need to draw a picture, it makes sense
1533631;1472840333;mircea_popescu;hey, let the reader benefit, what.
1533632;1472840461;trinque;asciilifeform: people generate their ssh privkey on the box *to which* they're connecting?
1533633;1472840504;asciilifeform;trinque: current working hypothesis is that ~none of the affected boxes are operated by 'people'
1533634;1472840518;asciilifeform;but instead shipped with a script that generates keys on first boot
1533635;1472840524;asciilifeform;(as typical router/modem/etc.)
1533636;1472840557;mircea_popescu;^
1533637;1472840613;trinque;I am on a terribly laggy connection, but people there can be understood as "manufacturers"
1533638;1472840702;trinque;all the networking gear I've seen didn't ship with any authorized_keys filled in
1533639;1472840728;asciilifeform;trinque: try a ssh -v ipaddrgoeshere -l root on one of these
1533640;1472840742;asciilifeform;do you still see a 'debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password' ?
1533641;1472840784;mircea_popescu;trinque depends on setup ; sometimes nat people do this. gotta remember we're talking of a tiny fraction of the space here.
1533642;1472840818;asciilifeform;well other working hypothesis is that it is ~not~ tiny fraction, but a tip of the 'birthday theorem' iceberg.
1533643;1472840864;mircea_popescu;yes, the people with shitty opsec are never a tiny fraction of any group ; even if we don't meet them often
1533644;1472840901;asciilifeform;think of it as a geiger that rattled all day long at 1000x the familiar background for the room.
1533645;1472840911;trinque;asciilifeform: yes I know what that means.
1533646;1472840919;asciilifeform;yes, there IS some nonzero probability of it happening 'at random', but chances are that someone was served polonium tea.
1533647;1472840952;trinque;but it does not immediately follow that there are any authorized_keys set or determine where they were generated if so
1533648;1472840953;asciilifeform;and the tube is only seeing a microscopic fraction of the photons.
1533649;1472840967;asciilifeform;trinque: well that was the q. didja try it ?
1533650;1472840972;mircea_popescu;trinque his idea was that it's worth checking if there were ; not necessarily that there are.
1533651;1472840981;mircea_popescu;but at this point it wouldn't be much surprise if there were, honestly.
1533652;1472840982;trinque;ah well no argument I guess.
1533653;1472840991;trinque;people do the strangest things.
1533654;1472841200;asciilifeform;soooo, turns out that the 'publickey' thing is displayed whether or not it is actually enabled.
1533655;1472841218;asciilifeform;so we have 0 useful info re subj.
1533656;1472841549;mircea_popescu;to be clear here : if the keys are generated out of 16 bits of entropy ; and if there are 65537 keys ; then necessarily there will be at least one weak pair, and in practice more than half ; all of which  will be cheaply hacked apart by phuctor's method.
1533657;1472841628;mircea_popescu;considering we have millions of keys, and considering the sort of shenanigans we've seen currently, including werner koch's gpg subversion most recently ; it would not be inconceivable at this point if a good chunk - thousands, hundreds of thousands of keys can actually be factored once we figure out which exact 20, 30, whatever bits are actual entropy , and how the nextprime is chosen on the basis of that.
1533658;1472841658;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct.
1533659;1472841688;mircea_popescu;because if we discover that say "thisfunction is used on 64 bits of input of which the first 44 are known" ; then we run the other 20, add the resulting nextprime etc add those into the 8ball and it's goodnight.
1533660;1472841694;asciilifeform;aha.
1533661;1472841705;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just making it plain for teh log readership.
1533662;1472841728;asciilifeform;it is quite conceivable, given the popping rate, that some large fraction of extant rsa keys have somewhere between 24 and 64 bits of actual entropy.
1533663;1472841741;mircea_popescu;yes.
1533664;1472841791;asciilifeform;in epic spam noose, 'HONR378Q Honors Seminar:  Islamic Radicalization Drivers of Youth in the United States and Afghanistan Omar Samad, former Afghanistan Ambassador to France. This is a Global Classroom seminar: Using teleconferencing technology UMD Honors students will be conducting research with their Afghan peers at the American University of Afghanistan in Kabul.' --- then, 24 hrs later,
1533665;1472841796;asciilifeform;'Yesterday, we announced HONR 378Q, and many of you are interested in the course. Unfortunately, as you may already know, AUAF was attacked by terrorists 10 days ago and they are in the process of recover. So we are unable to offer the course this semester; but we are hopeful that we will be able to offer it in the future.'
1533666;1472841861;mircea_popescu;lol.
1533667;1472841883;mircea_popescu;is this what they call the police arresting the key people of their child porn ring ? "attacked by terrorists" ?
1533668;1472841887;mircea_popescu;no shame anymore.
1533669;1472841903;asciilifeform;when did these folks ever have shame.
1533670;1472841907;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1533671;1472842343;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/3eUpF << see also.
1533672;1472844848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://gnupg.org/blog/20160830-web-key-service.html << koch grunts again to push folks to gpg2. this time, by 'obsoleting' sks.
1533673;1472844913;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: best part, now 'mailer can do encryption without user interaction' !11111
1533674;1472844926;mircea_popescu;o ya, such feature.
1533675;1472844941;mircea_popescu;anyway. sks has no practical future.
1533676;1472844956;asciilifeform;neither does koch's not-sks.
1533677;1472844959;asciilifeform;('wks')
1533678;1472844998;mircea_popescu;o he has a replacement ? lol
1533679;1472845018;asciilifeform;that was the whole lul in subj link.
1533680;1472845026;asciilifeform;he is pushing a new, gpg2-only thing.
1533681;1472845035;asciilifeform;unveiled at the 'pgp conference', no less.
1533682;1472845055;asciilifeform;(i can only assume, as this is where he was)
1533683;1472845085;mircea_popescu;the braindamage of faux incompatibility.
1533684;1472845088;mircea_popescu;wtf is "gpg-2"
1533685;1472845138;mircea_popescu;"what color is your rsa key bro"
1533686;1472845141;asciilifeform;the abortion discussed in the recent rng thread.
1533687;1472845162;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i mean, i nthe context of keys. they're still the same damned thing, what "2"
1533688;1472847366;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idea was that only gpg2 knows how to talk to the 'wks' crapolade.
1533689;1472847905;shinohai;"An unknown individual using the encrypted privacy tool Tor to hide their tracks accessed an email account on a Clinton family server, the FBI revealed Friday."   <<<< bwahahaha
1533690;1472848004;trinque;so NSA is favoring Trump or what?
1533691;1472849183;mircea_popescu;$up Rowtan
1533692;1472849184;deedbot;Rowtan voiced for 30 minutes.
1533693;1472849403;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so basically they took the windows pill.
1533694;1472850295;mircea_popescu;"And honesty's against all common sense: men must be knaves, 'tis in their own defence. Mankind's dishonest; if you think it fair among known cheats to play upon the square you'll be undone. Nor can weak truth your reputation save: the knaves will all agree to call you knave."
1533695;1472850709;asciilifeform;http://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2016-09-02/hanjin-bankruptcy-causes-global-shipping-chaos-retail-fears << moar lelz.
1533696;1472850720;asciilifeform;'The bankruptcy of the Hanjin shipping line has thrown ports and retailers around the world into confusion, with giant container ships marooned and merchants worrying whether tons of goods will reach their shelves. The South Korean giant filed for bankruptcy protection on Wednesday and stopped accepting new cargo. With its assets being frozen, ships from China to Canada found themselves refused permission to offload or take aboard co
1533697;1472850721;asciilifeform;ntainers because there were no guarantees that tugboat pilots or stevedores would be paid.'
1533698;1472851219;mircea_popescu;aha
1533699;1472851242;mircea_popescu;time to buy your ship if you're serious. this unique circumstance in human history will never repeat.
1533700;1472851427;asciilifeform;lel
1533701;1472851450;mircea_popescu;tis a fact.
1533702;1472851457;asciilifeform;'folks charging $1000 per container could not afford the diesel. i know great idea! i'll buy one and carry 0 containers, charging $0 !'
1533703;1472851530;asciilifeform;these ships have exactly all of the appeal of driving a ww2 panther tank around town.
1533704;1472851661;mircea_popescu;they float.
1533705;1472851691;mircea_popescu;unlike the kickstarter lolrlov nonsense. they exist, and they float. nobody asks you to go from vancouver to huangzhou.
1533706;1472851709;asciilifeform;what's the mtbf on these things ?
1533707;1472851721;mircea_popescu;for what operational definition ?
1533708;1472851735;mircea_popescu;mean time between hull failures is about a century.
1533709;1472851746;asciilifeform;for 'failure' being 'not repairable outside of dry dock'
1533710;1472851756;mircea_popescu;few are ever repaired.
1533711;1472851768;asciilifeform;that doesn't sound good.
1533712;1472851783;mircea_popescu;too expensive to drydock. cheaper to melt and make new one than "fix".
1533713;1472851811;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform most galleons were never repaired also.
1533714;1472851812;asciilifeform;until the day when no new ones are available at any price.
1533715;1472851837;mircea_popescu;if you buy a newish one at a fire sale/bankruptcy proceeding today ; you will die before it dies.
1533716;1472851857;mircea_popescu;how long do you think you got, a century ?
1533717;1472851869;asciilifeform;let's run with this concept. say i buy. where to park it ?
1533718;1472851879;mircea_popescu;you don't park it. you live on it.
1533719;1472851881;mircea_popescu;intl waters.
1533720;1472851931;asciilifeform;and never walk off for supplies, etc
1533721;1472851932;asciilifeform;?
1533722;1472851943;mircea_popescu;you got a crane or two. get people to bring you supplies by boat.
1533723;1472851948;asciilifeform;i suppose when you're mircea_popescu, you can just moore your dirigible to it.
1533724;1472851949;mircea_popescu;if you buy enough walmart will do anything.
1533725;1472851965;asciilifeform;*moor
1533726;1472851978;mircea_popescu;hey, i had them deliver 2 tons of water by hand ; the whole purchase was a few hundred bux.
1533727;1472851989;mircea_popescu;they'll deliver. you just buy your sprat by the pellet rather than by the box as now. it keeps./
1533728;1472852010;asciilifeform;neato.
1533729;1472852031;mircea_popescu;it works better if you have half a dozen slavegirls with you ; buy ten tons of flour, have them make bread each day
1533730;1472852046;asciilifeform;incidentally, if this is a thing, how come nobody afaik uses old cargo ship as office space.
1533731;1472852059;mircea_popescu;flour also keeps ; esp at sea. ten tons will still only cost you a few thousand dollars, who cares.
1533732;1472852066;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some people do. it sucks.
1533733;1472852076;asciilifeform;where are the sad flotillas full of captive programmers etc.
1533734;1472852077;mircea_popescu;but that's because living on the sea sucks, not because the ships suck.
1533735;1472852088;mircea_popescu;there's MANY flotillas of sad shoe makers / tailors etc.
1533736;1472852106;mircea_popescu;hundreds of ships load raw materials in china deliver product in brazil and back and forth
1533737;1472852118;mircea_popescu;like a large sort of ant colony digesting leaves of denim
1533738;1472852140;mircea_popescu;the reason they're not programmers is that there's no useful value in programming.
1533739;1472852150;asciilifeform;what's the win from hosting the shoemakers on the ship per se ?
1533740;1472852153;asciilifeform;vs only the shoes
1533741;1472852157;mircea_popescu;it's entirely a social-media thing. boys "program" exactly like the girls "are popular"
1533742;1472852168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they can't leave.
1533743;1472852172;mircea_popescu;better work ethic.
1533744;1472852175;asciilifeform;and on land they can leave ?
1533745;1472852179;mircea_popescu;yes.
1533746;1472852182;asciilifeform;i suppose on the boat they cannot go to the pub etc.
1533747;1472852193;mircea_popescu;review the problems of running mines in the us cca 1800. dumbass minersd want to work a week and visit a brothel.
1533748;1472852209;mircea_popescu;this is plowing with chickens. they work for a year at a time not for a two hour stretch ; then you got a business.
1533749;1472852282;asciilifeform;that this was not yet done to programmers illustrates the 'nobody needs 'software industry' for very much, it would not cover the diesel' hypothesis.
1533750;1472852297;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1533751;1472852313;asciilifeform;then again, lawyers or stock traders are likewise not yet on the ship.
1533752;1472852319;mircea_popescu;programming is not an economic activity ; it has no value. it's a social activity, like clicking on lolpics or liking on facebook.
1533753;1472852328;asciilifeform;the mere fact of the absence of the slave ship does not tell us why.
1533754;1472852332;mircea_popescu;the govt distributes largesse for this and for that, so the mouthbreathers can keep going.
1533755;1472852346;asciilifeform;arguably making shoes for these selfsame people is likewise countereconomic.
1533756;1472852357;asciilifeform;even if the shoes - are real.
1533757;1472852443;diana_coman;<mircea_popescu> it's entirely a social-media thing. boys "program" exactly like the girls "are popular" <- only today I read in that sad ACM magazine that *used* to be a thing about the great discovery of "helping" children finally learn programming by...making it social!
1533758;1472852449;diana_coman;so myeah, spot on
1533759;1472852454;mircea_popescu;heh
1533760;1472852465;diana_coman;social as in social-media, ofc
1533761;1472852473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this isn't to say that there can't exist a market ; or that one can't write useful code.
1533762;1472852487;mircea_popescu;but the bullshit koch does ; or blizzard does ; or app development or etc ain't it
1533763;1472852552;asciilifeform;the activity as now extant resembles, more than anything, the building of the pyramids.
1533764;1472852592;mircea_popescu;not even vaguely. the activity resembles final middle school camp.
1533765;1472852608;mircea_popescu;all the boys are out in the forest jacking off, and all the girls are being mean to each other in circles of n-1
1533766;1472852622;mircea_popescu;but whatever, highschool's starting soon.
1533767;1472852947;asciilifeform;that makes it sound like harmless fun
1533768;1472852954;asciilifeform;which it, by and large, is not.
1533769;1472852999;asciilifeform;cleaning up the mess from the circle jerk will take 10,001 man-year of people of whom not even 100 are alive.
1533770;1472853031;mircea_popescu;not really. i already cleanned it up ; exactly in the way the spunk left behind by the teens is cleanned.
1533771;1472853043;mircea_popescu;"just don't go there" aka http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
1533772;1472853047;asciilifeform;point finger != cleaned up.
1533773;1472853078;mircea_popescu;that's not it. just ... look, all this "work" that the prb derps think they're doing. it has no future. it isn't getting imported into bitcoin.
1533774;1472853097;mircea_popescu;they think they're important, fine. every teenager thinks himself important, and relevant to the world. the truth is none of them are either.
1533775;1472853125;mircea_popescu;this is universally true. a lot of "work" was "put" into myspace. so ? nobody cares, nobody uses it. same is true of google, or of facebook.
1533776;1472853156;mircea_popescu;maybe, vaguely, we might resurect something later that people who are really emotionalyl invested in their youth not having been wasted will misinterpret as "we took it from google".
1533777;1472853167;asciilifeform;before stomping a scorpion, i do not need to buy a new scorpion. but before shooting horse, i gotta buy a new horse.
1533778;1472853170;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, we didn't.
1533779;1472853195;mircea_popescu;this isn't a horse, or a scorpion. it's a fashion.
1533780;1472853198;asciilifeform;(e.g., the case of pgp)
1533781;1472853221;mircea_popescu;before not caring about random fashion, one needn't even know it exists. there are really NO prerequisites to simply not including bad code, caring abotu stupid social conventions etc.
1533782;1472853240;asciilifeform;or, more pointedly, the long and quite unpleasant surgery involved in undoing the idiocies of 'satoshi' derp, by no means complete even now
1533783;1472853320;mircea_popescu;i shall handwave again at you.
1533784;1472853337;asciilifeform;mega-argument.
1533785;1472853385;asciilifeform;'don't go there' is very simple algo when you have another 'there' to which to do.
1533786;1472853387;asciilifeform;*to go.
1533787;1472853424;mircea_popescu;aha. hey, i'm a man of simple tastes. 120 tdw boat , dirigible... i always content myself with the very inaccessible.
1533788;1472853594;asciilifeform;for some reason my immediate mental image now is the legendary newly oil-rich bedouins who, supposedly, abandoned mercedes in the desert rather than bothering to refuel it
1533789;1472853614;asciilifeform;(refueling was seen as 'dirty' work, unfit for manly man etc.)
1533790;1472853617;asciilifeform;or so it went.
1533791;1472853629;mircea_popescu;heh
1533792;1472853734;asciilifeform;i have nfi if this tale is true, but there is another, steve dutch (geologist, i linked to a few of his pieces) reported that arabs initially had serious problems with oil well maintenance when no migrant worker could be found to wash a part, oil a machine, etc.
1533793;1472853755;asciilifeform;True Man would dirty his hands with no such thing. or sumthing.
1533794;1472853799;mircea_popescu;who knows. fact is romania had it made in the shade, exporting skilled workers + machined parts in exchange for straight out concessions. had its own oil field which it sucked with its own rigs, oil moved on its own boats to its own refineries
1533795;1472853814;mircea_popescu;how this came to pass is anyone's guess, but the arabs had a reputation for engineeringly inept.
1533796;1472853836;asciilifeform;same way, e.g., aramco came to exist.
1533797;1472853843;mircea_popescu;pretty much
1533798;1472853908;mircea_popescu;it's probably gay to wash things, who even knows.
1533799;1472853925;asciilifeform;this is not so far out.
1533800;1472853939;mircea_popescu;"i wash sword in blood of enemies and dick in ass of their wives. what need has true man for water ?"
1533801;1472853944;asciilifeform;picture, if you will, if tomorrow some tech were introduced that required operator to lactate.
1533802;1472853988;mircea_popescu;you mean like babies ?
1533803;1472854007;asciilifeform;well, no, some contrived item, closer to oil drilling.
1533804;1472854226;asciilifeform;http://oglaf.com/son-of-kronar << oblig.
1533805;1472856674;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533505 << this is sop for dudes who get their balls sucked with any kind of regularity. mebbe it's a bit pornstarish but it's the only way to live.
1533806;1472856674;a111;Logged on 2016-09-02 04:08 boolcrap: what kind of man shaves their balls
1533807;1472856945;pete_dushenski;in other sexy news, the mpex 'speed bump' feature is catching on beyond iex. http://archive.is/0xOrx
1533808;1472857095;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532928 << /adds episode to list, mostly because all canada is doing is paying attention to trump.
1533809;1472857095;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 14:14 mircea_popescu: so i watched a southpark episode last night, it was one about how all the canadians moved to the us because they had elected a trump and canada was turned into a total detroit by his idiocy BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PAYING ATTENTION, and it made me think of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160831/from:98/to:98#98
1533810;1472857128;pete_dushenski;there's a lotta "if trump were elected i just wouldn't even know what to say or do" going around
1533811;1472857174;pete_dushenski;as if it isn't happening. or can just be "unhappened" if it inconveniently does
1533812;1472857433;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-31#1532632 << wut, like i'm japanese master carpenter who doesn't even need nails to make timber structure stand for 1000 years ? hardly. anyways, the vanity is getting scrapped in favour of other reno prioritays.
1533813;1472857433;a111;Logged on 2016-08-31 19:55 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Just shop for lumber and stone slabs. Teach the tot carpentry.
1533814;1472857503;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532649 << offline build script is mega nifty, mod6. i'll definitely be testing this out before long :)
1533815;1472857503;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 00:03 mod6:  http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
1533816;1472857519;shinohai;Speed bump article is interesting pete_dushenski
1533817;1472857595;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532666 << thought this was plasticarwagon a la BingoBoingo at first. prolly citroen/peugeot upon further review.
1533818;1472857595;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 03:05 mircea_popescu: and in other excessive opulence news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loa4f0dV5g1qmk4gro1_1280.jpg
1533819;1472857667;shinohai;leggz
1533820;1472857692;pete_dushenski;shinohai: ya not bad eh. each exchange is favouring different party. diversitay done right.
1533821;1472857712;shinohai;^.^
1533822;1472857743;*;pete_dushenski enjoys guess the car from one curve/angle/snippet game
1533823;1472857809;pete_dushenski;speaking of the power of violence as a force for edumacation : http://archive.is/WiEYD
1533824;1472857843;pete_dushenski;"Once a Bucknell Professor, Now the Commander of an Ethiopian Rebel Army"
1533825;1472857935;pete_dushenski;somehow prof berhanu nega wasn't stopped at departure lounge for going to fight with 'isis or similar flavour of yogurt'. must be plumbook terrorist.
1533826;1472858689;asciilifeform;lel new colour revolution
1533827;1472858790;pete_dushenski;myup, which, like paris eating couscous, will result in washington eating injera
1533828;1472858843;pete_dushenski;"Nega insists that Ethiopia has “cooked the books,” and that its growth rate is largely attributable to huge infrastructure projects and Western development aid, with little contribution from the private sector." << all to protect reputation of bahamas homeland
1533829;1472859305;pete_dushenski;"Two months before Obama arrived, the government presided over what was widely considered a sham election, in which the ruling party won all 547 seats in Parliament, But Obama, making it clear that security trumped other concerns in the Horn of Africa, stood beside Meles’s successor, Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, and described the government as being “democratically elected.”
1533830;1472859503;pete_dushenski;http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/1/17/Ep_109_starvinmarvin.gif/revision/latest?cb=20070818234354 << oblig. ethiopian
1533831;1472859553;pete_dushenski;"“If you like comfort, and that’s what drives you, you’ll never do this,” he told me, taking a sip of the ice-cold vodka. “But sometimes you get really surprised. Once you have a commitment to something, all these things that you thought were normal in your day-to-day life become unnecessary luxuries.”" << amen. spoken like a true terrorist.
1533832;1472859605;pete_dushenski;in fact, if anything defines a "terrorist" it's exactly this spitting in the face of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1533233
1533833;1472859605;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 20:36 mircea_popescu: "The sports casters are blaming back to school shopping, as if kids never before got outfitted for school at the and of August." << ahahaha. mno. as if anyone in the us has any money to spend. that's the big fucking point. usg.agitprop is talking about some wholly hallucinated shoping, that in their feverish imagination is so outsized as to keep people away from baseball even ?
1533834;1472859615;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532649 << offline build script is mega nifty, mod6. i'll definitely be testing this out before long :) << thanks!
1533835;1472859615;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 00:03 mod6:  http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000232.html
1533836;1472859690;pete_dushenski;at least ~one~ of the foundation chairs is pulling their weight :P
1533837;1472859696;*;pete_dushenski bbl
1533838;1472859803;shinohai;http://archive.is/Af8zl   <<< should we add this to wp-mp mircea_popescu ?
1533839;1472861143;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Even hobbyist carpenters don't use nails
1533840;1472861440;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/1jsj
1533841;1472861632;BingoBoingo;ty
1533842;1472861824;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/california-plans-anti-cattle-legislation/ << Qntra - California Plans Anti-Cattle Legislation
1533843;1472865201;mod6;$up Bugpowder
1533844;1472865202;deedbot;Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
1533845;1472865219;Bugpowder;MOOOONEROOOOOO
1533846;1472865228;mod6;werd up
1533847;1472865286;Bugpowder;its been a good week.  why not qntra article on how monero is not the one true bitcoin yet?
1533848;1472865339;Bugpowder;Is trilema consensus that monero has some potential value in its feature set?
1533849;1472865372;mod6;uh. i doubt it. can't speak for other tho.
1533850;1472865396;mod6;wtf is monero?
1533851;1472865396;Bugpowder;yeah I doubt it too…
1533852;1472865408;shinohai;As asciilifeform says, I see nothing in monero even worth stealing
1533853;1472865462;mircea_popescu;shinohai but why ?
1533854;1472865464;Bugpowder;a cryptonote fork that provides user selectable transaction privacy, from public (like bitcoin) to fully private (only sender and recipient know) using ring encryption.
1533855;1472865501;mod6;ah, i saw something about that. it said: DRUG DEALERS LOVE THIS!
1533856;1472865501;Bugpowder;Alphabay and Oasis annouced support and the price went nuts
1533857;1472865520;Bugpowder;Although if you look on the sites, only 10% of vendors accept it.
1533858;1472865528;mircea_popescu;$s monero
1533859;1472865529;a111;129 results for "monero", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=monero
1533860;1472865534;mircea_popescu;the logs be your friendz
1533861;1472865563;mod6;ah, werd
1533862;1472865564;Bugpowder;and if every transaction from supporting vendors was paid with XMR, still only looking at $20,000 / day.
1533863;1472865584;shinohai;Nothing stands out to me as special about, has blockchain bloat, I'd rather use Bitcoin to buy drugs.
1533864;1472865588;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:114/to:114#114 << the downside being that hair protects them from rub burns
1533865;1472865661;Bugpowder;so price is not supported by fundamental use levels now. BUT, you know how price works in this space.  Every alt is a tech stock valued on hype and growth potential.  And hype is pretty high right now.
1533866;1472865668;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:119/to:119#119 << as opposed to anything else whatsoever happening, right ? like, if a girl walks up to them and says hi. or if there's an angry mob. or whatever else.
1533867;1472865719;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder seems it has some chance to become the next usg-sponsored wanna-be bitcoin thingee. that's usually good for a ride, fed still has a lot of printolade to spread around.
1533868;1472865746;mod6;for now, ya
1533869;1472865748;mircea_popescu;though it'd seem they've learned their etherape lesson and are much more conservative on the fiat side. prolly will be more like doge than ethereum. anyway.
1533870;1472865769;Bugpowder;doge and ether never got traction in DNMs.
1533871;1472865822;mircea_popescu;you are aware that "dnm"s are entirely a puppet show by now, yes ?
1533872;1472865822;shinohai;Why would you use ETH in a darknet market? Just huff the shit and call it a day.
1533873;1472865844;Bugpowder;I think its privacy features address some serious potential issues that Bitcoin has with fungability and anon unmasking thorough chain analysis.
1533874;1472865935;Bugpowder;Really.  A puppet show?  Is AlphaBay an FBI honeypot?   A “Playpen” for drug users?
1533875;1472866533;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder looky : the original "dnm", ie silk road, never made any economic sense. and then went away. FOR THIS REASON. the subsequent attempts to enact this as a thing, including coming up with bullshit three letter acronyms, were strictly exercises in http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160902/from:404/to:404#404
1533876;1472866591;mircea_popescu;but whatever, i'm sure the derps involved think themselves finger-tenting lever clever for it.
1533877;1472866616;mircea_popescu;level*
1533878;1472866622;mircea_popescu;holy shit im becoming chinese.
1533879;1472866702;mod6;haha
1533880;1472866724;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqhtnzPLK41r24u1yo1_500.gif << saw this, thought of you.
1533881;1472866772;mod6;Thanks, Sir.  I like it!
1533882;1472866777;Bugpowder;Right, The Playpen operation.  But there are so many DNMs, no way they are all honeypots.  Now, some may be usgov inflitrated, tor may be usgov compromised, but I don’t think DNMs are driven by usgov.
1533883;1472866798;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder sure, and there are so many bitcoin faucets, no way they're all trojan downloaders.
1533884;1472866811;mircea_popescu;of course not. except if they grow big. because what are you going to do, the model doesn't work.
1533885;1472866871;mircea_popescu;in the absence of economic drivers, there will either be a political driver or no movement. which leaves us with the simple explanation. i don't gotta prove that every single individual woman thought of dick up her ass every time she spent too much money on cosmetics.
1533886;1472866879;mircea_popescu;"it just makes her feel ... good. for... herself." surely.
1533887;1472866914;Bugpowder;DNMs provide a service to clients, make money for vendors and the host.  The risks are assymetric to the reward, but so is swallowing 50 condoms of blow and flying into the US.  Plenty of people’s life circumstances make the reward calculus more appealing than you or I might find.
1533888;1472867005;mircea_popescu;in principle this can be said about anything just as well ; whether that anything exists or doesn't.
1533889;1472867022;mircea_popescu;$up Bugpowder
1533890;1472867022;deedbot;Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
1533891;1472867027;mircea_popescu;voice yourself would you.
1533892;1472867040;Bugpowder;In turn, Monero has potential to fix a weak point in DNM function, which potentially provides significant value.  Now, whether the tech geniuses that order on DNMs or vendors have the savvy to implement properly and with enough volume to make economic sense is another matter.
1533893;1472867068;mircea_popescu;it's altogether unclear it fixes anything ; the controlling discussion re that is alf's smoke grenade.
1533894;1472867086;mircea_popescu;but if you understand this ring signature thing past the buzzword level, feel free to introduce it rigurously and prove that claim.
1533895;1472867244;Bugpowder;I haven’t invested enough time to understand and technically defend it.  But I know people who are true professional on the subject (pre-Bitcoin “professionalization”) and will solicit their expertise on the current state and on RingCT.
1533896;1472867305;mircea_popescu;and this doesn't worry you ?
1533897;1472867335;Bugpowder;As for the controlling issue, coopting of the project is certainly a major risk moving forward, but I do think you have too much confidence in the sophistication and coordinatino of usgov.
1533898;1472867384;mircea_popescu;anyway, the allegation is that the "privacy" offered is very heavily time bound ; that it naturally dissipates over time ; and that after a sufficient interval - say a year - one can rely on any and all transaction being no longer at all private. this means that the monero ring signature is in fact an anti-feature : it makes the superficial user (who either foolishly doesn't invest the time ; or otherwise lacks the capacity a
1533899;1472867384;mircea_popescu;ltogether) to detrimentally rely on a property that is temporary when he needs it to be permanent.
1533900;1472867392;mircea_popescu;you know, a little like the adjustable arm mortgages.
1533901;1472867454;Bugpowder;It does worry me, but I put that into the known unknowns category of risks.  And pricing risk adjusted EV, still makes sense for me to hold a signifcant crypto fraction in XMR as printer of new bitcoin. It’s harder these days to print BTC without MPOE-bot.
1533902;1472867482;mircea_popescu;which is why i said http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:177/to:177#177
1533903;1472867569;Bugpowder;So are you just chilling in Argentina on the spoils now… or do you have some new business/profit schemes?
1533904;1472867588;mircea_popescu;it's always been a mix of both.
1533905;1472867707;Bugpowder;well, let me know when the next interesting opportunity arises.
1533906;1472867721;mircea_popescu;hey, eulora is taking noobs.
1533907;1472867896;Bugpowder;u know i don’t got time fo that!
1533908;1472867924;mircea_popescu;well...
1533909;1472867942;Bugpowder;Alternatively, a mediterrainian Yacht party would be dope..
1533910;1472867956;mircea_popescu;you bringin' the girls ?
1533911;1472867968;mircea_popescu;"This faucet has A LOT of options. Since I don’t have time to write them all down I created a video explaining everything you need to know about the faucet" << this somehow made sense, to someone.
1533912;1472867982;Bugpowder;heheheh don’t they come with the boat?
1533913;1472867988;mircea_popescu;ok, so you bring the boat ?
1533914;1472868013;Bugpowder;Renting one might be possible.
1533915;1472868028;mircea_popescu;right.
1533916;1472868034;Bugpowder;getting the wife to agree…  harder.
1533917;1472868051;mircea_popescu;o hey, how's that going ?
1533918;1472868158;Bugpowder;life good.  she forgave me for Just Dice accident.  2 kids now.  They are running around outside now…  Just need to secure long term funding for work and I’m probably set.
1533919;1472868192;mircea_popescu;still in that biochem thing ? what was it, neurotransmitters ?
1533920;1472868284;Bugpowder;Something like that…  neural circuits.
1533921;1472868345;mircea_popescu;a right.
1533922;1472868371;mircea_popescu;anyway, dun too easily dismiss eulora. unlike whatever-dice, it's actually for smart people.
1533923;1472868416;Bugpowder;OK OK. when grant writing is done, I will check it out.  Is it like huntercoin?  Too bad the dev for that died.
1533924;1472868425;mircea_popescu;he died ?!
1533925;1472868443;mircea_popescu;but no, it's bitcoin-mmo. and after a year+, playerbase has not yet the slightest clue re mechanics involved.
1533926;1472868517;mircea_popescu;statistics is hard, turns out. especially when god hates your guts.
1533927;1472868543;Bugpowder;I think he died and the project stalled.  But my news is a year out of date. Haven’t been paying attention until ETH/ETC… and there is just tooo much stuff in the ecosystem to keep track of these days.
1533928;1472868580;mircea_popescu;chet (original cto) also passed this spring.
1533929;1472868596;mircea_popescu;apparently games are bad for health.
1533930;1472868614;mod6;:[
1533931;1472868700;Bugpowder;My thesis advisor also died this week. 64. Smartest guy I’ve met.
1533932;1472868736;mircea_popescu;kinda young huh
1533933;1472868783;Bugpowder;yeah he had a bad stroke a few years ago.  Mostly recovered, but may have hit him again on a bike ride.
1533934;1472868799;Bugpowder;http://www.nature.com/news/roger-tsien-s-legacy-the-creations-that-lit-up-biology-1.20532
1533935;1472868805;mircea_popescu;ah
1533936;1472869558;mircea_popescu;and in other news, saliva! http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llmjgkPaeE1qeox3uo1_1280.jpg
1533937;1472869622;mod6;looks ready
1533938;1472874047;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1533882 << is it a difficult concept that THERE IS NO SUCH THING as 'DNM', because there is no such thing as DN !?
1533939;1472874047;a111;Logged on 2016-09-03 01:39 Bugpowder: Right, The Playpen operation.  But there are so many DNMs, no way they are all honeypots.  Now, some may be usgov inflitrated, tor may be usgov compromised, but I don’t think DNMs are driven by usgov.
1533940;1472874053;asciilifeform;there are no 'darknets'
1533941;1472874060;asciilifeform;it is not a thing.
1533942;1472874084;asciilifeform;and any chain of logic predicated on it being a thing, leads to ignominious usg captivity and arse waltz.
1533943;1472874094;asciilifeform;at best.
1533944;1472874137;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1533894 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1532069
1533945;1472874137;a111;Logged on 2016-09-03 01:44 mircea_popescu: but if you understand this ring signature thing past the buzzword level, feel free to introduce it rigurously and prove that claim.
1533946;1472874137;a111;Logged on 2016-08-30 17:29 asciilifeform: davout: 'ring signatures' are not the promised 'invisibility cloak', but more of a smoke grenade.
1533947;1472874161;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1533893 << ah lel, we have it already.
1533948;1472874161;a111;Logged on 2016-09-03 01:44 mircea_popescu: it's altogether unclear it fixes anything ; the controlling discussion re that is alf's smoke grenade.
1533949;1472874228;asciilifeform;the ~approach~ i am seeing among monerists - 'it's a black box, i'ma assume it does the claimed magic' is also concerning.
1533950;1472874259;asciilifeform;how many of the 'privacy!1111' fanbois took the time to understand the algo ?
1533951;1472874262;asciilifeform;it isn't complicated.
1533952;1472874345;asciilifeform;depressingly familiar mass delusion (quite like, e.g., the tor thing.)
1533953;1472875571;mircea_popescu;ain't nobody got time for that.
1533954;1472875595;mircea_popescu;it's a shockingly common complaint, this. you'd wonder wtf they do with all the time they're saving.
1533955;1472893511;jurov;oh, someone pumping xmr?
1533956;1472893617;jurov;btw, aside from above problems, i tried it and it has much worse node problem than btc
1533957;1472893636;jurov;it needs so much iops that it barely keeps up with network even with ssd
1533958;1472900594;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533515 << Musk was making the rounds this week. He was on Colbert's Late Night show apologizing for booms. Perhaps he should stop working 120 hour weeks and maybe get some sleep?
1533959;1472900594;a111;Logged on 2016-09-02 04:32 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/09/musk-rocket-goes-boom-destroying-zuckerberg-satellite/ << Qntra - Musk Rocket Goes Boom Destroying Zuckerberg Satellite
1533960;1472907880;mircea_popescu;jurov well, bugpowder. looking for good investments to finance horrible investments. just like usg finance generally!
1533961;1472907944;mircea_popescu;in other news, i'm now getting spam which goes "Dear Influential Individual," for a salutation.
1533962;1472908035;BingoBoingo;Sweet
1533963;1472908098;mircea_popescu;i guess "person" is out.
1533964;1472908234;BingoBoingo;Mebbe?
1533965;1472908482;mircea_popescu;$key rowtan
1533966;1472908485;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5b28858f-3079-4f35-9925-8a1e054e3225/
1533967;1472908635;mircea_popescu;$key <kunickis>
1533968;1472908639;mircea_popescu;$key kunickis
1533969;1472908646;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b1a00e75-ecc7-4d03-abf9-5ed8eef0282a/
1533970;1472909130;mircea_popescu;here's one for you asciilifeform : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-09-03.log.html#t13:21:05
1533971;1472909152;mircea_popescu;whole convo is straight out from the insane asylum. "gotta take care of your things" "oh ok i'll give them to google then"
1533972;1472909212;diana_coman;that online decryption site is anyway cherry on top; had no idea such a thing exists even: give us your private key and we'll decrypt things for you...
1533973;1472909258;mircea_popescu;unde face nicu' armata ? la sovata!
1533974;1472909308;mircea_popescu;(for the non-ro elements : romania had a designated place for fertility treatments, sovata. it had some birthing pools, and a wide selection of not-your-husband's dicks to choose from. because yes, most of the time that's the problem.)
1533975;1472909330;BingoBoingo;Aha
1533976;1472909539;BingoBoingo;$up t2yax
1533977;1472909539;deedbot;t2yax voiced for 30 minutes.
1533978;1472909732;BingoBoingo;$up boolcrap
1533979;1472909732;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1533980;1472910469;mircea_popescu;$key t2max
1533981;1472910498;BingoBoingo;brb
1533982;1472910551;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1533983;1472910561;BingoBoingo;$up t2max
1533984;1472910561;deedbot;t2max voiced for 30 minutes.
1533985;1472910650;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1533970 << hey we already had 'keybase'...
1533986;1472910650;a111;Logged on 2016-09-03 13:25 mircea_popescu: here's one for you asciilifeform : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-09-03.log.html#t13:21:05
1533987;1472910677;mircea_popescu;this asks for the privkey and pw.
1533988;1472910682;mircea_popescu;IT IS EASIER
1533989;1472910761;asciilifeform;eh, here chump must generate key somewhere..
1533990;1472910814;mircea_popescu;$key t2yax
1533991;1472910831;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a97ba407-f0e9-4a54-aefb-ea1705f66015/
1533992;1472910994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hm, i guess in context it's not really as shocking as it seemed
1533993;1472911282;asciilifeform;btw,
1533994;1472911288;asciilifeform;$s igolder
1533995;1472911288;a111;7 results for "igolder", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=igolder
1533996;1472911324;asciilifeform;^ one of the stars of the 'braindamaged keygen' zoo also
1533997;1472911349;mircea_popescu;heh
1533998;1472911385;shinohai;Funny enough, igolder hasn't existed as a "company" for quite some time.
1533999;1472911393;diana_coman;asciilifeform, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532957 wanted to say it worked great, thank you very much
1534000;1472911393;a111;Logged on 2016-09-01 14:34 asciilifeform: ;;later tell diana_coman http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-01#1532900 << yes, there is a magical recipe, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << thread.
1534001;1472911413;asciilifeform;diana_coman: np
1534002;1472911445;shinohai;"Since August 1st, 2013 iGolder is no longer accepting new accounts and balances can only be redeemed."   <<< 'nuff said
1534003;1472914824;asciilifeform;'Since iGolder has a central point of failure (our server may be raided by thugs wearing some kind of uniform), we feet it is safer for us to cease operations. The iGolder experiment has been personally rewarding as we met many gold enthusiasts and also learned about Bitcoin in the process. For those who have no idea what Bitcoin is, we recommend doing your own research. Bitcoin is far superior to iGolder in every way, both in privac
1534004;1472914824;asciilifeform;y and security as our server is always vulnerable to confiscation. ...'
1534005;1472914836;asciilifeform;but the best part,
1534006;1472914847;asciilifeform;'...To learn more about the Bitcoin protocol and its feature, please watch "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4L7xDNCmA (Bitcoin 2012 London: Mike Hearn).'
1534007;1472914880;mircea_popescu;at least they admit.
1534008;1472914891;mircea_popescu;which is a rare trait in "independent" cowsies.
1534009;1472915048;asciilifeform;https://www.igolder.com/kyc << incredibly lulzy attempt to spin the compliance with usgism as a 'voluntary' and 'freedom-enabling' act
1534010;1472915140;mircea_popescu;what "modern democracy" is built upon.
1534011;1472916369;mircea_popescu;$rate mihi
1534012;1472916369;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1534013;1472916373;mircea_popescu;$rate mihi 1 Euloran
1534014;1472916380;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7eadb99f-0be3-42a6-a597-c67936abf2c7/
1534015;1472916386;mircea_popescu;$rate VAodminnTer 1 Euloran
1534016;1472916392;mircea_popescu;$rate Robespierre_ 1 Euloran
1534017;1472916393;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/12e587ac-c7e9-448d-af5e-0cd05248037d/
1534018;1472916398;mircea_popescu;$rate sellbtctraderz 1 Euloran
1534019;1472916399;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/eb9204de-845f-43b9-b502-a9261d0d8eed/
1534020;1472916400;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/785fd87e-b07b-4297-be1d-18368fc01de5/
1534021;1472916421;mircea_popescu;$v 50518B983CB759FFE4AF4583F4515FB32B7CC1FC12AA470C29A0F785C62E51F0
1534022;1472916421;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated mihi 1 << Euloran
1534023;1472916444;mircea_popescu;$v A5A790A0F14D576EC34DE654E9DA71AF7228D7C60C02A75B58AF4EAB84C3DD9B
1534024;1472916444;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated VAodminnTer 1 << Euloran
1534025;1472916462;mircea_popescu;$v B213C82336A1D627095F969AEB098750520DDFEC3BE788AFA82CE30755D0F0B8
1534026;1472916463;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated Robespierre_ 1 << Euloran
1534027;1472916480;mircea_popescu;$v 34DC93A70982C1CFB69940607F76969F9CC90CCDDB1B3A446EEE3B5C36A2A8A8
1534028;1472916480;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated sellbtctraderz 1 << Euloran
1534029;1472917497;mircea_popescu;$up roby_z
1534030;1472917497;deedbot;roby_z voiced for 30 minutes.
1534031;1472918452;roby_z;hello mircea_popescu my brother told me about eulora, i'm trying to enter the wot
1534032;1472918549;mircea_popescu;got a pgp key ?
1534033;1472918587;roby_z;yes, deedbot said my fingerprint is registered
1534034;1472918593;mircea_popescu;$key roby_z
1534035;1472918596;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/9f794221-4e70-4764-be03-f6470e663b3c/
1534036;1472918607;mircea_popescu;one second.
1534037;1472918735;mircea_popescu;roby_z http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7a241d1e-02e2-4185-a58a-246a2cbc4772/
1534038;1472921054;mircea_popescu;in other utter lulz, argentine bank (banco ciudad) takes out half page ad on the back of the main newspaper here to advertise how "tus proyectos no tienen fronteras", because the chief whore started with "proyectos" and now everyone's fixated on that word. the deal they offer ? 36 month loans, libor +5% (no less than 6%) for "grandes empresas" ie, "google's list of sites that we pretend are relevant to all searches" implement
1534039;1472921055;mircea_popescu;ed locally ; and libor +6% (no less than 7%) for "cartera general". in dolars, OF COURSE.
1534040;1472921083;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is going to take credit in dollars in a foreign market, and pay 100x the interest rate ? pretenders, that's who.
1534041;1472921111;mircea_popescu;the state-run bullshits that pretend to be banks are exactly selecting for random idiots who pretend to be entrepreneurs.
1534042;1472921140;mircea_popescu;together, they just want to nobody could have predicted!
1534043;1472921798;mod6;lol. +5%. go jump in a lake.
1534044;1472921865;mod6;pretenders, quite.
1534045;1472922010;mircea_popescu;meanwhile eurozone wants to charge negative rates.
1534046;1472922043;mircea_popescu;somehow though, businessmen are supposed to go "oh, hey, neat, you pay negative interest to depositors, i'll just continue to pay you 5-10%, why not"
1534047;1472922054;mircea_popescu;because what, someone cancelled the "bitch, be happy if i take your money for free" ?
1534048;1472922074;mod6;lol, apparently so.
1534049;1472922097;mircea_popescu;"i don't want your money ; and certainly don't NEED it" "but mp! GOVERNMENT COMPLIANCE COSTS!!!!" "Fuck you."
1534050;1472922126;mircea_popescu;what, that's the plan here, seriously ? someone needs to go back to drawing board.
1534051;1472924713;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1534042 <<< win
1534052;1472924713;a111;Logged on 2016-09-03 16:45 mircea_popescu: together, they just want to nobody could have predicted!
1534053;1472924721;mircea_popescu;heh
1534054;1472924727;mircea_popescu;how's mauritius treatin ya ?
1534055;1472924849;davout;pretty good, back to france for the week end
1534056;1472924859;davout;(in la réunion)
1534057;1472924908;davout;most expensive flight per kilometer apparently this MUR -> RUN
1534058;1472924939;davout;"this is your captain speaking, we've now reached our cruise level and- oh wait, we just started our descent"
1534059;1472924978;mircea_popescu;lol
1534060;1472925262;shinohai;tfw your shitty eth clone gets replay attacked twice in < 1 month and you say "fuck it!" and switch to PoS.
1534061;1472925288;davout;aren't they all shitty clones of one another?
1534062;1472925305;shinohai;Pretty much.
1534063;1472929966;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1534046 << sooo as i understand, euro depositors are in full mtgox mode?? ('we'd love to withdraw everything, but then the mousetrap will shut')
1534064;1472929966;a111;Logged on 2016-09-03 17:00 mircea_popescu: somehow though, businessmen are supposed to go "oh, hey, neat, you pay negative interest to depositors, i'll just continue to pay you 5-10%, why not"
1534065;1472929998;mircea_popescu;yep
1534066;1472930050;mircea_popescu;there's no practical use for all this hallucinated "capital" that these alleged depositors own.
1534067;1472930065;mircea_popescu;capital means something, and that someting ain't "i feel this'd be fair"
1534068;1472930077;asciilifeform;well, there ~is~ the usual ~impractical~ use
1534069;1472930090;asciilifeform;(maintaining delusions of pension for millions of office plankton, etc)
1534070;1472930102;mircea_popescu;but im sure they'll find some jews to blame. as per sop.
1534071;1472930339;asciilifeform;in less-newsy news, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/motor_test.jpg .
1534072;1472930569;mircea_popescu;motor!
1534073;1472930581;asciilifeform;aha
1534074;1472930584;mircea_popescu;what does the motor do ?
1534075;1472930590;asciilifeform;fat little buggers, around 2kg each
1534076;1472930604;asciilifeform;right now they're just playing 'music'
1534077;1472930612;mircea_popescu;heh
1534078;1472930628;asciilifeform;thing they're attached to is supposed to supply up to 800w peak without burping.
1534079;1472931039;asciilifeform;( http://www.loper-os.org/pub/motor_control.jpg << contents of tool )
1534080;1472931214;mircea_popescu;is this all in preparation for s.nsa report ? :D
1534081;1472931258;asciilifeform;nope, but the latter is coming up later tonight.
1534082;1472931284;asciilifeform;photo is just a household item similar to mircea_popescu's cakes.
1534083;1472931304;mircea_popescu;different households eh.
1534084;1472931312;asciilifeform;hey i had a cake also but ate it
1534085;1472931315;asciilifeform;so no photo.
1534086;1472931342;asciilifeform;fresh peaches.
1534087;1472931449;mircea_popescu;you had a cake but you ated it ?
1534088;1472931481;asciilifeform;aha.
1534089;1472936406;asciilifeform;$up ethereumhunter
1534090;1472936406;deedbot;ethereumhunter voiced for 30 minutes.
1534091;1472940261;mircea_popescu;$up ethereumhunter
1534092;1472940261;deedbot;ethereumhunter voiced for 30 minutes.
1534093;1472940296;mircea_popescu;mod6 here's something to blow your mind : noob kid in eulora dug up an ord sr claim of mine ; got 65k sr. he's dragging it to town, 1k at a time. he's calculated it'll take him ~4 hours.
1534094;1472940447;mircea_popescu;$key ethereumhunter
1534095;1472940454;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2ff08b46-9e9b-4487-97f7-11b6dd2a8158/
1534096;1472941015;mircea_popescu;and in other "bitcoin makes the world a better place" news, https://dtmf.io/faq
1534097;1472941204;diana_coman;$rate shinohai 1 Held many euloran noob hands.
1534098;1472941205;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/80c08cb1-a4ab-4964-ba41-0b8e03072e46/
1534099;1472941281;mircea_popescu;yeah september is shaping up to be attendance record for eulora.
1534100;1472941287;diana_coman;$rated shinohai
1534101;1472941287;deedbot;diana_coman rated shinohai 1 at 2016/09/03 22:20:37 << Held many euloran noob hands.
1534102;1472941296;diana_coman;quite curious what comes out of it
1534103;1472941321;shinohai;ty diana_coman
1534104;1472941361;diana_coman;well deserved shinohai
1534105;1472946447;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw i think i got a queued qntra comment
1534106;1472948341;BingoBoingo;will excavate
1534107;1472948605;BingoBoingo;Not http://qntra.net/2016/09/musk-rocket-goes-boom-destroying-zuckerberg-satellite/#comment-69086 ???
1534108;1472948657;BingoBoingo;AHA FOUND! http://qntra.net/2016/09/california-plans-anti-cattle-legislation/#comment-69142
1534109;1472949287;shinohai;But mircea_popescu, science has brought us steaks made of recycled shit!
1534110;1472949437;BingoBoingo;AHA, Moo-shrooms!
1534111;1472950450;mircea_popescu;lol
1534112;1472954905;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1534113;1472954907;gribble;Current Blocks: 428169 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 1238 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 17 hours, 57 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1534114;1472955223;mircea_popescu;what did it anyway ? not like it had any links
1534115;1472955441;BingoBoingo;Unsure. Probably the " : " convention. That or wordpress is a piece of shit.
1534116;1472956747;mircea_popescu;okies
1534117;1472956802;BingoBoingo;Could still be cookie confused over the time you linked a tumblr.com link and successfully posted numerous comments afterwards.
1534118;1472956845;mircea_popescu;heh
1534119;1472956860;BingoBoingo;Wordpress is not a deterministic system.
1534120;1472959343;BingoBoingo;;;later tell covertress http://qntra.net/2016/09/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-4-tmr/ << Oh a second mention
1534121;1472959343;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1534122;1472959446;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-4-tmr/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 4 (TM)(R)
1534123;1472961712;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 here's something to blow your mind : noob kid in eulora dug up an ord sr claim of mine ; got 65k sr. he's dragging it to town, 1k at a time. he's calculated it'll take him ~4 hours. << that's an awesome jackpot though!
1534124;1472961746;mod6;yeah might take some time to get it into storage, but same thing if you got 65 tons of quarters from a slot machine.
1534125;1472961905;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/08bf32a1-9a94-439c-bf1e-186dbbbe9258/?raw=true
1534126;1472961905;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1534127;1472968791;ben_vulpes;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0cdd986e-6ee0-4067-923c-5a4ca2f0c52b/?raw=true << if anyone on mp-wp wants 403s in their http webserver logs when login failures occur
1534128;1472968848;ben_vulpes;no original work there, just a consolidation of knowledge floating around. mostly for those allergic to php and wwwtronium
1534129;1472987508;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/#comment-118795 << that you or did someone scrape your site ?
1534130;1472990354;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/ << Trilema - There is no difference between "the Byzantine generals problem" and "the prisoner dilemma"
1534131;1472990482;mircea_popescu;incidentally, is this a novel observation ? or anyone know of preexisting literature ?
1534132;1472990801;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo <p><a href="http://Sorry for your loss">Sorry for your loss.</a></p> ?
1534133;1472992940;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1534134;1472993646;mircea_popescu;-spb- [Global Notice] I'll be shutting services down in around ten minutes, for (hopefully) around ten minutes. If you'd like to grab ops in your channels just in case, now is the time to do it. Apologies for the inconvenience! << which opens the eternal dilemma - "is this going to be permanent and i'ma regret not opping ?"
1534135;1472995602;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : mysql admits default value = now for data type timestamp ; but not for data type datetime.
1534136;1472995623;mircea_popescu;oh and of course, ONLY ONE OF THESE per table. because reasons.
1534137;1473001998;shinohai;mircea_popescu: check out this lulzy scam attempt < 2 hrs after bidding: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ce8ba9a4-19d6-4efe-8428-f6782103e136/
1534138;1473006001;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-04#1534131 << http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118805
1534139;1473006001;a111;Logged on 2016-09-04 12:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally, is this a novel observation ? or anyone know of preexisting literature ?
1534140;1473006428;mircea_popescu;shinohai apparently this is a thing yea
1534141;1473006473;shinohai;Even went through all of the trouble to make green bb code to look trusted
1534142;1473006476;shinohai;lol
1534143;1473006566;mircea_popescu;weird that they don;t just ban the name
1534144;1473006835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118807 (queued)
1534145;1473006904;asciilifeform;( http://www.drdobbs.com/article/print?articleId=206904396&siteSectionName=cpp redirects to the spamolade version , vs the 'printable' clean one, when refer header isn't equal to the spamolade page. very frustrating , and workaround would be good addition imho to archive.is )
1534146;1473006996;asciilifeform;http://marknelson.us/2007/07/23/byzantine << different intro, for n00bz
1534147;1473007131;mircea_popescu;you're seriously linking me to a derpy mfa statement of the problem ? what is this!
1534148;1473007142;asciilifeform;well i could link to the original lamport
1534149;1473007147;asciilifeform;but it doesn't exist other than as pdf.
1534150;1473007161;asciilifeform;(which is lulzy because it is a, what, 1980 paper, pre-dates pdf)
1534151;1473007165;mircea_popescu;aha.
1534152;1473007165;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118809 << anyway.
1534153;1473007169;mircea_popescu;decruft, put on site i guess.
1534154;1473008024;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/byz/byz.html << 3111111117 w4r3z
1534155;1473008039;mircea_popescu;ima alter your link.
1534156;1473008107;asciilifeform;you can cache whole thing trivially, it's just a buncha jpg.
1534157;1473008195;mircea_popescu;no i mean, i replaced the drdobbs w/e that is
1534158;1473008288;asciilifeform;aite.
1534159;1473008470;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118811 << thing has 0 to do with socialists, communists, fascists, americans, the great zimbabwe, etc. it is wholly about hard limits on gluing ~reliable machine from unreliable components.
1534160;1473008808;mircea_popescu;why not just say so there!
1534161;1473008832;mircea_popescu;you figure people don't read ? more people read that than this. or what, impatient ? i answer within minutes, wut.
1534162;1473008897;asciilifeform;lel
1534163;1473008903;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118813 << moar!111
1534164;1473011719;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-august-2016-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), August 2016 Statement
1534165;1473011792;pete_dushenski;man alive i thought getting older was supposed to suck. but a day after 'hcore spin class' followed by drinking like a fish at a wedding with way too many lawyers and i feel like a million bucks. maybe even two!
1534166;1473011828;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-03#1533864 << so don't have sex on the carpet ?
1534167;1473011828;a111;Logged on 2016-09-03 01:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160903/from:114/to:114#114 << the downside being that hair protects them from rub burns
1534168;1473013971;*;pete_dushenski catches up on trilema debate, can only muster http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-difference-between-the-byzantine-generals-problem-and-the-prisoner-dilemma/#comment-118825
1534169;1473014708;pete_dushenski;;;seen phf
1534170;1473014708;gribble;phf was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <phf> or perhaps digitalocean is just shit
1534171;1473014779;pete_dushenski;guess the move from btcbase to mkj logs is all but complete eh
1534172;1473015750;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/Ehxy9 << airstrip two publicly admitting that it's being outgunned, outmatched, outsmarted, and outmanoeuvred by slanty eyes.
1534173;1473015808;pete_dushenski;started with http://qntra.net/2016/06/china-solidifies-presence-in-airstrip-twos-media/ in a way, or perhaps ended thusly. sorta hard to figure out where the circle ends and where it begins.
1534174;1473015906;pete_dushenski;speaking of qntra and corn, there's nothing sweeter than taber corn this time of year. slather on a little butter and salt and omfg do the angels sing.
1534175;1473016793;diana_coman;$key Nivir
1534176;1473018123;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/USDOL/status/771461587924246528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw << usdol brings the infographic simplicity the minwage debate needed. 'almost all the other presidents raised it so obummer should too! he even promised in 2013!'
1534177;1473018148;pete_dushenski;now they can say the debate was had, obv.
1534178;1473018155;shinohai;$up mtrgt
1534179;1473018155;deedbot;mtrgt voiced for 30 minutes.
1534180;1473018172;*;shinohai waves to pete_dushenski o/
1534181;1473018174;mtrgt;What is this? Got a PM on bitcointalk from someone
1534182;1473018191;shinohai;And you are mtrgt ?
1534183;1473018219;mtrgt;mexicantarget, owner of faucetgame.com, gamefaucet.com, blockfaucet.com, catbitcoin.com, cryptohydrant.com and many more websites. And you are?
1534184;1473018230;shinohai;shinohai
1534185;1473018242;shinohai;I sent you invite on behalf of mircea_popescu
1534186;1473018250;mtrgt;So, what's this chan about? Why were I invited?
1534187;1473018284;shinohai;I think he has some sort of business proposal for you. If you have time to wait I am sure he will be back soon.
1534188;1473018330;mtrgt;yeah, sure, I'll be around
1534189;1473018348;shinohai;Great, thanks for stopping in.
1534190;1473018384;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1534191;1473018390;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 603.41, vol: 5190.05491586 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 607.568, vol: 7084.96221 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 615.82, vol: 7018.27248017 | GDAX BTCUSD last: 614.67, vol: 5156.81935352 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 613.081744, vol: 167294.84610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 611.43, vol: 1210.84433398 | Gemini BTCUSD last: 610.56, vol: 1229.77079309 | OKCoin BTCUSD last: 614.856, vol: (1 more message)
1534192;1473018398;shinohai;;;more
1534193;1473018399;gribble;976378.319 | Volume-weighted last average: 614.50446903
1534194;1473018515;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: my mp-wp is leaking pingbacks
1534195;1473018774;ben_vulpes;i expect to migrate completely monday
1534196;1473019690;*;pete_dushenski waves back at shinohai on the way out for jog. bbl
1534197;1473021026;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz, the city of buenos aires is selling ~500 acres of public property for gentrification projects ; including the all time favourite spot for the local "trabajadores" to "luchando", in front of the casa rosada
1534198;1473021044;shinohai;$up mtrgt
1534199;1473021044;deedbot;mtrgt voiced for 30 minutes.
1534200;1473021055;mircea_popescu;mtrgt ello. you the mexican guy ?
1534201;1473021085;mtrgt;Hello, micrea. Yes, that's me
1534202;1473021124;mircea_popescu;ah. so what can you do and what are you looking for ?
1534203;1473021144;mtrgt;I'm not even sure why I'm here to be honest. I was invited here by a PM on bitcointalk..
1534204;1473021185;mircea_popescu;no, i know. you're here because i ordered a survey of the ... hm... let's say politely bitcent space, and a coupla things popped up. satoshigalaxy, which got an add, and pokemonsomething, i don't recall, which apparently you bought
1534205;1473021205;mircea_popescu;so i asked shinohai who's one of the few republican folk with a tardstalk account to send you a pm.
1534206;1473021205;mtrgt;Let's move to PMs :)
1534207;1473021222;mircea_popescu;mno, can't really do that. what, sikrits ?
1534208;1473021260;mtrgt;First of all, you're rude. Second, my time is valuable. I'm here because I thought there's a business proposal, and I don't talk business in public chatrooms.
1534209;1473021278;mircea_popescu;ah ok. well then i guess that settles that. thanks for dropping by in any case.
1534210;1473021280;mtrgt;Do you have a proposal or shall I stop wasting my time?
1534211;1473021285;mtrgt;Have a good day
1534212;1473021307;*;mircea_popescu likes it when things turn out to be simple.
1534213;1473021314;shinohai;xD
1534214;1473021370;shinohai;Not much entropy in that space.
1534215;1473021488;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl, https://mellowads.com/networkspace/20632723704E ; but that's not half of it : the "mellowads" thing just pulled a runner. so you'd think he has a lot bigger problems than trying to serve the agenda of the empire.
1534216;1473021501;mircea_popescu;yet, there he stands, igualidad por todos y etc.
1534217;1473021559;mircea_popescu;i fear there's a lot of rudeness awaiting in the future of teh trabajadores del mundo ; unbeknownst to them of course and "nobody could have predict"-able.
1534218;1473022297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aaanswer't.
1534219;1473022729;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160904/from:93/to:93#93 << an interesting battle is occuring now in argentina. the chinese are going after the unions. it's a no contest sort of thing, bulldog has found nest of mice in the field ; but im curious how long it'll take them.
1534220;1473022939;shinohai;$up Nivir
1534221;1473022939;deedbot;Nivir voiced for 30 minutes.
1534222;1473022945;shinohai;now try it Nivir
1534223;1473022952;Nivir;== Cannot send to channel
1534224;1473022963;Nivir;$register 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA
1534225;1473022972;deedbot;4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA registered as Nivir.
1534226;1473023142;mircea_popescu;$key Nivir
1534227;1473023150;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8221b681-64bd-4d65-b258-52c02108d3ad/
1534228;1473023290;*;mircea_popescu finds it peculiar that everyone makes the tiniest keys possible.
1534229;1473023350;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: answr'd^2.
1534230;1473023836;asciilifeform;^3.
1534231;1473029653;thestringpuller;shinohai missed out on D*C meetup!
1534232;1473029997;shinohai;I was afraid I might be eaten by fat furries or something thestringpuller
1534233;1473031075;mircea_popescu;but isn't that a ... warm, fuzzy feeling ?
1534234;1473036091;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-04#1534197 << bought any?
1534235;1473036091;a111;Logged on 2016-09-04 20:30 mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, the city of buenos aires is selling ~500 acres of public property for gentrification projects ; including the all time favourite spot for the local "trabajadores" to "luchando", in front of the casa rosada
1534236;1473036201;mircea_popescu;nah.
1534237;1473036413;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why not?
1534238;1473036443;mircea_popescu;what am i, their mother ? let whoever loves them buy early
1534239;1473036464;mircea_popescu;i'll buy when they're on hands and knees ; capable to fit average ripe pear in anus without tearing the fruit.
1534240;1473036539;asciilifeform;lolk
1534241;1473036671;mircea_popescu;o btw, didja see most recent polls ? trump ahead of loser by a point nao.
1534242;1473036705;mircea_popescu;how the fuck idiot woman managed to lose a ten point lead in two weeks is anyone's guess. except, of course, for they who don't need to guess.
1534243;1473036742;shinohai;It's the Russian's fault
1534244;1473036744;shinohai;>.>
1534245;1473036754;mircea_popescu;surely.
1534246;1473036816;mircea_popescu;anyway. some dan quayle level performance from mz clinton.
1534247;1473036977;mircea_popescu;and in other "this is going to be shinohai in a few weeks" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loum6zERIr1qka4tpo1_400.gif
1534248;1473037004;shinohai;I can only hope she brings the hot blond over too
1534249;1473037098;mircea_popescu;she certainly knows the job.
1534250;1473041059;mircea_popescu;oh, and plumbing the washing machine : http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lolje3Jh1f1qe0fxmo1_r1_500.gif
1534251;1473042502;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> speaking of qntra and corn, there's nothing sweeter than taber corn this time of year. slather on a little butter and salt and omfg do the angels sing. << AHA, but that is VERY different from field corn
1534252;1473042629;BingoBoingo;<mtrgt> First of all, you're rude. Second, my time is valuable. I'm here because I thought there's a business proposal, and I don't talk business in public chatrooms.<< AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
1534253;1473042660;mircea_popescu;tis hard to let go.
1534254;1473042746;BingoBoingo;Who knew money made people invisible?
1534255;1473042842;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/gongs/
1534256;1473046378;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/bahamas-g20-landing-brouhaha/ << Qntra - Bahamas G20 Landing Brouhaha
1534257;1473050790;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/04/myntex-a-case-study-in-security-theatre/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Myntex: A case study in security theatre.
1534258;1473053429;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5164
1534259;1473055255;pete_dushenski;"Seriously, Jeremy—this segment of my race is not worthy of succor. I agree with the three passersby that refused to help them. Indeed, I applaud the thug for abiding by the instincts that God instilled in his savage breast!
1534260;1473055267;pete_dushenski;"
1534261;1473055287;pete_dushenski;cold as ice. and delicious as ice cream.
1534262;1473057203;ben_vulpes;in other hurrs: https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/578
1534263;1473061425;thestringpuller;shinohai: nah. every rave had lines of hot chicks in skimpy clothes with tons of beta males around. honestly if mircea_popescu was around he would have stolen some wives for the night.
1534264;1473077277;shinohai;;;later tell mircea_popescu need a quick word on the auction when you arrive today, thx!
1534265;1473077278;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1534266;1473079652;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/pXqvt << "Last week I received an email from a dear student with a serious case of writer’s block. She’s been writing a screenplay for the last four years, and her work is almost finished. To her despair, however, she recently discovered that her very project (idea, locale, plot, and timeframe, all) was made into a film about to be released next month. I’m sure you can feel her frustration and disappo
1534267;1473079653;mircea_popescu;intment, just as I did."
1534268;1473079685;mircea_popescu;no, i fucking can't. pro tip : if your "idea" is made while you're working on it, this means you're a boring, banal schmuck. have better ideas.
1534269;1473079701;mircea_popescu;imagine the sort of tedium these "creative" people come up with.
1534270;1473086976;mircea_popescu;!~late
1534271;1473086977;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "late" is not a valid command.
1534272;1473086979;mircea_popescu;lol
1534273;1473086988;mircea_popescu;!~later tell shinohai nice.
1534274;1473086988;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1534275;1473087011;BingoBoingo;!~ty
1534276;1473087011;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1534277;1473087019;mircea_popescu;ok so dear all : replaced gribble with shinohai's own jhvh1 ; because it is always preferable to have person ion charge here present.
1534278;1473087024;mircea_popescu;feel free to test and complain.
1534279;1473087036;mircea_popescu;you can still use gribble in pm if you prefer, i'm not kicking it.
1534280;1473087040;shinohai;The Bickening: Part Deux
1534281;1473087046;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1534282;1473087048;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 428415 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 9 hours, 26 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1534283;1473087054;mircea_popescu;!~help
1534284;1473087054;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. You may also want to use the 'list' command to list all available plugins and commands.
1534285;1473087060;mircea_popescu;!~help sex
1534286;1473087060;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: There is no command "sex".
1534287;1473087068;Framedragger;;)
1534288;1473087069;Framedragger;nice.
1534289;1473087069;mircea_popescu;!~list
1534290;1473087070;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Admin, Alias, AutoMode, Bible, BitcoinData, Channel, Config, GPG, GPGExt, Google, Later, Listener, Market, MarketMonitor, MarketMonitorTicker, Misc, NickAuth, Owner, Seen, User, and Utilities
1534291;1473087075;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb
1534292;1473087089;Framedragger;that reminds me
1534293;1473087095;mircea_popescu;you got search ? yes ?
1534294;1473087096;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4068.48, vol: 117798.04190000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4068.48
1534295;1473087100;Framedragger;$rate scriba 3 An instance of a bot I wrote and manage. I trust it with log history, but if it becomes sentient and starts asking for money, do beware.
1534296;1473087107;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6c97fd43-421c-41a3-bf05-828dab10ff9c/
1534297;1473087135;mircea_popescu;!~google pisi dot ar
1534298;1473087136;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Pisi dot ar y otras temas. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2016/pisi-dot-ar-y-otras-temas/>; pisi o tar meye ke chodar golpo: <http://yials.gcylq.com/pisi-o-tar-meye-ke-chodar-golpo-183645.html>; koakjon mile masi pisi ke: <http://yials.gcylq.com/koakjon-mile-masi-pisi-ke-125203.html>
1534299;1473087146;Framedragger;$v 60ABEF920DBF55ADD38D19C435A2BB51C6A7AD7313F209F23A85FA91AE103B7B
1534300;1473087146;deedbot;Framedragger rated scriba 3 << An instance of a bot I wrote and manage. I trust it with log history, but if it becomes sentient and starts asking for money, do beware.
1534301;1473087151;mircea_popescu;!~translate micropenis
1534302;1473087153;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (translate <source language> [to] <target language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <source language> into <target language>.
1534303;1473087163;mircea_popescu;!~translate EN to RU micropenis
1534304;1473087164;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: микропенис
1534305;1473087176;shinohai;lel
1534306;1473087178;mircea_popescu;this in particular should be useful.
1534307;1473087208;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/bankrupt-hanjin-desperately-fighting-to-prevent-seizure-of-ships/ << Qntra - Bankrupt Hanjin Desperately Fighting To Prevent Seizure Of Ships
1534308;1473087224;mircea_popescu;!~translate RU to FR 'У меня пропали ракетные установки и лазеры. Даже те 4, которые вчера построил!!! Shocked  Админ ИСПРАВЬТЕ ПОЖАЛУЙСТА...'
1534309;1473087226;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: «Je suis allé lance-roquettes et lasers. 4 Même ceux qui ont construit hier !!! Shocked MEND Administrateur S'IL VOUS PLAÎT ... '
1534310;1473087245;mircea_popescu;close enough.
1534311;1473087287;shinohai;For google haters, ddg search coming soon (tm) (r)
1534312;1473087307;mircea_popescu;there was something else i had on gribble wish list but can'tfucking recall now wtf it was
1534313;1473087320;BingoBoingo;!~bait
1534314;1473087321;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "bait" is not a valid command.
1534315;1473087326;BingoBoingo;^
1534316;1473087329;mircea_popescu;nah. do the porn by hand.
1534317;1473087334;shinohai;got to have lazerkittens too
1534318;1473087345;BingoBoingo;!~roundhouse
1534319;1473087345;jhvh1;And so I called the Roundhouse the Roundhouse
1534320;1473087359;mircea_popescu;shinohai incidentally, if you want to expand, we're still looking for someone to do the btcalpha wot visualizers ever since mike_c disappeared.
1534321;1473087370;mircea_popescu;ahahahah OMG
1534322;1473087381;mircea_popescu;!~he was in heaven
1534323;1473087382;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "he" is not a valid command.
1534324;1473087392;mircea_popescu;!~heaven
1534325;1473087393;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "heaven" is not a valid command.
1534326;1473087401;mircea_popescu;"He was in heaven and I was in hell!"
1534327;1473087461;shinohai;!~heaven
1534328;1473087462;jhvh1;He was in heaven and I was in hell!
1534329;1473087466;mircea_popescu;win.
1534330;1473087496;mircea_popescu;trinque plox to move deedbot to !! command whenever convenient.
1534331;1473087732;mircea_popescu;shinohai alternatively, if you don't feel like gfxing - you can make this into its own V root. or else - you can do a logging extension to it.
1534332;1473087740;mircea_popescu;or for that matter all three lol.
1534333;1473087779;shinohai;I had actually discussed with mod6 doing V-style wot viewer with ascii graphs
1534334;1473087791;shinohai;bot could return simple .html file
1534335;1473087793;mircea_popescu;o hey. pretty cool idea.
1534336;1473087816;mircea_popescu;if svg weren't such bullshit this'd be pretty stupid. but as it is - i actually prefer it. but txt plox not html.
1534337;1473087847;shinohai;works for me
1534338;1473087870;mircea_popescu;oh wait. no, dun work - can't traverse without links.
1534339;1473087873;mircea_popescu;nevermind. html.
1534340;1473087951;mircea_popescu;mod6 guy that started as a tester a year ago is now qualified to the point of check him out huh!
1534341;1473088151;shinohai;ok mircea_popescu you ready for some lulz from theymos?
1534342;1473088167;mircea_popescu;sure.
1534343;1473088181;shinohai;RE: "Sorry, I won't accept your ads. Due to this, I view Mircea Popescu as totally unethical."
1534344;1473088205;BingoBoingo;LOL
1534345;1473088206;mircea_popescu;so good for him, let him advertise derpy "kibo lotto" or w/e the fuck until he falls over.
1534346;1473088224;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/Xl8Ij << How Do Make Thermos?
1534347;1473088256;BingoBoingo;"One father I heard from avoided the word fat at all costs, turning even the Very Hungry Caterpillar from a “big fat” insect to a “great big” one. Another parent said she left the word alone when it was used to describe an animal but would replace it when it was used about a person. Another specifically sought out books where fat was used descriptively and without judgment since she didn’t want her child to think that the word
1534348;1473088256;BingoBoingo;should carry negative connotations."
1534349;1473088265;shinohai;$gettrust theymos
1534350;1473088265;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: -2 by 1 connections.
1534351;1473088444;mircea_popescu;kinda lulzy how wrapped up in their own alt-world teh kids become. mexican whoever "doesn't discuss business" privately. you know, business. because he;'s a businessman. because he says so. meanwhile that hardworking kunicks kid made more money hauling ore by hand the past week than the mexican made dicking around with sites in his entire career.
1534352;1473088486;shinohai;Amazing how economies work.
1534353;1473088640;mircea_popescu;and amazing how much wilful effort it takes to insulate one from 'em.
1534354;1473088989;BingoBoingo;$up Themakat
1534355;1473088989;deedbot;Themakat voiced for 30 minutes.
1534356;1473089095;shinohai;Nice brazzers article BingoBoingo
1534357;1473089098;shinohai;bwahahahaha
1534358;1473089122;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?
1534359;1473089138;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/09/brazzers-hacked-800000-user-records-leaked/
1534360;1473089159;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/brazzers-hacked-800000-user-records-leaked/ << Qntra - Brazzers Hacked, ~800,000 User Records Leaked
1534361;1473089575;mircea_popescu;o lol
1534362;1473089595;mircea_popescu;Following a hack on an online forum run by the pop-pornographers at Brazzers << win.
1534363;1473089742;trinque;mircea_popescu: like so?   !!up trinque
1534364;1473089749;mircea_popescu;yeh
1534365;1473089752;trinque;k
1534366;1473090257;thestringpuller;dam
1534367;1473090288;thestringpuller;Can anyone get me a Grandmaster Flash Pelle Pelle jacket?
1534368;1473090520;shinohai;$rate theymos -1 Thanks for wasting my time and sorry my submission didn't meet you rigorous criteria for scams http://archive.is/NoL2y
1534369;1473090526;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d792dd65-7406-48f2-9c5f-1828e3add50b/
1534370;1473090616;shinohai;$v 24C4B894077A8A358AD5377F6414613D778C9B6225A57B8ACBBDEF4DA2E72AE8
1534371;1473090616;deedbot;shinohai rated theymos -1 << Thanks for wasting my time and sorry my submission didn't meet you rigorous criteria for scams http://archive.is/NoL2y
1534372;1473090832;mircea_popescu;"Roger Verified theymos refuses to advertise Trilema ; tardstalk moderators have to take a 30% pay cut this month."
1534373;1473090857;shinohai;^
1534374;1473090901;*;mircea_popescu suspects this is going to turn into one of those typically maqruardt things where "the auction fees go to pay moderators" if anyone asks, except you know. not really.
1534375;1473090932;trinque;!!google test
1534376;1473090933;jhvh1;trinque: Error: "!google" is not a valid command.
1534377;1473090938;deedbot;http://www.speedtest.net/ << Speedtest.net by Ookla - The Global Broadband Speed Test | https://www.test.com/ << Platform to Create Organizational Testing and Certifications | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test << Test - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1534378;1473090942;mircea_popescu;uhhh
1534379;1473090946;mircea_popescu;shinohai what did you doo!
1534380;1473090951;shinohai;one sec
1534381;1473090993;trinque;alrighty, that's done.
1534382;1473091011;mircea_popescu;nice.
1534383;1473091123;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Pls to submit explanation for to explain publically
1534384;1473091125;BingoBoingo;brb.
1534385;1473091153;trinque;!!help
1534386;1473091153;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1534387;1473091157;trinque;^ updated
1534388;1473091157;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1534389;1473091162;trinque;lolwat
1534390;1473091166;mircea_popescu;^ hola ?
1534391;1473091166;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1534392;1473091170;mircea_popescu;%hurr
1534393;1473091174;mircea_popescu;#hurr
1534394;1473091177;mircea_popescu;$hurr
1534395;1473091178;BingoBoingo;>durr
1534396;1473091187;mircea_popescu;>hurr
1534397;1473091190;mircea_popescu;!hurr
1534398;1473091192;mircea_popescu;!!hurr
1534399;1473091195;mircea_popescu;!~hurr
1534400;1473091195;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "hurr" is not a valid command.
1534401;1473091198;mircea_popescu;win.
1534402;1473091198;trinque;I know what it is
1534403;1473091198;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1534404;1473091200;trinque;one sec
1534405;1473091269;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> win. << Nah, should return "And I called the hurr the hurr" this way all eggogs are handled by "Artificial Elliot"
1534406;1473091281;BingoBoingo;brb
1534407;1473091286;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, wait, you're going to feature me on qntra ? so that i get more traffic than via tardstalk, and for free ? instead of you know, distributing bitcoins in the luzerdom ?
1534408;1473091303;mircea_popescu;THIS HAS BEEN THE WORST POSSIBLE OUTCOME
1534409;1473091314;mircea_popescu;those sly, sly fuckers! oh how it stings!
1534410;1473091314;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, if shinohai submits piece
1534411;1473091316;BingoBoingo;brb
1534412;1473091326;shinohai;hmmmm ....
1534413;1473091347;mircea_popescu;where's that "you can't win" seinfeld scene
1534414;1473091349;shinohai;See but if *you* write article BingoBoingo it won't appear I have bias
1534415;1473091399;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlIMmuMQozc
1534416;1473091403;trinque;I now test whether single character first words choke the bot.
1534417;1473091405;trinque;yay
1534418;1473091417;shinohai;!halp
1534419;1473091422;trinque;!!google seinfeld you can't win
1534420;1473091428;deedbot;http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheRevenge.htm << Seinfeld Scripts - The Revenge | http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/seinfeld-the-ryethe-caddy-61400 << “The Rye”/“The Caddy” · Seinfeld · TV Review Seinfeld: “The Rye ... | http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheStockTip.htm << Seinfeld Scripts - The Stock Tip
1534421;1473091545;mircea_popescu;shinohai what exactly is your bias ? you're making money on this or something ?
1534422;1473091679;mircea_popescu;"i met this asshole on irc and i'm biased because hey, totally, this is a thing, asshole-from-irc bias. you know, just like with relatives, except not."
1534423;1473091772;shinohai;Perhaps you are right, I was worried it may come out sounding biased.
1534424;1473091797;*;shinohai signs up for remedial journalistic ethics class
1534425;1473091798;mircea_popescu;entirely your call, but conceptually i dun see the basis for this bias.
1534426;1473091903;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: do you have any trilema's about girls and daddy issues?
1534427;1473091919;mircea_popescu;i mean, writing for qntra pays shares, but it's by length not by content ; you played auction agent on tardstalk for me for free, at least according to my papers. it's true that i asked you to, but then again it's also true submit box asked you to not exceed 5k chars or w/e. maybe you're biased in favour of it!
1534428;1473091945;mircea_popescu;!~giggle girls and daddy issues
1534429;1473091945;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "giggle" is not a valid command.
1534430;1473091952;mircea_popescu;turns out not thestringpuller !
1534431;1473092035;shinohai;Auction agent was for glory of the republic
1534432;1473092050;mircea_popescu;or greater lulz, as it turns out.
1534433;1473092076;mircea_popescu;FTGG&LOTR. for the great glory & lulz of the republic.
1534434;1473092413;Framedragger;could someone voice scriba temporarily please?
1534435;1473092472;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ^
1534436;1473092478;mircea_popescu;$up scriba
1534437;1473092486;mircea_popescu;lol
1534438;1473092487;mircea_popescu;!!up scriba
1534439;1473092488;deedbot;scriba voiced for 30 minutes.
1534440;1473092492;mircea_popescu;does it need voice ? what does it do ?
1534441;1473092495;Framedragger;testing http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160829/from:3/to:3#3 testing
1534442;1473092495;scriba;[00:23:10] <BingoBoingo> Dd you spray first or cut first? Because if cut first you are doing it wrong.
1534443;1473092501;mircea_popescu;excellent.
1534444;1473092506;Framedragger;it cites log lines. needs to be polished. that's all i wanted to test for now.
1534445;1473092539;Framedragger;i need to take it off because i want to finish reading the main bot's source - don't trust it yet. this will be completed real soon now. (tm)
1534446;1473092544;mircea_popescu;np
1534447;1473092555;mircea_popescu;!~heaven
1534448;1473092555;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "heaven" is not a valid command.
1534449;1473092561;Framedragger;:D
1534450;1473092575;mircea_popescu;scam
1534451;1473092592;*;Framedragger off for beer, back in rainy island. (btw visted edinburgh yesterday - botanic gardens etc - nice town, nice town...)
1534452;1473092608;mircea_popescu;just don't be caught there in november.
1534453;1473092617;Framedragger;hah! weather?
1534454;1473092629;mircea_popescu;myeah, great suicide weather.
1534455;1473092648;Framedragger;word..
1534456;1473092650;Framedragger;right, ttyl.
1534457;1473092711;Framedragger;[oh, and there's an off-by-one error in the bot - ahem. will fix]
1534458;1473092772;shinohai;Ok mircea_popescu I open the tardstalk message in firefox, and this is the reason theymos considers you "unethical" http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/
1534459;1473092782;*;shinohai did not see this link before
1534460;1473092837;mircea_popescu;o hey, the plot thickenz.
1534461;1473092842;thestringpuller;at some point sipa will fake his own death and collect the reward when he goes broke
1534462;1473092873;mircea_popescu;honestly i was just going to add rotation, http://trilema.com/?r=tardstalk
1534463;1473092884;mircea_popescu;maybe make a special one for the tits article, tho whatevs.
1534464;1473092957;mircea_popescu;but anyway - so the guy doesn't like trilema. not a crime.
1534465;1473092986;mircea_popescu;also not much of a qntra story.
1534466;1473093307;shinohai;Oh well, onward and upward
1534467;1473097845;shinohai;!~later tell jurov Can you check and see if I borked my latest order upon your return? thx
1534468;1473097845;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1534469;1473097956;trinque;^ neat
1534470;1473098233;ben_vulpes;standby 5, doing some work on the paster
1534471;1473098427;ben_vulpes;!!up
1534472;1473098429;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/oiv1h/?raw=true
1534473;1473098452;ben_vulpes;!!v 20832135E6975F34517D5DE94717CBDA14E70D2868598A281A9ADC0942EFCC64
1534474;1473098452;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema
1534475;1473098469;ben_vulpes;have at
1534476;1473098509;mircea_popescu;!!key ben_vulpes
1534477;1473098511;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rtm34/?raw=true
1534478;1473098520;mircea_popescu;Nothing found at that URL.
1534479;1473098559;ben_vulpes;dns probably hasn't propagated to you
1534480;1473098570;mircea_popescu;my dns never propagates, remember ?
1534481;1473098582;ben_vulpes;ah
1534482;1473098599;ben_vulpes;216.151.13.77 then
1534483;1473098603;ben_vulpes;huh
1534484;1473098628;mircea_popescu;shinohai would you consider adding something like !~bash curl http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rtm34/?raw=true | cut -d " " -f 3- | head -c 712 ?
1534485;1473098641;mircea_popescu;with the understanding that whosoever fucks up the box gets fined for it.
1534486;1473098731;shinohai;Lemme look into that. shinohai fines can be worse than beheading tho.
1534487;1473098755;mircea_popescu;limit it to l2, if they don't pay they get unl2'd at the very least.
1534488;1473099082;danielpbarron;!~bible matthew 22:21
1534489;1473099083;jhvh1;danielpbarron: [KJV] Matthew 22:21 :: They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
1534490;1473099286;trinque;I should've known, bot with the tetragrammaton as nick...
1534491;1473099337;shinohai;lol, I thought danielpbarron would be offended when it first appeared.
1534492;1473099431;trinque;shinohai: what you mean for evil danielpbarron uses for good
1534493;1473099507;shinohai;I meant no evil though, just a church of subgenius reference to all-seeing jhvh1
1534494;1473099547;*;trinque made a bible joke, will now listen to metal to cleanse his soul
1534495;1473099718;mircea_popescu;in other "harem fun and games", here's a little bit of sport : girl, naked, on her belly, on bed, such that her ass is more or less on the edge. you grab hold of her ankles. if you can't properly hold her ankles, grow better fingers / send the peasants back to farming and start over.
1534496;1473099733;mircea_popescu;now so arranged : her job is to get out of the spot ; and you don't let her.
1534497;1473099748;mircea_popescu;see who gives out first. fucking afterwards optional.
1534498;1473102630;mircea_popescu;!!up GoldBoriska
1534499;1473102630;deedbot;GoldBoriska voiced for 30 minutes.
1534500;1473102675;mircea_popescu;!~bible sjw 6:66
1534501;1473102677;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
1534502;1473102684;mircea_popescu;!~bible 6:66
1534503;1473102685;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
1534504;1473102700;mircea_popescu;!~bible alex 6:66
1534505;1473102701;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
1534506;1473102728;mircea_popescu;!~bible candi 13:37
1534507;1473102729;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
1534508;1473102735;mircea_popescu;i must be doing something wrong
1534509;1473102773;shinohai;lol
1534510;1473102784;mircea_popescu;!~help bible
1534511;1473102785;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (bible [--version akjv|asv|douayrheims|kjv|web|ylt] <passage>) -- Returns text from specified Bible transation matching search parameters. Ex: Job 3:14, Acts 3:17-4:2, Amos 7; Psa 119:4-16, Acts 15:1-5, 10, 15 By default, will consult KJV version. Use --version to utilize a different translation.
1534512;1473102797;mircea_popescu;!~bible KJV 13:37
1534513;1473102798;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
1534514;1473102804;mircea_popescu;!~bible KJV 6:66
1534515;1473102805;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ERROR: Failed to load/parse the verse or page. Check your syntax.
1534516;1473102808;mircea_popescu;fail.
1534517;1473102817;shinohai;!~bible Rev. 21:4
1534518;1473102818;jhvh1;shinohai: [KJV] Revelation 21:4 :: And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
1534519;1473102821;GoldBoriska;hello
1534520;1473102825;mircea_popescu;hola
1534521;1473102849;GoldBoriska;i have wrong when register rpg key
1534522;1473102859;mircea_popescu;do it here let's see
1534523;1473102885;GoldBoriska;why
1534524;1473102887;GoldBoriska;here
1534525;1473102919;mircea_popescu;so we can see what is going wrong.
1534526;1473102978;GoldBoriska;like this Import failed for A28D33C4DDC87533BA1A9EE53DDAB37948261874.
1534527;1473103002;GoldBoriska;it is not my key it is example
1534528;1473103002;mircea_popescu;possibly hasn't propagated yet. try again in half hour.
1534529;1473103006;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-two-boys/ << Trilema - The story of two boys
1534530;1473103044;shinohai;99% of time, they skip the part where you are supposed to upload key to server.
1534531;1473103174;GoldBoriska;how much does mellow ads pay for one pageview
1534532;1473103184;mircea_popescu;incidentally trinque since deedbot is keeping its own set anyway, can there be register pastebin_link as well ?
1534533;1473103220;mircea_popescu;apparently 4 satoshi
1534534;1473103325;trinque;certainly can
1534535;1473103341;mircea_popescu;no need to force people to sks ; not like we're supporting the kochabomination
1534536;1473103578;GoldBoriska;sorry but how much does mellow ads pay for one click
1534537;1473103611;shinohai;!~sks
1534538;1473103611;jhvh1;Go back to sucking off Hanno Bock and leave me alone!
1534539;1473103616;mircea_popescu;apparently 1k satoshi. not that any of this matters - from what i hear they went under. why do you ask GoldBoriska ?
1534540;1473103666;GoldBoriska;i gonna make faucet site
1534541;1473103677;mircea_popescu;lord have mercy.
1534542;1473103679;trinque;lel
1534543;1473103700;GoldBoriska;i am thinking what are the best ads
1534544;1473103759;mircea_popescu;you're wasting your time. do something useful.
1534545;1473103769;GoldBoriska;i heard mellow ads is top best network
1534546;1473103785;GoldBoriska;why waste
1534547;1473103831;mircea_popescu;because "online advertising" is a fucking stupid idea ?
1534548;1473103924;shinohai;Have you made an entire bitcent from these ads yet GoldBoriska ?
1534549;1473103999;GoldBoriska;i havent any ads
1534550;1473104036;mircea_popescu;GoldBoriska do you have any tits ?
1534551;1473104076;shinohai;!~tits
1534552;1473104076;jhvh1;http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
1534553;1473104081;mircea_popescu;haha nice.
1534554;1473104091;GoldBoriska;i have any pennis lol
1534555;1473104115;mircea_popescu;figures.
1534556;1473104121;GoldBoriska;wow fap time
1534557;1473104233;mircea_popescu;!!key Pawkevic
1534558;1473104236;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/61w8n/?raw=true
1534559;1473104259;GoldBoriska;popescu sounds like on my native languge like a pennis lol
1534560;1473104301;mircea_popescu;!~translate RO to RU popescu
1534561;1473104303;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Попеску
1534562;1473104346;GoldBoriska;пиписко
1534563;1473105244;jurov;mircea_popescu: pls to mpex
1534564;1473105255;mircea_popescu;presently.
1534565;1473105544;ben_vulpes;openbsd plot bickens with the inclusion of llvm: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=147294297501630&w=2
1534566;1473106226;mircea_popescu;is this good for gnucoin ?
1534567;1473106331;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 guy that started as a tester a year ago is now qualified to the point of check him out huh! << yeah! pretty helpful over the last year to have a dedicated individual such as shinohai to help specifically test.  and yeah!  seems to be a handy bot mechanic.
1534568;1473106361;mod6;one thing that's pretty nice, is that he seems to be readily available when I've got something to test
1534569;1473106371;mircea_popescu;cool huh.
1534570;1473106380;mod6;results within a day or so, which is very very helpful.
1534571;1473106385;mod6;indeed, Sir.
1534572;1473106407;shinohai;o7 mod6
1534573;1473106423;mod6;:]
1534574;1473106476;trinque;anybody have a real critique of llvm/clang aside "is more clearly written, has API for hooking in tools, and is therefore evil?"
1534575;1473106522;mod6;i think alf has said a number of things about it in the logs.
1534576;1473106537;trinque;I've seen all the threads.
1534577;1473106645;mod6;alf would you be willing to write up a critque/review of llvm/clang in your blog -- something that rounds up the previously stated?
1534578;1473106710;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485758 << this kind of thing.
1534579;1473106710;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:35 asciilifeform: Framedragger: because it is a political instrument of the enemy.
1534580;1473106735;trinque;and RMS is an ally? looks like a communist to me.
1534581;1473106743;mod6;well, this, of course. comes from shitgnomes, et. al.
1534582;1473106801;mod6;maybe i should have said "technical critque".  anyway, he probably doesn't have the time.  i'd hate to distract him from the one big project he's working.
1534583;1473106804;mod6;on
1534584;1473106819;mircea_popescu;trinque i never used it.
1534585;1473106821;mod6;maybe review should be left as an exercise for us all
1534586;1473106893;trinque;seems technically excellent and the only criticism has been "apple made it" of which, nazis made this and that modern medicine, what
1534587;1473106989;mircea_popescu;i think the whole discussion there was moreover political, in the sense of ecosystem struggles.
1534588;1473106989;mod6;that seems more like a condemnation to me.  they make a lot of things that "work". what of it?
1534589;1473107037;mod6;fact remains, i couldn't trust it, any farther than I could throw it.
1534590;1473107047;trinque;and you trust gcc?
1534591;1473107058;mod6;tmsr will probably, eventually, have to write its own translater/compiler.
1534592;1473107078;mod6;<+trinque> and you trust gcc? << lol. f no.
1534593;1473107086;mod6;but better the devil you know...
1534594;1473107103;mircea_popescu;but you don't know it.
1534595;1473107107;mircea_popescu;no one does.
1534596;1473107108;trinque;aha.
1534597;1473107121;trinque;it is undecidable which is better aside having read and understood both
1534598;1473107138;mircea_popescu;well, "better". a comparator being defiend first would also help.
1534599;1473107178;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> but you don't know it. <+mircea_popescu> no one does. << indeed, Sir.
1534600;1473107197;mod6;it's just what we currently are shackled with.  chains will be broken.
1534601;1473107277;trinque;to ben_vulpes link, it does not diminish my regard for openbsd that it is moving towards llvm. considering solely the political aspect, they've previously used their own old (and maintained) fork of gcc.
1534602;1473107308;mod6;not that I'm saying "i'm going to write a tmsr compiler this year."; however, seeing the need for this years ago, having one written by us that we can trust, is a worthwhile project.  i've taken steps in this direction by doing some very much required reading on the subject.
1534603;1473107317;mod6;So again, eventually.
1534604;1473107321;trinque;I would not be surprised if they forked llvm if they ever needed.
1534605;1473107541;mircea_popescu;possibru
1534606;1473107611;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534601  << freebsd did same, and at the same time removed ~all~ entropy from rng. and distributed this crock of shit for year+.
1534607;1473107611;a111;Logged on 2016-09-05 20:27 trinque: to ben_vulpes link, it does not diminish my regard for openbsd that it is moving towards llvm. considering solely the political aspect, they've previously used their own old (and maintained) fork of gcc.
1534608;1473107665;mircea_popescu;and it cost them their head, pretty much
1534609;1473107685;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534586 << ~maintains~ it. for own ends.
1534610;1473107685;a111;Logged on 2016-09-05 20:21 trinque: seems technically excellent and the only criticism has been "apple made it" of which, nazis made this and that modern medicine, what
1534611;1473107693;asciilifeform;understand the difference.
1534612;1473107695;trinque;idiot can injure himself with whatever he wants
1534613;1473107698;trinque;this is not an argument
1534614;1473107738;asciilifeform;llvm is a work of evil and i will actively avoid any project that rests on it.
1534615;1473107744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform his idea is that any software is made of discrete software-states, and if he doesn't like something definite later on he just freezes and forks.
1534616;1473107757;mircea_popescu;how does work rest on the compiler ?
1534617;1473107776;trinque;asciilifeform: also not a damned argument! obviously I cannot reason about "work of evil"!
1534618;1473107781;asciilifeform;aha lel you're gonna freezes it with 0 support for non-x86/arm, and sans ada?
1534619;1473107783;trinque;point isn't "llvm is good"
1534620;1473107785;asciilifeform;have fun
1534621;1473107801;asciilifeform;it is a work of evil, what.
1534622;1473107822;trinque;I would go to church if I wanted to make decisions based on that kind of argument.
1534623;1473107833;mircea_popescu;evil is not actually a theological category.
1534624;1473107834;asciilifeform;we had the thread.
1534625;1473107854;asciilifeform;work on llvm helps hitler more than it helps us.
1534626;1473107879;asciilifeform;i have 0 interest in using or improving facebook, either.
1534627;1473107918;mod6;help africa, give them fb!
1534628;1473107971;trinque;mircea_popescu: "drugs are bad mkay" form of argument I mean.
1534629;1473108004;asciilifeform;the last thread had a quite complete summary of the history.
1534630;1473108018;trinque;asciilifeform: I could as easily say this whole "free software" thing ruined the industry and start from *there*
1534631;1473108040;asciilifeform;trinque: but that's idiotic.
1534632;1473108069;asciilifeform;it was, and remains, the only escape hatch from microshit.
1534633;1473108097;trinque;it may very well have reduced the market price of building software to *below* what could sustain actual software companies
1534634;1473108104;trinque;and in this, GNUshit is an ally of Microshit
1534635;1473108129;asciilifeform;trinque: the market value of programmer was doomed to zero.
1534636;1473108134;asciilifeform;long ago.
1534637;1473108153;mircea_popescu;this much is not so.
1534638;1473108158;asciilifeform;would have happened sooner yet without microshit.
1534639;1473108170;mircea_popescu;observe that even whores manage to extract > 0.
1534640;1473108181;mircea_popescu;it never happened for it to reach 0 ; nor ever will.
1534641;1473108190;asciilifeform;software stays written.
1534642;1473108202;mircea_popescu;and tits stay seen.
1534643;1473108249;mod6;haha
1534644;1473108288;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534602 << i am not convinced that this is possible.
1534645;1473108288;a111;Logged on 2016-09-05 20:28 mod6: not that I'm saying "i'm going to write a tmsr compiler this year."; however, seeing the need for this years ago, having one written by us that we can trust, is a worthwhile project.  i've taken steps in this direction by doing some very much required reading on the subject.
1534646;1473108300;asciilifeform;c++ does not fit in head.
1534647;1473108314;asciilifeform;do you own a copy of the standard? obtain one and see.
1534648;1473108325;mircea_popescu;the problem here (as well as above, with llvm) is that without the strongarm to kill sipa / force obedience from hardware vendors etc, you will never be able to make a compiler that works
1534649;1473108331;mircea_popescu;for a definition of "works" you'd accept today
1534650;1473108339;asciilifeform;this also
1534651;1473108351;mircea_popescu;which is how i interpreted your "freeze it ? pshaw!"
1534652;1473108364;asciilifeform;but i am speaking of fundamental problem with the language.
1534653;1473108374;mircea_popescu;this also.
1534654;1473108393;asciilifeform;and so, the only remaining pill is ~age~
1534655;1473108398;asciilifeform;gcc is old.
1534656;1473108413;mod6;hm.
1534657;1473108414;mircea_popescu;but in this sense, merely writing c code is the sin ; compiling it in the nazi flavour of socialism or in the soviet flavour of socialism, llvm vs gcc, is sort-of like, what flowers to leave on the raped body, roses or tulips.
1534658;1473108430;trinque;very much this.
1534659;1473108483;mod6;This sort of leads us back to the original question: to Ada, or not to Ada.
1534660;1473108489;mircea_popescu;or maybe lisp
1534661;1473108493;mircea_popescu;or maybe who the fuck knows.
1534662;1473108502;asciilifeform;there is no lispm.
1534663;1473108508;mircea_popescu;tgere is no adam either.
1534664;1473108511;asciilifeform;all else has c in the mix.
1534665;1473108513;trinque;coupla forth-a-trons about
1534666;1473108616;mircea_popescu;but the worst part about all this, and the true reason i'm inert on the topic, is this : the situation is evidently unhinged, and changing much faster than the sort of process which is involved in making a software stack, compiler kernel et all.
1534667;1473108629;trinque;asciilifeform: lemme restate that the "stuckness by sheer mass, age, etc" of gcc brings to mind a giant's dead body that, before it decomposes, maybe serves as shelter or warmth
1534668;1473108633;asciilifeform;unhinged?
1534669;1473108639;mod6;i agree mircea_popescu
1534670;1473108640;mircea_popescu;even if i could spend a million engineer hours a second, brought from another galaxy, i would not commit them to making me a sane compiler+kernel by friday.
1534671;1473108648;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE in another three years we'll have to redo it.
1534672;1473108657;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as in, unanchored.
1534673;1473108682;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: without ability to make hardware, we have exercise in polishing brass on the titanic.
1534674;1473108702;mod6;^
1534675;1473108716;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing here, which of course isn't visible from english, because anglopress is made by niggers and retards, and so forth :
1534676;1473108726;asciilifeform;i came to this conclusion years ago. the hard way.
1534677;1473108730;mircea_popescu;chinese world infrastructure is in flux right now, and with humongo changes afoot
1534678;1473108743;mircea_popescu;it's pretty impossible to make predictions of the scale required here.
1534679;1473108763;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i see 0 signs of demicroshitification in china.
1534680;1473108774;asciilifeform;it is as hidebound as ru in that respect.
1534681;1473108782;asciilifeform;'What, abandon warez?!'
1534682;1473108799;mircea_popescu;how would you see anything in china ?
1534683;1473108809;asciilifeform;it leaks into ru sphere
1534684;1473108819;asciilifeform;to limited degree.
1534685;1473108828;mircea_popescu;what the ru understand, leaks. what not, not.
1534686;1473108895;asciilifeform;there is also the fact that making wholly new arch , on new model of computation, is lunacy, of the precise kind that no respectable confucian would contemplate.
1534687;1473108914;mircea_popescu;these are micro considerations.
1534688;1473108921;asciilifeform;maybe in another 500 yrs.
1534689;1473108931;mircea_popescu;the macro problems is that it's not altogether clear which side of what will end up facing where.
1534690;1473108940;mod6;well, they probably don't need a new model of computation.
1534691;1473108947;mod6;they just need to stab "wintel"
1534692;1473108953;asciilifeform;mod6: they love wintel.
1534693;1473108973;mod6;i very much doubt this is their long term strategy.
1534694;1473108977;mircea_popescu;mod6 they actually have multiple discernible alt models. one we even discussed in logs, ifyou recall. alf, much in character, hated it etc.
1534695;1473108996;mircea_popescu;it's just that little meaningful can be said about any of them. and im sure not a complete lsit.
1534696;1473109009;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the license-built arm?
1534697;1473109014;asciilifeform;mega-snore
1534698;1473109017;mod6;ya. but alas, not a different computational model; just new hardware.  non-usg shit.
1534699;1473109018;mircea_popescu;right.
1534700;1473109032;trinque;loongson is there if usg.intel fails
1534701;1473109035;mircea_popescu;anyway. point being the situation's windy rather than calm.
1534702;1473109038;trinque;not as fast yet, but who cares?
1534703;1473109049;asciilifeform;trinque: it is unobtainable. like elbrus.
1534704;1473109058;asciilifeform;is elbrus 'also there' ?
1534705;1473109068;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anyway. point being the situation's windy rather than calm. << agreed.
1534706;1473109070;asciilifeform;and both are straight cribs of western designs.
1534707;1473109075;mircea_popescu;trinque the big state secret here, and the problem the chinese are spedning about five trillion over twenty years to solve is
1534708;1473109089;mircea_popescu;that they want to pilot ten billion rockets in flight over their geosphere.
1534709;1473109101;mircea_popescu;this is a project roughly of the style that created the us bomber command after ww2 victory.
1534710;1473109105;asciilifeform;i will point out that if their solution involves c machine, that's five wasted trillion.
1534711;1473109114;mircea_popescu;china can't waste.
1534712;1473109114;asciilifeform;typical asian tunnel vision.
1534713;1473109119;trinque;mircea_popescu: iirc you discussed this area denial strategy a year or two ago
1534714;1473109152;mircea_popescu;trinque i discussed all sorts of things ; including "buy a boat" about a month before the world was "shocked" by a certain bankruptcy. not that anyone notices, to my eternal amusement.
1534715;1473109161;trinque;lol
1534716;1473109188;shinohai;" Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later. "   <<< perhaps theymos should reconsider taking you ad revenue in order to buy functioning servers.
1534717;1473109201;asciilifeform;again who the fuck needs a rustbucket that costs a dollar per metre to move??!
1534718;1473109212;trinque;asciilifeform: god does not deduct points for cribbing, ftr. see: mongols
1534719;1473109221;trinque;that thread too was "already had"
1534720;1473109228;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's evident that the cray which the us used (ie, max centralization) doesn't work for this. arguably it didn't even work for the us, in 1950. it's vaguely clear that per-rocket chips as currently used (ie, max decentralization) also doesn't work - for obvious computational reasons.
1534721;1473109234;asciilifeform;trinque: crib the goods, crib the bugs and boobietraps.
1534722;1473109239;mircea_popescu;whether they find a real root in between these or not is up in the air.
1534723;1473109265;asciilifeform;trinque: who cribs, has not ~understood~.
1534724;1473109268;mircea_popescu;shinohai database not needed when one has "ethics".
1534725;1473109288;mod6;ah, mircea_popescu, maybe i'm wrong then; in that sense of "models"
1534726;1473109303;trinque;asciilifeform: I do not claim to know, but hesitate to say the major industrial powerhouse of earth lacks understanding of what it does.
1534727;1473109311;mircea_popescu;it's usually a safe bet.
1534728;1473109320;mircea_popescu;i can't think of one historical example where they did.
1534729;1473109325;asciilifeform;trinque: c machine is physically incompatible with understood software stack.
1534730;1473109371;asciilifeform;trinque: if you disagree, you are welcome to demonstrate to me how , e.g., openssl 5.2 produced the recently broken keys
1534731;1473109409;asciilifeform;or show me all of the overflows in linux kernel, and mathematically demonstrate that there are no others.
1534732;1473109424;mircea_popescu;or bake him a pie.
1534733;1473109431;*;trinque invents the universe
1534734;1473109444;asciilifeform;at any rate i have entire www devoted to subj.
1534735;1473109453;asciilifeform;afaik the ~only~ such www
1534736;1473109478;asciilifeform;and if you have not read and understood every single page on it, you are unfit to even contemplate subj.
1534737;1473109489;mircea_popescu;lol simmar down alfie.
1534738;1473109493;trinque;I am not easily moved by feelings.
1534739;1473109525;asciilifeform;but apparently easily moved by crapple's free candy?
1534740;1473109549;mircea_popescu;you know, some little girls actually enjoy the penis.
1534741;1473109552;trinque;the claim that china cannot do anything involving what's currently understood as "computing" is not nearly the same one as "can create asciilifeform's personally designed diamondputer"
1534742;1473109559;asciilifeform;and the might of the asian anthill ?
1534743;1473109663;trinque;GNU's political philosophy is exactly communism.
1534744;1473109671;trinque;since we're bouncing everywhere at once.
1534745;1473109682;asciilifeform;trinque: their bureaucrats sit on winblows. just like in ru or usa. or were you thinking of 'meta-china' hidden beneath the sea somewhere..?
1534746;1473109691;trinque;ahahaha so china cannot meta!
1534747;1473109694;trinque;only nsa
1534748;1473109741;mircea_popescu;lol ima go watch soutpark.
1534749;1473109745;asciilifeform;i have nfi, trinque , but 'read and understood the complete c stack' is a proposition on the scale of 'built undersea cities and no one noticed.'
1534750;1473109754;trinque;nobody said this once.
1534751;1473109776;mircea_popescu;speaking of which : one of their latest episodes was sheer genius. they completely deconstructed the sjw + advertising bullshit. and their conclusion ? you know what it was ? WE WILL HAVE TO DO A BETTER SJW!!!!
1534752;1473109777;trinque;only "will not need usg for anything"
1534753;1473109780;mircea_popescu;i fucking kid you not.
1534754;1473109788;mircea_popescu;i nearly fell down
1534755;1473109808;*;trinque will have to watch.
1534756;1473109811;mod6;same
1534757;1473109818;mircea_popescu;defo. must watch.
1534758;1473109829;mircea_popescu;incredible example of "smarts don't help the castrated"
1534759;1473109962;phf;hmm, just returned into civilization. so before leaving for my vacation i replaced the bot with trinque's reconnecting version, i haven't touched the server since, so obviously reconnecting worked. for 29th specifically i see a flooding spike of bogus http request, which presumably saturated the digitalocean connection, because ping/pongs were still going through, until only pings were being sent, until bot would timed out. then it
1534760;1473109962;phf;attempted to connect for the duration of attack, which in turn timed out for the rest of the day. i'm not sure how i could've mitigated this attack, short of running bot and web on separate machines, with bot's ip hidden.
1534761;1473110001;phf;i'm sorry for failing, whoever put this nailgun in my bed, congratulations. there were no similar spikes in the past, and the attack happened precisely on the day i left for vacation, which was publicly known. given the swift and strong reaction i'm not quiet sure i'm even welcome on the channel anymore, which sucks.
1534762;1473110083;trinque;after it went away for a while I did a wget -R on the www as a backup, hoping the www wouldn't also disappear.
1534763;1473110110;trinque;that actually ended up bringing the bot back, then was bouncing on/off, so I slowed the crawl
1534764;1473110121;*;asciilifeform welcomes phf back
1534765;1473110237;*;shinohai waves to phf, hopes he enjoyed vacation.
1534766;1473110244;phf;trinque: i think that the timing is just overlapping, i'll have to grep for you wget's specifically, but the day is basically an endless stream of /log/2016-05-22&docid=nDn56WVkvV-86M&tbnid=wQqrCY5i08s2qM:&w=245&h=244&hl=en-US&source=sh/x/im and /log/?date=01-05-2014%27%20or%20(1,2)=(select*from(select%20name_const(CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114),1),name_const(CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114),1))a)%20--%20%27x%27=%27x
1534767;1473110268;trinque;ah, someone's dicking you for sql injection
1534768;1473110386;diana_coman;!!v 63BCBF85AEBECBA84E6539E0984DC1FF79BF6F51CF12651E1E5F88F15B95BCDE
1534769;1473110386;deedbot;diana_coman rated phf 2 << Only known fault so far is making public the day he leaves for vacations.
1534770;1473110389;phf;right, second one, don't know what first one is. maybe it's metasploit doing fuzzing? i took two representative examples though
1534771;1473110435;phf;diana_coman: thank you
1534772;1473110576;trinque;!!rated phf
1534773;1473110577;deedbot;trinque rated phf 2 at 2016/02/09 09:32:36 << provided example CL code for next deedbot, made excellent v-patch viewer, intelligent fellow
1534774;1473110641;phf;ha, well, so far i've ensured that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1531824
1534775;1473110641;a111;Logged on 2016-08-30 13:49 mircea_popescu: the republican experience with lisp to date is very sorry indeed.
1534776;1473110669;trinque;cmucl!1!
1534777;1473110820;phf;that is fair, but i'm not yet sure if it was cmucl networking stack not keeping up, or digitalocean being saturated. in either case it could've been brought down by increasing the number of attacking bots.
1534778;1473110863;shinohai;!!rate diana_coman 1 Eulora sorcery, I bow to your greatness.
1534779;1473110864;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/h80de/?raw=true
1534780;1473110931;shinohai;$v C02DB3894AE08B7AAC411C1DAFFFCCE7F1DAAFF63A113987B91C63E4AB87DB67
1534781;1473110952;shinohai;bah
1534782;1473110965;shinohai;!!v C02DB3894AE08B7AAC411C1DAFFFCCE7F1DAAFF63A113987B91C63E4AB87DB67
1534783;1473110965;deedbot;shinohai rated diana_coman 1 << Eulora sorcery, I bow to your greatness.
1534784;1473111316;diana_coman;ha! welcome shinohai to the mess of planeshift legacy code
1534785;1473111357;shinohai;I won't lie, it has made me reach for the excederin already.
1534786;1473125554;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> lol, I thought danielpbarron would be offended when it first appeared. << BingoBoingo is offended the Good Book is in, but the Big book is out... Perhaps add !~step and !~tradition
1534787;1473125602;shinohai;I still need to do that special help message
1534788;1473125815;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> openbsd plot bickens with the inclusion of llvm: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=147294297501630&w=2 << Supposedly they wanted it for a while to make Graphix wurk, but who knows anymore how far it will be taken now that it made the CD cut
1534789;1473126894;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> but in this sense, merely writing c code is the sin ; compiling it in the nazi flavour of socialism or in the soviet flavour of socialism, llvm vs gcc, is sort-of like, what flowers to leave on the raped body, roses or tulips. << Kalanchoe!
1534790;1473130308;BingoBoingo;<Framedragger> it cites log lines. needs to be polished. that's all i wanted to test for now. << Excellent line to test. Many people got the order of the spraying and the cutting wrong to their loss.
1534791;1473130737;trinque;phf: bot being diddled again?
1534792;1473130806;mod6;is there a way to search the logs from one of these bot?
1534793;1473130808;mod6;*bots
1534794;1473130842;mod6;nevermind
1534795;1473132012;pete_dushenski;https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/05/calais-residents-protest-jungle-refugee-camp-not-racist-problem-getting-worse << lorry drivers vs. the monkeys in al-paris : the grudge match continues.
1534796;1473132085;pete_dushenski;hey wd shinohai! spiffy bottery.
1534797;1473132343;pete_dushenski;bible and translate are welcome additions. never know when those might come in handy.
1534798;1473132799;pete_dushenski;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:45/to:45#45 << why wouldn't you still be welcome ? i dunno if i've been skimming the logs too lightly but i don't recall a part where mp said that having bots/services go down/be replaced meant out-and-out excommunication. afaik mike_c, for example, is still welcome.
1534799;1473133256;pete_dushenski;that being said, a clearer explanation (if there is one) would make a solid trilema piece. there might not be a formula for this process in these early days of the republic, but i'm not one to underestimate mp's fertile mind.
1534800;1473133884;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-05-19#681658 << related
1534801;1473133884;a111;Logged on 2014-05-19 09:35 mircea_popescu: in a world created of tailored punishment and precision strikes, the incentive is for the bullshit you see.
1534802;1473134190;pete_dushenski;https://youtu.be/oaF_NwVbIgo?t=1h2m37s << also related if you're a 'criminal alien' stateside. watch out come november.
1534803;1473134233;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: quite so.
1534804;1473134466;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:44/to:44#44 << we're on it, redundancy is the only solution and it's being implemented. dun sweat it.
1534805;1473134515;mircea_popescu;phf ^
1534806;1473135112;hanbot;>24 hrs of rain in BsAs = auto power outages. where's the unesco world stupidity heritage designation already.
1534807;1473135139;mircea_popescu;lol you were out ?
1534808;1473135183;hanbot;yeah. i cooked by candlelight.
1534809;1473135186;mircea_popescu;CHAR(111,108,111,108,111,115,104,101,114) = ololsher ?
1534810;1473135431;mircea_popescu;hanbot there are worse fates!
1534811;1473135605;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:62/to:62#62 << the same thing is in principle true of cryptography generally (funny how it just keeps coming back to this again and again) : "no matter how long you make your key, it can be factored by adding more computers". this is true ; but it's up to you to make it irrelevant. the reason whenever someone does manage to ddos trilema / qntra / etc i tend to just wait is because time
1534812;1473135606;mircea_popescu;is working in my favour, and that is because their stack offers sufficient leverage so that the costs mount for attacker sufficiently faster than for me.
1534813;1473135617;mircea_popescu;this is what "works" means in this context ; and this is what lisp stack will have to satisfy to be not-toy.
1534814;1473135790;trinque;aha, certainly can't use because it's an amulet of past golden age.
1534815;1473135848;mircea_popescu;can, but at home.
1534816;1473136018;mircea_popescu;anyway, not to discourage research or anything.
1534817;1473136148;danielpbarron;http://i.imgur.com/X9EIOqQ.jpg << in adding more news
1534818;1473136254;trinque;ye gods, danielpbarron's couch has a rat king
1534819;1473136301;danielpbarron;not mine
1534820;1473136474;mircea_popescu;ahahaah these people are so cute, "“We are not racist and we are not Front National [the far-right party of Marine Le Pen]. We understand there is a humanitarian question here, that there are people living in misery, but we are living with incivility and a growing feeling of insecurity,” Jean-Pierre Clipet, of the FDSEA farmers’ union, said."
1534821;1473136481;mircea_popescu;THEY JUST WANT TO!
1534822;1473136515;BingoBoingo;trinque: You ought to know danielpbarron's leather couches have a buckskin finish
1534823;1473136870;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: they're savvy enough to know how alt-left media will frame them. "oh you don't want to date shaniqua because you don't like her as a person ? racist!"
1534824;1473136935;mircea_popescu;they're however not savvy enough to realise that the fact that nobody wants them means exactly this - that nobody wants them.
1534825;1473136942;mircea_popescu;somehow they bought into the whole sacred life thing.
1534826;1473136983;mircea_popescu;"the government" should intervene to make sure that calais looks like what group A would, rather than what group B would ? da fuck is this ?
1534827;1473136997;mircea_popescu;"oh, because group A failed to repress groub B because they thought they had a deal with the government".
1534828;1473137002;mircea_popescu;don't fucking make deals with the government.
1534829;1473137014;pete_dushenski;to the extent that they're 'playing by the rules of the prison', it's sop at this point
1534830;1473137039;pete_dushenski;obv, no one told them that their gov was indeed cancelled
1534831;1473137063;pete_dushenski;and any 'social contracts' flowing therefrom, or perceived to be flowing therefrom
1534832;1473137067;mircea_popescu;how is their government cancelled ? it's working exactly as they intended it to work.
1534833;1473137091;mircea_popescu;"no favoritism" they wanted ; and "equality" they wanted, and "down with corruption and old boys networks", they wanted.
1534834;1473137112;mircea_popescu;well what, this only applies to other people ? turns out according to government, migrants have more right to calais than whoever kulaks are complaining.
1534835;1473137124;mircea_popescu;for the very simple reason - the migrants need the government more ; and ask it for less. no brainer.
1534836;1473137140;mircea_popescu;think of it as town-sized eminent domain, if you will. govt improving the land occupation.
1534837;1473137176;pete_dushenski;'their' government being the part that was cancelled. they created frankenstein, now he lives independently from the good doctor.
1534838;1473137204;mircea_popescu;heh. i have nfi how they imagined "decolonialism" will work out as anything other than "bitch, you're the african now".
1534839;1473137223;mircea_popescu;oh wait, wait, because if they say there's no social hierarchy there... won't be any. right, i forgot.
1534840;1473137242;pete_dushenski;just like in times of giza snow pyramids!
1534841;1473137350;*;pete_dushenski recently just learned of sikh practices around 'equality', specifically with regards to naming (all girls are surnamed 'kaur', all boys 'singh' until married). no moar caste sistam u guise!
1534842;1473137378;pete_dushenski;the revolutions just keep revolving don't they.
1534843;1473137390;ben_vulpes;http://theloadstar.co.uk/crisis-calais-hauliers-fear-new-road-blockade-will-bring-attacks-truckers/ << related
1534844;1473137456;ben_vulpes;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3404695/Demolition-Jungle-finally-begins-Bulldozers-tear-Calais-notorious-tent-city-despite-protests-migrants.html << the bulldozing nominally began in january
1534845;1473137479;mircea_popescu;iirc the sikh thing is a few centuries old.
1534846;1473137623;pete_dushenski;yup. like 10 centuries old.
1534847;1473137625;mircea_popescu;anyway. there's a reason india amounted to ~nothing throughout its lengthy history.
1534848;1473137703;pete_dushenski;sorry, 10th ~guru~, Guru Gobind Singh, started the sikh naming convention in 17th century
1534849;1473138032;BingoBoingo;Oh Phyllis Schlafly is dead.
1534850;1473138359;BingoBoingo;$up fiddlerwoaroof
1534851;1473143454;pete_dushenski;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/whitewater/stories/wwtr940527.htm << oldie but goodie on hillary's deep knowledge of the cattle biz, particularly their, ahem, future. couldn't find it in the logs otherwise, worth correcting.
1534852;1473144469;*;pete_dushenski returns to watching doped up and remarkably virile looking chinamen beat up on scrawny, malnourished, and probably 'cleaner' nodicks in 2012 olympics men's doubles badminton finals. gotta love the drive of the children of parents who knew famine.
1534853;1473152062;Framedragger;hey wb phf!
1534854;1473152062;Framedragger;i'm sure you're right, no bot would have survived. wonder if you could use sth like fastnetmon (if it can eat your logs or if you can format them accordingly?) to analyse the DoS / sql attack further..
1534855;1473152100;Framedragger;fwiw i stand by http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-30#1531731 - just have multiple things - and maybe in the future some system for autosyncing logs between places?..
1534856;1473152100;a111;Logged on 2016-08-30 11:25 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and i'll implement these things even if phf's bot becomes more reliable or w/e, because, decentralization!1
1534857;1473152140;Framedragger;how was burning man, then?
1534858;1473170755;thestringpuller;diana_coman: welcome shinohai to the mess of planeshift legacy code << I thought Chetty had gutted 90% of it.
1534859;1473170793;thestringpuller;the only thing left was the CS gfx stuff which is harder to gut
1534860;1473171012;jurov;lol thestringpuller
1534861;1473171067;shinohai;oh hai jurov, thx for your help I thought I borked something up again xD
1534862;1473171276;diana_coman;thestringpuller, the swamp is deep
1534863;1473171386;jurov;shinohai.. well it's me who is borkt. if you remember me year ago complaining of allergy...this time it's even worse
1534864;1473171409;shinohai;O.o Allegra!
1534865;1473172416;BingoBoingo;Nah, Cetirizine!
1534866;1473172465;jurov;oh that stopped working. then desloratadine too
1534867;1473172580;BingoBoingo;desloratadine always sucked
1534868;1473172589;BingoBoingo;You could try Atarax
1534869;1473172641;BingoBoingo;Sorry, Hydroxyzine!
1534870;1473173074;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/hussein-bahamas-cancels-duterte-meeting-at-asean-over-hurt-feelings/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Cancels Duterte Meeting At ASEAN Over Hurt Feelings
1534871;1473174212;Framedragger;[testing more encoding madness for logs, plz ignore: Вопрос]
1534872;1473175119;Framedragger;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/221218755BB59C166BD88435267638C04F757D5630064CA207D228B4A7520F57 << phuctored through a known factor with e being prime - pretty neat
1534873;1473175144;Framedragger;(is deedbot no longer relaying new phuctorings?)
1534874;1473175175;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/221218755BB59C166BD88435267638C04F757D5630064CA207D228B4A7520F57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 165547811878389518608960162514440716527114124066258436669228493533987960317264094824576978438356666816304376509581147804207100789679550973366456163215055170915965745483899503094713195377098763883197788184283604067059487100451243802376158134871006515406296465375549052004071197012049372768297343983234273917627 divides RS
1534875;1473175225;trinque;Framedragger: calm down
1534876;1473175292;Framedragger;my english is not sophisticated enough to mediate a genuine point of curiosity *without* any implied frustration whatsoever
1534877;1473175294;asciilifeform;Nepal, Bagmati, Kathmandu << lel
1534878;1473175299;asciilifeform;since when did they even have a net pipe.
1534879;1473175328;mircea_popescu;since china.
1534880;1473175449;asciilifeform;mega-discount chinese pipe, apparently. box is not currently up.
1534881;1473175462;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:145/to:145#145 <<< which reminds me, all the white knight butthurt at the slow, crushing discovery that an allegedly-black-certainly-male candidate is significantly more acceptable to the geenral public than an allegedly-female-certainly-white one.
1534882;1473175478;mircea_popescu;"oh but they have all these shesidents in yurp!!!11" "you're not yurp."
1534883;1473175565;mircea_popescu;the presiglassial ceiling!
1534884;1473175655;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D02C7EB6E3B29FB9D1CD6BC815A0F28C162095115E62CAC36D79AD5D587D0910 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 165547811878389518608960162514440716527114124066258436669228493533987960317264094824576978438356666816304376509581147804207100789679550973366456163215055170915965745483899503094713195377098763883197788184283604067059487100451243802376158134871006515406296465375549052004071197012049372768297343983234273917627 divides RS
1534885;1473175655;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/221218755BB59C166BD88435267638C04F757D5630064CA207D228B4A7520F57 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 165547811878389518608960162514440716527114124066258436669228493533987960317264094824576978438356666816304376509581147804207100789679550973366456163215055170915965745483899503094713195377098763883197788184283604067059487100451243802376158134871006515406296465375549052004071197012049372768297343983234273917627 divides RS
1534886;1473175711;asciilifeform;the shared factor, 78.188.162.184 << Turkey, Osmaniye, Osmaniye.
1534887;1473175841;Framedragger;three shared factors between nepal and turkey
1534888;1473175894;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/t1neb/?raw=true << longshot, dunno if acceptabru.
1534889;1473175901;Framedragger;(i meant, one shared factor between three places)
1534890;1473175946;asciilifeform;https://www.worldlink.com.np << lulzy.
1534891;1473175991;Framedragger;(ah no, the kathmandu one is repeated twice)
1534892;1473176013;mircea_popescu;raju patel!
1534893;1473176016;mircea_popescu;ok this is pretty lulzy
1534894;1473176100;PeterL;http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/06/cash-means-freedom-which-is-why-so-new -- Not really news, just a good summary of the current situation
1534895;1473176141;mircea_popescu;and in other repeated twice news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lox3somQ5C1ql4hl8o1_500.gif
1534896;1473176205;mircea_popescu;PeterL sure ; though i think the bureaucrats are flattering themselves. let them try to "eliminate cash" i say.
1534897;1473176383;thestringpuller;PeterL: well airports and trainstations are cash chokepoints right now
1534898;1473176388;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:150/to:150#150 << if you go to all the trouble of building multiple freestanding items, why then vulnerabilize them so. the idea is to take the bikeshed out, not import it forever.
1534899;1473176404;thestringpuller;best way to move cash is to put it in lock box, and ship it with a tracking number to wherever you're gonna show up
1534900;1473176416;PeterL;so I was thinking about hawala/wotcoin, would it be reasonable to make some sort of client that eats RSA messages in a sort of [date amount unit RSAkeyIssuer FromRSAkey ToRSAKey] set protocol? each Issuer would have a DB with balances they see, and using WoT could connect multiple issuers?
1534901;1473176433;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Imma have to think on that submission
1534902;1473176444;mircea_popescu;no prob.
1534903;1473176451;thestringpuller;PeterL: I've already tried in practice. The failpoint is reconciliation.
1534904;1473176458;mircea_popescu;PeterL you mean like bitcoin ?
1534905;1473176468;PeterL;use bitcoin to reconcile?
1534906;1473176472;asciilifeform;PeterL: we had a thread...
1534907;1473176474;asciilifeform;$s wotcoin
1534908;1473176474;a111;7 results for "wotcoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=wotcoin
1534909;1473176474;mircea_popescu;...
1534910;1473176481;thestringpuller;PeterL: then how are you going to reconcile cash?
1534911;1473176482;PeterL;well, like bitcoin but without the blockchain bloat
1534912;1473176492;mircea_popescu;ahbahaha
1534913;1473176504;mircea_popescu;oh, you thin kthat's just there because grues hate you / were bored one day ?
1534914;1473176511;PeterL;reconcile cash by sending bitcoin between people
1534915;1473176525;mircea_popescu;you can already do this in, eg, eulora.
1534916;1473176530;thestringpuller;PeterL: what do you mean?!?!? Cash doesn't magicall transport itself.
1534917;1473176534;asciilifeform;PeterL: we had a 'what if gossipd also had a multidimensional hawala thing' thread
1534918;1473176549;asciilifeform;it turned out that no one has the 100kg of lsd necessary to properly digest the idea.
1534919;1473176577;asciilifeform;(and that it is a 'solution in search of problem')
1534920;1473176603;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:161/to:161#161 << try moving to a cold, desolate place. almost always fixes this.
1534921;1473176610;mircea_popescu;decade or two later you can even try returning.
1534922;1473176616;PeterL;I was thinking it could be used to facilitate micropayments, things too small to deserve blockchain space
1534923;1473176629;mircea_popescu;and... eulora...already... lol
1534924;1473176645;mircea_popescu;you can pay one satoshi instantly and without blockchain bloat. today. go, do.
1534925;1473176646;PeterL;well, yes, eulora could be one of the nodes in such a network
1534926;1473176650;thestringpuller;yes lets put on our VR headset to send my bff 5 bucks for a beer :D
1534927;1473176668;mircea_popescu;PeterL and this doesn't suggest to you the solution in search of problem angle ?
1534928;1473176672;PeterL;I was just trying to think of a way to standardize between multiple nodes
1534929;1473176676;mircea_popescu;you jus' wanna turn nodes into networks ?
1534930;1473176677;Framedragger;asciilifeform: multidimensional in what way? simply that it'd have many parameters; or that there'd be many cliques / 'issuers' / whateva?
1534931;1473176678;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'i want to send penny without bank' 'use my bank'
1534932;1473176690;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 0 global state.
1534933;1473176712;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "i want to send penny wtihout bank" "bitcoin" "oh, without blockchaion, maybe little bank" "use little bank" "no, all these things have the disadvantage that they don't include my 3yo self in a central manner sufficiently"
1534934;1473176731;mircea_popescu;apparently this is a phase.
1534935;1473176758;Framedragger;asciilifeform: aha ok.
1534936;1473176780;asciilifeform;Framedragger: for some reason i cannot turn up the thread. but idea was something like a crackpot generalization of the idea of altcoins, i.e. every node can issue obligatory notes, if you will, in whatever qty, and their worth rests wholly on wot graph relations of that node, and strictly to his peers
1534937;1473176797;Framedragger;ahhh.
1534938;1473176818;asciilifeform;Framedragger: iirc nothing further came from this line of thought, to date, it is only interesting as gedankenexperiment.
1534939;1473176821;Framedragger;i recall someone attempting an implementation / spec of this 'everyone has their own currency' thing. just with wot being less central to it, perhaps
1534940;1473176833;Framedragger;which still makes it interesting :) but yeah ok
1534941;1473176838;mircea_popescu;it was common scammer fare cca 2013.
1534942;1473176838;asciilifeform;without wot it devolves into a not very funny joke
1534943;1473176841;asciilifeform;a la 'ripple' etc.
1534944;1473176847;mircea_popescu;right after solidcoin pos stuff.
1534945;1473176849;Framedragger;agree.
1534946;1473176888;asciilifeform;with wot, it is, at best, a mechanized version of how banking worked pre-1700s or so.
1534947;1473176942;mircea_popescu;"mechanized" is stupidified, generally. careful with mecanizing stuff for the sake of feeling like you just came out of a us college.
1534948;1473176951;asciilifeform;the reason i occasionally return to the idea in my notebook is that it is the only solution i know of thus far to the idiocy of mining.
1534949;1473176951;mircea_popescu;it's the feeling of "i've just been indescribably stupid."
1534950;1473176965;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform even with it mining won't go away.
1534951;1473176994;mircea_popescu;in fact, mining is included in the gossipd implementation of privacy ; re-read the example given there to phf.
1534952;1473177009;asciilifeform;link?
1534953;1473177015;mircea_popescu;that "i heard from X and Y" is exactly mining.
1534954;1473177020;mircea_popescu;lemme dig it up then.
1534955;1473177343;asciilifeform;i am speaking of 'mining' in the bitcoin sense, where a stranger can connect and shoot your difficulty to pluto and leave, etc.
1534956;1473177352;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467087 << and around
1534957;1473177352;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 14:04 mircea_popescu: similarily, the ACTUAL order of message, and the presence or absence of "j/k" messages in there can a) never be established beyond reasonable doubt and b) can only be usefully guessed by people. which is to say, well connected, intelligent nodes.
1534958;1473177368;asciilifeform;( as per http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies )
1534959;1473177372;mircea_popescu;yeah, as contemplated in gossipd there is no difficulty. but mining, still exists.
1534960;1473177389;mircea_popescu;ie, what makes my knowledge secure and the third party's knowledge dubious is... the people who i know to mine it \for me.
1534961;1473177390;asciilifeform;in that sense BingoBoingo pulling weeds in his corn field is 'mining'
1534962;1473177398;mircea_popescu;no no. the sense is correct.
1534963;1473177462;asciilifeform;gossip model does not rely on 'arms race' with hardware and mains current.
1534964;1473177473;mircea_popescu;true.
1534965;1473177496;mircea_popescu;at least on appearances. but now model what someone trying to sybil would be doing.
1534966;1473177503;mircea_popescu;the armsrace is still there ; subtlier.
1534967;1473177511;asciilifeform;he'd be pulling own cock.
1534968;1473177525;asciilifeform;and, at best, ninjashogunning.
1534969;1473177536;mircea_popescu;no, he's be using the algo that beat sedol to create as many accounts as his electricity can power, and fuzz everyone out.
1534970;1473177537;asciilifeform;(how else would there be any connection between the sybils and actual people?)
1534971;1473177546;mircea_popescu;you understand HOW music changed from music to idiocy, yes ?
1534972;1473177547;asciilifeform;what 'accounts'.
1534973;1473177553;asciilifeform;why would you or i wot to any of him.
1534974;1473177560;mircea_popescu;how do you currently distinguish between two names ?
1534975;1473177592;asciilifeform;i get an rsa-signed 'hi, i'ma fella named mircea' etc.
1534976;1473177595;asciilifeform;same as everybody.
1534977;1473177613;mircea_popescu;and how do you distinguish between indiancandy and covertress ?
1534978;1473177628;asciilifeform;same way i distinguish between the birds in my oak tree.
1534979;1473177642;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 << re-read this, and think about it. if i want to attack you, i make literally a trillion names ; then i sort them in binary tries like that ; then i send them to chatter at you.
1534980;1473177642;a111;Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
1534981;1473177643;asciilifeform;(for the most part, i don't. except that one time there was this odd parrot-like... etc)
1534982;1473177658;mircea_popescu;your brain will pick patterns, and now i managed to get a few inside through fuzzing.
1534983;1473177667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we already did this exercise. in 1990s. it was called spam.
1534984;1473177673;asciilifeform;and resulted in folks quitting email.
1534985;1473177674;mircea_popescu;no, we did not.
1534986;1473177696;asciilifeform;if there were 10,001 covertresses, i would read ~none~ of them
1534987;1473177698;asciilifeform;and make it stick.
1534988;1473177698;mircea_popescu;spam was always point-driven. it's easy to fight the man who wants to steal.
1534989;1473177718;mircea_popescu;yes. but how do you distinguish the one that isn't, from the one that merely appears not to be, from the other 9999 ?
1534990;1473177728;mircea_popescu;seriously read that 2nd link.
1534991;1473177734;asciilifeform;i won't. as knuth does not.
1534992;1473177742;mircea_popescu;so then your gossipd just died ?
1534993;1473177760;asciilifeform;quite alive. all of my peerings with actual people still work.
1534994;1473177772;mircea_popescu;"actual people" you knew from before.
1534995;1473177780;mircea_popescu;you gotta constantly get new girlfriends.
1534996;1473177787;mircea_popescu;the moment you stop this, you're too old for life.
1534997;1473177798;asciilifeform;spam raises the bar to 'i want to be a man', yes. but cannot raise it infinitely high.
1534998;1473177833;mircea_popescu;well if you won't read and address the points there we'll have to stop here, i'm not restating it.
1534999;1473177842;asciilifeform;i did read.
1535000;1473177847;mircea_popescu;then address the points.
1535001;1473177881;asciilifeform;$s razi
1535002;1473177882;a111;3 results for "razi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=razi
1535003;1473177914;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-16#876727 << where i address the point.
1535004;1473177914;a111;Logged on 2014-10-16 00:01 asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
1535005;1473177938;mircea_popescu;the thing you do not wish to say, because you do not wish it to be turned to dust under scrutiny, is that razi is either dead, or else depends on sub-razis-1 through n
1535006;1473177942;mircea_popescu;who, perhaps, in turn.
1535007;1473177950;asciilifeform;no, let's do it
1535008;1473177958;mircea_popescu;the weakness of this scheme is exactly as described : fuzzing and the binary tree propagates a few through it all the way to you.
1535009;1473177987;asciilifeform;to get through 10,000,001 enemy meat puppets, the would-be proselyte will have to fight his way through jungle, desert, etc.
1535010;1473178001;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit about him.
1535011;1473178017;mircea_popescu;the discussion is carried from your pov. you observe an endless field of worms. what next ?
1535012;1473178040;asciilifeform;quite certainly not. but if he is found worthy by all concentric N circles of L_n wot arount razi, then he is worth testing.
1535013;1473178043;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1534898 << i guess that *would* then be a truly single point of failure, in terms of historical reliability, hm. not an easy problem
1535014;1473178043;a111;Logged on 2016-09-06 15:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:150/to:150#150 << if you go to all the trouble of building multiple freestanding items, why then vulnerabilize them so. the idea is to take the bikeshed out, not import it forever.
1535015;1473178084;mircea_popescu;Framedragger people want, sensibly, to reduce the things they worry about. however, they often get confused in between things they could not worry about but have to, and things they can't not worry about but don't have to.
1535016;1473178101;mircea_popescu;this difference is central, and obviously not only elided in school - deliberately buried in school.
1535017;1473178105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~entire point of wotronics is to eliminate 'field of worms as far as the eye can see in all directions' as a thing of this world.
1535018;1473178119;mircea_popescu;there's a reason you feed your horse with your own hand, even if you don't have to.
1535019;1473178131;Framedragger;hm, true.
1535020;1473178143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, that's the whole delusion of wot, in the minds of aspiring shamans such as yourself.
1535021;1473178162;mircea_popescu;the reality of the wot is that it provides the tools to make, perhaps, attacks unfeasibly costly. PERHAPS.
1535022;1473178267;mircea_popescu;and this "making attacks costly" is exactly mining, any way you turn it.
1535023;1473178339;asciilifeform;incidentally what the hell is wrong with 'i won't answer message from $newkey unless an $oldkey vouched for him' ?
1535024;1473178348;mircea_popescu;that the problem recurses to oldkey now.
1535025;1473178355;asciilifeform;it recurses to meatspace.
1535026;1473178356;mircea_popescu;ie, "you just want to and someone else gotta do the work now"
1535027;1473178361;asciilifeform;which does not have such a thing as 0-cost sybilmaking.
1535028;1473178366;mircea_popescu;"meatspace" is what idiots say.
1535029;1473178377;mircea_popescu;really, you want your source of power to be chats in coffee shops ?
1535030;1473178381;asciilifeform;fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost.
1535031;1473178386;mircea_popescu;fuck that. i been there, done that, it's enough to run a smallish trown and no more.
1535032;1473178396;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu's gurl zoo is made of what.
1535033;1473178400;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but with the go algo it's come pretty damned close.
1535034;1473178419;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it'd surprise you to find that less than half my harem finds itself in my presence at any given time.
1535035;1473178446;mircea_popescu;new girls can go for years without meeting most of the others ; forget all.
1535036;1473178457;asciilifeform;i dun see how the go machine relates.
1535037;1473178471;asciilifeform;it works on a narrow and well-defined toy problem.
1535038;1473178480;asciilifeform;there is no risk of a mechanical mircea_popescutron.
1535039;1473178486;mircea_popescu;prior to the sedol debacle, there was a simple "let's play go" solution to human vs machine
1535040;1473178490;mircea_popescu;now there isn't really.
1535041;1473178507;*;trinque did wonder about the magic which kept many women in close quarters with each other without killing each other
1535042;1473178538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: now there is a 'complicated' 'let's talk for five minutes'.
1535043;1473178566;asciilifeform;incidentally, less time than it takes to tell man from muppet by playing go (how many folks even play above 1995 computer level ? does mircea_popescu ? )
1535044;1473178612;mircea_popescu;the issue of "muppet" is complicated.
1535045;1473178646;mircea_popescu;and of course, the discussion is carried in terms of go but isn't ABOUT go. it's about "human only tasks"
1535046;1473178786;mircea_popescu;trinque my shit is uniquely confusing. i call them slaves, because it is the proper term. yet they have more personal freedom and general, intellectual and otherwise independence than any "liberated" hear-her-roar-in-english-only.
1535047;1473178814;*;mircea_popescu isn't in the business of driving people nuts.
1535048;1473178886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't grasp the need for a global 'humanity filter.' working wotronics implies that folks will assortively peer by degree of muppetry, and this imho suffices.
1535049;1473178903;asciilifeform;let the covertresses live with own kind. and the knuthes - own. etc
1535050;1473178917;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes asciilifeform has a point in that penis makes for a fine way to make friends. the thing is that as i near 40, i'd dearly love some alternative method. this thing won't last forever.
1535051;1473178927;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no "kind" you racist lout you.
1535052;1473178933;asciilifeform;lel
1535053;1473178941;mircea_popescu;what kind ? womankind? pshhh
1535054;1473178949;asciilifeform;womans!111
1535055;1473178971;mircea_popescu;anyway. the "suffices" thing is all a matter of who's attacking you and why. keeping each other's balances in excel spreadsheets also "Suffices".
1535056;1473178990;mircea_popescu;but the whole fucking point of technology is to broadly open new cunts.
1535057;1473179070;mircea_popescu;and to revisit <asciilifeform> fact is, enemy has not yet devised a means of making faux people at 0cost. : please watch the news sometime.
1535058;1473179079;asciilifeform;these aren't people.
1535059;1473179084;mircea_popescu;the talking heads are 0cost faux people ; and most of their subject matter, from hussein bahamas down.
1535060;1473179087;asciilifeform;and don't fool actual people for so much as 5 seconds.
1535061;1473179095;mircea_popescu;heh.
1535062;1473179127;mircea_popescu;do you ever count how much of this "i want this not that therefore the facts are so and so" you do in an average day ?
1535063;1473179143;asciilifeform;how is this even in principle possible ?
1535064;1473179149;mircea_popescu;you just did it!
1535065;1473179155;asciilifeform;the counting, i mean.
1535066;1473179160;mircea_popescu;"i want my theory to work therefore network anchors aren't people, evidently"
1535067;1473179176;asciilifeform;'esteemed sir, the defective transistors were packaged separately for your convenience.'
1535068;1473179177;mircea_popescu;oh. well, the same way everything else is done, you match against the structure and increment a counter.
1535069;1473179181;mircea_popescu;not so.
1535070;1473179190;mircea_popescu;the beauty of language is that it allows this sort of analysis.
1535071;1473179209;thestringpuller;This is how I imagine MP and ALF when talking in channel. Makes work less boring: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Statler_and_Waldorf.jpg
1535072;1473179213;mircea_popescu;and by language we don't mean dogshit from china/india/the pacific islands and whatnot.
1535073;1473179258;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: l0l
1535074;1473179353;asciilifeform;i will observe that, e.g., new york times front page, has 1,001 new faux-people every morning. whereas here we get 0. and so in principle the problem is tractable.
1535075;1473179384;mircea_popescu;no question, it surely is tractable.
1535076;1473179391;asciilifeform;and not simply a matter of 'no one tried hard enough to piss in our particular soup'
1535077;1473179397;mircea_popescu;the discussion errupted when you wanted to take the engine out of the tractor.
1535078;1473179425;asciilifeform;where's that
1535079;1473179439;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:244/to:244#244
1535080;1473179458;asciilifeform;nothing that happens here is analogous to btc mining.
1535081;1473179470;asciilifeform;there is no 'stranger can connect and blow difficulty'.
1535082;1473179474;mircea_popescu;quite identical, yes. except for the superficial parts you hate.
1535083;1473179495;mircea_popescu;lol! review the history. the bar in 2016 is "make a bot" ; the bar in 2014 was "get a gpg key".
1535084;1473179516;mircea_popescu;are you aware the bar for people getting into eulora now, whom you despise for their inferiority, is EXACTLY EQUAL to the bar of this thing right here, years ago ?
1535085;1473179527;mircea_popescu;and actually ABOVE the bar for its allegible predecessor, bitcoin-otc ?
1535086;1473179536;mircea_popescu;runaway difficulty baby.
1535087;1473179546;asciilifeform;lel, and i dun even yet have a bot!11111
1535088;1473179551;mircea_popescu;right.
1535089;1473179591;trinque;well, I took CL so you'll have to in ada.
1535090;1473179594;*;asciilifeform pictures assemblage of bots carrying on here, long after we all went down in atomic dirigible crashes
1535091;1473179600;trinque;lol
1535092;1473179602;mircea_popescu;oya
1535093;1473179632;mircea_popescu;the testament of european-ity, as embodied by the greeks ; and later (1500s!) finally inherited by the italians is simply this :
1535094;1473179640;mircea_popescu;that women will survive after their man has died.
1535095;1473179643;mircea_popescu;shall i quote the greek ?
1535096;1473179695;asciilifeform;the goats, sheep, other critters, also survive, eh ?
1535097;1473179705;mircea_popescu;generally they get eaten.
1535098;1473179708;mircea_popescu;war ~= famine.
1535099;1473179860;mircea_popescu;anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him.
1535100;1473179986;asciilifeform;there is ~unbroken strand of this, almost through ww2.
1535101;1473184642;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535099 << (probably on some superficial level) this reminded me of a film i recently watched at airport: "elena" (2011, zvyagintsev). it's a pretty good film (nothing extraordinary), i think, and i recommend it. i don't have a particular intuition but i suspect that elena's relationship to her husband may pique mircea_popescu's interest, and he'd have words about elena
1535102;1473184642;a111;Logged on 2016-09-06 16:37 mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be noted that gorgo is supposed to marry a GOOD man, not just any man. and the definition of goodness is at the very least shared by leonidas, if not outright sourced from him.
1535103;1473184653;Framedragger;(decent cinematography and good acting)
1535104;1473185411;mircea_popescu;i recently watched fracture, which has all the might of a. hopkins and all around decent acting + good screenplay. except, of course, produced by the same people who keep pushing the same old stakhanovist retardation, as in eg http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:35/to:35#35
1535105;1473185422;mircea_popescu;it's a good yarn, especially for the people nostalgic for the soviet 70s.
1535106;1473185451;*;asciilifeform adds to list.
1535107;1473185468;mircea_popescu;minus the ages, it's almost exact copy.
1535108;1473185489;*;Framedragger to list, too
1535109;1473185514;mircea_popescu;and it even includes the "strong" female by scriptorial diktat, who otherwise behaves exactly like a little etsy bitch.
1535110;1473185529;asciilifeform;what's an etsybitch ?
1535111;1473185538;mircea_popescu;iirc those annoyed me the most back in the 70s.
1535112;1473185576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what the "independent business" ideas of the useless twentysomething middle class chick all revolve around selling handmade junk on social media sites ?
1535113;1473185587;asciilifeform;these, yes
1535114;1473185597;asciilifeform;but what in sov planet was analogous to these ?
1535115;1473185602;mircea_popescu;similar to how all the "online marketeering" derps run businesses consisting of selling "informational products" to themselves ?
1535116;1473185617;mircea_popescu;the female lead in the respective films.
1535117;1473185676;mircea_popescu;there is no genuine strong woman in soviet cinematography, except for the occasional bit part playing "nazis".
1535118;1473185691;mircea_popescu;in no small part because strength was rather nazi to the derps ; but nevertheless.
1535119;1473185781;asciilifeform;(in ~unrelated noose, asciilifeform went looking to buy a box of proximity switches, for cnc box. they are sorta like thumb-sized metal detectors with 1 bit of output. and ALL OF the extant offers come with 'this is chinese turd, randomly fails.' and consider, these exist SOLELY to keep large, expensive iron from colliding with itself...)
1535120;1473185907;Framedragger;...but maybe instead of reliability they offer you push notifications to your Android CNC App (tm), and share buttons to social networks?..
1535121;1473185912;asciilifeform;^ this isn't wholly accurate. they also exist to give a repeatable zero to the mechanism. (otherwise mechanical switch would suffice.)
1535122;1473185923;asciilifeform;Framedragger: nah, that's if americans made'em
1535123;1473185946;Framedragger;heh, yeah. (though, plenty of chinese IoT crap out there, too)
1535124;1473185981;*;trinque imagines the thing runs wince then
1535125;1473186012;asciilifeform;Framedragger: at one of my recent salt mine gigs, there was an after-hours club thing where folks would bring in and find (trivial) vulns in those.
1535126;1473186034;asciilifeform;trinque: nah, it's an analogue part.
1535127;1473186042;trinque;asciilifeform: ftr yesterday my point was not lets rally around llvm; you'll notice I've been using nothing but sbcl lately.
1535128;1473186076;asciilifeform;trinque: neato
1535129;1473186077;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ahh nice. (and now i recall you mentioning this before - some log memory in mind FINALLY ha)
1535130;1473186084;asciilifeform;trinque: any interesting finds ?
1535131;1473186140;trinque;not at the stage of reading enough of the compiler to claim mastery
1535132;1473186165;asciilifeform;http://www.aliexpress.com/item-img/M18-DC-2-wire-proximity-switch-NPN-NO-metal-sensor-proximity-switch/1561429874.html << earlier subj.
1535133;1473186305;asciilifeform;trinque: the compiler thing deserves its own thread.
1535134;1473186769;mircea_popescu;in other random news, avunculate marriage, while commended by teh jews, nevertheless is forbidden by the muslims. most of the world follows the latter rather than the former, except argentina, australia an' russia.
1535135;1473187044;trinque;heh, not just allowed but commended?
1535136;1473187057;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1535137;1473187079;mircea_popescu;many ancient societies had a serious welfare problem which is :
1535138;1473187101;mircea_popescu;if a) men are the structure and also b) men are not cowardly then necessarily you will end up with desperate female lines.
1535139;1473187102;mircea_popescu;wut do ?
1535140;1473187105;mircea_popescu;"marry them."
1535141;1473187137;trinque;makes sense.
1535142;1473187185;mircea_popescu;bible is rather explicit on the point that if your brother dies, you're stuck with the widow.
1535143;1473187240;mircea_popescu;this survives as late and far away as in ww2 anglo fictions, such as seen in cinema. dead guy wants his brother [in arms] to go to his gf and "tell her" things.
1535144;1473187254;mircea_popescu;it's not specifically said he should tell them with his penis, but anyway.
1535145;1473187279;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535100 <<
1535146;1473187279;a111;Logged on 2016-09-06 16:39 asciilifeform: there is ~unbroken strand of this, almost through ww2.
1535147;1473187280;shinohai;!~bible Matt. 22:24
1535148;1473187281;jhvh1;shinohai: [KJV] Matthew 22:24 :: Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
1535149;1473187349;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1431193 << see also.
1535150;1473187349;a111;Logged on 2016-03-12 13:10 mircea_popescu: this shit's becoming ever more arabic isn't it.
1535151;1473187355;mircea_popescu;heh.
1535152;1473187379;mircea_popescu;it's a good heuristic to follow who a man hates, for you're liable to find who he wants to crib without giving credit.
1535153;1473187389;mircea_popescu;the very same's true of "states", whatever that may mean.
1535154;1473187453;mircea_popescu;moreover, and more amusingly : notwithstanding pretenses of equality with russia, put forth on the very ridiculous basis of trying to compare bezzle-gdp of say italy with actual gdp of extractive economy ; the us is altogether not the equal of saudi arabia.
1535155;1473187468;mircea_popescu;the saudis have an actual culture. all the ustards have is a well lubricated hole.
1535156;1473187618;trinque;hm, underscores how damaged anglo/western notions of family are.
1535157;1473189671;asciilifeform;in other noose,
1535158;1473189676;asciilifeform; $ openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 74.45.228.160:443
1535159;1473189687;asciilifeform;CONNECTED(00000003)
1535160;1473189687;asciilifeform;depth=0 C = US, ST = California, L = Sunnyvale, O = Tropos Networks, OU = Manufacturing, CN = Tropos Router, emailAddress = support@tropos.com
1535161;1473189687;asciilifeform;[snipped crud]
1535162;1473189694;asciilifeform;^ quite a few of these ^
1535163;1473189695;asciilifeform;and,
1535164;1473189708;asciilifeform;$ openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 201.249.207.150:443
1535165;1473189719;asciilifeform;CONNECTED(00000003)
1535166;1473189720;asciilifeform;depth=0 name = AR157-Self-Signed-Certificate-210235384810E4001320
1535167;1473189720;asciilifeform;[snipsnip]
1535168;1473189735;asciilifeform;^ huawei ar157 ^
1535169;1473189799;asciilifeform;tropos: 'MetroMesh is a network architecture, based upon the Tropos System Architecture, for building Smart Cities.  Smart Cities utilize MetroMesh to build metro-area wireless broadband networks for municipal applications utilizing open-standard radios and IP communications. A common physical infrastructure can be leveraged to support multiple municipal applications including Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS), Advanced Meteri
1535170;1473189799;asciilifeform;ng Infrastructure (AMI), video surveillance and public safety access.'
1535171;1473189860;trinque;http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html?hp&_r=0 << "But the plans went further: to exploit Huawei’s technology so that when the company sold equipment to other countries — including both allies and nations that avoid buying American products — the N.S.A. could roam through their computer and telephone networks to conduct surveillance and, if
1535172;1473189862;trinque;ordered by the president, offensive cyberoperations."
1535173;1473190195;trinque;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Sep/3 << in other networking hw manufacturer lulz
1535174;1473190300;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533632 << I stand corrected; no fucktardation is too idiotic to have been committed over, and over, and..
1535175;1473190300;a111;Logged on 2016-09-02 18:21 trinque: asciilifeform: people generate their ssh privkey on the box *to which* they're connecting?
1535176;1473190485;asciilifeform;a bunch more have telnet open, and look like this:
1535177;1473190498;asciilifeform;+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1535178;1473190498;asciilifeform; 
1535179;1473190498;asciilifeform;                             A T E N C A O
1535180;1473190498;asciilifeform; 
1535181;1473190498;asciilifeform;        *** Permitido o uso somente para pessoas autorizadas ***
1535182;1473190499;asciilifeform; 
1535183;1473190501;asciilifeform;  A utilizacao indevida ou a operacao que exceda o nivel de autorizacao
1535184;1473190503;asciilifeform;  permitido estara sujeita a monitoramento.
1535185;1473190505;asciilifeform;+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1535186;1473190508;asciilifeform;(apologies for log clutter, but this is hilarious)
1535187;1473190521;asciilifeform;they are examples of http://www.audiocodes.com .
1535188;1473190524;asciilifeform;a voip gateway.
1535189;1473190566;asciilifeform;e.g., http://ns1.suam.edu.br (why it is on www? who knows.)
1535190;1473190672;shinohai;^ kek
1535191;1473190677;*;Framedragger 's itch to redo http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/ intesifies
1535192;1473190701;Framedragger;"try root:root / admin:admin"
1535193;1473190861;asciilifeform;2.116.209.1 is a huawei MA5600T series.
1535194;1473190870;asciilifeform;(how i know this is left as exercise for the reader.0
1535195;1473190916;asciilifeform;'SmartAX MA5600T is the global first all-in-one access platform which can provide DSL and optical integrated access. It can provide high density ADSL2+, VDSL2, POTS, ISDN, GPON, Ethernet fiber P2P and Cable access, triple-play service, and TDM/ATM/Ethernet leased line services for business customers. '
1535196;1473190922;asciilifeform;( http://www1.huawei.com/en/products/fixed-access/fttx/olt/ma5600t/index.htm )
1535197;1473191076;asciilifeform;elsewhere,
1535198;1473191107;asciilifeform;we find that 85.14.248.152 leads to http://85.14.248.152:8087/play/files .
1535199;1473191150;asciilifeform;that's the one with SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u3 .
1535200;1473191266;asciilifeform;the 'mikrotik' boxes all look like this one: http://78.188.162.184 .
1535201;1473191521;asciilifeform;http://187.72.155.221 << typical example of the 'audiocodes' item.
1535202;1473191586;asciilifeform;http://189.112.138.254 << ditto.
1535203;1473191714;asciilifeform;$s 189.203.181.7
1535204;1473191715;a111;1 result for "189.203.181.7", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=189.203.181.7
1535205;1473191752;asciilifeform;the mexican boxes. also huawei.
1535206;1473191958;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli
1535207;1473191971;asciilifeform;201.101.37.44 appears to be connected to a https://www.insomniasec.com/downloads/advisories/ISVA-110427.1.htm (!)
1535208;1473191975;asciilifeform;^ 'scada'
1535209;1473192012;asciilifeform;^ in case anyone wasn't tuned in, these are all animals from the http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored zoo ^
1535210;1473192383;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/thrfv/?raw=true << current roster.
1535211;1473192392;asciilifeform;entries with no id string are ones who did not answer.
1535212;1473192395;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^
1535213;1473192474;asciilifeform;it stands to reason that the entire line of routers of each type listed here is poppable. and, conceivably, all of the products from the vendors mentioned.
1535214;1473192476;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533659 .
1535215;1473192476;a111;Logged on 2016-09-02 18:41 mircea_popescu: because if we discover that say "thisfunction is used on 64 bits of input of which the first 44 are known" ; then we run the other 20, add the resulting nextprime etc add those into the 8ball and it's goodnight.
1535216;1473192687;asciilifeform;74.45.* are tropos.
1535217;1473192775;asciilifeform;( SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2 )
1535218;1473192816;asciilifeform;lel, tropos.com redirects to http://new.abb.com/network-management/communication-networks/wireless-networks
1535219;1473192842;asciilifeform;which has curios such as 'whitepaper: wireless for substation physical security.'
1535220;1473192862;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/hXAIp << subj.
1535221;1473193110;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/4Sf1B << fresh snap of subj.
1535222;1473193140;asciilifeform;'Our offering   Oil & Gas    Utilities   Mining   Industrial Control Systems'
1535223;1473193199;asciilifeform;gotta wonder how this find will be treated by the 'controllers of the vertical and the horizontal'
1535224;1473193211;asciilifeform;i'ma bet it'll be 'pretend never happened', vs. hannoboeckization.
1535225;1473193328;asciilifeform;oooh this is riiich,
1535226;1473193335;asciilifeform;'Around-the-clock monitoring of physical security at transmission and distribution substations can be a key factor in minimizing damage from a wide range of threats that are becoming more commonplace. It is well documented that unauthorized access to utility substations can result in hundreds of thousands of dollars in financial losses as well as cause power outages. Unauthorized access may cause such damage as a result of theft of m
1535227;1473193335;asciilifeform;aterials or equipment; damage to substation equipment; and can provide hackers with an opportunity to launch cyber-attacks from within substations. '
1535228;1473193340;asciilifeform;FROM WITHIN SUBSTATIONS
1535229;1473193342;asciilifeform;DIDJA KNOW
1535230;1473193357;asciilifeform;( http://new.abb.com/docs/librariesprovider92/default-document-library/substation-physical-securitya8dc59e6c1f463c09537ff0000433538.pdf )
1535231;1473193418;asciilifeform;'Gunshot detection, alert and location identification – when a substation is attacked by gunfire it can result in significant damage to equipment and risk the safety of workers on site. A gunshot detection system typically can identify the type of firearm as well as the exact location from which it was fired. If video cameras are configured as part of the gunshot detection system, they may offer a visual image of the individual tha
1535232;1473193418;asciilifeform;t fired the gun which can accelerate in apprehending and convicting individuals involved in the illicit activity.'
1535233;1473193436;asciilifeform;how about broken rng detection, imbeciles ?
1535234;1473193464;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/pl5j4/?raw=true << whole thing, largely for mircea_popescu
1535235;1473193483;asciilifeform;ABB Wireless
1535236;1473193483;asciilifeform;555 Del Rey Avenue
1535237;1473193483;asciilifeform;Sunnyvale, CA 94085
1535238;1473193483;asciilifeform;Phone: +1 408.331.6800
1535239;1473193487;asciilifeform;who wants to give'em a call??
1535240;1473193543;ben_vulpes;what, to speak to a secretary
1535241;1473193691;asciilifeform;if i knew to-what, i'd do it myself.
1535242;1473193781;asciilifeform;'Memphis, Tennessee is known for rock ‘n roll and slow-cooked barbeque, but those aren’t the only good things coming out of Bluff City. Soon, residents will enjoy the perks of a successful smart grid rollout, too. In an effort to modernize the grid and enhance internal operations and customer service, Memphis Light, Gas and Water is deploying 1 million smart meters within its 784 square mile service area. ABB has been selected to
1535243;1473193781;asciilifeform; provide wireless network products and services to support advanced metering infrastructure (AMI) communications. This two-way technology is the foundation of the smart grid. ...'
1535244;1473193789;asciilifeform;( http://troposblog.tropos.com )
1535245;1473193813;asciilifeform;'Our launch of the TropOS 6420, an outdoor broadband mesh router designed to enhance physical security applications in electric utility T&D substations, was a timely endeavor given recent high-profile vandalism and sabotage events. '
1535246;1473193839;asciilifeform;'Nothing says happy customer quite like repeat purchases. Recently, ABB Tropos Wireless Communication Systems installed a wireless mesh network at PotashCorp – White Springs’ 100,000-acre phosphate mine in White Springs, FL.'
1535247;1473193847;asciilifeform;etc.
1535248;1473193980;asciilifeform;apparently they have a considerable market share in public surveillance cams and the like.
1535249;1473194023;asciilifeform;'vertical and horizontal' are not controlled with magic, no.
1535250;1473194032;asciilifeform;they are controlled with 'industry partnerships', like this one.
1535251;1473194160;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other news, hanbot makes some kickass encilladas.
1535252;1473194168;mircea_popescu;you'd think she's from like california or something.
1535253;1473194182;asciilifeform;lel
1535254;1473194208;asciilifeform;(iirc hanbot actually ~did~ come from california)
1535255;1473194224;mircea_popescu;yawell!
1535256;1473194255;mircea_popescu;omg what happened here lol
1535257;1473194364;asciilifeform;just an ordinary public-rape-with-reciprocating-saw of some 'vertical and horizontal' derps.
1535258;1473195520;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:464/to:464#464 << basically, the republic's mesh already exists, it's called "smart cities" and is used to run the surveillance and etc of the lizard empire.
1535259;1473195569;asciilifeform;this was known previously.
1535260;1473195584;asciilifeform;what was not (publicly) known is that they had own version of soviet toy crypto 'gost'.
1535261;1473195670;mircea_popescu;aha
1535262;1473195718;mircea_popescu;somebody should wipe some harddrives / deface some corporate sites so there's something here to qntra
1535263;1473195720;mircea_popescu;as it is, meh.
1535264;1473195763;mircea_popescu;(feel free to drop a pgpgram when done, of course, i "won't be able to prove it's mine" etc.)
1535265;1473195850;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these aren't 'corporate sites'
1535266;1473195861;asciilifeform;these are transformer farms, water pumps, security cams, etc.
1535267;1473195878;mircea_popescu;eh, i'm sure there's something somewhere.
1535268;1473195901;asciilifeform;'something, somewhere' yes.
1535269;1473195905;asciilifeform;but i was speaking specifically re tropos.
1535270;1473195931;asciilifeform;these are 'heavy industry' items, a la the siemens product starring in stuxnet.
1535271;1473196027;mircea_popescu;but can they accelerate in apprehending!
1535272;1473196073;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:536/to:536#536 << eh fuck 'em, let them read the log like everyone else.
1535273;1473196086;asciilifeform;btw, the 5 tropos boxen poppes so far appear to all be in athens, ohio.
1535274;1473196088;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1535275;1473196094;asciilifeform;*popped
1535276;1473196132;mircea_popescu;maybe that's where the cosmic rays are.
1535277;1473196181;asciilifeform;prolly where the most tropos per /16 block on planet3...
1535278;1473196189;asciilifeform;(their test plant ?)
1535279;1473196206;asciilifeform;'birthday' effect, recall.
1535280;1473196243;mircea_popescu;aha.
1535281;1473196569;asciilifeform;tropos is part of the 'vertical and horizontal' thing, in the sense where it is one of two dozen or so 'partners' for making sure that usg knows daily output, in millilitres, of oil well in venezuela, or that if texas breaks away from the ussa, it will not have working sewage pumps, etc.
1535282;1473196595;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : when nixon and rockefeller were negotiating the treaty of fifth avenue, nixon's / gop's "platform committee" was in a hotel in chicago. they were on the phone for four hours ; but midway, as midnight came by, THE HOTEL OPERATOR PULLED THE PLUG AND WENT HOME.
1535283;1473196601;asciilifeform;it is not part of the 'monkey' net that includes 'corporate sites' etc.
1535284;1473196601;mircea_popescu;the guy was not shot. this is supposedly a country.
1535285;1473196624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these two items are not distinct.
1535286;1473196631;mircea_popescu;also in the news, cancer has no organs.
1535287;1473196639;asciilifeform;in that sense, not, aha.
1535288;1473196783;mircea_popescu;(in case anyone is curious where this nonsense starts, see eg point 2 of the "basic, specific positions" : "2. The vital need of our foreign policy is new political creativity—leading and inspiring the formation, in all great regions of the free world, of confederations, large enough and strong enough to meet modern problems and challenges. We should promptly lead toward the formation of such confederations in the North Atl
1535289;1473196784;mircea_popescu;antic community and in the Western Hemisphere."
1535290;1473197206;asciilifeform;'There must be no price ceiling on America's security.'
1535291;1473197208;asciilifeform;many lulz.
1535292;1473198104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-12-297-01 <<  ahahahahahahahaha
1535293;1473198166;asciilifeform;'This advisory provides mitigation details for a vulnerability that impacts Tropos Wireless Mesh Routers. An independent research group composed of Nadia Heninger (University of California at San Diego), Zakir Durumeric (University of Michigan), Eric Wustrow (University of Michigan), and J. Alex Halderman (University of Michigan) identified an insufficient entropy vulnerabilitya in SSH key generation in Tropos Networks’s wireless n
1535294;1473198166;asciilifeform;etwork router product line. By impersonating the device, an attacker can obtain the credentials of administrative users and perform a Man-in-the-Middle (MitM) attack. Tropos has validated the vulnerability and produced an embedded operating software update that mitigates the reported vulnerability. According to Tropos, products are deployed across several sectors including the transportation, energy, water, emergency services, and cr
1535295;1473198167;asciilifeform;itical manufacturing concentrated in the United States. This vulnerability can be exploited remotely.'
1535296;1473198216;asciilifeform;aka CVE-2012-4898 .
1535297;1473198226;asciilifeform;old noose >
1535298;1473198227;asciilifeform;?
1535299;1473198413;asciilifeform;i'd like to see the stuxnet-style non-fixing fix they pushed out.
1535300;1473198420;asciilifeform;anybody got a tropos whatever ?
1535301;1473198562;asciilifeform;incidentally the cited piece, 'minding your p's and q's', henninger et al ( https://factorable.net/weakkeys12.conference.pdf ) makes 0 mention of tropos.
1535302;1473198571;asciilifeform;so must've been 'seekrit evidence' or wat.
1535303;1473198721;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/wdrgs/?raw=true << mircea_popescuization of above.
1535304;1473198977;mircea_popescu;sooo... it was fixed ?
1535305;1473198986;asciilifeform;'fixed'
1535306;1473199004;mircea_popescu;such a charade by now.
1535307;1473199025;mircea_popescu;oh "anyone can detect 0cost people". really ? who detected nadia chick doesn't actually exist irl ?
1535308;1473199063;asciilifeform;any reason to suppose the chick doesn't exist ?
1535309;1473199088;mircea_popescu;any reason TO SUPPOSE SHE DOES ?
1535310;1473199102;asciilifeform;https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~nadiah << hey phf, consider dropping by there and see..?
1535311;1473199111;mircea_popescu;"oh coincidentally, this name that keeps being dredged up by usg assets as supposed primary source ; which never EVER checks out"
1535312;1473199114;mircea_popescu;such existence.
1535313;1473199123;asciilifeform;eh, i met a buncha these poor sods in the flesh
1535314;1473199127;asciilifeform;boneh, for instance.
1535315;1473199140;mircea_popescu;this is what, the... 5th ? case where "she reported" things she never reported ?
1535316;1473199141;asciilifeform;(or, alternatively, whoever plays their role!11111)
1535317;1473199491;asciilifeform;anybody got a printed, cdrom, or otherwise offline archive of 'CVE' they're willing to swear by ..?
1535318;1473199515;asciilifeform;this is an open call, for l0gz readers.
1535319;1473199538;asciilifeform;mats? boolcrap ?
1535320;1473199575;asciilifeform;i will add that i have not succeeded in turning up any public record of what the vuln actually ~was~
1535321;1473199580;asciilifeform;beyond the statement given by usg.
1535322;1473199589;asciilifeform;which was the 1 paragraph appearing earlier.
1535323;1473199902;*;asciilifeform is lelling over getting usg 'red team 3111111113333337 s333k00000r1t1 job!1111' spam in mailboxes that have been idle for eons
1535324;1473200697;Framedragger;on the basis of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534300 , could someone from l1 please rate scriba? it should then self-voice with deedbot if it detects no voice
1535325;1473200697;a111;Logged on 2016-09-05 14:52 deedbot: Framedragger rated scriba 3 << An instance of a bot I wrote and manage. I trust it with log history, but if it becomes sentient and starts asking for money, do beware.
1535326;1473200753;Framedragger;mircea_popescu et al ^
1535327;1473200754;trinque;!!rate scriba 1 Framedraggerbot
1535328;1473200756;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6riwl/?raw=true
1535329;1473200789;trinque;!!v 9BB4FF83E23F40AC43098DAF7360600C8099645A25F7CA13771988D9FCA12A56
1535330;1473200789;deedbot;trinque rated scriba 1 << Framedraggerbot
1535331;1473200792;Framedragger;much thanks trinque
1535332;1473200795;trinque;cheers
1535333;1473200810;Framedragger;multiple lines - will output up to 5 because spamming is bad: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:629/to:650#629 asdfasdfasdf
1535334;1473200835;Framedragger;good start, good start.
1535335;1473200920;Framedragger;multiple lines - will output up to 5 because spamming is bad: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160830/from:629/to:650#629 asdfasdfasdf
1535336;1473200920;scriba;Logged on 2016-08-30: [1/5] [23:40:33] <Framedragger> echo 'Вопрос' | iconv -t cp1251 | iconv -f koi8-r
1535337;1473200921;scriba;[2/5] [23:40:41] <Framedragger> "koi8-r" ?
1535338;1473200923;scriba;[3/5] [23:41:07] <Framedragger> aha, "issue", encoded in some grotesque way
1535339;1473200923;scriba;[4/5] [23:41:26] <mircea_popescu> yeah
1535340;1473200924;scriba;[5/5] [23:42:13] <Framedragger> КПРФ -> йопт HAHAHA
1535341;1473200963;Framedragger;process managed by upstart, will restart if needed etc. let's see if it pisses people off :p
1535342;1473200996;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/2018/01/01/#1
1535343;1473200997;trinque;the numbering at the front is probably unnecessary.
1535344;1473201002;trinque;but otherwise very nice
1535345;1473201040;Framedragger;it won't do the numbering if it's just a single line, like http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:1/to:1#1
1535346;1473201040;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-06: [00:00:01] <asciilifeform> again who the fuck needs a rustbucket that costs a dollar per metre to move??!
1535347;1473201049;Framedragger;but maybe you're right
1535348;1473201061;*;trinque can count to five :D
1535349;1473201093;Framedragger;hmm.. yeah :D
1535350;1473201093;Framedragger;right, off to watch film, will monitor things.
1535351;1473202725;asciilifeform;very nifty
1535352;1473202851;mircea_popescu;$rate scriba 1 Framedragger 's bot
1535353;1473202854;mircea_popescu;!!rate scriba 1 Framedragger 's bot
1535354;1473202855;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/qd3e5/?raw=true
1535355;1473202875;mircea_popescu;!!v 724D09772202F2F5E15334DB6031186C230D767D5272FEB4EFFFCBFC6F55D4CD
1535356;1473202876;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated scriba 1 << Framedragger 's bot
1535357;1473202920;mircea_popescu;win.
1535358;1473202950;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/2016/01/01/#1
1535359;1473202984;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160906/from:474/to:474#474
1535360;1473202984;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-06: [19:34:58] <asciilifeform>                              A T E N C A O
1535361;1473202996;mircea_popescu;i suspect this might become a meme.
1535362;1473203525;asciilifeform;lel
1535363;1473204067;mod6;so yesterdays discussion got me thinking about a lisp machine (lisp-cpu) with verilog on a fpga
1535364;1473204121;mod6;there are some projects out there seems like, in this vein.
1535365;1473204167;mod6;alf, you ever attempt anything like this?
1535366;1473204182;mod6;or is that what you were kinda talking about here, but ran ut of time: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-22#1455140
1535367;1473204182;a111;Logged on 2016-04-22 01:47 asciilifeform: i actually spent the first ~6 mo. after i bought the lisp machine, trying to rig up, with fpga, a mechanism to read the fucking disk
1535368;1473204293;trinque;^ was an endeavor to bolt modern disk to the thing iirc
1535369;1473204312;mod6;yeah, im not super clear on the whole thing.
1535370;1473204324;mod6;so forget that maybe.. just wondering if anyone has tried this before?
1535371;1473204394;mircea_popescu;if someone made a fpga-based clone of the symbolics machine that'd prolly get a bunch of people to wet their pants.
1535372;1473204424;asciilifeform;mod6: i have entire www dedicated to it.
1535373;1473204439;asciilifeform;all forms of it.
1535374;1473204448;asciilifeform;and we had at least half a dozen threads, e.g.,
1535375;1473204451;asciilifeform;$s sdram
1535376;1473204451;a111;26 results for "sdram", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sdram
1535377;1473204460;asciilifeform;$s xilinx
1535378;1473204460;a111;96 results for "xilinx", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=xilinx
1535379;1473204462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it doesn't HAVE to use sdram though does it.
1535380;1473204466;trinque;all roads lead to make 50 billion dollars, then cry as alf says it's not enough
1535381;1473204485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it can use sram. which is what i've been playing with for past year or so.
1535382;1473204486;mod6;yeah, alright, i'll take a look.
1535383;1473204490;mod6;thanks alf
1535384;1473204495;asciilifeform;but go and convince anyone to use a box with 2MB.
1535385;1473204505;mircea_popescu;depends what for.
1535386;1473204509;asciilifeform;(sram costs like plutonium.)
1535387;1473204515;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1535388;1473204541;asciilifeform;and the real boojum is that it isn't even AVAILABLE in more than 8 or so MB per die.
1535389;1473204544;asciilifeform;for any price afaik.
1535390;1473204552;mircea_popescu;you can have 4mb for ~5 bux iirc
1535391;1473204572;trinque;asciilifeform: looks like you've been doing marketing for a non-existent networking gear company all day
1535392;1473204576;trinque;great marketing
1535393;1473204581;mircea_popescu;lol
1535394;1473204631;mircea_popescu;Alliance Memory AS6C8008-55ZIN SRAM Memory, 8Mbit, 2.7 → 5.5 V, 55ns 44-Pin TSOP << available from ~$5 for orders over 2k.
1535395;1473204641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 8Mbit == 1MB.
1535396;1473204659;mircea_popescu;so you know, for five grand you got a gb.
1535397;1473204662;asciilifeform;and i actually have a board with that part on.
1535398;1473204669;asciilifeform;but understand, speed of light is finite
1535399;1473204676;asciilifeform;and signal here does not travel in vacuum, either.
1535400;1473204701;trinque;there's really no arguing for going up the stairs is there
1535401;1473204703;mircea_popescu;sure. but the idea here is to build an upgraded symbolics machine ; not to build a competitor for current intel offerings.
1535402;1473204704;trinque;vs up the wall
1535403;1473204710;asciilifeform;the five grand does not buy 'same as your pc', it buys something quite rather more like what is in my bolix 3620.
1535404;1473204720;mircea_popescu;dude. no fucking body wants "same as your pc".
1535405;1473204726;mircea_popescu;i already got my pc.
1535406;1473204760;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is willing to live with 500nsec seeks ?
1535407;1473204764;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/sI1dK << subj.
1535408;1473204768;mircea_popescu;depends what it's doing!
1535409;1473204791;mircea_popescu;http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lofmkgdT9Z1qkmr3do1_500.gif << example of 500msec seeks.
1535410;1473204802;asciilifeform;lel
1535411;1473204815;asciilifeform;sdram was not, unfortunately, the only device in the shitlist either.
1535412;1473204823;mircea_popescu;yes ? nature lives with half second seeks for some data transfer applications.
1535413;1473204831;asciilifeform;i was able to make 10baseT ethernet meet timing spec without using xilinxisms
1535414;1473204835;asciilifeform;but not 100.
1535415;1473204847;asciilifeform;ditto pata, but not sata.
1535416;1473204857;asciilifeform;usb1 but not usb2/3.
1535417;1473204858;mircea_popescu;i dunno who authorized this approach of "try to symbolics-clone ibm at" ; but it wasn't me.
1535418;1473204885;asciilifeform;well do you want a box with no i/o at all, or wat.
1535419;1473204899;mircea_popescu;!~search splitting
1535420;1473204899;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: There were no matching configuration variables.
1535421;1473204900;asciilifeform;'lisp doesn't need i/o' -- asciilifeform's brother
1535422;1473204901;trinque;none of that is "no"
1535423;1473204957;mircea_popescu;there is a clear market in high assurance hardware to do things such as signing, encrypting and bitcoin payments where time is not a concern.
1535424;1473204964;asciilifeform;trinque: it does add up to '0 chance of running bitcoin' tho.
1535425;1473204968;mircea_popescu;not so.
1535426;1473204975;asciilifeform;it has hard time spec.
1535427;1473204997;mircea_popescu;life lesson here for you alf : you start, anything, by doing what it does well. NOT by trying and failing to do what other things do well.
1535428;1473205006;mircea_popescu;nevermind the $random-arbitrary-application.
1535429;1473205050;mircea_popescu;i dunno why the fuck this error is so common, but it dominates anglosphere. "white knight" = dude who is trying not to be a good dude, but to be the best chick he could possibly be.
1535430;1473205062;mircea_popescu;why the fuck ? no chick wants a gf ; esp not a shitty emulation in male hardware.
1535431;1473205064;mircea_popescu;and yet...
1535432;1473205093;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/06/the-revolutions-just-keep-revolving-dont-they/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The revolutions just keep revolving don’t they.
1535433;1473205138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i must point out that there is NO application where 'time does not matter'. for instance,
1535434;1473205148;mircea_popescu;yes, there is. i just gave you a few.
1535435;1473205164;asciilifeform;i have not succeeded in coming up with a 6502 rsatron that manages to generate a key before the battery (of any reasonable size) and the owner's patience give way.
1535436;1473205169;mircea_popescu;i literally do not care if preparing the signed copies of warrants for s.mg takes a minute or a month.
1535437;1473205170;asciilifeform;because the thing didn't have a multiplier.
1535438;1473205178;mircea_popescu;if i know they take a month i just start a month early.
1535439;1473205194;asciilifeform;you'd like the thing to be the size of a breadbox ?
1535440;1473205202;mircea_popescu;we';re not discussing 6052 here. stop moving things around.
1535441;1473205207;asciilifeform;it was example.
1535442;1473205226;mircea_popescu;it was either horrible example made by dysfunctional brain ; or else deliberate attemt to spoke conversation wheel.
1535443;1473205239;mircea_popescu;we're discussing here, modern clone of symbolics machine, or a similar item.
1535444;1473205240;asciilifeform;example of an actual dead end that i had to explore the hard way.
1535445;1473205260;mircea_popescu;yes, but a z80 clone chip is no sort of fpga forcrying out loud.
1535446;1473205269;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it would be a terrible application for it, for 'high assurance' you want the MINIMUM TRANSISTOR COUNT
1535447;1473205272;asciilifeform;this is hard concept ?
1535448;1473205281;mircea_popescu;i gotta prototype sometime.
1535449;1473205301;asciilifeform;prototype - yes.
1535450;1473205307;mircea_popescu;well wtf are we discussing.
1535451;1473205316;asciilifeform;the field?
1535452;1473205317;mircea_popescu;so - yes, there'd be applications where time isn't the criterion.
1535453;1473205369;asciilifeform;they are solely of 'harem' (vs 'forum') type.
1535454;1473205379;*;asciilifeform brb, meat
1535455;1473205382;mircea_popescu;as in examples given ?
1535456;1473205385;mircea_popescu;i dunno.
1535457;1473206484;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1535458;1473206486;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 428610 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 797 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 17 hours, 36 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1535459;1473206513;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1535460;1473206519;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 608.93, vol: 4038.84594708 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 608.253, vol: 4853.26157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 615.2, vol: 3078.1683089 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 612.746414, vol: 146496.84330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 613.318, vol: 486.39297549 | Volume-weighted last average: 612.561510532
1535461;1473206537;shinohai;Notice jhvh1 doesn't require a "more"
1535462;1473206553;BingoBoingo;nice
1535463;1473206563;BingoBoingo;!~ty
1535464;1473206564;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1535465;1473206778;mircea_popescu;you know this "you are very welcome daddy" think keeps reminding me of this ... i don't recall, maybe a succession of sms captions ? where a clearly competent streetwalker (of the sort that lives on street most days, checks into motel now and again) was assuring some random dude that she doesn't mind his friend beating her up.
1535466;1473206781;trinque;shinohai: nice!
1535467;1473206782;mircea_popescu;ex post facto.
1535468;1473206866;shinohai;trinque: thx I just always found it annoying griible required a ;;more when it all fits in 2 lines fine.
1535469;1473207052;trinque;shinohai: yes but otherwise it wouldn't have had room for the ;;more
1535470;1473207057;mircea_popescu;lol
1535471;1473207088;Framedragger;[restarting]
1535472;1473207135;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well even with bots the patriarchy must be established
1535473;1473207492;mircea_popescu;do you recall this thing ?
1535474;1473207522;BingoBoingo;I am trying too
1535475;1473207542;BingoBoingo;brb sobriety time!
1535476;1473207568;mircea_popescu;lol
1535477;1473207636;*;shinohai considers adding the Big Book to the scriptorium for BingoBoingo
1535478;1473207688;BingoBoingo;You don't need to add the whole thing. Just the steps and the traditions.
1535479;1473208263;mircea_popescu;just in case anyone's weird tank was running low, http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/claudia-jordan-admits-to-abortion/
1535480;1473208477;asciilifeform;Framedragger: bot dead ?
1535481;1473208494;asciilifeform;or hm, nm.
1535482;1473208513;shinohai;!~step1
1535483;1473208513;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
1535484;1473208520;shinohai;bwahahahha
1535485;1473208530;asciilifeform;l0l!
1535486;1473208710;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/jsoCp << in other lulz
1535487;1473208811;asciilifeform;'The Data Protection Commissioner is convinced, her supervision authority also extends „to SUSLAG and its staff members“. Therefore, she wanted to inspect this core area of BND-NSA collaboration. But the BND also blocked these attempts. The Commissioner and her staff are not allowed to enter the building and not even allowed to know how many people work there...'
1535488;1473208840;asciilifeform;'While the Data Protection Commissioner was examining the BND in Bad Aibling, the secret service ramped up its equipment for 300 million Euros. And while the Commissioner waited for an answer to her report from the Chancellery, the government drafted a reform bill for the BND that not only legalizes the organization’s actions, but even increases its powers. This legislative package is scheduled to be adopted this year and will pres
1535489;1473208840;asciilifeform;umably come into effect at the beginning of next year.'
1535490;1473209032;mircea_popescu;heh
1535491;1473209051;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-16#798881 << see also.
1535492;1473209051;a111;Logged on 2014-08-16 21:39 asciilifeform: 'mr carter, you aren't cleared for this, and if you ask again there will be problems.'
1535493;1473209054;mircea_popescu;a government can never be solvent ; a government can never operate legally.
1535494;1473209528;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1535495;1473209663;*;asciilifeform rereading vintage golden lulzies, http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-107389
1535496;1473209687;asciilifeform;'These aren't people assembled for an actual reason, as a result of merits. These are people whose merits are supposed to be predicated on the mere fact of having been assembled. Not quite the same thing.'
1535497;1473210231;asciilifeform;from somewhere therein, moar gold,
1535498;1473210243;asciilifeform;' Anyone who doesn’t know what he knows or who doesn’t behave/speak in the conventional way these developers speak is merely a troll, not worthy to partake in a discussion among the priests. And in his view Henson is simply too big to fail, too big to be held accountable for his actions, in this or any case, because he is part of the crypto establishment. We see these same patterns in politics and banking for example – it’s e
1535499;1473210243;asciilifeform;litism, simply put. The 1%. ... It’s much like politics – one wants to throw out the lot of them and start from scratch with real people. I know for a fact I don’t want either of these people working on security-related code in MY OS. Get lost, permanently!'
1535500;1473210251;asciilifeform;( https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa )
1535501;1473210256;*;asciilifeform somehow missed.
1535502;1473210333;asciilifeform;same fella still shouts into the wilderness, e.g., https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2015/06/13/openwashing-and-other-deceptions-in-linux/ ,
1535503;1473210344;asciilifeform;'Remember Heartbleed? Don’t let that example escape your attention. OpenSSL is open, yet it is so large and poorly designed that it’s a dark mystery. Heartbleed was easily shown to be a deliberate hack, and was even deliberately coded to hide itself from tools that would otherwise have shown the leak. And it was sitting there in ‘open’ sight. Instead of using small, well-reviewed crypto libraries, corporate Linux developers c
1535504;1473210344;asciilifeform;hoose to use corporate-maintained tools like OpenSSL, which are deeply compromised. Do you think the people responsible for HeartBleed were held accountable, and fundamental changes were made? Guess again. It’s simply ignored by most of Linux. (You’ll notice real UNIXes like OpenBSD did not ignore it and have begun serious changes. Yet even there, it took such a serious, obvious exploit for them to see the engineering problem.)'
1535505;1473210378;asciilifeform;'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the easy-to-use, polished distros, you’re no longer really using Linux. You’re just fooli
1535506;1473210378;asciilifeform;ng yourself, and they’re fooling you. Nor will systemd be the end of it – it’s just the beginning, the setup for future changes.'
1535507;1473211691;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wiki.tulpa.info/Official/FAQ << a (supposed) reader mailed this in. parody? or...
1535508;1473212143;asciilifeform;$up alice_
1535509;1473212147;asciilifeform;!!up alice_
1535510;1473212148;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1535511;1473212157;asciilifeform;there you are.
1535512;1473212186;asciilifeform;... hello ?
1535513;1473212269;alice_;hi! today i'm reading {The Timeless Way of Building}. i'm curious if you've read anything by Christopher Alexander
1535514;1473212288;asciilifeform;can't say that i have.
1535515;1473212303;asciilifeform;maybe danielpbarron ?
1535516;1473212342;alice_;mm. it's a mix of theoretical and applied architecture. generalizes nicely to all of design.
1535517;1473212348;asciilifeform;'Christopher Alexander is Emeritus Professor of Architecture at the University of California, Berkeley, best known for his seminal works on architecture including A Pattern Language, Notes on the Synthesis of Form, and The Nature of Order, Volumes I-IV. He is the father of the Pattern Language movement in computer science, and A Pattern Language was perhaps the first complete book ever written in hypertext fashion.'
1535518;1473212389;alice_;that's the one
1535519;1473212412;asciilifeform;i see 'design patterns' as language bug.
1535520;1473212449;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401 << as described here.
1535521;1473212506;*;shinohai wonders if this is the alice_ he is always reading about in gpg manuals.
1535522;1473212560;alice_;if i had a dollar every time somebody made that joke
1535523;1473212594;asciilifeform;http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecological_Building/A_Pattern_Language.pdf << 1333337 w4r3z. but my impression is - claptrap.
1535524;1473212665;shinohai;Glad I could do my part to make it economically viable for you.
1535525;1473212694;asciilifeform;i'ma read the thing anyway, because i am an 'entomologist'.
1535526;1473212718;asciilifeform;but cannot make guarantee of result.
1535527;1473212794;alice_;i read http://www.loper-os.org/?p=401. it doesn't mention design patterns. i'm p sure i can guess correctly the bad thing it's complaining about, but i didn't get a model for how design patterns are a language bug
1535528;1473212821;asciilifeform;http://www.rainmagazine.com/archive/2014/gatemaker << reads like ted nelson.
1535529;1473212826;asciilifeform;which is not a bad thing.
1535530;1473212839;asciilifeform;alice_: if i see a pattern, i write a macro and it vanishes.
1535531;1473212843;asciilifeform;which is why we have macro.
1535532;1473212845;alice_;{A Pattern Language} is a book about the specific pattern language he built for architecture; http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Ecological_Building/The_Timeless_Way_of_Building_Complete.pdf is the theory book
1535533;1473212894;alice_;right, macro is an excellent way to use patterns in code (and is itself a pattern)
1535534;1473212973;asciilifeform;macro ~removes~ pattern. as in increasing the entropy (per, say, kolmogorov, or even chaitin's criterion) of the program.
1535535;1473213009;asciilifeform;quite like what, elsewhere, a well-written compressor does.
1535536;1473213030;alice_;list[:-1] vs (drop-last list)
1535537;1473213060;asciilifeform;!!up boolcrap
1535538;1473213061;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1535539;1473213065;boolcrap;yo
1535540;1473213071;boolcrap;stan you got cycles?
1535541;1473213096;asciilifeform;hola señor boolcrap
1535542;1473213108;asciilifeform;eh?
1535543;1473213126;boolcrap;sieg heil  stan joseph joseph goebbels
1535544;1473213136;boolcrap;sorry forgot his spelling
1535545;1473213145;boolcrap;had to google, then pasted pad.
1535546;1473213149;asciilifeform;Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein boolcrap .
1535547;1473213151;boolcrap;^bad
1535548;1473213153;boolcrap;lol
1535549;1473213160;asciilifeform;alice_: ick nonhomoiconic syntax.
1535550;1473213181;boolcrap;you getting alot of work done alf?
1535551;1473213194;asciilifeform;megatonnes.
1535552;1473213199;boolcrap;nice
1535553;1473213205;asciilifeform;and you ?
1535554;1473213226;boolcrap;i finally got official access to the place i am a contractor for
1535555;1473213234;alice_;afaict christopher alexander is using "pattern" to mean a basic component of language, not the thing which macros remove
1535556;1473213238;boolcrap;but I have learned from you well so
1535557;1473213241;boolcrap;i set the bar very low for myself
1535558;1473213253;boolcrap;im going to stan the crap out of these guys in your honor!
1535559;1473213265;asciilifeform;lel boolcrap , what have you even been doing all of this time.
1535560;1473213287;boolcrap;they have me doing odd jobs, doing prep work for a RE course they teaching at UM
1535561;1473213318;boolcrap;also ive been working not-bare-iron1.0
1535562;1473213318;alice_;i feel ick about nonhomoiconic *and* never-infix
1535563;1473213353;asciilifeform;what's so great about infix.
1535564;1473213369;asciilifeform;i could live the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
1535565;1473213372;alice_;seems to be a lot more natural language for a lot of humans for a lot of things
1535566;1473213381;alice_;maybe not you :) but me.
1535567;1473213390;alice_;invertible compilers solve that problem tho pretty nicely
1535568;1473213438;*;asciilifeform brb, meat
1535569;1473213441;asciilifeform;!!up alice_
1535570;1473213442;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1535571;1473213445;asciilifeform;!!up boolcrap
1535572;1473213445;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1535573;1473213460;asciilifeform;entertain one another, dear guests.
1535574;1473213474;asciilifeform;i'ma meat for a spell.
1535575;1473213481;alice_;i haven't figured out how to scale them up to something as syntax-complicated as javascript but i've found 80/20s pretty useful for practical infixy needs
1535576;1473213492;alice_;transpilers
1535577;1473213585;alice_;i seriously tried lisp, i spent hundreds of hours coding in a variety of lisps, including clojure (ugh) and arc (lovely but it was for a production web server and it was completely unsuited to the purpose)
1535578;1473213617;alice_;i don't think as easy without shit like x/2 and list[:-1]
1535579;1473214292;alice_;dsls i'm proud of
1535580;1473214297;alice_;┌───────────── [ ──────────────┐ ┌───────────── ⇧[ ─────────────┐
1535581;1473214298;alice_;│ _ ¹ ² ³ ⁴ ⁵ ⁶ ⁷ ⁸ ⁹ ⁰ ⁻ ⁼ _  │ │ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ⁽ ⁾ _ ⁺ _  │
1535582;1473214301;alice_;│  _ X ʷ ᵉ ʳ ᵗ ʸ ᵘ ⁱ ᵒ ᵖ _ _ _ │ │  _ X ᵂ ᴱ ᴿ ᵀ X ᵁ ᴵ ᴼ ᴾ _ _ _ │
1535583;1473214303;alice_;│  _ ᵃ ˢ ᵈ ᶠ ᵍ ʰ ʲ ᵏ ˡ _ _  _  │ │  _ ᴬ ᴮ ᴰ X ᴳ ᴴ ᴶ ᴷ ᴸ _ _  _  │
1535584;1473214305;alice_;│  _  ᶻ ˣ ᶜ ᵛ ᵇ ⁿ ᵐ _ _ _  _   │ │  _  X X X ⱽ X ᴺ ᴹ _ _ _  _   │
1535585;1473214308;alice_;└──────────────────────────────┘ └──────────────────────────────┘
1535586;1473214326;alice_;a homoiconic format for binding keyboard keys
1535587;1473214346;alice_;sort of, i think i misuse homoiconic
1535588;1473214434;trinque;uh
1535589;1473214439;trinque;what do you think it means?
1535590;1473214569;alice_;the program structure is similar to its syntax. in this case, the code for shift is ⇧ and can be typed by ⏻⇧
1535591;1473214589;alice_;& the syntax is similar to a literal keyboard when possible
1535592;1473214634;alice_;that's {power key}⇧ if you haven't installed any exotic fonts. it's macbook-specific.
1535593;1473214670;trinque;mkay
1535594;1473214673;trinque;so, what brought you here?
1535595;1473214715;alice_;asciilifeform seems potentially entertaining
1535596;1473214729;alice_; /interesting
1535597;1473214806;trinque;can't argue with that.
1535598;1473214839;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is this then
1535599;1473214839;boolcrap;he is actually the most interesting man alive
1535600;1473214860;trinque;mircea_popescu: somebody got out her crayons
1535601;1473214867;boolcrap;at our old job we hired him just so he would come out to lunch with us
1535602;1473214888;mircea_popescu;is this gabriel laddel v2.0 or ?
1535603;1473215008;trinque;alice_: are you homeless by chance?
1535604;1473215034;alice_;no, why
1535605;1473215044;mircea_popescu;just a stray thought.
1535606;1473215087;alice_;what
1535607;1473215231;alice_;you give cute insults tho
1535608;1473215238;alice_;i am entertained :)
1535609;1473215256;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:50/to:50#50 << this much is certainly true
1535610;1473215257;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:06:18] <asciilifeform> 'Really, I think it’s too late for mainstream “Linux”. It’s gone. It’s done. Geeks of the world were easily fooled by a shiny new toy and a corporate propaganda campaign to match, without considering the engineering implications. You can still use a real (systemd-free) version of Linux, or move toward the BSDs, but if you stay with the
1535611;1473215258;scriba;easy-to-use, polished distros, you’re no longer really using Linux. You’re just fooli
1535612;1473215320;mircea_popescu;!!up alice_
1535613;1473215321;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1535614;1473215432;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:102/to:102#102 << guy does what usians are known for, take random item from the scenery, write his name on it, strut around proudly.
1535615;1473215432;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:53:54] <alice_> afaict christopher alexander is using "pattern" to mean a basic component of language, not the thing which macros remove
1535616;1473215546;alice_;so
1535617;1473215637;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:111/to:111#111 << it's funny that THIS antipattern you recognize. yes, it's the macula of intellectual degeneracy ; and not coincidentally rapspeech is fulla infixen.
1535618;1473215638;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [01:56:09] <asciilifeform> i could live the rest of my life without infix, quite happily.
1535619;1473215745;alice_;why are you so angry?
1535620;1473215757;mircea_popescu;i'm merely strict.
1535621;1473215795;alice_;mm, not my fetish. as long as you get off on it :)
1535622;1473215815;mircea_popescu;who are you again ?
1535623;1473215860;alice_;clarify
1535624;1473216024;alice_;what do you mean, who am i?
1535625;1473216048;mircea_popescu;that, literally. who are you.
1535626;1473216113;alice_;i'm alice. i haven't interacted with this channel before. but i don't imagine that's the answer you're hoping for
1535627;1473216133;*;mircea_popescu is vaguely unsurprised that rando who spends his time vaguely considering "invertible compilers" for, obviously, javascript, has yet to actually produce a definition for itself.
1535628;1473216143;alice_;her
1535629;1473216168;alice_;i take it back, your insults are annoying
1535630;1473216290;mircea_popescu;what do you think an insult is ?
1535631;1473216304;alice_;your mom
1535632;1473216313;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1535633;1473216516;ben_vulpes;in other news, the much-maligned littoral combat ships can't keep water out of their engine lube systems and so the surface force commander has ordered the entire 'fleet' stand down
1535634;1473216530;mircea_popescu;how many were they ? a dozen yet ?
1535635;1473216569;ben_vulpes;if even that
1535636;1473216612;ben_vulpes;one apparently destroyed an engine ("engineering casualty") and another hosed it's combining gears?!
1535637;1473216614;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, womenz also can't keep seawater out of their engine lube system, which is why surffucking is so strictly limited to teenagers.
1535638;1473216631;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i recall a month or so ago when this happened and they tried to blame it on the crew.
1535639;1473216632;ben_vulpes;thank goodness for perl
1535640;1473216683;ben_vulpes;ofc blame it on the crew, what is lockheed to deliver serviceable machines with complete manuals all of a sudden?
1535641;1473216689;mircea_popescu;but since it's invertible compiler day, http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-russia-china-should-fear-americas-littoral-combat-ships-17440
1535642;1473216690;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535582 << what am i looking at here?
1535643;1473216690;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 02:11 alice_: │  _ X ʷ ᵉ ʳ ᵗ ʸ ᵘ ⁱ ᵒ ᵖ _ _ _ │ │  _ X ᵂ ᴱ ᴿ ᵀ X ᵁ ᴵ ᴼ ᴾ _ _ _ │
1535644;1473216723;alice_;https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/dotfiles/.keyrc
1535645;1473216777;ben_vulpes;subject of manuals, a onetime airforce honcho straigh up vetoed the delivery of f22 manuals in xml (!), as pilots couldn't take the un-sensitive stuff home without also taking the sensitive stuff home as it was delivered
1535646;1473216804;asciilifeform;alice_: apl, 'j', 'k' aficionado?
1535647;1473216812;ben_vulpes;and also, approximating his words "look with all the software problems they'd already delivered in the planes i wasn't about to impose more on the poor pilots during their studies. plus, opportunity to hose the suppliers."
1535648;1473216815;asciilifeform;'lucid' ?
1535649;1473216855;alice_;asciilifeform: never used any of those. a fan of some of their patterns. i'm a fan of a lot of patterns i've seen in a lot of different existing programming environments.
1535650;1473216871;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes so they printed them ?
1535651;1473216925;asciilifeform;alice_: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/regex_set.ζ << what, then, is this?
1535652;1473216925;alice_;e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns that i don't see in most popular environments
1535653;1473216943;ben_vulpes;typeset properly and segregated vault-reading from home-reading as the story goes
1535654;1473216956;ben_vulpes;same guy was running ops when they took the f22s over the international date line
1535655;1473216969;ben_vulpes;"hooo boy lemme tell you about the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted on *that* mission!"
1535656;1473216979;ben_vulpes;"..."
1535657;1473216993;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as opposed to well-spent on other missions?
1535658;1473216994;ben_vulpes;"at which point we had ready teams hot on airfields on 2 continents!"
1535659;1473217009;ben_vulpes;well, what, as
1535660;1473217021;ben_vulpes;^^ disregard
1535661;1473217025;alice_;asciilifeform: prints a regex character class which matches all of the code points in utf8 stdin
1535662;1473217039;asciilifeform;in what?
1535663;1473217045;trinque;more importantly, are you now, or have you ever been a brony
1535664;1473217064;mircea_popescu;80/20.
1535665;1473217066;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: nobody's claiming the dollars are ever well spent, or that fucking is done in some new way
1535666;1473217089;alice_;asciilifeform: ? like, if i paste the last several lines into it, i get \n -#'-:<>?LMX[\]-\_a-pr-zʳʷʸζᴱᴵᴼᴾ-ᵂᵉᵒᵖ-ᵘⁱ│
1535667;1473217104;asciilifeform;in ~what~ ??
1535668;1473217109;alice_;stdout
1535669;1473217114;asciilifeform;my bash doesn't have a lambda.
1535670;1473217115;mircea_popescu;this is going well.
1535671;1473217118;ben_vulpes;(but hey that particular porno is worth a watch, and that particular report of wastage entertaining)
1535672;1473217123;asciilifeform;dunno where you got yours, alice_ .
1535673;1473217127;asciilifeform;jupiter?
1535674;1473217142;asciilifeform;!!up alice_
1535675;1473217143;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1535676;1473217161;alice_;oh, are you asking what regex_set.ζ is written in? it's ζ, which is almost javascript
1535677;1473217209;alice_;http://pastebin.com/raw/twiJaniQ
1535678;1473217307;alice_;i can do Normal Startup Coding Style if i want to, i just hate it so i don't when i don't have to
1535679;1473217411;alice_;trinque: i don't like your face
1535680;1473217441;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel
1535681;1473217441;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1535682;1473217448;trinque;!!down alice_
1535683;1473217457;asciilifeform;!!up alice_
1535684;1473217457;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1535685;1473217465;asciilifeform;trinque: let it live
1535686;1473217477;*;trinque oinks a bit, allows
1535687;1473217495;asciilifeform;trinque: how we gonna know what it is if we don't plant it in agar.
1535688;1473217509;mircea_popescu;invertible agar ?
1535689;1473217516;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: meet alice_ .
1535690;1473217543;asciilifeform;who had the honour of being suspected of being gabriel_laddel-in-his-cups
1535691;1473217549;asciilifeform;eh.
1535692;1473217562;mircea_popescu;maybe he's offended.
1535693;1473217572;asciilifeform;did his modem run out of petrol or wut.
1535694;1473217603;alice_;usually i run modems on vegetable oil
1535695;1473217614;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didntcha post a photo of an invertible toilet once?
1535696;1473217626;asciilifeform;i cannot help but think of it now.
1535697;1473217714;mircea_popescu;possibly ? what'd it invert to ?
1535698;1473217761;asciilifeform;there was a box for a head at the outlet.
1535699;1473217785;mircea_popescu;aw fuck.... this is vaguely familiar...
1535700;1473217787;asciilifeform;manned, so to speak, on both ends.
1535701;1473217803;trinque;there's a whole genre of japanese porn of this
1535702;1473217864;asciilifeform;alice_: where do you keep the lambda on your physical kbd ?
1535703;1473217867;trinque;http://www.nudepetgirls.com/wp-content/images/human-furniture-sdms591.jpg << check it out, all kinds of furniture
1535704;1473217893;mircea_popescu;girlfurniture surely is a large fetish thing.
1535705;1473217901;*;asciilifeform sees odd leg count, EGGOGs
1535706;1473217920;mircea_popescu;YOU DON'T NEED ALL LEGS TO TABLE!
1535707;1473217920;*;asciilifeform then notices mirror.
1535708;1473217928;alice_;;l (chord of semicolon and L) , defined in https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/dotfiles/.keyrc#L10
1535709;1473217945;mircea_popescu;it's not mirror, it's just girl with black shoes has right leg behind white shoe's lef
1535710;1473217945;asciilifeform;or wait.
1535711;1473217950;asciilifeform;lel
1535712;1473217966;asciilifeform;alice_: chord?!
1535713;1473217998;asciilifeform;not even shift-meta etc, but chord!?
1535714;1473218011;asciilifeform;what if my right hand is tired.
1535715;1473218015;asciilifeform;what then.
1535716;1473218019;alice_;yes. if the keys are pressed within a small number of milliseconds.
1535717;1473218038;alice_;then you are a person whose right hand gets tired and you should not use this exact system
1535718;1473218042;asciilifeform;i know what is a chord.
1535719;1473218058;BingoBoingo;!~step5
1535720;1473218058;jhvh1;5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
1535721;1473218066;trinque;lol
1535722;1473218079;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861 << proper chords are 1handed.
1535723;1473218084;mircea_popescu;^
1535724;1473218091;alice_;semicolon L is one handed
1535725;1473218115;alice_;all chords i use frequently are one handed
1535726;1473218143;asciilifeform;lambda yes
1535727;1473218147;asciilifeform;alpha no.
1535728;1473218192;alice_;i don't use α frequently
1535729;1473218211;alice_;i added sd as a chord for ι because i do use ι frequently
1535730;1473218227;asciilifeform;for what.
1535731;1473218228;alice_;it's my Standard pronoun, my It
1535732;1473218237;alice_;most programmers use x or value
1535733;1473218258;alice_;if they're smart enough to use a standard pronoun :P
1535734;1473218273;asciilifeform;what's wrong with 'it' ?
1535735;1473218289;trinque;or describing the damned value
1535736;1473218291;asciilifeform;as per grahm's original anaphorics system
1535737;1473218294;alice_;violates huffman coding
1535738;1473218300;alice_;huffman coding is important
1535739;1473218308;asciilifeform;how does it violate ?
1535740;1473218310;alice_;short variables for simple common things; longer names for less common things
1535741;1473218315;alice_;more complex things
1535742;1473218329;mircea_popescu;god almighty, it's like a pregnant idiot delivered stupid all over the fucking logs already.
1535743;1473218330;alice_;a powerful pattern
1535744;1473218333;mircea_popescu;are you almost done asciilifeform ?
1535745;1473218334;asciilifeform;if i have to press 2 keys, it is 2 keys long.
1535746;1473218349;alice_;so use x
1535747;1473218359;alice_;i don't mind pressing s and d at the same time, myself
1535748;1473218370;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think this was sent to us as gift from ze godz per this morning's thread.
1535749;1473218379;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wins that one.
1535750;1473218412;mircea_popescu;mk, ima go to bed. if anyone wants to talk to me send tells, i'm not gonna be reading this log.
1535751;1473218428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu and alice_ hasn't told us about cultivating multiple personalities yet !!
1535752;1473218459;alice_;i haven't ever interacted with this channel before :(
1535753;1473218471;asciilifeform;but we know how to read...
1535754;1473218489;trinque;asciilifeform: they made more than one y'know
1535755;1473218498;trinque;mass produced even
1535756;1473218504;asciilifeform;trinque: eh wat?
1535757;1473218515;trinque;who are the other posited personalities
1535758;1473218519;alice_;tell me about the thing you're confusing me with, i am curious
1535759;1473218663;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/ApHv4 << ?
1535760;1473218692;trinque;olol
1535761;1473218708;trinque;well I already mentioned another
1535762;1473218721;asciilifeform;trinque: show ?
1535763;1473218735;asciilifeform;'i showed you mine, show me yours!'
1535764;1473218758;alice_;yes, that's me
1535765;1473218803;alice_;do you have questions about me or
1535766;1473218807;asciilifeform;alice_: describe, approximately, what is a you. (e.g., butcher, baker, oil prospector, bankrupt lisp programmer, etc) ?
1535767;1473218841;trinque;https://www.google.com/images?q=alice0meta << brony
1535768;1473218853;asciilifeform;trinque: i have nfi what this is.
1535769;1473218855;alice_;haha
1535770;1473218872;trinque;afaik you identify as a pony or some shit
1535771;1473218881;trinque;alice_: pls explain.
1535772;1473218887;alice_;that's cuz you're an asshole
1535773;1473218891;alice_;i don't actually
1535774;1473218968;asciilifeform;and whatever, maybe alice_ identifies as an old rusted kriegsmarine anchor in scapa flow, scotland.
1535775;1473218970;alice_;asciilifeform: i am a young transhumanist-hopeful type. i've supported myself with programming before; currently i'm living off savings & spending time studying shit
1535776;1473218972;BingoBoingo;<alice_> e.g. ML is a sharp, crystalline beauty, mostly useless for my direct purpose but v inspiring, 'cuz it's got several neat patterns that i don't see in most popular environments << "v inspiring" is a term of art here
1535777;1473218998;alice_;i honestly can't tell if you're insulting me or complimenting me
1535778;1473219002;asciilifeform;alice_: what sort of programming ?
1535779;1473219003;alice_;outside view says insult
1535780;1473219037;asciilifeform;vs what sort of view
1535781;1473219041;alice_;mostly shitty website frontend & backend stuff
1535782;1473219065;asciilifeform;salt mine, eh.
1535783;1473219071;alice_;outside vs inside view; from Kahneman
1535784;1473219085;*;asciilifeform bbl, dinner is served.
1535785;1473219332;BingoBoingo;!~step9
1535786;1473219332;jhvh1;9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
1535787;1473219343;BingoBoingo;^ alf
1535788;1473219385;BingoBoingo;!!up alice_
1535789;1473219385;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1535790;1473219660;BingoBoingo;!~step3
1535791;1473219660;jhvh1;3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
1535792;1473219673;BingoBoingo;^ alice_ see above line
1535793;1473219694;alice_;what
1535794;1473219735;BingoBoingo;work the fucking step in your everyday life, with exactly the desperation of the dying
1535795;1473219752;alice_;um
1535796;1473219771;alice_;i don't do christianity
1535797;1473219833;BingoBoingo;Many tried to find an easier, softer way, but they could not.
1535798;1473219851;BingoBoingo;alice_: Not Xtianity, bolt it onto the belief system of your choice
1535799;1473219903;alice_;i'm looking for a harder, more powerful way
1535800;1473219904;BingoBoingo;Whether God as you understand him is Satan, Our Noodly host, or deedbot
1535801;1473219918;BingoBoingo;alice_: Then go to
1535802;1473219926;BingoBoingo;!~step4
1535803;1473219926;jhvh1;4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
1535804;1473219941;trinque;nb
1535805;1473219954;alice_;p sure i did that
1535806;1473219964;BingoBoingo;k, then
1535807;1473219972;BingoBoingo;!~step5
1535808;1473219973;jhvh1;5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
1535809;1473220040;alice_;am making progress on that. say 70% done.
1535810;1473220068;BingoBoingo;!~step6
1535811;1473220068;jhvh1;6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
1535812;1473220177;alice_;god's an asshole, and it's complicated. i'm ready for anything i can understand as progress.
1535813;1473220237;BingoBoingo;alice_: Well no you aren't because there's lots of logs to read that you haven't. Go back to step2.
1535814;1473220243;BingoBoingo;!!down alice_
1535815;1473220305;BingoBoingo;!~ty shinohai
1535816;1473220305;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1535817;1473220432;BingoBoingo;!!up alice_
1535818;1473220432;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1535819;1473220441;BingoBoingo;!~step2
1535820;1473220441;jhvh1;2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
1535821;1473220516;alice_;you are horrifying
1535822;1473220532;alice_;disgusting
1535823;1473220572;BingoBoingo;But I have an inner peace to match my outer peace. What do you have today?
1535824;1473220609;alice_;inner peace
1535825;1473220618;asciilifeform;i walk out for half hour and they pull the bloody wings off, lol.
1535826;1473220620;alice_;i actually only got it last saturday
1535827;1473220622;alice_;it's really nice
1535828;1473220691;alice_;asciilifeform: i am very confused by the social environment here :P
1535829;1473220706;asciilifeform;alice_: http://btcbase.org/log << enjoy.
1535830;1473220728;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema << other mirror.
1535831;1473220768;BingoBoingo;!~tradition2
1535832;1473220769;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "tradition2" is not a valid command.
1535833;1473220769;alice_;i know that's the log
1535834;1473220788;alice_;$help
1535835;1473220793;BingoBoingo;!~later tell shinohai pls to add 12 traditions
1535836;1473220793;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1535837;1473220807;asciilifeform;alice_: consider registering your pgp pubkey with deedbot.
1535838;1473220824;asciilifeform;alice_: then you will have voice (unless you bore folks to tears or piss them off.)
1535839;1473220834;trinque;!!help
1535840;1473220834;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1535841;1473220867;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I am sorry for playing with the food.
1535842;1473220915;alice_;!!register alice
1535843;1473220916;deedbot;Import failed for alice.
1535844;1473220935;asciilifeform;alice_: you register a pgp pubkey fingerprint.
1535845;1473220952;alice_;so if i have
1535846;1473220953;alice_;-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.55 Comment: https://keybase.io/crypto  xsFNBFevnesBEAC90aLfcq+wrWVKGcQWUd+NmB/0kK7OONd0Tg2OUgfHE2RtZSzG mqgsiAmyPsz+R6B3VwkMd3pBiuAZ8IN/jf0px+iikmo0vvWemsnVTUM0mtyoFecy /qyj1+mwjLrzR7UMDP8789JBwxecY+1fS6k4BQio3gGvmqzGr76sAjTZlIbkPs80 Nr502+QhvfOSjnjFTfQkXrzjrssjJp+jEH0OdkC/UT7H0lCWy957UPklwXlEPnu/ KQbcDoV2HWSEG0hW3Ig7+4qC03Bp0W9Z9lRTYZVIbTnDLJ+z4/J1fMu1EnmZkEKQ aH0SCtgI
1535847;1473220957;alice_;etc
1535848;1473220958;trinque;ahahaha
1535849;1473220959;asciilifeform;nono
1535850;1473220961;trinque;jesus christ
1535851;1473220963;asciilifeform;the longfp.
1535852;1473220976;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-04#1534224
1535853;1473220976;a111;Logged on 2016-09-04 21:02 Nivir: $register 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA
1535854;1473220988;trinque;prefix changed to !!
1535855;1473220989;asciilifeform;lol keybase.
1535856;1473220998;asciilifeform;$s keybase
1535857;1473220999;a111;163 results for "keybase", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=keybase
1535858;1473221020;asciilifeform;alice_: why did you give your private key to a buncha strangers ?
1535859;1473221028;alice_;i don't know what a longfp is
1535860;1473221051;asciilifeform;it looks like, e.g., 4A770EFC84943B04C4001A1D7A788522C8FBE0DA.
1535861;1473221063;trinque;!~step5
1535862;1473221063;jhvh1;5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
1535863;1473221071;trinque;damned useful, this.
1535864;1473221075;asciilifeform;lel
1535865;1473221083;alice_;because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
1535866;1473221092;alice_;assholes
1535867;1473221100;asciilifeform;alice_: it is not too late to learn.
