1490190;1466863297;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well yeah, but i thought he had his ~own~ eth
1490191;1466863317;mircea_popescu;heh.
1490192;1466863387;thestringpuller;don't we need to pay for nice things?
1490193;1466863390;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160624/05351534808/judge-says-fbi-can-hack-computers-without-warrant-because-computer-users-get-hacked-all-time.shtml
1490194;1466863392;thestringpuller;monetize da logz
1490195;1466863399;mircea_popescu;ahahahahaha
1490196;1466863400;mircea_popescu;epic.
1490197;1466863412;mircea_popescu;you hear that ? judge says, hacking usg computers fair game.
1490198;1466863453;asciilifeform;it was always fair game.
1490199;1466863526;mircea_popescu;lol fags in the us army ruining us army proved unfounded ?
1490200;1466863532;mircea_popescu;moar private manning, plox.
1490201;1466863584;mircea_popescu;anyway asciilifeform , the usg.desperation should be palpable, if they're scraping the barrel so close to the wood they've dredged up curtis yarvin, even.
1490202;1466863691;mircea_popescu;anyway, nice idiotarian piece, most premises are respectable, every single conclusion is tendentiously false.
1490203;1466863706;mircea_popescu;i suppose in some circles this sort of thing is an achievement.
1490204;1466863834;phf;so i still have time to fix bot before asciilifeform releases own in six months to a year, right?
1490205;1466863844;mircea_popescu;hopefully :D
1490206;1466863850;mircea_popescu;what happened anyway ?
1490207;1466863939;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490109 << i'd almost consider moving to an independent texas.
1490208;1466863939;a111;Logged on 2016-06-25 03:18 trinque: http://www.inquisitr.com/3241149/texit-texas-nationalist-movement-calls-for-secession-from-united-states-following-historic-brexit-vote/
1490209;1466863947;mircea_popescu;was ~the only part of the us that didn't stink of ustardism.
1490210;1466865881;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/ << check out the update, btw.
1490211;1466865896;mircea_popescu;most of them got shut down within 16 hours or somesuch.
1490212;1466865922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah saw
1490213;1466865927;asciilifeform;and srsly?
1490214;1466865951;asciilifeform;then again sp4mz0rz treat ips like toilet paper
1490215;1466865962;asciilifeform;nothing is ever really killed..
1490216;1466865986;mircea_popescu;what can i tell yea.
1490217;1466866002;mircea_popescu;i suspect most of this was voluntary, actually. it's good business for them to avoid anything with claws.
1490218;1466866008;mircea_popescu;i expect trilema is on a blacklist now.
1490219;1466866018;asciilifeform;likely.
1490220;1466866026;mircea_popescu;which, honestly, is EXACTLY how things should fucking work.
1490221;1466866063;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely nothing wrong with "police brutality", just as long as the brutalized are the losers. rape is actually right and proper, just as long as the only rape victims are poor women and their children, whatever sex or age. etcetera.
1490222;1466866084;mircea_popescu;no human claws, no human rights.
1490223;1466866135;asciilifeform;sanitation is still a thing.
1490224;1466866152;mircea_popescu;need i link to the spanish discussion ?
1490225;1466866161;mircea_popescu;sanitation is not for everyone.
1490226;1466866179;asciilifeform;i was just about to.
1490227;1466866206;asciilifeform;and the reason the good count de alba y yeltes was a nut, is that it dun work this way.
1490228;1466866224;asciilifeform;without sewer, kings die as well as slaves.
1490229;1466866254;asciilifeform;some things don't compartmentalize.
1490230;1466866255;mircea_popescu;the reason the good count failed (which has little to do with his being a nut) is that briefly, economic conditions dictated to pretend the worms are "all people". that brief bubble burst, meanwhile.
1490231;1466866277;mircea_popescu;history is back on its sanity track, rather than the exceptional "tail end of industrialism before robotics" moment.
1490232;1466866287;asciilifeform;sanitation dun scale down to 'boutique economy'.
1490233;1466866297;mircea_popescu;what do you mean ?
1490234;1466866335;asciilifeform;well, say mircea_popescu's castle has sanitary fixtures, but surrounding plebeville doesn't.
1490235;1466866340;mircea_popescu;ok.
1490236;1466866354;asciilifeform;he goes out to collect fucktoys, catches his death.
1490237;1466866354;mircea_popescu;(which is exactly how things are right now)
1490238;1466866359;mircea_popescu;catches nothing.
1490239;1466866368;mircea_popescu;i collected more fucktoys than you collected post parcels, here i am.
1490240;1466866389;asciilifeform;because this isn't what we have now.
1490241;1466866405;mircea_popescu;no, because the magical moment of "tail end of industrialism before robotics" are gone.
1490242;1466866412;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i'm surprised you haven't been to a burn-like festival.
1490243;1466866413;asciilifeform;he lives in a 20th c. - style town. with sewer.
1490244;1466866430;mircea_popescu;THEN it was a certain way. but then and then only, at no point prior and - if trhere's any mercy in the heavens - at no point ulterior.
1490245;1466866439;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform first off, favelas don't have sewage
1490246;1466866452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu hangs out in favelas?!
1490247;1466866455;mircea_popescu;i was too preoccupied otherwise to take pictures of street - with channel down middle, like 1600 spain!
1490248;1466866458;mircea_popescu;do you want to see it ?
1490249;1466866469;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform of course i do! what, where the fuck do you pick up fucktoys, huh ?
1490250;1466866470;asciilifeform;yes!
1490251;1466866478;asciilifeform;it sounds fascinating
1490252;1466866481;mircea_popescu;aite next i go ima try an' keep my mind on the road.
1490253;1466866486;asciilifeform;neato.
1490254;1466866493;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller why ?
1490255;1466866552;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what do i catch ? syphilis ? not that i ever did, but it's a quintuple shot of biseptol. tuberculosis ? lmao. you can't even catch tuberculosis, there's a "must be this poor to ride" that train. what, exactly ? lice is directly visible.
1490256;1466866585;mircea_popescu;other than pancreatic cancer, that one scythed lady which cost us both jobs and mcculler, there's ~nothing. and you don't catch that.
1490257;1466866607;asciilifeform;not established to my satisfaction.
1490258;1466866622;*;asciilifeform suspects that most cancers are viral 
1490259;1466866630;mircea_popescu;eh.
1490260;1466866655;mircea_popescu;even if they were, it'd be more the fault of your mom not coming from a sufficiently slutty line of whores, to give you good immunity matrix,
1490261;1466866658;mircea_popescu;than anything else.
1490262;1466866663;asciilifeform;also resistant tb is a thing.
1490263;1466866674;mircea_popescu;you, personally, today, couldn't catch tb if you tried.
1490264;1466866688;asciilifeform;i fully expect to die of it in american jail.
1490265;1466866699;mircea_popescu;it is a disease of the dungeon dweller.
1490266;1466866702;mircea_popescu;aha
1490267;1466866776;mircea_popescu;anyway, the point here is : that for as long as "upper body strength" was the bottleneck limiting human civilisation, you had male citizenship. had females been advantaged by nature there, you'd have had female citizenship. they aren't, it's a cruel joke, watch slavegirls trying to build up muscle and weep sometime.
1490268;1466866819;mircea_popescu;THEN steam power rendered actual muscle irrelevant, but control wasn't good enough to supplant people. and so there was a brief period, almost a century in length, during which "humanity" ie, the ability to finely control complex mechanisms, was the basis of humanity.
1490269;1466866839;mircea_popescu;and so all the nonsense from the various exalted diet technichians, engels and carnegey and whatnot.
1490270;1466866856;mircea_popescu;but that period ended. and with it - all the momentary crap deluding itself with permanence.
1490271;1466866880;asciilifeform;ended srsly? where is the robot that picks tomato ?
1490272;1466866882;mircea_popescu;today control is even cheaper than power. and the basis for humanity is vested in a % of a %, rather than "men" or "everyone patient enough"
1490273;1466866890;mircea_popescu;you should visit farms sometime.
1490274;1466866894;asciilifeform;i did
1490275;1466866897;asciilifeform;no robot.
1490276;1466866915;mircea_popescu;apple orchards now are constructed for robot. ie, tree isn't even recognizable tree anymore, but this lengthy thread on a stick.
1490277;1466866938;mircea_popescu;best example though : cereal crops. are you aware it is today more productive to build them in the pillar system than in the traditional plowing system ?
1490278;1466866948;asciilifeform;we dun even ~have~ computer, really. any more than newcomen had engine.
1490279;1466866956;asciilifeform;we have cheap simulacra.
1490280;1466866977;mircea_popescu;EVEN IF you lose the difference between pi r^2 and 4r^2
1490281;1466866991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is besides the point. i did not say "computer". i said control.
1490282;1466867001;asciilifeform;we dun have it.
1490283;1466867015;mircea_popescu;it is cheaper for you to install a camera and "image recognition" than to hire a guard ; and the results ARE BETTER.
1490284;1466867024;asciilifeform;but i would like to see the pillar thing.
1490285;1466867028;mircea_popescu;even as they don't work. but guard doesn't work even worse.
1490286;1466867032;mircea_popescu;which is the story of lee sedol.
1490287;1466867036;mircea_popescu;yes, the computer doesn't work.
1490288;1466867039;mircea_popescu;neither does the korean.
1490289;1466867054;asciilifeform;i still think the story of lee sedol is a story of match fraud.
1490290;1466867062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100%
1490291;1466867081;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cheating is not forbidden.
1490292;1466867112;asciilifeform;this type of cheat is as old as the game. but it used to come with beheading when caught.
1490293;1466867124;mircea_popescu;and if you can't be caught, it's not a cheat.
1490294;1466867138;mircea_popescu;which is the problem here - not that they cheated or not. that they can't be caught. which they can't. end of story.
1490295;1466867139;asciilifeform;this might be where we disagree.
1490296;1466867152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe we disagree on terminology.
1490297;1466867172;asciilifeform;there 'is no proof, no witnesses' until one day there are.
1490298;1466867177;mircea_popescu;bluffing - is "cheating", to the noob. however, bluffing when the opponent can't afford to call, ie, doesn't have the resources to take advantage, is simply history.
1490299;1466867184;mircea_popescu;this is how hitler ended up "the bad".
1490300;1466867189;mircea_popescu;hey, who's gonna call the bluff ?
1490301;1466867234;mircea_popescu;and so that's the point there, not whether google did or did not create the item in question. but whether robotized control of little black discs is good enough to push out the human. that - they showed to be.
1490302;1466867266;asciilifeform;and by same token lysenko 'showed' the bourgeois weissmanists-morganists..
1490303;1466867278;asciilifeform;fuck that.
1490304;1466867282;asciilifeform;truth is a rhing
1490305;1466867288;asciilifeform;thing.
1490306;1466867301;mircea_popescu;truth is a thing in engineering. it has ~no bearing on the affairs of mankind. do you know why ?
1490307;1466867307;asciilifeform;even if idiot thinks he killed ALL the witnesses.
1490308;1466867385;mircea_popescu;well, do you ?
1490309;1466867409;asciilifeform;i don't accept the premise.
1490310;1466867414;asciilifeform;so cannot answer.
1490311;1466867424;mircea_popescu;you can't accept the premise as a theoretical construct to examine ?
1490312;1466867451;asciilifeform;it dun fit in my gullet. 'sky is made of cheese'
1490313;1466867468;mircea_popescu;how's this different from "i don't accept the premise earth is not at center of world" ?
1490314;1466867473;mircea_popescu;religious thinking wtf.
1490315;1466867543;mircea_popescu;anyway, since we got the logs back, here's why : truth is but one.
1490316;1466867555;asciilifeform;hm?
1490317;1466867620;mircea_popescu;this is strategically disastrous for any living thing. imagine, cod taking "the correct route". this means -> scania. ouch. imagine person making rsa key, taking the "correct" key. ie what, everyone takes the same primes, because they're the largest primes that fit in the notation and so "best" and so "rational choice". it's exactly a matter of the "inverse of safety from numbers" thing we discussed recently.
1490318;1466867634;mircea_popescu;in negotiation, in any human endeavour, "rational" is predictable and predictable is death.
1490319;1466867680;*;asciilifeform is aware of kindergarten game theory and is not astonished 
1490320;1466867681;mircea_popescu;hence stuff like specificity of diddling. hence all sorts of things.
1490321;1466867697;mircea_popescu;well, not astonished, but what's your model for it ?
1490322;1466867701;asciilifeform;meta-rational strategy is a thing
1490323;1466867706;asciilifeform;and can call rng.
1490324;1466867717;mircea_popescu;meta-rational is no more rational than complex numbers are.
1490325;1466867753;asciilifeform;but it is pointedly not same thing as organic monkey irrational.
1490326;1466867758;mircea_popescu;of course meta-rational is a thing. but sovereign reason is a very different thing from mere "reason" as peddled by the feminine usg & friends.
1490327;1466867770;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody was talking about that.
1490328;1466867785;mircea_popescu;irrational has plenty of space in it for many different things.
1490329;1466867818;asciilifeform;my concept of 'truth' includes ALL of modern game theory, just as it includes arithmetic .
1490330;1466867833;mircea_popescu;dues not. godel.
1490331;1466867857;asciilifeform;godel is irrelevant to anything that ever actually happens.
1490332;1466867867;asciilifeform;sadly, unprovably so.
1490333;1466867882;mircea_popescu;ha. your notion of truth is either not complete, or not formulable. you seem to favour the later, which is why you keep ending in trouble in discussions here.
1490334;1466867908;asciilifeform;(just like cantor incidentally, is irrelevant to any arithmetic calculation re physical world)
1490335;1466867912;mircea_popescu;but hark that once your notion of truth is unformulable you lost what tu quoque claimed is the basis for science, id est, reproducibility.
1490336;1466867967;*;asciilifeform straps on heavy gas mask 
1490337;1466868036;asciilifeform;srsly, the 'winner decides history' is rank nonsense, it is quite difficult to eliminate all evidence.
1490338;1466868047;mircea_popescu;a pile of evidence doth not a history make.
1490339;1466868070;mircea_popescu;link this to schwarz's evidence. what history ?
1490340;1466868105;mircea_popescu;paradigm secretion is an act of the endocrine gland that is called "brain". and it works in science, with the eternal and irrepudiable evidence of nature right in front of eyes.
1490341;1466868114;asciilifeform;dun matter for how long lysenkoists rule. they're still full of shit.
1490342;1466868127;mircea_popescu;live things are full of shit. this is what the terms mean.
1490343;1466868141;mircea_popescu;when he's dead, he'll destraighten or how that went.
1490344;1466868200;asciilifeform;interestingly, dead folk are just as dangerous to lysenkoist 'science' as live ones - where is majorana's field theory ?
1490345;1466868211;asciilifeform;buried in cement
1490346;1466868234;mircea_popescu;well, you switched terms. the living are fulla shit.
1490347;1466868244;asciilifeform;elaborate?
1490348;1466868313;mircea_popescu;we were discussing how "X is full of shit", but that X took values from a field of AGENTS, which is to say the people to whom history has meaning. and it was observed that the grave is the only cure for their shit contents. then you moved to talking about Y, but Y are no longer X, instead they are taken from a field of non-agents, historical memories.
1490349;1466868320;mircea_popescu;X and Y can't be interchanged freely.
1490350;1466868358;asciilifeform;justify the cut made where it was ?
1490351;1466868389;mircea_popescu;because the shit contents is due, as we discussed, to the imperatives of the flesh. if you're an agent and you wanna survive which means you wanna survive and are an agent, you're stuck with the shit.
1490352;1466868410;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, what majorana or minorana said or didn't say, inasmuch as it's true, has little to do with anything but that - its truth.
1490353;1466868417;asciilifeform;ah as in mr mold etc
1490354;1466868448;mircea_popescu;i guess so. plenty of "lysenkoist" dudes were as convinced of the entire shitstack as yarvin is convinced the usg will survive.
1490355;1466868459;mircea_popescu;nevertheless... gotta placate the cunt he's chained to.
1490356;1466868489;asciilifeform;having read nearly whole corpus of the works, i am not wholly convinced that any sizable number did.
1490357;1466868497;mircea_popescu;(and i don't specifically mean his wife, here. i mean everything, the demands "not getting facebook account banned" or w/e, and paying taxes, and not running red lights or pissing on cop's shoes etc. the divine cunt.)
1490358;1466868516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform indeed. quite possibly lysenko himself made it up as he went, like trad. curt buffoon.
1490359;1466868535;mircea_popescu;ie, put on the spot, got in "the zone", sprouted some thing, audience clapped, the end.
1490360;1466868541;asciilifeform;this is imho quite likely
1490361;1466868646;asciilifeform;but yeah i see where mircea_popescu is going
1490362;1466868681;*;mircea_popescu declines any credit or responsibility for the matter. for one thing, ancient observations, for the other, not my fault they hold.
1490363;1466869456;mircea_popescu;(amusingly enough, the best source re that "ancient observations" is probably ~= patristics. the substance of the eternal soul, the nature of sin, all that good stuff. for all its trite-ification in the hands of the same sort of people that also created family-friendly shakespeare, it is a very powerful philosophical item. fact remains agency is an imposition upon the gnosis, which is why intelligent people dun wanna be polit
1490364;1466869457;mircea_popescu;icians, and also why they created the jwz fantasy.)
1490365;1466869609;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: whatever happened to the hard fork proposal you made?
1490366;1466869618;thestringpuller;i read through the threads and discussion fizzled out
1490367;1466869654;thestringpuller;is the spirit of such a proposal still on the table even if the design isn't complete?
1490368;1466869756;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "happened".
1490369;1466869764;mircea_popescu;nothing happened, it's there.
1490370;1466869923;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 builds this week completed, 2x for each distro - still running another Arch one right now
1490371;1466869923;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1490372;1466869924;mircea_popescu;(by "it" above i mean "original sin")
1490373;1466872857;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: for my own purposes / as backup, wrote myself a real shitty and simplistic log viewer thingie just now: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/ - may be useful as backup etc.
1490374;1466872881;Framedragger;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today always points to today (UTC time)
1490375;1466872882;mircea_popescu;cool!
1490376;1466872892;mircea_popescu;always good to have things to build on just in case.
1490377;1466872939;Framedragger;i think connection to bouncer on that host (which is where the logs come from) is rather stable, so good for redundancy and whatnot
1490378;1466872947;Framedragger;*from bouncer
1490379;1466873014;asciilifeform;Framedragger: neato.
1490380;1466873114;mod6;shinohai: good work!
1490381;1466874447;deedbot;[Trilema] Brexit, Grexit, Departugal, Italeave, Czechout, Finish, Oustria, Latervia, Byegium... - http://trilema.com/2016/brexit-grexit-departugal-italeave-czechout-finish-oustria-latervia-byegium/
1490382;1466874803;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'the things you have to eat get scarier and scarier.' << scarcer ??
1490383;1466874835;asciilifeform;or hm
1490384;1466874894;mircea_popescu;no, scarier.
1490385;1466874906;asciilifeform;yeah i see now.
1490386;1466875414;mircea_popescu;and in other school bus news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f714f0906016efe084a3e67f1ce39657/tumblr_npdk74m0e01u5c65zo3_500.gif & http://66.media.tumblr.com/554c052f81e26ec7ce6ffff5d609577d/tumblr_npdk74m0e01u5c65zo4_500.gif
1490387;1466875513;mircea_popescu;oh, and to play a little "guess the argentine" : "To learn English you must begin by thrusting the jaw forward, almost clenching the teeth, and practically immbilizing the lips. In this way the English produce the series of unpleasant little mews of which their language consists."
1490388;1466878438;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “You’re dressed nice” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/25/youre-dressed-nice/
1490389;1466879776;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orlov.
1490390;1466879779;asciilifeform;he said ~same thing.
1490391;1466879797;mircea_popescu;heh. he copied ortega y gasset ?
1490392;1466879887;asciilifeform;apparently
1490393;1466879892;mircea_popescu;aww.
1490394;1466879900;asciilifeform;but i suspect that pretty much all orcs learning the language had same thought
1490395;1466879916;asciilifeform;'what do these poor folks have in their mouths, to make this sound'
1490396;1466879917;mircea_popescu;can't say it ever bothered me.
1490397;1466879938;mircea_popescu;as long as there's no clicking involved, i'm linguistislutty.
1490398;1466879940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu aint a proper orc
1490399;1466879949;mircea_popescu;how so ?!
1490400;1466879949;asciilifeform;he speaks roman
1490401;1466879956;mircea_popescu;hm
1490402;1466879966;asciilifeform;aha.
1490403;1466879976;asciilifeform;civvus romanus!111
1490404;1466879996;asciilifeform;even if the ducks did get loaded off the trucks (tm)
1490405;1466880017;mircea_popescu;heh. i also hear about five shades between each vowel to the desperation of native english speakers. "what do you mean you can distinguish between x and y!" "of course you can!" "say it" "x, y" "it's the same thing!"
1490406;1466880061;asciilifeform;ready for china then?
1490407;1466880068;mircea_popescu;meh.
1490408;1466880720;asciilifeform;in other oldz, https://www.lysator.liu.se/~nisse/misc/6502-mul.html
1490409;1466880845;mircea_popescu;$up Corsets
1490410;1466880845;deedbot;Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
1490411;1466880855;Corsets;Hello?
1490412;1466880862;mircea_popescu;hi there. what brings you here ?
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1490414;1466880870;mircea_popescu;o.O
1490415;1466880892;Corsets;I got a message offering compensation for a custom topless shot; I'm interested in the details
1490416;1466880916;mircea_popescu;oh you mean http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ?
1490417;1466880990;Corsets;That precisely
1490418;1466881013;mircea_popescu;cool. so post your bitcoin addy, go write ac38270d on your tits, take a pic and post it. you know, like all those other girls.
1490419;1466881076;Corsets;Two questions. 1- what's a bitcoin addy? I'm a noob, sorry. I'm assuming it's an account.
1490420;1466881084;mircea_popescu;well, you never heard of bitcoin ?
1490421;1466881109;Corsets;2- is it alright if I cover the top half of my face with something? I
1490422;1466881120;Corsets;I've heard of Bitcoin. I don't k ow much about it
1490423;1466881148;mircea_popescu;well ok, it's like this online currency that governments can't confiscate, unlike papyal. so everyone with half a brain uses it to pay for stuff.
1490424;1466881159;Corsets;Actually, pardon, I have a third question. What is this, exactly? I've never seen a webpage like this before.
1490425;1466881166;mircea_popescu;you mean what, my blog ?
1490426;1466881232;Corsets;Okay so I'd need to make some kind of bitcoins account then?        Yeah, I guess I meant your blog. more precisely, I haven't seen anyone make that kind of offer/request and then just post the pics on their blog
1490427;1466881244;Corsets;And tbh I don't understand the numbers.
1490428;1466881254;mircea_popescu;yeah well, i'm weird. anyway - yes, make yourself a bitcoin wallet.
1490429;1466881273;mircea_popescu;it's a good thing to have anyway, you never know when you need it.
1490430;1466881291;Corsets;alright.
1490431;1466881295;mircea_popescu;and which numbers don't you understand ?
1490432;1466881424;Corsets;The ones we write on our tits
1490433;1466881432;mircea_popescu;ah, it's just a sort of idstring.
1490434;1466881441;mircea_popescu;* Corsets (ac38270d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.56.) has joined #trilema
1490435;1466881567;Corsets;The wallet's downloading. I don't have a lot of space
1490436;1466881587;Corsets;May I ask why we're writing ID strings on our chests?
1490437;1466881589;mircea_popescu;o, if you're making a desktop one it'll take a while. chain's ~120 GB these days.
1490438;1466881595;mircea_popescu;possibly better for you to make a website one.
1490439;1466881626;mircea_popescu;Corsets well it's only once per person you know. otherwise i'd be bankrupt, billionaire or no billionaire.
1490440;1466881775;Corsets;It's on my phone as an app. I just used coinspace.
1490441;1466881797;Corsets;I had to delete another one; it's downloading now, albeit slowly.
1490442;1466881801;mircea_popescu;i dunno what it is, specifically, but an app prolly fits.
1490443;1466881813;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine anyone would actually try to fit the chain on anyone's phone.
1490444;1466881983;Corsets;I take it I should make a website one soon then
1490445;1466881996;mircea_popescu;nah, the app/website ones are the same thing.
1490446;1466882011;mircea_popescu;there's also a version you can run on your own desktop or server. pro version, as it were.
1490447;1466882020;mircea_popescu;basically ~= running your own bank
1490448;1466882068;mircea_popescu;Corsets what do you do for a living anyway ?
1490449;1466882301;Corsets;I am currently selling the odd adult video or photo set and applying for retail jobs
1490450;1466882315;Corsets;Might get a campus job when school starts again
1490451;1466882326;mircea_popescu;sounds like a student huh.
1490452;1466882339;mircea_popescu;alright, so what do you study ?
1490453;1466882393;Corsets;Psychology, linguistics, anthropology.
1490454;1466882400;mircea_popescu;ha! nice.
1490455;1466882433;mircea_popescu;not much money in it though, thinking about it.
1490456;1466882447;mircea_popescu;maybe with the government, i guess.
1490457;1466882500;Corsets;I'm less interested in the money and more interested in the work
1490458;1466882511;Corsets;I might come back for other stuff later, idk.
1490459;1466882525;mircea_popescu;aha. hey, my degree is also anthropology.
1490460;1466882534;mircea_popescu;there's worse fates.
1490461;1466882616;Corsets;True true
1490462;1466882652;Corsets;Okay so
1490463;1466882654;mircea_popescu;well, philosophy/anthropology technically, but anyway.
1490464;1466882656;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's pet to asciilifeform : 'he's treating gurlz as people, just like you, yer both fools'
1490465;1466882678;mircea_popescu;$up Corsets
1490466;1466882678;deedbot;Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
1490467;1466882698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform she's a little troll isn't she.
1490468;1466882711;Corsets;Do I need to show my face? Or can I cover my eyes with something?
1490469;1466882740;mircea_popescu;Corsets well yes you gotta show your face, so it can't be duped later see.
1490470;1466882785;Corsets;I'm a little worried about future employers finding my face and my boobs on a blog on the Internet
1490471;1466882785;mircea_popescu;what, they retaliate for toplessness where you live ?
1490472;1466882800;mircea_popescu;hm.
1490473;1466882803;Corsets;Kinda yeah
1490474;1466882816;Corsets;There's a pretty big stigma against sex work
1490475;1466882842;mircea_popescu;if this is sex work, it then follows matchsticks are meteors.
1490476;1466882882;Corsets;I'd agree. But my views are probably not my future employers' views
1490477;1466882921;mircea_popescu;there's always that possibility yeah.
1490478;1466882949;Corsets;Where would I need to upload? Just upload to a hosting site and send it?
1490479;1466882955;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1490480;1466883034;Corsets;Okay. If I need to show my face, let me put on some makeup.
1490481;1466883040;mircea_popescu;by all means.
1490482;1466883446;mircea_popescu;$up Corsets
1490483;1466883446;deedbot;Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
1490484;1466883455;Corsets;Sorry. Timed out I guess
1490485;1466883459;mircea_popescu;incidentally, do you have a pgp sig ? you can just register it here and self-voice
1490486;1466883493;Corsets;I don't even know what that is
1490487;1466883523;mircea_popescu;pretty good privacy, it's an asymmetric crypto scheme. allows you to keep secrets from, say, the nsa. and also to maintain a solid identity - unlike, say, usg identity papers.
1490488;1466883571;Corsets;That's certainly interesting. I don't know that I do anything illegal enough to hide from the NSA
1490489;1466883583;mircea_popescu;well, not yet at any rate.
1490490;1466883588;mircea_popescu;the definition's not exactly fixed.
1490491;1466883769;Corsets;You know, you could stretch this and say it's an art project
1490492;1466883779;mircea_popescu;but it IS an art project.
1490493;1466883799;Corsets;oh?
1490494;1466883809;Corsets;How so?
1490495;1466883816;mircea_popescu;how not ?
1490496;1466883829;Corsets;Good answer
1490497;1466883837;mircea_popescu;lol
1490498;1466883837;Corsets;Is lipstick okay? Or no lipstick
1490499;1466883847;mircea_popescu;hey, it's your hot body and you can do what you want
1490500;1466883854;mircea_popescu;skip school and kill people, whatever, it's cool...
1490501;1466884198;mircea_popescu;$up Corsets
1490502;1466884198;deedbot;Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
1490503;1466884200;Corsets;Nah, I do that on Tuesdays
1490504;1466884212;Corsets;Sorry. Guess that took longer than I thought
1490505;1466884212;mircea_popescu;what's your internet made out of, wet noodles ?
1490506;1466884227;Corsets;Oh man, that's an insult to wet noodles
1490507;1466884235;mircea_popescu;lol
1490508;1466884254;mircea_popescu;argentina-style noodles. worst thing ever.
1490509;1466884259;Corsets;Would you mind giving me the code again? Wet noodlenet erased it
1490510;1466884269;Corsets;Really? Well now I have to try them
1490511;1466884278;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490418
1490512;1466884278;a111;Logged on 2016-06-25 18:56 mircea_popescu: cool. so post your bitcoin addy, go write ac38270d on your tits, take a pic and post it. you know, like all those other girls.
1490513;1466884524;mircea_popescu;uh.
1490514;1466884536;shinohai;>.>
1490515;1466884695;Corsets;The girl who didn't show her face, did she still get paid?
1490516;1466884719;Corsets;Also, the writing isn't quite symmetrical. Is that okay?
1490517;1466884739;mircea_popescu;it's okay, and i dun recall, but the past is not dispositive. future girl that dun show isn't getting paid.
1490518;1466884753;Corsets;Hm. Okay
1490519;1466884757;Corsets;Photo shortly
1490520;1466884759;mircea_popescu;shinohai hey patrol an' make sure you up suspect sounding chicks like above, who knows
1490521;1466884763;mircea_popescu;redditcaust or something.
1490522;1466884975;Corsets;I am confused by that last bit
1490523;1466885000;shinohai;mircea_popescu: I can't up deedbot hates me :(
1490524;1466885013;shinohai;$up adlai
1490525;1466885013;deedbot;shinohai may not $up adlai
1490526;1466885030;Corsets;I have the photo
1490527;1466885078;Corsets;Do you want me to just drop it here?
1490528;1466885095;mircea_popescu;Corsets yes, along with your address.
1490529;1466885099;mircea_popescu;shinohai oh right damn
1490530;1466885114;mircea_popescu;Corsets last bit wasn't at you, it was at him.
1490531;1466885306;mircea_popescu;Corsets (bitcoin address i mean. 1blabla something a long string like that)
1490532;1466885322;shinohai;A lo mejor algun dia, Herr Popescu
1490533;1466885558;mircea_popescu;$up Noodlenet
1490534;1466885558;deedbot;Noodlenet voiced for 30 minutes.
1490535;1466885571;mircea_popescu;$up Corsets
1490536;1466885571;deedbot;Corsets voiced for 30 minutes.
1490537;1466885572;mircea_popescu;lmap
1490538;1466885595;Corsets;Noodles must be made out of potato flour
1490539;1466885600;Corsets;1LLp9xAVrmFDSesLoLANh8EBmhPaSSfyoM
1490540;1466885603;Corsets;Address
1490541;1466885622;Corsets;http://m.imgur.com/2CedO0y
1490542;1466885624;Corsets;Pic
1490543;1466885640;Corsets;Is this picture okay? I feel like I look kinda weird in it, but it was the best one I could get
1490544;1466885650;mircea_popescu;o hey check out the pretty blondy.
1490545;1466885667;mircea_popescu;Corsets yeah, get your dime in a minute.
1490546;1466885677;Corsets;Thanks
1490547;1466885733;mircea_popescu;an' seriously look into getting a pgp key an' join the crowd. lotta cool stuff going on here, most of which entirely unrelated to your chosen profession.
1490548;1466885781;asciilifeform;wats with the hand ?!
1490549;1466885786;Corsets;I'll look into it
1490550;1466885791;Corsets;Hand?
1490551;1466885795;mircea_popescu;learning cuneiform ?
1490552;1466885800;asciilifeform;knife fighter?
1490553;1466885806;mircea_popescu;o wait, is that cutting ?
1490554;1466885818;Corsets;Blood fetish ;)
1490555;1466885907;mircea_popescu;o wait, corsets, fetish, you're also into bdsm therefore...
1490556;1466885929;Corsets;I mean, bdsm doesn't always involve blades or blood
1490557;1466885934;Corsets;Just the fun kind lol
1490558;1466885935;mircea_popescu;of course not.
1490559;1466885950;mircea_popescu;well, so come over ba, i'll buy you some bad noodles.
1490560;1466885981;Corsets;I can probably get a pic with the scars out of shot if you'd prefer
1490561;1466885985;mircea_popescu;tx d4d88240d9720fca299235f0ad112eb6955edcd25c3c03172100b1107a63ea4a << there you go.
1490562;1466886042;Corsets;What's that?
1490563;1466886054;mircea_popescu;that's the transaction identifier. you should be 10 bitcents richer
1490564;1466886123;Corsets;Thanks~ pleasure doin' business
1490565;1466886133;mircea_popescu;enjoy!
1490566;1466886162;Framedragger;Corsets: nice! :)
1490567;1466886443;shinohai;And mircea_popescu adds another to teh collection.
1490568;1466886486;mircea_popescu;whoever dies with the most collections wins.
1490569;1466887169;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima go visit the favela sluts for no reason other than taking asciilifeform 's pictures, honest, i swear. ima bbl, coupla hours ; hold any online hos down and occupied till i return!
1490570;1466888077;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> o hey check out the pretty blondy. << yah cute
1490571;1466895982;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100% << It's an irrigation scheme. Around here where rain is still counted upon no circles
1490572;1466896006;mircea_popescu;it started as an irigation scheme.
1490573;1466896020;mircea_popescu;the dark secret is that investment in your part of the world is a no-no
1490574;1466896027;mircea_popescu;sort-of like kirgiztan in the su.
1490575;1466897673;deedbot;[Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
1490576;1466897715;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ annnnd BingoBoingo chgeck out the fupa jesus.
1490577;1466897734;BingoBoingo;Holy shit
1490578;1466897767;BingoBoingo;Anyways modern combine follows any path you plot into its gps. Once its set you just sit in chair, watch tv, and nap
1490579;1466898035;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490571 << i looked for anything at all re robo-orchard, found kuka-style rigged demo. it dun exist anywhere in practice, not in jp, nowhere.
1490580;1466898035;a111;Logged on 2016-06-25 23:06 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's basically this crane that spins. the corners aren't cultivated, but the crane tends to the crop 100% << It's an irrigation scheme. Around here where rain is still counted upon no circles
1490581;1466898092;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ye, google is ~useless ?
1490582;1466898163;asciilifeform;link plox ?
1490583;1466898168;mircea_popescu;to what ?
1490584;1466898181;asciilifeform;to some evidence that subj device exists.
1490585;1466898202;mircea_popescu;hm.
1490586;1466898205;asciilifeform;somebody makes, sells?
1490587;1466898237;mircea_popescu;which device specifically, the cereal round thing ?
1490588;1466898258;asciilifeform;i was asking after the apple harvester. but them also.
1490589;1466898299;mircea_popescu;it's this scheme to grow apple trees against a trellis
1490590;1466898303;mircea_popescu;it dun look like a tree at all.
1490591;1466898398;asciilifeform;i entirely believe that it is physically possible. but where is it done? and who sells the robot
1490592;1466898412;mircea_popescu;i'm not that up to speed ;/
1490593;1466898461;asciilifeform;if anybody else is able to turn up this ufo, plz link.
1490594;1466898488;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490575 << that '16th c spanish sewer' looks like storm ditch. we have them here.
1490595;1466898488;a111;Logged on 2016-06-25 23:34 deedbot: [Trilema] No Se Fia - http://trilema.com/2016/no-se-fia/
1490596;1466898516;asciilifeform;and the whole 'favela' looks nicer than most of baltimore.
1490597;1466898525;mircea_popescu;lol!
1490598;1466898532;mircea_popescu;the people are certainly very pleasant.
1490599;1466898618;mircea_popescu;$google rotary cultivation for cereal production
1490600;1466898619;deedbot;http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016719879390020P << Ploughing and rotary cultivation for cereal production in a long-term ... | https://extension.umaine.edu/publications/2207e/ << Bulletin #2207, Growing Organic Cereal Grains in New England ... | http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/016719879390021G << Ploughing and rotary cultivation for cereal production in a long-term ...
1490601;1466898649;mircea_popescu;"rotavator"
1490602;1466898669;mircea_popescu;mmm then again that may be the usual item hm
1490603;1466898738;asciilifeform;it is the usual item
1490604;1466898759;mircea_popescu;well, i'm not a buyer of farm implements and so i have no ready way to do this.
1490605;1466898770;mircea_popescu;i guess i'll just yield teh point, though...
1490606;1466898785;asciilifeform;if this ufo turns up, plz link.
1490607;1466898792;mircea_popescu;aite
1490608;1466898793;*;asciilifeform very interested.
1490609;1466898810;mircea_popescu;why, you planning a farm ?
1490610;1466898848;mircea_popescu;anyway, the idea is/was that rather than have tractor/combine drive to land etc, you just put pillar in middle, it does everything by spinning over the ground. you lose some land on the corners, but it's compensated by the massive savings on energy.
1490611;1466898932;asciilifeform;seems like gravity would work against you?
1490612;1466898946;asciilifeform;(what keeps pillar of soil intact?)
1490613;1466898948;mircea_popescu;nah, you still have a wheelish thing
1490614;1466898955;mircea_popescu;pillar of soil ?
1490615;1466898965;asciilifeform;what am i missing
1490616;1466898981;mircea_popescu;it's just normal land, you build the pilar on it, acts as a turning point for this long arm
1490617;1466899008;asciilifeform;like beckman's lab robot? but larger..?
1490618;1466899014;mircea_popescu;something like that yeah.
1490619;1466899026;mircea_popescu;and it can irrigate, treat (including at VERY narrow intervals, like hourly) etc.
1490620;1466899049;mircea_popescu;basically does all the work you normally have to drive a tractor for, which is what, a dozen passes a year.
1490621;1466899109;mircea_popescu;you're stuck paying 10x as much in capital goods, and end up saving 80% or so in energy costs. which in most stable farmland is a great deal.
1490622;1466899150;asciilifeform;iirc robo-tractors (self-driving) are already sop in usa
1490623;1466899164;mircea_popescu;yeah but they still have to drive THERE.
1490624;1466899171;asciilifeform;tru
1490625;1466899171;mircea_popescu;and tractors are shit for fuel economy
1490626;1466899189;asciilifeform;also tru
1490627;1466905145;Framedragger;does anyone know, is this the source of deedbot, or at least the origin? https://github.com/bitrecruiter/deedBot/blob/master/deedBot.php
1490628;1466905148;Framedragger;such php :p
1490629;1466905267;Framedragger;(hm, not the current deedbot at any rate)
1490630;1466905446;Framedragger;yuuup http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#815498 (bot source includes link to this)
1490631;1466905446;a111;Logged on 2014-08-30 01:52 mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/iuk6rard
1490632;1466905575;Framedragger;..well i wrote this turd http://log.mkj.lt/ in quick php too because fuck it (i'll find time to write http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481401 which for some reason i want to do)
1490633;1466905575;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 01:00 Framedragger should write some kind of simple thingie which takes (1) keyword and (2) timestamp pairs as intervals, and produces a kind of wiki page for all given keywords. (2) can be amended later as needed. so that there'd be a page for gossipd without much effort at all
1490634;1466905621;mod6;huh. i thought it was a lisp deal
1490635;1466905711;Framedragger;some other stuff is written in lisp afaiui. but maybe deedbot rewritten in lisp since then?
1490636;1466912438;mircea_popescu;$up Etherael
1490637;1466912438;deedbot;Etherael voiced for 30 minutes.
1490638;1466912459;mircea_popescu;Framedragger that's an earlier attempt at deedbot. it didn't take.
1490639;1466912489;mircea_popescu;did by a different set. search for hmmm,
1490640;1466912496;mircea_popescu;actually, search for deedbot, go way early.
1490641;1466912602;Etherael;Hello, thanks for voice, I read your blog after the ethereum debacle, found it interesting, thought I would come here and listen for some time.
1490642;1466912625;mircea_popescu;ah alrighty.
1490643;1466912636;mircea_popescu;consider registering with deedbot also.
1490644;1466912850;Etherael;Done, thanks.
1490645;1466913564;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: k, gotcha, thanks.
1490646;1466913641;mircea_popescu;$up dum
1490647;1466913641;deedbot;dum voiced for 30 minutes.
1490648;1466913643;mircea_popescu;$up Dumnezeu
1490649;1466913643;deedbot;Dumnezeu voiced for 30 minutes.
1490650;1466913703;Framedragger;also, did the "frontendy" part of irc log block highlights - e.g., "latest tits happening": http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160625/from:327/to:490#327 - i know this is obscure-ish and not important, but eh
1490651;1466913720;Dumnezeu;pace tie
1490652;1466913742;mircea_popescu;Framedragger o hey nice. archive.is style or homebrew ?
1490653;1466913751;mircea_popescu;who're you Dumnezeu ?
1490654;1466913774;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: homebrew :p
1490655;1466913788;Framedragger;what style is archive.is style?
1490656;1466913792;mircea_popescu;well let's test if this works better than that. asciilifeform you see it correctly ?
1490657;1466913814;mircea_popescu;Framedragger guy had this js that to me looked really good, but which apparently doesn't look consistent through browsers.
1490658;1466913822;Framedragger;look it's an afternoon php hack, no js on purpose tho
1490659;1466913823;mircea_popescu;(deployed on trilema atm, can read / chec kit)
1490660;1466913831;Framedragger;aha i see
1490661;1466913832;mircea_popescu;ah so i can't arbitrarily-select ?
1490662;1466913841;mircea_popescu;yeah ok, diff ting.
1490663;1466913849;Framedragger;ahh. well, you can, but by clicking multiple times
1490664;1466913851;mircea_popescu;you can just select a chunk of trilema it'll give you an url id
1490665;1466913865;Framedragger;ah. yeah i've seen that. dang, should have thought of that
1490666;1466913868;Framedragger;that's pretty leet
1490667;1466913882;mircea_popescu;it's leet yeah but not so easy to do well. because #browsers
1490668;1466913907;Framedragger;this thing - you can select a timestamp first time, it'll reload anchored and with from: set; then when you select another timestamp, it'll add to: to the url, resulting in a range with proper permalink'y url
1490669;1466913914;Framedragger;yeah..
1490670;1466913919;Dumnezeu; imparatul
1490671;1466913925;mircea_popescu;not a bad way to go about it where it works.
1490672;1466913994;mircea_popescu;"my thrift store lingerie budget". holy SHIT.
1490673;1466914002;Framedragger;(as in, if you start from http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today and click a couple of times you'll end up with a range. not too user-friendly, i totally forgot about a js'y no-reload option heh)
1490674;1466914674;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i sorta like the idea of avoiding js here if only because that way backend actually gets to know what is select, and can do things about it (including being able to assign a label to that block, to be stored elsewhere (later)); those '#' anchors are not sent to server. buut arbitrary realtime selection is pretty neat, i'll check it later..
1490675;1466914686;mircea_popescu;i like the idea of avoiding js also.
1490676;1466914688;Framedragger;what is selected*
1490677;1466914717;mircea_popescu;just, you have the advantage of implicit tokenization by line. text doesn't really have this.
1490678;1466914728;Framedragger;with irc logs it's easy as selection is rather 'discrete' (one line separate from another). in blog, it's a bunch of text, so more difficult
1490679;1466914731;mircea_popescu;though in honesty i suppose propper html should auto-tokenize by "sentence"
1490680;1466914738;mircea_popescu;except of course it is NOT actually semantic web.
1490681;1466914744;Framedragger;yeah.. :/
1490682;1466914745;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeh exactly.
1490683;1466914798;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea how the people who dreamed up the hypertext failed to realise the value and importance of referencing SPECIFIC PORTIONS specifically,
1490684;1466914801;mircea_popescu;but then again - here we are.
1490685;1466914894;mircea_popescu;i guess their teachers never went "i think therefore i am", but always quoted "meditationes de prima philosophia by that guy looking like a frog ; somewhere in there"
1490686;1466914957;mircea_popescu;"you mean in discours de la methode?" "no, and don't be vulgar."
1490687;1466915072;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: heh. yeah, fuck the web, truly.
1490688;1466915073;Framedragger;never read discourse on the method, does it take his circular "method" to the next level there? :p
1490689;1466915085;Framedragger;he does look like a frog tho
1490690;1466915101;mircea_popescu;nah, it's earlier.
1490691;1466915120;Framedragger;ah. actually i should know this; right.
1490692;1466918385;mod6;ugh
1490693;1466918484;mod6;%h
1490694;1466918485;tb0t;<%a|%add> <project> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
1490695;1466918555;mod6;sorry for the disruption. running fine, wanted to get the logging redirected as it should.
1490696;1466927081;*;mircea_popescu waves @tb0t
1490697;1466943962;Framedragger;@help
1490698;1466944029;Framedragger;(if there was to be one more bot around these parts, i assume having a prefix char for it be "@" would be fine - i think it should be fine.. this can be changed of course)
1490699;1466953426;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490656 << the ~log~  highlights always worked on my boxes, used no js
1490700;1466953426;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 04:03 mircea_popescu: well let's test if this works better than that. asciilifeform you see it correctly ?
1490701;1466953547;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490683 << ted nelson did !!
1490702;1466953547;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 04:19 mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how the people who dreamed up the hypertext failed to realise the value and importance of referencing SPECIFIC PORTIONS specifically,
1490703;1466953559;asciilifeform;$s transclusion
1490704;1466953559;a111;3 results for "transclusion", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=transclusion
1490705;1466953584;asciilifeform;it was the modern fucktards who shat on his original scheme.
1490706;1466953588;asciilifeform;html etc.
1490707;1466953941;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw/WPAmqkW8 (copy - http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b ) -- pretty lulzy, re cia mole in tor, supposedly confesses - possibly qntrable
1490708;1466953941;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1490709;1466954140;shinohai;https://www.rt.com/news/347693-russia-scientology-offices-raids/
1490710;1466954191;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-draper-wotnonperson-still-loves-theranos-picked-up-an-ether-habit/ << The cover for fuelling Buterin's waterfall
1490711;1466954298;deedbot;[Qntra] Tim Draper (WOT:nonperson) Still Loves Theranos, Picked Up An Ether Habit - http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-draper-wotnonperson-still-loves-theranos-picked-up-an-ether-habit/
1490712;1466954335;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lel
1490713;1466954349;BingoBoingo;"official cover"
1490714;1466954769;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b/?raw=true << moar readable form
1490715;1466954977;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i assume source is unknown? only asking cause i'm curious, having had some relation to tor
1490716;1466955004;asciilifeform;i have nfi re original src or authenticity.
1490717;1466955011;asciilifeform;as usual.
1490718;1466955018;Framedragger;kk.
1490719;1466955080;asciilifeform;it is plausible imho. the piece of shit thrashes, cries 'discrimination against veterans', spouts 'i was only following orders' rubbish, etc
1490720;1466955140;asciilifeform;prolly a controlled burn, 'see, we found our one fly, now we're clean!11111' etc
1490721;1466955167;Framedragger;nope
1490722;1466955173;Framedragger;but really fucking rofl @ the cia guy
1490723;1466955184;Framedragger;asciilifeform: you don't know those devs, so fuck off
1490724;1466955194;Framedragger;reallly interesting and lulzy nonetheless
1490725;1466955215;asciilifeform;waiwut
1490726;1466955226;Framedragger;"prolly a controlled burn"
1490727;1466955243;asciilifeform;Framedragger hasn't been reading logz has he.
1490728;1466955263;asciilifeform;tor is a usg operation.
1490729;1466955283;Framedragger;i have, and i've had back and forth with mp on his blog long ago, that conversation he likes to quote, but there is nothing material
1490730;1466955287;asciilifeform;anyone inside who doesn't know - is a useful idiot, my condolences.
1490731;1466955320;asciilifeform;the 'nothing material' is horseshit.
1490732;1466955327;Framedragger;if you mean that > 50% of funding comes from usg and that it was initially funded by navy research lab, yes
1490733;1466955345;asciilifeform;that all the folks who relied on tor are in american prisons now, is fucking evidence enough.
1490734;1466955345;Framedragger;if you mean that it's *likely* fucked, yes
1490735;1466955358;Framedragger;nigga please, that aint true at all
1490736;1466955363;asciilifeform;the charade is over.
1490737;1466955411;asciilifeform;we also know about the cmu operation.
1490738;1466955418;asciilifeform;you can't unhappen it.
1490739;1466955425;Framedragger;sure. look, i'm not saying that anyone of import should use tor
1490740;1466955443;Framedragger;original design explicitly excluded global passive adversaries anyway
1490741;1466955482;asciilifeform;'oh it was designed to fuck you, printed right on the box' ?
1490742;1466955484;asciilifeform;mno.
1490743;1466955508;asciilifeform;i am not an alzheimers patient and remember very well. all of it.
1490744;1466955518;Framedragger;but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.
1490745;1466955533;asciilifeform;agents xor useful idiots.
1490746;1466955541;Framedragger;sometimes, not all of the times
1490747;1466955542;asciilifeform;no others.
1490748;1466955609;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the only thing for useful idiots to do, to possibly reclaim some dignity, is to repent. publicly.
1490749;1466955633;asciilifeform;they - when tor fucked sr folks raw until their guts fell out - did no such thing.
1490750;1466955647;asciilifeform;which upgrades them to usg stoolies in my book.
1490751;1466955669;BingoBoingo;re: useful idiots, marjuana doesn't always do the paranoia thing. See: Amir Taki and other trusting fellows
1490752;1466955730;shinohai;22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised.   <<< lulz. When wasn't it?
1490753;1466955754;Framedragger;21:17 < helix> I think it was incredibly selfish of you to join tor knowing this would utterly fuck us PR-wise
1490754;1466955754;Framedragger;yeah no shit >.<
1490755;1466955825;Framedragger;asciilifeform: you do know that tor never promised absolute anonymity etc etc, and says you have to maintain good opsec, tor is not enough etc.
1490756;1466955846;asciilifeform;this is a dodge.
1490757;1466955880;asciilifeform;the folks who used ~any~ tor, with whatever other opsec, are now rotting in auschwitzes
1490758;1466955904;Framedragger;did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now.
1490759;1466955915;Framedragger;wut? snowden used tor
1490760;1466955944;Framedragger;what the fuck does that mean, even. plenty of journalists reporting on actual shit use tor all the time
1490761;1466955980;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you will convince no one here. And are destroying own credibility.
1490762;1466955981;Framedragger;inb4 mp's "those journos are unimportant niggers"
1490763;1466955988;asciilifeform;yes they are.
1490764;1466955997;Framedragger;i don't give a fuck about "own credibility", lol. i'm here because it's stimulating.
1490765;1466956024;Framedragger;see i have friends outside this irc, too
1490766;1466956029;Framedragger;tyvm
1490767;1466956039;*;Framedragger cools off and goes for coffee
1490768;1466956114;BingoBoingo;<Framedragger> wut? snowden used tor << Not as single thing and as soon as what he was doing became known his situation became precarious
1490769;1466956136;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490759   <<< also is in exile and US Prison awaits.
1490770;1466956136;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: wut? snowden used tor
1490771;1466956234;Framedragger;non sequitur as far as tor's use is concerned. he came out himself about him being the leaker. this breaks the anonymity.
1490772;1466956386;BingoBoingo;But problems started before coming out, or did you not see Citizen4 and pay attention to "has problems" timeline?
1490773;1466956422;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: in fairness, i'd have to recall, and you may have a point here - i am not sure.
1490774;1466956511;BingoBoingo;film requires careful reading and a bit of gas mask anytime the rat wizard Greenvald speaks
1490775;1466956661;BingoBoingo;In other news, from the department of just buy a fucking generator already: https://archive.is/uS5Gx "cordless table saw"
1490776;1466956907;shinohai;60V batteries lol
1490777;1466957568;Framedragger;>> Have you ever killed someone?
1490778;1466957569;Framedragger;> THat is an incredibly rude question to ask a vet
1490779;1466957669;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Seriously. It's jsut lots of 3.6 volt batteries
1490780;1466957826;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490698 << nah @ is no good because semantic. make it !~ an' from now on i think we'll be moving all bots to !X ie two character init sequence.
1490781;1466957827;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 12:27 Framedragger: (if there was to be one more bot around these parts, i assume having a prefix char for it be "@" would be fine - i think it should be fine.. this can be changed of course)
1490782;1466957831;mircea_popescu;space's getting crowded.
1490783;1466957895;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: k, gotcha
1490784;1466957896;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490701 << this is tru.
1490785;1466957896;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490683 << ted nelson did !!
1490786;1466958049;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490707 << ~the only value of that thing is to show fucking derps don't have a weblog. "and where's the kitchen table ?" "in our house we don't do kitchen tables." "so what do you do ?" "well if we're hungry there's that trough" "oic."
1490787;1466958049;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:12 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pastebin.com/raw/WPAmqkW8 (copy - http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/29c0d630-bdd5-4548-b4a8-82e99762f20b ) -- pretty lulzy, re cia mole in tor, supposedly confesses - possibly qntrable
1490788;1466958352;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/shhh/
1490789;1466958392;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1490790;1466958517;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490726 << they're tools, no question about it.
1490791;1466958517;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:33 Framedragger: "prolly a controlled burn"
1490792;1466958589;mircea_popescu;whether some are actually imbeciles and, kakobrekla-y, "really really believe" in their idiocy is not a point of interest. between the gestapo man who did it because sadist, and would have done it for free or even paid to have the job, and the gestapo man who did it for the money there's no difference on the gallows.
1490793;1466958643;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490732 << "mp saying so" is actually material. bs the derps in question publish hardly meets any conceivable definition of materiality that i can see.
1490794;1466958643;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:35 Framedragger: if you mean that > 50% of funding comes from usg and that it was initially funded by navy research lab, yes
1490795;1466958718;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490744 << it doesn't matter if the whore has accepted she's a whore in her "inner soul where she is writing her own story". she IS a whore. this is not in her hand, not anymore than she being "female" is in her hand. i decide this, not her, and she can't touch it if she stands on her head.
1490796;1466958718;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:38 Framedragger: but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.
1490797;1466958823;mircea_popescu;i understand there's this anglosaxon tradition of "pronouncing a man's name like he himself does" come out of the bizarre happenstance that all of england decided to drop historical pronounciation and follow the airs of random whore history has forgot to mention just about the time they realised it'd be a good idea to mark down how the language works.
1490798;1466958843;mircea_popescu;and obviously this has expanded cancerously and out of all proportion in the past coupla decades to "anything".
1490799;1466958873;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it's not a thing. she's not female because she says she's female, nor does she become male if she says she's male now, nor is her name jane because she calls herself jane.
1490800;1466959410;mircea_popescu;anywya. your definition of dumb is not useful, because being smart is no particular defense against being dumb. i can readily grant that they're smart, in the sense of trained monkey : give it a fiddle and watch in amazement. but without the fiddle it's just a monkey, and just like the horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, not a remarkable matematician - these friends of yours are particularly bright idiots, if
1490801;1466959411;mircea_popescu;you wish, but still idiots.
1490802;1466959452;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490748 << yeah, the churches are so full of repentant whores.
1490803;1466959452;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:40 asciilifeform: Framedragger: the only thing for useful idiots to do, to possibly reclaim some dignity, is to repent. publicly.
1490804;1466959462;mircea_popescu;the only strange thing is that they never seem to be 19, and almost always 39.
1490805;1466959515;mircea_popescu;kinda destroys the value proposition of the whole thing. im sure that just as soon as the delusion dries up, and their bubble finally gets punctured, be it because we finally smash the fed presses, or for any other reason, they'll find it within themselves that the need to eat exceeds the disinclination to not repent.
1490806;1466959519;mircea_popescu;hurr durr an' what's that do.
1490807;1466959582;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490752 << well, you have the advantage of reading trilema ; the rest of the world has the advantage of "community science" and "being skeptical". so to them, very much news.
1490808;1466959582;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:42 shinohai: 22:31 < ioerror> Tor is compromised.   <<< lulz. When wasn't it?
1490809;1466959646;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490758 << for one thing, i know for the fact he ran nodes (to find the holes your friends PUT IN). so no, and no, and really nao.
1490810;1466959646;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:45 Framedragger: did you ever run a god damn tor browser? you prolly didnt because usg. it has banners and warnings all over. what else can one do. they're transparent about the bugs (incl upstream firefox) etc. not saying that i'd use tor for important things now.
1490811;1466959680;mircea_popescu;and what they can do is build it correctly, rather than "build it brokenly and pretend it's correctly because that's what nsa needs of us"
1490812;1466959752;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490778 << lol. why, because the run from responsibility is so deep ?
1490813;1466959752;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 16:12 Framedragger: > THat is an incredibly rude question to ask a vet
1490814;1466959757;mircea_popescu;i've killed people. what now ?
1490815;1466959969;mircea_popescu;$up Dumnezeu
1490816;1466959970;deedbot;Dumnezeu voiced for 30 minutes.
1490817;1466960684;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
1490818;1466960690;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 454.923, vol: 6471.44620425 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 447.4162224, vol: 5157.02485 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 475.02, vol: 0.5 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 461.27003, vol: 59832.75340000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 425.115, vol: 12.63806581 | Volume-weighted last average: 459.689477982
1490819;1466960734;mircea_popescu;lol dude you and your obscure pula currencies.
1490820;1466960739;mircea_popescu;i was like wtf, really ?
1490821;1466960899;BingoBoingo;seriously
1490822;1466960929;BingoBoingo;But break up island can pretend currency too
1490823;1466960950;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1490824;1466960958;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4107.63, vol: 59466.69610000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4107.63
1490825;1466961234;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490812 << just fyi this was me quoting the cia dude, i was lol'ing that he literally said "THat is an incredibly rude question to ask a vet" - but yeh
1490826;1466961235;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 16:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490778 << lol. why, because the run from responsibility is so deep ?
1490827;1466961254;Framedragger;re. other stuff, i'm not exactly on the opposite side of the fence, i suppose, so eh!
1490828;1466961750;mircea_popescu;ikr, wtf, if you're not at peace with killing wtf are you doing playing soldier for
1490829;1466961755;mircea_popescu;not like there's a draft on
1490830;1466961766;mircea_popescu;"oh, i just wanted to [get college monyz]"
1490831;1466961772;mircea_popescu;schmucks.
1490832;1466961820;Framedragger;can't even be a proper soldier.
1490833;1466961887;mircea_popescu;it's what i see here. can't be a god damned waitress, gotta do waitressing "ironically" like she's seen in clerks, because otherwise WHAT COULD HAPPEN!
1490834;1466961905;mircea_popescu;can't be a soldier, can't be a father, can't be an anything for reals, just tryin' ta bla bla bla.
1490835;1466961909;mircea_popescu;a sickening display.
1490836;1466962116;mircea_popescu;in other non-news nobody cares about, awstats (apache log processing tool) now crashes silently on trilema. because, i am certain, derpage of the nature of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486235
1490837;1466962117;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 15:22 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz : wordpress interface dies if one tries to publish a 10mb text article with "unknown error". apparently this has never happened before.
1490838;1466962141;mircea_popescu;"we have all these plastic knives and cardboard shoes. don't walk in them. best civilisation."
1490839;1466962436;Framedragger;o, ahahahha.
1490840;1466962444;Framedragger;ridiculous :D
1490841;1466962708;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1490842;1466962710;gribble;Current Blocks: 418090 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 1237 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 18 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1490843;1466963952;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490809 << aha, it is in the logz
1490844;1466963952;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 16:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490758 << for one thing, i know for the fact he ran nodes (to find the holes your friends PUT IN). so no, and no, and really nao.
1490845;1466964044;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490811 << it is not clear that there is such a thing as 'correct tor' that is still recognizably similar (i.e. real-time)
1490846;1466964044;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 16:48 mircea_popescu: and what they can do is build it correctly, rather than "build it brokenly and pretend it's correctly because that's what nsa needs of us"
1490847;1466964078;asciilifeform;nor is the centralized 'directory' nonsense anything but pure usgtronics
1490848;1466964101;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's also not clear there's such a thing as "perpetuum mobile" that is still recognizable. this is no license to sell "state of the art perpetuum mobili"
1490849;1466964110;asciilifeform;aha
1490850;1466964126;asciilifeform;i was reacting to 'build it correctly'
1490851;1466964152;mircea_popescu;would you prefer "build correctly the it" ? which is how a sane language would say it, but english gotta homogenize everything.
1490852;1466964154;asciilifeform;you ~can~ build ~something else~ correctly.
1490853;1466964227;mircea_popescu;anyway, as to the punctual objection, yes very much directory should be dht.
1490854;1466964230;deedbot;[Qntra] IRS Scraps PIN System Amid Continued "Hacks" - http://qntra.net/2016/06/irs-scraps-pin-system-amid-continued-hacks/
1490855;1466964231;BingoBoingo;^ related
1490856;1466964239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wot.
1490857;1466964243;mircea_popescu;right.
1490858;1466964255;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490833 << it is part of the 'escape' fantasy.
1490859;1466964255;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: it's what i see here. can't be a god damned waitress, gotta do waitressing "ironically" like she's seen in clerks, because otherwise WHAT COULD HAPPEN!
1490860;1466964261;asciilifeform;as described by tlp
1490861;1466964273;shinohai;Moar in tor lulz >>> https://twitter.com/hackerfantastic/status/747109994055766016
1490862;1466964280;mircea_popescu;myeah. hopelessness would really help a lot of people.
1490863;1466964294;asciilifeform;'perhaps NEXT YEAR!111 i can stop gassing jews and my real life will start'
1490864;1466964549;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490800 << they Just Want To!11 (tm) (r)
1490865;1466964549;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 16:43 mircea_popescu: anywya. your definition of dumb is not useful, because being smart is no particular defense against being dumb. i can readily grant that they're smart, in the sense of trained monkey : give it a fiddle and watch in amazement. but without the fiddle it's just a monkey, and just like the horse that can count to five is a remarkable horse, not a remarkable matematician - these friends of yours are particularly 
1490866;1466964605;asciilifeform;see also huxley's 'improved means towards deteriorated ends'
1490867;1466964610;mircea_popescu;who could have predicted just how powerful an analytical tool that random encounter on a blog's comment page would turn out to be.
1490868;1466964617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform haha EXACTLY.
1490869;1466964638;mircea_popescu;this, i propose, is what ALWAYS happens when ANY consideration is given to purpose rather than remaining entirely grounded in cause.
1490870;1466964657;mircea_popescu;errors travel back down and grind down not your results, but ~your capacity for having any results~.
1490871;1466964702;asciilifeform;it is standard transform from beast of the forest to best of the field.
1490872;1466965227;mircea_popescu;seen in systems engineering with disastrous results.
1490873;1466965247;mircea_popescu;"why is this line of code here ?" "because we want to..." "bitch, nobody cares, WHY is it here!"
1490874;1466965252;asciilifeform;*beast of the field
1490875;1466965261;mircea_popescu;your goals don't fucking enter into it. quo warranto!
1490876;1466967441;deedbot;[Trilema] How I convinced some jailbirds I'm more demented than they could ever hope to be. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-i-convinced-some-jailbirds-im-more-demented-than-they-could-ever-hope-to-be/
1490877;1466972221;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490596 << that may be, but the point was the sewage ditch in the middle of the [obviously pedestrian by default] thoroughway, typical for the medieval town.
1490878;1466972221;a111;Logged on 2016-06-25 23:48 asciilifeform: and the whole 'favela' looks nicer than most of baltimore.
1490879;1466973092;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/0aba33567459e7e3ed7b0970f991a9a6/tumblr_nq576pVTiw1t3kg4lo1_1280.jpg
1490880;1466976485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: moar lulz: http://freedomoutpost.com/sandy-hook-lead-investigator-maj-william-podgorski-dies-suddenly
1490881;1466978569;shinohai;http://archive.is/UpMYP   <<< it's a konspiracy!!!!
1490882;1466985151;mircea_popescu;heh
1490883;1466985409;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform these people with the ads. there's two google shits AND a popup overlay wtf already.
1490884;1466985592;mircea_popescu;;;later tell King_Rex please fix your connection.
1490885;1466985592;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1490886;1466985598;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pabl0 please fix your connection.
1490887;1466985598;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1490888;1466985691;mircea_popescu;da fuck
1490889;1466985814;asciilifeform;wat
1490890;1466985819;mircea_popescu;i have nfi wtf this is.
1490891;1466985823;asciilifeform;fleanode.
1490892;1466985850;mircea_popescu;so apparently whenever i set flags on a luser, it devoices everyone.
1490893;1466985926;asciilifeform;weird.
1490894;1466986014;shinohai;>.>
1490895;1466986039;mircea_popescu;apparently you're supposed to say /mode #trilema +b *!*pablo___@213.152.162.94 rather than /msg chanserv FLAGS #trilema *!*pablo___@213.152.162.94 +b
1490896;1466986072;mircea_popescu;anyway, this squarely counts as a maintenance item that cost more than not bothering i guess.
1490897;1466988157;mats;mircea_popescu: what can i do to bring the courts-circus project to a close?
1490898;1466988207;mats;thing's still in limbo, i just remembered
1490899;1466988222;phf;ask not what tmsr can do for you
1490900;1466988384;mircea_popescu;no he has a point, lemme see what was with it.
1490901;1466988418;mats;also, anyone remember pj?
1490902;1466988426;phf;i'm just making noise
1490903;1466988453;mats;three years now and nobody has filled her shoes as far as i know
1490904;1466988457;mircea_popescu;ah i remember, you had a solid list but then it turned out there's a bunch of ther judges.
1490905;1466988464;phf;i remember first seeing that speech on a pirated encarta copy i bought in moscow metro pirate shop
1490906;1466988468;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114841
1490907;1466988490;mircea_popescu;which pj ?
1490908;1466988513;mats;'pamela johnson', groklaw person
1490909;1466988551;mircea_popescu;mats the major problem is how the fuck does one get an ~actual~ list of all these schmucks.
1490910;1466988592;mats;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-114900 is my response to hanbot's query about those judges
1490911;1466988613;mats;hanbot was gonna look at it but got caught up in some trb thing
1490912;1466988616;mircea_popescu;no i saw, she threw up some names and you added them, it's very good work. but the point is... are there more ?
1490913;1466988625;mircea_popescu;where did they come from hanbot ?
1490914;1466988629;mircea_popescu;you got alist or something ?
1490915;1466988727;hanbot;yeah mats def did solid work on that thing. dubious if it's complete, dubious how close the measuring could get. mircea_popescu as i recall i googled for related terms, specifically avoiding lists
1490916;1466988742;mircea_popescu;gah
1490917;1466988750;mats;my source of truth was nubbins list, which was based on some judgepedia thing
1490918;1466988777;mats;anyways i'll go back and double check
1490919;1466988792;mircea_popescu;well what the fuck do i do here, the guy has a reasonable stand, but i mean... is this country so orcish it publishes no such thing as a god damned judges list ?
1490920;1466988816;mircea_popescu;it boggles the mind ; they want to issue id to livestock, you can't get a list of "magistrates" ?
1490921;1466988865;mircea_popescu;mats if you manage to dig out some sort of you know, official publication listing them that'd be golden.
1490922;1466988869;phf;probably don't want people to start "making lists"
1490923;1466988894;mircea_popescu;phf not how "democracy" etc works now is it. of course people make lists, they gotta be afraid. very, very afraid.
1490924;1466988903;mircea_popescu;not like I'm gonna be afraid of fucking bureaucrats now wtf.
1490925;1466988930;mircea_popescu;anyway - this is what it was, we had a list of unclear provenance, mats processed it well, then more names were found, and it became a question of, well, gotta make a complete proper list.
1490926;1466989247;mircea_popescu;and in other mews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f53198b7fe4af57b04275b92aa31aa50/tumblr_mkqb30ar5Z1s9hv2no1_500.gif
1490927;1466989355;hanbot;well worst comes to worst, could be done county by county, seems they all have a list, independently.
1490928;1466989420;hanbot;just over 3k of 'em.
1490929;1466989444;mircea_popescu;uh
1490930;1466989452;mircea_popescu;wait, each county has at least one magistrate in it ?
1490931;1466989487;mircea_popescu;our list is, iirc, ~30 long
1490932;1466989524;mircea_popescu;hanbot mind picking random county for a quick test ?
1490933;1466989595;hanbot;nah can't be one or more per county, gotta be district (94). anyway, sure.
1490934;1466989644;mircea_popescu;so then what's counties to do with all this ?
1490935;1466989748;hanbot;nothing outside my brainfart. ;/
1490936;1466989757;hanbot;anyway, by district
1490937;1466989783;hanbot;northern california for instance yields http://www.cand.uscourts.gov/judges , total of three, and lemme see
1490938;1466989819;mats;http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/export.html
1490939;1466989896;mircea_popescu;if it is the case that 94 districts average between 2 and 3, then it's quite possible that we have ~all or at least most of the list, considering the pretty draconinc age restricons involved.
1490940;1466989898;mats;the csv looks broken though...
1490941;1466989923;mircea_popescu;mats those seem to be proper judges tho, we're looking for the glorified police station detectives aka "magistrate" judges.
1490942;1466989980;hanbot;2/3 in nocal for instance definitely don't belong, very unlikely on the third
1490943;1466989997;mats;there's a field for 'Bankruptcy and Magistrate service'
1490944;1466990014;hanbot;mircea_popescu would you like all districts or some sample (how many?) checked?
1490945;1466990025;mats;this is a really shit way to organize data
1490946;1466990038;mircea_popescu;hanbot how did you get 3 ? i see 1 + 2 + 2 + 6 = 11
1490947;1466990073;mircea_popescu;o wait, + 2 more.
1490948;1466990075;hanbot;wtf, two distinct groups  of em?! why? oh courthouses. ffs, sec.
1490949;1466990076;hanbot;lol
1490950;1466990085;mircea_popescu;there's 13 on that page (eureka courthouse + visiting judge)
1490951;1466990112;hanbot;yeah i'll take a look.
1490952;1466990128;mircea_popescu;mats but allow me to quote, "· The large number of blank fields in most records is to accommodate those judges who have been appointed to multiple judicial positions in the federal courts. This makes the data easier to drop into a spreadsheet program. "
1490953;1466990135;mircea_popescu;clearly, these people understand things as well as matters.
1490954;1466990216;mircea_popescu;anyway, if northern california is the outlier it usually is, we could judge this list to be maybe 3-500 total ? somewhere there, as a guesstimate.
1490955;1466990396;hanbot;all eleven are disqualified.
1490956;1466990403;hanbot;thirteen. motherfucker.
1490957;1466990418;mircea_popescu;o ? but liek details ?
1490958;1466990489;mats;so according to Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, Article 2.09, all judges are magistrates, along with mayors of incorporated cities
1490959;1466990503;*;mats smashes keyboard
1490960;1466990505;mircea_popescu;no that's a different item
1490961;1466990512;mircea_popescu;it probably deals with pensions etc.
1490962;1466990531;mircea_popescu;mere synonimy my dear mats hold on to your sanity :)
1490963;1466990576;hanbot;twelve appointed after 1993. no info found on the chief, spero's appt date.
1490964;1466990588;mircea_popescu;ah ok.
1490965;1466990665;mats;i got a feeling the list is in the csv, just gotta massage it a bit...
1490966;1466990673;mircea_popescu;possible.
1490967;1466990682;mircea_popescu;spotcheck for the 13 enumerated nocal ones ?
1490968;1466990687;asciilifeform;these here judges aren't in 'plum book', are they ?
1490969;1466990702;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thye might be
1490970;1466990727;asciilifeform;https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/GPO-PLUMBOOK-2012/content-detail.html
1490971;1466990731;mats;some magistrates are appointed by the senate, so could be i believe
1490972;1466990736;mircea_popescu;http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/CR.2.htm << lists some crap. but does http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CR/htm/ list the index, like with sane people ? NO! WHY WOULD IT!!1
1490973;1466990978;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1490974;1466990979;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 633.6, Best ask: 633.85, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 633.6, 24 hour volume: 48833.73014852, 24 hour low: 614.33, 24 hour high: 667.2, 24 hour vwap: None
1490975;1466990988;mircea_popescu;;;calc 26.77796860 * 633.6
1490976;1466990988;gribble;16966.520905
1490977;1466990995;mircea_popescu;nb.
1490978;1466991322;hanbot;fwiw, here's a couple more: northern ny: 7 mag. judges, all disqualified by appt. date. northern tx: 9 mag. judges, 1 qualifies and is not on list (Clinton Averitte), 7 disqualified by appt. date, 1 no appt. date found.
1490979;1466991342;mircea_popescu;he wasn't appointed, he was just born there.
1490980;1466991348;mircea_popescu;the mess in the paperwork i swear...
1490981;1466991592;mircea_popescu;here's a tidbit asciilifeform will no doubt appreciate : "Turn Self in Program Under this program you may turn yourself in without posting a bond. You are required to br ing 25.00 non refundable fee for each warrant."
1490982;1466991624;asciilifeform;this is glorious
1490983;1466991627;asciilifeform;where is it
1490984;1466991654;asciilifeform;and what can you turn yourself in for ? and is there discount if multiple crimes ?
1490985;1466991698;mircea_popescu;no discount!
1490986;1466991703;asciilifeform;eh.
1490987;1466991707;mircea_popescu;but some warrants don't even qualify!
1490988;1466991719;mircea_popescu;anyway, minnehaha county sheriff information.
1490989;1466991724;asciilifeform;l0l
1490990;1466991740;phf;voluntary impalement, bring own stake
1490991;1466991763;mircea_popescu;phf nah, because a) must be "proper" ie "standard" and b) they already sold out the headcount to a private company
1490992;1466991770;mircea_popescu;so bring $195. in cash.
1490993;1466993228;hanbot;<mircea_popescu> the mess in the paperwork i swear... << and that lack of data via northern tx's listing, the best i've seen so far, all other judges have year of appointment and the holy grail, year of birth (inconceivable!), but this Hal R. Ray guy, absolutely nothing. google him, ditto, buncha mugs with the same last name. i suppose he was signed up this morning.
1490994;1466993251;mircea_popescu;maybe he's the secret agent magistrate judge
1490995;1466993256;mircea_popescu;tum- tu-tum- tududududm
1490996;1466993337;BingoBoingo;Who has a $2 pipe wrench soaking in vinegar? This guy!
1490997;1466993375;hanbot;so you know, someone who needs to know this stuff for their job fails, which means someone further down the line idem, no wonder no sense comes out of anything touching the atrocity.
1490998;1466993416;hanbot;and wtf kind of name is Hal R. Ray, even.
1490999;1466993448;mircea_popescu;check it out he absolutely doesn't exist.
1491000;1466993476;phf;BingoBoingo: why vinegar?
1491001;1466993502;BingoBoingo;phf: To remove the rust and leave a black oxide finish in its place.
1491002;1466993509;phf;aah
1491003;1466993529;*;phf soaks things in gasoline
1491004;1466993536;phf;but i guess that'll remove the finish
1491005;1466993565;BingoBoingo;Well gasoline won't leave an oxide after it breaks through the rust to actual steel
1491006;1466993583;mircea_popescu;he has a kid hal r ray jr who's in phi delta phi, u texas at fort worth
1491007;1466993908;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's wrong with naval jelly
1491008;1466993954;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's hot and I'd have to get in the car to get it. Pipe wrench merely required happy accident of walking past driveway sale.
1491009;1466994767;*;asciilifeform re-read the alba y yeltes mega-piece for umpteenth time, blames mircea_popescu 
1491010;1466994784;asciilifeform;did you folx know that the man wrote 3111117 B00KZ!!
1491011;1466994792;asciilifeform;i would like to read'em
1491012;1466994801;asciilifeform;but they seem to exist in 1 copy each, at the national lib in madrid.
1491013;1466994835;asciilifeform;( he wrote 2, 1 about 'the atom', other - about how The Answer Lies in the Sewers (tm) (r) )
1491014;1466994881;asciilifeform;( which piece ? https://core.ac.uk/display/199266 << it )
1491015;1466995208;mircea_popescu;that display is so shitty im not surprised it's on a uk website.
1491016;1466995223;asciilifeform;i posted decrufted ver eons ago
1491017;1466995229;asciilifeform;need a new one ?
1491018;1466995240;mircea_popescu;nah, jus' sayin'
1491019;1466995248;asciilifeform;(it appears to be the closest thing to a biography of the man in any language i can think of)
1491020;1466995273;asciilifeform;do i have to go in person to madrid to get his auto-bio ?
1491021;1466995283;asciilifeform;anyone who has a tip - let's have it.
1491022;1466995293;asciilifeform;( do we have a man near madrid ? )
1491023;1466995329;mircea_popescu;in other news, five fat old ugly women left the british labour "shadow cabinet"
1491024;1466995336;mircea_popescu;dramaz.
1491025;1466995347;asciilifeform;to be replaced immediately with young, thin, pretty ones ?
1491026;1466995358;mircea_popescu;socialists don't have pretty womenz.
1491027;1466995384;asciilifeform;they dun have plenty of things
1491028;1466995386;asciilifeform;can import.
1491029;1466995444;BingoBoingo;lazy reportage http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/06/26/sacramento-stabbings-violence-clash-national-socialists-anti-fascists/
1491030;1466995711;mircea_popescu;"anti fascists" being a bunch of obnoxious libertards abusing the naivite of this generation's punks.
1491031;1466995875;BingoBoingo;Eh I thought they were just tards who wanted to belong to something.
1491032;1466995943;mircea_popescu;most of them. but it's possibly the subculture most visibly infested by niggers
1491033;1466995969;mircea_popescu;"lgbt" is 2/3 to 4/5ths niggers by mass, the actual people with an actual sexual preference are lost among the aspirants to eating off the treasury.
1491034;1466996007;mircea_popescu;the antifa bs is more in the early stage, 10 to 20 confused kiddies who just want to crack a skull to one "manipulator" derp.
1491035;1466996096;asciilifeform;hey this described ~whole 20th c., blackshirts and all.
1491036;1466999773;BingoBoingo;Part 1 of 5 http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4679
1491037;1466999901;BingoBoingo;$up naughtygirl
1491038;1466999901;deedbot;naughtygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
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1491043;1467000060;phf;no i don't want yo number no i don't wanna give you mine
1491044;1467000073;BingoBoingo;^ in the interim you are welcome to register a public key so that you may voice yourself
1491045;1467001504;mircea_popescu;naughtygirl you here for the tits ?
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1491047;1467001633;deedbot;_FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
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1491050;1467001982;deedbot;naughtygirl voiced for 30 minutes.
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1491053;1467002084;_FeltPen;oO
1491054;1467002089;mircea_popescu;naughtygirl ah, write hmm
1491055;1467002106;mircea_popescu;write b4b7323f on your tits, take pic.
1491056;1467002119;naughtygirl;https://www.reddit.com/r/gonewild/comments/4pr8gn/f_bend_me_over_and_use_me_like_a_slut/
1491057;1467002126;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw, that sacramento thing... weimar republic through and through.
1491058;1467002148;mircea_popescu;next the commies are going to make a "revolutionary army", various right wingers various sb/sa/blabla,
1491059;1467002169;mircea_popescu;then they burn the black people. for being ~12% of the population and "corrupting the youth through their control of media".
1491060;1467002179;mircea_popescu;not to mention you know, drinking baby blood or w/e.
1491061;1467002236;BingoBoingo;$s purple drank
1491062;1467002237;a111;9 results for "purple drank", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=purple%20drank
1491063;1467002249;BingoBoingo;srsly everything!
1491064;1467002260;mircea_popescu;heh
1491065;1467002327;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at band camp, http://66.media.tumblr.com/33fbd6f499ffc0a02e0ba50b7b207850/tumblr_o0kukyZSTg1t4kskho1_1280.jpg
1491066;1467002361;trinque;changed $up rules such that L2 can up visitors.
1491067;1467002388;mircea_popescu;win.
1491068;1467002396;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "until they IRS gave them a PIN." <
1491069;1467002439;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1491070;1467002848;naughtygirl;http://i.imgur.com/aGK34uU.jpg
1491071;1467002860;naughtygirl;http://i.imgur.com/XQuu48W.jpg
1491072;1467002883;mircea_popescu;naughtygirl you'll have to put your head in there. take the other girls for a model.
1491073;1467002913;naughtygirl;i dont really want to show my face
1491074;1467002942;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you.
1491075;1467002955;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-26#1490744 << no man you miss the point entirely
1491076;1467002955;a111;Logged on 2016-06-26 15:38 Framedragger: but to suggest that folk from within are in on it, as in usg agents whatnot, is bull. i know that in terms of effects there may not be much of a difference, but whenever you say "prolly controlled burn by those idiots", i want to smack you because those friends are not dumb at all.
1491077;1467002975;ben_vulpes;some non-wot nignogs claim to have written some 'privacy' 'software'
1491078;1467003019;ben_vulpes;mk well they can show up here where we coordinate the /actual fight against statists/ and answer a whole lot of questions
1491079;1467003092;naughtygirl;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/d6gfmim-s.jpg
1491080;1467003098;naughtygirl;that girl didnt show her face
1491081;1467003099;ben_vulpes;and until they have a representative in the forum full-time, they are each and every one gestapo, regardless of how many 'phreedom phighter' claims they make, or their handlers make on their behalf.
1491082;1467003130;ben_vulpes;naughtygirl: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-25#1490517
1491083;1467003130;a111;Logged on 2016-06-25 19:58 mircea_popescu: it's okay, and i dun recall, but the past is not dispositive. future girl that dun show isn't getting paid.
1491084;1467003185;mircea_popescu;o look ben_vulpes beat me to it.
1491085;1467003679;mircea_popescu;hard to let go huh.
1491086;1467025846;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1491087;1467025891;shinohai;y u so slow gribble
1491088;1467025919;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 638.15, vol: 8858.20564152 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 618.997, vol: 7516.92288 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 638.73, vol: 56253.70796753 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 640.545, vol: 1497.28084907 | Volume-weighted last average: 636.696281803
1491089;1467030911;thestringpuller;holy shit is the pound really worth less than euro?
1491090;1467030926;thestringpuller;nvm they are both plummeting. wtf
1491091;1467033234;phf;i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them
1491092;1467033253;phf;*wanted to
1491093;1467035499;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1491094;1467035501;gribble;Current Blocks: 418218 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 1109 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 57 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1491095;1467036538;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 979342349029617653 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alex Nicoll <anicoll@cert.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E0E519C7D7913CDB68D1FEF058D2C524BB3C9BAFDB87A0A31F8975D9987456D2
1491096;1467036560;asciilifeform;zzzzap
1491097;1467036563;asciilifeform;cert l0l
1491098;1467036602;asciilifeform;flipolade, naturally.
1491099;1467036614;asciilifeform;but didja know, CERT folk attract high-energy particles ?
1491100;1467036781;thestringpuller;i thought that was CERN
1491101;1467036881;adlai;they generate them
1491102;1467037093;*;asciilifeform wonders when we find the first polonium'd schmuck via his flipolade.
1491103;1467037263;asciilifeform;;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in)
1491104;1467037264;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1491105;1467037319;asciilifeform;sks circa may is 3799663/4265572 in.
1491106;1467038345;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1606/1606.05915.pdf >>> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/12fe3f69-0ae2-4a96-8cb4-b0f6b33bd490 << from the tel aviv rsa key lifting folks.
1491107;1467038441;asciilifeform;just say no to software-controlled fans.
1491108;1467038470;*;asciilifeform doesn't use them, because he can't stand noise transitions.
1491109;1467038853;trinque;adlai: you alive?
1491110;1467038880;*;trinque pokes adlai with walking stick
1491111;1467039408;BingoBoingo;trinque: He may be back in LSD rehab?
1491112;1467039436;BingoBoingo;Or if in Asylum he may have made mistake of talking about us and is being "cured"
1491113;1467039996;trinque;$up _FeltPen
1491114;1467040037;trinque;hmm
1491115;1467040119;trinque;odd.. the bot's not saying anything back on any command. all that was changed was an if conditional inside the $up command.
1491116;1467040125;trinque;$key trinque
1491117;1467040148;deedbot;_FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
1491118;1467040165;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/deb12c5e-7bfc-4b11-a031-d452935080a3/
1491119;1467040193;trinque;box isn't overloaded. I'm gonna give freenode the points for that one.
1491120;1467040201;_FeltPen;thx!
1491121;1467040220;_FeltPen;can i register for WOT in this channel or do I need to do that in bitcoin-assets?
1491122;1467040228;trinque;no, here.
1491123;1467040230;trinque;$help
1491124;1467040230;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1491125;1467040233;trinque;_FeltPen: ^
1491126;1467040263;trinque;make sure you have the nick you want first.
1491127;1467040338;_FeltPen;thx, trinque
1491128;1467040530;_FeltPen;$register _FeltPen A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
1491129;1467040531;deedbot;Import failed for _FeltPen.
1491130;1467040555;trinque;I'm sorry; docs are wrong. You only need the fingerprint
1491131;1467040575;_FeltPen;ok, so eliminate ref to nick?
1491132;1467040599;trinque;correct
1491133;1467040601;_FeltPen;$register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
1491134;1467040602;deedbot;Import failed for A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB.
1491135;1467040609;_FeltPen;ha
1491136;1467040616;trinque;is your key on sks?
1491137;1467040640;_FeltPen;yeah, i believe so.  will check later - no biggie. thanks for help.
1491138;1467040648;trinque;I can't recv-key that over here.
1491139;1467040781;_FeltPen;its there, but i just added it again.  will try to register again.
1491140;1467040795;_FeltPen;$register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB
1491141;1467040796;deedbot;Import failed for A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24AB.
1491142;1467040831;trinque;that seems like it's missing two bytes
1491143;1467040864;trinque;er one byte
1491144;1467040885;_FeltPen;oh, dang it.  will have to wait until later then.
1491145;1467040939;trinque;you're just missing a B6 at end :p
1491146;1467040955;trinque;embiggen your terminal
1491147;1467041015;_FeltPen;$register A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24ABB6
1491148;1467041019;deedbot;A7C8CC92707C479FF0BB80BE549A82E9DF24ABB6 registered as _FeltPen.
1491149;1467041024;_FeltPen;woot
1491150;1467041146;trinque;docs fixed, and welcome.
1491151;1467041222;_FeltPen;Thanks again.
1491152;1467041400;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Where the sun’s up past 10:00pm. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/27/where-the-suns-up-past-1000pm/
1491153;1467043380;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491091 << "Polls can be this wrong because a thin sliver "at the top", The Delusionals, have an investment in reality turning a certain way. So they falsify. "
1491154;1467043380;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 13:13 phf: i'm not quite grokking how this was an unexpected outcome. prices drop because of smaller things and this was a massive price signal. from my naive perspective you have a bunch of people saying "eu sucks" and "britain has standalone economy" both assertions need to be explored and nobody particularly wants to explore them
1491155;1467043420;mircea_popescu;you know the hipster chick that went down the ghetto road by her lonesome in nothing but six inch heels one fine late summer evening ?
1491156;1467043431;mircea_popescu;INEXPLICABLY things were done to her THAT COULDNT HAVE BEEN EXPECTED.
1491157;1467043443;phf;victim blaming!
1491158;1467043455;mircea_popescu;for the delusionists in question, the "couldn't have been expected" and "inexplicably" part of their narrative are actually more important than the events themselves.
1491159;1467043474;mircea_popescu;all they really wish to do is to scream as loudly as they can, permanently, that.
1491160;1467043587;mircea_popescu;in any case, it's not some sort of rational process. it's merely "the secret" played straight. if they will it enough it'll matter.
1491161;1467043632;phf;man, i'm starting to understand why nero was playing that fiddle
1491162;1467043654;asciilifeform;^
1491163;1467043657;mircea_popescu;aha. heroic figure, the more you think of it.
1491164;1467043676;mircea_popescu;"he made his horse a senator" <=> "stated his horse would make a finer senator than most of them"
1491165;1467043683;mircea_popescu;etc.
1491166;1467043742;asciilifeform;'caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator' (tm) (r) !1111
1491167;1467043847;mircea_popescu;wait, nero wasn't racist ?
1491168;1467044169;BingoBoingo;Nero held the race of Horses in high esteem
1491169;1467044341;asciilifeform;perhaps his h0rs3 was a houyhnhnm !
1491170;1467044398;mircea_popescu;i'm pretending the way you say "equum consulem declarare non erubuit" in english is "racist".
1491171;1467044597;phf;it is certainly a fine troll and a strong way to make your point, still it gets lost in the echo chamber
1491172;1467044638;asciilifeform;aaactually there is also a theory that it got lost in the echo chamber of suetonius, who was quite possibly his era's equivalent of, e.g., michael moore
1491173;1467044660;asciilifeform;(or more accurately - howard zinn)
1491174;1467044741;mircea_popescu;well, agrippina biography - lost ; that lost, this lost... who's to know.
1491175;1467044908;mircea_popescu;(the sauce for the quote is juvenal, adrien valois, seigneur de la mare edition)
1491176;1467044927;mircea_popescu;lest anyone goes blind seeking the impossible.
1491177;1467045039;phf;so, i just learned that historia is produced by an istor or widstor, i.e. a wise man or a person who knows/sees, i.e. the one who вид-ит
1491178;1467045056;mircea_popescu;so it is!
1491179;1467045189;phf;interesting how the first few syllables get lost with time, "vedas" and "story" both pointing in the same direction
1491180;1467045280;mircea_popescu;romanian to this day uses "a invedera" as part of common please (to bring to the court, to put in the record). so the change isn't either that new or that central.
1491181;1467045284;BingoBoingo;from the mines https://i.imgur.com/IS7GswEr.png
1491182;1467045287;mircea_popescu;common pleas*
1491183;1467045326;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what is this rubbish
1491184;1467045356;mircea_popescu;i thought hairspray was a fag interest musical.
1491185;1467045360;mircea_popescu;they made a movie ?
1491186;1467045360;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Exactly that.
1491187;1467045369;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: With John Travolta!
1491188;1467045383;mircea_popescu;heh ok.
1491189;1467045392;BingoBoingo;John Travolta was the fat tranny, for srs
1491190;1467045397;mircea_popescu;hahaha what!
1491191;1467045472;BingoBoingo;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairspray_%282007_film%29 << from pediwiko
1491192;1467045473;mircea_popescu;i might have to see this now.
1491193;1467045530;BingoBoingo;"John Travolta as Edna Turnblad, Tracy's mother and agent, an agoraphobe ashamed of her obesity. Travolta's casting as Edna continues the tradition of having a man in drag portray the character, going back to the original 1988 film, which featured drag queen Divine as Edna and at Hairspray's Broadway version, which featured Harvey Fierstein as Edna.[10] Executives at New Line Cinema originally expected the part to be filled by an actor a
1491194;1467045530;BingoBoingo;ccustomed to playing comic roles, tossing around names such as Robin Williams, Steve Martin, and Tom Hanks.[10] However, Travolta was aggressively sought after by producers Craig Zadan and Neil Meron for this role because he had starred as Danny Zuko in Grease, the second most successful movie musical to date, beaten only by Mamma Mia!."
1491195;1467045588;mircea_popescu;uh. grease was a "movie musical" >
1491196;1467045597;mircea_popescu;i thought it was a derpy "teenage interest" thing.
1491197;1467045598;BingoBoingo;And this is the butter huffer who spewed the froth asciilifeform astutely identified as "rubbish" https://archive.is/zjHuF
1491198;1467045631;BingoBoingo;Hey, an AR-15 is a "Modern Sporting Rifle"
1491199;1467045653;BingoBoingo;Never underestimate the time spent by labelmakers
1491200;1467045660;mircea_popescu;she looks almost exactly like this chick at the bdsm club.
1491201;1467045722;BingoBoingo;Which one?
1491202;1467045740;mircea_popescu;the one you linked
1491203;1467045912;BingoBoingo;In mean which chick at the BDSM club?
1491204;1467045961;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Producers. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/27/the-producers/
1491205;1467046124;phf;huh, i kind of want to see the original with Divine now
1491206;1467046208;phf;debbie harry as the antagonist
1491207;1467046412;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491200 << holy shit yet
1491208;1467046412;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 16:41 mircea_popescu: she looks almost exactly like this chick at the bdsm club.
1491209;1467046413;asciilifeform;*yes
1491210;1467046416;asciilifeform;the one mircea_popescu showed me !
1491211;1467046422;asciilifeform;( augustina or something, was her name )
1491212;1467046819;mircea_popescu;ha!
1491213;1467046904;BingoBoingo;Well, what else can one expect of a failed Actrauce (-auce is the way to gender job titles mayo)
1491214;1467046951;deedbot;[Qntra] US Polling: Third Party Candidate Takes From Clinton - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-polling-third-party-candidate-takes-from-clinton/
1491215;1467046976;mircea_popescu;o right, tacitus on community consensus : omnium consensu capax imperii nisi imperasset.
1491216;1467047056;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli
1491217;1467047056;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1491218;1467047116;mircea_popescu;ie "everyone agreed he's capable to empire until he actually did."
1491219;1467047496;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you might find interesting: apparently baltimore has thousands of 5-30k houses, in various stages of ruin
1491220;1467047496;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491092 << i'd be very much to see exactly what uk economy consists of, altogether.
1491221;1467047496;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 13:14 phf: *wanted to
1491222;1467047518;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: london barristers buyin' and sellin' mircea_popescu's lawsuits ?
1491223;1467047526;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Seriously these things exist and you don't even have to travel far!
1491224;1467047533;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and this is "independent" ?
1491225;1467047548;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491103 << i was meditating upon the same wonder. wtf is this.
1491226;1467047549;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 14:21 asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in)
1491227;1467047558;asciilifeform;every tinpot dictator with his own printolade printer thinks 'independent'
1491228;1467047585;mircea_popescu;but that is an independent politics, not an independent economy.
1491229;1467047599;mircea_popescu;the ur example of this being charles, emperor of the nonsunsetting-empire.
1491230;1467047607;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i genuinely have nfi. but a little more of this and i'ma start verifying the keyz, possibly Framedragger was mitm'd when he scanned. or fucked up in some other way.
1491231;1467047631;asciilifeform;(though almost any imaginable mistake would result in MORE-phuctorable mods, vs less)
1491232;1467047658;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1491233;1467047679;asciilifeform;well consider the behaviours of random nums, or flipolade, etc.
1491234;1467047682;mircea_popescu;i dun think the butterfly collection warrants any action yet, but it is pretty stranger.
1491235;1467047692;asciilifeform;srsly NOT ONE popped to date.
1491236;1467047701;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, you know, wtf, "flipped bits" except in the one most likely fucking spot it never happens ?
1491237;1467047713;mircea_popescu;ftr, 0 out of 200k is just about consistent with a TRUE rate of "random bit flippage".
1491238;1467047740;asciilifeform;the historic ~0.1% popping rate of ssh keys has nothing to do with flips, and everything to do with embedded gadgets with no rng
1491239;1467047745;asciilifeform;(e.g., chinese routers)
1491240;1467047770;asciilifeform;somehow i am being asked to believe that the first 170,000 of Framedragger's samples contained 0 of this.
1491241;1467047789;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and these embedded gadgets do not exist on ssh ?
1491242;1467047806;asciilifeform;they exist on nearly every consumer line.
1491243;1467047813;asciilifeform;but somehow not in the 170,000 samples.
1491244;1467047819;mircea_popescu;well, give it time, we see.
1491245;1467047837;asciilifeform;perhaps they are sorted by ip, and thus far we've done only mitsubishi's ip blok or sumthing.
1491246;1467047863;mircea_popescu;oh and in other mews, i give you the peacock tail! http://67.media.tumblr.com/c3bf23bc0126e2abc63617477522c9d0/tumblr_o2tvnzL6Ze1v2ot9zo1_1280.jpg
1491247;1467047881;asciilifeform;holy shit wut
1491248;1467047886;asciilifeform;or rather, ~how~
1491249;1467047893;mircea_popescu;it's elastic.
1491250;1467048030;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: they all require heavy terraforming.
1491251;1467048041;asciilifeform;and are in lafond-zone
1491252;1467048048;asciilifeform;but go, load up.
1491253;1467048067;mircea_popescu;ftr, contrary to what whiteboys think, "lafond zone" is much better zone than drycunt zone.
1491254;1467048077;asciilifeform;depends for wat
1491255;1467048079;mircea_popescu;murder rate of what, 50 per 100k ? still means ~nothing practical.
1491256;1467048083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for having a good time.
1491257;1467048087;asciilifeform;i have friends living there. it isn't so great time.
1491258;1467048091;asciilifeform;but CHEAP!11111111
1491259;1467048092;mircea_popescu;how so ?
1491260;1467048101;mircea_popescu;i bet you they never go out to hang with the locals ?
1491261;1467048107;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are locals.
1491262;1467048119;mircea_popescu;so then not so great how ?
1491263;1467048123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: substantial costs in car windows alone
1491264;1467048128;phf;well, if you have a cause, by up a whole block, put a fence around it, reinforce windows, have a nice workshop space or whatever. as long as nobody's bicycling in you're solid
1491265;1467048133;asciilifeform;(idiots smash first, look for valuables later)
1491266;1467048154;mircea_popescu;phf this is a monopoly trade. if you're not in the right lawyer club you'll end up in the middle of a scandal.
1491267;1467048156;phf;i know people who did that in detroit before for a hackerspace, but with motorcycles
1491268;1467048158;asciilifeform;phf: if this were +ev, speculators would have done it.
1491269;1467048160;mircea_popescu;best be prepared to shoot the president if it comes to it.
1491270;1467048162;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has it ^^^^
1491271;1467048168;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is ev, just, not for everyone.
1491272;1467048184;asciilifeform;and not for the others either, apparently
1491273;1467048192;mircea_popescu;lafond correctly shows that the whole "race riots" is just demographic rearrangement after some dudes decided to reclaim 1920s buildings downtown
1491274;1467048193;asciilifeform;judging by the 0 uptake among the dirigible dwellers.
1491275;1467048204;phf;asciilifeform: speculators sell in to markets, some things just don't have easily identifiable markets 
1491276;1467048205;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would i work for the us ?
1491277;1467048223;mircea_popescu;one needs a sort of patriotic dweller to engage in this sort of thing.
1491278;1467048232;asciilifeform;and they've run out, apparently.
1491279;1467048252;asciilifeform;anyway asciilifeform will not be building baltimore fort.
1491280;1467048257;mircea_popescu;phf maybe particular pufferfish may get away with it if small and exceptional.
1491281;1467048264;mircea_popescu;but as a for-profit thing, you need your own army.
1491282;1467048301;asciilifeform;i would buy one for a workshop but it'll get emptied as soon as i drive off.
1491283;1467048329;asciilifeform;if i wanted to give my gear to scrap iron thieves, i could do it FOR PHREE, without paying 10k for the container
1491284;1467048334;mircea_popescu;emplace automated machine guns, shoot on movement.
1491285;1467048339;BingoBoingo;Whatever happened to "Every pet a rifleman"?
1491286;1467048343;mircea_popescu;be the next "black lives matter" dude.
1491287;1467048347;asciilifeform;will need automated atomic bombs
1491288;1467048351;asciilifeform;for when they come.
1491289;1467048357;phf;mircea_popescu: oh i agree, but i'm not telling other pufferfish how to do things, i'm talking from my school :> i'm not even saying it's somehow special. it's just very cheap to put a workspace area in ghetto if the people working it are basically ok with manual labour, "community building" all that jazz
1491290;1467048363;mircea_popescu;nah, jackals are essentially cowardly.
1491291;1467048377;asciilifeform;if i wanted to replay waco, could also do it for free, without buying any real estate.
1491292;1467048378;mircea_popescu;phf and are mostly men.
1491293;1467048394;mircea_popescu;you go, put a "designer etsy girl" community in ghetoo. take pix.
1491294;1467048439;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform correct response to waco buildup is thermobaric not atomic bomb.
1491295;1467048450;phf;etsy designer girls have downtown coworking spaces for $100/mo/person 
1491296;1467048458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: flechette mortar rounds.
1491297;1467048471;mircea_popescu;that's actually kinda cheap
1491298;1467048487;mircea_popescu;are downtown blowjobs like $15 or something ?
1491299;1467048487;phf;for a chair?
1491300;1467048488;asciilifeform;everything's is cheap to the folks who already have it. and $maxint for those who don't.
1491301;1467048519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, they do have it. work a day, get a grand or so. who ever heard of this, rent < 1 day's honest work ?
1491302;1467048530;phf;that's not for a room, that's essentially "club membership"
1491303;1467048535;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which they
1491304;1467048540;mircea_popescu;ah like a gym, but w/o fat shaming ?
1491305;1467048560;asciilifeform;or is this on mircea_popescu's ammonia-breathing planet
1491306;1467048584;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> everything's is cheap to the folks who already have it. and $maxint for those who don't. << I did not have a pipe wrench yesterday morning and yet $2 got me one before bed time on the same day.
1491307;1467048632;phf;yeah, basically. you get a floor of a building, put a bunch of tables, a few "closed door" closets for people who are willing to pay $400/mo, a printer, a coffeemaker, and then you charge people $100/mo to have a place to sit and chat all day
1491308;1467048633;mircea_popescu;oh incidentally, all this has stimulated me, ima go write a follow-up to http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/
1491309;1467048649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: be sure to include heat-seeking quadcopters
1491310;1467048649;mircea_popescu;phf ok this sounds like a great racket actually.
1491311;1467048656;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah it's biological.
1491312;1467048660;asciilifeform;snore
1491313;1467048677;mircea_popescu;hater!
1491314;1467048718;phf;this is a spinoff from ycombinator, where you're not paying for tangibles, like "such much space", but instead an opportunity to connect, blah blah blah
1491315;1467048732;asciilifeform;phf: i've been seeing ads for this nonsense in d.c.
1491316;1467048746;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to get teeth drilled sans anaesthesia
1491317;1467048811;phf;1776 is the biggest one, they have daily talks on how to succeed as a woman ceo, workshops on how to learn ruby. probably a good subject for a blog post, a tour of 1776 on an average day..
1491318;1467048857;phf;i'm not even exaggerating to pander, the whole thing is a parody of itself
1491319;1467048937;mircea_popescu;phf very good, i'd check it.
1491320;1467048971;phf;everybody's talking about how they are going to be bought, who got bought, who has an opportunity to get bought. we have our support team there, because they are in their 20s, need external stimulation, etc. but on the flip side they periodically come back with grandiose plans "for the company"
1491321;1467049111;phf;one guy (support) got it in his head that he's going to open a london branch of the company, he regularly arranges meetings with random uk business representatives to discuss along these lines. i heard he had some kind of meeting with richard branson as part of a small select group, etc. etc. mind you this has long been shot down by the owners as utterly insane and shut the fuck up. doesn't deter him.
1491322;1467049172;phf;it's like they are cooking in the 1776 delusion soup, completely detached from reality
1491323;1467049301;phf;that's definitely not the types i would want anywhere near a baltimore ghetto workshop. not only are they useless, they are also going to do something stupid, get shot or raped and next thing you know we're in the middle of scandal
1491324;1467049318;mircea_popescu;lmao
1491325;1467049378;BingoBoingo;I think it would be good for their morale
1491326;1467049403;mircea_popescu;phf well, depends if you're looking to monetize the scandal.
1491327;1467049417;BingoBoingo;If they can't leave their hug bubble because James Lafond presents, then they get to build up all the delusion still hotter
1491328;1467049433;mircea_popescu;ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm.
1491329;1467049436;mircea_popescu;so ... who knows.
1491330;1467049462;mircea_popescu;go there and compassionately offer them rape kits, or something.
1491331;1467049518;BingoBoingo;Who knows, maybe startup culture has a tin pest sort of effect on the hood?
1491332;1467049578;BingoBoingo;Gangs obsessing over their London and Rotterdam expansions and whatnot
1491333;1467050394;phf;pretty sure The Wire made fun of the whole "gangs trying to play white people games"
1491334;1467050441;trinque;I recall a hilarious "board meeting" in an episode, I think.
1491335;1467050455;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo should be lulzy in any case lol.
1491336;1467050468;mircea_popescu;phf this'd be that in reverse neh ?
1491337;1467050640;phf;oh that was in response to BingoBoingo's idea
1491338;1467050675;mircea_popescu;theoretically the millions upon millions of pointless white kids that tear down the universities each year and the nation's finances would utterly dilute the hood into meaninglessness.
1491339;1467050683;mircea_popescu;in practice, they're much too passive to matter.
1491340;1467050727;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: uh. white kids who move to the hood tend to "gentrify" it...
1491341;1467050749;mircea_popescu;nah, not to gentrify. they're not gentry. just, to scumiffy in a different direction.
1491342;1467050786;thestringpuller;oh. i don't even know if those white kids could even AFFORD to live in the hood.
1491343;1467050801;thestringpuller;that's why they move back home with mommy and daddy rent free
1491344;1467050818;mircea_popescu;well, slumlord phf buy the place for them, then charges them 100 a month for a dildo to sit on
1491345;1467050843;thestringpuller;i think you're accurately describing brooklyn
1491346;1467050921;mircea_popescu;lol
1491347;1467050925;mircea_popescu;word huh
1491348;1467051131;shinohai;Afternoon #trilema folks
1491349;1467051307;phf;so i've lived on the gentrification line before and it's never "white kids", they move in when after the whole thing is named "gentrification" and by then there's already a whole foods in the works. gentrification is brought about by utter misfit john waters crowd, and they prime the area for couple of years by throwing parties and making things happen, large portion of them is gay and otherwise insane.
1491350;1467051379;phf;once landlords or developers are involved the area has long been considered "interesting" by suburban types and "done" by the gentrification avant guard
1491351;1467051465;trinque;that happened in montrose, area of inner-loop houston
1491352;1467051470;trinque;"the gayborhood"
1491353;1467051473;phf;you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
1491354;1467051566;phf;yeah, the non space eventually actualizes into a named thing, and it can be "hipsters" like what happened to brooklyn or "gays" like what happened to dupont circle
1491355;1467051677;phf;the insane borderline chick that was my radar for these things wanted to move to williamsburg in 2002 or so cause that's where here friends were, by 2005 they had awesome parties there, by 2008 everybody knew they had awesome parties there, by 2012 the rent started to climb, by 2014 yuppies moving in, 2015 it's a joke that everyone's in on
1491356;1467051692;deedbot;[Trilema] Nobody could have foreseen their using a woman as a weapon - http://trilema.com/2016/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-woman-as-a-weapon/
1491357;1467052187;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/XIJ
1491358;1467052187;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1491359;1467052292;mircea_popescu;phf this is true.
1491360;1467052317;mircea_popescu;one of the better known example being 1950s greenwich village
1491361;1467052346;mircea_popescu;(note the importance of the gay army in taking land from savages - today as 3000 years ago)
1491362;1467052415;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1491363;1467052653;deedbot;[Qntra] Google CEO Social Media Account Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/google-ceo-social-media-account-hacked/
1491364;1467052819;mircea_popescu;possibly the lulziest "dedicated copywriter" result i've seen to date : http://theacneproject.com/does-accutane-work-for-acne/
1491365;1467052829;mircea_popescu;check it out BingoBoingo , a new AA cult is born!
1491366;1467052923;BingoBoingo;These things happen from time to time
1491367;1467053038;BingoBoingo;!up _FeltPen pls to just register already
1491368;1467053039;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1491369;1467053054;BingoBoingo;$up _FeltPen ^
1491370;1467053055;deedbot;_FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
1491371;1467053068;phf;saw it happen in fishtown, http://articles.philly.com/2016-02-19/news/70734651_1_fishtown-kensington-community-development-corp-johnny-brenda the place was amazing 10 years ago. dead, cheap, bunch of weirdos living there. there was a bookstore, called "germ", that would invite these totally insane performers. their book selection was ufo, nazi, conspiracy theories and right hand magick. they had like a hitler telegram on sale for $2k, it closed ab
1491372;1467053068;phf;out 5 years ago. now i can't go there without getting the anger shakes, it's a fucking millenial central. i got into a fight at johnny brenda's (mentioned in the article) a year ago, and everybody backed down, which made me even madder. fuck that place
1491373;1467053070;_FeltPen;Thanks!
1491374;1467053156;thestringpuller;lol. millennials tend to be pussies
1491375;1467053193;thestringpuller;i really hate my generation. but better for me cause it's not much competition for anything
1491376;1467053202;thestringpuller;although that's not a good thing...
1491377;1467053233;phf;http://articles.philly.com/2011-01-28/news/27054197_1_book-lovers-rare-books-alien-life
1491378;1467053248;_FeltPen;@thestringpuller - I feel you, nobody likes competing against a wet paper bag.
1491379;1467053320;phf;http://io9.gizmodo.com/346257/germ-books-in-philly-is-post-apocalyptic-pleasure
1491380;1467054019;mircea_popescu;phf so who did you get into a fight with then!
1491381;1467054033;phf;exactly :(
1491382;1467054051;mircea_popescu;heh
1491383;1467054067;*;mircea_popescu takes some solace in the notion that his sad personal history is not his alone.
1491384;1467057412;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-woman-as-a-weapon/#comment-117840
1491385;1467057412;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1491386;1467058272;shinohai;http://archive.is/tiY2j   <<< segwit stole our block propagation idea! LOL
1491387;1467058880;asciilifeform;snore
1491388;1467058977;shinohai;asciilifeform is such a wonderfully easy person to make snore. I'll bet he never needs Ambien.
1491389;1467059001;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491328 << this dun work. the buggers have an infinite capacity for doublethink and unprincipled-exception.
1491390;1467059001;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 17:43 mircea_popescu: ironically, you'd be in a dark cone of immunity because the derps can't quite argue that YOU are responsible by putting kids in harm's way, because they can't say black people are the harm.
1491391;1467059163;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491350 << approximately the role lichens play in nature
1491392;1467059163;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 18:16 phf: once landlords or developers are involved the area has long been considered "interesting" by suburban types and "done" by the gentrification avant guard
1491393;1467059208;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491353 << you can't get so much as a doghouse for this price, even in bmore
1491394;1467059208;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
1491395;1467059219;asciilifeform;unless there are 7 of you per flat
1491396;1467059251;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491361 << they work as lichens because they have (typically) no kidz, and don't give rat's arse about 'school district'
1491397;1467059251;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 18:32 mircea_popescu: (note the importance of the gay army in taking land from savages - today as 3000 years ago)
1491398;1467059353;asciilifeform;from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier country (and medically). Now we
1491399;1467059353;asciilifeform; are a consumer society, the bright store fronts and restaurants blinding people from seeing the general decay of the nation. Unless there's a revival of production and real technological progress, we are doomed...'
1491400;1467059385;asciilifeform;related, from same rag: http://articles.philly.com/2016-06-20/news/73881409_1_murder-suicide-medical-examiner-john-sheridan
1491401;1467059402;asciilifeform;'Instead of a murder-suicide carried out by John Sheridan, as the prosecutor concluded, Baden found that the CEO of Cooper Health System and his wife, a retired teacher, more likely were preyed upon by a man who killed them and then set a fire to destroy the evidence.'
1491402;1467059415;asciilifeform;what did 'cooper health system' sell ?
1491403;1467059491;phf;asciilifeform: last industries closed in fishtown in 88 or so, or right around the financial market crash
1491404;1467059512;phf;the whole Robocop, japanese are taking over american industry and economy time
1491405;1467059629;asciilifeform;the beginning of the end of the last happytime aha.
1491406;1467059681;BingoBoingo;phf: Japanese were not in Robocop, but Robocop 3
1491407;1467059945;deedbot;[Qntra] Tim Swanson Misunderstanda Reality Again - http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-swanson-misunderstanda-reality-again/
1491408;1467059951;BingoBoingo;title fxd
1491409;1467060612;phf;asciilifeform: in unrelated news check out this hack job http://web.mit.edu/6.933/www/Symbolics.pdf
1491410;1467060640;asciilifeform;phf: ancient
1491411;1467060652;asciilifeform;$s failure of heterogeneous engineering
1491412;1467060653;a111;2 results for "failure of heterogeneous engineering", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=failure%20of%20heterogeneous%20engineering
1491413;1467060669;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1373898
1491414;1467060669;a111;Logged on 2016-01-17 02:25 asciilifeform: right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?)
1491415;1467060676;asciilifeform;and possibly other threads that aren't found by search box
1491416;1467060753;phf;i skimmed it and realized just how badly researched, but ideologically framed it is
1491417;1467060897;asciilifeform;imho there was no possible way for smbx to survive the end of reagan presidency by very long.
1491418;1467060950;mircea_popescu;shinohai well, kinda what tmsr is for.
1491419;1467060977;asciilifeform;phf: smbx was a creature of megalomaniacal empire, like the su 'Рокот' rocket.
1491420;1467061002;asciilifeform;(whose launcher stood so tall that a man cannot be photographed in the same frame as it and still be visible)
1491421;1467061032;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491398 <<->> http://66.media.tumblr.com/ec60ffcf9c7527607b8db7089e0dea50/tumblr_o2jk96zPKi1u0i0qzo1_400.gif
1491422;1467061032;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 20:29 asciilifeform: from phf's link, commentz: '...it's nice that run down neighborhoods get a face lift, and I love craft beer and good food and coffee as much as the next guy (er, gal)-but what happened to the factories and the people that used to work in them? Their lives were largely destroyed by "free trade" and deindustrialization. We were once a producer society, and we were an economically and culturally healthier countr
1491423;1467061037;asciilifeform;раскат rather
1491424;1467061066;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! is that borat ?!
1491425;1467061074;mircea_popescu;naaa
1491426;1467061153;asciilifeform;but yeah, '50s were great' 'ah? then why did weevils eat them'
1491427;1467061191;mircea_popescu;because the people of the 50s "wanted their kids to live a better life"
1491428;1467061195;mircea_popescu;stupidest fucking idea ever.
1491429;1467061220;mircea_popescu;but speaking of japanese robocop, http://67.media.tumblr.com/0d5afb925baf894cb47c10c93c8b31d8/tumblr_nkelflLgZA1tgdz6ro1_1280.png
1491430;1467061237;asciilifeform;l0l!!!
1491431;1467061263;asciilifeform;this is best ever.
1491432;1467061315;*;asciilifeform takes off hat.
1491433;1467061317;phf;well, that's an opinion. a proper exploration of this subject would answer questions like what was revenue sources, what were the expenses, and then go backwards from there, figuring out where and how those were compromised or failed to correct. smbx burned through something like 10mil 80s cash in 2 years. and they burned through them by being locked into real estate, that lost value post crash. so can explore how the internal culture contributed 
1491434;1467061317;phf;to bubbling debt, etc. not saying that either of us could do it in a few sentences, but that's what i would expect from proper paper on the subject. real estate is not even mentioned in the above hack job
1491435;1467061371;asciilifeform;phf: that the market consisted ~100% of usg, and that it stopped buying, and the commitments smbx was locked into spending-wise remained, and bankrupted it - is not mega-seekrit.
1491436;1467061468;phf;asciilifeform: not at all 100% usg, that's why there was the west coast symbolics media lab, also government didn't stop buying, the contracts were bringing revenue well into the endof90s (i mean still do, but now it's life support peanuts)
1491437;1467061485;asciilifeform;it was peanuts in '90s also.
1491438;1467061493;asciilifeform;there were no massive rollouts.
1491439;1467061504;asciilifeform;afaik amex was the ONLY major 100% non-usgtronic customer.
1491440;1467061534;asciilifeform;media lab == usg.
1491441;1467061543;phf;(hollywood)
1491442;1467061558;asciilifeform;ah 'framethrower'
1491443;1467061563;asciilifeform;sgi swallowed that market.
1491444;1467061568;asciilifeform;(then promptly died)
1491445;1467061600;asciilifeform;iirc google lives in the old sgi campus.
1491446;1467061606;phf;fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it"
1491447;1467061662;asciilifeform;you don't need courage to kick a dead lion.
1491448;1467061667;phf;^
1491449;1467061743;shinohai;Speaking of lisp, asciilifeform has officially made me a shiva believer.
1491450;1467061749;asciilifeform;waiwat
1491451;1467061751;shinohai;I love this :D
1491452;1467061762;phf;asciilifeform: you brought this on yourself :D
1491453;1467061789;asciilifeform;the hindu god ?!
1491454;1467061804;*;asciilifeform cannot offer advice on placating shiva, you must call experts
1491455;1467061813;shinohai;No, shiva the trb addition. >.>
1491456;1467061818;shinohai;KALI MA!
1491457;1467061825;asciilifeform;iirc it dun do anything interesting yet.
1491458;1467061862;asciilifeform;and various folks ( mircea_popescu ? ) pointed out that it is 2000 ln of unaudited crud, that ought not be used in battlefield
1491459;1467061873;asciilifeform;then again it is 1) unaudited crud that predates bitcoin
1491460;1467061884;asciilifeform;2) never touches input from outside world if properly operated.
1491461;1467061896;shinohai;No but I see the benefits of having rpc commands use it, as I would love to see those commands separated from daemon
1491462;1467061911;asciilifeform;3) is theoretically r4rs compliant and can be reimplemented without rewriting payload code or replaces with another r4rs-compliant scheme at some future point.
1491463;1467061948;asciilifeform;*replaced
1491464;1467061977;asciilifeform;brief overview: i had it lying around because was trying to make a mempool debugger at one time.
1491465;1467061982;phf;i drove past a mother kali temple somewhere in laurel, md yesterday
1491466;1467061989;asciilifeform;cleaned up, released (as pedigree chain from original tinyscheme)
1491467;1467062003;asciilifeform;then somebody ( mircea_popescu ? ) suggested that it could be used to replace the idiot json rpc.
1491468;1467062006;asciilifeform;then nothing happened.
1491469;1467062009;asciilifeform;we are here <---
1491470;1467062029;asciilifeform;phf: lel! was it full of Thugs?
1491471;1467062145;phf;they had a different spelling of it (i vaguely suspect on account of indiana jones movie), "kala, divine mother temple" it took me a while to get it
1491472;1467062178;phf;http://kalitemplewashington.org
1491473;1467062261;shinohai;But I liked the temple of doom. I could get behind religions like that.
1491474;1467062298;BingoBoingo;Buy Baltimore ruin and make temple!
1491475;1467062354;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Baltimore-MD/3523_rid/0-25000_price/0-88_mp/pricea_sort/39.313,-76.570641,39.273593,-76.593129_rect/15_zm/0_mmm << i have nfi whether scamz, etc.
1491476;1467062424;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well part scam sometimes because derps will want "back property tax"
1491477;1467062427;phf;asciilifeform: girl says "nooo"
1491478;1467062436;asciilifeform;noo what
1491479;1467062469;phf;north of patterson park is likely to be exactly that cheap because you definitely don't want to go there
1491480;1467062544;BingoBoingo;phf: Why not?
1491481;1467062583;*;asciilifeform is simply REALLY TIRED of paying rent.
1491482;1467062585;phf;baltimore st actually stays rough pretty much all the way downtown (which is club area), but it's ok to walk after dark around E/W switch
1491483;1467062635;asciilifeform;it does appear that you can't get fiber in most of these. which is the real deal-killer for me.
1491484;1467062754;phf;BingoBoingo: it's one of those the wire style areas
1491485;1467062761;BingoBoingo;ah
1491486;1467062785;mircea_popescu;so the actually very competent ron havana club anejo 7yo has been reviewed by the producer, who decided it has flavours of vanilla, chocolate, cocoa, dried fruits and "spices".
1491487;1467062793;mircea_popescu;they apparently forgot AND EVERYTHING NICE!!1
1491488;1467062845;mircea_popescu;anyway, usage suggestion : fill whiskey glass with good raisins, add rum to the top, leave for an hour. then take the raisins for apple pie, drink the remainder while chatting on irc.
1491489;1467062872;BingoBoingo;$b 3
1491490;1467062890;BingoBoingo;$s $b
1491491;1467062890;a111;33 results for "$b", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=$b
1491492;1467062905;mircea_popescu;phf real estate is the traditional siren song that sinks a certain type of empire builder head.
1491493;1467062987;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491436 << i think there's some merit to this view. usg wasn't nearly as important as asciilifeform thinks it even in the 80s.
1491494;1467062987;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 21:04 phf: asciilifeform: not at all 100% usg, that's why there was the west coast symbolics media lab, also government didn't stop buying, the contracts were bringing revenue well into the endof90s (i mean still do, but now it's life support peanuts)
1491495;1467063012;mircea_popescu;better managed symbolics could have done much better than it ended up doing.
1491496;1467063039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was important ~for symbolics~
1491497;1467063059;mircea_popescu;by (poor) choice rather than by lack of choice.
1491498;1467063067;asciilifeform;pretty much everybody else bought the cheaper suns when they became available. and ran cruddy sun lisps on'em, etc.
1491499;1467063076;mircea_popescu;~
1491500;1467063086;asciilifeform;it is not clear that smbx would be famous and interesting today if they had transformed themselves into a sun earlier.
1491501;1467063098;asciilifeform;(and lived)
1491502;1467063131;phf;they did transform themselves into sun, ivory machines and macivory boards specifically
1491503;1467063146;jurov;asciilifeform: wiring the all the rest of C code to shiva would have to be redone if replacing with some other cheme, no?
1491504;1467063148;asciilifeform;too little / too late
1491505;1467063158;asciilifeform;jurov: not really
1491506;1467063170;phf;well, too late precisely because obligations
1491507;1467063173;asciilifeform;plus how much of it is there - a dozen lines ?
1491508;1467063190;asciilifeform;basic idea of 'this lisp func calls this here c func' is same regardless
1491509;1467063204;asciilifeform;you could prolly replace it with, e.g., SIOD, without breaking a sweat
1491510;1467063210;asciilifeform;(or your own scheme)
1491511;1467063214;jurov;currently, dozen lines. but target is to have much more functions accessible, no?
1491512;1467063255;jurov;*many more
1491513;1467063258;asciilifeform;yes but the glue is the only part that might vary.
1491514;1467063366;jurov;i am willing to bet the glue will be bigger than the tinyscheme itself
1491515;1467063376;asciilifeform;for fucks sake
1491516;1467063378;asciilifeform;it isn't
1491517;1467063379;asciilifeform;go, read.
1491518;1467063397;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491446 << there doubtlessly is a large helping of that. bad management by engineers who imagined they can manage for reasons unknown. http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/ rather applies.
1491519;1467063397;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 21:06 phf: fwiw we're saying same thing, but a paper doesn't need to reveal some major secrets to be worthwhile, ~this~ particular paper takes a tired and ideologically aligned "it's them eggheads and their lisp that did it"
1491520;1467063411;asciilifeform;(or if you're thinking of theoretically complete replacement for the rpc - it wouldn't have to be re-written, with correct dozen lines of glue)
1491521;1467063428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: noftsker wasn't really an engineer
1491522;1467063436;asciilifeform;(stallman hated him for it, even)
1491523;1467063499;mircea_popescu;https://fat.gfycat.com/UnequaledSeveralIndianelephant.webm << POA or w/e it's called
1491524;1467063541;asciilifeform;wat
1491525;1467063571;mircea_popescu;you know, the really cool alpha dudes
1491526;1467063623;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491481 << o wow, gonna start your street tough career ?
1491527;1467063623;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 21:23 asciilifeform is simply REALLY TIRED of paying rent.
1491528;1467063636;asciilifeform;if i can get fiber there!11111
1491529;1467063789;mircea_popescu;ak-fiber
1491530;1467063842;asciilifeform;fiberlessness is actually pestilential even in 'rich' baltimore.
1491531;1467063864;asciilifeform;(for complicated political reasons local telco monopoly didn't rollout)
1491532;1467063869;mircea_popescu;impotence is the mother of chemistry or how did that adage go ?
1491533;1467063884;asciilifeform;l0l
1491534;1467063891;mircea_popescu;go to fiberless ghetto, build your own point to point network
1491535;1467063898;asciilifeform;with whom ?
1491536;1467063900;asciilifeform;the monkeys ?
1491537;1467063909;mircea_popescu;i dunno, drones.
1491538;1467063913;asciilifeform;go to north pole, build network with polar bears.
1491539;1467063917;asciilifeform;better ROI.
1491540;1467063921;mircea_popescu;but sure, give out free iuds with wifi.
1491541;1467063946;phf;microwave towers
1491542;1467063969;phf;pay locals to defend them with AKs :>
1491543;1467063982;mircea_popescu;lol
1491544;1467063992;mircea_popescu;mad maxcii lifeform
1491545;1467064018;phf;periodically no internet because one of towers got overrun, $1k worth of equipment stollen, defenders all shot up
1491546;1467064030;mircea_popescu;redundancy! sqrt n / 2
1491547;1467064034;phf;have to grab own ak go reclaim tower: exercise
1491548;1467064045;asciilifeform;'lose the other army! or lose yourself!11111'
1491549;1467064052;mircea_popescu;eh, nah. usg only has strike units. give it 18 hours, can reclaim passively.
1491550;1467064093;*;asciilifeform actually wrote to some of the sellers...
1491551;1467064116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're going to go into real estate biz ?