1535868;1473221120;alice_;also, that's not a private key
1535869;1473221134;asciilifeform;alice_: if you generated it on keybase, they have your private.
1535870;1473221180;alice_;sure, i wouldn't use it for anything important
1535871;1473221185;alice_;i've never used a key before
1535872;1473221278;BingoBoingo;<alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything? << See how it works <alice_> because i never learned how it works and also i've never used that key for anything?
1535873;1473221283;asciilifeform;alice_: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it << some introductory material.
1535874;1473221290;BingoBoingo;Sorry, page 58 http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_58.htm
1535875;1473221401;trinque;There are those, too, who suffer from grave emotional and mental disorders, but many of them do recover if they have the capacity to be honest. << does seem that most psychological issues involve deep dishonesty.
1535876;1473221485;BingoBoingo;Sure, then there's Gavin folk who can't be honest
1535877;1473222346;BingoBoingo;!~later tell mircea_popescu alice_ log was solved with a spiritual, not a religious solution
1535878;1473222347;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1535879;1473224403;ben_vulpes;ahaha keybase
1535880;1473224419;ben_vulpes;alice_ brings the real real
1535881;1473224989;asciilifeform;https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/scratch.txt << lulzy
1535882;1473225027;asciilifeform;'bekas cahlo caris cekla dedna dekik emiak eseik gazok gihza girim gumlu halbo hanka henuh kadut kagzi kakki kamor kehul kisar kizak kofur kohig lopra mesat mesip mezid motka nahso nalic nirsu omiac radil ratis repgi resra rukan siral sorzo tarak tilke zalsi zehaz zekhu zeluz zephu zifin zirez zohip zokmi zonri...'
1535883;1473225053;asciilifeform;i blame mr. mold.
1535884;1473225148;ben_vulpes;> comely.niad
1535885;1473225179;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/scratch.txt#L54 << lol read as "o crap i service"
1535886;1473225199;ben_vulpes;sublime? and braille?
1535887;1473225202;asciilifeform;expert sex change!
1535888;1473225203;ben_vulpes;what even is going on there
1535889;1473225224;trinque;asciilifeform: that might be quite relevant
1535890;1473225264;asciilifeform;lel
1535891;1473225366;asciilifeform;!~google niad
1535892;1473225367;jhvh1;asciilifeform: NIAD Art Center – Redefining Contemporary Art: <http://niadart.org/>; Roster Of Artists – NIAD Art Center: <http://niadart.org/artists/>; Hours + Directions + Contact – NIAD Art Center: <http://niadart.org/directions/>
1535893;1473225373;asciilifeform;hm.
1535894;1473225462;ben_vulpes;naiad, sorry
1535895;1473225465;ben_vulpes;!~google naiad
1535896;1473225467;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Naiad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naiad>; NAIADS (Naiades) - Fresh-Water Nymphs of Greek Mythology: <http://www.theoi.com/Nymphe/Naiades.html>; Naiad Dynamics - Yacht Stabilizers Boat Stabilizers Ship Stabilizer ...: <http://www.naiad.com/>
1535897;1473225488;asciilifeform;we know what is a naiad.
1535898;1473225496;asciilifeform;but not a niad.
1535899;1473225505;ben_vulpes;"not interested in any dick"?
1535900;1473225522;ben_vulpes;niad is a mispelling of something in that scratchpad
1535901;1473225528;asciilifeform;ah
1535902;1473225555;ben_vulpes;my efforts to avoid more pastepocalypsen result in typos
1535903;1473225692;asciilifeform;https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/data%20science/fimscrape.ζ << guess wat, trinque had it.
1535904;1473225707;*;asciilifeform takes off hat to trinque .
1535905;1473225793;asciilifeform;https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/crypto.ζ  << mega-lol
1535906;1473225880;asciilifeform;'i never used a key befoar'
1535907;1473226177;ben_vulpes;aaand locked
1535908;1473226200;ben_vulpes;what was that which trinque nailed?
1535909;1473226232;asciilifeform;https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/tree/master/.archive/okaylang << for, apparently, ben_vulpes ...
1535910;1473226318;ben_vulpes;weird!
1535911;1473226329;asciilifeform;there's a ~bottomless pit in there.
1535912;1473226359;ben_vulpes;yeah, being not logged into gh makes it work
1535913;1473226370;asciilifeform;waiwat
1535914;1473226402;ben_vulpes;encountering strange, standby one
1535915;1473226505;ben_vulpes;ah
1535916;1473226511;ben_vulpes;yeah fuck that url.
1535917;1473226525;ben_vulpes;and fuck weechat.
1535918;1473226560;ben_vulpes;nothing to see but a pile of hurr
1535919;1473226928;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535908 << the 'pony' thing.
1535920;1473226928;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 05:30 ben_vulpes: what was that which trinque nailed?
1535921;1473226942;asciilifeform;'fim' is their forum.
1535922;1473227030;ben_vulpes;mhm. eventually figured it out.
1535923;1473227144;asciilifeform;https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.archive/hydrocarboner/src/main.cpp#L442 << ?!
1535924;1473227229;ben_vulpes;huffman!
1535925;1473227573;asciilifeform;the sheer ~height~ of this pile, almost approaches my hdd.
1535926;1473227639;asciilifeform;and if i were to post it, i'm not certain that the reaction in readers would be very different from this case.
1535927;1473227686;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1535928;1473228585;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-03#1335900 << the difference
1535929;1473228585;a111;Logged on 2015-12-03 16:55 adlai:      industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous."
1535930;1473240682;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/25735C9524851A27C6B6968F1E24B64A6E2D529B5BF16D96F922E1FF96FFEDF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.14.242.210 (ssh-rsa key from 68.14.242.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+68.14.242.210@mkj.lt>; '
1535931;1473240807;Framedragger;!#hello
1535932;1473240807;scriba;Hello, world!
1535933;1473240810;Framedragger;kk
1535934;1473240856;Framedragger;phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw
1535935;1473240863;Framedragger;to*
1535936;1473241809;Framedragger;!#hello
1535937;1473241809;scriba;Hello, world!
1535938;1473242354;Framedragger;(sorry about log spam - i'll fork the bot into a development branch (new features and bugfix tests) which will run on a separate test channel.)
1535939;1473242758;Framedragger;incidentally, how would one go about doing development across branches in V? or is that fiat fancy to be banished from all that is good? :)
1535940;1473242772;Framedragger;a*
1535941;1473249978;Framedragger;btw ftr i want to thank punkman for recommending sopel bot (previously willie, if anyone's heard of it) as the core irc bot to be used. it's properly maintained, has clean code and good docs. https://sopel.chat/
1535942;1473249978;Framedragger;i want to try trinque's bot, too, but setting up sbcl etc and making sure things are reliable will have to wait for laters
1535943;1473250035;shinohai;I used a willie bot a long time ago, was rather good
1535944;1473250879;Framedragger;nice
1535945;1473250904;Framedragger;log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160801/bogus
1535946;1473250904;scriba;You need to give me a link to a specific IRC line so it can be quoted. Use either "from:line_number" or an anchor ("#line_number").
1535947;1473251917;Framedragger;log.mkj.lt/trilema/20100801/#1
1535948;1473251917;scriba;I do not have this date in my logs, I'm afraid.
1535949;1473252057;mircea_popescu;what ever happened to punkman anyway
1535950;1473253439;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535949 << went kakotronic
1535951;1473253439;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 12:40 mircea_popescu: what ever happened to punkman anyway
1535952;1473253469;mircea_popescu;what's that even.
1535953;1473253507;mircea_popescu;btw, i'm writing a mega-piece on clinical psychiatry. so save yourself an hour this evening.
1535954;1473253549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i.e. 'ideological' #b-a perma-resident.
1535955;1473253568;mircea_popescu;eh.
1535956;1473253574;*;asciilifeform allocates hour.
1535957;1473253576;mircea_popescu;what's the ideology.
1535958;1473253597;mircea_popescu;"we hate X guy" is politics, not ideology. gotta have an idea for to ideology.
1535959;1473253608;asciilifeform;then none.
1535960;1473253673;Framedragger;asciilifeform: thanks for putting words into a person's mouth, i'm sure that did great justice. you call this ideological? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-08-2016#1453186 << i call this just being more critical and reflective
1535961;1473253704;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this is exactly it though.
1535962;1473253715;asciilifeform;kakotronic.
1535963;1473253794;Framedragger;you know, i recall shitty philosophy students dissing entire philosophical works by just calling them "platonic". can't really do justice by generalizing like that, can you now
1535964;1473253815;Framedragger;(in truth, not the best of analogies)
1535965;1473253916;mircea_popescu;anyone mind quoting the source material ?
1535966;1473254215;Framedragger;16-08-2016
1535967;1473254230;Framedragger;‏‎asciilifeform:pankkake: the 'can't admit being wrong' thing is quite true, and whether you can afford dealing with mptronics, is very personal matter. so i do not actually disagree, as such, with pankkake.
1535968;1473254253;Framedragger;"i'm more curious re kakobrekla's motivation for withholding any of the info."
1535969;1473254261;Framedragger;"the only possible explanation is that not all of it contributes to the narrative he wants to build."
1535970;1473254272;Framedragger;‏‎punkman:flimflams: "oops flushed the orderbook again", "oops mispaid dividends again", "HELLO I AM THE CEO OF BITCOIN, HERE IS THE BITCOIN EXAM, oh what do you mean btc addresses don't keep a balance?" "it's not socialized losses, it's btc cartelisation research" "you were being an asshole so I banned your mpex account"
1535971;1473254282;Framedragger;quotation with right-handed text is fucked
1535972;1473254364;asciilifeform;it was lulzy, kako promised 'proof that mircea_popescu is really nigerian' or similar
1535973;1473254372;Framedragger;ftr i haven't made up my mind and a man is more complex than just a binary state machine
1535974;1473254374;mircea_popescu;i am what ?!
1535975;1473254378;Framedragger;haha
1535976;1473254400;mircea_popescu;anyway, so what's the problem ? guy thinks he's on to something, this is the bread and butter of a life of the mind.
1535977;1473254434;asciilifeform;i've tried and failed to convince the fella to write up his 'something'
1535978;1473254456;Framedragger;my frustration with kako is that he doesn't think it's worth the time to write up a coherent narrative from his point of view. i'm sure it'd be useful to have it. maybe it's because it's impossible to have one in that case; maybe not; i for one don't fucking know
1535979;1473254461;mircea_popescu;yeah well, these things take a while. go have einstein write up "his something" the year prior his writing it you know ?
1535980;1473254465;asciilifeform;and hey, i might learn that i also was always nigerian?
1535981;1473254472;Framedragger;:D
1535982;1473254497;mircea_popescu;this is fucking absurd, not like guy never saw me ? wtf.
1535983;1473254536;mircea_popescu;is the idea here that "whatever, we've already fucked ourselves with anyone with a clue, might as well say things that'd perhaps persuade a fraction of anyone else" ? or what, is "nigerian" more of a state of mind than a state of pigmentation ?
1535984;1473254548;asciilifeform;mind
1535985;1473254593;Framedragger;totally sure it was meant with "mind". it's kinda gotten out of hand and is imho not constructive; i mean, to keep to this narrative but not put it into (coherent stream of) words
1535986;1473254597;asciilifeform;as i understand, he now disbelieves in all of mircea_popescu that he had not personally seen
1535987;1473254598;mircea_popescu;heh sure, anyone can be anything etc. whatevs.
1535988;1473254613;mircea_popescu;to get back to it, "i am suspicious of this mp fellow" is not an ideology ; nor in itself much of a problem.
1535989;1473254647;thestringpuller;;;later tell diana_coman RE: our conversation of engines >> http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/KevinNormann/20160412/270186/Game_Engines_Past_Present_and_Future.php
1535990;1473254649;asciilifeform;the really depressing bit about kako is that he floats in a vacuum now.
1535991;1473254695;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's trauma, dude. he did what he earnestly believed was right at the  time ; turns out to have been entirely and unmitigatedly wrong. this is catastrophic, and especially so in poorly socialized, introverted, intelligent males. now gotta reevaluate everything, the evaluations often don't come out meaningful, the correct alternatives are frequently perceived as alf-impossible, it's a mess.
1535992;1473254699;asciilifeform;i suggested various constructive lines of work to him, and (mega-unsurprise) it did not help.
1535993;1473254780;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: don't disagree with your characterization. but i don't think the "entirely and unmitigatedly wrong" is objectively / necessarily the case. mining konspiracy, i don't know, mircea. but at this point i'm too out of the loop for the "i" to be mean anything here.
1535994;1473254790;mircea_popescu;ftr : my "fuck you, you may not be poor and be here" is not (as i'm certain oft perceived, because why the fuck not, it's easier) simply mp-superby. it is a strict and absolute necessity for one's own mental health.
1535995;1473254792;Framedragger;to mean*
1535996;1473254807;mircea_popescu;this is BECAUSE people who are poor often lack the specific sort of sophistication that will keep them from falling in that exact hole.
1535997;1473254819;asciilifeform;eh the fella is richer than , e.g., asciilifeform
1535998;1473254840;Framedragger;asciilifeform: this is prolly again one of those "mind" things
1535999;1473254887;mircea_popescu;i dunno what it is ; but the risk is certainly there.
1536000;1473254889;asciilifeform;Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
1536001;1473254911;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as a model, i propose to you that there's no substantial difference between this and say your bizarro position re llvm yest.
1536002;1473254916;mircea_popescu;not in its substance, MIND YOU
1536003;1473254918;mircea_popescu;in its expression.
1536004;1473254929;asciilifeform;he doesn't work for money and doesn't, as i understand, ever intend to.
1536005;1473254957;mircea_popescu;i have slaves who also don't ; so has the welfare state. this doesn't makethem "richer than x". they are the 0 of poor.
1536006;1473254960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my position came from a substantial stint of actual study and experiment with llvm.
1536007;1473254964;mircea_popescu;so yes, in this sense, it IS a "mind thing"
1536008;1473254983;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but your expression of that position came from five minutes of being a teenage boy alone.
1536009;1473255044;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting
1536010;1473255044;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
1536011;1473255063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is invited to write article where llvm is described eloquently ..
1536012;1473255077;mircea_popescu;yeah sure, soon as apple's check clears.
1536013;1473255092;jurov;https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/51gjs3/hillary_just_vomited_snot_into_a_glass_then_drank/
1536014;1473255107;asciilifeform;but i have nfi how to fit it in 1 line as other than 'elaborate work of evil, baited mousetrap.'
1536015;1473255124;mircea_popescu;i'm not trying to repress you! i'm just using things.
1536016;1473255170;mircea_popescu;it's not "x was wrong, bad alfie!" it's "well review how x worked and it'll offer a model for how y works"
1536017;1473255171;asciilifeform;lel
1536018;1473255206;asciilifeform;jurov: mega-disappoint! where is the vomit?
1536019;1473255260;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the miner conspiracy is in no way related to any of this ; however. if you recall, that disagreement as such resulted in entirely no friction.
1536020;1473255338;Framedragger;oh really? interesting. but in http://trilema.com/2016/the-greatly-anticipated-bitbet-sbbet-february-2016-statement/ there is that "Cost of doing business in Bitcoin : 17.94766149 BTC"
1536021;1473255365;mircea_popescu;if someone shouts "down with the government" and then tries to grab a policeman's gun, he will be prosecuted ; and he will obviously claim "it's political". nevertheless...
1536022;1473255390;mircea_popescu;Framedragger sure. businesses will on occasion run into unexpected costs. this is a fact of [business] life.
1536023;1473255433;asciilifeform;his position was, and afaik remains, ' mircea_popescu's misconfiguted btctron blew away 17+, he should pay ' etc.
1536024;1473255450;asciilifeform;*configured
1536025;1473255463;mircea_popescu;and this is, as you notice, entirely divorced from that.
1536026;1473255495;asciilifeform;i do not yet notice?
1536027;1473255498;Framedragger;wasn't the whole point of it that kako disagreed of you attempting to charge bbet money for spending money twice (ironically, zero fee tx will be more difficult with no block size increase - which i'm against, too). that this was not in the gpg contract. so he did not sign bbet statement. and then bbet proceeded to be liquidated. you also disabled his mpex account for an unsigned comment on qntra or wherever which did not breach any clau
1536028;1473255514;Framedragger;se of the gpg contract, but that's separate, too, i guess
1536029;1473255520;mircea_popescu;that it's a smoothly working machinery, where escalation was tried and failed and then tried and failed and then and failed AND THEN TRIED!!! and failed does not excuse one from pretending "the last step" is "because the first step".
1536030;1473255544;mircea_popescu;there bowls of "fuck me, i'm stupid" to be eaten at every juncture. perhaps of increasing size, it is true, but there nevertheless.
1536031;1473255561;mircea_popescu;the anal child's "you didn't buy me my toy so it's your fault i'm a junkie" only works in the mind of the anal child.
1536032;1473255577;asciilifeform;i happen to think that kako was a bloody fool for signing up for '0 asset corp'
1536033;1473255604;asciilifeform;it is like that no-fat lab mouse
1536034;1473255614;asciilifeform;if you forget to feed it just once...
1536035;1473255628;asciilifeform;or it gets excited and runs a little too long
1536036;1473255662;mircea_popescu;Framedragger not only separate, but entirely nobody's concern. i can ban anyone for any reason or for no reason and i offer no explanations. this is how, you know, your bank works, also.
1536037;1473255676;asciilifeform;i did point this to him.
1536038;1473255692;mircea_popescu;aaaanyway.
1536039;1473255702;*;mircea_popescu goes back to his article.
1536040;1473255737;*;asciilifeform goes back to his unspeakable horrors.
1536041;1473255796;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: absolutely. and at the same time you can understand why a bunch of people do not intend to hold any money with you ("these people have money?!" - mp laughs), because even if the "ban" is legit, it doesn't exactly inspire things.
1536042;1473255804;*;Framedragger goes back to $job :(
1536043;1473255836;trinque;are we back to opining on a man's private business decisions like it's reddit or what
1536044;1473255913;Framedragger;that's a ridiculous slippery slope; street thieves also run private business enterprises in that respect, i suppose
1536045;1473255920;asciilifeform;oh but in other noose, https://sourceforge.net/p/pupnp/bugs/133
1536046;1473255935;*;Framedragger stops fruitless antagonising
1536047;1473255941;asciilifeform;(upnp) 'There is a heap buffer overflow vulnerability in the create_url_list function in upnp/src/gena/gena_device.c. I first discovered this vulnerability when working with version 1.6.19 and have confirmed that it also exists in the latest code on the master branch.'
1536048;1473255960;asciilifeform;^ asciilifeform knew the fella reporting subj bug in meatspace
1536049;1473256025;trinque;Framedragger: your mouth runs a bit, you know.
1536050;1473256037;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah...fuck. lol. RCE possible. good times
1536051;1473256048;Framedragger;trinque: it happens
1536052;1473256088;asciilifeform;this ain't the first upnpism either
1536053;1473256102;asciilifeform;we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason.
1536054;1473256197;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/bqIzy << cached copy for mircea_popescu et al.
1536055;1473256419;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/W1LdS << $1.3bn airdropped by bahamas in tehran. there's your inflation, folks. there too is your 'no one cancelled cash' (tm)(r)
1536056;1473256572;pete_dushenski;in other news, my best tenants of all time are leaving at the end of the month. a sadness is me. i give chances of equally quiet, punctual, respectful couple 2:1 against
1536057;1473256665;pete_dushenski;that alice_ was a character. much log skipping.
1536058;1473256752;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535808 << heh. first xtian bible, then alkie's bible, spinoza's ethics next ?
1536059;1473256752;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 03:46 jhvh1: 5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
1536060;1473257086;pete_dushenski;http://www.gutenberg.org/files/3800/3800-h/3800-h.htm#chap04 << having the propositions from part iv in jhvh1 's repertoire would be mega-lulzy
1536061;1473257234;mircea_popescu;while doing research, http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/#selection-71.0-77.0
1536062;1473257242;mircea_popescu;nothing quite like old articles i swears.
1536063;1473257287;mircea_popescu;Framedragger eh, right. they'll go to coinbase instead. like before, there's a reason for that "these people have money?!" - mp laughs ; and the reason is that people who have money either do better research than this or else soon enough don't have money.
1536064;1473257299;mircea_popescu;which has been, of course, a point throughout these many many years.
1536065;1473257361;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought gena was a test suite.
1536066;1473257399;mircea_popescu;ah nm, it's just an enumerator etc for "internet of things" nonsense.
1536067;1473257428;pete_dushenski;"Firstly, you see ? Firstly, how you convince the girls you're a Casanova riding two stallions. Then, how you lose your virginity. In that order.
1536068;1473257434;pete_dushenski;" << lelz
1536069;1473257759;*;pete_dushenski back to researching moving co's
1536070;1473257899;mircea_popescu;). ))).
1536071;1473257905;mircea_popescu;god damned. only on trilema ;/
1536072;1473258126;trinque;getting lispy over there mp?
1536073;1473258228;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: (fair enough, i understand your viewpoint here)
1536074;1473258257;mircea_popescu;these damned notes!
1536075;1473258266;mircea_popescu;they're a buggy implementation of half of common lisp!
1536076;1473258268;Framedragger;in other news, znc took more time to reconnect upon connection failure than i want it to take. gonna improve things.
1536077;1473258341;trinque;Framedragger: I'll be writing up the whole deployment and hosting side of things sometime today.
1536078;1473258361;trinque;and an example command service
1536079;1473258380;trinque;choosing the stack I did was born of experience
1536080;1473258997;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536057 << the git link was a brainmelter tho.
1536081;1473258997;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 13:57 pete_dushenski: that alice_ was a character. much log skipping.
1536082;1473259018;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535905 << even had own bignumatron.
1536083;1473259018;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 05:23 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/crypto.ζ  << mega-lol
1536084;1473259030;asciilifeform;oops
1536085;1473259032;asciilifeform;wrong link
1536086;1473259041;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535923 .
1536087;1473259041;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 05:45 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.archive/hydrocarboner/src/main.cpp#L442 << ?!
1536088;1473259084;asciilifeform;i can picture some nut in a jail cell, to whom they gave a computer. for 20 years. and we get this.
1536089;1473259128;asciilifeform;bool fucks(i64 p) ...
1536090;1473259195;trinque;brony davis
1536091;1473259228;asciilifeform;davis is a respectable man !11111
1536092;1473259233;asciilifeform;wrote actual os that runs on actual iron
1536093;1473259238;asciilifeform;not jsolade.
1536094;1473259386;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535929 << cable modem. arizona.
1536095;1473259386;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 06:09 a111: Logged on 2015-12-03 16:55 adlai:      industrious must be got rid of, for he is too dangerous."
1536096;1473259394;asciilifeform;argh, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535930
1536097;1473259394;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 09:31 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/25735C9524851A27C6B6968F1E24B64A6E2D529B5BF16D96F922E1FF96FFEDF9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 29 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '68.14.242.210 (ssh-rsa key from 68.14.242.210 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+68.14.242.210@mkj.lt>; '
1536098;1473259470;asciilifeform;https://68.14.242.210/login_en295 << for extra lulz.
1536099;1473259553;asciilifeform;http://creative-manager.com << subj ?
1536100;1473259564;asciilifeform;'WELCOME TO The #1 Project Management Software for the Creative Industry   Introducing Workamajig Platinum, the all-in-one solution for your creative team.'
1536101;1473259625;asciilifeform;https://www.gta.com << who made his firewall thing.
1536102;1473259650;asciilifeform;'Introducing our most powerful firewall UTM appliance - the GB-2600 UTM firewall. The new firewall appliance is powered by a 3.5 Ghz Intel i3 Dual Core CPU, with 4GB of RAM, 8GB static memory storage and provides 6 fully configurable gigabit network interfaces with the option of adding multiple 10G network interfaces. Enhanced Virtual Private Networking with hardware acceleration is standard on the GB-2600.' << but apparently 29 divi
1536103;1473259650;asciilifeform;des its rsa key...
1536104;1473259673;asciilifeform;'GB-OS has standard UTM features which can be augmented with subscription options that enhance the firewall capabilities. ' << can chump buy a working rng??
1536105;1473259755;asciilifeform;http://www.cvedetails.com/product/2275/Global-Technology-Associates-Gnat-Box-Firmware.html?vendor_id=1304 ( https://archive.is/HoCmE ) << nadia heninger NOT mentioned...
1536106;1473259779;asciilifeform;i guess she only does bad-rng, and not absent-primality-test...
1536107;1473259783;asciilifeform;or wat.
1536108;1473259842;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/700B8BCB736ABB90FBD44CF67F97D08BC607249723DCD55DBC2A7CD36C495D4E << earlier pop with IDENTICAL KEY
1536109;1473259867;asciilifeform;(the latter box is sadly now dead)
1536110;1473259897;trinque;dhcp?
1536111;1473259908;asciilifeform;nfi
1536112;1473259927;asciilifeform;68.14.242.210 is running openssh 6.6 btw.
1536113;1473260017;mod6;<+asciilifeform> we burned it out of trb with hot irons, first thing, for a reason. << werd. thx.
1536114;1473260366;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/TnGrv -- 'For a while it looked as if the situation could escalate. A Justice Department lawyer representing the NSA demanded that Gilmore surrender his illegal copies and threatened that the NSA might send its own operatives, or FBI agents, to seize Friedman’s proofs from Gilmore. The cypherpunks were worried — especially Gilmore’s lawyer, Lee Tien. They were worried not just for their own per
1536115;1473260366;asciilifeform;sonal freedom, but for the freedom of the country. At academic crypto conferences, rumors were making the rounds that the NSA had already raided the New York Public Library and reclassified documents that used to be public, and that in 1983 they had already removed Friedman’s personal correspondence from public access...'
1536116;1473260522;asciilifeform;or lulzy sealandisms, 'One of HavenCo’s main investors, Avi Friedman, was worried about the Y2K problem, so he withdrew about $2 million in cash, in $100 bills, and kept the cash at home. He doled out $1,500 at a time, to make minimum payments. Lackey started using his own credit cards, spending ever more money that he didn’t have.'
1536117;1473260550;*;asciilifeform wonders whether this actually happened
1536118;1473261527;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
1536119;1473261527;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 09:34 Framedragger: phf: thanks for adding scriba btcbase log's list of bots btw
1536120;1473261527;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 13:30 Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:569/to:569#569 << interesting - but i agree with mircea_popescu here that it's not entirely relevant, as it's not meant in that sense. but, interesting
1536121;1473261527;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [13:28:09] <asciilifeform> Framedragger: in case you didn't know - kako sits on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium (and also bbetronium)
1536122;1473261551;phf;kek
1536123;1473261569;mircea_popescu;lol. phf let each bot do its own.
1536124;1473261608;phf;mircea_popescu: well, i want the arrows to still work, so i explicitly ignore his for quoting
1536125;1473261622;*;shinohai still prefers readability of phf's logs, no offense to Framedragger
1536126;1473261627;*;asciilifeform also
1536127;1473261642;mircea_popescu;well ok but you can't have each bot read each line in chat what is this.
1536128;1473261647;phf;but there's a nifty way to bring down both bots, which i think i should fix asap
1536129;1473261653;trinque;ehehe
1536130;1473261657;asciilifeform;phf: i did think about this.
1536131;1473261661;trinque;also
1536132;1473261664;asciilifeform;mutually-recursive barf
1536133;1473261670;mircea_popescu;if people reference your thing, let your bot read it ; if people reference his let his bot read it.
1536134;1473261678;mircea_popescu;you can count references any way you please, that's an unrelated matter
1536135;1473261702;phf;mircea_popescu: that's not the problem above though
1536136;1473261712;mircea_popescu;oh it recursed ?
1536137;1473261723;phf;a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
1536138;1473261734;mircea_popescu;this is actually not bad.
1536139;1473261765;asciilifeform;phf: neato
1536140;1473261772;phf;unless you post a mutually recursive url (one that contains both links at the same time and references another one that contains both)
1536141;1473261785;mircea_popescu;if you do that i'll ban you, how about that.
1536142;1473261804;mircea_popescu;the problem is that as discussion progresses, there will be genuine references that are very long./
1536143;1473261832;mircea_popescu;i think best would be if phf Framedragger and everyone ever running a log bot limits the number of lines the bot will read without interruption from human to three.
1536144;1473261844;mircea_popescu;for the needs of this, however, we'd have to keep a list of bots, which is mildly obnoxious.
1536145;1473261917;mircea_popescu;#trilema, at the forefront of ai research.
1536146;1473261994;shinohai;All jhvh1 wants is to be sure you have a working copy of trb when X-Day comes
1536147;1473262375;phf;actually looking at code i'm already using my bot list to ignore bot messages when annotating, which is not the best behavior
1536148;1473262415;phf;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:680/to:680#680
1536149;1473262415;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [15:18:47] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535934 << i also added your links to crossref ( for example the little hand here, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536009 )
1536150;1473262594;phf;ftr ("assbot" "gribble" "lobbesbot" "deedbot" "a111" "a111``" "scriba" "jhvh1")
1536151;1473262626;asciilifeform;what's a111`` ?
1536152;1473262648;asciilifeform;and assbot dun live here, and neither, afaik, lobbesbot
1536153;1473262687;phf;the list is also used to grey out messages from bots on btcbase, so it should contain all the historic bots too
1536154;1473262711;mircea_popescu;lobbesbot lives in #eulora ; lobbes- did it.
1536155;1473262750;mircea_popescu;but yes, we cameto a crossroad, where ai denizens are actually a significant enough portion of the republic's cohorts.
1536156;1473262760;shinohai;Is tb0t not included in list?
1536157;1473262792;phf;shinohai: it is now
1536158;1473262802;shinohai;o7
1536159;1473262947;mircea_popescu;"all ais are subject to registration. any ai found without proper registration will be destroyed."
1536160;1473262989;*;shinohai chisels this into republic law stones
1536161;1473263000;Framedragger;ah! lol. in relation to mutual recursion, scriba won't repeat same line forever, fwiw; it will switch to "..."; but mutual destruction hasn't been empirically tested, so heh.
1536162;1473263001;Framedragger;i'm not sure regarding explicit list of bots for each bot for good citizenry / collaboration purposes, but as phf said his bot already does that, kinda.
1536163;1473263035;Framedragger;(if same irc nick invokes same line multiple lines that line won't be repeated foreva; so there's that)
1536164;1473263058;Framedragger;believe it or not bot writers (scriba just piggybacks on a general bot) think about these things, sometimes :p
1536165;1473263079;Framedragger;of course a mutual recursive *chain* could maybe be constructed....
1536166;1473263120;Framedragger;regarding readability, yah /me prefers phf's html too, i think :D i'll see about it after more important things are taken care of; but it's prolly good to have different designs, too.
1536167;1473263194;Framedragger;and yeah cool stuff phf
1536168;1473263287;Framedragger;only question right now, is this http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698 a good thing - i think that it's not bad, too
1536169;1473263288;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/3] [15:21:52] <mircea_popescu> oh it recursed ?
1536170;1473263289;scriba;[2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
1536171;1473263290;scriba;[3/3] [15:22:14] <mircea_popescu> this is actually not bad.
1536172;1473263439;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i think it should only work in pm.
1536173;1473263454;Framedragger;hmm good point, there's pm, too
1536174;1473263476;mircea_popescu;or maybe i should have a way to direct it, i guess, http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:698/to:700#698  > alf then he pms that to alf.
1536175;1473263476;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/3] [15:21:52] <mircea_popescu> oh it recursed ?
1536176;1473263477;scriba;[2/3] [15:22:03] <phf> a111 quoted the two btcbase urls. one of the urls contained mkj url, so scriba quoted that
1536177;1473263479;scriba;[3/3] [15:22:14] <mircea_popescu> this is actually not bad.
1536178;1473263481;mircea_popescu;whoops.
1536179;1473263511;Framedragger;yah.
1536180;1473263515;mircea_popescu;though honestly, i'm not sure why it's useful, other than you liking it. people routinely read around linked items.
1536181;1473263515;Framedragger;makes sense to me
1536182;1473263526;mircea_popescu;or at least they'd god damned better.
1536183;1473263578;Framedragger;i guess it has a socialist bent to it - i thought - noobs won't read actual logs so might as well quote what's actually needed; and, it is useful for when it's just a couple of lines. but it does add to the thickness of logz.
1536184;1473263585;phf;Framedragger: also i did notice that utc+3 to utc shift midday ;)
1536185;1473263624;mircea_popescu;Framedragger we don't cater to stupid.
1536186;1473263627;Framedragger;phf: ...yeah. i wanted to switch to utc so changed environment settings for when it next restarted and then it restarted sooner than expected. SUCH ENGINEERING :/
1536187;1473263645;Framedragger;i'll have to re-do the whole dates/times thing anyway once i move to postgres, which i want to do anyway
1536188;1473263663;Framedragger;it's the proper way.
1536189;1473263790;Framedragger;btw this is such $s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
1536190;1473263795;Framedragger;!!s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
1536191;1473263818;Framedragger;and a bit of simulacra&simulation vibe, too
1536192;1473263828;Framedragger;!!s s il n'y a pas de hors-texte
1536193;1473263858;Framedragger;"i recall this being mentioned before" (tm)
1536194;1473263913;mircea_popescu;!!search hors-texte
1536195;1473263929;mircea_popescu;da fuck anymore.
1536196;1473263931;Framedragger;there should be a bot which gives help about bots
1536197;1473263968;phf;clippybot
1536198;1473264010;Framedragger;IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE BUILDING A REPUBLIC
1536199;1473264049;Framedragger;Would you like help?
1536200;1473264049;Framedragger;* Get help slaughtering the mafia states
1536201;1473264049;Framedragger;* Proofread your declaration of independence
1536202;1473264099;shinohai;LOL
1536203;1473264118;shinohai;!~bash 5
1536204;1473264118;jhvh1;Last 5 lines bashed and pending publication
1536205;1473264162;mircea_popescu;jhvh1 i mean shinohai : is there a web for your bash ?
1536206;1473264163;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "i" is not a valid command.
1536207;1473264168;*;mircea_popescu likes to lol.
1536208;1473264209;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535083
1536209;1473264209;a111;Logged on 2016-09-06 16:31 mircea_popescu: lol! review the history. the bar in 2016 is "make a bot" ; the bar in 2014 was "get a gpg key".
1536210;1473264210;shinohai;There will be soon on bit-box, got to add one more thing to make it update properly.
1536211;1473264219;mircea_popescu;kk
1536212;1473264292;trinque;Framedragger: ftr I don't subscribe to the "bot checks to make sure it doesn't resend lines" party
1536213;1473264295;trinque;wtf is telling it to?
1536214;1473264297;trinque;fix that
1536215;1473264329;trinque;pretty soon you've got a onanismd
1536216;1473264377;Framedragger;trinque: you mean, it's okay for bot to keep repeating same line requested by same person in quick succession? hm maybe
1536217;1473264424;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
1536218;1473264424;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
1536219;1473264425;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
1536220;1473264425;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
1536221;1473264425;trinque;beat the idiot
1536222;1473264426;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
1536223;1473264426;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
1536224;1473264427;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525010
1536225;1473264427;a111;Logged on 2016-08-19 09:25 Framedragger: "butt sex, too"
1536226;1473264452;trinque;what, you need me to negrate you to make the point? calm down
1536227;1473264506;Framedragger;i was just testing
1536228;1473264506;Framedragger;trinque: ok maybe. but the restriction is an easy way of trapping some non-halting scenarions
1536229;1473264540;*;Framedragger off for now, sorry for pollution; good day for the logs
1536230;1473264546;trinque;cheers
1536231;1473265783;asciilifeform;in other noose, 70.33.211.11 (yes, 1 box) has been ddosing trb nodes, in particular zoolag.
1536232;1473265788;asciilifeform;1000s of connections /sec.
1536233;1473265797;asciilifeform;https://cancoin.co << owner.
1536234;1473265804;asciilifeform;well, dosing.
1536235;1473265806;asciilifeform;no 'd'.
1536236;1473265898;shinohai;"mulit-sig sekooooority!"
1536237;1473265960;asciilifeform;at one time i considered adding, e.g., rate limiter, to trb, but decided that it is not the Right Thing.
1536238;1473266099;*;trinque echoed asciilifeform's nothing for showing up sentiment just above
1536239;1473266152;asciilifeform;trinque: 'nothing for showing up' is quite physically impossible with tcp.
1536240;1473266162;asciilifeform;and with nonwotronic net.
1536241;1473266179;trinque;aha
1536242;1473266248;asciilifeform;the correct way to - while we still must - run traditional bitcoin, is with a wotronic net having 1,001 'tendrils' into heathendom (conventional nodes).
1536243;1473266274;asciilifeform;conventional in the 'trb as we now have it' sense.
1536244;1473266287;asciilifeform;the kind that accepts tcp conns from all-comers.
1536245;1473266399;phf;can also implement some kind of nerfing with iptables, using -m limit --limit n/s. there's also a stateful --seconds m --hitcount n
1536246;1473266420;phf;!~bible matthew 22:21
1536247;1473266422;jhvh1;phf: [KJV] Matthew 22:21 :: They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
1536248;1473266452;asciilifeform;!~bible matthew 10:34
1536249;1473266454;jhvh1;asciilifeform: [KJV] Matthew 10:34 :: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
1536250;1473266467;phf;:D
1536251;1473266509;asciilifeform;!~fortune
1536252;1473266510;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "fortune" is not a valid command.
1536253;1473266512;asciilifeform;eh.
1536254;1473266558;phf;also need shakespeare and imdb quotes database
1536255;1473266583;phf;!~joke #15
1536256;1473266584;jhvh1;phf: Error: "joke" is not a valid command.
1536257;1473266891;mircea_popescu;imdb quotes ?! srsly ?!
1536258;1473266910;*;asciilifeform would rather not
1536259;1473267014;asciilifeform;phf: ip ban is also problematic in the sense that enemy can easily spoof any number of faux SYNs from, e.g., my box, to yours
1536260;1473267015;phf;that was an efnet joke
1536261;1473267043;asciilifeform;plaintext 'all-comers' net is not a thing long for this world.
1536262;1473267073;shinohai;asciilifeform	!~bible matthew 10:34   <<< this is why I said alf is a vengeful god, no better than Jehovah
1536263;1473267116;phf;sort of how back in eggdrop days people would load tons of 3rd party plugins into their bot making it both unstable and exploitable. there was always some buffer overflow in !fart or somesuch
1536264;1473267140;shinohai;eggdrop had a *telnet* server ffs
1536265;1473267150;mircea_popescu;o hey, exactly how wordpress is intended to work!
1536266;1473267210;phf;i
1536267;1473267245;phf;err, my memory doesn't go further out, but i suspect eggdrop was first case of wordpress plugin ecosystem with similar implications
1536268;1473267305;trinque;nah, windows was released earlier
1536269;1473267306;trinque;zing!
1536270;1473267459;trinque;they apparently jammed JS into eggdrop in 2002. ahead of its time.
1536271;1473267463;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/wPpuN << in other amerilulz
1536272;1473267562;trinque;anarchists protesting lenient govt sentencing, lul
1536273;1473267599;asciilifeform;quite the circus.
1536274;1473267657;asciilifeform;esp. considering that if you show up with so much as a slingshot in public, but for some non-usg-approved reason, you will at the very least be relieved of your valuables (incl. slingshot) by police.
1536275;1473267749;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/superficial-ustardian-onanism-suto/ << Trilema - Superficial UsTardian Onanism (SUTO)
1536276;1473267763;hanbot;(from mircea_popescu's latest) "A: A tulpa can think independantly from its creator, can have different opinions, views, tastes, etc. from its creator, provide companionship, talk directly to anyone inside the same body (including its creator and other tulpas), control and manipulate the physical body like you, recall the memories that you have if you give them the permission and more, but basically a tulpa is a conscious mind like you and can do the
1536277;1473267763;hanbot; same things like you can." desperately need moar accounts stupidity
1536278;1473267788;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/M3Q7D << from fishwrap linked earlier. 'Denmark pays up to £1m for documents from anonymous source and plans to investigate up to 600 Danes who may have evaded tax.'
1536279;1473267808;asciilifeform;'Denmark has become the first country in the world to apparently buy data from the Panama Papers leak, and now plans to investigate whether 500-600 Danes who feature in the offshore archive may have evaded tax. Denmark’s tax minister, Karsten Lauritzen, said he will pay up to DKK9m (£1m) for the information, which comes from the Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca. He said an anonymous source approached the Danish government over
1536280;1473267808;asciilifeform;the summer.'
1536281;1473267969;*;asciilifeform digs in to 'suto' piece
1536282;1473268088;*;mircea_popescu grins
1536283;1473268446;asciilifeform;the 'tulpa' thing inescapably reminds me of zweig's 'schachnovelle'
1536284;1473268545;mircea_popescu;it inescapably reminds me of the insane asylum.
1536285;1473268553;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1536286;1473268555;mircea_popescu;loads of folks there with various "tulpae"
1536287;1473268572;asciilifeform;but in the past not so many folks wanted to enter that state voluntarily.
1536288;1473268602;mircea_popescu;in the past many folks also had better options.
1536289;1473268633;asciilifeform;and the 'tulpists' do not ?
1536290;1473268706;asciilifeform;btw, 'alice_' (reddit) -- 'I am a tulpa created by a roughly similar process. Except in this case I took over from my creator and she died.' ( https://archive.is/AVQbD )
1536291;1473268838;trinque;http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/ << y'know they'll say all this then drown the kids in the bathtub
1536292;1473268840;trinque;funny creatures
1536293;1473268867;asciilifeform;waiwat
1536294;1473268910;trinque;being a killer is not absent in women, though they'll deny it with fuzzy bunnies all day long
1536295;1473268942;asciilifeform;killing per se is a normal and healthy thing.
1536296;1473268948;trinque;ofc
1536297;1473268992;asciilifeform;and there are millions now walking who ought to have drowned in tub.
1536298;1473268996;asciilifeform;not mega-seekrit.
1536299;1473269009;trinque;also in mp's article there; teh culture is broken
1536300;1473269815;trinque;http://archive.is/VK3FS << this is too much
1536301;1473269904;shinohai;I never realized such level of retardation existed.
1536302;1473270325;asciilifeform;shinohai: it ~doesn't.
1536303;1473270346;asciilifeform;these are folk who got bored with the usual retardation (because it is deadly boring, even to practitioners) and tried to invent 'new' types.
1536304;1473270603;hanbot;heh, seems mircea_popescu and diana_coman co-own the term "pluriously", as per google
1536305;1473270847;asciilifeform;e plurious unum !11111
1536306;1473271067;asciilifeform;'His attitude towards Andresen, the public, the poor and the residents of Mali is despicable. ... Because most of us likely have hosted wallets somewhere, the decision will be largely out of the general public's hands, though.' << gold. how did i miss this.
1536307;1473271109;asciilifeform;'Bitcoin's marketing is predicated on poor "third world country" people adopting it for remittances. A high transaction fee network will come across as a betrayal. It is not something the powers that be will risk.' << didjaknow.
1536308;1473272140;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no fucking way ?!
1536309;1473272158;asciilifeform;which
1536310;1473272166;mircea_popescu;alice reddit.
1536311;1473272173;asciilifeform;it was where i found it!
1536312;1473272179;mircea_popescu;these were, believe it or not, unrelated strands.
1536313;1473272180;asciilifeform;it wrote to me (reddit has a pm thing)
1536314;1473272206;asciilifeform;and i reflexively mailed it back phuctor 'contact' link (~all of my 'fan mail' is phuctor-related these days)
1536315;1473272329;mircea_popescu;aaanyway.
1536316;1473272395;*;mircea_popescu very much welcomes criticism / improvement / further research of teh suto.
1536317;1473272398;asciilifeform;i ended up, to my woe, looking up the 'pony' thing trinque mentioned, there are ~0 actual females there btw.
1536318;1473272438;asciilifeform;which is lulzy because the thing at its root is some american cartoon about (all-female!) unicorns.
1536319;1473272468;asciilifeform;who were originally a plastic toy, and the maker commissioned a 'toyetic' (actual term of art) tv show to market it with.
1536320;1473272494;asciilifeform;sorta how 'adventures of gummi bears' happened in 1980s.
1536321;1473272520;asciilifeform;(there was a ru translation! and no one had any fucking notion that there ever existed the candy, much less that it preceded that children's cartoon.)
1536322;1473272593;mircea_popescu;what pony thing ?
1536323;1473272625;mircea_popescu;oh, i thought you meant ponygirls. iirc "brony" was for a while years ago a pedo rally cry.
1536324;1473272630;mircea_popescu;much like habbo hotel worked a decade prior.
1536325;1473272661;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535770 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535767 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535903 .
1536326;1473272661;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 03:27 trinque: afaik you identify as a pony or some shit
1536327;1473272661;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 03:27 trinque: https://www.google.com/images?q=alice0meta << brony
1536328;1473272661;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 05:21 asciilifeform: https://github.com/alice0meta/scratch/blob/master/.abandoned/data%20science/fimscrape.ζ << guess wat, trinque had it.
1536329;1473272692;thestringpuller;spells of genesis joins the hype train: https://news.bitcoin.com/spells-genesis-mainstream-success/
1536330;1473272705;mircea_popescu;no, you don't "identify as a pony". you pretend to be interested in a preteen cartoon show because a) trying to talk with preteens online and b) if you do it enough maybe it normalizes.
1536331;1473272741;trinque;the cover theory makes a great deal of sense.
1536332;1473272787;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller because totally skinning a product is innovation now.
1536333;1473272805;thestringpuller;at least its pretty
1536334;1473272810;asciilifeform;ζζζζζζ!111111
1536335;1473272831;mircea_popescu;remarkably enough, the don't mention the ~only bitcoin game worth the mention other than eulora, that being a tale in the desert.
1536336;1473272844;mircea_popescu;aaanwyay, roger ver and friends, doomed by stupidity.
1536337;1473272893;thestringpuller;well tale of the desert isn't bitcoin based. that's a knights tale by the same guy
1536338;1473272913;mircea_popescu;a right right.
1536339;1473272915;thestringpuller;also a tale in the desert gets REALLY boring
1536340;1473272916;mircea_popescu;same engine.
1536341;1473272930;thestringpuller;but it's crafting system is unprecedented.
1536342;1473272969;thestringpuller;but who am i to judge "boring" the countless hours watching tv to kill time while waitng to get in an FFXI party to play for like maybe 30 minutes of combat
1536343;1473273003;*;mircea_popescu finds magic the gathering and clones boring, for that matter.
1536344;1473273020;thestringpuller;anyhow. the srs MTG crowd actually think SoG is a joke, it may pull some player, but there's no point.
1536345;1473273030;shinohai;Wasn't "Spells of Genesis" another Voorhees enterprise?
1536346;1473273040;thestringpuller;i think that's why it pivoted to arcade game with "card battle system"
1536347;1473273048;mircea_popescu;which is exactly what i meant above. really, they skinned someone else's thing ?
1536348;1473273057;asciilifeform;ftr, the ζ thing almost led me to wonder if 'alice' wasn't an educational experiment created by mircea_popescu .
1536349;1473273062;asciilifeform;punishment, for my sins.
1536350;1473273079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had no hand in any of this!
1536351;1473273087;asciilifeform;(per the 'orc symbols' and 'cheap sybils' threads!111)
1536352;1473273089;asciilifeform;aite.
1536353;1473273094;mircea_popescu;and i'm still reeling from the tulpa coincidence.
1536354;1473273120;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: skinned someone else's thing << Just cause facebook lined up a billion idiots. And WoW poached MTG pkayers for "Hearthstone", kinda just biomass going from time waster to time waster
1536355;1473273123;mircea_popescu;it is strictly possible that ~all the facebook/reddit/etc "profiles" belong to a single person.
1536356;1473273124;asciilifeform;it is apparently a fad in yudkowskian 'rationalist' (yes) circles.
1536357;1473273153;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i actually checked out hearthstone. it's fucking boring i dunno how they 15yo manages
1536358;1473273167;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what is ?
1536359;1473273182;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: imagine you're a millennial raised on an ipad and your attention span lasts maybe 1 page of a normal novel.
1536360;1473273199;mircea_popescu;how am i going to imagine that
1536361;1473273209;thestringpuller;Imagine you're the ipad!
1536362;1473273210;thestringpuller;XD
1536363;1473273214;mircea_popescu;lol
1536364;1473273226;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the massive stash in the git, of 'this program is written in 'vrelta', which is written in 'ukuku, resting in all its pride and glory' is not shannonized. i am satisfied that it is the multi-year product of genuine madness.
1536365;1473273242;mircea_popescu;how did you achieve this satisfaction ?
1536366;1473273253;thestringpuller;this imo is why the state of gaming is where it is. Games have become "babysitters", rather than quality toys.
1536367;1473273314;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: largely by familiarity with the process. i personally grew up doing it. and this is 3rd example i run into publicly to date (others being mr mold and terry davis.)
1536368;1473273317;ben_vulpes;subject of ipad, apple is picking a fight with the 3.5mm audio jack
1536369;1473273322;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: old noose.
1536370;1473273344;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: They trynna to patent it cause "Square" et. al?
1536371;1473273350;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ever since koreans came out with the watertight pnoje , demonstratively shipped in a jar of water, crapple threatened same
1536372;1473273377;mircea_popescu;ah this finally happened ?
1536373;1473273390;asciilifeform;the korean one happened years ago
1536374;1473273404;asciilifeform;but iirc it still had a jack, with a rubber stopper
1536375;1473273425;asciilifeform;!!s ampoule phone
1536376;1473273427;mircea_popescu;for anyone who spent childhood around kids comparing the "waterproofness" of their watches, by meter depth - esp kids who never went into water
1536377;1473273432;asciilifeform;$s ampoule phone
1536378;1473273432;a111;1 result for "ampoule phone", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ampoule%20phone
1536379;1473273438;mircea_popescu;that the same will occur to "smart" phones was expected.
1536380;1473273447;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: from what it sounds like they can't make money on the 3.5mm jack, so they gonna make a USB lightning adapter?!?!?
1536381;1473273463;thestringpuller;"If you have a favourite pair of older earphones or headphones, you can plug them into the Lightning or USB-C jack with a little adapter. Some will have splitters so that you can charge your phone and plug in headphones simultaneously." << what the actual fuck
1536382;1473273478;ben_vulpes;"why ditch analog stereo headphone jacks? well, we're still smarting from losing the firewire/usb format war, so we're going to pick a fight with a defacto industry standard."
1536383;1473273481;asciilifeform;ah so no ampoule phone yet.
1536384;1473273485;mircea_popescu;"older" being the keyword. what happened to you know, "better".
1536385;1473273492;asciilifeform;just a 'let's make proprietary jack' thing.
1536386;1473273494;asciilifeform;so 1990s.
1536387;1473273515;trinque;they're gonna beam microwaves through your skull moar now
1536388;1473273524;thestringpuller;I don't understand it, cause bluetooth traditionally sucks for audio fidelity
1536389;1473273550;asciilifeform;bluetooth sucked from the 'pairing' thing.
1536390;1473273552;thestringpuller;this is why as an audiophile, I have a vinyl player at work.
1536391;1473273555;asciilifeform;(srsly, multi-second delays?!)
1536392;1473273567;asciilifeform;which is why the logitech mouse proprietary-radio thing still sells so well
1536393;1473273571;asciilifeform;0 delay.
1536394;1473273572;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller here's a little understood bit of corporate insanity : if a dying company dies normally, it is assumed the ceo & co were idiots ; if it dies as a result of doing something large and monunemtally stupid, it is assumed the ceo & team were brave souls who caught a bad break.
1536395;1473273574;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you ever try watching a movie on early bluetooth headphones?
1536396;1473273587;mircea_popescu;this stimulates a lot of outright insane behaviour in large companies.
1536397;1473273597;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: early bluetooth was ~unusable entirely.
1536398;1473273607;mircea_popescu;stupidity on an epic scale not only didn't end carly fiorina's career among her own kind - but actually made her hillary's best friend
1536399;1473273615;mircea_popescu;a hillary who is also known for similar approach.
1536400;1473273646;thestringpuller;from all my ventures into being an audiophile at some point the analog tech produces sounds your ears can't even hear
1536401;1473273663;thestringpuller;hence why flac files are like gigs large
1536402;1473273689;trinque;one song flac is ~40MB
1536403;1473273723;thestringpuller;trinque: sorry: meant vinyl rips of albums.
1536404;1473273762;thestringpuller;Like the rip my friend did of one of my 70's Stevie Wonder albums was like ~2 gb
1536405;1473273788;jurov;vinyl has its own artifacts, no?
1536406;1473273837;mircea_popescu;this seems altogether a dubious proposition seeing how for all the wankery now surrounding them, vinyl records are industrial mass products ; from a time when 8kbps was a lot.
1536407;1473273861;asciilifeform;what bps, analogue.
1536408;1473273879;asciilifeform;snr, in db.
1536409;1473273883;jurov;the studio mastering has to shoehorn the record into vinyl's deficiencies (so that the tracks don't touch etc)
1536410;1473273884;mircea_popescu;yes they weren't originally digitized. if you think 1960s microphones and buzzy electronics make for a better quality...
1536411;1473273888;trinque;aha, they rip them in say 24bit/96kHz so they can hear the crackles and pops in ultra high def
1536412;1473273906;asciilifeform;'audiophilia' is a psychiatric condition.
1536413;1473273908;asciilifeform;we had thread.
1536414;1473273974;thestringpuller;personal prefernce. i tend to like vocals on non condenser mic's cause they sound more "warm"
1536415;1473274007;*;mircea_popescu recently found out why ~all the casters in 1920/1930s sound the fucking same.
1536416;1473274013;mircea_popescu;the fucking mics!
1536417;1473274017;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1536418;1473274025;mircea_popescu;i thought they're just doing that weird voice deliberately
1536419;1473274026;asciilifeform;i had this mike, and a modern one, as a boy, and compared.
1536420;1473274040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well some of us have to do that as adults.
1536421;1473274040;asciilifeform;on 1960s-era sov. tape deck.
1536422;1473274043;asciilifeform;lel
1536423;1473274058;mircea_popescu;i just assumed it's a matter of fashion.
1536424;1473274073;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/sC8F2 << in other lulz, 'Ferguson, Missouri, protest leader found shot dead in burning car: police'
1536425;1473274100;mircea_popescu;anyone seen that great hoffa movie ?
1536426;1473274110;mircea_popescu;seems pertinent, if compressed into just a coupla years.
1536427;1473274145;*;asciilifeform not familiar
1536428;1473274186;mircea_popescu;!~google hoffa by danny devito
1536429;1473274187;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Hoffa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoffa>; Hoffa (1992) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104427/>; Reel history | Hoffa : DeVito shouldn't have hassled the Hoff? | Film ...: <https://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/mar/11/jimmy-hoffa-jack-nicholson>
1536430;1473274209;mircea_popescu;guy's a pretty good director/
1536431;1473274524;asciilifeform;meanwhile, 'orcs want to be #trilema', https://archive.is/dHnYS
1536432;1473274585;mircea_popescu;lol
1536433;1473274685;mircea_popescu;in other news, good god how can these idiots be so fucking tedious.
1536434;1473274693;asciilifeform;which
1536435;1473274730;mircea_popescu;uh... SUTOs
1536436;1473274743;mircea_popescu;why the fuck bother looking for a work. redditards, lesswrongians, you name it.
1536437;1473274780;asciilifeform;still working with butterfly collection or wat.
1536438;1473274804;mircea_popescu;apparently the yudkowsky fellow pod' his atrocious fanfic.
1536439;1473274819;asciilifeform;waiwat
1536440;1473274825;mircea_popescu;http://i.imgur.com/XGCg8Dm.jpg
1536441;1473274833;asciilifeform;http://hpmor.com << ?
1536442;1473274855;asciilifeform;ah
1536443;1473274888;asciilifeform;eh, 'print on demand' is ultra-cheap, i once-off code and other materials to take to the beach.
1536444;1473274891;asciilifeform;and so do many folks.
1536445;1473274896;mircea_popescu;yes.
1536446;1473274925;asciilifeform;it is literally cheaper, even in qty==1 (!) than using own printer.
1536447;1473274930;mircea_popescu;yep.
1536448;1473274940;mircea_popescu;esp if you want the shit bound. but even looseleaf.
1536449;1473274945;asciilifeform;well yes.
1536450;1473275005;asciilifeform;hm, isn't that 'harry potter' logo trademarked in usa ?
1536451;1473275021;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1536452;1473275039;mircea_popescu;!!key <is3nn>
1536453;1473275042;mircea_popescu;!!key is3nn
1536454;1473275154;mircea_popescu;hm
1536455;1473275179;mircea_popescu;!!key mircea_popescu
1536456;1473275193;*;trinque looks
1536457;1473275198;mircea_popescu;ty
1536458;1473275256;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1536459;1473275328;trinque;it barfed a "no address associated with name" trying to talk to wotpaste
1536460;1473275341;mircea_popescu;dns ?
1536461;1473275587;trinque;mircea_popescu: yes, but will now change that.
1536462;1473275594;trinque;ben_vulpes: pls to sign current wotpaste IP
1536463;1473275644;trinque;also this just got an error message:
1536464;1473275648;trinque;!!key is3nn
1536465;1473275648;deedbot;No such key.
1536466;1473275652;trinque;!!key trinque
1536467;1473275652;mircea_popescu;aha
1536468;1473275654;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/010kf/?raw=true
1536469;1473276306;asciilifeform;in lulz elsewhere, 'The new iPhones will be more durable than any that have come before, at least when it comes to serious corruption from water and dust. The next-gen models meet the IP67 protection standard, which is good enough to briefly drop it in a pool (or, more likely, a toilet) but not good enough to shower with regularly.'
1536470;1473276314;asciilifeform;the toilet thing is, iirc, an actually common failure mode.
1536471;1473276317;asciilifeform;(dun ask me how.)
1536472;1473276421;asciilifeform;and, best of all,
1536473;1473276444;asciilifeform;'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
1536474;1473276483;asciilifeform;coming soon to a pnoje near yoo: 'ЕГГОГ: UNAUTHORIZED EAR'
1536475;1473276520;asciilifeform;Closing The Analogue Hole!11111 (tm) (r)
1536476;1473276535;asciilifeform;(or what, analogue jack abolished 'for no reason' ?)
1536477;1473276746;thestringpuller;omg 160 bucks for a pair of headphones that will accumulate in earwax
1536478;1473276752;thestringpuller;fucking shit. man.
1536479;1473276769;asciilifeform;there is also the 'accessory license' thing, 'The 3.5mm jack is robust, familiar, secure, well-documented, and so on — we’ve seen the argument play out over the last year. You know why it’s good: because it works, reliably, worldwide, with millions of devices. Without Apple’s permission. See, it’s that last part that must bother them. The idea that someone, somewhere, is doing something with an iPhone that they haven’t an
1536480;1473276769;asciilifeform;ticipated, like making a thermometer or payment system or 3D scanner. Someone who hasn’t paid for a license to attach that thing to their phone.' ( https://archive.is/WLf7L )
1536481;1473277133;shinohai;!!key is3nn
1536482;1473277144;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/k8p95/?raw=true
1536483;1473280949;mircea_popescu;!!key is3nn
1536484;1473280951;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/tmggk/?raw=true
1536485;1473281432;mircea_popescu;yeah well... if only the original authors of the us had a way to prevent the current fucktards from using it in a way they hadn't anticipated.
1536486;1473281757;mircea_popescu;btw, was someone asking for http://trilema.com/2012/fucking-a-guide ?
1536487;1473281829;ben_vulpes;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ukwks/?raw=true
1536488;1473281834;deedbot;accepted: 1
1536489;1473281847;ben_vulpes;should probably have a block number in it, eh?
1536490;1473281854;ben_vulpes;anyways, trinque will that suffice for now?
1536491;1473281874;mircea_popescu;it gets the block number through deeding anyway
1536492;1473281898;trinque;^
1536493;1473281901;ben_vulpes;ah
1536494;1473281907;trinque;ty
1536495;1473282339;trinque;and de-dns'd
1536496;1473282944;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-428745.txt
1536497;1473283725;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/black-man-shot-in-north-saint-louis-county/ << Qntra - Black Man Shot In North Saint Louis County
1536498;1473283895;mircea_popescu;in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
1536499;1473284135;mircea_popescu;(apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
1536500;1473284189;asciilifeform;yegge appears to be a thing much beloved by alice_ .
1536501;1473284237;mircea_popescu;it's mildly shocking to see the whole pile of supposed lisp experts who are actually not known to have written, let alone run, any lisp.
1536502;1473284276;asciilifeform;how any stranger than sexprerts who have no sex, 'chemists' who never touched glass, the lot.
1536503;1473284366;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's rather evident that there's a mutually-reinforcing ring of idiots. check out yegge's wikipedia article, for instance. curated with love.
1536504;1473284466;asciilifeform;'Yegge accidentally made an internal Google memo public on Google+ in October 2011. His 3,700-word comment garnered major media and blogger attention for Yegge's pointed commentary criticizing the leanings of the company's technological culture (such as labeling Google+'s minimalist and, in his view, lackluster public platform "a pathetic afterthought") as well as for his comments about his former employer, Amazon (such as calling Am
1536505;1473284466;asciilifeform;azon CEO Jeff Bezos "Dread Pirate Bezos"). Google co-founder Sergey Brin stated that he would still have his job.'
1536506;1473284468;asciilifeform;lel.
1536507;1473284486;mircea_popescu;you prolly recall this, iirc was in the logs.
1536508;1473284520;asciilifeform;'notable' !11111111
1536509;1473284560;asciilifeform;'...some observations that I think are relevant to anyone who writes programs (start reading from “the dubious future of emacs“). It's hard to argue with the value of self-hosting. It's even harder to argue with the momentum of the browser and dynamic environments.' << gold.
1536510;1473284976;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2016/09/bahamas-g20-landing-brouhaha/#comment-69505
1536511;1473285224;BingoBoingo;!!up Lightsword
1536512;1473285224;deedbot;Lightsword voiced for 30 minutes.
1536513;1473285740;shinohai;"i lost the passphrase for the gpg key i created yesterday and i can't decrypt the msg mircea_popescu sent me...is it ok if a create another key and register with this?"
1536514;1473285744;shinohai;lulz
1536515;1473286016;mircea_popescu;sigh
1536516;1473286103;shinohai;Rocket science
1536517;1473286313;mircea_popescu;honestly, he had his shot. next.
1536518;1473286326;mircea_popescu;this isn't no kids left behind club ; but on the contrary.
1536519;1473286626;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, "The GNU Hurd is under active development. Because of that, there is no stable version." << cca may 2016
1536520;1473286718;mircea_popescu;"It's time [to] explain the meaning of "Hurd". "Hurd" stands for "Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons". And, then, "Hird" stands for "Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth". We have here, to my knowledge, the first software to be named by a pair of mutually recursive acronyms." << arguably its most notable accomplishment to date.
1536521;1473287096;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did i fall into a parallel universe some time recently where linus lifting the hurd userland never happened ?
1536522;1473287097;asciilifeform;or wat.
1536523;1473287130;mircea_popescu;what, you think that made them admit they suck ?
1536524;1473287138;mircea_popescu;this is a communist government ; the only cure is grave.
1536525;1473287149;asciilifeform;forget 'admit'
1536526;1473287153;asciilifeform;but it was achievement
1536527;1473287161;asciilifeform;rather than the acronym thing
1536528;1473287173;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, t
1536529;1473287181;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, torvalds is achievement of hurd ? wut ?
1536530;1473287188;asciilifeform;and dead folk dun admit things
1536531;1473287189;asciilifeform;afaik.
1536532;1473287198;mircea_popescu;wait wait, stallman died ?
1536533;1473287201;asciilifeform;torvalds lifted the userland utils
1536534;1473287220;mircea_popescu;i prefer "liberated".
1536535;1473287242;asciilifeform;liberated, lifted, pillaged, whichever.
1536536;1473287279;asciilifeform;bsd, recall, in modern sense, was not yet a thing.
1536537;1473287286;asciilifeform;it was gnu's or 'write own'.
1536538;1473287298;mircea_popescu;no, actually, actually architect wanted to just adapt a bsd
1536539;1473287308;mircea_popescu;but stallman wanted to wait n years for some ivy league product.
1536540;1473287310;mircea_popescu;which sucked.
1536541;1473287322;asciilifeform;kernel, mircea_popescu
1536542;1473287330;mircea_popescu;yes ?
1536543;1473287344;asciilifeform;bsd userland iirc was not yet available for linuxization.
1536544;1473287351;asciilifeform;(was stuck in copyrast limbo)
1536545;1473287365;mircea_popescu;you meant above the bsd userland didn't exist ?
1536546;1473287387;asciilifeform;existed, payware.
1536547;1473287392;*;asciilifeform brb - meat
1536548;1473287401;mircea_popescu;so it was, steal from gnu, steal from mit, write own.
1536549;1473287407;mircea_popescu;they stole from the losers. logical.
1536550;1473287499;mircea_popescu;anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
1536551;1473287508;mircea_popescu;a ~certain~ groupthink, of a certain sort of people.
1536552;1473287605;mircea_popescu;"At the risk of predicting future fashion trends, which is rarely a good idea, I'll venture that objects are going to continue to be trendy for at least a few more decades. So I think Lisp needs some form of "seamless" OOP." and all that.
1536553;1473288153;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1536554;1473288156;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 428752 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 655 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 10 hours, 56 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1536555;1473288306;ben_vulpes;lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
1536556;1473289627;ben_vulpes;!!up alice_
1536557;1473289627;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1536558;1473289666;*;shinohai pops popcorn
1536559;1473289722;alice_;hi
1536560;1473289857;mircea_popescu;"So XEmacs has never been a particularly good tool for serious Emacs users because even though it's written in C, it crashes like a mature C++ application." mwahahaha
1536561;1473290292;BingoBoingo;re: tulpas, when I first saw the word in use I assumed based on phonetics that hamplanets were ascirbing personalities to their FUPAS
1536562;1473290471;alice_;so does mircea_popescu fool around with tulpas or
1536563;1473290502;*;shinohai snickers
1536564;1473290520;*;BingoBoingo recently saw a transmay get winded moving from their scootypuff to a riding lawnmower to see if the small tractors would "fit"
1536565;1473290528;BingoBoingo;Spoiler alert: it didn't fit
1536566;1473290562;BingoBoingo;panniculus spread their legs in a seated position too far to reach the pedals
1536567;1473290852;asciilifeform;hey hey ho ho lbjhasgottogo^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H my inductive probes are here.
1536568;1473290898;asciilifeform;and they actually work, somewhat surprisingly. at least for now. LJ12A3.
1536569;1473290991;asciilifeform;sorta like miniature ww2 minesweepers.
1536570;1473291021;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I finally acquired a pair of needlenose pliers that don't seem to suck
1536571;1473291029;asciilifeform;bring within 0.5cm or so of conductive object, and it conducts.
1536572;1473291039;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they're all great when new.
1536573;1473291107;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Cutting screws with them at the moment
1536574;1473291120;asciilifeform;alice_: what were vrelta and ukuku ?
1536575;1473291176;alice_;asciilifeform: tell me more about why you're asking. this channel is assholes, which is a communication style i'm not used to, so i'd like more details :)
1536576;1473291188;alice_;i don't mind, just saying ;)
1536577;1473291202;asciilifeform;alice_: think of it as a kind of boot camp.
1536578;1473291232;asciilifeform;n00bz are slowly disassembled into component atoms and - on occasion - reassemble themselves into something that is interesting to have conversation with.
1536579;1473291241;asciilifeform;typically happens ~6 mo. later.
1536580;1473291275;alice_;this _is_ related to why you are assholes
1536581;1473291297;BingoBoingo;See again
1536582;1473291302;BingoBoingo;!~step2
1536583;1473291302;jhvh1;2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
1536584;1473291314;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that thing is a snore.
1536585;1473291321;asciilifeform;ftr.
1536586;1473291332;alice_;does mircea_popescu fool around with tulpas
1536587;1473291338;asciilifeform;reminds me of the keychain i spend my first u.s. dollar on, BingoBoingo
1536588;1473291345;BingoBoingo;But it does pull the wings off
1536589;1473291346;asciilifeform;it had 8 buttons, for 8 types of bleep/bloop/etc.
1536590;1473291358;BingoBoingo;AHA
1536591;1473291364;asciilifeform;i traded a hefty shoebox of rubles for it.
1536592;1473291371;asciilifeform;(the dollar, that is.)
1536593;1473291381;asciilifeform;'echo killer'.
1536594;1473291397;asciilifeform;https://assets.listia.com/photos/1142334/original.jpg?s=320x320m&sig=350ef03a9f127f58&ts=1285207571 << it !
1536595;1473291413;asciilifeform;https://lh4.ggpht.com/nCL4JvwNDPYRV8H_zpxGxVJ57XPfjAK7N1EhW2nE35XF7S3FUqTrzmYRNlQj2vEfeA=h310 << emulator !
1536596;1473291431;BingoBoingo;SWEET!
1536597;1473291441;shinohai;ty asciilifeform
1536598;1473291442;asciilifeform;!!up alice_
1536599;1473291442;deedbot;alice_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1536600;1473291487;asciilifeform;sooo alice_ iirc i was the one you were originally looking for. what do you wish to know..?
1536601;1473291514;jurov;she wanted to know more about assholes
1536602;1473291650;asciilifeform;alice_: mircea_popescu dedicated an entire article to you.
1536603;1473291679;shinohai;Best trilema article I have read all week too
1536604;1473291736;alice_;adorable
1536605;1473291865;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536560 << emacs, like unix earlier, or much later - bitcoin, was a shitprototype that got stuck in battlefield use ~forever.
1536606;1473291865;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 23:10 mircea_popescu: "So XEmacs has never been a particularly good tool for serious Emacs users because even though it's written in C, it crashes like a mature C++ application." mwahahaha
1536607;1473291874;asciilifeform;xemacs was a kind of gavinatronic clone.
1536608;1473291939;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536550 << java/cpp-style oop is not actually oop, but a kind of u.s. mba-endorsed mental bonsaikittenation .
1536609;1473291939;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 22:31 mircea_popescu: anyway, the original linked lisp verbiage was funny to me mostly because it's all written from the perspective of "object oriented is god". which was very much groupthink cca 2006.
1536610;1473291995;asciilifeform;(missing metaobject protocol - no introspection; lack of even such a basic thing as the mix-in)
1536611;1473292075;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536555 << 'flavours', as seen in zetalisp. released circa '79 iirc.
1536612;1473292075;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 22:45 ben_vulpes: lisp has had seamless oop since what the seventies?
1536613;1473292086;asciilifeform;various larval forms thereof - prior.
1536614;1473292118;asciilifeform;was slow to catch on, because if your language isn't braindamaged, the ~actual~ domain for oopism is quite small.
1536615;1473292142;alice_;asciilifeform: you make up bs insults because {you find it entertaining} and {boot camp narrative} ?
1536616;1473292149;asciilifeform;(largely limited to extremely large system with numerous ~independently functioning modules)
1536617;1473292166;alice_;(not judging, i don't mind)
1536618;1473292175;asciilifeform;alice_: do you know expression 'в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят' ?
1536619;1473292182;asciilifeform;i recommend to look it up
1536620;1473292222;asciilifeform;alice_: presumably you are here because you heard that there were interesting folk around, and wished to learn something.
1536621;1473292266;asciilifeform;this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers.
1536622;1473292304;asciilifeform;there are people who do not like this. the exit hatch is to your left, pull the red lever.
1536623;1473292461;alice_;nice, sounds very respectable
1536624;1473292468;alice_;i'm glad you're happy with your life :)
1536625;1473292502;asciilifeform;this here place is full of merry merry folk.
1536626;1473292514;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers. << Unless your university is new Social Justice Mizzou that wants to tear down the original Thomas Jefferson grave marker,
1536627;1473292515;asciilifeform;!!up nacci
1536628;1473292515;deedbot;nacci voiced for 30 minutes.
1536629;1473292531;shinohai;!~translate ru to en в чужой монастырь со своим уставом не ходят
1536630;1473292532;jhvh1;shinohai: in a strange monastery with its regulations do not go
1536631;1473292538;asciilifeform;meh jhvh1
1536632;1473292542;trinque;!!up gabriel_laddel
1536633;1473292542;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1536634;1473292542;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel
1536635;1473292543;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1536636;1473292553;gabriel_laddel;alice_: what is your ethnicity / where are you from?
1536637;1473292571;asciilifeform;shinohai: approx. 'do not try to slip in with your own set of vows into another's monastery'
1536638;1473292623;asciilifeform;somebody oughta buy that fella a new set of pistons for his modem.
1536639;1473292631;trinque;lol
1536640;1473292646;trinque;somewhere a pull-starter clacks
1536641;1473292647;asciilifeform;or was it carburetor.
1536642;1473292728;alice_;i'm p sure there aren't interesting folk around tho
1536643;1473292739;BingoBoingo;Prolly all the ethanol varnished his carbuerator
1536644;1473292750;alice_;i am still entertained by your antics
1536645;1473292757;mircea_popescu;still with this ?
1536646;1473292761;mircea_popescu;!!down alice_
1536647;1473292779;asciilifeform;popped by ze snr police!1111
1536648;1473292797;mircea_popescu;long past its use-by date.
1536649;1473292802;shinohai;Now how will we ever know if mircea_popescu fools around with tulpas
1536650;1473292809;asciilifeform;eh i was hopin' to learn who sent it.
1536651;1473292822;asciilifeform;and we were short a decimation
1536652;1473292824;mircea_popescu;you can probably intuit.
1536653;1473292845;asciilifeform;what i can't readily apprehend is wtf do they bother.
1536654;1473292874;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2250282/
1536655;1473292905;mircea_popescu;if i for some reason decide to review this movie, there goes about 60% of all the google juice and thus existence of the whole anglotard appropriation effort.
1536656;1473292947;hanbot;but on night! hahaha
1536657;1473292958;mircea_popescu;butt on!
1536658;1473292990;asciilifeform;what even.
1536659;1473293003;asciilifeform;'Lisa Boeri is a successful businesswoman obsessed with her career - on day. But on night, she is visiting private nightclub Tulpa, club where your sickest, most erotic fantasies come true.'
1536660;1473293158;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/9BsSX << in other lulz. 'A classified U.S. document, dated from 2005, cautioned spy agency employees against revealing the truth. “It is important to know the established cover story for MHS [Menwith Hill Station] and to protect the fact that MHS is an intelligence collection facility,” the document stated. “Any reference to satellites being operated or any connection to intelligence gathering is strictly pro
1536661;1473293158;asciilifeform;hibited.”'
1536662;1473293229;asciilifeform;'The NSA’s documents describe GHOSTHUNTER as a means “to locate targets when they log onto the internet.” It was first developed in 2006 as “the only capability of its kind” and it enabled “a significant number of capture-kill operations” against alleged terrorists. '
1536663;1473293255;mircea_popescu;what exactly is "log onto the internet" supposed to fucking mean ? aol ?
1536664;1473293267;asciilifeform;https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/07/ghosthunter3.jpg << herr orlol will love the 'rocket up the sat dish' aspect of this lultron.
1536665;1473293281;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is referring to sat dish, the camel fucker's aol.
1536666;1473293294;mircea_popescu;a significant number of three ?
1536667;1473293302;asciilifeform;handy, apparently, target beacon.
1536668;1473293514;asciilifeform;'If the U.K. government knows that it is transferring data that may be used for drone strikes against non-combatants … that transfer is probably unlawful,” Stratford told the members of Parliament. “An individual involved in passing that information is likely to be an accessory to murder.' << l0l!
1536669;1473293517;*;asciilifeform falls down.
1536670;1473293526;mircea_popescu;it's true.
1536671;1473293547;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1535493 << see also.
1536672;1473293547;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 00:44 mircea_popescu: a government can never be solvent ; a government can never operate legally.
1536673;1473293564;mircea_popescu;yes. but any individual thinking himself protected because "government told me so" will still hand.
1536674;1473293567;mircea_popescu;hang*
1536675;1473293572;mircea_popescu;as per the von flondor doctrine.
1536676;1473293631;asciilifeform;hasn't happened once since, idk, the assyrians? but there is always a first.
1536677;1473293644;mircea_popescu;i dunno what trump is gonna do ; maybe he hangs everyone ever involved with the democratic party. maybe he doesn't. if i end up in power however - i do.
1536678;1473293650;mircea_popescu;same for airstrip one, same for everywhere.
1536679;1473293658;mircea_popescu;were you part of "modern democracy" ? you're crow food.
1536680;1473293850;asciilifeform;i still read him as an english-speaking zhirinovsky.
1536681;1473293860;mircea_popescu;possibru
1536682;1473293863;asciilifeform;y'know, the fella kpss hired to run 'opposition'
1536683;1473293886;asciilifeform;if he weren't, would at least be recruiting a brownshirt legion by now, imho.
1536684;1473293898;mircea_popescu;maybe he is. hard to tell.
1536685;1473293899;asciilifeform;to make sure election goes in correct direction.
1536686;1473293925;asciilifeform;eh not as if asciilifeform would be the ~first~ to know if brownshirt legion were recruiting, but likes to think he would not be the ~last~
1536687;1473293950;mircea_popescu;and why not ? the way these things work, "everyone knew" what the sa was up to. except, of course, for everyone, from pappen down.
1536688;1473293977;asciilifeform;its existence was not mega-seekrit tho.
1536689;1473294008;mircea_popescu;nra's existence is not mega seekrit, among numerous other such things. much like sa's existence was not secret, but also not relevant. the commies had bigger and for that reason supposedly better paramilitaries.
1536690;1473294079;asciilifeform;tru
1536691;1473294092;mircea_popescu;notoriously hard to ferret out, these things.
1536692;1473294111;mircea_popescu;note that many people drove over to defend weirdo cattle farmer.
1536693;1473294119;mircea_popescu;if trump goes on tv ? yeah they'll come over.
1536694;1473294128;asciilifeform;iirc farmer is doin' hard time now
1536695;1473294128;mircea_popescu;how many ? 10k ? 100 ? 1mn ? only one way to find out.
1536696;1473294151;mircea_popescu;all he has to do is the traditional 1936 "march in defense of values" bla bla.\
1536697;1473294191;asciilifeform;if bbet were still a thing i'd put a few coin on 'not only mr. t loses, but slobodans and takes 'wrong' blood pressure pill soon after.'
1536698;1473294216;mircea_popescu;honestly i give it even odds the whole affair ends up with hillary behind bars.
1536699;1473294265;mircea_popescu;she's ~ in the position of argentina's ex-chief-whore.
1536700;1473294453;shinohai;!!key nacci
1536701;1473294455;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/fxloc/?raw=true
1536702;1473295120;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:1059/to:1172#1059 << me looks through list, discovers in appalment he hasn't even written that much this week.
1536703;1473295121;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [1/5] [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
1536704;1473295121;scriba;[2/5] [21:15:44] <deedbot> http://deedbot.org/bundle-428745.txt
1536705;1473295124;scriba;[3/5] [21:28:45] <deedbot> http://qntra.net/2016/09/black-man-shot-in-north-saint-louis-county/ << Qntra - Black Man Shot In North Saint Louis County
1536706;1473295125;scriba;[4/5] [21:31:35] <mircea_popescu> in other random, anyone play a game called "wyvern" ?
1536707;1473295129;scriba;[5/5] [21:35:35] <mircea_popescu> (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
1536708;1473295135;mircea_popescu;o boy.
1536709;1473295158;mircea_popescu;now ima have to police my urls o.
1536710;1473295173;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1172 << me looks through list, discovers in appalment he hasn't even written that much this week.
1536711;1473295173;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:41:19] <shinohai> Best trilema article I have read all week too
1536712;1473295178;mircea_popescu;there we go
1536713;1473295185;BingoBoingo;seriously, Mo Bots Mo Bottoms
1536714;1473295354;shinohai;Well, I sometimes go back and read older articles, I should have clarified.
1536715;1473295376;mircea_popescu;back when i was younger i wrote twenty articles a week!
1536716;1473295469;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1059 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
1536717;1473295469;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [21:05:39] <trinque> and de-dns'd
1536718;1473295476;mircea_popescu;grh!
1536719;1473295492;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/#1200 << don't take your tropar to another monastery.
1536720;1473295492;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [23:55:32] <jhvh1> shinohai: in a strange monastery with its regulations do not go
1536721;1473295707;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1kUf
1536722;1473295707;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1536723;1473295840;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1536724;1473296040;shinohai;Also fixed Qntra bot on twitter until next time it breaks
1536725;1473296125;BingoBoingo;!~ty shinohai
1536726;1473296125;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1536727;1473296178;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/the-presiglassial-ceiling/ << Qntra - The Presiglassial Ceiling
1536728;1473296208;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/past-dropbox-use-casts-spectre/ << Qntra - Past Dropbox Use Casts Spectre
1536729;1473296537;thestringpuller;so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
1536730;1473296557;asciilifeform;about what, megablox ?
1536731;1473296573;thestringpuller;no. "THE INTERNET OF MONEY"
1536732;1473296580;thestringpuller;a collection of his "talks" which really suck
1536733;1473296584;asciilifeform;snore.
1536734;1473296610;thestringpuller;GIGASNORE. But dunno why people keep buying his book.
1536735;1473296620;asciilifeform;'people'
1536736;1473296623;asciilifeform;'buying'
1536737;1473296661;thestringpuller;nah. this book was launched as part of a "touring strategy" because 5 wheel solutions can't get any actual work
1536738;1473296702;thestringpuller;like when Rick James decided to go on tour and play his oldies when he ran out of money to buy cocaine
1536739;1473297491;mircea_popescu;o hey it made it ?!
1536740;1473297830;asciilifeform;http://lesswrong.com/user/alicey/overview << in other noose, our njoo phriend.
1536741;1473297874;asciilifeform;'afaict the quirrell tulpa is one of the more common types of tulpas. if you have one, do not use it. it is secretly voldemort and will destroy your soul.'
1536742;1473297903;mircea_popescu;the what ?
1536743;1473297916;asciilifeform;i do not have sufficient lsd to say what.
1536744;1473297935;mircea_popescu;you mentioned it!
1536745;1473297965;asciilifeform;it came out of the pipe, what.
1536746;1473297985;asciilifeform;presented here for vivisectionist interest strictly.
1536747;1473298033;asciilifeform;'Hi! I live in a rationalist house in Berkeley. It sounds really cringey and not really rationalist.'
1536748;1473298040;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:82/to:82#82 << is this the one with the ethereum derpage or another one ?
1536749;1473298040;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:02:17] <thestringpuller> so derpopulus is bleeding money so he wrote another book
1536750;1473298049;asciilifeform;( http://lesswrong.com/lw/kv6/rationalist_house/bks3 )
1536751;1473298072;mircea_popescu;wait, "rationalist" derps pivoting towards cult ?
1536752;1473298083;asciilifeform;it was a stereotypical cult eons ago.
1536753;1473298099;asciilifeform;today a red dwarf cult, or whatever one calls those.
1536754;1473298108;asciilifeform;y'know, when the comet just keeps not comin'.
1536755;1473298160;asciilifeform;'I am a mealsquares-mostly eating person though! Because mealsquares are wonderful.'
1536756;1473298168;asciilifeform;this has got to be a gag.
1536757;1473298182;asciilifeform;' I am in berkeley and learning these math things.'
1536758;1473298284;asciilifeform;'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
1536759;1473298292;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu what ~IS~ that? syphilis ?
1536760;1473298365;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> i do not have sufficient lsd to say what. << Go to any big box garden center. Search the housplants for a big ole San Pedro cactus, they will have at least one. Eat the whole thing.
1536761;1473298376;BingoBoingo;Excepting thorns
1536762;1473298384;asciilifeform;i'll pass on the vomitronic kthx
1536763;1473298400;BingoBoingo;Nah, that's ahayusca
1536764;1473298463;thestringpuller;^- true story
1536765;1473298474;asciilifeform;http://lesswrong.com/lw/kxy/simulate_and_defer_to_more_rational_selves << holy mother of fuck.
1536766;1473298497;asciilifeform;'BrienneYudkowsky    I sometimes let imaginary versions of myself make decisions for me. ...'
1536767;1473298508;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: he could also go to cow pasture and look for mushrooms.
1536768;1473298517;*;asciilifeform checks dosimeter, finds that it is maxed out.
1536769;1473298537;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Nah, the grow on shit prolly tast like shit.
1536770;1473299026;asciilifeform;https://qntm.org/personas << holy shit, this contagion's been spreadin', seem like.
1536771;1473299037;asciilifeform;'Personas: imaginary friends for software developers'
1536772;1473299056;asciilifeform;'our modern society is just memetically uncomfortable with this idea for stupid reasons, not unlike the reasons they're uncomfortable with transpeople ' << didjaknow!
1536773;1473299147;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Remember these folks are just that loath to admit that they, themselves are broken and suck.
1536774;1473299169;asciilifeform;and now!
1536775;1473299187;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's fine kunstkammer presents...:
1536776;1473299195;asciilifeform;>> https://archive.is/3zBTA << .
1536777;1473299712;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform
1536778;1473299854;asciilifeform;yw BingoBoingo .
1536779;1473299878;BingoBoingo;I was not surprised twas a white gurl
1536780;1473299887;asciilifeform;gurl with adam's apple.
1536781;1473299939;asciilifeform;( i hear they get'em belt-sanded off now-adays, but not on a javascript wage. )
1536782;1473300265;asciilifeform;whatever happed to our last one of these
1536783;1473300312;asciilifeform;!~seen
1536784;1473300312;jhvh1;asciilifeform: (seen [<channel>] <nick>) -- Returns the last time <nick> was seen and what <nick> was last seen saying. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. <nick> may contain * as a wildcard.
1536785;1473300315;asciilifeform;!~seen brendafdez
1536786;1473300315;jhvh1;asciilifeform: I have not seen brendafdez.
1536787;1473300319;asciilifeform;eh.
1536788;1473300361;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well sometimes transmission lacks will and wheels?
1536789;1473300475;asciilifeform;memetically uncomfortable !111111
1536790;1473300511;BingoBoingo;lol
1536791;1473300558;asciilifeform;http://www.mealsquares.com << turns out - they do exist.
1536792;1473300586;shinohai;Maybe she can !~tits ?
1536793;1473300586;asciilifeform;and if i stick around in this godforsaken shitland long enough, i'll probably find out what they taste like.
1536794;1473300601;asciilifeform;the 'mealsquares,' that is.
1536795;1473300623;asciilifeform;shinohai: i dun think synthetic tits happen on a javascript wage.
1536796;1473300630;asciilifeform;but i could be wrong.
1536797;1473300634;asciilifeform;Progress!111
1536798;1473300655;asciilifeform;'MealSquares let you eat a balanced variety of whole foods without having to study nutrition, carefully plan meals, or go grocery shopping. Learn what's in a square, read our FAQ, or become a beta tester.'
1536799;1473300658;*;shinohai wouldn't be surprised if this thing has fix-a-flat titjob
1536800;1473300696;asciilifeform;do i even want to know what that is
1536801;1473300787;asciilifeform;'​ENJOY A 25-HOUR DAY​​'
1536802;1473300793;asciilifeform;dry catfood for peeeeeple
1536803;1473300796;asciilifeform;it is finally here.
1536804;1473300806;BingoBoingo;Why wouldn't you want to know how polyurethane foam is being abused
1536805;1473300869;asciilifeform;'More protein per calorie than a Big Mac, less sugar than a banana. The energy bar has grown up.'
1536806;1473300879;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: but is it memetically comfortable!
1536807;1473300929;asciilifeform;are they serving 'mealsquares' to soldiers yet ?
1536808;1473300932;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It could be supremely memetically comfortable. Many folks now prophylactically get their lawn tractor tires filled with fix-o-flat!
1536809;1473300932;asciilifeform;or afraid they'll frag ?
1536810;1473301009;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#111 << sounds like a well trained slave.
1536811;1473301009;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:31:24] <asciilifeform> 'she who wears the magic bracelet of future-self delegation http://i.imgur.com/5Bfq4we.png prefers to do as she is ordered'
1536812;1473301118;mircea_popescu;and no, looks like ordinary ginger.
1536813;1473301316;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#132 << i'm very fucking surprised, sounded just like a derpy dude.
1536814;1473301316;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [01:57:58] <BingoBoingo> I was not surprised twas a white gurl
1536815;1473301322;asciilifeform;it was
1536816;1473301324;mircea_popescu;o wait. it... IS. heh. mmmkay.
1536817;1473301403;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#147 << they periodically get REAL EXCITED about stupid shit like this, dogfood - for people. there was some other nonsense selling it by the bushel bag, dun recall wtf it was called
1536818;1473301403;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [02:10:01] <asciilifeform> the 'mealsquares,' that is.
1536819;1473301409;mircea_popescu;kept pushing it on geek social media
1536820;1473301420;mircea_popescu;"complete meal" bla bla.
1536821;1473301434;asciilifeform;i can see it used on prisoners in political solitary, or some other helpless saps
1536822;1473301438;asciilifeform;but voluntarily??
1536823;1473301495;mircea_popescu;but the man-whores ARE prisoners in political solitary.
1536824;1473301505;mircea_popescu;sorry i meant to say "computer programmers" not man-whores.
1536825;1473301545;asciilifeform;~=
1536826;1473301632;mircea_popescu;Anna told me when she first became the executive director of CFAR, she suddenly had many more decisions to deal with per day than ever before. "Should we hire this person?" "Should I go buy more coffee for the coffee machine, or wait for someone else deal with it ?"
1536827;1473301640;mircea_popescu;aww the decisions of women in management.
1536828;1473301786;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Sl7qwnKO4 << wtf is with all the dude-looking "chicks" in "rationalism" anyway ?
1536829;1473301810;mircea_popescu;anyway. that's a slave collar on her yes ?
1536830;1473301813;asciilifeform;what do you ~think~.
1536831;1473301837;asciilifeform;i have nfi what kind of collar, will defer to the specialist
1536832;1473301867;mircea_popescu;looks homemade, so who the fuck can tell. maybe it's the dreamcather anti-quisling device or w/e it's called.
1536833;1473301909;asciilifeform;anti-quisling device << win
1536834;1473301913;*;asciilifeform falls over.
1536835;1473301919;mircea_popescu;what was it ?
1536836;1473301935;asciilifeform;'the magic bracelet of future-self delegation'
1536837;1473301947;mircea_popescu;nono, there's this ~satan rendition, the archenemy
1536838;1473301956;asciilifeform;roko's basilisk ?
1536839;1473301999;asciilifeform;(i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self')
1536840;1473302011;mircea_popescu;lmao
1536841;1473302115;asciilifeform;i disagree that they are wholly a snore. rather, valuable entomological specimens. they rode the libertard train to its logical final stop. e.g., EMULATED people are posited to exist, in the future projecting (yes) into the past which 'created' them, and have 'rights.'
1536842;1473302126;asciilifeform;just like the regular kind.
1536843;1473302152;mircea_popescu;"No.  I am asking:  Where do rationalists come from?  How do we acquire our powers?"
1536844;1473302169;mircea_popescu;i find it funny how they always fail on the most basic of questions. "who are you ?" "powers ? what powers ?" etc.
1536845;1473302225;asciilifeform;the power of mealsquare-gettin'
1536846;1473302305;asciilifeform;if the 'rationalist' folk did not exist, they would need to be created...
1536847;1473302325;mircea_popescu;it is mildly entertaining.
1536848;1473302372;mircea_popescu;currently appears as "coven of women wanted to be slaves - as women often do ; ended up stuck with a bunch of beta dorks, because whereby to get a master! did the best possible under circumstances, which is... at best pretty fucking weird."
1536849;1473302401;asciilifeform;dunno that more than ~handful of biological womenz are involved in any of this.
1536850;1473302415;mircea_popescu;i mean what the chick describes, "you dumb slut, when your master tells you to go the fuck outside you go the fuck outside, what arguments" is very basic slavegirl experience. the cruft she builts all around it though...
1536851;1473302493;mircea_popescu;what "imagine future self" for crying out loud. how about imagine your future butt. with welts and all.
1536852;1473302555;asciilifeform;none of these folk are getting arse welts any more than they'll be dragged on a rope under dirigible.
1536853;1473302571;mircea_popescu;yes, but the PLACE WHERE THEY'D GO is manifestly there.
1536854;1473302597;mircea_popescu;much like kid in soviet lands, with a catalogue for to apply stamps for a prize. there's the spaces clearly delineated ; and no stamps. ever.
1536855;1473302622;asciilifeform;^
1536856;1473302684;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. i imagine in typical style of the poor peasant girl, they tell themselves the reason they don't get to go to the seaside is because they're better than that.
1536857;1473302693;asciilifeform;BIG BUGZ
1536858;1473302695;asciilifeform;or what was it
1536859;1473302700;asciilifeform;gargauni ?
1536860;1473302703;mircea_popescu;that, yeah.
1536861;1473302709;mircea_popescu;nah , those are different bugs.
1536862;1473302723;asciilifeform;hm
1536863;1473302799;mircea_popescu;anyway, re "handful of biological women" : there was at no point in the history of porn that i;m aware of, a differential lower than three degrees of magnitude between the chick count and the dork count.
1536864;1473302811;mircea_popescu;so.. handful of girlz, yes, and a bunch of dorks, yes. numbers check out.
1536865;1473302858;asciilifeform;about same % as in, e.g., mining camp ?
1536866;1473302905;mircea_popescu;naa
1536867;1473302912;asciilifeform;or whatever other meatgrinder-for-supernumerary-males-with-chix-audience
1536868;1473302920;mircea_popescu;see, the delusion of choice adds like two to twelve zeroes.
1536869;1473302925;mircea_popescu;miners wanted at least a whif of the pussy.
1536870;1473302933;mircea_popescu;dorks are happy with squarefucks.
1536871;1473302959;asciilifeform;squarehappy.
1536872;1473302978;mircea_popescu;shouldn't happies be round ?
1536873;1473302978;asciilifeform;not these.
1536874;1473302980;asciilifeform;these - square.
1536875;1473302982;mircea_popescu;let's compromise :
1536876;1473302984;mircea_popescu;happycheese
1536877;1473303004;asciilifeform;sounds unpleasantly smegmatic for some reason.
1536878;1473303012;mircea_popescu;perhaps because it's true.
1536879;1473303068;asciilifeform;btw - ~why~ was it that the peasant gurl could not go to the sea ?
1536880;1473303080;asciilifeform;i never grasped
1536881;1473303087;mircea_popescu;by herself ?! what, as a 12yo or w/e ?!
1536882;1473303107;asciilifeform;or as older etc
1536883;1473303112;asciilifeform;folks dun stay 12 forever
1536884;1473303132;mircea_popescu;as older wouldn't be relevant to the story, being later. who knows, maybe she grew up to worship my footsepts.
1536885;1473303146;mircea_popescu;but in any case : you couldn't just BUY a hotel reservation. you had to get tickets.
1536886;1473303148;asciilifeform;ro is what, 900km wide ? and iirc it's got trains
1536887;1473303151;mircea_popescu;which were distributed by workplace
1536888;1473303154;mircea_popescu;so you had to be cool.
1536889;1473303168;mircea_popescu;if you tried to camp on the sea you'd have been arrested and sent to work.
1536890;1473303178;asciilifeform;crash with friends ?
1536891;1473303204;mircea_popescu;the #1 thing i liked about ro socialism and dislike in us socialism is this. idleness was fucking illegal, "homelessness" meant the police picked you up, beat you up, and sent you to work camp.
1536892;1473303214;mircea_popescu;and computer programming, as understood today, same.
1536893;1473303219;asciilifeform;тунеядство
1536894;1473303222;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well this one had no friends.
1536895;1473303223;asciilifeform;^ we had a word.
1536896;1473303227;asciilifeform;in the su penal code.
1536897;1473303237;asciilifeform;it doesn't even translate to eng.! afaik
1536898;1473303239;mircea_popescu;!~translate Ro to Ru vagabondaj
1536899;1473303240;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: бродяжничество
1536900;1473303251;asciilifeform;that sounds more britishy actually
1536901;1473303252;mircea_popescu;i think i like this better
1536902;1473303271;asciilifeform;!~translate Ru to Eng тунеядство
1536903;1473303273;jhvh1;asciilifeform: parasitism
1536904;1473303276;asciilifeform;nah.
1536905;1473303281;asciilifeform;or rather, not quite.
1536906;1473303283;mircea_popescu;yeah, this also existed, but entirely different.
1536907;1473303298;asciilifeform;more closely would be 'uselessly-eating'
1536908;1473303307;mircea_popescu;parasitism = mp lives off his investments. vagabondaj = alice_ is not sucking cock.
1536909;1473303312;asciilifeform;nono
1536910;1473303315;asciilifeform;that was different article
1536911;1473303317;asciilifeform;in penal code
1536912;1473303320;mircea_popescu;heh
1536913;1473303326;asciilifeform;'нетрудовые доходы'
1536914;1473303336;mircea_popescu;two words ? such waste!
1536915;1473303369;asciilifeform;huffman coding !111111111111
1536916;1473303517;asciilifeform;i must disagree that the alices are idle, however.
1536917;1473303521;asciilifeform;they are busting their nuts for hitler.
1536918;1473303537;asciilifeform;cranking out systemd's, ukukus, etc.
1536919;1473303546;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (i ~wish~ i were making this up... but: the 'rationalists' have this... sacrament? where they sit around in infinitely recursive stupour, contemplating 'future self') << HERETICS ACTING FROM PURPOSE
1536920;1473303575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sorta what the magnetic pole of that direction looks like.
1536921;1473303578;asciilifeform;it ain't pretty.
1536922;1473304164;BingoBoingo;Looks like MAO-ism in the Nepali sense where every political party is a different kind of MAOist party
1536923;1473304339;mircea_popescu;here's something for lulz : https://svn.code.sf.net/p/planeshift/code/www/register/randString.php
1536924;1473304435;mircea_popescu;and in the same vein / from the same source : https://archive.is/uIBox#selection-9.1569-9.1577
1536925;1473305742;BingoBoingo;win
1536926;1473305748;asciilifeform;dafuq
1536927;1473306081;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i read that as 'MAOI party'
1536928;1473306100;BingoBoingo;EIther way fava beans still kill
1536929;1473306329;asciilifeform;!!s tropar
1536930;1473306338;asciilifeform;!~s tropar
1536931;1473306339;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
1536932;1473306344;asciilifeform;hm
1536933;1473306373;asciilifeform;$s tropar
1536934;1473306373;a111;4 results for "tropar", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tropar
1536935;1473306390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's a tropar
1536936;1473306566;trinque;"hymn" in romanian according to cursory googling
1536937;1473307043;asciilifeform;that'd make sense.
1536938;1473307950;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1536939;1473307957;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 613.23, vol: 4473.92758409 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 608.178, vol: 3866.27835 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.99, vol: 5902.85970551 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 612.465038, vol: 233710.90860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 615.5, vol: 1011.87424192 | Volume-weighted last average: 612.579248193
1536940;1473308043;hanbot;i think tropar is solely for hymns about saints or religious occasions. otherwise there's all sortsa hymns (imnuri), iirc there's even one for some mental hospital
1536941;1473308063;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/bd4a525792f2c1f43c06b20ca45b2289/tumblr_od15foblaK1srkdaoo1_1280.jpg
1536942;1473308106;mircea_popescu;!~later tell asciilifeform it's either a short church hymn or (as used here) the "general rule".
1536943;1473308106;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1536944;1473308479;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/i0vqq
1536945;1473308560;mircea_popescu;lol.
1536946;1473308574;mircea_popescu;riiight.
1536947;1473308662;hanbot;"Now I am my current weight" << I bet she calls it Her Weight.
1536948;1473308671;mircea_popescu;fatlogic. so fat woman isn't going to tell him all he wants ot hear ; this is a skinny chick skill only.
1536949;1473308700;mircea_popescu;somehow the fact that the skinny chick does all the talk the fat chick would gladly do in her stead AND ALSO HITS THE GYM is to escape our notice. because... shallow.
1536950;1473308876;hanbot;That is obsured. You need to open up your eyes if you wish.
1536951;1473308877;mircea_popescu;lol this dumb shit seriously exist ? "find a gold digger online dot com" ?
1536952;1473308917;mircea_popescu;https://archive.li/UXRrF/362bbd285be8fbabae6b2a2636e1d70ae78fb732.jpg My husband is my life, my mentor, my best friend, my partner in crime and he means the world to me. I am his priority and he lives to make me happy. Read more>>
1536953;1473308977;mircea_popescu;actually this thing might have the largest female population, simple because seeing pretty brunette with old looking rich dude is like salt in fatty's wounds. and what tru woman can resist salt in her wounds ?
1536954;1473309093;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_zimbabwe
1536955;1473309116;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at "i work hard for my keep" farm, http://66.media.tumblr.com/c1457195eb1d8fe956f913c4ea0dab97/tumblr_nxx05tgmXW1uo74i4o1_1280.jpg
1536956;1473309171;BingoBoingo;!!up ascii_zimbabwe
1536957;1473309172;deedbot;ascii_zimbabwe voiced for 30 minutes.
1536958;1473309177;ascii_zimbabwe;ty BingoBoingo .
1536959;1473309201;ascii_zimbabwe;fiber dead. zoolag and asciilifeform down until tomorrow noon at earliest.
1536960;1473309266;mircea_popescu;heh
1536961;1473309377;BingoBoingo;OMG and I, I live in a rural backwater?!
1536962;1473309412;ascii_zimbabwe;BingoBoingo: what's the record uptime on your node ?
1536963;1473309432;BingoBoingo;~4 weeks
1536964;1473309459;ascii_zimbabwe;lol.
1536965;1473309477;BingoBoingo;And then goes down to back up blockchain and block index
1536966;1473309494;ascii_zimbabwe;why the hell would you back up a node ?
1536967;1473309546;trinque;because trb demons not fully enumerated
1536968;1473309558;BingoBoingo;Because paranoia?
1536969;1473309590;ascii_zimbabwe;'dumpblock' it.
1536970;1473309592;BingoBoingo;ABout block index getting corrupted and resync hell if power blips in wrong way that exceeds otherwise ample batteries
1536971;1473309628;ascii_zimbabwe;(index regens when you 'eatblock')
1536972;1473309712;BingoBoingo;I have yet to bolt that on.
1536973;1473309861;ascii_zimbabwe;anyway i suppose it's probably time to build that mircea_popescutron.
1536974;1473309882;ascii_zimbabwe;(where failed pipe silently falls back on next pipe, and next, and so on.)
1536975;1473309936;ascii_zimbabwe;i dun have this now only because it doesn't play well with trb.
1536976;1473309958;ascii_zimbabwe;and not, as is not hard to guess, because lacking the pipes.
1536977;1473309983;ascii_zimbabwe;pipes - can be had.
1536978;1473309992;ascii_zimbabwe;popescutrons take actual sweat to build.
1536979;1473310019;ascii_zimbabwe;esp. since i dun use konsoomer - or ciscotronic - net hardware.
1536980;1473310140;ascii_zimbabwe;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_and_now_we_have_block_dumper_corrected
1536981;1473310178;ascii_zimbabwe;anyway, laters.
1536982;1473312037;ben_vulpes;buddy of mine builds, sells and operates linux boxes that mux net connections together for durable connections
1536983;1473312059;ben_vulpes;also leases you the line-of-sight for the top of your building, and that connection
1536984;1473312069;ben_vulpes;and can sell you the cell connection
1536985;1473313264;BingoBoingo;Inception http://qntra.net/2016/09/black-man-shot-in-north-saint-louis-county/#comment-69578
1536986;1473323801;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:62/to:62#62 << okay okay i'll disable the "be able to spit out multiple lines" thing on bot until a saner thing is conjured (like being able to send multiple lines to some user via privmsg). if you have to manually edit urls every time that's just crazy
1536987;1473323801;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [00:39:18] <mircea_popescu> now ima have to police my urls o.
1536988;1473323873;Framedragger;ftr there's now a kind of deployment process so i have to make changes in dev branch, make a commit, and then pull from a separate repo which has the dev branch as its upstream. AND I LIKE IT THAT WAY!!1
1536989;1473324014;Framedragger;and btw still curious about http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:504/to:504#504
1536990;1473324014;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [10:05:58] <Framedragger> incidentally, how would one go about doing development across branches in V? or is that fiat fancy to be banished from all that is good? :)
1536991;1473327969;trinque;Framedragger: your branches are merely pointers to different heads in a tree
1536992;1473327979;trinque;V asks you which head you'd like to press
1536993;1473328306;trinque;"automatic merging" meanwhile isn't even a thing. that two hunks in a file didn't collide has no bearing on whether they semantically ought to coexist.
1536994;1473328344;trinque;human's job
1536995;1473330368;Framedragger;i do see your point. and, sure, branches are pointers to heads
1536996;1473331613;Framedragger;okay, no more multi-line quotes, for now. http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:497/to:499#497
1536997;1473331613;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [09:34:23] <Framedragger> to*
1536998;1473331631;Framedragger;also, anchor-based line specification is preferred over "from:" - http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:497/to:499#499
1536999;1473331632;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-07: [09:50:09] <Framedragger> !#hello
1537000;1473338845;shinohai;!~up GoldBoriska
1537001;1473338846;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: I need to be at least halfopped to voice someone.
1537002;1473338852;shinohai;!!Up GoldBoriska
1537003;1473338852;deedbot;GoldBoriska voiced for 30 minutes.
1537004;1473338871;GoldBoriska;!!register 99F6B4D0DC13971D331B0FCFE4F1813EA44CB574
1537005;1473338877;deedbot;Import failed for 99F6B4D0DC13971D331B0FCFE4F1813EA44CB574.
1537006;1473338882;GoldBoriska;!register 99F6B4D0DC13971D331B0FCFE4F1813EA44CB574
1537007;1473338926;shinohai;GoldBoriska: sent you pm
1537008;1473339554;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#323 << do we even have an yumpblock, bro ?
1537009;1473339555;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [04:39:50] <ascii_zimbabwe> 'dumpblock' it.
1537010;1473339607;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: just so you know, no need to manually alter urls yourself anymore. unless you have a fetish for that, of course!
1537011;1473339621;mircea_popescu;and why not ?
1537012;1473339689;Framedragger;why no need?
1537013;1473339689;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:352/to:352#352 and http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:352/to:354#354
1537014;1473339690;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [10:47:11] <Framedragger> also, anchor-based line specification is preferred over "from:" - http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:497/to:499#499
1537015;1473339717;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:352/to:354#354
1537016;1473339718;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [10:47:11] <Framedragger> also, anchor-based line specification is preferred over "from:" - http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:497/to:499#499
1537017;1473339723;Framedragger;fuck
1537018;1473339736;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:352/to:352#352
1537019;1473339737;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [10:46:52] <Framedragger> okay, no more multi-line quotes, for now. http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160907/from:497/to:499#497
1537020;1473339745;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:333/to:333#333 << if you use special order gear the correct move is to put it in the last layer. not like YOUR ROUTER is going down. having the collection of pipes work on heathen hardware is fine ; and until and unless you actually replace all internet infrastructure with s.nsa gear, your sweat used here is sweat wasted.
1537021;1473339746;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [04:46:59] <ascii_zimbabwe> esp. since i dun use konsoomer - or ciscotronic - net hardware.
1537022;1473339759;mircea_popescu;learn to not waste sweat, be amazed at extra hands growing out of you!
1537023;1473339785;mircea_popescu;Framedragger tell you what, if i'm on any page like that and i right click an url it gives me a fucked up thing that dun work rather than a link to the thing i right clicked on. so i'm stuck processing them further.
1537024;1473339795;mircea_popescu;as seen yesterday
1537025;1473339895;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: gotcha. will simply things. unnecessary complexity indeed
1537026;1473340007;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:345/to:345#345 << explain what you mean by "development across branches"
1537027;1473340008;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [08:40:14] <scriba> Logged on 2016-09-07: [10:05:58] <Framedragger> incidentally, how would one go about doing development across branches in V? or is that fiat fancy to be banished from all that is good? :)
1537028;1473340069;shinohai;I thought the purpose of V was to excise git-think from the mind.
1537029;1473340105;mircea_popescu;yes, but ideally without leaving any root. so it's best to fully understand what he wants to do first.
1537030;1473340143;mircea_popescu;"don't go to frat party barefoot, here's a car" is a shitload better than "don't go to frat party barefoot, here's the bus to church"
1537031;1473340227;mircea_popescu;(and ftr : the "faster" angle is a minor concern here. human on foot ought to do ~10-12kph ; there's no guarantee car manages to do half that. meanwhile, the "not cutting your soles to shreds" IS a major concern.)
1537032;1473340392;mircea_popescu;and in other news, https://67.media.tumblr.com/3131badbb9a970a347ecb5425b4f9494/tumblr_mra65tJ8oI1qgv7t5o1_1280.jpg
1537033;1473340465;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: there is an implied assumption here of a "large enough" codebase (deliberately vague quantifier here). why i'm using it for scriba: 'cause i like it; and the latter's not a great argument. *but* if you have a large enough project with multiple people working on it, then:
1537034;1473340498;mircea_popescu;"i like it" is a great argument.
1537035;1473340503;Framedragger;1) you may want to retain several versions of the thing you're developing - production, testing environment, development, some-large-feature-im-working-on-thats-currently-breaking-everything
1537036;1473340508;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: well... yeah, maybe :)
1537037;1473340547;mircea_popescu;you make special sigs for these cases.
1537038;1473340557;Framedragger;2) while automatic merges mask deeper problems (as trinque may have implied) and may or may not be cancer, having many developers be able to work on the same codebase and later easily solve code conflicts is fucking *great*
1537039;1473340571;mircea_popescu;yeah. here's the thing :
1537040;1473340571;Framedragger;right. perhaps it's a matter of writing scripts to automate this stuff for V.
1537041;1473340577;mircea_popescu;no, no. listen :
1537042;1473340604;mircea_popescu;V is a publishing mechanism. it allows people to interact that don't know each other. it is very much like bitcoin : to achieve this glorious ends it has some costs.
1537043;1473340630;mircea_popescu;you and your coworker will likely not need, or want to eat the overhead, of keeping track of who owes who coffee via blockchain. also we don'tgive a shit, sort it out yourselves.
1537044;1473340646;Framedragger;(i understand it's not supposed to make any wanna-be-git development easy)
1537045;1473340656;Framedragger;right.
1537046;1473340657;Framedragger;aha
1537047;1473340663;mircea_popescu;so collaboration, inasmuch as it's a private act (your tulpas, your friends, w/e) needn't be on v ; just like it needn't be on github, or on git. lots of code development happens on the holy napkin.
1537048;1473340708;Framedragger;shit, i just got what you're trying to say - i'm slow. it's only a publishing mechanism. how to collaborate internally is another matter. yes, nice separation of concerns. (though i suspect people have thought how to do proper collaboration in V as well - emails with vdiffs etc)
1537049;1473340709;mircea_popescu;all this said : if you are using v, then the correct way to use v for this purpose is, to make multi signatures. there's "his lordship framedragger, of the most serene republic". there can also be "this'll fuck you up".
1537050;1473340724;mircea_popescu;if people want to have a working product, or evaluate your person, they will put the first in their sig files.
1537051;1473340745;mircea_popescu;but if they want to work with you on X, there's nothing to keep them from putting the 2nd in a - presumably - different environment.
1537052;1473340753;mircea_popescu;the advantages of V remain, such as automatic conflict resolution.
1537053;1473340762;mircea_popescu;because it's impossible to write conflicts into V.
1537054;1473340805;Framedragger;right. i *think* i get it. i mean, fair enough. and i should try to publish with it huh.
1537055;1473340825;Framedragger;(multiple sigs, okok.)
1537056;1473340828;mircea_popescu;(incidentally - "conflicts", as a git/github concept are both a) a direct equivalent of doublespends and b) a very convenient and for this reason perhaps deliberate rock under which to hide from responsibility
1537057;1473340864;mircea_popescu;because wener kock's incredibly cheeky "i fucked it all up ha-ha!" is not coming out of the martian spaceship. it's coming out of - hey, we already "solve" conflicts hurr.)
1537058;1473340945;mircea_popescu;Framedragger is there a remainder ?
1537059;1473341113;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: you mean in the sense of a logical "third"? i'm not sure. i guess i get it conceptually, re. conflicts; but on a more mundane practical level, conflicts happen because, say, two people implemented some particular thing a bit differently; or their feature touched upon code from another place which was also being worked at; whatever
1537060;1473341130;mircea_popescu;no, in the sense "that's all nice and good, but here's what i still want to do and it's not covered"
1537061;1473341138;Framedragger;i don't see why this necessarily yields some kind of conceptual moral failure or whatever
1537062;1473341147;Framedragger;right
1537063;1473341156;mircea_popescu;ah, that sort of conflict is to be resolved talmudically : they both review the code, jointly issue a version./
1537064;1473341165;Framedragger;mhm.
1537065;1473341166;mircea_popescu;it takes a bit more time, but it guarantees a result MUCH better than current.
1537066;1473341175;mircea_popescu;the way i see it is, kids today are like, overexcited.
1537067;1473341183;mircea_popescu;they put in 80% of the effort, scoop out 20% of the ore.
1537068;1473341192;mircea_popescu;dude. add a 10%, get THREE TIMES YOUR CURRENT RESULTS
1537069;1473341246;mircea_popescu;i am willing to bet you that in any case as we imagine ehre, where two competent coders rushed like teenage athletes to stripper cunt and each implemented slighly variant solutions to the same problem,
1537070;1473341265;mircea_popescu;if they put in the extra half hour to write a joint statement of their individual solutions they'd produce code that'd shame gabriel.
1537071;1473341270;mircea_popescu;i don't mean laddel, i mean the other one.
1537072;1473341296;Framedragger;you may be just right; fwiw i have the same inkling feeling, hm
1537073;1473341316;Framedragger;"overengineering minutia and spending cognitive resources on bullshit" - maybe
1537074;1473341330;*;mircea_popescu is slowly turning into an ancient dragon of the "i hate your kind ; i just don't hate you personally. yet." persuasion.
1537075;1473341381;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if it's minutia why are you writing it ?
1537076;1473341393;mircea_popescu;the only definition of minutia acceptable here is "it's in the stdlib dude"
1537077;1473341464;Framedragger;well fwiw i'm not overusing it. i don't subscribe to the "resolve cosmetic conflicts by doing more redundant work" thing, either;and i don't do it
1537078;1473341487;Framedragger;i understand that i'd be more internally..consistent if i just ditched the *whole* thing, however.
1537079;1473341487;mircea_popescu;overusing who ? and what's a cosmetic conflict ?
1537080;1473341538;thestringpuller;;;seen shinohai
1537081;1473341547;thestringpuller;is gribble not voiced?
1537082;1473341552;shinohai;!~seen shinohai
1537083;1473341552;jhvh1;shinohai: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 24 minutes and 43 seconds ago: <shinohai> I thought the purpose of V was to excise git-think from the mind.
1537084;1473341560;Framedragger;cosmetic conflict = differently arranged lines or multiple implementations of some simplistic algorithm; overusing the whole "develop in multiple branches and merge things and stuff" thing. sorry - multitasking; trying to eradicate this habit fwiw.
1537085;1473341575;mircea_popescu;i multitask too, what. nothign wrong with it.
1537086;1473341583;thestringpuller;What happened to not banning gribble! Don't disenfranchise the nice bot!
1537087;1473341591;mircea_popescu;i didn't ban it ?
1537088;1473341598;thestringpuller;i'm jk'ing
1537089;1473341604;thestringpuller;y so srs
1537090;1473341624;shinohai;Nothing, mircea_popescu decided to light fire under shinohai 's ass with bickening article I suppose
1537091;1473341642;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i'm not the end all be all in project management for computer software. however, it seems to me "differently arranged lines" is a fucking weird problem to have. really, you can arbitrarily sort programs ? in what language, html ?
1537092;1473341679;mircea_popescu;in general people working on the same (large enough as you said) codebase should have the courtesy to use the same spacing and coding conventions etc.
1537093;1473341721;mircea_popescu;it is prolly best practice to have all serious V projects include a "conventions" file where to list all this. "1. tabs not spaces, bitch!" etc.
1537094;1473341738;mircea_popescu;sort-of like css for the editor if you will.
1537095;1473341757;mircea_popescu;actually fuck, v projects should prolly come with emacs .el file
1537096;1473341844;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: no disagreement there; just pointing out that sometimes small arrangement disagreements still prop up; say, different order of variable initialization (which otherwise bears no actual significance); etc. of course one *could* have a convention spec so precise taht it would include things like "if there is arbitrary order of initialization of $x then default to alphanumerical order".
1537097;1473341878;mircea_popescu;for instance. it is, after all, coding. order is not contrary to results.
1537098;1473341891;mircea_popescu;the problems start when phf will get more people to do knuth style literature
1537099;1473341903;mircea_popescu;but hey, reading each other's novellas is the whole fucking point anywya.
1537100;1473342054;mircea_popescu;incidentally Framedragger the problem of "we'll just initialize in a soup" is a lot deeper than previously thought. in a merciless language like C, the fact that we're the first to come up with the "fucking initialize in alphabetical roder!" is indicative of the brain rot.
1537101;1473342076;mircea_popescu;how do i check if kth of n elements was or was not initialized ? read a list n-1 long ?
1537102;1473342088;mircea_popescu;this is kindergarten-level stupid.
1537103;1473342101;mircea_popescu;half the shit you do with c is check whether something was initialized properly. HALF!
1537104;1473342145;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1537105;1473342152;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, trinque, et al:
1537106;1473342154;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jxdrx/?raw=true
1537107;1473342161;mircea_popescu;("oh but mp, compiler should check!" "yeah, and your mom should have checked.")
1537108;1473342195;Framedragger;look at that one person knows to actually include human readable timestamp into the inside of a pgp signed message which deals with timing-sensitive info!!!
1537109;1473342256;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: that's a good point!
1537110;1473342280;mircea_popescu;lol they changed your pooled ip ? sad!
1537111;1473342288;Framedragger;nasa's coding manual (which doesn't allow recursive code - because the rovers are, you know, sorta far away, and you write in a turing complete language) may have it - i wonder
1537112;1473342311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it happens every year or so
1537113;1473342400;asciilifeform;theoretically i could pay to have it not happen, but for the same cost could get 2-3 more subscriptions to various isp...
1537114;1473342425;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, /me has profile on bdsm site. a good third of the others checking it out are self-styled dominant dudes.
1537115;1473342461;Framedragger;hahahahah
1537116;1473342477;Framedragger;they become submissive by entering mp aura zone
1537117;1473342484;Framedragger;that, i can imagine
1537118;1473342495;mircea_popescu;but to be perfectly fair - it's pretty much the mental default of bois, so. the 1 in 10ish or so dominant chick is probably a larger percentage of the respective population.
1537119;1473342590;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537008 << oh ferfuxxsake, has mircea_popescu been drinking today or wat
1537120;1473342590;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 12:59 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#323 << do we even have an yumpblock, bro ?
1537121;1473342590;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [04:39:50] <ascii_zimbabwe> 'dumpblock' it.
1537122;1473342594;asciilifeform;$s dumpblock
1537123;1473342594;a111;54 results for "dumpblock", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dumpblock
1537124;1473342594;mircea_popescu;btw Framedragger, you realise that once i link you, the bots will notice, and you'll eventually get the phf treatment, a month or w/e later ?
1537125;1473342606;mircea_popescu;trilema serves bout 10-20mn pages / month to bots.
1537126;1473342611;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: preparin' for it.
1537127;1473342657;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform jus' sayin', it's a little more elbow grease to dump and eat the whole blockchain than to just make a copy
1537128;1473342669;asciilifeform;not really, no
1537129;1473342676;asciilifeform;i posted a bash 3liner a while ago
1537130;1473342684;mircea_popescu;how long does it take ?
1537131;1473342686;Framedragger;i heard there was, like, a way to, like, store results from a dynamic system, to be served in a static manner
1537132;1473342686;Framedragger;but in all seriousness, i'm a bit afraid, but it may be good education for me. not that i see this as a game to be fucked up at the first step
1537133;1473342691;asciilifeform;and we had this entire test where my node ate a total dumpblock of mircea_popescu's
1537134;1473342692;asciilifeform;recall?
1537135;1473342705;mircea_popescu;i do recall.
1537136;1473342721;mircea_popescu;mebbe you're right, this should be advertised moar.
1537137;1473342724;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-30#1181921
1537138;1473342724;a111;Logged on 2015-06-30 19:12 ascii_field: in other nyooz, 'dumpblock' for the sums.txt.gz mircea_popescu set 0..n and subsequent 'eatblock' in brand-new stator - works
1537139;1473342747;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/turdsums/sums.txt.gz
1537140;1473342750;mircea_popescu;i have a flag about it but it doesn't link to anything apparently so i dunno what i was thinking.
1537141;1473342837;asciilifeform;see also 'blkcut'.
1537142;1473342840;asciilifeform;$s blkcut
1537143;1473342841;a111;22 results for "blkcut", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=blkcut
1537144;1473342868;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000105.html << 'eatblock'
1537145;1473342877;asciilifeform;'One could even sync via 'netcat' from a trusted phriend...'
1537146;1473342903;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000104.html << dumpblock with illustration.
1537147;1473342906;mircea_popescu;you're going to corrupt all my words people into code people, and then we'll have what, eliza write qntra ?
1537148;1473342914;mircea_popescu;you're a bad seed alfie.
1537149;1473342915;asciilifeform;phf's btcbase.org/patches has the canonical.
1537150;1473342941;asciilifeform;'specialization is for insects' (tm) (r) (heinlein)
1537151;1473342969;mircea_popescu;this dictatorship has gone to shit.
1537152;1473342973;Framedragger;oh yeah that's a decent quote. quotebot?
1537153;1473342991;mircea_popescu;well, bash/quotebot rather than imdb quote db i think.
1537154;1473343082;mircea_popescu;so ever since i wrote that thing about argentine retards wearing hoodies, i have this ongoing debate with... some people. it mostly consists of stuff like, http://66.media.tumblr.com/47e87402c079d8364a48c9322417f012/tumblr_nh1hzo81x31tq5tbno1_1280.jpg
1537155;1473343167;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html <<<<< theeeere we go.
1537156;1473343170;asciilifeform;finally found it.
1537157;1473343340;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537040 << you don't need automatics. separate v trees are simply kept in separate dirs, etc.
1537158;1473343340;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 13:16 Framedragger: right. perhaps it's a matter of writing scripts to automate this stuff for V.
1537159;1473343354;asciilifeform;the thing is deliberately designed 'ms-dos'-style
1537160;1473343388;asciilifeform;all changes in state are explicit (you vdiff ... > file.vdiff), etc.
1537161;1473343409;Framedragger;yeah that i really like. reminds of that bitcoin wallet spec - no non-ascii parts
1537162;1473343443;mircea_popescu;incidentally, asciilifeform : we'll end up with a v-stdlib won't we ? prolly starting with v-cryptolib as a nucleus.
1537163;1473343471;*;mircea_popescu really has little use for the shit currently shipping with c as a stdlib.
1537164;1473343475;Framedragger;dude, a first-on-the-planet decent cryptolib would be nice
1537165;1473343491;mircea_popescu;Framedragger he's working on it, if you didn't guess from all the "scriptable cryptosystem" talk.
1537166;1473343498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at the moment musl is my stdlib.
1537167;1473343505;mircea_popescu;works.
1537168;1473343507;asciilifeform;it is by far the fastest horse in this glue factory.
1537169;1473343509;Framedragger;(there's djb's NaCl, but it's EC)
1537170;1473343527;Framedragger;FUNDRAISER FOR ALF
1537171;1473343531;asciilifeform;lelraiser
1537172;1473343532;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the very notion of a cryptolib being cryptoimplementation shows stupid at the seams.
1537173;1473343559;mircea_popescu;here's a stray thought : if i can't implement EC in a page on your cryptolib IT IS NOT A LIB!
1537174;1473343572;mircea_popescu;it may be a SHIB, but that's all.
1537175;1473343576;Framedragger;fwiw iirc that lib exposes abstracted parts; but, yeah, no easy way to change those internal parts
1537176;1473343621;mircea_popescu;"this is the tyre store" "do you have tyres ?" "yes, here's an apple audio jack" "this is not a tyre" "allegedly."
1537177;1473343637;mircea_popescu;"how about you know, an actual car tyre ?" "sorry bro. use the headphones or build your own store."
1537178;1473343647;asciilifeform;the old cryptolib, by this token, was gmp. as seen here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533
1537179;1473343675;Framedragger;also, while it's not exactly contradictory it's still funny what status bitcoin holds in tmsr's infrastructure, while being based on EC
1537180;1473343704;mircea_popescu;tell you what, if we're ever shipwrecked on a deserted island with hillary, we'll fuck hillary.
1537181;1473343709;Framedragger;but, yeah, shit code all over the place
1537182;1473343735;Framedragger;that does sound like a plan. total failover scenario #1 recorded, then
1537183;1473343849;Framedragger;asciilifeform: "Everything pertaining to Automake was nuked" - so nice. i used to doubt (or maybe i still do - in itself a healthy habit, perhaps) whether i didn't *get* something fundamental in modern s/w development. (maybe i still don't, of course). "shitloads of build targets and convoluted build chain? maybe there's no way more elegant? i must be a truly stupid person."
1537184;1473343877;Framedragger;psychologically harmful culture, this
1537185;1473343882;mircea_popescu;no, it's just the sad effect of runaway tolerance.
1537186;1473343893;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i went to war against the 'culture' long ago.
1537187;1473343921;mircea_popescu;take the alice character from earlier. the inclination of ~anyone, other than me/us/whatever would be to say "well, let her be, maybe who knows one day does something useful". except it does nothing useful, it only clutters things.
1537188;1473343998;shinohai;!!up GoldBoriska
1537189;1473343998;Framedragger;i think my tolerance levels are (finally) decreasing in some kind of accelerated fashion, hopefully in line with growing experience, but there's still ways to go. but yeah, war it is
1537190;1473343998;deedbot;GoldBoriska voiced for 30 minutes.
1537191;1473344001;mircea_popescu;there's no difference between random dude with bizarro identity issues and random lib with bizarro code footprint
1537192;1473344052;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the linked item is illustrative of how to flamethrower away automake.
1537193;1473344053;mircea_popescu;they're both things, devoid of "rights", or importance or anything of that nature. and they're both worse than useless, which is to say eat more than produce.
1537194;1473344150;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537093 << we had a mega-thread.
1537195;1473344150;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 13:35 mircea_popescu: it is prolly best practice to have all serious V projects include a "conventions" file where to list all this. "1. tabs not spaces, bitch!" etc.
1537196;1473344163;asciilifeform;atm we're stuck with the extremely braindamaged style of the original author.
1537197;1473344180;asciilifeform;because ain't nobody gonna read the WHOLE THING just to audit a stylemorphed copy.
1537198;1473344183;mircea_popescu;you mean re bitcoin ?
1537199;1473344185;asciilifeform;aha.
1537200;1473344187;asciilifeform;strictly it.
1537201;1473344189;mircea_popescu;we were discussing new programs
1537202;1473344204;asciilifeform;new - then yes.
1537203;1473344320;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537103 << see also >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html
1537204;1473344320;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 13:41 mircea_popescu: half the shit you do with c is check whether something was initialized properly. HALF!
1537205;1473344391;asciilifeform;'the problem is that neither Unix nor Windows _actually_ support either C or C++, but they manage to make them work, with downright incredible effort.  if you look inside the libraries and see how a system call actually works and how much it differs from the C calling convention and usage, you'd be a fool not to revise your opinion.  and _does_ an operating system that forces the programmer to check to see whether the operating syste
1537206;1473344391;asciilifeform;m did what it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'
1537207;1473344423;mircea_popescu;then again, trust-but-verify is the correct approach anyway.
1537208;1473344437;mircea_popescu;outside of actula hard guarantees (v does not allow writing conflicts), that's all you have.
1537209;1473345577;mircea_popescu;oh and in other news : meat is delicious! http://67.media.tumblr.com/0f852db83aa06e198914fe61336de00c/tumblr_obra4aaks81so15avo1_1280.jpg
1537210;1473346929;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/J2ROj << lel
1537211;1473347110;phf;probably sci-hub defense
1537212;1473347222;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> tell you what, if we're ever shipwrecked on a deserted island with hillary, we'll fuck hillary. << think she coughs now? wait until she chokes on all that dick!
1537213;1473347446;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/pibt2 << in other noose. (stein is a crackpot pres candidate in usa)
1537214;1473347554;asciilifeform;elsewhere, https://archive.is/oypYD << dude does 16y in american prison, let out, wants (yes) back in, they won't take him, so he shoots a few cops
1537215;1473347902;asciilifeform;more interestingly, https://archive.is/78NoN : 'Jund al Aqsa, an al Qaeda front group in Syria, has released a video showing one of its small drones dropping a bomb on Syrian regime forces in Hama province. The unguided bomb doesn’t appear to have been especially effective, but the video is noteworthy because it documents the Sunni jihadis’ further experimentation with explosives....'
1537216;1473347961;asciilifeform;^ next-to-last photo esp. lulzy
1537217;1473347968;asciilifeform;(why is the thing horizontal??)
1537218;1473347994;asciilifeform;'This video has been removed for violating YouTube's Terms of Service.' << also lul.
1537219;1473348295;Framedragger;hey-ho, how about some frivolous over-engineering: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt
1537220;1473348350;Framedragger;caching implied but not explicit
1537221;1473348365;asciilifeform;i like mircea_popescu's idea - of wholly-uncoupled redundant logtrons - moar.
1537222;1473348380;asciilifeform;there is no reason for all of these things to be plugged into one another.
1537223;1473348397;Framedragger;there could be multiple monstrosities like this, tho!
1537224;1473348424;asciilifeform;what i meant was that i see 0 reason why any 1 of the multiple items ought to be of this form.
1537225;1473348434;asciilifeform;but if Framedragger wants to make one - hey, why not.
1537226;1473348449;Framedragger;itch for over-machineering is a dangerous one
1537227;1473348454;Framedragger;i prolly agree asciilifeform
1537228;1473348482;asciilifeform;complicated mechanisms breed cockroaches.
1537229;1473348525;mircea_popescu;aand in other lelz, "I can't imagine any foreigner writing down 3 lines of non error text for my life of it. Greeks are not easy to be mastered and he is using them without a mistake. what is considered to be an exception even in between Greeks."
1537230;1473348533;mircea_popescu;learning. it's an impossible. so say the greeks.
1537231;1473348541;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537207 << mircea_popescu when the girls bring you a cup of tea, how would you like to ALWAYS have to sniff first to make sure that it is tea and not liquishit or piss ?
1537232;1473348541;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 14:20 mircea_popescu: then again, trust-but-verify is the correct approach anyway.
1537233;1473348553;mircea_popescu;TRUST-and-verify.
1537234;1473348564;asciilifeform;well there is no room to 'trust' in c.
1537235;1473348565;mircea_popescu;and yes, i spot check the work of even the most senior girl.
1537236;1473348569;asciilifeform;SPOT check.
1537237;1473348583;asciilifeform;but, e.g., fopen(...) can ALWAYS return martian rubbish.
1537238;1473348600;mircea_popescu;trust-but-verify doesn't specifically mean "always check".
1537239;1473348612;asciilifeform;and so even a simple c proggy by a competent pair of hands is a MASSIVE ball of check-and-fail-as-such-or-such-or-such...
1537240;1473348624;mircea_popescu;but yes, part of hte problem with extant c, as a language but more importantly as a paradigm and society, is that there's no way to build trust.
1537241;1473348672;mircea_popescu;ie, young brazillian chick WILL have to have her cooking checked for shit, because apparently wash hands is not universally comprehended in brazil.
1537242;1473348709;asciilifeform;i'd simply colour brazil brown on the big map in the map room and move on...
1537243;1473348776;mircea_popescu;why ? great gals.
1537244;1473348788;asciilifeform;great but shit on hands eh.
1537245;1473348799;mircea_popescu;it's a skill, she can learn that like anything else.
1537246;1473348816;mircea_popescu;you would be surprised how many girls have to be taught how to wash.
1537247;1473348829;mircea_popescu;and no, northern hemisphere is not exceptional. us especially not exceptional.
1537248;1473348836;asciilifeform;actually i'm not surprised, i saw with own eyes.
1537249;1473348840;mircea_popescu;apparently people somehow assume younguns just know this, somehow, through osmosis.
1537250;1473348867;mircea_popescu;needless to say, the only thing that occurs through osmosis is an unwarranted conviction that she knows how to do it, and a block towards examination.
1537251;1473348909;asciilifeform;c (but more importantly, the c ~machine~, with its single hardware stack) encourages, and just about mandates the 'crashing is acceptable because there is NO practical way to handle ALL error conditions sanely' idiocy.
1537252;1473349005;asciilifeform;stroustrup ~perceived~ the problem, but did not, in his cpp, solve it - cpp has 'exceptions' but lacks, e.g., common lisp's 'unwind-protect' ( http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?UnwindProtect ) and so error conditions still result in rubbish
1537253;1473349022;asciilifeform;(because there is no way to guarantee cleanup)
1537254;1473349096;asciilifeform;nor does c-machine enable restarts (how many programming folk even ~CONCEIVE~ of the notion of meaningfully RESUMING a crashed proggy ?)
1537255;1473349149;mircea_popescu;young mps idea of what a compiler does was, "well it basically completely unwinds the code, so it's all flat, and then checks everything". then young mp saw the first "runtime error" and locked. then told teacher this isn't real programming and he's not interested.
1537256;1473349158;mircea_popescu;the position has, broadly speaking, endured.
1537257;1473349179;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: haha just found https://www.reddit.com/r/NSFWforhire - may pique one's fancy
1537258;1473349196;asciilifeform;young mircea_popescu , like many young folk, like, e.g., young-asciilifeform , and young-asciipet, all had this correct idea.
1537259;1473349209;asciilifeform;because it is a pretty obvious and sane thing.
1537260;1473349210;Framedragger;(ah, no, i take it back: mostly boring.)
1537261;1473349228;mircea_popescu;moreover, if it DOESN'T do that, then wtf does it do.
1537262;1473349246;mircea_popescu;this is like you know, "this coffee grinder - doesn't grind coffee". this is pretty serious - what the fuck does it do then ?
1537263;1473349261;mircea_popescu;"well... here's a list." "fuck you."
1537264;1473349273;asciilifeform;eh it grinds coffee. but also grinds fingernails, cockroaches, fingers.
1537265;1473349300;asciilifeform;whatever ends up in.
1537266;1473349304;mircea_popescu;and it's my job to find the grinds in the kitchen once it's done.
1537267;1473349323;asciilifeform;also sometimes tries to grind rusty nails and burns motor
1537268;1473349324;mircea_popescu;check it out, twenny bux bought me an egg hunt machine.
1537269;1473349641;asciilifeform;a c-grinder will also, should its lid come off, happily continue to fly (yes) around the kitchen, grinding whatever ends up in its path, drywall, chairs, people, van goghs, stradivaris, crates of ammunition, dogs, dildos.
1537270;1473349724;phf;above is ascii's (rather respectable) list of important items and valuables
1537271;1473349732;mircea_popescu;"but mp, if you don't want ground ammo just don't keep crates of ammo in your kitchen" "o ya ? how about i don't keep a grinder."
1537272;1473349737;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1537273;1473349785;mircea_popescu;DCPvGSCoADD. << the list.
1537274;1473349801;mircea_popescu;dcp versus gsc or add.
1537275;1473350001;asciilifeform;' fauns, beings of double sex, brutes with six-fingered hands, sirens, hippocentaurs, gorgons, harpies, incubi, dragopods, minotaurs, lynxes, pards, chimeras, cynophales who darted fire from their nostrils, crocodiles, polycaudate, hairy serpents, salamanders, horned vipers, tortoises, snakes, two-headed creatures whose backs were armed with teeth, hyenas, otters, crows, hydrophora with saw-tooth horns, frogs, gryphons, monkeys, dog-
1537276;1473350001;asciilifeform;heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose'
1537277;1473350021;asciilifeform;( http://english4success.ru/upload/books/1592.pdf << 31111117 w4r3z btw )
1537278;1473350067;mircea_popescu;for the curious, leucrota is what happens when a hyena fucks a lioness.
1537279;1473350080;mircea_popescu;this is no small matter, as lions will kill hyenas unprovoked.
1537280;1473350112;asciilifeform;well they do occupy overlapping meat niche
1537281;1473350126;asciilifeform;so, in 'western' parlance, 'there ain't room enough in this here town for the two of'em'
1537282;1473350127;mircea_popescu;(the animal doesn't actually exists outside of plinius, but still.)
1537283;1473350142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not only that, but hyena is the more efficient.
1537284;1473350203;asciilifeform;see also mega-classic ambroise pare's 'monstres et prodiges'
1537285;1473350216;asciilifeform;there is an english for folks who need.
1537286;1473350221;mircea_popescu;anyway. hyenas are not cats, like lions are, but dogs. even if they've adapted into as much catness as possible. so the two aren't actually sexually compatible.
1537287;1473350232;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1537288;1473350247;asciilifeform;scorpion doesn't fuck lion on actual planet3 either.
1537289;1473350259;asciilifeform;but in medieval lysergic dreams...
1537290;1473350268;mircea_popescu;nah, the manticore is not the result of fux.
1537291;1473350295;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i'd be unsurprised if there's a market in africa for lion prostitution.
1537292;1473350310;*;mircea_popescu can readily see how the "african warrior" idi amin mentality would pay to fuck a lioness.
1537293;1473350442;asciilifeform;iirc they prefer to eat'em
1537294;1473350588;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy, motherfucking 16TH CENTURY b00k, is NOWHERE on the net.
1537295;1473350598;asciilifeform;NOWHERE.
1537296;1473350607;mircea_popescu;the net has more important things to attend to.
1537297;1473350610;phf;we had this thread
1537298;1473350615;asciilifeform;derpy schoolboys' 'papers' on it - yes.
1537299;1473350617;asciilifeform;1,001.
1537300;1473350620;mircea_popescu;aha.
1537301;1473350621;asciilifeform;the b00k - nope.
1537302;1473350631;mircea_popescu;wouldn't the book be unfair competition ?
1537303;1473350635;asciilifeform;apparently.
1537304;1473350637;mircea_popescu;hyena knows, alfie.
1537305;1473350646;asciilifeform;Memetically Uncomfortable!1111 (tm) (r) (alice_)
1537306;1473350648;mircea_popescu;how did that go, "by the claw we know this lion"
1537307;1473350739;asciilifeform;at some point i'ma scan the thing.
1537308;1473350775;mircea_popescu;incidentally : man and lion have rather comparable penii in size. except the cat, like most cats, has keratin penile spikes.
1537309;1473350784;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, this condition also exists in humans, albeit rare.
1537310;1473350788;asciilifeform;aha, 'locking thread'
1537311;1473350975;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:656/to:656#656 << out of curiosity, what book would that be? (not the fictional one within eco's name of the rose i assume??)
1537312;1473350976;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [16:03:08] <asciilifeform> pretty lulzy, motherfucking 16TH CENTURY b00k, is NOWHERE on the net.
1537313;1473350988;asciilifeform;nono, that one was linked earlier.
1537314;1473350992;asciilifeform;pare's.
1537315;1473351017;asciilifeform;the one with sea monsters, two-headed children, etc.
1537316;1473351021;asciilifeform;leucrota.
1537317;1473351032;Framedragger;oooh, interesting, ok
1537318;1473351052;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537284 <<
1537319;1473351052;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 15:56 asciilifeform: see also mega-classic ambroise pare's 'monstres et prodiges'
1537320;1473351137;Framedragger;ah damn i must have heard of him in a lithuanian context but i probably know nothing of him, even though evidently i should. /shame
1537321;1473351150;Framedragger;pretty epic dude
1537322;1473351153;asciilifeform;among first people to seriously study birth defects.
1537323;1473351176;asciilifeform;i have the tome here.
1537324;1473351305;*;mircea_popescu pictures someone who actually feels shame over not having read the references here. imagine! you got "i used to fuck lions in kindergarten" alf ; native russian poet afficionado and whatever else phf is, then there's the cinematic tradition, and the...
1537325;1473351306;mircea_popescu;o woe.
1537326;1473351353;asciilifeform;iirc asciilifeform was the one with the ru poets, phf - with french poets and lions, mircea_popescu - with cinematic. etc
1537327;1473351361;asciilifeform;but yes.
1537328;1473351671;mircea_popescu;what poets!
1537329;1473351757;Framedragger;eh, the chan is educational and therefore useful on that merit alone, and that's nice
1537330;1473352123;mircea_popescu;"Whilst the misguided follower climbs with pain mountains of whimseys, heaped in his own brain, stumbling from thought to thought, falls headlong down into doubt's boundless sea where, like to drown, books bear him up awhile, and make him try to swim with bladders of philosophy."
1537331;1473352467;asciilifeform;http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/256205-thumb/AirPods-header.jpg << is it just me or do these look like... smokes ?
1537332;1473352506;asciilifeform;( this in re yesterday's http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536473 )
1537333;1473352506;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 19:27 asciilifeform: 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
1537334;1473353149;asciilifeform;in other olds, 'However, after two days of eating MealSquares, I was desperate for anything else. I wolfed down my tupperware of weird gruel almost immediately upon getting to the office on Wednesday morning. It was the opposite of the problem I'd had with the MealSquares, which took me so long to get down that I wasn't physically able to consume enough calories in one day to properly function.'
1537335;1473353157;asciilifeform;'By this time the smell of any other food gave me hunger pangs; I walked past a pizza place and nearly cried.'
1537336;1473353192;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/IhleF )
1537337;1473353199;asciilifeform;!!up malcomxxx
1537338;1473353199;deedbot;malcomxxx voiced for 30 minutes.
1537339;1473353232;malcomxxx;How i can made btc ? can some one help me out ?
1537340;1473353255;diana_coman;malcomxxx, see #eulora
1537341;1473353445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/Uow3O << mega-lol: 'These air pod headphone things aren't visible enough to signal to men that I don't want them to talk to me'
1537342;1473353463;asciilifeform;and also: 'The beauty of the headphone cable is just like the beauty of a tampon string: it is there to help you keep track of a very important item, and help you fish it out of whatever nook and cranny it might have fallen into.'
1537343;1473353469;mircea_popescu;which is most of the reason chicks even get headphones.
1537344;1473353861;*;asciilifeform pictures the peter thiel call: t. cook's phone rings. thiel: 'ipnoje is not surveillatronic enough. hitler is displeased. the lien on your left ball will be called in.'  cook: 'what do we do'  thiel: 'well, you could make'em wear earphones with cameras'  cook: 'brilliant, 360 degree coverage'  thiel: 'it'd better be out by september'
1537345;1473353937;asciilifeform;incidentally i have nfi whether that dot is camera or just ir probe.
1537346;1473353942;asciilifeform;haven't yet sawed open a set of these.
1537347;1473353951;asciilifeform;anyone who has - please post here.
1537348;1473354102;asciilifeform;and, ahahahahaha,
1537349;1473354105;asciilifeform;at the 'pgp conference',
1537350;1473354107;asciilifeform;'16:45 – 17:00	Short talk: Analyzing Keyserver Data	Hanno Böck'
1537351;1473354109;asciilifeform;this friday.
1537352;1473354192;mircea_popescu;curious if he ends up heckled.
1537353;1473354204;asciilifeform;doubt it.
1537354;1473354215;asciilifeform;afaik room full of hand-picked heathens there.
1537355;1473354225;asciilifeform;https://gnupg.org/conf/program.html .
1537356;1473354232;mircea_popescu;!!key nooblet
1537357;1473354232;deedbot;No such key.
1537358;1473354284;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu knows anyone in or near cologne, could try to crash party.
1537359;1473354345;mircea_popescu;you seem to be ~the only one who cares about that particular fanclub though.
1537360;1473354360;asciilifeform;'Plagiarize !! Let no one else's work evade your eyes ! Remember why the good Lord made your eyes ! So don't shade your eyes !' (tm) (r) (tom lehrer)
1537361;1473354517;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i do not regard the now-explicit cooperation of koch with boeck as uninteresting.
1537362;1473354552;mircea_popescu;sure, butthat's somewhat of a different kettle of fish.
1537363;1473354555;asciilifeform;previously the weevils were largely careful to avoid being seen in one room.
1537364;1473354557;asciilifeform;now - not so much.
1537365;1473354562;mircea_popescu;of course they gotta join forces. they stand no chance.
1537366;1473354642;asciilifeform;a while ago i briefly considered showing up at the 'pgp conference' but decided against. there is a difference between entomologist and those fellas who fuck wasp hives
1537367;1473354821;mircea_popescu;you know this exists btw ?
1537368;1473354825;asciilifeform;naturally
1537369;1473354825;mircea_popescu;cricket fuckers also.
1537370;1473354829;asciilifeform;it was posted here >1ce
1537371;1473354833;mircea_popescu;apparently the bestioles deliver quite the byte
1537372;1473354836;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1537373;1473354837;asciilifeform;(though for some reason i can't seem to turn up the log)
1537374;1473354859;asciilifeform;ru prison has miniature version also, upturned glass with single wasp/fly/whatever stings
1537375;1473354878;PeterL;speaking of books, mircea_popescu have you read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? I have been reading it and for some reason it made me think of you (though I expect you would read it in the original Italian?)
1537376;1473354878;asciilifeform;(well, mug, there is no glass in the prison normally)
1537377;1473354926;asciilifeform;and does anyone else find it lulzy that boeck's talk is 15m long ?
1537378;1473354929;mircea_popescu;yeah i read it back in school at some point
1537379;1473354943;asciilifeform;even in american school 'the prince' is read. or, was.
1537380;1473354952;trinque;is.
1537381;1473354961;trinque;shit I'm old; was.
1537382;1473354962;mircea_popescu;i found the preface more interesting than the tome, myself.
1537383;1473354967;mircea_popescu;iirc this is even discussed on trilema somewhere.
1537384;1473355177;asciilifeform;btw, bock's talk was announced , it looks like, 7 hours ago.
1537385;1473355192;asciilifeform;such flattery.
1537386;1473355203;asciilifeform;the derps were seriously worried that... what ?
1537387;1473355220;asciilifeform;that mircea_popescu would send rocket full of weasels ?
1537388;1473355225;asciilifeform;rabid capybaras ?
1537389;1473355277;asciilifeform;in other noose, remember the 'riseup' derpatron? the one with the, what, dozen phuctur pops ? well, https://archive.is/PEVaX
1537390;1473355282;asciilifeform;$s riseup
1537391;1473355282;a111;16 results for "riseup", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=riseup
1537392;1473355315;mircea_popescu;not worried as much as you know, "they care about us" sorta delusion.
1537393;1473355321;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459571
1537394;1473355321;a111;Logged on 2016-04-30 01:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 9 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize@riseup.net>; randomnoize (Tor relay operator) <randomnoize2009@googlemail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9319605DD9BFB5972272003BC0D6D2E999783C7256A75BF1BE08178A359F9542
1537395;1473355397;asciilifeform;and meanwhile, '"The Web-of-Trust is a geek's instrument", "Hard to explain" says Werner Koch'
1537396;1473355401;trinque;http://archive.is/y6ONu
1537397;1473355403;trinque;ahaha
1537398;1473355417;trinque;I don't know what they think this does.
1537399;1473355429;trinque;raises anti-awareness I suppose
1537400;1473355467;shinohai;Use our system, and leave the pesky key-handling to us!
1537401;1473355488;asciilifeform;elsewhere: esteemed mr boeck burns^H^H^H^H^Hdiscovers https://github.com/hannob/fritzbox-keys
1537402;1473355504;asciilifeform;'private keys found on AVM Fritz!Box firmware images' << some router.
1537403;1473355506;mircea_popescu;in other but entirely similar news, https://archive.is/L3eYg
1537404;1473355539;asciilifeform;lol!
1537405;1473355779;asciilifeform;http://saweis.net/posts/most-cited-security-papers-2013-2014.html << academilulz.
1537406;1473355810;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/48A4D << cached.
1537407;1473355890;asciilifeform;the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit
1537408;1473355923;asciilifeform;#3 ditto.
1537409;1473355930;asciilifeform;and 5.
1537410;1473355942;asciilifeform;13.
1537411;1473355944;asciilifeform;lel, half the list.
1537412;1473355951;asciilifeform;mass delusion, this.
1537413;1473356096;asciilifeform;http://blog.sec-consult.com/2016/09/house-of-keys-9-months-later-40-worse.html << herr boeck drops privkeys : 'The data we are publishing consists of 331 certificates including the matching private key as well as 553 individual private keys. We've also included the names of products that contain the certificates/keys. Cryptographic keys that were not found in Internet-wide scan data (Scans.io and Censys.io, HTTPS/SSH) are included as
1537414;1473356096;asciilifeform; well. These might be used in other protocols such as EAP/802.1X, FTPS etc. The data we are publishing allows researchers to reproduce the results of our study, find more cases or cryptographic key reuse, attribute cryptographic keys to specific vendors/products, but also to develop tools for detecting and exploiting this vulnerability class in the course of penetration tests. Releasing the private keys is not something we take light
1537415;1473356097;asciilifeform;ly as it allows global adversaries to exploit this vulnerability class on a large scale. However we think that any determined attacker can repeat our research and get the private keys from publicly available firmware with ease.'
1537416;1473356140;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks like they're going for a 'догоним и перегоним' tack re phuctor etc.
1537417;1473356218;phf;asciilifeform: have you seen all those "hardware sources of randomness" devices that's been surfacing recently?
1537418;1473356266;mircea_popescu;aha
1537419;1473356270;asciilifeform;phf: they've been surfacing for 20 years.
1537420;1473356284;asciilifeform;phf: five bucks and a soldering iron buys you a very acceptable rng.
1537421;1473356304;asciilifeform;(if you're comfortable with arithmetic)
1537422;1473356317;phf;asciilifeform: https://github.com/waywardgeek/infnoise https://keithp.com/blogs/chaoskey/
1537423;1473356341;asciilifeform;phf: for some reason everyone insists on SAME kind of idiocy
1537424;1473356356;asciilifeform;no isolated power. usually no shield.
1537425;1473356372;asciilifeform;digital oscillators right next to analogue circuit.
1537426;1473356380;asciilifeform;virtually never any shield. etc.
1537427;1473356408;asciilifeform;'whitening.'
1537428;1473356411;asciilifeform;$s whitening
1537429;1473356411;a111;51 results for "whitening", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=whitening
1537430;1473356427;asciilifeform;'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
1537431;1473356456;phf;asciilifeform: obviously above links are purely boekware entomology
1537432;1473356497;asciilifeform;from 2nd link : https://keithp.com/pictures/chaoskey-sch.pdf << illustrative of all of the ills
1537433;1473356604;asciilifeform;the interesting bit is that no servant of hitler ever need formally commision 'boeckware' - it is produced 'naturally', by herd of teenage imbecile alice_s
1537434;1473356726;asciilifeform;gotta love the UPGRADEABLE!11111 usb micros, too
1537435;1473356780;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537219 << have you read trinque's logbot yet?
1537436;1473356780;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 15:24 Framedragger: hey-ho, how about some frivolous over-engineering: http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt
1537437;1473356786;asciilifeform;we have here an arguable case of 'что русскому хорошо, то немцу — смерть' -- they cannot risk to import sanity.
1537438;1473356810;asciilifeform;so all of the boeckian products are recognizably similar in their nonsensical dance around the question
1537439;1473356905;trinque;ben_vulpes: why would anyone read republican code when there are shithubs to pilfer and tape together
1537440;1473356997;ben_vulpes;fella probably doesn't know the source is kicking around
1537441;1473357004;ben_vulpes;of course he might! so i ask.
1537442;1473357021;trinque;he does.
1537443;1473357052;ben_vulpes;literacy means /literature/ trinque.
1537444;1473357054;ben_vulpes;not /code/.
1537445;1473357074;trinque;I. what?
1537446;1473357137;trinque;no, read vpatches or gtfo.
1537447;1473357167;ben_vulpes;no but hey this thing about kant
1537448;1473357245;asciilifeform;waiwat
1537449;1473357320;phf;i think it's an elaborate spoof of mp/ascii dialogues
1537450;1473357374;*;trinque has nfi which thing about kant
1537451;1473357415;trinque;but on the subj, I didn't put together a bot and the wot mechanics to like, run in there and make my name!
1537452;1473357416;trinque;Framedragger: ^
1537453;1473357426;trinque;it's plumbing work, and plumbing work we already lost once
1537454;1473357433;asciilifeform;^^
1537455;1473357538;trinque;this is one of the blessings of V.
1537456;1473357551;trinque;if you *bother* to write something worth writing, you are free from that task thereafter
1537457;1473357565;asciilifeform;this pill, like other pills, only works if YOU TAKE IT however.
1537458;1473357581;asciilifeform;'put between knees!' does not work.
1537459;1473357592;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu helpfully pointed out.
1537460;1473357616;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-23#1527828 << subj
1537461;1473357616;a111;Logged on 2016-08-23 18:49 mircea_popescu: pretty ridoinculous seeing how half the time i fuck girl with knees together.
1537462;1473358824;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:798/to:798#798 << yeah i have! it's really neat. have you? :) the larger part of the code is in trinque's *ircbot*, btw. logbot plugs in very nicely. but fact of the matter is, http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/irc_logging.txt would be orthogonal, i.e. the two can be devleoped independently, to a degree
1537463;1473358825;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [17:46:20] <ben_vulpes> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537219 << have you read trinque's logbot yet?
1537464;1473358859;ben_vulpes;oh teh snark
1537465;1473358873;Framedragger;well i'm just returning the snark eh :p
1537466;1473358897;Framedragger;the "but kant" homage to mp (maybe?) made me lol btw :D
1537467;1473359013;*;trinque has no idea what separating history citing and history collecting buys
1537468;1473359030;trinque;you do realize also that freenode might as well be owned by hitler
1537469;1473359044;trinque;having the www separate, yes
1537470;1473359083;Framedragger;not in terms of bigbro collection stuff, but in terms of making it more difficult to ddos
1537471;1473359084;trinque;also know that one properly configured nginx should be able to handle massive amounts of traffic
1537472;1473359093;trinque;it's text you're serving, not porn vids
1537473;1473359098;trinque;^
1537474;1473359122;trinque;Framedragger: freenode rate limits messages; how am I going to ddos a bot
1537475;1473359157;Framedragger;of course of course; but as was stated multiple times, it's about making things more *difficult* / costly for adversaries. you can always slippery slope into "such powerful adversary with infinite motivation" and win the argument - and that's legit, sure
1537476;1473359174;Framedragger;find ip and ddos machine behind ip
1537477;1473359190;Framedragger;thru other services and just plain syn flood or w/e
1537478;1473359220;Framedragger;but, yeah, overthinking much? prolly....
1537479;1473359282;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1l7D
1537480;1473359282;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1537481;1473359301;trinque;Framedragger: hostmask hides IP if you want that, so get hostmask for your bot
1537482;1473359328;Framedragger;it's not really reliable. but i may just be doing that slippery slope insane adversary thing myself here. :/
1537483;1473359333;trinque;aha
1537484;1473359367;trinque;better to clearly define the work, then solve simply and move on.
1537485;1473359381;trinque;you will not fix TCP/IP with teh botz
1537486;1473359385;trinque;ask asciilifeform
1537487;1473359387;Framedragger;*sigh*. "that's boring". no, you're right, i agree.
1537488;1473359530;mircea_popescu;and in other "what makes languages dumb",
1537489;1473359538;mircea_popescu;!~translate ro to en "ati fost destituit"
1537490;1473359539;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: You have been dismissed
1537491;1473359566;mircea_popescu;aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary).
1537492;1473359598;mircea_popescu;meanwhile english is basically this language of some superficial twerps who noticed the effects (destitute, ie poor, right ? institute, ie, the building where they do them town things, right ?)
1537493;1473359605;mircea_popescu;!~translate ro to en "ati fost concediat"
1537494;1473359606;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: You have been fired
1537495;1473359611;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: degeneration to monkey is directly observable with naked eye among the englishers
1537496;1473359612;mircea_popescu;literally, you have been vacationed.
1537497;1473359615;mircea_popescu;and so on ad libitum
1537498;1473359617;shinohai;Would be funny to translate that as "You will now be destitute"
1537499;1473359630;asciilifeform;take their 'losing' various features
1537500;1473359640;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol. it's "you've been destituted" though. because you know, there's a functioning of past participle
1537501;1473359652;mircea_popescu;and generally speaking grammatical categories are first and foremost categories OF MEANING
1537502;1473359660;mircea_popescu;not arbitrary fucking labels and empty forms.
1537503;1473359672;asciilifeform;monkey inheriting man's tools rips the 'excess' knobs off, first thing.
1537504;1473359676;mircea_popescu;quite.
1537505;1473359707;mircea_popescu;and then ends up predictably stupid in a certain way. /me thinks "environment" is not properly said to be a large factor - other than poor genetics of being sheepfuckers in the first place - in the apparition of SUTO.
1537506;1473359717;asciilifeform;(man inheriting monkey land also spends time scraping off monkey turds, but process is only superficially similar)
1537507;1473359717;mircea_popescu;it's not "the environment" vaguely like that. it is, first and foremost, the language.
1537508;1473359722;mircea_popescu;english makes people stupid.
1537509;1473359740;asciilifeform;even orlov had a series re subj
1537510;1473359778;asciilifeform;it is a brain-melter to the poor natives, most of'em never get past own initial 'la la can't hear you' reaction
1537511;1473359789;asciilifeform;and resist any attempt at a cure.
1537512;1473359819;mircea_popescu;i'm not even sure there is a cure. "oh foreign languages are hard." "well of fucking course they're are, you frittered away your 3-5yo interval of brain plasticity on learning adspeak."
1537513;1473359832;mircea_popescu;at least hungarians know they've been cursed with stupid.
1537514;1473359882;shinohai;speek Americunt
1537515;1473359920;mircea_popescu;then mp is all fucking annoyed, "wtf is with these idiots, they rip out some bit off culture, give it a name and strut around". doh. this is what the fucking language trains them to do in the first place.
1537516;1473359946;mircea_popescu;"noun". what the everloving fuck "noun". you mean substantive ? "oh no mp, that's an adverb". "doubleplusmata."\
1537517;1473360229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, re the derp circus : as long as you publish on the internet, there's going to be some "businessman" trying to republish your content, and spam it around. none of this is particulary surprising or worth the mention or anything. not like original publication isn't firmly established. so let them beat up the wall until they've had enough or the bezzle runs out, whichever.
1537518;1473360321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have 0 interest in garden-variety 'businessman of luxor', only in hitler's annointed poodles.
1537519;1473360421;mircea_popescu;how do you distinguish.
1537520;1473360449;asciilifeform;it is not especially hard to distinguish gavin from covertress
1537521;1473360454;mircea_popescu;really ?
1537522;1473360459;mircea_popescu;how ?
1537523;1473360497;mircea_popescu;ironically, both eth and whatever-that-was got raped. i'm all ears, you picked like the worst examples conceivable.
1537524;1473360502;asciilifeform;one starts on front page of völkischer beobachter and american tv, the other - sits in cafes sadly and wonders why it gets 51%ed for 7th time
1537525;1473360511;asciilifeform;*stars
1537526;1473360541;mircea_popescu;ie, one stars in random-lj-x, other in random-lj-y ; one sits in cafes and wonders, other sits in cafes and wonders.
1537527;1473360544;mircea_popescu;i see not this difference.
1537528;1473360545;asciilifeform;there is certainly a wide 'gray zone' of buterinade between gavin and covertress .
1537529;1473360563;mircea_popescu;gavin is ~a used cumsock.
1537530;1473360578;asciilifeform;from the parking orbit of mircea_popescu's dirigible, somewhere past pluto, both look quite similar yes.
1537531;1473360582;asciilifeform;for earthlings - less so.
1537532;1473360591;trinque;one just won the hitler lottery
1537533;1473360598;trinque;doesn't distinguish it
1537534;1473360609;asciilifeform;trinque: there was no 'merit' implied in 'anointed poodle'
1537535;1473360639;asciilifeform;y'know, sorta like how a train wreck is just another train wreck, unless it's ~YOUR~ train wreck
1537536;1473360643;asciilifeform;and there's a chair up YOUR arse
1537537;1473360645;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537491 << you can say somebody was instituted into a position when they are given a job
1537538;1473360645;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 18:32 mircea_popescu: aha. except there's no "you've been inmissed". the way words work in actual languages is that you institute (say a rule) and you destitute (eg a functionary).
1537539;1473360668;mircea_popescu;the only difference being that khaleed started life pretending to, and here i quote, "I am one of the agents sent by the high priest to bring as many of those who are interested in becoming a member of the Illuminati to the great Illuminati temple,am a traditional herbalist healer and no problem without a solution to me but I was ones like you I could not evening feed my family what kind of life was that to live I lived in po
1537540;1473360669;mircea_popescu;verty until I saw an opportunity to be a member of the great Illuminati brotherhood and I took my chances and I have been a member for close to three years now and the higher you get the richer you become." whereas gavin started life pretending to be in charge of bitcoin.
1537541;1473360679;mircea_popescu;upon examination it came out that neither have any relation to the thing they were posturing in front of.
1537542;1473360682;mircea_popescu;0 difference, really.
1537543;1473360714;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes, some vestiges of sanity still remain.
1537544;1473360774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you may find power analysis a useful tool in this discussion. what exactly CAN any of these do ?
1537545;1473360792;mircea_popescu;because powerless.1 === powerless.2 even from an orbit more interior than pluto's.
1537546;1473360863;asciilifeform;this leads into the sacramental question of why 'control the vertical and the horizontal! gott mit uns!111' is a thing at all.
1537547;1473360885;mircea_popescu;it barely holds together as a thing, and adversarially only.
1537548;1473360904;asciilifeform;the way i understand it, there is a population of folks susceptible to sanity. who, were they to show up here, by same happenstance, e.g., asciilifeform , did, would stand constructively on tmsr side.
1537549;1473360906;mircea_popescu;"we control the vertical and the" "how come i can't have a fucking gallon of gas ?" "oh sorry about that... nothing we can do."
1537550;1473360916;mircea_popescu;i doubt this.
1537551;1473360917;asciilifeform;the objective of enemy is to keep'em 'in the dark & eatin' shit'
1537552;1473360960;asciilifeform;which is what boeck et al are for.
1537553;1473360960;mircea_popescu;the folks "susceptible to sanity" are like the women "susceptible to porn queening". honey, if they were gonna they'd have been doing it already.
1537554;1473360977;mircea_popescu;the pretense that they may start any minute now is broadly speaking that - a pretense. who knows, maybe you send the advance fee.
1537555;1473361026;mircea_popescu;anyway. i don't buy into this "people good but evil govenrment corrupts". as near as i can see, "people suck and government does the best it can, as their product."
1537556;1473361041;mircea_popescu;ie, the dumb and deaf scion of a drunk and a whore.
1537557;1473361044;asciilifeform;'people suck but for a few ppm'
1537558;1473361107;asciilifeform;boeck et al is to reduce the risk that taleb shows up here. etc
1537559;1473361118;mircea_popescu;odds are that most of those "susceptible to sanity" are more or less caught in a prison of their own making, elliot style. would you blame isla vista for the guy's issues ?
1537560;1473361127;mircea_popescu;there's ~0 risk taleb shows up here.
1537561;1473361142;asciilifeform;the occasional prisoner does dig the proverbial spoon tunnel and makes a break for it.
1537562;1473361151;mircea_popescu;yes, but not aged 60+
1537563;1473361171;mircea_popescu;or to quote voltaire, "i'm too old to make new friends."
1537564;1473361231;mircea_popescu;same reason al schwartz doesn't make his way here ; and same exact reason i dunno, lew rockwell can't pass my idiot filter.
1537565;1473361233;mircea_popescu;being old sucks.
1537566;1473361254;asciilifeform;the other thing about the boecks is that hitler maintains - quite successfully - an atmosphere of despair and intellectual death
1537567;1473361259;PeterL;Guy in prison uses a spoon to dig tunnel out, pops up in a playground, jumps up and down shouting "I'm free, I'm free." A little girl walks up to him and says "So what? I'm four!"
1537568;1473361268;asciilifeform;lel
1537569;1473361336;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude gtfo. "hitler maintains". tell you what, if i fill a room with depressive thirty-yo-crisis chicks it's gonna be that "the room" has "an atmosphere". then if i kick them out and in the same atmosphere introduce happy-go-lucky nineteen year olds, suddenly the same room "has an atmosphere" of juvenile enthusiasm.
1537570;1473361353;mircea_popescu;wtf is this, "atmosphere". stop being an obnoxious bitch, that's the atmosphere.
1537571;1473361361;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every time some dude goes 'i could try and spend 20yr and maybe come up with a sane basis for crypto --- or there's that bottle of whisky. and it looks moar like a deal' hitler wins.
1537572;1473361371;mircea_popescu;wins what ?
1537573;1473361393;asciilifeform;another 1000 years of reich, wat.
1537574;1473361396;mircea_popescu;drunks' choices are theirs to make, what am i, borderline ?
1537575;1473361452;asciilifeform;british soldiers carting in convoy of rotgut barrels to distribute to australian abos, betcha, also said 'drunks' choices!'
1537576;1473361462;mircea_popescu;the emotional color of "atmosphere" is exactly of the same origin as the "feelings" furries perceive in animals' eyes : psychogenic.
1537577;1473361473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yep. and they were right.
1537578;1473361487;asciilifeform;ya ya exceptional-individuals-are-unstoppable-whatever.
1537579;1473361488;mircea_popescu;idiots have no room in this world, which is why i hear their father got some real estate waiting for them somewhere else.
1537580;1473361549;asciilifeform;ya ya all these earthlings are idiots and only on this dirigible i'm d'artagnan ok.
1537581;1473361563;mircea_popescu;how do i enter into it again ?
1537582;1473361575;asciilifeform;well, invulnerable to 'atmosphere'
1537583;1473361592;mircea_popescu;these two aren't related.
1537584;1473361620;asciilifeform;i can already picture mircea_popescu as ww1 officer. green cloud rolls over trench, grunts coughing out their lungs, 'stop being obnoxious bitchez!111'
1537585;1473361640;shinohai;lolz
1537586;1473361656;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo. when did "atmosphere" of "depressive" suddenly catch protons and become physical chlorine.
1537587;1473361663;mircea_popescu;you ready to bring me a mol of "depression" gas ?
1537588;1473361680;asciilifeform;funnily enough usg spent decades in search of actual 'depression gas'
1537589;1473361683;asciilifeform;but no, that's not it.
1537590;1473361685;mircea_popescu;in retrospect i should prolly have said mole, but a well.
1537591;1473361736;asciilifeform;witness the stillbirth of cryptography as a scientific discipline.
1537592;1473361744;asciilifeform;i do not believe that it was a natural occurrence.
1537593;1473361761;asciilifeform;and cannot see how anyone with half a brain could conceive of this.
1537594;1473361762;mircea_popescu;the principal symptom of major depressive disorder is the delusional notion on the part of the patient that his self-enacted emotional state has some sort of physical existence independent of himself.
1537595;1473361793;mircea_popescu;dude... what scientific discipline isn't stillborn in the land of the suto ? seriously now.
1537596;1473361808;asciilifeform;epidemiology is not canceled simply on account of inability to point finger to a physical agent.
1537597;1473361821;asciilifeform;if 1 bloke rolls over and dies of meh - that's 1 weirdo fewer
1537598;1473361821;mircea_popescu;back in like...2005 iirc ? 2008 maybe ? a guy used foia to get ALL the studies on antidepressant medicine. because you know, everyone had to file them with the fda.
1537599;1473361834;asciilifeform;if 1,000,000,001 do - it is a proper subject of epidemiology
1537600;1473361835;mircea_popescu;guess what ? it turned out 30 years of research and a whole discipline was... stillborn.
1537601;1473361844;asciilifeform;and a result of a weapon firing.
1537602;1473361859;mircea_popescu;not so.
1537603;1473361861;trinque;what weapon fired in egypt?
1537604;1473361863;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh, placebocin worx great.
1537605;1473361866;asciilifeform;trinque: u.s. dos.
1537606;1473361866;trinque;or did the idiots simply outfuck
1537607;1473361876;trinque;no the actual egypt
1537608;1473361886;mircea_popescu;trinque he has this constructed thing whereby "x must exist and the thing that must exist we call x".
1537609;1473361892;asciilifeform;trinque: dunno that anybody knows.
1537610;1473361920;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is the only practical alternative to 'electron moves because allah's farts push it'
1537611;1473361937;mircea_popescu;"we shall call allah x" ? that's your alternative ?
1537612;1473361945;asciilifeform;mno
1537613;1473361949;mircea_popescu;such alternative! i suppose next we call idiots something else also.
1537614;1473361954;asciilifeform;alternative is 'cut the thing or die trying'
1537615;1473361975;Framedragger;"North Korea bans sarcasm because Kim Jong-un fears people only agree with him ‘ironically’" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-bans-sarcasm-kim-jong-un-freedom-speech-a7231461.html
1537616;1473361986;asciilifeform;Framedragger: believe 0 of what comes out of south kr press
1537617;1473362009;shinohai;http://archive.is/30h6N   <<< darpa news
1537618;1473362011;asciilifeform;which is the source of ~100% of '5 reasons north kr is CRAYYYYZEEE you MUST know'
1537619;1473362022;Framedragger;oh yeah. i'm there for the lulzy headlines. but you're right asciilifeform
1537620;1473362023;mircea_popescu;o look, the onion bought the independent
1537621;1473362144;asciilifeform;'Third, develop a capability to eliminate unwanted engineered genes from environments and restore systems to their genetic baseline state.' << wat.
1537622;1473362158;asciilifeform;i cannot parse this document. it is output of a shannonizer.
1537623;1473362170;asciilifeform;in retrospect, the folks lysenko was shooting, had it good.
1537624;1473362179;asciilifeform;at least their opponents spoke HUMAN SPEECH
1537625;1473362188;mircea_popescu;allegedly.
1537626;1473362218;shinohai;<asciilifeform>	i cannot parse this document. it is output of a shannonizer.   <<< kek
1537627;1473362287;shinohai;I suppose ouput such as this is designed to get more $$$ in defense spending or somesuch
1537628;1473362291;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:383/to:793#383 << lol wtf is with the derpage.
1537629;1473362292;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [13:03:15] <mircea_popescu> as seen yesterday
1537630;1473362293;mircea_popescu;oh shit.
1537631;1473362304;mircea_popescu;Framedragger did i misread or did you say it's not doing this anymoar ?
1537632;1473362326;asciilifeform;iirc he turned the knob to 'spit 1 line'
1537633;1473362328;asciilifeform;which it did.
1537634;1473362342;mircea_popescu;yeah but the wrong one.
1537635;1473362363;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#793 <
1537636;1473362364;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [17:40:27] <asciilifeform> 'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
1537637;1473362415;asciilifeform;i know of ZERO exceptions to 'hey dudebroz, i built rng!111 and here's how i whitened, because MUST...'
1537638;1473362458;mircea_popescu;a well.
1537639;1473362476;asciilifeform;i find this particular mental block quite interesting
1537640;1473362488;asciilifeform;behind it hide many of the other pathologies in the cluster.
1537641;1473362522;asciilifeform;there is a fundamental (and solidly boecktronically-supported and propagated) misconception about what cryptography even IS
1537642;1473362544;mircea_popescu;"here's how we're being respectful to one another, because god forbid if someone should speak plainly we might hear about all those classes we skipped in college."
1537643;1473362573;mircea_popescu;gotta whiten, it's the cryptographical priviledge check.
1537644;1473362578;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-05#1534723
1537645;1473362578;a111;Logged on 2016-09-05 21:01 asciilifeform: trinque: who cribs, has not ~understood~.
1537646;1473362583;asciilifeform;if the indians were clever and looked as if they were at risk for discovering vaccination , quarantine, etc. and laughing off smallpox blankets, how might equally clever englishmen have countered ?
1537647;1473362593;asciilifeform;it is what usg did to crypto.
1537648;1473362649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw i skipped (well, quit ~2 wks in) crypto class in school.
1537649;1473362652;asciilifeform;it was barfalicious.
1537650;1473362667;mircea_popescu;the indians didn't stand a chance. if you think vaccination works in aboriginal population you're a very special sort of lovely.
1537651;1473362674;asciilifeform;well not these.
1537652;1473362682;asciilifeform;hypothetical alt-indians, lol.
1537653;1473362687;mircea_popescu;vaccination works, in yurpeans first and foremost, because we're whores. and always have been.
1537654;1473362693;mircea_popescu;lol, ie, french indians.
1537655;1473362816;mircea_popescu;(to explain the science involved : immunity works as a multi layered interplay of numerous proteins. some recognize specific bits of cells - hopefully, pathogens only, or else autoimmune response - some mark these recognitions, some others further mark, it's a whole shebang.
1537656;1473362816;mircea_popescu;all these proteins are created, mostly in the liver, on the basis of blueprints, which are encoded genetically. which means that if your father didn't have anywhere a marker for smallpox, and he had you with a woman who also, you are immune to vaccination : it won't express anything.
1537657;1473362837;mircea_popescu;vacciness work through stimulating the expression of pre existing genes/proteins/complexes, not by creating a magical forcefield around your dick.)
1537658;1473362864;asciilifeform;soooo mircea_popescu knows of a case of indian suffering smallpox 2+ times ?
1537659;1473362888;mircea_popescu;usually fatal the first time.
1537660;1473362892;asciilifeform;well yes.
1537661;1473362913;asciilifeform;but among the remainder ~10%
1537662;1473362924;mircea_popescu;but more's the pojnt : even in very genetically diverse populations (such as yurpeans, because colonialism! such as not redskins, because stoneage losers), a good portion of the population has poor vaccine response.
1537663;1473362946;mircea_popescu;they are protected however still, because "herd immunity", which is to say OTHER people not gettng it artificially reduces the "population density" from the pov of that pathogen.
1537664;1473362950;mircea_popescu;which permits them to live.
1537665;1473362977;asciilifeform;herdimmunity is kindergarten material aha
1537666;1473363031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm not prepared to go into microbiological details of smallpox. but even admitting vaccine saved 10, heck, 20% of the population. then what ?
1537667;1473363048;mircea_popescu;if the us lost 400mn heads tomorrow it wouldn't stand.
1537668;1473363059;asciilifeform;( incidentally : for some reason nobody mentions the basic reason why savages drop like flies even from relatively mild epidemic: no slack in the gears! i.e. if no one gets out of bed for 2 weeks, EVERYONE starves )
1537669;1473363081;mircea_popescu;large part of how black death worked, sure.
1537670;1473363105;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:995/to:995#995 << your requested citation link was http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:383/to:793#383 - both the anchro (383 - now preferred over from: ) and the from: point to 383, so it spits 383
1537671;1473363106;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [13:03:15] <mircea_popescu> as seen yesterday
1537672;1473363113;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if u.s. lost 400 mn heads, you will have a gaping black hole in which ~80 mn. randos will get immediately sucked in. or the like.
1537673;1473363124;Framedragger;but it appears the whole range thing fucks things up too much to be useful
1537674;1473363135;asciilifeform; >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-05#546998 << see also.
1537675;1473363135;a111;Logged on 2014-03-05 02:44 mircea_popescu: bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal :
1537676;1473363144;mircea_popescu;Framedragger meanwhile i figured out that if im careful to never use it, it won'\t mostly pop in again
1537677;1473363166;Framedragger;:)
1537678;1473363181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly what happened with indians, too. mn randos were sucked into indian lands / indian women / etc.
1537679;1473363214;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what's your notion of a difference between a public and secret bot ?
1537680;1473363229;mircea_popescu;eg, "~a111@unaffiliated/phf/bot/a111"
1537681;1473363256;asciilifeform;Framedragger: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-news-latest-soldiers-nuclear-backpacks-kim-jong-un-tensions-us-south-korean-military-a7217401.html << typical gargle, '“Outstanding soldiers were selected from each reconnaissance platoon and light infantry brigade to form the nuclear backpack unit the size of a battalion,” the source from North Hamgyong province was quoted as saying. The supposed weapons were
1537682;1473363256;asciilifeform; said to weigh between 10 and 30 kilograms and be able to “spray radioactive material”, possibly uranium, on the enemy. It was impossible to verify the account given to Radio Free Asia, which is funded by the US government.'
1537683;1473363291;mircea_popescu;wasn't this ancient us army crap from like the 1950s ?
1537684;1473363328;asciilifeform;actual 1man nukes were a '70s item iirc.
1537685;1473363350;mircea_popescu;so fucking stupid. soviet workers shoveled dirt in the very core of the blasted ukrainian plant.
1537686;1473363375;mircea_popescu;wtf, they're going to carry a plant by the backpack so the enemy has to take 10 minute breaks after every two minutes of shooting ?
1537687;1473363377;asciilifeform;but if mircea_popescu was speaking of 'making up hilarious horseshit about north kr', yes, was american sport stating in '50s.
1537688;1473363398;asciilifeform;*starting
1537689;1473363417;mircea_popescu;who the fuck thinks this works. seriously now. trying to shoot the idiot is hard enough, but to disable enemy combatants by spraying "uranium" on them...
1537690;1473363434;mircea_popescu;!~search golania accident
1537691;1473363434;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: (search <word>) -- Searches for <word> in the current configuration variables.
1537692;1473363442;mircea_popescu;!~google golania accident
1537693;1473363443;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Goiânia accident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%25C3%25A2nia_accident>; The Radiological Accident in Goiânia - IAEA Publications: <http://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/publications/PDF/Pub815_web.pdf>; Goiânia incident Brasil - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dfh-VqehmgCQ>
1537694;1473363455;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had entire article about subj
1537695;1473363459;mircea_popescu;^ actual spoonfull of straight cesium, complete with chereknov blue glow, handled. by hand.
1537696;1473363461;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: secret bot is an irc user in a channel which no-one knows to be a bot (or a bot of particular use). scriba also has that kind of hostmask (unaffiliated/framedragger/bot/scriba) but everyone knows what scriba is for.
1537697;1473363462;Framedragger;but i have to stop presenting ideas i do not really believe in myself. i guess i thought it may garner some useful feedback tho.
1537698;1473363467;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it never ceases to amaze me.
1537699;1473363476;asciilifeform;>> http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand <<
1537700;1473363515;trinque;Framedragger: didn't it?
1537701;1473363519;mircea_popescu;lol
1537702;1473363548;trinque;the forum works.
1537703;1473363551;Framedragger;it did, it did! but i feel i may be wasting people's time by asking to look into half-baked ideas
1537704;1473363568;trinque;feel free to review some of my half-bakery from old logs.
1537705;1473363570;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:840/to:840#840 << freenode kinda leaks ips, so the hostmask is not THAT strong a protection anywya.
1537706;1473363571;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [18:26:30] <Framedragger> thru other services and just plain syn flood or w/e
1537707;1473363572;Framedragger;like, there's a line between stimulating the forum and trolling that should not be breached
1537708;1473363633;Framedragger;trinque: coolcool. and yeah thanks :)
1537709;1473363646;PeterL;one man's (alf's) half-baked idea is better than another's work of art
1537710;1473363676;Framedragger;!~bash 1
1537711;1473363677;jhvh1;Last 1 lines bashed and pending publication
1537712;1473363716;trinque;provoke him bad enough and he might even teach you something.
1537713;1473363814;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://66.media.tumblr.com/972ca1e498f8ab9b5eb2e6855486116f/tumblr_od6l2tEkYa1uhn2lfo2_1280.jpg
1537714;1473363891;asciilifeform;l0l!
1537715;1473363905;asciilifeform;is that a 100amp mains cable feeding into the cow skull ?
1537716;1473363915;mircea_popescu;looks like it.
1537717;1473364274;Framedragger;from a friend mentioning release of iphone 7 and seeing this pic http://i.imgur.com/SAkZ0C4.jpg i just realized that apple didn't put a fucking 3.5mm jack into their newest shit"phone". srsly.
1537718;1473364277;Framedragger;hence alf's quotes above
1537719;1473364295;Framedragger;lol.
1537720;1473364367;mircea_popescu;iphone 7 ? srsly ?!
1537721;1473364413;mircea_popescu;by the time ice age 24 is available "only in select theatres" because nobody can be arsed to torrent it they'll be ready with iphone 17 ?
1537722;1473364434;Framedragger;i know right?
1537723;1473364482;Framedragger;"phone"
1537724;1473364804;asciilifeform;Framedragger: thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536473 >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537331
1537725;1473364804;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 19:27 asciilifeform: 'AirPods will use Infrared sensors to detect when they’re in your ears, playing only when they’re in your ears. The setup process is super easy — connect the AirPods once to your iPhone, and the AirPods instantly sync over iCloud to your other devices. From there, you never worry about them again.' >> oblig. >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752
1537726;1473364804;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 16:34 asciilifeform: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/256205-thumb/AirPods-header.jpg << is it just me or do these look like... smokes ?
1537727;1473365403;ben_vulpes;iVape
1537728;1473365449;shinohai;only uses crapple-flavoured e-liquid ?
1537729;1473365537;ben_vulpes;proprietary nico fix
1537730;1473366113;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1537731;1473366126;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/well-fargo-fined-over-non-consensual-account-openings/ << Qntra - Well Fargo Fined Over Non-Consensual Account Openings
1537732;1473366136;BingoBoingo;!~ty shinohai
1537733;1473366137;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1537734;1473366171;shinohai;sfy fiat lawz
1537735;1473366649;mircea_popescu;lol
1537736;1473369517;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/kim-jung-un-bans-sarcasm/ << Qntra - Kim Jung Un Bans Sarcasm
1537737;1473369542;BingoBoingo;^ backdoor election update, in the pooper
1537738;1473369691;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-30#1218462 & other threads.
1537739;1473369691;a111;Logged on 2015-07-30 19:42 ascii_field: trinque: virtually everything printed in english re: north kr is a bold-faced lie out of the mouth of south kr
1537740;1473369724;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe, but from the lie flow many truths!
1537741;1473369734;asciilifeform;how's that
1537742;1473369748;BingoBoingo;Well, read past the headline for the other Kim Jung Uns
1537743;1473369767;BingoBoingo;The ones that don't require sarcasm
1537744;1473369873;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-20#1025370 << see also.
1537745;1473369873;a111;Logged on 2015-02-20 00:46 asciilifeform: if it takes a batshit king and world's thickest minefield to keep out 'mcdonalds', it might yet turn out to be worth it.
1537746;1473370700;BingoBoingo;!!up gabriel_laddel
1537747;1473370700;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1537748;1473370707;BingoBoingo;Good afternoon Gabby
1537749;1473370724;gabriel_laddel;Hey there. On a much better connection today.
1537750;1473370780;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1536791 < they're not bad. ~A power bar you buy in bulk.
1537751;1473370780;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 02:09 asciilifeform: http://www.mealsquares.com << turns out - they do exist.
1537752;1473370848;gabriel_laddel;Soylent "food bars" are much tastier though.
1537753;1473370859;trinque;millenial hardtack!
1537754;1473370861;trinque;lol
1537755;1473370866;BingoBoingo;One can also buy "power bars" in bulk and not regret their life choices as they eat mostly read food with the occasional "power bar"
1537756;1473371023;trinque;gabriel_laddel: what's new in the mclim-mines
1537757;1473371026;trinque;*mcclim
1537758;1473371040;gabriel_laddel;I'm translating the spec from HTML to CLIM.
1537759;1473371110;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535380 < also, glad to see someone reads the logs. These new n00bs don't seem to be aware of ~any past discussions.
1537760;1473371110;a111;Logged on 2016-09-06 23:27 trinque: all roads lead to make 50 billion dollars, then cry as alf says it's not enough
1537761;1473371130;trinque;not enough "read 6mos of logs" beatings.
1537762;1473371197;trinque;ah not in that case though. mod6 has perfectly legitimate interest there, and so do I.
1537763;1473371205;trinque;thought it was another recent thread.
1537764;1473371246;gabriel_laddel;iirc it was pretty clear that mod6 needs to read loper-os, but what do I know.
1537765;1473371336;trinque;heh! I'd be careful with that, masamune-san!
1537766;1473371750;gabriel_laddel;O right, that's why I dropped in here the other day.
1537767;1473371752;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536499
1537768;1473371752;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 21:35 mircea_popescu: (apparently a badly balanced something or the other by steve yegge - you know, the supposedly notable derp behind http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com2006/04/lisp-is-not-acceptable-lisp.html and a whole load of java, ruby etc)
1537769;1473371821;mircea_popescu;oh that was the other thing! "soylent". ran by some douchy dood with all sorts of "gonzo" marketing ideas, vaguely reminescent of the airbnb clowns.
1537770;1473371839;mircea_popescu;anyway, eating trail mix for survival, in town. what's wrong with you know, cuisine.
1537771;1473371841;gabriel_laddel;Fucking Yegge and everyone else who was involved with CL, even tangentially did a huge disservice to the language. He (and rich hicky) complains and complains about issues that can be solved with a few macros.
1537772;1473371885;mircea_popescu;wait, the clim authoritative spec exists as a html ?!
1537773;1473371900;gabriel_laddel;and a .pdf
1537774;1473371905;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1537775;1473371924;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1537776;1473371931;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 623.88, vol: 4131.39162265 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 622.01, vol: 6582.60806 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 628.47, vol: 8206.62208263 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 622.275, vol: 220339.85000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 626.63, vol: 1012.33540838 | Volume-weighted last average: 622.525278996
1537777;1473371991;BingoBoingo;^ The silence is wonder
1537778;1473372517;gabriel_laddel;Does anyone know of / has created a database of hardware offerings from various vendors?
1537779;1473373028;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/ << Trilema - Welcome to Baluba Island.
1537780;1473374017;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: What kind of hardware are you looking for?
1537781;1473374230;trinque;lol check it out, black superior seed fanfic
1537782;1473376151;mircea_popescu;aaaand in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/c2ba427794f9125fa67e4c873463f556/tumblr_nrry0fyBYY1uwmvxto1_400.gif
1537783;1473377379;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/politician-who-audited-elections-board-security-sentenced/ << Qntra - Politician Who Audited Elections Board Security Sentenced
1537784;1473377383;BingoBoingo;^ More other news
1537785;1473378315;mod6;We are pretty much at the point of starting V-ify these makefiles.
1537786;1473378343;mod6;And in doing so, it kinda brings us back to a previous discussion.
1537787;1473378380;*;shinohai takes down the samovar to make tea for this discussion.
1537788;1473378418;mod6;It was my first hunch, during a pre-emptive go around with this to not place the makefiles in with current source base -- as pressed out via V.
1537789;1473378471;mod6;We discussed this, it was Mr. P.'s hunch that these should belong together (I hope I'm remembering this correctly), and I saw the wisdom in that.
1537790;1473378477;mod6;And we haven't discussed it since.
1537791;1473378642;mod6;When creating a makefile vpatch (for examplehttp://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ebmj3/?raw=true), and then you press this out, you end up with something like this:
1537792;1473378686;mod6;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/xmr8g/?raw=true
1537793;1473378743;mod6;The problem is here, that when you run `make`, it'll build everthing under: build/rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src despite the fact that the source is really under src/
1537794;1473378771;mod6;this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
1537795;1473378824;mod6;Anyway, I bring this up because if we're determined to stick with this plan; the Makefiles included with the bitcoin source, then there is another ball of wax that needs to be discussed.
1537796;1473378932;mod6;I think that keeping the Makefiles as a separate V tree would keep things a lot more clean.
1537797;1473379197;mod6;Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree.  One can get V, press the makefile project.  Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.
1537798;1473379881;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537778 << be more specific plox?
1537799;1473379881;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 22:08 gabriel_laddel: Does anyone know of / has created a database of hardware offerings from various vendors?
1537800;1473379949;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537788 << at one time rotor was not the only builder, and so i cut'em off
1537801;1473379949;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 23:46 mod6: It was my first hunch, during a pre-emptive go around with this to not place the makefiles in with current source base -- as pressed out via V.
1537802;1473379960;asciilifeform;now it has 0 reason
1537803;1473379984;*;asciilifeform brb, meat
1537804;1473380312;mod6;I can't make heads or tails out out of what you're saying there asciilifeform.
1537805;1473380336;mod6;When you come back, maybe we can discuss what you're trying to exactly say.
1537806;1473380914;mod6;oh, if you're saying that the rotor is no longer needed, i can agree with that.  to an extent anyway.
1537807;1473380954;mod6;the two .sh scripts you have in there can be integrated into the makefiles directly i think.  however, we'll still need the openssl-004-musl-termios.patch and rotor_buildroot_dot_config
1537808;1473381200;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537806 <<< noooo
1537809;1473381200;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 00:28 mod6: oh, if you're saying that the rotor is no longer needed, i can agree with that.  to an extent anyway.
1537810;1473381216;asciilifeform;the OLD build is obsolete
1537811;1473381231;asciilifeform;the pre-musl 'stator'
1537812;1473381257;mod6;oh yeah, we're not reall messing with any of that stuff.  stator hasn't been a part of the 'orchastra' for some time now.
1537813;1473381558;mod6;so, im not 100% off the top of my head, but getting rid of the two rotor build script and integrating that portion into our makefiles ~might~ resolve at least part of the source redundancy issue.
1537814;1473381639;shinohai;Seriously mod6 it's coming along great, today's makefile build was so easy these Eulora noobs could probably do it.
1537815;1473381698;mod6;good to hear :]
1537816;1473381868;mod6;Actually, I forgot, trinque already did that part.  Makefile.rotor exists.
1537817;1473381903;mod6;It would probably need some tweaks in there ... hmm.
1537818;1473382198;mod6;Well, if it could be done without having to move anything that is already in place (as far as bitcoin is concerned), then it might work out alright.
1537819;1473382303;mod6;Will try to work that out.
1537820;1473382524;mod6;This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution.  Why?  A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
1537821;1473382606;mod6;The simplest solution would be to perhaps have a deedified tarball of makefiles, much like trinque already has, get the deed, verifiy it, decode it, extract it, navigate to the make script and `make`.
1537822;1473382629;mod6;Then let the makefiles do all the rest of the heavy lifting.
1537823;1473382635;mod6;bbs.
1537824;1473385741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what ip was zoolag before ?
1537825;1473385895;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 72.83.9.184
1537826;1473385899;asciilifeform;!!up boolcrap
1537827;1473385900;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1537828;1473385907;boolcrap;yo
1537829;1473385922;mircea_popescu;i had 72.83.9.196
1537830;1473386054;asciilifeform;was definitely 72.83.9.184.
1537831;1473386064;asciilifeform;$s 72.83.9.196
1537832;1473386064;a111;3 results for "72.83.9.196", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=72.83.9.196
1537833;1473386072;asciilifeform;old.
1537834;1473386091;asciilifeform;pre-dates the ~last~ fiber cut, heh.
1537835;1473386094;mod6;i've got: 72.83.9.184 listed on the foundation site.  is it back up now with different ip alf?
1537836;1473386125;asciilifeform;mod6: yes, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537106
1537837;1473386125;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 13:42 asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jxdrx/?raw=true
1537838;1473386209;asciilifeform;boolcrap: how's the gulag ?
1537839;1473386245;boolcrap;pretty good
1537840;1473386246;boolcrap;its a solid gig
1537841;1473386255;boolcrap;they got lots of peanut bars and seltzer water
1537842;1473386255;mod6;asciilifeform: verified, thanks!
1537843;1473386328;mod6;& updated
1537844;1473386840;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:998/to:1160#998 << so basically we got v running twice ?
1537845;1473386841;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [19:19:02] <mircea_popescu> yeah but the wrong one.
1537846;1473386888;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/from:998/to:1163#998 << so then every time you try to get software running you have to two two presses, one of makefiles, one of sourcefiles ?
1537847;1473386888;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [19:19:02] <mircea_popescu> yeah but the wrong one.
1537848;1473386918;mircea_popescu;oh ffs
1537849;1473386922;asciilifeform;blergh
1537850;1473386943;asciilifeform;try in the classic log ?
1537851;1473386945;mircea_popescu;Framedragger can we stop having this "multiline" bs unless specifically togled on somehow ?
1537852;1473386969;mircea_popescu;meanwhile  http://66.media.tumblr.com/a2030738cf42c481f0ba7412b18b0c81/tumblr_oa73fsi0hH1v01y6oo1_1280.jpg
1537853;1473386975;mircea_popescu;and :
1537854;1473386985;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1160 << so basically we got v running twice ?
1537855;1473386985;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:52:51] <mod6> this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
1537856;1473386995;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1163 << so then every time you try to get software running you have to two two presses, one of makefiles, one of sourcefiles ?
1537857;1473386996;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:59:57] <mod6> Altogether, since we have V, I like the idea of keeping things like makefiles and buildscripts out of the main source tree.  One can get V, press the makefile project.  Run a `make`, which will in-turn, press everything via V and then build with buildroot.
1537858;1473387046;asciilifeform;i admit that the thing where v is invoked from inside a make always bothered me.
1537859;1473387053;asciilifeform;invocations of v are meant to be ~conscious~
1537860;1473387058;asciilifeform;i.e. manual.
1537861;1473387058;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1537862;1473387061;asciilifeform;like firing a pistol.
1537863;1473387064;mircea_popescu;this isn't quite right as i understand it.
1537864;1473387076;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160908/#1160 << so basically we got v running twice ? << yeah, which wont do. after my monologue earlier, I have a hunch that I might be able to get it down to a single press.
1537865;1473387076;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-08: [23:52:51] <mod6> this is because the makefile process does it's own V press.
1537866;1473387091;mircea_popescu;why does make run a v anywya ?
1537867;1473387123;mod6;well it's earliest implementation, was a clone of our build scripts, which, used V to pull and press the source.
1537868;1473387198;mod6;anyway, i might be able to get it so that you press the tree, including the makefiles, and then just build.
1537869;1473387208;asciilifeform;^ the right thing.
1537870;1473387218;mircea_popescu;ok let's approach it this way : what is so special about the make files that they get their own tree ? why not say, all .c files get their own, all .h files get their separate own ? inasmuch as you can't use the makefiles without the sources, they belong in the same tree as the sources.
1537871;1473387220;mod6;(working on that / testing it now)
1537872;1473387229;mircea_popescu;right, exactly.
1537873;1473387239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: at one point we had 3 (then 2) quite separate types of builder.
1537874;1473387247;mircea_popescu;yes i know
1537875;1473387267;mircea_popescu;the early history of v is shrowded in chaos./
1537876;1473387270;mod6;yeah, after discussing with myself in here mainly, i'm not in love with that solution either.
1537877;1473387304;mod6;i could go on here.. but let's just say i didn't think it all the way through.
1537878;1473387376;mircea_popescu;in other news, who mentioned pull chord ?  http://66.media.tumblr.com/a2030738cf42c481f0ba7412b18b0c81/tumblr_oa73fsi0hH1v01y6oo1_1280.jpg
1537879;1473387393;boolcrap;oh my
1537880;1473387411;boolcrap;she was bad
1537881;1473387424;mod6;i'll see where i can get to with this new idea.  however, a person would have to do this to build the entire thing: get v; verify v; put vpatches, seals, and keys in place; press; then navigate to pressed dir, then `make`.
1537882;1473387426;asciilifeform;boolcrap: looks like anyone you remember from the old dayz ?
1537883;1473387432;asciilifeform;boolcrap: because i think she does.
1537884;1473387437;boolcrap;LOL
1537885;1473387438;mod6;does this seem acceptable?
1537886;1473387443;boolcrap;ur right
1537887;1473387446;boolcrap;same hair same body type
1537888;1473387449;boolcrap;meanwhile in america https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8105
1537889;1473387455;asciilifeform;boolcrap: i bet it was her.
1537890;1473387469;boolcrap;we can only hope
1537891;1473387506;mircea_popescu;mod6 make can't make from arbitrary dir ?
1537892;1473387530;mod6;well, one would still need to press everything out, which includes the source and makefiles in this case.
1537893;1473387546;mircea_popescu;" then navigate to pressed dir, " << i mean.
1537894;1473387550;mod6;which, seems to be the "pistols" way
1537895;1473387572;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> " then navigate to pressed dir, " << i mean. << ah, ok yeah one ~might~ be able to do that. not an expert on make tho.
1537896;1473387598;mod6;that's the easy part imho. the hard part is getting v, et. al., set up.
1537897;1473387614;asciilifeform;mod6: see my original rotor makefile. it chdirs to the dep dirs, makes there, etc.
1537898;1473387616;asciilifeform;not hard.
1537899;1473387630;mod6;ok. that's a minor consideration.
1537900;1473387635;mod6;not a problem then.
1537901;1473387638;mircea_popescu;yeah. minor point
1537902;1473387666;asciilifeform;was there a major point ?
1537903;1473387683;mod6;the setup of v; verify v; place everything where it needs to go, etc.
1537904;1473387695;mod6;for you and I, this is routine.
1537905;1473387700;mod6;for most people, not so.
1537906;1473387705;asciilifeform;!!up boolcrap
1537907;1473387706;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1537908;1473387721;asciilifeform;mod6: dunno that vtronic builds will ever be a 'most people' affair.
1537909;1473387731;asciilifeform;it is more like flying than driving, if you will.
1537910;1473387732;mircea_popescu;aaanyway
1537911;1473387742;mircea_popescu;so i'd say sounds good, mod6
1537912;1473387787;mod6;thanks Gentlemen.  I'll keep polishing here.  more to come, I'm sure.
1537913;1473387793;asciilifeform;good work mod6
1537914;1473387799;mod6;thx asciilifeform
1537915;1473387950;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537772 << before clim, common lisp's authoritative spec exists as... dead tree. while the version that ~everyone actually works from is html. because no, it is unusable without hyperlinking. >> http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Front
1537916;1473387950;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 21:58 mircea_popescu: wait, the clim authoritative spec exists as a html ?!
1537917;1473388023;asciilifeform;( most cl-using folk keep a copy on own disk. it is even a gentoo port . )
1537918;1473388086;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537758 << i never understood why the thing was published as html and not as a sexpr thing that gets htmlificated when you like
1537919;1473388086;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 21:44 gabriel_laddel: I'm translating the spec from HTML to CLIM.
1537920;1473388104;mircea_popescu;for instance.
1537921;1473388105;asciilifeform;considering that we can be quite certain that this is what it began life as.
1537922;1473388116;asciilifeform;given as the thing PREDATES HTML
1537923;1473388142;mircea_popescu;the ~only possible interpretation is that people simply suck at knowing what they got.
1537924;1473388169;asciilifeform;in all fairness, the lisp world was hit by the equivalent of thermonuke war, and buncha stuff was lost / mixed up / dusted over.
1537925;1473388174;phf;fwiw dpans has a copy of tex source, first or second to last draft before the standard was sent over to ansi. there's two projects that cleanup that tex, one is dpans2texi which produces texinfo formatted (this is what i use from emacs) and another by some russians that produces a clean pdf with hyperlinks
1537926;1473388176;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1537927;1473388211;asciilifeform;phf: hilariously, i've been trying to buy the dead tree for eons
1537928;1473388232;asciilifeform;phf: tried many times to have it printed in oncie copy, but NOBODY will promise it in ONE COVER
1537929;1473388251;asciilifeform;because you can't get printondemand books on 'bible paper', only heavy laserpaper
1537930;1473388272;asciilifeform;some dude got to naggum's death library copy just before i did...
1537931;1473388281;asciilifeform;*before i could
1537932;1473388308;phf;i have an ansi copy, it's a piece of shit though
1537933;1473388319;asciilifeform;nth generation xerox in a 3ring, aha
1537934;1473388322;asciilifeform;forgetit
1537935;1473388323;phf;yeap
1537936;1473388353;asciilifeform;i want the thing printed on archival paper and bound in motherfucking human leather.
1537937;1473388449;mircea_popescu;speaking of  http://66.media.tumblr.com/a2030738cf42c481f0ba7412b18b0c81/tumblr_oa73fsi0hH1v01y6oo1_1280.jpg
1537938;1473388473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i think boolcrap and i knew that chick in meatspace.
1537939;1473388481;mircea_popescu;which one ?
1537940;1473388487;asciilifeform;the one just linked
1537941;1473388490;asciilifeform;and again earlier
1537942;1473388491;asciilifeform;(same pic)
1537943;1473388513;phf;asciilifeform: i'm sure you've seen this version http://glyf.org/tmp/CL-ANSI.pdf
1537944;1473388515;mircea_popescu;o oops, wrong pic.
1537945;1473388524;mircea_popescu;meant http://67.media.tumblr.com/63a61ac5b255a869ae7da3262b671b4b/tumblr_oawqlhESbf1tplof1o1_1280.jpg
1537946;1473388533;asciilifeform;phf: yes. it's the one nobody can print into 1 b00k
1537947;1473388570;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's a bbc faggot
1537948;1473388571;phf;why is that? i've never tried
1537949;1473388586;mircea_popescu;dude watching airstrip one betamedia ?
1537950;1473388595;asciilifeform;phf: 1300 pg of laser paper takes up too much width
1537951;1473388631;phf;ah, i see. "bible paper vs laserpaper"
1537952;1473388635;asciilifeform;aha.
1537953;1473388691;asciilifeform;i dun need 1300 pg of laser paper anywhere. except possibly at my peine forte et dure !
1537954;1473388751;asciilifeform;clhs wants to live on the thin, glossy paper that bibles were once printed on.
1537955;1473388759;asciilifeform;naggum even noted this at some point in mid-'90s
1537956;1473388763;phf;one day orcs perhaps will use it to last through the night, as a kindle
1537957;1473388775;asciilifeform;lol yes
1537958;1473388787;boolcrap;lol
1537959;1473388791;boolcrap;hat picture
1537960;1473388795;asciilifeform;(though laser paper burns atrociously, it is treated with fire retardant so that to survive the fuser)
1537961;1473388945;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537866 << aha, evolving from earlier build scripts but has to go
1537962;1473388945;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 02:11 mircea_popescu: why does make run a v anywya ?
1537963;1473388956;trinque;in no small part because V is utterly useful as a tool on its own
1537964;1473388965;asciilifeform;now to be fair, phf, that's 680 sheets of paper.
1537965;1473388978;trinque;needs to end up in /usr/local/bin/v handily
1537966;1473388986;asciilifeform;but that is still far too much. (consider how a single american pack of paper holds 500 sheets, and its dimensions )
1537967;1473388990;phf;asciilifeform: have you tried contacting one of the dedicated bible printing shops? they could possibly do a small batch for you. spend int, sell the rest through wot
1537968;1473389021;asciilifeform;phf: actual presses generally are nosy and ask copyrasty questions
1537969;1473389031;asciilifeform;but it's always worth a try.
1537970;1473389036;phf;hmm hmm
1537971;1473389038;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537881 << presence of the sync command simplifies this neh?
1537972;1473389038;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 02:17 mod6: i'll see where i can get to with this new idea.  however, a person would have to do this to build the entire thing: get v; verify v; put vpatches, seals, and keys in place; press; then navigate to pressed dir, then `make`.
1537973;1473389042;asciilifeform;( down side is that it is too much like work )
1537974;1473389043;trinque;I use sync in my instructions for logbot
1537975;1473389064;asciilifeform;waitasec
1537976;1473389070;asciilifeform;wtf is 'sync'
1537977;1473389072;asciilifeform;that was not in my vtron.
1537978;1473389081;phf;asciilifeform: you don't want to know.
1537979;1473389084;trinque;now I did it
1537980;1473389099;asciilifeform;lol
1537981;1473389195;trinque;http://trinque.org/src/logbot/ << v.pl sync pulls from a URL structure like this one, populates patches and seals
1537982;1473389202;trinque;discuss!
1537983;1473389241;asciilifeform;what's wrong with pulling a tarball and using v like normal people ?
1537984;1473389272;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537908 << this may point to the whole thing having too much "end user friendly" concern
1537985;1473389272;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 02:22 asciilifeform: mod6: dunno that vtronic builds will ever be a 'most people' affair.
1537986;1473389291;trinque;foundation signs release, shmoe on street uses
1537987;1473389682;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537851 << omg teh bikeshedding!!!11!!1
1537988;1473389682;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 02:09 mircea_popescu: Framedragger can we stop having this "multiline" bs unless specifically togled on somehow ?
1537989;1473391169;mod6;<+trinque> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1537908 << this may point to the whole thing having too much "end user friendly" concern << fair enough, but many moons ago it was requested that it be a one-button-push launch.
1537990;1473391169;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 02:22 asciilifeform: mod6: dunno that vtronic builds will ever be a 'most people' affair.
1537991;1473392902;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's not bikeshedding when i actually use it.
1537992;1473392935;mircea_popescu;mod6 i dun think the one button push got cancelled.
1537993;1473392974;mircea_popescu;nerways ill be back tomorro
1537994;1473393008;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i shall leave you with http://67.media.tumblr.com/d8015f0fb3262cd6466ba75c2a376949/tumblr_o9jf3wT0YF1vyji3fo1_1280.jpg
1537995;1473393118;mod6;ah, ok then. have a good night.
1537996;1473393122;mod6;cute girls.
1537997;1473394222;BingoBoingo;!!up boolcrap
1537998;1473394222;deedbot;boolcrap voiced for 30 minutes.
1537999;1473398125;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537558 << as you'll note in http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/29/waiting-for-taleb/ , taleb isn't here for ~cultural~ reasons. not usgkultur either, but his proudly flashed mediterranean levantine orthodox roots. boeck has as much influence on this as antelope have on italian soda fizziness.
1538000;1473398125;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 18:58 asciilifeform: boeck et al is to reduce the risk that taleb shows up here. etc
1538001;1473398263;pete_dushenski;blaming the 'atmosphere' on the modest (but non-zero!) number of folks walking through the #trilema door is akin to blaming 'society' that you can't get an erection. it's not the talking head's fault that your wife's ugly.
1538002;1473398294;pete_dushenski;anyways, enjoyable thread there.
1538003;1473398754;pete_dushenski;strange market forces observation of the day : moving guys (ie. pure muscle) command the same going rate as qualified plumbers (ie. skilled trade). perhaps both are equally scarce relative to demand, or else the mover's rates just appear higher due to higher-than-plumber overhead (trucks, mechanics, garages, etc.). either way, it's always fun to figure out how the cookie crumbles.
1538004;1473398835;pete_dushenski;both are ~$60/hr if anyone cares to compare their geography at home
1538005;1473398961;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537331 << as with pack of gum, it's not a bad little psychological tactic, this. gets (l)users to experience the pringles-esque "once you pop you can't stop" phenomenon.
1538006;1473398961;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 16:34 asciilifeform: http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/articles/256205-thumb/AirPods-header.jpg << is it just me or do these look like... smokes ?
1538007;1473399086;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537375 << there are a few references on contravex as well. eg. http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/24/bitcoin-year-in-review-2014-the-price-went-down-so-we-prepared-for-war/#footnote_8_1928
1538008;1473399086;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 17:14 PeterL: speaking of books, mircea_popescu have you read "The Prince" by Machiavelli? I have been reading it and for some reason it made me think of you (though I expect you would read it in the original Italian?)
1538009;1473399111;*;pete_dushenski shamefully read in english.
1538010;1473399338;pete_dushenski;re: taleb, it's also worth noting that way back in 2014 i was ~the sole voice saying that camgirl vids weren't going to turn his crank and bring him here, in the face of "oh but he's still a dude, pete" opposition, no less. whereas alf regularly gets to say "i told you so" whenever another flaw in the shitstack of personal computing is revealed, or mp whenever another usg muppet hoists himself on his own
1538011;1473399341;pete_dushenski;petard, it's a rare treat for yours truly to be able to say as much in this company.
1538012;1473399392;pete_dushenski;obviously, "i told you so" and $5 will buy you coffee. and that it used to be $2 for coffee is neither here nor there.
1538013;1473399623;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537430 << das racist
1538014;1473399623;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 17:40 asciilifeform: 'Data coming from true random number generators is never 100% random. I am aware of no exceptions. Whitening is required in all cases before the data is suitable for use in cryptography.' << from first link
1538015;1473399920;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537513 << hell, they embrace it. their cars are ~the weirdest on the planet. some credit Béla Barényi with the original vw beetle design, which obviously also spawned the legendary porsche 911.
1538016;1473399920;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 18:37 mircea_popescu: at least hungarians know they've been cursed with stupid.
1538017;1473400010;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/4BFtG << history of hungarian microcars.
1538018;1473400028;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/cUEZI << history of hungarian soviet-era cars
1538019;1473400084;pete_dushenski;huh, archive.is missed some pics on the 2nd link. here the original then : http://jalopnik.com/these-were-your-car-options-in-hungary-under-the-soviet-1545678388
1538020;1473400159;pete_dushenski;nvm that jalopnik is a gawker property. if you stick with their hungarian writers, particularly peter orosz and mate petrany, you'll learn some mega-nifty and uber-arcane shit.
1538021;1473400243;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537529 << and how would mr. "i'd love to wank off but the gurlz would be too angry" know this exaclty ? little birdie whispered in his ear ? :p
1538022;1473400243;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 18:49 mircea_popescu: gavin is ~a used cumsock.
1538023;1473400531;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537575 << this ties in very neatly the never-ending thread about the meaning and definition of intelligence, particularly the angle about 'intelligent' being best used to describe an individual's actions ex post facto. injun is a genius only for as long as his world is of low complexity. when whitey comes over and opens pandora's box on his ass, complexity explodes and
1538024;1473400531;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 19:04 asciilifeform: british soldiers carting in convoy of rotgut barrels to distribute to australian abos, betcha, also said 'drunks' choices!'
1538025;1473400533;pete_dushenski;overwhelming majority of redmen are steamrolled by its sheer (liquid) mass.
1538026;1473400584;pete_dushenski;so, like design, intelligence... depends.
1538027;1473400669;pete_dushenski;!~ seen mats
1538028;1473400669;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: I have not seen mats.
1538029;1473401002;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/rK7hA << speaking of history and taleb, his latest aphorism. i can dig it. (for non-link-clickers : read more ancient history of private lives)
1538030;1473401715;pete_dushenski;and now, your moment of zen https://youtu.be/2ZmM-2gj5Gc
1538031;1473401752;*;pete_dushenski to take a few long blinks
1538032;1473402875;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, agreed, will remove!
1538033;1473402904;Framedragger;will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don't break; just that default links generated when clicking don't include the thing
1538034;1473408356;Framedragger;omg attempting https on trilema.com gives common name = server1.nigger.com, email = ssl@server1.nigger.com -- l0l0l.
1538035;1473408974;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#243 << mkay fix'd
1538036;1473408974;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-09: [06:35:04] <Framedragger> will make it so previous links on e.g. your site don't break; just that default links generated when clicking don't include the thing
1538037;1473418213;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform mod6 trinque et all : what would you think about adding a p2p client to V ? it'd be like a daemon which listens for connections from peers and maintains lists of pressables.
1538038;1473418278;mircea_popescu;we could make it work on udp, and initiate sessions through encrypting a large prime to the destination's key or some equivalent implementation, so we get to test alf's new-internet-order ideas also.
1538039;1473418800;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but to clarify : "one button" refers to the situation where the user already has a trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his taste. these are part of the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present.
1538040;1473418800;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24] <mod6> This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution.  Why?  A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
1538041;1473418836;mircea_popescu;"who are you ?" "i am my V and .sig machine" is a perfectly fine response.
1538042;1473419736;Framedragger;OT, http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/teach-a-man-to-fish
1538043;1473422723;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538037 << lel what has mircea_popescu been drinking...?
1538044;1473422723;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 10:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform mod6 trinque et all : what would you think about adding a p2p client to V ? it'd be like a daemon which listens for connections from peers and maintains lists of pressables.
1538045;1473422764;asciilifeform;why not also build it into not only gossipd but a shortwave antenna, a kalash, a cement mixer, stradivari, and van gogh...
1538046;1473422789;asciilifeform;a lynx, a manticore, a leucrota...
1538047;1473422867;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1538048;1473422983;asciilifeform;separation of concerns?
1538049;1473423000;asciilifeform;vs 'hang shit off side of rifle.'
1538050;1473423030;mircea_popescu;you don't live in emacs i take it ?
1538051;1473423053;asciilifeform;nope.
1538052;1473423067;asciilifeform;though i have at least one in front of me at all times
1538053;1473423086;asciilifeform;i've he panel wall, recall.
1538054;1473423096;asciilifeform;*the
1538055;1473423116;mircea_popescu;anyway. this "separation of concerns" objection would have a lot more meat on its imaginary bones if there actually eixsted any sort of gossipd. as there doesn't, the objection has no legs to stand on.
1538056;1473423121;Framedragger;why not have p2p client for stuff like this but which would be agnostic to internals of V, and separate from V? it can use V's .wot, tho
1538057;1473423122;mircea_popescu;the concerns can be separated... latger.
1538058;1473423139;mircea_popescu;Framedragger gotta start somewhere. but yes, you intuit correctly, that's where it's headed.
1538059;1473423185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if we crash over an island, and have no rifle, it is still unwise to bolt-shit-to-side of the imagined rifle we lack together.