1491552;1467064122;asciilifeform;nah
1491553;1467064125;asciilifeform;what made you think this.
1491554;1467064130;mircea_popescu;to quote the immortal foca, "boooo... o sa iasa un dezastru."
1491555;1467064134;mircea_popescu;well.. sellers of what ?
1491556;1467064151;asciilifeform;sellers of derelicts that are a few $k of new carpet away from habitability.
1491557;1467064185;mircea_popescu;looky : if you own real estate you're in the real estate biz. just like if you're married, you're in the pimp biz. you may suck at it something fierce, but that dun matter.
1491558;1467064206;mircea_popescu;there isn't a "special" situation where you're a pimp but that's ok because you're not really a pimp.
1491559;1467064217;asciilifeform;ok in that sense yes
1491560;1467064230;asciilifeform;and if i buy a car i am in car biz ?
1491561;1467064242;asciilifeform;a new pocket knife - in cutlery biz ?
1491562;1467064248;thestringpuller;how is marriage the pimp biz?
1491563;1467064278;mircea_popescu;got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ?
1491564;1467064282;mircea_popescu;how NOT
1491565;1467064365;phf;probably a controversial point because never interacted with those other pimps
1491566;1467064442;mircea_popescu;yeah well, ignorance of the law is no defense.
1491567;1467064521;phf;the one that i knew wasn't really running it movie back of hand style (or i guess it wasn't like this special thing, "where's my money bitch"). money brought was income and "he takes care of me" etc
1491568;1467064547;mircea_popescu;it's a domestic arrangement, what.
1491569;1467064548;phf;in fact it took me a while to grok what's going on
1491570;1467064565;mircea_popescu;really, in some cultures it's the default domestic arrangement.
1491571;1467064646;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you buy a car you are in the car biz, yes. which is why car salesmen rape you so badly.
1491572;1467064678;asciilifeform;i thought 'in biz' were, roughly, if you intended to make money reselling
1491573;1467064686;mircea_popescu;your intention don'[t matter jack shit.
1491574;1467064690;asciilifeform;or - if i buy icecream - i am in icecream biz ?
1491575;1467064695;mircea_popescu;what, and you're in the army if you intend to kill people ?
1491576;1467064713;asciilifeform;i cross the road, i am in paving biz ?
1491577;1467064730;asciilifeform;this is a defensible pov but not quite what anybody expects.
1491578;1467064741;mircea_popescu;what anybody expects also dun enter into it.
1491579;1467064756;mircea_popescu;yes, sanity is very intolerant of consumerism ethos and "division of labour" understood without any understanding.
1491580;1467064759;asciilifeform;then yes
1491581;1467064771;asciilifeform;but it smacks of 'elephant is simply a very heavy type of fly'
1491582;1467064791;mircea_popescu;only because you're addicted to the consumerist mindset.
1491583;1467064803;mircea_popescu;there is no "elephant" as a categorically different item
1491584;1467064810;mircea_popescu;wasp is a very heavy type of gnat.
1491585;1467064952;asciilifeform;http://photos2.zillowstatic.com/p_f/ISdov0lm5hhpd71000000000.jpg << holy fuq
1491586;1467064961;asciilifeform;HOW ^
1491587;1467064979;mircea_popescu;what ?
1491588;1467064983;asciilifeform;that sink
1491589;1467064998;trinque;somebody probably kicked it
1491590;1467065010;asciilifeform;plausible.
1491591;1467065023;mircea_popescu;just crappy pressboard what
1491592;1467065186;BingoBoingo;Typical "remain" voter https://i.sli.mg/UQarGZ.png
1491593;1467065212;mircea_popescu;lol uk industry is finally exporting some primo butthurt huh
1491594;1467065232;BingoBoingo;4 srs
1491595;1467065247;BingoBoingo;And now Italeave starts
1491596;1467065256;asciilifeform;lol i got call back..
1491597;1467065267;BingoBoingo;Oh
1491598;1467065303;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo obese fuck "who's always been" never in his life felt so "ashamed" as when the life support got a little threatened ?
1491599;1467065313;mircea_popescu;what happened to being ashamed for being a fat fuck ffs.
1491600;1467065322;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491563 << ah, i thought pimping mean putting said woman to work
1491601;1467065322;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 21:51 mircea_popescu: got a woman in the house ? she can run with your monyz ?
1491602;1467065332;BingoBoingo;Who knows? Anyways I think it identified as femayo
1491603;1467065336;thestringpuller;but i guess you gotta do that too
1491604;1467065346;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller whether you tolerate the whores working a lot or a little dun enter into this tho.
1491605;1467065374;mircea_popescu;god damned. let's ban avoid so that we can then do the same inept join part bullshit.
1491606;1467065399;phf;Typical "remain" voter https://i.sli.mg/UQarGZ.png << this gotta be a joke
1491607;1467065472;asciilifeform;'lego is hard for fat children to play with' << tr0l0l0l
1491608;1467065477;asciilifeform;forfuxxsake
1491609;1467065493;asciilifeform;or wat, you will tell me this EXISTS ??
1491610;1467065556;*;asciilifeform will be touring baltimoralalabad and kandamore in the flesh
1491611;1467065627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what are the remoras even DOING here
1491612;1467065631;asciilifeform;i always wondered.
1491613;1467065637;phf;righton
1491614;1467065650;mircea_popescu;who where ?
1491615;1467065665;asciilifeform;pablo___ et al.
1491616;1467065669;shinohai;So it is the fault of the leavers this probablr hamplanet can't get 4,000 calories a day BingoBoingo ?
1491617;1467065676;mircea_popescu;heard there's a party ?
1491618;1467065695;asciilifeform;'hi i heard there is a party, let me stand in the corner and snort the alcohol fume plox'
1491619;1467065704;mircea_popescu;there's this deeply ingrained expectation of "participating" without participation.
1491620;1467065709;asciilifeform;i dun get it.
1491621;1467065714;mircea_popescu;like - school, government, commerce, politics, footbal - you name it.
1491622;1467065717;mircea_popescu;jwzism
1491623;1467065733;trinque;http://www.vice.com/read/actual-cuckolds-are-pissed-off-at-the-far-right-using-cuck-as-an-insult << teh infinilulz
1491624;1467065745;trinque;"Behind every good woman is a devoted cuck."
1491625;1467065763;mircea_popescu;trinque wait, they got linguistically cuckolded by their own patronym, fucking around with right wingers without their approval ?
1491626;1467065772;mircea_popescu;the cuckocalypse!
1491627;1467065803;trinque;ahahaha
1491628;1467065809;BingoBoingo;shinohai: apparently
1491629;1467065829;mircea_popescu;buyt anyway - i approve. cuck SHOULD mean libertard.
1491630;1467065834;mircea_popescu;shorter word, more descriptive.
1491631;1467065851;asciilifeform;we came from the cucks, who came from the trucks...
1491632;1467065863;mircea_popescu;lol
1491633;1467065920;mircea_popescu;ahahaha "alpha cucks out there".
1491634;1467065937;mircea_popescu;bullshit. if anyone knows what shit means "in the scene" it'd be me, and yes cuck means inferior.
1491635;1467065956;mircea_popescu;conventionally, not ALWAYS to be treated as inferior, but that's more a flavour thing than anything else.
1491636;1467065968;asciilifeform;wtf is an alpha cuck !!
1491637;1467065983;mircea_popescu;libertardism. "lalala i can't hear you and words are salad ingredients"
1491638;1467065983;phf;best pidor among the girls
1491639;1467066020;asciilifeform;l0l: the sp4mz0rz pushing the derelict houses called me back and offered to consolidate the tour, they actually thought i wanted to buy ~all~ of them..
1491640;1467066030;mircea_popescu;it is a sensible assumption.
1491641;1467066034;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would you do it otherwise.
1491642;1467066046;phf;you know, when there's a new опущенный alpha cuck is the one who shows him the ropes
1491643;1467066058;asciilifeform;head pidor by the latrine
1491644;1467066060;mircea_popescu;this is what alpha bitch means in the brothel.
1491645;1467066107;phf;"how many blocks would are you interested in purchasing?"
1491646;1467066173;mircea_popescu;this bizarro libertard thing where "not using words in the way we'd prefer them used" = "not using words right"
1491647;1467066181;mircea_popescu;wtf else, putin doesn't understand how the world works ?
1491648;1467066185;asciilifeform;i am interested in subj mainly as an experimental test of some of my assumptions
1491649;1467066198;asciilifeform;(the derelicts, not the cuckolds)
1491650;1467066213;BingoBoingo;Carry on the experiment, become 31337 slumlord!
1491651;1467066226;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1491652;1467066227;BingoBoingo;Play Sid Meyer's civilization IRL!
1491653;1467066237;asciilifeform;i figure, 'war is interested in you' and will come here eventually
1491654;1467066241;mircea_popescu;then when i finally visit the collapsed empire, i have where to guest stay.
1491655;1467066242;asciilifeform;so may as well go to it on own schedule.
1491656;1467066253;*;mircea_popescu always preferred living with pimps over dope dealers, thugs and etc.
1491657;1467066330;mircea_popescu;who could ever have predicted alf is SO DEDICATED to his new country, he'll build jamestown on the misipipi before leaving.
1491658;1467066343;asciilifeform;lelz
1491659;1467066348;asciilifeform;prolly not
1491660;1467066358;asciilifeform;merely gedankenexperiment currently.
1491661;1467066369;BingoBoingo;When does alf get Mosin for pet?
1491662;1467066372;asciilifeform;not sure if i got enough gold dubloons
1491663;1467066388;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: fully covered in this dept.
1491664;1467066389;mircea_popescu;yeah what's the girl say about all this ? itching to alpha bitch ?
1491665;1467066399;asciilifeform;girl smells the moneyz.
1491666;1467066431;BingoBoingo;Every pet a rifleman!
1491667;1467066439;mircea_popescu;win
1491668;1467066443;asciilifeform;riflefman.
1491669;1467066493;asciilifeform;as i said, this is kinda like that time i wanted to launch a satellite.
1491670;1467066513;asciilifeform;or fly a suitcase to buenos aires on own propellant.
1491671;1467066516;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it's not. tens of thousands of sub-parity IQ dudes do this on a regular basis.
1491672;1467066516;BingoBoingo;Except this you can do
1491673;1467066533;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: enculturated folk.
1491674;1467066534;phf;can just imagine asciilifeform going through an "apocalypse now" transformation. "where you from, willard?"
1491675;1467066545;asciilifeform;'smell of napalm' !
1491676;1467066546;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform culture's a lie.
1491677;1467066566;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs.
1491678;1467066573;asciilifeform;this has permanent effects.
1491679;1467066580;mircea_popescu;so did most respectable people. think about it for a second.
1491680;1467066597;asciilifeform;not mircea_popescu !
1491681;1467066607;asciilifeform;he strangled the 2 snakes they put in his crib etc.
1491682;1467066631;mircea_popescu;carmine persico ruled the colombos for 40 years, of which 36 in jail.
1491683;1467066645;asciilifeform;it matters ~which~ 20y
1491684;1467066658;asciilifeform;if yer first 20 - different affair than last 20
1491685;1467066661;mircea_popescu;doubtful anything matters in any serious sense.
1491686;1467066697;asciilifeform;where does mircea_popescu think we get homo redditicus ?
1491687;1467066702;asciilifeform;holy shit
1491688;1467066720;asciilifeform;$up pabl0
1491689;1467066721;deedbot;pabl0 voiced for 30 minutes.
1491690;1467066723;asciilifeform;pabl0: speak
1491691;1467066734;mircea_popescu;lmao
1491692;1467066785;asciilifeform;reminds me, i gotta change the uv lamp in bugzapper.
1491693;1467066936;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Don't forget to change the bait or you'll zap everything but mosquitos!
1491694;1467067241;mircea_popescu;and in other interior decorating tricks and tips, http://66.media.tumblr.com/fd46f28c89435fe3f09fdc215e8698f4/tumblr_o2dbxxfVvY1uycyh2o1_1280.jpg
1491695;1467070852;mircea_popescu;sooo, ethereum "soft fork" due to go in, about 60 hours left. i hope everyone's ready for the lulzpocalypse
1491696;1467071024;*;shinohai puts popcorn on his shopping list.
1491697;1467071073;mircea_popescu;(one of the lulziest parts - they made their criteria be < cost. in non-scamcoin-head terms, this is not unlike making a soft fork dependent on mempool being < x.)
1491698;1467071170;mircea_popescu;ethereum being "smart", it's not just mempool, but also cpupool. and the "soft fork" being essentially a "enumerate badness" attempt, you still gotta check and make sure tx isn't on the verboten list. which computation you do for free, because you believe in mit, socialism and buterin.
1491699;1467071215;mircea_popescu;cold equations be damn' cold.
1491700;1467072015;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which is why imho you oughta have made the 'bad' addr list a few GB.
1491701;1467072022;asciilifeform;not a few hundred bytes.
1491702;1467072704;mircea_popescu;hm ? which ?
1491703;1467072714;asciilifeform;the list of verboten eth addrs
1491704;1467072730;asciilifeform;or hm iirc there was some timelock thing
1491705;1467072733;mircea_popescu;but then the problem'd have been obvious ?
1491706;1467072770;asciilifeform;which
1491707;1467072778;mircea_popescu;the above discussed
1491708;1467072795;asciilifeform;not really problem if each node only has to verify tx against list of length 1
1491709;1467072800;mircea_popescu;they wouldn't have discoverd it exists week-and-a-half after "having a solution" and buolding consensus etc
1491710;1467072809;mircea_popescu;mmm. if only.
1491711;1467072843;asciilifeform;what am i missing
1491712;1467072897;mircea_popescu;tx can be pretty cpu intensive.
1491713;1467072927;asciilifeform;yeah but how much more cpu intensive can ONE verboten-addr make it
1491714;1467072933;mircea_popescu;hugely so.
1491715;1467072940;mircea_popescu;all you need is one
1491716;1467072942;*;mircea_popescu sings
1491717;1467072956;asciilifeform;isn't it a constant-time op ?
1491718;1467072968;mircea_popescu;nope.
1491719;1467073002;mircea_popescu;i don't think you fully appreciate just how braindamaged this "laughing gas of the future" actually is.
1491720;1467073023;asciilifeform;in bitcoin, it would be: if (addr == eviladdr) return fuckyou
1491721;1467073029;asciilifeform;approximately.
1491722;1467073545;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/68bd5d9a-3dac-49f6-9c36-d2a98a459a65/?raw=true << moar miscellaneous lulz
1491723;1467073582;asciilifeform;^ yes it's ~that~ dingleberry
1491724;1467073653;mircea_popescu;" Things are probably going to get worse before they get better." << ahahahaha.
1491725;1467073660;asciilifeform;'It's tempting to wonder if there's some cointelpro-style attack going on. Realistically, we likely do have the attention of governments who are well-funded to attack us. But first, this really doesn't look like a cointelpro op. The complaints come from people both inside and outside the Tor community, and I know some of them. And second, in this case it really doesn't matter. It's no excuse for not taking responsibility for our acti
1491726;1467073660;asciilifeform;ons. Tor, and our broader freedom movement, are about communities, and about how we want to interact with each other. Let's handle this situation as an example of how we want to do it right.'
1491727;1467073664;mircea_popescu;"we won't bury the corpse until nsa provides a new trough"
1491728;1467073664;asciilifeform;^ gold
1491729;1467073680;mircea_popescu;fucking derps.
1491730;1467073701;mircea_popescu;usg agent wondering if the actual people fighting the usg are a "cointelpro style" "attack" ?
1491731;1467073709;mircea_popescu;fuck these idiots with hot pokers already omfg.
1491732;1467073722;mircea_popescu;Framedragger is this one of those guys you're friends with, then ?
1491733;1467073723;asciilifeform;insurgency theatre.
1491734;1467073773;asciilifeform;btw ~every american outfit bigger than a hot dog stand has an in-house 'shari'.
1491735;1467073782;asciilifeform;(politruk)
1491736;1467073799;mircea_popescu;i know, they constantly try to wander in here also.
1491737;1467073809;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1491738;1467073853;mircea_popescu;anyway, this paste is a point-by-point example of sinful, evil behaviour.
1491739;1467073869;mircea_popescu;there is nothing dingledine can ever do that can redeem him, because the manner in which he thinks is beyond salvation.
1491740;1467073878;mircea_popescu;he must be killed, publicly, and the carcass left to rot where it fell.
1491741;1467074474;phf;ikea sells chairs and chair covers for those chairs. can buy covers in uk, etc. but not in u.s. fancy that
1491742;1467077261;BingoBoingo;Milestones in pipe wrench ownership #2: When loosening a slip fitting the pipe decides to tear instead
1491743;1467077326;BingoBoingo;#1 was boring, involved successfully removing burst frost free sillcock
1491744;1467077639;mod6;where did June go?
1491745;1467077645;mod6;sheesh
1491746;1467078434;BingoBoingo;June isn't over until it is over
1491747;1467078667;mod6;well. lol, it's almost over.
1491748;1467078676;mod6;time for me to work on the SoBA already!
1491749;1467078968;mircea_popescu;where did all teh junes go... loong time passing...
1491750;1467079174;mod6;indeed
1491751;1467079573;mircea_popescu;phf it's probably the "fire retardant" retardation
1491752;1467082170;BingoBoingo;Prolly US flame retardant vs EU carcinogen regulations
1491753;1467082602;mod6;trinqueis there a way to update this URL so it doesn't contain spaces? i.e.: http://wiki.deedbot.org/The%20Real%20Bitcoin
1491754;1467082626;mod6;or shinohai ^ ?
1491755;1467082717;mircea_popescu;yeah use underscores or something
1491756;1467082755;mod6;damnit. the spacebar on this thing is getting toast.
1491757;1467082773;mod6;trinque ^ up a few lines :]
1491758;1467084226;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491739 << same dingledine as officially represents nsa in tor
1491759;1467084226;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 00:31 mircea_popescu: there is nothing dingledine can ever do that can redeem him, because the manner in which he thinks is beyond salvation.
1491760;1467084247;asciilifeform;$s dingledine
1491761;1467084248;a111;7 results for "dingledine", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dingledine
1491762;1467084744;mod6;<+asciilifeform> (though almost any imaginable mistake would result in MORE-phuctorable mods, vs less) << yeah this seems odd.
1491763;1467084751;asciilifeform;doesn't it.
1491764;1467084823;mod6;mircea_popescu: btw, did you want me to change tb0t to use '!' instead of '%'?
1491765;1467084826;trinque;http://www.nsf.gov/cise/cns/watch/images/dingledine.jpg << he looks catholic
1491766;1467084829;trinque;like the child-fucking kind
1491767;1467084844;asciilifeform;l0l!
1491768;1467084856;mod6;he has a van that says 'free candy'
1491769;1467084886;asciilifeform;mod6: this is not even wholly improbable. recall the selection criteria for dingledinity
1491770;1467084891;asciilifeform;(e.g., brock pierce)
1491771;1467084961;mod6;ya
1491772;1467085055;trinque;mod6: wiki is the code that runs cliki.net
1491773;1467085092;trinque;it uses the page title verbatim in the URL
1491774;1467085126;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs. << you can come live in my basement if you're tired of paying rent. i've even got a garden. :]
1491775;1467085137;trinque;sometime I could hack another field onto it; I'm not certain I like the thing (or wikis)
1491776;1467085153;asciilifeform;mod6: i need 4 walls.
1491777;1467085159;asciilifeform;whole box.
1491778;1467085160;trinque;they're really a response to "tards can't into html"
1491779;1467085165;trinque;but we must include them
1491780;1467085168;mod6;its got 4 walls!
1491781;1467085174;trinque;cancerous fagtech
1491782;1467085177;mod6;you think i live in a teepee?
1491783;1467085186;asciilifeform;i mean 4 walls not shared with anybody.
1491784;1467085194;mod6;ahh lol fair enough.
1491785;1467085221;mod6;offer stands if you ever get sick of the the 202
1491786;1467085241;asciilifeform;lolk
1491787;1467085298;mod6;<+trinque> it uses the page title verbatim in the URL << ok i think I can just have shinohai change the page title then, thx!
1491788;1467085314;mod6; <+trinque> sometime I could hack another field onto it; I'm not certain I like the thing (or wikis) << I don't love wikis either, but we need a place for quick docs.
1491789;1467085320;mod6;so it works for the time being.
1491790;1467085429;asciilifeform;mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit
1491791;1467085476;asciilifeform;trinque, mod6, et al: wikis work when folks actually bother editing..
1491792;1467085500;trinque;I don't see how it's better than html shat in a folder somewhere
1491793;1467085516;asciilifeform;how to edit ? folks get shell on the box ?
1491794;1467085586;trinque;if they are in my wot, sure
1491795;1467085606;asciilifeform;neato
1491796;1467085671;phf;i have that cockli box by the way. i'm probably going to spin up an instance on it, but if anybody wants to attempt that task, feel free to take over
1491797;1467085752;phf;(trb instance)
1491798;1467086248;mircea_popescu;mod6 leave it for now, i'll bitch when
1491799;1467086304;mircea_popescu;trinque tbh, i think wikis are a (braindamaged, dysfunctional, uncomprehending) response to the html-is-broken / transclusion issue discussed yest and etc.
1491800;1467086315;mod6;<+asciilifeform> mod6: that thread wasn't even about living conditions, but about being a hermit << saw that. figured, "hey, i've got a crypt he can live in if he wants..."
1491801;1467086326;mircea_popescu;there's a serious problem with digital handling of text, as we have it atm.
1491802;1467086328;mod6;mircea_popescu: ok just holler.
1491803;1467086361;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta what the first article on my blog was about.
1491804;1467086370;mod6;phf: cockli?
1491805;1467086398;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was where i started - text. and from that ended up in 'computing is braindamaged beyond repair'
1491806;1467086411;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's vaguely inhuman, this. the scholar in me is constantly opressed by various shits. 1. "oh we don;t alphabet - pdf" 2. "oh you can't reference text snippet" 3. "oh we forget, what was this ? linkrot ?" and i think there's more
1491807;1467086416;mircea_popescu;none of this is acceptable, intellectually.
1491808;1467086441;mircea_popescu;incidentally why the fuck is the web not native latex.
1491809;1467086455;mircea_popescu;seriously, this is allowed, "graphics" that aren't svg and text that's not tex ?!
1491810;1467086456;asciilifeform;latex doesn't survive ill-forming any better than html.
1491811;1467086478;mircea_popescu;hardly an argument
1491812;1467086504;phf;mod6: there was a hosting provider guy behind the domain cock.li, was interviewed by mp, was selling a vps box access
1491813;1467086509;asciilifeform;likewise i have a TB+ of scans here. these can exist as bitmap and naught else.
1491814;1467086526;mod6;phf: ah oh yeah.
1491815;1467086530;asciilifeform;(fancy bitmap, with wavelet compression, but certainly not vector graphic)
1491816;1467086540;mircea_popescu;scans as bitmaps are ~in the situation of wine as stum.
1491817;1467086551;asciilifeform;as what?
1491818;1467086562;mircea_popescu;stum. the sweet juice of grapes.
1491819;1467086586;asciilifeform;ain't nobody gonna ocr TB of ru diagrammed b00kz.
1491820;1467086601;asciilifeform;(ocr, contrary to what you've been misinformed, doesn't actually work)
1491821;1467086603;mircea_popescu;that's another thing, must have MUCH BETTER ocr.
1491822;1467086612;mircea_popescu;google has the patience to fuck with go, hasn't the patience to fix ocr ?
1491823;1467086625;mircea_popescu;ocr is really a good fit for the markov chains as ai they do
1491824;1467086644;asciilifeform;incidentally djvu compressor is 'too good' and makes ocr quite a bit more difficult - it sometimes INTRODUCES typos
1491825;1467086651;asciilifeform;by transforming 'similar' letter into another.
1491826;1467086655;mircea_popescu;tsk
1491827;1467086672;asciilifeform;this is annoying but the 100x mass saving pays off.
1491828;1467086690;mircea_popescu;i had an issue with an ocr that was TOO informed, kept creating single glyph fl and other wonders.
1491829;1467086699;asciilifeform;(thing is per se almost like ocr in terms of sheer bowel-loosening turd-shedding)
1491830;1467086713;asciilifeform;yes! quite like this.
1491831;1467086729;asciilifeform;anyway ocr for mathematics is ~hopeless.
1491832;1467086737;mircea_popescu;more hopeless than ai for go ?
1491833;1467086741;mircea_popescu;i do not think so.
1491834;1467086745;asciilifeform;even for FICTION it is 99.99% accurate which is to say SHIT
1491835;1467086758;asciilifeform;(a turd on every 8th page on avg.)
1491836;1467086774;mircea_popescu;there's really no reason a 100% accuracy over 1mb text ocr can't be had today.
1491837;1467086797;mircea_popescu;self-trained, goes back and fixes typos.
1491838;1467086815;asciilifeform;problem is that 'fix' is not always mechanically evident, even.
1491839;1467086883;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
1491840;1467086904;asciilifeform;think about the kind of persistend turd that one gets with ocr
1491841;1467086915;asciilifeform;e.g., 'modern'-->'modem'
1491842;1467086928;asciilifeform;proggy has nfi that shakespeare didn't mention modems.
1491843;1467086933;mircea_popescu;o, really, it doesn't ?
1491844;1467086935;mircea_popescu;think again.
1491845;1467086949;asciilifeform;if yours does, it is because you tweaked it
1491846;1467086950;mircea_popescu;if proggy has no fucking idea modems don't go with macbeth a) it's not trained and b) everyone involved is fired.
1491847;1467086956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform self-trained.
1491848;1467086960;asciilifeform;self how
1491849;1467086968;mircea_popescu;"hm, i wonder how come these guys keep speaking about modems in non-modem context".
1491850;1467086985;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform self-trained like the markov nonsense works.
1491851;1467086995;asciilifeform;it works except when it doesn't.
1491852;1467086999;mircea_popescu;makes ten trillion parameters, sets them all to 0, then sets more and more to values
1491853;1467087007;mircea_popescu;it works except where people don't bother.
1491854;1467087030;asciilifeform;realize that when you have more than a little meat sweat mixed in, you are no longer discussing a computer program
1491855;1467087038;asciilifeform;but a machine-assisted meat slave.
1491856;1467087055;mircea_popescu;mno.
1491857;1467087060;mircea_popescu;and stop with the romanticisms already.
1491858;1467087074;asciilifeform;no srsly nobody's gonna proofread a TB of ocr.
1491859;1467087082;asciilifeform;there is elementarily not enough qualified meat alive.
1491860;1467087101;mircea_popescu;trained statistical model for ocr, either markov or whatever.
1491861;1467087120;mircea_popescu;same principle as in machine translation, search engines, etc.
1491862;1467087128;asciilifeform;none of which work especially well
1491863;1467087138;mircea_popescu;they work a lot the fuck better than dumb ocr present currently.
1491864;1467087205;asciilifeform;my contention is not that it is physically impossible to improve on extant ocr
1491865;1467087227;asciilifeform;but that no one will improve on it to the point where i can throw out the original TB and be ~certain~ of no irrevocable loss.
1491866;1467087235;asciilifeform;without proofreading.
1491867;1467087236;mircea_popescu;phf incidentally, how interested are you in the unholy art of probabilistic models ? it occurs to me that making a proper ocr would be a most respectable task, but not really for everyone.
1491868;1467087254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you read it once.
1491869;1467087266;mircea_popescu;there's worse fates to library text than being read once.
1491870;1467087279;asciilifeform;doing this correctly is ~same amount of work as manually ocring.
1491871;1467087329;mircea_popescu;no, it isn't.
1491872;1467087346;asciilifeform;i can apparently tell that mircea_popescu has never tried it
1491873;1467087347;mircea_popescu;when you have to correct on average 1 error per book, which is where i expect this can be taken, it's just a breeze.
1491874;1467087363;mircea_popescu;tried what ?
1491875;1467087377;asciilifeform;correcting several MB of ocr text against original.
1491876;1467087392;mircea_popescu;what's this to do with your defense of dumb ocr ?
1491877;1467087401;asciilifeform;l0l defense
1491878;1467087414;asciilifeform;simply that any improvement i expect to see will not be qualitative.
1491879;1467087417;mircea_popescu;there doesn't exist currently any ocr package that uses a proper statistical model, and is self-trained on the text, and on all text.
1491880;1467087424;asciilifeform;(would love to be proven wrong)
1491881;1467087433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1 error per 500 pages or less. how's that.
1491882;1467087434;asciilifeform;.. all text ??
1491883;1467087446;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so long as it isn't in an equation, ever
1491884;1467087448;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. "all text it's ever seen"
1491885;1467087462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform equations, chemical formulas, everything you can note down.
1491886;1467087484;mircea_popescu;i was stuck publishing a pdf in my latest article because fuck me there's no sane ocr ;/
1491887;1467087499;asciilifeform;how do you intent to apply a statistical model to an element which NEVER recurrs ??
1491888;1467087512;asciilifeform;*intend
1491889;1467087517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform all elements recur ; all elements are made of parts which recur.
1491890;1467087523;asciilifeform;parts yes
1491891;1467087551;mircea_popescu;properly made model can learn rules of chemistry from reading chemistry books,
1491892;1467087554;mircea_popescu;will correct your formulas.
1491893;1467087568;asciilifeform;now we have lenat's 'cyc' failed ai.
1491894;1467087574;mircea_popescu;THIS is what competent (not great. competent, patient, insistent) programmers + 20nm process means. that we can have this in a box.
1491895;1467087575;asciilifeform;'learn rules of chemistry' l0l
1491896;1467087578;asciilifeform;wake me up when.
1491897;1467087584;mircea_popescu;that we don't have this in a box is simply because nobody wants to do any work.
1491898;1467087592;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sedol lost.
1491899;1467087593;asciilifeform;and lenat didn't is because he lacked sufficient jolt cola ? or why
1491900;1467087600;mircea_popescu;yes.
1491901;1467087667;asciilifeform;granted this is why i even wanted computer
1491902;1467087678;asciilifeform;but it is waste of time to attempt it prior to having one
1491903;1467087682;asciilifeform;(we don't, of yet.)
1491904;1467087687;mircea_popescu;anyway - this is a correct wiki. a proper notation engine backed by a self-training, probabilistic model of language.
1491905;1467087799;asciilifeform;incidentally it is interesting to recall that at one point ai game player folks were interested in heuristic generators and the like - mechanisms that were ~applicable across domains~
1491906;1467087825;asciilifeform;but none of these worked worth a tinker's damn and not a single chesstron written by actual chess players ever won a serious tourney
1491907;1467087856;asciilifeform;instead what we got was ~extremely~ specialized slightly-refined brute force.
1491908;1467087891;mircea_popescu;this is what's contemplated here exactly.
1491909;1467087907;phf;i believe that was described in the "Sussman attains enlightenment"
1491910;1467087912;mircea_popescu;use the fact that the machine as is, runnign whatever crap it runs, can still do millions of cycles a second, and can store billions and trillions of bytes.
1491911;1467087980;asciilifeform;'here's a REALLY BIG HAMMER. now go whack that mountain until a city comes out'
1491912;1467087981;mircea_popescu;ftr, i wouldn't take cyc for anything other than a fine guide of what not to do.
1491913;1467088064;phf;i like the idea of using hidden markov models on ocr-ed text
1491914;1467088066;asciilifeform;imho cyc is what the schmuck blew rest of his life on after 'eurisko' was confiscated for national seeek00000rity
1491915;1467088115;mircea_popescu;phf there's two (or perhaps three) aspects here. one is, that it should first pass through the entire item (book or w/e), to adjust itself, and then go once more through it, on the basis of that, and then again. similar to how "page rank" works, once the result is stable it thinks it's done.
1491916;1467088121;asciilifeform;it was his 'blackphone'.
1491917;1467088137;mircea_popescu;the other is, that it should keep context of "this text" ; separately context of "everything i ever saw in this language" and yet separately "everything i ever saw".
1491918;1467088166;mircea_popescu;now 2 and 3 are iffy, for instance english-chemistry vs english-genre-fiction and english-trilema may be a more practical split than english vs french.
1491919;1467088192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite so. it's palpably an elephant cemetery. won't do anything ever, because it's done by an ocd clean person.
1491920;1467088199;mircea_popescu;if you've noticed, all valuable engineering comes out of filth.
1491921;1467088216;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's it to test a b00k containing a SINGLE instance of the canonical 'my sister, do you still recall как Ельцин бился мордой в пол ?'
1491922;1467088238;mircea_popescu;phf and the third is that it absolutely should not make any concession to the finite nature of the universe. three billion trillion parameters ? OK!
1491923;1467088254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform english-russian
1491924;1467088272;asciilifeform;i'll sleep a bit while mircea_popescu sets the trillion parameters
1491925;1467088278;asciilifeform;wakemeupplox
1491926;1467088287;mircea_popescu;that's what electronics ARE FOR.
1491927;1467088362;mircea_popescu;anyway. some sort of pcfg.
1491928;1467088372;asciilifeform;now we know that mircea_popescu doesn't need warez - his hdd has a knob that turns whole thing into an adder, and he simply cycles through the states until he gets a disk with the desired 1333333337 w4r3z on it.
1491929;1467088406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's easier for me, i wrote it all anyway!
1491930;1467088511;asciilifeform;http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/create.htm << obligatory.
1491931;1467088674;mircea_popescu;sedol lost.
1491932;1467088693;mircea_popescu;sedol lost to a machine that doesn't even know what beans are.
1491933;1467088701;asciilifeform;taking for a moment the assumption that sedol ~actually~ lost --
1491934;1467088712;asciilifeform;he lost in a game where evaluation function fits in a few lines of c.
1491935;1467088739;mircea_popescu;nobody can look at a go set and give you a position value. nobody.
1491936;1467088752;mircea_popescu;even chess is dubious. go - forget it.
1491937;1467088752;asciilifeform;um
1491938;1467088766;*;asciilifeform bangs head on desk
1491939;1467088786;asciilifeform;yes there is ~no position function when there are 3 stones on the board.
1491940;1467088792;asciilifeform;when 100 - most certainly is.
1491941;1467088805;asciilifeform;bridging the gap is where the monte carlo thing came in.
1491942;1467088818;mircea_popescu;the machine played dead reckoning not some sort of absolute evaluation of the eternal positions
1491943;1467088840;asciilifeform;aha. but reckoning dun work without a position function.
1491944;1467088853;mircea_popescu;deltas, not absolute values.
1491945;1467088870;asciilifeform;in any adult game - same
1491946;1467088871;mircea_popescu;"Dead reckoning dun work without gps". see, this is why cyc fails. this mindset.
1491947;1467088938;asciilifeform;dead reckoning dun work without some notion of where you are going !
1491948;1467088948;asciilifeform;or what 'motion' is.
1491949;1467088974;mircea_popescu;this is a tenuous view, historically.
1491950;1467089004;mircea_popescu;"some notion" carries no water ; definitely early navigation was bereft of either understanding motion or destination.
1491951;1467089020;asciilifeform;and it - largely - didn't work.
1491952;1467089037;asciilifeform;the 'great navigators' navigated by everett's device.
1491953;1467089044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it largely did work, out of thousands of tries a few successes. machine has space for many thousands.
1491954;1467089050;asciilifeform;(we don't remember the names of the dead in the water folk)
1491955;1467089080;mircea_popescu;(#$implies   (#$and        (#$isa ?OBJ ?SUBSET)     (#$genls ?SUBSET ?SUPERSET))   (#$isa ?OBJ ?SUPERSET)) << wouldja look at this inept shit.
1491956;1467089087;asciilifeform;you still need a mechanizable notion of 'succeed'
1491957;1467089092;mircea_popescu;seriously, they're going to put the rules in by hand arbitrarily and expect the machine to do something with that ?
1491958;1467089093;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1491959;1467089098;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no.
1491960;1467089114;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what were you looking at ?
1491961;1467089118;mircea_popescu;you do not. and more improtantly : you need no human anything in there. you wanna succeed in your own terms, go, succeed.
1491962;1467089121;mircea_popescu;machine does its own thing
1491963;1467089124;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cycstupidity.
1491964;1467089127;asciilifeform;ah
1491965;1467089138;asciilifeform;vs eurisko, which actually came up with fresh heuristics.
1491966;1467089143;asciilifeform;and needed ~no hand-holding.
1491967;1467089155;mircea_popescu;distinctly reminescent of 9yo me writing "utility programs" consisting of pre-selected arbitrary aditions and their results.
1491968;1467089165;mircea_popescu;apparently only some people outgrow being 9, and lenat isn't one of them.
1491969;1467089177;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how does this happen to people!
1491970;1467089184;asciilifeform;(who wants to read ? we had whole thread, where i FOIA'd everything lenat ever publicly did on taxpayer dollars, and posted here)
1491971;1467089193;mircea_popescu;i recall this.
1491972;1467089203;asciilifeform;some pretty interesting material in there, actually.
1491973;1467089218;asciilifeform;esp. re 'self-checking' mechanisms.
1491974;1467089226;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-26#845518
1491975;1467089226;a111;Logged on 2014-09-26 01:04 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try: http://loper-os.org/pub/lenat-leaks.tar.gz.torrent
1491976;1467089240;asciilifeform;it was then mirrored by kako and for all i know is still up.
1491977;1467089249;mircea_popescu;yeah, agreed, unlike cyc bs, that is a credible starting point
1491978;1467089249;asciilifeform;prolly needs new home.
1491979;1467089276;asciilifeform;doubly so given how yudkowsky campaigns to have anyone trying this, killed
1491980;1467089317;midnightmagic;not still up :(
1491981;1467089347;mircea_popescu;all the weird shit you care about...
1491982;1467089419;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: one min
1491983;1467089424;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: What? Killed?
1491984;1467089441;midnightmagic;Oh, you mean he goes a little batty.
1491985;1467089511;asciilifeform;http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/lenat-leaks.tar.gz
1491986;1467089514;asciilifeform;^ enjoy
1491987;1467089520;midnightmagic;Much obliged.
1491988;1467089523;mircea_popescu;lol the greatness of machinery.
1491989;1467089533;asciilifeform;43d0f9aeb9e0d1d7a4a89754feb3cfbd487768c16fa3ef986512e91f25fb96f6e1b500e813d8655239e9970cc0b72e32dea6ad95617a8f3ef3ac1761f1be012c
1491990;1467089557;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: Again, thanks. Too few people care about that.. :(
1491991;1467089584;asciilifeform;some of the material appeared elsewhere, but not - afaik - the juicy bits re 'rll'
1491992;1467089600;asciilifeform;the actual implementation language and mechanism
1491993;1467089668;asciilifeform;see MANIFEST.TXT.
1491994;1467089700;mircea_popescu;phf anyway, it's a very reasonable way to waste one's life. it can live on a server(s), connect via chatbot, solicit payment which'll work once trinque gets it added to deedbot... it's an actual biznis.
1491995;1467089967;asciilifeform;why lenat dropped eurisko and burned the rest of his life on idiocy is the $64k question
1491996;1467089978;asciilifeform;in which possibly lie the answers to 1,001 riddles elsewhere.
1491997;1467090075;asciilifeform;(one - not very sexy answer - is that it was a fraud. source was published nowhere, nor anyone other than lenat exposed to it afaik)
1491998;1467090087;asciilifeform;another - nsa confiscation.
1491999;1467090186;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-01#473009 << prev thread
1492000;1467090186;a111;Logged on 2014-02-01 21:28 asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts that lenat did not write eurisko.
1492001;1467090257;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-26#845694 << yet moar
1492002;1467090257;a111;Logged on 2014-09-26 03:11 asciilifeform: there are two versions of the lenat story
1492003;1467090766;mircea_popescu;maybe
1492004;1467090786;mircea_popescu;then again it's rather common for people to do something smart early and then be shockingly stolidly dumb for the rest of their lives.
1492005;1467090847;asciilifeform;not like this.
1492006;1467090852;mircea_popescu;sure.
1492007;1467090862;asciilifeform;he had the next step ready-made.
1492008;1467108100;Framedragger;asciilifeform: re. keys - interesting. i don't think i was mitm'd, 13 machines and all, not that it's not possible or anything, and the machines were on the same provider, so, lol, of course possible in principle. but specific mitm's which give working unique keys? hm. but, interesting, i don't have an answer here.
1492009;1467108109;Framedragger; i'm prolly mostly afk / travelling this week but would be interested to discuss.
1492010;1467108141;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491732 << which nickname was that? :) nvm i guess
1492011;1467108141;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 00:28 mircea_popescu: Framedragger is this one of those guys you're friends with, then ?
1492012;1467108188;Framedragger;asciilifeform: maybe i did fuck up in some very unique way. don't know. oh and the ip addresses are in random order, so there's that
1492013;1467108236;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491238 << i too expected gadgets with shitty rng. any source for that 0.1% figure?
1492014;1467108236;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 17:15 asciilifeform: the historic ~0.1% popping rate of ssh keys has nothing to do with flips, and everything to do with embedded gadgets with no rng
1492015;1467108314;Framedragger;asciilifeform: but have you considered that there are fewer implementations for ssh (and the better part of the ssh servers in the wild run openssh), and more implementations for all kinds of broken pgp? so it may simply be less likely to spot a badly generated ssh key.
1492016;1467108367;Framedragger;asciilifeform: but cross-checking makes sense, say if you do ssh-keyscan for a small randomized sample, nothing bad can come out of it. let me know if you want scriptz
1492017;1467113438;thestringpuller;;;seen mod6
1492018;1467113438;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #trilema 7 hours, 28 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <mod6> phf: ah oh yeah.
1492019;1467113497;thestringpuller;https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground?
1492020;1467114017;jurov;lol i was then prolly mitm'd too.. aside from ~10 cases of obvious corruption (openssh won't even read them) i did not find any key with factor in 10000primes.txt
1492021;1467114293;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ^
1492022;1467114464;jurov;Framedragger, imo we should mix few interesting failures into the data. otherwise we risk getting kicked out from tmsr :D
1492023;1467114717;Framedragger;and maybe make sure some of those ip addresses are in /24's which also house chinese bitcoin miners ;)
1492024;1467114751;jurov;or NSA
1492025;1467114812;Framedragger;or labour union websites but that may just cause a stroke and best to avoid stress induced fatalities
1492026;1467117958;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491796   <<< If this is actual need phf I would have no problem at all maintaining.
1492027;1467117958;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 03:47 phf: i have that cockli box by the way. i'm probably going to spin up an instance on it, but if anybody wants to attempt that task, feel free to take over
1492028;1467118175;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492019   <<< bwahahaha A Riger Verified pool that will cause bigger blocks to be mined since he can't get anyone to do it xD
1492029;1467118175;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 11:31 thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground?
1492030;1467119657;thestringpuller;if it's possible to mine and validate against TRB...
1492031;1467121181;mats;because mining has -ev outcomes for virtually all participants without some kinda competitive advantage
1492032;1467123251;thestringpuller;mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other...
1492033;1467123317;mats;so you've moved the goalpost from 'our pool' to 'bribe miners'
1492034;1467123435;shinohai;We got a Roger Ver in the making here!
1492035;1467123442;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/45c39efb-967b-4c3b-9c6a-b9d2dff8afeb/?raw=true (re the tor thing)
1492036;1467123443;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1492037;1467123617;mats;anyway, i think its premature to assume we need to influence miners one way or the other
1492038;1467123715;mats;as i understand it, the heterogeneity of clients in the wild naturally prefers the status quo
1492039;1467124756;mircea_popescu;so apparently reddit has selected for this large-ish population of chicks that want to post selfies "anonymously". because they're THAt desperate for male attention and THAT incapable of handling male presence.
1492040;1467124767;mircea_popescu;nuts, teh "technology" an' its effects on the herd.
1492041;1467124877;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no patience to read, but by now, "at MIT" is damning.
1492042;1467124949;mircea_popescu;anyway. yes dingledine & other sleepers (reilly, whatever) push for chasteen and whoever the fuck else to "be hired", because that's how their job goes.
1492043;1467125007;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492008 << it seems rather improbable.
1492044;1467125007;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 10:01 Framedragger: asciilifeform: re. keys - interesting. i don't think i was mitm'd, 13 machines and all, not that it's not possible or anything, and the machines were on the same provider, so, lol, of course possible in principle. but specific mitm's which give working unique keys? hm. but, interesting, i don't have an answer here.
1492045;1467125023;thestringpuller;mats: nah. if it's truly believed miners are well enough gripped by the balls, it's not a big deal.
1492046;1467125031;thestringpuller;shinohai: Them is fighting words...
1492047;1467125045;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492015 << i wonder if this is true, even.
1492048;1467125045;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 10:05 Framedragger: asciilifeform: but have you considered that there are fewer implementations for ssh (and the better part of the ssh servers in the wild run openssh), and more implementations for all kinds of broken pgp? so it may simply be less likely to spot a badly generated ssh key.
1492049;1467125142;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492022 << bwahahaha
1492050;1467125142;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 11:47 jurov: Framedragger, imo we should mix few interesting failures into the data. otherwise we risk getting kicked out from tmsr :D
1492051;1467125237;mircea_popescu;comrades, your production of failures per hectare is insufficient! comrade kosygin is displeased!
1492052;1467125371;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd be curious to see where all the rng-less home routers etc. went
1492053;1467125394;mircea_popescu;possibly same garbage dump cisco went
1492054;1467125437;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/06/firing-elites_28.html
1492055;1467125464;asciilifeform;' If they don’t want to see their country overrun by illegal migrants (note that having had you country destroyed by NATO does not qualify you for political asylum) then they are called racist and bigoted. If they fail to grasp some of the finer points of EU’s bureaucratic governance (because, frankly, who would want to waste time on all that nonsense?) then they are called ignorant and misguided. And, most importantly, if there
1492056;1467125464;asciilifeform;is a financial crash (which was inevitable in any case; see “Ponzi scheme” above) then that is blamed on their bad choices at the polls.'
1492057;1467125523;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for the record, i just tried to ssh to a few known home routers. no answer. try it yourself.
1492058;1467125554;mircea_popescu;i suppose isps filter incoming for the domestic space (not out of any safety concern, just, to not sell a useful service, which is anathema in usian style economy)
1492059;1467125556;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most units of recent vintage have the port closed
1492060;1467125583;mircea_popescu;so then your q has pretty good answers.
1492061;1467125593;Framedragger;i would like to scan the whole /0 0:65535 range some time though, i'm sure there'd be quite a few ssh servers lurking behind strange ports, and quite a lot of them could be old embedded gadgets. just speculation tho
1492062;1467125606;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492032 << let's also bribe the cockroaches in the kitchen to 'vote' to leave ?
1492063;1467125606;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:14 thestringpuller: mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other...
1492064;1467125617;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i personally doubt it.
1492065;1467125639;Framedragger;http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/ suggests there's more of fridge on the internet than there should be
1492066;1467125641;Framedragger;but yeh dunno about ssh
1492067;1467125676;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: if you call punching someone in the dick when they get out of control a bribe...sure
1492068;1467125745;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what specifically did you have in mind ?
1492069;1467125817;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492041 << linked mainly for the last line: 'settled out of court'
1492070;1467125817;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:41 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no patience to read, but by now, "at MIT" is damning.
1492071;1467125879;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what i'm more and more discovering is that the legends about the internet and the facts about the network (not just the internet, network in general) are very much at odds. consider a few examples : L1 : "many eyes means better code" ; R1 : "many eyes means bikeshed effect" | L2 : "Bitcoin has many nodes" ; R2 "yeah, like less than 50." | L3 : "there's many weak consumer grade boxes out there" ; R3 : "maybe in 19
1492072;1467125880;mircea_popescu;96." | L4 : "there's no rsa collisions in the wild" ; R4 : "if you don't count the 300 or so phuctor found" and on and on and on it goes in this vein. at this point i do not expect any "common sense" held truth about any network to be any closer to reality than what miss america thinks on the subject.
1492073;1467125941;asciilifeform;eh we're still waiting for ~proper~ rsa collision
1492074;1467125966;mircea_popescu;what is and what is not ; what can or can not be done ; how things should be done etc experimentally benefits little from importing reasonable_expectations.h
1492075;1467125991;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'll still be waiting for "proper" anything and everything. heck, we're still waiting for proper asciilifeform .
1492076;1467125997;asciilifeform;lel
1492077;1467126002;mircea_popescu;well ? sad but tru!
1492078;1467126096;asciilifeform; R2 "yeah, like less than 50." << it bothers me that i actually have NO IDEA how many
1492079;1467126108;asciilifeform;(there is ~no mechanical way to count)
1492080;1467126128;mircea_popescu;best thing you can have about a large UNSPECIFIED construct is a guess.
1492081;1467126131;asciilifeform;for all i know, mine are the only working ones presently
1492082;1467126164;asciilifeform;(this would be sad)
1492083;1467126168;mircea_popescu;after the shocking revelations earlier this year, that really many things which seemed actually hosted properly (ie, own box etc) and on this basis assumed independent were really THE SAME ONE ITEM, i think even the 50 figure is generous.
1492084;1467126206;mircea_popescu;the fact remains it's trivial to run gluster/galera on 5000 boxes and have what appears 5000 independent nodes that neverthelss have all the solidity of a puppet install.
1492085;1467126231;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492029 << because nobody actually did it.
1492086;1467126231;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 12:49 a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 11:31 thestringpuller: https://forum.bitcoin.com/pools/a-bitcoin-com-mining-pool-t8999.html << why did our pool never get off the ground?
1492087;1467126233;asciilifeform;incidentally!
1492088;1467126252;asciilifeform;anybody consider experiment where clusters of nodez with similar latency / uptime patterns are illuminated ?
1492089;1467126257;mircea_popescu;yes.
1492090;1467126273;asciilifeform;care to share output ?
1492091;1467126290;mircea_popescu;mno.
1492092;1467126303;asciilifeform;but not hard to guess what it looked like.
1492093;1467126314;mircea_popescu;it didn't look terribly good. for bitcoin.
1492094;1467126323;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1492095;1467126342;mircea_popescu;but, factually, there COULD be other reasons behind it. such as you know, hosts offer centos 7 prestamped on dedicated boxes, and so therefore, everyone runs centos 7
1492096;1467126345;mircea_popescu;that sort of thing.
1492097;1467126368;asciilifeform;that wouldn't create chorus of 'all these 5,000 nominally distinct nodes down for 20 minutes'
1492098;1467126430;mircea_popescu;anyway. the existential, fundamental, first and foremost threat to bitcoin is emerging to be, the essentially centralizing nature of the modern human. slave's born to live in empire, so if there's a lot of slaves, there'll be an empire. once nero died it wasn't a case of "ah fucking finally, now we can go back to republic". no, it was "WE MUST HAS EMPEROR! EVEN GALBA!"
1492099;1467126446;mircea_popescu;so : they have the option to be varied in hardware. not only they don't take it : they AMPLY eschew it.
1492100;1467126452;asciilifeform;the other interesting spice in the mix is that some unknown number of nodez are 'dark'
1492101;1467126457;mircea_popescu;they have the option to spurn bullshit. they don't, they seek bullshit.
1492102;1467126462;asciilifeform;i.e. plugged in solely to each other via ssh tunnels etc
1492103;1467126468;mircea_popescu;see something as "benign" as http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492039
1492104;1467126469;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:39 mircea_popescu: so apparently reddit has selected for this large-ish population of chicks that want to post selfies "anonymously". because they're THAt desperate for male attention and THAT incapable of handling male presence.
1492105;1467126480;asciilifeform;with some unknown number on periphery being public 'leaf' nodes.
1492106;1467126484;mircea_popescu;oh, "the state attacks the family" no dude. the state moves in a vacuum you made.
1492107;1467126508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not certain that anyone PRESENTLY has the real option to 'be varied in hardware'
1492108;1467126514;asciilifeform;but this could be same as your example above
1492109;1467126516;asciilifeform;they HAD the option
1492110;1467126517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this exists, obv. as much as a backup chain store is "dark node" after all.
1492111;1467126547;asciilifeform;'when DEC Alpha existed, did you motherfuckers buy?? no?? have fun'
1492112;1467126554;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform point being, idiots are idiots, and if their favourite idiocy is denied in bitcoin, they reddit desperately until they find a doge/ripple/ether replacement.
1492113;1467126571;mircea_popescu;in short : salvation can not come from the mass of people. the mass of people is here for one thing only, and that is to supply holocaust fuel.
1492114;1467126589;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492039 << interestingly. most millennial girls find guys creepy. cuz honestly, what sane female would be attracted to a redditor?
1492115;1467126590;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:39 mircea_popescu: so apparently reddit has selected for this large-ish population of chicks that want to post selfies "anonymously". because they're THAt desperate for male attention and THAT incapable of handling male presence.
1492116;1467126591;mircea_popescu;ie, "they want consensus".
1492117;1467126621;thestringpuller;everytime I hang out wiht my female friends and ask them about guys, its usually how creepy they are.
1492118;1467126630;thestringpuller;it's a plague
1492119;1467126636;trinque;they're saying weak
1492120;1467126637;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller has little to do with redditor per se, they find everything creepy for the reason and in the way pig finds everything too tall.
1492121;1467126655;mircea_popescu;trinque no, they're saying "i got all the food i could possibly need and this clicker thing. wut ?"
1492122;1467126658;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: as dan mocsny pointed out, 'creepy' is a word which largely means 'unattractive but not yet castrated'
1492123;1467126674;trinque;his female friends must suck then.
1492124;1467126676;mircea_popescu;you should see the local herps. "i like staying home and netflix".
1492125;1467126686;thestringpuller;exactly. but unattractive in the way of "get the fuck away from me I wouldn't fuck you if you were the last man on earth"
1492126;1467126688;mircea_popescu;and the shit they netflix isn't even fit for in-flight entertainment, admittedly a low bar.
1492127;1467126715;mircea_popescu;trinque no, because sucking is gross.
1492128;1467126721;trinque;lol
1492129;1467126732;mircea_popescu;the temptation to vegetate is great. absent a driver, plants will plant.
1492130;1467126745;asciilifeform;^ i utterly fail to grasp
1492131;1467126752;thestringpuller;trinque: no. most of my female friends prefer "actual guys" you know the ones who don't live at home in their mom's basement jerking off to girls on reddit all day.
1492132;1467126755;asciilifeform;where is this temptation
1492133;1467126779;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and it's not even fucking inborn, it's TRAINED! whip "lazy" girl that got to 20 and never achieved anything, she becomes in a year or two as self-driven and capable as you'd like it.
1492134;1467126790;mircea_popescu;take any girl, stick her in the "modern democracy" box, she becomes fat.
1492135;1467126829;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492031 << there is this.
1492136;1467126829;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 13:39 mats: because mining has -ev outcomes for virtually all participants without some kinda competitive advantage
1492137;1467126898;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492032 << the problem with this approach is that bribing is for losers. i for instance never bribed anyone, THEY BRIBED ME! because what the fuck is this, i'm going to pay derpy mayor/judge/whatever ? how about he buys his wife from me each year for the love of fuck!
1492138;1467126898;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:14 thestringpuller: mats: well from a financial perspective, not a political perspective. at the very least bribe miners to vote one way or the other...
1492139;1467126926;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492038 << an iffy point best left undisturbed.
1492140;1467126926;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:21 mats: as i understand it, the heterogeneity of clients in the wild naturally prefers the status quo
1492141;1467126981;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yea, i'm sure they do, until "real guys" say "bitch, get in there and make sandwiches" at which point "real guys are too hard and redditards are too soft and i'ma spend five hours on the phone with my "friend" ie exactly equivalent part."
1492142;1467127028;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fwiw, thorough walk of my nodes' traffic suggested 95%+ prb (until i put in malleus)
1492143;1467127058;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You forget today's American girl happiy makes a sandwich, but can't hold itself together enough to make it to the next room with out eating the sandwich (repeat x5 times)
1492144;1467127069;mircea_popescu;lmao
1492145;1467127077;mircea_popescu;this reminds me of the joke with the alchie. you know it ?
1492146;1467127120;Framedragger;tell it already
1492147;1467127126;mircea_popescu;(meanwhile back at the party house, A : http://67.media.tumblr.com/d73cd8b9c93c23df097d4183fe3463a7/tumblr_mu0mciNBEN1qg7xwvo2_400.gif B : http://66.media.tumblr.com/a7ba4153b4f7dd56c8c6272f7074819b/tumblr_mu0mciNBEN1qg7xwvo3_400.gif )
1492148;1467127148;mircea_popescu;lol ok ok! so alchie takes a bad fall while drunk, gets huge bruise on forehead.
1492149;1467127160;mircea_popescu;doc says "eh, it'll be ok, rub some alcohol on it".
1492150;1467127180;mircea_popescu;three days later alchie calls doc office in a passion. "doc, wtf do i do, i can't lift alcohol above my mouth."
1492151;1467127201;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: depends on if said guy has "bitch dependency" syndrome or not.
1492152;1467127208;mircea_popescu;howssat ?
1492153;1467127243;thestringpuller;A disease that leaves a person addicted and dependent to a bitch. If that bitch decides to leave him/her, that person becomes an emotional train wreck and does nothing but lay around and mope. In worst cases, that said person would think he/she is in an R&B music video- something worse than self-mutilation.
1492154;1467127249;thestringpuller;The only cure for Chronic Bitch Dependency is learning how to control the bitch and make her behave- hit the bitch if she doesn't do what you say until you achieved desired results.
1492155;1467127256;mircea_popescu;oh. but wait, this is good, because victim ticket.
1492156;1467127276;mircea_popescu;sit around, write bad poetry while torturing a guitar, do a lot of pot, be all you know, "sad" an' whatnot.
1492157;1467127287;thestringpuller;Meanwhile Usher runs off with your wife.
1492158;1467127289;mircea_popescu;what, there's no bullying so nobody's gonna fuck your shit up for being a loser and admitting it.
1492159;1467127298;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller even better!
1492160;1467127307;mircea_popescu;now not only you don't have to put up with her, but it's POOR YOU!!11
1492161;1467127314;asciilifeform;usher, as in 'the house of ' ??!
1492162;1467127330;mircea_popescu;no, as in the 11 or 95 yo that lets people in cinema hall
1492163;1467127346;asciilifeform;no, no, http://www.eapoe.org/works/tales/usherf.htm << him
1492164;1467127353;BingoBoingo;Usher's a sort of Tyrone who sings
1492165;1467127377;thestringpuller;^- yea.
1492166;1467127378;mircea_popescu;ahahahah check it out, black community came full circle! from usher to usher! one century of revolutionary progress.
1492167;1467127392;mircea_popescu;(where revolutionary means what it in fact means - what the earth does around the sun is a revolution)
1492168;1467127439;thestringpuller;one day Bieber will run off with your wife, but then again I guess that's the point you were making with shitty American girls.
1492169;1467127442;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check it out, the top hit is about how he wore a don't trump america jacket.
1492170;1467127474;mircea_popescu;i'm sure this'll lose trump some votes in the 12% black + 4% lgbtdskfhkejrhdfg community, and gain him some in the 78% white and pissed group.
1492171;1467127477;mircea_popescu;good deal!
1492172;1467127500;asciilifeform;+111% cuck voatez
1492173;1467127505;BingoBoingo;For serious
1492174;1467127533;mircea_popescu;crisis of representativity, this is it. when people are so confused about what they stand for and whom they stand before, they end up achieving counter-intentional results.
1492175;1467127545;mircea_popescu;and, in classical theory, crisis of representativity is always resolved through open warfare.
1492176;1467127580;mircea_popescu;from the two kids in schoolyard ("ce ma, te crezi smecher ???") to the empire falling apart or uk/argentina going to war notwithstanding the disaster it is for both, crisis of representativity -> conflict.
1492177;1467127711;mircea_popescu;and obviously enough, jewish groups trying to boycott german goods in the 1930s us is tghe exact equivalent of obscure rapper dude saying things about trump to an audience of obscure wanna-be rapper, wanna-be gay, wanna-be mit etc dudes.
1492178;1467128110;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492068 << No specifics just a solution to push "The Prequisite" through.
1492179;1467128110;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what specifically did you have in mind ?
1492180;1467128174;thestringpuller;i imagine though best case scenario, power rangers takes mod6's patches and merges it into prb
1492181;1467128187;asciilifeform;ugh wat
1492182;1467128204;shinohai;(-__-)
1492183;1467128221;thestringpuller;worst case* yay for doing 5mn things at once
1492184;1467128223;thestringpuller;:P
1492185;1467128228;asciilifeform;anything other than unconditional capitulation to trb, == prb.
1492186;1467128243;thestringpuller;yes. hence NOT DESIRABLE
1492187;1467128262;thestringpuller;mining pool, not desirable. etc. etc.
1492188;1467128398;mircea_popescu;uh.
1492189;1467128404;mircea_popescu;what're you on about thestringpuller ?
1492190;1467128428;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-05#1422535 << this thread.
1492191;1467128428;a111;Logged on 2016-03-05 15:15 mircea_popescu: i suppose IF the july many-fork time comes and trb has nothing to offer then it might as well close.
1492192;1467128467;mircea_popescu;alright, what about it ?
1492193;1467128511;thestringpuller;I don't see a good scenario where TRB could deploy a fork i.e. "the prequisite".
1492194;1467128529;mircea_popescu;you're confusing things. everyone but us deploys a fork.
1492195;1467128555;mircea_popescu;o noes, guyse, why is eth dropping ? i thought they fixed it!
1492196;1467128583;thestringpuller;so who deploys "the prequisite"?
1492197;1467128583;mircea_popescu;$up drizztdourden
1492198;1467128584;deedbot;drizztdourden voiced for 30 minutes.
1492199;1467128605;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller anyone who feels like it.
1492200;1467128632;thestringpuller;aha.
1492201;1467128663;mircea_popescu;these two are not specifically related, they're separate items.
1492202;1467128702;mircea_popescu;item A is a discussion of what at the time was a possible outcome, something of the kind of "if we don't fortify these walls and enemy army comes over, we're fucked". this has been muchly degraded meanwhile, principally by "well, every march lord on their path has harried the fuck out of them, and so not much of an army left".
1492203;1467128734;mircea_popescu;item B is a discussion of peace, ie, what's the absolute minimal required basis for an agreement.
1492204;1467128762;mircea_popescu;necessarily, in order for such an agreement to be had, "everyone" must deploy "the prerequisite".
1492205;1467128766;mircea_popescu;make sense ?
1492206;1467128803;thestringpuller;Aha. "peace" is the part I didn't understand. "the prequisite" is a treaty, not a war proclamation.
1492207;1467128819;mircea_popescu;"there can be no fork unless it includes this".
1492208;1467128843;deedbot;[Qntra] How The Tor Project Pays And Pays CIA Agents From Their USG.Navy Coffers - http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/
1492209;1467128846;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, random derp on twitter, "Can anyone point me to a summary of solidity exploits and common patterns to avoid them?". really bitch, you want the COMMON solution ? common fucking MADE the exploits! holy shit.
1492210;1467128853;shinohai;This was covered in trilema article, no?
1492211;1467128856;thestringpuller;aha. then mats comment makes more sense. ty.
1492212;1467128866;mircea_popescu;shinohai i would have thought so.
1492213;1467128871;asciilifeform;'common patterns to avoid them' << gold
1492214;1467128879;asciilifeform;^ the mental process of homo phpicus exposed
1492215;1467128887;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Common is also a black man who sings, but he acts more. Far less Tyrone than Usher though.
1492216;1467128898;mircea_popescu;"David Chasteen hired a law firm and that members of the list should have no contact with David Chasteen or discussions about him." << what the fuck is this crap ?
1492217;1467128916;mircea_popescu;dude, i'll discuss whoever i please. ESPECIALLY some usg tool that meanwhile took posturing lessosn.
1492218;1467128917;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Employment law FTW
1492219;1467128924;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo fuck that.
1492220;1467128937;mircea_popescu;my right to mock the shit out of idiots is fundamental and can not be abridged.
1492221;1467128939;BingoBoingo;Well tese aren't quality outlaws
1492222;1467128949;mircea_popescu;no, they just wanted to.
1492223;1467128981;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "i gave at the common office, mr exploit, pls don't fuck me."
1492224;1467129000;mircea_popescu;see ? slave empire IS BUILT BY SLAVES.
1492225;1467129010;asciilifeform;not by martians, no.
1492226;1467129012;mircea_popescu;the only error there is to imagine "against their will". no dude, literally, it is built by the slaves.
1492227;1467129024;mircea_popescu;they, out of their own idiocy, FORCE otherwise employable folk to be their massah.
1492228;1467129108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sometime btw, someone should undertake the job of finding the number of the exploit. you know, do with the maths or system theory or something, like that lisp thing.
1492229;1467129122;asciilifeform;l0lwut
1492230;1467129125;mircea_popescu;then everyone can have the number of the exploit embroidered on their underwear and there'll be no more exploits.
1492231;1467129132;asciilifeform;right after i calculate the number of their pubic lice.
1492232;1467129143;mircea_popescu;(btw, best if it comes out small. say up to three digits. two best.)
1492233;1467129150;asciilifeform;$s how many bugs
1492234;1467129150;a111;5 results for "how many bugs", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=how%20many%20bugs
1492235;1467129173;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a nononon, this isn't a count. this is THE NUMBER OF! you know how they say "i got their number" ? like that!
1492236;1467129174;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-29#650474
1492237;1467129174;a111;Logged on 2014-04-29 22:56 asciilifeform: dijkstra once read a lecture, and exclaimed 'how many bugs shall we tolerate?!' one wag stands up - '3!'
1492238;1467129182;mircea_popescu;it's not that there's 666 devils. it's that 666 is THE NUMBER OF!
1492239;1467129188;asciilifeform;The Number Of
1492240;1467129190;mircea_popescu;now you know it, nothing bad can happen from there.
1492241;1467129194;asciilifeform;(of... those who Just Wanted ?)
1492242;1467129206;*;asciilifeform has a book on his shelf, titled THE OF
1492243;1467129214;asciilifeform;(faded print, i fuhget what it was originally)
1492244;1467129226;mircea_popescu;it's the number of! say if we knew 97 is the number of solidity exploits, then solidity would finally be solid.
1492245;1467129234;asciilifeform;i'ma consult 'the of'.
1492246;1467129238;mircea_popescu;plox ty.
1492247;1467129251;mircea_popescu;also not too much math squigglies they make sally's head hurt.
1492248;1467129255;asciilifeform;it tells me 'a if an'
1492249;1467129262;mircea_popescu;and break state of the art pdf converters
1492250;1467129267;asciilifeform;aha!11
1492251;1467129357;mircea_popescu;lol wait, putin now wants russia to become "blockchain leader" ??? https://www.znak.com/2016-06-27/o_samom_glavnom_seychas_biznes_ombudsmen_pri_prezidente_putine_lider_partii_rosta_boris_titov << is this a thing ?
1492252;1467129374;asciilifeform;wat
1492253;1467129385;mircea_popescu;i can't even.
1492254;1467129453;asciilifeform;i see nothing about blockchains etc
1492255;1467129491;mircea_popescu;mmmm
1492256;1467129538;asciilifeform;it's a lengthy mega-snore, re politico who wants to implement equivalent of american fdic, reduce tax, etc.
1492257;1467129567;asciilifeform;ok THERE it is
1492258;1467129573;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1492259;1467129579;asciilifeform;'Например, мы будем поддерживать идею, что Россия должна стать лидером в мире в области блокчейна. Значение его не меньше по важности, чем создание интернета. Если мы сегодня привлечем к себе все основные технологии и инвесторов в области б
1492260;1467129579;asciilifeform;локчейна (саморегулируемая система транзакций, функционирующая без центральных банков — прим. ред.) и криптовалют, у нас есть все и географические, и людские ресурсы выйти в передовые страны мира не только в этой области, но и в целом.'
1492261;1467129581;asciilifeform;snoar.
1492262;1467129596;mircea_popescu;seems altogether just a "ms office shanonizer" job, they got stuff from the internets and copy-pasted it into a "government official blabla"
1492263;1467129599;asciilifeform;aha.
1492264;1467129602;mircea_popescu;which is how 99% of tyhat crud is made ?
1492265;1467129605;asciilifeform;snoromatic.
1492266;1467129611;mircea_popescu;myeah k.
1492267;1467129658;mircea_popescu;anyway. if anyone's following the lulzdrama : ethereum people realise their "fix" ie softfork will in fact be defeated, want hard fork nao.
1492268;1467129667;mircea_popescu;"consensus is building" :D
1492269;1467129698;mircea_popescu;"all of humanity is counting on us to deliver" (~nobody on reddit)
1492270;1467129700;asciilifeform;where does this lulzdrama even live ?
1492271;1467129743;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the original fuckups, ie, slock.it, is a "company" of the web sort that runs some shitty proprietary irc. so there's that. then there's reddit, twitter, livejournal, facebook
1492272;1467129750;mircea_popescu;etc etc. where bugs live, these bugs live.
1492273;1467129765;asciilifeform;livejournal?!
1492274;1467129775;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4q9ewf/ethereums_dao_wars_soft_fork_is_a_potential_dos/d4r8060 << sauce for given quote
1492275;1467129904;asciilifeform;http://hackingdistributed.com/2016/06/28/ethereum-soft-fork-dos-vector << parent link, explains what mircea_popescu was suggesting last night ?
1492276;1467129913;mircea_popescu;myeah
1492277;1467129925;mircea_popescu;well, what they understood of it at any rate. i take no responsibility for the shitheads.
1492278;1467129957;asciilifeform;couldn't they walk a script for the verboten addr ~before~ running it ? or does the shitlang allow dynamic generation of addrs and you ~must~ run
1492279;1467129993;mircea_popescu;lol
1492280;1467129998;phf;oh look russia is doing nanotechnology^Wblockchain
1492281;1467130000;mircea_popescu;what are you, from the future ?
1492282;1467130015;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492262
1492283;1467130015;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 15:59 mircea_popescu: seems altogether just a "ms office shanonizer" job, they got stuff from the internets and copy-pasted it into a "government official blabla"
1492284;1467130019;asciilifeform;nanoblockchology!11111
1492285;1467130020;shinohai;http://futurism.com/protein-uncovered-that-stops-arteries-from-clogging/   <<< Hail the U of Missouri BingoBoingo !!!
1492286;1467130022;mircea_popescu;THEY WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT!
1492287;1467130038;mircea_popescu;mit, whatever. so they go around, copy/paste code from expert sex change, and that's it.
1492288;1467130052;mircea_popescu;phf word!
1492289;1467130149;phf;hmm i wonder what's english equivalent for распил. i think the word is as apropos, but just doesn't exist
1492290;1467130171;asciilifeform;i looked for a good translation for ages phf
1492291;1467130180;asciilifeform;normally i just say 'sawmilling'
1492292;1467130286;phf;multitran gives some definitions, that are not too bad, but different for different contexts
1492293;1467130309;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw what was the intended reference for tyrone ?
1492294;1467130335;*;phf brb
1492295;1467130397;asciilifeform;phf: in usa they sometimes speak of 'porkbarreling' but it is imho not quite same thing.
1492296;1467130424;mircea_popescu;re raspil, is this a sort of ro "fumat" as in "s-a baut tot, s-a fumat tot"
1492297;1467130439;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Gets all dey white wymenz
1492298;1467130444;mircea_popescu;aha
1492299;1467130505;trinque;well now I gotta https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnN05vOuSM
1492300;1467130546;mircea_popescu;word!
1492301;1467130632;mircea_popescu;dawg they're great. iron maiden ftw.
1492302;1467130662;*;asciilifeform just took delivery of 50 years (400 pounds) of 'scientific american'
1492303;1467130672;asciilifeform;up to the 1998 shitocalypse
1492304;1467130676;mircea_popescu;cold winter prognosised ?
1492305;1467130679;mircea_popescu;ah
1492306;1467130686;asciilifeform;lel
1492307;1467130741;mircea_popescu;"Additionally, planners had to aggregate many types of goods and inputs into a single material balance because it was impossible to create an individual balance for each of the approximately 24 million items produced and consumed in the USSR." << ftr, this is actually actively pursued by yellen & co.
1492308;1467130757;mircea_popescu;because shannonizer meanwhile CAN make excel templates for 24mn items. in java!
1492309;1467130813;asciilifeform;weizenbaum (of 'eliza') predicted 100% of this in his 'computer power and human reason'
1492310;1467130829;mircea_popescu;(brought to you by the people who believe closing factories and making "transfer payments" to "workers" is a superior pareto alternative to soviet planned economy)
1492311;1467130833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mhm.
1492312;1467130840;asciilifeform;namely, that welfare state would make use of the machine to produce vaguely-plausible nonsense in gargantuan quantities, in precisely this manner
1492313;1467130848;mircea_popescu;stupid doesn't just go away. it simply dresses in the sky of the day.
1492314;1467131328;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you gonna photocopy the sa, for when phf has the tits svg'er ready ?
1492315;1467131346;asciilifeform;at some point
1492316;1467131364;asciilifeform;it was a 'buy now or wait another decade' thing
1492317;1467131369;mircea_popescu;myea
1492318;1467131390;mircea_popescu;if my collection of kvant taught me anything, it's definitely the best of all investments - paperwork of the old library.
1492319;1467131393;mircea_popescu;definitely beats art.
1492320;1467131400;asciilifeform;kvant was bowel-looseningly awesome
1492321;1467131406;mircea_popescu;aha
1492322;1467131408;asciilifeform;the american sci-am (to '90s) was similar
1492323;1467131413;asciilifeform;schematics for particle beam machines, etc.
1492324;1467131417;mircea_popescu;well... we were younger, then.
1492325;1467131455;asciilifeform;in late '90s it was purchased by a news conglomerate (i fuhget which) and turned into a rag
1492326;1467131471;asciilifeform;(many pretty pictures of pandas etc but no actual material for thinking folk)
1492327;1467131478;mircea_popescu;hey, this just means they were successful startup amirite ?
1492328;1467131481;mircea_popescu;sell to someone else!
1492329;1467131483;asciilifeform;ahahaha right
1492330;1467131724;shinohai;$s http://www.coindesk.com/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-pledges-support-blockchain-tech/
1492331;1467131725;a111;1 results for "http://www.coindesk.com/presidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-pledges-support-blockchain-tech/", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coindesk.com%2Fpresidential-candidate-hillary-clinton-pledges-support-blockchain-tech%2F
1492332;1467131741;asciilifeform;lemme guess, speech at mit ?
1492333;1467131759;mircea_popescu;lmao, as part of the democrats' "bitcoin is terrorist money" initiative ?
1492334;1467131781;mircea_popescu;"we'll support mit's hole-ridden ''blockchain'' instead!"
1492335;1467131805;mircea_popescu;anyway, asciilifeform, there you go : that's how they paid ~200mn to terrorists past two weeks.
1492336;1467131819;mircea_popescu;hopefully the woman gets elected, we turn that into a cool trillion.
1492337;1467132024;asciilifeform;with 5 working nodez lolk.
1492338;1467132065;asciilifeform;'Hard Fork: A hard fork would put a decisive end to the ongoing corewars game that is being played.' << lel somebody reads them l0gz
1492339;1467132693;BingoBoingo;Look he cured his obesity! https://archive.is/kDmQf
1492340;1467132779;shinohai;LO
1492341;1467132906;wyrdmantis;$up drizztdourden
1492342;1467132906;deedbot;drizztdourden voiced for 30 minutes.
1492343;1467132995;drizztdourden;hello everyone, my fellow wyrdmantis brought me here to try eulora
1492344;1467133034;shinohai;Welcome, hope you enjoy.
1492345;1467133076;trinque;drizztdourden: you'll have to ask mircea_popescu for an account
1492346;1467133123;drizztdourden;yes, thank you
1492347;1467133187;drizztdourden;mircea_popescu: i want to try eulora, thanks
1492348;1467133724;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1492349;1467133726;gribble;Current Blocks: 418389 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 938 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1492350;1467133785;mircea_popescu;hi there drizztdourden
1492351;1467133790;mircea_popescu;$key drizztdourden
1492352;1467133797;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e9c4c3fe-0d0b-4348-8512-75cbb10c4e02/
1492353;1467133802;mircea_popescu;be a moment.
1492354;1467133850;drizztdourden;sure
1492355;1467133939;asciilifeform;in other non-nyooz, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2016/04/coda.html
1492356;1467134077;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/moldbug_ebooks << lel this exists
1492357;1467134226;mircea_popescu;drizztdourden http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/7dffa58b-67d5-4a11-9a4d-68bff768a047/
1492358;1467134231;mircea_popescu;$rate drizztdourden 1 Euloran
1492359;1467134253;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/3342e645-676f-449a-83a5-20bbd8ef0d5e/
1492360;1467134275;mircea_popescu;$v 5103B823052B00BC3F996775D13A928B72402A581CBCC639EFDA312E3E74A2E0
1492361;1467134276;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated drizztdourden 1 << Euloran
1492362;1467134312;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform top tweet, "your chains can only be broken by our patented AA method, join the cult now!"
1492363;1467134316;mircea_popescu;wtf is wrong with usians srsly.
1492364;1467134782;mircea_popescu;and in the daily trilema roulette, http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/
1492365;1467135150;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487874 << we're up 440k in the first score and 200k on the 2nd. is this still from recent sks dump being put in ?
1492366;1467135150;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 12:38 a111: Logged on 2016-06-23 10:30 mircea_popescu: speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
1492367;1467135335;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: current sks still has ~2 wks of juice in it
1492368;1467135380;asciilifeform;but yes, i will outline the algo, when you throw in a key, you get +1 'submissions', regardless of whether said key has moduli, and +M known moduli, where M is the number of rsa moduli in said pgp key.
1492369;1467135395;asciilifeform;'moduli waiting for test' are any moduli that have never yet been crunched
1492370;1467135405;asciilifeform;presently cruncher runs 1x every 4hrs.
1492371;1467135435;asciilifeform;(covering ALL moduli in the db, not merely 'queued')
1492372;1467135444;mircea_popescu;the point being that if there's less than 1 moduli known added for each ssh submission processed, we got a problem there.
1492373;1467135451;asciilifeform;1.
1492374;1467135466;asciilifeform;thus far no rejects in the logs.
1492375;1467135475;mircea_popescu;ah you watching it ? cool.
1492376;1467135481;asciilifeform;i have the thing scroll.
1492377;1467135497;asciilifeform;it is how i know anything at all.
1492378;1467135498;mircea_popescu;http://67.media.tumblr.com/0c49f3cf0ae644308babd5b13509d1e3/tumblr_na8aaagXtw1th1i2xo1_400.gif << brought to you by misppeal meddia.
1492379;1467135589;*;asciilifeform revels in the museum-quality sa issues, they are in airtight cellophanes
1492380;1467135604;mircea_popescu;nice!
1492381;1467135610;asciilifeform;most of'em anyway
1492382;1467135759;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/06/OPD-Pulse-Shooting-Log.pdf << lulzy, possibly qntrable
1492383;1467135759;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1492384;1467135760;thestringpuller;whoa. did I really just make 34% shorting ETH...
1492385;1467135897;trinque;lol, good work.
1492386;1467135898;asciilifeform;'PER WANDA FORD SHE ADV ANY MEDIA CALLS WE GET TO EMER01 6:40:13
1492387;1467135898;asciilifeform;TELL THEM TO REFER TO OUR TWITTER PAGE. THEY ARE EMER01 6:40:21
1492388;1467135898;asciilifeform;HOMELAND SECURITY 1097'
1492389;1467135901;asciilifeform;^ and other lulz.
1492390;1467135928;asciilifeform;complete with mysterious censored bits.
1492391;1467136050;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d521af7c-48ce-4a78-8e0a-75d4d4845906/?raw=true << somewhat readable depdf
1492392;1467136218;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The censored bits really detract from my motivation to do anything with it, but if someone else has the inclinations to do it...
1492393;1467136320;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no big loss, for all i know - whole thing is disinfo
1492394;1467136336;BingoBoingo;Which is the other suspeicion
1492395;1467137819;mircea_popescu;and today in signs of patriarchy : me and girl dress to go out. i have 172 buttons. she has one.
1492396;1467137825;mircea_popescu;win.
1492397;1467138231;asciilifeform;lel 172?! mircea_popescu dressed as what, 17th c. hussar ?
1492398;1467138406;trinque;http://thesuiteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/michael-hussar-michaelhussar-oil-canvas-painting-art.jpg << googled hussar for visual, got...
1492399;1467138797;shinohai;^ Satan in BingoBoingo 's personal hell.
1492400;1467138841;BingoBoingo;Nah, Satan's supposed to be your buddy, not a hambeast
1492401;1467139128;trinque;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f4/36/2a/f4362a9c0e8650babb6aec4e64dc2656.jpg << I have another one for BingoBoingo
1492402;1467139169;BingoBoingo;Would not sign a contract with, disqualified from being the devil.
1492403;1467139741;mats;at least she can stand upright
1492404;1467140561;asciilifeform;urgh
1492405;1467141015;asciilifeform;in other lulz, i have nfi what this is : https://gist.github.com/rgov/c605161835a78ebea095fee9429c8c8a
1492406;1467141068;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://rstforums.com/forum/profile/209287-romanuls-anascutprostan << wtf..?
1492407;1467141210;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: Are you the one managing the phuctor effort?
1492408;1467141219;midnightmagic;or looking after it or whatever?
1492409;1467141220;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: i wrote it, fwiw
1492410;1467141241;asciilifeform;( with generous support from mircea_popescu )
1492411;1467141259;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: If you are interested in a copy of the SKS keyset as of..  I want to say mid-2012 or so (the same one that was used as evidence that Craig Wright backdated his keys) I can stuff it into an archive for you.
1492412;1467141388;asciilifeform;midnightmagic: i started with an only slightly younger sks
1492413;1467141402;asciilifeform;but it wouldn't hurt to have a historic copy.
1492414;1467141418;asciilifeform;for one thing, we could nail the question of whether the sks folk tell the truth in re 'nothing is ever removed'
1492415;1467141434;asciilifeform;(or rather, nail it in the negative, if evidence of such turns up. otherwise it stays open)
1492416;1467141452;midnightmagic;Okie doke. I originally downloaded a copy of it because I was having a discussion with some peeps about fingerprinting keys and preferences and bitsizes to see how unique various peoples' choices were, and then just never went anywhere with it.
1492417;1467141479;midnightmagic;asciilifeform: You can wget from a tor HS site?
1492418;1467141487;asciilifeform;not easily
1492419;1467141542;*;asciilifeform brb
1492420;1467141982;midnightmagic;Ah, okay, so the first one is dated Feb 19 2012. And I have another one here from Dec 6 2015. I'll zip up the 2012 one and post a URL and signature.
1492421;1467142619;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492150 << ahahaha nice one! never heard this
1492422;1467142619;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 15:19 mircea_popescu: three days later alchie calls doc office in a passion. "doc, wtf do i do, i can't lift alcohol above my mouth."
1492423;1467142654;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492071<< yeah i see your point, and incidentally agree here completely
1492424;1467142654;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 14:57 mircea_popescu: Framedragger what i'm more and more discovering is that the legends about the internet and the facts about the network (not just the internet, network in general) are very much at odds. consider a few examples : L1 : "many eyes means better code" ; R1 : "many eyes means bikeshed effect" | L2 : "Bitcoin has many nodes" ; R2 "yeah, like less than 50." | L3 : "there's many weak consumer grade boxes out there" ;
1492425;1467142704;Framedragger;those opinions and past rumours on the nets are sort of detrimental if anything to the experimental effort which is sorely needed in all areas here
1492426;1467142732;Framedragger;who would have thought
1492427;1467142744;Framedragger;(not me, apparently; need to work against that internalized bias some more)
1492428;1467142759;Framedragger;(bias to trust legendz)
1492429;1467142780;trinque;was just about to say, cartography > traveler's legends
1492430;1467142873;Framedragger;problem when world is big and you need to trust other cartographers, i guess
1492431;1467142901;trinque;use your WoT
1492432;1467142946;Framedragger;that's a start for sure. sometimes cartographers from far away lands not connected to your network of trust, i guess. but then perhaps no need to trust much about far away lands anyway
1492433;1467143368;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492083 << out of loop; soo, many awesome bitcoin nodes actually run on the same host? kinda hilarious / sad
1492434;1467143368;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 15:02 mircea_popescu: after the shocking revelations earlier this year, that really many things which seemed actually hosted properly (ie, own box etc) and on this basis assumed independent were really THE SAME ONE ITEM, i think even the 50 figure is generous.
1492435;1467143539;trinque;$s sybil
1492436;1467143540;a111;68 results for "sybil", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sybil
1492437;1467144535;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: See alf's AWS hammer
1492438;1467146198;BingoBoingo;$up linton_s_dawson1
1492439;1467146199;deedbot;linton_s_dawson1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1492440;1467148111;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492397 << yes! :D
1492441;1467148111;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 18:23 asciilifeform: lel 172?! mircea_popescu dressed as what, 17th c. hussar ?
1492442;1467148152;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492398 << see also alt spellyng, hussy-arr. http://66.media.tumblr.com/8f8a4e297b0bd1d6a3c698d2d9e2923f/tumblr_nz1hjgjn0q1v0vlh7o1_500.gif
1492443;1467148152;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 18:26 trinque: http://thesuiteworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/michael-hussar-michaelhussar-oil-canvas-painting-art.jpg << googled hussar for visual, got...
1492444;1467148241;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492406 << hm ?
1492445;1467148241;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 19:11 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://rstforums.com/forum/profile/209287-romanuls-anascutprostan << wtf..?
1492446;1467148330;wyrdmantis;mircea_popescu apparently i can't log in eulora
1492447;1467148340;mircea_popescu;lol dude... check out all the obscure venues where people discuss me knowingly.
1492448;1467148359;mircea_popescu;wyrdmantis server's up, what's teh problem ?
1492449;1467148547;BingoBoingo;Why you can't hire redditurds https://archive.is/re5Z0
1492450;1467148711;drizztdourden;mircea_popescu now he's online but i get always incorrect username or password
1492451;1467148724;drizztdourden;we are connected to the same router
1492452;1467148813;mircea_popescu;yeah well that doesn't work.
1492453;1467148848;shinohai;There's just not enough asylums in the US anymore fr these people.
1492454;1467148960;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492429 << the link is quite germane. even as late as 1800 romanian popular geography included "muscali cu coada", literally, moscow people had tails, like a cat.
1492455;1467148960;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 19:39 trinque: was just about to say, cartography > traveler's legends
1492456;1467149581;mircea_popescu;lol someone plugged the router cable ?
1492457;1467149776;shinohai;https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/747897783802277888
1492458;1467149938;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Dealing with idiot car buyers: A primer. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/28/dealing-with-idiot-car-buyers-a-primer/
1492459;1467151658;shinohai;Ethereum: -11.73 %   The DAO: -17.88 %
1492460;1467151700;mircea_popescu;no ?
1492461;1467151710;mircea_popescu;wasn't it fixed ? i thought THEY WERE COMING AFTER ME!!11
1492462;1467151742;shinohai;:D
1492463;1467151807;mircea_popescu;gonna leave  https://archive.is/UlYmh for the posterities.
1492464;1467151860;asciilifeform;'I could not understand, this is a company who had a hard hit by a bug, yet they could able to hit again by a bug. Okey they have pressure on they back but this is a second market crush. I'm so sad to see this post.'
1492465;1467151862;asciilifeform;gold.
1492466;1467151869;mircea_popescu;gotta love it when the "solution" to the "solution" consists of PLEASE DONT RUN OUR CODE
1492467;1467151929;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492454 << 'dog men' appeared in atlas until when, 15th c ?
1492468;1467151929;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 21:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492429 << the link is quite germane. even as late as 1800 romanian popular geography included "muscali cu coada", literally, moscow people had tails, like a cat.
1492469;1467151946;mircea_popescu;"we are the premier engineer and science institution IN THE WORLD!"
1492470;1467151950;mircea_popescu;and could totally buy... an apple.
1492471;1467151960;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1492472;1467152395;mircea_popescu;and to round the lolz farm, " The code was open-sourced on March 3rd, so experts had almost two months to find vulnerabilities before it was deployed. It was also audited (at an alleged cost of $250k) by the same firm that audited geth before the frontier launch." (you remember, by the "dejavu" derps, that proud scion of bitcoin security of bitcoinica days. https://archive.is/yZ0ke )
1492473;1467152627;mircea_popescu;and, of course, let's not forget historical posturing https://archive.is/iKC07 by the TRULY professional slock.it "all staer" team : simon jentzsch (founder & "ceo"), christoph jentzch (founder's relative & "CTO"), stephan tual (staph patient & coockoo), lefteris karapetsas, griff green, colm herbert, and the one, the only, dr! christian reitwiessner, the creator of stolidity!
1492474;1467152637;mircea_popescu;"CTO" &
1492475;1467152647;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/iKC07
1492476;1467152896;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492457 << so basically, as part of its ongoing cold war against insufficiently-pliable torvalds, the usg through its usg.twitter agency... repurposed what it claims to be "linus' account", ie, a voodoo doll they made for him. and this somehow is supposed to reflect on the man ? why, because we're all from the great nation of africa and ergo fucktarded in the brain ?
1492477;1467152896;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 21:36 shinohai: https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/747897783802277888
1492478;1467160104;asciilifeform;in other lulz: http://www.seattletimes.com/business/microsoft/microsoft-draws-flak-for-pushing-windows-10-on-pc-users << somebody sued microshit and won
1492479;1467160158;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qb4kz/this_is_intolerably_ridiculous_hard_fork_and_move/d4rr6t3   <<< naturally this guy gets downboats
1492480;1467160473;asciilifeform;what was it mircea_popescu said, 'never interrupt an enemy who is in the middle of fellating his nagant'
1492481;1467160488;shinohai;:)
1492482;1467162493;phf;"You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205."
1492483;1467163632;phf;from https://sale.urbit.org
1492484;1467164441;mircea_popescu;it was nappy leon!
1492485;1467164483;mircea_popescu;they were playing bridge and someone was about to say 1nt with akj in 6 hearts.
1492486;1467164604;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, but his link is very informative. "how about you look before you leap ?" "STOP TALKING NONSENSE!!!!! NOBOSY CAN USE NOGGIN!!11!!ELEVEN WE ARE HERE TO BUILD CENTRALIZED DECENTRALIZATION!"
1492487;1467164631;mircea_popescu;"AND WE ALL R AGREES IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO!"
1492488;1467164645;mircea_popescu;if it blows up, you can always "hard fork"^H"pretend it never happened".
1492489;1467164667;mircea_popescu;"that's how life works" etc.
1492490;1467164754;mircea_popescu;anyway. #etherape right on schedule.
1492491;1467164777;mircea_popescu;hopefully hilary has enough money leftover from bill to pay for round two of lolz.
1492492;1467164851;mod6;#hardfork_timemachine
1492493;1467164918;mircea_popescu;phf is this for the people who bought battleships, islands, now they can buy asteroids, next alphabet letters...
1492494;1467164937;mircea_popescu;yarvin really should have his own breakfast cereal company.
1492495;1467164960;phf;yeah, it's that same game
1492496;1467164988;mircea_popescu;brb ima liquidate my doge profits buy some more scamtokens from usg tools!
1492497;1467164992;phf;but it's interesting to observe a "hip" version of it 
1492498;1467165004;mircea_popescu;is it hiperer than the previous ?
1492499;1467165072;phf;there's a video of a guy doing a pitch, some nice fonts, stripe integration. it is now, it is happening
1492500;1467165084;mircea_popescu;heh stripe.
1492501;1467165086;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1492502;1467165088;phf;could be a yc project
1492503;1467165165;mircea_popescu;in other news, ethereumgear.com now advertises in google searches for me. because yeah, totally.
1492504;1467165534;phf;smart ads!
1492505;1467165596;mircea_popescu;totally smart.
1492506;1467165597;shinohai;Have a tshirt made with that pic of mircea_popescu in Egypt, but replace the pyramids with burning ethereum logos.
1492507;1467165674;phf;trilema store on cafe press
1492508;1467165721;mircea_popescu;better than bitdaytrade, this shit.
1492509;1467165722;phf;just pictures of all the "show your tits" girls on white t-shirts American Apparel style
1492510;1467165743;mircea_popescu;rarely has such large a collection of entirely inept shitheads been so utterly exposed.
1492511;1467165769;mircea_popescu;i mean, bitdaytrade rivals it for utter, but that was what, meni rosenfeld and a bunch of web freelancer pakis.
1492512;1467165776;phf;s/american apparel/supreme/
1492513;1467165793;mircea_popescu;phf actually this isn't a terribru idea, make shirts with the numbered tits.
1492514;1467165815;phf;half way through i realized i wasn't just trolling
1492515;1467165822;mod6;<+shinohai> Have a tshirt made with that pic of mircea_popescu in Egypt, but replace the pyramids with burning ethereum logos. << the drawing of Mr. P. that was made a while back would be a good t-shirt.
1492516;1467165824;mircea_popescu;$google "i'll pay for your tits"
1492517;1467165824;deedbot;http://trilema.com/2014/06 << June 2014 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014 << NEXT: 28-07-2014 | http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao << They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.
1492518;1467165867;shinohai;Yeah mod6 that *would* be great
1492519;1467165890;mircea_popescu;yeah, anyone wanna run a tmsr tshirts bidniss ? preferably someone who isn't a lazy math guy who pretends to lie to self and call it "downshifting" or w/e.
1492520;1467165962;phf;http://www.projectblitz.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1800x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/_/m/_mg_4285_copy.jpg
1492521;1467165964;phf;^
1492522;1467165987;mircea_popescu;uh whassat ?
1492523;1467166013;phf;can just do it in this style, doesn't need to be a quality print. just a bunch of shirts with lowres tits
1492524;1467166032;mircea_popescu;you're from like the punk movement arent you.
1492525;1467166057;*;shinohai is nostalgic for those shirts from the 80's where the vinyl flaked off ....
1492526;1467166077;mircea_popescu;o fuck, that was THE best deal of 1992.
1492527;1467166142;mircea_popescu;buy thermotransfer crap in turkey, for like 10 bux a pile of 100, sell them for like ten bucks a pop. "advanced!"
1492528;1467166166;phf;"got some business going"
1492529;1467166207;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder how eeurope'd have looked today had the soviets managed to dredge on.
1492530;1467166311;*;asciilifeform had to look up 'downshifting'
1492531;1467166337;phf;$s downshifting
1492532;1467166337;a111;7 results for "downshifting", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=downshifting
1492533;1467166360;asciilifeform;and aha we dun have a nubsy no moar so no shirtz.
1492534;1467166363;mircea_popescu;$up meau`
1492535;1467166363;deedbot;meau` voiced for 30 minutes.
1492536;1467166482;mircea_popescu;in other news, brexit cost the robo-lizzard-hitler club ~2.1 trillion in notionals.
1492537;1467166495;mircea_popescu;ie, more than the 2008 crisis.
1492538;1467166521;asciilifeform;wtf does it mean to 'cost' the folks with the printing press something.
1492539;1467166527;asciilifeform;they still have same # of turkeys.
1492540;1467166531;mircea_popescu;yes yes.
1492541;1467166541;mircea_popescu;notionals are now slightly smaller than afore ?
1492542;1467166555;asciilifeform;that's called 'devaluation' neh?
1492543;1467166559;asciilifeform;like ruble
1492544;1467166579;mircea_popescu;more like de-posturation ?
1492545;1467166588;asciilifeform;~=
1492546;1467167035;mod6;;;bc,stats
1492547;1467167037;gribble;Current Blocks: 418439 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 888 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1492548;1467167226;mod6;wow. remember 1M?
1492549;1467167855;mod6;ok that was interesting.  at some point tb0t got bounced out -- but it was *still* logging from here.
1492550;1467167858;mod6;o.O
1492551;1467167885;mod6;oh, it just got devoiced.
1492552;1467167887;mod6;ok
1492553;1467168048;mircea_popescu;wb.
1492554;1467171191;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62660 << lulzy
1492555;1467171309;BingoBoingo;Eh, that's just detail lulz
1492556;1467171490;asciilifeform;a q for BingoBoingo :
1492557;1467171502;asciilifeform;lafond mentions a map of bmore he annotated
1492558;1467171507;asciilifeform;where is it?
1492559;1467171528;BingoBoingo;I haven't seen it. Perhaps requires javascript?
1492560;1467171553;asciilifeform;alluded to in comments of http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4264
1492561;1467171560;BingoBoingo;Maybe ask him in comments for url?
1492562;1467171887;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62660 << check it out, qntra worthy of its own pinoy dept nao ? who could have predicted!
1492563;1467172458;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: found it, http://www.jameslafond.com/btg
1492564;1467172465;BingoBoingo;oh, ty
1492565;1467172593;mircea_popescu;"north and south ok, east and west bad, diagonals in between"
1492566;1467172866;asciilifeform;unsurprisingly the cheap boxes are in the free-fire zone
1492567;1467173079;mircea_popescu;rather than a bs "here's some colors because we're from the special needs kindergarten", could "the baltimore expert guy" instead provide a heatmap with all the murders, stabbings, whatnot ? could have a little card, date, people involved, etc.
1492568;1467173091;mircea_popescu;police still publishes these i imagine. day and half worth of intern's time.
1492569;1467173174;mircea_popescu;(yes, /me suspects he's ~mostly eating shit. baltimore homicide rate still the same 30ish / 100k it's anywhere else ; rape with violence the same 40, robbery the same 500, assault the same 500, etc.)
1492570;1467173224;mircea_popescu;now, it's true that baltimore was scoring ~400 homicides / 100k, which IS notable, though perhaps a tad short for what he's depicting. nevertheless - that was in the early 90s.
1492571;1467173226;asciilifeform;these are elsewhere
1492572;1467173243;asciilifeform;b00lcrap had one
1492573;1467173258;trinque;asciilifeform │ wtf does it mean to 'cost' the folks with the printing press something. << same as it cost whatever fake "elite" zimbabwe had, but more spectacularly?
1492574;1467173354;mircea_popescu;ftr, new york is also at ~30 homicides / 100k.
1492575;1467173498;mircea_popescu;trinque nah, zimbabwe borrows in dollars.
1492576;1467173594;trinque;his $turkeys are all assets that aren't
1492577;1467173756;trinque;they own the same number of lockheed martins and johnson and johnson's, and this is separate and untouchable, meanwhile the currency that flows through their veins evaporates?
1492578;1467173765;trinque;this is nonsense
1492579;1467173786;asciilifeform;the numbers are not so interesting
1492580;1467173796;asciilifeform;low on account of meat depletion.
1492581;1467173867;trinque;some of the people at the "top" of the US economy might survive just like some in the USSR did
1492582;1467173869;trinque;most wont
1492583;1467173914;trinque;or does some consumer products company somehow "pivot" to surviving a situation where consumers don't have money
1492584;1467173928;trinque;and if not, then the "wealth" of most of those lizards vanishes
1492585;1467173930;asciilifeform;trinque: you'd be surprised
1492586;1467173951;asciilifeform;~somebody~ always has money.
1492587;1467174097;trinque;gotta have trade volume to sustain a market
1492588;1467174107;trinque;you can't just have infinite turkeys and nothing moving
1492589;1467174257;trinque;wealth has both to do with what you have and also what you can get for it
1492590;1467174273;trinque;you've observed some things can't be had for any price depending on the configuration of the world at that time
1492591;1467174285;trinque;or at all, if the ask is a poorly formed question
1492592;1467174392;asciilifeform;http://crimebaltimore.com << but scam. the 'shootings' in particular -- they have these automated detectors, one cannot infer that ~somebody~ caught the bullet
1492593;1467174405;trinque;as their ability to wield economic activity in the world declines, they grow smaller and less powerful
1492594;1467174422;trinque;this is the fucking definition of power
1492595;1467175570;*;adlai waves
1492596;1467175580;trinque;ohey, you're alive
1492597;1467175585;trinque;how goes?
1492598;1467175596;adlai;live but krazy!
1492599;1467175652;adlai;it's worth taking antipsychotics for the amazing clarity you get once you stop taking them
1492600;1467175686;mats;i'm sorry to hear that
1492601;1467175729;adlai;i'm glad to have stopped! and have found again the motivation to bitcoin
1492602;1467175767;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDdzPzk-e-U << I've never heard a worse bunch of dickless cucks.
1492603;1467175777;adlai;it also helps that bitcoin has found the motivation to do the dance again, timed well with my asylum exit
1492604;1467175803;trinque;now try not frying yourself with acid or whatever
1492605;1467175825;trinque;or do, and explain to asciilifeform what can happen when you over-leverage yourself
1492606;1467175847;trinque;"but my true worth is denominated in the love of god!"
1492607;1467176040;adlai;my true worth, unlike my net worth, is denominated in TruCoin (tm) (c,) (r) (coming soon to an altcoin daemon near you!)
1492608;1467176191;*;adlai studies https://online-go.com/puzzle/2907 (HTML5 turd containing the first third of Cho Chikun's "Encyclopedia of Life & Death")
1492609;1467176259;adlai;if you're new at this - the whole point is to do the trial and error in your head. if the computer move surprises you, you have to hit reset and stare at the setup for another fifteen seconds
1492610;1467176264;trinque;this "EU parliament" room is terrible, looks like a shitty state college lecture hall
1492611;1467176280;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492578 << not so much nonsense. currency has a major future-looking function.
1492612;1467176280;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 04:16 trinque: this is nonsense
1492613;1467176385;mircea_popescu;this was true even in the old days of gold coins. consider the case of two neighbouring countries, each with the same exact mirror arrangements, same pop count, same 100 tons of gold total, circulating as 100mn 1gram pieces.
1492614;1467176385;trinque;if I had 40 billion turkey dollars and suddenly had to divest from USD denominated assets and companies that relied on consumer spending, where would I go?
1492615;1467176421;mircea_popescu;the half to the left gets attacked by the huns ; the half to the right has some derp discover the indies and goes into trade mode, florence style.
1492616;1467176452;mircea_popescu;now, the average coin piece in the left changes hands once a year. for safety. this means the circulation (ie, notional market, in the primitive sense this works then) is ~100mn pcs/year.
1492617;1467176471;mircea_popescu;meanwhile on the right, each coin piece changes hands once a week. for trade! thismeans the circulation is about 5bn pcs/year
1492618;1467176479;mircea_popescu;suddenly you can appreciate the macrofinance problems.
1492619;1467176535;mircea_popescu;when people get excited the "monetary mass" (which is not directly equivalent to the pedestrian notion of money) expands. when people flee to safety, it contracts.
1492620;1467176576;mircea_popescu;and all this happens without any sort of cheating needed or implied.
1492621;1467176597;trinque;yep. what I question is how a massive contraction, in a situation where it's *all* notional and wtf is actually valuable, would *not* harm lizard whoever.
1492622;1467176629;mircea_popescu;well, that's problematic, in no small part because of the traditional villain "ha-ha! it was my plan all along!"
1492623;1467176773;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492583 << actually that happened in the 90s. all the jam tomorrow "web as a business" "venture capital" bs is exactly that - pivoting to try and survive the situation where consumers don't have money. pretend data is valuable and someone cares, pretend advertising is a business, get people to "invest" in this nonsense, it's a thing.
1492624;1467176773;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 04:18 trinque: or does some consumer products company somehow "pivot" to surviving a situation where consumers don't have money
1492625;1467176792;trinque;yeah, pivoting towards death, not out of the way of it
1492626;1467176808;mircea_popescu;myeah. it's a thing looking just about ready to deflate worth a trn or two.
1492627;1467177319;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492599 << - >> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-15#1132722
1492628;1467177319;a111;Logged on 2015-05-15 04:41 mircea_popescu: there is that rabi and goats story, but no.
1492629;1467177319;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 04:47 adlai: it's worth taking antipsychotics for the amazing clarity you get once you stop taking them
1492630;1467177664;adlai;exactly this. the neuroleptic goat has its place alongside the tolerance break and other shirts of assorted hairyness
1492631;1467177901;mircea_popescu;"One cannot imagine Ethereum community doing nothing in response to an existential hack. Doing nothing would say we lack courage and we let thieves walk away with their loot. HF is a must now. The community is reaching a new consensus."
1492632;1467177914;mircea_popescu;ethereum community reads more and more like paycoin community.
1492633;1467177918;mircea_popescu;anyone remember paycoin ?
1492634;1467177956;mircea_popescu;anyway. existential hacks!
1492635;1467177958;adlai;honestly, why even bother with a fork at this point. just reset the testnet, call it "The Next Frontier"
1492636;1467177972;mircea_popescu;adlai forced mistakes ; long string thereof.
1492637;1467177989;adlai;this is the cheapest fix: reset the chain
1492638;1467178003;adlai;it's what testnet does whenever it gets too fucked
1492639;1467178018;adlai;and ethereum is a billion dollar testnet
1492640;1467178043;mircea_popescu;lol. "billion" dollar. currently usg self-trading on poloniex just about 99.999%
1492641;1467178096;adlai;sure. but this "usg" is still a bunch of smart muppets scamming the stupid muppets, money is changing hands
1492642;1467178124;mircea_popescu;nope, not really. pretty much one single party wash-trading.
1492643;1467178124;adlai;but i agree with you in the sense of "coin moves from stupid pocket to smart"
1492644;1467178150;mircea_popescu;the stupid consist of cents and dimes, sum to a thousand dollars if that.
1492645;1467178198;adlai;the truly stupid suddenly remember last week to forget their presale password. true story (not mine)
1492646;1467178223;adlai;but it reminded me of "anton_osika"! remember anton, kids?
1492647;1467178227;adlai;don't be anton.
1492648;1467179176;BingoBoingo;Nah anton forgot his contract with mp signing key
1492649;1467188090;adlai;misplacing a key and misremembering a password are the same class of fuckup
1492650;1467188347;*;adlai told his shrink, as an example of "delusions", about ''meta-#ba''
1492651;1467188374;*;adlai told his #t, as an example of "truth" (Schemers Hate Him!), about ''shrink''
1492652;1467191918;*;ben_vulpes went to procure a server today (8 cores! 3.33 ghz! 32 gb of ram! probably the heaviest individual slice of computronium i've ever hefted) to find that it was previously operated by a local company of some amount of repute.
1492653;1467191972;ben_vulpes;while picking delicately through the trash in the 2br housing lord only knows how many ops monkeys it came up that the machine was in no way deprovisioned.
1492654;1467192037;ben_vulpes;i am torn - on one hand, this is a marvelously spiffy box. on the other - what treasures might lie on those hdds?!
1492655;1467202164;thestringpuller;https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0075.mediawiki << The first of many AML/KYC improvements proposed by derps to add to bitcoin.
1492656;1467208901;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492654 >> << http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/cff36f92-0107-4529-95d2-89ba47848a3a/?raw=true
1492657;1467208901;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 09:20 ben_vulpes: i am torn - on one hand, this is a marvelously spiffy box. on the other - what treasures might lie on those hdds?!
1492658;1467208901;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1492659;1467209139;shinohai;https://github.com/ethcore/parity/pull/1483/files   The dao is still down -12.19 %. Here's a provisional hard fork to make it all better.
1492660;1467211749;asciilifeform;assert_eq!(a.code_hash().hex(), "af231e631776a517ca23125370d542873eca1fb4d613ed9b5d5335a46ae5b7eb"); << l0l!
1492661;1467212045;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492655 << gold!11 'permissioned payment'
1492662;1467212045;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 12:09 thestringpuller: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0075.mediawiki << The first of many AML/KYC improvements proposed by derps to add to bitcoin.
1492663;1467212055;asciilifeform;'slow paypal'
1492664;1467212594;deedbot;[Qntra] Microsoft Withdraws Paid Fitness App, Existing Users To Lose Access - http://qntra.net/2016/06/microsoft-withdraws-paid-fitness-app-existing-users-to-lose-access/
1492665;1467213473;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492472 << to truly round up yesterday's derp list, one has to mention the dejavu "security" team (aptly named, seriously, we've seen this nonsense more than enough times before from the sort of posturing idiots without a wot presence) : akshay aggarwal, "a passionate entrepreneur", adam cecchetti, "ceo", michael eddington, "cto", see https://archive.is/JqJos
1492666;1467213473;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 22:19 mircea_popescu: and to round the lolz farm, " The code was open-sourced on March 3rd, so experts had almost two months to find vulnerabilities before it was deployed. It was also audited (at an alleged cost of $250k) by the same firm that audited geth before the frontier launch." (you remember, by the "dejavu" derps, that proud scion of bitcoin security of bitcoinica days. https://archive.is/yZ0ke )
1492667;1467213532;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: typically this 'audit for hire' crapolade is simply meat-powered 'lint'
1492668;1467213534;asciilifeform;(if that.)
1492669;1467213618;asciilifeform;strangely enough, afaik the only folks who can afford the Real Deal are - usg. but in this case they skimped ? go figure.
1492670;1467213653;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, ethereum itself is brought to you by ming chan, "an mit alumna", vitalik buterin, which you no doubt remember as an obscure bitcoin punk, jeffrey wilcke, bernd lapp ("bern lapp's background and experience in management experience spawns many years"), stefano bertolo, yessin schiegg, willioam mougayar, thomas greco (omise), and vladislav martynov.  see https://archive.is/Se89j
1492671;1467213738;asciilifeform;'Stefano Bertolo is a civil servant advising the Foundation in a strictly personal capacity with the formal permission of his employer. ' << holy shit, srs?
1492672;1467213743;asciilifeform;right in the bio?
1492673;1467213748;mircea_popescu;and to not forget the various other usg tools with a more remote, disavowed involvement : gavin andresen, emin gun sirer, and a whole list of various derps who unilaterally claim involvement : amir chetrit, anthony di iorio, gavin woon, joseph lubin etc,
1492674;1467213853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'Всіх панів до 'дної ями, Буржуїв за буржуями. Будем, будем бить! Будем, будем бить!' (tm) (r) (Павло Тичина)
1492675;1467213904;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the minj chick is the equivalent of the akshay aggarwal doofus. recall the fabulous case of the famous mr chowdhry http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-15#1324477 ? or the fascinating case of mr bharara http://qntra.net/2015/04/judge-preet-bhararas-brinkmanship-endangers-fair-trials/ ? or the betrayer shkreli ?
1492676;1467213904;a111;Logged on 2015-11-15 00:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty/finance/faculty/chowdhry << in case you're wondering what the vermin usg has created looks like.
1492677;1467213917;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/88eaf4d7-8a7b-4eb5-9864-7d07c84267d0/?raw=true
1492678;1467213918;mircea_popescu;it's an underclass of capons the empire is promoting, the equivalent of the roman libertus.
1492679;1467213989;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ah, snore.
1492680;1467213992;mircea_popescu;they're usually central/east asians for a good reason : the "government is all things" mentality is not commonly found outside of that shithole. there, it's part of the culture.
1492681;1467214018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i worked with these folks for many years.
1492682;1467214023;asciilifeform;it is precisely as mircea_popescu describes.
1492683;1467214041;mircea_popescu;aha. usually they start as http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491735 and advance from there.
1492684;1467214041;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 00:29 asciilifeform: (politruk)
1492685;1467214052;asciilifeform;though not this
1492686;1467214074;asciilifeform;at least in asciilifeform's experience, these folks are entirely disjoint with the 'sexism politruk' etc. business
1492687;1467214077;asciilifeform;strictly technical
1492688;1467214080;asciilifeform;tunnel vision to the max
1492689;1467214094;mircea_popescu;eh, the ones that start in engineering / actual work roles usually end up "managing" a project/team, not really selected for chen minjness.
1492690;1467214103;asciilifeform;aha them
1492691;1467214118;mircea_popescu;still the same substance. i entertain no distinction.
1492692;1467214144;mircea_popescu;so drone wants to be ant rather than bee. whoopee. still drone.
1492693;1467214299;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492644 << amusingly, judging by the comment count on the official announcement of the latest blunder ("for best results running our fix for the attack - please don't run it at all!"), even 1k total seems exaggerated. ethereum is dead as disco, will take at least 6 months to re-inflate. prolly more like 18. and i somehow doubt the "many years spanned by experience in experience" people have t
1492694;1467214299;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 05:29 mircea_popescu: the stupid consist of cents and dimes, sum to a thousand dollars if that.
1492695;1467214299;mircea_popescu;he attention span.
1492696;1467214309;mircea_popescu;so we'll be hit by a new raft of faces with bios and empty heads.
1492697;1467214329;asciilifeform;not as if there is any shortage of these.
1492698;1467214376;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491353 << can be had by the 100s for 100s.
1492699;1467214376;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 18:17 phf: you get a balmore workshop not because it's a conan thing to do, but because you're insane and need to paint astral vaginas whether or not there's market for it, and you can afford to pay $90/mo (sometimes late) for your apartment and $100/mo (mostly late) for your studio
1492700;1467214461;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where ?
1492701;1467214480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same place you get the young whores. hipster part of town.
1492702;1467214513;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: free-standing box ? nope
1492703;1467214521;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1492704;1467214525;asciilifeform;or is this a 'seekrit evidence', 'your prices are not the real prices!1111' thing
1492705;1467214537;mircea_popescu;i think the convo might have spliced. what do you mean ?
1492706;1467214546;asciilifeform;the 'baltimore workshops' thread
1492707;1467214590;asciilifeform;a couple days ago i did experiment, 'what is the cheapest box one can buy title to in bmore, where the roof is intact and inside is not full of vermin and rubble'
1492708;1467214597;asciilifeform;it ended in a very interesting place, btw
1492709;1467214606;mircea_popescu;this is not what was contemplated at all, is it now.
1492710;1467214613;asciilifeform;a few dozen folks promising to return call, and 0 did.
1492711;1467214616;mircea_popescu;title ? none of these people ever had or wish to ever have title to anything.
1492712;1467214629;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought you were getting merged visits and stuff ?
1492713;1467214636;asciilifeform;was ~promised~
1492714;1467214639;asciilifeform;see, difference.
1492715;1467214652;mircea_popescu;problem is they might have figured you're not in the demo.
1492716;1467214652;asciilifeform;five tonnes of promise, 0 gram of goodz.
1492717;1467214657;asciilifeform;aha!!!
1492718;1467214659;asciilifeform;was my thought.
1492719;1467214662;asciilifeform;and pet's
1492720;1467214663;mircea_popescu;which really, you aren't.
1492721;1467214670;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1492722;1467214682;mircea_popescu;so then what's all this to do with what we were discussing.
1492723;1467214696;asciilifeform;well real estate is supposedly this thing that you can buy with money
1492724;1467214703;asciilifeform;like so many tonnes of bauxite
1492725;1467214705;mircea_popescu;for some values of you and money.
1492726;1467214726;mircea_popescu;if the log scatters of discussions of my buys hasn't illuminated the matter yet lol.
1492727;1467214735;mircea_popescu;and you can't buy bauxite, either.
1492728;1467214747;asciilifeform;i beg to differ.
1492729;1467214760;asciilifeform;but yes some items are prolly only available by the megatonne.
1492730;1467214763;asciilifeform;(si fab etc.)
1492731;1467214766;mircea_popescu;not so : they'll ask where you want it delivered, you'll give a residential address, they'll drop the inquiry.
1492732;1467214776;mircea_popescu;no warehouse, no bauxite.
1492733;1467214786;asciilifeform;so i get them in my corp addr.
1492734;1467214790;asciilifeform;sop.
1492735;1467214809;mircea_popescu;people who do shipping know where proper loading docks are. you don't give them one of those, you don't trade.
1492736;1467214830;mircea_popescu;and forget stuff like bauxite. you can't have as much as a truckload of books delivered by printer.
1492737;1467214836;asciilifeform;i beg to differ.
1492738;1467214845;asciilifeform;but i see the general point.
1492739;1467214852;asciilifeform;can't take delivery of plutonium here, no.
1492740;1467214863;mircea_popescu;well, what can i tell you. if he uses proper truck is likely unionized, and if he is, he can't do it even if he wants to.
1492741;1467214906;asciilifeform;but to briefly return to thread, who the hell ARE they for
1492742;1467214914;mircea_popescu;they what ?
1492743;1467214920;asciilifeform;lafond's 'big mama' sure as fuck isn't buying 25k houses
1492744;1467214930;asciilifeform;she rents 'section 8'-compatible flat
1492745;1467214955;mircea_popescu;ah, the demo ? usually, russian immigrants, old white guys with a history of dealing with criminals for whatever reason (pond shop owner, public defender, etc)
1492746;1467214968;mircea_popescu;they buy the stuff, run the rookery, usually make a thin profit.
1492747;1467214968;shinohai;http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/29/misty-snow-and-misty-plowright-two-transgender-can/   <<< If they win, which restroom will they use?
1492748;1467214993;asciilifeform;and how did the banks know that i ain't sufficiently many of these things ?
1492749;1467215003;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think of it as the equivalent of mining for street power blockchain
1492750;1467215014;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because you called them.
1492751;1467215041;mircea_popescu;if the question "who is this guy" forms, and the answer is not on a post-it on monitor, you're not in the demo.
1492752;1467215051;asciilifeform;so as i suspected, the front door is a sham
1492753;1467215061;mircea_popescu;what front door isn't ever a sham ?
1492754;1467215063;asciilifeform;and exists to satisfy some obscure bureaucratic tickbox
1492755;1467215079;mircea_popescu;no, it exists because walled off storefronts don't look good.
1492756;1467215089;asciilifeform;~=
1492757;1467215117;mircea_popescu;anyway. if you run one of these you run it because you want a steady supply of whores and thugs, not because you expect roi on the rents.
1492758;1467215134;mircea_popescu;and if you end up buying for the wrong reasons on the wrong expectations you'll have to be killed.
1492759;1467215147;mircea_popescu;so basically... thank the bank. saved your life, and saved the city a grease spot removal bill.
1492760;1467215180;mircea_popescu;banks never get any credit.
1492761;1467215187;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu might have a somewhat distorted picture of bmore. most of these boxes aren't mega-profitable dens of vice, but empty and full of rubble.
1492762;1467215196;mircea_popescu;so ?
1492763;1467215203;mircea_popescu;what, most hashes don't produce anything either.
1492764;1467215203;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: dead as disco << hey. hey. disco is kinda cool. daft punk's newest album is straight disco.
1492765;1467215217;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller everything comes back, it's the law of the zombie : it pops.
1492766;1467215276;thestringpuller;"A wise man once said that nothing really dies. It just comes back in a new form. Then he died. So, next time you see a lowly salamander, think twice before you step on it; it might be you."
1492767;1467215301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform empty and full of rubble does wonders to keep hopes down (and hope, expectation of future, TRULY is the mind eater for usians. be hopeless, you win.) and officious intermeddlers at a distance sufficient to breed actual people with some frequency.
1492768;1467215325;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] From the scammer files: Anthony Di Iorio. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/29/from-the-scammer-files-anthony-di-iorio/
1492769;1467215326;asciilifeform;this bizarro world where ghetto rats are 'actual people' is an interesting place.
1492770;1467215359;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the rats themselves, no. but actual people, you'll find there rather than in office parking lot, or at nsa building, or working the cubical.
1492771;1467215383;asciilifeform;this may be.
1492772;1467215447;mircea_popescu;usually easier to educate a willful person than trying to insuflate will into an educated person.
1492773;1467215567;asciilifeform;at any rate i'm still convinced that the electric fence must have a hole in it somewhere.
1492774;1467215580;asciilifeform;and if not - can carve one.
1492775;1467215590;mircea_popescu;well - this is not true generally, thinking about it. but for me, it is way the fuck easier. and i'd expect it'd be the same for everyone who a) is familiar with the environment, and by familiar we mean that, feels at home in the ghetto and is respected in prison ; b) is familiar with the categories of education. which is different from being educated, it requires mastership of the gnosis, that position where you wrote the bo
1492776;1467215590;mircea_popescu;ok.
1492777;1467215594;mircea_popescu;altogether a tall bar.
1492778;1467215609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform methinks you're using the wrong tools for an ill defined purpose.
1492779;1467215621;asciilifeform;well all i got is the wrong tool
1492780;1467215633;mircea_popescu;start at the purpose. what are you trying to do again ?
1492781;1467215637;asciilifeform;0 rent.
1492782;1467215690;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-23#1382256 <<
1492783;1467215690;a111;Logged on 2016-01-23 03:40 mircea_popescu: the people who don't care if they life or die either live or die. the people who do care - end up paying rent to the ones that live.
1492784;1467215704;asciilifeform;well yes
1492785;1467215704;mircea_popescu;there's exactly 1 way to 0 rent.
1492786;1467215713;asciilifeform;so experimented with upping them millimorts
1492787;1467215725;mircea_popescu;there isn't a "upping the milimorts". you gotta NOT CARE.
1492788;1467215732;mircea_popescu;what, you're gonna hedge it ?
1492789;1467215735;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1492790;1467215781;thestringpuller;so isn't it a bit odd that Slock.It is refusing to release the security audit of The DAO? It really looks as if this is straight up MtGox 2.0. Pretty sure someone inside slock.it hacked the DAO and got a huge payoff.
1492791;1467215801;thestringpuller;scammers never die. just return in different forms.
1492792;1467215820;mircea_popescu;certainly possible. class action suit ? :D
1492793;1467215822;mircea_popescu;ask teh reddit.
1492794;1467215827;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'not care' thing is a pretense - the folks who properly, full throttle 'not care' , ate nagant.
1492795;1467215834;mircea_popescu;not true, no.
1492796;1467215846;asciilifeform;or snackbar.
1492797;1467215862;mircea_popescu;or just you know, impregnate guard-strippers in "penitentiary"
1492798;1467215872;mircea_popescu;or whatever else. but in any case - collect all rents.
1492799;1467215916;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's picture is a thermodynamic equilibrium. where we lived in perhaps 17th c.
1492800;1467215925;asciilifeform;where i live is more of a wheat field
1492801;1467215941;asciilifeform;where quite a few unnatural things abound, on account of various technogenic disasters
1492802;1467215964;asciilifeform;it will eventually return to mircea_popescu's model, yes.
1492803;1467215968;mircea_popescu;the correct model is the correct model. before you may claim exception you must master the model.
1492804;1467215985;mircea_popescu;otherwise you're in the position of a schoolyard lout who seeks to absolve his ungrammatical "poetry" on the grounds that shakespeare.
1492805;1467215996;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu train his army men on spartan bronze sword and 'testudo' ?
1492806;1467216008;asciilifeform;^ these ~are~ the 'ecologically sustainable' war, no?
1492807;1467216009;mircea_popescu;the model is not a matter of random implementation thereof.
1492808;1467216022;mircea_popescu;not particularly. there isn't any form that's perpetual. ideas are ; forms change.
1492809;1467216035;mircea_popescu;attempting formal immortality is a good definition of ustardism.
1492810;1467216047;mircea_popescu;their fundamental idea that "if i don't swear i'll go to heaven" is entirely built of this stupidium
1492811;1467216573;mircea_popescu;in practical terms, asciilifeform i'd say you'd be a lot more benefited by somehow retaining the loyalty and services of an old whore that knows how to negotiate rents ; than by trying to become warlord.
1492812;1467216602;asciilifeform;i want mechanism
1492813;1467216603;asciilifeform;not meat.
1492814;1467216619;mircea_popescu;then build my pdf ocr trained thing.
1492815;1467216631;mircea_popescu;there can never be mechanism here.
1492816;1467216656;asciilifeform;my profession is to mechanize the 'unmechanizable'
1492817;1467216669;asciilifeform;recall the cutting-apart thread
1492818;1467216679;mircea_popescu;the doctor's profession is to cure the curable, not the incurable, and not "the sick".
1492819;1467216700;mircea_popescu;understanding this first point is what even allows the doctor to be A DOCTOR, ie, professional. as opposed to amateur, ie, quack.
1492820;1467216722;asciilifeform;who gets to define 'curable'
1492821;1467216730;mircea_popescu;as long as you expect your profession to be what you say, you're necessarily an amateur, looking at magazine depictions of fthe profession in question
1492822;1467216736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform curable is defined ex post facto.
1492823;1467216889;mircea_popescu;ie, if you manage to cure it, it was curable. otherwise, no. but note that the people who invent cures aren't PROPER doctors.
1492824;1467216898;asciilifeform;correct
1492825;1467216901;mircea_popescu;oft they manage to imbibe the professional trappings, but oft this also kills them\
1492826;1467216909;asciilifeform;i have no aspirations to proper-doctoritude.
1492827;1467216911;mircea_popescu;if you're looking to invent cures, quacks are pretty good at it too.
1492828;1467216916;mircea_popescu;so then it's not your profession.
1492829;1467216928;asciilifeform;strictly speaking, mircea_popescu is right.
1492830;1467216982;asciilifeform;in related nyooz, i have Luby Transform working.
1492831;1467217027;asciilifeform;$s fountain code
1492832;1467217027;a111;6 results for "fountain code", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fountain%20code
1492833;1467217275;mats;i got around to sanitizing and interpreting the csv in http://www.fjc.gov/history/home.nsf/page/export.html
1492834;1467217314;mats;Wilson, Charles	born 1954, U.S. Magistrate Judge, U.S. District Court, Middle District of Florida, 1990-1994
1492835;1467217324;mats;is the only eligible fella missing from my list
1492836;1467217419;mircea_popescu;o really ?! wow.
1492837;1467217435;mircea_popescu;what about the california guy hanbot found ?
1492838;1467217439;mircea_popescu;what was his name
1492839;1467217469;mircea_popescu;1 qualifies and is not on list (Clinton Averitte)
1492840;1467217575;mats;Clinton Averitte born 1948, U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas 1987 - present
1492841;1467217599;mats;he'd have been 45 in 93
1492842;1467218297;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re the bmore thread, it appears to be a continuation of my childhood education, where i saw silver ruble coinz on occasion, but strictly glued to the asphalt with the recently imported cyanoacrylate
1492843;1467218365;asciilifeform;'if it were detachable, the last you passing by would have carried it off'
1492844;1467218827;mircea_popescu;mats oh i c! interesting how that came out then.
1492845;1467218845;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how's this relate you mean ?
1492846;1467218860;asciilifeform;related to quackery
1492847;1467218878;mircea_popescu;yeah but ?
1492848;1467218883;asciilifeform;nm
1492849;1467218912;asciilifeform;(it was crucial missing piece for gossipd)
1492850;1467218922;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1492851;1467219034;asciilifeform;transform arbitrary byte array B into generator of datagrams, where you can collect N in any order, and N weights <= 2B, to re-create B
1492852;1467219116;asciilifeform;satellite tv outfits use a somewhat more efficient - but ~considerably~ more complex - version of luby
1492853;1467219184;asciilifeform;alert reader will realize that this abolishes tcp.
1492854;1467219270;asciilifeform;(tcp, that massive barrel of liquishit, was designed before the discovery of luby code - or any of the subsequent 'fountain' algos)
1492855;1467219310;mircea_popescu;ah ah, luby
1492856;1467219325;asciilifeform;(and yes you can do blockchain over shortwave. after learning this algo, and not before)
1492857;1467220728;mircea_popescu;so it pains me to admit that i just invented the world's first vodka cocktail.
1492858;1467220745;mircea_popescu;"take a shot of every vodka in the house, pour in glass, stir. add twist of gin. serve."
1492859;1467221409;thestringpuller;hearn sold at $400 / btc >> http://i.imgur.com/Y2n6gbN.jpeg
1492860;1467221523;mircea_popescu;you know the various trollboxes are full of redditards with things to say. what's so special about this one.
1492861;1467221680;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492856   <<< this greatly interests shinohai
1492862;1467221680;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 16:55 asciilifeform: (and yes you can do blockchain over shortwave. after learning this algo, and not before)
1492863;1467222290;phf;there's two spooks discussing "good old times" couple of tables away from me at some empty diner in maryland
1492864;1467222416;trinque;phf: write something incomprehensible on a napkin and drop it in front of them as you leave
1492865;1467228348;deedbot;[Trilema] Alexa.com or the "measurable web" delusion. - http://trilema.com/2016/alexacom-or-the-measurable-web-delusion/
1492866;1467228877;phf;there you go again, applying maths and stuff. graph! number! how hard is it to get??
1492867;1467228884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/alexacom-or-the-measurable-web-delusion/#comment-117862
1492868;1467229221;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform answer't.
1492869;1467229260;mircea_popescu;but since the answer's not that readily translatable, let's delve. "x de y" is a very common pattern of early childhoold romanian construction, so much so that it's a byword for infantilism.
1492870;1467229280;mircea_popescu;so blog de internet, "blog of internet", there's that.
1492871;1467229314;mircea_popescu;and "care este" is a typical form of uneducated ro usage, particularly favoured in the mudplains around bucharest. a sort of pop-philosophy turned verbal automatism.
1492872;1467229323;mircea_popescu;so therefore! yes i will! because yes i can!
1492873;1467229372;mircea_popescu;phf ikr! i lack the background and experience in management experience, is the problem.
1492874;1467229468;phf;the fact that you run shell scripts on your data basically disqualifies you from participating in management. you're supposed to leverage, that shell script is $500k initial investment ruby on rails project
1492875;1467229491;asciilifeform;l0l
1492876;1467229504;mircea_popescu;oh damn
1492877;1467229542;asciilifeform;'we do what we must, because we can!' (tm) (r) ('portal')
1492878;1467231055;mircea_popescu;anyway, the only possible conclusion is that ~nobody went to school.
1492879;1467231131;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other lulz, http://www.blockalerts.com/all/why-ethereum-needs-dumb-contracts/
1492880;1467231234;ben_vulpes;phf: triggered
1492881;1467232212;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492851 << for any size b ?
1492882;1467232212;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 16:50 asciilifeform: transform arbitrary byte array B into generator of datagrams, where you can collect N in any order, and N weights <= 2B, to re-create B
1492883;1467232236;mircea_popescu;ie can we finally get rid of the concept of "packet" altogether ?
1492884;1467232322;mircea_popescu;and in news along the same lines, i give you the happy fucktoy! http://67.media.tumblr.com/beba5f40e4fd5dffb4ac36af1a322a74/tumblr_o1e33y8C5w1uc36mco1_500.gif
1492885;1467232546;shinohai;yummy
1492886;1467233085;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmI0i9dWYAIPwSy.jpg
1492887;1467233665;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492883 << very nearly.
1492888;1467233665;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 20:30 mircea_popescu: ie can we finally get rid of the concept of "packet" altogether ?
1492889;1467233749;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or at least make it as relevant and interesting as ethernet frame is
1492890;1467233769;asciilifeform;(how many people can remember off the top of their head, how much ethernet frame weighs)
1492891;1467235065;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and yes for whatever size b
1492892;1467235159;asciilifeform;http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/425456/Your-Digital-Fountain << pictoral explanation, for kindergarten children
1492893;1467236867;phf;oooh oooh ooh 26! with 1500 or under payload
1492894;1467237041;hanbot;so in eulora marketing research i find colorado is a desert for cs --but plenty of "peace studies" majors, and even a "creativity engineering"
1492895;1467237094;asciilifeform;lel piss studies
1492896;1467237356;hanbot;offered online too, 'cause no doubt it's moar peaceful to do nothing in your pjs than to threaten others with the horrid visage of your presence.
1492897;1467237581;phf;asciilifeform: what's your luby transform code written in?
1492898;1467238265;mircea_popescu;lol peace studies
1492899;1467238269;mircea_popescu;$up rdponticelli
1492900;1467238270;deedbot;rdponticelli voiced for 30 minutes.
1492901;1467238323;mircea_popescu;shinohai lol nb. who made it ?
1492902;1467238333;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform win.
1492903;1467238349;shinohai;Some buttcoiner lol
1492904;1467238547;asciilifeform;phf: ada.
1492905;1467238550;*;asciilifeform brb
1492906;1467239511;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] The Power of Women - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-power-of-women/
1492907;1467239511;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] The Last Thing I Needed - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-last-thing-i-needed/
1492908;1467239698;mircea_popescu;"I found myself with a girl under each arm, a scotch in hand, dead center in the front of a crowd observing the fire dancing show taking place during the big Friday night finale of PorcFest XIII. Having ingested both MDMA and LSD1 earlier that evening, I imagined the scene took on a particularly mystical quality."
1492909;1467239713;mircea_popescu;while you're all dicking about, the trishop's doin' all the partying.
1492910;1467239755;danielpbarron;l0l
1492911;1467239780;trinque;check out buddy christ
1492912;1467239868;mircea_popescu;then he wonders what is porcfest about anymore. gee whiz, i dunno.
1492913;1467240323;mircea_popescu;in other cargo cunt lulz, http://insidemydirtyfilthymind.tumblr.com/post/113320480712/sex-doll-latex-lucy
1492914;1467240332;mircea_popescu;especially the part where he auscultates the pubis.
1492915;1467240624;pete_dushenski;$rated shinohai
1492916;1467240624;deedbot;pete_dushenski rated shinohai 1 at 3656830618 << retired, not a retard https://youtu.be/DDW4hTWbRYs?t=19m25s
1492917;1467240664;shinohai;There are many job opportunities in the US and of A. For men, construction worker, taxi driver or accountant. For woman, prostitute.
1492918;1467240670;pete_dushenski;$rate shinohai 2 trb tester+navigator
1492919;1467240677;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/1d9bc2ea-3571-4f41-b072-c3a4b9c26baa/
1492920;1467240694;pete_dushenski;$v 3D5A596FBCBADA508CAE71C480CC1DCB0BE91708467ACD28C6B3F11717459A81
1492921;1467240694;deedbot;pete_dushenski updated rating of shinohai from 1 to 2 << trb tester+navigator
1492922;1467240713;shinohai;ty pete_dushenski and congrats on getting that patched ;)
1492923;1467240833;pete_dushenski;twas well overdue
1492924;1467240843;pete_dushenski;$rated funkenstein_
1492925;1467240843;deedbot;pete_dushenski has not rated funkenstein_.
1492926;1467240872;pete_dushenski;$rate funkenstein_ 2 trb privkey patch guy
1492927;1467240879;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/41cdfdfa-d3ee-4489-bdfc-00016cc3afe4/
1492928;1467240897;pete_dushenski;$v 1EF81341390F5BC1FAB1FF9FBF402422AD064B6C89A8525447DD95AF82455016
1492929;1467240897;deedbot;pete_dushenski rated funkenstein_ 2 << trb privkey patch guy
1492930;1467241265;shinohai;http://www.coinfox.info/news/5817-croatian-crypto-enthusiast-creates-ethereum-based-computer-game   <<< It's like Civilization, but with ETHEREUM!!!
1492931;1467241374;pete_dushenski;it's like eulora but with no management
1492932;1467241400;pete_dushenski;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/06/28/researchers-have-found-that-war-has-a-remarkable-and-miraculous-effect/ << from the 'let's gear up for another bloodbath' files
1492933;1467241413;mircea_popescu;heh
1492934;1467241417;pete_dushenski;'violence is interested in you' (tm) (r)
1492935;1467241564;pete_dushenski;https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y60FUvYArHQ/V3NKW6Xcf0I/AAAAAAAAmlA/7RzX6L0Tvt8tkXkTkpVK1tgizTxfWsrZgCLcB/s1600/IMG_1483.JPG << fdr = 'apostle of lasting peace for all mankind' ? lol how could he be remembered as anything other than a wrecker ? a bank robber ? stalin's villainous left hand ?
1492936;1467241781;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492869 << lel. 'uber of molotov cocktails', 'apple of shingles vaccines', etc.
1492937;1467241781;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 19:41 mircea_popescu: but since the answer's not that readily translatable, let's delve. "x de y" is a very common pattern of early childhoold romanian construction, so much so that it's a byword for infantilism.
1492938;1467241794;pete_dushenski;how well the glove fits.
1492939;1467241859;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492670 << ofc i just had to mentioned that mougayar was never in the logs in last contravex. except now he is..
1492940;1467241859;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 15:20 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, ethereum itself is brought to you by ming chan, "an mit alumna", vitalik buterin, which you no doubt remember as an obscure bitcoin punk, jeffrey wilcke, bernd lapp ("bern lapp's background and experience in management experience spawns many years"), stefano bertolo, yessin schiegg, willioam mougayar, thomas greco (omise), and vladislav martynov.  see https://archive.is/Se89j
1492941;1467241867;pete_dushenski;mention*
1492942;1467241911;trinque;about time I updated ratings as well
1492943;1467241914;trinque;$v B9932C444FE727825F0F9CFF57E1C2BC611249B2FE007D7F6E9070A80F375B12
1492944;1467241914;deedbot;trinque updated rating of ben_vulpes from 3 to 4
1492945;1467241916;trinque;$v E460BA438FB164D60C9ADB4FF90FAEE2EC1620BE0A439460298B22B579600AF4
1492946;1467241916;deedbot;trinque updated rating of asciilifeform from 2 to 3
1492947;1467241918;trinque;$v BCB85C95E8DA4C1228931F516883AF0608661BEE36568880A6E8F01EC3D33AF4
1492948;1467241918;deedbot;trinque rated mircea_popescu 3
1492949;1467241920;trinque;$v C6BAB542E1BE1FFEA4911F70EA78E88EF062399D96BBC76038057C0CDF07BF34
1492950;1467241920;deedbot;trinque unrated gabriel_laddel.
1492951;1467241923;pete_dushenski;http://emiguel.econ.berkeley.edu/assets/miguel_research/76/Can-War-Foster-Cooperation_for_NBER.pdf << full paper from wapo link. from ' Journal of Economic Perspectives'
1492952;1467242030;trinque;$v 513A27BB2CB2497137BC6F625BF773585DAB79C8954AE40626ECC1861E02D19A
1492953;1467242030;deedbot;trinque rated shinohai 2
1492954;1467242077;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492527 << up there with burning music cds for kids w/o napster or cd burner for $20(!) when cd cost $1
1492955;1467242077;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 02:09 mircea_popescu: buy thermotransfer crap in turkey, for like 10 bux a pile of 100, sell them for like ten bucks a pop. "advanced!"
1492956;1467242090;pete_dushenski;circa 1999
1492957;1467242114;pete_dushenski;pretty much paid for my g3 tower
1492958;1467242124;trinque;$v 06F0495711D93A823310A408CEB7398420EABAC294A8351FABCC398F6B037C54
1492959;1467242124;deedbot;trinque rated mod6 2
1492960;1467242232;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492480 <--> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-12#1297004
1492961;1467242232;a111;Logged on 2015-10-12 15:02 mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2015#1296856 << china likes us start-up culture and its effects. "never interrupt enemy when making a mistake". traditionally you wouldn't have the gall to pointedly help him, either, but i think mr xi correctly inferred ustardian head too far up ass to even notice.
1492962;1467242232;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 00:34 asciilifeform: what was it mircea_popescu said, 'never interrupt an enemy who is in the middle of fellating his nagant'
1492963;1467242561;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2iYjI265rk << in other "we've made a huge tiny mistake", volkswagen "tdi settlement program" gears up. message from na ceo hinrich woebcken to dealers in video. what a putz. transparent scam to 'sell' new vw units through 'buybacks'.
1492964;1467242595;pete_dushenski;"we've made a huge tiny mistake" news*
1492965;1467242689;shinohai;What's with this eth/dao surge in price, did butterin float more usd into the mess?
1492966;1467242725;pete_dushenski;same fed bucks went into nyse as eth today
1492967;1467242740;pete_dushenski;ethexit fears ? what ethexit fears ?
1492968;1467242747;shinohai;>.<
1492969;1467242906;pete_dushenski;http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/social-security-administration/486410/ << my feefees! y u no make phree monzeez eeeezy peeezzy ??!
1492970;1467243287;mircea_popescu;should have social media administration also btw.
1492971;1467245492;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492926 << realize that he's gone full bore kako since ?
1492972;1467245492;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 22:54 pete_dushenski: $rate funkenstein_ 2 trb privkey patch guy
1492973;1467245493;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1492974;1467245710;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492935 << '40s was the time when agrarian shitholes had the choice - the ones that had a choice - of conversion to fascist industrial power, or to die.
1492975;1467245710;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 23:06 pete_dushenski: https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-y60FUvYArHQ/V3NKW6Xcf0I/AAAAAAAAmlA/7RzX6L0Tvt8tkXkTkpVK1tgizTxfWsrZgCLcB/s1600/IMG_1483.JPG << fdr = 'apostle of lasting peace for all mankind' ? lol how could he be remembered as anything other than a wrecker ? a bank robber ? stalin's villainous left hand ?
1492976;1467245844;asciilifeform;;;later tell trinque do we have any means for ~viewing~ ratings? btcalpha is ~dead (kakotronic)
1492977;1467245844;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1492978;1467245882;trinque;gave psql access to phf to that end
1492979;1467245892;asciilifeform;ah so in progress.
1492980;1467245906;trinque;afaik. phf, if not, lemme know and I'll whip something up
1492981;1467245989;*;shinohai misses btcalpha
1492982;1467246014;trinque;also btw, chars mangled to " in wot are fixed.
1492983;1467246018;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492482 << l0l! the 'battleships' (now 'galaxies') were for sale a few yrs back, even, when i sold mine
1492984;1467246019;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 01:08 phf: "You can buy one or more Urbit stars for $256 - or, TODAY ONLY, only $205."
1492985;1467246026;asciilifeform;'star' is 1/256th of 'galaxy'
1492986;1467246069;asciilifeform;but yes, even then mr mold was quite explicit about making the thing a 'usg-hypoallergenic' altcoin.
1492987;1467246076;asciilifeform;which is when i quit.
1492988;1467246096;asciilifeform;(my 'ship' didn't cost me anything, it was a prize for solving the original puzzle he posted)
1492989;1467247795;trinque;anyone happen to know the message rate limit on freenode?
1492990;1467248649;mod6;quick search doesn't show anything definitive.  but you could always check in #freenode, trinque
1492991;1467248657;trinque;yeh I'll do that
1492992;1467250132;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1492974 << this is actually true, as impolitic as it may seem today.
1492993;1467250132;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 00:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492935 << '40s was the time when agrarian shitholes had the choice - the ones that had a choice - of conversion to fascist industrial power, or to die.
1492994;1467250238;mircea_popescu;trinque iirc it was 1/s
1492995;1467250443;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/YA2
1492996;1467250443;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1492997;1467252805;BingoBoingo;Adventures in Pipe wrench ownership milestone #3 Disassembling everything to the wall, and debating whether or not to wake up reciprocating saw to open wall.
1492998;1467252868;deedbot;[Qntra] US Customs Seeks To Control Social Media Imports - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-customs-seeks-to-control-social-media-imports/
1492999;1467253023;shinohai;Did your vinegar bath help fix the yardsale wrench btw?
1493000;1467253047;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Amazingly.
1493001;1467253061;BingoBoingo;Wrench's bath has been interupted periodically though to work.
1493002;1467253083;BingoBoingo;Has nice African finish now
1493003;1467253156;shinohai;Nice.
1493004;1467253184;shinohai;I used to do the homebrew electrolysis thing to remove rust.
1493005;1467253215;BingoBoingo;Seriously though the power of this thing. With the occasional squirt of PB Blaster no fitting has failed to yeild to patience and pipe wrench.
1493006;1467253312;BingoBoingo;Wrench also has wood on handle wrapped in electrical tape
1493007;1467253318;BingoBoingo;bargain at any price
1493008;1467253468;shinohai;I rather like older tools, don't mod the maintenance. Most tools sold in stores locally are garbage.
1493009;1467253475;shinohai;*mind
1493010;1467253807;BingoBoingo;More seriously though fuck whoever though galvanized iron ought to be used for drains
1493011;1467254035;BingoBoingo;What would have been wrong with 1950's folk using nylon drain pipe while they waited for PVC to arrive?
1493012;1467254712;BingoBoingo;Oh, that's where danielpbarron was. He rediscovered girls.
1493013;1467255270;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1493014;1467255272;gribble;Current Blocks: 418595 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 732 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 23 hours, 30 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1493015;1467255424;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1492971 << for all the times i've heard the exclusively alfian term of art 'kakotronic', it's never quite registered. care to explain like i'm 5 ?
1493016;1467255424;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 00:11 asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492926 << realize that he's gone full bore kako since ?
1493017;1467255444;pete_dushenski;though it's no mega-mystery that funkestein_ has always been an odd duck
1493018;1467255456;pete_dushenski;reading his blog for 2 seconds will tell you that much
1493019;1467255502;pete_dushenski;i'm also assuming that 'full bore kako' and 'kakotronic' are interchangeable here
1493020;1467255557;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1492974 << that's definitely a consideration. worked for japan, germany, russia, us at least. maybe not italy and uk as much.
1493021;1467255557;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 00:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492935 << '40s was the time when agrarian shitholes had the choice - the ones that had a choice - of conversion to fascist industrial power, or to die.
1493022;1467255615;pete_dushenski;$unrate kakobrekla
1493023;1467255631;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/322f3ab0-4ae2-4de4-a5a1-272b3ae6d35c/
1493024;1467255666;pete_dushenski;$v 97C4062F0E8DD46BAB1F32DD8EC73EEEF793458BA8FFE03DC91A46828490AA4B
1493025;1467255666;deedbot;pete_dushenski unrated kakobrekla.
1493026;1467255912;pete_dushenski;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-29/-tesla-solar-wants-to-be-the-apple-store-for-electricity << speaking of the infantile mindset.
1493027;1467255955;pete_dushenski;also, it would appear that musk's scammy usg-funded acquisition of one of his failed enterprises by his other failing enterprise missed the logs.
1493028;1467255988;pete_dushenski;tesla laid out plans to 'acquire' solarcity for $2.86 bn last week
1493029;1467256525;BingoBoingo;Eh, he's just trying to rockefeller the sun
1493030;1467256541;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski didn't work for italy because, in spite of rural shithole, nevertheless delusions of grandeur, and unwarranted impressions that "we've already smoked this joint".
1493031;1467256553;mircea_popescu;uk got ruined by bad money, spanish empire style.
1493032;1467256603;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: 'the verticals and the horizontals'!!1
1493033;1467256665;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: spanish empire style ? i'm ignorant of this style
1493034;1467256711;mircea_popescu;it's a style where you import gold by the galleon only to see rents go up and not much else.
1493035;1467256772;pete_dushenski;aha. san fran style
1493036;1467256786;pete_dushenski;arguably nyc idem
1493037;1467256795;mircea_popescu;money is a terrible curse.
1493038;1467256810;mircea_popescu;("if money's a curse, let god strike me down with it! and may i never recover.")
1493039;1467256810;pete_dushenski;seriously wtf is wrong with broadway atm. 'hamilton' ? really ??!
1493040;1467256818;pete_dushenski;tevye!
1493041;1467256826;BingoBoingo;Money's perfectly harmless until it gets spent
1493042;1467257285;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493015 << sitting in kako's chan and derping every day re 'mp is sc4mz0r!111' to anyone who'll listen
1493043;1467257285;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 02:57 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1492971 << for all the times i've heard the exclusively alfian term of art 'kakotronic', it's never quite registered. care to explain like i'm 5 ?
1493044;1467257302;asciilifeform;see for yerself..
1493045;1467257373;pete_dushenski;'hamilton', for those blissfully unaware, is this 'hip' new play written by some mexican queer about founding father alexander hamilton's rise to glory complete with more break dancing and rapped lyrics than you can throw a harlem globetrotter at
1493046;1467257385;pete_dushenski;it's won however many tonies
1493047;1467257432;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: right. i guess that pankakke and tat fit in similarly.
1493048;1467257438;*;asciilifeform is very aware. pet is a fan.
1493049;1467257463;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: tat didn't reappear again after creaming his pants initially
1493050;1467257464;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: pet has seen ? tix are running $1k per last i heard
1493051;1467257470;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: has seen, i sent her
1493052;1467257486;asciilifeform;(in the last week of original actors, 12-15k)
1493053;1467257493;pete_dushenski;well there's your dirigible money right there ;)
1493054;1467257494;asciilifeform;dun ask me why.
1493055;1467257502;asciilifeform;well no i didn't send her in last week, l0l
1493056;1467257531;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: does pet not have income for such frivolities ?
1493057;1467257538;asciilifeform;pet has 0 income
1493058;1467257542;asciilifeform;hence why it is called...
1493059;1467257543;asciilifeform;a pet.
1493060;1467257548;asciilifeform;like your cat and dog.
1493061;1467257565;pete_dushenski;legit pet.
1493062;1467257577;asciilifeform;aha.
1493063;1467257585;pete_dushenski;though dog, like child, can 'perform' in 'shows' for prizes
1493064;1467257592;pete_dushenski;if so desired
1493065;1467257593;asciilifeform;theoretically.
1493066;1467257736;asciilifeform;anyway iirc h was by a straight dude from puerto rico. fwiw.
1493067;1467257769;asciilifeform;and was perfectly fine broadway play, and hilarious, washington et al 'rapping' like hood ratz etc.
1493068;1467257812;mircea_popescu;break dancing ? seriously ?
1493069;1467257819;mircea_popescu;next they're gonna wear bell bottoms.
1493070;1467257865;asciilifeform;http://www.pbfcomics.com/209 << obligatory.
1493071;1467257903;mircea_popescu;wow i've never seen wget at 15.x gb of ram before.
1493072;1467257914;asciilifeform;waiwat?!
1493073;1467257920;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1493074;1467257927;asciilifeform;whatcha wgettin'
1493075;1467257935;mircea_popescu;reddit
1493076;1467258029;mircea_popescu;is it actually efficient re memory usage ? anyone know specifically ?
1493077;1467258090;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: so you saw the play with her ? 'sent' sounded like a solo recon mission
1493078;1467258131;asciilifeform;i only heard it.
1493079;1467258399;pete_dushenski;https://mobile.twitter.com/Lin_Manuel/status/724103242200821761 << 'straight' eh. miranda looks pretty queer to me.
1493080;1467258421;pete_dushenski;why mobile why ?
1493081;1467258660;mircea_popescu;lol you got gaydar installed ?
1493082;1467258774;pete_dushenski;it came standard with my arts school diploma
1493083;1467258834;trinque;$b 2
1493084;1467258866;trinque;gave it the old college try?
1493085;1467258999;pete_dushenski;try ? more like twink.
1493086;1467259081;pete_dushenski;though this was back in mittelschule
1493087;1467259198;pete_dushenski;ie. where i first took classes in english and was marked wrong on a geography test where i answered 'ouest'
1493088;1467259301;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493076 << it leaks
1493089;1467259301;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 03:40 mircea_popescu: is it actually efficient re memory usage ? anyone know specifically ?
1493090;1467259319;asciilifeform;most folks dun notice , given as it exits
1493091;1467259834;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1493092;1467259844;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4244.28, vol: 37972.96650000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4244.28
1493093;1467260434;phf;"A 10-year-old Girl Applied to the Paris Summer Innovation Fellowship (facebook.com)"
1493094;1467260497;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah, im finding.
1493095;1467260499;asciilifeform;did she tear up old alarm clock using ruby on rails and get medal from obummer yet ?
1493096;1467260546;phf;“The streets of Paris are sad. I want to build a robot that will make them happy again. I’ve already starting learning how to code on Thymio robots, but I have trouble making it work. I want to join the program so the mentors can help me.” 
1493097;1467260599;mircea_popescu;god
1493098;1467260626;phf;"Welcome aboard our spaceship, Eva. We’re very much looking forward to meeting you in person.  
1493099;1467260626;phf;All the best from Paris,
1493100;1467260626;phf;Kat Borlongan 
1493101;1467260628;phf;Founding Partner, Five by Five"
1493102;1467260692;phf;"A School Where the Students Hire Their Teachers (wbez.org)"
1493103;1467260721;asciilifeform;bhhhrrrlf
1493104;1467260770;phf;"Urbit Is Building a 'Virtual Galaxy' for Bitcoin Nodes (coindesk.com)"
1493105;1467260782;phf;"Are You an Awesome Product Designer? LeadGenius (YC S11) Is Hiring (lever.co)"
1493106;1467260885;phf;i have a bunch of sites blocked on my router, google's and facebook's ip ranges, reddit, hackernews, but sometimes i load them up in hidemyass to see how things are on the other side of the world
1493107;1467261036;asciilifeform;snoretronic
1493108;1467261073;pete_dushenski;more like lulztronic
1493109;1467261120;pete_dushenski;this, actually, is a useful heuristic : alf sees snore --> pete sees lulz
1493110;1467261156;asciilifeform;snulz.
1493111;1467261162;*;asciilifeform bbl
1493112;1467261215;phf;yeah, it's pretty funny for couple of minutes
1493113;1467261337;pete_dushenski;like most stand-up since 2000
1493114;1467261633;phf;a conversation about racism on lobste.rs "urwid crowdsale" thread is also quite piquant
1493115;1467261677;phf;"As a not-completely-cynical participant in a democratic society and a half-assed amateur philosopher, I’m about as turned off by Yarvin as I could be."
1493116;1467261684;phf;etc.
1493117;1467261691;mircea_popescu;aww.
1493118;1467261888;phf;"We built voice modulation to mask gender in technical interviews. Here’s what happened. Posted by user Aline Lerner"
1493119;1467261935;*;pete_dushenski feels himself becoming ryan gosling's character in 'the believer'
1493120;1467262048;phf;i'll spoil it for you, ""Contrary to what we expected, masking gender had no effect on interview performance"
1493121;1467262291;*;pete_dushenski to self-loathing slumber
1493122;1467263088;mircea_popescu;lol!
1493123;1467263773;trinque;IRC's rate-limiting is a bummer.
1493124;1467263797;trinque;I was going to add commands to dump inward and outward reputation for a given nick, but neh
1493125;1467263804;trinque;would take minutes for some of us
1493126;1467263856;trinque;I put the blame on us ending up with the idiotic web, REST APIs, and etc squarely on IRC having been designed by monkeys
1493127;1467263861;trinque;command line > *
1493128;1467263900;trinque;help us alfie-wan kenobi; you're our only hope
1493129;1467263941;mircea_popescu;trinque could just put it in wotpaste no ?
1493130;1467263951;trinque;yeah that's what I'm going to do instead
1493131;1467263955;phf;you kind of need to write a graph walker, and since you're doing it in sql, i don't even know how to make it not suck
1493132;1467264011;trinque;for gettrust I just join the same table twice
1493133;1467264037;trinque;can actually do it recursively using pgsql magic if I needed
1493134;1467264041;trinque;say you wanted Ln
1493135;1467264065;phf;i don't want to know! it's much nicer when the whole thing's in memory :>
1493136;1467264077;trinque;lol, I didn't say this was pretty sausage
1493137;1467264140;phf;i have a backlog of making bot pull from backup logger in case of disconnect, which is the last bit before auto-reconnecting-bot
1493138;1467264162;phf;and then i want to make search case-insensitive, which turned out to be iffy with boyermoore
1493139;1467264171;phf;and THEN i'm going to do wot
1493140;1467264194;phf;so if anyone wants to swoop in and implement it
1493141;1467267454;trinque;two new commands that dump sexp data:
1493142;1467267462;trinque;$ratings trinque
1493143;1467267463;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/99e38487-d0e7-4969-b403-bb603f33fa5c/
1493144;1467267467;trinque;$reputation trinque
1493145;1467267472;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/c211411f-3cf2-47de-acdb-428a2d1529e3/
1493146;1467268140;mircea_popescu;nb!
1493147;1467268153;trinque;phf: how do I get prin1 (or something more sensible) to barf an sexp with a euro symbol in it?
1493148;1467268166;trinque;it's bitching about that. after which I will have a $wot command that pastes the whole thing
1493149;1467268655;trinque;ah derp it's the paste uploader barfing.
1493150;1467268883;trinque;ben_vulpes: ey is there a max size of a paste?
1493151;1467268944;ben_vulpes;huh excellent q
1493152;1467268953;trinque;$reputation trinque
1493153;1467268953;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/60a8d53a-c603-4f7c-9b08-c6fa5a247612/
1493154;1467268959;trinque;that works
1493155;1467268960;trinque;$wot
1493156;1467268978;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/
1493157;1467268980;trinque;boom
1493158;1467269052;ben_vulpes;oblige with a skosh more detail?
1493159;1467269066;trinque;both use the same "throw this here paste at mr ben_vulpes" function
1493160;1467269070;trinque;just $wot is massive
1493161;1467269074;ben_vulpes;ah
1493162;1467269105;ben_vulpes;paste's logging is...primitive.
1493163;1467269150;ben_vulpes;intrigued to see what the response looks like.
1493164;1467269174;trinque;k lemme copy teh data down to dev box
1493165;1467269254;trinque;thing's like 2.5mb btw
1493166;1467269421;trinque;ben_vulpes: 413 Request Entity Too Large
1493167;1467269430;trinque;prolly a knob on your nginx or w/e
1493168;1467269441;trinque;then perhaps also whatever thinger is running your proggy
1493169;1467269475;trinque;yeh that came from nginx
1493170;1467269533;trinque;client_max_body_size 4M;
1493171;1467269536;trinque;that will be enough for a bit
1493172;1467271186;ben_vulpes;ty trinque will diddle
1493173;1467283193;jurov;http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/business/dealbook/bitcoin-china.html
1493174;1467283220;jurov;Mr. Wu and the other mining pool operators in China have often seemed somewhat surprised, and even unhappy, that their investments have given them decision-making power within the Bitcoin network. “Miners are the hardware guys.
1493175;1467283222;jurov;Why are you asking us about software?” is the line that Mr. Ng said he often hears from miners.
1493176;1467288205;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493057 << hopefully not one of those expensive pets.
1493177;1467288205;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 03:32 asciilifeform: pet has 0 income
1493178;1467289539;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/YKg  Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
1493179;1467289539;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1493180;1467291013;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1493181;1467291060;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron hey listen, your latest posts inspired me, an' now i have a project for you.
1493182;1467291061;mircea_popescu;i want you to research the legal status of a registered church in the us, as well as the practicalities of registering one. this is a serious project, and i expect 100s of hours spent reading up on it. gpgram me about it.
1493183;1467291075;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo send donations for the designated shitting street to 1preetzHWEUfmGuW5ast5hMTJNYU1bmGo
1493184;1467291117;BingoBoingo;lol is that an actual address you have key 4?
1493185;1467291150;shinohai;lol yeah I actually was going to put it up on bitfunder but naturally got rejected.
1493186;1467291221;shinohai;I am seriously researching buying some cheap field in India for this purpose
1493187;1467291274;mircea_popescu;shinohai which purpose is this ?
1493188;1467291297;shinohai;For the purpose of getting a designated shitting street named after Preeeeeet.
1493189;1467291307;mircea_popescu;lmao
1493190;1467291401;deedbot;[Qntra] Preet Indicts Hondurans In Honduras - http://qntra.net/2016/06/preet-indicts-hondurans-in-honduras/
1493191;1467291459;thestringpuller;bitfunder is still a thing?
1493192;1467291602;BingoBoingo;Is authentic? https://thestack.com/security/2016/06/29/2-million-person-terror-database-leaked-online/
1493193;1467291662;asciilifeform;'Additionally, information is not available to the general public who may not be aware that they are on such a list, but whose bank accounts and business transactions may be cancelled without warning or recourse. Banks are not required by law to provide consumers with a reason for account closures, and World-Check has a binding secrecy clause for users of the service.'
1493194;1467291733;mircea_popescu;heh
1493195;1467291775;shinohai;BingoBoingo:  s/handing/handed/g  ?
1493196;1467291827;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1493197;1467291857;asciilifeform;not, afaik, actually leaked.
1493198;1467291868;asciilifeform;just dangled by some 'responsible' fuckhead.
1493199;1467291870;shinohai;In other news, r/btc is celebrating this morning imagining that angry miners will soon adopt Classic and usher in the fork.
1493200;1467291916;shinohai;http://archive.is/hiUW3   <<< archived
1493201;1467291938;thestringpuller;funny how it's just some random white d00d on 8btc
1493202;1467291961;shinohai;kek
1493203;1467292059;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493182 << this ~just might~ be one of those 'bmore real estate' animals, where, e.g., scientology gets away with it and laughs all the way to the bank, but 'peyote church' - doesn't
1493204;1467292059;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 12:51 mircea_popescu: i want you to research the legal status of a registered church in the us, as well as the practicalities of registering one. this is a serious project, and i expect 100s of hours spent reading up on it. gpgram me about it.
1493205;1467292137;asciilifeform;as evidence - obummer recently had the tax-exemption of a number of quite standard christian churches revoked, on account of their opposition to obummerism. beyond a little bit of bad press, nothing happened.
1493206;1467292197;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493176 << very cheap pet. but i sometimes get it pet treat
1493207;1467292197;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 12:03 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493057 << hopefully not one of those expensive pets.
1493208;1467292248;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493152 << neato. do we have 'rated' command, so the thing can be in the l0gz ?
1493209;1467292248;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 06:42 trinque: $reputation trinque
1493210;1467292263;shinohai;$rated trinque
1493211;1467292263;deedbot;shinohai rated trinque 2 at 2016/05/16 07:03:40 << http://wiki.deedbot.org/
1493212;1467292270;asciilifeform;ah ok
1493213;1467292324;shinohai;trinque must have moved deedbot to new home, seems a bit more responsive of late.
1493214;1467292331;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493175 << 'we just wanted!111111'
1493215;1467292331;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 10:40 jurov: Why are you asking us about software?” is the line that Mr. Ng said he often hears from miners.
1493216;1467292362;asciilifeform;(^ folks who 'just want' are quite vulnerable to 'helpers' who will 'help us to do what we just want..' in return for 'small favour')
1493217;1467292440;mircea_popescu;shinohai soon, jam!
1493218;1467292458;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if that's true, we're exactly the gang for it. match made in heaven.
1493219;1467292481;mircea_popescu;$up reydev
1493220;1467292482;deedbot;reydev voiced for 30 minutes.
1493221;1467292687;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which true
1493222;1467292728;mircea_popescu;your comments re church.
1493223;1467292731;asciilifeform;ah
1493224;1467292777;asciilifeform;my observation was that mircea_popescu can indeed put 'pope' on his business card, right now!1111 - but to be ~untaxed~ pope in usgschwitz, you gotta be in favour with the current clitler
1493225;1467292785;reydev;hey this seems to be kind of the continuation of the #bitcoin-assets chan right?
1493226;1467292797;mircea_popescu;something like that.
1493227;1467292803;reydev;kudos if one of you guys was really behind the ether thing
1493228;1467292837;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's see about that. either it's not the case, in which case we now have a us church, or it is the case, in which case we have yet another harpoon in the whale's back.
1493229;1467292838;reydev;strong
1493230;1467292864;reydev;guess ill be lurking some more
1493231;1467292866;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: worth a shot. will be good for a boatload of lulz in either case
1493232;1467292920;shinohai;Church of Subgenius is registered church, why not trilema?
1493233;1467292923;mircea_popescu;aha. besides, he's just the man to do it.
1493234;1467292933;reydev;by the way is the republic planning to ever have a standing army ^_^
1493235;1467292941;mircea_popescu;shinohai kinda why i put this in the open, so people can come up with a good name maybe.
1493236;1467292963;mircea_popescu;reydev not unless it looks like the mage girls in your favourite mmorpg.
1493237;1467292988;reydev;seems like a missing piece to the puzzle tho...
1493238;1467293036;reydev;anyhow, ive nothing useful to add for now, ill do some catching up in the logs etc...
1493239;1467293087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the basic usgology of this, https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/churches-religious-organizations/churches-defined
1493240;1467293098;mircea_popescu;http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6e9x1YxtB1rsdyc4o1_500.jpg << armor ftw.
1493241;1467293122;asciilifeform;there is also a bookcase-sized case law, i will leave it for danielpbarron
1493242;1467293130;mircea_popescu;aha.
1493243;1467293236;reydev;oh yeah, was a new WoT formed for this channel?
1493244;1467293249;mircea_popescu;deedbot oversees the wot.
1493245;1467293281;reydev;does this mean the stuff carried over from assets
1493246;1467293285;mircea_popescu;yeah
1493247;1467293303;reydev;k
1493248;1467293735;shinohai;Did you read these lulz asciilifeform ? http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-terrorism-fight-needs-silicon-valley-1467239710
1493249;1467293770;mircea_popescu;"the $(cause du jour) needs $(aspie 14% group sponsoring the article)"
1493250;1467293774;asciilifeform;shinohai: nope and it dun want to display here
1493251;1467293784;asciilifeform;'subscribe or sign in'
1493252;1467293809;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, you want me to gpgram you now or after?
1493253;1467293827;asciilifeform;shinohai: https://archive.is/jlIVZ loads
1493254;1467293847;shinohai;wsj has weak paywall. Google headline, then click result for paywall free experience.
1493255;1467293857;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron at any point.
1493256;1467293905;danielpbarron;kk
1493257;1467294517;shinohai;$up reydev
1493258;1467294517;deedbot;reydev voiced for 30 minutes.
1493259;1467295477;mod6;Mornin'
1493260;1467295548;*;shinohai waves at mod6
1493261;1467295580;reydev;so, where are the web of trust ratings stored by the way... as in, who controls the database
1493262;1467295590;thestringpuller;reydev: trinque does
1493263;1467295642;reydev;ok, so one has to trust trinque in a sense
1493264;1467295658;reydev;to trust the web
1493265;1467295735;mircea_popescu;aaand in other "vigourous copulation with children may result in ophisthotonus through splanchnic nerve cascade" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6d2ca3ecd0f30aa7358d844c43ab12a5/tumblr_nj1rlaCrb91tv93bgo1_500.gif
1493266;1467295764;mircea_popescu;reydev yeah. one can also verify, for instance via
1493267;1467295775;mircea_popescu;$s "$rate"
1493268;1467295775;a111;75 results for "\"$rate\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22$rate%22
1493269;1467295846;thestringpuller;wind 9
1493270;1467295852;thestringpuller;fuck you irssi
1493271;1467296009;reydev;im kind of interested in the implementation details, is it something he slapped together himself or is it an open source thing by any chance
1493272;1467296190;thestringpuller;well you technically don't have to trust trinque. for the people you've rated, you can just ask them directly when you do gettrust about the rating in question. so if trinque did manipulate the ratings in someway, people using the web of trust correctly would eventually uncover "the errors"
1493273;1467296206;mircea_popescu;reydev he did in fact slap it together himself ; more generally "open source" in the general, github-y, "copy/paste me but don't ever read me!" sense is not much of a republican value. which isn't to say that you can't get at the code, but it is to say you can't expect to just find it online. if you got questions, ask teh lord in question.
1493274;1467296211;mircea_popescu;code is now personal!
1493275;1467296870;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "copy/paste me but don't ever read me!" << *sigh* In fact this just happened today. Developer tells me, "Hey copy this snipped into the codebase from github". I respond with, "Have you read the code?" They tell me, "Nope. But it works!" So guess who is stuck reading the code...
1493276;1467296933;mircea_popescu;yeah well. the whole "open source/free software" delusion has gone long enough ; time to take it behind the bikeshed and put a bullet in its brain. leaving aside the entirely misguided communist nonsense of stallman, which is already discussed int he logs, look at what open source did for ethereum, since he mentioned it.
1493277;1467296964;mircea_popescu;NOBODY fucking read it. not even the two idiots writing it. then AFTER i publish on trilema, suddenly it's sexy, they get jealous of all the exposure and find various other holes.
1493278;1467296995;thestringpuller;Ironically, it'll be some Mt.Gox scandal arising from that when you find out one of the Slock.it developers was behind the heist.
1493279;1467297000;mircea_popescu;not one bothering to mention that hey, i got inspired by mp, and look, the prediction he made was in fact correct : there WERE more holes. which circumstance clears any possible objection to the whole process being jealousy driven.
1493280;1467297002;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: don't forget the inevitable next stage, where they develop the delusion of having found ~all~ of the possible ones
1493281;1467297025;mircea_popescu;well, this isn't going to go anywhere, open source is a method to bolt shut doors of stables after horses left.
1493282;1467297031;mircea_popescu;take openssh, EXACT same process.
1493283;1467297041;mircea_popescu;the value of open source is actually negative, it's a wealth destruction mechanism.
1493284;1467297062;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obviously. because you know, "ethereum hole" is no longer google-trending. so therefore they must have.
1493285;1467297083;mircea_popescu;basically they've poured 100k a head in "college education" so that thousands of them together can replicate the brain of an amphibian.
1493286;1467297092;asciilifeform;i still say that source availability is a red herring here
1493287;1467297093;mircea_popescu;as long as light shines on it, it moves around.
1493288;1467297095;thestringpuller;the value of open source is actually negative << it didn't start off that way... the early 90's were an okay time...
1493289;1467297109;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller in this sense the first inch of any stake is pleasurable.
1493290;1467297133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the error of os is that it predicates upon "anyone".
1493291;1467297138;asciilifeform;publication of a gnarly ball of cpp makes very little difference.
1493292;1467297147;mircea_popescu;what happens when you put "anyone" in your soup is you get a soup only "anyone" would ever eat, after the fashion he eats it.
1493293;1467297148;asciilifeform;it is ~impossible to ~actually understand~ it.
1493294;1467297177;asciilifeform;esp. if you include the 10,001km of library entrails.
1493295;1467297195;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: perhaps. but i think its as simple as "adding idiots to something good ruins it". usenet was similar...
1493296;1467297213;thestringpuller;AOL thought it was a good idea to open flood gates. voila usenet ruined over night.
1493297;1467297364;phf;thestringpuller: that's called stackoverflow development, and it's ~the~ way development is done now
1493298;1467297371;asciilifeform;all of this being said, if anyone expects me to run something on local box without publishing plausibly-readable source i can build it from, he is smoking dope.
1493299;1467297380;asciilifeform;it is ~minimal~ bar.
1493300;1467297395;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think on the lowest level complexity actually has a positive perceived value. "check out all the complex shit i <<handle>>". much like kids in the same age bracket / cultural space in africa laud themselves with their voodoo accomplishments.
1493301;1467297434;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-21#1349108
1493302;1467297434;a111;Logged on 2015-12-21 05:15 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349033 << 'programmers get off on complexity the way weight lifters get off on weight'
1493303;1467297478;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1) nobody of the "background and experience in management experience spawns many years" derps running ethereum built from source, or COULD build from source. i've seen enough of those lolz in eulora to have a pretty close idea ; 2. nobody's asking you to run trinque's shit on your box, so there's a difference here. but 1 and 2 aside, absofuckinglutely wtf. this isn't about tivoization of code.
1493304;1467297489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly so.
1493305;1467297511;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: well planeshift was pretty much written by people smoking dope while playing runescape...
1493306;1467297537;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well yes, wasn't speaking of trinque's item, or similar remotely-operated gadgets
1493307;1467297544;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller eulora build process is actually quite painless, and has ~nothing in common with trying to build planeshift, other than some dependencies.
1493308;1467297564;asciilifeform;but distinguishing 'if you want me to run this on my iron, let's have the source' from 'open sores movement'
1493309;1467297567;phf;thestringpuller: and requires extensive training to undo, for example i make sure all my devs have copies of the documentation for relevant code on their machines, and direct their attention to it whenever i can. you'd be surprised™ how many people don't even know where the docs for their framework etc. are
1493310;1467297573;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: the original gutting process was probably painful.
1493311;1467297601;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in any case, while the value of "bright young fellow wants to learn boyer-moore through checking out phf's code" is there ; i'm not about to push you to publish phuctor code for some vague fetishist love of foss. which i don't have.
1493312;1467297620;mircea_popescu;basically, these concerns previously glued together in o'reilly brand duct tape just came apart, and will have to be re-negotiated socially.
1493313;1467297652;asciilifeform;i posted all the interesting parts anyway
1493314;1467297670;mircea_popescu;discussing teh principle of the thing moar than the cases i exemplify with.
1493315;1467297678;asciilifeform;well yes.
1493316;1467297683;thestringpuller;phf: ah. stackoverflow development. That's a good phrase. devs tend to be lazy, so when something breaks and stackoverflow has a solution they put they put a bandaid over wounds that require stitches and eventually someone sane has to sit down and deturdify the mess.
1493317;1467297736;thestringpuller;"code review" sometimes help, but people will usually bypass code reviews to get something shipped more quickly.
1493318;1467297764;thestringpuller;it's just part of working with sewage I guess. :(
1493319;1467297950;phf;well, linus gave us a pretty good solution. sit on pull requests, and abuse people when they submit shit
1493320;1467298016;asciilifeform;phf: this works until accepting non-shit begins to resemble the process of extracting uranium from sea water
1493321;1467298025;phf;to some extent it's aligned with v model, the only thing that matters is the text of patch, you read it, and decide on whether you want to sign it or not
1493322;1467298066;phf;asciilifeform: it's always extracting uranium from sea water :D except through beatings you hopefully make a slightly smarter sea water that start bringing greater traces of uranium
1493323;1467298108;phf;obviously can't do this in a company with HR, wreckers, etc.
1493324;1467298146;asciilifeform;the beatings are really analogous to the fine adjustment knob on, e.g., microscope
1493325;1467298150;mircea_popescu;phf it's aligned alright. which is how linus now has a "psychopatic sexual behaviours", as per http://qntra.net/2016/06/how-the-tor-project-pays-and-pays-cia-agents-from-their-usg-navy-coffers/#comment-62663
1493326;1467298157;asciilifeform;no amount of beating will conjure into existence a sane cpu, for instance.
1493327;1467298171;phf;one dev told me he gets sweaty palms when submitting a pull request, and i'm like "good. gooood"
1493328;1467298192;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sufficient beating will conjure anything. experientia docent.
1493329;1467298214;phf;at least i no longer think that i should just send him to the farm
1493330;1467298238;asciilifeform;so this is how we learn that mircea_popescu had a horse. but then went to beat it into ferrari, still working
1493331;1467298268;phf;and the attitude went from "docs??" to "ha ha i guess reading documentation pays off ha ha" to "let me check the docs"
1493332;1467298310;mircea_popescu;heh.
1493333;1467298507;asciilifeform;https://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/06/extracting-qualcomms-keymaster-keys.html << how to extract the usg master key in shitdroid
1493334;1467298541;asciilifeform;(less of a practical interest and more of a 'this never happened!111' item.)
1493335;1467298610;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493286 << the "to whom" here is the missing and essential item.
1493336;1467298610;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 14:31 asciilifeform: i still say that source availability is a red herring here
1493337;1467298658;asciilifeform;trinque: i was speaking of the missing 'freedom' from stallman's 'freedoms list' - '... to UNDERSTAND'
1493338;1467298669;asciilifeform;e.g., openssl source is 'available' to all, but understood by no one
1493339;1467298675;mircea_popescu;i don't see value in this. what, there's a universal right to understand ?
1493340;1467298681;asciilifeform;because the entire conceptual framework is defective.
1493341;1467298687;mircea_popescu;your cat now has the right to understand differential calculus. proceed.
1493342;1467298690;trinque;asciilifeform: yes
1493343;1467298708;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not cat, or random luser, but ~somebody somewhere~
1493344;1467298717;trinque;"free to understand" for everyone is a ticket straight to cancerous chimeric hell
1493345;1467298726;mircea_popescu;what's this, meta-communism ? "not these people are equal, but some ideal people somewhere else" ?
1493346;1467298741;trinque;$gettrust reydev
1493347;1467298741;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1493348;1467298744;mircea_popescu;there's no freedom to understand anymore than there's a freedom to decide who fucks you.
1493349;1467298746;trinque;^ what determines whether I provide source
1493350;1467298776;mircea_popescu;and yes, understanding === being fucked ; the process is called "education" because "fucking" is too harsh apparently.
1493351;1467298861;asciilifeform;there is nothing educative about complexity cancer and the c machine.
1493352;1467298884;mircea_popescu;hm.
1493353;1467298890;asciilifeform;it is a pesilence, and has less redeeming value than the aids virus.
1493354;1467298898;asciilifeform;*pestilence
1493355;1467298912;mircea_popescu;i thought god taught through pestilences.
1493356;1467298926;asciilifeform;sure did. the students fell asleep in class tho.
1493357;1467298932;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'll concur with you saying that it's one lousy fuck, how about that.
1493358;1467298945;asciilifeform;lousy fuck with rode cone studded with razor wire.
1493359;1467298949;asciilifeform;*road cone
1493360;1467298951;mircea_popescu;consensus building!
1493361;1467298959;asciilifeform;mine's still in.
1493362;1467298966;mircea_popescu;ahahaha o god.
1493363;1467298976;mircea_popescu;now i have rum all over my desk wtf. why's that so funny
1493364;1467300198;phf;wouldn't this sort of statements of philosophical position (i don't know a better term) still be effective among the aristoi? there's that idea that u.s. constitution was written for the privileged classes, and that you had to a) be able to write b) own a pen c) own a piece of paper to participate in voting process. or would gpl still be a bad idea if was restricted to in-wot?
1493365;1467300253;asciilifeform;phf: i find myself agreeing with naggum - gpl was a weapon against microshit, and makes very little sense in any other context
1493366;1467300256;mircea_popescu;https://gfycat.com/SpiritedOpenBackswimmer << never before seen footage of slock.it & ethereum development, vetting, auditing and marketing process.
1493367;1467300289;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!!11
1493368;1467300289;mircea_popescu;phf i don't see a problem with gpl per se, but i'm not going to enforce it myself.
1493369;1467300342;phf;asciilifeform: erm, yeah, i didn't mean gpl, i meant stallman's code freedoms
1493370;1467300376;phf;"four essential freedoms"
1493371;1467300389;mircea_popescu;phf i'm game for a full analysis of them if you care to state any. the problem broadly is that they're nonsense as-found.
1493372;1467300390;trinque;phf: my point above is that, if you asked me for sauce I'd provide it for reasons entirely other than philosophy
1493373;1467300418;trinque;it'd benefit me because you might improve the thing
1493374;1467300451;mircea_popescu;1. "this is the difference between" ; 2. "the fnargl is larger than a butter" ; 3. "any elements larger than the elements smaller than themselves are smaller than the larger elements of some other set."
1493375;1467300453;mircea_popescu;etc in this vein.
1493376;1467300541;mircea_popescu;the cheapest forinstance : it's not even proper to speak of "code" rather than text until and unless you've introduced a specific difference. which is a harder problem than it appears. "obviously" is not an answer.
1493377;1467300653;phf;- The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
1493378;1467300653;phf;- The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
1493379;1467300653;phf;- The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
1493380;1467300655;phf;- The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
1493381;1467300663;phf;(for teh record)
1493382;1467300752;trinque;there are so many false political assumptions embedded in them it's hard to pick a starting place
1493383;1467300782;mircea_popescu;take 0 : "agent has agency". i'm not willing to reduce that to this, not just because http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185 but in general, as a matter of sovereignity. if your ethereum works in this way, there's no "criminal thief" blabla.
1493384;1467300782;a111;Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
1493385;1467300804;asciilifeform;there was an entire mircea_popescu piece on subj
1493386;1467300808;asciilifeform;does anyone have the link ?
1493387;1467300813;mircea_popescu;which one ?
1493388;1467300832;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis << found it.
1493389;1467300844;mircea_popescu;ah
1493390;1467300883;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's more of a practical philosophy thing, but i see what you mean.
1493391;1467300898;asciilifeform;and for some reason i thought that the above was also the one where mircea_popescu had the bit re 'usg tries to claim the ability to delegate the right to use software, as the church claimed the right to delegate use of woman'
1493392;1467300900;asciilifeform;but it isn't
1493393;1467300902;phf;well, i'm trying to see if this could use this as a glue to tie V and stan's laws of sane computing
1493394;1467300953;phf;i'm not so much interested in "freedom" aspect of it, but as a way to construct a coherent position on tmsr computing
1493395;1467300965;mircea_popescu;phf i don't think stallman, for all his posturing, was muich in the philosophy department. seriously, ima have a special right to use code ? tell you what - have the inalienable freedom to use weapons, in any manner i deem fit, such as against the us president, and to use the penis, and plates of pasta, and napkin scribblings and anything else.
1493396;1467300967;asciilifeform;the only 'stallman law' that remains after you strip away ALL of the usgological 'rights' claptral is no 1
1493397;1467300973;asciilifeform;availability of source
1493398;1467300981;asciilifeform;which falls right back into the 'sane computing' list.
1493399;1467300993;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except i don't see anyone has an implicit freedom allowing him to review other people's notes.
1493400;1467301004;asciilifeform;and let's once and for all distinguish 'source for phuctor' from 'source for grep'
1493401;1467301010;mircea_popescu;heck, nsa is what, an open sourcing program run on public funds ?
1493402;1467301045;mircea_popescu;phf can you point to a spot where it's incoherent ?
1493403;1467301092;trinque;neither software nor more generally communication operates on a flat topology; stallman's trying to cram communication into that flatland
1493404;1467301095;trinque;like every communist
1493405;1467301105;mircea_popescu;trinque hence the text comment above
1493406;1467301121;phf;trinque: that's not very interesting, you can rework gpl into wot graph quite trivially
1493407;1467301126;asciilifeform;trinque: fact remains, if you think i'm gonna run a binary, ANYONE's binary, for whatever reason, yer smoking dope.
1493408;1467301157;asciilifeform;i run other folks' binaries solely for purpose of reversing and exploitation.
1493409;1467301157;phf;as a spec to how a node within a wot graph is going to operate by default in relation to text
1493410;1467301161;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would you accept data from certified source ?
1493411;1467301163;asciilifeform;and specifically to maximally fuck the author.
1493412;1467301166;trinque;phf: it's not WoT-tronic if I'm making decisions based on WoT and also this overarching religion about software
1493413;1467301189;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if said data is obfuscated against me, i regard it as an attack.
1493414;1467301204;mircea_popescu;besides the point. it's a random byte field you didn't make, and can't verify.
1493415;1467301211;mircea_popescu;unless you go out and do the measurements yourself. by hand ?
1493416;1467301227;asciilifeform;quite often i ~will~ do the measurements. by hand.
1493417;1467301241;mircea_popescu;sure, i run coherence checks on all data, such as recent trilema article is testament.
1493418;1467301251;asciilifeform;have found quite a few interesting bits this way.
1493419;1467301257;asciilifeform;'trust but verify'
1493420;1467301261;mircea_popescu;but point remains, binary is more insidious than readily observed. you can't reduce text to "code" nor can you reduce binary to "elf".
1493421;1467301270;asciilifeform;which is why i see deliberate obfuscation as an admission of guilt
1493422;1467301274;mircea_popescu;you load crapolade websites all the time ; and pdf meets your attack criteria.
1493423;1467301279;trinque;agreeing to a specific set of behavior within a category *forever* is slavery.
1493424;1467301284;asciilifeform;it is about ~intent~
1493425;1467301289;mircea_popescu;there is no intent.
1493426;1467301290;asciilifeform;rather than mechanical identity.
1493427;1467301290;trinque;suitable for some, but I'm not going to sign it.
1493428;1467301303;asciilifeform;there sure as fuck is inferrable intent.
1493429;1467301314;mircea_popescu;you mean constructive intent. hardly an intentional category.
1493430;1467301331;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will run a bitcoin client with 0 published source ? in anger ?
1493431;1467301333;asciilifeform;if not, why not ?
1493432;1467301340;mircea_popescu;(yes, we use constructive intent all the time, such as for instance in discussions of usg - the sort of thing where they end up responsible both ways.)
1493433;1467301355;phf;trinque: nah, not ~entire~ wot and not forever. but let's say i give you code under wotgpl, it means that the code has certain propagation properties within wot, and i don't have to negrate you if you abide by a certain set of pre-discussed rules
1493434;1467301380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i supppse maybe as a black box item, i dunno.
1493435;1467301390;asciilifeform;what's a 'black box item' ?
1493436;1467301436;mircea_popescu;i dunno, meteorite fell from sky, seems to work a certain way, gotta look what it does now.
1493437;1467301469;asciilifeform;the way i see it, withholding source for a safety-critical mechanism like bitcoin client is a hostile act - unambiguously poisonous offering.
1493438;1467301472;*;mircea_popescu has spent more time than he cares to admit with crazy incomprehensible and perhaps fragmentary item. "what is it ?" "fuck me"
1493439;1467301491;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dealt with them for a living.
1493440;1467301492;mircea_popescu;"it's a religious artifact!"
1493441;1467301515;trinque;phf: I see software being "shared" in such a personal way that you should expect me to ask you directly whether I can give to my L1, whether I can post sauce on www, so on
1493442;1467301532;trinque;and then people can check the logs; maybe we signed a contract, maybe we just talked about it
1493443;1467301534;mircea_popescu;ftr that was the original, and working, shareware paradigm.
1493444;1467301538;asciilifeform;trinque: keep in mind that keeping secrets has a cost
1493445;1467301546;mircea_popescu;pre billy goates and his whiny self, people shared tapes.
1493446;1467301553;asciilifeform;trinque: and that it is not a reasonable thing to ask others to do without a good reason
1493447;1467301558;trinque;but I don't want to sign onto a talmudic interpretation of WoT-o-tronics, either generally or in this instance
1493448;1467301568;phf;trinque: see even your assumptions are different from asciilifeform's
1493449;1467301583;mircea_popescu;keeping secrets definitely has costs.
1493450;1467301608;mircea_popescu;it's why nsa fails so badly. all their budget goes to filling the barn, ~none to guarding the barn.
1493451;1467301627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: opposite, really
1493452;1467301628;mircea_popescu;(also why police state is a self-limiting failure mode)
1493453;1467301659;trinque;these are broad socialist orgs
1493454;1467301672;trinque;I gave ben_vulpes an OS image a while back, asked that he use it internally only
1493455;1467301678;trinque;and I have 0% doubt that he will do that
1493456;1467301691;trinque;WoT works just fine
1493457;1467301752;mircea_popescu;trinque what if say his gf splits, steals his hdds, now it's online (because she accidentally publishes it through running open webserver os). now you negrate him ?
1493458;1467301770;mircea_popescu;what specific measures should he take in his relations with his gf, other than the current precautions so wife doesn't find out, to satisfy your needs ?
1493459;1467301781;trinque;it's a personal matter which would be evaluated in the context of our friendship
1493460;1467301788;trinque;and not generally with the jewish grandmothers
1493461;1467301788;asciilifeform;this is what means 'has a cost'
1493462;1467301799;mircea_popescu;thart may be, but economics is economics, so what should he do ?
1493463;1467301808;asciilifeform;it isn't simply about 'he's my chum, i will lend him my pistol, and i trust that he will only shoot coke cans'
1493464;1467301908;mircea_popescu;so in general, i expect the notion of "code secrecy" to be as nonsensical today as when stallman was a wee tyke getting started on other people's emacs.
1493465;1467301922;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, there's a difference between secrecy AS A STATE and code sharing AS A PROCESS.
1493466;1467301923;trinque;as is generally *enforcing* moral behavior
1493467;1467301927;mircea_popescu;wasn't my intention to discuss the former, really.
1493468;1467302007;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can't find the one with "buy computing" like old dudes/church wanted to "buy women". darn.
1493469;1467302043;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm
1493470;1467302047;asciilifeform;^ it
1493471;1467302076;mircea_popescu;yes! ty!
1493472;1467302133;mircea_popescu;the book sez : "A parallel with human sexuality is not unwarranted here. At a past time when the ownership of female humans was the principal method to control capital formation and the political process, the same sort of dead hand fictions proposed that they in fact control the usage of women, that anyone owning a woman does so only as a sublicense from their sovereign ownership of all women, and may proceed only in furthera
1493473;1467302133;mircea_popescu;nce of the regulation they emitted as to how women may be used and may not be used and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - the woman in question. Particularly "criminal" at the time - using a woman in the manner she herself wishes to be used.
1493474;1467302133;mircea_popescu;Times have changed, women are now worthless, but computers aren't, and these same dead hand fictions propose anew : that they own all computers, that if you own a computer it's only a sublease from them, subject to furthering their regulations and so on and so forth. Specifically excluded from all this - what the code actually says and does. Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used."
1493475;1467302149;asciilifeform;aha, it.
1493476;1467302179;mircea_popescu;goes so neatly with "the dao".
1493477;1467302193;mircea_popescu;the gall of these shitheads. how DARE THEY use fucking words other than "fdsjkhgwreifgiwiotghfegbvhwerg" to denote their vomit.
1493478;1467302211;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-21#885689
1493479;1467302211;a111;Logged on 2014-10-21 01:30 asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws.  Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding.  Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies.  Because 
1493480;1467302362;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to phf 's thing : i frankly dun think rms/frf/etc are relevant here, not anymore than aunt molly's mole is relevant in a discussion of dermatology.
1493481;1467302382;mircea_popescu;yes, indisputably a mole happens on the skin ; yes indisputably aunt molly's mole did in fact occur. nevertheless, irrelevant anecdote of no further import.
1493482;1467302411;asciilifeform;i disagree - they are excellent examples - along with, e.g., mr mold - of failed autoappendectomies
1493483;1467302448;asciilifeform;rms is tragicomic precisely ~because~ he won't let go of fundamentally usgistic thinking
1493484;1467302456;mircea_popescu;sure, may have all sorts of other relevancies ; but not dispositive or even indicative re the theory of everything, or computing for that matter.
1493485;1467302483;asciilifeform;perhaps better analogy here is the astronomical epicycle.
1493486;1467302485;mircea_popescu;(when pursuing evidence, there's two kinds : indicative and dispositive. the latter is the sort that ends the inquiry ; the former is the sort that points to the way towards the latter.)
1493487;1467302507;asciilifeform;'kinetics proposes, thermodynamics disposes' (tm) (r) (uncle al)
1493488;1467302523;mircea_popescu;like that.
1493489;1467302600;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493483 << this is true. the thief who is terribly terribly sorry he got caught and not even a bit aware he was stealing.
1493490;1467302600;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 16:00 asciilifeform: rms is tragicomic precisely ~because~ he won't let go of fundamentally usgistic thinking
1493491;1467302612;mircea_popescu;basically, the american indian mentality.
1493492;1467302652;asciilifeform;sorta like the indian in mircea_popescu' skyscraper essay
1493493;1467302669;mircea_popescu;which one is that ?
1493494;1467302673;mircea_popescu;jesus i'm having a bad memory day.
1493495;1467302684;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2014/the-all-american-asshole-in-his-own-words-with-my-own-notes/#selection-3735.0-3747.1
1493496;1467302695;mircea_popescu;oh right right.
1493497;1467302708;*;asciilifeform has a good chunk of mircea_popescu's material loaded into head
1493498;1467302711;phf;hmm hmm
1493499;1467302737;mircea_popescu;and in other news, a rather accurate reproduction of historical copulation in hominids. http://67.media.tumblr.com/87baf88f11a9f99fd40aea78edce8729/tumblr_nyz5x4NpNl1u82s86o1_400.gif
1493500;1467302750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so do i! but it dun always fire.
1493501;1467303076;mircea_popescu;phf for the record, a large part of the problem (seen in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493382 say) is the very unreflexive manner of these derps writing.
1493502;1467303076;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 15:32 trinque: there are so many false political assumptions embedded in them it's hard to pick a starting place
1493503;1467303099;mircea_popescu;it's like a cow mewing or like a kitten braying, you can readily see going through their productions that they... felt, something, there.
1493504;1467303114;mircea_popescu;but they didn't then bother to go back, and check the terms, and check the relations, and cross-examine their production.
1493505;1467303128;mircea_popescu;they write like their disciples code, which is to say, breathless, first pass, never read.
1493506;1467303156;mircea_popescu;"did you as much as re-read this shit ?" "ain't nobody got time for that ??"
1493507;1467303173;mircea_popescu;and in the rare cases when they re-read, they re-read like they re-stroke the penis. to recognize, not to understand.
1493508;1467303205;mircea_popescu;this, needless to say, i hope, ISN'T HOW YOU FUCKING WRITE. code or anything else.
1493509;1467303811;asciilifeform;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/bitcoin-miners-hardfork-according-circulating-rumors << lel 'corexit'
1493510;1467303854;asciilifeform;konseeeeensoooos!1111
1493511;1467303892;thestringpuller;oh man rumors of nukes launching.
1493512;1467303903;shinohai;"The above is unverified." meaning "Just a buncha r/btc derps spreading gossip"
1493513;1467303934;mircea_popescu;heh.
1493514;1467304034;mircea_popescu;lol, complete with "price jumps on rumours" bullshit ?
1493515;1467304068;mircea_popescu;check that out, it's golden : "It is not clear how developers will now react. To not give the ecosystem choice opens Bitcoin Core developers to criticism of centralized power where developers decide even political matters of increased capacity, increasing the risk of legal liability and threatening an open war with miners which, having the full support of almost all prominent bitcoin businesses, are likely to come out much st
1493516;1467304068;mircea_popescu;ronger."
1493517;1467304090;mircea_popescu;ie, "miner cartel got beaten to shit, withdrew temporarily, wants to have control over bitcoin! IT WAS PROMISED!!!!".
1493518;1467304093;asciilifeform;choice!1111
1493519;1467304106;asciilifeform;'i didn't shoot him in the head to kill, just gave his brains CHOICE OF WHERE TO GO!111'
1493520;1467304115;mircea_popescu;everything is twisted around. "ecosystem" ? ie, what, five derps with 200 socks each ? that's the ecosystem ?
1493521;1467304136;mircea_popescu;"it's not clear how bitcoin will react ?" fuck you. a) there's nothing to react to ; b) it's fucking clear how people react to nothing.
1493522;1467304149;mircea_popescu;so much wanna-be ism, so militant, so organised.
1493523;1467304150;mircea_popescu;so hopeless.
1493524;1467304237;mircea_popescu;anyway. summer of forks proceeding without much gas, one confused byzantine general moving chaotically around the field.
1493525;1467304239;mircea_popescu;mebbe next year.
1493526;1467304266;asciilifeform;i thought it was supposed to coincide with the halfocalypse
1493527;1467304276;mircea_popescu;all sorts of things were supposed.
1493528;1467304286;asciilifeform;would be the logical time, anyway
1493529;1467304432;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, zoolag has been blackholed for almost a day.
1493530;1467304441;asciilifeform;(this is not an all-time record but is noteworthy)
1493531;1467304469;asciilifeform;interesting method tho
1493532;1467304476;asciilifeform;flooded with TBs of nonstandard tx.
1493533;1467304776;ben_vulpes;gf walking with wot material is just as catastrophic as usg walking with wot material. 'walked' being only detail of note.
1493534;1467304803;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'what three know, the pig knows'
1493535;1467304856;mod6; i fucking hate java btw
1493536;1467304865;mod6;just putting that out there
1493537;1467304876;ben_vulpes;but why mod6
1493538;1467304882;ben_vulpes;it's halfway between cpp and lisp!
1493539;1467304887;ben_vulpes;it even has 'lambdas' now!
1493540;1467304899;mod6;lol
1493541;1467304916;ben_vulpes;you should give swift a try
1493542;1467304920;mircea_popescu;you know, i'm mildly surprised webcam companies haven't built the arcade scroller irl yet. you could have this special obstacle course built, have the camhos try and complete it, people could pay to watch, bet on whether they manage or not...
1493543;1467304922;ben_vulpes;hysterical hodgepodge of a language.
1493544;1467304926;mircea_popescu;think pussy of persia.
1493545;1467304936;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: that was a /lot/ of setup.
1493546;1467304950;mircea_popescu;yes, that's my point :D
1493547;1467304998;ben_vulpes;miserable puns are made better with excessive setup. 'better' in the sense that your audience suffers more.
1493548;1467305011;mircea_popescu;the point was not the pun!
1493549;1467305025;phf;ninja warrior with tits sort of thing
1493550;1467305032;ben_vulpes;right
1493551;1467305037;ben_vulpes;starvation wages when
1493552;1467305041;mircea_popescu;well... anyone know debbie do anything, arguably christina applegate's best character ?
1493553;1467305049;mircea_popescu;from some very shitty "romantic comedy"
1493554;1467305080;mircea_popescu;$google "these bitches are disrespectin' an' that ain't right!"
1493555;1467305081;deedbot;No results.
1493556;1467305083;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1493557;1467305093;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GdHB6Ogzj0
1493558;1467305112;ben_vulpes;"i heard that if people bop you on your head, gold coins come out of your butt" ok i died
1493559;1467305144;ben_vulpes;in other OTHER OTHER news, i upgraded this laptop to 10.11 and now the second mini hdmi port doesn't work
1493560;1467305146;ben_vulpes;what
1493561;1467305148;ben_vulpes;the
1493562;1467305150;ben_vulpes;shit
1493563;1467305153;mircea_popescu;10.11 whats ?
1493564;1467305160;ben_vulpes;macos arcane versioning
1493565;1467305178;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493506 << oh god. this is my life. maybe I should ask asciilifeform how long until I succumb to radiation poisoning
1493566;1467305178;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 16:12 mircea_popescu: "did you as much as re-read this shit ?" "ain't nobody got time for that ??"
1493567;1467305183;phf;ben_vulpes: you knew what you were doing and you suffered the consequences
1493568;1467305190;ben_vulpes;phf: oh yes
1493569;1467305203;ben_vulpes;harder and more of it please
1493570;1467305359;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in argentina, https://imgur.com/jz5NJIL
1493571;1467305361;ben_vulpes;most expensive x11 terminal i ever seen.
1493572;1467305365;*;ben_vulpes grumbles
1493573;1467305378;ben_vulpes;assburgers lol
1493574;1467305428;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l what happened to 'dun post it on usgur!111'
1493575;1467305475;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i specifically disclaim any relation to the crap. either part of it.
1493576;1467305493;mircea_popescu;"argentina has a night life", "romantic comedies", whatever the fuck, all of it belongs on imgur.
1493577;1467305500;mircea_popescu;im just sad i don't have a 9gag account.
1493578;1467305585;shinohai;"A William P. Tatem Elementary School teacher called police on June 16 after a third-grader said a fellow student made a racist comment about brownies"  Good to know we are safe.
1493579;1467306683;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493559 << now install openbsd so BOTH ports can die!111
1493580;1467306683;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 16:45 ben_vulpes: in other OTHER OTHER news, i upgraded this laptop to 10.11 and now the second mini hdmi port doesn't work
1493581;1467306934;trinque;yes, but at least he'll have a new hoverboard with fans that never spin down
1493582;1467307038;asciilifeform;and eventually - anchor!
1493583;1467307150;mircea_popescu;for his battleship!
1493584;1467307183;asciilifeform;bottleship.
1493585;1467307471;asciilifeform;to briefly pick up yesterday's thread,
1493586;1467307494;asciilifeform;if anyone wondered why fountain (e.g., luby's) algo is not widely used, answer is... mega-unsurprise... patent trollage
1493587;1467307585;mircea_popescu;heh.
1493588;1467307585;asciilifeform;(luby himself opened up a troll shop, it seems)
1493589;1467307632;asciilifeform;so gossipd is posed to be the first live-fire open air rape of this usg directorate.
1493590;1467307643;asciilifeform;*poised
1493591;1467307689;mircea_popescu;mazel tov!
1493592;1467307700;*;trinque applauds
1493593;1467307701;ben_vulpes;ehehehehe wd
1493594;1467307719;mircea_popescu;$google Contessa Serbelloni Mazzanti Vien dal Mare
1493595;1467307720;deedbot;https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contessa_Serbelloni_Mazzanti_Vien_dal_Mare << Contessa Serbelloni Mazzanti Vien dal Mare - Wikipedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2vRJDpUSE << Fantozzi, il varo della nave e la Contessa Serbelloni Mazzanti Vien ... | https://it-it.facebook.com/Contessa-Serbelloni-Mazzanti-Vien-dal-Mare-34674003339/ << Contessa Serbelloni Mazzanti Vien dal Mare
1493596;1467307735;mircea_popescu;2nd link.
1493597;1467307821;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5_TVKknof0 actually, not shot with potato.
1493598;1467307911;trinque;ahahaha
1493599;1467307938;trinque;I'm going to have to watch this
1493600;1467307972;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1493601;1467308044;asciilifeform;in other interesting finds, http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/book/metaheuristics
1493602;1467308061;asciilifeform;^ actually well-written imho
1493603;1467308114;mircea_popescu;trinque "la furia homicida del purpurato" is certainly memorable :D
1493604;1467308149;asciilifeform;quite
1493605;1467308210;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform his definition of metaheuristic is disappointing :D
1493606;1467308540;mircea_popescu;and in other weird, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/b/b8/Riso_Amaro.jpg
1493607;1467308556;mircea_popescu;(she's being a mondina)
1493608;1467308560;asciilifeform;wat's this
1493609;1467308581;mircea_popescu;"Saluteremo il signor padrone per il male che ci ha fatto che ci ha sempre maltrattato fino all'ultimo momen'  Saluteremo il signor padrone con la so' risera neta pochi soldi in la cassetta e i debit da pagar..."
1493610;1467308645;mircea_popescu;basically, every culture has a "women on sale" marketplace. the egyptians stick them in shops, if you got money to buy goods maybe you got money for an extra cowsy ? the italians of the pre-roosevelt era stuck them in this bizarre field job.
1493611;1467308659;mircea_popescu;women only, day farm labourers, doing ~nothing in the muds of rice paddies.
1493612;1467308713;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/e/e4/Mondine-Pontogliesi-e-meridionali-anni-50.jpg << realist picture (the other one's idealist, in that it's silvia mangano.
1493613;1467308738;mircea_popescu;(famous italian actress)
1493614;1467309217;phf;oh she played in death in venice, and weirdly enough in Dune (as the reverend mother)
1493615;1467309229;asciilifeform;oh hey! yes
1493616;1467309235;mircea_popescu;she was hot in the late 40s / 50s, and competent thereafter.
1493617;1467309260;mircea_popescu;but smoking hot, at that.
1493618;1467310229;thestringpuller;jihan wu, bout to lose a lot of money.
1493619;1467310750;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/YQe
1493620;1467310750;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1493621;1467310841;shinohai;Also in the run moar SSL department: https://www.computest.nl/blog/startencrypt-considered-harmful-today/
1493622;1467312456;asciilifeform;$up yangwao
1493623;1467312456;deedbot;yangwao voiced for 30 minutes.
1493624;1467312463;yangwao;o/
1493625;1467312468;asciilifeform;who might you be, yangwao ?
1493626;1467312555;yangwao;well. Holiday programmer who just found bad implementation in libsodium (a.k.a C implementation of NaCl)
1493627;1467312564;yangwao;nothing really special, just some daily memory leaks :D
1493628;1467312580;jurov;who made it? djb himself?
1493629;1467312580;asciilifeform;what's a holiday programmer ?
1493630;1467312668;yangwao;NaCl is ok (hope), I think, there just problems in libsodium, ehm this one https://github.com/jedisct1/libsodium
1493631;1467312711;yangwao;and I might found another in JOSE, in X25519.. but looks its still in rfc draft thing
1493632;1467312735;*;yangwao https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-jose-cfrg-curves-02
1493633;1467312872;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1493634;1467312872;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1493635;1467312909;asciilifeform;how goes the lispificated gentoo gabriel_laddel ?
1493636;1467312950;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: terrible atm - cannot generate a initial ram filesystem that works correctly :/
1493637;1467312973;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i suggest taking my buildroot configs as example
1493638;1467312984;asciilifeform;(they produce working initramfs, with bitcoin in it)
1493639;1467313149;gabriel_laddel;I looked into it previously, and it seemed that simply modifying the working initramfs I have now would be much faster - but no such luck yet.
1493640;1467313183;gabriel_laddel;I can unpack the thing, inspect & modify the tree, but when repacking it and writing it to the USB == kernel panic
1493641;1467313215;gabriel_laddel;Even unpacking and then repackaging it causes this - so must be that I have two versions of cpio installed or some nonsense..
1493642;1467313227;asciilifeform;eventually gabriel_laddel will see the light.
1493643;1467313248;gabriel_laddel;the light being that the buildroot people already handled this for me?
1493644;1467313248;asciilifeform;which is: that the whole shebang must burn.
1493645;1467313261;asciilifeform;initramfs, cpio, the idiot kernel, the whole thing.
1493646;1467313269;asciilifeform;gcc. c.
1493647;1467313277;asciilifeform;all. of. it.
1493648;1467313282;gabriel_laddel;Oh yeah, I'm /very/ much on board with that.
1493649;1467313295;gabriel_laddel;Hence this whole project.
1493650;1467313326;asciilifeform;iirc gabriel_laddel's project was a kind of improved gentoo ?
1493651;1467313353;asciilifeform;(a potentially useful thing, but quite certainly not the demolition spoken of earlier)
1493652;1467313367;gabriel_laddel;gentoo with CLIM as the default graphics library, conkeror (emacs style browser) and a bunch of math goodies more or less
1493653;1467313390;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493626 << get in wot eh.
1493654;1467313390;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 18:49 yangwao: well. Holiday programmer who just found bad implementation in libsodium (a.k.a C implementation of NaCl)
1493655;1467313400;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: what are you using for a framebuffer ?
1493656;1467313409;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: X
1493657;1467313422;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: consider a headless x, where you have to connect from outside the box
1493658;1467313429;asciilifeform;can ditch the gpu crapolade then
1493659;1467313432;asciilifeform;symbolics-style.
1493660;1467313486;asciilifeform;(they imho had very much the right idea re separation of churc^H^H^H^H^Hcpu and sta^H^H^Hconsole
1493661;1467313487;asciilifeform;)
1493662;1467313526;asciilifeform;ideally it would be over a crossover Gb ethernet cable.
1493663;1467313551;phf;gabriel_laddel: have you looked at closure (the web browser), have you tried bringing it up to date, etc?
1493664;1467313568;gabriel_laddel;phf: I did - it requires more work than it is worth atm
1493665;1467313589;phf;gabriel_laddel: also have you looked at CLIM source code that i think allegro people have released
1493666;1467313606;mircea_popescu;altogether the attempt to make a "web browser" work seems educational (read : selffuckstick) than anything. we don't even want tcp to survive, let alone html, css or js.
1493667;1467313621;asciilifeform;phf: i dun recall anything franz released ever working properly with anything other than allegro
1493668;1467313628;gabriel_laddel;phf: glanced at it - why?
1493669;1467313638;phf;just curious if it's in a working state
1493670;1467313657;gabriel_laddel;nfi - it has a bunch of C, so I skipped it
1493671;1467313666;phf;i'm pretty sure that's the one with genera heritage, so as close to the mothership
1493672;1467313689;phf;they probably do x11 through ffi and other such things
1493673;1467313691;gabriel_laddel;I met the franz doods irl once. Cannot understand *why* they do what they do at all.
1493674;1467313708;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: iirc franz is 100% usg-powered now.
1493675;1467313712;asciilifeform;and has been for ~decade.
1493676;1467313736;phf;yeah, i'm surprised they weren't involved in, say, ITA
1493677;1467313745;asciilifeform;ita used clozure iirc
1493678;1467313750;phf;*was surprised when
1493679;1467313761;phf;ita used sbcl for their main product
1493680;1467313763;asciilifeform;~nobody wants to pay the runtime royalties.
1493681;1467313790;phf;and clozure for their experimental product, which i'm not sure if that ended up getting delivered. that was like a separate ticketing system for some canadian airline
1493682;1467313807;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-01#1334724 << re the acquisition of franz
1493683;1467313807;a111;Logged on 2015-12-01 19:10 ascii_field: but it is conceivable that xanalys was tired of paying for dev runtimes, which were expensive
1493684;1467313823;asciilifeform;phf: ah yes
1493685;1467313942;phf;i think nobody's ever tried making mcclim performant, and on top of that all this work was put into dodgy projects (like ttf and general prettification, not to mention that beach spent long time trying to make it render to html (!!!))
1493686;1467313970;asciilifeform;instead of KILLING WITH FIRE the disgusting athena widgets
1493687;1467313970;phf;so i was curious if that allegro thing might be better in that respect, but i suspect it's one of those 20% rewrite, 80% patching projects
1493688;1467313983;*;asciilifeform loathes few gui proggies more than clim
1493689;1467314012;phf;i'm pretty sure athena in mcclim is not even real athena, but rather a simulation, because that was gui state of the art when mcclim started
1493690;1467314014;asciilifeform;it isn't even about 'pretty'
1493691;1467314027;asciilifeform;it is about how if i am cooking in a kitchen, there should be NO human shit in the sink
1493692;1467314030;asciilifeform;not negotiable.
1493693;1467314033;gabriel_laddel;you have some sort of problem with geometry?
1493694;1467314034;gabriel_laddel;or?
1493695;1467314047;asciilifeform;it simply stinks.
1493696;1467314081;gabriel_laddel;it just hands you geometry + some basic ways of abstracting it - what could possibly stink?
1493697;1467314083;gabriel_laddel;presentations?
1493698;1467314088;gabriel_laddel;streams?
1493699;1467314098;asciilifeform;all of it. slow and dog-ugly.
1493700;1467314108;asciilifeform;and makes my hands literally hurt (ignored mouse wheel, etc)
1493701;1467314266;phf;that sounds like TK problem. like out of the box tk is dog ugly and unpleasant to use, but you can get a designer (an actual one, not like "designer") play with geometries, color and fonts to make it look quite good. i think athena would've benefited from somebody who's not an autist looking at it
1493702;1467314303;asciilifeform;phf: there are fundamental problems, of playing well with platform's foundational ui
1493703;1467314317;asciilifeform;for instance, on mac, anything that doesn't DIRECTLY use the native api WILL look like shit
1493704;1467314322;phf;that's is an unsolvable problem.
1493705;1467314338;asciilifeform;whereas on my battlestation, i use ratpoison and a wall of lcd, and anything that spawns windows will look like shit
1493706;1467314373;phf;there's literally not a single system that solved this problem satisfyingly
1493707;1467314378;asciilifeform;likewise certain www sites i can't even load normally because they turn to soup given my screen geometry (i use strictly tall vertical displays)
1493708;1467314393;phf;even gkt/qt that came pretty close look like uncanny valley on mac
1493709;1467314400;asciilifeform;phf: it is important to determine what subset of the problem is even worth solving.
1493710;1467314498;gabriel_laddel;ftr, if you have funtoo / gentoo questions, angry_vincent on #funtoo is quite well versed in the idioms.
1493711;1467314544;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: ask him how it is acceptable to break everybody's box every six months.
1493712;1467314544;phf;i think that clim would benefit from removing all decorations and rolling it back to genera style thin and thick lines to at the very least get the baseline speed in place
1493713;1467314546;asciilifeform;motherfuckers.
1493714;1467314575;asciilifeform;phf: i could live with this.
1493715;1467314579;asciilifeform;but - no mouse wheel, no go.
1493716;1467314583;phf;then you make sure that default fonts and geometries make sense
1493717;1467314597;phf;with a designer
1493718;1467314610;asciilifeform;the other thing is that we are unfortunately stuck with something like ttf, because displays DO vary in density
1493719;1467314614;phf;yeah, solve problems like mouse wheel, and general awareness of what's available in x11
1493720;1467314619;asciilifeform;i have 3 different dpi in my array
1493721;1467314625;asciilifeform;by factor of FOUR
1493722;1467314640;phf;have 3 different fontsets, no way is ttf a solution
1493723;1467314664;asciilifeform;as soon as somebody supplies these - game.
1493724;1467314674;phf;not saying it's your responsibility, mcclim needs to solve that problem internally
1493725;1467314676;asciilifeform;(and if they dun have cyrillic, greek, etc. glyphs - no game.)
1493726;1467314759;phf;yeah, it's a hard problem unrelated to clim
1493727;1467314795;phf;like i'm not convinced that cyrillic, greek etc. should be implemented on cl's character level, as opposed to something like ccl's concept of Rune
1493728;1467314843;phf;"problem" is nobody's working on it
1493729;1467314854;asciilifeform;if they aren't on character level, what, i can't search, sort, etc. them ??
1493730;1467314856;asciilifeform;fuck that.
1493731;1467314890;phf;why?
1493732;1467314894;asciilifeform;phf: serious folks are avoiding the serious problems because they CORRECTLY intuit that there is not a stable foundation on which to solve them.
1493733;1467314908;asciilifeform;i.e., that their blood will go to waste.
1493734;1467314912;phf;search and sort and the rest take :key
1493735;1467314958;phf;folks avoiding the serious problems because they are fat fucks with feelings, not because they correctly intuit :p
1493736;1467314960;asciilifeform;(what means 'wasted blood' ? see http://trilema.com/2014/what-interests-me-in-a-project for what i mean here. )
1493737;1467314970;asciilifeform;phf: ~serious~ folks
1493738;1467314975;asciilifeform;not speaking of the vermin here.
1493739;1467314983;asciilifeform;but folks ~capable~ of solving serious problemz.
1493740;1467314986;phf;show me these serious folks
1493741;1467315006;phf;erm, gotta go
1493742;1467315007;*;phf brb
1493743;1467315128;asciilifeform;let's put it this way - recall my attempt at 'repairing gentoo' ?
1493744;1467315133;asciilifeform;or naggum's - of emacs ?
1493745;1467315156;asciilifeform;to suggest that a thinking man spend his life this way, is quite like 'why dontcha close the embrasure of this pillbox with your body'
1493746;1467315245;asciilifeform;there is 0 point to cleaning a barrel that is being shat into faster than anyone could possibly hope to clean it.
1493747;1467315270;asciilifeform;if anything, it is an act of evil, forestalls the inevitable field of rubble and gives false hope
1493748;1467315287;asciilifeform;( see also, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492767 )
1493749;1467315287;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 15:48 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform empty and full of rubble does wonders to keep hopes down (and hope, expectation of future, TRULY is the mind eater for usians. be hopeless, you win.) and officious intermeddlers at a distance sufficient to breed actual people with some frequency.
1493750;1467315763;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493716 << sadly this is like "army boot size that make sense"
1493751;1467315763;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 19:23 phf: then you make sure that default fonts and geometries make sense
1493752;1467315863;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493735 << nah, really, look at tmsr and it's absurd levels of fully deficit spending. re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492874
1493753;1467315863;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 19:44 phf: the fact that you run shell scripts on your data basically disqualifies you from participating in management. you're supposed to leverage, that shell script is $500k initial investment ruby on rails project
1493754;1467315863;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 19:29 phf: folks avoiding the serious problems because they are fat fucks with feelings, not because they correctly intuit :p
1493755;1467315879;mircea_popescu;fact is, when as much as a vague hint of the flavour of the possibility of a stable base is presented, people go nuts working hands to bone to build it up
1493756;1467315883;mircea_popescu;i think he has it. no basis.
1493757;1467315923;mircea_popescu;the knowledge that your work shall be forever useful is not even in the same ballpark with the knowledge you can now buy six more lattes.
1493758;1467316774;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493750 << except that not! consider the quoted bit in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
1493759;1467316774;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 19:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493716 << sadly this is like "army boot size that make sense"
1493760;1467316798;asciilifeform;the 'army boot' quandry comes from having to standardize the glyph as a bitmap.
1493761;1467316851;asciilifeform;but in actuality a sane definition of a glyph is: program, which takes a point in a region of 2d plane and tells you if said point is darkened by said glyph.
1493762;1467316889;asciilifeform;and there are not so many of these, and necessary language is a quite limited subset of henderson's lisp
1493763;1467316926;asciilifeform;the beauty is that affine transforms , you get for free.
1493764;1467316929;asciilifeform;forever.
1493765;1467316941;asciilifeform;$s henderson
1493766;1467316942;a111;5 results for "henderson", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=henderson
1493767;1467317020;asciilifeform;(NOT, before anyone asks, turing-complete, for fuxsake)
1493768;1467317049;asciilifeform;just 'is this point black,' eats x, y.
1493769;1467317069;asciilifeform;(and X,Y bounding box.)
1493770;1467317125;asciilifeform;~in general~ whenever you find yourself solving 'army boot' problems, know that you are operating with broken abstractions.
1493771;1467317157;trinque;neat, sounds similar approach to a shader
1493772;1467317178;asciilifeform;in all cases the correct solution is liquid boot that the soldiers dip feet in. whenever technologically plausible!
1493773;1467317223;asciilifeform;trinque: but with NO special categories. ALL graphical objects on the machine must obey said formulation.
1493774;1467317242;asciilifeform;you thereby get composability.
1493775;1467317245;asciilifeform;sanely.
1493776;1467317289;asciilifeform;sorta what mircea_popescu was getting at, i suspect, when he mentioned svg.
1493777;1467317316;asciilifeform;(svg is a braindamaged monkey implementation of some of the above principles.)
1493778;1467317335;asciilifeform;the only, afaik, currently extant one
1493779;1467317359;asciilifeform;'postscript' was a much earlier attempt.
1493780;1467317496;asciilifeform;it is important to realize the full implications.
1493781;1467317551;asciilifeform;per the above scheme, 'glyph' is no longer a 'special' animal. 'mona lisa' can be a glyph, and so can a mandelbrot zoom generated for one particular occasion.
1493782;1467317573;asciilifeform;it is simply reduced to what it really is - simply a viewport blit.
1493783;1467317584;asciilifeform;instead of some systemwide magic.
1493784;1467317592;*;asciilifeform bbl
1493785;1467318307;asciilifeform;i will give another example!
1493786;1467318346;asciilifeform;the SANE way to transport audio is ALSO as a compactified lisp proggy, which takes time T and returns a rational multiplicand for the maximum DAC voltage to be present at that time !
1493787;1467318358;asciilifeform;(for stereo, quadrangular, etc. recordings - you simply need 2+ of these!)
1493788;1467318366;asciilifeform;so, e.g., a sinusoid, will be a very short one
1493789;1467318372;asciilifeform;a hitler speech - longer
1493790;1467318395;asciilifeform;.. consisting of a multitude of Ts and Vs - or fewer, if you include a decompressor of one kind or another
1493791;1467318438;asciilifeform;(the correct way to include the decompressor is via v linkage. that is to say, a signed hash thereof, i.e. an index into a wotronic cryptographic global namespace.)
1493792;1467318466;trinque;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309 << for teh log readers.
1493793;1467318474;asciilifeform;linked earlier
1493794;1467318480;trinque;ah right
1493795;1467318564;asciilifeform;the beauty is that you can impose hard limits on the evaluating environments for these 'programs', them being non-turingcomplete, and thus you can make mechanical hard pronouncements re their properties.
1493796;1467318583;asciilifeform;e.g., that 'will calculate arithmetical answer in C or fewer cycles, and no side effects'
1493797;1467318613;asciilifeform;at any rate, all of this is old hat to folks who read my www.
1493798;1467318663;asciilifeform;but, granted, it is VERY difficult to digest for folks still viewing the ~possible~ through the shit-glasses of the ~extant~.
1493799;1467318718;asciilifeform;e.g.,  'fuck you i ain't running no PROGRAMS embedded in no stinkin' music file'
1493800;1467318775;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1493801;1467325804;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493768 << kinda slow neh ? but yes, i'm in agreement that glyps have no business being involved in programming, it's a display matter not more.
1493802;1467325804;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 20:04 asciilifeform: just 'is this point black,' eats x, y.
1493803;1467325817;mircea_popescu;the problem may also start where keyboards have to have shit printed on them through a legacy process.
1493804;1467325844;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493777 << yes.
1493805;1467325844;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 20:08 asciilifeform: (svg is a braindamaged monkey implementation of some of the above principles.)
1493806;1467325849;mircea_popescu;quite exactly.
1493807;1467325896;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493795 << aha word.
1493808;1467325896;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 20:29 asciilifeform: the beauty is that you can impose hard limits on the evaluating environments for these 'programs', them being non-turingcomplete, and thus you can make mechanical hard pronouncements re their properties.
1493809;1467325930;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493799 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493407 :D
1493810;1467325930;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 15:38 asciilifeform: trinque: fact remains, if you think i'm gonna run a binary, ANYONE's binary, for whatever reason, yer smoking dope.
1493811;1467325931;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 20:31 asciilifeform: e.g.,  'fuck you i ain't running no PROGRAMS embedded in no stinkin' music file'
1493812;1467329447;phf;funny how a lot of these ideas have been explored, grokked and then promptly not accepted
1493813;1467329513;phf;for example NeWS was gui system that did exactly what asciilifeform described, using what they called display postscript
1493814;1467329548;phf;http://www.art.net/studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lang/NeWS.html
1493815;1467329606;phf;or common lisp music which is a subset of common lisp to describe a wavelength generation/transformation/composition (i'm pretty sure it was used to do first computer FM synthesis)
1493816;1467329640;phf;(actually news and display postscript are not the same technology, but same idea)
1493817;1467329733;phf;http://www.art.net/studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/psiber/11.gif
1493818;1467330025;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493744 << i think of these projects in the same terms i think of "knowledge" in general. same way as there's no abstract scientific knowledge that's somehow "accessible" to "society", there isn't universal good value to naggum's emacs, but there would've been value in naggum's ~to me~ as a kind of abstract node in what i'm hoping is a graph of sane people. same way as "scientific knowledge" is only a kind of comm
1493819;1467330025;phf;unication happening across long periods of time and space among certain kind of individuals
1493820;1467330025;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 19:32 asciilifeform: or naggum's - of emacs ?
1493821;1467330121;phf;for example naggum specced out "LOCAL-TIME" concept in his "long painful history of time" paper, and it's an excellent solution. per your argument it's true that the actual communal implementation of local-time is a piece of shit. (if you've never read it, it's really horrible)
1493822;1467330177;adlai;CLM (DLed from https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/clm/ ) does not compile due to package definitions in wrong files... the joys of bitrot
1493823;1467330220;adlai;phf: have you had problems with local-time's functioning?
1493824;1467330232;phf;adlai: yes
1493825;1467330240;*;adlai has treated it as a black box of Just Fucking Works... what went wrong for you?
1493826;1467330277;phf;well, there was a bunch of things, so i'm just going to hand waive it, but one major issue is that it doesn't actually have a date, time, datetime separation
1493827;1467330297;phf;so 2016-01-01 will do very very wrong things depending on specific timezone combinations
1493828;1467330351;adlai;yeah, the abstraction would better be called "timestamp"
1493829;1467330379;phf;correct, but if it's timestamp then reader ~must~ fail on missing times, timezones
1493830;1467330399;adlai;but then it wouldn't be unix enough!
1493831;1467330402;phf;:D
1493832;1467330438;adlai;the unixification of common lisp is glorious to behold, like galaxies colliding
1493833;1467330439;phf;i got exposed to library as part of my attempt to revive cl-ledger, that actually doesn't need time component at all. as an accounting tool it almost entirely deals with dates (except in its timetracking functionality)
1493834;1467330479;phf;and of course, every single assumption ledger makes breaks, when you twiddle you machine's system timezone
1493835;1467330505;phf;lugm-time makes it very explicit that this is a wrong behavior
1493836;1467330510;trinque;that's heinous.
1493837;1467330568;trinque;makes me feel better that so far I've stuck with int representations of time in my CL programs
1493838;1467330584;trinque;get-universal-time and whatever the other one is, decode?
1493839;1467330615;phf;decode-universal-time, get-decoded-time
1493840;1467330633;adlai;local-time:timestamp-to-unix and its vice-versa give you this. i guess my use of local-time has been primarily to display timestamps readably
1493841;1467330640;adlai;and parse
1493842;1467330689;adlai;the number of bitcoin exchanges that give human-readable timestamps in API calls (because all API calls are done by hand and read by eye, right!?) is too damn high
1493843;1467330731;phf;well, problems start manifesting when you start doing math on your times, and asking for things like 2 years and 1 hour later, etc.
1493844;1467330764;phf;2 years from 2016-01-01 is totally different from 2016-01-01T00:00:00Z
1493845;1467330836;phf;amusingly where the underlying technology is super solid (because specced out by naggum) interface implementation is piece of shit, because written by kommmunitee
1493846;1467330852;phf;amusingly enough java, via joda-time, is one of the few solutions that get it right
1493847;1467331008;trinque;enterprise bureaucracy systems must have proper scheduling
1493848;1467331186;phf;asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn't have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn't write his paper, i wouldn't. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach
1493849;1467331269;adlai;CLM is thoroughly bitrot ;_;
1493850;1467331273;phf;if naggum wrote his emacs, or at the very least started one, then i wouldn't be necessarily stuck without a text editor i could trust or work with (hemlock being a particularly bad implementation, and emacs corrupted beyond redemption, etc)
1493851;1467331330;phf;and even if the kommuniti picked it up and fucked it up we could've still had a "tmsr version -- last naggum release" baseline or whatever
1493852;1467331425;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-July/000226.html
1493853;1467331495;trinque;mod6: nice work on tb0t
1493854;1467331510;mod6;hey, thanks trinque o7
1493855;1467331738;mod6;Got the next number of days off here.  Gonna try to hit the ground running here in July.
1493856;1467331744;mod6;:]
1493857;1467331839;*;trinque does not want to eventually say "if asciilifeform had built his computer"
1493858;1467331892;trinque;phf: isn't the reason he didn't that he was that car without fuel?
1493859;1467331952;trinque;my reaction to GPL earlier has to do with that. we're all lamenting the wreckage, and wasn't it precisely that too many morons got involved in the craft?
1493860;1467331989;trinque;how is a naggum supposed to do anything if software is free
1493861;1467331994;trinque;or if alf's computer is free
1493862;1467332055;trinque;I could see myself sharing technology with someone if I see that it benefits me in some way, or at large if it has some strategic benefit to me, and not otherwise in service to a philosophical code
1493863;1467332122;trinque;I don't lament that there isn't some opensource naggum editor out there; I lament that I can't spend 20k or w/e and buy an actual computer
1493864;1467332298;phf;you can lament over both, and work towards both goals
1493865;1467332362;phf;not that you have time of course :)
1493866;1467332364;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493812 << because gotta unify WHOLE BOX , instead of 'waaaaa it clashes with me Unix Way!111'
1493867;1467332364;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 23:30 phf: funny how a lot of these ideas have been explored, grokked and then promptly not accepted
1493868;1467332405;phf;asciilifeform: i'm not going to be a proxy gabriel!
1493869;1467332421;trinque;phf: there's bad economic technology at the root of the rotten tree of computing, is my meandering rant
1493870;1467332459;asciilifeform;trinque: unlike cpu etc, i have nfi what solution to your bit would even look like.
1493871;1467332468;trinque;me either. still a problem.
1493872;1467332476;asciilifeform;wholly martian problem.
1493873;1467332476;trinque;army's gotta eat
1493874;1467332514;asciilifeform;and since mircea_popescu is sleeping, i will have to barf in his place:
1493875;1467332533;asciilifeform;'only the WEAK eat!'
1493876;1467332537;trinque;l0l
1493877;1467332566;trinque;could very well be that computing is for the nephews of 2100s Lords.
1493878;1467332574;asciilifeform;'True Übermenschen with Will, live off the energy of the hatred of their contemptible worm enemies!!!!'
1493879;1467332598;phf;that sounds more lafond than mp ;)
1493880;1467332631;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu at least makes coffee from hatred of enemies!11
1493881;1467332667;mircea_popescu;sooo... du has no sorting ? who the fuck!
1493882;1467332682;phf;oh shit, mp's back, act busy
1493883;1467332728;asciilifeform;du | sort ...
1493884;1467332730;mircea_popescu;lol
1493885;1467332744;mircea_popescu;yeah, why the fuck not, type pipes every time, cus it's so fucking hard to have a switch.
1493886;1467332748;asciilifeform;yoooooniks waaay!
1493887;1467332753;mircea_popescu;you know what, du has no reason to even list things other than by size
1493888;1467332769;asciilifeform;switches are heathen
1493889;1467332774;asciilifeform;pipe.
1493890;1467332774;mircea_popescu;i already put the u switch in the fucking name
1493891;1467332784;asciilifeform;lel
1493892;1467332787;mircea_popescu;next grep is going to need a switch to actually search
1493893;1467332793;mircea_popescu;it just thought maybe you want things piped through!
1493894;1467332806;mircea_popescu;fuycking windowstards. du -du -du -du.
1493895;1467332827;mircea_popescu;and then | du for good measure. because what it could possibly be needed for
1493896;1467332879;asciilifeform;du takes input?!
1493897;1467332915;phf;blood and tears of windows users
1493898;1467332957;asciilifeform;my car runs on that
1493899;1467332977;asciilifeform;nearly enough.
1493900;1467332981;mircea_popescu;in other news, backup process silently fails because move file > 4gb
1493901;1467332981;phf;so plan9 actually got rid of find. you're supposed to use `du|grep` for that
1493902;1467332986;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE WHY THE FUCK NOT
1493903;1467333010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dun tell me you were backing up onto fat32
1493904;1467333028;mircea_popescu;nope.
1493905;1467333038;mircea_popescu;tb disks all around, plenty of space.
1493906;1467333041;asciilifeform;then wtf
1493907;1467333055;asciilifeform;ext2 ?
1493908;1467333059;mircea_popescu;but someone somewhere decided to go all http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486236
1493909;1467333059;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 15:23 mircea_popescu: if the item in question is uploaded via ssh-mysql directly,  phpmyadmin (common mysql interface) dies when trying to say "edit" the column, and wordpress itself fails to pipe the content to apache.
1493910;1467333071;asciilifeform;from what to what did mircea_popescu move the filez
1493911;1467333078;mircea_popescu;one box to another.
1493912;1467333087;*;trinque mistrusts anything other than rsync for this
1493913;1467333088;asciilifeform;yeah but which fs
1493914;1467333101;mircea_popescu;they're both the same ext dood. no fs involved.
1493915;1467333102;trinque;tried baculas and duplicities and all other manner of bullshit
1493916;1467333108;mircea_popescu;trinque just a pile of .sh
1493917;1467333147;trinque;ah, what a pain.
1493918;1467333171;mircea_popescu;aaanywya.
1493919;1467333291;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493815 << unremarkably, technology has short halflife among monkey tribe.
1493920;1467333291;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 23:33 phf: or common lisp music which is a subset of common lisp to describe a wavelength generation/transformation/composition (i'm pretty sure it was used to do first computer FM synthesis)
1493921;1467333307;mircea_popescu;you know what else was "explored, groked and then... '''not accepted'''" ? linen.
1493922;1467333310;mircea_popescu;felt for top hats.
1493923;1467333320;mircea_popescu;shoes for women that actually work. you know, to walk in.
1493924;1467333324;mircea_popescu;using your hands to cook.
1493925;1467333331;mircea_popescu;food made out of organic matter.
1493926;1467333394;adlai;amazingly enough software has a halflife even when at rest. CLM doesn't compile today.
1493927;1467333414;adlai;(and the bugs are literal bitrot. random # appears in between ', because it feels like it)
1493928;1467333416;mircea_popescu;but yes, you're entirely correct in that there's no such thing as "scientific knowledge", in the sense of a sort of secret football team in the sky that plays and wins for the average derp, once each day and twice on sunday.
1493929;1467333431;asciilifeform;adlai: could be just your copy ?
1493930;1467333448;adlai;try it. it's in walk.lisp.
1493931;1467333468;asciilifeform;last i tried, decade or so ago, it built...
1493932;1467333473;*;adlai ~just~ downloaded it fresh from www https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/clm/
1493933;1467333479;asciilifeform;gotta dredge up the thing
1493934;1467333489;asciilifeform;perhaps i have the last clean copy..
1493935;1467333518;phf;adlai: clm is not "compile all files without thinking" system
1493936;1467333537;mircea_popescu;the things people do once off drugs.
1493937;1467333541;asciilifeform;i bet there are stinking allegroisms in there
1493938;1467333544;adlai;then why does the .asd have one file, "all.lisp"
1493939;1467333549;phf;there aren't allegroisms in there
1493940;1467333562;phf;you don't load asd
1493941;1467333577;phf;all.lisp does some very specific things
1493942;1467333588;phf;and it will fail earlier then it has to touch walk.lisp (i'm pretty sure)
1493943;1467333589;adlai;mircea_popescu: amazingly, the last doctor i saw told me that i have two choices: take the meds, or don't... but tell people you're off them
1493944;1467333607;mircea_popescu;how come ?
1493945;1467333634;adlai;because he thinks i should never touch any drug ever. i didn't ask about coffee or glucose but myeah.
1493946;1467333661;*;adlai exaggerates slightly, but this doc is not a pill pusher, which is why i sought him out - confirmation bias ftw!
1493947;1467333663;phf;adlai: i think that bit is just typo, the '# switch, since that's essentially dead code for all practical purposes
1493948;1467333748;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493848 << yeah, doesn't affect you until you open a dentist's clinic and the customers "are confused".
1493949;1467333748;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 23:59 phf: asciilifeform: but to get back to my point, the fact that local-time as implemented by kommmuniti is shit doesn't have to affect ~me~. i know what the right way (or a better one) of doing things is, but if naggum didn't write his paper, i wouldn't. i thought that's kind of the WoT approach
1493950;1467333804;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493851 << this is becoming quite the thing huh.
1493951;1467333804;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 00:02 phf: and even if the kommuniti picked it up and fucked it up we could've still had a "tmsr version -- last naggum release" baseline or whatever
1493952;1467333896;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493859 << honestly, gpl, like everything else, started from the wrong premise. an expectation that "all people" WILL wreck your life, and everything you touch. all things, be they science, be they politics, be they family, love, art, whatever the fuck they be - are exactly that, a conversation between A SPECIAL KIND of people over whatever time and space expanses. nothing is open to the "com
1493953;1467333896;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 00:12 trinque: my reaction to GPL earlier has to do with that. we're all lamenting the wreckage, and wasn't it precisely that too many morons got involved in the craft?
1493954;1467333896;mircea_popescu;mon man". not one thing.
1493955;1467333931;mircea_popescu;the moment the bs with "everyone" and "anyone" and so on starts, the game's lost, all that's to be still established is the exact manner in which the fuck-up will manifest. but the fuck-up is already baked in at that early point.
1493956;1467333961;mircea_popescu;of course, as the legendary fool who's shown the moon and looks at the finger, people will then debate "what did it", in terms of, you know, if only we flavoured communism shit with THIS vanilla bean!
1493957;1467334008;trinque;$s remove trust
1493958;1467334008;a111;14 results for "remove trust", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=remove%20trust
1493959;1467334031;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493863 << the concept of "free" as used here is unsound. there is such a thing as technological cost. linux is free, it can bash, derps whine about "firefox automation tools". hurr.
1493960;1467334032;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 00:15 trinque: I don't lament that there isn't some opensource naggum editor out there; I lament that I can't spend 20k or w/e and buy an actual computer
1493961;1467334067;mircea_popescu;the correct model i think is sex. sex is free, to the asker ; it goes for a song. but it depends which asker and what song.
1493962;1467334127;asciilifeform;'linux is free if yer time has 0 value!11' (tm) (r)
1493963;1467334134;mircea_popescu;but in other lulz, my first computer cost, in ppp, about 200k in today's usd.
1493964;1467334148;asciilifeform;the pdp .
1493965;1467334150;asciilifeform;.
1493966;1467334157;mircea_popescu;no, a 286 with a 14 inch display.
1493967;1467334162;asciilifeform;ah
1493968;1467334190;mircea_popescu;salaries at the time 2-4k or so rol/mo ; rol to usd ~100 ; machine cost like 1800 or so if memory serves.
1493969;1467334204;asciilifeform;my 'искра', 8086 made for tank, ~same
1493970;1467334292;asciilifeform;lulzily, iirc a smbx 36xx was about 100k american usd in late '80s
1493971;1467334328;mircea_popescu;the only difference between actual people and the us scumbags is that someone apparently told the latter they have a say.
1493972;1467334334;mircea_popescu;so then they gotta opine on things and matters.
1493973;1467334343;asciilifeform;about ~= twin engined airplane, or basic ferrari
1493974;1467334490;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1493962 << while that true, not applicable here. you should see what a standard office drone does with a large csv in his excel. 8 hour work day so as to avoid 20 minutes' worth of awk, and that includes the time reading docs.
1493975;1467334490;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 00:48 asciilifeform: 'linux is free if yer time has 0 value!11' (tm) (r)
1493976;1467334499;asciilifeform;incidentally, i should like to learn what became of, e.g., racal norsk's lispm. or the french one, whose name escapes me
1493977;1467334532;asciilifeform;the euro folk were poor, and their lispms yet costlier and fewer in number than in usa
1493978;1467334549;asciilifeform;to the point that ~0 afaik remain...
1493979;1467334605;phf;or got alan kay'd (guy owns connection machine)
1493980;1467334630;asciilifeform;a fellow i know bought one
1493981;1467334640;asciilifeform;it sat in his cellar for a decade
1493982;1467334650;adlai;reading SoTRB, lemme get this straight: it's impossible to download openssl without... openssl?
1493983;1467334654;asciilifeform;(he never found a lispm to drive it with)
1493984;1467334669;phf;does he still have it?
1493985;1467334682;asciilifeform;phf: nope, iirc his wife threw it
1493986;1467334695;phf;don't tell me things like that
1493987;1467334724;asciilifeform;lel
1493988;1467334734;phf;fwiw she threw out a rembrandt, since it could be sold for 10-20-30k?
1493989;1467334743;asciilifeform;complicated
1493990;1467334758;asciilifeform;recall my attempt at selling ordinary 3620?
1493991;1467334772;asciilifeform;picture the cost of moving a cm
1493992;1467334773;phf;yeah, you're refusing to sell it, is what it is :>
1493993;1467334803;asciilifeform;it is still for sale, lol
1493994;1467334815;phf;list it on ebay, say "buyer figures out shipping options", it'll got for 4-5k
1493995;1467334828;asciilifeform;but i ain't stuffing it in a box with the usual moneyback
1493996;1467334839;phf;yeah, nobody will expect you to
1493997;1467334847;asciilifeform;because death is ~100%
1493998;1467334867;asciilifeform;unless hand-carried, in which case it is maybe 30%
1493999;1467334885;phf;you know that people who do these kind of things understand the issue :)
1494000;1467334895;asciilifeform;yeah and they charge 5k
1494001;1467334899;mircea_popescu;gotta love these boxes doing 7MB/s tho. for srs. 3gb in 7 minutes ? sign me up
1494002;1467334908;phf;asciilifeform: your buyer will pay it, is my point
1494003;1467334931;mircea_popescu;adlai yeah.
1494004;1467334935;asciilifeform;and when it arrives dead?
1494005;1467334936;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1494006;1467334949;phf;asciilifeform: buyer will be very sad, recap it, test it, etc.
1494007;1467334974;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know there is such a thing in business as "FOB"
1494008;1467334974;phf;for example i bought an xl1201, it's been sitting at a friend's place in seattle for 8 months now, because it's waiting for me to go there in person and pick it up myself
1494009;1467334977;asciilifeform;most likely crt will pop
1494010;1467334992;asciilifeform;it used a custom tube by 'clinton', not replaceable
1494011;1467335018;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ?
1494012;1467335033;mircea_popescu;"free on board". come pick it up ; if you don't we throw it in the water.
1494013;1467335054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that wouldn't net any real money
1494014;1467335073;mircea_popescu;how do you know what things would or wouldn't!
1494015;1467335098;asciilifeform;my only remaining interest in the thing is to net top dollarz
1494016;1467335117;phf;asciilifeform: if you're serious about selling it, i can make it happen. only reason i've not been pursuing this line, is because you're preemptively sabotaging the whole thing
1494017;1467335133;mircea_popescu;yes, but you're mixing things. (the item) is not = (the item) + (transport service for the item). you can't want "the item" to net you top dollars through sometyhing that's not the item.
1494018;1467335140;mircea_popescu;you wanna make money in logistics, get busy.
1494019;1467335148;mircea_popescu;you wanna make money selling item, sell item.
1494020;1467335175;asciilifeform;thing is still in my because i have 0 interest in working for min wage.
1494021;1467335193;asciilifeform;(which month of work to sell a few k$ box, is)
1494022;1467335205;adlai;btw, the way to get something sold is to pay a salesman commission.
1494023;1467335209;asciilifeform;*my kitchen
1494024;1467335218;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as economic inefficiencies, yeah.
1494025;1467335233;mircea_popescu;adlai apparently they ran out of jews in washington.
1494026;1467335233;asciilifeform;adlai: i dun keep one on retainer, sadly
1494027;1467335234;adlai;last i checked, tmsr has an ex-salesman? or at least a blogger who blogs a lot about how to sell
1494028;1467335257;adlai;throwimabone!
1494029;1467335262;mircea_popescu;it'd be better to recruit a local than to make someone leave warm sunny canada!
1494030;1467335277;asciilifeform;aint got none in my meatwot.
1494031;1467335283;mircea_popescu;and as a general fucking principle : make girlfriends, yo, don't figure out how to all be buttbudies.
1494032;1467335284;asciilifeform;and aint trusting strangers.
1494033;1467335285;adlai;i don't think you sell a lispm door-to-door
1494034;1467335288;mircea_popescu;a republic in every town!
1494035;1467335308;phf;asciilifeform: last time we talked about i basically got an impression that you don't want to sell it, which has been reconfirmed by this conversation, which is unfortunate since there are people who would actually put it to good use.
1494036;1467335313;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trust, what trust. trade with 'em, fuck 'em , and so following.
1494037;1467335314;adlai;how about you sell me a call on it
1494038;1467335318;asciilifeform;the box is on track to star in asciilifeform's peine forte et dure.
1494039;1467335319;mircea_popescu;nobody's saying to eatr with them, pray with them, etc.
1494040;1467335347;adlai;ie, you keep it, not for sale, and i pay rent
1494041;1467335367;adlai;phf outbids me and that's how markets are born
1494042;1467335398;mircea_popescu;o.O
1494043;1467335408;phf;adlai: i don't actually need it, i have an xl1201, which i bought after i realized asciilifeform is not going to sell his one. but i know at least 3 people that will pay recent ebay prices for it
1494044;1467335409;asciilifeform;anyway it can only be sold via wot, because buyer has to take my word that the thing isn't ~currently~ the pile of scrap it will almost certainly turn into when it moves.
1494045;1467335442;mircea_popescu;the buyer also has to shave her snatch and milk > 1 cup per teat.
1494046;1467335448;phf;^
1494047;1467335465;mircea_popescu;and if any redheads show signs of getting pregnant for this purpose, it'll be no gingers.
1494048;1467335477;mircea_popescu;(which is understandable - you need a soul to lisp)
1494049;1467335480;*;adlai reminds that his plan fell through to to problems on his own end
1494050;1467335481;asciilifeform;basically the exercise isn't worth my time for what i am likely to expend in time and what can realistically sell for.
1494051;1467335501;adlai;specifically, people liking to pay usg taxes
1494052;1467335515;asciilifeform;if thing were worth 20k, then perhaps
1494053;1467335517;adlai;inb4 "those are not 'people'"
1494054;1467335517;mircea_popescu;phf you laugh at him all you want, but his mental process is sensible, or at least common. if you think about it, why exactly is it that most wives aren't being turned out as we speak ?
1494055;1467335522;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY this, illusory or real.
1494056;1467335541;phf;i'm not even laughing, i'm mostly pissed
1494057;1467335562;*;asciilifeform has a ~very~ acute perception of the value of his time
1494058;1467335572;asciilifeform;result of long stretch in butugychag
1494059;1467335584;adlai;would you be willing to show a non-technical (but intelligent) visitor that it works?
1494060;1467335593;asciilifeform;yes.
1494061;1467335606;asciilifeform;if in wot
1494062;1467335608;phf;his objections are bogus, even the time/money thing, and they go through the usual asciilifeform escalations. thing can be taken of his hands within a week, for $5k or so, with no effort on his part, besides "take it to the front porch when a man gets there"
1494063;1467335628;*;adlai has relatives close to alf
1494064;1467335671;asciilifeform;adlai: machine can be in silver spring, md, working, on a week's notice.
1494065;1467335685;*;adlai said maryland!?
1494066;1467335690;asciilifeform;aha.
1494067;1467335710;adlai;they don't have to visit your house, but i never said maryland
1494068;1467335719;asciilifeform;office.
1494069;1467335725;adlai;aha.
1494070;1467335746;mircea_popescu;phf yeah, but then he wouldn't have it anymore.
1494071;1467335759;*;adlai will get back on this issue, unless phf's meatwot beats his meatwot to the meatpunch
1494072;1467335770;asciilifeform;takin' bids..
1494073;1467335785;asciilifeform;i have both old and new-type kbd.
1494074;1467335800;asciilifeform;old console, strictly, and 1 triax cable.
1494075;1467335820;asciilifeform;also buncha dud boards for various xl machines
1494076;1467335828;asciilifeform;and an empty tape drive chassis.
1494077;1467335830;phf;mircea_popescu: that's what i figured
1494078;1467335874;mats;Microsoft's 'Office 365' choked today
1494079;1467335892;asciilifeform;mats: how's that
1494080;1467335908;mats;work was not fun, i think virtually everyone with 365 was unable to send or receive external mail
1494081;1467335917;mircea_popescu;lmao
1494082;1467335923;mats;fucking cloud services
1494083;1467336006;mats;http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-office-365-email-outage-affecting-some-u-s-customers/
1494084;1467336033;asciilifeform;run moar microshit!111
1494085;1467336110;asciilifeform;btw if i had phf 's xl, i wouldn't sell
1494086;1467336116;asciilifeform;xl is spiffy
1494087;1467336124;asciilifeform;takes scsi disks
1494088;1467336140;asciilifeform;and doesn't need console
1494089;1467336157;asciilifeform;(can x11 into it)
1494090;1467336174;asciilifeform;~indestructible.
1494091;1467336206;mircea_popescu;if you DID have it, you wouldn't sell the 3620. because great.
1494092;1467336228;asciilifeform;i had 3620 because poorfag
1494093;1467336325;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51 << for anyone trying to follow thread
1494094;1467336446;asciilifeform;^ thing is about the size of pc fulltower, but weighs ~40kg, and console - similar
1494095;1467336521;asciilifeform;pulls ~= same wattage as a large vacuum cleaner, and sounds also very much like one when operating.
1494096;1467336672;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=52 , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=53 << console.
1494097;1467336799;phf;my first attempted motorcycle purchase went exactly like this. i show up, and the bike's fucking spiffy, a honda cafe racer conversion. i saw it on craigslist, research all the things, etc. etc. the conversation went something like "check out this thing that i did to this bike – ooh yeah it's cool, so i want to pick it up – yeah i replaced the pipe from this one to this other one - yeah i saw the original this is much better, so i want to pick
1494098;1467336799;phf; it up - oh and the seat is leather - very classy so i want to pick it up - anyway, maybe you should think about it - nah i want to pick it up - well give it a day or something - ... ok i'll pick it up tomorrow" haven't heard anything from the guy.
1494099;1467336823;asciilifeform;lel!
1494100;1467336832;asciilifeform;was it an 'ural' ??
1494101;1467336846;asciilifeform;oh honda
1494102;1467336894;asciilifeform;anyway no riced pipes in this one.
1494103;1467338681;BingoBoingo;* adlai exaggerates slightly, but this doc is not a pill pusher, which is why i sought him out - confirmation bias ftw! << Or he wants a baseline adlai without lsd...
1494104;1467338692;mircea_popescu;phf imagine if brothels worked like that.
1494105;1467338848;mircea_popescu;and in other nerws, http://66.media.tumblr.com/377826a655939544e74b1ac5e5960e81/tumblr_ny5ec6IwnA1u5z1ezo1_400.gif
1494106;1467338883;mircea_popescu;"alpha cuck"
1494107;1467342059;BingoBoingo;deedbot: http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
1494108;1467342158;BingoBoingo;^ trinque
1494109;1467342350;BingoBoingo;how to deed nao?
1494110;1467342382;deedbot;[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2016 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/07/qntra-s-qntr-june-2016-report/
1494111;1467342532;deedbot;[Qntra] Symantec Snake Oil Goes Rancid - http://qntra.net/2016/07/symantec-snake-oil-goes-rancid/
1494112;1467342548;mircea_popescu;deedbot http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
1494113;1467342553;mircea_popescu;hm.
1494114;1467342605;BingoBoingo;Was that still the missing other deedbot- job?
1494115;1467342636;mircea_popescu;"to 6 Honduran policeman on Wednesday" << policemen
1494116;1467342649;mircea_popescu;trinque hey seriously, no way to deed ? since whenever ?
1494117;1467342683;mircea_popescu;" not one of the every other countries that likes cocaine too" << "not one of the other countries where they like cocaine too"
1494118;1467342755;BingoBoingo;fxd
1494119;1467342822;asciilifeform;in other 'news', this year's underhanded c contest is a lul: http://underhanded-c.org/#summary
1494120;1467342844;asciilifeform;'This year's challenge (detailed below) is a real-world problem in nuclear verification, sponsored by and designed in partnership with the Nuclear Threat Initiative (http://www.nti.org/), a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization working to reduce the threat of ...'
1494121;1467342855;mircea_popescu;did they decide to make it about being nice to fat women instead ?
1494122;1467342886;asciilifeform;nah that's next year's!111
1494123;1467342893;mircea_popescu;"nonprofit, nonpartisan" sounds like it's a clinton-for-president thing
1494124;1467342920;BingoBoingo;Oh, mircea_popescu speaks 'Murican nao?
1494125;1467342933;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1494126;1467342955;asciilifeform;these are standard americanisms used by registered chur^H^H^H^Hnonprofits
1494127;1467342958;BingoBoingo;The whole decoding Clintonese
1494128;1467342976;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1494129;1467343045;BingoBoingo;Clintonese is a New York dialect that Pretends to be a hillbilly Arkansas tongue until it can use its husand like the first stage of a rocket for its own political career
1494130;1467343320;asciilifeform;incidentally, re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493235 - i suggest 'church of integrity' - loosely from hanbot's 'shall be delivered'
1494131;1467343320;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 13:22 mircea_popescu: shinohai kinda why i put this in the open, so people can come up with a good name maybe.
1494132;1467343346;trinque;it's $deed
1494133;1467343352;trinque;the thing does more than one command now
1494134;1467343355;mircea_popescu;church of x is a little dubious neh ?
1494135;1467343356;trinque;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu ^
1494136;1467343357;asciilifeform;ratin' folx - sacrament.
1494137;1467343362;trinque;$deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
1494138;1467343362;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1494139;1467343362;mircea_popescu;trinque ah ah cool.
1494140;1467343362;BingoBoingo;$deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
1494141;1467343363;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1494142;1467343365;trinque;aw crap
1494143;1467343367;trinque;lol
1494144;1467343368;mircea_popescu;kik
1494145;1467343370;mircea_popescu;$help
1494146;1467343370;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1494147;1467343384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can always skip the 'church of' prefix.
1494148;1467343387;mircea_popescu;^ not in there!