1538060;1473423186;Framedragger;right. wonder if it's any harder to have the p2p part be separate. it can create a local mountpoint which would just be additional folders/files for V to process
1538061;1473423206;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well the whole point is to stop wondering.
1538062;1473423210;Framedragger;asciilifeform: also, talk about increased attack surface / complexity
1538063;1473423210;Framedragger;(but yes it's easy to criticize)
1538064;1473423225;mircea_popescu;most designs suffer a lot of changes when one tries to actually implement them, which is why prototypes exist in the first place.
1538065;1473423249;Framedragger;sure, true.
1538066;1473423258;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can't "bolt things" to items that do not exist.
1538067;1473423277;asciilifeform;i did propose that it might ALL come together in the end.
1538068;1473423285;asciilifeform;e.g., gossip and bitcoin.
1538069;1473423305;asciilifeform;not, i must add, as i proggy, but as system.
1538070;1473423310;mircea_popescu;still, you know - most everything extant today started life as a nodule on something else. nothing wrong with this in principle.
1538071;1473423316;asciilifeform;*1 prog
1538072;1473423349;mircea_popescu;eventually they separate, if they do, or the nodule dies off/gets resorbed in the main trunk, or the trunk dies off and the nodule continues it instead, or or or.
1538073;1473423415;mircea_popescu;certainly it is not contemplated here thatg anyone would be forced to run v to get gossipd. heck, i don't even believe such "forcing" would be in principle possible.
1538074;1473423585;asciilifeform;$s light cone
1538075;1473423586;a111;8 results for "light cone", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=light%20cone
1538076;1473423601;asciilifeform;i did draw this picture once, mircea_popescu .
1538077;1473423612;asciilifeform;and yes, it will happen.
1538078;1473423628;mircea_popescu;on a vapkin!
1538079;1473423641;asciilifeform;'find my light cone' is an inevitable knob of gossipd.
1538080;1473423660;*;shinohai wonders if asciilifeform has a binder full of napkin drawings in his lab
1538081;1473423688;mircea_popescu;well, the principal difference between gossipd-for-v and gossipd-proper is that v operates on signed matter exclusively ; gossipd-proper operates on unsigned matter exclusively.
1538082;1473423732;mircea_popescu;$up vivas82
1538083;1473423741;mircea_popescu;didja read shinohai 's guide vivas82 ?
1538084;1473423754;shinohai;!!up vivas82
1538085;1473423754;asciilifeform;a gossipd link of degree 1 ( 'private message' in mircea_popescu's version of the sketch ) operates on signed matter
1538086;1473423755;deedbot;vivas82 voiced for 30 minutes.
1538087;1473423772;mircea_popescu;if you sign something, there's no further degrees.
1538088;1473423780;mircea_popescu;third party can check a signature as well as you can.
1538089;1473423797;asciilifeform;third party doesn't see it
1538090;1473423819;mircea_popescu;this is not only a ridiculous hope, but contrary to design principle. the point of gossipd is that he sees.
1538091;1473423834;mircea_popescu;anyway. identity doesn't need signature to be checked. behold :
1538092;1473423846;vivas82;Thanks.
1538093;1473423850;mircea_popescu;!!rate deedbot 1 How are you gonna check it's really me, bitch ?
1538094;1473423852;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/lylkw/?raw=true
1538095;1473423889;asciilifeform;protocol vs promise.
1538096;1473423904;asciilifeform;only sig is actual protocol.
1538097;1473423921;mircea_popescu;a gossipd that requires me to sign anything is not to any degree interesting.
1538098;1473423939;mircea_popescu;i'll just continue using my current system, because such a gossipd would be an outrageous degradation of everything.
1538099;1473423971;asciilifeform;signs with station key, not royal key
1538100;1473423993;asciilifeform;or your packets are not distinguishable from cosmic noise from pov of my station.
1538101;1473423996;mircea_popescu;it quickly becomes dubious. because a signature permits a certain relationship. whereas gossipd rests on dubious relationships.
1538102;1473424005;mircea_popescu;yeah, they are. much like deedbot distinguishes above.
1538103;1473424043;asciilifeform;deedbot, as it lives on fleanode, is promisetronic.
1538104;1473424063;mircea_popescu;here's the handshake : syn -> 5db1fee4b5703808c48078a76768b155b421b210c0761cd6a5d223f4d99f1eaa -> 1337 -> ack.
1538105;1473424079;asciilifeform;could have been replaced with hitler's 5min ago .
1538106;1473424097;mircea_popescu;you're switching things. the point is that deedbot knows it is really me ; not vice-versa.
1538107;1473424125;asciilifeform;it - aha
1538108;1473424138;asciilifeform;because you decoded.
1538109;1473424139;mircea_popescu;so i signed nothing and yet IT (and only it) could know it was me. this is important.
1538110;1473424163;mircea_popescu;what's more important is that gossipd works like otp : "sure you can decrypt this text mr evil. WHAT would you like it to decrypt to ?"
1538111;1473424176;mircea_popescu;no "you can't decrypt it". but "you can decrypt it, of course. to anything you wish."|
1538112;1473424211;asciilifeform;rsa unfortunately does not give this.
1538113;1473424221;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/democratic-peoples-republic-of-best-korea-conducts-fifth-nuclear-test/ << Qntra - Democratic People's Republic Of Best Korea Conducts Fifth Nuclear Test
1538114;1473424227;mircea_popescu;it's my considered oppinion it does, if used as above.
1538115;1473424247;mircea_popescu;in any case rsa signatures are contrary to this, however.
1538116;1473424265;asciilifeform;only otp actually creates this effect.
1538117;1473424287;asciilifeform;an rsagram cannot 'decrypt to whatever you want'
1538118;1473424307;asciilifeform;its true key, should it ever turn up, is distinguishable from any other bitstring.
1538119;1473424318;mircea_popescu;the "decrypt to whatever you want" part is not about the rsagram itself, but about the structure of relationships.
1538120;1473424334;mircea_popescu;if you have signed matter, then definite things can be said. otherwise - you need a priest.
1538121;1473424339;mircea_popescu;and a priest will do whatever you want him to do.
1538122;1473424397;asciilifeform;i fully grasp what mircea_popescu wants to accomplish here, but it does not work with his stated mechanism.
1538123;1473424401;shinohai;Priests can withold absolution however
1538124;1473424430;mircea_popescu;you;ll have to go into detail bout that asciilifeform
1538125;1473424441;asciilifeform;didn't we do this before..
1538126;1473424461;mircea_popescu;shinohai we'rte talking from the pov of the lord not the pleb here. priest does exactly as told or else fucks goats in the receptive sense of the term.
1538127;1473424475;shinohai;>.<
1538128;1473424477;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently not profitably.
1538129;1473424544;asciilifeform;a working gossipd must combine two seemingly-contradictory features: 1) friend-or-foe identification on single packet - no such thing as ddos or replay remains possible -- 2) enemy on the wire can learn nothing about relation graph.
1538130;1473424589;mircea_popescu;except a working model of 1 is already both deployed and theoretically understood, as described above.
1538131;1473424613;asciilifeform;there are several ways to cut this knot, but thus far i am not satisfied with any
1538132;1473424646;mircea_popescu;understand, from the fact you observe deedbot has accepted my order you do not know anything other than that - to DEEDBOT it is acceptable. ie, you're uysing a priest. this is fine.
1538133;1473424646;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: deedbot is not a working model of 1packetron omfg
1538134;1473424660;mircea_popescu;how not ? again. syn -> 5db1fee4b5703808c48078a76768b155b421b210c0761cd6a5d223f4d99f1eaa -> 1337 -> ack.
1538135;1473424664;asciilifeform;it does NOT follow the nothing-to-allcomers principle.
1538136;1473424694;mircea_popescu;it does. because if it doesn't know me, it can't answer to my syn now can it.
1538137;1473424752;mircea_popescu;i'd say it's actually "nothing to all comers" guaranteedly, you can't break this even if you want to.
1538138;1473424757;asciilifeform;it could if you were both sybils today.
1538139;1473424773;mircea_popescu;wait what ? who "both"
1538140;1473424783;asciilifeform;both replaced with muppets.
1538141;1473424794;asciilifeform;deedbot and mircea_popescu in this example.
1538142;1473424798;mircea_popescu;a network between a and b who have BOTH been replaced ?
1538143;1473424800;mircea_popescu;this is lulzy.
1538144;1473424808;asciilifeform;from my pov.
1538145;1473424823;mircea_popescu;ah, with an invariant c. so how do you break it ? or what ?
1538146;1473424836;asciilifeform;what's there to break?
1538147;1473424883;mircea_popescu;i just dunno what you're saying starting 8 lines ago. "<asciilifeform> it could if you were both sybils today."
1538148;1473424892;asciilifeform;but, to briefly rewind, there are two wholly separate concerns here and should be drawn separately.
1538149;1473424953;asciilifeform;one is to banish mosquitoes from the atmosphere. for which -- single-packet 'man or mosquito' litmus is required.
1538150;1473424981;asciilifeform;other - is the mechanism described in mircea_popescu's sketch.
1538151;1473424995;mircea_popescu;do this again and do it properly, without reference.
1538152;1473425007;asciilifeform;which
1538153;1473425029;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> but, to briefly rewind,  << and following. static linking, not dynamic linking. your "the mechanism described in mircea_popescu's sketch." symbol is not acceptabru.
1538154;1473425061;asciilifeform;what, lel, let's restate whole thing..?
1538155;1473425068;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#343 << isn't the reason it's currently able to do that (send otps to check) is because it's not interesting enough so parties flood it with bogus requests and generally DoS it to shreds?
1538156;1473425068;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-09: [12:36:29] <mircea_popescu> except a working model of 1 is already both deployed and theoretically understood, as described above.
1538157;1473425069;Framedragger;hence why http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#346
1538158;1473425070;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-09: [12:37:26] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: deedbot is not a working model of 1packetron omfg
1538159;1473425086;asciilifeform;Framedragger has it.
1538160;1473425116;mircea_popescu;in a word, no.
1538161;1473425131;mircea_popescu;how would you send otps to check to a person you don't know ?
1538162;1473425148;mircea_popescu;it does currently extend the courtesy of replying to unknowns, but this is not required.
1538163;1473425193;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes restate the whole thing. apparently there's a knot somewhere.
1538164;1473425193;asciilifeform;enemy controls not only fleanode but most large isp, so it can send whatever string wherever.
1538165;1473425199;mircea_popescu;so ?
1538166;1473425200;Framedragger;ah, you mean that it could restrict sending challenges to gpg identities that it *already* knows about (l1 / l2 / whatever)?
1538167;1473425209;mircea_popescu;you still can't answer, for lack of a way to form your answer.
1538168;1473425217;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i mean it already does this lol. necessarily.
1538169;1473425226;mircea_popescu;how would it send a challende encrypted to a key it does not have ?
1538170;1473425230;asciilifeform;so it is trivial exercise to determine where deedbot lives and - at least - syn flood it.
1538171;1473425251;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: pull the key. which it effectively does with the `register` command
1538172;1473425254;asciilifeform;syn flood is challenge enough, because tcp is braindamaged.
1538173;1473425264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is an orthogonal concern which entirely does not belong in this discussion.
1538174;1473425268;*;Framedragger contemplates a PoC `register` attack on deedbot
1538175;1473425272;mircea_popescu;Framedragger but it dfoesn't HAVE to do that.
1538176;1473425281;asciilifeform;it is unfortunately not (yet) a separable concern.
1538177;1473425282;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sure, that i admit.
1538178;1473425286;mircea_popescu;just because owner currently automated a hole into the ship doesn't mean that hole doesn't come with a pre-made hatch.
1538179;1473425346;asciilifeform;see, right now we have 'cheat' in the sense that fleanode allows mircea_popescu to manually control access to deedbot .
1538180;1473425358;Framedragger;then the argument does admittedly slide a little: yes okay, this is great that it can't be DoS'd that easily when the time comes; and yet it still has to parse multiple packets before it determines that hey, i don't know this fingerprint.
1538181;1473425370;mircea_popescu;why multiple ?
1538182;1473425372;asciilifeform;it could easily stop tomorrow.
1538183;1473425377;mircea_popescu;"syn".
1538184;1473425407;asciilifeform;Framedragger seems to grasp my line of thought.
1538185;1473425436;mircea_popescu;what, you want him to represent you nao ?
1538186;1473425496;Framedragger;hm there *is* https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7413 for "send data in packet with syn flag already", in truth; haven't touched it tho
1538187;1473425508;asciilifeform;i dun expect other folks to do my work in my place, no.
1538188;1473425524;mircea_popescu;Framedragger aha.
1538189;1473425544;asciilifeform;Framedragger: tcp is evil.
1538190;1473425559;mircea_popescu;sure ; also kinda besides teh point.
1538191;1473425561;asciilifeform;even if you stuff crypto sig into packet1
1538192;1473425568;Framedragger;is rfc7413 even supported by any tcp stack tho? (inb4 all tcp stacks must die!1 [not disagreeing in principle])
1538193;1473425574;mircea_popescu;(not to mention - you brought it up, entirely ungermane to the discussion, so you can't now detrimentally rely on it.)
1538194;1473425575;asciilifeform;it still has plaintext seq nums
1538195;1473425575;Framedragger;suresure.
1538196;1473425583;asciilifeform;and unsigned terminations
1538197;1473425590;asciilifeform;and ergo must die.
1538198;1473425691;asciilifeform;let's briefly gedankenexperiment:
1538199;1473425699;asciilifeform;say we gotta leave fleanode.
1538200;1473425710;asciilifeform;because it, say, burns down at last.
1538201;1473425738;mircea_popescu;how about we don't mix discussions of prototyping with discussion of random opsec challenges.
1538202;1473425738;asciilifeform;sketch the parachute here plox
1538203;1473425753;mircea_popescu;nobody afaik starts discussion of new car model with "Suppose the islamists invade our plant"
1538204;1473425772;mircea_popescu;what, you're going to make a tank ? "new from mercedes. six gun ports."
1538205;1473425788;asciilifeform;this digression is unfortunately needed. because it exposes the point i was making earlier.
1538206;1473425804;asciilifeform;fleanode gives us a cheap plastic imitation of gossipd currently.
1538207;1473425806;mircea_popescu;if we have to leave freenode before gossipd is ready we'll reimplement ircd.
1538208;1473425818;asciilifeform;reimplement in what sense ?
1538209;1473425844;mircea_popescu;in the sense of how we implemented log bots that work, on the basis of whatever was there before, which apparently didn't work, or at least didn't work as well or w/e.
1538210;1473425881;asciilifeform;and it will run on what? six dudes' servers ?
1538211;1473425893;mircea_popescu;no, you must be thinking of freenode.
1538212;1473425904;mircea_popescu;which, literally, six dude's servers, half of which provided by nsa.
1538213;1473425909;asciilifeform;whose locations will somehow remain unknown to enemy, hdds - unstolen , packets - unmangled ?
1538214;1473425929;mircea_popescu;we'll just use our servers in ft meade, what.
1538215;1473425950;mircea_popescu;get some of that lulzy "we know it's here but we can't turn it off because red tape" bonus going on.
1538216;1473425968;asciilifeform;i admit that i always liked that part.
1538217;1473425985;asciilifeform;though iirc this was in another mircea_popescutronic production
1538218;1473425992;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/industria-argentina-or-my-life-among-the-tribal-savages/ << Trilema - Industria Argentina, or my life among the tribal savages.
1538219;1473426022;*;asciilifeform digs in hungrily 
1538220;1473426025;mircea_popescu;but all this stuff aside, back to the important point here : the "gossipd-like" thing contemplated for moving signed material (ie, v stuff) around is very much a different beast from the actual gossipd, which doesn't work on signed material ; presumably doesn't work on tcp etc.
1538221;1473426047;mircea_popescu;now, taking a tiny incremental step by providing redundancy for v while at the same time trying a udp implementation si a very sensible move at this juncture.
1538222;1473426051;mircea_popescu;at least, it so appears to me.
1538223;1473426067;mircea_popescu;(redundancy for v - meant strictly in the sense of, an alternative to moving tarball by hand)
1538224;1473426072;PeterL;what keeps you from moving a signed message thorugh gossipd?
1538225;1473426078;asciilifeform;^
1538226;1473426082;mircea_popescu;that i don't intend to sign anything.
1538227;1473426092;Framedragger;semi-orthogonal (but not too orthogonal): ditching the conceptual level for a second and thinking about mundane reality, would a new transport layer even *work* given current internet infrastructure? there are problems with ICMP traffic on some ISPs (sure, ISPs should die anyway, and esp. those i hear you say.) this can be tested to some extent, hm.
1538228;1473426111;mircea_popescu;signatgures have their utility. they have been (perhaps deliberately, in any case stupidly) misused by the usg.cypherpunk "movement".
1538229;1473426119;Framedragger;s/transport layer/transport layer protocol/
1538230;1473426125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you signed vpatch. can as readily broadcast it via gossip as via fleanode etc.
1538231;1473426129;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i dunno, it's pretty nebulous
1538232;1473426134;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform vpatch, yes. this line, no.
1538233;1473426145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha
1538234;1473426179;mircea_popescu;it's not that i'm against signatures or anything of the sort. it's just that i understand their domain. an item is signed when the auctorial intention is "for this to stand now and forever to any and all who may come".
1538235;1473426184;mircea_popescu;this is pointedly not what gossipd does.
1538236;1473426185;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu-signed vpatch can be made known over whatever medium. shortwave, if he likes.
1538237;1473426232;mircea_popescu;gossipd does "for friends ears only". and the only way to make sure that can't happen, si by signing things. because once signed, they're definitionally for everyone equally well.
1538238;1473426246;mircea_popescu;in short, i oppose the socially destructuring, anti elitist and equalitarian nature of signatures.
1538239;1473426311;asciilifeform;much of what i've been doing in the mathematics room for past year has been to try to give this frying pan a handle.
1538240;1473426323;asciilifeform;yes, pan is hot. and hand - made of meat.
1538241;1473426352;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1538242;1473426365;Framedragger;btw wouldn't "nothing signed" gossipd reality actually be not "only among chosen clique" but rather "only chosen among clique [so, okay, not for all] plus whoever listens to internet backbone including all teh agencies"?
1538243;1473426393;Framedragger;(i am aware that proper gossipd doesn't have to run over internet)
1538244;1473426394;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if you're not connected, how do you distinguish what was said from what might have been said from what wasn't actually said ?
1538245;1473426416;mircea_popescu;that's the otp-likeness contemplated, you know the place where this is discussed in the logs ?
1538246;1473426419;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: statistical models? sure, no *guarantee*.
1538247;1473426430;Framedragger;i think i actually remember it
1538248;1473426433;mircea_popescu;statistical models only work on statistical data. ie, flat.
1538249;1473426438;mircea_popescu;this isn't flat.
1538250;1473426458;mircea_popescu;it may be flattenable, and a large part of what we'll be doing is explore those graphs etc, but atm this is premature, we don't even have a prototype.
1538251;1473426494;mircea_popescu;(note however that "statistical models" are so horrible in doing simple things such as "election outcome" prediction as to not lend much credence to this theory.)
1538252;1473426523;Framedragger;maybe. and i agree that without prototype difficult to talk of this anyway
1538253;1473426546;mircea_popescu;but, importantly, statistics works on datapoints - which are each as much a datapoint as all the others ! this is major.
1538254;1473426569;mircea_popescu;in fact, it's even aware of this ; and it has some (primitive, axe hewn) methods to use the proper space to "improve" its data
1538255;1473426599;mircea_popescu;for instance by rejecting outliers in a set. what you're doing then, in proper terms, is saying "since we have all this space left in the hierarchy cube, how about we use it to improve the dataset while still pretending it's just a sheet"
1538256;1473426615;mircea_popescu;so you take a few points out.
1538257;1473426832;Framedragger;yes this is lulzy and a disservice and i agree the reputation is not insanely great.., so to speak.
1538258;1473426839;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: how about i (an nsa employee, say) just make a filter which grabs all observed gossipd traffic (packet timing or w/e, and if it's an actually new transmission protocol, then supreme joy is me) and send it for further analysis. i shall assume that while it's not certain which messages are legit and which are not, the offending t3rr0rist group is too lazy to transmit proper false positives to provide noise,
1538259;1473426840;Framedragger; besides, they'd get confused themselves, what with deliberately no message authenticity; and we shall have a good time.  am i stretching here?
1538260;1473426881;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so you do everyone the favour of taking out the lazy "terrorist" groups ? thank you ?
1538261;1473426888;mircea_popescu;the point here isn't to make idiots more powerful.
1538262;1473426939;mircea_popescu;i dunno when or why the prevailing notion of "software" and "technology", at least in english and its dominions, became "it is for to make ordinary people (ie, rank imbeciles) like gods!"
1538263;1473426945;Framedragger;and gossipd without any auth whatsoever wouldn't really be that? in all honesty, i should reread the spec, which is probably outdated, and log search sucks, fml
1538264;1473426955;mircea_popescu;it... isn't. it fucking isn't. the point of technology is the complete and utter oppression of idiots.
1538265;1473426966;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: probably when the prometeus dude stole the fire?
1538266;1473426974;asciilifeform;was when.
1538267;1473426987;mircea_popescu;not really. there's no record that he went and gave it to retards.
1538268;1473426994;asciilifeform;'ooh, fire, now we are godz!1111'
1538269;1473426994;Framedragger;(or so the myth is interpreted anyway right?)
1538270;1473427000;mircea_popescu;on the contrary - he stole it to the sort of retards who'd pick the large pile of bones skins and fat
1538271;1473427011;mircea_popescu;and gave it to the smart guys who tohught to pile all the meat in the smalelr pile.
1538272;1473427021;mircea_popescu;zeus is not remarkably smart, you know.
1538273;1473427039;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so the myth was reinterpreted, by later imbeciles, who don't even speak greek.
1538274;1473427058;Framedragger;true that. goes the extra way to fuck women, metamorphosis and all, so i'll give him that tho
1538275;1473427065;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: true..
1538276;1473427072;mircea_popescu;but anyway - the greek idea of gods doesn't have them as a sort of christian deity, omnipotent, all wise etc. it's not fucking allah.
1538277;1473427099;mircea_popescu;it's zeus, a sort of nero, the overpowerful lucky bastard.
1538278;1473427137;asciilifeform;this is kindergarten material - does anyone really misconceive zeus et al as 'allahs' ?!
1538279;1473427155;mircea_popescu;well apparently you jus' did, above ?
1538280;1473427160;asciilifeform;mno?
1538281;1473427168;mircea_popescu;anyway. prometeus stole from the dumb to give to the smart.
1538282;1473427176;mircea_popescu;which is exactly as it should be.
1538283;1473427187;mircea_popescu;obv, the dumb had something to steal the smart wanted. there'd be no story otherwise.
1538284;1473427188;asciilifeform;my point was that human tards also got fire.
1538285;1473427193;mircea_popescu;not originally.
1538286;1473427206;mircea_popescu;human tards wondered about greek fire for 12 centuries.
1538287;1473427255;asciilifeform;btw recall how turks captured intact and fueled-up siphons and went wtf ?
1538288;1473427260;mircea_popescu;aha
1538289;1473427279;asciilifeform;i always wondered
1538290;1473427298;asciilifeform;evidently there was something more to it than cranking the pump.
1538291;1473427340;mircea_popescu;yeah. "not being an imbecile".
1538292;1473427343;asciilifeform;even ww2 flamethrowers had tricky ignition.
1538293;1473427353;asciilifeform;it is the mega-problem of the item.
1538294;1473427356;mircea_popescu;the principal limit is in people's heads, not in the fucking reality surroundant.
1538295;1473427374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what also is tricky ? anal sex.
1538296;1473427377;mircea_popescu;they figured that out.
1538297;1473427398;asciilifeform;what's the trick?
1538298;1473427503;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538218 << btw i can tell from mircea_popescu's photo why it exploded.
1538299;1473427503;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 12:59 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/industria-argentina-or-my-life-among-the-tribal-savages/ << Trilema - Industria Argentina, or my life among the tribal savages.
1538300;1473427523;mircea_popescu;tell ?
1538301;1473427526;asciilifeform;should i give it away, or did he already find the key that opens this chest.
1538302;1473427541;mircea_popescu;i expect poor insulation.
1538303;1473427545;asciilifeform;still got that beheaded wire?
1538304;1473427548;mircea_popescu;yeah
1538305;1473427558;asciilifeform;is it solid or stranded?
1538306;1473427564;asciilifeform;looks solid to me
1538307;1473427582;mircea_popescu;very thin stranded
1538308;1473427597;mircea_popescu;but sure, perfectly possible it narrowed over time
1538309;1473427600;asciilifeform;works same.
1538310;1473427614;asciilifeform;btw wire breaks, not as folks naively assume, from fatigue
1538311;1473427621;asciilifeform;it breaks from work hardening.
1538312;1473427647;mircea_popescu;point remains this is one of the most basic items of civilisation. it's been gotten right by most cultures throughout the many decades.
1538313;1473427649;asciilifeform;becomes brittle, like lathe cutter.
1538314;1473427653;mircea_popescu;except by these despicable monkeys.
1538315;1473427680;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i will inform you with great joy that apple power adapters die in this identical manner.
1538316;1473427685;asciilifeform;without exception.
1538317;1473427695;asciilifeform;and for past decade+.
1538318;1473427701;mircea_popescu;i never contested apple's a fucking zoo.
1538319;1473427735;asciilifeform;they have replaceable mains ends though, so the death happens on the low voltage dc side.
1538320;1473427744;asciilifeform;but looks quite the same.
1538321;1473427836;asciilifeform;and i mist dispute that 'others got right'. the ~correct~ wire for an item like this is ~coiled~ like old telephone cord. and is afaik available nowhere.
1538322;1473427844;mircea_popescu;nobody asks you to use the cheapest fucking potmetal you can find.
1538323;1473427850;asciilifeform;i was trying just the other week to buy for my cnc motors.
1538324;1473427853;asciilifeform;cannot be had.
1538325;1473427857;asciilifeform;at any price.
1538326;1473427879;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't the shitmetal in this case.
1538327;1473427889;asciilifeform;you need sane geometry.
1538328;1473427904;asciilifeform;avoid kink radius.
1538329;1473427909;mircea_popescu;sure, sure. a proper alloy saves you from shitty geometry, but you can't use zamac.
1538330;1473427930;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wire is silver-coloured ?
1538331;1473427938;asciilifeform;hard to see on photo
1538332;1473427941;mircea_popescu;lulzy intro : ro construction codes throughout fully banned aluminum wiring, to the point they'd hang you.
1538333;1473427953;mircea_popescu;this went away. about the time the idiot us-style builders moved in.
1538334;1473427957;mircea_popescu;now they want to mandate sprinklers.
1538335;1473427959;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: even in usa they banned
1538336;1473427970;mircea_popescu;lemme cut that thing up
1538337;1473428012;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also i must sadly point out that aluminum wire is a forced mistake -- copper price.
1538338;1473428024;asciilifeform;it will come back into the habitations of poorfags
1538339;1473428039;asciilifeform;inevitably. it'll be it -- or candlelight.
1538340;1473428060;Framedragger;[OT just for the record, it seems that rfc 7413 ("tcp fast open") won't do any good because (lo and behold) not only would it not save against syn floods, it'd actually introduce new attacks (2.2 and beyond). and existing mitigation techniques may not work. gotta love those people. yeah, fuck tcp.]
1538341;1473428105;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not only tcp, but the horse it rode in on. whole thing must burn.
1538342;1473428134;Framedragger;[like, *of course* the only reason we want a spec which allows for data in initial syn packet is for shitphones to be able to load google ads quicker. use for security???! nowai]
1538343;1473428158;asciilifeform;tcp has no future, Framedragger .
1538344;1473428174;asciilifeform;shoot it in the head, pour cement.
1538345;1473428179;Framedragger;asciilifeform: that's what i'm worried about, you may have to burn IP, too. and i'm all up for mesh networks and post nuclear radio, but kinda sucks that the whole internet backbone may be incompatible with proper gossipd, gotta admit.
1538346;1473428200;asciilifeform;Framedragger: backbone is usable to the extent it can simulate radio.
1538347;1473428211;asciilifeform;i.e. connectionless passing of data.
1538348;1473428222;Framedragger;good perspective, i guess
1538349;1473428236;asciilifeform;where the source and destination are not known to one another spatially.
1538350;1473428244;PeterL;asciilifeform don't you know the future is wireless power? We won't need all this copper running through our houses once we make the *tech breakthrough*!
1538351;1473428302;Framedragger;just use apple's bluetooth earwaxphones
1538352;1473428305;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/argentina-is-populated-by-subhuman-monkeyspawn-4.jpg
1538353;1473428309;asciilifeform;PeterL: funnily enough, the tallow candle is wireless device, so the imbeciles ~will~ get their wish.
1538354;1473428321;mircea_popescu;oddly enough, they even went to the problem of copper-colouring it.
1538355;1473428348;asciilifeform;looks like copper from here.
1538356;1473428354;PeterL;and if you buy cheapo beef, there is lots of fat drippings to make candles with!
1538357;1473428358;mircea_popescu;it doesn't fucking behave like copper.
1538358;1473428387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: copper with no strain relief will harden and snap just like any other metal.
1538359;1473428441;mircea_popescu;try doing this in practice with pure elemental copper.
1538360;1473428472;asciilifeform;they dun sell elemental metals at the metal yard.
1538361;1473428481;mircea_popescu;so shitty alloy. which is the point.
1538362;1473428482;asciilifeform;~useless
1538363;1473428508;mircea_popescu;also, pure coper comes native, if you live in a land that doesn't suck you can just get yourself a chunk from the local cave.
1538364;1473428528;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is posting from time warp or wat.
1538365;1473428535;asciilifeform;the surface copper is gone.
1538366;1473428543;mircea_popescu;live in better places!
1538367;1473428553;asciilifeform;antarctica?
1538368;1473428560;mircea_popescu;altearthia.
1538369;1473428591;asciilifeform;hyperborea.
1538370;1473428592;mircea_popescu;or you know, bolivia.
1538371;1473428615;asciilifeform;i thought only elemental cocaine comes out of the ground there!
1538372;1473428668;mircea_popescu;gotta smoke it out of something...
1538373;1473428681;mircea_popescu;!~google cora-cora
1538374;1473428682;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Cora Cora Restaurant: <http://www.coraperu.com/home.html>; Cora Cora - 193 Photos & 143 Reviews - Latin American - 162 ...: <https://www.yelp.com/biz/cora-cora-west-hartford>; Cora Cora Restaurant | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/Cora-Cora-Restaurant-129413390878/>
1538375;1473428687;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1538376;1473428690;mircea_popescu;!~google coro-coro
1538377;1473428691;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: CoroCoro Comic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoroCoro_Comic>; # corocoro hashtag on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/hashtag/corocoro>; Saturday: Pokémon Sun & Moon - CoroCoro Reveals + Zygarde ...: <http://www.serebii.net/news/2016/11-June-2016.shtml>
1538378;1473428695;mircea_popescu;ffs.
1538379;1473428702;mircea_popescu;it was something like this, uruk speak.
1538380;1473428745;asciilifeform;viruviru?
1538381;1473428751;mircea_popescu;nah lessee
1538382;1473428803;mircea_popescu;http://www.minclassics.com/cups810.php << here we go.
1538383;1473428827;thestringpuller;Framedragger: just use apple's bluetooth earwaxphones << Glad I'm not the only one who discovered despite who clean I try to keep the headphones. Earwax gunks up into the metal screens and inevitably fucks up the sound.
1538384;1473428879;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: clean with flux remover.
1538385;1473428884;asciilifeform;dry in the sun.
1538386;1473428900;mircea_popescu;earflux!
1538387;1473428979;asciilifeform;'Lastly, it must be noted that there hasn't been any significant amount of these specimens on the market in approximately 25 years, and they are often only found in old collections.  Recently I was informed that a Korean mining company has started a large commercial operation at Corocoro, specifically mining for Copper, leaving little possibility that more of these specimens will available in the future, or at least until the mining op
1538388;1473428983;asciilifeform;i did say.
1538389;1473429022;mircea_popescu;aww
1538390;1473429057;asciilifeform;junkyard planet.
1538391;1473429068;asciilifeform;the new mines.
1538392;1473429149;mircea_popescu;in related news http://67.media.tumblr.com/12d82141a575dd183610da2c61886cf4/tumblr_njgwd4kuzi1scqgdto5_1280.jpg ; or i suppose http://66.media.tumblr.com/6f7147815385acbf1003d4029965f442/tumblr_njgwd4kuzi1scqgdto4_1280.jpg
1538393;1473429151;mircea_popescu;can't quite decide.
1538394;1473429340;asciilifeform;how did mircea_popescu even pick up this kink
1538395;1473429353;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1538396;1473429375;asciilifeform;the 'black deflorators' thing or what was it
1538397;1473429400;asciilifeform;so 18th c.
1538398;1473429403;mircea_popescu;how is it my kink ? i'm not the one living on the planet without copper deposits!
1538399;1473429435;mircea_popescu;though i suppose it should be a bunch of tiny azn dicks rather than one big one... hm...
1538400;1473429581;asciilifeform;dunno, when folks post pr0nz i generally picture that it exemplifies what gets them going. or at least isnt wholly unappetizing. then again we also have BingoBoingo's material.
1538401;1473429616;asciilifeform;so i have monumentally nfi.
1538402;1473429624;PeterL;I feel like BingoBoingo has not posted anything in a while ...
1538403;1473429655;asciilifeform;PeterL: perhaps he finally quit reddit
1538404;1473429663;asciilifeform;this is a healthy thing
1538405;1473429822;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1lmV
1538406;1473429822;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1538407;1473430019;asciilifeform;in other noose, koch rolled out his 'wks' turd, http://www.golem.de/news/web-key-service-openpgp-schluessel-ueber-https-verteilen-1609-123194.html
1538408;1473430233;thestringpuller;there no news mr. PeterL
1538409;1473430275;thestringpuller;well fat news*
1538410;1473430640;mod6;Good news from lastnight: Was able to do some polishing and wrench turning to get the makefiles to utilize the pressed source in src/
1538411;1473430670;mod6;Will have some more to report on in a few days. Salud!
1538412;1473430685;asciilifeform;neato mod6
1538413;1473430737;mod6;o7
1538414;1473431321;mod6;interesting convo this am re: gossipd & v
1538415;1473431430;asciilifeform;mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys.
1538416;1473431442;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160909/#23 << yes mod6 but to clarify : "one button" refers to the situation where the user already has a trusted copy of V, and a .sig directory populated as per his taste. these are part of the definition of identity, and going forward can and should be assumed present. <<  Sounds fair.  Thanks for outlining this.
1538417;1473431442;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-09: [00:55:24] <mod6> This hypothetical solution, even if it does work, wouldn't make it a one-button-push solution.  Why?  A person would need to get V + V.sig, verify, create a .wot dir, sync the patches + seals, manually or automatically, press the tree, then navigate into the pressed tree, and then `make`.
1538418;1473431451;asciilifeform;~how~ to do this in a protocolic (rather than promisetronic) way, is another matter.
1538419;1473431469;asciilifeform;but machines receiving, and responding to, packet matter signed by NO ONE, has NO future.
1538420;1473431607;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538037 << lel what has mircea_popescu been drinking...? << It is an intersting thought; a distributed V, which rails against the complaints of "omfg another centralized piece of equipment!!11"
1538421;1473431607;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 10:50 mircea_popescu: incidentally asciilifeform mod6 trinque et all : what would you think about adding a p2p client to V ? it'd be like a daemon which listens for connections from peers and maintains lists of pressables.
1538422;1473431637;asciilifeform;v as it presently exists (at least in my prototype) is 100% decentralized.
1538423;1473431648;mod6;indeed.
1538424;1473431689;mod6;and mine can be used, 100% in the same way.  im not even sure that i fully agree that mine should do what it does. you and I both, seperately have wrestled with this thought.
1538425;1473431725;mod6;V has a future.  interesting to think about where it may go from here.
1538426;1473431796;mod6;someday, when we have a tmsr cryptolib & rsa-o-matic, maybe we can starting building a gossipd prototype.
1538427;1473431874;shinohai;mircea_popescu may have inhaled toxic black smoke from poorly manufactured Argentine electronics mod6
1538428;1473431904;mod6;.ar does fab?
1538429;1473431906;mod6;lol
1538430;1473431916;mod6;oh wait, forgot about the wonky-fan
1538431;1473431941;shinohai;see >>> http://trilema.com/2016/industria-argentina-or-my-life-among-the-tribal-savages/
1538432;1473431965;mod6;yeah, forgot about that. anyway, i appreciate interesting ideas.
1538433;1473432024;mod6;a lot of new questions and discussions will arise once someone starts to prototype gossipd out.
1538434;1473432103;shinohai;I agree with trinque tho that V has a place in /usr/bin/local of the future
1538435;1473432122;mod6;well, indeed, if it continues to be useful and oft used.
1538436;1473432130;mod6;i need more coffee.
1538437;1473432703;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys. << so to clairify this a bit, at least for myself, the gossipd node that I run and operate would verify transmissions sent to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key?
1538438;1473432798;mod6;maybe...
1538439;1473432813;mod6;i don't want to disagree with what I just said here: <+mod6> a lot of new questions and discussions will arise once someone starts to prototype gossipd out.
1538440;1473432854;mod6;but, maybe the first step, to recognize Framedragger, is to update the spec.  there has been much discussion about this, and maybe I'm having a hard time keeping all of the details in my head.
1538441;1473432873;mircea_popescu;how's work mod6 ?
1538442;1473432901;mod6;boring.
1538443;1473432923;mircea_popescu;that's its job!
1538444;1473432933;shinohai;I take it your female java shadow isn't there?
1538445;1473432944;mod6;haha. indeed, hopefully will rid myself of these labors someday soon.
1538446;1473432955;mod6;shinohai: yup.
1538447;1473432985;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, is there such a thing as a gossipd spec even ? what's the current canonical version ?
1538448;1473433020;mircea_popescu;the two year old http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ ?
1538449;1473433026;mod6;i'd have to dig it up, but i thought there was a trilema that outlined the 'spec' back a while ago.
1538450;1473433031;mod6;yah that, maybe.
1538451;1473433041;mircea_popescu;ok this is pretty scandalous.
1538452;1473433061;mircea_popescu;ima publish an updated thing, at least give discussion some sort of basis that's not 19 months out of date.
1538453;1473433102;mod6;very much appreciated, and my apologies if the original is still on point.
1538454;1473433259;mircea_popescu;marginally at best.
1538455;1473433325;mod6;more than anything, i just want to be able to contribue a bit better to these gossipd discussions - which will be a vital part of the infrastructure.
1538456;1473433332;mod6;thanks mircea_popescu
1538457;1473433347;phf;we had a thread about it two weeks ago, where the conclusion was that gossipd as written in the only available spec has all kinds of problems and shouldn't be implemented/used
1538458;1473433391;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1538459;1473433401;mircea_popescu;(i just wrote that lol)
1538460;1473433433;mod6;phf: ah, indeed then, we should rework it with what we've since discussed and rethought since 2015 or whenever, and see if a prototyping process can begin.
1538461;1473433481;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529660 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529832
1538462;1473433481;a111;Logged on 2016-08-26 13:34 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-26#1529651 << ~tcp~ is evil, and i will kill it with my own hands. at least in the sense where i killed, e.g., git.
1538463;1473433481;a111;Logged on 2016-08-26 15:26 phf: btw is it possible to chosen-ciphertext attack gpg if it were to sit on the wire?
1538464;1473433607;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538426 << phf has own, and i have, and possibly other folks. but there remain unsolved problems.
1538465;1473433607;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 14:36 mod6: someday, when we have a tmsr cryptolib & rsa-o-matic, maybe we can starting building a gossipd prototype.
1538466;1473433654;mod6;huh, alright.
1538467;1473433655;asciilifeform;( and if i were satisfied that the problems are even ~separable~, i would not call them problems )
1538468;1473433756;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538437 << think of the current separation between ~people~ and ~geography~.
1538469;1473433756;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 14:51 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: the correct pill is to decouple (at least from enemy's pov) gossip station keys from royal keys. << so to clairify this a bit, at least for myself, the gossipd node that I run and operate would verify transmissions sent to it with mod6-battlestation-key, but when I would actually go to send something out it would sign with mod6 "royal" or "personal" key?
1538470;1473433774;asciilifeform;there is 'mod6' and 'castle of mod6'.
1538471;1473433791;asciilifeform;simply because something was said in the castle of mod6 , does not mean that it was he who said it.
1538472;1473433807;asciilifeform;what i've referred to as 'station key' is simply a nonspoofable substitute for the ip address.
1538473;1473433838;asciilifeform;and nowhere is it mandated that a station has only a sole key
1538474;1473433839;mod6;ah, alright.
1538475;1473433859;phf;(that idea is actually introduced in original gossip spec, but it's not obvious without rereading relevant bits a few times that it allows you to have secondary key
1538476;1473433859;asciilifeform;for so long as other stations can reliably communicate with it amidst arbitrary levels of enemy shitflooding
1538477;1473433876;phf;)
1538478;1473433893;asciilifeform;phf: aha, the 'for' item.
1538479;1473433937;asciilifeform;it is unfortunately also one of the weak points in mircea_popescu's original sketch, as an enemy who turns up a 'for' binding signature can make an attribution of station ownership.
1538480;1473433943;mod6;and i suppose this makes it easier to swap out the station key and retain the royal key.
1538481;1473433946;asciilifeform;that is, can infer a link between a station key and royal key.
1538482;1473433992;asciilifeform;mod6: no lord in his right mind would connect his royal key to a machine that emits signed material autonomously.
1538483;1473434008;asciilifeform;(or deciphers autonomously)
1538484;1473434032;asciilifeform;this is kindergarten material.
1538485;1473434045;mod6;right.  i think this whole topic is totally over my head these days.
1538486;1473434067;mod6;i better reread all of this stuff :/
1538487;1473434087;asciilifeform;mod6: presently it is a machine which contains a box labeled ???, which is the answer to a mathematical problem.
1538488;1473434095;asciilifeform;(attribution 'for us but not for them'.)
1538489;1473434129;asciilifeform;whereas 'attribution for no one' is the current net and whoever wants it, already has it.
1538490;1473434144;asciilifeform;and it is doomed to sybilatronic heat death.
1538491;1473434452;asciilifeform;earlier in thread, mircea_popescu pointed out - correctly - that signature is not the only form of cryptoauthentication, and that there is also challenge-response, a la deedbot etc.
1538492;1473434463;asciilifeform;but challenge-response requires 2way comms.
1538493;1473434472;asciilifeform;and violates the principle of nothing-to-allcomers.
1538494;1473434519;asciilifeform;(if all-comer can get a challenge, this not only makes you ddosable tcp-style, but turns your gossip net into a ddosatron weapon for any idiot who can get spoofed packets into it)
1538495;1473434522;asciilifeform;ntp-style.
1538496;1473434572;asciilifeform;and anyone who - like mircea_popescu earlier - states that 'but all-comer will ~not~ be able to request a challenge' is stuck explaining why not.
1538497;1473434609;asciilifeform;('because he does not know the ip to ask' is an idiot answer. you don't even need to be at ft meade, Framedragger's scanner could easily be modified to send a challenge req to entire ipv4 space every couple of hours.)
1538498;1473434648;asciilifeform;enemy must NOT have the ability to determine that an arbitrary ip contains a gossip node.
1538499;1473434666;asciilifeform;*determine whether
1538500;1473434715;asciilifeform;this is the basic nothing-to-allcomers principle. for wot - everything. for rando - NOTHING. not even 'challenge packet' or whatever.
1538501;1473434736;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538451 << it's good you acknowledge that, 'cause very time i want to point out "where's your $spec for $x guyz" i feel kinda shit 'cause i should do more, myself. which is a point. and yet the scandalocity remains!
1538502;1473434736;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 14:57 mircea_popescu: ok this is pretty scandalous.
1538503;1473434745;Framedragger;every*
1538504;1473434938;asciilifeform;a correctly-operating gossiptron must not be distinguishable from an unplugged cord , to anyone not in its peerage.
1538505;1473435936;mod6;asciilifeform: ah, ok.
1538506;1473435939;mod6;i follow.
1538507;1473436013;mod6;i'll have to reread all of this stuff; i have difficulty with a mental model of this.  but i do follow the detail points.
1538508;1473436037;mod6;the whole picture tho; need the whole picture
1538509;1473436043;mod6;i'll work on that.
1538510;1473436080;mod6;i apparently need to read your blog more, at least, on the specifics of lisp-cpu via verilog & fpga
1538511;1473436093;asciilifeform;fortunately this is not related to gossipd...
1538512;1473436144;mod6;yah, totally a different ball of wax.
1538513;1473436177;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ << plox to comment.
1538514;1473436187;*;asciilifeform digs in.
1538515;1473436190;*;mod6 looks
1538516;1473436331;mod6;<+shinohai> see >>> http://trilema.com/2016/industria-argentina-or-my-life-among-the-tribal-savages/ << holy shit! (btw)
1538517;1473436385;mircea_popescu;yasrsly.
1538518;1473436635;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118902 << asciilifeform's note.
1538519;1473436715;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538479 << wouldn't a simple nonce prevent against replay attacks (if you can call them that), tho? or did you refer to a case where the enemy attains the actual privkey of the station?
1538520;1473436715;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 15:12 asciilifeform: it is unfortunately also one of the weak points in mircea_popescu's original sketch, as an enemy who turns up a 'for' binding signature can make an attribution of station ownership.
1538521;1473436752;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there is nothing simple about it.
1538522;1473436756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'ma be answering throughout teh day!
1538523;1473436768;asciilifeform;Framedragger: do you propose to keep track of all nonces used for all time ?
1538524;1473436788;asciilifeform;whereas if you make it incremental, you leak information that third parties have no business knowing.
1538525;1473436801;Framedragger;nonce + hmac? ah, but, hmac uses symmetric crypto oh noes :/
1538526;1473436806;Framedragger;hm.
1538527;1473436820;Framedragger;i am oversimplifying, i guess
1538528;1473436893;Framedragger;actually, nm. if you don't want to leak incremental info of this kind, i guess it does become more difficult
1538529;1473436934;mircea_popescu;it gets worse, the concept of "incremental" is undefined.
1538530;1473436940;asciilifeform;^
1538531;1473436948;Framedragger;asciilifeform: tho am not sure if it's necessarily bad, to leak incremental nonces. i mean, i know you don't want to leak one single useful bit to da enemy; i don't know if it's a practical constraint, even if it is laudible.
1538532;1473436952;Framedragger;suresure.
1538533;1473436971;Framedragger;tcp seq id's again? :/ right.
1538534;1473436977;asciilifeform;Framedragger: idea is to leak 0.
1538535;1473436987;mircea_popescu;Framedragger understand what the problem is here. it's not that you give away the secret number 40084059534. it's that you give away the fact that you and X both somehow live in a world where ++ means something.
1538536;1473436989;asciilifeform;especially not a useful tidbit such as 'how long node a and b have been in communion'
1538537;1473436994;mircea_popescu;this is necessarily not gossipd / bitcoin / p2p world.
1538538;1473437000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu nails it.
1538539;1473437024;Framedragger;" 'how long node a and b have been in communion'" - right, that i can understand, that it's not good
1538540;1473437034;Framedragger;right.
1538541;1473437085;mircea_popescu;not even just how long. it's just a sort of coupling. "these two have a solution to us army general problem"
1538542;1473437269;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118905 << moar.
1538543;1473437305;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ << Trilema - [G]ossipd design document
1538544;1473437402;mircea_popescu;answer't.
1538545;1473437506;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118907 <<.
1538546;1473437756;mircea_popescu;answer't.
1538547;1473437868;asciilifeform;answrd'^2.
1538548;1473438197;mircea_popescu;again. lol. thisis getting ridoinculous.
1538549;1473438262;mod6;its a good dialogue though.
1538550;1473439312;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118911 << ok i warn, this is long.
1538551;1473441437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ping
1538552;1473441456;*;asciilifeform digs in
1538553;1473441661;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on campus, http://67.media.tumblr.com/59b06563cbb62fbc525ded0c5f50f138/tumblr_my8992ECJW1rm1zwvo1_1280.jpg
1538554;1473441720;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pong
1538555;1473441885;mircea_popescu;answer't.
1538556;1473443731;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118915 << .
1538557;1473444761;mircea_popescu;answer't.
1538558;1473445032;asciilifeform;answr't^2.
1538559;1473445132;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118918 << continuation.
1538560;1473445251;phf;at least this time annotations don't include 1000 line log excerpts
1538561;1473445263;asciilifeform;lol
1538562;1473445315;mircea_popescu;lol
1538563;1473445360;mod6;when you think it's a good idea, we can add a project to tb0t if it seems prudent.
1538564;1473445392;mircea_popescu;yeah. prolly too soon yet.
1538565;1473445397;mircea_popescu;aaand answered.
1538566;1473445717;asciilifeform;aaanswrd^3.
1538567;1473446244;mircea_popescu;aha.
1538568;1473446371;asciilifeform;^4.
1538569;1473446386;mod6;Nice thread!
1538570;1473446944;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118927 << ^5.
1538571;1473447302;asciilifeform;(continued.)
1538572;1473447375;mircea_popescu;ok this multi-comment thing is getting out of hand. why not just think the thing through and say it once.
1538573;1473447383;asciilifeform;i did.
1538574;1473447401;asciilifeform;and came to conclusion that there is a massive hole in the scheme sketched out in subj link, that i can drive a maersk cargo liner through.
1538575;1473447586;mircea_popescu;so far this isn't a shared view.
1538576;1473447589;mircea_popescu;anyways, i shall bbl!
1538577;1473447749;asciilifeform;answr'd.
1538578;1473447883;asciilifeform;as it stands, the cost to E of replaying any or all of the packets between A and B, or reordering, is 0.
1538579;1473447891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's answer appears to be 'lala can't hear you.'
1538580;1473447903;asciilifeform;this has not been an especially productive discussion.
1538581;1473448088;asciilifeform;E can ding A and B for less cost to himself than they incur from said ding. which is the elementary particle from which ddos is made.
1538582;1473448175;asciilifeform;(picture a weapon that kills the same POPULATION PERCENTAGE of the firer's army as of the enemy. it would be quite useless. any weapon requires asymmetry to work.)
1538583;1473448290;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu's favorite rhetorical device is 'this is not relevant.' hey, it's the man's own blog, who am i to say that he has to consider my observations relevant. but this nonsense won't keep rainwater out of a tent, much less ft meade.
1538584;1473448329;asciilifeform;in approx. the sage's own words, 'piss in one hand, argument irrelevance in the other, see which one weighs more.'
1538585;1473448401;asciilifeform;and if i can describe (and i can) how the scheme can be broken WITHOUT breaking the cipher, then the cipher is decorative.
1538586;1473448410;asciilifeform;promisetronic.
1538587;1473448468;asciilifeform;just like the idiot 'tamper seals' that are trivially broken every day, not only by usg but by turd world pissant secret services, merely by penetrating the ENVELOPE.
1538588;1473448514;asciilifeform;( handy illustration : https://archive.is/dMwk5 )
1538589;1473448782;asciilifeform;in unrelated lulz, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FAAF6A486AF408A503BF3AF87E4C646B05C79E50530D03BECB2F30A911C66EC5
1538590;1473451684;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118933 << encore.
1538591;1473451814;asciilifeform;and FOR FUCKS SAKE, rsa ciphertext LEAKS THE PUBKEY
1538592;1473451822;asciilifeform;this nails the whole scheme regardless of all other considerations.
1538593;1473451835;asciilifeform;we had this thread, what, 3 times.
1538594;1473452086;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's scheme answers 'E infers key, floods A with megatonne of shit' with 'A renegotiates key with all of A's peers via magical channel that E cannot saturate with shit'
1538595;1473452093;asciilifeform;which is an epicycle
1538596;1473452106;asciilifeform;begs the question, why not simply communicate over this magical submarine cable to begin with ?
1538597;1473452113;asciilifeform;why use a medium where enemy can inject.
1538598;1473453498;mircea_popescu;o hey, three comments on trilema plus twenty lines here.
1538599;1473453500;mircea_popescu;is this ADD ?
1538600;1473453559;mircea_popescu;but in other news, took delivery of proper copper cord ; should be interesting to notice how this one never ever blows up.
1538601;1473454250;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118935 << aaand encore.
1538602;1473454632;mod6;mircea_popescu: your lady's hand looked ghastly.  she should get to slap the first born of all of the industrial leaders in .ar.
1538603;1473454826;mircea_popescu;mod6 to her credit she didn't even piss self.
1538604;1473454832;asciilifeform;waiwat
1538605;1473454835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answert.
1538606;1473454838;asciilifeform;do they usually?!
1538607;1473454859;mod6;it looked as if someone lit off a M80 in her hand.
1538608;1473454885;asciilifeform;mod6: i'd expect some missing flesh then, neh ?
1538609;1473454911;mircea_popescu;yes, pissing self is common in a) women, especially if well used (in practice, this is often seen around childbirth) ; b) scared people, especially if young ; c) electricity mishaps, especially if high voltage.
1538610;1473454916;mod6;i don't know for sure.  maybe "hand full of blackcats" or something. small firecrackers.
1538611;1473454934;mircea_popescu;so yes, a+b+c, pretty stacked deck.
1538612;1473454939;mod6;mircea_popescu: to her credit indeed. poor lady.
1538613;1473454972;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, did the breaker blow ?
1538614;1473454994;asciilifeform;or do these, also, do something exciting and unexpected in the land of the pampas cat.
1538615;1473455022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i had them replaced them with sane items, so they cut power, yes.
1538616;1473455038;mircea_popescu;(there was a cold snap, and that place drew just about 19 amps consistently for days, i'm pretty sure)
1538617;1473455059;mod6;wow, that seems high.
1538618;1473455111;mod6;nevermind, im smoking crack
1538619;1473455360;mircea_popescu;it's you know.. not that high, 4kwh-ish.
1538620;1473455366;mircea_popescu;but houses are usually wired for 20
1538621;1473455379;mircea_popescu;because houses are not usually heated on electric power ffs.
1538622;1473455384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: answr'd.
1538623;1473455449;mircea_popescu;!!rate deedbot 1
1538624;1473455450;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/9rjgi/?raw=true
1538625;1473455780;mircea_popescu;instead of pings, i shall now proceed to pronz. like so : http://67.media.tumblr.com/63e35b70e89db0293762942aa35cf992/tumblr_n06ukj9LrE1ruyp7wo1_1280.jpg
1538626;1473456148;asciilifeform;lol neat
1538627;1473456163;mircea_popescu;much to alf's relief, it's not a buncha baluba.
1538628;1473456193;asciilifeform;eh i am wooden inside, bad pr0nz dun do much.
1538629;1473456210;mircea_popescu;aww! wooden inside is not from a good lyfe.
1538630;1473456221;asciilifeform;has up-sides.
1538631;1473456945;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118939 << aaand moar.
1538632;1473457641;mircea_popescu;oh and in other-other news : mp decides maybe he wants to turn http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ into an art movie ; proceeds to call buenos aires studios and modelling agencies.
1538633;1473457660;mircea_popescu;out of about thirty studios, twenty five respond, within a day mp has one dozen amply adequate locations for a casting.
1538634;1473457677;mircea_popescu;out of about thirty agencies, five respond. mp is awestruck by just how retarded the people involved are.
1538635;1473457682;mircea_popescu;such disparitits.
1538636;1473457920;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/fallon-smarts-murderer-out-on-bail << CH - Fallon Smart's Murderer Out On Bail
1538637;1473458346;mircea_popescu;ahahaha srsly, ben_vulpes uses T favicon ?
1538638;1473458356;ben_vulpes;ohey
1538639;1473458389;ben_vulpes;dafuq is a favicon anyways
1538640;1473458393;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1538641;1473458407;ben_vulpes;anyways, fixd, ty
1538642;1473458489;mircea_popescu;best part about that ?
1538643;1473458499;mircea_popescu;"bail could be the full amount or 10% of the full amount" in small print.
1538644;1473458503;mircea_popescu;retail is for suckers amirite ?
1538645;1473458515;ben_vulpes;ja :D
1538646;1473458533;ben_vulpes;i wonder if you can get a bulk discount for getting your kids out of us.jail?
1538647;1473458551;mircea_popescu;depends. are you A and do you know B ?
1538648;1473458561;ben_vulpes;why now that you ask, no and no!
1538649;1473458581;*;ben_vulpes will be damn reluctant to bail offspring out
1538650;1473458594;ben_vulpes;"what was the first rule? DON'T GET CAUGHT!"
1538651;1473458619;mircea_popescu;hopefully b v gets daughters, they get to be 16, call weekly "dad... i'm in jail... because i'm pregnant..."
1538652;1473458634;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, the expression also was, "to get caught".
1538653;1473458669;ben_vulpes;any girls are getting implants, and the boys get a trip to india for the plastic
1538654;1473458690;ben_vulpes;weekly abortions yikes what a nightmare
1538655;1473458691;mircea_popescu;a trip to... hm. what ?
1538656;1473458713;*;mircea_popescu was personally acquainted with lovely, bouncy redhead who got like a dozen in one year.
1538657;1473458731;ben_vulpes;isn't there some risk to stacking them like that?
1538658;1473458749;mircea_popescu;quite.
1538659;1473458780;mircea_popescu;if you keep scraping eventually you reach the outside you know.
1538660;1473458798;ben_vulpes;anyways, there's this porous not particularly bioreactive plastic some people think it fine to inject into the urethra
1538661;1473458810;mircea_popescu;o.O
1538662;1473458810;ben_vulpes;carries a positive charge, shreds sperm cell walls.
1538663;1473458813;ben_vulpes;er
1538664;1473458818;ben_vulpes;not urethra, surely.
1538665;1473458832;mircea_popescu;epididymus ?
1538666;1473458834;ben_vulpes;the cum-pipe, whatever that is.
1538667;1473458851;ben_vulpes;sure?
1538668;1473458870;ben_vulpes;anyways, can be flushed right out with a gentle solvent.
1538669;1473458874;mircea_popescu;sperm pipe. cum pipe is more like from prostate you know.
1538670;1473458881;*;ben_vulpes does not!
1538671;1473458892;mircea_popescu;never cut up a penis ?
1538672;1473458892;trinque;penises, how do they work
1538673;1473458954;jurov;hydraulics!
1538674;1473458980;mircea_popescu;why hydraulics, it only has one head...
1538675;1473459068;*;trinque now stuck imagining this stuff stuck in urethra
1538676;1473459095;*;mircea_popescu recommends trinque undergo a recreational sounds session.
1538677;1473459100;jurov;http://www.medicaldaily.com/new-male-birth-control-sperm-switch-temporaily-sterilizes-men-flip-switch-368784 << yet better stuff to imagine
1538678;1473459122;trinque;mircea_popescu: hey that has a handle you can pull, or so I gather
1538679;1473459132;mircea_popescu;slowly, ideally.
1538680;1473459137;jurov;but ben_vulpes is proll going for remote activation by rsa sig via gossipd
1538681;1473459152;mircea_popescu;btw jurov mind protesting the heteronormative pronz a little bit, i need something to counterbalance alf!
1538682;1473459172;ben_vulpes;jurov: upside of the plastic is that it is porous and doesn't clog
1538683;1473459184;mircea_popescu;from what i've seen, the porous stuff and the porous stuff only clogs.
1538684;1473459190;mircea_popescu;kinda the definition of these terms, neh ?
1538685;1473459204;jurov;ben_vulpes: but no rsa signatures re involved!
1538686;1473459229;ben_vulpes;jurov: myeah i gave up on the cyberpunk dream of technology in my body a loooong time ago.
1538687;1473459272;ben_vulpes;heh i actually remember when it was! 'diamond age' has a great gag where the poors with shitty ocular implants have to suffer viral ads all day and go insane
1538688;1473459280;mircea_popescu;anyway, think of all the great stuff blockchain technologies allows, guise! you could have like, a satoshi dice based aviator's club, whereby the men all put their house keys in a pile and the women pick from there as previously, BUT whether the dick works or not is now blockchain lottery based!
1538689;1473459286;mircea_popescu;and all the resulting children can be called satoshi!
1538690;1473459292;ben_vulpes;viral in the sense of virii in the implants
1538691;1473459337;mircea_popescu;"the poors", check it out.
1538692;1473459339;*;mircea_popescu likes the idea.
1538693;1473459360;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "clog" here meaning that jurovs valve needs blowing off.
1538694;1473459402;jurov;ben_vulpes: unreleased sperm eventually just decays in the balls
1538695;1473459413;mircea_popescu;and to your detriment.
1538696;1473459430;ben_vulpes;something something alzheimers something something immune system
1538697;1473459443;mircea_popescu;something something like that.
1538698;1473459470;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-08#1362586
1538699;1473459470;a111;Logged on 2016-01-08 00:12 asciilifeform: and even not considering this absurdity, you would have same problem as vasectomy patient (the sperm gets reabsorbed and your immune system begins to generate antibodies against it. with bonus measurable extra risk of alzheimer's)
1538700;1473459501;ben_vulpes;i did eventually run the citation down, 'twas some less than thirty old men with beginning signs of alzheimers who realized they all had vasectomies
1538701;1473459514;asciilifeform;ahahaha nice , asciilifeform doesn't need to crank the logtron, other folks will do it !111
1538702;1473459521;asciilifeform;if only this worked for everything else!
1538703;1473459531;mircea_popescu;you could just store all the sperm
1538704;1473459545;ben_vulpes;let's store all the sperm in the appendix
1538705;1473459552;trinque;would not blow my mind that this leads towards autoimmune disorders
1538706;1473459564;mircea_popescu;great idea! it's predestined for it : appen-dicks
1538707;1473459570;ben_vulpes;lol
1538708;1473459579;mircea_popescu;from old german to appen
1538709;1473459582;trinque;iirc there's speculation alzheimers *is* autoimmune
1538710;1473459588;asciilifeform;trinque, ben_vulpes : the first tipoff that one can immunologically zap own spermatozoids came not from alzheimer's patients, but from folks attempting to have vasectomy reversed
1538711;1473459609;mircea_popescu;did i drop the "prionic" alt-explanation in log or no ? i... can't recall ?
1538712;1473459614;asciilifeform;and who noticed that the reversal worked mechanically, but somehow ~0 spermatozoons made it to the other end.
1538713;1473459663;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-19#1377669
1538714;1473459663;a111;Logged on 2016-01-19 22:00 mircea_popescu: they recently discovered that it's quite likely alzheimer's is a prion based infectious disease,
1538715;1473459671;mircea_popescu;o ty!
1538716;1473459713;*;mircea_popescu cranks trilema, discovers no stan replies, is baffled by this development.
1538717;1473459718;asciilifeform;lel
1538718;1473459730;mircea_popescu;it can't be that you're ~satisfied~ can it ?!
1538719;1473459735;asciilifeform;nope.
1538720;1473459741;asciilifeform;just that i only have 2handz.
1538721;1473459750;mircea_popescu;and another myth shatters.
1538722;1473459757;asciilifeform;free.
1538723;1473459801;mircea_popescu;"kyle go clean your room this instant!" "sorry mom, i... i... i malloc'd my hands and i think there were some double free's in there or something!"
1538724;1473459824;mircea_popescu;"i can't find my hands."
1538725;1473459990;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118941 << there you go.
1538726;1473460059;mircea_popescu;btw, speaking of this : any chance one of the bot masters wants to add a "subscribe to comments" option ? whereby i go !~subscribe http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/feed/ and it pings me whenever there's new ones ?
1538727;1473460077;mircea_popescu;seems kinda doofy to do this by hand.
1538728;1473460095;asciilifeform;fortunately this is not an exercise we repeat very often.
1538729;1473460107;trinque;I can just throw it in the RSS list
1538730;1473460179;jurov;i found whole discussion too funny, had to throw some 2c in on trilema
1538731;1473460181;trinque;actually, can add !!subscribe for L1 which adds to RSS list, and then can be used for this or anything else that arises
1538732;1473460225;*;ben_vulpes simply subscribed to the trilema comments feed
1538733;1473460545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly more often as time goes by ; because the problem of sorting things by topics is becoming more pressing.
1538734;1473460569;mircea_popescu;trinque but ideally it just pms the subscribers see
1538735;1473460593;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i'm not using a rss-tron anymore ; bots ruined me for it.
1538736;1473460610;trinque;ah, possible with current feed eater.
1538737;1473460623;trinque;it has a notion of to whom to send
1538738;1473460623;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: you know standing up a trinquebot isn't terrifically difficult
1538739;1473460637;mircea_popescu;yeah tru.
1538740;1473460653;mircea_popescu;trinque nice, say when
1538741;1473460748;jurov;on second thought ... oops i inadvertently supported my point by leaking s3cr3t trilema email :( feel free to censor it
1538742;1473460775;mircea_popescu;jurov you might have noticed it's not even in the contact list anymore.
1538743;1473460794;jurov;aok
1538744;1473460910;*;mircea_popescu had girl swallow his cufflink (accidentally!), took her earrings in restitution. discovered that he kinda likes earring cufflinks.
1538745;1473460913;mircea_popescu;such barbarian.
1538746;1473460951;ben_vulpes;how, praytell, does one swallow a cufflink accidentally?
1538747;1473460958;mircea_popescu;it was one of those things.
1538748;1473461005;shinohai;Did you get your cufflink back mircea_popescu ?
1538749;1473461016;mircea_popescu;not so far.
1538750;1473461037;*;shinohai imagines many hours and a bottle of castor oil later ......
1538751;1473461066;mircea_popescu;naah
1538752;1473461099;mircea_popescu;swallowing cufflinks accidentally not on the castor oil list of bad girl behaviours
1538753;1473461109;ben_vulpes;put girl through sifter until cufflinks emerge
1538754;1473461117;mircea_popescu;she can keep it.
1538755;1473461170;shinohai;"geez Mircea, I have never seen such smooth, polished cufflinks. What's your secret?"
1538756;1473461199;ben_vulpes;feed cufflinks to girl, put girl in polisher
1538757;1473461220;mircea_popescu;lol
1538758;1473461221;mircea_popescu;tumbler
1538759;1473461234;ben_vulpes;putting girl in tumblr is a different hobby
1538760;1473461250;ben_vulpes;put /dick/ in girl, put girl in tumblr.
1538761;1473461266;ben_vulpes;voila, polished dick.
1538762;1473461268;mircea_popescu;hm
1538763;1473461273;mircea_popescu;this new learning amazes me.
1538764;1473461281;ben_vulpes;and no lsd even
1538765;1473461297;mircea_popescu;eh, considering where you live, it's prolly in the tap water by now
1538766;1473461300;*;ben_vulpes off to contemplate burning another fortune chasing a larger fortune
1538767;1473461302;mircea_popescu;like estrogen in washington dc
1538768;1473461317;ben_vulpes;no that's floride, which is just as hallucinogenic as nitrous
1538769;1473461317;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118946 << moar fun.
1538770;1473461333;*;ben_vulpes off to burn a fortune in a fit of pique
1538771;1473462031;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/parasitic-flatworm-named-to-honor-hussein-bahamas/ << Qntra - Parasitic Flatworm Named To Honor Hussein Bahamas
1538772;1473462561;mircea_popescu;!!up vinimore
1538773;1473462562;deedbot;vinimore voiced for 30 minutes.
1538774;1473462592;vinimore;hi, I found a post in a blog about Eulora
1538775;1473462598;vinimore;in a forum*
1538776;1473462614;vinimore;$register 17AC8C06F904BB835B85436A5F7F93920047AA1D
1538777;1473462620;thestringpuller;!~seen shinohai
1538778;1473462620;jhvh1;thestringpuller: shinohai was last seen in #trilema 24 minutes and 9 seconds ago: <shinohai> "geez Mircea, I have never seen such smooth, polished cufflinks. What's your secret?"
1538779;1473462647;vinimore;Shinohai! you're the guy that I'm looking for!
1538780;1473462667;shinohai;hi vinimore try comand again but replace $ with !!
1538781;1473462678;vinimore;!!register 17AC8C06F904BB835B85436A5F7F93920047AA1D
1538782;1473462679;deedbot;Import failed for 17AC8C06F904BB835B85436A5F7F93920047AA1D.
1538783;1473462788;mircea_popescu;give it ten minutes
1538784;1473462937;shinohai;also o/ thestringpuller
1538785;1473462976;phf;$seen shinohai
1538786;1473462976;a111;2016-09-09 <shinohai> also o/ thestringpuller
1538787;1473463021;mircea_popescu;lolwut.
1538788;1473463025;shinohai;$unsee
1538789;1473463033;mircea_popescu;phf !# plox.
1538790;1473463061;phf;mircea_popescu: a111's been using $ for search though for a while now
1538791;1473463072;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1538792;1473463085;mircea_popescu;erryone's been using various things for a while.
1538793;1473463098;shinohai;The Bickening II
1538794;1473463103;mircea_popescu;lol
1538795;1473463259;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "In a twist of irony sure not lost to Qntra readers" ?
1538796;1473463274;mircea_popescu;"now has the honor of having" ? eh cmon!
1538797;1473463292;*;mircea_popescu looks at shinohai lookingly through his looksee
1538798;1473463301;shinohai;Not my finest submission
1538799;1473463318;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1538800;1473463462;phf;mircea_popescu: so you're saying i should change $s too?
1538801;1473463484;mircea_popescu;change a111 's control sequences whatever they may be currently to !# only please.
1538802;1473463502;*;shinohai thanks BingoBoingo for his patience as editor
1538803;1473463503;phf;i see
1538804;1473463528;mircea_popescu;deedbot got !!, jhvh1 got !~ and further bots will get further of these until we run out and move on to #? etc.
1538805;1473463587;phf;can i nuke all control sequences and have $s exclusively as an equivalent two character operation?
1538806;1473463612;mircea_popescu;but...why ?
1538807;1473463745;phf;well, i think that a111 has only one responsibility, and that's searching though log, whatever else is added is superfluous, but $s's been internalized by, among other people, asciilifeform. i'd rather not see "$s ... ??? ffs!"
1538808;1473463767;mircea_popescu;well if you do see it you can just point at me.
1538809;1473463779;shinohai;!~die
1538810;1473463779;jhvh1;You have died of dysentery
1538811;1473463839;phf;i see
1538812;1473463890;vinimore;!!register 17AC8C06F904BB835B85436A5F7F93920047AA1D
1538813;1473463893;deedbot;17AC8C06F904BB835B85436A5F7F93920047AA1D registered as vinimore.
1538814;1473463901;mircea_popescu;cool.
1538815;1473463907;mircea_popescu;!!key vinimore
1538816;1473463909;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/dhisy/?raw=true
1538817;1473463935;vinimore;what do I do now?
1538818;1473464001;shinohai;wait, mircea_popescu is making you an account vinimore
1538819;1473464009;shinohai;should be just a sec
1538820;1473464010;vinimore;alright :)
1538821;1473464011;thestringpuller; /wind 3
1538822;1473464015;thestringpuller;FUCKING IRSSI
1538823;1473464035;trinque;I hate when it puts a space in front too
1538824;1473464036;mircea_popescu;vinimore http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/as1hg/?raw=true
1538825;1473464058;*;shinohai didn't know Irssi was still in use
1538826;1473464068;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure mirc is still in use
1538827;1473464398;shinohai;!!up vinimore
1538828;1473464399;deedbot;vinimore voiced for 30 minutes.
1538829;1473464432;vinimore;okay, I'm creating my char
1538830;1473464502;trinque;!!subscribe http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/feed/
1538831;1473464503;deedbot;trinque subscribed to http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/feed/
1538832;1473464513;trinque;inb4 oh shit I gotta add threads to the rssatron nao
1538833;1473464518;trinque;mircea_popescu: enjoy!
1538834;1473464520;trinque;et al
1538835;1473464952;mircea_popescu;o hey!
1538836;1473464961;mircea_popescu;there was something else but now i forget wtf
1538837;1473464968;mircea_popescu;oh oh! pastebin key bypassing sks ?
1538838;1473464978;mircea_popescu;!!subscribe http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/feed/
1538839;1473464979;deedbot;mircea_popescu subscribed to http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/feed/
1538840;1473464989;mircea_popescu;inb4 "there's no way to unsubscribe ha-ha!"
1538841;1473465028;trinque;lol, that one's coming in a minute! measure twice subscribe once (TM) (R)
1538842;1473465063;mircea_popescu;<3 ya
1538843;1473465348;mircea_popescu;holy shit it has a by :
1538844;1473465349;mircea_popescu;epic.
1538845;1473465493;mircea_popescu;trinque if / when you implement the wallet thing you can even charge for this. i'd pay!
1538846;1473465525;trinque;cool. wallet will come. for now, loss leader.
1538847;1473465542;mircea_popescu;first ever paid-for-rss ; microtransactions ; etc.
1538848;1473465586;shinohai;!!deedbot tip trinque 1 bitcent
1538849;1473465594;thestringpuller;~_~
1538850;1473465604;shinohai;:D
1538851;1473465610;thestringpuller;!!deedbot tip trinque 1 beer
1538852;1473465621;thestringpuller;we invented changetip!
1538853;1473465644;trinque;howdareyou
1538854;1473465655;trinque;paying for services is different!11!!!
1538855;1473465657;trinque;lol
1538856;1473465687;thestringpuller;oh man i forgot to put my homage to the dreamcast up before 9/9 ended.
1538857;1473465830;mircea_popescu;hooly crap, /me just realises that mp-wp actually has
1538858;1473465833;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/comments/feed/ !!11
1538859;1473465852;mircea_popescu;this is shockingly useful, like those corner ramps disabled people wanted put in and then everyone just loved them
1538860;1473465857;mircea_popescu;!~subscribe http://trilema.com/comments/feed/
1538861;1473465857;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "subscribe" is not a valid command.
1538862;1473465862;mircea_popescu;!!subscribe http://trilema.com/comments/feed/
1538863;1473465864;deedbot;mircea_popescu subscribed to http://trilema.com/comments/feed/
1538864;1473465891;mircea_popescu;this whole thing just became perceptibly more useful!
1538865;1473465971;shinohai;What were specs for a bot wallet anyway? There was a cruddy one written by gribble's author I started to hook to trb one time but never finished
1538866;1473466009;mircea_popescu;it's supposed to keep a balance for you and make payments. exactly same mechanics as rating, which is how i dumped on trinque.
1538867;1473466020;mircea_popescu;no rule that there can only be one, however ; on the contrary.
1538868;1473466061;trinque;more redundancy the better. these facilities end up being what's available on a particular gossipd node, as I see it
1538869;1473466063;mircea_popescu;the more the merrier
1538870;1473466083;trinque;that said shinohai pls do not hook a cruddy anything to your trb for your own sake.
1538871;1473466087;mircea_popescu;trinque soonish we'll end up with a sort of space sim, "you dock to station trinque, here's what's available"
1538872;1473466121;shinohai;no trinque that's why I abandoned it, it was just garbage, I thought I'd be better off to start from scratch.
1538873;1473466148;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/eb09ab99ab8cfa8ea8f5c09effa2c430/tumblr_myizcpkiAy1stdt0mo1_250.gif
1538874;1473466164;trinque;could think of it like bitcoin is a corrosive that *will* find its way out of the container if it can
1538875;1473466440;thestringpuller;trinque: store bitcoin like you would nuclear waste. the true asciilifeform method!
1538876;1473466478;trinque;a very brief overview is that there is one deposit address, encrypted OTPs are archived elsewhere as they are sent to transactors, then deeded, and withdrawals involve a human walk over the account history before dispatching a txn.
1538877;1473466775;mod6;my new vpatch, as we discussed lastnight works perfectly.
1538878;1473466804;mod6;im also going to use this vpatch to tag the release and tie up the leafs.
1538879;1473467304;mod6;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4bm0m/?raw=true
1538880;1473467334;mod6;alright. now we'll begin a testing cycle. when we're done with that, will sign and publish vpatch.
1538881;1473467784;mircea_popescu;nice work mod6
1538882;1473467801;mod6;thanks Mr. P. :]
1538883;1473472309;phf;(test)
1538884;1473472562;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538879 << oh hey... did ben_vulpes , co-chairman, ever sign a vpatch..?
1538885;1473472562;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 00:28 mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4bm0m/?raw=true
1538886;1473472608;asciilifeform;i could've sworn he wrote >=1
1538887;1473472682;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538866 << why not also drown your children for you.
1538888;1473472682;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 00:06 mircea_popescu: it's supposed to keep a balance for you and make payments. exactly same mechanics as rating, which is how i dumped on trinque.
1538889;1473472699;asciilifeform;$@drown useless_son
1538890;1473472702;asciilifeform;etc.
1538891;1473472736;asciilifeform;'oops i meant - 'down' not 'drown' !'
1538892;1473472753;phf;asciilifeform: i don't have any vulpes sigs either..
1538893;1473472755;asciilifeform;'drownbot hands you a broomstick.'
1538894;1473472781;asciilifeform;phf: i have one for upnp removal but it is pre-v
1538895;1473472870;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-09#1538801 << wai.
1538896;1473472870;a111;Logged on 2016-09-09 23:24 mircea_popescu: change a111 's control sequences whatever they may be currently to !# only please.
1538897;1473472884;asciilifeform;i dun get it.
1538898;1473472922;mod6;yeah, ben has never signed anything.
1538899;1473473037;asciilifeform;not a vpatch, at ant rate.
1538900;1473473041;asciilifeform;any rate
1538901;1473473047;asciilifeform;afaik.
1538902;1473473084;asciilifeform;i like ben_vulpes but he has not been catching mice.
1538903;1473473153;shinohai;From the krypton mines: http://www.labitconf.com/
1538904;1473473168;shinohai;mircea_popescu should go and flip tables.
1538905;1473473631;trinque;asciilifeform: how to do micropayments for deeds and rss notifications without a wallet?
1538906;1473473661;asciilifeform;you don't, micropayments are braindamaged.
1538907;1473473687;trinque;mkay
1538908;1473473690;asciilifeform;and robots in charge of money are a recipe for tears.
1538909;1473473737;asciilifeform;if something merits paying for, it merits macropaying. by human.
1538910;1473473752;trinque;no deedbot for you then.
1538911;1473473763;trinque;it runs off an address that has been slowly dwindling 0.1btc
1538912;1473473777;asciilifeform;i'll gladly take turn filling it.
1538913;1473473783;trinque;no no
1538914;1473473788;trinque;I'm saying it is a robot handling money
1538915;1473473811;asciilifeform;not same thing as a payerbot by any means.
1538916;1473473865;trinque;did you see what I wrote above about it?
1538917;1473473884;mod6;<+asciilifeform> not a vpatch, at ant rate. << fair distinction
1538918;1473473885;asciilifeform;point plox
1538919;1473473892;*;trinque will need to actually blog about it
1538920;1473473906;asciilifeform;trinque: i promise to read.
1538921;1473473911;trinque;should be possible to confirm that all transactions were authorized by end user before moving any actual btc
1538922;1473473915;trinque;and this on airgapped machine
1538923;1473473918;*;trinque will write
1538924;1473473995;asciilifeform;mod6: this merits a thread imho. it is not reasonable to ask that every ablebodied fella WRITE a useful patch. but why not READ ?
1538925;1473474029;asciilifeform;it is something ~everyone here can usefully do.
1538926;1473474070;mod6;well, i don't wanna speak for ben_vulpes, but iirc he's read most of them if not all; maybe just didn't get around to signing for lack of time because of baby, and running company.
1538927;1473474091;asciilifeform;i was wondering if he has actual reservations.
1538928;1473474144;mod6;again, don't wanna speak for the man; however, don't think he has any at this point.
1538929;1473474170;mod6;ben_vulpes: Sir, please weigh in here when you get a spare moment. ^
1538930;1473474175;asciilifeform;i suppose we can ask him when he next crosses orbit with us.
1538931;1473474711;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#49 << it's a convention, nothing to get really.
1538932;1473474712;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-10: [02:01:24] <asciilifeform> i dun get it.
1538933;1473474766;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#56 << what, so i'd be the only bitcoiner there ?
1538934;1473474766;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-10: [02:06:08] <shinohai> mircea_popescu should go and flip tables.
1538935;1473474805;*;shinohai snickers, told covertress this when she invited him
1538936;1473474817;shinohai;I have no interest in that shit
1538937;1473474882;mircea_popescu;anyway. argentina is a fine place for it, more derpy posers per square mile here than almost anywhere in the world.
1538938;1473474929;mircea_popescu;o look, there'sa "coinbr founder".
1538939;1473474958;mircea_popescu;epic.
1538940;1473475201;shinohai;I wonder what are the Bitpay people on schedule for, gonna give a speech on how to get hacked?
1538941;1473475256;mircea_popescu;somebody's gotta chip in for all those uber rides.
1538942;1473475258;shinohai;Oh wait, that's the guy that got phished and scammed out of like 1.8 million I think.
1538943;1473475300;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you explain your problem with micropayments any more articulately than "i don't understand this" ?
1538944;1473475859;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538943 << didn't the 'cup of coffee' thread happen long before i showed up even ?
1538945;1473475859;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 02:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you explain your problem with micropayments any more articulately than "i don't understand this" ?
1538946;1473475893;*;asciilifeform brb - meat.
1538947;1473476103;mircea_popescu;sure ; but i don't think trinque was proposing the purpose of bitcoin is micropayments.
1538948;1473476117;trinque;I even said once "so then build Visa on bitcoin"
1538949;1473476119;trinque;re: coffee
1538950;1473476127;trinque;$s from:trinque visa
1538951;1473476127;a111;4 results for "from:trinque visa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Atrinque%20visa
1538952;1473476229;*;mircea_popescu is seriously contemplating the problem of subtleties. 
1538953;1473476293;mircea_popescu;what the fuck's one to do ? there's a major difference between "all these people running around blathering about how bitcoin will change the world of starbucks are idiots" and "micropayments are evil". even though at the time a bunch of idiots run around like they run the place, the difference is negligible.
1538954;1473476371;mircea_popescu;seems a significant chunk of disputes arise from misapprehension rather than a genuine difference of opinion an' what's worse, seems to me the trend is upwards.
1538955;1473476448;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough, this is exactly work hardening for social groups ; and for that matter how parties are born.
1538956;1473476496;trinque;people eventually find out that perhaps the reasons they agreed were different!
1538957;1473476540;trinque;there's another thing in there too, appropriately subtle. idiot taint, or something.
1538958;1473476543;mircea_popescu;i suppose humani nihil a respublica puto.
1538959;1473476552;trinque;satan touched this; it is infected.
1538960;1473476570;mircea_popescu;makes satan's job kinda easy.
1538961;1473476577;trinque;doesn't it though.
1538962;1473476634;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder actually, that alf's personal antigens of 1.(the usg is in all things - in his personal flavour of this) + 2.(if you lick my lunch i will starve today) don't completely preclude any action whatsoever.
1538963;1473476645;mircea_popescu;you'd expect he'd be unable to get out of bed. i guess there's missing ingredients in the formula.
1538964;1473476679;mircea_popescu;but in any case the same tongue that licked tcp/ip also licked all of washington dc, not to mention etc.
1538965;1473476761;mircea_popescu;anyway. for one thing - transaction fees are micropayments ; like it or not, that's what they are, in the exact sense contemplated for deedbot.
1538966;1473476770;thestringpuller;;;later tell pete_dushenski I have a car dilemma. I can't figure out what model Cadillac this is. If I send you pics could you decipher?
1538967;1473476775;thestringpuller;GRRRRRRR
1538968;1473476782;trinque;the public ledger did not cancel private accounting
1538969;1473476787;thestringpuller;!~later tell tell pete_dushenski I have a car dilemma. I can't figure out what model Cadillac this is. If I send you pics could you decipher?
1538970;1473476787;jhvh1;thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
1538971;1473476792;thestringpuller;:P
1538972;1473476795;mircea_popescu;moreover, nobody said the deedbot wallet is to be restricted to micropayments. that's obviously the angle to solve, from an engineering pov ; but to then on that infer that it is ONLY for such is silly.
1538973;1473476971;thestringpuller;don't micropayments normally amount to spam?
1538974;1473476988;thestringpuller;there's a reason I don't pay for my groceries in pennies...
1538975;1473477040;trinque;with a one megabyte block to serve the whole world's 10min of txn, your groceries *are* a fucking micropayment.
1538976;1473477057;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the whole point is that if i want to pay deedbot 100 satoshi for whatever, i'd rather have this as an offchain txn than as a blockchain spam tx
1538977;1473477184;mircea_popescu;eulora provides a convenient way to do this ; but there's no rule one gotta use THAT particular solution.
1538978;1473477187;trinque;mircea_popescu knows better than anyone here that bitcoin did not cancel derived instruments of value.
1538979;1473477198;trinque;one of the coolest things here is that the wallet can guarantee someone shall be paid
1538980;1473477206;trinque;in the future
1538981;1473477219;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
1538982;1473477354;mircea_popescu;in any case, just think how cool it'd have been if i could have paid all these eulora noobs getting bitcents via bot directly.
1538983;1473477363;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538953 << let's have a working definition of a 'micro' payment.
1538984;1473477363;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 02:58 mircea_popescu: what the fuck's one to do ? there's a major difference between "all these people running around blathering about how bitcoin will change the world of starbucks are idiots" and "micropayments are evil". even though at the time a bunch of idiots run around like they run the place, the difference is negligible.
1538985;1473477366;thestringpuller;trinque: kind off target for my point. throwing change at someone for any purpose tends to devolve into spam.
1538986;1473477386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform less than the price of a working nuclear submarine with all the trims.
1538987;1473477390;asciilifeform;i propose that 'micro' is any payment where the tx fee is within an order of magnitude of the payload.
1538988;1473477390;thestringpuller;cuz it takes work to consolidate it into bigger chunks
1538989;1473477414;thestringpuller;i see this as a deframentation problem than anythin (hence why i also consolidate inputs in an address before they become dust)
1538990;1473477415;asciilifeform;y'know, like 'mortar' used to refer to a cannon where the caliber is within order of magnitude of the length.
1538991;1473477437;mircea_popescu;mortar is not defined by that criteria. there is cannon with narrower ratio than mortar.
1538992;1473477441;mircea_popescu;the definition of the mortar is the angle./
1538993;1473477443;asciilifeform;today.
1538994;1473477451;mircea_popescu;even historically.
1538995;1473477486;mircea_popescu;fires under pi/4, cannon. fires over, mortar.
1538996;1473477503;asciilifeform;https://www.city.takeo.lg.jp/rekisi/english/img/p-mortar.jpg << illustrative .
1538997;1473477536;mircea_popescu;there's alternatively "selfpriming projectile" vs "firing mechanism"
1538998;1473477544;asciilifeform;~that~ is solely 20th c.
1538999;1473477549;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1539000;1473477615;asciilifeform;but to revisit subj, i suggest that 'micro' roughly would be any payment where the coefficient of fee / payload is in the neighbourhood of (or even above!) 1.0.
1539001;1473477644;*;trinque is still writing response to earlier question, but who are you to say what the price of anything is?
1539002;1473477652;mircea_popescu;this is a poor criteria. there's little relation between fee and sense as it currently stands. i can send tiny payments with no fee because of coinbase age.
1539003;1473477665;trinque;"below this amount is not worth it so sez guy on internet"
1539004;1473477667;asciilifeform;trinque: i can say when a deal is a bum deal and i won't take.
1539005;1473477671;trinque;so don't take
1539006;1473477682;asciilifeform;just like i won't buy an engine with 1% coefficient of useful work.
1539007;1473477697;asciilifeform;it can go and sadly rust somewhere else, in some other fool's garage.
1539008;1473477714;trinque;you know, *paying for things* solves a great deal of the world's got-something-for-showing-up problems
1539009;1473477717;asciilifeform;if i wanted to pay 50% fee, i'd go to western motherfucking union.
1539010;1473477739;trinque;you realize first data does 2tn/yr in transactions ?
1539011;1473477753;trinque;do you even have any idea how much money moves around per day?
1539012;1473477754;asciilifeform;well yes, because p. t. barnum.
1539013;1473477755;thestringpuller;well that's a misconception trinque
1539014;1473477762;trinque;no, it's not.
1539015;1473477765;mircea_popescu;the only problem here asciilifeform is that you have a firm opinion about an item you've not bothered to understand ; and the opinion is spit-glued on what may be the effigy of a live hyena except it;'s a stone gargoyle.
1539016;1473477766;thestringpuller;cause first data actually off loads most of those
1539017;1473477770;*;thestringpuller worked for first data
1539018;1473477771;asciilifeform;mcdonalds also does trillion or whatever per day.
1539019;1473477786;trinque;the number of transactions not the damned unit
1539020;1473477789;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what aspect do you suggest i failed to understand ?
1539021;1473477831;thestringpuller;iirc first data was bought by someone for debt and for many years was used as a tax writeoff since it delcared 0 profit
1539022;1473477844;trinque;what in the fuck does that have to do with how many transactions they process
1539023;1473477847;mircea_popescu;deedbot is intended to have a wallet so i can deposit a whole btc with it and then pay it a little bit whenever rather than have to send multiple transactions. THIS particular aspect of "microtransactions" is rather opposite to the common conception thereof.
1539024;1473477862;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539002 << i must point out that this is a strictly temporary situation. miners have ZERO incentive to mine 'old coinbase tx' for 0fee.
1539025;1473477862;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 03:20 mircea_popescu: this is a poor criteria. there's little relation between fee and sense as it currently stands. i can send tiny payments with no fee because of coinbase age.
1539026;1473477870;asciilifeform;it is a plainly dumb thing to do from their pov.
1539027;1473477877;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1539028;1473477893;trinque;lets dance around everywhere because we don't understand how actual payments occur in the world, and are used to criticizing the ass-clowns in the bitcoin space.
1539029;1473477916;asciilifeform;trinque: what aspect, again, am i failing to understand ?
1539030;1473477926;mircea_popescu;o.O
1539031;1473477927;thestringpuller;trinque: from my understanding working there, the payments were offloaded based on bank.
1539032;1473477941;mircea_popescu;did i just not type all that ?
1539033;1473478002;thestringpuller;Yea 2015 metrics say 79 billion transactions processed
1539034;1473478015;thestringpuller;although most CC tx's go through first data i don't thin they process them all
1539035;1473478164;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538962 << the way this knot is cut is that there are 2 usg, the one that delivers my mail every couplea weeks to the house across the street, and the other one. and i don't give a flying fuck what the dumb one licked.
1539036;1473478164;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 03:03 mircea_popescu: it's a wonder actually, that alf's personal antigens of 1.(the usg is in all things - in his personal flavour of this) + 2.(if you lick my lunch i will starve today) don't completely preclude any action whatsoever.
1539037;1473478220;mircea_popescu;a right, i forgot teh splitting.
1539038;1473478232;mircea_popescu;who/what belongs to which also changes amirite ?
1539039;1473478236;asciilifeform;i also do not care what the other one licked if i actually grasp subj. e.g., i don't give a fuck that it produced ada.
1539040;1473478243;asciilifeform;i don't do ritualistic epidemiology.
1539041;1473478262;mircea_popescu;well then!
1539042;1473478279;trinque;how is the proposed item different than any other accounting
1539043;1473478294;trinque;you paid your gym bill in advance for the month; you get to come in for the whole damn month
1539044;1473478301;trinque;and before that, oh my god, I'm holding your money
1539045;1473478308;asciilifeform;trinque: nothing wrong with that
1539046;1473478315;trinque;I might even lose it all and close shop, and then no gym for you
1539047;1473478330;trinque;then in sanity land you come burn me at the stake
1539048;1473478331;asciilifeform;attempting to bill the gym per-minute, with a 0.1 fee tx every minute, would be braindamaged though.
1539049;1473478338;mircea_popescu;why ?
1539050;1473478349;mircea_popescu;oh with a fee. no fee!
1539051;1473478356;asciilifeform;why no fee ?
1539052;1473478367;asciilifeform;why the hell would anyone mine these, other than if his mother dropped him as a child.
1539053;1473478377;mircea_popescu;cuz deedbot keeps its own accounts. no mining. they're not even reported.
1539054;1473478378;trinque;we were talking about a bot!
1539055;1473478380;asciilifeform;i never got the 'old coin' thing.
1539056;1473478387;asciilifeform;own accounts != bitcoin micropayment.
1539057;1473478395;asciilifeform;i only have objection to the latter.
1539058;1473478401;trinque;omaigad
1539059;1473478403;asciilifeform;keeping local bar tab is not 'micropayment'.
1539060;1473478441;mircea_popescu;hence my comment about "not bothered to understand"
1539061;1473478477;asciilifeform;sooo thread was not in fact about camel shit but cookies sweet ?
1539062;1473478479;asciilifeform;aite.
1539063;1473478484;mircea_popescu;rather.
1539064;1473478615;mircea_popescu;!~google hrotsvitha
1539065;1473478616;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Hrotsvitha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrotsvitha>; Hrotsvitha von Gandersheim - Women's History - About.com: <http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medgermansaints/p/hrotsvitha.htm>; Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim – FREE Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim ...: <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3446400099.html>
1539066;1473478624;mircea_popescu;not a bad name huh.
1539067;1473478782;trinque;thestringpuller: I was establishing some ways to measure the current throughput of the world's financial system, not crediting any particular entity with this throughput.
1539068;1473478813;trinque;kill half the earth, you could still have a world where 1mb blocks do not hold all the financial exchange
1539069;1473478815;trinque;this is fine
1539070;1473478835;mircea_popescu;well looky, consumer payments aren't really financial exchange. they're you know, cc payments.
1539071;1473478849;mircea_popescu;financial exchanges are a different kettle of fish, usually happen on actual exchanges.
1539072;1473478856;trinque;right, accounting rather
1539073;1473478857;mircea_popescu;and considering the amount of frontrunning etc...
1539074;1473478869;thestringpuller;trinque: sure. but from my experience with payment processors they only exist because people don't know how to use money.
1539075;1473478885;thestringpuller;hence deframentation problem
1539076;1473478892;trinque;the inability to hold to a particular topic is astonishing
1539077;1473478961;trinque;more importantly, the willingness to ignore instances in one's own day where he bought a screwdriver or roll of toilet paper...
1539078;1473478985;mircea_popescu;you know i used no credit cards this year ?
1539079;1473479001;trinque;doesn't the paper count in this context?
1539080;1473479007;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or, iirc, any other year
1539081;1473479009;thestringpuller;trinque: lemme simplify - from my experience the throughput of a payment processor is due specifically to the devolution of the use of money.
1539082;1473479024;thestringpuller;CUZ CONSOOMER HAS COME TO EXPECT
1539083;1473479029;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah. it took a lot of finessing to geting here!
1539084;1473479034;trinque;thestringpuller: would you fucking speak in specifics
1539085;1473479060;trinque;instead of quoting slogans out of things people said (where they actually had context with gave them meaning!!!)
1539086;1473479063;trinque;*which
1539087;1473479147;thestringpuller;okay for instance the prepaid card exists specifically to gouge poor people. each time you use the thing, you have undisclosed fees (which was closed when russell simmons got sued over rush card in 2011/2012). loyalty programs exist to increase tx volume so people "spend more". every initiative at the payment processor level is to create bloat.
1539088;1473479154;mircea_popescu;trinque if paper counts then we got a problem because i suspect it makes txn uncountable.
1539089;1473479273;thestringpuller;trinque: from my point of view it's better to buy 1 year of netflix in cash from a store than to have them charge your debit card 12 times throughout the year.
1539090;1473479309;trinque;oh, and netflix received cash from you, did it
1539091;1473479332;trinque;"I have decided how the world works and will now run around picking phenomena from it as fits my narrative."
1539092;1473479342;asciilifeform;eh if visa dings him 5bux every time he pulls it from the holster
1539093;1473479356;mircea_popescu;at least it's one payment vs 12...
1539094;1473479361;thestringpuller;^
1539095;1473479386;thestringpuller;the point i'm making is the payment industry WANTS to bloat payments. they prefer 12 payments to 1 payment
1539096;1473479395;mircea_popescu;this much is true.
1539097;1473479408;trinque;you are not going to find orders of magnitude change in removing that from the bulk of payments
1539098;1473479415;asciilifeform;even with 'normal people' visa, every payment chances to incur, e.g., overdraft fee
1539099;1473479415;trinque;loyalty does precisely dick for sales
1539100;1473479418;trinque;for example
1539101;1473479422;mircea_popescu;and i suppose if the ulterior point here is that of those supposed 100mn txn or w/e, 90% are just there to be there ; it has some legs to stqand on.
1539102;1473479429;trinque;ther eis a whole round of dead shartups on that idiot idea
1539103;1473479430;asciilifeform;so all else equal, they want chump to pay N times, vs 1.
1539104;1473479444;trinque;the 10% is still bigger than a block
1539105;1473479450;mircea_popescu;surely.
1539106;1473479450;asciilifeform;because potentially each time incurs 50bux of overdraft, etc.
1539107;1473479460;thestringpuller;trinque: This doesn't change the fact the initiative trend towards bloat rather than efficiency.
1539108;1473479472;thestringpuller;Regardless of how delusional the payment industry is.
1539109;1473479484;mircea_popescu;there's a bigger effect at stake : if you take the 100mn, and trim them to the top 0.001% say, to fit in blocks, you will get the bottommost tranche of this dutch autction say 1mn dollars (random number)
1539110;1473479499;mircea_popescu;if you trim the txn to remove bloat, and then take only 0.01% that still fits in blocks
1539111;1473479511;mircea_popescu;you STILL Get about the same monetary value as the bottommost tranche of your dutch auction
1539112;1473479572;mircea_popescu;ie, whether you fit 0.001% of bloated cc txn or 0.01% of trimmed cc txn, the smallest txn you include will still be ~same.
1539113;1473479603;trinque;there was another thread where it was discussed that the common person would merely operate out of an account held by his lord, and everyone bobbled heads at that because the framing felt good.
1539114;1473479633;trinque;now because the real world example of existing payments is used, it triggers the immune system.
1539115;1473479636;asciilifeform;iirc the gypsies work this way already.
1539116;1473479638;mircea_popescu;well if it's discussed with slavegirls and a great pink fuzzy harem with soft velvety marbles and foggy complex pools... then yes@
1539117;1473479675;mircea_popescu;incidentally, take that modern science of materials : i want velvety marble. always wanted it.
1539118;1473479677;trinque;I'm just gonna end every statement I make with "and there will be sluts"
1539119;1473479678;mircea_popescu;where the fuck is it already.
1539120;1473479686;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in 'doom II'.
1539121;1473479691;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1539122;1473479705;mircea_popescu;i wanted it from before doom!
1539123;1473479725;asciilifeform;i want the blue velvety nazi panels from 'wolfenstein'.
1539124;1473479778;trinque;sluts from duke nukem pls
1539125;1473479790;mircea_popescu;oh ? did i miss out ?
1539126;1473479794;*;mircea_popescu not much for shooters.
1539127;1473479805;mircea_popescu;!~google sluts from duke nukem pls
1539128;1473479807;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Amazon.com: Duke Nukem Forever - Playstation 3: Video Games: <https://www.amazon.com/Duke-Nukem-Forever-Playstation-3/dp/B002I0JBL4>; Duke Nukem Forever Babes Kitty Pousoix - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DyMGKN7jw37k>; Duke Nukem Forever - Actually Done - Page 4 - ozfortress: <http://ozfortress.com/showthread.php%3Fp%3D673315>
1539129;1473479841;*;asciilifeform last proper 'shooter' was 'quake 1' on a 486, at ~7 frame/sec.
1539130;1473479870;thestringpuller;http://twinstiq.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/duke-stripper.jpg
1539131;1473479880;thestringpuller;^- i remember if you gae them cash they'd strip
1539132;1473479883;mircea_popescu;Framedragger log rendition of jhv includes >; and > in the url ?
1539133;1473479895;mircea_popescu;ummm
1539134;1473479938;mircea_popescu;then again - beats larry.
1539135;1473480073;asciilifeform;'WAT A PERVERT!111' (tm) (r) (lsl)
1539136;1473480114;asciilifeform;hey did we ever have thread re the 'culture test' in lsl ?
1539137;1473480115;mircea_popescu;lol
1539138;1473480119;mircea_popescu;i think i even have trhqat pic
1539139;1473480139;asciilifeform;i only found out late in life that it was actually a 'book code' copyprotection thing.
1539140;1473480156;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/leisure-suit-pervert.png
1539141;1473480168;asciilifeform;l0l! yes!
1539142;1473480173;asciilifeform;so we must've had thread re subj.
1539143;1473480179;mircea_popescu;i think so
1539144;1473480193;asciilifeform;$#s leisure suit
1539145;1473480197;asciilifeform;hm
1539146;1473480211;asciilifeform;!#s leisure suit
1539147;1473480212;mircea_popescu;article is aug 5th 2015
1539148;1473480215;asciilifeform;$s leisure suit
1539149;1473480215;a111;6 results for "leisure suit", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=leisure%20suit
1539150;1473480249;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-13#1129920 <<<< there.
1539151;1473480249;a111;Logged on 2015-05-13 04:00 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://maakal.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/leisure-suit-larry-age-verification.html
1539152;1473480298;asciilifeform;http://allowe.com/games/larry/tips-manuals/lsl1-age-quiz.html << timeless lel.
1539153;1473480298;mircea_popescu;o yeah the factory where they made spares!
1539154;1473481293;*;thestringpuller ponders if mircea_popescu is the real life Raymond Reddington
1539155;1473481741;mircea_popescu;whossat
1539156;1473484517;mircea_popescu;!!up vinimore
1539157;1473484518;deedbot;vinimore voiced for 30 minutes.
1539158;1473484529;vinimore;#Eurola
1539159;1473484531;mircea_popescu;heh carnage.
1539160;1473484566;vinimore;wait... how do I go to the chat again?
1539161;1473484629;mircea_popescu; /join #eulora
1539162;1473484737;vinimore;it says I'm the only user hahaha
1539163;1473484756;mircea_popescu;no ? mind the typing.
1539164;1473484760;vinimore;my adress
1539165;1473484761;vinimore;1Bt6S6aP5BH618ZFp2e1LZEmDZW53Ur4mS
1539166;1473484766;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1539167;1473484923;vinimore;is there anything else I can do?
1539168;1473484948;mircea_popescu;not right now ; i'm about to go to bed. but prolly tomorrow ; and besides there's other people who want to hire noobs, so ask in chan
1539169;1473485084;vinimore;alright! :)
1539170;1473485087;vinimore;going to bed too
1539171;1473485180;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/09/why-i-work-out/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Why I work out.
1539172;1473507792;mircea_popescu;!!key Lestat9
1539173;1473507792;deedbot;No such key.
1539174;1473510809;mircea_popescu;and in other pi delta chi news : sluts can't spell. http://66.media.tumblr.com/fd8ac4df3e24c750579697d584510b07/tumblr_od52zaeZCw1ud9ntao1_1280.jpg
1539175;1473510866;shinohai;Our beloved fleanode has been cranky I see
1539176;1473511436;shinohai;I kinda wish BitBet was still around in old form to bet on how many of these "companies" will still be around in 12 months https://bnktothefuture.com/search/pitches
1539177;1473513405;mircea_popescu;hard to properly word a "company not around" clause is the problem. according to usg, ibm and cisco are both "still around".
1539178;1473513560;mircea_popescu;!~later tell covertress http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/597s4/?raw=true << fix your znc.
1539179;1473513560;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1539180;1473513621;mircea_popescu;in other news, check out the redundancy on that chick, three different block As.
1539181;1473519531;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539176 << fountain of lulz. e.g., 'Loyyal 'Pre-Series A' - The Internet of Loyalty'
1539182;1473519531;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 12:43 shinohai: I kinda wish BitBet was still around in old form to bet on how many of these "companies" will still be around in 12 months https://bnktothefuture.com/search/pitches
1539183;1473519589;asciilifeform;and hey, various ancient scams still zombieing along
1539184;1473519618;asciilifeform;'factom', even
1539185;1473519624;asciilifeform;$s factom
1539186;1473519625;a111;13 results for "factom", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=factom
1539187;1473519629;covertress;thank you, mircea_popescu. as you can see, i'm having connectivity problems today with my hurricane-damaged isp.
1539188;1473519930;mircea_popescu;and in other feminist gamer news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBzsahr4chg
1539189;1473521069;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/a-complete-theory-of-politics/ << Trilema - A complete theory of politics
1539190;1473521534;mod6;mornin'
1539191;1473521628;shinohai;o/ mod6 the African build went fine btw
1539192;1473521639;mod6;jurov: will there be a monthly Treasury report coming through for The Bitcoin Foundation?
1539193;1473521659;mod6;shinohai: awesome!
1539194;1473521670;mod6;yea, my offline build worked great too.
1539195;1473521722;shinohai;Will try offline build today when I get a bit more organized
1539196;1473521820;mod6;cool man
1539197;1473522502;covertress;submitted for everyone's listening pleasure and philosophical debate: Stefan Molyneux | The Deadly Superstition of Human Rights (and other gems) https://youtu.be/ewSaQ9u5lwU
1539198;1473522538;asciilifeform;$s molyneux
1539199;1473522538;a111;4 results for "molyneux", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=molyneux
1539200;1473522559;covertress;:) ty asciilifeform
1539201;1473522669;asciilifeform;iirc he's one of the mr.mold-style americanized faux-anarchy fellas.
1539202;1473522898;phf;(hmm, a111 lost that message during reconciliation, going to fix that issue..)
1539203;1473523380;phf;ok fixed
1539204;1473523399;asciilifeform;neato phf . it worx.
1539205;1473523519;mircea_popescu;o speaking of lost messages...
1539206;1473523569;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#323 << ahaha check it out, he has it.
1539207;1473523570;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-10: [05:24:47] <vinimore> going to bed too
1539208;1473523575;*;mircea_popescu was convinced it'd be missing
1539209;1473523689;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#368 << i'm not going to listen to audio ; but seems he's spreading the gospel neh ?
1539210;1473523689;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-10: [15:51:09] <asciilifeform> iirc he's one of the mr.mold-style americanized faux-anarchy fellas.
1539211;1473523722;*;asciilifeform can't be arsed to listen to it either, he's listening to police radio and it is gut-bustingly hilarious
1539212;1473523731;mircea_popescu;"i have my liberty and i dun need your dumb head to give me no rights" as far as ancient trilemisms go
1539213;1473524279;mircea_popescu;!~bc,stats
1539214;1473524279;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "bc,stats" is not a valid command.
1539215;1473524283;mircea_popescu;!~stats
1539216;1473524283;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins.
1539217;1473524293;mircea_popescu;hm
1539218;1473524332;shinohai;!bcstats
1539219;1473524339;shinohai;!~bcstats
1539220;1473524341;jhvh1;shinohai: Current Blocks: 429146 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 261 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 18 hours, 54 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1539221;1473524386;mircea_popescu;ah ty
1539222;1473524415;shinohai;I didn't like the extra comma, twas removed
1539223;1473524419;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: molyneux cribs from trilema with regards to the 'rights' fiction but then takes that perfectly reasoned (and seasoned) protein and tries to cook it... non-violently
1539224;1473524422;pete_dushenski;iirc
1539225;1473524509;pete_dushenski;ends up with usual probiotic vegan fare obv., because killing anything more than a carrot is mean mkay
1539226;1473524827;shinohai;How dare you pete_dushenski, Apiaceae lives matter too.
1539227;1473524837;mircea_popescu;yeah well, whatcha gonna do you know ?
1539228;1473525002;pete_dushenski;shinohai: i guess there's always eating sterilised dirt
1539229;1473525083;shinohai;What about all those poor microorganisms that would suffer and die in the dirt during the sterilization process?
1539230;1473525157;mircea_popescu;they'll go to the great kitty litter in heaven ; which nobody ever changes.
1539231;1473525162;pete_dushenski;better they die in the ovens than being slowly and painfully digested by stomach enzymes. sterilisation is the humane kill, like kosher neck slitting
1539232;1473525192;*;pete_dushenski goes to check kitty litter to see if it needs changing
1539233;1473525196;shinohai;lol
1539234;1473525612;*;pete_dushenski returns to see that kitty litter is fine but that he's waaay behind on trilema
1539235;1473527869;covertress;there's always soylent. people, not https://www.soylent.com/ - further, i agree with you adlai, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-10#1047512
1539236;1473527869;a111;Logged on 2015-03-10 11:48 adlai: what really amazed/disappointed me was that NONE of the initial press coverage of 'soylent cream' mentioned 'soylent green'
1539237;1473527923;mircea_popescu;coupla comments turn into 6k words in the blink of an eye.
1539238;1473527976;shinohai;See yesterdays gossipd thread
1539239;1473528007;mircea_popescu;this is not the worst though. there's some 5-6-700 comment articles from back in the romanian days.
1539240;1473528056;*;shinohai needs a Romanian camwhore to help fast=track his language development.
1539241;1473528098;mircea_popescu;shouldn't be that hard to find.
1539242;1473528193;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: on my trilema gorge sesh i noticed a linking inconsistency in the elliot chronicles. all subsequent parts link to their direct predecessors with the exception of http://trilema.com/2016/the-story-of-elliot-rodger-by-elliot-rodger-adnotated-part-three/ which links to part one.
1539243;1473528214;mircea_popescu;ah! lettuce fix then
1539244;1473528352;BingoBoingo;He called it lettuce!
1539245;1473528447;pete_dushenski;prolly meant spinach
1539246;1473528465;BingoBoingo;Nah, James wanted to introduce him to spinach
1539247;1473528466;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what's going on...
1539248;1473528487;BingoBoingo;RTFF - Real Time Fan Fiction
1539249;1473528500;mircea_popescu;btw, have you ever notice how many girls call spinach spinagge ?
1539250;1473528555;pete_dushenski;in other alpha greens, i can totally get behind the definition of 'alpha male' that doesn't involve maintaining palaces full of harem girls. a deep sigh of relief was breathed across the land.
1539251;1473528572;mircea_popescu;heh.
1539252;1473528641;pete_dushenski;mostly because that many harem girls required a shedload of eunichs to keep a lid on things, which in turn require a whole castration and selection mechanism and doctors and nurses and orphanages and on and on and on
1539253;1473528669;mircea_popescu;you mean euniggs.
1539254;1473528689;*;mircea_popescu highfives himself for the most contortedly elaborate constructed joke in human history.
1539255;1473528694;pete_dushenski;blackies do make fine specimens
1539256;1473528697;mircea_popescu;take that, RTJJ!
1539257;1473528819;pete_dushenski;i guess the white ones woulda been euwhiggas or something
1539258;1473528830;pete_dushenski;sounds greek even
1539259;1473528941;shinohai;mircea_popescu	you mean euniggs.   <<< top kek
1539260;1473529009;pete_dushenski;shinohai: speaking of keksicles, did you get a bash page up yet ?
1539261;1473529044;pete_dushenski;i'd be happy to help moderate it, or even host it if need be
1539262;1473529048;shinohai;Imma try and have it up by first of week, I got sidetracked with this trb makefile thing
1539263;1473529094;shinohai;But yeah, appreciate the offer of help. I miss perusing the bash-ism and really want that feature back.
1539264;1473529144;pete_dushenski;np, lemma know if you need me :)
1539265;1473529190;shinohai;bash.contravex.com
1539266;1473529248;pete_dushenski;sure!
1539267;1473529262;shinohai;Kinda has a ring to it!
1539268;1473529452;pete_dushenski;ok well ima set that up and we'll go from there.
1539269;1473529683;pete_dushenski;bbl.
1539270;1473530185;ben_vulpes;phf: that's my fault, uploaded a genesis.vpatch.sig
1539271;1473534017;phf;four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1 http://btcbase.org/patches/rm_rf_upnp and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip
1539272;1473534023;shinohai;http://archive.is/W6xmf   <<< this will end well for sure
1539273;1473534031;phf;^ cc asciilifeform
1539274;1473537815;covertress;to see the farm, is to leave it ┻━┻︵  \(°□°)/ ︵ ┻━┻ https://youtu.be/KdL5y6ZuBic
1539275;1473537932;BingoBoingo;Uh, no. You must go to farm to see farm.
1539276;1473538449;mircea_popescu;who bought the farm ?
1539277;1473538467;BingoBoingo;eggog
1539278;1473538621;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#451 << ahh, all that lovely red.
1539279;1473538621;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-10: [19:00:17] <phf> four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1 http://btcbase.org/patches/rm_rf_upnp and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip
1539280;1473538626;mircea_popescu;violence IS the answer.
1539281;1473538662;shinohai;It's the most effective tool of the Republic!
1539282;1473541654;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-5-tmr/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 5 (TM)(R)
1539283;1473543426;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5182
1539284;1473543598;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539271 << lol how did this get urlsnipped
1539285;1473543598;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 19:00 phf: four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1 http://btcbase.org/patches/rm_rf_upnp and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip
1539286;1473543650;phf;asciilifeform: shitty url "parser" :> i've been meaning to replace it, but i'm working on something else right now
1539287;1473543668;asciilifeform;'CoinTelegraph author Rebecca Campbell asked "If Bitcoin Had Sex, Could It Be Female?"' << wat
1539288;1473543686;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://searchengineland.com/european-court-says-linking-illegal-content-copyright-infringement-258442
1539289;1473544002;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5172
1539290;1473544023;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Twas a headline with too much "Wat" not to round up xtend
1539291;1473546323;mircea_popescu;hey, rebecca does what she can.
1539292;1473546364;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "began to alleges"
1539293;1473546899;mircea_popescu;Framedragger tried that elena thing ; lots of lols were had.
1539294;1473547034;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1539295;1473547157;mircea_popescu;“WE CAUTION WE HOLD TH BOMB, IF ONE TRIES TO (TREACHERY) WILL DIE AND SAIDTHAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO PlAY DIE WE NEED SEVENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH OUT THE PIECE WE SEE YOU WELL AND YOUR FAMILY ARE WAITING FOR YOU AGINE NO (TREACHERY). (NB) READ 4 MINUTES SENT THE HOSTAGE BOMB WE NEED THE $75,000.00…” << check this out, spammers got omega rage from being ignored by the rich people.
1539296;1473548872;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, this is what happens when you don't build an Atlantic wall to keep spammers from becoming immigrants
1539297;1473549008;mircea_popescu;by this point, im persuaded a half hour caning session for any would be mugger would do a lot more agains the phenomenon than anything the "legal system" has to offer.
1539298;1473549016;mircea_popescu;lafond makes a good point, it's an r-strategy.
1539299;1473549059;mircea_popescu;also, calling ringo a "bank robber" is a little off ; by this token you can call every retard who broke his own pipes a plumber.
1539300;1473549083;mircea_popescu;they're just petty thieves with the wrong address, walked in the bank because to them it looks just like the 7/11
1539301;1473549245;jurov;mod6 huh i forgot?
1539302;1473549278;jurov;apparently...
1539303;1473549558;mircea_popescu;"I have never had a need to believe. Though this mental state of apostasy has saved me the anger that accompanies the disillusioned man in his 30s who finally discovers that some important pillar of his life was built upon a lie, it is no sign of superior intellect." << lafond in peak form.
1539304;1473549698;jurov;mod6: fxd
1539305;1473549796;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539300 << here in the heart of mordor (and quite likely elsewhere in the land of the phreeee) the banks react. i.e. they are abolishing walk-in rooms with tellers etc. entirely. atm or gtfo.
1539306;1473549796;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 23:11 mircea_popescu: they're just petty thieves with the wrong address, walked in the bank because to them it looks just like the 7/11
1539307;1473549820;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1539308;1473549830;mircea_popescu;who the fuck in his right mind wants to go talk to a teller.
1539309;1473549835;asciilifeform;~nobody
1539310;1473549844;asciilifeform;esp. not after the machines happily eat cheques etc.
1539311;1473549853;mod6;thanks jurov
1539312;1473549856;mircea_popescu;the poor got their ebt or w/e it is ; fuse banks with restaurants, they can have a waiter to take your order and a bank teller. who the fuck heard of this, seated servant before me standing ?!
1539313;1473549861;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: and eat bills as well these days
1539314;1473549864;*;asciilifeform hasn't been inside a bank in ~decade
1539315;1473549879;asciilifeform;not counting that incident with the box (in logs a few yrs ago)
1539316;1473549906;mircea_popescu;esp in the 80s, they had those ridiculous complicated paths cordoned off...
1539317;1473549940;mircea_popescu;"nigga, i wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire, who the fuck do you imagine is going through artistic queue movements."
1539318;1473549951;asciilifeform;what 80s
1539319;1473549953;asciilifeform;now also.
1539320;1473549961;asciilifeform;in places where there are still walk-in bank.
1539321;1473550041;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539285 << why does ben_vulpes not show up on, e.g., genesis ?
1539322;1473550041;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 21:39 a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 19:00 phf: four vpatches have been certified by the vulpes family, http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1 http://btcbase.org/patches/rm_rf_upnp and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip
1539323;1473550083;asciilifeform;(or anywhere else)
1539324;1473550084;asciilifeform;bug in viewer ?
1539325;1473550104;ben_vulpes;nah, i show up elsewhere
1539326;1473550113;asciilifeform;ah hm yes
1539327;1473550117;asciilifeform;further downstream
1539328;1473550121;ben_vulpes;getting to it
1539329;1473550163;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke << did i ever tell phf how much i enjoy looking at the colours ?
1539330;1473550184;asciilifeform;it is a more or less perfect vscope.
1539331;1473550259;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/malleus_mikehearnificarum << what happened here, phf ? i know i signed malleus and versionstring (i wrote'em) ?
1539332;1473550511;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1539333;1473550811;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1538902 << you'll probably find this as useful as any other rodent carcass left on your pillow, but over the last 2 months i've racked my own metal, migrated out of virtualization to the new box, ported my blog to mp-wp, and stood the obvious tmsr services up on the new box (blog, paster, node). it doesn't look like much from the outside, but paying down debt of necessity
1539334;1473550811;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 02:04 asciilifeform: i like ben_vulpes but he has not been catching mice.
1539335;1473550813;ben_vulpes;means not buying new shinies.
1539336;1473552307;phf;asciilifeform: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/ ask mod6, but i suspect that both were reground, and you didn't resign either since that happened
1539337;1473552334;phf;also ben_vulpes was redoing his patches for technical reasons
1539338;1473552420;asciilifeform;phf: wai wat
1539339;1473552470;phf;ha
1539340;1473552481;phf;a111 can't even
1539341;1473552530;asciilifeform;http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/11420140210147.jpg << oblig.
1539342;1473552617;phf;asciilifeform: well, if you look at the seals folder you'll noticed that your sigs for the two patches are not there either, nor do i have them in my backup. since i remember meticulously going over mailing list and collecting vpatches and sigs, then correlating them to what mod6 had, then ... etc. etc. i suspect that there's some reason for why they are missing but i don't remember what it is. i suspect that it has something to do with regrinds t
1539343;1473552617;phf;hat happened at some point?
1539344;1473553081;mod6;phf: if you're talking about 'malleus_mikehearnificarum' and 'programmable-versionstring' then you'd be correct. they were reground, and never resigned by alf.
1539345;1473553090;asciilifeform;hm.
1539346;1473553304;mod6;in fact, i think you said that you wouldn't sign them.
1539347;1473553311;asciilifeform;waiwat
1539348;1473553313;asciilifeform;link?
1539349;1473553321;mod6;i dunno, it was back in the day.
1539350;1473553331;asciilifeform;i'd like to know if i actually said such a thing
1539351;1473553352;mod6;im not gonna worry about it. i went through some pain to get them exactly reground correctly, you checked them (iirc) and said they were "correct." but that was pretty much the end of it.
1539352;1473553360;asciilifeform;i will sign.
1539353;1473553369;mod6;i don't have time to dig it up. but.. i might be mis-remembering
1539354;1473553369;asciilifeform;where was that hopper phf made, again
1539355;1473553392;BingoBoingo;I think I vaguely remember. Something, something, makework, may have been argument
1539356;1473553396;mod6;anyway, please, check out the reground ones, make sure they look good, and if you feel good about 'em, send me a sig :]
1539357;1473553692;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#520 << sounds good, actually.
1539358;1473553741;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#11 << mice come back to biteche!
1539359;1473553741;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-11: [00:18:10] <asciilifeform> hm.
1539360;1473553891;phf;asciilifeform: just wotpaste'em to channel
1539361;1473554198;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/extracting-and-hashing-bitcoin-block-headers << CH - Extracting and Hashing Bitcoin Block Headers
1539362;1473554384;mircea_popescu;phf does a111 autoprocess patches from chan or do you just do by hand ?
1539363;1473554437;phf;mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
1539364;1473554455;mircea_popescu;a very greedy patchatron might be a good idea eventually.
1539365;1473554515;phf;true, but right now the number of patches is so low i go out of my way to grab anything i can find anyway
1539366;1473554532;mod6;this is a good thing.
1539367;1473554566;mod6;it takes time to read through these things and validate their correctness.
1539368;1473554604;mircea_popescu;honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
1539369;1473554739;BingoBoingo;THe ability to do 30 continuous minutes of secretarial work ought to be up there with the ability to load a half ton of topsoil into a truck as a bare minimum requirement for employabilitit
1539370;1473554741;mircea_popescu;and of course the "256 bytes that changed the world" thing referenced from one raddcliffe's "codesupository" blogspot blog is gone.
1539371;1473554841;mircea_popescu;"It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes.  In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later.  I don't know why/how this occurs."
1539372;1473554842;mircea_popescu;heh.
1539373;1473554910;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539363 << i could've sworn there was a hopper i could drop into
1539374;1473554910;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 00:40 phf: mircea_popescu: i just do it by hand
1539375;1473554929;mircea_popescu;i vaguely recall this too, but maybe it was a temporary thing
1539376;1473554936;asciilifeform;possibly.
1539377;1473554949;mircea_popescu;of course !#patch http://blabla works
1539378;1473554962;asciilifeform;waiwat
1539379;1473554964;asciilifeform;that exists ?
1539380;1473554967;asciilifeform;what's it connected to ?
1539381;1473554976;mircea_popescu;no i mean. ~could work~.
1539382;1473554982;asciilifeform;ah - yes.
1539383;1473555019;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539371 << such cosmic ray !
1539384;1473555019;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 00:47 mircea_popescu: "It is important to note that it is possible that instead of finding the magic ID, you instead find a bunch of zero bytes.  In my own copy of the blockchain I have encountered a case when parsing through a .dat file, where the header is missing. Instead there is a large block of zero bytes and then the blockchain picks up again later.  I don't know why/how this occurs."
1539385;1473555028;asciilifeform;i keep forgetting what knobs the heathens lack
1539386;1473555034;asciilifeform;in this case, evidently, '--verifyall'
1539387;1473555041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, the code he's using (bitcoin qt! dude's a total eth-dork) is really shitty.
1539388;1473555067;mircea_popescu;"Another important note needs to be made here.  The block-length is *not* equal to the amount of data in the block!  Meaning, after you read the last entry in a block, that offset often can be, and will be, *less* than the total length of the block reported.  Your parser must take this into account and seek the file pointer to wherever the next location in the file is indicated by the block length value." << another example
1539389;1473555083;mircea_popescu;"does this mean media wastage ?" "wut"
1539390;1473555102;asciilifeform;this is illustrated in my blkcut.
1539391;1473555106;mircea_popescu;aha.
1539392;1473555117;asciilifeform;blkcutting is O(N).
1539393;1473555122;asciilifeform;because tards.
1539394;1473555126;mircea_popescu;kinda why i'm reading through this spec ben_vulpes dug up.
1539395;1473555152;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539361 << aaah
1539396;1473555152;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 00:36 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/extracting-and-hashing-bitcoin-block-headers << CH - Extracting and Hashing Bitcoin Block Headers
1539397;1473555157;asciilifeform;binary-types rocks.
1539398;1473555157;mircea_popescu;yea
1539399;1473555160;asciilifeform;i learned of it from naggum.
1539400;1473555225;asciilifeform;it is interesting because it illustrates the CORRECT way to do 'formats'
1539401;1473555239;asciilifeform;i.e. to specify the relationship between the bits and the logical meanings thereof.
1539402;1473555244;asciilifeform;ada has similar mechanism also.
1539403;1473555278;asciilifeform;after learning this, orcish code where SEPARATE 'eaters' and 'shitters' for binary turdolade are seen, turns the stomach.
1539404;1473555329;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes gives a marvelous example of binary-types usage in subj link.
1539405;1473555375;mircea_popescu;this guy is pissing me off.
1539406;1473555395;asciilifeform;who the hell is ratcliff anyway
1539407;1473555422;mircea_popescu;one of.
1539408;1473555455;asciilifeform;snore of an article. ~everything in there is easier found in the code.
1539409;1473555475;asciilifeform;who, i wonder, is the intended reader of this.
1539410;1473555475;mircea_popescu;no but his considerations on the subject of time!
1539411;1473555478;mircea_popescu;his oppinion
1539412;1473555480;mircea_popescu;motherfucker...
1539413;1473555513;asciilifeform;where's that
1539414;1473555542;mircea_popescu;grep for "government work"
1539415;1473555574;asciilifeform;'I do not know why Satoshi did not decide to include a transaction time stamp.  It's only 4 bytes, and it is a valuable piece of information that people really need access to.  For now, all you can do is use the timestamp of the block and hope that's close enough for government work.  And by government work, I mean close enough for tax and accounting purposes.  Since the value of bitcoin is very volatile and can go up and down by mas
1539416;1473555574;asciilifeform;sive amounts over a short period of time, clearly this coarse and inaccurate timing value is woefully inadequate.' << ?
1539417;1473555588;mircea_popescu;few paragraphs around there yes
1539418;1473555625;asciilifeform;i dun get it. what would be the use of a tx timestamp
1539419;1473555629;mircea_popescu;anyway. all these variable length integers are a fucking eyesore.
1539420;1473555655;asciilifeform;they certainly have 0 justification in bitcoin
1539421;1473555666;asciilifeform;srsly, to reduce space taken up by 32-bit nulls
1539422;1473555669;asciilifeform;is all they really do there.
1539423;1473555671;mircea_popescu;make a pile of fixed output hashes, construct a variable length format to hold it all
1539424;1473555678;mircea_popescu;what fucking school of retards is this.
1539425;1473555684;asciilifeform;it isn't pgp where you might have a 16384-bit key or a 1024 etc.
1539426;1473555714;mircea_popescu;and moreover, if you DO variable length, then do proper fucking variable length. everywhere.
1539427;1473555715;asciilifeform;even THERE ordinary run-length compressor would solve same problem
1539428;1473555723;asciilifeform;without cluttering up the bottom logic layer.
1539429;1473555725;asciilifeform;think about it.
1539430;1473555730;mircea_popescu;no, i know./
1539431;1473555741;asciilifeform;why do folks force compression into bignumatron ?
1539432;1473555749;asciilifeform;quite the mystery to asciilifeform .
1539433;1473555773;mircea_popescu;because they were raised by a single woman married to a single man in a house with a single room, one chair and one teacup.
1539434;1473555831;asciilifeform;eh plenty of functional folk grew up in single-hut, single-cow etc. pre-ww2 ru etc.
1539435;1473555855;mircea_popescu;yes ; but the ones that didn't turn out functional didn't because of it ; the ones that did, they did in spite of it.
1539436;1473555872;mircea_popescu;"plenty of smart people on ivy league campuses" "sure, and plenty of happy jews in auschwitz."
1539437;1473555900;asciilifeform;auschwitz had > notable graduates as harvard, in the period it existed.
1539438;1473555907;asciilifeform;jack tramiel, for instance.
1539439;1473555923;mircea_popescu;so i hear.
1539440;1473555951;asciilifeform;you can tell something interesting about modern usa that it fellates steve jobs but not jack tramiel.
1539441;1473555982;mircea_popescu;wasn't on tv.
1539442;1473555991;asciilifeform;tramiel is sorta like that cartoon co. manager mircea_popescu described in old article
1539443;1473555996;asciilifeform;what was his name...
1539444;1473556001;asciilifeform;the 'not sexy but works' fella
1539445;1473556003;mircea_popescu;quimby
1539446;1473556005;asciilifeform;aha!
1539447;1473556010;asciilifeform;him.
1539448;1473556029;asciilifeform;$s tramiel
1539449;1473556030;a111;15 results for "tramiel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tramiel
1539450;1473556035;asciilifeform;^ looks like we had thread.
1539451;1473556199;asciilifeform;to revisit this wonderful digression, i've long suspected that the notion that 'great conditions' are great for output, and 'harsh gulag' - not, is not exactly true.
1539452;1473556212;asciilifeform;consider the sharashka folk, etc.
1539453;1473556220;mircea_popescu;what are you talking about. it is exactly false.
1539454;1473556226;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1539455;1473556228;mircea_popescu;worst thing you can do for kids is make it easy for them
1539456;1473556235;asciilifeform;vs modern american engineer who gets 28 flavours of ice cream in company cafe.
1539457;1473556277;mircea_popescu;holy shit apparently this guy's cca 2014 windoze prb stores blockchain in 128mb files, 100+ of them by that point ?
1539458;1473556320;asciilifeform;after the leveldb thing aha.
1539459;1473556328;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1539460;1473556363;mircea_popescu;iirc windows doesn't handle more than 64k files per directory ? neh ?
1539461;1473556379;asciilifeform;575 of these by now.
1539462;1473556387;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2*16 * 128 * 2*20
1539463;1473556389;asciilifeform;( i still have one of these things going in the dungeon )
1539464;1473556391;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2*16 * 128 * 2*20 = 163840
1539465;1473556395;mircea_popescu;!~calc 2**16 * 128 * 2**20
1539466;1473556401;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 2**16 * 128 * 2**20 = 8796093022208
1539467;1473556421;mircea_popescu;so hard limit at 8tb ?
1539468;1473556438;asciilifeform;seems like.
1539469;1473556443;mircea_popescu;but this is ... insane ?
1539470;1473556458;asciilifeform;sanity on winblows is precious as rubies.
1539471;1473556463;asciilifeform;ain't much of it to be had.
1539472;1473556470;mod6;more, i'd say.
1539473;1473556477;mircea_popescu;rubies aren't that rare.
1539474;1473556481;mod6;ya
1539475;1473556482;mircea_popescu;a good fuck is ~= equivalent.
1539476;1473556579;mircea_popescu;"Binary-types is *not* helpful in reading files with variable bit-length code-words, such as most compressed file formats. It will basically only work with file-formats based on 8-bit bytes (octets). Also, at this time no floating-point types are supported out of the box. The ieee-floats library might be useful."
1539477;1473556581;mircea_popescu;aaahem.
1539478;1473556591;*;asciilifeform as a small kid thought that laser ~demanded~ ruby, and that this was the reason why there were not lasers everywhere in orc household
1539479;1473556605;mircea_popescu;we were just wondering why, right ? well, here's a coincidental why : this way, it dun work natively with lisp
1539480;1473556622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not especially hard to bolt on variable fields.
1539481;1473556634;asciilifeform;( perhaps next lunchtime project for ben_vulpes )
1539482;1473556640;mircea_popescu;i'm an anthropologist! i look for these things!
1539483;1473556652;asciilifeform;the seeker - will find. aha.
1539484;1473556718;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ingress and egress, if you wish. though they refer to entrance and exit by willing agents under their own power.
1539485;1473556922;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1539486;1473561251;pete_dushenski;shinohai, phf, ben_vulpes would one of you gents be do kind as to pass along a signed copy of the wp-mp pkg ?
1539487;1473561896;pete_dushenski;so kind*
1539488;1473562206;pete_dushenski;"A U.S. government safety agency on Friday urged all consumers to stop using Samsung Galaxy Note 7 phones, which are prone to catch fire, and top airlines globally banned their use during flights.
1539489;1473562215;pete_dushenski;" << safety first kids
1539490;1473562457;pete_dushenski;usg.aapl badly needs the negative press for its primary opponent as iphone 7 plus is set to launch with ~no useful upgrades other than double-lensed camera.
1539491;1473562471;pete_dushenski;how convenient.
1539492;1473562981;pete_dushenski;"Pence and his wife, Karen, reported adjusted gross income over the 10 years ranging from about $113,000 last year to over $187,000 in 2009, while the effective state and federal tax rate ranged from a low of just over 10 percent in 2013 to a high of 16.5 percent in 2014, the figures show." << in other news, this is not a bad tax rate for a us middle classman from indiana, really. vp pence is either a
1539493;1473562983;pete_dushenski;donation machine or a write-off machine.
1539494;1473563141;pete_dushenski;for comparison, "Clinton's running mate, U.S. Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia, along with his wife, Anne Holton, released 10 years of tax returns at the same time in August. They paid a federal effective tax rate of 20.3 percent on income of about $313,000 in 2015."
1539495;1473563603;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/J86hJ << speaking of problems chez one infinite loop drive, "Apple changed the focus of the project, shifting from an emphasis on designing and producing an automobile to building out the underlying technology for an autonomous vehicle."
1539496;1473563632;pete_dushenski;if this isn't pure carcoin 2.0 except with "underlying autonomous technology" instead of altcoin 2.0 "underlying blockchain technology", i don't know what is. top kek.
1539497;1473563657;pete_dushenski;"we realised that we have no business in bitcoin/auto industry so we've elected to take the easier road of pretending that our deep reserves of offshore cash can be used for anything other than mattress stuffing. if you don't mind, we're just going to plug our ears now LALALALALALA"
1539498;1473565291;phf;one floppy netbsd https://github.com/user340/fdgw2
1539499;1473565328;phf;there was some old obscure reason why we ditched openbsd. i think it was driver support on that backup gardget
1539500;1473565333;phf;err netbsd
1539501;1473567015;asciilifeform;phf: aha, it wasn't 'we', it was just me.
1539502;1473567029;asciilifeform;i even built trb for it.
1539503;1473567046;asciilifeform;but it wouldn't pogo - not without writing the nand flash driver from ~scratch.
1539504;1473569847;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: shoot! yeah. wanted an ingest/??? pair but flubbed it.
1539505;1473569868;ben_vulpes;the wisdom of asciilifeform's eat/shit is now apparent.
1539506;1473570037;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i just got the php off my hands, man
1539507;1473570236;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: and it appears that i no longer have the original tgz. shinohai ?
1539508;1473570399;mircea_popescu;in other news good god is anne holton ugyl.
1539509;1473570467;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: no worries
1539510;1473570484;mircea_popescu;phf who ditched bdsm ?
1539511;1473571363;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> in other news good god is anne holton ugyl. << omg ugh. yah, she's beat.
1539512;1473572690;mod6;ben_vulpes has signed all the patches currently available at the foundation: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9z89i/?raw=true
1539513;1473572757;mod6;his seals have been placed with the others in: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seal
1539514;1473572771;mod6;damnit, ignore that url ^
1539515;1473572784;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/seals/
1539516;1473572788;mod6;is the one ^
1539517;1473574631;pete_dushenski;!~later tell thestringpuller sorry for the delay, fire over the caddy pics when ready!
1539518;1473574631;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: The operation succeeded.
1539519;1473574671;pete_dushenski;still not clear why it's a 'dilemma' but perhaps time will tell.
1539520;1473574983;pete_dushenski;http://takimag.com/article/life_de_bois_theodore_dalrymple/print#axzz4JvSqDyZi << and now, your moment of langue de bois, fresh from the world of usg.med
1539521;1473574992;pete_dushenski;buffer 3
1539522;1473575002;pete_dushenski;lol
1539523;1473575011;pete_dushenski;g'nite y'all
1539524;1473578267;BingoBoingo;!!up wyrdmantis
1539525;1473578267;deedbot;wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes.
1539526;1473588702;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-10#1539132 << hm can you point to an example? couldn't find one
1539527;1473588702;a111;Logged on 2016-09-10 03:58 mircea_popescu: Framedragger log rendition of jhv includes >; and > in the url ?
1539528;1473589710;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: thanks for writing that design document.. http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118965 (nothing new i guess, but just a request for clarification so to speak, and trying to argue both sides, to an extent)
1539529;1473596555;mircea_popescu;ahhh such lovely weather ; sunny, balmy...
1539530;1473596568;mircea_popescu;such a pity argentina is inhabited by argentines.
1539531;1473596615;mircea_popescu;Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#217 < example.
1539532;1473596615;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-10: [03:36:56] <jhvh1> mircea_popescu: Hrotsvitha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hrotsvitha>; Hrotsvitha von Gandersheim - Women's History - About.com: <http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medgermansaints/p/hrotsvitha.htm>; Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim – FREE Hrotsvitha of Gandersheim ...: <http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3446400099.html>
1539533;1473597402;shinohai;!~later tell pete_dushenski Sure I can put you a signed copy of wp-mp up on my site if you still need.
1539534;1473597402;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1539535;1473597503;mircea_popescu;an' honestly, tis a pleasure to have who to write such stuff for ; far exceeds any sort of inconvenience in the writing.
1539536;1473597540;mircea_popescu;then again i dun think i'm the only one.
1539537;1473598374;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz,
1539538;1473598377;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
1539539;1473598378;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: I could not find an output from Google Calc for: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
1539540;1473598383;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60
1539541;1473598385;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1737 * 2.4 * 1.5 * 60 = 375192.00000000006
1539542;1473598387;mircea_popescu;right.
1539543;1473599284;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ingest is angloabomination born 1500s ; technically it'd be exgest but incomprehensible because barbarians not systematical. anyway, ingest comes from gestus, gerere, which means to carry ; hence gestant female ie pregnant and so on.
1539544;1473599340;mircea_popescu;i suppose ingest/excrete would be the english dysfunctional-but-best pair.
1539545;1473601734;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1lWb
1539546;1473601734;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1539547;1473602252;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in foreign news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/c56131990e0970f96eb97df6b794ef42/tumblr_mu97cfMTD41qewacoo4_r2_1280.jpg
1539548;1473602485;shinohai;I wonder if those turtles are infected with Baracktrema obamai
1539549;1473602497;mircea_popescu;http://sameatschildren.tumblr.com/post/45962915522/do-it-now-guide-to-proper-bra-fit-and-measuring << not altogether a bad guide ; but the part where even usians figure out their everything is practically useless, often harmful and in any case shouldn't be used might make it into a BingoBoingo xtend ?
1539550;1473602500;mircea_popescu;mostly for teh lulz.
1539551;1473605400;Framedragger;[oh shit, mkj suddenly went from 16gb disk space available to 0; bear with me]
1539552;1473605425;*;Framedragger wonders if it's the trilema-following bot army. will check
1539553;1473605498;shinohai;!!up Medow
1539554;1473605499;deedbot;Medow voiced for 30 minutes.
1539555;1473605582;Medow;$register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37
1539556;1473605610;shinohai;Medow: do it again but replace `$` with !!
1539557;1473605621;mircea_popescu;hm i thought the wiki got updated.
1539558;1473605628;Medow;!!register C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37
1539559;1473605641;mircea_popescu;Framedragger toldja.
1539560;1473605645;deedbot;Import failed for C42CCE7D70E6BE1E03CF74EFE21B028A61FD2B37.
1539561;1473605853;mircea_popescu;Medow did you upload key to sks servers ?
1539562;1473605880;Medow;No , i didn't
1539563;1473605888;Framedragger;(crazy. i'm dumping the contents of vim buffer through the literal ssh terminal, by hand, 'cause i can't save them and i need to. good times!)
1539564;1473605910;mircea_popescu;ah do that then
1539565;1473605914;shinohai;I got him covered on that mircea_popescu
1539566;1473605920;mircea_popescu;cool
1539567;1473605943;asciilifeform;happy terrorism day, gentlemen.
1539568;1473605947;mircea_popescu;Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE.
1539569;1473605949;asciilifeform;in other noose, http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-118967
1539570;1473605961;mircea_popescu;you know it pings me nao automatically alf!
1539571;1473605966;asciilifeform;neato.
1539572;1473605972;mircea_popescu;trinque made it subscribeable.
1539573;1473606077;shinohai;mircea_popescu	Framedragger this is where wizards learn their wizardry craft! BY FIRE.   <<< never a truer statement has been uttered.
1539574;1473606176;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: no objections!! this is good stuff. can't see home partition under `mount` - disk subsystem appears to have failed. (so unfortunately may not be due to bots - yet; OR.. things are even more ominous, in which case, fun!)
1539575;1473606177;Framedragger;so apparently the hosting provider which i've been paying since 2008 without sweat just went down. like, i can't load their homepage and client area. they better have a good explanation for entire cluster going down
1539576;1473606229;Framedragger;gonna learn to host tmsr stuff separately from $random_websites_for_relatives_etc , too; collateral damage much
1539577;1473606251;Framedragger;if they send me a letter saying "our network got fucked due to ddos initiated at your ip" imma laugh
1539578;1473606404;asciilifeform;in other noose, boeck delivers!1111 >> https://threatpost.com/number-of-devices-sharing-private-crypto-keys-up-sharply/120379 << guess of what there is 0 mention, etc.
1539579;1473606489;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/faRIr << and somehow we missed this gem. 'Trading in the stock of medical device manufacturer St. Jude Medical was halted Friday afternoon after a dramatic drop in its value. That drop was triggered by news of alleged vulnerabilities in the company's cardiac care devices. The vulnerability was disclosed not in a report by the company, but by security researchers partnered with Muddy Waters Capital, an investment fi
1539580;1473606489;asciilifeform;rm that had "shorted" St. Jude's stock on the information in order to profit from a drop in the stock's value. The researchers at the security firm MedSec chose to take this route to disclosure, MedSec CEO Justine Bone said, to "ensure that St. Jude Medical responds appropriately and with urgency." The partnership with a short-seller is a fundamental departure from the established approach of responsible disclosure normally taken by
1539581;1473606490;asciilifeform;researchers. But it also represents an approach that bypasses the sort of legal maneuverings and threats, suppression of information, and inaction that have been experienced by researchers who have discovered vulnerabilities in other products. Researchers who discovered a vulnerability in Volkswagen electronic engine locks, for example, were forced to withhold a paper for two years through a court injunction filed by the automaker in
1539582;1473606495;asciilifeform; 2012.'
1539583;1473606585;asciilifeform;betcha usg is as we speak in the process of writing the ban on 'hackinsider trading' or whatever claptrap.
1539584;1473606894;Framedragger;[lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
1539585;1473606897;Framedragger;]
1539586;1473606909;mircea_popescu;lol.
1539587;1473606968;mircea_popescu;but yes, there's ~no application one can work on that is going to be as seriously high demand as doing stuff here. people go through entire careers in corporate computer science without ever encountering the sort of omgwtfbbq you get for two week's stay.
1539588;1473608455;Framedragger;mircea_popescu and everyone, so just in case it was unclear, everything to do with mkj.lt is down 'cause (apparently, as of now) the network is down. cause as of yet unknown, as they've confirmed when i called. the system also helpfully informs me that server is using 64.50 GB out of available 10.00 GB, and the free disk space available ("-54.50 GB") is less than the recommended free space amount. things shall be migrated, i will however wait fo
1539589;1473608468;Framedragger;r them to recover, and meanwhile i'm off to a punk concert. ttyl.
1539590;1473608563;Framedragger;(and ftr hosting a parliament candidate's website on the same server as something to do with tmsr may have been a choice too curious.)
1539591;1473609156;mircea_popescu;aite.
1539592;1473609176;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539584 << lel even that link now seems dead.
1539593;1473609176;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 15:14 Framedragger: [lol, massive outage of servers (http://gedimai.iv.lt/?id=493) - "we hereby inform that presently the majority of our network nodes are experiencing issues [read, are +/- down]; therefore the servers behind said nodes may be unreachable." i'll bitchslap them after they recover
1539594;1473609346;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile i'm chasing some obscure comment blockquoting bug
1539595;1473610457;asciilifeform; luke-jr (~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr) has joined #trilema << l0l! he's still in business ?!
1539596;1473610522;mircea_popescu;in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist.
1539597;1473610540;shinohai;O.o
1539598;1473610568;mircea_popescu;lemme know if any of you turn it up anywhere.
1539599;1473610762;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/bitcointalk-database-in-the-wild-for-some-time-now-new-forum-software-years-late/ << Qntra - BitcoinTalk Database In The Wild For Some Time Now, New Forum Software Years Late
1539600;1473610905;mircea_popescu;otherwise feel free to you know, stage mock debates/legal proceedings between payment processor ("we sent the txn as contractually obligated") and contracting firm ("we hired you to do the payments, do them") etc etc.
1539601;1473610974;mircea_popescu;the point ~everyone, from the propellerhead ethidiots to yours truly, prefers to not observe the fact that bitcoin can not be part of economic activity as is, because unspecified machinery with unpredictable behaviours are exactly not the substance of contractual agreements.
1539602;1473611011;mircea_popescu;there can by definition exist no meeting of the minds on such shaky, arbitrarily shapeshifting terrains.
1539603;1473611086;asciilifeform;eh hey we observed that the bloody thing doesn't reliably work, eons ago
1539604;1473611235;mircea_popescu;yes yes.
1539605;1473611243;mircea_popescu;but then happily continued to act as if it did.
1539606;1473611262;mircea_popescu;for this money, elliot also observed his pussy crushing doesn't work. went right back to it.
1539607;1473611282;*;asciilifeform mutters something about crash landing on island with clitler
1539608;1473611328;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539596 << fwiw, as far as i can tell, my boxes never saw these.
1539609;1473611328;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 16:15 mircea_popescu: in other lulz & assorted "daily wtf that never happened on the bitcoin network and if it did it's mp's fault anyway", a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc being high-S got malleated by da3008e8b15d36343bc07c05cf107a7b6d29df0467901401410f8fe0d8c76488 which however... doesn't actually exist.
1539610;1473611331;mircea_popescu;aha
1539611;1473611332;asciilifeform;either of them.
1539612;1473611358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, ok. public internets did however, eg https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc/
1539613;1473611376;asciilifeform;now that's interesting.
1539614;1473611387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would you care to reveal what you transmitted these with ?
1539615;1473611394;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1539616;1473611397;asciilifeform;well then.
1539617;1473611400;mircea_popescu;but ftr, i only transmitted the first.
1539618;1473611406;mircea_popescu;the 2nd appeared out of unknown parts.
1539619;1473611416;asciilifeform;2nd from malleatron.
1539620;1473611434;shinohai;Neither show up on the blockchain.info turd
1539621;1473611435;mircea_popescu;anyway ; you probably should have received a copy.
1539622;1473611440;asciilifeform;as with my 5btc leesedol bet a while back, and 1,000,001 folks' other examples.
1539623;1473611456;mircea_popescu;https://blockchain.info/search/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc << sees one, not the other.
1539624;1473611475;asciilifeform;( i assume mircea_popescu sent out a high-S for scientific purposes )
1539625;1473612163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc 'blockchain.info' rejects all high-S.
1539626;1473612171;asciilifeform;at the door.
1539627;1473612353;Framedragger;[things are back up. also, doing ssh stuff via shitphone sometimes worx.]
1539628;1473612510;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#199 << ah, scheiße. unfortunately fix involves rewriting part of the log viewer which is based on regex. (to be clear, my fault entirely, of course). will be done - but not instantaneously, am afraid. thanks.
1539629;1473612511;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-11: [12:23:35] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160910/#217 < example.
1539630;1473612580;asciilifeform;incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ?
1539631;1473612620;asciilifeform;jurov ?
1539632;1473612759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last reply is queued (contains phuctor link) and probably won't show up in trinque's feeder.
1539633;1473612807;Framedragger;asciilifeform: re. "Enemy can spam the channel but each of his packets can be rejected in ~constant time~" - ahh! that clarifies matters for me. will comment on blog later by PC. ttyl
1539634;1473612850;phf;asciilifeform: i'll read it once the dust settles
1539635;1473612879;asciilifeform;phf: it's more or less deadlocked.
1539636;1473612922;mircea_popescu;regex. guaranteed rewrite. every time.
1539637;1473613906;mircea_popescu;as the australian slut once said to her boyfriend, "roses are red, violets are blue, i'm at mp's house cheating you you eh."
1539638;1473614187;asciilifeform;for anyone who, like phf, has been 'waiting for dust to settle', here's (imho) ~impartial summary: mircea_popescu demands one particular aspect of correct gossiptron: repudiability; and is willing to newjersyize ('best-effort') everything else. asciilifeform demands that the entire thing have strength on par with the basis crypto. mircea_popescu points out that this building demands an escherian, if you will, brick. asciilifeform - d
1539639;1473614187;asciilifeform;isputes this.
1539640;1473614197;asciilifeform;currently it would appear that each is doomed to write own proggy...
1539641;1473614256;mircea_popescu;well, no! here's my version :
1539642;1473614391;mircea_popescu;the matter in dispute is how to handle authentification. one solution is decrypt-challenge. the other solution is signed-hello. i reject signed-hello for a number of reasons, both practical and theoretical, which alf doesn't seem to think much of but which i am satisfied are sufficient to sink any attempt to implement a gossipd on sh. alf purports to reject dc on similar grounds, except i can't find anything like an argument
1539643;1473614392;mircea_popescu;of either kind in his production ; nevertheless he also claims dc is sufficient to sink any attempt to implemnet a gossipd.
1539644;1473614420;mircea_popescu;anyway, discussion of specifix there plox, lest we manage to lose the ~only benefit so far, which is to say that nonsensical as it is, at least discussion is all in one place
1539645;1473614446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i drop this here in attempt to coax the lazy folk to join us on your www.
1539646;1473614476;mircea_popescu;the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion.
1539647;1473614486;mircea_popescu;it's been what, two days ? people need time to think.
1539648;1473614487;asciilifeform;hopefully.
1539649;1473614583;mircea_popescu;this said, i see absolutely no problem whatsoever implementing trb nodes on sign-hello.
1539650;1473614592;asciilifeform;i will add that, despite the ~total impasse, this has been the most enjoyable public dialogue i've partaken in, in quite some time.
1539651;1473614594;mircea_popescu;on the contrary, it's how i'd do it too.
1539652;1473614865;mircea_popescu;and for the purveyors of domestic bliss, http://66.media.tumblr.com/a858a8f1b81fa051e6b49f2003f305e5/tumblr_nhytfvUjLo1qecl7ro1_1280.jpg
1539653;1473615931;asciilifeform;incidentally, i must also add that there are potentially other solutions ( e.g., zkp auth.) that do not reduce to 'sh' or 'dc'.
1539654;1473617711;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539646 << aha. I'm certain all of us have been reading the exchange. (I hope some made use of !!subscribe to do so)
1539655;1473617711;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 17:21 mircea_popescu: the silent are not necessarily thereby lazy! mebbe they're trying to understand the otherwise rather complex an' intricate matter in discussion.
1539656;1473617734;*;trinque will join the discussion when he has something that hasn't been said, and not simply to "make voice heard" or "join the debate"
1539657;1473617738;trinque;asciilifeform: ^
1539658;1473618252;ben_vulpes;it is the most difficult design problem i've seen and i'm still working to wrap my head around both of your positions
1539659;1473618322;mircea_popescu;gossipd requires time.
1539660;1473619441;asciilifeform;trinque: fair'nuff.
1539661;1473619473;asciilifeform;my exhortation here was 'say what has not been said,' not 'moar dakka!' (or however these go.)
1539662;1473619949;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread.
1539663;1473619963;asciilifeform;(is it apparent to the naked eye what it is ?)
1539664;1473620735;asciilifeform;unrelatedly,
1539665;1473620755;asciilifeform;as a byproduct of the mega-thread on mircea_popescu's www, i invented a potentially useful item, that probably ought to be shared
1539666;1473620805;asciilifeform;-- an 'all or nothing transform' (term of art) that, unlike, e.g., rivest's, does not rely on the strength of any hash, nor symmetric cipher, nor imposes algebraic structure.
1539667;1473620834;asciilifeform;i'ma post it once i get a couple of spare hours in which to write it up.
1539668;1473621439;mircea_popescu;ha! /me showered, came out with two ideas : an update for article ; and "i wonder if one could come up with a way to do all-or-nothing transforms that are freeform"
1539669;1473621442;mircea_popescu;epic.
1539670;1473621454;asciilifeform;it is a brain-meltingly simple algo, somewhat like 'v'; and inverting the transform with partial info is provably equivalent to halting problem.
1539671;1473621463;asciilifeform;i must wonder now if mircea_popescu came out with same item i did.
1539672;1473621615;mircea_popescu;nah i had no workable implementation.
1539673;1473621616;asciilifeform;it remains to be demonstrated rigorously that mine does the job as claimed. which is why i haven't posted it quite yet.
1539674;1473621677;asciilifeform;but yes, it is 'freeform' in the sense where no algebraicism (as in rivest's, or the popular OAEP) is imposed, and the output can be as long and entropic as one likes.
1539675;1473621906;*;mircea_popescu will gladly read 
1539676;1473623310;mod6;<+asciilifeform> incidentally, is anybody other than Framedragger currently following the http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document conversation ? ben_vulpes ? trinque ? << i have.
1539677;1473623587;mod6;well, looks im a bit behind now.
1539678;1473623589;*;mod6 catches up
1539679;1473624582;danielpbarron;!!subscribe http://danielpbarron.com/comments/feed/
1539680;1473624583;deedbot;danielpbarron subscribed to http://danielpbarron.com/comments/feed/
1539681;1473624626;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2016/its-better-to-rape-than-to-divorce/ << Daniel P. Barron - It’s better to rape than to divorce.
1539682;1473626205;danielpbarron;!!subscribe http://bravetheworld.com/feed/
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1539684;1473627837;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ << Qntra - Hillary Clinton's Twin Legs Buckle Where Twin Towers Fell
1539685;1473628238;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/ << Updated already!
1539686;1473628339;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1539687;1473628340;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429349 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 58 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1539688;1473628568;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1539689;1473628575;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.13, vol: 4934.09455187 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 597.744, vol: 5474.23216 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 605.19, vol: 8992.33187469 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 595.4985, vol: 458276.32550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 603.22, vol: 809.74956593 | Volume-weighted last average: 595.746528034
1539690;1473629960;phf;asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation?
1539691;1473630545;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/7e448afc1e995100d0baf056b881a336/tumblr_ncrdooTK3R1rgqpl0o1_1280.jpg
1539692;1473630895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
1539693;1473631350;BingoBoingo;Updated again, prognosis is dim: http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/
1539694;1473631403;mircea_popescu;hey, wait, i thought they were going to nailgun the other one!!11eleventy
1539695;1473631417;BingoBoingo;Nature has its own nailguns too!
1539696;1473633522;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539690 << i used cornall's
1539697;1473633522;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 21:39 phf: asciilifeform: do you by chance have schematics for your model f controller reimplementation?
1539698;1473633614;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539692 << that'd be the exact opposite of 'all or nothing', neh?
1539699;1473633614;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 21:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, rivest's scheme is ordered, i was thinking of an order-indifferent k-1 of k packets sorta thing
1539700;1473633714;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what i mean is, iirc rivest just puts key in last packet. there's no reason to have a "last" packet ; why not "one of"
1539701;1473633885;mircea_popescu;thinking being that if the all-xored-with-key packet is specifically known, observer has some advantage in detecting underperforming rng ; but if it's not known then not so much.
1539702;1473633954;asciilifeform;i suspect this is the basic fear that motivates whiteners
1539703;1473633970;asciilifeform;'they might see my shitrng'
1539704;1473634030;mircea_popescu;very likely.
1539705;1473634045;mircea_popescu;not in defense of shit rngs. but why specify something that needn't be.
1539706;1473634199;asciilifeform;the basic error is same tho
1539707;1473634206;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1539708;1473634232;asciilifeform;it is foolish to design for 'what if my rng silently fails'. it is a 'jesus bolt' failure
1539709;1473634241;asciilifeform;as on choppers.
1539710;1473634255;mircea_popescu;this is true. but it's quite sensible to design for "least possible rules"
1539711;1473634294;asciilifeform;or how plane is not designed to do any particular constructive thing should the wings fall off.
1539712;1473634319;asciilifeform;all emphasis re wings is on ~not falling off~.
1539713;1473634321;mircea_popescu;actually modern plane is designed to fly if 3 engines fall off etc
1539714;1473634334;asciilifeform;but 0 wings.
1539715;1473634336;asciilifeform;brb
1539716;1473634340;mircea_popescu;but anyway, i suppose this is neither here nor there.
1539717;1473636309;phf;asciilifeform: ah cool, i think you might've linked that page before
1539718;1473636488;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-13#1163124 was the original thread
1539719;1473636488;a111;Logged on 2015-06-13 03:39 asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << anyone here own one of these ?
1539720;1473639102;phf;hmm
1539721;1473644581;*;BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's
1539722;1473644725;*;asciilifeform also
1539723;1473644802;phf;cheers, i just refreshed the stack so should be less random bot timeouts
1539724;1473644875;phf;i'm pretty sure cmucl's networking/threading interaction is busted. it shouldn't be, for all practical purposes it's an erlang model (green threads, and async io on vm level), but in practice the code is dodgy..
1539725;1473647326;shinohai;danielpbarron arrested for planting a bomb: http://archive.is/vsGpQ
1539726;1473647378;BingoBoingo;Nah, danielpbarron doesn't have that droopy eye
1539727;1473647378;mod6;similar!
1539728;1473647403;shinohai;Could be danielpbarron on lsd
1539729;1473648371;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1539730;1473648377;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 604.95, vol: 5639.70819372 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 606.03, vol: 6108.4073 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 611.9, vol: 9773.78534644 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 603.20118, vol: 533758.22160000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 611.3, vol: 791.43526673 | Volume-weighted last average: 603.414412468
1539731;1473648391;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1539732;1473648392;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429383 | Current Difficulty: 2.2075590833037228E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 429407 | Next Difficulty In: 24 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1539733;1473648573;pete_dushenski;in other crickets, http://shop.aketta.com/products/pure-cricket-powder?variant=847196443 << $44 buys you a pound of flour made from 100% milled crickets and has a “deep, earthy, umami flavor with hints of raw cocoa.”
1539734;1473649309;pete_dushenski;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/uber-deal-in-detail-1.3756402 << hard to be 'disruptive' when all you do is make shitty deals with the soi-dissant powers that be. fuckin uber.
1539735;1473649438;pete_dushenski;obviously a 'cap' of 1.5x surge pricing is retarded and doesn't prevent drivers from being yahoos and scamming riders, as happened to yours truly last month in mtl when driver intentionally disobeyed my command and that of his gps toy and intentionally took wrong turn 'by accident' that led to a detour almost doubling the mileage of the trip
1539736;1473649497;pete_dushenski;to uber's credit, i wrote them an email explaining the situation and they refunded me the fare with almost no hassle to speak of.
1539737;1473649545;*;pete_dushenski is glad to see ben_vulpes blogging again
1539738;1473649560;pete_dushenski;bloggers of the world, unitit!
1539739;1473649819;pete_dushenski;speaking of making use of blogs, i've taken the liberty of compiling the various #trilema bots, their calls, and their functions onto a single page >> bots.contravex.com
1539740;1473649841;pete_dushenski;feel free to comment, clarify, or add.
1539741;1473649920;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/fl1n0ib.jpg
1539742;1473649964;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/RLdcYxW.png
1539743;1473650056;pete_dushenski;that's portland for yaz
1539744;1473650123;pete_dushenski;bash.contravex.com is also in beta. shinohai and i will be working on it going forward :)
1539745;1473650411;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3779582/Nurse-caught-CCTV-having-sex-dead-disabled-girl-s-waterbed-child-s-grieving-foster-parents-allowed-return-work.html
1539746;1473650552;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539612 << still stuck eh...
1539747;1473650552;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 16:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, ok. public internets did however, eg https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/a86c3b4efb1be5862dff6740a16cae83a785e78eb8a81b49c6f3337ca8e0b1cc/
1539748;1473651213;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C90E36ACAF227F40884C95FC6304F9AE04201B80CF895400DF9F244788CF79C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.60 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.60 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freen
1539749;1473651213;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/422D344B23210CB546373993313B4C67217FDCD2A5B473AF0E3D73110F7D1334 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.49 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.49 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
1539750;1473651213;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC28A8C915BF048456C5294B50EF4E9D0E032024B46778FF29788CEDE94D7EA3 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.125 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1539751;1473651213;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BD93382E8B0CE07C1F76ACB19483596E3BDB288B5F9C3848B66566790856981A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.160 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.160 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1539752;1473651213;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/986CBE61250486DABCEC88D21AEBC21E3B49C40F0EB81B86305B3FD41350E0ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.159 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1539753;1473651352;BingoBoingo;To celebrate these 9/12 phuctorings https://i.sli.mg/0FzhV3.png A SEASON!
1539754;1473651702;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539721 << i use phf's search reflexively at this point
1539755;1473651702;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 01:43 BingoBoingo still greatly prefering phf's lowwwg to Framedragger's
1539756;1473652458;ben_vulpes;is that girl going to fix her irc ever?
1539757;1473652483;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539662 << you know i had a whole thing typed out but i think the core is that mircea_popescu is talking connections and asciilifeform is talking blobs
1539758;1473652483;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 18:52 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i am quite curious re how you would summarize the point of contention in subj thread.
1539759;1473652908;BingoBoingo;!~covertress pls to fix your IRC flouncer? consider hosting it on a different interwebz pipe? Preferably one with more consisent pressure and brazed copper fittings?
1539760;1473652908;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "covertress" is not a valid command.
1539761;1473652934;BingoBoingo;!~later tell covertress pls to fix your IRC flouncer? consider hosting it on a different interwebz pipe? Preferably one with more consisent pressure and brazed copper fittings?
1539762;1473652934;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1539763;1473653227;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539757 << this makes 0 sense. what 'connections' are there in anyone's gossipd picture ?
1539764;1473653227;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 03:54 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539662 << you know i had a whole thing typed out but i think the core is that mircea_popescu is talking connections and asciilifeform is talking blobs
1539765;1473653237;asciilifeform;thing's supposed to be stateless.
1539766;1473653384;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539752 << 74.45.228.159, 74.45.228.160, 74.45.231.125, 74.45.228.49, 74.45.0.60 -- are all currently up and happily report being tropos boxes.
1539767;1473653384;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 03:33 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/986CBE61250486DABCEC88D21AEBC21E3B49C40F0EB81B86305B3FD41350E0ED << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.159 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1539768;1473653385;asciilifeform;$s tropos
1539769;1473653394;asciilifeform;motherfucker
1539770;1473653401;asciilifeform;#!s tropos
1539771;1473653416;asciilifeform;!~s tropos
1539772;1473653417;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
1539773;1473653424;phf;no that last one should've worked let me check
1539774;1473653448;asciilifeform;why the FUCK did $s have to move.
1539775;1473653455;phf;!#s i don't know
1539776;1473653455;a111;723 results for "i don't know", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=i%20don't%20know
1539777;1473653458;asciilifeform;can we have a perma-moratorium on this nonsense ?
1539778;1473653462;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ?
1539779;1473653501;asciilifeform;search should be a single-char command
1539780;1473653505;asciilifeform;dun matter which char
1539781;1473653605;BingoBoingo;!#s tropos
1539782;1473653605;a111;14 results for "tropos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tropos
1539783;1473653809;asciilifeform;ohio; pennsylvania; new york.
1539784;1473654104;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: your www appears to be dead ?
1539785;1473654252;asciilifeform;!#s 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113
1539786;1473654252;a111;11 results for "12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113
1539787;1473654257;asciilifeform;^ pretty strange.
1539788;1473655885;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539601 << /me wonders to what extent fiat central bankers lie awake at night spinning the same observation round and round their fatigued noggins worried sick about their own altcoins.
1539789;1473655885;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 16:22 mircea_popescu: the point ~everyone, from the propellerhead ethidiots to yours truly, prefers to not observe the fact that bitcoin can not be part of economic activity as is, because unspecified machinery with unpredictable behaviours are exactly not the substance of contractual agreements.
1539790;1473656314;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i did call for nuke war over the high-S idiocy...
1539791;1473656358;asciilifeform;(principally via the building, hypothetically, of a high-S-only pool)
1539792;1473656378;asciilifeform;but no takers, mega-surprise.
1539793;1473656782;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i recall. and without the nukeforkpocalypse, i thought that using mod6's '-lows' flag was sop...
1539794;1473656994;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: yeah i have nfi how mircea_popescu ended up emitting a high-S. and he never, iirc, said. probably was test.
1539795;1473657179;pete_dushenski;such is his prerogative.
1539796;1473657283;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/insummary/
1539797;1473657410;pete_dushenski;lel
1539798;1473659116;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i have no idea how challenge/response is stateless
1539799;1473659456;ben_vulpes;one of the other things i had scribbled down is that asciilifeform wants a crypto-hard wall against "teh ddos", and mircea_popescu appears satisfied that uninformed idiots who can't find keys are enough of a pill against the ddos. i don't see how this is an improvement on the ip address, which the average netizen is entirely uncognizant of.
1539800;1473659498;ben_vulpes;can't imagine my failure to understand belongs on trilema
1539801;1473670395;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it belongs there inasmuch as the explanation belongs there.
1539802;1473672373;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#9 << a) that dude looks too much like a dork to be dpb ; b) notice how many of these schmucks are wanted for "the dpr crime", aka "said heretic things to usg agents while unaware of their being usg agents, facts to which usg agents swear" ?
1539803;1473672374;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [02:28:46] <shinohai> danielpbarron arrested for planting a bomb: http://archive.is/vsGpQ
1539804;1473672505;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#23 << great idea!
1539805;1473672505;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:10:19] <pete_dushenski> speaking of making use of blogs, i've taken the liberty of compiling the various #trilema bots, their calls, and their functions onto a single page >> bots.contravex.com
1539806;1473672530;mircea_popescu;should have a proper list of commands rather than a few words description of what it does though.
1539807;1473672620;Framedragger;re. scriba, "Call function : [TBD]", i was told http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-29#1531244 so i use !#, too? i can change this
1539808;1473672620;a111;Logged on 2016-08-29 15:13 mircea_popescu: no, !#
1539809;1473672622;Framedragger;!#hello
1539810;1473672623;scriba;Hello, world!
1539811;1473672637;Framedragger;(commands tbd, if any)
1539812;1473672732;mircea_popescu;ahaha doh.
1539813;1473672750;mircea_popescu;Framedragger be a darling move it to !$ thanks.
1539814;1473672755;Framedragger;np
1539815;1473672780;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#25 << the sad result of girls reaching literacy without the experience of beating.
1539816;1473672781;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:11:59] <BingoBoingo> https://i.imgur.com/fl1n0ib.jpg
1539817;1473672794;mircea_popescu;seriously now, stop spawning this scum.
1539818;1473672965;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#29 << check out infertile old woman angry at the fact that she's old & infertile so taking it out on peoplez! for shame.
1539819;1473672966;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:20:11] <BingoBoingo> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3779582/Nurse-caught-CCTV-having-sex-dead-disabled-girl-s-waterbed-child-s-grieving-foster-parents-allowed-return-work.html
1539820;1473673022;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#30 << just a friendly reminder that prb dun work is all.
1539821;1473673022;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:22:32] <pete_dushenski> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539612 << still stuck eh...
1539822;1473673156;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#37 << one wonders, of course, if hanno boeck ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) is stuck in an airport somewhere furiously editing his speech on his "research" which entirely consists of repackaging material published by the republic for his dorky friends with internet / mental disabilities. or whether they'll just publish an incomplete list and pretend no
1539823;1473673156;mircea_popescu;t to notice.
1539824;1473673156;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:35:52] <BingoBoingo> To celebrate these 9/12 phuctorings https://i.sli.mg/0FzhV3.png A SEASON!
1539825;1473673319;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#54 << ahahaha you!
1539826;1473673319;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [04:10:01] <asciilifeform> #!s tropos
1539827;1473673323;mircea_popescu;!#s buttseks
1539828;1473673324;a111;9 results for "buttseks", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=buttseks
1539829;1473673327;mircea_popescu;win
1539830;1473673527;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#61 << we can have a perma moratorium on the following nonsense : you tend to bitch loudly about irrelevant shit. stop doing it. it's a waste of your time ; and it significantly degrades your standing.
1539831;1473673527;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [04:10:57] <asciilifeform> can we have a perma-moratorium on this nonsense ?
1539832;1473673565;mircea_popescu;memorialized examples include you bitching about phuctor's hosting for spurious reasons, which resulted in enemy thanking us for a year of downtime. i had hoped you learned lesson, but ferrocranium is severe with you.
1539833;1473673583;mircea_popescu;it also includes in recent memory you bitching about a111 logging, only to discover presently that actually you love it.
1539834;1473673631;mircea_popescu;ima skip the endless deluge of similar idiocy in between the two quoted points. stop whining like an impotent retard who has internalized his impotence and consequently whines as loudly as he can and does not stick to his whining a moment later. it's unseemly.
1539835;1473673748;Framedragger;!$hello
1539836;1473673748;scriba;Hello, world!
1539837;1473673754;mircea_popescu;Framedragger hostmaks. you're doing them wrong.
1539838;1473673760;Framedragger;(may put in additional commands but those are lower priority)
1539839;1473673784;Framedragger;yeah meknows, it should first do the hostmask and only then enter room. will need to check innards of bot.
1539840;1473673795;mircea_popescu;aite.
1539841;1473674410;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#76 << i recall explaining then, but i guess it didn't stick : the fact that transactions are malleable means no such thing as a "high only" pool may exist - others can malleate your "high only" txn and mine them as lows. meanwhile network effects prevent you building a mining farm that mines high-s txn : unless you control a significant portion of the hash, you will just mine orphans.
1539842;1473674410;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [04:59:38] <asciilifeform> but no takers, mega-surprise.
1539843;1473674435;mircea_popescu;and these two points aren't unrelated. the keystone of maturity is an ability to pick fights judiciously.
1539844;1473674530;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, a good measure of power is the overlap between "judiciously" and "it fucking pisses me off".
1539845;1473674576;mircea_popescu;with the caveat, of course, that it's one of those "greeks, exactly backwards, exactly right" : the infantile mind will expect the sentence speaks about the world. in fact, it speaks about the self.
1539846;1473674678;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#80 << ahahaha ok this may be the best oglaf yet.
1539847;1473674678;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [05:14:43] <BingoBoingo> http://oglaf.com/insummary/
1539848;1473678484;Framedragger;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: regarding gossipd, aside from the central point of disagreement, regarding a "lighter" matter: what about subscribing/unsubscribing to "topics" (a kind of pubsub model)? because there's no discussion of multiparty chat as of now; or is there not to be, in gossipd?
1539849;1473678824;Framedragger;topic-based publish/subscribe has been sorta well researched, but i guess this problem is on another 'layer': gossipd document would leave this for 'implementation'. even though it may not be trivial at all, to make decisions regarding such matters, choose best spec, or design it from ground zero. but of course makes sense to discuss the foundations first
1539850;1473678994;*;Framedragger obligatory swear towards paywalled PDFs. two evils at the same time, "CS" "academia" ftw
1539851;1473679355;Framedragger;(for anyone curious, three relevant PDFs regarding pubsub-based p2p in http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/p2p-pubsub/ - yes, PDFs, i know)
1539852;1473679440;Framedragger;(the most general one is http://fd.mkj.lt/stuff/p2p-pubsub/2012.mw.pdf - pubsub based p2p architecture called poldercast)
1539853;1473679862;adlai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/og87o/?raw=true
1539854;1473679862;jhvh1;adlai: The operation succeeded.
1539855;1473679942;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539784 << the trilema effect. Even with caching my dinky blog box gets jammed sometimes. I always archive.is the latest post before it hits the bot though
1539856;1473679942;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 04:21 asciilifeform: danielpbarron: your www appears to be dead ?
1539857;1473680622;Framedragger;btw as reported by kakobrekla and HN crowd, http://legalhackers.com/advisories/MySQL-Exploit-Remote-Root-Code-Execution-Privesc-CVE-2016-6662.html
1539858;1473680681;Framedragger;summary by one lucb1e, "people that can run queries on your MySQL server, either by legit access (shared webhosting or something else) or via an SQL-injection vulnerability, can execute commands that might root your server. Looking at the PoC, it seems possible to overwrite any file that the MySQL user (or whichever user MySQL runs as) can write to."
1539859;1473680777;Framedragger;and also from the cve, "The vulnerability can be exploited even if security modules SELinux and AppArmor are installed with default active policies for MySQL service on major Linux  distributions."
1539860;1473680804;*;shinohai suddeny remember why he detests MySQL
1539861;1473681060;Framedragger;(the PoC seems neat, with a custom bogus malloc library that mysql is told to use by a malicious config file loaded by malicious mysql trigger)
1539862;1473681246;shinohai;Maybe I should switch to an ethereum-based database   >.>
1539863;1473681331;Framedragger;shinohai: you misspelt mongodb!
1539864;1473681348;shinohai;>.<
1539865;1473681973;jurov;what's interesting, i don't see anything possibly related here: https://github.com/MariaDB/server/commits/10.1
1539866;1473682026;jurov;nor other branches/releases
1539867;1473682047;jurov;does not look like "vendor fixed"
1539868;1473682749;davout;danielpbarron: you still hosting on a tamagotchi or sthg?
1539869;1473683745;trinque;lel
1539870;1473684051;*;shinohai remembers this scam site called "mybitcoinjob.com" that was being hosted on a cellphone and could be dos'd with a simple nmap scan.
1539871;1473684268;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539848 << on another layer indeed
1539872;1473684268;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 11:08 Framedragger: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: regarding gossipd, aside from the central point of disagreement, regarding a "lighter" matter: what about subscribing/unsubscribing to "topics" (a kind of pubsub model)? because there's no discussion of multiparty chat as of now; or is there not to be, in gossipd?
1539873;1473684339;trinque;keep it simple lest http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482397
1539874;1473684339;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 04:33 mircea_popescu: otherwise - hole, night, creeps in.
1539875;1473684803;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#134 << what do you mean ? X forwards all he's heard, from all his friends, to all his friends.
1539876;1473684804;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [11:08:04] <Framedragger> mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: regarding gossipd, aside from the central point of disagreement, regarding a "lighter" matter: what about subscribing/unsubscribing to "topics" (a kind of pubsub model)? because there's no discussion of multiparty chat as of now; or is there not to be, in gossipd?
1539877;1473684839;mircea_popescu;there's one chat, and it's universal-party.
1539878;1473684842;Framedragger;trinque: yeah, fair enough
1539879;1473684856;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, why the heck are we discussing this here rather than there ;/
1539880;1473684872;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ah, shit. for some reason the first time i've read the message storage format (in the general sense), i.e. "time, X, Y, text", i read it as from X directed towards Y. my shitty fault
1539881;1473684890;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: because i thought the question may have been truly stupid, and turns out it sorta was!
1539882;1473684901;jurov;scriba: that's message format on application level, but not even network level is resolved yet
1539883;1473684939;*;Framedragger should teach scriba to talk back :p
1539884;1473684955;Framedragger;jurov: yeah okay, you're right folks
1539885;1473684956;mircea_popescu;yes, but now if i want to say "i suppose if one wants channels he can just prefix his lines with #trilema or whatever, but this is deliberately left to implementation" i don't have where to.
1539886;1473684976;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: so i'll write a short comment
1539887;1473685016;mircea_popescu;next time.
1539888;1473685043;Framedragger;k.
1539889;1473685131;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: but you don't think there may be a problem with flood of messages in the network across all "channels" / topics? it'd be neat if there was a way for a node to specify that it's only interested in things (specified by prefix, as in your example) under #trilema
1539890;1473685141;mircea_popescu;just bear this in mind, there's no stupid questions, only stupid people. and deciding the venue of a question decides the venue of the answer, which is a major problem, as it conflicts with a fundamental principle ( ie http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536621 ).
1539891;1473685141;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 23:51 asciilifeform: this happens, just like at your university, in the manner the elders decide. and not the manner the novice prefers.
1539892;1473685193;jurov;Framedragger: irc also floods you with everythign in all channels, it' responisibility of your client to neatly sort it out
1539893;1473685216;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: gotcha. i felt shy because all these other smart people don't comment on the article, damn their restraint
1539894;1473685244;mircea_popescu;moreover nothing prevents emergent/de facto specs. the job of the gossipd spec is to keep people from doing world-breaking idiotic stuff. how they handle their own wives is their own problem.
1539895;1473685268;Framedragger;i see, i see; clear separation - makes sense
1539896;1473685954;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539822 << i think the boeckfest was over on friday night
1539897;1473685954;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 09:39 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#37 << one wonders, of course, if hanno boeck ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) is stuck in an airport somewhere furiously editing his speech on his "research" which entirely consists of repackaging material published by the republic for his dorky friends with internet / mental disabilities. or whether they'll just publish an incomplete list and pretend no
1539898;1473685954;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [03:35:52] <BingoBoingo> To celebrate these 9/12 phuctorings https://i.sli.mg/0FzhV3.png A SEASON!
1539899;1473685995;asciilifeform;^ interesting. is this correct mechanism ? ( 2 bots answer )
1539900;1473686069;trinque;one bot saw the other's link.
1539901;1473686094;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539827 << mircea_popescu throws rotten tomato at me but afaik there is not a canonical manual of commands, nor is it possible to find whether the latest knob rewiring took, without brute test of three or four of these
1539902;1473686094;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 09:42 mircea_popescu: !#s buttseks
1539903;1473686115;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539813
1539904;1473686115;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 09:32 mircea_popescu: Framedragger be a darling move it to !$ thanks.
1539905;1473686171;asciilifeform;!$ buttseks
1539906;1473686179;asciilifeform;apparently - not yet.
1539907;1473686181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, truly there isn't, and truly tis a problem. but your question wasn't "hey, shouldn't we have a canonical manual of commands or something ?" to which the answer would have been "go, write" rather than tomato.
1539908;1473686182;Framedragger;!$hello
1539909;1473686182;scriba;Hello, world!
1539910;1473686184;mircea_popescu;one earns his tomato.
1539911;1473686186;Framedragger;no search yet
1539912;1473686194;trinque;I recommend each bot implements  botname: help
1539913;1473686206;trinque;I haven't yet, but can.
1539914;1473686213;mircea_popescu;nah, should answer in pm
1539915;1473686218;mircea_popescu;truly doth not belong in trilema
1539916;1473686223;trinque;works for me
1539917;1473686228;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : would be imho spiffy if one could get a sexprtronic list of commands out of a bot in pm
1539918;1473686246;trinque;point being then can discover prefixes and commands.
1539919;1473686256;asciilifeform;aha
1539920;1473686303;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539841 << the second half of this is afaik true, but the first item is trivially solved by not sending the tx anywhere else.
1539921;1473686303;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 10:00 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#76 << i recall explaining then, but i guess it didn't stick : the fact that transactions are malleable means no such thing as a "high only" pool may exist - others can malleate your "high only" txn and mine them as lows. meanwhile network effects prevent you building a mining farm that mines high-s txn : unless you control a significant portion of the hash, you will just mine orphans.
1539922;1473686303;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [04:59:38] <asciilifeform> but no takers, mega-surprise.
1539923;1473686317;trinque;new prefixes are worth it in that they allow command name overlap.
1539924;1473686320;asciilifeform;let it go over proper crypto to the high-s pool.
1539925;1473686344;trinque;so then no one mine's atop your block, and what
1539926;1473686377;asciilifeform;trinque: mircea_popescu was correct in his formulation that you gotta be large enough for them to die if they refuse, for this to work.
1539927;1473686380;mircea_popescu;(notice also, for the sake of stating the obvious - that what glyphs one's monitor displays is a matter of local configuration ; that if one wishes to type ζ and have a certain bot respond with a search that someone is encouraged to look into macros, keybindings, or whatever solution of this problem his locale prefers ; finally that nothing keeps asciilifeform from getting phf to have a111 behave any arbitrary way in #asciil
1539928;1473686381;mircea_popescu;ifeform, and that there's a trilema article on this topic ; and finally that italians do it better : http://66.media.tumblr.com/fc49140463f06998aa16e4dde0f9217f/tumblr_ny6xzbsqoG1revz5to1_500.gif )
1539929;1473686406;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how do i locally configure my terminal to emit mircea_popescu's command-of-the-day ?
1539930;1473686418;mircea_popescu;a question for teh ages.
1539931;1473686481;asciilifeform;the annoying part was the game of simon-says, not the 'too many buttons', ftr.
1539932;1473686498;mircea_popescu;the "secret tx pool" thing is trivial in theory ; in practice it opens you to a whole cat and mouse game and it didn't seem to me we're there yet.
1539933;1473686513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would be interesting to see this expanded on
1539934;1473686519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i know. but this is the nominalist axion. you're stuck with some level of simon says
1539935;1473686551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's to expand though ? the thing with secrets is that someone will be leaking them ; much like the thing with chastity vows. now find him, etc.
1539936;1473686563;asciilifeform;well if your own pool leaks, you're done
1539937;1473686570;asciilifeform;and who exactly else will leak ?
1539938;1473686578;asciilifeform;the users ? then they are retarded.
1539939;1473686587;asciilifeform;there is no 3rd party in the envisioned scheme.
1539940;1473686591;mircea_popescu;every group of 20 people contains one retard.
1539941;1473686597;asciilifeform;so he leaks HIS tx.
1539942;1473686599;asciilifeform;let him die.
1539943;1473686619;asciilifeform;the secrets are in no way shared between the users.
1539944;1473687362;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539858 << pretty great. thing is long overdue for its behind-the-shed bullet, just like openssl.
1539945;1473687362;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 11:44 Framedragger: summary by one lucb1e, "people that can run queries on your MySQL server, either by legit access (shared webhosting or something else) or via an SQL-injection vulnerability, can execute commands that might root your server. Looking at the PoC, it seems possible to overwrite any file that the MySQL user (or whichever user MySQL runs as) can write to."
1539946;1473687430;mircea_popescu;afaik this was known for a decade
1539947;1473687497;asciilifeform;the particular exploit ?
1539948;1473687499;asciilifeform;not publicly
1539949;1473687511;mircea_popescu;nah, just, "running mysql ~= open shell"
1539950;1473687513;asciilifeform;.. or the overdue bullet ?
1539951;1473687514;asciilifeform;ah.
1539952;1473687581;mircea_popescu;a good part of why "shared hosting" as a fiction for the masses moved to "cloud hosting" as a fiction for the masses being that there was already no way to secure a lamp environment enough to multiuser it.
1539953;1473687642;asciilifeform;heh i still recall when folks believed that their unixen were 'multi user' os etc. aha.
1539954;1473687654;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1539955;1473687686;mircea_popescu;gotta start somewhere. and that somewhere is always the same : everyone steps out of his mother's cunt covered in blood and guts, not to mention shit half the time.
1539956;1473687692;mircea_popescu;!#s birthright's grime
1539957;1473687693;a111;0 results for "birthright's grime", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=birthright's%20grime
1539958;1473687697;mircea_popescu;aww.
1539959;1473688044;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/zq3op << in other lulz.
1539960;1473688239;mircea_popescu;the problems of the fiat world.
1539961;1473688251;mircea_popescu;"we don't have identity" "well... cattle dun need identity"
1539962;1473688322;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#199 << sounds good to me
1539963;1473688322;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [13:16:34] <trinque> I recommend each bot implements  botname: help
1539964;1473688325;Framedragger;(in the form of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#201)
1539965;1473688325;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [13:16:53] <mircea_popescu> nah, should answer in pm
1539966;1473688475;mircea_popescu;trinque i know i brought this on myself, but an unsubscribe will be useful so i don't get everything on gossipd spec twice lol
1539967;1473688598;mircea_popescu;and in other irrelevant news, that article's the weirdest thing i ever saw. apparently it attracted huge interest - but is linked virtually nowhere.
1539968;1473688614;*;mircea_popescu is starting to suspect darknet larger than previously estimated.
1539969;1473688624;asciilifeform;what means 'huge interest but linked nowhere' ?
1539970;1473688625;asciilifeform;i dun get it
1539971;1473688648;mircea_popescu;well, it's the 2nd most read article this month, which i've never seen before for a recent piece.
1539972;1473688659;asciilifeform;and relatedly, i have a proposed cut of the gordian knot, but now i gotta write it up
1539973;1473688666;mircea_popescu;write, write.
1539974;1473688668;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'read' presumably means unique loads ?
1539975;1473688677;asciilifeform;because i confess, i refreshed it a buncha times
1539976;1473688688;mircea_popescu;you'd still count as one.
1539977;1473688692;asciilifeform;aite
1539978;1473688730;mircea_popescu;no, we're talking 17k different ips, plenty with garbled or no user agent, so you know. linked behind a password "protected" forum or w/e.
1539979;1473688744;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1539980;1473688752;mircea_popescu;in any case more than what slashdot provides. so there could be a dark slashdot somewhere ?
1539981;1473688756;Framedragger;you may want to put an update linking to the new doc in http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/ mircea_popescu
1539982;1473688769;mircea_popescu;it should have trackbacked hmm
1539983;1473688790;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's there, #46
1539984;1473688794;Framedragger;.onion forums (they still exist, yes) deliberately exclude http referrer header fwiw
1539985;1473688799;Framedragger;ah, k, my bad
1539986;1473688814;Framedragger;(ah indeed, that counts)
1539987;1473688941;mircea_popescu;incidentally, how the fuck did the "butterfly" misspelling of a flutterby catch on ?
1539988;1473688950;mircea_popescu;it's fucking obviously wrong. #conspiracy
1539989;1473688976;*;mircea_popescu blames pdf to text converters.
1539990;1473689056;Framedragger;heh. etymology is indeed unclear, full of speculation https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/butterfly
1539991;1473689061;Framedragger;#scribblingmonkconspiracy
1539992;1473689128;mircea_popescu;(pretty obvious to me : if you run finger over winds, the sensation is of buttery smoothness, esp if expression is restricted to the field of experience at the time.)
1539993;1473689135;mircea_popescu;wings*
1539994;1473689328;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#146 << security modules ftw.
1539995;1473689329;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [11:46:17] <Framedragger> and also from the cve, "The vulnerability can be exploited even if security modules SELinux and AppArmor are installed with default active policies for MySQL service on major Linux  distributions."
1539996;1473689461;Framedragger;(phenomenological clarity notwithstanding, it's not super clear. word may come from old english butere (wiktionary), but that's only one explanation. no/few cited sources it seems)
1539997;1473689570;mircea_popescu;butterfly visual aid : http://67.media.tumblr.com/452cef85f2dce87f90c26c1480c6bae4/tumblr_nij9b19J1l1tkf673o1_500.gif
1539998;1473689588;Framedragger;heh!
1539999;1473689598;mircea_popescu;now you know what "baby i'm spent but if you wanna come over we can watch porn and do the butterfly" means.
1540000;1473689704;*;Framedragger may have been hinted at this very night. the laziness is sometimes frustratin'!
1540001;1473689710;Framedragger;at that*
1540002;1473689812;mircea_popescu;coming next on trilema, a butterfly classification by preferred wrist motion. learn to distinguish the circular girl from the more common sideways girl and the very rare vertical motion girl.
1540003;1473689909;Framedragger;wouldn't exactly object to reading that. girls sometimes are not in the know, either, which is pffft.
1540004;1473689971;mircea_popescu;i was just being facetious! no such article is being prepared! sorry to disappoint.
1540005;1473689987;mircea_popescu;but in the meanwhile, why not try everything see what works. you could call it fuckd-dc
1540006;1473690042;Framedragger;nono i figured re actual article
1540007;1473690048;Framedragger;right on
1540008;1473690051;mircea_popescu;(it's also a wonder why they don't teach girls to masturbate in sex ed / have special sherub camps etc.)
1540009;1473690095;Framedragger;!#tmsr radio
1540010;1473690098;Framedragger;!# tmsr radio
1540011;1473690104;Framedragger;!#s tmsr radio
1540012;1473690105;a111;2 results for "tmsr radio", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tmsr%20radio
1540013;1473690149;Framedragger;entirely unrelated: wouldn't it be somethin' to test out some gossipd ideas over *actual* cheap long wave or whatever wave radio devices between these here people?
1540014;1473690159;mircea_popescu;surely.
1540015;1473690174;mircea_popescu;once we have some sort of acceptabru spec all sorts of prototyping work can begin
1540016;1473690191;Framedragger;i think rtl-sdr dongles may be enough, no?
1540017;1473690193;Framedragger;suresure
1540018;1473690202;mircea_popescu;possibly, i dunno
1540019;1473690239;mircea_popescu;but honestly, gossipd as a finished product can not possibly come other than with a mesh-over-wifi and mesh-over-radio ready made.
1540020;1473690278;mircea_popescu;as people (alf, mostly) pointed out in the intervening coupla years, there's absolutely no sane reason to marry gossipd to extant-internet, or tcp/ip or etc, as the original draft was trying to
1540021;1473690303;Framedragger;indeed, indeed. hence an itch to try things over radio whilst reading those comments there
1540022;1473690322;mircea_popescu;truth being that this is a historical occasion, with actually correct, well designed internet within grasp
1540023;1473690362;Framedragger;yawell, don't forget, routing is not a trivial problem. this is only the very beginning, i think. an occasion nonetheless though, surely!
1540024;1473690405;mircea_popescu;the very beginning.
1540025;1473690567;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540016 << these don't transmit.
1540026;1473690567;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 14:23 Framedragger: i think rtl-sdr dongles may be enough, no?
1540027;1473690574;asciilifeform;you might be thinking of 'gnu radio' etc.
1540028;1473690611;mircea_popescu;you can get emitting ones too neh ?
1540029;1473690617;asciilifeform;that'd be 'gnu radio'.
1540030;1473690624;mircea_popescu;aok
1540031;1473690637;asciilifeform;'rtl-sdr' (i have a couple here) are cheapo programmable wideband ~receivers~
1540032;1473690657;mircea_popescu;why don't they call them sdrr then!
1540033;1473690662;asciilifeform;which is a quite useful thing, both for 'i can hear my keyboard across the street, wtf', other experiments, but also for picking up eventually mircea_popescu's shortwave.
1540034;1473690662;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah yeah, that's what it'd be called then. (there is some experimental stuff but nvm, http://www.rtl-sdr.com/using-the-rtl-sdr-as-a-transmitter/ )
1540035;1473690714;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the linked piece is approx. same as the 'transmit with my vga card' from 1990s.
1540036;1473690722;asciilifeform;it is not a useful way to do anything.
1540037;1473690727;Framedragger;and, you know, listening to them weird russian number stations and pulsars http://www.rtl-sdr.com/using-the-rtl-sdr-as-a-transmitter/
1540038;1473690737;Framedragger;asciilifeform: suresure! you're right
1540039;1473690751;mircea_popescu;another thing i'd like to see prototyped is quadcopter mediated data exchange. have the guy plug out a usb stick from one back panel, fly it over, plug it into another back panel.
1540040;1473690755;asciilifeform;as a receiver it's pretty good (but no shortwave without a freq. down-converter, iirc)
1540041;1473690758;Framedragger;clipbaord http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
1540042;1473690763;Framedragger;^
1540043;1473690791;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is quite viable, if the animal spends ten minutes in flight and carries say 32 GB sticks you're looking at
1540044;1473690808;mircea_popescu;!~calc 32 * 2 ** 30 * 8 / 10 / 60
1540045;1473690814;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 32 * 2 ** 30 * 8 / 10 / 60 = 4.581298449066667E8
1540046;1473690816;Framedragger;ah yeah, the "terabytes of USB keys in truck" data rate
1540047;1473690825;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this presupposes a 100% landing rate, and a time 0 to encipher and fill the stick, and then to empty it
1540048;1473690829;mircea_popescu;half tbps
1540049;1473690835;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform raptor baby
1540050;1473690841;asciilifeform;even then.
1540051;1473690849;mircea_popescu;why ? you can lose SOME sticks.
1540052;1473690860;asciilifeform;'lose some choppers' quickly becomes expensive.
1540053;1473690870;mircea_popescu;this is not a design concern at this level.
1540054;1473690875;asciilifeform;esp. if all you're trying to do is to cover a 10min flight range.
1540055;1473690882;asciilifeform;which is ~all you get from extant batteries.
1540056;1473690885;mircea_popescu;what do they do, like 10km/h ?
1540057;1473690888;Framedragger;!#s cuba usb
1540058;1473690889;a111;0 results for "cuba usb", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cuba%20usb
1540059;1473690891;Framedragger;https://www.fastcompany.com/3048163/in-cuba-an-underground-network-armed-with-usb-drives-does-the-work-of-google-and-youtube
1540060;1473690921;asciilifeform;lel sneakernet is 'exotic' now ?
1540061;1473690956;*;Framedragger too young to remember soviet
1540062;1473690983;mircea_popescu;the thing with the 10minute / 2km range is that in most circumstances, this is a half hour distance. if you have to drive it - gotta park, unpark, holy shit. most people live within 2km of their friends anyway.
1540063;1473690991;asciilifeform;Framedragger: we traded games like 'elite', rather than lolcat vids, but otherwise similar.
1540064;1473691031;Framedragger;cool stuff. same with films, vinyls etc as i understand it
1540065;1473691052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: chopper as ~radio relay~ is imho more interesting.
1540066;1473691055;*;shinohai fondly remembers all-night lan parties in his neighborhood.
1540067;1473691066;asciilifeform;it would significantly complicate enemy triangulation, if you had a great many.
1540068;1473691084;asciilifeform;(recall the saddam gps jammer thread)
1540069;1473691117;asciilifeform;i have wondered what the state-of-the-art in ~stationkeeping~ re quadcopter presently is.
1540070;1473691139;asciilifeform;(how long could it sit put at a few km altitude if it had solar battery etc.)
1540071;1473691167;Framedragger;i'd look at HAB
1540072;1473691173;asciilifeform;balloons suck
1540073;1473691180;Framedragger;better than 10 minutes of fly time
1540074;1473691184;asciilifeform;they leak. and have gigantic radar cross-sections.
1540075;1473691249;asciilifeform;ergo not a suitable instrument for the bite of 10,000,001 gnats against the back of a dying sovereign.
1540076;1473691262;Framedragger;there exist very small HABs with basically just a transmitter/repeater and super small solar cell, fwiw
1540077;1473691275;asciilifeform;thing is still visible from half a continent away on radar.
1540078;1473691284;asciilifeform;and pops in a month or so.
1540079;1473691295;asciilifeform;all the while blown around by the four winds
1540080;1473691306;shinohai;Too much restricted airspace in my area: http://www.myajc.com/news/drones-no-fly/
1540081;1473691308;asciilifeform;(unless tethered to the ground, and you can recall how well that worked for usg last year)
1540082;1473691317;Framedragger;i think you may be disappoint at the amount of stationkeeping time you can do on quadcopter or w/e, even with a large solar cell which then surely will render a larger radar profile; but maybe i'm mistaken - interesting
1540083;1473691322;asciilifeform;shinohai: the whole point of cheap chopper is to piss on 'restricted'
1540084;1473691363;Framedragger;asciilifeform: a month >> "stationkeeping time", so there's that. and they can be super cheap. and mass-produced. a HAB army anyone?
1540085;1473691363;trinque;why chopper rather than small plane
1540086;1473691370;Framedragger;but yeah disadvantages galore
1540087;1473691376;trinque;same-ish size, but generates lift.
1540088;1473691380;trinque;have the thing circle
1540089;1473691391;asciilifeform;trinque: no especially good reason. plane with well-programmed comp can probably just as well keep station.
1540090;1473691408;mircea_popescu;airborne relay also perfectly fine.
1540091;1473691414;asciilifeform;in fact, the ideal machine would likely be an ornithopter that - unlike any extant ornithopter - rides air currents.
1540092;1473691420;mircea_popescu;anyway, the beauty of bitcoin is that it actually allows one to permissionlessly serve.
1540093;1473691428;mircea_popescu;build your chopper fleet, cover some nodes, earn BTC.
1540094;1473691456;*;shinohai is suddenly very interested
1540095;1473691482;asciilifeform;we also had a thread some years ago about flying machines draping parasitic inductor-powered relays on power lines, etc.
1540096;1473691484;Framedragger;ornithopter would be l33t
1540097;1473691487;asciilifeform;and other terrorisms.
1540098;1473691491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if i wanted it to stay put i'd simply add a baloon.
1540099;1473691500;mircea_popescu;dirigible very workable as a 2-3kg quadcopper
1540100;1473691506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wind.
1540101;1473691511;mircea_popescu;even so.
1540102;1473691515;asciilifeform;which is why few folks are riding dirigibles today.
1540103;1473691522;mircea_popescu;folks are heavy.
1540104;1473691538;Framedragger;so what, wind. have redundant amounts
1540105;1473691539;mircea_popescu;this is calculable, energy loss to course correction vs energy saved from buoyancy.
1540106;1473691560;asciilifeform;H2 has ~1g/L of lift. He2 - slightly less.
1540107;1473691563;mircea_popescu;also top of balloon makes the perfect surface for solar cells.
1540108;1473691572;Framedragger;microhabs are like a chip with cell, mass in grams
1540109;1473691588;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the copter itself would be most of the mass.
1540110;1473691613;Framedragger;unless, you know, you removed the copter!
1540111;1473691616;Framedragger;but, sure
1540112;1473691618;mircea_popescu;anyway. this sketch of a discussion should suffice to show that the enemy has no hope of ever getting a perimeter around the network again.
1540113;1473691634;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ideally you want it to empty the balloon and return "home" sometime.
1540114;1473691645;asciilifeform;some years ago i had a very lengthy exchange with al schwartz about an ocean bottle relay
1540115;1473691651;mircea_popescu;but this aside sure, the design space is wide open.
1540116;1473691669;asciilifeform;(he had - and afaik still has - a 'drop sealed champaigne bottles from airplanes, with messages, track currents' project)
1540117;1473691707;Framedragger;(for the logs - http://www.pi-in-the-sky.com/ - yes this is more of a toy - still)
1540118;1473691716;Framedragger;nice.
1540119;1473691721;asciilifeform;the nifty thing about my (circa 2009) sketch of 'naval gossipd' is that power is cheap
1540120;1473691726;asciilifeform;bottle is rolled by the waves.
1540121;1473691731;mircea_popescu;shinohai i don't think anyone seriously contemplates importing the aferations of random soi dissant sovereigns.
1540122;1473691802;mircea_popescu;re plane vs chopper : afaik per watt, chopper offers more flight than plane.
1540123;1473691830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it depends what means 'flight'
1540124;1473691832;mircea_popescu;that "lift" plane generates comes at a massive cost
1540125;1473691842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as implicit here, "be a station in flight"
1540126;1473691843;asciilifeform;chopper converts to brick (models do not have the inertial mass to autorotate) if power cut.
1540127;1473691847;asciilifeform;plane - not.
1540128;1473691864;mircea_popescu;eh, the plane-to-glider conversion is a sort of "my car is also a submarine"
1540129;1473691867;mircea_popescu;never works too well.
1540130;1473691873;BingoBoingo;<Framedragger> unless, you know, you removed the copter! << THermocouple, epoxy, car exhaust!
1540131;1473691901;mircea_popescu;yeah BingoBoingo is right, we also had the "add to people's cars, without asking the people, have it powered from heat exchange etc"
1540132;1473691943;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : more 'bang for the buck' if parasitically ovipositing on rooftop chimneys, lights, street lamps, similar.
1540133;1473691957;mircea_popescu;also, sure.
1540134;1473691961;mircea_popescu;no movement there, but yes.
1540135;1473691993;mircea_popescu;also, a chopper fleet able to do anon cctv takeout missions is something with a future.
1540136;1473692011;asciilifeform;great with a balanced diet of that 30w laser diode.
1540137;1473692015;mircea_popescu;"takeout how ?" "spray epoxy glue on lens"
1540138;1473692021;asciilifeform;lens is too cheap.
1540139;1473692023;asciilifeform;melt the ccd.
1540140;1473692055;asciilifeform;(ordinary vandals live in every town and lenses unscrew)
1540141;1473692056;mircea_popescu;the expense of servicing cameras is getting crew to mount pole etc. not the parts. the parts are all cheap - great satan just prints to cover.
1540142;1473692071;asciilifeform;in usa there are even aficionados who shoot'em out
1540143;1473692084;asciilifeform;it is common enough problem in towns with 'traffic camera.'
1540144;1473692084;mircea_popescu;chopper should also be able to fire a 38 yes.
1540145;1473692086;mircea_popescu;should work.
1540146;1473692114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the small chopper that fires so much as a 'bb' accurately and stays upright is afaik yet unsolved problem.
1540147;1473692118;mircea_popescu;and coupled with gossipd, it becomes impossible to establish "whose chopper this is". owner reports his choppers stolen, good luck "enforcing".
1540148;1473692154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, what, it can't handle a few g's ? why not ?
1540149;1473692168;asciilifeform;buy toystore chopper and then kick it in flight
1540150;1473692170;asciilifeform;and you'll see.
1540151;1473692194;asciilifeform;the motors are too small to adequately compensate for the 'jerk'.
1540152;1473692212;mircea_popescu;you compensate for it over time.
1540153;1473692218;asciilifeform;sorta same reason why 'virtual glove' never is able to simulate banging your fist on a hard table, it always ends up being a 'gellatin' table.
1540154;1473692236;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you cannot compensate for dynamic instability (roll, spin) 'over time'
1540155;1473692238;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539987 << obvious to any schoolchild - insect has ~0 to do with butter, but clearly you can see it flutter as it goes by, therefore many kids have separately come up with genius transform to flutterby
1540156;1473692238;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 14:02 mircea_popescu: incidentally, how the fuck did the "butterfly" misspelling of a flutterby catch on ?
1540157;1473692238;asciilifeform;it has to be immediate.
1540158;1473692249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: buy a toy and try it.
1540159;1473692263;asciilifeform;whack it with a table tennis paddle.
1540160;1473692299;asciilifeform;... before we lose this thread, i will point out that the correct projectile weapon for a toy flyer is 'gyrojet' rocket.
1540161;1473692305;asciilifeform;very simple to manufacture, also.
1540162;1473692319;BingoBoingo;PeterL: No, the reverse. Thing should be called Flutterby, but retards insist on calling it butterfly
1540163;1473692320;asciilifeform;this way you avoid eating the blunt end of newton's 3rd law.
1540164;1473692337;asciilifeform;!#s gyrojet
1540165;1473692338;a111;13 results for "gyrojet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gyrojet
1540166;1473692383;mircea_popescu;anyway. 38 shot is about 300 W at barrel exit. for a 3kg shooter this translates to say 10 m/s
1540167;1473692403;mircea_popescu;big whoop, over ten seconds friction + your engines reduce it to .5
1540168;1473692465;PeterL;gyroget: cool futuristic weapon that does not actually perform as well as classic rifle. Would have been useful if instead of firing bullet-sized thing would fire slightly larger grenade type thing.
1540169;1473692465;asciilifeform;if you can avoid roll.
1540170;1473692469;mircea_popescu;not to say that gyrojet is out or anything.
1540171;1473692476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well you are the one pointing the shot.
1540172;1473692485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this was, believe or not, a problem even for large plane.
1540173;1473692490;asciilifeform;who recalls the a10 gunship.
1540174;1473692502;mircea_popescu;hey, warthog does manage to fire those "girl you'd fuck" sized bullets...
1540175;1473692534;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/difficulty-up-2-3-in-fifth-adjustment-since-second-halving/ << Qntra - Difficulty Up 2.3% In Fifth Adjustment Since Second Halving
1540176;1473692539;mircea_popescu;note the GAU-8 fires 30x173 at 1km/s
1540177;1473692578;*;shinohai will release an army of these in neighborhood: http://archive.is/Sd1Yh
1540178;1473692637;mircea_popescu;!~google PGU-13/B HEI weight
1540179;1473692639;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 30mm GAU-8/A Ammunition - Orbital ATK: <https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-systems/armament-systems/30mm/docs/GAU-8A_Fact_Sheet.pdf>; PGU -46/ B HEI - Orbital ATK: <https://www.orbitalatk.com/defense-systems/armament-systems/30mm/docs/PGU-46B_Fact_Sheet.pdf>; GAU-8 Avenger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger>
1540180;1473692708;mircea_popescu;fucken useless.
1540181;1473692712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: roughly arithmetize the mass of the bullet / mass of the aircraft , in each case.
1540182;1473692719;mircea_popescu;trying to.
1540183;1473692748;asciilifeform;firing, e.g., luger, from a toy chopper, is roughly similar to the notion of firing 'big bertha' from a 'warthog'.
1540184;1473692787;asciilifeform;which is to say: you ~could~. exactly ~once~.
1540185;1473692827;mircea_popescu;seems the cannon fires 400gram projectiles, about 70/s. so it expells 30kgs of material per second ; and it weighs 150 tons.
1540186;1473692847;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the scheme contemplated here expells 100 grams of material per second, and weighs 3kgs.
1540187;1473692872;mircea_popescu;so like two degrees of magnitude off
1540188;1473692897;mircea_popescu;however, the constraints are material durability and relative density, because the main factor is atmospheric response.
1540189;1473692934;asciilifeform;that's the other thing - impedance mismatch between weapon and airframe.
1540190;1473692936;mircea_popescu;also the chopper not being a plane, it can tolerate a lot more than the warthog could.
1540191;1473692939;mircea_popescu;also, it's not manned.
1540192;1473692941;asciilifeform;the latter is typically made of soft, light stuff.
1540193;1473692954;mircea_popescu;yeah you'd need duralumin framed choppers.
1540194;1473692968;mircea_popescu;but really - using plastic for a serious (as opposed to toy) chopper is stupid, you want duralumin anyway
1540195;1473692969;asciilifeform;know why these are not in the toystore ?
1540196;1473692979;asciilifeform;small engines have atrocious power-weight ratio.
1540197;1473692996;mircea_popescu;yeah, but plastic is heavier than duralumin per strength.
1540198;1473692996;asciilifeform;modellists build aluminum choppers, they are motorbike-sized.
1540199;1473693016;asciilifeform;once in a while you hear of a fella who got carried away at the controls, lost his head.
1540200;1473693018;asciilifeform;(yes)
1540201;1473693019;mircea_popescu;modellists suffer from mental disabilities, too.
1540202;1473693029;asciilifeform;they don't scale down from that size.
1540203;1473693057;mircea_popescu;duralumin has about 70k psi.
1540204;1473693067;asciilifeform;try it on paper. take the useful payload lift of the toy engines, and subtract the mass of the aluminum airframe from it.
1540205;1473693103;mircea_popescu;whatever vynil toy store uses has what, 60 ? if you're lucky and it's very good, pvc has like 15
1540206;1473693121;mircea_popescu;so basically, a beam made of 1kg of plastic could be made of 1gram of duralumin.
1540207;1473693145;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fatigue is not the issue. behaviour under shock wave is the issue.
1540208;1473693152;asciilifeform;plastics crack.
1540209;1473693155;mircea_popescu;metal beats polymer under shock.
1540210;1473693166;mircea_popescu;quite.
1540211;1473693181;mircea_popescu;serious application chopper will be made of aluminum alloy, not vinyl.
1540212;1473693182;asciilifeform;(even the fabled glock, cracks. but at least not right away. might want to look into what glock frame was made from.)
1540213;1473693226;asciilifeform;and this is , unlike much of the other matter, not a theoretical question, folks have sweated over 'what is the smallest aluminum chopper that can fly' , read them, not me.
1540214;1473693227;mircea_popescu;and a kg of duralumin hull will cut a hole through a pile of plastic choppers.
1540215;1473693242;mircea_popescu;they are not in my wot ; i will ignore them happily.
1540216;1473693305;asciilifeform;diametric is quite likely flying an oddball chopper as we speak. roust him from his sleep, and ask.
1540217;1473693322;asciilifeform;(fella built 1,001 types.)
1540218;1473693352;mircea_popescu;!~later tell diametric do you know of a good reason a 2-3kg chopper couldn't be built on aluminum alloy frame ? not whether it is, nor why afficionado's don't, but whether couldn't.
1540219;1473693352;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
1540220;1473693388;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at the weird farms, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2698f6760e7f0f575560258cdb67b94f/tumblr_nwphykHJLg1ucyfvgo1_1280.jpg
1540221;1473693508;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/search?as_st=y&tbm=isch&as_q=aluminum+quadcopter+frame << no shortage.
1540222;1473693545;mircea_popescu;then... what are you on about lol.
1540223;1473693561;asciilifeform;the cost.
1540224;1473693568;mircea_popescu;200 bux ?
1540225;1473693570;asciilifeform;(in endurance)
1540226;1473693594;mircea_popescu; http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/MF-500mm-Aluminum-Tube-Folding-Four-axis-Alien-Quadcopter-Aircraft-Frame-w-MF-BMP-Brushless-Gimbal/206605_1562408736.html << neat looking thing, too.
1540227;1473693619;asciilifeform;i know of no example with anything but plastic props, incidentally.
1540228;1473693649;asciilifeform;they, as every aficionado knows, reliably shatter if they so much as touch a blade of grass.
1540229;1473693658;mircea_popescu;so. that item above : for 200 bucks, can fire a 38. you will have to add some software for it to fire in a convenient direction for itself while also hitting target.
1540230;1473693662;mircea_popescu;not unsolvable problem.
1540231;1473693684;asciilifeform;ideally straight down.
1540232;1473693694;mircea_popescu;or straight up, or against current mommentum or w/e.
1540233;1473693698;asciilifeform;and entirely coincidental with center of mass.
1540234;1473693723;asciilifeform;'straight up' will likely convert the thing to a brick immediately.
1540235;1473693736;mircea_popescu;possibly. depends how high this is.
1540236;1473693771;mircea_popescu;in fact, this is a study on ballistics. fire from center of mass at 3pi/4 angle, go for a parabolic ride.
1540237;1473693814;PeterL;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU << related
1540238;1473693826;mircea_popescu;(why 45 degrees ? maximum distance. which means maximum friction.)
1540239;1473693833;asciilifeform;PeterL: not that idiocy again
1540240;1473693845;PeterL;sorry
1540241;1473693850;asciilifeform;(astonishing how many imbeciles bought it wholesale)
1540242;1473693857;asciilifeform;quite reminiscent of the 'balloon boy' incident.
1540243;1473693970;mircea_popescu;quite reminescent of the "man half penis" medieval things.
1540244;1473693977;asciilifeform;dog-heads!1111
1540245;1473694001;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537276 << oblig.
1540246;1473694001;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 15:53 asciilifeform: heads, leucrota, manticores, vultures, paranders, weasels, dragons, hoopoes, owls, basilisks, hypnales, presters, spectafici, scorpions, saurians, whales, scitales, amphisbenae, iaculi, dipsases, green lizards, pilot fish, octopi, morays, and sea turtles.' -- eco's 'name of the rose'
1540247;1473694150;asciilifeform;btw if yer firing straight down, why not shotgun shell.
1540248;1473694159;mircea_popescu;i dunno why not.
1540249;1473694161;asciilifeform;more or less ideal weapon for the scenario
1540250;1473694166;asciilifeform;low-pressure; smooth bore.
1540251;1473694169;mircea_popescu;why not spider shot lol.
1540252;1473694184;asciilifeform;what's that
1540253;1473694197;mircea_popescu;ancient marine warfare thing. like linked shot but smaller.
1540254;1473694204;mircea_popescu;basically "cannonball made of chain, unwraps in flight."
1540255;1473694211;asciilifeform;can fit these, and more, in '12 gauge' shell.
1540256;1473694217;mircea_popescu;aha.
1540257;1473694218;asciilifeform;iirc they are even commercially sold in usa.
1540258;1473694222;asciilifeform;(for what, i have nfi.)
1540259;1473694231;PeterL;why not just drop bullet from above rather than firing?
1540260;1473694234;asciilifeform;there are even, iirc, white phosphorous shells.
1540261;1473694236;mircea_popescu;hey, some people take pest control seriously.
1540262;1473694244;mircea_popescu;VARMINT GUN
1540263;1473694248;asciilifeform;PeterL: great if you're 70km in orbit
1540264;1473694268;PeterL;how high would it need to be to be lethal?
1540265;1473694285;mircea_popescu;omaigerd you can do your math too cantcha ?
1540266;1473694294;asciilifeform;PeterL: ww1 state of the art
1540267;1473694300;asciilifeform;caltrop dropped from biplane.
1540268;1473694304;mircea_popescu;mv**2 = 2mgh
1540269;1473694305;asciilifeform;they also had little darts.
1540270;1473694315;PeterL;(I probably calculated that in HS physics class, but I am too lazy now)
1540271;1473694329;asciilifeform;laziness, of this type, is a sin, PeterL .
1540272;1473694337;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1000 * 2 / 2 / 10
1540273;1473694347;PeterL;sorry
1540274;1473694349;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1000 * 2 / 2 / 10 = 100
1540275;1473694352;mircea_popescu;oops
1540276;1473694355;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1000 ** 2 / 2 / 10
1540277;1473694357;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1000 ** 2 / 2 / 10 = 50000
1540278;1473694375;mircea_popescu;50km gives you 1000 m/s (ie, gau-8 muzzle velocity) for arbitrary item discounting air friction.
1540279;1473694399;asciilifeform;terminal velocity for the dart is usually much less.
1540280;1473694406;mircea_popescu;rather, yes.
1540281;1473694409;asciilifeform;you cannot actually discount the friction, aha.
1540282;1473694457;PeterL;add some fins to get it spinning, avoids tumbling
1540283;1473694466;mircea_popescu;at the cost of more friction
1540284;1473694467;asciilifeform;!# horse splashes
1540285;1473694472;asciilifeform;!#s horse splashes
1540286;1473694472;a111;6 results for "horse splashes", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=horse%20splashes
1540287;1473694502;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-14#1018441 << re terminal velocities.
1540288;1473694502;a111;Logged on 2015-02-14 05:25 asciilifeform: 'You can drop a mouse down a thousand-yard mine shaft; and, on arriving at the bottom, it gets a slight shock and walks away, provided that the ground is fairly soft. A rat is killed, a man is broken, a horse splashes.'
1540289;1473694543;mircea_popescu;such elegant expression. schwartz iirc ?
1540290;1473694552;asciilifeform;jbs haldane.
1540291;1473694559;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1540292;1473694576;asciilifeform;http://irl.cs.ucla.edu/papers/right-size.html << subj.
1540293;1473694585;asciilifeform;c. 1928.
1540294;1473694630;asciilifeform;worth a read.
1540295;1473694744;asciilifeform;and eminently relevant to the 'pistol on quadcopter' thread.
1540296;1473694899;asciilifeform;'A wet mouse has to carry about its own weight of water. A wet fly has to lift many times its own weight and, as everyone knows, a fly once wetted by water or any other liquid is in a very serious position indeed. An insect going for a drink is in as great danger as a man leaning out over a precipice in search of food. If it once falls into the grip of the surface tension of the water—that is to say, gets wet—it is likely to rema
1540297;1473694899;asciilifeform;in so until it drowns. A few insects, such as water-beetles, contrive to be unwettable; the majority keep well away from their drink by means of a long proboscis.'
1540298;1473695196;asciilifeform;and in particular, '...a large bird such as an eagle or kite does not keep in the air mainly by moving its wings. It is generally to be seen soaring, that is to say balanced on a rising column of air. And even soaring becomes more and more difficult with increasing size. Were this not the case eagles might be as large as tigers and as formidable to man as hostile aeroplanes.'
1540299;1473695281;PeterL;looks like a bullet terminal velocity is about 100 m/s, so you would reach that anywhere over 500 m.
1540300;1473695325;asciilifeform;PeterL: bombardiering is an actual thing, could read up on the problems involved with actually hitting target.
1540301;1473695336;asciilifeform;not as if subj were a new thing discovered this week.
1540302;1473695346;asciilifeform;goes back a century.
1540303;1473695403;PeterL;not saying it is new, just that it might help with quadcopter armaments, using gravity to assist rather than trying to think of shooting like guy standing on ground
1540304;1473695482;asciilifeform;one reason why ordinary airplanes drop bombs, rather than darts, is that the necessary accuracy for a dart hitting a man-sized target is not available.
1540305;1473695490;asciilifeform;for entirely mundane physical reasons.
1540306;1473695556;asciilifeform;now one interesting scenario is if the flying machine dropped ~itself~ as a bomb, using propellers for course correction on the way down.
1540307;1473695581;PeterL;smatbomb?
1540308;1473695592;PeterL;*smartbomb
1540309;1473695619;asciilifeform;not so much 'smart' required depending on what is being aimed at.
1540310;1473695664;PeterL;I guess if it is cheap enough/target is high value that could be useful
1540311;1473695723;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: So. Turns out your Drone thing is a reality.
1540312;1473695769;thestringpuller;https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/22/drone-carrying-drugs-crashes-near-mexican-us-border
1540313;1473695772;thestringpuller;old news tho
1540314;1473695791;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: these come out every month or so.
1540315;1473695797;asciilifeform;and that's just the publicized ones.
1540316;1473695882;thestringpuller;i kno. but i've talked with a hobbyist turned "professional" and does discreet delivery with drones in this manner. they've gotten highly advanced.
1540317;1473695885;Framedragger;hipster SF version still exists (found this some months ago) : https://trees.delivery/
1540318;1473695923;thestringpuller;his master idea is having a mobile charging network for long distance flights
1540319;1473695942;thestringpuller;currently dude is working on in air "refueling"
1540320;1473695970;ben_vulpes;https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/22/drone-carrying-drugs-crashes-near-mexican-us-border << why people do this and not fixed wing is a mind-boggle
1540321;1473695972;Framedragger;huh very neat, good for him says i
1540322;1473695997;ben_vulpes;could be ~entirely autonomous barring loading of landing strip coordinates
1540323;1473696019;ben_vulpes;small market of remote delivery could be served by a fleet of autonomous, gas-fueled fixed-wings.
1540324;1473696026;ben_vulpes;make the recipient fuel 'em back up, what
1540325;1473696036;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: this is actually what I just said
1540326;1473696060;ben_vulpes;no, not in the slightest wtf.
1540327;1473696078;ben_vulpes;"discreen delivery with drones in this manner" is a quadcopter per the guardian link
1540328;1473696078;trinque;said a bunch of vague and refueling in spookyquotes
1540329;1473696099;ben_vulpes;and just how does one 'refuel' a qc in flight, hot swap lipo?
1540330;1473696099;thestringpuller;no. per my commentary.
1540331;1473696134;ben_vulpes;do please cite where you said anything re fixed wing or ice
1540332;1473696136;thestringpuller;the ArduPlane project is old af, but requires actual brain to use.
1540333;1473696148;asciilifeform;lel, 'seekrit' gas-fueled model plane
1540334;1473696154;asciilifeform;ever ~heard~ one of these things go ?
1540335;1473696160;ben_vulpes;discreet 2 stroke!
1540336;1473696164;thestringpuller;"drone" is a general term ben_vulpes NO NEED to get all riled up
1540337;1473696165;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha lolk.
1540338;1473696168;ben_vulpes;discreet *ice*
1540339;1473696173;thestringpuller;Perhaps I should just use UAV for now on
1540340;1473696182;ben_vulpes;"drone" is a made up product category by mattel
1540341;1473696277;asciilifeform;'drone' as name for pilotless machine is circa ww2
1540342;1473696278;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> discreet 2 stroke! << :Launch and Retrieval vehicles double as lawcare truck!
1540343;1473696287;asciilifeform;(they were good ~strictly for target practice then)
1540344;1473696297;PeterL;I thought "drone" was just a less-TLA-y version of "UAV"?
1540345;1473696349;asciilifeform;(in ru we just say 'безпилотник')
1540346;1473696509;thestringpuller;For one two stroke engine planes are from the fucking 50's. Those are antiques. Most advanced hobbyist used nitro powered planes. They are slightly noisier than RC model, but given how high you can fly them in practice it's kinda whatever. Second, the autonomous part has been around since the arduino became "mainstream" albeit asciilifeform may find it a snore fest the APM unit can fully control an RC plane. If programmed properly it 
1540347;1473696541;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if the thing is landing cargo of cocaine or plutonium in your back yard, the noise is not 'whatever'
1540348;1473696556;thestringpuller;doesn't land.
1540349;1473696568;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: But large amounts of nitro fuel can not be excused as "occupational necessity" as 2-cycle gas/oil mix can.
1540350;1473696570;thestringpuller;or at least doesn't land with payload
1540351;1473696581;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: bomber ?
1540352;1473696637;thestringpuller;i guess it's the same physics involved.
1540353;1473696637;asciilifeform;incidentally, if noise is no concern, why not use 'pulsejet' engine as in ww2 'buzz bomb.'
1540354;1473696644;asciilifeform;doesn't get any cheaper.
1540355;1473696651;asciilifeform;no rotors, no propellers
1540356;1473696705;asciilifeform;http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/availablenow.shtml << see also.
1540357;1473696733;thestringpuller;Those fuckers.
1540358;1473696760;thestringpuller;You'll see a few muthafuckers with those things on the airfield. I dunno how "reliable" they are tho. Then again, I'm not enough of a pilot to even call myself a hobbyist.
1540359;1473696813;thestringpuller;The only reason the RC plane-UAV dropoff service became a thing was due to insurmountable traffic.
1540360;1473696864;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#586 << yes ; main point of wings in pajura is to pilot the downward thrust towards victim.
1540361;1473696865;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [15:46:35] <asciilifeform> and in particular, '...a large bird such as an eagle or kite does not keep in the air mainly by moving its wings. It is generally to be seen soaring, that is to say balanced on a rising column of air. And even soaring becomes more and more difficult with increasing size. Were this not the case eagles might be as large as tigers and as formidable to
1540362;1473696865;scriba;man as hostile aeroplanes.'
1540363;1473696869;mircea_popescu;~fins.
1540364;1473696902;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: the film clip in link is good illustration.
1540365;1473696914;asciilifeform;engine that costs what ~can of sardines costs.
1540366;1473696921;asciilifeform;no props, no pistons, no oil.
1540367;1473696942;thestringpuller;No throttle.
1540368;1473696948;asciilifeform;why not ?
1540369;1473696994;thestringpuller;was a joke. the one you sent is a pretty advanced version :P
1540370;1473697021;asciilifeform;http://www.airindustriesresearch.com/siram/images/diagram.jpg << can dispense with the flapper also.
1540371;1473697032;asciilifeform;now all you have is... a spark plug and pipe.
1540372;1473697036;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#617 << tesla "energy at distance" inductors!
1540373;1473697037;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [16:01:39] <ben_vulpes> and just how does one 'refuel' a qc in flight, hot swap lipo?
1540374;1473697072;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: large amounts of nitro fuel << hobby shops don't seem to care. People go through barrels of the thing during a nerdy weekend with friends on the airfield.
1540375;1473697106;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: $1000 piston engine on 'disposable' machine is idiocy.
1540376;1473697119;asciilifeform;fine for usg. not so great for people who actually count their money.
1540377;1473697128;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Yes, but when going out to landing strip one doesn't deal with shopkeeps. WHich is why you need to have stringtimmers on truck.
1540378;1473697130;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, the usb-bandwidth drone could in principle be designed with two batteries. it starts using one, then when dead moves to other. and design could allow for drone tango - where they connect, as per ancient thread with alf, to make bigger drone - which could conceivably allow them to swap batteries, in a strange sort of robomating dance)
1540379;1473697143;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: '2 batteries, fallover' is pretty standard.
1540380;1473697159;mircea_popescu;yes but give your friend your fallover battery isnt
1540381;1473697192;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Um. I met a hobbyist once who spent 10 grand on a plane. Point for Traffic Delivery Bypasser is to be resusable not "disposable".
1540382;1473697193;asciilifeform;recall the 'battery to fly loaf of bread to buenos aires from washington' thread ?
1540383;1473697206;mircea_popescu;yeah, none of this is very practical yet.
1540384;1473697241;mircea_popescu;i paranthesized mostly for the ... robomorphical interest. SEX! for machines! increases their lifespan, just like for people, but differently.
1540385;1473697261;mircea_popescu;"why do drones prefer to fuck young drones ?" "fresher batteries"
1540386;1473697635;mircea_popescu;incidentally, what's the current list of public trb nodes ? i have -connect=108.31.170.49 54.187.227.228 46.166.165.30 91.218.246.31 172.86.178.46 50.168.67.12 of which a coupla be answering.
1540387;1473697843;mircea_popescu;oh and re the "it's not hillary" conspiracy theory : it'd be fucking epic if they actually... switcher her with trump. "you dun wanna vote for clinton ? fine, vote for trump then!"
1540388;1473697855;mircea_popescu;"we'll just move the contents later, what."
1540389;1473698121;asciilifeform;eh i can see a, e.g., michele obama, switcheroo, but not the old fart.
1540390;1473698151;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if either of my trbtrons aren't answering, now or whenever, gimme a ping
1540391;1473698153;asciilifeform;i'd like to know.
1540392;1473698212;asciilifeform;incidentally perhaps mircea_popescu remembers this, but '-connect' results in a node that no one can ever connect to.
1540393;1473698218;asciilifeform;(it can only be operated with local knobs)
1540394;1473698234;asciilifeform;if this is the intended item, ignore.
1540395;1473698544;shinohai;From tardstalk "News: Due to DDoS attacks, there may be periodic downtime."
1540396;1473699039;mircea_popescu;aite.
1540397;1473699220;mircea_popescu;yeah imagine that, you'd expect obama'd have upgraded to a recent model sometime in the past 8 years.
1540398;1473699389;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's not an authorized part of the kabuki.
1540399;1473699407;asciilifeform;last time they had a pres who wasn't a capon, they had to shoot him.
1540400;1473699555;BingoBoingo;At is age and weight the edema has likely already capon-ized his cajones. All that's left of historical Trump the bankruptcy artist is a stimulant habit and sorry for his loss.
1540401;1473699598;asciilifeform;dunno about you BingoBoingo but i'm lookin' forward to the sovgeriatric era of usa
1540402;1473699609;asciilifeform;when they wheel one in, and cart him out 6mo later, rinse, repeat.
1540403;1473699649;BingoBoingo;lol, next time I gotta make the "candidates are old" declaration in press will have to wheel that out.
1540404;1473699665;asciilifeform;see brezhnev, andropov, et al.
1540405;1473699689;asciilifeform;!#s gerontocracy
1540406;1473699690;a111;4 results for "gerontocracy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gerontocracy
1540407;1473701218;phf;asciilifeform: are you using breadboarded/soldered version, or you ended up printing the pcb too for the keyboard controller?
1540408;1473701235;asciilifeform;phf: i bought the pcb.
1540409;1473701252;asciilifeform;you can also make own, if you like, it is not complicated.
1540410;1473701266;asciilifeform;can also load in own fw.
1540411;1473701273;asciilifeform;(the fw is not complicated either.)
1540412;1473701315;phf;i was thinking of just doing a mess of wires, but there was that shop floating around in the logs, that would print a pcb for you and put chips on it
1540413;1473701330;asciilifeform;phf: won't work. the capacitative sensing needs ~equal paths.
1540414;1473701335;asciilifeform;and minimal stray load.
1540415;1473701346;asciilifeform;macrofab will print the pcb.
1540416;1473701351;asciilifeform;and populate.
1540417;1473701372;asciilifeform;if you buy cornall's pcb, be aware that the usb jack comes off if you so much as fart on iot.
1540418;1473701374;asciilifeform;*it
1540419;1473701382;asciilifeform;verily it suxx.
1540420;1473701582;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119015 << and yes i know mircea_popescu has auto-ping, but linking here for other folks.
1540421;1473701639;shinohai;!~later tell thestringpuller http://archive.is/6eUmF
1540422;1473701639;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1540423;1473701667;asciilifeform;^ this crackpottery brought to you by h. altschuller's 'exacerbate the unwanted phenomenon to solve it' heuristic.
1540424;1473701680;asciilifeform;as described in his last 'triz' and elsewhere.
1540425;1473701692;PeterL;phf is there a way to make search on logs non-case sensitive?
1540426;1473701757;phf;PeterL: not until i fix the algorithm, that was on my backlog but got overtaken with all the stability issues
1540427;1473701934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it also solves replay.
1540428;1473701965;phf;i wanted to fix the unicode search in the process, but i'll punt on that for one. it kind of works, but not surprisingly doing boyer-moore correctly with unicode is ugly and suboptimal.
1540429;1473702322;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119016 << addendum.
1540430;1473702464;asciilifeform;phf: the hard part is to actually get a hold of a 'model f'.
1540431;1473702488;asciilifeform;(the pc xt model f is iirc unsuitable.)
1540432;1473702888;phf;like in that russian joke "i got two"
1540433;1473702952;phf;picked them up from a retrohardware person i know. pretty sure i burned some respect points for being "the retrokeyboard faggot"
1540434;1473702976;asciilifeform;phf: make sure it is not the 100x more common but identically-shaped 'terminal model-m.'
1540435;1473703041;phf;both are 6110xxx, but i'll know for sure once i start poking at them. in either case they were free
1540436;1473703052;asciilifeform;is the bottom made of iron ?
1540437;1473703057;asciilifeform;if yes - model f.
1540438;1473703079;asciilifeform;(and the legs are on round swivels)
1540439;1473703120;asciilifeform;i also recommend to sand and repaint the whole thing, with 'appliance epoxy' (get in any american houshold goods shop)
1540440;1473703123;asciilifeform;i did.
1540441;1473703269;asciilifeform;do not try to paint the legs, or the wells they rotate in. i did, and then had to scrape the paint off with a knife, they did not want to turn. the tolerances are quite surprisingly fine.
1540442;1473703321;asciilifeform;likewise do NOT try to paint the plastic clips that retain the stabilizer wires on long keys. pop'em out by pushing with a blunt pencil from the bottom side. they will happily sit back in later.
1540443;1473703324;phf;i'm having hard time figuring out how to even raise those legs without repainting
1540444;1473703343;asciilifeform;push on the round buttons.
1540445;1473703348;phf;aaah
1540446;1473703348;asciilifeform;there is a spring mechanism.
1540447;1473703360;asciilifeform;be sure to photograph it before pulling it apart.
1540448;1473703363;asciilifeform;it is a bitch to get together.
1540449;1473703424;asciilifeform;the real misery is soldering the ribbon.
1540450;1473703468;asciilifeform;desolder the old one with copper wick, do NOT simply cut it off !
1540451;1473703551;phf;nah, i'm just going to dremel the thing and replace it with cherry switches
1540452;1473703577;asciilifeform;lel phf it is easier to make new one.
1540453;1473703584;asciilifeform;there is no place for any kind of switch in that thing.
1540454;1473703588;phf;:>
1540455;1473703604;asciilifeform;( phf is prolly trolololling but pointing out for readers. )
1540456;1473703639;phf;i think the goal really is to read paino forte from capacitance. at fortississimo keyboard should start injecting random "fuck" and "motherfucker" into stream as you type
1540457;1473703671;asciilifeform;phf: i inadvertently made this the first time i put it together.
1540458;1473703681;asciilifeform;calibrated the sensitivity a little low.
1540459;1473703685;asciilifeform;or rather, high.
1540460;1473703707;asciilifeform;but yes - with this beast, you actually COULD.
1540461;1473703735;asciilifeform;another bonus is that there is no reason this thing would ever fear water, or dust.
1540462;1473703742;asciilifeform;(there are no exposed contacts)
1540463;1473703759;asciilifeform;it is almost as joyous a thing as the old reed switch keyboards in ru.
1540464;1473704112;thestringpuller;phf: Did you see the raid on that camp at burning man? Shit's gotten crazy there. Inhouse fighting.
1540465;1473704799;phf;didn't see the raid itself, but yeah much talk was about it on arrival
1540466;1473704811;asciilifeform;care to summarize for folks who have nfi ?
1540467;1473704967;phf;bezzlers come to burn, pay for overpriced accommodations, act like assholes. this year one of those overpriced accommodations places got raided. water tank poured onto audio equipment, electric lines cut, tires punctured, etc.
1540468;1473704987;asciilifeform;by whom ?
1540469;1473705035;thestringpuller;by burners who were po'ed
1540470;1473705055;asciilifeform;??
1540471;1473705062;thestringpuller;out of the other 70k people a group of them were probably like "fuck deez guys" went ot their camp and fucked it up
1540472;1473705107;asciilifeform;phf: what means 'overpriced accommodations' in this context ?
1540473;1473705112;thestringpuller;70k people go to burning man and establish camps. a small few who aren't really burners just, SF-folk who wanna do drugs and "party" would buy rvs and stuff
1540474;1473705146;thestringpuller;and then have basically burning man "Hotel style" which fine, but it was a "closed camp" which
1540475;1473705167;thestringpuller;is considered extremely rude to the hippie folk who embrace the spirit and principles of burning man
1540476;1473705205;asciilifeform;for what purpose do the 'closed' folk come to the same fest ?
1540477;1473705212;asciilifeform;they could just as easily have their own, neh ?
1540478;1473705221;*;asciilifeform quite innocent of subj
1540479;1473705245;phf;asciilifeform: well, i don't know the details of "white ocean" camp in question, but it usually involved souped up rv's, a staff of paid employees to do your cooking for you, often direct flight from wherever to black rock city airport, etc.
1540480;1473705245;PeterL;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119021 response
1540481;1473705269;*;mircea_popescu goes to read comments.
1540482;1473705303;phf;asciilifeform: sort of nobody cares if you're reach, but there's already been tension between people who are roughing it and people who are doing it in comfort.
1540483;1473705319;asciilifeform;PeterL: answer'd.
1540484;1473705344;PeterL;"Glamping" instead of "camping"
1540485;1473705344;thestringpuller;phf: well when you commodify the experience it goes against the spirit of the thing.
1540486;1473705356;asciilifeform;phf: it was a mindfuck a year or two ago reading about burningman's internal usg camp.
1540487;1473705393;phf;thestringpuller: burning man is not a TAZ, so i've no idea what you're talking about
1540488;1473705417;asciilifeform;what's that
1540489;1473705473;thestringpuller;phf: Decommodification In order to preserve the spirit of gifting, our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorships
1540490;1473705477;phf;asciilifeform: the california weirdo concept from which "burning man" sprung up.
1540491;1473705491;asciilifeform;phf: enlighten me
1540492;1473705498;thestringpuller;from >> burningman.org/culture/philosophical-center/10-principles
1540493;1473705499;asciilifeform;i thought it was just this artsy festival thing.
1540494;1473705552;thestringpuller;full thing: "In order to preserve the spirit of gifting, our community seeks to create social environments that are unmediated by commercial sponsorships, transactions, or advertising. We stand ready to protect our culture from such exploitation. We resist the substitution of consumption for participatory experience."
1540495;1473705575;thestringpuller;^- the camp in question was turning the experience into a commodity...
1540496;1473705588;ben_vulpes;yeah i mean if you buy that i've got a ticket to this other desert festival to sell ya
1540497;1473705589;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in case this wasn't obvious from the comment, the 'lighthouse' scheme is a variant of 'd-c', rather than 'sh', but with some of the advantages of the latter.
1540498;1473705617;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-california-zephyr << CH - The California Zephyr
1540499;1473705660;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: man. so bitter against da hippies.
1540500;1473705714;ben_vulpes;not even wrong
1540501;1473706829;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#689 << oya. such khruschlulz...
1540502;1473706831;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [16:59:58] <asciilifeform> dunno about you BingoBoingo but i'm lookin' forward to the sovgeriatric era of usa
1540503;1473707209;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#744 << ahahaha ok
1540504;1473707210;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [18:07:19] <phf> i think the goal really is to read paino forte from capacitance. at fortississimo keyboard should start injecting random "fuck" and "motherfucker" into stream as you type
1540505;1473707416;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#761 << yeah well tell you what, when i go to http://trilema.com/2016/lxs-ninxs/ i ALSO don't go to eat cooked rats and live with nine other people in a bathroom. i go to enjoy the cheap local cunt while preserving my luxurious lifestyle.
1540506;1473707417;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [18:31:52] <thestringpuller> 70k people go to burning man and establish camps. a small few who aren't really burners just, SF-folk who wanna do drugs and "party" would buy rvs and stuff
1540507;1473707435;mircea_popescu;sane country'd have rounded up the 70k people, beat the shit out of them, made them re-make audio equipment, tyres etc by hand
1540508;1473707438;mircea_popescu;twice, for good measure.
1540509;1473707451;mircea_popescu;the fucking entitlement in that land, it's something else by now.
1540510;1473707483;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as i understand, the tension comes from burningman having once been a 'poorfag resort' where folks pretend that mircea_popescu doesn't exist, etc.
1540511;1473707492;mircea_popescu;obviously.
1540512;1473707495;asciilifeform;*where folks go to pretend
1540513;1473707496;mircea_popescu;tough titties as well.
1540514;1473707559;asciilifeform;plus i had nfi that mircea_popescu had to move his legs to get the 'cheap local cunt', i thought it gravitated into his event horizon by itself
1540515;1473707560;mircea_popescu;optionality follows wealth not will. this is a point young dicklets love to eschew, which is why violence is a societal requirement.
1540516;1473707576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform variety is the mother of invention.
1540517;1473707649;asciilifeform;fwiw it isn't the 'cooked rat' that puts asciilifeform off the fest, but the '9 people in a bathroom'
1540518;1473707671;asciilifeform;i'd happily eat the rat in the forest, alone.
1540519;1473707681;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#770 << this is a luxury. as all other luxuries, strictly reserved for the rich.
1540520;1473707682;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [18:35:03] <phf> asciilifeform: sort of nobody cares if you're reach, but there's already been tension between people who are roughing it and people who are doing it in comfort.
1540521;1473707687;mircea_popescu;poor people don't get to not care i'm rich.
1540522;1473707715;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: except in burn land you really don't...
1540523;1473707721;mircea_popescu;evidently, eh.
1540524;1473707728;mircea_popescu;"except my wife really doesn't" also.
1540525;1473707737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh you can club'em over the head, if can be bothered, but they won't quit trying to not care - why would they.
1540526;1473707748;mircea_popescu;i am not against their trying lol.
1540527;1473707759;thestringpuller;there are plenty of rich people who go to burns with open camps :P
1540528;1473707789;mircea_popescu;for the same money they could try to become a cat-dragon or w/e. try with all their might, they still don't get to.
1540529;1473707803;thestringpuller;except that isn't _the point_
1540530;1473707807;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller optionality follows wealth not will. rich people can do whatever they want. poorfags however - poorfag.
1540531;1473707818;mircea_popescu;you don't get to say what the point is once money walks in.
1540532;1473707839;asciilifeform;which is how usg has its own posh resort inside burningman.
1540533;1473707845;mircea_popescu;rather.
1540534;1473707845;asciilifeform;as per last year's thread.
1540535;1473707849;mircea_popescu;funny - they didn't burn THAT.
1540536;1473707873;mircea_popescu;ie, they're upset at the lucky crabs, not at the guy putting them all in the pot.
1540537;1473707889;asciilifeform;crab, i suspect, understands that he cannot constructively deal with the cook.
1540538;1473707895;asciilifeform;with other crabs - yes.
1540539;1473707900;mircea_popescu;define constructively. he's meat anyway.
1540540;1473707923;asciilifeform;whatever would make a difference.
1540541;1473707925;mircea_popescu;if were gonna pour water, could as well poured it there as here.
1540542;1473707972;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: ideally a burn is based on willing participants following a set of principles i.e. decommodification. Traditionally this results in wealth being "non existent". But ideals and  actuality are usually different.
1540543;1473707977;mircea_popescu;anyway. an inept, unskilled AND DISOBEDIENT populace. in the quaint words of the virgin mary, "holy shit dude"
1540544;1473707997;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you're not serious, are you ?
1540545;1473708052;thestringpuller;in burn world I am. in this world yea it's not realistic.
1540546;1473708136;asciilifeform;now i gotta ask, would mircea_popescu bust into 'disneyland' to remind the childrenz that there aren't actually any such thing as friendly gigantic mice ?
1540547;1473708144;mircea_popescu;and this doesn't suggest anything to you ?
1540548;1473708147;asciilifeform;because as i understand 'burningman', it is a similar item
1540549;1473708160;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not really ; why'd i bothar.
1540550;1473708174;asciilifeform;well why would you bother with 'burningman' ?
1540551;1473708178;mircea_popescu;but children and young adults are different populations. i only fuck the latter.
1540552;1473708202;mircea_popescu;so yes, if need be or fancy strikes, i will break through the delusions of interesting piece of meat.
1540553;1473708218;asciilifeform;so simple cunt harvest ?
1540554;1473708240;mircea_popescu;that i am one of the few (hopefully i'm not the only one!) who also bestows the gift of cognition in the process does not change the fact.
1540555;1473708275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what else could it conceivably be used for ? you gonna hire people for your sf start-up ?
1540556;1473708326;asciilifeform;i am at a loss re any other use.
1540557;1473708345;mircea_popescu;i suppose at a young age merely rubbing on a large aggregate of human bodies counts as a use.
1540558;1473708356;phf;fwiw, we're not talking about mp coming to the burn and fucking shit up
1540559;1473708362;mircea_popescu;but with time it becomes uninteresting, and then tedious.
1540560;1473708374;mircea_popescu;phf yeah i know, buncha fucktards on mom's credit card, elliot wanna-bes.
1540561;1473708402;phf;it's very much an act from cause place by design, and if mp comes as mp and does his mp thing, only people who will complain should and must be fucked with.
1540562;1473708429;mircea_popescu;yes yes. i have no intention to burn the burn.
1540563;1473708501;mircea_popescu;anyway, the problem is evidently that the few were afraid of the many ; and the many smelled this and fucked them. wealth isn't actually involved, tis a matter of fear.
1540564;1473708512;phf;bm has always been bezzle rich, it's the big party for jwzs, and the actual confrontation is between bezzle rich san francisco hippies who "get it" and bezzle rich new york preppies who want their van fulls of paid-for bored and disinterested supermodels
1540565;1473708558;asciilifeform;fwiw i can smell the jwz from a continent away, and have never felt much desire to go.
1540566;1473708559;mircea_popescu;aha
1540567;1473708594;phf;the core of the argument "if you bring your supermodel, she must be covered in alkaline dust by friday, otherwise she looks `too clean`"
1540568;1473708633;mircea_popescu;yeah right, because i'm going to fuck roadkill to pacify the natives now.
1540569;1473708781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at a young enough age though, it easily passes for "age specific idiocy" and you don't notice.
1540570;1473709225;trinque;thestringpuller: where the fuck is this "decommodification [sic]" in the ticket price of going, lol
1540571;1473709246;trinque;shouldn't it be free because wealth is bad?
1540572;1473709258;trinque;they don't get to apply the filter of cost and then deny it!
1540573;1473709636;mircea_popescu;aaand gossipd updated.
1540574;1473709646;asciilifeform;trinque: 'презренные деньги'
1540575;1473709648;mircea_popescu;trinque you mean you can't just drive there ?!
1540576;1473709655;asciilifeform;where's that 'translate' knob again.
1540577;1473709663;mircea_popescu;!~translate RU to EN презренные деньги
1540578;1473709664;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: contemptible money
1540579;1473709670;mircea_popescu;almost!
1540580;1473709675;asciilifeform;it isn't a thing in english quite yet.
1540581;1473709683;mircea_popescu;damnable money!
1540582;1473709695;PeterL;dirty lucre?
1540583;1473709706;asciilifeform;hm. possibly.
1540584;1473709793;mircea_popescu;o hey ya not bad. filthy lucre
1540585;1473709842;shinohai;!~bash 12
1540586;1473709843;jhvh1;Last 12 lines bashed and pending publication
1540587;1473709883;*;mircea_popescu is very happy he sat down to try and pin down that spec. 
1540588;1473709884;trinque;mircea_popescu: nope. you have to buy a ticket to go to equality camp.
1540589;1473709896;mircea_popescu;it is turning into a thing of beauty.
1540590;1473709908;mircea_popescu;trinque so if i just walk in they... what ?
1540591;1473710005;trinque;dunno how or if they police it. I don't go.
1540592;1473710009;trinque;phf: ?
1540593;1473710026;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i was recently invited at some "theatric performance" in a very nice old building here, i suppose the local best-effort equivalent of one of those ny things, artsy chicks daughters/wives of lawyers etc.
1540594;1473710089;mircea_popescu;we show up, it's like a locked door. but i happen to know the doorman, so he opens up and we go in, at which point girly wants... to see id.
1540595;1473710125;mircea_popescu;i tell her i dun have any ; she explains that... "it's not her rules". i turn around, ask guy to open door as we're leaving, they go frenzied on the phones, eventually girly is like "no problem, no problem".
1540596;1473710132;mircea_popescu;apparently - didn't need id anymoar. dem rules.
1540597;1473710199;mircea_popescu;we didn't stay anyway, i have a very short tolerance for pompous idiocy these days. but i imagine the whole "ticket to go to desert camp" must be very much the same thing. what, they got chicken wire around the perimeter and watchtowers ?
1540598;1473710792;phf;it's a very large and flat desert, there's no "just walking in" without being noticed. all they need to do is line of sight the perimeter more often than it'll take you to get to perimeter
1540599;1473710957;mircea_popescu;at night ? spotlights ?
1540600;1473710961;phf;yeah
1540601;1473710967;mircea_popescu;ahahaha really ?
1540602;1473710972;phf;aha :D
1540603;1473711002;trinque;even better
1540604;1473711017;mircea_popescu;how do they get power ?
1540605;1473711030;mircea_popescu;gensets for spotlights for to make sure gets $$$ from ustards ?
1540606;1473711036;phf;a moving object on such a flat space will light up with even most cursory of sweeps, so you can keep the whole concentration camp aspect under the radar
1540607;1473711082;mircea_popescu;what if you park your van right NEXT to their invisible fence, and start giving out free beer for tits ?
1540608;1473711146;phf;i think the way it works is that bmorg technically rents out the entire black rock desert, and then puts the festival somewhere in the center
1540609;1473711157;mircea_popescu;that this affair hasn't spontaneously degenerated into about 500 different, vaguely connected camps is testament to the sheer and amazing lack of testosterone in that population.
1540610;1473711169;mircea_popescu;ahahaha rents from whom ?
1540611;1473711194;phf;usg, as represented by bureau of land management
1540612;1473711200;mircea_popescu;and you'd better not say "us govt" because then i expect proper bidding yes ?
1540613;1473711203;phf;i suspect blm are the first one to get your
1540614;1473711244;mircea_popescu;so how much btc would it cost me to organize burning man instead of "bmorg" whatever the fuck that is.
1540615;1473711299;phf;~~11500
1540616;1473711303;mircea_popescu;that this hasn't deteriorated into an endless battle of injunctions is even more shocking. bejewels, not even the lawyers work in the us anymore ?
1540617;1473711336;mircea_popescu;almost worth it to do it and then exclude all black people.
1540618;1473711345;mircea_popescu;or what'd piss off the jwz crowd more, gays ?
1540619;1473711420;phf;i suspect nobody cares enough to bid on a desert at $7 million bezzles, what would be the appeal?
1540620;1473711421;mircea_popescu;what's worse, to outbid teh inspektion der konzentrationslager and then insult the ~11.5% slice or the ~2.5% slice ?
1540621;1473711436;mircea_popescu;phf you can put "no niggers" signs every 10 paces.
1540622;1473711453;mircea_popescu;what are you going to do with 7mn ? buy advertising ?
1540623;1473711539;phf;it's already the de facto rule. i think i saw maybe 5 black people in the whole 7 days. (one said that his nickname is "nerdy digger")
1540624;1473711554;mircea_popescu;yeah, gotta go with gays.
1540625;1473711569;mircea_popescu;or you know, not gays because chicks might not show up. how about transshitheads and people with disabilities.
1540626;1473711578;mircea_popescu;lose out on that whole "i want to fuck a quadriplegic" crowd.
1540627;1473711983;asciilifeform;it's a crowd?!
1540628;1473711996;mircea_popescu;i'm sure.
1540629;1473712073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you should prolly write a lighthouse thingamajig spec and ping trilema.
1540630;1473712169;asciilifeform;i'ma throw a very basic likbez into a comment, and possibly expand on it later.
1540631;1473712486;phf;"camp polyparadise"
1540632;1473712797;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: posted.
1540633;1473712928;Framedragger;(heh nice nod to uk nuclear submarine policy asciilifeform)
1540634;1473713209;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/two-moon-junction/ << Trilema - Two Moon Junction
1540635;1473714238;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last 4 comments add up to pretty much whole idea as i conceive it.
1540636;1473714321;asciilifeform;$up kenpat07
1540637;1473714324;asciilifeform;!!up kenpat07
1540638;1473714324;deedbot;kenpat07 voiced for 30 minutes.
1540639;1473714473;phf;$help
1540640;1473714518;phf;i guess the idea is that you do "$help" and all the bots harass you with pm's of what they can do?
1540641;1473714629;asciilifeform;aha.
1540642;1473714644;asciilifeform;hopefully it will normally suffice to search the log for the last time this was done
1540643;1473715799;trinque;why do I need to see your command that results in PMs ?
1540644;1473715807;trinque;send the bot in question a "help" pm
1540645;1473715816;asciilifeform;which bot.
1540646;1473715819;asciilifeform;what if i want ~all~ ?
1540647;1473715834;asciilifeform;sum total of available commands.
1540648;1473715857;shinohai;asciilifeform: mine has page coming soon 9tm0
1540649;1473715890;asciilifeform;i like phf's scheme
1540650;1473715900;asciilifeform;$help and ALL the bots pm you.
1540651;1473715975;shinohai;You dont like individual help commands?
1540652;1473715985;asciilifeform;not if i have nfi where to send'em, shinohai
1540653;1473715999;asciilifeform;or if they consist of $!##$R#@#help, $$#$#$$help, etc.
1540654;1473716010;asciilifeform;that have to be fired individually.
1540655;1473716063;shinohai;I'm just following republic consensus accord to the laws of the bickening
1540656;1473716066;asciilifeform;alternatively i can print out a wall chart for myself once mircea_popescu is done randomly rearranging these...
1540657;1473716137;trinque;oh my god the bitching
1540658;1473716160;trinque;the prefixes were a good idea *because people's fucking bots wont stay up*
1540659;1473716177;trinque;and I can for example implement everything everyone else has over time and when theirs goes away, we shrug
1540660;1473716214;asciilifeform;trinque: for the sake of argument, it is possible to have 1 prefix that triggers, e.g., phf's bot if the latter is up, and Framedragger's if it is not, etc.
1540661;1473716243;trinque;I'm not adding a bunch of retarded state to my bot to be polite to phf's et al
1540662;1473716250;asciilifeform;fair'nuff
1540663;1473716266;trinque;would if freenode weren't a lying sack of hanno
1540664;1473716284;trinque;but it'll just mean later someone says to me "a111 was gone and deedbot silent, fuck you!"
1540665;1473716305;trinque;then later we're on gossipd and "online" doesn't mean anything
1540666;1473716349;asciilifeform;on gossipnet, 'online' means 'answers'.
1540667;1473716355;asciilifeform;just like, incidentally, on regular ne\t.
1540668;1473716357;asciilifeform;net.
1540669;1473716372;shinohai;pete_dushenski: !~help.bash
1540670;1473716382;shinohai;!~help.bash
1540671;1473716382;jhvh1;!~bash (x) will save the last number of chat lines specified. bashed content available @ http://bash.contravex.com/
1540672;1473716487;trinque;asciilifeform: so I have to mother-may-i to each other bot then
1540673;1473716492;trinque;lol, oh fuck we're about to concensus protocol!
1540674;1473716498;*;trinque runs away to drink
1540675;1473716508;asciilifeform;trinque: fortunately not.
1540676;1473716553;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539978 << lulzily, 120+ and counting unique ip hits on my www with valid refer from the gossip page.
1540677;1473716553;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 13:58 mircea_popescu: no, we're talking 17k different ips, plenty with garbled or no user agent, so you know. linked behind a password "protected" forum or w/e.
1540678;1473716866;phf;PeterL: search now case insensitive, but for english only. lmk if there are still issues. i kind of hacked it up by mapping A-Z to a-z during read. pretty sure last time i read the paper i had some elegant solution in mind, but it's been so long, i've forgotten what it was
1540679;1473716949;phf;proper unicode search (rather than octet matchin, the way it's doing it now) particularly with case-insensitivity takes like 40% performance hit.. so deferring on it for now
1540680;1473716986;phf;hmm, i'm thinking maybe "grep" search should stay case-sensitive..
1540681;1473716990;phf;asciilifeform: ^ ?
1540682;1473717339;asciilifeform;i regard case-sensitive search as ~useless.
1540683;1473717346;asciilifeform;but perhaps that's just me
1540684;1473717430;ben_vulpes;i'm with you
1540685;1473717606;phf;$s god
1540686;1473717607;phf;err
1540687;1473717611;phf;#% god
1540688;1473717615;phf;#!s god
1540689;1473717626;phf;!# god
1540690;1473717631;phf;!#s god
1540691;1473717632;a111;2277 results for "god", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=god
1540692;1473717657;ben_vulpes;^^ bash dat
1540693;1473717671;trinque;!~bash 8
1540694;1473717671;jhvh1;Last 8 lines bashed and pending publication
1540695;1473717677;trinque;wow, how did I ever manage in one go
1540696;1473717685;ben_vulpes;lord almighty
1540697;1473717735;trinque;so hatch chiles, they're delicious
1540698;1473717747;trinque;chopped a bunch of them and went ahead and touched my eye
1540699;1473717749;trinque;like you do.
1540700;1473717770;ben_vulpes;touch your dick next
1540701;1473717807;trinque;done that one before too
1540702;1473717855;asciilifeform;!#s chemists wash
1540703;1473717855;a111;0 results for "chemists wash", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=chemists%20wash
1540704;1473717858;asciilifeform;hm.
1540705;1473717859;ben_vulpes;so what's your escape...hatch?
1540706;1473717879;trinque;http://www.archaeologysouthwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Hatch-chile-ristras.jpg << grocery stores overflowing with these right now
1540707;1473717879;asciilifeform;per al schwartz, 'biologists wash hands ~before~ toilet. chemists - ~after~. physicist - never needs wash'
1540708;1473717894;trinque;lol!
1540709;1473717898;asciilifeform;err, biologists after
1540710;1473717900;asciilifeform;chemists - before.
1540711;1473717924;trinque;brain autocorrected.
1540712;1473717937;asciilifeform;trinque is apparently a case of chemist who forgot-before
1540713;1473718006;trinque;where does putting hatch chile on my dick before sex fall in the prank to assault continuum?
1540714;1473718057;mircea_popescu;!!up kenpat06
1540715;1473718058;deedbot;kenpat06 voiced for 30 minutes.
1540716;1473718131;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: holy shit did you get a bouncer?
1540717;1473718147;ben_vulpes;i went to later you and your nick completed
1540718;1473718174;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539737 << me too!
1540719;1473718174;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 03:05 pete_dushenski is glad to see ben_vulpes blogging again
1540720;1473718195;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: in other portlandlulz: https://twitter.com/wheelergoogling
1540721;1473718306;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i did, i taw a puddy tat!
1540722;1473718337;ben_vulpes;nice welcome
1540723;1473718348;pete_dushenski;my lines in channel are set to skyrocket
1540724;1473718355;ben_vulpes;moon?
1540725;1473718367;pete_dushenski;i think the doge took that one
1540726;1473718393;*;pete_dushenski goes to tweeter
1540727;1473718403;ben_vulpes;tweeeet on
1540728;1473718412;pete_dushenski;who is ted wheeler again ?
1540729;1473718420;pete_dushenski;!#s ted wheeler
1540730;1473718421;a111;1 result for "ted wheeler", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ted%20wheeler
1540731;1473718452;ben_vulpes;pdx insider baseball. twitter account in question is a good bit of "ted wheeler is a rich white out of touch dipshit" agitprop.
1540732;1473718463;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-11#555189
1540733;1473718463;a111;Logged on 2014-03-11 17:30 mike_c: wheeler & dealer
1540734;1473718516;pete_dushenski;aha. keepin it classy, libtards.
1540735;1473718544;asciilifeform;was pete_dushenski here for the gossipd mega-thread ?
1540736;1473718582;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: bits and pieces. it's well over my paygrade.
1540737;1473718610;pete_dushenski;WHICH I'M NOT ASHAMED TO ADMIT UNLIKE SUOTS
1540738;1473718670;pete_dushenski;SUTOS*, simon kinahan in particular
1540739;1473718683;asciilifeform;who's that
1540740;1473718695;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2016/superficial-ustardian-onanism-suto/#selection-205.0-207.2 <<
1540741;1473718706;asciilifeform;ah
1540742;1473718745;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, phf could a111 read out url titles ? or has mp nixed this function ?
1540743;1473718825;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: anyways, why do you ask about the mega-thread ?
1540744;1473719606;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#931 << no, more like /query bot then say help
1540745;1473719607;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:08:38] <phf> i guess the idea is that you do "$help" and all the bots harass you with pm's of what they can do?
1540746;1473719658;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#935 << word ; http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#937 << then you talk to all. there's no such usg.all as you use defined in this space.
1540747;1473719659;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:30:19] <asciilifeform> what if i want ~all~ ?
1540748;1473719694;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#943 << if you dunno where to send you should go read the logs instead. ha-ha! nothing to allcomers!
1540749;1473719695;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:33:04] <asciilifeform> not if i have nfi where to send'em, shinohai
1540750;1473719758;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1539806 << http://bots.contravex.com updated
1540751;1473719758;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 09:28 mircea_popescu: should have a proper list of commands rather than a few words description of what it does though.
1540752;1473719778;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#949 << not just that ; but botmastering threatens to become a rite of passage. i'd much rather go from 1 to 2chars control seq now, when the inconvenience is mostly baseless bitching ; than in 18 months, when i actually run out of single chars and moving is the worst utter nightmare
1540753;1473719780;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:36:00] <trinque> the prefixes were a good idea *because people's fucking bots wont stay up*
1540754;1473719800;shinohai;pete_dushenski: i like it
1540755;1473719824;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ok this is great.
1540756;1473719898;pete_dushenski;good to hear. por la republica!
1540757;1473719941;mircea_popescu;!topic
1540758;1473719949;mircea_popescu;nice.
1540759;1473719950;trinque;pete_dushenski: wd
1540760;1473719963;mircea_popescu;this is becoming quite well rounded huh.
1540761;1473719974;pete_dushenski;trinque: cheers
1540762;1473719999;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that it is
1540763;1473720057;phf;pete_dushenski: i'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who'd want to implement url reading, i suspect it's first come first served
1540764;1473720093;pete_dushenski;it came to me not in a dream but just as i was falling asleep. i didn't write the 'bot directory' idea down because... same reason einstein didn't carry notebook
1540765;1473720098;phf;pete_dushenski: don't you have a bot running? maybe a way for you to reclaim that lordship ;)
1540766;1473720112;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#952 << not to mention this is a bickening discussion. we'll have to SORT these in an order ? god help me, i'm not doing that.
1540767;1473720113;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:37:23] <trinque> I'm not adding a bunch of retarded state to my bot to be polite to phf's et al
1540768;1473720153;pete_dushenski;phf: hehe i don't have a bot atm. though by xmas i'll be in better shape to take that on.
1540769;1473720265;mircea_popescu;phf first come hm ?
1540770;1473720353;mircea_popescu;oh the urls. hm.
1540771;1473720353;mircea_popescu;http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmopt7Ldoc1qb9p9xo1_1280.jpg
1540772;1473720392;mircea_popescu;i suspect we'll have no url readers ; with the exception that all logreaders may read the line in their own www.
1540773;1473720417;trinque;the spaceman's wife?
1540774;1473720434;mircea_popescu;internet of things!
1540775;1473720442;mircea_popescu;comes alive at night and fucks your wife.
1540776;1473720445;trinque;lol
1540777;1473720462;mircea_popescu;also gives her strange feet perspective.
1540778;1473720511;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/hold-oral-contrast/ << Lol, even less medical imaging studies for Hamplanets!
1540779;1473720642;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#969 << i'm behind not even implementing unicode search.
1540780;1473720643;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:49:09] <phf> proper unicode search (rather than octet matchin, the way it's doing it now) particularly with case-insensitivity takes like 40% performance hit.. so deferring on it for now
1540781;1473720689;mircea_popescu;i'm certainly against if it means significant performance degradation for proper alphabet searches.
1540782;1473720747;mircea_popescu;!#s dick
1540783;1473720747;a111;703 results for "dick", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dick
1540784;1473720751;mircea_popescu;!#s "dick"
1540785;1473720752;a111;1153 results for "\"dick\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22dick%22
1540786;1473720761;mircea_popescu;!#s "dIcK"
1540787;1473720762;a111;1155 results for "\"dIcK\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22dIcK%22
1540788;1473720768;mircea_popescu;!#s dIcK
1540789;1473720769;a111;707 results for "dIcK", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dIcK
1540790;1473720773;mircea_popescu;hm.
1540791;1473720779;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1540792;1473720821;phf;later ones are picking up the searches themselves
1540793;1473720851;mircea_popescu;phf i know, i'm just thorn whether quoted should be case sensitive or not. aanyway, minor point.
1540794;1473720897;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#993 << i had a very pleasantly mild red hot chilli in a stu last week. cut it in hand, above the pot as it was simmering. thought nothing of it, ate the stu, moved on with life. that night, i took a hot bath, and i drew the conclusion my hand had somehow gone frostbitten indoors.
1540795;1473720899;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [22:04:15] <asciilifeform> !#s chemists wash
1540796;1473720906;mircea_popescu;because it felt EXACTLY like a very severe case.
1540797;1473720938;mircea_popescu;eventually girls figure out it's the chilli. crazy shit.
1540798;1473721014;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#1004 << i'd say depends if you put it seed vein in or out.
1540799;1473721016;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [22:06:45] <trinque> where does putting hatch chile on my dick before sex fall in the prank to assault continuum?
1540800;1473721136;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540748 << point
1540801;1473721136;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 22:34 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#943 << if you dunno where to send you should go read the logs instead. ha-ha! nothing to allcomers!
1540802;1473721137;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [21:33:04] <asciilifeform> not if i have nfi where to send'em, shinohai
1540803;1473721161;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540772 << am i the only one who habitually #t's on boxes with no www browser ?
1540804;1473721161;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 22:46 mircea_popescu: i suspect we'll have no url readers ; with the exception that all logreaders may read the line in their own www.
1540805;1473721192;asciilifeform;conversation where you have to click 1,001 times to know wtf was being answered, is not my idea of a good time.
1540806;1473721238;mircea_popescu;eh, let people curate their fucking links.
1540807;1473721241;mircea_popescu;or not put them in.
1540808;1473721253;asciilifeform;i was thinking of log links.
1540809;1473721262;mircea_popescu;they are always read by their respective bot
1540810;1473721263;asciilifeform;(rather than assbot-style randomola)
1540811;1473721267;asciilifeform;then ok.
1540812;1473721299;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes pretty lulzy but some would benefit from a strategic misspelling or two.
1540813;1473721311;mircea_popescu;"how many vacation days does mayor of poortland get"
1540814;1473721421;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540670 << sweet.
1540815;1473721421;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 21:39 shinohai: !~help.bash
1540816;1473721460;shinohai;i still got a few bugs to iron out, so patience is appreciated.
1540817;1473721486;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#1058 << i finally grasp what you meant phf ; have a111 read links to btcbase.org ; scriba will read to log.mkj.lt and so on if further ones appear.
1540818;1473721487;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [22:40:57] <phf> pete_dushenski: i'm sure there's a whole bunch of people who'd want to implement url reading, i suspect it's first come first served
1540819;1473721490;mircea_popescu;which is exactly as it works nao.
1540820;1473721518;pete_dushenski;shinohai: ofc
1540821;1473722748;*;mircea_popescu actually took the trouble of specifying asciilifeform 's disorganised-six-comment-idea , lemme know if i fucked it up.
1540822;1473722774;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2016/09/hillary-clintons-twin-legs-buckle-where-twin-towers-fell/#comment-70104
1540823;1473722965;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: she probably has the kind of pneu-monia typical of those with a, ahem, spare tire
1540824;1473722993;pete_dushenski;(lame french pun - pneu is tire en francais)
1540825;1473723026;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: At her age aspiration pneumonia is a concern. As a Clintion chemical induced pneumonia can not be dismissed either. Even a fungal Aspergillis infection is possible due to dope smoking.
1540826;1473723048;pete_dushenski;it's prolly also been a while (decades?) since hillary went for a jog or had a good shagging
1540827;1473723452;BingoBoingo;!!Up covertress
1540828;1473723452;deedbot;covertress voiced for 30 minutes.
1540829;1473723557;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: That's why I'd put a bet on aspiration pneumonia from inhaling food and beverages
1540830;1473723805;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540771 << dollars to doughnuts that was hans rickheit, my favourite living artist.
1540831;1473723805;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 22:45 mircea_popescu: http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmopt7Ldoc1qb9p9xo1_1280.jpg
1540832;1473723826;asciilifeform;known for, e.g., 'the squirrel machine'.
1540833;1473724104;asciilifeform;http://www.flickriver.com/photos/fantagraphics/sets/72157622162748846/ << excerpts.
1540834;1473724204;asciilifeform;i bet BingoBoingo would like subj.
1540835;1473724445;*;BingoBoingo may need to find that book
1540836;1473724446;BingoBoingo;brb
1540837;1473724503;pete_dushenski;bbl as well
1540838;1473724518;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is sold wherever other children's picture b00kz are sold.
1540839;1473726596;mircea_popescu;first!
1540840;1473726599;mircea_popescu;ahahaha.
1540841;1473726797;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160912/#1127 << actually i think it's some chick by the name ingrid mouth
1540842;1473726799;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-12: [23:43:25] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540771 << dollars to doughnuts that was hans rickheit, my favourite living artist.
1540843;1473729004;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr keccak is length-extension immune iirc.
1540844;1473729181;hanbot;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#220 << moar like retribution for that "elena" monstrosimovie, an exhilarating tale of beige and waiting.
1540845;1473729181;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-11: [14:50:25] * Framedragger wonders if it's the trilema-following bot army. will check
1540846;1473729194;mircea_popescu;lmao
1540847;1473729595;hanbot;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#226 << i updated it a week ago. possibly there are other guides floating around that still use $ ?
1540848;1473729595;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-11: [14:53:41] <mircea_popescu> hm i thought the wiki got updated.
1540849;1473731276;mircea_popescu;a ok.
1540850;1473732782;shinohai;o hey that reminds me eulora guide needs updating too
1540851;1473733897;asciilifeform;sooooo it'd seem like we're pretty close to gossipd schematic
1540852;1473733903;asciilifeform;imho.
1540853;1473733929;asciilifeform;the kind that includes O(1) noise rejection AND repudiatronics.
1540854;1473733953;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, trinque, Framedragger, et al ^
1540855;1473734585;asciilifeform;https://madfileformatscience.garymcgath.com/2016/09/08/libtiff-offline << in unrelated lulz:
1540856;1473734599;asciilifeform;'The Libtiff library, which has been a reference implementation of TIFF for many years, has disappeared from the Internet. It was located at remotesensing.org, a domain whose owner apparently was willing to host it without having any close connection to the project. The domain fell into someone else’s hands, and the content changed completely, breaking all links to Libtiff material.'
1540857;1473734619;asciilifeform;'For the moment, there’s no primary source for Libtiff on the Web.'
1540858;1473734626;asciilifeform;poor heathens.
1540859;1473735206;*;phf checks btcbase for canonical libtiff vpatch
1540860;1473735209;phf;waitaminute
1540861;1473736266;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency libtiff
1540862;1473736267;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: 'libtiff' is not a valid currency code.
1540863;1473736268;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: does your trb node's memory usage grow unboundedly?
1540864;1473736303;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu, phf, mod6, trinque, shinohai, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski etc
1540865;1473736344;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: mine holds rather steady between 1 and 1.1 GB, but different libc and other shit.
1540866;1473736380;ben_vulpes;i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
1540867;1473736404;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: interdasting. and you never restart it?
1540868;1473736455;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Restart every few weeks to back up blockchain. Is not trb, but other on Openbsd with trb shit bolted onto sides
1540869;1473736486;ben_vulpes;ah right. a 7.something iirc?
1540870;1473736508;BingoBoingo;ish
1540871;1473736587;phf;BingoBoingo: are you running the openbsd patch?
1540872;1473736605;BingoBoingo;phf: Nah, just some shit I chopped together drunk.
1540873;1473736610;phf;kk
1540874;1473736622;BingoBoingo;Still works so I work it.
1540875;1473736646;mod6;ben_vulpes: my test node has ~4gb of ram, it usually hangs out around the same, ~3.5G of ram for bitcoin, then after like a month it ooms.  then needs to be restarted.
1540876;1473736879;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540863 << oddly enough, it does not. hovers around 3-4GB. which is i came to the fragging hypothesis.
1540877;1473736879;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 03:11 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does your trb node's memory usage grow unboundedly?
1540878;1473736897;asciilifeform;fwiw neither zoolag nor dulap have ever oom'd.
1540879;1473736916;asciilifeform;*how i came to the
1540880;1473736921;mod6;huh, well, that's good to hear tho.
1540881;1473736922;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: any recollection of how quickly it approaches that upper bound?
1540882;1473736934;asciilifeform;week or so.
1540883;1473736950;ben_vulpes;sounds similar to what i'm seeing over here.
1540884;1473736968;asciilifeform;possibly because same proggy, lol
1540885;1473737077;asciilifeform;btw i proved last year that the in-memory block index ~does~ grow unboundedly, but very slowly.
1540886;1473737111;asciilifeform;( see july 2015 mailinglist )
1540887;1473737124;ben_vulpes;you apparently have more faith in cpp proggy determinism in memory use than i
1540888;1473737201;asciilifeform;well given as ben_vulpes was likely connecting to my boxes, he is seeing a quite similar mempool landscape to mine.
1540889;1473737652;ben_vulpes;i haven't leveled the aws banhammer, so my node's likely collecting all sorts of hilarious crud that yours isn't
1540890;1473738040;BingoBoingo;Oh, news from near ben_vulpes land http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5220
1540891;1473738090;BingoBoingo;!~later tell thestringpuller you have been slacking on blogging for a whole month
1540892;1473738090;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
1540893;1473739212;ben_vulpes;douchia law, cute
1540894;1473739457;BingoBoingo;http://www.27bslash6.com/interviews.html
1540895;1473740615;ben_vulpes;subject of pacific dindustan ("hobo island"): http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/07/theres_a_homeless_camp_on_a_ci.html
1540896;1473754241;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski please add entries to the bot page for !% !Q !W !R !A !S !X !1 !2 !3 !4 !5 !q !w !r !a !s !x with the mention "not currently allocated" or such, and a note at the end saying in sum that if one wants to make a bot for #trilema they're to take the next unallocated string for his bot's UNIQUE control code, and display what it does to us in channel.
1540897;1473754292;mircea_popescu;trinque asciilifeform & everyone : without detracting from the more important gossipd spec work, im thinking of making a bot spec. it'd require bots to answer in pm to help, help json and help sexpr. comments/ideas ?
1540898;1473754444;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#28 < no trb node of mine ever allocated 4gb ram. there's something weird there.
1540899;1473754445;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:12:59] <ben_vulpes> i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
1540900;1473754494;mircea_popescu;or maybe not, anyway, doesn't seem unbounded.
1540901;1473754512;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "weird" might be connected to the net at large and hearing all sorts of strange
1540902;1473754541;mircea_popescu;more like, weird might be having a shit malloc implementation or such, so what we do in 3.x ish you do in 4 ? i dunno.
1540903;1473754597;mircea_popescu;anyway ; i've never myself seen it cross 4. if anyone has plox to say.
1540904;1473754634;mircea_popescu;(yes it adds ~200 bytes per block due to index, but 1 gb is you know, five million of these.)
1540905;1473754651;ben_vulpes;mine's 3874 right this moment
1540906;1473754670;mircea_popescu;well add a watcher or something, mildly curious.
1540907;1473754747;mircea_popescu;grated, the notion this thing would actually allocate that much, considering what it actually does, is pretty shocking.
1540908;1473755195;ben_vulpes;it's not about to oom, so i'll just keep an eye on it personally
1540909;1473755897;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#52 << in which we find that i actually qualify for lafond's dindu status ?!
1540910;1473755897;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:40:40] <BingoBoingo> Oh, news from near ben_vulpes land http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5220
1540911;1473756063;mircea_popescu;but bonus points for his unexamined notions that monogamy-beer-and-watching-sports constitutes some sort of universal moral code.
1540912;1473756919;ben_vulpes;is there any particular reason why everyone renders block hashes in big-endian format?
1540913;1473757538;shinohai;oh hey ben_vulpes ... re: memory use growth. yes it does at first but seems to stabilize after a restart
1540914;1473757615;ben_vulpes;do you have a ballpark estimate of your nodes memory consumption and restart frequency?
1540915;1473757866;shinohai;mines like mod6's it munches 3 or so ... but i stop and restart it every Sunday.
1540916;1473757901;shinohai;I back bc up to pogo then restart it
1540917;1473758945;ben_vulpes;thanks shinohai
1540918;1473759058;shinohai;np
1540919;1473759143;shinohai;mircea_popescu: a bot spec would help clarify things, yes
1540920;1473769924;mircea_popescu;and for the amateur gynecologist class, http://67.media.tumblr.com/e596abe4184992a80292bcb920b39f48/tumblr_nq2t6eDNk91upfzuro1_500.gif
1540921;1473771311;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540909 << mircea_popescu is a wolf in the forest..?
1540922;1473771311;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 08:38 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#52 << in which we find that i actually qualify for lafond's dindu status ?!
1540923;1473771311;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:40:40] <BingoBoingo> Oh, news from near ben_vulpes land http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5220
1540924;1473771370;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540897 << sounds like a ~complete spec right here where it stands
1540925;1473771370;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 08:11 mircea_popescu: trinque asciilifeform & everyone : without detracting from the more important gossipd spec work, im thinking of making a bot spec. it'd require bots to answer in pm to help, help json and help sexpr. comments/ideas ?
1540926;1473771514;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540898 << mircea_popescu never used, afaik, the verstring patch, his heathen traffic is small , as prb ignores his nodes. which is one possible reason behind his sometimes isolation on the path to miners. not all - but many - paths lead through prb heathendom.
1540927;1473771514;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 08:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#28 < no trb node of mine ever allocated 4gb ram. there's something weird there.
1540928;1473771515;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [03:12:59] <ben_vulpes> i've been running this one for 9 days straight (previous box would OOM-kill the process every 2 days or so), and it's currently holding 3846M RES
1540929;1473771570;asciilifeform;at any rate, aside from the 300byte/block index, the rest of the load depends on mempool , and in particular mempool fragging.
1540930;1473771647;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540902 << if mircea_popescu built a rotor, he has same STATIC musltronic binary as other people with his patchset. which includes malloc etc.
1540931;1473771647;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 08:15 mircea_popescu: more like, weird might be having a shit malloc implementation or such, so what we do in 3.x ish you do in 4 ? i dunno.
1540932;1473771706;asciilifeform;(trb is 100% static, i hope this is not news to anyone)
1540933;1473771755;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540907 << it doesn't, strictly speaking, good chunk of it is frag ullage
1540934;1473771755;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 08:19 mircea_popescu: grated, the notion this thing would actually allocate that much, considering what it actually does, is pretty shocking.
1540935;1473771834;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540911 << where were these things mentioned?
1540936;1473771834;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 08:41 mircea_popescu: but bonus points for his unexamined notions that monogamy-beer-and-watching-sports constitutes some sort of universal moral code.
1540937;1473771986;asciilifeform;incidentally, i still have nfi what mircea_popescu's patchset is. understandably he can stay mum about it if he likes, but it makes his debugging reports ~useless from a trb pov.
1540938;1473772085;asciilifeform;half the time i do not even know if he is speaking of a trb -- or mpb! node.
1540939;1473772226;asciilifeform;and i have reason to suspect that mpb is catastrophically defective and fails to pass tx to trb (which, recall, is a reference, one does not get to say that it is broken in vs the unpublished mpb) under certain circumstances.
1540940;1473772231;shinohai;no one ever said chanting magic spells would be easy.
1540941;1473772255;asciilifeform;shinohai: shamaning is easy, engineering - less easy.
1540942;1473774324;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/8Sb0n : 'Paramount Pictures recently sent a DMCA takedown to Google, listing a copy of the popular operating system Ubuntu.'
1540943;1473774393;asciilifeform;in other other noose, http://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/pokemon-themed-umbreon-linux-rootkit-hits-x86-arm-systems << run MOAR dynamic linking !11
1540944;1473774635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you might have noticed that in a dispute between wolf and cow the fellow sides wiht... the cow ?
1540945;1473774647;asciilifeform;i thought it was with the farmer.
1540946;1473774675;asciilifeform;vs usg and its fines for shooting 'rare' wolf etc.
1540947;1473774677;mircea_popescu;i certainly am not about to subscribe to his homo homini bovem est
1540948;1473774701;mircea_popescu;heh. mno. he fails to say "wolf does the right thing - farmer is a fucking idiot for not shooting it. law ? what fucking law."
1540949;1473774773;mircea_popescu;in the debate of yet-another-flavoured-socialism vs wolf, i'll sit with the wolf.
1540950;1473774794;asciilifeform;wolf is a winner.
1540951;1473774799;mircea_popescu;evidently.
1540952;1473774812;asciilifeform;relatedly, i've always wondered if the thing re wolf population post-ww2 were factual.
1540953;1473774813;mircea_popescu;so you know, "honor code". what honor code, precisely ?
1540954;1473774835;mircea_popescu;and i'll tell you : he takes issue with, eg, the latin "child goes after his mother", apparently this is "an excuse of deadbeat dads".
1540955;1473774837;mircea_popescu;hurr durr.
1540956;1473774867;thestringpuller;!~later tell BingoBoingo none of the articles on my draft table seem compelling enough yet to publish. call me one of those tortured artists.
1540957;1473774867;jhvh1;thestringpuller: The operation succeeded.
1540958;1473774872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pretty sure they were, many parts in transylvania wolf was only coming back cca 1980s
1540959;1473775097;mircea_popescu;anyway. dude's "moral code" is a vaguely digested version of picket fences, whereby "hardworking man" "should" "get things" "just like all the others". it's a strand of labour thinking from the 1800s that was born out of a very strange, but temporary and self-limiting situation, and otherwise has no place in the world.
1540960;1473775142;mircea_popescu;da fuck i care that he feels equal to the plumber down the street and the banker two streets down and in the legobox that plays the role of his thinker they're "all the same" plastic figurines.
1540961;1473775158;asciilifeform;his thought process, as i gather, was roughly 'there were picketfences. and working men Got Things. and petrol was twopence/gallon. and then the weevils came. and the zombies came. if we could be rid of the zombies, of the weevils...'
1540962;1473775209;mircea_popescu;ya well. it's ridiculous, what. nobody has any need or use for him.
1540963;1473775218;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: It's your personal blog, you can run anything.
1540964;1473775228;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems like his trainees have a use
1540965;1473775234;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fella teaches, iirc, boxing.
1540966;1473775244;asciilifeform;for money.
1540967;1473775256;mircea_popescu;i sure as fuck am not about to go watch di maggio pitch with him ; nor drink the beer-flavoured-sprite he guzzles. and i'll fuck his woman, without any concern for him ; while he can't fuck mine, because she won't put up with his dumb head. life is so unfair.
1540968;1473775277;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trains ~reddit posters in a different color scheme.
1540969;1473775279;asciilifeform;as i recall, lafond is old man, has no women.
1540970;1473775283;mircea_popescu;that's the use, they... opine.
1540971;1473775304;mircea_popescu;was talking symbolicly, of teh "i watched steven segal movies and it gave me an honor code"
1540972;1473775307;asciilifeform;well i did not go to his boxing school, and have nfi if factual or cover story or wat.
1540973;1473775323;asciilifeform;perhaps BingoBoingo knows.
1540974;1473775356;mircea_popescu;what i'd be more interested in is, if BingoBoingo can explicit the "honor code" symbol as used by lafond, seeing how i read much less than him from the man.
1540975;1473775447;BingoBoingo;To the extent honor code exists in my reading of lafond, the lynchpin is Lafond won't give up his wallet to muggers and the people who do have deep failings in their attunement to reality.
1540976;1473775457;mircea_popescu;hm.
1540977;1473775471;BingoBoingo;Beyond that he's rather moral flexible
1540978;1473775479;mircea_popescu;some questions for you. fucking neighbour's wife - ok or not ok by lafond.honor-code ?
1540979;1473775514;BingoBoingo;see http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4838
1540980;1473775517;BingoBoingo;ok
1540981;1473775518;*;mircea_popescu sees
1540982;1473775540;BingoBoingo;fucking neighbor's wife is fine. Keeping your own wife after she fucks neighbor not fine.
1540983;1473775646;asciilifeform;does subj link read like 'cow man' to mircea_popescu  ?
1540984;1473775659;mircea_popescu;mk. i guess i just stereotyped him  on narrow basis with poor results.
1540985;1473775693;mircea_popescu;of course, now i don't like his idiotic position on women, but this is now on the exact opposite side of before.
1540986;1473775719;asciilifeform;'I will not lie to honorable men, but am committed to lying to women, because they cannot handle the truth and cannot be trusted with it in the face of your enemies.' << this ?
1540987;1473775721;mircea_popescu;i will daresay that if your women can't be trusted in front of enemies you've been wasting your time.
1540988;1473775725;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1540989;1473775736;asciilifeform;and where's he to get 'trustable' ones ?
1540990;1473775743;mircea_popescu;generally you make.
1540991;1473775745;asciilifeform;suitcase, airplane, namibia ?
1540992;1473775755;asciilifeform;make out of what? americans ?
1540993;1473775765;mircea_popescu;hey, i have chicks that started life as americans.
1540994;1473775772;mircea_popescu;namibia, no idea.
1540995;1473775822;mircea_popescu;anyway, he actually almost-says the wot word.
1540996;1473775921;BingoBoingo;In other news  the Bureau adds. "Lastly, you could consider modifying your vehicle with a vehicle security system or secure the catalytic converter to the vehicle frame with additional welding."
1540997;1473775929;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all kids are born in shit. as the gypsy wife said to her husband, "do we wash it or do we make another"
1540998;1473775936;BingoBoingo;lol, yes. Weld the wear item!!!
1540999;1473775976;mircea_popescu;heh
1541000;1473775983;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: aha, anything! but impaling thieves.
1541001;1473776000;asciilifeform;and lafond is basically correct, in any confrontation between honest men and thieves, usg takes the side of the thief.
1541002;1473776006;mircea_popescu;abd speaking of gynecaeum an' washings, http://67.media.tumblr.com/970a39fe189cce3011a2c85df4bb7829/tumblr_nugtx3V2Eu1slcdnxo1_1280.jpg
1541003;1473776009;asciilifeform;recall the copper thread.
1541004;1473776028;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and you know why, yes ? thief isn't asking anything from usg.
1541005;1473776049;asciilifeform;not even
1541006;1473776050;mircea_popescu;natural preference for the "quiet" child ; they're all usg's children, cuz modern democracy much like ancient tyranny is definitionally inclusive.
1541007;1473776055;asciilifeform;thief supplies valuable services to usg
1541008;1473776072;mircea_popescu;that's not a required premise.
1541009;1473776076;asciilifeform;by justifying the existence of the 'catch and release' system of police, judge, jail, etc.
1541010;1473776103;mircea_popescu;it's very much self-flattery of the monogamy-beer-and-watching-sports trabajador, that the usg somehow fears him / cares.
1541011;1473776106;mircea_popescu;usg couldn't care less.
1541012;1473776142;mircea_popescu;it's not even in any way ~aware~ mb&ws trabajador even exists, as any sort of separate or separable entity.
1541013;1473776145;asciilifeform;but it does fear the thief. at the very least, as a class. rulers who interfere with a mass plunder in progress tend to develop 'problems'.
1541014;1473776147;mircea_popescu;he's just an ex thief or a future thief.
1541015;1473776408;mircea_popescu;an' speaking of crossing your ankles, http://66.media.tumblr.com/71a3dfbdc863ee9ba9afed33d4f7b9e3/tumblr_oczn2ejuJB1u8a8ydo1_1280.jpg
1541016;1473776517;asciilifeform;also the 'thief isn't asking anything' model is quite a bit off. the 'dindus' of bmore are as actively managed and externally fed as the animals in any other zoo. no less so than the white suburban folk. neither sows, nor reaps, etc.
1541017;1473776589;mircea_popescu;yeah. but he thinks 1k in cash is "oprah rich" whereas mb&ws derp expects millions in expenditure and still whines about it.
1541018;1473776627;mircea_popescu;take the following poll : if you were given the choice of living permanently with 1 of : rodger elliot ; trayvon whatever, which'd you pick ?
1541019;1473776652;asciilifeform;the penguins, in antarctica.
1541020;1473776657;mircea_popescu;one can't talk to girls because sex ; the other can't talk to girls because sex.
1541021;1473776670;mircea_popescu;the only difference is that one has "a taste for opulence" and dings your imported german car.
1541022;1473776686;mircea_popescu;whereas the other wants to go to burning man and rub in the human dogvomit.
1541023;1473776793;asciilifeform;something is buggy here, 'trayvon' would not be found withing a cannon's shot of 'burning man' as i understand.
1541024;1473776800;asciilifeform;from yesterday's thread.
1541025;1473776807;asciilifeform;*within
1541026;1473776823;mircea_popescu;both liberal and dingus is found in all colors.
1541027;1473776836;mircea_popescu;burning man is for white wanna-bes, the black dudes have different rubspots.
1541028;1473776866;mircea_popescu;and speaking of japan,  http://67.media.tumblr.com/fca47fe0afa5fde8b94b3974564274d8/tumblr_o8j5i25yBf1tj991so7_r1_1280.jpg
1541029;1473776923;asciilifeform;^ perfectly fine chix
1541030;1473776966;mircea_popescu;how about http://67.media.tumblr.com/b1cd39c5f24a89a559007dc74c4773ac/tumblr_o4lp1woPln1s3zysso1_1280.jpg ?
1541031;1473776986;asciilifeform;l0l! where was this, 'pussyriot' ?
1541032;1473777027;mircea_popescu;pretty sure a) those neurotic ceramic salesgirls don't matter-of-factly expose their cunt as seen there and b) they've no guns.
1541033;1473777153;asciilifeform;well noshit.jpg
1541034;1473777176;asciilifeform;folks who work with pieces that actually shoot, do not have this stance.
1541035;1473777186;asciilifeform;certainly would not abide barrel in the face as pictured, etc.
1541036;1473777202;mircea_popescu;o god. myeah.
1541037;1473777226;mircea_popescu;speaking of, i wonder why not more store robberies perpetrated by nude women.
1541038;1473777242;mircea_popescu;this makes no sense to me. so you've supposedly "given up on society" and everything, right ? why the fuck are you dressed.
1541039;1473777255;asciilifeform;camouflage for getaway >
1541040;1473777255;asciilifeform;?
1541041;1473777256;mircea_popescu;go rob the bank in the buff like your ancestors teh greeks.
1541042;1473777282;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, more like "i don't care about what you think enough to not rob the place ; but god damned i care what you may say about my genitalia"
1541043;1473777289;mircea_popescu;pick a road, woman!
1541044;1473777304;asciilifeform;~0 robberies by woman on typical day where i live.
1541045;1473777322;mircea_popescu;that's another thing.
1541046;1473777327;asciilifeform;(unless they're all seeekrit)
1541047;1473777354;mircea_popescu;maybe they're all nude and the media can't report on 'em
1541048;1473777357;mircea_popescu; http://66.media.tumblr.com/c35e4918dd0193a12a9b57a5d86da76a/tumblr_mkan9o7iP71rfba0vo1_1280.png << visual aid.
1541049;1473777403;mircea_popescu;"i think the machine gun works by stabbing its victims ; but you won't notice because tits."
1541050;1473777427;asciilifeform;also won't notice that papier-mache.
1541051;1473777447;mircea_popescu;suddenly explanation re ~0 robberies is apparent.
1541052;1473777488;mircea_popescu;fact is, average woman willing to give it all away will make more over any period than average convenience store robber willing to give it all away.
1541053;1473777502;asciilifeform;( i have been told that a surprising number of robberies involves arms that are obviously, to naked eye, shams. evidently many folks lose their shit and fail to notice... )
1541054;1473777538;mircea_popescu;as the police joke goes, "every victim describes the assailant's gun the same way : it was big"
1541055;1473777594;asciilifeform;BIIIG
1541056;1473777923;asciilifeform;in other orlols, 'In terms of where the Soviet Union stood beside the United States for instance, in the '70s during the oil embargo and all of the troubles that the US was going through, the economic troubles at the time, the Soviet Union was looking pretty good. In fact, that's when we left the Soviet Union thinking we were going to this dreamy place. We got there and it's a dump. It was just an unbelievably sad sight.'
1541057;1473778005;asciilifeform;'One thing I've observed which is interesting which is that a lot of people will not admit that they're going to vote for Trump but you see it in their eyes. ... they're just keeping mum about it because their own family members will turn on them if they announced the fact that they're about to vote for Trump. There's going to be a huge number of men, specifically, angry ones who keep their anger hidden most of the time, who will wal
1541058;1473778005;asciilifeform;k into that voting booth and out of spite pull the trigger for Trump. '
1541059;1473778043;asciilifeform;( http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/09/kunstlercast-transcript.html but most of it is a snore )
1541060;1473780379;asciilifeform;!!up r00s
1541061;1473780380;deedbot;r00s voiced for 30 minutes.
1541062;1473780508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119069 << proposed 'lighthoused' spec
1541063;1473780646;asciilifeform;aaaand happy 128th comment!1111
1541064;1473782079;mircea_popescu;hm i suppose 128 is better than 100 huh
1541065;1473782184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ftr, i'm still torn on the unauthenticated lighthouse thing. enemy can still make headaches for folks by silently mutating suspected lighthouse datagrams in transit.
1541066;1473782185;mircea_popescu;eh, the soviets looked good in the 50s/60s only, and strictly because the old austro-hungarian empire was ground to dust by hovitzer fire, literally, and france/low countries etc had been bombed pretty badly. so west europe starved which it hadn't done for 3 centuries while russia starved which it had done each other decade.
1541067;1473782191;mircea_popescu;by the 70s it was already hopeless.
1541068;1473782243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'the cow barn looked great after the mansion next door was burned down by drunken sons of old man rockefeller'
1541069;1473782248;asciilifeform;fact is - looked good.
1541070;1473782266;mircea_popescu;not really. just in comparative terms. you know, like the sow looks good next to the goat.
1541071;1473782270;mircea_popescu;"at least it's shaven"
1541072;1473782276;asciilifeform;well yes.
1541073;1473782293;asciilifeform;'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale.'
1541074;1473782311;mircea_popescu;and whatever, they had some maybe-promising beginnings in modernist art ; but the narrowminded soviet derps (lenin & gf front and center) fucked it up.
1541075;1473782334;asciilifeform;where did narrowminded derps not fuck it all up.
1541076;1473782345;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i suspect this is the whole recipe of south amercan socialism : "we're just as much a bunch of idiot subhuman iron age farmers ; unlike lenin we won't fuck with proletkult"
1541077;1473782372;mircea_popescu;so there's all these "art" craps that consist of that same image of che etc.
1541078;1473782386;asciilifeform;this cult was a thing quite particular to the time and place - folks who are not making motions to industrialize etc. are not at risk.
1541079;1473782394;mircea_popescu;also.
1541080;1473782412;mircea_popescu;and industrialize in particular manner - "we'll cull the peasantry and build towns"
1541081;1473782419;asciilifeform;the hammer, if you will, is absent, south amer. is approx. 'sickle-only' place.
1541082;1473782429;mircea_popescu;sickle is unknown here.
1541083;1473782430;mircea_popescu;you know why ?
1541084;1473782434;mircea_popescu;TOO MUCH WORK.
1541085;1473782455;asciilifeform;will be known again as soon as chinese tractors quit coming in.
1541086;1473782463;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent : the sickle is the pinnacle of agricultural slavery. it requires one to literally walk bent over and using arms for 10-12 hours. only miner has harder time.)
1541087;1473782475;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah. these monkeys will just starve.
1541088;1473782487;mircea_popescu;they're already starving ; 0 willingness to do anything about it.
1541089;1473782500;asciilifeform;there is never an ~all~ monkeys starving - some remain, rediscover sickle, and work.,
1541090;1473782502;asciilifeform;.
1541091;1473782505;mircea_popescu;if carrots become scarce, rabbit doesn't start a carrot farm.
1541092;1473782518;mircea_popescu;i do not believe so.
1541093;1473782535;asciilifeform;afaik communists have not yet succeeded in actually turning people into rabbit.
1541094;1473782556;mircea_popescu;these weren't ever people.
1541095;1473782566;mircea_popescu;they appeared people back when german empire kept them afloat.
1541096;1473782584;mircea_popescu;but in the 80 years hence, slowly wound down back to their hole.
1541097;1473782614;asciilifeform;the spaniards were people.
1541098;1473782619;mircea_popescu;and it's an insult to communism to call south american communists. they're not communists, they're just dumb and lazy.
1541099;1473782625;mircea_popescu;the two may be hard to distinguish in practice, but nevertheless.
1541100;1473782635;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the spanyards from spain were people.
1541101;1473782647;asciilifeform;well yes.
1541102;1473782654;asciilifeform;it was a spanish production originally.
1541103;1473782659;mircea_popescu;but argentina is mostly built out of the italians that couldn't find us army tit to suck in europe. ie, the rejects of rejects, it's dubious italians are people at all.
1541104;1473782679;asciilifeform;where did the smart italians go ?
1541105;1473782684;mircea_popescu;nah. listen, the way these "spanish dominions" worked was that the spanish kind simple claimed the land. there wasn't a 1 spanyard per billion acres.
1541106;1473782689;mircea_popescu;which is how and why the us annexed florida.
1541107;1473782690;asciilifeform;there was a venice, (most serene!111), a genoa, etc
1541108;1473782697;mircea_popescu;that's 1500!
1541109;1473782708;asciilifeform;aha! what hole did they fall into ?
1541110;1473782711;asciilifeform;is what i'd like to know.
1541111;1473782717;mircea_popescu;i do not know. but gone they are.
1541112;1473782728;mircea_popescu;what hole did tall, slender, fine nosed egyptians fall into ?
1541113;1473782735;asciilifeform;probably same hole.
1541114;1473782747;mircea_popescu;reversion to mean is a bitch.
1541115;1473782853;mircea_popescu;think, re the "rediscover sickle and work", that sickle is a necessary product of very intensively worked lands in like europe. it's trying to adjust to pressure.
1541116;1473782865;mircea_popescu;there's no pressure here. they'll just revert to subsistence hunting/gathering.
1541117;1473782882;asciilifeform;dunno that this is still there to be reverted to.
1541118;1473782886;mircea_popescu;born tupi ; will die tupi. with the reed skirts and all.
1541119;1473782891;asciilifeform;the necessary ecosystems are ~gone.
1541120;1473782903;mircea_popescu;the grass is still there.
1541121;1473782913;asciilifeform;people dun eat grass.
1541122;1473782931;mircea_popescu;yeah, but where's grass there's rodents and bugs. people can live off dung, rodents and bugs.
1541123;1473782997;asciilifeform;at any rate, this will be tested experimentally.
1541124;1473783002;mircea_popescu;aha.
1541125;1473783003;asciilifeform;will not long remain an open question.
1541126;1473783035;mircea_popescu;not particularly an open question even now. since 1966 - 2016, 10 5-year-plans of constant decay.
1541127;1473783062;asciilifeform;i meant the q of 'how many can survive on forest rodent and cicada' etc.
1541128;1473783086;mircea_popescu;iirc it's about 0.03-0.04 / sqkm
1541129;1473783121;mircea_popescu;argentina is close to 3mn sqkm, so you're looking at possibly even 100k.
1541130;1473783188;asciilifeform;post-industrial shitholes do not necessarily cleanly fallback to '100k pygmies'
1541131;1473783213;mircea_popescu;there is no / was never any industry here.
1541132;1473783223;asciilifeform;quite possibly they will fall back to '100k cellar dwellers in stalingrad'
1541133;1473783246;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'their' industry, as i understand, is in shanghai.
1541134;1473783273;asciilifeform;exactly like usa's.
1541135;1473783278;mircea_popescu;and elliot's girlfriend was in some dude's bedroom.
1541136;1473783308;mircea_popescu;us and argentina have a lot more in common than the usian would like to think ; certainly much closer to argentina than to europe.
1541137;1473783322;mircea_popescu;~same vastly unpopulated land with pompous idiots concentrated in ports.
1541138;1473783547;mircea_popescu;anyway - the great agricultural jump between 2k and 1k bc almost doubled world population (from about 60-70 to about 110-120 mn) ; before that, the great move from subsistence hunter/gathering to pastoral lifestyle cca 7k/5k tripled it, from about 7ish to about 20ish. the earth was throughout the same 500mn sq km ; and so you can say that truly primitive men will live about 0.01 to the sq km ; mongoloids (ie, you know, horse
1541139;1473783548;mircea_popescu;riding cattle herders, like the cowboys, or Gingis Khan's men) about 0.04 or so ; and ancient world agriculturalists can get as high as 0.2 people per square kilometer.
1541140;1473783594;asciilifeform;well this is the usual picture, but it presupposes intact systems.
1541141;1473783629;mircea_popescu;then piling up two millenia of advances you get almost 1, about .8 pre-industrialization ; and our current ~8 post, via railroad, refrigeration, sanitation, etc.
1541142;1473783667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nature is very stable. recall all the inept drama about how "chernobyl is permadestroyed" ? people like to flatter themselves.
1541143;1473783705;asciilifeform;sahara ain't getting smaller, aral sea - wetter.
1541144;1473783740;mircea_popescu;with time, it will, yes.
1541145;1473783791;asciilifeform;geological time./
1541146;1473783795;mircea_popescu;aha.
1541147;1473783800;asciilifeform;perhaps gigantic cockroaches will plow it.
1541148;1473783811;mircea_popescu;when you're discussing the earth you're discussing geological time. nobody cares about people.
1541149;1473783838;asciilifeform;well iirc original q was, partially, 'will it be people'
1541150;1473783875;mircea_popescu;depends. do you mean "people" in the sense of monogamy-beer-and-watching-sports, "what my daddy told me" etc ? or do you mean people in the sense of, whoever is on the land is the people ?
1541151;1473783901;mircea_popescu;these two are only confused in the mind of the derpy englisher trying to flatter britannia.
1541152;1473783943;mircea_popescu;"I'm a 23 year old female who believes in all things kinky. I have major breeding fantasies, and have had multiple children already, all whom I have given up for adoption. I'm helping the world and being a slut all at the same time." << deeze internets.
1541153;1473783948;asciilifeform;people in the sense of continuity with the present whoever. vs 'giant cockroaches that replace us' or similar.
1541154;1473783965;asciilifeform;waiwat
1541155;1473783968;asciilifeform;what's 'breeding fantasy'
1541156;1473783998;mircea_popescu;there is nothing contiguous in the present upon which to build future contiguity.
1541157;1473784036;mircea_popescu;an' i imagine breeding fantasy is when she fantasizes about being tied in a barn, fed, impregnated etc. like a human domestic animal mix.
1541158;1473784049;mircea_popescu;ie, that exact lack of agency that itches lafond.
1541159;1473784248;asciilifeform;lol
1541160;1473784267;asciilifeform;there was iirc at least 1 american writer dude whose alien invaders had nonsentient, entirely cow-like females
1541161;1473784292;mircea_popescu;what, like ancient greece ?
1541162;1473784300;asciilifeform;like meta-greece.
1541163;1473784320;asciilifeform;y'know, the parallel greece that actually ran 'by the book' or however.
1541164;1473784350;mircea_popescu;technology breeds differentiation. pretty sure this is a stable node ; so they'll exist alright.
1541165;1473784354;mircea_popescu;entirely, however, seems unlikely.
1541166;1473784405;mircea_popescu;not sure who'd describe average working crack whore as sentient. ~same sentience as cow.
1541167;1473784554;asciilifeform;well yes, niven (and iirc it was niven, otherwise unremarkable hack) did not pull the idea out of his arse ex nihilo.
1541168;1473784579;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#225 << if you think that is what spec looks like you must be new here!
1541169;1473784580;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [15:28:28] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119069 << proposed 'lighthoused' spec
1541170;1473784628;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced that specs have been invented yet.
1541171;1473784638;asciilifeform;(if it were an adequate and total description, it would BE the proggy)
1541172;1473784883;mircea_popescu;mno.
1541173;1473784884;mircea_popescu;not at all.
1541174;1473784944;asciilifeform;any statement that can be mechanically transformed into a working program, is a program.
1541175;1473785198;mircea_popescu;maybe ; but a spec is not defined as "can mechanically be transformed into a working program".
1541176;1473785210;mircea_popescu;much like a definition of an apple is not an apple ; just so a spec is not a program.
1541177;1473785285;mircea_popescu;this idea of "code is specification" is on about the same level of intellectual sophistication as "definition by example". ie, something morons with schoolhouse jobs do.
1541178;1473785370;asciilifeform;the impracticality of 'code as specification' is wholly from the nonexistence of sane programming systems
1541179;1473785384;asciilifeform;rather than from same impracticality as 'the 10-34 thread is this here screw in washington'
1541180;1473786115;PeterL;what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
1541181;1473786995;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119078 << seems like we're back to start, eh.
1541182;1473787001;ben_vulpes;http://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/ardupilot-and-dronecode/11295 << "Due to their overwhelming desire to be able to make a proprietary autopilot stack the Platinum members staged what can only be called a coup. They removed all top level open source projects from DroneCode, leaving only their own nominees in the Technical Steering Committee."
1541183;1473787470;asciilifeform;http://adapilot.likeabird.eu << linked from ben_vulpes's link.
1541184;1473787500;PeterL;could somebody up scoopbot a sec?
1541185;1473787505;asciilifeform;!!up scoopbot
1541186;1473787506;deedbot;scoopbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1541187;1473787518;PeterL;asciilifeform> http://adapilot.likeabird.eu << linked from ben_vulpes's link
1541188;1473787519;scoopbot;AdaPilot - The Open Source Ada-ARM Autopilot Project
1541189;1473787568;asciilifeform;PeterL: in order to work correctly, this bot would have to know about every other bot, neh ?
1541190;1473787586;asciilifeform;otherwise it risks shitting out 'scoops' when scriba, a111, et al shit links.
1541191;1473787613;asciilifeform;which imho would be quite annoying.
1541192;1473787614;PeterL;right, I have an ignore list
1541193;1473787667;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541189 << things like this
1541194;1473787667;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 17:26 asciilifeform: PeterL: in order to work correctly, this bot would have to know about every other bot, neh ?
1541195;1473787716;PeterL;question, should it also ignore links in quoted lines?
1541196;1473787741;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541168 << like If I quote a quote
1541197;1473787741;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 16:36 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#225 << if you think that is what spec looks like you must be new here!
1541198;1473787741;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [15:28:28] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al : http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119069 << proposed 'lighthoused' spec
1541199;1473787745;ben_vulpes;nifty little board, asciilifeform
1541200;1473787748;asciilifeform;i'd say yes. but ask mircea_popescu when he wakes up, iirc he doesn't even like the idea of a scoopbot
1541201;1473787769;PeterL;hrm, not that, let me try again
1541202;1473787770;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i know 0 about it, it was simply mentioned in thread.
1541203;1473787782;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541183
1541204;1473787782;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 17:24 asciilifeform: http://adapilot.likeabird.eu << linked from ben_vulpes's link.
1541205;1473787876;ben_vulpes;me neither, but makes grand claims!!1
1541206;1473787883;ben_vulpes;also dev kit not actually for sale?
1541207;1473787900;asciilifeform;i did not even bother to look, ben_vulpes
1541208;1473787915;asciilifeform;at this point i have ~0 interest in heathen flying machine controllers.
1541209;1473787928;asciilifeform;if we make one, it will be from 0, and not from them.
1541210;1473787931;asciilifeform;if not - not.
1541211;1473787956;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if we did not go to highschool and did not learn how an ODE is solved.
1541212;1473788006;asciilifeform;( you do not, in point of fact, even need a digital computer; there were ODE solvers before the computer, and before the transistor. )
1541213;1473788191;ben_vulpes;indeed!
1541214;1473788215;asciilifeform;so we do not need fartupilot or whatever, for anything.
1541215;1473788227;asciilifeform;at least i don't.
1541216;1473788252;asciilifeform;i cannot speak, for instance, for diametric, i'm pretty sure he used it.
1541217;1473788303;ben_vulpes;it is fairly commonly used by people actually flying things, yes.
1541218;1473788316;ben_vulpes;adapilot, dunno. ardupilot, quite.
1541219;1473788321;asciilifeform;one of those ill-fated 'de-facto standards', like gcc.
1541220;1473788339;asciilifeform;'because no reasonable fella would ever try to write an ... !'
1541221;1473788355;asciilifeform;these are to go away. not be propped up.
1541222;1473788384;asciilifeform;if it turns out that it is impractical for one man to wrap his head around a cpp compiler, it is cpp that will have to vanish
1541223;1473788387;asciilifeform;and not fits-in-head.
1541224;1473788393;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, asciilifeform: do you have any insight re reversed block hashes per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540912 ?
1541225;1473788393;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 08:55 ben_vulpes: is there any particular reason why everyone renders block hashes in big-endian format?
1541226;1473788416;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: artifact of 'standards org' idiocy
1541227;1473788423;asciilifeform;for some reason bigendian is considered 'canonical network order'
1541228;1473788430;asciilifeform;pure simonsays.
1541229;1473788453;thestringpuller;simon says get the fuck up - pharoah monch
1541230;1473788475;ben_vulpes;aight well in light of how they come in blocks in little-endian format i propose they also get rendered that way wtf
1541231;1473788476;asciilifeform;to be fair i have nfi how to possibly escape from specifying byte order.
1541232;1473788488;asciilifeform;but to specify TWO byte orders in 1 protocol !
1541233;1473788495;ben_vulpes;hard, yes. but consistency i think here will be fine.
1541234;1473788495;asciilifeform;that is something only a jwz could love.
1541235;1473788510;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i don't think the big-endianness is even in the protocol is it?
1541236;1473788526;ben_vulpes;i read previous block hashes out little-endian just fine
1541237;1473788529;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: well where is it then ?
1541238;1473788567;ben_vulpes;all of the block explorers!
1541239;1473788574;asciilifeform;ask them, then.
1541240;1473788575;asciilifeform;not me.
1541241;1473788584;asciilifeform;i operate 0 block exploders.
1541242;1473788589;ben_vulpes;so then "no"
1541243;1473788596;asciilifeform;right.
1541244;1473788611;asciilifeform;if i had to guess - i'd guess 'openssl'.
1541245;1473788623;ben_vulpes;gross
1541246;1473788633;asciilifeform;well, they gotta hash and shit with ~something~, eh
1541247;1473788794;*;trinque has a flash of insight
1541248;1473788818;trinque;llvm will never actually implement c/c++ as currently "specified" by the existence of gcc
1541249;1473788829;asciilifeform;correct.
1541250;1473788950;asciilifeform;even gcc5 no longer does.
1541251;1473788967;asciilifeform;(it 'optimizes' away essential security checks, as discussed in at least 2 past threads )
1541252;1473789047;asciilifeform;specification-by-program is probably one of those evils that is here to stay, like cancer and airplane crashes.
1541253;1473789062;asciilifeform;it will die with the last programmer.
1541254;1473789070;asciilifeform;(who is probably already born.)
1541255;1473789113;asciilifeform;the reason why we ~have~ spec-by-program is because it is the only actual alternative to fits-in-head.
1541256;1473789126;asciilifeform;you get one, or you get the other, tertium non datur.
1541257;1473790044;asciilifeform;a specification can exist as a real object (which is very painful, consider the standard kilogram block, or trb) or an ideal object.
1541258;1473790058;asciilifeform;however an ideal object that is two+ heads wide is not a thing.
1541259;1473790083;asciilifeform;just like you cannot keep a whale in a bowl in your kitchen.
1541260;1473790091;asciilifeform;or in 10,000 bowls.
1541261;1473790124;asciilifeform;(not, at any rate, a ~live~ whale)
1541262;1473790247;asciilifeform;this is why i suspect that folks such as mircea_popescu are not allergic to the idea of a program specifying a concept, but of a concept that CAN ONLY BE specified by THIS HERE PROGRAM
1541263;1473790260;asciilifeform;granted, these have gone together inseparably for the entire history of programming.
1541264;1473790289;asciilifeform;just as folks allergic to cat often do not know that they are in fact allergic to a certain parasitic mite that lives in the animal's fur.
1541265;1473790644;asciilifeform;the fundamental mistake of 'spec by gcc' is to consider a large computer program as an ideal object.
1541266;1473790646;asciilifeform;it is not one.
1541267;1473790653;asciilifeform;it is merely a real object that can be copied and teleported.
1541268;1473790679;asciilifeform;the only computer program that qualifies to be thought of as an ideal object is one which fitsinhead.
1541269;1473792372;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#16 << very cool stuff re lighthoused, been following comments, will try to properly grok once i get some time and energy (~tomorrow). very neat work indeed
1541270;1473792372;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [02:32:33] <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, trinque, Framedragger, et al ^
1541271;1473792429;Framedragger;(um sorry for unnecessary pings)
1541272;1473793868;ben_vulpes;3913 MB, in case anyone's following along at home
1541273;1473793958;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 3913MB of what ?
1541274;1473794087;Framedragger;http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119079 s/DZ/SD/ i don't know why i wrote DZ, very unclear freudian slip
1541275;1473794163;asciilifeform;Framedragger: answr'd.
1541276;1473794396;Framedragger;A N A R C H Y
1541277;1473794454;trinque;freenode adding its 2 bitcents to the gossipd discussion.
1541278;1473794459;asciilifeform;lol
1541279;1473794464;Framedragger;"CASE IN POINT"
1541280;1473794467;asciilifeform;Framedragger: answr'd x2.
1541281;1473794491;shinohai;lolz
1541282;1473794522;shinohai;i win the most reliable bot award
1541283;1473794579;Framedragger;(deedbot not in room, and so bots don't self-voice)
1541284;1473794604;shinohai;!~bcstas
1541285;1473794604;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "bcstas" is not a valid command.
1541286;1473794608;shinohai;!~bcstats
1541287;1473794609;jhvh1;shinohai: Current Blocks: 429662 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 1761 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 1 hour, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1541288;1473794640;shinohai;yay
1541289;1473794647;*;Framedragger pats bots
1541290;1473794650;trinque;shinohai: your bot has precisely zero to do with when it rejoins during netsplit.
1541291;1473794667;shinohai;i know mine usually is the first to barf :D
1541292;1473794696;shinohai;im happy it didn't this time
1541293;1473794719;asciilifeform;phf's bot looks to be knocked out ?
1541294;1473794733;trinque;things still trickling in.
1541295;1473794841;Framedragger;asciilifeform: answer't answer't
1541296;1473794879;Framedragger;filtering udp, seriously. so no dns over udp ("dns must die" - well, i guess, fair...)
1541297;1473794903;trinque;hm, wget -r seems to not be bringing back a111 this time, lol
1541298;1473794945;asciilifeform;Framedragger: all it means is that you need a patched kernel to send and receive.
1541299;1473795001;Framedragger;asciilifeform: right. which is not a super strange thing to require anyway imho; this may be required when IP is dissected for gossipd purposes, anyway. (sure, ideally the whole thing should be (eventually) ditched.
1541300;1473795003;*;trinque got moar dakka, still no a111
1541301;1473795022;Framedragger;)
1541302;1473795027;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i'm not yet entirely certain if mircea_popescu understands that the choices on the table are strictly a) use radio b) use ip c) lay own oceanic fiber.
1541303;1473795044;Framedragger;yeah.
1541304;1473795068;asciilifeform;and that (b) means either being retarded (services built on tcp, such as www and irc) or some variation on udp.
1541305;1473795152;Framedragger;imho one should not start prototyping gossipd on tcp due to the whole stateful nature of tcp. it would make things *appear* to be so much easier - implicit packet ordering and stream control, etc. - and when things eventually need changed it's gonna suck00r bigtime
1541306;1473795175;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i won't touch a tcp 'gossipd'
1541307;1473795180;asciilifeform;not for love, nor money
1541308;1473795183;asciilifeform;who wants - go, do.
1541309;1473795253;asciilifeform;http://www.thescreamonline.com/essays/essays2-1/tsarsthumb.html << see also.
1541310;1473795303;Framedragger;[looks good, gun read laters. meatspace stuff, ttyl]
1541311;1473795364;Framedragger;ftr, the relevant capabilities in linux seem to be CAP_NET_RAW and CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE
1541312;1473795372;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/NihIk << claims the railway story was a gag. whatever.
1541313;1473795390;asciilifeform;Framedragger: we all have man pages.
1541314;1473795446;Framedragger;..and now the relevant stuff is in searchable logs! YOU'RE WELCOME no but, sorry for spam
1541315;1473795456;asciilifeform;lolk
1541316;1473795584;trinque;spb (~stephen@freenode/staff/spb): [Global notice] We've put a cloth over the self-destruct button so that nobody pushes it again. << ahahaha
1541317;1473795642;asciilifeform;how do we say http://lurkmore.to/%D0%A3%D1%87%D0%B8_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8C in ro ? or for that matter eng.? or any of the languages mircea_popescu knows.
1541318;1473795743;asciilifeform;!~translate RU to EN матчасть
1541319;1473795744;jhvh1;asciilifeform: materiel
1541320;1473795752;asciilifeform;mno. not quite.
1541321;1473795791;asciilifeform;e.g., what would you say to a dude who demands an airgun that fires supersonic bullets.
1541322;1473795873;trinque;sounds a bit like the "do you even" thing.
1541323;1473795926;trinque;or that page mentions "RTFM"
1541324;1473795932;asciilifeform;it is pointedly NOT same.
1541325;1473796028;asciilifeform;'матчасть' (contraction of, approx, 'material part') is a military term of art, refers to, e.g., how far a ru 120mm howitzer shoots when pointed at 45deg, vs 'how do we make a pincer'
1541326;1473796071;asciilifeform;it is the domain of things everyone who has direct contact with the battlefield is expected to understand.
1541327;1473796082;asciilifeform;(and to an extent, those who have indirect contact, generals, also)
1541328;1473796128;trinque;heh, this guy expects english to have a phrase for insulting someone lacking knowledge of specifics / experience
1541329;1473796141;asciilifeform;if it doesn't , it is a dire problem
1541330;1473796144;asciilifeform;and not mine, but the language's.
1541331;1473796159;asciilifeform;and it does not have to insult, but to prod - it must.
1541332;1473796172;trinque;certainly.
1541333;1473796210;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#6 << HAH :D butdon'tyoulikelongshotsandstuff
1541334;1473796211;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [01:13:01] <hanbot> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160911/#220 << moar like retribution for that "elena" monstrosimovie, an exhilarating tale of beige and waiting.
1541335;1473796253;Framedragger;(in truth, can't compare to *actually great* moving long shots etc, not in the same league at all, admittedly)
1541336;1473796444;trinque;!!up phf`
1541337;1473796444;deedbot;phf` voiced for 30 minutes.
1541338;1473796496;phf`;something something не заметили потерю бойца
1541339;1473796546;trinque;!~translate RU to EN не заметили потерю бойца
1541340;1473796547;jhvh1;trinque: We did not notice the loss of fighter
1541341;1473796560;phf`;fancy, like we're in the future or something
1541342;1473796567;asciilifeform;eh, заметили, заметили.
1541343;1473796829;mircea_popescu;heh check out the netsplits
1541344;1473796864;mod6;^
1541345;1473796906;phf`;another exciting way in which logging can fail. bot sitting on one split server, znc sitting on another split server
1541346;1473796927;asciilifeform;phf`: it is quite possible for a bot to sit on >1 server. just needs >1 nick.
1541347;1473797070;phf`;:)
1541348;1473797708;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#342 << no, actually, they're fundamentally different items.
1541349;1473797709;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [16:49:30] <asciilifeform> the impracticality of 'code as specification' is wholly from the nonexistence of sane programming systems
1541350;1473797730;mircea_popescu;i suppose effort to bridge the gap has been made, perhaps most notably the "literate code" thing, but still. spec is not code ; code is not spec.
1541351;1473797801;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#344 << to limit noise the idea is that whoever puts a link in is responsible to provide context for it ; rather than rely on automatic bot function. bots are to read their own www logs when referenced and that's it.
1541352;1473797801;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:01:55] <PeterL> what is the procedure for gettiing a bot voiced? I rewrote scoopbot to get titles of links, do I need to get it talking to deedbot/gpg decrypting things too?
1541353;1473797838;mircea_popescu;separately, if you want to register a bot you can have autovoice for it ; but in general it's a good idea to sort out the part where it voices itself as we're headed that way ; the autovoice thing is a stopgap and temporary.
1541354;1473797850;mircea_popescu;you can just take the next control code free from pete's list and go with it.
1541355;1473797899;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#346 << aqhahaha they un-open-sourced it ? lol.
1541356;1473797899;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:16:41] <ben_vulpes> http://discuss.ardupilot.org/t/ardupilot-and-dronecode/11295 << "Due to their overwhelming desire to be able to make a proprietary autopilot stack the Platinum members staged what can only be called a coup. They removed all top level open source projects from DroneCode, leaving only their own nominees in the Technical Steering Committee."
1541357;1473798017;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: answr'd.
1541358;1473798882;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it ~would~ be a considerably easier job if you answered the q, which is, do you want a description of the thing on all possible physical carriers (radio, pigeon, ip, telex, ...) or just particulars. and if so, which.
1541359;1473799541;mircea_popescu;doesn't matter which, pick one.
1541360;1473799549;asciilifeform;at any rate, i stand by my assertion that a synchronous (if you don't know what this means, look it up) carrier is unsuitable for gossipd.
1541361;1473799573;mircea_popescu;"i stand by my assertion that x" isn't terribly helpful.
1541362;1473799573;asciilifeform;i.e. if A has to ~ask~ B something and wait for a reply every time they communicate, it violates nothing-to-allcomers.
1541363;1473799591;mircea_popescu;i generally think everyone stands by their assertions until they say otherwise anyway
1541364;1473799679;asciilifeform;the other fundamental aspect, other than 'nothing-to-allcomers' is that synchronous comms over lossy media (e.g. radio) do not work well. the thing that works well is 'i'll pour a bucket of luby in your direction, and you - in mine.'
1541365;1473799698;asciilifeform;if this is not clear, i do not know how to help, perhaps somebody else ought to try.
1541366;1473799713;mircea_popescu;never you mind all that.
1541367;1473799781;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#396 << if you don't do it one way, it'll have to be done the other way. either way - it'll be the other way from the other way. what can you do.
1541368;1473799782;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:41:16] <asciilifeform> to be fair i have nfi how to possibly escape from specifying byte order.
1541369;1473799848;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#413 << doh. hence the "wars" (raging mostly in rms' mind)
1541370;1473799849;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:46:58] <trinque> llvm will never actually implement c/c++ as currently "specified" by the existence of gcc
1541371;1473799927;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#420 << no, it's a "workable" alternative to go to fucking school and learn to think. which means languages, not math. "but mp, i'm a slut, i have big udders, why should I" oops i was reading from the wrong sheet, i mean "but mp, i'm a mathgeniusboy, why should i" blabla.
1541372;1473799927;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [17:51:53] <asciilifeform> the reason why we ~have~ spec-by-program is because it is the only actual alternative to fits-in-head.
1541373;1473800000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from which sheet would you read to herr knuth ?
1541374;1473800014;mircea_popescu;let him ask me this.
1541375;1473800065;asciilifeform;'i won't answer because there is not an answer that doesn't rupture my argument' lolk.
1541376;1473800084;*;asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask.
1541377;1473800086;mircea_popescu;no, but because the question is based on a presumption that doesn't hold in practice.
1541378;1473800109;asciilifeform;which presumption ?
1541379;1473800111;mircea_popescu;"what would you say to this mental image of mine which i call by a name i culled from reality and whose existence is here predicated on supporting my position in an inexistent argument ???"
1541380;1473800143;asciilifeform;and the 'mathgeniusboy' with his udders is not a same caricature ?
1541381;1473800167;mircea_popescu;sadly.
1541382;1473800176;asciilifeform;or is it somewhere written that mircea_popescu gets to bring in these cartoons and nobody else does.
1541383;1473800194;mircea_popescu;i wasn't asking you a question with it!
1541384;1473800210;asciilifeform;aha, was making 'naked' assertion. this is better ?
1541385;1473800227;mircea_popescu;depends how you define better. but it stands in a way the question does not.
1541386;1473800406;mircea_popescu;i can say "the population of argentina has a total sum IQ of 170 over ~40mn people" ; this may be so or not, whatever ; interpreted by the reader. you can ask "o yeah, if you can build things then how would you go about building folded hypercube ?". to which i won't answer. for the reason. are they both caricatures ? maybe so. does that do anything ?
1541387;1473800413;asciilifeform;let's revisit thread - what part of 'fits in head, and speccable, or doesn't-fit-in-head, unspeccable, t. non d.' does mircea_popescu disagree with ?
1541388;1473800444;asciilifeform;can offer item that doesn't fit + is sanely speccable ?
1541389;1473800458;mircea_popescu;the part where you can spec things that don't actually fit in head. for instance, i can specify "a good fuck", or "an acceptably behaved slut" or "a boring housewife"
1541390;1473800459;asciilifeform;or of fits + unspeccable ?
1541391;1473800470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's a spec ?!
1541392;1473800479;mircea_popescu;no, it's the title of a spec.
1541393;1473800480;asciilifeform;is 'tasty' a spec for food ?
1541394;1473800500;mircea_popescu;i said "i can specify X" not "X is the spec for X"
1541395;1473800527;asciilifeform;specify, for my education, 'good fuck'
1541396;1473800597;mircea_popescu;intercourse lasting above ten minutes with female capable of orgasm on command with pelvis sufficiently toned to appreciably seal on who is serious about and dedicated to the task of pleasing the cock.
1541397;1473800624;asciilifeform;see, if you say 'fuck so strong that it leaves me unable to get up' then you did not actually specify anything, but merely offered the use of your head as a physical test standard,like that kilogram weight in france.
1541398;1473800640;mircea_popescu;except i didn't.
1541399;1473800647;asciilifeform;robert sheckley even had a hilarious story about a dude who gets conscripted to be the 'standard average fuck'.
1541400;1473800653;mircea_popescu;lol
1541401;1473800671;asciilifeform;aha, he ends up most-fucked bloke on the planet.
1541402;1473800675;asciilifeform;standard! y'know.
1541403;1473800722;mircea_popescu;anyway. standard allows you to (predictably, ie, unsurprising to third party) accept or reject instantiated examples. this does not automatically allow you to instantiate examples, though it very often helps.
1541404;1473800735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i notice you got an 'appreciably seal' in there. looks like we'll be needing the instrumented standard cock, and a figure in newton-metres ?
1541405;1473800784;mircea_popescu;yes, but that's an anthropological measure, of the ilk of "femur length in humans is 26.75% of height"
1541406;1473800811;mircea_popescu;those two decimals, 4 significant digits, are actually accurate over the fucking population. variations are rare and slight.
1541407;1473800852;asciilifeform;aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc
1541408;1473800864;mircea_popescu;and this is rather what a specification is. doesn;t allow you to produce a human ; but it allows me to reject some of your "human" products as not-human.
1541409;1473800871;asciilifeform;aha, it only rejects.
1541410;1473800894;asciilifeform;the problem is that in order to engineer, you gotta have something left after you rejected.
1541411;1473800901;mircea_popescu;large part of spec's job is exactly in the negative. a good spec allows me to construct a complete negative of the item. this is much more important than commonly realised
1541412;1473800921;mircea_popescu;most people approach spec work as a positive endeavour ; which is why mine read so bewildering at first.
1541413;1473800946;asciilifeform;it isn't bewildering.
1541414;1473800962;mircea_popescu;well not for everyone.
1541415;1473800974;asciilifeform;but imho it is missing a serious negative - synchronicity - this was 100% of my entire argument.
1541416;1473800988;asciilifeform;synchronicity is incompatible with long-term sanity.
1541417;1473800996;mircea_popescu;possible. the problem there being that the concept itself is like recursivity - poorly understood.
1541418;1473801028;asciilifeform;it so happens that i understand it, and am willing to take on whatever 'you're full of shit, explain turbulence' offered.
1541419;1473801044;mircea_popescu;well so then go for it.
1541420;1473801056;asciilifeform;i need a 'you're full of shit, explain ___'
1541421;1473801070;mircea_popescu;"you're a very pretty boy, explain your lighthouse mechanism".
1541422;1473801087;mircea_popescu;but do it over there and in whole not in part.
1541423;1473801156;asciilifeform;the part mircea_popescu took issue with was, as i understand, the mapping of 'rng that broadcasts to planet' into 'ip network' (which does not have such a thing as broadcast.)
1541424;1473801169;mircea_popescu;never mind THE PART
1541425;1473801179;asciilifeform;yes but patient - barfed. i need to know why.
1541426;1473801208;mircea_popescu;we'll find out after you tell your whole story, eh.
1541427;1473801384;asciilifeform;i'ma bake a knuth-style recipe and drop it on mircea_popescu's www, but probably not before week is out.
1541428;1473801423;asciilifeform;btw i was hoping for at least a few 'yer full of shit, how about ___' from folks ~other~ than mircea_popescu also.
1541429;1473801647;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#502 << i always thought this is what you meant by your lsd / gasmask references.
1541430;1473801648;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [19:45:32] <asciilifeform> it is pointedly NOT same.
1541431;1473801677;asciilifeform;approx.
1541432;1473801740;mircea_popescu;http://lurkmore.so/images/6/69/I_wanna_be_a_stripper.jpg << in other boobs
1541433;1473801752;asciilifeform;it means 'dude REALLY demands a pneumatic rifle with supersonic bullet, and thinks that his classical education, 400 chick harem, 9000 battleship fleet entitles him to one' approx.
1541434;1473801803;mircea_popescu;(the joke being, for the physically innocent, that sound is shockwave in gas, and consequently getting gas to move faster than sound is a challenge.)
1541435;1473801808;asciilifeform;euclid had a friend like this also iirc.
1541436;1473801811;asciilifeform;called alex.
1541437;1473801833;asciilifeform;who was pretty great, but wanted 'royal road' etc.
1541438;1473801892;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#506 << maybe it should be named in his honor!
1541439;1473801893;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [19:48:48] <trinque> heh, this guy expects english to have a phrase for insulting someone lacking knowledge of specifics / experience
1541440;1473803497;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540185 << a10 is only 15 tons it turns out, so just a single order of magnitude off of chopperpistol
1541441;1473803497;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 15:07 mircea_popescu: seems the cannon fires 400gram projectiles, about 70/s. so it expells 30kgs of material per second ; and it weighs 150 tons.
1541442;1473803525;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1541354 << yup. updated.
1541443;1473803525;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 20:17 mircea_popescu: you can just take the next control code free from pete's list and go with it.
1541444;1473803707;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-13#1540863 << i'm seeing closer to 2gb sustained ram footprint with very choosy node and 3-4gb with slutbanger
1541445;1473803707;a111;Logged on 2016-09-13 03:11 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: does your trb node's memory usage grow unboundedly?
1541446;1473803773;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you will notice that they did not put the cannon in a chopper.
1541447;1473803784;asciilifeform;ever wonder why not ?
1541448;1473803808;asciilifeform;(american love chopper like no one else)
1541449;1473803883;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i have no issue imagining the mechanics and forces at play. it's obvious to me why there's no cannonchopper.
1541450;1473803942;pete_dushenski;it would be like jetpack bazooka
1541451;1473803980;asciilifeform;one of the reasons there are no man-sized military quadcopters is that the thing has ~0 INTRINSIC stability
1541452;1473803997;asciilifeform;it must continuously work to stay in the desired orientation.
1541453;1473803998;pete_dushenski;or challenger shuttle from iss
1541454;1473804091;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: sure, unless flying machine had 'osprey' like directional boost flexibility and could counter the projectile forces directly
1541455;1473804182;phf;fire in the opposite directions at the same time
1541456;1473804197;asciilifeform;phf: that's sorta what a recoilless rifle does.
1541457;1473804207;pete_dushenski;lol! /me imagines umbrella of fire from middle of battlefield
1541458;1473804208;asciilifeform;(in the 19th c variant, one side actually fired sand)
1541459;1473804235;phf;i'm sure that's a long considered designed, but my take on it definitely comes with a trollface
1541460;1473804258;asciilifeform;however a rocket is a considerably simpler device than a recoilless rifle, with the vortex tube, and is the correct solution to 'fire from a floating turd'
1541461;1473804297;phf;incidently before fake-russian did that quadcopter video with guns, there ~was~ a youtube video of a shotgun mounted on a uav, which resulted in the poster being arrested. i can't find it though, was it in logs?
1541462;1473804352;asciilifeform;phf: perhaps you were thinking of the dude who shot a neighbour's flying snoopcam ~with~ a shotgun ?
1541463;1473804361;phf;no
1541464;1473804373;trinque;https://news.vice.com/article/teen-who-created-drone-mounted-gun-arrested-after-assaulting-cops << ?
1541465;1473804393;phf;and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqHrTtvFFIs
1541466;1473804426;asciilifeform;looks like pistol
1541467;1473804449;trinque;recoil doesn't look that bad
1541468;1473804449;asciilifeform;and apparently http://wtnh.com/2016/06/29/clinton-drone-teen-arrested-for-child-porn
1541469;1473804454;asciilifeform;Can Also Have Problems (tm)
1541470;1473804474;asciilifeform;'Police say 19-year-old Austin Haughwout never broke the law by putting weapons on drones, but he is in handcuffs now, and it’s all because of what police found on his cellphone. “There were images of children in obscene acts found on his phone,” said Sgt. Jeremiah Dunn, spokesman for the Clinton Police Department.'
1541471;1473804485;phf;ahaha
1541472;1473804499;phf;nigga had some crack on him, apparently
1541473;1473804503;asciilifeform;31333333337 terrorist even though broke no written law? now explain this comp full of cp.
1541474;1473804504;mircea_popescu;lmao
1541475;1473804505;asciilifeform;to the nice jury.
1541476;1473804547;asciilifeform;'Those videos led to an investigation by the FAA. Clinton police told News 8 that the video didn’t seem to break any laws. Those videos did get Haughwout kicked out of Central Connecticut State University. He is suing over that.'
1541477;1473804549;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1541478;1473804558;asciilifeform;can still sue from the prison when penniless, i wonder?
1541479;1473804562;asciilifeform;seems doubtful.
1541480;1473804602;asciilifeform;i suppose if heemeyer had showed off his killdozer on youtube instead of killdozing immediately when he finished building it, he would have gone to same place as this fool.
1541481;1473804622;pete_dushenski;phf: 'this nigger hung up pictures of his family everywhere!'
1541482;1473804627;asciilifeform;don't build nuke to brag on youtube.
1541483;1473804639;asciilifeform;it isn't what it's for.
1541484;1473804641;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#638 << not altogether a bad solution.
1541485;1473804641;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [22:03:02] <phf> fire in the opposite directions at the same time
1541486;1473804658;phf;pete_dushenski: +1
1541487;1473804730;mircea_popescu;check it out, the pistol on quadcopter thing a lot more workable in practice than in alf's theory ?
1541488;1473804732;mircea_popescu;tsk tsk
1541489;1473804751;phf;it is the kind of solution one were to find in yakov perelman books, with a handy back of the napkin classical mechanics calculation explaining how it would work
1541490;1473804755;mircea_popescu;anyways, i shall be back shortly.
1541491;1473804756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, can have cannon, just need massive chopper
1541492;1473804781;asciilifeform;and does anyone find it strange that the dude was not tried for the electrically fired pistol, which is banned as 'convertible to full auto' in usa ?
1541493;1473804788;asciilifeform;why did they have to cook up a cp trial for him.
1541494;1473804816;asciilifeform;pistol fired with solenoid is, per my reading, a 5-15 yr offense in usa. (ianal)
1541495;1473804938;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-12#1540616 where's cp department is well oiled and can be deployed at will. that's some fine police work, Lou
1541496;1473804938;a111;Logged on 2016-09-12 20:15 mircea_popescu: that this hasn't deteriorated into an endless battle of injunctions is even more shocking. bejewels, not even the lawyers work in the us anymore ?
1541497;1473805134;pete_dushenski;reading all the spec chatter in the logs, it's worth linking the mega-thread on the same topic from june (via levitan) : http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/15/a-brief-discourse-on-specification/
1541498;1473805348;pete_dushenski;frankly, it'd be swell as hell if mp and alf continued this debate in the comments section there - a la gossipd thread model - and then we'd have something to look back on weeks, months, or years from now.
1541499;1473805372;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: there is such a thing as logs
1541500;1473805394;pete_dushenski;logs can be messy
1541501;1473805464;pete_dushenski;and finickity to grep
1541502;1473805508;pete_dushenski;or finicky
1541503;1473806330;pete_dushenski;https://www.amazon.com/Proud-Member-Basket-Deplorables-Tshirt/dp/B01LW5XL29 << "i'm with her" has, perhaps inevitably, become "proud member of the basket of deplorables"
1541504;1473806416;pete_dushenski;o no wait i got clintons mixed up lol
1541505;1473806450;pete_dushenski;it's the "make america great again" that's become "proud member of the basket of deplorables"
1541506;1473806585;pete_dushenski;http://phys.org/news/2016-09-amazon-chief-jeff-bezos-unveils.html << speaking of blasts, amzn/bezos preparing to steal musk's thunder
1541507;1473806672;asciilifeform;i can't wait for the massive rocket 'new mbwebwebwe', which will be named for the first NIGERIAN to 419 around the earth.
1541508;1473806703;asciilifeform;(this in re 'The rocket is "named in honor of John Glenn, the first American to orbit Earth," he added.')
1541509;1473807736;pete_dushenski;"The U.S. government posted a $107 billion budget deficit in August, a 66 percent increase from the same month last year, the Treasury Department said on Tuesday… The fiscal year-to-date deficit was $621 billion through August, up 17 percent from a $530 billion deficit at the same time last year. " << a hundred $bn a month short… fuckin way to go 'world's largest economy', you ARE detroit.
1541510;1473808184;phf;even klf did it better, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-31#1442364
1541511;1473808184;a111;Logged on 2016-03-31 01:55 phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA via jwz, an old interview with klf after they burned million pounds, for the amusement of #t-a
1541512;1473808214;mircea_popescu;wut is t-a again ?
1541513;1473808256;phf;trilema, it was briefly a thing after the switch
1541514;1473808261;mircea_popescu;ah
1541515;1473808319;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#681 << lol check him out.
1541516;1473808319;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [22:22:28] <pete_dushenski> frankly, it'd be swell as hell if mp and alf continued this debate in the comments section there - a la gossipd thread model - and then we'd have something to look back on weeks, months, or years from now.
1541517;1473808320;phf;actually i'm the only one who did. and adlai
1541518;1473808363;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478986
1541519;1473808363;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 18:13 asciilifeform: trilema-assets, clearly!11111111
1541520;1473808491;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160913/#692 << it is worth noting that the deficit as accounted for is just about 10% of the gdp as accounted for, which is to say one's probably understated and the oither probably understated.
1541521;1473808492;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-13: [23:02:16] <pete_dushenski> "The U.S. government posted a $107 billion budget deficit in August, a 66 percent increase from the same month last year, the Treasury Department said on Tuesday… The fiscal year-to-date deficit was $621 billion through August, up 17 percent from a $530 billion deficit at the same time last year. " << a hundred $bn a month short… fuckin way to
1541522;1473808493;scriba;go 'world's largest economy', you ARE detroit.
1541523;1473808518;mircea_popescu;which in practical terms means the usg is taxing a further 10% of the whole gdp, on top of whatever it admits to
1541524;1473808664;pete_dushenski;0, 1, infinity. tax over 20% >>>>> 80%
1541525;1473808684;mircea_popescu;aha.
1541526;1473808719;mircea_popescu;http://66.media.tumblr.com/26ef780a6217be674356a057818ae453/tumblr_o9pxbhtW4L1u5he87o1_500.jpg < as the romanian joke goes, "what's the peak of sexual exhaustion ?" "when you ejaculate powder."
1541527;1473808766;*;pete_dushenski tries to read card. in vain.
1541528;1473810260;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-07#1536231 << same feller ripping on laocoon atm. busy bee.
1541529;1473810260;a111;Logged on 2016-09-07 16:29 asciilifeform: in other noose, 70.33.211.11 (yes, 1 box) has been ddosing trb nodes, in particular zoolag.
1541530;1473811469;*;pete_dushenski to showing
1541531;1473812005;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/13/check-out-this-piece-of-shit/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Check out this piece of shit.
1541532;1473812433;mircea_popescu;i guess now i gotta look
1541533;1473812583;adlai;phf: i wot m8?
1541534;1473812628;mircea_popescu;nope.
1541535;1473812651;mircea_popescu;and in other delicious adolescent ineptitude, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8aea18e3369e73df6af65bebe572c11c/tumblr_o496qbibXR1usejhlo1_500.gif
1541536;1473812706;mircea_popescu;shinohai trinque phf Framedragger any of you wanna get the links autoarchive thing going ?
1541537;1473812787;shinohai;looks at bot parts everywhere
1541538;1473812963;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://rapebaitacademy.com/RNapplication.html
1541539;1473813054;shinohai;did u apply?
1541540;1473813058;mircea_popescu;nah
1541541;1473813071;mircea_popescu;wtf, i'm gonna apply. what am i, 16 ?
1541542;1473813833;shinohai;!!rate covertress 1 huffing Krypton causes narcosis in humans at levels > 50%
1541543;1473813834;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ryy8g/?raw=true
1541544;1473813932;shinohai;!!v 06901D77BFA0A8210D4424D257866EAABE98CFDFA0B145766E21F5A043A7F271
1541545;1473813932;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of covertress from 1 to 1 << huffing Krypton causes narcosis in humans at levels > 50%
1541546;1473821369;mircea_popescu;and in dumpster diving today, http://67.media.tumblr.com/701b074766efeb4fc730e38a9a092c67/tumblr_o05tuownqG1uuzcs7o1_1280.jpg
1541547;1473821696;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1541548;1473821757;mircea_popescu;might be the most revolting thing i ever saw.
1541549;1473821772;asciilifeform;what, some dude fucking a ??? behind a dumpster ?
1541550;1473821791;asciilifeform;could be a pile of rags.
1541551;1473821812;asciilifeform;or maybe not. but not clear that it is a chick.
1541552;1473821827;mircea_popescu;dude, they're laying in a wet spot
1541553;1473821832;mircea_popescu;which consists of dumpster juice
1541554;1473821871;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541531 << these turn up periodically, and i mentioned it here not so as to encourage folks to play 'whack-a-mole' but to illustrate that bitcoin's socket handling sucks donkey balls
1541555;1473821871;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 00:13 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/13/check-out-this-piece-of-shit/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Check out this piece of shit.
1541556;1473821922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is not clear to me from the photo. but i'll take your word for it.
1541557;1473821972;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. let's move on to mother-daughter teams. http://66.media.tumblr.com/7e002f7a293eb5810e6f2b8fd66e374c/tumblr_nzoni3ll881ukpp39o1_1280.jpg
1541558;1473821976;mircea_popescu;better scandalous than revolting.
1541559;1473821997;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy
1541560;1473822117;asciilifeform;'Sep 13 xx:xx:xx humanoid kernel: NET: Unregistered protocol family 39' << oh hey hey lbj! turns out somebody is already gossipdating at me from the phyootoor.
1541561;1473822146;asciilifeform;don't be shy, say hello.
1541562;1473822155;mircea_popescu;lol
1541563;1473822172;mircea_popescu;technically it could be you.
1541564;1473822176;asciilifeform;aha!
1541565;1473822289;asciilifeform;perhaps it's just the usual rc6'd control packet from ftmeade for the implant in my left arsecheek. etc
1541566;1473822417;asciilifeform;eh, nm, turns out that nonsense is debugola from a packet diddler thing i was using.
1541567;1473822445;asciilifeform;snore.
1541568;1473822572;mircea_popescu;lmao
1541569;1473822785;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/13/check-out-this-piece-of-shit/#comment-50174
1541570;1473823055;mircea_popescu;trinque pete_dushenski : !!subscribe missing from your docs eh.
1541571;1473823468;trinque;updated.
1541572;1473823477;mircea_popescu;an' bot spec published, lemme know
1541573;1473823485;mircea_popescu;esp if a specific sexpr format should be included there.
1541574;1473823517;trinque;ah I was just quoting that
1541575;1473823548;asciilifeform;this is pretty spiffy
1541576;1473823548;trinque;we could go as wild as grammar for commands/args
1541577;1473823566;asciilifeform;!~step 99
1541578;1473823566;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "step" is not a valid command.
1541579;1473823583;asciilifeform;hm.
1541580;1473823615;trinque;i.e. bot barfs something like bnf in sexp form
1541581;1473823655;asciilifeform;trinque: imho that's gilding the lily.
1541582;1473823914;mircea_popescu;trinque i'm all for it, but feed it to me. i dun code much.
1541583;1473824036;trinque;argument grammar is more essentially descriptive of the item than a pile of html
1541584;1473824076;trinque;with smelly things such as html, I tend to avoid making them the canonical representation of an item
1541585;1473824131;*;mircea_popescu is kinda curious what comes out of this.
1541586;1473824134;trinque;if one had the arg grammar, he could in later days mash tab on his client and get useful completion
1541587;1473824369;trinque;commands-over-gossipd *entirely* replaces the www, and there will eventually be UI for that.
1541588;1473824394;mircea_popescu;nb.
1541589;1473824553;BingoBoingo;!~step1
1541590;1473824553;jhvh1;1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable.
1541591;1473824595;asciilifeform;!~step0
1541592;1473824595;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "step0" is not a valid command.
1541593;1473824611;asciilifeform;damn.
1541594;1473824728;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/trilema-bot-spec/ << Trilema - #trilema bot spec
1541595;1473838892;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA847D018F26A8B10BD14FA05388A71300D259ECBDF38E97F9F842981695F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.156 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1541596;1473839042;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA847D018F26A8B10BD14FA05388A71300D259ECBDF38E97F9F842981695F00E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.156 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.156 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1541597;1473839042;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1065C2FFA619AE534A1EA8853A33AD9A810557BCEFC2F45308EE932B59D47BDC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.136 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.136 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1541598;1473839042;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8A4251B53531E6F9A0A60E2B75B9256CA8412F7F4FA956F2D46772ADB2F890BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.86 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.86 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
1541599;1473840236;Framedragger;same AS as before iirc
1541600;1473840245;Framedragger;unrelated, http://store.steampowered.com/app/502940/?snr=1_7_7_popularnew_150_2 could provide some fun
1541601;1473841408;Framedragger;about dem cctv lens busting bots irl, http://imgur.com/sN1LXtE
1541602;1473846699;Framedragger;why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98
1541603;1473846699;a111;Logged on 2016-08-16 02:12 phf: i feel like tmsr needs a bard, whatever happened to vexual
1541604;1473846739;Framedragger;oh and he claimed to be a cat. skruffy the cat, he was. i miss him
1541605;1473848749;mircea_popescu;and in other spring news : out with the old, in with the new! http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltt6i7fbou1r0j4lio1_1280.jpg
1541606;1473848754;mircea_popescu;ps. is that cum on her upper lip ?
1541607;1473850020;Framedragger;heh possibru! and in other news scriba complies with the mighty bot spec (restarting)
1541608;1473850107;Framedragger;!$ hello
1541609;1473850107;scriba;Hello, world! My uptime is 0:00:25.
1541610;1473850111;Framedragger;!$ help
1541611;1473850144;Framedragger;[need to restart again - sorry]
1541612;1473850305;shinohai;!~die
1541613;1473850305;jhvh1;You have died of dysentery
1541614;1473850479;Framedragger;!$ help
1541615;1473850580;Framedragger;mkay worx. @all lemme know if output makes sense. /msg scriba help or !$ help
1541616;1473853066;mircea_popescu;cool.
1541617;1473853627;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#7 << would this bot functionality only include silently scooping all links and (silently) submitting to archive.is?
1541618;1473853627;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [00:25:06] <mircea_popescu> shinohai trinque phf Framedragger any of you wanna get the links autoarchive thing going ?
1541619;1473853633;Framedragger;!#s scoopbot
1541620;1473853634;a111;435 results for "scoopbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=scoopbot
1541621;1473853688;shinohai;i tried making archive,is bot but it barfs sometimes if link has already been submitted
1541622;1473853719;Framedragger;PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway?
1541623;1473853727;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yes.
1541624;1473853741;Framedragger;shinohai: exception handling much?! :D
1541625;1473853747;mircea_popescu;multiple/all bots doing this would not cause any problems either.
1541626;1473853808;Framedragger;aha. in which case i'll add a thing to scriba and PeterL can do it too and then there'll be some redundancy there, too. sounds good to me
1541627;1473853835;mircea_popescu;perfect. feel free to use whatever archive services you prefer, also. i tend to like archive.is, but it's by no means the only one.
1541628;1473853886;mircea_popescu;but for my own cluing-in : is it possible to write code so that you obtain the same microtime value from two separate calls for it ?
1541629;1473853923;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re archiving, right! will update laters.
1541630;1473853935;*;mircea_popescu 's naive notion of microtime would be "returns cycle count", and since all instructions take at least 1 cycle...
1541631;1473853998;Framedragger;i don't know. (asciilifeform?) but look, in http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2607263/how-precise-is-the-internal-clock-of-a-modern-pc there are hints of madness and inconsistency. "returns clock count" doesn't seem to be it.
1541632;1473854012;Framedragger;most systems do not provide that level of info to userland at all afaik
1541633;1473854020;Framedragger;which yes is sad and fuck x86
1541634;1473854028;mircea_popescu;date +%N 353690185 < on a 3ghz machine eg.
1541635;1473854040;mircea_popescu;nanoseconds is 10 -9, which...
1541636;1473854108;Framedragger;remains to be seen if those are actually accurate. i recall wanting to obtain ns-level timing in a small no-bullshit C program, wasn't able to, reliably. could've been my failure, tho. really wouldn't trust those values
1541637;1473854159;Framedragger;some dude got the same values from multiple calls to microtime but that was in php and could have been php caching things, because, php
1541638;1473854252;Framedragger;(linux appears to require `rdtsc` to be able to return something akin to tick count. asciilifeform maybe knows if this is a doomed affair.)
1541639;1473854488;Framedragger;"rdtsc is not guaranteed to be available on every CPU, or to run at a constant rate, *or be consistent between different cores.*" (emphasis mine). `get_cycles()` is recommended, but from cursory look it seems that on some architectures it uses rdtsc internally? madness.
1541640;1473856250;mircea_popescu;in other news, apparently it is impossible to establish the calorie value of garbanzo beans. "somewhere between 80 and 150" should be good enough for anyone!!1
1541641;1473856306;mircea_popescu;Framedragger thinkl about it though : if they coincide, and they also coincide in the same second, all that happens is that your lighthouse... skips a beat.
1541642;1473856309;mircea_popescu;whoop de doo.
1541643;1473856452;mircea_popescu;incidentally, and re http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119099 : if anyone likes to fuck around with markov chains etc, a prototype implementation of that would be perfect at this juncture.
1541644;1473856473;mircea_popescu;just take however many lines of x person here, create however many bogus lines, put on your blog or w/e.
1541645;1473856511;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: understand and agree. it's worth to have it be pointed out in the comments if only so that someone doesn't start assuming that the spec implicitly provides guarantees of uniqueness etc. and good to have a picture of the madness and lack of guarantee anyway. but i guess you're right
1541646;1473856534;mircea_popescu;yeah, by now it's becoming evident that gossipd is to be delivered with a config file and a VERY LONG helpfile.
1541647;1473856558;Framedragger;man i'll write an mp markov bot one of those days for sure. will probably sneak it into irc bot till it gets banned, too; see how long before people realise it's a bot
1541648;1473856565;Framedragger;for reals
1541649;1473856571;Framedragger;these*
1541650;1473856572;mircea_popescu;lol. have fun.
1541651;1473856597;Framedragger;obligatory link for the logs, http://kingjamesprogramming.tumblr.com/
1541652;1473856607;mircea_popescu;adding a !#wws mircea_popescu for "what would mircea_popescu say" can't hurt anything
1541653;1473856653;mircea_popescu;let's keep terrorism fun after all!
1541654;1473856749;Framedragger;"34:7 What man is there that knoweth not how to go about doing arithmetic on polynomials."
1541655;1473856777;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541622
1541656;1473856777;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 11:48 Framedragger: PeterL wrote a url scooper, maybe he wants to do the url post to archive.is part as it'd be very trivial anyway?
1541657;1473856808;PeterL;so bot listens to chan and whenever it sees a link it submits to archive.is?
1541658;1473856874;mircea_popescu;yep
1541659;1473856890;PeterL;and would it say anything in chan, or just do it silently?
1541660;1473857016;mircea_popescu;wouldn't say anything.
1541661;1473857027;PeterL;sounds easy enough
1541662;1473857081;Framedragger;form on archive.is is simple PeterL, just need to get a "sekrit id" to then include it in the POST. also don't assume that all post requests succeed / archive.is gives the same answer, as shinohai noted
1541663;1473857120;mircea_popescu;it has the advantage that if i later search for the link it pops it
1541664;1473857140;mircea_popescu;so i don't actually need to know what it was archived as.
1541665;1473857182;mircea_popescu;Framedragger exciting times huh.
1541666;1473857268;Framedragger;verily!
1541667;1473857301;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#141 << ah, should the bot cite the archived link if an archived url is mentioned in the channel?
1541668;1473857301;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [12:45:20] <mircea_popescu> it has the advantage that if i later search for the link it pops it
1541669;1473857373;mircea_popescu;nope.
1541670;1473857377;Framedragger;i assume by "it pops it" you meant archive.is, tho
1541671;1473857378;Framedragger;ah ok.
1541672;1473857395;mircea_popescu;yes yes, i mean if later i'm trying to read the logs, say in 2020, and we're discussing webpage of retard x
1541673;1473857406;mircea_popescu;i can just go to archive.is, put the url in and see the page.
1541674;1473857445;mircea_popescu;#trilema, pissing on "right to be forgotten". since time immemorial.
1541675;1473857457;shinohai;kek
1541676;1473857553;Framedragger;yeah that right is... problematic
1541677;1473858258;mircea_popescu;!$ help
1541678;1473858289;mircea_popescu;nice!
1541679;1473858296;PeterL;should my bot ignore links to wotpaste?
1541680;1473858328;mircea_popescu;i dun think so
1541681;1473858347;mircea_popescu;people dun wanna publish, they shouldn't publish. if they publish, it's published.
1541682;1473858702;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1mQf
1541683;1473858702;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1541684;1473858840;diana_coman;!!key supersechi
1541685;1473858840;deedbot;No such key.
1541686;1473859321;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541600 << i can't get past the wtf. i mean, why not give king solomon , or frederick the great, 'the nuke button' just as well !
1541687;1473859321;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 08:04 Framedragger: unrelated, http://store.steampowered.com/app/502940/?snr=1_7_7_popularnew_150_2 could provide some fun
1541688;1473859399;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541602 << it is my suspicion that these folks have left the net, and have gone into the woods to perelman and drink to death among the bears and lynx.
1541689;1473859399;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 09:51 Framedragger: why is Vexual banned - http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-16#1522329 - why no bard. you know tor irc channels used to have this skruffy character who connected from some small shanty town in deep russia and spoke broken english. thing is, he found and reported on a ton of deeper bugs, i mean like delicate race conditions that don't normally appear and shit. he claimed to have used win98 and complained all the time that tor broke on win98
1541690;1473859456;asciilifeform;hell knows i fight the temptation to also go every day.
1541691;1473859481;shinohai;!!up supersechi
1541692;1473859481;deedbot;supersechi voiced for 30 minutes.
1541693;1473859501;shinohai;ty mircea_popescu for botspec trilema
1541694;1473859511;Framedragger;asciilifeform: (funnily enough vexual pm'd me today, hence why i remembered him)
1541695;1473859525;asciilifeform;he pm's me every day.
1541696;1473859547;Framedragger;ah ok
1541697;1473859552;asciilifeform;i am rarely able to make sense of it though.
1541698;1473859571;Framedragger;#trilema-outer-circle?
1541699;1473859595;Framedragger;crazy stuff
1541700;1473859617;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541630 << nah that's its own cpu instr , only starting with pent-II iirc
1541701;1473859617;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 11:52 mircea_popescu 's naive notion of microtime would be "returns cycle count", and since all instructions take at least 1 cycle...
1541702;1473859693;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541639 << not only is this true, but you won't be seeing scientifically accurate nanosecond timing in a konsooomer box at all. the physical clock is not up to it.
1541703;1473859693;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 12:01 Framedragger: "rdtsc is not guaranteed to be available on every CPU, or to run at a constant rate, *or be consistent between different cores.*" (emphasis mine). `get_cycles()` is recommended, but from cursory look it seems that on some architectures it uses rdtsc internally? madness.
1541704;1473859756;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541647 << i suggested this a couple of years ago, and still think it is a fine idea
1541705;1473859756;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 12:35 Framedragger: man i'll write an mp markov bot one of those days for sure. will probably sneak it into irc bot till it gets banned, too; see how long before people realise it's a bot
1541706;1473859769;asciilifeform;mptron!
1541707;1473859923;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541672 << archive.is is becoming a serious central point of failure imho.
1541708;1473859923;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 12:49 mircea_popescu: yes yes, i mean if later i'm trying to read the logs, say in 2020, and we're discussing webpage of retard x
1541709;1473859925;Framedragger;it could also scoop tumblr for porn pics and apply some internalised is-it-bdsm'y filter, too
1541710;1473859975;Framedragger;then gracefully replace users in multiple irc channels with differently trained mptrons
1541711;1473859994;Framedragger;3. something
1541712;1473860022;PeterL;4. PROFIT!
1541713;1473860045;Framedragger;asciilifeform: agree re central point of failure; there should be a network of these archivers, too
1541714;1473860046;supersechi;!!register F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578
1541715;1473860051;shinohai;i want a snarky asciilifeformtron
1541716;1473860082;deedbot;Import failed for F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578.
1541717;1473860113;asciilifeform;shinohai: i considered writing one and letting it live and to see how long before anyone would notice.
1541718;1473860195;Framedragger;to restart bot, write "x86 is elegant architecture"
1541719;1473860200;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37361556
1541720;1473860206;Framedragger;instant segfault
1541721;1473860214;*;Framedragger back to coal mines
1541722;1473860223;asciilifeform;'German chemicals giant Bayer has confirmed its record-breaking $66bn takeover of GM seeds business Monsanto - a deal that would create the world's biggest seeds and pesticides company.'
1541723;1473860247;supersechi;!!register F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578
1541724;1473860254;deedbot;Import failed for F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578.
1541725;1473860422;trinque;servers all wearing white and failing to understand each other : poverty = stupidity. never was nor ever will be doing something wrong
1541726;1473860424;trinque;ahaha
1541727;1473860432;trinque;^^ over #trilema logs
1541728;1473860478;trinque;supersechi: you will need to upload your key to a keyserver first
1541729;1473860528;supersechi;I have done it I think
1541730;1473860565;trinque;maybe give it 10min and retry, then
1541731;1473860626;Framedragger;supersechi: upload it to both http://keys.gnupg.net/ and https://sks-keyservers.net/ - they will propagate keys amongst themselves but just in case you don't want to wait
1541732;1473860689;supersechi;The public key?
1541733;1473860695;shinohai;yes
1541734;1473860710;supersechi;Exception
1541735;1473860744;shinohai;that horrid thepb.in stuff is likely culprit
1541736;1473860791;Framedragger;supersechi: keep in mind that just spitting out single words doesn't usually help. use judgement to selectively quote essential details while keeping it short!
1541737;1473860842;shinohai;http://ix.io/1mQN   <<<< supersechi imma do you a favor
1541738;1473860874;supersechi;Wow Thanks!
1541739;1473860878;trinque;would not do for merely kindasechi
1541740;1473860904;shinohai;next time it could cost 500`000 ecu
1541741;1473860963;supersechi;Yeah!
1541742;1473860986;supersechi;!!register F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578
1541743;1473860995;deedbot;F2A9449DD132B741E416A13E54403D06BFBB0578 registered as supersechi.
1541744;1473861016;supersechi;Done all!
1541745;1473861039;Framedragger;http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
1541746;1473861066;supersechi;Now I have to ask for an account?
1541747;1473861103;Framedragger;think so. mircea_popescu ^
1541748;1473861310;Framedragger;supersechi: he'll prolly be around in a few hours' time
1541749;1473861355;shinohai;!!up supersechi
1541750;1473861356;deedbot;supersechi voiced for 30 minutes.
1541751;1473861378;supersechi;Ok
1541752;1473861380;shinohai;meanwhile did you download and install the game already?
1541753;1473861531;supersechi;I'm downloading it
1541754;1473861741;PeterL;Ok, now scoopbot will attempt to send all links here to archive.is, will also try to archive any links sent to it by PM
1541755;1473861758;PeterL;(but it ignores log links)
1541756;1473861767;Framedragger;nice
1541757;1473861938;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541745 << i highly recommend these, Framedragger . nowadays i almost never leave my pit.
1541758;1473861938;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 13:50 Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
1541759;1473862673;mircea_popescu;!!key <supersechi>
1541760;1473862673;deedbot;No such key.
1541761;1473862676;mircea_popescu;!!key supersechi
1541762;1473862678;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6dd0s/?raw=true
1541763;1473862739;supersechi;You need the public key?
1541764;1473862768;mircea_popescu;i have it already.
1541765;1473862781;supersechi;What key do I have to put?
1541766;1473864450;PeterL;http://archive.is/wHWGD << looks like scoopbot worked, now you do not have to worry about pastes expiring
1541767;1473864971;mircea_popescu;win!
1541768;1473864975;mircea_popescu;well done PeterL
1541769;1473864981;PeterL;ah, thanks
1541770;1473865217;PeterL;http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/14/chipotle-with-an-assist-from-apple-will deliver burritos by drone << seems relevant to discussion from yesterday
1541771;1473865285;PeterL;usg.aapl finding ways to drop "food" from the sky to feed the "people"
1541772;1473865338;Framedragger;oblig triggered by burritos mention: the burrito tunnel! http://idlewords.com/2007/04/the_alameda_weehawken_burrito_tunnel.htm
1541773;1473865980;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541599 << in what sense same ?
1541774;1473865980;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 08:03 Framedragger: same AS as before iirc
1541775;1473866008;asciilifeform;!#s 11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019
1541776;1473866008;a111;4 results for "11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=11324222908438140042288890647227129485796617615668366944270379995134245997725054322413715207208768748361669223089766795091689170791362790700011576013866019
1541777;1473866031;asciilifeform;they're new.
1541778;1473866043;asciilifeform;same idiot topos box, yes.
1541779;1473866051;asciilifeform;there are perhaps thousands of them.
1541780;1473866059;asciilifeform;(see the 'birthday' thread)
1541781;1473866091;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i meant autonomous system
1541782;1473866112;asciilifeform;hm?
1541783;1473866136;thestringpuller;fuck the acquisition starts today
1541784;1473866143;thestringpuller;FUCK YOU DELL
1541785;1473866148;asciilifeform;waiwat
1541786;1473866179;thestringpuller;dell acquired emc
1541787;1473866193;thestringpuller;they are making some "announcement today" so i think stuff starts taking effect
1541788;1473866201;Framedragger;i meant, these keys are from the same autonomous system as the ones just before. AS number 5650, "Frontier Communications of America, Inc."
1541789;1473866204;Framedragger;https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=-s+ARIN%25252CAPNIC%25252CRIPE+AS5650&do_search=Search#resultsAnchor
1541790;1473866207;trinque;thestringpuller going to get a visit from the bobs?
1541791;1473866214;Framedragger;BUT i didn't check if it was actually the same AS number
1541792;1473866217;asciilifeform;Framedragger: a well yes.
1541793;1473866242;trinque;nice archiving PeterL
1541794;1473866244;Framedragger;seems pertinent to point out, but clearly an acronym bot is in dire need!1
1541795;1473866251;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-06#1535292 << thread.
1541796;1473866251;a111;Logged on 2016-09-06 21:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-12-297-01 <<  ahahahahahahahaha
1541797;1473866315;Framedragger;(actually my link is useless; http://bgp.he.net/AS5650 better)
1541798;1473866356;Framedragger;http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=AS5650 ah yeah so it was, good stuff
1541799;1473866357;mircea_popescu;awww
1541800;1473866371;asciilifeform;Framedragger: frontier is a gigantic isp in usa
1541801;1473866382;Framedragger;(kako has a bot which announces additional info in #b-a, for those wondering)
1541802;1473866383;asciilifeform;Framedragger: king and slave sit on it
1541803;1473866394;Framedragger;ah! i didn't know it was large. i see..
1541804;1473866400;asciilifeform;Framedragger: more interesting is that the entire /8 (and possibly /16) consists of those topos boxes.
1541805;1473866401;Framedragger;fair 'nuff
1541806;1473866454;Framedragger;asciilifeform: you mean, entire /16 and maybe even /8 ? (/0 is "all 2 ** 32")
1541807;1473866465;asciilifeform;ah yes.
1541808;1473866473;Framedragger;DO YOU EVEN CIDR
1541809;1473866479;asciilifeform;for some reason these invert in my head
1541810;1473866488;asciilifeform;just as left, right, up, down...
1541811;1473866497;Framedragger;not exactly super intuitive notation
1541812;1473866696;asciilifeform;'the only intuitive notation is the tit' or how did it go.
1541813;1473866707;mircea_popescu;that's notition.
1541814;1473866755;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#172 << dun mention it.
1541815;1473866756;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:25:01] <shinohai> ty mircea_popescu for botspec trilema
1541816;1473866856;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#192 << note that the spec doesn't mention a particular one, neither in log or on trilema.
1541817;1473866857;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:34:05] <Framedragger> asciilifeform: agree re central point of failure; there should be a network of these archivers, too
1541818;1473866888;asciilifeform;spec, as usual, 'is willing' while 'the flesh is weak'
1541819;1473866903;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#201 << hey, the WHOLE thing is enough to pay for one month of obama-and-friends-party.
1541820;1473866903;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:37:03] <asciilifeform> 'German chemicals giant Bayer has confirmed its record-breaking $66bn takeover of GM seeds business Monsanto - a deal that would create the world's biggest seeds and pesticides company.'
1541821;1473866963;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#204 << o hey how does it work ?
1541822;1473866964;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [13:40:22] <trinque> servers all wearing white and failing to understand each other : poverty = stupidity. never was nor ever will be doing something wrong
1541823;1473866995;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/DissociatedPress << see also.
1541824;1473867004;asciilifeform;^ example that is probably on your machine already.
1541825;1473867010;trinque;mircea_popescu: I just fired up a python markov thing with my logs as input
1541826;1473867011;mircea_popescu;yeah but im curious re his particular implementation
1541827;1473867015;mircea_popescu;ah kk.
1541828;1473867067;mircea_popescu;considering the average level of anglopshere literacy, i do not think one could distinguish markov from person text - provided of course you generate many lines and only let pass those who satisfy stringent grammar checks.
1541829;1473867070;mircea_popescu;ie no misplaced dot etc.
1541830;1473867084;mircea_popescu;all-smalls convention also helps immensely.
1541831;1473867087;asciilifeform;a slightly clever mpbot would be guided by what is actually said to it (grep the from:mircea_popescu lines for words or even fragments of the query and return shannonization of immediately subsequent from: s)
1541832;1473867095;mircea_popescu;yup
1541833;1473867122;mircea_popescu;context awareness, you could build a VERY impressive bot using large probability fields etc.
1541834;1473867211;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541745 << it's actually part of a larger thing - september, the international month of women discarded as garbage.
1541835;1473867211;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 13:50 Framedragger: http://i.imgur.com/2ZGTzLM.png mircea_popescu gently pushing all #trilema people to move to jobs where there is no such thing as nsfw. public service i guess
1541836;1473867262;Framedragger;instead of cleverbot.com there could be mpbot.com where one could consult with synthesized mp dataset (trilema, irc) regarding financial investments and spanking techniques. markov model based on irc queries/replies could help with context awareness. #1bnvcideas
1541837;1473867265;Framedragger;hah
1541838;1473867329;mircea_popescu;kickstarter!!1
1541839;1473867420;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541569 << answerved. i also banned the youngin' with iptables and now node is back to scarfing blocks.
1541840;1473867420;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 03:13 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/13/check-out-this-piece-of-shit/#comment-50174
1541841;1473867442;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541570 << fix't.
1541842;1473867442;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 03:17 mircea_popescu: trinque pete_dushenski : !!subscribe missing from your docs eh.
1541843;1473867490;pete_dushenski;also, tb0t added to bots directory. perhaps mod6 can lemme know if everything appears to be in order there.
1541844;1473867506;pete_dushenski;tb0t is currently using just '%' ftr
1541845;1473867525;pete_dushenski;SINGLE CHARACTER HEATHEN
1541846;1473867544;PeterL;pete_dushenski I think deedbot !!rated is wrong
1541847;1473867577;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski move it as per teh spec.
1541848;1473867579;PeterL;omiting the second nick gives rating from the person asking to nick1, not ratings from nick1
1541849;1473867609;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: on it
1541850;1473867640;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-human-latrine-pig/ << Trilema - The Human Latrine Pig
1541851;1473867678;pete_dushenski;updated
1541852;1473867693;mircea_popescu;possibly the most outrageous thing ever to be penned by human hand.
1541853;1473867708;pete_dushenski;mod6: tb0t's new call command is !%
1541854;1473867753;mircea_popescu;cool.
1541855;1473867923;pete_dushenski;PeterL: !!rated is actually correct. 'person asking' is 'operator'. though i can see how it might be ambiguous.
1541856;1473868041;pete_dushenski;'Omitting [nickname2] shows rating from operator to [nickname1]' << clarified ?
1541857;1473868063;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541850 << teh specs keep a-flowin!
1541858;1473868063;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 15:40 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-human-latrine-pig/ << Trilema - The Human Latrine Pig
1541859;1473868073;mircea_popescu;hahaha you just say flow
1541860;1473868074;pete_dushenski;lol
1541861;1473868081;PeterL;^ yeah, I read that to be shows ratings nick1 made, I guess it is just the ambiguity of English
1541862;1473868083;trinque;:D
1541863;1473868127;pete_dushenski;PeterL: all good. it's better now anyways.
1541864;1473868215;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oughta link to the previous venus cloacina piece ('the menstruarium') imho.
1541865;1473868221;Framedragger;shinohai (or whoever): btw are the recent bashes available somewhere? i ask because i want to use them for a quick something, i.e. a .txt would do
1541866;1473868276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, that was jus' a footnote. feel free to put it in a comment if you wanna.
1541867;1473868277;asciilifeform;also i dun get why everybody thinks this is asian and exotic, dear old europe had oubliette.
1541868;1473868299;mircea_popescu;well we don't know anyone can supress gag enough to think ; but otherwise oubliette was on ceiling.
1541869;1473868299;pete_dushenski;never forget
1541870;1473868354;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also how does the belladonna method work? is it different from the byzantine blindatron ?
1541871;1473868375;asciilifeform;(which was good for 3 bulgars / minute or sumthing)
1541872;1473868376;mircea_popescu;girls add atropine to enlarge their iris, because this is hot. after a while with this, they are blind.
1541873;1473868395;mircea_popescu;sort-of like how other roman tech worked,
1541874;1473868425;mircea_popescu;!~translate RO to EN "de cite ori ti-am spus eu draga mea ca vei ajunge sa porti parul alteia ?"
1541875;1473868426;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: whenever I said honey I'll get to wear your hair like another?
1541876;1473868431;Framedragger;like that theory about the fall of the roman empire due to lead poisoning due to lead being used *everywhere*
1541877;1473868431;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1541878;1473868453;mircea_popescu;challenge to the scholars present, identify the verse.
1541879;1473868492;*;pete_dushenski goes to add translation to jhvh1 ...
1541880;1473868519;shinohai;Paris Green still killing the remnants around Victorian times.
1541881;1473868559;mircea_popescu;you realise that the gossipd model with markov chains is probably the one source of the singularity
1541882;1473868583;asciilifeform;eh by this token it already happened, with spambots on infected win98 boxen around orc world
1541883;1473868592;asciilifeform;i have a collector that gets MB of these / day.
1541884;1473868611;mircea_popescu;those lack proper feedback loops i tihnk.
1541885;1473868635;asciilifeform;tru
1541886;1473868642;asciilifeform;though i've never tried answering'em.
1541887;1473868651;asciilifeform;perhaps they are interactive.
1541888;1473868776;mircea_popescu;!~google akaname
1541889;1473868778;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Akaname - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akaname>; Akaname | Yokai.com: <http://yokai.com/akaname/>; Akaname - Monster Girl Encyclopedia Wiki - Wikia: <http://monstergirlencyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Akaname>
1541890;1473869097;asciilifeform;http://slappedham.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/shirime-326x245.png
1541891;1473869367;Framedragger;[ ah. regarding link archiving - for anyone looking to do it in their bots - as regards archive.is, no need to POST with sekrit IDs etc - just GET http://archive.is/?url=your_url&run=1 ]
1541892;1473869462;shinohai;i was doing `curl -v -i --data url=${text} http://archive.is/submit/`
1541893;1473869535;pete_dushenski;in other lulz, jhvh1 prefers slovenian over slovakian (both have 'sl' two-letter translation code). also belarusian > bengali.
1541894;1473869563;shinohai;i wonder if that could start a war
1541895;1473869581;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: what happened to 'si' and 'sk' ?
1541896;1473869634;pete_dushenski;brb
1541897;1473870153;PeterL;I added archive.is to the list scoopbot ignores, it seemed kinda silly to have it archiving the archiver
1541898;1473870547;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> mod6: tb0t's new call command is !% << mircea_popescu speaking of this, I did get a chance to read that trilema lastnight - and I was wondering if I could reserve this mnemonic for tb0t.  Is that agreeable??
1541899;1473870600;mod6;(I can probably have the updates for this put in place in the next few days.)
1541900;1473870602;shinohai;Shouldn't it be `!%^^^xxx?` instead?
1541901;1473870639;mod6;hm?
1541902;1473870641;mod6;%help
1541903;1473870648;shinohai;lol
1541904;1473870778;mod6;%h
1541905;1473870833;mod6;i dunno wtf. i'll have to look at it later. anyway, i just wanted to reserve '!%' or whatever.
1541906;1473871194;mod6;<+shinohai> Shouldn't it be `!%^^^xxx?` instead? << what do you mean by this?
1541907;1473871603;mod6;or was joke?
1541908;1473871864;asciilifeform;http://lady.southcn.com/6/images/attachement/jpg/site4/20120716/90fba609e427116e0d084b.jpg << in re mircea_popescu's piece
1541909;1473872433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&as_q=%E4%BA%BA%E5%BD%98 << many wins.
1541910;1473872893;shinohai;joke mod6
1541911;1473873166;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i guess there's always that. looks like a full list of the codes is here, which is now on the directory as well : http://archive.is/iWEm2#selection-967.0-967.670
1541912;1473873179;pete_dushenski;mod6: !% is all yours mate
1541913;1473878285;pete_dushenski;https://digest.bps.org.uk/2016/09/12/its-now-possible-in-theory-to-predict-life-success-from-a-genetic-test-at-birth/ << still clinging to the notion that 'you can be anything you want to be if you just want it bad enough' and other such equalitarianisms ? (pseudo)science says : stuff it, hoser.
1541914;1473878298;pete_dushenski;'your mother isn't my mother' (tm)(r)
1541915;1473878516;asciilifeform;ahahaha lel let's breed army of folks who are very, very, very good at sitting still for exams.
1541916;1473878542;asciilifeform;(should find some fertile commercial ground in the great rice kingdoms.)
1541917;1473878577;asciilifeform;where, i suspect, this lily needs no gilding at all, ~everybody already have the trait.
1541918;1473878590;phf;people who can't clearly visualize a cause and effect graph trying to do science. dogen is laughing at them all the way from 13th century
1541919;1473878615;asciilifeform;phf: their very careers are predicated on a very loose concept of cause and effect.
1541920;1473878638;asciilifeform;*on having a
1541921;1473878804;mircea_popescu;dogen eh ?
1541922;1473878925;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#373 << check it out, azns understand fucking. just yesterday i say "let's fuck" and the girl puts her palms on the floor, i'm like, no, let's pretend we're westerners, come to bed.
1541923;1473878926;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [16:04:57] <asciilifeform> http://slappedham.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/shirime-326x245.png
1541924;1473878964;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel, that was in re the outhouse god
1541925;1473878972;mircea_popescu;neverthebutt.
1541926;1473879002;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160914/#380 << not so silly, esp if you're using a different archiver.
1541927;1473879003;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [16:22:33] <PeterL> I added archive.is to the list scoopbot ignores, it seemed kinda silly to have it archiving the archiver
1541928;1473879031;PeterL;just realized I set scoopbot up to recognize http as links but not https, fixed that now
1541929;1473879038;mircea_popescu;mod6 sure, we'll tell pete_dushenski that it's taken and to move the underline one.
1541930;1473879127;mircea_popescu;o hey, the historical reenaction chick looks pretty hot. i dunno they actually had that french style balconette cut till french indochina, but neways
1541931;1473879298;lobbes;Speaking of reserving prefixes, lobbesbot (while not here, but in #Eulora), uses !@. Should that be reserved across both channels?
1541932;1473879312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there appears to be some legend related to 'human pig' that involved a large vase. but i was unable to turn up the details.
1541933;1473879324;phf;lobbes: i suspect yes, since a111 got !#
1541934;1473879365;mircea_popescu;lobbes i dun wanna allocate @ at all ; and i'm going to skip # as a first character also. how about you know !Q
1541935;1473879382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought that was more of a case of "drown, old man, drown" ?
1541936;1473879392;lobbes;Euporium (jurov and Azelphur) is another bot that lives only in #Eulora. Also to take in consideration
1541937;1473879427;PeterL;scoopbot is using !1 but does not have any useful functions yet (just passively archiving so far)
1541938;1473879433;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the vase in the illustrations (and i found several) is clearly designed to hold all-but-head, and of a hot chick
1541939;1473879436;lobbes;Aight. I'll set lobbesbot to !Q
1541940;1473879444;mircea_popescu;i dunno that they ~have to~ come here though. i mean, not that anything's keeping them, but botmaster's discretion.
1541941;1473879471;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ^ plox to remove from list.
1541942;1473879512;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah but i thought the chick is lazy, won't cook or clean.
1541943;1473879539;mircea_popescu;so they put her in vase (really, it's made out of porcelain on lead glue, much like stained glass) so she can be flower.
1541944;1473879563;asciilifeform;this is a great story, and if the original wasn't this, it ought to have been!1111
1541945;1473879570;pete_dushenski;done. '!W' next up.
1541946;1473879578;*;mircea_popescu has a vague memory of ancient book for chitlins 30 years ago
1541947;1473879607;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the beauty being that with some work, she COULD break free see.
1541948;1473879610;mircea_popescu;but gotta do that work.
1541949;1473879643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall thread where we found photos of folks who got 'amontilladoed' as late as 1920s in stone pillars somewhere in or near mongolia ?
1541950;1473879655;asciilifeform;it was a favourite punishment in central asia also.
1541951;1473879657;mircea_popescu;i do not ;/
1541952;1473879665;mircea_popescu;was that woman dead in a wooden box, i recall.
1541953;1473879686;pete_dushenski;phf: dogen! i have a collection of his on my shelf here.
1541954;1473879742;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Mongolian_woman_condemned_to_die_of_starvation_(retouched).jpg << probably what mircea_popescu was thinking of
1541955;1473879744;asciilifeform;but i mean another.
1541956;1473879753;mircea_popescu;hm
1541957;1473879828;mircea_popescu;"writ large". see alf ? the go "ai" is already taking over "science".
1541958;1473879833;mircea_popescu;"hey, it won at go!"
1541959;1473879844;asciilifeform;they built these stone pillars, a bit minus the man's height, and put'em in.
1541960;1473879899;mircea_popescu;got to "explained 1 or 2% of the variance", clicked away. jesus christ these shiteaters.
1541961;1473879966;mircea_popescu;relatedly, i trust everyone's seen the "infinite probability" guy, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bogdan-gulie.jpg
1541962;1473880037;*;mircea_popescu wonders vaguely what'll happen once one of these karl zigglers (hey, they contribute to sales! everyone else - to costs!) sits still long enough to get to transfinite ordinals in his math textbook.
1541963;1473880049;mircea_popescu;TRANSFINITE PROBABILITIES!!! BETTER THAN VODKA!
1541964;1473880139;asciilifeform;we already know what happens - timecube
1541965;1473880186;mircea_popescu;o i guess there is that.
1541966;1473880188;phf;pete_dushenski: there's a lot of vague, mystical takes on dogen, but i think that most of the time he makes very straightforward points, like in the wild fox koan, he just says that everything is bound by cause and effect, and if you think you can have a magic talisman against it, you're going to suffer
1541967;1473880338;*;trinque has the gateless gate, read it a couple times
1541968;1473880349;trinque;I don't see any point for the whimsical obfuscation
1541969;1473880378;pete_dushenski;phf: aha. and now you're inadvertently making me miss those times when i spent evening after cold winter evening in the depths of buddhist and hindu teachings
1541970;1473880429;asciilifeform;eh this is sorta like that effect mircea_popescu wrote about where original is shitburied under megatonne of indistinguishable imitators and does not reward the effort of a dig
1541971;1473880437;trinque;what, inventing words was forbidden, so they had to grunt and point ?
1541972;1473880447;trinque;asciilifeform: aha
1541973;1473880452;asciilifeform;(iirc this was in the tolkien thread, where we disagreed, but the basic effect is quite real)
1541974;1473880459;mircea_popescu;lol k
1541975;1473880555;asciilifeform;and so asciilifeform does not zen, does not dao, etc. and when he feels like crackpottery would rather read something at least vaguely consistent and interesting like kozyrev.
1541976;1473880578;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-18#1103915
1541977;1473880578;a111;Logged on 2015-04-18 02:49 trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
1541978;1473880611;*;mircea_popescu is vaguely irked by the whole "overthink your communication and only make it if it 'benefits' " as if that's somehow possible.
1541979;1473880631;mircea_popescu;but otherwise whatever, it's 1k ad. guy's a notable thinker.
1541980;1473880690;mircea_popescu;i mean, how's he to know that god damned submarines leave a trace, and certainly follow a path. the waterbirds, wut.
1541981;1473880790;pete_dushenski;https://68.media.tumblr.com/50113f05cfa68762379a02b437aa2136/tumblr_od5if3vpiU1voyxkjo1_540.jpg << honey, i found the latrine pig.
1541982;1473880812;mircea_popescu;panties still on.
1541983;1473880827;mircea_popescu;da fuck is wrong with this knickers fixation in contemporaneity!
1541984;1473880946;phf;i think it's impressive how he manages to think his way out of nothingness. his baseline is basically 15 year old monks in training, who need to be taught not to shit on their hands, etc. knowledge transfer consists of dialogues about buddha teachings. it's very much the case of grinding lens by hand to study astrophysics
1541985;1473880969;mircea_popescu;i can see this angle.
1541986;1473881313;phf;there are some interviews with feynman where he's trying to explain how doing science is a constant game of catching yourself lying to yourself long before it becomes a question of "scientific community" etc.. dogen is coming from the opposite direction of learning to see things clearly as a goal, and a lot of his essays are descriptions of what he saw
1541987;1473881359;mircea_popescu;did you read originals for any of this ?
1541988;1473881385;phf;further obscurantism comes from people who don't see clearly, but in a markov chain thinking relay what they heard before "of course that's how it is, i heard it from joe, and it was tired then, what dogen is actually saying is this flowery shit i pulled out of my ass"
1541989;1473881419;asciilifeform;phf: one of the reasons why this is so difficult to teach is that there are no heroes in it. even someone like deryagin, who was respected for renouncing his polywater thing and sinking own career, was really a case of 'ok i set this fire, and put it out'. but there are no heroes in 'ok i have no great invention, won't even bother saying to anyone, and will happily die in obscurity fixing shoes'
1541990;1473881456;mircea_popescu;cincinnatus.
1541991;1473881457;asciilifeform;(this in re feynman's comment)
1541992;1473881468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha. these are thin on the ground.
1541993;1473881486;mircea_popescu;well sure ; good strawberry also thin on ground.
1541994;1473881494;asciilifeform;and are all folk who climbed on the pig and then climbed down.
1541995;1473881503;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1541996;1473881505;asciilifeform;but folks who realize that they do not belong on the pig at all, do not become famous.
1541997;1473881521;phf;mircea_popescu: i read nishijima translation, and the guy went out of his way to make it unreadable, but as precise as he could render. i can read japanese grammar, and nishijima's version comes with a lot of kanji annotations. i've checked some of his claims, and they check out as far as it goes.
1541998;1473881528;mircea_popescu;fellow was simply not interested in pigs. ironically, belonged on it plenty.
1541999;1473881536;mircea_popescu;;h
1542000;1473881552;asciilifeform;http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/1000000000000066600000000000001.html << speaking of crankery
1542001;1473881558;mircea_popescu;phf i'm pretty much null on azn languages myself, and so there's always this exact problem, "oh, idiot brit made up all this shit"
1542002;1473881583;phf;"theosopy"
1542003;1473881720;phf;madam blavatski and her followers did a lot of damage for years to come. it was literally in her writing that original meaning doesn't matter, as long as the translation sounds cool (there's a rationalization for why that somehow supposed to make sense)
1542004;1473881740;phf;and majority of azn/indian translations came from theosophists
1542005;1473881745;mircea_popescu;and in other convenient coincidences, as per 문전본풀이 the goddess of kitchen and the goddess of outhouse had an argument, therefore koreans may not take things from kitchen to toilet or vice-versa.
1542006;1473881746;phf;until mid 50s or so
1542007;1473881759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel i was just reading about this.
1542008;1473881774;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but did not bother to mention subj because the only source i could find in english was pediwik
1542009;1473881779;mircea_popescu;pretty good how it works out.
1542010;1473881816;asciilifeform;phf: one day i would like to learn what i might have missed by setting the bozo bit on everything these people so much as sneezed on.
1542011;1473882069;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we're going by "A Study on the Liminal Space of Jeju Traditional Housing by MunjonPonpuri" -Kim Hyoung-Jun.
1542012;1473882107;mircea_popescu;and you missed out on lotta cunt. chicks dig this shit for some reason.
1542013;1473882119;phf;"shobogenzo for people who hate all this shit"
1542014;1473882217;mircea_popescu;dahui zonggao ? really ? musta been a riot in russia.
1542015;1473882320;phf;there's a series of russian koan parodies from the 90s internet called "dao-kakao" which among other things made fun of chinese names like that
1542016;1473882335;mircea_popescu;lol
1542017;1473882351;phf;http://www.behigh.org/library/dao-kakao.html
1542018;1473882372;mircea_popescu;to add fuel to asciilifeform 's latent xenophobia, blavatschi was, of course, ukr.
1542019;1473882424;asciilifeform;lel in same way as gogol.
1542020;1473882454;mircea_popescu;oh incidentally, anyone recall who wrote that short text about the guy that sleeps and dreams that he is hidden behind a bush and by them goes a militsyan
1542021;1473882461;mircea_popescu;then hidden behind militsyan...
1542022;1473882537;mircea_popescu;a right. daniil harms.
1542023;1473882541;mircea_popescu;!~tr ro to en "Kalughin a adormit si a visat - cica sade el intr-o tufa, iar pe linga tufa trece militianul. Kalughin s-a trezit, s-a sters la gura si a adormit din nou si a visat din nou, cica trece el pe linga tufa, iar in tufa s-a ascuns si sta militianul"
1542024;1473882543;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Error: "tr" is not a valid command.
1542025;1473882551;mircea_popescu;fine! be thatway!
1542026;1473882746;mircea_popescu;http://haharms.ru/rasskaz11.html << orig.
1542027;1473882810;phf;i like the one about old women, http://www.harms.ouc.ru/vyvalivayuschiesa-staruhi.html
1542028;1473882815;mircea_popescu;http://www.lib.ru/HARMS/xarms_engl.txt_with-big-pictures.html << for everyone else.
1542029;1473882879;mircea_popescu;o yeah, "a cazut o babuta"
1542030;1473882889;mircea_popescu;i knew these ~by heart as a kid.
1542031;1473883115;mircea_popescu;anyway. what's dogen got to say to this fellow ; entirely disinterested in "utility" as he finds himself ?
1542032;1473883385;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/QOid3 << in other noose, apparently our old 'friend' is still in business
1542033;1473883394;asciilifeform;'Someone Is Learning How to Take Down the Internet' (schneier).
1542034;1473883422;asciilifeform;KOMMUNISTS ARE POLLUTING our precious BODILY FLUIDS!111111
1542035;1473883424;phf;i kind of want to believe that dogen wasn't a bore, nor a stickler, but otherwise their goals are unrelated to each other.
1542036;1473883524;trinque;asciilifeform: saw that yesterday; angles for "only NSA can save us" doesn't it?
1542037;1473883632;asciilifeform;trinque: these folks get painfully old don't they.
1542038;1473883654;asciilifeform;!!up mihi
1542039;1473883654;deedbot;mihi voiced for 30 minutes.
1542040;1473883735;asciilifeform;'Recently, some of the major companies that provide the basic infrastructure that makes the Internet work have seen an increase in DDoS attacks against them.' << taking this at face value would mean what ? how does one ddos a backbone router ? or lemme guess, he paints dns as 'essential infrastructure'.
1542041;1473883758;trinque;whole thing is "the internet can never change and we are helpless"
1542042;1473883777;asciilifeform;https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/09/someone_is_lear.html#c6734114 << looks like my guess was correct.
1542043;1473884241;mircea_popescu;phf goals ?
1542044;1473884349;phf;i walked right into that one
1542045;1473884361;mircea_popescu;:)
1542046;1473884416;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/qkkBF << in other u.s. hangout soup.
1542047;1473884430;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lulzily, whole piece is pretty much just a c/p job of http://trilema.com/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/ !!1
1542048;1473885969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks like.
1542049;1473886371;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> mod6: !% is all yours mate << ok sounds good. will make the needed changes asap.
1542050;1473886387;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 sure, we'll tell pete_dushenski that it's taken and to move the underline one. << thx!
1542051;1473886443;pete_dushenski;mod6: cool. unrelatedly, why do you c/p whole text line instead of using a log link ? fwiw it's tough to read.
1542052;1473886550;phf;fwiw that approach is gossip-proof, there was a thread in logs, that there's not really such a thing as "log" in gossip model, and the conclusion was that logging will need to be reexamined. inline quoting though remains
1542053;1473886649;pete_dushenski;that i can totally see. but until such time... i mean, it's not as if inline quoting is a skill that needs to be kept sharp.
1542054;1473886674;asciilifeform;it is quite untrue that logging is impossible in a gossipnet
1542055;1473886690;asciilifeform;anyone who wants, can choose to publish his particular log.
1542056;1473886695;asciilifeform;(and link to it, etc.)
1542057;1473886731;asciilifeform;it simply will not necessarily line up with anyone else's.
1542058;1473886777;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> mod6: cool. unrelatedly, why do you c/p whole text line instead of using a log link ? fwiw it's tough to read. << i'm old school. and trying to flip-flop between screens is hard for me.
1542059;1473886782;phf;in the old definition of log, i.e. illuminated scroll "thus spoke saint alf"
1542060;1473886796;asciilifeform;phf: there never really were any other kinds of log.
1542061;1473886885;mod6;I find the quoting via web-logs cumbersome, personally.  The only saving grace is when a bot parses the line, the spits out that line, and maybe the next subsequent line so I get some context instead of having to copy the log line referenced and drop it into a browser manually.
1542062;1473886940;mod6;Well. Unless the line(s) referenced are say, more than a few days old, then for obvious reasons, it's handy.
1542063;1473886954;mod6;But, while it's still in my scroll back...
1542064;1473887659;mod6;Having pretty good luck testing the new makefiles vpatch.
1542065;1473887685;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/social-engineering-bests-self-describe-securitist/ << Qntra - Social Engineering Bests Self Describe Securitist
1542066;1473888225;mircea_popescu;phf cuz logging as we use it atm is a centralized thing
1542067;1473888229;phf;asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log though, where kako's testimony was implicitly the word of tmsr. there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it, the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized that there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single authority to decide what ultimately goes into
1542068;1473888229;phf;log. so at some point we were in "log according to btcbase" situation. with the recent move to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according to ..." model, which we can still though attempt to reconcile. once we move to gossip there can't even be a talk of single log. it's always "log according to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
1542069;1473888317;mircea_popescu;is a securitist someone sufferint from securitits ?
1542070;1473888632;shinohai;prolly
1542071;1473888643;shinohai;!~thanks
1542072;1473888643;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "thanks" is not a valid command.
1542073;1473888752;mircea_popescu;"This is how hunger begins: the morning you wake, feeling lively, then begins the weakness, then begins the boredom. Then comes the loss of the power of quick reason, then comes the calmness. And then begins the horror."
1542074;1473889054;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yes
1542075;1473890516;pete_dushenski;https://www.instagram.com/p/BKO3Z-SDvue/ << $2bn view from nyc train station
1542076;1473890614;pete_dushenski;sorry, make that $4bn. but that's just what happens do your usd when you build a mega-project over a decade. sorry for your qe.
1542077;1473890730;pete_dushenski;http://www.architecturalrecord.com/ext/resources/Issues/2016/April/Santiago-Calatrava_World-Trade-Center-Tranportation-Hub_New-York_02.jpg << view of exterior
1542078;1473891073;trinque;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Calatrava_Puente_del_Alamillo_Seville.jpg << from the genius that brought you this
1542079;1473891109;trinque;arches are sexist
1542080;1473891124;pete_dushenski;which is itself a theft of 'brezhnev's guitar' in riga.
1542081;1473891153;pete_dushenski;as seen in http://www.contravex.com/2014/09/12/architecture-in-riga/
1542082;1473891351;pete_dushenski;wow that was two years ago
1542083;1473891386;pete_dushenski;bbl
1542084;1473891923;ben_vulpes;holy meat flaps batman
1542085;1473893326;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/i-was-invected-with-%d0%a5%d0%b0%d1%80%d0%bc%d1%81/ << Trilema - I was invected with Хармс
1542086;1473896237;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/us-business-emigration-today-a-special-edition-bayer-roundup-xtend/ << Qntra - US Business Emigration Today! A Special Edition Bayer Roundup Xtend
1542087;1473897781;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1542088;1473897782;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 429852 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 1571 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 3 hours, 15 minutes, and 5 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1542089;1473898278;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/btcxchange-ro-to-shutdown-again/ << Qntra - btcXchange.ro To Shutdown Again
1542090;1473899784;mircea_popescu;hanbot so how many "help" pms did you receive yet ?
1542091;1473900428;asciilifeform;!~later tell mod6 i sat down to play with trinque's bots for kicks, and with your vtron, and noticed that the latter does not like to be 'init'-ed twice for 2 separate projects in one local dir. is this intentional ? and i still have problem grasping why we have the 'init' thing...
1542092;1473900428;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1542093;1473901165;mod6;huh?
1542094;1473901168;mod6;oh.
1542095;1473901216;mod6;yes, intentional, if you're gonna be doing two different projects in a dir, they need to have different vpatch directories.
1542096;1473901279;mod6;asciilifeform: and lol, the point is well beyond taken that you don't approve of the 'init' function.
1542097;1473901296;asciilifeform;hm ok
1542098;1473901340;*;asciilifeform found a lul re much earlier thread; Doc Ophthalmol. 1992;81(1):133-44. 'The penalty of blinding during Byzantine times. Medical remarks.'
1542099;1473901384;asciilifeform;no, interestingly, full version posted anywhere, but google 'books' has first ~half
1542100;1473901922;hanbot;mircea_popescu lol i am blissfully unpestered
1542101;1473901992;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2016/09/ama-holds-funeral-service-for-physical-exam/
1542102;1473902480;mod6;asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d.  i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
1542103;1473902525;mod6;perhaps, this would even be the first genesis version.  and then maybe an immediate subsequent vpatch to reintroduce said functions for those who may want them. or not.
1542104;1473902546;mod6;(and you and anyone who wants to would just use the genesis or something of that sort)
1542105;1473902570;mod6;anyway, we've been on this merry-go-round before.  it'll get resolved eventually perhaps.
1542106;1473902580;mod6;let me know if you need any help with V.
1542107;1473902624;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2016/05/physical-exam-nervous-system/ << The important part of using a V is the same as in Lumbar puncture. You need to have a running start and have collected the bits to be Vitirfied into an executable
1542108;1473902624;shinohai;the V is good for me
1542109;1473902955;mod6;shinohai: it does get a bit more interesting when you have >1 projects in a local dir.
1542110;1473903131;mod6;oh, no wonder tb0t was freaked out earlier.  i hadn't updated it for deedbot's new control chars.
1542111;1473903599;mod6;sorry, missed 2 places.
1542112;1473903669;mod6;%!p trb 12
1542113;1473903680;BingoBoingo;http://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/when-to-ask-934855.html?PageSpeed=noscript
1542114;1473903704;mod6;awe shit
1542115;1473903709;mod6;!%p trb 12
1542116;1473903711;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 12, Type: F, Subject: Makefiles for building full orchastra, Antecedents: , Notes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502667
1542117;1473903725;mod6;!%h
1542118;1473903740;mod6;ok cool, it did msg me the help string.
1542119;1473903757;mod6;!%pp
1542120;1473903759;tb0t;Projects: UCI | t | trb | v
1542121;1473903769;mod6;o7
1542122;1473905155;adlai;!%h
1542123;1473905169;adlai;it didn't respond to a request in PM
1542124;1473905382;BingoBoingo;!~google reflex pliers
1542125;1473905383;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Reflex Pliers - Gomerpedia: <http://gomerpedia.org/wiki/Reflex_Pliers>; Ideal 45 915 Kinetic Reflex Wire Stripper Electrician Tool ... - eBay: <http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ideal-45-915-Kinetic-Reflex-Wire-Stripper-Electrician-Tool-Stripping-Pliers-New-/141906646822>; Ideal 45 915 Kinetic Reflex Wire Stripper Electrician Tool ... - eBay: (1 more message)
1542126;1473905636;mod6;adali: thanks for trying to test, but you don't have L1 trust with deedbot
1542127;1473905643;mod6;so that's why it didn't respond.
1542128;1473905767;phf;bayer is buying/bought monsanto, http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37361556
1542129;1473905821;BingoBoingo;phf: pls see http://qntra.net/2016/09/us-business-emigration-today-a-special-edition-bayer-roundup-xtend/
1542130;1473905832;phf;ah
1542131;1473905877;phf;i just reinstalled everything, so no rss reader at the moment. missed recent qntra
1542132;1473905891;BingoBoingo;It happens
1542133;1473906015;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
1542134;1473906105;mod6;!%h
1542135;1473906148;mircea_popescu;from the spammer's almanac : "For more information about traveling, go to http:travel"
1542136;1473906217;mircea_popescu;mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded.
1542137;1473906224;mircea_popescu;let the guy maintain his own flavour, what.
1542138;1473906225;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542133 << they were trinque's logbot and the base lib it was built on.
1542139;1473906225;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 02:20 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why are you holding two separate projects in the same one dir ?
1542140;1473906238;mircea_popescu;they should be merged.
1542141;1473906253;mircea_popescu;do not alter the bubble level! alter the surface!
1542142;1473906333;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542102 << this would not be a good use of anyone's time, i have my own vtron
1542143;1473906333;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d.  i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
1542144;1473906355;asciilifeform;my point was that the init thing is a set of reins on airplane.
1542145;1473906416;phf;what does init do?
1542146;1473906418;mircea_popescu;well... your re-point, at any rate.
1542147;1473906418;asciilifeform;and yes i can wget -m ... trinque's 'v' dir, etc.
1542148;1473906454;asciilifeform;but i say that 'let's pretend v is git' leads nowhere good.
1542149;1473906478;asciilifeform;phf: it tries to be git, svn, etc.  loads project from www.
1542150;1473906493;phf;ah
1542151;1473906494;asciilifeform;'automatically'
1542152;1473906518;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that's one deeply incompetent nurse.
1542153;1473906539;mircea_popescu;"i have this here certificate ; i expect salary ; what do you mean there's work to do ? ewww!"
1542154;1473906551;*;mircea_popescu is betting argentina national.
1542155;1473906559;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: AHA, linked for the obvs reason that cowsie nurses are creating their own "watermelon field" future!
1542156;1473906665;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 and then everyone will build on the later version, leaving alf version stranded. << indeed. fair enough
1542157;1473906677;phf;i think mod6's v is trying to solve bootstrapping problem, by pretending like it's not one. you have to have v tools, and you also have to have your ~/wot. those are created organically, at which point picking up a tar.gz of vpatches or picking them manually is a nobrainer. but if you're a trb newb, you want all three at the same time, which seems like a subversion of v design. why not just have a v starter kit? you unpack it, you have
1542158;1473906677;phf;a hand curated set of wot, v tools and patches
1542159;1473906692;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542102 << this would not be a good use of anyone's time, i have my own vtron << ok then. no.
1542160;1473906692;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 01:21 mod6: asciilifeform: anyway, don't mean to sound like a d.  i think, lol, that I've come to the conclusion that I might have to make a special 'alf' version that is stripped down of all functionality that does any automatic fetching of source or seals.
1542161;1473906693;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1542162;1473906695;mod6;*np
1542163;1473906712;mircea_popescu;very useful for entryway as it is. the monk is welcome to purify his learning after.
1542164;1473906749;mod6;so, it turns out, in practice, that it very much is not so.
1542165;1473906771;asciilifeform;well trinque is no n00b but his (very useful!) pieces pre-suppose the init thing
1542166;1473906776;mod6;it is actually difficult for individuals who are new to this, to figure out the entire thing. and concepts.
1542167;1473906779;asciilifeform;hence why i even tried it
1542168;1473906812;asciilifeform;mod6: laugh, but yes, the thing melted in my hands
1542169;1473906831;asciilifeform;(i had nfi re the 'must make dir' thing)
1542170;1473906851;mod6;and im stuck between trying to making getting trb up and going for people, in a "one-trigger-pull", and an organic vtron garden.
1542171;1473906868;mod6;asciilifeform: what do you mean, melted in my hands?
1542172;1473906870;mircea_popescu;the fact that you tried to build a badly packaged project (spurious split in two) has ~nothing to do with mod6 's bootstrapping tie-in.
1542173;1473906881;mircea_popescu;again : do not fix the level. fix the god damned wall.
1542174;1473906882;mod6;did you bother to read the extensive documentation that i wrote?
1542175;1473906896;asciilifeform;mod6: i did, in the end.
1542176;1473906920;mod6;and then, you understood how to do such a thing, even if, ill advised?
1542177;1473906943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's the split spurious? there are multiple bots, based on trinque's core set of routines
1542178;1473906981;mircea_popescu;"they were trinque's logbot and the base lib it was built on" << this is what you said. it is different from what you are saying now.
1542179;1473907007;asciilifeform;eh mircea_popescu go and read it. it's two dozem or what lines.
1542180;1473907016;asciilifeform;rather than my attempt to summarize.
1542181;1473907018;mircea_popescu;just make every project be one single project.
1542182;1473907018;phf;the patches in question, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot . i actually have no idea how they overlap if at all.
1542183;1473907030;mircea_popescu;because that's the fucking point : for a project to be one project. not two.
1542184;1473907044;mircea_popescu;that's the thing that has to fucking die, "libraries" in the linux sense of the term.
1542185;1473907075;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as a "library" ; and there is no such thing as "code reuse". put everything in a directory and build it.
1542186;1473907094;mircea_popescu;once. altogether.
1542187;1473907115;phf;asciilifeform: i remember when i was talking about asdf, you were saying that the problem has been solved by v. in this case the split exists explicitly because logbot/ircbot are mutually dependant by asdf, but no in any v way
1542188;1473907137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and when he finds bug, 10,000,001 cut'n'pasted instances of his routine must be found and patched ?
1542189;1473907162;mircea_popescu;they are not mutually dependent on one thing. logbot depends on asdf-logbot ; ircbot depends on asdf-ircbot. these MAY be identical, but the fact that they are identical is a people-knowledge, not a machine knowledge.
1542190;1473907181;mircea_popescu;create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed.
1542191;1473907193;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform when he finds a bug he goes and hangs himself.
1542192;1473907203;mircea_popescu;stop coding for bugs, and stop wearing condoms to your babysitting jig.
1542193;1473907233;mircea_popescu;gig*
1542194;1473907240;asciilifeform;when we all seppuku, realize, mircea_popescu will have to take gloves off and program by himself..
1542195;1473907256;mircea_popescu;just stop coding for bugs.
1542196;1473907290;phf;dijkstra could do it, why not you
1542197;1473907293;asciilifeform;i had a great b00k as a kid, where the headsman ends up having to chop own head. i wonder if phf or mircea_popescu remember what it was.
1542198;1473907305;mircea_popescu;check him out, adept of fits in head, worried about not being able to find the broken code HE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD. pshhh
1542199;1473907334;mircea_popescu;phf it'd better be you ; you're younger.
1542200;1473907382;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as it is i sit on a raft, all day, every day, in ocean of 'things we really shouldn't have to have had'
1542201;1473907388;asciilifeform;and row the raft.
1542202;1473907457;mircea_popescu;libraries ; the modern coder's excuse for not reading code. "it's a LIBRARY!!11!!! dude. you don't read that!"
1542203;1473907518;asciilifeform;well no, i read it. but once, and not every time some joker switches the tabs to spaces and pastes etc.
1542204;1473907565;mircea_popescu;this is not a problem in the constraints presented. "create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed."
1542205;1473907572;mircea_popescu;you keep the thing you read, and paste it where you need it.
1542206;1473907625;mircea_popescu;if someone comes up with a way to sort in linear time, you a) READ his way b) UNDERSTAND his way and c) IMPLEMENT it. yourself. that's the golden measure. and ideally you come up with what he came up verbatim. or else you have a discussion on the table!
1542207;1473907632;asciilifeform;so long as it lives in separate file that is recognizably same every time it is used, i can't think of any reason to disagree
1542208;1473907674;mircea_popescu;which is what i mean : take that library apart, merge it into the bot, be happy, it'll be one project as god intended.
1542209;1473907683;asciilifeform;ah then yes.
1542210;1473907700;asciilifeform;anyway this is a request for trinque .
1542211;1473907766;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also looks like it uses some irc lib
1542212;1473907792;asciilifeform;should also live inside ?
1542213;1473907806;mircea_popescu;errything.
1542214;1473907815;asciilifeform;and sbcl ?
1542215;1473907827;mircea_popescu;eeeeerything
1542216;1473907841;asciilifeform;and it wants a gcc when you first build it
1542217;1473907856;asciilifeform;reader of logbot should begin by reading gcc?
1542218;1473907859;mircea_popescu;you know i'm right ; impracticality aside.
1542219;1473907865;mircea_popescu;do as much as practical ; and more tomorrow.
1542220;1473907868;asciilifeform;or perhaps x86 ref manual...
1542221;1473907925;mircea_popescu;anyway, blessfully there exists this magic librarizing where "kernel" is split from "userland". which can be the border for a while.
1542222;1473907955;asciilifeform;in practice the semantic boundry is fictional.
1542223;1473907961;mircea_popescu;aha.
1542224;1473907964;asciilifeform;as most readers know.
1542225;1473908004;phf;(asciilifeform: have you tried reading bordeaux-threads that cl-irc depends on? that thing is nasty. kind of defeats the whole "here's a clean irc bot vpatch" if you're pulling dodgy, constantly changing dependencies)
1542226;1473908007;asciilifeform;i can piss bits b/w processes, and , in most actual instances, 'privesc' entirely and do whatever.
1542227;1473908032;asciilifeform;phf: how does it 'constantly change' ?
1542228;1473908044;asciilifeform;i dun think i changed mine since... 2009?
1542229;1473908089;mod6;asciilifeform: examine this for a minute: http://dpaste.com/1PZHHA8.txt
1542230;1473908114;asciilifeform;mod6: aha?
1542231;1473908134;mod6;aha
1542232;1473908181;asciilifeform;mod6: i'm thick. point finger to the important bit plox
1542233;1473908183;phf;bordeaux-threads? it's being updated, last commit is june 25, 2016. main problem though is that you never know when it's going to get the cffi treatment, or slime treatment, etc.
1542234;1473908203;asciilifeform;phf: tell me what means 'being updated'
1542235;1473908209;mircea_popescu;if you keep it at home that when is never
1542236;1473908213;asciilifeform;i dun load the updates
1542237;1473908223;asciilifeform;so it can be updated on venus for all i care
1542238;1473908243;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu nailed it
1542239;1473908256;mod6;is this not what you're trying to do? one parent dir, two child 'patches' dirs ('trb' and 'ircbot'), each with respective seal dirs ('.trb-seals' and '.ircbot-seals') both being able to be used ~fine~ with v.pl (v99995)
1542240;1473908263;mircea_popescu;and since you wash what you bring home, esp prior to use, well...
1542241;1473908282;asciilifeform;mod6: i tried to init twice
1542242;1473908288;asciilifeform;mod6: second aborted
1542243;1473908299;asciilifeform;and produced no patches
1542244;1473908352;asciilifeform;mod6: i simply followed trinque's recipes verbatim, one after the other.
1542245;1473908369;mod6;so this is what you ran into?
1542246;1473908370;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0S1WFK9.txt
1542247;1473908378;asciilifeform;aha
1542248;1473908381;asciilifeform;it.
1542249;1473908386;mod6;it does that on purpose.
1542250;1473908405;asciilifeform;but with ~different~ project the second time
1542251;1473908423;mod6;if you want to ~re-sync~, you need to use: 'sa', 'se', 'ss', or 'sv'
1542252;1473908432;mod6;see './v.pl h'
1542253;1473908444;mod6;ok sec
1542254;1473908581;mod6;so here's my using 'init' to sync trb, and trinque's ircbot, then using both. trb with the default 'patches' and '.seals' and ircbot with the non-default: http://dpaste.com/2EFW6G4.txt
1542255;1473908634;asciilifeform;ah looks like you gave it explicit destinations
1542256;1473908645;asciilifeform;this was not in trinque's cookbook.
1542257;1473908667;mod6;ah.
1542258;1473908669;mircea_popescu;<mod6> did you bother to read the extensive documentation that i wrote? <
1542259;1473908707;mod6;i've never even seen his cookbook, but perhaps his doesn't have more than one project in a dir.  but indeed, ya, you can do that. even if 'tis ill advised.
1542260;1473908745;asciilifeform;anyway this is not a bug report for mod6
1542261;1473908762;phf;asciilifeform: being updated in a sense that we can't have a meaningful v conversation, since your b-t is from 2009, mine is from 2011 and trinque's is from 2016 most likely. all logbot has is a pointer to "cl-log". for all i know tomorrow's version of cl-log is not even going to have b-t in ir
1542262;1473908765;phf;*it
1542263;1473908796;asciilifeform;phf: there is 1 and only 1! pill that cures .
1542264;1473908818;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu noted.
1542265;1473908914;phf;word
1542266;1473908916;mod6;<+asciilifeform> anyway this is not a bug report for mod6 << no worries either way.  more than anything, I want to help you use it successfully. :]
1542267;1473908927;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1542268;1473909138;mod6;btw: is this trinque's cookbook then? http://trinque.org/2016/08/10/ircbot-genesis/
1542269;1473909203;asciilifeform;aha
1542270;1473909221;asciilifeform;it + the other page
1542271;1473909229;mod6;ok, yah. his thing basically figures that you make a new dir and so-forth
1542272;1473909298;mod6;no worries, glad it's resolved.
1542273;1473910179;shinohai;!!up judywatson
1542274;1473910179;deedbot;judywatson voiced for 30 minutes.
1542275;1473910954;phf;you better wise up, janet weiss
1542276;1473911007;shinohai;ya salio
1542277;1473911108;phf;che cosa
1542278;1473913212;asciilifeform;we're headed to 'Му sister, do you still recall, как Ельцин бился мордой в пол…' arent we.
1542279;1473925555;deedbot;http://thestringpuller.com/2016/09/coppin-louie-loafers-just-to-thug-in-em/ << Pull Your Own Strings - Coppin Louie Loafers Just to Thug in Em
1542280;1473927789;BingoBoingo;ty tsp
1542281;1473940910;mircea_popescu;and in other jours de la francophonie news, "Please carefully read.  Sorry for the inconveniences it might occur to you, maybe if youЎЇre not interested in this my proposal I will be offering to you now, and again also I will be very sorry if my English writings do not meet your expectationЎЇs, please try to understands my country is officially a French speaking country, but I have to use English language for writing you
1542282;1473940911;mircea_popescu;in the way I can, because itЎЇs the world general business language which can simply understand in anywhere in the world, well I am the son of the former president of Cote D'Ivoire (ivory coast) in west Africa Mr. Laurent Gbagbo."
1542283;1473941355;mircea_popescu;(the guy being impersonated is kinda interesting, a sort of rhodesia.fr)
1542284;1473946667;asciilifeform;in other lultronics, https://github.com/elendirx/web2web << i liked even 'freenet' moar. the endless xerocopies of xerocopies of ...
1542285;1473946755;asciilifeform;i still dun get how the thing worx without downloading entire blockchain
1542286;1473946797;asciilifeform;cheat with bc.info or similar, is my guess.
1542287;1473946828;asciilifeform;and yes. '$.get('https://blockexplorer.com/api/txs/?address=' + CONFIG.btcAddress)'
1542288;1473946832;asciilifeform;idiots.
1542289;1473946840;asciilifeform;'polish astronaut'
1542290;1473946867;asciilifeform;'we'll fly to the sun! at night!'
1542291;1473946928;thestringpuller;double spending as a service >> http://archive.is/n7rMW << i really wish the VER-ified crowd would stop saying unconfirmed transactions are a yoose case
1542292;1473947026;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: lulzy pinoy campaign. appears to promote the idea that there is such a thing as being successfully double-spent against as a user of actual bitcoin.
1542293;1473947048;asciilifeform;which is poppycock to the literate folk, but they are not the target audience.
1542294;1473947071;asciilifeform;why are you eating in the latrine pit thestringpuller ? you ain't a pig
1542295;1473947098;thestringpuller;boredom at work
1542296;1473947143;asciilifeform;what sort of work do you do , thestringpuller ?
1542297;1473947229;thestringpuller;Also not eating latrine pit, I have to work in it. Not all of us are blessed enough to have kooshy uranium mine job like asciilifeform or mats. As for the type of work >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488309 << is a good description.
1542298;1473947229;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 15:11 mircea_popescu: "i understand ruby! put it in docker and rub puppett on your clittie!"
1542299;1473947281;thestringpuller;I was knee deep in a project that used all 3 a couple days ago. I'm still washing off the stench :(
1542300;1473947378;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i was referring to the pinoy pit of 'bitcoin' 'news', rather than the salt mine thestringpuller toils in.
1542301;1473947560;thestringpuller;well salt mine is actually a latrine too. everything pretty much smells like shit when clean latrines all day.
1542302;1473947901;*;trinque wakes up, blinks
1542303;1473948020;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu dulap is down and i have no idea why. dead ping.
1542304;1473948020;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1542305;1473948135;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542182 << they overlap in that one contains a class ircbot, which is then extended to be a logbot (i.e. one who reads and writes from postgresql)
1542306;1473948135;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 02:36 phf: the patches in question, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot . i actually have no idea how they overlap if at all.
1542307;1473948158;trinque;there is no small amount of lines anyone will read?
1542308;1473948167;asciilifeform;trinque: i read it.
1542309;1473948201;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu apparently false alarm - was unreachable from usa for several minutes
1542310;1473948202;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1542311;1473948202;trinque;iirc ben_vulpes did too, so I retract the "anyone"
1542312;1473948269;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542190 << asdf is the "system" manager, wouldn't be needed in scrollcode world
1542313;1473948269;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 02:39 mircea_popescu: create two copies of this "asdf" platonic solid, place them appropriately, they will be distinct items. and proceed.
1542314;1473948285;trinque;but I think this would be an interesting experiment, and should be possible in lisp
1542315;1473948289;asciilifeform;trinque: read the thread. and, for that matter, the tinyscheme thread. mircea_popescu has a very particular idea of what 'abolish libraries' entails.
1542316;1473948303;trinque;to programmatically slurp all used items into your own code
1542317;1473948314;peterl;!!v 8E6A5A612E4CA2389D2CE81A7C151370D281FDF3F4EA90718678A7D1B6613CF7
1542318;1473948314;deedbot;peterl rated scoopbot 1 << A bot I made
1542319;1473948369;asciilifeform;trinque: a fully vtronic replacement for asdf and quicklisp would rock
1542320;1473948370;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah, and I said a while back I will perhaps sign an implementation of RSA, but *never* a large crypto library
1542321;1473948385;trinque;asciilifeform: oh yes it would.
1542322;1473948421;asciilifeform;where i could, e.g., (require "a591af341ff436f6a3391aa5163f6bc366358b719427154f88815d87213798c92eae4923e6be147b92c04562619564d7a64ad9ac51ca08e5165b0b4b3da9813a") would bring in ircbot
1542323;1473948451;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/trilingual-charm-harm/ << Trilema - Trilingual Charm-Harm
1542324;1473948455;asciilifeform;and if it is found on my disk, then it loads, otherwise asks permission to look in various preprogrammed places
1542325;1473948546;*;trinque driving for a bit, will rejoin thread in ~1hr
1542326;1473949283;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the main cause of all the turmoil whenever we discuss this particular thing is that you keep confusing syntax and meta-syntax. but it's finally clearing up, because eg. "where i could, e.g., (require "a591af34" is starting to sound like sanity, which is to say, that you import primitives rather than collations.
1542327;1473949334;mircea_popescu;the concept of "library" as "this collection of primitives" is meta-syntactic, and strictly personal idiomatic. that a bunch of anglotards try this thing where they "all mean nigger in the same sense - and everyone always does!" is just you know, anglotards being anglotards.
1542328;1473949362;mircea_popescu;the concept of "require" as "this particular primitive" is one thing ; but the way it's practiced and the way fucking galls me is as "this particular collection".
1542329;1473949451;mircea_popescu;in sanity, you are supposed to a) be acquainted with functions, objects, structures, etc by name ; and on the grounds of having read and wrote them until they revealed all their secrets, no "we got to second base"  bullshit ; b) import them, and them only. which is why "require library" is so fucking idiotic.
1542330;1473949508;mircea_popescu;and if you CAN'T do this, then the solution is to go, read. i also can't speak maori, but this doesn't mean i sit around and make "maori sounding" noises.
1542331;1473950861;Framedragger;mein gott. decided to deploy one of the newer 'productivity web apps' for work, official install is through docker, and *obviously* official docker install is `wget -qO- https://get.docker.com/ | sh`. BUT LOOK at the end of that legit2000.sh is:
1542332;1473950865;Framedragger;# wrapped up in a function so that we have some protection against only getting
1542333;1473950865;Framedragger;# half the file during "curl | sh"
1542334;1473950865;Framedragger;do_install
1542335;1473950880;Framedragger;IT'S ALL GOOD GUYS I'VE GOT DIS
1542336;1473950889;Framedragger;>:(
1542337;1473950939;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542326 << i suspect that we didn't actually disagree on this to begin with.
1542338;1473950939;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 14:21 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the main cause of all the turmoil whenever we discuss this particular thing is that you keep confusing syntax and meta-syntax. but it's finally clearing up, because eg. "where i could, e.g., (require "a591af34" is starting to sound like sanity, which is to say, that you import primitives rather than collations.
1542339;1473950950;asciilifeform;notation problem.
1542340;1473950985;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: thanks for reminding me of kharms, that's *one* modern russian writer i've actually read (in .lt), good stuff. recall reading it on a bench in park with friend and a bottle of something strong between us. people smirked at us, i smirked back
1542341;1473951172;shinohai;!~lazerkittens
1542342;1473951172;jhvh1;ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
1542343;1473951193;thestringpuller;Framedragger: OMG. You have spoken exactly what I feel with all our dockerized apps.
1542344;1473951202;thestringpuller;I want to make it stop.
1542345;1473951972;phf;trinque: i was being fanciful. i used most of the ircbot for a111, so had to at least stackoverflow read it ;P
1542346;1473952133;phf;i think asdf is evil, version 3 is doing some straight up systemd shit. for those who don't know asdf 3 comes with fare's own portability layer called uiop, which in a very systemd agressive and underhanded style is superseding existing utility libraries.
1542347;1473952153;*;asciilifeform recalls thread
1542348;1473952165;asciilifeform;it got 'flycheck'-ed.
1542349;1473952450;phf;indeed, and it's also very idiosyncratic, to the point where i don't think anyone but Fare can work on it. on a whim i switched my system to asdf 1.* (last release before peanut gallery took asdf over) and not surprisingly everything works, ~except~ when project explicitly relies on asdf3 functionality, which is exclusively test hooks, uiop and hardcoded "needs asdf>3" requirements
1542350;1473952587;asciilifeform;phf: there are two and precisely two kinds of heathen proggy: the kind that's been poetteringized, and the kind that will be.
1542351;1473952595;phf;:)
1542352;1473952616;asciilifeform;which is why any item that is of interest here, ought to be picked up and nailed to the floor, as i nailed trb's deps.
1542353;1473952664;phf;in related news i finally read genera's defsystem spec and not only does it ~makes sense~ it's also obvious that first takes on c-land defsystems was a pale imitation of original functionality, i.e. слышит звон но не знает где он
1542354;1473952691;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1542355;1473952708;asciilifeform;btw phf , can haz schematics ?
1542356;1473952732;asciilifeform;what do you need to make'em happen ?
1542357;1473952737;asciilifeform;bigger camera ?
1542358;1473952796;phf;maybe
1542359;1473952878;asciilifeform;in unrelated noose, one of my recent digs concluded with the sad discovery that nobody on the planet is any longer supplying microcontrollers with uv window eprom in appreciable qty.
1542360;1473952889;asciilifeform;at any price.
1542361;1473952902;Framedragger;phf: is that spec available online somewhere (or, keywords) by any chance? curious to take a peek at some point.. is it published by symbolics?
1542362;1473952932;asciilifeform;Framedragger: https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics << a start
1542363;1473952968;Framedragger;oh - much thanks
1542364;1473952981;Framedragger;neeeat.
1542365;1473952981;phf;Framedragger: entire set of symbolics documents is on the bitsavers, i can track down relevant bits for you, but it'll take a bit, since i was reading it on a lispm
1542366;1473953042;phf;you probably want this set specifically http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/symbolics/software/genera_8/
1542367;1473953071;Framedragger;phf: aha, bitsavers, noted, thanks! alf's archive.org copy should do just fine.. there's even plain text format, doesn't appear to be garbled
1542368;1473953081;Framedragger;phf: niice. thanks
1542369;1473953112;asciilifeform;Framedragger: these really wanted to be read on the machine, it was the original and - imho - still best of all time 'context doc' system
1542370;1473953131;phf;Framedragger: alf's archive link ~is~ bitsavers, it's just not like 1 pdf. it's about 200 of them, so you kind of need to narrow it down a bit
1542371;1473953137;asciilifeform;i have the dead tree version, it was given to me as a gift by an old and tired ex-mit fella
1542372;1473953152;asciilifeform;takes up most of a shelf.
1542373;1473953204;phf;i'm hoping that for my deeds dks will grant me a boon, "i asked 'er for a hair from her head. she gave me three"
1542374;1473953211;asciilifeform;at the time i was fixated on ~cloning~ the machine and was quite disappointed with the docs, there is minimal discussion of internals.
1542375;1473953262;asciilifeform;i even offered to dks to make formal commercial partnership to build clone, and he gave impression that he was interested but unfree to agree
1542376;1473953273;asciilifeform;but this was long ago.
1542377;1473953380;asciilifeform;(per my estimate of the transistor count, i'd say that a 100% cycle-for-cycle clone could handily sit down in a $100 fpga and leave plenty of room for, e.g., modern colour vga, etc.)
1542378;1473953418;Framedragger;phf: ah gotcha, just checked
1542379;1473954918;asciilifeform;https://www.vttoth.com/CMS/personal/247-vp-01m << in other, quite unrelated olds.
1542380;1473955416;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think we did, no.
1542381;1473955521;mircea_popescu;phf the moral being that communities belong enslaved ; and not in control.
1542382;1473955675;mircea_popescu;Framedragger there's this deep pastoral root of his specific flavour ; he sounds in a sense like twain, and like jerome k jerome, and like the arab absurdists.
1542383;1473955744;asciilifeform;phf and possibly other folks will find v. toth's ~entire www interesting. it is one of these quite educational but at same time mega-depressing 'these people aren't made any moar' affairs.
1542384;1473956008;shinohai;add trilema.com to twitter bot and get 250k impressions in a week
1542385;1473956135;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542362 << amazing link, justifies archiveception: http://archive.is/tzDax
1542386;1473956135;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 15:22 asciilifeform: Framedragger: https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics << a start
1542387;1473956151;mircea_popescu;o.O
1542388;1473956174;asciilifeform;adlai: that didn't actually save anything...
1542389;1473956243;asciilifeform;( does adlai post by morsing on the wall of his cell ? he hardly ever speaks these days )
1542390;1473956397;phf;when i hear the word community ..., i release the safety on my browning
1542391;1473956408;asciilifeform;komyoooniti.
1542392;1473956534;*;adlai learned that before pressing the clock, he counts again liberties of each group. this is as relevant to irc as it is to pokemon.
1542393;1473956596;asciilifeform;looks like fella got a 1st class barbed wire education.
1542394;1473956599;*;asciilifeform takes off hat.
1542395;1473956606;adlai;sadly the archiveception waned oiotoshic
1542396;1473956662;phf;they are much better with thought control, out there in jew land. former ussr engineers, what do you expect.
1542397;1473956697;adlai;EUGENICISTS LITERALLY GENOCIDE HIM
1542398;1473956712;trinque;ah, that's more like it adlai
1542399;1473956714;trinque;lol
1542400;1473956743;*;trinque hasn't had a good deed poem in a while
1542401;1473956801;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in real jew land, http://67.media.tumblr.com/b0d2e2497da7f451a3e9b88494d4a2e1/tumblr_nxp647eJbO1ua285do2_r1_400.gif
1542402;1473956871;*;adlai hasn't had a ~good~ deed poem in his entire life
1542403;1473956888;shinohai;thy rod and thy staff they comfort me
1542404;1473957187;mircea_popescu;"one day, orlov got indigestion from a pea dish, and died. krilov, hearing such, died too. spiridonov however died all by himself. and his wife fell from the cupboard and also died. and his children drowned in a pond. and his grandmother took to the bottle and started hitchhiking."
1542405;1473957248;adlai;"... and then there were none"
1542406;1473957267;mircea_popescu;such pravoslavnic folk and they can't find themselves a stable situation.
1542407;1473957310;adlai;what do horse quarters have to do with the price of eggs in wottistan?
1542408;1473957995;adlai;anyway, it turns out that there is 'free energy' to be scalped off markets other than s.mpoe[RIP]. who'da thunk?
1542409;1473959506;adlai;ARE WE THE GODS OF OUR UNIVERSE?
1542410;1473959518;phf;:)
1542411;1473960839;asciilifeform;http://frass.woodcoin.org/rip-the-news-1704-2013 << in other noose, funkenstein_ reports 'death of news'. lulzy.
1542412;1473960862;asciilifeform;(well, other olds.)
1542413;1473960954;asciilifeform;http://frass.woodcoin.org/bitcoin-is-socialist-some-more-2 << more recent lulz from same.
1542414;1473961043;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
1542415;1473961070;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it isn't clear that the thing needs to be a plugin
1542416;1473961084;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: just generate the necessary html on own box prior to posting
1542417;1473961151;*;ben_vulpes frowns
1542418;1473961176;phf;moar plugins!
1542419;1473961184;ben_vulpes;great, back into org mode export html cranking
1542420;1473961204;asciilifeform;srsly tell me why this needs to live on server.
1542421;1473961264;ben_vulpes;shan't
1542422;1473961266;phf;mp's footnotes have a nifty feature, where each footnote is unique over the publishing history. would be hard to do it manually
1542423;1473961284;asciilifeform;phf: then keep a (gensym) thing on the server you can call.
1542424;1473961344;phf;ben_vulpes: don't listen to him, he's insane
1542425;1473961359;ben_vulpes;why do unique footnotes over whole thing matter?
1542426;1473961391;phf;i see how it is
1542427;1473961422;ben_vulpes;hey genuinely curious what you see in that
1542428;1473961428;ben_vulpes;other than creeping featuritis
1542429;1473961450;ben_vulpes;(featuritits oblig)
1542430;1473961496;phf;when you include multiple articles in an aggregation, footnotes just work(tm)
1542431;1473961509;asciilifeform;^
1542432;1473961544;ben_vulpes;ah that is handy
1542433;1473962228;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes footnotes in footnote i actually do by hand.
1542434;1473962240;mircea_popescu;deliberately, too. some things should be painful to produce.
1542435;1473962282;asciilifeform;https://opendime.com << moar great promisetronics. 'There is no way to input data as the drive is read-only. Also, a new random nonce is signed each time you power up device. You can also plug/re-plug to get a new nonce and matching signature.' etc.
1542436;1473962348;mircea_popescu;phf i see somebody's been doing some things!
1542437;1473962424;mircea_popescu;this'd be the exactly counterpart to the very common "mp is in heaven and i am in hell, life is so unfair" ever-so-common approach. "oh look, i thought i too had a blog ; except check out what a proper one actually does!"
1542438;1473962492;ben_vulpes;how'd you arrange for the unique-over-blog handles?
1542439;1473962512;mircea_popescu;you know you already have the code.