1494149;1467343389;trinque;I'll make sure that one goes through, and $deed will work in a few min
1494150;1467343392;mircea_popescu;$feed
1494151;1467343393;trinque;yeah will update help too
1494152;1467343409;trinque;there aren't any feed commands; I just put them in the db
1494153;1467343417;mircea_popescu;kik
1494154;1467349689;BingoBoingo;$deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
1494155;1467349689;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1494156;1467349725;trinque;I'm over here pulling at his guts
1494157;1467349730;trinque;I'll put that in
1494158;1467349770;trinque;BingoBoingo: is that the one from earlier?
1494159;1467349782;trinque;already went, but my node doesn't see it yet for some reason
1494160;1467349976;trinque;node's like 20 blocks behind because reasons
1494161;1467350344;BingoBoingo;yeah
1494162;1467350892;trinque;$deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
1494163;1467350929;deedbot;accepted: 1
1494164;1467350938;trinque;fxd
1494165;1467350976;BingoBoingo;ty
1494166;1467351084;trinque;$deed http://dpaste.com/18W3YQY.txt
1494167;1467351109;deedbot;accepted: 1
1494168;1467351308;trinque;$help
1494169;1467351308;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1494170;1467351313;trinque;^ updated with $deed
1494171;1467351628;mircea_popescu;nice.
1494172;1467373100;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494170   <<< very cool
1494173;1467373100;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 05:35 trinque: ^ updated with $deed
1494174;1467375013;mircea_popescu;$up DaoSancho
1494175;1467375014;deedbot;DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
1494176;1467375059;shinohai;Morning Senor Popescu how goes it?
1494177;1467375069;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1494178;1467375077;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 678.33, vol: 7829.46519718 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 662.014, vol: 10617.98838 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 679.93, vol: 46887.39888891 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 1.096 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 681.493448, vol: 43281.03350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 2388.00600844 | Volume-weighted last average: 678.714472444
1494179;1467375143;mircea_popescu;not bad!
1494180;1467375200;mircea_popescu;how about yourself ?
1494181;1467375257;shinohai;Nice here, having some tea and watching sunrise.
1494182;1467375294;shinohai;I need to go out to store before all the 4th-of-July derps clog up the roads.
1494183;1467375380;mircea_popescu;im having rum and watching butts rise. altogether a wash!
1494184;1467375610;shinohai;Rum sounds like an excellent idea, may pick up a bottle later.
1494185;1467375639;mircea_popescu;havana club or no deal!
1494186;1467375708;thestringpuller;shinohai: no work for you today?
1494187;1467375738;thestringpuller;also shinohai how can you stand driving in your area? I was there during rush hour last night and think I had a minor stroke.
1494188;1467375742;shinohai;thestringpuller: I don't have a job other than trb/Qntra
1494189;1467375757;shinohai;Don't drive either, I use taxis :D
1494190;1467375764;thestringpuller;MUST BE NICE
1494191;1467375773;thestringpuller;:D
1494192;1467375805;shinohai;You too can sit at home all day if you allow an undocumented worker hit you with a forklift!
1494193;1467375924;shinohai;mircea_popescu: Which one are you drinking? I see like 7 types of Havana club for sale.
1494194;1467375930;shinohai;Añejo Especial looks yummy.
1494195;1467375939;thestringpuller;Oh wow! Sorry to hear that happened :( At least you can work on real stuff now? (Brighter side of darkness?)
1494196;1467375995;shinohai;There are worse fates.
1494197;1467376045;mircea_popescu;anejo 7yo prolly best.
1494198;1467376213;mircea_popescu;motherfucker.
1494199;1467376224;mircea_popescu;in which we find nano ignores the r / -fill= switch
1494200;1467376227;mircea_popescu;BECAUSE WHY THE FUCKNO
1494201;1467377093;thestringpuller;you're using nano?
1494202;1467377144;mircea_popescu;evidently
1494203;1467377453;thestringpuller;i always figured you'd use emacs.
1494204;1467378520;mircea_popescu;nah
1494205;1467379555;shinohai;He uses nah-no
1494206;1467379875;mircea_popescu;lol
1494207;1467379887;mircea_popescu;i also use vi!
1494208;1467379901;mircea_popescu;and sometimes i actually edit files straight from bash.
1494209;1467379902;*;shinohai adores vi
1494210;1467379989;shinohai;I dislike nano because I like having line #'s displayed
1494211;1467380015;mircea_popescu;doing some research in the bowels of trilema i fell upon http://trilema.com/2014/the-internet-race-gap/ "So to sum up : the average number of black people on the Internet is, on average, about 15% lower than the average numer of black people on the Internet as far as we can see - and it's probably even worse as far as we can't see."
1494212;1467380023;mircea_popescu;truly web measures are a measure of wonder.
1494213;1467380059;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah, i don't always care. i like nano when it's a simple matter of "i know what i'm looking for, but approximately, so it's easier to ctrl-w and look at context than to grep string"
1494214;1467380081;mircea_popescu;and ctrl-c will give you position, which in my head beats line count.
1494215;1467380099;shinohai;cat -n :D
1494216;1467380141;mircea_popescu;yeah i guess.
1494217;1467381477;shinohai;lol Shaun Bridges possibly stole even more Bitcoin than the feebs originally stated.  http://archive.is/DpFL6
1494218;1467381849;mircea_popescu;heh.
1494219;1467382708;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 177065872435 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Jonata Jose da Silva (Seguranca) <jonatajs_@hotmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/320074624769C4288C4D85636555E72FA35CEF0F542A2481AF3BC98F17C1C6E3
1494220;1467382816;shinohai;John McAfee to start a hydroelectric Bitcoin mining operation, becomes target of Chinese mining cartels.
1494221;1467382908;mircea_popescu;was this in normal time ?
1494222;1467383040;shinohai;I wonder what happened to his "blockchain sekoority" venture.
1494223;1467383438;mircea_popescu;he prolly had breakfast and forgot all about it.
1494224;1467383446;mircea_popescu;very common occurence in senior citizen homes.
1494225;1467383567;shinohai;>.<
1494226;1467383626;mircea_popescu;also happens when they cross thresholds.
1494227;1467383657;mircea_popescu;which is why the sub-normals end up gathered around doorways. they approach a threshold, get all panicked, stop. then eventually they cross it, at which point - mindblank.
1494228;1467383679;mircea_popescu;most idiots take 15 minutes to clear two feet if you put any sort of arch, gate or door there.
1494229;1467383741;mircea_popescu;whoa asciilifeform that's A NEW ONE
1494230;1467383870;mircea_popescu;5 * 17 * 11353 * 183487
1494231;1467383985;asciilifeform;hm
1494232;1467384006;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: flipolade.
1494233;1467384014;asciilifeform;like the last dozen or so.
1494234;1467384066;mircea_popescu;aha.
1494235;1467384075;mircea_popescu;new flipolade tho ?>
1494236;1467384081;asciilifeform;new.
1494237;1467384089;asciilifeform;'According to an affidavit unsealed Thursday, the Justice Department learned in April 2015 that Bridges might have kept a private cryptographic key giving him access to a bitcoin wallet with the $700,000 in currency that the Silk Road task force had seized in 2014. The department urged the agency to move the funds elsewhere. “Unfortunately, the U.S. Secret Service did not do so and the funds were thereafter stolen, something the U.
1494238;1467384089;asciilifeform;S. Secret Service only discovered once it was ordered by a court to pay a portion of the seizure back to affected claimants,”...' << gold
1494239;1467384169;mircea_popescu;lol
1494240;1467384219;mircea_popescu;see ? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493450
1494241;1467384219;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 15:46 mircea_popescu: it's why nsa fails so badly. all their budget goes to filling the barn, ~none to guarding the barn.
1494242;1467384383;phf;“A judge in Virginia rules that people should have no expectation of privacy on their home PCs because no connected computer "is immune from invasion."”
1494243;1467384459;mircea_popescu;heh
1494244;1467384469;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, was he hearing a rape case ?
1494245;1467384493;mircea_popescu;"females should have no expectation of control over the usage of their girly bits, because well.... oooobviously".
1494246;1467384524;mircea_popescu;if she's old enough to walk, she's not imune from ravishment, amirite.
1494247;1467384565;asciilifeform;phf: last week's nyooz
1494248;1467384588;phf;$s judge Virginia privacy
1494249;1467384589;a111;2 results for "judge Virginia privacy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=judge%20Virginia%20privacy
1494250;1467384598;phf;huh!
1494251;1467384658;deedbot;[Trilema] Reddit, the derpage of the Internet - http://trilema.com/2016/reddit-the-derpage-of-the-internet/
1494252;1467384934;mircea_popescu;hmm seems it decided to skip one
1494253;1467384955;mircea_popescu;anyway jurov shares added.
1494254;1467385047;shinohai;mircea_popescu, this may be one of my favourite Trilema posts evah.
1494255;1467385071;mircea_popescu;o, really ?!
1494256;1467385143;shinohai;lulzy. Much better than trolling x user with a downvote script.
1494257;1467385154;mircea_popescu;cool.
1494258;1467385176;mircea_popescu;well, spread the word lol.
1494259;1467385408;*;shinohai likes the crafty, rum-swigging mircea_popescu
1494260;1467385481;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup*
1494261;1467386194;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! what's the signature of ?
1494262;1467386205;mircea_popescu;(note also you have no proof it was me! because the signature doesn't check out!)
1494263;1467386316;mircea_popescu;and in other social meda / let's watch snails fuck news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/81ebd498b74133dd0a57cb55e6901bc8/tumblr_o0dlr0D4Ee1rat4opo3_500.gif
1494264;1467386354;asciilifeform;^ this has got to be near-critical mass or sumthing
1494265;1467386369;asciilifeform;slotin holding them hemispheres apart with cock.
1494266;1467386674;mircea_popescu;lol
1494267;1467386692;mircea_popescu;woman is a superbly engineered piece of machinery ; can take incredible amts of abuse
1494268;1467386746;asciilifeform;i meant the cockz
1494269;1467386754;asciilifeform;they are packed rather tightly.
1494270;1467386802;asciilifeform;any tighter and they fuse.
1494271;1467386867;mircea_popescu;fusecock!
1494272;1467386881;asciilifeform;cuckfusion.
1494273;1467386897;phf;that's an oglaf strip right there
1494274;1467386930;mircea_popescu;http://deliciousnights.tumblr.com/post/136528012045/adriana-chechik-adriana-chechik-the-ultimate << the whole strip / sauce for the eager.
1494275;1467387627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's the use of spamming reddit ?
1494276;1467387632;asciilifeform;srs q.
1494277;1467387666;shinohai;I dunno what mp's answer is, but FOR THE LULZ!
1494278;1467387670;mircea_popescu;we can't be spammed. web-anything "social media" or whatever you call the bullshit - can. this advantage must be a) kept sharp and b) driven through.
1494279;1467387702;asciilifeform;ah hm now i recall mircea_popescu had a piece about spamming derps to death
1494280;1467387739;mircea_popescu;diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform  davout  jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
1494281;1467387774;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perfectly fine way to win a war, don your scuba diving suit and drown the place.
1494282;1467387819;mircea_popescu;there's a humongo strategic difference between "no alternative exists" and "we don't like the alternative as it contradicts our ideology". bitcoin is the ur-example of how to drive this through.
1494283;1467387885;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i am quite familiar with this strategy, given as it was the u.s. army's unofficial doctrine for chemical warfare (eat butyrylcholinesterase 'bioscavenger' antidote, then release sarin)
1494284;1467387920;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but these considerations aside, looky : http://startupbros.com/cracking-reddit-how-to-get-thousands-of-visitors-to-your-campaign-with-reddit-marketing/
1494285;1467387949;mircea_popescu;that reddit is not worth a dime alltogether is true ; yet there's an ample supply of these idiots who think otherwise. why not help them get their "traffics" ?
1494286;1467387981;asciilifeform;ok in that sense, yes.
1494287;1467388049;mircea_popescu;well i wasn't about to teach you how to cat, curl and sed was i.
1494288;1467388067;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280 << dunno about other folx but i have a parachute packed for this.
1494289;1467388068;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform  davout  jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
1494290;1467388076;mircea_popescu;works.
1494291;1467388082;asciilifeform;several, in fact.
1494292;1467388177;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the article is in fact linked first thing in the piece, or did you have another in mind ?
1494293;1467388199;asciilifeform;the very same! i missed it.
1494294;1467388208;mircea_popescu;a kk then
1494295;1467389512;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280 << done.
1494296;1467389512;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform  davout  jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
1494297;1467390183;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1494298;1467390183;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1494299;1467390238;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: have you ever considered becoming a glass blower?
1494300;1467390255;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i've worked glass.
1494301;1467390276;asciilifeform;but never anything serious or remarkable.
1494302;1467390300;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel is fond of glass ?
1494303;1467390331;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzyXMEpq4qw << mega-classic.
1494304;1467390338;gabriel_laddel;Not especially, but was brainstorming products to sell in SA (south america) that are a PITA to get into / create here in the USSA
1494305;1467390356;gabriel_laddel;I for one would like to be able to buy pyrex, and not the re-branded crap either.
1494306;1467390370;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: i had an idea re pyrex, a few yrs ago
1494307;1467390389;asciilifeform;simple pocket spectroscope that would let you distinguish shit-faux-pyrex from the real on, in a shop.
1494308;1467390395;asciilifeform;*real one
1494309;1467390432;phf;would make you millions with granola crowd
1494310;1467390435;asciilifeform;(the owners of the trademark are cashing in, in the familiar american style, by selling exploding junk glass instead)
1494311;1467390516;asciilifeform;http://nowiknow.com/the-war-against-pyrex << for n000bz.
1494312;1467390586;gabriel_laddel;http://mazepath.com/uncleal/neon2.htm
1494313;1467390594;gabriel_laddel;^ another fun thing to do in irl ba
1494314;1467390645;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: pyrex is ~4% boron by mass, ought to have absorption line there.
1494315;1467390649;asciilifeform;soda lime glass will not.
1494316;1467390654;asciilifeform;work it out yerself.
1494317;1467390661;gabriel_laddel;ty
1494318;1467390679;asciilifeform;and if you ask mircea_popescu it is difficult to get so much as a stapler in buenos aires
1494319;1467390700;asciilifeform;at least in quantity.
1494320;1467391099;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494307   <<< Clandestine meth producers would also appreciate.
1494321;1467391099;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:26 asciilifeform: simple pocket spectroscope that would let you distinguish shit-faux-pyrex from the real on, in a shop.
1494322;1467391136;asciilifeform;shinohai: why's that
1494323;1467391162;asciilifeform;proper labware - e.g., roundbottoms - are, afaik, still genuine borosilicate
1494324;1467391184;asciilifeform;incidentally before the invention of borosilicate glass, it was customary for chemists to blow their own labware.
1494325;1467391203;asciilifeform;(the high-temp variant needs an oxygen flame and is tricky to work)
1494326;1467391252;shinohai;asciilifeform I suppose to not have equipment send flying shards of glass and nasty chemiclas all into face
1494327;1467391311;asciilifeform;you don't even need glass! for meth.
1494328;1467391355;asciilifeform;the leuckart wallach reaction, or the grignard, or whatever other processes, work ok in stainless steel
1494329;1467391367;asciilifeform;(iirc they use old fire extinguishers for pressure vessel now)
1494330;1467391398;asciilifeform;i must point out, glass is seldom used in chemical industry proper
1494331;1467391405;asciilifeform;terrible material.
1494332;1467391453;shinohai;There was local "law-enforcement" advisory in the area once, asking citizens to report suspicious buyers of old glassware at yard sales.
1494333;1467391472;shinohai;Because totally gonna use that to make crystal instead of brownies.
1494334;1467391553;asciilifeform;in new york, you can (or at least once could) be imprisoned for 'unlicensed' beaker.
1494335;1467391561;asciilifeform;probably elsewhere.
1494336;1467391565;shinohai;O.o
1494337;1467391577;gabriel_laddel;$s what color are your atoms
1494338;1467391577;a111;1 results for "what color are your atoms", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=what%20color%20are%20your%20atoms
1494339;1467391667;gabriel_laddel;$seen brendafdez
1494340;1467391675;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-09-29#850232 << see also.
1494341;1467391675;a111;Logged on 2014-09-29 20:07 asciilifeform: owns beaker? terrorist. all that remains is for inquisitor to establish what naughty substance you were making (or intended to make - separate article in penal code)
1494342;1467391709;asciilifeform;in much of usa, it is easier to buy kalash than roundbottom flask.
1494343;1467391779;asciilifeform;(usg doesn't really, despite the pretense, much care re pea shooter)
1494344;1467391794;asciilifeform;go buy nitric acid.
1494345;1467391801;asciilifeform;and watch the paperworks.
1494346;1467392016;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1494347;1467392016;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1494348;1467394574;trinque;ey ben_vulpes, can I get you to crank that knob in nginx sometime today?
1494349;1467396263;ben_vulpes;$wot
1494350;1467396271;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e66f8f4f-0602-41f0-810e-6cae9d40af05/
1494351;1467396289;ben_vulpes;trinque: ^^
1494352;1467396303;trinque;woo!
1494353;1467396305;trinque;ty
1494354;1467398098;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494134 << there's always minigod, neh?
1494355;1467398098;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 03:22 mircea_popescu: church of x is a little dubious neh ?
1494356;1467398129;asciilifeform;l0L!!
1494357;1467398130;asciilifeform;win.
1494358;1467398350;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, i finally found some properly greedy folk in bmore willing to show me some boxez
1494359;1467398709;phf;u $wot m8
1494360;1467398920;hanbot;asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)?
1494361;1467399006;phf;probably just found somebody who has their shit sufficiently together to follow up on a sales lead without much prodding
1494362;1467399030;hanbot;inconceivable!
1494363;1467399079;asciilifeform;hanbot: greed trumps all.
1494364;1467399087;asciilifeform;nobody cares if yer a martian or whatever.
1494365;1467399636;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280 <<< done!
1494366;1467399636;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform  davout  jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
1494367;1467399653;davout;see #bitcoin-central
1494368;1467399905;phf;davout: too late, all the action is happening in #trilema-trinque
1494369;1467399938;davout;let's see
1494370;1467400818;mircea_popescu;lol
1494371;1467401120;jurov;trinque: what a stratagem!
1494372;1467401154;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487036 <<|>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493199
1494373;1467401154;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 13:04 shinohai: In other news, r/btc is celebrating this morning imagining that angry miners will soon adopt Classic and usher in the fork.
1494374;1467401154;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 16:02 ascii_deadfiber: i expect a shift of resources back to the 'corrode bitcoin' stratagem, vs the 'pump shitcoin'
1494375;1467401166;mircea_popescu;for teh records.
1494376;1467401184;shinohai;>.>
1494377;1467401199;mircea_popescu;jurov * Cannot join #trilema-jurov (Channel is invite only). << you're not too shabby yourself :D
1494378;1467401339;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494304 <<< ahahahaha. mno.
1494379;1467401339;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:25 gabriel_laddel: Not especially, but was brainstorming products to sell in SA (south america) that are a PITA to get into / create here in the USSA
1494380;1467401362;mircea_popescu;there's nothing the us can make that the thirld world needs and couldn't make. kinda why we're here in the first place, libertards ruined "the civilised world".
1494381;1467401396;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494309 << no because couldn't be transported and also minimum wage.
1494382;1467401397;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:27 phf: would make you millions with granola crowd
1494383;1467401546;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494313 << wait, i'm confused. you... live in buenos aires ?
1494384;1467401546;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:29 gabriel_laddel: ^ another fun thing to do in irl ba
1494385;1467401633;mircea_popescu;o holy shit the uncleal link. casimir effect ?! bejesus.
1494386;1467401645;mircea_popescu;anyone actually tried that ?
1494387;1467401875;mircea_popescu;"When a technology matures into a cash cow and then grows old, research into subtle undiscovered potentials abates in the name of cost-cutting. The neon sign has been common for a half-century and more. It is obvious that nothing remains to be discovered. There is no further technology to evolve, there are no new art forms to explore, there is no possible cross-fertilization with other disciplines" <<< al has an excellet poin
1494388;1467401876;mircea_popescu;t. it is not only, and not principally, and arguably barely at all the sin of inept us management that it drives the productive forces of its slave empire into dead ends.
1494389;1467401888;mircea_popescu;the true sin is that it pretends to seal off all sorts of good parts.
1494390;1467402462;mircea_popescu;for every "go to college" piece of bad math and general ineptitude (see http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ << btw, took me 5 minutes to fish this out, because apparently google filters out any searches related to airports, planes, etc from site:trilema.com type searches thank you tsa, you've clearly helped LOTS!)
1494391;1467402497;mircea_popescu;that cost the us 100 bucks, there's ten "this is a solved problem" idiocies that cost 100 mn each.
1494392;1467402501;mircea_popescu;$up plp
1494393;1467402501;deedbot;plp voiced for 30 minutes.
1494394;1467402504;mircea_popescu;$up spoonzy_
1494395;1467402504;deedbot;spoonzy_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1494396;1467402916;mircea_popescu;and in other incredibly postmodern lulz : https://archive.is/zhCZf << postmodern art must be translated, so : fbi.gov has a banner roller just like any wanna-be "news site^Hmedia property" of the "mainsteam" variety. on this roller, because they apparently ran out of photographs or photography, in the age of the most abundant photographism, they have a picture of a lcd screen. that lcd screen depicts material originated from
1494397;1467402916;mircea_popescu;them, and not pleading in favour of their intelligence, organisational importance or general sanity : they captured some black chick that shat her unwanted baby in a toilet and flushed. THIS is a "top 10 fugitive".
1494398;1467402926;mircea_popescu;how to take usg seriously ? explain this to me.
1494399;1467403199;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494318 << speaking of which, i went into a shoe repair shop here the other day for laces (which are not sold in shoe stores, mind you). they had one. not one pair, one shoelace.
1494400;1467403199;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:31 asciilifeform: and if you ask mircea_popescu it is difficult to get so much as a stapler in buenos aires
1494401;1467403209;mircea_popescu;ahahah what
1494402;1467403215;hanbot;the guy actually took out a second lace from a pair of shoes he was trying to sell and gave me that one to go with.
1494403;1467403255;mircea_popescu;if i were a younger, innocent verision of myself, like the quoted alf has the unspeakable advantage of being, i'd disbelieve this story.
1494404;1467403257;mircea_popescu;as it is...
1494405;1467403260;trinque;lol
1494406;1467403567;trinque;I guess now if you went in it'd read "from his pair of shoes he was trying to sell"
1494407;1467403584;mircea_popescu;ahahaha that's more like guatemala.
1494408;1467403645;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494310 << no because progress. tempered lime crapola is "just as good". PARETO SUPERIOR ALTERNATIVE!!11
1494409;1467403645;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:27 asciilifeform: (the owners of the trademark are cashing in, in the familiar american style, by selling exploding junk glass instead)
1494410;1467403654;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how the world works.
1494411;1467403707;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494324 << i had carbide-oxygen blowtorch, blew own glass for my private chemistry lab as a 12yo!
1494412;1467403707;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:39 asciilifeform: incidentally before the invention of borosilicate glass, it was customary for chemists to blow their own labware.
1494413;1467403729;mircea_popescu;borosilicate glass tubage of any diameter you wanted was ~40 cents per kg.
1494414;1467404537;ben_vulpes;o.O
1494415;1467404558;ben_vulpes;shitty products are a viable strategy when nobody remembers quality.
1494416;1467404589;ben_vulpes;quality is also expensive, and if the engineers not managed, can readily turn into an unbounded downside cost.
1494417;1467404742;jurov;i dunno wtf is this all about. here borosilicate glassware like this is cheaply and widely available, i use it every day, it's suitable even for open flame http://www.panvice.sk/kanvica-svatava-1-5-litra-simax.html
1494418;1467404780;jurov;even "defined by ISO 3585 stadard"
1494419;1467404850;jurov;i did break some, but always mechanically, never by heat/cold cycle
1494420;1467405288;shinohai;o/ jurov my coin.br account isn't reflecting monthly fees? Or do you add those manually?
1494421;1467405371;jurov;i did not do them yet
1494422;1467405388;shinohai;ah kk
1494423;1467405640;mircea_popescu;magic smoke!
1494424;1467405663;jurov;and apparently it's available in the US: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=SIMAX+glassware
1494425;1467405684;jurov;it's perhaps just brand blindness that borosilicate glass ==== pyrex
1494426;1467405716;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494332 << such enforcement.
1494427;1467405716;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 16:44 shinohai: There was local "law-enforcement" advisory in the area once, asking citizens to report suspicious buyers of old glassware at yard sales.
1494428;1467405809;mircea_popescu;jurov iirc it has an eukramic point, much like say carbon in steel. not  just "some proportion", but a curve with some inflexion points.
1494429;1467405840;jurov;wut?
1494430;1467405870;mircea_popescu;jurov it's not just that it's "glass with borax in it", much like steel isn't just "iron with carbon in it"
1494431;1467405909;mircea_popescu;or if you mean the other thing, eu, good, krama, alloy. same linguistic principle as eutectic, (teksis = melting).
1494432;1467405920;jurov;SIMAX glass claims to comply to ISO 3585 standard for borosilicate glass,
1494433;1467405936;jurov;it's widely used here and I never heard it failed because of cold/heat
1494434;1467405946;mircea_popescu;a ok then.
1494435;1467405947;jurov;only mechanically broken
1494436;1467405990;jurov;so I think it's just some UStards latched on "pyrex" and are rightly milked by brand owner
1494437;1467406013;asciilifeform;at one point trademark at least strongly implied 'same thing your grandfather had'
1494438;1467406015;asciilifeform;today - not.
1494439;1467406018;asciilifeform;so: trust but verify.
1494440;1467406020;asciilifeform;spectroscope.
1494441;1467406040;asciilifeform;would put some fear of god back into the fuckers, if folks could test in 3sec.
1494442;1467406054;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494354 << lol actually "The MiniChurch" is not all bad.
1494443;1467406054;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 18:34 hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494134 << there's always minigod, neh?
1494444;1467406071;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no it wouldn't.
1494445;1467406086;mircea_popescu;folks can test in 3 seconds "social media" site of "their choice" is neither , nor secure.
1494446;1467406093;mircea_popescu;fear of god undetected.
1494447;1467406103;asciilifeform;that's a designated cow stall
1494448;1467406106;asciilifeform;not same thing.
1494449;1467406110;asciilifeform;everybody uses glass.
1494450;1467406121;mircea_popescu;speaking of folks, here's a handy visual to explain the concept  http://66.media.tumblr.com/e04a4eb96aecadff52219a05575fd1a8/tumblr_ng9qc75iM91shqa8eo1_400.gif
1494451;1467406126;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahahah-HAHA!
1494452;1467406144;mircea_popescu;more women use king.com apps than any sort of glass vessel! 10:1!
1494453;1467406146;asciilifeform;dafuq is that, arse-mouth-system ?
1494454;1467406165;jurov;i dun see how spectroscope helps with "it-must-be-called-pyrex"
1494455;1467406192;asciilifeform;jurov: it helps with 'i walked in here to buy borosilicate kettle'
1494456;1467406209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is a chick contorting herself in an insane position so her own urine dribble falls in her own mouth while some standing guy is also pissing in her mouth.
1494457;1467406215;asciilifeform;which is now ~unavailable in usa, except in antique stores
1494458;1467406218;mircea_popescu;this would be an accurate depiction of "folks".
1494459;1467406256;jurov;well, ask for 'borosilicate kettle acc. to ISO standard'. and get some degree burns and sue them and get rich
1494460;1467406264;jurov;:)
1494461;1467406269;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i offer the knife whereby we cut them off, like defective siamese twin, from actual people.
1494462;1467406286;mircea_popescu;note how many of your knives run against glass.
1494463;1467406296;asciilifeform;there is always a correct knife.
1494464;1467406302;asciilifeform;it is a matter of finding it.
1494465;1467406302;mircea_popescu;thing about glass is - perfect material in low energy envelope.
1494466;1467406310;mircea_popescu;it's like forcefield made of god's own pee.
1494467;1467406385;mircea_popescu;so i posit to you that your problem is not even slightly a matter of "wrong knife", along the lines of, "if only i had hyfdrofluoric acid - could melt glass", but more of low energy. you wish to amass moar power not more knowledge, to dent teh pot.
1494468;1467406392;mircea_popescu;heresy, i know. but it's a square.
1494469;1467406421;asciilifeform;if you consider how one actually goes about cutting glass, it is an interesting analogy.
1494470;1467406433;mircea_popescu;yeah, not half bad.
1494471;1467406484;asciilifeform;at any rate, this is not simply a usaschwitz problem, if ANY of you buy chinese glass-anything, there ain't no boron in there.
1494472;1467406496;mircea_popescu;it's always a little disappointing when i hit the last lines of the logs ;/
1494473;1467406501;asciilifeform;dealing with bugmen begins with trust-but-verify.
1494474;1467406520;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494360 << my bet would be that no, because easier :D
1494475;1467406520;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 18:48 hanbot: asciilifeform didja learn their variety speak? or figure it's a fluke (i thought theory was wrong demo)?
1494476;1467409663;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/since-what-you-do-all-day-is-jack-off-anyway/#comment-93555 << in other antique trilema lulz, check out what people didn't make a bitcoin for.
1494477;1467411894;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> borosilicate glass tubage of any diameter you wanted was ~40 cents per kg. << What about 8 meter borosilicate for Venusian culverts?
1494478;1467412001;mircea_popescu;lol
1494479;1467412008;mircea_popescu;nah, from 1/2mm to about 8cm iirc.
1494480;1467412095;BingoBoingo;So can't even make proper house to sewer pipe
1494481;1467412112;asciilifeform;from glass?!
1494482;1467412126;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: On Venus!
1494483;1467412971;mircea_popescu;what do you eat that your shits are 8 m across ?!
1494484;1467413241;asciilifeform;trains?
1494485;1467413660;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Zhx
1494486;1467413660;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1494487;1467413789;jurov;Qntra shares distributed.
1494488;1467414602;shinohai;ty jurov
1494489;1467414845;jurov;there seems to be some snag with coinbr or mpex, as every month recently, looking into it
1494490;1467414955;shinohai;It's mpex I believe, 404 here.
1494491;1467414994;jurov;http://mpex.site/ works
1494492;1467415121;jurov;deedbot: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160702/attachment.txt?sha1=bb9dab320ed2b6c070546085d4e673871180a6e9
1494493;1467416953;BingoBoingo;Rule #97 Every MPEx proxy is always inaccessible from some point at some time
1494494;1467417468;trinque;jurov: teh command is $deed
1494495;1467417481;trinque;$deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160702/attachment.txt?sha1=bb9dab320ed2b6c070546085d4e673871180a6e9
1494496;1467417519;deedbot;accepted: 1
1494497;1467418038;jurov;trinque: thx
1494498;1467418068;trinque;yw
1494499;1467418110;jurov;shinohai: you can retry now, looks like the error was on my side
1494500;1467418146;shinohai;thx jurov.
1494501;1467418371;shinohai;It shows order went through manual but no receipt jurov
1494502;1467418620;mircea_popescu;sooo... cechens blew up ataturk airport huh
1494503;1467418815;BingoBoingo;If we try to cover all of these qntra is going to have to add a "weather" category for them
1494504;1467418829;BingoBoingo;But will consider doing so after cult meeting
1494505;1467418849;mircea_popescu;lol yeah, didn't mean for qntra. just mentioned it because it seems to me the "isis" figthers were ru special forces.
1494506;1467418886;BingoBoingo;I dunno I'm thinking about a "weather" category nao
1494507;1467420888;mircea_popescu;$up fiddlerwoaroof
1494508;1467420888;deedbot;fiddlerwoaroof voiced for 30 minutes.
1494509;1467422565;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494505 << is logic here 'the genuine article would Never!11' or what
1494510;1467422565;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 00:20 mircea_popescu: lol yeah, didn't mean for qntra. just mentioned it because it seems to me the "isis" figthers were ru special forces.
1494511;1467424602;mod6;The Most Serene Tabernacle || Tabernacle of La Serenissima
1494512;1467424614;mod6;my 0.00000002
1494513;1467424653;mod6;s/Tabernacle/Temple ? Anyway, just throwin it out there.
1494514;1467424663;shinohai;^
1494515;1467424678;shinohai;also, here's how to enjoy cheap rum mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/GeHPuNb.jpg
1494516;1467424757;mod6;cute freckles
1494517;1467428397;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, just the guy's private history. bulgaria wouldn't extradite him a few years ago ; before that was wounded in daghestan but survived etc.
1494518;1467428440;mircea_popescu;shinohai meh, crappy rum crappy girl an wtf is with those ties.
1494519;1467428473;mircea_popescu;inb4 shinohai is all "how dare you dis my wife OMG VENDETTA"
1494520;1467428884;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html#6 << what all would be encompassed by 'networking'?
1494521;1467429003;mircea_popescu;you mean 7 ?
1494522;1467429033;ben_vulpes;fml
1494523;1467429035;ben_vulpes;yes
1494524;1467429038;mircea_popescu;it must be capable to open a socket i think.
1494525;1467429197;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: speaking of uci, ever consider generalizing luby's algo to ~calculation~ ?
1494526;1467429204;mircea_popescu;possibly.
1494527;1467429206;ben_vulpes;and per 'storage', be able to read from that socket and write bytes to disk, for example
1494528;1467429215;mircea_popescu;it's really a draft of a spec as it is.
1494529;1467429224;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes read from and write to yes
1494530;1467429226;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that would close the triangle
1494531;1467429242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it already takes carr of comms and storage...
1494532;1467429247;asciilifeform;*care
1494533;1467429248;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform either that or homomorphic encryption
1494534;1467429278;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't enough
1494535;1467429299;asciilifeform;chaos is bigger adversary here than any others
1494536;1467429328;asciilifeform;you gotta somehow abstract over the 1024 chickens pulling in random directions and dying periodically.
1494537;1467429354;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1494538;1467429358;mircea_popescu;this is true.
1494539;1467429508;ben_vulpes;how would someone in the wot interact with the uci; operation by operation over irc? shoop a script in uciasm for execution and billing upon completion?
1494540;1467429517;mircea_popescu;anyway, feel free to propose refinements, ima edit it.
1494541;1467429537;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i would expect there'd have to be a management language for this.
1494542;1467429540;ben_vulpes;i don't have a good enough model to propse anything yet, hence the questions
1494543;1467429549;mircea_popescu;ie, uci admin thing advertises what it does, gets an order.
1494544;1467429559;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: as i understand: by signing and broadcasting a message.
1494545;1467429572;ben_vulpes;"open socket to 127.0.0.1"
1494546;1467429579;mircea_popescu;it wouldn't necessarily be over irc, though irc IS rather resilient and we get the benefit of bootstrapping a major irc network if we bake it in
1494547;1467429602;ben_vulpes;"write 0xd3adb33f"
1494548;1467429606;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ideally it'd be more like "run this bash script"
1494549;1467429608;asciilifeform;whether nodes obey would depend on who signed.
1494550;1467429624;mircea_popescu;then uci responds with "script ran, results os and so, paqy here"
1494551;1467429692;mircea_popescu;not entirely sure bash it is the right way here ; but it does cheaply (in cognitive terms) expose the system for usage. which is why ssh runs into a bash shell.
1494552;1467429704;asciilifeform;there are 2 basic angles to approach uci : the standard botnet model, which appears to be what mircea_popescu is thinking of, where nodes are individual boxes running specific program that does fairly straightforward thing,
1494553;1467429710;asciilifeform;and the other one.
1494554;1467429737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm thinking a "independent nodes" sort of botnet, as opposed to the zombie windowze thing usually run
1494555;1467429785;asciilifeform;where a node receives encrypted 'rubbish' and does ?????, and sends various rubbish back, and adversary would have to capture 67% of nodes to have any clue re what.
1494556;1467429812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the tor model is, other than its many implementation warts, fundamentally broken i think.
1494557;1467429833;asciilifeform;not thinking of it here
1494558;1467429855;mircea_popescu;anyway. uci is not gossipd. there is a good reason to implement gossipd OVER uci, but on the uci layer the thing shouldn't be concerned with this kind of security i don't thinl
1494559;1467429860;asciilifeform;this is in the homomorphic vein
1494560;1467429871;mircea_popescu;yeah but we don't have that cheat as of yet
1494561;1467429960;ben_vulpes;metered 'eval'
1494562;1467429976;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: very easy to botch, note
1494563;1467429988;asciilifeform;(consider etherfartgas)
1494564;1467430039;mircea_popescu;even if you just run top and count ram/cpu it's close enough
1494565;1467430077;asciilifeform;nontrivial on toy os
1494566;1467430083;ben_vulpes;huh
1494567;1467430171;mircea_popescu;bear in mind, we're not selling investors on this. cheap, broken, angry sample to iterate on is jus' fine.
1494568;1467430214;asciilifeform;btw there was a trojan bearing 'tinyscheme'
1494569;1467430216;ben_vulpes;noxious as it is, linux containerization and 'docker' in particular might be a good foundation for a 'cheap, angry' prototype
1494570;1467430220;asciilifeform;worked kinda like this...
1494571;1467430233;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ick, massive
1494572;1467430236;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes too many lines of code
1494573;1467430255;asciilifeform;you need maybe 100kB max.
1494574;1467430255;ben_vulpes;but the fun of hurting them with their own tools
1494575;1467430267;mircea_popescu;they know more holes in "their own tools" than you do.
1494576;1467430273;asciilifeform;^
1494577;1467430277;mircea_popescu;silk road hurt the shit out of itself with "their own tools"
1494578;1467430280;ben_vulpes;note, not seriously advocating use of docker.
1494579;1467430285;mircea_popescu;i think it's time to bury that corpse, it smells.
1494580;1467430295;mircea_popescu;no i know, it's not on you ; just, the matter has to be discuss't.
1494581;1467430321;asciilifeform;anyway something simple, like a mips emulator, fits in 200ln of c, and can execute N cycles permitting B bytes of storage, etc.
1494582;1467430333;mircea_popescu;more along these lines i'm thinking.
1494583;1467430367;ben_vulpes;notquite 'bash'
1494584;1467430367;mircea_popescu;ie, some sort of arm/embeddable os approach
1494585;1467430372;mircea_popescu;notquite, no.
1494586;1467430383;asciilifeform;beauty is,
1494587;1467430389;asciilifeform;you can buildroot for it...
1494588;1467430404;mircea_popescu;aha
1494589;1467430406;asciilifeform;bam, os, bash, whatever.
1494590;1467430413;ben_vulpes;hang on wut
1494591;1467430416;ben_vulpes;like i'm five?
1494592;1467430438;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: victim ends up running something like a nintendo emu
1494593;1467430450;asciilifeform;but that has nic, disk, etc
1494594;1467430479;ben_vulpes;what does mean "bash, whatever"
1494595;1467430498;asciilifeform;if you emulate a cpu that gcc knows how to target,
1494596;1467430499;ben_vulpes;oh a buildroot that compiles a 'linux' to the nintendo emu arch?
1494597;1467430509;asciilifeform;you can build, e.g., linux, for it.
1494598;1467430514;asciilifeform;aha.
1494599;1467430562;asciilifeform;in 'idle' state, when the thing has no payload, it listens for a lubyfied turd signed with $key.
1494600;1467430569;asciilifeform;for years, if it has to.
1494601;1467430591;asciilifeform;when it pieces one together, and it passes sig - it runs.
1494602;1467430594;ben_vulpes;this'd be your proposed extension
1494603;1467430598;asciilifeform;for C cycles.
1494604;1467430602;asciilifeform;then stops.
1494605;1467430609;asciilifeform;and listens again, etc.
1494606;1467430619;ben_vulpes;where C is governed by?
1494607;1467430634;mircea_popescu;arbitrary set by box owner
1494608;1467430640;mircea_popescu;gordian solution to turing problem.
1494609;1467430667;asciilifeform;Min(box-c, turd-c)
1494610;1467430675;ben_vulpes;if the lubified turd came from the supervisor process C could come along with the 'script'
1494611;1467430694;mircea_popescu;script should prolly include a "needs C"
1494612;1467430698;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it dun matter where it comes from, so long as valid sig
1494613;1467430713;asciilifeform;maybe it comes from shortwave picked up in soundcard hiss.
1494614;1467430717;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if we do it like that will have to have expiration.
1494615;1467430720;asciilifeform;maybe on bbc.
1494616;1467430739;mircea_popescu;not the end of the world, 1700 business orders carried expiration.
1494617;1467430794;asciilifeform;at any rate, nothing precludes listening for new turd WHILE running current one.
1494618;1467430819;ben_vulpes;so then worker process would have to get involved in the billing loop?
1494619;1467430822;phf;so proposed solution is a subset of qemu with metering, etc?
1494620;1467430848;mircea_popescu;seems to be coallescing that way
1494621;1467430850;asciilifeform;phf: without the qemu crapola
1494622;1467430860;asciilifeform;emulate mips, or even oisc
1494623;1467430867;phf;well "qemu", a virtual machine of some sort
1494624;1467430876;asciilifeform;in that sense, yes
1494625;1467430918;ben_vulpes;i imagined that each installed worker process would listen for orders from only one key, which'd handle billing.
1494626;1467430927;ben_vulpes;or, read from tickets.
1494627;1467430934;mircea_popescu;at the other end of the spectrum, it can just be open bash and well, don't take code from people you don't trust.
1494628;1467430938;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the key emplaced on install.
1494629;1467430942;phf;notch's DCPU-16
1494630;1467430945;asciilifeform;permanent.
1494631;1467430964;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: aok. then not 'any key in wot' and bill afterwards
1494632;1467430967;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: open boxes are rubbish.
1494633;1467430973;asciilifeform;because syphilitic.
1494634;1467430979;mircea_popescu;in general yes. but wot-open is not open.
1494635;1467430996;asciilifeform;if you want wot-open, yer stuck with above algo.
1494636;1467431005;asciilifeform;and not ever 'just bash'
1494637;1467431018;mircea_popescu;anyway, this is a political choice mostly. if we do a "gentleman's agreement" and no code sorta thing, we end up strongly centralizing, army of lovers.
1494638;1467431036;mircea_popescu;if we do a "trust but verify" no agreement all code, we end up strongly decentralizing, but exposed to you know, thedao.
1494639;1467431066;asciilifeform;my understanding was that we are specifically protocolizing what was once customarily promise.
1494640;1467431083;ben_vulpes;what would 'no code' even mean?
1494641;1467431084;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform -V
1494642;1467431106;asciilifeform;aha, as in v.
1494643;1467431108;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes that there's no specific check or test other than top | grep "ram" sorta thing.
1494644;1467431117;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, -V means, be verbose. put your idea in explicit form.
1494645;1467431158;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we aren't merely 'let's pool chumpnets between phriendz' here.
1494646;1467431170;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1494647;1467431183;asciilifeform;but rather mechanizing the process of harnessing chickens.
1494648;1467431215;mircea_popescu;i'm not saying that we are, but WHY NOT must be stated, and in such a way 107 iq guy in 2049 reading this understands exactly wtf.
1494649;1467431226;mircea_popescu;hence, -V.
1494650;1467431274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for one thing, traditional bot-herding is a misery in 1,001 ways: intensely platform-specific, suffers various central points of failure, etc
1494651;1467431295;mircea_popescu;yeah, the platform specificity is a bitch.
1494652;1467431317;asciilifeform;which is why you want TINY emulated thing.
1494653;1467431318;mircea_popescu;the whole point of uci is for there to be no more platform in that sense. course, this seems an unlikely goal.
1494654;1467431330;asciilifeform;quite easy to do actually.
1494655;1467431356;asciilifeform;the p2p control is the one tricky bit
1494656;1467431370;phf;so a virtual machine with constraints, "jump to here, run at most 100 ticks, claim at most 100 heap" that's generated for the target with target platform and control key baked in during generation
1494657;1467431372;asciilifeform;most chumps live behind nat.
1494658;1467431388;asciilifeform;we sorta went over this in the pogo threads.
1494659;1467431402;asciilifeform;phf: correct.
1494660;1467431416;mircea_popescu;HOWEVER, it will create, if successful, a ready way to resolve http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492111 and such problems.
1494661;1467431416;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 15:09 asciilifeform: 'when DEC Alpha existed, did you motherfuckers buy?? no?? have fun'
1494662;1467431418;phf;then write your lisps or c compilers that would target the arch
1494663;1467431426;asciilifeform;aha.
1494664;1467431431;mircea_popescu;"is your dec alpha/toaster/bitcoin miner pluggable into uci ? cool, then it makes money. no ? it's broken fix it"
1494665;1467431446;mircea_popescu;main reason hardware is so centralizing today is exactly lack of this sort of marketplace,
1494666;1467431452;mircea_popescu;so it becomes "winner takes all" sorta tourney.
1494667;1467431490;mircea_popescu;fundamentally uci is a lateral pill for the hardware problem, oddly enough.
1494668;1467431504;phf;asciilifeform: that solution doesn't preclude fancy metering techniques, wot members own control hubs, talk to each other gossip style, and route tasks accordingly
1494669;1467431560;asciilifeform;you want a really small beast, that you can easily polymorph, stuff into roms, various appropriate places..
1494670;1467431568;phf;hmm
1494671;1467431570;mircea_popescu;i certainly see the argument re SMALL.
1494672;1467431582;asciilifeform;the one tricky bit is the crypto
1494673;1467431599;mircea_popescu;the one tricky bit is that other one tricky bit.
1494674;1467431602;asciilifeform;what key is baked into individual instance?
1494675;1467431649;phf;per vm aes pair
1494676;1467431667;asciilifeform;wtf is aes pair?!
1494677;1467431730;phf;a symmetric-key algorithm is my point, say aes, since i don't know any better
1494678;1467431758;phf;but own key for each vm to vm pairing
1494679;1467431814;asciilifeform;symmetric crypto other than otp dun exist.
1494680;1467431833;asciilifeform;we demonstrated this in... march?
1494681;1467431888;asciilifeform;and anyway you can't use symmetric key that could be pulled from the binary by adversary to any useful end.
1494682;1467431983;phf;you will have that problem with any form of crypto. if your binary is compromised it's compromised (ignoring fancy techniques of avoiding compromise)
1494683;1467432003;asciilifeform;revealed pubkey is not a compromise.
1494684;1467432014;thestringpuller;isn't the point of V to prevent compromised binaries?
1494685;1467432019;asciilifeform;revealed symmetric key - game over
1494686;1467432021;phf;so is a symmetric key if you have unique symmetric key for each pairing
1494687;1467432036;phf;"but own key for each vm to vm pairing"
1494688;1467432038;asciilifeform;phf: and how do you accomplish this
1494689;1467432062;asciilifeform;for one thing, 'pairing' is undefined
1494690;1467432099;asciilifeform;nodes can have no meaningful identity other than pubkeys.
1494691;1467432119;asciilifeform;just like wot folks.
1494692;1467432147;phf;asciilifeform: same way as you do with wot folks. you state who you are, then prove it with a sig
1494693;1467432190;asciilifeform;thing is, anon randos don't and can't have 'whos'
1494694;1467432230;phf;well, that's going back to your "not a single byte" unless crypto
1494695;1467432278;phf;but that's unimplementable constraint. anon rando can send you a well crafted pubkey that is bogus, and you will only know it's bogus after you finished your read
1494696;1467432330;asciilifeform;the important thing is that usg's 1,000,000,001 emulated uci sybils should have no bearing on the workings of genuine nodez.
1494697;1467432350;asciilifeform;and - ideally - succumb to doing some useful work on their own as well.
1494698;1467432495;mircea_popescu;phf nothing wrong with whitelist access.
1494699;1467432506;mircea_popescu;you want contact to my uci interface, we agree in advance, and i whitelist your key.
1494700;1467432508;phf;in order to do that you need crypto where each individual byte in a stream carries enough information to make a decision there and then. so you send a byte packet and have a 1/256 change of going to next byte
1494701;1467432535;asciilifeform;but yes, the only topologies i know of for this are the traditional star, with 'signed by fuhrer - blob runs, no - not' or ... reimplementing bitcoin
1494702;1467432555;phf;otherwise you have to read the whole thing before you can make a decision whether or not whole thing is bogus
1494703;1467432569;asciilifeform;phf: reading is cheap.
1494704;1467432569;mircea_popescu;reimplementing bitcoin is not the end of the world anyway. the extant version is crap.
1494705;1467432598;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reimplementing eth would be sad tho.
1494706;1467432604;mircea_popescu;definitely.
1494707;1467432621;asciilifeform;and certainly not 100kB of sad..
1494708;1467432721;mircea_popescu;of course, if you read the java-esque nightmare that "solidity" is, reimplementing eth as a small emu thing would benefit it immensely.
1494709;1467432731;mircea_popescu;hard to do when there's nobody with a clue in "the team", obv.
1494710;1467432756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the sewer rats cannot abide small, simple things
1494711;1467432766;mircea_popescu;or things that work.
1494712;1467432768;asciilifeform;where do you hide a nest in that?!
1494713;1467432773;phf;each slave vm gets a random int id and a symmetric key, master store int<->symmetric key in a binary tree. packet comes in <int><sig>, you get the symmetric key for int and use it to verify sig
1494714;1467432797;mircea_popescu;phf what's this symmetric key fixation ?
1494715;1467432804;asciilifeform;^
1494716;1467432821;phf;mircea_popescu: it's actually pretty immaterial, public key crypto doesn't buy you anything in this case
1494717;1467432827;mircea_popescu;how do you reason
1494718;1467432831;mircea_popescu;-V motherfuckers!
1494719;1467432846;asciilifeform;phf: it buys you fuhrer-to-swarm broadcast
1494720;1467432863;asciilifeform;instead of 100000000 fuhrer-to-slave dispatches
1494721;1467432869;asciilifeform;srsly
1494722;1467432885;asciilifeform;so far this is kindergarten botronics
1494723;1467432892;mircea_popescu;fine example in the logs today ; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494280
1494724;1467432892;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 15:42 mircea_popescu: diana_coman hanbot trinque phf bingoboingo mod6 danielpbarron asciilifeform  davout  jurov http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d38a9d86-a5a6-4597-86b6-6436d08597d1/?raw=true btw.
1494725;1467432903;phf;asciilifeform: you're more attached to dismissing symmetric, then i am to preserving it
1494726;1467432903;mircea_popescu;this only exists because asym crypto.
1494727;1467432915;phf;but your original objections were not about broadcast!
1494728;1467432936;asciilifeform;phf: so they weren't.
1494729;1467432947;phf;so i'm just trying to understand better the original objections
1494730;1467432981;ben_vulpes;stantronics: never fight on one front when you can establish five
1494731;1467432988;asciilifeform;'why not eat broken glass?' '1) dun taste so good 2) ......'
1494732;1467433015;phf;why not eat broken glass 2) .... 1) dun taste so good
1494733;1467433019;phf;is the actual order of events
1494734;1467433050;phf;your thinking about 2) seems to be sloppy, but 1) is a ~point~, so no further discussion is required
1494735;1467433053;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he's russian whadda ya want.
1494736;1467433067;mircea_popescu;phf it also happens to be my point :D
1494737;1467433073;ben_vulpes;trilema is as swampy as any russian battlefield
1494738;1467433075;ben_vulpes;and then as cold
1494739;1467433082;ben_vulpes;and then swampy again
1494740;1467433084;mircea_popescu;darn!
1494741;1467433101;asciilifeform;cold xor swamp
1494742;1467433109;ben_vulpes;it's a compliment! natural defenses abound.
1494743;1467433111;mircea_popescu;= oil
1494744;1467433167;ben_vulpes;so the security model is still completely up in the air then.
1494745;1467433179;mircea_popescu;pretty much
1494746;1467433224;phf;well, the point of the conversation seems to be for asciilifeform to make sure everyone knows that they are idiots :>
1494747;1467433236;asciilifeform;l0l
1494748;1467433246;mircea_popescu;lmao
1494749;1467433249;ben_vulpes;> kindergarten botronics
1494750;1467433276;asciilifeform;so far i also feel foolish because unable to come up with any serious improvement over traditional 20th c chumpnet.
1494751;1467433306;asciilifeform;where the magic privkey is central throne of failure.
1494752;1467433311;mircea_popescu;(which is how this works, when my disintersted luddite view humiliates him he lashes out)
1494753;1467433372;ben_vulpes;and is the harnessing chumpnet thing still design vision and not people with real hardware to lease?
1494754;1467433378;asciilifeform;thus far i can't offer anything but same stone knife and bear skin mircea_popescu offers.
1494755;1467433386;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how do you mean ?
1494756;1467433459;ben_vulpes;proggy with advanced c/c discovery routines etc vs. much simpler thing one compiles and installs on boxes under ones physical control
1494757;1467433484;mircea_popescu;i dunno how to extract a sentence out of your last two lines.
1494758;1467433490;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: you already have that latter one
1494759;1467433496;asciilifeform;ssh
1494760;1467433519;ben_vulpes;the 'lovers army'
1494761;1467433526;asciilifeform;snore.
1494762;1467433531;ben_vulpes;army of lovers, w/e
1494763;1467433579;mircea_popescu;that's 4 now.
1494764;1467433610;mircea_popescu;everyone hates a verb ;/
1494765;1467433708;asciilifeform;it is worth thinking about wtf the point of uci was
1494766;1467433760;mircea_popescu;there's no point in the sense of "this is what we're trying to accomplish". there's a few drivers ; and logically some likely outcomes. should i enumerate ?
1494767;1467433824;asciilifeform;'The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted  significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.'
1494768;1467433835;asciilifeform;was there moar?
1494769;1467433861;mircea_popescu;that's a different (and much lower) level of the discussion. was that your target ?
1494770;1467433899;asciilifeform;i was wondering what we want it to do, that can later not be disrupted etc.
1494771;1467433908;asciilifeform;what the useful payload is.
1494772;1467433919;mircea_popescu;yeah, you're mixing teh levels. lemme rant for a while.
1494773;1467433928;*;asciilifeform tunes in 
1494774;1467433937;*;ben_vulpes looks for davouts popcorn
1494775;1467434068;mircea_popescu;so, strategically, we (as in, humans, people, we) are confronted with an adversary (ie, socialist state, usg, aliens, the devil incarnate, pure evil, etc) that predicates its relevancy upon targeted computing denial (see http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ ; and also http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/ re the ddos "we won't fix" and so on )
1494776;1467434127;mircea_popescu;practically, bitcoin has shown, and before that theoretical considerations have indicated and predicted, at various levels of abstraction, that computing will commodify. moreover, the adversary itself is creating an eth to this particular bitcoin - they call it "the cloud".
1494777;1467434149;mircea_popescu;from these it necessarily follows that tmsr must make a correct commodization interface for computing resources.
1494778;1467434174;mircea_popescu;that's one level. and it informs the practical definition of uci, an implementation thereof, as you quote it.
1494779;1467434227;asciilifeform;it remains possible that 'cloud' == 'rent out space inside your nose' , though.
1494780;1467434232;mircea_popescu;if correctly executed, this will result in sugar, spice and everything nice necessarily. not just denying the adversary the one pasture it truly needs ; but importantly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494660
1494781;1467434232;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 03:50 mircea_popescu: HOWEVER, it will create, if successful, a ready way to resolve http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492111 and such problems.
1494782;1467434265;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it remains possible, yes. review your objection re "spamming reddit", which is exactly the same principle at work in a smaller snowglobe. their swarm of pinoy breed there, right ? pasture.
1494783;1467434307;asciilifeform;for one thing, no machines outside of my house can carry out the functions of 1 machine inside. various reasons - cryptohygiene, speed of light, reliability.
1494784;1467434323;asciilifeform;imho 'cloud' is ~crud.
1494785;1467434333;mircea_popescu;i am in general more than happy to go into "don't interrupt - mistake" mode, whenever i know this to be the case.
1494786;1467434341;mircea_popescu;here, i don't know this to be the case, moreover i suspect otherwise.
1494787;1467434365;mircea_popescu;(no, i've no proof, nor signature, etc etc)
1494788;1467434370;asciilifeform;lel
1494789;1467434375;mircea_popescu;for srsly.
1494790;1467434499;asciilifeform;1024 chickens cannot replace my ox, now or ever, for perfectly fundamental physical reasons. which does not mean that the chickens cannot propel some cart, somewhere, in approx correct direction.
1494791;1467434537;asciilifeform;but http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492111 is neither here nor there.
1494792;1467434537;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 15:09 asciilifeform: 'when DEC Alpha existed, did you motherfuckers buy?? no?? have fun'
1494793;1467434717;asciilifeform;it is also worth noting why chickens appear to work so well for the tard crowd
1494794;1467434744;asciilifeform;it is because their crud doesn't actually need to work!
1494795;1467434758;asciilifeform;aws lost the disk? no tears!
1494796;1467434784;asciilifeform;it isn't as if the random rubytardation was connected to a reactor that will melt down now.
1494797;1467434820;asciilifeform;more likely than not, the creator of the atrocity will even continue to get paid, while the crater smoulders
1494798;1467434831;asciilifeform;so nobody gives half a fuck.
1494799;1467434843;asciilifeform;not so for actual people.
1494800;1467434877;asciilifeform;who MUST get 4 when they 2+2, every single time, and within 1ns, hell or high water
1494801;1467434921;asciilifeform;or satellite loses orbit, reactor melts, privkey bits leak, cats fuck dogs, ragnarok.
1494802;1467434986;asciilifeform;'cloud' works for certain specific purposes, like ddos, where the malfeasance of any number of individual drones has 0 consequence.
1494803;1467435015;asciilifeform;anywhere else, it readily breaks down into barf
1494804;1467435066;asciilifeform;like rotting racoon on a hot summer road, it is ok dinner for ants, but not for us...
1494805;1467435246;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform consider the implications of what you are arguing. if your idea of "irreplaceable home box" stands, this necessarily reduces to fortresses, armies and dirigibles. a world which happens to exclude a lot of people
1494806;1467435250;mircea_popescu;first on the list, you.
1494807;1467435284;asciilifeform;do i need dirigible to have fork in my kitchen ?
1494808;1467435295;asciilifeform;fork is also not cloudizable.
1494809;1467435298;mircea_popescu;to have a fork obama can't confiscate ? yes.
1494810;1467435313;asciilifeform;obama can confiscate my liver.
1494811;1467435319;asciilifeform;not only fork.
1494812;1467435320;mircea_popescu;hence the problem.
1494813;1467435344;asciilifeform;not solvable by trying to outsource liver to 1024 chinese.
1494814;1467435359;mircea_popescu;this is an open matter.
1494815;1467435388;asciilifeform;if he homomorphic thing existed, i would be inclined to agree with mircea_popescu
1494816;1467435396;asciilifeform;but afaik it does not.
1494817;1467435409;asciilifeform;*the h
1494818;1467435545;asciilifeform;at any rate i was excluded from various things, like felt top hats, long ago, and will doubtless be excluded from other nice things, like forks and livers, in the future, but it does not follow that random rubbish now logically substitutes for the missing items.
1494819;1467435557;mircea_popescu;certainly not.
1494820;1467435624;mircea_popescu;in any case, the fork example is miserable. fork is commodity item and thus cloudized already. if obama steals your fork you go to chinese shitshop across street buy replacement.
1494821;1467435631;mircea_popescu;if you could only eat at versailles, you'd be fucked.
1494822;1467435634;thestringpuller;didn't realize daniel krawwisz was a brony...makes a lot of sense tho
1494823;1467435643;mircea_popescu;which is why louis tried to convince the idiots they can only TRULY eat at versailles.
1494824;1467435645;mircea_popescu;it worked!
1494825;1467435650;asciilifeform;cpu is cheaper to reproduce than steel fork.
1494826;1467435652;mircea_popescu;testement to just how fucking stupid people are.
1494827;1467435669;asciilifeform;it is really only a photograph.
1494828;1467435689;mircea_popescu;eh. this is not a discussion of metaphysics.
1494829;1467435708;asciilifeform;and 'can go across street and buy new one' != 'cloudized' !
1494830;1467435714;asciilifeform;not same at all
1494831;1467435732;asciilifeform;the fork i eat with is physics
1494832;1467435736;asciilifeform;Lly local
1494833;1467435742;asciilifeform;physically local
1494834;1467435761;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> cpu is cheaper to reproduce than steel fork it is really only a photograph. <mircea_popescu> eh. this is not a discussion of metaphysics.
1494835;1467435764;asciilifeform;and does not need to plug into a tap of forktronium from external world
1494836;1467435786;mircea_popescu;forget the fork, and generally what is this slop!
1494837;1467436004;asciilifeform;i dun find electrical communism, where i somehow need some derps across the town to add my own 2+2 and save the result, any more appealing than the other kinds.
1494838;1467436046;asciilifeform;all kolhoz is equally bovinizing.
1494839;1467436152;asciilifeform;it is bad enough that we use mains grid.
1494840;1467436174;asciilifeform;(and recall, sane folk dream of abolishing such thing, not cementing it)
1494841;1467436193;asciilifeform;$s pebble reactor
1494842;1467436194;a111;2 results for "pebble reactor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pebble%20reactor
1494843;1467436260;mircea_popescu;methinks you're modeling this wrongly.
1494844;1467436280;mircea_popescu;that i have the option to fuck any woman in town does in no conceivable way reduce to me being married to every woman that ever lived.
1494845;1467436290;mircea_popescu;it is in fact the exact opposite thereof. anthropology attests to this point.
1494846;1467436316;asciilifeform;walk me through the connection ?
1494847;1467436327;mircea_popescu;there's no "you need some derps across town to add your own 2+2" ; but instead "from the fact that you added 2+2 eve can't discern where the fuck you did it"
1494848;1467436342;mircea_popescu;anonimity - not for the poor. but for the tools!
1494849;1467436367;asciilifeform;we dun have the tech for 'can't discern'
1494850;1467436380;asciilifeform;any of it.
1494851;1467436403;mircea_popescu;to an alarming degree, which passes for "normal" in the mind of derps like rms, because it's common and he's confused, computing IS ALREADY TIVOIZED
1494852;1467436418;mircea_popescu;there isn't much in common between computer and hammer.
1494853;1467436432;asciilifeform;elaborate?
1494854;1467436465;mircea_popescu;you can't convict without body BECAUSE the "this hammer points at you, mr alf" is a sham ; and known as such, and for a long time.
1494855;1467436485;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, most modern "law enforcement" by mass is "this computer points at you mr alf". which is rank nonsense, and must go away.
1494856;1467436521;asciilifeform;it will vanish with the muppet audience, and not before
1494857;1467436545;mircea_popescu;contrary to what democratic idiots like to think, and keep affirming, the beoble has exactly no impact on history.
1494858;1467436546;asciilifeform;'she floated, therefore witch' also 'worked'.
1494859;1467436588;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand the problem with the pretense : sword cuts both ways, before you know it, i'm using it to cut their heads.
1494860;1467436602;mircea_popescu;pretense isn't the problem here.
1494861;1467436612;asciilifeform;they never seem to run out of heads tho
1494862;1467436619;mircea_popescu;nor i.
1494863;1467436646;mircea_popescu;"i fuck my wife every morn and every evening, she's not yet run out of cunt". what if she had ?!
1494864;1467436673;asciilifeform;we had a cp thread iirc
1494865;1467436684;mircea_popescu;cp = ?
1494866;1467436734;asciilifeform;where i noted that 'jailed for child pr0nz' only EVER happens to folks who a) need to have problemz b) plebe meat to keep the blades greased
1494867;1467436749;mircea_popescu;point remains : the "we don't know which physical object maps to the logical object called <this server>" bit worked, even in the "look but don't touch" version displayed by tor. in fact - it was the bait in that trap.
1494868;1467436752;asciilifeform;and never, e.g., obummer
1494869;1467436764;mircea_popescu;now, time to make a day of it, and the bait a full wedding meal.
1494870;1467436793;asciilifeform;tor never worked tho
1494871;1467436808;mircea_popescu;tor never worked, but THE "we don't know which physical object maps to the logical object called <this server>"  BIT did!
1494872;1467436816;mircea_popescu;EVEN omfg i gotta spell what i say out for you ?
1494873;1467436822;asciilifeform;except that hitler knew
1494874;1467436831;mircea_popescu;EVEN in the "look but don't touch" version displayed. ye ken ?
1494875;1467436839;asciilifeform;and all the folks who believed that he didn't, are ~dead now
1494876;1467436855;mircea_popescu;...
1494877;1467436862;asciilifeform;what does '.. but don't touch' mean?
1494878;1467436873;asciilifeform;i' clearly missing sumthing
1494879;1467436901;mircea_popescu;let's try a comparison, to clear this up. so : capacitive display, as seen in ipad, is inherently cool. the capacitive display would be the "can't phyisically identify box running server".
1494880;1467436926;mircea_popescu;now, the tor would be "ipad", except a peculiar sort that does not in fact work.
1494881;1467436942;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, people still line up to buy it, and go crazy about it, and on and on. EVEN THOUGH nobody actually got to take one home,
1494882;1467436950;mircea_popescu;but it was merely displayed, chinese mangos style.
1494883;1467436960;asciilifeform;perpetuum mobile ?
1494884;1467436961;mircea_popescu;the fact that the ipad as such doesn't exist and never worked
1494885;1467437012;mircea_popescu;has exactly no bearing on the fact that the capacitive display actually works, conceptually.
1494886;1467437038;mircea_popescu;this make sense nao ?
1494887;1467437058;asciilifeform;so posited. eeexcept in this case there was no display, no eternally turning wheel, but some dwarf hidden in the mechanism was turning a crank
1494888;1467437092;mircea_popescu;the fact that the purportedly observed behaviour, EVEN IF FAKED, still violates no physics laws is now out of the bag.
1494889;1467437099;mircea_popescu;the race is on to reproduce it without faking.
1494890;1467437103;asciilifeform;nobody actually invented the working thing tor purported to be.
1494891;1467437130;mircea_popescu;but the concept of "a method which does not allow mapping of physical resources to logical resources by third party" DOES work.
1494892;1467437138;asciilifeform;and yes, it is on. i personally watched usg blow ~50mil on homomorphicola, to 0 result.
1494893;1467437154;mircea_popescu;they're going about it wrong. as usual.
1494894;1467437157;asciilifeform;probably it spent 100x that if you count the black efforts also.
1494895;1467437167;mircea_popescu;the botnets are a lot closer to the result, in practice, than usg ever got.
1494896;1467437178;mircea_popescu;much like bitcoin etc etc.
1494897;1467437203;asciilifeform;they don't actually solve the problem.
1494898;1467437237;mircea_popescu;your notion of "actually solve the problem" oft shipwrecks on metaphysical shores.
1494899;1467437253;mircea_popescu;eating also "doesn't solve the problem".
1494900;1467437265;asciilifeform;bot nodes can and often do get successfully forensically raped and point straight to c&c throne, which, ditto
1494901;1467437276;mircea_popescu;dumbass topology.
1494902;1467437301;asciilifeform;it is forced by nat, to a large extent.
1494903;1467437302;mircea_popescu;the failure of single men to matter is not to be construed as saying anything about the abilities and capacities of hordes with herds in tow.
1494904;1467437350;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, that's the convenient excuse. it is forced by the fact that "botmaster" === "pimply idiot with no social insertion".
1494905;1467437360;mircea_popescu;ie, can't wot.
1494906;1467437380;asciilifeform;how does wot solve nat ?
1494907;1467437408;asciilifeform;as we have it, 99%+ of chump boxes can't get inbound ~anything.
1494908;1467437409;mircea_popescu;define "nat".
1494909;1467437417;asciilifeform;this forces a star topology.
1494910;1467437418;mircea_popescu;why do we care re chump boxes ?
1494911;1467437436;mircea_popescu;and star can mean many things.
1494912;1467437451;asciilifeform;because the number of voluntary boxes is 3?
1494913;1467437496;mircea_popescu;and you know this through massaging your prostate until a number squirts out ?
1494914;1467437514;asciilifeform;we dun even have 3 reliable trb nodez.
1494915;1467437524;asciilifeform;that's how.
1494916;1467437530;mircea_popescu;stop mixing shit against entropy flow. you don't give the first of a flying fuck about the number 3. you're wrtiting code, it may not contain magic numbers.
1494917;1467437563;asciilifeform;point being that 'lover army' sums to 0 if you want 'unattributable computing' etc.
1494918;1467437563;mircea_popescu;if it's right it's right and if it's wrong it's wrong. a statistical argument may not decide this. it'll be just as wrong with 3 billion and just as right with 0.
1494919;1467437574;mircea_popescu;that's not even a point.
1494920;1467437588;asciilifeform;it works with 100 rapees but not with 200 lovers.
1494921;1467437599;mircea_popescu;for it to be a point it'd have to be constructed out of things that may exist in the same sentence, which it isn't.
1494922;1467437608;asciilifeform;the involuntary participation is key.
1494923;1467437630;mircea_popescu;you've not defined "involuntary participation" in such a way as to put it in this soup and prove anything.
1494924;1467437636;mircea_popescu;go ahead, i'll listen.
1494925;1467437675;asciilifeform;per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494891
1494926;1467437675;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 05:25 mircea_popescu: but the concept of "a method which does not allow mapping of physical resources to logical resources by third party" DOES work.
1494927;1467437709;mircea_popescu; please make whole sentences. include the verbs, and the nouns, and so on.
1494928;1467437799;asciilifeform;unless i catastrophically misunderstand, the point of 'can't connect event with physical box' is to make usg inquisitions prohibitively expensive
1494929;1467437808;mircea_popescu;there is not a point in this sense.
1494930;1467437829;asciilifeform;i.e. they were not able to confiscate and search every box in ipv4 space to see which was sr
1494931;1467437851;asciilifeform;(if tor actually worked, they would have had to, or to give up)
1494932;1467437874;mircea_popescu;actually, i don't think our scheme necessarily allows to know WHICH it was even if you confiscate them all.
1494933;1467437877;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if not this, then what?
1494934;1467437886;mircea_popescu;heck, bitbet didn't keep logs. confiscate all you want. was it a timely enough confiscation ?
1494935;1467437901;asciilifeform;upstream had logs!111
1494936;1467437918;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can try and push the conversation in your "the purpose is X" scheme all you want ; it won't go there, because, again, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494929
1494937;1467437918;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 05:36 mircea_popescu: there is not a point in this sense.
1494938;1467437932;asciilifeform;the reasonable supposition is that all plaintext going a kilometre or longer outdoors is logged.
1494939;1467437953;mircea_popescu;that may be.
1494940;1467437971;asciilifeform;ergo 'bbet logged'
1494941;1467437975;mircea_popescu;mno.
1494942;1467437999;asciilifeform;now i'm lost
1494943;1467438012;mircea_popescu;"all things were preordained by god - ergo bbet logged".
1494944;1467438015;mircea_popescu;wtf is this.
1494945;1467438093;asciilifeform;y'know, my toilet doesn't log, but if flush a blended corpse down it, it is not so difficult to prove later, where it went.
1494946;1467438104;asciilifeform;same idea here,
1494947;1467438107;asciilifeform;.
1494948;1467438114;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494934
1494949;1467438114;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 05:38 mircea_popescu: heck, bitbet didn't keep logs. confiscate all you want. was it a timely enough confiscation ?
1494950;1467438117;mircea_popescu;~timely~
1494951;1467438141;asciilifeform;this - possibly.
1494952;1467438162;mircea_popescu;so no, you fake your absolutes. flush blender corpse all you want ; maybe something can be proven later. but there's no guarantee.
1494953;1467438200;asciilifeform;for fuxxsake usg long ago dispensed with absolutes re evidential standards
1494954;1467438209;mircea_popescu;that has no bearing.
1494955;1467438218;mircea_popescu;i'm not about to import usg.retardation for any reason.
1494956;1467438218;asciilifeform;most cp convictions, say, are ~= witch trial
1494957;1467438222;mircea_popescu;so ?
1494958;1467438248;mircea_popescu;there isn't a purpose, how hard is this to grok ?
1494959;1467438252;asciilifeform;so who is the target of the obfuscatron ? malevolent martians?
1494960;1467438255;asciilifeform;not usg?
1494961;1467438256;mircea_popescu;whether it does x or does y is indifferent.
1494962;1467438262;mircea_popescu;there IS NO TARGET
1494963;1467438302;asciilifeform;'i have this pistol because IT IS HUGE mutherfackerz'
1494964;1467438312;mircea_popescu;i get it, you've lived a life dealing with people who want a certain thing to come out of babbage's machine. fine.
1494965;1467438325;mircea_popescu;i don't care what comes out of it. just as long as the process is correct, come what may will be fine.
1494966;1467438370;asciilifeform;but how do you build correct process pistol without some notion of target ? is it on land? under water? armoured? etc
1494967;1467438385;mircea_popescu;you build correct pistol.
1494968;1467438392;mircea_popescu;rather than merely adequate pistol.
1494969;1467438401;asciilifeform;correct takes <argument>
1494970;1467438421;asciilifeform;correct on land is not correct under water, and vice versa
1494971;1467438432;asciilifeform;(seen underwater kalash?)
1494972;1467438488;asciilifeform;and a chimera that tries to work in both land and water, is correct nowhere.
1494973;1467438524;mircea_popescu;lousy engineering.
1494974;1467438536;mircea_popescu;correctness here is dna, not a chunk of bent metal.
1494975;1467438582;mircea_popescu;and correct takes argument, yes, but in the form of... parents. like amoeba, like urmom, like v and like everything else built to last.
1494976;1467438587;asciilifeform;we laugh at usg's submarine-tankoplane.
1494977;1467438646;asciilifeform;it is very easy for undifferentiated, amorphous chunks of possibility to appear 'correct everywhere'
1494978;1467438678;mircea_popescu;notice that if there's something that ruined computing, it's the switch from "we're building computers" to "we would like the secretaries to typeset on these".
1494979;1467438682;asciilifeform;but in actual physical world, when it is time to shoot a frogman you do it with proper chunk of bent metal.
1494980;1467438691;asciilifeform;not with dna.
1494981;1467438694;mircea_popescu;maybe i do it with a ion gun, for all you know.
1494982;1467438699;mircea_popescu;maybe i shoot him with my penis.
1494983;1467438727;mircea_popescu;anyway. the physical metaphore for computing is shitty, and has definitely outlived its usefulness.
1494984;1467438777;asciilifeform;last i checked computing, like shooting, was still something we do on sadly physical and very limited contraptions.
1494985;1467438784;mircea_popescu;code is not things, which is why whether i;d download a car or not has no fucking bearing on that discussion.
1494986;1467438822;asciilifeform;the folks who try to mathematicize away the physicalities, end up urbiting.
1494987;1467438836;mircea_popescu;everyone swallowed the inept broken premises whole, to debate the end point. fucking hell. nevermind if you'd download a car or not. CODE IS NOT CARS!
1494988;1467438884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and folks who want to know "what purpose" the program is supposed to serve end up writing openssh ; and fifty years later still wallow without proper crypto.
1494989;1467438942;mircea_popescu;the only difference being that folks who abstract end up urbiting only if idiots, and choose to do so ; whereas folks who think program is a car and internet a truck end up with openssh and junk-o-rama no matter what they want, or do, or even understand.
1494990;1467438952;mircea_popescu;they already lost their sanity when put cart before horse.
1494991;1467439044;asciilifeform;anyway i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu re 'delocalized computing is spiffy'. simply must pointout that we ~don't have it~ and that all of the proposed mechanisms put us no closer to it.
1494992;1467439060;asciilifeform;it is quite like, e.g., tokamak for fusion.
1494993;1467439075;mircea_popescu;yeah well, it is my notion that the proposed scheme, while sinfully vague, is a better prototype for it than anything else available.
1494994;1467439083;mircea_popescu;but i do not propose it's usable as is by any means.
1494995;1467439099;asciilifeform;already largely implemented by classical botnets.
1494996;1467439116;asciilifeform;nobody's creaming his pants re prospect of comouting with them.
1494997;1467439127;asciilifeform;*computing
1494998;1467439139;mircea_popescu;i don't see much of a problem.
1494999;1467439168;asciilifeform;take simple example
1495000;1467439173;asciilifeform;the 8ball.
1495001;1467439198;asciilifeform;show me how to compute it on N boxes, some of which may be malign.
1495002;1467439386;asciilifeform;'seti@home' et al approach the problem by burning the lion's share of cycles on verification/duplication.
1495003;1467439400;asciilifeform;and still end up resorting to obfuscating the client
1495004;1467439408;asciilifeform;and other idiocies
1495005;1467439836;mircea_popescu;eh, that's not contemplated. your objection is like saying "bitcoin is not the solution because my hairdresser doens't take it".
1495006;1467439853;mircea_popescu;take the obvious example : the reddit thing. can i do it on n boxes, indiferently ?
1495007;1467439882;asciilifeform;it - yes
1495008;1467439895;mircea_popescu;and while i have no doubt seti@home are imbeciles, nevertheless the problem is well solved. voting etc.
1495009;1467439900;asciilifeform;i was addressing the 'replace my comp' aspect
1495010;1467439907;asciilifeform;mno.
1495011;1467439916;asciilifeform;something gotta count the votez
1495012;1467439917;mircea_popescu;"replacing your computer" takes time.
1495013;1467439922;mircea_popescu;cars replaced horses over a century.
1495014;1467439933;asciilifeform;beetles, note, did not.
1495015;1467439942;asciilifeform;why not!111
1495016;1467439954;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?
1495017;1467439963;asciilifeform;i bet 500kg of beetle is cheaper than horse
1495018;1467439972;asciilifeform;and less failure-prone
1495019;1467439989;mircea_popescu;how the everfuck is this germane.
1495020;1467439996;asciilifeform;entirely
1495021;1467440006;ben_vulpes;'1024 chickens'
1495022;1467440046;asciilifeform;now i must sleep a bit, expedition to the bmore epicentre tomorrow, but i will return to this.
1495023;1467440095;mircea_popescu;dude. i gave you an example of cars and horses to explain how TECHNOLOGY IS REPLACED FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE FRUIT TREE UP
1495024;1467440127;mircea_popescu;you're not at liberty to freely migrate this into some crazy shit on a stick like we're doing free word association in the mental patient yard.
1495025;1467440163;mircea_popescu;obviously, X arbitrary usecase is going to be higher hanging fruit than Y. so what the fuck of it, this is always the case.
1495026;1467440190;mircea_popescu;i'm not required to show you a 1980s mercedes sedan in 1882 to explain why the fuck cars are a thing.
1495027;1467440222;asciilifeform;'replace asciilifeform's comp with 10,000 bots' != 'replace horse with car.' but == 'replace horse with 500kg of insect on strings'
1495028;1467440224;mircea_popescu;"trains will never work because are too loud" sort of nonsense.
1495029;1467440242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're the only one discussing the replacing of your computer.
1495030;1467440302;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494805 << ?
1495031;1467440302;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 04:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the implications of what you are arguing. if your idea of "irreplaceable home box" stands, this necessarily reduces to fortresses, armies and dirigibles. a world which happens to exclude a lot of people
1495032;1467440313;mircea_popescu;so ?
1495033;1467440338;mircea_popescu;this is neither here nor there, inconvenient as it may be, it has no more bearing on uci than it has on hypocaloric diets.
1495034;1467440359;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494780 << start of thread
1495035;1467440359;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 04:37 mircea_popescu: if correctly executed, this will result in sugar, spice and everything nice necessarily. not just denying the adversary the one pasture it truly needs ; but importantly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494660
1495036;1467440367;asciilifeform;'dec alpha' etc
1495037;1467440374;mircea_popescu;neither of these are "replace your computer".
1495038;1467440436;*;asciilifeform bbl, will soon fall down 
1495039;1467440443;mircea_popescu;laters.
1495040;1467467279;asciilifeform;http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2014/11/18/how-casinos-cheat-part-ii-heads-i-win-tails-you-lose << lulzy
1495041;1467467435;shinohai;https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/issues/1325
1495042;1467467519;asciilifeform;p40gr3555555555!!!!!!!!!!!
1495043;1467467621;shinohai;Rewriting the whitepaper will fix everything.
1495044;1467467887;mircea_popescu;to continue yest's convo :
1495045;1467467925;mircea_popescu;the train example is very much illustrative. there is no purpose to trains! trains exist because of the following conversation : "hey, this steam engine is pretty neat, but is it always stationary ?" "i guess you could add a rail to it..." "hmmmm".
1495046;1467467963;mircea_popescu;that's it. it exists BECAUSE you could add a rail to a steam engine. it doesn't exist TO anything, for all anyone cares it could be to go to the moon or washington as well as better circle the wagons or hunt mountain goats.
1495047;1467468003;mircea_popescu;and in this context there exists a correctness, "what do we make the rail out of ?" "well, minimum mass of functional steam engine is 1 ton, so i guess something rigid enough ; but also can't be friable must be ductile.
1495048;1467468015;mircea_popescu;"oh so no cement, collected baby teeth, braided hay or glass then!"
1495049;1467468031;mircea_popescu;"no, gotta be metal" "silver ?" no, abundant" "then iron is the correct substance" "So it is!"
1495050;1467468082;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, considerations of "abstract thinkers" who are really metaphysicians, such as "will people be able to breathe ???" are not to be considered. if they are they live if they are not they die. nobody cares. whether leika comes back down or not is not a point of consideration in the soviet space programme.
1495051;1467468129;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, considerations of powers that wanna be, who really aren't, such as cixi wanting it to be "quiter than x" or hilary clinton wanting it to "not destroy usg because the us understood as usg was always great" will also not be considered.
1495052;1467468142;mircea_popescu;neither of these two form part of correctness ; the consideration of material strength above does.
1495053;1467468159;mircea_popescu;so no, no "correct for x". there is a "correct of y" and that's the whole of the law.
1495054;1467468520;mircea_popescu;( http://change.com/int/leika-2.html the dog in question, for they unfamiliar with 20th century history)
1495055;1467468739;mircea_popescu; http://time.com/3546215/laika-1957/ << also interested for idiotologists, because of the references to imbecile ustardian press of the 50s, and exact unchanged restatement half a century later. truly nothing has changed in our colonies on the indian plains.
1495056;1467468799;mircea_popescu;apparently a bare tits floor cleanner / anthropologist named jennifer latson actually believes what "the press at the time" said is a source of truth ; and worth the mention other than derisively.
1495057;1467468929;mircea_popescu;and speaking of jennifers : i can report partial data on a multi-year research project. of the "internet demographic" (under 30, poor, intelligent, educated, ambitious - the sort that supplies the seo experts, hackers, camwhores etc), 93% (of 2274) males and 2% (of 741) females actually heard of bitcoin.
1495058;1467468963;asciilifeform;they also heard of neutrino.
1495059;1467468976;mircea_popescu;women are by their nature stupid, there's no way to argue with the data. they'll do great on confucian-style government exams and nowhere else. especially nowhere it matters, such as you know, "the carpet has just been pulled from under clinton and it's not coming back, you know who pulled it ?"
1495060;1467468977;asciilifeform;how many can say anything actionable about either.
1495061;1467468992;mircea_popescu;ask a guy, "mircea popescu", ask a gal, "jennifer latson???"
1495062;1467469006;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you saying it doesn't matter ?
1495063;1467469020;mircea_popescu;~0, % or no %, can say anything actionable about either, or anything else.
1495064;1467469048;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also, lajka
1495065;1467469060;mircea_popescu;yaya
1495066;1467469073;mircea_popescu;don't make me load my koi!
1495067;1467470197;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495045 << can't resist this invitation: first railroads were horse-drawn
1495068;1467470197;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 13:58 mircea_popescu: the train example is very much illustrative. there is no purpose to trains! trains exist because of the following conversation : "hey, this steam engine is pretty neat, but is it always stationary ?" "i guess you could add a rail to it..." "hmmmm".
1495069;1467470218;asciilifeform;and had pretty obvious 'purpose' - 'wouldntcha like to go faster on this set of horse'
1495070;1467470222;asciilifeform;faster/longer.
1495071;1467470297;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1495072;1467470298;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1495073;1467470329;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494383 < not presently, because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-18#1409864
1495074;1467470329;a111;Logged on 2016-02-18 22:21 gabriel_laddel: I have a few obligations to take care of here in the US first.
1495075;1467470329;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 19:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494313 << wait, i'm confused. you... live in buenos aires ?
1495076;1467470351;gabriel_laddel; What I had intended to say was: I'm on the hunt for products that are difficult to create in the ussa because of the supergay laws, or the interactions between the supergay laws and the situation in the field (ie, why one cannot make automated turrets to defend one's $100/month flat in the hood == the feds).
1495077;1467470433;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: Speaking of which, why is it so difficult to get 'stuff' into BA? If I wanted to ship in a bunch of computer parts and undercut the Uruguay competition (computers reportedly cost 2x what they do in the states because ??) the issues would be what exactly?
1495078;1467470474;gabriel_laddel;(am assuming I'd be able to ship in parts to BA, assemble them into machines and then take a ferry and sell in MTV)
1495079;1467470838;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495076 << yer still thinking like a young fella, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465891
1495080;1467470838;a111;Logged on 2016-05-11 19:33 mircea_popescu: fwiw, young males that aren't entirely dumb go almost universally through this phase of "fantasy busienss" where they keep doing various coups in their heads, start a carwash then buy a shoestore with the proceeds then trade that in for a chain fo restaurants etc etc etc.
1495081;1467470838;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 14:39 gabriel_laddel:  What I had intended to say was: I'm on the hunt for products that are difficult to create in the ussa because of the supergay laws, or the interactions between the supergay laws and the situation in the field (ie, why one cannot make automated turrets to defend one's $100/month flat in the hood == the feds).
1495082;1467470880;gabriel_laddel;I've already sold 'stuff' here in the states, and don't see how it could possibly be different in SA?
1495083;1467470890;asciilifeform;re the turrets
1495084;1467470910;asciilifeform;armanent business is a well-colonized thing, the power players know who they are.
1495085;1467470921;asciilifeform;and aren't welcoming randos.
1495086;1467470942;asciilifeform;(mega-unsurprise)
1495087;1467470967;gabriel_laddel;Oh oh, my point is more along the lines of - you can't cook mustard gas, use it on the hoodrats and then make use of the large industrial zone near oakland.
1495088;1467470974;gabriel_laddel;why not? feds.
1495089;1467470985;asciilifeform;hoodrats are the loyal servants of feds
1495090;1467470989;asciilifeform;$s anarchotyranny
1495091;1467470989;a111;6 results for "anarchotyranny", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=anarchotyranny
1495092;1467470993;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform horsedrawn /mule drawn mine rail is not railroad.
1495093;1467470997;gabriel_laddel;right. hence south america
1495094;1467471024;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: who would you like to gas in ~south~ america ?
1495095;1467471027;asciilifeform;i dun get it
1495096;1467471033;*;gabriel_laddel would like to live in Kr, but it is an ethnostate in which non-koreans cannot own anything.
1495097;1467471039;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fefeleaga!1111
1495098;1467471065;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel computers do not cost 2x, except hte locals are 2x as idiotic. the home shopping network demographic pays 20 bux for a plastic "earring organizer", but this is not because "plastic is expensive in the us".
1495099;1467471082;phf;hmm i think a111 returns message references in reverse order..
1495100;1467471096;mircea_popescu;you could liberally do the ferry bit, but it wouldn't net you the (very cheap) ticket cost.
1495101;1467471105;asciilifeform;phf: it does
1495102;1467471136;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I don't really want to gas anyone, but must be able to respond to threats in a reasonable manner
1495103;1467471142;gabriel_laddel;remeber the BA guy on a motorbike?
1495104;1467471154;asciilifeform;which
1495105;1467471158;mircea_popescu;back when they actually had capital controls in place i imported what must amount to one metric ton in us bills via ferry on montevideo.
1495106;1467471203;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel VERY, VERY different in SA. you have no fucking idea, and apparently you've not been following my field reports. these people are retarded. economically speaking, they're dumber than a gecko.
1495107;1467471207;gabriel_laddel;the video of a motorbike robbery from reddit a year or two ago
1495108;1467471225;mircea_popescu;you're ~20k words behind.
1495109;1467471249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i still question that anybody with two legs, anywhere, is dumber than the folx here in good ol' phreeeeeeedomlande
1495110;1467471251;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: I've been reading the reports.. hence my interest.
1495111;1467471258;shinohai;http://archive.is/kx8Gj   <<< I may be asshole, but I think ppl like this deserve to lose whatever sums of Bitcoin they had.
1495112;1467471269;asciilifeform;we have a literal meta-africa here
1495113;1467471275;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform economically ? did i tell you about the one time when i took over management of a grocery store for 10 minutes ?
1495114;1467471291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: when the proprietor went for a smoke ?
1495115;1467471292;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY
1495116;1467471319;gabriel_laddel;^ anyways, if that occurs I'd like to be able to stuff a backpack full of explosives, let the guy run off with it and then detonate without being bothered by the feds
1495117;1467471332;mircea_popescu;shinohai gaw fallout innit ? the same fucktards who were importantly commenting on websites, rettardit, tardstalk, what have you and "feeling like a trader/investor/capitalist" for a year or so.
1495118;1467471360;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel incidentally, if you think that fucktard was "a threat", you have serious issues.
1495119;1467471364;shinohai;Yup, those same fucktards. Now "Please Fbeeeeeeeeeeeye save us!!!!!"
1495120;1467471394;mircea_popescu;for over half the encounter, he was wide the fuck open to a head-to-chin, and the fact that the croc totting ustard DIDNT lay him flat on his ass is an insult to humanity.
1495121;1467471411;mircea_popescu;shinohai because "it ain't right" because "normal people" with "families".
1495122;1467471436;gabriel_laddel;physically I am a twink, anyone trying to rob me with a gun is a threat
1495123;1467471447;gabriel_laddel;my ex-gf was/is stronger than I
1495124;1467471453;gabriel_laddel;(granted, she played sports etc)
1495125;1467471511;mircea_popescu;anyway. ba is safer than a retirement home.
1495126;1467471519;phf;that's a pretty funny video
1495127;1467471542;asciilifeform;did the robber get stabbed? hard to tell from the clip exactly what
1495128;1467471547;mircea_popescu;nah.
1495129;1467471563;gabriel_laddel;the 'victim' just rode away iirc?
1495130;1467471568;gabriel_laddel;and the guy failed to use the gun
1495131;1467471598;phf;who wants a dead american on their hands for couple a hundred bucks?
1495132;1467471599;gabriel_laddel;"did i tell you about the one time when i took over management of a grocery store for 10 minutes ?" < do tell
1495133;1467471695;asciilifeform;what's with robber who puts pistol ~back in pocket~ ?!
1495134;1467471734;mircea_popescu;incidentally : http://trilema.com/2016/mochila-o-muerte/
1495135;1467471887;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel i was sick, recently. wanted supplies. idiots were running one single counter (of the two in the place) and the local women were doing their local womanly bullshit : bagfull of 100+ different 10gram items individually wrapped, to be paid with "credit card". so i asked the girl to call the manager over, and she was like "he's that way" and i was i dun give a shit, call him over. at which point some kid with aspi
1495136;1467471888;phf;mochila is like the guy who мочит
1495137;1467471888;mircea_popescu;rations decided he'd cut in and pretend he's the manager, so i asked him his name, at which point the entire fucking sky fell on his head. he didn't see that one coming, he honestly imagined he's going to be the anonymous responsible & in charge.
1495138;1467471894;asciilifeform;^^!
1495139;1467471897;*;asciilifeform falls down
1495140;1467471902;mircea_popescu;anyway, they opened the 2nd counter and i was out of there in five minutes.
1495141;1467471918;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's what being an argentine is like.
1495142;1467471954;gabriel_laddel;I spoke too soon re mustard gas in sa
1495143;1467472037;mircea_popescu;in general, the correct pattern of interaction with argentines, and i suspect south americans in general, is to talk loudly and carry a whip.
1495144;1467472064;mircea_popescu;they don't understand words, in the sense that the meaning may form but the idea that there's a relation between action and meaning is as foreign to them as tentacles are to mammal reproductory system.
1495145;1467472078;mircea_popescu;but it does get their attention, and the whip does the rest, provided you don't need them for any skilled purpose.
1495146;1467472083;mircea_popescu;they're entirely incapable of skilled labour.
1495147;1467472101;mircea_popescu;except cooking, but that's morel like ritualized activity than labour in any sense.
1495148;1467472112;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1495149;1467472113;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1495150;1467472176;phf;apparently mochila is backpack
1495151;1467472223;mircea_popescu;anyway, back to the issue : the flow was "ship to montevideo ferry to ba", but this changed recently, and likely to change more in the future. current president is usg tool and pretty firmly set on raping the locals
1495152;1467472231;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, is an idea i love. these idiots should not exist.
1495153;1467472244;asciilifeform;'he wears his heart safety-pinned to his backpack, his backpack is all that he knows!' (tm) (r)
1495154;1467472253;mircea_popescu;phf yeah. "sacate la mochilla", which ll = y they mispronounce as sh because mountaineous gits, means "take off your backpack"
1495155;1467472311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you'd prefer ted turner's latifundias to the current fauna ?
1495156;1467472315;mircea_popescu;yes,
1495157;1467472344;mircea_popescu;it is an absurd situation, to hate the usg and propose "independent people" are the solution, then look at what "soberania y patria bla bla" idiots make and decide you'd rather see a slave empire in its place.
1495158;1467472365;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it's true. if the us napalmed this place into the ground i'd be the first to applaud. it's an insult to humanity.
1495159;1467472418;asciilifeform;so where can we visit actual-people-land ?
1495160;1467472433;mircea_popescu;nowhere that i know.
1495161;1467472433;asciilifeform;nazi colony in antarctica ?
1495162;1467472437;asciilifeform;lel
1495163;1467472437;gabriel_laddel;WoT enabled housing, block by block
1495164;1467472447;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: visit barriloche
1495165;1467472454;mircea_popescu;the choices are practically various sorts of socialism, and female-led argentina is WAY the fuck worse than female-led us.
1495166;1467472474;mircea_popescu;do you know old women here have the unmitigated gall to sit in cafes ? LIKE THEY WERE PEOPLE ?!?!
1495167;1467472480;asciilifeform;should i be scouting bmore digs for mircea_popescu, lel ?
1495168;1467472486;mircea_popescu;yes.
1495169;1467472492;asciilifeform;i'ma be lookin' at 2 boxes tonight
1495170;1467472511;asciilifeform;not quite diribigle-grade, but cheap!111111
1495171;1467472538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you could get entire street for less than your diesel cost
1495172;1467472552;phf;"backpack or death". that's gotta be lamest gangsta motto i've heard. reminds me of the russian gop stop in the 90s, one tactic was "do you have (cellphone|money|magic the gathering card)?" and if you said no the next gambit always cracked me up "if i found them they will be mine?" like oh shit they're on to me
1495173;1467472555;gabriel_laddel;"visit barriloche" < ?
1495174;1467472577;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: german enclave
1495175;1467472581;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im thinking next stop will probably be us gangland conveniently placed close to large campus.
1495176;1467472587;mircea_popescu;loot, rape and pillage irl.
1495177;1467472589;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: jhu !
1495178;1467472596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: precisely where i will be visiting.
1495179;1467472609;mircea_popescu;aha
1495180;1467472609;asciilifeform;there are ~two~ large campusen in bmore
1495181;1467472619;asciilifeform;jhu (posh, private) and umbc (government)
1495182;1467472631;phf;mircea_popescu: south carolina state
1495183;1467472650;mircea_popescu;phf there's options, just, not sure the chicken's cooked yet.
1495184;1467472657;*;mircea_popescu likes his chicken cooked to death.
1495185;1467472669;asciilifeform;pretty sure that one's still cluckin' along
1495186;1467472686;phf;"A small university located in Orangeburg, SC where ghetto kids with low GPA's go so that they are able to say that they attended college. Drug and otherwise criminal activity on campus make the school experience here quite similar to living in the projects."
1495187;1467472693;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, but i believe you to be the sort who would have also believed romanian state to exist in 1992.
1495188;1467472711;mircea_popescu;phf nah, that's no good.
1495189;1467472735;mircea_popescu;you want extensive gangland few miles away from large school where idiot middleclass / helimoms send their precious, isolated offspring.
1495190;1467472745;asciilifeform;that'd be jhu.
1495191;1467472765;phf;actually a lot of ivies qualify
1495192;1467472790;phf;upenn is north and south of projects, yale is new haven which is ghetto outside of yale perimeter
1495193;1467472791;mircea_popescu;aha. i am evidently not the only one with this plan.
1495194;1467472802;asciilifeform;http://www.jameslafond.com/btg << the blue zone in top center of lafond's map
1495195;1467472832;asciilifeform;yes, the jhu that has armed escorts from lecture hall to garage
1495196;1467472836;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: sorry, you want to live in/near ganglang why exactly?
1495197;1467472851;mircea_popescu;anyway. mass rape of, to quote, "many of the most beautiful Jewesses" is never an accident. everything conspires to get the lambs slaugthered.
1495198;1467472870;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel legal immunity. as they say in civ, "our words are backed with nuclear weapons".
1495199;1467472960;phf;i used to live in dodgy part of west philadelphia, and as i would make my way to civilization you'd start encountering campus police on patrol, which i realized is exactly like medieval sentries. these chubby, mostly ineffective guys and girls doing their rounds at 2am. "2 PAST MIIIDNIGHT. ALL IS SAFE"
1495200;1467473016;mircea_popescu;phf kinda why the black criminal world was so indignant over that trayvon martin thing.
1495201;1467473036;mircea_popescu;"bitch, you got a free pass because your white boy ass can't jump, an' now you go an' kill the homeboy ?!?!?!?"
1495202;1467473074;asciilifeform;same reason nazis were indignant over warsaw ghetto uprising
1495203;1467473080;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1495204;1467473082;asciilifeform;'bitch dontcha know yer job is to die and make soap'
1495205;1467473122;mircea_popescu;anyway. /me has always lived in ghetto. i can't fucking stand "gated communities" and in general the stench of fear.
1495206;1467473129;mircea_popescu;most of the girls can't either.
1495207;1467473150;asciilifeform;plenty of fear in lafond's redzone
1495208;1467473172;asciilifeform;some of them folk have iron doors that'd be the envy of any bank, etc
1495209;1467473218;asciilifeform;i dunno that i've ever been inside of a 'gated komyoonity'
1495210;1467473223;asciilifeform;does a u.s. army base count ?
1495211;1467473231;phf;girl was complaining in ghetto from time to time "man, i'm tired of these black guys hooting and hollering after me, nigga i'm just trying to make it to the store". so we moved to "safest city in united states" and she ~hates~ it. "men here smell of desperation, frankly i'm more terrified of them then i was of ghetto guys"
1495212;1467473262;gabriel_laddel;sorry, safest city in the us is?
1495213;1467473275;asciilifeform;..alcatraz?
1495214;1467473298;phf;gabriel_laddel: rockville, md. they had a crime here once, a black guy jaywalked.
1495215;1467473313;asciilifeform;lel i lived there for more than decade
1495216;1467473329;mircea_popescu;phf girl has a solid point.,
1495217;1467473375;mircea_popescu;fucking buffallo, will stampede, nothing you can do. felides and canides have better shit to do than get themselves killed over bothering you.
1495218;1467473380;phf;they have city court, district court and state court, and a police building. i've not seen this many police cars patrollin in my life. even in russia
1495219;1467473405;asciilifeform;phf: somebody's gotta issue them parking ticketz!11
1495220;1467473422;asciilifeform;but yes, phf's description is spot on.
1495221;1467473434;asciilifeform;rockville is where the bureaucrat folk live.
1495222;1467473445;asciilifeform;where the 'red' metro line ends.
1495223;1467473463;phf;actually, saw some police cars rolling around recently, that were straight out of Half Life 2. fully black, matte, all angles tanks
1495224;1467473482;asciilifeform;phf: these were issued to all md police precincts some time after gulf war 2
1495225;1467473484;asciilifeform;for phree.
1495226;1467473506;asciilifeform;they are spiffy, i've been inside one, it is like lenin's little tank
1495227;1467473574;phf;something along these lines http://cdn.abclocal.go.com/content/kgo/images/cms/287477_1280x720.jpg
1495228;1467473590;asciilifeform;aha, them
1495229;1467473630;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-05#859183
1495230;1467473630;a111;Logged on 2014-10-05 03:25 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/R4EbgZN
1495231;1467473966;mircea_popescu;pretty shitty.
1495232;1467473983;mircea_popescu;no mobility, deeply useless as police vehicle. that's an army truck.
1495233;1467474052;asciilifeform;it dun need mobility. plants down, then opens fire from turret.
1495234;1467474058;asciilifeform;siege engine.
1495235;1467474112;mircea_popescu;that is not police.
1495236;1467474138;asciilifeform;it's internal security, guardia civil, whatever. in usa they both, for historic accident, are called 'police'.
1495237;1467474149;mircea_popescu;ya but it also means they lost.
1495238;1467474175;mircea_popescu;ask nypd veteran from the days the city still ~worked, whether he'd like that for a cruiser
1495239;1467474182;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, what it being the cruiser means.
1495240;1467474187;asciilifeform;how lost ? the apc is there in case the designated africas try to spill into the rockvilles.
1495241;1467474194;asciilifeform;to mow them zulus down.
1495242;1467474209;asciilifeform;but typically the armoured thing is not used as cruiser
1495243;1467474213;asciilifeform;it gets sent to 'situations'
1495244;1467474230;asciilifeform;where there are already 5-6 cruisers writhing impotently
1495245;1467474247;mircea_popescu;situations lol. such vocabulary even.
1495246;1467474254;asciilifeform;their terminology.
1495247;1467474269;mircea_popescu;ситуация :D
1495248;1467474273;asciilifeform;aha.
1495249;1467474343;mircea_popescu;aaaanywya.
1495250;1467478572;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i'm guessing zoolag is down?
1495251;1467478926;thestringpuller;$nodes
1495252;1467479397;mircea_popescu;$ex
1495253;1467479770;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495250 << no?
1495254;1467479770;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 16:56 thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm guessing zoolag is down?
1495255;1467479784;asciilifeform;blackholed quite often though.
1495256;1467481298;thestringpuller;72.83.9.184:8333 ??? that one right?
1495257;1467481374;shinohai;Im experiencing much the same with mine, after a while goes to zero connections and never reconnects unless I restart.
1495258;1467481560;thestringpuller;i can't connect to alf-node
1495259;1467481622;thestringpuller;did another restart. (i pinged the ip and it works?). so we'll see what happens. I'm just using -connect to do initial sync.
1495260;1467488207;mircea_popescu;no soup for you! come back with note from stalin!
1495261;1467488237;shinohai;>.<
1495262;1467488584;mircea_popescu;and in other wedding news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/59ea216b3448d34ae033dca13746ade7/tumblr_nqsgypF89E1rhw4clo1_500.gif
1495263;1467490013;mircea_popescu;$up xcfw748
1495264;1467490014;deedbot;xcfw748 voiced for 30 minutes.
1495265;1467490079;*;trinque makes a drive-by comment because otherwise busy drinking at pool with babes
1495266;1467490094;mircea_popescu;bits for tits trinque !
1495267;1467490103;mircea_popescu;help teh faucet flow.
1495268;1467490104;trinque;asciilifeform: UCI is a replacement for AWS or "hosting" or "computing for hire" or whatever you like; comparing it to your beloved home "ox" is ridiculous
1495269;1467490133;xcfw748;greetings, i have some qntra css that BingoBoingo may be interested in
1495270;1467490134;*;trinque could not be more enthusiastic about joining the UCI conversation when he tires of beer and beauty, bbl!
1495271;1467490151;xcfw748;BingoBoingo this was very little css https://imgur.com/a/5gId0
1495272;1467490249;xcfw748;if you like it i can finish up what's in the @media query for mobile and send it over
1495273;1467490268;mircea_popescu;o look, now it looks more like trilema.
1495274;1467490277;xcfw748;if not, let me know where it falls short and i'll see what i can do
1495275;1467490289;shinohai;http://i.4cdn.org/b/1467483180671.webm   <<< for those that like to warm it up before use.
1495276;1467490307;*;asciilifeform done with the ruinz, now off into generic bmore
1495277;1467490314;asciilifeform;pics later.
1495278;1467490334;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i should have sent you some "tits for bits" flyers to put up lolz!
1495279;1467490346;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo would luvvvv this place
1495280;1467490365;asciilifeform;all of his favourite creatures are here
1495281;1467490369;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495262 << it was in teh log!
1495282;1467490369;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 19:43 mircea_popescu: and in other wedding news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/59ea216b3448d34ae033dca13746ade7/tumblr_nqsgypF89E1rhw4clo1_500.gif
1495283;1467490381;asciilifeform;scootymen, big mamaz, et al
1495284;1467490384;mircea_popescu;not EXACTLY, no!
1495285;1467490391;mircea_popescu;different shot was in log.
1495286;1467490422;*;asciilifeform bbl, off to see ww2 sub
1495287;1467490451;ben_vulpes;no wai
1495288;1467490787;mircea_popescu;lol. alf getting ahead of you in the seeing the world score ben_vulpes ? WHERE'S YOUR PORTLAND NAO, BISH ???
1495289;1467490956;BingoBoingo;xcfw748: Your CSS has too much style. Looks very Wordpress
1495290;1467490962;ben_vulpes;re last shot
1495291;1467490965;ben_vulpes;we have our own sub tyvm
1495292;1467490969;ben_vulpes;'hunt for red october'
1495293;1467490992;ben_vulpes;ran around in it nearly yearly...for a while
1495294;1467491018;BingoBoingo;And what's with the black links? Are they links?
1495295;1467491039;BingoBoingo;And grey text, wtf?
1495296;1467491090;BingoBoingo;Admirable effort, but doesn't let default styling shine where it should. It's a bit too much
1495297;1467491181;xcfw748;BingoBoingo thanks for looking
1495298;1467491181;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ah ok then!
1495299;1467491195;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you two know each other ?
1495300;1467491216;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: no
1495301;1467491229;xcfw748;yes, the black links for post titles and sidebar story links are all links. readers are used to them being links by nature of their placement on the page
1495302;1467491253;xcfw748;the inline links are colored blue to distinguish from adjacent, non link text
1495303;1467491265;xcfw748;re: gray text, which gray text on the page offends?
1495304;1467491269;BingoBoingo;xcfw748: If you could post moble screenshots of both designs (full page) and you will see why Qntra CSS works. Also no, black text is never links.
1495305;1467491284;BingoBoingo;xcfw748: All of it. Text needs contrast.
1495306;1467491307;BingoBoingo;Why should eyes have to work any harder than the minimum. Let brain do the work, not eyes.
1495307;1467492085;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 experiment worked, but is only useful for already crafted tx's since there is no signrawtransaction capability yet.
1495308;1467492086;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1495309;1467492298;BingoBoingo;xcfw748: As we are strangers pls keep conversation in channel
1495310;1467492299;deedbot;[Trilema] Atti impuri all'italiana - http://trilema.com/2016/atti-impuri-allitaliana/
1495311;1467492307;BingoBoingo;$up xcfw748
1495312;1467492307;deedbot;xcfw748 voiced for 30 minutes.
1495313;1467492324;xcfw748;BingoBoingo noted. is this a direction you would be interested in given some modifications? or is it not the right aesthetic for qntra?
1495314;1467492329;BingoBoingo;The problem is not the aesthetic, but the usability
1495315;1467492388;BingoBoingo;Mission #1 of currenct qntra design is to be maximally accessible independent of device, browser, or physical handicap
1495316;1467492467;xcfw748;this is a good mission
1495317;1467492476;xcfw748;i believe some adjustments can be made to address your concerns
1495318;1467492573;xcfw748;brb making adjustments
1495319;1467492590;BingoBoingo;But as qntra's been around a while now also gotta maintain brand identity, which means current color scheme
1495320;1467492619;BingoBoingo;And no specifying fonts, because what if people prefer to change their default font to their favorite?
1495321;1467492632;BingoBoingo;And so on tends to lead to the current theme staying the same.
1495322;1467492667;xcfw748;did not change the font specification from the current css
1495323;1467492670;BingoBoingo;BTW, have you ever read Qntra on Moble?
1495324;1467492682;xcfw748;yes, i appreciated when the @media query was added
1495325;1467492698;xcfw748;makes reading on phone much easier
1495326;1467492750;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495319   <<< this I agree with. The current scheme is instantly identifiable as Qntra, beyond shadow of a doubt.
1495327;1467492750;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 20:49 BingoBoingo: But as qntra's been around a while now also gotta maintain brand identity, which means current color scheme
1495328;1467492948;mod6;shinohai: hey, thanks for checking that out.
1495329;1467492963;xcfw748;BingoBoingo shinohai agree completely. however, brands do evolve over time. i intended this to be an evolutionary update. perhaps went to far?
1495330;1467493024;shinohai;It certainly isn't my decision to make, ignore me. I am of the "if not broke, why fix?" camp
1495331;1467493062;shinohai;np mod6. signing raw tx's would have to be a 15 quintillion step process xD
1495332;1467493209;xcfw748;thanks for your time, if i get bored again i may take another pass keeping feedback in mind
1495333;1467493312;shinohai;>.>
1495334;1467494431;BingoBoingo;ty
1495335;1467494722;shinohai;?
1495336;1467494804;BingoBoingo;??
1495337;1467498075;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495275 << jaysus she falls on the trough no less.
1495338;1467498075;a111;Logged on 2016-07-02 20:11 shinohai: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1467483180671.webm   <<< for those that like to warm it up before use.
1495339;1467500046;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1495340;1467500048;gribble;Current Blocks: 419023 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 304 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1495341;1467502600;shinohai;http://archive.is/h9UtE   <<< supernova to close their ethereum mining pool, because fuck the hard fork.
1495342;1467502603;shinohai;lulzy
1495343;1467503515;BingoBoingo;$up plp
1495344;1467503516;deedbot;plp voiced for 30 minutes.
1495345;1467508899;mats;so i looked at the remaining judge's case history (Charles Wilson) and he doesn't have any that meet the qualifications
1495346;1467508974;mircea_popescu;mats say leave a comment with link to the csv you used for source, and with your extracted set
1495347;1467508984;mircea_popescu;ima give it a week or something see if there's objections or anything ?
1495348;1467508989;mats;ok
1495349;1467509013;mircea_popescu;anyone else with an interest in paralegal work - now's your chance btw.
1495350;1467509099;mircea_popescu;shinohai kinda almost not really qntra item huh
1495351;1467509106;mircea_popescu;anyway, eth is going up up up i see.
1495352;1467509142;shinohai;I thought about it but they are a pretty small pool in terms of total net hash.
1495353;1467509152;*;asciilifeform baaaak
1495354;1467509152;*;mircea_popescu remembers fondly the times back... oh, was it like maybe two weeks ago ? when the victorious forces of derp bought their way out of the hole because hey, they got enough moneyz to bury me or something ?
1495355;1467509154;mircea_popescu;such good times.
1495356;1467509185;mircea_popescu;"For the other thing, rape’s no fun if the meat’s not at the very least squiggling and the #etherape’s no different."
1495357;1467509190;mircea_popescu;wb asciilifeform
1495358;1467509206;mircea_popescu;looking forward to your first loperos article as a real estate mog-owl.
1495359;1467509214;asciilifeform;i didn't buy any
1495360;1467509282;asciilifeform;reckoned up the cost of the missing parts, and it + base cost is > what i got.
1495361;1467509341;mircea_popescu;lol
1495362;1467509435;*;asciilifeform poorphag
1495363;1467509512;mircea_popescu;i'm curious what ending up paying 10x more to host servers than you pay to host women in a given month will do to your "i dun wanna rent" perspective.
1495364;1467509525;mircea_popescu;but in other news, the best pears ever got in season here, they're fabulous
1495365;1467509530;asciilifeform;mm
1495366;1467509554;*;mircea_popescu bought a coupla dozen, chopped them off, stuck in jars with clove, muskatnuss, a little alspice and about 3 bottles of cognac
1495367;1467509568;mircea_popescu;now i have an army of delicious jars
1495368;1467509579;asciilifeform;the locals were an interesting set of mental case
1495369;1467509598;asciilifeform;old white bloke on electric wheelchair going up, down, up, down, the street, all day long
1495370;1467509608;asciilifeform;buncha duded hanging around doing ~nothing
1495371;1467509616;asciilifeform;the whole lafond safari set in one place
1495372;1467509621;asciilifeform;*dudes
1495373;1467509679;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495363 << waiwut?
1495374;1467509679;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 01:31 mircea_popescu: i'm curious what ending up paying 10x more to host servers than you pay to host women in a given month will do to your "i dun wanna rent" perspective.
1495375;1467509703;mircea_popescu;in other news nobody cares about, ethereum komoonity turning ugly with "what if fork doesn't get consensus" and other anxieties.
1495376;1467509709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what part ?
1495377;1467509734;asciilifeform;why would running a great many servers change my perspective ?
1495378;1467509786;mircea_popescu;i dunno, perspectives change.
1495379;1467509793;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495375   <<< I am watching the topic eagerly, just waiting for a good Qntra to emerge.
1495380;1467509793;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 01:35 mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, ethereum komoonity turning ugly with "what if fork doesn't get consensus" and other anxieties.
1495381;1467509809;asciilifeform;as it is, i bleed megatonnes of money
1495382;1467509811;asciilifeform;and would like to not.
1495383;1467509815;asciilifeform;and dun see this changing.
1495384;1467509838;mircea_popescu;$1mn in rents ?
1495385;1467509872;asciilifeform;eventually.
1495386;1467509915;mircea_popescu;nice castle you got thar!
1495387;1467509934;asciilifeform;lel
1495388;1467509955;asciilifeform;the idea of paying ~0 is so alluring, it is like dividing by zero
1495389;1467509993;mircea_popescu;"Where Can I Find The Latest Update On The Path Forward?  Its stressful here now on Reddit trying to navigate content with all the Trolls that have arrived lately trying to spread lies and FUD."
1495390;1467509999;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1495391;1467510001;asciilifeform;where is this
1495392;1467510003;mircea_popescu;awww! funny how these always go the same way.
1495393;1467510056;mircea_popescu;gaw veterans no doubt remember the same "1.oh we're taking over the world 2.no nevermind, tiny road bump ; 3. o wait we got a fix ; 4. crap the fix don't work but we'll pull together as a assburger community ; 5. omfg the trolls!!!!"
1495394;1467510088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qwdjq/where_can_i_find_the_latest_update_on_the_path/  << the irony self-crit of that title...
1495395;1467510106;mircea_popescu;but anyway, desperation mounts. kinda preview of hilary campaign come november.
1495396;1467510206;shinohai;tfw entire community is made up of trollz
1495397;1467510430;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qwdjq/where_can_i_find_the_latest_update_on_the_path/d4x18b9 << lel
1495398;1467510509;BingoBoingo;Who ever knew there'd be a day when plumbing pressurized supply became easier than plumbing drain
1495399;1467510574;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. the chain of forced mistakes.
1495400;1467510617;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1495401;1467510623;mircea_popescu;usually begins with a http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484667
1495402;1467510623;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 17:54 mircea_popescu: and when i finally croak ima go to saint peter an' say loudly an' clearly "what are you droning on about, old man, i didn't do nuttin'. ASK ANYONE!"
1495403;1467510624;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 702.75, vol: 5583.87470251 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 681.272, vol: 6102.92955 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 702.28, vol: 31902.94784956 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 676.0, vol: 0.22 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 710.417462, vol: 42318.61990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 702.94, vol: 1270.97609253 | Volume-weighted last average: 704.79909141
1495404;1467510902;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What can't you fix in these houses that goes beyond two 100 ft rolls of PEX and crimping tools?
1495405;1467510946;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: missing floors, wall wiring, furnace, bathroom contents, entirety of kitchen, etc.
1495406;1467510961;asciilifeform;it isn't that all of this cannot be fixed, but that the cost adds up quickly.
1495407;1467510968;asciilifeform;tanstaafl (tm) (r).
1495408;1467511045;BingoBoingo;Floors nbd, wiring... who needs more than 3 outlets, furnace < fireplace
1495409;1467511054;BingoBoingo;ALso who needs more than one sink?
1495410;1467511059;asciilifeform;ugh
1495411;1467511080;BingoBoingo;What? Your hill and Kalash not comfy enough?
1495412;1467511113;asciilifeform;need dry and at 20c or so.
1495413;1467511175;BingoBoingo;Spend one outlet from your budget on dehumidifier, another on window AC for whichever room you choose to condition.
1495414;1467511187;mircea_popescu;"I am hoping there will be a hard fork and all is resolved soon so that we can go back to normal days with the excitement of watching and reading about all the innovation that is going on with Ethereum. Maybe /u/vbuterin if you have time."
1495415;1467511190;mircea_popescu;epic.
1495416;1467511220;mircea_popescu;and this filth, this scum, these apeish subhuman objects of scorn and derision aim to participate in things ? with people ? form communities ? have a voice ?
1495417;1467511227;mircea_popescu;holy shit on a stick NO. just NO.
1495418;1467511360;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Anyways if you use sharbites (even if you decide to use legacy copper theft bait) the entire spectrum of expenses incurred by the plumbing profession is eliminated on the water supply side
1495419;1467511381;mircea_popescu;if he has to build a kitchen that's 30-40k ezy.
1495420;1467511388;asciilifeform;^
1495421;1467511418;BingoBoingo;Maybe if he wants some sort of decorator kitchen with appliances and bullshit
1495422;1467511432;BingoBoingo;What's wrong with white gas stove?
1495423;1467511569;mircea_popescu;eh, prolly starts with fixing the floor, an' the pipes and etc.
1495424;1467511586;mircea_popescu;the fact is, condemned property is usually more expensive to fix than greenfield development.
1495425;1467511592;asciilifeform;it wasn't condemned
1495426;1467511599;asciilifeform;new roof and approved by city for sale.
1495427;1467511610;asciilifeform;$16k.
1495428;1467511612;mircea_popescu;ah
1495429;1467511622;BingoBoingo;Are there termites y/n?
1495430;1467511630;asciilifeform;surprisingly, no visible vermin
1495431;1467511639;asciilifeform;possibly because no human habitation since '90s
1495432;1467511640;mircea_popescu;still, it's a profession. job like this undertook by innocent party can easily cost 10x more than commercial value.
1495433;1467511653;BingoBoingo;Stab any structural members with a screwdriver to be sure no vermin?
1495434;1467511732;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Still a profession of drains, but the push-to-connect fittings are pretty much it for anyone who can measure, cut, and deburr pipe.
1495435;1467511759;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised.
1495436;1467511778;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/873d0b0e13.jpg << kitchen. (more pics later.)
1495437;1467511804;mircea_popescu;lol he moved off imgur
1495438;1467511804;asciilifeform;on the left hand side: sink trap, yes.
1495439;1467511818;asciilifeform;tired of the ad bar
1495440;1467511828;asciilifeform;but this crapola ain't ever going on my actual blog.
1495441;1467511836;mircea_popescu;why not?
1495442;1467511846;mircea_popescu;jesus
1495443;1467511852;asciilifeform;and i'm not wholly convinced that it isn't a waste of bandwidth, srsly
1495444;1467511895;BingoBoingo;does that drain convey water down? if yes the expensive part of your one sink is done!
1495445;1467511896;trinque;"this is not my real self"
1495446;1467511899;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/8744fd6ac2.jpg << bedroom.
1495447;1467511901;trinque;:D
1495448;1467511905;asciilifeform;trinque: my blog has an actual subj.
1495449;1467511919;trinque;just fucking around man
1495450;1467511919;mircea_popescu;this notion, "Blog has subj" is the fucking mind eater.
1495451;1467511923;mircea_popescu;it's ~YOUR~ blog.
1495452;1467511933;mircea_popescu;it's not "a sort of book".
1495453;1467511935;BingoBoingo;1 can of expanding foam, wall insulated
1495454;1467511955;trinque;"I the eater of computer worlds one day saw this shithole" .jpg
1495455;1467511963;trinque;nothing wrong with that
1495456;1467511981;mircea_popescu;trinque well, he does have more blog than you :D
1495457;1467511982;BingoBoingo;trinque: Also those articles are good for actual SEO
1495458;1467511989;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/874a35e17c.jpg << a craaaaaazi game of poaaaakah!!1 i lost it all!111ilost it all
1495459;1467512005;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/874a3eee3e.jpg << rrrrring. it's for you.
1495460;1467512017;asciilifeform;^ yes, hard-wired to the house. hence still in the rubble.
1495461;1467512020;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah but. but!
1495462;1467512050;trinque;asciilifeform: this half demo'd?
1495463;1467512056;asciilifeform;nope.
1495464;1467512057;asciilifeform;new roof.
1495465;1467512065;trinque;o good. lol
1495466;1467512076;BingoBoingo;Sell phone on ebay, buy one GFCI outlet with proceeds
1495467;1467512081;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/874f207a2b.jpg << shitter.
1495468;1467512105;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/8751feb135.jpg << neighbour.
1495469;1467512116;BingoBoingo;Intact
1495470;1467512141;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/87542d9ea6.jpg << tub, with can of cat food.
1495471;1467512143;mats;mircea_popescu: submitted
1495472;1467512144;BingoBoingo;Your sign "I have less than him here, your move"
1495473;1467512164;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/8755d5b992.jpg << where they eat.
1495474;1467512177;mircea_popescu;ty mats
1495475;1467512199;trinque;ATM 15.0 ... wtf
1495476;1467512206;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/87582032d9.jpg << moar tuna than you will ever see in one place.
1495477;1467512247;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/875ad96a52.jpg << room-temperature meat thing.
1495478;1467512257;BingoBoingo;Y you no want to live with catfolk?
1495479;1467512303;asciilifeform;https://i.imgsafe.org/875dac0d89.jpg << gigantic castle-like thing on the horizon, with trees growing through the roof.
1495480;1467512306;asciilifeform;abandoned eons ago.
1495481;1467512336;mircea_popescu;88cents a can ?
1495482;1467512339;asciilifeform;aha.
1495483;1467512345;asciilifeform;anyway this ought to suffice as a general picture.
1495484;1467512353;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Why did you not tour Castle?!
1495485;1467512364;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: it wasn't for sale.
1495486;1467512373;asciilifeform;and prolly exceeds what my organs are worth, at any rate
1495487;1467512392;asciilifeform;perhaps it could be mircea_popescu's castle of doom
1495488;1467512394;mats;it appears judgepedia has a better idea of how many federal magistrates there are than the website of the Federal Judicial Center
1495489;1467512397;asciilifeform;has own crematorium even
1495490;1467512399;mircea_popescu;lol thestringpuller been a busy little blogger lately has he
1495491;1467512417;mircea_popescu;mats howso ?
1495492;1467512422;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He's still not doing it every day, but is getting better at it.
1495493;1467512433;mircea_popescu;word.
1495494;1467512448;BingoBoingo;http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infhomesale/infhomerehab.html
1495495;1467512483;mats;actually, never mind
1495496;1467512487;*;adlai misread "microwavable douche" <<< http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495477
1495497;1467512487;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:17 asciilifeform: https://i.imgsafe.org/875ad96a52.jpg << room-temperature meat thing.
1495498;1467512493;mats;i was looking at the wrong comment in the thread
1495499;1467513004;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: this thing was in the middle of ladond's red zone map
1495500;1467513040;asciilifeform;and pretty much everything he wrote, as far as i could discern, was true.
1495501;1467513065;asciilifeform;i especially liked this kind of motorcycle that the local orcs ride, it looks like it is made for a boy, their arses just nearly touch the ground !
1495502;1467513077;asciilifeform;whole thing is maybe as tall as a chair's seat !
1495503;1467513085;BingoBoingo;lol
1495504;1467513143;asciilifeform;they were tiny, truly, could fit in a car's boot
1495505;1467513189;asciilifeform;oddly enough there were many white folk
1495506;1467513196;asciilifeform;but they had a certain peculiar appearance about them
1495507;1467513204;asciilifeform;haggard, if you will
1495508;1467513216;asciilifeform;possibly moved from the 'trailer parks' to the cheap row houses
1495509;1467513351;mats;the nice thing about alf is that he's an equal opportunity racist
1495510;1467513425;*;asciilifeform hates everybody but the catfolk
1495511;1467513425;mats;i was just thinking about the bug men comment from earlier (no i don't take it personally)
1495512;1467513451;mats;people smell funny
1495513;1467513479;asciilifeform;funnily enough, i liked the orcs.
1495514;1467513486;asciilifeform;they did not bother me.
1495515;1467513489;asciilifeform;(why? i dunno)
1495516;1467513502;mats;do you dress like you're poor?
1495517;1467513518;asciilifeform;i dressed in ordinary civilian clothing.
1495518;1467513899;mats;on a different subject, i admit i have trouble imagining how to make uci useful
1495519;1467513987;trinque;orcs have no pretense to being something better
1495520;1467513998;trinque;everyone else in US.. does.
1495521;1467514002;mats;the plan is to run it on bare metal, isn't it? doesn't that end up being pretty expensive?
1495522;1467514028;trinque;same reason I don't mind rednecks
1495523;1467514095;mats;what kinda services are going to be involved that it'd be profitable to operate the infrastructure and build the code in the first place
1495524;1467514286;trinque;would anyone pay for a reliable way to ensure bitcoin txn are broadcast widely?
1495525;1467514299;trinque;that one seems obvious
1495526;1467514934;asciilifeform;http://www.jameslafond.com/btg/inspiration.jpg << house was ~at 'death'
1495527;1467516078;trinque;j/i
1495528;1467516081;trinque;aw crap.