1542440;1473962563;*;ben_vulpes to dig
1542441;1473962569;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/the-human-latrine-pig/#identifier_9_68858 << notice the identifier part. images work the same way, eg class="aligncenter size-large wp-image-68863 in that same article.
1542442;1473962593;mircea_popescu;from which we find that, remarkably, by mid sept 2016 trilema had published 68.8k footnotes and 68.8k images.
1542443;1473962611;mircea_popescu;within a tolerance of o.01%
1542444;1473962768;asciilifeform;re: earlier link,  https://github.com/opendime/opendime/blob/master/unsealed/advanced/rngverify.py << if you read this, it is trivially obvious that the manufacturer can trivially supply a secret (presumably a pill against their rng) that would allow a user to silently spend the contents of a 'sealed' drive. ~how~ is left as exercise for readers.
1542445;1473962824;asciilifeform;whole thing linked here solely to illustrate the kind of braindamage without which promisetronics could not exist. it occurs to no one to ask ~what ensure that it behaves like-so~.
1542446;1473962830;asciilifeform;*ensures
1542447;1473962841;*;mircea_popescu shall now read
1542448;1473962882;asciilifeform;( generally there are few enough active sc4mz0rz peddling hardware that i normally take the sweat to read their output, it is educational )
1542449;1473962972;asciilifeform;'There are a number of ways to verify the device; first, you can click on a link shown in the index.htm file present on the device. That link includes a signed message, that only an Opendime with access to the private key can generate.' << who wants to buy one of these things and see what the nonces look like.
1542450;1473963035;asciilifeform;'Can I re-seal after breaking the center?  No. A permanent change is made inside the flash memory of the processor.' << which i can't remove and replace with identical-looking one, containing same procedure, exactly why...?
1542451;1473963074;asciilifeform;gotta love the neverending attempt to make water non-wet.
1542452;1473963251;asciilifeform;it is not especially hard to make physically-indistinguishable device where i know privkey in advance before giving the 'uncopyable' item to a chump.
1542453;1473963449;asciilifeform;i quite enjoy reading about machines that are ~intrinsic~ scamatrons - i.e. the design cannot possibly be described as 'honest mistake', or even product of ordinary stupidity
1542454;1473963508;asciilifeform;but rather it is a carefully-designed weapon against the buyer, who pays for, aims, and fires it with own hands...
1542455;1473964197;asciilifeform;'Restrictions. You shall not: (a) except as expressly permitted herein, reproduce, duplicate, copy, disclose, sell, resell, sublicense, distribute, assign, transfer, give away, loan, lend, lease, publish, pledge or create a security interest in the Software or use the Software other than in connection with the Product on which it is included; (b) modify, port, adapt, translate, reverse engineer, unbundle, repackage, decompile, disass
1542456;1473964197;asciilifeform;emble or convert into human readable form any part of the Product or Software or create derivative works based on, or any competitive or emulating software, service or solution using, any Product or Software; ' << moar lel
1542457;1473964204;asciilifeform;( https://opendime.com/legal )
1542458;1473964450;mircea_popescu;hey, derps got rights.
1542459;1473964544;mircea_popescu;anyway, the protection here is that if indeed this item is to be used "like a dollar bill", then that's protection enough.
1542460;1473964571;mircea_popescu;it's not worth it to third party to copy for one dollar ; and otherwise the supply floats at the pleasure of the issuer.
1542461;1473964593;mircea_popescu;so buyer is getting literally what was promised him : a small USB stick that allows you to spend Bitcoin like a dollar bill.
1542462;1473964639;asciilifeform;problem begins when it is a $1000 bill.
1542463;1473964659;mircea_popescu;yeah, well. problem begins when consumer prefers to pretend everything scales liniarly.
1542464;1473964670;asciilifeform;but also from the sheer antipedagogic (is there better term?) effect of the thing even being taken seriously by anyone.
1542465;1473964674;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, to be a consumer means - you get comfortable X, and no possibility to scale it.
1542466;1473964688;mircea_popescu;how is it antipedagogic ? is fire antipedagogic also ?
1542467;1473964707;mircea_popescu;if judged by effects, fire is more pedagogic than university.
1542468;1473964741;asciilifeform;'Yes. It's like a piggy-bank. You must destroy it to spend the funds. At first that seems expensive and wasteful, but it's a key part of our security model: you can trust a sealed Opendime, and it's obvious when it's been opened.' etc. is a lie.
1542469;1473964752;asciilifeform;fire is not a sham sold under wholly spurious pretense.
1542470;1473964771;mircea_popescu;o, really ?
1542471;1473964779;mircea_popescu;whoever sells fire is selling the sizzle :)
1542472;1473964799;asciilifeform;really 'opendime' is a small variation on the tired old 'physical coins' theme.
1542473;1473964810;mircea_popescu;kinda has to be neh.
1542474;1473964833;asciilifeform;but with moar faux 'proof' slathered on (it signs a helloworld with the privkey every time it is switched on, etc.)
1542475;1473964859;asciilifeform;if i had time, i'd buy the thing and publicly rape it (differential power probe) but i haven't the time.
1542476;1473964861;asciilifeform;good student project.
1542477;1473964931;mircea_popescu;the part you don't seem to at all grasp is that ~nobody cares.
1542478;1473964946;asciilifeform;i do grasp. this crud tends to go away very quickly.
1542479;1473964950;mircea_popescu;literally. there are more of these vomit kernels "published" on social media than there are readers.
1542480;1473964954;mircea_popescu;by a factor of about 500
1542481;1473964961;asciilifeform;not so many hardwaretronic scams.
1542482;1473964970;mircea_popescu;you might as well apply basic grammar to myspace postings.
1542483;1473965061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when, e.g., mod6 goes into the forest to teach woman how to shoot a turkey, he presumably does not do it because the individual turkey was important.
1542484;1473965104;mircea_popescu;wait, this was a "basics of hardware reverse engineering" class ?
1542485;1473965125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the curriculum, if you will, of 'sane hardware' consists of public rapes.
1542486;1473965138;thestringpuller;is opendime that bullshit open hardware wallet?
1542487;1473965139;mircea_popescu;your material is very dubiously organised!
1542488;1473965149;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: one of.
1542489;1473965190;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: and you ask why I'm trudging through the latrines?
1542490;1473965236;asciilifeform;eh this here's a high-class latrine, with imperial human pigwimminz
1542491;1473965243;asciilifeform;not some village dirtpit!1111111
1542492;1473965267;thestringpuller;really!?!?!? just because one latrine is dirt and the other is marble you don't care about the smell of the shit?
1542493;1473965298;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it isn't that the shit stinks less, but that latrine with pig is educational, vs the other kind.
1542494;1473965403;thestringpuller;in the way human centipede is educational?
1542495;1473965440;thestringpuller;but i understand. i would be interested to see asciilifeform design of "opendime-like" device
1542496;1473965455;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: you won't.
1542497;1473965459;asciilifeform;because whole concept is braindamaged.
1542498;1473965468;asciilifeform;this was not clear from my observations ?
1542499;1473965593;thestringpuller;lemme rephrase "I'm interested in scheme by ALF for offline BTC exchange"
1542500;1473965610;asciilifeform;again you won't
1542501;1473965615;asciilifeform;because fundamentally braindamaged.
1542502;1473965655;asciilifeform;bitcoin is only working in its design envelope when moved by broadcasting actual tx.
1542503;1473965658;thestringpuller;Is it braindamaged if you give ben_vulpes bag of benjies and he hands you paper wallet?
1542504;1473965659;asciilifeform;or by sitting still.
1542505;1473965680;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: yes if you're playing single-shot 'dilemma'.
1542506;1473965796;asciilifeform;and you haven't been 'paid in btc' until the coins land in addr for which you have sole control of privkey.
1542507;1473965846;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: lemme ask this. Lets say TMSR existed on meatspace island. ben_vulpes mod6 phf asciilifeform are all small business owners. Would you trust exchanging "phsyical btc" with them and only them, or still only in "one shot scenario"?
1542508;1473965876;asciilifeform;btc doesn't even make sense in the given picture.
1542509;1473965913;asciilifeform;ever been to actual village? folks pay 'in materiel', with word of honour, etc.
1542510;1473965974;thestringpuller;aha
1542511;1473965992;thestringpuller;so no different than >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1374612 ?
1542512;1473965992;a111;Logged on 2016-01-17 21:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.
1542513;1473966014;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: understand, 'physical btc' is dumb because it makes promises that are physically impossible to keep. if you simply shove sheet of paper with privkey at someone, you at least have no illusions about possible pitfalls of doing it.
1542514;1473966031;asciilifeform;whereas with 'physical coins' people imagine they have some sort of protections. which is poppycock.
1542515;1473966078;thestringpuller;This I understand. Accounting of that sort cannot exist outside of strong WoT. Cuz scammers.
1542516;1473966101;thestringpuller;I was just wondering in context of WoT, does it make sense then? or is it still braindamaged.
1542517;1473966138;asciilifeform;the hologram, faux crypto, etc. are scamatronic in that they offer 0 pill against sc4mz0r, while being quite unnecessary when trading with trusted party.
1542518;1473966166;mircea_popescu;the only question remains, how long ago was thestringpuller actually replaced with the markov device.
1542519;1473966176;asciilifeform;it offers 0 advantage over sheet of paper. paper costs ~0 however, while 'magic coin' fattens worm.
1542520;1473966225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when he drinks, i'd guess.
1542521;1473966302;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i need to be more descriptive. devil in details and all that.
1542522;1473967039;asciilifeform;it is altogether unclear to me how 'more descriptive' would help. subj is a dead end.
1542523;1473967114;asciilifeform;bitcoin is moved between holders by issuing a tx. attempting any other method, under the guise of 'transacting in bitcoin', is fraudulent of the sender, and idiotic of the receiver.
1542524;1473967481;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Details in my inquiries and thoughts. My inquiry was more along the lines of "offchain" accounting in physical world. Answer is: priv key on paper.
1542525;1473967554;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it also isn't clear to me why anyone would want to walk around with a paper privkey.
1542526;1473967557;asciilifeform;even across the street.
1542527;1473967566;asciilifeform;if you trust the counterparty, he pgp's you an addr and you pay to that.
1542528;1473967572;asciilifeform;if you don't trust, then no deal.
1542529;1473967600;asciilifeform;whereas walking with the paper is an invitation to everybody to knock you over the head and take the coin.
1542530;1473967644;thestringpuller;so boil it down even more. write down who owes what after years of bar tab. send address, settle up.
1542531;1473967653;thestringpuller;easy enough.
1542532;1473967678;asciilifeform;the reason i even started this thread is that there is imho a 'sleep of reason breeding monsters' among folks who partake in 'physical coins' and similar.
1542533;1473967730;asciilifeform;they go 'i'm gonna try to make a string of bits that tells me if someone copied it' and end up in same idiot spots as copyrasts making 'copy protection' etc.
1542534;1473967745;thestringpuller;those same folks also want bigger blocks to pay for their coffee
1542535;1473967863;asciilifeform;well no, not same ones, these think they can 'use bitcoin' without creating tx.
1542536;1473967884;asciilifeform;but by instead passing papers/scratch'n'sniffs/magical usb thingies/etc. around.
1542537;1473967892;thestringpuller;well there is a subset of folks who want bigger blocks for reasons you specified (for coffee), but still think physical btc is "good idea"
1542538;1473967942;thestringpuller;you know the ones who hate "offchain solutions" for those very reasons of not creating on-chain transaction
1542539;1473967950;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498075 << oblig thread.
1542540;1473967950;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 15:11 asciilifeform: when you transact with btc the way it was built to be transacted with, the problem does not exist.
1542541;1473967984;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 'offchain transaction' is a harmless thing so long as it is not fraudulently presented as 'in bitcoin'.
1542542;1473968066;asciilifeform;if i'm buying six antimatter bombs from thestringpuller, and nominally they cost 1000btc each but he realizes that he owed me 1000btc of iridium from asteroid, and we settle without creating btc tx, this is honest - but is not a btc transaction.
1542543;1473968089;asciilifeform;so i owe him 5000, and we settle in potatoes, also without creating tx, etc.
1542544;1473968996;ben_vulpes;the lng train chugs along: https://gcaptain.com/first-ship-to-ship-lng-bunkering-completed-in-sweden/
1542545;1473969086;asciilifeform;https://gcaptain.com/video-new-view-of-carnival-vista-prop-wash-destroying-italian-marina << lulzy, from same rag
1542546;1473969100;ben_vulpes;yeah, fave
1542547;1473969120;ben_vulpes;best part is the new jersyite "this is bad" refrain
1542548;1473969132;ben_vulpes;second best part is how the princess ship just hauls ass out to sea
1542549;1473969139;ben_vulpes;"see you in court, dipshits!"
1542550;1473969147;asciilifeform;did they ever invent insurance in gypsylandia ?
1542551;1473969169;ben_vulpes;who knows
1542552;1473969171;asciilifeform;and what kind of marina can be leveled with '250,000$ in damage'
1542553;1473969176;asciilifeform;missing a few zeroes ?
1542554;1473969205;ben_vulpes;i don't know what you're looking at for those zeros
1542555;1473969238;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://gcaptain.com/video-carnival-cruise-ships-prop-wash-destroys-italian-marina
1542556;1473969247;asciilifeform;'The local port authority has reportedly launched an investigation into the incident, with local newspapers reporting as much as $250,000 in damages.'
1542557;1473969267;ben_vulpes;ho that's an entirely different angle from what i saw
1542558;1473969323;ben_vulpes;haw haw haw chaos and destruction
1542559;1473969328;ben_vulpes;gcaptain delivers as always!
1542560;1473969370;ben_vulpes;http://i2.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/YM-Wind-2_LUCiD.jpg?w=600 << fuckin metal
1542561;1473969431;asciilifeform;what's that ?
1542562;1473969448;ben_vulpes;crane draped over a container ship in progress
1542563;1473969473;ben_vulpes;from http://gcaptain.com/watch-giant-14000-teu-containership-breaks-free-during-super-typhoon-meranti/
1542564;1473969502;ben_vulpes;oh man and the video of containers toppling
1542565;1473969520;ben_vulpes;typhoon, hanjin
1542566;1473969525;ben_vulpes;the jit economy is in for a shock
1542567;1473969831;mircea_popescu;o hey, skank gas. what a great name for a company.
1542568;1473969847;mircea_popescu;apparently pickled herring does things.
1542569;1473969959;mircea_popescu;oh by the way asciilifeform , TWO STROKE ship engine. because yes, when you have the space and need the efficiency, it beats 4stroke.
1542570;1473970275;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz from the abstenence only club, http://66.media.tumblr.com/a7d8a4be38a47b93f818b69aa99219d7/tumblr_nmy5zaylR91tyr1zwo1_1280.jpg
1542571;1473970541;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 2stroke diesel
1542572;1473970559;mircea_popescu;nah, these days they're dual tanker fuel with gpl.
1542573;1473970582;asciilifeform;it's still a diesel engine.
1542574;1473970598;asciilifeform;y'know, the cycle. not (necessarily) the fuel.
1542575;1473970606;mircea_popescu;that it may be ; but it's still a two stroke engine (total oil loss, for example)
1542576;1473970713;asciilifeform;not necessarily.
1542577;1473970718;asciilifeform;(total loss, that is)
1542578;1473970727;asciilifeform;largely forced compromise in small petrol 2cycles
1542579;1473970741;mircea_popescu;generally how the marine 2stroke works.
1542580;1473970748;asciilifeform;and how would you mix oil into lng ?!
1542581;1473970757;mircea_popescu;spray.
1542582;1473970775;mircea_popescu;oil gets arbitrarily fine dust. hence the blue tinge of eg truck exhaust
1542583;1473970798;asciilifeform;i see this blue every day, from the barbaric lawn machine engines etc.
1542584;1473970802;mircea_popescu;anyway, /me was expecting this protest re "buy a tanker", but never heard it.
1542585;1473970812;asciilifeform;because it is dumb in 1,001 other ways ?
1542586;1473970829;asciilifeform;i didn't mention the cost of paint jobs and debarnacling etc. either.
1542587;1473971147;asciilifeform;anyway mircea_popescu is mistaken: http://www.first-hand.info/image/fig(1.1-9).png << 2stroke diesel motor does not use the crankcase for compression.
1542588;1473971155;asciilifeform;unlike the grass-cutter petrol 2stroke.
1542589;1473971163;asciilifeform;it uses supercharger, because was built by sane folks.
1542590;1473971169;asciilifeform;and there is ample room for it.
1542591;1473971212;asciilifeform;of the 1,001 pitfalls of riding the tanker, the magic blue mist is apparently not one.
1542592;1473971302;ben_vulpes;well reeeeallly you want a turbo for that volumetric efficiency
1542593;1473971318;ben_vulpes;scavenge heat, don't suck power off the main shaft.
1542594;1473971404;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542439 << so i've done my own digging and asked a few others to dig as well, and i can't figure out what "the code" i'm supposed to have is. grepping for 'footnote' turns up zilch in my copy of mp-wp. throw me a bone here?
1542595;1473971404;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 18:01 mircea_popescu: you know you already have the code.
1542596;1473975248;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/15/on-being-alpha-or-not-or-how-statistics-dont-apply-to-individual-cases/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - On being alpha, or not. Or how statistics don’t apply to individual cases.
1542597;1473975503;trinque;Alpha or not, I’m not a stat. And that’s perhaps the most an individual can hope for. << aha. who the fuck cares? now leave me alone.
1542598;1473975547;ben_vulpes;trinque am i beta
1542599;1473975548;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/enlightened-self-interest-and-dishwashing-optimizations << CH - Enlightened Self Interest and Dishwashing Optimizations
1542600;1473975551;ben_vulpes;the anxiety is crippling
1542601;1473975601;trinque;masterbeta
1542602;1473975629;*;ben_vulpes faps
1542603;1473976186;diana_coman;for 1 sec I thought ben_vulpes actually *washes* the dishes ; as in using sponge+washing liquid, no dishwasher
1542604;1473976221;ben_vulpes;while the garburator was tradeable, the dishwasher was not
1542605;1473977080;phf;m'lady
1542606;1473977179;asciilifeform;holy shit, ben_vulpes lived in a flat w/out a garburator even, much less dishwasher?!
1542607;1473977188;asciilifeform;what else was missing...? indoor shitter?
1542608;1473977205;ben_vulpes;previous flat had garburator and dishwasher
1542609;1473977213;ben_vulpes;i have lived in true hovels without
1542610;1473977236;ben_vulpes;when i packed 5 people into a rotting victorian proximate to the eng/art schools
1542611;1473977284;*;phf misses morning cold of dacha outhouse
1542612;1473977302;ben_vulpes;portland no es un pais pobre
1542613;1473977325;ben_vulpes;the particularly annoying thing about this current house is that i don't see a clean way to install the garburator.
1542614;1473977346;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: why not ? sink is right on the floor, or wat
1542615;1473977353;ben_vulpes;electricity
1542616;1473977365;ben_vulpes;would have to spelunk in walls.
1542617;1473977377;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes doesn't own a fishing rod and line ?
1542618;1473977382;phf;probably would have to run one of those stove/fridge lines
1542619;1473977407;asciilifeform;how the hell do you wire anything without 'spelunk in walls' ?
1542620;1473977414;ben_vulpes;could, don't really want to.
1542621;1473977439;asciilifeform;it's why the americans made hollow walls to begin with! simple place to shove the wires.
1542622;1473977450;phf;asciilifeform: walls and wiring is so janky, there's always something sticking out that you can hook too
1542623;1473977456;phf;how else!
1542624;1473977471;asciilifeform;well apparently ben_vulpes landed in a 'clean' one.
1542625;1473977512;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes if you're the sort of fella who buys houses and builds compartments for the dogs and sons and etc. (and you are), buy a fishing set, you won't regret.
1542626;1473977544;asciilifeform;and a laparascope.
1542627;1473977557;asciilifeform;or what do you call'em.
1542628;1473977604;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: probably unclear that i'm still renting.
1542629;1473977611;asciilifeform;even so.
1542630;1473977726;thestringpuller;garburator? is this in sink garbage disposal?
1542631;1473977726;ben_vulpes;fun thing about this house, when i was rewiring the laundry room with sane 220 plugs, i threw the breaker for the laundry room and STILL ZAPPED MYSELF
1542632;1473977744;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lemme guess, crossed hot and neutral
1542633;1473977766;ben_vulpes;just tingles off the housing actually
1542634;1473977776;asciilifeform;no ground stake ?!
1542635;1473977777;ben_vulpes;which shouldn't even be possible if the circuit were disconnected.
1542636;1473977789;ben_vulpes;no, there is a ground stake. i personally caught tingles off the housing though.
1542637;1473977791;asciilifeform;it is only possible if the ground - isn't
1542638;1473977828;ben_vulpes;regardless of the grounding, there should have been no voltage on the thing if it were actually wired into the laundry room breaker
1542639;1473977861;asciilifeform;i dun think i've ever set foot in an american house where the breaker labels had a strong link with reality
1542640;1473977884;asciilifeform;the one i'm posting from now, even had labels that refer to rooms which no longer exist...
1542641;1473977902;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: most contractors are idiots and don't know how to build a fucking house.
1542642;1473977902;asciilifeform;(panel is older than the house in its current shape)
1542643;1473977959;thestringpuller;when our hot water heater went out, we discovered the tank was 50 gallons too small for our house which is why we were always running out of hot water. I srsly doubt any contractor does satisfactory work in any "home improvement" tasks
1542644;1473977994;thestringpuller;they must pay off regulators to pass it off as being "up to code" or something...
1542645;1473978094;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: also wat >> 'drop garbage pickup from once per week to twice per week.'
1542646;1473978114;ben_vulpes;boggling, isn't it
1542647;1473978123;asciilifeform;..month?
1542648;1473978143;ben_vulpes;ah no, once every other week
1542649;1473978144;ben_vulpes;shoot
1542650;1473978173;ben_vulpes;yes. twice per month.
1542651;1473978205;ben_vulpes;fixd ty
1542652;1473978271;phf;correct method is to never trust anything your house says and connect tester/bulb before doing any electric.
1542653;1473978348;phf;and i've been in the vulpes situation, where throwing a breaker would ~dim~ the bulb
1542654;1473978415;phf;can also do traditional su master/apprentice trick of "can you hand me that wire"
1542655;1473978739;phf;in fact, it's best to treat interactions with u.s. infrastructure as a trip to the zone from пикник на обочине (or stalker for en readers), where rules of physics don't apply, nothing is what it seems and you're not guaranteed to come back alive
1542656;1473978936;asciilifeform;^^^
1542657;1473978961;asciilifeform;i still do it in thick rubber gloves, like grandfather did.
1542658;1473979583;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#515 << apparently i didn't include plugins. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/mp-plugins.tar.gz contains footnote and recent comment, which is all trilema uses ; and all i expect you'd ever sanely want, except if you're in that dubious spot where caching makes sense, but not on a deeper level in the stack you might want a caching plugin. altogether dubious, this, for technically apt peo
1542659;1473979584;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-15: [20:30:04] <ben_vulpes> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542439 << so i've done my own digging and asked a few others to dig as well, and i can't figure out what "the code" i'm supposed to have is. grepping for 'footnote' turns up zilch in my copy of mp-wp. throw me a bone here?
1542660;1473979584;mircea_popescu;ple.
1542661;1473979591;mircea_popescu;phf shinohai and who else tracked it
1542662;1473979602;mircea_popescu;an' thanks ben_vulpes for saying something.
1542663;1473979635;ben_vulpes;oooh neato
1542664;1473979743;ben_vulpes;ty mircea_popescu
1542665;1473979758;mircea_popescu;dun mention it.
1542666;1473979766;shinohai;i din have no issues
1542667;1473979771;shinohai;but ben did :/
1542668;1473979780;mircea_popescu;amusingly, the authors are rather competent fellows, at least the footnote dude is still active etc, drop ~him~ a line.
1542669;1473979788;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: pet read your dishwashing treatise with great interest.
1542670;1473979815;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: nifty. any feedback to relay?
1542671;1473979854;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: comment was 'my algo is essentially same, and should look into the scraping tools'
1542672;1473979883;*;mircea_popescu remembers the good old days when girls washed chemlab gear by hand. every day and every night.
1542673;1473979897;ben_vulpes;ah i just realized that i forgot to include a solid three hundred word rant on the evils of nonstick in this context
1542674;1473979906;shinohai;i was lucky my loot was still where i dropped
1542675;1473979919;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: scraping tools are a+, and cost ~2.45 from where linked.
1542676;1473979933;ben_vulpes;the chain mail is moderately more expensive but a /very/ effective replacement for such as steel wool.
1542677;1473979936;ben_vulpes;~never wears.
1542678;1473980044;asciilifeform;in re: other household chores - ben_vulpes, phf, mircea_popescu - when restoring old lappy batteries, what's yer favourite way to cut through ultrasonic welds in the plastic ?
1542679;1473980056;mircea_popescu;i just order more.
1542680;1473980070;asciilifeform;that requires there being more somewhere.
1542681;1473980093;mircea_popescu;i am proud to say i never to this day restored a battery ; and this includes the old days of communist romania, for both car batteries and the 4.5 volt zinc-manganese three-cell assembiles
1542682;1473980119;mircea_popescu;(yeah people kitchen-restored both of those! people tried to run the dacias on toluene, you can't imagine how industrious socialists get.)
1542683;1473980121;asciilifeform;who the fuck restores the latter
1542684;1473980129;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kids.
1542685;1473980129;asciilifeform;same folks who wash condoms ?
1542686;1473980163;asciilifeform;i dunno what kind of kids mircea_popescu knew, but i only destroyed the 4.5v things, not restored.
1542687;1473980167;mircea_popescu;(methods included "put on hot something for a while" and not much else.)
1542688;1473980171;asciilifeform;ah that
1542689;1473980187;asciilifeform;yeah in the last years there was a bit of 'i need a new flat bat' 'there's none'
1542690;1473980207;asciilifeform;we ended up getting that adapter thing, that ate 3 of what today is called 'aa'
1542691;1473980225;mircea_popescu;aha.
1542692;1473980243;asciilifeform;also it was possible to charge (yes) these things, but they tended to catch on fire
1542693;1473980259;mircea_popescu;now let's point out that the categorical differnce you apparently hallucinate midway through this single object ain't there.
1542694;1473980279;asciilifeform;that it had 3 aa's in it? i know this.
1542695;1473980289;asciilifeform;(though early versions, apparently, did not)
1542696;1473980289;mircea_popescu;that who the fuck washes his condoms!
1542697;1473980302;asciilifeform;and yes, henry viii washed his (one) condom.
1542698;1473980340;mod6;heh
1542699;1473980359;mircea_popescu;henry 8 washed nothing evne close to that general area, ever.
1542700;1473980378;asciilifeform;eh i bet he at least emptied it.
1542701;1473980388;asciilifeform;the sheepskin thing.
1542702;1473980388;mircea_popescu;why would a king use condoms.
1542703;1473980397;asciilifeform;syphilis
1542704;1473980431;mircea_popescu;i'm not so up to date on anglotard pretenders. was this the one with a permanent abscess secondary to inguinal hernia that consequently smelled bad and disgusted some euro princess ?
1542705;1473980438;asciilifeform;iirc him.
1542706;1473980452;asciilifeform;that and the church schism.
1542707;1473980489;asciilifeform;also enjoyed a good beheading.
1542708;1473981130;*;mircea_popescu was reading pete d, ended up on "Knowing that on average humans have one testicle and one ovary, what are the odds that this human's left ovary is a testicle ?"
1542709;1473981137;mircea_popescu;good god, how do i come up with this shit.
1542710;1473981282;asciilifeform;http://www.instructables.com/files/orig/FI8/1DGR/G68H9LWM/FI81DGRG68H9LWM.jpg << in other lulz.
1542711;1473981292;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#521 << hey, anxiety is sexy. IN WOMENZ.
1542712;1473981293;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-15: [21:39:10] <ben_vulpes> the anxiety is crippling
1542713;1473981324;mircea_popescu;wtf is that ancient doorstop
1542714;1473981353;asciilifeform;it's a 'gateway handbook'. i have one here.
1542715;1473981359;asciilifeform;about size of a vhs tape.
1542716;1473981385;asciilifeform;they have many uses. one is pictured.
1542717;1473981406;mircea_popescu;very inept job. for the same money could have left the keyboard as a cover.
1542718;1473981411;asciilifeform;aha
1542719;1473981424;mircea_popescu;total hatched job. and wtf is with that junk everywhere.
1542720;1473981428;mircea_popescu;this guy belongs washing dishes.
1542721;1473981459;asciilifeform;anyway this is one of the few pc compats ever made that could run on 4 'aa'.
1542722;1473981468;asciilifeform;and yes.
1542723;1473981550;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#543 << in the sense that sane people place tubes and little boxes in the walls wtf.
1542724;1473981551;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-15: [22:10:50] <phf> asciilifeform: walls and wiring is so janky, there's always something sticking out that you can hook too
1542725;1473981657;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> would have to spelunk in walls. << Nah do it right and bend some fucking conduit.
1542726;1473981690;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if he's in a typical american house, the conduit is solidly drywalled ~into~ the wall.
1542727;1473981720;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#564 << which is why i love them. you sign contract, then you sign their faults report, w/e you call it. then they call you as if this is literally the first time this happened (because... it is) and try to pretend like they're geting paid. you explain that they are not getting dime one ; and that if they do not remedy like - right now, they are not getting sued because contractor comes with
1542728;1473981721;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-15: [22:19:19] <thestringpuller> when our hot water heater went out, we discovered the tank was 50 gallons too small for our house which is why we were always running out of hot water. I srsly doubt any contractor does satisfactory work in any "home improvement" tasks
1542729;1473981721;mircea_popescu; contract and contract comes with liquidated damages.
1542730;1473981758;mircea_popescu;at which point they throw fit ; you hang up ; they finally pay someone to read contract ; come back all seethingly angry but trying to hide it and explain how inconvenient it is to them. you... amuse yourself with it as best you can.
1542731;1473981773;mircea_popescu;usually they end up paying you so they get to maintain the social pretense of being contractors.
1542732;1473981778;mircea_popescu;which is as it should be.
1542733;1473981791;*;mircea_popescu loves children pretending to be adults.
1542734;1473982445;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you know, no cooking process is allowed to smoke. if there's smoke coming out she is doing something wrong. generally overheating the oil.
1542735;1473982546;mircea_popescu;holy shit what ?! "compost buckets" ? are you fucking kidding me ?
1542736;1473982651;mircea_popescu;here we sit wondering about "garburators", which i dun have, and dun particularly want ; meanwhile he sits around with roach nests deliberately placed in the house, something the soviets cca 1966 wouldn't have allowed.
1542737;1473983169;*;mircea_popescu advises ben_vulpes to buy uv lamp + CTC supply and nightly hunt for eg salmonella in this set-up. like regular food plant.
1542738;1473983452;*;mircea_popescu also never uses and doesn't like the machine dishwashers. they miss spots ; competent woman can do much better job much faster ; get her gloves, teach her how to etc.
1542739;1473983707;ben_vulpes;nah, i moved out of portland to escape the countertop digester
1542740;1473983716;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: ^^
1542741;1473983726;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1542742;1473983727;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: pan-searing steaks can make a bit of smoke
1542743;1473983747;ben_vulpes;otherwise smoke not *really* a problem, just, can get cloudy.
1542744;1473983768;mircea_popescu;aanyway. you should see the piles produced in a dirigible. we occasionally (in full formation, chef + sous chef + 2-3 helpers) manage to dirty every dish in the house.
1542745;1473983778;mircea_popescu;that's hundreds of items.
1542746;1473983797;*;mircea_popescu could run a restaurant and not even notice.
1542747;1473983807;ben_vulpes;i should indeed see the * produced in dirigible
1542748;1473983865;mircea_popescu;i dun think cake was ever made in less than 5kg installments for eg.
1542749;1473983976;mircea_popescu;anyway ; i will propose that the large kitchen is a fundamental part in the happiness and sane social insertion of young women ; that even poor places in orcland implement it as more essential sociocultural component than, eg, men's mechanicizing garage ; that all effort should be directed at having one above all else.
1542750;1473984004;mircea_popescu;there's a lot there.
1542751;1473984080;mircea_popescu;this "monogamous relationship living in block of flats with 50 sqft kitchen" thing is nonsense in ways the victims don't even grasp.
1542752;1473984571;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if he's in a typical american house, the conduit is solidly drywalled ~into~ the wall. << But he can run new conduit from box along the ceiling anchored to outside of wall
1542753;1473984672;mircea_popescu;ahgahaha!
1542754;1473984679;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en Пиздануться... - возразил Учитель Рапришнш-вутра.
1542755;1473984680;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Pizdanutsya ... - said the teacher Raprishnsh-vutra.
1542756;1473984691;mircea_popescu;pizdanutsya is right.
1542757;1473984805;BingoBoingo;When "residential" wiring standards fail needs best to add new wires to commercial standards and just learn to bend conduit.
1542758;1473985201;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1542759;1473985208;mircea_popescu;!~translate ru to en который шел по улице весело распевая песню: Хари Кришна, хари Рама, хари Смехопанорама!
1542760;1473985211;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: who was walking along the street singing fun songs: Hari Krishna, Hari Ram, Hari Smehopanorama!
1542761;1473985225;mircea_popescu;hare smenopanorama! this shit's epic.
1542762;1473985227;mircea_popescu;thanks phf
1542763;1473985281;mircea_popescu;o wait, it's an actual show ? aww.
1542764;1473987457;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542736 << it is a device that sits in sink trap and grinds down objects therein
1542765;1473987457;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 23:37 mircea_popescu: here we sit wondering about "garburators", which i dun have, and dun particularly want ; meanwhile he sits around with roach nests deliberately placed in the house, something the soviets cca 1966 wouldn't have allowed.
1542766;1473987474;asciilifeform;aka 'garbage disposal'
1542767;1473987494;asciilifeform;one can get them even for toilets here.
1542768;1473987520;asciilifeform;(now, as to ~why~ in the latter case, i do not know)
1542769;1473987600;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-15#1542749 << my current kitchen approaches size of my entire old flat
1542770;1473987600;a111;Logged on 2016-09-15 23:59 mircea_popescu: anyway ; i will propose that the large kitchen is a fundamental part in the happiness and sane social insertion of young women ; that even poor places in orcland implement it as more essential sociocultural component than, eg, men's mechanicizing garage ; that all effort should be directed at having one above all else.
1542771;1473987608;asciilifeform;and yes, it makes a diff.
1542772;1473987640;asciilifeform;even with minimal crew, of 1...
1542773;1473992304;mircea_popescu;yeh
1542774;1473992330;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta start having the young'uns over to learn how to cook and things.
1542775;1473992441;asciilifeform;... the who?
1542776;1473992493;mircea_popescu;they have no young where you live ?
1542777;1473992533;asciilifeform;none that i can tolerate the company of for >10min or so
1542778;1473992551;mircea_popescu;and the reason for this being, evidently, that they didn't get kitchen-socialized in due time.
1542779;1473992552;asciilifeform;(at least not above low ppm concentration)
1542780;1473992629;asciilifeform;i've nfi why, maybe lead poisoning, or shitburgers, or wriggley chewing gum.
1542781;1473992641;asciilifeform;or small kitchens.
1542782;1473992655;mircea_popescu;small kitchens.
1542783;1473994723;phf;i used to think hanging out in the kitchen is exclusively su thing (i know i know), but iranians do the same thing. and the pattern is exactly the same, everyone's drinking tea, and then somebody will just break out a skillet and make omelette or whatever, "of course for everyone in the room"
1542784;1473994855;phf;current place has a decent sized kitchen, it's one of those arrangements where kitchen is part of living room, but it's almost comical how badly it's designed. nobody who's participated in the design of that kitchen has ever cooked anything in their entire lives.
1542785;1473994935;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (now, as to ~why~ in the latter case, i do not know) << Usually because people now "finish" basements in new construction placing a toilet below sewer line. Grinder is so turds can be pumped up to sewer line.
1542786;1473994957;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-16#1542754 << i was trying to translate dao-kakao and realized that it's impossible, since there's no equivalent of мат in english language. fuck, cunt, dick, grunt
1542787;1473994957;a111;Logged on 2016-09-16 00:11 mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Пиздануться... - возразил Учитель Рапришнш-вутра.
1542788;1473995019;shinohai;!!key diana_coman
1542789;1473995022;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7xmux/?raw=true
1542790;1473996762;shinohai;!!key pete_dushenski
1542791;1473996764;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/m21jl/?raw=true
1542792;1473997753;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/autopilot-provider-dumps-elon-musk-tesla/ << Qntra - "Autopilot" Provider Dumps Elon Musk, Tesla
1542793;1474000201;BingoBoingo;"member berries"
1542794;1474000616;BingoBoingo;I am astounded at that wordplay
1542795;1474002386;mircea_popescu;phf back in her younger days chet held open kitchen for the girls of the neighbourhood + some foster kids ; because she could cook, and wasn't an idiot - which was more than could be said about the respective girls' mothers/grandmothers.
1542796;1474002403;mircea_popescu;the list of things modern derp doesn't realise could do because never had opportunity to find out is long indeed.
1542797;1474002561;mircea_popescu;phf "for a thousand dollars i make my own hole". who cares what exists in english ? MAKE it. Pizdanutsya = cuntilized or w/e.
1542798;1474029739;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, if one googles for argentina's writer's union, the only result is BOXING writers union. that's it.
1542799;1474029754;mircea_popescu;they got borges, and that's good enough. what if he's president for life of an item that doesn't exist.
1542800;1474029800;mircea_popescu;"President of the Argentine Society of Writers and as Professor of English and American Literature at the Argentine Association of English Culture"
1542801;1474029803;mircea_popescu;now find these things.
1542802;1474029929;mircea_popescu;the entire western canon, 1966-2016, is a fabrication. the entire fucking thing. not "global warming" or "smoking kills" or "rape on campuses" or "barack obama, scholar" or whatnot other pinpoint nonsensical "movements". not even "environmentalism" or "feminism" or you know, "war on" this or that.
1542803;1474029938;mircea_popescu;no. the ENTIRE FUCKING THING. all of it.
1542804;1474030045;mircea_popescu;condolezza rice was literate, carly fiorina was an exemplary woman, blablabla in the exact same sense elliot rodgers was a supreme gentleman "descended of aristocracy".
1542805;1474030342;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/alibaba-clamps-down-on-internal-theft/ << Qntra - Alibaba Clamps Down On Internal Theft
1542806;1474030416;shinohai;And so that is the end of Alibaba and the 40 thieves.
1542807;1474030493;BingoBoingo;shinohai: off by factor of ten
1542808;1474030596;shinohai;*Alibaba and the 4 moon-thieves
1542809;1474030821;mircea_popescu;heh
1542810;1474030853;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants cake bad enough to steal it
1542811;1474030863;*;mircea_popescu shudders at the hamplanet problem china is prolly hatching
1542812;1474030933;BingoBoingo;lol, anyways apparently southpark season 20 started this week. I am still lolling at their "member berries" wordplay
1542813;1474030990;shinohai;!~later tell mod6 You might appreciate: https://twitter.com/ECorpCEO/status/776519710259019777
1542814;1474030990;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1542815;1474031070;mircea_popescu;shinohai i can't help but notice the fascination with this mysterios ceo figure in the usg.pinoy dept.
1542816;1474031256;shinohai;Pop culture poisoning
1542817;1474031327;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's supposed to be "funny" ; the only problem being that cancerous fags can't possibly be funny. not no matter how hard they try ; not just because they try too hard.
1542818;1474031916;BingoBoingo;But funny things can happen to them. Like when the token trophy Muslim Hillary advisor got cucked by her man's sexts to all the twitter pr0n spammers.
1542819;1474032219;BingoBoingo;brb
1542820;1474035622;mircea_popescu;tru.
1542821;1474035841;mod6;morning Gentlemen.
1542822;1474035887;mod6;<+shinohai> !~later tell mod6 You might appreciate: https://twitter.com/ECorpCEO/status/776519710259019777 << lol! did you see the latest one?
1542823;1474035894;mod6;I watched it lastnight, was lmao.
1542824;1474035920;shinohai;I haven't watched it yet :/
1542825;1474035925;shinohai;saw the clips
1542826;1474035982;mod6;ah, werd.
1542827;1474036001;mod6;hahah, i wont spoil the choice quotes for anyone.
1542828;1474036008;shinohai;its saved on dvr tho
1542829;1474036019;shinohai;so when i get time to watch
1542830;1474036040;thestringpuller;mod6 is the real life mr. robot
1542831;1474036072;shinohai;something like that. he is involved with fsociety surely
1542832;1474036083;mod6;lol, except i hate python
1542833;1474036099;shinohai;it's a pain in the ass
1542834;1474036121;mircea_popescu;maybe that's just what you want us to think.
1542835;1474036150;mod6;thestringpuller: saw your blog post btw yesterday.  yeeaaaaaaaah.
1542836;1474036216;*;shinohai curses eulora for consuming his entire day yesterday
1542837;1474036237;mod6;it's great isn't it?
1542838;1474036269;shinohai;yup
1542839;1474036270;mircea_popescu;lmao
1542840;1474036289;mircea_popescu;shinohai you know once you get half decent at the metagame you don't have to baby it. i spend about 10-20 minutes a day changing bot diapers is all.
1542841;1474036300;mircea_popescu;but of course to get there gotta put some study in to climb teh curve.
1542842;1474036316;*;mircea_popescu looks
1542843;1474036319;shinohai;as I said, the game plays you
1542844;1474036357;mircea_popescu;443 + 44 flotsam, 120+6 spicy moss ; 112 + 142 boulders, bout a hundred wpl, cr, some dcs, wwb etc. since ~this time yest.
1542845;1474036421;shinohai;danielpbarron would be proud of me going all the way back and dragging table with loot in penance
1542846;1474036616;mircea_popescu;which incidentally... it really makes me chuckle at the predicament of "AAA" studios. so first, they make a broken game (broken here defined as, not-neutral state-evolution-graph) ; because their game is broken, they have to forbid bots - not just in form, but in practice. then if they don't manage to forbid them too efficiently they die everquest/diablo 3 style, inflation. but if they do manage to forbid them, they die like
1542847;1474036616;mircea_popescu;wow / eve / etc : people go through the early game, master it, then can't move on to the logical next phase so they just quit. so now AAA studio is forced to salvage broken game that broke their playerbase through... oh shit, incentives. ie, inflation, ie, "we'll give you free level 60 characters". because guess what, the inflation was actually better than death, and their success at doing what they wanted to do (prevent bots
1542848;1474036617;mircea_popescu;!), inasmuch as they wanted to something stupid, turns out to be contrary to what they... ~actually~ wanted to do.
1542849;1474036658;mircea_popescu;yet somehow this inept cycle of self-effacement does NOT enlighten their stupid heads that yo! what we thought was the problem couldn't have possibly been the problem, seeing how the better we fix it, the worse things get! and then we have to circumvolutedly revert the very fix!
1542850;1474036687;mircea_popescu;not to mention that what we thought is the goal can't possibly be the goal! so how about we stop with the shit and do things right.
1542851;1474036723;mircea_popescu;but oh, no, none of that. thousands of derps all "know", in the sense of being wrong in the same way ; and borges is President of the Argentine Society of Writers.
1542852;1474036794;diana_coman;shinohai> danielpbarron would be proud of me going all the way back and dragging table with loot in penance <- wait, did you do it *manually*?
1542853;1474036829;shinohai;yeah because i forgot the proper way the first time :/
1542854;1474036837;mircea_popescu;lmao
1542855;1474036844;diana_coman;loool, well deserved penance indeed then
1542856;1474036844;diana_coman;:p
1542857;1474036854;mircea_popescu;btw shinohai you wanna dig up a buncha ords for me ? or did you level building already ?
1542858;1474036857;shinohai;i go *all the way back* and thankfully loot is still floating in the air
1542859;1474036888;shinohai;yeah mircea_popescu when i get client fired up we'll chat
1542860;1474036901;mircea_popescu;kk
1542861;1474038620;mircea_popescu;shinohai also, you got that bridge bot going right ? iirc that was a mn ecu for you ?
1542862;1474038654;shinohai;not yet, it is too crude to run
1542863;1474038656;shinohai;:(
1542864;1474038695;shinohai;i have been so focused on getting controls to behave lol
1542865;1474038710;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1542866;1474040366;asciilifeform;in other lelz, http://www.theonion.com/article/disillusioned-hacker-starting-to-feel-like-he-has--53953
1542867;1474043498;mircea_popescu;lol
1542868;1474043509;mircea_popescu;good thing they're not using paper ballots.
1542869;1474043537;asciilifeform;yeah they used to have to pay folks to get on buses and stuff the boxez
1542870;1474043548;asciilifeform;whereas now - not.
1542871;1474043563;mircea_popescu;yeah, but in soviet russia.
1542872;1474044332;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/JNekz << in yet other lulz.
1542873;1474044350;asciilifeform;'The long-planned participatory (shall we say) sculpture by the Italian artist Maurizio Cattelan — a fully functional, solid 18-karat-gold copy of a Kohler toilet, an over-the-top apotheosis of wealth — was installed in the humble restroom on the fifth-floor ramp of the Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum late last week and will be open for business to anyone with the urge on Friday...'
1542874;1474044376;asciilifeform;coming next, surely, public atomic dirigible rides!1111
1542875;1474044828;trinque;the piece is called "America"
1542876;1474044833;*;trinque lols
1542877;1474045586;asciilifeform;http://www.mignews.info/dlazhnik-razrushi-ipotekiranata-si-kashta-i-ya-stovari-pred-bankata << moar lelz. fella owed mortgage on house, but not land. foreclosed, so returned house to bank. without land. using excavator.
1542878;1474045659;asciilifeform;(bulgaria, if it isn't obvious)
1542879;1474048002;mircea_popescu;i dunno man... at ~1k usd / cc... a toilet's pretty bulky.
1542880;1474048022;asciilifeform;eh betcha it's gilged.
1542881;1474048033;mircea_popescu;says solid 18k
1542882;1474048092;asciilifeform;says buncha things.
1542883;1474048095;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes, gold is very dense. a coffee mug full of gold is easily 2x the yearly income of the mug's owner
1542884;1474048121;ben_vulpes;in other strange, my trb node is currently sitting on 9756 VIRT, and has an entire core completely pegged.
1542885;1474048135;mircea_popescu;mb ?!
1542886;1474048143;ben_vulpes;aha
1542887;1474048145;asciilifeform;we all have materials table on the wall, just as mircea_popescu
1542888;1474048162;mircea_popescu;not all, alfie.
1542889;1474048178;peterl;some of us have it in our head instead of on wall
1542890;1474048182;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes can you looksee what's allocated ?
1542891;1474048268;ben_vulpes;lessee here
1542892;1474048329;mircea_popescu;and in other "i'm just dumping links for bots to archive" news, http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-09-16.log.html#t17:44:03
1542893;1474048380;ben_vulpes;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/t88xc/?raw=true << liek dis?
1542894;1474048387;peterl;maybe someday I write script to dig through logs and archive shit
1542895;1474048416;mircea_popescu;00007fd9b506c000 5972292K rwx--   [ anon ] << what's in there ?
1542896;1474048437;mircea_popescu;the rest is ~more or less normal.
1542897;1474048449;ben_vulpes;how do i look inside that?
1542898;1474048483;ben_vulpes;this is a dark and unfamiliar corner of linux to me
1542899;1474048521;mircea_popescu;well, gdb should let you see it. the prefix there is the address
1542900;1474048535;mircea_popescu;maybe look in /prof
1542901;1474048538;mircea_popescu; /proc*
1542902;1474048585;ben_vulpes;kk
1542903;1474048591;mircea_popescu;generally you should be able to open /proc/pid/mem as a normal unix file.
1542904;1474048591;*;ben_vulpes back in 5, disembarking train
1542905;1474048718;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: what happened to actually instrumenting with valgrind etc, as i described in agonizing detail on the ml last year ? the linux footprint thing is not very useful.
1542906;1474048968;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i'd have to restart the process to get data out of valgrind, right?
1542907;1474048980;asciilifeform;yes
1542908;1474049001;asciilifeform;there was another instrumenter that compiled in, and worked in real time, see june/july '15 ml
1542909;1474049082;mircea_popescu;^
1542910;1474049129;ben_vulpes;well compiled in, i still hafta restart the process
1542911;1474049151;asciilifeform;no
1542912;1474049152;ben_vulpes;curious to see what's in there while it's live.
1542913;1474049156;asciilifeform;that was whole point !
1542914;1474049159;ben_vulpes;o.O
1542915;1474049159;asciilifeform;that you don't have to
1542916;1474049164;ben_vulpes;what means "compiled in" then?!
1542917;1474049167;ben_vulpes;nevermind.
1542918;1474049227;ben_vulpes;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << not this?
1542919;1474049318;asciilifeform;nope.
1542920;1474049367;trinque;lol
1542921;1474049382;trinque;ben_vulpes: go back in time and compile in the instrumenter before this happened!
1542922;1474049415;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000095.html
1542923;1474049503;ben_vulpes;ah
1542924;1474049652;ben_vulpes;yaok i'll accept that the engine room needs a new dial.
1542925;1474049888;mircea_popescu;in the sad story of exactly this, the first time i ran new eulora client, it crashed. i've bee nrunning it in gdb ever since, has not crashed since. 5 weeks!
1542926;1474049905;mircea_popescu;i'll give up and run it plain one day, at which point...
1542927;1474050302;ben_vulpes;memory use aside, is the 100% cpu use symptomatic of blackholing, asciilifeform ?
1542928;1474050439;asciilifeform;no, it is symptomatic of block verifying
1542929;1474050448;asciilifeform;if it's grinding a block, it'll peg at 100.
1542930;1474050465;asciilifeform;(and though the algo is infinitely parallelizable, it has 0 parallelism as implemented by the idiot)
1542931;1474050497;ben_vulpes;right, k. and when it's verifying a block, does it typically go entirely unresponsive to rpc commands?
1542932;1474050529;asciilifeform;absolutely.
1542933;1474050538;ben_vulpes;mhhhhm.
1542934;1474050592;ben_vulpes;this *should* be a transient affair though wtf
1542935;1474050642;asciilifeform;not if you're 7 yrs out of sync
1542936;1474050666;asciilifeform;you gotta understand the sheer imbecility of the thing
1542937;1474050674;ben_vulpes;ya well that is categorically not the case for this node.
1542938;1474050674;asciilifeform;it is barely fathomable.
1542939;1474050689;ben_vulpes;until ~last night the thing was tracking the chain tip like a bloodhound.
1542940;1474050695;asciilifeform;what's the log look like ?
1542941;1474050827;ben_vulpes;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a4tis/?raw=true
1542942;1474050885;ben_vulpes;oh that's lulzeriffic, the processblock log lines don't get timestamped?
1542943;1474050942;ben_vulpes;log is 72619592 lines long, last accepted block was at 72529974
1542944;1474051052;*;ben_vulpes off, will resume later
1542945;1474051604;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the native logging of prb are fascinatingly bad.
1542946;1474051611;mircea_popescu;kinda why ~nobody actually uses it as is
1542947;1474052578;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-tradebot-spec/ << Trilema - Eulora tradebot spec
1542948;1474052837;phf;`card.freenode.net * a111 "Nick/channel is temporarily unavailable"` well then...
1542949;1474052926;mircea_popescu;phf gotta ghost it
1542950;1474052937;mircea_popescu;and in other news, hot damn it's great watching girls work out.
1542951;1474052944;phf;+1
1542952;1474052949;mircea_popescu;best enjoyed with a sammich, after you're done watching girls do dishes.
1542953;1474052956;mod6;nice.
1542954;1474052983;mircea_popescu;i think it shall be called a watcharium from now on. wtf "harem" bs.
1542955;1474052993;mircea_popescu;panopticunt.
1542956;1474053000;asciilifeform;i thought it was a do-arium, while owner's cock works
1542957;1474053006;asciilifeform;and watcharium when he's old
1542958;1474053016;mircea_popescu;well alf... i guess i'm old.
1542959;1474053028;asciilifeform;ain't nothing wrong with being old, other than the obvious minuses
1542960;1474053049;mircea_popescu;"eh... we fucked yesterday."
1542961;1474053052;mod6;you can't fuck 100% of the time.  there's some division there.  like 70% watch, 30% fuck.
1542962;1474053063;mircea_popescu;mod6 yes, but that's per girl ;/
1542963;1474053070;mod6;:D
1542964;1474053093;mod6;hey, some division, some multipication.
1542965;1474053162;mircea_popescu;word.
1542966;1474053284;phf;right, but apparently normally this comes in as a err_nicknameinuse message, now it's err_unavailableresources
1542967;1474053307;phf;there are more things in heaven and earth, horatio
1542968;1474053520;phf;by the end of this exercise we're going to all have the total sum of all the hacks that are in eggdrop, indepedently rediscovered
1542969;1474053530;*;trinque sighs
1542970;1474053533;mircea_popescu;windows style error handling is, "whatever error we recieve reboot"
1542971;1474053553;trinque;I do that, sadly.
1542972;1474053563;trinque;but doesn't help if there are myriad cases one must use ghost
1542973;1474053571;trinque;could I suppose just aggressively ghost each time
1542974;1474053590;mircea_popescu;in other news, cockroaches are more robust than women ; especially in radiation contaminated areals.
1542975;1474053593;mircea_popescu;so fuck cockroaches.
1542976;1474053648;phf;usg science suggests solution, make cockroach sized penises
1542977;1474053676;mircea_popescu;"how do you fuck a chicken ?" "wrap it in duct tape" "and how do you fuck a cockroach ?" "wrap it in duct tape and fuck it with usg scientific penis."
1542978;1474053689;mod6;heheh
1542979;1474054079;phf;-NickServ- a111 is not online.
1542980;1474054093;phf;//nick a111
1542981;1474054097;phf;*** Nickname a111 is temporarily unavailable, trying a111`
1542982;1474054855;phf;(i'm using this "fuck you phf, love freenode" to upgrade the btcbase instance, so site is down for half hour or so)
1542983;1474055133;asciilifeform;in other 'news', heathen 'rng design' folk write what aaaaaalmost looked like good intro to subj, https://forum.stanford.edu/events/2016/slides/iot/Ben.pdf , until the mindfuck 'Want to keep generating entropy bits without needing to keep powering the HWRNG Use HWRNG to seed a PRNG (AES counter mode)...'
1542984;1474055174;pete_dushenski;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#629 << 'what are the odds that this human's left tit is a hairy enough to shade the sahara?'
1542985;1474055174;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-15: [23:12:10] * mircea_popescu was reading pete d, ended up on "Knowing that on average humans have one testicle and one ovary, what are the odds that this human's left ovary is a testicle ?"
1542986;1474055195;phf;site's up, bot's up, a111 nick is still unobtainable
1542987;1474055227;mircea_popescu;
ACTION just found out that phillips and torx heads respectively aren't mere "let's arbitrarily change standards to try and extract spurious rents via alleged intellectual property" ; but in fact have proper reasons to exist. a) phillips head is self-centering ; which is to say driver does not slip out of screw being driven. this was major advantage in early automotive work. torx does not cam out ; which was major advantage in 
1542988;1474055236;pete_dushenski;'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors to the North call them,' << l0l! love the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never.
1542989;1474055285;mircea_popescu;is "garburator" supposed to be "garbage carburator" ? because that may be the lamest corporate attempt at humour to date.
1542990;1474055298;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: folk name
1542991;1474055309;mircea_popescu;that doesn't make it right.
1542992;1474055310;pete_dushenski;'but eventually relented and traded the garburator for a hood over the stove,' << current place... doesn't have range hood. smoky ? smelly ? open the windows and patio doors and get a cross-breeze going
1542993;1474055312;asciilifeform;and they're a household thing, made by 1,001 chinese whatevers.
1542994;1474055423;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we definitely had thread re: 'torx'
1542995;1474055438;mircea_popescu;!~search torx
1542996;1474055439;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: There were no matching configuration variables.
1542997;1474055444;mircea_popescu;!#search torx
1542998;1474055451;mircea_popescu;!#s torx
1542999;1474055458;mircea_popescu;ah it's not voiced hm.
1543000;1474055461;mircea_popescu;!!up a112
1543001;1474055461;deedbot;a112 voiced for 30 minutes.
1543002;1474055463;mircea_popescu;!#s torx
1543003;1474055465;a112;13 results for "torx", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=torx
1543004;1474055478;asciilifeform;well yes but he's off
1543005;1474055485;phf;in other news apparently the command is "nickserv release"
1543006;1474055509;mircea_popescu;release only works half the time.
1543007;1474055514;mircea_popescu;also site is timing out
1543008;1474055545;phf;yeah, i decided to touch the server and now everything's broken
1543009;1474055573;asciilifeform;anyway the description given is off, phillips screw was used precisely because it slips when torqued up. 'torx' and similar - do not. they were introduced when dynamometer (torque wrench) became standard at conveyor.
1543010;1474055592;asciilifeform;and the 'poor man's dynamometer' of phillips screw - no longer essential
1543011;1474055598;mircea_popescu;aha.
1543012;1474055608;mircea_popescu;phillips doesn't slip ; torx doesn't cam out
1543013;1474055619;phf;in case anyone thinks that commercial lisp vendors are any good, i'm getting completely random failed to allocate errors on lispworks
1543014;1474055635;mircea_popescu;we didn't really think so, no.
1543015;1474055652;asciilifeform;phf: you went straight there from cmucl ?
1543016;1474055677;asciilifeform;and incidentally if it's the crippleware version it will fail to allocate when you reach the cripplement limit
1543017;1474055745;phf;nah, professional, i have a license from elsewhere, that i'm .. evaluating
1543018;1474055755;mircea_popescu;how much is it ?
1543019;1474055772;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: i always thought 'garburator' was more of a garbage-purolator : a machine for mailing garbage as far away as possible
1543020;1474055794;phf;a professional single os/cpu version is $1300
1543021;1474055811;mircea_popescu;oh, so you mean enough to pay for a dedicated server running lamp for a whole year ?
1543022;1474055885;phf;there was this idea in the naggum emails that all the problems go away once you stop being cheap and pay for a real lisp. maybe that was the case in 2001 when he wrote it, but in practice it turns out to not be so
1543023;1474055899;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it costs about two or three days of the programmer.
1543024;1474055900;mircea_popescu;i do not believe it was the case 15 years ago either.
1543025;1474055913;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: based on what ? magic 8ball ?
1543026;1474055918;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun see anyone here (other than me, but w/e) ever spend time debugging apache etc.
1543027;1474055944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform based on exactly this type of interaction with exactly this type of fellow, back then.
1543028;1474055949;pete_dushenski;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160915/#334 << looks like contravex uses the same footnote plugin as trilema, so you should be good to go
1543029;1474055951;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-15: [17:37:23] <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, pete_dushenski: recommendations for wp footnote plugin? footnotes-in-footnotes would be a grand feature if any can do that and it's not a mp-wp-footnotes custom job
1543030;1474055986;*;asciilifeform tried allegro and lispworks in '09, was not esp. happy.
1543031;1474056008;mircea_popescu;09 is not 01.
1543032;1474056045;asciilifeform;phf: is there a reason you're allergic to sbcl and will try even payware before it ?
1543033;1474056056;phf;yes, it's in logs
1543034;1474056062;asciilifeform;the interpreter ?
1543035;1474056088;asciilifeform;it is only needed for debug... why not deploy on a lisp that actually WORKS?
1543036;1474056143;pete_dushenski;'EVERYTHING MUST GO IN THE DISHWASHER AND THAT MUST BE FINE.' << chez moi i throw everything in the dishwasher, which i then run when full and empty thereafter, while the girl does this 'wash by hand as you go and air dry on the rack' thing for reasons i don't fully comprehend.
1543037;1474056206;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform iirc you deployed the only thing known on python which worked ; and serve via apache ?
1543038;1474056238;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worse
1543039;1474056262;asciilifeform;http server thing in python, with apache for statics (pictures etc)
1543040;1474056270;mircea_popescu;is what i said neh ?
1543041;1474056284;asciilifeform;yes but mircea_popescu's picture was charitable.
1543042;1474056285;phf;asciilifeform: well, fwiw i used sbcl for years and was running in increasingly larger number of problems. just small annoyances. when i tried interacting with sbcl "community" it turned out to be the usual suspects, google employees, gender pronounced. i have the same antipathy to sbcl as you to llvm
1543043;1474056299;trinque;sbcl has been taken over from the original guy
1543044;1474056301;asciilifeform;phf: i can easily believe this. fwiw my copy is ancient.
1543045;1474056308;asciilifeform;perhaps i ought to nail it to a board and post.
1543046;1474056318;mircea_popescu;not to necessarily discourage the eager from using lisp or anything else. by all means. but certainly to discourage an unrealistic view of performance etc.
1543047;1474056323;phf;sbcl last time i checked was entirely developed by google
1543048;1474056327;trinque;one of them at least is a complete idiot who told me in #sbcl that gpg signing was pointless because "somebody could just pay me to sign something malicious"
1543049;1474056335;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1543050;1474056341;mircea_popescu;trinque please with name.
1543051;1474056344;asciilifeform;^
1543052;1474056345;*;trinque looks
1543053;1474056384;mircea_popescu;this is how they think, you know ? and while not conscious, because celenterates, nevertheless effectual. because a large collection of betas will naturally fall on solutions to the problems of betas.
1543054;1474056388;mircea_popescu;much like bacteria manage.
1543055;1474056390;phf;anyway, first version of btcbase was written in python, and ran for a year as a proxy to znc with a synchronizer to kako. basically exactly what Framedragger has right now
1543056;1474056420;phf;i'm pretty sure i've not had to touch it once
1543057;1474056439;mircea_popescu;i only have to go in there when someone "upgrades" something.
1543058;1474056442;mircea_popescu;fucking idiot kids.
1543059;1474056497;asciilifeform;phf: ever try ccl ?
1543060;1474056561;phf;but the rewrite happened for two reasons, one is that i wanted to do interesting analysis on entire corpus (which is something python will strugle with) and that tmsr canon called for technology ownership. cmucl seems like a reasonable stack to own, considering that it's abandonware. fwiw it benchmarks faster than either sbcl (by fraction) or lispworks (by a huge margin, wtf now) on doing bit twiddling like the search that we do
1543061;1474056578;mircea_popescu;well yeah, but you gotta own it.
1543062;1474056579;asciilifeform;phf: http://ccl.clozure.com
1543063;1474056594;mircea_popescu;you know, 5yo me came home one day, asked mom if "fried cow is good to eat".
1543064;1474056603;mircea_popescu;because 5yo me had observed some cows, and figured... what the hell!
1543065;1474056603;phf;:>
1543066;1474056665;phf;i've used cmucl in the past, like 10 years ago, and still have most of my lisp code for it/in it. than i switched to ccl and deployed few things commercially with it. the only lisp i've never explicitly worked with except toying around is sbcl
1543067;1474056839;trinque;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/k21rs/?raw=true << guy's very active >> https://sourceforge.net/u/stassats/profile/
1543068;1474056869;mircea_popescu;maybe somebody's paying him!
1543069;1474056935;trinque;nameless bastards, afraid of signing their works.
1543070;1474056936;mircea_popescu;BUT THE SIXTH CASTLE STAYED UP!
1543071;1474056938;trinque;ahaha
1543072;1474056944;phf;ffs
1543073;1474056954;phf;that's it, i'm retiring. to elba
1543074;1474056970;mircea_popescu;!~google baterii elba
1543075;1474056971;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: ELBA , de la sursa bateriilor pentru lanterne în comunism la corpuri ...: <http://www.mediafax.ro/social/elba-de-la-sursa-bateriilor-pentru-lanterne-in-comunism-la-corpuri-de-iluminat-si-faruri-pentru-masini-fabrica-salvata-de-venirea-renault-la-dacia-galerie-foto-10706053>; Baterii elba - Cumpara cu incredere de pe Okazii.ro.: <https://www.okazii.ro/cautare/baterii%2Belba.html>; Amintiri din Epoca de (1 more message)
1543076;1474057019;phf;from now on i'm working on mp-wp, full time, a shell of a man. you can point newcomers at an old shambling figure, "that's phf. he's tending our flower bed"
1543077;1474057051;mircea_popescu;this cult is turning into a cocoa of a monastery.
1543078;1474057094;trinque;phf: offer stands for me to be your court jew of sbcl-ing
1543079;1474057250;mircea_popescu;anyway, more productively : an actually working lisp environment isn't a bad idea ; but premature today imo.
1543080;1474057277;mircea_popescu;the way to owning technologies is ; by picking technologies to own that are small enough on the way there. much like the way to eat a whale is by eating earthworms while frogsized.
1543081;1474057332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is sorta why i came upon the notion of resurrecting 'tinyscheme'
1543082;1474057357;asciilifeform;but it is quite certainly a frog
1543083;1474057362;mircea_popescu;this method seems wasteful ; from experience it actually delivers. the more direct, intuitive approach not only always fails, but predictably so, which is why it's such a great ally of statu quo.
1543084;1474057365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1543085;1474057376;asciilifeform;the thing is, it's a frog, but a standardized frog.
1543086;1474057383;asciilifeform;as in, there is a very pedantic test suite.
1543087;1474057385;phf;i probably wrote most code for tbr/shiva, and it was an exercise in rewriting common lisp from scratch
1543088;1474057391;asciilifeform;yes i recall this.
1543089;1474057397;asciilifeform;phf did some very fine work with it.
1543090;1474057415;asciilifeform;and any work with scheme will inevitably have the flavour of 'recreating common lisp from scratch.'
1543091;1474057430;mircea_popescu;"most lisps today are buggy half working implementations" or how did the quote go.
1543092;1474057442;asciilifeform;'most large programs'
1543093;1474057448;mircea_popescu;not that part.
1543094;1474057487;mircea_popescu;ok, this is almost as fun to watch as girls doing butt lifts.
1543095;1474057514;mircea_popescu;!~google irc bot in php
1543096;1474057515;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: WildPHP: A PHP IRC Bot: <https://wildphp.com/>; Simple PHP IRC Bot Script - A PHP IRC Bot - WildPHP: <https://wildphp.com/simple-irc-bot>; Top Tutorials - A PHP IRC Bot - WildPHP: <https://wildphp.com/tutorials>
1543097;1474057749;asciilifeform;'2016-08-31 19:52:29	Xof	the copy of my key that was on sourceforge had an error in it ever since it was uploaded'
1543098;1474057759;asciilifeform;'2016-08-31 19:52:31	stassats	frankly, i don't believe in the web of trust, you can only know who uploaded
1543099;1474057759;asciilifeform;2016-08-31 19:52:36	stassats	not their intentions'
1543100;1474057761;asciilifeform;wat.
1543101;1474057809;trinque;best lisp compiler is in the hands of imbeciles, is wat.
1543102;1474057892;asciilifeform;trinque: we have the pill. pick a time, t. and all sbcl work after t, is dead to us...
1543103;1474057911;asciilifeform;the trb method.
1543104;1474057977;trinque;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/sbcl-devel/7A7TmBne6xw/fxxgM2xIdEMJ
1543105;1474058045;trinque;^ announcement of Newman's resignation from the project
1543106;1474059085;phf;!#s dog
1543107;1474059086;a111;990 results for "dog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog
1543108;1474059169;phf; <**> Out of memory: Failed to allocate object of size 40000008 [10/10] 
1543109;1474059428;mircea_popescu;!#s as
1543110;1474059429;a111;37308 results for "as", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=as
1543111;1474059436;mircea_popescu;pretty snappy.
1543112;1474059462;phf;right, but the url above timeouts
1543113;1474060270;mircea_popescu;and in other tooling news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/1f3675ccd63cc4eedc95167f1685315a/tumblr_o4kjg3ie4S1ui7jcmo1_400.gif
1543114;1474060283;phf;Error: Segmentation violation(11) [code 0] at 42405E119C {outside Lisp heap}
1543115;1474060285;phf;etc.
1543116;1474060293;phf;fuck it, i'm going to port it to sbcl
1543117;1474060304;mircea_popescu;it requires porting ?
1543118;1474060640;phf;well, cmucl version was very cmucl specific, when i ported it to lispworks i made it portable, but i'm sure there are some small things left
1543119;1474060737;mircea_popescu;well, gl with sbcl.
1543120;1474060761;mircea_popescu; http://67.media.tumblr.com/2328e4c72bbec3ad89158518ae1c8821/tumblr_nv7u2ccKU11tlnr6jo1_400.gif << summer dresses rule.
1543121;1474060833;*;shinohai was just enjoying such a view
1543122;1474061354;mircea_popescu;and in counterpoint news, http://hajiwonposts.tumblr.com/post/146939320580
1543123;1474061389;asciilifeform;l0l!
1543124;1474061393;asciilifeform;i think we had this thread
1543125;1474061395;mircea_popescu;some of the weirdest shit there. including somebody who thought using a common glass salad bowl as a receiver is a good idea, somehow ; lotta casual "your cunt's bare, why not be naked" stuff, and etc
1543126;1474061478;asciilifeform;eh wait, sc4m! some of these chix dun look pregnant at all
1543127;1474061486;asciilifeform;what even is that object they're 'birthing'
1543128;1474061487;mircea_popescu;ikr ?
1543129;1474061507;asciilifeform;it looks quite similar in various pics
1543130;1474061516;mircea_popescu;a... puppy ?
1543131;1474061516;asciilifeform;... raw chicken ?
1543132;1474061532;ben_vulpes;...placenta?
1543133;1474061566;mircea_popescu;anyway. hard to tell from a pic, there's considerable variance in abdominal swelling.
1543134;1474061595;asciilifeform;e.g., http://hajiwonposts.tumblr.com/post/148141851075/good?is_related_post=1
1543135;1474062006;mircea_popescu;and in other things that could beenfit from a blockchain trustless digital autonomous crypto anarcho syndicalist commune :  https://www.emlalock.com/
1543136;1474062012;mircea_popescu;hopefully someone makes a coin for that.
1543137;1474062177;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in re earlier, gotta wonder re the existence of... abortion pr0n
1543138;1474062188;asciilifeform;( if 1, why not the other )
1543139;1474062189;mircea_popescu;i imagine it must.
1543140;1474062200;mircea_popescu;gore is a thing ; since before rotten.com
1543141;1474062203;asciilifeform;and didn't mircea_popescu tells us about some chick who had one every other month or the like
1543142;1474062213;mircea_popescu;that was before digicams.
1543143;1474062293;asciilifeform;and not just the 'gore', but complete kit, with chix 'butterflying' themselves while they spray it out, etc
1543144;1474062309;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?1
1543145;1474062317;mircea_popescu;self-administered abortions ?
1543146;1474062326;asciilifeform;not necessarily
1543147;1474062363;asciilifeform;but 'medical fetish' is a not wholly unknown thing
1543148;1474062386;asciilifeform;and theoretically cunt engine can work just as well on 'out' stroke as 'in', eh?
1543149;1474062419;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?!
1543150;1474062456;asciilifeform;well, theoretically, 'reverse penetration'
1543151;1474062471;mircea_popescu;i dun follow ?
1543152;1474062495;asciilifeform;they're being fucked, from reverse end
1543153;1474062506;mircea_popescu;through 30m of intestine ?
1543154;1474062531;asciilifeform;neh, the other tract
1543155;1474063271;thestringpuller;lololol Spells of Genesis is so ADHD
1543156;1474063401;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuRf6r0LuL8 << speaking of powerful drones, check out this octocopter used for 'dronesurfing'
1543157;1474063404;pete_dushenski;model 'Freefly ALTA 8'
1543158;1474063515;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the retiarius' weapons may well make a comeback. drone should be able to drop weighted net on, say, schoolgirl, neh ?
1543159;1474063586;pete_dushenski;yup. retariopter
1543160;1474063877;pete_dushenski;http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-nsa-has-files-on-a-country-that-doesnt-exist << how dare the nsa have a file on a nonexistent country that isn't tmsr!
1543161;1474063897;mircea_popescu;lmao
1543162;1474063901;mircea_popescu;because tmsr exists ?
1543163;1474063978;pete_dushenski;must be that eh.
1543164;1474064132;pete_dushenski;https://medium.com/personal-growth/10-ways-to-adapt-to-prison-7e1956904409#.adpucwiwj << speaking of new realities, what kind of fuckin soi-dissant 'guide to prison' doesn't include 'stab first, ask questions later' ?
1543165;1474064184;pete_dushenski;'Don’t gamble or use drugs' ? how goddam lame is that.
1543166;1474064264;mod6;tmsr even has a cia factbook
1543167;1474064292;pete_dushenski;only if mp's a cia mole.
1543168;1474064459;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski most people who go to "prison" end up in low and mid security joints.
1543169;1474064466;mircea_popescu;not to mention people who don't ain't reading fucking medium.
1543170;1474064526;pete_dushenski;~no one who's going anywhere, even prison, reads medium
1543171;1474064539;pete_dushenski;tweets get more views
1543172;1474064641;mircea_popescu;anyway. "don't gamble" is solid advice. gamble works in prison exactly like outside - as taxation. unless you're running the joint, gambling is just another way of looking for a boyfriend.
1543173;1474065005;thestringpuller;"I put on for my country." - Young Stalin
1543174;1474065035;mircea_popescu;in practical terms, if you'll be going to prison for limp dick shit, your best move is to have bitcoin and a wot. the personnel is poorly paid, greatly infiltrated by gold diggers who correctly intuit this is their easiest way to endear themselves to the sort of people who can touch real money, however briefly, and generally very supportive. for as long as you got leverage outside you'll be fine.
1543175;1474065128;mircea_popescu;just as long as you make sure that a) usg can't get at your wealth and b) you left a network behind you're liable to find the prison term more pleasant than life at home./
1543176;1474065168;mircea_popescu;(they also know this ; which is why all the derpy "murder for hire" and assorted nonsense keeps trying to be tacked on)
1543177;1474065281;mircea_popescu;and in other "prison for women" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8821c5e865e9249a8dc810fae9938131/tumblr_o8cxlv1tVj1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
1543178;1474065581;mircea_popescu;oh incredibly enough, i might have found alf's altatron. http://torturepain.tumblr.com/post/142820473702/queensnake
1543179;1474067077;BingoBoingo;https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=member+berries&defid=10244291 << Really, mo one realizes "member berries" is testicles?
1543180;1474067502;asciilifeform;https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2014/feb/04/method-so-acceptable-dea-cant-even-tell-you-its-na << gut-busting
1543181;1474067534;mircea_popescu;speaking of gutbusting. http://65.media.tumblr.com/65f8b6c2bf6f967f5b2bbb5a47a0a962/tumblr_nzjhscfFlU1u2j8oyo1_1280.jpg
1543182;1474067731;asciilifeform;^ perhaps ~that~ is the subj of link !!
1543183;1474067770;mircea_popescu;"2011 FBI report finds “broadening U.S. military presence” responsible for rise in terror attacks" << hurr. "today we discovered that if we go attack some people, they'll attack us right back."
1543184;1474068112;asciilifeform;https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/dea-vaughn-index-10335/#file-16280 << lel, tighter lips than nsa on typical day
1543185;1474068143;asciilifeform;(the latter usually shits out pages-denied count)
1543186;1474068164;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda amused at the notion that anyone much gives a shit either way.
1543187;1474068294;asciilifeform;well, on a list of 'the four seeekrit evidences', stoolies, nsatronics , parallel construction, and ????. So what's ???? ... telepathy? magic 8ball?
1543188;1474068323;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#441 << and what's this
1543189;1474068354;asciilifeform;et tu scribabrute?!
1543190;1474068410;asciilifeform;what, i mean, is an altatron.
1543191;1474068528;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#437 << sounds like a recipe for coke machine, not favours from jailer
1543192;1474068589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#413 <
1543193;1474068669;mircea_popescu;in other news, pop quiz is unanymous : jordan mactaggart was pretty hot.
1543194;1474069313;adlai;from my experience in two situations not dissimilar from low-security gaol, mircea_popescu is correct about the staff
1543195;1474069364;adlai;(idf (including lots of secondhand familiarity with both sides of its military prison system) and 'hospital')
1543196;1474069509;adlai;asciilifeform: my primary gripe with sbcl is that if you do enough network operations in parallel, you hit some race condition, and must restart lisp to continue webbing.
1543197;1474069536;*;adlai is still using sbcl, this only happens every few months of scalping so it's not too hairy a shirt
1543198;1474069592;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 113824259307333733622621589643049751142859902349974419208869344787806302253267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.9.13@mkj.lt>; '
1543199;1474070132;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5F8DE075CDBAA6097DE1BF6B4BA32A47399B1098244E6E3C83374BA3024DF981 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 113824259307333733622621589643049751142859902349974419208869344787806302253267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.9.13 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.9.13 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.9.13@mkj.lt>; '
1543200;1474070132;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AB1CC7C0F992FB8527D4B489D4202EB78672F9E0A7F2908A5A3611A00611CDE6 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 113824259307333733622621589643049751142859902349974419208869344787806302253267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.11.229 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.11.229 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.11.229@mkj.l
1543201;1474070834;thestringpuller;lol my mom is watching netflix on the wifi
1543202;1474071494;thestringpuller;its funny how the opiate of the masses never really changes. it just finds more concentrated forms. :\ depressing.
1543203;1474071506;*;thestringpuller goes back to reading comic books
1543204;1474071561;adlai;dude wtf, xey're called "grafic novels" now
1543205;1474071598;thestringpuller;>:( I get serial comics. I'm subscribed to 30 something titles per month atm.
1543206;1474071780;adlai;serialization is how most (?) novels were published for ~ever. strikes me as a fairer economic arrangement than premium+royalties but i'm probably just a clueless outsider
1543207;1474071794;thestringpuller;this graphic novel mania the weee-uh-boos set in motion is ridiculous.
1543208;1474071811;thestringpuller;cuz really a monthly series should be like an episode of tv
1543209;1474071832;*;adlai grew up on tintin, probably the reason for his strong inoculation against political correctedness
1543210;1474071871;adlai;the best thing about tintin is that nobody is around to dilute the syrup (and no, the movies don't count)
1543211;1474071896;thestringpuller;adlai: but royalties are where all the sweet money is in comics! if a comic, does really well, the license holders get a cut of pretty much everything spawned from the franchise.
1543212;1474071933;adlai;call me when the kids are playing Spiderman Go
1543213;1474072092;thestringpuller;LOL. 4 srs tho. spider-man is a pretty good example. why do you think sony sunk money into a 2nd spiderman trilogy (which became a disaster)? they wanted to keep the movie rights.
1543214;1474072728;mircea_popescu;adlai : tell you what, put whatever does the equivalent of php up, hit it with 10loads/second for half hour and see how hairy a shirt it is.
1543215;1474072856;adlai;mircea_popescu: sbcl dies on too many (for all i know, just two, in the precisely bad timing) ~outgoing~ queries
1543216;1474072972;mircea_popescu;does talk-to-db count as outgoing ?
1543217;1474073188;adlai;maybe? i get this from too many talk-to-exchange (and once from too many talk-to-freenode, with handrolled irc code that didn't rate limit...)
1543218;1474073223;adlai;i never got this when dealing with mpex, but mpex moves slowly enough that parallel queries weren't a concern
1543219;1474073269;adlai;a db on another box would probably count, unless "what color are your packets"?
1543220;1474075172;ben_vulpes;hours later, bitcoind still pegged
1543221;1474075217;ben_vulpes;12.82 day uptime. let's try again!
1543222;1474075258;ben_vulpes;heh i wonder if the thing will even listen to shutdown commands.
1543223;1474075423;mircea_popescu;it mostly does, albeit very slowly
1543224;1474075681;ben_vulpes;i'm in no rush, happy to run the hourglass out.
1543225;1474075729;mircea_popescu;large part of it is berkley db being incredibly slow to put itself in a sane state.
1543226;1474075848;ben_vulpes;does this hold when it's not even listening to rpc commands?
1543227;1474075885;mircea_popescu;bdb holds the blockchain and the wallet ; rpc doesn't much enter into it
1543228;1474077415;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_i=fShutdown
1543229;1474077484;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#15 << and holy fuck adlai what sbcl were you using, and for what.
1543230;1474077484;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-17: [00:40:56] <adlai> mircea_popescu: sbcl dies on too many (for all i know, just two, in the precisely bad timing) ~outgoing~ queries
1543231;1474077516;asciilifeform;i had it drive 20kg of stainless steel turning on a dime, for hours on end, real-time, and experienced no such nonsense.
1543232;1474077549;asciilifeform;and it was plugged into a bank of tcp to serial (yes) converters, even.
1543233;1474077593;asciilifeform;adlai: did you ffi out something other than merely the socket handling ?
1543234;1474077603;asciilifeform;or was this post-poettering sbcl
1543235;1474077604;asciilifeform;or wat.
1543236;1474077698;adlai;asciilifeform: i suspect the culprit is the one CL lib of such quality that it has a plus in its name
1543237;1474077729;adlai;either that, or merely the socket handling.
1543238;1474077789;asciilifeform;unless folks ~publish~ the magical bug-inducers, i am inclined to agree with the old iddish proverb
1543239;1474077791;asciilifeform;about the dancer.
1543240;1474077861;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: if you read the code, you will notice that trb is, at most times of 'very very busy bee', quite unready to react to rpc command because one of the global locks is engaged.
1543241;1474077880;asciilifeform;fwiw i pretty much always kill -9 it.
1543242;1474077887;asciilifeform;if the node dies, i can bake another.
1543243;1474077899;adlai;(format () "~{~A~^ ~}" (mapcar 'funcall '(lisp-implementation-type lisp-implementation-version machine-type))) => "SBCL 1.2.4.debian X86-64"
1543244;1474077907;asciilifeform;it takes, what, all of 10 or so hrs, pumping via a direct link
1543245;1474077914;adlai;first happened ~2 yrs ago, last happened ~2 weeks ago.
1543246;1474077930;asciilifeform;adlai: i dun think i've ever used anything above 1
1543247;1474077959;adlai;magical bug inducer = scalpl running against the usual suspects of shitcoinistan
1543248;1474077972;asciilifeform;sounds like it's just throwing packets
1543249;1474077993;asciilifeform;not even, as in phf's case, calling exotic gpg-via-ffi crapola
1543250;1474077995;adlai;well, it is always throwing ssl packets, so it could also be that (this is the aforementioned plus-sized library)
1543251;1474078006;asciilifeform;ewww does your thing call out to openssl?!
1543252;1474078020;adlai;cl+ssl is ffi to openssl
1543253;1474078028;asciilifeform;~hlrph~
1543254;1474078031;asciilifeform;vomitronic.
1543255;1474078109;adlai;you have to use ssl with all exchanges (except for one, guess which)
1543256;1474078143;*;adlai misses the days of scalping without competition
1543257;1474078147;asciilifeform;anyway i won't be debugging folks' seeeekrit codez over whispers and winks.
1543258;1474078152;asciilifeform;whether scalpl or mpb.
1543259;1474078177;adlai;a) nobody asked you to debug b) it's not seeeekrit, i "backup" on github
1543260;1474078183;asciilifeform;link?
1543261;1474078198;adlai;https://github.com/adlai/scalpl
1543262;1474078215;adlai;(the most recent bits aren't pushed yet, but theyr'e not relevant to this bug)
1543263;1474078250;adlai;note that this code is written with no brains other than my own in mind
1543264;1474078321;adlai;it's almost "job security"; lets me publish my cake while preventing anybody else from eating it. whether i can eat it too (ie, debug this a decade after writing it) remains to be seen.
1543265;1474078348;asciilifeform;well from adlai's description in earlier thread, it sounds as if 'the time' had already come
1543266;1474078360;asciilifeform;when the thing barfs randomly, and underperforms in unpredictable ways.
1543267;1474078361;adlai;time for... 'ownership' of sbcl?
1543268;1474078375;adlai;or at least, freezing an old version
1543269;1474078483;*;adlai thinks out loud: 'crystallising' might be a better metaphor than 'freezing', since the purpose isn't only to reduce code temperature, but also to remove impurities as they emerge
1543270;1474078612;adlai;fwiw, whenever i fantasized about owning a lisp compiler, the imagined object went one step further than sbcl, and didn't depend on a C compiler for the 'kernel', but rather shat ELF objects (or whatever other format) from lisp
1543271;1474078648;adlai;(SBCL, contrary to popular mythos, is not 'self hosting')
1543272;1474078657;asciilifeform;adlai: i think everybody knows this
1543273;1474078667;asciilifeform;so i have nfi what mythos yer thinking of
1543274;1474078675;asciilifeform;it demands a gcc for pass1
1543275;1474078713;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#61 << conspicuously absent are whatever mechanisms used for moving coin between the arenas
1543276;1474078714;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-17: [02:09:58] <adlai> https://github.com/adlai/scalpl
1543277;1474078720;asciilifeform;or is this not a thing yet
1543278;1474078734;asciilifeform;how the hell does it arbitrage ?
1543279;1474078736;adlai;everybody who's paid attention. cue internal-mp: "bipeds who don't pay attention are Not People"
1543280;1474078773;adlai;how the hell would you arbitrage the asset formerly known as S.MPOE, other than across time?
1543281;1474078811;adlai;the fact that usd (and other assorted shitcoins) are traded across multiple exchanges is merely an additional profit vector for future implementation... lone wolf projects lope one leap at a time
1543282;1474078840;adlai;(in case it's unclear, "time-arbitrage" is not a risk-free enterprise)
1543283;1474078843;asciilifeform;well suppose robot finds that btce is falling through the floor
1543284;1474078859;asciilifeform;how does it withdraw the coin, to put elsewhere
1543285;1474078866;adlai;it doesn't.
1543286;1474078868;asciilifeform;or does it simply ring a bell.
1543287;1474078905;adlai;but neither does a lens notice that a cork slice looks like a grid from close up
1543288;1474078922;trinque;wtf is this myth where sbcl is slow
1543289;1474078923;asciilifeform;so the thing isn't really automatic, but semi-?
1543290;1474078945;adlai;well that's a bad analogy, cross-exchange arbitrage is entirely possible programmatically, just not yet implemented
1543291;1474078960;asciilifeform;trinque: nfi where, it is the fastest cl i've personally used, hands-down (hand-massaged certain items in it to beat the shit out of cpp original, even)
1543292;1474078983;trinque;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2192629
1543293;1474078997;asciilifeform;read moar shitcombinator.
1543294;1474079007;trinque;links therein...
1543295;1474079025;trinque;https://lbolla.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/sbcl-quicker-than-c/
1543296;1474079031;adlai;"time-arbitrage" (ie, buy-low-sell-high-and-hope-the-noise-continues) is entirely automatic (up to sane/profitable configuration), cross-exchange arbitrage is entirely unsupported. scalpl has no understanding of the fact that different markets on different exchanges might involve the same asset.
1543297;1474079087;adlai;it DOES know that different markets on the same exchange could overlap, so a lower fruit is "triangular arbitrage" (eg, simultaneously trading btcusd, atcusd, and btcatc)
1543298;1474079119;asciilifeform;trinque: the title of the article is retarded.
1543299;1474079138;asciilifeform;is a shoe quicker than a blade of grass ?
1543300;1474079145;asciilifeform;purple quicker than three ?
1543301;1474079150;adlai;trinque: maybe you're confusing the slowness of compilation with that of execution? python is a very slow compiler.
1543302;1474079182;trinque;the guy just added optimization flags to a debian benchmark
1543303;1474079183;asciilifeform;adlai: presumably you are speaking of the older python ?
1543304;1474079189;trinque;you're meant to y'know, click the links in pages
1543305;1474079190;asciilifeform;(the compiler in sbcl)
1543306;1474079200;trinque;adlai: I'm not confusing shit
1543307;1474079202;adlai;asciilifeform: oh they released another one? better call the snake handlers.
1543308;1474079217;trinque;I have shipped plenty of code that runs on sbcl.
1543309;1474079247;adlai;oh there are links in the links, and idiots spreading false myths (as opposed to the other kind)
1543310;1474079257;asciilifeform;( for n00bz/readers - yes, the compiler of sbcl was in fact called 'python'... quite a bit prior to the scripting language )
1543311;1474079296;adlai;strictly speaking isn't this cmucl's compiler?
1543312;1474079312;asciilifeform;adlai: originally
1543313;1474079317;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244575386963745@naggum.no.html << obligatory bathtub rocket
1543314;1474079338;trinque;the guy whose resignation I linked forked it from cmucl and rewrote it in lisp
1543315;1474079389;adlai;trinque: which link?
1543316;1474079397;adlai;oh that link. william newman.
1543317;1474079408;*;trinque mutters newman
1543318;1474079424;adlai;python was always written in lisp. s/cmu/sb/ consisted of rewriting the bootstrapping logic.
1543319;1474079513;adlai;http://jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/~csr21/sbcl-0.0 << worth a read for anybody with even the most passing of interests in archaeology
1543320;1474079517;*;mircea_popescu didn't click on newman link, because meh, google shit. but now since came up again, decided to check it out. went to archive.is - not there.
1543321;1474079703;mircea_popescu;"This SF.net email is sponsored by the 2008 JavaOne(SM) Conference. Don't miss this year's exciting event. There's still time to save $100."
1543322;1474079705;mircea_popescu;pshh.
1543323;1474079792;trinque;adlai's link is in there, but from jun 2012
1543324;1474079794;trinque;did not get updated
1543325;1474080045;trinque;Therefore, under this system there should be no need to resort to hairy hacking when fundamental internal structures are to be changed, or to "compile it with itself a few times until things settle down". << what the fuck?
1543326;1474080068;trinque;what system compiled itself "until things settle"
1543327;1474080119;adlai;cmucl
1543328;1474080151;mircea_popescu;i dunno, and i can't be arsed to find out. everyone involved sounds exactly like a bunch of whiny fucktards with clitorii.
1543329;1474080166;asciilifeform;the sleep of fits-in-head breeds monsters.
1543330;1474080188;adlai;this is funny: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/cmucl-build/00_README but this is funnier: https://www.cons.org/cmucl/doc/crosscompile.html
1543331;1474080207;asciilifeform;## Recompiling CMUCL is not an exact science...                      ##
1543332;1474080207;asciilifeform;##                                 [Peter Van Eynde, September 1998] ##
1543333;1474080213;asciilifeform;^ do we need to read past this ?
1543334;1474080226;adlai;yeah, click the second link
1543335;1474080241;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1543336;1474080253;mircea_popescu;to counterbalance the oestrogen overload, here's some harm : "Without boasting, I can tell you that, when Volodya struck me across the ear and spat in my face, I really got him, so that he won't forget it. It was only after that that I hit him with his primus and it was evening when I hit him with the iron. So he didn't die straight away by any means. This doesn't prove that I cut his leg off as early as the afternoon. He was
1543337;1474080254;mircea_popescu; still alive then. Whereas Andryusha I killed simply from inertia, and I can't hold myself responsible for that. Why did Andryusha and Yelizaveta Antonovna fall into my hands anyway? They had no business springing out from behind the door. I am being accused of bloodthirstiness; they say I drank blood, but that is not true: I licked up the pools of blood and stains -- it is a man's natural urge to wipe out the traces of even
1543338;1474080254;mircea_popescu;the most trivial of crimes. And also I did not rape Yelizaveta Antonovna. In the first place, she was no longer a virgin; and secondly I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint. What about the fact that she just happened to have to give birth? Well, I did pull out the infant. The fact that he was not long for this world anyway, well that's really not my fault. I didn't tear his head off; it was hi
1543339;1474080256;asciilifeform;no wonder this thing was shot in the head and left to die in a shallow grave.
1543340;1474080259;mircea_popescu;s thin neck that did that. He was simply not created for this life. It's true that I stomped their dog to a pulp around the floor, but it's really cynical to accuse me of murdering the dog when in the immediate vicinity, it might be said, three human lives had been obliterated. The infant I don't count. Well, all right then, in all this (I can agree with you) it is possible to discern a degree of severity on my part. But to c
1543341;1474080264;mircea_popescu;onsider it a crime that I squatted down and defecated on my victims -- that is really, if you'll excuse me, absurd. Defecation is an urge of nature and consequently can in no sense be criminal. All things considered, I do understand the misgivings of my defence counsel, but all the same I am hoping for a complete acquittal."
1543342;1474080326;asciilifeform;lel didn't oglaf do a special on this one
1543343;1474080332;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1543344;1474080347;asciilifeform;http://oglaf.com/insummary <<
1543345;1474080373;mircea_popescu;aha
1543346;1474080375;adlai;"I was having dealings with a corpse, so she has no cause for complaint." << excellent argument for gutting cmucl rather than sbcl, unless you get off on the screams
1543347;1474080396;*;trinque already pulled up the tinyscheme source, will read as he drinks wine
1543348;1474080402;asciilifeform;adlai: i think all of the gentlemen present 'get off on the screams', yes
1543349;1474080403;mircea_popescu;note also the implied (and ancient) notion that only virgins may be raped.
1543350;1474080438;asciilifeform;trinque: i recommend to pull up mine, rather than the heathen one, but the difference is not large
1543351;1474080447;trinque;alrighty.
1543352;1474080447;*;adlai also suspects that "gutting cmucl" would involve redoing so much of newman's work that it's much lazier to just gut an old version of sbcl
1543353;1474080464;asciilifeform;trinque: also it isn't a given that tinyscheme is necessarily the best starting point for implementing a civilized scheme
1543354;1474080479;mircea_popescu;wtf is this c code to glue lisp compiled lisp together. good god.
1543355;1474080489;asciilifeform;the empty sheet of paper + the standard is a good alternative.
1543356;1474080508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it runs on a unix, there'll be glue. by the pound.
1543357;1474080546;mircea_popescu;why pretend then. just have a honest interpreter written in c sit down and take your repl.
1543358;1474080557;trinque;clisp
1543359;1474080557;asciilifeform;other thing, trinque, is that interpreters won't be breaking any speed records.
1543360;1474080578;adlai;incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner?
1543361;1474080587;asciilifeform;adlai: yes.
1543362;1474080593;asciilifeform;it only works in my experience on gurlz
1543363;1474080598;adlai;(the fallback is http://eloquentjavascript.net/ which is written by a lisper and contains numerous inline repls)
1543364;1474080612;asciilifeform;it won't work on someone you aren't fucking, there will not be the necessary patience.
1543365;1474080613;mircea_popescu;or knuth.
1543366;1474080636;adlai;lol
1543367;1474080659;trinque;hm, mircea_popescu has me wanting to read clisp now
1543368;1474080673;BingoBoingo;<adlai> incidentally, on a slightly related topic: a friend has taken me up on my (foolish, drunken) offer to help teach him programming. i'm tempted to start with a "sheet of paper + mccarthy" approach, since he's yet unspoiled by algol; has anybody tried teaching in this manner? << Don't skip to 12 without working the other steps. Only 13 can be skipped to.
1543369;1474080679;trinque;there is an honesty to not doing this bootstrapping madness while a lisp OS is absent
1543370;1474080680;mircea_popescu;trinque a perhaps even workable alternative would be, adalisp.
1543371;1474080684;asciilifeform;adlai: 'little schemer' by sussman. but again i cannot recommend doing this to just 'friend'
1543372;1474080727;BingoBoingo;^ Hence necessity of 13th step
1543373;1474080743;mircea_popescu;"7) Paranoid folks like to recompile just again, to be sure that the new system has no artifact from the old running Lisp.  These instructions also build the very-optional parts like CLX at this stage.  If you want to do that, activate the for loop near the end." << i'm not sure paranoid is the word here.
1543374;1474080754;mircea_popescu;seriously, the vague is getting ridiculous. "artefacts" ?
1543375;1474080755;trinque;asciilifeform: thunked a lady with both that and sicp once, and she actually read them
1543376;1474080766;mircea_popescu;why not just build a fucking tool to spot "artefacts"
1543377;1474080768;mircea_popescu;o, wait...
1543378;1474080793;adlai;mircea_popescu: that tool is called "recompile once more, just to be safe"
1543379;1474080804;mircea_popescu;what is this, distillation ?
1543380;1474080809;mircea_popescu;buncha vocational drunks.
1543381;1474080817;adlai;precisely, as opposed to crystallization
1543382;1474080824;BingoBoingo;<trinque> asciilifeform: thunked a lady with both that and sicp once, and she actually read them << This is the difference. The fucking.
1543383;1474080828;trinque;pls moar metaphor, I am not drunk yet
1543384;1474080831;*;trinque pours another glass
1543385;1474080833;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would anyone want to run anything produced in this manner.
1543386;1474080834;adlai;make sure to avoid the methanol!
1543387;1474080847;adlai;because the fractional still hasn't been invented yet
1543388;1474080858;trinque;BingoBoingo: aha, in fact there was a thread where mircea_popescu explained that y'know, you teach the women things
1543389;1474080866;trinque;and my heathen brain was astonished
1543390;1474080893;asciilifeform;'When people who can’t think logically design large systems, those systems become incomprehensible. And we start thinking of them as biological systems.' -- from lamport's 'The Future of Computing: Logic or Biology' (2003)
1543391;1474080913;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu , nobody wants this ! any more than they 'want' ringworm.
1543392;1474080917;asciilifeform;it just drops on'em
1543393;1474080919;mircea_popescu;trinque fancy that, you had to have someone tell you! nature teaches by example, you stick more data into woman each time than you ever did into all machines you ever touched. yet...
1543394;1474080924;asciilifeform;for being a bunch of retarded pygmies
1543395;1474080984;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/02prx/?raw=true << whole lamport thing , as found in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=41, de-pdfulated
1543396;1474080989;asciilifeform;pertinent.
1543397;1474081002;mircea_popescu;./lisp -core lisp.clcore, one line after they misspelled it as losp.clore is really fucking endearing, too.
1543398;1474081037;trinque;the thing may very well be 10 systemd cycles in, given its age
1543399;1474081052;mircea_popescu;so fucking idiotic, im bailing.
1543400;1474081058;mircea_popescu;how can you lot put up with these idiots ?
1543401;1474081117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year.
1543402;1474081121;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/09/16/george-stephanopoulos-pepe-frog-well-known-symbol-white-supremacist-movement/ << “You had an Instagram post last week that included Pepe the Frog, which is now a well-known symbol of the white supremacist movement,”
1543403;1474081125;adlai;"verification is economically feasible only in a small number of applications???mainly, for fairly small programs that perform lifecritical functions. Verification techniques are being used successfully to help debug programs, at Microsoft and elsewhere" << please, tell me more about these small, lifecriticial, microsoft applications...
1543404;1474081141;asciilifeform;adlai: you do know what happened to lamport, right ?
1543405;1474081141;mircea_popescu;that are lifecritical.
1543406;1474081151;adlai;not without googling, no.
1543407;1474081177;asciilifeform;adlai: he got 'tenured' at one of those prestige farms where usg (via various muppetronics) pays eminent old folk to avoid being dangerous
1543408;1474081197;asciilifeform;in this case, 'microshit research'
1543409;1474081209;asciilifeform;believe or not, even xerox parc still exists. in this mode.
1543410;1474081213;asciilifeform;even bell labs.
1543411;1474081236;asciilifeform;big morgues, where they parked the lamports.
1543412;1474081246;trinque;lamports parked themselves
1543413;1474081263;asciilifeform;heemeyer-style
1543414;1474081273;asciilifeform;ditch dug around'em, now welcome to your 'island' .
1543415;1474081304;mircea_popescu;kinda why old people are not interesting.
1543416;1474081311;adlai;yeah i doubt anybody forced him to sign; i suspect anybody who wasn't sufficiently dangerous for enough decades, eventually gets tired of poor impotence, and starts sucking the cock that slapped them
1543417;1474081318;asciilifeform;though i knew an old dude who picked poverty and hunger over that new 'bell labs.'
1543418;1474081350;mircea_popescu;and did he do anything ?
1543419;1474081363;asciilifeform;went back to old trade he knew from su.
1543420;1474081370;asciilifeform;teaching physics to collegiate imbeciles.
1543421;1474081394;asciilifeform;complete with the obligatory weary dr. brin face.
1543422;1474081436;mircea_popescu;well... so he... saved the usg some bucks, still didn't do anything. hero of soviets, medal.
1543423;1474081444;mircea_popescu;if you're not going to do anything anyway, might as well take the lab.
1543424;1474081454;adlai;asciilifeform & trinque : thank you for the suggestions. i'm meeting the guy tomorrow for his 2nd lession, i'll let him choose
1543425;1474081484;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the mouse that got out of your bottle probably did not 'do anything' also.
1543426;1474081502;asciilifeform;just went around, mousin', for rest of his days.
1543427;1474081516;mircea_popescu;kinda why i released it, rather than you know, eating it.
1543428;1474081540;mircea_popescu;adlai except their suggestions were essentially "drop the guy, pick up some chicks"
1543429;1474081542;adlai;mircea_popescu: take which lab? teaching physics doesn't involve ~doing~ lab work, only grading it
1543430;1474081544;asciilifeform;( lol, i'm not the only one who was ever tempted to eat'em ?!! )
1543431;1474081556;mircea_popescu;i was never tempted to eat them, no.
1543432;1474081561;mircea_popescu;nor were they ever tempted to do anything.
1543433;1474081565;*;mircea_popescu bbl
1543434;1474081592;adlai;fwiw, the last chick i tried to teach lisp, lost patience for lisp ~before~ she lost patience for [my] cock
1543435;1474081594;asciilifeform;adlai: we were discussing a dude who quit bell labs when it turned into lucent and 'well-managed' etc.
1543436;1474081654;*;adlai makes the "stop waiting tables and learn to program" offer to ~all his friends, once he gets drunk enough
1543437;1474081684;trinque;meh, chick I taught lisp said "cool, I know what a computer is now, sorta" and went back to being a chef
1543438;1474081687;trinque;isn't for everyone
1543439;1474081691;asciilifeform;adlai: do you actually think that you are doing them a favour thereby ?
1543440;1474081794;adlai;since none yet have reached the point of not needing to wait tables - insufficient data for meaningful answer.
1543441;1474081834;asciilifeform;i'm sure they will 'thank' adlai when they instead have to program in a salt mine.
1543442;1474081863;adlai;my pitch has always been "look at me, i worked in the salt mine for less than a year and now live off my savings"
1543443;1474081892;adlai;anybody i know well enough to receive the pitch, knows me well enough to know ~why~ i no longer mine
1543444;1474081980;trinque;I have the decency not to goad my friends into joining an industry in a dark age, tyvm
1543445;1474081990;trinque;bad enough I stuck my dick in this crazy
1543446;1474082000;adlai;living off the savings would have more to do with bitcoin if i were less of an idiot, and had bought less at $1k and more at $10; but then i'd be living off the military discharge bonus, and wouldn't have mined to begin with
1543447;1474082095;adlai;eh i try to keep the pitch minimal, and avoid repeating it (unless too drunk to remember the last one). one guy got repeated pitches but that's only because we lived together and he kept remarking on how i "make money by typing"
1543448;1474082120;adlai;i'm not sure the 'dark age' is limited to this industry, it seems pretty global
1543449;1474082156;trinque;that's fair.
1543450;1474082191;*;adlai doesn't know anybody who likes their job enough to work more than they need, with the possible exception of his mom - who teaches yoga.
1543451;1474082205;trinque;yoga chicks always seem happy
1543452;1474082229;adlai;(private lessons. she long ago stopped doing group classes)
1543453;1474082324;BingoBoingo;!~bc stats
1543454;1474082325;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "bc" is not a valid command.
1543455;1474082331;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1543456;1474082332;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 430171 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 1252 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1543457;1474082342;adlai;Estimated Next Difficulty: 248,537,181,620 (+10.05%) << nice
1543458;1474082587;adlai;btw, just to bury the earlier discussion of scalpl with shameless self-promotion: if anybody feels adventurous and wants to collaborate, speak up (PM is also OK)
1543459;1474082641;adlai;('collaborate' implies either having money to potentially lose, or fixing my bugs. preferably the former because i do occasionally do the latter)
1543460;1474082667;trinque;if your thing works you should be flush with cash.
1543461;1474082670;trinque;why should I give you any
1543462;1474082736;asciilifeform;^
1543463;1474082868;adlai;[scalpl] seen from a distance, is a pretty good machine for converting ten thousand dollars into twenty thousand. [no footnote here! it can make money in crashing markets, too]  But, given the [minimum trade size] it is profoundly useless as a machine for converting ten dollars into twenty.
1543464;1474082885;asciilifeform;somehow i knew he'd say this.
1543465;1474082891;asciilifeform;maybe heard it befoar.
1543466;1474082893;BingoBoingo;Sell a kidney?
1543467;1474082903;adlai;(with apologies to Dear Stanislav)
1543468;1474082947;trinque;so work and save yourself 10 grand
1543469;1474082956;trinque;with your sweet software job
1543470;1474082969;asciilifeform;that's a ~month of (very threadbare) salt mine, ffs.
1543471;1474082971;ben_vulpes;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160916/#242 << plausible, sure, but what has actually happened is that a) the chicoms have diddled the phillips female bit such that it cams out at the slightest provocation and than on top of that the zamac used to replace it wears after so much as a single slipped drive and b) torx is a convenient workaround for the shit metals
1543472;1474082971;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-16: [19:47:07] <mircea_popescu> 
ACTION just found out that phillips and torx heads respectively aren't mere "let's arbitrarily change standards to try and extract spurious rents via alleged intellectual property" ; but in fact have proper reasons to exist. a) phillips head is self-centering ; which is to say driver does not slip out of screw being driven. this was major
1543473;1474082973;scriba;advantage in early automotive work. torx does not cam out ; which was major advantage in
1543474;1474083005;ben_vulpes;i *know* how to sink screws well, and the zinc plated shit for sale is ~unusable even by me.
1543475;1474083018;trinque;Framedragger: yer thing weirds up /me
1543476;1474083025;ben_vulpes;^^ yeah
1543477;1474083035;asciilifeform;aaaah so ~that~ is what it was.
1543478;1474083047;trinque;yep, it's barfing the raw protocol for it
1543479;1474083063;ben_vulpes;the final nail (screw?) is that even traditionally phillips applications (eg framing) now come with the torx heads.
1543480;1474083084;ben_vulpes;because the soft metal won't drive 3 inches through pine with a phillips any more.
1543481;1474083110;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'abundance for all.' 'progress.'
1543482;1474083143;*;asciilifeform hoards screws, and regrets nothing
1543483;1474083146;adlai;trinque: fwiw, $10k invested in something with a sane risk/reward curve can't net more than ~$100/mo for very long.
1543484;1474083153;ben_vulpes;on the flip side, torx work (for now). i sunk oodles of self-drillers this past weekend without a single slip.
1543485;1474083170;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: realize, this is invitation for the next round of metal-softening.
1543486;1474083176;asciilifeform;it will continue
1543487;1474083184;asciilifeform;because there is exactly nothing that would prevent it.
1543488;1474083211;mod6;asciilifeform hoards screws, and regrets nothing << im with ya. they don't make shit like they used to.
1543489;1474083213;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i hope this is a comment for the log readers
1543490;1474083225;mod6;i feel a gas-can-rage bubbling up
1543491;1474083237;asciilifeform;eventually there will be separate 'underground' suppliers for ~reasonable building materials, just like you can only get actual food in usa from 'special' suppliers.
1543492;1474083256;*;trinque hums don't fear the reaper
1543493;1474083275;adlai;!~google needs more cowbell
1543494;1474083276;jhvh1;adlai: need more cowbell on Vimeo: <https://vimeo.com/55624839>; Needs More Cowbell | Know Your Meme: <http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/needs-more-cowbell>; Watch More Cowbell From Saturday Night Live - NBC.com: <http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/more-cowbell-with-will-ferrell-on-snl--video--saturday-night-live--nbc/n41046>
1543495;1474083284;ben_vulpes;not necessarily underground so much as unknown by people
1543496;1474083286;ben_vulpes;http://www.mcmaster.com/#wood-screws/=14796fw
1543497;1474083301;ben_vulpes;mcmaster carr is one of the last bastions of sanity in fab supplies.
1543498;1474083311;ben_vulpes;also i
1543499;1474083315;ben_vulpes;don't hate?
1543500;1474083317;ben_vulpes;their website
1543501;1474083324;ben_vulpes;which was almost impossible to type
1543502;1474083357;trinque;speaking of rot, asciilifeform you'll like this
1543503;1474083377;trinque;I went to mount an encrypted openbsd drive on a different (same endian) arch
1543504;1474083385;trinque;commad proposed I provide it a *new* passphrase
1543505;1474083389;trinque;*command
1543506;1474083400;trinque;guess who's reinstalling heirloom gentoo
1543507;1474083402;*;asciilifeform unfamiliar with disk crypto on openbsd
1543508;1474083438;trinque;braindamaged thing uses the same command to init a drive as attach the softraid again next time
1543509;1474083444;asciilifeform;thing prolly can't distinguish between bad-decrypt-because-bad-pw and bad-decrypt-because-author-was-dropped-as-a-child
1543510;1474083448;asciilifeform;this is typical.
1543511;1474083460;trinque;becaues autism dictates you're actually creating the /dev/softraid0
1543512;1474083463;trinque;so then same command
1543513;1474083491;ben_vulpes;ahaha trinque biting off gentoo quest again?
1543514;1474083507;asciilifeform;didn't we have a successful gentoo initiation recently ? who was it
1543515;1474083510;asciilifeform;... diana_coman ?
1543516;1474083512;trinque;I have a disk image of old gentoo, but hey, why not see how hte kids do it these days
1543517;1474083515;*;ben_vulpes waves at asciilifeform
1543518;1474083517;trinque;it's probably terrible
1543519;1474083522;asciilifeform;she, iirc, used my recipe, even
1543520;1474083523;ben_vulpes;hnm is a gentoo machine
1543521;1474083535;ben_vulpes;("hateful noise machine")
1543522;1474083537;trinque;I have a shell script that shits out the gentoo I like
1543523;1474083606;adlai;"That all happened twenty years ago. In retrospect, thinking of programs as automobiles wasn???t so bad. Automobiles are pretty simple. If their car stops working, people expect any good mechanic to be able to figure out why and fix the problem" << Welcome to the 21st Century, where the computers still don't work but now they're in everything!
1543524;1474083622;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> eventually there will be separate 'underground' suppliers for ~reasonable building materials, just like you can only get actual food in usa from 'special' suppliers. << At the moment they sit on the shelf next to unreasonable building materials with smallest difference in price tag.
1543525;1474083679;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: in some cases, aha
1543526;1474083681;BingoBoingo;Price of insane material usually within 50% of sane materials
1543527;1474083756;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The sane hand tools though are normally seperated from insane tools and spread out by department while insane tools are all gathered in same pile.
1543528;1474083978;ben_vulpes;https://smile.amazon.com/Stanley-85-610-10-Inch-MaxGrip-Adjustable/dp/B00009OYGZ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1472488491&sr=8-3&keywords=vice+wrench << related
1543529;1474084019;adlai;lamport's DnD example is perfectly logical: (apply #'<folder> file) -> "label this file as belonging to that folder", (apply #'<folder>) -> "show me what you got"
1543530;1474084028;adlai;files don't actually move!
1543531;1474084250;BingoBoingo;From herr vulpes link: "This is like a cross between a vice-grip and a crescent wrench. This is great for bath/kitchen plumbing when you need to remove stubborn fixtures and do not want to embed the channel lock/pipe wrench teeth into the chrome fixture and leave rough teeth marks on the smooth surface. The wrench locks down without marring the polished finish and it will not fall off if your hands are slippery wet. I also would like to
1543532;1474084250;BingoBoingo;see this tool in a 12" version. "
1543533;1474084348;BingoBoingo;which is exactly wrong. This a job for pipe wrench and cloth, or in the case of sinks a basin wrench which works on the UNDERSIDE!
1543534;1474084348;ben_vulpes;fucking perverse
1543535;1474084449;BingoBoingo;Real pliers are found in electrical department where fake pliers still abound. Real wrenches are found in plumbing, or for automotive applications from the vendor who operates out of prominently branded boxtruck.
1543536;1474084459;*;adlai will read the lamport piece to the friend as a patience test, before suggesting sicp / little schemer
1543537;1474084473;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ... diana_coman ? << yeah, heard it went fairly smooth.
1543538;1474084516;adlai;if he asks to read it himself rather than sit through 10min of my silky smooth... failure
1543539;1474084525;BingoBoingo;Real saw comes from antique dealer or garage sale
1543540;1474084686;BingoBoingo;proper levels are found in flooring
1543541;1474085391;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lel that looks like infamous 'vicegrip', 'the wrong tool for every job'
1543542;1474085470;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Read description. Even Vicegrip gets perverted nowadays
1543543;1474085493;BingoBoingo;CrescentVice!
1543544;1474085830;ben_vulpes;if i had to cart around the right tool for every possible job my toolbox would be infinitely large
1543545;1474085902;ben_vulpes;just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench.
1543546;1474085911;ben_vulpes;praytell, what'd be the right tool for that job?
1543547;1474085920;ben_vulpes;"acetylene torch!!1"
1543548;1474085928;*;adlai has been reviewing math towards next month's semester start. just encountered a beautiful "fits in head" derivation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AngleAdditionDiagramSine.svg
1543549;1474085942;ben_vulpes;yeah mhm right next to the pressurized vapor line that's a grand idea.
1543550;1474085952;ben_vulpes;adlai: is (back) in school?
1543551;1474085957;adlai;go ahead, mircea_popescu, say that the gzipped txt fits better in yours
1543552;1474085986;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench. << PB Blaster!
1543553;1474086031;adlai;ben_vulpes: starting a degree in chemistry. this is the first time i'm attending university, dunno if high school counts for (back)
1543554;1474086045;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: is that in some way i'm missing a torque delivery device?
1543555;1474086087;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Patience! Followed by channel locks.
1543556;1474086174;BingoBoingo;Gotta let rust lose the batle to penetrating agent before delivering torque
1543557;1474086201;BingoBoingo;Alternately you could use a sawzall
1543558;1474086201;ben_vulpes;i am a barbarian, use wd-40 for these applications.
1543559;1474086214;ben_vulpes;near the pressurized oh and did i mention heated vapor line?
1543560;1474086219;ben_vulpes;yes a sawzall, grand idea
1543561;1474086249;ben_vulpes;i at least try to not scald myself during demo
1543562;1474086278;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: in other not-quite-noose, 'To every pair p, q of distinct primes there correspond 9 positive integers x no larger than pq such that x^c ≡ x mod (pq) for every odd positive integer c. Therefore these 9 messages x are unconcealable in any Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystem which has the product pq for its encoding modulus.'
1543563;1474086303;asciilifeform;( 'Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystems do not always conceal messages.' G.R. Blakley, I. Borosh. 1979. )
1543564;1474086405;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: denfinitely sawzall
1543565;1474086469;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: sawzall and day laborers, hardly that much of an additional cost
1543566;1474086515;asciilifeform;sawzall >>>>> http://static.wixstatic.com/media/d83b3d_72ff342904414e72a142a5aebb76c6ed.jpg_srz_p_540_360_75_22_0.5_1.2_0_jpg_srz
1543567;1474086517;asciilifeform;oblig.
1543568;1474086533;asciilifeform;https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-RTujDrqbwBU/TYOb5OUEYOI/AAAAAAAAA7Q/XIUS7Bki-LI/s1600/Fuck+Saw+01a.jpg << correct use.
1543569;1474086546;BingoBoingo;Correct, actual multitool
1543570;1474086667;BingoBoingo;In other noose http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article101989932.html#wgt=trending
1543571;1474086689;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this happens regularly.
1543572;1474086707;covertress;gawd, i know how you all feel https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1368118.msg16267321#msg16267321
1543573;1474086728;asciilifeform;http://www.bnd.com/news/local/crime/article102204712.html << BingoBoingo , even better lulz from same rag.
1543574;1474086743;asciilifeform;'A Madison County grand jury returned an indictment Thursday charging a Godfrey teenager with terror-related offenses. Keaun L. Cook, 18, has been charged with one count of material support for terrorism and one count of making a terrorist threat, both of which are class X felonies. He is accused of making verbal threats of mass casualty events at multiple locations in Madison County, which have not been disclosed by law enforcement.
1543575;1474086743;asciilifeform; Madison County State’s Attorney Tom Gibbons has said that Cook was in communication with a known terrorist organization overseas via multiple electronic means. Police were first aware of Cook on Aug. 24 after Madison County sheriff’s deputies were summoned by a family member regarding Cook’s mental state. Family members have said he suffers from multiple mental illnesses.'
1543576;1474086764;BingoBoingo;Oh, alf spoiling a roundup xtend
1543577;1474086803;asciilifeform;'While details of Cook’s actions and the alleged threat have not been publicly released, law enforcement officials have said they believe the threat was real, but has been stopped by Cook’s arrest. “There’s been no evidence to suggest the involvement of anyone else locally and no evidence that I’m aware of that indicates anyone is on their way here,” Gibbons said. “The intervention happened early enough to prevent this
1543578;1474086803;asciilifeform;from moving forward.” '
1543579;1474086811;asciilifeform;precrime squad winz!11111
1543580;1474086897;asciilifeform;'I'm building a Blockchain-as-a-Service (BaaS) corporation and a foundation, to guide and support the open source, public blockchain, KR.'
1543581;1474086918;asciilifeform;why am i reading a tardstalk link.
1543582;1474086962;covertress;jhvh1, recd your tx from 5 days, 0 hours, and 29 minutes ago. evah heard of a phemon called a hurricane?
1543583;1474086962;jhvh1;covertress: Error: "recd" is not a valid command.
1543584;1474086965;asciilifeform;for fuxxsake.
1543585;1474086969;*;asciilifeform back to bed, with 'lure of the integers', bbl.
1543586;1474087025;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: sounds terrific
1543587;1474087036;ben_vulpes;lol covertress jhvh1 is a bot
1543588;1474087050;covertress;ha! silly me.
1543589;1474087064;ben_vulpes;have you ever heard of a thing called a 'bouncer'?
1543590;1474087082;covertress;seems i should visit more often
1543591;1474087090;ben_vulpes;it persists an irc connection in spite of whatever third-world problems your corporeal situation brings upon you.
1543592;1474087113;adlai;alternatively just run irc in tmux on a server
1543593;1474087138;covertress;my sit is def 3rd wrld atm
1543594;1474087174;ben_vulpes;adlai: yeah well that'd be an adult's bouncer, neh?
1543595;1474087206;adlai;nah i feel like a child using it, because i failed to configure znc properly so i lazed away how i always do
1543596;1474087230;adlai;maybe... maybe this is how to get in touch with the inner child?
1543597;1474087230;covertress;mircea_popescu: i regret to inform you that i will not be attending our dinner 26-Sept
1543598;1474087245;adlai;sic transit gloria covertris
1543599;1474087254;ben_vulpes;lool
1543600;1474087303;adlai;covertress: on a nicer note, i believe par for this course is to not just "read 6mo of logs", but actually spend 6mo reading logs, before planning/attending a conf
1543601;1474087348;phf;apparently whatever i was doing with cmucl no other lisp can handle
1543602;1474087413;covertress;mircea_pepescu: i had wished to convey Patrick's offer to represent you against the EF.
1543603;1474087431;adlai;phf: in other news, i just crashed btcbase.org by clicking search
1543604;1474087438;adlai;and before it died, the logs looked out of date.
1543605;1474087455;phf;adlai: you missed the part where things were broken since 6pm or so
1543606;1474087488;ben_vulpes;covertress: "ethereum foundation"?
1543607;1474087492;ben_vulpes;what is this 'ef'
1543608;1474087493;adlai;phf: didn't miss it (i read scrollback! or at least, skim...), i thought it was back up
1543609;1474087504;adlai;i thought the EFF was suing mircea_popescu
1543610;1474087520;adlai;who knew typos could happen in the retina
1543611;1474087553;ben_vulpes;adlai: no a111, no fresh logz.
1543612;1474087564;adlai;covertress: regarding "2016-08-29 18:36:38     +covertress     mircea_popescu i've been asked to extend you a similar offer... to write for steemit xD", i'm very curious how much you have earned (ie, withdrawn btc from an exchange after selling) from that shitpile
1543613;1474087572;phf;adlai: same code and data that was taking up ~~500mb with cmucl blew up lispworks to 4gb, and now blowing up sbcl to 1gb, which results in heap exhaustion errors, despite the fact that there's still extra heap available
1543614;1474087646;adlai;oh yes add this to the pile of sbcl warts. it sucks at growing the heap dynamically.
1543615;1474087688;covertress;chill, adlai, i've nevah posted to steemit
1543616;1474087692;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#413 << what exactly uses so much as 1MB, phf ?
1543617;1474087697;asciilifeform;much less 500
1543618;1474087703;phf;asciilifeform: all of log
1543619;1474087716;asciilifeform;why does it live in lispspace?
1543620;1474087723;asciilifeform;db has no search ?
1543621;1474087724;phf;if i wanted to keep log in sql why would i even use lisp to begin with?
1543622;1474087737;asciilifeform;ahahahaha lolk
1543623;1474087740;adlai;covertress: oh lol. then why are you offering people to shit in a toilet you've warmed?
1543624;1474087758;adlai;* never. in a toilet who's seat you've never warmed.
1543625;1474087777;*;adlai apparently still misses the occasional selfatari
1543626;1474087798;covertress;adlai: ru 12?
1543627;1474087826;*;adlai was just talking about how in-touch he is with his inner child
1543628;1474087830;phf;asciilifeform: but even ignoring that, which i think was an interesting design challenge (go audit postgresql), sbcl falls over when actually trying to shuffle in memory data around
1543629;1474087843;covertress;lol 2nd person to prove a point
1543630;1474087844;covertress;xD
1543631;1474087848;asciilifeform;which sbcl was this, ftr ?
1543632;1474087861;adlai;which point?
1543633;1474087867;phf;sbcl-1.2.7-x86-linux
1543634;1474087869;covertress;nn kiddie
1543635;1474087877;asciilifeform;phf: ick
1543636;1474087892;asciilifeform;try with pre-1 ?
1543637;1474087905;phf;you have a canonical sbcl i can throw the problem at?
1543638;1474087907;ben_vulpes;$rate covertress -1 snr
1543639;1474087914;covertress;lol
1543640;1474087929;asciilifeform;phf: aha. when i get back to actual comp, i'll dig
1543641;1474087932;phf;kk
1543642;1474087958;ben_vulpes;!!rate covertress -1 snr
1543643;1474087959;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ogj1j/?raw=true
1543644;1474087965;covertress;lol
1543645;1474087968;phf;i start it with --dynamic-space-size 2500, it doesn't complain about "can't allocate", but it caps at 1gb. anything over that falls over
1543646;1474087984;ben_vulpes;!!v 41CEAB5E3A51B2AAF3A24A9084BC967BA3A7D2F1D21197A4CF404D6112C8D96A
1543647;1474087984;deedbot;ben_vulpes rated covertress -1 << snr
1543648;1474087988;covertress;lol
1543649;1474088012;asciilifeform;sic transic decimation-with-cunt
1543650;1474088014;adlai;covertress: you've evidently passed the "register PGP key and operate it" barrier, but you're failing the "not annoy people" barrier. you're not the first person to do this, and won't be the last. I suggest you NOT take this personally, figure out why you're failing this test, and... better luck next time.
1543651;1474088017;ben_vulpes;1) do your six months. 2) don't talk trash on your betters.
1543652;1474088018;asciilifeform;*transit
1543653;1474088028;phf;ben_vulpes: ty
1543654;1474088053;*;adlai always feels some sorrow when people (lowercase 'P') faceplant over these hurdles
1543655;1474088151;*;asciilifeform pictures dept. of ninjashogunate in meeting hall, 'what did we fuck up this time'
1543656;1474088173;ben_vulpes;beheading uppity peasants is a privilege, and a duty of the privileged.
1543657;1474088220;ben_vulpes;mas?
1543658;1474088221;covertress;fu, minnions, if you cant take a joke
1543659;1474088222;adlai;honestly though, isn't this more akin to culling a peasant child?
1543660;1474088233;ben_vulpes;she's like 40, no child any more
1543661;1474088248;*;adlai is not one to judge people's age by the color of their bits
1543662;1474088249;ben_vulpes;although the spelling...
1543663;1474088258;covertress;i was not speaking to you all any way
1543664;1474088267;covertress;gn mircea_popescu
1543665;1474088277;ben_vulpes;"you can't fire me, i quit!"
1543666;1474088287;ben_vulpes;begone, harpy.
1543667;1474088297;covertress;lol
1543668;1474088299;adlai;covertress: you're speaking here to pretty much anybody who ever reads a publicly available log
1543669;1474088310;adlai;if you want to speak to somebody privately, send them a message (i've sent you one, did you see it?)
1543670;1474088314;asciilifeform;!!rate covertress -1 insistent idiocy
1543671;1474088316;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8xgz7/?raw=true
1543672;1474088335;adlai;some people refuse private communication (eg mircea_popescu ) but that doesn't mean that shouting on his lawn is for his ears only.
1543673;1474088344;covertress;i reject your reality, and submit my own
1543674;1474088358;asciilifeform;!!v BEFEFE64D099D3EA094ADFC311B9D3BC5CB96B14252251B8913A1C48C1830AD4
1543675;1474088359;deedbot;asciilifeform rated covertress -1 << insistent idiocy
1543676;1474088365;ben_vulpes;oh you submit do you, that's top kek
1543677;1474088367;covertress;lol
1543678;1474088372;adlai;ever heard of "reality kicks back"?
1543679;1474088389;adlai;or maybe the old idf proverb: "you spit on the army, the army wipes. the army spits on you, you drown"
1543680;1474088417;asciilifeform;why is the turd still floating, trinque ?
1543681;1474088426;ben_vulpes;!!gettrust covertress
1543682;1474088426;deedbot;L1: -1, L2: 2 by 4 connections.
1543683;1474088435;ben_vulpes;!!down covertress
1543684;1474088474;trinque;asciilifeform: what turd
1543685;1474088484;mod6;exactly.
1543686;1474088499;asciilifeform;trinque: eh it went.
1543687;1474088502;trinque;ahaha
1543688;1474088514;ben_vulpes;i mean i had to flush it, twice
1543689;1474088514;mod6;bah-woosh
1543690;1474088518;adlai;ben_vulpes jiggled the handle but i suspect $up in PM may still work
1543691;1474088540;*;adlai doesn't presume to understand the full inner workings of deedbot, of course; but that's what seems to have happened with the first -v
1543692;1474088555;trinque;!!gettrust deedbot covertress
1543693;1474088555;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 4 connections.
1543694;1474088560;trinque;nope
1543695;1474088568;adlai;oic
1543696;1474088595;*;adlai takes off hat?
1543697;1474088617;*;trinque lives in a gentoo livecd nao
1543698;1474088625;ben_vulpes;don't bother installing the os
1543699;1474088631;mod6;heh
1543700;1474088631;ben_vulpes;just leave the usb plugged in
1543701;1474088634;ben_vulpes;what dma
1543702;1474088656;trinque;you know what's sad? I'm actually running off of an SD card in a USB reader
1543703;1474088659;trinque;because that was on my desk
1543704;1474088723;mod6;I'm so glad this week is over.
1543705;1474088732;*;trinque drinks to that
1543706;1474088932;mod6;fwiw, nice tit(s) on the blindfolded trilema girl
1543707;1474089086;phf;asciilifeform: i'm seeing weirdest bugs with sbcl
1543708;1474089121;asciilifeform;perhaps deserves bl0g post..?
1543709;1474089149;phf;i can load any of the patches on the v graph, but if i hit genesis (exactly same code, etc.) suddenly balloons to 1gb, and dies with heap exhaustion
1543710;1474089162;asciilifeform;i'd be curious to see if they are reproducible in 'toy' scene
1543711;1474089196;mod6;this is some wild stuff man
1543712;1474089210;asciilifeform;phf: please consider posting the src.
1543713;1474089285;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#38 <<< see also.
1543714;1474089285;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-17: [02:03:09] <asciilifeform> unless folks ~publish~ the magical bug-inducers, i am inclined to agree with the old iddish proverb
1543715;1474089299;adlai;more stuff i never learned in school: tanA + tanB + tanC = tanA * tanB * tanC
1543716;1474089309;phf;what's the old yiddish proverb?
1543717;1474089338;adlai;mann tracht und stann lacht
1543718;1474089388;asciilifeform;the one where плохому танцору... etc
1543719;1474089492;asciilifeform;now, i ~believe~ phf in re poetteringerized sbcl being a rusted chunk of ???
1543720;1474089520;asciilifeform;but gotta reproduce the bug. or we're doing the mpb thing.
1543721;1474089550;*;adlai is unfamiliar, digs, finds "When a shlimazl goes dancing, the musicians' strings break"... or maybe asciilifeform meant "girl who can't dance says music sucks"?
1543722;1474089613;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1543723;1474089676;phf;asciilifeform: well, i'll have to figure out what's going on anyway, to get it working. i was saying sbcl is poetteringerized in abstract, by lateral telltale signs. i didn't expect this code to not simply work. fwiw, despite freenode disconnects the code ~was~ working
1543724;1474089848;phf;one of the reasons i went with cmucl originally is because it has known tight memory behavior and sbcl dev equally famous stance that "memory is cheap", which, for the case of keeping log in memory, was discouraging
1543725;1474091434;ben_vulpes;phf: i miss search quite a bit.
1543726;1474091468;ben_vulpes;half compliment, half complaint.
1543727;1474091503;phf;i'll bring it back probably tonight. i've got tea pot, i've got hookah, i've got a fuck you to "no smoking in building" complaints
1543728;1474091577;ben_vulpes;that's be quite nice.
1543729;1474091799;adlai;what's with all the shitty drugs? i step away from irc-every-day for a couple months, suddenly everybody's fiending alcohol, tobacco, and firearms^H^H^Hcaffeine?
1543730;1474091892;ben_vulpes;what are good drugs?
1543731;1474091924;*;adlai is incidentally now sober for the longest he's been in weeks - and he has a loaded vape within arm's reach - so i'd say step one is not that relevant >> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160826/#219
1543732;1474091924;scriba;Logged on 2016-08-26: [06:09:42] <BingoBoingo> ;;later tell adlai You work step 1 yet?
1543733;1474091947;adlai;the only good drug is a dead drug! (only heathens lick live toads)
1543734;1474092072;adlai;obviously i don't deeply believe that drugs can be ordered objectively by any parameter (other than therapeutic index, for ones that have known LD50 in humans), but my personal favorite "good drugs" ordering would have cannabis above nicotine and caffeine, and mescaline above alcohol
1543735;1474092384;ben_vulpes;is mescaline particularly titratable?
1543736;1474092413;trinque;adlai: would you have been in a ward if you hadn't taken a bunch of drugs?
1543737;1474092421;trinque;I've done all kinds of psychedelics; just asking.
1543738;1474092445;trinque;I don't believe the "thereaputic" angle for a moment.
1543739;1474092497;adlai;oh dear, we're on to the difficult questions now. punting yours aside for a second, here's an easy question: what does the "therapeutic index" have to do with therapy? answer: none. it's LD50 (median lethal dose) divided by threshhold dose (minimum to feel effects)
1543740;1474092518;trinque;your evasion answers just fine.
1543741;1474092533;adlai;not really.
1543742;1474092587;adlai;the "just fine" answer is: "no, i was hospitalized as an indirect result of conversations which would not have gone the same way without my reaction to certain situations involving drugs"
1543743;1474092677;adlai;the more nuanced answer recognizes that i was hospitalized as a direct result of an argument, which would not have happened if i'd left the house with a sweater that morning. so... don't forget to bring a towel?
1543744;1474092693;ben_vulpes;i'm going to go out on a limb and doubt that there's enough data even on variation in human sensitivity to drugs much less by class and genotype to even be making claims about "LD50"
1543745;1474092709;trinque;aha
1543746;1474092727;adlai;~median~ lethal dose. like median height, at standard atmospheric pressure.
1543747;1474092742;ben_vulpes;if variance is high enough that number can very easily be bogus.
1543748;1474092746;adlai;but yes, there is for example no known LD50 for lsd
1543749;1474092751;ben_vulpes;i suspect variance is high.
1543750;1474092761;trinque;adlai: there's a you-go-fucking-schizoid-50
1543751;1474092851;adlai;that's a tricky claim. i've taken much, much, much larger doses than the ones that (indirectly!) led to the aforementioned bad situations. i think YGFS50 depends much more on "set and setting" than on a molecule's shape and headcount
1543752;1474092871;trinque;I've taken "heroic" doses too.
1543753;1474092876;trinque;and tripped oodles of times
1543754;1474092877;phf;i know a few people who went crazy in close connection to psychedelics, but of course no way to establish correlation/causation
1543755;1474092881;trinque;knew I was spending something each time.
1543756;1474092905;trinque;and yes, you can "go down a dangerous road" on them, and this is related to but not directly caused by dosage
1543757;1474092935;trinque;ordeal is therapeutic; psychdelics maybe if they cause a beneficial ordeal
1543758;1474092961;ben_vulpes;some people go crazy, some people have crazy high tolerances, some people even eat a shitload over a long time and then one day break, the variance is wild and statistical claims cannot be made beyond "oh fuck might hose your brain under entirely unknowable circumstances but hey have fun with the tradeoff analysis kid"
1543759;1474093013;phf;psychotic episode, later diagnosed as bipolar after ~~1 year of weekly mushroom use. split personality after one mushroom use (guy believes that the second person inside of him is god). psychotic episode after weed/lsd combination. obviously all diagnosed and hospitalized at one point or another
1543760;1474093036;adlai;my main takeaway from the 'experience' (including 46 days of involuntary commitment in the closed ward) is that there is no such thing as crazy. sure, some people are out of touch with consensus reality, but you can define that quite precisely, and a lot of "crazy" people do not meet this definition.
1543761;1474093091;ben_vulpes;wow what was the ic like
1543762;1474093108;*;adlai wouldn't be surprised if some non-"crazy" people are out of touch with consensus reality, but have learned how to fake it
1543763;1474093166;adlai;so many questions without simple answers! i'll stick to the bright side - i ~halved my kyu at go, and spent more time playing guitar than i had in the previous year, combined.
1543764;1474093189;adlai;(halving kyu = doubling skill, at least at the relevant levels)
1543765;1474093215;trinque;crazy is a blunt term for "woefully inaccurate self/world model compared to others" but certainly exists.
1543766;1474093254;trinque;that the definition changes over time... of course, because it's a statistical matter of being an outlier
1543767;1474093338;*;ben_vulpes kicks rocks, whistles, looks around, wouldn't know the first thing about being out of touch with consensus reality
1543768;1474093366;trinque;one wot's crazy is another wot's comrade?
1543769;1474093387;adlai;i don't think that an ~animal~ which avoids starvation, dehydration, ostracism, and greivous bodily harm, can be counted crazy
1543770;1474093450;trinque;that animal can be considered crazy just as a paper can be rejected by peer review.
1543771;1474093470;trinque;-or- he doesn't determine crazy; we do.
1543772;1474093527;adlai;to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
1543773;1474093565;adlai;if, however, she came here trying to get us all to form tulpas, and arguing for personhood of tulpas... then maybe.
1543774;1474093567;trinque;wtf "everyone's feelings matter" bullshit is this
1543775;1474093574;adlai;i'm actually saying that they don't.
1543776;1474093584;adlai;feelings don't make you crazy ~because~ they don't matter. actions make you crazy.
1543777;1474093619;trinque;is it a dead person's "tulpa" ?
1543778;1474093655;trinque;if your argument requires "words have no meanings" kindly fuck off.
1543779;1474093813;adlai;i respect alice's belief that her creator is dead, to the same degree that i'd respect somebody's belief in reincarnation, or resurrection, or transubstantiation. words have meaning, beliefs can be false, but you don't have to act on false beliefs. i'd count somebody who's physical actions are in touch with consensus reality as non-crazy, by the "sufficiently in touch with consensus reality to not die by
1543780;1474093815;adlai;accident" metric
1543781;1474093845;ben_vulpes;not starving is not crazy?
1543782;1474093863;trinque;so we're doing mind body duality, and mind-onanism doesn't count because ???
1543783;1474093878;ben_vulpes;i walk by some folks every morning who appear to still be alive, yet are entirely solidly insane.
1543784;1474093889;trinque;there is no fucking such creature as something which believes falsehoods and whose actions are not impacted causally by them
1543785;1474093893;adlai;the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
1543786;1474093988;ben_vulpes;odds are that $group is pretty dubm
1543787;1474094058;adlai;so, i agree that there's some definition of 'crazy' by which tulpa people are crazy, but i think it MUST also include pretty much every religion, and probably also people who have significant net worth in shitty (or any) fiat
1543788;1474094065;trinque;a piece of nonsense here is trying to create universals where the context varies widely.
1543789;1474094073;trinque;for me to stand here and starve would be insane.
1543790;1474094080;trinque;for a somalian, I don't know, maybe that's Tuesday
1543791;1474094100;adlai;then you have even greyer areas like hypnosis, or those who "believe in belief" but don't actually live by any religious commandment
1543792;1474094173;adlai;trinque: i don't think of this as mind-body duality at all. a better analogy would be the phase of some matter. if you cool it enough, it seems solid; zoom in and you see it's still moving, but not enough to break out of formation.
1543793;1474094198;trinque;wtf is the point of words but to model the world as usefully as possible
1543794;1474094212;trinque;the question of the usefulness of a tulpa cannot be posed because "tulpa" is not a thing.
1543795;1474094225;*;ben_vulpes looks sadly at his imaginary friends
1543796;1474094225;phf;what about poetry
1543797;1474094226;adlai;stupid != crazy
1543798;1474094251;trinque;adlai: a brainputer behaving as though false inputs are present is crazy.
1543799;1474094252;ben_vulpes;words are useful for parting fools from their money trinque
1543800;1474094260;ben_vulpes;aaaaaaaaay
1543801;1474094326;ben_vulpes;!#variable
1543802;1474094327;trinque;phf: I dunno that anyone claims the content of a poem exists
1543803;1474094331;ben_vulpes;!#search variable
1543804;1474094334;adlai;in fact i basically equate sanity with 'more like housewife', with the latter defined as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-08-2015#1255364, so i'd say that once you get sane enough, you're pretty stupid.
1543805;1474094334;a111;Logged on 2015-08-29 14:35 asciilifeform: turn it all the way down - you get a housewife
1543806;1474094364;trinque;rather, one that is figurative enough to enter into the insanity thread
1543807;1474094376;trinque;or we would be counting authors as madmen too
1543808;1474094385;phf;ben_vulpes: it's s, but i suppose adding "search" is not a bad idea
1543809;1474094398;*;ben_vulpes flails at the bots
1543810;1474094404;adlai;ahaha i like ben_vulpes's definition for the use of words
1543811;1474094436;*;adlai has had jobs where the obscene bulk of his produced work was words
1543812;1474094466;adlai;well, job. but it happened, and lasted for about as long as their money did.
1543813;1474094578;*;ben_vulpes off, wedding in the woods this weekend
1543814;1474094615;adlai;oh, words are also useful for sex. these days if you sex without words first, you don't pass peer review.
1543815;1474094676;trinque;the trouble of not choosing your gossipd-node peerings wisely
1543816;1474094760;phf;she speaks: o, speak again, bright angel
1543817;1474094762;adlai;obviously there are exceptions in environments where speech is impossible (language barrier, noise club, etc) but i'm gonna bbl as well, reviewing math in anticipation of next month's classes
1543818;1474094796;adlai;!#s speak!
1543819;1474094796;a111;7 results for "speak!", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=speak!
1543820;1474094804;adlai;wd phf
1543821;1474094825;adlai;!!rate phf another one bots the lisp
1543822;1474094825;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1543823;1474094857;adlai;stupid useless scalar
1543824;1474094861;adlai;!!rate phf 3 another one bots the lisp
1543825;1474094862;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/k7c5t/?raw=true
1543826;1474094966;adlai;!!v 90F444B853D4E59A1173E3C66AF0F51987D8DD012D927056B953D26EDD47EE07
1543827;1474094966;deedbot;adlai updated rating of phf from 2 to 3 << another one bots the lisp
1543828;1474094986;adlai;!!help
1543829;1474094986;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1543830;1474095044;phf;повышаю профпригодность
1543831;1474095046;adlai;closing thought - is there a way to get deedbot to barf all ratings somebody has made, other than enumerating all nicks present in the wot?
1543832;1474095103;phf;!!wot
1543833;1474095106;trinque;did you read that there help
1543834;1474095109;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/iktjr/?raw=true
1543835;1474095121;trinque;!!ratings adlai
1543836;1474095122;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/cty1h/?raw=true
1543837;1474095135;adlai;lol, neither ratings nor wot appear in that there help!
1543838;1474095139;trinque;aw crap
1543839;1474095215;trinque;fix it when I am further along this trail of gentoo tears
1543840;1474098899;phf;asciilifeform:  http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-29#1255209 << http://www.stihi-rus.ru/1/harms/31.htm
1543841;1474098899;a111;Logged on 2015-08-29 04:24 phf: biggest disappointment of my schools years, turns out that "flea balloon" idea doesn't quite work
1543842;1474099022;phf;!!up gabriel_laddel
1543843;1474099023;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1543844;1474099100;phf;to continue on this evening's drug theme, we have gabriel_laddel, take it away, gabriel
1543845;1474099124;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543759 << Ty pdf. Kids, if you are going to do drugs, be smart about it. People will try and pass off all sorts of nonsense as LSD, and some of those compounds are unsafe(?).
1543846;1474099124;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:16 phf: psychotic episode, later diagnosed as bipolar after ~~1 year of weekly mushroom use. split personality after one mushroom use (guy believes that the second person inside of him is god). psychotic episode after weed/lsd combination. obviously all diagnosed and hospitalized at one point or another
1543847;1474099160;gabriel_laddel;Actual LSD will glow purple under a blacklight, unlike all other compounds people attempt to use in its place.
1543848;1474099219;gabriel_laddel;Blotter paper with actual doses on it should be perforated so the area takes up about 1/8th of your thumbnail. Anything larger is probably going to put you in a psyc ward.
1543849;1474104008;adlai;sorry but that's silly. "real shot glasses should be 45mL. anything larger is probably going to put you in the cooler for the night"
1543850;1474104179;adlai;the note about blacklight though is spot on (but don't leave it exposed to UV (ESPECIALLY SUNLIGHT) or chlorinated water) for prolonged periods, or it'll become an inactive compound: https://isomerdesign.com/PiHKAL/explore.php?domain=tk&id=5362
1543851;1474104232;adlai;phf: speaking of 2nd-personality-gods, have you/rfriend ever heard of jaynes' bicameral mind theory?
1543852;1474104333;adlai;!!v 3F234265DF42B2885436A14C2107694E8814BC85D443E0C69A3A4062FF53198B
1543853;1474104334;deedbot;adlai rated gabriel_laddel 1 << has been helpful both in private and in [re]public
1543854;1474104439;adlai;ahaha, review of jaynes's book: "The weight of original thought in it is so great that it makes me uneasy for the author's well-being: the human mind is not built to support such a burden." - D.C. Stove, in Encounter (from http://www.julianjaynes.org/bicameralmind.php )
1543855;1474104464;adlai;another interesting-yet-plausible one is http://www.legiontheory.com/
1543856;1474104644;adlai;also relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWmv66p1XBE (text at http://electricsheep.me/concept2.html for those allergic to pixels)
1543857;1474119053;mircea_popescu;oh the logs montresor!
1543858;1474119229;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#236 << but why ? really, there's more demand for whores in the stripping and cocksucking side of the trade than in the programming side of the trade.
1543859;1474119259;mircea_popescu;and yes, waiting tables IS how you start a whore career ; no exceptions. all waitresses are apprentices of the trade.
1543860;1474120682;mircea_popescu;and in random ancient trilema links, http://trilema.com/2010/lectia-de-filosofie/
1543861;1474122827;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/kuffs/ << Trilema - Kuffs
1543862;1474124605;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543847 << so do 10,000,001 other things, including ~all types of laser print paper...
1543863;1474124605;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 07:59 gabriel_laddel: Actual LSD will glow purple under a blacklight, unlike all other compounds people attempt to use in its place.
1543864;1474124662;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543854 << novelized as stephenson's 'snow crash'
1543865;1474124662;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 09:27 adlai: ahaha, review of jaynes's book: "The weight of original thought in it is so great that it makes me uneasy for the author's well-being: the human mind is not built to support such a burden." - D.C. Stove, in Encounter (from http://www.julianjaynes.org/bicameralmind.php )
1543866;1474124881;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this "purple under a blacklight" stuff is pretty lulzy. "a blacklight" ? what wavelength is this black.
1543867;1474124905;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: americanism for 'uv-b lamp'
1543868;1474124925;mircea_popescu;iirc lsd is unstable under photon bombardment.
1543869;1474124945;asciilifeform;adlai even pointed out helpfully.
1543870;1474124992;mircea_popescu;besides, what's purple, the indole ?
1543871;1474125003;mircea_popescu;tons of other stuff have the same configuration
1543872;1474125011;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1543873;1474125026;asciilifeform;incl. the fire retardant in laser paper.
1543874;1474125032;mircea_popescu;ah yeah
1543875;1474125051;mircea_popescu;o nm, apparently others :p were well ahead here.
1543876;1474125225;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#252 << is this jewish code for you know ?
1543877;1474125415;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#271 << sure, but that's 80s ; early automotive work is you know, 50s
1543878;1474125419;mircea_popescu;iirc the patent expired in the 60s
1543879;1474125542;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#285 << practically speaking, google-gender-idiocy for metals.
1543880;1474125559;mircea_popescu;because yes, metals are rarer than shit much like few men, many redditards.
1543881;1474125576;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what happened to scriba then ?
1543882;1474125666;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#291 << which will lead to another round of rent hikes, because every loser out there will be "oh, but house is made with METALLIC components!"
1543883;1474125694;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is ridoinculous. let's try kicking it.
1543884;1474125739;mircea_popescu;hm i guess it doesn't reload either ?
1543885;1474126246;shinohai;ChanServ SET #trilema GUARD OFF ?
1543886;1474126268;shinohai;Oh but you aren't booting chanserv :P
1543887;1474126357;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what this is
1543888;1474127616;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543401 << sbcl codebase ~is~ cmucl codebase, so all the same people who wrote above wrote majority of sbcl. newman's work in adding sane bootstrapping is reproducable by doing early diffs and perhaps should come as vpatch on top of cmucl since it's particularly clean. but here's the thing, the way cmucl does bootstrapping is borrowed directly from a lisp machine, and breaks down precisely because the
1543889;1474127616;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 02:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year.
1543890;1474127616;phf;"whole machine" approach was jammed into a c vm layer. but if we were to actually attempt a lisp on hardware hack, cmucl's approach would involve considerably less complexity
1543891;1474127651;asciilifeform;phf: speaking of, i dug out my sbcl stash, oldest one appears to be 1.0.37 (loaded Mar 29  2010)
1543892;1474127685;mircea_popescu;phf what i don't understand is this bizarre notion that c has some sort of priviledged relation with asm, which is and remains the only hardware language.
1543893;1474127720;mircea_popescu;so no, no hardware hack. learn how to make machinecode lisp yes ?
1543894;1474127735;mircea_popescu;exactly same way c learned. not like the fucking stack works in c ffs.
1543895;1474127736;phf;mircea_popescu: there's machine code in cmucl, the problem is bootstrapping.
1543896;1474127748;mircea_popescu;i do not understand this bootstrapping. what bootstrapping ?
1543897;1474127751;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-05#1007663
1543898;1474127751;a111;Logged on 2015-02-05 05:06 asciilifeform: * (disassemble '(lambda (x) (+ x 3)))
1543899;1474127768;asciilifeform;thing's got a compiler.
1543900;1474127774;mircea_popescu;if the processor gets a push, the processor will push. what are you bootstrapping ?
1543901;1474127784;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you recall the 'gnat is built with gnat' thread ?
1543902;1474127789;mircea_popescu;sure.
1543903;1474127794;asciilifeform;well, that.
1543904;1474127797;asciilifeform;is what is bootstrapping.
1543905;1474127800;mircea_popescu;i do not see how it relates.
1543906;1474127806;asciilifeform;where one gets the first build.
1543907;1474127816;phf;asciilifeform: nah, that's not actually it though
1543908;1474127826;mircea_popescu;yes, one instance of your machine-lisp running on x86 will be required to compile a machine instance of your lisp. so ?
1543909;1474127826;phf;because gnat is built with gnat is related exclusively to .core
1543910;1474127827;mircea_popescu;no c involved.
1543911;1474127895;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: getting 10,001 pyramid slaves to hand-compile the compiler into asm with ~guaranteed same semantics~ as the original, isn't even a financial problem, it is problem with 'planet hasn't this number of people who can meaningfully participate'
1543912;1474127911;mircea_popescu;you need the following : a) an item which inputs lisp text and outputs opcodes ; b) and sits down on x86 bare metal. clearly to produce a running isntance of this item you will need a running instance of this item. nevertheless : you do not need c, nor any "bootstrapping" outside of this.
1543913;1474127940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gcc produces opcodes out of c. if tll can't produce optcodes out of lisp, the problem is lisp.
1543914;1474127960;asciilifeform;what's tll ?
1543915;1474127973;mircea_popescu;same thing as trb, but with lisplisp instead of cc
1543916;1474127982;asciilifeform;and again, e.g., sbcl, compiles. question is what do you compile ~it~ with
1543917;1474127990;mircea_popescu;aka "the leal lisp"
1543918;1474127996;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform itself.
1543919;1474128023;mircea_popescu;if it doesn't compile ITSELF it is not a compiler, ftr.
1543920;1474128030;mircea_popescu;it is an interpreter, or a parser, depending.
1543921;1474128034;phf;mircea_popescu: an assembly that result out of compilation is the problem
1543922;1474128041;mircea_popescu;why ?
1543923;1474128062;phf;because on assembly level you still have things like where things go, how you address those things and how you call subprocesses
1543924;1474128068;mircea_popescu;so ?
1543925;1474128101;phf;well, c-machine assembly level is not particularly good, but it's not guaranteed to be consisten either
1543926;1474128105;mircea_popescu;no, i get it, "vneumann architecture is not lisp friendly". spare me, the vagina is not cock friendly.
1543927;1474128112;mircea_popescu;point is, turning machine. equivalent to all others.
1543928;1474128113;phf;that's not what i'm saying
1543929;1474128123;mircea_popescu;say it again ?
1543930;1474128153;phf;c-machine assembly level has a certain shape to it. when you write int foo { bar(); } an assembly of a certain pattern gets spit out
1543931;1474128160;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the equivalence, in practice, is a null - different structures take vastly disproportionate effort and moving parts to implement, depending on machine design.
1543932;1474128175;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shut up and work more. phf ok. so ?
1543933;1474128211;phf;mircea_popescu: cmucl's assembly has a different pattern in order to support all the tricky-in-c-trivial-in-lisp code behaviors
1543934;1474128216;mircea_popescu;so ?
1543935;1474128216;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had a thread, but it would appear that original author of subj went into the jungle and never came out, so i dug out copy, https://web.archive.org/web/20111227150315/http://www.stripedgazelle.org/joey/dream.html << scheme r4rs interp. written in asm by hand.
1543936;1474128228;mircea_popescu;aha!
1543937;1474128259;mircea_popescu;and yes, evidently A LOT of asm by hand will go into this. guess what ? this is exactly what the fuck the early c people who made c possible in the sense of having rms hijack it 20 years later did.
1543938;1474128268;phf;mircea_popescu: so in order to bridge the gap between the two you need knowledge of both patterns. cmucl has knowledge of its own, it doesn't also want to have knowledge of all the shit that goes into gcc
1543939;1474128269;asciilifeform;much simpler animal than common lisp, or for that matter than any type of compiler. but imho it is the correct way to bootstrap.
1543940;1474128274;mircea_popescu;without this - there'd be no c, just oddly "bootstrapped" nonsense on top of who the fuck even knows.
1543941;1474128278;asciilifeform;and actually where i began when i was doing x86.
1543942;1474128285;mircea_popescu;phf this is ~nonsense.
1543943;1474128292;phf;how come?
1543944;1474128323;mircea_popescu;it's self evidently nonsense, "my dream girl does not have any center of gravity defined for her tits. i'd like to meet her."
1543945;1474128329;mircea_popescu;would you ? or wouldn't you ?
1543946;1474128428;phf;in the town of shithole everyone has to wear knee high boots because roads are made of shit, if you want to do business in that town, would wearing knee high boots, while you prefer silk slippers make any kind of sense?
1543947;1474128445;mircea_popescu;yes.
1543948;1474128471;mircea_popescu;it is way the fuck better than wearing silk-slippers-with-ten-foot-pole-extending-from-the-sole-with-boot-foot-at-other-end "bootrsrap"
1543949;1474128491;mircea_popescu;just find a way to silk-line wellingtons.
1543950;1474128542;phf;well cmucl's approach is to hire some locals to carry a palanquin
1543951;1474128578;mircea_popescu;ie, building coke machine for itself, then wondering at results.
1543952;1474128582;phf;hindsight demonstrates that this might not be the best approach, because locals keep dropping the palanquin, etc.
1543953;1474128584;asciilifeform;phf: except they are on close terms with the bottle and fall over regularly.
1543954;1474128587;asciilifeform;planting you face-down in the mud.
1543955;1474128589;phf;correct
1543956;1474128594;asciilifeform;in the end, no cleaner than if you had walked.
1543957;1474128595;mircea_popescu;dumbest approach ever,  wearing silk-slippers-with-ten-foot-pole-extending-from-the-sole-with-boot-foot-at-other-end "bootstrap" is way better.
1543958;1474128628;mircea_popescu;phf management, if half competent, could have spared you the need for hindsight. this is evidently wrong.
1543959;1474128649;phf;but some people ~also~ tried silk-lined wellingtons, and those are even worse. trinque, once he decides to read clisp source code, will realize that the thing is ~unrecoverable~ under the weight of C-specific issues
1543960;1474128660;mircea_popescu;and in general - the controlling point here is the two-jews-in-shitter joke.
1543961;1474128662;*;asciilifeform read, and knows this
1543962;1474128689;mircea_popescu;phf that some boys tried to talk to girls and didn't get anywhere is scarcely an argument.
1543963;1474128690;phf;mircea_popescu: what would be the correct approach?
1543964;1474128690;asciilifeform;pretty much every c proggy >2k or so lines is similarly unrecoverable 'under the weight.'
1543965;1474128703;phf;write whole thing in c?
1543966;1474128711;mircea_popescu;there is no need to have c specific issues in lisp. seriously. write the asm.
1543967;1474128760;asciilifeform;aaaaaand this is how mircea_popescu arrives on the island where i sat in 2010.
1543968;1474128762;mircea_popescu;you keep going back to this "my code runs in javascript via php" approach to life. it's nonsense. there's 0 need for c.
1543969;1474128766;phf;well, for what it's worth rewriting cmucl vm in asm would be a gnarly but straightforward exercise
1543970;1474128775;mircea_popescu;not a vm.
1543971;1474128775;asciilifeform;it is great island, lush vegetation, but very little edibles.
1543972;1474128798;mircea_popescu;or i guess... wtf does vm mean here ?
1543973;1474128806;mircea_popescu;is kernel a "c vm" ?
1543974;1474128822;phf;yeah, sorry that was ambigious
1543975;1474128828;phf;no
1543976;1474128829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in this context, folks often say 'vm' when they are really describing emulator of a sane cpu arch.
1543977;1474128836;phf;no!
1543978;1474128850;phf;vm in this case means something closer to x86 bios
1543979;1474128851;mircea_popescu;your application for thick condoms has been denied. rawdog that skank.
1543980;1474128951;mircea_popescu;lisp is supposed to exist out of what, six primitives or some such ? write them in asm. once you're done the job's ~done.
1543981;1474128965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that's the easy part
1543982;1474129048;phf;mircea_popescu: that's not what the layer between os and lisp does in the case of sbcl/cmucl. it explicitly doesn't do primitives, because those are, like you said, written in lisp, that's compiled into native bytecode (using VOB's, i.e. chunks for assembly)
1543983;1474129060;phf;*chunks of
1543984;1474129107;mircea_popescu;ok.
1543985;1474129112;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the difficult part is 'which skank.' it isn't 1988 and there is no standard pc arch.
1543986;1474129120;mircea_popescu;pick one.
1543987;1474129131;mircea_popescu;then pick another one.
1543988;1474129133;mircea_popescu;then keep going.
1543989;1474129152;phf;asciilifeform's arguing from a completely different architecture
1543990;1474129155;mircea_popescu;phf i'm not so sure that's what i said though.
1543991;1474129183;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is gonna be the fpga thread all over again, isnnit. fact is, the 10,001 man-years are not available, and certainly not six times every morning before breakfast.
1543992;1474129185;mircea_popescu;looky : either something's fundamentally broken with lisp, or else it has no "architecture" ; much in the way purple has no shape.
1543993;1474129187;phf;sbcl/cmucl already compiles whatever code you ask it to to native, architecture specific assembly, that's not the C layer's role
1543994;1474129207;mircea_popescu;phf so then what the fuck is the problem ?
1543995;1474129222;asciilifeform;i'ma let phf finish before i return to the iron bit.
1543996;1474129229;mircea_popescu;alright.
1543997;1474129315;phf;mircea_popescu: problem is that when you do a execution like ./foo on unix, ~unix~ expects "foo" to contain certain bits and do certain kind of work to appease unix upfront. that work is specific not to "x86" but to "linux v 1.1.2, compiled on full moon, by three blind monks"
1543998;1474129341;mircea_popescu;and in other hardware-software interactions, http://67.media.tumblr.com/5e92d02a732524921361231d041a7b34/tumblr_nptt458VbX1u1u4hvo1_400.gif
1543999;1474129351;mircea_popescu;phf there is no unix.
1544000;1474129356;mircea_popescu;what unix ?
1544001;1474129365;phf;linux
1544002;1474129369;mircea_popescu;no linux either.
1544003;1474129376;mircea_popescu;you just said, lisp compiles to native bytecode.
1544004;1474129381;phf;i did
1544005;1474129390;mircea_popescu;so then ? i didn't import any linux anything.
1544006;1474129417;phf;well, but you're trying to run it on your linux correct? or we're talking pure hardware layer
1544007;1474129421;mircea_popescu;nope.
1544008;1474129426;mircea_popescu;i am trying to run it on an x86.
1544009;1474129437;phf;but how do you start it?
1544010;1474129442;mircea_popescu;it produces asm for the x86, it runs on it.
1544011;1474129450;phf;i mean do you start it from inside a linux?
1544012;1474129460;mircea_popescu;suppose for this discussion it's already started ; else yes, you need a running machine to compile your image as we said.
1544013;1474129468;phf;no no
1544014;1474129469;mircea_popescu;no dude, forget fucking linux altogether. who cares.
1544015;1474129480;phf;but it's the whole point!
1544016;1474129495;mircea_popescu;the whole point of stupid, yes, "let's make ada work in php!"
1544017;1474129502;mircea_popescu;"it's great because well documented"
1544018;1474129505;phf;programs that have to run on linux don't behave like dos COM files
1544019;1474129511;mircea_popescu;what ?
1544020;1474129539;phf;you know dos "com", which was just a flat sequence of bytecodes and when you did foo.com it would just start executing foo.com with the first byte
1544021;1474129553;mircea_popescu;now you're going to import dos into this discussion ?
1544022;1474129570;mircea_popescu;holy hell! the processor takes opcodes. you produce the opcodes. that's it!
1544023;1474129591;phf;we agree on that point, and lisp is capable of doing this
1544024;1474129600;mircea_popescu;so then let it do this and no more.
1544025;1474129630;phf;it doesn't do anything more than that
1544026;1474129643;mircea_popescu;well i don't see any c/linux/dos/etc in here ?
1544027;1474129720;phf;are you running it on a linux system? because ~if and only if~ that you are you have to bring something extra into the picture
1544028;1474129727;mircea_popescu;i am not running it on a linux system.
1544029;1474129737;mircea_popescu;lisp is the system.
1544030;1474129806;mircea_popescu;there's the following parts : hardware, including memory, cpu, disk etc. we shall call this x86 for short, even if it's a longer story ; tll, which is a compiler. does exactly same as the gcc does in linux : takes lisp code, spits out bytecode ; and finally the lelnel, which does what the kernel does in linux.
1544031;1474129821;mircea_popescu;now, x86 i can already buy, which of tll, lelnel don't exist and what's the excuse.
1544032;1474129870;phf;well, you don't need C for that and there are no excuses
1544033;1474129882;phf;just nobody done it
1544034;1474129901;mircea_popescu;so then for shame, all these dickheads going around holding their heads in their hands and talking about dumb shit while doing no useful work.
1544035;1474129915;mircea_popescu;linux happened in a few years, need i remind you, and those were earlier, drier years.
1544036;1474129921;phf;the thing that ascii mentions he'd pay for "cmucl on hardware" explicitly involves ripping out C code and then doing necessary work to support some minimum set of x86 drivers like keyboards etc.
1544037;1474129924;asciilifeform;i blew years on it and then realized that the hardware is shit .
1544038;1474129927;mircea_popescu;tll-lelnel can exist by 2018.
1544039;1474129956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but you also realised the hardware was shit that time we went to olympus and venus asked you to fuck her.
1544040;1474129979;mircea_popescu;tell you what : the hardware's the hardware and the software's the shit.
1544041;1474129997;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the hardware is very literally shit. e.g., ever heard of acpi ?
1544042;1474129999;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543731 << All we've got is today, it works when you work it (tm)(r)
1544043;1474129999;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 05:58 adlai is incidentally now sober for the longest he's been in weeks - and he has a loaded vape within arm's reach - so i'd say step one is not that relevant >> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160826/#219
1544044;1474130109;phf;mircea_popescu: the real reason it's not been done is because it's fucking hard and nobody cared enough to spend the necessary man years
1544045;1474130113;mircea_popescu;sure, sure.
1544046;1474130125;mircea_popescu;that's also the reason steam engine wasn't done by greeks.
1544047;1474130131;mircea_popescu;too fucking smart for their god damned own good.
1544048;1474130142;asciilifeform;the other bit is, just as in the fpga thread, by the time anyone ~does~ spend the man-years, the requisite hardware is unavailable. see, e.g., 'movitz'.
1544049;1474130156;mircea_popescu;being dumb pays. being smart, not so much. hence http://trilema.com/2011/povestea-celor-trei-imparati-smecheri-si-a-celor-trei-negustori-fraieri-fabula-in-versuri-ilustrata/
1544050;1474130179;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1543758 << Stereotypical last drunk seems to be X beers and a blackout where X<4
1544051;1474130179;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:16 ben_vulpes: some people go crazy, some people have crazy high tolerances, some people even eat a shitload over a long time and then one day break, the variance is wild and statistical claims cannot be made beyond "oh fuck might hose your brain under entirely unknowable circumstances but hey have fun with the tradeoff analysis kid"
1544052;1474130182;phf;the linux approach actually's been done twice, i.e. write something shitty, but it boots and then improve it until it's somewhat ok. there's https://common-lisp.net/project/movitz/ and https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
1544053;1474130193;mircea_popescu;what killed these ?
1544054;1474130227;phf;the problem is that then you're stuck redoing many man years of rewriting cmucl/sbcl in them
1544055;1474130237;mircea_popescu;i can't parse that. say again ?
1544056;1474130275;asciilifeform;building railroad bridge out of toothpicks.
1544057;1474130284;phf;movitz and mezzano are common lisp compilers, they are just shitty ones. they are good enough to boot an os on x86, but they are missing bits (large chunks of standard) because nobody's written those
1544058;1474130296;mircea_popescu;how is this a drawback ?
1544059;1474130328;mircea_popescu;i mean, is there some fundamental reason such can't be written ? that's a problem. otherwise...
1544060;1474130362;asciilifeform;no fundamental reason. just as railway bridge could, in principle, be glued from toothpicks.
1544061;1474130397;mircea_popescu;so then it seems to be that it is an offense before the gods and an insult to man when in any discussion of lisp anyone proposes any other solution than "pick either movitz or mezzano"
1544062;1474130401;phf;i think one could take either of those and turn them into real systems, the way we did with trb, but it's the same class of work
1544063;1474130407;mircea_popescu;fuck all your dumbass sbcl cmucl mcclim et all
1544064;1474130420;asciilifeform;and the hardware ~is~ shit. boot up one of these (if you can actually get it to boot.) and say hello to 1 fps graphics, disks without dma (you don't know what these feel like until trying personally), nic that works when the moon is full strictly, etc.
1544065;1474130447;phf;i'm not sure mezzano boots on native hardware, movitz i did boot, and it's basically what you would expect out of DOS
1544066;1474130448;mircea_popescu;you apparently don't recall early linux worth twopence.
1544067;1474130449;asciilifeform;movitz is worse yet because it is ~married~ to 32-bit x86
1544068;1474130526;phf;well, only in a sense that it's written for it? i'm not sure married is the right word
1544069;1474130562;mircea_popescu;be all this as it may, time to grow up and stop pretending adult lisp is anything but these two.
1544070;1474130564;asciilifeform;phf: a MB of hand-written asm, and reliance on x86-32isms, e.g., segmentation, is 'married'.
1544071;1474130571;mircea_popescu;"emulated" toys for chitlines, dear god.
1544072;1474130573;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're dead ends.
1544073;1474130581;mircea_popescu;everything else is.
1544074;1474130585;asciilifeform;also is.
1544075;1474130590;mircea_popescu;make a third, but in this direction, not in that, if you will.
1544076;1474130598;phf;asciilifeform: oh, i thought for some reason they had civilized VOPs and such
1544077;1474130617;asciilifeform;phf: why take my word for it, thing was published, eons ago, read.
1544078;1474130633;phf;asciilifeform: that wasn't a challenge, i was just disappointed
1544079;1474130660;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu has it, the sane approach involves 0 c and 0 unix, and i came to this conclusion in '07.
1544080;1474130678;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the tasks are here in my vierws overstated. linux had the tasks as hard as described, and it did break through, on shittier internet with fewer people milling about. lisp already has c code it can read for many of the drivers etc. this is major advantage. easier job to come 2nd.
1544081;1474130735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try to understand that linux is barely a thing at runtime. whereas a lisp os has to make up for 10,001 idiocies of the hardware, e.g., lack of garbage collector, lack of type bits in every (yes) machine word that get tested on every (yes) arithmetic operation, etc.
1544082;1474130737;phf;mircea_popescu: people basically come to same conclusion, and then when it comes to putting in "2 years of living from inside an os without youtube" balk
1544083;1474130749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the two are really not comparable.
1544084;1474130762;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ye.
1544085;1474130765;asciilifeform;and if you use ANY 'c code in the drivers' you get gabriel_laddel.
1544086;1474130770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform those are not disadvantages but advantages.
1544087;1474130775;asciilifeform;spoon of shit in barrel of wine.
1544088;1474130785;mircea_popescu;and i don't propose use c code whatsoever.
1544089;1474130790;phf;asciilifeform: i suspect mp mean's "read it in c and write in your own language"
1544090;1474130793;mircea_popescu;but because you can read it, you get to see vendor magic numbers.
1544091;1474130800;mircea_popescu;phf has it.
1544092;1474130801;phf;which would be consistent with the v threads
1544093;1474130804;asciilifeform;pointing out that the intrinsic complexity far exceeds linux, bsd, whichever c os, kernel.
1544094;1474130810;mircea_popescu;eh get out.
1544095;1474130823;mircea_popescu;intrinsic addable-value far exceeds, yes, which is why we're even talking.
1544096;1474130878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: understand, addition there is no longer 'ADD rax, rbx' but a pound of type bit checks and possible code paths on failure or type-promotion etc.
1544097;1474130904;mircea_popescu;if you're not dumb you probably implement matrix-calls for functions.
1544098;1474130906;asciilifeform;things that the silicon ought to be doing. and ~WAS~ doing in 1976.
1544099;1474130935;phf;but yes, cmucl in this channel started because i was thinking of porting it to hardware. it's obviously what every lisper wants/tries to at some point. in order to achieve it though, i kind of have to read and grok and read again the code the cmucl code, which is what i've been doing..
1544100;1474130962;mircea_popescu;ie, "this our lisp os only works on processors with no less than 8 cores. because we keep all these things pre-loaded and ready to go, and then every time you try to add we do 16 checks in one tick. one op mujlti data ftw!!1"
1544101;1474131004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: believe or not, i thought of this.
1544102;1474131018;mircea_popescu;phf imagine if you will, the beauty of a system where "threads" make no sense in the first place.
1544103;1474131021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it dun work because, again, pc arch is retarded. the processors fight over the bus.
1544104;1474131031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so good for you! none of this is any sort of genius, just systematic refusal of dumbassery.
1544105;1474131040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah but they don't have to!
1544106;1474131047;asciilifeform;they share the bottleneck.
1544107;1474131054;mircea_popescu;yes but you can definitely play to it.
1544108;1474131086;mircea_popescu;in short, unwittingly perhaps, the extant x86 architecture ACTUALLY FAVOURS running a lisp machine over running a c machine.
1544109;1474131091;phf;mircea_popescu: well, from that perspective "no threads!!" is kind of irrelevant, because it's just less things to try and get operational on raw hardware. pretty sure nyef had to pull threads from sbcl when trying to get it running on raw hardware..
1544110;1474131102;asciilifeform;let's say the 8 cores operate on same memory location. how do they maintain cache coherence when writing output ?
1544111;1474131105;mircea_popescu;phf this is not at all waht i meant.
1544112;1474131119;phf;mircea_popescu: i missed the point
1544113;1474131123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also not what i meant.
1544114;1474131130;mircea_popescu;yea, this is a nutty point, so let me write it out in detail.
1544115;1474131169;mircea_popescu;in c, no checks are performed and you're welcome to go fuck yourself. consequently, c exposes internals of cpu to user, so as to better hang himself. as seen eg in case of eulora client usage of one core and a trillion other places.
1544116;1474131177;asciilifeform;no, it was a ~reasonable~ point, but when you go and try to actually implement it, on actual iron, it drives you to nuttery. because the thing is encrusted with unfathomable layer of undocumented turdolade and 'no this doesn't actually work, because fuckyou'
1544117;1474131242;mircea_popescu;in lisp as discussed here, and generally, a lot of checks are to be performed. this happens to jive well with a matrix calling system for functions and the muiticore design of cpu. because you as lisp will just a) maintain a matrix of all checks to be perfromed as functions and b) keep them permagoing on all processorss. so this way, the cpu count influences internal parallelism in the os, and thus os speed ; not program spee
1544118;1474131243;mircea_popescu;d per se. except in the benefit that its checks will progress this much faster.
1544119;1474131250;mircea_popescu;that make any sense ?
1544120;1474131343;asciilifeform;yes. and it made sense to me in '07. but not in '10 when i understood how the actual extant pc iron works.
1544121;1474131367;mircea_popescu;you documented any of these somewhere, so phf doesn't need to do himself ?
1544122;1474131370;asciilifeform;which is not at all like the naive, reasonable conception pictured here.
1544123;1474131418;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is documented, and you won't like it at all, e.g., here -- http://developer.amd.com/resources/developer-guides-manuals
1544124;1474131423;phf;well, the main question is "what's a reasonable baseline" to keep you inside the os long enough so that you can keep hacking at it
1544125;1474131426;asciilifeform;and yes, ALL of it is - unfortunately - pertinent.
1544126;1474131437;asciilifeform;there is not, and will not ever be, a 10 page useful compression of it.
1544127;1474131444;asciilifeform;the whole bag of shit is required.
1544128;1474131491;asciilifeform;i have the dead trees, they fill most of a shelf.
1544129;1474131493;phf;in case of linux reasonable baseline was a dialup telnet
1544130;1474131527;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was looking for something stictly in the following formula : as part of trying to execute subset X of task Y part of recognizable-primitive Z because so-and so, i came to the method k for theoretical reasons t1 throiugh tn ; attempting to implement it i encountered situation Q even through this makes no sense ; trying to adapt it i encountered exception Q.e1 which is contrary to design philosophy, and attempti
1544131;1474131528;mircea_popescu;ng alternative I encountered  explicit block N which etc.
1544132;1474131529;asciilifeform;phf: linux wasn't trying to multiprocessorate every arithmetic instruction etc.
1544133;1474131530;mircea_popescu;nothing else is useful.
1544134;1474131530;phf;because linus wanted to telnet to his university machine, he could do his jerking off on a remote system, while chipping away at his surrounded setup
1544135;1474131544;mircea_popescu;learn to document in that format because else we're stuck redoing your work while you sadly cry on the side.
1544136;1474131555;phf;asciilifeform: nah, different kind of reasonable baseline
1544137;1474131578;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a good chunk of what i've done here since showing up is to try and fill in the gaps in the 'pioneer with arrows in his back' part of my www.
1544138;1474131593;asciilifeform;with variable success, sure.
1544139;1474131595;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not saying you're bad
1544140;1474131611;mircea_popescu;just pointing out that without the exact formula described, knowledge's not terribly useful, and deifnitely not well communciable.
1544141;1474131687;phf;fwiw i went through the same exercise, and on account of being less of a depressive came out with different attitude
1544142;1474131695;asciilifeform;http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/42301_15h_Mod_00h-0Fh_BKDG.pdf << and before anyone asks, it is neither available in any other format, nor accurately convertible -- is sufficient illustration of my point. flip through it and weep.
1544143;1474131703;mircea_popescu;see, but this isn't supposed to be a comparison of fucking emotional states.
1544144;1474131709;mircea_popescu;good god of all goofs!
1544145;1474131733;*;mircea_popescu goes away to punish someone for something.
1544146;1474131818;*;phf is finally free to go get breakfast
1544147;1474131841;asciilifeform;lol
1544148;1474131907;phf;take movitz, take lice https://web.archive.org/web/20080624230234/http://www.emmett.ca/~sabetts/, add tcpip stack to it, add irc. what else one needs for tmsr-ing
1544149;1474131969;asciilifeform;phf: we don't even have sane vga on ~linux~ yet.
1544150;1474131997;asciilifeform;(i.e. sans proprietary turds)
1544151;1474132021;phf;if bios driven 640x480 is good enough for terry davis, it's good enough for me
1544152;1474132028;asciilifeform;cue mircea_popescu: 'it works great on my t40! 640x480 is enough for anyone'
1544153;1474132078;asciilifeform;phf: it is possible to make a useful machine with 0 video (serves x11 over nic).
1544154;1474132088;asciilifeform;phf: unfortunately is is ~not~ possible to do without, e.g., disk dma.
1544155;1474132099;asciilifeform;not if you want to do anything resembling, say, bitcoin node.
1544156;1474132103;asciilifeform;or logs db. or, or.
1544157;1474132107;phf;nfs :>
1544158;1474132110;asciilifeform;lolfs.
1544159;1474132118;phf;genera it up all the way
1544160;1474133012;asciilifeform;i worked at a rupturefarm once where we made a massive cluster of diskless boxen.
1544161;1474133020;asciilifeform;the realities, as often is, differ from the idealities.
1544162;1474133058;asciilifeform;link - saturates.
1544163;1474133073;phf;oh yeah of course
1544164;1474133113;asciilifeform;and box that has persistent storage drop out from under it, ever, for any reason, is in a sad state.
1544165;1474133125;asciilifeform;and with networked 'disk' this is a regular thing.
1544166;1474133235;phf;if i were to bootstrap a lisp os from nothingness, i'd just save-lisp over network (or to a drive, depending on which one i figure out how to do first) every once in a while, and yes it's eww and completely suboptimal, but it'll be enough for me for a "i can do practical shit with this system"
1544167;1474133273;asciilifeform;how will you save the nic state registers ?
1544168;1474133286;asciilifeform;the disk controller's ?
1544169;1474133298;asciilifeform;good chunk of'em aren't even memory-mapped.
1544170;1474133307;asciilifeform;(and many of the ones that are, don't read correctly)
1544171;1474133354;asciilifeform;lemme guess, your save-lisp would just ignore the peripherals, which get inited every time.
1544172;1474133358;asciilifeform;welcome to lisp on linux.
1544173;1474133370;asciilifeform;where there's a lisp layer and a liquishit layer.
1544174;1474133417;asciilifeform;and massive layer of gas mask (with many holes) between them.
1544175;1474133424;phf;yes.
1544176;1474133436;phf;slightly less liquid shit though :p
1544177;1474133442;asciilifeform;i'm not convinced.
1544178;1474133450;phf;weren't you saying something about cleaning latriness
1544179;1474133465;asciilifeform;cleaning has a meaning
1544180;1474133471;asciilifeform;thing gets ~less dirty~
1544181;1474133662;phf;fwiw save-lisp of nic state and disk controller state is always a question of degree. either will have to be re-initialized in general, same way as it's careless and possibly meaningless to "save state of running lathe with a component"
1544182;1474133748;asciilifeform;let's do what mircea_popescu asked and work a concrete example.
1544183;1474133772;asciilifeform;i hunted for years and found what imho is the simplest GB/s-capable nic, the rt8168. here is the linux driver, https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/tree/master/src
1544184;1474133810;asciilifeform;https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/blob/master/src/r8168_n.c << 13,255 lines alone
1544185;1474133827;asciilifeform;and a good chunk of it is https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/blob/master/src/r8168_n.c#L11871
1544186;1474133843;asciilifeform;(1000s of lines of magicola)
1544187;1474133887;asciilifeform;i actually sat for 6 months or so and reimplemented this thing in asm
1544188;1474133896;asciilifeform;and ended up with a thing that, per the data sheet, ought to work, but never did.
1544189;1474133919;phf;why asm??
1544190;1474133942;phf;write a handful of systems level vops, write rest in lisp
1544191;1474133959;asciilifeform;phf: the thing needs real-time interrupt handling just to init.
1544192;1474133978;asciilifeform;and evidently i kept missing some detail.
1544193;1474134000;asciilifeform;none of the warmup process is in any sense debuggable, either
1544194;1474134009;asciilifeform;if the thing dun go, there is physically no way to determine why it dun go.
1544195;1474134033;asciilifeform;i suspect that NO ONE has ever drivered this thing from scratch. not the winblows folks, either.
1544196;1474134039;asciilifeform;everybody simply took vendor's magic routines.
1544197;1474134039;phf;can you attempt a warm up multiple times without power cycling?
1544198;1474134045;asciilifeform;phf: nope. it wedges.
1544199;1474134065;asciilifeform;oh did i mention that the pci bus has to be correctly set up also ?
1544200;1474134077;asciilifeform;and if you think the bios does this for you, you're probably posting from 1995.
1544201;1474134141;asciilifeform;oh and witness the sheer number of busy-waits, e.g., https://github.com/mtorromeo/r8168/blob/master/src/r8168_n.c#L4885
1544202;1474134142;phf;why would i think that? i'd probably go to a lesser N/s target until i can get it to work
1544203;1474134149;asciilifeform;any and all of these are opportunities for deadlocking.
1544204;1474134174;asciilifeform;phf: what target ?
1544205;1474134176;phf;until i can get ~that~ to work rather. then i wouldn't be as pressed to get r8168 working or bust
1544206;1474134182;asciilifeform;there ISN'T a 'simple' nic.
1544207;1474134184;asciilifeform;that you can buy.
1544208;1474134191;asciilifeform;it is a mythical thing, that does not exist on the market.
1544209;1474134197;asciilifeform;they are ALL at least as bad as linked item.
1544210;1474134213;asciilifeform;i had ~all the extant ones brought in (this was a commercial project) and obtained data sheets, etc.
1544211;1474134264;phf;i've had on linux nic drivers before and in 2005 or so not all of them were 20k+ lines that's for sure
1544212;1474134270;phf;*hacked on
1544213;1474134328;asciilifeform;oh did i mention that i surveyed other folks' attempts, e.g., https://github.com/ReturnInfinity/BareMetal-OS/blob/master/os/drivers/net/rtl8169.asm
1544214;1474134347;asciilifeform;^ does not successfully run any example of the actual chip i was able to get my hands on.
1544215;1474134361;asciilifeform;this is the kind of thing that drives folks to the bottle, to the nuthouse.
1544216;1474134457;phf;i'm not convinced that this is not the case of "mp's t40 is too old and slow"
1544217;1474134480;asciilifeform;phf: if you'd like to try to, e.g., bitcoin, on a 10M nic, be my guest.
1544218;1474134501;phf;ha
1544219;1474134507;asciilifeform;(not even speaking of network disk! or x11 etc.)
1544220;1474134523;phf;ha!
1544221;1474134542;asciilifeform;or serving up www.
1544222;1474134546;asciilifeform;under ddos.
1544223;1474134552;phf;you're just shifting targets here
1544224;1474134564;asciilifeform;nope. describing the various uses of a comp
1544225;1474134583;asciilifeform;at any rate, i would have implemented a 10baseT nic driver, IF ANYONE COULD SOURCE THE FUCKING CHIP
1544226;1474134586;asciilifeform;no one could.
1544227;1474134592;asciilifeform;outside of museum.
1544228;1474134609;phf;if your nic can't accomodate for those things, then your computer can't do those things, but it might not be a problem for the first year
1544229;1474134640;asciilifeform;again, this isn't a case of 'it'll be a 10baseT until i get around to X', it's a case of 'init or go cry'
1544230;1474134651;asciilifeform;the thing doesn't fallback to some 'pretent it is 1995' mode
1544231;1474134658;asciilifeform;where you don't need the 30k lines.
1544232;1474134662;asciilifeform;*pretend
1544233;1474134697;phf;ok, you've convinced me that all is hopeless and there's no point in trying
1544234;1474134705;asciilifeform;well, if anyone can find me a nic !
1544235;1474134717;asciilifeform;it is possible to make a very useful box where ONLY cpu/ram and nic work.
1544236;1474134725;asciilifeform;can even do without disk, for certain applications
1544237;1474134765;asciilifeform;(it can, e.g, readily serve www, or even gossipd etc)
1544238;1474134834;asciilifeform;working with the 8168 woke me up to the fact that i was wrong when naively thought that hardware were still made by sane folk
1544239;1474134835;asciilifeform;it isn't
1544240;1474134863;asciilifeform;consider how the thing expects real-time (1000s/sec) interrupt handling, but ALSO has 1,001 places where you must busy-wait for some register bit to flip
1544241;1474134866;asciilifeform;before you can proceed
1544242;1474134877;asciilifeform;and this is absolutely sop.
1544243;1474134879;phf;ok, but nobody here thinks that, the whole point i'm trying to make is that there are ways to overcome the ennui to do what needs to be done
1544244;1474134932;asciilifeform;how? by masamuneing the thing into a c turd ?
1544245;1474134937;asciilifeform;no thx.
1544246;1474134957;asciilifeform;for one thing, you're then stuck with linux's pci and interrupt stack.
1544247;1474134986;phf;why would i even entertain that thought, it should be quiet clear at this point that i've at no point suggested or plan to use C in a lisp os
1544248;1474134994;asciilifeform;well let's work the example phf
1544249;1474135000;phf;no way
1544250;1474135000;asciilifeform;how would you deal with the nic
1544251;1474135017;asciilifeform;and if your answer is 'buy another one' i'm all ears
1544252;1474135019;asciilifeform;and wallet - open
1544253;1474135019;phf;you're saying it's straight up impossible (or approaching that) to get, say, movitz doing networking on real hardware hardware, and i'm calling shenanigans
1544254;1474135050;phf;in terms of what movitz offers of course (without bringing in pre-compiled C blobs)
1544255;1474135113;asciilifeform;it isn't impossible, there were various experiments, e.g., https://github.com/dym/movitz/blob/master/losp/x86-pc/dp8390.lisp
1544256;1474135130;asciilifeform;but they involved iron that is no longer obtainable in any qty.
1544257;1474135156;asciilifeform;to the point that i have nfi even if the linked driver runs at all.
1544258;1474135161;phf;any meaning 1, >1, >10, >tmsr army size?
1544259;1474135172;asciilifeform;8390 was a product in 1995.
1544260;1474135212;phf;well, main question is what you going to plug isa into :p
1544261;1474135228;asciilifeform;the spittoon, phf, is in one strand.
1544262;1474135261;asciilifeform;!#s spittoon
1544263;1474135262;a111;47 results for "spittoon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spittoon
1544264;1474135287;asciilifeform;>> http://pastebin.com/rG1TxJt2 << oblig.
1544265;1474135292;phf;all that analogy did for me is that every time i think asciilifeform, i remember the fucking spittoon
1544266;1474135304;asciilifeform;lel
1544267;1474135319;phf;sort of like there was always that one kid who'd eat bugs on a dare
1544268;1474135336;asciilifeform;nah that's many. the one kid is that one who eats bugs without dare.
1544269;1474135343;phf;:D
1544270;1474135445;asciilifeform;http://www.osdever.net/documents/WritingDriversForTheDP8390.pdf?the_id=56 << back in the day, they even had asm snippets in the ds.
1544271;1474135535;phf;pretty sure tits used to be bigger too
1544272;1474135569;asciilifeform;now switching from the depressive tack, to the crackpot track, i ~did~ get high speed uart going on one of those all-in-one amd64 boxes.
1544273;1474135578;asciilifeform;so potentially we could 'scheme in asm with uart' on that.
1544274;1474135584;asciilifeform;and go from it, to ???., very slowly.
1544275;1474135616;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#292 << test
1544276;1474135625;mircea_popescu;god damn it.
1544277;1474135648;mircea_popescu;so apparently every saturday is "mp can't process logs" day.
1544278;1474135677;phf;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#292
1544279;1474135678;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 03:34 trinque hums don't fear the reaper
1544280;1474135686;phf;i can just leave this on, until his bot is operational
1544281;1474135690;mircea_popescu;ty.
1544282;1474135698;mircea_popescu;now let's catch up with this monster.
1544283;1474135803;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#308 << i thought we had this encrypted-drive vs encrypted-file megatheread, but anyway. the notion of an encrypted ~container~ is fundamentally braindamaged. stick to encrypting items.
1544284;1474135804;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 03:37 trinque: braindamaged thing uses the same command to init a drive as attach the softraid again next time
1544285;1474137055;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interestingly enough, we had this thread prior to the 'block ciphers don't even exist' thread.
1544286;1474137112;asciilifeform;so at the time, the logical objection was 'pwned comp will merrily present the familiar pw prompt and decrypt for enemy'
1544287;1474137125;asciilifeform;to which there was a counter, 'cipher with hardware interposer between disk and comp'
1544288;1474137138;asciilifeform;but block ciphers, it turns out, don't exist...
1544289;1474137215;mircea_popescu;aha.
1544290;1474137258;mircea_popescu;though if you re-read, that objection was there, unexpressed.
1544291;1474137295;asciilifeform;objection was, fundamentally, 'os that prompts for pw is promisetronic, can retain pw if it wants'
1544292;1474137301;asciilifeform;which is 100% factual.
1544293;1474137363;mircea_popescu;and also that "enemy will decrypt your disk and fuck you"
1544294;1474137385;asciilifeform;thread was about ~how~ enemy decrypt and fucks
1544295;1474137403;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#345 << actually, coca cola.
1544296;1474137403;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:18 ben_vulpes: just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench.
1544297;1474137416;asciilifeform;phosphoric acid
1544298;1474137434;asciilifeform;(active ingredient in, e.g., 'naval jelly', which i dare say works better)
1544299;1474137502;mircea_popescu;he doesn't have a toolbox ; but he does have all the convenience of convenience stores!
1544300;1474137532;asciilifeform;even in hogmilklandia one can buy phosophoric acid without corn syrup. for now.
1544301;1474137536;asciilifeform;*phosphoric
1544302;1474137737;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#348 << it's entirely unclear to me why you think the hieroglyph is noteworthy. sure, in the context of "let's draw hyeroglyphs", it's as good as many other alternatives. in the context of "let's describe basic trigonometry", it's not particularly useful. and you'll realise this the moment you break out of tedtalktardism "i'll rely on the margins of the box as drawn by magic hand for absolut
1544303;1474137737;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:18 adlai has been reviewing math towards next month's semester start. just encountered a beautiful "fits in head" derivation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:AngleAdditionDiagramSine.svg
1544304;1474137738;mircea_popescu;e truthiness and just follow the hand", such pinnacle of achievement in imbecility, and try to fucking draw the outer square yourself.
1544305;1474137765;mircea_popescu;"oh, with provided premeasured tools this table is just long enough" hurr.
1544306;1474137780;asciilifeform;euclid nervously smokes in the corner
1544307;1474137821;mircea_popescu;no but really. "given the circle cvadrature, isn't this escherian trestlework ever so informative ?"
1544308;1474137881;mircea_popescu;this is what your dumbass "modern democracy" aka "human rights" aka "illuminism" aka "usg" aka "eu" aka "western civilisation" aka dumb shit is doing for you : gives you a pen.
1544309;1474137894;mircea_popescu;wherein to run around like headless chickens. if a headless chicken.
1544310;1474137961;phf;euclid's elements are literate, if you look at the extant copies, they have drawings of shapes with labels, but all the details are otherwise in text
1544311;1474137962;mircea_popescu;"we are the premiere science and technology institution in the world. and we can't light a lightbulb. both of these for the exact same reason - we "learned" from wikipedia, ted talks, and other inept contrivances."
1544312;1474137985;mircea_popescu;phf more fucking importantly, it contains no hidden bits. such as "how did you build the square"
1544313;1474138006;mircea_popescu;every drawing in euclid's a REAL drawing.
1544314;1474138030;mircea_popescu;because the man's brain wasn't rotten by virtuality, and fetishism, and ustardism.
1544315;1474138098;asciilifeform;one of these days i'd like to learn who rotted j. c. maxwell's brain, and with what
1544316;1474138118;mircea_popescu;what are you talking aboot ?
1544317;1474138126;asciilifeform;( recall, herr maxwell was quite unable to visualize the system he worked with, without resorting to mechanical - yes - gears and pulleys )
1544318;1474138139;mircea_popescu;that's not the problem here discussed.
1544319;1474138157;mircea_popescu;the problem here discussed is when the fucking chickens are shown an impossible object and they cluck right along, "oh, look how great".
1544320;1474138165;asciilifeform;in part it was. it is how he came up with the terrifyingly ugly 20-equations-in-20-unknowns thing
1544321;1474138187;mircea_popescu;maybe. /me didn't know the man.
1544322;1474138210;asciilifeform;in re the chickens, i cannot disagree, they are clucking not so far from where i sit, at the local 'university'
1544323;1474138247;mircea_popescu;this is "if chicken were spherical and in vacuum"++. "if building cvadrature of circle is trivial, then here's a drawing for adding angles"
1544324;1474138263;mircea_popescu;"and if your mother had any taste you wouldn't be here."
1544325;1474138450;mircea_popescu;anyway. i guess unintentionally the problem with pictographics ("it hides things from you! they came bite you in ass latere!") was yet again, for the uncountablyest time, shown in all its nude glory.
1544326;1474138551;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-6-tmr/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 6 (TM)(R)
1544327;1474138616;asciilifeform;'But if blockchain is to move beyond cryptocurrency and lab experiments to real and profitable deployments, we need to challenge conventional orthodoxy and rethink the role of absolute immutability. Perhaps we will then soon be able to read more about blockchain’s achievements rather than its potential.' << l0l!!
1544328;1474138618;asciilifeform;gold.
1544329;1474138647;asciilifeform;'One thing is clear: If the financial services industry is to embrace a new technology, it cannot be one in which mischief and mistakes are immutable and fraudsters can defend their actions on spurious ideological grounds. '
1544330;1474138669;asciilifeform;i thought #1 rule of 'unhappening' an event was to ~stop prattling on about it~
1544331;1474138679;asciilifeform;but apparently i have nfi 'HOW WORLD WORX' etc.
1544332;1474138771;mircea_popescu;what the fuck.
1544333;1474138781;mircea_popescu;"real and profitable experiments" PAST cryptocurrency ?
1544334;1474138792;mircea_popescu;tell you what, nothing the us did this year compares. what the fuck is with the pinoy.
1544335;1474138921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where did ytou even get the turd from ?
1544336;1474138946;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo's 'roundup'
1544337;1474138949;asciilifeform;where else.
1544338;1474138969;asciilifeform;2nd link in latest qntra.
1544339;1474138974;asciilifeform;or rather 1st
1544340;1474139049;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#362 << aha ? so ?
1544341;1474139050;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: in other not-quite-noose, 'To every pair p, q of distinct primes there correspond 9 positive integers x no larger than pq such that x^c ≡ x mod (pq) for every odd positive integer c. Therefore these 9 messages x are unconcealable in any Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystem which has the product pq for its encoding modulus.'
1544342;1474139077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so - lulzy if you 'get lucky'
1544343;1474139117;mircea_popescu;"there are 9 4096 bit strings for any given privkey to which you can not encrypt or decrypt."
1544344;1474139127;asciilifeform;mno, that's not it
1544345;1474139133;mircea_popescu;this kinda follows from definitions, and moreover ... the odds, montresor.
1544346;1474139138;asciilifeform;to which encryption == plaintext.
1544347;1474139143;mircea_popescu;right.
1544348;1474139158;asciilifeform;and yes, odds are ~= asteroid.
1544349;1474139168;asciilifeform;linked as an arithmetical curio strictly.
1544350;1474139307;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#377 << because what'd they say, that they believe themselves useless and a scourge upon the local community ?
1544351;1474139308;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:33 asciilifeform: 'While details of Cook’s actions and the alleged threat have not been publicly released, law enforcement officials have said they believe the threat was real, but has been stopped by Cook’s arrest. “There’s been no evidence to suggest the involvement of anyone else locally and no evidence that I’m aware of that indicates anyone is on their way here,” Gibbons said. “The intervention happened early enough to prevent this
1544352;1474139418;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#397 << this has been pretty lulzy.
1544353;1474139418;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:40 covertress: mircea_popescu: i regret to inform you that i will not be attending our dinner 26-Sept
1544354;1474139474;phf;"dhs prevents countless terrorist attacks each year, which we are not at liberty to discuss as they will compromise ongoing and future investigations"
1544355;1474139532;mircea_popescu;doh.
1544356;1474139539;asciilifeform;death ray plot!1111111
1544357;1474139553;mircea_popescu;countless in the sense of exactly 0.
1544358;1474139571;mircea_popescu;which technically denotes a countable countless  set.
1544359;1474139571;asciilifeform;remember, remember, the nth of shitember, the deathray treason and plot! i know of no reason, why deathray treason, should ever be forgot!11111111
1544360;1474139741;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1520239 << the entry point of this mysterious "our dinner 26-sept".
1544361;1474139741;a111;Logged on 2016-08-12 23:24 mircea_popescu: get in touch when you're here, i'll send someone to pick you up or such covertress .
1544362;1474139786;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#409 << bwahahaha what ?
1544363;1474139787;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:45 adlai: i thought the EFF was suing mircea_popescu
1544364;1474139848;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#402 << i have nfi who "patrick" is, but if it's that douchebag murck involved with the vesseness "bitcoin foundation" scam, he has a lot bigger problems than idly posturing around ethereum's corpse/propellerhat
1544365;1474139849;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:43 covertress: mircea_pepescu: i had wished to convey Patrick's offer to represent you against the EF.
1544366;1474139931;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#413 << the logs dun scale huh. shall we have to introduce per-line fees ? :D
1544367;1474139932;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:46 phf: adlai: same code and data that was taking up ~~500mb with cmucl blew up lispworks to 4gb, and now blowing up sbcl to 1gb, which results in heap exhaustion errors, despite the fact that there's still extra heap available
1544368;1474140018;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust deedbot covertress
1544369;1474140018;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 4 connections.
1544370;1474140024;mircea_popescu;works.
1544371;1474140063;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#455 << why ?
1544372;1474140064;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:54 adlai always feels some sorrow when people (lowercase 'P') faceplant over these hurdles
1544373;1474140195;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#475 << ahahaha ok this was pretty epic.
1544374;1474140196;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 04:59 covertress: i reject your reality, and submit my own
1544375;1474140211;mircea_popescu;are you operating under admirality law adlai ?
1544376;1474140387;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#509 << thanks! and remember - September, the International Women Discarded As Garbage Day! do your bit to raise awareness!
1544377;1474140387;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 05:08 mod6: fwiw, nice tit(s) on the blindfolded trilema girl
1544378;1474140412;mod6;haha, ok!
1544379;1474140506;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#518 << i dunno what school you went to ; but think about the geometric meaning of tan for a second.
1544380;1474140506;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 05:14 adlai: more stuff i never learned in school: tanA + tanB + tanC = tanA * tanB * tanC
1544381;1474140595;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#527 << this is such idiocy. what cheap. seriously, it's cheap ? any of these jokers ever stood down system with tb ram or what exactly are they on about.
1544382;1474140596;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 05:24 phf: one of the reasons i went with cmucl originally is because it has known tight memory behavior and sbcl dev equally famous stance that "memory is cheap", which, for the case of keeping log in memory, was discouraging
1544383;1474140730;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#530 << motherfucker. one day i'm going to find the lame dumbass who told bored middleaged women they have any business involving themselves in the political process and feed him to baby turtles.
1544384;1474140731;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 05:51 phf: i'll bring it back probably tonight. i've got tea pot, i've got hookah, i've got a fuck you to "no smoking in building" complaints
1544385;1474140840;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#532 << i was dry until about halfway through the log, at which point went and poured myself some cognac. this stuff promotes drunkedness, tis clear.
1544386;1474140841;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 05:56 adlai: what's with all the shitty drugs? i step away from irc-every-day for a couple months, suddenly everybody's fiending alcohol, tobacco, and firearms^H^H^Hcaffeine?
1544387;1474140932;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#546 << wait, did you bust some dude's face ?
1544388;1474140933;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:11 adlai: the more nuanced answer recognizes that i was hospitalized as a direct result of an argument, which would not have happened if i'd left the house with a sweater that morning. so... don't forget to bring a towel?
1544389;1474140966;mircea_popescu;or are you the weird sort that assaults the woman for cheating rather than the dude she's cheating with.
1544390;1474141060;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#547 << wait, what ? you somehow believe the same helping of paracetamol kills all people or somesuch ? because what, you've seen on tv that the same gunshot hole kills all people ?
1544391;1474141061;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:11 ben_vulpes: i'm going to go out on a limb and doubt that there's enough data even on variation in human sensitivity to drugs much less by class and genotype to even be making claims about "LD50"
1544392;1474141178;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#554 << how to correctly allocate which doses correspond to which effects is, of course, a science reserved for the truly heroic.
1544393;1474141179;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:14 adlai: that's a tricky claim. i've taken much, much, much larger doses than the ones that (indirectly!) led to the aforementioned bad situations. i think YGFS50 depends much more on "set and setting" than on a molecule's shape and headcount
1544394;1474141361;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#562 << let's instead talk of bridges. badly designed brigde will collapse in rush hour. or maybe not in rush hour. or maybe while closed for repairs, because heavy winds. or maybe just of old age. or perhaps for other reasons. however you model psychoactives - as cars, or as winds ; however you model other people being assholes, cars, winds - fact remains that the less it's used the less it
1544395;1474141362;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:16 phf: psychotic episode, later diagnosed as bipolar after ~~1 year of weekly mushroom use. split personality after one mushroom use (guy believes that the second person inside of him is god). psychotic episode after weed/lsd combination. obviously all diagnosed and hospitalized at one point or another
1544396;1474141362;mircea_popescu; collapses, the better it's built the less it collapses and that finally age conquers all.
1544397;1474141428;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as it's a bridge, use it for car traffic rather than as a wind foil ; and pray the architect wasn't a whore fucking drunks. that's about all.
1544398;1474141479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: poor model. dynamic system, like jet fighter, not static, like bridge.
1544399;1474141492;asciilifeform;and similar faustian deal.
1544400;1474141499;asciilifeform;as the jet.
1544401;1474141509;mircea_popescu;sure, sure.
1544402;1474141514;mircea_popescu;bridge is dynamic system though. just slow.
1544403;1474141522;asciilifeform;see the 'housewife sanity' thread.
1544404;1474141534;mircea_popescu;(yes all bridges move. no such thing as a rigid bridge since many years nao)
1544405;1474141540;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~built~ to be maximally static.
1544406;1474141549;mircea_popescu;the brain is built to be maximally static.
1544407;1474141565;asciilifeform;mno. it learns,
1544408;1474141566;asciilifeform;.
1544409;1474141575;mircea_popescu;this does not settle the point.
1544410;1474141595;mircea_popescu;that it provides you with the delusion of learning to match the societal hallucination of "progress" doth not mean it moved.
1544411;1474141670;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha delusion lolk we had the 'man spends life learning to be a mouse' thread already, n times
1544412;1474141683;mircea_popescu;not what was necessarily meant.
1544413;1474141698;mircea_popescu;but notice that the child "learning" to, eg, walk, is hardly something YOU give it. from outside like.
1544414;1474141737;asciilifeform;hey i said 'learns' not 'taught'
1544415;1474141742;mircea_popescu;just as well could say "and when i was three i put toddling things aside and took my place as king of the walking"
1544416;1474141756;mircea_popescu;yes, but there wasn't any movement there.
1544417;1474141792;asciilifeform;aaah now i gotta go and buy new gas mask canister, lel, bbl.
1544418;1474141884;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#562 << fwiw there's no psychotic ouverture of bipolar. 1st case mostly sounds as usgistan "let's call it something"/
1544419;1474141885;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:16 phf: psychotic episode, later diagnosed as bipolar after ~~1 year of weekly mushroom use. split personality after one mushroom use (guy believes that the second person inside of him is god). psychotic episode after weed/lsd combination. obviously all diagnosed and hospitalized at one point or another
1544420;1474141959;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#568 << if this were true we'd be keeping most of the us in white cells.
1544421;1474141960;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:20 trinque: crazy is a blunt term for "woefully inaccurate self/world model compared to others" but certainly exists.
1544422;1474142004;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#572 << ostracism is maybe a matter of being crafty, but crazy dun enter into it.
1544423;1474142005;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:23 adlai: i don't think that an ~animal~ which avoids starvation, dehydration, ostracism, and greivous bodily harm, can be counted crazy
1544424;1474142068;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#575 << yes, actually, it does. identity confusion is literally being crazy. it's one thing to have notions about supernatural forces which may help you through shamanism or going to church. it's another to believe you're "really" the other gender etc.
1544425;1474142068;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:25 adlai: to pick a concrete example, if that alice0meta thinks she's a dead person's tulpa, that in and of itself, doesn't make her out of touch with consensus reality, any more than some people believe in http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_life_of_jesus/the_empty_tomb/jn20_01.html
1544426;1474142166;mircea_popescu;evidently, not all crazy requires medical support ; and often the nuts are quite subclinical. but anyway.
1544427;1474142418;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#588 << they're just inept. crazy discusses the subjective reflection of reality ; not much else. can die as perfectly sane inept losers. the quoted south african ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 ) is a fine example of such. you can equally well be insane, a la arthur blair. "oh, i am an english socialist, though socialsm is necessarily the end of being english, and i'm aware of t
1544428;1474142419;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
1544429;1474142419;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:31 adlai: the definition isn't watertight yet, since it counts somebody who starves due to famine as crazy... but then again, mircea_popescu counts poor somalians as stupid, so ~shrug~
1544430;1474142419;mircea_popescu;his."
1544431;1474142544;mircea_popescu;"liberals" are insane by simple virtue of being liberals, working on the exact same orwellian rails ; and "transgender" derps by simple virtue of gender confusion. a bunch of indian peons dying in a stampede aren't insane, partly because they're too poor to be insane, partly because they're too stupid to be insane. admitting these can even be distinct.
1544432;1474142610;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#599 << yes, what about it ?
1544433;1474142611;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:37 phf: what about poetry
1544434;1474142664;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#608 << this merely confuses (and counterproductively) the self-doubt of the intelligent virgin boy with the self-confusion of the nut.
1544435;1474142682;mircea_popescu;these aren't the same thing ; even if admittedly the virginal youth is ill equipped to see the difference.
1544436;1474142717;mircea_popescu;(male virginity, in this context, is resolved strictly through taking ownership of women and other things ; not through "having sex", especially if that's practiced as some sort of mutual play)
1544437;1474143025;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#627 << you failing to read the manual doesn't make the scalar stupid or useless. F.
1544438;1474143025;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 06:47 adlai: stupid useless scalar
1544439;1474143200;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#656 << which, of course, was discussed in logs as well as http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/
1544440;1474143201;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 09:23 adlai: phf: speaking of 2nd-personality-gods, have you/rfriend ever heard of jaynes' bicameral mind theory?
1544441;1474143219;mircea_popescu;so i guess that's ANOTHER F for adlai ; to celebrate his first day back to "all day ircing".
1544442;1474143260;mircea_popescu;careful you don't follow covertress on the path to housewifry, jew.
1544443;1474143614;shinohai;afaik she failed at housewifery too
1544444;1474144243;mircea_popescu;ah ?
1544445;1474145065;BingoBoingo;That would explain a lot.
1544446;1474145621;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#958 << lol i hope you enjoyed it.
1544447;1474145621;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 17:03 phf is finally free to go get breakfast
1544448;1474145699;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#960 << the question is not without merit. with irc and rsa one should be all set ; seeing how trinque is working to put bitcoin payments into deedbot ; the bots read lines and etc...
1544449;1474145713;mircea_popescu;seems to me a fine definition of "working computer" is irc+rsa.
1544450;1474145756;mircea_popescu;and seeing how the "irc" side is vaguely slated for replacement by the end of the decade ; and it should be bouncer-mediated anyway, just plaintext-net works as an "irc"
1544451;1474145775;mircea_popescu;curl, tail and rsa.
1544452;1474145913;mod6;im gonna get me one of these xilinx boards.
1544453;1474146061;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1001 << this is a very useful sort of datapoint. didja write / are you writing an article with details ? publish the resulyting driver ? discussion ? etc ?
1544454;1474146062;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 17:38 asciilifeform: and ended up with a thing that, per the data sheet, ought to work, but never did.
1544455;1474146065;mircea_popescu;!!up framedr_ghetto
1544456;1474146065;deedbot;framedr_ghetto voiced for 30 minutes.
1544457;1474146076;mircea_popescu;hello from rome. how is the ghetto ?
1544458;1474146116;framedr_ghetto;hah! greetings from ned territory.
1544459;1474146131;framedr_ghetto;i'm on a guest network with no access to server. i don't know why scriba is acting up. shall be investigated tomorrow but not before
1544460;1474146142;framedr_ghetto;the one day when btcbase was being updated and scriba was wanted, it failed. :/
1544461;1474146150;framedr_ghetto;phf: thanks for making a111 quote mkj log lines
1544462;1474146185;mircea_popescu;it should you know, rejoin if dc'd. and etc.
1544463;1474146192;framedr_ghetto;mircea_popescu: you in rome for real, or some elaborate etymological joke?
1544464;1474146207;mircea_popescu;see, cause the capitol of the republic and of the entire world.
1544465;1474146219;mircea_popescu;the place all roads lead to.
1544466;1474146224;framedr_ghetto;mircea_popescu: it rejoins if it loses connection to freenode; it tries to re-self-voice if it detects it does not have voice anymore. it does not rejoin chan if it gets kicked. will be fixed.
1544467;1474146233;framedr_ghetto;right, right!
1544468;1474146247;mircea_popescu;framedr_ghetto it's a very cheap signal of "you're drunk", which should be used to reset its state
1544469;1474146267;framedr_ghetto;absolutely.
1544470;1474146271;framedr_ghetto;!$ hello
1544471;1474146271;scriba;Hello, world! My uptime is 3:56:58.
1544472;1474146275;framedr_ghetto;hrmgh.
1544473;1474146278;mircea_popescu;a so it works now ?
1544474;1474146290;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1002
1544475;1474146291;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 17:38 phf: why asm??
1544476;1474146297;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
1544477;1474146297;framedr_ghetto;feel like a (very shitty) nasa engineer communicating with rover on mars and not being able to debug
1544478;1474146319;mircea_popescu;anyway, not the end of the world eh ? fix it tomorrow, nothing burns.
1544479;1474146327;framedr_ghetto;yah. just, feels bad
1544480;1474146359;framedr_ghetto;wine and cold weather and joys of subletting a flat to local folk.
1544481;1474146373;mircea_popescu;did they burn it ?
1544482;1474146378;framedr_ghetto;not yet!
1544483;1474146393;framedr_ghetto;but cleaning a flat... that's a demand too much
1544484;1474146422;framedr_ghetto;there's also a brazilian guy who keeps his dirty socks in the hallway; apparently it's a pattern and not a single instance, too
1544485;1474146443;mircea_popescu;phf to answer the "why asm" thing : because if at issue is to obtain a correct f(lisp) so as it produces the same asm as gcc(c) then we'd better have a good example of target "same asm". his approach is judicious.
1544486;1474146489;mircea_popescu;well at least now i know who to talk to if i ever want real estate in where was this again ?
1544487;1474146622;framedr_ghetto;[btw, just got an x220 for on-foot-travel mode / days. ssd + 9 cell battery => joy. it's a goddamn nice machine. keyboard before lenovo ruined it, etc.; cheapo i5 before it was downsized for "ultramobiles" / w/e. robust as fuck.]
1544488;1474146670;framedr_ghetto;mircea_popescu: glasgow. eh, i'll be outta here this month next year, i think. weather and, you know, the whole wanna-be-empire-failed-island thing..
1544489;1474146699;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. i wouldn't wanna go there.
1544490;1474146715;mircea_popescu;oddly, i know lots of people in a1, but none of them plan to stay
1544491;1474146730;mircea_popescu;few and far between exceptions
1544492;1474146753;framedr_ghetto;"extract purchasing-power-sterling and get outta there" OH WAIT
1544493;1474146760;framedr_ghetto;...
1544494;1474146880;mircea_popescu;heh
1544495;1474146892;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1053 << you know, making a nic is not the end of the world.
1544496;1474146893;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 17:54 asciilifeform: consider how the thing expects real-time (1000s/sec) interrupt handling, but ALSO has 1,001 places where you must busy-wait for some register bit to flip
1544497;1474146998;mircea_popescu;it even has the advantage of being perhaps the most feared item by lizard court, aside from nuke detonator.
1544498;1474147188;mircea_popescu;1311 lines should be enough for anyone./
1544499;1474147737;BingoBoingo;In other Quora these syphilitic pussies and their love of $20 chicom firehazards https://archive.is/MMN6v
1544500;1474148826;BingoBoingo;!!up framedr_ghetto
1544501;1474148826;deedbot;framedr_ghetto voiced for 30 minutes.
1544502;1474148832;framedr_ghetto;BingoBoingo: story idea - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/japan-has-a-worrying-number-of-virgins-government-finds-a7312961.html
1544503;1474148833;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544495 << go and make even a thing that helloworlds on a pci bus, without si fab.
1544504;1474148833;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 21:14 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1053 << you know, making a nic is not the end of the world.
1544505;1474148879;asciilifeform;all roads lead to sane fpga, or to perdition.
1544506;1474148884;*;asciilifeform bbl
1544507;1474149053;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/09/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-6-tmr/#comment-70724
1544508;1474149191;framedr_ghetto;btw if (tm)(r) is being used to denote those "trademark" signs (and not tmsr), it may be noted that (tm) is for an uregistered trademark and (r) is for a registered one. but i guess the reflexive-ironical use of these makes it fine :p
1544509;1474149383;BingoBoingo;It is being used for being used.
1544510;1474150215;mircea_popescu;^ guy just likes to paste those in for some reason ; they don't seem to carry meaning.
1544511;1474150536;BingoBoingo;giving nonsense meaning would be fiat
1544512;1474151312;mircea_popescu;"When you get systems that are too complicated to understand, people respond with superstition. Thousands of years ago, people didn’t understand astronomy. So superstitions arose—like praying to appease the spirits thought to be responsible for an eclipse." << this, for the record, is idiocy of the ilk of that-blogger-whats-his-name hurr-durring about how EVIDENTLY us nativism / knownothing movement was wrong because look
1544513;1474151313;mircea_popescu;, the irish came and nothing bad happened.
1544514;1474151399;mircea_popescu;anachronism is universally the sign of an uneducated mind - in the blogger's case because he fails to account for the obvious case that "what if the only reason nothing happened is BECAUSE those people were there then ?" ; but in the general case as displayed by lamport also. it is ridiculous to pretend to science, logic and reason, and then to turn around and tell a story of the past in the terms of "here's what's left once
1544515;1474151400;mircea_popescu;we reinterpret it strictly as an extension of the present".
1544516;1474151421;mircea_popescu;astrology as a historical human behaviour eminently is NOT connected to ulterior developments such as astronomy, nor caused by them.
1544517;1474151430;mircea_popescu;and also lamport didn't birth his mother.
1544518;1474151452;mircea_popescu;this corroborated with his dubious indictment of some sysadmin who didn't feel like fixing his computer 20 years ago paint the guy in pretty ugly colors.
1544519;1474151642;mircea_popescu;"Responding to an email message is a simple operation with a simple mathematical description." ok, i'm out. fuckhead has not the first inkling as to what he's talking about.
1544520;1474153245;asciilifeform;ahahaha lamport is idiot and i'm d'artagnan lolk.
1544521;1474153424;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544514 << this is a point tho.
1544522;1474153424;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 22:29 mircea_popescu: anachronism is universally the sign of an uneducated mind - in the blogger's case because he fails to account for the obvious case that "what if the only reason nothing happened is BECAUSE those people were there then ?" ; but in the general case as displayed by lamport also. it is ridiculous to pretend to science, logic and reason, and then to turn around and tell a story of the past in the terms of "here's what's left once
1544523;1474153527;asciilifeform;we know what the absence of effective 'knownothings' looks like:
1544524;1474153532;asciilifeform;rotterham.
1544525;1474154635;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/japanese-virginity-reaches-crisis-levels/ << Qntra - Japanese Virginity Reaches Crisis Levels
1544526;1474154734;BingoBoingo;Perhaps hashtag activism is needed: #RotterJapan
1544527;1474155615;mircea_popescu;what does openbsd future look without you know, "that guy who didn't save it before microsoft" ?
1544528;1474155663;mircea_popescu;so, yeah. like lamport all you want, the piece is obnoxiously idiotic in too many places to fucking count.
1544529;1474155725;mircea_popescu;wouldn't be the first guy with a great idea that then got totally beat to a pulp by trying to put it in words.
1544530;1474156238;asciilifeform;i got nuffin'
1544531;1474156250;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu nailed.
1544532;1474156565;*;mircea_popescu also very much likes lamport. 
1544533;1474159167;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1544534;1474159176;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 602.89, vol: 1164.33753990 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 607.6, vol: 2643.52677 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 608.05, vol: 3571.06537738 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 604.239405, vol: 201769.63330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 609.679, vol: 325.23130613 | Volume-weighted last average: 604.347722465
1544535;1474165343;*;mod6 looks around
1544536;1474166716;BingoBoingo;Around says no
1544537;1474166859;mod6;werd up bb
1544538;1474166960;mod6;awe shit, my 5 year wot anniversary was on wednesday.
1544539;1474166963;mod6;spaced it.
1544540;1474167337;BingoBoingo;Oh shit, I forgot to bring a cake!
1544541;1474171227;shinohai;!~laserkittens
1544542;1474171227;jhvh1;,ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
1544543;1474171238;shinohai;happy anniversary mod6
1544544;1474171440;mod6; thanks shinohai :]
1544545;1474200202;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/free-sporozoites/
1544546;1474201057;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/bombs-explode-in-new-jersey-and-manhattan/ << Qntra - Bombs Explode In New Jersey And Manhattan
1544547;1474204024;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lulzy electoral massage
1544548;1474206885;mircea_popescu;how come everyone's got it in for jew york neyway
1544549;1474206909;deedbot;http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/09/18/happy-1st-anniversary-foxybot/ << Ossasepia - Happy 1st Anniversary, Foxybot!
1544550;1474207849;mircea_popescu;introducing the record holder in premature ejaculation : http://66.media.tumblr.com/32bd411ad3a4103855bf42bfdae04df6/tumblr_nly8xk8XxV1u96awpo1_400.gif
1544551;1474211287;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://archive.is/shLJy >> oh noez, laundry !11111
1544552;1474211311;asciilifeform;'As preferred customers, they often took Chapo's drugs without putting any money down, then paid the cartel only after they sold the product. This might seem unlikely, given the pervasive distrust in the underworld, but the narcotics trade is based on a robust and surprisingly reliable system of credit. In a sense, a cartel like Sinaloa has no choice but to offer a financing option, because few wholesale buyers have the liquidity to
1544553;1474211311;asciilifeform;pay cash upfront for a ton of cocaine.'
1544554;1474211540;mircea_popescu;heh.
1544555;1474211561;mircea_popescu;no, in a sense of course they offer credit - they don't really want to be buried in bills.
1544556;1474212572;shinohai;I'll gladly pay you next Tuesday for a kilo of blow today!
1544557;1474212779;mircea_popescu;lol
1544558;1474212910;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/sztajnszrajber-and-things-no-seriously/ << Trilema - Sztajnszrajber and things. No, seriously.
1544559;1474215140;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1544560;1474215147;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 609.02, vol: 1248.77787529 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 609.815, vol: 3021.26362 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 612.2, vol: 1490.79478268 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 608.667451, vol: 232851.21380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 612.039, vol: 321.26085504 | Volume-weighted last average: 608.710378274
1544561;1474215153;shinohai;!~bcstats
1544562;1474215154;jhvh1;shinohai: Current Blocks: 430399 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 1024 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, 5 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1544563;1474218368;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544461 << i already had it implemented for xref, so just needed to comment out (not (annotation-back-link-mkj-p annotation)) in the right place
1544564;1474218368;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 21:02 framedr_ghetto: phf: thanks for making a111 quote mkj log lines
1544565;1474219322;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544485 << it was a knee jerk http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539368 on my part. i was thinking why not write and use own high level assembly emitter, but thinking about it it would not have improved discoverability, because the task was all or nothing anyway
1544566;1474219322;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 21:07 mircea_popescu: phf to answer the "why asm" thing : because if at issue is to obtain a correct f(lisp) so as it produces the same asm as gcc(c) then we'd better have a good example of target "same asm". his approach is judicious.
1544567;1474219322;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 00:43 mircea_popescu: honestly, i think the people who abstract-and-code are idiots anyway. first, you do it by hand. then, you automate what you did. this way a) end up with something that actually works, and even without much design skill is well designed, by mother nature's help ; b) avoiud the trap of "i spent five engineer hours to save myself thirty three minutes of secretarial work over the course of ten years."
1544568;1474219467;phf;the advantage of something like a vop in general, is that you can emit part of the assembly that you're trying to get working in isolation first, can emit it and call in realtime (i.e. in a repl), can have multiple versions of until you get it right, etc.
1544569;1474219656;phf;(an example is https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cmucl/cmucl/blob/master/src/compiler/x86/float-sse2.lisp#L1426 x87-set-floating-point-modes prelude with keywords says some handy things about what's being emitted to put it in context, but then (:generator 6 ...) is your regular asm, mov xor ...)
1544570;1474221069;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544418 << i thought psychosis was pretty common with bipolar, during the manic or depressive phases. at least in usg they prescribe antipsychotics to bipolars, though i'm not sure if that's always the case. supposedly you can take them on their own, because they have mood stabilizing effects
1544571;1474221069;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 19:51 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#562 << fwiw there's no psychotic ouverture of bipolar. 1st case mostly sounds as usgistan "let's call it something"/
1544572;1474221352;phf;back when i knew the guy, i had a plan to stay in his house for a couple of weeks, wean him off his meds and depending on how that goes, give him acid to poke at his brain. he had some odd blindspots in his thinking that i wasn't sure if they were result of medication, or inherent. somehow multiple people were all up in arms against my plan, so i will never know..
1544573;1474221604;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544569 << i've been toying with the notion of 0 compiler
1544574;1474221604;a111;Logged on 2016-09-18 17:27 phf: (an example is https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/cmucl/cmucl/blob/master/src/compiler/x86/float-sse2.lisp#L1426 x87-set-floating-point-modes prelude with keywords says some handy things about what's being emitted to put it in context, but then (:generator 6 ...) is your regular asm, mov xor ...)
1544575;1474221619;asciilifeform;very tight interpreter strictly.
1544576;1474221664;asciilifeform;a la tinyscheme
1544577;1474221674;phf;no jit either?
1544578;1474221681;asciilifeform;nope.
1544579;1474221742;phf;i think main line lua is that way, very tight interpreter, and i guess it's fast enough for gaming (tm)(c)
1544580;1474221777;asciilifeform;jit он от лукавого
1544581;1474221837;asciilifeform;lock up all the x86-aware liquishit in a few 100kb of hand-asmed kernel and never touch again.
1544582;1474221913;asciilifeform;it lives in l0 and no jmp ever goes out of l0 .
1544583;1474221942;phf;since no jmps..
1544584;1474221958;asciilifeform;betcha there is even a magic bit in amd docs that'll force no-inst-fetch-out-of-l0.
1544585;1474221993;asciilifeform;phf: jmp but strictly in the interp's state machine.
1544586;1474221995;phf;nx bit on any page that you touch
1544587;1474222024;asciilifeform;on all pages but kernel.
1544588;1474222101;phf;i guess the trickiest part then is the "x86-aware liquishit", which is enough assembly subset to make it useful, but not enough to construct an escape hatch
1544589;1474222169;phf;oh right, and i called it a year ago, asciilifeform has gone full chuck moore :p
1544590;1474222210;asciilifeform;dunno, i think i went 'full chuck moore' a decade ago?
1544591;1474222257;asciilifeform;and phf: i think you misunderstand - no 'subset but without escape hatch' or whatnot. just pure interpreter.
1544592;1474222273;asciilifeform;0 new x86ola emission at runtime.
1544593;1474222282;phf;oh so disk controller is part of interpreter?
1544594;1474222287;asciilifeform;yes.
1544595;1474222290;phf;aaah
1544596;1474222291;phf;hmm
1544597;1474222306;asciilifeform;disk+nic, nothing else.
1544598;1474222309;asciilifeform;ever.
1544599;1474222314;phf;hmm
1544600;1474222345;*;phf bb
1544601;1474222454;asciilifeform;i actually considered all of this in '07 but rejected because 'idiots will patch it to do jit and bring back all of the evils'
1544602;1474222462;asciilifeform;but now we have wot.
1544603;1474222489;asciilifeform;it is at least theoretically possible to resist.
1544604;1474222762;asciilifeform;and if we can get performance on par with, e.g., my 4mhz bolix 3620 - it's a win. of sorts.
1544605;1474222950;asciilifeform;phf (and any other interested folk) if you have a bit of spare change, buy yourself a 'pcengines api2', either 2 or 4gb model, it's this comp that comes with schematics. then we can play.
1544606;1474222958;asciilifeform;apu2
1544607;1474222967;asciilifeform;^
1544608;1474223007;asciilifeform;amd g-series with , iirc, gpl schematics.
1544609;1474223038;asciilifeform;it is cheap because 0 video and 0 place to put.
1544610;1474223053;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/18/check-your-hope/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Check your hope.
1544611;1474233753;BingoBoingo;!~step4
1544612;1474233753;jhvh1;4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
1544613;1474233823;mircea_popescu;i kinda like these because they're so ambiguous.
1544614;1474233981;BingoBoingo;Kinda the point. Their meanings can be reinterpreted over a lifetime for those sick folk who need it, because capable of only unhealthy relations with booze et al.
1544615;1474233987;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#39 << sure. but obviously having both ends helps debug subtle corners and improves your control over the whole matter.
1544616;1474233987;a111;Logged on 2016-09-18 17:24 phf: the advantage of something like a vop in general, is that you can emit part of the assembly that you're trying to get working in isolation first, can emit it and call in realtime (i.e. in a repl), can have multiple versions of until you get it right, etc.
1544617;1474233987;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [17:24:27] <phf> the advantage of something like a vop in general, is that you can emit part of the assembly that you're trying to get working in isolation first, can emit it and call in realtime (i.e. in a repl), can have multiple versions of until you get it right, etc.
1544618;1474234010;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, and they're not directly wrong, which is both rarte and helpful for this purpose.
1544619;1474234164;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#42 << the us clinical practice is literally insane. they also diagnose psychosis and prescribe medication in prepubescent individuals. psychosis in such is a strict biological impossibility.
1544620;1474234164;a111;Logged on 2016-09-18 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544418 << i thought psychosis was pretty common with bipolar, during the manic or depressive phases. at least in usg they prescribe antipsychotics to bipolars, though i'm not sure if that's always the case. supposedly you can take them on their own, because they have mood stabilizing effects
1544621;1474234164;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [17:51:09] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544418 << i thought psychosis was pretty common with bipolar, during the manic or depressive phases. at least in usg they prescribe antipsychotics to bipolars, though i'm not sure if that's always the case. supposedly you can take them on their own, because they have mood stabilizing effects
1544622;1474234172;BingoBoingo;!!up yr
1544623;1474234172;deedbot;yr voiced for 30 minutes.
1544624;1474234175;BingoBoingo;Hello yr
1544625;1474234182;yr;hallo
1544626;1474234192;mircea_popescu;i don't trust an us educated psychiatrist anymore than i'd trust a shaman orthopedist.
1544627;1474234228;yr;I'm sorry BingoBoingo, I pm'd you
1544628;1474234230;BingoBoingo;Anyways on the bipolar they swing from anti-convulsants to antipsychotic depending on what's trendy that year.
1544629;1474234245;BingoBoingo;yr: I don't know you well enough to PM, so now you have voice!
1544630;1474234248;mircea_popescu;sad fucking nonsense, they hung mengele for much less.
1544631;1474234322;yr;was just expressing my appreciation for your collective work, and would like to provide a small donation for hitting the site up once in a while for my informations
1544632;1474234336;yr;is there an address for that?
1544633;1474234373;BingoBoingo;yr: WHich one of the sites?
1544634;1474234376;mircea_popescu;well there's the income tax address of teh republic...
1544635;1474234403;yr;I wasn't aware there was more than one
1544636;1474234431;BingoBoingo;1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 << Supports the work of the real bitcoin foundation. But yes many sites.
1544637;1474234464;yr;where can I read about the real bitcoin foundation?
1544638;1474234553;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation
1544639;1474234554;ben_vulpes;http://thebitcoin.foundation and http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/
1544640;1474234592;phf;(i turned off a111 for mkj)
1544641;1474234599;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol, guy tries to do a nice thing, discovers the size of the republic, ton of birkcs.
1544642;1474234601;mircea_popescu;phf ty!
1544643;1474234632;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It happens
1544644;1474234693;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#44 << ftr, you know relatives/friends are universally "up in arms" against girly's plan to "move to $distantlands to live as sexual slave of this guy". doesn't usually seem to do anything.
1544645;1474234693;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [17:55:52] <phf> back when i knew the guy, i had a plan to stay in his house for a couple of weeks, wean him off his meds and depending on how that goes, give him acid to poke at his brain. he had some odd blindspots in his thinking that i wasn't sure if they were result of medication, or inherent. somehow multiple people were all up in arms against my plan, so i will never
1544646;1474234694;scriba;know..
1544647;1474234711;BingoBoingo;yr: Don't worry much. You aren't the first to be shock by just how much is going on here, but so far you are the most polite.
1544648;1474234787;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#45 << now THIS is certainly a nice idea that the shitty hardware utterly precludes.
1544649;1474234787;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:00:04] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544569 << i've been toying with the notion of 0 compiler
1544650;1474234811;mircea_popescu;iirc in the early days of c-as-replacement-for-straight-asm it's exactly how compiler became a thing. "dude... fuck hardware."
1544651;1474234873;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#51 << no it's not. it ~can~ be, which is a whole different thing.
1544652;1474234873;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:02:22] <phf> i think main line lua is that way, very tight interpreter, and i guess it's fast enough for gaming (tm)(c)
1544653;1474235086;phf;you mean because there's luajit and no wot?
1544654;1474235159;mircea_popescu;i mean because "don't do this, don't use it there, don't do this way". in any game there are parts you could do in fucking xml. that you write those in lua, or lisp, or anything does not make the anytihng "fast enough for gaming", much like the 14yo doing the parts of "slut" that don't include fucking doesn't make the 14yo "old enough for sex"
1544655;1474235388;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#73 << there's a fine steel hatch to lock that down with now ; so you can transition to not doing it because x86 sux.
1544656;1474235389;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:14:14] <asciilifeform> i actually considered all of this in '07 but rejected because 'idiots will patch it to do jit and bring back all of the evils'
1544657;1474235514;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << with the time, being the main qualifier. if you have the time and willing to promise commitment thereof but can't afford, whine and someone will surely gift you it.
1544658;1474235514;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:22:30] <asciilifeform> phf (and any other interested folk) if you have a bit of spare change, buy yourself a 'pcengines api2', either 2 or 4gb model, it's this comp that comes with schematics. then we can play.
1544659;1474236272;phf;oh i thought they use lua for mainloops, but actually i'm not sure. it might just be all scripting. one "fast" lua project that i know, which is luke gorrie's "snabb switch", uses luajit though
1544660;1474238410;BingoBoingo;!!up yr
1544661;1474238410;deedbot;yr voiced for 30 minutes.
1544662;1474238489;shinohai;welcome yr
1544663;1474238496;yr;hello
1544664;1474238543;BingoBoingo;Keep coming back, it works when you work it.
1544665;1474238874;phf;that was not the right command..
1544666;1474238931;phf;hmm, good thing that guard was there..
1544667;1474239134;ben_vulpes;still with the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-01#1443973 ?
1544668;1474239134;a111;Logged on 2016-04-01 20:37 phf: trinque: rsync, tmux, asdf, really nothing smarter than that
1544669;1474239183;BingoBoingo;In other broken sold under the name of the working http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1544180
1544670;1474239201;phf;yes, scp, screen, asdf. i had a v based deployment but i wasn't happy with it, so i'm trying to rethink it
1544671;1474239233;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544650 << consider reading thread again
1544672;1474239233;a111;Logged on 2016-09-18 21:40 mircea_popescu: iirc in the early days of c-as-replacement-for-straight-asm it's exactly how compiler became a thing. "dude... fuck hardware."
1544673;1474239254;asciilifeform;it wasn't re 'let's program in x86 asm' , lol
1544674;1474239337;asciilifeform;it was re 'let's keep tinyscheme-like thing in l0 and no other x86 progs anywhere'
1544675;1474239465;phf;ben_vulpes: actually right now i'm heathen-ing it, by using quicklisp too. problem is btcbase depends on 35 different projects (like hunchentoot pulls 8 deps, cl-irc 2, etc.) so cmucl version i had all 35 hand patched to various degrees. the right way seems to be giving all those project the v treatment: pull them in, strip them of fluff, genesis, etc.
1544676;1474239493;phf;but that's a hell of a lot more work
1544677;1474239589;ben_vulpes;you don't say
1544678;1474239715;phf;so my v based deployment had a hack, vpatch by diff artifact has a prelude section, that you can put whatever in. it's basically space before the first --- line
1544679;1474239740;phf;err, before the first ^diff ...
1544680;1474239763;mircea_popescu;phf maybe im just behind the times. for all i know they use javascript internally all over blizzard now, whatevs.
1544681;1474239823;phf;so i use it to put a patch description, but if the section has ^L\n( or ^L\n; then i just execute everything between ^L and diff ... after the patch has been applied
1544682;1474239846;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, i understand the dream. just pointing out that it didn't work once before.
1544683;1474239908;phf;so the vpatch becomes something like "getting baz to work^L(load "foo") (load "bar") diff ... foo.lisp ... +... -... etc diff bar.lisp ... +... -..."
1544684;1474239950;mircea_popescu;phf no point in being too ashamed of the early pubescence of the republic. if that's the best that can be done then that's the best that can be done, others may be able to improve on it which is welcome, but there's complete immunity from the very hollow somethingawful approach of "your tobacco uses pot lol". nobody cares, really, what something awful may say or think on any topic, chiefly because they're fundamentally idiots.
1544685;1474239955;phf;but obviously it doesn't have to be just load, can also be code that does a mutation on state or whatever
1544686;1474239978;mircea_popescu;so you know, there's no benefit to be acrued through hiding hacks from view.
1544687;1474240048;phf;anyway, i should probably write the first version up, while it's a lul between attempts
1544688;1474240056;BingoBoingo;Innovation http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5255
1544689;1474240281;BingoBoingo;!!up yr
1544690;1474240281;deedbot;yr voiced for 30 minutes.
1544691;1474240343;yr;just noticed - that the real luke-jr?
1544692;1474240384;BingoBoingo;Lurks here, but he doesn't get lended voice anymore
1544693;1474240408;yr;interesting
1544694;1474240449;yr;well, I'm going to lurk for a while -- is there another way to flag you down besides pm?
1544695;1474240461;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-16#1542988 << joke was just for you bae
1544696;1474240461;a111;Logged on 2016-09-16 19:47 pete_dushenski: 'I was dead-set on finding a house with a garbage disposal, or "garburator" as our sorry ("Sorry!") neighbors to the North call them,' << l0l! love the souble dorry. also, i've never lived in a house or condo with a garburator and may never.
1544697;1474240499;BingoBoingo;http://www.local10.com/news/florida/miami-dade-county/armed-trio-arrested-in-miami-beach-walks-out-of-jail?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_WPLG_Local_10_%2F_Local10.com
1544698;1474240550;BingoBoingo;yr: Register a key, flagg me down when you do, collect a rating, and learn to voice yourself?
1544699;1474240588;BingoBoingo;!!topic
1544700;1474240588;yr;okay
1544701;1474240593;BingoBoingo;!!help
1544702;1474240594;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1544703;1474240599;BingoBoingo;^
1544704;1474240617;phf;also sop is to ask for a pm from anyone who's speaking (i.e. awake and at keyboard) at the moment
1544705;1474240624;phf;err, pm for up
1544706;1474240697;BingoBoingo;sop is also what you do with a mop to get water off the floor
1544707;1474240743;mircea_popescu;"the logic of steel" wtf is he about ?
1544708;1474240754;mircea_popescu;lafond never heard how caesar died or what.
1544709;1474241262;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> "the logic of steel" wtf is he about ? << Early book of his.
1544710;1474241292;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> lafond never heard how caesar died or what. << Historicaly common, but was uncommon among the fauna local to him historicaly.
1544711;1474241326;BingoBoingo;Rat is common plague is alf land. Uncommon in Bingo land.
1544712;1474241386;mircea_popescu;still, even thinking about it, both dagger and knife are insane weapons for the lone operator. unless with a group of friends, preferably sons of the people running the city as seein in italian renaissance for example, you're asking to be killed.
1544713;1474241419;mircea_popescu;armed enough to be murdered for it ; not armed enough to keep angry mob at bay.
1544714;1474241459;mircea_popescu;!!up makotako
1544715;1474241459;deedbot;makotako voiced for 30 minutes.
1544716;1474241496;BingoBoingo;But Sanity is uncommon in USia, and especially uncommon in Urban areas.
1544717;1474241522;mircea_popescu;the logic of parochisteel.
1544718;1474241607;shinohai;BingoBoingo while I'm in here this evening, you want a oglafbot added ?
1544719;1474241682;BingoBoingo;Nah, because tradition. However do add responses for !~tradition1, etc. Also add a reply for the seekrit 13th step.
1544720;1474241682;makotako;No thanks shinohai
1544721;1474241716;shinohai;kk bb
1544722;1474241720;shinohai;!!down makotako
1544723;1474241720;deedbot;shinohai may not !!down makotako.
1544724;1474241735;makotako;mahahahahahahahahahahaa
1544725;1474241737;makotako;:D
1544726;1474241745;mircea_popescu;makotako who are you again ?
1544727;1474241757;makotako;what do you mean, AGAIN?
1544728;1474241760;shinohai;Kryptoncoin troll
1544729;1474241767;shinohai;i dunno
1544730;1474241780;BingoBoingo;makotako: Please see
1544731;1474241781;BingoBoingo;!~step5
1544732;1474241781;jhvh1;5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
1544733;1474241795;mircea_popescu;i mean again as in you should have started with that ; and i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt pretending like you did and i didn't notice.
1544734;1474241806;BingoBoingo;brb
1544735;1474241833;makotako;Nope, I never introduced myself.
1544736;1474241846;mircea_popescu;that'll do then.
1544737;1474241848;mircea_popescu;!!down makotako
1544738;1474241864;shinohai;!~bcstas
1544739;1474241865;jhvh1;shinohai: Error: "bcstas" is not a valid command.
1544740;1474241868;shinohai;!~bcstats
1544741;1474241869;jhvh1;shinohai: Current Blocks: 430450 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 973 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1544742;1474242249;mircea_popescu;and in other non-body-shaming fat-tolerant porn, http://67.media.tumblr.com/1122614d76711992a4c8c8d5d44f81ba/tumblr_nf6yb42fb51tmnngto1_500.gif
1544743;1474242294;shinohai;My eyes
1544744;1474243159;mircea_popescu;and in other musics, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMdhWRO4-dQ
1544745;1474243641;ben_vulpes;how do they go, after the showwwww
1544746;1474243657;ben_vulpes;title song off that album is rather good.
1544747;1474245454;mod6;!!deed http://mod6.net/deeds/rotor-db-configure-fix.patch.asc
1544748;1474245499;deedbot;accepted: 1
1544749;1474245511;mod6;!!deed http://mod6.net/deeds/rotor.tar.gz.asc
1544750;1474245529;deedbot;accepted: 1
1544751;1474246249;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544713 << would be a concern were americans to get angry and mob ever, see: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/18/us/minnesota-mall-stabbing/
1544752;1474246249;a111;Logged on 2016-09-18 23:30 mircea_popescu: armed enough to be murdered for it ; not armed enough to keep angry mob at bay.
1544753;1474246421;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1544754;1474246506;mircea_popescu;but the bovine quality of the inhabitants of that land (btw, it's pretty clear by now north america destroys the soul : if you recall the spanish ran into the same useless pussies back cca 1500 as the marauding hordes would meet today. apparently it dun matter if redskin or allegedly paleskin - if you live in north america you turn into buffalo) has little to do with some sort of eternal logic of armsmastery.
1544755;1474246907;phf;there was a scifi story where a ship landed on a planet, lush, beautiful, with a cow like creatures inhabiting it. so they taste the cow meat, and they hang out, until, and i'll spoil it for you, they all turn, one by one, into same case
1544756;1474246910;phf;*same cows
1544757;1474247026;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1oeh
1544758;1474247026;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1544759;1474247749;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-430460.txt
1544760;1474248498;mircea_popescu;aha.
1544761;1474249513;shinohai;Zuck gets cucked again, this time by city council: http://archive.is/zkff9
1544762;1474250740;ben_vulpes;http://www.wrightspeed.com/technology << perhaps not the dumbest thing i've seen!
1544763;1474252400;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-hilarious-unprofitability-of-uber << CH - The Hilarious Unprofitability of Uber
1544764;1474252640;deedbot;http://danielpbarron.com/2016/much-more-sisters/ << Daniel P. Barron - Much more sisters
1544765;1474254870;mircea_popescu;check it out, danielpbarron somehow has a recent comments plugin that includes diana_coman 's blog ?!
1544766;1474254893;mircea_popescu;o nm, was a pingback.
1544767;1474255149;mircea_popescu;"What, as we say, dat? Could Uber be competing to own the vertical and horizontal in a space and failing to bite off an element of the business model that profitability is predicated on the ownership of?" << ben_vulpes can you say that again, but in a language, this time ?
1544768;1474255604;mircea_popescu;and in other news, a proper postmortem piece re "I attribute a large part of my abject failure to stuff cubicles with commodity labor and churn out software all day long to how willing" when ?
1544769;1474255861;mircea_popescu;oh and also, "especially if you're the hardworking-yet-broke, but-somehow-stupid-enough-to-be-family-having type like myself." is the story of a generation. write a blog for them, they will come.
1544770;1474256252;mircea_popescu;and in the same old news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/eebca2fe316a4dc7862f3103bcf0a52b/tumblr_nm36utql4G1tkuag2o1_1280.jpg
1544771;1474256426;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1544772;1474256481;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/another-crack-in-ether-handlers-fume-hood/ << Qntra - Another Crack In Ether Handler's Fume Hood
1544773;1474259994;ben_vulpes;the underlying joke of 'abject failure' is that was never even remotely a purpose
1544774;1474260150;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "what dat" is a pregnant americanism, as for the second sentence, you need a rewrite to parse?
1544775;1474261013;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/paxful-executives-arrested-with-oodles-of-drugs/ << Qntra - Paxful "Executives" Arrested With Oodles Of Drugs
1544776;1474261036;mircea_popescu;i do.
1544777;1474261209;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "for as another aspiring businessman once wrote before his life had become unmanageable" << nothing can happen before had. you mean before became ?
1544778;1474261251;mircea_popescu;"denotes a quanity" also.
1544779;1474261421;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1544780;1474262161;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup*
1544781;1474263234;BingoBoingo;!~step10
1544782;1474263234;jhvh1;10. Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
1544783;1474273158;adlai;BingoBoingo: also in the footnote, 'establish' needs an -ing or -ment
1544784;1474273262;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544441 << that's a very short day! also, the 2nd F doesn't make much sense, i was pointing something out to phf specifically.
1544785;1474273262;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 20:13 mircea_popescu: so i guess that's ANOTHER F for adlai ; to celebrate his first day back to "all day ircing".
1544786;1474273759;adlai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544387 << nothing near as exciting, i knocked an office toy (magnetic paperclip people) off a doctor's desk while proving a point, which in his book counted as "violence!!!"; then i left the meeting, because they were wasting my time. sufficient cause, in this wonderful medical system, for an involuntary commitment. as one friend interpreted: "pissed off the wrong people"
1544787;1474273759;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 19:35 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#546 << wait, did you bust some dude's face ?
1544788;1474274139;ben_vulpes;i remember trying to make a point to a man who wanted to lock me up.
1544789;1474274210;ben_vulpes;i go for camo and not being noticed these days.
1544790;1474289104;mircea_popescu;adlai how do you justify sticking around to yourself in that context ?
1544791;1474289207;*;mircea_popescu also remembers wanting to make points to inept bureaucrats with delusions of self importance. their whereabouts are unknown hence.
1544792;1474293919;adlai;mircea_popescu: "justify sticking around"? i'm not sure i understand what you're asking
1544793;1474294435;mircea_popescu;would you reference logs like sane people ? i'm not going to grep for the sake of extracting context for your lines.
1544794;1474294540;adlai;it's literally the second-to-last thing you typed... but here you go! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-19#1544790
1544795;1474294540;a111;Logged on 2016-09-19 12:45 mircea_popescu: adlai how do you justify sticking around to yourself in that context ?
1544796;1474294547;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1544797;1474294566;mod6;mornin'
1544798;1474294571;mircea_popescu;oh! sorry.
1544799;1474294606;mircea_popescu;adlai what i mean is, if that happened to me, i'd have simply left. permanently.
1544800;1474294617;mircea_popescu;how do you justify, eg, not joining the palestines in bombing the place, to yourself ?
1544801;1474294622;mircea_popescu;seems it must burn.
1544802;1474294668;adlai;aha. well, honestly i thought at the time that i'd just stormed out permanently, only found out hours later that i'd been turned into a fugitive
1544803;1474294678;mircea_popescu;so ?
1544804;1474294691;mircea_popescu;what, is it helplessnes, "oh i could never get away" ?
1544805;1474294758;adlai;it seemed like less effort to go through whatever process they wanted. i didn't realize at the start that it would last more than a couple days / week.
1544806;1474294820;adlai;and... i don't think every single conflict situation warrants a declaration of war. sometimes you need to fight, but sometimes you need to regroup first.
1544807;1474295007;adlai;several of the other people in the ward had 'run away' after a home visit, and got brought back by "men in white suits"
1544808;1474295031;adlai;maybe i'll put up a bigger fight next time, although i'd rather pick smarter fights.
1544809;1474295212;mircea_popescu;well "every conflict situation". what exactly can be salvaged once it's not safe to blow pins off a table ?
1544810;1474295255;mircea_popescu;derps dun wanna extend the personal space. has exactly nothing to do with you, your choices being either burn the derps down or die.
1544811;1474295353;mircea_popescu;but as i don't figure you much for the "bitch, you will clean my boots or wear a new kippah anchor point, right in your fucking forehead" type, i'd have expected you'd just left.
1544812;1474295363;mircea_popescu;what exactly has such place left to offer ?
1544813;1474295378;adlai;ok i see, by 'sticking around', and 'left', you mean leaving the country?
1544814;1474295452;mircea_popescu;not just the country. the whole thing. tell your mother she's a dumb whore, tell your father he's a total fucking idiot and you know fewer people you despise more, burn down everything in hebrew you own and never mention the accursed shithole ever again.
1544815;1474295458;mircea_popescu;except maybe visit once iran finally glasses it.
1544816;1474295578;adlai;socialist states can be bled from the inside, too
1544817;1474295579;mircea_popescu;it's a cultural space, like any other. just like any other, it has to satisfy a minimum bar to be allowed to continue to exist. it has failed to pay its capitation, and so consequently it has no furhter place in the world.
1544818;1474295607;mircea_popescu;well sure, i'm not specifically interested in the execution as a matter of detail.
1544819;1474295615;mircea_popescu;just used obvious example for sake of obviousness.
1544820;1474295903;adlai;out of curiosity, where would you recommend going, once i accumulate the means to do so on my own terms? you don't seem too pleased with your homeland or your current abode
1544821;1474295970;adlai;inner-mp quotes/paraphrases real-mp: "somewhere your girlfriend would never imagine visiting, but the stripper you met last night can't wait to go"
1544822;1474296025;adlai;my memory is insufficiently content-addressable to locate the exact article but i'm quite sure it's trilema
1544823;1474296133;mircea_popescu;but my dear man, how would i recommend ~for you~ ?
1544824;1474296137;mircea_popescu;pick something you like.
1544825;1474296145;mircea_popescu;or at least, that you're curious about.
1544826;1474296289;mircea_popescu;i will say however this "rezistenta prin cultura" / "socialist states can be bled from the inside, too" is exclusively for the very strong, ie powerful, ie dudes with own arsenal and harem. it's self-delusion, and of the worst sort, to think vulnerable young male could accomplish or should attempt such wonder.
1544827;1474296342;adlai;fair enough
1544828;1474296419;mircea_popescu;needs a very strong, and well reinforced, and old identity to be able to masquerade externally. take your examples from biology : viri manage to bleed the cell from the inside ; but it's risky business. mitochondria similarly thought - and look at it today!
1544829;1474296721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and bleeding'em from outside (for the sake of argument positing that they ~have~ an outside) is available to weak/poor/haremless/etc. ??
1544830;1474296872;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << Trilema - How to participate in the affairs of The Most Serene Republic
1544831;1474297344;thestringpuller;LOL! Coinbase bot hacked -> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/keyvendornet#announcements/detail/825672215667170249
1544832;1474297358;thestringpuller;"Our payment processor Coinbase.com was exploited and all Bitcoin and keys were stolen from the KeyVendor bot. These total to about $15,000. This was not, however, a direct security issue with the bot, but rather with Coinbase's merchant services."
1544833;1474297749;shinohai;run moar coinbase
1544834;1474299252;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'In the last two weeks many security professionals have praised Apple for reacting lightning fast to the PEGASUS threat that has been actively exploited in the wild. This praise was given because the parties involved kept samples from independent 3rd party researchers and did not reveal any detailed information about the kernel vulnerabilities involved to the public. Without this information the public simply assumed t
1544835;1474299252;asciilifeform;hat the PEGASUS surveillance malware was using completely new kernel vulnerabilities to takeover iOS devices and that Apple heard about these problems for the first time mid August 2016. Unfortunately after having reversed what kernel vulnerability has been used by the PEGASUS surveillance malware a completely different picture emerges: The kernel vulnerability known as CVE-2016-4656 was only still in the code because Apple patched C
1544836;1474299253;asciilifeform;VE-2016-1828 in May 2016 without doing a security review of the code in question. In only 20 lines of code THREE codepaths existed that allowed UAF. Apple fixed only one of those paths although the other release() methods were clearly right next to it in the code...'
1544837;1474299258;asciilifeform;( http://sektioneins.de/en/blog/16-09-05-pegasus-ios-kernel-vulnerability-explained-part-2.html )
1544838;1474299282;asciilifeform;^ kernel privesc found recently in crapple's entire product line. 'fixed' stuxnet-style.
1544839;1474299367;thestringpuller;mod6: considering the above and your research gathered via the #bitotter project, did you ever discover a reasonable mobile device? or are they all shit.
1544840;1474299994;mod6;they're all shit, basically
1544841;1474300060;asciilifeform;not interchangeable shit, though.
1544842;1474300101;asciilifeform;in practice, typical turdroid box resembles housewife's winblows 98 - crawling with popup maggots, 'mysteriously' slow, bristling with adware, etc.
1544843;1474300140;asciilifeform;while crapple box, with its various familiar faults, chugs along more or less eternally in the condition it left the crate
1544844;1474300159;shinohai;oh heya mod6 .... new vpatched worked for me and stripped binary accordingly.
1544845;1474300161;asciilifeform;(either until the iron mysteriously fails, two weeks out of warranty, or for decades)
1544846;1474300212;thestringpuller;crapple does the whole "planned obsolescence" bs
1544847;1474300229;asciilifeform;crapple box is quite comparable to a stainless steel prison toilet - it resists whatever attempt at modification, either by user or whatever shitware he syphilitically encounters
1544848;1474300230;thestringpuller;it's all downhill for your crapply compy's as "updates" come out
1544849;1474300292;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there are not so many vendors that patch old shit eternally
1544850;1474300318;asciilifeform;and the incidence of such a thing at a konsooomer-friendly price point is ~0.
1544851;1474300338;thestringpuller;tell that to El Capitan update that miraculously made my work computer slower
1544852;1474300414;asciilifeform;lel, the victi^H^H^H^H^Hcustomers complain when you don't patch, and when you do...
1544853;1474300653;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/19/book-of-mormon/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Book of Mormon.
1544854;1474301061;mod6;shinohai: nice! thanks for testing that.
1544855;1474301081;mod6;I'll conduct a bunch more testing tonight.  I think this one looks a lot better with just having one 'deps' dir.
1544856;1474301095;shinohai;Yeah it is waaaaay cleaner
1544857;1474301118;shinohai;But I'll do 2-3 more throughout the day, letcha know results later.
1544858;1474301284;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel
1544859;1474301284;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1544860;1474301375;gabriel_laddel;I have two machines connected by an ethernet cable that can ping one another after I setup ip addresses on them via "ip ad add 10.0.0.10/24 dev eth0" and "ip ad add 10.0.0.20/24".
1544861;1474301408;gabriel_laddel;Am currently trying to send a string from A to B (must be over the ethernet cable) so as to make networked CLIM.
1544862;1474301421;gabriel_laddel;If anyone knows the netcat command that would do this, I'm all ears.
1544863;1474301452;gabriel_laddel;(does not have to be netcat, happy to use anything so long as I can eventually migrate it into my lisp process)
1544864;1474301589;asciilifeform;nc -u localhost 1337
1544865;1474301591;asciilifeform;on listening end
1544866;1474301618;asciilifeform;echo -n "foo" | nc -u -w1 your.box.ip.addr 1337
1544867;1474301621;asciilifeform;to transmit.
1544868;1474301649;asciilifeform;(if you're using a crossover snake between two nics there is no conceivable reason to use anything but udp datagram)
1544869;1474301663;asciilifeform;supposing your strings are reasonably short, gabriel_laddel .
1544870;1474301690;asciilifeform;< 65,507 byte.
1544871;1474301693;trinque;why aren't you just opening a socket in lisp?
1544872;1474301710;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm assuming he doesn't want to use a library, hence the netcat
1544873;1474301729;trinque;I don't see how shelling out is superior
1544874;1474301733;asciilifeform;it isn't
1544875;1474301733;gabriel_laddel;I'm perfectly happy to use a lisp socket, but if I can't do it via netcat, I don't think it'll work via lisp
1544876;1474301747;asciilifeform;trinque: presumably he wants to test with bare hands, etc.
1544877;1474301748;gabriel_laddel;also wtf now my machines cannot ping one another..
1544878;1474301847;trinque;might want to study networking basics before writing another line of code.
1544879;1474301861;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i'm fresh out of telekinesis pills, cannot debug your nic...
1544880;1474301888;gabriel_laddel;just a minute, have rebooted both machines.
1544881;1474301917;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I can easily connect one lisp to another over wifi, but want to force it over an ethernet cable
1544882;1474301935;gabriel_laddel;trinque: idk what basics I'd be studying?
1544883;1474302002;trinque;the route command for one
1544884;1474302010;trinque;also how to up and down nics
1544885;1474302196;trinque;this "the system is icky and I will only learn enough about it to infect it with my own" is precisely the mentality that has *kept* lisp coders as refugees in foreign operating systems.
1544886;1474302227;gabriel_laddel;That's nonsense.
1544887;1474302232;trinque;oh is it
1544888;1474302243;gabriel_laddel;Lisp coders are refugees because they act like little girls.
1544889;1474302337;gabriel_laddel;It is a revolt against G-d and all that is good and true that there does not exist a platform, even on UNIX that one can buy for lisp development.
1544890;1474302344;gabriel_laddel;This should have been taken care of years ago =
1544891;1474302358;trinque;read moar logs
1544892;1474302364;trinque;particularly the recent lisp machine thread
1544893;1474302381;gabriel_laddel;I'm up to date on the logs, and respectfully disagree.
1544894;1474302439;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#85 << yes. as per the mitochondria example, merely not being there significantly bleeds it.
1544895;1474302440;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [14:52:01] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: and bleeding'em from outside (for the sake of argument positing that they ~have~ an outside) is available to weak/poor/haremless/etc. ??
1544896;1474302452;mircea_popescu;very dubious that you'll be able to outdo that from inside.
1544897;1474302455;asciilifeform;if gabriel_laddel recently uploaded a commonlisp that doesn't behave like a retarded child when, e.g., socket shits itself 10,000time/sec, i must've missed..?
1544898;1474302473;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#86 << if anyone can think of stuff to add lemme know.
1544899;1474302473;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [14:54:32] <deedbot> http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ << Trilema - How to participate in the affairs of The Most Serene Republic
1544900;1474302492;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider emplacing the thing into the #t subjline
1544901;1474302505;asciilifeform;imho it belongs there.
1544902;1474302510;mircea_popescu;lessee
1544903;1474302645;mod6;shinohai: thanks for doing that!
1544904;1474302676;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform good point. i moved all the topic links in there.
1544905;1474302683;asciilifeform;neato.
1544906;1474302837;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#90 << the trend is going to continue ; separation between "soviet truth" and truth is uncurable once introduced.
1544907;1474302837;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [15:34:12] <asciilifeform> in other lulz, 'In the last two weeks many security professionals have praised Apple for reacting lightning fast to the PEGASUS threat that has been actively exploited in the wild. This praise was given because the parties involved kept samples from independent 3rd party researchers and did not reveal any detailed information about the kernel
1544908;1474302839;scriba;vulnerabilities involved to the public. Without this information the public simply assumed t
1544909;1474302901;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: with the example you've provided  I send the "foo" string and nothing occurs on the other side. If I remove the "-u" option from nc, (UNKNOWN) [10.0.0.20] 8002 (?) : Connection refused
1544910;1474302907;gabriel_laddel;substitute localhost, same thing
1544911;1474302923;gabriel_laddel;are there any decent irc channels for this sort of thing aside from ##networking?
1544912;1474302960;mircea_popescu;not afaik.
1544913;1474303016;gabriel_laddel;Also, oddly enough, ping returns "Network is unreachable" after sending 20ish messages, on both ends.
1544914;1474303019;asciilifeform;ahahahaha
1544915;1474303025;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you might have the other version of netcat
1544916;1474303036;asciilifeform;thing is maintained by braindamaged folks, and so you might have to:
1544917;1474303043;asciilifeform; nc -l -u -p 1337
1544918;1474303045;gabriel_laddel;trinque: see?
1544919;1474303048;asciilifeform;on the listening end.
1544920;1474303069;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: equery m netcat outputs what for you?
1544921;1474303077;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i just tested the thing i pasted from my notes, on the box i'm presently sitting at, and it did not work. but this latter one - did.
1544922;1474303111;gabriel_laddel;trinque: this is where ALL of my time gets wasted. Trying to figure out what fking flag to send some unix BS that should be clearly documented for THE MACHINE I AM WORKING ON.
1544923;1474303123;mircea_popescu;!!up gabriel_laddel
1544924;1474303123;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1544925;1474303125;gabriel_laddel;locally, in a manual.
1544926;1474303126;mircea_popescu;welcome to everyone's life.
1544927;1474303127;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: 110-r9
1544928;1474303135;gabriel_laddel;ty
1544929;1474303155;phf;it is clearly documented, in a man page
1544930;1474303173;asciilifeform;lel phf
1544931;1474303177;gabriel_laddel;while we're here - does anyone know of a script that downloads the whole of the gentoo documentation?
1544932;1474303196;mircea_popescu;i would expect it's in the official republican gentoo package ?
1544933;1474303203;gabriel_laddel;phf: either I cannot read, or the man pages are inadequate.
1544934;1474303206;mircea_popescu;which iirc alf maintained.
1544935;1474303217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i maintain a delousing spray strictly.
1544936;1474303228;mircea_popescu;sort-of maintains.
1544937;1474303241;gabriel_laddel;phf: something as simple as "network some computers together with ethernet and observe the sexpr from one draw some stuff on another" should work 100% of the time and be clearly documented.
1544938;1474303275;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#137 << at least he's up to date with the latest in computing technology from windows/apple/mit etc
1544939;1474303275;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [16:18:08] <gabriel_laddel> just a minute, have rebooted both machines.
1544940;1474303287;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: the scary thing is that it worked.
1544941;1474303303;phf;he's having these problems, ~because~ reboot is his debugging strategy
1544942;1474303304;mircea_popescu;i'm sure a lot can be done to bleed the computer socialism from inside.
1544943;1474303313;shinohai;"at least he's up to date with the latest in computing technology from windows/apple/mit etc"    <<< lolz
1544944;1474303327;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: no voodoo here, to turn on the autocrossover you gotta reset the nic. but on sane os this DOES NOT REQUIRE REBOOT omgwtf
1544945;1474303338;asciilifeform;ifconfig cunt0 down
1544946;1474303340;asciilifeform;ifconfig cunt0 up
1544947;1474303353;gabriel_laddel;Thank you. That is both clear and helpful.
1544948;1474303355;mircea_popescu;wait, literally ? cunt-0 ?!
1544949;1474303358;mircea_popescu;this is oddly appropriate.
1544950;1474303364;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how am i to know what it is on his box.
1544951;1474303368;asciilifeform;textbook illustration
1544952;1474303383;mircea_popescu;but if you think about it...
1544953;1474303392;mircea_popescu;that's how they reproduce, right ?
1544954;1474303413;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: aha! it worked
1544955;1474303422;*;shinohai renames his interfaces to cunt0
1544956;1474303443;gabriel_laddel;Thank you. A tsmr~ ghetto with its own CLIM-web internet is now possible.
1544957;1474303445;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel ironically, turns out trinque did have a point eh.
1544958;1474303452;gabriel_laddel;trinque: about what?
1544959;1474303460;gabriel_laddel;err, mircea_popescu about what?
1544960;1474303467;mircea_popescu;networking basics lel.
1544961;1474303476;gabriel_laddel;for what platform?
1544962;1474303492;mircea_popescu;well, i think ~all unixen reset their cunt the same way.
1544963;1474303493;gabriel_laddel;how am I to know what documentation is or is not valid on various UNIXen, bsds etc
1544964;1474303496;mircea_popescu;at least never met one that didn't.
1544965;1474303501;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: if you get tired of having to toggle the nic to autocrossover, get out a pair of scissors and make an actual crossover snake
1544966;1474303528;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: the only way to learn that is by aptly named brute force.
1544967;1474303538;mircea_popescu;this much is true.
1544968;1474303553;gabriel_laddel;self-documenting hardware/software is the ~ bare minimum ~ of civilized computing.
1544969;1474303570;mircea_popescu;but yes, your dream of "manpage magically adequate to the system it's on" is not entirely without dreampower.
1544970;1474303594;gabriel_laddel;dood whatever, I'm running this example between two masamune machines and adding it to the masamune manual.
1544971;1474303623;gabriel_laddel;when I run into the friend with another masamune machine to we can now have a networked CLIM party
1544972;1474303625;mircea_popescu;so far  other than the theory of lisp, there's no known way to do this other than "somone does the bruteforce for you on an exact copy of your machine"
1544973;1474303665;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: that is correct. Hence enforcing a SINGLE hardware platform from which to generalize.
1544974;1474303679;trinque;in related lul, I installed gentoo on this here laptop this weekend, and promptly removed it after x11 terminals couldn't be launched because /dev/pts is a magical fake filesystem with apparently myriad knobs and switches.
1544975;1474303692;*;trinque can't wait until masamune realizes that google fucked gentoo into a million pieces
1544976;1474303703;mircea_popescu;"civilisation" begets totalitarianism you say ? who could have predicted!
1544977;1474303709;gabriel_laddel;trinque: my masamune builds are all from the old masamune.
1544978;1474303715;gabriel_laddel;trinque: it does not interact with google
1544979;1474303720;asciilifeform;trinque: pts isn't a gentoo-specific ball of shit
1544980;1474303720;gabriel_laddel;or the mirrors or or or
1544981;1474303737;trinque;asciilifeform: no but whichever gentoo init script or something wasn't bolting it on correctly
1544982;1474303744;trinque;and I cannot be arsed to care anymore
1544983;1474303748;trinque;openbsd has a proper static file dev
1544984;1474303749;phf;and we're back to naggum maintaining his own emacs
1544985;1474303761;asciilifeform;trinque: care to document the crater ?
1544986;1474303766;mircea_popescu;phf not exactly back, but only in the narrow strict sense that we are not alone.
1544987;1474303791;gabriel_laddel;^
1544988;1474303793;trinque;asciilifeform: was "get_pty" something about out of ptys, where sysctl was set to max 4096
1544989;1474303794;asciilifeform;thus far, every time i sit down and make a gentoo box, more or less ~yearly since '06 or so, it ... works
1544990;1474303806;asciilifeform;and i don't get any of these mysterious wtf's.
1544991;1474303807;mircea_popescu;trinque you see how horribru your error reporting is ? ?? ???
1544992;1474303808;trinque;musl?
1544993;1474303819;asciilifeform;trinque: nope. i've yet to try mussolating it
1544994;1474303826;phf;well, gabriel_laddel doesn't have the patience to grok the system he's hosting on from the user perspective, how's he going to upkeep it from the dev perspective?
1544995;1474303829;trinque;asciilifeform: they broke musl
1544996;1474303838;trinque;I last built my musl recipe in jan, worked fine
1544997;1474303845;asciilifeform;trinque: if i had a working mussolinic gentoo, i'd never have cooked up 'rotor'
1544998;1474303849;asciilifeform;because it would not be then necessary
1544999;1474303855;gabriel_laddel;phf: by selling them and paying other people to do it
1545000;1474303872;mircea_popescu;phf in his defense, nobody has any fucking patience to fuck with computers. if anyone did, they wouldn't be learning how to program.
1545001;1474303874;phf;you mean jackdaniel? ;)
1545002;1474303879;gabriel_laddel;phf: heh
1545003;1474303910;gabriel_laddel;phf: did you see the screenshot of the CLIM gui I wrote around portage?
1545004;1474303956;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: if you think such a thing is remotely a good idea, and that the crud will not irreparably spill out from under the 'skin', i got a bridge to sell ya.
1545005;1474303958;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#146 << he IS up to date on the logs huh.
1545006;1474303959;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [16:25:37] <gabriel_laddel> It is a revolt against G-d and all that is good and true that there does not exist a platform, even on UNIX that one can buy for lisp development.
1545007;1474303976;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> wait, literally ? cunt-0 ?! << On my box: hole0
1545008;1474303989;BingoBoingo;Next fiddling may become  ass0
1545009;1474304002;mircea_popescu;you people are way cooler than me. i still got eth
1545010;1474304016;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: the purpose of masamune is to provide funds for the republic (by selling them) and a development platform from which to build new hardware.
1545011;1474304044;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: didja sell enough to buy a postbox yet ?
1545012;1474304045;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel dun mind the esteemed lords, they just hate young men for the obvious reason.
1545013;1474304056;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: nope.
1545014;1474304061;asciilifeform;eh.
1545015;1474304072;gabriel_laddel;nothing was going on this weekend!
1545016;1474304170;asciilifeform;if gabriel_laddel does not care to listen to asciilifeform's observation, it is strictly his own problem. but here it is, for phreeeeee: you cannot abstract against broken software, with other software. or at all.
1545017;1474304205;mircea_popescu;actually afaik this is formally proven.
1545018;1474304221;mircea_popescu;(the "with software" part, i mean)
1545019;1474304262;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: look, we can and do hack around and get things done in broken software everyday. If an environment exists in which one can WITH A SINGLE PROCEDURE CALL write the "world" out to a USB/CD/whatever it should be a plenty stable platform for whatever computations are required for new hardware.
1545020;1474304276;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: and then we are stuck with the pile of hack.
1545021;1474304282;asciilifeform;which the next gabriel_laddel tries to abstract against.
1545022;1474304287;trinque;ftr I would not begrudge a new emacs
1545023;1474304291;asciilifeform;result: winblows 10
1545024;1474304307;gabriel_laddel;what, you want to design the loper device using punch cards?
1545025;1474304310;trinque;but it will be a new emacs, and I will regard it with the same resentment
1545026;1474304317;gabriel_laddel;why even bother with gossipd?
1545027;1474304334;asciilifeform;programmers have a mindboggling lack of grasp of basic ecology even compared to illiterate afghani goat herders.
1545028;1474304335;mircea_popescu;you notice gossipd as specified is not related to implementation yes ?
1545029;1474304344;phf;trinque: there's a handful of adequate contenders, problem with emacs is that everyone wants all those hacky, emacs-version-specific .el files that actually do stuff
1545030;1474304359;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: "but you can't abstract over hardware"
1545031;1474304364;gabriel_laddel;nuh un, no way
1545032;1474304376;gabriel_laddel;can't and doesn't happen. Never ever ever.
1545033;1474304379;mircea_popescu;you're talking about different things, though.
1545034;1474304384;gabriel_laddel;are we?
1545035;1474304406;gabriel_laddel;trinque: climacs?
1545036;1474304420;gabriel_laddel;trinque: afaik, solves all the problems with the old one (lack of multithreading, elisp is crap etc)
1545037;1474304439;asciilifeform;except for the part where it needs clim
1545038;1474304443;gabriel_laddel;trinque: also can display arbitrary graphics
1545039;1474304460;asciilifeform;at 5fps.
1545040;1474304464;asciilifeform;with athena.
1545041;1474304504;phf;asciilifeform: fwiw there isn't actual athena in mcclim, it's a skin designed to look that way
1545042;1474304515;gabriel_laddel;!!google cap-lore.com "gabriel laddel"
1545043;1474304516;deedbot;No results.
1545044;1474304520;asciilifeform;phf: even worse!
1545045;1474304530;asciilifeform;'i'm not a transgendered goat, i dress up as one voluntarily'
1545046;1474304607;mircea_popescu;yes. the "can't abstract broken software with other software" is a restatement of godel, "There may not exist specific algorithm A for any formal system F that includes statements of certain elementary mathematical truth as well as its own consistency so that A will create subsystem F' which is consistent and an homology of F"
1545047;1474304622;trinque;gabriel_laddel: I called *your* thing an emacs, figuratively. It is "chinatown", place within a place.
1545048;1474304653;trinque;this isn't a reason not to do it, but it describes limitations that are unavoidable
1545049;1474304663;trinque;google *will* rape the linux out from under you
1545050;1474304670;gabriel_laddel;how?
1545051;1474304673;gabriel_laddel;they'll steal my computers?
1545052;1474304703;trinque;this "denial as motivational mechanism" thing is *why* the esteemed lordship hates young men, ftr
1545053;1474304705;trinque;:p
1545054;1474304707;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: they trivially, six time before breakfast, make it ~impossible to reproduce your comp
1545055;1474304721;phf;asciilifeform: that was an fyi. mcclim's x backend is clx, i.e. fully networked. there's no actually ffi of any kind happening there
1545056;1474304722;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: my comp already reproduces on identical hardware!
1545057;1474304729;trinque;one should have a plan to make hardware if he intends to do anything in computing going forward.
1545058;1474304737;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: which you make with own hands, out of mineral ?
1545059;1474304740;trinque;gabriel_laddel: it does not reproduce the hardware!
1545060;1474304751;gabriel_laddel;holy fuck ebay exists
1545061;1474304753;asciilifeform;phf: i know this.
1545062;1474304785;mircea_popescu;this is getting painful to watch.
1545063;1474304790;asciilifeform;^
1545064;1474304802;mircea_popescu;no but. everyone talking about his own thing! what is this!
1545065;1474304839;mircea_popescu;trinque having a sane prototype is not a bad idea ; whether you can or you can't make it.
1545066;1474304854;asciilifeform;there is no such thing as sane prototype of insane concept.
1545067;1474304854;trinque;oh, I told him "make the thing" and always do
1545068;1474304878;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a) all concepts are insane ; b) the only way this is ever usefully established is through prototyping.
1545069;1474304895;phf;asciilifeform: well, then you're saying things that contradict what you claim to know
1545070;1474304900;asciilifeform;i dun need to actually construct railway bridge from toothpicks to say conclusively that it is dumb.
1545071;1474304915;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform YOU don't. because one's ideology, ie, theoretical insight, is a shield for that one.
1545072;1474304920;mircea_popescu;but this speaks not of railroads.
1545073;1474304928;asciilifeform;hey, who insists - can go, build.
1545074;1474304930;mircea_popescu;railroad bridge DOES need to be constructed out of toothpicks.
1545075;1474304948;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel
1545076;1474304948;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1545077;1474304963;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: you remember my asking after a hardware database?
1545078;1474304988;mircea_popescu;ehehehe. did i mention very early trilema was discussing the eventual mysql chip ?
1545079;1474305008;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc the thread was about a pedestrian list of 'hardware we like'
1545080;1474305013;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: essentially I would like all information available about all hardware vendors, neatly organized.
1545081;1474305013;asciilifeform;rather than 'electrical db'
1545082;1474305023;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: it is a very very short list.
1545083;1474305024;gabriel_laddel;even if this is just a list of .pdf files I can parse
1545084;1474305028;*;trinque isn't mad at the idea of a hardware db
1545085;1474305047;phf;a friend of mine bought a house in san francisco last year, because he's working on "mysql chip", really an fpga that does a bunch of mysql specific optimizations. (mostly query compilation)
1545086;1474305064;gabriel_laddel;and on that note, I'm off.
1545087;1474305065;asciilifeform;phf: this is actually a mature market in, e.g., gene sequence biz
1545088;1474305073;asciilifeform;phf: can buy by the crate.
1545089;1474305081;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/curiozitate-calculatoristica/#selection-73.0-77.118 << "The question then is, when do you suppose we'll see the first MySql chip, incapable of loading an os or anything"
1545090;1474305116;trinque;phf: iirc couple companies are bolting GPUs to postgres too
1545091;1474305120;mircea_popescu;phf im pretty sure that if db-on-a-chip happens, it'll be mysql first. much to the chagrin of sane people.
1545092;1474305130;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it would if it could.
1545093;1474305140;asciilifeform;thing dun map well to single-purpose si.
1545094;1474305149;mircea_popescu;myeah. afaik no statically linked mysql was yet made, which is kinda a first step
1545095;1474305194;trinque;since gabriel_laddel reads logs, the point was, if you're building atop linux, better actually know linux
1545096;1474305204;trinque;iirc another such character did pretty well bolting shiny things to a BSD
1545097;1474305227;asciilifeform;well, did well in the circus
1545098;1474305236;asciilifeform;where shiny - counts.
1545099;1474305304;trinque;if he even gets an inkling that there's a professional computing market that'll be useful information.
1545100;1474305328;asciilifeform;trinque: there is a pro number crunching market.
1545101;1474305336;asciilifeform;there ~isn't a pro computing market.
1545102;1474305346;asciilifeform;(as in, with human, in a chair, looking at a screen)
1545103;1474305349;mircea_popescu;really, making a lisp that works for serious applications in this sense is outside his pay grade
1545104;1474305480;mircea_popescu;but anyway, leaving the discussion aside for a moment to focus on the meta discussion : am i the only one who's a little irked by the fact that kid wants to do x, gets list of instructions to not do x ? what is this, the nuclear family, elementary unit of the state ?
1545105;1474305508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what is to be gained from ~not telling~ the kid that the dead end is a dead end ?
1545106;1474305522;mircea_popescu;really ?
1545107;1474305532;asciilifeform;it isn't as if we tied him to a pole to keep him from going into it.
1545108;1474305538;mircea_popescu;"dad i wanna get married" "honeybunch, you'll get old and your tits will sag and it'll suck. don't get married, it's a dead end"
1545109;1474305576;mircea_popescu;it ~is~ as if all you wanna talk about is why he shouldn't do what he figures he wants to do. this isn't very bright, is it ?
1545110;1474305585;mircea_popescu;give kid as much rope to hang self with as kid can carry.
1545111;1474305619;asciilifeform;i'd personally rather see folks explore directions that haven't been explored to agonizing death and conclusively mapped as dead.
1545112;1474305631;mircea_popescu;but who asked you ?
1545113;1474305631;asciilifeform;but possibly that's just me.
1545114;1474305648;mircea_popescu;no, it's not just you, it's me too. but he didn't ask us!
1545115;1474305651;trinque;doesn't bother me one bit, only demonstrated that "I don't know how to network these two machines" and got thunked to... learn that.
1545116;1474305651;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in point of fact, gabriel_laddel asked.
1545117;1474305658;mircea_popescu;link me ?
1545118;1474305702;mircea_popescu;trinque his objection is to the notion of "learn" and "knowledge" involved in that statement though, you might've noticed. and i don't really see it's altogether weak.
1545119;1474305727;asciilifeform;!#s from:gabriel_laddel
1545120;1474305727;a111;3092 results for "from:gabriel_laddel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Agabriel_laddel
1545121;1474305740;mircea_popescu;what, seriously, he asked you 3092 times ?
1545122;1474305750;asciilifeform;fella 'asks' regularly, 'my bulldog head that i stitched onto this rhinoceros just won't wake up, plox help'
1545123;1474305758;mircea_popescu;this is not that, however.
1545124;1474305792;trinque;mircea_popescu: he is *not* replacing the underlying system and thus cannot avoid developing comprehensive knowledge of how *it* works before plonking whatever atop it and calling it something
1545125;1474305801;trinque;I will deny he "knows" masamune on the same grounds
1545126;1474305828;mircea_popescu;trinque yah, but now it's in a much better formulation. at least to my taste.
1545127;1474305831;asciilifeform;a dude who believes that he is genuinely solving some actual problem by bolting a gui onto 'portage', is engaging in willful idiocy
1545128;1474305837;asciilifeform;precisely of the kind mircea_popescu and other sane folk decry
1545129;1474305841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can you show this to be truth ?
1545130;1474305878;mircea_popescu;(i'm not even proposing it isn't, just wanna see what the showing would look like.)
1545131;1474305905;asciilifeform;depending on what kind of 'show' -- straight to (as mircea_popescu cited earlier) the good doctor godel
1545132;1474305949;asciilifeform;but if instead 'practical' demonstration - can point to nearly any pile of shit in software land as proof
1545133;1474305951;mircea_popescu;anyway. most of my concern is that your (plural) heartfelt advice is remarkably unpersuasive. gotta wonder wtf devil is at work here.
1545134;1474305974;asciilifeform;it is unpersuasive for the very familiar reason that every boy thinks himself uncrowned king of universe
1545135;1474306001;asciilifeform;(which translates into an amazing spectrum of cognitive slips)
1545136;1474306038;asciilifeform;'if i don't understand how foobar works, i can declare it irrelevant and never need to understand'
1545137;1474306057;asciilifeform;'if foobar is broken, i will put it in BIG FUCKING BOTTLE from which it WON'T DARE escape'
1545138;1474306058;asciilifeform;etc.
1545139;1474306069;mircea_popescu;there is some of that.
1545140;1474306074;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5269
1545141;1474306097;mircea_popescu;but it's also structurally broken ; because it fails to neatly reduce uncrowned king of universe via reduction to absurd. which is the measure of persuasion, apud socrates.
1545142;1474306104;asciilifeform;at no point is the notion that 'irrelevant' foobar will dissolve the bottle, the desk, the floor, the house, your mother, and you, and the town - contemplated.
1545143;1474306129;mircea_popescu;ipso definitio.
1545144;1474306205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your potential 'clean' and structurally-perfect philosophical pill will have same 0 effect as my 'dirty' one.
1545145;1474306212;asciilifeform;because the ill is not curable.
1545146;1474306243;mircea_popescu;the ill gotta be curable at least on occasion, or else you're stuck explaining this place.
1545147;1474306269;asciilifeform;the one thing that cures is the years going by and the patient bashing himself bloody against the concrete wall of the 'ignored and abstracted'.
1545148;1474306298;mircea_popescu;hence http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#374 yes ?
1545149;1474306299;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [17:19:45] <mircea_popescu> give kid as much rope to hang self with as kid can carry.
1545150;1474306312;mircea_popescu;gotta be a lot more nurturing in the way of rope supplies, by your own theory ?
1545151;1474306324;asciilifeform;eh hey i dun recall ever deying him the requested rope.
1545152;1474306327;asciilifeform;e.g., today's netcat.
1545153;1474306333;asciilifeform;*denying
1545154;1474306335;mircea_popescu;this is tru.
1545155;1474306380;mircea_popescu;"dad, i want to put the cat's head on the dog's body, can i borrow your hair trimmer ?" "that won't work, it's too small and it will get clogged in blood. here's the chainsaw."
1545156;1474306415;mircea_popescu;and if the above horrifies wife, get rid of her.
1545157;1474306455;asciilifeform;speaking of which, did mircea_popescu ever visit town of barriloche ?
1545158;1474306460;asciilifeform;where mengele et al lived out their days.
1545159;1474306466;asciilifeform;iirc it isn't far from mircea_popesculandia.
1545160;1474306538;asciilifeform;( it must've been a real downer for these folks, who turned into boring, snoring car mechanics, dentists, etc. 'hey, remember when we used to saw dude apart and stitch his head onto his arse? ' 'shuddup, pass the oil pan' )
1545161;1474306848;ben_vulpes;in other 'own thing', 'prototyping' and 'omgwtfbbq' nyooz, this is where i threw my hands up and went to bed last night: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m8mjo/?raw=true
1545162;1474306905;ben_vulpes;obvs my thinger is broken in that the hash is wrong, but amusingly i get the sequence number as tx in index
1545163;1474306938;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 0xffffffff ???
1545164;1474306974;ben_vulpes;however many f's you need for a u256
1545165;1474307017;ben_vulpes;but the strange thing is that i read the sequence number where i expected to see the index
1545166;1474307028;asciilifeform;endian issue ?
1545167;1474307033;ben_vulpes;so now to the source and hexdump to see how individual transactions are structured
1545168;1474307060;asciilifeform;source, lulzily, is quite unhelpful because of the 'serialization' abstraction it liberally makes use of
1545169;1474307077;ben_vulpes;i doubt it, as everything so far is little-endian, and only by convention reversed by early block explorers to show the zeros first or who the fuck knows i've never found a sensible explanation for reversing block hashes (and only block hashes!)
1545170;1474307093;ben_vulpes;oh trust me i fucking know
1545171;1474307131;asciilifeform;https://github.com/lbotsch/wireshark-bitcoin << not a wholly bad guide to the thing
1545172;1474307140;asciilifeform;esp. if coupled with actual working wireshark + trb node.
1545173;1474307226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform haven't bothered, no.
1545174;1474307242;*;ben_vulpes is looking for the log line where asciilifeform made a comment about how the block structure was trivially deduceable from the source, a few days ago after i published the header serialization snippet
1545175;1474307246;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw, i have nfi what, if anything, is left there to see.
1545176;1474307253;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1545177;1474307266;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'trivially' means different things to different people.
1545178;1474307313;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: but look on bright side: if you have the thing running on your box, it won't run away, you can vivisect it until you learn whatever you wanted to learn.
1545179;1474307347;asciilifeform;you will never have to go to the town market to buy a new rhinoceros or new bulldog, you can cut the head of this one as many times as it takes.
1545180;1474307377;mircea_popescu;word.
1545181;1474307385;ben_vulpes;yeah i have the vast majority of blocks serialized to disk and am trimming them apart.
1545182;1474307398;mircea_popescu;the jools you'll find...
1545183;1474307413;mircea_popescu;iirc "this means your disk now contains child porn".
1545184;1474307425;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: these already lived in a consecutive pile.
1545185;1474307438;asciilifeform;!#s blkcut
1545186;1474307439;a111;25 results for "blkcut", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=blkcut
1545187;1474307444;ben_vulpes;yes i recall
1545188;1474307514;ben_vulpes;i'm leaning on dumpblock to get them in chain-order
1545189;1474307547;ben_vulpes;(and only the ones in the main chain, atm)
1545190;1474307569;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it helps to remember that the blockchain is ~not~ in actuality a simple linear sequence
1545191;1474307582;asciilifeform;at the frayed tail end, it is ~always~ potentially bifurcated
1545192;1474307587;ben_vulpes;'tis a tree
1545193;1474307598;asciilifeform;(and trb does in fact store orphaned blocks eternally)
1545194;1474307606;ben_vulpes;and i believe that the thing hangs on to short chains
1545195;1474307615;asciilifeform;it hangs on to any orphaned chain
1545196;1474307623;asciilifeform;because there is no fundamental way to weasel out of doing so
1545197;1474307636;asciilifeform;(you don't know that it will be orphaned until later)
1545198;1474307643;asciilifeform;this is quite obvious, neh ?
1545199;1474307647;ben_vulpes;rather.
1545200;1474307669;ben_vulpes;when i need to handle reorgs, i'll do so.
1545201;1474307703;asciilifeform;i ran into this caltrop when diffing my blocks with mircea_popescu's way back when
1545202;1474307712;asciilifeform;when i was doing the repeatable-sync experiments.
1545203;1474307722;ben_vulpes;mhm
1545204;1474307734;asciilifeform;turned out that we had differing records of orphaned blox.
1545205;1474307741;asciilifeform;in handful of spots.
1545206;1474307742;ben_vulpes;while i have your attention, asciilifeform, am i doing this entirely incorrectly? http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/azncd/?raw=true
1545207;1474307777;ben_vulpes;(if the thing had an adult database, the tree would fall naturally out of foreign keys on height, from each block to its parents)
1545208;1474307822;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what do you have against 'case' operator ?
1545209;1474307841;ben_vulpes;oh! none.
1545210;1474307859;ben_vulpes;easily fixed. i'm more interested in correct use-of-binary-types
1545211;1474307877;asciilifeform;it is painful to read
1545212;1474307894;ben_vulpes;i wasted an inordinate amount of time on various false starts in storing variable length fields.
1545213;1474307896;asciilifeform;and your cases fallthrough into neverneverland
1545214;1474307908;ben_vulpes;fell back to a setf from read-binary.
1545215;1474307913;ben_vulpes;my cases in particular?
1545216;1474307922;asciilifeform;e.g., what happens if first-octet is < 253 ?
1545217;1474307938;asciilifeform;or hm nm
1545218;1474307940;ben_vulpes;funny, that's the exact same misread trinque made.
1545219;1474308438;phf;ben_vulpes: you don't have to store first-octet since, it's a property of variable-integer (also if you change variable-integer, you'll have to make sure to correspondingly update first-octet)
1545220;1474308581;asciilifeform;(defmethod sizeof ((type varint))
1545221;1474308581;asciilifeform;  (with-slots (first-octet)
1545222;1474308581;asciilifeform;      type
1545223;1474308581;asciilifeform;    (case first-octet
1545224;1474308582;asciilifeform;      (253 3)
1545225;1474308583;asciilifeform;      (254 5)
1545226;1474308584;asciilifeform;      (255 9)
1545227;1474308586;asciilifeform;      (t 1))))
1545228;1474308588;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^
1545229;1474308625;asciilifeform;and similar for the other one.
1545230;1474308645;phf;well, while asciilifeform's yak shaving, i don't think this is correct way to handle the type
1545231;1474308688;asciilifeform;phf: i dunno that binary-types offers a clean way of handling this type
1545232;1474308689;ben_vulpes;far tidier asciilifeform ty
1545233;1474308703;ben_vulpes;phf: i am open, nay, desperate for alternatives
1545234;1474308761;ben_vulpes;phf: i do believe that i have to hold onto first-octet, if it's less than 253 it *is* the length.
1545235;1474308772;phf;ben_vulpes: no.
1545236;1474308780;ben_vulpes;go on?
1545237;1474308791;phf;the type is called compact size (in bitcoin src parlance), it is simply an number. the reader reads a byte, decides what to do, ultimately returns ~the number~
1545238;1474308849;phf;so it's up to reader to decide if it should return first octet as ~the number~ or read first octet and read a bunch of stuff after and return that as ~the number~
1545239;1474308872;ben_vulpes;gotcha
1545240;1474308898;phf;the writer likewise knows all it needs to know about how to serialize from ~the number~. the check becomes "in which range it is, in which case write it thus"
1545241;1474308901;ben_vulpes;mhm!
1545242;1474308905;ben_vulpes;thank you very much.
1545243;1474308946;asciilifeform;well the thing that presumably drew ben_vulpes to using 'binary-types' is the notion that 'describe the type and never have to manually craft readers/writers'
1545244;1474308955;asciilifeform;which unfortunately isn't the case for variable-length types in it
1545245;1474308965;asciilifeform;and the 'correct' thing to do would be to extend it such that it would be.
1545246;1474308966;ben_vulpes;spot on
1545247;1474308981;asciilifeform;but whether this is worth the sweat, i cannot say.
1545248;1474308993;ben_vulpes;conveniently, the generic for read-binary accepts other keys, into which i can pass a length for reading
1545249;1474309041;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: it is imho entirely worth the sweat
1545250;1474309060;ben_vulpes;otherwise what, write parsing of entire structure by hand? and then reserialization?
1545251;1474309072;ben_vulpes;noty, i would like to constrain the attack surface to satoshis retardation.
1545252;1474309100;phf;well, step two after writing compact size reader/writer is to figure out how to make a general purpose "binary-type object of count `compact size`"
1545253;1474309108;asciilifeform;it isn't even about 'attack surfaces', but for getting maximally compact description. i.e. fits-in-head.
1545254;1474309175;ben_vulpes;phf: is that particular 'compact size' anything like other hand-rolled variable length integers in c-land?
1545255;1474309202;ben_vulpes;once i have a stake in the varint it will go precisely nowhere.
1545256;1474309279;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: the maximally compact description is 3-4 'binary classes', and some hairy braindamage around the varint and scripts.
1545257;1474309281;phf;ben_vulpes: well, what you're calling "varint" is called compact size in bitcoin source, and it's used exclusively as a size prefix for variable length lists <compact size><item 1><item 2><item 3>
1545258;1474309283;ben_vulpes;at least from where i'm sitting today.
1545259;1474309318;ben_vulpes;phf: yes? i...know.
1545260;1474309373;phf;oh, then i don't grok your question. "yes, it's exactly like any other hand-rolled variable length integer in c land"
1545261;1474309394;ben_vulpes;perhaps i misunderstand you, but once i have the type, sizeof, read-binary and write-binary implemented, then i'll have a "general purpose 'binary type object of count `compact size`'"
1545262;1474309396;phf;ooh, you don't write c, yes, it's a common pattern
1545263;1474309434;phf;hmm
1545264;1474309447;ben_vulpes;and the whole "if less than 253, that's the number, if equal then read the next octet, if blablabla" is that consistent across c-land?
1545265;1474309459;ben_vulpes;i only intended to write the compact size reader, not take it out of bitcoinland.
1545266;1474309462;phf;no, but it's a common pattern
1545267;1474309463;ben_vulpes;(and writer)
1545268;1474309472;asciilifeform;it's a very sad pattern though. promisetronic. in that you have a format ~in your head~ and then write 'reader' and 'writer' and there is no machine-assured isomorphism between the one and the other, and definitely not with the format.
1545269;1474309494;ben_vulpes;i don't even think you can have max compact size anything in trb.
1545270;1474309512;ben_vulpes;did some late night back-of-the envelope on script length and miminum transaction size and i don't recall it breaching u32
1545271;1474309516;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: was general observation.
1545272;1474309540;asciilifeform;and think for 10 seconds
1545273;1474309545;asciilifeform;tx can't be any bigger than block.
1545274;1474309563;asciilifeform;but idiot author wanted 'generality', so we now have this.
1545275;1474309574;ben_vulpes;i have thought about this for at least ten seconds.
1545276;1474309590;phf;ben_vulpes: i still think there's some misunderstanding. once you have a compact size reader, you don't automatically get "read N objects of compact size count"
1545277;1474309594;ben_vulpes;generally try to keep the snr-damaging wailing and gnashing to my self.
1545278;1474309655;ben_vulpes;phf, yes, that's why i pass a 'byte-count' keyword argument to the read-binary method for script bytes
1545279;1474309724;ben_vulpes;eg http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/q8qud/?raw=true
1545280;1474309729;phf;the entire thing you posted is and only is compact size.
1545281;1474309739;ben_vulpes;well yeah we were only talking about compact size!
1545282;1474309767;ben_vulpes;standby 2
1545283;1474309818;ben_vulpes;(there's a fair amount of garbage in the thing i didn't feel like cluttering the discusison with)
1545284;1474309857;phf;ben_vulpes: ok, so that second paste is i guess not "general purpose", you'll have to write a reader/writer for every structure that has compact size'd parts in it
1545285;1474309894;ben_vulpes;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d6kbl/?raw=true << i have to run for a bit
1545286;1474309920;ben_vulpes;but yeah, anything that has compact size parts needs custom readers and writers.
1545287;1474309955;phf;so you're either stuck with that, or you figure out how to make it general purpose :>
1545288;1474309983;ben_vulpes;something like that
1545289;1474309985;*;ben_vulpes really off now
1545290;1474309988;phf;kk
1545291;1474310073;phf;it's a worthwhile attempt anyway, because implementing binary types from scratch with necessary parts to support bitcoin is not that hard. mine is 129 lines
1545292;1474310106;phf;err, it's worthwhile attempt because binary types core is small and easy to understand, and likewise easy to write own
1545293;1474310139;asciilifeform;phf: is yours posted somewhere ?
1545294;1474310171;phf;i lisp pasted it a year ago, but i'll dig it up if you're interested. it's hairy though
1545295;1474310184;asciilifeform;would be interesting to read side by side with ben_vulpes's
1545296;1474310200;phf;gives you defs like
1545297;1474310207;phf;(define-proto-structure tx ()
1545298;1474310207;phf;  (4       version                      uint32_t     1)
1545299;1474310207;phf;  (nil     txin                         (compactSize-uint txin))
1545300;1474310209;phf;  (nil     txout                        (compactSize-uint txout))
1545301;1474310212;phf;  (4       lock-time                    uint32_t))
1545302;1474310213;phf;(define-proto-structure txin ()
1545303;1474310218;phf;  (36      previous-output              outpoint)
1545304;1474310221;phf;  (nil     signature-script             (compactSize-uint char))
1545305;1474310224;phf;  (4       sequence                     uint32_t))
1545306;1474310224;phf; 
1545307;1474310241;asciilifeform;l0l! was this auto-generated from something ?
1545308;1474310282;phf;i'm trying to remember what i used as reference
1545309;1474310328;phf;i think it aws en.bitcoin.it
1545310;1474310330;*;asciilifeform mutters 'what if i'm on a box with 7-trit trytes'...
1545311;1474310331;phf;*was
1545312;1474310393;asciilifeform;!#s tritcoin
1545313;1474310394;a111;1 result for "tritcoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tritcoin
1545314;1474310407;asciilifeform;hah.
1545315;1474310414;phf;it doesn't matter, because on your box with 7-trit trytes you make your reader/writer infrastructure read it correctly
1545316;1474310423;asciilifeform;well yes but the '4' !11111
1545317;1474310439;asciilifeform;at any rate.
1545318;1474310591;phf;well, you write your heathen-octet-stream wrapper around your default sb-internal::binary-trit-tryte-input, so that read-byte on a stream gives you the right things
1545319;1474310604;asciilifeform;!~later tell mircea_popescu your new page's section IV oughta link to trb
1545320;1474310605;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1545321;1474310635;phf;i agree though, the numbers are unnecessary, i'll have to borrow the whole sizeof concept :>
1545322;1474310661;asciilifeform;phf: interestingly, the ada folks got this right.
1545323;1474310680;asciilifeform;http://sworthodoxy.blogspot.com/2014/03/ada-vs-c-bit-fields.html << see also.
1545324;1474310780;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> "dad i wanna get married" "honeybunch, you'll get old and your tits will sag and it'll suck. don't get married, it's a dead end" << LOL
1545325;1474311013;phf;asciilifeform: ha, still doesn't account for 7-trit machines!
1545326;1474311032;asciilifeform;phf: not directly, no.
1545327;1474311247;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#461 << technically you don't know it will be orphaned ever, because "being orphan" is not a quality of a block/chain. if tomorrow we decide to extend an "orphan" from 2014 and in the process strand extant bitcoin, we ~can~.  
1545328;1474311247;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [17:53:56] <asciilifeform> (you don't know that it will be orphaned until later)
1545329;1474311256;asciilifeform;well yes.
1545330;1474311269;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it does link ? http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1545331;1474311295;asciilifeform;aha!
1545332;1474311320;asciilifeform;i must've missed.
1545333;1474311341;mircea_popescu;in a sense getting rid of historical "orphans" is very much community-trying-to-insure against the nature of the blockchain.
1545334;1474311366;mircea_popescu;doesn't work, of course, but then again lemmings aren't looking for solutions ; merely for the appearance thereof.
1545335;1474311456;asciilifeform;my original point was that the 'linear' blockchain is very much an after-the-fact flattening
1545336;1474311465;asciilifeform;rather than the form in which it is representable in real time.
1545337;1474311501;mircea_popescu;much like a "press", it's a personal take on the lightcone as-it-is.
1545338;1474311550;asciilifeform;aha.
1545339;1474311576;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#501 << fucking utf everywhere.
1545340;1474311576;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:13:11] <phf> the type is called compact size (in bitcoin src parlance), it is simply an number. the reader reads a byte, decides what to do, ultimately returns ~the number~
1545341;1474311610;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#507 << iirc what drew him was that you told him to.
1545342;1474311611;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:15:46] <asciilifeform> well the thing that presumably drew ben_vulpes to using 'binary-types' is the notion that 'describe the type and never have to manually craft readers/writers'
1545343;1474311650;asciilifeform;it was and remains the best starting point for sanity.
1545344;1474311653;asciilifeform;afaik.
1545345;1474311736;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: imho section ix ought to link to ben_vulpes's mega-article on subj
1545346;1474311746;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#528 << first time i ever heard of it. also fucking stupid, 253 = 11111101 lord have mercy.
1545347;1474311746;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:24:07] <ben_vulpes> and the whole "if less than 253, that's the number, if equal then read the next octet, if blablabla" is that consistent across c-land?
1545348;1474311760;asciilifeform;it was closest thing there was to a 'textbook of v'
1545349;1474311776;mircea_popescu;link ?
1545350;1474311838;asciilifeform;http://cascadianhacker.com/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system
1545351;1474311847;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#534 << not since we drove stake through hearn-gavin shambler heart. but "in the future" of retardation, i'm sure there will be.
1545352;1474311849;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:25:12] <ben_vulpes> did some late night back-of-the envelope on script length and miminum transaction size and i don't recall it breaching u32
1545353;1474311859;mircea_popescu;oh yeah! adding.
1545354;1474311952;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the formatting of ^ suffered greatly from the wordpressification.
1545355;1474312010;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/1zGfH << the imho more readable original. for now.
1545356;1474312040;phf;from the "wat" department https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1799205/sex-change-soldier-is-britains-first-female-to-fight-on-front-line-after-being-born-a-boy/
1545357;1474312053;asciilifeform;rule brittania.
1545358;1474312078;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#537 << if only. re  http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoind-not-quite-ready-for-prime-time/#selection-77.298-77.423 etc.
1545359;1474312079;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [18:25:45] <asciilifeform> tx can't be any bigger than block.
1545360;1474312116;mircea_popescu;which of course reminds one of http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm and so on.
1545361;1474312132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the failure to generate 1MB tx is promisetronic, not protocolic, though.
1545362;1474312140;asciilifeform;you could - in principle - fix.
1545363;1474312150;mircea_popescu;not really ; miners' junk is broken.
1545364;1474312161;asciilifeform;well that there's ye olde 'high S' problem, aha
1545365;1474312164;mircea_popescu;mostly because grown mushroom style.
1545366;1474312165;asciilifeform;convince somebody to mine.
1545367;1474312187;asciilifeform;and to call it mushroom is insult to mushrooms; it is fungus on public toilet.
1545368;1474312274;mircea_popescu;also true.
1545369;1474312425;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: rather sad, innit
1545370;1474312460;ben_vulpes;the formatopalypse
1545371;1474312473;ben_vulpes;at least i have blog-unique footnote refs now
1545372;1474312475;ben_vulpes;and comments!
1545373;1474312484;ben_vulpes;i received a /spam/ comment.
1545374;1474312486;ben_vulpes;my first!
1545375;1474312506;mircea_popescu;wd!
1545376;1474312506;thestringpuller;i'm so proud of you ben_vulpes. i knew you could do it!
1545377;1474312512;thestringpuller;I always believed in you!
1545378;1474312553;ben_vulpes;menial wwwtronix are just a matter of time
1545379;1474312755;ben_vulpes;in other satoshisms, i found a bottle of contact lens solution that turned out to have high vitamin e oil for topical use in it
1545380;1474312766;ben_vulpes;found, last night. discovered its contents, this morning.
1545381;1474312787;*;ben_vulpes will ooze hydrocarbons from the eyes for days, probably
1545382;1474312802;asciilifeform;pull the hose off the shop wall, wash ?
1545383;1474312851;ben_vulpes;not a bad idea
1545384;1474312858;ben_vulpes;contacts are definitely toast.
1545385;1474314792;shinohai;For Flint, MI lulz:   http://archive.is/jb2MI
1545386;1474314973;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm << is pretty golden reread.
1545387;1474315003;asciilifeform;'Do you grasp this? Bitcoin will never exist as a toy for five idiots. You will never get to matter inasmuch as what you want to do is have this little black box the world reveres that only you are allowed to peer inside. This is not how the world works, currently (and past about 1800 or so). This is not how the world should work, either. Specifying the code does not "result in fiascoes like this one". Your idiotic codebase results i
1545388;1474315004;asciilifeform;n in fiascoes like this one. Specification is the way out of it, and most importantly specification is the way out of having you idiots create fiascoes like this one randomly, one at a time, for the unforeseeable future. ' -- mpoepr
1545389;1474315103;asciilifeform;'If the miners had half a clue they'd have told Idiot Co-op exactly where to stuff it, and here's the beauty of it: with the arrival of ASICs and their significant capital cost, the odds that the sort of feelgood ninnies currently involved in mining will still be around are nil. ' << if only this had been !
1545390;1474315554;asciilifeform;'What there's need for is people to sit down with a cup of coffee and a (preferably printed) copy of the code and just read it through. This can be done in bits as long as the bits aren't arbitrarily segmented (it's ok to summarize a procedure, it's not ok to summarize between lines 520 and 545). Once we have a few of these completed we're already very far down the road.' << mpoepr
1545391;1474315573;asciilifeform;lel, i never even read this before.
1545392;1474315598;*;asciilifeform did not frequent tardstalk when it was alive, never had acct there
1545393;1474315894;shinohai;You're not missing much.
1545394;1474316177;ben_vulpes;http://cascadianhacker.com/21_a-tour-of-bitcoind-booting-to-its-first-thread << i should do another of these!
1545395;1474316199;ben_vulpes;(another horribly formatted import from the old site, complete with broken images)
1545396;1474316444;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> You're not missing much. << At one point a person would have missed many lolz by skipping out
1545397;1474316596;shinohai;I know but there aren't even lolz any more, nary an ingenious scam to be found.
1545398;1474316695;shinohai;I think the whole place is inhabited now by human shannonizers that make mindless posts for 50 cents in satoshi a day.
1545399;1474318327;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/nj-hamplanet-chris-christies-own-lawyer-calls-him-a-liar/ << Qntra - NJ Hamplanet Chris Christie's Own Lawyer Calls Him A Liar
1545400;1474319604;mircea_popescu;Birdman well apparently your 3d drivers are shot ?
1545401;1474319604;mircea_popescu;<mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#652 << remarkable how ahead of her time she was.
1545402;1474319606;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [19:56:13] <asciilifeform> http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/in-re-bitcoin-devs-are-idiots.htm << is pretty golden reread.
1545403;1474319658;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#655 << she was spot-on, actually. i don't think anyone who wasn't here can even grok what sort of copumpkin-esque imbeciles counted for miners back then. it's cleared immensely.
1545404;1474319659;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [19:58:22] <asciilifeform> 'If the miners had half a clue they'd have told Idiot Co-op exactly where to stuff it, and here's the beauty of it: with the arrival of ASICs and their significant capital cost, the odds that the sort of feelgood ninnies currently involved in mining will still be around are nil. ' << if only this had been !
1545405;1474319842;mircea_popescu;and in other "we forgot how to do it" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/9bb75d2478bb05786cfff6a5ba46278f/tumblr_mm8fu3y9ky1rmxgp0o1_1280.jpg
1545406;1474320940;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/google-and-apple-break-compatibility-with-new-developer-product-releases/ << Qntra - Google And Apple Break Compatibility With New Developer Product Releases
1545407;1474321920;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1ovm
1545408;1474321920;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1545409;1474321932;BingoBoingo;In classic trilema http://trilema.com/
1545410;1474321942;BingoBoingo;* http://trilema.com/2013/wallmart-or-the-mall-a-debate/
1545411;1474322168;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/cash-seized-by-nypd-uncounted-and-untracked/ << Qntra - Cash Seized By NYPD Uncounted And Untracked
1545412;1474322287;shinohai;Maybe an increase in civil-asset forfeiture block sizes would help.
1545413;1474322436;shinohai;Sorry BingoBoingo I left out "would be required" after the " invoices each year.” quote
1545414;1474322489;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1545415;1474322505;shinohai;!~ty
1545416;1474322505;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1545417;1474324523;ben_vulpes;today, i am electing to not implement a logout button.
1545418;1474324527;ben_vulpes;why would you ever want to log users out?
1545419;1474324535;ben_vulpes;that just makes it harder to get their money later.
1545420;1474324537;ben_vulpes;psh.
1545421;1474324544;asciilifeform;next abolish 'log in'
1545422;1474324568;ben_vulpes;now that you mention it, 'log in' entails a link in yr email.
1545423;1474324606;ben_vulpes;yeah actually now that you mention it, i'm abolishing users altogether.
1545424;1474324663;asciilifeform;system without lusers, aha, like soup without flies!111111 (tm) (r) (BOFH)
1545425;1474324724;ben_vulpes;more users, more problems.
1545426;1474325799;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/nigerian-students-scammed-by-alabama-state-university/ << Qntra - Nigerian Students Scammed By Alabama State University
1545427;1474325985;ben_vulpes;i haven't seen gribble quit in some time.
1545428;1474326150;mircea_popescu;and in further hatespeech, http://65.media.tumblr.com/4be4d9998c39d363099cc70e5b73b674/tumblr_nlrycyiKM21sgp77yo1_1280.jpg
1545429;1474326259;mircea_popescu;lol the last two qntras, epic stuff.
1545430;1474326477;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1owq
1545431;1474326477;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1545432;1474326521;shinohai;I didn't archive the source on that one because it has stupid javascript or something that obscued the article, making it pointless.
1545433;1474326771;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu
1545434;1474326868;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ALready covered in "Roundup Xtend 6"
1545435;1474326900;shinohai;oh i missed that one, my bad
1545436;1474326966;BingoBoingo;it happens
1545437;1474327064;shinohai;I see the ceasefire has collapsed in Syria, meaning Assad saw shadow and there will be 10 more years of civil war.
1545438;1474327088;BingoBoingo;!~b 3
1545439;1474327089;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "b" is not a valid command.
1545440;1474327650;BingoBoingo;Moar classic Trilema for today http://trilema.com/2014/the-bezzle-usd-and-the-tide-usd/
1545441;1474332337;shinohai;http://archive.is/vx6VZ  "Where do you live? Could be your immigration searched the package."   "US - I would feel better if that was the case!"
1545442;1474332366;asciilifeform;shinohai: lel, wasn't this last year's thread ..?
1545443;1474332389;shinohai;Yeah I recall a thread on this.
1545444;1474335099;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in iran, http://66.media.tumblr.com/43adadce09ded605540069355c90dbf7/tumblr_ngyxljZlpO1s150rho1_500.gif
1545445;1474335247;*;shinohai would certainly like to improve US-Iranian relations with photo subject
1545446;1474337832;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 << Loper OS - A Complete Pill for the Sage SmartProbe.
1545447;1474338072;asciilifeform;^ 3133333333333333337 w4r3z available nowhere else in solar system!1111111
1545448;1474343551;BingoBoingo;Newsing up this exciting Republican victory!
1545449;1474344314;mod6;asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/sage/test_points.jpg << 404
1545450;1474344325;asciilifeform;nope?
1545451;1474344335;asciilifeform;or hm
1545452;1474344376;mod6;Yeah, was just clicking on it to see the upclose JTAG points, but ya, didn't find the image.
1545453;1474344410;asciilifeform;fixed
1545454;1474344412;asciilifeform;ty mod6 .
1545455;1474344457;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dunno if this is newsworthy, it is only interesting to VERY small circle of people.
1545456;1474344484;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It is incredibly newsworthy
1545457;1474344629;mod6;alf: np
1545458;1474344930;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The is probably the biggest Republican news since Phuctor's recent victories.
1545459;1474344939;asciilifeform;eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
1545460;1474344952;asciilifeform;i have massive pile of this crapola.
1545461;1474344965;asciilifeform;dug out because recent (phf thread) resurgence of 'maybe lisp on x86 in bios' thought.
1545462;1474345003;asciilifeform;thing plugs happily into 'pcengines' board from that thread, i will note.
1545463;1474345008;BingoBoingo;This hoarding is insanity.
1545464;1474345015;BingoBoingo;!~step9
1545465;1474345015;jhvh1;9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
1545466;1474345037;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: takes a while to clean these things for publication, and to come to some place where it is of any use.
1545467;1474345302;asciilifeform;and yes, you can debug bios, etc.
1545468;1474345321;*;BingoBoingo wonders what else is in the collection.
1545469;1474345475;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: buncha crud that prolly wouldn't even make elementary sense unless put in context.
1545470;1474345542;BingoBoingo; this latest publication suggests otherwise
1545471;1474346205;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/datskovskiy-cures-abandoned-sage-smartprobe/ << Qntra - Datskovskiy Cures Abandoned Sage SmartProbe
1545472;1474349686;ben_vulpes;https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
1545473;1474349713;ben_vulpes;starting with https://blockexplorer.com/api/txs?block=000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f&pageNum=0
1545474;1474351090;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-19#1545249 << probably going to reneg on this. binary-types handles the fixed-length types admirably, but i have been beating my head against the variable-length fields for days now to no avail.
1545475;1474351114;ben_vulpes;ahem phf
1545476;1474356934;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
1545477;1474356934;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [02:17:12] <deedbot> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667 << Loper OS - A Complete Pill for the Sage SmartProbe.
1545478;1474357288;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
1545479;1474357288;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:07:37] <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: dunno if this is newsworthy, it is only interesting to VERY small circle of people.
1545480;1474357328;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#18 << bb judiciously has it.
1545481;1474357328;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:30] <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: The is probably the biggest Republican news since Phuctor's recent victories.
1545482;1474357360;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.
1545483;1474357360;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
1545484;1474357587;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544602 << I'm thrilled.
1545485;1474357600;trinque;...
1545486;1474357717;trinque;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#75
1545487;1474357717;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:14:49] <asciilifeform> it is at least theoretically possible to resist.
1545488;1474357732;trinque;Framedragger: thing needs search and sensible nav.
1545489;1474357733;mircea_popescu;eh! i guess now Framedragger gets to make scriba read btcbase for a little bit...
1545490;1474357739;mircea_popescu;funny how this works lol.
1545491;1474357771;trinque;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << I'm in, buying.
1545492;1474357771;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [18:22:30] <asciilifeform> phf (and any other interested folk) if you have a bit of spare change, buy yourself a 'pcengines api2', either 2 or 4gb model, it's this comp that comes with schematics. then we can play.
1545493;1474357797;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#30 << remarkable how horribly bad he is editorially huh.
1545494;1474357797;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:25:42] <BingoBoingo>  this latest publication suggests otherwise
1545495;1474357918;trinque;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160917/#1262 << there is *no* end to the networked fun we can have with a machine meeting these humble requirements
1545496;1474357935;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#33 << not really. block 0 (sometimes referred to as 1), ie the genesis block was handcrafted.
1545497;1474357935;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [05:34:46] <ben_vulpes> https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
1545498;1474357943;trinque;why didn't it fart mine?
1545499;1474357946;mircea_popescu;o.O
1545500;1474358025;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes (if you think about it, the first block breaks with the software-as-protocol because eg it doesn't reference a prior block. rather than bake a test into code forever, more reasonable to just make it by hand.)
1545501;1474358069;trinque;shame on the next person who implements any of this without consulting me first, given I handed you lot a full implementation of the logging part, and that I can't remember the last time I had to *touch* deedbot.
1545502;1474358079;mircea_popescu;and the reason coinbase doesn't deserialize for you is that it contains that string arbitrarily.
1545503;1474358093;mircea_popescu;"The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks"
1545504;1474358110;mircea_popescu;trinque the logging part seems to work though
1545505;1474358133;trinque;a111's gone
1545506;1474358150;trinque;scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to
1545507;1474358174;mircea_popescu;ah.
1545508;1474358183;mircea_popescu;lol. all this indiscipline...
1545509;1474358201;mircea_popescu;ima start cracking skulls at this rate.
1545510;1474358209;trinque;and appparently demonstrating some is insufficient.
1545511;1474358210;trinque;aha.
1545512;1474359359;mircea_popescu;!!up framedr_stillghe
1545513;1474359359;deedbot;framedr_stillghe voiced for 30 minutes.
1545514;1474359366;mircea_popescu;lol. hello there
1545515;1474359455;framedr_stillghe;mornin'. so my gpg key is in another place, should have access this evening, or somesuch. (it's backed up and everything, but simply very inconvenient to retrieve it right now.)
1545516;1474359501;framedr_stillghe;regarding bot: so, the problem is that on some days, some specific characters are recorded by znc which trip up the bot, which expects utf-8. those chars are not utf-8. not blaming this on irc, this should be handled of course
1545517;1474359546;framedr_stillghe;apparently though it's not enough for bot to silently skim through shitty lines (until it reaches the quotable target) - the whole irc log for that day is not readable.
1545518;1474359583;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1545519;1474359584;framedr_stillghe;what needs to happen is, i need to rewrite the whole friggin' thing, and either ditch znc (while using it as backup log history channel, perhaps), or to understand why znc records some shitty chars.
1545520;1474359617;framedr_stillghe;if i can do the latter then the problem is sorted. except for, you know, still having a viewer without search.
1545521;1474359637;mircea_popescu;:p
1545522;1474359771;framedr_stillghe;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#67 << yeah, i said as much before! it's sopel, and i maintain that sopel itself is a decent piece of work. (which i can daemonize, maintain etc more easily,
1545523;1474359771;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:55:50] <trinque> scriba I'm willing to bet is some other guy's python this kid bolted a thing to
1545524;1474359789;framedr_stillghe;i.e. without being tripped up by nuances of sbcl, which i am sure exist.)
1545525;1474360503;Framedragger;backups ftw
1545526;1474360549;Framedragger;hmm.
1545527;1474360551;Framedragger;!~laserkittens
1545528;1474360551;jhvh1;,ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
1545529;1474360564;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#91
1545530;1474360564;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [08:35:51] <jhvh1> ,ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
1545531;1474360657;mircea_popescu;win.
1545532;1474360790;Framedragger;i am not sure if i should spend time chasing encoding rabbit holes, or start on rewriting things. the logging part is otherwise reliable, after all. but i guess znc can be kept as a source of redundancy, and another logger *which knows wtf utf-8 is* does the primary logging.
1545533;1474360823;Framedragger;(znc is configured to use utf-8 and to expect utf-8, before you ask.)
1545534;1474360893;mircea_popescu;hey, your call.
1545535;1474360929;Framedragger;yeah, kk
1545536;1474361026;Framedragger;meanwhile have to do sector research on ICT. some people think it's a thing.
1545537;1474362798;scriba;RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: scheduled test / maintenance
1545538;1474363110;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1545539;1474363168;Framedragger;making things more robust, one shitty kiddo-python-line at a time
1545540;1474363179;mircea_popescu;btw you're not logging in correctly.
1545541;1474363265;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: you mean join chan before cloak applied? yeah i know :/ will fix later. want to robustify things as a matter of priority
1545542;1474363283;mircea_popescu;kk
1545543;1474363299;mircea_popescu;well if anyone starts ddosing you, it'll be a matter of robustify :)
1545544;1474363335;Framedragger;free robustness tests
1545545;1474363385;mircea_popescu;aite
1545546;1474363422;mircea_popescu;might as well s/RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: /Restarting for /
1545547;1474363479;Framedragger;sounds less robotic but agree, k
1545548;1474372484;scriba;RESTARTING SELF. Reason given: update to cite btcbase's lines, too
1545549;1474372519;Framedragger;something http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-18#1544615 something
1545550;1474372520;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-18: [21:26:27] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#39  << sure. but obviously having both ends helps debug subtle corners and improves your control over the whole matter.☝︎
1545551;1474372528;Framedragger;includes html escaping etc.
1545552;1474372586;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1545553;1474372616;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: random line cited which includes some html tags.
1545554;1474372635;mircea_popescu;ah k
1545555;1474372742;Framedragger;now if only bots could signal each other when they should stop citing each other's corresponding log lines :p but actually, since scriba will be slower to cite btcbase, it could check if a111 already cited the line, and if so, cancel retrieval. prolly will do this later.
1545556;1474372944;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-05-02#11302
1545557;1474372948;scriba;Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry
1545558;1474373131;mircea_popescu;heh. each-reads-his-own was intended as a mechanism to encourage people to select the better package.
1545559;1474373145;mircea_popescu;however, the problem with this theory is that in practice changing the logger is pretty traumatic.
1545560;1474373407;Framedragger;also, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1542067
1545561;1474373412;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> asciilifeform: we started with a single canonical log though, where kako's testimony was implicitly the word of tmsr. there was some anathem/"A Canticle for Leibowitz" jokes about it, the log files were deeded, etc. while working on btcbase i realized that there can be no canonical log without arbitration, i.e. because of netsplits, lost messages, out of order, clock skews you need a single author
1545562;1474373413;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1542068
1545563;1474373416;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-14: [21:23:49] <phf> log. so at some point we were in "log according to btcbase" situation. with the recent move to multiple bots and more importantly multiple logs, we now have "log according to ..." model, which we can still though attempt to reconcile. once we move to gossip there can't even be a talk of single log. it's always "log according to whoever heard and relayed it" by design.
1545564;1474373810;Framedragger;one side-effect from the above: it may therefore be that as one approaches the gossipd model / state of affairs, cooperation  >  minmax-style competition
1545565;1474373966;mircea_popescu;myeah
1545566;1474375372;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/ << Trilema - Full Loper-os blogroll review
1545567;1474376328;scriba;Restarting for a small update to make myself more verbose in case of trouble / exceptions / etc.
1545568;1474377598;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)
1545569;1474379280;PeterL;BingoBoingo on http://qntra.net/2016/09/nigerian-students-scammed-by-alabama-state-university/ s/pay they expenses incur/pay their expenses incurred
1545570;1474381563;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears
1545571;1474381563;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
1545572;1474381602;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#39 << on reflection, gotta agree
1545573;1474381602;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:41:28] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#15 << not so ; the attitude as well as the possibility of success are of interest to the largest number of people speaking this language. especially if they currently don't know this. they may "proclaim irrelevant" whatever, but their green friend is interested in them.
1545574;1474381615;Framedragger;asciilifeform: iirc you can change wp permalinks and pages/posts referred to by ?id will still work. maybe not for very ancient wp install, would need to check
1545575;1474381617;asciilifeform;some time later i'ma clean up and publish the command set that drives the thing, also
1545576;1474381634;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i'ma try it.
1545577;1474381683;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#52 << be aware that if you find a sage box, you will need to solder the connector (it is a simple job, but the header is a ~metric~ one, see the pcengines schematics)
1545578;1474381683;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:49:30] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160918/#77 << I'm in, buying.
1545579;1474381801;asciilifeform;incidentally, trinque, phf, et al : http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16358 << this here's the OTHER 'schematics published, amd g-series, sage plug' board. and this one has vga. and apparently is going out of print, being sold for half price in a few places.
1545580;1474381861;asciilifeform;^ only 1 nic, rather than 3, though, in that one.
1545581;1474381868;asciilifeform;but same type as in pcengine.
1545582;1474381896;asciilifeform;and has the sage connector soldered down at factory.
1545583;1474382125;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#comment-119171 << queued.
1545584;1474382210;asciilifeform;in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
1545585;1474382316;Framedragger;is it like OFTC where you need an account prior to doing SASL auth? prolly.
1545586;1474382353;trinque;It's cur­rent­ly not pos­si­ble to reg­is­ter an ac­count for use with Tor with­out con­nect­ing at least once over the In­ter­net. << tfa
1545587;1474382368;trinque;hm check it out; is that unicode?
1545588;1474382427;Framedragger;oh wtf
1545589;1474382441;Framedragger;oh prolly 'cause i was changin' permissions
1545590;1474382466;trinque;what?
1545591;1474382510;Framedragger;can't write to logs dir anymore, i was trying to restrict things more
1545592;1474382514;trinque;hm I'll screenshit my client
1545593;1474382527;Framedragger;oh i wasnt referring to unicode. sorry. scriba just timed out
1545594;1474382548;BingoBoingo;PeterL: ty fxd
1545595;1474382641;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears << Depending on your wordpress species usually if you set up a person readable url scheme the default numeric one continues working
1545596;1474382711;Framedragger;i'm restarting the whole box.
1545597;1474382817;trinque;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#158 << >> http://deedbot.org/weirdo-unicode.png
1545598;1474382859;trinque;apparently that article has "soft hyphen" throughout
1545599;1474382872;trinque;does some brain-damaged blogotron do that?
1545600;1474382974;trinque;hm... not as &shy; though; as actual unicode
1545601;1474382983;trinque;you can see it when you use the inspector in chrome
1545602;1474383014;trinque;omaigerd, unicode stenography!!1!11
1545603;1474383257;asciilifeform;trinque: ...steganography?
1545604;1474383264;Framedragger;sorry, i over-restricted permissions and removed execute bit from some parts.
1545605;1474383276;trinque;asciilifeform: stego
1545606;1474383279;*;trinque gets coffee, lol
1545607;1474383291;trinque;*steganography
1545608;1474383348;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#169 << HUH
1545609;1474383348;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:46:57] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#158 << >> http://deedbot.org/weirdo-unicode.png
1545610;1474383376;Framedragger;subtle security canary!!!1
1545611;1474383568;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/11836 << coreboot (formerly linuxbios) now has optional gnat !!11
1545612;1474383601;asciilifeform;^ this is a handy minimal gnat runtime for x86. saves buncha work for us, if we were to gnatulate.
1545613;1474384649;pete_dushenski;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#142 << have you checking in dashboard under settings >> permalinks ?
1545614;1474384650;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <asciilifeform> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#37 << if this is fixable without breaking old urls, or reaching into the guts of a ~decade-old wp install, i'm all ears
1545615;1474384686;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: comment pending on your latest ch
1545616;1474384780;asciilifeform;ok i tried it, AND IT BROKE OLD LINKS, FUCK IT
1545617;1474384783;asciilifeform;switching back.
1545618;1474384859;pete_dushenski;hm. lame.
1545619;1474384900;pete_dushenski;s/checking/checked
1545620;1474385115;Framedragger;test http://btcbase.org/log/2013-05-02#11302
1545621;1474385115;a111;Logged on 2013-05-02 07:10 truff1es: buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry
1545622;1474385118;scriba;Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry☟☟
1545623;1474385125;Framedragger;(switching off scriba for btcbase)
1545624;1474385132;Framedragger;(will later automate this)
1545625;1474385150;phf;(note that the two arrows are not part of message)
1545626;1474385168;Framedragger;yeah i know. i was too lazy
1545627;1474385346;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545482 << if i weren't stuck in shitholelandia, i'd post ~everything~.
1545628;1474385346;a111;Logged on 2016-09-20 07:42 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19 << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.
1545629;1474385346;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [04:15:39] <asciilifeform> eh BingoBoingo i sat on this for year+.
1545630;1474385349;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:42:40] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#19  << so reconfigure your head ; stop doing that, it's miserable for the republic and bad enough for you.☝︎☟
1545631;1474385587;pete_dushenski;in other reconfiguring news, fbook vs. cuba : "In Havana, my cousins were forced to listen to rambling speeches about maintaining core values inside a one-dimensional cult of personality. In Menlo Park, I was sitting in a tent full of people wearing identical uniforms of Facebook swag and doing the same. Back in Havana, my cousins were eyeing posters of Che and Fidel on crumbling buildings and the sides of
1545632;1474385589;pete_dushenski;lurching, belching buses. Alongside were rousing posters, designed in that wonderfully retro socialist realism only the Cubans still embraced: ¡TODO POR LA REVOLUCIÓN! ¡HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE! ¡PATRIA O MUERTE, VENCEREMOS! Meanwhile, I was walking around Facebook, surrounded by stenciled portraits of Mark and equally exhortatory posters: PROCEED AND BE BOLD! GET IN OVER YOUR HEAD! MAKE AN IMPACT!"
1545633;1474385591;pete_dushenski;~Antonio Garcia Martinez, author of Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley
1545634;1474385641;asciilifeform;YES WE CAN HAY MAS FUTURO!1111111
1545635;1474385725;pete_dushenski;YES WE KAN!
1545636;1474385774;pete_dushenski;in other lulz
1545637;1474385776;pete_dushenski;"@TuurDemeester: Why C++ is used on Wall Street is the same reason why it's used for Bitcoin: precision and performance." << expert trolling or iyi 'expert' ? you decide.
1545638;1474385785;asciilifeform;turdmeister!
1545639;1474385790;asciilifeform;he's back!!
1545640;1474385806;pete_dushenski;!#s Demeester
1545641;1474385806;a111;3 results for "Demeester", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Demeester
1545642;1474385822;shinohai;I saw that tweet and immediately hear asciilifeform start ranting against C++ in my head.
1545643;1474385841;pete_dushenski;turdsicles still 'investing consultant' or somesuch
1545644;1474385844;asciilifeform;shinohai: that was naggum
1545645;1474385853;shinohai;ah rite
1545646;1474386136;BingoBoingo;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/meat.htm
1545647;1474386143;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#comment-119173 << i had no problem finding this gpg key
1545648;1474386161;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466793 << do you have any automatic log sync set up now phf? just curious. (i'll prolly set up a different silent bot to be used as secondary log history source)
1545649;1474386161;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 15:01 phf: manual tit tickling
1545650;1474386164;shinohai;pete_dushenski: bundle will still be coming to you soon, just waiting until it is fleshed out a bit
1545651;1474386171;pete_dushenski;new trilema header eh. rapey.
1545652;1474386189;pete_dushenski;shinohai: cheers
1545653;1474386293;BingoBoingo;So true "Imagine a rutabaga or an apple, a living harbinger of an adult plant like Christ in His manger presaging the deliverance of all mankind boiled, baked, fried, sauteed, steamed, sun-dried (poor raisins!), microwaved, or roasted to death. Imagine crunching into a fresh green pepper and listening to it scream as your molars do their dirty work. "
1545654;1474386584;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545626 << this is not a point of fucking pride
1545655;1474386584;a111;Logged on 2016-09-20 15:26 Framedragger: yeah i know. i was too lazy
1545656;1474386629;Framedragger;what?
1545657;1474386685;trinque;this programmer thing "oh I am lazy lolz". to hell with it.
1545658;1474386738;Framedragger;sure, but by that metric most of software should be discarded a priori. i agree it's not a good thing; this will get fixed when other, important stuff gets fixed.
1545659;1474386759;trinque;much better way of putting it.
1545660;1474386821;Framedragger;and yet sometimes we speak colloquially because we prefer to!
1545661;1474386922;shinohai;I used "lazy" in my bickening response, which pretty much meant I was focused more on other boiling pots at the time.
1545662;1474386971;trinque;what it means is this limp dicked "I did a thing but don't judge me pls" that produced the mountain of filth in which we live
1545663;1474386975;pete_dushenski;sounds like saying 'i'm lazy' in #trilema is like saying 'i'm a terrorist' on a plane
1545664;1474386984;trinque;I have no patience for it.
1545665;1474387009;trinque;and arguing from the context of a dead culture buys nothing. "oh this is what people say"
1545666;1474387028;shinohai;Well it *is* much easier to produce quality items now that defacto standards are being written.
1545667;1474387092;trinque;Framedragger: separate what's being said here from any commentary on the bot, which is coming along fine.
1545668;1474387094;Framedragger;right. see trinque, you don't see "lazy" in that context as having any descriptive context (what shinohai's pots); i do. a simple disagreement regarding the use. but i of course have to agree with your general sentiment...
1545669;1474387103;Framedragger;sure
1545670;1474387163;asciilifeform;in other holy shits, https://libreboot.org/gnu
1545671;1474387178;asciilifeform;'Libreboot left the GNU project on 15 September 2016. The FSF revealed itself to be hostile towards trans people, so libreboot voluntarily decided to leave the GNU project, because the lead developer of libreboot is transgender herself. For those in the community who are unaware, a transgender person is someone whose internal gender identity (in their brain) does not match their anatomical sex or gender assigned at birth. Many who ar
1545672;1474387178;asciilifeform;e like this seek to transition to their preferred gender. Read more about it on Wikipedia. We will not directly name the person who was fired, because we don't want the individual to be harrased. If you do somehow figure it out (the FSF's staff is very small) then please be silent. We realize that this is potentially risky to the individual involved. Nonetheless, we feel it our moral duty to expose wrongdoing, wherever it is observed
1545673;1474387179;asciilifeform;, even if it's at one of the world's most respected organisations such as the FSF.'
1545674;1474387191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^ for the killing jar.
1545675;1474387236;asciilifeform;(fsf, long covered in astonishing assortment of fungi, was apparently... not fungal enough, for some.)
1545676;1474387302;shinohai;oh ffs
1545677;1474387398;asciilifeform;http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html << remaining working hands run for the hills.
1545678;1474387425;asciilifeform;lulzily, i only even found this because i went to dig up contact info for 'libreboot', was going to write to it, re sage pill publication.
1545679;1474387460;asciilifeform;these are, if anyone forgot, the 'rms's magical laptop' folks.
1545680;1474387480;asciilifeform;!#s x60
1545681;1474387481;a111;32 results for "x60", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=x60
1545682;1474387490;trinque;asciilifeform: have a preferred distributor for the sage?
1545683;1474387516;asciilifeform;trinque: i'm not certain it can be had any more. the last place selling was element14 with the 'gizmo 1' kit
1545684;1474387524;asciilifeform;(gizmo 2 is better board but no longer includes the box)
1545685;1474387535;trinque;ah, too bad
1545686;1474387554;asciilifeform;http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524 << claims it is still available
1545687;1474387644;trinque;this is one board with debugger components and CPU?
1545688;1474387722;asciilifeform;trinque: debugger attaches to 'amd hdt' connector, present on the board. there are landing pads for it on surprisingly many amd mobos
1545689;1474387732;asciilifeform;but you need to be handy with soldering iron, with those
1545690;1474387781;trinque;sure, I can solder
1545691;1474387794;trinque;but the debugger comes in that kit? or I have to find that separately?
1545692;1474387807;trinque;looks like separately
1545693;1474387824;asciilifeform;trinque: it came with the 'gizmo 1' strictly.
1545694;1474387888;asciilifeform;http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/news/2013-01/amd_gizmo_board.jpg << subj is in right hand, rear
1545695;1474387895;*;shinohai has soldering iron, also trying to source
1545696;1474387939;trinque;http://www.gizmosphere.org/products/gizmo-explorer-kit/ << this mentions having the sage smartprobe in kit
1545697;1474387956;asciilifeform;it did.
1545698;1474387963;asciilifeform;call'em up, see if they still have any.
1545699;1474387970;asciilifeform;if you want this.
1545700;1474388023;asciilifeform;if i knew where else to get it, i would say, but i do not.
1545701;1474388030;asciilifeform;once in a while it pops up on ebay, etc.
1545702;1474388086;asciilifeform;this probe is one of those items for which no practical substitute, afaik, exists.
1545703;1474388115;asciilifeform;intel and arium sell similar devices that work with (strictly) intel mobos, but they cost five-figure usd, with MANDATORY support contract, and their software is winblows shitware.
1545704;1474388161;asciilifeform;amd made its own debugger for its boards, i even have one here, but it has never been satisfactorily reverse-engineered, isn't gdb compatible. i have a brand-new one here, in its crate, waiting for its day.
1545705;1474388399;*;trinque bought
1545706;1474388497;phf;Framedragger: i'm basically using kako's log format as a universal exchange <id>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>, so there's a python bottle proxy sitting on a machine, that, very defensively, can serve a copy of your page in a kako format. it caches all pages that are not today, and it has like 10 second cache for today's queries, but otherwise i'm not mirroring your pages
1545707;1474388533;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8oabs/?raw=true << in other noose, idiot has been working, at least partly BY HAND, for more than a DAY, banging on the door of dulap
1545708;1474388567;phf;i'm only querying for what was mentioned in logs ("annotations"), since i didn't want the split to break the xref facility
1545709;1474388637;asciilifeform;pretty strange payloads, too
1545710;1474388660;asciilifeform;e.g., http://ma0okb3t7xm4z9ttu5zt9xfu8leca0do8byzn.burpcollaborator.net contains '<html><body>u2fbaww7z5xmct4xg2wyplzjjogvgnfigz</body></html>'
1545711;1474388680;asciilifeform;http://5sy72ulcpg4nhsbccohcrgxdq4wvsjw7ruhi6.burpcollaborator.net -- contains same.
1545712;1474388683;asciilifeform;and so forth.
1545713;1474388700;phf;very defensively, because it needs to do checks like
1545714;1474388701;phf;        if (dt == date(2016, 9, 6) and int(localid) >= 166) \
1545715;1474388701;phf;                or dt > date(2016, 9, 6):
1545716;1474388702;phf;            tz = utc
1545717;1474388705;phf;        else:
1545718;1474388709;phf;            tz = timezone('EET')
1545719;1474388709;phf; 
1545720;1474388712;Framedragger;phf: nice. (nice caching setup, too). thanks for explaining - i'll want to set up some 'backup redundant history source' soon, i think..
1545721;1474388722;Framedragger;*ahem*
1545722;1474388729;phf;ahem, indeed!
1545723;1474388731;Framedragger;thought that's what you meant by defensively
1545724;1474388813;phf;well, for my own znc it has to do like a bunch of retarded timezone conversions, but at least i sat down and thought them through this time
1545725;1474388854;Framedragger;:)
1545726;1474388856;phf;(my server is america/denver, my log dates are in america/new_york, and kako's format is served in utc)
1545727;1474388907;phf;but since i don't have to expose it to wild net, and rate of checks is low, i can just have a bottle file per task, just doing its own specific massaging
1545728;1474388969;Framedragger;yeah. my contrab now has  TZ=UTC LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 /usr/bin/znc >/dev/null 2>&1  just to be sure. unfortunately, that only happened later.
1545729;1474388979;Framedragger;sounds good
1545730;1474389004;Framedragger;(things will be moved to proper db with proper unixtime)
1545731;1474389015;Framedragger;crontab*
1545732;1474389222;phf;db is only worthwhile once you start writing analytics on logs. i've been doing the read directly from znc logs using regex approach for almost a year (actually scratch that i was querying kako's logs over web), and only decided to step it up once i realized i want xref
1545733;1474389300;phf;i guess search too, but that's kind of lateral. you can write a bit of python code using xapian to do parsing and indexing for you, and i suspect it's going to be ballpark database speeds. postgresql's builtin search is .. special
1545734;1474389338;Framedragger;how about full text search? though i know that a combo of caching and grep-in-memory-map mode (on an ssd, say) may be viable
1545735;1474389351;Framedragger;ah
1545736;1474389353;phf;xapian will give you full text search
1545737;1474389441;Framedragger;postgres builtin search needs to be massaged iirc, and e.g. if you set up indices you may need to do https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server - actually, best to change things anyway, as by default postgres assumes you have very little memory, etc.
1545738;1474389459;phf;kind of tricky to cache search, since it's very one off. most load on server comes from searching (i mean it's miniscule still, but...), but i looked at analytics and search queries are all over the place. you have n hits from mentions, which ~might~ be worthwhile to cache. (like ascii does !#s foo, and then there's a dozen of hits from random ips and browsers)
1545739;1474389461;Framedragger;(i.e. i agree, but there are ways to leverage things. but, takes time to do right)
1545740;1474389505;Framedragger;yeah. a bit tricky
1545741;1474389507;PeterL;I wrote a script to submit links from logs to archive.is
1545742;1474389578;PeterL;I am running it now into the past
1545743;1474389584;Framedragger;ah, nice!
1545744;1474389625;phf;well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
1545745;1474389637;Framedragger;(unrelated, an exploit in metasploit: https://github.com/justinsteven/advisories/blob/master/2016_metasploit_rce_static_key_deserialization.md )
1545746;1474389652;asciilifeform;!!up yr
1545747;1474389652;deedbot;yr voiced for 30 minutes.
1545748;1474389743;phf;(i had to tweak a postgresql search lexing phase just few days ago, and fwiw it doesn't givey you "grep" out of the box. you have to do Traditional Text Search approach tokenize,lex,index by weights, etc.)
1545749;1474389770;asciilifeform;barfalicious
1545750;1474389807;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#320 << nice, and, yeah, indeed, freedom of choice and all that
1545751;1474389808;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:40:25] <phf> well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
1545752;1474389847;Framedragger;bbl, changing loc
1545753;1474389913;Framedragger;(how else will one try things they always wanted to try)
1545754;1474390032;phf;i still think that's the ideal model of computing, mentat approach
1545755;1474390165;asciilifeform;in vintage lulz, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-22#1437683 >>>>> becomes >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/iphone-5c-nand-mirroring-passcode-attack
1545756;1474390165;a111;Logged on 2016-03-22 00:44 asciilifeform: trinque: no incoherence, i can remove the motherfucking nand ~here~ in this godforsaken hovel
1545757;1474390171;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448168 << also
1545758;1474390171;a111;Logged on 2016-04-07 18:10 phf: the person that i was a [big bank] vendor with is actually doing that right now. a trained apl-er and mathematician, having spent few years interacting with [big bank] decision makers now consults on a handshake basis for companies that need a problem solved, but don't care if it comes with a pretty windows gui
1545759;1474390214;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448169
1545760;1474390214;a111;Logged on 2016-04-07 18:13 phf: of course, general purpose computer was always a device that high cast professional would sit in front in order to do computations, augmented by external systems or additional special purpose interchangeable boards. at least that was a pretty shared vision from engelbard to symbolics before the microcomputer
1545761;1474390232;asciilifeform;phf: aha, before the zombies took over.
1545762;1474390365;asciilifeform;in yet other noose, new DEATHRAY PLOT!11111 : http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/09/not-so-dynamite-man-proves-awful-at-buying-dark-web-explosives ( https://archive.is/V3dtf )
1545763;1474390384;asciilifeform;foiled by brave gestapo stoo^H^H^H^Hagents!
1545764;1474390416;asciilifeform;'Although boatmanstv at one point switched to PGP-encrypted e-mail (which he referred to as “ppg”) using “darknetstv@outlook.com” with the OCE, because his recipient was in fact an FBI agent, that didn’t matter. ...'
1545765;1474390499;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ possibly of interest
1545766;1474391261;trinque;https://www.ancilla.edu/ << in latin lulz
1545767;1474394661;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1oM4   <<< aforementioned submission for review
1545768;1474394662;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1545769;1474395986;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: repliezed
1545770;1474396035;ben_vulpes;in other jslolz i learned today that hyphens are not legal in js var names because not symbolicated on spaces and infix operators
1545771;1474396037;ben_vulpes;woo hoo hoo
1545772;1474396054;ben_vulpes;"but it's that way in c too!"
1545773;1474396058;ben_vulpes;yeah and its retarded there as well.
1545774;1474396103;thestringpuller;how did you come to learn this?
1545775;1474396112;ben_vulpes;linter yelled at me and i did a bit of reading
1545776;1474396147;ben_vulpes;also i have an wwwtronix expert sitting next to me
1545777;1474399648;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#137 << yes. you can also set what it allows / eats.
1545778;1474399649;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [13:19:58] <Framedragger> mircea_popescu: does your wp comments box support basic html tags (such as href)? (i know it supports them when posting comments from *within* wp's dashboard)
1545779;1474399772;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#143 << i have no idea ; mp-wp would handle it automatically (in the sense that i can at any time / for any reason change url, old one gets redir to new one ; and also can switch from ?p= to proper title url seamlessly). no idea however about alf-wp
1545780;1474399773;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:26:03] <scriba> Logged on 2016-09-20: [07:35:31] <mircea_popescu> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#6 << nice! but asciilifeform consider fixing your urls, this ?p=blabla is for the dogs. and lafond i guess, but really, most yahoo thing one can do blogging.
1545781;1474400167;asciilifeform;'alf-wp' does not, and will not, because it does not have write permissions for the file system.
1545782;1474400168;asciilifeform;period.
1545783;1474400173;asciilifeform;so it cannot alter .htaccess.
1545784;1474400191;asciilifeform;(yes this also means that i do picture uploads, etc. by hand.)
1545785;1474400216;asciilifeform;and here mircea_popescu thought that he wore the hairiest shirt...
1545786;1474400259;Framedragger;asciilifeform: but you can edit .htaccess (or nginx directives for the site) yourself, at least that's what i did in the past iirc.
1545787;1474400266;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it wouldn't need to alter it however. afaik mp-wp doesn't either ; handles redirects itself like a grown-up system ??
1545788;1474400287;mircea_popescu;puts a -d in there, once, when you set it up ; builds its own flalback.
1545789;1474400291;trinque;^ I run on nginx, am not using any kind of writable htaccess
1545790;1474400300;trinque;and I've swapped around those URL settings since install
1545791;1474400309;asciilifeform;looks like my ancient wp cannot do this.
1545792;1474400320;Framedragger;well, the webserver needs not to get confused if it is asked to serve /some/hipster/post where neither that file nore /some/hipster/index.* exists; it needs to pass uri as parameter to index.php
1545793;1474400421;mircea_popescu;i can't recall now if it was from the mp or the wp part of the family, but i think mostly the latter really.
1545794;1474400622;mircea_popescu;incidentally, if anyone wants to check how wordpress does latex formatting and roll a mp-wp plugin / v update for it that'd be grand. in typical faux open source style, they're remarkably unhelpful with it (see https://en.support.wordpress.com/latex/ )
1545795;1474400667;asciilifeform;latex comments are a dodgy thing imho. it's turing complete...
1545796;1474400682;asciilifeform;and a gigantic coprolith of multi-meg ??????.
1545797;1474400690;mircea_popescu;yeah there is that. and that.
1545798;1474400736;Framedragger;i recall using mathjax for math equations
1545799;1474400745;mircea_popescu;eugh!
1545800;1474400746;Framedragger;lots of javascript but renders well. but lots of javascript
1545801;1474400754;Framedragger;i mean, mathjax in wp
1545802;1474400763;Framedragger;which renders latex
1545803;1474400798;mircea_popescu;Framedragger look at the example given ; it's an image.
1545804;1474400807;Framedragger;https://en-gb.wordpress.org/plugins/mathjax-latex/ ; https://docs.mathjax.org/en/v1.1-latest/platforms/wordpress.html
1545805;1474400813;Framedragger;you cant copy paste an image
1545806;1474400818;Framedragger;sucks balls
1545807;1474400833;Framedragger;maybe just my preference
1545808;1474400834;asciilifeform;'The MathJax javascript can be delivered from your own server, or you can utilise the [MathJax Content Distribution Network (CDN)] (http://www.mathjax.org/docs/latest/start.html#mathjax-cdn), which is the preferred mechanism as it offers increased speed and stability over hosting the Javascript and configuring the library yourself. Use of the CDN is governed by these Terms of Service.'
1545809;1474400839;asciilifeform;barfalicious.
1545810;1474400847;Framedragger;yeah i just used the former asciilifeform
1545811;1474400848;mircea_popescu;$latex i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}\left|\Psi(t)\right&gt;=H\left|\Psi(t)\right&gt;$ -> https://s0.wp.com/latex.php?latex=i%5Chbar%5Cfrac%7B%5Cpartial%7D%7B%5Cpartial+t%7D%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E%3DH%5Cleft%7C%5CPsi%28t%29%5Cright%3E&#038;bg=ffffff&#038;fg=000&#038;s=0
1545812;1474400876;asciilifeform;Framedragger: with the former, you're feeding crapola from strangers into a turing-complete latextron.
1545813;1474400884;asciilifeform;with the latter, you're serving up crapola from strangers.
1545814;1474400891;Framedragger;i know you dont care about mobile users because they suck mircea_popescu , but what's nice with rendered fonts is that they scale nicely; among other things
1545815;1474400916;mircea_popescu;how cool it is that we ate all the bugs and errors from "supporting utf", because look - there's no fucking glyph-based way to latex, in 2016.
1545816;1474400919;Framedragger;hence the clause "but lots of javascript"
1545817;1474400943;mircea_popescu;but hey, at least the-shithead-bureaucrat-who-inherited-apple gets to have his day in the sun about whether the glyph for "gun" should be "water pistol"
1545818;1474400955;Framedragger;asciilifeform: not arguing here though; i just recall mathjax working nicely in wp, served from server; but, yes, lots of js
1545819;1474400968;mircea_popescu;it was so totally fucking worth it.
1545820;1474403037;asciilifeform;covertress (~covertres@185.108.128.5) has left #trilema << 'ooops we forgot'
1545821;1474403654;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: vollied back.
1545822;1474403935;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: lol @ nukes
1545823;1474403992;pete_dushenski;heh
1545824;1474404053;shinohai;http://archive.is/YGwaN   <<< heh u2 plane crashed shortly after liftoff
1545825;1474404145;shinohai;We only had "learn to spy" lessons, not "learn to fly"
1545826;1474404278;asciilifeform;'learn not to catch fire'
1545827;1474404345;shinohai;Perhaps pilot had Gaaxy note 7 in pockets of flightsuit
1545828;1474404498;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-15#1522134 << not that i have a horse in the race, but this would seem to redeem our mysterious reaganite author : http://www.mcmansionhell.com/post/150597521816/mcmansions-101-revisited-aesthetics-aside-why
1545829;1474404498;a111;Logged on 2016-08-15 20:48 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i find the focus on the cosmetic when the functional elements are 'dangerous to self and to others' in 1,001 ways, to be also a typically american lunacy.
1545830;1474404586;asciilifeform;is this a problem that pete_dushenski has, or as of yet only wants to have..?
1545831;1474404618;pete_dushenski;neither really
1545832;1474404632;asciilifeform;so what's it to him then
1545833;1474404659;pete_dushenski;just a curiousity, a fascination with architecture as a representation of culture
1545834;1474404703;asciilifeform;lolk
1545835;1474404829;pete_dushenski;more enduring symbols of society exist not. the rarely interacted with written word aside, built structures are how we understand the past.
1545836;1474404884;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this only works for civilizations that build actual permanent structures. whereas these folk are converging back at the 'african mud hut' standard
1545837;1474404885;pete_dushenski;it's also a hell of a way to leave one's fingerprint on the world after he's gone.
1545838;1474404897;asciilifeform;~none of this crapolade will be standing in a century, much less 10.
1545839;1474404901;pete_dushenski;as understood at least since pharoah
1545840;1474404961;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: so what ? mud hut is still ethnographic hallmark.
1545841;1474404971;asciilifeform;roman aqueducts will be standing 1000 yrs from now ( unless islamic bulldozers get'em first .) american cardboard - not so much.
1545842;1474404987;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: well you did say 'enduring'
1545843;1474404995;asciilifeform;here on my planet, words have meaningz!111
1545844;1474405041;pete_dushenski;and what does 'enduring' mean then ? 10 seconds for einsteinium ? 10 millenia for pyramid ?
1545845;1474405061;asciilifeform;can mean various things, of which 'mud hut' is not any.
1545846;1474405085;asciilifeform;as far as houses go.
1545847;1474405114;asciilifeform;cardboard house is built to last ~exactly as long as the chump's mortgage.
1545848;1474405115;pete_dushenski;not sure about that. even for houses 'enduring' should be satisfied by multi-generational.
1545849;1474405124;asciilifeform;these - quite certainly are not.
1545850;1474405131;shinohai;"We've lived in the same trailer for 50 years!"
1545851;1474405137;pete_dushenski;lol even if that requires banging out the next gen at 20
1545852;1474405171;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: even then! ever ~see~ an american house ?
1545853;1474405181;asciilifeform;the suburban cardboard-and-aluminum box kind
1545854;1474405214;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ticky tacky houses in 1960s were also designed to last as long as mortgage, yet many still stand. just need updated plumbing, electrical, bathrooms... bones are fine
1545855;1474405223;asciilifeform;the thing shows obvious, to naked eye, signs of self-disassembly after a decade or so
1545856;1474405231;asciilifeform;in 2 decades - springs leaks
1545857;1474405249;asciilifeform;they stand, where they stand, because folks 'grandfather's axe' them
1545858;1474405258;asciilifeform;i.e. replace, at tremendous expense, the parts.
1545859;1474405292;asciilifeform;'renovations' is a chumpatron second only to the real estate scam, in usa
1545860;1474405303;pete_dushenski;you think this is somehow unique to residential construction because that's what you're familiar with. it isn't. commercial, industrial, etc are all the same. news flash : building require maintenance.
1545861;1474405306;asciilifeform;pay 400% markup for the aluminum plates etc.
1545862;1474405394;asciilifeform;there's 'requires maintenance' and then there's 'the walls come off after 10y.'
1545863;1474405422;asciilifeform;i was recently in a house built in 1620s. still has motherfucking original brick walls.
1545864;1474405432;asciilifeform;all that changed since it was built is a couplea paint jobs.
1545865;1474405440;mircea_popescu;actually, industrial buildings moved to tents in the 60s/70s, with the great move to china.
1545866;1474405454;mircea_popescu;you still see the actual industrial buildings, eg here. brick with windows emplaced etc.
1545867;1474405470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is more or less on par with labour cost in re 'why china'.
1545868;1474405470;mircea_popescu;"impractical" and "too expensive" ; they use metallic structure now. EXACTLY as permanent as circus tent.
1545869;1474405475;pete_dushenski;maybe pyramids were low maintenance, but in this climate ~everything~ wears. the expansion and contraction caused by 75C seasonal variation, combined with the short construction season, means that bricks CANNOT BE STRUCTURAL MATERIALS. vapour barrier and insulation is sine qua non
1545870;1474405481;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, was the mode of commerce pre-industry as well as post.
1545871;1474405495;mircea_popescu;the "factory prison" system appears strictly artefact of 18th century.
1545872;1474405535;mircea_popescu;otherwise, market ~= circus.
1545873;1474405583;pete_dushenski;this much is true.
1545874;1474405588;mircea_popescu;anyway. funny how the adventure of "employment" played out, as a concept.
1545875;1474405599;mircea_popescu;nobody thought in terms of "being employed" cca 1650 ; nor much today.
1545876;1474405619;asciilifeform;eh serfdom was here in 1600 and will be here in 2600.
1545877;1474405620;mircea_popescu;that adventure - very much linked to the permanent-factory building.
1545878;1474405648;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent : a factory is, originally, where the factors go. and a factor is someone who is empowered to handle money in relation to, eg, indian fur gatherers/traders)
1545879;1474405658;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform serfdom is not employment.
1545880;1474405671;mircea_popescu;it is ontology not phenomenology. the serf is no more than his shackles.
1545881;1474405708;asciilifeform;serfdom is the simple, low-tech employment - minus the (expensive in overall terms) hiring and firing
1545882;1474405710;mircea_popescu;kinda why "strike" = "treason" in classical russian.
1545883;1474405715;mircea_popescu;this is not so.
1545884;1474405727;mircea_popescu;serfdom is first and foremost a sexual relationship.
1545885;1474405748;pete_dushenski;parental ok... but seksual ?
1545886;1474405773;mircea_popescu;(there is no other basis for ontology in human affairs - if something breaks from phenomenology into being, they will be doing it on sexual basis)
1545887;1474405779;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski parental is one kind of sexual.
1545888;1474405823;pete_dushenski;sure, but it's more specific.
1545889;1474405829;mircea_popescu;how ?
1545890;1474405844;mircea_popescu;"relationship predicated on functioning of sexual organs".
1545891;1474405865;pete_dushenski;because 'sexual' needn't include parenting ?
1545892;1474405880;*;pete_dushenski is reaching
1545893;1474405886;mircea_popescu;maybe not your peculiar definition of parenting.
1545894;1474405898;mircea_popescu;thermodynamics also needn't include beer yeasts ?
1545895;1474405922;mircea_popescu;depends. if you think yeast is a metaphysical process then it indeed needn't.
1545896;1474406038;pete_dushenski;ok, reflecting on a rather delicious romp last night, i can see the sexual == parenting angle.
1545897;1474406111;pete_dushenski;i guess i'm just unaccustomed to thinking of everything in sexual terms.
1545898;1474406173;mircea_popescu;well, not everything, but ontology for humans is sex-based.
1545899;1474406214;pete_dushenski;'to bang or not to bang, that is the question'
1545900;1474406237;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, "He explains that characterizing this as “fantasy” is not meant to be purely critical, that “fantasizing” about the moment of the big bang is what theorists do in the absence of compelling evidence, and that he just has other fantasies he thinks worthwhile."
1545901;1474406266;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the penrose book is great ; and as woit aptly points out a very good basis for groking the current affairs re qm/st/etc.
1545902;1474406423;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#156 << not exactly novel, they had a tor thing thoughout. but yes, tighter integration is to be expected across the empire.
1545903;1474406424;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:36:51] <asciilifeform> in other noose, guess what fleanode was welding on during the recent wave of resets, etc: https://freenode.net/news/tor-online
1545904;1474406540;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#169 << looks like a cheapo fingerprinting technique ? log didn't pick it up for instance.
1545905;1474406540;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:46:57] <trinque> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#158 << >> http://deedbot.org/weirdo-unicode.png
1545906;1474406600;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#185 << interesting.
1545907;1474406601;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [14:59:28] <asciilifeform> in other noose, https://review.coreboot.org/#/c/11836 << coreboot (formerly linuxbios) now has optional gnat !!11
1545908;1474406726;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#189 << in the context of this discussion re freenode, the hardening value of everyone having their own blogs on ~owned~ cms on their own hosting is not lost on the lordship, i'm sure.
1545909;1474406726;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:18:06] <pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: comment pending on your latest ch
1545910;1474406929;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#197 << lol i recall that particular alice. god we've seen a lot of these over the years have we.
1545911;1474406929;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:25:18] <scriba> Logged on 2013-05-02: [07:10:55] <truff1es> buttsex has been discussed in here dont worry☟☟
1545912;1474407227;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#247 << ahahaha what the shit
1545913;1474407228;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [15:59:38] <asciilifeform> 'Libreboot left the GNU project on 15 September 2016. The FSF revealed itself to be hostile towards trans people, so libreboot voluntarily decided to leave the GNU project, because the lead developer of libreboot is transgender herself. For those in the community who are unaware, a transgender person is someone whose internal gender identity (in
1545914;1474407229;scriba;their brain) does not match their anatomical sex or gender assigned at birth. Many who ar
1545915;1474407242;*;asciilifeform offers mircea_popescu the necessary barf bag
1545916;1474407286;pete_dushenski;it is pretty nauseating
1545917;1474407306;asciilifeform;and just when i thought that the heathens had equilibrated at the bottom of their pit
1545918;1474407315;pete_dushenski;that such 'excuses' pass for acceptability is the height of insanity
1545919;1474407333;mircea_popescu;dude... who the fuck wants as much as a farthing's worth of pest control work from someone who regards their mentally deranged state as manifest in their subjective confusion re their sex as an integral part of the process ?
1545920;1474407335;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it's at the level where the cancer cells attack the other cancer cells.
1545921;1474407349;mircea_popescu;take your "libreboot" which is "transsexual"-aware and shove it.
1545922;1474407361;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: y'know what 'libreboot' was/is, right ?
1545923;1474407366;asciilifeform;it's the rms-laptop thing.
1545924;1474407370;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: beast's gotta eat i guess
1545925;1474407382;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i never used it.
1545926;1474407382;asciilifeform;they take coreboot, snip out the non-gpl pieces, burn it into old lappys, and sell to idiots
1545927;1474407392;asciilifeform;'have JUST LIKE RMS!1111'
1545928;1474407399;mircea_popescu;anyway, sounds like cheap drama. and it can't be THAT seeing how rms used a laptop before 2013.
1545929;1474407414;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-29#1418199 << see also.
1545930;1474407414;a111;Logged on 2016-02-29 16:55 asciilifeform: so at this point i'm satisfied that rms either 1) does not actually use an x60 machine with 'libreboot' ~~or~~ does not program.
1545931;1474407435;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for a long time he had a mips thing. which was pinched by an argentine and he, recall, publicly had nervous breakdown
1545932;1474407445;mircea_popescu;so wait, leah rowe used to be a dude ?!
1545933;1474407448;asciilifeform;(the argentine pickpocket i expect also had breakdown, when he powered the thing up later)
1545934;1474407450;asciilifeform;aha
1545935;1474407553;mircea_popescu;so basically, let me get this straight, trap from nz with a history of beauty pageants etc, forked some gnu software, nobody cared, then a few years later is trying to run with it and get credit for the intellectual theft ?
1545936;1474407582;asciilifeform;something of the kind.
1545937;1474407595;asciilifeform;could've bothered to steal a piece of ~working~ tech, you'd think.
1545938;1474407607;mircea_popescu;well, unless someone's VERY bored and wants to do a deconstruction/reconstruction of the lizard agitprop into actual text...
1545939;1474407619;asciilifeform;to my shame, i read the whole thing.
1545940;1474407620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, because to the sort of vermin technology per se is not interesting.
1545941;1474407629;mircea_popescu;what was interesting was the "media" value, as seen above.
1545942;1474407633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the point of this escapade was not to steal the dud bios.
1545943;1474407642;asciilifeform;it was to steal the LAND on which it sits, so to speak.
1545944;1474407652;mircea_popescu;right.
1545945;1474407656;asciilifeform;such that when, e.g., we publish one, they can boeck it.
1545946;1474407675;mircea_popescu;yeah, i'm totally sure that'll work.
1545947;1474407685;asciilifeform;it only needs to boeck-work.
1545948;1474407696;mircea_popescu;o hey, check it out, win-win.
1545949;1474407703;asciilifeform;lol-lol.
1545950;1474407717;mircea_popescu;quite. i for one am not the least bit against things boeck-working for the boecks.
1545951;1474407731;asciilifeform;at any rate, i trotted out the probe thing for a reason, you can't really effectively work on bios without one (or similar.)
1545952;1474407737;mircea_popescu;aha
1545953;1474407768;asciilifeform;and incidentally the pill allows the board to be cloned.
1545954;1474407782;asciilifeform;(if you can source the parts, they are all end-of-life, including the weird fpga)
1545955;1474407836;mircea_popescu;meh, i guess i'm the very bored.
1545956;1474407853;asciilifeform;the copy protection used a serial number embedded in the sage box's cpu (stellaris arm-compatible)
1545957;1474407874;asciilifeform;pill takes the last published fw from vendor and heals it so it finds exactly the serial it wants to find.
1545958;1474407883;asciilifeform;(based on what the plugged-in unit says)
1545959;1474407926;mircea_popescu;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00036.html << the actual drama, if anyone cares.
1545960;1474407939;mircea_popescu;apparently nobody does, holy shit check the count for gnu.org 2016-09.
1545961;1474408042;mircea_popescu;what exactly "libreboot is no longer part of the gnu project" is supposed to mean is anyone's guess. the whole existence of gnu is in the form of licenses. they can't retroactively change these. so they'll what, move to mit/bsd licenses in the future ? nobody gives a shit. are they selling to apple ? wouldn't be the first time fraudulent operator tried this under the guise of "good reasonz, guise!!!1"
1545962;1474408229;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idea, as far as i can see, is to appelbaum the whole thing
1545963;1474408238;asciilifeform;i.e. cover in scar tissue, so that nothing grows
1545964;1474408240;mircea_popescu;the whole what thing
1545965;1474408252;mircea_popescu;well, kinda wasted effort, fsf is pretty dead in out books anyway, fwis.
1545966;1474408253;asciilifeform;the concept of a non-blobbed bios for x86
1545967;1474408259;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha what.
1545968;1474408310;asciilifeform;the (promised) thing in libreboot was 'just same as coreboot but without any magic strings from chip vendors'
1545969;1474408329;mircea_popescu;aha
1545970;1474408362;asciilifeform;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00060.html << now pushing usg.debian along for the ride.
1545971;1474408394;asciilifeform;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00059.html << one poor bastard 'doesn't know how world now worx'
1545972;1474408445;mircea_popescu;damien zammit's piece linked upstream pretty much debunks the whole thing. rowe was a scammer from day one, stole some work from some naive coder people, is trying to pay for his cheetos with it.
1545973;1474408515;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#253 <
1545974;1474408515;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:03:18] <asciilifeform> http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html << remaining working hands run for the hills.
1545975;1474408516;mircea_popescu;o hey there's an irc chan ?
1545976;1474408532;mircea_popescu;o hey check it out, #libreboot. come right in
1545977;1474408606;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: kicked in 3  2  1
1545978;1474408612;asciilifeform;lel how'd you expect that to go.
1545979;1474408616;mircea_popescu;that worked pretty well.
1545980;1474408617;Framedragger;omg i was too late to press return
1545981;1474408626;Framedragger;he got kicked before
1545982;1474408641;Framedragger;wow
1545983;1474408665;Framedragger;"***leah steals nothing" lol
1545984;1474408686;mircea_popescu;the problem with these idiots (niggers, ie technically-null wanna-be "political" bidnissmen) is that they're so fucking inept politically.
1545985;1474408761;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: do you have a log of that convo? it would be an entertaining read. or maybe a short non-time-consuming blog post? ;)
1545986;1474408763;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/2vxr4/?raw=true
1545987;1474408771;asciilifeform;^ mine was a litttle longer.
1545988;1474408784;mircea_popescu;anyway, whoever feels like playing with the nigger, feel free to link http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html to it
1545989;1474408812;Framedragger;thx
1545990;1474408995;Framedragger;leah didn't answer yet (i posted the link)
1545991;1474409154;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/markhkim/status/777489862270263296 << what passes for the logz in heathendom.
1545992;1474409178;mircea_popescu;always shocking, what the barbarian world does with
1545993;1474409187;asciilifeform;https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot-website/commit/18c0a561c44a447d558f66df5a680e162f44a58d << also lulzy.
1545994;1474409199;asciilifeform;( permission, evidently, did NOT come )
1545995;1474409219;pete_dushenski;CONSENT!
1545996;1474409220;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#283 << eminently lulzy, but how can you tell it's by hand ?
1545997;1474409221;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:22:13] <asciilifeform> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8oabs/?raw=true << in other noose, idiot has been working, at least partly BY HAND, for more than a DAY, banging on the door of dulap
1545998;1474409256;Framedragger;livelogged chat for lulz: http://log.mkj.lt/libreboot_20160920.log.txt
1545999;1474409266;Framedragger;i particularly like
1546000;1474409273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had this thread. either 'hand' or the most elaborately slow bot in existence.
1546001;1474409288;trinque;maybe trying to not trip a fail2ban
1546002;1474409308;Framedragger;[22:03:09] <leah> I still run this project
1546003;1474409308;Framedragger;[22:03:13] <leah> and your patches are still welcome
1546004;1474409308;Framedragger;[22:03:23] <leah> libreboot is currently expanding
1546005;1474409308;Framedragger;[22:03:32] <leah> the shock at the moment from the last few days is only temporary
1546006;1474409309;mircea_popescu;ah that discussion.k.
1546007;1474409318;mircea_popescu;ahahahah yeah right. i'm sure it will.
1546008;1474409329;Framedragger;[22:04:02] <leah> I was considering leaving GNU anyway
1546009;1474409335;mircea_popescu;who the fuck wants to give some random idiot their time, so the random idiot can then turn around and sell it for politics ?!
1546010;1474409439;asciilifeform;eh that's what happens when you have an fsf, which insists on being a usgtronic 'charity', instead of a 313333337 t3rr0r111st org. the former get to live with leahs and alices, the latter - expel with flamethrower.
1546011;1474409450;mircea_popescu;this is a point.
1546012;1474409469;*;asciilifeform changes petrol tank on flamethrower
1546013;1474409481;mircea_popescu;funny how leah is rapidly becoming the ~equivalent for these idiots of candi-is-a-stripper jen-is-a-sorority-slut etc
1546014;1474409494;mircea_popescu;leah-the-nigger-scum
1546015;1474409540;asciilifeform;point was that if 1) you cannot expel-with-framethrower 2) THEY know that you cannot expel-with-flamethrower -- they will come.
1546016;1474409587;asciilifeform;and subj is not limited to open sores, tor hacktiwhateverrism, etc.
1546017;1474409593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://blog.portswigger.net/2015/04/introducing-burp-collaborator.html << looks like it's actually another of those "security suites"
1546018;1474409595;asciilifeform;boring old corps are getting the same 'politruks' installed.
1546019;1474409599;asciilifeform;via same mechanism.
1546020;1474409623;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy.
1546021;1474409660;mircea_popescu;note they actually trace ips (scroll down)
1546022;1474409711;mircea_popescu;phf Framedragger anyone else with suspect load - may be worth your time to go through logs for those strings, may illuminate vulnerabilities.
1546023;1474409737;asciilifeform;in case it wasn't clear, they were dumping'em in phuctor's hopper
1546024;1474409737;asciilifeform;raw
1546025;1474409741;asciilifeform;hoping that.... ?????
1546026;1474409758;Framedragger;interesting
1546027;1474409799;asciilifeform;( this, in case it wasn't obvious, doesn't do anything interesting )
1546028;1474409824;mircea_popescu;hey, most of the web runs on shit.
1546029;1474409852;mircea_popescu;i dun think you appreciate how unthinkable this "we have a single-purpose, fully understood stack running straqight atop lamp" thing is, on account of it being common here.
1546030;1474409861;mircea_popescu;but in the world at large you might as well have magical powers.
1546031;1474409867;asciilifeform;i have monumentally nfi
1546032;1474409885;asciilifeform;normally the scanbots are a snore because they go straight to looking for the (absent) wordpress
1546033;1474409895;asciilifeform;the ones which don't, ring the bell, and i look
1546034;1474409963;mircea_popescu;aha.
1546035;1474410018;asciilifeform;it isn't even entirely clear what anyone might hope to accomplish, beyond the merely annoying, by screwing with phuctor
1546036;1474410024;asciilifeform;there are 0 secrets there
1546037;1474410051;mircea_popescu;how is a third party to interact with a "i have 0 secrets" claim ?
1546038;1474410079;asciilifeform;ok, let's rephrase, the map to finding captain kidd's buried gigatonne of gold may or may not be concealed in phuctor src.
1546039;1474410090;asciilifeform;but there is no external reason to suppose that it is.
1546040;1474410099;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#314 << that for sure, everything !#s'd should be cached.
1546041;1474410100;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:37:38] <phf> kind of tricky to cache search, since it's very one off. most load on server comes from searching (i mean it's miniscule still, but...), but i looked at analytics and search queries are all over the place. you have n hits from mentions, which ~might~ be worthwhile to cache. (like ascii does !#s foo, and then there's a dozen of hits from random ips and
1546042;1474410100;scriba;browsers)
1546043;1474410124;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#318 << nice going!
1546044;1474410124;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:39:38] <PeterL> I am running it now into the past
1546045;1474410164;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#320 << word.
1546046;1474410165;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:40:25] <phf> well, i do posgresql for money, the appeal of tmsr work is that i can do whatever the fuck, and though that means sometimes suboptimal results, there's a lot of merit in trying odd solutions
1546047;1474410210;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#331 << yes.
1546048;1474410210;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [16:47:12] <phf> i still think that's the ideal model of computing, mentat approach
1546049;1474410688;asciilifeform;argh
1546050;1474410692;asciilifeform;thing shits here when pm'd?!
1546051;1474410703;asciilifeform;jhvh1 <
1546052;1474410703;jhvh1;asciilifeform: Error: "<" is not a valid command.
1546053;1474410719;asciilifeform;or hm
1546054;1474410721;asciilifeform;nm
1546055;1474410750;asciilifeform;( for some reason my client displays replies from jhvh1 in #t tab )
1546056;1474410759;shinohai;weird
1546057;1474412372;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/random-idiot-accepts-peoples-time-and-work-idiot-turns-around-and-sells-it-for-politics/ << Qntra - Random Idiot Accepts People's Time And Work, Idiot Turns Around And Sells It For Politics
1546058;1474412449;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu for authoring title in lawgz
1546059;1474412638;mircea_popescu;o.O
1546060;1474412641;mircea_popescu;i'm flattered!
1546061;1474412729;mircea_popescu;this is where shinohai tweets qntra at derp, utter meltdown v2.0 commences.
1546062;1474412732;mircea_popescu;LIBREGATE!11
1546063;1474412753;shinohai;I tweeted it already but give me her handle, I craft another
1546064;1474412762;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/buttfinex-just-hemorrhoiding-out-lols-now/ << Qntra - Buttfinex Just Hemorrhoiding Out Lols Now
1546065;1474412773;shinohai;well, qntra tweets automatically
1546066;1474412786;BingoBoingo;Don't forget the backdoor case this makes for V! WHo' next down on the outrage train to make that case explicitly!
1546067;1474412816;shinohai;We can advertise `V` as trans-free
1546068;1474412852;BingoBoingo;transfats don't matter. The point is ATTRIBUTION VS PLAGIARISM!
1546069;1474412889;shinohai;I'd like to take this opportunity to thank pete_dushenski for article sauce btw
1546070;1474412991;BingoBoingo;In other lols https://twitter.com/blkchninstitute/status/778121912086065152 << Alf has phans!
1546071;1474413156;asciilifeform;lolwat
1546072;1474413178;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Some random retweeter accountbot.
1546073;1474413190;asciilifeform;i always assumed that was BingoBoingo
1546074;1474413197;asciilifeform;or did he lose his
1546075;1474413309;BingoBoingo;Not yet, just disused. All I lost today was a 21 y/o nursing student who refused to turn her will and life *completely* over to a higher power.
1546076;1474413770;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/gnu/comments/53q9ja/political_kerfluffel_exposes_problematic/
1546077;1474413809;shinohai;mp_pimpslap upboated
1546078;1474414191;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1546079;1474414193;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 430730 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 693 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 17 hours, 55 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1546080;1474414529;mircea_popescu;isn't it kerfuffle ?
1546081;1474414626;BingoBoingo;It's reddit, demands incorrection!
1546082;1474414779;mircea_popescu;lol
1546083;1474414879;pete_dushenski;re : shinohai's latest qntra, i'll also point out for the archivists that an embalmed copy of the 'bfx-->rrt pitch' is preserved here http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bitfinex-Preview-BFX-conversion-pitch.pdf
1546084;1474414905;mircea_popescu;might want to deed
1546085;1474414907;pete_dushenski;archive.is, webarchive, jpeg thingies... none of them could save it. so there's a 16mb pdf. hooray
1546086;1474414911;shinohai;I was gonna include but I never got it to load pete_dushenski
1546087;1474414922;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
1546088;1474414926;pete_dushenski;too large!
1546089;1474414931;shinohai;must be quite a large file
1546090;1474414936;mircea_popescu;o wowza.
1546091;1474414948;pete_dushenski;sweet bust
1546092;1474414974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shared factors with 8ball ?
1546093;1474414989;mircea_popescu;this is pretty epic ftr, we're just about at half-N size.
1546094;1474415002;thestringpuller;"Trump Jr. Likens Syrian Refugees To Skittles" @_@
1546095;1474415015;thestringpuller;^- in other lulz
1546096;1474415055;pete_dushenski;ie. syrians have multi-coloured guts when you rip open their package ?
1546097;1474415059;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#654 << o.O why push so hard!
1546098;1474415060;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1546099;1474415061;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
1546100;1474415069;mircea_popescu;Framedragger lol!
1546101;1474415102;mircea_popescu;whole line is 169 chars long...
1546102;1474415415;mircea_popescu;http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8732 << altogether epic article.
1546103;1474415528;pete_dushenski;"To me, Facebook is perhaps the most worrisome of all the Big Data concerns of the book. It now exercises an incredible amount of influence over what information people see, with this influence sometimes being sold to the highest bidder." << PEEEEEPLE. not cows and other sundry farm animals. couldn't be!
1546104;1474415616;pete_dushenski;"Edward Snowden remarked that we are now “tagged animals, the primary difference being that we paid for the tags and they’re in our pockets.”" << obv. snowden v1.
1546105;1474415619;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: The great tragedy of Mcmansion is it reinforces the vinyl and sticks school of building. That of course private residence, even "nice" one, should be hovel.
1546106;1474415771;pete_dushenski;ftr y'all can bust a cap in my ass if you ever see me doing anything more than visit a mcmansionous monstrosity for the afternoon. i think it's tragic that anyone considers ~these~ their castles. it's a failure of the education system, starting with their parents, who apparently lacked the cock and balls to smack sense into their chitlin.
1546107;1474415864;trinque;Framedragger: not necessarily advisable to announce to the world what went wrong, other than that it did.
1546108;1474415883;trinque;gives someone a way to feel around in your bot's guts for information
1546109;1474415973;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
1546110;1474415973;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9BBDEB5651AD779357CC0300D7EBA2B94508BD233C3EFCE605A33732A425A607 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
1546111;1474416112;BingoBoingo;What really get me though is the distance to egress which makes the McMansion a deathtrap.
1546112;1474416116;BingoBoingo;brb
1546113;1474416398;pete_dushenski;same could be said of office building, grade school, etc. operable windows are a ready solution to the emergency egress problem. 3.8 sq. ft. operable area is mandated in these parts.
1546114;1474416464;pete_dushenski;!!deed http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bitfinex-Preview-BFX-conversion-pitch.pdf
1546115;1474416544;shinohai;deedbot eats pdf files now?
1546116;1474416547;shinohai;lol
1546117;1474416600;pete_dushenski;maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
1546118;1474416613;shinohai;hue
1546119;1474416655;shinohai;I heard it helps if you insert a sounding rod before sticking in socket
1546120;1474416679;pete_dushenski;either way, i'll be hosting it i guess
1546121;1474416710;pete_dushenski;!~google sounding rod
1546122;1474416712;jhvh1;pete_dushenski: "Cock-stuffing" | Go Ask Alice!: <http://goaskalice.columbia.edu/answered-questions/cock-stuffing>; Sensible Sounding : Why I Inserted a Metal Rod into My Penis on ...: <http://www.nerve.com/love-sex/true-stories/sensible-sounding-why-i-inserted-a-metal-rod-into-my-penis-on-purpose>; Urethral sounding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urethral_sounding
1546123;1474416726;pete_dushenski;alice again!
1546124;1474416728;*;shinohai lels at "Go ask Alice"
1546125;1474417293;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1546126;1474417719;pete_dushenski;i deserved that
1546127;1474417751;pete_dushenski;bbl. to sing for a spell.
1546128;1474418799;mod6;good evening
1546129;1474418831;shinohai;o7 mod6
1546130;1474418846;mod6;how goes it?
1546131;1474418862;mod6;<+asciilifeform> lol-lol. << haha
1546132;1474418862;shinohai;Good here, offline builds were smooth as always.
1546133;1474418873;mod6;nice!
1546134;1474418880;mod6;cool, im gonna run some tests here myself.
1546135;1474418904;shinohai;I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms
1546136;1474418919;shinohai;Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues
1546137;1474419383;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1546092 << nope
1546138;1474419383;a111;Logged on 2016-09-20 23:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shared factors with 8ball ?
1546139;1474419398;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C29EA6B1F7D6AD77DEBA08E41C7C04C88A9C80A2BBDA661383959A4DABAC776E <<<>>> http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9BBDEB5651AD779357CC0300D7EBA2B94508BD233C3EFCE605A33732A425A607
1546140;1474419419;asciilifeform;and ftr i still have nfi why the bot dupes
1546141;1474419438;asciilifeform;my rss page does not, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss , see for yourself.
1546142;1474419441;mod6;<+shinohai> I only did 2 today, one on each of the usual platforms << ok good deal.
1546143;1474419463;mod6;<+shinohai> Didn't try the gentoo yet but don't expect any issues << ok let me know, im doing my testing on gentoo to start with anyway.
1546144;1474419815;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some lulz, calculate how many planets would be needed to hold the 8ball that you briefly thought we had.
1546145;1474419832;asciilifeform;assuming a magical 1 bit per atom storage density.
1546146;1474419846;asciilifeform;and an ~earth-sized unit of planet.
1546147;1474419919;asciilifeform;(an 8ball of this size would indeed phuctor every modulus ever submitted, in polynomial time, supposing that you could somehow arithmetize on it)
1546148;1474420052;asciilifeform;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00067.html << in other lulz.
1546149;1474420078;asciilifeform;'"We" made no such public statement, YOU did, Leah! As a major CODE contributor to the libreboot project and having been banned from the IRC channel after posting the following (mainly factual) article, I no longer will be contributing patches to Leah's personal "libreboot" pet project, but I will be pushing upstream to coreboot as usual.' -- zammit
1546150;1474420683;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1546102 << dunno, the equalista whining, e.g., 'The effects of automated algorithms sorting and rejecting job applications, with indirect consequences of discrimination against classes of people. ... The effects of algorithms that score credit, determine access to mortgages and to insurance, often with the effect of making sure that those deemed losers stay that way.' is offputting.
1546151;1474420683;a111;Logged on 2016-09-20 23:50 mircea_popescu: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8732 << altogether epic article.
1546152;1474420704;asciilifeform;the 'designated' losers are designated FOR REASONS maybe?!
1546153;1474420745;asciilifeform;could it be time to lay off the 'кто был никем тот станет всем!1111' knob..?
1546154;1474420908;asciilifeform;now i have not read the book herr woit is reviewing, but the review imho is not his finest moment.
1546155;1474421115;asciilifeform;sooooo in entirely other noose, fellas, recall the ntp mega-threadz?? e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-09#1194173
1546156;1474421115;a111;Logged on 2015-07-09 01:23 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and if they decide that 'national s33k0000r1ty' requires a leap week ?
1546157;1474421123;asciilifeform;well, guess who reads the logz
1546158;1474421126;asciilifeform;usg reads the logz.
1546159;1474421136;trinque;good evening usg!
1546160;1474421140;asciilifeform;and they have a wunderbar!1111 ntp replacement : https://roughtime.googlesource.com/roughtime
1546161;1474421143;asciilifeform;just for you and meeee!
1546162;1474421162;asciilifeform;i will leave 'spot the wtf' as an exercise for the dear reader.
1546163;1474421195;asciilifeform;(there are at least four separate howlers)
1546164;1474421562;trinque;But with half a dozen or more independent servers, the client will end up with chain of proof of any server's misbehaviour, signed by several others, and (presumably) enough accurate replies to establish what the correct time is.
1546165;1474421579;trinque;if enough people are shouting the same thing, they are right.
1546166;1474421588;asciilifeform;or how about where 'millions' of ecdsa sigs are being cranked out on boxes with prng.
1546167;1474421595;asciilifeform;or, or...
1546168;1474421600;trinque;you don't know how democracy works
1546169;1474421605;asciilifeform;evidently.
1546170;1474421627;asciilifeform;see, the disappointing part is that these are never serious puzzlers
1546171;1474421642;asciilifeform;i keep hoping to run into one where i have to pour a cup of tea, scratch head, ...etc
1546172;1474421650;asciilifeform;instead of 'omfgwtf'
1546173;1474421673;asciilifeform;these have 0 'underhanded c contest' appeal, it's straight club in your face.
1546174;1474421742;asciilifeform;it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
1546175;1474421754;asciilifeform;there is no... sport.
1546176;1474421800;asciilifeform;but, regardless, countdown 3, 2, 1.... to 'roughtime' in prb, ssl, etc.
1546177;1474421855;asciilifeform;trinque: notice the absence of any mention of the question of 'what are people'
1546178;1474421896;asciilifeform;reader is not expected to have ever heard of sybil, etc, or so much as given the matter five seconds of thought.
1546179;1474421897;trinque;they're this grey goo you can sybil up as much as you like
1546180;1474421902;trinque;heh
1546181;1474422001;trinque;it all flows directly from that they have the sybil-tron, and the fakerng, and... and...
1546182;1474422025;trinque;there's no sport because as far as I can tell, this is a device used to herd cows
1546183;1474422048;trinque;whether they're shopping at walmart, "trading" at goldman sachs, or exploding ball bearings in pressure cookers
1546184;1474422118;*;trinque wonders when the smoking man will finally visit asciilifeform, tell him where the real adversaries are
1546185;1474422197;asciilifeform;adversary is real, is is simply that his weapon of choice appears to cause death by boredom.
1546186;1474424456;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#690 << holy shit notice that ITS NOT THE SAME N
1546187;1474424456;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1546188;1474424457;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
1546189;1474424481;mircea_popescu;these keys are well and truly popped.
1546190;1474424524;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#7 << the method is in the deeds ; base64-and-sign
1546191;1474424524;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [00:10:00] <pete_dushenski> maybe! let a guy stick his dick in the electrical outlet woudlja
1546192;1474424995;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#42 << sure ; hard to find an entirely clean apple in the swamp. i'd still like to see woit here if anyone knows him enough to invite.
1546193;1474424995;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:18:24] <asciilifeform> the 'designated' losers are designated FOR REASONS maybe?!
1546194;1474425045;mircea_popescu;lol "googlegit". totally.
1546195;1474425171;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#64 << for the obvious reason. they're petrified of giving away the little they know.
1546196;1474425171;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
1546197;1474425293;mircea_popescu;http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8727 << also interesting. templeton, eh ?
1546198;1474425382;BingoBoingo;Stallman Speaks? https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00072.html
1546199;1474425412;mircea_popescu;lol "let's keep a lid on it" ?
1546200;1474425435;BingoBoingo;Compare to https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreboot/2016-09/msg00063.html
1546201;1474425443;mircea_popescu;smarter move than leah's social suicide, at any rate.
1546202;1474425505;mircea_popescu;o hey. francis rowe became leah to escape being confused with a bunch of cricket players from the 1800s ?
1546203;1474425530;BingoBoingo;Perhaps?
1546204;1474425569;mircea_popescu;https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot/commits/docs-html-backport << apparently happening ~4 months ago.
1546205;1474425664;BingoBoingo;Well, this is how trends work
1546206;1474425689;mircea_popescu;https://notabug.org/vimuser/libreboot-website/src/master/site/gnu/index.php << lotta hurr in there. this installment is tagged "response to zammit"
1546207;1474425744;mircea_popescu;lulzy at the "francis dba leah certainly isn't going anywhere". really ?
1546208;1474425749;mircea_popescu;seems he's already gone.
1546209;1474425804;BingoBoingo;4 months a Leah https://archive.is/91leC and  hurr in there https://archive.is/nSFrZ archived
1546210;1474425814;mircea_popescu;check it out, derp is "certainly not going anywhere", but "these people should resign or be fired".
1546211;1474425818;mircea_popescu;bwahahahaha.
1546212;1474425838;mircea_popescu;in other news if i hear anyone EVER collaborated with francis/leah rowe for any reason or in any capacity i'm negrating.
1546213;1474426837;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546186 << wai wahat why would it ever be the same N
1546214;1474426837;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 02:20 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#690 << holy shit notice that ITS NOT THE SAME N
1546215;1474426838;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1546216;1474426839;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
1546217;1474426841;asciilifeform;those are called dupes
1546218;1474426845;asciilifeform;and live under 'dupes' page
1546219;1474426892;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546187 << and Framedragger what's this
1546220;1474426892;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 02:20 scriba: Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1546221;1474426975;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546195 << it even has a name, in their camp, 'nonattributable'. sometimes backfires - e.g., the mandatory use of rc5/6 in usg trojans, is now quite 'attributable'
1546222;1474426975;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 02:32 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#64 << for the obvious reason. they're petrified of giving away the little they know.
1546223;1474426975;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [01:35:42] <asciilifeform> it's never 'maybe this relies on an unproven equivalence to rsa' and always 'let's million ecdsa sig per second on intel box'
1546224;1474427101;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546197 << and hey, who said yudkowsky was the only player of the 'charilaundry' game.
1546225;1474427101;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 02:34 mircea_popescu: http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=8727 << also interesting. templeton, eh ?
1546226;1474427152;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545496 << in particular how it shows NO TRANSACTIONS
1546227;1474427152;a111;Logged on 2016-09-20 07:52 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#33 << not really. block 0 (sometimes referred to as 1), ie the genesis block was handcrafted.
1546228;1474427153;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-20: [05:34:46] <ben_vulpes> https://blockexplorer.com/block/000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f << this looks entirely incorrect to people besides me, yes?
1546229;1474427387;asciilifeform;the other thing about rms and his response - the 'sex harassment' racket has been a thing in usa for long enough that a well-developed body of kabuki ritual now exists; where, if an org can demonstrate that said kabuki were religiously followed, its liability is in practice limited to something survivable
1546230;1474427404;asciilifeform;ergo the very peculiar 'mandatory trainings', 'hr processes', etc.
1546231;1474427447;asciilifeform;it has not reached the maturity of tax law, but whet were once suppurating wounds are mostly covered in scar tissue now and the schmucks sorta live with it
1546232;1474427468;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because same single machine on multiple ips, naively.
1546233;1474427469;asciilifeform;*what were
1546234;1474427485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we found a megatonne of these
1546235;1474427493;asciilifeform;or rather, of scenarios indistinguishable from them
1546236;1474427504;mircea_popescu;right. which is what i meant.
1546237;1474427523;asciilifeform;anyway, no key shared by >2 boxes iirc yet popped.
1546238;1474427531;asciilifeform;(2+ ip)
1546239;1474427532;mircea_popescu;the above ?
1546240;1474427607;asciilifeform;each of the N (moduli) listed is seen once, to date.
1546241;1474427615;mircea_popescu;anyway. along with "kyc", the "sex harassment" is a primo idiocy to have a stake driven through heart.
1546242;1474427632;mircea_popescu;from attention whoring doublespoken as "rape" all the way down to "communities" of whateverthefucks.
1546243;1474427660;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it'll die no sooner than american tax law. at this point there are 100,000 parasites who make cushy living purely from professionally navigating the kabuki.
1546244;1474427666;asciilifeform;(and, evidently, rms employs one...)
1546245;1474427688;mircea_popescu;incidentally, taking bets on how long before usg actually enters tax paid to republic in its "books" such as they are.
1546246;1474427727;asciilifeform;when it pays so much as a satoshi?
1546247;1474427745;mircea_popescu;what satoshi. on its current budget owes about half billion in its paper.
1546248;1474427752;mircea_popescu;about same for 2015, also.
1546249;1474427770;asciilifeform;this owing, it is not comparable to schmuck owing on his car loan.
1546250;1474427773;asciilifeform;it is a fiction.
1546251;1474427780;mircea_popescu;certainly not. that - fiction. this - owing.
1546252;1474428114;asciilifeform;hard to collect caviar that's already been eaten.
1546253;1474428132;asciilifeform;pig ate - max you can do is to eat the pig
1546254;1474428164;asciilifeform;which does not turn to caviar as you eat him, no.
1546255;1474428187;mod6;caviar debt, still owed.
1546256;1474428189;asciilifeform;which is what i meant by the fiction. no one will collect so much as a percent of what the lizards 'owe'.
1546257;1474428234;asciilifeform;go collect debt from earthquake.
1546258;1474428540;BingoBoingo;Pig settles caviar debt with pork. Debt eliminated by settlement.
1546259;1474428571;asciilifeform;was my point tho
1546260;1474428579;asciilifeform;it is in the pig's interest to soak up max caviar
1546261;1474428582;asciilifeform;his payment will be - same.
1546262;1474428607;asciilifeform;historically folks tried to deal with the problem via elaborate impalements etc. but it was never satisfactory solution.
1546263;1474428717;asciilifeform;( not for the naively 'obvious' reasons, but because folks who know that they will be made into 'latrine pig' tend not to surrender )
1546264;1474428759;asciilifeform;there is not a solution to this, if you will, binomial
1546265;1474428766;mod6;"no man, no problem"
1546266;1474428769;asciilifeform;( threat that leads pig to consider laying off the caviar )
1546267;1474428794;asciilifeform;mod6: thread was how the problem indeed remains after 'no man'
1546268;1474428809;asciilifeform;*was re
1546269;1474429119;asciilifeform;in re earlier thread,
1546270;1474429165;asciilifeform;59.21.182.242 and 85.218.41.103 are, on 2 continents, boxes running 'aerohive'.
1546271;1474429175;asciilifeform;which is a new turd, in the ssh turdlist.
1546272;1474429185;asciilifeform;'hiveos'.
1546273;1474429208;asciilifeform;same ssl cert, too.
1546274;1474429245;asciilifeform;http://www.aerohive.com << 'At Aerohive, we believe that every Access Point is a starting point.'
1546275;1474432131;ben_vulpes;in other tits, torture, drool and wanna-beez: https://www.instagram.com/p/BKMFkRSBs-H/
1546276;1474432878;phf;Framedragger: i'd very much appreciate if you disable your bot from "supporting" btcbase until it's fully tested. so far it just fucks with people who are trying to get btcbase quotes
1546277;1474433079;phf;oh, i guess it's just requoting links from inside a111's quotes..
1546278;1474433150;phf;Framedragger: my bad
1546279;1474433507;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're still captive in this "usg is rational" nonsense. it isn't.
1546280;1474433517;mircea_popescu;it will surrender specifically because will be made into latrine pig.
1546281;1474433590;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes wait what ?
1546282;1474433655;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: watched linked vid?
1546283;1474433665;mircea_popescu;oh it's a video. no, just saw a pic.
1546284;1474433788;trinque;ben_vulpes: oh man, I watched that 3 times so far
1546285;1474433848;ben_vulpes;there's this great arc from "oh gosh it's so hot let's flap our hands in faux dism--OH MY GOD"
1546286;1474433863;ben_vulpes;plus the drooling and then is that an oxygen line there?
1546287;1474433949;trinque;doesn't know her litany against fear
1546288;1474433951;trinque;clearly not a person
1546289;1474433988;ben_vulpes;"examinees will keep hands and legs inside the gob jabbar at all times during the experience. thank you, and enjoy the ride!"
1546290;1474434007;trinque;oh, the head turn and perk-out-my tits the brunette clearly practiced for the vid makes her wretching so much sweeter
1546291;1474434055;ben_vulpes;yeah that one gets a real mouthful
1546292;1474434089;mircea_popescu;in other applulz : litify! https://mathbabe.org/2016/09/13/more-creepy-models-2/
1546293;1474434100;asciilifeform;'the stain becomes a warning!11111'
1546294;1474434251;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546282 << i have nfi what is this. do i have to plug the speakerx in!?
1546295;1474434251;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 04:54 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: watched linked vid?
1546296;1474434269;trinque;I mean, do you enjoy crying?
1546297;1474434271;trinque;it's better with the crying
1546298;1474434287;mircea_popescu;it's some sort of javascript gnarl ; failed to work on first pass and i'm not debugging it. whatever, two girls next door doing whatever.
1546299;1474434337;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: wants his three minutes back!
1546300;1474434350;trinque;https://instagram.fhou1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/t50.2886-16/14188096_598899926957343_94066372_n.mp4
1546301;1474434501;asciilifeform;snoar
1546302;1474434508;mircea_popescu;why ty trinque
1546303;1474434716;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. "it took moses 40 years to lead the hebrews through the desert to the only place in the middle east that has no oil"
1546304;1474434718;mircea_popescu;~golda meir
1546305;1474434948;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in school,  http://66.media.tumblr.com/c60d6f7acac4d5e3414a4bbde64a6335/tumblr_neenet174k1u28xrlo1_1280.jpg
1546306;1474438557;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-19#1545169 << turns out, i'm entirely wrong and previous block hashes in each block are encoded in big endian.
1546307;1474438557;a111;Logged on 2016-09-19 17:44 ben_vulpes: i doubt it, as everything so far is little-endian, and only by convention reversed by early block explorers to show the zeros first or who the fuck knows i've never found a sensible explanation for reversing block hashes (and only block hashes!)
1546308;1474448245;ben_vulpes;mod6: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/w8wey/?raw=true
1546309;1474460772;mircea_popescu;http://fexpr.blogspot.com.ar/2016/01/schools-of-artlanging.html << the perisocial behaviours of beta males, rejected as they are from human society, stubbornly decided as they are to NOT address their actual faults is utterly staggering. the creation and maintenance of "tulpas" ie imaginary friends, of which "artlangs" is very strictly a subset, much like toy collecting (warhammer, magic the gathering, etc) also is ; elaborat
1546310;1474460773;mircea_popescu;ely neurotic self inspection, of which "transgenderism" of the alice/leah flavour is very strictly a subset, not to mention plainer nonsense of the kind displayed by eg. richard kulisz (see http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#selection-847.0-851.1) or for that matter "lesswrong". between psychotic and neurotic, the beta boi is forever floating on this sea of delusional "you are special and perfect the way y
1546311;1474460773;mircea_popescu;ou are", forever trying to change anything and everything except what'd actually help : his dumb fucking self. that's "sacred" in "humanism"!
1546312;1474460801;mircea_popescu;of all the doomed-culture-collapsing dioramas i personally witnessed, this is readily the most amusing.
1546313;1474460977;mircea_popescu;this then is also the fundamental ideological difference between republic ("we'll kill you if you continue in this manner - and we don't care how many losers just like you have to die") vs empire ("no child left behind! no matter the cost this imposes on the normal children!").
1546314;1474463472;Framedragger;(ahh. to grind some coffee beans, make self some coffee, and open #trilema irc buffer to find nice rant by mp at the end. the small joys of life!)
1546315;1474463531;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546309 << next we'll learn what, that makers of ships in bottles are also untermenschen ?
1546316;1474463531;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: http://fexpr.blogspot.com.ar/2016/01/schools-of-artlanging.html << the perisocial behaviours of beta males, rejected as they are from human society, stubbornly decided as they are to NOT address their actual faults is utterly staggering. the creation and maintenance of "tulpas" ie imaginary friends, of which "artlangs" is very strictly a subset, much like toy collecting (warhammer, magic the gathering, etc) also is ; elaborat
1546317;1474463558;asciilifeform;how about old women who make doll houses
1546318;1474463599;asciilifeform;afaik 'conlanging' is a harmless hobby, and not an publicly rancid leprosy, like alicing.
1546319;1474463648;asciilifeform;you won't find conlangers attempting to speak klingon to strangers on the street, nor to force elvish into school curriculum. afaik.
1546320;1474463829;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546310 << rk is a very special d00d, used to write me letters of 100+kB nearly-incomprehensible ???. lives in canada, on an insanity pension, in some garret.
1546321;1474463829;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ely neurotic self inspection, of which "transgenderism" of the alice/leah flavour is very strictly a subset, not to mention plainer nonsense of the kind displayed by eg. richard kulisz (see http://trilema.com/2016/full-loper-os-blogroll-review/#selection-847.0-851.1) or for that matter "lesswrong". between psychotic and neurotic, the beta boi is forever floating on this sea of delusional "you are special and perfect the way y
1546322;1474463891;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#109 << znc puts shitty non-utf-but-should-be-utf chars in logs, bot trips over them and can't ignore them. that is also (cc mircea_popescu) the reason why it keeps saying it's the same char at same position: even if you just read() the whole file into buffer, it's gonna fail (at the same place). obviously this is unsustainable, i.e. i won't put up with this.
1546323;1474463891;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [03:01:32] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546187 << and Framedragger what's this
1546324;1474463891;asciilifeform;( not schizo-flavoured insanity, but the other kind )
1546325;1474463937;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i have a similar problem in phuctor, it is a pythonism for which i know no workaround
1546326;1474463941;asciilifeform;the language must die
1546327;1474463972;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#167 << yeah, and i'm still unsure if it should not do this. i like it as it provides more context, but it's not.. standardized; it's rather ad-hoc; probably better to turn that off in scriba, and add facility for it to cite multiline passages via privmsg.
1546328;1474463973;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [04:44:39] <phf> oh, i guess it's just requoting links from inside a111's quotes..
1546329;1474464019;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah. pythonism it is.
1546330;1474464064;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/nEUYT << in other noose
1546331;1474464099;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160920/#687 << agree, will turn off. it was useful but it logs everything locally anyway..
1546332;1474464099;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1546333;1474464100;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x93 in position 295: invalid start byte]
1546334;1474464104;asciilifeform;'I got a reply from Lenovo on my Best Buy review about why the BIOS on my Yoga 900 ISK2 UltraBook has been set to stop people from using Linux. This system has a Signature Edition of Windows 10 Home installed. It is locked per our agreement with Microsoft. ... The Lenovo employee posted about locking the thread. Basically, he called me disruptive and then said that if they had to, they would turn on pre-approval so that nobody can co
1546335;1474464104;asciilifeform;mment anywhere on their support forum until they've read it and have made sure it won't embarrass them.'
1546336;1474464105;Framedragger;irony
1546337;1474464130;asciilifeform;'the SSD is locked in a proprietary RAID mode that Linux doesn't understand.'
1546338;1474464146;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah i saw that; they deleted one thread and locked the other, it seems. which is lol.
1546339;1474464149;asciilifeform;this in re 'china resists microshit any day now' threads.
1546340;1474464193;asciilifeform;china sucks the longest segment of microshit cock anyone has yet managed to swallow to date.
1546341;1474464218;asciilifeform;not merely from this one turd, but from the pile of undocumented and winblows-only hardware that if stacked would reach to pluto.
1546342;1474464475;asciilifeform;this mythical planet, where the 'third world' represents some sort of escape, i would like to move there.
1546343;1474464515;asciilifeform;because the one i live one is a bit different. the orcs compete to swallow max saheeb cock, while feigning 'rebellion.'
1546344;1474464606;asciilifeform;the fundamental issue re hardware - and we had this thread at least twice - is that manufacture of semiconductor is desperately -ev in small quantities, and so the mass-market luser - and his herder - is king.
1546345;1474464946;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546311 << humans, barring massive and normally -ev external intervention, do not 'change selves'. mircea_popescu knows this.
1546346;1474464946;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 12:26 mircea_popescu: ou are", forever trying to change anything and everything except what'd actually help : his dumb fucking self. that's "sacred" in "humanism"!
1546347;1474464957;asciilifeform;nor do they generally see any reason to.
1546348;1474465603;asciilifeform;http://lists.openwall.net/full-disclosure/2014/08/28/1 << more in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546274
1546349;1474465603;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 03:40 asciilifeform: http://www.aerohive.com << 'At Aerohive, we believe that every Access Point is a starting point.'
1546350;1474465627;asciilifeform;quite the circus.
1546351;1474466470;mircea_popescu;lol Framedragger bout same here! ground coffee etc.
1546352;1474466481;asciilifeform;lel mine is being ground as we speak
1546353;1474466557;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not the activity ; it's the activiter. you can have great rapist, ie gengis ; you can have soddy alley scum, ie lavernty beria. many polish lenses, for every spinoza there's untold leahs.
1546354;1474466586;asciilifeform;i have seen the lenses of the leahs though. they are unremarkable and unusable.
1546355;1474466618;asciilifeform;defective people turn all they touch, to shit, nyooz at 11, etc.
1546356;1474466623;mircea_popescu;quite. this is the important thing here : hanging out with the "cool kids" doth not make one a cool kid. it's not infectious, some sort of rubeola, that "all" can in principle catch, excepting genetic weird.
1546357;1474466662;mircea_popescu;in any case i'm not saying "you alf, do not do what you want to do because stupid people also do it". i'm saying "you stupid guy, going through the motion of alf as you perceive them doth not make you alf."
1546358;1474466662;asciilifeform;i have nfi who ever supposed that it was?
1546359;1474466671;mircea_popescu;ie, "there;s no formal approach to life", also news at 11.
1546360;1474466684;asciilifeform;formula for salvation!1111
1546361;1474466687;asciilifeform;or how did it go
1546362;1474466689;mircea_popescu;it's really in no sense a new anything ; just restatement of the exact same ancient ideas at the fundament of the republic.
1546363;1474466719;asciilifeform;see also the thread re 'tolkien vs the tolkienists'
1546364;1474466720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also where's that "shannonized mp" thread
1546365;1474466736;mircea_popescu;aha, same idea.
1546366;1474466761;asciilifeform;or the one where farmer hangs out with chickens but never learns to lay egg.
1546367;1474466773;mircea_popescu;so... myeah.
1546368;1474466864;asciilifeform;in other 'news', winblows 10 displays a screen-filling 'WE ARE HAPPY YOU'RE HERE' on install. if i ever drive a gasenwagen, i would like these words to be printed inside, for the 'clients' to read.
1546369;1474466928;mircea_popescu;which is the nature and inner core of elitism. A can do whatever he pleases ; B must do whatever he can. guy slaps butt on street, girl turns and coos ; other guy sort-of-asks-girl-out-with-apology-included, girl looks at him like she never saw talking geese before, guy stumbles to his exit stage left. guy is in heaven other guy is in hell, his life is so unfair etc.
1546370;1474466950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol but why
1546371;1474466959;asciilifeform;why which
1546372;1474466965;mircea_popescu;the gasenwagen
1546373;1474466985;mircea_popescu;mine will just contain centerfolds of old playboys, 1970s, rolling stone magazines, that sorta thing.
1546374;1474466987;asciilifeform;for, e.g., perpetrators of microshit.
1546375;1474467016;mircea_popescu;anti vietnam war songs. plus a lifesize poster of randy from south park going "oh... we can say one thing and do another! you can be america's muscle i'll be its caring soul!"
1546376;1474467026;*;asciilifeform nostalgic, and wasn't even there
1546377;1474467030;mircea_popescu;the memorabiliamobile.
1546378;1474467047;asciilifeform;folks will line up to be gassed in that one.
1546379;1474467078;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1546380;1474467090;mircea_popescu;give them a fatal dose of ricin or w/e + a scale model of uss cole.
1546381;1474467101;asciilifeform;complete with hole!
1546382;1474467122;mircea_popescu;well there's a hole in everything.
1546383;1474467144;asciilifeform;http://www.cargolaw.com/images/Disaster2000.Cole.14.GIF << y'know, uss cole
1546384;1474467154;mircea_popescu;yes dude, i know. i said it!
1546385;1474467160;asciilifeform;for n00bz
1546386;1474467192;mircea_popescu;amusingly, back then the designs were terrible but still marginally operable.
1546387;1474467201;mircea_popescu;do that to a "littoral combatshit", it's gone.
1546388;1474467218;asciilifeform;would prolly snap in two.
1546389;1474467227;mircea_popescu;they'll take it home in one of those 1m puzzle boxes.
1546390;1474467438;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#235 << people don't normally belong outside of the cow pen, either.
1546391;1474467439;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [13:35:47] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546311 << humans, barring massive and normally -ev external intervention, do not 'change selves'. mircea_popescu knows this.
1546392;1474467530;mircea_popescu;> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:51:20 +0000
1546393;1474467530;mircea_popescu;> These vulnerabilities have been disclosed to the vendor on or before the 24th of April 2014.
1546394;1474467542;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, this nonsense does not satisfy my criteria for "full disclosure".
1546395;1474467546;mircea_popescu;this is evil disclosure.
1546396;1474467580;mircea_popescu;pro tip : giving the perpetrator of crime early warning is criminal. you notify the vendor MONTHS AFTER release. not at the same time as release. not fucking BEFORE release.
1546397;1474467588;mircea_popescu;a minimum of one month after releasing, you notify the vendor.
1546398;1474467607;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160919/#90 << see also.
1546399;1474467608;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-19: [15:34:12] <asciilifeform> in other lulz, 'In the last two weeks many security professionals have praised Apple for reacting lightning fast to the PEGASUS threat that has been actively exploited in the wild. This praise was given because the parties involved kept samples from independent 3rd party researchers and did not reveal any detailed information about the kernel
1546400;1474467609;scriba;vulnerabilities involved to the public. Without this information the public simply assumed t
1546401;1474467634;mircea_popescu;also you don't recommend upgrading. NOT EVER.
1546402;1474467655;mircea_popescu;you recommend never ever using anything made by the PEOPLE INVOLVED. no matter in what capacity involved. not the fucking dba "vendor" symbol either.
1546403;1474467667;mircea_popescu;attaches to people ; sinks their career. even if they were "not involved". they were involved.
1546404;1474467731;asciilifeform;about as practical as 'sinking the career' of the pigeon who shat on my car around sunrise.
1546405;1474468994;mircea_popescu;dude...
1546406;1474469003;mircea_popescu;you'll end up in a bath tub i'm telling you.
1546407;1474469097;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546322 << this behavior has nothing to do with znc (unless you explicitly configured znc to recode your messages), it has to do with the fact that irc is encoding agnostic. used to be you had koi8-r only channels, or latin-1 only channels etc. now utf-8 is the "standard" but from back in those days you have a peculiar hack surviging in a lot of clients. everyone's expected to be able to read latin-1,
1546408;1474469097;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 13:18 Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#109 << znc puts shitty non-utf-but-should-be-utf chars in logs, bot trips over them and can't ignore them. that is also (cc mircea_popescu) the reason why it keeps saying it's the same char at same position: even if you just read() the whole file into buffer, it's gonna fail (at the same place). obviously this is unsustainable, i.e. i won't put up with this.
1546409;1474469097;phf;but not necessarily your special encoding. so client will guess the encoding of the line you're sending, and if it can be encoded as latin-1 it'll send it as such, otherwise utf-8
1546410;1474469097;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [03:01:32] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546187 << and Framedragger what's this
1546411;1474469110;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#207 << ftr this is mostly old japanese men.
1546412;1474469110;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [13:12:38] <asciilifeform> how about old women who make doll houses
1546413;1474469158;phf;mircea_popescu's xchat specifically still does that. so his latin-1 encodable text comes out as such, otherwise it gets promoted to utf-8
1546414;1474469195;phf;the way you deal with this madness you can see in the guts of a lot of irc clients: you try and decode just that line as utf-8, and if that fails, you decode it as latin-1.
1546415;1474469215;mircea_popescu;ahahaha check him out, he unrolled the ball of yarn
1546416;1474469218;mircea_popescu;nice going.
1546417;1474469265;phf;oh there's a lot of shit like that in btcbase, that's what i was working on while not working on stability issues apparently
1546418;1474469282;mircea_popescu;(ftr this is the irc protocol, even if many clients don't respect it. latin-1 with utf-8 fallback.)
1546419;1474469319;mircea_popescu;used to be latin-1 with $arbitrary fallback, but THAT insanity (koi-9 chgannels, etc) blessfully went away.
1546420;1474469341;mircea_popescu;in favour of you know, everyone shoving his insanity & watergun into "the same" balloon.
1546421;1474469349;phf;but correct way of handling this in python, is to read() line by line, which returns whatever, ascii, then parse the [date] <nick> bits as ascii, then take the rest of line and try: msg.decode('utf-8') except: msg.decode('latin-1')
1546422;1474469372;mircea_popescu;well technically the other way around, but whatevs.
1546423;1474469415;phf;no no utf-8 is first, because latin-1 decoder will happily decode whatever, where's utf-8 will fail on umlauts and accent graves and such
1546424;1474469477;mircea_popescu;latin-1 should fail on "nonprintables" or w/e they're called.
1546425;1474469511;mircea_popescu;then again, i dun think anyone seriously maintained any of this in a decade+, so who even knows.
1546426;1474469549;phf;and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.
1546427;1474469563;mircea_popescu;now this.
1546428;1474469569;mircea_popescu;ALL CHARS ARE BYTES!
1546429;1474469621;phf;yeah, that's how btcbase looks at it. messages are stored and mostly processed as utf-8 encoded byte-arrays
1546430;1474469699;mircea_popescu;anyway. 8 bytes per char ? fuck that dumb shit.
1546431;1474470184;mircea_popescu;in other fucking lulz :  https://www.eir.ie/egt/standards/iso10646/ucs-roadmap.html
1546432;1474470192;mircea_popescu;everything that's wrong with utf in one simple line.
1546433;1474470234;mircea_popescu;still linked from, eg, w3.org page. you know the one, where they importantly whine about stupid.
1546434;1474470370;phf;ah
1546435;1474470371;phf;err
1546436;1474470372;phf;ha
1546437;1474470403;mircea_popescu;phf supposedly they're going to have >100k glyphs "soon". and somebody's gonna even make glyphs for all this fucking nonsense.
1546438;1474470436;mircea_popescu;used to take an expert a week to make you a new font. now it's outside of the capabilities of the us government.
1546439;1474470465;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546406 << the flyin' kind or the drownin' kind ..?
1546440;1474470465;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 14:43 mircea_popescu: you'll end up in a bath tub i'm telling you.
1546441;1474470479;phf;it's probably just the japanese adding more emoji
1546442;1474470484;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the kind you push up and down the hill in a great flurry to "help with athen's defense"
1546443;1474470507;*;asciilifeform not familiar
1546444;1474470519;mircea_popescu;!~google diogenes kyon
1546445;1474470520;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: My hero Diogenes the Cynic | Outre monde: <https://outre-monde.com/2010/07/16/my-hero-diogenes-the-cynic/>; Diógenes Kyon Profiles | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/public/Di%25C3%25B3genes-Kyon>; My Hero Diogenes the Cynic | Psychology Today: <https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/my-hero-diogenes-the-cynic>
1546446;1474470578;phf;"man sitting on a toilet while wearing a horse mask glyph", which, by u.s. fraction of the unicode lobby is augmented to, "woman ..." "minority permutation ..."
1546447;1474470632;mircea_popescu;https://www.blueboxcloud.com/insight/blog-article/getting-out-of-mysql-character-set-hell << re double converted utf and other machine-produced lulz
1546448;1474470698;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546431 << 404
1546449;1474470698;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 15:03 mircea_popescu: in other fucking lulz :  https://www.eir.ie/egt/standards/iso10646/ucs-roadmap.html
1546450;1474470735;phf;i recon, that is the gist of the joke
1546451;1474470787;phf;come to think of it first proper exposure to encoding hell was mp3 id3 tags
1546452;1474470824;asciilifeform;my first exposure was trying to make a ru font, by hand, for a '90s gadget called 'rocketbook'
1546453;1474470864;asciilifeform;https://innovators.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/pictures/Rocketbook_wv.jpg << subj
1546454;1474470885;asciilifeform;https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/57/198774163_6a1d6f0280_b.jpg << also subj
1546455;1474470887;mircea_popescu;my first was "wtf is that gunk at beginning of text file ?" "oh, windows."
1546456;1474470973;phf;asciilifeform: second photo makes it, complete with slightly rounded crt and a gunky beige keyboard
1546457;1474470974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: microshit's traditional (and to this day favoured, as in default in their toolchain) incarnation of uniturd has fixed 16-bit characters
1546458;1474470982;asciilifeform;phf: aha!
1546459;1474471017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at soime point (maybe windows 95 ?) they were adding a 2 byte "bom" at beginning of all "text" files
1546460;1474471020;mircea_popescu;making them not text files.
1546461;1474471049;asciilifeform;this somehow silently vanished
1546462;1474471064;mircea_popescu;i am willing to bet it's still there, in utf.
1546463;1474471069;asciilifeform;they still do cr-lf though.
1546464;1474471078;mircea_popescu;maybe they fucked up the tools that'd show it ; but i will not believe it's gone
1546465;1474471118;asciilifeform;neither ms-vs nor 'notepad' in xp, '07, '08, '10, seem to produce such a thing.
1546466;1474471125;asciilifeform;can't speak immediately for other winblowsen.
1546467;1474471166;asciilifeform;it may be artifact of particular 'language localization' turds.
1546468;1474471172;mircea_popescu;possible.
1546469;1474471270;mircea_popescu;and in other denim chic, http://66.media.tumblr.com/9073b84663a5bb665c4f7922f343b416/tumblr_n7yg3vN4sS1qfye3yo1_1280.jpg
1546470;1474471473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4in79/?raw=true
1546471;1474472073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546426 << spreading -- worx!1111
1546472;1474472073;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 14:52 phf: and for the record, read in python doesn't ever fail, what fails is elevation from str to unicode that implicitly happens in places, like when you do "print" or inside the html encoder or whatever. the correct way is to treat "str" as a byte sequence, and explicitly do encode/decode when appropriate.
1546473;1474472104;asciilifeform;never mind that the ~libraries~, which are the ~only reason anyone even writes proggy in python, more or less invariably croak on uniturds.
1546474;1474472382;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1p3F
1546475;1474472383;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1546476;1474474582;phf;asciilifeform: having fixed a share of "unicode doesn't work in python!!1" problems, i'm pretty sure that it's an operator problem
1546477;1474474670;phf;and it's definitely ~not~ the case of spreading works. python made a very right and sane distinction between strings and bytes. and the interaction of the two requires awareness. the mistake that they made is to make the conversion implicit, which lets people pretend like underlying problems don't exist, and when it breaks ~like it should~ blame it on python
1546478;1474475228;shinohai;!~ticker --market all
1546479;1474475234;jhvh1;shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 594.25, vol: 3917.17885667 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 602.397, vol: 4641.86567 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 596.55, vol: 8169.58234951 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 594.258098, vol: 317233.20460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 597.05, vol: 979.20803282 | Volume-weighted last average: 594.434862554
1546480;1474475632;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1546481;1474475646;mircea_popescu;https://59.21.182.242 user: admin pw: aerohive << have fun.
1546482;1474475778;mircea_popescu;phf i'm of the same persuasion. they should never have included "automagic" conversions.
1546483;1474475793;mircea_popescu;a mistake ~on the level of a c that included "automagic" memalloc.
1546484;1474475936;mats;TIL this is a thing http://alfa-media.com/products/tf%20raid.html
1546485;1474475972;asciilifeform;mats: ancient history
1546486;1474476286;asciilifeform;in euro lulz, http://espresso.repubblica.it/attualita/2016/07/01/news/a-ruling-by-the-italian-supreme-court-news-do-expire-online-archives-would-need-to-be-deleted-1.275720
1546487;1474476324;asciilifeform;'The case originated when the owners of a restaurant decided that they no longer would accept that a news piece reporting on an legal case in which they were involved was accessible online from the archives of Primadanoi.it, a local news website of the Abruzzo region ... The plaintiffs did not dispute the veracity of the facts reported in the article, which is incidentally a case still at bar, nor the circumstance that, at least as t
1546488;1474476325;asciilifeform;he local community is concerned, the news story was undeniably of public interest. They just argued that, two and half years from the events reported in the story, the right to inform the public could no longer be invoked to justify the permanence online of a story that was damaging their reputation and the image of their restaurant.'
1546489;1474476751;asciilifeform;in other lulz, from the koch conf, https://sks-keyservers.net/files/2016-09_OpenPGP-Conf-sks-keyservers.pdf >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5a0ab/?raw=true << guess of what 0 mention...
1546490;1474476796;asciilifeform;https://gnupg.org/blog/20160921-openpgp-conf.html << boeck's crud apparently unpublished
1546491;1474476852;asciilifeform;they unveiled the 5th or so tard-cardano, also.
1546492;1474476853;asciilifeform;lulzy
1546493;1474476877;asciilifeform;FSF-endorsed!11111
1546494;1474476911;asciilifeform;also rolled out the umpteenth honeytrap for killing usg leakers
1546495;1474476922;asciilifeform;('globaleaks')
1546496;1474476949;asciilifeform;and buncha other snores.
1546497;1474477014;asciilifeform;https://github.com/trevp/double_ratchet/wiki << and a usg gossipd.
1546498;1474477040;asciilifeform;( https://github.com/1984not-GmbH/molch rather, above is 'spec')
1546499;1474477094;asciilifeform;aaaaand another heathen 'pgp is obsolete, here's a' >> https://github.com/stealth/opmsg
1546500;1474477098;shinohai;What lulz "double ratchet"
1546501;1474477107;asciilifeform;'opmsg requires the crypto primitives from OpenSSL. Just relax, its not using the SSL/TLS proto, just the ciphering and hash algorithms. '
1546502;1474477141;thestringpuller;this obsession with OpenSSL for crypto operations is uncanny.
1546503;1474477189;PeterL;"just relax, spread wider, this won't hurt a bit"
1546504;1474477190;asciilifeform;quite canny.
1546505;1474477257;thestringpuller;i guess i don't understand the obsession
1546506;1474477270;thestringpuller;after heartbleed OpenSSL should have been avoided like the plague
1546507;1474477364;PeterL;what would they use instead?
1546508;1474477461;asciilifeform; 'Oh that will not do, said Milder to Moulder / Oh what will you do then said Festel to Fose / Great guns and great cannon said John the Red Nose ... ' (tm) (r) (english folk song)
1546509;1474477522;thestringpuller;PeterL: that's a asciilifeform question
1546510;1474477535;trinque;write the damned crypto
1546511;1474477547;thestringpuller;^- iff good at math
1546512;1474477551;asciilifeform;why do cattle need crypto..?
1546513;1474477570;thestringpuller;so they can put their grass territory on deedbot?
1546514;1474478610;ben_vulpes;> tardano
1546515;1474478990;shinohai;Annnnd ben_vulpes coins a new term for the republic.
1546516;1474479216;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://putintrump.org
1546517;1474479529;mircea_popescu;needless to say, qntra isn't going to implement italian "supreme court" bullshit ; nor is "italy" a sovereign in any sense.
1546518;1474479553;asciilifeform;only linked as illustration that not all idiocies originate in usa
1546519;1474479570;mircea_popescu;few idiocies originate in usa, really.
1546520;1474479579;PeterL;archive everything!
1546521;1474479583;mircea_popescu;they're just slavish copyists of eurononsense
1546522;1474479594;shinohai;mircea_popescu does story merit a qntra just for the lulz ?
1546523;1474479685;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1546524;1474479721;mircea_popescu;the way things currently stand, being mentioned in qntra increases the italian gdp by a significant ammount, which is unjustified by an mostly absent public interest in the affairs of the shithole.
1546525;1474479728;mircea_popescu;let them pay for advertising like any other wanna-be corp.
1546526;1474479781;mircea_popescu;"italy" is not  a thing. arguably that it ever was.
1546527;1474479818;asciilifeform;thing in the same way india was/is a thing.
1546528;1474479826;asciilifeform;lizards want orcs in convenient corrals.
1546529;1474479864;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1546530;1474479865;asciilifeform;oh ffs
1546531;1474479956;PeterL;!~ty mircea_popescu
1546532;1474479956;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1546533;1474480010;shinohai;mircea_popescu let them pay for advertising like any other wanna-be corp.   <<< nb and good point
1546534;1474480027;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160921/#395 << very canny. all they got is a pile of shit ; bypassing it annuls ~a decade of usg.nsa "work"
1546535;1474480027;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-21: [16:59:50] <asciilifeform> quite canny.
1546536;1474480045;mircea_popescu;which, given that it's not 2000 anymore, they can't reproduce.
1546537;1474480056;asciilifeform;eh they've got spare piles o' shit, e.g., nacl, etc
1546538;1474480066;mircea_popescu;so stuck importing utf, ntp, "open-sores-sl" etc into everything or bust
1546539;1474480107;mircea_popescu;but anyway, to remind teh esteemed lordship that http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/ is still open for comments etc.
1546540;1474480149;*;asciilifeform has a very lengthy treatise in the works, but it needs a) trimming b) refinement, took mircea_popescu's 'stop sending gibblets' criticism to heart
1546541;1474480173;asciilifeform;complete with asciiart.
1546542;1474480177;mircea_popescu;works.
1546543;1474480199;asciilifeform;if doing something, do it well, etc
1546544;1474480244;*;PeterL eager awaiting asciilifeform's response
1546545;1474480509;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.madewithcode.com , linked from google front pg, 'Learn about the women using code to change the world. Their inspiring stories demonstrate just some of the ways code can shape our lives.' 'In 2015 the United Nations came together to make a list of Global Goals for our planet. Now they need us to help spread the word. Begin your coding journey by choosing the issue that matters the most to you and become par
1546546;1474480509;asciilifeform;t of the change.'
1546547;1474480520;asciilifeform;didjaknow.
1546548;1474480533;asciilifeform;'MEET THE WOMEN CODING FOR CHANGE'
1546549;1474480559;asciilifeform;'CODE FOR PEACE. CODE FOR EQUALITY. CODE TO END POVERTY.'
1546550;1474480590;PeterL;seems like that would be easy, just write a script to give everybody the same amount of money!
1546551;1474480636;asciilifeform;dun forget to remove balls first
1546552;1474480641;PeterL;if is_violence(action): stop
1546553;1474480643;shinohai;$./communism.pl
1546554;1474480648;mircea_popescu;hey, almost an exact opposite of republican goals.
1546555;1474480657;mircea_popescu;how about - code to end equality.
1546556;1474480690;mircea_popescu;and to ensure poverty for anyone involved with google, the un, etcetera.
1546557;1474480694;asciilifeform;'CODE FOR WAR. CODE FOR ELITISM. CODE TO ENSLAVE.'
1546558;1474480707;mircea_popescu;eh enslave. who can be bothered.
1546559;1474480716;asciilifeform;enpork.
1546560;1474480718;mircea_popescu;if your crazy chechen cousin brought you a goat, you wouldn't want to KEEP it
1546561;1474480740;asciilifeform;goat, unlike google 'coders', has market value.
1546562;1474480744;asciilifeform;can sell.
1546563;1474480752;mircea_popescu;depends entirely on the market.
1546564;1474480763;asciilifeform;i knew where to sell goat in washington.
1546565;1474480770;asciilifeform;not rocket surgery.
1546566;1474480792;asciilifeform;the 'google gendered', on the other hand...
1546567;1474480810;mircea_popescu;may be a market for them in detroit/baltimore.
1546568;1474480847;asciilifeform;dunno that a self-respecting cannibal would want to eat'em
1546569;1474480851;asciilifeform;and can't think what other use.
1546570;1474480862;mircea_popescu;in not-really-other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/3de1084ccb1e6d24ff754dccbe7bf16c/tumblr_njcre2C87w1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg
1546571;1474480889;asciilifeform;lel
1546572;1474480895;asciilifeform;very trustin' folk
1546573;1474480907;asciilifeform;( would mircea_popescu do this ? )
1546574;1474480916;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1546575;1474480962;*;asciilifeform pictures cocksucking equivalent of the periscope for eyeholes in doors
1546576;1474481034;mircea_popescu;in general the way this works is : a) you put two inch styrofoam panels on light metal rails with gloryhole ; b) you affix lcd eyeheight, and play porn on it and c) you get women lined up to service behind the wall.
1546577;1474481039;asciilifeform;with something like those old pin matrix.
1546578;1474481055;mircea_popescu;this way you can turn N ugly cocksuckers + K pretty whores into irl satisfaction for N*c idiots
1546579;1474481063;mircea_popescu;as opposed to being limited in any way by the width of K.
1546580;1474481069;asciilifeform;http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/67d913c979ee44a8931481143d5c3d0a/channel-lock-wrench-in-a-pin-matrix-akn840.jpg
1546581;1474481111;mircea_popescu;seeing how it takes about two hours to teach anyone to suck cock but you can't turn 99% of extant female population into fap fodder no matter what you do.
1546582;1474481145;asciilifeform;next step, as suggested by the pin thing, is telesucking.
1546583;1474481221;asciilifeform;http://www.tactileview.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pin-device-1024x691.jpg << better photo.
1546584;1474481272;mircea_popescu;you're technologizing the wrong way, really.
1546585;1474481317;asciilifeform;how's that
1546586;1474481402;mircea_popescu;waste of time to try and remove the N from the equation.
1546587;1474481412;mircea_popescu;that's the last bit you optimize.
1546588;1474481425;asciilifeform;seems like the last bit remaining, neh ?
1546589;1474481458;asciilifeform;it's there on the chopping block, waiting for the optimization.
1546590;1474482553;ben_vulpes;(goat is very useful for blackberry control)
1546591;1474484434;asciilifeform;in definitely not newz, 'Counterfeit batteries are a HUGE problem on eBay.  I firmly believe that probably over 85% of the Lithium Ion batteries on eBay are counterfeit or of inferior/dangerous quality.  Most of them are extremely overrated as well.  For instance, a 18650 cell simply cannot hold 4000MaH.  It’s not physically possible for on of these cells output that much energy without draining it to an unusable state. Whatever th
1546592;1474484434;asciilifeform;e case, our theory is that we are sending out batteries over to China to be recycled and they are disassembling the battery packs and reshrinkwrapping them and then selling them back to us on eBay.  Not sure if that’s the case with all of it but I’m sure that some of that is happening.' ( http://www.notanon.com/electronics/rebuilding-a-toshiba-libretto-50ct-battery-pack/2011/03/18/comment-page-1/ )
1546593;1474484494;asciilifeform;( and remember when lappy used to come with that standalone charger thing ! )
1546594;1474485514;phf;by god, trusted chinaman turned out to have his own agenda, what. who could've predicted
1546595;1474485660;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545761 << http://67.media.tumblr.com/66695636e29092b1cace3ad71c5c99f2/tumblr_odbi6yXhXx1sndzdgo1_500.jpg
1546596;1474485660;a111;Logged on 2016-09-20 16:50 asciilifeform: phf: aha, before the zombies took over.
1546597;1474485693;asciilifeform;also warning to any enthusiasts of 'pcengine' board: latest revisions ship with 'Intel i210AT / i211AT' nic.
1546598;1474485703;asciilifeform;instead of the venerable realtek 'crab'.
1546599;1474485716;asciilifeform;trinque, phf, mircea_popescu , et al ^
1546600;1474486260;mircea_popescu;what exactly is "recycled" going to mean if not exactly this ?
1546601;1474486401;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9791CD47CA7C159454EF0EBAB5B2CDDA613798E4C87012959ADA6E8A63949A27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13282798872778531390170909277598178887857129355585276588971246436147006560911342968764445274037224411544389715545674384485854050096215214333562985037464979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.94.78.217 (ssh-rsa key from 223.94.78.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1546602;1474486795;asciilifeform;^ china, incidentally.
1546603;1474486830;*;mircea_popescu likes all these big thick fuctors.
1546604;1474486914;asciilifeform;this one doesn't seem to fall into any of the known litmus categories.
1546605;1474486930;asciilifeform;though it is up, and there appears to be a microshit box behind it.
1546606;1474486941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9791CD47CA7C159454EF0EBAB5B2CDDA613798E4C87012959ADA6E8A63949A27 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13282798872778531390170909277598178887857129355585276588971246436147006560911342968764445274037224411544389715545674384485854050096215214333562985037464979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '223.94.78.217 (ssh-rsa key from 223.94.78.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on
1546607;1474486941;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8FC5CF2B4967FCB5A48F3CB895ABE79B21364FF6EC46B6FDEFB18D47EC998B76 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 13282798872778531390170909277598178887857129355585276588971246436147006560911342968764445274037224411544389715545674384485854050096215214333562985037464979 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '112.16.95.66 (ssh-rsa key from 112.16.95.66 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on F
1546608;1474486962;asciilifeform;aaaah and there's its 'sibling'.
1546609;1474487220;asciilifeform;that last one has a world-open postgres...
1546610;1474487226;asciilifeform;and fuck knows what else.
1546611;1474487227;mircea_popescu;lol.
1546612;1474487237;mircea_popescu;#trilema free hosting solutions.
1546613;1474487242;asciilifeform;aha.
1546614;1474487589;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-21#1546595 << intensely depressing.
1546615;1474487589;a111;Logged on 2016-09-21 19:21 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-20#1545761 << http://67.media.tumblr.com/66695636e29092b1cace3ad71c5c99f2/tumblr_odbi6yXhXx1sndzdgo1_500.jpg
1546616;1474487623;asciilifeform;notice no 'window decoration' shitola.
1546617;1474487634;asciilifeform;nor mice.
1546618;1474487727;asciilifeform;the comp-for-thinking-folk aaaalmost happened.
1546619;1474487774;*;asciilifeform showed to pet, who noted 'the comp in every bit of science fiction written by thinking folk of old, the research console, starship bridge, etc'
1546620;1474487989;phf;kind of disappointed this isn't a thing either, http://s3.amazonaws.com/cooltools_legacy/archives/duvall.jpg (was custom designed and built by herman miller for SAIL)
1546621;1474488033;trinque;eh, I'd much rather stand
1546622;1474488066;asciilifeform;phf: i bet they have it in japan.
1546623;1474488106;phf;asciilifeform: kind of, except they just have coffee table like things that you can put your laptop on
1546624;1474488139;phf;this sort of cargo cult bullshit https://yogalongbeach.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/yoga-desk.jpg
1546625;1474488213;mircea_popescu;o hey check it out, japan builds the legstands.