1495529;1467516492;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495509 <<< ahahaha
1495530;1467516493;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:35 mats: the nice thing about alf is that he's an equal opportunity racist
1495531;1467516617;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495511 << hm, i parsed that in the sense of orwell's "bug men". you think he meant azns ?
1495532;1467516617;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:37 mats: i was just thinking about the bug men comment from earlier (no i don't take it personally)
1495533;1467516683;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495521 << not sure what you mean ?
1495534;1467516683;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:46 mats: the plan is to run it on bare metal, isn't it? doesn't that end up being pretty expensive?
1495535;1467516772;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-06#1190095 << these.
1495536;1467516772;a111;Logged on 2015-07-06 20:54 mircea_popescu: which is why no cows, no trees, everyone on tatamis
1495537;1467516784;asciilifeform;life as anthill.
1495538;1467516860;mircea_popescu;hm
1495539;1467517225;mircea_popescu;ftr : to force google to use the fucking sane index as opposed to "localized" and other bullshit, google.com/ncr
1495540;1467517364;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/Ripple/ << in other ethereum news. the previous incarnation, that was going to "take over" 2013-2014, is so fucking hot right now a two week suck-up is front page news still.
1495541;1467518259;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, that would have been quite the ambitious remodel to say the least.
1495542;1467522813;*;ben_vulpes will be attempting something like that next move in all likelihood
1495543;1467523457;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Are you in the camp of fixing putting in essentials and being cool with not doing everything at once, or are you in camp alf who want to turn ghetto dirigible into yet another suburan cookie cutter thing.
1495544;1467524652;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: my style of remodeling is to install the range and hood and for baby doll to apply finish and molding as nursing cooking laundry and meal planning afford time
1495545;1467524675;BingoBoingo;aha
1495546;1467524699;ben_vulpes;upper body work for those with upper body strength, finishing work for those who want things pretty.
1495547;1467525222;mircea_popescu;sounds like what made america great.
1495548;1467525383;BingoBoingo;No leaks in the plumbing, no arcs in the wiring, and you're good
1495549;1467525607;ben_vulpes;p. low bar
1495550;1467526526;BingoBoingo;High bar for camping tho
1495551;1467530798;deedbot;[Trilema] Why is that ? - http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/
1495552;1467553997;mats;mircea_popescu: I was thinking of this http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477296
1495553;1467553997;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 13:40 asciilifeform: 'civilization' yields bug-men and cn has 5000 yrs of practice, while white man is a n00b.
1495554;1467554171;mats;mircea_popescu: bare metal as in, a server intended for a single tenant, in contrast to 'cloud'
1495555;1467556361;trinque;mats: seems moar like you'd pay per request of whatever is offered through the UCI
1495556;1467556371;trinque;I'm thinking of it like "pay for access to API"
1495557;1467556404;trinque;whether that's me advocating what I want or describing what's been said
1495558;1467556406;*;trinque shrugs
1495559;1467557868;mircea_popescu;mats myeah. the european notion of china is still very much a sort of "empire of cockroach". absurd yet perennial.
1495560;1467557937;mircea_popescu;mats no, the unobvious part in all that is, i suppose for lack of vocal underlining, the owner. in the uci model, any individual piece of hardware has one owner, who makes it available through the uci, sets the prices, etc ; and some tenants.
1495561;1467557959;mircea_popescu;trinque no, it's pretty close, a sort of universal api for computers.
1495562;1467558022;asciilifeform;re china, lulzy : http://lithub.com/modern-china-is-so-crazy-it-needs-a-new-literary-genre
1495563;1467558050;asciilifeform;'Early in 2015, a department head at the National Development and Reform Commission was investigated for corruption. In his apartment they found more cash than they could count by hand. They got currency-counting machines so they could zip right through the counting, but they burned out four of the machines before they got a final tally, which was more than 200 million Renminbi, which is about 31 million US dollars.'
1495564;1467558059;asciilifeform;'Second example. Guo Boxiong is a retired general in the People’s Liberation Army. When Guo was investigated for corruption, they found so much cash in his home that they couldn’t even try to count it with a currency-counting machine. They had to weigh it by the ton. They needed a truck to haul it all away.'
1495565;1467558103;mats;should've bought some buttcoins
1495566;1467558104;asciilifeform;reminds me of mavrody's 'mmm' chumpatron
1495567;1467558111;asciilifeform;where they ran out of where to put the dough
1495568;1467558491;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495543 << insisting on working kitchen, so that i can eat food, and working climate machinery, so my five figs of b00kz dun rot, is 'suburban cookie cutter'? lolk.
1495569;1467558491;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 05:24 BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Are you in the camp of fixing putting in essentials and being cool with not doing everything at once, or are you in camp alf who want to turn ghetto dirigible into yet another suburan cookie cutter thing.
1495570;1467558684;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495502 << continuing re the motorcycles, after reading some moar lafond, i realized why i've never seen them elsewhere: they aren't street-legal in usa - no tags, no lights
1495571;1467558684;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:31 asciilifeform: whole thing is maybe as tall as a chair's seat !
1495572;1467558779;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495542 << ben_vulpes could literally buy entire street in bmore for what he is almost certainly paying in the white man's land
1495573;1467558779;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 05:13 ben_vulpes will be attempting something like that next move in all likelihood
1495574;1467558806;phf;you get complete climate control with a combination of dehumidifier, window ac unit and an air purifier, which you can scale as needed. extra ac in bedroom, extra dehumidifier in bathroom, etc.
1495575;1467558850;phf;i suspect it's a dodgy proposition in the death area, because someone will definitely try and steal AC out of your window
1495576;1467558856;asciilifeform;this also.
1495577;1467558868;phf;(that's why you sometimes see cages shaped to window and ac)
1495578;1467558870;asciilifeform;but also that if you add it all up, it begins to resemble the cost of 'actual' house.
1495579;1467558888;asciilifeform;which makes the entire project wholly uninteresting.
1495580;1467558889;phf;well, i've added it all up, and it doesn't ever
1495581;1467558911;asciilifeform;for reference, 'actual house' in bmore is about 100k.
1495582;1467558931;asciilifeform;(of same type as the pictured one, but in working condition)
1495583;1467558946;phf;yes, and necessary parts for kitchen/climate control will run you 2-3k
1495584;1467558953;asciilifeform;LABOUR
1495585;1467558955;asciilifeform;not parts.
1495586;1467558977;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#comment-117906 << i just produced a proper definition of slave empire! formal and all!
1495587;1467559149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: link in the comment is broken
1495588;1467559161;mircea_popescu;fixing.
1495589;1467559233;mircea_popescu;thar
1495590;1467559246;asciilifeform;nope
1495591;1467559249;asciilifeform;still not clickable
1495592;1467559320;mircea_popescu;grh
1495593;1467559338;phf;asciilifeform: oh you're not thinking of installing those things yourself?
1495594;1467559342;mircea_popescu;did you reload the page or something ? i can click it.
1495595;1467559360;asciilifeform;reloaded. same.
1495596;1467559368;mircea_popescu;what the shit.
1495597;1467559392;phf;mircea_popescu: "<a hrerf=..."
1495598;1467559407;asciilifeform;phf: it is possible to install wiring yourself, yes. but the house will not be sellable unless you are licensed electrician.
1495599;1467559416;asciilifeform;this may or may not also apply to plumbing in that city.
1495600;1467559442;phf;i thought goal was zero rent, rather then resale value?
1495601;1467559451;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/cXrc0 << somehow clickable there.
1495602;1467559467;mircea_popescu;ahahaha what.
1495603;1467559477;asciilifeform;phf: the goal is to not also have an albatross.
1495604;1467559483;mircea_popescu;phf no ?
1495605;1467559486;asciilifeform;quite aside from all other goals.
1495606;1467559503;*;phf gives up
1495607;1467559510;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not clickable.
1495608;1467559528;phf;mircea_popescu: A _HRERF_
1495609;1467559530;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu must be using a 'postel's law' - 'attempt to transform barf into html' browser.
1495610;1467559555;asciilifeform;i'm about to ~hrerf~
1495611;1467559557;asciilifeform;srsly
1495612;1467559620;mircea_popescu;hm
1495613;1467559636;mircea_popescu;o wait, i was fixing another one :D
1495614;1467559641;mircea_popescu;sorry guise.
1495615;1467559811;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495562 << and the literary genre in question is "the us is so assburgerdly fucktarded it is its own, if marginal, genre fiction."
1495616;1467559811;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 15:00 asciilifeform: re china, lulzy : http://lithub.com/modern-china-is-so-crazy-it-needs-a-new-literary-genre
1495617;1467559818;mircea_popescu;meanwhile rest of world continues, disinterestedly.
1495618;1467559892;mircea_popescu;get a load of these schmucks. step 1 : pretend inept, boring shit like "star trek" and "the assvengers" is fiction. step 2 : pretend even more inept, boring shit like "star trek 8" and "assvengers 7.3" is ALL THE POSSIBLE FICTION. step 3. pretend like the ~everyone who never gave a shit about the little island of crazy "needs a new something or the other".
1495619;1467559921;mircea_popescu;i suppose mormon smith imagined europe needs "a new kind of mormon bible". you know, the one they've had for about 2k years.
1495620;1467560329;mircea_popescu;;;seen Framedragger_
1495621;1467560330;gribble;I have not seen Framedragger_.
1495622;1467560333;mircea_popescu;;;seen Framedragger
1495623;1467560334;gribble;Framedragger was last seen in #trilema 4 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Framedragger> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492083 << out of loop; soo, many awesome bitcoin nodes actually run on the same host? kinda hilarious / sad
1495624;1467560410;mircea_popescu;trinque can has $seen ?
1495625;1467560516;mircea_popescu;or hm, prolly should properly ask of phf, actually.
1495626;1467561697;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495567 << regarding this from a purely engineering perspective, what better proof that government fucked up with the printer, than when there's more dough THAN WHERE TO PUT IT
1495627;1467561697;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 15:01 asciilifeform: where they ran out of where to put the dough
1495628;1467561726;mircea_popescu;now you know where Guo Boxiong's truckful comes from. it's a dropplet of the rain falling on all things from the comrade xi's fountain.
1495629;1467561751;asciilifeform;eh, the american variant (where sc4mz0rz stow imaginary printolade in faux 'havens', where their accounts get promptly zeroed out upon discovery) is scarcely an improvement
1495630;1467561781;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495574 << omg window ac units suck wtf.
1495631;1467561781;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 15:13 phf: you get complete climate control with a combination of dehumidifier, window ac unit and an air purifier, which you can scale as needed. extra ac in bedroom, extra dehumidifier in bathroom, etc.
1495632;1467561793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is an improvement for the trees!
1495633;1467561814;asciilifeform;window ac sucks mightily. but perhaps 1% of houses in bmore have modern central air.
1495634;1467561837;mircea_popescu;there's a space between "window ac" and "central air". you can get a proper split unit installed.
1495635;1467561843;asciilifeform;incidentally an ac buildout needs a licensed freonist in usa to be street-legal.
1495636;1467561864;asciilifeform;what's a split unit ?
1495637;1467561866;mircea_popescu;just thinking about "window ac", wtf is this "feel good" nonsense. it clearly doesn't solve the problem, it just what, gives you the impression of a cool breeze ?
1495638;1467561886;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a split unit is this thing where the compressor and hot phase sit outside, for instance on roof, and cold head inside.
1495639;1467561892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: window ac is actual ac. just clunky. my first flat was inhabitable solely on account of one single window ac.
1495640;1467561904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that ~is~ called central air, where i live.
1495641;1467561906;mircea_popescu;unlike central air, you move freon gas around rather than air. so no huge tubage.
1495642;1467561920;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, central air is when you have a huge tube and the conditioning happens entirely outside.
1495643;1467561933;asciilifeform;it NEVER happens 'entirely outside' ! wtf
1495644;1467561942;asciilifeform;only compressor ever lives outdoors.
1495645;1467561943;mircea_popescu;usually done for warehouses (originally, a thing from positive pressure clean rooms)
1495646;1467561964;mircea_popescu;but also done for condos here and there.
1495647;1467561977;asciilifeform;at any rate, ~any~ freon plumbing --> $$$$
1495648;1467561984;mircea_popescu;sure.
1495649;1467561990;asciilifeform;hence window boxes, where the hot end hangs out and cold end blows in.
1495650;1467561998;asciilifeform;ruinously inefficient on account of their proximity.
1495651;1467562008;mircea_popescu;yep. and on account of wtf, window, srsly ?
1495652;1467562023;asciilifeform;yes window. the only usable opening.
1495653;1467562029;asciilifeform;and installable in 5 minutes.
1495654;1467562048;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i dunno that i loathe anything us as much as THE MOTHERFUCKING WINDOWS.
1495655;1467562059;mircea_popescu;they have these tiny shits, more insult than window. and then IT ONLY OPENS HALFWAY.
1495656;1467562067;asciilifeform;there are perhaps 3 or 4 separate circles of hell in usa re windows.
1495657;1467562071;mircea_popescu;bitch, i grew up in a land where the window is an entire wall and it opens out all the way
1495658;1467562127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: photo ?
1495659;1467562142;mircea_popescu;uh.
1495660;1467562282;mircea_popescu;i dunno, stuff like http://www.ferestrepvc.md/ro/blog/preturi-modele-la-ferestre-si-usi-termopan-pvc-metaloplast-in-rep-moldova-chisinau ?
1495661;1467562290;mircea_popescu;obviously not the historical window in question.
1495662;1467562300;asciilifeform;ah hm
1495663;1467562306;mircea_popescu;for one thing, they were wood rather than plastic frame then
1495664;1467562312;asciilifeform;in usa this also exists, typically doubles as the back door of a house.
1495665;1467562320;asciilifeform;favourite place for burglar.
1495666;1467562339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usually this is done for the 2 rooms (of 4) that have "a balcony"
1495667;1467562351;asciilifeform;aha, same here.
1495668;1467562356;mircea_popescu;it's a 20sqft slab whose main purpose is to allow the master bedroom to have proper windows.
1495669;1467562373;asciilifeform;quite typical in posh flats in usa.
1495670;1467562383;asciilifeform;quite impractical in ground-level dwelling.
1495671;1467562388;mircea_popescu;as opposed to http://www.crl-arch.com/Images/systems/us_alum/hurricane_resistant/iw8000/iw8000_hurricane_window_1.png inept bullshit.
1495672;1467562415;asciilifeform;^ these are sop pretty much everywhere there is a window.
1495673;1467562427;mircea_popescu;yes, and it makes me want to put the drink down and leave.
1495674;1467562430;mircea_popescu;we'll fuck in the park.
1495675;1467562432;asciilifeform;the glass is double-layered and there is typically inert gas inside.
1495676;1467562441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform same for the ones i linked. of course.
1495677;1467562443;mircea_popescu;"termopan"
1495678;1467562483;asciilifeform;but yes, miniscule windows are mark of poverty, now just as in 16th c.
1495679;1467562501;asciilifeform;older american dwellings have titanic windows.
1495680;1467562505;mircea_popescu;ttp://calculator.fereastracora.ro/calcul-pret-termopan
1495681;1467562509;mircea_popescu;such poverty.
1495682;1467562654;*;mircea_popescu just did the calc, ~800 bucks for 3.55 x 2.0 meter window, 24mm float glass x2 with argon filling.
1495683;1467562667;asciilifeform;no, no
1495684;1467562670;asciilifeform;the thermal cost.
1495685;1467562677;asciilifeform;amortized over the life of the house.
1495686;1467562681;mircea_popescu;lower than concrete wall.
1495687;1467562692;asciilifeform;american house has no concrete wall
1495688;1467562693;mircea_popescu;this window insulates better than anything full brick or below.
1495689;1467562698;asciilifeform;it has hollow wooden thing with fiberglass.
1495690;1467562708;*;mircea_popescu shurgs so run a miner.
1495691;1467562728;asciilifeform;how does that help in the summertime ?
1495692;1467562738;asciilifeform;recall, shit-climate, cold winter, swamp summer
1495693;1467562748;asciilifeform;'white man was not meant to live here'
1495694;1467562754;mircea_popescu;for srs
1495695;1467562768;asciilifeform;ergo tiny portholes instead of windows. and the other joys.
1495696;1467562815;mircea_popescu;such, such were the joys.
1495697;1467562982;mircea_popescu;incidentally asciilifeform anyone bothered to run the "fire hazard cost" "amortized over lifetime of house" for the shitty wood-glass napalm mix ?
1495698;1467562994;mircea_popescu;or for that matter the disadvantage of porthole + neon light "for energy efficiency" ?
1495699;1467563017;asciilifeform;what do you think.
1495700;1467563019;mircea_popescu;since we're doing externalities, let's do the whole shebang, not like i'm a fucking redskin and the oh-so-clever ustard is going to get to count MY externalities and just mine.
1495701;1467563025;asciilifeform;incidentally the bmore house had massive skylights.
1495702;1467563033;mircea_popescu;so let's hear it, brick and termopan window vs vinyl siding and shit on a stick.
1495703;1467563035;asciilifeform;it was astonishing, no mains current, and ~whole place was lit!1
1495704;1467563045;asciilifeform;i was floored.
1495705;1467563051;mircea_popescu;will end up costing 100x more before i even get my sleeves pulled up.
1495706;1467563058;asciilifeform;i brought a miner's head lamp with me, and scarcely had to use it, except in the cellar.
1495707;1467563108;asciilifeform;nobody counts fire hazard costs.
1495708;1467563116;mircea_popescu;"nobody". the usg doesn't. i do.
1495709;1467563118;asciilifeform;poor schmuck burns down, another will come in his place.
1495710;1467563125;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the usg counts "corruption" against me. i don't.
1495711;1467563136;mircea_popescu;it's a war, after all. i count their "innocent victims" even as they count mine.
1495712;1467563159;asciilifeform;i was speaking from the pov of the gosplan folk who designed this crapolade
1495713;1467563163;asciilifeform;the cardboard houses and all.
1495714;1467563177;asciilifeform;and one of the appealing things re the bmore structures was that they were from a previous age
1495715;1467563185;asciilifeform;and actually made of things like brick and lath-n-plaster
1495716;1467563198;mircea_popescu;yep. kinda what's driving the entire resettling of the injuns.
1495717;1467563199;asciilifeform;built in 1920s at the latest.
1495718;1467563206;mircea_popescu;people want the houses of the grandfathers back, can't built them anymore.
1495719;1467563239;mircea_popescu;apparently, they want them back so bad, it's even worth destroying the police over it.
1495720;1467563280;mircea_popescu;(yes, the deep reason amored truck is "needed" is exactly this : moving the injuns around will require some caterpillaring.)
1495721;1467563299;asciilifeform;i saw 0 tanks in black bmore.
1495722;1467563306;asciilifeform;they are used to keep it out of the white cardboard.
1495723;1467563320;mircea_popescu;to slowly resettle it out of historic east coast districts.
1495724;1467563326;mircea_popescu;which they infested in the 60s/70s.
1495725;1467563349;asciilifeform;i dun see it.
1495726;1467563356;asciilifeform;nobody's squeezing those folk out.
1495727;1467563383;asciilifeform;though, interestingly, i did see a freshly-built block of cardboard condos right in the middle of the red zone. empty.
1495728;1467563389;asciilifeform;just like the ones near where i live.
1495729;1467563405;asciilifeform;they are built by the thousands as a straight scam of the banks on themselves.
1495730;1467563438;mircea_popescu;aha
1495731;1467564027;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495657 << i have that one, it's available here, but premium feature. the kind of stuff you see on those "rich people in new york apartments" photos
1495732;1467564027;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 16:07 mircea_popescu: bitch, i grew up in a land where the window is an entire wall and it opens out all the way
1495733;1467564065;phf;but have that at the expense of builtin "carpet" in bedroom
1495734;1467564085;phf;it seems like they can't quite get it right here
1495735;1467564385;*;ben_vulpes had that while attending uni. 8th floor, poured concrete building, enough ac to make nipples pop, gas fireplace but *electric range*
1495736;1467564395;ben_vulpes;they cannot get it right here.
1495737;1467564410;asciilifeform;fireplace?!
1495738;1467564418;ben_vulpes;(swimming pool! parking garage! 1100/mo for ~750 ft2 and 2 br and 1.5 bath!)
1495739;1467564435;*;asciilifeform at a loss for words
1495740;1467564440;ben_vulpes;'fireplace'
1495741;1467564448;ben_vulpes;$newbox has one too
1495742;1467564453;ben_vulpes;but also -- electric range.
1495743;1467564454;*;ben_vulpes wtfs
1495744;1467564518;mircea_popescu;phf builtin carpet is a misery anyway.
1495745;1467564537;mircea_popescu;parquet, area carpets, women with carpet beaters a few times a year.
1495746;1467564581;ben_vulpes;never vacuum the kilim
1495747;1467564606;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes electric range ? wtf is a range ?
1495748;1467564607;asciilifeform;american 'carpet' is a horror
1495749;1467564617;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'stove'
1495750;1467564620;asciilifeform;the main perk of my current dwelling was its absence.
1495751;1467564640;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform irani imports, "persian carpets" in romania. the shit that was common middle class in my parents' house and is now untold luxury omfg.
1495752;1467564645;mircea_popescu;did we live through ww3 and nobody noticed ?
1495753;1467564655;*;ben_vulpes has several of these
1495754;1467564678;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes if memory serves, they cost ~2-3k a pop, which is to say about the same as a hundred vinyls or so.
1495755;1467564690;ben_vulpes;i get the ~40 yo ones, only ~1k
1495756;1467564690;mircea_popescu;~month's pay
1495757;1467564710;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes in dollars it'd have been maybe 30 lol.
1495758;1467564715;ben_vulpes;wat
1495759;1467564718;mircea_popescu;oya
1495760;1467564725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re persian carpets, recall that we also had sturgeon caviar.
1495761;1467564730;mircea_popescu;aha.
1495762;1467564738;*;mircea_popescu didn't6 like it.
1495763;1467564749;asciilifeform;and that in usa it is roughly same, by mass, as eating pentium-iv's.
1495764;1467564754;mircea_popescu;aha
1495765;1467564755;*;asciilifeform like it
1495766;1467564798;mircea_popescu;well, kids taste
1495767;1467564810;mircea_popescu;i also hated eucalyptus
1495768;1467564876;asciilifeform;my point was that much of what was ordinary or even commonplace then, is scarce and precious now
1495769;1467564884;asciilifeform;as result of the march to ant-civilization.
1495770;1467564905;asciilifeform;from mircea_popescu's felt top hat to the bmore brick house.
1495771;1467564918;mircea_popescu;aha.
1495772;1467564924;phf;black caviar at local ru store is like $100 for couple of grams
1495773;1467564928;asciilifeform;aha.
1495774;1467564933;asciilifeform;from sturgeon caviar to cars made of actual iron
1495775;1467564946;asciilifeform;phf: i found it interesting that EVERY ru store in dc area stocks it
1495776;1467564955;asciilifeform;folks buy to celebrate something, remember old civilized times
1495777;1467564960;mircea_popescu;well, i imagine half their patrons are riggers.
1495778;1467564965;mircea_popescu;you know, like wiggers but russian
1495779;1467564970;phf;also i looked at the apartment in philadelphia that had wall window for the street side room, 14'' ceilings, hardwood floor everywhere. was built end of 19th century. and of course the rent goes exponential. instead of $1000 that was sop for the size, it was something like $2500
1495780;1467565022;mircea_popescu;phf but for the floors, this is actually what the smart "fixers" do.
1495781;1467565062;mircea_popescu;high end stuff such as oak (we didn't count oak parquet as anything. we did peach, and cherry, and nut tree for the up end) costs to put in 1/5 of what it gets priced in as.
1495782;1467565082;mircea_popescu;so they'd blow up a ceiling in the entryway to make the house "look" tall, and so on.
1495783;1467565369;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> what's a split unit ? << motel wall unit. Pretty good actually for previously unconditioned spaces.
1495784;1467565371;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495572 << which reminds me of this girl i knew back in romania, whose grandfather had bought her uncle an entire street as a 18yo present.
1495785;1467565371;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 15:12 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495542 << ben_vulpes could literally buy entire street in bmore for what he is almost certainly paying in the white man's land
1495786;1467565375;mircea_popescu;things... didn't go well for them.
1495787;1467565390;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo aha.
1495788;1467565419;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didn't go well how
1495789;1467565423;phf;makes sense, though i suspect particular house was untouched, or touched up anyway. reminded me of some of the golden youth moscow apartments, thick beams of hardwood floor, tiny rooms with high ceilings, certain way the place smells
1495790;1467565455;asciilifeform;the smell! some of the bmore houses have it
1495791;1467565462;asciilifeform;it was quite astonishing.
1495792;1467565474;asciilifeform;prolly comes from civilization-era construction material.
1495793;1467565520;asciilifeform;shit-age houses, just like shit-age b00kz, have 0 smell, or unpleasant faint petro smell.
1495794;1467565575;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, jews from bukovina. first pass, the nazis. 2nd pass, the russians
1495795;1467565579;mircea_popescu;then communism...
1495796;1467565616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect you detect turpentine.
1495797;1467565645;mircea_popescu;(~distilled pine resin)
1495798;1467565728;asciilifeform;where? in the new houses ?
1495799;1467565743;BingoBoingo;A<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo aha. << Actually I was thinking mini-split. But yes "central air" in US residential use almost always means a split system.
1495800;1467565761;mircea_popescu;in the old.
1495801;1467565763;mircea_popescu;neh ?
1495802;1467565804;BingoBoingo;Anyways cutting a hole in brick to install mini-split in book room is nbd, just use a sawzall
1495803;1467565859;phf;tmsr's own S.GCON
1495804;1467565862;mircea_popescu;http://environmentalairsystems.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/100_0571.jpg << central air. here depicted, cheapskate marginal unit with flexible tubage. proper units have rigid tubes, do air purifying etc at intake point, force air through tubes.
1495805;1467565884;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo even easier in autoclaved cellular concrete, w/e they call it in anglolands
1495806;1467565894;BingoBoingo;AHA!
1495807;1467565902;mircea_popescu;can use tootpick
1495808;1467566044;asciilifeform;lel for a second i thought mircea_popescu dug up the photo of asciilifeform's attic posted last year !!
1495809;1467566052;asciilifeform;it looks almost exactly like this.
1495810;1467566056;mircea_popescu;lol na
1495811;1467566058;asciilifeform;$s from:asciilifeform attic
1495812;1467566058;a111;8 results for "from:asciilifeform attic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20attic
1495813;1467566326;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495583 << i would like to see your calculation, because actual experience contradicts it something sad.
1495814;1467566326;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 15:15 phf: yes, and necessary parts for kitchen/climate control will run you 2-3k
1495815;1467566327;mircea_popescu;just proper fridge (1k at the very least) ; proper stove (about 500, fittings et all) ; dishwasher (another 500) touches your 2k. this includes no cabinets or other furniture, no retiling the walls, no holy shit expenses such as redoing the floor, fixing holes in walls or adding a section of roof etc.
1495816;1467566364;asciilifeform;nor rubbish removal
1495817;1467566369;mircea_popescu;and this is with free female labour to paint walls and scrub surfaces clean, and with paint, solvent and detergent included in the figures for the items (which alsoinclude transport etc)
1495818;1467566371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have slaves.
1495819;1467566374;asciilifeform;not all of which can be done with own hands and simple equipment
1495820;1467566382;asciilifeform;do mircea_popescu's slaves have a duct cleaning machine handy ?
1495821;1467566398;mircea_popescu;last time i took over a place, ~50 girl-hours went into scrubbing surfaces.
1495822;1467566405;asciilifeform;it is typically a trailer-sized blower/vacuum
1495823;1467566412;asciilifeform;to remove rubbish from forced-air ducts
1495824;1467566415;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as i said, "no holy shit expenses"
1495825;1467566432;asciilifeform;scrubbing surfaces is something one can do, if pressed, personally.
1495826;1467566433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform cheapo scheme above, cheaper to replace the ducts.
1495827;1467566439;asciilifeform;l0l!!!
1495828;1467566440;asciilifeform;replace !?
1495829;1467566446;asciilifeform;tear up remaining walls, floors ?
1495830;1467566449;asciilifeform;havefun
1495831;1467566450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if pressed enough, can do with own face!
1495832;1467566475;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, depends. sometime "tear the whole shit down" is cheaper than fix. besides, if i'm going to pour concrete in my kitchen, i'd much rather pour the whole floor plane.
1495833;1467566480;asciilifeform;cheaper to dynamite the carcass and build new, than to replace plastered-in ducts.
1495834;1467566500;mircea_popescu;paster is fiddy bux the ton, neh ?
1495835;1467566501;asciilifeform;whole gedankenexperiment was predicated on 'fix carcass'
1495836;1467566508;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1495837;1467566510;asciilifeform;vs 'build house'
1495838;1467566545;ben_vulpes;'reanimate zombie'
1495839;1467566556;asciilifeform;the real estate agent, an old woman, send me long list of similar properties i could look at.
1495840;1467566560;mircea_popescu;anyway, "<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform cheapo scheme above, cheaper to replace the ducts." denotes that in the "central air" image i linked, the ducts exist in the attic as free standing tin foil. they're connected to a grate in the roof of rooms.
1495841;1467566562;asciilifeform;but i dunno if worth the bother.
1495842;1467566571;mircea_popescu;for THAT arrangement, new ducts will run you 3-400 bucks and you're done.
1495843;1467566573;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are such in the place i live now.
1495844;1467566580;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but not the bmore house's.
1495845;1467566583;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1495846;1467566762;phf;mircea_popescu: my calculations assume that you're not trying to move into up to standards place upfront. mircea_popescu: i'm thinking how much it takes to put it in a survival mode. fridge, stove and window AC, then you spend the next year working over the place on weekends. i had a few friends who did it that way, ended up with high resale value places when the area inevitably gentrified 10 years later
1495847;1467566822;phf;of course you have to actually be poor to do it that way
1495848;1467566943;asciilifeform;and yer time has to be worth ~0
1495849;1467566951;asciilifeform;for it to even begin to resemble making financial sense.
1495850;1467566962;asciilifeform;(either that or you have to ~like~ shoveling shit)
1495851;1467566962;phf;some people like to go about that way as an avocation
1495852;1467566987;asciilifeform;i suppose, the same folks who build ships in bottles
1495853;1467567019;phf;my time is expensive, but it's non linear. i can't be hacking 24/7, or parsing information, sometimes i need to build things out of wood to let brain reset
1495854;1467567052;*;asciilifeform likewise
1495855;1467567057;asciilifeform;which is why i contemplated the bmore thing
1495856;1467567068;asciilifeform;i like the idea of slowly building 'dirigible'
1495857;1467567207;mircea_popescu;phf so your survival mode includes what, food spoliage ? eating frozen dinners ?
1495858;1467567247;phf;no no fridge, stove and window AC as absolute minimum 
1495859;1467567256;mircea_popescu;aha
1495860;1467567319;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform like it or not, the time of about 1/4 of us female population IS worth 0.
1495861;1467567351;mircea_popescu;it's either "paiont and scrub this property" or else "go to school" / "look for a job" / ruin perfectly good food "cooking" and be bitchy about it.
1495862;1467567667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you familiar with the house structure as a cultural item in the middle east ?
1495863;1467567679;asciilifeform;hm?
1495864;1467567682;asciilifeform;probably not ?
1495865;1467567697;mircea_popescu;see, to you, or in general to white people of the tribe that invented houses, a house is a thing, a definite item.
1495866;1467567717;mircea_popescu;but to this dubious race of the east, a house is not a definite item. instead, it is a tower.
1495867;1467567724;asciilifeform;lemme guess, it is more of jet fighter to them
1495868;1467567728;mircea_popescu;the land surface of this tower reflects the importance of the clan inhabiting it.
1495869;1467567730;asciilifeform;~nothing without crew
1495870;1467567739;mircea_popescu;the height reflects the family fertility.
1495871;1467567764;mircea_popescu;so, they do not have rooves, per se. just an unfinished floor, which has a foot or two of pillar reinforced concrete, with the rebar exposed.
1495872;1467567780;asciilifeform;ah yeah those
1495873;1467567782;mircea_popescu;should any of the girls manage to get knocked up, the family is drafted to pour more concrete, make another "roof" ie floor, and fill brick in between
1495874;1467567789;asciilifeform;worx great in latitude without snow.
1495875;1467567791;asciilifeform;or much rain.
1495876;1467567795;mircea_popescu;yup. ie, middle east.
1495877;1467567819;mircea_popescu;the thing being, that you walk around the item and know the social rank of the inhabitants, and then look up and see the sluttery of the X chromosome baked in.
1495878;1467567864;mircea_popescu;for the anthropologist, god damned fascinating, they're like a family-sized snail building its conch.
1495879;1467567969;asciilifeform;makes sense.
1495880;1467567997;mircea_popescu;the question to you is, are you building a dirigible in the white man sense or in the sand nigger sense ?
1495881;1467568009;asciilifeform;the former.
1495882;1467568015;asciilifeform;i have 0 use for the latter.
1495883;1467568070;mircea_popescu;not altogether clear this can be done http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495856
1495884;1467568070;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 17:31 asciilifeform: i like the idea of slowly building 'dirigible'
1495885;1467568081;asciilifeform;well that was my tentative conclusion.
1495886;1467568091;asciilifeform;possibly it can be done, but ~not~ on shoestring budget.
1495887;1467568103;mircea_popescu;well, not on shoestring meat, in any case.
1495888;1467568129;mircea_popescu;there's ONE thing the middle eastern guy has that white man can't replicate, and that is, a stable, and here i kid you not, a stable, of dozen+ pliable obedient females WITH offspring.
1495889;1467568136;asciilifeform;meatrobots.
1495890;1467568137;asciilifeform;aha
1495891;1467568154;mircea_popescu;the reason white man doesn't build the middle eastern tower may be whatever you wish it to be.
1495892;1467568161;mircea_popescu;but from HIS perspective, it's that you can't afford the tools.
1495893;1467568197;asciilifeform;crashed pilot on pacific island, eating caterpillars, also lacks meat robots.
1495894;1467568213;mircea_popescu;i guesd
1495895;1467568224;asciilifeform;asciilifeform's position is considerably closer to that, than to the egyptian paterfamilias.
1495896;1467568231;mircea_popescu;note that you're drowning in cunt, meanwhile.
1495897;1467568236;mircea_popescu;so no, not island.
1495898;1467568248;asciilifeform;'water water everywhere, and still the boards did shrink'
1495899;1467568256;mircea_popescu;cairo, for the record, is a city ~the size of california.
1495900;1467568262;mircea_popescu;no joke. and yes, built and run like this.
1495901;1467568565;asciilifeform;army of meat robots may as well be cern's particle accelerator as far as i'm concerned.
1495902;1467568574;asciilifeform;not available, not gonna be available, not worth considering
1495903;1467568601;asciilifeform;not even certain that i would know how to operate it if it ~were~. etc.
1495904;1467568692;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> whole gedankenexperiment was predicated on 'fix carcass' << White gase camp stove is $50 to $350. There, kitchen.
1495905;1467568702;asciilifeform;maybe BingoBoingo's kitchen. not mine.
1495906;1467568707;asciilifeform;mine bakes cakes, etc.
1495907;1467568740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's exactly two ways to construct value into this world. one's to take the 1/4 * 350mn / 2 = 40 or so million currently useless refuse and turn them into women. even if you only manage a small %, it's still something. aka, uranium water filtering.
1495908;1467568783;mircea_popescu;the other's, in the words of that pawnbroker ( http://trilema.com/2015/the-pawnbroker/ ) jew,
1495909;1467568787;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> and yer time has to be worth ~0 << NO, it just has to be worth less than (tradeperson wage)/(2 or 3)
1495910;1467568808;mircea_popescu;"You people? Oh, let's see. Yeah. I see. I see, you... you want to learn the secret of our success, is that right? Alright I'll teach you. First of all you start off with a period of several thousand years, during which you have nothing to sustain you but a great bearded legend. Oh my friend you have no land to call your own, to grow food on or to hunt. You have nothing. You're never in one place long enough to have a geograp
1495911;1467568808;mircea_popescu;hy or an army or a land myth. All you have is a little brain. A little brain and a great bearded legend to sustain you and convince you that you are special, even in poverty. But this little brain, that's the real key you see. With this little brain you go out and you buy a piece of cloth and you cut that cloth in two and you go and sell it for a penny more than you paid for it. Then you run right out and buy another piece of
1495912;1467568811;mircea_popescu; cloth, cut it into three pieces and sell it for three pennies profit. But, my friend, during that time you must never succumb to buying an extra piece of bread for the table or a toy for a child, no. You must immediately run out and get yourself a still larger piece cloth and so you repeat this process over and over and suddenly you discover something. You have no longer any desire, any temptation to dig into the Earth to gr
1495913;1467568818;mircea_popescu;ow food or to gaze at a limitless land and call it your own, no, no. You just go on and on and on repeating this process over the centuries over and over and suddenly you make a grand discovery. You have a mercantile heritage! You are a merchant. You are known as a usurer, a man with secret resources, a witch, a pawnbroker, a sheenie, a makie and a kike! "
1495914;1467568823;mircea_popescu;the only question before you, mr alf-form, is : are you a jew ?
1495915;1467568862;asciilifeform;supposedly.
1495916;1467568871;mircea_popescu;well in that case.
1495917;1467568891;phf;:)
1495918;1467568926;mircea_popescu;film's definitely a must watch, in any case.
1495919;1467569026;mircea_popescu;$s makie maker
1495920;1467569027;a111;1 results for "makie maker", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=makie%20maker
1495921;1467569029;mircea_popescu;o i mean,
1495922;1467569032;mircea_popescu;$google makie maker
1495923;1467569035;deedbot;https://mymakie.com/makie/design/ << Makie Maker | Makies | https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/makies-fablab-design-create/id806174619?mt=8 << Makies FabLab: Design, Create & Style Doll Fashion Maker on the ... | https://mymakie.com/ << Makies - Create Your Own Doll! (US)
1495924;1467569041;mircea_popescu;apaprently, makie's fine!
1495925;1467569044;asciilifeform;dafuq
1495926;1467569060;mircea_popescu;it didn't luck out to be picked by the "identity politics" circus, so it's not an insult at all! fancy its luck.
1495927;1467569111;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, sand nigger is "intrinsically" insulting, dontchaknow.
1495928;1467569121;asciilifeform;anyway, asciilifeform is not a jew in the sense contemplated in the quote. this requires 'heritage' to stand on the shoulders off - uncles who will invest in your schemes, etc. -- but instead is more of crashed flyer.
1495929;1467569130;mircea_popescu;welllll then...
1495930;1467569133;asciilifeform;working with own hands.
1495931;1467569138;asciilifeform;(and 1 set of pet)
1495932;1467569141;mircea_popescu;so what, you're moses ?
1495933;1467569152;asciilifeform;whatchatalkingabout, moses had mega-meat-army
1495934;1467569159;mircea_popescu;only after.
1495935;1467569174;asciilifeform;before - it was army-in-being.
1495936;1467569185;mircea_popescu;seems to be the dream here - if i carve the right words into immutable functional space, mega meat army pops.
1495937;1467569202;asciilifeform;much more modestly.
1495938;1467569212;mircea_popescu;there are things upon which modesty is impossible.
1495939;1467569215;asciilifeform;testing hypothesis 'it is possible to build box to keep the rain out, with own hands and minimal expenditure'
1495940;1467569225;mircea_popescu;"modestly, m'lady, i just want my spunk coming out your nose, s'all."
1495941;1467569230;asciilifeform;y'know, the thing ~100% of our ancestors managed to do.
1495942;1467569240;mircea_popescu;no such wonder.
1495943;1467569246;mircea_popescu;no fucking ancestors built house for themselves.
1495944;1467569261;asciilifeform;plenty of folks did
1495945;1467569266;mircea_popescu;the ones like you, without uncle, fought hyena for cave. about as likely to "construct" cave as hyena.
1495946;1467569276;mircea_popescu;the ones like the jew, lived in house invested by uncle, see above re cairo.
1495947;1467569388;asciilifeform;at any rate, caterpillars are not find cuisine but that's what i'm gonna eat on this here island.
1495948;1467569392;asciilifeform;because what else.
1495949;1467569459;mircea_popescu;well, i'm nor one to ineptly suggest stuff. "Hey, you building house ? look into geodesic dome / $random crap!" because that's what i last read in Nature and i fancy myself a cultivated fellow.
1495950;1467569474;mircea_popescu;instead, i'm merely exploring the known, as found in this here endless library.
1495951;1467569483;mircea_popescu;perhaps it's useful, though i have no idea how it would be.
1495952;1467569486;mircea_popescu;that's your job.
1495953;1467569499;asciilifeform;hey i enjoyed experimental test for a change
1495954;1467569501;asciilifeform;vs armchair.
1495955;1467569521;mircea_popescu;you know what the next step is, right ?
1495956;1467569547;asciilifeform;hm?
1495957;1467569562;mircea_popescu;"bitch, get your ass to baltimore and don't come back until you've picked up a local."
1495958;1467569569;asciilifeform;ick
1495959;1467569583;mircea_popescu;this is why slavery doesn't work as an educational ploy without the whip.
1495960;1467569605;asciilifeform;why not send to fuck monkey in the zoo, also
1495961;1467569609;asciilifeform;and bear in the woods.
1495962;1467569622;asciilifeform;mega-project.
1495963;1467569646;mircea_popescu;it's not yours to question why.
1495964;1467569676;mircea_popescu;and importantly, pick up makes no specification re fuck.
1495965;1467569687;asciilifeform;wtf do i need the local fauna for.
1495966;1467569688;asciilifeform;srsly
1495967;1467569701;mircea_popescu;local fauna lives there, amirite ?
1495968;1467569717;asciilifeform;if you can call 'food depot' etc. living.
1495969;1467569722;mircea_popescu;do they or don't they ?
1495970;1467569726;asciilifeform;apparently
1495971;1467569740;mircea_popescu;and you wish to do the same. on your own terms, sure, but the point is - the same.
1495972;1467569755;mircea_popescu;gee whiz, what the fuck sense could it make to interact with the very subject of your interest!
1495973;1467569757;asciilifeform;when i go sailing i will be sure to also ask her to pick up some fish so we can learn from them how.
1495974;1467569763;mircea_popescu;aha. do so.
1495975;1467569767;mircea_popescu;da vinci also.
1495976;1467569773;asciilifeform;and learn to breathe water.
1495977;1467569774;asciilifeform;from them.
1495978;1467569786;asciilifeform;(notice i said 'go sailing' not 'build boat')
1495979;1467569817;asciilifeform;incidentally i factored in cost of NOT going to 'food depot' etc. and it is quite high.
1495980;1467569839;deedbot;[Qntra] US Plagued By Tainted Flour - http://qntra.net/2016/07/us-plagued-by-tainted-flour/
1495981;1467569870;asciilifeform;^ quite pertinent !!
1495982;1467569883;mircea_popescu;yeah you'll need cellar etc.
1495983;1467569900;mircea_popescu;but - on the upside, teach girl to cure meats etc, loads of fun uber valuable skills.
1495984;1467569913;asciilifeform;potentially.
1495985;1467569917;asciilifeform;cellar was not very large tho.
1495986;1467569951;mircea_popescu;in principle a household should be capable to intake 500 lbs of freshly slaugthered pig and craft it into food supplies worth ~1 1/4 mn delicious calories
1495987;1467569953;asciilifeform;whole experiment went precisely like my 'what would it take to launch a satellite' thing.
1495988;1467569987;asciilifeform;... conclusion being, ~other~ folks, with serious economic weight behind them, can and do indeed launch sats.
1495989;1467569989;asciilifeform;poorfags - not.
1495990;1467570010;mircea_popescu;what capital figure did you come up with as ther threshold ?
1495991;1467570030;asciilifeform;i could say a number but it will be misleading, for same reason as the private jet thread
1495992;1467570039;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1495993;1467570047;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486041 << it
1495994;1467570047;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 00:38 mircea_popescu: it's a "have a hundred slaves" machine.
1495995;1467570061;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486039
1495996;1467570061;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 00:38 mircea_popescu: in the sense a luxury car is "100k" or a cellphone "1500". yeah, right, read the maintenance contracts.
1495997;1467570062;mircea_popescu;well, let's have it, worry about that after.
1495998;1467570097;asciilifeform;again, the number is potentially $maxint, depending on how much of civilization you gotta rebuild in order to even play
1495999;1467570111;asciilifeform;because it isn't available 'retail'
1496000;1467570115;mircea_popescu;your experiment will have to be re-done.
1496001;1467570123;asciilifeform;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-29#1492732
1496002;1467570123;a111;Logged on 2016-06-29 15:39 mircea_popescu: no warehouse, no bauxite.
1496003;1467570201;asciilifeform;so for instance, upon first look it appears that 20-30mil u.s. will get you a simple 'bent pipe' launched into orbit, but then you notice that you gotta be in 3 different wots that asciilifeform isn't in.
1496004;1467570204;asciilifeform;and so forth.
1496005;1467570220;asciilifeform;and the cost of ~getting~ in, even if physically possible, is not calculable in any straight manner.
1496006;1467570240;asciilifeform;(what is the cost of becoming a circus acrobat?)
1496007;1467570251;mircea_popescu;i'd say high six figures in actual, liquid capital, should be sufficient. that's ~1k btc atm.
1496008;1467570268;asciilifeform;high six figures + being mircea_popescu
1496009;1467570271;asciilifeform;probably would work
1496010;1467570277;asciilifeform;high six figures and being a rube ?
1496011;1467570283;asciilifeform;just makes a dead rube
1496012;1467570286;mircea_popescu;work that asshole!
1496013;1467570297;asciilifeform;just makes for sore arsehole, neh ?
1496014;1467570298;mircea_popescu;but yes, granted, the spot's not for everyone.
1496015;1467570326;asciilifeform;see, that was my contention, that the thing HAS NO COST
1496016;1467570332;asciilifeform;not in the sense those 88 cent cans of tuna have a cost.
1496017;1467570346;asciilifeform;you have to 'be someone'
1496018;1467570351;mircea_popescu;right.
1496019;1467570416;shinohai;http://archive.is/MdA2J   <<< Obama dreams of being nubbins` when he leaves office.
1496020;1467570426;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo
1496021;1467570426;asciilifeform;note, quite a few folk have 1k btc, but no - afaik - launches.
1496022;1467570471;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform complex. pretty thin middle class in btc. people > 10k or <100 , broadly.
1496023;1467570521;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bear in mind, however, that ~ANY woman can be trained to, eg, http://66.media.tumblr.com/9e19e1efb34b4219d13570f08d85a19f/tumblr_nv091t4hkt1uwpmxro1_400.gif
1496024;1467570523;*;asciilifeform has no pertinent recent data and will take mircea_popescu's word fo rit
1496025;1467570543;mircea_popescu;it's deeply unclear to me the acrobat, rather than the stripped that comfortably dps, is at issue here.
1496026;1467570564;mircea_popescu;stripper*
1496027;1467570613;asciilifeform;and any house can be rebuilt
1496028;1467570614;mircea_popescu;in other words, i don't believe manhood to be much of an innate talent. there'\s good arguments for the position.
1496029;1467570620;asciilifeform;question is the labour.
1496030;1467570632;asciilifeform;not everybody is a born animal trainer.
1496031;1467570797;mircea_popescu;howevert yuou state it, manhood can't be much of a talent.
1496032;1467570833;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu likes to roll all manners of particular mircea_popescuinities into concept of 'manhood'
1496033;1467570846;asciilifeform;so, e.g., if you dun like taming scorpions, you ain't man
1496034;1467570847;asciilifeform;etc
1496035;1467570851;mircea_popescu;yes. who's to call me on it ?
1496036;1467570861;asciilifeform;the alert reader!111
1496037;1467570875;mircea_popescu;the alert man-reader or just merely reader ?
1496038;1467570888;asciilifeform;the alert martian-reader, hell.
1496039;1467570893;mircea_popescu;mno. no such wonder.
1496040;1467570897;asciilifeform;this isn't a sin peculiar to mircea_popescu either.
1496041;1467570916;mircea_popescu;so far we're working on whether it's, strictly speaking, a sin
1496042;1467570972;asciilifeform;only in the sense that a furniture store run by a giant is 'sinful'
1496043;1467570981;asciilifeform;selling chairs that ordinary man could put entire living room on
1496044;1467571002;*;mircea_popescu also defines the grammar of languages, eg. romanian. and then "alert reader" calls him on it, and mp says fuck you, language is codified by the languagemaker, the poet and the genius generally. which is me, not you. now fix those cookbooks and laundry lists you call "grammar books"
1496045;1467571027;asciilifeform;next phase is of course full-bore tolkien
1496046;1467571038;asciilifeform;where existing langs aren't even enough for the truly 1333333333337
1496047;1467571040;mircea_popescu;or late days gauss, of course.
1496048;1467571043;asciilifeform;aha.
1496049;1467571049;*;asciilifeform understands this quite well.
1496050;1467571083;asciilifeform;the arses, however, expand very slowly, to fit the chairs.
1496051;1467571097;asciilifeform;a good chunk of gauss hasn't even been typeset yet (!)
1496052;1467571361;mircea_popescu;aha
1496053;1467571450;asciilifeform;in other adventures, i made the mistake of trying to set up a 2nd bl0g, for rubbish
1496054;1467571465;asciilifeform;and realized that if i were starting first one today, would prolly have just given up.
1496055;1467571470;mircea_popescu;heh
1496056;1467571473;asciilifeform;there is NO public software worth considering.
1496057;1467571478;asciilifeform;it is all liquishit.
1496058;1467571495;asciilifeform;and normally you can even tell from 5 seconds! of looking at author's page.
1496059;1467571499;asciilifeform;without even READING
1496060;1467571502;asciilifeform;just watching the js turds flicker.
1496061;1467571575;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes, trinque, BingoBoingo, et al ^^ anyone have a counter-example handy ?
1496062;1467571606;mircea_popescu;you can just use my wp neh ?
1496063;1467571612;asciilifeform;i fucking hate wp
1496064;1467571628;mircea_popescu;sure. but it ~works.
1496065;1467571632;mircea_popescu;no shit.
1496066;1467571654;asciilifeform;would really like to dispense with the db crapolade.
1496067;1467571666;asciilifeform;i dun need multiple concurrent editors or whatever other rubbish.
1496068;1467571670;asciilifeform;strictly files on disk plox.
1496069;1467571815;phf;asciilifeform: https://github.com/kingcons/coleslaw ?
1496070;1467571831;asciilifeform;'git for storage' ?!!
1496071;1467571846;asciilifeform;tr0l0l0l
1496072;1467571860;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform then just write straight html, what.
1496073;1467571866;mircea_popescu;you can do it, all i use are like 5-6 tags.
1496074;1467571878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: too much sweat per rubbish photo.
1496075;1467571886;*;mircea_popescu confesses to being tempted by such a scheme many times past, because that way the headers would be historically accurate.
1496076;1467571906;asciilifeform;it is probably what i'll end up doing, but it crosses over the worth-doing threshhold to wrong side.
1496077;1467571931;mircea_popescu;you can tell a shit language (html) by the fact that as it matures it goes back where it started from : infancy.
1496078;1467571937;mircea_popescu;write markup by hand wtf barbarism is this
1496079;1467571944;asciilifeform;aha.
1496080;1467571958;mircea_popescu;on the upside you can prolly have emacs macro to properly handle image linkage if you have a fixed scheme
1496081;1467571964;mircea_popescu;for names i mean.
1496082;1467571973;asciilifeform;probably but this is again the bmore house
1496083;1467571985;asciilifeform;suddenly what seems like 'trivial' work, balloons into a lifetime of crud.
1496084;1467571989;mircea_popescu;aha.
1496085;1467571997;trinque;I tend to use static site generators
1496086;1467572001;mircea_popescu;i ftr am very happy with my frozen wp cube
1496087;1467572005;mircea_popescu;from this pov.
1496088;1467572014;phf;trinque: i suggested one, ascii couldn't get past first line
1496089;1467572022;trinque;so write one alf
1496090;1467572033;trinque;they're an afternoon tops
1496091;1467572037;asciilifeform;mno.
1496092;1467572041;asciilifeform;not if you want it to actually work.
1496093;1467572067;trinque;wtf is this "actually"
1496094;1467572070;asciilifeform;(e.g., spit rss for trinque's bot)
1496095;1467572079;mircea_popescu;alf admits he is shitty codewright ?
1496096;1467572093;asciilifeform;i dun even DO wwwtronics!11111
1496097;1467572099;asciilifeform;ferfuxsake
1496098;1467572101;mats;psh
1496099;1467572112;*;trinque hated on the wiki recently; maybe I'll write a CL html generator sometime soon
1496100;1467572120;trinque;I'll want one for bot doings soon anyway
1496101;1467572222;trinque;the idea of a "web framework" generating pages each request is insane, even on high-churn sites
1496102;1467572238;trinque;they do this, then "caching" gets involved
1496103;1467572245;trinque;cache on disk! in a file!
1496104;1467572252;asciilifeform;what i want is to generate them ONCE, when EDITED.
1496105;1467572255;asciilifeform;then serve up static.
1496106;1467572257;trinque;right!!!
1496107;1467572260;trinque;exactly that.
1496108;1467572260;phf;trinque: coleslaw is a static site generator written  in cl
1496109;1467572260;mircea_popescu;trinque it's not as bad as it seems theoretically, on the grounds of apache being utter shit.
1496110;1467572262;asciilifeform;but 0 public examples.
1496111;1467572264;asciilifeform;0.
1496112;1467572270;phf;ffs
1496113;1467572276;asciilifeform;phf: git. so no go.
1496114;1467572279;asciilifeform;i want NO DEPS
1496115;1467572283;trinque;V ?
1496116;1467572286;asciilifeform;srsly what is so hard to understand.
1496117;1467572287;phf;asciilifeform: git is an optional deployment option
1496118;1467572288;mircea_popescu;lol. srsly.
1496119;1467572296;asciilifeform;and editor via wwwbrowser.
1496120;1467572314;trinque;my emacs is not in wwwbrowser!
1496121;1467572342;mircea_popescu;in entirely unrelated news : so yesterday because pears were exceptional, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495366
1496122;1467572342;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 01:32 mircea_popescu bought a coupla dozen, chopped them off, stuck in jars with clove, muskatnuss, a little alspice and about 3 bottles of cognac
1496123;1467572346;asciilifeform;a rubbish blog gotta be augmentable from devices other than battlestation
1496124;1467572362;mircea_popescu;today, tried the contents. pears delicious, the liquoir a bit strong. brewed fresh pot of coffee, added it in. OMFG best coffee ever.
1496125;1467572366;mircea_popescu;mpailey's!
1496126;1467572392;asciilifeform;sounds like mircea_popescu takes in more ethanol than water nao
1496127;1467572392;phf;wwwbrowser disqualifies coleslaw
1496128;1467572411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bout the usual quart a week.
1496129;1467572441;asciilifeform;ah then normal adult man l0l
1496130;1467572463;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> strictly files on disk plox. << werc?
1496131;1467572469;mircea_popescu;anyway, to the topic : the lot of you've got to be insane to opine on the matter without actually trying the set-up i declare to be happy with, which also carries the endless millions of trilemawords, longer than any codeball ever written.
1496132;1467572472;mircea_popescu;but hey, that's just me.
1496133;1467572483;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ?
1496134;1467572487;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how much is normal per your book ?
1496135;1467572493;asciilifeform;about quart, lel
1496136;1467572503;mircea_popescu;aokthen!
1496137;1467572509;mircea_popescu;we're white, what. that's what it's for.
1496138;1467572516;asciilifeform;prettymuch.
1496139;1467572537;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: By the cat-v plan9 people
1496140;1467572562;phf;BingoBoingo: that one's missing browser integration
1496141;1467572567;BingoBoingo;lol
1496142;1467572575;mircea_popescu;wait, so no www, no non-www ?
1496143;1467572578;mircea_popescu;and no emacs ?
1496144;1467572584;mircea_popescu;what is this, "do what i dream" ?
1496145;1467572593;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1496119
1496146;1467572593;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 18:58 asciilifeform: and editor via wwwbrowser.
1496147;1467572599;mircea_popescu;ah
1496148;1467572608;asciilifeform;AND it needs plan9!!!!
1496149;1467572611;phf;i'm not even sure why i'm participating in this conversation, y'all just ranting over each other :>
1496150;1467572623;*;phf goes to setup wordpress
1496151;1467572627;asciilifeform;i just downloaded, states quite clearly, that it runs strictly on plan9.
1496152;1467572639;mircea_popescu;phf gimme a sec ima package what i run.
1496153;1467572641;mircea_popescu;it's slightly modified.
1496154;1467572644;asciilifeform;oodles of shell crapolade in there.
1496155;1467572655;mircea_popescu;mostly for spamhandling purposes.
1496156;1467572828;phf;kk
1496157;1467572853;phf;by the way, what's wrong with current %seen?
1496158;1467572860;phf;%seen phf
1496159;1467572861;mircea_popescu;%seen naked sluts
1496160;1467572868;mircea_popescu;i dunno... you tell me ?
1496161;1467572895;phf;;;seen phf
1496162;1467572895;gribble;phf was last seen in #trilema 35 seconds ago: <phf> %seen phf
1496163;1467572912;mircea_popescu;heh
1496164;1467573081;phf;though could probably use same nick matches as that's used in from:, so that $seen ascii will return last of many ascii_field, ascii_orc, ascii_butugychag ...
1496165;1467573122;mircea_popescu;mhm
1496166;1467573218;asciilifeform;i looked at 'flatpress', and barfed, it is 1000s of lines
1496167;1467573219;asciilifeform;WHY
1496168;1467573221;asciilifeform;THE FUCK
1496169;1467573233;asciilifeform;does a motherfucking blog engine need to weigh 1000s of lines of ???.
1496170;1467573271;phf;presumably needed to "actually work"
1496171;1467573279;asciilifeform;retardation.
1496172;1467573299;asciilifeform;compare mass of, e.g., 'v' vs 'git'.
1496173;1467573304;asciilifeform;does v not actually-work ?
1496174;1467573330;phf;i dunno, nobody's actually using it
1496175;1467573353;*;asciilifeform uses.
1496176;1467573551;asciilifeform;i will note that, e.g., 'Doom', was under 50,000 lines !
1496177;1467573650;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, phuctor has crunched all of sks circa may 2016.
1496178;1467573697;phf;so do i, but we don't send patches to each other. v needs a distribute team to put it through paces, but every time we do, we et lively philosophical conversations as to how it supposed to actually be used
1496179;1467573727;phf;*we end up with
1496180;1467573743;asciilifeform;phf: iirc it ended with mircea_popescu's pithy observation that perhaps folks should not even expect to be able to use other peoples' patches directly, but rather each maintain own tree
1496181;1467573759;asciilifeform;and hand-pollinate
1496182;1467573807;mircea_popescu;not quite.
1496183;1467573822;asciilifeform;this, however, is considerably more painful than it has to be, because wwwtronics is liquid shit
1496184;1467573838;mircea_popescu;the statement was that PEOPLE SHOULDN'\ EXPECT TO REUSE other people's patches in contexts not intended by those other people ; but instead hand pollinate.
1496185;1467573842;asciilifeform;for some reason you can't presently go 'gimme asciilifeform's latest patches'
1496186;1467573847;mircea_popescu;this says nothing re common trunk ; it's a discussion of #import idiocy.
1496187;1467573887;mircea_popescu;it's strictly a "yes, shit and myelin both go into body, but there's a membrane between them".
1496188;1467573960;asciilifeform;thread concerned merging.
1496189;1467573966;asciilifeform;ended with 'merging is for lamerz'
1496190;1467573992;asciilifeform;'Real Man merges by reading, then burning the telegram, and rewriting'
1496191;1467574037;asciilifeform;i did not come up with any serious objection. but it may yet be the case that this is a chair for giants.
1496192;1467574046;asciilifeform;as phf seems to suggest.
1496193;1467574059;asciilifeform;four-handed sword.
1496194;1467574079;mircea_popescu;it's just that i see a lot more compartments, separate, than is customary in "the profession"/"the biz".
1496195;1467574097;mircea_popescu;there's an inviolate margin between ideal-code and deployed-code for instance. which this crude notion of "merging" aims to breach.
1496196;1467574117;asciilifeform;how's that
1496197;1467574200;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> AND it needs plan9!!!! << It needs plan9 UTILITIES, available on any nixen
1496198;1467574399;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: realize, yer still talking about a WHOLE OS USERLAND
1496199;1467574409;asciilifeform;you don't get to not count it in the weight of the proggy.
1496200;1467574494;phf;only acceptable solution is 200 lines of ADA, that you can run on dos (equivalently baremetal) and needs www interface
1496201;1467574542;asciilifeform;wouldn't go this far, but ought to use the pieces already in the rubble
1496202;1467574555;asciilifeform;e.g., python, or whatever
1496203;1467574601;asciilifeform;'phuctor', say, is 600 ln of py and 200 of c.
1496204;1467574609;asciilifeform;and probably could be considerably smaller.
1496205;1467574620;mircea_popescu;phf http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-mptargz.gpg << it's all there ; run a grep over the files for "fill your own" to see what you need to add ; you'll also need a theme (goes in /wp-content ) and obviously a mysql db.
1496206;1467574630;mircea_popescu;let me know if you have trouble standing it up, i'll debug for free!
1496207;1467574637;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu, this might come in handy
1496208;1467574638;mircea_popescu;if anyone else wants it sure - jus' say.
1496209;1467574657;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's to his key. you want also ?
1496210;1467574675;asciilifeform;ah yes
1496211;1467574676;asciilifeform;plox.
1496212;1467574686;mircea_popescu;kk. anyone else ? save me an upload and speak nao ?
1496213;1467574773;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-mp-alftargz.gpg
1496214;1467574799;asciilifeform;ty mircea_popescu
1496215;1467574854;mircea_popescu;also - if anyone feels like undertaking maintenance for this, on like a V tree and everything, i wouldn't be at all against.
1496216;1467574882;mircea_popescu;for one thing - splendid entry level project to learn v without having to know wtf project 9 level arcana is. for the other - still some crud that could do with taking out etc.
1496217;1467574889;asciilifeform;it's got binaries
1496218;1467574892;mircea_popescu;fine apprentice job altogether.
1496219;1467574893;asciilifeform;so not v-able.
1496220;1467574898;asciilifeform;at least not in the whole.
1496221;1467574912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a) which and b) why would binary be un-v-able i dun get it ?
1496222;1467574918;mircea_popescu;i could keep blockchain a
1496223;1467574920;asciilifeform;bitmaps.
1496224;1467574921;mircea_popescu;s a v item
1496225;1467574937;asciilifeform;gnudiff doesn't generate patches for bins.
1496226;1467574945;asciilifeform;so none of the extant vtrons are able to eat them.
1496227;1467574947;mircea_popescu;so ? translate them to chars like phf did for lisp.
1496228;1467574957;asciilifeform;yeah but this is not done in any extant vtron.
1496229;1467574966;asciilifeform;and it would result in gargantuan patches.
1496230;1467574968;mircea_popescu;as i said - still some crud that could do with taking out etc.
1496231;1467574972;mircea_popescu;nothing HARD tho.
1496232;1467574985;asciilifeform;i don't consider a project v-able unless it is 100% ascii text.
1496233;1467575008;mircea_popescu;everything is 100% ascii text. notwithstanding the damage iconoclasts of your tribe try to do to alphabet.,
1496234;1467575021;mircea_popescu;oops i mean, iconophiles.
1496235;1467575027;asciilifeform;convertible-to: yes
1496236;1467575030;asciilifeform;~is~ : no.
1496237;1467575032;mircea_popescu;mno.
1496238;1467575039;asciilifeform;hex dump != source.
1496239;1467575047;mircea_popescu;us farmland is not "covertible" to cussack range.
1496240;1467575053;mircea_popescu;it IS cussack range temporarily converted to shitplain.
1496241;1467575136;asciilifeform;one of the few useful concepts we got from rms was 'source == form-preferable-for-modification'
1496242;1467575268;mircea_popescu;"preferable" doesn't mean anything. also bitmaps should be svg'd.
1496243;1467575283;asciilifeform;svg is liquishit
1496244;1467575292;mircea_popescu;PROPER svg'd.
1496245;1467575295;asciilifeform;dun exist.
1496246;1467575303;mircea_popescu;so make it.
1496247;1467575323;asciilifeform;there's 10,000 man-years of undone pyramid.
1496248;1467575334;mircea_popescu;sure.
1496249;1467575487;mircea_popescu;110408 total says wc -l. holy shit 100k loc omfg wtf bbq.
1496250;1467575525;mircea_popescu;anyway. most of the shit should be cut out with irons, there's room for maybe 2k lines there in like 3 files once one's done shaving the hairball.
1496251;1467575807;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how come all yer php has winblowz line endings ?
1496252;1467575978;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also, what 'allow from' ought to be used in the .htaccess in your wp-includes/js dir ?
1496253;1467576435;asciilifeform;also phf mircea_popescu there are remaining trilemaisms in there
1496254;1467576439;asciilifeform;grep -i trilema
1496255;1467576444;asciilifeform;(easy to fix)
1496256;1467576599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whatever ips you use to admin it.
1496257;1467576606;asciilifeform;ahok
1496258;1467576653;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibly because original development by automattic was done on windoze ? nfi.
1496259;1467576684;asciilifeform;lel:  '// special handle for idiots:'
1496260;1467576741;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing is damned flexible.
1496261;1467576778;*;asciilifeform about to test-fire mircea_popescu's thing
1496262;1467579587;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does it wurk ?
1496263;1467579593;asciilifeform;not yet
1496264;1467579596;asciilifeform;fighting with db
1496265;1467581086;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wordpress barfs MOUNTAINS of 'deprecated: xxxxxxxxxx'
1496266;1467581092;asciilifeform;php crapolade.
1496267;1467581130;mircea_popescu;yup.
1496268;1467581140;asciilifeform;it fills MOST OF THE SCREEN
1496269;1467581144;mircea_popescu;i've been ignoring it ever since accidentally got upgraded.
1496270;1467581145;asciilifeform;unusable unless can be disabled.
1496271;1467581153;asciilifeform;holy fuck, ho w???
1496272;1467581155;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1496273;1467581177;mircea_popescu;there's a setting in php.ini, "shut the fuck up".
1496274;1467581183;*;mircea_popescu is hazy on the details.
1496275;1467581200;mircea_popescu;iirc this was in log tho, one second.
1496276;1467581256;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-22#1350358
1496277;1467581256;a111;Logged on 2015-12-22 14:29 mircea_popescu replaces E_ALL & ~E_NOTICE & ~E_DEPRECATED & ~E_STRICT that apparently GETS IGNORED ANYWAY with E_ERROR and fu.
1496278;1467581259;mircea_popescu;here we go.
1496279;1467581295;mircea_popescu;you want error_reporting=E_ERROR
1496280;1467581298;asciilifeform;where?
1496281;1467581329;mircea_popescu;php.ini
1496282;1467581533;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://67.media.tumblr.com/37905f5f3ad030995ecd4893d1589546/tumblr_nrc05kjNv61uy0bt6o1_500.gif << linked mostly for the amusing circumstance where the penis resembles a lengthy stick with a ballsac-bow at middle, and it's unclear to which of the two it's actually attached. such social commentary.
1496283;1467581571;mircea_popescu;"is the man fucking himself on the stick portruding from the woman's butt ? or is he contraiwise, impelling an attached probiscus into her hole ?"
1496284;1467581631;asciilifeform;hah i thought it was in a piano
1496285;1467581634;asciilifeform;but it is toilet and sink.
1496286;1467581643;mircea_popescu;lol
1496287;1467581661;mircea_popescu;the sturgeon eater, concerts on piano.
1496288;1467581668;mircea_popescu;the beans eater, concerts on ... organ.
1496289;1467582043;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the php thing worked, ty.
1496290;1467582140;asciilifeform;or hm, nope.
1496291;1467582141;asciilifeform;i still get barf.
1496292;1467582171;mircea_popescu;you restarted teh apache ?
1496293;1467582174;asciilifeform;aha
1496294;1467582183;mircea_popescu;quote some barf ?
1496295;1467582192;asciilifeform;Strict Standards: Declaration of Walker_Comment::end_el() should be compatible with Walker::end_el(&$output) in /home/public/wp-includes/comment-template.php on line 1282
1496296;1467582194;asciilifeform;and a bunch moar.
1496297;1467582197;asciilifeform;INSTEAD OF SITE
1496298;1467582205;mircea_popescu;it's not set correctly somehow.
1496299;1467582208;asciilifeform;(in wp admin panel - in addition to, on top of screen.)
1496300;1467582229;mircea_popescu;is it reading some other config file or somesuch ?
1496301;1467582233;asciilifeform;nope.
1496302;1467582235;asciilifeform;definitely it.
1496303;1467582235;mircea_popescu;hm.
1496304;1467582246;asciilifeform;THIS is the kind of idiocy i was hoping to avoid.
1496305;1467582257;asciilifeform;the 2 hrs spent fighting with db, that is WASTED work, also
1496306;1467582267;asciilifeform;because i did it before, years ago, and remembered 0
1496307;1467582267;mircea_popescu;make a call to phpinfo() grep for "display_errors". should e	Off	Off.
1496308;1467582286;mircea_popescu;eh it's not wasted, simmer down. we fix it okay ?
1496309;1467582313;asciilifeform;'display_errors => STDOUT => STDOUT'
1496310;1467582332;mircea_popescu;also
1496311;1467582333;mircea_popescu;error_append_string	no value	no value
1496312;1467582333;mircea_popescu;error_log	/dev/null	/dev/null
1496313;1467582333;mircea_popescu;error_prepend_string	no value	no value
1496314;1467582335;mircea_popescu;well so fix it!
1496315;1467582377;asciilifeform;fixed
1496316;1467582383;asciilifeform;i still get the strict_standards bullshit
1496317;1467582393;mircea_popescu;o.o nfi.
1496318;1467582449;asciilifeform;not only that,
1496319;1467582452;asciilifeform;but the site NEVER DISPLAYS
1496320;1467582457;asciilifeform;the control panel - does. site - no.
1496321;1467582460;mircea_popescu;did you get a theme ?
1496322;1467582460;asciilifeform;nor any page thereof.
1496323;1467582464;asciilifeform;no?
1496324;1467582472;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu's tarball was complete ?
1496325;1467582479;mircea_popescu;that's what i said @phf. you'll need a theme.
1496326;1467582485;asciilifeform;oh forfuckssake.
1496327;1467582492;phf;hehehe
1496328;1467582496;mircea_popescu;well wtf you're gonna make a blog with my face on it ?!@
1496329;1467582506;asciilifeform;lel
1496330;1467582520;asciilifeform;if i find out how to vanish the idiot barf, i can think about theme
1496331;1467582530;mircea_popescu;gimem a minute here, this is a little odd.
1496332;1467582541;mircea_popescu;but i have spun up half the php army, so something better come of it.
1496333;1467582787;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform apparently this is not possible, to be in a situation where the right php.ini contains a display_errors off switch and yet the page barfs warnings.
1496334;1467582801;asciilifeform;for fucks sake.
1496335;1467582803;mircea_popescu;what php version you got thar ?
1496336;1467582873;asciilifeform;5.6.23
1496337;1467582959;asciilifeform;soo apparently 'error_reporting = 0' works.
1496338;1467582963;mircea_popescu;aha.
1496339;1467582966;asciilifeform;but silences ALL msgs.
1496340;1467582986;asciilifeform;and apparently now i have to write a motherfucking theme ?!
1496341;1467583002;mircea_popescu;well, alternatively download one :D
1496342;1467583011;asciilifeform;0 published good anything.
1496343;1467583013;asciilifeform;as usual.
1496344;1467583015;phf;ok, i got it going http://107.170.141.103 (i'll shuffle it elsewhere so don't bookmark it or nothing)
1496345;1467583022;mircea_popescu;$google wordpress themes
1496346;1467583023;deedbot;https://wordpress.org/themes/ << Featured — Free WordPress Themes | http://www.themecircle.net/ << • Wordpress Themes - Best WordPress Themes for 2016 | http://themeforest.net/category/wordpress << WordPress Themes from ThemeForest
1496347;1467583029;asciilifeform;GOOD
1496348;1467583030;asciilifeform;anythings.
1496349;1467583038;mircea_popescu;lol.
1496350;1467583046;asciilifeform;they all have half a meg of css etc.
1496351;1467583051;mircea_popescu;oh.
1496352;1467583055;asciilifeform;incl the crap on my 1st site
1496353;1467583068;mircea_popescu;you can prolly reuse THAT theme acvtuall.
1496354;1467583076;asciilifeform;it is horrid
1496355;1467583091;asciilifeform;i have to massage every single graphic to avoid spilling over
1496356;1467583092;mircea_popescu;well yes, but you're currently using it.
1496357;1467583096;mircea_popescu;uh. ouch.
1496358;1467583106;asciilifeform;yes, using, it, because never found any improved
1496359;1467583116;asciilifeform;nor have any idea how to perma-fix this idiocy
1496360;1467583117;mircea_popescu;oh btw, this auto-resizes images. i just upload whatever and it gives me 560xblabla fit for the page.
1496361;1467583131;asciilifeform;and what about when viewed on a 4000x6000 display ?
1496362;1467583135;asciilifeform;also 560px?
1496363;1467583147;mircea_popescu;hey, what can i tell you!
1496364;1467583154;asciilifeform;none of this shit WORKS
1496365;1467583200;mircea_popescu;phf it has a pretty powerful antispam mechanism. it spits on people who try to send pingbacks from other ips than the blog in question ; it quarantines people who try to add posts with links to anything other than your own blog ; and it auto-spams people it recognizes on the basis of the already marked as spam.
1496366;1467583220;mircea_popescu;which is why originally you'll get some spam quarantined, but after a while it goes away. i see ~1-2 pieces / week atm.
1496367;1467583229;mircea_popescu;but to get this benefit, mark spam as spam rather than delete it.
1496368;1467583231;mircea_popescu;that's about all.
1496369;1467583239;phf;kk
1496370;1467583242;phf;this is smooth
1496371;1467583247;*;phf has never seen wordpress
1496372;1467583255;mircea_popescu;old wordpress was pretty cool.
1496373;1467583336;asciilifeform;holy SHIT a theme called 'simple skeleton' is 400+KB.
1496374;1467583376;asciilifeform;nor does wordpress.org's directory let you sort by weight.
1496375;1467583381;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise.
1496376;1467583550;phf;asciilifeform: http://107.170.141.103/?p=7
1496377;1467583628;asciilifeform;phf: i have that one, turns out, on old disk
1496378;1467583642;asciilifeform;but it lacks essentials, e.g., search box
1496379;1467583670;asciilifeform;this has been a VERY depressing exercise.
1496380;1467583700;asciilifeform;not even because bit rot;
1496381;1467583713;asciilifeform;but because the LAST time i did this, i had ~0 standards and didn't give a fuck
1496382;1467583715;asciilifeform;about ~anything.
1496383;1467583772;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> but it lacks essentials, e.g., search box << not an essential, jsut do qntra style archive page
1496384;1467583816;phf;asciilifeform: it's a widget you need to enable in settings
1496385;1467583818;phf;witness http://107.170.141.103/?s=wp-content
1496386;1467584062;asciilifeform;where do the themes even go
1496387;1467584069;phf;toplevel
1496388;1467584080;asciilifeform;and with what chmod
1496389;1467584089;phf;wp-content goes into same folder as wp-content, wp-includes
1496390;1467584135;phf;same as your apache www-data
1496391;1467584142;asciilifeform;chmod
1496392;1467584144;asciilifeform;not chown
1496393;1467584211;phf;well, so far i have everything as rw r r, but i suspect to edit theme you'll need to either chown to apache's user, or chown to group and add rw rw r
1496394;1467584282;phf;pretty sure everything except wp-content/uploads can stay readonly
1496395;1467584295;asciilifeform;i don't even HAVE a wp-content
1496396;1467584302;phf;asciilifeform: i linked it for you
1496397;1467584310;phf;http://107.170.141.103/?p=7
1496398;1467584324;phf;you gotta engage with my blarg brah
1496399;1467584347;phf;i'm looking for those massive impressions
1496400;1467584353;asciilifeform;lel ty
1496401;1467584457;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, you can make theme as css light as you wish. heck, make it pure html barf. or for that matter, plaintext.
1496402;1467584483;mircea_popescu;also, trilema doesn't have search box either. wtf search box.
1496403;1467584485;asciilifeform;'strip away the marble until statue is left'
1496404;1467584492;asciilifeform;so easy!111
1496405;1467584637;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, merely formulating those standards precisely would be useful. why not.
1496406;1467584643;mircea_popescu;you could put it in a blog post.
1496407;1467584662;mircea_popescu;seeing how you'll have to come up with something EACH DAY, soon enough the broken state of the world becomes a revelry.
1496408;1467584715;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how to set upload dir path ?
1496409;1467584735;asciilifeform;doesn't seem to exist in the config
1496410;1467584750;asciilifeform;i created the default, but all uploads silently fail
1496411;1467584763;asciilifeform;(all failures will be silent, considering that i had to destroy the error printer)
1496412;1467584780;phf;asciilifeform: wp-admin/options-misc.php
1496413;1467584809;asciilifeform;i created the dir
1496414;1467584812;asciilifeform;NOTHING happens
1496415;1467584817;asciilifeform;it is writable.
1496416;1467584857;phf;well, you want to go to wp-admin/media-new.php, try and upload something, see if it lands in the dir?
1496417;1467584867;asciilifeform;it does not.
1496418;1467584870;mircea_popescu;phf can you upload an item ?
1496419;1467584890;phf;yeah, http://107.170.141.103/?p=7 has a media uploaded file
1496420;1467584901;phf;it's like none of you read my blog!
1496421;1467584904;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, this, at least on my setup, very quick and easy "host this file" basis)
1496422;1467584918;mircea_popescu;phf word.
1496423;1467584941;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it needs structure, iirc it is something like /wp-content/uploads/2016/07/x
1496424;1467584965;mircea_popescu;so make that whole path and try again
1496425;1467584984;asciilifeform;it is supposed to mkdir'em
1496426;1467584987;mircea_popescu;it is yes.
1496427;1467584988;phf;fwiw i only created uploads, and it made the structure on its own, after i fixed permissions 
1496428;1467584996;asciilifeform;what were your perms phf ?
1496429;1467585000;mircea_popescu;777!
1496430;1467585007;mircea_popescu;luckiest perms there are.
1496431;1467585013;phf;drwxrwxr-x 3 root www-data 4.0K Jul  3 17:59 uploads/ 
1496432;1467585022;mircea_popescu;close enough lol
1496433;1467585031;phf;oh yeah, pretty much
1496434;1467585034;asciilifeform;worx, ty
1496435;1467585086;mircea_popescu;phf hey, you gotta fix the antispam bit, which prolly has a fixed path in it or something ? currently not letting me comment.
1496436;1467585112;phf;kk
1496437;1467585157;mircea_popescu;ahhh i know what it is.
1496438;1467585169;mircea_popescu;one second ima give you the fix. theme needs some salt for comment form to work.
1496439;1467585215;mircea_popescu;phf http://trilema.com/2009/trilema-anti-spam/ << see the part going "si respectiv in comments.php a temei," aka "in the comments.php file in your theme"
1496440;1467585275;asciilifeform;soooo turns out none of the current wp themes work with this wp.
1496441;1467585279;asciilifeform;only phf's.
1496442;1467585292;asciilifeform;blank screen
1496443;1467585311;phf;of course, current version is something like 4.8, mp's version is 2.7, 2009 vintage
1496444;1467585341;mircea_popescu;aha.
1496445;1467585355;asciilifeform;and of course not debuggable
1496446;1467585371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is a blessing, of course. you want 2015 theme like you want karachi street whore.
1496447;1467585383;asciilifeform;i want the default theme like i want to hand-html.
1496448;1467585440;mircea_popescu;next time that guy comes in that was trying to fix qntra, i guess we get him to make you a special wp 2.7 theme to spec ?
1496449;1467585442;mircea_popescu;my treat.
1496450;1467585448;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is quite unclear to me what part of the rewrite rule is necessary for the spamatron
1496451;1467585461;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which rewrite rule you mean ?
1496452;1467585472;asciilifeform;aha
1496453;1467585519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you want to debug, you can just make a 2nd install. can share db, even, it has this table-prefix scheme baked in. that one you can restrict to yourself and use for hacking upon.
1496454;1467585540;asciilifeform;ugh
1496455;1467585560;mircea_popescu;phf you'll also need a favicon.ico that's not a T lol
1496456;1467585580;phf;and a picture of myself on a camel
1496457;1467585602;mircea_popescu;well, at least barking at a camel's feet.
1496458;1467585635;mircea_popescu;phf 2008 vintage i'm pretty certain.
1496459;1467585678;asciilifeform;my comment thing dun work, aha.
1496460;1467585759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform trhe idea is you want either both of the chunks linked or neither. currently you have only the top one (in wp-comments-post.php ) but not hte bottom one (in /wp-content/theme/comments.php )
1496461;1467585814;asciilifeform;i dun get it, do i need the rewrites? and if so, which? what does 'RewriteCond %{HTTP_REFERER} .t-1813 [OR]' ~do~ ?
1496462;1467585830;mircea_popescu;uh lemme see wtf is this
1496463;1467585882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform where is this ?!
1496464;1467585891;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2009/trilema-anti-spam/#selection-57.1-57.41
1496465;1467585914;mircea_popescu;ah, can safely ignore that part.
1496466;1467585922;asciilifeform;well i get a blank page when commenting.
1496467;1467585926;asciilifeform;and 0 comments.
1496468;1467585954;asciilifeform;literally a 0 byte page.
1496469;1467585964;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/trilema-anti-spam/#selection-81.0-109.41 < section of interest.
1496470;1467586076;asciilifeform;i don't even HAVE a comments.php
1496471;1467586092;mircea_popescu;it's in ~your theme~. do you have one ? no ? WELL THEN!
1496472;1467586107;asciilifeform;ah that
1496473;1467586111;phf;asciilifeform: wp-content/themes/default/comments.php
1496474;1467586115;asciilifeform;holy shit, i have to manually massage every theme?!
1496475;1467586118;asciilifeform;to make commenting even WORK
1496476;1467586150;mircea_popescu;you could alternatively take the thing out of wp-comments-post.php ; all it does is it prevents serious spam operations from working
1496477;1467586158;asciilifeform;and live with spam ?
1496478;1467586161;mircea_popescu;way these work is, they collect form data once with spider, come back and spam it for years afterwards.
1496479;1467586172;mircea_popescu;it won't likely degrade the scheme enough for you to notice.
1496480;1467586203;mircea_popescu;ie, this  specific bit is a load control measure more than actually spam-killing per se.
1496481;1467586228;asciilifeform;so what should be taken out then ?
1496482;1467586240;asciilifeform;$suffix .......... null;    ?
1496483;1467586254;mircea_popescu;$suffix = substr(md5(date('Y-m-d')."salt.no,rly.salt."),0,6); to become $suffix = "";
1496484;1467586292;asciilifeform;i still get a 0 byte page when commenting.
1496485;1467586315;mircea_popescu;of course. as you've no theme. neh ?
1496486;1467586322;asciilifeform;i HAVE a theme
1496487;1467586324;asciilifeform;the default.
1496488;1467586327;asciilifeform;that i got from phf.
1496489;1467586330;mircea_popescu;ah.
1496490;1467586344;asciilifeform;well, one of his 2
1496491;1467586345;asciilifeform;http://www.asciilifeform.com
1496492;1467586377;asciilifeform;(dns existed for eons, and there was an old and bitrotten thing there which is no moar)
1496493;1467586385;mircea_popescu;well, when this engages what it does is, "Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again."
1496494;1467586397;asciilifeform;i get 0 anything
1496495;1467586405;asciilifeform;just empty.
1496496;1467586407;asciilifeform;no messages.
1496497;1467586482;phf;mircea_popescu: i think the anti-spam instructions are missing bit for comment_post_time
1496498;1467586518;mircea_popescu;tsk, i think you';re right phf!
1496499;1467586557;mircea_popescu;get the two hashes to line up, ima make a comment on article with update. it has been 7 years huh.
1496500;1467586666;mircea_popescu;<input type="hidden" name="comment_post_time" value="<?php echo time(),"-",$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']; ?>" /></p>
1496501;1467586692;asciilifeform;??
1496502;1467586709;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he crafitily discovered there's a missing bit.
1496503;1467586727;phf;ok comments work
1496504;1467586748;mircea_popescu;so they do!
1496505;1467586793;mircea_popescu;http://107.170.141.103/?p=7&cpage=1#comment-3 :D
1496506;1467586816;mircea_popescu;phf also paginated comments are fucking stupid, take that shit out
1496507;1467586822;asciilifeform;anybody gonna say where this piece goes ?
1496508;1467586870;phf;one sec
1496509;1467586881;shinohai;responsive
1496510;1467587073;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the theme, same file, comments.php. part of the comment form, grep for "comment_post_ID" and put it under
1496511;1467587090;asciilifeform;so i can't actually use virginal themes ??
1496512;1467587100;mircea_popescu;it's flood killer / antibot measure, otherwise you can actually get destroyed by botnet relaying the same comment over and over 100times/s.
1496513;1467587136;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not exactly, no. gotta fit them in trilema socket.
1496514;1467587235;asciilifeform;i found the barfatron:
1496515;1467587248;asciilifeform;wp-comments-post.php: ln 54
1496516;1467587248;mircea_popescu;re "paginated comments" : http://trilema.com/2011/concurs-de-injurat-blogari-editia-a-ii-a/ ~700, loads just fine.
1496517;1467587253;mircea_popescu;i wanna see the blog that gets more.
1496518;1467587260;asciilifeform;SELECT comment_ID FROM tril_comments .....
1496519;1467587265;asciilifeform;what to do with that thing
1496520;1467587267;phf;mircea_popescu: i think that's just some default setting
1496521;1467587335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform heh. should be SELECT comment_ID FROM $wpdb->comments
1496522;1467587470;mircea_popescu;oh no, i mean. should be :
1496523;1467587470;mircea_popescu;$myrows = $wpdb->get_var('SELECT comment_ID FROM '.$wpdb->prefix.'comments WHERE comment_author_IP = "'.$_SERVER["REMOTE_ADDR"].'" and comment_approved = "spam";');
1496524;1467587523;asciilifeform;is the thing ~supposed~ to send all comments to the mod queue ?
1496525;1467587525;asciilifeform;because mine does.
1496526;1467587626;asciilifeform;or hm, odd:
1496527;1467587630;asciilifeform;main page shows 0 comments
1496528;1467587636;asciilifeform;admin panel offers comment for moderation
1496529;1467587644;asciilifeform;but clicking on post reveals already approved comment
1496530;1467587647;asciilifeform;whole thing is broken
1496531;1467587655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at first, yeah.
1496532;1467587700;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?
1496533;1467587707;asciilifeform;what i said
1496534;1467587714;asciilifeform;thing behaves inconsistently.
1496535;1467587726;mircea_popescu;i still can't send you a comment fwiw.
1496536;1467587753;asciilifeform;you cna
1496537;1467587754;asciilifeform;can
1496538;1467587762;asciilifeform;but it only displays if you click on the post
1496539;1467587786;mircea_popescu;ah look, it autapproved.
1496540;1467587795;mircea_popescu;now let's try some spam.\
1496541;1467587812;asciilifeform;it doesn't actually work consistently
1496542;1467587817;asciilifeform;the admin panel offers me to mod comments
1496543;1467587824;asciilifeform;the overview root page shows 0 comments
1496544;1467587831;asciilifeform;clicking on post shows all attempted comments.
1496545;1467587839;asciilifeform;this thing is b0rk3d.
1496546;1467587850;mircea_popescu;nope, spam comment didn't make it through.
1496547;1467587851;mircea_popescu;dja see it ?
1496548;1467587888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope.
1496549;1467587899;mircea_popescu;cool then.
1496550;1467587908;asciilifeform;or huh i see it in spam queue.
1496551;1467587910;asciilifeform;where it belongs.
1496552;1467587910;mircea_popescu;should be in comments if you click on "Spam" aha.
1496553;1467587912;mircea_popescu;so there.
1496554;1467587947;phf;asciilifeform: i also made a patch, but sounds like you don't need it anymore http://107.170.141.103/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-comments.diff
1496555;1467587997;mircea_popescu;nice job phf!
1496556;1467588016;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all comments other than spam show up in 'pending' in mine.
1496557;1467588023;asciilifeform;and show as summing to 0 in root page.
1496558;1467588037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there may be some issues with theme display for logged in admin.
1496559;1467588045;asciilifeform;nononon
1496560;1467588047;asciilifeform;NOT LOGGED IN
1496561;1467588056;mircea_popescu;then hm. i only see my test comment myslef
1496562;1467588075;asciilifeform;http://www.asciilifeform.com shows 0 comments.
1496563;1467588080;mircea_popescu;and also do me a favour and delete my spam comment ; now it doesn't let me comment anymoar :)
1496564;1467588082;asciilifeform;but if you click, they appear.
1496565;1467588088;asciilifeform;i'ma delete whole thhing prolly
1496566;1467588090;asciilifeform;it is ~useless
1496567;1467588091;mircea_popescu;click where ?
1496568;1467588095;asciilifeform;on the oly post
1496569;1467588097;asciilifeform;*only
1496570;1467588132;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/2lD84 << they do not ?
1496571;1467588148;asciilifeform;dafuq
1496572;1467588156;mircea_popescu;i dunno man, your blog :D
1496573;1467588162;mircea_popescu;WORX ON MY SYSTEMZ
1496574;1467588167;asciilifeform;http://www.asciilifeform.com/?p=1&cpage=1#comment-3 << ?
1496575;1467588169;asciilifeform;what do you get
1496576;1467588185;mircea_popescu;my test comment.
1496577;1467588193;mircea_popescu;no other comments on page.
1496578;1467588207;asciilifeform;notice it even prints 'no comments'
1496579;1467588238;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo Bundy ranch for sale http://listings.listhub.net/pages/MREANV/1116509
1496580;1467588238;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1496581;1467588297;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno ; seems to me like a theme issue. this isn't phf's theme, actually, is it ?
1496582;1467588340;asciilifeform;it is one of the 2 themes in his tarball
1496583;1467588348;mircea_popescu;well, it is evidently the broken one.
1496584;1467588408;asciilifeform;whole thing apparetly needs 1,001 hand-coded exceptions from sop in order to work.
1496585;1467588415;asciilifeform;none of which i am equipped to actually understand.
1496586;1467588437;mircea_popescu;shut up gentoo boy! unlike that pos, this actually works for a decade once settled down. and the settling down is a few hours not a few weeks.
1496587;1467588456;mircea_popescu;arguably more useful, also.
1496588;1467588457;asciilifeform;my other thing also works
1496589;1467588459;asciilifeform;and similarly
1496590;1467588466;asciilifeform;and is precisely what i was trying to avoid
1496591;1467588469;asciilifeform;when making 2nd www.
1496592;1467588483;asciilifeform;if i wanted massive 7yo pile of hand-tuned shit, i would just copy old site
1496593;1467588506;mircea_popescu;yeah vhell! gl avoiding computing in this life.
1496594;1467588511;mircea_popescu;maybe our children. if we had any.
1496595;1467588744;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how does the comments ending in displayed AND at the same time in 'pending' have anything to do with my theme ?
1496596;1467588809;mircea_popescu;there;'s no "displayed" though. there's All | Pending (4) | Approved | Spam (15,875)
1496597;1467588865;asciilifeform;hm they only display from the ip of the poster dont they.
1496598;1467588923;asciilifeform;so that answers my q
1496599;1467588928;asciilifeform;all comments seem to get queued
1496600;1467588930;asciilifeform;why ?
1496601;1467588990;mircea_popescu;well no, the spam one didn't get queued.
1496602;1467589015;mircea_popescu;but yes, dubious comments get queued, so you can approve them or not. once you approve some, the dubiousness evaluator gets better.
1496603;1467589023;mircea_popescu;you rarely have to approve the same person twice.
1496604;1467589041;mircea_popescu;gotta appreciate, you just made this, so everyone's yet a stranger.
1496605;1467589181;mircea_popescu;anyway, fi on trilema just now, i had to approve that Anonimescu;s fellow first comment ; as he never was seen before. his subsequent ones, i didn't need to touch.
1496606;1467589200;mircea_popescu;you can prolly fiddle with the knobs to make this work more to your liking, but in my experience it's ~perfect.
1496607;1467589295;phf;mircea_popescu: what's the point of wp-includes/js/.htaccess?
1496608;1467589344;asciilifeform;this thing is catastrophically broken
1496609;1467589350;asciilifeform;the spam counter shows '1'
1496610;1467589353;asciilifeform;but it isn't clickable
1496611;1467589354;asciilifeform;and i cannot zero it
1496612;1467589592;mircea_popescu;phf prolly to limit access to javascript ?
1496613;1467589640;mircea_popescu;seems more like a passive "bury this shit" measure than anything else. who's to trust js.
1496614;1467589654;mircea_popescu;anyway, ill be off to partay, tty darlings laters.
1496615;1467589663;asciilifeform;this shit dun work.
1496616;1467589838;asciilifeform;phf: does yours also show a non-zeroable spam counter ?
1496617;1467589854;phf;let me try it out
1496618;1467589858;phf;i'm fixing some warnings
1496619;1467589872;phf;i'm hacking on PHP with VIM, i feel so deliciously white trash
1496620;1467590123;phf;asciilifeform: you mind commenting on http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/ for me to try it out
1496621;1467590180;asciilifeform;posted
1496622;1467590182;asciilifeform;'awaiting mod'
1496623;1467590202;phf;ok i see it
1496624;1467590226;phf;i marked it as spam
1496625;1467590232;phf;it is now in spam
1496626;1467590235;asciilifeform;now reload panel
1496627;1467590238;asciilifeform;and see if spam is clickable
1496628;1467590239;asciilifeform;mine isn't.
1496629;1467590243;asciilifeform;i have an eternal spam.
1496630;1467590260;phf;like spam link?
1496631;1467590267;phf;Spam (1) thing in that top bar?
1496632;1467590271;asciilifeform;aha that one
1496633;1467590275;asciilifeform;not clickable in my panel.
1496634;1467590278;asciilifeform;even though it is a 1.
1496635;1467590279;phf;it's clickable
1496636;1467590291;asciilifeform;oh huh
1496637;1467590294;asciilifeform;the 1 is clickable
1496638;1467590298;asciilifeform;the 'spam' is not
1496639;1467590302;asciilifeform;unlike in my actual blog
1496640;1467590304;asciilifeform;motherfuckers.
1496641;1467590310;phf;that is ~odd~
1496642;1467590366;phf;in fact i could send it to spam, and then approve and it appears where it's supposed to be
1496643;1467590376;asciilifeform;well at least thing is ~usable now.
1496644;1467590380;asciilifeform;with pig-ugly theme.
1496645;1467591059;asciilifeform;lel the domain suddenly stopped resolving.
1496646;1467591069;asciilifeform;phf: are you able to load ?
1496647;1467591093;phf;yes
1496648;1467591100;phf;can still see front page
1496649;1467591102;asciilifeform;hm
1496650;1467591102;asciilifeform;worx
1496651;1467591103;asciilifeform;now
1496652;1467596237;phf;mircea_popescu: it seems like you have some totally custom avatar logic on trilema? do you have patches for that?
1496653;1467598074;mircea_popescu;phf there's two main points of the split between mp-wp and automattic-wp. one is that i shot the akismet idiocy in the head (mp-wp antispam system works way the fuck better, and doesn't you know, run arbitrary code from the automattic equivalent of disqus, shambling abominable horror of untold proportions).
1496654;1467598092;mircea_popescu;the other is that instead of calling gravatar, it just puts out avatar.png from commenter's webpage.
1496655;1467598112;mircea_popescu;because gravatar thing is utter bullshit also. but i'm not terribly convinced this scheme's so great either.
1496656;1467598131;asciilifeform;fwiw my old site uses the ancient evils.
1496657;1467598136;asciilifeform;mostly works.
1496658;1467598137;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1496659;1467598151;phf;so it's <?php echo $comment_author_url; ?>/avatar.png or you go to top level domain?
1496660;1467598159;mircea_popescu;lemme look.
1496661;1467598216;mircea_popescu;phf o it parses the whole thing check this crazy out
1496662;1467598284;mircea_popescu;$url_parsed = parse_url($comment->comment_author_url);
1496663;1467598284;mircea_popescu;$url = "http://".$url_parsed["host"].$url_parsed["path"];
1496664;1467598285;mircea_popescu;if ($comment->user_id==1)  echo "<img alt='",$comment->comment_author,"`s avatar' src='http://trilema.com/avatar.png' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' />"; else if ($url_parsed["host"].$url_parsed["path"] > "")  echo "<img alt='",$comment->comment_author,"`s avatar' src='",str_replace("//avatar.png","/avatar.png",$url."/avatar.png' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' />"); else echo "<im
1496665;1467598285;mircea_popescu;g alt='",$comment->comment_author,"`s avatar' src='",$comment->comment_author_url,"http://trilema.com/default_avatar.png' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' />";
1496666;1467598314;mircea_popescu;at the rate we're going, #trilema is going to end up in google for php queries huh.
1496667;1467598347;deedbot;[Qntra] Public Transit Bugged For Audio In US - http://qntra.net/2016/07/public-transit-bugged-for-audio-in-us/
1496668;1467598360;phf;we're going to start getting random people with nonexistent english comprehension going "kind sir or madam please help wordpress plugin"
1496669;1467598494;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/07/public-transit-bugged-for-audio-in-us/#comment-63010
1496670;1467598622;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1496637 << exactly the sort of theme "cleverness"
1496671;1467598622;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 23:58 asciilifeform: the 1 is clickable
1496672;1467598681;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496656 << your old site also has captcha for comments ; which has prevented me from commenting there for these many years.
1496673;1467598681;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 02:08 asciilifeform: fwiw my old site uses the ancient evils.
1496674;1467598695;phf;mircea_popescu: which file was the above lifted from?
1496675;1467598698;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how you imagine making a monkey out of the reader's acceptable or anything.
1496676;1467598766;mircea_popescu;phf same comments.php in my theme ; but in general wherever the theme outputs comments
1496677;1467598812;ben_vulpes;excellent scrollback
1496678;1467598815;ben_vulpes;toppest of kek
1496679;1467598819;mircea_popescu;lol
1496680;1467598835;phf;today on trilema we're regressing!
1496681;1467598835;ben_vulpes;'mircea_popescu and friends wordpressinate with mixed results'
1496682;1467598880;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes "what started as a channel dedicated to lisp and assorted snobbery totally devolved into apache and php club"
1496683;1467599032;ben_vulpes;#trilema goes slummin
1496684;1467599050;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/07/public-transit-bugged-for-audio-in-us/#comment-63011
1496685;1467599096;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: have you considered an org mode -> html export?
1496686;1467599264;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://66.media.tumblr.com/f6ffd92ab7b75d2e2b325e7482edc21d/tumblr_nrx0wpcYNT1txs21yo3_500.gif
1496687;1467600154;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o btw, got a gpgram for me ?
1496688;1467602393;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aaaalmost. tomorrow when i wake.
1496689;1467602397;deedbot;[Qntra] Latest Fork Noise Arrives On Schedule - http://qntra.net/2016/07/latest-fork-noise-arrives-on-schedule/
1496690;1467602401;BingoBoingo;^ USG loves their 1980's branding tricks
1496691;1467602409;asciilifeform;blew most of today on these atrocities.
1496692;1467602442;mircea_popescu;works!
1496693;1467602454;mircea_popescu;lol nice bb
1496694;1467602483;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/nearly/
1496695;1467602514;BingoBoingo;ty
1496696;1467602543;mircea_popescu;too much failed in one paragraph tho. "their beloved if irrelevant" ?
1496697;1467602629;BingoBoingo;aha
1496698;1467602707;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i got a thing from the realtor with bigger, thicker house, in what looks like perfect condition, for ~half the price of the ruin. picture in what kind of kandahar it must be
1496699;1467602719;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: fxd to "stillborn"
1496700;1467602731;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Very cool!
1496701;1467603057;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496689   <<< I liek BingoBoingo
1496702;1467603057;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 03:19 deedbot: [Qntra] Latest Fork Noise Arrives On Schedule - http://qntra.net/2016/07/latest-fork-noise-arrives-on-schedule/
1496703;1467603071;BingoBoingo;ty
1496704;1467603678;BingoBoingo;100% upvoted! https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4r5ax7/another_attempt_to_socially_engineer_a_fork/
1496705;1467604070;mircea_popescu;scam
1496706;1467604169;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496670 << theme doesn't work in control panel
1496707;1467604169;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 02:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1496637 << exactly the sort of theme "cleverness"
1496708;1467604195;mircea_popescu;hm
1496709;1467604210;mircea_popescu;it must because my whole spam thing is clickable.
1496710;1467604266;asciilifeform;my 2.8.6 was also.
1496711;1467604276;asciilifeform;but the version mircea_popescu posted only has the digit clickable.
1496712;1467604278;asciilifeform;i have nfi.
1496713;1467604308;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496672 << it suxx mightily
1496714;1467604308;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 02:18 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496656 << your old site also has captcha for comments ; which has prevented me from commenting there for these many years.
1496715;1467604313;asciilifeform;but so does the whole shebang.
1496716;1467604319;asciilifeform;wordpress is loathesome.
1496717;1467604331;mircea_popescu;trilema is quite pleasant, on all scores.
1496718;1467604344;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496685 << no. because it is 1 step away from hand-churned html.
1496719;1467604344;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 02:24 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: have you considered an org mode -> html export?
1496720;1467604366;asciilifeform;it is not physically impossible to make decent thing where one can post via www browser.
1496721;1467604368;asciilifeform;but no one has done it.
1496722;1467604457;mircea_popescu;trilema! omaygerd.
1496723;1467604462;mircea_popescu;you're such a hater you know.
1496724;1467604596;asciilifeform;wc -l wp-mp/**
1496725;1467604597;asciilifeform;...
1496726;1467604603;asciilifeform;7028 total
1496727;1467604622;asciilifeform;that's...
1496728;1467604625;asciilifeform;1/7th of a 'Doom'
1496729;1467604641;mircea_popescu;nobody spetn as much time playing doom as it'd take to read trilema.
1496730;1467604667;*;asciilifeform might have.
1496731;1467604770;mircea_popescu;no way you read that whole thing ?!
1496732;1467604781;asciilifeform;definitely not all the ro, yet.
1496733;1467604787;asciilifeform;pretty sure i got all the engl
1496734;1467604791;mircea_popescu;i was thinking
1496735;1467604799;mircea_popescu;well yeah but the ro is 5 years and the engl 2.
1496736;1467604803;asciilifeform;tru!
1496737;1467604820;mircea_popescu;and i think i was a lot more verbose back then, too.
1496738;1467604830;mircea_popescu;possibly higher snr tho, i guess.
1496739;1467604948;deedbot;[Qntra] First Anniversary of BIP 66 Clusterfuck - http://qntra.net/2016/07/first-anniversary-of-bip-66-clusterfuck/
1496740;1467605229;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo good!
1496741;1467605411;BingoBoingo;ty
1496742;1467605434;mircea_popescu;" revealed to much lulz that many miners were using a simplified form of verification when they were selecting blocks to build off of which lead to splits when it turned out "soft" forks aren't so soft." << " revealed that many miners were using simplified (and dysfunctional) chain verification, to abundant lols and chain splits. Turns out "soft" forks aren't all that soft!" ?
1496743;1467605447;mircea_popescu;which led to*\
1496744;1467605704;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1496745;1467605713;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495490 << I'm trying to blog everyday. It's hard, I'm not a writer by trade, although people keep cheering me on, so for the readers out there thanks for that.
1496746;1467605713;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:19 mircea_popescu: lol thestringpuller been a busy little blogger lately has he
1496747;1467605730;mircea_popescu;good for you.
1496748;1467605754;thestringpuller;it's kept me from davout follow up interview tho :(
1496749;1467608040;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1496750;1467608042;gribble;Current Blocks: 419208 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 119 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 19 hours, 41 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1496751;1467627782;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496653 << one major advantage of this, by the way, is that mp-wp comment count (references for eg in places like http://trilema.com/2016/why-is-that/#comment-117921 < ) is actually accurate, minus the 15k or so sample spam pieces there's >100k human comments on trilema ; akismet-based popular blogs, that on occasion reach six figures like trilema, also count every single spam piece they ever
1496752;1467627783;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 02:07 mircea_popescu: phf there's two main points of the split between mp-wp and automattic-wp. one is that i shot the akismet idiocy in the head (mp-wp antispam system works way the fuck better, and doesn't you know, run arbitrary code from the automattic equivalent of disqus, shambling abominable horror of untold proportions).
1496753;1467627783;mircea_popescu; receive in that total, meaning that out of 100k they rarely actually published as many as 1k comments. the rest's just spam.
1496754;1467627848;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496683 << i'm not even sure that's true, ftr. php is actually a fine language FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. hypertext preprocessor ffs! it's not even a language, as such! just a preprocessor, like an early scripting language.
1496755;1467627849;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 02:23 ben_vulpes: #trilema goes slummin
1496756;1467627885;mircea_popescu;its crowning achievement is, no doubt, the blog. this is what php exists to do, blog software. not, ironically, "forum" (ie, web-replacement bbs) software, which is what it's mostly used to do.
1496757;1467627918;mircea_popescu;that requires users and sessions, neither of which is php capable to handle at all. but notice that blogs DO NOT require users, nor do they need sessions. nor, for that matter, cookies.
1496758;1467628008;mircea_popescu;yet again there was a right thing to do (network of blogs) and a fucktardedly wrong thing to do (www-"forum") and the shithead community chose to do the wrong one. for obvious social reasons, it's way the fuck harder to write a blog than to "participate" in a "consensus".
1496759;1467628022;mircea_popescu;everywhere you turn with this already. a sickening display.
1496760;1467632345;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1496215 << incidentally shinohai i dunno if you're looking to go into the coding side of things, but if so this may be just the thing for you ?
1496761;1467632345;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 19:40 mircea_popescu: also - if anyone feels like undertaking maintenance for this, on like a V tree and everything, i wouldn't be at all against.
1496762;1467633238;shinohai;mircea_popescu: you need someone to maintain a vanilla wp setup?
1496763;1467633255;mircea_popescu;more like, to fix wp into perfection.
1496764;1467633285;shinohai;To me that would mean stripping as much crud as humanly possible lol.
1496765;1467633311;mircea_popescu;exacly
1496766;1467633376;mircea_popescu;and make it v'd. anyway, more than willing to mentor you along, you wouldn't be stepping into abyss.
1496767;1467633440;shinohai;Sounds good to me, is that tar.gz mentioned in link still available? I will pull it down when I get back from town this afternoon.
1496768;1467633451;mircea_popescu;aha a sec.
1496769;1467633485;shinohai;Actually I can d/l now while having tea
1496770;1467633492;mircea_popescu;uling a sec.
1496771;1467633614;shinohai;kk
1496772;1467633739;mircea_popescu;shinohai http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-mptargz-shinohai.gpg
1496773;1467633762;shinohai;thx!
1496774;1467633769;mircea_popescu;step 0 would be to apply phf's patches and get it up. step 1 would be to get everything (not the theme, everything else) into one single file, and have it still work.
1496775;1467633779;mircea_popescu;that'll make the crud obvious and simplify the task of cleannup.
1496776;1467633791;mircea_popescu;once you get that you genesis it as a V tree, and then patching can begin.
1496777;1467633797;mircea_popescu;make sense ?
1496778;1467633861;shinohai;Yeah makes sense, sounds like a plan.
1496779;1467633867;mircea_popescu;cool!
1496780;1467633954;shinohai;Encrypted with wrong gpg key tho mircea_popescu
1496781;1467633964;shinohai;That's my old cruddy key
1496782;1467633967;mircea_popescu;uh
1496783;1467633970;mircea_popescu;$key shinohai
1496784;1467633987;mircea_popescu;oksec.
1496785;1467634007;mircea_popescu;hm
1496786;1467634008;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/82befb78-4b1d-4b8f-91f8-d469bdc05897/
1496787;1467634022;BingoBoingo;lol triggurd http://qntra.net/2016/07/latest-fork-noise-arrives-on-schedule/#comment-63039
1496788;1467634063;shinohai;BingoBoingo: I probably get 4-5 nasty DM's a day on twitter calling me the same thing xD
1496789;1467634089;BingoBoingo;Oh, I don't get those, but also rarely visit twatter anymoar
1496790;1467634096;shinohai;I guess I should an hero because I believe scarcity in blocks is good.
1496791;1467634117;mircea_popescu;shinohai http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-mptargz-shinohai1.gpg
1496792;1467634121;shinohai;ty
1496793;1467634140;mircea_popescu;lulziest about this block thing is the derpy miners arguing against their interest on the basis of social media gargle.
1496794;1467634271;shinohai;I have a script that auto posts Qntra stories, and occasionally use twitter to troll. But I have less and less time for that anymore.
1496795;1467634335;shinohai;And that one worked fine mircea_popescu thx
1496796;1467634346;mircea_popescu;win.
1496797;1467634472;shinohai;So if I understand correctly, you want a single page, e.g. wordpress.php that does almost everything.
1496798;1467634534;mircea_popescu;everything except the theme stuff. that should be in theme.php
1496799;1467634545;mircea_popescu;(best import phf's basic theme so you can see shit works)
1496800;1467634624;shinohai;reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4r43ps/chinas_major_influence_over_bitcoin/d4yjy7t   <<< Butterin "I can't fix Ethereum but this is how I would fix segwit"
1496801;1467634634;mircea_popescu;lmao. idiot.
1496802;1467636331;mircea_popescu;but anyway, asciilifeform 's prediction proceeding right on schedule. the "indepedndent" usg tool and "ethereum developer" finds time to discuss bitcoin as that "innovative project" burns to the ground. because truly it wasn't all about trying to fuck up bitcoin all along. nothing of the sort, ethereum was a serious effort by serious people with their own heads and etc.
1496803;1467636357;mircea_popescu;too bad the bad bitcoin wolf fucked it all up for them.
1496804;1467636365;mircea_popescu;poor innocent darlings.
1496805;1467636516;mircea_popescu;in other cvasi-lulz, ro whore, ex wife & baby's momma of ro footballer, discussing their split-up : "you can't make a whore into a housewife ; nor an athlete into a respectable man"
1496806;1467636667;shinohai;All whores must be kept on leash.
1496807;1467636784;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1496808;1467636809;mircea_popescu;the young ones, i guess. but in principle, the definition of a whore is exactly that : woman that's fine naked.
1496809;1467636824;mircea_popescu;sort-of like alf's dream, can parachute her with no resources on island, will be fine.
1496810;1467640265;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f8acef87-2c1d-4a40-bee8-e0c46f343fca/?raw=true
1496811;1467640266;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1496812;1467640376;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu now that i think about it, there was another reboot other than the scheduled one. and it was outlined in the l0gz. so not quite 3m.
1496813;1467640376;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1496814;1467640441;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496802 << l0l aha.
1496815;1467640441;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 12:45 mircea_popescu: but anyway, asciilifeform 's prediction proceeding right on schedule. the "indepedndent" usg tool and "ethereum developer" finds time to discuss bitcoin as that "innovative project" burns to the ground. because truly it wasn't all about trying to fuck up bitcoin all along. nothing of the sort, ethereum was a serious effort by serious people with their own heads and etc.
1496816;1467640494;asciilifeform;ahahahaha this is gold:
1496817;1467640516;asciilifeform;buterin: 'Remove the signature from a transaction (ie. set the field to the empty string) before computing its hash for the purposes of future transactions consuming that UTXO [alternatively, I like the idea of adding new OP_CHECKSIG-like opcodes that do this so that this new transaction type can be made backward-compatible]'
1496818;1467640525;mircea_popescu;aha.
1496819;1467640528;mircea_popescu;riiight along
1496820;1467640602;mircea_popescu;anyway, swan's song. they know he's exposed ; gave up and are burning the asset.
1496821;1467640635;mircea_popescu;50-50 odds it's even the physical buterin, the guy with the misshapen skull, actually writing the item.
1496822;1467640645;asciilifeform;dunno that the folks at the printolade shop got the memo yet tho
1496823;1467640666;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you mean poloniex, it's been in wash trading mode for a week +
1496824;1467640683;mircea_popescu;it's "going down" in the hopes of capturing the occasional dizzy derp. not going too well.
1496825;1467640696;asciilifeform;sad mousetrap, stale cheese
1496826;1467640703;mircea_popescu;~nobody outside of mit & friends holds any tokens.
1496827;1467640764;asciilifeform;lel the linked nyt article is actually a massive ad for 'chainalysis', umpteenth attempt at taintatron
1496828;1467640777;mircea_popescu;nicely mirroring the situation a year+ ago, when i couldn't find any owners to borrow from for the life of me.
1496829;1467640820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform brontosaurus gotta graze. can has hay ? no ? can has grass ? no ? then can has hay ? no ? then can has grass ? no ? how about lettuce ? fern ? hay ? grass ? lettuce ?
1496830;1467640907;asciilifeform;l0lz
1496831;1467640915;asciilifeform;from same rag, hilarious, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/04/nyregion/in-new-jersey-student-loan-program-even-death-may-not-bring-a-reprieve.html
1496832;1467640940;asciilifeform;'...after her son’s unsolved murder... “Please accept our condolences on your loss,” a letter from that agency, the Higher Education Student Assistance Authority, said. “After careful consideration of the information you provided, the authority has determined that your request does not meet the threshold for loan forgiveness. Monthly bill statements will continue to be sent to you.”'
1496833;1467640977;mircea_popescu;incidentally, re teh state of the bitcoin - lettuce not allow all the countless things we're doing distract. even if the summer of forks was defeated politically, so we blessfully didn't have to fight the battle on the technological field, mod6 still needs all the help he can get.
1496834;1467641002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not remarkable, woman cosigned on a loan. this is the point of cosignature.
1496835;1467641017;asciilifeform;betcha the cow had nfi
1496836;1467641033;asciilifeform;though, ianal, does death == default in usa ?
1496837;1467641046;mircea_popescu;how would it ?
1496838;1467641052;asciilifeform;for purposes of cosigning
1496839;1467641069;mircea_popescu;default for the purposes of cosigning means the cosigner pays.
1496840;1467641096;mircea_popescu;that's what a guarantoor does : "give x this much, and if he won't pay, i will". it's an ancient institution, the piece of shakespeare i butchered revolves around it.
1496841;1467641103;asciilifeform;ok so 'if he won't pay'
1496842;1467641110;asciilifeform;(died, martians abducted, lost at sea, etc)
1496843;1467641110;mircea_popescu;well he ain't payin', is he now.
1496844;1467641132;asciilifeform;then makes sense.
1496845;1467641144;mircea_popescu;yeah. i mean sure, it's cowsy interest "human piece" etc.
1496846;1467641172;mircea_popescu;but as far as any possibility of working anything is concerned, there's nothing remarkable here. "i made my bed on highway, got run over".
1496847;1467641212;asciilifeform;appears to be a recurring theme in 'hyoooman interest' pieces from the volkischer beobachter
1496848;1467641242;mircea_popescu;aha
1496849;1467641263;mircea_popescu;"let's break things for stupid people". recurring theme of "modern democracy" altogether ; so much so it's obviously at the core of the stupidity involved.
1496850;1467641305;asciilifeform;civilizations that outlive their will to live, undergo this autolysis
1496851;1467641313;mircea_popescu;anyway, sane people, which is to say business people, take insurance in such a deal. whether the principal is a dumb kid or a warehouse, you insure against it's destruction specifically so you don'tend up in this "guarantor pays through no fault".
1496852;1467641315;asciilifeform;where 'why do we need baths? let's take apart for bricks'
1496853;1467641327;mircea_popescu;she was more than likely offered life insurance for the kid, declined it to save 25 bux a month or w/e
1496854;1467641375;mircea_popescu;that part, of course, needn't be mentioned, because "who cares more about sanity than '''people themselves''' is the bad thing mkay!"
1496855;1467641465;mircea_popescu;anyway, to bridge this to finance : this is the fundamental difference between shares and bonds. a bond is owed on irrespective of how the business does ; shares only fraction of what the business did.
1496856;1467641479;mircea_popescu;the woman is trying to convert bondholders on a lossy entreprise into shareholders, because of course she would.
1496857;1467641503;asciilifeform;well not the muppet per se
1496858;1467641506;mircea_popescu;reason scamcoins / forum scams always go the same way is, basically, this woman. stupid people are all stupid the same.
1496859;1467641508;asciilifeform;the muppetteer.
1496860;1467641521;asciilifeform;who did the crud lending in the first place
1496861;1467641523;mircea_popescu;who's who and how you reason in this model ?
1496862;1467641539;mircea_popescu;hey, business is business. the fool's never on the tender side of any bargain.
1496863;1467641552;asciilifeform;the folks who carried on the college racket, if the godz gave them half a brain, know that the money ain't coming back
1496864;1467641563;mircea_popescu;(business closes as acceptance of tender - so between a tenderer and an acceptor)
1496865;1467641577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is not legitimately their concern in capitalismus.
1496866;1467641595;asciilifeform;it is being made 'illigitimately' their concern.
1496867;1467641608;mircea_popescu;notrly, taxpayer bails them out!
1496868;1467641617;asciilifeform;well yes.
1496869;1467641625;mircea_popescu;but yes, the whole thing's dead, we're debating which dead cell's at fault in the dead tissue.
1496870;1467641628;mircea_popescu;i dunno. necrosis ? korea ?
1496871;1467641633;asciilifeform;my understanding is that the details of who precisely will be bailed out, and who - haircut - are being worked.
1496872;1467641654;mircea_popescu;in fairness, once bailing begins, the details are forever being worked until everyone is dead.
1496873;1467641659;mircea_popescu;hence the end of my three emperors story.
1496874;1467641742;asciilifeform;somewhat related, the firms that broker the bmore shit houses all offer... mortgages! yes, on $10,000 house! pay fiddybux/mo forever!1111
1496875;1467641779;mircea_popescu;it's actually a good deal, there.
1496876;1467641786;mircea_popescu;just make sure it's not adjustable.
1496877;1467641874;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://github.com/henryboldi/felony ; https://github.com/henryboldi/felony/issues/11
1496878;1467641879;asciilifeform;^ there seems to be no end of these.
1496879;1467641955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wasn't the Framedragger_ lot ~20mn keys ?
1496880;1467642078;mircea_popescu;and in other news, the pigs eat well tonight. http://67.media.tumblr.com/026a0d28b07c7bebd6c753af261b3f1e/tumblr_nyjpv7Xjyt1swadgjo1_1280.jpg
1496881;1467642204;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cannot easily count the whole lot, ls barfs 'argument list too long'
1496882;1467642212;asciilifeform;the unix way!11111111111
1496883;1467642449;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496754 << facebook ruined. they use so much PHP they invented HipHop a PHP compiler. Yes, they compile PHP code to C to make it run faster.
1496884;1467642449;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 10:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496683 << i'm not even sure that's true, ftr. php is actually a fine language FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. hypertext preprocessor ffs! it's not even a language, as such! just a preprocessor, like an early scripting language.
1496885;1467642485;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: counted, 10609285 keys.
1496886;1467642506;thestringpuller;https://github.com/facebook/hhvm << yes this is a real thing.
1496887;1467642655;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1496888;1467642656;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1496889;1467642703;gabriel_laddel;dija ask mod6 for a virtual tour of the property yet?
1496890;1467642714;asciilifeform;whatcha talking about gabriel_laddel
1496891;1467642784;mircea_popescu;hm.
1496892;1467642796;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491774
1496893;1467642797;a111;Logged on 2016-06-28 03:38 mod6: <+asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i lived in a ~hole for 20 yrs. << you can come live in my basement if you're tired of paying rent. i've even got a garden. :]
1496894;1467642798;mircea_popescu;Framedragger_ do i misremember the count ?
1496895;1467642820;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform holy shit what is wrong with this crap. who. WHO!!!! can think ls may say that.
1496896;1467642821;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you really gotta read the l0gz
1496897;1467642826;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ikr ?
1496898;1467642832;mircea_popescu;for fuck's sake.
1496899;1467642835;gabriel_laddel;oh I did, hence my asking
1496900;1467642851;mircea_popescu;why not you knwo, "an unspecified specification has eggoged. please retry to abort."
1496901;1467642876;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: the original 'hole' comment was about how i lived as ~hermit for long time. not about crappy flats (in which i also once lived, but no longer.)
1496902;1467642916;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: if I buy you a shed like the one in timasora, and mod6 installs it on his property, will you please just go live there and save money?
1496903;1467642936;asciilifeform;i dun want to live in a shed. or in some fella's basement. etc
1496904;1467642948;asciilifeform;i live in a house, with windows, sunlight, locking doors, and intend to continue living in houses.
1496905;1467642956;asciilifeform;this is hard concept for gabriel_laddel ?
1496906;1467642985;asciilifeform;'my truck eats too much petrol, i'ma look for a new truck' 'here have this bicycle!1111' 'but it won't carry cement' 'HAVE BICYCLE'
1496907;1467643020;gabriel_laddel;$s People generally wish to be rich for all sorts of reasons and mental constructions that scarcely survive the transformative process which becoming rich entails
1496908;1467643020;a111;0 results for "People generally wish to be rich for all sorts of reasons and mental constructions that scarcely survive the transformative process which becoming rich entails", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=People%20generally%20wish%20to%20be%20rich%20for%20all%20sorts%20of%20reasons%20and%20mental%20constructions%20that%20scarcely%20survive%20the%20transformative%20process%20which%20becoming%20rich%20entails
1496909;1467643051;asciilifeform;very few folks ~actually~ want to be rich. only 'not poor.'
1496910;1467643088;asciilifeform;(being rich, as an ongoing concern, is something quite like hard work. as mircea_popescu describes. not all that far from mixing cement.)
1496911;1467643316;mircea_popescu;honestly i can't complain. as the saying goes on shittycustomers.com, "it's easy if you know what you're doing".
1496912;1467643507;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484314 << confirmed.
1496913;1467643507;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 20:36 Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah so i'll prolly end up dumping 10M ssh keys on phuctor's ass, via its web interface. i wonder if phuctor can handle parallel requests, to a point :P i won't be an asshole about it.
1496914;1467643854;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: except that it was not via www interface
1496915;1467643858;asciilifeform;he send me giant tarball
1496916;1467643863;mircea_popescu;ya just meant the count
1496917;1467643865;asciilifeform;and it is being fed in, since.
1496918;1467643865;asciilifeform;aha.
1496919;1467644162;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you can live in the guest house. it's like a shed but with windows, and a kitchen, and a bathroom.
1496920;1467644171;thestringpuller;but then again most people wouldn't call it a shed.....
1496921;1467644175;asciilifeform;why the FUCK would i want to do any such thing.
1496922;1467644257;gabriel_laddel;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-08#914604
1496923;1467644257;a111;Logged on 2014-11-08 01:50 mircea_popescu: dawg, just make those cardanos so we can sell em and that's it, let some other unfortunate soul extract himself with bountee.
1496924;1467644358;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: how does that plug in ?
1496925;1467644371;mircea_popescu;hey, wadda ya want! alf is ~still~ making his original gf from back when he was 15 a pasta dinner. he just had to go to college first, find another woman, and other details.
1496926;1467644401;*;mircea_popescu pictures 35yo woman waiting patiently for that damned pasta for the past ~20 years
1496927;1467644406;mircea_popescu;"it'd better be al fucking dente!"
1496928;1467644437;gabriel_laddel;Look, I don't have your personal ledger in front of me, but wouldn't paying ZERO in rent save you a lot, even if you only do it for a year and your pet has to go live with her mother?
1496929;1467644443;shinohai;After 35 years I'd wager it was as mushy as a virgin's vagina after a night in the mircea_popescu dungeon.
1496930;1467644448;asciilifeform;i don't eat charity, gabriel_laddel.
1496931;1467644457;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: sorry, what?
1496932;1467644462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not charity when between friends!
1496933;1467644490;asciilifeform;i don't ride bikes, live in cockroach flats, or do any of the 1,001 related young cocklet things
1496934;1467644497;mircea_popescu;shinohai virgins usually do poorly the first time in the dungeon. naive cunt petrifies readily.
1496935;1467644504;asciilifeform;this was gone over, in agonizing detail, in the thread with ben_vulpes's software co.
1496936;1467644526;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how are you going to make a boyfriend with that sort of attitude ?!
1496937;1467644536;asciilifeform;lel
1496938;1467644581;mircea_popescu;don't mind me, this convo reminded me of spirited not-yet-lawyeress many years ago. she, similarly, "i don't want your charity!" "fine, take your clothes off then and you'll have earned it."
1496939;1467644649;mircea_popescu;$up gabriel_laddel
1496940;1467644649;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1496941;1467644652;mircea_popescu;you still don't have a key ?!
1496942;1467644658;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot gabriel_laddel
1496943;1467644658;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1496944;1467644665;gabriel_laddel;nah, homeless atm and it is a bit of a pain to auth
1496945;1467644667;asciilifeform;yeah what happened to his key
1496946;1467644672;asciilifeform;homeless?!