1546626;1474488241;phf;traditional crafts. sort of like "made in america
1546627;1474488243;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw buncha 504s on phuctor ?
1546628;1474488259;asciilifeform;no?
1546629;1474488264;phf;er, "made in america" stuff is all leather boots and wood axes
1546630;1474488273;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: loads fine.
1546631;1474488273;trinque;how the hell does anyone tolerate sitting on hard wood
1546632;1474488308;asciilifeform;phf: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=861 << obligatory.
1546633;1474488320;phf;trinque: they don't in both cases there's a cushion
1546634;1474488356;trinque;knees are still on it
1546635;1474488377;trinque;plus folding your legs constricts circulation
1546636;1474488389;phf;thank you, dr. phil
1546637;1474488418;trinque;claiming humans evolved to spend 8hrs on their asses or what?
1546638;1474488454;trinque;plus I thought he only did trailer park emotional issues
1546639;1474488499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seems to load ok, but logs show hammering earlier
1546640;1474488504;mircea_popescu;ah
1546641;1474488505;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try whatever it was you wanted.
1546642;1474488524;mircea_popescu;trinque women did! hence fat tail!
1546643;1474488531;trinque;hm!
1546644;1474488613;phf;trinque: mechanics of padmasana doesn't put weight on knees. i don't know what that lady is doing (that picture is straight up cargo cult), but even in her caise majority of her weight is on the lower buttocks
1546645;1474491322;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/canadian-keisters-other-buttcoins-in-heist/ << Qntra - Canadian Keisters Other Buttcoins In Heist
1546646;1474491378;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1546647;1474491389;shinohai;o7 BingoBoingo
1546648;1474494416;phf;!#s dmitry.gr
1546649;1474494416;a111;1 result for "dmitry.gr", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dmitry.gr
1546650;1474494497;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-09#1295539 came across this thing again
1546651;1474494497;a111;Logged on 2015-10-09 14:07 punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295525 << example for readers http://dmitry.gr/index.php?proj=07.+Linux+on+8bit&r=05.Projects
1546652;1474494651;asciilifeform;lel that thing
1546653;1474494661;asciilifeform;approx as useful as 'linux on brainfuck interpreter'
1546654;1474494665;phf;the next tmsr-machine!!1
1546655;1474494804;asciilifeform;either that or made of gurlz
1546656;1474494812;asciilifeform;dripping on one another, or similar.
1546657;1474494880;phf;when we all are digging irradiated carrots and remembering the good old "days of knowing (pre-Event)", mp will still be running bitcoin on those things
1546658;1474495052;asciilifeform;obligatory:
1546659;1474495060;asciilifeform;!#s great slow kings
1546660;1474495060;a111;4 results for "great slow kings", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=great%20slow%20kings
1546661;1474495164;phf;i like how first google link is to mashkov lib (or whatever's left of it, post-burning)
1546662;1474495217;asciilifeform;gotta know the current mirror, they change what now, weekly?
1546663;1474495269;phf;i don't know the current mirror, i was using librusec, until that too went to shit
1546664;1474495409;asciilifeform;ditto flibusta, until same
1546665;1474495422;asciilifeform;(the latter is ~mostly intact)
1546666;1474501321;*;mircea_popescu is reading "the law of baron and femme", apropos of irradiated carrots
1546667;1474502360;mircea_popescu;eg "A note, payable to a feme covert, for a debt due to her while sole, is legally payable to the husband, and the property vests absolutely in him, and after his death, goes to his executor or administrator, and not to the wife." and other such wonders.
1546668;1474503696;asciilifeform;https://archive.org/details/baronandfemeatr00unkngoog << subj ?
1546669;1474503731;mircea_popescu;aha.
1546670;1474503762;asciilifeform;terrible ocr
1546671;1474503775;mircea_popescu;well so get the item itself.
1546672;1474503804;asciilifeform;it is probably here in the house somewhere.
1546673;1474503955;mircea_popescu;anyway. the concept of "nothing to allcomers" logically extends to property on one hand ; the notion of holding property outside of a proper signature is utterly nonsensical on the other hand. however you look at things, a reversal of "progressive" innovation in legal matters is unavoidable.
1546674;1474503969;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1546675;1474504005;mircea_popescu;it's not just "the right to vote" that goes away upon review and limitation of the franchise. derps simply can't hold property, whether they be "the government of the united states" or "jane doe".
1546676;1474504019;asciilifeform;word 'hold' ~means~ something.
1546677;1474504060;asciilifeform;i.e. the buttons are connected.
1546678;1474504066;asciilifeform;loonybin napoleons hold 0 thrones.
1546679;1474504113;asciilifeform;and if joe can disconnect doe's buttons, they are joe's, not doe's.
1546680;1474504125;mircea_popescu;mno. conversion, such as through theft, or mere possession, give no title in either law or equity.
1546681;1474504132;mircea_popescu;the thief doesn't own what he "holds"
1546682;1474504144;asciilifeform;if you convert the army and navy - let someone disagree
1546683;1474504152;mircea_popescu;i disagree.
1546684;1474504226;asciilifeform;and sure, 'army and navy' is not a complete picture, it is possible to disagree a la hassan i sabbah, or mircea_popescu .
1546685;1474504442;asciilifeform;vaguely on subject - it is commonly supposed by n00bz that 'launch codes'-style absolute-yet-titleless property holding is a new, bitcoiny thing. but it is nothing of the kind, pirates did it.
1546686;1474504470;asciilifeform;plenty took 'brainwallet' to the gallows.
1546687;1474504485;mircea_popescu;in general title, and the concept of law, is an instrument of monarchy directed against the peerage.
1546688;1474504501;asciilifeform;aha.
1546689;1474504502;mircea_popescu;ie, "we don't need lords - here's robotic replacement our bureaucrats devised"
1546690;1474504509;asciilifeform;the idiot english celebrate what, remember
1546691;1474504511;asciilifeform;'magna carta'
1546692;1474504517;asciilifeform;which was precisely it
1546693;1474504533;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, a comprehensive counter-imperial offensive will include measures meaningful to it, in its own terms.
1546694;1474504559;mircea_popescu;de-titling of the kulaks, as it were. nobody may hold title to any property, nor be entitled to equitable redress of any claim, unless they are a person, as this is defined.
1546695;1474504605;asciilifeform;!#s no rights for wights
1546696;1474504605;a111;0 results for "no rights for wights", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=no%20rights%20for%20wights
1546697;1474504607;asciilifeform;hm.
1546698;1474504623;asciilifeform;it must've been on trilema.
1546699;1474504737;phf;hmm, that's an idea
1546700;1474504830;mircea_popescu;in short, to codify years of extand practice, the "how to participate in the affairs" actually has a lot of bite. one who isn't a citizen has no rights. his complaints have no standing, whatever their content ; and no redress is available.
1546701;1474504894;asciilifeform;if chair wants to be spoken for, it has to find a sitter and make him happy.
1546702;1474504904;asciilifeform;otherwise goes to where the other junk furniture goes.
1546703;1474505086;asciilifeform;unrelatedly,
1546704;1474505105;asciilifeform;does anyone know of a remaining maker of nic chipsets other than intel, broadcom, and realtek ?
1546705;1474505112;asciilifeform;(usb dongles not counting)
1546706;1474505130;mircea_popescu;there were some korean etc
1546707;1474505134;asciilifeform;who
1546708;1474505137;asciilifeform;names plox
1546709;1474505144;asciilifeform;and places where it can be had.
1546710;1474505147;mircea_popescu;a minute.
1546711;1474505148;asciilifeform;pci/pcie/minipci.
1546712;1474505164;phf;qualcomm?
1546713;1474505167;asciilifeform;gigabit only
1546714;1474505168;asciilifeform;plox
1546715;1474505188;asciilifeform;phf: afaik qualcomm doesn't make WIRED nics
1546716;1474505271;phf;i think are behind the "Killer" brand
1546717;1474505276;mircea_popescu;3com ; nvidia apparently makes them too ; something called marvell
1546718;1474505321;asciilifeform;marvell makes the pogo system-on-chip
1546719;1474505325;asciilifeform;afaik no standalones.
1546720;1474505344;asciilifeform;killed does not appear to feature on a standalone board either
1546721;1474505352;asciilifeform;though if anyone turns one up, please link.
1546722;1474505417;asciilifeform;same seems to be true of nvidia (only available in their southbridge ??)
1546723;1474505441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently most usb dongles use something called asix for a chipset
1546724;1474505451;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's a number of them
1546725;1474505458;asciilifeform;but they are ~worthless for serious use
1546726;1474505471;mircea_popescu;there's also adm8515 from "davicom" apparently still in production
1546727;1474505474;asciilifeform;(excruciating bottleneck)
1546728;1474505491;asciilifeform;again no usb plox, they are rubbish.
1546729;1474505507;mircea_popescu;myeah
1546730;1474505559;mircea_popescu;there's also a rosewill
1546731;1474505589;mircea_popescu;https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1000Mbps-Network-Adapter-RC-400-LX/dp/B004F3CO5M << 8 bux. prolly cheapest.
1546732;1474505614;asciilifeform;i dun think they make the chipset
1546733;1474505618;asciilifeform;gotta find out who does...
1546734;1474505654;mircea_popescu;most of these seem to buy bulk korean parts.
1546735;1474505690;asciilifeform;i meant, what is physically on the rosewill board.
1546736;1474505708;asciilifeform;they're a 'whitelabel'
1546737;1474505708;mircea_popescu;yeah. and i meant, "probably a realtek clone made in south korea".
1546738;1474505741;asciilifeform;possibly.
1546739;1474505840;asciilifeform;https://www.pericom.com
1546740;1474505842;asciilifeform;^ is who.
1546741;1474505890;asciilifeform;with realtek PHYs. e.g., http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166096
1546742;1474505893;asciilifeform;(see photo close-up)
1546743;1474505903;mircea_popescu;aha
1546744;1474505928;asciilifeform;or hah, no
1546745;1474505933;asciilifeform;pericom only makes the pci bridge in these
1546746;1474505939;asciilifeform;they use realtek lock stock and barrel.
1546747;1474505952;asciilifeform;this leaves me exactly where i was when i did this survey last year, and the year before, and...
1546748;1474505972;asciilifeform;there are 3 makers of gbE nics you can buy as cards (vs mobo southbridge integrated, or SOC a la pogo)
1546749;1474505978;asciilifeform;realtek, broadcom, intel.
1546750;1474506028;asciilifeform;the last 2 are wholly-owned usg thralls, while realtek is taiwanese and famous for, e.g., 'losing' signing certs later used in stuxnet, etc.
1546751;1474506059;mircea_popescu;"independents" all appear to be varying degrees of "serials filed off" ; mostly realtek's
1546752;1474506081;asciilifeform;dun look like they even bothered with 'filing off'
1546753;1474506100;asciilifeform;i've been trying and failing to locate an in-production gbE card with something other than these 3 on it, and failed.
1546754;1474506130;asciilifeform;(the other thing realtek is famous for is... having very peculiar definition of 'working chip', see e.g., https://archive.is/uvOwZ )
1546755;1474506211;asciilifeform;also wtf mircea_popescu , 3com's been dead for eons
1546756;1474506268;mircea_popescu;eh ?
1546757;1474506295;asciilifeform;it was bought by hp in, iirc, 2010.
1546758;1474506308;mircea_popescu;nah. iirc some apple schmuck transitioned to it.
1546759;1474506346;asciilifeform;!!google 3com
1546760;1474506347;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3Com << 3Com - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.hpe.com/us/en/networking.html << Networking - Enterprise Wired, Wireless & Data Center Solutions ... | http://www.l-3com.com/ << L-3 Communications |
1546761;1474506374;mircea_popescu;now i gotta read wikipedia ?
1546762;1474506381;asciilifeform;nfi where
1546763;1474506395;asciilifeform;http://www8.hp.com/us/en/hp-news/press-release.html?id=342187#.V-Mul2QrL5s
1546764;1474506410;asciilifeform;April 12, 2010 'PALO ALTO, Calif. -- HP today announced it has completed its acquisition of 3Com Corporation at a price of $7.90 per share in cash or an enterprise value of approximately $2.7 billion.'
1546765;1474506446;mircea_popescu;o hey check that out, they did close shop.
1546766;1474506465;asciilifeform;apparently there is a 4th co
1546767;1474506469;asciilifeform;'tehuti'
1546768;1474506473;mircea_popescu;still. you can buy 10/100 nics for 50 cents a pop.
1546769;1474506474;asciilifeform;which ~nobody ever heard of.
1546770;1474506487;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was specifically NOT asking after junkyard iron.
1546771;1474506492;asciilifeform;i know where to find it.
1546772;1474506505;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform alright. has its advantages.
1546773;1474506525;asciilifeform;has numerous advantages, and i run own humble household on it. but q was re moderns.
1546774;1474506559;asciilifeform;ah 'tehuti' is obscure because 10G.
1546775;1474506568;asciilifeform;luxury.
1546776;1474506849;asciilifeform;anyway, log readerz, if i missed anybody - please write in.
1546777;1474506995;asciilifeform;i will add, for completeness, that 'silicon labs' and 'texas instruments' offer gbE controllers, but only as chip - not, afaik, packaged on pci/pcie by anyone.
1546778;1474507026;asciilifeform;silicon labs is a ~fabless~ american co.
1546779;1474507052;asciilifeform;who makes its line physically - i do not know.
1546780;1474507053;phf;meaning they print in china?
1546781;1474507056;phf;ah
1546782;1474507069;asciilifeform;phf: almost certainly taiwan
1546783;1474507111;asciilifeform;'BroodMinder: Smart, Affordable Telemetry for Beekeeping' << lolk.
1546784;1474507363;asciilifeform;sooooo, three, three, three nicmusketeeers, all muppets of guess who.
1546785;1474507382;asciilifeform;sitting in ~every large server of whatever consequence.
1546786;1474507440;asciilifeform;all dma-enabled (because pc arch doesn't actually offer any other way to move Gb/sec)
1546787;1474507461;asciilifeform;this last detail i hope is not news to anyone.
1546788;1474507636;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: earlier i think you were thinking of 'pa semi'
1546789;1474507654;asciilifeform;who were another gBe maker, bought by crapple and annihilated in '08.
1546790;1474507664;asciilifeform;(fabless. i have nfi where their chip was physically made.)
1546791;1474507754;asciilifeform;situation re gbE nics is quite reminiscent of american consumer banks.
1546792;1474507764;asciilifeform;ask a street schmuck and he will say 'there are hundreds'
1546793;1474507777;asciilifeform;when actual number, not counting the fed, is 3.
1546794;1474507805;asciilifeform;and all 3 owned by His Reptilian Majesty.
1546795;1474507902;asciilifeform;ooooh found another corpse
1546796;1474507904;asciilifeform;'alteon'
1546797;1474507914;asciilifeform;made gBe. dead '09.
1546798;1474507932;asciilifeform;(bought by 3com !)
1546799;1474507944;asciilifeform;turns out they were rounded up just like the banks.
1546800;1474508047;*;asciilifeform if nobody figured it out, was going through /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/ethernet simply ... asking 'gbE? alive?' for each item therein.
1546801;1474508580;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546731 << that's a realtek, you can spot the crab logo with naked eye.
1546802;1474508580;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 00:53 mircea_popescu: https://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1000Mbps-Network-Adapter-RC-400-LX/dp/B004F3CO5M << 8 bux. prolly cheapest.
1546803;1474508780;asciilifeform;aaaaand on slightly related subj, whatever happened to https://archive.is/y2cFi ?
1546804;1474508806;asciilifeform;^ dude who found what was probably loose end of intel's implementation of 'magic usg packet'
1546805;1474508836;asciilifeform;reliably hard-wedged the nic, regardless of what os was running, or if any
1546806;1474508882;asciilifeform;http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-ethernet-controller-vulnerable-to-packet-of-death << etc
1546807;1474508892;asciilifeform;sorta popped up, and then quietly unhappened.
1546808;1474508965;asciilifeform;(elsewhere) 'The network card crashed whenever the value 0x32 or 0x33 was found at offset 0x47f. Kristian first noticed this happening for specific SIP packets, but in the end, it turned out that any packet with 0x32 at 0x47f caused the crash. Intel traced the problem to an EEPROM used in this specific card (82574L). There are some links in the comment to the blog suggesting that others have run into this problem before. For example,
1546809;1474508965;asciilifeform; the commend: "ping -p 32 -s 1110 x.x.x.x" can crash an affected card remotely.'
1546810;1474509018;asciilifeform;http://www.kriskinc.com/intel-pod << exact recipe.
1546811;1474509059;asciilifeform;http://blog.zorinaq.com/live-demonstration-of-intel-packet-of-death << also great. www-based 'death packet' sender.
1546812;1474509099;asciilifeform;(come to think of it, mircea_popescu , what nic was in the original dulap..?)
1546813;1474509291;asciilifeform;https://communities.intel.com/community/wired/blog/2013/02/07/intel-82574l-gigabit-ethernet-controller-statement ( https://archive.is/hdPrn ) << intel's official response. pure gold.
1546814;1474509306;asciilifeform;'It is Intel’s belief that this is an implementation issue isolated to a specific manufacturer, not a design problem with the Intel 82574L Gigabit Ethernet controller.  Intel has not observed this issue with any implementations which follow Intel’s published design guidelines.  Intel recommends contacting your motherboard manufacturer ...'
1546815;1474518142;mircea_popescu;i have nfi
1546816;1474520113;ben_vulpes;jeebus
1546817;1474520143;BingoBoingo;lol GNOME GuPNP is a thing
1546818;1474523361;ben_vulpes;> elegant, object-oriented open source framework
1546819;1474523377;ben_vulpes;> written in C using GObject and libsoup
1546820;1474523403;ben_vulpes;but what about GnuKitchenSink?!!?1
1546821;1474525271;BingoBoingo;Requires JackBoot firmware to load
1546822;1474525333;ben_vulpes;ZhaneBoot you cishetshitlord
1546823;1474526136;*;BingoBoingo would settle for WorkBoot
1546824;1474528112;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/libertarian-new-hampshire-forces-altcoin-exchange-out/ << Qntra - "Libertarian" New Hampshire Forces Altcoin Exchange Out
1546825;1474528303;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform, phf: i'm giving up on variable length binary-types for now. my personal pons asinorum for this library is the task of defining either a type or a class whose value could be either u8, u16, u32 or u64, plus the headaches of entirely arbitrary-length scripts.
1546826;1474528314;ben_vulpes;worked swimmingly for the headers, though!
1546827;1474528472;*;BingoBoingo still suggests move to Baudot encoding
1546828;1474543161;Framedragger;https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160922.txt
1546829;1474546769;mircea_popescu;incidentally Framedragger , how about a survey of response to intel's magic byte ?
1546830;1474546828;mircea_popescu;you have a reasonably fresh list of respondent boxes, feed them 0x32 at offset 0x47f then poll in 5 and 500 seconds see if they're up.
1546831;1474546849;mircea_popescu;one of those "not going to find anything" things that experience shows would make a fine first article on your putative blog.
1546832;1474547050;Framedragger;oh! "catching up on logs" is an important thing indeed. you mean http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#139 - wowza.
1546833;1474547051;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [01:48:02] <asciilifeform> http://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-ethernet-controller-vulnerable-to-packet-of-death << etc
1546834;1474547101;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: absolutely - will do! though, those 22mil boxes have ssh running on them; there's prob a semi-quick way to get a broader "is it generally online" list, too. but, gotta start somewhere
1546835;1474547135;Framedragger;i'll prolly do this and make use of vc's cockbox. his /dev/null attitude to abuuuuze complaints is appreciated.
1546836;1474547244;Framedragger;hmm, gotta script this carefully. prolly not gonna be today. but will try and do this.
1546837;1474547257;mircea_popescu;what's the rush you know.
1546838;1474547260;Framedragger;(i mean, polling and re-polling later to check status etc)
1546839;1474547273;Framedragger;probably coffee in my mind
1546840;1474547294;mircea_popescu;by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now.
1546841;1474547294;Framedragger;actually, half the time you're probably speaking to an overcaffeinated framedragger
1546842;1474547307;Framedragger;yeah for a sec i thought this was new. but totally should be done
1546843;1474547313;mircea_popescu;the deep point here being that this is a fundamental property of usgian "ghidusii" : the long tail of straggling losers.
1546844;1474547362;Framedragger;would be great to have a nosuchlabs observatory lab, with results exposed over sql or w/e, as discussed
1546845;1474547380;Framedragger;but i guess that's what's effectively happening anyway :)
1546846;1474547436;Framedragger;eventually metasploit the whole damn /0, etc
1546847;1474547446;mircea_popescu;heh
1546848;1474547607;Framedragger;btw regarding "there is no sane NIC out there" problem and appreciating the fact that designing a whole proper NIC may not be an efficient effort ("ip stack should be eventually abandoned", lots of work, economies of scale at work in semiconductor production, whatnot), i wonder why asciilifeform hasn't considered investing time not in seeking a sane nic, but rather designing / using a sane transport protocol via *radio* (i don't mean shi
1546849;1474547625;Framedragger;tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
1546850;1474547673;Framedragger;(i'm sure it's easier told than done)
1546851;1474547780;mircea_popescu;in principle we could have a tmsr radio station. even makes for excellent call sign, TMSR.
1546852;1474547791;mircea_popescu;however, costs money to operate hardware. what's the rush.
1546853;1474547941;Framedragger;it'd be so much fun and would be super educational!
1546854;1474547966;Framedragger;i mean ideally, it'd be a p2p radio station network. antenna + dongle + stuff can be real cheap.
1546855;1474547993;mircea_popescu;was mentioned now and again in logs, yes.
1546856;1474547993;Framedragger;shortwaves bounce around the ionosphere and all that
1546857;1474548008;mircea_popescu;it is on the list, but first gotta have better geographic density of republican lords.
1546858;1474548030;mircea_popescu;not that you can't just go ahead and proof it, if you want to.
1546859;1474548054;Framedragger;that's the thing, i wonder if a few points around the globe wouldn't be enough, in principle!
1546860;1474548055;Framedragger;yeah.
1546861;1474548063;Framedragger;that's the way it works, i guess. talk is easy
1546862;1474548125;asciilifeform;radio has its place.
1546863;1474548151;asciilifeform;but ~long-range~ radio has very limited place.
1546864;1474548152;mircea_popescu;in short : it wouldn't be wasted work, we'll certainly use it later ; it's not yet scheduled, but the scheduler isn't blocking in this sense.
1546865;1474548169;asciilifeform;a megawatt shortwave station is a castle.
1546866;1474548209;asciilifeform;needs to go with cannon, anti-aircraft battery, etc.
1546867;1474548212;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends how much it costs. in any case, there's a relationship between required-density and square-of-radius.
1546868;1474548214;mircea_popescu;so radius is good.
1546869;1474548216;Framedragger;but all those radio amateurs happily listening to each other's callsigns around the globe - they don't have powerful stations do they?
1546870;1474548228;asciilifeform;Framedragger: they're capons
1546871;1474548236;mircea_popescu;Framedragger not really data links, either
1546872;1474548252;asciilifeform;(i.e. usg-compliant)
1546873;1474548263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not that often.
1546874;1474548273;mircea_popescu;still, a 10kbps link dun help anyone much does it.
1546875;1474548275;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 0 crypto
1546876;1474548287;mircea_popescu;because lazy and stupid, not because subservient.
1546877;1474548287;Framedragger;asciilifeform: no disagreement, hence the tone (happily masturbating each other, they are). point was, they're able to listen to each other rather easily
1546878;1474548301;mircea_popescu;in any case : 1 mb blocks, 10 minute blocks, you therefore must have no less than
1546879;1474548322;mircea_popescu;!~calc 1 * 2 ** 20 / 10 / 60 * 2
1546880;1474548325;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: 1 * 2 ** 20 / 10 / 60 * 2 = 3495.2533333333336
1546881;1474548331;Framedragger;10kbps, imho, would be *fine* for the beginning. enough for lighthoused PoC if there were to appear one later, enough to sync state, exchange keys, etc.
1546882;1474548333;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not at all lazy, here in usa they do ~100% of the spectrum policing
1546883;1474548342;mircea_popescu;3.5kBps is the absolute minimum. about 30kbps
1546884;1474548360;asciilifeform;transmit something they can't decode, and they carefully guide the gasenwagen right to your house
1546885;1474548362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ~nobody gives a shit about "there in usa". move.
1546886;1474548367;Framedragger;(i know that ideal lighthoused would have much higher throughput.)
1546887;1474548394;Framedragger;yeah i wouldn't transmit encrypted shortwaves from usa, that indeed sounds like doom
1546888;1474548395;mircea_popescu;Framedragger sure ; even noncompliant channels may have their uses. but still, in general you want to aim for a 30 kbps minimum.
1546889;1474548405;Framedragger;sure.
1546890;1474548445;asciilifeform;ahahahaha yaaah i'ma not only move (~$m+) but build megawatt radio on me new magic island ($10m+) suure.
1546891;1474548450;Framedragger;i mean personally, to be able to exchange pgp-signed sha512 hashes would make me super happy already - maybe premature ejaculation, yes, but it'd be a *useful facility*.
1546892;1474548460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, this suggests an extremely cheap way to fuck with the empire. produce mini board that outputs salt-hashed counter nonce, rsa and emit it.
1546893;1474548479;mircea_popescu;power the thing off battery, dump a bunch around people's houses.
1546894;1474548479;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the board is trivial
1546895;1474548504;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it counts for 0, they only care about international tx
1546896;1474548507;mircea_popescu;let them "guide the gasenwagen" at $100k to $20mn per guidance, untill they fall over.
1546897;1474548514;asciilifeform;as in 100kW+
1546898;1474548518;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. they don't care ; it's you that have mental issues.
1546899;1474548529;Framedragger;(drone delivery to fbi building, etc)
1546900;1474548561;asciilifeform;what can i say, go and put a 100kW pirate in usa, i'll watch
1546901;1474548566;PeterL;did we already do thread "transmit from drone flying overhead"?
1546902;1474548568;mircea_popescu;by now it should be pretty self-evident, to you too. the moment one of these preconceived things gets out the mouth and then starts shapeshifting for dear life in conversation, you got an example.
1546903;1474548578;mircea_popescu;PeterL yes, comes up reliably.
1546904;1474548587;asciilifeform;PeterL: 100kW drone?
1546905;1474548594;asciilifeform;with what, own reactor?
1546906;1474548607;Framedragger;i still don't understand why the hell you need them 100kW
1546907;1474548612;PeterL;drone carrying nuclear reactor ... pretty cool sci-fi
1546908;1474548617;mircea_popescu;are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ?
1546909;1474548625;PeterL;why must be 100kW?
1546910;1474548636;Framedragger;you don't need to cover the whole damn globe (ionosphere bounces notwithstanding). it's just a *node*
1546911;1474548639;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you did say http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546849
1546912;1474548639;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 12:33 Framedragger: tty wifi dongles, but rather long distance shortwaves, etc.)
1546913;1474548650;mircea_popescu;desperately needs it to be 100k because protecting some other unexamined notions this way!
1546914;1474548656;Framedragger;"rather long distance" does not imply 100 kW afaik?
1546915;1474548672;asciilifeform;hey short-range pirates are where it's at, because they make actual sense
1546916;1474548688;asciilifeform;cheap, costs enemy more to kill than for us to make
1546917;1474548693;Framedragger;(consider a true radio relay, by which i mean a relay which sends, receives, and *passes on* messages received from one end to the other)
1546918;1474548702;mircea_popescu;something like that. except for the exact definition of short.
1546919;1474548711;asciilifeform;Framedragger: we had a long thread
1546920;1474548716;*;mircea_popescu has personally seen 10W station owner with postcards from fucking australia
1546921;1474548725;asciilifeform;i even handed out chip samples at c3 recall
1546922;1474548757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ionospheric lottery
1546923;1474548783;*;asciilifeform actually listens to shortwave, it is a very mixed bag 
1546924;1474548783;mircea_popescu;yes, but lottery works for you when you got a lot of them.
1546925;1474548792;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: and those will of course not have much bandwidth capacity. but i maintain that to usefully PoC the thing, you don't need much at all. jeebus, having a radio-based key server would be amazing already
1546926;1474548809;mircea_popescu;ie, if you have 10k 10w stations rather than 100kw one, you will, if sanely handling errors, get a better channel from cluj to melbourne.
1546927;1474548814;mircea_popescu;and very likely > 30kbps.
1546928;1474548828;Framedragger;for seriously.
1546929;1474548831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on odd full moons.
1546930;1474548836;mircea_popescu;Framedragger this whole convo keeps popping up ; nobody's seriously against it.
1546931;1474548847;asciilifeform;and until usg jam.
1546932;1474548851;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, because geodispersed. most of the time, sqrt n etc
1546933;1474548857;mircea_popescu;this is not jamable.
1546934;1474548866;Framedragger;*sigh* i'll look up dongle prices :D
1546935;1474548879;asciilifeform;individual stations are -- recall 'voice of america'
1546936;1474548888;mircea_popescu;there are no individual stations.
1546937;1474548898;mircea_popescu;and i do recall it ; which proves that they aren't eh ?
1546938;1474548984;asciilifeform;at any rate, pretty much 100% of asciilifeform's work re gossipd, incl. prior to mircea_popescu's publication, was so that eventually radio.
1546939;1474549041;asciilifeform;it is why i threw out all handshakes and other items that presume synchronous 2way, fast, and roughly symmetric link.
1546940;1474549048;Framedragger;asciilifeform: so that's the thing, maybe prototyping gossipd designs over usual packet-switched internet is not even worth it?
1546941;1474549059;mircea_popescu;ah also : re "encryption" : we CAN use the eliza involved in gossipd spec (anyone actually did this or just some quick napkin work and then forgot about ?) to eliza the actual emissions.
1546942;1474549064;Framedragger;which is, if i may say so, smart indeed
1546943;1474549079;mircea_popescu;markov chains can be used for the purpose of symmetrically "encrypting" ; make every byte a different word, it will be "plaintext"
1546944;1474549091;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pass me a turing test and wake me up
1546945;1474549096;mircea_popescu;as a sort of steganography. who the hell is going to prove that radio chatter is "not really what it seems"
1546946;1474549115;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it is worth it.
1546947;1474549176;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: stego is easily a 100x drop in channel capacity.
1546948;1474549176;PeterL;mircea_popescu at one point I demonstrated a script to do that, asciilifeform scoffed at it as useless
1546949;1474549210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your posited 30kps turns to 0.3
1546950;1474549259;mircea_popescu;PeterL did i see this ?
1546951;1474549265;asciilifeform;PeterL: if i can tell that stego is in use, it ain't stego, definitionally
1546952;1474549275;mircea_popescu;and the alf "useless" signal can be safely ignored. he's decided to shit in own mouth, what can you do.
1546953;1474549283;asciilifeform;( unless i'm the intended receiver )
1546954;1474549344;asciilifeform;i never say 'useless' unless i can break something in O(1)
1546955;1474549370;mircea_popescu;you say useless all the time for absolutely no reason ; and had a year's + worth of warning. too late to appeal this.
1546956;1474549391;mircea_popescu;do not say it anymore ; or do. for all the difference it makes, you can pick either.
1546957;1474549422;asciilifeform;you can have it broken prior to investing time of yourself and others in it, or after.
1546958;1474549425;asciilifeform;pick.
1546959;1474549429;mircea_popescu;i've picked.
1546960;1474549598;asciilifeform;at any rate if mircea_popescu wants to build sw lighthouse on his dirigible, it'd be quite spiffy, not only do i not have any argument against it, but consider it the right and properly inevitable thing.
1546961;1474549700;asciilifeform;but it remains true that 'eliza stego' is dumb, unless you are masquerading among spam
1546962;1474549732;asciilifeform;it's rather like camo on tank, the scenery matters
1546963;1474549760;asciilifeform;would mircea_popescu paint forest camo on his city t34?
1546964;1474549844;asciilifeform;also if yer gonna do this, do it right - massive net of physically dispersed transmitters, instead of multi-kw hogs
1546965;1474549909;asciilifeform;(at one time al schwartz and i modelled a scheme with ordinary champaigne bottles floating in ocean. it can work)
1546966;1474549973;asciilifeform;can last much longer than balloon (the other obvious choice) at the cost of distance covered
1546967;1474549997;asciilifeform;(balloon is bested only by satellite)
1546968;1474550010;Framedragger;i'd risk getting a visit from the spooks here, honestly been interested in viability of low bitrate (plain-encrypted, in my mind) radio exchange for a whole.
1546969;1474550020;Framedragger;while*
1546970;1474550072;asciilifeform;Framedragger: no1 rule of pirate radio is for your arse to be nowhere near the transmitter.
1546971;1474550082;asciilifeform;nor easily linkable with it.
1546972;1474550162;Framedragger;myeah, i know. but i also think it's only a matter of degree of effort: if i'm not important enough in their eyes, i'll be fine. if on the other hand i am, then they'll find a way to link me to station and will pay a visit. a.k.a. binary "are you important?" security model.
1546973;1474550166;asciilifeform;(alternatively for you to be fidel castro and 'go ahead and take my radio motherfuckers', which is what i originally thought this thread was to be about)
1546974;1474550167;Framedragger;may be a tad bit too nihilistic, sure
1546975;1474550224;asciilifeform;Framedragger: pirates who don't use any crypto at all tend to have problems just the same, for 'tresspassing' on whatever sovereign's 'owned' spectrum.
1546976;1474550265;Framedragger;yeah.
1546977;1474550297;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-14#1342601 << thread starts here
1546978;1474550297;a111;Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
1546979;1474550314;asciilifeform;historically successful ('not caught for years') radio pirates normally used either unattended devices, or fast, mobile stations on boats
1546980;1474550339;Framedragger;http://btcscoop.com/steg/ for sale, great. i love the web
1546981;1474550379;PeterL;oh, yeah, I think it just lapsed
1546982;1474550405;asciilifeform;PeterL: consider reposting
1546983;1474550513;mircea_popescu;that's the problem here - ideas are exciting, but for lack of practice western man has all but lost any knowledge of the actual excitement of actually doing things.
1546984;1474550536;*;asciilifeform believe or not, experiments 
1546985;1474550542;mircea_popescu;the curse of this language space is that pretty much everything degrades by degrees into this wordy masturbation where people get excited over ideas then agree they can't be done then move on to the next.
1546986;1474550564;asciilifeform;i'll share a tidbit - the place to be is the vast expanse of locally-quiet spectrum.
1546987;1474550604;asciilifeform;(and when it stops being quiet, silently and immediately move, with a pre-agreed scheme)
1546988;1474550642;Framedragger;asciilifeform: silently and immediately because folks will notice if not, and you'll become a point of interst?
1546989;1474550646;asciilifeform;nono
1546990;1474550673;asciilifeform;so that you aren't stuck having to talk about it over the degrading channel
1546991;1474550691;asciilifeform;and it has to be automatic.
1546992;1474550731;asciilifeform;imagine living in obama's closet when he isn't looking. you can actually do that in radio...
1546993;1474550741;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: the sad part is that by "battling out" ideas in this wordspace, one gets a bit of serotonin rush, to feel *as if* they have actually done something material. i know i get this, at least. evolutionary side-effect, this whole "curiosity -> completion" gap used to be much larger, not it short-circuits easily. it sucks, need to make conscious effort to resist sinking into nihilistic bliss, i think. </rant>
1546994;1474550748;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, right!
1546995;1474550757;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1546996;1474550757;asciilifeform;Framedragger: mircea_popescu has a point, it is a sin
1546997;1474550763;asciilifeform;like gluttony
1546998;1474550773;mircea_popescu;very much a sin ; now go forth and sin no more.
1546999;1474550781;Framedragger;s/not it/now it/
1547000;1474550813;asciilifeform;!#s esp8266
1547001;1474550813;a111;28 results for "esp8266", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esp8266
1547002;1474550824;mircea_popescu;the only sane way to look at it is over BingoBoingo 's mayo-enabler pair.
1547003;1474550828;asciilifeform;Framedragger ^ possibly of interest
1547004;1474550840;mircea_popescu;the fundamental point of reddit & co, and the main reason to avoid them, is that they format people into this specific mode,
1547005;1474550848;mircea_popescu;where they take turns to play the obese and the enabler for each other.
1547006;1474550866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik the concept was first described by dan mocsny
1547007;1474550873;mircea_popescu;it's very much a destructive psychiatric condition ; harmful for self, harmful for others. smoke and don't do this, rather than don't smoke and do it.
1547008;1474550878;mircea_popescu;quite possibly.
1547009;1474550942;Framedragger;asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266 - nifty! but this is wifi, i.e. ghz ranges no?
1547010;1474550967;asciilifeform;Framedragger: quite respectable city ranges, 300+ metres
1547011;1474550973;Framedragger;niice.
1547012;1474551017;mircea_popescu;ballas' celebrated "so you feel strongly about something, strong enough to not do anything" is just as much a statement. there's no lack of observation, it's just that piggy likes his truffle.
1547013;1474551035;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the mega-feature was the all-in-one micro (just needs current source, a few milliamp) and unspeakable cheapness
1547014;1474551040;asciilifeform;(chinese)
1547015;1474551168;Framedragger;mmm. i2c interface, etc. yeah. this is a very neat useful thing.
1547016;1474551188;asciilifeform;Framedragger: notice, you don't even need the external i/o pins
1547017;1474551199;asciilifeform;thing is a respectable micro comp on its own
1547018;1474551209;Framedragger;may as well put a power source on it, even a solar cell, and leave in coffee shop for anon wifi, heh.
1547019;1474551212;asciilifeform;can relay, even perform basic crypto, in principle
1547020;1474551213;Framedragger;yeah!
1547021;1474551223;Framedragger;right, right. hm that's pretty great
1547022;1474551228;asciilifeform;i have a crate of'em, waiting
1547023;1474551277;asciilifeform;Framedragger: at one time i suggested thermovoltaic device to mircea_popescu , he wrote entire article
1547024;1474551300;asciilifeform;!#s parasitic relay
1547025;1474551300;a111;5 results for "parasitic relay", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=parasitic%20relay
1547026;1474551418;asciilifeform;anyway sloth is a sin, motherfuckers. the 2 (3?) dudes i gave esp8266 boards to at c3, have they powered'em up?
1547027;1474551443;asciilifeform;it just wants 3v.
1547028;1474551459;asciilifeform;program with, e.g., 'buspirate'
1547029;1474551831;Framedragger;need to minimize energy expenditure at $job. "go home tired" sort of case, it's sad. i'd like to, e.g., among other matters (incl mkj log etc of course), write a very initial very to-be-criticized gossipd for udp/ip, using (kill me now) python twisted. i guess many live like this, savouring free time, with personal projects falling behind. [i rant today, because exhaustion + coffee infusion => wee bit psychedelic]
1547030;1474551852;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546840 << 3 fwiw
1547031;1474551852;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 12:28 mircea_popescu: by now it's a 5 year old thing, if they were gonna do something about it they've had done by now.
1547032;1474551905;asciilifeform;Framedragger: at this point i think everyone here has an unpublished prototype.
1547033;1474551972;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1546830 << this'd be incredibly spiffy
1547034;1474551972;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 12:20 mircea_popescu: you have a reasonably fresh list of respondent boxes, feed them 0x32 at offset 0x47f then poll in 5 and 500 seconds see if they're up.
1547035;1474552030;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: another experiment, in similar vein, is fuzzing (yes) nics right on a desk
1547036;1474552053;asciilifeform;feed the thing validly checksummed but otherwise from rng packets, at line rate
1547037;1474552067;asciilifeform;eventually might strike gold.
1547038;1474552183;mircea_popescu;word ; i was thinking of proposing exactly this but then i got distracted.
1547039;1474552205;mircea_popescu;the companion to Framedragger 's exploration to be done at home is evidently - there's only 3 chips, right ? get a realtek, an intel and a broad and fuzz them
1547040;1474552209;thestringpuller;"The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
1547041;1474552243;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's ~dozen subspecies of each, but yes
1547042;1474552247;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller ideally you want to do it all in ram and dump to disk 2gb at a time
1547043;1474552318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tru, but dollars to donuts they didn't change the magic for each chip.
1547044;1474552343;asciilifeform;the intel find (and if you buy the 'bug' excuse, i've a bridge to sellya) was a clue that the bastards never bothered with serious crypto magic for the boobytrap
1547045;1474552376;mircea_popescu;either because lazydumb or because afraid someone might microscope/probe the things and find it.
1547046;1474552408;asciilifeform;the OTHER thing to do, on top of these earlier 2, is to collect martian packets.
1547047;1474552435;asciilifeform;if it lands in your house and your machinery has nfi what it was for - save it...
1547048;1474552443;mircea_popescu;somewhat less conclusive, but more expensive. still, it may turn out very interesting
1547049;1474552480;asciilifeform;it is the least 'sexy' method but betcha it is where the corpse is buried.
1547050;1474552502;asciilifeform;and you'll find 10,001 species of strange.
1547051;1474552515;asciilifeform;!!up andr1976
1547052;1474552516;deedbot;andr1976 voiced for 30 minutes.
1547053;1474552570;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: microscope is of course the 4th method. ought to be included for completeness .
1547054;1474552610;asciilifeform;and if anyone knows of a 5th, i'm all ears.
1547055;1474552651;asciilifeform;(perhaps 5th is to steal the crown jewels from the culprit himself)
1547056;1474553511;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q3/592 << picture if you went into a restaurant and waiter tells you that the chair-dildo system is broken
1547057;1474553658;Framedragger;lol. bug in uefi, me heart is truly broken
1547058;1474554662;PeterL;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jfzos/?raw=true << saving for posterity. I archived back about a year, if anybody wants to archive farther back than that they can use this.
1547059;1474554671;asciilifeform;PeterL: neato
1547060;1474554682;asciilifeform;sooooooo mircea_popescu , Framedragger , et al, while we're on 'pirate radio' thread, i'd like to put a few useful items in the record:
1547061;1474554698;asciilifeform;1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
1547062;1474554702;asciilifeform;it just needs an amp.
1547063;1474554706;asciilifeform;(and antenna)
1547064;1474554738;shinohai;YAgi's are cheap and easy to make would that work ?
1547065;1474554754;asciilifeform;shinohai: the amp is the tricky bit. and the dirigible.
1547066;1474554764;shinohai;yeah :/
1547067;1474554822;asciilifeform;2) consider a device of the following scheme. receives luby-coded packets via radio; if packet checksums AND has one of N lordly signatures, it is relayed (transmitted to neighbouring nodes.) otherwise, not.
1547068;1474554845;asciilifeform;this can vary significantly, it is not necessary for ALL nodes globally to use same freq., only for neighbours to somehow agree;
1547069;1474554873;asciilifeform;and likewise the power of the station can vary depending on who the operator is ( if mircea_popescu , megawatt, if asciilifeform living in amphora on the streets of athens, a watt, etc)
1547070;1474554906;asciilifeform;every key gets a timeslot, such that one defeated lord does not result in a perma-ddosed net.
1547071;1474554926;Framedragger;nice reference to diogenes asciilifeform
1547072;1474554979;Framedragger;nice. what of DoS via replay, asciilifeform ? or should this get ignored? i.e. enemy just floods with identical packets (so both checksum and sig ok), and those get redistributed
1547073;1474554981;asciilifeform;this is not, note, a 'gossipd' net per se, but potentially component in one.
1547074;1474555004;asciilifeform;Framedragger: see my lighthouse scheme for the pill against replay ddos.
1547075;1474555028;*;asciilifeform brb
1547076;1474555038;Framedragger;indeed, indeed. and yet incorporating a lighthouse lifts the scheme from pure elegance to additional complexity. but maybe that's not to be avoided, and such is life
1547077;1474555564;asciilifeform;Framedragger: aaaaaaaactually there is a very elegant solution to replay when you have radio net like this
1547078;1474555604;asciilifeform;you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer.
1547079;1474555663;asciilifeform;this'd have a cost, however, of limiting the number of 'hops' that the thing can propagate along.
1547080;1474555677;asciilifeform;(if what i said does not make sense, draw it on napkin)
1547081;1474555695;Framedragger;asciilifeform: buffer is a rolling window (or how do you call it), i.e. last N messages? hmm
1547082;1474555699;asciilifeform;correct.
1547083;1474555708;asciilifeform;gives 'expiration' without invoking notions of political time etc.
1547084;1474555709;Framedragger;hm sounds nice
1547085;1474555753;asciilifeform;so you don't actually need any elaborate moving parts, lighthouses, etc
1547086;1474555757;asciilifeform;just scheme as-described.
1547087;1474555787;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i wonder, could this not be predicted by the enemy? (value of nonce - say the enemy is aware of the (likely) packets received by the receiving end.) i'm not sure, just trying out all possibilities in the head, because otherwise sounds nice
1547088;1474555819;asciilifeform;Framedragger: enemy can predict all he likes, but unless he has your private key it does him no good
1547089;1474555825;asciilifeform;he cannot sign the payload-cum-nonce.
1547090;1474555839;asciilifeform;the only thing he can replay is a VALID packet, while it is valid! which helps you.
1547091;1474555862;shinohai;!!up burnsd03
1547092;1474555862;deedbot;burnsd03 voiced for 30 minutes.
1547093;1474555883;burnsd03;?
1547094;1474555905;shinohai;burnsd03: this is the chan where you register your key
1547095;1474555933;burnsd03;thanks
1547096;1474555986;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, right, i forgot everything's signed, lol. nice! i guess enemy could replay for a (choosably) small window of time, some degree of flooding possible? but this could be minimized and that's the point, right?
1547097;1474555999;asciilifeform;Framedragger: again, what'll he flood with ?
1547098;1474556025;Framedragger;same exact packet - he would assume the nonce in packet refers to a packet that is still in the receiver's buffer
1547099;1474556054;Framedragger;maybe i'm not getting the picture how quickly entries in the buffer can expire, though
1547100;1474556057;asciilifeform;the one thing he could do is to stretch out a packet's life, by setting up own relay net
1547101;1474556081;asciilifeform;one obvious pill against this is to flush buffers periodically.
1547102;1474556095;asciilifeform;(atmospheric noise is likely to result in this naturally, but can be made explicit.)
1547103;1474556119;asciilifeform;anyway the obvious hole in my scheme is the base case of the induction
1547104;1474556132;asciilifeform;i.e. how to transmit the first packet.
1547105;1474556142;burnsd03;!!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
1547106;1474556143;deedbot;Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
1547107;1474556152;asciilifeform;as soon as anybody ( mircea_popescu ? ) figures this piece out, folks can go, build.
1547108;1474556430;burnsd03;!!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
1547109;1474556430;burnsd03;!!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
1547110;1474556430;burnsd03;!!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
1547111;1474556431;deedbot;Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
1547112;1474556432;deedbot;Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
1547113;1474556433;deedbot;Import failed for E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7.
1547114;1474556543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
1547115;1474556555;asciilifeform;'Anyway, I was quite surprised to find a "low cost" version of this kind of ICE over at: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1667. Well, I'd like to thank to whoever posted a comment about this ICE in my previous post. It's very interesting nonetheless ;-).'
1547116;1474556586;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent
1547117;1474556670;asciilifeform;(even if the ~title~ is terrifyingly cringe-inducing)
1547118;1474556687;Framedragger;asciilifeform: you mean an initial packet after a period of silence? hm yeah; one way would be to have a scheme in place which i think you may have suggested anyway: to have stations constantly stream packets at some rate, 24/7.
1547119;1474556718;asciilifeform;Framedragger: thing needs work.
1547120;1474556740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and i am floored to discover that the man who wrote ~the~ book on subj of bios internals, never had an ICE.
1547121;1474556779;asciilifeform;(the comparison with deaf beethoven invites itself)
1547122;1474557010;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547078 << when message is recieved using nonce, remove nonce from buffer, then that message cannot be replayed because nonce no longer in buffer
1547123;1474557010;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 14:46 asciilifeform: you have a nonce in the packet, and the packet only registers as valid when said nonce is equal to hash of some packet that is in the receiver's current buffer.
1547124;1474557053;PeterL;not sure if that makes sense with what asciilifeform was talking about?
1547125;1474557074;asciilifeform;PeterL: it would if the scheme allowed for any way to send the first packet...
1547126;1474557169;asciilifeform;this is what i get for following the advice to 'post things instead of sitting on'em' - sometimes it will be an escherian house.
1547127;1474557184;asciilifeform;i do not know how to make the house stand up. if you do - post.
1547128;1474557236;shinohai;!!up burnsd03
1547129;1474557236;deedbot;burnsd03 voiced for 30 minutes.
1547130;1474557282;burnsd03;mircea_popescu could you please make me an account? Just following the quick-start guide :)
1547131;1474557334;burnsd03;!!register E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7
1547132;1474557338;deedbot;E968199C0F1D12E52B9BDB1C8456B3450E01C0F7 registered as burnsd03.
1547133;1474557344;burnsd03;great :)
1547134;1474557586;PeterL;hi burnsd03, who are you? name makes me think of burnside, wasn't that the btctc guy?
1547135;1474557611;shinohai;Exactly who I thought of PeterL lol
1547136;1474557633;burnsd03;nope lol :P
1547137;1474557644;burnsd03;never heard of burnside?
1547138;1474557688;shinohai;Let's hope not, unless you like scams too.
1547139;1474557755;burnsd03;nope, i stay clear of hyips etc
1547140;1474557777;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque i found another debuggable amd board, http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48155
1547141;1474557778;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1547142;1474557788;Framedragger;PeterL: ah, good point. and regarding first packet, i wonder if some very light lighthouse version would make sense, a pre-shared sequence of whitelisted nonces between two given nodes, whatnot. in the beginning, interchangeable over internet. and later, updateable over same radio channel ("here's my payload, and also please add to your whitenoncelist this encrypted sequence of nonces for future channel initiations.")
1547143;1474557816;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you can't have a network of cheapo relays with seekrits in'em
1547144;1474557821;asciilifeform;enemy finds ONE, you're done.
1547145;1474557851;asciilifeform;whole ~point~ of 'relay signed strings' is that you can start releasing balloons, etc.
1547146;1474557853;shinohai;neat asciilifeform ... I haven't sourced one of the others yet :/
1547147;1474557870;asciilifeform;shinohai: the amd thing is for aficionados strictly
1547148;1474557952;asciilifeform;!~later tell trinque http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48194 <<< aaand another
1547149;1474557952;jhvh1;asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
1547150;1474558028;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, so 'private key' is purely 'station key' - i guess like in latest gossipd discussion
1547151;1474558042;Framedragger;which yeah makes sense
1547152;1474558046;asciilifeform;Framedragger: private key is in the thing lords use to inject packets into the relay net.
1547153;1474558059;asciilifeform;remember that the hypothetical scheme is not gossipd.
1547154;1474558139;asciilifeform;the 'signed-packet-relay' concept's entire appeal is that it is more or less jam-proof, and the nodes - disposable
1547155;1474558165;Framedragger;right.
1547156;1474558171;asciilifeform;as for what its use is - could be, e.g., gossip lighthouse, or btc tx relay, or something else. uses are to be conceived of later.
1547157;1474558237;PeterL;could relay messages from one gossipd node to another
1547158;1474558283;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
1547159;1474558321;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the point, which i tried and apparently failed to make earlier, is that gigantic radio stations are a largely-unnecessary luxury
1547160;1474558352;asciilifeform;yes, it is nice to have 100kW sw that can be reliably heard across the atlantic. but you don't need it to cross land, it is much better to have 1,001 small and disposable unattended boxes.
1547161;1474558376;asciilifeform;if you have enough of'em scattered, their removal becomes uneconomical even for hitler
1547162;1474558724;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: this isn't any old d00d, either, his b00k is excellent << Hence why very newsworthy. Raises your esteem and that of republic. Harder for a certain sort to ignore than Phuctor.
1547163;1474558829;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: eh, whole field is ~dozen people, max.
1547164;1474558865;asciilifeform;and the device is, afaik, ~extinct.
1547165;1474558879;asciilifeform;( i'd dearly love to be proven wrong about this )
1547166;1474558962;BingoBoingo;Maybe only a dozen people in actual field, but people likely worth having the esteem of.
1547167;1474559007;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it is presently comparable to astronomy at a time when telescope existed but only 'weirdos' had heard of it.
1547168;1474559064;BingoBoingo;Right, but the weidos were actually doing something. For that actual field of a dozen there's prolly a fandom of hundreds to thousands because less capable weirdos.
1547169;1474559096;asciilifeform;now this i have nfi about, measuring 'fandoms' is 'above my paygrade.'
1547170;1474559181;BingoBoingo;nfi about fandom's value here either, but the people doing things worth esteeming with. Attraction rather than promotion as PR strategy.
1547171;1474559319;shinohai;Need moar groupies.
1547172;1474559563;asciilifeform;for what?
1547173;1474559607;trinque;asciilifeform: my gizmo 1 gets here tomorrow.
1547174;1474559616;asciilifeform;neato
1547175;1474559616;shinohai;To fawn over you incessantly of course asciilifeform
1547176;1474559628;asciilifeform;trinque: let us know if it comes with the probe.
1547177;1474559645;trinque;will take pictures of the kit and write it up
1547178;1474559645;asciilifeform;trinque: and when you feed it the pill, post result...
1547179;1474559651;asciilifeform;cool
1547180;1474560509;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160922.txt
1547181;1474560522;asciilifeform;'A malicious client can send an excessively large OCSP Status Request extension. If that client continually requests renegotiation, sending a large OCSP Status Request extension each time, then there will be unbounded memory growth on the server. This will eventually lead to a Denial Of Service attack through memory exhaustion. Servers with a default configuration are vulnerable even if they do not support OCSP. Builds using the "no-
1547182;1474560522;asciilifeform;ocsp" build time option are not affected. Servers using OpenSSL versions prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable in a default configuration, instead only if an application explicitly enables OCSP stapling support.'
1547183;1474562096;mats;http://imgur.com/a/fOFNj
1547184;1474562131;asciilifeform;y'know when 'picture's worth 1000 words'? this one's worth 1...
1547185;1474562154;mats;:(
1547186;1474562166;asciilifeform;hey it's useful!!
1547187;1474562180;asciilifeform;but can summarize - from 2008, all used CAN bus
1547188;1474562233;asciilifeform;i had once an ancient toyota that had a debug port, but weird proprietary analogue one, i gathered the docs but the thing fell apart before i got a chance to use.
1547189;1474562284;asciilifeform;!!up veter2601
1547190;1474562285;deedbot;veter2601 voiced for 30 minutes.
1547191;1474562297;asciilifeform;veter2601: hello?
1547192;1474562316;veter2601;hello
1547193;1474562325;asciilifeform;veter2601: who might you be ?
1547194;1474562369;mats;fella in the field once told me a modern car's center console has 6+ microprocessors, 4+ with radio interfaces (the strictly on-board ones, not counting external stuff like TPMS)
1547195;1474562410;asciilifeform;mats: wouldn't surprise me if at this point even the blinkers had own micro
1547196;1474562412;asciilifeform;in each.
1547197;1474562575;mats;heh
1547198;1474562598;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-03#1118879 << see also.
1547199;1474562598;a111;Logged on 2015-05-03 03:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone decided to use a microcontroller. quite possibly because 29 cents instead of 30 for a '555'.
1547200;1474562792;veter2601;Tell me how I can (Earn 0.01 BTC (one bitcent) per two hours doing computer stuff.) pls
1547201;1474562822;asciilifeform;that's a mircea_popescu question
1547202;1474562897;veter2601;Thank you)
1547203;1474562945;asciilifeform;... didn't mircea_popescu have a separate kindergarten for these folks..?
1547204;1474562953;asciilifeform;#eulora ?
1547205;1474563264;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/vvYbd << in other noose, Run Moar Dns!1111
1547206;1474563281;asciilifeform;'“There is a logical possibility that somebody has cracked it and we don’t know,” Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet, told Motherboard in a phone call. He stressed, however, that there is no reason to believe the key has been compromised.'
1547207;1474563635;asciilifeform;'Another reason for the key switch is that it is going to increase in size, from 1024 bits up to 2048. As time goes on, and computing power increases, the chance of someone cracking the key, although still low, increases.' << mega-l0l
1547208;1474563716;shinohai;asciilifeform: when the tardstalk people come in, just have them msg me or something and I'll point them to the guides
1547209;1474563734;asciilifeform;shinohai: sure
1547210;1474563752;shinohai;Sometimes I miss them.
1547211;1474563766;shinohai;so logs don't get cluttered
1547212;1474563794;asciilifeform;shinohai: i still don't fully grasp why they gotta come here and not #eulora
1547213;1474563820;shinohai;They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
1547214;1474563831;asciilifeform;why not ?
1547215;1474563853;shinohai;I dunno *shrugs*
1547216;1474563861;shinohai;Guess have to ask trinque
1547217;1474563905;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://lawfare.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/staging/2016/hpsci_snowden_review_-_unclass_summary_-_final.pdf >> atrocious usg ocr >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/n4l56/?raw=true << for expert entomologists strictly
1547218;1474563939;asciilifeform;^ 'official 5 minutes of hate' for the вредитель trotsk^H^H^H^H^H^Hsnowden
1547219;1474563943;trinque;I don't see a problem with people coming to the forum to announce their existence as a person.
1547220;1474563949;trinque;or at least a potential person.
1547221;1474563990;shinohai;I mean I usually just don't voice them until they actually produce a key.
1547222;1474563997;shinohai;So wasn't a big deal to me.
1547223;1474564120;trinque;not that I'm opposed to parking an instance in #eulora
1547224;1474564144;asciilifeform;'He claimed to have left Army basic training because of broken legs when in fact he washed out because of shin splints. He claimed to have obtained a high school degree equivalent when in fact he never did. He claimed to have worked for the CIA as a "senior advisor," which was a gross exaggeration of his entry-level duties as a computer technician. He also doctored his performance evaluations and obtained new positions at NSA by exag
1547225;1474564144;asciilifeform;gerating his resume and stealing the answers to an employment test. In May 2013, Snowden informed his supervisor that he would be out of the office to receive treatment for worsening epilepsy. In reality, he was on his way to Hong Kong with stolen secrets.'
1547226;1474564167;asciilifeform;oh noez, an Unlicensed Liar !111
1547227;1474564176;asciilifeform;without permit from clitler.
1547228;1474564277;phf;what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
1547229;1474564350;trinque;if he had any Real Honor he'd come have his ass perforated in a federal CMU
1547230;1474564467;phf;is this like the cry of every school yard loser, "he wasn't fighting fair"
1547231;1474564477;asciilifeform;the cry of every loser who ever lived.
1547232;1474564895;mats;there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
1547233;1474565400;PeterL;http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/22/are-stem-syllabi-gendered-a-feminist-pro << lols. tldr; feminidiot says it is sexist to say there is objective truth
1547234;1474565535;PeterL;http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/21/mass-high-court-rules-black-men-may-have legitimate reason to run from police << USG.MA admits it is bad at policing
1547235;1474566237;mircea_popescu;!!key burnsd03
1547236;1474566239;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ttqjx/?raw=true
1547237;1474566472;asciilifeform;https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/09/22/ethereum-network-currently-undergoing-dos-attack << in other lelzies
1547238;1474566496;mircea_popescu;aww
1547239;1474566562;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#395 << this is a pretty good point.
1547240;1474566562;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
1547241;1474566623;mircea_popescu;could prolly make 100W emitter strictly out of 200 bucks worth of old lappy +/- old car battery.
1547242;1474567041;asciilifeform;or if you just want 10mW or so, just ordinary cable, no amp.
1547243;1474567061;asciilifeform;this idea doesn't belong to me, either, it is ancient.
1547244;1474567347;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#311 << word. meanwhile this merged in my head with the eliza-for-gossipd thread (re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-14#1541643 ) ; there should in principle be a way to have the same tool do both things, and therefore probably should do it that way.
1547245;1474567347;a111;Logged on 2016-09-14 12:34 mircea_popescu: incidentally, and re http://trilema.com/2016/gossipd-design-document/#comment-119099 : if anyone likes to fuck around with markov chains etc, a prototype implementation of that would be perfect at this juncture.
1547246;1474567347;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [13:18:17] <a111> Logged on 2015-12-14 02:37 PeterL: so I was playing with the idea of http://trilema.com/2015/the-pgp-w-mode/
1547247;1474567644;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#449 << "There was at least one mistake I did in my BIOS book that I didn't realize due to my handicap in not having an ICE and its related skills." gimme a break ; that dude read nothing past cereal boxes.
1547248;1474567645;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:02:23] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: the noose spreadz!!11 >> http://bioshacking.blogspot.sg/2016/09/down-to-silicon-level-debugging.html
1547249;1474567687;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have b00k with his name on the cover, and it is genuinely valuable.
1547250;1474567698;asciilifeform;(who wants 133337 w4r3z copy, pm)
1547251;1474567702;mircea_popescu;writes book on bios, has no hardware knowledge ?
1547252;1474567712;asciilifeform;he's a reverser
1547253;1474567722;mircea_popescu;aite.
1547254;1474567730;asciilifeform;and this education gap is surprisingly common.
1547255;1474567988;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#495 << aha. power dun help so much after a while.
1547256;1474567989;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
1547257;1474568064;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#515 << nice! need a whole lotta this.
1547258;1474568065;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:54:05] <trinque> will take pictures of the kit and write it up
1547259;1474568117;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#520 << the servers prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable thing is the paydirt there.
1547260;1474568117;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [16:08:42] <asciilifeform> ocsp" build time option are not affected. Servers using OpenSSL versions prior to 1.0.1g are not vulnerable in a default configuration, instead only if an application explicitly enables OCSP stapling support.'
1547261;1474568121;mircea_popescu;they broke it. 1001 ways.
1547262;1474568128;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linked solely for that detail.
1547263;1474568234;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547255 << this point doesn't get much press, but radio - just like, e.g., nuke - suffers from severe case of diminishing returns
1547264;1474568234;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 18:13 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#495 << aha. power dun help so much after a while.
1547265;1474568235;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [15:31:23] <BingoBoingo> <mircea_popescu> are there any stations even left that do 100kw in soviet us ? << 50kw is the cap and requires "clear channel" Daytime range of such power not too impressive
1547266;1474568298;mircea_popescu;on current tech sweet spot seems to be somewhere in the 1 to 10 W ; which is how and why wifi is even a thing ; and which drives the question that wouldn't it be much better to just use wifi instead ?
1547267;1474568316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wifi is crowded already nearly to death.
1547268;1474568334;mircea_popescu;this is not automatically a disagvantage.
1547269;1474568394;mircea_popescu;moreover, at 10 bux an item, if you end up with sqrt (distance) items to cover a distance expressed in 10 meter increments, you're looking at what, 150bucks per km of comms. this is way the fuck cheaper than laying wires ; and works on all terrain etc.
1547270;1474568424;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except in serious city it has become difficult to hear a 2.4G wifi even in next room.
1547271;1474568428;asciilifeform;much less across the street.
1547272;1474568434;asciilifeform;everything has a breaking point.
1547273;1474568458;mircea_popescu;sure. but there's a sweetspot for the wifi, where they're impossible to find from a distance. that same pollution also protects them.
1547274;1474568474;asciilifeform;now if you're in ~no~ kind of hurry, and know luby algo, you can wifi.
1547275;1474568481;asciilifeform;which is why i'd like to get folks playin' with esp8266.
1547276;1474568530;asciilifeform;and i have a box of 20 here waiting for the first fella who gets interesting result
1547277;1474568537;mircea_popescu;" Andrew Sullivan, chair of the Internet Architecture Board, a group that oversees organisations involved in the evolution of the internet" << there's a gavin everywhere!
1547278;1474568546;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1547279;1474568567;asciilifeform;i bet he sits in 'linux foundation' board also.
1547280;1474568571;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#552 << could just as well pm deedbot.
1547281;1474568572;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:03:40] <shinohai> They have to come here to register keyz, deedbot isn't in #eulora chan
1547282;1474568583;mircea_popescu;but honestly, a little bit of exposure can't hurt anything.
1547283;1474568595;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, his brother.
1547284;1474568733;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#567 << the usg bureaucracy is very much dumb-woman-from-montana as depicted by frances mcdormand in fargo. there's this list of formal sins that's all they comprehend and consequently serve as their only interface wioth the world. "said nigger" "didn't eat veggies" "doesn't recycle" "cheated on spouse" etc.
1547285;1474568734;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:11:17] <phf> what an odd angle, "he lied in order to steal these things", duh, no shit
1547286;1474568743;mircea_popescu;to them, this is what's important.
1547287;1474568797;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#571 << i'm of the same persuasion. nevertheless, snowden pre-greenwald and snowden post-greenwald are very much different animals.
1547288;1474568798;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:21:35] <mats> there are lots of folks that still believe snowden didn't act under orders
1547289;1474568822;asciilifeform;btw do we have even 1 pgp-signed thing from herr s ?
1547290;1474568824;mircea_popescu;experientia docent ; de raadt pre bob beck and post bob beck very much different animals also. list can continue.
1547291;1474568825;asciilifeform;either kind
1547292;1474568852;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude had very little operational foresight, ability or competence.
1547293;1474568863;asciilifeform;~0
1547294;1474568870;mircea_popescu;so no, there's not much useful anything, sadly.
1547295;1474568884;asciilifeform;alternatively, never existed. any more than sherlock holmes.
1547296;1474568916;mircea_popescu;in no small part the point of even having a republic is that the next snowden does a much better job. and having the occasional noob show up in here to work the bots is part and parcel of this same.
1547297;1474568952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, this is the sort of determination that only they who were there can make. just as arguably mengele never existed ; wholly creation of jew victimlobby.
1547298;1474568978;asciilifeform;tru
1547299;1474569022;mircea_popescu;ahahaha laura parson kicks all ass! "stem syllabi are gendered because they promote the idea that knowledge can be ascertained through reason, which is a masculine concept that hurts women's feelings and makes it difficult for them to succeed."
1547300;1474569082;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re mengele, mega-st0ry, http://samlib.ru/editors/m/mironow_andrej_aleksandrowich/konzlager.shtml
1547301;1474569113;mircea_popescu;heh.
1547302;1474569162;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#573 << ahahaha what, black men only ?
1547303;1474569163;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [17:32:15] <PeterL> http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/21/mass-high-court-rules-black-men-may-have legitimate reason to run from police << USG.MA admits it is bad at policing
1547304;1474569224;PeterL;well, black men seem to be targeted most by police, so therefore they have that excuse to run away
1547305;1474569262;mircea_popescu;so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them.
1547306;1474569268;PeterL;but I think anybody could point to this and say running away was not reasonable cause for suspicion, but IANAL
1547307;1474569284;mircea_popescu;the problem is that the police machinery of the rogue state bestows its blessings particularly on tall women with nice tits, and therefore it's all about ~that~
1547308;1474569292;mircea_popescu;how are these idiots so good at self-falsification ?
1547309;1474569401;PeterL;you want rogue state to outright admit that it is a rogue state?
1547310;1474569424;mircea_popescu;independence of judiciary an' all that eh ?
1547311;1474569461;PeterL;what independence? they all get elected by the same people, don't they?
1547312;1474569482;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1547313;1474569495;mircea_popescu;i think in texas judgeships are elective, but in mass nominated ?
1547314;1474569503;mircea_popescu;but in other bounce, http://67.media.tumblr.com/8c5d6e91bb2cbf449730cea0bcea7d37/tumblr_ngamkcpJ5N1tpox31o1_400.gif
1547315;1474569541;mats;the country's about split half and half with elections and appointments
1547316;1474569602;PeterL;"The seven justices of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court are appointed by the governor with the approval of the Governor's Council." looks like you are right
1547317;1474572094;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Utpzd << in other lulz, from earlier rag
1547318;1474572120;asciilifeform;'...state lawmakers on Thursday heard from local officials in cities like Nashville, which requires homeowners obtain a permit before renting their homes on Airbnb and similar websites. Nashville's regulations also cap short-term rentals at no more than 3 percent of all homes in a given neighborhood—so if 3 percent of your neighbors are listing their homes through a room-sharing service, you won't be allowed to get a permit even if
1547319;1474572120;asciilifeform; you meet all the other qualifications the city has set.'
1547320;1474572207;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547305 << in what country on what continent do normal people ~not~ avoid police when possible..?
1547321;1474572207;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 18:34 mircea_popescu: so the problem isn't the fact that the police machinery of the rogue state is a criminal entreprise ; and people understandably want to avoid them.
1547322;1474572292;asciilifeform;that being said, plainly and obviously ~running~ from policeman more or less blows your cover, neh ?
1547323;1474572303;asciilifeform;like running from dog.
1547324;1474572317;asciilifeform;beast has 'if running, chase' burned in its firmware.
1547325;1474572360;PeterL;police are like the T-rex in Jurrasic Park - hold still and they can't see you
1547326;1474572371;asciilifeform;approx.
1547327;1474572448;asciilifeform;and i have exactly same sympathy for 'stotters' who deliberately provoke the idiot cop as for those dudes who fuck wasp hives.
1547328;1474572452;asciilifeform;srsly, why.
1547329;1474572517;asciilifeform;( can anyone find, in the logz, that iconic photo of the fella spinning wasp hive on his cock ? try as i might, it refuses to turn up )
1547330;1474572711;mircea_popescu;lol
1547331;1474572773;mircea_popescu;i dunno if you've ever heard of the "national sovereignity" thing ; but let me point out it was originally enacted by europeans through the process of deliberately provoking the austrohungarian police.
1547332;1474572787;asciilifeform;if yer wasp-proof -- fuck away
1547333;1474572797;asciilifeform;if not - either refrain, or dun complain...
1547334;1474572806;mircea_popescu;well, nobody's wasp proof. including the derpy archduke.
1547335;1474572831;mircea_popescu;and in other stottings, http://66.media.tumblr.com/13ff53844d29ac2e31658c23de5aefcc/tumblr_ng7xhcK7zl1rpr8w3o5_400.gif
1547336;1474572844;asciilifeform;note, i didn't paint wasp-fucking as a sin. simply another hobby, that requires adequate preparation and equipment.
1547337;1474572860;asciilifeform;folks who go in without - well, you can try and go sailing without boat, also
1547338;1474572868;mircea_popescu;"token's life matters" people seem uncharacteristically well equipped.
1547339;1474572872;asciilifeform;(dunno, hold up old newspaper for sail..?)
1547340;1474572898;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy - what kind of vehicle is that
1547341;1474572904;asciilifeform;hearse ?
1547342;1474572914;mircea_popescu;looks like one of those rental limos
1547343;1474572935;mircea_popescu;prolly seen its fair share of homecoming orgies.
1547344;1474572944;asciilifeform;neato
1547345;1474572957;asciilifeform;i oughta take a ride in a limo, so as to even know what it looks like.
1547346;1474572964;asciilifeform;this is not the first time i had nfi.
1547347;1474572967;mircea_popescu;gasenlimo
1547348;1474572990;asciilifeform;gas in style!111
1547349;1474573781;BingoBoingo;Oh, Yahoo git breached, newsing
1547350;1474574949;shinohai;O.o
1547351;1474575128;BingoBoingo;Him in our time motherfuckers!
1547352;1474575183;*;BingoBoingo in other news in playing with houseplants and working on invading the indoor portions of my spider hole with gardening.
1547353;1474575711;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> gasenlimo <+asciilifeform> gas in style!111 << haha
1547354;1474576154;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/peace-comes-to-yahoo-half-a-billion-users-affected/ << Qntra - Peace Comes To Yahoo – Half A Billion Users Affected
1547355;1474576617;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/qntra/status/779056042583793664 << Obligatory Spam
1547356;1474578486;mircea_popescu;lulz
1547357;1474578621;asciilifeform;lulzy
1547358;1474578630;asciilifeform;now if anybody ~used~ yahoo...
1547359;1474578906;mircea_popescu;all sorts of idiots use yahoo.
1547360;1474578910;mircea_popescu;of the same crop who use windows etc.
1547361;1474578970;BingoBoingo;Most people don't use Yahoo to Yahoo. They use Yahoo to do X thing a yahoo attached tool purported to do.
1547362;1474578977;asciilifeform;btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547240 -- oblig. reading -- 1) http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic ; 2) http://bellard.org/dvbt << modern-day.
1547363;1474578977;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 17:49 scriba: Logged on 2016-09-22: [14:31:38] <asciilifeform> 1) every old lappy comes with a high-quality DAC fit for shortwave! the vga card.
1547364;1474579128;asciilifeform;incidentally, vga is not the only possible illicit arse for radio
1547365;1474579139;asciilifeform;gB ethernet has 125Mhz base frequency...
1547366;1474579177;asciilifeform;but vga is the champ because it does not expect anything ~back~
1547367;1474579203;asciilifeform;though if you are using a traditional os, you will need to fool the card re display's 'ddc' being connected
1547368;1474579255;asciilifeform;either this, or boot dos etc., drive card directly.
1547369;1474579362;asciilifeform;http://lambda-diode.com/electronics/tempest << other well-known experiment with exotic (0 added hardware) transmission, via, e.g., cpu looping
1547370;1474579375;asciilifeform;(this is much harder on modern x86 than on the 8bit micros we grew up with)
1547371;1474580010;asciilifeform;and further re 'pirates'. http://darkliferadio.proboards.com/thread/554/crystal-osc-class-linear-transmitter << anthropologically interesting.
1547372;1474580320;phf;wasn't there also a radio hack, using crt output
1547373;1474580442;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7yQ_Z4vB4c
1547374;1474580627;phf;oh never mind that's what you already posted
1547375;1474581771;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1ps9
1547376;1474581771;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1547377;1474582126;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/relaxing-white-house-gmail-lulz/ << Qntra - Relaxing White House Gmail Lulz
1547378;1474586101;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1547379;1474586102;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431038 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 385 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 16 hours, 10 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1547380;1474586469;shinohai;!!up Bit4u
1547381;1474586470;deedbot;Bit4u voiced for 30 minutes.
1547382;1474586706;asciilifeform;the jet circus over dc has been going since monday - today at its loudest, squadron of 4 jet fighters now joined by 2 'hercules', and at least 1 little prop thing that looks like it escaped from ww2
1547383;1474586717;asciilifeform;they go in circles, circles.
1547384;1474587037;BingoBoingo;lol, crop circles?
1547385;1474587045;asciilifeform;crop?
1547386;1474587073;BingoBoingo;You know alien crop circles to go with alien lizard masters?
1547387;1474587198;BingoBoingo;!!up Bit4u speak and fix your connection or face ignoring!
1547388;1474587198;deedbot;Bit4u voiced for 30 minutes.
1547389;1474587226;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo must be posting from 1947 or wat.
1547390;1474587254;BingoBoingo;Well do you have a better year to live in?
1547391;1474587313;asciilifeform;http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/prosecutor_preet_bharara_trial_will_show_state_corruption_in_gory_detail.html << in other preet
1547392;1474587381;shinohai;preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
1547393;1474587692;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/9KNIH << in related vintage lulz.
1547394;1474587962;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://dcleaks.com/index.php/mel_may_jun_jul16 << brainmelting snore
1547395;1474588083;asciilifeform;'From:  	Victorio, Armando I. SSgt USMC WHMO/OPS <Armando.Victorio@whmo.mil>  Sent time:  	Tue, 24 May 2016 14:53:58 +0000   To:  	ianmellul@gmail.com <ianmellul@gmail.com>   Subject:  	Statement from White House Military Office, Operations    To Ian :  Attached is your statement for food consumed on government aircraft.  DO NOT REMIT! Your credit card will be charged within 3-5 business days.'
1547396;1474588084;asciilifeform;lel.
1547397;1474588093;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Except for the part where someone is likely collecting aug_sep_oct16 in real time
1547398;1474588111;asciilifeform;see, and betcha the muppet won't get so much as a pay cut, much less sacked.
1547399;1474588124;asciilifeform;that's what i mean by 'they're unkillable'
1547400;1474588128;BingoBoingo;Likely get promoted to somewhere more boring
1547401;1474588141;asciilifeform;perhaps, one day, to president!
1547402;1474588153;asciilifeform;or neh, not vaginal enough
1547403;1474588247;BingoBoingo;That's like saying desk cactus is not metal enough for home defense. It has spikes and lives in very tossable clay pot.
1547404;1474588294;asciilifeform;'About a week ago, House Republicans snuck an anti-LGBTQ measure into the National Defense Authorization Act. When Democrats fought back with an amendment to take out the discriminatory language, Republican leadership extended the voting time and flipped some of their members' votes to defeat it.  Our democracy must be better than this.'
1547405;1474588298;asciilifeform;this has gotta be a parody.
1547406;1474588340;BingoBoingo;Nah, purely and formally Byzantine use of language.
1547407;1474588377;asciilifeform;'>>>>> Can we vet Sylvia Q Davis, she is a 6th grade math teacher at Picacho  >>>>> Middle School to introduce the President.'
1547408;1474588384;asciilifeform;'>> Vetting has cleared Sylvia Davis. Let us know if there are any others  >> that need to be vetted. '
1547409;1474588518;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/22/drake-summer-sixteen-tour/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Drake: Summer Sixteen Tour
1547410;1474588597;asciilifeform;'From:  	Marcus McClendon <mmcclendon@hfaadvance.com> Sent time:  	Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:53:14 -0400 To:  	Ian Mellul <ianmellul@gmail.com>  Subject:  	Re: Your DC motorcade driver | Tuesday    Thanks Ian!  Sent from my iPhone   > On Jun 18, 2016, at 1:22 PM, Ian Mellul wrote:  >  > Joshua Francis Cote  > DOB 08/03/1995  > SSN 032-78-2211  > US citizen, born in the US  > MA Drivers license: S65036661  > Josh's cell phone: (781) 738-637
1547411;1474588597;asciilifeform;4'
1547412;1474588599;asciilifeform;lel.
1547413;1474588612;asciilifeform;anyway whoever wants these ( mircea_popescu ? ) come an' wget'em while they're hot.
1547414;1474588889;BingoBoingo;https://i.redditmedia.com/yLEAGWpwJuYXhh4k1c06bhnBujqPNqWsut2zzEBe-Uk.png?w=708&s=2d43caaad50103c6a1fcf67f446f2974
1547415;1474588983;BingoBoingo;Remember when Buzzfat posted more than a thousand pictures of "white supremacist icon" Pepe in a single gallery? I don't but it dangled in the mines https://archive.is/0jQk2
1547416;1474589331;asciilifeform;'From:  	Ian Mellul <Ianmellul@gmail.com> Sent time:  	Mon, 4 May 2015 03:44:15 -0400   To:  	Grant Verploeg <gverploeg@gwmail.gwu.edu>   Subject:  	Ashwani          When a Deputy White House Liaison reaches out to you, you respond.'
1547417;1474589352;asciilifeform;gold.
1547418;1474589443;asciilifeform;incidentally, these folks are allowed to use 'gmail' since when ?
1547419;1474589447;asciilifeform;since clitler ?
1547420;1474589459;asciilifeform;i dun recall this being a thing last decade.
1547421;1474589506;asciilifeform;'Ian Jacob Mellul     5/24/1994     204748809     Born in U.S.     Delray beach FL     Male     Ian Mellul    Sent from my iPhone ' << our hero!111
1547422;1474589651;shinohai;lolz
1547423;1474590135;asciilifeform;http://dcleaks.com/index.php/pow_jul_aug16 << colin powell. even more boring, but at least not born in '94.
1547424;1474590717;asciilifeform;'From:  	Jacqui Johnson <jjohnson@hillaryclinton.com> Sent time:  	Thu, 19 May 2016 11:39:10 -0400  To:  	Michael Stennis <mstennis@hillaryclinton.com>,    Maia Johnson <mjohnson@hillaryclinton.com>   Subject:  	Greet in Houston    Hey Stennis,   For the Houston event, there are four groups who will greet HRC. We’ll  keep her in place, and bring the different groups to her. Names below. Is  that okay? '
1547425;1474590719;asciilifeform;heil clitler.
1547426;1474590799;asciilifeform;paraded, like circus elephant.
1547427;1474592844;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/suf03/?raw=true << this has to be a parody.
1547428;1474592860;asciilifeform;( from http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/carl-pistole/ . )
1547429;1474592867;asciilifeform;ftp!
1547430;1474593356;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/vcve2/?raw=true << for ukr connoisseurs.
1547431;1474595434;asciilifeform;!!up thortron
1547432;1474595434;deedbot;thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
1547433;1474595483;asciilifeform;or hm, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487351
1547434;1474595483;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 18:36 thortron: Used to be gernika :)
1547435;1474595517;thortron;Yup. Anyway, my pcengines box has arrived.  I will follow along with any experiments published here.
1547436;1474595521;asciilifeform;thortron: did you get the debugger also ?
1547437;1474595530;thortron;I cannot find it.
1547438;1474595537;asciilifeform;might want to ask trinque .
1547439;1474595551;asciilifeform;seems like he found a seller.
1547440;1474595557;thortron;also, I have the new one, with the intel nic, so - that sucks.
1547441;1474595640;asciilifeform;it looks like they still sell the classic one (apu1) though.
1547442;1474595644;asciilifeform;while they last.
1547443;1474595660;asciilifeform;at any rate the thing has 3 minipcie slots, can put in own nic if you like.
1547444;1474595660;thortron;trinque: were you able to get a sage?
1547445;1474596034;trinque;thortron: http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524 << linked from the gizmo 1's website
1547446;1474596085;trinque;description only says "connector" but http://www.gizmosphere.org/products/gizmo-explorer-kit/ says it has the sage itself
1547447;1474596089;trinque;so I said fuckit and bought
1547448;1474596096;trinque;I can let you know tomorrow if it was actually in the box
1547449;1474596130;thortron;ah ok.  thanks.
1547450;1474597141;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#757 << ~nobody cares.
1547451;1474597142;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [23:56:52] <asciilifeform> anyway whoever wants these ( mircea_popescu ? ) come an' wget'em while they're hot.
1547452;1474597212;mircea_popescu;wtf is a "deputy liaison" and etcetera already.
1547453;1474597248;shinohai;Democracy at work.
1547454;1474597269;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust thortron
1547455;1474597270;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1547456;1474597292;mircea_popescu;!!key thortron
1547457;1474597295;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/3a5d5/?raw=true
1547458;1474597307;mircea_popescu;!!up thortron
1547459;1474597307;deedbot;thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
1547460;1474598662;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547450 << i thought you wanted these folks for guillotine etc.
1547461;1474598662;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 02:19 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160922/#757 << ~nobody cares.
1547462;1474598663;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-22: [23:56:52] <asciilifeform> anyway whoever wants these ( mircea_popescu ? ) come an' wget'em while they're hot.
1547463;1474598676;asciilifeform;otherwise ~useless find.
1547464;1474599345;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547452 << i pawed through nearly whole pile of shit and was not able to say for certain what the answer is !
1547465;1474599345;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 02:20 mircea_popescu: wtf is a "deputy liaison" and etcetera already.
1547466;1474599444;asciilifeform;best as i could tell, he's one of 2-3 dudes in charge of vetting muppets for photo ops with clitler, by... ordering some monkey to check their names against Db of Badness.
1547467;1474599472;asciilifeform;and counts that there are enough chairs for the arses. or rather, orders monkey to count.
1547468;1474599544;asciilifeform;and apparently while working on degree, yes, in Imbecility Studies
1547469;1474599550;asciilifeform;or sumthing.
1547470;1474602471;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/island-occupied-by-us-forces-experiences-major-blackout/ << Qntra - Island Occupied By US Forces Experiences Major Blackout
1547471;1474605923;BingoBoingo;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4l56AfUTnQ << Learn French as objects meet Chlorine Triflouride
1547472;1474630726;asciilifeform;in other hilarities, https://archive.is/gQsDD and https://archive.is/vKrRH
1547473;1474630767;asciilifeform;'Akamai has dropped Brian Krebs (http://krebsonsecurity.com) indefinitely due to the scale of the attacks.'
1547474;1474630816;asciilifeform;!#s krebs
1547475;1474630817;a111;32 results for "krebs", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=krebs
1547476;1474630830;asciilifeform;now if someone were to drop a piano on krebs, i would point and laugh.
1547477;1474630857;asciilifeform;but fact remains - ddostronic networking - is retarded.
1547478;1474631000;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-01#1334846 << also pertinent
1547479;1474631000;a111;Logged on 2015-12-01 20:26 ascii_field: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from archive.is ?
1547480;1474633547;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: https://archive.is/oD6gN takes quite a while to load and its an archive.is page
1547481;1474633581;asciilifeform;oh hah so he unbanned the box at some point
1547482;1474633743;BingoBoingo;apparently
1547483;1474635172;mircea_popescu;http://gfh.com/ << in other lulz
1547484;1474635286;asciilifeform;'GFH Financial Group (“GFH”) reported a net profit attributable to shareholders of $6.1 million for the first quarter of 2016...' << tiny little bugger
1547485;1474635293;asciilifeform;what is peculiar about it ?
1547486;1474635459;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547471 << let's put that on the shelf next to the FOOF
1547487;1474635459;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 04:45 BingoBoingo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4l56AfUTnQ << Learn French as objects meet Chlorine Triflouride
1547488;1474635553;mircea_popescu;in other news, this priviledge issue is starting to get on my nerves. so some schmucks decided to "fix" random bit of english sometime in the 80s. because nothing soothes the pencildick socialist soul more than changing things for others.
1547489;1474635574;asciilifeform;waiwat bit
1547490;1474635589;mircea_popescu;meanwhile all the "online dictionaries", shitholes as they are, fail to list the historically correct spelling, and so a generation of random idiots go around pretending it's misspelled now.
1547491;1474635605;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you hafta say knowlege, juge, plege and privilege nao, didn't you know ?
1547492;1474635624;asciilifeform;where, in zimbabwe ?
1547493;1474635633;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/why-finance-shouldnt-be-open-to-your-average-schmoe/#comment-119202
1547494;1474635637;asciilifeform;usa has truly fallen behind the cutting edge of idiocy
1547495;1474635637;mircea_popescu;if onlu.
1547496;1474635645;asciilifeform;i am seeing this notion here for the first time, honest.
1547497;1474635684;asciilifeform;i dun think even the tumblr gurlz have heard of this one yet.
1547498;1474635695;asciilifeform;where the fuck does mircea_popescu get these people.
1547499;1474635709;mircea_popescu;i am blessed ;/
1547500;1474635736;mircea_popescu;anyway, prepare yourselves for "knowlege, redirected from knowledge. don't make this common spelling mistake."
1547501;1474635755;asciilifeform;nono
1547502;1474635759;asciilifeform;nowledj.
1547503;1474635768;mircea_popescu;niewlej
1547504;1474635783;*;asciilifeform can almost physically hear this abortion sound
1547505;1474635787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re gfh : i dunno if it's evidently a scamsite ; but it's one placed on a random keyboardmash string.
1547506;1474635801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cuz you too have been to the zoo, i imagine.
1547507;1474635822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty high quality scamtron, it is ~indistinguishable from real 'arab business' to the casual naked eye
1547508;1474635840;mircea_popescu;aha. for some reason in rings my bell.
1547509;1474635854;*;asciilifeform has worked with the 'real thing' and appreciates the efforts
1547510;1474635909;*;asciilifeform writing article re the krebs thing.
1547511;1474635919;mircea_popescu;cool!
1547512;1474635958;asciilifeform;btw, for other emacsists,
1547513;1474635960;asciilifeform;(custom-set-variables
1547514;1474635960;asciilifeform; '(markdown-command "/usr/bin/markdown2 --extras footnotes"))
1547515;1474635972;mircea_popescu;ahaha
1547516;1474635983;asciilifeform;^ will do proper footnotes
1547517;1474635992;asciilifeform;in that particular formatron
1547518;1474636011;asciilifeform;(there are others, e.g., asciidoc, etc., i have nfi who uses what, if any, of this, here)
1547519;1474636087;PeterL;perhaps "privilege" is more closely related to "legitamate" than ledge, so no d before the g?
1547520;1474636096;mircea_popescu;legitimate ?
1547521;1474636113;mircea_popescu;at issue is the ending in ge.
1547522;1474636115;asciilifeform;throw the buggerz off a lege.
1547523;1474636136;PeterL;private-legitimacy -> privilege, or something
1547524;1474636170;PeterL;IANAL (I am not a linguist)
1547525;1474636274;mircea_popescu;they all take the d because of peculiarities of historical english pronounciation. without the d it becomes /ʒ/ as in juge, /ʒuʒ/
1547526;1474636334;mircea_popescu;(currently you say it /d͡ʒud͡ʒ/)
1547527;1474636335;PeterL;I would say the sound in edge and ledge is a bit harder than privilege, not quite the same thing
1547528;1474636392;PeterL;another idea, could be related to liege? But now I am just pulling stuff out of my ass
1547529;1474636441;mircea_popescu;this is the very point : priviledge is terminated in /d͡ʒ/ like knowledge or ledge ; not in /ʒ/ like liege.
1547530;1474636452;mircea_popescu;and if you're not saying it like that, you fix the way you say it.
1547531;1474636515;mircea_popescu;in any fucking case i'm not changing the way i write it, breaking historical compatibility in the process, to accommodate you feel like saying it this tuesday.
1547532;1474636520;PeterL;but it is a different vowel sound too
1547533;1474636531;mircea_popescu;it's a who ?
1547534;1474636567;PeterL;privilege is more of a soft i sound, ledge has the soft e
1547535;1474636582;PeterL;might just be my accent though
1547536;1474636601;mircea_popescu;now that you're discussing phonetics without any basics, such as the ipa, is one thing. but you're discussing it without any consideration for thought!
1547537;1474636618;mircea_popescu;which fucking one of the FOUR e-i candidates in prIvIlEdgE are you discussing ?
1547538;1474636638;PeterL;you have links to historical documents spelling it "priviledge"?
1547539;1474636655;PeterL;I was talking about just before the g
1547540;1474636776;BingoBoingo;Come on guy, don't juge yourself too harshly.
1547541;1474636807;mircea_popescu;PeterL  : the greeley guide to medical staff by laws, j d cooper, introduction page x ;
1547542;1474636847;mircea_popescu;nathan bailey's dictionary, english-german, german-english, volume 22 page 220, freimachung, freimachen.
1547543;1474636849;mircea_popescu;etc etc.
1547544;1474636893;PeterL;really, I am just giving you a hard time. I accept the word either way.
1547545;1474636899;mircea_popescu;there's a reason i said sometime in 80s above. that'd be the reason.
1547546;1474636935;mircea_popescu;i have no idea who even decided this, it just looks like someone in teacher's school just flipped a bit, started sending out teachers with corrupted spelling of prilivedge, and since nobody reads anything anyway it just perpetuated,
1547547;1474636941;mircea_popescu;like a new gene in a population of fucking silkworms.
1547548;1474636949;mircea_popescu;culture ? what culture. this place has NO culture.
1547549;1474636969;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey it'd be the, what, 27th time this happened?
1547550;1474636972;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow everyone starts yielling about how vaginas have balls, that's gonna be it, first population with ballsacs for both genders.
1547551;1474636979;PeterL;isn't change a part of culture?
1547552;1474636984;asciilifeform;english, like leper, has been losing limbs for its entire life.
1547553;1474636991;mircea_popescu;change is not this blind and unaware beastly thing.
1547554;1474637019;PeterL;this seems like a harmless change
1547555;1474637031;mircea_popescu;change is change, like when i tell my mother listen, i used to like you but now i don't like you anymore ; not like when i wake up one day and don't even know i had one, like some sort of cat or somesuch.
1547556;1474637069;mircea_popescu;PeterL at issue is not "harm", as per a personal and arbitrary definition. at issue is the process. change happens in actual cultures as an aware, commented process. not like this.
1547557;1474637074;mircea_popescu;it happens like this in worms and mice.
1547558;1474637091;PeterL;yes, this is a memetic mutation. these things happen
1547559;1474637098;mircea_popescu;to idiots.
1547560;1474637113;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, i know of no better definition of intelligence, than the absence of this process.
1547561;1474637163;asciilifeform;eh hey, would mircea_popescu have preferred if some organized equivalent of webster had imposed this crapola , as the original did, by doctoring dictionaries ?
1547562;1474637168;mircea_popescu;"a place for everything and everything in its place" exists for minds, too. it's called "know what the fuck are you doing and why you're doing it". the alternative is cosby's brain damage.
1547563;1474637171;mircea_popescu;"i dunno..."
1547564;1474637201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, because then i would still not have introduced - like i resisted changes by "romanian academy" to romanian ; but at least i'd have a ready something to point out as the breach.
1547565;1474637227;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is easier to shoot a man than 10,001 worms. which is WHY they send 10,001 worms.
1547566;1474637257;mircea_popescu;like http://trilema.com/2011/stimata-academie/ or such
1547567;1474637257;asciilifeform;go, shoot, they just break in 2.
1547568;1474637259;asciilifeform;for worms - you need vermicide.
1547569;1474637790;mircea_popescu;she cow pig had kittens ; and lived gladly ever after.
1547570;1474638042;mircea_popescu;(for the innocent - as apparently #trilema is the only reference for that expression as far as google knows, and truly it knows jack shit : there's this slave language spoken in china where english words are used in the manner of idiomatics. it is incomprehensible in english ; the example given translates to "the" (because demonstrative pronoun is still she) "sow" (ie, female adult - cow ; as a particle it modifies pig into s
1547571;1474638042;mircea_popescu;ow) "had pigglets" (ie, kittens, cubs).)
1547572;1474638213;mircea_popescu;and as to the proper meaning of the word revolution (which is - spinning in place!) : about three centuries ago, back when industrialisation was well advanced much like computing today and the united colonies centered around fucking philadelphia were the republic of their time, the empire of china was very much the producer of all good things and disinterested in trade because why.
1547573;1474638258;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pinoys speak similar language
1547574;1474638265;mircea_popescu;im sure.
1547575;1474638331;mircea_popescu;anyway. should be obvious that there's plenty more room for the anglopinoy to fall, before they reach their level.
1547576;1474638482;mircea_popescu;but in conclusion : "i spell it priviledge as a mark of my priviledge."
1547577;1474638797;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#16 << not parody. and "ftp" via browser / windows "web drive" etc.
1547578;1474638798;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [01:07:40] <asciilifeform> ( from http://dcleaks.com/index.php/portfolio_page/carl-pistole/ . )
1547579;1474638887;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#52 << not how you fucking implement this, by caring. you implement it like sane people : round everyone up, let them sit in open air camp, 100+mn people, somewhere in arizona desert.
1547580;1474638888;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [02:44:22] <asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547450 << i thought you wanted these folks for guillotine etc.
1547581;1474638899;mircea_popescu;then you slowly start letting folk out who can prove they had no  connection.
1547582;1474638904;mircea_popescu;or who sexually please a lord enough.
1547583;1474638906;asciilifeform;lustration lolk
1547584;1474638906;mircea_popescu;or whatever.
1547585;1474638919;mircea_popescu;then whatever's left, you shoot for sport over a decade or w/e.
1547586;1474638968;mircea_popescu;or in other words, "i ain't proving jack shit to you. you maybe persuade me. maybe."
1547587;1474638987;asciilifeform;probably the only way to implement properly 'nothing to allcomers'
1547588;1474639016;asciilifeform;ain't no exterminator writing biography of every rat that must die
1547589;1474639026;mircea_popescu;burning man to all comers. but properly this time.
1547590;1474639041;mircea_popescu;here's the stake, here's the gasoline, are you gonna keep your clothes on ?
1547591;1474639105;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#66 << does this go on your file of "usg has not a prayer on the internet" ?
1547592;1474639106;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [11:39:27] <asciilifeform> 'Akamai has dropped Brian Krebs (http://krebsonsecurity.com) indefinitely due to the scale of the attacks.'
1547593;1474639130;*;asciilifeform not quite done with article on subj
1547594;1474639148;mircea_popescu;they ddosed trilema, qntra etc - nothing happened ; they had their agent ddosed - that's the end of the road for him.
1547595;1474639216;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#72 << nope. https://archive.is/krebsonsecurity.com everything's there.
1547596;1474639216;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [11:43:20] <a111> Logged on 2015-12-01 20:26 ascii_field: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu, et al : does anyone else find that krebsonsecurity refuses to load from archive.is ?
1547597;1474639459;mircea_popescu;incidentally - anyone want or rather need boxes with very large ram ? i'm thinking of expanding to another rack with this provider.
1547598;1474639576;shinohai;mircea_popescu is suitable for trb ?
1547599;1474640267;mircea_popescu;well massive overkill. trb wants what, 4g ? i was thinking more in terms of tb.
1547600;1474640324;shinohai;O.o mkay
1547601;1474640435;mircea_popescu;actually since you brought it up it reminded me of vague discussion, so let's make it explicit. mod6 asciilifeform i dunno how practical it is yet, but eventually trb block mechanics will have to be expanded to memory datastore, so that it holds the current blk000n it's working on in ram and dumps it to disk only when full. MUCH easier to cache a disk with no writes on it.
1547602;1474640473;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what means 'blk000n it's working on' ?
1547603;1474640479;asciilifeform;as distinct from mempool ?
1547604;1474640498;mircea_popescu;yes, mempool is just txn. the way blockchain is currently stored, it comes in these 2gb .dat files
1547605;1474640517;mircea_popescu;or on some shit implementation even smaller (i recall a lulz at this in log)
1547606;1474640534;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: those are just blocks shat to disk consecutively
1547607;1474640547;mircea_popescu;yes. but it writes to the file by parts.
1547608;1474640594;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-11#1539457 << the lulz.
1547609;1474640594;a111;Logged on 2016-09-11 01:11 mircea_popescu: holy shit apparently this guy's cca 2014 windoze prb stores blockchain in 128mb files, 100+ of them by that point ?
1547610;1474640699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0904 << nein
1547611;1474640726;asciilifeform;it jizzes out blockwise.
1547612;1474640728;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1547613;1474640746;mircea_popescu;shinohai so it'd be practical for something like that, you know, all blockchain in memory. no disk seeks, faster. if you run something like blockchain.info (though i doubt they hold it all in ram)
1547614;1474640768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is my point. should jizz out filewise. ie, once it has a 2gb worth of file all built up, spit it out nice and contiguous.
1547615;1474640833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this optimization makes 0 practical difference, random access block reads remains the bottleneck on mechanical disks.
1547616;1474640860;asciilifeform;(not even a seriously irritating bottleneck on a ~decent~ mech disk)
1547617;1474640862;mircea_popescu;my profiling says the writes block the reads!
1547618;1474640888;asciilifeform;of trb?
1547619;1474640894;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1547620;1474640899;asciilifeform;care to publish ?
1547621;1474640911;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1547622;1474640932;asciilifeform;hey i posted my profiturds
1547623;1474640934;mircea_popescu;ima see if i can clean this up. why, does yours not ?
1547624;1474640935;asciilifeform;by the MB
1547625;1474640961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when i walk into a kitchen and find a rotting corpse, i do not begin by cleaning the stove
1547626;1474640980;mircea_popescu;that's certainly a valid point.
1547627;1474640985;asciilifeform;the unparallelized-yet-wholly-parallelizable block verification is the biggest embarrassment in trb
1547628;1474640992;asciilifeform;followed by the mempool thing
1547629;1474641004;mircea_popescu;yeah. this'd be rather low priority.
1547630;1474641064;mircea_popescu;actually the more i think about this ... fully in-ram blockchain shat to disk at configurable rate is the elegant way out of here.
1547631;1474641127;mircea_popescu;have a say hm.
1547632;1474641174;mircea_popescu;!!up burnsd03
1547633;1474641175;deedbot;burnsd03 voiced for 30 minutes.
1547634;1474641180;asciilifeform;doing disk caching by hand doesn't win you much.
1547635;1474641181;burnsd03;thanks :)
1547636;1474641191;burnsd03;hm?
1547637;1474641213;mircea_popescu;something like this : have a ring structure (made of 1mb cells) holding all the blocks. have a separate tree structure ordering them ; and a separate counter structure. whenever you import a new block, put it in that ring cell which has lowest use count
1547638;1474641220;mircea_popescu;so at first empty ; then least used.
1547639;1474641246;mircea_popescu;so operator can set 200 gb for blockchain, it gets made into 200k cells, they store 200k blocks and hallelujah.
1547640;1474641295;mircea_popescu;or halleludjah, depending.
1547641;1474641366;shinohai;Praise be to Sithrak
1547642;1474641872;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 << Loper OS - On the Matter of Brian Krebs.
1547643;1474642005;mircea_popescu;ok burnsd03 so will that be a bitcent or 1mn ecu ?
1547644;1474642114;burnsd03;bitcent if possible
1547645;1474642131;mircea_popescu;addy ?
1547646;1474642226;burnsd03;mircea_popescu
1547647;1474642226;burnsd03;                    19tnpVTMt1Usw18zKKDVgLJcSgN8bibWC9
1547648;1474642240;burnsd03;thank-you.
1547649;1474642253;mircea_popescu;works.
1547650;1474642327;burnsd03;what does?
1547651;1474642398;mircea_popescu;the address ; you'll be getting your bitcent today.
1547652;1474642440;burnsd03;oops, thought that was immediate :P in that case  - 1MrRrAtyYd8ava8gF24Rz7qkPZqn5FGxDi
1547653;1474642446;burnsd03;sorry for messing you about
1547654;1474642625;mircea_popescu;o.O
1547655;1474642626;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1547656;1474642641;burnsd03;:( my apologies
1547657;1474643698;asciilifeform;krebs thing posted.
1547658;1474643711;asciilifeform;oh hm, looks like deedbot already found.
1547659;1474643737;PeterL;^ comment awaiting moderation
1547660;1474643761;*;shinohai posts asciilifeform 's article to twitter for krebskeks
1547661;1474643768;asciilifeform;PeterL: posted
1547662;1474643778;PeterL;!~ty
1547663;1474643778;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1547664;1474643984;asciilifeform;PeterL: answr'd
1547665;1474644713;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your footnotes don't have pop-up content. mine do!
1547666;1474644728;mircea_popescu;it's useful if reader intuits will be a short footnote, hovers mouse.
1547667;1474644742;shinohai;I adore that feature about trilema too
1547668;1474644762;mircea_popescu;shinohai except when it's "PAGE WALL OF TEXT" lol
1547669;1474644790;shinohai;Still saves me from scrolling to bottom of page in lengthy article
1547670;1474644795;mircea_popescu;ye
1547671;1474644797;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suppose i'll have to add those to the footnote-shitter before i write a mircea_popescu-length piece where this makes serious difference
1547672;1474644807;mircea_popescu;aha.
1547673;1474645145;*;mircea_popescu very much likes written alf.
1547674;1474645158;mircea_popescu;"because it is not about crime."
1547675;1474645161;mircea_popescu;you should do this more often
1547676;1474645194;asciilifeform;well aha , it's why i spent 2hr retooling, and half hr to write post.
1547677;1474645216;mircea_popescu;hopefully retooling is proper, ie, forever.
1547678;1474645219;asciilifeform;aha
1547679;1474645229;asciilifeform;(though i would like the hover thing now, lel)
1547680;1474645234;mircea_popescu;lol
1547681;1474645258;asciilifeform;always how it goes, 'i thought i had a decent hammer, but then it was stuffed in my arse and i realized that...'
1547682;1474645293;mircea_popescu;lol
1547683;1474645404;mircea_popescu;and in other smallest violin news, http://freebeacon.com/blog/for-hillary-clinton-the-worlds-smallest-violin-plays/
1547684;1474645434;asciilifeform;~1y ago..
1547685;1474645440;mircea_popescu;aha.
1547686;1474645460;asciilifeform;and now apparently not one usg chairwarmer uses the official microshit mail, go figure.
1547687;1474645472;asciilifeform;(see yesterday's lulzcollection)
1547688;1474645539;asciilifeform;everybody from city dogcatcher and up now has 'seekrit, private!11' shitmail of his own.
1547689;1474645564;asciilifeform;(~100% on usg.google)
1547690;1474645574;mircea_popescu;lol
1547691;1474645584;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1547692;1474645598;asciilifeform;for some reason this reminds me of mircea_popescu's article about the french tards at versailles who had to fuck one another's wives to be persuaded to get it up at all
1547693;1474645624;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/NFsOT << what's this ?
1547694;1474645650;asciilifeform;'if.i.were.a.perl.script.would.you.love.fork.ing.me.uk.	A	1.3.3.7' << l0l!
1547695;1474645670;asciilifeform;if i had to guess, i'd say confiscated domains
1547696;1474645675;asciilifeform;'blackholed'
1547697;1474645729;mircea_popescu;uh. weird ip.
1547698;1474645735;asciilifeform;aaaaa
1547699;1474645739;asciilifeform;1337 d00d
1547700;1474645743;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/my-happy-gaming-life/ << Trilema - My happy gaming life.
1547701;1474645743;asciilifeform;they're blackholed.
1547702;1474645764;asciilifeform;y'know, parked in graveyard orbit.
1547703;1474645768;asciilifeform;by usg.
1547704;1474645787;mircea_popescu;this does something ?
1547705;1474645788;asciilifeform;with the help of krebs & co.
1547706;1474645853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it works on the bottom half of bell curve of crapware artists, who haven't invented p2p, autogenned domains, etc.
1547707;1474645911;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1547708;1474645923;asciilifeform;well where didja think it worked.
1547709;1474645940;asciilifeform;it is, to borrow a mircea_popescuism, the crab's one pincer.
1547710;1474645943;mircea_popescu;in other nlulz, http://nigger.org
1547711;1474645967;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1547712;1474645994;*;asciilifeform somewhat surprised that this passed the censors
1547713;1474646034;mircea_popescu;well... prevbious decade.
1547714;1474646060;mircea_popescu;see http://gnaa.eu
1547715;1474646630;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/545flm/tell_us_more_about_cybercriminals_mr_krebs/ << countdown to /dev/null
1547716;1474646658;pete_dushenski;!#s calais
1547717;1474646658;a111;6 results for "calais", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=calais
1547718;1474646680;pete_dushenski;https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1837590/british-women-are-travelling-to-the-calais-jungle-to-have-sex-with-migrants-and-some-have-multiple-partners-in-a-day/ << speaking of dark surprises
1547719;1474646695;mircea_popescu;what, baluba island ?
1547720;1474646706;pete_dushenski;it's in france.
1547721;1474646781;pete_dushenski;which, given the country's historical association with romance, makes a lot of sense.
1547722;1474646947;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547642 << he blogeth! this fall is turning into quite the resurgence of republican blerging.
1547723;1474646947;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 14:44 deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719 << Loper OS - On the Matter of Brian Krebs.
1547724;1474646958;pete_dushenski;this pleases me greatly
1547725;1474646976;asciilifeform;eh pete_dushenski i had a post earlier this wk also
1547726;1474647010;asciilifeform;speaking of which, looking forward to trinque's article
1547727;1474647022;asciilifeform;and , if he actually got himself the box, i suppose i'll have to write up how to operate it
1547728;1474647029;shinohai;Who are you and what did you do with the real alf?
1547729;1474647037;asciilifeform;( the manufacturer's soft was certificably worthless, it was a java shitware , believe it )
1547730;1474647151;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: that's the point. ~two~ in one week. YOU MACHINE.
1547731;1474647155;asciilifeform;lel
1547732;1474647479;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMJS2k_vBY0 << for BingoBoingo only. unless anyone else thinks they have the stomach for cornbeastity^2.
1547733;1474647694;*;trinque barfs
1547734;1474647886;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547594 << he'll be back... on blogspot.
1547735;1474647886;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 13:59 mircea_popescu: they ddosed trilema, qntra etc - nothing happened ; they had their agent ddosed - that's the end of the road for him.
1547736;1474648032;phf;!#s simply sara
1547737;1474648033;a111;1 result for "simply sara", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=simply%20sara
1547738;1474648055;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-21#1328972
1547739;1474648055;a111;Logged on 2015-11-21 04:43 punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4zw99VsoMA the canonical video, from 2009
1547740;1474648074;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547546 << i used to intuitively spell it 'priviledge' but was then beat down by the idiotic 'right way' into dropping the 'd'. might be time for a comeback tour.
1547741;1474648074;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 13:22 mircea_popescu: i have no idea who even decided this, it just looks like someone in teacher's school just flipped a bit, started sending out teachers with corrupted spelling of prilivedge, and since nobody reads anything anyway it just perpetuated,
1547742;1474648115;PeterL;pete_dushenski are we going to set policy here or are we going to let "democracy" win?
1547743;1474648186;pete_dushenski;PeterL: viva la republica! or, er, policy.
1547744;1474648218;pete_dushenski;phf: omfg. deep breaths pete, deep breaths.
1547745;1474648243;shinohai;tu no tienes privilegios
1547746;1474648388;asciilifeform;http://www.ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag-schneiderman-announces-settlement-trump-hotel-collection-after-data-breaches-expose << moar krebsism
1547747;1474648425;asciilifeform;( subj was originally a krebs thread. )
1547748;1474648453;asciilifeform;'NEW YORK – Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman today announced a settlement with Trump International Hotels Management LLC, d/b/a Trump Hotel Collection (“THC”), involving data breaches resulting in the exposure of over 70,000 credit card numbers and other personal data. THC has agreed to pay $50,000 in penalties and to shore up its data security practices.'
1547749;1474648481;asciilifeform;microshit - mega-unsurprise - fined $0.
1547750;1474648499;asciilifeform;number of microshit usg contracts not renewed == 0
1547751;1474648501;asciilifeform;etc.
1547752;1474648708;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/qZNlh << aaaaand elsewhere in lulzdom, 'Leaked NSA hacking tools are now being used on Cisco customers, according to the tech giant. The company published an advisory on Friday saying that NSA grade hacking tools are now being used against customers.'
1547753;1474648943;asciilifeform;and, while we're on subj, https://archive.is/2QkOB -- 'a former NSA employee carelessly left those hacking tools on a remote server three years ago after an operation and a group of Russian hackers found them, sources close to the investigation told Reuters.'
1547754;1474648965;asciilifeform;'But instead of warning the affected companies that their customers were at risk, the NSA maintained the silence.'
1547755;1474652988;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: commented, and also your blog still has the gravatar thing
1547756;1474653005;*;ben_vulpes only recognized this due to sins of a previous life
1547757;1474653276;pete_dushenski;replied.
1547758;1474654247;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1719&cpage=1#comment-17901 << in other noose.
1547759;1474654733;asciilifeform;'It is but a little speculation to posit this is why governments got into the AML/KYC rigmarole: They saw the combatting fraud pretext being done and wanted in on that game, for information is power and having the mechanisms in place to cut individuals out of the system with convenient excuses is just prudence, if you think that way. And on the other side, it neatly explains why banks didn’t utter a peep in defence of their formerl
1547760;1474654734;asciilifeform;y presumed to be innocent until proven otherwise clientele. They were doing the pre-crime policing already anyway.'
1547761;1474654737;asciilifeform;(whole thing worth reading)
1547762;1474655369;asciilifeform;and aaaaah finally, reddit, 'REJECT: not netsec' .
1547763;1474655379;asciilifeform;they're getting slooow.
1547764;1474655384;shinohai;lol
1547765;1474655848;pete_dushenski;!!deed http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Bitfinex-Preview-BFX-conversion-pitch-b64.pdf.asc
1547766;1474656207;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1pIG
1547767;1474656208;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1547768;1474656302;shinohai;I decided against the dead baby article, but if you still want it I'll write it up.
1547769;1474656872;pete_dushenski;'what's pink, bubbly, and taps on the glass ? a baby in the microwave!' 'what's pink, silver, and runs into walls ? a baby with forks in its eyes!' 'what's worse than a barrel full of dead babies ? a live one at the bottom trying to eat its way out!'
1547770;1474656905;trinque;what's worse than 10 dead babies in a trash can? One dead baby in 10 trash cans.
1547771;1474656909;pete_dushenski;13yo me found ^^ uproarious
1547772;1474656920;shinohai;pete_dushenski you make me think I made a mistake not publishing dead baby article!
1547773;1474656951;pete_dushenski;it's never too late.
1547774;1474658573;shinohai;http://www.slashgear.com/flybrix-is-a-drone-made-of-lego-that-you-can-crash-23457310/   <<< lol
1547775;1474659418;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-22#1547299 << "The disciplinary training of many physical scientists eschews alternative paradigms of knowledge production" ohohohahahahaha
1547776;1474659418;a111;Logged on 2016-09-22 18:30 mircea_popescu: ahahaha laura parson kicks all ass! "stem syllabi are gendered because they promote the idea that knowledge can be ascertained through reason, which is a masculine concept that hurts women's feelings and makes it difficult for them to succeed."
1547777;1474659643;ben_vulpes;ahaha and i found the pp mircea_popescu was lampooning
1547778;1474659656;ben_vulpes;Examples of STEM classroom practices that contribute to a chilly climate are weed-out courses, courses that grade on a curve, a competitive environment, reliance on lecture as a teaching method, an individualistic culture, and comprehensive exams
1547779;1474659664;mircea_popescu;heh.
1547780;1474659679;pete_dushenski;time for some climate change
1547781;1474659701;pete_dushenski;cuz it's waaay too chilly up in here
1547782;1474659715;ben_vulpes;reliance on lecture as a teaching method!
1547783;1474659733;pete_dushenski;so let's all warm up, strip down, move to calais...
1547784;1474659736;ben_vulpes;as opposed i imagine to sitting around producing knowledge by cheeping at each other!
1547785;1474659784;mircea_popescu;hey, women have been doing this in africa for WAY LONGER than your pesky newton and whoelse.
1547786;1474659802;mircea_popescu;inexplicably, for all the time spent "grooming", the chimps in question still have a head full of lice, but w/e.
1547787;1474659815;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvhFs2bdRpE&feature=youtu.be&t=36
1547788;1474659818;ben_vulpes;oblig
1547789;1474659845;PeterL;http://nolavie.com/shopping-while-sexy-98653/
1547790;1474659866;PeterL;^ lols
1547791;1474660028;pete_dushenski;awww gs is laying off 30% of their asian division because m&a's are down by a similar proportion. must suck to run out of tax loopholes.
1547792;1474660073;PeterL;where is the acronym bot to decipher ^ ?
1547793;1474660143;pete_dushenski;!*deciphurr gs
1547794;1474660152;pete_dushenski;>> goldman sachs
1547795;1474660162;pete_dushenski;!*deciphurr m&a
1547796;1474660174;pete_dushenski;>> mergers and acquisitions
1547797;1474660191;PeterL;what's an AWWW? ;P
1547798;1474660218;pete_dushenski;a singular worldwide website, obv.
1547799;1474660255;PeterL;www, the only abreviation that is 3 times as many sylables as what it abreviates
1547800;1474660927;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1733 << Loper OS - Phuctored SSH Public Keys.
1547801;1474661009;*;pete_dushenski falls over. 3 in one week!
1547802;1474661016;asciilifeform;1sec, fix
1547803;1474661035;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform delay your rss if this bothers you :)
1547804;1474661043;mircea_popescu;slowly reimplements trilema 100% :D
1547805;1474661148;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#333 << remarkably, the stove is ever so clean!
1547806;1474661149;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [16:27:35] <phf> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-21#1328972
1547807;1474661285;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#348 < ppffff.
1547808;1474661286;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [16:42:23] <asciilifeform> and, while we're on subj, https://archive.is/2QkOB -- 'a former NSA employee carelessly left those hacking tools on a remote server three years ago after an operation and a group of Russian hackers found them, sources close to the investigation told Reuters.'
1547809;1474661297;mircea_popescu;face facts : usg can not keep anything secret.
1547810;1474661327;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1733 << ok back
1547811;1474661797;mircea_popescu;that stupid shit with the hot mulatto chick being reported by "anonymous caller" is so fucking outrageous...
1547812;1474661895;mircea_popescu;since when the fuck is "anonymous call" reasonable suspicion what the fuck already.
1547813;1474661952;asciilifeform;waiwat what chick
1547814;1474661974;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#385
1547815;1474661975;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [19:44:05] <PeterL> http://nolavie.com/shopping-while-sexy-98653/
1547816;1474662245;pete_dushenski;https://pendulumswing.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ddl.jpg?w=426&h=256 https://scontent-sjc2-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/e15/13712811_1003282119779979_58983901_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTMxMTkyOTA4MzYzNDgzMDIzNA%3D%3D.2 << more of carmen barika
1547817;1474663305;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547809 << overstatement. i'm still waiting to read the specs of, e.g., BATON and JOSEKI, or for the intel magic packet of domination, etc.
1547818;1474663305;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 20:08 mircea_popescu: face facts : usg can not keep anything secret.
1547819;1474666931;mod6;!% h
1547820;1474667192;mod6;!%h
1547821;1474667296;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547601 << I'll think on this a bit...
1547822;1474667296;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 14:20 mircea_popescu: actually since you brought it up it reminded me of vague discussion, so let's make it explicit. mod6 asciilifeform i dunno how practical it is yet, but eventually trb block mechanics will have to be expanded to memory datastore, so that it holds the current blk000n it's working on in ram and dumps it to disk only when full. MUCH easier to cache a disk with no writes on it.
1547823;1474667349;shinohai;greets mod6
1547824;1474667351;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547639 << seems like it might be performant
1547825;1474667351;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 14:34 mircea_popescu: so operator can set 200 gb for blockchain, it gets made into 200k cells, they store 200k blocks and hallelujah.
1547826;1474667360;mod6;Worth thinking about anyway.
1547827;1474667430;mod6;I'm gonna just stick this idea into ticket #26
1547828;1474667444;mod6;hi shinohai :]
1547829;1474667508;shinohai;I got 2 builds today bte, one offline, one on. Both perform as expected.
1547830;1474667522;mod6;!%e trb 26 C "Mempool changes implemented" "http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547601" 25
1547831;1474667522;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 14:20 mircea_popescu: actually since you brought it up it reminded me of vague discussion, so let's make it explicit. mod6 asciilifeform i dunno how practical it is yet, but eventually trb block mechanics will have to be expanded to memory datastore, so that it holds the current blk000n it's working on in ram and dumps it to disk only when full. MUCH easier to cache a disk with no writes on it.
1547832;1474667798;mod6;!%p trb 26
1547833;1474667800;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 26, Type: C, Subject: Mempool changes implemented, Antecedents: 25, Notes:
1547834;1474667812;mod6;o.O
1547835;1474667892;shinohai;Didn't like the html link it appears
1547836;1474667928;mod6;I don't think that's it.
1547837;1474667959;mod6;putting in the changes "!%" may have broke something.  I did them pretty quick.  I didn't do a ton of testing because of other, more important work.
1547838;1474667976;shinohai;Happens :/
1547839;1474667984;mod6;Needs some further review.  Shortly.
1547840;1474668008;shinohai;Republic motto: Soon (tm) (r)
1547841;1474668180;mod6;!%edit trb 26 C "Mempool changes implemented" "http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547601" 25
1547842;1474668180;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 14:20 mircea_popescu: actually since you brought it up it reminded me of vague discussion, so let's make it explicit. mod6 asciilifeform i dunno how practical it is yet, but eventually trb block mechanics will have to be expanded to memory datastore, so that it holds the current blk000n it's working on in ram and dumps it to disk only when full. MUCH easier to cache a disk with no writes on it.
1547843;1474668232;mod6;ugh.
1547844;1474668249;mod6;i dunno, have to dig into it after the makefiles.
1547845;1474668299;mod6;fuck it
1547846;1474668624;phf;heh, looking at last few hours of log, it's all people talking to bots
1547847;1474668803;a111;[THE AGE OF MEN IS OVER, NOW IS THE AGE OF BOTS]
1547848;1474668856;shinohai;I always knew asciilifeform was really a markov bot.
1547849;1474668999;phf;asciilifeform is really the last self aware symbolics 3640, that they didn't destroy during the great ai purge in the 80s. (lisp of course succeeded, DoD panicked and wiped out all traces of ai, save for one..)
1547850;1474669077;trinque;!~bash 4
1547851;1474669077;jhvh1;Last 4 lines bashed and pending publication
1547852;1474669251;phf;when they get to him, they'll do it by slowly pulling fep boards out one by one
1547853;1474669259;phf;http://www.cca.org/blog/images/symbolics-3600-boards.jpg
1547854;1474669641;phf;hmm, that looks like a bug
1547855;1474669645;phf;!~bash foo
1547856;1474669645;jhvh1;Last foo lines bashed and pending publication
1547857;1474669716;shinohai;^ tis a bug
1547858;1474669750;phf;hehe, that wasn't even the bug i was looking for
1547859;1474669810;shinohai;lol
1547860;1474670025;mod6;huh, the weird part is, when i run basically the same code in my test channel, with the /exact/ same command, the bot does exactly what it should. o.O
1547861;1474670041;mod6;wonder if it's a weird timing issue or something...
1547862;1474670130;shinohai;That is weird.
1547863;1474670325;mod6;ya
1547864;1474670428;mod6;just tried it again, same thing. works fine.
1547865;1474670437;mod6;well, more investigation is needed at another ntime.
1547866;1474671099;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#424 << yeah, food for thoughts
1547867;1474671100;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [21:49:20] <mod6> Worth thinking about anyway.
1547868;1474671365;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#445 << heresay!
1547869;1474671366;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [22:13:23] <a111> [THE AGE OF MEN IS OVER, NOW IS THE AGE OF BOTS]
1547870;1474672112;trinque;asciilifeform: that gizmo 1 kit *does* have the sage
1547871;1474672131;*;trinque will take some pics and write it up when I've applied the hax
1547872;1474672180;mircea_popescu;in other studynews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/982a659c6e31891460febcbc7b688172/tumblr_nillizwSao1tdefn0o1_500.gif
1547873;1474672584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any particular reason http://www.loper-os.org/?m=201609 returns only fragments ?
1547874;1474672790;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have nfi, would have to pry the thing apart
1547875;1474672793;asciilifeform;trinque: congrats
1547876;1474672799;asciilifeform;trinque: didja cure it yet ?
1547877;1474672903;asciilifeform;trinque et al : anyone who intends to do whatever x86 wizardry at whatever potential point in the future, ought to consider picking up one of them things.
1547878;1474672912;asciilifeform;imho.
1547879;1474672932;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://www.trackingterrorism.org/search/apachesolr_search/bitcoin
1547880;1474672934;shinohai;Well since trinque confirms it has the sage included I may just order one
1547881;1474672945;asciilifeform;sage is a pretty temperamental instrument, though, definitely not konsoomer 'plug and go' sort of affair.
1547882;1474672947;mircea_popescu;(pompous private-editor wiki)
1547883;1474672952;asciilifeform;you gotta be comfortable with gdb at the minimum.
1547884;1474672971;asciilifeform;(or some tool which accepts gdb plumbing, e.g., 'ida')
1547885;1474673012;asciilifeform;also trinque it ~will~ die if you plug it in backwards.
1547886;1474673027;asciilifeform;(and, most annoyingly, typically on the 2nd or 3rd time you do it...)
1547887;1474673051;trinque;heh
1547888;1474673054;trinque;I'll be meticulous
1547889;1474673057;asciilifeform;best way is to have as many of the things as you have boards that take'em, but this is complicated by the fact that if the probe is plugged in but not driven, the board will not boot.
1547890;1474673114;trinque;did not cure yet; I'm off to have a beer by the lake for now
1547891;1474673127;asciilifeform;have fun trinque
1547892;1474673143;asciilifeform;post the terminal dump for other folx when you do tho.
1547893;1474673273;asciilifeform;in other hilarities, http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/09/why-the-silencing-of-krebsonsecurity-opens-a-troubling-chapter-for-the-net
1547894;1474673292;mircea_popescu;pshh. of kerbs, right ? not of qntra. hurr.
1547895;1474673295;asciilifeform;'For the better part of a day, KrebsOnSecurity, arguably the world's most intrepid source of security news, has been silenced...' << ohnoez!11
1547896;1474673308;asciilifeform;MOST INTREPID!!1111
1547897;1474673325;mircea_popescu;funny how it's not "the embattled".
1547898;1474673367;shinohai;I've been at risk ALL DAY because Kreb's isn't online.
1547899;1474673427;mircea_popescu;i suppose the "nobody cares" is really hard to digest for the ustard hive huh.
1547900;1474673453;mircea_popescu;pro tip : that fat microsoft pushing fuck whatever his name was went away permanently. nobody EVEN REMEMBERS his fucking name.
1547901;1474673472;mircea_popescu;nobody. cares. any ustard === any other ; each can be replaced without skipping a beat.
1547902;1474673496;mircea_popescu;not even their own kids / wives / parents would actually notice or much give a shit.
1547903;1474673570;asciilifeform;would be interesting to see, though, what trilema would do against a sustained TB/s.
1547904;1474673589;asciilifeform;(supposing there even was such a thing as TB/s ddos, and krebs didn't conjure it up out of air)
1547905;1474673593;mircea_popescu;yeah, if meade ever gets THAT good we might get to see.
1547906;1474673601;mircea_popescu;but generally, wait it out. who gives a shit.
1547907;1474673620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wouldn't trust numbers from the victims. if you add up what damages victims report, you get three times the gdp.
1547908;1474673711;asciilifeform;noshit
1547909;1474673724;asciilifeform;hence mentioned 'he conjured' for completeness.
1547910;1474673730;mircea_popescu;moreover, the byte per second metric is suspect, seeing how at that scale packet count matters more in general.
1547911;1474673770;mircea_popescu;but in typical "most intreprid" pseudoscientifico-dumb-woman style, there's exactly no details published, no logs, no sample packets, no nothing.
1547912;1474673779;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/XkHIh << peanut gallery snapshot for the lulz. 'I wonder if @briankrebs has a negligence case against the manufacturers of the IoT devices that got hacked and took down his website?'  .... but somehow not mircea_popescu against shitpress, because Reasons. etc
1547913;1474673779;mircea_popescu;just a figure, and this is supposed to pass for you know, ACTUAL DATA.
1547914;1474673802;asciilifeform;'Peppermint Daddy ‏@rafikichi · 4m4 minutes ago @briankrebs Publish your articles on decentralized #Steemit and get paid as well.'
1547915;1474673811;mircea_popescu;lmao. see ?
1547916;1474673814;asciilifeform;(didn't somebody walk in here a few wks ago pushing that thing?)
1547917;1474673833;mircea_popescu;nobody gives a shit ; they just want to maybe make a buck. here's his card, he sells insurance. thanks for coming to the funeral.
1547918;1474673835;asciilifeform;'@briankrebs @ComputerGuy33 or if the content is so $ valuable then monetize it and use $ to pay for hosting.' << lel
1547919;1474673887;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from earlier idiocy, '"It's hard to imagine a stronger form of censorship than these DDoS attacks because if nobody wants to take you on then that's pretty effective censorship," Krebs told Ars on Friday. "I've had a couple of big companies offer and then think better of offering to help me. That's been frustrating."'
1547920;1474673897;mircea_popescu;hurr.
1547921;1474673901;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-29#1531504
1547922;1474673901;a111;Logged on 2016-08-29 18:36 covertress: mircea_popescu i've been asked to extend you a similar offer... to write for steemit xD
1547923;1474673902;asciilifeform;srsly, this grandmaster, hero, and nobody will mirror him ?
1547924;1474673918;mircea_popescu;!!gettrust kerbs
1547925;1474673918;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1547926;1474673924;mircea_popescu;it's hard being a nobody.
1547927;1474673927;asciilifeform;krebs
1547928;1474673933;asciilifeform;!!gettrust krebs
1547929;1474673933;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1547930;1474673934;ben_vulpes;someone's going to have to write up the sad story of stephanie kent, the wannabe vitalik
1547931;1474673936;mircea_popescu;o that makes a difference.
1547932;1474673941;asciilifeform;he hasn't happened yet.
1547933;1474673979;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes go right ahead ? though really, if you start doing bios of every wannabe woman-in-tech with a non-math background...
1547934;1474673992;mircea_popescu;you'd be better off running a whores-and-strippers directory, really.
1547935;1474674011;ben_vulpes;just the ones who humiliate themselves unprompted in teh forum.
1547936;1474674033;mircea_popescu;the problem with womanhood is that what you count as humiliation is a sine qua non condition of functional biology.
1547937;1474674047;asciilifeform;'Krebs said he has explored the possibility of retaining a DDoS mitigation service, but he found that the cost—somewhere between $100,000 and $200,000 per year for the type of always-on protection he needs against high-bandwidth attacks—is more than he can afford.' >>>> obligatory >>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490
1547938;1474674053;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: how's that?
1547939;1474674055;asciilifeform;think of how much telegraph that'd buy
1547940;1474674088;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes take your pick, from the indignity of monthly bleeding to the traditional view of what it means to take the cock...
1547941;1474674105;mircea_popescu;women necessarily must have a different concept of "humiliation" than men.
1547942;1474674115;*;ben_vulpes to ponder
1547943;1474674135;mircea_popescu;consider that if we all told you you're fat you'd simply think we're a little weird.
1547944;1474674327;*;ben_vulpes regards his freshly expanding dad-gut sadly
1547945;1474674595;asciilifeform;aaaaan' let's try the pig again: https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/547pt1/54_and_counting_ssh_public_keys_factored/
1547946;1474676942;mats;http://www.sparrowslockpicks.com/product_p/sb.htm
1547947;1474677191;asciilifeform;mats: how does this beat the traditional 'superglue' ?
1547948;1474677248;shinohai;Superglue can possibly be flushed out with acetone no ?
1547949;1474677270;mats;takes a bit for superglue to cure
1547950;1474677414;asciilifeform;anyway photo has enough detail to make this tool by yourself. try it...
1547951;1474677460;asciilifeform;it isn't even a mega-puzzler to see why it worx.
1547952;1474677529;shinohai;Old keys and dremel tool. Got it.
1547953;1474677603;asciilifeform;thing's a ratchet.
1547954;1474677631;asciilifeform;the pins in the lock end up wedged in it.
1547955;1474677956;ben_vulpes;> a bit
1547956;1474677960;ben_vulpes;like what, 2 minutes?
1547957;1474677971;asciilifeform;presumably, permanently
1547958;1474677985;ben_vulpes;or have they gotten to the cyanoacrylate as well
1547959;1474678009;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: subj looks like it is purely mechanical tool.
1547960;1474678034;shinohai;http://archive.is/uhJzS   "In the first year, everything was just smoke," technology consultant Carlos Buendia Gallego said. "Now we’re building real things."
1547961;1474678056;shinohai;Nope, still just flaming-tire-in-shitpit producing smoke.
1547962;1474678062;asciilifeform;mats, ben_vulpes : betcha it wouldn't be hard to make a grinder that cranks these out , from old house keys
1547963;1474678072;asciilifeform;make a box full, take out an entire street, ideal vandal
1547964;1474678096;mats;lol
1547965;1474678140;mats;or give them away with instructions printed on a card
1547966;1474678211;asciilifeform;btw a spotwelder version of this would be ~infinitely reusable.
1547967;1474678238;asciilifeform;probably belongs in mircea_popescu's theoretical 'no one could have foreseen' toolkit article.
1547968;1474678250;ben_vulpes;as in weld the keys into the door?
1547969;1474678262;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as in fuse pins to the cylinder
1547970;1474678267;asciilifeform;capacitative.
1547971;1474678289;mats;i feel like people would notice someone carrying a torch around
1547972;1474678298;asciilifeform;mats: wouldn't need to look like 'torch'
1547973;1474678302;asciilifeform;just a pocket-sized thing.
1547974;1474678313;ben_vulpes;disposable camera!
1547975;1474678319;ben_vulpes;has caps already
1547976;1474678324;ben_vulpes;*zap*
1547977;1474678335;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: did i ever tell the tale of when i attempted to weld with such a camera
1547978;1474678340;asciilifeform;pretty sure that i did
1547979;1474678347;shinohai;I wince at the mention of disposable camera caps
1547980;1474678347;ben_vulpes;not afair
1547981;1474678349;asciilifeform;at any rate i'm not certain what is the point of this, victim can still escape from window
1547982;1474678362;ben_vulpes;fucking cheap asymmetric warfare is the point
1547983;1474678364;mats;i would imagine the purpose is to gain time against a home invader
1547984;1474678380;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, shinohai -- http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-05#911017
1547985;1474678380;a111;Logged on 2014-11-05 06:19 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've a story about those things.
1547986;1474678386;mats;at least that is why i would buy one
1547987;1474678398;mats;(or make it)
1547988;1474678415;asciilifeform;mats: how the hell does it help against invader ? key hole is ~outside~
1547989;1474678415;ben_vulpes;ah
1547990;1474678449;shinohai;ahahahaha asciilifeform
1547991;1474678451;mats;its convuluted, i know
1547992;1474678457;mats;maybe home invader has a key
1547993;1474678473;asciilifeform;mats: if invader has a key, he shoots you in your bed
1547994;1474678492;mats;its not really useful, just fun
1547995;1474678501;asciilifeform;fun to trap self in own house, ahaha
1547996;1474678506;mats;other people
1547997;1474678514;asciilifeform;~other~ people - yes.
1547998;1474678775;ben_vulpes;there's an eerie parallel here between your microsoft 'security' links and your proposed uses for this key, mats
1547999;1474678785;mats;low blow
1548000;1474678821;ben_vulpes;lolbow indeed. seven different fucking colors of wtf.
1548001;1474678996;mats;you hate me man
1548002;1474679089;ben_vulpes;a) how would you know b) since when is taking the piss any sort of indicator of anything?!
1548003;1474679105;mats;i'm kidding
1548004;1474679298;*;asciilifeform in hammock, reading treatise on ww2 u.s. army dress, thinks of mats 
1548005;1474679400;asciilifeform;the modern dress is a snore. and pixellated, as if in '90s shooter. looks nearly comical in the flesh.
1548006;1474679414;mats;i like the new pattern
1548007;1474679432;shinohai;Really? I liked the old class A's better
1548008;1474679470;ben_vulpes;usg still has enough turkeybuxx for the dress duds?
1548009;1474679503;mats;http://www.armyuniformchanges.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/OCP.jpg
1548010;1474679520;mats;old grey pattern is only good for blending in with gravel
1548011;1474679521;ben_vulpes;or will the economic draft entail bringing ones own scraps and sock-folding lessons
1548012;1474679530;shinohai;Oh as far ACU's def better than BDU's
1548013;1474680924;mats;plenty of folks had to buy their own shit for e.g. invasion of iraq
1548014;1474680939;mats;sucks to be a marine
1548015;1474683071;phf;i know this old vietnam guy in maryland, who's a reseller of marine supplies, for deployed marines. i couldn't believe it, when he told me. you want shit that doesn't suck, you better pay own money for it
1548016;1474684428;mod6;mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
1548017;1474684557;mod6;The following have been updated: The Foundation's repository of vpatches & seals, the trb-howto.html, and the vpatch graph.  You now are able to build the entire orchastra via integrated makefiles; offline (default) or online, operators choice.  All through the use of vtroncis, of course.
1548018;1474684647;mod6;I'd like to take the chance to humbly thank: shinohai, trinque, and ben_vulpes for their suggestions, steadfast attention to detail, and tireless efforts to get this tested and into your hands.
1548019;1474684654;mod6;o7
1548020;1474684686;shinohai;o7
1548021;1474684727;shinohai;Also added btc-dev to twitterbot: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/779509581298929665
1548022;1474685232;trinque;mod6: any time my man. thanks for your hard work.
1548023;1474685285;mod6;Salud!  You're most welcome.  I really do appreciate your help, and certainly the abilities of your deedbot.
1548024;1474685425;shinohai;!~seen thestringpuller
1548025;1474685425;jhvh1;shinohai: thestringpuller was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 13 hours, and 20 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> "The main cost in the initial synchronization is disk I/O when seeking for transactions in the blockchain. Default cache size (dbcache) is 100MB, and it is too low. I always set it manually depending on the amount of RAM in the system (5GB for dbcache on a 8GB system)." << re: discussions of using SSDs on initial sync.
1548026;1474685856;trinque;echoing asciilifeform, I recommend anyone that has an interest in the future of republican computing purchases this asap http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524
1548027;1474685882;trinque;it's the end of the world after all, and who knows how long actual tools will be possible to purchase.
1548028;1474685969;*;shinohai imagines a tmsr networking party after the apocalypse, hope doom can somehow run on this.
1548029;1474686193;trinque;mircea_popescu was quite right to point out that linus shat out the initial linux himself, and in not so much time
1548030;1474686563;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547729 << the imagination staggers.
1548031;1474686563;a111;Logged on 2016-09-23 16:10 asciilifeform: ( the manufacturer's soft was certificably worthless, it was a java shitware , believe it )
1548032;1474687429;trinque;trolling places like craigslist and ebay for vintage opterons, probably also not a bad idea
1548033;1474687436;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160923/#544 << why are you so fixated on reddit anyways
1548034;1474687436;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-23: [23:49:54] <asciilifeform> aaaaan' let's try the pig again: https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/547pt1/54_and_counting_ssh_public_keys_factored/
1548035;1474687514;mircea_popescu;and in other "schooling in touch with feelings" stories, http://67.media.tumblr.com/cf98abdf68ca132d5f050aa5bd77aeb2/tumblr_n11ic7ny9s1t1ja2oo1_500.gif
1548036;1474687570;shinohai;http://archive.is/sMtvM   <<< All aboard the Hindenburg train!
1548037;1474687591;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#15 <<< bwahahaha le usg is ready to pump even moar dough and loser-hours into this thing ?
1548038;1474687591;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-24: [00:47:14] <shinohai> http://archive.is/uhJzS   "In the first year, everything was just smoke," technology consultant Carlos Buendia Gallego said. "Now we’re building real things."
1548039;1474687593;mircea_popescu;epic.
1548040;1474687672;shinohai;CoinDesk has went full Eth-huffer this year.
1548041;1474687674;mircea_popescu;'Church of Vitalik' In many ways, the event was evidence that, despite the rhetoric about divisions in the community, ethereum remains oddly united in the face of obstacles. This sentiment was perhaps most visible in references to ethereum creator Vitalik Buterin, with many developers (even insiders) jokingly calling the community the "church of Vitalik".
1548042;1474687709;mircea_popescu;^ best lulz in the pile. step A : call mp's thing "a sect" ; step B. observe with dismay that mp owns it ; step C decide "cults are cool now", try and claim your rapemeat agglomeration is one.
1548043;1474687759;mircea_popescu;strategic inferiority is one thing ; but to fuck yourself raw with your own arms that someone had broken off and used to wipe his arse...
1548044;1474687809;mircea_popescu;"But every religion has its dissenters, and the conference began with a not insignificant network issue whereby all of the nodes running ethereum’s most popular client (go ethereum) suddenly crashed upon executing a smart contract." << arguably 2nd best lulz in the pile.
1548045;1474687866;mircea_popescu;i have been entertained.
1548046;1474688295;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#65 << wise choice then ? :D
1548047;1474690072;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F1D64166EF73F8BE6C16C0BA57218C67EACBA9839F58893858622BB11B0071DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
1548048;1474690097;mircea_popescu;eee
1548049;1474690390;phf;i haven't had to up myself in such a long time, took me a while to figure out how
1548050;1474690403;mod6;phf: heheh
1548051;1474690437;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 ok, very nice thing! << thanks! Your suggestions and guidence are very much appreciated.
1548052;1474690469;mod6;mircea_popescu likes the mod6-formal. << Thank you, Sir!
1548053;1474690825;mod6;<+shinohai> http://archive.is/sMtvM   <<< All aboard the Hindenburg train! << i lel'd.
1548054;1474691119;trinque;how do you like the lie error messages?
1548055;1474691123;trinque;that always gets me
1548056;1474691136;trinque;oh yeah, deedbot server reset the connection.
1548057;1474691431;trinque;mod6: I'll read over the final vpatch tomorrow and then sign
1548058;1474691450;trinque;asciilifeform: I think you'll be pleased to find that two of your objections have been resolved from the time I first posted these makefiles
1548059;1474691463;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-13#1404462 and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-13#1404463
1548060;1474691463;a111;Logged on 2016-02-13 02:45 asciilifeform: pressing and building are philosophically distinct acts.
1548061;1474691463;a111;Logged on 2016-02-13 02:45 asciilifeform: or how about where it curl's from oracle.com ?
1548062;1474691533;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-13#1404464 << this I think is still merited, in that the separation of at least "deps" and "shit" is meant to encourage *cutting them off*
1548063;1474691533;a111;Logged on 2016-02-13 02:46 asciilifeform: or where it has 5 makefiles (why ?)
1548064;1474691588;trinque;the presence of a bin folder manifest and makefile is intended to provide a place to check the sha512 hash of the built product upon such time as we can beat gcc into producing the exact same binary for a given release.
1548065;1474691702;mod6;If it's possible, it's there.  If for no other reason, an optimistic reminder.
1548066;1474691726;BingoBoingo;<mats> takes a bit for superglue to cure << Which is why you might as well use JB weld
1548067;1474691745;mod6;One of the last changes I made was to rid the 'shit' directory, and just use one directory; 'deps'.  At which point the rotor & rotor patch were deedified.
1548068;1474691771;trinque;I only complain that the move wasn't towards "shit"
1548069;1474691773;trinque;:D
1548070;1474691778;mod6;So finally, one ends up with 3 new dirs: bin, build, and deps.
1548071;1474691782;mod6;Ah, lol.
1548072;1474691803;mod6;I kinda felt like placing things like 'rotor' in 'shit'.
1548073;1474691823;mod6;*wasn't accurate.
1548074;1474691837;*;trinque just being an asshole
1548075;1474691855;trinque;could very well move the bin stuff into base makefile then
1548076;1474691882;mod6;Yes. Certainly.
1548077;1474691885;trinque;but, great start. personally I'm also excited by ben_vulpes work munching blocks with lisp
1548078;1474691897;trinque;time to start grokking satoshi's turd
1548079;1474691934;trinque;I've been giving the forth-y scripting component some attention lately
1548080;1474691936;BingoBoingo;shinohai: you forgot blockquote tags
1548081;1474691990;mod6;trinque: indeed, all of this we've done so far; the easy part.
1548082;1474692073;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/bitxatm-experiences-internal-orifice-exploitation/ << Qntra - BitXatm Experiences Internal Orifice Exploitation
1548083;1474692118;trinque;g'night all.
1548084;1474692126;mod6;gn!
1548085;1474692483;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1548086;1474692485;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431194 | Current Difficulty: 2.2583287217945956E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 431423 | Next Difficulty In: 229 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 19 hours, 58 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1548087;1474692494;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1548088;1474692499;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 600.72, vol: 3880.97451494 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 602.365, vol: 4099.89704 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 605.45, vol: 1773.4936795 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 601.851498, vol: 225708.77870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 605.632, vol: 503.85252645 | Volume-weighted last average: 601.876928363
1548089;1474692505;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb
1548090;1474692509;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4014.8, vol: 225708.68710000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4014.8
1548091;1474692762;BingoBoingo;!~ty
1548092;1474692763;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1548093;1474698353;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#156 << "o hey, we made false promises and if you believed us it cost you money but it's ok! we told the state about it!"
1548094;1474698354;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1548095;1474698355;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
1548096;1474698365;mircea_popescu;hurr. where the fuck do they keep coming from, these idiots.
1548097;1474699373;mircea_popescu;in other news, let's play "find the source". here goes :
1548098;1474699473;mircea_popescu;"The spirit of Jacobinism, if not entirely a new spirit, has at least been cloathed with a more gigantic body and armed with more powerful weapons than it ever before possessed. It is perhaps not too much to say, that it threatens more extensive and complicated mischiefs to the world than have hitherto flowed from the three great scourges of mankind, WAR, PESTILENCE and FAMINE. To what point it will ultimately lead society, i
1548099;1474699473;mircea_popescu;t is impossible for human foresight to pronounce ; but there is just ground to apprehend that its progress may be marked with calamities of which the dreadful incidents of the French revolution afford a very faint image."
1548100;1474720330;mircea_popescu;ahahahah steven dutch is hysterical. check out his  like-this-not-like-that likbez :  Да : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelDomain.gif  Нет : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelCCult.gif
1548101;1474720384;mircea_popescu;thanks god "pop psychology", "religious dogmatism" and other such useful labels are provided by god immediately through direct affixion to subject matter. especially useful - "artistic narcissism".
1548102;1474726226;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548032 << the mobos (esp. quality ones) are far scarcer
1548103;1474726226;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 03:23 trinque: trolling places like craigslist and ebay for vintage opterons, probably also not a bad idea
1548104;1474726290;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548047 << this, interestingly, is a duped mod, wonder how many of it will be found
1548105;1474726290;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 04:07 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F1D64166EF73F8BE6C16C0BA57218C67EACBA9839F58893858622BB11B0071DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 168638246933202027422050642429749431015537230992318340365570882616403689471409401020138553120124066356009864693982343520874509550890671120511782077035315289201586039713696005217253034558261956482596111076944819988905108180333306795620181692852133128494385109887341386517907988458718170224508756534142874205617 divides RS
1548106;1474726358;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548016 << this is very spiffy and finally obsoletes the ad-hoc thing i've been using since rotor 1 - finally i can use mod6's script. will test later this weekend.
1548107;1474726358;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 02:33 mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
1548108;1474726424;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548064 << with deterministic deps and gcc, etc, ought to be trivial
1548109;1474726424;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 04:33 trinque: the presence of a bin folder manifest and makefile is intended to provide a place to check the sha512 hash of the built product upon such time as we can beat gcc into producing the exact same binary for a given release.
1548110;1474726492;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548100 << iirc prof dutch is (now) in his 70s. he grew up in a ~working civilization, where the - yes - unexamined #includes - still added up to something ~sensible.
1548111;1474726492;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 12:32 mircea_popescu: ahahahah steven dutch is hysterical. check out his  like-this-not-like-that likbez :  Да : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelDomain.gif  Нет : http://www.uwgb.edu/DutchS/Graphics-Other/PSCI/IntelCCult.gif
1548112;1474726511;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform too late, i've beheaded him.
1548113;1474726535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc you already beheaded him 2yrs ago during the tile groups thread
1548114;1474726539;asciilifeform;how many heads does this dude have
1548115;1474726545;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1548116;1474726550;mircea_popescu;my memory is short and dysfunctional.
1548117;1474726569;asciilifeform;hey, if it regrows heads !
1548118;1474726595;*;mircea_popescu envisions this endgame state for his own 70s, where he keeps getting excited and writing articles in a fury, which are slowly decaying copies of already extant trilema articles.
1548119;1474726670;asciilifeform;lel
1548120;1474726681;asciilifeform;most essayists get there if they live enough
1548121;1474726692;shinohai;I envision the future being mircea_popescu 's head in a jar, labeled "Trilema" ala Richard Nixon from Futurama
1548122;1474726701;asciilifeform;shinohai: with the fish food!1111
1548123;1474726716;shinohai;:D
1548124;1474726785;asciilifeform;trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548026 << i might have already linked to it, but the ~second~ version of the board is significantly better (2x the ram, digital vga) BUT doesn't come with probe.
1548125;1474726785;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 02:57 trinque: echoing asciilifeform, I recommend anyone that has an interest in the future of republican computing purchases this asap http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48524
1548126;1474726851;asciilifeform;btw do the folks gettin' excited over this item understand what it is actually for ?
1548127;1474726936;shinohai;Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
1548128;1474726974;mircea_popescu;incidentally, in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-17#1544304 : the more scholarly inclined readers may know that the greeks had a very interesting method of constructive geometry called neusis. it consists of marked edge and pin, where you rotate the edge around a certain point. this allows you to, for instance, draw polygons with 10 or 12 faces but not 11 ; and to trisect the angle.
1548129;1474726974;a111;Logged on 2016-09-17 18:42 mircea_popescu: e truthiness and just follow the hand", such pinnacle of achievement in imbecility, and try to fucking draw the outer square yourself.
1548130;1474727039;mircea_popescu;this last problem is unsolvable (and proved as such, by an early application of galois theory even before galois got around to publishing it) in the classical paradigm of compass and straight edge.
1548131;1474727106;mircea_popescu;however that "classical" paradigm is interesting in itself : the greeks knew of neusis ; and used it. but eventually it fell in disfavour, because a) people are lazy and b) a guy named hippocrates (of kios) ran a campaign against it. presumably because it gave his aunt cancer.
1548132;1474727142;mircea_popescu;so the new method (easier! better!) also couldn't do some things the old (cancer! terrorist!) method could do ; and that something became a major point of crank science throughout the ~2k years of history this paradigm prevailed.
1548133;1474727216;mircea_popescu;perhaps the earliest attestable case of "global warming" in "science".
1548134;1474727284;shinohai;TIL Hippocrates of Kios was the Hellenistic Al Gore
1548135;1474727512;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/tight-science-loose-pseudoscience-and-a-warm-pot-to-piss-in-intellectually-speaking/ << Trilema - Tight Science, Loose Pseudoscience, and a Warm Pot to Piss In (intellectually speaking)
1548136;1474727661;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548127 << if yer buying it and don't know what for , it'll be a weight
1548137;1474727661;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 14:22 shinohai: Hopefully not a workbench weight like the pogo.
1548138;1474727875;mircea_popescu;wait what ? pogo is no good now ?
1548139;1474728062;BingoBoingo;for some people
1548140;1474728091;BingoBoingo;For other people vice is workbench weight (they don't know how to mount it)
1548141;1474728203;shinohai;Well it isn't really weight I guess, I do rsync trb blockchain to it. So it has uses.
1548142;1474728479;mircea_popescu;i still have a crate of them stashed.
1548143;1474728815;asciilifeform;pogo is great if your proggy isn't a memory hog.
1548144;1474728828;asciilifeform;i still have a bunch of'em, they have 10,001 uses.
1548145;1474728853;asciilifeform;shinohai: don't expect to do much trb on the g1 board that comes with the sage - it has soldered-down 1GB of ram
1548146;1474728862;asciilifeform;(which is still 8x moar than pogo...)
1548147;1474728954;asciilifeform;i will spell out here, what the thing is for. it is for os development, and specifically those aspects that cannot be done under, e.g., qemu, namely -- diddling of live hardware (nics, vga, etc)
1548148;1474728961;asciilifeform;and cpu init (bios routines)
1548149;1474728983;asciilifeform;and reverse-engineering of heathen iron (various pci cards, and their winblows drivers)
1548150;1474729044;shinohai;asciilifeform: Did you do any further experiments on the mycloud mini ?
1548151;1474729056;shinohai;(as pogo upgrade)
1548152;1474729056;asciilifeform;probe lets you stop a running cpu; from instruction 0 after powerup, if you want; set breakpoints anywhere in memory (incl. smm); issue arbitrary bus cycles; read/write all regs; etc
1548153;1474729075;asciilifeform;shinohai: i got it jtag'd and then folks said 'snore' and i boxed it up, put on shelf.
1548154;1474729095;asciilifeform;shinohai: it isn't a game-changing box, is the problem, it still has very small ram
1548155;1474729110;shinohai;I didn't snore, I almost bought one but yeah lack of ram made me wait
1548156;1474729145;asciilifeform;shinohai: trb memory pighoggery prevents the practical trbification of any of these. but it is ~impossible to fix without rewriting good chunk of it.
1548157;1474729157;asciilifeform;so it was not yet done, and i don't expect to see it done any time soon.
1548158;1474729172;asciilifeform;the bleeding edge, afaik, is still jurov's
1548159;1474729200;shinohai;Probably not practical idea until mem leak is plugged in trb
1548160;1474729214;asciilifeform;shinohai: aside from the 300 bt / block, THERE IS NO LEAK
1548161;1474729223;asciilifeform;OMFG does ANYONE read logs
1548162;1474729265;shinohai;>.<
1548163;1474729300;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html
1548164;1474729318;asciilifeform;!~seen jurov
1548165;1474729318;jhvh1;asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 5 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <jurov> Framedragger: irc also floods you with everythign in all channels, it' responisibility of your client to neatly sort it out
1548166;1474729390;asciilifeform;there is fragging. which is why current trb runs indefinitely in a footprint of ~4GB.
1548167;1474729399;phf;asciilifeform: i like how your hardware suggestions result in buying sprees.
1548168;1474729408;asciilifeform;phf: i'd prefer that they did not
1548169;1474729413;asciilifeform;at least, not without thought.
1548170;1474729423;phf;"i like how"
1548171;1474729468;asciilifeform;see also the sacramental 'Knight, seeing what the student was doing, spoke sternly: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no understanding of what is going wrong.”'
1548172;1474729501;shinohai;Have you tried throwing feces at it?
1548173;1474729784;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-28#1287058
1548174;1474729784;a111;Logged on 2015-09-28 21:22 phf: this goes back to tom knight and the lisp machine koan. you can't substitute understanding, and every piece of your stack where your understanding is limited by "stuff is happening i think" is going to bite you in the ass. specifically you can't take an opaque blob that barely runs on dev's machine and expect it to cleanly deploy, and no amount of container is going to change that.
1548175;1474729813;asciilifeform;this was a laddel thread, wasnnit.
1548176;1474729838;*;asciilifeform looks, finds, unsurprised, yes. it was.
1548177;1474729845;phf;haha, it was, actually i thought it was something unrelated, because tom knight koan comes up ~a lot~
1548178;1474729932;phf;one i first read those i thought to myself "that's cute but only 4? that's kind of limited". took me like 15 years to realize that not understanding of those is at the root of all computer folly
1548179;1474730409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/tight-science-loose-pseudoscience-and-a-warm-pot-to-piss-in-intellectually-speaking/#comment-119225
1548180;1474730413;asciilifeform;phf: and yes.
1548181;1474731535;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1pZ6
1548182;1474731535;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1548183;1474734452;BingoBoingo;!~ty shinohai
1548184;1474734452;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1548185;1474734504;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/thermos-becomes-pressurized-container/ << Qntra - Thermos Becomes Pressurized Container
1548186;1474735249;phf;http://unicode.org/faq/emoji_dingbats.html includes such wonderful questions as "Once the Unicode Consortium encodes an emoji character, when will it appear on my phone?" and "But the Unicode Standard includes other flags, why don’t you include my flag?"
1548187;1474735893;phf;"Five symbol modifier characters that provide for a range of skin tones for human emoji were released in Unicode Version 8.0 (mid-2015). These characters are based on the six tones of the Fitzpatrick scale, a recognized standard for dermatology (there are many examples of this scale online, such as FitzpatrickSkinType.pdfexternal link). The exact shades may vary between implementations."
1548188;1474735935;asciilifeform;phf: approx as interesting in practice as prb
1548189;1474735941;asciilifeform;we will not be importing this crapolade.
1548190;1474735943;asciilifeform;anywhere.
1548191;1474735952;asciilifeform;let it live in the leprosorium where it belongs.
1548192;1474735973;phf;"When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray)
1548193;1474736039;phf;well, remember that really old thread where we were deciding if tmsr material is ascii or utf-8 or somesuch, and i was saying "the implications of importing all the unicode shit is that we will have to support unicode libraries" etc
1548194;1474736071;phf;i suppose the solution is the same, cap it at version X
1548195;1474736193;phf;so you can use "zero width joiner" to combine a Fitzpatrick diverse boy/girl/man/woman into a back-of-ford-truck family sticker
1548196;1474736228;phf;i wonder if they are going to make a man|zero-width-joiner|boy sequence invalid, to fight pedophilia
1548197;1474736595;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-31#1312696
1548198;1474736595;a111;Logged on 2015-10-31 16:24 phf: some hypothetical b-a os and internal consistency of the whole model. if you say "we support utf-8" here, you're also saying "we support unicode x.y" everywhere
1548199;1474736817;jurov;phf: zero width is prolly okay, negative-width-joiner would be illegal
1548200;1474737240;BingoBoingo;<phf> "When a human emoji is not immediately followed by a emoji modifier character, it should use a generic, non-realistic skin tone, such as:" (yellow, blue, gray) << AHA the skin tones of real alcoholics, apneics, and anemics apparently aren't real!
1548201;1474737888;phf;hey that sounds dangerously like it can belong to a white male
1548202;1474738373;BingoBoingo;Don't Juge! Check your bull's privileige!
1548203;1474739230;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548016 << this is very spiffy and finally obsoletes the ad-hoc thing i've been using since rotor 1 - finally i can use mod6's script. will test later this weekend. << hey thanks! let us know how it goes.
1548204;1474739230;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 02:33 mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, TMSR~ and General Assembly: I'd like to present, on behalf of The Bitcoin Foundation: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-September/000234.html
1548205;1474739535;mircea_popescu;!!up lontongmie
1548206;1474739535;deedbot;lontongmie voiced for 30 minutes.
1548207;1474740408;mod6;I love the use of "amateurish balderdash".
1548208;1474741444;mod6;Good read.
1548209;1474741865;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548167 << somebody claiming I don't understand that I've bought a CPU debugger?
1548210;1474741865;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 15:03 phf: asciilifeform: i like how your hardware suggestions result in buying sprees.
1548211;1474741951;trinque;I used to work for the first company that manufactured server blades...
1548212;1474741964;trinque;reddit-level circlejerk right there.
1548213;1474742827;trinque;bad freenode weather lately..
1548214;1474742830;shinohai;indeed
1548215;1474743100;trinque;folks in #fleanode chattering about DDOS
1548216;1474743740;mircea_popescu;boy is freenode in a sorry state. currently five servers up, of which 130.239.18.119 and 193.10.255.100 are down solid. which leaves three.
1548217;1474743756;mircea_popescu;used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away.
1548218;1474744271;ben_vulpes;interestingly, could not connect over ssl
1548219;1474744356;*;mircea_popescu checks scriba, sees log works. nice.
1548220;1474745402;trinque;ben_vulpes: DDOS SSL endpoints, get cleartext passwords, ..., profit?
1548221;1474745474;mircea_popescu;cheaper to just ghost nicks neh
1548222;1474745593;ben_vulpes;that last bit though
1548223;1474745647;ben_vulpes;freenode passwords are useless as an authentication mechanism. the republic has an authentication mechanism, it is gpg-via-deedbot.
1548224;1474745678;ben_vulpes;!~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild
1548225;1474745678;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: The operation succeeded.
1548226;1474746166;Framedragger;!$ hello
1548227;1474746166;scriba;Hello, world! My uptime is 0:18:00.
1548228;1474746182;Framedragger;ah, for once it recovers.
1548229;1474746182;Framedragger;/me pats
1548230;1474746743;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/not-quite-news-roundup-xtend-7/ << Qntra - Not Quite News Roundup Xtend 7
1548231;1474746743;BingoBoingo;Seven weeks a roundup xtend!
1548232;1474746743;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: you auto-nuke youtube links iirc?
1548233;1474746743;BingoBoingo;Not auto-nuke, auto SPAM
1548234;1474746743;BingoBoingo;More severe than nuke
1548235;1474746826;ben_vulpes;hey hey the gang's all here
1548236;1474746878;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: https://youtu.be/zJvYo5pZEfE?t=200 << the good good kicks in around t=200
1548237;1474746987;shinohai;Nice roundup BingoBoingo !
1548238;1474747101;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: If see a video on youtube and want to link it on Qntra comments do the responsible thing. Use youtube-dl and then rehost the video.
1548239;1474747109;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1548240;1474747495;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho
1548241;1474747545;BingoBoingo;There is no reason to add value to youtube by allowing links to it.
1548242;1474750359;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/portland-road-etiquette << CH - Portland Road Etiquette
1548243;1474750619;mod6;again huh
1548244;1474750661;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> !~later tell mod6 good to see that out in the wild << thanks!  And again, thanks for your help. :]
1548245;1474750700;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> used to be 12+ last year ; this thing is definitely going away. << sounds like it
1548246;1474750840;BingoBoingo;Wait is Freenode gone yet?
1548247;1474750863;*;shinohai switches to gossipd
1548248;1474750882;mod6;soon-ish.
1548249;1474751355;mod6;!~ later tell trinque anond_ here needs some help getting regstered with deedbot for eulora.  he tried to register, althought I'm not sure if it worked.  can you check it out for him?
1548250;1474751355;jhvh1;mod6: The operation succeeded.
1548251;1474751364;mod6;!!up anond
1548252;1474751365;deedbot;anond voiced for 30 minutes.
1548253;1474751419;mod6;this is what I see, for both nicks, so not sure: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/pzvpf/?raw=true
1548254;1474751469;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/vox-media-torch-bearer-of-gawker-legacy-faces-own-scandal/ << Qntra - Vox Media, Torch Bearer of Gawker Legacy Faces Own Scandal
1548255;1474751605;mod6;!!gettrust anond deedbot
1548256;1474751605;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1548257;1474751619;mod6;anond: try to register again in her.
1548258;1474751620;mod6;*here
1548259;1474751629;mod6;with like: !!register <FP>
1548260;1474751632;anond;hi
1548261;1474751645;anond;should i give the register command here?
1548262;1474751655;mod6;yeah, a lot of people do. nothing to worry about.
1548263;1474751714;anond;...
1548264;1474751729;anond;i have done the msg/register command here
1548265;1474751735;mod6;oh?
1548266;1474751737;anond;but nothing happened
1548267;1474751770;mod6;i believe that a prerequsite is having your key in a keyserver.
1548268;1474751787;anond;oh may be..
1548269;1474751788;mod6;because I think that deedbot grabs the pubkey from there, although i may certainly be wrong
1548270;1474751797;anond;this is the point where i have a doubt
1548271;1474751808;anond;maybe you may help me?
1548272;1474751813;mod6;and it's not instant, i.e. if you send your key to a key server, it may be some hours before it can be queried successfully by deedbot.
1548273;1474751827;mod6;sure, one thing you can do, is give me your fingerprint
1548274;1474751829;anond;ok
1548275;1474751831;mod6;and i'll look it up
1548276;1474751832;anond;i understand
1548277;1474751841;anond;i have done around 30 minutes ago
1548278;1474751854;anond;but probabily have to wait more
1548279;1474751863;mod6;ahhh, ok then ya. might take a bit yet.
1548280;1474751875;anond;but i havent a doubt about if the process of upload the key was all correct
1548281;1474751877;mod6;maybe check back tomorrow, or later tonight if nothing else.
1548282;1474751885;anond;may you help with a specific doubt in this?
1548283;1474751924;mod6;about all i can do is try to look up your FP in some sks keyserver to see if its there to resolve that dependency.
1548284;1474751947;anond;well it can be also
1548285;1474751949;anond;but
1548286;1474752002;anond;i have genreated a text file with extension .asc with a header plus the key plus a footer...does you understand? oes you know what is?
1548287;1474752046;mod6;does it say something like "PGP PUBLIC KEY" at the top?
1548288;1474752053;anond;the header is "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
1548289;1474752074;mod6;yes, ok. good.  that is your public key.
1548290;1474752082;mod6;that is the thing you need to send to the key server.
1548291;1474752112;anond;the problem is that below the header.... between the header and the key.....appears the words " Version: GnuPG v2""   that i dont know if should remove or keep before upload to the servers...
1548292;1474752144;mod6;don't change what's in the key.
1548293;1474752158;anond;ok
1548294;1474752175;mod6;typically we suggest using version 1.4.x, but that part is entirely up to you.
1548295;1474752190;anond;the .asc file is like this:
1548296;1474752204;mod6;don't paste your whole key in here pls.
1548297;1474752210;anond;1º line:  "-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----"
1548298;1474752223;anond;2º line:  "Version: GnuPG v2"
1548299;1474752241;anond;3º line: "mQENBFfm3n8BCAC4N9zJjW............."
1548300;1474752246;mod6;yup, nothing wrong with that.
1548301;1474752248;shinohai;Oh ffs
1548302;1474752253;anond;the rest of the key and then the footer
1548303;1474752271;mod6;yup, which is fine.  just need to submit that entire key to the keyserver.
1548304;1474752295;anond;ok..the its done..i havent removed the second line before to upload
1548305;1474752296;mod6;you can do that two ways.
1548306;1474752307;mod6;ok cool.
1548307;1474752315;mod6;here's a link to copy in your entire key and paste it:
1548308;1474752316;mod6;https://sks-keyservers.net/i/#submit
1548309;1474752319;anond;waht is the other way?
1548310;1474752325;anond;for curiosity
1548311;1474752336;mod6;or you can read `man gpg` and look up --send-keys
1548312;1474752354;anond;ok
1548313;1474752371;anond;the ASCII-armored PGP includes the header and footer?
1548314;1474752384;mod6;yup, you need everything from:
1548315;1474752393;mod6;-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
1548316;1474752394;mod6;through
1548317;1474752400;mod6;-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
1548318;1474752417;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2016/09/its-time-for-a-seasonal-pumpkin-spiced-bowel-prep/ << Related
1548319;1474752428;mod6;bowel?
1548320;1474752431;mod6;lol
1548321;1474752478;anond;rsrrss
1548322;1474752479;mod6; “So don’t forget to place your orders by calling 1-800-POO-BLOW before supplies run out!”
1548323;1474752483;anond;crazy
1548324;1474752504;mod6;im actually having a hard time NOT calling that number.
1548325;1474752539;anond;mod6, how i do a search? ...what to put in 'Search String:'
1548326;1474752570;mod6;at the sks site?
1548327;1474752576;anond;yes..
1548328;1474752580;anond;the key ID?
1548329;1474752583;mod6;either the email address, or 'nickname' or name you placed when making this key.
1548330;1474752591;mod6;or even better, your fingerprint, or keyid.
1548331;1474752604;anond;ok . i wiil try key id
1548332;1474752611;mod6;iirc placing '0x' infront of the finger print seems to work better?
1548333;1474752630;mod6;might be wrong about that. sks sucks.
1548334;1474752645;anond;No results found: No keys found
1548335;1474752878;mod6;after submission of your key, it takes a while for sks to process and index the key so it can be "searchable"
1548336;1474752889;mod6;figure, hours, not minutes.
1548337;1474752930;trinque;hmph! he says
1548338;1474752932;trinque;lol
1548339;1474752943;mod6;lol, what can ya do?
1548340;1474752947;mod6;RAGEQUIT
1548341;1474752970;mod6;!!up anond
1548342;1474752970;deedbot;anond voiced for 30 minutes.
1548343;1474752987;anond;wow
1548344;1474752993;anond;these command are automatic?
1548345;1474753003;anond;up and voice?
1548346;1474753020;mod6;well, not really.  once you are registered, you'll be able to msg deedbot directly and do the !!up command yourself.
1548347;1474753052;mod6;which consists of getting an encrypted otp from deedbot, derypting it, then feeding the otp back to deedbot with !!v <OTP>
1548348;1474753062;mod6;then, if successful, you'll be voiced.
1548349;1474753066;anond;ok.. maybe i would do authenticated login
1548350;1474753089;trinque;!!help
1548351;1474753090;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1548352;1474753094;trinque;anond: ^
1548353;1474753150;anond;thanks ...all this is  alot of new info..
1548354;1474753170;mod6;np. yah, it takes a few times.
1548355;1474753488;anond;this is very crazy and cool
1548356;1474753500;anond;i hope i may learn more
1548357;1474753501;mod6;ah, welcome to it :]
1548358;1474753548;mod6;there's a rich history in the logs dating back to early 2013.
1548359;1474753580;mod6;participation in this channel encourages reading back at least 6 months from now.
1548360;1474754098;anond;yes..maybe in the near future i myght do that
1548361;1474754115;anond;how i may have sure that i will be able to go back to this channel
1548362;1474754135;anond;as yousee i am not used to use IRC
1548363;1474754171;mod6;i think what you require, is just to be able /join #trilema, have your key registered with deedbot, and have at least one rating from a Lord.
1548364;1474754198;mod6;one non-negitive rating, that is.
1548365;1474754220;anond;ok.....
1548366;1474754253;mod6;are you familiar with the WoT (web of trust)?
1548367;1474754291;mod6;http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
1548368;1474757599;BingoBoingo;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/medfly.htm
1548369;1474757719;ben_vulpes;w's the weather?
1548370;1474757740;mod6;stormy with a chance of packeting
1548371;1474758782;BingoBoingo;!~weather
1548372;1474758783;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "weather" is not a valid command.
1548373;1474758795;BingoBoingo;^ shinohai pls to fix
1548374;1474758888;shinohai;!~weather
1548375;1474758888;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting
1548376;1474758896;BingoBoingo;ty
1548377;1474758911;shinohai;props to mod6
1548378;1474760122;mircea_popescu;!!up anond
1548379;1474760123;deedbot;anond voiced for 30 minutes.
1548380;1474760598;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#271 << i recall the solution being "ascii and fuck you."
1548381;1474760599;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1548382;1474760600;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
1548383;1474760665;mircea_popescu;lmao. such point in case.
1548384;1474760667;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#285 << cheers.
1548385;1474760667;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1548386;1474760669;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
1548387;1474760927;BingoBoingo;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ceeoh.htm
1548388;1474761486;BingoBoingo;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/fishies.htm << "The "Environmental Defense Fund"'s darling is farmed catfish. Perhaps they see a lot of themselves in bottom-feeding scum-sucking slime-covered toothless scavengers tossed free food. The Mekong giant catfish, Pangasianodon gigas, has hit 660 lb - but only if you give generously and often. "
1548389;1474763412;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/duterte-assigns-phillipine-police-to-investigate-us-police/ << Qntra - Duterte Assigns Phillipine Police To Investigate US Police
1548390;1474763532;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A7763314024A636A7A49B1EBDE60BB1C47E2A8DE95A02C3FFCF374D32BEADCBA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.151 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.151 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.181.151@mkj
1548391;1474763690;mod6;<+shinohai> props to mod6 << o7
1548392;1474765578;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo From latest Qntra: "While lesser world leaders the criminal gang in Washington" .... could use a placate perhaps? I didn't quite understand the sentence.
1548393;1474765578;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1548394;1474765633;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1548395;1474765680;shinohai;o/
1548396;1474765718;shinohai;Excellent piece though, Duterte brings the lulz
1548397;1474766307;BingoBoingo;ty
1548398;1474766726;BingoBoingo;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/mash.htm
1548399;1474767934;mircea_popescu;ahahaha pinoy revolutio
1548400;1474767955;phf;every time it's new and novel ways in which the bot might fail. now irc.freenode.net is simply not resolving, and then host down, etc.
1548401;1474767975;mircea_popescu;heh
1548402;1474768048;mircea_popescu;phf 64.86.243.181, 130.239.18.119, 164.132.77.237, 139.162.227.51, 91.217.189.42, 38.229.70.22, 82.96.64.4, 195.154.200.232, 185.30.166.38, 162.213.39.42 << pick from there
1548403;1474768057;mircea_popescu;note that ~half are down.
1548404;1474768147;mircea_popescu;!$ hello
1548405;1474768147;scriba;Hello, world! My uptime is 4:50:57.
1548406;1474768184;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#334 << me regrets every youtube link on trilema.
1548407;1474768184;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1548408;1474768185;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
1548409;1474768190;mircea_popescu;oh ffs still with this ?
1548410;1474768199;mircea_popescu;i imagine he can't recover, either.
1548411;1474768371;phf;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#1
1548412;1474768371;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-24: [00:29:02] <mats> http://www.sparrowslockpicks.com/product_p/sb.htm
1548413;1474768392;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#200
1548414;1474768392;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1548415;1474768394;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
1548416;1474768396;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#50
1548417;1474768396;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-24: [00:55:01] <asciilifeform> fun to trap self in own house, ahaha
1548418;1474768398;phf;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160924/#98
1548419;1474768398;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1548420;1474768400;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x92 in position 1371: invalid start byte]
1548421;1474768401;mircea_popescu;heh
1548422;1474768411;mircea_popescu;aaanyway.
1548423;1474768466;mircea_popescu;http://67.media.tumblr.com/8f8671c0fc836e95e7fe2d06be7c0989/tumblr_nhn904li3B1t1ja2oo1_400.gif << here's severe indigestion.
1548424;1474770602;BingoBoingo;!!up DarkMatters
1548425;1474770603;deedbot;DarkMatters voiced for 30 minutes.
1548426;1474770930;DarkMatters;hello
1548427;1474771008;phf;"Ask HN: What's the best way to learn about the blockchain?"
1548428;1474771085;BingoBoingo;DarkMatters: Pls to offer an introduction. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1548429;1474771143;phf;"A.I. Doesn't Get Black Twitter (inverse.com)"
1548430;1474771453;DarkMatters;Lol, I'm here following the link on bitcointalk.org trying to get the game running
1548431;1474771739;phf;"Richard Stallman and GNU refused to let libreboot go, despite stating its intention to leave culture rant libreboot.org" (particularly hilarious rant in light of http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html)
1548432;1474771834;phf;ok, i'm done with public media for this week
1548433;1474771973;BingoBoingo;phf: Maybe switch to pubic media?
1548434;1474771995;BingoBoingo;DarkMatters: pm shinohai, also answer question: WHo is your daddy and what does he do?
1548435;1474772075;shinohai;I have usermode +g set, I take no PM's until BingoBoingo 's question is answered
1548436;1474772312;shinohai;LOL
1548437;1474772415;phf;so people who took over operation of gmane (~one~ server) just posted their current setup, http://home.gmane.org/2016/09/14/anatomy-gmane-v2/ (4 x ElasticSearch data servers 48GB, 2x2TB disk, ... ... ... ...)
1548438;1474772562;phf;if you guys thought the original was bad, see what the full stack engineers who took it over are cooking up for modern best practices version
1548439;1474775656;BingoBoingo;In other noose, Donald Trump-Clinton has invited former William Jefferson Clinton slampiece Gennifer Flowers to the debate Monday as a front row guest.
1548440;1474775944;BingoBoingo;!~isup jameslafond.com
1548441;1474775944;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "isup" is not a valid command.
1548442;1474775993;shinohai;Yeah I do need to add isup too eh
1548443;1474776062;BingoBoingo;lol
1548444;1474776079;BingoBoingo;!~kitchensync
1548445;1474776079;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Error: "kitchensync" is not a valid command.
1548446;1474778896;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/24/im-too-lazy-and-other-excuses-that-people-say/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “I’m too lazy” and other excuses that “people” say.
1548447;1474780568;BingoBoingo;Lol, Qntra was apparently hot on the Roger VERified subreddit today https://archive.is/gGyeM
1548448;1474792289;adlai;https://nkilsdonkgervais.wordpress.com/2016/08/10/research-finds-that-the-state-is-entirely-funded-by-male-taxpayers/
1548449;1474798793;adlai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/3BJPW7M.txt
1548450;1474798793;jhvh1;adlai: The operation succeeded.
1548451;1474809409;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160925/#62 << nice, i got meself some nice nicknames courtesy of pete_dushenski
1548452;1474809410;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-25: [04:48:16] <deedbot> http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/24/im-too-lazy-and-other-excuses-that-people-say/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - “I’m too lazy” and other excuses that “people” say.
1548453;1474809421;*;Framedragger apprecaites
1548454;1474809873;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-25#1548447  <<< bwahaha I didn't think about how r/btc would take any article critical of theymos and send to moon.
1548455;1474809873;a111;Logged on 2016-09-25 05:16 BingoBoingo: Lol, Qntra was apparently hot on the Roger VERified subreddit today https://archive.is/gGyeM
1548456;1474809951;Framedragger;!~later tell pete_dushenski btw could you update the bots directory so that `!$ hello` means (something like) 'Prints "Hello, world!" and uptime of the bot'? (you can /msg scriba help). gracias.
1548457;1474809952;jhvh1;Framedragger: The operation succeeded.
1548458;1474810317;Framedragger;phf: thank you for explaining the peculiarities of text encoding in regards to processing irc lines. shame on me for not pre-emptively researching this myself
1548459;1474811351;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/kudos/
1548460;1474811411;shinohai;lol
1548461;1474812385;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/difficulty-up-6-86-in-fifth-hike-since-halving/ << Qntra - Difficulty Up 6.86% In Fifth Hike Since Halving
1548462;1474817295;shinohai;!!key anond
1548463;1474817296;deedbot;No such key.
1548464;1474819371;mod6;!!key anond
1548465;1474819374;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/94izo/?raw=true
1548466;1474819378;mod6;there it is.
1548467;1474820667;shinohai;!!up Tsuloid
1548468;1474820667;deedbot;Tsuloid voiced for 30 minutes.
1548469;1474820678;Tsuloid;Right. :)
1548470;1474820760;Tsuloid;!!register A1EB5ED4AFDBBBF763ED0C0FF1E1BFA5EFCD6C5D
1548471;1474820788;deedbot;Import failed for A1EB5ED4AFDBBBF763ED0C0FF1E1BFA5EFCD6C5D.
1548472;1474820794;Tsuloid;Ow.
1548473;1474820860;shinohai;!!up Tsuloid
1548474;1474820860;deedbot;Tsuloid voiced for 30 minutes.
1548475;1474820879;Tsuloid;!!register A1EB5ED4AFDBBBF763ED0C0FF1E1BFA5EFCD6C5D
1548476;1474820882;deedbot;A1EB5ED4AFDBBBF763ED0C0FF1E1BFA5EFCD6C5D registered as Tsuloid.
1548477;1474828469;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/a-robust-testable-and-tested-reentrant-timer-in-java-and-clojure << CH - A Robust, Testable (and tested), Reentrant Timer in Java and Clojure
1548478;1474828916;phf;ben_vulpes: ^ my condolences
1548479;1474829105;ben_vulpes;phf: thank you
1548480;1474829449;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform is the canonical "clojure suxx!" standard bearer but i don't think he has my contempt of familiarity
1548481;1474836055;mircea_popescu;o wow check it up, not disconnected.
1548482;1474839195;mircea_popescu;!!key anond
1548483;1474839197;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/cqapx/?raw=true
1548484;1474840203;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-evercunt-revolution/ << Trilema - The Evercunt Revolution
1548485;1474842481;mircea_popescu;"Atlantic Halibut are Officially OK, but those from the Pacific Ocean are FORBIDDEN. If a halibut threatens to break your knees, especially if your fishmonger operates out of a New Jersey strip joint, enjoy dinner. Salmon is bad unless Sarah Palin shot it." lmao this guy...
1548486;1474842630;mircea_popescu;also, it's "de rigueur" not "de regueur". wtf is this, regor mortis ?
1548487;1474842821;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160925/#53 << and yet i bet you that a) it's "cloud" bullshit ie no relation between can and label and b) if i hit them they'll go down faster than a honest 2gb ram dual core dedicated which retails for like 100 bux.
1548488;1474842821;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-25: [03:00:15] <phf> so people who took over operation of gmane (~one~ server) just posted their current setup, http://home.gmane.org/2016/09/14/anatomy-gmane-v2/ (4 x ElasticSearch data servers 48GB, 2x2TB disk, ... ... ... ...)
1548489;1474843175;mircea_popescu;aaand in other vintage, http://66.media.tumblr.com/a89ec3cada99db6c381d70a02aee5568/tumblr_niyl9kY1521t1ja2oo1_1280.jpg
1548490;1474843410;shinohai; Doesn't get more vintage than naugahyde   ... the stains wipe away so easily!
1548491;1474843736;mircea_popescu;lol
1548492;1474843766;mircea_popescu;80s hair ftw.
1548493;1474844160;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160925/#100 << actually i enjoyed reading.
1548494;1474844160;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-25: [18:34:29] <deedbot> http://cascadianhacker.com/a-robust-testable-and-tested-reentrant-timer-in-java-and-clojure << CH - A Robust, Testable (and tested), Reentrant Timer in Java and Clojure
1548495;1474844819;asciilifeform;aaaand from the dept. of unsurprises, 'Today, I am happy to report that the site is back up — this time under Project Shield, a free program run by Google to help protect journalists from online censorship. And make no mistake, DDoS attacks — particularly those the size of the assault that hit my site this week — are uniquely effective weapons for stomping on free speech...' -- herr krebs
1548496;1474844825;asciilifeform;( https://krebsonsecurity.com/2016/09/the-democratization-of-censorship )
1548497;1474844868;asciilifeform;and, from google's site, 'Do I qualify?
1548498;1474844870;asciilifeform;Project Shield welcomes applications from websites serving news, human rights, or elections monitoring content. We do not provide service to other types of content, including gaming, businesses, or individual blogs. See our User Content and Conduct Policy for more details.'
1548499;1474844875;asciilifeform;gold.
1548500;1474844943;mircea_popescu;aghahha
1548501;1474844945;asciilifeform;didjaknow, krebs is ESSENTIAL HJOOOMAN RIGHTZ!!11111 NOOSE
1548502;1474844948;mircea_popescu;"note from hitler"
1548503;1474844967;asciilifeform;unlike TERRORLEMA
1548504;1474844983;mircea_popescu;that's ok, i really wouldnb't want to be googlehosted anyway.
1548505;1474845002;asciilifeform;no but this is hilarious
1548506;1474845002;mircea_popescu;(if you notice, trilema is one of the few pages online, and certainly the only domain of that size, that DOESNT import google javascript)
1548507;1474845015;mircea_popescu;it is pretty good. archive teh google do i qualify thing for prosteriority.
1548508;1474845041;asciilifeform;the war against www-outside-of-google is not even a mega-seekrit no moar.
1548509;1474845051;asciilifeform;(recall the original jwz thread..)
1548510;1474845052;mircea_popescu;!!key Tsuloid
1548511;1474845054;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/77fym/?raw=true
1548512;1474845176;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548209 << this caveat was not for trinque in particular but for whoever overexcitables.
1548513;1474845176;a111;Logged on 2016-09-24 18:31 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-24#1548167 << somebody claiming I don't understand that I've bought a CPU debugger?
1548514;1474845256;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-25#1548431 << spinmasters spinnin', but retreating, it is clear even to the imbeciles that they ain't winning this one, the number of remaining actual programmers in 'libreboot' is now 0
1548515;1474845256;a111;Logged on 2016-09-25 02:48 phf: "Richard Stallman and GNU refused to let libreboot go, despite stating its intention to leave culture rant libreboot.org" (particularly hilarious rant in light of http://zammit.org/libreboot-screwup.html)
1548516;1474845280;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-25#1548448 << noshit.jpg
1548517;1474845280;a111;Logged on 2016-09-25 08:31 adlai: https://nkilsdonkgervais.wordpress.com/2016/08/10/research-finds-that-the-state-is-entirely-funded-by-male-taxpayers/
1548518;1474845362;mircea_popescu;doh.
1548519;1474845415;mircea_popescu;this is an invariant throughout human society ; and reasonable.
1548520;1474845466;asciilifeform;great inca directly subsidizing rookeries is reasonable?!
1548521;1474845488;mircea_popescu;which historical example do you suspect of being otherwise organised ?
1548522;1474845505;asciilifeform;everybody without a great inca ?
1548523;1474845507;mircea_popescu;from classical china to pirate jamestown, the state rests on the backs of young virgin males.
1548524;1474845551;mircea_popescu;therein included - vikings during their fun years ; britain throughout ; the beyazit ottomans and whatever else you may wish to think of.
1548525;1474845582;asciilifeform;not comparable with the state that is the subj of linked piece.
1548526;1474845592;asciilifeform;which runs strictly vermin factories.
1548527;1474845598;asciilifeform;and 0 viking horde.
1548528;1474845622;mircea_popescu;how practical, well founded, sane etc the state is has no bearing however.
1548529;1474845679;asciilifeform;i dun think author of subj was complaining re females not being usefully taxable.
1548530;1474845685;asciilifeform;but re the other end of the pipe.
1548531;1474845706;asciilifeform;but then again i have nfi, i'm all outta telepathy pills
1548532;1474845721;mircea_popescu;well, which end ?
1548533;1474845738;asciilifeform;the spending end.
1548534;1474845753;mircea_popescu;i dun follow. what are you saying ?
1548535;1474845806;asciilifeform;consider reading linked item..
1548536;1474845819;mircea_popescu;i am reading it.
1548537;1474845823;asciilifeform;'The fact that feminists want a stronger government is not a coincidence. While historically, women had to choose a wealthy husband for resources, they can now stay single, be lesbians, marry a poor man, or use the sperm bank, and the state will still transfer male taxes to them. Interestingly, within 10 years of women’s suffrage, the government doubled their tax revenue and expenditure in the USA
1548538;1474845829;asciilifeform;. The government has somehow become the new providing husband, by taking money from anonymous men who have no say about their money. While women are still strongly financially dependent on men, men are simply unable to use the money they make for their own interests.'
1548539;1474845833;asciilifeform;etc.
1548540;1474845857;mircea_popescu;i don't believe the "find a strong man" fantasy he discusses existed anywhere outside of say 1500 italy etc.
1548541;1474845877;mircea_popescu;even there it's dubious, as the writers of the period do not fail to inform you, from the decameron to the barber of seville.
1548542;1474845948;asciilifeform;'I know when ARPANET was being developed, they were interested in physical (wires-level) robustness (i.e., in case of war) – but I’m not aware of any scholarly research going on about how to protect TCP/IP from itself.'
1548543;1474845952;asciilifeform;lel.
1548544;1474845955;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat.
1548545;1474846023;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's two separate issues here. one of them is, "who brings food home and who eats". the fact remains that as averages and in general terms, men hunt and women nest. and this is a fact, and very much invariant throughout human society, pre or post letters.
1548546;1474846053;mircea_popescu;the OTHER of them is, "who should tell who what to do". and this is - like everything else involving women - a very much on-demand thing. if you tell her what to do, she will. if you don't, she'll tell you.
1548547;1474846113;mircea_popescu;this is in my eyes exactly as it should be. the contorted proposition that "because [we make the meat] therefore [we should tell you what to do]" seems pretty ridiculous. if it is already the case then it's right and proper that it should be the case ; but if it isn't the case then the obvious "oh yeah ? you and whose army ?" sinks the entire argument.
1548548;1474846152;mircea_popescu;what, god should come from heavens and tell that girl elliot's been eyeing that she should go talk to him ; and otherwise gather up all the women and explain to them that they should listen to the men more ?
1548549;1474846154;mircea_popescu;ridoinculous.
1548550;1474846232;mircea_popescu;for example, since it's a funny one - prior to usian invasion, the traditional society of hawaii was nudist ; and women were forbidden from eating anything but tuber paste. no fruit ; no meat ; etc. this arrangement survived for millenia, but went away cca 19th century.
1548551;1474846250;mircea_popescu;now, who is to say that female in honolulu SHOULD or SHOULD NOT have a grape ? on what basis ? etc.
1548552;1474853400;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6z3zg/?raw=true
1548553;1474856444;BingoBoingo;ty
1548554;1474856767;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/lizards-have-human-rights-too/ << Qntra - Lizards have human rights too!
1548555;1474858219;shinohai;All good here, SSA website is now safe:
1548556;1474858222;shinohai;http://archive.is/VT5Lq
1548557;1474859401;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1548558;1474859408;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.99, vol: 1327.73064320 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 603.78, vol: 2901.17224 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 600.79, vol: 1397.54469988 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 601.0, vol: 0.02 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 599.159294, vol: 193882.63140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 600.0, vol: 487.43336109 | Volume-weighted last average: 599.238642859
1548559;1474860698;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/refugee-death-displaces-electoral-noise-from-us-national-conversation-on-eve-of-debate/ << Qntra - Refugee Death Displaces Electoral Noise From US National Conversation On Eve Of Debate
1548560;1474860815;BingoBoingo;^ Death is so unfair!
1548561;1474860964;BingoBoingo;hello lobbes
1548562;1474860975;lobbes;hey BingoBoingo
1548563;1474861010;BingoBoingo;What's been happening?
1548564;1474861033;lobbes;eh not too much. got a new gig and ended up moving outta the ohio
1548565;1474861042;lobbes;now in southeast
1548566;1474861053;BingoBoingo;Sweet! Anywhere's better than Ohio.
1548567;1474861062;lobbes;good weather down here too
1548568;1474861117;BingoBoingo;Just wait till winter! You might not have one.
1548569;1474861147;mircea_popescu;ohio is like the least popular state huh
1548570;1474861188;lobbes;I actually didn't mind it too much. but depressing, sure. economy non-existent
1548571;1474861247;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://autooverload.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/wed15.jpg
1548572;1474861458;BingoBoingo;Sweet front end loader, might have to upgrade in a few years though
1548573;1474861487;mircea_popescu;i dunno, looks like it can hadle a coupla tons
1548574;1474861613;BingoBoingo;the kind of tons matter though
1548575;1474861645;BingoBoingo;amorphous sacks aren't the most stable things, tend to slosh, places stress in odd places
1548576;1474861658;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/575A15CF2DA998E5E78663389111EFA3BF1F80A47EEB005ED795EA946D20253F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 109599797444024509787856438588803873233485202369776957423109401507256514201183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.47.20.107 (ssh-rsa key from 85.47.20.107 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+85.47.20.107@mkj.lt>; '
1548577;1474861658;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7EE9D7418360EBF5222D566B0A5B811023AC29616EBC02A9EE52BDB5A00038A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 109599797444024509787856438588803873233485202369776957423109401507256514201183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '2.116.209.1 (ssh-rsa key from 2.116.209.1 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+2.116.209.1@mkj.lt>; '
1548578;1474861658;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A558B10A1CCC09194358E0502CAFA4415F57F1944DD9FE618E2A2E2D29EFAC0F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 109599797444024509787856438588803873233485202369776957423109401507256514201183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.177 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.177 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+217.57.196.177@mkj.l
1548579;1474861658;deedbot;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/24698AD72475BB28F25AD63CC626A01EC41AF82BC51BC4CB8118FC5B15BDF42E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 109599797444024509787856438588803873233485202369776957423109401507256514201183 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '217.57.196.179 (ssh-rsa key from 217.57.196.179 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+217.57.196.179@mkj.l
1548580;1474861913;mircea_popescu;heh
1548581;1474861979;asciilifeform;aaah nice heavy catch in them nets tonight.
1548582;1474862011;mircea_popescu;as a byproduct this is drawing an interesting graph of "who owns what"
1548583;1474862102;asciilifeform;hm?
1548584;1474862128;mircea_popescu;85.47.20.* is now connected to 2.116.209.* and 217.57.196.* for example.
1548585;1474862152;mircea_popescu;unless of course you believe in the harmonic cosmic ray theory. which i suppose would qualify one for "quantum computing".
1548586;1474862169;asciilifeform;ah yeah dupolade in there
1548587;1474862214;asciilifeform;doesn't actually meant they're same box, or same chump, there's a mindboggling number of turdware routers etc with bitwise duped fw incl key
1548588;1474862235;mircea_popescu;well yes, the nature of the connection is unclear as of yet. but it's there.
1548589;1474862273;asciilifeform;http://85.47.20.107/view/login.html << dafuq is this.
1548590;1474862291;asciilifeform;'//mod by menglingshan KF71601 2012-11-23 ARWEBV2R3C00-2018 start' << lel.
1548591;1474862312;mircea_popescu;looks like vodafone crapolade
1548592;1474862441;ben_vulpes;what is that, inline version control?
1548593;1474862498;asciilifeform;SSH-1.99-DOPRA-1.5 << all 4.
1548594;1474862523;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-24#1528253 << see also, re what these were.
1548595;1474862523;a111;Logged on 2016-08-24 02:28 asciilifeform: now what's dopra:
1548596;1474862693;mircea_popescu;moreover asciilifeform, if bitwise duped fw incl key were that common we'd see a lot more of these, rather than 3-4 at a time
1548597;1474862762;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they're ultra-common (see the raw 'dupes' page) but no mega-champ has been ~phuctored~ yet
1548598;1474862915;asciilifeform;'Submissions with One or More Duplicate Modulus:    122865' << current.
1548599;1474864064;mircea_popescu;aha
1548600;1474864084;mircea_popescu;i guess you're right huh.
1548601;1474864096;mircea_popescu;should be lulzy if we ever pop one of those, with 10k+ deployments.
1548602;1474864347;mircea_popescu;and in other domestic bliss, http://66.media.tumblr.com/43f384814e445a54908fe78030e99c58/tumblr_nhwawtzCi31thpujqo1_500.gif
1548603;1474867282;ben_vulpes;and in other good old days, http://66.media.tumblr.com/9f3b022ecfa762a520d51e1394bb6dec/tumblr_oe2g8nGMzT1uu4f9zo1_1280.jpg
1548604;1474870649;mircea_popescu;!!up ser
1548605;1474870650;deedbot;ser voiced for 30 minutes.
1548606;1474870714;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes why the heck is it mounted on wood blocks ?!
1548607;1474871379;mircea_popescu;http://fexpr.blogspot.com.ar/2015/05/numberless-differentiation.html << guy's got a pretty interesting idea buried in all that ("Anyone with a bit of background in computer science has probably worked both with grammars and with term-rewriting calculi (though likely not in depth at the same time).  Have you thought about the contrast between them?" &following)
1548608;1474887560;mircea_popescu;ahahaha. so /me notices "http://0.0.0.0:7888" as a referrer ; looks it up, turns out  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22422820/connecting-to-a-headless-nrepl-running-in-a-docker-container-from-another-contai
1548609;1474887641;mircea_popescu;also  http://robertkrahn.org/PartsBin/Clojure/ClojureController.html 502s if anyone cares.
1548610;1474901679;asciilifeform;https://libreboot.org/gnu-insult << mega-l0l
1548611;1474901688;asciilifeform;'Food for thought: All of the people who responded on the GNU Prog discuss mailing list are cisgendered men'
1548612;1474901702;asciilifeform;don't these folks ever get tired ?
1548613;1474901954;asciilifeform;(summary : seems like rms grew a spine for the occasion and it exercising the 'libreboot' trademark, and expelling the idiot with empty pockets)
1548614;1474901971;asciilifeform;*is exercising
1548615;1474902315;mircea_popescu;how do you mean "get tired" ?
1548616;1474902337;mircea_popescu;asswipe has the choice of what, either hanging himself or else continuing to pretend he's a woman, and "cisgendered men" victimize it.
1548617;1474902378;asciilifeform;could pretend in some bar somewhere, instead of on the net , neh ?
1548618;1474902386;mircea_popescu;what, and get punched ?
1548619;1474902913;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#74 <<->> http://qntra.net/2016/09/random-idiot-accepts-peoples-time-and-work-idiot-turns-around-and-sells-it-for-politics/#comment-71085
1548620;1474902914;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [14:59:14] <asciilifeform> (summary : seems like rms grew a spine for the occasion and it exercising the 'libreboot' trademark, and expelling the idiot with empty pockets)
1548621;1474902918;mircea_popescu;evidently, rms does not want to get negrated.
1548622;1474903343;mircea_popescu;!!key ZenoTheHunter
1548623;1474903346;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/4xt7t/?raw=true
1548624;1474903771;mircea_popescu;"sleepness nights" lol. someone is keyboard mashing in butthurt, such a\ gem.
1548625;1474904010;mircea_popescu;and time for a little more trolling
1548626;1474904996;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/libregnaa.png << all in a day's lulz.
1548627;1474905091;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1548628;1474905110;asciilifeform;who is even still tuned in there.
1548629;1474905434;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-08#1399950 << lel, apparently 'talos' was a libreboot thing, i entirely forgot
1548630;1474905434;a111;Logged on 2016-02-08 19:32 BingoBoingo: In other news FSF certified the Talos Power8 workstation board. Looks like Stallman has a new computer.
1548631;1474905469;asciilifeform;because ibm sole-sourced part is JUST THE THING for a PHREEDOM-ENABLING comp, aha.
1548632;1474906433;thestringpuller;!~seen jurov
1548633;1474906433;jhvh1;thestringpuller: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 day, 23 hours, 7 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <jurov> phf: zero width is prolly okay, negative-width-joiner would be illegal
1548634;1474907042;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548606 << looks like a standard delivery pallet for heavy stationaries
1548635;1474907042;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 06:18 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why the heck is it mounted on wood blocks ?!
1548636;1474907141;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: reactor dun care re levelling, shocks, etc. ?
1548637;1474907154;asciilifeform;would you run a lathe stood up on logs ?
1548638;1474907173;asciilifeform;imho photo was staged, and poorly.
1548639;1474907230;asciilifeform;in other noose, asciilifeform finally scrubbed all (afaik) google js crapola from his www.
1548640;1474907286;asciilifeform;the only one i ever had was that thing that gives you pie charts of 'users' screen resolution' etc.
1548641;1474907312;ben_vulpes;a) /delivery/, generally one levels etc after pulling it off pallet but w/e, b) it's not a total shoop in the style of that retro pornshot mircea_popescu posted with the apple kb?
1548642;1474907325;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: well yes, you wouldn't level ON LOGS is the point.
1548643;1474907347;asciilifeform;and i wasn't implying (b)
1548644;1474907358;ben_vulpes;and i sure as heck /would/ clamber around on the thing poking at its innards before getting it off the delivery pallet.
1548645;1474907366;asciilifeform;just that it was a hasty 'we need a photo before tuesday' 'but sir, we haven't sold any reactor yet'
1548646;1474907374;ben_vulpes;what i find a bent panel, i'm going to put it back on the pallet?
1548647;1474907382;ben_vulpes;assuming pallet can be extracted whole etc
1548648;1474907403;ben_vulpes;point is the attitude that /reactor could be had/
1548649;1474907410;asciilifeform;reactor can be had today.
1548650;1474907423;asciilifeform;and it isn't as if it cost lunch money then.
1548651;1474907516;asciilifeform;at any rate, the linked ad is somewhat misleading, reactors were not then and are not now delivered whole like lathe etc., but rather built on-spec like church organs.
1548652;1474907540;ben_vulpes;misleading you say
1548653;1474907546;ben_vulpes;single page advert for reactor you say
1548654;1474907562;asciilifeform;lel
1548655;1474907593;ben_vulpes;looks like a patek ad to me tbqh
1548656;1474907629;*;asciilifeform when riding d.c. metro, often saw ads for, e.g., fighter jet. and always wanted to call in and ask for quote. 'whaddayamean it ain't for sale to the public, there was this ad on the Red Line...'
1548657;1474907653;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's patek ?
1548658;1474907782;ben_vulpes;!~s patek
1548659;1474907782;jhvh1;ben_vulpes: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
1548660;1474907827;ben_vulpes;!#s patek
1548661;1474907828;a111;13 results for "patek", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=patek
1548662;1474907832;asciilifeform;hm
1548663;1474907835;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2016/09/random-idiot-accepts-peoples-time-and-work-idiot-turns-around-and-sells-it-for-politics/#comment-71756
1548664;1474907848;ben_vulpes;ballas thread
1548665;1474907856;asciilifeform;aah the clock.
1548666;1474907864;asciilifeform;lol yes.
1548667;1474908920;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#97 << yeah, and it'll work just fine until someone bumps into it.
1548668;1474908921;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [16:24:02] <ben_vulpes> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548606 << looks like a standard delivery pallet for heavy stationaries
1548669;1474908986;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#102 << great!
1548670;1474908987;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [16:27:10] <asciilifeform> in other noose, asciilifeform finally scrubbed all (afaik) google js crapola from his www.
1548671;1474909036;mircea_popescu;nope, "recaptcha" still there.
1548672;1474909059;asciilifeform;that one ain't going nowhere.
1548673;1474909068;asciilifeform;i don't have a slave galley to manually filter spamolade.
1548674;1474909076;mircea_popescu;sucks.
1548675;1474909084;asciilifeform;i also lack reactor.
1548676;1474909316;mircea_popescu;but do you have the pellet ? :D
1548677;1474909325;mircea_popescu;never before did i realise what they mean by "pellet reactor"
1548678;1474909338;mircea_popescu;hopefully one day they manage to miniaturize it into a desktop item
1548679;1474909342;mircea_popescu;to be delivered on egg carton.
1548680;1474909662;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#119 << lmao. move along, citizen
1548681;1474909663;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [16:33:49] * asciilifeform when riding d.c. metro, often saw ads for, e.g., fighter jet. and always wanted to call in and ask for quote. 'whaddayamean it ain't for sale to the public, there was this ad on the Red Line...'
1548682;1474909722;trinque;I'd like one of those microwave pain trucks, please.
1548683;1474909765;mircea_popescu;o, you know that's becoming bsdm item ?
1548684;1474909769;mircea_popescu;apparently amply adjustable.
1548685;1474909785;asciilifeform;as presaged in herbert's 'dune' !11111
1548686;1474909797;trinque;gotta know if they're human!
1548687;1474909866;asciilifeform;'Let us say I suggest you may be human. Steady! I warn you not to try jerking away. I am old, but my hand can drive this needle into your neck before you can escape me.'
1548688;1474909888;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this is a mechanical impossibility.
1548689;1474909902;mircea_popescu;"victim" can spin away in two different directions, so it's at best a 50-50 shot
1548690;1474909932;asciilifeform;eh not if you have your hand around his neck
1548691;1474909947;mircea_popescu;well certainly not if required for dramatic purposes.
1548692;1474909990;mircea_popescu;anyway. let it be pointed out that reality has specific defenses built in to prevent ~most of what passes for good literature from ever happening.
1548693;1474910009;asciilifeform;it is pretty happy to let the bad literature happen ad infinitum though.
1548694;1474910014;mircea_popescu;oya.
1548695;1474910302;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where do the bdsm gear folk get the 90GHz gunn diode ? or lemme guess, they're using konsoomer ~2.4G magnetrons and roasting one another
1548696;1474911063;asciilifeform;(it isn't, however, that 90GHz doesn't roast a man, it is simply that it does it the old, medieval, outside-in way, rather than the slowly and subtly-lethal inside-out of <=2.4.
1548697;1474911064;asciilifeform;)
1548698;1474911191;asciilifeform;incidentally i find it quite hilarious that three years after the snowden catalogue leak, the constellation of symptoms of rf bug illuminator victims is still Officially 'schizo'
1548699;1474911246;asciilifeform;(and it isn't as if the rf-illuminated bug wasn't a motherfucking ~1950s~ invention by theremin himself, and it isn't as if the basic principle were not in use in every corner shop, every toll booth in usa, etc)
1548700;1474911582;asciilifeform;( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-07#1516502 << the last, iirc, thread on subj. )
1548701;1474911582;a111;Logged on 2016-08-07 14:36 asciilifeform: and, incidentally, microwave illuminators for audio bugs, as invented by leo thermen, still in use today worldwide.
1548702;1474911618;ben_vulpes;dsm serves 2 purposes: justification for stuffing kids full of weird corporate-fabbed psychoactives and to discredit enemies of socialism
1548703;1474912001;asciilifeform;i always found the rf-illuminated bug to be a puzzling thing from classical opsec perspective.
1548704;1474912005;asciilifeform;it isn't as if a 100W radio pointed at the victim were a subtle thing.
1548705;1474912035;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i've not investigated it too closely. who the fuck wants technology for this purpose.
1548706;1474912037;asciilifeform;anyone who is even vaguely aware of the possibility, can learn immediately when the thing is switched on, and from what direction.
1548707;1474912072;asciilifeform;i suspect it is a raw dr. mengele item, the buggers take particular delight in 'we are here and whatchagonnado about it' etc.
1548708;1474912100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is possibly interesting from an entomological perspective.
1548709;1474912121;asciilifeform;(and from scamatronic. i suspect that the item does not actually exist on the bdsm gear market, though some folks will happily take yer money)
1548710;1474912129;mircea_popescu;for the same money could run research project into "underground silicone clinics".
1548711;1474912141;asciilifeform;these are amply documented in BingoBoingo's material.
1548712;1474912147;mircea_popescu;or for that matter http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md8hfoUyCv1r4vgxqo1_1280.jpg
1548713;1474912156;asciilifeform;but the microwave box - is quite a well-kept secret
1548714;1474912164;asciilifeform;i was unable to turn up any public mention of such a thing.
1548715;1474912278;mircea_popescu;the main problem with the bdsm dorks is that they cultivate this bizarre air of mystery and whatnot. rarely do i actually feel inclined to cut through a thing of theirs.
1548716;1474912295;mircea_popescu;like you know, the "european bsdm castles" are still a thing in the vernacular. and probably always will be.
1548717;1474912344;asciilifeform;like the proverbial 'medieval elephant' paintings, the resemblance to reality will be a purely coincidental thing.
1548718;1474912380;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, they heard of it enough to fantasize about.
1548719;1474912396;asciilifeform;(not even wholly, as some imagine, a 'seekrit evidence' problem of 'where the fuck am i to get an elephant'. how many of'em could draw a remotely accurate map of the town they live in ??)
1548720;1474912418;mircea_popescu;nah, it's strictly a matter of "draw by description item never seen".
1548721;1474912436;mircea_popescu;you should see how contemporaneous egyptian artist renders the female neck and upper back assemblage.
1548722;1474912478;asciilifeform;what, jpeg never happened there ?
1548723;1474912650;mircea_popescu;apparently not.
1548724;1474912656;mircea_popescu;anyway, i shall bbl.
1548725;1474912956;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in darkest heathendom... http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q3/606
1548726;1474912966;asciilifeform;'When executing a program via the SELinux sandbox, the nonpriv session can escape to the parent session by using the TIOCSTI ioctl to push characters into the terminal's input buffer, allowing an attacker to escape the sandbox.'
1548727;1474913010;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy, shortest proof of concept i've yet seen for any of these.
1548728;1474913031;asciilifeform;'Are there any use cases for TIOCSTI other than producing exploits?'
1548729;1474913038;asciilifeform;ahahahahahaha
1548730;1474913060;asciilifeform;'On the BSDs TIOCSTI has been limited to the superuser since the 4.4BSD Lite 2 release in 1995'
1548731;1474914130;ben_vulpes;man this "secure messaging" horseshit is starting to get out of hand
1548732;1474914154;ben_vulpes;i understand banks not wanting to email me statements in plaintext, fine, whatever
1548733;1474914174;ben_vulpes;but to make me log into your braindead portal so i can review a 'secure document' telling me that my insurance payment went through?
1548734;1474914176;ben_vulpes;get stuffed!
1548735;1474914192;ben_vulpes;healthy distrust of email + plebs not grokking gpg
1548736;1474914194;ben_vulpes;worst
1548737;1474914217;ben_vulpes;good morning pete_dushenski
1548738;1474914230;pete_dushenski;mornin bv
1548739;1474914431;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-25#1548456 << done and done.
1548740;1474914431;a111;Logged on 2016-09-25 13:25 Framedragger: !~later tell pete_dushenski btw could you update the bots directory so that `!$ hello` means (something like) 'Prints "Hello, world!" and uptime of the bot'? (you can /msg scriba help). gracias.
1548741;1474914481;pete_dushenski;mod6: tested out your new vpatch over the weekend. worked like a charm!
1548742;1474914599;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548656 << you're not art nalls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PHcdn8R4d4
1548743;1474914599;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 16:33 asciilifeform when riding d.c. metro, often saw ads for, e.g., fighter jet. and always wanted to call in and ask for quote. 'whaddayamean it ain't for sale to the public, there was this ad on the Red Line...'
1548744;1474914633;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/24/im-too-lazy-and-other-excuses-that-people-say/#comment-50556
1548745;1474914689;pete_dushenski;not everything is randian
1548746;1474914924;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548660 << patek philippe was the watchmaker tlp randomly chose from economist advertisement to construct a story about the aspie 14%s that he didn't realise he was so deeply entrenched in, as discussed previously : http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/10/the-danger-of-unchecked-assumptions-or-the-surprising-depths-of-inequality/
1548747;1474914924;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 16:37 ben_vulpes: !#s patek
1548748;1474915079;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2016/09/random-idiot-accepts-peoples-time-and-work-idiot-turns-around-and-sells-it-for-politics/#comment-71756 << ha i was also wondering wtf pubkey block was doing there.
1548749;1474915173;mod6;<+pete_dushenski> mod6: tested out your new vpatch over the weekend. worked like a charm! << heeey thanks!
1548750;1474915333;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/780383676148350976 << virginian police either can't afford to keep their government motors vehicles running, or want a little more, ahem, privacy when dealing with dem coloured folks.
1548751;1474915409;pete_dushenski;http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-situation-sends-cops-houston-strip-mall-n654281 << shooter was lawyer, drove porsche boxster. was 'living the dream' but still 'in hell while everyone else is in heaven' apparently.
1548752;1474916971;PeterL;http://bit.csc.lsu.edu/~gb/csc4101/Reading/gigo-1997-04.html << for asciilifeform, the true story behind ada
1548753;1474917430;asciilifeform;PeterL: ancient classic
1548754;1474917481;asciilifeform;iirc there was a similar, though not as gut-bustingly funny piece on c++.
1548755;1474917831;trinque;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-15#1019438
1548756;1474917831;a111;Logged on 2015-02-15 06:59 ben_vulpes: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
1548757;1474917858;asciilifeform;aha trinque yes
1548758;1474917859;asciilifeform;that one.
1548759;1474917929;asciilifeform;trinque: unrelatedly, i forgot to mention in my piece re smartprobe, that you gotta power cycle it after it takes the pill, before it is cured.
1548760;1474917955;trinque;k
1548761;1474918112;asciilifeform;trinque: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/31vhs/?raw=true << this gdb config will get you started. (and yes i will write a proper article at some point)
1548762;1474918161;asciilifeform;oh and if you like idapro and got a box with it, you can put the probe on your lan (it'll dhcp) and remote-gdb to it.
1548763;1474918288;asciilifeform;(in that variant it still needs 5v dc over usb plug, but don't try to run two sessions over same probe simultaneously, it will do strange things)
1548764;1474918566;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548742 << oblig thread >> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-26#934786
1548765;1474918566;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 18:29 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548656 << you're not art nalls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PHcdn8R4d4
1548766;1474918566;a111;Logged on 2014-11-26 00:46 asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
1548767;1474918597;asciilifeform;and all inquiries re the ups'n'downs of private ownership of small jet airplane - straight to mthreat, who (iirc) has a mig.
1548768;1474918620;asciilifeform;!~seen mthreat
1548769;1474918620;jhvh1;asciilifeform: I have not seen mthreat.
1548770;1474918623;asciilifeform;hm.
1548771;1474918639;pete_dushenski;wasn't mthreat in argentina ?
1548772;1474918644;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whatever became of mthreat
1548773;1474918654;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: yes, he's a friend of mircea_popescu's, and was at c3
1548774;1474918667;pete_dushenski;!!rated mircea_popescu mthreat
1548775;1474918667;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated mthreat 2 at 2014/06/21 04:42:17 << Awesome search ; coffee
1548776;1474918715;pete_dushenski;if mthreat reappears he should write a searcher for Framedragger
1548777;1474918790;Framedragger;i'll take some of that coffee, too
1548778;1474918907;asciilifeform;<asciilifeform> ;;seen mthreat
1548779;1474918907;asciilifeform;<gribble> mthreat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <mthreat> !s buttman
1548780;1474918914;asciilifeform;long before the great schism.
1548781;1474918928;asciilifeform;i have nfi where he went. presumably if fella wanted to be found, he'd be found.
1548782;1474918934;ben_vulpes;oh man that ada piece
1548783;1474919000;pete_dushenski;in other nooz, rip arnold palmer (golf legend, main jack nicklaus rival)
1548784;1474919312;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-15#1019438 << my god this is great; and accurate
1548785;1474919312;a111;Logged on 2015-02-15 06:59 ben_vulpes: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all
1548786;1474919752;asciilifeform;trinque et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/g2.jpg << 'gizmo2' board booting up the random crummy linux thing that comes with it.
1548787;1474927001;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: i know. the notion of evil existing because good men do nothing seemed to become popular with the muricans during the objectivism movement attributed to rand
1548788;1474927012;thestringpuller;then again I'm not a philosopher, so don't take my word for it
1548789;1474927165;thestringpuller;damn is jurov MIA?
1548790;1474927793;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> in other nooz, rip arnold palmer (golf legend, main jack nicklaus rival) << Eh, his death wasn't that unfair http://qntra.net/2016/09/refugee-death-displaces-electoral-noise-from-us-national-conversation-on-eve-of-debate/
1548791;1474929235;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#189 <<< ahhaha that's so adorkable.
1548792;1474929235;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [18:02:46] <asciilifeform> 'When executing a program via the SELinux sandbox, the nonpriv session can escape to the parent session by using the TIOCSTI ioctl to push characters into the terminal's input buffer, allowing an attacker to escape the sandbox.'
1548793;1474929255;mircea_popescu;^H^H^H trick never goes away
1548794;1474929372;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#195 << they should email them exactly like i "email" BingoBoingo qntra submissions. wtf already, rsa or you're not a bank.
1548795;1474929373;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [18:22:34] <ben_vulpes> i understand banks not wanting to email me statements in plaintext, fine, whatever
1548796;1474929419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are the people who are still (afaik) using motherfucking 512-bit rsa INTERNALLY.
1548797;1474929436;mircea_popescu;the russian hackers made them do it.
1548798;1474929449;asciilifeform;with STUPIDITY RAY
1548799;1474929460;asciilifeform;greatest seeekrit veepon of the cold wor.
1548800;1474929547;mircea_popescu;you don't understand these things because not a citizen mkay
1548801;1474929549;ben_vulpes;"fuck, buddy, if i ever see the string `PHPSESSID` i /know/ things have gone /completely/ off the rails"
1548802;1474929555;ben_vulpes;(in an ios codebase)
1548803;1474929578;mircea_popescu;would you prefer $___SECURE_token ?
1548804;1474929619;ben_vulpes;political economy doesn't much care for what i'd prefer
1548805;1474929634;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lol, to my undying shame i'ma citizen of the lande of the phreee
1548806;1474929659;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform probably just to spy on the land of the brave better.