1496947;1467644674;mircea_popescu;aqhahaha wait, what ?
1496948;1467644680;mircea_popescu;why don';t you live in your garden then ?!
1496949;1467644702;gabriel_laddel;because wtf, it isn't that difficult and somehow I manage to be fed + sleep indoors shave and whatnont?
1496950;1467644706;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: interested in baltimore ?
1496951;1467644707;*;mircea_popescu hadn't even seen the "and pet has to live with mother" part. EPIC.
1496952;1467644732;*;gabriel_laddel is currently shopping around for a USB drive that will hold all the masamune sources, as the current one is too small
1496953;1467644745;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: not even slightly
1496954;1467644760;mircea_popescu;in fairness, i sometimes do this, except never send pet to live with HER mother. i send her to live with the more sane female cousins of mine, learn the ropes of female sanity.
1496955;1467644778;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: it's mod6's garden, and not a garden, a basement
1496956;1467644792;gabriel_laddel;and alf has to pay exactly nothing
1496957;1467644810;mircea_popescu;and next year mod6 could come to alf's garden/basement.
1496958;1467644821;gabriel_laddel;then it wouldn't be charity. magic
1496959;1467644833;mircea_popescu;they could have like an itinerant seminar of luby transforms, functional analysis and convexity.
1496960;1467644882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i could teach you php and you could make rent money on fiverr in no time.
1496961;1467644895;mircea_popescu;will need to talk to phf for css though, i never went to that class.
1496962;1467644980;gabriel_laddel;kek
1496963;1467644984;mircea_popescu;in other nuts, someone should totally write a universal program improver, which takes any legal code, unrolls all for loops and reimplements them as if clauses ; and unrolls all if clauses and reimplements them as for loops.
1496964;1467644996;mircea_popescu;sort of "fuck you, workplace" website.
1496965;1467645398;deedbot;[Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2016-statement/
1496966;1467645435;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!
1496967;1467645452;asciilifeform;there are 'obfuscators' for various langs etc. but afaik nothing quite so monstrous.
1496968;1467645467;asciilifeform;i predict that it would be a smash hit tho.
1496969;1467645486;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: whatcha got against dear old baltimoralalabad ?
1496970;1467645501;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: Can't stand orcs.
1496971;1467645599;asciilifeform;ah i wondered if maybe it was the rubble, or the godforsaken remoteness from anything worthwhile
1496972;1467645652;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: but i did! determine! experimentally!111 that you dun have to be black to walk around bmore
1496973;1467645655;gabriel_laddel;Those are not really separable.
1496974;1467645657;asciilifeform;i was there, even took pet, nobody fired
1496975;1467645683;gabriel_laddel;lol
1496976;1467645705;gabriel_laddel;you can walk around the hood all you want while white
1496977;1467645728;gabriel_laddel;but must be willing to put up with having your stuff taken from time to time / "the knockout game"
1496978;1467645742;asciilifeform;the locals have own rhythm of life, mostly ignore martians; cars stop in the middle of streets, boys run out with 'cargo', deliver, run back; etc
1496979;1467645830;asciilifeform;i suppose if living there long enough, can catch a bullet, or jailed for bagging a protected species
1496980;1467645904;asciilifeform;but yes, my observations were of the amateur zoologist's, 'the bears did not bother me' sort.
1496981;1467646251;asciilifeform;l0l i also missed the 'mother' thing
1496982;1467646254;asciilifeform;lulzy
1496983;1467646272;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel needs to have a stern talk with his dope supplier
1496984;1467646293;asciilifeform;who, i suspect, is skimping on recrystallization/purification.
1496985;1467646962;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, it's necessarily machine-doable, and not even that hard. kinda low hanging fruit of evil.
1496986;1467646980;mircea_popescu;and yeah, imagine if applied on item 100k loc long.
1496987;1467646992;mircea_popescu;might make decent tshirt printage.
1496988;1467647000;asciilifeform;obfuscated c contest.
1496989;1467647009;mircea_popescu;more like omfg i can't take my eyes off your shirt.
1496990;1467647034;mircea_popescu;"she walks into a room and all anyone can think about is "...really ?!?!?!""
1496991;1467647056;asciilifeform;if (999999999999999) break;
1496992;1467647061;asciilifeform;l0l
1496993;1467647086;asciilifeform;more humanly, if (x == 999999999999999)
1496994;1467647151;asciilifeform;this reminds me of another 'idea' of mine
1496995;1467647154;asciilifeform;'anti-lint'
1496996;1467647164;asciilifeform;introduces off-by-ones, use-after-frees, etc. joys.
1496997;1467647890;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> i was there, even took pet, nobody fired << lmao!
1496998;1467647899;mircea_popescu;the notions people get from reddit/msm/etc.
1496999;1467647913;mircea_popescu;40 deaths/100k per year. who the fuck's gonna waste a bullet on you specifically.
1497000;1467647933;asciilifeform;well to be fair not so many folks are standing in line to be 41st
1497001;1467647945;mircea_popescu;what, it's a carnival booth ?
1497002;1467647976;asciilifeform;nfi
1497003;1467647987;asciilifeform;but nobody even so much as spat in my face.
1497004;1467648001;mircea_popescu;wtf, it's black not gypsy ghetto.
1497005;1467648028;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496981 << dat abort on error parser!
1497006;1467648028;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 15:30 asciilifeform: l0l i also missed the 'mother' thing
1497007;1467648051;asciilifeform;but judging by what the locals (of all colours) were doing with their time, i cannot properly apprehend the mental zone they live in, and would need some strong dope to even visit it
1497008;1467648068;mircea_popescu;why ?
1497009;1467648078;asciilifeform;like that old man who rolled electric wheelchair up, down, up, down, the street, swinging his hat
1497010;1467648090;mircea_popescu;korea.
1497011;1467648097;phf;he was just having fun, man
1497012;1467648107;asciilifeform;or the regiment of black dudes standing in a circle, doing ~nothing, for hours
1497013;1467648107;mircea_popescu;what, where do you expect carl force iv ends up ?
1497014;1467648118;mircea_popescu;they were producing rap album. neeext.
1497015;1467648128;phf;asciilifeform: they are having their own trilema, of the appropriate level
1497016;1467648135;asciilifeform;phf: must be !
1497017;1467648136;mircea_popescu;^
1497018;1467648151;mircea_popescu;anyone follow along the culture clash in that last article comments section ?
1497019;1467648156;asciilifeform;me.
1497020;1467648169;asciilifeform;brain-melting.
1497021;1467648171;mircea_popescu;at some point it gets to where i don't even.
1497022;1467648190;asciilifeform;i couldn't even begin to even.
1497023;1467648190;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, you put the prikoke in there ?
1497024;1467648195;asciilifeform;nah
1497025;1467648199;mircea_popescu;oh. hm.
1497026;1467648200;asciilifeform;just tuned in.
1497027;1467648209;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform maybe the solution is to odd.
1497028;1467648216;asciilifeform;yes!
1497029;1467648220;asciilifeform;incidentally i distinctly recall a ru ver of prikoke
1497030;1467648227;asciilifeform;but unable to turn it up in the l0gz
1497031;1467648294;mircea_popescu;neway, it's like sewing on old, sunbaked rag. the more you patch, the more it breaks.
1497032;1467648350;mircea_popescu;very reminescent of both the actual open sore repositories themselves, as well as that "nothing happener, sir" joke.
1497033;1467648353;mircea_popescu;you know it ?
1497034;1467648359;asciilifeform;hm?
1497035;1467648422;mircea_popescu;his lordship is called to london on urgent business ; leaves country house in hands of his chamberlain
1497036;1467648453;mircea_popescu;the next day calls, "is everything ok ? " "certainly sir, everything is in order" "so nothing happened ?" "well, sir, your little black dog. he died."
1497037;1467648459;mircea_popescu;"fifi ?! HOW ?"
1497038;1467648474;mircea_popescu;your triple crown purebreed stomped it down
1497039;1467648479;mircea_popescu;why was the horse running around ?
1497040;1467648490;mircea_popescu;we had to let the horses go when the roof was about to fall
1497041;1467648496;mircea_popescu;the roof to the stables ?! what ?
1497042;1467648501;mircea_popescu;yes, it caught fire from the house
1497043;1467648505;mircea_popescu;the house burned down ?!
1497044;1467648546;mircea_popescu;apparently a maid that was in the wake got horny as it often happens to young women at old people's funerals, while being vigurously used from behind turned over candlestick
1497045;1467648550;mircea_popescu;funeral ? what funeral ?
1497046;1467648562;mircea_popescu;that sorta thing.
1497047;1467648566;asciilifeform;http://a-pesni.org/drugije/markiza.htm << obligatory.
1497048;1467648576;asciilifeform;( i bet mircea_popescu knows the original fr version )
1497049;1467648587;mircea_popescu;guy comes with just a small comment, turns out doesn't distinguish clauses, has no definitions and etc.
1497050;1467648683;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5WdpSPeQUE
1497051;1467648697;asciilifeform;^ it! ^
1497052;1467648737;mircea_popescu;very popular in ro. dja recall the hruscov mis en scene ?
1497053;1467648752;asciilifeform;it is in the l0gz i think
1497054;1467648755;mircea_popescu;aha.
1497055;1467648758;asciilifeform;moscopol ?
1497056;1467648761;mircea_popescu;yup
1497057;1467648766;asciilifeform;then yes.
1497058;1467648914;mircea_popescu;it's a modern classic, very well constructed in counterpoint and a well fitted denouement
1497059;1467648919;mircea_popescu;musically pseaking.
1497060;1467648927;asciilifeform;quite.
1497061;1467648933;asciilifeform;i bet there is even chinese version somewhere.
1497062;1467649013;mircea_popescu;anyway ; the text is certainly ancient.
1497063;1467650521;phf;shinohai: i updated my patch http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/#update2
1497064;1467650638;asciilifeform;phf: 3133333333333337 macos 9 theme l0l
1497065;1467650648;phf;:D
1497066;1467650656;*;asciilifeform quite fond of it.
1497067;1467650817;ben_vulpes;aha that's just grand
1497068;1467650831;ben_vulpes;now those were some widgets.
1497069;1467650842;ben_vulpes;does anyone remember the sound effects?!
1497070;1467650847;asciilifeform;aha
1497071;1467650857;*;asciilifeform still runs emulator on occasion 
1497072;1467650877;ben_vulpes;what fer
1497073;1467650883;asciilifeform;various.
1497074;1467650914;asciilifeform;e.g., http://www.loper-os.org/?p=658
1497075;1467650992;phf;the theme was maid on mac os 9. took some screenshots, photoshoped it to size of kubrick's elements (header, vertically repeated background, footer), s/jpg/png/ in right places
1497076;1467651009;asciilifeform;neato
1497077;1467651021;asciilifeform;i'ma msdos, prolly.
1497078;1467651032;asciilifeform;when i get a chance.
1497079;1467651125;phf;*made
1497080;1467651147;phf;morning coffee problem
1497081;1467651882;ben_vulpes;http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/07/the-secret-startup-saved-healthcare-gov-the-worst-website-in-america/397784/?single_page=true << http://www.govtech.com/civic/IT-Showdown-Tech-Giants-Face-Off-Against-18F.html << today on silly-con valley fanboi newzfeed: "obab saved software!" vs "corporations that actually own procurement in usg begin to unravel 'disruptions' to government software
1497082;1467651884;ben_vulpes;procurement"
1497083;1467651909;ben_vulpes;eg "how dare a few kids try to stick a pinwheel in our jetstream"
1497084;1467656204;danielpbarron;!up idontgetit
1497085;1467656204;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1497086;1467656209;danielpbarron;$up idontgetit
1497087;1467656209;deedbot;idontgetit voiced for 30 minutes.
1497088;1467660706;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497063   <<< thx phf! Just got home, will review
1497089;1467660706;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 16:42 phf: shinohai: i updated my patch http://107.170.141.103/2016/wp-content-for-a/#update2
1497090;1467660834;phf;shinohai: if you unpack mp's tarball, unpack wp-content into it, apply the patch, you should end up with a working instance
1497091;1467660861;shinohai;Ah ok cool. Is db required?
1497092;1467660906;phf;yeah, it requires LAMP
1497093;1467660967;phf;shinohai: i literally just copy paste commands out of https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-linux-apache-mysql-php-lamp-stack-on-ubuntu and https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-install-wordpress-on-ubuntu-14-04 into a fresh instance of dubuntu
1497094;1467660996;phf;*obamtu
1497095;1467661023;shinohai;Sweet, coincidentally I have a fresh lamp setup to test on.
1497096;1467662360;mircea_popescu;davout am i wrong in suspecting you comprehend most php of anyone here ?
1497097;1467662558;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497075 << dudewhat!
1497098;1467662558;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 16:49 phf: the theme was maid on mac os 9. took some screenshots, photoshoped it to size of kubrick's elements (header, vertically repeated background, footer), s/jpg/png/ in right places
1497099;1467662717;mircea_popescu;this is already winning holy shit.
1497100;1467662753;*;mircea_popescu 's plan, if this wasn't already transparently obvious, is to convert the ball into unviersal serenissima-to-www convertor, call it serenity or whatever and be done with it.
1497101;1467662760;mircea_popescu;plug a hole ben_vulpes trinque etc all felt so far.
1497102;1467664174;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496952 << dude this "fix computing" project is a deadly land, worth traveling if only because it's a good death (TM) (R)
1497103;1467664174;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 15:05 gabriel_laddel is currently shopping around for a USB drive that will hold all the masamune sources, as the current one is too small
1497104;1467664182;trinque;my old boss ended up homeless too!
1497105;1467664225;mircea_popescu;wasn't anyone living close to him btw ? how about you fucking give him a thumb drive and charge it to me, i'll buy you a salad or something next we eat together.
1497106;1467664379;ben_vulpes;trinque: finally?
1497107;1467664392;trinque;ben_vulpes: lost home *first* then office
1497108;1467664423;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho
1497109;1467664452;ben_vulpes;yeah i heard that the last vestiges have finally been absorbed by something marginally profitable recently
1497110;1467664463;ben_vulpes;lease expired or some such
1497111;1467664519;trinque;to each his own complicated art-project / suicide I guess
1497112;1467664543;trinque;gabriel_laddel: if you need a gentoo box to hack on I don't mind having such a thing on my network somewhere, provided you have a thing to get into it
1497113;1467664550;ben_vulpes;art: if it's not masturbation, it's suicide!
1497114;1467664558;trinque;por que no los dos?
1497115;1467664582;ben_vulpes;aha, auto-erotic artsphixiation
1497116;1467664598;trinque;bahaha
1497117;1467665298;asciilifeform;or we could chip in to buy the fella a balticastle
1497118;1467665356;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/04/lenovo_scrambling_to_get_a_fix_for_bios_vuln
1497119;1467665369;asciilifeform;and https://github.com/Cr4sh/ThinkPwn
1497120;1467665386;asciilifeform;x86 delenda est.
1497121;1467665554;asciilifeform;'...a UEFI bug that can be exploited to disable firmware write-protection... The company says the vulnerable System Management Mode software came from an upstream BIOS vendor – making it likely that other vendors getting BIOS software from the same outlet will also be vulnerable.'
1497122;1467665608;asciilifeform;gotta luuuuuuv software 'write protect.'
1497123;1467665618;asciilifeform;instead of, y'know, the wp leg present on EVERY FLASH ROM EVER MADE
1497124;1467665621;asciilifeform;but used ~never.
1497125;1467665624;shinohai;ghehehehehehe
1497126;1467665648;asciilifeform;in other nyooz from same rag, fmri finally burns, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/07/03/mri_software_bugs_could_upend_years_of_research
1497127;1467665675;asciilifeform;^ i'ma guess the number of retracted dissertations, withdrawn tenures, etc. will be the usual
1497128;1467665676;asciilifeform;0
1497129;1467665812;asciilifeform;in yet other lulz, from same, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/27/ballot_stuffing_ref_petition
1497130;1467665834;asciilifeform;'Reg reader Rob has uncovered evidence that a botnet (i.e. automated computer program rather than human) is stuffing the second referendum ballot. There are 2,371 signatures from The Vatican - a place that only has a population of 1,000,” Rob notes. Also the json data shows 2735 signatures from the Antarctic and 23,694 signatures from North Korea.” A blackhat hacker from Syria claimed responsibility for the “hack” which he cl
1497131;1467665834;asciilifeform;aimed he was doing in order to show “your democracies are a joke”. He also claimed to be “voting like crazy” on this petition.'
1497132;1467666009;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497117 asciilifeform not if he weighs less than his gf.
1497133;1467666009;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 20:48 asciilifeform: or we could chip in to buy the fella a balticastle
1497134;1467666054;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do you have "a software bug" disable WRITE PROTECTION OMFG
1497135;1467666144;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform love that "could". COULD upend, you see. whenever title contains a question mark, the implied question is always to be answered in the negative ; when title contains painful topic to lizard hittler, could can always be replaced by "certainly, but we'll pretend otherwise"
1497136;1467666166;asciilifeform;likethat.
1497137;1467666201;mircea_popescu;anyway. statistical "science" is much like chastity-belt chastity.
1497138;1467666219;mircea_popescu;an accidental byproduct of the lazy minority.
1497139;1467666256;asciilifeform;also love the 'bug' ( in actuality, thoroughly rotten conceptual fabric )
1497140;1467666271;mircea_popescu;"The researchers used published fMRI results, and along the way they swipe the fMRI community for their “lamentable archiving and data-sharing practices” that prevent most of the discipline's body of work being re-analysed." don't wonder why.
1497141;1467666285;asciilifeform;but no, bug!11111, will be 'fixed', carry on.
1497142;1467666287;mircea_popescu;it's for the exact reason servers had to be broken in to get the "climate scientists'" data.
1497143;1467666307;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, their life, not yours or mine.
1497144;1467666345;*;mircea_popescu has been delighting in teaching very talented girl french!
1497145;1467666436;mircea_popescu;"So far more than 3.6 million people have signed up the petition on the parliament.uk website. Any petition with more than 100K votes is considered for debate in parliament, irrespective of its merits either way." << epic.
1497146;1467666461;mircea_popescu;anyone want the side project of introducing a petition to discuss whether the queen should be flogged naked at the gate of westminster abbey for being a nigger jewess ?
1497147;1467666472;mircea_popescu;put 100k votes on it, watch the fireworks.
1497148;1467666484;asciilifeform;nuffin will happen.
1497149;1467666501;asciilifeform;lizards follow rules when they feel like it.
1497150;1467666528;mircea_popescu;the uk prolly not relevant enough for anyone's time, but still, there it is.
1497151;1467666545;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wouldja stop with this "lalala i have my own hallucinated alt-reality plox partake" thing ?
1497152;1467666643;asciilifeform;hey nobody has to take my word for it. go, try, petition.
1497153;1467666657;asciilifeform;wake me up when queen flogged.
1497154;1467666732;mircea_popescu;lol.
1497155;1467666746;mircea_popescu;be that as it may, it's like very weaksauce trolling / a pretty cancerous forced meme by now
1497156;1467666926;asciilifeform;it is the sad reality of the wurkerz paradise where asciilifeform lives.
1497157;1467666973;asciilifeform;there was similar petition to fire obummer, here, it went to /dev/null.
1497158;1467666975;mircea_popescu;the problem here is that asciilifeform lives in a mostly self-created world.
1497159;1467666986;mircea_popescu;well, us doesn't have a rule that congress must discuss anything.
1497160;1467666999;asciilifeform;tru.
1497161;1467667033;mircea_popescu;da fuck cares whether queen gets flogged. there's much better looking, younger cunts with juicier tits lined up for the flogger, lizzie's not speshul.
1497162;1467667255;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, having the utterly irrelevant condo owner association meeting calling itself "the parliament" face the dilemma of either ignoring its own rule or else discussing whether queen should be flogged for being nigger jewess is exactly what a good blog article is made of.
1497163;1467667280;mircea_popescu;and also a fine comment on the state and aggregate value of the airstrip one economy : all it's good for, is to provide material for a blogger's article, in this manner.
1497164;1467667297;mircea_popescu;kinda sad end for the derps that irritated hitler, half a century later.
1497165;1467667314;asciilifeform;do we have a man in ol' blighty?
1497166;1467667326;asciilifeform;to do this deed
1497167;1467667338;mircea_popescu;does it matter where located ?
1497168;1467667345;asciilifeform;it might.
1497169;1467667355;*;mircea_popescu has nfi
1497170;1467667372;asciilifeform;prolly gotta rtfm
1497171;1467667383;mircea_popescu;myeah. well, that's what article research is all about.
1497172;1467667925;mircea_popescu;and speaking of the cancer that is killing, i give you boxxy! http://67.media.tumblr.com/54a213033482261ad155536f76c3e902/tumblr_nthdczE9Hh1upsme5o1_500.gif
1497173;1467668166;asciilifeform;l0l!
1497174;1467668226;BingoBoingo;$b 4
1497175;1467668373;BingoBoingo;A le https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4r5ax7/another_attempt_to_socially_engineer_a_fork/d4yhjnm
1497176;1467668390;BingoBoingo;Or in sane mode https://archive.is/ZoLUm
1497177;1467668422;mircea_popescu;lmao
1497178;1467668462;mircea_popescu;bonus points for the guy loathing self hating
1497179;1467668466;mircea_popescu;hopefully he's from la.
1497180;1467668533;BingoBoingo;More likely Ohio
1497181;1467668624;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so basically give it another ~yearish and qntra's gonna be all that's left ?
1497182;1467668681;BingoBoingo;Likely. I mean Coindesk will likely continue as the stagnant thing it is, but eventually if they stand still in the swamp long enough malaria will get them.
1497183;1467668682;mircea_popescu;Dammi tempu ca ti perciu.
1497184;1467668854;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo how did that go, "a man can live in the evereglades, where a man can hide an' never be found an' have no fear of the bayin' hound
1497185;1467668869;mircea_popescu;but better keep movin' an' don't stand still - if the skeeters don't get you the gators will."
1497186;1467668871;BingoBoingo;AHA
1497187;1467668962;BingoBoingo;Anyways there's also Ver's thing continuing along on all the Pinoy SEO USG.MIT can afford
1497188;1467668986;mircea_popescu;which looks like ~five pounds fireworks' worth.
1497189;1467668990;mircea_popescu;ie, 50 bux
1497190;1467669170;BingoBoingo;Eh, google doesn't hate them on the generic query "bitcoin news" because both words are in their url.
1497191;1467669262;mircea_popescu;google has no fucking clue.
1497192;1467669371;BingoBoingo;Of course. Came out of USG.Stanford
1497193;1467669493;mircea_popescu;back when it came out it was almost tmsr-level of good.
1497194;1467669497;mircea_popescu;then they went stupid.
1497195;1467669572;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497189   <<< or the amount of money he went apeshit over when he accidentally refunded a customer too much once.
1497196;1467669572;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 21:49 mircea_popescu: ie, 50 bux
1497197;1467669999;mircea_popescu;wasn't that like 3 btc in 2014 or somesuch ?
1497198;1467670120;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494027 << i lollered!
1497199;1467670120;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 01:07 adlai: last i checked, tmsr has an ex-salesman? or at least a blogger who blogs a lot about how to sell
1497200;1467670147;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494025 << jewwwwot is best wot
1497201;1467670147;a111;Logged on 2016-07-01 01:07 mircea_popescu: adlai apparently they ran out of jews in washington.
1497202;1467670208;pete_dushenski;in fact, you can tell there aren't many jews in alberta either. peeps be comin to me to broker / source aaaaall their shit atm.
1497203;1467670245;pete_dushenski;apartments, cars, websites, bitcoins, and so on and so forth.
1497204;1467670292;pete_dushenski;humourously, this is exactly what the inept local government is currently employing hundreds of mba grad mungaloids to do : "connect assets" and "bridge the social networks" something something
1497205;1467670316;*;pete_dushenski just had his ears filled with so much such inept buzzwordery he can barely hear himself think
1497206;1467670333;mats;is there an up to date guide to rolling trb on pogo's little-endian armv5?
1497207;1467670372;mats;i tried to run dpb's script after reading it and it puked a small hill of errors
1497208;1467670427;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497172 << you know your tumblr feed's getting spicier when you can swear you've seen mp's randostrange before
1497209;1467670427;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 21:32 mircea_popescu: and speaking of the cancer that is killing, i give you boxxy! http://67.media.tumblr.com/54a213033482261ad155536f76c3e902/tumblr_nthdczE9Hh1upsme5o1_500.gif
1497210;1467670439;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497206 << my original recipe still worx and will always work. use a recent trb tho.
1497211;1467670439;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 22:12 mats: is there an up to date guide to rolling trb on pogo's little-endian armv5?
1497212;1467670558;mats;'auto.sh'?
1497213;1467670568;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497194 << one can eat only so much idiotmoney before the radiation damage is felt
1497214;1467670568;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 21:58 mircea_popescu: then they went stupid.
1497215;1467670585;mats;or are you referring to this http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000050.html
1497216;1467670586;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497165 << Framedragger_ ? williamdunne ?
1497217;1467670586;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 21:21 asciilifeform: do we have a man in ol' blighty?
1497218;1467670620;shinohai;mats: Didja get pogo running?
1497219;1467670658;asciilifeform;mats: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000076.html
1497220;1467670661;mats;yeah, need a bitcoind for it nao
1497221;1467670674;shinohai;awesum
1497222;1467670701;mats;then its off to cook off fireworks
1497223;1467670723;mats;ok thanks asciilifeform
1497224;1467670729;asciilifeform;np
1497225;1467672339;mircea_popescu;o hey, today is "make america great again" day huh ?
1497226;1467672346;mircea_popescu;happy fireworks peeps.
1497227;1467672434;pete_dushenski;damndest thing : i was actually whistling the star spangled banner to myself while making my 3-egger breakfast omelette, quite out of the blue, and only several hours later recalled that it was colonial 'victory' day down south
1497228;1467672443;asciilifeform;lel i'm about to go and see
1497229;1467672446;asciilifeform;like every year.
1497230;1467672641;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: last year this time i had an entire beach of canadians singing poorly but enthusiastically the same
1497231;1467672670;ben_vulpes;then they decided they needed to sing 'oh canada' to make amends to themselves
1497232;1467672702;pete_dushenski;did they know the words ?
1497233;1467672708;*;pete_dushenski doesn't
1497234;1467672715;pete_dushenski;maybe 80%
1497235;1467672758;BingoBoingo;Fat privilege http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065094/Passenger-forced-stand-flight-seven-hours-400-POUND-man.html
1497236;1467672779;ben_vulpes;sadly, not really.
1497237;1467672787;ben_vulpes;double-sadly, it's not a particularly stirring anthem either.
1497238;1467672839;BingoBoingo;It's better with the third verse, the one PC censors keep cutting
1497239;1467672846;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: archive it? the jsbomination is strong with the daily mail
1497240;1467672865;BingoBoingo;Or jsut don't load the .js
1497241;1467672879;BingoBoingo;ANyways, baking https://archive.is/K37N3
1497242;1467673094;ben_vulpes;no js didn't work either!
1497243;1467673185;ben_vulpes;lol "their sensitivity level needs to change"
1497244;1467674651;BingoBoingo;$up xcfw748
1497245;1467674651;deedbot;xcfw748 voiced for 30 minutes.
1497246;1467674692;xcfw748;made some updates to qntra css. album includes updated desktop, sample of current/updated mobile https://imgur.com/a/j0yFS
1497247;1467674746;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] All the elements of the USSA prison-industrial complex, coming soon to a neighbourhood near you. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/04/all-the-elements-of-the-ussa-prison-industrial-complex-coming-soon-to-a-neighbourhood-near-you/
1497248;1467674870;pete_dushenski;with that, it's off to go check out houses
1497249;1467674906;BingoBoingo;xcfw748: Not bad, but no compelling benefit either. Someone else here did express interest in themes, so Matbe hang around an they'll show up?
1497250;1467675203;xcfw748;BingoBoingo thanks. since the work is already done, it couldn't hurt to drop it in and get a free facelift.
1497251;1467675246;xcfw748;also have work already, not looking to take on projects, just interested in tidying up qntra since i read it fairly often
1497252;1467675269;BingoBoingo;Well, I don't know you well enough to run your code, which is obstacles
1497253;1467675297;xcfw748;bah, css is harmless
1497254;1467675406;BingoBoingo;But is browser harmless?
1497255;1467675523;xcfw748;i certainly don't know enough to answer that, but i could paste the css somewhere for you if you'd like to check it out
1497256;1467675537;BingoBoingo;couldn't hurt
1497257;1467675581;BingoBoingo;Anyways I think css wanter hinted at compennsation, but I am not certain
1497258;1467675654;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497253    <<< False, I can use css to do a pastejacking attack.
1497259;1467675654;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 23:34 xcfw748: bah, css is harmless
1497260;1467675675;xcfw748;BingoBoingo css http://pastebin.com/cxbcZgUX
1497261;1467675807;xcfw748;there were also some very minor updates to html http://pastebin.com/9m49WK6Y
1497262;1467675831;xcfw748;addition of some classnames on elements, removing the table in the header in favor of css positioning
1497263;1467676821;mats;https://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/2701
1497264;1467677394;mats;asciilifeform: this looks like its for pogo's os, i'm looking for instructions re: a deterministic build process for armv5 you refer to on the ml
1497265;1467677422;mats;er, for building trb.
1497266;1467677547;mats;crossdev makes me sad
1497267;1467678578;asciilifeform;mats: crossdev is how it goes
1497268;1467678599;asciilifeform;or were you thinking of building ~on~ pogo
1497269;1467678612;asciilifeform;^ lunacy
1497270;1467678695;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497263 << which is. why . NO net on build boxes!!! mircea_popescu .
1497271;1467678695;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 00:00 mats: https://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/2701
1497272;1467678707;asciilifeform;for srs.
1497273;1467679187;asciilifeform;$s portatronic
1497274;1467679187;a111;49 results for "portatronic", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=portatronic
1497275;1467679194;asciilifeform;mats: ^^
1497276;1467679235;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
1497277;1467679260;asciilifeform;but you needs the os, yes
1497278;1467680229;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497235 << and yet he STILL doesn't want to lose weight.
1497279;1467680229;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 22:52 BingoBoingo: Fat privilege http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2065094/Passenger-forced-stand-flight-seven-hours-400-POUND-man.html
1497280;1467680357;mircea_popescu;;;later tell xcfw748 consider making a proper theme for the wp shinohai's cooking, that'd be actually useful. also consider not doing this hit and run thing.
1497281;1467680357;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497282;1467681983;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/sKuQW#selection-1839.0-1826.4 << mp is a left winger, proof inside.
1497283;1467682105;shinohai;^ lo
1497284;1467682148;shinohai;Looks like I should have a clean start to a suitable server to experiment with wp on by in the morning.
1497285;1467682155;mircea_popescu;cool
1497286;1467682258;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't quite understand how that armored gpg support works :o
1497287;1467682270;mircea_popescu;phf some shitty wp installs fuck up eg --
1497288;1467682274;mircea_popescu;but yours works fine.
1497289;1467682306;mircea_popescu;where "works" is defined as i can select and paste a gpg armored segment and gpg can process it.
1497290;1467682310;phf;well, there's a hack in comment.php, that wraps PGP messages in <code> and that gets somehow rendered differently
1497291;1467682328;mircea_popescu;cool.
1497292;1467682338;mircea_popescu;didn't know if that was theme level or what. good that it made it in anyway.
1497293;1467682341;phf;but if i just post comment with <code> foo</code> that doesn't work
1497294;1467682346;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1497295;1467682365;phf;and the <code> is not otherwise preserved anywhere
1497296;1467682369;*;phf us totally confused
1497297;1467682383;mircea_popescu;phf comments have a limited set of tags they may contain , code isn't among them.
1497298;1467682397;mircea_popescu;you can fiddle that knob, tho i don't right off recall where it is.
1497299;1467682423;mircea_popescu;(large part of why mp-wp is useful is exactly this : all knobs already set correctly, unroll and gtg.)
1497300;1467682435;mircea_popescu;ie, what asciilifeform said he wanted and then said he didn't get :D
1497301;1467682618;mircea_popescu;but in other system design news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/18ff10efb7ad1b21f377a989a7489826/tumblr_nwhj8r5Lxi1u921buo1_500.gif
1497302;1467683532;mircea_popescu;preserved for asciilifeform 's viewing pleasure : https://archive.is/ouyoS
1497303;1467683546;mircea_popescu;frozen IN PYTHON. with forward-declared symbols.
1497304;1467684091;phf;that code hack just seems to do ~something~, but it's not anything that i understand
1497305;1467684133;ben_vulpes;in other mortars: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451576d69e201b8d1fe4a9a970c-pi
1497306;1467686095;phf;oh that <code> thing gets added and then immediately stripped, it's the function comment_text() that's patched
1497307;1467686790;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497303 << beyooond my puny brainz
1497308;1467686790;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 01:52 mircea_popescu: frozen IN PYTHON. with forward-declared symbols.
1497309;1467687765;adlai;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497200 << 'If you wish to examine a granfalloon, just remove the skin of a toy balloon.' - Bokonon
1497310;1467687765;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 22:09 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-01#1494025 << jewwwwot is best wot
1497311;1467687765;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497312;1467688298;mircea_popescu;is that a mortar actually ?
1497313;1467688300;mircea_popescu;sorriest shit
1497314;1467688602;asciilifeform;betcha the orcs occasionally really do mortar straight up.
1497315;1467688619;asciilifeform;new meaning to 'call fire on own position' aha.
1497316;1467690345;mircea_popescu;heh
1497317;1467710100;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1497318;1467710102;gribble;Current Blocks: 419376 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1497319;1467711475;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~1.88% With Subsidy Halving Days Away - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-1-88-with-subsidy-halving-days-away/
1497320;1467714593;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: business partner of mine had a really good quote about millennial girls: "everyone decided to raise a fucking princess not a woman"
1497321;1467719157;jurov;Some illustration pic for qntra: https://i.redd.it/qvynswrwca7x.jpg
1497322;1467720028;BingoBoingo;ty jurov
1497323;1467720592;shinohai;^ priceless
1497324;1467721832;shinohai;Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit.
1497325;1467723331;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4rbypl/saving_thedao_by_breaking_the_split_mechanism/d4zuhcr   <<< you shouldn't have told the world our shit was broken, now we might actually have to fix it.
1497326;1467723374;thestringpuller;lol php/mysql is what qntra runs on
1497327;1467723494;shinohai;I still hate it
1497328;1467723546;shinohai;Quite possibly it is this nasty box I am having to deal with, may try to obtain a Digital Ocean box later on this week
1497329;1467724918;asciilifeform;phf: l0gz down again ??
1497330;1467725191;thestringpuller;oh noes
1497331;1467725205;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: is always first to notice. you must be reading logs most often.
1497332;1467725322;asciilifeform;i woke up, wat
1497333;1467725423;thestringpuller;i'm pretty sure you have logs directly inputted into your brain upon waking every morning
1497334;1467725951;jurov;thestringpuller: no he said just waken up. that means he reads log when sleeping
1497335;1467726008;thestringpuller;aha!
1497336;1467726083;jurov;if i did that, i'd get crazy, too
1497337;1467726354;phf;the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform
1497338;1467726421;thestringpuller;or hire a slave to be on-call
1497339;1467727289;deedbot;[Qntra] Suicide Bombers Strike Saudi Arabia - http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/
1497340;1467727742;BingoBoingo;In other news, Qntra now has a "Weather Category" to document notable instances of Aloha Snackbar http://qntra.net/category/weather/
1497341;1467729168;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10CM
1497342;1467729168;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497343;1467729452;shinohai;Also appears there are some eth users that are going to preserve old chain "Teh REALLY REAL ethereum"    http://archive.is/Uf9nW
1497344;1467729485;BingoBoingo;ty
1497345;1467729689;BingoBoingo;shinohai: editing "troubled altcoin" to more accurate "flaming tire fire in a shitpit"
1497346;1467729742;shinohai;kk
1497347;1467730256;BingoBoingo;shinohai: let me know if other new lulz are acceptable
1497348;1467730313;shinohai;I'm sure they will be fine, I'm still at least another year away until I can rattle off lulz in the same manner.
1497349;1467730375;BingoBoingo;Well can't help time
1497350;1467730410;deedbot;[Qntra] Ether Huffers Continue Fall Into Depravity - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/
1497351;1467731201;thestringpuller;Dat short sell tho
1497352;1467731218;thestringpuller;why did i even come to work today
1497353;1467731545;thestringpuller;;;calc 81690479 * 3.50
1497354;1467731546;gribble;285916676.5
1497355;1467731615;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/4rbff1/what_will_happen_to_exchange_trading_duringpost/ << wow this is interesting
1497356;1467731623;thestringpuller;so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut
1497357;1467732129;shinohai;Well looks like Hillary dodged a bullet with the feebs
1497358;1467732601;asciilifeform;muppetshow, snore.
1497359;1467732639;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: only cares about his computer bretheren
1497360;1467732658;thestringpuller;pretty sure when the machines take over that calculator will remember how well asciilifeform took care of it
1497361;1467732672;asciilifeform;just not esp. excited about rigged matches.
1497362;1467732703;thestringpuller;even if its proof of scam?
1497363;1467732713;trinque;thing's well proved at this point.
1497364;1467732731;thestringpuller;so said the prosecution when pursuing OJ
1497365;1467732742;thestringpuller;glove don't fit, you must acquit
1497366;1467732742;asciilifeform;not every muppet knows that it is a muppet.
1497367;1467732765;asciilifeform;http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2005/kermit-visits-doctor.jpg << oblig.
1497368;1467732967;shinohai;I am convinced that asciilifeform is really just some sort of AI comprised of Elbrus chips.
1497369;1467734742;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller iirc that's in trilema somewhere :D
1497370;1467734822;deedbot;[Qntra] FBI Stooge Affirms Clinton Privilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/fbi-stooge-affirms-clinton-privilege/
1497371;1467734855;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497324 <<what'd it do nao.
1497372;1467734855;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 12:30 shinohai: Man php/mysql is a steaming pile of horseshit.
1497373;1467734877;phf;he's probably just reading it :>
1497374;1467734927;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut.
1497375;1467734955;BingoBoingo;?
1497376;1467734970;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497337 << this is how you train sluts. "there's one pair of panties in the entire house, whichever wakes up first gets them.
1497377;1467734970;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 13:45 phf: the trick is to just start waking up before asciilifeform
1497378;1467735001;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nobody read mysql what. it's automatically generated code on the basis of an old instance of lotus 1-2-3
1497379;1467735009;BingoBoingo;AHA
1497380;1467735086;shinohai;Nah, it was just setup woes on a remote Ubuntu server, which is getting replaced with Deb as we speak. Hopefully will go a bit smoother.
1497381;1467735156;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/ <<< bwahahah
1497382;1467735211;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497356 << hey, gotta try and pickle the corpse somehow.
1497383;1467735211;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 15:13 thestringpuller: so hardfork will result in doors being nailed shut
1497384;1467735240;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, was the main and is now the ~only reason for the ethereum hard fork. give a plausible excuse as to why nobody's trading it)
1497385;1467735302;mircea_popescu;usg wants to save poloniex (ie, the owners, while somewhat tools, dun wanna be all-the-way tools) so you know, it'll just delist ethereum and that's that.
1497386;1467735352;mircea_popescu;ready to go for the next reiteration of "oh noes, a-guy-that-isn't-mp-i-can-tell-by-some-signapixels beat the shit out of our bitcoin weakening improvements, so now we're making a shitcoin alternative to take over".
1497387;1467735356;mircea_popescu;dat pendulum doth swing.
1497388;1467735454;mircea_popescu;this being the seal on the deal : "Also, be extra careful with leveraged positions. For example, if you have leveraged ETH long pre-fork, you may end up with TWO leveraged long positions of ETH1 and ETH2 post-fork, with each position value at only a fraction of pre-fork ETH."
1497389;1467736393;thestringpuller;I thought that poloniex exists entirely to allow whales to take money from altcoin scammers...
1497390;1467736821;asciilifeform;'In our system, the prosecutors make the decisions about whether charges are appropriate based on evidence the FBI has helped collect. Although we don’t normally make public our recommendations to the prosecutors, we frequently make recommendations and engage in productive conversations with prosecutors about what resolution may be appropriate, given the evidence. In this case, given the importance of the matter, I think unusual tr
1497391;1467736821;asciilifeform;ansparency is in order. Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a
1497392;1467736822;asciilifeform; person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.'
1497393;1467736834;asciilifeform;(fbi dir. comey)
1497394;1467736847;asciilifeform;heil clitler.
1497395;1467736859;shinohai;o/
1497396;1467736879;asciilifeform;what, genuinely thought she was prosecutable ?
1497397;1467736908;*;trinque factors reasonable considerations, comes up with "No."
1497398;1467736970;trinque;heh, so similar situations like Petraeus
1497399;1467736992;asciilifeform;'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.'
1497400;1467737035;asciilifeform;I AM NOT A CROOK!!!11111 (tm) (r)
1497401;1467737101;asciilifeform;the man was telling the truth re 'no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case'. unless 'reasonable' can somehow include 'wants to be nailgunned'
1497402;1467737656;mircea_popescu;"whales"
1497403;1467737697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, the clapham omnibus prosecutor! novel us doctrine!
1497404;1467737742;mircea_popescu;i thought "our system" was such that the prosecutor, aiming for political office in a decade, will pursue the most fantastic claims out of a misguided desire for publicity, and then cover up the various fabrications. you know, like mayor of new york and ex bhahara giuliani ?
1497405;1467737748;mircea_popescu;apparently they changed the system.
1497406;1467737801;asciilifeform;picture if sov prosecutor tried to indict brezhnev
1497407;1467737812;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497399 << check it out, he thinks himself mp!
1497408;1467737812;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 16:43 asciilifeform: 'What I can assure the American people is that this investigation was done competently, honestly, and independently. No outside influence of any kind was brought to bear.'
1497409;1467737824;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform isn't there that joke with the drunk driving ?
1497410;1467737833;mircea_popescu;"i dunno, but brejnev was driving him!"
1497411;1467738423;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1497412;1467738430;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 669.99, vol: 3056.57236577 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 656.653, vol: 5709.61319 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 671.19, vol: 19882.569183 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 620.0, vol: 0.10022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 676.3005, vol: 37154.05810000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 673.76, vol: 885.80969504 | Volume-weighted last average: 672.771656934
1497413;1467738577;phf;fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld
1497414;1467738577;phf;fe[nl]ix: currently QPX cannot be effectively profiled and that sucks
1497415;1467738582;phf;asciilifeform: ^
1497416;1467738604;phf;in case you're wondering who's driving the core of sbcl dev
1497417;1467738626;asciilifeform;it is still developed ?!
1497418;1467738667;phf;what is still developed?
1497419;1467738671;asciilifeform;sbcl
1497420;1467738711;phf;i thought ecl and sbcl are the only lisps that are in active development
1497421;1467738801;phf;unless you're saying that you've been running your own personal fork for years and is ignorant of any going ons around the platform
1497422;1467738834;asciilifeform;more or less
1497423;1467738847;asciilifeform;did i miss anything ?
1497424;1467738912;phf;not particularly, just the fact that sbcl development is now handled by google
1497425;1467739053;asciilifeform;sad
1497426;1467739123;thestringpuller;;;seen jurov
1497427;1467739124;gribble;jurov was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 37 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <jurov> if i did that, i'd get crazy, too
1497428;1467739132;thestringpuller;$google slovenian time
1497429;1467739148;deedbot;http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/slovenia/ljubljana << Current Local Time in Ljubljana, Slovenia | http://www.sloveniatimes.com/ << The Slovenia Times - Daily News and Features from Slovenia ... | http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_SI.aspx << Current local time in Slovenia
1497430;1467739175;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: iirc he is in slovakia, but same time belt
1497431;1467739819;phf;"he's from somewhere near transylvania. he has this whole dracula-cowboy thing about him."
1497432;1467739934;jurov;wut
1497433;1467739983;deedbot;[Qntra] Novel Business Idea - http://qntra.net/2016/07/novel-business-idea/
1497434;1467739987;jurov;i do live in carpathians, but near the more boring end :D
1497435;1467740684;BingoBoingo;Next qntra to hit deedbot is for alf
1497436;1467740703;deedbot;[Qntra] Counterpoint: Maybe Comey Didn't Want To "Crush His Own Throat" #ClintonPrivilege - http://qntra.net/2016/07/counterpoint-maybe-comey-didnt-want-to-crush-his-own-throat-clintonprivilege/
1497437;1467740723;shinohai;BingoBoingo on a roll today
1497438;1467740748;BingoBoingo;A lot of things are coming together today
1497439;1467740957;thestringpuller;It's a good news day.
1497440;1467741111;asciilifeform;in not-quite-nyooz, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18880654/why-do-i-get-the-same-sequence-for-every-run-with-stdrandom-device-with-mingw
1497441;1467741862;shinohai;http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ   <<< this subreddit has potential.
1497442;1467742100;trinque;"Will fuck my father for 2 minutes and upload video for $50 USD in bitcoin." << slut either has an old boyfriend, or would've fucked her dad for $0
1497443;1467742112;trinque;I call shenanigans.
1497444;1467742688;shinohai;xD
1497445;1467743120;ben_vulpes;http://cruisingwithgunhead.tumblr.com/post/146941117989/new-aesthetic-via-this-guy-irl-on-twitter << nobody could have predicted their using the optic nerve as a weapon
1497446;1467745064;BingoBoingo;Also look what place is capable of upboating more than reddit: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/1152197/5713439
1497447;1467745084;asciilifeform;$s arkencide
1497448;1467745084;a111;1 results for "arkencide", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=arkencide
1497449;1467745114;deedbot;[Qntra] CoinJoin Not A Privacy Tool After All - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinjoin-not-a-privacy-tool-after-all/
1497450;1467745130;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: lol
1497451;1467745187;asciilifeform;https://groups.google.com/forum/message/raw?msg=alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/qBVPNvLPjxw/L18xF9cmS7EJ
1497452;1467745233;asciilifeform;Official Truth re same: http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
1497453;1467745240;BingoBoingo;More R-kensaw https://i.sli.mg/dXBJxR.png
1497454;1467745373;BingoBoingo;Request: pls to let me know if I left any qntra posts about spree killings out of the "weather" category http://qntra.net/category/weather/
1497455;1467745479;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/#comment-63127
1497456;1467745479;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497457;1467747297;BingoBoingo;8======D ~~~~o O-;
1497458;1467747751;wyrdmantis;$key mod6
1497459;1467747753;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f8f3ac91-5161-41eb-85fb-6e3d5d38ba2e/
1497460;1467747870;wyrdmantis;$key asciilifeform
1497461;1467747878;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/003c8703-b24a-42dd-9ddc-a74536efcc25/
1497462;1467748321;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI
1497463;1467748323;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497464;1467748975;asciilifeform;soooo it appears that we do not have ~any~ recipe posted for building vtronic trb ?
1497465;1467748979;asciilifeform;or did i misplace.
1497466;1467749184;wyrdmantis;i need it very much because i'm n00b
1497467;1467749409;jurov;wyrdmantis: you need to get stator and press the sources in directory where stator expects them
1497468;1467749432;asciilifeform;stator is obsolete
1497469;1467749434;asciilifeform;use rotor.
1497470;1467749453;asciilifeform;(builds with musl, instead of glibc)
1497471;1467750180;*;wyrdmantis groans
1497472;1467750220;asciilifeform;wyrdmantis: your best bet is to wait for mod6 to wake up, iirc he had a draft of a recipe somewhere
1497473;1467750258;wyrdmantis;ok, thanks asciilifeform
1497474;1467750625;trinque;$s http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1497475;1467750625;a111;7 results for "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fdeedbot.org%2Fbuild-bitcoind-V99995.sh
1497476;1467750632;trinque;wyrdmantis: ^ afaik that's the latest build script.
1497477;1467750690;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1482967
1497478;1467750690;a111;Logged on 2016-06-15 00:24 mod6: so looks like openssl did change to https, and if you want to build with 'http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh', for the time being simply update the script by changing line 63 from:
1497479;1467751904;wyrdmantis;trinque thanks, i'm trying to follow this > http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
1497480;1467751910;wyrdmantis;with no luck
1497481;1467751961;trinque;"no luck" is a terrible bug report!!!111!
1497482;1467751969;wyrdmantis;it keep saying: Impossible to verify the sig: No public key
1497483;1467751981;wyrdmantis;Lol
1497484;1467751985;trinque;it's telling you the truth
1497485;1467752033;wyrdmantis;i know that between the two he is right and i'm wrong
1497486;1467752034;jurov;wyrdmantis: you're supposed to gather the pubkeys yourself
1497487;1467752059;wyrdmantis;i've followed the guide literally
1497488;1467752087;trinque;wyrdmantis: it assumes you know how to operate gpg
1497489;1467752107;trinque;go find the key it's asking for and import that
1497490;1467752157;jurov;and it assumes you know how to operate bash, too (to get more helpful information about failure, add set -x to the script)
1497491;1467752968;ben_vulpes;buildroot sig?
1497492;1467753232;BingoBoingo;$uo TheFactory7
1497493;1467753307;BingoBoingo;$up TheFactory7
1497494;1467753308;deedbot;TheFactory7 voiced for 30 minutes.
1497495;1467753586;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 the link in trb.foundation STILL POINTS TO BITCOIN-ASSETS WIKI << Is this necessary?
1497496;1467753592;mod6;o.O
1497497;1467753597;mod6;I know it still points there.
1497498;1467753684;mod6;As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them.
1497499;1467753695;TheFactory7;did you see netki raising money and working on know your customer aml integration on wallets?
1497500;1467753704;mod6;shinohai, trinque ^ can someone please help me out with this? or do I not need an account to make the change?
1497501;1467753784;mod6;;;later tell wyrdmantis Yea, you need to gather the wot keys manually, this is by design.  Please stop back in if you need more assistance.
1497502;1467753784;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497503;1467753807;asciilifeform;mod6: wyrdmantis showed up asking for handbook, and i had nfi what to give him.
1497504;1467753865;asciilifeform;TheFactory7: did you see, somewhere in rural china a pig is eating shit ? even as we speak ?
1497505;1467753874;shinohai;hue
1497506;1467753887;trinque;shinohai: you gonna swap them to dash or somethin?
1497507;1467753889;shinohai;mod6: I could try to change it to underscores maybe
1497508;1467753895;trinque;dash plspls
1497509;1467753900;shinohai;ok dashes
1497510;1467753919;*;trinque offers again to just give ssh access to a dir somewhere over wiki
1497511;1467753922;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10IU   <<< test messages per your last instructions
1497512;1467753923;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497513;1467753926;mod6;shinohai: please, please.
1497514;1467753930;mod6;asciilifeform: calm down.
1497515;1467753945;mod6;everything that is required to do for anyone is in wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin
1497516;1467753947;trinque;asciilifeform likes to pretend he is sgt ru.mil!1!11!
1497517;1467753970;mod6;it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc"
1497518;1467753980;asciilifeform;mod6: i was damn sure there was a draft cookbook but i slept through it, and it was not yet posted to trb www.
1497519;1467753999;asciilifeform;mod6: but i guess i dreamed it
1497520;1467754029;BingoBoingo;shinohai: better, but SHA512 instead of SHA256
1497521;1467754049;mod6;There is some extensive documentation to my V.  Indeed, and we aspired to make the build recipie as simple as possible for the whole orchastra.  So DPB (?) wrote it up and posted it at the previously linked place.
1497522;1467754057;shinohai;Oh shit, my bad.
1497523;1467754058;mod6;I will not relink any new article until it is a sane url.
1497524;1467754112;TheFactory7;asciilifeform: no need to go to china for that
1497525;1467754137;asciilifeform;TheFactory7: point being, i have nfi why anyone here would care whether some derp somewhere implemented usg's kyc
1497526;1467754169;asciilifeform;i could be wrong.
1497527;1467754396;mod6;<+mod6> it says: "Put the pubkeys of people you trust in there as name1.asc, name2.asc etc" << perhaps a parenthitical needs to be added to this that says: (This is a manual process.)
1497528;1467755606;mod6;$up wyrdmantis
1497529;1467755621;deedbot;wyrdmantis voiced for 30 minutes.
1497530;1467755667;shinohai;trinque: links at top of wiki still non-functional for me as well
1497531;1467755753;shinohai;Also, doesn't appear once article is made that I can change title, unless I am missing something.
1497532;1467755797;mod6;Thanks for checking that otu
1497533;1467755825;shinohai;Meaning I guess that I will have to redo the whole shebang, sorry guise
1497534;1467755841;mod6;no sweat either way.
1497535;1467755865;mod6;maybe trinque has a way around this; may be best to see what he says first before you rework the whole shebang
1497536;1467756063;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4738
1497537;1467756212;shinohai;`Dindustan`
1497538;1467756442;BingoBoingo;What, they dindu it?
1497539;1467756786;trinque;mod6: shinohai: we might want to switch to a better wiki if we're talking about a redo
1497540;1467756810;trinque;if that thing doesn't have article name editing I'd have to add it, and I'd rather not end up developing cliki
1497541;1467756811;mod6;yeah, alternatively i might just stand one up for the foundation
1497542;1467756818;trinque;cliki seems like it sucks
1497543;1467756825;mod6;and, i think we're just gonna change course here on that page "The Real Bitcoin"
1497544;1467756834;mod6;we'll just get the HTML and post it right to the foundation instead.
1497545;1467756837;mod6;problem solved.
1497546;1467756839;trinque;I'm for that
1497547;1467756906;jurov;O.o and how can be a wiki so slow?
1497548;1467756968;trinque;eh it's just on a busy box
1497549;1467756992;mod6;asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ?
1497550;1467757028;asciilifeform;it is horribly out of date.
1497551;1467757031;asciilifeform;zoolag = 72.83.9.184
1497552;1467757042;trinque;mod6: 172.86.178.46 << deedbot
1497553;1467757047;asciilifeform;incitatus is long dead
1497554;1467757059;mod6;trinque: is that the deedbot trb ip then?
1497555;1467757060;asciilifeform;bucephalus is dead until the next time i can get to it, which won't be for ages
1497556;1467757066;trinque;mod6: yeah
1497557;1467757083;asciilifeform;'mine' is mircea_popescu's box and it doesn't ping and hasn't in eons
1497558;1467757087;asciilifeform;and i have nfi what he did with it
1497559;1467757107;asciilifeform;'coracle' belongs to ben_vulpes and also hasn't worked in eons
1497560;1467757114;asciilifeform;this rounds out the list.
1497561;1467757223;asciilifeform;$up Joshua-I
1497562;1467757223;deedbot;Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
1497563;1467757237;mod6;i've got one that isn't public facing, but maybe i'll open it up
1497564;1467757254;mod6;not right this second, but soon
1497565;1467757526;Joshua-I;Hey I'm friends with Gabe.
1497566;1467757555;Joshua-I;Haven't read all the logs yet, but I'm getting around to it
1497567;1467757570;asciilifeform;Joshua-I: have pgp key ?
1497568;1467757582;Joshua-I;Yeah I reg'd it
1497569;1467757589;asciilifeform;go ahead and test
1497570;1467757618;Joshua-I;Not rated so I can't up myself yet
1497571;1467757821;asciilifeform;$rate Joshua-I 1 new blood.
1497572;1467757823;mod6;ok so the Foundation homepage has been updated with a new link -- the page is stored locally.
1497573;1467757834;Joshua-I;Thank you very much
1497574;1467757837;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1497575;1467757843;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6da027a3-9d45-405c-8c63-4803a02bbae4/
1497576;1467757862;mod6;In the next day or so, I'll get a full list of trusted nodes still up and update the page with that as well.
1497577;1467757874;asciilifeform;$v D9B383045782564C09497E8D018408F4A7BA94601C7C1FC750C7C8372CF7936A
1497578;1467757874;deedbot;asciilifeform rated Joshua-I 1 << new blood.
1497579;1467758114;mod6;alright.
1497580;1467758143;mod6;i just added a trusted nodes page with: deedbot's, zoolag's and pete d's ips: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
1497581;1467758150;mod6;this is now linked from the home page as well.
1497582;1467758154;mod6;hope this helps.
1497583;1467758187;mod6;All: Let me know if you have a fully sync'd node (and you're in my WoT) and would like to be in this list.  Thanks in advance.
1497584;1467758450;*;asciilifeform cringes at reference to 'trusted' ips.
1497585;1467758733;mod6;what would you hvae me change in either of the pages?
1497586;1467760175;shinohai;I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
1497587;1467762224;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497413 << does this make sense ?
1497588;1467762224;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 17:09 phf: fe[nl]ix: precisely because of perf and profiling tools we're working on saving an SBCL core as ELF .o and create an executable with ld
1497589;1467762396;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497441 << easy enough to check.
1497590;1467762396;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 18:04 shinohai: http://archive.is/Hp5ZQ   <<< this subreddit has potential.
1497591;1467762507;shinohai;mircea_popescu: the collectalldrugs "girl" refused my request to come here and show tits.
1497592;1467762578;mircea_popescu;heh
1497593;1467762606;mircea_popescu;oh, did you submit the thing
1497594;1467762858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497498 << the problem is that currently foreigners aiming to become citizens have no clear path to follow. this hasta be resolved, there must be a well maintained page somewhere they can find and follow.
1497595;1467762858;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 21:21 mod6: As soon as we have a wiki page @ deedbot that doesn't have spaces in the URL, will change them.
1497596;1467762986;mircea_popescu;mod6 oh, nm, it's in http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin ? kay then.
1497597;1467763084;mircea_popescu;$help
1497598;1467763084;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1497599;1467763562;mircea_popescu;that should hold us for a while then.
1497600;1467763911;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497549 << is not. missing 91.218.246.31 ; 46.166.170.208 etc.
1497601;1467763911;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 22:16 mod6: asciilifeform: can you confirm/deny that this list is up to date: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin/nodes ?
1497602;1467764005;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << his problems is that ips aren't that strong an identification. nothing can be done about it for now, so whatevs.
1497603;1467764005;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
1497604;1467764065;shinohai;This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately.
1497605;1467764069;mircea_popescu;myea
1497606;1467764125;Joshua-I;Cool! So voicing myself worked. Sorry about leaving abruptly earlier: my free wifi time was up just as I logged in here
1497607;1467764186;mircea_popescu;welcome
1497608;1467764207;Joshua-I;Anyway, executive summary is I do web development typically
1497609;1467764219;Joshua-I;Ty mircea
1497610;1467764229;Joshua-I;And I've been hanging out with Gabe
1497611;1467764236;mircea_popescu;what's a gabe ?
1497612;1467764295;Joshua-I;http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/ <-- him
1497613;1467764509;asciilifeform;'http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/the_real_bitcoin to become a citizen.' << this is open invitation to kako to emplace goatse
1497614;1467764556;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497586 << mno. there is no mitm countermeasure because bitcoin nodes have no identity.
1497615;1467764556;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 23:09 shinohai: I simply put "When adding nodes, ask for a signed list of IP addresses from somebody in your WoT. " in the how-to to avoid the "trusted" thing.
1497616;1467764558;trinque;mod6 │ http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
1497617;1467764575;asciilifeform;trinque: neato
1497618;1467764609;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497604 << of naked tcp, aha.
1497619;1467764609;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 00:14 shinohai: This is limitation of tcp/ip unfortunately.
1497620;1467764654;Joshua-I;Mmm excellent
1497621;1467764666;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu try as i might, i can't get the comment-staleness thing to work
1497622;1467764667;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497623;1467764763;trinque;mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki
1497624;1467764781;asciilifeform;has anyone other than phf gotten it to work 100% ?
1497625;1467764801;trinque;I see value in keeping old tutorials available as historical items, for one
1497626;1467764802;asciilifeform;(complete with enabling all antispam, etc)
1497627;1467764821;shinohai;Working on it asciilifeform ... I just haven't had a decent box to run it all on
1497628;1467764873;asciilifeform;even after adding the necessary hooks to the comments.php from particular theme, and the resulting html follows the pattern seen on mircea_popescu's site, i still get 'stale' error
1497629;1467764887;asciilifeform;when submitting comment.
1497630;1467764908;asciilifeform;unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item
1497631;1467764961;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffers-continue-fall-into-depravity/#comment-63145
1497632;1467765025;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: https://cryptome.org/2016-info/hillary-protection/hillary-protection-2016.htm << possibly entertaining, clitler's guards
1497633;1467765217;Joshua-I;Guess I'll set up that trusted node stuff in a vm
1497634;1467765236;Joshua-I;bbl going for dinner
1497635;1467765921;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform got a better link ?
1497636;1467765938;asciilifeform;for which
1497637;1467765953;mircea_popescu;the goatse
1497638;1467765955;asciilifeform;trb? trinque made one
1497639;1467765959;asciilifeform;see l0gz from last hour
1497640;1467765981;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1497641;1467766022;mircea_popescu;now then. what coment staleness ?
1497642;1467766091;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497623 << might be worth a shot
1497643;1467766091;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 00:26 trinque: mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki
1497644;1467766112;asciilifeform;'Looks like you tried to comment off a stale page. Reload the article, count to three and try again.' << that one.
1497645;1467766131;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497630 << notrly the whole purpose, but a good chunk sure.
1497646;1467766131;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 00:28 asciilifeform: unless whole antispam mechanism is commented out, which defeats the whole purpose of using mircea_popescu's item
1497647;1467766136;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform link me to your instlal again what was it ?
1497648;1467766151;asciilifeform;asciilifeform.com
1497649;1467766212;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're missing comment_post_time
1497650;1467766214;mircea_popescu;$comment_post_time
1497651;1467766217;mircea_popescu;$s comment_post_time
1497652;1467766217;a111;5 results for "comment_post_time", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=comment_post_time
1497653;1467766241;asciilifeform;ah hm
1497654;1467766280;asciilifeform;where does it go
1497655;1467766398;mircea_popescu;either lift it from his patch or else put it in the theme comments under comment_post_ID
1497656;1467766408;asciilifeform;and yeah it worx, ty
1497657;1467766412;mircea_popescu;win.
1497658;1467766449;asciilifeform;except hm
1497659;1467766454;mircea_popescu;and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening ; gpg comments ; auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc.
1497660;1467766462;asciilifeform;does login persist by ip ?
1497661;1467766481;asciilifeform;why does commenting inside fresh browser instance end up 'admin'
1497662;1467766485;mircea_popescu;only admin login should exist ; works by cookie
1497663;1467766544;asciilifeform;hm dun seem to actually work
1497664;1467766547;asciilifeform;other than as logged in user
1497665;1467766549;asciilifeform;try it
1497666;1467766571;asciilifeform;it goes to mod queue
1497667;1467766576;asciilifeform;but with 0 feedback to commenter
1497668;1467766587;asciilifeform;just pops right back up at the form with empty contents
1497669;1467766827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so add feedback if you want feedback.
1497670;1467766853;mircea_popescu;trilema has a info bit above the comment box instead.
1497671;1467766870;asciilifeform;i have genuinely nfi how and where.
1497672;1467766944;asciilifeform;there is a built-in 'if comment_approved' thing in the themes
1497673;1467766952;asciilifeform;but for some reason the flag is not present ?
1497674;1467766967;asciilifeform;this is particular to wp-mp
1497675;1467766987;mircea_popescu;lol that's not claled "it dun work" now is it. for instance, if youy;d like your current "Your email is never published nor shared. Required fields are marked *" to read like my "If this is your first comment, it will wait to be approved. This usually takes a few hours. Subsequent comments are not delayed." then grep for the first string replace with 2nd string.
1497676;1467767010;mircea_popescu;"if comment_approved" can't be a flag at post time.
1497677;1467767013;asciilifeform;in STOCK wp, it is !
1497678;1467767017;asciilifeform;for fucks sake
1497679;1467767039;asciilifeform;hitting 'submit' to be presented with the original page and blank form and NO indication of what happened, is nonsense
1497680;1467767043;mircea_popescu;b
1497681;1467767044;mircea_popescu;b
1497682;1467767045;asciilifeform;and this is not what happens on trilema
1497683;1467767061;mircea_popescu;damn. how would the machinery know at the time someone hits submit whether you'l lapprove it later or not ?
1497684;1467767070;asciilifeform;it knows that it is in the mod queue
1497685;1467767076;asciilifeform;vs immediately-approved
1497686;1467767103;mircea_popescu;ok, so you want it to do a "your comment is awaiting moderation" thing ?
1497687;1467767106;asciilifeform;aha
1497688;1467767122;asciilifeform;most of the themes appear to already have the hook
1497689;1467767127;mircea_popescu;guess what : trilema does this
1497690;1467767136;mircea_popescu;(try, see)
1497691;1467767204;asciilifeform;test 	(Your comment is awaiting moderation)
1497692;1467767208;mircea_popescu;aha.
1497693;1467767213;asciilifeform;so, how ??
1497694;1467767222;mircea_popescu;teh... normal way ?
1497695;1467767230;mircea_popescu;iirc phf's install does it also.
1497696;1467767331;asciilifeform;it does
1497697;1467767334;asciilifeform;but he never published his theme
1497698;1467767338;asciilifeform;so i have nfi how !
1497699;1467767344;asciilifeform;default theme does no such thing
1497700;1467767387;mircea_popescu;i thought he was using teh default.
1497701;1467767393;asciilifeform;apparently not
1497702;1467767402;mircea_popescu;weird shit.
1497703;1467767422;mircea_popescu;grep for the string what you got there ?
1497704;1467767472;asciilifeform;it is in wp-includes/comment-template.php
1497705;1467767482;mircea_popescu;no, in comments.php
1497706;1467767490;asciilifeform;not in the default theme !
1497707;1467767501;mircea_popescu;well possibly because it doesn't support this.
1497708;1467767503;asciilifeform;the only place in mp tarball that has it
1497709;1467767508;mircea_popescu;obviously. if the text not there you ain't getting it.
1497710;1467767508;asciilifeform;is the template.
1497711;1467767515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mp tarball does not include a theme.
1497712;1467767516;asciilifeform;my theme has it !
1497713;1467767521;mircea_popescu;dude...
1497714;1467767522;asciilifeform;yes i know
1497715;1467767532;mircea_popescu;<? if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><em>(Your comment is awaiting moderation)</em> << in comments.php, where you want it posted.
1497716;1467767542;asciilifeform;<?php if ($comment->comment_approved == '0') : ?><span class="unapproved"><?php _e('Your comment is awaiting moderation.', 'veryplaintxt') ?></span><?php endif; ?>
1497717;1467767545;asciilifeform;yes.
1497718;1467767546;asciilifeform;there it is.
1497719;1467767549;asciilifeform;and 0 effect.
1497720;1467767565;mircea_popescu;weird.
1497721;1467767580;mircea_popescu;wtf is "php _e" ?
1497722;1467767601;asciilifeform;how the hell would i know
1497723;1467767618;mircea_popescu;apparently your interpreter doesn't either.
1497724;1467767629;mircea_popescu;nfi what _e function is, myself.
1497725;1467767629;asciilifeform;https://codex.wordpress.org/Function_Reference/_e << appears to be a thing..?
1497726;1467767641;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. a thing introduced after 2008
1497727;1467767656;mircea_popescu;stick to echo.
1497728;1467767680;asciilifeform;my php has it
1497729;1467767691;asciilifeform;or, e.g., 'Post a Comment' would likewise fail to appear.
1497730;1467767700;asciilifeform;and numerous other strings similarly encrudded in the theme.
1497731;1467767708;asciilifeform;so this isn't it.
1497732;1467767731;shinohai;php _e <<< that is a wordpress turd that makes it display in multiple languages iirc
1497733;1467767739;trinque;yeah but the span doesn't appear either
1497734;1467767746;trinque;in teh html sauce
1497735;1467767798;asciilifeform;waiwut
1497736;1467767827;asciilifeform;<h3 id="respond"><?php _e('Post a Comment', 'veryplaintxt') ?></h3>    becomes   <h3 id="respond">Post a Comment</h3>
1497737;1467767835;asciilifeform;so i dun see the problem ?
1497738;1467767880;trinque;if _e were emitting empty string that'd be one thing
1497739;1467767895;trinque;but the span around it doesn't show up in the source on the next page after POST
1497740;1467767955;trinque;asciilifeform: maybe <pre><?php print_r($comment) ?></pre> in that template somewhere
1497741;1467767960;trinque;or whatever it was, it's been a while
1497742;1467768167;asciilifeform;trinque: and this will tell me what ?
1497743;1467768190;trinque;print_r will dump the contents of that var into the template
1497744;1467768390;asciilifeform;trinque: i have nfi where.
1497745;1467768437;asciilifeform;or why i should be spending time emplacing 1,001 printf debuggeries
1497746;1467768447;asciilifeform;when this thing apparently WORKS in mircea_popescu's unpublished original.
1497747;1467768495;asciilifeform;i confess that i have not found this exercise to be either pleasant, or educational, or productive.
1497748;1467768508;asciilifeform;it is about as much fun as reading cobol.
1497749;1467768512;trinque;ahaha
1497750;1467768639;trinque;there is always "not to be"
1497751;1467768708;asciilifeform;phf apparently knows enough to replicate working setup without the missing pieces and without using the pig-ugly default theme.
1497752;1467768710;asciilifeform;i - do not.
1497753;1467768870;asciilifeform;i will become a php monkey shortly after i learn to run the deep fryers at mickeydee's.
1497754;1467768923;asciilifeform;how the fuck do folks put up with a thing with no debugger ?
1497755;1467769065;trinque;it's an overgrown templating language that came of needing to turn db queries into html and not much else
1497756;1467769075;trinque;written by some guy that needed to make a website one time
1497757;1467769211;trinque;even if you had your debugger it wouldn't be meaningfully attached to the browser
1497758;1467769227;trinque;sure there's skewer and whatever other *awful* madness I've dipped my dick into now and again
1497759;1467769239;asciilifeform;even half a debugger, that meaningfully steps through the process of shitting out the html, would be useful
1497760;1467769263;trinque;runs afoul of your "no, whole earth must burn" though
1497761;1467769271;asciilifeform;it must.
1497762;1467769279;trinque;I agree 100%
1497763;1467769438;trinque;and hell, you want a proper blog^H^H^H^H command line interface to a bunch of articles gimmeh teh gossipd
1497764;1467769442;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497752 << yeah. you're also infinitely more expensive to support. i'm guessing maybe this is just not for you ?
1497765;1467769442;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 01:31 asciilifeform: i - do not.
1497766;1467769452;mircea_popescu;no idea how that'd be possibru in computing, but somehow apparently.
1497767;1467769474;asciilifeform;it is quite possible, this cobol is ~entirely foreign to me.
1497768;1467769479;mircea_popescu;but yes, trinque has it : html crap is by definition undebuggable.
1497769;1467769494;asciilifeform;back when i set up original www, i used a heathen shitpress with as much as could be removed.
1497770;1467769499;asciilifeform;and the result ~worked.
1497771;1467769503;asciilifeform;and left it at that.
1497772;1467769516;asciilifeform;this was in 2007.
1497773;1467769577;mircea_popescu;well so copy it over or w/e.
1497774;1467769586;asciilifeform;i don't want to akismet any moar !
1497775;1467769598;mircea_popescu;ah. well, maybe let it be give it another try once shinohai produced a version.
1497776;1467769603;trinque;then bite the dowel and put the print_r in
1497777;1467769608;asciilifeform;i'ma install it trb-style
1497778;1467769616;asciilifeform;which is to say, once somebody shares a COMPLETE package
1497779;1467769641;asciilifeform;without 'now re-invent this wheel i didn't feel like posting'
1497780;1467769657;shinohai;TIL php may possibly be asciilifeform 's kryptonite
1497781;1467769658;mircea_popescu;...
1497782;1467769668;asciilifeform;shinohai: i always despised wwwtronics and made no secret of it.
1497783;1467769688;shinohai;:D
1497784;1467769705;trinque;god I think I have surrogate indigestion
1497785;1467769756;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ironically, if your original is from 2007, mp-wp should work with your theme out of the box.
1497786;1467769758;mircea_popescu;maybe try that.
1497787;1467769793;asciilifeform;i specifically wanted a new site, independent of old and producing no down time when tweaked
1497788;1467769805;asciilifeform;and i dun like me old theme either
1497789;1467769817;asciilifeform;it sux quite mightily, as discussed in original thread
1497790;1467769822;asciilifeform;(mutilated images)
1497791;1467769832;mircea_popescu;ah.
1497792;1467769833;asciilifeform;was trying for clean start here.
1497793;1467769836;mircea_popescu;well then find a theme that doesn't suck.
1497794;1467769840;asciilifeform;i did !
1497795;1467769844;mircea_popescu;"fails to do what i want with queued comments" = sucks.
1497796;1467769845;asciilifeform;and it run work with mp-wp
1497797;1467769851;asciilifeform;though it was written for 2.x !
1497798;1467769855;asciilifeform;*dun work
1497799;1467769857;mircea_popescu;mno. you found a theme that sucks. find a theme that doesn't suck
1497800;1467769862;asciilifeform;where?!
1497801;1467769865;mircea_popescu;where "does exactly what i want" = not sucks
1497802;1467769866;asciilifeform;i tried dozens
1497803;1467769868;mircea_popescu;well that i dunno.
1497804;1467769870;asciilifeform;they all suck.
1497805;1467769870;mircea_popescu;hm.
1497806;1467769878;asciilifeform;so answer seems to be 'write theme'
1497807;1467769881;mircea_popescu;this complaint i heard befoar.
1497808;1467769884;asciilifeform;which phf is qualified to do, and i am not.
1497809;1467769892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, eventually serenity is gonna produce one i think.
1497810;1467769902;asciilifeform;then i will use, and say 'thank you'
1497811;1467769910;mircea_popescu;cool. not emergency anyway.
1497812;1467769920;mircea_popescu;but odds are you'll say "this doesn't work".
1497813;1467769922;asciilifeform;but i'm a bit sad that there is no place to put the submarine pics.
1497814;1467769924;asciilifeform;they were spiffy.
1497815;1467770029;mircea_popescu;incidentally, if any web / css / designer people wants to do something useful, an old amiga/dos style theme for the tmsr wp would be apparently mucho appreciated.
1497816;1467770045;asciilifeform;muchly so.
1497817;1467770056;asciilifeform;or even simply a plain text, minimal bytemass sort of thing.
1497818;1467770115;asciilifeform;i dun so much care that it 'looks like commodore64' but it really ought to fit in the address space of one.
1497819;1467770120;asciilifeform;simply matter of principle.
1497820;1467770133;asciilifeform;200kB css is loathesome.
1497821;1467770349;Joshua-I;Interesting. I'll look at some c64 UIs to get a feel
1497822;1467770751;Joshua-I;This is neat: https://wordpress.org/themes/commodore/
1497823;1467770760;Joshua-I;demo: http://unitednetworksonline.com/themes/commodore/
1497824;1467770778;asciilifeform;i had no doubt that this exists.
1497825;1467770795;asciilifeform;but i'd rather just have a <64kB thing.
1497826;1467770812;asciilifeform;that i could read + understand.
1497827;1467770834;Joshua-I;Like css wise right
1497828;1467770851;asciilifeform;whole mass minus payload.
1497829;1467770869;asciilifeform;and ditto on server side.
1497830;1467770931;Joshua-I;Wondering if that's even possible with wp
1497831;1467772692;BingoBoingo;Joshua-I: You obviously haven't seen qntra theme
1497832;1467772716;Joshua-I;Yeah I did a quick check and the answer is yes
1497833;1467772750;Joshua-I;I have seen it just though jquery was built right in there, since I've never seen wp without it
1497834;1467772760;Joshua-I;thought*
1497835;1467772808;BingoBoingo;And no, qntra theme has not yet been tested with mp-wp. Runs own wp fork.
1497836;1467772836;BingoBoingo;Which is still different from thedrinkingrecord.com wp fork.
1497837;1467774030;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/Kv9GOVZ.png
1497838;1467774658;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1497839;1467774663;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 677.03, vol: 3280.11410402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 659.208, vol: 5607.44156 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 677.82, vol: 18782.23503567 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.0, vol: 1.12022058 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.36845, vol: 36156.96860000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 679.98, vol: 1004.31958923 | Volume-weighted last average: 679.854440681
1497840;1467775079;Joshua-I;Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around
1497841;1467775608;BingoBoingo;Prolly best to read the last monthe first and then jump back to 2013
1497842;1467775637;BingoBoingo;Just want the most recent month to put history into context
1497843;1467775723;Joshua-I;Hm ok thanks
1497844;1467775801;BingoBoingo;Or mebbe start in January 2016 and read to no and then do 2015, 2014, and 2013
1497845;1467775810;BingoBoingo;Lots of ways to break it up.
1497846;1467775860;BingoBoingo;But hanbot's 6 month quote was from 3 years ago so I assume best to to just read ONLY six months of logz and be like "I r Bitcoin nao"
1497847;1467776127;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497830 << make sure you're working off the correct version.
1497848;1467776127;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 02:08 Joshua-I: Wondering if that's even possible with wp
1497849;1467776248;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497840 << logs stretch out to 2012. at this point prolly best approach is to put word of your interest in search, read the results and the references.
1497850;1467776248;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 03:17 Joshua-I: Should I read the logs most recent to least recent or the other way around
1497851;1467776458;mircea_popescu;and in udder baltimore news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8231ba173d2c6988fdf7d67788c7cd54/tumblr_nd97jtht0E1tgqup7o1_400.gif
1497852;1467777004;Joshua-I;I have some guddens for sure
1497853;1467781258;mircea_popescu;$deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/54eb7a21-11fa-420b-b775-1c3744ff6f98/
1497854;1467781266;Joshua-I;I suggest writing a bible
1497855;1467781290;Joshua-I;Perhaps with a question on graph theory in the front cover
1497856;1467781304;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1497857;1467781347;mircea_popescu;$deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b862fdb3-600c-4ecc-abad-be0cb03b83e8/?raw=true
1497858;1467781358;mircea_popescu;Joshua-I you mean like trilema ?
1497859;1467781364;deedbot;accepted: 1
1497860;1467781371;mircea_popescu;$deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/54eb7a21-11fa-420b-b775-1c3744ff6f98/?raw=true
1497861;1467781389;Joshua-I;Well they would be isomorphic I'm sure
1497862;1467781394;deedbot;accepted: 1
1497863;1467781399;Joshua-I;But at least it'd all be in one link
1497864;1467781403;Joshua-I;;)
1497865;1467781567;mircea_popescu;you realise trilema is however many million words.
1497866;1467781592;Joshua-I;Well I'm sure you can cut some of the posts
1497867;1467781595;mircea_popescu;i forget the figure, but in any case the only way one could be tricked into even starting is by creating the false impression that it's approachable through cutting it up into articles
1497868;1467781706;BingoBoingo;A ponder http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinjoin-not-a-privacy-tool-after-all/#comment-63157
1497869;1467782114;mircea_popescu;worth a chuckle
1497870;1467782247;mats;http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/littoral-combat-ship-congress-navy-pentagon-400-million-pork-214009
1497871;1467782284;mircea_popescu;heh
1497872;1467782367;mircea_popescu;400mn PER ITEM. 10bn or w/e all told.
1497873;1467782577;mircea_popescu;"The House bill, for example, includes $1.5 billion for an unrequested modern “amphibious” warship for dual land and sea missions, $400 million for four unrequested C-40 aircraft to carry cargo and commanders, and $1 billion worth of unrequested National Guard equipment, a perennial pork-barrel favorite, the Taxpayers for Common Sense report said. " << so basically, 1`000`000 smartphones.
1497874;1467782583;mircea_popescu;are there even 1mn people in the natl guard ?
1497875;1467782792;mircea_popescu;$up gabriel_laddel
1497876;1467782792;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1497877;1467782895;gabriel_laddel;Message to future noobs. I spent, on several occasions, multiple days (3-5) doing nothing but reading trilema.com, logs & loper-os to catch up - there is no "hack" to get up to speed.
1497878;1467782918;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: also, you'll be pleased to note that a flash drive of the appropriate size is being shipped to me on thursday
1497879;1467782921;mats;~1.4mn
1497880;1467782932;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel cool deal!
1497881;1467782937;mats;most of which are geriatric fucks
1497882;1467782950;mats;or fatties.
1497883;1467782964;mircea_popescu;mats i bet they could break up a mini-rave.
1497884;1467783000;mircea_popescu;i wonder what uss forth worth would fetch if they gave up the pretense it's a "warship" and just auctioned it off in singapore.
1497885;1467783002;mats;apparently 'walking profile' is a thing (you can walk at a brisk pace instead of running your 2mi in ~15mins)
1497886;1467783017;mats;for the physical fitness test.
1497887;1467783019;mircea_popescu;prolly a better deal than trying to tow it back to maryland or w/e it is they've been trying to do and not managing since january.
1497888;1467783048;mircea_popescu;mats o hey, i qualified today! walked about six miles or so, bout 50 mins
1497889;1467783148;mats;in seriousness, i think its pretty reasonable to keep skilled but physically unfit people
1497890;1467783168;gabriel_laddel;wtf else are you going to do?
1497891;1467783168;mircea_popescu;why ?
1497892;1467783172;mats;and on the whole most of the guardsmen i've ever seen are more fit than the typical cop
1497893;1467783220;mircea_popescu;wtf is the point of having 1.4mn natl guard when all you can ever conceivably use is maybe 20-50k ?
1497894;1467783237;mats;well, they have institutional knowledge over however many 20-30-40 years in .mil and you'll throw it away because they're fat?
1497895;1467783252;mircea_popescu;even that's far fetched, us management capacities bottom out around 1-2k people or so, as seen in both wtc and katrina theatres.
1497896;1467783257;mircea_popescu;anything past that's just chaos.
1497897;1467783279;mircea_popescu;mats "institutional knowledge", explain this to me ? they're gonna put the fire out with mess hall jokes ?
1497898;1467783344;deedbot;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), June 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-june-2016-statement/
1497899;1467783475;mircea_popescu;but leaving that part aside, anyone overweight to the point of impaired mobility is seriously lacking in basic reasoning skills ; i have a hard time buying the theory they're of average intelligence. they probably score slightly above the "can't learn to read and write" and slightly below the "can't learn to drive" camps of retards.
1497900;1467783501;mats;decades of networks, relationships, first-hand knowledge of why things work a particular way, management experience, ...
1497901;1467783635;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1497902;1467783668;mircea_popescu;i suppose the difference is in the concept of what's the mission for this unit. i'm thinking "national guard is for the government to have who to call when it needs a sudden influx of unskilled labour".
1497903;1467783670;mircea_popescu;what's yours ?
1497904;1467783847;mats;well, us national guard has been doing a lot of warfighting recently.
1497905;1467783921;mircea_popescu;true, but this isn't supporting your view, is it ?
1497906;1467783939;mircea_popescu;last thing anyone wants is more fucks you couldn't carry in a warzone.
1497907;1467784245;mircea_popescu;institutional knowledge~= "nur um zu lernen, wie man messer und gabel halt!" in untergang-german.
1497908;1467784309;mats;i dunno that it is so grievous a sin for a pilot aged 61 to be unable to run 2 miles in 20 minutes
1497909;1467784346;mircea_popescu;well, here's the thing : it's not a grevious sin for a 61yo man to not be able to get it up. it is at the very least bizarre for him to be in the cast of a porno movie.
1497910;1467784346;mats;or, even, 41, infantrymen are held to a different standard
1497911;1467784349;mircea_popescu;same idea.
1497912;1467784416;mats;the old guys know where the bodies are buried, whaddya want from me already
1497913;1467784480;mircea_popescu;eh, nothing, nothing, by all means. the youth movement, the old man movement, the fat guy movement, the bla bla, give them all uniforms and hold parades.
1497914;1467784511;mats;lol
1497915;1467784635;mircea_popescu;mats ftr, i've yet to know a man who was in shape throughout his life - some sane athletics in college, not the us crapolade, some hiking or whatever as an adult, who actually couldn't run 10 km/h for 20 minutes.
1497916;1467784654;mircea_popescu;moreover, if it were the case, cardiologist (who didn't prescribe lipitor either) would be on his case about it every visit.
1497917;1467784694;mircea_popescu;sure, performance decays with age, but not that much and not that soon. different for women, granted, they cork out, but whatevs.
1497918;1467786399;mircea_popescu;and in other mahogany bomber news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/b8575a2801c3806f56a118a0f1e4cad2/tumblr_nxaig5ZjB81qb42qto2_1280.jpg
1497919;1467787217;Joshua-I;Somehow all this war talk is putting me in the mood for music
1497920;1467787840;Joshua-I;In other realization news: http://www.ebbits.net/strip/2014.06.18
1497921;1467788106;mircea_popescu;trippy.
1497922;1467806560;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497753 <> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-09#1094155
1497923;1467806560;a111;Logged on 2015-04-09 20:44 mircea_popescu: ascii_field the difference between smart and stupid is that smart can be stupid, but stupid can't be smart. that's it.
1497924;1467806560;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 01:34 asciilifeform: i will become a php monkey shortly after i learn to run the deep fryers at mickeydee's.
1497925;1467806700;phf;debugger is there, just don't listen to mp and carpet disable it, i've not actually ever touched php before, "knows enough" _literally_ copy pasted commands out of LAMP setup tutorial, etc.
1497926;1467807673;mircea_popescu;phf in fairness i disable it because mine works.
1497927;1467807721;mircea_popescu;trinque http://deedbot.org/ << latest deeds not up ?
1497928;1467807773;mircea_popescu;"Hi, My name is Rupa  and I am from very reputed India based Mobile Application Development Company. Our Company conceives, develops and manages high quality applications for mobiles. WE DEVELOP CHART TOPPING MOBILE APPS with world class UI & UX for businesses to whom mobile is equally important as web." << if anyone needs her number.
1497929;1467808455;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/10W7  <<< now with crispier hash
1497930;1467808456;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497931;1467811466;pete_dushenski;"You are right, it's actually easier to create a new identity in the "bitcoin" world than in the "fiat" world." << lolk. except in fiat you can move to next town, next county, next state, next country, next continent, and never run into the same burned and turned peers again. not so in bitcoin.
1497932;1467811499;shinohai;I was shocked at the amount of comments that article generated pete_dushenski
1497933;1467811501;pete_dushenski;the surveillance state has ~nothing on bitcoin in terms of tracking identity
1497934;1467811514;shinohai;Also https://twitter.com/Beautyon_/status/750676033720946689
1497935;1467811531;mircea_popescu;shinohai qntra going mainstream eh.
1497936;1467811580;pete_dushenski;not even two years on eh
1497937;1467811600;mircea_popescu;guess not!
1497938;1467811663;shinohai;To me, prime example of "We'll make our own WoT, with blackjack and hookers!!!!"
1497939;1467811667;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497455 << reepliyed
1497940;1467811667;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 19:04 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://qntra.net/2016/07/suicide-bombers-strike-saudi-arabia/#comment-63127
1497941;1467811701;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-05#1497580 << in which i find out that 'laocoon' was napping and 4k blocks behind o.O
1497942;1467811701;a111;Logged on 2016-07-05 22:35 mod6: i just added a trusted nodes page with: deedbot's, zoolag's and pete d's ips: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html
1497943;1467811761;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. two times already i put that joke with the servant girl playing the head in the haystack game with the local boys only for her mistress to ask if she might join and for the reassuring retort that sure, the husband often does.
1497944;1467811763;mircea_popescu;AND I CANT FIND IT
1497945;1467811772;mircea_popescu;what, i recount it a third time now ? bloody hell...
1497946;1467811913;pete_dushenski;https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/jul/04/do-cows-get-seasick-rotterdam-floating-dairy-farm-netherlands << speaking of milkshakes
1497947;1467811926;mircea_popescu;lol
1497948;1467811999;pete_dushenski;http://67.media.tumblr.com/bfc77913f9666e730204683a2a805958/tumblr_o8r86bfJq31sfrezlo1_250.gif << idem ;)
1497949;1467812082;mircea_popescu;kinda the main problem with fixed tits.
1497950;1467812126;mircea_popescu;vigurous fucking is bad enough for large girls, but if they're fixed the silicone has different dynamic properties from the tissue, can end up with internal bruising and whatnot.
1497951;1467812154;*;shinohai prefers natural titties any day.
1497952;1467812178;mircea_popescu;http://66.media.tumblr.com/b90dab8c98836b1a119487a01e49d9f4/tumblr_ncieqxftES1req2vuo1_500.gif << just as long as there's enough of them, amirite.
1497953;1467812235;shinohai;http://66.media.tumblr.com/cdd243d1859f05f6f42ec45eb3c0f59a/tumblr_mk0rtf8BA91ryvi3lo1_500.jpg
1497954;1467812413;pete_dushenski;https://66.media.tumblr.com/edb8b4b5d7fd85b22e7134492a5341e3/tumblr_o8r84tdIjK1sfrezlo1_500.gif << 4real
1497955;1467812522;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, anyone be a darling put http://trilema.com/2016/on-beatings/ into whichever reddit it is whit the wyminz ? something chromosome ?
1497956;1467812627;shinohai;twoxchromosones.
1497957;1467812649;shinohai;They make it a frivkin default sub so you auto subscribe when you join
1497958;1467812668;mircea_popescu;lol
1497959;1467812724;shinohai;I misspelled chromosomes lol
1497960;1467812728;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/
1497961;1467812776;mircea_popescu;aha
1497962;1467812812;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/4rijd5/on_beatings/   <<< done
1497963;1467812968;shinohai;Naturally I expect to be banned and punched full of pitchfork holes within the hour.
1497964;1467813012;mircea_popescu;sorry about that.
1497965;1467813055;shinohai;Meh I love ruffling their feathers in that sub. Literally takes a minute to make 3 new accounts there.
1497966;1467813057;mircea_popescu;but this is a bidniss idea... pitchfork hole porn... for feministas
1497967;1467813209;mircea_popescu;oh and speaking of untranslatable trilema,
1497968;1467813215;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_radio http://trilema.com/2011/fututul-cu-repetitie/ yo :D
1497969;1467813215;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1497970;1467813294;thestringpuller;bitnodes won't display these nodes now>> http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html but they are def pingable from my nodes
1497971;1467813327;mircea_popescu;heh. da fuck do they know anyway.
1497972;1467813350;shinohai;thestringpuller: It's because we are evil and controlled by @21
1497973;1467813373;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: except mine.
1497974;1467813379;shinohai;*bitnodes is controlled by @21
1497975;1467813407;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: which one is yours?
1497976;1467813408;shinohai;Change your version string to "21co Bitnode" and see how fast it makes top of list
1497977;1467813422;thestringpuller;62.113.203.216 << that guy right?
1497978;1467813427;pete_dushenski;yup
1497979;1467813427;mircea_popescu;lol. "21co Bitnode fucks goats" is version ?
1497980;1467813436;pete_dushenski;ha!
1497981;1467813472;deedbot;[Trilema] On beatings - http://trilema.com/2016/on-beatings/
1497982;1467813498;thestringpuller;wow bitnodes is terrible you have to directly hit the api to get the update info. the search function is completely broke
1497983;1467813512;thestringpuller;what is with these turds they keep dressing up in suits and ties
1497984;1467813514;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiBa4-5YCIA&FEATURE=related << in case you ever wanted your credit card to point you towards mecca
1497985;1467813572;shinohai;VC money hard at work thestringpuller !\
1497986;1467813609;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i don't think they ever maintained that page past the original pr round for it
1497987;1467813703;shinohai;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/750690874191851521   <<< neither will his ego
1497988;1467813774;thestringpuller;"VC money hard at work" << VC money has become the new tax payer dollars being "hard at work"
1497989;1467813797;shinohai;indeed.
1497990;1467813936;shinohai;I guess Balaji Srinivasan gave up on his threat to sue me for defamation. Doesn't want to waste any precious fundz.
1497991;1467814015;thestringpuller;no bitcoin company that took fiat investment amounted to anything
1497992;1467814049;mircea_popescu;who ?
1497993;1467814083;thestringpuller;it's like how sasha grey wanted to be actual star, not just porn star
1497994;1467814187;shinohai;lol
1497995;1467814193;mircea_popescu;o she did ?
1497996;1467814196;mircea_popescu;what'd she make ?
1497997;1467814268;*;asciilifeform reads 'vc', automatically thinks 'viet cong'
1497998;1467814395;mircea_popescu;http://67.media.tumblr.com/86823d9a14b3294ac6051791f2462e24/tumblr_nu1i0yOjGs1ucu78yo1_500.gif << vc ie "very clean" :D
1497999;1467814477;mircea_popescu;lol roger ver is still around ? the self-mining comedy goldmine!
1498000;1467814646;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497963 << seems not, check it out https://archive.is/gyoX1
1498001;1467814646;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 13:49 shinohai: Naturally I expect to be banned and punched full of pitchfork holes within the hour.
1498002;1467814649;mircea_popescu;100% UPBOAT
1498003;1467814667;shinohai;Mods are asleep :D
1498004;1467814695;mircea_popescu;kik @ the "content rules" thingee.
1498005;1467814701;mircea_popescu;ODIOUS INFLUXES!!!
1498006;1467814708;mircea_popescu;i guess womenz know all about this topic ?
1498007;1467814730;asciilifeform;'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0' << this has really gone on long enough.
1498008;1467815203;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497925 << phf wrote working theme from scratch by cutting and pasting ?!
1498009;1467815203;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 12:05 phf: debugger is there, just don't listen to mp and carpet disable it, i've not actually ever touched php before, "knows enough" _literally_ copy pasted commands out of LAMP setup tutorial, etc.
1498010;1467815219;mircea_popescu;i'd expect so ?
1498011;1467815230;mircea_popescu;ftm, iirc he said so.
1498012;1467815265;asciilifeform;turns out his cutter and paster beats mine.
1498013;1467815335;mircea_popescu;well, you're more dedicated to deciding stuff doesn't work as widely as it'd guarantee to unworking stuff makes it in. this is suicidal for web-anything.
1498014;1467815346;mircea_popescu;no unworking stuff*
1498015;1467815376;asciilifeform;i have a ratchet
1498016;1467815376;mircea_popescu;in other news, security consultants make terrible stand-up comedians.
1498017;1467815394;shinohai;"IWF ... has provided a database of bitcoin addresses associated with sexual abuse to the startup. Elliptic" http://archive.is/CmZNi
1498018;1467815395;asciilifeform;if x worked to level l, ever, in my entire experience, then if if works to < l, then 'it dun work'.
1498019;1467815405;asciilifeform;which is right and proper.
1498020;1467815414;mircea_popescu;no argument.
1498021;1467815460;mircea_popescu;imagine that wonder if you will, guy in black suit goes up on stage, eyes dart around nervously, then he proceeds... "Hey, ever heard about the... hey! HEY MR! Yes you in the 2nd row. What's that in your jacket ???"
1498022;1467815584;mircea_popescu;shinohai what the ?
1498023;1467815601;mircea_popescu;someone tell @pete_rizzo_ THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS ILLICIT BITCOIN USE
1498024;1467815617;mircea_popescu;and if there is, i'ma say what. not fucking usg, or for that matter pete rizzo.
1498025;1467815632;mircea_popescu;derps.
1498026;1467815663;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/14/first-largest-bestest-ever-in-the-us/ << pete rizzo history
1498027;1467815723;pete_dushenski;hm thought there was more on him in that one. must be confusing him for another coindesktard
1498028;1467815728;mircea_popescu;so small, so dumb, and already has a history ?
1498029;1467815766;shinohai;I wonder how they obtained said db of addresses. Did owners sign messages saying "I use this Bitcoin addy to make sexually abusive purchases" ?
1498030;1467815768;mircea_popescu;anyone know the joke with the ceausescu visiting the queen ?
1498031;1467815780;*;pete_dushenski wants to hear it
1498032;1467815785;mircea_popescu;shinohai same way they obtain anything else : scratched ass, smelled finger.
1498033;1467815791;shinohai;lol
1498034;1467815833;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski ceausescu visits queen. the respective delegations are introduced : on the english side, Lord Peppytoe, Lord Muskrat, Lord Fuckhorse and Lord Vomitoss
1498035;1467815869;mircea_popescu;on the romanian side, andrei popescu, ion popescu, nicolae popescu, gheorghe popescu and a shock : the 26 yo mihai popescu, lost in this sea of 50 to 60 yos.
1498036;1467815873;mircea_popescu;a gasp from the audience
1498037;1467815878;mircea_popescu;"so young and deja popescu!"
1498038;1467815987;pete_dushenski;lol. took me a minute!
1498039;1467816043;mircea_popescu;english humor, like english weather, rite ? if you don't like, give it a minute.
1498040;1467816044;pete_dushenski;"BitPay’s market cap of $160M is 106,667 BTC, which is a shit-ton for a company that doesn’t publish its financials, but still less than 11% of the big bad MPEx." << from last linked contravex. lol different times eh.
1498041;1467816078;thestringpuller;BitPay's market cap is a lot less than that
1498042;1467816083;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh. isn't bitpay the thing that failed to close financing last year and is probably going to go for a few mn this year ?
1498043;1467816083;thestringpuller;unless they are getting money under the table
1498044;1467816115;thestringpuller;from what i've been told the insurance claim on the phished coins is going to fall through so they'll have to write it off as an expense and hope one day they get a tax credit when they make actual money
1498045;1467816143;thestringpuller;they are barely treading water, and are hiring interns for cheap instead of real staff cause they are running out of funds
1498046;1467816152;thestringpuller;(also notice the aggressive push to charge for their services)
1498047;1467816286;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "bitpay the thing that failed to close financing" << If they can increase the block size they might get some more money ;) But at this point wouldn't the leadership have to publicly perform seppekku to make them at all trustworthy?
1498048;1467816312;mircea_popescu;apropos the nothing : here's how you find the "unseen votes" value on reddit = x = vote_count * (1- implied downvote %) / (printed upvote % - implied downvote %).
1498049;1467816343;mircea_popescu;so, should an article have "3 votes, 81% upvoted", x = 3*19/62 = ~1. therefore of the total 5 votes, one was against
1498050;1467816369;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller only marginally been watching
1498051;1467816741;shinohai;Hey it has survived one hour with only 1 downboat, I'm pretty impressed.
1498052;1467817093;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/750009401591816192 << i have to admit this guy does get some lulz from me
1498053;1467817162;asciilifeform;the 'physical btc' crapolade never gets old, does it
1498054;1467817216;thestringpuller;i think he engraved that into the blockheader...
1498055;1467817222;thestringpuller;i dunno tho.
1498056;1467817254;asciilifeform;linked item is a physical toy.
1498057;1467817261;asciilifeform;http://store.btcc.com/products/2016-n-series-bitcoin-block-with-forever-engraving
1498058;1467817272;thestringpuller;It's loaded with the coinbase from a mined block.
1498059;1467817285;thestringpuller;And whatever you engrave I think you can have put in the coinheader
1498060;1467817287;thestringpuller;you pay up front
1498061;1467817408;thestringpuller;Sauce "Optionally, you can order your Bitcoin Block with a personalized Forever™ message. With Forever™, your personalized message will be both permanently engraved on the global bitcoin blockchain and laser etched onto your Bitcoin Block."
1498062;1467817425;thestringpuller;Mow has one that says, "Bitcoin has failed" - Mike Hearn
1498063;1467817441;asciilifeform;i dun care if it is made of gold, shitanium, hitler's skull, etc.; my take on folks selling envelopes which may or may not contain a funded privkey, and may or may not contain the ONLY extant copy thereof, remains same.
1498064;1467817478;asciilifeform;dollars to doughnuts, all existing 'physical btc' have backup privkeys somewhere.
1498065;1467817517;asciilifeform;and as usd sinks, the temptation to ~use~ them, for whatever lost soul has them in possession, will exponentially up.
1498066;1467817524;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: https://btc.blockr.io/address/info/1F5xqnvL9DPdF64FGarNTDLxYBuQQfPx2E << the first bitcoin i ever bought.
1498067;1467817532;thestringpuller;minted by casascius
1498068;1467817578;asciilifeform;what of it ?
1498069;1467817621;thestringpuller;The likelihood of a duplicate key existing is linked to casascius web of trust
1498070;1467817624;thestringpuller;speaking of
1498071;1467817641;thestringpuller;$rated casascius
1498072;1467817641;deedbot;thestringpuller rated casascius 2 at 2014/06/22 13:45:58 << never met him never talked to him. after buying my first bitcoins, I turned one into a Casascius coin. Haven't opened, maybe never will. He is the hero Bitcoin needs.
1498073;1467817691;thestringpuller;will neg rate if I look at pub address can't use key. or if i crack open coin and can't sweep key.
1498074;1467817850;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: this is a 'protocol vs promise' issue.
1498075;1467817871;asciilifeform;when you transact with btc the way it was built to be transacted with, the problem does not exist.
1498076;1467817897;asciilifeform;when you trade plastic, titanium, whatever, toys, that may-or-may-not-contain-valid-and-only-privkey-for-x-btc, you expose yourself.
1498077;1467817908;asciilifeform;in entirely, imho, unnecessary way.
1498078;1467817929;asciilifeform;the exchange value of the toy ought to be LESS than of naked coin, not more.
1498079;1467817942;asciilifeform;(but ~by how much~ less, is unquantifiable, as the risk is.)
1498080;1467817973;asciilifeform;it is quite unclear to me why ~promise~ needed to be re-introduced to where there was perfectly working ~protocol~.
1498081;1467818119;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497927 << anyone see tx 3b25814dbf1ff4982ccc1e0a44fed01f53e36a1350ec2ac2aeb15ba8c625fa70 which spent to 12zsNY4cHrwc39WqHZd3seSWudgbztF9Bp
1498082;1467818119;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 12:22 mircea_popescu: trinque http://deedbot.org/ << latest deeds not up ?
1498083;1467818126;asciilifeform;when you pop the coin, 25 years later, and it turns out to contain 0,
1498084;1467818127;trinque;my node seems to think it sent it
1498085;1467818130;asciilifeform;you will NOT know why.
1498086;1467818149;asciilifeform;for all you know, it could have been a burglar who broke in 10 years earlier, and read the key using the device i described here.
1498087;1467818175;asciilifeform;or it could have been nsa backdoor in the machine where the keys were genned
1498088;1467818177;asciilifeform;or, or, or.
1498089;1467818203;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: or aliens could have read the private key from the psionic thoughts of the person creating the keys when they abducted him in the middle of kansas
1498090;1467818235;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: in so far as you, user of 'physical coin', will be concerned, it may as well have been martians, yes.
1498091;1467818242;asciilifeform;for all of the recourse you will have.
1498092;1467818269;asciilifeform;the 'physical coin' is a fundamentally, definitionally bezzlatronic device
1498093;1467818281;asciilifeform;because it creates the necessary conditions for bezzle, but without any upside
1498094;1467818291;asciilifeform;galbraith's original bezzle
1498095;1467818324;asciilifeform;y'know, that one, 'Embezzlement, Galbraith observed, has the property that “weeks, months, or years elapse between the commission of the crime and its discovery. This is the period, incidentally, when the embezzler has his gain and the man who has been embezzled feels no loss. There is a net increase in psychic wealth.” Galbraith described that increase in wealth as “the bezzle.”'
1498096;1467818391;shinohai;thestringpuller: You ever seen my friend Mitchell's collection?
1498097;1467818574;thestringpuller;shinohai: i don't think so. i've only seen smickles' collection
1498098;1467818580;asciilifeform;is everyone here familiar with standard vs iterated prisoner's dilemma ?
1498099;1467818605;asciilifeform;iterated pd has a nash equilibrium, 'tit for tat'
1498100;1467818610;asciilifeform;what we know as 'you fuck me, i negrate'
1498101;1467818623;asciilifeform;STANDARD, single-shot prisoner's dilemma, has EXACTLY ONE SANE STRATEGY:
1498102;1467818626;asciilifeform;'defect'.
1498103;1467818640;asciilifeform;i posit that 'physical bitcoin' is a ~single shot~ prisoner's dilemma.
1498104;1467818674;asciilifeform;and that a substantial fraction, perhaps ALL, of minters, kept backups.
1498105;1467818683;shinohai;thestringpuller: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1261680.0
1498106;1467818686;asciilifeform;correctly supposing that folks will wait for years, decades, to open the package
1498107;1467818707;asciilifeform;and they can cash out when btc is worth $maxint but before most of the chumps scratch that hologram.
1498108;1467818836;thestringpuller;yes, and this is why we have wot
1498109;1467818844;thestringpuller;"minter x negrate"
1498110;1467818844;asciilifeform;sigh.
1498111;1467818849;asciilifeform;wot ONLY WORKS FOR ITERATED PD
1498112;1467818853;asciilifeform;srsly this is hard concept ?
1498113;1467818858;thestringpuller;I get what you're saying, but this is why "don't spend more than can afford to lose"
1498114;1467818881;asciilifeform;'only strategy is defect' means: 'spend 0 because you are quite likely to lose ALL'
1498115;1467818893;asciilifeform;it is a thing with 0 up-side, like putting arm into bear trap
1498116;1467818917;thestringpuller;well when casascius scams me you can be the first to "I told you so"
1498117;1467818925;asciilifeform;in bezzlandia at least they have the decency to make government bond, which is what 'physical coin' fundamentally resembles, worth more than the sticker price, at least nominally
1498118;1467818959;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: you won't be able to pin it on casascius. it'll be blamed on 'hack', or even crypto break, or even on your house having been broken into once at some point with 'nothing stolen'
1498119;1467819030;asciilifeform;or it will be blamed on you, and the cheap and readily available, by that time, device for reading key through the paper sticker, will create the necessary confusion re who the 'real sc4mz0r' is, in the eyes of others
1498120;1467819155;asciilifeform;'physical btc' is fundamentally, physically, a bad idea, like trying to build an airplane that runs on hay and oats.
1498121;1467819167;asciilifeform;and steered with reins.
1498122;1467819205;asciilifeform;precisely the kind of fundamental bad idea that leads to 'no one could have predicted!1111' (tm) (r).
1498123;1467819232;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-17#1374612 << where is the line drawn between bezzle, and the former?
1498124;1467819232;a111;Logged on 2016-01-17 21:13 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.
1498125;1467819268;thestringpuller;that is when does my invoice to sultan of brunei become "physical btc"
1498126;1467819273;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: that they play iterated dilemma. their settlements don't take decades.
1498127;1467819328;thestringpuller;so threshold is settlement time? what is greatest amount of time still acceptable for settlement?
1498128;1467819342;asciilifeform;not 'unknown # of years or possibly never'
1498129;1467819345;asciilifeform;that's for sure.
1498130;1467819790;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes https://au.pinterest.com/karafern << yer pet posted photos? spiffy log cabin
1498131;1467819791;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1498132;1467820061;asciilifeform;(i have nfi why folks send me this stuff.)
1498133;1467820264;asciilifeform;incidentally thestringpuller notice what happens when settlement ~is~ 'unknown number of decades.' you get vaults full of tungsten gold.
1498134;1467820416;mircea_popescu;incidentally : someone writing a tex processor for serenity (ex mp-wp) themes that shinohai can then just import as a standard would be pretty epic.
1498135;1467820431;mircea_popescu;imagine alf, proper web rendering! no more need of pdfs, ever!
1498136;1467820431;asciilifeform;it'd be mondo heavy
1498137;1467820437;asciilifeform;can you even picture, the mass
1498138;1467820438;mircea_popescu;so ?
1498139;1467820441;asciilifeform;so no.
1498140;1467820446;mircea_popescu;i'd use it.
1498141;1467820448;asciilifeform;no 300MB turds in my browser, plox.
1498142;1467820460;asciilifeform;processor to bitmap, would be another matter
1498143;1467820464;asciilifeform;(server side)
1498144;1467820470;asciilifeform;and iirc this exists... is called... tex!
1498145;1467820470;mircea_popescu;well yes ?
1498146;1467820479;thestringpuller;imagemagick
1498147;1467820481;mircea_popescu;it's not written in php afaik.
1498148;1467820503;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: aha. "Well settle when we feel like it. for tungsten bars" so what you have described is the process in which you could put tungsten into bitcoin bars
1498149;1467820506;trinque;so how is it that my node thinks 3b25814dbf1ff4982ccc1e0a44fed01f53e36a1350ec2ac2aeb15ba8c625fa70 is in block 419551 ?
1498150;1467820511;trinque;this is strange
1498151;1467820514;shinohai;convert all images to base64 ftw
1498152;1467820520;thestringpuller;interestingly that all these require the user to voluntarily be scammed
1498153;1467820540;mircea_popescu;trinque i has nfi, all i know is i put deeds in, wanted to add them to s.mg report, can't add because no link!
1498154;1467820546;trinque;yeah well, bitcoin!
1498155;1467820548;trinque;lol
1498156;1467820562;mircea_popescu;shinohai fucks up caching, watch your bw go from 2-8tb to 10-20 pb
1498157;1467820563;trinque;I am wedged at 419554 too
1498158;1467820563;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: twist is that 'physical btc' can be tungstened ~remotely~ at ~any time~
1498159;1467820579;mircea_popescu;trinque i see 570
1498160;1467820594;shinohai;mircea_popescu: forgot the /s which doesn't readily translate
1498161;1467820614;mircea_popescu;lol
1498162;1467820633;mircea_popescu;nah, the ability to write a+b/(c+d)^3 and have it painted it out in the article is something.
1498163;1467820659;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu hated 2d notations!1111
1498164;1467820672;mircea_popescu;i like abilities.
1498165;1467820710;mircea_popescu;besides, normalized proper notation goes into alt tag anyway.
1498166;1467820711;asciilifeform;anyway 'mathml' was supposed to have been a thing.
1498167;1467820718;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1498168;1467820719;asciilifeform;and even existed for a spell, and was then abolished
1498169;1467820722;asciilifeform;i have nfi why.
1498170;1467820739;asciilifeform;iirc google's implementation was the only one, and turned out so buggy that they axed it.
1498171;1467820762;mircea_popescu;i'm currently wondering if sex in alf household is something pet always initiates, and has to fight through a barrage of "this won't work and has already been done but it went away" first!
1498172;1467820785;asciilifeform;lel
1498173;1467820824;asciilifeform;or in mircea_popescu household, is slaving over php substituted for sex, because it is just as fun to do for the 1,000,001st time ?
1498174;1467820848;mircea_popescu;actually, i mostly teach the girls to compute via bash
1498175;1467820888;mircea_popescu;picture kat with learning hat on and nothing else. "how was that thing that output a file ?" "cat" "yes master ?" "cat!" eyes me intensely.
1498176;1467820918;mircea_popescu;"cat with a c!" "ohhh"
1498177;1467821041;shinohai;Pretty sure I got shadowbanned from r/twoxchromosomes. Post no longer appears in /new
1498178;1467821048;mircea_popescu;awww
1498179;1467821072;mircea_popescu;well if you weren't such a sperglord...
1498180;1467821138;shinohai;Indeed.
1498181;1467821151;mircea_popescu;wonder what the self.justification is
1498182;1467821202;mircea_popescu;"your submission is so exciting is not interesting and so offensive it fails to actually say anything we disagree with"
1498183;1467821340;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498052 << why is its/it's so hard neways.
1498184;1467821340;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 14:58 thestringpuller: https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/750009401591816192 << i have to admit this guy does get some lulz from me
1498185;1467821368;trinque;now it claims this transaction is in block 419560 !!
1498186;1467821389;shinohai;We need BIGGER BLOCKS TO FIX THIS
1498187;1467821412;mircea_popescu;cuz if the blocks were bigger it wouldn't matter which one it was in amirite ?
1498188;1467821425;trinque;it's just saying whichever block the node is currently on
1498189;1467821425;mircea_popescu;also no signatures plox, they are triggering and unequitable to poor black women
1498190;1467821449;trinque;"n-no really, it's in this block this time, I swear"
1498191;1467821470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498080 << people enjoy promise, it's a fundamental part of human sexual behaviour.
1498192;1467821470;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 15:12 asciilifeform: it is quite unclear to me why ~promise~ needed to be re-introduced to where there was perfectly working ~protocol~.
1498193;1467821498;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463317 << obligatory
1498194;1467821498;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 13:03 asciilifeform: the thermodynamic 'taboo against the coincidence' is described in, oddly enough, winnie pooh! '"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.'
1498195;1467821537;asciilifeform;people enjoy plenty of bad habits.
1498196;1467821546;mircea_popescu;aha.
1498197;1467821547;asciilifeform;eat enough honey, and you end up in BingoBoingo's pics.
1498198;1467821556;mircea_popescu;trinque i see no such tx.
1498199;1467821609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you recall the "bitcoin gem" "gold bar" etc ponzi ?
1498200;1467821617;asciilifeform;aha
1498201;1467821626;asciilifeform;it was like ~every other ponzi, iirc
1498202;1467821638;asciilifeform;(i know of it solely from l0gz and mircea_popescu's recollection)
1498203;1467821638;trinque;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2db8bf37-64c1-4198-891c-2d9684c41a18/
1498204;1467821640;trinque;sseems like a bug
1498205;1467821644;mircea_popescu;same EXACT thing, with the negligible difference that nubbins-likes like this scam and don't like that scam
1498206;1467821647;mircea_popescu;also sexual reasons.
1498207;1467821668;mircea_popescu;trinque highs ?
1498208;1467821683;trinque;running with -lows
1498209;1467821703;mircea_popescu;get the raw rather than unpacked plox ?
1498210;1467821709;trinque;hm it says 0 confirmations
1498211;1467821720;trinque;so perhaps bitcoin just lies and says "current block" in that field when unconfirmed
1498212;1467822498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: curious, which sexual reasons
1498213;1467822507;asciilifeform;would lead a nubbins to prefer one 'gold' brick to other.
1498214;1467822576;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the terms of http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117957 it is "more like car".
1498215;1467822598;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between millenial style perv, who jacks it to webcams, and john waters era perv, who jacks it to used stockings.
1498216;1467822774;mircea_popescu;not a difference in terms of perversion, of course, neither's workable, or real, or etc. but there's a difference in terms of practice, if cable company delivers a box of used stockings instead of modem it'll hear no end of reddit mentions.
1498217;1467823024;mircea_popescu;similarly, apparently there's a difference between "owning" a "bitcoin gem" that exists chiefly as a succession of forum posts ; and "owning" a "physical bitcoin" that exists chiefly as a succession of gpg-signed promises.
1498218;1467823059;mircea_popescu;i can readily see this difference, myself : the later's perhaps a useful toy to get idiots to formally behave sanely. it is oft misplaced, like the hope that if you daily dress a pig in clean underwear, it'll turn into a price.
1498219;1467823085;mircea_popescu;the original nubbins' failure to matter is a fine example in exactly this vein - you can't take the pig out of the pig just because you want another prince.
1498220;1467823108;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, children play with toy guns rather than functional rifles.
1498221;1467823146;asciilifeform;it sorta makes sense
1498222;1467823173;asciilifeform;esp now that i recall the 'physical gold' folks' reaction to bitcoin
1498223;1467823188;mircea_popescu;there's also the important consideration of "conversation piece". this is entirely a hermetic concept to anyone living outside of the anglosphere, which is to say sanely inserted in a functioning social fabric.
1498224;1467823211;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, the anglotards have taken the puritanism to such absurd degree they can't talk to each other unless at least vaguely going through the motions of selling something
1498225;1467823228;mircea_popescu;because obviously any other sort of talk is impure! SATAN!
1498226;1467823230;asciilifeform;sorta how racoon submerges his food, because 'must fish'
1498227;1467823235;asciilifeform;even in the zoo.
1498228;1467823236;mircea_popescu;so... you gotta have a token in hand
1498229;1467823242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite so!
1498230;1467823372;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498101 << and it's two. stick for females ; defect for males.
1498231;1467823372;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 15:23 asciilifeform: STANDARD, single-shot prisoner's dilemma, has EXACTLY ONE SANE STRATEGY:
1498232;1467823381;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "one shot" in nature. the genes also speak.
1498233;1467823467;asciilifeform;fact is, at some point those backup keyz will be worth more than whatever decades-old reputation the retired casascius etc folk had.
1498234;1467823478;asciilifeform;at which point - bang.
1498235;1467823489;mircea_popescu;fact is, there's more masochists than sadists, and always will be.
1498236;1467823496;asciilifeform;(and the unexistence of the backup can never, in principle, be demonstrated.)
1498237;1467823523;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: esp if you count the sadomasochists!111
1498238;1467823551;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing, not anymore than "faggotsbians"
1498239;1467823605;asciilifeform;the stickerz in mircea_popescu's club lied to me!1111
1498240;1467823612;mircea_popescu;stickers lie.
1498241;1467823623;*;asciilifeform has monumentally nfi
1498242;1467823632;mircea_popescu;wait, what stickers ?
1498243;1467823685;asciilifeform;they had these stickers with, something like, 'sadist', 'masochist', 'both'
1498244;1467823697;mircea_popescu;mno. dominant, sub, switch.
1498245;1467823706;mircea_popescu;that's a social behaviour.
1498246;1467823707;asciilifeform;so what, then, is switch ?
1498247;1467823747;mircea_popescu;the sadism/masochism thing deals with pain ; the dom/sub thing deals with behaviour. they're not really the same thing.
1498248;1467823777;mircea_popescu;imagine you go to a mcdonalds and sort the staff in : tall or short ; respectively management, labour or both.
1498249;1467823851;mircea_popescu;there's some relation between tall and management, but if it is it's a statistical rather than a deductive link.
1498250;1467823920;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498130 << omaygerd, pinterest! the bag is out of the kat! TROLL NAO
1498251;1467823920;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 15:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes https://au.pinterest.com/karafern << yer pet posted photos? spiffy log cabin
1498252;1467823944;asciilifeform;apparently ben_vulpes's woman is a movie star!111
1498253;1467823947;ben_vulpes;yeesh
1498254;1467823954;mircea_popescu;no ? what's she been in ?
1498255;1467823968;asciilifeform;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5211871
1498256;1467823972;ben_vulpes;leave my bird alone
1498257;1467823975;mircea_popescu;jesus pinterest is a pos, seriously, "log in with facebook" ? what the shit
1498258;1467823982;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it's a perfectly respectable job!1111
1498259;1467824000;ben_vulpes;so is running a household.
1498260;1467824007;asciilifeform;aha
1498261;1467824025;asciilifeform;i have pet stationed 100% there
1498262;1467824032;mircea_popescu;pageant girl ?!
1498263;1467824037;asciilifeform;nfi
1498264;1467824049;asciilifeform;some indy film, i suppose?
1498265;1467824067;mircea_popescu;dude the made-up names srsly... Director: Benjamin Ross Lyerly Writers: Byron Diffenderffer, Maria Martin gimme a break
1498266;1467824084;mircea_popescu;Viscount Porphirous McPuffin whynot
1498267;1467824097;*;asciilifeform has monumentally nfi. maybe whole thing was cia front.
1498268;1467824110;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform shelved in 2012.
1498269;1467824126;asciilifeform;anyway ben_vulpes's son is also panda, like pete's !11
1498270;1467824159;ben_vulpes;i am the mole
1498271;1467824162;ben_vulpes;also panda?
1498272;1467824169;mircea_popescu;"dead not dancing" apparently also made "pet world". i guess we look there for alf's ?
1498273;1467824173;asciilifeform;l0l!
1498274;1467824177;*;asciilifeform looks into 'pet world'
1498275;1467824195;asciilifeform;'The suspicious death of a pet snake puts a chokehold on a loving father.'
1498276;1467824199;mircea_popescu;The suspicious death of a pet snake puts a chokehold on a loving father. Director: Jake Eide Writers: Jocelyn Eide (story), Jocelyn Eide
1498277;1467824203;mircea_popescu;holy shit portland.
1498278;1467824229;mircea_popescu;in other news, this camille collard chick's hawt. she single ben_vulpes ?
1498279;1467824237;*;ben_vulpes preens in the retardation rays
1498280;1467824254;ben_vulpes;aaah
1498281;1467824257;ben_vulpes;maybe?
1498282;1467824259;mircea_popescu;what, you don't know her ? EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE IN TINYTOWN OREGONZ!
1498283;1467824265;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ask 'er for me ?
1498284;1467824274;ben_vulpes;no, i'm trying to think about if she mentioned any sort of so last time she was over
1498285;1467824277;mircea_popescu;"hey, this asshole from irc wants to know if you're single"
1498286;1467824301;mircea_popescu;there's your conversation piece right there, should be enough for a wine bottle's worth
1498287;1467824309;ben_vulpes;like which babe was that? the one who is in la now or the one coming back from la or the one who won't shut up about how miserable the guys in la and portland are?
1498288;1467824324;mircea_popescu;hopefully teh 2nd.
1498289;1467824339;mircea_popescu;by which i mean 3rd or w/e.
1498290;1467824404;mircea_popescu;incidentally, for all the naive engineering types who despise make-up and other feminine arts :
1498291;1467824409;mircea_popescu;with http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDI4Mjg4OTQ0NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNTc1MDgwNjE@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,665,1000_AL_.jpg
1498292;1467824410;mircea_popescu;without http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ0MzExMTQyM15BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNjIyMTkyMjE@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,660,1000_AL_.jpg
1498293;1467824435;asciilifeform;they are both With!1111
1498294;1467824435;asciilifeform;SCAM
1498295;1467824451;mircea_popescu;shut up and bitcoin gem.
1498296;1467824456;asciilifeform;lel
1498297;1467824460;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha housepersoning ok that's fucking cute.
1498298;1467824501;mircea_popescu;but listen ben_vulpes why's the tiny icon the picture of the redhead kissing some other guy ?
1498299;1467824633;ben_vulpes;why's that photo of me kissing some other girl is what i want to know
1498300;1467824662;mircea_popescu;wait, bro! DYEL!
1498301;1467824695;mircea_popescu;and in other "dear viagra internet pharmacies, plox spam mr vulpes, here's proof :" news, https://twitter.com/Zimthaus/status/743549622010798080
1498302;1467824813;asciilifeform;dafuq is that
1498303;1467824831;*;mircea_popescu has deeply nfi!!11
1498304;1467825246;mircea_popescu;" The B and I, we are grownups with a child and a business. We had a soul-digging nonfight because he flicked water on my face with a straw." << dawg who knew stalking people's sm (social media!) is such juicy gossip material!
1498305;1467825644;danielpbarron;http://www.ebbits.net/strip/2010.08.23 << lol
1498306;1467825881;ben_vulpes;> and then he popped the straw
1498307;1467825884;ben_vulpes;oh lol i remember that
1498308;1467825892;ben_vulpes;"but it was so loud!"
1498309;1467825897;ben_vulpes;"dude this is not an issue."
1498310;1467825901;asciilifeform;waiwut
1498311;1467825932;mircea_popescu;anyway ben_vulpes chick's pretty cool, mazel tov.
1498312;1467826356;ben_vulpes;and you're just seeing the public stuffs.
1498313;1467826603;mircea_popescu;by definition lol.
1498314;1467826640;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other essay and literary criticism news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/693a6828c61b02d082a0d4570b7ad068/tumblr_n0ssuaUbnk1re2958o1_500.gif
1498315;1467827360;ben_vulpes;socialist tax nyooz: http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/ontario-tried-a-speculation-tax-on-property-and-the-market-collapsed-overnight
1498316;1467827466;mircea_popescu;heh
1498317;1467827515;ben_vulpes;"like your town the way it is? raise property taxes until people stop moving there."
1498318;1467827552;shinohai;http://archive.is/ktmDF   <<< top kek
1498319;1467827618;shinohai;"the few reddit communities that haven’t yet contracted cancer."
1498320;1467829367;mircea_popescu;yeah, totally dudes will stick around to bro online if there were no womenz to pull the ponytails of.
1498321;1467831116;asciilifeform;in other non-nyooz, apparently this exists, http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/housing/sfh/reo/goodn/gnndabot
1498322;1467831128;asciilifeform;'Law enforcement officers, pre-Kindergarten through 12th grade teachers, firefighters and emergency medical technicians can contribute to community revitalization while becoming homeowners through HUD's Good Neighbor Next Door Sales Program. HUD offers a substantial incentive in the form of a discount of 50% from the list price of the home. In return you must commit to live in the property for 36 months as your sole residence.'
1498323;1467831602;mircea_popescu;so you can buy 15 houses as a teacher fgor 50% off over your career ?
1498324;1467831610;asciilifeform;nah apparently you gotta live in it
1498325;1467831613;mircea_popescu;not a bad plan altogether, romania has something similar with firstyhome buyers
1498326;1467831616;asciilifeform;so 1 at a time.
1498327;1467831620;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yea but only 3 years
1498328;1467831623;asciilifeform;aha.
1498329;1467831929;asciilifeform;the moar interesting aspect imho is ~which~ civil servants they arbitrarily picked as proxy for 'won't deal dope' or whatever it is.
1498330;1467831945;asciilifeform;not postmen, not patent clerks, but police, firemen, etc
1498331;1467831947;mircea_popescu;i doubt that's what it is.
1498332;1467831954;asciilifeform;why not postman
1498333;1467831956;mircea_popescu;they prolly justwent through "which govt items are understaffed"
1498334;1467831963;mircea_popescu;cuz he's mobile so not a problem.
1498335;1467831985;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1498336;1467831989;mircea_popescu;if teacher has to commute ON TOP of dealing with the fucktarded spawn of contemporary america, she's just as likely going to turn tricks in las vegas or homeperson
1498337;1467832012;mircea_popescu;and while whores and housewives are fine and dandy, there's a sharply limited demand.
1498338;1467832022;mircea_popescu;whereas for teacher, i know of no time or place where there were enough
1498339;1467832049;asciilifeform;in urban usa, their attrition rate is a wonder to behold
1498340;1467832059;mircea_popescu;myea
1498341;1467832080;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488802 << xcode takes what appears to be 1/16th of a second to switch between text files
1498342;1467832080;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 21:53 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488618 << this i can see.
1498343;1467832083;ben_vulpes;what the fuck.
1498344;1467832196;asciilifeform;l0l xcode
1498345;1467832212;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to use it, to build for the pnohe
1498346;1467832216;asciilifeform;just the compiler.
1498347;1467832231;asciilifeform;(do you even have to use crapple's compiler ?)
1498348;1467832401;asciilifeform;also i don't have palpable eval delays in sbcl, what the fuq
1498349;1467832405;asciilifeform;not now, not ever
1498350;1467832422;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: granted
1498351;1467832434;ben_vulpes;each of us to his own entomology
1498352;1467832448;ben_vulpes;rest assured i will be wrapping emacs around ios dev this week.
1498353;1467832460;ben_vulpes;first i want to see what this "world class ide" looks like
1498354;1467832465;ben_vulpes;"intellisense!!1"
1498355;1467832474;ben_vulpes;breaks 95% of the time.
1498356;1467832479;ben_vulpes;"you just don't know how to use it!"
1498357;1467832519;ben_vulpes;nevermind that it doesn't do *anything* for api discovery. utility seems limited to fuzzy method name completion.
1498358;1467832653;mircea_popescu;in other news, romanian nuclear activities thing went "bankrupt" last month.
1498359;1467832691;mircea_popescu;for all the derps derping about the ill effects of russian colonisation, us colonisation turned romania from this place which produced heavy water to the degree france was sucking its cock cca 1996 to ... well...
1498360;1467833392;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: iirc 'intellisense' was microshit's thing
1498361;1467833417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same thing happened to bulgaria, in even shorter time
1498362;1467833440;asciilifeform;last i recall, they fitted 'general electric' fuel rods to the 1 remaining sov reactor, it is a pop waiting to happen
1498363;1467833458;asciilifeform;and they, too, transformed from (agricultural) exporter, to mournful shithole
1498364;1467833588;mircea_popescu;myeah. well, "the community" agreed it "wants in nato and eu" amirite ?
1498365;1467833590;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em.
1498366;1467833598;*;mircea_popescu has never particularly liked romanians to begin with.
1498367;1467833604;asciilifeform;$s leather seats
1498368;1467833604;a111;2 results for "leather seats", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=leather%20seats
1498369;1467833621;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-04#544127
1498370;1467833621;a111;Logged on 2014-03-04 01:25 asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!'
1498371;1467833628;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-04#544129
1498372;1467833628;a111;Logged on 2014-03-04 01:25 asciilifeform: counter-derper: 'as the leather seats'
1498373;1467833650;asciilifeform;no orc ever 'rides' in the 'friendly' west except as a leather seat.
1498374;1467833657;asciilifeform;or lampshade.
1498375;1467833684;asciilifeform;(in capacity as a man? possibly. as orcish traitor? leather strictly.)
1498376;1467833684;mircea_popescu;well in that conflict the ro were on the other side.
1498377;1467833799;asciilifeform;iirc gandi seriously considered bending over for japan
1498378;1467833804;asciilifeform;just to get out of british
1498379;1467833815;asciilifeform;prolly would have gone quite like this.
1498380;1467833838;asciilifeform;'i'ma run off from the plantation, to this other plantation'
1498381;1467835918;deedbot;[Qntra] Avid Life Media Under FTC Investigation - http://qntra.net/2016/07/avid-life-media-under-ftc-investigation/
1498382;1467837538;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] On The Beating of Wives - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/on-the-beating-of-wives/
1498383;1467839439;danielpbarron;$v B811163A583707E067A7877E2738DBC36D831F1BAEF833938D2397E4DB76DD86
1498384;1467839439;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of juliatourianski_ from 3 to 5 << good friend, bath house manager, and one of the coolest people met at porcfest
1498385;1467839569;danielpbarron;$v 64AFF0FB954348F8DEED5E811DDF80C9D810AC357F7B9FA855FCD8A89EDDB75B
1498386;1467839569;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of rassah from 1 to -1 << met at pocfest, says he lost his key, sorry for your loss
1498387;1467839852;danielpbarron;$v E9C52A359EE9E4E6F48713FE4A0298A5A150F2CCCDF28DCDF3C10C46B07FAE65
1498388;1467839852;deedbot;danielpbarron updated rating of birdman from 5 to 6 << good friend for many years, euloran, poker enthusiast
1498389;1467840652;mircea_popescu;o how is juliatourianski_
1498390;1467840957;danielpbarron;doing very well, got a kid now with some blockstream guy who I also met at porcfest this year
1498391;1467841324;mircea_popescu;o hey.
1498392;1467841444;Joshua-I;Half wishing there was a trilema podcast for workouts
1498393;1467841493;shinohai;You don't have slave girls that read trilema to you during workouts?
1498394;1467841543;Joshua-I;I'm against slavery
1498395;1467841582;Joshua-I;But I could notionally hire a task rabbit to do it for me
1498396;1467841775;Joshua-I;For now I will settle with my usual youtubing
1498397;1467842203;mircea_popescu;you could put it through a screen reader
1498398;1467842220;mircea_popescu;the romanian section is guaranteed to entertain.
1498399;1467842270;Joshua-I;That's my backup plan
1498400;1467842309;mircea_popescu;anyway, the problem is - trilema is kinda too reference ladden, moar like balanced tree. podcast stuff works best if linear.
1498401;1467842397;jurov;using.trilema.for.workouts. my brain timed out at this.
1498402;1467842404;Joshua-I;True enough but even without references it would be good for mental indexing
1498403;1467842414;mircea_popescu;why, it's just about heavy enough...
1498404;1467845444;Joshua-I;Is there a directory of current projects / enterprises floating around somewhere?
1498405;1467845518;trinque;$s tbot
1498406;1467845519;a111;20 results for "tbot", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tbot
1498407;1467845522;trinque;Joshua-I: ^
1498408;1467845648;trinque;mircea_popescu: that transaction from earlier finally went through
1498409;1467845661;*;trinque looks in his intertubes for clogs
1498410;1467845717;trinque;http://deedbot.org/bundle-419596.txt <<
1498411;1467845983;Joshua-I;Uh huh
1498412;1467846108;Joshua-I;Fucking christ
1498413;1467846121;Joshua-I;One of those links must have been an exploit or something
1498414;1467846907;mod6;<+trinque> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2db8bf37-64c1-4198-891c-2d9684c41a18/ <+trinque> sseems like a bug << yeah, i was watching this all day; was eventually included in 419`596
1498415;1467846929;mod6;so, not sure why exactly the delay. but, seems all good.
1498416;1467846955;mod6;<+jurov> using.trilema.for.workouts. my brain timed out at this. << haha
1498417;1467846991;mod6;<+trinque> I am wedged at 419554 too << did your trb continue on then too?
1498418;1467847067;shinohai;My trb node drops connections one by one every few hours and needs restart to connect. I'm way behind.
1498419;1467847085;mod6;<+trinque> mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki << perhaps. i was hoping that with wiki (which, I admin, is not ideal) people could help out a bit more easily - as opposed to a blog or wp thing.
1498420;1467847116;mod6;this is what i've got:
1498421;1467847117;mod6;"blocks" : 419610,
1498422;1467847134;mod6;seems up to speed.
1498423;1467847141;trinque;mod6: yeah I know have 419608
1498424;1467847144;trinque;*now
1498425;1467847168;mod6;ok trinque, good to hear.
1498426;1467847179;shinohai;;;blocks
1498427;1467847180;gribble;419610
1498428;1467847184;shinohai;heh
1498429;1467847217;trinque;Joshua-I: what exploit?
1498430;1467847405;mod6;<+Joshua-I> Is there a directory of current projects / enterprises floating around somewhere? << http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/
1498431;1467848188;Joshua-I;Was trolling through the trimela outbound links and headfucking.net basically redirected to some bad js / exploit that runs your cpu hard
1498432;1467848222;shinohai;LOL
1498433;1467848283;trinque;>clicked on headfucking.net, expected gentle.
1498434;1467848544;Joshua-I;Works fine using lynx
1498435;1467848762;Joshua-I;Looks like it's on the serve side looking at the source
1498436;1467849005;Joshua-I;That was sort of mildly interesting
1498437;1467849319;ben_vulpes;huh
1498438;1467849323;ben_vulpes;thanks pankkake
1498439;1467849875;Joshua-I;I must have read at least 12ish trilemas today but mainly only gleaned that me and mp share similar views about the ending to True Romance
1498440;1467851403;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: I've wanted to go to porcfest, cause it's in new england, but I dunno how it'd vibe with me. I like burns, so I'd figure I'd like it. Dunno tho.
1498441;1467851544;shinohai;I was going to go to the Xday fest, but didn't feel like driving to Ohio
1498442;1467851664;thestringpuller;lol church of the subgenius...
1498443;1467851681;shinohai;Praise be to "Bob"
1498444;1467851687;thestringpuller;3rd time i've heard that come up in topic in my life this week
1498445;1467852163;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498404 << it's not very self-serve tho
1498446;1467852163;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 22:50 Joshua-I: Is there a directory of current projects / enterprises floating around somewhere?
1498447;1467852273;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498408 >> yup, i see it. not so bad after all, fiat deed system takes week+
1498448;1467852273;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 22:54 trinque: mircea_popescu: that transaction from earlier finally went through
1498449;1467852411;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498418 << fwiw i don';t see this behaviour ; however i have perhaps the most egregious example of "permanently behind" node : "blocks" : 414720
1498450;1467852411;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 23:17 shinohai: My trb node drops connections one by one every few hours and needs restart to connect. I'm way behind.
1498451;1467852418;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, you should absolutely go, especially since you know me :D
1498452;1467852435;mircea_popescu;i thought the porcfest already was. is it coming up instead ?
1498453;1467852446;danielpbarron;it was, but it's every year
1498454;1467852471;mircea_popescu;ah yea
1498455;1467852476;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498419 << this is a point
1498456;1467852476;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 23:18 mod6: <+trinque> mod6: hey maybe the mircea_popescutronic wordpress is a better way to post TRB tutorials/updates than wiki << perhaps. i was hoping that with wiki (which, I admin, is not ideal) people could help out a bit more easily - as opposed to a blog or wp thing.
1498457;1467852534;mircea_popescu;of course, you still have to give them access, which reduces to the same thing. in the end, all these are php, wiki ~= blog ~= forum etc. what are they gonna do different, you know ?
1498458;1467852590;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498439 << it's a start!
1498459;1467852590;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 00:04 Joshua-I: I must have read at least 12ish trilemas today but mainly only gleaned that me and mp share similar views about the ending to True Romance
1498460;1467853907;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i fished out vintage "classic" and "default" themes : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/classic-themestar.gz
1498461;1467853922;mircea_popescu;if anyone wanted.
1498462;1467854651;asciilifeform;neato, ty mircea_popescu
1498463;1467854742;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498449 << if you can be bothered to dig in log, see: was it stuck for eons there, or simply behind-by-n ?
1498464;1467854742;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 00:46 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498418 << fwiw i don';t see this behaviour ; however i have perhaps the most egregious example of "permanently behind" node : "blocks" : 414720
1498465;1467854789;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu that's a misnamed tar.gz
1498466;1467855394;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform behind by n, ish
1498467;1467855408;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wordpress is windowsy : auto-renaems things so they have a single dot in them
1498468;1467855415;mircea_popescu;because THERES A LIMIT OF DOTS!
1498469;1467860939;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> of course, you still have to give them access, which reduces to the same thing. in the end, all these are php, wiki ~= blog ~= forum etc. what are they gonna do different, you know ? << yeah, true.
1498470;1467860992;mircea_popescu;anyway, if it works dun fix it.
1498471;1467861556;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498467 << ick
1498472;1467861556;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 01:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wordpress is windowsy : auto-renaems things so they have a single dot in them
1498473;1467861571;asciilifeform;remind me why we're keeping this thing alive..?
1498474;1467864498;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html << is missing dulap, the single most robust trb node i know of
1498475;1467864499;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1498476;1467864730;trinque;asciilifeform: what's your uptime?
1498477;1467864913;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498476 << dulap's?
1498478;1467864913;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 04:12 trinque: asciilifeform: what's your uptime?
1498479;1467864944;mod6;asciilifeform: what's the ip?
1498480;1467864950;asciilifeform;a few min's downtime since december
1498481;1467864967;asciilifeform;it is the current ip of nosuchlabs.com
1498482;1467864973;mod6;ok thanks.
1498483;1467864989;trinque;nice. deedbot's been up around 104 days.
1498484;1467865012;trinque;and however long before that reboot
1498485;1467865031;asciilifeform;dulap had 1 unscheduled reset, still unexplained, and 1 scheduled, in end of may
1498486;1467866805;mod6;ok updated.
1498487;1467867242;asciilifeform;neato.
1498488;1467878042;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/wSW29
1498489;1467882424;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1498490;1467882432;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 646.15, vol: 7761.42734891 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 640.0, vol: 5568.62817 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 644.32, vol: 40969.70975322 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 551.0, vol: 7.59 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 646.23169, vol: 40976.80990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 645.001, vol: 1572.02214638 | Volume-weighted last average: 645.030787264
1498491;1467889873;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498473 << same EXACT reason we're keeping bitcoin alive. the imbecile fucktards that lived before us failed so fucking hard all they left us was this rotten gojineata. patching the holes in it so we have somewhere to get out of the rain while we build proper house.
1498492;1467889873;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 03:19 asciilifeform: remind me why we're keeping this thing alive..?
1498493;1467889903;mircea_popescu;if everyone's mother and father were better people, we'd have better options. as it is, we got what we got.
1498494;1467889924;*;shinohai applauds
1498495;1467890187;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, "fute-o nahoi la gadcaia în gojineață și nu govițăi pe aici". from https://forum.md/ru/913246
1498496;1467890192;mircea_popescu;rusophones might appreciate lol.
1498497;1467892022;mircea_popescu;shinohai speaking of that idiocy, certainly a prime candidate for a fix. nfi who thought that's cool.
1498498;1467892167;thestringpuller;It's like
1498499;1467892167;thestringpuller;life is a party that's never gonna end, and, and you're not hosting that
1498500;1467892167;thestringpuller;party, you're there, so you can, you know take a-take a dump on the coats, and
1498501;1467892167;thestringpuller;you know, you can leave your beer bottle in the toilet if you want, it doesn't
1498502;1467892172;thestringpuller;matter, it's not your house! OK, we're just here to have a good time.
1498503;1467892175;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498483 mine are up 38 days, up 127 days respectively.
1498504;1467892175;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 04:16 trinque: nice. deedbot's been up around 104 days.
1498505;1467892183;thestringpuller;Wow how did that quote get chopped up :(
1498506;1467892398;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498497   <<< werd. Still waiting on my box to go live so I can get to experimenting.
1498507;1467892398;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 11:47 mircea_popescu: shinohai speaking of that idiocy, certainly a prime candidate for a fix. nfi who thought that's cool.
1498508;1467893011;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, top authors by sales in ru, 2012 : 1. Daria Donțova – 2877,9 mii de exemplare  2. Iulia Șilova – 2078,1 mii de exemplare  3. Tatiana Ustinova – 1447,6 mii de exemplare  4. Arthur Conan Doyle – 1256,7 mii de exemplare  5. Tatiana Poleakova – 1022,1 mii de exemplare.
1498509;1467893038;mircea_popescu;4 women and a long dead old guy. all pulp.
1498510;1467897697;mats;http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2016/07/06/silent-circle-blackphone-losses-layoffs-geekphone-lawsuit
1498511;1467897741;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498509 << what did mircea_popescu expect to see in a bestseller list? euclid?
1498512;1467897741;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 12:03 mircea_popescu: 4 women and a long dead old guy. all pulp.
1498513;1467897748;asciilifeform;the american list is very similar except that pigs will fly in orbit before an out-of-copyright conan doyle etc is permitted to appear there.
1498514;1467897755;asciilifeform;(not that these folks, with attention span of a gold fish, and to whom ~1900~ vintage english is foreign language, even like conan doyle)
1498515;1467897784;*;shinohai loves Conan Doyle, has a whole sheld of them.
1498516;1467897789;shinohai;*shelf
1498517;1467897792;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't like conan doyle either.
1498518;1467897798;asciilifeform;well i do.
1498519;1467897799;asciilifeform;so there.
1498520;1467897812;asciilifeform;and yes it is pulp. good, ~old~ pulp.
1498521;1467897812;mircea_popescu;lol ok!
1498522;1467897825;asciilifeform;'Sorry Privacy Lovers, The Blackphone Is Flirting With Failure' << l0l1!!!
1498523;1467897839;mircea_popescu;o wait, ethereum is a shitcoin therefore bitcoin something something ?
1498524;1467897859;asciilifeform;'we dun need no water let the motherfucker burn!' (tm) (r)
1498525;1467897885;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, my point was more along the lines of - books being dead. grant as much, than when the majority of practitioners in a field are female, that field is therefore dead.
1498526;1467897930;mats;i knew asciilifeform would enjoy that
1498527;1467897935;asciilifeform;when's the last time there was an intellectually significant b00k on a bestseller list? in whatever country
1498528;1467897945;mircea_popescu;hey, tucker max made it in the us
1498529;1467897950;asciilifeform;mats: i'd enjoy moar if i could get the link to load on me box
1498530;1467897958;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/705sF << ok, finally.
1498531;1467898001;asciilifeform;holy shit, they hired their own slockit ?!
1498532;1467898002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that last time is early 1900s if memory serves. huxley made it
1498533;1467898013;asciilifeform;the huxley who died in '30s ?
1498534;1467898021;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1498535;1467898024;asciilifeform;l0l
1498536;1467898041;mircea_popescu;don't dis, doyle also died in 1930
1498537;1467898051;asciilifeform;aha.
1498538;1467898099;asciilifeform;'All of the gory details come from court documents related to a fight with former partner Geeksphone, which has filed a legal complaint in New York state court over a disputed $5 million payment. Geeksphone, the Spanish company that helped build the original Blackphone, says it’s owed the money from the $30 million sale of shares in the pair’s Blackphone SA joint venture...'
1498539;1467898171;asciilifeform;'Silent Circle already lost some of its key personnel in recent months. Cryptography luminary and co-founder Jon Callas departed for Apple in May and in June, CEO and President Bill Conner resigned, with Neiderman stepping in as interim chief. Co-founder Phil Zimmerman, best-known as the creator of encrypted messaging protocol PGP, remains on-board, living in the firm’s adopted home town of Geneva.'
1498540;1467898185;asciilifeform;lel, all but the main rat, have left the sinking shitship
1498541;1467898489;asciilifeform;and gotta love 'privacy! dead!'
1498542;1467898498;asciilifeform;how bitcoin died, when bitcoin ceo was nailgunned.
1498543;1467898501;asciilifeform;quite similar.
1498544;1467898519;asciilifeform;(or was it when bitcoin-jesus was nailed to cross??)
1498545;1467898606;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498532 << lel i misread as 1990s, and the thing was failing to pass checksum in my head so direly, i re-read six times before 'aha'
1498546;1467898606;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 13:26 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that last time is early 1900s if memory serves. huxley made it
1498547;1467898661;mircea_popescu;lol
1498548;1467898810;asciilifeform;re earlier, i never quite grasped why every 'classy' diddled crypto peddler has to move to geneva. just because nsa-operated crypto AG corp. is there ?
1498549;1467898839;asciilifeform;is it 'dog whistle'? are these folks not even ~trying~ to fool anyone ?
1498550;1467898867;asciilifeform;didn't they even move hearn to geneva ?
1498551;1467898882;mircea_popescu;if memory serves.
1498552;1467898888;asciilifeform;so what gives.
1498553;1467898901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prolly they have some oversized office leftover from the glory days of the fulda gap
1498554;1467898918;mircea_popescu;gotta economize.
1498555;1467898926;asciilifeform;iirc classical nsa has its entire euro research arm there.
1498556;1467898944;mircea_popescu;(you'd think this ridiculous, until you review the documents and notice over half us deployments of any kind are determined by what money is available)
1498557;1467898952;asciilifeform;but why anyone trying to convincingly push crypto-whatevers would even SET FOOT in geneva, boggles my mind
1498558;1467898968;asciilifeform;what happened to... ~plausible~ sc4mz0r1ng
1498559;1467898974;mircea_popescu;marketing.
1498560;1467898984;asciilifeform;it would be quite like...
1498561;1467898994;asciilifeform;... a genuine pharma co. basing itself in nigeria, say.
1498562;1467899050;mircea_popescu;i could see this.
1498563;1467899296;asciilifeform;the 'slockitization' pattern, where american derps are incapable of building ANYTHING on their own, and hire 'ethiopes' to do the heavy lifting, then sprinkle whatever rubbish on top, is interestingly apparent
1498564;1467899304;asciilifeform;and quite like how mircea_popescu described it, long ago
1498565;1467899351;mircea_popescu;ethiopes would be one thing. they keep hiring sarmatians.
1498566;1467899374;asciilifeform;they can hire martians, same result
1498567;1467899374;mircea_popescu;a sort of reverse-manhattan-purchase, where the empire ~imagines~ it is buying something ; whereas the tribes accept the tribute, AND rape the women.
1498568;1467899384;asciilifeform;ah that. yes.
1498569;1467899401;mircea_popescu;been ongoing in the middle east for a while, now they're gonna give money to the iranians because no longer happy with the dudes they fed prior.
1498570;1467899417;mircea_popescu;such choice on this cow, which house on the street to be milked at tonight.
1498571;1467899579;asciilifeform;the 'in-house' portions are usually written by in-house sarmatians, also
1498572;1467899598;asciilifeform;consider the gaggle of asian grad students responsible for whatever portions of ethereum actually were written.
1498573;1467899720;mircea_popescu;aha.
1498574;1467899747;mircea_popescu;they were very hurt, by the way, to find out they're hated, and with a burning hatred, for participating, by the apparent hot core of coolness of the very people they thought they were emulating.
1498575;1467899787;mircea_popescu;the situation is EXACTLY like in http://trilema.com/2011/nuovo-cinema-paradiso/
1498576;1467899790;mircea_popescu;you ever saw that film ?
1498577;1467899839;mircea_popescu;o damn, wrong one. the old one wtf was it
1498578;1467899893;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/luomo-delle-stele/ << there we go. that one, tornatore's film.
1498579;1467900556;asciilifeform;not sure i get it ?
1498580;1467900862;mircea_popescu;rome (ie, TMSR) is a famous center of culture and shining lights. because it is, but because of me not because of hussein bahamas.
1498581;1467900879;mircea_popescu;the peasants (ie, here, azns) aim to go to you know, THAT place.
1498582;1467900904;mircea_popescu;unscrupulous swindler (ie, usg) promises the latter that he's representative of the former, meanwhile he doesn't even have film in the "camera".
1498583;1467900967;mircea_popescu;this swindle is supposed to work in the sense that corriere della sera  (ie, trilema) doesn't make it to castellamare in shitlandia.
1498584;1467900995;mircea_popescu;but when it does, the peasants (ie, same azns) are quite distraught to discover that what they did with the swindler not only DIDN'T get them any closer to their intended destination,
1498585;1467901003;mircea_popescu;but in point of fact constitutes an absolute bar to ever getting there.
1498586;1467901195;thestringpuller;;;ud luchini
1498587;1467901196;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1498588;1467901966;asciilifeform;$up covertress
1498589;1467901967;deedbot;covertress voiced for 30 minutes.
1498590;1467901977;asciilifeform;covertress: who might you be ?
1498591;1467901996;asciilifeform;a coverer of tresses ?
1498592;1467902211;covertress;thx for the invite. just lurking. :)
1498593;1467902245;covertress;covertress means female spy... but, I'm no spy. am head of Krypton, KR
1498594;1467902254;covertress;doing to ETH what you all are doing to BTC
1498595;1467902255;covertress;:)
1498596;1467902289;danielpbarron;o.O
1498597;1467902306;covertress;O.o
1498598;1467902322;asciilifeform;what were we 'doing to btc' again?
1498599;1467902331;covertress;for irc purists, we're on #kryptoncoin also on slack: http://slack.krypton.rocks
1498600;1467902344;covertress;you're making it better, of course
1498601;1467902362;danielpbarron;aren't you afraid that by the time you snip out all the shit from eth there won't be just an empty file?
1498602;1467902369;covertress;lol
1498603;1467902371;shinohai;kek
1498604;1467902379;covertress;there is that possiblity
1498605;1467902388;covertress;GO needs scrapping
1498606;1467902416;covertress;I'm at ground zero here, looking for volunteer devs
1498607;1467902422;danielpbarron;well get in the WoT then
1498608;1467902436;covertress;idk what that is
1498609;1467902440;danielpbarron;$help
1498610;1467902440;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1498611;1467902467;mircea_popescu;wait. what ?
1498612;1467902501;mircea_popescu;covertress how familiar are you with the technical matters involved ?
1498613;1467902523;covertress;not much, I've been awol from IT for 15 years... just getting back in
1498614;1467902531;danielpbarron;l0l
1498615;1467902533;covertress;:)
1498616;1467902542;covertress;but, ppl are really nice, holding my hand
1498617;1467902565;*;danielpbarron suspects this is a gag
1498618;1467902565;covertress;think they like to watch me fall on my face a lot. lol
1498619;1467902579;covertress;nah, follow me on LI. I'm serious.
1498620;1467902601;mats;so you're what, PR?
1498621;1467902607;covertress;mostly
1498622;1467902614;covertress;noob founder
1498623;1467902616;covertress;:)
1498624;1467902641;mircea_popescu;covertress noob founder in the sense you've not founded anything else before ?
1498625;1467902648;covertress;I have industry connects, mad networking skills and no money. lol
1498626;1467902654;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: re porcfest. Do you attend any other similar events? Maybe not like porcfest? But like burning man type stuff?
1498627;1467902656;shinohai;covertress: were you amongst those LI people here? http://qntra.net/2016/05/linkedin-dump-leaked/
1498628;1467902656;covertress;correct. nothing before.
1498629;1467902685;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498625 << does this sentence stand in your eyes ? "i've great tits, wonderful body, nice face and no suitors."
1498630;1467902685;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 14:44 covertress: I have industry connects, mad networking skills and no money. lol
1498631;1467902704;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: I really love the survival aspect of events like that, and just existing. Porcfest sounds like it takes it a step further with sessions and panels or what not...
1498632;1467902713;covertress;I just joined LI about 3 weeks ago.
1498633;1467902723;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yeah, it'll take it the first step once they actually hunt something.
1498634;1467902730;mircea_popescu;covertress sorry, what's li ?
1498635;1467902733;shinohai;Now with moar sekoority!
1498636;1467902735;covertress;LinkedIn
1498637;1467902738;*;thestringpuller was really intrigued by danielpbarron 's blog entry on the matter
1498638;1467902754;mircea_popescu;ok, so you've been out of it 15 years doing what, raising a coupla kids ? what were you doing before that ?
1498639;1467902759;covertress;https://www.linkedin.com/in/covertress-061817114
1498640;1467902762;covertress;this is me^
1498641;1467902776;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, nope just the one, and the panels sucked. I only 'attended' the few that were just cover for me to get assassination intel/kills
1498642;1467902800;covertress;I took time off from IT to explore other lives... was deckhand on historic schooner, 1st mate on PT boat, therapist, rest mgr. etc
1498643;1467902809;thestringpuller;covertress: LOL you've met nick black!!!111
1498644;1467902811;covertress;no kids :P
1498645;1467902819;covertress;who's nick black?
1498646;1467902829;covertress;Gavin?
1498647;1467902831;covertress;lol
1498648;1467902839;thestringpuller;nah. he's in your network indirectly.
1498649;1467902851;covertress;link me
1498650;1467902852;thestringpuller;but he's an old mentor of mine.
1498651;1467902877;thestringpuller;https://www.linkedin.com/in/nickblackatl
1498652;1467902879;covertress;Most of bitcoin and blockchain c-level exec are in my network ;)
1498653;1467902885;mircea_popescu;covertress well, your attitude's lovely and all, but unfortunately a) you've bit on something you can't actually swallow and b) i see no direct way to explain this to you in such a way it'd make sense, owing to your complete lack of even vaguely related experience. what'd i build on ?
1498654;1467902911;mircea_popescu;you know what a hypercube is ?
1498655;1467902918;covertress;thx! just sent him connect request :)
1498656;1467902958;covertress;mircea_popescu: I get that a lot. but, no one knows how determined I am. :)
1498657;1467902966;mats;lol
1498658;1467902974;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1498659;1467902976;shinohai;You get hypercubes a lot?
1498660;1467902983;mircea_popescu;lol.
1498661;1467902993;mats;fun fact, ethereum is a scam
1498662;1467903000;mats;good luck with that
1498663;1467903016;mircea_popescu;anyway, the situation here is that you're a restaurant manager doing ok, and one day a guy walks in and convinces you to go into business to open your own chain of restaurants built inside tessaract buildings.
1498664;1467903026;covertress;lol
1498665;1467903036;mats;btc history repeats on small intervals, 'ripple' and 'stellar' were ethereum before ethereum, etc...
1498666;1467903040;mircea_popescu;fact is... you're now fucked. it's not trivial to explain to restaurant manager why abstract 4 dimensional figures can not be built down the street.
1498667;1467903075;covertress;if you all think ETH is a scam, then I think I found the right room :)
1498668;1467903081;thestringpuller;mats: unfortunately, it seems the trend has revealed more people like to spend time hyping things up rather than actually building something useful for customers.
1498669;1467903101;shinohai;thestringpuller: eg, "cryptocurrency"
1498670;1467903129;thestringpuller;"blockchain" "internet of things" "easy money" "get rich quick" "work from home 2 hours a day"
1498671;1467903151;shinohai;Banks HATE him!
1498672;1467903182;trinque;https://youtu.be/KpvAR5KqkBQ << parable on determination
1498673;1467903187;covertress;I met so many companies at Concensus who are convinced they need blockchain because it's the latest thing (internet 2.0 in their minds) but, they have no idea how to implement
1498674;1467903233;mats;thats a clue you're in a room full of dunces
1498675;1467903236;mircea_popescu;so how long have you been doing the "being excited online" + "going to conventions" bit ?
1498676;1467903251;covertress;lol
1498677;1467903260;mircea_popescu;mats i recall the last time i was in a roomfull of engineers who decided they needed concrete but didn't know how to pour it. we were about seven, playing on riverside.
1498678;1467903298;mats;i'm sure these were just mbas
1498679;1467903311;mats;but i concede thats hopeful
1498680;1467903315;covertress;then explain the obscene amounts of money being thrown at blockchain tech
1498681;1467903316;mircea_popescu;well... also don't underestimate their determination.
1498682;1467903327;covertress;don't you want some?
1498683;1467903336;mats;want what?
1498684;1467903337;shinohai;my sides
1498685;1467903347;mircea_popescu;covertress a) it's not actual money and b) a dying empire bleeds money. they spent some on the taliban, too.
1498686;1467903380;mircea_popescu;if you find the time to read the log, the whole turkey dollars thing's discussed periodically. even recently re the linkedin "billion" sale.
1498687;1467903421;covertress;ok, now we're just getting into a semantic debate.
1498688;1467903451;covertress;I'll be back... going to play with my little project now. nice chatting with you all. :)
1498689;1467903502;mircea_popescu;for that matter, see http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ ; fact is you're playing today in a novel written years ago, among others by yours truly. see the part that starts with "yet another one of them".
1498690;1467903834;mircea_popescu;$up webbyz
1498691;1467903835;deedbot;webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.
1498692;1467903838;webbyz;O.o
1498693;1467905762;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: If consumers revolt against an obfuscated enemy, what ends up happening to the consumer overall?
1498694;1467905777;thestringpuller;I've found that Bitcoin is also anti-consumerist...
1498695;1467905798;mircea_popescu;i dunno. if a bunch of blondies decide to inspect the abandoned house in the middle of the night, what usually happens to them ?
1498696;1467905801;shinohai;Death to capitalism!
1498697;1467905801;mircea_popescu;other than the screaming, i mean.
1498698;1467905816;thestringpuller;i mean yes. but the "future of the consumer" seems nonexistent.
1498699;1467905820;mircea_popescu;quite.
1498700;1467905825;thestringpuller;that is the consumer goes extinct.
1498701;1467905850;shinohai;You say that like it's a bad thing.
1498702;1467905931;thestringpuller;Not at all. It just seems there is no room at all for consumerism, if you use Bitcoin correctly.
1498703;1467906002;thestringpuller;As chappelle once said, "You can't just choke all your problems away. It takes hard work."
1498704;1467906026;*;trinque thanks covertress for today's lesson on money printing and malinvestment
1498705;1467906072;shinohai;For only $19.95 trinque I can sell you money tree!
1498706;1467906141;thestringpuller;Consumers rely on blind trust based on recent observations. That is they want to deposit money in black box X, to retrieve Y. If black box fails their expectations, its because they didn't perform their due diligence in researching the black box.
1498707;1467906339;trinque;http://krypton.rocks/ << oh christ, it's an alt-eth
1498708;1467906683;mircea_popescu;superman logo i hope ?
1498709;1467906768;thestringpuller;oh man what an insult to superman
1498710;1467906812;thestringpuller;you know cause if you know anything about krypton, jal-el superman's dad, told the great kryptonian cousuel "the world is going to end and we can prevent it" and they were all like "Um no. You're insane".
1498711;1467906830;thestringpuller;Well he sends kal-el (superman) to earth, cause krypton goes boom cause people didn't listen.
1498712;1467907372;phf;death to videodrome! long live the new flesh!
1498713;1467907421;mircea_popescu;well, all i know on the topic is that "krypton" is a superman thing
1498714;1467907463;mircea_popescu;in more news in the same vein, http://www.confessionpost.com/12103/my-wife-is-finally-turning-tricks
1498715;1467907522;shinohai;^ he just wanted to be cucked.
1498716;1467908056;deedbot;[Trilema] тошно - http://trilema.com/2016/%d1%82%d0%be%d1%88%d0%bd%d0%be/
1498717;1467908445;*;phf test
1498718;1467908487;mats;covertress: you should direct your efforts to something more productive than trying to jam your hands in a money printer not meant for you
1498719;1467908516;mircea_popescu;wait... isn't that the female imperative ?
1498720;1467908922;mircea_popescu;"First launched on 31 August 2012 at Bali Strait, 63M Carbon Fibre Composite Trimaran Fast Missile Boat (Indonesian: Kapal Cepat Rudal [KCR]) named KRI Klewang (625) - a traditional Indonesian single edge sword, was the first stealth trimaran of the Indonesian Navy built by North Sea Boats at Banyuwangi, East Java, Indonesia. This ship combined a number of existing advance technologies into a single, unique platform; a wave-p
1498721;1467908922;mircea_popescu;iercer trimaran hull from, constructed exclusively of infused vinylester carbon fibre cored sandwich materials for all structural elements, with external "stealth" geometry and features intended to reduce detection. The KRI Klewang (625) caught fire because of an electrical short-circuit in the engine room during a maintenance period on September 28, 2012 and was a total loss."
1498722;1467908949;mircea_popescu;basically, ustards came up with this genius idea of "build warship on form of amateur raft", everyone's copying it now.
1498723;1467908955;mircea_popescu;thanks god the technologies were so advanced.
1498724;1467908977;mircea_popescu;maybe next they build a cherry bomb shaped aircraft carrier. complete with the fuse.
1498725;1467909314;mircea_popescu;anyway. this entire idiocy started with the triton in the late 90s. british engineering.
1498726;1467909670;ben_vulpes;> car bon fibre cored sandwich materials for all structural elements
1498727;1467909673;ben_vulpes;> electrical fire
1498728;1467909700;ben_vulpes;i'm going to be someone tried to ground to the frame.
1498729;1467909740;ben_vulpes;or or or lazily clipped something to the frame figuring "hey, it's plastic-y, should be insulative."
1498730;1467909771;ben_vulpes;anyways, shame about the brits. they once made wonders like the black arrow.
1498731;1467910094;mircea_popescu;the 60s are a long way away.
1498732;1467910137;mircea_popescu;but no, how'd ground to frame short it ? carbon fibre's a dielectric
1498733;1467910250;mircea_popescu;http://www.nature.com/articles/srep14927 << nb article on the topic, actually.
1498734;1467910353;ben_vulpes;well randomly distributed means that there's not quite as much surface area of c/c in the matrix
1498735;1467910378;ben_vulpes;whereas sheet cf is simply high resistance once you scratch through the epoxy and touch some carbon
1498736;1467910390;ben_vulpes;heats up, catches fire.
1498737;1467910410;mircea_popescu;but for this you'd need a closed circuit...
1498738;1467910424;mircea_popescu;hm
1498739;1467910440;mircea_popescu;you know, that'd be pretty lulzy if that's how it went down.
1498740;1467910516;ben_vulpes;sure. does imply a closed circuit. eg someone else doing the same thing elsewhere
1498741;1467910533;ben_vulpes;i forget the specific details of what caused the fire i saw.
1498742;1467910543;ben_vulpes;but the core element was "cf is a resistor it turns out!"
1498743;1467910555;mircea_popescu;the insanity of going to war in something mom croched for you however.... the mind boggles.
1498744;1467910566;ben_vulpes;to the mechanical engineer, an insulator is just a resistor with a high ohmic value.
1498745;1467910577;ben_vulpes;that is before he lights the cf panels aflame with current.
1498746;1467910585;mircea_popescu;lol
1498747;1467910619;ben_vulpes;not actually a fence i pissed on myself.
1498748;1467910738;ben_vulpes;anyways, subject of isotropically distributed CF, i don't think we've don "carbon fiber forging" or more accurately described "injection-molded CF": http://www.quantumcomposites.com/pdf/papers/2011-ASC-montreal-forged-suspens.pdf
1498749;1467910820;mircea_popescu;holy shit. til puskin was part african.
1498750;1467910848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, descended from 'arap' - fella given to peter I as slave, but whom he ennobled instead
1498751;1467910853;mircea_popescu;aha.
1498752;1467910864;asciilifeform;this is quite well known to ru schoolchildren
1498753;1467910870;mircea_popescu;is this the roman buttseks or just peter weird ?
1498754;1467910892;asciilifeform;afaik - the weird
1498755;1467910901;mircea_popescu;peter was pretty weird.
1498756;1467910916;mircea_popescu;lucky him he didn't live these days, what a fine hitler icon they could have cut out of his hide.
1498757;1467910929;asciilifeform;he'd make book covers from ~their~ hides.
1498758;1467910931;asciilifeform;all of them.
1498759;1467910951;mircea_popescu;nah. he wouldn't understand how carbon fiber catamaran "warships" work.
1498760;1467910989;asciilifeform;would prolly go from musket to graser beam in a year.
1498761;1467911027;mircea_popescu;nah, he'd be friends with bahamas. "oh look, clever guy ALSO built capital in middle of swamp"
1498762;1467911219;asciilifeform;peter1 had an actual ~reason~
1498763;1467911228;asciilifeform;unlike the british imbeciles
1498764;1467911238;mircea_popescu;i suspect so did the colonists. "make it shitty so nobody wants to be there"
1498765;1467911254;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to determine why they build d.c. in swamp
1498766;1467911259;mircea_popescu;early us history is deeply against everything the us ended up.
1498767;1467911268;asciilifeform;it was for same reason as building aerosubmarinebullzdozers for $trillion
1498768;1467911273;mircea_popescu;ie, the original idea was much more a la tmsr than a la usg.
1498769;1467911286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how you reason ?
1498770;1467911292;asciilifeform;washington owned a swamp.
1498771;1467911301;asciilifeform;and not much else.
1498772;1467911303;asciilifeform;sold it for $$$$$
1498773;1467911327;asciilifeform;(he married into his lands)
1498774;1467911374;mircea_popescu;i thought he was with teh fairfaxen
1498775;1467911407;asciilifeform;he was
1498776;1467911495;mircea_popescu;hm.
1498777;1467911671;mircea_popescu;anyway, stupid idea to allow the feds their own land.
1498778;1467911695;mircea_popescu;one pennsylvania mutiny each decade'd have kept the cancer in check.
1498779;1467911704;asciilifeform;incidentally, the embryo of modern usg was already quite discernible in shay's rebellion and whiskey rebellion
1498780;1467911715;asciilifeform;(washington's life !)
1498781;1467911801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the summa of the thing being that they (stupidly) decided to give the feds ten mile square ; the northerners wanted it in a big city, the slave interest down south. eventuyally hamilton managed to trade the south undertaking a share of the northern foreign debt in exchange for putting the capital down by virgina.
1498782;1467911808;mircea_popescu;dun seem washington has much into all of this, does it ?
1498783;1467911835;asciilifeform;iirc he had to do with the ten mile square being give in the first place.
1498784;1467911838;asciilifeform;and was reimbursed.
1498785;1467911847;mircea_popescu;hm.
1498786;1467911869;mircea_popescu;course as president he'd chose where it went.
1498787;1467912176;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/%d1%82%d0%be%d1%88%d0%bd%d0%be/#comment-117977
1498788;1467912361;mircea_popescu;aaanswert.
1498789;1467912423;asciilifeform;http://a1.a4w.ro/assets/vacantalamare/2013/05/20/image_galleries/63/vara-aduce-reprezentari-surprinzatoare-ale-imaginii-idealului-feminin-gusturile-nu-se-discuta.jpg << lol, stabilopod !
1498790;1467912441;mircea_popescu;lol. so it is!
1498791;1467912458;mircea_popescu;my #1 wonderment leaving the country, incidentally, was that ~nobody uses these.
1498792;1467912474;mircea_popescu;it was an utter shock, they're so cheap and effectual i fully expected EVERY shoreline EVERYWHERE is protected by them
1498793;1467912506;asciilifeform;answrd (contains very gnarly link, went to mod queue)
1498794;1467912647;asciilifeform;http://www.rbc.ru/politics/01/06/2016/574e178d9a794737a9662fe0?from=newsfeed << pilot program started june 1, in october - expands to residents of eastern ru; in feb 2017 - all citizens of ru.
1498795;1467912655;mircea_popescu;gotta be citizen egh
1498796;1467912672;asciilifeform;there was some other thing where if you signed up for the above, they'd make you citizen.
1498797;1467912688;mircea_popescu;i want to be a ru citizen just about as much as i want to be an us citizen.
1498798;1467912702;asciilifeform;i suspect that mircea_popescu is not the target audience.
1498799;1467912710;asciilifeform;(though i have nfi who is.)
1498800;1467912710;mircea_popescu;likely not.
1498801;1467912738;mircea_popescu;in general "get free land" sorta deal is you know, a jew-targetted thing. also how china started its rise.
1498802;1467912764;asciilifeform;strangely, the jews massively and collectively turned down uruguay and argentina during ww2
1498803;1467912766;mircea_popescu;also, a hectare ? wtf is that. we're talking by the dc, 10kmsq.
1498804;1467912785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can see why ; locals are ~goats.
1498805;1467912796;asciilifeform;why would that make a difference ?
1498806;1467912803;asciilifeform;esp when you're being gassed
1498807;1467912821;asciilifeform;nowhere is it written that you gotta interface with the locals
1498808;1467912823;mircea_popescu;plenty of people would rather die.
1498809;1467912825;asciilifeform;the german exiles didn't
1498810;1467912826;mircea_popescu;heh.
1498811;1467912842;mircea_popescu;it is written in teh torah, "you gotta interface with the locals."
1498812;1467912895;asciilifeform;dunno, it also has 'put them infidels to the sword'
1498813;1467912975;mircea_popescu;05.07.2016 Подано более двух тысяч заявок на получение «дальневосточного гектара» << lol.
1498814;1467913005;asciilifeform;what, mircea_popescu thought there would be a million takers ?
1498815;1467913009;mircea_popescu;ahahaha "grow open field strawberries. initial investment 1mn rubles"
1498816;1467913036;mircea_popescu;14k ? wtf do you buy for 14k in far east ?
1498817;1467913071;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform holy shit the jewish region's in there!
1498818;1467913077;mircea_popescu;i got it right, straight by amur etc.
1498819;1467913077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: perhaps it will add some wtf to the mix if i add that these are ~virgin~ lands, with no communications (not even, in most places, any mains current or plumbing)
1498820;1467913092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guessed as much.
1498821;1467913097;asciilifeform;the most you can expect is something like a road, somewhere nearby.
1498822;1467913108;shinohai;https://twitter.com/Bitstamp/status/751105138341900288   "Windows Defender is reporting False Positives due to our DDOS CDN mitigation settings. "
1498823;1467913108;mircea_popescu;so what, take 14k usd, go to eritrea, buy 700 women and 700 donkeys ?
1498824;1467913126;asciilifeform;nah, eritrea has proper comms
1498825;1467913132;mircea_popescu;magadan too
1498826;1467913135;asciilifeform;and not big enough, at any rate, to be too far from a place that does
1498827;1467913160;asciilifeform;afaik most of the parcels are not near magadan
1498828;1467913166;mircea_popescu;anyway, the deal'd only be interesting if it came with renounciation of ru sovereignity claims.
1498829;1467913180;asciilifeform;this is also a thing, unofficially, but you gotta be chinese to play.
1498830;1467913181;mircea_popescu;"buy enough land - get your own autonomous oblast" would be a decent deal.
1498831;1467913189;asciilifeform;they have at least 1 going.
1498832;1467913189;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so i hear.
1498833;1467913222;mircea_popescu;note the deeply pernicious nature of fiat pretenders. they'll yield, BUT ONLY TO ANOTHER ONE.
1498834;1467913237;mircea_popescu;how exactly do they expect to not be massacred like the jews, when they behave exactly like the massacred jews ?
1498835;1467913253;asciilifeform;'the art of not being governed' had a lengthy and imho quite pointed discussion of this.
1498836;1467913266;asciilifeform;all statists are in many important ways part of same octopus.
1498837;1467913283;mircea_popescu;aha
1498838;1467913287;asciilifeform;consider the usgtronic popular term 'failed state'
1498839;1467913293;asciilifeform;typically it refers to pockets of actual freedom.
1498840;1467913295;mircea_popescu;"we failed to state it"
1498841;1467913297;asciilifeform;aha.
1498842;1467913323;asciilifeform;'failed state' is about hillary not daring to land there and derp on a podium.
1498843;1467913330;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1498844;1467913330;asciilifeform;not about sanitation, or whatever else practical thing.
1498845;1467913368;mircea_popescu;much like "corruption". when derps destroy ro nuclear agency, it's fine. when derps organize booing of hilary's podium, OMAYGERD CORRUPT OFFICIALS
1498846;1467913423;asciilifeform;or, elementarily, afghani, then iraqi, then libyan, then syrian, terrorists are usg-sponsored 'rebels' so long as they are setting the desired kind of controlledchaos fires.
1498847;1467913432;asciilifeform;and after that - again 'terrorists'
1498848;1467913434;asciilifeform;etc.
1498849;1467913639;mircea_popescu;lmao til alecsandri (romanian poet) hated pushkin also!
1498850;1467913649;mircea_popescu;apparently there's a lot of bad blood there. i had nfi.
1498851;1467913687;mircea_popescu;"Fiind mai negru ca ţiganii ce-ai tot cerşit la noi cu anii, tu, cel primit cu dor de sus nici bogdaproste nu ne-ai spus. Cu dar de pâine şi de sare, cu vin din beciul nostru mare te-am ospătat. Iar tu în zori râzând, te-ai scîrnăvit în flori. Apoi prin codri de milenii ai tot umblat de dragul lelii. Ei, vezi atunci? Pun mâna-n foc: tu n-ai fost cal arab, ci porc!"
1498852;1467913819;mircea_popescu;~ darker than the gypsies (slaves, at the time), you spent years begging around here, you, well received yet failed to profer as much as thanks. we fed you bread and salt (i dunno, it's a romanian thing) and wine from our ample cave, but when the morn came you took a shit in the flowerbed, laughing. then through thousand year old forests walked to no apparent benefit (literally, for love of the ho), and so there you see : no
1498853;1467913819;mircea_popescu;purebreed, but pig you are.
1498854;1467913944;mircea_popescu;talented fellow, this, managed to get everyone pissed off.
1498855;1467913991;asciilifeform;he had some pretty good trollage
1498856;1467914009;mircea_popescu;anyway, the moldavians are apparently pissed because he said the boo boo about chisinau.
1498857;1467914033;asciilifeform;the 'pig' remark was, i suspect, an answer to his thing that was in the spirit of http://www.contravex.com/2015/11/08/it-takes-more-than-time-it-takes-generations
1498858;1467914034;mircea_popescu;not that a) i can even for a second imagine it wasn't entirely merited nor b) reached at any point the level of my disdain for argentinians.
1498859;1467914079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno, really. it's a pot calling kettle black situation, neither side of this debate is in much position to claim cultural ancientitude.
1498860;1467914190;mircea_popescu;moldavia is no transilvania much like the philippines are no japan.
1498861;1467914220;mircea_popescu;god damned thing was created centuries ago. by the fucking maramures people, the rough equivalent of being the darian colony, founded by the scots.
1498862;1467914274;mircea_popescu;darien*
1498863;1467914989;mircea_popescu;here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
1498864;1467914994;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/r4dbW
1498865;1467915017;mircea_popescu;spoken by greek military junta man to political prisoners.
1498866;1467915079;mircea_popescu;amusingly, ended ~exactly same way the argentinian right wing military experiment ended : with the loss of an island
1498867;1467915344;asciilifeform;from same page: '"First," he said, "because it is not fit that I should sit as a judge and nobody to be hanged; secondly, you must be hanged because you have a damned hanging look; thirdly, you must be hanged because I am hungry. There's a law for ye, ye dog. Take him away.'
1498868;1467915359;mircea_popescu;lol
1498869;1467915418;mircea_popescu;ironically - democratic greece is a fucking eyesore when compared to "tyrannyzed" greece.
1498870;1467915435;asciilifeform;what's the practical difference ?
1498871;1467915439;asciilifeform;orc shithole then as now.
1498872;1467915455;mircea_popescu;yeah, but at least the "common man" got beaten regularly.
1498873;1467915463;mircea_popescu;catering to the common man is the capital fucking crime.
1498874;1467915474;asciilifeform;but what was the palpable difference ?
1498875;1467915476;asciilifeform;cheaper bauxite ?
1498876;1467915480;mircea_popescu;purely aesthetic.
1498877;1467915483;mircea_popescu;i'm a man of taste.
1498878;1467915486;asciilifeform;lolk
1498879;1467915519;mircea_popescu;here's the thing : bronco riding is a time-dependent event. do it for too short intervals, the bronco gets the idea it's tough.
1498880;1467915526;mircea_popescu;once started, must be ridden to death. literally.
1498881;1467915539;mircea_popescu;whereas all these shitty attempts - not a decade in greece, not a decade in argentina etc. bullcrap.
1498882;1467915555;mircea_popescu;twenty years and 10% or more civillian casualties. THEN you'll see the difference
1498883;1467915564;asciilifeform;dunno, made for a germany of capons
1498884;1467915566;mircea_popescu;otherwise, it's just gonna be typical "democratic" drivel.
1498885;1467915577;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but that was teh intended effect neh ?
1498886;1467915593;asciilifeform;or, not so anxious to move to modern ru? where they did 1000+ years
1498887;1467915622;mircea_popescu;the bronco-country comparison breaks down
1498888;1467915626;mircea_popescu;who could have predictered.
1498889;1467915641;asciilifeform;perhaps i'm missing some detail.
1498890;1467915646;mircea_popescu;(o btw, greece resigned from eu around this time)
1498891;1467915649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform perhaps i am!
1498892;1467915661;asciilifeform;waiwut?!
1498893;1467915663;asciilifeform;just now?
1498894;1467915667;asciilifeform;grexit?!
1498895;1467915674;asciilifeform;brekekekekexit koaxit koaxit!1111111
1498896;1467915689;mircea_popescu;nana, then.
1498897;1467915692;mircea_popescu;during junta years.
1498898;1467915698;asciilifeform;hm.
1498899;1467915750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/fetlife-the-meat-market/#comment-117980 << looks like went in wrong thread ?
1498900;1467915752;mircea_popescu;it's quite in-fucking-credible, to compare newsprint of 1970 to 2016.
1498901;1467915780;mircea_popescu;heh i had the wrong page up.
1498902;1467916936;thestringpuller;"Quite funny that a random altcoin exchange like poloniex is far more profitable than a company that has raised more than 100 million USD." << in coinbase "we need more money plz" news.
1498903;1467917134;mircea_popescu;lol, they cautiously avoided noticing this while mpex was publicly traded, NOW it's a point of discussion ? color me flattered, what.
1498904;1467917174;asciilifeform;#1 rule of derpatronics - dun EVER mention mpex
1498905;1467917179;asciilifeform;in whatever context.
1498906;1467917194;asciilifeform;next you'll wonder why forbes et al dun cite qntra.
1498907;1467917225;asciilifeform;if you unmention it long and vigorously enough, it'll unhappen!111
1498908;1467917227;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat.
1498909;1467918471;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498902   <<< sauce?
1498910;1467918471;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 18:42 thestringpuller: "Quite funny that a random altcoin exchange like poloniex is far more profitable than a company that has raised more than 100 million USD." << in coinbase "we need more money plz" news.
1498911;1467918817;mircea_popescu;unhappenstance!
1498912;1467919384;mircea_popescu;and now in the lulz of all time, argentine government pays youtube to advertise to argentinians about how 200 years ago they gained their independence "y lo es muy bueno"
1498913;1467919391;mircea_popescu;luati o muie bai, independentii pulii.
1498914;1467919433;shinohai;http://archive.is/inUi1   <<< this must be Qntra'd! The lulz
1498915;1467919459;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1498916;1467919487;mircea_popescu;stupidest shit ever
1498917;1467919593;shinohai;"Freud suggested that the project's success or failure would be determined by the impact on those receiving welfare payments."   which will be zero, I'm certain.
1498918;1467919642;mircea_popescu;in the general sense, bitcoin taking over everything mainstream is unavoidable ; in the same general sense, various fiat pretenders etc doing most of the work involved for entirely no benefit is also how things work.
1498919;1467919644;mircea_popescu;so... cheers.
1498920;1467919686;shinohai;I kinda thought Bitcoin is supposed to *destroy* the welfare state, not perpetuate it.
1498921;1467919822;trinque;poison kills well before the ratio of poison to person is 1
1498922;1467919835;trinque;look at 'em imitate; it's cute!
1498923;1467920443;phf;test
1498924;1467920926;mircea_popescu;wtf is with phf lol
1498925;1467920948;mircea_popescu;shinohai well, while the fiats last, they get to play.
1498926;1467920964;phf;i'm tired of asciilifeform's abuse, i'm getting log recovery squared away
1498927;1467920974;phf;squared out?
1498928;1467920978;phf;something like that
1498929;1467921156;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1498930;1467924319;ben_vulpes;phf: you square
1498931;1467925077;mats;;;ticker --market all
1498932;1467925084;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 618.0, vol: 12077.46820124 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 604.559, vol: 11371.05227 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.7, vol: 68145.21388952 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.0, vol: 6.69 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 619.367936, vol: 48181.48080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 617.87, vol: 2779.5680272 | Volume-weighted last average: 617.721224152
1498933;1467925126;mats;;;ticker
1498934;1467925128;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 619.09, Best ask: 619.94, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 619.0, 24 hour volume: 68146.85134638, 24 hour low: 610.1, 24 hour high: 682.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1498935;1467929527;pete_dushenski;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
1498936;1467929603;pete_dushenski;blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place.
1498937;1467929694;pete_dushenski;"In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
1498938;1467929791;pete_dushenski; "The good news, the researchers say, is that there is nothing inevitable about the parental happiness gap. And there may be some relatively achievable solutions for improving the happiness of American parents – like subsidizing childcare, or expanding access to paid vacation and sick leave." << moar socialism is the problem, researchers say. the solution ? even moarrrr!
1498939;1467929872;pete_dushenski;right points at left saying "those solutions worked in the past, but times are different and they'd never work THIS TIME". left points at right saying "your solutions have never worked and will never work because the only thing that's changed is the colour of your smelly socks"
1498940;1467930023;pete_dushenski;http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was-your-smartphone-made-nobody-really-knows-1467832310 << in similar 'it's not whether we're effective but what's on the inside that counts' nyooz
1498941;1467930031;pete_dushenski;$s fairphone
1498942;1467930031;a111;1 results for "fairphone", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fairphone
1498943;1467930069;pete_dushenski;huh. coulda sworn it was in here before. not the first i've heard of it but ah well.
1498944;1467930166;pete_dushenski;looks like the last pre-halving broomstick is right on schedule
1498945;1467930343;pete_dushenski;http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2016/07/yuval_levin_on_1.html << not a bad episode for the armchair anthropologist log reader. the girl and i took away different key messages (her : pure individualism leads to ruin, i : pure mega-statalism leads to ruin), but it was full of reasonably well-articulated arguments from inside the american echo chamber
1498946;1467930361;pete_dushenski;of course, it would be given that russ roberts and yuval levin are both jooz.
1498947;1467930552;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498271 <--> http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/23/wrip-wrap/
1498948;1467930552;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 16:56 ben_vulpes: also panda?
1498949;1467930591;pete_dushenski;$up luke-jr
1498950;1467930591;deedbot;luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.
1498951;1467930746;pete_dushenski;in other titties, bitbet2 is finally ratcheting up their fee to 2% come august
1498952;1467931044;pete_dushenski;and goddam frenchies beating ze germans. wtf was that about ? colour me unimpressed with the negroes in blue who only won because the crowds and refs won it for them
1498953;1467931101;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> blame the septagenarian struggle to lead the lemmings off the cliff or mordor's highest peak. or just blame potato science 'experts' spouting off about whatever the fuck happiness is in the first place. << Or give in and get a set of potato nails
1498954;1467931139;BingoBoingo;$up Chicago Your city is a shithole
1498955;1467931140;deedbot;Chicago voiced for 30 minutes.
1498956;1467931162;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: stan would beg to differ.
1498957;1467931181;trinque;ignoring unused arguments; it's a feature!
1498958;1467931205;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Because Stan is used to the captital swamp region. Compared to that Chicago is likely paradise.
1498959;1467931303;pete_dushenski;i think a wet cardboard box would be paradise compared to dc
1498960;1467931345;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5clBF38sqqw << "you people"
1498961;1467931361;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: DC is a swamp so wet box could very well be in DC
1498962;1467931530;pete_dushenski;are potato nails that uncommon for bbq(ing) parents ?
1498963;1467931561;pete_dushenski;seems like a sane way to cook the inside of the tater so it's not mushy and gross but wdik
1498964;1467931581;*;pete_dushenski doesn't like baked potatoes, can't stand mashed potatoes
1498965;1467931771;ben_vulpes;oh yeah
1498966;1467931778;ben_vulpes;mine has an own
1498967;1467931779;ben_vulpes;owl*
1498968;1467931811;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: bitbet 'twas in the log!
1498969;1467931812;ben_vulpes;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-07-2016#1451869
1498970;1467931817;ben_vulpes;*a* log, at least.
1498971;1467931848;pete_dushenski;ahahahaha dude... why would i be reading b-a logs ?
1498972;1467931862;pete_dushenski;and a log is not THE log
1498973;1467931886;pete_dushenski;i get that it's like 13sec of reading per day, but still.
1498974;1467931917;ben_vulpes;causes not purposes
1498975;1467931946;ben_vulpes;because kakobrekla takes such dreeeeeamy pictures
1498976;1467932054;pete_dushenski;lol to each there own
1498977;1467932059;pete_dushenski;their*
1498978;1467932121;pete_dushenski;there's no their they're!
1498979;1467932374;shinohai;Yup thought I'd never catch up on those #b-a lawgz lately
1498980;1467933506;Joshua-I;Serious lag on deedbot for a min
1498981;1467933770;BingoBoingo;Still faster than a fiat notary public
1498982;1467933908;pete_dushenski;only because notary publics have nfi what lisp is
1498983;1467934068;BingoBoingo;Sure they do. It's what counsin Sal(ly) picked up when zhe was on the swim team and show choir.
1498984;1467934069;Joshua-I;True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
1498985;1467934220;trinque;deedbot is responding for me in about 1sec
1498986;1467934244;mircea_popescu;$deed hellokitty
1498987;1467934253;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1498988;1467934277;mircea_popescu;10 seconds
1498989;1467934288;trinque;$key trinque
1498990;1467934290;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/40787e16-7358-482d-833c-367a429ca03e/
1498991;1467934299;trinque;depends on what ya command
1498992;1467934308;mircea_popescu;trinque :D just trolling you a little
1498993;1467934315;mircea_popescu;(i imagine this was a network timeout mostly)
1498994;1467934338;trinque;halp internet bully
1498995;1467934342;mircea_popescu;lol
1498996;1467934506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform asnwer't!
1498997;1467934537;pete_dushenski;http://www.nature.com/articles/srep27608 << in other 'why u so big' related matters
1498998;1467934620;pete_dushenski;"Microscopic investigation suggests the possibility that the tip of the hyper-elongated penis is softer than the rest of it, and our numerical model confirms that this type of distribution of stiffness gradient aids in faster propulsion than other types. This result indicates that previously ignored physical properties of genital materials are of crucial importance in evolutionary studies of genitalia." <
1498999;1467934620;pete_dushenski;< taaaaake it!!
1499000;1467934665;mircea_popescu;heh
1499001;1467934774;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498935 << more like a case of "ustards telling you something enmasse, they're DEFINITELY lying. much better odds they are saying it for some meta reason (such as, they read it in the latest cookbook, is the way to make friends out of plywood and influenza people) than for the direct.
1499002;1467934774;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 22:12 pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/06/many-americans-will-tell-you-having-kids-made-them-happier-theyre-probably-lying/ << ben_vulpes might have a foxy actress cum houseperson and a panda to call his own, but that doesn't make him happy!!elevan
1499003;1467934779;mircea_popescu;a nation of liars, as it were.
1499004;1467934798;mircea_popescu;well... technically speaking word magicians, but the difference's negligible.
1499005;1467934886;pete_dushenski;lying to themselves first, infecting each other with rabies second.
1499006;1467934916;mircea_popescu;dap
1499007;1467934946;pete_dushenski;so of course, "don't beat them, they're people too" persists. it's self-perpetuum-immobile!
1499008;1467934948;mircea_popescu;potato science is right
1499009;1467934999;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498937 << note that they conveniently left out the last year. as per multiple reports, THAT is the capper.
1499010;1467934999;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 22:14 pete_dushenski: "In 2012, the U.S. Department of Agriculture estimated that a middle-income American family is likely to spend $234,900 to raise a child born in 2011 to age 17. If the kid goes to college, that figure may double." << though half a mil on a sjw you couldn't bring yourself to kill would suck the life force out of a sultan.
1499011;1467935025;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/08/why-government-funded-research-is-totally-fucking-borked/ << 'potato science' ref for log readers
1499012;1467935048;mircea_popescu;shinohai / BingoBoingo "improve it's security"
1499013;1467935127;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: 'we'd share more recent data but it's an electionocution year and we're busy making bonfires out of our research'
1499014;1467935209;pete_dushenski;after 2012, it's just write down the highest number our impoverished bureaucrats can count to and go with that.
1499015;1467935225;pete_dushenski;no money for 'studies'
1499016;1467935867;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ty, fxd. Pls to check
1499017;1467935948;pete_dushenski;https://security.googleblog.com/2016/07/experimenting-with-post-quantum.html << in still other 'your tax dollars at work' snooze
1499018;1467936010;pete_dushenski;"Today we're announcing an experiment in Chrome where a small fraction of connections between desktop Chrome and Google's servers will use a post-quantum key-exchange algorithm in addition to the elliptic-curve key-exchange algorithm that would typically be used. By adding a post-quantum algorithm on top of the existing one, we are able to experiment without affecting user security. The post-quantum algor
1499019;1467936010;pete_dushenski;ithm might turn out to be breakable even with today's computers, in which case the elliptic-curve algorithm will still provide the best security that today’s technology can offer." << l0l!!!
1499020;1467936066;pete_dushenski;'we're trying to break the broken to see if the more broken is really more broken or if we should stick with our current broken.'
1499021;1467936553;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo lol
1499022;1467936618;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski this entire "post quantum" thing reminds one sorely of the "post-ozone-layer" and "post-year-2k-bug" lolpocalypses.
1499023;1467936701;pete_dushenski;then ima start selling 'back-up crypto generators' with no return policies for $2k a pop
1499024;1467936713;pete_dushenski;then we'll see who's a kulak!
1499025;1467936724;mircea_popescu;heh
1499026;1467936730;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498940 << pretty lulzy. 'transparent' in the manner of 'organic food' (see l0gz) - in strictly the carefully-selected useless ways
1499027;1467936730;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 22:20 pete_dushenski: http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-was-your-smartphone-made-nobody-really-knows-1467832310 << in similar 'it's not whether we're effective but what's on the inside that counts' nyooz
1499028;1467936750;asciilifeform;'here, learn where the ~metals~ (supposedly) come from. but don't ask about how they are arranged, terrorist.'
1499029;1467936813;asciilifeform;meanwhile someone is laughing all the way to the bank, selling raw materials for 2-3x their normal price by affixing 'fair trade' shiny sticker. previously this only worked for food, and only in a few locales, in usa, where folks temporarily have more money than sense
1499030;1467936873;Joshua-I;What's the opinion on pgp smart cards / yubikey around here
1499031;1467936874;pete_dushenski;same phenomenon is also seen in building materials, actually increasingly so
1499032;1467936875;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "restrict mining market" thing, as experimented by crown jool debeers, is a major schtick because of its implications for oil, russia and in general. remember how just about when independent countries gathered enough technological mommentum to build exportable lightbulbs, the item "had to be upgraded" ?
1499033;1467936876;asciilifeform;'What really makes Fairphone different is its marketing of radical transparency. For the first time, I’m thinking about what’s inside my phone, where it came from and who touched it before I did. '
1499034;1467936885;asciilifeform;'know'
1499035;1467936891;asciilifeform;Joshua-I: see logs
1499036;1467936895;mircea_popescu;that's the whole principle - you can not do things by yourself! this is swedish socialism and "we" gotta be!
1499037;1467936922;pete_dushenski;mommyntum
1499038;1467936925;Joshua-I;asciilifeform: sorry, I really need to habituate that
1499039;1467937054;asciilifeform;Joshua-I: main problem is that it is a single-chip item that is not in any meaningful way inspectable.
1499040;1467937082;asciilifeform;(unless you own an electron microscope and have a few year's worth of free time. in which case you can inspect YOUR PARTICULAR example.)
1499041;1467937152;mircea_popescu;there's abundant objections to the damned things.
1499042;1467937184;mircea_popescu;"o look, the cookie model is bullshit, so they fixed it by making a dongle. cuz we all know dongles work, atari proved it!"
1499043;1467937215;asciilifeform;there are other problems, but the logz seem to be missing the main thread, so i will summarize a few: it is physically impossible to fit a serious rng in the thing, regardless of how constructed; the pc knows that a dedicated crypto hardware item is connected, and if attacker controls it he can sign/decrypt whatever the hell he wants with your card; and a bunch more.
1499044;1467937218;Joshua-I;Yeah obviously
1499045;1467937231;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498964 << mashed potatoes are the devil's own spawn.
1499046;1467937231;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 22:46 pete_dushenski doesn't like baked potatoes, can't stand mashed potatoes
1499047;1467937251;Joshua-I;In combination with wot I don't think it's half bad though
1499048;1467937291;mircea_popescu;combination how ?
1499049;1467937329;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: amen. shit's right up there with gravy and... that's it really. top two 'normally' ingested poisons : mashed potatoes and gravy. fucking incredible that they're oft eaten together.
1499050;1467937332;Joshua-I;Well if you're staunchly against having offices then it's crap, but if you're not it certainly works better than paper id
1499051;1467937342;mircea_popescu;do you count worchestershire as gravy ?
1499052;1467937350;pete_dushenski;nope
1499053;1467937357;mircea_popescu;aok then.
1499054;1467937377;mircea_popescu;Joshua-I you mean wgat, like access control cards sorta application ?
1499055;1467937408;Joshua-I;Yea
1499056;1467937443;mircea_popescu;god i hate those things. from an institutional perspective - all anyone has to do to open all your doors is cut the power. from an individual perspective fuck me i'm not going in the rat maze.
1499057;1467937451;asciilifeform;phun phakt: not ONE door access card maker in usa, afaik, uses crypto of any kind whatsoever.
1499058;1467937459;asciilifeform;all hardcoded string.
1499059;1467937466;asciilifeform;i suspect that it is shadow-mandated somehow.
1499060;1467937467;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: 'gravy' is really leftover cooking fat (from baking) mixed with corn starch and 'seasoning'
1499061;1467937472;mircea_popescu;possibly the most usg-tronic item in existence today. i'd rather have doberman patrols.
1499062;1467937491;Joshua-I;Cut the power? It'd have to be very poorly designed for that to work
1499063;1467937493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cutting the power, in any sane place, does not open the locks
1499064;1467937500;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski it can be many things. chet made some pretty epic gravy. you're right in that it's rendered fat as the fat base ; with a starch. this is how all sauces are made.
1499065;1467937502;Joshua-I;I hope they don't make elevators lmao
1499066;1467937511;asciilifeform;all doors in usa must be openable ~from inside~ per fire code; but other than that, nope
1499067;1467937528;mircea_popescu;Joshua-I think about it, it's either fail deadly or fail safe. if there's no power it can either lock or unlock. which do you pick ?
1499068;1467937530;mircea_popescu;unlock is the safer.
1499069;1467937552;asciilifeform;it dun 'unlock', it stays locked (from outside) and openable (mechanically, press the fire bar) from inside.
1499070;1467937566;asciilifeform;of all the problems with electric locks, this is not one !
1499071;1467937572;Joshua-I;If you need it that safe lock is reasonable, if you don't then what do you care
1499072;1467937578;mircea_popescu;yeah well, i've seen the item i describe!
1499073;1467937586;mircea_popescu;alcatel building in timisoara, had the exact problem when power went out.
1499074;1467937587;Joshua-I;You can just as easily bust down a door
1499075;1467937593;asciilifeform;l0l!
1499076;1467937595;Joshua-I;Get insurance etc
1499077;1467937596;mircea_popescu;and they're AN INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATICS SHOP!
1499078;1467937599;asciilifeform;must be very special euro fire code
1499079;1467937611;asciilifeform;Join Moar EU.
1499080;1467937628;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you. i dun think it's sensible, but seen with own eyes hard to go away.
1499081;1467937673;asciilifeform;i worked in a corp where the doors were run by a winblows ME box.
1499082;1467937681;asciilifeform;running continuously since 1990s.
1499083;1467937686;asciilifeform;hidden in a closet.
1499084;1467937707;Joshua-I;This place is somehow more addictive and habit forming than twitter
1499085;1467937733;Joshua-I;It's like a stimulating predicate logic twitter
1499086;1467937777;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1499009 << you mean, the year they stopped bothering to cook up the numbers ?
1499087;1467937777;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 23:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498937 << note that they conveniently left out the last year. as per multiple reports, THAT is the capper.
1499088;1467937789;mircea_popescu;lol
1499089;1467937824;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no i mean from 17yo to 18yo when dudes want car and bitches need prom dress + abortion.
1499090;1467937828;asciilifeform;but yes, this is not the first 'news' article that cites stats circa 2012 or earlier
1499091;1467937846;asciilifeform;i was looking at baltimore crime data and it more or less tapers off around that time
1499092;1467937851;asciilifeform;unless i missed something
1499093;1467937858;asciilifeform;ah hm
1499094;1467937925;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498984 << back in romania i had to spend ~2 hours each year signing the yearly reports of corps. i am not kidding, a literal two hours. thousands of signatures.
1499095;1467937925;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 23:27 Joshua-I: True BingoBoingo last time I had to do that it was at least 15mins signing the thing not to mention the pointless talk before hand
1499096;1467937927;asciilifeform;the most conveniently left out figure is the cost of participation in the college racket
1499097;1467937935;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform word.
1499098;1467937982;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: article vaguely alluded to post-sec bezzletron with 'figure can double'
1499099;1467937986;asciilifeform;partly because it isn't even a price, but a cut of whatever net worth the family might have
1499100;1467937995;mircea_popescu;that's not going to "count" as a cost because... well, corruption, racism, etcetera.
1499101;1467938017;asciilifeform;aha.
1499102;1467938025;asciilifeform;when leech drinks, that is not a cost, that is 'business as usual.'
1499103;1467938029;asciilifeform;and shuddup terrorist.
1499104;1467938031;asciilifeform;etc.
1499105;1467938042;mircea_popescu;where was that article...
1499106;1467938519;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1499107;1467938521;gribble;Current Blocks: 419755 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1588 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1499108;1467938554;*;pete_dushenski off for an evening ride.
1499109;1467938639;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/
1499110;1467938642;mircea_popescu;there we go!
1499111;1467939795;hanbot;and introducing a troo luminary of the illinois school system, mchenry county college, which offers a "Geek Technology" program: http://www.mchenry.edu/geektech/
1499112;1467939816;hanbot;only $3.5k!
1499113;1467939872;phf;maaan, i read that as "greek technology" and got really excited
1499114;1467939903;mircea_popescu;ahahaha\
1499115;1467939925;mircea_popescu;phf meanwhile dead cluj ethnologist had a superb "wood technology" class.
1499116;1467939942;mircea_popescu;because yes, before carnegie, world ran on wood.
1499117;1467940020;BingoBoingo;hanbot: lol, greater chicagoland area
1499118;1467940562;mircea_popescu;and in other sack news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/1170ad4ec6e63d7a1cee4225f942fb40/tumblr_n7mvt6mmXL1tx2lkpo1_1280.jpg
1499119;1467940631;Joshua-I;You must have an interesting tumblr my man
1499120;1467940648;BingoBoingo;hanbot: You know you could prolly qntra that program up.
1499121;1467940835;phf;there used to be a generation of 70s anthropologists in u.s. who read gary snyder and did things with their hands, they would teach all these interesting retro technology classes. they are mostly gone now, i've managed to catch their last wave and got a distinct feel from them "kids these days fucking suck"
1499122;1467941000;phf;there was a guy at local community college who taught "shelters of the world" class, which started with "build a log cabin for a grade" some time in the 80s and ended with "design shelter on paper, bring me something, i will make curve"
1499123;1467941123;hanbot;BingoBoingo not a bad idea. how 'bout i keep it and its wretched brothers aside as i go and write a roundup thingie when done? to go with the "peace studies" one and whatever other horrors await.
1499124;1467941170;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Works. Bonus lulz if you come up with new expansions for common .edu acronyms.
1499125;1467941174;hanbot;shelters of the world! i'd take a yurt class fo' sho'
1499126;1467941288;BingoBoingo;I mean seriously the people derping about STEM, access, and MOOC have to be actually taking about something other than what they say those things expand to
1499127;1467941360;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, fleanode is really turning to shit.
1499128;1467941427;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, it is exactly as shitty as last week. Just happens to have aimnus'd at you at the moment.
1499129;1467941519;asciilifeform;mno.
1499130;1467941525;asciilifeform;2 disconnects in <2 days
1499131;1467941532;asciilifeform;normally i got for a quarter with 0.
1499132;1467941602;BingoBoingo;Right, freenode has aimed its anus at you, hence you getting the shit. Phenomenon colloquially known as aimnus.
1499133;1467941719;BingoBoingo;Aimnus is prerequisite for shitting with intent
1499134;1467941793;phf;hanbot: guy really knew his shelters tho, but from a certain kind perspective. spent some time building geodesic domes with lloyd kahn, traveled places to ethnograph or try and join builds, including mongolia for yurts
1499135;1467941865;phf;a lifetime of very specialized knowledge to share with a bunch of no child left behind cases
1499136;1467942166;mircea_popescu;so a limbo champion walks into a bar...
1499137;1467942199;mircea_popescu;phf aha. was even more pronounced in eurolands.
1499138;1467942206;BingoBoingo;And he lost his title?
1499139;1467942210;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo :)
1499140;1467942254;phf;thanks, BingoBoingo, i'd be sitting there waiting for the rest of the joke otherwise
1499141;1467942260;mircea_popescu;>D
1499142;1467942275;mircea_popescu;s'the problem phf, your alf-made interpreter barfs on unterminated data ? :D
1499143;1467942298;BingoBoingo;Yeah, had to make sure joke was closed for alf.
1499144;1467942306;BingoBoingo;))))))))))))))))))
1499145;1467942310;BingoBoingo;^ Just in case
1499146;1467942325;mircea_popescu;one day all the trolage is going to come back to bite us.
1499147;1467942328;asciilifeform;(.
1499148;1467942350;phf;when asciilifeform will finally find +ev way to go postal
1499149;1467942383;mircea_popescu;let's do a cinematic culture test!
1499150;1467942390;mircea_popescu;http://66.media.tumblr.com/f16c8cb89f75bf1274bac0fb3aee0689/tumblr_nvgkmunt4o1roh230o1_400.gif << place the scene.
1499151;1467942502;mircea_popescu;hm ? hm ? :D
1499152;1467942534;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i had my fair share of them the oast few weeks
1499153;1467942556;mod6;hm. i got nothin.
1499154;1467942558;*;mod6 failed
1499155;1467942626;mircea_popescu;F IN CINEMA CULTURE!
1499156;1467942627;hanbot;mircea_popescu that's that irreversible thing neh?
1499157;1467942631;mircea_popescu;darn.
1499158;1467942646;mircea_popescu;yes, monica belucci's longest rape scene (she does one per movie, it's in her contract)
1499159;1467942647;mod6;<+covertress> don't you want some? <+shinohai> my sides << omg yes. lol.
1499160;1467942662;mircea_popescu;A in CINEMA CULTURE hanbot !
1499161;1467942698;shinohai;so many mixed reactions there mod6
1499162;1467942714;ben_vulpes;'twas in a trilema post recently
1499163;1467942732;ben_vulpes;rape scene, french flim, something something the girl
1499164;1467942739;mod6;i lul'd earlier when i read that thread shinohai. funny stuff.
1499165;1467942763;mod6;one per movie.  what a gal.
1499166;1467942779;mircea_popescu;i suspect she's not quite together.
1499167;1467942801;mircea_popescu;but in other headfucking.net news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/17c94b60081a797c24faa5be296473c9/tumblr_mflc8zFSsZ1s1vwalo1_400.gif
1499168;1467942821;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes oh was it ? i forget.
1499169;1467942891;mod6;nb
1499170;1467942995;ben_vulpes;wasn't it?
1499171;1467943161;shinohai;mod6 well anything eth related usually leads to lulz
1499172;1467943167;mod6;indeed
1499173;1467943234;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i am surprised that it does not come with jsxploits
1499174;1467943287;phf;the lady is clearly special
1499175;1467943325;ben_vulpes;$rated pankkake
1499176;1467943326;deedbot;ben_vulpes has not rated pankkake.
1499177;1467943360;ben_vulpes;what'll it take?
1499178;1467943396;ben_vulpes;Joshua-I: btw, d'you plan to negrate pankkake for the malicious js?
1499179;1467943417;ben_vulpes;or is that a thing that consumers have cum to buttsecks
1499180;1467943483;Joshua-I;Was it deliberate?
1499181;1467943602;ben_vulpes;'twas hosted at zher domain
1499182;1467943616;ben_vulpes;pick either malice or incompetence
1499183;1467943621;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what'd it do, exactly ?
1499184;1467943628;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ask Joshua-I
1499185;1467943914;Joshua-I;Well I'm not willing to bother running it again, but from what I can deduce it checks whether you're running certain browsers then fucks your browser accordingly with nasty js
1499186;1467943967;Joshua-I;If you go with a browser like lynx the redirect never happens
1499187;1467943973;Joshua-I;But if you use chrome it does
1499188;1467943983;Joshua-I;So I think it might be a kind of obtuse joke
1499189;1467944669;BingoBoingo;Perhap a browser miner?
1499190;1467944756;deedbot;[Qntra] Days Of Rain Set Corn Crop Up For Strong Finish - http://qntra.net/2016/07/days-of-rain-set-corn-crop-up-for-strong-finish/
1499191;1467945364;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499183 << crapcoin mining, i would hope!
1499192;1467945364;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 02:07 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what'd it do, exactly ?
1499193;1467945377;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4741
1499194;1467945434;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499174 << there's no school like highschool!
1499195;1467945434;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 02:01 phf: the lady is clearly special
1499196;1467945722;mircea_popescu;check it out, there's a worldofcorn.com website for BingoBoingo 's pleasure. 2015 us avg yield was 168.4 bushels / acre for a total 13.6 bn bushels. corn is about 400 calories / lb, there's 56 lb per bushel of shelled corn, thus therefore
1499197;1467945733;mircea_popescu;;;calc 13.6 * 56 * 400
1499198;1467945734;gribble;304640
1499199;1467945747;mircea_popescu;about 300 trn corn calories produced in 2015.
1499200;1467945770;BingoBoingo;seriously
1499201;1467945781;mircea_popescu;comes just a shade under 1mn / capita / year, which is to say 2.8k calories.
1499202;1467945809;mircea_popescu;a day i mean
1499203;1467945874;BingoBoingo;And that's just the corn
1499204;1467945957;mircea_popescu;"just the corn" = all soda ; all mcdonalds/etc hamburgers ; all sauce, icecream etc.
1499205;1467945966;mircea_popescu;the corn is everything.
1499206;1467946037;mircea_popescu;but anyway, corn output doubled since the 80s/90s. it can't be said agro tech hasn't improved.
1499207;1467946071;mod6;i like the corn related stories on qntra
1499208;1467946079;mod6;s/stories/articles/
1499209;1467946093;mircea_popescu;i keep hoping the great cornholio shows up in comment section one day
1499210;1467946106;mod6;:D
1499211;1467946126;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKP-bVViPX8 < for millenials.
1499212;1467946141;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: You forget the soy-corn and the wheat-corn and the...
1499213;1467946146;mircea_popescu;tru
1499214;1467946165;BingoBoingo;Not to mention the imported corn
1499215;1467946182;mircea_popescu;iirc mostly imported as ethaline
1499216;1467946200;BingoBoingo;Also imported as bulk grain
1499217;1467946320;BingoBoingo;mod6: ty
1499218;1467946342;BingoBoingo;Qntra tries to cover all the buttcorns and all the altcorns
1499219;1467946535;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4740
1499220;1467946878;mats;i never understood the humor in 'beavis and butt-head'
1499221;1467946889;phf;;;age mats
1499222;1467946889;gribble;Error: "age" is not a valid command.
1499223;1467946899;phf;we need this
1499224;1467946906;mats;and apparently mike judge plans to bring it back
1499225;1467946919;mats;mid 20s, phf.
1499226;1467946921;mircea_popescu;i dun think it's the age. might well be a cultural thing. they're pretty white.
1499227;1467946953;mircea_popescu;mats ~nobody finds it funny that didn't know 5`000 various idiots that, if brancusi'd, end up beavis and butthead.
1499228;1467946955;mircea_popescu;it's modern art.
1499229;1467946995;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm all set for a second expedition! this weekend.
1499230;1467946997;mats;"brancusi'd"?
1499231;1467947000;mircea_popescu;the difference between the 70s born shitheads and the millenials being that back in the 70s http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499121 and therefore there was someone to mock them
1499232;1467947000;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 01:20 phf: there used to be a generation of 70s anthropologists in u.s. who read gary snyder and did things with their hands, they would teach all these interesting retro technology classes. they are mostly gone now, i've managed to catch their last wave and got a distinct feel from them "kids these days fucking suck"
1499233;1467947022;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Good luck and godspeed. May you get castle alfstein yet!
1499234;1467947034;mircea_popescu;mats https://nydla.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/domnisoara-pogani.jpg << it's a style.
1499235;1467947069;mats;wtf am i looking at
1499236;1467947089;mircea_popescu;a head.
1499237;1467947092;phf;i bring peeeace
1499238;1467947097;mod6;<+mats> and apparently mike judge plans to bring it back << there was a new season that he created a year or two ago
1499239;1467947109;mod6;I think it was just one season. was funny tho
1499240;1467947142;mats;the eyeball protrusions, is that supposed to mean something?
1499241;1467947161;asciilifeform;'We sellin' scramble, coke en smack, keep them junkies commin' back.' << l0l
1499242;1467947182;mod6;umm guess it wasn't a year or two, more like 5. lol. 2011.
1499243;1467947186;mats;i dunno man. the vast majority of all art i have ever seen exhibited in museums and galleries or whut not do absolutely nothing for me
1499244;1467947196;mircea_popescu;mats not sure how familiar with art history & theory you are, but anyway, the point is let's call it "essentialisation", ie, a very deep stylisation of form.
1499245;1467947219;mats;no endorphins moving around, no sense of the thing inspires a sense of awe or beauty in me, i literally don't feel anything
1499246;1467947226;mats;not sure if i'm broken or the art.
1499247;1467947233;mircea_popescu;you've been lied to.
1499248;1467947245;mircea_popescu;it's not sex, to produce endorphins. it's used condoms.
1499249;1467947278;BingoBoingo;http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/bizarre-graffiti-fires-and-other-vandalism-target-st-louis-churches/article_dd45a33c-b23f-53bb-aea2-370617575e34.html
1499250;1467947294;mircea_popescu;the expectation art would "move you" is a late revival of idiotic victorian-romantic notions whereby women, mentally stunted by their gender and therefore incapable of comprehending art, nevertheless "felt it" somehow, ovary-magically.
1499251;1467947322;mircea_popescu;that this rank nonsense of obvious source still survives is nothing if not a testament to the ignorant, parochial ustardian society.
1499252;1467947390;mats;i just dun find myself capable of looking at most pieces for more than a dozen seconds or so
1499253;1467947394;mats;insta boredom
1499254;1467947409;mircea_popescu;think in terms of "disjointed lines from tmsr logs"
1499255;1467947419;mircea_popescu;it WOULD be fucking boring ; without knowledge of the history etc.
1499256;1467947435;mircea_popescu;which is why people teach the upper class kids these things ; the rest dun has teh time.
1499257;1467947436;mats;so i need an art history education
1499258;1467947450;mircea_popescu;wouldn't go as far as need ; but this is what it's for if you have it.
1499259;1467947459;mats;imma put that... at the bottom of the bucket list
1499260;1467947485;mircea_popescu;much like pole dancing, it's not something to pick up late in life anyway.
1499261;1467947576;*;asciilifeform has secret vice - luvvvz various artz, spent good chunk of chicago trip in the gallery
1499262;1467948010;Joshua-I;Not much for aesthetics are we
1499263;1467948035;Joshua-I;Yet still sexually attracted to things I imagine
1499264;1467948362;Joshua-I;Art is the most supreme, most divine of instructions
1499265;1467948392;Joshua-I;Easily fulfilling the requirements of sense and intellect simultaneously
1499266;1467948473;Joshua-I;And so just as easily perpetuates itself
1499267;1467948706;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/07/days-of-rain-set-corn-crop-up-for-strong-finish/#comment-63363
1499268;1467949206;BingoBoingo;227 blocks till halving
1499269;1467949314;Joshua-I;Think the gettin' will be good post-halving
1499270;1467949421;BingoBoingo;Only for tose strong in hodl
1499271;1467949520;mircea_popescu;wtf video-embed what is wrong with people.
1499272;1467949533;asciilifeform;it dun load here.
1499273;1467949854;BingoBoingo;or here
1499274;1467950178;Joshua-I;I've found it.. the one important trilema post: http://trilema.com/2014/what-interests-me-in-a-project/ ;P
1499275;1467950199;trinque;check this guy out.. the one
1499276;1467950402;BingoBoingo;Nah, if there is only one it is this treatise on money http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao
1499277;1467950657;Joshua-I;Now the last mystery to uncover is the use of comic sans
1499278;1467950663;Joshua-I;What could it possibly mean?
1499279;1467950765;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/07/days-of-rain-set-corn-crop-up-for-strong-finish/#comment-63371 << lelz
1499280;1467950950;trinque;holy shit, his name is Trendy
1499281;1467951253;trinque;ah. that's supposedly Pirateat40
1499282;1467951383;mod6;sniper fire in dallas
1499283;1467951404;trinque;gf was saying some cops got shot?
1499284;1467951420;mod6;im hearing 11 shot, 4 dead.
1499285;1467951430;mod6;atm
1499286;1467951450;trinque;http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protests-in-Dallas-Over-Alton-Sterling-Death-385784431.html
1499287;1467951452;trinque;yep
1499288;1467951508;asciilifeform;mod6: obligatory, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1483090
1499289;1467951508;a111;Logged on 2016-06-15 20:49 asciilifeform: no word re the american snipers in bucharest '89, or moscow '93, or venezuela '02, ...., ...
1499290;1467951611;asciilifeform;monkeys dun snipe.
1499291;1467951663;trinque;hey, maybe they're gonna have a revival of allah snackbar, #blacklivesmatter edition
1499292;1467951825;trinque;http://www.theatlantic.com/news/archive/2016/07/dallas-protest-shooting/490451/ << reporting that the suspects have threatened a bombing
1499293;1467951944;trinque;https://twitter.com/FOX4/status/751236933125156864/video/1
1499294;1467951953;asciilifeform;likewise oblig: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-02#1259456
1499295;1467951953;a111;Logged on 2015-09-02 04:15 asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
1499296;1467952003;trinque;seems moar like useful idiots than conspirators
1499297;1467952032;trinque;we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though
1499298;1467952930;mircea_popescu;"Y'all keep mentioning WOT, but do you actually run a keyserver with a published trust graph accessible via any sort of standardized protocol?" << sick burn trinque
1499299;1467953011;mircea_popescu;$gettrust BingoBoingo
1499300;1467953011;deedbot;L1: 4, L2: 39 by 27 connections.
1499301;1467953108;mircea_popescu;"Because I mean WOT is not too revolutionary when it is just another name for a bunch of peoples' non-interoperable personal black books between which information can be exchanged only by explicitly manual means." << da fuck, "your working thing's no good!"
1499302;1467953115;mircea_popescu;seriously, this nonsense is still supposed to work ?
1499303;1467953131;mircea_popescu;what am i going to hear next, that the people of libya want "freedom" ?
1499304;1467953177;asciilifeform;lel, fella wants an 'istrustworthy(x)'
1499305;1467953220;mircea_popescu;seems more like fella wants a "nice fort you boys built, time now for us all to agree house is better" sort of thing.
1499306;1467953280;mircea_popescu;apparently one of the direct, entrenched results of no woman being pimpslapped for talking out of order in anyone's personal memory is a whole lot of those "that's nice dear, now come to bed" sorta vomits.
1499307;1467953312;asciilifeform;yeah but - ~which~, here, bed?
1499308;1467953328;mircea_popescu;he has a list, freenet, whatever.
1499309;1467953342;asciilifeform;afaik long dead
1499310;1467953371;asciilifeform;(and, when alive, java)
1499311;1467953424;mircea_popescu;anyway, i gotta admit the "democracy" drivel is nothing if not incredibly flexible. can be spread on bread as "science not cults!!11", can be spread on bread as "say no to silly (orly?) power games and ~~~sycophancy~~~" because if you call male independence the bad word it'll totally stick, men are really just a bunch of women that deeply care about labels like that. can obviously be spread as "the people of libya want the fr
1499312;1467953425;mircea_popescu;eedom to give us all their shit for free, and romania really didn't need a nuclear activities agency",
1499313;1467953425;mod6;heh freenet
1499314;1467953428;mircea_popescu;can be cut any way you please.
1499315;1467953448;mircea_popescu;this is the typical characteristic of cults and quacks, of course, but who's to notice THAT.
1499316;1467953493;mircea_popescu;the one universal socket wrench, ointment and single idea anyone could ever need! DEMOCRACY!
1499317;1467953595;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you recall the lithuanian butthurt of half a decade or so ago ?
1499318;1467953662;asciilifeform;when joined nato and told that their '13333347' 'werewolf brigades' or wtf nazi claptrap was unneeded and they would be working as nurses strictly in nato army, should there even be any lithuanians left on day 2 of war ?
1499319;1467953684;asciilifeform;this re ro nuclear.
1499320;1467953766;asciilifeform;tiny countries who bend over for nee owner and think that they still get to decide anything, remind me of the familiar 'yappy dogs' old women keep
1499321;1467953777;asciilifeform;*new owner
1499322;1467956804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this may well work from the "public good" interest, but what exactly does it do for lithuania ?
1499323;1467956813;mircea_popescu;"there can be no such thing as lithuania" "yawell."
1499324;1467956866;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499264 << you seen http://trilema.com/2013/what-is-art/ ?
1499325;1467956866;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 03:26 Joshua-I: Art is the most supreme, most divine of instructions
1499326;1467957240;mircea_popescu;and in other "50 years of" news, http://filthygifs.tumblr.com/post/130267399248/ganguponher-ah-yes-dp-the-great-american
1499327;1467957272;mircea_popescu;the ridoinculous half-afro-and-mustache look of the 70s and wtf-is-with-sunglasses-indoors 80s/90s
1499328;1467957301;mircea_popescu;otherwise, lightbulbs were apparently invented sometime in 2010
1499329;1467957451;Joshua-I;I rewatched True Romance the other day (thanks to you) and now I must have those rad sunglasses Clarence wears at some point
1499330;1467957510;mircea_popescu;ie elvis' ?
1499331;1467957521;Joshua-I;Did he actually wear that variant?
1499332;1467957525;mircea_popescu;iirc
1499333;1467957539;mircea_popescu;https://www.amazon.co.uk/Romance-Elvis-Style-Sunglasses-Gradient/dp/B00B1P1WB4 << 19.99
1499334;1467957589;Joshua-I;Amazin'
1499335;1467958125;Joshua-I;I see no mention of ancient art in your post, what's up with that?
1499336;1467958150;mircea_popescu;also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
1499337;1467958184;mircea_popescu;Joshua-I nor of modern, for that matter. it's time-invariant, yes ?
1499338;1467958408;Joshua-I;Well I'd say it touches on a few more things than merely being some political indirection
1499339;1467958447;Joshua-I;Those noble types did like to impress each other and feel an exclusivity in their interpretations of art
1499340;1467958776;Joshua-I;They didn't just permit it, but were studied in it, which in the cases of their private residences and gardens suggests the opposite of what you suggest at the end there
1499341;1467976492;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/11Cj
1499342;1467976492;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1499343;1467980457;mircea_popescu;;;later tell Joshua-I how do you know this ?
1499344;1467980457;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1499345;1467980943;thestringpuller;How do you turn an advertising business into a ponzi scheme?
1499346;1467980953;thestringpuller;https://forum.bitcoin.com/topic6275.html?sid=e2e55101bd60af0fed7b713bad60910c << quite easily it seems
1499347;1467981044;shinohai;"Spamming blockchains is our bidness!"
1499348;1467981080;thestringpuller;reminds me of cointelegraphs obviously false conversion rate
1499349;1467981169;BingoBoingo;If I'm not mistaken qntra has a small if not entirely different kind of conversion rate
1499350;1467981243;thestringpuller;It had a high click through rate for advertisements
1499351;1467981251;thestringpuller;but no actual conversions
1499352;1467981263;thestringpuller;(iirc from the namworld campaign with coinroll or what not)
1499353;1467981299;thestringpuller;although i think the campaign was yanked prematurely @_@
1499354;1467981332;mircea_popescu;from experience, "hacking" delivers infinitely better results than "advertising". ie you're better off raping the site than paying the site.
1499355;1467981459;mircea_popescu;kinda in line with the diy ethos of the rest of computing. you want to be secure ? you're better off taking out the holes than "hiring a team of experts". whatever you want - take it, don't ask.
1499356;1467981482;thestringpuller;the lets poke wordpress sites until one of them gives and then post a bunch of spam backlinks
1499357;1467981487;thestringpuller;campaign
1499358;1467981493;mircea_popescu;you can ask the ethereum huffers to be fucking sane already until you fall over. but #etherape and a few short weeks later they've all woken up.
1499359;1467981545;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/ << already done
1499360;1467981560;mircea_popescu;trilema has many 1000s of backlinks from derpy wordpressen
1499361;1467981733;thestringpuller;advertising is generally bastardized. analytics and metrics are useful (sometimes). depends on if you care about the market reaction or not.
1499362;1467981777;mircea_popescu;useful in the sense playing candy crush is useful. gives you something to do in the subte.
1499363;1467981779;thestringpuller;given bitcoin is anti-consumer, marketing doesn't have an immediate value because any sane business should not care about what the consumer thinks
1499364;1467981838;mircea_popescu;there is scarce relation between "web metrics and online analytics" and marketing.
1499365;1467981838;thestringpuller;more like useful in the sense of new local restaurant trying to target the most loyal customers
1499366;1467981850;mircea_popescu;~the same relation as between playing candy crush and cooking.
1499367;1467981862;thestringpuller;"most potential loyal" customer
1499368;1467981878;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller there a) is no such thing as loyal customers and b) no conceivable reason restaurant would care. which is why they don't even bother to keep lists.
1499369;1467981898;mircea_popescu;back in the old country, reservations worked like so : unknown plebe could get "reservation", only valid if none of the important people showed up.
1499370;1467981906;mircea_popescu;i never made a reservation, never waited for a table.
1499371;1467981919;mircea_popescu;us restaurants don't work like this - consequently, loyalty is impossible.
1499372;1467981970;mircea_popescu;clubs DO work like this, in the larger towns. but the lists are maintained by a loose network of associated strippers/whores/pr girls, who do the promotion footwork.
1499373;1467981971;thestringpuller;Aha. I was talking more about the pub-esque "regulars". You know the drunk who spends 2k a month on booze.
1499374;1467981998;mircea_popescu;that guy picks his pub not by "closest to home" but by facebook ? rly ?
1499375;1467982004;thestringpuller;Yea. I used to work that scene. Honestly the club scene in america is very much turning into "the pimp scene" or maybe it always was taht.
1499376;1467982040;mircea_popescu;nah. the way this works is you open a 10k seater club, have 50-100 girls to go to all the CEO types in that city, tell them "if you agree to come to X club this weekend i'll take all my clothes off and you can fingerfuck me right here on yoru desk"
1499377;1467982065;mircea_popescu;that gives you a steady stream of those in the 100s, and then all the aspie schmucks pay to get in and rub... elbows.
1499378;1467982073;shinohai;^ life advice here ppl
1499379;1467982092;thestringpuller;That's how the higher end clubs operate. The ones that have ~actual~ vip rooms.
1499380;1467982099;mircea_popescu;right.
1499381;1467982127;thestringpuller;The plebs for college students usually is just "get as many girls here as possible to attract frat dudes to buy them drinks"
1499382;1467982143;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller club scene is fundamentally pimp scene. it'd better be, the alternative is what, highschool cafeteria + prep talks ?
1499383;1467982160;thestringpuller;So all the "advertisement" is in relation to 1) showing guys there are hot girls there 2) getting hot girls there
1499384;1467982161;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller yeah, that's the obnoxious part about us college towns.
1499385;1467982186;mircea_popescu;and the problem with this theory is that us media, unlike everyone else who's sane, won't carry nudity.
1499386;1467982204;thestringpuller;Yea. The college club scene is very akin to herding. Actually similar to high school.
1499387;1467982210;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to put a 50 ft tall poster of a nude woman kissing a campari olive on a drab gray wall across from the campus enclosure.
1499388;1467982221;mircea_popescu;it's another to "tastefully" derp in the us.
1499389;1467982253;thestringpuller;My girlfriend would very much hates that about the US.
1499390;1467982262;thestringpuller;Ah s/would//
1499391;1467982264;mircea_popescu;o look at that, activision bought king.com back in feb. guess what - "blizzard family". world of warcraft and candy crush, same thing!
1499392;1467982266;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1499393;1467982288;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller if she would where's her titpic! :D
1499394;1467982312;thestringpuller;Hmm. I'll ask her about that.
1499395;1467982337;thestringpuller;oh wow activision is going the EA route.
1499396;1467982354;thestringpuller;Like when EA bought PopCap cause Plants vs Zombies could be remade 4mn times like the sims and still sell.
1499397;1467982373;thestringpuller;and this is why the current game I'm playing is 20 years old...
1499398;1467982410;mircea_popescu;oh and the OTHER obnoxious thing about us college towns is they fucking puke.
1499399;1467982420;mircea_popescu;jesus christ when did that become socially acceptable.
1499400;1467982524;thestringpuller;Funny story. My last semester in school, I was walking to my goto pub. These chicks are crossing the street right? One of them pukes on the light post. Her friends help her stand a little. Then after the light changes she continues walking as if nothing ever happened.
1499401;1467982568;thestringpuller;Another good one is as a freshman, one of my friends lived in a dorm with a lot of sorority pledges. So when she was getting up for her 8am class, she'd see girls stumble in go to the toilets. Puke. Put on makeup, and go to class...
1499402;1467982591;mircea_popescu;should be a misdemeanor, "you puke in public you spend that night in jail. no judge, no exceptions."
1499403;1467982644;thestringpuller;Man thinking about all the parties I've been to where there was some girl puking her brains out in her "night gear" (the kinda clothes you wear to work the corner), crying their eyes out with someone annoyed holding their hair back.
1499404;1467982645;mircea_popescu;o hey look at that, ethereum actually up 2.5%.
1499405;1467982647;mircea_popescu;good investment.
1499406;1467982711;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller women, too, because fucking equalitards omit to mention to girls how they really can't keep up with dudes.
1499407;1467982736;mircea_popescu;sure nadja can keep up with me, but that's only because i suck ; she can't keep up with boris from her hometown.
1499408;1467983076;*;mircea_popescu lolz at the shitcoins. bitcoin cap 10bn, yest trade 1/4 bn (2.5%) ; ethereum "cap" 800mn, yest trade 11mn (1.2%) ; ripple "cap" 250mn (hey, recall when it was 1bn+, above ethereum ?), yest trade 500k (0.2%).
1499409;1467983079;mircea_popescu;a pattern emerges.
1499410;1467983213;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1499411;1467983214;gribble;Current Blocks: 419833 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1510 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 55 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1499412;1467983232;BingoBoingo;167 blocks till halving
1499413;1467983242;mircea_popescu;dun dun dun
1499414;1467983406;deedbot;[Qntra] Theranos CEO To Be Banned From Operating Lab - http://qntra.net/2016/07/theranos-ceo-to-be-banned-from-operating-lab/
1499415;1467984216;deedbot;[Qntra] Water Charity Maximizes Their Marketing On Paypal's Venmo - http://qntra.net/2016/07/water-charity-maximizes-their-marketing-on-paypals-venmo/
1499416;1467984301;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i dun get it, doesn't paypal charge like a buck or so fixed fee ?
1499417;1467984633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc there is a 'micropaypal' service, where they do not.
1499418;1467984705;BingoBoingo;Yeah and microchangetippal has social media integrations
1499419;1467984827;shinohai;Venmo always seemed = to changtip to me
1499420;1467984849;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499336 << if war were fought by straight meatsack headcount, this would be interesting observation.
1499421;1467984849;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 06:09 mircea_popescu: also re tiny : ro is 15% of ru or somesuch ; ru is 35% or so of eu or somesuch. tiny country is monaco, diff story. otherwise, germany's a third of brazil and saudi arabia a 15% of pakistan naimean ?
1499422;1467984871;BingoBoingo;venmo is basically a tool that puts a 1 cent price tag on spamming the shit out of anyone with a venmo coin client
1499423;1467984892;shinohai;kek
1499424;1467984911;shinohai;I forgot to tweet it at victoria
1499425;1467984914;shinohai;lol
1499426;1467984989;shinohai;i was thinking of writing a piece on welfarecoin, but it is in recycle bin atm
1499427;1467984997;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my point exactly.
1499428;1467985025;mircea_popescu;ru didn't stand up so well to ro army for most of war.
1499429;1467985032;mircea_popescu;pick any one of them.
1499430;1467985065;asciilifeform;i only recall 1 where there was a proper ro army
1499431;1467985093;mircea_popescu;which one is that ?
1499432;1467985098;asciilifeform;ww2
1499433;1467985124;mircea_popescu;mno, there's also that little one in the 1880s when tarevich wrote desperately to plox come to turkey and save our asses we're dying here.
1499434;1467985145;BingoBoingo;And what about Vlad's?
1499435;1467985156;mircea_popescu;and in ww1, there was proper ro army alright. there wasn't proper ru army, though, lenin's idea was to a) abandon the allies front and b) go "wee wee please don't beat us up mr european powers sir"
1499436;1467985172;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eh, pre 1800s the russians hadn't yet been invented in europe. was all polish.
1499437;1467985191;BingoBoingo;ic
1499438;1467985206;mircea_popescu;kinda went both ways, between the suceava and krakow courts.
1499439;1467985214;mircea_popescu;i think the poles prolly won by point count.
1499440;1467985233;mircea_popescu;course... there IS that epic tale of sobieski's siege of piatra neamt, anyone know it ?
1499441;1467985257;mircea_popescu;(aka kreuzburg an der bistritz)
1499442;1467985264;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: napoleon's army was demolished by poles?!
1499443;1467985269;asciilifeform;wat
1499444;1467985274;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform winter isn't an army.
1499445;1467985283;BingoBoingo;$b 3
1499446;1467985298;asciilifeform;winter is an area denial system.
1499447;1467985299;shinohai;lol
1499448;1467985312;asciilifeform;sorta like saying 'minefield isn't an army'
1499449;1467985330;mircea_popescu;quite so ya
1499450;1467985340;mircea_popescu;we were after all discussing headcounts not geographical features.
1499451;1467985353;asciilifeform;actually i was thinking of geographical features.
1499452;1467985364;mircea_popescu;in that sense russland uber alles, uber alles in der welt  wtf
1499453;1467985365;asciilifeform;(though for modern wars, minerals are of more interest than climate)
1499454;1467985369;mircea_popescu;~only barren place left.
1499455;1467985412;asciilifeform;you still gotta somebody ~there~ to mine the molybdenum, etc.
1499456;1467985478;mircea_popescu;hence the "2k people signed up for deportation" lulz yest.
1499457;1467985482;asciilifeform;likewise the locals gotta have some desire to fight for your crown, rather than for their local chieftain, (or even redditing instead)
1499458;1467985501;mircea_popescu;nah, local chieftain fighters will ALWAYS destroy darius.
1499459;1467985508;mircea_popescu;best way, fight for local chieftain.
1499460;1467985534;asciilifeform;this is a point.
1499461;1467985698;mircea_popescu;in fact thinking about it - the ro-ru bad blood starts with the revolutionary derps deserting the front. cela ne se fait pas.
1499462;1467985719;asciilifeform;what business did ru have on that front ?
1499463;1467985728;mircea_popescu;prior to that - very friendly. after that, and especially owing to stalin's low birth behaviours, hallucinating ownership over ro gold and ro bukovina, it went downhill.
1499464;1467985733;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they were there weren't they ?
1499465;1467985750;mircea_popescu;nobody asks you to come, but once you're there you leave once the show's done.
1499466;1467985781;asciilifeform;or when the idiot who put you there gets his rightful bullet, along with his whole family
1499467;1467985795;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1499468;1467985799;mircea_popescu;that's teh problem.
1499469;1467985819;mircea_popescu;point in case : if parents of useless redditard shoot him, they STILL owe on his college debt
1499470;1467985821;mircea_popescu;was in logs recently.
1499471;1467985857;asciilifeform;only because they haven't the firepower to make the dun-owe-no-moar stick.
1499472;1467985918;asciilifeform;and at any rate it is not very good example, didn't we learn that derp's mother was co-borrowing ?
1499473;1467985935;asciilifeform;you borrow, buy a horse, the horse dies, you still owe
1499474;1467985944;asciilifeform;ww1 is somewhat different case, the ~you~ died
1499475;1467985953;asciilifeform;and your horse goes where it wants.
1499476;1467986060;mircea_popescu;notrly how this works. if they were so high and mighty, should have shot him BEFORE he committed ~the country~
1499477;1467986074;mircea_popescu;once he did, it's committed, he did it as the legitimate representative at the time, his shit no matter how dumb is binding.
1499478;1467986094;asciilifeform;sorta how revolutions work tho - none of the dumb shit is binding.
1499479;1467986103;asciilifeform;unzip, piss, on debt, commitments, etc. of old king.
1499480;1467986108;mircea_popescu;otherwise this quickly becomes the greek argument, "we borrowed and spent but shouldn't have to repay because hey, new government!"
1499481;1467986129;asciilifeform;entente invaded, got arse handed to them.
1499482;1467986142;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly why i don't argue for "make america great again" but "burn it all down"
1499483;1467986149;asciilifeform;it would be interesting to see greeks invaded.
1499484;1467986165;mircea_popescu;hardly interesting. there's what, 10mn of them ? on a peninsula ?
1499485;1467986167;mircea_popescu;carnage.
1499486;1467986245;asciilifeform;greeks could still make a noteworthy mess - they have ships, perhaps could get hold of a few nukes, demolish eu ports
1499487;1467986256;mircea_popescu;ahaha ships.
1499488;1467986271;mircea_popescu;lol. you know how many unneeded ships there are today ?
1499489;1467986284;asciilifeform;i wasn't speaking of tonnage as such
1499490;1467986299;mircea_popescu;internet demolished books, then printing. cable caries many million mile-tons of substitute goods per second
1499491;1467986303;asciilifeform;but ships that move routinely, under various flags but gr ownership
1499492;1467986317;mircea_popescu;notrly greek in that sense. onassis is greek like i'm romanian.
1499493;1467986333;mircea_popescu;ie, something for the other greeks/romanians etc to ASPIRE to.
1499494;1467986361;mircea_popescu;certainly not a sort of meal ticket for the accursed lot.
1499495;1467986409;asciilifeform;one of the mega-mysteries in my mind re gr is wtf was the logic behind inviting them into eu in the first place
1499496;1467986421;mircea_popescu;you familiar with my theory ?
1499497;1467986428;asciilifeform;about the brits ?
1499498;1467986431;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1499499;1467986442;mircea_popescu;i see no other possible explanation.
1499500;1467986485;asciilifeform;turks are nato-aligned but were not drawn into eu
1499501;1467986489;mircea_popescu;country's basically the equivalent of shannen doherty. was hot briefly in its youth, by now it's a great way to pour money down the drain.
1499502;1467986537;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eu has a small penis. greeks are 10mn, turks 80. not to go into details of how lazy pretentious people fit much better, or into how they're also not much of a threat.
1499503;1467986599;asciilifeform;in that light, makes sense
1499504;1467986610;asciilifeform;they picked worthless lap dog instead of rottweiler
1499505;1467986624;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding they really needed the rotweiller ; and much better deal anyway
1499506;1467986644;asciilifeform;but omfg11!11111 the ~teeth~!!!1111
1499507;1467986651;mircea_popescu;but hey, "the eu is not so much a conglomerate with a very small penis as an agglomeration with a particularly large clit"
1499508;1467986696;mircea_popescu;and in other news, https://i.imgur.com/SDrJZ6n.jpg
1499509;1467986724;mircea_popescu;beetle therein depicted made it to 1yo! gets party butt-hat.
1499510;1467986732;asciilifeform;l0l!
1499511;1467986740;mircea_popescu;and aniversary banana slicecake
1499512;1467986750;asciilifeform;is that a kabuto-mushi ?
1499513;1467986775;mircea_popescu;seens wrong legs for that.
1499514;1467986787;asciilifeform;they do.
1499515;1467986806;mircea_popescu;seems more some sort of locanus
1499516;1467986809;mircea_popescu;lucanus*
1499517;1467987038;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499404 << what happened with the fork ?
1499518;1467987038;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 12:57 mircea_popescu: o hey look at that, ethereum actually up 2.5%.
1499519;1467987045;*;asciilifeform has not followed subj in real time
1499520;1467987056;mircea_popescu;they've got a solution
1499521;1467987076;mircea_popescu;i dunno, drama fountain, we kinda covered the basics, they just rehash, shanonize and markov the same stuff endlessly.
1499522;1467987113;asciilifeform;yeah but at some point they gotta pull trigger, no ?
1499523;1467987132;asciilifeform;(or not to pull, but at any rate to decide)
1499524;1467987133;mircea_popescu;i don';t recall when that was, they had like a week maybe ?
1499525;1467987140;asciilifeform;that was a week ago?
1499526;1467987146;mircea_popescu;nah two weeks a week ago
1499527;1467987159;*;mircea_popescu shuffles through reports to bottom of pile
1499528;1467987245;mircea_popescu;atm all hopes pinned on microsoft-sponsored "devcon" for the scamcoin. basically, mit can either get another usg agency involved or they're dropping it, they lost all they were gonna lose on it already.
1499529;1467987283;mircea_popescu;"This is why I love Ethereum. The main net is live for less than a year, yet tthis is the third big convention. " to quote the locals.
1499530;1467987461;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/vOYow << should be sufficient lulz to bridge you over for another week.
1499531;1467987484;mircea_popescu;gotta economize on the lulz, comedy goldmine running out of gold.
1499532;1467987524;asciilifeform;'One thing a lot of pro-fork people don't realize is that they're basically encouraging a very damaging form of speculation on the value of ETH. Because a hard fork promises to return ETH at a rate of < 100 DAO per ETH, it encourages people to buy up large amounts of DAO tokens at their current rates (> 100 DAO per ETH), and then actively advocate for the fork to happen. Last time I checked, this guarantees them a profit of > 30% (in
1499533;1467987524;asciilifeform; ETH, not necessarily BTC or fiat). The irony is it's the pro-fork people who tend to be the loudest voices calling their opponents "shills."'
1499534;1467987525;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1499535;1467987528;*;asciilifeform falls down.
1499536;1467987533;mircea_popescu;aww
1499537;1467987680;mircea_popescu;and speaking of purely academitarded wankatrons, "Glen Weyl has uploaded a new version of his paper, Quadratic Voting (written with Steven Lalley), to SSRN, which now includes the completed proofs. Quadratic voting is the most important idea for law and public policy that has emerged from economics in (at least) the last ten years.
1499538;1467987680;mircea_popescu;Quadratic voting is a procedure that a group of people can use to jointly choose a collective good for themselves. Each person can buy votes for or against a proposal by paying into a fund the square of the number of votes that he or she buys. The money is then returned to voters on a per capita basis. Weyl and Lalley prove that the collective decision rapidly approximates efficiency as the number of voters increases. By cont
1499539;1467987680;mircea_popescu;rast, no extant voting procedure is efficient. "
1499540;1467987685;mircea_popescu;sauce https://archive.is/sXWXH
1499541;1467987709;mircea_popescu;think about it alfie, if i want to buy a thousand votes i'm going to say so and pay a million, rather than talk to a thousand derps and pay them a cent each.
1499542;1467987786;mircea_popescu;it's like infants were locked in a tower somewhere and asked to imagine how the world could be.
1499543;1467987796;asciilifeform;sorta what happened, neh ?
1499544;1467987827;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1499545;1467987835;mircea_popescu;"One of the more interesting long-term practical benefits of the technology and concept behind decentralized autonomous organizations is that DAOs allow us to very quickly prototype and experiment with an aspect of our social interactions that is so far arguably falling behind our rapid advancements in information and social technology elsewhere: organizational governance. " << apud buterin, 2014.
1499546;1467987842;asciilifeform;also a case of 'cost paid by mircea_popescu to talk to a thousand derps to get their pennies is not a cost because we say so and shuddup terrorist'
1499547;1467987862;mircea_popescu;you know... it's social interaction that fell behind their redittardedly advancing technologee
1499548;1467987889;mircea_popescu;notrly teh other way around.
1499549;1467987934;mircea_popescu;but whatever, i have no expectation to explain to ustards that a classics education always beats a stem education. not in this life. the contrary nonsense's been derped too much, and they've never seen anyone with a classical education anyway.
1499550;1467988021;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: a classics education always beats a stem << this doesn't get undergrad children jobs in the US. interesting though, that having gotten a stem education, i feel extremely deprived of not having studied as many classics
1499551;1467988048;asciilifeform;you ~can't get either kind in usa
1499552;1467988080;thestringpuller;you can't get "marketing" STEM degree in USA. that is degree is more of advertisement for self, that bears no real meaning.
1499553;1467988087;asciilifeform;but you ~can~ pay 200k usd to derp about the great zimbabwe for 4 (5? 6?) years.
1499554;1467988104;thestringpuller;the actual education even if considered "top class" results in MIT graduates unable to light a bulb with battery + wire
1499555;1467988115;mircea_popescu;alf has it. you can not, for any sum of money, acquire a classics education in the english language today.
1499556;1467988123;mircea_popescu;was marginally possible in the 80s, but no more.
1499557;1467988152;asciilifeform;actual education, in usa, to the extent it can be had, is done by skipping class and hanging out among the dusty tomes, and illicit experiments in your cellar.
1499558;1467988153;thestringpuller;This is why an advisor with good intentions usually pushes students "with potential" to study abroad.
1499559;1467988162;thestringpuller;And usually why they get huge tuition cuts if they do.
1499560;1467988182;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can't really experiment with the other kind however ; an tomes lie. not by design but in effect.
1499561;1467988203;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i've never met a 'study abroad' type in usa who wasn't prestige-farming 'future student leaders!111' apparatchik candidate
1499562;1467988206;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller not sure where that abroad would be. damascus maybe.
1499563;1467988211;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: illicit experiments in your cellar. << What about a good teacher? Is the teacher extinct from a scholarly perspective.
1499564;1467988230;mircea_popescu;there is no us citizen alive today who is qualified to as much as teach latin.
1499565;1467988232;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: do you recall the professor brin thread ?
1499566;1467988245;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: not sure where that abroad would be. << the ones I would trust with money usually studied in China.
1499567;1467988256;mircea_popescu;i have nfi about china. who knows, maybe.
1499568;1467988266;mircea_popescu;though their classics give me hives.
1499569;1467988287;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i can't seem to find it in search
1499570;1467988293;thestringpuller;$professor brin
1499571;1467988297;mircea_popescu;lol
1499572;1467988300;thestringpuller;$search professor brin
1499573;1467988308;mircea_popescu;$s brin the elder
1499574;1467988308;a111;5 results for "brin the elder", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brin%20the%20elder
1499575;1467988319;thestringpuller;aha ty mircea_popescu
1499576;1467988364;asciilifeform;i suspect that the good teachers have been driven into drink, and retirement
1499577;1467988397;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499568 << how's that ?
1499578;1467988397;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 14:31 mircea_popescu: though their classics give me hives.
1499579;1467988499;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: so the fate full nodes are facing, is a similar fate good teachers face?
1499580;1467988521;thestringpuller;They are useful, but are not rewarded for their usefulness...how is this sustainable?
1499581;1467988581;asciilifeform;what does 'useful' mean in the absence of the raw material to work with ?
1499582;1467988606;thestringpuller;so lack of "useful students" is the sole problem?
1499583;1467988623;mircea_popescu;fucking "take moar oestrogen" confucius & "wanna hear our inept teenage boyish oneupmanships" zeo-dan derps.
1499584;1467988627;asciilifeform;what other problem could there possibly be?
1499585;1467988643;mircea_popescu;i mean zen-dao, whatevers
1499586;1467988662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the marginal refuse of the west picked up the derpiest chinese material
1499587;1467988665;asciilifeform;mega-surprise ?
1499588;1467988688;mircea_popescu;what can i say. perhaps.
1499589;1467988701;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: the same rationale behind why there is no "sane computer" thread. i.e. dumbness is institutionalized. so wouldn't useless students be merely a symptom of this?
1499590;1467988701;asciilifeform;this is why i was sad to see spandrel drummed out, he was potentially a window into the other things.
1499591;1467988704;mircea_popescu;nobody can know everything an' i dun know azns.
1499592;1467988712;mircea_popescu;he got drummed out ?
1499593;1467988718;asciilifeform;not precisely
1499594;1467988725;asciilifeform;but i'm not certain i would come back if i were him
1499595;1467988732;mircea_popescu;iirc it was more a case of "hey, i'm here to promote ; oh you're not really an audience ? ok, ima go promote down the street"
1499596;1467988743;mircea_popescu;which is fine and all, i mean waste of his life but what's that to me.
1499597;1467988752;mircea_popescu;(though you'd think he'd fucking know better if he were that window - neh ?)
1499598;1467988768;asciilifeform;translators are often humble folk.
1499599;1467988809;mircea_popescu;good translators ? without exception they're major actors in one, often both cultures.
1499600;1467988818;mircea_popescu;that's what translator means.
1499601;1467988818;asciilifeform;well we haven't any of those.
1499602;1467988825;mircea_popescu;and so my ignorance continues.
1499603;1467988893;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: re 'institutional' - every other year or so i visit the headquarters of the dept i graduated from, on foot, just because i live nearby and why the hell not. but lately it is almost a challenge to avoid barfing
1499604;1467988911;asciilifeform;at this point, folks with actual interest in the subject would last five seconds in the school.
1499605;1467989035;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wonder how much he makes out of selling books in 2016 for the love of lols.
1499606;1467989133;mircea_popescu;i could think of a more ridoinculous proposition but not readily.
1499607;1467989457;mircea_popescu;anyway, to formalize this, i figure there's people who're looking to take ; and people who're looking to give themselves away asciilifeform . tmsr is entirely and to some degree by design inadherent to the former. it may, maybe, work for short intervals, but not too likely, and certainly less likely over time. this results in a lot of butthurt, calling it a cult, whatever.
1499608;1467989494;mircea_popescu;but the invisible line that unites curtis yarvin, that "lesswrong" derp, spandrell fellow, the restaurant manager chick yesterday, and on and on an endless list of these, is specifically that they welded the head shut.
1499609;1467989504;mircea_popescu;"this is the code i'ma run, see how much of the world i can despoil on its basis"
1499610;1467989537;mircea_popescu;it's infantile, sure, and moreover they're pretty miserable at it. nevertheless, it's what they're doing, and there's no outside flippable switch to get them out of it.
1499611;1467989546;mircea_popescu;time, or more likely, the grave will straighten out this hunchback.
1499612;1467989621;mircea_popescu;and of course it's perfectly understandable, the whore has a whore's personality not because she's an evil harpy shrew but because it's the only way to survive at the bottom of the shit ocean : batten the damned hatches.
1499613;1467989675;mircea_popescu;somewhat relatedly, most people don't figure they have ANY authority. therein included, the authority to decide what to do with themselves at any point (gotta be in school in half hour! shiot im late for job interview! omg office hours!) or for that matter what to believe.
1499614;1467989704;mircea_popescu;these can't possibly participate in any sort of forum where actual people intercourse, simply because they've not what with.
1499615;1467990430;mircea_popescu;and in other rotherham lulz, https://www.rt.com/news/349784-german-migrants-assault-lie/
1499616;1467990461;mircea_popescu;some derpy chick by the name selin goren got raped by a bunch of arab immigrants, liked it, reported to police that she was robbed by a group of german men.
1499617;1467990749;mircea_popescu;oh also, http://www.nationalisti.ro/2016/07/sri-decis-sfarsit-sa-ne-spuna-la-digi-care-e-faza-cu-tancurile-americane-bai-frate-cu-300-de-tancuri-faci-razboi-nu-exercitii-militare/ << us armor moving through romania towards ukraine ; 500-1k pieces spotted, mostly heavy.
1499618;1467990762;trinque;"politically expedient" she says
1499619;1467990768;trinque;damn that's some honesty
1499620;1467990768;mircea_popescu;who ?
1499621;1467990773;trinque;the raped chick
1499622;1467990777;mircea_popescu;oh the german derp. myeah.
1499623;1467990785;mircea_popescu;hey, she knows how it goes.
1499624;1467990797;mircea_popescu;"rape" is a matter of who, not a matter of what.
1499625;1467990854;trinque;fascinates me how the ancient instincts wear whichever "politically expedient" mask is available in the times
1499626;1467990901;mircea_popescu;similarly fascinating, how women grew hair on head throughout the roman empire, showed up on coins with currently fashionable hairdo nevertheless ; or how they've had two tits and a slit for millenia yet always dressed in period dress everywherw!
1499627;1467990917;trinque;lol
1499628;1467991065;mircea_popescu;http://lucianisar.com/uncategorized/bnr-si-aurul-la-londra-cat-sa-iasa-de-o-ciunga/ << romania ships ~60 tons of gold to london. you know, for safekeeping. lolz.
1499629;1467991067;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1499630;1467991169;mircea_popescu;(it's something like a coupla billion worth, ie just enough to bridge britain through the brexit)
1499631;1467991238;deedbot;[Qntra] Dallas "Black Lives Matter" Sniper Killed In Drone Bombing - http://qntra.net/2016/07/dallas-black-lives-matter-sniper-killed-in-drone-bombing/
1499632;1467991247;mircea_popescu;is this first in us ?