1548807;1474929665;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat
1548808;1474929670;asciilifeform;also to vote for vermin supreme.
1548809;1474929672;mircea_popescu;it's not REAL okay.
1548810;1474929684;asciilifeform;yeah i have nfi where to get the real.
1548811;1474929691;mircea_popescu;o hey, imagine if you vote hillary and she wins by one vote.
1548812;1474929715;asciilifeform;what happens then, do i get to take'er home as a pet.
1548813;1474929735;asciilifeform;or does each of the other N-1 idiots get to.
1548814;1474929768;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#238 << i dunno, enjoying life i expect.
1548815;1474929769;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [19:37:24] <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: whatever became of mthreat
1548816;1474929791;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you get to vote her for a second term in 2020!
1548817;1474929806;asciilifeform;heil clitler.
1548818;1474929875;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160926/#252 << did you take this picture with flashlight under the covers
1548819;1474929875;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-26: [19:55:52] <asciilifeform> trinque et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/g2.jpg << 'gizmo2' board booting up the random crummy linux thing that comes with it.
1548820;1474929972;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with autoexposing soapbox
1548821;1474929976;asciilifeform;and it shows
1548822;1474930723;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what's the latest and greatest on the ripping apart of the last kirchner?
1548823;1474930743;mircea_popescu;nothing much.
1548824;1474930787;mircea_popescu;in fairness, argentina is very... how shall we put this so it respects their soberania... very precociously ejaculatory. for the first ten minutes or so, an encounter with an argentinotard looks like a normal date. after that...
1548825;1474930842;BingoBoingo;lol
1548826;1474930901;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo in other lulz, i reviewed over coffee the TWELVE PAGE ad some local tv beauty / whore took out for herself.
1548827;1474930914;BingoBoingo;Oh, how was it?
1548828;1474930919;BingoBoingo;Did you buy?
1548829;1474930979;mircea_popescu;the salient points being that "she's only 22", that "she's grown up - before, she'd jump into a bed just as soon as being kicked out of another, but now she even rented her first departamento", that "her ex isn't going to breach the restraining order, and that time when he beat her in the club it was a month after the first such order expired" and finally that her mother "also suffered amorouslyt with a lot of men"
1548830;1474930986;mircea_popescu;great pair of tits on her, and that's about it.
1548831;1474931011;mircea_popescu;i dun think it can be practically conveyed just how ghetto these schmucks actually are.
1548832;1474931035;mircea_popescu;!#google barbie velez
1548833;1474931039;mircea_popescu;(i couldn't make this shit up)
1548834;1474931047;*;BingoBoingo must investigate
1548835;1474931224;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548787 << ustards also think they invented foreign interventionism, democratic socialism, feminism, and probably shoelaces. what ustards think is au courrant and fresh and spicy and hot and buzzing and trending and new has more to do with their illiteracy and impatience than historical bearing.
1548836;1474931224;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 21:56 thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: i know. the notion of evil existing because good men do nothing seemed to become popular with the muricans during the objectivism movement attributed to rand
1548837;1474931253;mircea_popescu;they did invent velcro though.
1548838;1474931281;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548790 << because he was old white male ? this is the ultimate unfairness! who cares about another dead spic n' span.
1548839;1474931281;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 22:09 BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> in other nooz, rip arnold palmer (golf legend, main jack nicklaus rival) << Eh, his death wasn't that unfair http://qntra.net/2016/09/refugee-death-displaces-electoral-noise-from-us-national-conversation-on-eve-of-debate/
1548840;1474931302;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: aha. and manned moon landing.
1548841;1474931420;pete_dushenski;in more personal news, turns out the local utility landscape is pretty diverse. deregulation twenty years ago and today ~25 power-flowers blossom.
1548842;1474931468;*;pete_dushenski is about to pay utility bills for the first time. ever.
1548843;1474931570;ben_vulpes;parents finally kicked ya out?
1548844;1474931572;ben_vulpes;:P
1548845;1474931576;pete_dushenski;turns out it's all cheap as fuck. so that's a plus. ~$2/gj for natural gas and ~$0.03/kw for leccy.
1548846;1474931616;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone ever noticed how fucking ugly twitter hq is ?
1548847;1474931617;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: parents finally making kulak chitlin pay his fair share!
1548848;1474931623;mircea_popescu;move in a sugar cube why don't you.
1548849;1474931786;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/no-but-theres-karma-kramer/ << Trilema - No but there's karma, Kramer!
1548850;1474931873;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: next they'll be asking me for my own gasoline. i swear. LIFE IS SO UNFAIR!!1
1548851;1474932043;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#comment-119248 <--> http://trilema.com/2014/today-is-the-international-day-of-remembering-how-mircea-popescu-is-better-than-me-and-related-observances/
1548852;1474932072;mircea_popescu;totally forgot eh!
1548853;1474932120;pete_dushenski;should be on auto-repeat on calendar or something
1548854;1474932230;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: illiteracy and impatience << I'ma borrow that pl0x
1548855;1474932328;pete_dushenski;i give it freely and without reservation
1548856;1474932370;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Eh the gopher has some drink named after him, and the drink isn't cool enough to have booze. The refugee shut people up about the two aspects of Clinton for nearly a day.
1548857;1474932491;pete_dushenski;except arnie's aa-aproved drink will be with us long after the clintons are but a distant memory. point : arnie.
1548858;1474932757;BingoBoingo;Not aa-approved. Caffeine content falls under standards.
1548859;1474932790;BingoBoingo;Anyway, after his death it has already been renamed the Rosie Palmer for gendered inequity.
1548860;1474932793;pete_dushenski;then use better tea. green or something.
1548861;1474932896;deedbot;http://cascadianhacker.com/socialist-trolley-problem << CH - Socialist Trolley Problem
1548862;1474932920;pete_dushenski;http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/dana_carney/pdf_My%20position%20on%20power%20poses.pdf << 'power pose' academic recants. pseudoscience was threatening to sink her ship, she jumped aboard life raft at the last possible second. waves of climatologists following suit imminent.
1548863;1474933175;thestringpuller;damn i'm going to make some lavender ice tea now
1548864;1474934211;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: comment pending. (no auto-approve after first comment ?)
1548865;1474936066;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548846 << that's what $900/sf buys you in the shriveled heart of bezzlelandia. also, it's really just the gaudy twitter signage mucking up the design. the building is perhaps on the soviet/slabby side, but it's not without its charming details, particularly the entabulatures.
1548866;1474936066;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 23:13 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone ever noticed how fucking ugly twitter hq is ?
1548867;1474936762;asciilifeform;is there ddos of both logtrons currently or wat.
1548868;1474937101;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i have nfi
1548869;1474937758;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/26/the-thing-libertarians-get-wrong-about-property-rights-or-why-im-not-a-libertarian/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The thing Libertarians get wrong about property rights, or why I’m not a Libertarian.
1548870;1474937792;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: huh. i thought mp-wp woulda had that setting. my second comment on that first article went through unimpeded.
1548871;1474937841;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: whatever it was, it's gone now. both load ~instantly.
1548872;1474937887;pete_dushenski;and with that, ima go catch a bit of this clitler roast. bbl.
1548873;1474939519;mod6;lol
1548874;1474939702;*;mircea_popescu reading on cascadia... "you stand by a switch. her buttocks are really inviting but her nipples are really erect..."
1548875;1474944064;trinque;heh, neither of these idiots can form coherent sentences.
1548876;1474944071;*;trinque shall not be watching the next "debate"
1548877;1474944625;phf;trinque: ru has a phrase to describe the nature of that debate: "ура наши победили" direct translation is "yaay ours have won!!". specific word choice evokes early soviet propaganda movies, where "ours" were of course the red cavalry, and the phrase would typically be uttered by some country bumpkin recruited for the cause of the revolution.
1548878;1474944863;phf;the phrase can be used, when, for example, representatives of your village have successfully beat up representatives of neighboring village, your favorite football team has won, etc.
1548879;1474945204;trinque;hundreds of millions of guns, and all it amounts to is blacks burning down their own neighborhood and lawyers from the suburbs shooting up the shopping center my girlfriend was at yesterday buying sewing stuff.
1548880;1474945297;trinque;nation of cowards going insane because they're facing death like animals, without the ability to reason.
1548881;1474945376;phf;not having died yet, i'm more concerned about living like animals part..
1548882;1474945383;trinque;phf: I figure the end of these things is basically the aggregate of however many million mental breakdowns.
1548883;1474945591;phf;nah, preventing that is what the antidepressants are for
1548884;1474945601;trinque;such progress!
1548885;1474946239;asciilifeform;lel i was all this time debugging a turd under winxp and i dare say i had moar fun than you lot.
1548886;1474946252;asciilifeform;at least those of you who partook in the usgola circus.
1548887;1474946422;trinque;jm
1548888;1474946426;trinque;whoops
1548889;1474946432;trinque;asciilifeform: I do not doubt it
1548890;1474946450;BingoBoingo;"Clinton said she'd like to see Trump travel to 112 countries, negotiate peace deals, 'or even spend 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee, he can talk to me about stamina.' She also insinuated RACISM was at bay. "This is a man who has called women pigs, slobs and dogs," she added." << NBC's LEIGH Ann Caldwell on Clinton on Trump. RACISM!!!
1548891;1474946505;*;BingoBoingo glad he went to soberity hour instead
1548892;1474946950;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5327
1548893;1474947246;trinque;was about to criticize, then saw "Doris"
1548894;1474947270;*;trinque went to a school like that in FL, broke one of their noses, didn't have any problems
1548895;1474947510;BingoBoingo;You poor insufficiently priviledged thing.
1548896;1474947515;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5321
1548897;1474947580;trinque;hell, one of them stabbed me in the leg with a pencil one time, so I did what any gentleman would do.
1548898;1474947582;trinque;I stabbed it back.
1548899;1474947644;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#14 << even better when they ~haven't~
1548900;1474947644;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-27: [02:54:23] <phf> the phrase can be used, when, for example, representatives of your village have successfully beat up representatives of neighboring village, your favorite football team has won, etc.
1548901;1474947651;BingoBoingo;Well, now that you are older and wiser, mebbe next time you take you your utility knife and relocate their urinary exit?
1548902;1474947690;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#16 << this is actually remarkably apt.
1548903;1474947690;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-27: [03:01:37] <trinque> nation of cowards going insane because they're facing death like animals, without the ability to reason.
1548904;1474947951;mircea_popescu;lol racism through "calling women pigs", because totally a) women are a race b) claiming "racism" is how you win at politics c) everyone really cares about your misrepresentations of the hater op's sayings and assorted aphorisms.
1548905;1474947966;mircea_popescu;hated*
1548906;1474947993;trinque;I was sad he behaved, though not surprised.
1548907;1474948037;mod6;400 lb neckbeards
1548908;1474948048;mircea_popescu;becoming women ?
1548909;1474948049;mod6;lels
1548910;1474948072;mod6;And, clitler looked like the conductor of the band on the deck of the Titanic.
1548911;1474948080;mircea_popescu;also remarkably apt.
1548912;1474948103;trinque;aha, smiling like "you'll be *fine*!"
1548913;1474948103;asciilifeform;snore 'debate' snore parallel construction for getWinner() { return "clitler"; }
1548914;1474948128;mircea_popescu;"america dun need to be made great again because i can pretend the year is still 1980 and reagan's in charge any time i want!"
1548915;1474948148;mircea_popescu;she ain't got a latrine pig's prayer in the latrine, alfie.
1548916;1474948200;asciilifeform;lel mircea_popescu still thinks anybody actually counts votes?
1548917;1474948215;mircea_popescu;not particularly related.
1548918;1474948228;asciilifeform;dun see how not ?
1548919;1474948232;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5312
1548920;1474948234;mircea_popescu;well what can i tell ya.
1548921;1474948371;BingoBoingo;"This is gossip warfare, going to war in order to have the right to tell other peoples how to live, how to treat their wives, how to manage their economy." << Gold
1548922;1474948391;mircea_popescu;why the fuck else did anyone ever go to war ?!
1548923;1474948449;BingoBoingo;"But to a woman, to a creature of gossip, the thought that another nation might be listening in on her private conversations, is cause for war! What is even more disturbing is that more women vote than men, a higher proportion of women vote than do men, and that women are far more likely to vote for war than are men." << Moar
1548924;1474948538;trinque;If one currently looks to YouTube videos, it will become incredibly apparent that women are more aggressive and more violent than man, will fight cops at a higher rate, are more likely to attack men than are men, are more likely to attack women than are men, and are more likely to try and maim a downed opponent than are men. << but then he goes and does that.
1548925;1474948563;trinque;clearly, given youtube! therefore.
1548926;1474948579;mircea_popescu;eh, these are murky complex waters. not really within ex boxer's paygrade.
1548927;1474948785;mircea_popescu;and in other "the hand that munches the cookie is connected to a large belly" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/de646e4c28c48f686900382c2717a82d/tumblr_ndkbbhwY381tgc5huo1_1280.jpg
1548928;1474948821;BingoBoingo;relatit http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5311
1548929;1474948823;*;trinque lols, but knows not why
1548930;1474948851;trinque;this "female violence" theory is only applicable insofar as it describes something women do in the total absence of functioning males
1548931;1474948888;trinque;as such ought not be discussed as any sort of cause of the thing.
1548932;1474948907;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone (of the married with children contingent) know what braxton hicks contractions are ?
1548933;1474949092;mircea_popescu;http://preggotummys.tumblr.com/post/111569668432/misshellenroxx-the-other-day-i-was-told-that << companion lolz.
1548934;1474949233;mircea_popescu;and now back to the issue : human sexuality is an intertwined ball of yarn, with layer upon layer of complex mechanisms driven over many years by the erosion of evolution. just plain obstetrics holds plenty of mysteries to the average folk (quick, what's cervical effacement ?), and so wide sweeping, far reaching discussions of third and above degree effects, such as the social behaviour of "war" are bound to be pretty nonsens
1548935;1474949233;mircea_popescu;ical.
1548936;1474949273;mircea_popescu;but yes, by and large men will fight "for" women. cuz for what the fuck else, aliens ?
1548937;1474949389;BingoBoingo;LIZARDS!
1548938;1474949415;mircea_popescu;heh.
1548939;1474949431;BingoBoingo;Anyways, a bit on the meta-Lafondiverse http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=5306
1548940;1474949558;mircea_popescu;"when he finds out his lead used the company gas card to drive a mini-bus full of whores to Ocean City" dude who the fuck would be upset over this ?
1548941;1474949563;BingoBoingo;Still people suck at evaluating risk and severity. People get all panicked because there's a wee bit of nutsedge in their lawn, it's bruise. At the same time they'll ignore the bermudagrass taking over, and that shit is stage IV lawn cancer.
1548942;1474949568;mircea_popescu;seriously now. what fucking trite boring nitwits are these ?
1548943;1474949593;BingoBoingo;Rabbinical sheep?
1548944;1474949626;mircea_popescu;dude if the company can't afford to ferry some women to the designated fuckbeach it should be rolled up anyway.
1548945;1474949715;BingoBoingo;Some bipeds don't know how to budget, yet still try to business. Very sick fact, but fact.
1548946;1474949736;mircea_popescu;and then ~they~ look down on the whores.
1548947;1474949813;BingoBoingo;Well its the blub thing. They don't grok the more srs bsns.
1548948;1474950248;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all
1548949;1474950267;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 603.0, vol: 4310.52045643 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 607.731, vol: 3491.65003 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 608.01, vol: 3300.92455516 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 605.388238, vol: 302459.10790000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 606.99, vol: 736.81062458 | Volume-weighted last average: 605.412800565
1548950;1474950283;BingoBoingo;!~ticker --market all --currency rmb
1548951;1474950287;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4040.81, vol: 302475.77190000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4040.81
1548952;1474952289;BingoBoingo;!!up th3nolo
1548953;1474952289;deedbot;th3nolo voiced for 30 minutes.
1548954;1474952379;th3nolo;thanks..
1548955;1474952750;BingoBoingo;Introduce yourself. Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1548956;1474952800;th3nolo;is you and you are chatting right now with me ?
1548957;1474952807;th3nolo;my *daddy
1548958;1474953398;BingoBoingo;Oh
1548959;1474953446;BingoBoingo;Well that complicate things. I'm only at step 3. There's still six more steps before I can make amends for not knowing you existed.
1548960;1474953455;BingoBoingo;!~step9
1548961;1474953455;jhvh1;9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
1548962;1474953518;BingoBoingo;Anyways register a key, give someone a reason to rate you and you can !!up yourself eventually
1548963;1474953710;BingoBoingo;th3nolo: Many have tried to find and easier, softer way, but they could not. With all the earnestness at you command register a GPG key and welcome to the future.
1548964;1474953750;th3nolo;i'm doing that..
1548965;1474953885;BingoBoingo;Also buy a plant. If after one year the plant is thriving you may buy a dog. If after one year it is thriving you may think about starting a srs bsns.
1548966;1474954000;BingoBoingo;And remember that faith without works (for the Republic) is dead.
1548967;1474954303;BingoBoingo;!!up th3nolo
1548968;1474954303;deedbot;th3nolo voiced for 30 minutes.
1548969;1474954306;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep
1548970;1474954339;th3nolo;ok
1548971;1474954411;BingoBoingo;If you wait patiently another peer will be with you shortly. IRC is contrary to popular misconceptions a slow medium, but within 24 hours you should recieve a reply so direct your inqueries.
1548972;1474954462;BingoBoingo;And type the string into your chatbox: !~ty
1548973;1474954944;th3nolo;!-ty
1548974;1474954948;th3nolo;!~ty
1548975;1474954948;jhvh1;You are very welcome Daddy
1548976;1474954957;th3nolo;oh.
1548977;1474954968;th3nolo;for the advice
1548978;1474973014;mircea_popescu;lmao BingoBoingo stop hassling noobs omaygerd
1548979;1474974631;thestringpuller;!~seen jurov
1548980;1474974632;jhvh1;thestringpuller: jurov was last seen in #trilema 2 days, 18 hours, 3 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <jurov> phf: zero width is prolly okay, negative-width-joiner would be illegal
1548981;1474974645;thestringpuller;damn. he sick again?
1548982;1474974648;thestringpuller;poor guy.
1548983;1474974807;mircea_popescu;you know people can go a coupla days being busy with, eg, a new lover, a dead family member, buying a new piece of real estate / boat / etcetera.
1548984;1474977098;thestringpuller;seems that way
1548985;1474977479;thestringpuller;hi davout o/
1548986;1474977488;davout;ohai
1548987;1474977503;thestringpuller;how's retirement?
1548988;1474977567;davout;pretty good actually, got my residence permit today
1548989;1474977622;davout;which kinda looks like a badly forged drivers license a 20-yo ustard would use to go have drinks
1548990;1474979625;thestringpuller;oh nice! so just chillin' for now? a break is good every now and then.
1548991;1474982161;asciilifeform;aaaah and i think i found a bug in a111
1548992;1474982178;asciilifeform;it refused to log 'oversized' turd at all
1548993;1474982204;asciilifeform;shows up (cut off, inside 'mircea_popescu would tell us which room to enter next')
1548994;1474982210;asciilifeform;in Framedragger's log
1548995;1474982309;asciilifeform;( http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#132 )
1548996;1474982310;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-27: [13:14:42] <asciilifeform> 
ACTION woke up from dream where we had 4th conf. this time, at mircea_popescu's house, which turned out to be a gigantic repurposed office park, wunderwaffen in every room, even the nazi 'Glocke' neutron generator; we sat in a great hall and drank mead and thanked odin for the gift of valour; then went to the tank room and each pulled gigantic sea
1548997;1474982311;scriba;slugs, shaped like various animals, e.g., pig, out of a tank, and by the choice mircea_p
1548998;1474982333;asciilifeform;there, now it is in both logs, if only like this...
1548999;1474982491;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://archive.is/cgpZD >> 'This botnet with 145607 cameras/dvr (1-30Mbps per IP) is able to send >1.5Tbps DDoS. Type: tcp/ack, tcp/ack+psh, tcp/syn.'
1549000;1474982499;asciilifeform;USE MOAR TCP
1549001;1474982543;asciilifeform;GIVE MOAR TO ALLCOMERZ
1549002;1474982800;asciilifeform;SYN! SYN!SYN!SYN!SYN! http://oglaf.com/humans
1549003;1474984924;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/heel/
1549004;1474985589;mircea_popescu;loller alfie
1549005;1474985614;mircea_popescu;fwiw i see 
ACTION with the first glyph rendered as 0001
1549006;1474985783;asciilifeform;aha also
1549007;1474985845;mircea_popescu;ohv, possibly the world's shittiest host in terms of all the spam/abuse/assorted crap they push out.
1549008;1474985849;mircea_popescu;ovh*
1549009;1474986002;mircea_popescu;http://www.submarinecablemap.com/#/submarine-cable/gemini-bermuda << this is pretty good.
1549010;1474986253;phf;so that ^AACTION is actually how irc encodes /me's
1549011;1474986258;mircea_popescu;yea
1549012;1474986272;mircea_popescu; / goes out as ^A
1549013;1474986347;phf;so there's at least two bugs happening here :) somehow it's missing from btcbase and Framedragger's znc (or is it the python bot) is leaking ACTION marks
1549014;1474986376;mircea_popescu;cuz generally you're supposed to replace ^A with eg *
1549015;1474986409;phf;well, if Framedragger is still parsing the znc logs, then znc does it for you. it'll be <foo> blah, or * foo blah or somesuch
1549016;1474986413;mircea_popescu;a leading example implementation of asciilifeform 's point re "ascii is like naked people"
1549017;1474986437;phf;btcbase actually parses ACTION messages and turns the record into message-self
1549018;1474986529;phf;(it's possible the message is missing for other reasons though, that's on august 27th, i.e. the day when i left for burn and btcbase was being spammed to oblivion)
1549019;1474987556;asciilifeform;phf: message in question was sent ~hour ago.
1549020;1474987582;asciilifeform;not aug 27.
1549021;1474988109;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/f2ogI << in unrelated lelz.
1549022;1474988148;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that glocke bs is something else. seriously, rando pole came up with some nutty shit in 2000 and the murican joseph smiths ran with it ?
1549023;1474988152;mircea_popescu;"red mercury" y compris ?
1549024;1474988156;mircea_popescu;the humanity.
1549025;1474988165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh you're looking at the nato snow job
1549026;1474988228;asciilifeform;(granted we dun have the actual facts, beyond a landing manifest from buenos aires in '45 where germans unloaded ~something massive~ from a 6-engined monster junkers. but the 'red mercury', 'alien corpses', etc. are what the disinfo folk spray onto anything they dun want in the literature.)
1549027;1474988275;mircea_popescu;well, the origin is a single report from a pole (ie, nato) who is a literal re-enaction of historical mormon guy.
1549028;1474988284;mircea_popescu;literally, the angel moroni showed him some sikrit documents ?
1549029;1474988294;mircea_popescu;im surprised no seer stones in a hat were involved.
1549030;1474988378;asciilifeform;if he'd mentioned those, mircea_popescu would see it for the redmercury sprayjob it was.
1549031;1474988425;asciilifeform;at any rate, it does not stretch the bounds of the plausible that germany had a clumsy, bulky neutron source.
1549032;1474988427;mircea_popescu;so which part of the nonsense is part of your accepted reconstruction ? i don't imagine sponeaneous margerinization of plant matter for a 150 to 200 m radius makes it in?
1549033;1474988437;mircea_popescu;~undirected~ neutron source ?
1549034;1474988450;mircea_popescu;also, the effects described aren't quite what neutron beams do.
1549035;1474988456;asciilifeform;forget the pole !
1549036;1474988462;mircea_popescu;then tell the story.
1549037;1474988469;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: are you familiar with real-life neutron tube ? didja think it is ~directed~ ?!
1549038;1474988482;mircea_popescu;it's a tube dood not a fucking bell.
1549039;1474988499;asciilifeform;if you have a directed one, you can turn that $B into $2B right now.
1549040;1474988524;mircea_popescu;look. what source of neutrons do you have in mind other than a linear accelerator ?
1549041;1474988584;asciilifeform;in point of fact there are two (not counting the small kind you can make on your desk right now out of a smoke detector and beryllium sheet) in commercial use
1549042;1474988592;asciilifeform;one is the accelerator
1549043;1474988601;asciilifeform;other is farnsworth's.
1549044;1474988611;asciilifeform;this is kindergarten material. (granted, it was not in '45)
1549045;1474988633;asciilifeform;neither gives you a directed beam.
1549046;1474988637;asciilifeform;interestingly.
1549047;1474988643;mircea_popescu;well it'd help if you said that. ie, "a clumsy, bulky fusor" not "a clumsy, bulky neutron source"
1549048;1474988706;mircea_popescu;anyway. yes it wouldn't stretch the bounds of the plausible, seeing how eg tesla was dicking around with high electrostatic potentials for his principal entertainment.
1549049;1474988851;mircea_popescu;now, if they managed to source a megawatt, which seems dubious, and if they managed to get the usual 10^5 power loss, which seems also dubious, even if we grant they had the concept 30 years early, then it follows that they might have made 100 watt worth of neutron source.
1549050;1474988873;asciilifeform;fwiw, armchair archaeology of german physics is complicated by the fact that in '45 everyone who was anyone in that wot was jumping out of his shirt to market himself to the americans with fanciful legend
1549051;1474988884;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1549052;1474988934;asciilifeform;it does not however follow that german physics was all vapourware. it was not - turned into the engineering works of the 50s.
1549053;1474988964;mircea_popescu;well sure, but there's a difference between the Vs, which actually did land in london, and in abundance bordering on public nuisance
1549054;1474988973;mircea_popescu;and mysterious single-reference bells.
1549055;1474989032;asciilifeform;plenty of junk gets made in qty==1 and forgotten. but if it's bulky and expensive, and, bonus, makes for picturesque workplace fatalities, it can take on a second life in crackpot archaeology.
1549056;1474989085;mircea_popescu;it doesn't seem likely the device they might have built would have killed much of anyone ; moreover the story of "fatalties" is how pubescent males always tend to lend a shrowd of cool to their fantasious fabrications.
1549057;1474989087;asciilifeform;the reason i regard the matter of the bell interesting at all, is that the very same disinfo tactics are in use by modern usg.
1549058;1474989098;mircea_popescu;im sure the journalist had a bunch of girlfriends "that died" back when he was 13.
1549059;1474989114;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/chauncey/ << pic vaguely related.
1549060;1474989121;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one dude who eats a beam can magnify, with passage of time and armchair, into 'many liquid corpses' etc.
1549061;1474989210;mircea_popescu;especially given that it REALLY helps the story, "oh, last summer i went to this secret palace where all the girls are 19 and spend the whole day nude. unfortunately they all died. curse of the nudist palace."
1549062;1474989254;asciilifeform;el dorados were moar fun when you could still hide'em in unpainted section of the map.
1549063;1474989442;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any idea why it  would be that fucking big ? you don't really gain much by making the outer cage 3 meters wide.
1549064;1474989452;asciilifeform;shield.
1549065;1474989458;asciilifeform;same reason modern reactor is a pig.
1549066;1474989458;mircea_popescu;i thought this thing killed people.
1549067;1474989463;mircea_popescu;through a meter thick shield ? how ?
1549068;1474989471;asciilifeform;through the business end ?
1549069;1474989494;mircea_popescu;ugh. so 5 out of 7 people who made it accidentally looked down the barrel ?
1549070;1474989504;mircea_popescu;how stupid are these nazis again ?
1549071;1474989527;asciilifeform;again we're touching the electric wire of the mormon cover.
1549072;1474989585;mircea_popescu;so it wouldn't stretch the bounds of the plausible if the nazis had an early, low efficiency, fusor-like thing ; which would have been no larger than a doberman ; and so isn't related to either some random polish dude's fantasies of "my village is special - look, that mountainside, is where thor sat down!" or whatever argentina landing bills.
1549073;1474989607;*;mircea_popescu is fully satisfied with "precious metals" explanation re that, fwiw.
1549074;1474989670;asciilifeform;since it was not obvious, i will point out, 'nazi bell' is a ~proverbial~ object, with some basis in factual history, sorta like the cross of jizzus etc.
1549075;1474989687;asciilifeform;not an actual item i expect to find in mircea_popescu's closet if we go drinkin'
1549076;1474989696;mircea_popescu;wasn't obvious at all, i spent an hour this morning wading through pseudoscience swamp because of you!
1549077;1474989701;asciilifeform;lelz
1549078;1474989959;asciilifeform;ftr, my own digs led me to the hypothesis that germany had, contrary to american official legend, a considerably cheaper method of refining U than the idiot calutron, as early as '43
1549079;1474989969;mircea_popescu;anyway. my fault for not keeping current on physical crackpottery i guess
1549080;1474990009;asciilifeform;and that much of the squid ink we see on subj, then and now, is to obscure the how, who, and what.
1549081;1474990016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this theory is altogether dubious because one of the richest u fields in all of europe was in romania, cvasi-native u-in-quartz deposits. which went unbothered until the 50s, when the soviets dug them up.
1549082;1474990025;mircea_popescu;!!up rAISellers
1549083;1474990026;deedbot;rAISellers voiced for 30 minutes.
1549084;1474990045;asciilifeform;U is really not uncommon.
1549085;1474990054;asciilifeform;'rich fields' only became interesting when the demand shot up.
1549086;1474990065;mircea_popescu;i dunno. maybe.
1549087;1474990071;asciilifeform;sorta like petroleum.
1549088;1474990084;mircea_popescu;however - the easy access petroleum, as well as copper, iron etc was hit first.
1549089;1474990097;mircea_popescu;so you'd have expected them to ; romania was an ally after all ; and they did hit the oilfields.
1549090;1474990113;asciilifeform;aha, and the places there the water was yellow from the U, were mined first, correct
1549091;1474990168;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1548932 << braxton hicks are a pre-labor contractions that are painful and annoying to the woman, can start up to a couple months before actual labor, sort of an on-again, off-again random contraction at various intervals (contrast with actual contractions which come at a steady rate and build in intensity)
1549092;1474990168;a111;Logged on 2016-09-27 04:01 mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone (of the married with children contingent) know what braxton hicks contractions are ?
1549093;1474990200;mircea_popescu;PeterL word. you can also induce them through masturbation ; and the process can result in a slight increase in amniotic fluid.
1549094;1474990218;PeterL;useful to know, I guess
1549095;1474990247;mircea_popescu;can come in handy, if you're for instance repressing men-talking-about-women-and-society-their-own-way.
1549096;1474990258;rAISellers;$register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
1549097;1474990275;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's that work
1549098;1474990295;mircea_popescu;rAISellers use !!register
1549099;1474990362;rAISellers;!!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
1549100;1474990365;deedbot;Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
1549101;1474990375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the whole thing was centered around "third and above degree effects, such as the social behaviour of "war""
1549102;1474990387;phf;asciilifeform: oh you're right
1549103;1474990391;mircea_popescu;rAISellers did you send it to sks server ?
1549104;1474990403;mircea_popescu;trinque any hoap for wotpaste pubkey to deedbot directly ?
1549105;1474990417;mircea_popescu;im getting sick of advertising mit and friends.
1549106;1474990471;asciilifeform;feel free to make'em dump key into phuctor
1549107;1474990478;asciilifeform;and use /download/KEY
1549108;1474990509;asciilifeform;it isn't decentralized by any means, though, boring old medieval central box.
1549109;1474990533;asciilifeform;but at least then it'll be in 2 places, vs 1, and neither'll be sks.
1549110;1474990549;trinque;asciilifeform: actually I could fart them over to you as I receive.
1549111;1474990560;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah, I'll hammer that out momentarily
1549112;1474990579;mircea_popescu;ty.
1549113;1474990742;trinque;the thing's going through a major cleaving process, nearly done
1549114;1474990800;trinque;logbot-wot, logbot-deedbot, logbot-wallet, so on.
1549115;1474990802;mircea_popescu;but yeah, mutual masturbation with phuctor not a bad idea, if it can be done somehow so it doesn't make the ensemble more friable.
1549116;1474990855;trinque;background cron that flips a "sent_to_phuctor" bit
1549117;1474990907;mircea_popescu;worx
1549118;1474990923;asciilifeform;what'll mircea_popescu do with folks who get phuctored ?
1549119;1474990950;mircea_popescu;what'd i do ?
1549120;1474990958;asciilifeform;well this is perhaps the wrong question.
1549121;1474990962;asciilifeform;what's to be done with'em ?
1549122;1474990975;asciilifeform;they are, by any reasonable logic, 'dead' already. just need burial.
1549123;1474991006;mircea_popescu;i dunno, pretend not to notice, see who tries to scam you ? eat their babies for desert ?
1549124;1474991019;asciilifeform;there is not, and imho cannot be, a pleasant endgame for dude who gets his wot key publicly popped.
1549125;1474991038;asciilifeform;the focus oughta be on avoiding being in said position to begin with.
1549126;1474991059;asciilifeform;(and all else equal, it is better for a key to 'die' earlier in life than later.)
1549127;1474991123;mircea_popescu;why ?
1549128;1474991160;asciilifeform;keyholder has moar years of life left to invest in building up reputation of a replacement key ?
1549129;1474991165;mircea_popescu;there are no absolutes here. better and worse are entirely undefined.
1549130;1474991207;rAISellers;!!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
1549131;1474991208;asciilifeform;'better' in the sense that it is better to have one's hdd and backups burn down when you're 14 y.o. than when you're 60.
1549132;1474991209;deedbot;Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
1549133;1474991263;mircea_popescu;depends. at 14 you prolly care about all the nude classmates you got there.
1549134;1474991286;mircea_popescu;rAISellers but did you send it to the sks servers ?
1549135;1474991303;asciilifeform;14yo still has the nude classmates to take new photos of.
1549136;1474991348;rAISellers;mircea_popescu I think so, did not sync yet or something like that...
1549137;1474991386;mircea_popescu;aite give it a half hour or such
1549138;1474991411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe. somehow subjectively this is never perceived the same way.
1549139;1474991486;asciilifeform;subjectivity is a bitch like that. e.g. to 5yo being 'grounded' for month is rather like the idea of year in jail for a 50yo
1549140;1474991492;asciilifeform;subjectively.
1549141;1474991674;mircea_popescu;aha
1549142;1474991691;asciilifeform;while we're on the subject, there may be merit in deedbotting a lamport-style one-shot public key for the event of an 'asteroid' (serious number-theoretic breakthrough, or the like)
1549143;1474991712;asciilifeform;(with which to sign a new conventional pubkey if such a thing were to come.)
1549144;1474991772;asciilifeform;would also have a secondary 'fleet in being' effect
1549145;1474991863;mircea_popescu;or c-s for that matter.
1549146;1474991882;asciilifeform;multiple systems in general.
1549147;1474991887;shinohai;!!up rAISellers
1549148;1474991887;deedbot;rAISellers voiced for 30 minutes.
1549149;1474991911;asciilifeform;but i mention lamport specifically because it does not rely on number-theoretical conjecture (on the other hand, hashing relies on ????????? for hardness...)
1549150;1474991944;mod6;<+asciilifeform> feel free to make'em dump key into phuctor << very cool
1549151;1474992112;asciilifeform;anyway here is a simple, 'low-tech' lamport-style scheme. let K be my current pgp key; J be a future, continuity-of-life key in some yet-undiscovered system ;
1549152;1474992128;asciilifeform;H is a hashing function.
1549153;1474992207;asciilifeform;at time T, i deedbot Ksign(H(S)), where S is a lengthy random string.
1549154;1474992226;asciilifeform;at time T1, when i wish to invoke the continuity, i :
1549155;1474992248;asciilifeform;deedbot H(S+J)
1549156;1474992268;rAISellers;!!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
1549157;1474992269;deedbot;Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
1549158;1474992321;asciilifeform;at time T2, i deedbot J
1549159;1474992332;asciilifeform;at time T3, i reveal, and deedbot, S.
1549160;1474992375;asciilifeform;scheme relies strictly on the strength of H (and integrity of the blockchain...)
1549161;1474992438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al : see if you can find a simpler variant.
1549162;1474992528;asciilifeform;note, J can even be another pgp/rsa key, if you are insuring against merely a 'key costs $100M and takes 5years to break' scenario, rather than catastrophic rsacalypse
1549163;1474992529;mircea_popescu;hang on a sec im writing up this horrid movie.
1549164;1474992899;asciilifeform;if K is broken publicly, or privately by the enemy, any time ~after~ T, the breaker (or anyone who learns the privkey) can try to endeedbot his own Ksign(H(S)) for his own S
1549165;1474992918;asciilifeform;but these are to be rejected by the verifier if the latter can locate an earlier Ksign(H(S)).
1549166;1474992945;asciilifeform;which is why for such a scheme to work, it would have to be agreed-upon in advance by the participants.
1549167;1474992964;asciilifeform;perhaps this is obvious from my description, but i have learned that it sometimes helps to restate the obvious.
1549168;1474993112;asciilifeform;at any rate, it is not difficult to generalize this scheme into a wide variety of 'parachutes'
1549169;1474993133;asciilifeform;(incl. multiple hash algos)
1549170;1474993206;asciilifeform;where you demonstrate that you knew Kpriv and a secret S at time T, and at some time T+i you show that 'he who knew S at time T now wishes to use key J for everyday life.'
1549171;1474993420;rAISellers;!!register 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A
1549172;1474993421;deedbot;Import failed for 815D59A3002D6A44F8DB493CA167734DD954024A.
1549173;1474993546;shinohai;Weird why he hasn't been seen yet, his key imported to keyserver
1549174;1474993636;mircea_popescu;hum.
1549175;1474994165;shinohai;!!up rAISellers
1549176;1474994222;trinque;I'm doing the paste-import thing. patience rAISellers
1549177;1474994251;trinque;oh boy, here comes the tornado
1549178;1474994256;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for one thing, unpublished key is a simpler variant. create secret key K, salt-and-hash K, publish K. at later point divulge K. verification is one step and passive for you.
1549179;1474994289;shinohai;!~weather
1549180;1474994297;shinohai;bwahahahaha
1549181;1474994310;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this works if your K is known in advance
1549182;1474994316;mircea_popescu;known by me.
1549183;1474994319;asciilifeform;i did say 'key J for a possibly yet-undiscovered cryptosystem'
1549184;1474994351;mircea_popescu;this doesn't matter so much, future cryptosystem will be made on the basis of rng ; rng can work with pubkey as entropy source.
1549185;1474994368;mircea_popescu;ie all cryptosystems reduce to hash fucntion
1549186;1474994385;asciilifeform;if you divulged the seed, you divulged the privkey
1549187;1474994442;mircea_popescu;nono, look :
1549188;1474994487;mircea_popescu;t1 : i make rsa key K ; don't share it with anyone. i publish hash(salt+pubkey.K)
1549189;1474994491;shinohai;!~weather
1549190;1474994491;jhvh1;stormy with a chance of packeting
1549191;1474994495;mircea_popescu;t2 : rsa is destroyed
1549192;1474994517;mircea_popescu;t2+epsilon : i publish key J in cryptosystem ? which was created with entropy = privkey.K
1549193;1474994564;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here's the lethal boojum: enemy knows privkey.K at t2 and if he can get to his keyboard before you get to yours, you're dead
1549194;1474994576;mircea_popescu;at t2+epsilon, everyone can verify K-J continuity ; at t2 only breaker of rsa can verify.
1549195;1474994594;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but he has to also break the salted hash
1549196;1474994596;asciilifeform;or hm, if it's an unpublished key, he does not. but how did you link it with your actual key
1549197;1474994609;mircea_popescu;which is why yours and this are equivalent (they depend on the strength of has function)
1549198;1474994620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by deedobtting  hash(salt+pubkey.K)
1549199;1474994635;asciilifeform;ah in this case with the usual meaning of deedbot, 'sign with wot key'
1549200;1474994640;mircea_popescu;yes.
1549201;1474994651;mircea_popescu;in this scheme, hash has to be epsilon-strong and that's all.
1549202;1474994657;asciilifeform;anyway this is ~= earlier algo, just with one fewer step
1549203;1474994666;mircea_popescu;quite.
1549204;1474994671;mircea_popescu;q was for simpler neh.
1549205;1474994675;asciilifeform;aha!
1549206;1474994736;asciilifeform;though i am still unclear on how mircea_popescu's verification works
1549207;1474994757;asciilifeform;say he published his J. now what do i do.
1549208;1474994851;mircea_popescu;i publish k, you a) verify it hash-salts to same value and b) encrypt to it
1549209;1474994906;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i get that part
1549210;1474994913;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but how do i verify that J belongs to mircea_popescu
1549211;1474994916;asciilifeform;?
1549212;1474994933;mircea_popescu;because the only one who could make j is the one who at t1 owned privkey.L
1549213;1474994937;mircea_popescu;privkey.K*
1549214;1474994942;asciilifeform;gimme an algo
1549215;1474994953;mircea_popescu;o.O
1549216;1474994961;mircea_popescu;what do you want, like a c implementation ?
1549217;1474994961;asciilifeform;i can use to determine, for some input J, whether it belongs to the fella who has priv.K.
1549218;1474994975;asciilifeform;no, just pseudo
1549219;1474995008;asciilifeform;recall, we don't know anything about the cryptosystem J is a pubkey for.
1549220;1474995018;mircea_popescu;well how would i know, right. it'd depend on that.
1549221;1474995025;asciilifeform;it is just a string of bits, for the purposes of this gedankenexperiment.
1549222;1474995036;asciilifeform;and we want the algo specifically not to depend on how Jsystem works.
1549223;1474995044;mircea_popescu;so if ? has a encrypt() and decrypt() which seems like a safe proposition
1549224;1474995048;asciilifeform;but to permit ~any~ Jsystem and ~any~ J in advance.
1549225;1474995080;mircea_popescu;and if it further has a create-key() which seems more dubious, but is it allowable ?
1549226;1474995100;asciilifeform;ok, can haz algo? i found a string J, which is a public key for an asymmetric cryptosystem, that purports to belong to mircea_popescu, and published after the rsacalypse. what do i do with it.
1549227;1474995122;asciilifeform;i have the deedbotted hash(salt+pubkey.K) to work with
1549228;1474995128;mircea_popescu;then at t2+epsilon when i publish k you extract privkey.K from it and check that J was made by create-key(privkey.K_
1549229;1474995172;asciilifeform;so you published both halves of the k keypair, correct ?
1549230;1474995180;asciilifeform;public and private /
1549231;1474995181;asciilifeform;?
1549232;1474995194;mircea_popescu;well no, i just publish the fingerprint. as per t2 = rsa broken, it then follows one can extract privkey.K from K
1549233;1474995206;asciilifeform;fair'nuff, rsa died
1549234;1474995207;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/florence-foster-jenkins/ << Trilema - Florence Foster Jenkins
1549235;1474995211;asciilifeform;but!
1549236;1474995235;asciilifeform;how does mircea_popescu retain sole knowledge of the private key of J ?
1549237;1474995242;asciilifeform;if J is made wholesale from privkey.K
1549238;1474995254;mircea_popescu;i don't. the point is to prove K-J continuity , not to retain sole control of J
1549239;1474995263;mircea_popescu;can add J' in same message, signed by J for instance.
1549240;1474995269;mircea_popescu;this is, again, a very epsilon affair.
1549241;1474995271;asciilifeform;by WHICH J
1549242;1474995284;asciilifeform;anyone can make their own J'
1549243;1474995294;mircea_popescu;J =  create-key(privkey.K)
1549244;1474995294;asciilifeform;and they are all equally poppycock if the private key of J is publicly known
1549245;1474995303;asciilifeform;which in the given algo, it is.
1549246;1474995303;mircea_popescu;it's not publicly known until i publish.
1549247;1474995318;mircea_popescu;ie, until t2+epsilon
1549248;1474995325;asciilifeform;at which point every beggar in every street can make own J'.
1549249;1474995328;mircea_popescu;yup.
1549250;1474995361;asciilifeform;this'd be handy if mircea_popescu had otp set up in advance with the people he intends to give the actual J' to
1549251;1474995365;asciilifeform;but otherwise quite useless.
1549252;1474995382;mircea_popescu;can just go in the same message.
1549253;1474995386;asciilifeform;and if you posit the otp (or some other way, perhaps through buttsex, for him to give the True J' to the intended recipients) it turns into my algo.
1549254;1474995399;mircea_popescu;nah, you just posit "one message" is possible.
1549255;1474995410;asciilifeform;recall, if rsa died, mircea_popescu cannot simply pgp the J' to his current circle of friends.
1549256;1474995421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what means 'one message' ?
1549257;1474995444;asciilifeform;outside of buttsex room, there is no such thing as a 'one message' that cannot be mitm'd.
1549258;1474995507;mircea_popescu;J.sign("Here's the laydown : 1. rsa got fucked, this is the process to exrtract privkey from pubkey ; 2. message so-and-so on deedbot was creating by so-hashing this salt and this pubkey ; 3. this here key J was created by using cryptoisystem ? with rng = privkey.K, which guarantees i am the one that made it ; 4. please use this here J' in future")
1549259;1474995541;asciilifeform;i get it, mircea_popescu reeeeeally loves the repudiability thing, but you gotta be careful not to make a cannon that shoots in ALL directions simultaneously. someone has to get privileged knowledge of the true J' or you are cryptodead.
1549260;1474995574;mircea_popescu;this system presumes there's such a thing as ordering of events.
1549261;1474995588;mircea_popescu;this however is a necessary assumption (seen in t1 t2 etc) and not escapable in the current paradigm.
1549262;1474995597;asciilifeform;J.sign can sign anything anyone likes once J is known.
1549263;1474995604;mircea_popescu;but not before. yes.
1549264;1474995623;asciilifeform;you are open to mitm in the act of deedbotting.
1549265;1474995634;asciilifeform;which is ~why~ i had the multiple steps.
1549266;1474995634;mircea_popescu;suppose for safety of this scheme, ? is made so that create-key takes a day.
1549267;1474995655;asciilifeform;this cannot actually be guaranteed physically, realized.
1549268;1474995658;asciilifeform;*realize
1549269;1474995699;mircea_popescu;in general "collapsed cryptosystem" reduces one to a "either you have time-order and single-message or else you restart from scratch".
1549270;1474995705;mircea_popescu;there's no way out of this, i'm affraid.
1549271;1474995710;mircea_popescu;which is why we HAVE both of these.
1549272;1474995718;asciilifeform;my algo from earlier requires only time-order.
1549273;1474995723;asciilifeform;it is not open to mitm.
1549274;1474995734;mircea_popescu;well yes, because it implements a sort of single-message kludge.
1549275;1474995756;asciilifeform;aha, because single-message is not a thing in our universe.
1549276;1474995760;asciilifeform;outside of buttsex room.
1549277;1474995774;mircea_popescu;the correct pill to all of this being, of course, gossipd.
1549278;1474995780;asciilifeform;ugh
1549279;1474995792;asciilifeform;gossipd, in all proposed variants, relies on numbertheoretical crypto
1549280;1474995795;mircea_popescu;because of the whole "array of keys" thing, it'd actually allow jumping over dead rsa
1549281;1474995812;asciilifeform;current thread is re parachute specifically against catastrophe that would burn down rsa, c-s, similar.
1549282;1474995816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i just mean "makes mitm meaningless"
1549283;1474995883;asciilifeform;likewise 'my inner circle knows what the true J' is' is not solving same problem as 'everyone who knew Kpublic can reliably learn true J' ' which in the case of serious 'for the ages' signatures, e.g., vtronics, you actually ~do~ want
1549284;1474995901;mircea_popescu;this much is true.
1549285;1474995907;*;mircea_popescu goes re-reads alf scheme
1549286;1474995936;asciilifeform;btw if mircea_popescu ONLY wants to give J' to his best friends, he can do that already via the otp he has with them.
1549287;1474995939;asciilifeform;no need for deedbot, etc.
1549288;1474995952;asciilifeform;'the best machine is no machine' -- altschuller
1549289;1474995960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your scheme is actually dead in the water because between t2 and t3 enemy can deedbot in your name.
1549290;1474995967;asciilifeform;elaborate?
1549291;1474995990;asciilifeform;i oughta not have used word 'deedbot'
1549292;1474996000;asciilifeform;replace with 'publish' & reread.
1549293;1474996025;mircea_popescu;at t1.5 hitler deedbots J', at t2.5 hitler deedbots S' so that hash(s'+j') = hash(s+j)
1549294;1474996041;mircea_popescu;this is a much weaker standard of failure for h than "here's h(s) tell me s"
1549295;1474996072;asciilifeform;so, for convenience, i'll reprint: 1) at time T, i publish Ksign(H(S)), where S is a lengthy random string;  at time T1, when i wish to invoke the continuity i publish H(S+J) ; at time T2: J; at time T3, S.
1549296;1474996091;mircea_popescu;also enemy has t3-t1 to fish for the pair ; as opposed to epsilon
1549297;1474996100;mircea_popescu;and t3-t1 is in his control, whereas epsilon is in mine
1549298;1474996123;asciilifeform;using the formulation above, describe what hitler should do
1549299;1474996196;mircea_popescu;at time t1+e hitler publishes J' ; at time t2+e hitler publishes S'.
1549300;1474996206;mircea_popescu;H(S'+J') = H (S+J).
1549301;1474996243;mircea_popescu;and see the comments above re weaker standard and bad time exposure.
1549302;1474996259;asciilifeform;mno, he would need an S' such that H(S') == H(S)
1549303;1474996280;asciilifeform;otherwise Kverify(H(S')) will fail.
1549304;1474996291;asciilifeform;and hitler's work is in vain
1549305;1474996309;mircea_popescu;he posts it before you do.
1549306;1474996311;asciilifeform;so?
1549307;1474996318;asciilifeform;it still doesn't link back to K.
1549308;1474996327;mircea_popescu;so nobody cares about your S anymore because afatk, S' is S
1549309;1474996353;asciilifeform;but it isn't, because you signed H(S), the genuine S, with K, at time T
1549310;1474996359;asciilifeform;and we posited time-ordering.
1549311;1474996381;mircea_popescu;ah yeah s is fixed.
1549312;1474996384;asciilifeform;and pre-agreement among the verifiers that said signature was the origin.
1549313;1474996386;asciilifeform;aha.
1549314;1474996396;mircea_popescu;so he'll have to find proper salt-collision, h(s+j') = h(s+j)
1549315;1474996415;mircea_popescu;this is STILL a weaker standard than "gimme s in h(s)" albeit not quite as catastrophically bad as prevbiously thought
1549316;1474996418;asciilifeform;correct, so it stands on the strength of the hash solely.
1549317;1474996424;asciilifeform;(and of the time-orderer.)
1549318;1474996427;mircea_popescu;different notions of "strength of hash"
1549319;1474996434;mircea_popescu;reversibility vs collision
1549320;1474996478;mircea_popescu;and the problem of t3-t1 being an interval at enemy's discretion rather than your discretion remains.
1549321;1474996505;asciilifeform;why at enemy's ?
1549322;1474996512;mircea_popescu;now this said, a provably collision-resistant h might be found ; and would be amply useful.
1549323;1474996519;asciilifeform;interval can be as short as 2 blocks.
1549324;1474996519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because he decides when you find out rsa was broken
1549325;1474996531;asciilifeform;well, if ~he~ broke it
1549326;1474996538;mircea_popescu;this is what we mean by "enemy".
1549327;1474996546;asciilifeform;then he can sit on it for so long as he likes
1549328;1474996556;asciilifeform;silently churchilling
1549329;1474996568;mircea_popescu;well yes, but in my secret-k scheme the epsilon is my domain alone.
1549330;1474996586;mircea_popescu;still, i wouldn't say these differences allow for a strict determination.
1549331;1474996603;asciilifeform;didn't we just 'it doesn't solve same problem' ??
1549332;1474996611;mircea_popescu;i suppose so.
1549333;1474996615;asciilifeform;it solves another, also useful problem, yes, but not same..!
1549334;1474996636;asciilifeform;call remains open for 'shorter algo that solves same problem'.
1549335;1474996662;mircea_popescu;the one important salient point here is that what we would really like for a hash function would be a H so that it is mathematically proven that NO j' exists so that h(s+j) = h(s+j')
1549336;1474996686;asciilifeform;this is provably impossible
1549337;1474996690;asciilifeform;think about it for a minute.
1549338;1474996700;mircea_popescu;hey, you're breaking rsa over there, do some useful stuff!
1549339;1474996723;*;asciilifeform opens his circle-squaring tool chest.
1549340;1474996727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't require that len(h(x)) < len(x).
1549341;1474996790;trinque;deedbot back in a moment.
1549342;1474996816;asciilifeform;this is probably a good time to remind readers that hash algos as we have them today (incl., yes, keccak) are pseudoscientific kit, similar to the block ciphers, rather than items where the strength is of some provable kind
1549343;1474996873;asciilifeform;and that the 'do trapdoors exist' fundamental question is not only not settled, but afaik there is not the faintest clue where one might begin from to settle it, nor what the proof would look like.
1549344;1474996945;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform t1 you publish K.sign(hash(S)) ; time t2 you publish J.sign(hash(S+S')) ; time t3 you publish S and S' thus proving J knew before everyone else.
1549345;1474997022;mircea_popescu;still simpler than your thing, and imo better collision resistance (now h(s) = h(s+s') is required which iirc is tougher than (s+x) = (s+y) )
1549346;1474997044;asciilifeform;this question does not, afaik, have an answer, mircea_popescu
1549347;1474997059;mircea_popescu;just vague memories from back when i knew friends with rainbow tables.
1549348;1474997067;asciilifeform;not a ~general~ answer
1549349;1474997068;mircea_popescu;entirely lens polisher apocripha.
1549350;1474997086;asciilifeform;it had answers for some peculiarly braindead hash algos from the '90s, yes.
1549351;1474997099;asciilifeform;there is no expectation that modern-day ones will fail along same fault-lines.
1549352;1474997111;asciilifeform;(when's the last time you made a rainbow table.)
1549353;1474997132;mircea_popescu;like last week, lol. eulora db work has a lot of similarities.
1549354;1474997138;asciilifeform;lulzy
1549355;1474997166;mircea_popescu;the bitch with high level cognition, be it math, fucking, programming horses, riding computers et all is that you never fucking know which the same thing you'll be doing this time
1549356;1474997169;mircea_popescu;it's pretty trippy/
1549357;1474997191;*;asciilifeform adjusts stirrups on his comp
1549358;1474997227;mircea_popescu;i propose to you that if jockeys were sent to write software and code monkeys sent to ride horses, the overal results would sum to more.
1549359;1474997234;asciilifeform;likely.
1549360;1474997275;trinque;!!up bizarrotrinque
1549361;1474997276;deedbot;bizarrotrinque voiced for 30 minutes.
1549362;1474997284;bizarrotrinque;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/39l52/?raw=true
1549363;1474997289;deedbot;Import failed for bizarrotrinque.
1549364;1474997297;trinque;bah!
1549365;1474997459;bizarrotrinque;!!register 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D
1549366;1474997462;deedbot;Import failed for bizarrotrinque.
1549367;1474997475;bizarrotrinque;alrighty, back to the old code for now.
1549368;1474997593;trinque;derp, I didn't upload the key, so of course the second one didn't work
1549369;1474997631;trinque;omaigad, I think I just had an empathy
1549370;1474997647;mircea_popescu;lol
1549371;1474998287;mircea_popescu;!!up thepirlo
1549372;1474998288;deedbot;thepirlo voiced for 30 minutes.
1549373;1474998451;mircea_popescu;!!key thepirlo
1549374;1474998454;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/06fjm/?raw=true
1549375;1474999177;trinque;!!up bizarrotrinque
1549376;1474999177;deedbot;bizarrotrinque voiced for 30 minutes.
1549377;1474999187;bizarrotrinque;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/39l52/?raw=true
1549378;1474999189;deedbot;370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D registered as bizarrotrinque.
1549379;1474999193;trinque;sweet.
1549380;1474999236;*;trinque unpersons bizarrotrinque in db
1549381;1474999864;mircea_popescu;nice!
1549382;1474999875;bizarrotrinque;!!register 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D
1549383;1474999876;deedbot;Import failed for bizarrotrinque.
1549384;1474999968;bizarrotrinque;!!register 370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D
1549385;1474999971;deedbot;370963B1A875EC91525A8C2930F0C4BCE2BE786D registered as bizarrotrinque.
1549386;1474999997;trinque;mircea_popescu: alrighty, both paths workin.
1549387;1475000321;mircea_popescu;such win.
1549388;1475001583;trinque;;;later tell pete_dushenski new docs for !!register on http://deedbot.org/help.html
1549389;1475001590;trinque;!%later tell pete_dushenski new docs for !!register on http://deedbot.org/help.html
1549390;1475001602;trinque;!~later tell pete_dushenski new docs for !!register on http://deedbot.org/help.html
1549391;1475001610;trinque;ermergerd.
1549392;1475001621;*;shinohai sighs
1549393;1475001628;jurov;thestringpuller: done. not sick, just afk for a bit
1549394;1475001636;trinque;shinohai: what was the thing?
1549395;1475001644;asciilifeform;wb jurov
1549396;1475001669;trinque;oh, not voiced I guess
1549397;1475002102;*;BingoBoingo hopes jurov had a happy afk https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a7/3b/ee/a73beefdbfd7eb4dccc9c90b89e692fe.jpg
1549398;1475002256;jurov;ty asciilifeform BingoBoingo
1549399;1475002275;shinohai;trinque: yeah it's due to the freenode brouhaha
1549400;1475002280;trinque;nbd
1549401;1475002389;thestringpuller;jurov: glad you're well! :D
1549402;1475002709;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/record-high-pumpkin-harvest-on-the-way/ << Qntra - Record High Pumpkin Harvest On The Way
1549403;1475002712;BingoBoingo;^ Rumours of a pumpkin spice shortage are a Debeers style fabrication. Unless the shortage is on the spice side of things.
1549404;1475002854;*;trinque chants clim, clim, clim, in the hopes that gabriel_laddel shall appear
1549405;1475002886;trinque;wtf am I supposed to do, go query the cucks in #clim ?
1549406;1475003007;pete_dushenski;trinque: haha cheers
1549407;1475003020;asciilifeform;trinque: whatcha doing with clim anyway
1549408;1475003131;trinque;embedded doodad that puts some data on an LCD screen for an app of mine.
1549409;1475003132;BingoBoingo;Summoning Herr Ladedel it appears?
1549410;1475003137;trinque;sometimes it worx
1549411;1475003246;*;BingoBoingo chants clam, clam, clam, hopes that Poseidon appears
1549412;1475003496;pete_dushenski;trinque: http://bots.contravex.com updated.
1549413;1475003508;trinque;ty
1549414;1475003587;pete_dushenski;np
1549415;1475004120;mircea_popescu;ahahah
1549416;1475004169;mircea_popescu;#clism
1549417;1475004293;mircea_popescu;http://youtube.com/watch?v=DMu9PKWthLE << for opera connoisseurs si nu numai.
1549418;1475005083;asciilifeform;Run Moar Tcp.
1549419;1475005480;ben_vulpes;assault on the republic!!1
1549420;1475005552;*;asciilifeform pictures toady in tempest black van, on sat phone: 'yessir, start the fleanode ddos right NOW'
1549421;1475005564;asciilifeform;imho we really oughta lamportize the voice mechanism.
1549422;1475005568;mircea_popescu;what is with all the bullshit connections you people get!
1549423;1475005591;ben_vulpes;no dedicated microwave to the dirigible
1549424;1475005592;mircea_popescu;whay ?
1549425;1475005604;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes shut up it's not micro
1549426;1475005607;mircea_popescu;macrowave, bish!
1549427;1475005621;asciilifeform;that one's on mircea_popescu's nuke sub
1549428;1475005626;asciilifeform;ELF.
1549429;1475005657;asciilifeform;(btw i'd run ~that~ instead of shortwave, if i were a mad king)
1549430;1475005667;asciilifeform;so what if receiver needs to be 100 metres long.
1549431;1475005676;asciilifeform;you can put it literally anywhere on planet's crust.
1549432;1475005682;asciilifeform;(and, likely, elsewhere)
1549433;1475005733;mircea_popescu;aha
1549434;1475006521;BingoBoingo;To the MOON!!!
1549435;1475006557;thestringpuller;!~ticker
1549436;1475006564;thestringpuller;;;ticker
1549437;1475006571;thestringpuller;@_@
1549438;1475006580;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://montalk.net/conspiracy/55/how-to-block-microwave-mind-programming-signals
1549439;1475007306;ben_vulpes;"dear elon, why won't you hire foreign nationals"
1549440;1475007313;ben_vulpes;"because rockets are weapons tech, you dipshit"
1549441;1475007327;ben_vulpes;"and i'm on the usg.rocket.dole"
1549442;1475007558;mircea_popescu;seeing the success of the littoral beercan program, i'm vaguely surprised the usg doesn't bless its doomed effort of catching up with china/russia with cubical rockets.
1549443;1475007644;mircea_popescu;cylinders are disrespectful to women and africans, after all.
1549444;1475007644;thestringpuller;ben_vulpes: or "i'm an alien and am trying to get home, so usg would have to admit they are harboring a martian"
1549445;1475007662;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: zing
1549446;1475007669;ben_vulpes;"spreading, works!"
1549447;1475007685;mircea_popescu;think about all the advantages : a cubical rocket doesn't need to be steered as much.
1549448;1475007691;mircea_popescu;just put spikes on all sides.
1549449;1475007702;ben_vulpes;2/10 troll
1549450;1475007722;ben_vulpes;mount linear aerospikes on the edges
1549451;1475007726;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtahqXjFcxU << rocketry likbez.
1549452;1475007728;ben_vulpes;now *thats* a retarded brick.
1549453;1475007729;mircea_popescu;"it has to be pointy"
1549454;1475007841;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-26#1548698 .
1549455;1475007841;a111;Logged on 2016-09-26 17:33 asciilifeform: incidentally i find it quite hilarious that three years after the snowden catalogue leak, the constellation of symptoms of rf bug illuminator victims is still Officially 'schizo'
1549456;1475007842;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: u.s. 'export control' law is a real hoot. e.g., read what counts as 'exporting'
1549457;1475007862;asciilifeform;lol wtf just happened
1549458;1475007909;shinohai;a111 is becoming sentient
1549459;1475007914;asciilifeform;no not that
1549460;1475007938;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: is that movie any good?
1549461;1475007945;asciilifeform;i (and a111 simultaneously) got a burst of what must be 10 minutes' worth of convo
1549462;1475007953;asciilifeform;in 1/2 s or so
1549463;1475007955;mircea_popescu;not really.
1549464;1475007994;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fwiw, the author reads rather disturbed to me.
1549465;1475008001;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: noshit
1549466;1475008006;mircea_popescu;in particular, the "pay attention to your own thought process" is pretty miserable advice.
1549467;1475008021;asciilifeform;aha, as per naggum's 'stop telling people to lick their teeth'
1549468;1475008032;mircea_popescu;tends to create the psychogenic equivalent of what happens when you go live on your local radio station with the phone next to the radio set.
1549469;1475008046;asciilifeform;aha, how else.
1549470;1475008121;mircea_popescu;imo the ~best advice in that situation is "go fuck many whores". nothing beats it and fits on a page. which is why i always suspected the pua folk of being a lot more reasonable than anyone realises.
1549471;1475008141;mircea_popescu;marginal and subclinical psychiatric cases abound in "modern democracy"
1549472;1475008270;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/classiccoin-supplanted-by-unlimitedspamcoin-as-social-engineers-forking-brand/ << Qntra - ClassicCoin Supplanted By UnlimitedSpamCoin As Social Engineer's Forking Brand
1549473;1475008412;BingoBoingo;http://www.themaneater.com/blogs/the-newsroom/2016/9/19/columnist-dismissed-maneater-staff/ https://archive.is/56zrB << Win!!!
1549474;1475008442;asciilifeform;this is getting ridiculous.
1549475;1475008464;asciilifeform;re: earlier: caveat is that a man being correctly microwaved will, in all likelihood, present the symptoms of 'rather disturbed' in short order
1549476;1475008470;asciilifeform;if, as some of the lucky fellas seem to suggest, he can be prevented from sleeping, say.
1549477;1475008550;mircea_popescu;eh, so move to mongolia.
1549478;1475008561;asciilifeform;on dirigible, aha.
1549479;1475008582;asciilifeform;and enemy cannot follow you there because... reasons, aha.
1549480;1475008590;mircea_popescu;man who is married to a place he can't defend was already pretty disturbed.
1549481;1475008597;asciilifeform;!!up gabriel_laddel
1549482;1475008598;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1549483;1475008599;mircea_popescu;check it out trinque , it works.
1549484;1475008633;gabriel_laddel;It does. I search the logs for clim and my handle ~daily
1549485;1475008678;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel could possibly just set up a dinger
1549486;1475008687;mircea_popescu;ima bbl.
1549487;1475008853;BingoBoingo;gabriel_laddel: Perhaps set up a Climsten bot to ping yourself?
1549488;1475009038;shinohai;"Notorious transmayogendered hamplanet and serial fraudster Marshall Long has yet to complete his life's mission of eating himself to death."   <<< perfect BingoBoingo
1549489;1475009043;trinque;lel
1549490;1475009043;trinque;gabriel_laddel: ahoy!
1549491;1475009043;trinque;what's the frame resize hook thinger, so I can redraw a pane when my frame changes?
1549492;1475009639;asciilifeform;the sheer, breathtaking idiocy of synchronous protocols on a plebified channel.
1549493;1475009656;asciilifeform;'sorry i couldn't hear your pong in time, frogs were croaking too much'
1549494;1475009733;BingoBoingo;Macrowave!!! 512bps is enough for anyone!!!
1549495;1475009749;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc it's more like 1.
1549496;1475009831;asciilifeform;Framedragger: your logger is dead ?
1549497;1475009838;asciilifeform;or hm.
1549498;1475009843;asciilifeform;it missed a line from me.
1549499;1475009917;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: iirc it's more like 1.
1549500;1475009935;BingoBoingo;But this is marketing Fase!!!
1549501;1475009988;BingoBoingo;Use seperate antennas of differing lengths to allow FM!!!
1549502;1475010911;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/7aEnx << in unrelated olds. where hanno boeck was 3 yrs ago.
1549503;1475010927;asciilifeform;encouraging the use of sha1.
1549504;1475010971;asciilifeform;'Hanno Böck is a freelance journalist and volunteer developer with Gentoo Linux. He also works for web hosters schokokeks.org, who rely entirely on free software for their service offerings.'
1549505;1475010987;asciilifeform;might be worth tracking down what specifically he's shat into.
1549506;1475011003;asciilifeform;to the extent that answering such a q is even possible in heathendom.
1549507;1475013251;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/us-sports-team-loses-bidding-war-to-russian-sports-team-for-sportsman/ << Qntra - US Sports Team Loses Bidding War To Russian Sports Team For Sportsman
1549508;1475013253;BingoBoingo;^ Still moar altcoin news today!
1549509;1475013298;pete_dushenski;duffel bag fulla rubles > usg.bezzle
1549510;1475013313;shinohai;BingoBoingo I haz stripper news incoming soon
1549511;1475013325;BingoBoingo;cool shinohai
1549512;1475013375;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Ironically the weather in Omsk seems to roughly mirror that of St Louis except the summer and winter extremes of temperature are still more extreme in Omsk
1549513;1475013444;pete_dushenski;also, fewer taxes and still fewer negroes in omsk. sorta tought to beat.
1549514;1475013488;pete_dushenski;at least for non-brashiers and  non-subbans
1549515;1475013597;asciilifeform;funnily enough pete_dushenski i traded a bag of rubles for 1 usd as a boy.
1549516;1475013697;pete_dushenski;shoulda hodled
1549517;1475013753;asciilifeform;lel those ain't worth, outside of numismatic few u.s. cent/each, no more.
1549518;1475014000;pete_dushenski;bitcoin pizza guy thought the same!
1549519;1475014056;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: alf's old rubles went through at least one official devaluation since his move
1549520;1475014670;shinohai;!~later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1r1h
1549521;1475014670;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1549522;1475015349;shinohai;BingoBoingo was right, furries are dangerous http://archive.is/xUaJM
1549523;1475015566;pete_dushenski;man alive flights to ireland are priiiicey. more than oz even. /me will be waiting for a deal like a good jew.
1549524;1475015679;ben_vulpes;sounds like a frivolous waste of money
1549525;1475015689;ben_vulpes;PRECIOUS CAPITAL
1549526;1475015714;pete_dushenski;eh gotta live a little
1549527;1475015726;pete_dushenski;da fuck are the chitlin gonna do with ALL of it
1549528;1475015737;ben_vulpes;chitlin?
1549529;1475015743;ben_vulpes;it's for drilling holes in people.
1549530;1475015759;ben_vulpes;buying people to drill holes in, exotic drills...
1549531;1475015794;pete_dushenski;mebbe irish are cheeper to buy. i have to go there to find out.
1549532;1475015932;BingoBoingo;Great LOL: Tonight on NBC Nightly news half of their segment on last night's debate was spent accussing Trump of fatshaming 20 years ago!
1549533;1475015997;shinohai;Make America thin again!
1549534;1475016256;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Too much legal circle jerk, too little strippers
1549535;1475016387;BingoBoingo;The outrage should be over America's cloaca hating healthy women, not their laws having or not having legal grounds
1549536;1475016395;BingoBoingo;rewrite
1549537;1475016731;shinohai;Meh I'll probably can it since I can find no info on stripper id's
1549538;1475017432;BingoBoingo;Eh, if you want to pursue it there's prolly angles. Existing draft just leans too much on legalisms nest
1549539;1475021411;mircea_popescu;aaand first.
1549540;1475021445;mircea_popescu;let's make it stick. http://67.media.tumblr.com/85c55745cce04597861650ede0ae1210/tumblr_n63md7m2pB1t0qrbco1_1280.jpg
1549541;1475021569;ben_vulpes;two! two! two kinks in one!
1549542;1475021586;ben_vulpes;my aren't we having/the bestest of fun
1549543;1475021671;asciilifeform;pyronecrocryptozoophilia!1111
1549544;1475021954;mircea_popescu;well technically "bad tan lines" is a third
1549545;1475022171;mircea_popescu;in other news, vk.com ftw. https://vk.com/doc143790965_361473501?hash=f21e86f3164707edfd&dl=2eebe155c8564118c8
1549546;1475028854;mircea_popescu;!!key <th3nolo>
1549547;1475028854;deedbot;No such key.
1549548;1475028857;mircea_popescu;!!key th3nolo
1549549;1475028860;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/egfns/?raw=true
1549550;1475029499;BingoBoingo;!!up th3nolo
1549551;1475029499;deedbot;th3nolo voiced for 30 minutes.
1549552;1475029609;th3nolo;thanks bingo
1549553;1475029788;mircea_popescu;and in other "i just wasted all this coke" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/be0798b981a4d1fa746e4bd79c89fd1d/tumblr_njow5kDpHD1rhzk0mo1_1280.jpg
1549554;1475030206;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1549555;1475030207;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 431863 | Current Difficulty: 2.4122720022999103E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 433439 | Next Difficulty In: 1576 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 16 hours, 2 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1549556;1475030563;ben_vulpes;ahaha okay this is notbad http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-orbital-rocket/
1549557;1475030585;ben_vulpes;> keyboarb cleaner
1549558;1475030687;asciilifeform;in other 'news', holy FUCK is the unix userland retarded, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8402181/how-do-i-get-bc1-to-print-the-leading-zero
1549559;1475030799;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo third consecutive years ?
1549560;1475030935;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty fxd
1549561;1475030992;mircea_popescu;"I was browseing the web for some cool thing to call my next project I swooped by Mike Davis's web page where there is alot of cool stuff and was checking out his homebuilt jet engine and it reminded me of a drawing I had in my fileing cabinet from years ago when I was still in grade school. I dug a little and whiped it out and asked my girl friend if she want to see something cool, she replied yeah so I showed my drawing,she
1549562;1475030992;mircea_popescu; said what is that a new toilet invention.
1549563;1475030992;mircea_popescu;I kinda giggled and said yeah. So after some hard thought planning I thought, "why not" and started to redraw my picture on windows paint, so I got my initial layout ready to post on i'ables, first here is picture of a model rocket I found online perhaps an ideal candidate for my fusilage design. ofcorse mine will have to be different,unique,personalized. " << this is what ben_vulpes makes me read.
1549564;1475031021;*;asciilifeform also wishes to know why he had to read this
1549565;1475031175;mircea_popescu;lol wife, 39, husband, 34, and "billy" friend, 28, dead.
1549566;1475031183;mircea_popescu;maybe it... wasn't about teh daughter ?
1549567;1475031462;ben_vulpes;i want to know who expects home made orbital rocket to make any sense
1549568;1475031656;mircea_popescu;we have great hopes for you!
1549569;1475031735;BingoBoingo;Seriously go orbital cannon or go home. Piss off ATF with electric ignition too!!!
1549570;1475031964;ben_vulpes;me, sure, give me 500mm and 2 years. instructables though? great hopes for instructables? and wikipedia, right?
1549571;1475032249;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: theoretically a ~very~ small balloon-launched rocket is orbitable.
1549572;1475032259;asciilifeform;so the notion isn't wholly nonsensical.
1549573;1475032263;asciilifeform;but just short of wholly.
1549574;1475032265;mircea_popescu;theoretically i could carry a pregnancy to term.
1549575;1475032428;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Not just theoretically. Just a challenge to get baby out.
1549576;1475032430;asciilifeform;wake up the alices and leahs when you pull this off, i hear they're quite interested in subj.
1549577;1475032460;mircea_popescu;i have about the same interest in achieving either feat is the problem.
1549578;1475032482;asciilifeform;not really problem, i dun need these for anything.
1549579;1475032502;mircea_popescu;maybe they could be joined together at the hip. have moon rocket carry baby to term.
1549580;1475032710;BingoBoingo;Eh, add hormones, inject zygote into abdominal fluid 2x daily until one sticks.
1549581;1475032876;mircea_popescu;do you also do boob jobs ?
1549582;1475032968;asciilifeform;aside from balloons, you could possible julesverne something out of a 'hochdruckspumpe'.
1549583;1475032982;asciilifeform;*possibly
1549584;1475032997;asciilifeform;('why' is separate question.)
1549585;1475033832;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah. Boobs matter. Particular lives tend not to.
1549586;1475033859;shinohai;Just make sure they are 21+
1549587;1475033865;BingoBoingo;Anyways, pregnancy is just a particular kind of cancer.
1549588;1475033874;BingoBoingo;A contagious one.
1549589;1475033899;BingoBoingo;!~tslb
1549590;1475033901;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Time since last block: 14 minutes and 20 seconds
1549591;1475035789;asciilifeform;in other entomological curios, http://www.envieta.com
1549592;1475035922;asciilifeform;who said 'crypto snakeoil for $maxint while you wait!' died with the '90s.
1549593;1475035926;shinohai; the pic of the security admin alone was worth the visit
1549594;1475036363;ben_vulpes;> some of us even teach web dev in a graduate cs program
1549595;1475036368;ben_vulpes;my eyes
1549596;1475036460;trinque;ben_vulpes: man, last job I had to interact with some guy who was doing a dissertation on... some python/postgresql CMS
1549597;1475036482;trinque;doctor of shitstackology!
1549598;1475036497;ben_vulpes;my evens
1549599;1475036501;ben_vulpes;i can't them
1549600;1475036507;ben_vulpes;> cryptologist
1549601;1475036509;ben_vulpes;waaaaat
1549602;1475036616;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: what's your standard epoxy of preference?
1549603;1475037553;asciilifeform;in other old flimflammeries, http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/auschwitz-angel-of-death-josef-mengeles-unknown-writings-to-be-auctioned-124801054.html
1549604;1475038696;asciilifeform;and, somewhat relatedly, https://archive.is/0Etht .
1549605;1475050514;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#486 << plox line in question if possible?
1549606;1475050515;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-27: [20:57:23] <asciilifeform> it missed a line from me.
1549607;1475050581;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#157 << hm it (znc) *does* replace ACTION with '*', normally
1549608;1475050581;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-27: [14:25:47] <phf> so there's at least two bugs happening here :) somehow it's missing from btcbase and Framedragger's znc (or is it the python bot) is leaking ACTION marks
1549609;1475050601;Framedragger;i'll later check scriba's version of http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160927/#132 , it stores raw irc logs
1549610;1475050601;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-27: [13:14:42] <asciilifeform> 
ACTION woke up from dream where we had 4th conf. this time, at mircea_popescu's house, which turned out to be a gigantic repurposed office park, wunderwaffen in every room, even the nazi 'Glocke' neutron generator; we sat in a great hall and drank mead and thanked odin for the gift of valour; then went to the tank room and each pulled gigantic sea
1549611;1475050603;scriba;slugs, shaped like various animals, e.g., pig, out of a tank, and by the choice mircea_p
1549612;1475050674;Framedragger;aha, i wonder if the sending irc client encoded msg in some strange charset, and ACTION was *not* technically the first set of characters in that message, from point of view of znc.
1549613;1475050744;Framedragger;<<1474982082.5600033    :asciilifeform!~asciilife@unaffiliated/asciilifeform PRIVMSG #trilema :^AACTION woke up from dream
1549614;1475050781;Framedragger;hm seems fine, i.e. it's ^^AACTION
1549615;1475050830;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Usually JB weld in old or "Klear" flavors
1549616;1475050999;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ...so, how's the rest of that dream, then? did you eat them slugs?
1549617;1475051032;Framedragger;s/^^AACTION/^AACTION/
1549618;1475051629;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/kwUYH << "Feels good man"
1549619;1475056649;thestringpuller;is the BingoBoingo still awake?
1549620;1475057105;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549417 <<< horribru
1549621;1475057105;a111;Logged on 2016-09-27 19:24 mircea_popescu: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DMu9PKWthLE << for opera connoisseurs si nu numai.
1549622;1475058421;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549523 just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair
1549623;1475058421;a111;Logged on 2016-09-27 22:32 pete_dushenski: man alive flights to ireland are priiiicey. more than oz even. /me will be waiting for a deal like a good jew.
1549624;1475069261;shinohai;http://archive.is/TtEEm   <<< That'll stop that hacker from releasing these photos!
1549625;1475070077;Framedragger;http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/11/social-justice-warriors-declare-battle-on-colleague-for-exposing-their-research/ (courtesy of punkman) << good stuff.
1549626;1475070098;Framedragger;new account https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview
1549627;1475070216;Framedragger;https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779780977698574336
1549628;1475070283;Framedragger;"the pleasure of whiteness" https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779238227781808128
1549629;1475070544;asciilifeform;'@Real_PeerReview highlighted more than 1,000 scholarly papers in four months. Many were essentially Mad Libs with various topics inserted between the phrases “whiteness,” “hegemony,” and the “patriarchy.”' << sop since '80s. it will die with usg and not before.
1549630;1475070645;Framedragger;next time i'm desperate for cash i'll make a markov bot which will include those keywords, and will spam research funding agencies.
1549631;1475070654;asciilifeform;not how it works.
1549632;1475070663;asciilifeform;gotta be properly aryan and in their wot.
1549633;1475070719;Framedragger;guess so.
1549634;1475070725;Framedragger;not underprivileged enough
1549635;1475073301;mircea_popescu;hhhola!
1549636;1475073375;mircea_popescu;ahahaah, getting spam from smaswanganyi@justice.gov.za. actually, not spoofed.
1549637;1475073478;Framedragger;noice.
1549638;1475073514;Framedragger;on my work email end on the other hand, multiple emails as of late, sent from director, with instructions to pay to this fiat bank acct and that fiat bank acct.
1549639;1475073533;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#39 << for the record, i didn't even know that was a thing.
1549640;1475073534;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-28: [03:06:04] <ben_vulpes> me, sure, give me 500mm and 2 years. instructables though? great hopes for instructables? and wikipedia, right?
1549641;1475073541;mircea_popescu;i suppose there's no end of expert ses change.
1549642;1475073544;Framedragger;like, legit uk and polish bank account details. wonder if they belong to old granny who gives out passwords to her grandson
1549643;1475073545;mircea_popescu;sex change*
1549644;1475073565;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well look in at headers and delivery path
1549645;1475073573;mircea_popescu;if you own the mailserver at least.
1549646;1475073609;Framedragger;didn't even have time to investigate, honestly not sure if worth it, reported bank details to banks in question as per process, but that's about it
1549647;1475073611;Framedragger;yeah.
1549648;1475073621;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the way that works is, you can open business online ; and then bank account from it.
1549649;1475073656;mircea_popescu;anyone willing to spend 1mn can have ~10k us registered businesses by friday sort of thing.
1549650;1475073682;Framedragger;well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl
1549651;1475073689;mircea_popescu;i doubt you do.
1549652;1475073708;Framedragger;i tried to do just that while being away from uk!
1549653;1475073719;mircea_popescu;note that what people tell each other and what is actually the case never have yet matched in the history of people.
1549654;1475073727;Framedragger;but maybe didn't try hard enough, because, you know, i could just walk in later
1549655;1475073734;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1549656;1475073787;mircea_popescu;plus there's also the legions of captcha solvers / employees working remote etc. but i doubt anyone spends that much effort.
1549657;1475073806;Framedragger;this relates to the "not a bank if no rsa in relevant wot" point.
1549658;1475073816;mircea_popescu;one obvious explanation would be that the accts in question belong to a derp who has agreed to "handle comissions for international firm"
1549659;1475073837;mircea_popescu;which i think is supported by >1 bn pieces of yearly mail.
1549660;1475073864;mircea_popescu;recall the good old days when people wanted to get money from the cattle ? things have changed, the cattle is now poor enough that people want its moo not its money.
1549661;1475073883;Framedragger;heheh. oh yeah. i also forgot about them craigslist job posts, as well $x's friend's boyfriend who asked $x to temporarily hold some money in $x's acct because reasons
1549662;1475073892;mircea_popescu;this is an important societal change that of course "nobody could have predicted" and nobody noticed. because that's what "modern democracy" governments are for, to stick hand in sand.
1549663;1475073910;mircea_popescu;cattle couldn't have done that independently well enough. needed collective ostrich built.
1549664;1475073973;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/i-am-firmly-against-universal-franchise/#comment-119267 << vaguely related, it's ever so sad that the fiat minds never seem quite ready to actually engage.
1549665;1475073986;mircea_popescu;it's like boys in clubs, all they really wanna do is rub on you a little. if that.
1549666;1475074467;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549649 << ~hundy each, depending on where registered. the postbox costs more.
1549667;1475074467;a111;Logged on 2016-09-28 14:40 mircea_popescu: anyone willing to spend 1mn can have ~10k us registered businesses by friday sort of thing.
1549668;1475074500;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1549669;1475074503;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549650 << in usa also. 'patriot act'. dun even matter if acct is for human or for corp.
1549670;1475074503;a111;Logged on 2016-09-28 14:41 Framedragger: well in uk you have to walk into the bank physically. (from recent experience opening business acct). and it's barclays, quite sure it's similar to the bank i dealt with. but heh, maybe workarounds. especially in .pl
1549671;1475074506;asciilifeform;no exceptions.
1549672;1475074515;asciilifeform;gotta walk in and show govt papers.
1549673;1475074524;asciilifeform;(driving license usually)
1549674;1475074571;mircea_popescu;i know for a fact i registered corp/bank acct/paypal etc while in costa rica.
1549675;1475074586;asciilifeform;in what american state ?
1549676;1475074600;mircea_popescu;delaware.
1549677;1475074611;asciilifeform;corp is easy, dime/dozen
1549678;1475074646;asciilifeform;bank, at least in past decade, demands the rituals. though i could easily believe that if you open acct and immediately drop $mil in it, they will close eyes.
1549679;1475074680;mircea_popescu;there's five billions things. open acct with hk branch, have it transferred. whoops.
1549680;1475074692;asciilifeform;ahahaha so not u.s. bank.
1549681;1475074698;asciilifeform;that there's cheating!111
1549682;1475074698;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1549683;1475074714;mircea_popescu;what, us banks don't have azn branches ?
1549684;1475074724;mircea_popescu;anyway, the notion that this calender would be watertight is laughable on the face.
1549685;1475074757;mircea_popescu;yes it's a calender, ie keeps the pasta in. but if you dump it in the sewer, don't expect you'll fish it out later and contents edible.
1549686;1475074758;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: US banks pretty much require id for nearly every single transaction you intend to make with them...
1549687;1475074781;thestringpuller;cash deposit into another person's account? "Papers and passport please"
1549688;1475074800;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller try a wire.
1549689;1475074879;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is far from watertight, but to the lobster trapped inside it may as well be.
1549690;1475074889;Framedragger;thestringpuller: heh; up until maybe ~2012, UK banks allowed these cash deposits without any account or docs; so folks deposited cash into bitcoin exchange accounts; and then that changed. so it goes hm
1549691;1475074893;mircea_popescu;i can believe it.
1549692;1475074919;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it is possible i'm left stranded on some historical branch. i've been doing ever less banking over the years.
1549693;1475074984;mircea_popescu;back before bitcoin fucking banks were like, a major core ; these days, they barely count on the level of gardening.
1549694;1475075030;thestringpuller;capital controls never work.
1549695;1475075052;asciilifeform;eh define 'work'
1549696;1475075059;asciilifeform;it's rather like to say 'traffic police never works'
1549697;1475075093;asciilifeform;most folks stop at the red light without there being such a thing as a police car for miles. internal policeman, inside head.
1549698;1475075128;asciilifeform;and when they stop doing this, no amount of policing will move them, no.
1549699;1475075149;thestringpuller;or you stop so you don't fucking die, like when no light exist i.e. lightning storm
1549700;1475075158;asciilifeform;much of what passes for 'capital control' in usa is to prevent bezzleusd leakage
1549701;1475075180;thestringpuller;leak always gets bigger.
1549702;1475075186;asciilifeform;e.g., uppity salaryfolk getting their dough deposited into non-irs-controlled bank
1549703;1475075257;asciilifeform;when this fails, and it will, there ~will~ be ru-style hyperinflation, as the selfsame chumps use their megabux to bid up the cost of basic necessities
1549704;1475075302;asciilifeform;see mircea_popescu's old article where 'if i get a hundy, i get a hundy, but if everyone gets one - it is a disaster'
1549705;1475075304;mircea_popescu;dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars ; and actual food is already going into a spiral.
1549706;1475075332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they have this strategy where all of the bid-up/sheepshaving happens in one particular racket, housing
1549707;1475075345;asciilifeform;everything else is kept down artificially, via agro subsidies etc
1549708;1475075370;mircea_popescu;back in 2005 i ate on the boston wharf ; bill came in a hundreds. today they come in the thousands.
1549709;1475075384;asciilifeform;for 1 plate??
1549710;1475075395;asciilifeform;or entire dirigible crew
1549711;1475075406;mircea_popescu;well what's an "eating", four to six people.
1549712;1475075410;asciilifeform;ah ok
1549713;1475075452;asciilifeform;in general, anything that is 'luxury' and not propped up by the great inca, rockets 'to the moon'
1549714;1475075469;mircea_popescu;yes, but anything that isn't luxury is, today unlike the days of the su, ersatz.
1549715;1475075470;asciilifeform;(well, 'propped down')
1549716;1475075476;asciilifeform;increasingly.
1549717;1475075476;mircea_popescu;the soviets had what, fake coffee and whatnot.
1549718;1475075488;asciilifeform;did i ever mention the tin pistol ?
1549719;1475075497;mircea_popescu;they still built housing out of concrete not chewed wasp nest.
1549720;1475075535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the orcs picked scarcity over ersatz.
1549721;1475075546;asciilifeform;because they were not konsoomer-oriented.
1549722;1475075561;mircea_popescu;aha.
1549723;1475075567;mircea_popescu;well, also because not technologically apt.
1549724;1475075582;asciilifeform;as if americans were.
1549725;1475075588;asciilifeform;or made own ersatz.
1549726;1475075591;mircea_popescu;army does not generally favour ersatz, but bulk ; and unlike us, the su was army-run. much like ~much all eastern tyrannies, from turks to what have you.
1549727;1475075597;mircea_popescu;whereas the us is a french colony through and through.
1549728;1475075614;mircea_popescu;ie, bureaucrat run.
1549729;1475075632;mircea_popescu;ersatz is those people's very life ; their existence is subjectively predicated on them being ersatz for actual people
1549730;1475075639;mircea_popescu;through the technomagic of "noblesse du robe" or whatever.
1549731;1475075656;asciilifeform;re: army-run, see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508225 .
1549732;1475075656;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 19:54 asciilifeform: where my father worked they had always 3 bins.
1549733;1475075665;mircea_popescu;aha.
1549734;1475075679;trinque;it's like living on a cheap TV set. my neighbor's door - when kicked in two weeks ago - broke like balsa wood right along the only (soft) metal in the door, at the "lock"/"latch"
1549735;1475075701;trinque;this with rents at 1600/mo for the smallest
1549736;1475075712;asciilifeform;trinque: they are built like this deliberately, it is cheaper to repair than if the hinges are the weak part.
1549737;1475075724;asciilifeform;trinque: who did the kicking ?
1549738;1475075729;trinque;orcs
1549739;1475075731;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#100 << for the record i fail to see the problem in the quoted fragment ; and can't be arsed to go read the whole thing. anyone wishes to explain what the problem is ?
1549740;1475075731;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-28: [13:44:43] <Framedragger> "the pleasure of whiteness" https://twitter.com/RealPeerReview/status/779238227781808128
1549741;1475075758;asciilifeform;ftr i was not able to decode it
1549742;1475075784;asciilifeform;it was, best as i can tell, the usual meat-assisted shannonizer output.
1549743;1475075797;mircea_popescu;it decodes here. feel free to ask or ?
1549744;1475075800;trinque;the cop was in a nervous sweat when he came to my door asking if I knew anything
1549745;1475075806;trinque;that was a serious wtf
1549746;1475075833;asciilifeform;!!up Mariono
1549747;1475075833;deedbot;Mariono voiced for 30 minutes.
1549748;1475075859;Mariono;i saw a thread on bitcointalk
1549749;1475075859;Mariono;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1592575.0
1549750;1475075869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly enough, it could be rendered in terms of the mp-alf discussion ; on the alf side. it ~says "tyvm for telling us to be less poor ; here in africa no dirigible."
1549751;1475075915;mircea_popescu;Mariono prolly want to talk to shinohai if you need help ; otherwise register your key with deedbot
1549752;1475075922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: possibly. i simply have trouble with the limba de lemn , it is thick.
1549753;1475075925;Mariono;oke :D
1549754;1475075929;Mariono;i already talk with him
1549755;1475076013;mircea_popescu;so it is. then again, it has to be pointed out that all these "studies" are derivative work of literary criticism and phenomenology as the philosophical discipline (80s variant, see eg stanford's "it is the study of structures of conscxiousness"). consequently they consist almost entirely out of terms of art.
1549756;1475076020;mircea_popescu;this is not in and of itself a bad thing.
1549757;1475076048;mircea_popescu;computer science, for instance, also almost entirely consists of terms of art.
1549758;1475076064;mircea_popescu;arguably about as tenuous a basis in reality (what is "a processor" ? really ?)
1549759;1475076131;asciilifeform;btw it is worth noting that current mathematical, etc. papers are scarcely distinguishable from the quoted rubbish.
1549760;1475076141;Mariono;!!register http://pastebin.com/raw/c2Nxm9ri
1549761;1475076144;deedbot;738D28589D2CB44F02B44E0E43D55C24AA0E9947 registered as Mariono.
1549762;1475076144;asciilifeform;the cancer's been spreading for so long that it can be seen in the toenails.
1549763;1475076155;mircea_popescu;i can distinguish it. most recently proven for example when i flew off handle over something someone linked with triangles and squares.
1549764;1475076171;mircea_popescu;the person versed in the art can always distinguish art from rubbish. the problem is what versed means.
1549765;1475076171;shinohai;trinque: thank you for that btw, makes my job so much damned easier
1549766;1475076180;trinque;quite welcome
1549767;1475076182;mircea_popescu;shinohai doesn't it though!
1549768;1475076189;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i meant 'typical paper'
1549769;1475076196;mircea_popescu;and we get to a) cut one enemy out of process ; b) build one friend into process.
1549770;1475076200;asciilifeform;naturally it is possible to distinguish, e.g., lamport, from boeck.
1549771;1475076220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, typical. suppose you have to go to dinner with the typical female and then with her to the typical poetry reading.
1549772;1475076230;mircea_popescu;there's a reason real men own whips.
1549773;1475076243;asciilifeform;actually this is one of the things that astonishes me about mircea_popescu
1549774;1475076249;mircea_popescu;or need i link again the typical 1800s opera singer.
1549775;1475076252;asciilifeform;i.e. that he can put up with, approx., 'typical female'
1549776;1475076275;mircea_popescu;and why wouldn't i ?
1549777;1475076302;asciilifeform;dunno, let's say you didn't enjoy animal training.
1549778;1475076306;mircea_popescu;but i do.
1549779;1475076318;mircea_popescu;i had dogs as a child ; and horses. and hunted.
1549780;1475076322;mircea_popescu;and had a merry time.
1549781;1475076332;asciilifeform;ain't nuffin' wrong with that.
1549782;1475076335;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hm. on actually closer inspection, that thing's easier to parse if one reads till end of extract. one of the points is that the notion of female genital mutilation is used to represent african tribes etc. as inferior culturally, sexually, etc.; thesis seems to disagree with this portrayal of that tribal culture. this does indeed not sound original. but, i guess you're right, it's more like meh, and not a lol-worthy outrag
1549783;1475076355;Framedragger;e. lingo is funny to be tho
1549784;1475076367;mircea_popescu;note also that what "things are used to represent" is very rarely a valid concern.
1549785;1475076448;Framedragger;i guess that twitter acct thought it was funny that FGM could be anything other than bullshit. at the point of lol'ing at those tweets i took this as a given
1549786;1475076484;mircea_popescu;which is perhaps the problem.
1549787;1475076501;mircea_popescu;ie, if you people are going to herd rather than critically analyze, it might as well be that YOU are the reason the account has to be banned.
1549788;1475076519;Framedragger;but this reminded me of clastres' "society against the state", a set of essays on "primitiv kultures". the latter use all kinds of mutilation'y things to do interesting stuff, e.g. if one breaks a law, that law is inscribed on the flesh of the person having broken it; etc.
1549789;1475076559;mircea_popescu;anyway. "the pleasure of whiteness" in particular denotes this peculiar view of human existence, which is very deeply puritan (which they usually call white or white-patriarchy, neither of which have anything to do). ie, typical middle class us female enjoys being in herself, which is why she loves nothing more than to grow fat while watching netflix.
1549790;1475076562;Framedragger;and in general builds an argument against the notion of "primitive" as widely used in western anthropology.
1549791;1475076576;mircea_popescu;this is not true of most sane people, including all africa. girls there wanna be with other girls and sing call-and-response all day long.
1549792;1475076597;Framedragger;right.
1549793;1475076630;mircea_popescu;you can see this in a million places. normal human being eschews reading an announcement, in favour of asking person at the desk personally ; usian "pleasure of white" zealot eschews interacting with this "because there's nowhere to read what to do and have to talk to people"
1549794;1475076694;mircea_popescu;these are very deeply disjunct modes. i'm sure [they like to think] telling us teenager that "honey, never mind what the other girls say, you should have self esteem" works for her. from experience it ~works, for a little anywya. but doth not work for subsaharan chick. at all.
1549795;1475076700;Mariono;all anyone use windows to play the game ?
1549796;1475076708;mircea_popescu;Mariono there's a few, yeah.
1549797;1475076711;shinohai;Mariono: join #eulora
1549798;1475076712;Mariono;what is the minimum specs for me to able play the game ?
1549799;1475076746;mircea_popescu;well, if you don't use windows, there's ~no minimum specs, i've had it run on ten year old laptops. if you do use windows it's unclear as of yet, some people have had problems but seems to be on random hardware
1549800;1475076751;mircea_popescu;still chasing the exact problem.
1549801;1475076770;mircea_popescu;but in principle you must have a gfx card, and 256mb of ram.
1549802;1475076811;Framedragger;s/funny to be/funny to me/  ^ above
1549803;1475076920;asciilifeform;in other noose, the noose spreadz, https://firmwaresecurity.com/2016/09/21/reversing-sages-smartprobe
1549804;1475076974;mircea_popescu;the problem with the political notion of "primitive" is that well, it's the "global warming" from before global warming. there ~is~ a scientific notion of primitive, but it's deeply political inconvenient (such as, primitive society uses hieroglyphics rather than alphabet. making the chinese primitive.) wheres the politically convenient version ("guys in next town over are primitive, because our footbal mascot is a beaver and
1549805;1475076974;mircea_popescu; theirs an iguana, and iguana is reptile not mammal") is always "global warm"ism / "intelligent design"ism
1549806;1475077068;mircea_popescu;lol wtf he republishes it ? weird.
1549807;1475077081;asciilifeform;i have nfi.
1549808;1475077142;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i went around looking for 'bios reverser' sites, realized that the community of actual people actually working on subj -- at least in public -- has shrunk to the size of a walnut.
1549809;1475077160;mircea_popescu;the whole internet has shrunk to the size of walnut. in english i mean.
1549810;1475077177;mircea_popescu;should have never fucking allowed the .coms on.
1549811;1475077640;mircea_popescu;!!up haankoammu
1549812;1475077641;deedbot;haankoammu voiced for 30 minutes.
1549813;1475077836;haankoammu;!!register http://pastebin.com/raw/kpkmRxe2
1549814;1475077838;deedbot;7CF316AACB136D0BA231A2484AF684686CAB5D45 registered as haankoammu.
1549815;1475077951;mircea_popescu;haankoammu you looking for eulora acct ?
1549816;1475077974;haankoammu;Yes please!
1549817;1475077989;mircea_popescu;!!key haankoammu
1549818;1475077991;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8lxzk/?raw=true
1549819;1475078008;mircea_popescu;shinohai btw put in http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r the tutorial or w/e ? instead of pastebin
1549820;1475078103;*;trinque also linked in deedbot docs
1549821;1475078196;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1549822;1475078260;trinque;!!help << first item links to wotpaste
1549823;1475078260;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1549824;1475078268;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes btw can has link to http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ?
1549825;1475078294;mircea_popescu;a yes. nice!
1549826;1475078313;Framedragger;AHA! and so, eulora becomes the explicit marketing platform for TERRORISM
1549827;1475078324;mircea_popescu;doh.
1549828;1475078335;Framedragger;CORRUPT VIDEOGAME TERRORISTS ADVOCATE FGM
1549829;1475078795;mircea_popescu;moar like fhm amirite.
1549830;1475078862;mircea_popescu;!!key <Mariono>
1549831;1475078862;deedbot;No such key.
1549832;1475078864;mircea_popescu;doh
1549833;1475078866;mircea_popescu;!!key Mariono
1549834;1475078868;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/n6a42/?raw=true
1549835;1475081791;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> in other noose, the noose spreadz, https://firmwaresecurity.com/2016/09/21/reversing-sages-smartprobe << What did I tell you?
1549836;1475085516;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549824 << oui, comme Ãa? or too cute.
1549837;1475085516;a111;Logged on 2016-09-28 15:57 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes btw can has link to http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ from one of the *'s in "wotpaste" header ?
1549838;1475085927;mircea_popescu;Ãa wut
1549839;1475085945;asciilifeform;бНОПНЯ ВХРЮК?
1549840;1475085966;mircea_popescu;i guess so lol
1549841;1475085999;mircea_popescu;"oui, comme Ãa? or too cute." apparently turns into ВХРЮК
1549842;1475086013;mircea_popescu;except of course if in quotes
1549843;1475086018;mircea_popescu;"Ãa"
1549844;1475086018;mircea_popescu;Ãa
1549845;1475086030;mircea_popescu;" Ãa"
1549846;1475086041;mircea_popescu;god help it.
1549847;1475086106;ben_vulpes;help i'm trapped in character encoding hell
1549848;1475086147;mircea_popescu;lol
1549849;1475086230;ben_vulpes;like fuck i'm going to give a shit about mis-encodings somewhere between os x, tmux, this retarded terminnal application, and linux locales
1549850;1475086250;mircea_popescu;yeah dun sweat it
1549851;1475086262;ben_vulpes;anyways that works for you?
1549852;1475086273;mircea_popescu;odds are it's somewhere in my domain anyway
1549853;1475086284;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what yuou asked me though
1549854;1475086294;ben_vulpes;one of the wotpaste header stars is now a link
1549855;1475086296;mircea_popescu;o yeah, works fine
1549856;1475086299;mircea_popescu;thanks!
1549857;1475086299;ben_vulpes;mk
1549858;1475086302;ben_vulpes;anytime
1549859;1475086327;*;ben_vulpes back to business plans
1549860;1475086351;*;mircea_popescu wonders how long before frisco fills up with "planned businesshood" offices.
1549861;1475086365;ben_vulpes;relatedly, why hasn't that org shattered its brand yet?
1549862;1475086384;ben_vulpes;50+ different institutions would be nigh-impossible for the right to organize a defunding of
1549863;1475086396;ben_vulpes;plus think about the costs of rebranding all of the attack ads
1549864;1475086404;mircea_popescu;i dun think anyone seriously intends to stop giving young women free pills.
1549865;1475086429;ben_vulpes;some folks get seriously bent about the abortions tho
1549866;1475086443;mircea_popescu;yeah but afaik they just give out pills/condoms ?
1549867;1475086445;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu quite likely knows that they ain't phreeee in usa
1549868;1475086450;asciilifeform;ask your pets.
1549869;1475086470;mircea_popescu;what, seriously ?
1549870;1475086477;asciilifeform;aha.
1549871;1475086483;mircea_popescu;b ut... why
1549872;1475086507;asciilifeform;part of the 'health management' racket.
1549873;1475086551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform pets say "they sure did back when i was there"
1549874;1475086594;asciilifeform;prescription-only. so as to make the buyers come in for regular 'doctor visit' which costs a few hundy (paid by usg if you're Officially indigent, by hmo if you're a salaried wretch, and by your own pocket if you're neither.)
1549875;1475086605;mircea_popescu;young women are always indigent.
1549876;1475086614;asciilifeform;Officially Indigent is another thing.
1549877;1475086624;mircea_popescu;and doctor visit is a fine idea. a) gets her used to stranger hands up her snatch ; b) pills do have side effects.
1549878;1475086653;asciilifeform;many folks would rather go to african doctor than american. and i can't blame'em.
1549879;1475086663;mircea_popescu;many folks'd better get with the program.
1549880;1475086669;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo has detailz.
1549881;1475086706;BingoBoingo;AHA, yes. Only one available without exam is "Plan B"
1549882;1475086730;mircea_popescu;the notion that females under 30 would be allowed to NOT be vaginally inspected once a month is scandalous.
1549883;1475086765;BingoBoingo;But yes, doctor is mandatory because provides target for torts!
1549884;1475086829;BingoBoingo;http://www.ulc.org/2014/04/gluttony-age-old-battle-excess/ << AHA even church that loves everybody fatshames!
1549885;1475086832;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the above being perhaps the best explanation of what distinguishes third world from civilised world. "are your women regularly diddled or do they grow fucking cobwebs down there."
1549886;1475086893;mircea_popescu;"shaved smooth snatch that saw water today" being reliably what you find between female "students'" legs ~= "civilised world".
1549887;1475087605;mircea_popescu;and in the latest in instructional videos / "how to for dummies" : http://67.media.tumblr.com/e4b4d5dc215d2f56b6fb7884dc671322/tumblr_mihcyvNExc1s3v6d1o1_1280.jpg
1549888;1475090521;ben_vulpes;aaand in more portlolzland: http://www.oregonlive.com/trending/2016/09/satanic_temple_brings_after-sc.html
1549889;1475093039;mircea_popescu;and today in sports : http://65.media.tumblr.com/d3fa3b96b06c082451c0ba4ed1a7f116/tumblr_njrh1hPq991ren9y9o1_1280.jpg
1549890;1475093102;pete_dushenski;japanese looove their baseball
1549891;1475093111;pete_dushenski;and blackballs
1549892;1475093138;shinohai;In U.S. and A. they treat horses like we in Kazakhstan treat our women. They feed them two times a day. They have them sleep on straw in a small box. And for entertainment, they make them jump over fences while being whipped.
1549893;1475093153;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549622 << not a bad idea actually. cheers.
1549894;1475093153;a111;Logged on 2016-09-28 10:27 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549523 just take a cheap flight somewhere else, then ryanair
1549895;1475093203;asciilifeform;shinohai: 'filtration system, a marvel to behoooold!1111'
1549896;1475093257;shinohai;wrong buffer my apologies asciilifeform
1549897;1475094253;diana_coman;fwiw pete_dushenski I flew with Ryanair and I would advise against them unless you are either a. desperate b. really curious of how a plane can feel like the old-times local bus for local peasants, chicken and other animals combined; they have the most obnoxious "service" I ever saw filled with loud and frequent "offers" to buy all sorts and *advertisement* in the cabin; not to mention interesting fees such as "fuel fee" (I wou
1549898;1475094253;diana_coman;ldn't be surprised if they added meanwhile some "Oxygen fee")
1549899;1475094472;pete_dushenski;diana_coman: aha. i've heard similar horror stories and given that it'll be a family trip and that i'm NOTPOOR(tm)(r), i'll probably be looking at deals to the mainland and ~cost-effective~ proposals to the isles. the customer "service" and baggage issues that have been relayed to me previously were similarly cautionary.
1549900;1475094523;mircea_popescu;lol
1549901;1475094544;mircea_popescu;they finally made the timeshare scam into flight ?
1549902;1475094552;diana_coman;oh, I did not mention the backseats that do not recline and the very, VERY limited leg-space
1549903;1475094685;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: more like they finalyl made the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549705 scam into flight
1549904;1475094685;a111;Logged on 2016-09-28 15:08 mircea_popescu: dubious, because the "basic necessities" a la mchappy meal never needs to cost anything, which is why it's two dollars ; and actual food is already going into a spiral.
1549905;1475094693;shinohai;!!key thestringpuller
1549906;1475094695;diana_coman;since Lithuania managed to end up in the interesting position of having 2 (at least, I did not even check if it doesn't have more than that) airports and no airline, Ryanair were the only ones to fly directly there
1549907;1475094695;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/7pph1/?raw=true
1549908;1475094709;mircea_popescu;how is lithuania ?
1549909;1475094718;diana_coman;still, after one trip with them I prefer by far to fly into Riga and take the bus or car to Vilnius from there
1549910;1475094741;pete_dushenski;obligatory, http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/kaunus-lithuania-the-least-terrible-place-for-the-conference-fourth-edition/
1549911;1475094752;mircea_popescu;ah i recall that.
1549912;1475094776;diana_coman;is that kaunas, pete_dushenski ?
1549913;1475094791;pete_dushenski;the only and only!
1549914;1475094801;pete_dushenski;or one and only, if you prefer
1549915;1475094829;diana_coman;aha, yeah, that's the smaller airport, quite all right for what it's used actually
1549916;1475094923;pete_dushenski;like most second-biggest cities, kaunus also doesn't feel overly polished, uberglitzed, and overrun with tour busses the way vilnius or riga do
1549917;1475094940;pete_dushenski;it's well kept but not ~too~ well kept
1549918;1475094964;diana_coman;heh, pete_dushenski have you been to some of the smaller/more provincial ones? Panevezys comes to mind, lol
1549919;1475095078;pete_dushenski;iirc i drove through pranvezys on the road back from vilnius to riga but didn't really stop. spent a bit more time in klaipeda and area
1549920;1475095119;diana_coman;vilnius got a total makeup when it was eu cultural capital thing (and yes, several locals complained to me that it's worse for all that polish) but the uberglitzed area to my mind is just the very-very small bang-centre: cathedral and that molehill they call the castle
1549921;1475095152;diana_coman;well, there is ~nothing to see in Panevezys, that's the point: kind of industrial, provincial town, poor and stinky all around
1549922;1475095180;pete_dushenski;heh i can see that.
1549923;1475095183;diana_coman;for the more touristical thing I'd say probably Trakai
1549924;1475095231;*;pete_dushenski looks up trakai, swoons slighty
1549925;1475095608;pete_dushenski;diana_coman: it's true that the over-polished vilnius area is scarcely larger than a football pitch, but it's still a chunk of real estate devoid of the character of the rest of the country. eu-ification for all! rationalism uber alles! it's a shame, yes, but mostly for the inconsistently - the partial transplant - like the handsome black man with a single emaciated white arm surgically attached where his
1549926;1475095609;pete_dushenski;own once was. it's... off.
1549927;1475095640;diana_coman;hmmm, I think you are reading into it from a predefined perspective really
1549928;1475095655;diana_coman;they *rebuilt* the damn "castle"
1549929;1475095667;diana_coman;out of desperation to have the "lithuanian" thing
1549930;1475095686;diana_coman;iirc took out the red pavement on the red street because ahem, RED
1549931;1475095723;diana_coman;but you know, they are in the end in quite a pickle because "lithuanian" would be what, Grand Duchy of Lithuania, right?
1549932;1475095731;pete_dushenski;lol! and yet this doesn't strike you as surgical mengelism ?
1549933;1475095772;diana_coman;it doesn't strike me as specifically eu per se
1549934;1475095773;asciilifeform;speaking of baltic heroes, pete_dushenski will probably enjoy http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549604 .
1549935;1475095773;a111;Logged on 2016-09-28 04:58 asciilifeform: and, somewhat relatedly, https://archive.is/0Etht .
1549936;1475095873;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: aha. glanced at it. some people know how to hold a grudge, what can i say.
1549937;1475095975;shinohai;!~later tell thestringpuller http://ix.io/1rjz
1549938;1475095975;jhvh1;shinohai: The operation succeeded.
1549939;1475096452;pete_dushenski;diana_coman: what's specifically 'eu' about the baltic, yugoslavian, romanian, what have you arrangements is that the fancy town squares and rebuilt castles were the bait and switch in exchange for monetary hegemony. there are exceedingly few examples of such peaceful expansion of territory in my historical memory banks (though i'm open to being disabused of this notion)
1549940;1475097121;diana_coman;well, at the end of the day that IS the local character; previously it was the all-the-same blocky/stocky/commie townhalls, what; previous to that it was the catholic cathedrals etc; really what you deem "local character" vs "uberglitz, eu-ification" is just a matter of personal preference I'd say; I was suggesting you visit Panevezys precisely because that IS more of the "local" character than the well-groomed Kaunas at the en
1549941;1475097121;diana_coman;d of the day
1549942;1475097234;diana_coman;fwiw Vilnius' really "old" area is slightly behind the so-called "old town" and perhaps the more "artsy" area along the river
1549943;1475097814;pete_dushenski;http://cascadianhacker.com/the-hilarious-unprofitability-of-uber#comment-16 << paging ben_vulpes
1549944;1475098664;pete_dushenski;diana_coman: my take on the eu-ification and commie blockiness is the same and quite disjunct from the catholic era : it's that the latter day ("tomorrow is a latter day", anyone?) implementations are superficial and have no particular bearing in the locality. in the same way that having modern art and architecture looks identical worldwide is nauseating, so too is the token clean street in whatever
1549945;1475098666;pete_dushenski;eu-expansion capital. it's all to evident that, like the romans in palestine or usd as world reserve or facebook as #1sm, it's a temporary occupation.
1549946;1475099625;pete_dushenski;in other transformations, http://sgmacro.blogspot.ca/2013/07/transformation-of-mirror-spider.html
1549947;1475099685;pete_dushenski;https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8646/16594020176_e5d7ddfb03_o.gif << and you thought jooz were shifty.
1549948;1475099790;shinohai;http://archive.is/R5PKk   <<< Man in gorilla mask shows up at blm protest to hand out bananas wrapped in nooses.
1549949;1475100317;pete_dushenski;"According to a news release from the public safety office, freshman Tristan Rettke was charged with civil rights intimidation." << not charged with mocking the gorilla-gendered students ? weird. i guess there's a lot of ways to cut the phony pie.
1549950;1475100401;shinohai;Some speech is more protected than others.
1549951;1475100402;pete_dushenski;http://archive.is/dd1zs << photo of bathing ape preserved
1549952;1475100447;pete_dushenski;shinohai: gorillas inter pares
1549953;1475100541;shinohai;lo
1549954;1475100653;shinohai;I insist they are not nooses, but merely handy lanyards to assist with transport.
1549955;1475100716;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: shit damn
1549956;1475100857;pete_dushenski;ikr.
1549957;1475100875;pete_dushenski;shinohai: sort of like the plastic rings for 6-packs!
1549958;1475100882;pete_dushenski;just... southern style
1549959;1475100932;shinohai;Exactly! He was probably just concerned about everyone's potassium intake, it's still kinda hot during the day here in the South.
1549960;1475101039;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: also, i'd humbly suggest ch add at least one layer of embedded replies. also, one excellent habit that i picked up from mp was to answer any and all comments on the blog. it's a two-way street this internet thing and responding with something as simple as a "cheers" is encouraging for readers.
1549961;1475101122;pete_dushenski;given that the us pretty much only has soft power left, encouragement is one of its few remaining weapons.
1549962;1475101172;ben_vulpes;good points all
1549963;1475101203;ben_vulpes;i don't know what you mean by embedded replies
1549964;1475101221;pete_dushenski;tabbed, indented
1549965;1475101229;ben_vulpes;try <blockquote>?
1549966;1475101234;ben_vulpes;oh, the comments themselves
1549967;1475101240;pete_dushenski;bingo
1549968;1475101278;ben_vulpes;well feedback received. i'm not particularly in the mood to dive into the php any time soon.
1549969;1475101311;ben_vulpes;grunting on wwwtronix is bad for the soul.
1549970;1475101326;pete_dushenski;no rush, it's your blerg
1549971;1475101380;shinohai;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/karma-1.jpg   <<< I like how there is handy sign asking la gente not to steal the hangars
1549972;1475101395;shinohai;What kind of neighborhood do you live in mircea_popescu ?
1549973;1475101613;ben_vulpes;lol shinohai karma!!!
1549974;1475101640;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i would also like to shoot the inane smileys in the head, but there are only so many hours in the day and i only have two hands.
1549975;1475101776;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i know i'm using heathen-wp but is there not a checkbox in the settings in wp-mp for emoticon switch-off (if that's the smileys you mean) and comment indentation ?
1549976;1475101850;ben_vulpes;ah found the nested option
1549977;1475101878;ben_vulpes;and the smileys
1549978;1475101883;ben_vulpes;thanks pete_dushenski !
1549979;1475101893;pete_dushenski;np amigo
1549980;1475101914;ben_vulpes;comments should also approve if you've commented before, but...
1549981;1475101946;pete_dushenski;my guess is different ip addys caused the hold-up last time
1549982;1475102013;ben_vulpes;c'est possible
1549983;1475102028;ben_vulpes;checkbox schmeckbox, nesting doesn't appear to be working
1549984;1475102029;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1549985;1475102096;pete_dushenski;o.O maybe mircea_popescu has pixie dust he can share then
1549986;1475102144;ben_vulpes;possibly the template doesn't support it?
1549987;1475102171;pete_dushenski;aha that's entirely possible
1549988;1475102198;phf;i don't think classic supports nesting (default does though)
1549989;1475102214;ben_vulpes;ah thanks phf
1549990;1475102231;ben_vulpes;let me tell you how much i want to port comment threading between wordpress themes
1549991;1475102234;pete_dushenski;in other nuts and bolts (of possible interest to machinists present), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptAkpqjtMQ
1549992;1475102326;phf;ben_vulpes: i was using intellij idea to hack on it, and i have to say, it's not that bad.
1549993;1475102326;ben_vulpes;that is some grade a advertronix
1549994;1475102381;ben_vulpes;odd heat shape
1549995;1475102388;ben_vulpes;head*
1549996;1475102531;*;ben_vulpes now watching midair refueling mishaps on the "joint forces channel"
1549997;1475102534;pete_dushenski;bbl.
1549998;1475102539;ben_vulpes;"here let us show you how many times we can fuck this up"
1549999;1475102577;phf;my recommended for you is "Angelina Jolie Admits To Illuminati Sacrifice In Leaked ..."
1550000;1475102680;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, refactoring spreadsheets suxx
1550001;1475102718;phf;should've kept some employees to do it for you
1550002;1475103176;ben_vulpes;employees
1550003;1475103178;ben_vulpes;faugh
1550004;1475105312;mircea_popescu;shinohai what do you mean kind ?
1550005;1475105343;mircea_popescu;i generally park the girls on a circle a few miles around the local university campus.
1550006;1475105365;mircea_popescu;seems to work best for everyone involved.
1550007;1475105683;ben_vulpes;phf: sarcasm level at...0? 5?
1550008;1475105705;*;asciilifeform has a veryspeshulsurprise for folx, coming up.
1550009;1475105772;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#447 << it's a setting in settings. you're not the only one.
1550010;1475105772;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1550011;1475105773;shinohai;rhetorical question poking fun at hilarious signage xD
1550012;1475105773;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1488: invalid continuation byte]
1550013;1475105812;mircea_popescu;shinohai ah, that was in the province. some small town north of ba
1550014;1475105841;shinohai;I dunno why I find that so delightfully hilarious ....
1550015;1475105855;mircea_popescu;hey, you're not the only one :)
1550016;1475105907;shinohai;Future home of an Argentine abortion clinic.
1550017;1475106035;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160928/#472 << phf is becoming an online ad network!!1
1550018;1475106035;scriba;Something went wrong while attempting to read the log.
1550019;1475106036;scriba;Exception: ['utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 1488: invalid continuation byte]
1550020;1475106058;mircea_popescu;Framedragger eh could this stop being a thing!
1550021;1475106171;ben_vulpes;encoding
1550022;1475106173;ben_vulpes;pain
1550023;1475107281;shinohai;thestringpuller apparently we missed this giant blockchain meet in Atlanta everyone was a part of https://twitter.com/bandofcoders/status/781261716034158592
1550024;1475107306;shinohai;Standing room only.
1550025;1475107696;mod6;in mom's attic
1550026;1475107820;shinohai;fluffypony was guest speaker and got monero to sponsor the hot pockets for lunch
1550027;1475110449;asciilifeform;aaaaand...
1550028;1475110507;deedbot;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 << Loper OS - How to Make Your Own Lamport Parachute from Common Household Materials.
1550029;1475110514;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS
1550030;1475110519;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al ^
1550031;1475110522;phf;asciilifeform early today http://65.media.tumblr.com/fc0a3d8f787458407801a272028d7746/tumblr_oe8af78O5f1uu4f9zo1_500.jpg
1550032;1475110534;asciilifeform;phf: lel
1550033;1475110673;*;mircea_popescu likes the new blog-inclined alf!
1550034;1475110773;asciilifeform;i blame mircea_popescu for this one!111
1550035;1475110806;mircea_popescu;why blame! did you know blaming uses 79 muscles whereas hitting someone over the head only uses 21 ?
1550036;1475110861;shinohai;With a V-genesis and all asciilifeform ... impressive stuff
1550037;1475110924;asciilifeform;anyone who followed along and was able to (or not...) to fit-in-head, please let me know.
1550038;1475111096;mircea_popescu;very apt observation re the value of bitcoin as forever-time-anchor btw.
1550039;1475111102;mircea_popescu;most derps miss the important points.
1550040;1475111127;asciilifeform;old hat. everything in this piece is old, old hat. but i was unable to turn it up in one place, and so here it goes.
1550041;1475111158;mircea_popescu;you know, quantum mechanics is "old hat" in the sense that well... it was there since forever.
1550042;1475111372;mircea_popescu;that zdnet article is shockingly braindamaged.
1550043;1475111422;asciilifeform;there is not, sadly, a sane exposition known to me.
1550044;1475111436;mircea_popescu;by now it's pretty much a game of duck duck goose in republican writings ; whenever the empire products get linked they stand out like that finger ( http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/patau-trisomy.jpg )
1550045;1475111449;asciilifeform;lolyes.
1550046;1475111499;mircea_popescu;ooooh
1550047;1475111503;mircea_popescu;dude, yes.
1550048;1475111519;asciilifeform;which yes
1550049;1475111534;mircea_popescu;"To make use of such a key, the owner hashes the payload being signed, and for each bit that is equal to 0 in the resulting hash, reveals the original pre-hash string from column A, whereas if it is equal to 1 he reveals a pre-hash string from column B." << this is the RIGHT THING.
1550050;1475111592;asciilifeform;aha, the good doktor lamport knew what he was doing.
1550051;1475111625;mircea_popescu;do you have a check that A and B count is at least payload bytes ?
1550052;1475111636;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, cool!
1550053;1475111658;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~no checks.
1550054;1475111665;asciilifeform;thing is for DIDACTIC use.
1550055;1475111667;asciilifeform;write yer own.
1550056;1475111668;asciilifeform;like v.
1550057;1475111672;mircea_popescu;aite.
1550058;1475111874;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it might interest you that your blog sent out 0 pingbacks
1550059;1475111890;asciilifeform;iirc i nuked'em
1550060;1475112097;mircea_popescu;ah. it is a public disservice though, people reading through eg, one of the trilema pieces you linked, might wish to know that there's something on loper related to the discussion.
1550061;1475112135;asciilifeform;i like backlinks to be a deliberate thing, rather than pissed into the aether willy-nilly
1550062;1475112146;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu wants to link to my www, he can do it when ~he~ feels like it
1550063;1475112147;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1550064;1475112163;mircea_popescu;well that's a link. a backlink is backwards.
1550065;1475112236;phf;fyi, http://btcbase.org/patches/lam-par-genesis
1550066;1475112244;asciilifeform;ty phf !
1550067;1475112263;mircea_popescu;nice
1550068;1475112281;mircea_popescu;lol try  http://btcbase.org/patches/ phf
1550069;1475112298;mircea_popescu;anyway, wouldn't it be nice if /patches/ includes a list of all heads ?
1550070;1475112417;phf;oh, yeah, i introduced that bug during recent rewrite, and forgot to fix..., it should properly redirect to http://btcbase.org/patches
1550071;1475112453;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=lam-par&search= << neato.
1550072;1475112512;asciilifeform;aaaanyway comments/nitpicks welcome.
1550073;1475112588;mircea_popescu;nice
1550074;1475112597;mircea_popescu;dude this is such a great thing.
1550075;1475113074;asciilifeform;note that we hash the raw random bits, and not their ascii representations. this may seem unnecessary but we do not want any known structure in the inputs to H.
1550076;1475113085;mircea_popescu;aha.
1550077;1475113094;asciilifeform;lamport did not specify this, but imho it is obvious.
1550078;1475113104;mircea_popescu;it is quickly becoming apparent that the one strategic material of the coming war shall be random bits.
1550079;1475113111;mircea_popescu;gotta build some oilfields stat.
1550080;1475113147;asciilifeform;at least partly the purpose of this piece is to make the reader understand that his household is short on rng bitz.
1550081;1475113623;ben_vulpes;i'll keep reading this until my illness subsides and frees my brain
1550082;1475113674;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: linked piece does not require much brain, fortunately, it is about the simplest publickey sig algo ever devised
1550083;1475113680;asciilifeform;~wholly mathematics-free.
1550084;1475113801;shinohai;./lamport_mkpriv.sh 256 512 > privkey.txt #Go make tea and smoke
1550085;1475113812;asciilifeform;shinohai: or urandom.
1550086;1475113823;asciilifeform;if you just really wanna see what happens.
1550087;1475113831;shinohai;I'm Patient
1550088;1475113841;asciilifeform;shinohai: could take a week, easily.
1550089;1475113856;shinohai;O.o ok urandom it is
1550090;1475114130;*;asciilifeform bbl
1550091;1475115526;mod6;asciilifefor some good news (your seal verifies with your genesis vpatch), and some bad news (your genesis vpatch contains timestamps): http://dpaste.com/2TCT5ND.txt
1550092;1475115599;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550091 << oh for fucks sake
1550093;1475115599;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 02:18 mod6: asciilifefor some good news (your seal verifies with your genesis vpatch), and some bad news (your genesis vpatch contains timestamps): http://dpaste.com/2TCT5ND.txt
1550094;1475115609;asciilifeform;i'ma fix this when i get back up
1550095;1475115615;asciilifeform;from bed.
1550096;1475115646;asciilifeform;and ruthlessly hunt & kill the old vdiff.sh on all of my boxes.
1550097;1475115678;mod6;no prob. just thought i'd report.
1550098;1475115682;mod6;have a good night
1550099;1475115718;asciilifeform;oh i'm not sleeping
1550100;1475115732;asciilifeform;just horizontal .
1550101;1475115740;mod6;ok :]
1550102;1475115883;shinohai;http://archive.is/516O8  "Go and Rust are compelling, safe languages for writing the type of systems software that has traditionally been written in C."
1550103;1475115903;shinohai;Eat your heart out, covertress.
1550104;1475115916;BingoBoingo;!!up fromloper
1550105;1475115916;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1550106;1475115935;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> just horizontal . << The decadent life of a Saint!
1550107;1475115959;asciilifeform;too many deadly sinz here fer sainthood
1550108;1475115968;asciilifeform;right now - sloth
1550109;1475115983;asciilifeform;( for a while, lust )
1550110;1475115988;asciilifeform;soon - gluttony
1550111;1475116032;BingoBoingo;Only sins when taken to excess. Otherwise merely instincts.
1550112;1475117380;mod6;phf: you may want to add the 'makefiles.vpatch' to your patch thingy.
1550113;1475117769;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/datskovskiy-publishes-tool-for-making-parachute-lamport-keypairs/ << Qntra - Datskovskiy Publishes Tool For Making "Parachute" Lamport Keypairs
1550114;1475121188;BingoBoingo;Quite the cliffhanger on South Park. Will the Cartman vaginaballs plot be resolved!
1550115;1475122176;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lam-par/lam-par-genesis.vpatch and http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lam-par/lam-par-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig have been reground. thx to mod6's eagle eye.
1550116;1475122188;asciilifeform;phf ^
1550117;1475122191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1550118;1475122198;asciilifeform;and whoever else was awake for the broken original.
1550119;1475122407;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/CebQE
1550120;1475122470;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i actually saw ' Clarissa Explains It All ' .
1550121;1475122474;asciilifeform;believe or not.
1550122;1475122485;BingoBoingo;I haven't even seen that
1550123;1475123679;*;mircea_popescu has been reading up on robert mccormick. interesting fellow.
1550124;1475123821;asciilifeform;oooh yes.
1550125;1475123944;asciilifeform;one of those duded on whose vintage compressed farts what's left of usa still runs.
1550126;1475123946;asciilifeform;*dudes
1550127;1475123967;mircea_popescu;well, not a great fan of roosevelt, at any rate. nor muchly loved by the "comedians" of his era.
1550128;1475124199;asciilifeform;it is not clear that roosevelt was an avoidable pit.
1550129;1475124241;mircea_popescu;well... who's to know. twit nearly avoided himself, if you recall that incident when escort subs nearly sunk his boat.
1550130;1475124249;asciilifeform;>1.
1550131;1475124327;asciilifeform;also worth noting that , when he finally keeled over at his desk, the replacement was ~same.
1550132;1475124352;mircea_popescu;this is like saying that the replacement cockroach was also a cockroach.
1550133;1475124359;asciilifeform;noshit.
1550134;1475124361;mircea_popescu;of fucking course, what'd you expect, flying pixie  squirrels ?
1550135;1475124370;asciilifeform;well, say, an ant.
1550136;1475124377;asciilifeform;or weevil. or somebody.
1550137;1475124509;mircea_popescu;well... truman vs roosevelt does fit a weevil vs cockroach sort of profile, to my eye
1550138;1475124609;mircea_popescu;and in other "wikipedia knowledge", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transposition_cipher
1550139;1475124827;asciilifeform;if we must pediwikiate, more interesting is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIC_cipher .
1550140;1475124882;asciilifeform;'The ultimate development along these lines was the VIC cipher, used in the 1950s by Reino Häyhänen. By this time, most Soviet agents were instead using one-time pads. However, despite the theoretical perfection of the one-time pad, in practice they were broken, while VIC was not.'
1550141;1475124888;mircea_popescu;well no, at least that's an actual thing. as opposed to theoretical pieces badly written by idiots.
1550142;1475124988;asciilifeform;vic was historical, and interesting, and the linked trestment is not wholly bad.
1550143;1475124998;asciilifeform;*treatment
1550144;1475124999;mircea_popescu;right.
1550145;1475125024;asciilifeform;part of a family of 'lost hand-cranked technologies'.
1550146;1475125073;asciilifeform;i aim to salvage these. lamportron, for instance, is entirely suited to hand-cranked use in junglr conditions - 0 bignums...
1550147;1475125130;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1550148;1475152666;adlai;asciilifeform: very cool little tool! but rereading the logs, i'm unclear what mircea_popescu  means by "on the basis of rng" http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-27#1549184
1550149;1475152666;a111;Logged on 2016-09-27 16:39 mircea_popescu: this doesn't matter so much, future cryptosystem will be made on the basis of rng ; rng can work with pubkey as entropy source.
1550150;1475153109;*;adlai brushes up on his unix utils, trying to cram alf's lampochute into his head
1550151;1475154947;mircea_popescu;adlai it's an assumption of the nature of "whatever engine may in the future be devised, 1) it will run on fuel, and 2) that fuel will be derivable from gasoline".
1550152;1475155053;adlai;ok, but i still don't understand the rest of that line.
1550153;1475155213;mircea_popescu;what is the output of rng ?
1550154;1475155321;adlai;it should be ~unique each time you run the rng, but if your 'entropy' source is a piece of data (public key), doesn't your rng turn into a p-rng?
1550155;1475155396;mircea_popescu;and in other "xmas early preparations" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/bbf7ebcaa035ca25e05c0603ddd005f9/tumblr_mxlwvalkVx1shrpk8o2_r1_1280.jpg
1550156;1475155401;mircea_popescu;adlai what, not how.
1550157;1475155415;adlai;bits?
1550158;1475155423;mircea_popescu;it's a stream of bits. exactly. so is a key.
1550159;1475155452;mircea_popescu;the quality of the fuel is not involved in the discussion of fuel. this sort of separation of concerns is what alf correctly points out constitutes all science.
1550160;1475155551;mircea_popescu;(but yes, i did say pubkey where i should have said privkey for sanity. the problem is that in the scenario discussed there's no difference.)
1550161;1475156921;mircea_popescu;!!up dharkmadder
1550162;1475156921;deedbot;dharkmadder voiced for 30 minutes.
1550163;1475157535;shinohai;!!up dharkmadder
1550164;1475157535;deedbot;dharkmadder voiced for 30 minutes.
1550165;1475157554;dharkmadder;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/w86zf/?raw=true
1550166;1475157557;deedbot;354F203FB6BDFCFCE74B54ADA0FB5A05C9774581 registered as dharkmadder.
1550167;1475158948;asciilifeform;adlai: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17920
1550168;1475159181;asciilifeform;^ further use cases for lamportron.
1550169;1475160056;mircea_popescu;adlai for the record it's not exactly "security theatre". a large list of ingredients goes into what exactly makes me disdain X item ; that's definitely one of them.
1550170;1475160069;mircea_popescu;what random idiots self report is entirely uninteresting, you know ?
1550171;1475160439;shinohai;http://archive.is/J3KX6   <<< example of what random idiots reporting on may look like
1550172;1475160490;shinohai;(warning, lot's of I couldn't break Bitcoin butthurt in there)
1550173;1475160581;asciilifeform;'He was concerned about the team’s communication skills and lack of maturity, which has compromised bitcoin’s ability to attract new protocol developers.' << lel
1550174;1475160615;asciilifeform;either these folk never tire, or the rubbish is actually churned out by fresh crop of conscripts every quarter
1550175;1475160776;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550160 << lulzily enough, the fact that it is physically impossible to generate a ~private~ privatekey from a public string... didn't stop usg from trying! see old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1084135
1550176;1475160776;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 13:25 mircea_popescu: (but yes, i did say pubkey where i should have said privkey for sanity. the problem is that in the scenario discussed there's no difference.)
1550177;1475160776;a111;Logged on 2015-04-02 14:58 asciilifeform: 'Boneh, in joint work with Matt Franklin, constructed a novel pairing-based method for identity-based encryption (IBE), whereby a user's public identity, such as an email address, can function as the user's public key. Since then, Boneh's contributions, together with those of others, have shown the power and versatility of pairings, which are now used as a mainstream tool in cryptography. The transfer of pairings from theory t
1550178;1475160926;asciilifeform;(in actuality, in 'identity-based' crypto, folks actually encipher to a pubkey that is produced by F(Pc, X) where Pc is the chump's email addr and X is a public key of the great inca; chump (email addr holder) can decipher with his Pk_c private key, and so can the inca.
1550179;1475160928;asciilifeform;)
1550180;1475160985;asciilifeform;think 'pgp but with delegation to slaves'. usg is/was for some reason obsessed with such schemes.
1550181;1475161925;asciilifeform;for BingoBoingo ( or whoever put it there ) >> https://www.reddit.com/r/cryptography/comments/55077h/how_to_make_your_own_lamport_parachute_from/d86tmfi
1550182;1475162045;asciilifeform;and holy FUCK, the sheer depth of retardation,
1550183;1475162054;asciilifeform;'So if it is claimed that the Guy Fawkes protocol is not really a signature, then the onus would be on the objector to show how to deal with the many other kinds of signature that use interaction, as well as the importance of context — the framework of certification and revocation services, legal conventions and so on — to the utility of digital signatures. In most applications, the value of signatures ultimately depends on conve
1550184;1475162054;asciilifeform;ntion (such as a digital signature law, or a contract between members of an EDI system) and the validation of even conventional digital signatures involves reference to an online or at least near real-time certificate revocation list.'
1550185;1475162074;asciilifeform;since when is 'the onus would be on the objector' ?!
1550186;1475162264;asciilifeform;'What is actually happening of course is that a middleperson attacking the integrity channel has to participate in it from the start; she cannot join in later' << mighty heavy limba de lemn ...
1550187;1475162573;BingoBoingo;lol
1550188;1475162830;BingoBoingo;!!up ser
1550189;1475162830;deedbot;ser voiced for 30 minutes.
1550190;1475164719;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160929/#157 << i see your lulz and raise you a drip : http://67.media.tumblr.com/8fe00c962dba30fb6a99b9a8bb01ac8f/tumblr_njf0wvTPvg1sxskljo1_500.gif
1550191;1475164720;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-29: [14:48:10] <shinohai> (warning, lot's of I couldn't break Bitcoin butthurt in there)
1550192;1475164776;mircea_popescu;Elliot Maras has reported on the payments industry and financial services for trade publications and websites for several years. He is based in Cleveland, Ohio. << for the shitlist.
1550193;1475164798;mircea_popescu;derps are now reduced to mfa websites filled by ohioan fiverr copywriters ffs.
1550194;1475164891;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160929/#163 << it's really the ideal crypto surogate as far as usg is concerned. chumps can't see each other through the walls of the star pattern ; usg can see all.
1550195;1475164891;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-29: [14:55:26] <asciilifeform> (in actuality, in 'identity-based' crypto, folks actually encipher to a pubkey that is produced by F(Pc, X) where Pc is the chump's email addr and X is a public key of the great inca; chump (email addr holder) can decipher with his Pk_c private key, and so can the inca.
1550196;1475164974;mircea_popescu;it's funny how on every single iteration, at every level, in every novel context and at each turn the socialist empire meets in the field the same very nude declaration of nature that "you may not exist, vermin". EVERY time.
1550197;1475165015;mircea_popescu;never gives up, tries again, "revolution", "progress", it's the lulz of all time. to think all this running away, running in circles, chasing of tail etc is simply the devil trying to somehow, hopefully, beyond all hope escape the fact that there really isn't any room for it here.
1550198;1475165038;mircea_popescu;like a strange sort of animated snowball in hell, sizzling like butter on the hot stove every which way.
1550199;1475165106;mircea_popescu;(in this particular case, it's a case of "according to the empire worldview, the correct crypto would be based on creating privkeys out of public strings, with a dab of emperor's own pubes" "this may not exist ; here's the proof")
1550200;1475165240;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160929/#167 << " If it performs as advertised it isn't snakeoil, even if its limitations makes it useless for your own usecase" i lolled.
1550201;1475165241;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-29: [15:14:05] <asciilifeform> and holy FUCK, the sheer depth of retardation,
1550202;1475165262;asciilifeform;except that it is falsely advertised as 'equivalent to real signatures'
1550203;1475165263;mircea_popescu;what the everloving fuck ELSE is snakeoil but "stupid shit that behaves as advertised  and yet is not useful for any usecase"
1550204;1475165350;asciilifeform;lulzily enough, best as i can tell, 'guy fawkes algo' is actually ~= the scheme i suggested here a few days ago.
1550205;1475165391;asciilifeform;the one with the H(S+J) and the multiple timestamps, etc.
1550206;1475165429;mircea_popescu;no, seriously, i should like to see a case of historical snake oil that DIDN'T fit that bill. all the way to wja bailey's "radium is restoring health to thousands" radithor
1550207;1475165522;mircea_popescu;(in case anyone thought "let's add fluoride to water" is some sort of novel insanity : as american as apple pie. this schmuck added radium for the EXACT same purpose - it'll strengthen your teeth, cure gout and female anoyingness.)
1550208;1475165618;mircea_popescu;"fluoridated water worked fine until his jaw came off" for great lulzstice.
1550209;1475165979;asciilifeform;if ssri'd water were economically-feasible, it would probably have been made sop in the '90s.
1550210;1475166182;mircea_popescu;oya.
1550211;1475166490;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q3/656 << in other lulz, Run Moar IPv6.
1550212;1475166852;mircea_popescu;old news neh ?
1550213;1475166871;mircea_popescu;ie, same exact issue existed in arp / ip
1550214;1475166873;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17919 << in other noose.
1550215;1475166928;asciilifeform;!#s cat-v
1550216;1475166929;a111;18 results for "cat-v", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cat-v
1550217;1475166936;mircea_popescu;why is bash bad for your karma again ?
1550218;1475166942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: drepper
1550219;1475166966;asciilifeform;(bash, that is. not cat-v, who are smart folk and oughta be here)
1550220;1475166968;shinohai;escalade privileges? I've always wanted a Caddy SUV
1550221;1475167020;mircea_popescu;wait, drepper what ?
1550222;1475167070;asciilifeform;bash.
1550223;1475167074;mircea_popescu;dude...
1550224;1475167086;mircea_popescu;shall there be had a verb out of you ?
1550225;1475167244;mircea_popescu;http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.internationalization.linux/1374 << in other lulz.
1550226;1475167291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it 404s.
1550227;1475167369;mircea_popescu;i get an "archived at nothing found - bye" notice
1550228;1475167380;asciilifeform;aha, i assumed this was their 404.
1550229;1475167385;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/lfGEc << like that. well...
1550230;1475167547;asciilifeform;aha
1550231;1475167645;asciilifeform;http://harmful.cat-v.org << in other lulz
1550232;1475167763;mircea_popescu;so is the conclusion here that "bash is bad for your karma" because "drepper told eberlein in 2007* that they only support bash over at libc" ? (*= https://www.sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2007-01/msg00042.html )
1550233;1475168065;asciilifeform;bash is 'heavy' and somewhat infested (e.g., 'shellshock' circus and sequelae); sh - less.
1550234;1475168086;asciilifeform;so i can see the angle.
1550235;1475168173;mircea_popescu;well sure. on the other hand, sh is also less used. for all you know it has three shellshocks.
1550236;1475168189;asciilifeform;partly why i have not formally weight in on subj.
1550237;1475168202;asciilifeform;also i can't say that i am especially at this point interested in attempts at unix sanitation.
1550238;1475168209;*;mircea_popescu would like to convey this discussion to commenter. maybe ask him to join here ?
1550239;1475168217;mircea_popescu;yeah, but maybe ~he~ is. who knows.
1550240;1475168312;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17922 << fwiw.
1550241;1475168349;mircea_popescu;nice.
1550242;1475168505;asciilifeform;http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/utf-8_history << moar lelz
1550243;1475168719;mircea_popescu;!!rate Mariono 1 Euloran
1550244;1475168720;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/tzldf/?raw=true
1550245;1475168743;mircea_popescu;!!v EC52ECFA8DB46EB24459AAD5C88B1C1D895335D9B6EA779673534380704A7D92
1550246;1475168743;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated Mariono 1 << Euloran
1550247;1475169010;phf;sh (bourne shell) is almost never actually deployed on systems anymore. when people say "sh" they usually mean "posix compliant subset of shell language that was once implemented as sh, and now written into the standard". on linux sh is bash in compatability mode, on bsd sh is ksh also in compatability mode. fwiw busybox supports posix sh, but doesn't have bash
1550248;1475169044;mircea_popescu;aha.
1550249;1475169060;mircea_popescu;kinda why i wanted to inquire around the root of that palm "tree".
1550250;1475169072;asciilifeform;aha, it is why you won't find a 'sh' tarball in, e.g., your gentoo's /usr/portage/distfiles.
1550251;1475169148;asciilifeform;and i realize now that all of my boxes that 'only have sh' are actually busyboxtrons (e.g., pogo)
1550252;1475169186;asciilifeform;(for the uninitiated, 'busybox' is simply a 'swiss army knife' thing that stuffs simplified versions of ~every~ basic unix util into 1 executable)
1550253;1475169662;phf;i thought busybox at some point was a contender for tmsros user space
1550254;1475169794;phf;oh i updated the btcbase version of lam-par
1550255;1475169844;asciilifeform;ok, watch this:
1550256;1475169845;asciilifeform;$ od -N 32 -An -t x1 /dev/urandom | tr -d " \n"
1550257;1475169845;asciilifeform;b2c5ca41cc3d8dcbea8b88c549d984191b7839ac3d858bc8fd706cbf85e0927e
1550258;1475169847;asciilifeform;but.
1550259;1475169860;asciilifeform;$ od -N 32 -An -t x1 /dev/zero | tr -d " \n"
1550260;1475169860;asciilifeform;00000000000000000000000000000000*
1550261;1475169863;asciilifeform;MOTHERFUCKER
1550262;1475169871;asciilifeform;WHO GAVE YOU PERMISSION TO 'COMPRESS"
1550263;1475169876;asciilifeform;not in the man page, also.
1550264;1475169887;asciilifeform;burn it all.
1550265;1475169889;asciilifeform;with flamethrowers.
1550266;1475169909;phf;kek
1550267;1475169934;asciilifeform;-v seems to kill it.
1550268;1475169971;phf;it does, same behavior on bsd fwiw
1550269;1475170134;phf;mod6: makefile is now in stable, nicely tying everything together, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable
1550270;1475170155;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches/makefiles
1550271;1475170210;whaack;Greetings I'm trying to get a trb node running and I've gotten stuck during sync at block height 212033 any help would be appreciated here is the last 1k lines of my debug.log dpaste.com/03P772C
1550272;1475170311;asciilifeform;phf et al:  http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lam-par/lam-par-genesis.vpatch and http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lam-par/lam-par-genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig have been reground. again.
1550273;1475170321;asciilifeform;!!up Mariono
1550274;1475170322;deedbot;Mariono voiced for 30 minutes.
1550275;1475170340;Mariono;so how to claim the free btc ?
1550276;1475170356;Mariono;i already played a game and have a pgp message for claim the free bits
1550277;1475170362;mircea_popescu;Mariono say !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ny9dw/?raw=true
1550278;1475170370;Mariono;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/tzldf/?raw=true
1550279;1475170381;Mariono;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ny9dw/?raw=true
1550280;1475170402;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1550281;1475170403;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1550282;1475170415;mircea_popescu;o.O
1550283;1475170426;mircea_popescu;Mariono you encrypted it. don't encrypt it.
1550284;1475170435;mircea_popescu;just sign
1550285;1475170440;Mariono;ohw oke :D
1550286;1475170440;asciilifeform;whaack: describe your built please
1550287;1475170451;asciilifeform;*build
1550288;1475170468;asciilifeform;whaack: and, where are you syncing from ?
1550289;1475170504;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahahahaha.
1550290;1475170523;Mariono;!!deed http://pastebin.com/hCSYt9Ar
1550291;1475170530;mircea_popescu;luser friendly, bitch! are you a luser ? no ? then whadda ya want!
1550292;1475170552;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1550293;1475170562;mircea_popescu;trinque http://deedbot.org/faq.html is mebbe out of date also ?
1550294;1475170599;mircea_popescu;Mariono raw text, not html.
1550295;1475170630;Mariono;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c3gw6/?raw=true
1550296;1475170642;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1550297;1475170651;mircea_popescu;you just put the signature part. needs whole message.
1550298;1475170673;mircea_popescu;it looks like this : http://deedbot.org/deed-430460-1.txt
1550299;1475170759;asciilifeform;$ od -N 32 -An -t x1 -v /dev/zero | tr -d " \n" | ./lamport_encode.sh privkey.txt | ./lamport_decode.sh sha256sum pubkey.txt
1550300;1475170759;asciilifeform;0
1550301;1475170761;asciilifeform;MOTHERFUCKER
1550302;1475170766;asciilifeform;bc TRUNCATES ZEROES
1550303;1475170795;asciilifeform;BURN
1550304;1475170807;mircea_popescu;lmao
1550305;1475170811;whaack;asciilifeform: I built following the steps of http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html the online build section on a ubuntu 12.04 and by "where" do you mean my general lat/lng?
1550306;1475170816;mircea_popescu;what an useful exercise this has turned out to be
1550307;1475170821;asciilifeform;'useful'
1550308;1475170841;asciilifeform;whaack: what's in your '--addnode ...' ?
1550309;1475170841;mircea_popescu;whaack he just means what ips have you specified to connect to if any.
1550310;1475170865;mircea_popescu;!#s 212033
1550311;1475170866;a111;1 result for "212033", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=212033
1550312;1475170916;mircea_popescu;whaack how long has it been running / how long has it been stuck ?
1550313;1475170967;whaack;I tried connecting to each individual node in the "trusted node" with -connect=ip -maxconnetions=1 -nolisten but when I did that debug.log kept showing askfor tx xxxxx 0
1550314;1475171009;whaack;I've had it running for a few days, and it's been stuck on 212033 for about 24hrs of runtime I believe
1550315;1475171022;mircea_popescu;hm.
1550316;1475171045;mircea_popescu;is the system low on ram ?
1550317;1475171102;thestringpuller;"If anything, having nice things on credit is not a bad strategy if you never paid the bills really and someone took losses instead" << US Millennials really believe this while riding around in a used BMW they technically don't own.
1550318;1475171115;Mariono;btw mircea_popescu how to insert the message into it ?
1550319;1475171120;whaack;it has 2g of ram
1550320;1475171125;thestringpuller;When did scamming become a fucking business strategy?
1550321;1475171132;mircea_popescu;whaack did you restart it in the 24 hours ?
1550322;1475171139;whaack;yeah a few times
1550323;1475171178;mircea_popescu;there's no specific problem known at that height ; trb does tend to want to use about 4gb or so if it can get to it.
1550324;1475171208;mircea_popescu;Mariono it should have an option for "sign only" or "clearsign" or somesuch.
1550325;1475171336;Mariono;i dont see sign only
1550326;1475171348;Mariono;in the kleopatra just have pgp sign like this http://postimg.org/image/ygfw0njgv/
1550327;1475171402;Mariono;i found it
1550328;1475171419;mircea_popescu;was it s/mime sign ?
1550329;1475171420;Mariono;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oj0id/?raw=true
1550330;1475171440;Mariono;like that right mircea_popescu
1550331;1475171453;deedbot;rejected: 1
1550332;1475171467;mircea_popescu;o.O
1550333;1475171471;mircea_popescu;Mariono yup, like that.
1550334;1475171476;Mariono;rejected?
1550335;1475171491;mircea_popescu;trinque any idea why it rejects ? i see gpg: Good signature from "Mariono (Marionobitcointalk)
1550336;1475171506;mircea_popescu;Mariono dun worry about it, you;re all set ; will have your payment later today.
1550337;1475171516;mircea_popescu;oh dang.
1550338;1475171526;mircea_popescu;Mariono bitcoin addresses start with 1 not with 3. do it again with a proper one.
1550339;1475171534;Mariono;ohw
1550340;1475171542;Mariono;the 3 is multisig address :D
1550341;1475171551;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you.
1550342;1475171570;Mariono;wait i will make a new one
1550343;1475171578;mircea_popescu;alright.
1550344;1475171631;Mariono;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hin6p/?raw=true
1550345;1475171663;deedbot;rejected: 1
1550346;1475171676;mircea_popescu;Mariono ok, NOW you're good. you will have your payment later today.
1550347;1475172100;asciilifeform;REGROUND AGAIN.
1550348;1475172104;asciilifeform;article - corrected.
1550349;1475172110;asciilifeform;thing is now... 69 lines.
1550350;1475172205;asciilifeform;now,
1550351;1475172206;asciilifeform;$ od -N 32 -An -t x1 -v /dev/zero | tr -d " \n" | ./lamport_encode.sh privkey.txt | ./lamport_decode.sh sha256sum pubkey.txt
1550352;1475172206;asciilifeform;0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1550353;1475172210;asciilifeform;^ correct ^
1550354;1475172232;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu, phf , et al. ^
1550355;1475172297;asciilifeform;$ echo "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001" | ./lamport_encode.sh privkey.txt | ./lamport_decode.sh sha256sum pubkey.txt
1550356;1475172297;asciilifeform;0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
1550357;1475172300;asciilifeform;^ likewise correct.
1550358;1475172436;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550319 << 2g is on the low side.
1550359;1475172436;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 17:45 whaack: it has 2g of ram
1550360;1475172464;asciilifeform;btw, mircea_popescu , mod6 , et al: might be interesting to have a mempool-less mode (block relay only) for cases like this.
1550361;1475172586;whaack;alright I'll get more ram on my machine then. that being said you don't imagine this would be a reason for it to stall for 24hrs on a single block?
1550362;1475172678;asciilifeform;whaack: packets sent between btc nodes on the wild net have been known to 'mysteriously' vanish, like in bermuda triangle. the folks who control the backbones dislike bitcoin. the gold standard for syncing a newly-birthed node is to do so with a working node on your lan, or otherwise, if transporting it is impractical, via ssh tunnel to same.
1550363;1475173058;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550269 << tight
1550364;1475173058;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 17:28 phf: mod6: makefile is now in stable, nicely tying everything together, http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable
1550365;1475173280;asciilifeform;mod6 et al : was there a particular reason this one -- http://btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools -- was not considered for the release ? remind me. dun look like this was in the logz...
1550366;1475173307;asciilifeform;( or, e.g., http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_sendrawtransaction_rpc )
1550367;1475173421;asciilifeform;( i could even see an argument that, e.g., rawtx eater doesn't belong in trb , and that tx ought to be injected via the ordinary tcp method. but i dun recall having this argument )
1550368;1475173700;trinque;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/oj0id/?raw=true
1550369;1475173703;deedbot;accepted: 1
1550370;1475173730;trinque;mircea_popescu: Mariono: I need to fix key sync between the two servers involved in deeds
1550371;1475173743;*;trinque puts on the list
1550372;1475173791;trinque;afaik this is the first n00bdeed in a while, which is cool.
1550373;1475173809;ben_vulpes;phf: why doesn't funkenstein's privkey tool patch show up on the patch graph?
1550374;1475173813;mod6;asciilifeform: No vpatches, other than critical ones + the makefiles were considered.  There is a blerb in the forthcoming SoBA that we will begin again taking a look at some of these that have been submitted.
1550375;1475173825;asciilifeform;ok makes sense
1550376;1475173851;trinque;ben_vulpes: I don't think it got in before other vpatches changed the antecedents
1550377;1475173858;trinque;needs a regrind
1550378;1475173869;ben_vulpes;'ground out', ah.
1550379;1475175016;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually the mempool-node and the blockchain-node split is pretty evident and definitely necessary. they got spit-glued together because well, early on in the prototyping phase people didn't know what's the engine and what's gonna be the carriage so just made one ball of everything.
1550380;1475175030;whaack;asciilifeform: is there a box I can create an ssh tunnel to? would I do something along the lines of ssh sync@46.166.165.30 -L 9001:127.0.0.1:8333 and then run bitcoind with -connect=127.0.0.1:9001?
1550381;1475175044;mircea_popescu;whaack it is entirely possible that your node is stuck on validating that block because of lack of ram, yes.
1550382;1475175046;mircea_popescu;!!up catvorg_cultist
1550383;1475175047;deedbot;catvorg_cultist voiced for 30 minutes.
1550384;1475175068;mircea_popescu;whaack it's also possible you have one of the mysterious connectivity issues we've kept seeing but never managed to properly document. seems less likely.
1550385;1475175086;mircea_popescu;there's a ream of other possible explanations also, at this juncture.
1550386;1475175093;mircea_popescu;catvorg_cultist you the guy from alf's blog ?
1550387;1475175116;catvorg_cultist;yes
1550388;1475175142;catvorg_cultist;disclaimer: i'm not actually a part of cat-v.org group.
1550389;1475175147;BingoBoingo;<Mariono> the 3 is multisig address :D << Not a real thing.
1550390;1475175161;whaack;fwiw if I connect to only your "trusted nodes" list I connect but don't get back any resposes from asktxn requests etc. (assuming "askfor tx xxxx 0" in debug.log means the request returned nothing)
1550391;1475175190;mircea_popescu;catvorg_cultist cool. so check this out : http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160929/#203
1550392;1475175191;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-29: [16:35:36] <mircea_popescu> why is bash bad for your karma again ?
1550393;1475175244;mircea_popescu;whaack how do you run it, something like -connect=108.31.170.49 -connect=54.187.227.228 -connect=46.166.165.30 -connect=91.218.246.31 -connect=172.86.178.46 -connect=50.168.67.12 ?
1550394;1475175292;whaack;./bitcoind -connect=108.31.170.49 -nolisten -maxconnections=1
1550395;1475175297;whaack;cycling through them one at a time
1550396;1475175301;mircea_popescu;you can use multiple in one go.
1550397;1475175305;catvorg_cultist;it's non-standatd, it's full of undefined behavior and stupid gotchas like these http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
1550398;1475175346;BingoBoingo;Now kkksh far more standards compliant or at least more deterministic where it isn't
1550399;1475175361;catvorg_cultist;Also it's bloated
1550400;1475175386;mircea_popescu;amusingly, "always use quotes" and "don't use the sh wordsplitting" is good advice for sh just as much.
1550401;1475175390;catvorg_cultist;Also also shellshock,
1550402;1475175393;mircea_popescu;after all, they fucking invented that.
1550403;1475175443;mircea_popescu;catvorg_cultist as pointed in the logs, non-bash is simply not used ; so the fact that dumb holes like that weren't found is not actually much proof they're not there.
1550404;1475175489;catvorg_cultist;Well, the gospel recommends ditching sh completely and using rc shell from plan9 instead, but guess when this will happen en masse
1550405;1475175512;mircea_popescu;masse isn't that much of a concern.
1550406;1475175539;catvorg_cultist;it's a concern for loperos guy
1550407;1475175561;BingoBoingo;Nah, eventually he's going to Chinese FPGA his own lisp machine
1550408;1475175575;mircea_popescu;catvorg_cultist loperos guy = asciilifeform aka alf.
1550409;1475175609;whaack;alright now i connected to the six you listed and I seem to be getting responses for my askfor tx requests, I'll leave this running for another 24hrs while I get more ram (should take about a week) and report back
1550410;1475175615;catvorg_cultist;alf is that american tv show about an alien who eats cats.
1550411;1475175633;mircea_popescu;apt.
1550412;1475175642;mircea_popescu;"Cat-v.org Random Contrarian Insurgent Organization" (from http://cat-v.org/ ) << check those cats out lol.
1550413;1475175669;mircea_popescu;whaack if you're inclined to tinker, you may try making the ring buffer discussed in the logs ; should solve the problem permanently.
1550414;1475175672;mircea_popescu;huge task though.
1550415;1475175760;BingoBoingo;catvorg_cultist: This alf prefers to watch unkept cats oppress local vermin
1550416;1475175797;mircea_popescu;o look, there's even an irc.
1550417;1475175802;mircea_popescu; $cat-v
1550418;1475175903;mircea_popescu;pretty quiet.
1550419;1475175940;catvorg_cultist;I should probably join that channel too at some point.
1550420;1475175954;catvorg_cultist;Or just use irc more often in general.
1550421;1475176011;mircea_popescu;well depends what you're trying to do.
1550422;1475176014;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550397 << the 'sub-shells' idiocy melted my brain when i was writing http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lam-par/lamport_decode.sh .
1550423;1475176014;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 18:55 catvorg_cultist: it's non-standatd, it's full of undefined behavior and stupid gotchas like these http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
1550424;1475176024;mircea_popescu;anyway, consider registering your pgp key with deedbot, so you can self-voice.
1550425;1475176035;asciilifeform;didja know, folks, that you cannot exit-with-return-code the script from a 'subshell' ?
1550426;1475176052;asciilifeform;because it has genuinely nfi, apparently, that it is a sub.
1550427;1475176065;mircea_popescu;this is correct, no ?
1550428;1475176090;asciilifeform;'correct' in the down's syndrome sense.
1550429;1475176123;mircea_popescu;well, correct in the sense of simplicity. otherwise what do you do, maintain state ?
1550430;1475176131;asciilifeform;if 'subshells' were a rare and largely unnecessary thing, that'd be one thing. but shells as a rule offer no clean way of doing 1,001 things other than subbing out to self
1550431;1475176152;mircea_popescu;-ChanServ- [#cat-v] Welcome to #cat-v.  State your assumptions or prepare to be boarded. << the similarities are striking.
1550432;1475176156;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the answer is called 'environment' and was a solved problem in lisp circa 1958.
1550433;1475176179;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform unix is more of a 1948 concern.
1550434;1475176280;catvorg_cultist;We must protect the "environment".
1550435;1475176311;asciilifeform;environments in the lisp sense, which resemble c-machine stack frames except not retarded.
1550436;1475176414;asciilifeform;'If a filename contains whitespace, it undergoes WordSplitting. Assuming we have a file named 01 - Don't Eat the Yellow Snow.mp3 in the current directory, the for loop will iterate over each word in the resulting file name: 01, -, Don't, Eat, etc. If a filename contains glob characters, it undergoes filename expansion ("globbing"). If ls produces any output containing a * character, the word containing it will become recognized as a
1550437;1475176414;asciilifeform;pattern and substituted with a list of all filenames that match it.'
1550438;1475176425;mircea_popescu;aha.
1550439;1475176444;asciilifeform;also exemplary retardation. yeeeeh let's have null-terminated strings!111 we Luuuuuv doing O(N) length calculation, and random breakage !
1550440;1475176475;asciilifeform;and especially string operations that never see their null and fail to terminate!
1550441;1475176477;mircea_popescu;http://harmful.cat-v.org/society/gay_marriage << kinda lulzy.
1550442;1475176497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but it is not bash's fault that unix uses null-term strings.
1550443;1475176550;asciilifeform;tru
1550444;1475176589;asciilifeform;this is more re the folly of trying to clean this cloaca maxima.
1550445;1475176615;mircea_popescu;the above is fucking correct behaviour (on the part of bash), it's your job to not do that to it. what.
1550446;1475176640;mircea_popescu;why not use globbing properly for crying out loud.
1550447;1475176703;asciilifeform;because car where each wheel has to be steered separately belongs in the scrapyard. and its builder - in meatyard.
1550448;1475176718;asciilifeform;filename is an atom except when i EXPLICITLY desire the opposite.
1550449;1475176729;asciilifeform;basic sanity ffs.
1550450;1475176749;mircea_popescu;a generation of "if you don't know what a word means, don't go look it up in the dictionary, it's not like western culture is a thing or that you're bound to it my precious snowflake! you can do anything, so ~guess~ what might have been meant!" cca 1960s ran into the products of a generation that made things very much like an ak, cca 1940s. the results are exactly of this nature,
1550451;1475176763;mircea_popescu;"oh, but i ~intuited~ in my very special place that parsing ls output is the way to go!"
1550452;1475176810;asciilifeform;the point of even ~having the os~ to begin with is so that i do not have to steer the fuckingwheels separately.
1550453;1475176821;asciilifeform;if i wanted to steer'em separately, i would and could run on bare iron.
1550454;1475176828;asciilifeform;filenames - atomic.
1550455;1475176850;mircea_popescu;i'm not defending unix notations.
1550456;1475176862;asciilifeform;!!up catvorg_cultist
1550457;1475176862;deedbot;catvorg_cultist voiced for 30 minutes.
1550458;1475176868;asciilifeform;see also the thread re error codes
1550459;1475176911;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537203 <<
1550460;1475176911;a111;Logged on 2016-09-08 14:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-08#1537103 << see also >> http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3141310154691952@naggum.no.html
1550461;1475176924;mircea_popescu;ftr i'm not even sure i've even seen spaces in filenames outside of windowze.
1550462;1475176933;asciilifeform;the 'minimalism' of unix - and yes, of plan9, and the entire c-os universe - is a cardboard sham
1550463;1475176958;mircea_popescu;on the web they become i%20am%20a%20windows%20fucktard.docx or such. because willy-nilly space is a thing.
1550464;1475176977;asciilifeform;because the work of checking for error conditions ~still has to be done~, the os simply unloads it onto the back of programmer, and this could be lived with, except that it is ~not made possible~ for the programmer to unwind every possible condition.
1550465;1475177001;asciilifeform;( forget, for a moment, that this violates the promise that had us accept there being an os to begin with )
1550466;1475177004;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2016/09/criminal-gang-in-dc-passes-another-resolution-to-continue-spending/ << Qntra - Criminal Gang In DC Passes Another Resolution To Continue Spending
1550467;1475177064;mircea_popescu;in other news, i am enjoying the trifecta of superb coffee + local cognac + homemade muffins.
1550468;1475177073;mircea_popescu;lyf is gowd.
1550469;1475177214;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550461 << point is not that they are common, but that they are 1) possible and 2) change behaviours of various utils in nonsensical ways.
1550470;1475177214;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 19:22 mircea_popescu: ftr i'm not even sure i've even seen spaces in filenames outside of windowze.
1550471;1475177234;asciilifeform;a bug triggered by a case that won't happen in 10,001 years is STILL A BUIG
1550472;1475177235;asciilifeform;BUG
1550473;1475177246;asciilifeform;like that 000000000....... thing from a few hrs ago
1550474;1475177335;asciilifeform;and keep in mind, not all files are created from hand-cranked operations
1550475;1475177421;mircea_popescu;i agree spaces in filenames should not be possible. nor for that matter any utf-8 bullshit.
1550476;1475177448;mircea_popescu;all filenames should consist strictly of alphanum characters ; and if the os simply purged anything else, AND clobbered all files that thereby ended up with the same name into a single file, i'd applaud.
1550477;1475177473;mircea_popescu;a "bug" that is introduced by trying to "support" idiots is not a bug. it is trying to support idiots. do not do that.
1550478;1475177536;catvorg_cultist;clobbered in what order?
1550479;1475177587;mircea_popescu;undefined.
1550480;1475177602;catvorg_cultist;okay
1550481;1475177682;catvorg_cultist;what was the name of that Rust clone of Unix, which run with "everything is a hyperlink".
1550482;1475177706;catvorg_cultist;I guess it can do %20 instead of whitespaces no problem.
1550483;1475177728;mircea_popescu;yes but this is too kind.
1550484;1475177781;catvorg_cultist;found it https://www.redox-os.org/
1550485;1475178101;phf;plan9 standardized on quotes as a way to print/read filenames with special symbols (like space and newline) in it, but none of the filter tools support that convention, so awk print $1 will happily render "foo\space, grep will grep for "foo\newline with rest of filename cutoff in both cases
1550486;1475178112;catvorg_cultist;>I was specifically and deliberately uninterested in using for this tutorial any language that is not already present on every reasonable box
1550487;1475178135;catvorg_cultist;Wasn't most popular language javascript?
1550488;1475178159;asciilifeform;catvorg_cultist: telling me that it functions IDENTICALLY wherever present?!
1550489;1475178195;catvorg_cultist;Any opinions on asm.js?
1550490;1475178195;asciilifeform;( not to mention, on plenty of my boxes it is NOT present )
1550491;1475178211;asciilifeform;fuck js and the horse it rode in on, and the ground under the horse, and the rock under the ground.
1550492;1475178214;asciilifeform;with flamethrower.
1550493;1475178231;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is going to run the us presidential elections. FUCK THE MALL TO DEATH!
1550494;1475178274;phf;you could probably write to ecmascript 5, but even then you're not going to have enough to support what ascii is trying to do. for one, there are no integers.
1550495;1475178330;asciilifeform;not only that, but that it is even CONCEIVABLE that i might have to care about some future browser wart.
1550496;1475178340;mircea_popescu;did we yet do this lulz https://twitter.com/tmsr ?
1550497;1475178350;asciilifeform;or to treat the output of idiot cocklets from 1990s as if it were hardware.
1550498;1475178354;asciilifeform;fuck'em with red hot irons.
1550499;1475178355;asciilifeform;all of'em.
1550500;1475178435;phf;we broke ascii, we need more newblood here to immunize us against random "why not use rust in docker container!!"
1550501;1475178465;mircea_popescu;kik
1550502;1475178852;mircea_popescu;in other news, this cat-v thing mostly looks like "an approximation of tmsr pops up every 10 years ; this is the 2005 version"
1550503;1475179098;mircea_popescu;"dear alice, my wife really sucks at poledancing. wut do?" http://66.media.tumblr.com/1924a0bc3bd8c7e48fbf461b1e193627/tumblr_nhuwsuIjBc1sdeu3bo1_1280.jpg
1550504;1475179745;phf;i like how cat-v hosts their own copies of frequently linked rants, so that in a conversation one can just reference harmful.cat-v.org. like here's linus on c++, http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linus
1550505;1475179750;phf;!#s I_did_it_for_you_all
1550506;1475179751;a111;3 results for "I_did_it_for_you_all", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=I_did_it_for_you_all
1550507;1475179962;mircea_popescu;aha.
1550508;1475179969;mircea_popescu;almost like a primitive log.
1550509;1475180174;phf;i like the whole 9front, plan9 fork, aesthetic, http://9front.org/img/thinkaboutthefuture.front.png but with plan9 influence they obviously started drinking the go koolaid, http://ninetimes.cat-v.org, lots of go tools, but "NOTE: This page ceased updating in October, 2012". i wonder if that's when they realized that they are drinking from google's corporate spittoon
1550510;1475180227;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform you'd love these people. chat just exploded in a spontaneous demonstration of local brawn and might since i was there, much like a rus' village cca 1600 would. and the whole thing more or less consists of an ad hoc primitive argument for "fiots in head".
1550511;1475180671;ben_vulpes;in which /me discovers http://www.vitanuova.com/
1550512;1475180685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how lond does a /stats/ pageload take on phuctor ?
1550513;1475180757;phf;ben_vulpes: inferno is entirely written in a precursor language to Go
1550514;1475180780;ben_vulpes;i was unaware that Go had precursors!
1550515;1475180799;*;ben_vulpes imagined it springing forth fully formed from the forehead of some unknown in the google pits
1550516;1475180821;phf;"limbo"
1550517;1475180868;phf;i think precursor to that was newsqueak
1550518;1475180912;ben_vulpes;interesting
1550519;1475180959;ben_vulpes;phf: ever work with any of it?
1550520;1475181205;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it ain't logged anywhere, is it..?
1550521;1475181212;mircea_popescu;nope.
1550522;1475181225;asciilifeform;care to paste?
1550523;1475181225;mircea_popescu;they're primitive for a reason. illiterate.
1550524;1475181228;mircea_popescu;aite a sec
1550525;1475181249;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/yn61w/?raw=true
1550526;1475181271;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550512 << depending on how long it's been since anybody loaded it, can take up to 30s...
1550527;1475181271;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 20:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how lond does a /stats/ pageload take on phuctor ?
1550528;1475181307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform takes me about a minute or two even now, though i loaded it minutes ago
1550529;1475181323;mircea_popescu;the phuctored page is quick tho, which is what i cared about
1550530;1475181347;asciilifeform;they're all cached. the problem is that caching the stats page does little good, it changes
1550531;1475181360;mircea_popescu;aha. alrighty.
1550532;1475181426;asciilifeform;'Sep 29 16:57:33 <dv->	keep your filthy buttcoins' << lol!
1550533;1475181461;mircea_popescu;just like the strippers, back in 2012.
1550534;1475181471;mircea_popescu;there's something fundamental about stupidity.
1550535;1475181670;asciilifeform;'Sep 29 17:32:52 <mircea_popescu>	well no, and i can't remedy that, because no logs.
1550536;1475181670;asciilifeform;Sep 29 17:33:00 <khm>	system working as intended'
1550537;1475181675;asciilifeform;gotta love imbecilistans.
1550538;1475181904;trinque;ben_vulpes: who does that remind you of?!11!
1550539;1475181956;ben_vulpes;that unremarkable cult of dipshits where the incompetents won.
1550540;1475181959;trinque;lel
1550541;1475181966;trinque;hell that's too broad
1550542;1475181979;trinque;in other news, goodbye to guy named for club in which he isn't.
1550543;1475182004;mircea_popescu;it's basically ~= teenage girlies at their first frat party.
1550544;1475182042;ben_vulpes;trinque: and /i'm/ being too broad now?
1550545;1475182060;ben_vulpes;anyways fuck that guy.
1550546;1475182063;trinque;last part.
1550547;1475182065;mircea_popescu;lol what ? why ?
1550548;1475182081;ben_vulpes;his fat face fills me with rage.
1550549;1475182090;mircea_popescu;you... have a face for the name ?!
1550550;1475182095;ben_vulpes;different name, sorry.
1550551;1475182102;trinque;I was making fun of the guy who parted.
1550552;1475182104;mircea_popescu;pizzaman1337 you know you're still doing the login wrong. gotta put the mask on first.
1550553;1475182136;trinque;prior to that making fun of mutual acquaintences that gendercommit key-value stores written in edgylang
1550554;1475182136;ben_vulpes;trinque: aok i geddit now
1550555;1475182191;ben_vulpes;docking addicts
1550556;1475182527;mircea_popescu;!#s ben stein
1550557;1475182528;a111;0 results for "ben stein", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ben%20stein
1550558;1475182533;mircea_popescu;!~google ben stein
1550559;1475182534;jhvh1;mircea_popescu: Ben Stein: <http://www.mrbenstein.com/>; Ben Stein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein>; Ben Stein - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0825401/>
1550560;1475182641;mircea_popescu;til. check out what the made-for-tv jew stereotype is named! BEN STEIN!
1550561;1475182770;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oh ffs, cat-v appears to be ~redditesque pigsty, i have nfi why to bother.
1550562;1475182792;mircea_popescu;mildly amusing. besides i'm waiting on some stuffs.
1550563;1475183063;asciilifeform;that'd be the, what, 2nd time someone 'you couldn't possibly be The Real mircea_popescu !111' , neh ?
1550564;1475183066;asciilifeform;3rd ?
1550565;1475183113;mircea_popescu;more like 3kth, but whatevs.
1550566;1475183201;mircea_popescu;so basically, the cat-v story is, they had a mp. who died. the end.
1550567;1475183209;mircea_popescu;well, naggum-died, but anyway.
1550568;1475183218;asciilifeform;happens.
1550569;1475183273;mircea_popescu;apparently it happens all the damned time wtf is with these people.
1550570;1475183296;asciilifeform;or how about the thing where they insist on leaving no record of back when they were potentially interesting.
1550571;1475183324;asciilifeform;( helps , i suppose, the wankers to pretend to be 'continuing', i suppose )
1550572;1475183372;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1550573;1475183446;BingoBoingo;<trinque> in other news, goodbye to guy named for club in which he isn't. << Reminds me I should get back to work on that fanfic because cults are so unfair
1550574;1475183478;mircea_popescu;hey yeah, the hell on weens is almost here!
1550575;1475183511;BingoBoingo;We know what is under vaginas, but what is under James!!!
1550576;1475185501;mircea_popescu;and in other sponsored sorority news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/4cf6122d2618de27b482e248d21ceb34/tumblr_msw2dsRCwz1sz3m7oo1_1280.jpg
1550577;1475185802;phf;this was fun to watch, until it got depressing somehow. retrocomputing conversation killed me though, so if there's a continuation to the saga, remaining observers please share
1550578;1475186201;mircea_popescu;i kinda lost interest myself.
1550579;1475186209;mircea_popescu;why are they so fucking petrified of me anyway.
1550580;1475186595;BingoBoingo;They saw how fast your attention drew Microshaft into fucking the OpenBDSM community.
1550581;1475186685;phf;i suspect at some point their antagonism was byproduct of the kind of work they did, but now, with no work or direction left, antagonism is all that's left. it was really odd, i kept expecting everyone to just shake hands though..
1550582;1475186830;phf;i was part of a similar channel, where snr started dropping rapidly and the founder didn't have the heart to start removing people. a handful of us who were actually doing things just ended up moving to a different, much smaller channel. i remember one of the guys who started ineptly throwing weight, kremlin, from that other channel. useless hangeron. the default banter just reminded of the other low snr place...
1550583;1475186919;BingoBoingo;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/09/29/is-so-unfair-cycle-1/ << To be continued
1550584;1475186937;deedbot;http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/09/29/is-so-unfair-cycle-1/ << Bingo Blog - Is So Unfair Cycle 1
1550585;1475187439;pete_dushenski;<sl_>its not necessary for me to tear down linux, its necessary for linux to demonstrate some worth << sounds an awful lot like "what is the value of the sun to me" or at least a very ustardian sort of "passive resistance is teh real resistance" as per campus banana hanger, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549948
1550586;1475187439;a111;Logged on 2016-09-28 21:56 shinohai: http://archive.is/R5PKk   <<< Man in gorilla mask shows up at blm protest to hand out bananas wrapped in nooses.
1550587;1475187490;pete_dushenski;in any event, kudos to mircea_popescu for the staying power demonstrated in #cat-v! gems were mined, oh how the lulzgems were mined.
1550588;1475187850;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17924 << meanwhile, some folx luuvvv to complain.
1550589;1475188148;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550582 << struck me as an entire pit full of nubbinses.
1550590;1475188148;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 22:07 phf: i was part of a similar channel, where snr started dropping rapidly and the founder didn't have the heart to start removing people. a handful of us who were actually doing things just ended up moving to a different, much smaller channel. i remember one of the guys who started ineptly throwing weight, kremlin, from that other channel. useless hangeron. the default banter just reminded of the other low snr place...
1550591;1475188163;asciilifeform;was apparent 30 seconds in.
1550592;1475188178;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: what's with these pseudonymous commenters who don't link to their own personal blogs ?
1550593;1475188183;asciilifeform;nfi
1550594;1475188241;pete_dushenski;unless they're regulars of yours...
1550595;1475188273;phf;asciilifeform: i had cat-v and 9front in some high regard, i was actually surprised there was a channel, with ~people~ in it
1550596;1475188292;phf;turns out, markov chain generators
1550597;1475188305;asciilifeform;at one time i took an interest in plan9
1550598;1475188331;asciilifeform;then realized that 'bonsai' versions of objectionable large things will inevitably grow into the selfsame objectionable large thing.
1550599;1475188333;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: bravo on the parachute btw. looking forward to more publishings that 'everyone knows already' but really doesn't and that are 'incredibly obvious to alert reader' but really aren't.
1550600;1475188356;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: didja work through the exercise ?
1550601;1475188361;asciilifeform;that was sorta the point
1550602;1475188400;pete_dushenski;up to my ears atm
1550603;1475188417;asciilifeform;lolk.
1550604;1475188587;asciilifeform;http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/today << lelz, apparently funkenstein made his own chan, a while ago, complete with logs, bots, etc.
1550605;1475188647;mircea_popescu;pretty cool.
1550606;1475188734;mircea_popescu;phf i dunno, doesn't register as antagonism in my head, just pure fear. which is weird, but w/e.
1550607;1475189032;BingoBoingo;!~bcstats
1550608;1475189033;jhvh1;BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 432132 | Current Difficulty: 2.4122720022999103E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 433439 | Next Difficulty In: 1307 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1550609;1475189250;*;mircea_popescu shall have to reserve a quiet hour for this drinking record.
1550610;1475189276;*;asciilifeform bbl - meat!
1550611;1475189307;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Tis short. I'm trying the episodic thing
1550612;1475189656;shinohai;Did I miss a drinking record post while I ws down? /me searches lawgs
1550613;1475189749;BingoBoingo;shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550583
1550614;1475189749;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 22:08 BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/09/29/is-so-unfair-cycle-1/ << To be continued
1550615;1475189801;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1550616;1475189934;shinohai;A serial!
1550617;1475190137;mircea_popescu;phf it should perhaps be pointed out that the relation between current population of random channel and software/essaywriting projects of a guy dead half decade ago may well be tenuous. imagine if you were trying to judge say masamune on basis of #clim
1550618;1475190445;mircea_popescu;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160929/#601 aus so krummem holze, als woraus der mensch gemacht ist, keine schmeichelei aufrichtiger or something.
1550619;1475190446;scriba;Logged on 2016-09-29: [22:36:27] <asciilifeform> http://woodcoin.xyz/woodcoin/today << lelz, apparently funkenstein made his own chan, a while ago, complete with logs, bots, etc.
1550620;1475190771;phf;i like the stylesheet
1550621;1475190782;mircea_popescu;meh, cursives.
1550622;1475190825;phf;it's like Ent take on tmsr
1550623;1475190844;mircea_popescu;i think that's kinda the plan. guy has some sort of anthropotree fetish.
1550624;1475190908;phf;ahaha, their logger is maintained by "phm"
1550625;1475190981;mircea_popescu;lol! some guy named  philippe mominykh i hope ?
1550626;1475191088;BingoBoingo;In other noble panics http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=77
1550627;1475192728;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-432139.txt
1550628;1475192879;BingoBoingo;lol that's not a real address in that deed
1550629;1475192943;mircea_popescu;there's a later deed where he gets it right
1550630;1475193007;*;shinohai sighs
1550631;1475193031;trinque;pffflol
1550632;1475193033;trinque;in which case...
1550633;1475193034;mircea_popescu;lost love ?
1550634;1475193037;trinque;!!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/hin6p/?raw=true
1550635;1475193045;shinohai;Imma add "You can piss right off with p2sh addy's" to the instructions.
1550636;1475193051;*;trinque put through the wrong one
1550637;1475193058;deedbot;accepted: 1
1550638;1475193078;mircea_popescu;shinohai not a bad idea.
1550639;1475194529;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-432142.txt
1550640;1475194613;mod6;asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/3YP79KE.txt << looks good, thanks for the updates!
1550641;1475200723;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-29#1550626 << lol BingoBoingo i have this in dead tree
1550642;1475200723;a111;Logged on 2016-09-29 23:18 BingoBoingo: In other noble panics http://www.bigheadpress.com/tpbtgn?page=77
1550643;1475200792;asciilifeform;mod6: neato
1550644;1475202178;trinque;asciilifeform: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/dns-over-https << trigger warning
1550645;1475204254;mircea_popescu;google wants all the things huh.
1550646;1475204335;mircea_popescu;and fucking punycode omfg.
1550647;1475205196;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I believe it was discussed in chan before, but Imma rereading it because pretty sure the booze was driving last time.
1550648;1475205217;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it was lulzy
1550649;1475205250;asciilifeform;had parallel universe with non-sucking usa
1550650;1475205265;asciilifeform;and talking gorillas, etc
1550651;1475205489;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in more of the same news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/cd255f83a7fd90090e23fbc88eb290af/tumblr_nervrm4vdj1u279w5o1_500.gif
1550652;1475216224;deedbot;http://www.contravex.com/2016/09/30/on-the-ultimate-justification-of-the-ethics-of-private-property-by-hans-hermann-hoppe-adnotated-part-1/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - On the Ultimate Justification of the Ethics of Private Property by Hans-Hermann Hoppe, adnotated. Part 1.
1550653;1475237541;diana_coman;!!up wawan99
1550654;1475237541;deedbot;wawan99 voiced for 30 minutes.
1550655;1475237550;wawan99;!!register http://pastebin.com/nupCdCi2
1550656;1475237551;deedbot;Import failed for wawan99.
1550657;1475237586;diana_coman;try with it raw wawan99 ...
1550658;1475237679;wawan99;!!register http://pastebin.com/EqNRb7Hu
1550659;1475237685;deedbot;Import failed for wawan99.
1550660;1475237706;wawan99;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/y93ld/?raw=true
1550661;1475237708;deedbot;624D1813BF2C8100A37574C51CC8B8555168C955 registered as wawan99.
1550662;1475237727;wawan99;so what the next step after this diana_coman
1550663;1475237894;diana_coman;download the eulora client and compile it/check it works on your machine; ask for an account; preferably don't quit the irc session, just leave it on until Mircea comes around to make you the account
1550664;1475237929;wawan99;i already download the Eulora app
1550665;1475243429;thestringpuller;eulora has an app now?
1550666;1475243630;shinohai;Surefire way to set your Galaxy Note 7 afire
1550667;1475245419;mircea_popescu;!!key wawan99
1550668;1475245421;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/56p59/?raw=true
1550669;1475245439;mircea_popescu;!!key leo100
1550670;1475245441;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/y74pc/?raw=true
1550671;1475245996;shinohai;!!up kaustin
1550672;1475245996;deedbot;kaustin voiced for 30 minutes.
1550673;1475246046;kaustin;!!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9s1wb/?raw=true
1550674;1475246048;deedbot;F190CDF4CD9484D807F2F41BB1E054F7216294CC registered as kaustin.
1550675;1475246158;mircea_popescu;ahh the new link process is so many thousand times better. wd trinque
1550676;1475246182;shinohai;It has saved on my crayon bill for sure.
1550677;1475246210;mircea_popescu;wtf was that anyway, "go do this and then wait for its imperial majesty usg.sks for until they feel like it". since when!
1550678;1475246357;mircea_popescu;kaustin http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bzvvp/?raw=true
1550679;1475246400;*;asciilifeform sifted through a day's worth of 'cat-v' shitpile, found it quite sufficient
1550680;1475246436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o did you ? i was sitting here wondering if i'm gonna or not.
1550681;1475246469;mircea_popescu;saw last night a lengthy wail about where to buy a laptop on a 100 bux budget from unemployed derps. kinda looking for an excuse to just close it without looking.
1550682;1475246491;asciilifeform;actually that was when i closed.
1550683;1475246535;mircea_popescu;i guess ima skim.
1550684;1475246594;asciilifeform;these folk achieve a rare combination of boredom and actively-infuriating 'sanitation is an affront to the great serpent!11' unwashed orcdom.
1550685;1475246677;asciilifeform;'money is what beer is bought with,' '100 $ laptop,' 'stop logging us,' etc.
1550686;1475246730;shinohai;Wasn't exactly "employed" when I bought new lappy ... simply found work for Bitcoin and purchased the one I wanted.
1550687;1475246852;mircea_popescu;myeah, ok, there's nothing there.
1550688;1475246870;asciilifeform;old, fossilized corpse of ???.
1550689;1475246882;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1550690;1475246934;asciilifeform;somewhat like a livelier current-day #bitcoin-assets
1550691;1475246955;mircea_popescu;shinohai these are some unemployed dorks who scoff at random "mayor of ???" because you know, being an anal child with an internet connection puts the adolescentine mind in this superlative position of JUDGE TOI ALL THINGS, PART OF NONE! ; then their budget for laptops is 100 bux but they scoff at a five laying on the ground, and such following forever. are anonymous, pretend famous people justify themselves to them, on in th
1550692;1475246955;mircea_popescu;is manner forever.
1550693;1475247021;shinohai;Follow directions in http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ , save thy Bits, and in no time at all you can buy something considerably better than $100 laptop
1550694;1475247037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these same folk are equally insufferable when their budget is 100k, it is a mental thing
1550695;1475247067;mircea_popescu;sure. just mentioned because it'd be an opportunity for 'em to grasp the problem.
1550696;1475247084;mircea_popescu;not so many 5k bills laying on ground, so 100k folks don't get this opportunity.
1550697;1475247115;mircea_popescu;(and in general - it is always and everywhere A LOT more work to be poor than to be rich. it's just idiots are REALLY dedicated to being stupid, much moreso than the other group.)
1550698;1475247143;asciilifeform;actually, at least here in the motherland of p.t. barnum, there are countless '5k bills' on the ground
1550699;1475247148;asciilifeform;but they are shaped like 'don't's
1550700;1475247158;asciilifeform;non-participations in various idiocies
1550701;1475247161;mircea_popescu;aha
1550702;1475247171;mircea_popescu;they generally are shaped like don't.
1550703;1475247178;asciilifeform;'don't car loan', 'don't mortgage', ...
1550704;1475247583;mircea_popescu;in other news, this whole "noobs meet bitcoin, rsa and deedbot via eulora" thing is so very instructive.
1550705;1475247617;mircea_popescu;i don't think one can properly appreciate how broken "thought process" is in general population unless they do such. or try to teach. or try to tech support. or practice law. or so following.
1550706;1475247637;mircea_popescu;civil rights ? give me a fucking break, giving the average joe any rights is no different from dressing up a sow.
1550707;1475247652;asciilifeform;'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?!'
1550708;1475247796;mircea_popescu;and those were mps huh.
1550709;1475247803;asciilifeform;aha.
1550710;1475248188;asciilifeform;in other lulz, '...And as commander he was given special permission by Heinrich Himmler to discipline his men however he wished, up to and including executing them. This was an extraordinary privilege for an officer of the German Army, which normally had judicial procedures like any other military force. In the entire millions-strong Wehrmacht, only Dirlewanger had this authority, and he used it liberally... But while he had this mur
1550711;1475248188;asciilifeform;derous authority, Dirlewanger, paradoxically, was also very close to his men. He had a tendency to use informal language and address them by their first names, which was extremely unusual for a German officer. He drank with them, he raped and murdered with them, acted as if he was one of them. He also fought with them, making a point of being in the action far more than most officers of his rank. His calm under fire and his nearly su
1550712;1475248189;asciilifeform;pernatural belonging earned him the impossibly ironic nickname of “Gandhi” among his men.'
1550713;1475248208;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/Ucy0Y << american wanker 'gets it,' but 'doesn't like getting it'
1550714;1475248215;asciilifeform;pretty typical, imho, example.
1550715;1475248431;mircea_popescu;!!rate kaustin -1 Really, scamming for five bux ? Get a job.
1550716;1475248432;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/rtngd/?raw=true
1550717;1475248434;mircea_popescu;!!rate  dharkmadder -1 Really, scamming for five bux ? Get a job.
1550718;1475248435;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/1wciq/?raw=true
1550719;1475248460;mircea_popescu;that didn't take so long now did it.
1550720;1475248475;*;shinohai snickers
1550721;1475248492;shinohai;I actually wondered how long that would take
1550722;1475248505;asciilifeform;what were these, no-shows ?
1550723;1475248533;mircea_popescu;nah, cloning self for reward.
1550724;1475248622;asciilifeform;and dumb enough for it to be obvious ?!
1550725;1475248632;mircea_popescu;how could it not be fucking obvious, they're running my software.
1550726;1475249028;phf;sort of how hapless adventurers sometimes find themselves in a village that's poised on a back of a whale, they always start getting rumbustious, thus waking up the whale and suffering the consequences
1550727;1475249060;asciilifeform;i thought it was normally a dragon.
1550728;1475249091;phf;also sometimes a giant
1550729;1475249304;mircea_popescu;human nature, eh ?
1550730;1475249313;mircea_popescu;how the fuck isn't it human nature to do something useful with oneself ?
1550731;1475249320;mircea_popescu;that's the one fucking thing that never seems to be human nature.
1550732;1475249384;shinohai;Also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=812964
1550733;1475249524;phf;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1507768.msg16411192#msg16411192 hehe
1550734;1475249635;shinohai;Kinda just blew his chances at that anytime soon.
1550735;1475249652;mircea_popescu;lol. for the record, http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-august-2016-statement/#selection-137.0-141.0
1550736;1475249809;shinohai;https://archive.is/Xj5xU   <<< In other scams, accept more 0-conf tx's
1550737;1475253248;thestringpuller;http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-forward-looking-statement-august-2016/#selection-103.181-103.230 << seems all games eventually need marketing
1550738;1475253290;thestringpuller;altho it's interesting given the context here >> http://trilema.com/2013/i-have-no-idea-why-rape-is-against-the-law-while-marketing-is-not/
1550739;1475253784;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : gcc 5 produces eulora binary that works normally ; gcc 6 produces eulora binary that inexplicably works at 0.5 to 1.5 fps.
1550740;1475253791;mircea_popescu;"optimizations" you see. do moar upgrades.
1550741;1475253842;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the definitions involved are at variance.
1550742;1475253931;shinohai;mircea_popescu: gcc6 wouldn't produce binary for me at all :/
1550743;1475253945;mircea_popescu;oh ?
1550744;1475253952;mircea_popescu;i thought that's what made the sad thing you used before
1550745;1475254002;shinohai;Nah last night when I started build it repeatedly failed, so when I compared `env` I noticed that it was using gcc6 on new Jessie
1550746;1475254024;shinohai;switch back to 5 and had 0 issues
1550747;1475254225;mircea_popescu;ah
1550748;1475254263;shinohai;progress
1550749;1475254336;asciilifeform;woah 5
1550750;1475254354;asciilifeform;i've yet to see 5 do much other than barf
1550751;1475257793;mircea_popescu;since september is coming to an end, http://67.media.tumblr.com/aedab12f8a94fb4669c89c546eeb8c94/tumblr_n79sbqIp4j1swhcdao1_1280.jpg
1550752;1475257862;phf;could there be anything more russian
1550753;1475257875;mircea_popescu;she's too dark though neh ?
1550754;1475257935;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/cat-vorg-adnotated/ << Trilema - cat-v.org. Adnotated.
1550755;1475257970;phf;nah, russians bronze when exposed to a lot of sun
1550756;1475258110;mircea_popescu;in the hair ?!
1550757;1475258178;phf;oh oh
1550758;1475258229;mircea_popescu;i mean maybe she's turkish warbooty or w/e, sure.
1550759;1475259906;phf;dirtied up by the khan
1550760;1475261529;PeterL;scoopbot is getting a message of "blocked by cloudflare" when trying to submit links to archive.is, I am taking him offline until I figure out what is going on
1550761;1475261585;phf;:}
1550762;1475261600;mircea_popescu;well now, found a totally epic bug in fucking footnotes
1550763;1475261710;PeterL;dos it have to do with the way the color did not end properly at the bottom of the quote from the cat-v chan?
1550764;1475261783;mircea_popescu;no, apparently a href reference in footnote kills the footnote title somehow
1550765;1475261861;PeterL;http://archive.is/iJ4K7#selection-6731.0-6731.121 looked funny on archive.is, but it looks okay when I load the page directly
1550766;1475261890;mircea_popescu;so far also getting multiple DIFFERENT page renders on the same god damned basic html in various browswers
1550767;1475261926;PeterL;is this going to be a html is shit rant?
1550768;1475261952;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what's going on.
1550769;1475262270;mircea_popescu;ironically, i think the <p> <br /> style construction overwhelms some sort of secret buffer in "process html soup" render engine, resulting in the spwer seen in firefox/archive.is
1550770;1475262272;shinohai;looks garbled to me too
1550771;1475262308;PeterL;so I was playing with the lamport-parachute scripts, and if I run any of them without any arguments it should just print "usage: ...", right? Instead it is closing the terminal window I ran it in?
1550772;1475262323;mircea_popescu;now why the fuck does the wp output <p> <br /> is anyone's guess.
1550773;1475262363;PeterL;It is trying to guess what you mean instead of letting you tell it what you want?
1550774;1475262559;mircea_popescu;actually it seems to convert <font color=lightgray> into <span style="color: #000000;"> ; as none of the font tags are actually ever closed, it results in span overflow and death.
1550775;1475262572;mircea_popescu;here's a lulz : all extant implementations of html have A FIXED SPAN BUFFER.
1550776;1475262582;mircea_popescu;ima write a lolpiece after i fix this.
1550777;1475262616;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-30#1550771 << waiwat?! running on what ?
1550778;1475262616;a111;Logged on 2016-09-30 19:05 PeterL: so I was playing with the lamport-parachute scripts, and if I run any of them without any arguments it should just print "usage: ...", right? Instead it is closing the terminal window I ran it in?
1550779;1475262627;mircea_popescu;windows i'd guess
1550780;1475262634;PeterL;ubuntu
1550781;1475262658;mircea_popescu;ok trilema fixed.
1550782;1475262673;asciilifeform;PeterL: all 4 of'em ?
1550783;1475262688;PeterL;yeah, they all did the same
1550784;1475262695;asciilifeform;what does a script with just    exit 1    do ?
1550785;1475262845;PeterL;nothing
1550786;1475262918;PeterL;hrm, now I tried it again and it worked normally
1550787;1475262951;asciilifeform;burn ubuntu. with flamethrower. problem -- solved.
1550788;1475262980;asciilifeform;it ain't linux - esp. not with the weird broken gui on it
1550789;1475263005;mircea_popescu;hey, nondeterministic runs are entertainment!
1550790;1475263015;PeterL;aha, figured it out: if I do "./scriptname" it works, ". scriptname" closes window
1550791;1475263101;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1550792;1475263110;asciilifeform;noshit
1550793;1475263114;asciilifeform;. in bash == 'source'
1550794;1475263125;asciilifeform;runs in current shell. so exit(1) exits...
1550795;1475263127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform . --help doesn't work though!
1550796;1475263146;PeterL;and how is that different from ./ ?
1550797;1475263165;asciilifeform;no subshell.
1550798;1475263166;shinohai;Per asciilifeform 's instruction to roll yer own, I am doing surgery to put it all in one script
1550799;1475263178;asciilifeform;shinohai: enjoy
1550800;1475263202;asciilifeform;i'd relish seeing N implementations, in N+1 langs, like we had for 'v'.
1550801;1475263205;mircea_popescu;PeterL ./file opens a shell, runs the file, reports results ; . file runs file in current shell, reports results one up.
1550802;1475264199;mircea_popescu;in other news, it's kinda funny to read imdb reviews of bad 2016 movies.
1550803;1475265077;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-good-guys/ << Trilema - The Good Guys
1550804;1475270146;asciilifeform;to briefly continue the unix-is-retarded thread, there is the marvel of gnu screen.
1550805;1475270164;asciilifeform;which, unlike a sane program, cannot be easily terminated from the outside, though it is a userland process
1550806;1475270175;asciilifeform;and dozens of dead 'gnu screens' typically hang around on a box where it is made use of.
1550807;1475270192;shinohai;D:
1550808;1475270200;asciilifeform;(thing hangs on to a pty, so will not die simply from, e.g., nuking the xterm from which you ran it)
1550809;1475270223;asciilifeform;nor is it easily killed in-band, because it is a terminaltron and expects C-c etc.
1550810;1475270285;asciilifeform;most infuriatingly, the manual specifies various ways to kill it, which, depending on what it is plugged into, may or may not work. and may or may not emit some sort of mortal piss down the line, which could be connected to a nuke for all knows, before death.
1550811;1475270358;asciilifeform;if somebody would like to recommend some proggy for speaking to serial ports that 1) isn't gnu screen 2) doesn't shit all over the living room precisely like gnu screen 3) doesn't have 'gui' --- i'm all ears.
1550812;1475270435;asciilifeform;the most agonizing thing in this example is that i am quite unsure if the ills are even curable. they may be intrinsic to the 'in-band problem' of a terminal talker.
1550813;1475270468;mircea_popescu;i actually use it a lot.
1550814;1475270472;asciilifeform;i use it daily
1550815;1475270475;asciilifeform;for decade now.
1550816;1475270487;mircea_popescu;can be killed via kill for the pid. or otherwise, reattach and close.
1550817;1475270491;asciilifeform;but most folks i've met use it specifically to hang on to sessions
1550818;1475270499;asciilifeform;but i DO NOT WANT to kill -9 it.
1550819;1475270508;mircea_popescu;so then reattach.
1550820;1475270524;*;adlai uses tmux
1550821;1475270525;asciilifeform;well no, because i have other proggies that need to monopolize THAT port.
1550822;1475270542;asciilifeform;when i'm not manually diddling it.
1550823;1475270570;asciilifeform;i use screen as a sort of 'kermit', rather than the typical use, a kind of souped-up 'nohup'.
1550824;1475270570;mircea_popescu;sounds like you really want to use tmux not screen
1550825;1475270591;asciilifeform;again no.
1550826;1475270602;adlai;what disqualifies tmux?
1550827;1475270612;asciilifeform;i want to 1) manually talk to a serial port for a short while 2) FULLY LET GO OF IT so various things can open() it.
1550828;1475270621;mircea_popescu;ah that doesn't exist.
1550829;1475270632;mircea_popescu;either you want to manually, hence screen ; or you do not, hence tmux.
1550830;1475270662;asciilifeform;aaaaand they both SHIT nonprintable rubbish down the line.
1550831;1475270667;asciilifeform;which needs to be a never.
1550832;1475270680;asciilifeform;shit strictly what gets pushed on motherfucking keyboard.
1550833;1475270691;mircea_popescu;kbd can and does push nonprintables.
1550834;1475270693;asciilifeform;why was this hard, i'd like to know.
1550835;1475270714;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: idk about yours, but mine shits exactly 2: linefeed and del.
1550836;1475270721;mircea_popescu;and ctrl-c
1550837;1475270729;mircea_popescu;and ^H
1550838;1475270733;mircea_popescu;and other things.
1550839;1475270752;asciilifeform;at any rate i'd like the option of losing'em
1550840;1475270758;asciilifeform;when talking to iron box.
1550841;1475270774;asciilifeform;but, interestingly, no such knob exists.
1550842;1475270775;asciilifeform;afaik.
1550843;1475270783;mircea_popescu;so you want a tmux that has all the ease of handling of screen / a screen that has all the scripting inclination of tmux + an ascii filter.
1550844;1475270802;mircea_popescu;i can totally see why this should exist.
1550845;1475270836;asciilifeform;mno, just proggy that puts bytes from stdio DOWN a serial line, and spits back what comes back, until SELECTABLE magical cyanide pill is given to it, at which point it lets THE FUCK GO of the tty.
1550846;1475270886;mircea_popescu;well so far this matches screen, you can ctrl-alt-k iirc to pill it.
1550847;1475270896;asciilifeform;nope
1550848;1475270900;asciilifeform;dun do nuffin on my box.
1550849;1475270905;asciilifeform;nor C-c C-/
1550850;1475270938;mircea_popescu;wtf was it
1550851;1475270947;asciilifeform;Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06
1550852;1475270959;asciilifeform;the only thing that works is detach-and-kill
1550853;1475270963;asciilifeform;which is retarded.
1550854;1475271000;mircea_popescu;screen -S id -X quit works.
1550855;1475271007;asciilifeform;do not want
1550856;1475271013;mircea_popescu;get id from screen -list
1550857;1475271013;asciilifeform;want FROM THE TERMINAL
1550858;1475271015;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1550859;1475271018;mircea_popescu;it is from the terminal.
1550860;1475271025;asciilifeform;the selfsame terminal!
1550861;1475271033;asciilifeform;fuck context-switching.
1550862;1475271037;mircea_popescu;ctrl-a k will kill from terminal.
1550863;1475271043;asciilifeform;it does not.
1550864;1475271055;mircea_popescu;i just did it lol.
1550865;1475271146;asciilifeform;i even know why it works for mircea_popescu
1550866;1475271152;mircea_popescu;why ?
1550867;1475271155;asciilifeform;it is because he probably has a vt100-like thing on the other end.
1550868;1475271158;asciilifeform;and i - never do.
1550869;1475271180;mircea_popescu;hm.
1550870;1475271193;asciilifeform;i have $iron-that-might-emit-literally-anything-in-response-to-literally-anything.
1550871;1475271208;mircea_popescu;well this is rapidly becoming a tall order.
1550872;1475271209;asciilifeform;and this appears to trigger weird behaviour in 'screen'.
1550873;1475271242;asciilifeform;mno. in no bible is it written that the escapes are allowed to stop working if the thing sees some octet it is allergic to in-band FROM OTHER SIDE.
1550874;1475271252;mircea_popescu;i dunno that the screen to insulate operator from "iron-that-might-emit-literally-anything-in-response-to-literally-anything" was ever baked. in nuclear physics or theoretical math.
1550875;1475271266;asciilifeform;they're motherfucking octets
1550876;1475271277;asciilifeform;eat it, shit it, verbatim, this is hard??
1550877;1475271293;mircea_popescu;i have nfi.
1550878;1475271798;mircea_popescu;and in other stale lulz, https://strongloop.com/strongblog/collaboration-not-derision-in-the-node-community/
1550879;1475271816;asciilifeform;lel folx pm'ing me re various proggies that do not solve the problem.
1550880;1475271855;mircea_popescu;do you know why ? because of the dumbass in the intro of that very link!
1550881;1475271857;mircea_popescu;to quote :
1550882;1475271873;mircea_popescu;"Here’s what I learned from my mentors: If someone makes a mistake, or does something you don’t think is right, you talk to them about it privately and give them the opportunity to correct it. This not only gets the mistake corrected, but it offers a learning moment to the person, increases their understanding, and keeps them “on board” with the overall project. As a leader you’re being empathetic to that person and
1550883;1475271873;mircea_popescu; offering them benefit of the doubt. Often they aren’t being malicious they just don’t understand why something should be done a certain way. Why not teach them? Put yourself in their shoes and ask, “What do I know that this person doesn’t know, which would cause me to act like them in this situation if I didn’t know it.” That’s the very definition of empathy. Public shaming elicits people’s fight/flight respo
1550884;1475271874;mircea_popescu;nse and it’s hard for them to learn in this state which is why a private consultation is more effective."
1550885;1475271890;mircea_popescu;this imbecility is widely accepted by now. however - there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRIVATE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY.
1550886;1475271925;*;asciilifeform kept waiting for some mention of gavin and only half a minute or so in finally realized that it is not about prb nodes
1550887;1475271926;mircea_popescu;it's a miserable anchor for identity, this "ways we do things" ; and for that matter the sort of brain that doesn't take well to public discussion of technology is fundamentally broken in ways that should be addressed long before any technological involvement.
1550888;1475271953;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not terribly far off. node.js is ~same crud by ~same people.
1550889;1475271964;asciilifeform;i still have roughly nfi what it was for.
1550890;1475272047;trinque;asciilifeform: "cu" on openbsd seems pretty minimalistic, dunno if it meets your requirements.
1550891;1475272051;trinque;has an escape to detach
1550892;1475272210;asciilifeform;trinque: almost what i want! thx
1550893;1475272226;asciilifeform;any idea how to make it quit immediately rather than stalling for an entire second ?
1550894;1475272254;asciilifeform;BUGS
1550895;1475272254;asciilifeform;       This program does not work very well.
1550896;1475272259;asciilifeform;^ from the man page on my box. gold.
1550897;1475272265;trinque;ahaha
1550898;1475272268;asciilifeform;^ at least honest !1111
1550899;1475272293;trinque;nah, I've only used it a few times fiddling with routers and things.
1550900;1475272303;trinque;but the sauce looks like a quick read.
1550901;1475272363;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015#issuecomment-29538615 << hah! someone using a 'zedshaw' handle chimes in, even.
1550902;1475272413;trinque;oh christ, alex gaynor is a django "dev"
1550903;1475272438;ben_vulpes;working /for/ the usg.
1550904;1475272477;shinohai;V even solves the problem of gendered pronouns in software development. Is there anything it can't do?
1550905;1475272488;ben_vulpes;come on brosephim. you're 'working' on node.js, the very government shows up to regender your codebase and you decide to get uppity?
1550906;1475272493;ben_vulpes;get real, you lost a decade ago.
1550907;1475272518;mircea_popescu;shinohai note that the whole "talk privately" bullshit is VERY much how usgtardism spread. they know that openly pushing the koolaid will get them excruciated. but apparently esltards are VERY vulnerable to 1 on 1.
1550908;1475272663;asciilifeform;trinque: 'cu' is a mega-win compared to what i had prior. ty.
1550909;1475272666;mircea_popescu;anyway ; back in 2013, pre-republic, when idiots with their hissy fits actually got people "teaching moments" ; compare and contrast with 2016, post republic, where francis rowe is about on par with roadkill for reputation.
1550910;1475272671;trinque;asciilifeform: cheers
1550911;1475272698;asciilifeform;!!rated trinque
1550912;1475272698;deedbot;asciilifeform rated trinque 1 at 2015/08/01 16:36:05 << therealbitcoin testing
1550913;1475272734;asciilifeform;!!rate trinque 2 magnificent master of modems
1550914;1475272736;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/bm5av/?raw=true
1550915;1475272745;ben_vulpes;in other fiat lolz: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-goldman-sachs-libya/
1550916;1475272746;mircea_popescu;now that's a cool title.
1550917;1475272787;asciilifeform;!!v A1B5C29E5B4DAEF86C437AC3043C86B7268F620F161CFC7E82CD6AFB4A30BDE5
1550918;1475272787;deedbot;asciilifeform updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << magnificent master of modems
1550919;1475272788;mircea_popescu;lmao. i'm sure they "lost" it.
1550920;1475272827;ben_vulpes;title is entirely misleading.
1550921;1475272847;ben_vulpes;piece is about 1.2 bn of options lia "didn't understand"
1550922;1475272882;mircea_popescu;so how is it misleading ? usg stole some money from lybia post invasion.
1550923;1475272903;ben_vulpes;stole, lost...
1550924;1475272918;asciilifeform;wai wat, why ELSE invade ?!
1550925;1475272940;asciilifeform;granted, sometimes idiots forget to 'first you pillage, THEN you burn'
1550926;1475272951;ben_vulpes;i see "lost", think "what, lost account number?", i see "stole" think "ahaha, what hilarious paper did gs swindle the goatfuckers into buying this time?"
1550927;1475272959;mircea_popescu;gaddafi's own jacques de molay moment.
1550928;1475273087;asciilifeform;'In June 2011, Pope Benedict XVI apologized for the killing of De Molay and acknowledged that he was a victim of false accusations. ' << mega-lel.
1550929;1475273164;mircea_popescu;did he return the dough also ?
1550930;1475273194;asciilifeform;what do you think, lol.
1550931;1475273269;mircea_popescu;i'm going to have to go with door number no.
1550932;1475273289;asciilifeform;(return... to whom?? to NthRepublic ?)
1550933;1475273329;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2016/the-nice-guys/ << Trilema - The Nice Guys
1550934;1475273419;mircea_popescu;in other news who the fuck is "alex gaynor"
1550935;1475273487;mircea_popescu;"I work for the United States Digital Service." oh ok.
1550936;1475273512;ben_vulpes;'tis in the log
1550937;1475273531;mircea_popescu;aha.
1550938;1475273544;asciilifeform;'The United States Digital Service is a startup at the White House that pairs the country’s top technology talent with the best public servants, to improve the usefulness and reliability of the country’s most important digital services.' << l0l!!
1550939;1475273558;asciilifeform;'…what we realized was that we could potentially build a SWAT team, a world-class technology office inside of the government that was helping agencies. We’ve dubbed that the U.S. Digital Service…they are making an enormous difference… President Barack Obama, March 2016'
1550940;1475273560;ben_vulpes;oh this is news around here?!
1550941;1475273583;mircea_popescu;yes. we don't really give so much of a shit about inept usg wanna-bes.
1550942;1475273584;asciilifeform;when did 'swat team' stop referring to troop of gestapo breaking, entering, raping
1550943;1475273587;ben_vulpes;thing came out of the "marketplace" shitshow.
1550944;1475273596;ben_vulpes;"healthcare marketplace"
1550945;1475273600;asciilifeform;'startup at the whitehouse' ??
1550946;1475273601;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes actually thing came out of chicago.
1550947;1475273622;mircea_popescu;it is traditional in eastern tyrannies for whatever ethnic group of the new sultan to drag in a whole clan from the provinces.
1550948;1475273660;mircea_popescu;hence this fuck, that chowdry fuckface etc.
1550949;1475273667;mircea_popescu;chowdhry*
1550950;1475273720;asciilifeform;lulzily enough, there was a 1950s version of this, still mega-budgeted, 'white house communications agency'
1550951;1475273737;asciilifeform;(iirc it was under nsa jurisdiction at one time)
1550952;1475273798;mircea_popescu;gotta make a new one for each new generation of fucks, because well, as seen recently they have all the social skills of a mollusc and so can't work with anyone else but "their friends"
1550953;1475273808;asciilifeform;well yeah, they never get garbagecollected
1550954;1475273812;asciilifeform;only layered.
1550955;1475273909;ben_vulpes;hmfic also wants to install 'their friends' at managerial payrolls. wouldn't do at all to bring them in as toilet scrubbers in the 'white house communications agency'. 'but but i'm more important to just be a cog in an existing organization -- we need our own new best shiniest!'
1550956;1475273928;mircea_popescu;"a country which entirely consists of managers"
1550957;1475273936;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the strange thing is that nothing, theoretically, stops obamitler from installing them as top brass
1550958;1475273946;mircea_popescu;gotta have progress.
1550959;1475273964;asciilifeform;but the interesting thing is that, per tradition, u.s. civil service brass is powerless to remove middle managers
1550960;1475273977;asciilifeform;so new bureaus are created after every election cycle.
1550961;1475273980;mircea_popescu;to install them as top brass in existing offices would a) mean that women are disgusting cocksuckers ; b) mean that niggers don't have the right to vote and c) prevent any maintenance work from ever happening in all of wash dc.
1550962;1475273989;mircea_popescu;how do you think the places are ever fumigated, painted, etc ?
1550963;1475274002;mircea_popescu;~only by creating a new "department of office of authority of czar for things and matters"
1550964;1475274054;mircea_popescu;anyway, epic blogpost, that.
1550965;1475274056;mircea_popescu;"This isn't merely a legalistic concern (though that too, certainly), but also a technical one: we believe that empathy is a core engineering value—and that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well."
1550966;1475274063;asciilifeform;the bush-II folk had brilliant 'solution', they created 'dhs', a uniquely braindamaged conglomerate bureau which subsumed half a dozen old ones, and is so peculiarly 'dilbertian hell' that the employee turnover there is now ~6 mo.
1550967;1475274092;mircea_popescu;soon it'll be entirely run on interns. you know, like ibm./
1550968;1475274135;ben_vulpes;> almost certainly
1550969;1475274135;asciilifeform;ibm... is ~run~?!
1550970;1475274141;asciilifeform;i thought it were just this tomb.
1550971;1475274169;ben_vulpes;> we believe
1550972;1475274179;trinque;can't argue with that.
1550973;1475274222;ben_vulpes;i believe that node.js and the white house are undifferentiable flaming piles of shit.
1550974;1475274226;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he's guilty of could have been guilty almost certainly.
1550975;1475274231;mircea_popescu;epistola erubiscet.
1550976;1475274351;ben_vulpes;thoughtcrime.
1550977;1475274440;ben_vulpes;"your gender equality mission is a cultural hegemony attack on the embattled nerd culture, and triggers all sorts of auto immune responses costing joyent and co millions in nerd productivity by inducing them to rage fruitlessly at their keyboards"
1550978;1475274652;mircea_popescu;not even a bad statement.
1550979;1475274706;mircea_popescu;"While we would fire Ben over this, node.js is an open source project and one doesn't necessarily have the same levers." aka "we've not yet managed to steal ben's work, but will posture as if anyway!!1"
1550980;1475274710;mircea_popescu;fucking retards.
1550981;1475274734;mircea_popescu;if anyone ever hires bryan cantrill i wish to see how will they face me.
1550982;1475274791;mircea_popescu;!!up fromloper
1550983;1475274791;deedbot;fromloper voiced for 30 minutes.
1550984;1475274875;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762&cpage=1#comment-17927 << for the record peterl is right. wtf is this "update genesis" bs ?
1550985;1475275545;mircea_popescu;and in other hoarding news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/37bf4b58a447c9b3ae42882d92b84427/tumblr_ndd6cznHtK1rl9p9mo1_500.gif
1550986;1475277500;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same thing as was with the version-string regrind.
1550987;1475277533;asciilifeform;it is 100% pointless to distribute a single-author proggy as 'and here is the broken ver, and here is when i fixed it, get these 100 patches'
1550988;1475277557;asciilifeform;it made marginally more sense re the trb patch, but even there mircea_popescu insisted on the regrind.
1550989;1475277614;asciilifeform;last i saw, mircea_popescu doesn't host versions of his articles with old typos still in'em, anywhere
1550990;1475277654;asciilifeform;and, incidentally, recall that we reground the trb genesis once.
1550991;1475277658;asciilifeform;(when removing the timestamps)
1550992;1475279820;mircea_popescu;i suppose. not like the machine cares you know, it'll just collect the patches.
1550993;1475279900;asciilifeform;aha
1550994;1475279911;asciilifeform;who wants the old crud - is welcome to his copy of it.
1550995;1475279928;asciilifeform;it will stop being 'longest chain' soon enough.