1499633;1467991410;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/07/dallas-black-lives-matter-sniper-killed-in-drone-bombing/#comment-63414
1499634;1467991579;asciilifeform;lel 'spanish gold' never ends
1499635;1467991647;mircea_popescu;heh
1499636;1467991680;*;mircea_popescu is out of the loop, no idea what bnr might have gotten out of the deal.
1499637;1467991691;mircea_popescu;but the notion of helping the fucktarded brits is anathema, jesus f christ.
1499638;1467991723;asciilifeform;hey it isn't ro gold no moar, it is nato (usg) gold.
1499639;1467991753;asciilifeform;just as ro railroad is this thing that exists mainly to move nato tanks.
1499640;1467991767;asciilifeform;(otherwise would go to the same place as ro nuke institute)
1499641;1467991828;asciilifeform;'He added that while robots aren't typically designed to be armed — they're used for observation or dismantling purposes — law enforcement could decide to use bomb robots when officers are in immediate danger.'
1499642;1467991844;asciilifeform;afaik no u.s. police precinct Officially issues frags.
1499643;1467991861;mircea_popescu;heh
1499644;1467991895;asciilifeform;then again, last month we learned that they issue demo charges.
1499645;1467991903;asciilifeform;(how many popped in orlando - five ?)
1499646;1467991924;mircea_popescu;you mean the ones the terrorist blew up ?
1499647;1467991938;asciilifeform;lel
1499648;1467992026;asciilifeform;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cm2TgDEW8AIOQus.jpg:large << purported bot.
1499649;1467992156;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Is that a different one than your shotgun bot from the South St Louis standoff?
1499650;1467992166;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: looks rather different
1499651;1467992184;BingoBoingo;Ah
1499652;1467992203;asciilifeform;http://www.popsci.com/police-used-bomb-disposal-robot-to-kill-dallas-shooting-suspect?src=SOC&dom=tw << according to volkischer beobachter, the machine includes bomblets for setting off suspected bomb
1499653;1467992273;asciilifeform;http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/Remotec/Products/Pages/F6B.aspx << vendor.
1499654;1467992285;asciilifeform;'Dual accessory mounts on arm allow simultaneous, multiple weapon/sensor deployment.'
1499655;1467992301;asciilifeform;general-purpose killbot.
1499656;1467992331;mircea_popescu;looks pretty cheaply made, al/composite. more of the same "we can attack very well and defend nothing at all" technologees ?
1499657;1467992336;asciilifeform;oblig: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072975
1499658;1467992336;a111;Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: expect this kind of policing to become sop
1499659;1467992342;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072976
1499660;1467992342;a111;Logged on 2015-03-26 20:42 asciilifeform: that is, heavily-armoured box shows up with puppeteer, who controls (via radio or fiber) several deathbots
1499661;1467992348;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 .
1499662;1467992348;a111;Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
1499663;1467992444;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how much difference would it make if it were made of the finest titanium ?
1499664;1467992458;asciilifeform;thing is not a tank, is a disposable unmanned toy
1499665;1467992475;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://www.historia.ro/sites/default/files/styles/article_main_image/public/3_233.jpg << fashion at the time being to dress the chicks in "popular costume". because hey, womenz, and what woman doesn't love to be secretly humiliated.
1499666;1467992498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in virtually all encounters, the "toy" costs more than the intended victims.
1499667;1467992515;asciilifeform;this is nearly always true
1499668;1467992523;mircea_popescu;moreover your own quote says "heavily armoured"
1499669;1467992524;asciilifeform;very few folks in usa are 'worth' the bullet
1499670;1467992531;mircea_popescu;that shit's rv-plane level armored.
1499671;1467992535;asciilifeform;idea is to 'discourage the others'
1499672;1467992550;mircea_popescu;by spending more than they're worth ?
1499673;1467992562;mircea_popescu;brb gonna shoot ants with molasses. it'll show em!
1499674;1467992584;asciilifeform;there is no organized resistance in usa.
1499675;1467992593;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1499676;1467992603;asciilifeform;(masses of idiots, herded by provocateurs, notwithstanding)
1499677;1467992620;asciilifeform;and against disorganized bulls, robot worx great.
1499678;1467992632;asciilifeform;cheaper than half dozen dead cops.
1499679;1467992638;mircea_popescu;this will continue for as long as there exists no -ev peons in the us. for as long as the govt can pay and pay and pay, it works.
1499680;1467992645;mircea_popescu;once people gotta forage their own food, things change.
1499681;1467992716;mircea_popescu;for now, there's 60tons of ro gold. like you know, during trajan, exactly.
1499682;1467992728;asciilifeform;for so long as http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495476 continues, 'business as usual'
1499683;1467992728;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 02:16 asciilifeform: https://i.imgsafe.org/87582032d9.jpg << moar tuna than you will ever see in one place.
1499684;1467992730;mircea_popescu;except... there's not another 60, not that another 60 would be enough next time.
1499685;1467992745;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you should look at ocean population data sometime.
1499686;1467992751;mircea_popescu;i do not believe any of your children will ever eat fish.
1499687;1467992774;asciilifeform;dunno that most folks in usa ever eat ~oceanic~ fish even now.
1499688;1467992787;asciilifeform;they eat ~tasteless vat-grown.
1499689;1467992789;mircea_popescu;river tuna ?
1499690;1467992811;asciilifeform;tuna might be the last wild-caught thing.
1499691;1467992821;asciilifeform;how much heavy metal, by now, per kg ?
1499692;1467992821;mircea_popescu;but it was the example!
1499693;1467992823;mircea_popescu;also, sardine.
1499694;1467992830;mircea_popescu;not that much, shockingly.
1499695;1467992844;mircea_popescu;i mean, more than in 1016, but not as much as projected in 1976
1499696;1467992926;mircea_popescu;anyway. the untold story of the us "we can't defend, we attack" thing is evident in the history of medieval castle warfare. at the time, war was heavily defensive, there was ~no effectual way to attack whatsoever.
1499697;1467992954;mircea_popescu;so building a castle was ~the only practical way to prepare for war. except as the kings successfuly found out, a defensive item defends whoever's there, not whoever built it.
1499698;1467992989;mircea_popescu;usg nightmare scenario is exactly this, highly defensive "everything's a fortress and with gun ports" bourgeois restructuring of the town.
1499699;1467993016;mircea_popescu;which is why if you build, build on reinforced concrete not on fucking vinyl etc.
1499700;1467993068;asciilifeform;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/police_robot_burns_down_house/?mt=1467993035014 << somehow i missed this gem.
1499701;1467993118;BingoBoingo;In other news all is right with the world again as I have new cordless drill.
1499702;1467993128;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lol cordless
1499703;1467993135;asciilifeform;i thought BingoBoingo was moving to 19th c. hand tools
1499704;1467993140;asciilifeform;(or at least 'hole hawg')
1499705;1467993149;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Also have corded and the hand powered kind of cordless
1499706;1467993170;BingoBoingo;But li-ion has its place by being convenient
1499707;1467993201;BingoBoingo;Do wish for adapter to cord it to lead acid battery terminal though.
1499708;1467993214;BingoBoingo;Perhaps will solicit several months after halving
1499709;1467993249;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where in usa, exactly, are folks building 'highly defensive "everything's a fortress and with gun ports" bourgeois restructuring' ?
1499710;1467993272;mircea_popescu;nowhere today, no. i was discussing the baricadable paris of 1700/1800
1499711;1467993283;BingoBoingo;Anyways new drill's chicom makers were sufficiently polite so as to let me be the one to break in the motor's brushes. Was very sparky out of the box, tamer now.
1499712;1467993295;asciilifeform;which, notably, was effective lesson to future 'beoble's republics' as to how not to build city.
1499713;1467993301;mircea_popescu;aha.
1499714;1467993309;asciilifeform;EVERY major city today is defined by the turning radius of a tank.
1499715;1467993338;asciilifeform;it is one of those 'libraries' that ~every~ state #includes.
1499716;1467993345;mircea_popescu;anyway, the problem with defensive means is that they empower the individual. state wants offensive means, and if possible to fight all wars against strictly offensive forces.
1499717;1467993373;asciilifeform;recall the land mines thread ?
1499718;1467993381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, a model republican city built specifically on anti-socialist-state principles would be interesting
1499719;1467993384;asciilifeform;why do you suppose the 'internashinl komyoooooniti' campaigns against mines ?
1499720;1467993389;asciilifeform;they are the poor man's soldier.
1499721;1467993393;mircea_popescu;pity tmsr doesn't currently include an architect.
1499722;1467993402;asciilifeform;or a nuke deterrent.
1499723;1467993402;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1499724;1467993410;BingoBoingo;IN defensive news StL and apparently other deparments today began mandating wearing of their kevlar vests, optional before
1499725;1467993436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that they only campaign against mines ON LAND
1499726;1467993439;mircea_popescu;in the sea they're fine.
1499727;1467993463;asciilifeform;a crypto-toggled mine would be a fine thing.
1499728;1467993494;asciilifeform;'in my wot? go, walk.'
1499729;1467993561;mircea_popescu;anyway ; the us "survivalist" folks have the right idea, even if they don't understand the higher level considerations necessarily. "if you're going to build, build a bunker"
1499730;1467993578;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was kinda thinking, back in 2013, that who knows by 2020 nsa could be making that.
1499731;1467993584;mircea_popescu;by now... i don't hope i'll live to see it.
1499732;1467993693;asciilifeform;it is a pretty obvious, imho, idea.
1499733;1467993703;asciilifeform;the next me will make it, or the third, or fourth.
1499734;1467993764;asciilifeform;i will point out the possibly non-obvious aspect, here, for future reference:
1499735;1467993769;asciilifeform;you don't want a radio receiver in them.
1499736;1467993784;asciilifeform;it is the obvious, screaming way to do the crypto comms, but entirely and catastrophically wrong.
1499737;1467993797;asciilifeform;if you have radio, receiver can be overloaded and fried
1499738;1467993811;asciilifeform;and at any rate, cannot be shielded and will thus be pickable up with nonlinear junction detector.
1499739;1467993818;asciilifeform;you want ~acoustic~ control.
1499740;1467993826;asciilifeform;as in sonobuoys.
1499741;1467993851;asciilifeform;only gotta send a few kB, and who gives a fuck if it takes half an hour.
1499742;1467993905;asciilifeform;transmit using 'thumper', as seen in 'dune' (and every pipe-laying crew on earth)
1499743;1467993979;asciilifeform;the main difficulty is, in getting the mechanism to be 100% reliable.
1499744;1467993990;asciilifeform;because if it isn't, or if enemy can somehow compromise its reliability...
1499745;1467994001;trinque;yeah, I don't see a great way of confirming back that it's disarmed
1499746;1467994005;asciilifeform;it is the obvious reason why - afaik - no modern army fields crypto mines.
1499747;1467994073;asciilifeform;they, however, WILL work, for a medieval-style 'no you are not precious snowflake and guess what, your grenade during training has 5% chance of killing you and stfu' army.
1499748;1467994077;asciilifeform;of the near future.
1499749;1467994089;asciilifeform;so crypto mine has 5% chance of not hearing disarm signal. so wat.
1499750;1467994110;asciilifeform;e.g., many ww2 engagements, had substantially > than that friendly fire casualty rate.
1499751;1467994146;asciilifeform;so stalin loses 5% of men on his own cryptofield, but hitler loses 95.
1499752;1467994176;asciilifeform;so the search for mythical '100% reliable' mine is a distration. and a useful one, because it keeps usg from deploying the thing.
1499753;1467994184;trinque;any signaling of "off" gives up the position of the mines
1499754;1467994194;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1499755;1467994249;trinque;suppose you could spread out antenna in the dirt though, such that it's imprecise
1499756;1467994249;asciilifeform;mines with acoustic sensors could do many spiffy things. such as... ~encircling~ the enemy.
1499757;1467994260;asciilifeform;(let him pass in, but not out, of cauldron)
1499758;1467994273;asciilifeform;trinque: no antennae. see above.
1499759;1467994274;trinque;or have a preference for large prey, yep
1499760;1467994285;asciilifeform;'large prey' was already baked in ww2, tank mines
1499761;1467994290;asciilifeform;low-tech thing.
1499762;1467994311;asciilifeform;there are already mines that let N tanks pass before triggering, it is very old idea.
1499763;1467994322;mircea_popescu;incidentally, speaking of "keeps us from exploring", isn't it funny how abandoned special concretes are today ? the VERY related field of special ceramics gets all the love. because obviously, the earlier linked robot.
1499764;1467994327;*;asciilifeform long-time aficionado of subj
1499765;1467994338;mircea_popescu;but think for a moment... what'd a nylon mesh do for concrete ? what'd graphite strucutre ? etc.
1499766;1467994344;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or even pykrete.
1499767;1467994353;asciilifeform;scarcely gets cheaper than pykrete.
1499768;1467994362;mircea_popescu;considering what the current ships are like, pykrete's a much better alternative.
1499769;1467994363;asciilifeform;(virtually indestructible)
1499770;1467994409;asciilifeform;when i first learned of pykrete, i had the obvious idea
1499771;1467994439;asciilifeform;(that you could 'print' it underwater, using a moving print head, liquid N2 jet and pipe for water/sawdust slurry)
1499772;1467994452;asciilifeform;instant boat.
1499773;1467994456;asciilifeform;or fort. etc
1499774;1467994465;mircea_popescu;we leave this for ben_vulpes 's robot miner army.
1499775;1467994482;asciilifeform;the inevitable n-th army.
1499776;1467994608;asciilifeform;'Нас много, всех не перевешаете.' (tm) (r)
1499777;1467994651;asciilifeform;to round off the thread,
1499778;1467994658;asciilifeform;one obvious way to have crypto-mines with NO comms,
1499779;1467994665;asciilifeform;is timed gaps.
1499780;1467994681;asciilifeform;if you have the key, you know which half hour the field is passable in, per week.
1499781;1467994686;asciilifeform;if not - not.
1499782;1467994696;mircea_popescu;t&e delivers same result
1499783;1467994706;asciilifeform;t&e ?
1499784;1467994711;mircea_popescu;trial and error
1499785;1467994730;asciilifeform;you mean, mine-clearing using prisoners (or sheep etc) ?
1499786;1467994733;asciilifeform;worx on all mines
1499787;1467994753;asciilifeform;nothing you can do about it.
1499788;1467994777;asciilifeform;(definitionally - mine can only go off once...)
1499789;1467994819;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, not a very good scheme.
1499790;1467994827;asciilifeform;as to what's to keep enemy from using up 1 captive to test - this is what the 'encircle' program is for.
1499791;1467994836;asciilifeform;none go off until the field senses 10,001 foot steps.
1499792;1467994847;asciilifeform;'entry is a buck, exit - costs 2.' (tm)
1499793;1467994892;asciilifeform;scheme has obvious down sides but i can see cases where it wins.
1499794;1467994906;mircea_popescu;well sure, everything has cases where it wins.
1499795;1467995058;asciilifeform;'President Barack Obama, who was in Warsaw for a NATO meeting, said the U.S. was "horrified" by the "vicious, callous and despicable attack."' << gold.
1499796;1467995071;mircea_popescu;in texas ?!
1499797;1467995085;mircea_popescu;i thought he had to order drone strikes
1499798;1467995094;asciilifeform;nope
1499799;1467995102;asciilifeform;only against camel-fuckers
1499800;1467995114;mircea_popescu;that great-again is getting better and better!
1499801;1467995147;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo proposed alternative terminology for the us : "The Great Great-Again", GGA.
1499802;1467995170;asciilifeform;http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_27/1611836/ss-160708-dallas-police-shooting-04_40853e7282ab7e261e2f1662efde0027.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg << great again !
1499803;1467995198;asciilifeform;http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_27/1611816/ss-160708-dallas-police-shooting-08_40853e7282ab7e261e2f1662efde0027.nbcnews-ux-1024-900.jpg << love the face
1499804;1467995203;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'll let you do a piece to introduce the term. Need to be very clear on applications so context is needed.
1499805;1467995296;asciilifeform;and the inevitable: '"When people are armed with powerful weapons, unfortunately it makes attacks like these more deadly and tragic," Obama told a press conference during a trip to Poland. "In the days ahead we're going to have to consider those realities."' (obummer)
1499806;1467995475;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo maybe we let it mature a little first.
1499807;1467995496;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how about taking away ALL weapons from ALL usg-paid ANYONE.
1499808;1467995501;mircea_popescu;no more us army, no more us police, nothing.
1499809;1467995524;mircea_popescu;"if you work for the government, in any capacity, you're slave not a citizen. pick up a shovel and make yourself useful. bitch."
1499810;1467995562;asciilifeform;lel go an' take.
1499811;1467995572;mircea_popescu;i imagine that's what he meant to say, right ? it'd clearly make "attacks like these" much less deadly.
1499812;1467995572;asciilifeform;'how about taking away all weapons from wehrmacht'
1499813;1467995611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform last i checked they still buy them with dollars. those can be taken anyway from them as well as from anyone.
1499814;1467995611;asciilifeform;just as usg corruption ain't 'corruption', usg weapons are... 'peace sticks' or somesuch.
1499815;1467995623;mircea_popescu;heh. in their dreamzzz.
1499816;1467995625;asciilifeform;they dun 'buy' any more than hitler did.
1499817;1467995685;asciilifeform;i heard that things might be a little different on mircea_popescu's planet, but on the one where i live, it is usg who does the givin' and the takin'.
1499818;1467995720;mircea_popescu;and in some households the woman is doing the talkin'.
1499819;1467995760;asciilifeform;what can i say, wake me up when mircea_popescu shows up to disarm the ss.
1499820;1467995768;mircea_popescu;you plan to sleep till then ?
1499821;1467995813;asciilifeform;not exactly. but do wake me up !111
1499822;1467995823;mircea_popescu;kay >)
1499823;1467995844;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo maybe we let it mature a little first. << Prolly for the best. Meme'ing isn't drilling, there's no room to play with 12 volts of conveniece because unlike drill needs to last.
1499824;1467995934;BingoBoingo;Anyways, the made in USA vs china problem in a nutshell http://toolguyd.com/empire-e2g-e70-level/
1499825;1467995963;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: speaking of workshops, i finally scored a (smallish) cnc mill. but it will need new motor.
1499826;1467995969;BingoBoingo;;tldr "Made in USA" to the extent in continues does so for feels in weird
1499827;1467995972;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sweet
1499828;1467996009;asciilifeform;dafuq is 'true blue liquid' ??
1499829;1467996074;BingoBoingo;Basically level solution, but different color because branding.
1499830;1467996080;asciilifeform;lol
1499831;1467996090;BingoBoingo;Or perhaps different alcohol
1499832;1467996101;asciilifeform;and it matters because...?
1499833;1467996130;BingoBoingo;Because made in USA because if made in China factories would sell "brand's" products without letting brand know.
1499834;1467996144;asciilifeform;i have a sledge hammer. it is 'made in usa!11'
1499835;1467996146;BingoBoingo;This is a form of weird known as "trade dress"
1499836;1467996150;BingoBoingo;lol
1499837;1467996150;asciilifeform;approx the tech level available here
1499838;1467996157;asciilifeform;for less than golden toilet price, anyway.
1499839;1467996190;asciilifeform;if you want so much as a radio made in usa, you have to buy from grumman and it will cost its weight in pu.
1499840;1467996194;BingoBoingo;Hey my rubber hose circa this week also made in USA. Slightly higher tech
1499841;1467996211;asciilifeform;probably made from corn.
1499842;1467996213;asciilifeform;somehow.
1499843;1467996265;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'trade dress' << do you recall the incident where fluke corp. had a party of chinese voltmeters confiscated and burned at a customs checkpoint ? FOR BEING YELLOW ??
1499844;1467996266;BingoBoingo;Maybe corn has a latex in the stalk?
1499845;1467996276;BingoBoingo;lol yeah
1499846;1467996300;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-22#574779 << see also.
1499847;1467996300;a111;Logged on 2014-03-22 17:53 asciilifeform: the next day, they 'apologized' by... supplying a crate of free fluke meters to the victim
1499848;1467996366;BingoBoingo;Not that power tools this is actually less issue because TTI makes nearly everything and is chicom.
1499849;1467996414;BingoBoingo;Well, stanley black and decker company has problems prolly, but... exist now as ghostly AMD to TTI's intel
1499850;1467996440;BingoBoingo;(german concerns like festool dun count because "apple-icized"
1499851;1467996502;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/751424255934361602 << lel. we've seen this play before.
1499852;1467996575;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the interesting bit is that i routinely see all-iron, heavy, electric drills etc. at yard sales, circa 1940s-50s. they still work.
1499853;1467996584;asciilifeform;and will still work in 2050s if kept reasonably oiled.
1499854;1467996592;asciilifeform;forget about the chinese rubbish.
1499855;1467996621;asciilifeform;if you learn to rebuild motor windings, yer grandchildrenz will drill with the same drill.
1499856;1467996668;asciilifeform;just like partizans fighting ukrs are using ww2 weapons now.
1499857;1467996670;asciilifeform;they work.
1499858;1467996681;asciilifeform;(there are even reports of 'maxim' from ww1! in use.)
1499859;1467996690;asciilifeform;take care of yours toolz, they will take care of you.
1499860;1467996840;asciilifeform;http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/attachments/f12/3138-old-power-tool-recommendations-b-ddrill.jpg << example.
1499861;1467996842;asciilifeform;0 plastic.
1499862;1467996868;asciilifeform;^ much more convenient grip than modern examples. why was it abandoned ?
1499863;1467996881;asciilifeform;spade handle points the thing more or less where you point your hand.
1499864;1467996913;asciilifeform;and that motor! easily 1/2 horse.
1499865;1467996995;asciilifeform;i am still waiting for some satisfactory answer re why this went away.
1499866;1467997295;mircea_popescu;i think i had one of those
1499867;1467997308;asciilifeform;everybody had one of these.
1499868;1467997309;asciilifeform;at some point.
1499869;1467997316;asciilifeform;ru folks still, i suspect, have theirs
1499870;1467997321;mircea_popescu;complete with imbibed-textile power cord
1499871;1467997324;asciilifeform;aha.
1499872;1467997327;mircea_popescu;no plastics that'd work at that time
1499873;1467997328;asciilifeform;what other cord in '40s!1!
1499874;1467997331;mircea_popescu;so it was basically tarred linen
1499875;1467997354;asciilifeform;just as in edison's time.
1499876;1467997369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly it looks like one of those items where they make 1mn of each part then send in the gurlz to fish for matching sets.
1499877;1467997391;asciilifeform;tolerance is not so low that you cannot match arbitrary set.
1499878;1467997410;mircea_popescu;guess not.
1499879;1467997413;mircea_popescu;louder engine maybe
1499880;1467997413;asciilifeform;these are not american rifles.
1499881;1467997426;asciilifeform;where you have to match to 0.1% or whatever.
1499882;1467997479;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i really hate drills that don't apply the brake when i release the trigger
1499883;1467997493;asciilifeform;brake?!
1499884;1467997507;ben_vulpes;stops the drill action?
1499885;1467997512;*;ben_vulpes has nfi how it actually works
1499886;1467997530;asciilifeform;probably disconnects the motor winding from mains, and shorts it
1499887;1467997533;asciilifeform;but why would i want this.
1499888;1467997577;ben_vulpes;to avoid driving the screw too far into whatever.
1499889;1467997592;ben_vulpes;wide wide world of materials.
1499890;1467997593;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes drives screws with a drill?!
1499891;1467997606;ben_vulpes;my drill does both quite handily.
1499892;1467997616;ben_vulpes;2006 18V ryobi.
1499893;1467997618;asciilifeform;does your hammer also drive screws, ben_vulpes  ?
1499894;1467997634;asciilifeform;how about rifle ? you have screw-driver bayonet attachment ?
1499895;1467997641;ben_vulpes;let me say then that my screw gun drills holes.
1499896;1467997652;ben_vulpes;i also have one of the 40s monsters!
1499897;1467997658;ben_vulpes;just infrequently used.
1499898;1467997682;ben_vulpes;excellent for sinking a million holes. less useful for sinking holes and immediately filling them with screws.
1499899;1467997779;mircea_popescu;he has a point ; 1940s tools not nearly as flexible.
1499900;1467997799;asciilifeform;'flexible' is for the birds. use the tool for the job.
1499901;1467997806;ben_vulpes;flexible can be fragile
1499902;1467997820;asciilifeform;drill for drilling, screw gun for screwing, etc
1499903;1467997821;ben_vulpes;stuff and nonsense. tool is electrical motor and electricity.
1499904;1467997827;mircea_popescu;flexbile can be fragile. then again your skin's not made of treebark.
1499905;1467997844;ben_vulpes;and the job is sometimes not simply sinking holes.
1499906;1467997886;mircea_popescu;kinda looking forward to the obvious application of usg drone depicted supra
1499907;1467997894;asciilifeform;1940s works, built by inflexible people with inflexible toolz, are still standing. and quite valuable.
1499908;1467997903;mircea_popescu;which is the garage bot. follows you around and does things. like make holes. with the right tool for job.
1499909;1467997914;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: neither you nor i live in their works.
1499910;1467997925;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: because valuable.
1499911;1467997930;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Bitcoin Life Insurance policy. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/the-bitcoin-life-insurance-policy/
1499912;1467997941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, i bet, lives in their worx.
1499913;1467997982;ben_vulpes;part of my job is not accidentally ripping the vinyl apart with 1940s tools
1499914;1467997995;asciilifeform;vinyl?!
1499915;1467997999;ben_vulpes;because then hole in rental environmental envelope, pissed off landlord, and no shelf!
1499916;1467998006;ben_vulpes;metaphorical vinyl!
1499917;1467998013;ben_vulpes;i'm not living in my domes yet.
1499918;1467998042;asciilifeform;i thought ben_vulpes finally bought log cabin
1499919;1467998051;ben_vulpes;rented, vinyl cabin in forest.
1499920;1467998054;asciilifeform;ah
1499921;1467998059;ben_vulpes;vinyl, perhaps a bit mean-spirited.
1499922;1467998062;asciilifeform;i suppose that's why it looks so clean
1499923;1467998065;asciilifeform;in the woman's pic
1499924;1467998077;ben_vulpes;it is a lovely little cottage.
1499925;1467998086;ben_vulpes;the pinterests? i don't think any of that is oc
1499926;1467998107;asciilifeform;there was some log cabin thing.
1499927;1467998134;ben_vulpes;not mine, and the ancestral mountain home is not 'log' either.
1499928;1467998459;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> and will still work in 2050s if kept reasonably oiled. << But sometime you just gotta go places disposable makes sense. Like outside. If disposable can go outside no reason to risk srs machine.
1499929;1467998479;mats;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2520753/Chinese-boyfriend-jumped-death-girlfriend-insisted-going-clothes-shop.html
1499930;1467998548;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> brake?! << common now in disposables. Also common: screwdriving clutch
1499931;1467998581;asciilifeform;screw gun, with 25:1 gearing, needs no stinkin' brake
1499932;1467998605;asciilifeform;mats: darwinalicious.
1499933;1467998633;*;BingoBoingo supposes asciilifeform is unfamiliar with "cordless impact driver (distinct from hammer drill).
1499934;1467998664;mats;i chuckled for about thirty seconds
1499935;1467998712;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there was a thread about it
1499936;1467998716;asciilifeform;but no, i dun have one
1499937;1467998927;BingoBoingo;Seems to be the specialized tool for driving lag bolts atm.
1499938;1467999049;BingoBoingo;$google oscillating multitool
1499939;1467999050;deedbot;http://www.homedepot.com/b/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Power-Multi-Tools-Oscillating-Tools/N-5yc1vZc2b2 << Oscillating Tools - Power Multi Tools - Power Tools - The Home Depot | http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/interior-projects/how-to/g1763/the-best-oscillating-tools-we-put-9-to-the-test/ << The Best Oscillating Tools: We Put 9 to the Test | http://www.woodmagazine.com/woodworking-tools/reviews/more/oscillating-multi-tools << Tool review: Oscillating
1499940;1467999079;asciilifeform;http://pics2.ds-static.com/prodimg/169035/300.jpg << oscillating multi-tool.
1499941;1467999121;BingoBoingo;lol
1499942;1467999132;BingoBoingo;$up lru
1499943;1467999133;deedbot;lru voiced for 30 minutes.
1499944;1467999150;asciilifeform;who might you be, lru ?
1499945;1467999165;*;BingoBoingo doesn't know why that get dubbed "multitool" and still more versatile reciprocating saw doesn't
1499946;1467999191;asciilifeform;https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--T_jqeJWb--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/18iyzhe2e0lndpng.png << reciprocating multi-tool.
1499947;1467999208;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Indeed very versatile
1499948;1467999224;BingoBoingo;Shame the despot doesn't yet stock fucking blades for them.
1499949;1467999237;asciilifeform;btw i recall a report of an idiot who made one of these ~with the saw blade in~
1499950;1467999242;asciilifeform;it sawed through.
1499951;1467999270;BingoBoingo;Yes
1499952;1467999287;BingoBoingo;But not like rectovaginal fistula is a rare thing
1499953;1467999303;mircea_popescu;i never saw one.
1499954;1467999326;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, we now learn, doesn't fuck african chix with botched declitorations.
1499955;1467999348;mircea_popescu;that doesn't normally yield perineum perforation does it ?
1499956;1467999354;asciilifeform;iirc it does
1499957;1467999356;asciilifeform;when they birth
1499958;1467999359;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Tis a problem mostly related to birthing
1499959;1467999369;asciilifeform;the ones that got stapled shut earlier
1499960;1467999416;mircea_popescu;ah.
1499961;1467999423;mircea_popescu;no, i've not had children!
1499962;1467999426;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had spiffy essay at one point re how places that REALLY can't afford high birth rate, mutilate chix
1499963;1467999460;asciilifeform;(when calories are so scarce that they can't even afford birth-and-throw-to-the-snakes birthcontrol)
1499964;1467999567;asciilifeform;http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-joe-walsh-twitter-dallas-tweet-20160708-story.html << moar lulz.
1499965;1467999589;asciilifeform;'Former Illinois Congressman Joe Walsh declared "This is now war" and called for President Barack Obama to "watch out" in a Twitter post reacting to the Dallas shooting that killed five police officers and injured seven. "This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you," he wrote in the tweet, which has since been deleted.'
1499966;1467999625;BingoBoingo;I believe the term being bandied around is "RAHOWA"
1499967;1467999653;asciilifeform;'"There's a war against our cops in this country, and I think Obama has fed that war and Black Lives Matter has fed that war. ... Obama's words and the deeds of Black Lives Matter have gotten cops in this country killed."'
1499968;1467999668;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wats that
1499969;1467999669;mircea_popescu;where was that mp line saying black people are going to end up in death camps, purely demographic reasons ?
1499970;1467999685;BingoBoingo;$google RAHOWA
1499971;1467999685;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahowa_(band) << Rahowa (band) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RAHOWA << Urban Dictionary: RAHOWA | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RaHoWa << RaHoWa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1499972;1467999689;asciilifeform;it would have to be atzlan's death camps.
1499973;1467999704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform weimar republic liked jews ; didn't help them.
1499974;1467999705;asciilifeform;because sure as hell won't be ones run by white folk.
1499975;1467999709;mircea_popescu;oya.
1499976;1467999721;BingoBoingo;$google Ben Klassen
1499977;1467999722;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Klassen << Ben Klassen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggnACwSIXPs << Ben Klassen PM on Race & Reason - Part 1 of 3 - YouTube | http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Ben_Klassen << Ben Klassen - Metapedia
1499978;1467999742;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1499979;1467999744;gribble;Current Blocks: 419860 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1483 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, 27 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1499980;1467999744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us.
1499981;1467999747;mircea_popescu;gotta get out.
1499982;1467999751;asciilifeform;'In addition to his religious and political work, Klassen was an electrical engineer and was the inventor of a wall-mounted electric can-opener.' << lulzy
1499983;1467999760;BingoBoingo;140 blocks left till halving
1499984;1467999793;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's a foregone conclusion at this point. most dangerous place in the world for black person is the continental us. << cc: thestringpuller
1499985;1467999807;mircea_popescu;poor guy heh.
1499986;1467999864;BingoBoingo;srsly
1499987;1467999950;BingoBoingo;But yeah this collective responsibility business seems to be primed to turn back around.
1499988;1467999967;mircea_popescu;"jews got all the media", recall that one ?
1499989;1467999978;BingoBoingo;mebbe?
1499990;1467999978;mircea_popescu;"jews are fundamentally cowardly and organically insolent", recall ?
1499991;1467999990;BingoBoingo;hmmm...
1499992;1467999992;mircea_popescu;"jews are libidinous beasts!!11 fuxing our womenz!!1"
1499993;1467999994;mircea_popescu;etc etc
1499994;1468000007;BingoBoingo;is this a new thing?
1499995;1468000018;mircea_popescu;no, it's the same old thing. the birth of a scapegoat.
1499996;1468000027;mircea_popescu;make america great again!
1499997;1468000032;*;BingoBoingo confused about libidinous jew stereotype
1499998;1468000108;asciilifeform;;;halfreward
1499999;1468000109;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sat Jul  9 17:07:52 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 23 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1500000;1468000166;mircea_popescu;http://henrymakow.com/upload_images/Fat-Evil-Jew-Seduces-a-Good-German-Woman-with-his-Material-Wares.jpg << no shortage of the stuff.
1500001;1468000219;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487592 << for aficionados.
1500002;1468000219;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 22:46 asciilifeform: http://www.pzg.biz/poster_poison_mushroom.htm << for n00bz.
1500003;1468000405;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Sure that's a jew hat thing and not a hamplanet hate thing?
1500004;1468000511;deedbot;[Trilema] O hey, is it November yet ? - http://trilema.com/2016/o-hey-is-it-november-yet/
1500005;1468000565;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo there's lots of these http://blacksimpregnatewhites.tumblr.com/ type fantasies ; mostly entirely run by white dudes.
1500006;1468000598;BingoBoingo;Oh yeah, but seriously Jews? The people so brow beaten by their women?
1500007;1468000613;BingoBoingo;I thought their stereotype was more as a sort of castrati
1500008;1468000613;mircea_popescu;hey, there's absolutely no limit to what may figure in a fantasy.
1500009;1468000644;mircea_popescu;the average german dude in 1936 believed jews to be in general fucking teenaged german girls by the boatload much like you believe black dudes have big cocks
1500010;1468000686;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you think this because the lafond image (niggers=cowards) prevailed by virtue of you know, the gas chambers. but historically it was not a widely held view.
1500011;1468003799;mod6;<@deedbot> [Trilema] O hey, is it November yet ? - http://trilema.com/2016/o-hey-is-it-november-yet/ << :D the likeness!
1500012;1468006660;mircea_popescu;is it ?
1500013;1468006667;mircea_popescu;i was worried maybe i'm hallucinating it
1500014;1468007461;mircea_popescu;in other "argentines are retards" lulz, here's a challenge for anyone : find a list of buenos aires highschools online. anywhere, in any language.
1500015;1468007525;mircea_popescu;wikipedia has a meagre dozen, ie, abour 2%. "paginas amarillas" like 9. buenosaires.gob.ar a derpy page with large fonts and nice graphics, nothing useful. (in line with the entire government here, they're basically made by apple, 0 substance, harsh colors, foot tall fonts. smartphone sites.)
1500016;1468007590;mircea_popescu;but if you do actually have the intel and get this together, you discover that a) more than half are "religious" ; b) none actually meet the academic level of a ghetto highschool in fucking maryland and so on and so forth.
1500017;1468007607;mircea_popescu;how anyone thinks of this place as above somaliland is entirely beyond me, and strictly a matter of racism.
1500018;1468007621;mircea_popescu;guess what : argentine niggers aren't any better just because they happen to be white-toned.
1500019;1468007931;phf;BingoBoingo: ha! that's because you entered the stereotype conversation at the closing end
1500020;1468008024;phf;i was actually kind of surprised by the castrati thing, and blame new york jews and their documented ideology on non violence on the shift
1500021;1468008032;phf;*of
1500022;1468008127;phf;but back in old world, jews for all practical purposes niggers. jews were affiliated with both banking world and criminal world
1500023;1468008267;phf;ostap bender, a very popular character in su, was an odessan jew, and a "farsovshik" i.e. a huckster
1500024;1468008279;phf;half the criminals in movies and books were jews
1500025;1468008300;mircea_popescu;right.
1500026;1468008320;mircea_popescu;demography doth not lie. be the 11-12% minority, get murdered. it's really that simple.
1500027;1468008330;phf;largest surviving mafia organization from before zar times is odessan mafia (which is where briton beach crowd is from, incorrectly called "russian mafia"), which was exclusively jewish
1500028;1468008359;mircea_popescu;ny mafia was originally also jewish. recruits dried out cca 1950ish, with italians flooding in.
1500029;1468008395;phf;yeah, ny mafia is odessa mafia, only recently, i.e. post 90s did you start getting an influx of "eastern promises" russians
1500030;1468008401;mircea_popescu;phf ro "farsor" (farce-actor), ~same meaning.
1500031;1468008409;mircea_popescu;o you saw that film ?
1500032;1468008412;mircea_popescu;not bad huh.
1500033;1468008470;phf;oh that's what americans ask me all the time "so ugh you saw eastern promises?"
1500034;1468008503;mircea_popescu;lol
1500035;1468008536;mircea_popescu;damn, now i know what i should have said re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471912 ! http://trilema.com/2015/a-modern-lovestory-ioan-niculaie-diana-guresoaie/
1500036;1468008536;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 20:45 vc: I can't tell if you're serious or not
1500037;1468008555;phf;i was mostly disappointed that they didn't play up traditional su mafia things. we have our own omerta! where's the songs? where's the slang? seems like a lot of wasted opportunity. all we got is a "carefully researched" tattoos
1500038;1468008578;asciilifeform;^^
1500039;1468008583;mircea_popescu;phf too much material. us-audience film is a 2kb affair.
1500040;1468008588;mircea_popescu;amiga version!
1500041;1468008594;asciilifeform;l0l!
1500042;1468008619;asciilifeform;american films about su/ru are weird.
1500043;1468008627;asciilifeform;for instance, the iconic tub o'shit 'red october'
1500044;1468008638;asciilifeform;they felt it necessary to MAKE UP a naval anthem
1500045;1468008645;mircea_popescu;the fact that they at fucking least got the tattoos ~right (and no, it's absolutely not out of place that a bunch of dudes in suits gather on fine leather upholstery to drink aged cognac while one of them takes apart a sorry set of 1920 shaver turned into tattoo machine and proceeds.)
1500046;1468008649;asciilifeform;using someone who learned the language from... a dictionary?
1500047;1468008651;asciilifeform;must be
1500048;1468008660;asciilifeform;(see the intro title credits to the film, it is there)
1500049;1468008706;mircea_popescu;but yes, as a narrative it barely holds together in a thousand places. still, ahead of class.
1500050;1468008712;asciilifeform;or try another american film, 'beautiful mind', about crazy mathematician john nash
1500051;1468008719;mircea_popescu;that thing was offensive
1500052;1468008725;asciilifeform;they had his hallucinated ru enemies, speak... fuck knows what
1500053;1468008730;mircea_popescu;they should stick to forrest gump ; touchy feely nobody on a stick works better.
1500054;1468008734;asciilifeform;some language made up on the spot
1500055;1468008756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i saw a 'forrest gump'-themed restaurant in bmore.
1500056;1468008771;phf;american movies don't do geniuses very well, unless it's "odd" characters, like the aviator
1500057;1468008771;mircea_popescu;in the sense that what, all the wait staff was retarded ?
1500058;1468008774;mircea_popescu;i see these here daily.
1500059;1468008778;asciilifeform;i did not go in.
1500060;1468008781;asciilifeform;maybe tomorrow, will go in.
1500061;1468008799;mircea_popescu;wtf was that much better film, with the rape victim ukr ?
1500062;1468008804;mircea_popescu;i don't think it ever saw us wide release
1500063;1468008822;asciilifeform;i have nfi
1500064;1468008825;asciilifeform;dun recall such a thing
1500065;1468008866;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/la-sconosciuta << there we go
1500066;1468008869;mircea_popescu;either of you saw it ?
1500067;1468008885;*;asciilifeform has not
1500068;1468008886;mircea_popescu;much more "western slav" (ie, serb) mafia than eastern slav, but anyway. altogether better film.
1500069;1468008918;phf;i have not seen it either
1500070;1468008931;mircea_popescu;well im curious what you think!
1500071;1468009044;phf;looks fun
1500072;1468009090;mircea_popescu;phf about the same period, whole world was trying to do "romanian realism" with mixed results.
1500073;1468009234;phf;they don't have enough bratki for that
1500074;1468009263;phf;su prison system managed to preserve and cook up a special kind of culture
1500075;1468009324;mircea_popescu;http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-cannes-romania-new-wave-movies-mungiu-puiu-20160525-snap-story.html << re "ro realism".
1500076;1468009370;mircea_popescu;~all mentioned titles are worth watching, i'd say.
1500077;1468009925;phf;"Mysterious death of software pioneer Ian Murdock ruled suicide ☶ money.cnn.com"
1500078;1468009988;asciilifeform;☶ ??
1500079;1468010003;asciilifeform;tangram is in uniturd nao?!
1500080;1468010024;asciilifeform;or what was it
1500081;1468010025;asciilifeform;iching
1500082;1468010038;asciilifeform;holy shit
1500083;1468010067;asciilifeform;䷀䷁䷂䷃䷄䷅䷆䷇䷈䷉䷊䷋䷌䷍䷎䷏.
1500084;1468010123;phf;asciilifeform: lobste.rs uses iching symbols for some unknown internal reasons which i don't have inclination of investigating. somewhere on par with calling a currency "etherium" and a corporation "dao". way to corner those timeless symbols gaiz
1500085;1468010127;asciilifeform;'The autopsy records also note his body was covered in bruises -- on his chest, abdomen, back, arms and legs.' << much suicide. surprised that no nailgun holes.
1500086;1468010182;asciilifeform;'Officers said Murdock banged his own head against the metal cage inside the police car. '
1500087;1468010188;phf;"the victim proceeded to repeatedly trip and fall on knife 37 times"
1500088;1468010334;asciilifeform;from same rag, http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/07/technology/philando-castile-tech-workers-calling-in-black/index.html?iid=ob_article_footer
1500089;1468010360;asciilifeform;'Calling in black is essentially an excuse for a day of self care, wrote Slack engineer Erica Baker in a Medium post called "Processing." The move comes in the wake of the murders of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, two black men who died at the hands of police officers just this week. Their deaths aren't anomalies by any stretch: Eric Garner, Freddie Gray and Tamir Rice are just a few of the names that have made headlines in the
1500090;1468010360;asciilifeform; past few years. "Today I will give myself the space to grieve for Alton Sterling, Philando Castile, and every other black person that has been executed and all those that will be executed by the police, until we finally say enough is enough and put an end to the terrorism that we call modern day policing," '
1500091;1468010436;phf;"если луиса корвалана не отпустят — я завтра на работу не выйду"
1500092;1468010498;asciilifeform;l0l
1500093;1468010526;BingoBoingo;http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/police-body-found-in-piedmont-park-a-suicide-victi/nrtJq/
1500094;1468010533;mircea_popescu;ahahah
1500095;1468010544;mircea_popescu;clearly needed. THIS is needed. the finger is not. fucking i-ching.
1500096;1468010550;mircea_popescu;next they're going to put a mahjongg set
1500097;1468010570;phf;mircea_popescu: boy do i have news for you
1500098;1468010580;mircea_popescu;no fucking way
1500099;1468010582;BingoBoingo;"The case of a black man found hanging from a tree in Piedmont Park has been referred to the FBI, Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said.
1500100;1468010582;BingoBoingo;Reed’s statement was issued Thursday afternoon, hours after social media users expressed outrage about the Atlanta Police Department’s contention the scene was consistent with a suicide. An autopsy has not been performed."
1500101;1468010590;mircea_popescu;away, evil one. do not bespoil my youthful innocence.
1500102;1468010630;phf;Mahjong Tiles Range: 1F000–1F02F
1500103;1468010672;phf;
1500104;1468010679;asciilifeform;^ doesn't display on my box
1500105;1468010688;mircea_popescu;or in his log
1500106;1468010690;mircea_popescu;but i see it fine.
1500107;1468010694;asciilifeform;i-ching, you-ching, we all ching for i-ching.
1500108;1468010711;phf;oh interesting, it's straight up missing from log
1500109;1468010729;mircea_popescu;no it's not.  phf: 
1500110;1468010749;phf;true, but corrupted
1500111;1468010756;asciilifeform;i see a subscripted '4'
1500112;1468010759;mircea_popescu;yeah, that's what i'm saying.
1500113;1468010810;BingoBoingo;;;later tell thestringpuller Pleases consider Brazil
1500114;1468010810;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1500115;1468010817;phf;http://glyf.org/tmp/mahjong.png
1500116;1468010829;mircea_popescu;nevermind!
1500117;1468010896;phf;well, i have some font on my system that kicks in for most obscure characters (i think i wanted it for apl unicode), never the less log loses some unicode bits
1500118;1468013106;BingoBoingo;Who knew the "weather" tag on qntra would get so much use so soon?
1500119;1468013174;deedbot;[Qntra] Multiple Ambush Attacks On Police Officers Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/multiple-ambush-attacks-on-police-officers-today/
1500120;1468014409;mircea_popescu;are we waking alf up re police getting butchered or not yet ?
1500121;1468014435;asciilifeform;$s gendarmerie
1500122;1468014435;a111;35 results for "gendarmerie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gendarmerie
1500123;1468014442;asciilifeform;which waking up.
1500124;1468014446;asciilifeform;plan is pretty obvious.
1500125;1468014522;asciilifeform;if a white army tries to retake and hold streets in bmore, you can bet your arse the feds will show up. and will defend their beloved pets.
1500126;1468014578;asciilifeform;on the other had, white cops trying to keep usa from rhodesiating, ~will~ be butchered, yes.
1500127;1468014601;asciilifeform;to the enthusiastic applause of harvaryalebridge et al.
1500128;1468014613;trinque;do you really think every black dude with an assault rifle is working for lizard hitler?
1500129;1468014621;trinque;they're just pissed dawg
1500130;1468014624;trinque;fuck da po-lice
1500131;1468014634;asciilifeform;trinque: didja ever read rezun's piece re sov-funded terrorists ?
1500132;1468014667;trinque;I haven't.
1500133;1468014677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i recall vaguely some debates cca 2013, prior to the gendarmerie fallback, with me saying the us police is going to get butchered and you saying wake me up when.
1500134;1468014683;mircea_popescu;too vague to bother digging for it though
1500135;1468014705;asciilifeform;'The GRU's tactics toward terrorists are simple: never give them any orders, never tell them what to do. They are destroying Western civilisation: they know how to do it, the argument goes, so let them get on with it unfettered by petty supervision. Among them there are idealists ready to die for their own ideas. So let them die for them. The most important thing is to preserve their illusion that they are completely free and indepen
1500136;1468014705;asciilifeform;dent.'
1500137;1468014705;mircea_popescu;but i will say this "hey, getting beaten into a pulp WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG" only goes so far
1500138;1468014710;asciilifeform;( http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/08.html )
1500139;1468014721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: feds were not, and are not, getting beaten into a pulp.
1500140;1468014736;mircea_popescu;incidentally, you know what splitting is ?
1500141;1468014740;asciilifeform;local cops - yes. because they are in the way.
1500142;1468014742;asciilifeform;hm?
1500143;1468014748;mircea_popescu;splitting.
1500144;1468014756;asciilifeform;nfi?
1500145;1468014803;mircea_popescu;splitting is a term from psychology, denoting a tendency (seen mostly in borderline cases, but a variant is central to narcissists of both types also) to resolve contrasts through alternating pure views.
1500146;1468014834;mircea_popescu;in the most typical case, the teenager's mother is PERFECT ALL GOOD, when she satisfies whatever impulse currently holds the attention of the kid ; and EVIL ALL BAD when she frustrates idem
1500147;1468014836;asciilifeform;where's the alternation ?
1500148;1468014845;asciilifeform;shoe dun fit.
1500149;1468014849;mircea_popescu;splitting is common in adolescents, and supposedly healthy to a degree.
1500150;1468014853;mircea_popescu;hey, i was just asking!
1500151;1468014861;asciilifeform;lel
1500152;1468014871;mircea_popescu;tis an interesting concept.
1500153;1468014897;asciilifeform;i'll wear the shoe from the swift thread, though, sure.
1500154;1468014933;mircea_popescu;you'll notice that the simple solution to any unpleasant event is to divide the object into a good and a bad side, yes ?
1500155;1468014942;mircea_popescu;what makes you think there exists a difference between "feds" and "local police" ?
1500156;1468015087;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quite different items in 1,001 ways.
1500157;1468015107;asciilifeform;different jurisdictions, command structure, philosophy, equipment, even recruitment methods
1500158;1468015116;mircea_popescu;well you know, your hand and your skull are quite different items in 1001 ways, but the argument "the bad hand hit you" might at most convince a pitbull
1500159;1468015121;mircea_popescu;or i guess an orthodox muslim.
1500160;1468015170;asciilifeform;never said 'local is GOOD!111'
1500161;1468015189;asciilifeform;just that it is not a reliable part of the octopus. and is being brought into line.
1500162;1468015190;mircea_popescu;but ? independent ?
1500163;1468015199;mircea_popescu;how does this work, i thought nothing was indepenent ?
1500164;1468015202;asciilifeform;let's rather say: not wholly dependent.
1500165;1468015205;mircea_popescu;turns out there's an island right in heart of mordor ?
1500166;1468015222;mircea_popescu;well then... if local police can be inconvenient, then lizard hittler is quite vulnerable ? and there could be... other problems it could have ?
1500167;1468015243;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498863 << they all live atop the same printing press, yes ? what difference ?
1500168;1468015243;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
1500169;1468015264;mircea_popescu;same nato behind nypd and fbi, neh ?
1500170;1468015328;asciilifeform;my fingers are in that sense same as my toes
1500171;1468015342;asciilifeform;but in practice, they are not interchangeable.
1500172;1468015352;mircea_popescu;i would propose that the surgeon drawing a distinction between toe gangrene and finger gangrene is a dubious surgeon indeed.
1500173;1468015426;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1500175;1468015503;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1500176;1468015505;gribble;Current Blocks: 419884 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1459 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 29 minutes, and 22 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1500177;1468015519;BingoBoingo;116 blocks left
1500178;1468015569;shinohai;>.>
1500179;1468017345;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “What is this magical key to success you smart people have?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/what-is-this-magical-key-to-success-you-smart-people-have/
1500180;1468018154;BingoBoingo;$up God
1500181;1468018154;deedbot;God voiced for 30 minutes.
1500182;1468018274;God;What’s your favorite story from the bible?
1500183;1468018351;God;What do you all think of Mormons?
1500184;1468019025;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-idUSKCN0ZN0MF << wahhahaha, "acted alone"
1500185;1468019028;trinque;asciilifeform: I tip my hat
1500186;1468019052;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499297
1500187;1468019052;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 04:27 trinque: we'll see how the number of shooters dwindles though
1500188;1468019186;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-gunman-idUSKCN0ZO2JO << rather, this one
1500189;1468023080;danielpbarron;$up hodgepodger
1500190;1468023081;deedbot;hodgepodger voiced for 30 minutes.
1500191;1468023183;asciilifeform;trinque: l0l!
1500192;1468023187;asciilifeform;just like the sandy hook scam
1500193;1468023191;asciilifeform;and buncha others.
1500194;1468023217;asciilifeform;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-markets-bitcoin-mining-idUSKCN0ZO2CW << from same rag.
1500195;1468023225;asciilifeform;'Bitcoin 'miners' face fight for survival as new supply halves'
1500196;1468023440;asciilifeform;'Dallas Police Chief David Brown called the incident "a well-planned, well-thought-out, evil tragedy," adding, "We are determined to not let this person steal this democracy from us."' << lel!
1500197;1468023445;asciilifeform;interesting phrasing.
1500198;1468024088;mircea_popescu;trinque well, homebrew stuff isn't an ~international~ terrorist organisation so all's good.
1500199;1468026564;asciilifeform;http://www.wellaware1.com/castile << moar lulz.
1500200;1468028197;mircea_popescu;uh. blood is all sorts of colors.
1500201;1468028299;mircea_popescu;wtf is this crazy shit stick on all sides of video anyway.
1500202;1468029091;asciilifeform;nfi
1500203;1468030605;shinohai;reportedly, coinbase has a bug that is making high numbers of "vaults" in user accounts lol
1500204;1468030882;asciilifeform;waiwut
1500205;1468031047;shinohai;http://archive.is/rNiol
1500206;1468031075;asciilifeform;what do these actually do ?
1500207;1468031231;mircea_popescu;someone fucking with their db ?
1500208;1468031275;shinohai;or they just have a new "feature"
1500209;1468031562;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1500179 << this thing just melted my brainz. some schmuck crying because he could not become a... health inspector! and pete_dushenski advising him on how to cry less
1500210;1468031562;a111;Logged on 2016-07-08 22:35 deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “What is this magical key to success you smart people have?” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/08/what-is-this-magical-key-to-success-you-smart-people-have/
1500211;1468034177;mircea_popescu;nuttin wrong with that, is thar!
1500212;1468034179;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There are worse things to cry over.
1500213;1468035588;phf;spilled milk for one
1500214;1468039392;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1500215;1468039394;gribble;Current Blocks: 419926 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1417 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 13 hours, 47 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1500216;1468039406;BingoBoingo;74 left
1500217;1468048868;ben_vulpes;;;halfreward
1500218;1468048868;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sat Jul  9 16:40:32 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1500219;1468066090;Framedragger;rehi
1500220;1468066209;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1496894 << yeah so just to clarify, there were ca. 20M hosts 'up', and ca. 10M ssh keys extracted from those 20M online candidates
1500221;1468066209;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 14:33 mircea_popescu: Framedragger_ do i misremember the count ?
1500222;1468066238;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497216 << o/
1500223;1468066238;a111;Logged on 2016-07-04 22:16 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-04#1497165 << Framedragger_ ? williamdunne ?
1500224;1468066265;Framedragger;in other news, https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-08/brexit-turns-bitcoin-into-an-unlikely-haven-currency-chart
1500225;1468067727;shinohai;wb Framedragger
1500226;1468067817;Framedragger;thx shinohai. it's nice to get away from teh PC for a while
1500227;1468067869;shinohai;agreed. I'm gonna go to Virginia beach w/ gf for a holiday but gotta wait until August.
1500228;1468067971;Framedragger;sounds nice. yeah i spent time by the baltic sea etc, was warm enough to swim, good times
1500229;1468068034;*;shinohai likes anywhere with a coast.
1500230;1468068043;Framedragger;yeah, same!
1500231;1468069138;*;mircea_popescu waves
1500232;1468069156;mircea_popescu;$up PumpBTC
1500233;1468069157;deedbot;PumpBTC voiced for 30 minutes.
1500234;1468069260;shinohai;oh hiya mp
1500235;1468069304;mircea_popescu;;)
1500236;1468069329;shinohai;Happy anarchy in the us day!
1500237;1468069339;mircea_popescu;o it is ?
1500238;1468069345;PumpBTC;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkyI4faxrJE
1500239;1468069349;PumpBTC;lesson of the day
1500240;1468069438;Framedragger;;;bc,stats
1500241;1468069440;gribble;Current Blocks: 419973 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1370 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1500242;1468069458;Framedragger;;;halfreward
1500243;1468069458;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sat Jul  9 17:33:42 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 4 hours, 30 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1500244;1468069579;Framedragger;..so no truly-broken keys from the ssh keyset yet, i take it! :)
1500245;1468069755;shinohai;phuctor rss feed broken again :/
1500246;1468069783;mircea_popescu;apparently not
1500247;1468069864;shinohai;it appears my request just timed out is all.
1500248;1468070060;shinohai;fuckin dao up 19.22%
1500249;1468070073;mircea_popescu;lol they fixed it ?
1500250;1468070101;shinohai;The DAO 2.0 - Flaming tire in a shitpit, now with corn!
1500251;1468070249;PumpBTC;dao has like 95% of it issuance with 5 people
1500252;1468070282;PumpBTC;hey mircea how is argentina? you get scammed by doug casey into going to that wretched shithole?
1500253;1468070291;shinohai;http://archive.is/yHDFa  'Bitcoin Jesus' Roger Ver was hospitalized after being found ranting incoherently on a Tokyo street corner, wearing only a soiled toga-like garment.'
1500254;1468070341;mircea_popescu;nah.
1500255;1468070363;mircea_popescu;see http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/
1500256;1468070470;shinohai;But they have a Bitcoin embassy!
1500257;1468070500;mircea_popescu;im sure they do.
1500258;1468070523;mircea_popescu;there's a picture i took in egypt of a dhl sign in the middle of the sandy nowhere. i'm too lazy to dig it up, consider i linked it
1500259;1468070524;PumpBTC;you heading back to gypsyland or staying in argentina
1500260;1468070546;mircea_popescu;what's gypsyland and who are you again ?
1500261;1468070554;PumpBTC;romania
1500262;1468070560;mircea_popescu;heh
1500263;1468070570;mircea_popescu;gypsy folk have no land, ye schmuck.
1500264;1468070577;PumpBTC;tru
1500265;1468070583;mircea_popescu;kinda the fuckin' point.
1500266;1468070865;*;Framedragger waves hey mircea_popescu, how are things and how's the weather on your end? it's supposed to be, like, winter over there, right?
1500267;1468070889;mircea_popescu;girl wears my underwear "as an experiment" ; then gets her period "unexpectedly". i am now throwing out blood stained boxers wtf.
1500268;1468070900;Framedragger;hahaha
1500269;1468070903;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ~12 celsius. it never gets to be winter.
1500270;1468070905;Framedragger;sorry for your loss
1500271;1468070925;mircea_popescu;yeah ima have to buy more, they keep getting in accidents.
1500272;1468070931;Framedragger;i guess that's supposed to be winter-y in that context
1500273;1468071085;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the locals go around all wrapped up and keep shivering and shit, it's pretty ridoinculous.
1500274;1468071126;mircea_popescu;i can't not think "there's something deeply wrong with her cunt" whenever i see young women being all cold and shit with the sweet warm breeze outside > 10 degrees.
1500275;1468071132;mircea_popescu;"turn on the engine, yo!"
1500276;1468071436;Framedragger;heh. i am reminded of stories of refugees in sweden making most serious and sincere complaints about how unbelievably cold it is. at that time iirc it wasn't even winter proper, *and* it's not "cold" in sweden....
1500277;1468071487;mircea_popescu;heh.
1500278;1468071491;mircea_popescu;quite.
1500279;1468071548;mircea_popescu;i have burned in my memory this scene, me visiting the baltic sometime in september, and the sky was fucking ladden and the breeze cutting and meh, i was totally opressed. meanwhile, pantlegs pulled up, sauntering around in the wake, these tweeny girls, redder than boiled lobster in color.
1500280;1468071553;mircea_popescu;they couldn't care less.
1500281;1468071646;Framedragger;:).
1500282;1468072653;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500267 << lel that makes 2 of us.
1500283;1468072653;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 13:28 mircea_popescu: girl wears my underwear "as an experiment" ; then gets her period "unexpectedly". i am now throwing out blood stained boxers wtf.
1500284;1468072733;mircea_popescu;say no to domestic experimentation! let's make america great again!
1500285;1468072817;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did yours propose "just because it's bloody doesn't mean you have to throw it out" also ?
1500286;1468073577;asciilifeform;aha.
1500287;1468073659;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, i'm about to do 2nd expedition to bmore.
1500288;1468074346;mircea_popescu;got your blog up and ready to go ? :D
1500289;1468074409;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500226 << no it's not. it's miserable i tell you. miserable!
1500290;1468074409;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 12:36 Framedragger: thx shinohai. it's nice to get away from teh PC for a while
1500291;1468074438;shinohai;i still have a small device to read lawgz with
1500292;1468074470;mircea_popescu;ah. i hate the small shits.
1500293;1468074601;*;phf is looking forward to asciilifeform's baltimore pics
1500294;1468074662;thestringpuller;;;seen jurov
1500295;1468074662;gribble;jurov was last seen in #trilema 2 days, 16 hours, 31 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <jurov> using.trilema.for.workouts. my brain timed out at this.
1500296;1468074750;thestringpuller;he must be hanging with da hippiez. no h8.
1500297;1468074759;thestringpuller;happy halvening day TMSR
1500298;1468074803;thestringpuller;I can't believe it's been 4 years already. Damn, we gettin' old ya'll.
1500299;1468074816;thestringpuller;;;seen smickles
1500300;1468074816;gribble;smickles was last seen in #trilema 2 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <smickles> $s moon
1500301;1468074974;phf;$up vc
1500302;1468074974;deedbot;vc voiced for 30 minutes.
1500303;1468076282;Framedragger;vc reminds me, i'll re-do the port 22 ipv4 probe on his cockful box :p
1500304;1468077222;Framedragger;hm, box.cock.li seems to be down, and ssh host key on vc's vps seems to have changed :/ hrmph.
1500305;1468077246;Framedragger;oh it's back up
1500306;1468077269;Framedragger;(my mistake)
1500307;1468077317;shinohai;which box do you have Framedragger ?
1500308;1468077380;*;shinohai wants to run a cock.li trb node
1500309;1468077548;shinohai; I long for the day he opens the box.nigge.rs domain
1500310;1468077739;BingoBoingo;12 blocks left!
1500311;1468077788;Framedragger;shinohai: 1GB Memory, 30GB SSD Storage, 1TB Bandwidth
1500312;1468077805;Framedragger;$10/mo
1500313;1468077826;shinohai;i'd probably need$20/mo or better plan for node purposes.
1500314;1468078234;Framedragger;shinohai: yeah, you probably would. if there's an occasion for that tho, i'd go for it. or maybe tmsr can fund one, however it works
1500315;1468078273;shinohai;no space available currently doe :/
1500316;1468078367;Framedragger;ah. when vc's around maybe he can be queried re this :)
1500317;1468078509;BingoBoingo;In other news, a Tornado hit Metropolis. Another candidate for Alfugee settlement, just not as cheap or black as Cairo. Also has Casino nao.
1500318;1468078513;BingoBoingo;http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/story/32388841/metropolis-without-power-after-ef-1-tornado-straight-line-winds
1500319;1468079583;mats;dun dun dun
1500320;1468079685;BingoBoingo;It's ok though because apparently Superman lives there as he's 'Murican and there's no where else named Metropolis in the US.
1500321;1468079722;*;BingoBoingo doesn't know if they ever gave him super carpentry skills so he could... rebuild
1500322;1468082080;mod6;"blocks" : 419996,
1500323;1468082108;mod6;<+thestringpuller> happy halvening day TMSR << salud!
1500324;1468082232;mod6;i got 419997 nao
1500325;1468082591;ben_vulpes;419999
1500326;1468082612;mod6;yup, just got that too. nice.
1500327;1468082852;ben_vulpes;419999
1500328;1468082854;ben_vulpes;derp
1500329;1468082870;mod6;there it is! 420`000
1500330;1468082870;ben_vulpes;420001
1500331;1468082886;ben_vulpes;happy new era
1500332;1468082907;mod6;I snuck in this tx to The Bitcoin Foundation
1500333;1468082909;mod6;33943c10527486f6913bf5041e12d7994bfa84f54c1cc6668c0556e6d6f68175
1500334;1468082910;ben_vulpes;mod6: i'm seeing 420`001, are you?
1500335;1468082926;mod6;yup, got 420,001
1500336;1468082968;ben_vulpes;word
1500337;1468082984;ben_vulpes;those two came in kinda quickly.
1500338;1468082986;ben_vulpes;conspiraci!
1500339;1468083162;mod6;reward on 420`000 with fees is 13.07569681
1500340;1468083209;mod6;reward on 420`001 with fees is 12.51263172
1500341;1468083245;mod6;:]
1500342;1468083306;Framedragger;nice one, cheers everyone :)
1500343;1468083341;mod6;salud Framedragger
1500344;1468083478;Framedragger;(some nice dump and pump BTCUSD volume it seems; curious how the price moves in the hours/days to come)
1500345;1468083518;mod6;yeah
1500346;1468083555;Framedragger;(i guess the speculation-based pump happened long time ago? though i didn't follow much)
1500347;1468083575;mod6;last time, there seemed like there a small percent bump to the upside.  but then after a while, price moved signifigantly.
1500348;1468083587;mod6;i'd have to look at a chart..
1500349;1468083596;Framedragger;yeah
1500350;1468084056;mod6;Yeah, looking at some bitcoincharts ... last time the blockreward halved @ 210000 it was 2012.11.28
1500351;1468084148;mod6;fun to look back on that stuff.
1500352;1468084176;Framedragger;absolutely; will try to do the same later today, just out of curiosity. interesting indeed
1500353;1468084329;mircea_popescu;420001 ftw :D
1500354;1468084338;mod6;hai
1500355;1468084380;mircea_popescu;"bitcoin doomed because block reward too small to carry littoral combat sheep."
1500356;1468084447;mod6;i've got 420`002 nao
1500357;1468084473;mod6;13.37096670 reward
1500358;1468084502;mircea_popescu;a more decent 5-10% sort of fee vs subsidy composition.
1500359;1468084520;mod6;420`003 nao too
1500360;1468084531;mircea_popescu;let's not forget that all the hype, buzz and derpage isn't worth a cupfula warm piss ; this thing has to sustain itself ON FEES.
1500361;1468084543;mircea_popescu;yup here too mod6
1500362;1468084557;mod6;32`124.16849594 transacted on 420`002
1500363;1468084595;mod6;reward on 420`003 was 12.80146071
1500364;1468084633;mod6;to total transacted was 9455.53208374 on 420`003
1500365;1468084652;mod6;i'll pipe down a bit now.  just watchin' :]
1500366;1468084731;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> let's not forget that all the hype, buzz and derpage isn't worth a cupfula warm piss ; this thing has to sustain itself ON FEES. << yup!
1500367;1468084995;mod6;420`004
1500368;1468085006;mircea_popescu;are you a little excited ? :D
1500369;1468085019;mod6;yeah!
1500370;1468085024;mircea_popescu;mebbe jot down a qntra piece. you know, 30 years from now you can frame it and hang in your office
1500371;1468085068;mod6;yeah, I can try to throw a short one together here in the next little bit.
1500372;1468085496;BingoBoingo;<Framedragger> (some nice dump and pump BTCUSD volume it seems; curious how the price moves in the hours/days to come) << Watch not days, but months
1500373;1468085530;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/07/the-bitcoin-block-reward-has-halved-a-second-time/ << mod6 Welcome to pls build on this
1500374;1468085703;deedbot;[Qntra] The Bitcoin Block Reward Has Halved A Second Time - http://qntra.net/2016/07/the-bitcoin-block-reward-has-halved-a-second-time/
1500375;1468087039;mod6;ah, ok, figured you'd have something going already :]
1500376;1468087058;BingoBoingo;But a member of the foundation building on it would be well appreciated
1500377;1468087097;mod6;That's a nice write up.
1500378;1468087107;mod6;I'll see what I can do here...
1500379;1468088350;mod6;420`007
1500380;1468089040;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1500381;1468089050;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4288.26, vol: 34304.41400000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4288.26
1500382;1468089181;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1500383;1468089185;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 640.9, vol: 6546.49317421 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 630.002, vol: 6144.21205 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 642.06, vol: 47295.65943226 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 664.66, vol: 1.86461374 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 641.069455, vol: 34367.42050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 640.22, vol: 2026.17388379 | Volume-weighted last average: 640.82108033
1500384;1468090731;mod6;;;halfreward
1500385;1468090732;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Tue Jul  7 01:18:15 2020 UTC | Time remaining: 3 years, 51 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
1500386;1468091459;mats;http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_133276.htm?selectedLocale=en
1500387;1468091821;mats;>we have decided to enhance our military presence in the eastern part of the Alliance. With four battalions here in Poland, as well as Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania on a rotational basis.
1500388;1468091903;BingoBoingo;ty mod6
1500389;1468091974;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitcoin Foundation Chair On Bitcoin's Second Halving - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bitcoin-foundation-chair-on-bitcoins-second-halving/
1500390;1468092265;BingoBoingo;$up vc
1500391;1468092265;deedbot;vc voiced for 30 minutes.
1500392;1468092796;mod6;Hey, thanks for posting BingoBoingo!
1500393;1468092823;mod6;also, thanks for linking your article too.
1500394;1468093382;mircea_popescu;mats coupla batallions in constanta and somewhere around the carpathian bend
1500395;1468093575;mircea_popescu;mats also of interest : http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118020
1500396;1468093657;mats;folks seem terrified of ru aggression
1500397;1468093692;mats;there have been rumblings of .fi and .se joining nato for a little while now
1500398;1468093905;mats;;;seen nubbins`
1500399;1468093905;gribble;I have not seen nubbins`.
1500400;1468093975;mircea_popescu;mats well, the implosion of ukraine pretty much convinced everyone there's no future for the ... you know, "peaceful, independent country" a la frace in the 1800s.
1500401;1468093978;mircea_popescu;looking for a new model.
1500402;1468094011;mats;four battalions is a weak attempt at reassuring the baltics
1500403;1468094062;mircea_popescu;one battalion is barely adequate to police the base at constanta.
1500404;1468094072;mircea_popescu;but hey... the empire's outta juice.
1500405;1468094379;mats;idk how to reach nubbins so as far as i'm concerned hanbot is the only other participant
1500406;1468094448;mircea_popescu;do your best as they say.
1500407;1468094548;mircea_popescu;incidentally, here's an ~actual~ bit of post-bitcoin governance being tried out etc. with institutions and mechanisms and whatnot. of course, the usual fucktards, the nullities that spent a million words discussing "the dao" and "futublabla" and so on will never EVER mention it.
1500408;1468094563;mircea_popescu;salt to the snail, real things to the fetish-only ustard and so on.
1500409;1468094608;mircea_popescu;but the matter is in itself important, "how to reward collective effort ?" "i dunno, have the INDIVIDUALS composing the collective submit plans, and pick the fairest of a selected set ?"
1500410;1468094626;mircea_popescu;because no, there isn't such a thing as a collective, it's a circumstance not a thing.
1500411;1468094633;mircea_popescu;aaanyway.
1500412;1468094674;mircea_popescu;please bury me with a pickaxe, i have a few things to say to FUCKING EVERYONE from plato to the current pope
1500413;1468094682;mircea_popescu;and it's the sort of thing best explained with the pickaxe to the skull.
1500414;1468095045;mats;his contribution was minimal anyway
1500415;1468095095;mats;the Africk cases he posted aren't relevant because that judge doesn't meet the requirements - too old - and the list of magistrates in the other comment, while mostly complete (its missing Wilson), it also has many judges that don't meet the requirements
1500416;1468095799;mats;i submit that hanbot should be rewarded with 4btc and i receive the remainder of the pool
1500417;1468095907;mats;if nubbins shows up in the next sixty days and identifies with the key stored in deedbot, ill give him 0.5btc for his efforts
1500418;1468095920;mats;do you think this is equitable, hanbot
1500419;1468096357;BingoBoingo;$up summerverbose
1500420;1468096357;deedbot;summerverbose voiced for 30 minutes.
1500421;1468096363;BingoBoingo;Hello ms verbose
1500422;1468096580;summerverbose;sup to all my dudez :)
1500423;1468096913;summerverbose;so, I'm a wot:nonperson but just wanted to say, been an avid follower of QNTRA and trilema for a number of years and have spent the last 3 years of my life building on Bitcoin
1500424;1468096954;summerverbose;that's all for now, maybe I'll have something to contribute textually later but have a great weekend to all.
1500425;1468096955;shinohai;nifty
1500426;1468096962;mats;what does building on bitcoin mean exactly
1500427;1468096992;summerverbose;somewhere inbetween Dooglus and Brian Armstrong
1500428;1468097095;trinque;read trilema and qntra for years, don't want to register in wot?
1500429;1468097099;trinque;wat
1500430;1468097136;shinohai;lol Brian Armstrong.
1500431;1468097167;BingoBoingo;summerverbose: perhaps begin by registering a key?
1500432;1468097211;summerverbose;I had generally preferred to keep my identity fluid
1500433;1468097221;mats;lol
1500434;1468097221;summerverbose;but on this special day, perhaps I will take the plunge .. need to push a few commits first :)
1500435;1468097237;trinque;summerverbose: building what on bitcoin?
1500436;1468097265;summerverbose;services for the public good basically
1500437;1468097557;BingoBoingo;The fluid identity thing tends to be a handicap in the long run no matter what your impression of the short term benefits are
1500438;1468097557;shinohai;$define `public good`
1500439;1468097708;summerverbose;I write software for a non-VC-funded company that expands Bitcoin accessibility around the world
1500440;1468097739;summerverbose;which I believe, based on my current pay grade, qualifies as public good :)
1500441;1468097793;mats;i can't follow this logic
1500442;1468097830;summerverbose;I spend my weekends working on Bitcoin
1500443;1468097846;summerverbose;or as my grandmother would say, "doing Bitcoin"
1500444;1468097888;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mod6 Did you plant anything today to commemorate the halving?
1500445;1468097888;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1500446;1468098138;shinohai;Happy Halvenin' BingoBoingo
1500447;1468098152;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai you plant anything today?
1500448;1468098181;shinohai;I watered my bonsai does that count?
1500449;1468098194;shinohai;$up summerverbose
1500450;1468098194;deedbot;summerverbose voiced for 30 minutes.
1500451;1468098300;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Sure. I put in a thornless blackberry. Finally doing a cazalla and putting in an edible.
1500452;1468098347;shinohai;I have tomatoes and peppers already ala mod6
1500453;1468098355;shinohai;green onions
1500454;1468098538;BingoBoingo;I figued thornless blackberry would be appropriate because require serious cutting every two years
1500455;1468098549;BingoBoingo;And protection from birds when fruiting
1500456;1468098556;BingoBoingo;and other assorted vigilance
1500457;1468098594;mod6;BingoBoingo: ah, thanks for the q. No, didn't plant anything. Raised up my lettuce (romaine), it's over 36" tall now.  Watered everything.  Zucchini's are getting big.  Tomatoes are still green but coming along...
1500458;1468098605;mod6;Everything else is getting there too.
1500459;1468098612;BingoBoingo;sweet!
1500460;1468098615;shinohai;oh noes i'll never learn what that worthwhile Bitcoin project was.
1500461;1468098670;trinque;summerverbose │ I write software for a non-VC-funded company that expands Bitcoin accessibility around the world << that is not a sentence that sentences
1500462;1468098682;trinque;define thy terms!
1500463;1468098684;*;trinque aways
1500464;1468098710;mod6;<+shinohai> I have tomatoes and peppers already ala mod6 << last year I did bell peppers and habaneros.  Only the habaneros did alright.  This year made room for Eggplant, Pumpkins, Watermelon, Red/Green Cabbage, Cucumbers (large & small), and Broccoli.
1500465;1468098763;mod6;It's a neat hobby kinda.  Helps me to get outside and think a bit.
1500466;1468099093;mircea_popescu;mats but plox to submit a comment there.
1500467;1468099146;shinohai;nice
1500468;1468099208;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500448 << ahahaha ooookay.
1500469;1468099208;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 21:03 shinohai: I watered my bonsai does that count?
1500470;1468099246;mircea_popescu;in other non-news, along halvening day today is also argentina independence day. inexplicably, they celebrate this - roughly like the acneic woman celebrating nodule day.
1500471;1468099311;shinohai;http://archive.is/gjq8i  <<< lulzy the delusions of this guy
1500472;1468099483;mod6;here's a couple of pics taken a few weeks ago of my one lettuce box (also has some cabbage in there): http://i.imgsafe.org/16b49a49dc.jpg http://i.imgsafe.org/16b908a468.jpg
1500473;1468099549;mod6;heheh `nodule day'
1500474;1468099667;mod6;crap, think i somehow linked the same pic 2x. derp
1500475;1468099814;mod6;http://i.imgsafe.org/16cdf7c239.jpg
1500476;1468099816;mod6;there we go
1500477;1468099829;BingoBoingo;very nice lumber mod6
1500478;1468099841;mod6;haha. yeah, she's old.
1500479;1468099885;mod6;i'll show off some of the other stuff once it's gets a bit farther along
1500480;1468099910;mod6;i've been eating fresh garden salad tho lately. oh boy, so good.
1500481;1468100337;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> shinohai: Sure. I put in a thornless blackberry. Finally doing a cazalla and putting in an edible. << in the background of that first pic, i've got raspberries (red and black).  been eatin 3-5 per day.
1500482;1468100348;BingoBoingo;Awesome
1500483;1468100385;mod6;my blueberries haven't grown very much in the last year or two tho.  they're only like 1' high.  so... maybe some day?  i might have them in a bad place though.  about 50% shade.
1500484;1468100400;BingoBoingo;Blueberries are tricky
1500485;1468100441;mod6;yeah, seems that way.
1500486;1468100451;BingoBoingo;Very finicky things.
1500487;1468100533;mod6;Next year I think im going to build potato boxes.
1500488;1468100570;mod6;And perhaps Mr. P.'s suggested lean-to so I can start from seeds.
1500489;1468100586;mod6;We'll see if I can get it together. Heheh.
1500490;1468101293;BingoBoingo;mod6: Prolly ought to do asparagus mound since the payoff takes so long
1500491;1468101682;mats;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118021
1500492;1468102170;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500491   <<< nice work O.o
1500493;1468102170;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 22:01 mats: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118021
1500494;1468102322;mats;thanks
1500495;1468102447;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 10783613970442413934143578906158089830375140508817221044708965087575877867311152108386754333184784039689570945854780881166021712179361227812154341718049279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.97 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+74.45.228.97@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.
1500496;1468102856;mats;o
1500497;1468102906;shinohai;how did your pogotron finally wind up?
1500498;1468102958;BingoBoingo;Sweet, an SSH pooped
1500499;1468103018;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 10783613970442413934143578906158089830375140508817221044708965087575877867311152108386754333184784039689570945854780881166021712179361227812154341718049279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.229.217 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.229.217 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+74.45.229.217@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchla
1500500;1468103018;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 10783613970442413934143578906158089830375140508817221044708965087575877867311152108386754333184784039689570945854780881166021712179361227812154341718049279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.97 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+74.45.228.97@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.
1500501;1468103021;mats;work in progress
1500502;1468103036;shinohai;>.>
1500503;1468103101;shinohai;same here really, i have had this thing for so long now, with ssd. but no way to build binary in an easy fashion
1500504;1468103734;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1500505;1468103736;gribble;Current Blocks: 420037 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1306 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 21 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1500506;1468103884;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> mod6: Prolly ought to do asparagus mound since the payoff takes so long << this is a solid idea
1500507;1468103899;mod6;mats: thanks for putting that list together.
1500508;1468104942;trinque;neat, looks like 3rd and 4th ssh keys popping
1500509;1468105839;mircea_popescu;oooo now we're cooking
1500510;1468105843;mircea_popescu;IT FOUND ONE!
1500511;1468105848;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^
1500512;1468105865;mircea_popescu;trinque proper collision it'd seem
1500513;1468105884;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/qxDPo1.png
1500514;1468105903;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/tsCI9N.png
1500515;1468105916;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1500516;1468105921;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 650.85, vol: 6250.12672999 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 635.277, vol: 6054.62609 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 651.03, vol: 47691.78769001 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 664.66, vol: 1.86461374 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 652.0592, vol: 35991.14700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 653.969, vol: 1946.9215939 | Volume-weighted last average: 650.481542007
1500517;1468105961;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh, he doesn't "owe me health", i owe him "not letting idiots die, because civilised society"
1500518;1468105963;mircea_popescu;fatlogic
1500519;1468105994;BingoBoingo;Zhe prolly doesn't even know the halvening happened.
1500520;1468106097;mircea_popescu;o wait, bitcoin is any-fat isn't it
1500521;1468106101;mircea_popescu;because it keeps halving
1500522;1468106294;BingoBoingo;lol
1500523;1468106339;shinohai;Who was the mayogenderfluid thing that's bigger than Brian Armstrong here earlier?
1500524;1468106505;mircea_popescu;wait wut ?
1500525;1468106524;BingoBoingo;http://www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm
1500526;1468106773;mircea_popescu;is this maddox' cousin ?
1500527;1468106799;BingoBoingo;yeah, that old one
1500528;1468108432;mod6;the hate mail is awesome
1500529;1468108735;BingoBoingo;$up vexare
1500530;1468108736;deedbot;vexare voiced for 30 minutes.
1500531;1468108806;vexare;lurking
1500532;1468109011;mod6;I haven't been to this site in years, still cracks me up. "Robert Hamburger has a black belt in Street Fighter 2 and a second degree black belt in Mortal Kombat 1-3."
1500533;1468109496;mircea_popescu;ah this was with the ninjas forced meme
1500534;1468109656;BingoBoingo;yeah
1500535;1468109668;*;asciilifeform back from monkeyland
1500536;1468109730;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500500 << no good. cuts off url
1500537;1468109730;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 22:23 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 10783613970442413934143578906158089830375140508817221044708965087575877867311152108386754333184784039689570945854780881166021712179361227812154341718049279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.97 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.97 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+74.45.228.97@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.
1500538;1468109845;asciilifeform;they're all on frontier dsl.
1500539;1468109848;asciilifeform;prolly modem.
1500540;1468109857;asciilifeform;snore.
1500541;1468110063;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500397 << 'nato will happily fight russia to the last finnish soldier.' -- putin
1500542;1468110063;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 19:48 mats: there have been rumblings of .fi and .se joining nato for a little while now
1500543;1468110162;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D0AC0C30BC34D89A0030FEE5CF3B72AAD12A5CA8957EAE53A26562A2707AC0BD
1500544;1468110171;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/883B06E873C07E5B89D390661892DF1B8A06B6026A6BBB63475B2E6002AE1E11
1500545;1468110176;asciilifeform;^ for anyone who wants the keyz.
1500546;1468110199;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ qntra ?
1500547;1468110225;BingoBoingo;gringing it
1500548;1468110398;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500503 << rotor builds armv5 binary and it is THREE MOTHERFUCKING LINES to change in the build script WTF11111
1500549;1468110398;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 22:25 shinohai: same here really, i have had this thing for so long now, with ssd. but no way to build binary in an easy fashion
1500550;1468110522;trinque;corollary to read teh logz is read the sauce!
1500551;1468110532;*;trinque goes to get drunk on margaritas
1500552;1468110542;trinque;happy halvening!
1500553;1468110583;asciilifeform;'Why the DAO robber could very well return the ETH on July 14th' << pass the lsd.
1500554;1468110609;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500439 << pass moar lsd.
1500555;1468110609;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 20:55 summerverbose: I write software for a non-VC-funded company that expands Bitcoin accessibility around the world
1500556;1468110633;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500440 << did somebody leave a hatch open or wat, though which folks without elementary trace element of a clue wander in
1500557;1468110633;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 20:55 summerverbose: which I believe, based on my current pay grade, qualifies as public good :)
1500558;1468110643;asciilifeform;where do they come from ?
1500559;1468110647;asciilifeform;what are they looking for here.
1500560;1468110689;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500330 << this is approx as exciting as new year day.
1500561;1468110689;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 16:47 ben_vulpes: 420001
1500562;1468110901;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500558 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-26#1416370
1500563;1468110901;a111;Logged on 2016-02-26 22:57 phf: ^- http://buttersafe.com/comics/2008-10-23-Detour.jpg
1500564;1468110901;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:30 asciilifeform: where do they come from ?
1500565;1468110956;asciilifeform;must be.
1500566;1468111555;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500317 << and i need tornados for....?
1500567;1468111555;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 15:35 BingoBoingo: In other news, a Tornado hit Metropolis. Another candidate for Alfugee settlement, just not as cheap or black as Cairo. Also has Casino nao.
1500568;1468111688;BingoBoingo;Why don't you need tornados? Live a little!
1500569;1468111744;asciilifeform;why not i simply take all of my possessions and put in a pyre, pour petrol, light
1500570;1468111750;asciilifeform;cheaper than moving
1500571;1468111765;asciilifeform;and waiting to be tornadoes in il or burgled in bmore
1500572;1468111904;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4761
1500573;1468111957;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4759
1500574;1468111973;asciilifeform;meanwhile, https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/senior-official-at-washington-think-tank-fatally-stabbed-in-baltimore-park/2016/07/09/01e478c6-45fd-11e6-88d0-6adee48be8bc_story.html
1500575;1468112003;asciilifeform;'A 59-year-old woman who was a senior official at a Washington think-tank was fatally stabbed in Baltimore’s Roland Park neighborhood as she was walking her dogs Friday night, police said.'
1500576;1468112023;asciilifeform;'Macauley was the vice president for research and a senior fellow with Resources for the Future in Washington. She first joined the organization in 1993. She was an adjunct economics professor at Johns Hopkins University for nearly 20 years.'
1500577;1468112031;asciilifeform;problemz!
1500578;1468112084;asciilifeform;'Macauley published dozens of journal articles on science and policy and received numerous awards for her work, she also testified before Congress 10 times, according to her curriculum vitae.'
1500579;1468112124;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ^ BLUE zone incidentally.
1500580;1468112151;BingoBoingo;lol
1500581;1468112467;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if you feel like it, try and ferret out what macauley might have done to earn havingproblemz.
1500582;1468112483;asciilifeform;could make for neato qntra piece.
1500583;1468112503;BingoBoingo;I may have to
1500584;1468113527;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500540 << omaigerd they're something!
1500585;1468113527;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:17 asciilifeform: snore.
1500586;1468113596;asciilifeform;anybody wanna do the deed ? ( take that key, log in , see ...  )
1500587;1468113965;mircea_popescu;heh
1500588;1468113977;mircea_popescu;and omg this coffee's fabulous
1500589;1468114004;*;mircea_popescu bought 1kg of costa rica ; kenya and sumatra. is having a taste off. jesus christ they're wunderbar.
1500590;1468114200;*;asciilifeform still has not found the mythical wholly unburned coffee in usaschwitz 
1500591;1468114282;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500553 << it's the atlantic, gawker & rest of "mainstream" in their own minds crapolade. 1. "an event happened, here's what i was doing at that exact time : {picking my nose|wiping drool off chin|clicking through pictures of redditards / stuff cats wrote} ; 2. "here's why X real entity that doesn't give a shit about us ~might very well~ do Y thing that's only relevant in our context".
1500592;1468114282;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:29 asciilifeform: 'Why the DAO robber could very well return the ETH on July 14th' << pass the lsd.
1500593;1468114296;mircea_popescu;that's fucking it, 99.x% of the whole shebang and the rest consists of typographical errors.
1500594;1468114372;mircea_popescu;some venues also publish "scientific research", but it's very much 2 : "here's what [known to be broken] statistical models said about [dubious, low sample] data : Y item only meaningful in our context may correlate to Z item only meaningful in our context!"
1500595;1468114403;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i vaguely regret not finding this shop earlier, would have ladden the lot of you with real coffee.
1500596;1468114419;mircea_popescu;it is in fact so good womandom voluntarily switched from filter to cooking by hand.
1500597;1468114432;asciilifeform;i gotta fill a suitcase with that, on next tour
1500598;1468114451;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500559 << shut up and take it bitch, you're famous now.
1500599;1468114451;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:30 asciilifeform: what are they looking for here.
1500600;1468114458;asciilifeform;lel
1500601;1468114786;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500569 << tornado hits for >9000 WIND damage, not FIRE damage. jeez. learn your pokemons!
1500602;1468114786;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:49 asciilifeform: why not i simply take all of my possessions and put in a pyre, pour petrol, light
1500603;1468114819;asciilifeform;dun care which of the four alchemical elements, end is the same.
1500604;1468114858;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500575 << let me guess, this is really the washington-thinktank-gendarmerie plan getting rid of those pesky washington-local-thinktanks ? plan proceeding according to plan ?
1500605;1468114858;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:53 asciilifeform: 'A 59-year-old woman who was a senior official at a Washington think-tank was fatally stabbed in Baltimore’s Roland Park neighborhood as she was walking her dogs Friday night, police said.'
1500606;1468114872;asciilifeform;i got nuffin
1500607;1468114884;*;mircea_popescu grinz
1500608;1468114894;asciilifeform;spent all day in mothefucking open air zoo
1500609;1468114903;asciilifeform;out a bumper
1500610;1468114912;mircea_popescu;what's out a bumper ?
1500611;1468114914;asciilifeform;bought 0 houses.
1500612;1468114921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: car.
1500613;1468114938;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry... you... lost a bumper that was attached to your car previously ?
1500614;1468114973;asciilifeform;still attached, but nearing end of useful life
1500615;1468114974;mircea_popescu;jesus they must be mixing some pretty strong cockroach powder in the smack these days, idiots stole the bumper instead of the wheels ?
1500616;1468114978;mircea_popescu;ah
1500617;1468114981;asciilifeform;long snorestory
1500618;1468114985;mircea_popescu;k nm
1500619;1468114998;*;BingoBoingo wants to here Snorey
1500620;1468115004;asciilifeform;folx in monkeylandia drive like maniacs etc
1500621;1468115009;BingoBoingo;AHA
1500622;1468115058;mircea_popescu;hey, just because you don't drive well is no excuse to oppress teh muslim brotherhood!
1500623;1468115068;asciilifeform;evidently
1500624;1468115080;deedbot;[Qntra] Phuctor Finds RSA Collision In SSH Key Dump - http://qntra.net/2016/07/phuctor-finds-rsa-collision-in-ssh-key-dump/
1500625;1468115090;asciilifeform;more interestingly, policeman refused to create paperworx
1500626;1468115091;mircea_popescu;they can follow sixteen bodies moving in arbitrary directions on the basis of the FIFTH derivative of velocity! so nyah.
1500627;1468115111;asciilifeform;asked 'which one of you shot? nobody? get outta me face'
1500628;1468115190;asciilifeform;'greek chorus' of angry white hobos, both sexes, raged, woman to cop: 'no wonder folks shoot you lot!111'
1500629;1468115216;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/4s3ef3/phuctor_finds_rsa_collision_in_ssh_key_dump/
1500630;1468115221;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500581 << how about, usg lost the capacity to protect its underbelly ; http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-16#798049 and other flondor discussions, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-24#1211091 etc.
1500631;1468115221;a111;Logged on 2015-07-24 00:19 mircea_popescu: and i'll say this to assuage your doubts : i am the man who said "you are not safe, for we know where you live". a year and change later, reality has borne my saying : the entire usg employee list, leaked. etc.
1500632;1468115221;a111;Logged on 2014-08-16 02:38 mircea_popescu: in short : your notion that sitting with the usg is safe and joining the rebels is dangerous is fundamentally broken. sitting with the usg is safe except if the rebels get the upper hand.
1500633;1468115221;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 01:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you feel like it, try and ferret out what macauley might have done to earn havingproblemz.
1500634;1468115241;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: neato, ty
1500635;1468115248;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: yw
1500636;1468115277;BingoBoingo;Sorry for your loss [bumper,prolly actually just bumper cover]
1500637;1468115323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dunno that it ever much cared re underbelly, intern chix in dc have a certain popescuation rate for many years now
1500638;1468115336;mircea_popescu;59 yo. senior. congress coolie.
1500639;1468115343;mircea_popescu;very underbelly.
1500640;1468115358;asciilifeform;i'd still like to know how it earned the spot of honour
1500641;1468115364;asciilifeform;of a good knife
1500642;1468115367;BingoBoingo;Related the seekrit is out https://www.reddit.com/r/security/comments/4s1279/pok%C3%A9mon_go/
1500643;1468115373;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "while working of a dump " << working off ? on ?
1500644;1468115395;BingoBoingo;ty fxd to on
1500645;1468115448;mircea_popescu;"suggesting that they may correspond to shitty DSL modems" << which may translate to shitty DSL modems
1500646;1468115530;mircea_popescu;a man reportedly called 911 and when a police officer arrive at the << arrived
1500647;1468115566;mircea_popescu;that peace in our time thing fucking delivers.
1500648;1468115578;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd all
1500649;1468115581;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1500650;1468115665;BingoBoingo;Because whose it is it nao
1500651;1468122660;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500560 << unmentioned point is that 000 went by so fast i saw 001 instead when watching
1500652;1468122660;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:31 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500330 << this is approx as exciting as new year day.
1500653;1468123426;mod6;i was able to get that 0.001 to the foundation into 420`000 :]
1500654;1468123445;mod6;trb
1500655;1468124494;mircea_popescu;wd
1500656;1468124712;mircea_popescu;and in other sporting news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/4c97af0cb1fb835cc74215ee148a40d7/tumblr_nes7haFmxI1tmpumko1_500.jpg
1500657;1468125211;hanbot;http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118023 << mats mircea_popescu & anyone else following the courts circus awarding thingie.
1500658;1468125312;mircea_popescu;that's a new one
1500659;1468125364;mod6;right?
1500660;1468125522;hanbot;well it *is* halving day
1500661;1468125531;mod6;haha
1500662;1468126111;BingoBoingo;The best jokes have a price
1500663;1468147642;shinohai; 01:01 +BingoBoingo AH, what would halving day be without a netsplit!   <<<bwahahaha
1500664;1468156045;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12ld
1500665;1468156046;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1500666;1468158050;asciilifeform;'Investigators were digging into Johnson’s military history and are seeking to corroborate reports that he was sent home from Afghanistan after a woman lodged a complaint of sexual harassment against him in 2014, another federal law enforcement official said.'
1500667;1468158861;mats;o good
1500668;1468158950;mats;i'd like to see the documents related to his other than honorable discharge
1500669;1468159122;mats;i think i can look at the transcript of the courts martial if i submit a foia
1500670;1468160126;Framedragger;woohoo re. ssh keys :) good stuff. lol @ teh dsl provider.
1500671;1468160654;mats;lol he lived with his mother
1500672;1468161617;BingoBoingo;mats: So did Adam Lanza
1500673;1468162162;deedbot;[Qntra] Meh Of The Week: Coinbase Can't Serve Canada - http://qntra.net/2016/07/meh-of-the-week-coinbase-cant-serve-canada/
1500674;1468162279;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1500675;1468162285;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 640.86, vol: 3708.76598623 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 627.101, vol: 4856.0405 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 641.33, vol: 35638.29162886 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 664.66, vol: 0.22444484 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 645.093995, vol: 33620.95050000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 643.0, vol: 1384.80978332 | Volume-weighted last average: 642.062583131
1500676;1468162387;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1500677;1468162405;BingoBoingo;yw,no ty
1500678;1468162572;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500427   <<< so great are the lulz that they compare themselves to BArmstrong, who can't sell pretend Bitcoin to Pete.
1500679;1468162572;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 20:43 summerverbose: somewhere inbetween Dooglus and Brian Armstrong
1500680;1468162806;shinohai;http://archive.is/Kozmr   <<< is 7 hrs for *full* bc ?
1500681;1468163051;mircea_popescu;so did steve jobs
1500682;1468163175;mircea_popescu;shinohai the disadvantage of making popular things is that you become part of the "X like Y" mill.
1500683;1468163200;mircea_popescu;the reason there isn't a "the northrop derpmann of toasters" is just that happenstance.
1500684;1468163515;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the reason there isn't a "the northrop derpmann of toasters" is just that happenstance. << There totally is. I will totally make a stealth toaster for anyone who brings pays 2.5 billion USD per unit straight from the printer.
1500685;1468163528;BingoBoingo;Offer valid through October 2016
1500686;1468163551;mircea_popescu;isn't it supposed to ding when your stealthoast is ready ?
1500687;1468163563;BingoBoingo;Ding isn't very stealthy
1500688;1468163569;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1500689;1468163766;BingoBoingo;Also can't expose it to sunlight or heat lest stealth material start breaking down.
1500690;1468163848;mircea_popescu;so it's for hunting spherical vacuum chickens ?|
1500691;1468163896;BingoBoingo;Nah, its for toasting. Just not around Serbs (they'll shoot it down)
1500692;1468164050;BingoBoingo;Determining what it will toast though is another 5 billion USD in development fees paid in advance.
1500693;1468164221;mircea_popescu;lol
1500694;1468164703;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500678 << heh you make it sound as though pete is buyer numba one of imaginary bitcoinz
1500695;1468164703;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 14:56 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500427   <<< so great are the lulz that they compare themselves to BArmstrong, who can't sell pretend Bitcoin to Pete.
1500696;1468164736;shinohai;i was just ribbing pete for being Canadian
1500697;1468164765;shinohai;No one wants Bryancoinz
1500698;1468165017;asciilifeform;$s BArmstrong
1500699;1468165017;a111;3 results for "BArmstrong", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=BArmstrong
1500700;1468165029;asciilifeform;who the hell was that
1500701;1468165146;mircea_popescu;you know what a barn is right ?
1500702;1468165159;mircea_popescu;barm similar, measure of bogon radioactivity.
1500703;1468165171;asciilifeform;l0l!
1500704;1468165181;mircea_popescu;hence the english "are you barmy ?"
1500705;1468165183;asciilifeform;bogon cross-section!111
1500706;1468165223;asciilifeform;(for n00bz: 'barn'
1500707;1468165226;asciilifeform; is unit of area
1500708;1468165234;mircea_popescu;10 ^ -28 sqm
1500709;1468165244;asciilifeform;originates with manhattan project, and american expression 'ya can't hit the broad side of a barn')
1500710;1468165313;deedbot;[Qntra] Derp Summit At Bretton Woods Begins Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/derp-summit-at-bretton-woods-begins-today/
1500711;1468165428;asciilifeform;'This collaboration will produce a model for bitcoin and blockchain-based companies that also addresses the concerns of regulatory entities.' << l0l!!
1500712;1468165488;mircea_popescu;right. amusing how they carefully omit the only thing that matters in that sentence, the expression "YET ANOTHER" right before "model".
1500713;1468165498;mircea_popescu;but by all means, keep pretendin' you're in control, twerps.
1500714;1468165564;asciilifeform;but hey! this time they will use the magic of the magic forest!111
1500715;1468165600;BingoBoingo;ANd they will all sit in a circlejerk and ski the dicks next to them
1500716;1468165653;mircea_popescu;ah okthen.
1500717;1468165665;mircea_popescu;that is totally not like how it went before.
1500718;1468165701;BingoBoingo;Well that's how 1944 Bretton Woods work, through the bond created by touching all those other people's dicks.
1500719;1468165731;BingoBoingo;Either that or Hitler really did get all the Jews
1500720;1468165806;BingoBoingo;Or all the mercantile ones leaving just the depressing entertainer ones
1500721;1468165807;mircea_popescu;he got the good ones
1500722;1468165840;mircea_popescu;that's the fucking scary thing there - he got all the good jews, leaving some shitty jews to fill the void. it's ~exactly what the usg did to the us : killed the competent mobsters, now there's inexplicable problems.
1500723;1468165898;mircea_popescu;in similar autoimmune-disorders-that-destroyed-countries, stalin wiped the russian mob ; inexplicably hruscev couldn't get the economy going, not ever again.
1500724;1468165899;mircea_popescu;life.
1500725;1468169161;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1500726;1468169163;gribble;Current Blocks: 420158 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1185 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1500727;1468169266;shinohai;"I've made 4 sales, but one was to myself"  http://archive.is/IsqUn
1500728;1468169326;mircea_popescu;how the fuck is open bazaar "a young platform" ffs.
1500729;1468169339;mircea_popescu;it's been around almost as long as "colored coins", which incidentally, where the fuck did those go.
1500730;1468169347;mircea_popescu;don't tell me these idiocies DO actually die eventually.
1500731;1468169697;BingoBoingo;They die in the same sense a dandelion "dies" when you pull it up with your hands. There's going to be a bit of herproot left and it may take a while, but it will return.
1500732;1468169770;mircea_popescu;wunderbar.
1500733;1468169878;BingoBoingo;Gotta remember idiocy lives in the dirt
1500734;1468170018;BingoBoingo;If you cant see it at the moment it just hasn't gathered enough Nitardgen and phosboorous to attempt another surfacing yet
1500735;1468170107;mircea_popescu;barmy.
1500736;1468170250;BingoBoingo;Also like dandelions if you spray them with enough triclopyr to injur but not kill them, they will exhibit neoteny when they resurface.
1500737;1468172215;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/07/pokemon-go-ushers-in-new-phase-of-smartphone-surveillance/#comment-63652
1500738;1468172335;deedbot;[Qntra] "Pokemon Go" Ushers In New Phase Of Smartphone Surveillance - http://qntra.net/2016/07/pokemon-go-ushers-in-new-phase-of-smartphone-surveillance/
1500739;1468172349;shinohai;heh
1500740;1468173303;shinohai;;;later tell trinque is there available a dump of deedbot wot? thanks in advance.
1500741;1468173303;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1500742;1468173365;ben_vulpes;cute little love notes in 420000
1500743;1468173500;trinque;$wot
1500744;1468173508;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/4eae0503-b4bc-4312-a142-e88385da67e8/
1500745;1468173508;trinque;shinohai: ^
1500746;1468173537;shinohai;ty!
1500747;1468173703;mircea_popescu;that shit's so cool, you know ?
1500748;1468173714;mircea_popescu;"hey, is there obscure item x ?" "$obscure-x"
1500749;1468173716;mircea_popescu;smokin'.
1500750;1468174533;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500372 << yeah ok, good point..
1500751;1468174533;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 17:31 BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> (some nice dump and pump BTCUSD volume it seems; curious how the price moves in the hours/days to come) << Watch not days, but months
1500752;1468174676;deedbot;[Trilema] Eulorangement - http://trilema.com/2016/eulorangement/
1500753;1468175845;mircea_popescu;$rated Framedragger
1500754;1468175845;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated Framedragger 1 at 2016/05/18 09:29:41 << old timer
1500755;1468175856;mircea_popescu;$rated Framedragger 2 Le ssh!
1500756;1468175857;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1500757;1468175860;mircea_popescu;$rate Framedragger 2 Le ssh!
1500758;1468175862;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b61b2d3a-51e3-4fb7-b2b1-ae0f1032679b/
1500759;1468175863;mircea_popescu;hater!
1500760;1468175920;mircea_popescu;$v A34333A25A35DF2F9D5C6EB387554A65366294DDB7CCB01DEB4FB053DEA66D36
1500761;1468175921;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of Framedragger from 1 to 2 << Le ssh!
1500762;1468176127;Framedragger;heheh, cheers
1500763;1468176242;*;Framedragger unsure how to rate mp, so will wait for the time being. "smart guy, runs things, unsure whether instrumentally delusional or i'm just failing to cognize fully"
1500764;1468176259;Framedragger;"or both"
1500765;1468176330;*;mircea_popescu plans to keep this dilemma going.
1500766;1468176415;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo  http://qntra.net/2016/06/tim-swanson-misunderstanda-reality-again/ << is that a memoranda of misunderstanda ?
1500767;1468176436;mircea_popescu;hawk "it's" immitation...
1500768;1468176439;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I mispelled the title initially, so url is mispelled forever even with title fixd
1500769;1468176447;mircea_popescu;you can also fix the url.
1500770;1468176458;mircea_popescu;wp (at least, mp-wp) will forever 304 the old requests to the new
1500771;1468176492;BingoBoingo;Ah, but url integritit is important
1500772;1468176494;mircea_popescu;i recently blew up a trilema title, someone pointed this out in the log, you can check the thing working there.
1500773;1468176498;mircea_popescu;aite.
1500774;1468176539;BingoBoingo;And anyways there's prolly a joke in ther that would be hampered if url was fxd
1500775;1468180763;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500536 << yeah, hm. suggestions? a non-ad-hoc solution would be to make deedbot split its irc lines as needed i suppose; or for this particular case, not to mention the comment in the gpg key if it's too long, or to truncate it; or to consider shorter gpg comments for these ssh keys in the future i guess..
1500776;1468180763;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 00:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500500 << no good. cuts off url
1500777;1468180837;mircea_popescu;trinque how hard would it be for deedbot to put a \n before any url if the message would be cut in the url otherwise ?
1500778;1468181218;deedbot;[Qntra] WAPO: Major US Socialist Party To Deploy Electoral Nuclear Option In Desperation - http://qntra.net/2016/07/wapo-major-us-socialist-party-to-deploy-electoral-nuclear-option-in-desperation/
1500779;1468181433;ben_vulpes;no link to the wapost?
1500780;1468181448;ben_vulpes;ah no, it's archived. my b
1500781;1468181472;BingoBoingo;Yeah, why would I link directly to zher
1500782;1468181527;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/indoorfun/
1500783;1468181589;shinohai;---END OGLAFBOT MSG---
1500784;1468181634;BingoBoingo;lol
1500785;1468181708;shinohai;Qntra should have a Sunday comics section
1500786;1468181755;jurov;re:oglaf - what does mircea_popescu do with the skulls?
1500787;1468181769;asciilifeform;i always picture ashtray
1500788;1468181772;asciilifeform;like stalin did.
1500789;1468182041;mircea_popescu;isn't that what hitler said ? "what stalin did" ?
1500790;1468182066;mircea_popescu;and in other highschool news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6becb08236dc42fd03aba43304f8027d/tumblr_nr2yxmUYjH1r4hgvyo1_400.gif
1500791;1468182527;asciilifeform;i dun recall hitler sayin' much in his ashtray form.
1500792;1468183108;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] My Favorite EBBITS - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/my-favorite-ebbits/
1500793;1468183550;BingoBoingo;In nearly forgoten news, qntra is now at 1301 poasts
1500794;1468183589;*;asciilifeform switched 'can haz box?' exploration from bmore monkey zoo to woods, log cabins, etc.
1500795;1468183616;BingoBoingo;Ah, congrats
1500796;1468183638;asciilifeform;doubt it will come to any useful result, but worth the periodic try.
1500797;1468183816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quote in der untergang, "alle hoheren offiziere liquidieren zu lassen, wie stalin!!!1"
1500798;1468183853;asciilifeform;l0lk
1500799;1468183884;jurov;no mention of Hirndeckel disposition?
1500800;1468183923;mircea_popescu;no mention.
1500801;1468183943;mircea_popescu;tho it is recorded most polish can be found at katyn
1500802;1468183963;asciilifeform;phun phakt: there is a titanic katyn memorial thing in bmore
1500803;1468183974;mircea_popescu;classically. modernly, where did they scatter that plane ? smolensk was it ?
1500804;1468183995;asciilifeform;the one with the drunken, belligerent president ?
1500805;1468183999;asciilifeform;or which
1500806;1468184014;asciilifeform;(in pl circles, incident often referred to as 'katyn II')
1500807;1468184015;mircea_popescu;president, most of the general staff, natl bank president, ex president, etc
1500808;1468184049;asciilifeform;aha, putin's bad-weather rayz.
1500809;1468184052;asciilifeform;great weapon.
1500810;1468184519;mircea_popescu;i dunno man. seemed at the time and still seems today like polish suicide.
1500811;1468185568;BingoBoingo;I'd rather my polish have a bit more grit than that.
1500812;1468186058;jurov;http://imgur.com/I2GsQGE just saw today :)
1500813;1468186167;jurov;"homoimperium" sounds like something i'd want to move in
1500814;1468187051;danielpbarron;;;later tell mircea_popescu gpg-gram : http://danielpbarron.com/church.asc.txt
1500815;1468187052;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1500816;1468188246;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron good work. so the practical question here is, would you be personally interested in running a us tmsr church ?
1500817;1468188564;mircea_popescu;jurov lol why are they dressed in gay suits ?!
1500818;1468188567;danielpbarron;not if i have to seriously worship a false god or something. Or lie about worshipping one. If I have full control of the doctrine and what is taught (strictly The Bible, specifically as it is interpreted by Darwin Fish on atruechurch.info) then I might be interested
1500819;1468188621;shinohai;but conjuring demons is fun.
1500820;1468188622;mircea_popescu;well, on one hand certainly one can't have a church worshipping a false god ; as far as practice goes you can't have full control of the doctrine cuz it being a church, it has to have a metaphysical component.
1500821;1468188754;danielpbarron;in the sense that God causes everything, nobody has "full control" over anything, but I mean my control vs yours or anyone in here -- say if you wanted me to teach something that contradicted The Bible
1500822;1468188901;mircea_popescu;well... nothing right can contradict rigthness, all right things are one. so in principle they shouldn't.
1500823;1468188906;jurov;you can always use the simulation loophole, like "even some atheists say that we live in simulated universe, so it's likely God saved cycles and really started the sim for 6400 years ago, and other things Bible says likewise"
1500824;1468188923;shinohai;if elected as leader danielpbarron, do we have to worry about you using tmsr funds to build a giant ark, or anything of that sort? :D
1500825;1468188960;mircea_popescu;but more practically : at issue is the theological consideration of whether [so far mostly unstated] tmsr.theological-doctrine actually does or does not contradict the form of christianity you were importing there
1500826;1468188967;mircea_popescu;(with which i'm personally not too familiar)
1500827;1468188991;mircea_popescu;exploring this a little will certainly be beneficial, if for no other reason then because it'll force statement of the foregoing
1500828;1468189066;danielpbarron;shinohai, God promised us that He would never again destroy the world with a flood (Genesis 9:11) so no ark is necessary
1500829;1468189086;*;mircea_popescu feels pretty flooded in buterins.
1500830;1468189131;mircea_popescu;arguable i guess if it's actually destroying the world or just making it smell bad
1500831;1468189143;shinohai;perfect rebuttal (and actual biblical logic!) danielpbarron
1500832;1468189213;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron theology aside for a moment, there's three major components in my mind here.
1500833;1468189234;danielpbarron;my form of Chistianity does not forbid: drinking, drugs, gambling, slavery -- but it does forbid: adultery (taking another man's wife), murder (unjustified killing), homosexuality (sorry jurov), fornication (probably the biggest sticking point)
1500834;1468189254;mircea_popescu;one is that, well, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-03#1359593
1500835;1468189254;a111;Logged on 2016-01-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: but seriously - a dozen kegs is what ? nothing, for the finance almighty republic. get a dozen sluts to shirtoff with the kegs, it's a go.
1500836;1468189276;mircea_popescu;next time something like that blows up, i'd much rather there's a whole church apparatus ready to go, rather than having to fish random people from portland for the purpose.
1500837;1468189307;mircea_popescu;another is that, well, its a much better way to hold real estate than anything alf came up with to date. since he's decided he's not moving because he's ax-crazy or something, this is the logical next step
1500838;1468189332;mircea_popescu;having a nice party house somewhere, free if you're in the wot sort of thing, can't hurt anyone.
1500839;1468189357;mircea_popescu;and thirdly - you go to porcfest, right ? next time, you can go properly, set up a donation and ecumenic drive.
1500840;1468189362;danielpbarron;heh
1500841;1468189379;mircea_popescu;so, sensible it is. whether it's workable or not hopefully can be resolved.
1500842;1468189475;Framedragger;jurov: heh. bible as a list of optimisation heuristics for simulating the 'verse
1500843;1468189491;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron back to theology : it's one thing to forbid, it's another thing to enforce. does it also forbid, say, sitting in a room with "known fornicators" for instace ? up to a point it'll be their sin - their problem.
1500844;1468189514;jurov;Framedragger: yeah, the fornication takes up most of teh precious cycles
1500845;1468189527;danielpbarron;not for a time, but it's not ok to "have fellowship" with known sinners
1500846;1468189537;mircea_popescu;how are they to be helped  then ?
1500847;1468189542;mircea_popescu;obviously teaching is fellowship.
1500848;1468189546;Framedragger;jurov: clearly. too much irreducible qualia, or sth
1500849;1468189559;danielpbarron;and yeah, obviously I'm not gonna enforce the death penalty for adultery and whatnot, just teach that it is wrong etc..
1500850;1468189613;danielpbarron;I can't pray with known unbelievers. Teaching is ok.
1500851;1468189653;mircea_popescu;i suspect much more serious sticking points will come the other way. specifically, i suspect tmsr to be a larger intellectual force than whosoever darwin fish is, as a temporal rather than spiritual matter. consequently, the sticking point will not be inferences from him limiting us, but inferences from us driving him up the wall. for instance, obvious possible sticking point being that in tmsr doctrine, it is a sin to engage
1500852;1468189654;mircea_popescu; in "group" charity.
1500853;1468189688;danielpbarron;Darwin invites criticism via email -- see his contact page :D
1500854;1468189717;*;asciilifeform tunes in, takes in this very promising lulfest
1500855;1468189723;mircea_popescu;well, but i mean what exactly is the relation there. does it matter to the symbol "a true church" what the person "darwin fish" says ? where exactly is your loyalty there or how does this work ?
1500856;1468189746;*;mircea_popescu personally couldn't give less of a crap about the entire thing other than it being in danielpbarron 's wot.
1500857;1468189748;danielpbarron;I agree with his interpretation, and have met him and his family in person
1500858;1468189769;mircea_popescu;so if he tomorrow says white people must paint their skin black, do you follow or schism or what ?!
1500859;1468189843;danielpbarron;I'd compare what he said to what The Bible says (i'm sure he'd cite chapter and verse) and if I didn't think it checked out I'd challenge him on it
1500860;1468189853;mircea_popescu;so is your agreement to the interpretation the turning stone ?
1500861;1468189870;danielpbarron;yeah, we must agree or else one or both of us is on our way to hell
1500862;1468189882;mircea_popescu;suppose you figured out, entirely correctly as far as you can tell, and otherwise irreducibly in any manner, that indeed white people must paint black. and he says that's ridiculous. what do you do now, give it up ? give him up ?
1500863;1468189930;danielpbarron;I'm not against changing my mind -- even recently thought I had to repent of something, although it turns out to have been a bit premature
1500864;1468189963;mircea_popescu;so in the end, we've very little to work on here. do you figure this fellow could be enticed to show up here sometime ?
1500865;1468190008;mircea_popescu;and meanwhile - all teh wot peoples, please do consider the matter to the outreach of your abilities. were there a tmsr theology, what'd it say and what'd it look like ? what wouldn't it say and what would it not look like ? and why and wherefore.
1500866;1468190032;mircea_popescu;for that matter - CAN there even be such a thing.
1500867;1468190064;mircea_popescu;traditionally this matter is approached by naming "a commission" but we're blessed with numbers low enough to have direct archy!
1500868;1468190065;danielpbarron;heh, really hard to say. I haven't been keeping in contact with him at all. Come to think of it I'd want to ask him ahead of time if he thinks registering a church with the USG is against the Word or not (he's not a big fan of USG -- prolly a plus)
1500869;1468190119;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron at the very least the devil can't testify. who cares what the usg thinks you've done, nobody's liable to ask it, nor may it likely acquire a voice without losing itself.
1500870;1468190190;mircea_popescu;(this is yet another, if rather central, reason why plea bargains are so powerful, and http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ ) : i couldn't give less of a shit what usg SAYS you did or didn't do or whatever. but if you say it yourself, well...
1500871;1468190257;danielpbarron;I used that to my advantage in getting a traffic ticket dropped recently: the cop tried to get me to show remorse, I said nothing, prosecutor threw it out
1500872;1468190407;mircea_popescu;heh
1500873;1468192273;jurov;For one, i'd like to see aliens and Our Lady Eris in tmsr belief system. but sadly i don't think that would work.
1500874;1468192772;BingoBoingo;Gotta have the struggle between the reptilians and avians in there.
1500875;1468193062;BingoBoingo;prolly best told through the eternal war between ants and termites as a metaphor
1500876;1468194292;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500777 << not hard; I'll do that
1500877;1468194292;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 20:00 mircea_popescu: trinque how hard would it be for deedbot to put a \n before any url if the message would be cut in the url otherwise ?
1500878;1468194329;trinque;and generally let it do multiple messages for any that would otherwise truncate
1500879;1468194918;mircea_popescu;eh aliens. for the same money you can worship pacific islanders.
1500880;1468194944;mircea_popescu;trinque well... kinda iffy if they get too long
1500881;1468196422;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500837 << eh wat? i'd totally move. just depends where.
1500882;1468196422;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 22:21 mircea_popescu: another is that, well, its a much better way to hold real estate than anything alf came up with to date. since he's decided he's not moving because he's ax-crazy or something, this is the logical next step
1500883;1468196457;asciilifeform;and would work as shaman, also, if there is opening.
1500884;1468196501;*;asciilifeform dun presently own a working chukcha mouth harp, would have to make one.
1500885;1468196603;mircea_popescu;well, maybe an ocarina or something.
1500886;1468196643;asciilifeform;also worx.
1500887;1468196649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it occurs to me that, as per earlier discussion re anthropology etc, "it's a religious artefact!!!" best covers most of the things you make anyway
1500888;1468196668;asciilifeform;sure does.
1500889;1468196678;asciilifeform;why do you think i introduce myself to folks as 'i work as shaman'
1500890;1468196694;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwi4kBX3Wmo << related.
1500891;1468196926;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj6qJ0prBk4 << more, imho, illustrative.
1500892;1468197142;*;phf owns a chukcha mouth harp, can lend asciilifeform
1500893;1468197247;phf;i feel like there was a ru fad on those things, kind of like indian flutes or whatever stateside
1500894;1468197827;mircea_popescu;sounds more like homebrew libertards
1500895;1468197837;mircea_popescu;"oh, why can't we all get along, look, mouth harps!"
1500896;1468197905;mircea_popescu;but fwiw, they have them in the ozarks, slovakia, you name it.
1500897;1468198836;shinohai;http://archive.is/uZzZO
1500898;1468199796;phf;mircea_popescu: i think that's an american take. in 90s russia mouth harps distinctly meant "these kicks are nothing, some people out there in chuchka land or whatever have been getting some serious kicks for a while now"
1500899;1468199975;phf;it was part of the whole influx of alternative knowledge that was pretty inaccessible during su (or in any case was a thing for select few), so some people got into zen, others mouth harps and muhomors
1500900;1468200909;asciilifeform;as illustrated for n00bs in iconic film 'generation p'
1500901;1468201313;shinohai;ya leave two guys from Alabama alone in a forest http://archive.is/f5fdT
1500902;1468201712;mircea_popescu;phf yeah but it's been meaning the same in au bush and ozark rural communities and etc.
1500903;1468201745;mircea_popescu;and yes, "countercultural" of the 70s/80s connections, you name it.
1500904;1468202027;mircea_popescu;shinohai not bad lol, was it you ?
1500905;1468202132;shinohai;not i, but came in my snapshillbot feed
1500906;1468202142;mircea_popescu;-10 too.
1500907;1468202152;mircea_popescu;by now r/btc is a pretty decent inverse signal i imagine
1500908;1468202719;mircea_popescu;fun fact : the poles are responsible for two out of the total of two cfit accidents since the introduction of egpws.
1500909;1468202852;mircea_popescu;(the 2010 smolensk plowing experiment being preceded by a 2008 similar incident at home, which only killed a bunch of military people and resulted in five firings etc.)
1500910;1468205059;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ?
1500911;1468205169;mircea_popescu; BingoBoingo "people thought they were for voting for when" wtf ?
1500912;1468205389;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500910 << mno. ~promise~ to : wholly different thing. incidentally it was part of obummer's platform also. just as 'ufo disclosure' was part of carter's (yes)
1500913;1468205389;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 02:44 mircea_popescu: ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ?
1500914;1468205416;asciilifeform;usg promises are worth slightly less than farts.
1500915;1468205596;mircea_popescu;well, the more "read my lips : no new taxes" element of hussein bahamas' platform was "closing guantanamo ; getting out of iraq" etc.
1500916;1468206574;mircea_popescu;and in other scary fupa news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8e1458303aa661c09bf0695d9d9b876b/tumblr_ns0aexd2jj1tsophbo5_400.gif
1500917;1468208541;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu>  BingoBoingo "people thought they were for voting for when" wtf ? << cleaner. Choom gang was a meme from Bahamas pot smoking days
1500918;1468208626;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ahahahaha wait, hilary is going to legalize ganja because of trump ? << yes
1500919;1468208656;BingoBoingo;Not necessarily Trump, but the people who were supposed to split Trump's base are splitting hers
1500920;1468210660;Joshua-I;mircea_popescu: a very good example of this behaviour is the construction of English gardens in the 17-19th centuries abouts when they were most popular
1500921;1468210783;Joshua-I;They frequently used allusions to other works only other nobles would know
1500922;1468210796;Joshua-I;;;bc,convert usd
1500923;1468210797;gribble;1 BTC = 654.97 USD = 654.97 usd
1500924;1468210801;Joshua-I;Neat
1500925;1468212452;Joshua-I;;;bcstats
1500926;1468212454;gribble;Current Blocks: 420224 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 1119 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 12 hours, 14 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1500927;1468214180;Joshua-I;I think we should all take a moment to appreciate the classic: http://jerkcity.com
1500928;1468214433;mats;this is not good
1500929;1468214573;mats;there is nothing redeeming about it
1500930;1468214932;Joshua-I;It has its moments
1500931;1468215231;Joshua-I;Also mentionable as the comic that linked to ebbits
1500932;1468238875;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo woman is crumbling ; coincidentally (of course) it all started just about when mp heard about the bullshit dem party scamcoin ideas.
1500933;1468238899;mircea_popescu;;;later tell Joshua-I which this ?
1500934;1468238899;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1500935;1468238903;mircea_popescu;$up drowngodx
1500936;1468238903;deedbot;drowngodx voiced for 30 minutes.
1500937;1468238907;BingoBoingo;No. She was never together.
1500938;1468238913;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo also tru.
1500939;1468238917;mircea_popescu;but hey, alf had notions :D
1500940;1468238966;BingoBoingo;Incidently if the anybody but Trump thing had worked, the FBI press conference thing would have likely been the end of her run.
1500941;1468238979;mircea_popescu;myeah
1500942;1468238979;BingoBoingo;Or so people say.
1500943;1468238993;BingoBoingo;nevermind that it apparently couldn't have worked this year
1500944;1468239012;mircea_popescu;that poor woman. have you seen her as a young derp ? quite fuckable.
1500945;1468239022;mircea_popescu;but instead of joining a master's dungeon and being a happy slave,
1500946;1468239036;mircea_popescu;she had to go into "politics" and well... she sure as fuck got a heaping helping of democratic rape.
1500947;1468239047;mircea_popescu;first, gotta lie about bill. now, gotta lie about a candidacy SHE DIDNT EVEN WANT.
1500948;1468239084;mircea_popescu;hilary should really be a very informative example for all teenaged girls today : NOTHING slavery inflicts upon you is quite as bad as what "being a successful" mainstream derp does to you.
1500949;1468239097;mircea_popescu;better rope burn than radiation burn. remember that.
1500950;1468239643;deedbot;[Qntra] Further Violence In United States Over The Weekend - http://qntra.net/2016/07/further-violence-in-united-states-over-the-weekend/
1500951;1468239752;thestringpuller;Wayward Pines
1500952;1468239831;BingoBoingo;One linlk in there just didn't want to archive.
1500953;1468239926;mircea_popescu;"Meanwhile Tyler Gebhard (WOT:nonperson) invaded the home of a police officer in Lakeshire, an upscale suburb in south west St Louis County, Missouri." <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-22#1106480
1500954;1468239926;a111;Logged on 2015-04-22 03:04 ben_vulpes: "we know where you live" (tm)
1500955;1468239973;deedbot;[Trilema] "There is no such thing as rape", one of countless practical exercises. - http://trilema.com/2016/there-is-no-such-thing-as-rape-one-of-countless-practical-exercises/
1500956;1468240027;mircea_popescu;"If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
1500957;1468240071;BingoBoingo;Which schmuck?
1500958;1468240095;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._M._Coetzee
1500959;1468240164;BingoBoingo;FUcking hypocrit. Where's his back alley box?
1500960;1468240176;mircea_popescu;"inarguably the most celebrated and decorated living English-language author", supposedly. a ridiculous notion.
1500961;1468240238;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo australia.
1500962;1468240284;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's many dozens of ~equivalent pulp, british classically educated scribes of "nice" and correct dribblets of fiction.
1500963;1468240312;mircea_popescu;the swedes just picked this one because cock hungry.
1500964;1468241310;BingoBoingo;Oh here's Zr. Coetzee https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnEFZurW8AAEVhA.jpg
1500965;1468241327;mircea_popescu;ahahaah theo tait thinks jessica haines is "much too pretty" for lucy. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/showering-with-panties-on.jpg << this woman. she's too pretty.
1500966;1468241338;mircea_popescu;she's dog ugly, wtf is wrong with people.
1500967;1468241559;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500964 << that's just beautiful. modern art
1500968;1468241559;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 12:48 BingoBoingo: Oh here's Zr. Coetzee https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnEFZurW8AAEVhA.jpg
1500969;1468241620;mircea_popescu;lol.
1500970;1468241634;mircea_popescu;he got a penis somewhere under there or is just "talkin' in general" ?
1500971;1468241677;BingoBoingo;No way to tell
1500972;1468241751;phf;"oh. my. god. you haven't heard? we're aaall hating white people right now. it's so hot. it's fresh. it's happening."
1500973;1468241861;mircea_popescu;wait, i thought a fuck was a good thing
1500974;1468241969;mircea_popescu;fun fact : ru sosloviye (the official social segregation in power throughout most of the period ru was worth the mention, intellectually) distinguished white and black sub classes of the cleric class.
1500975;1468242577;phf;i think catholics have that one too
1500976;1468242664;phf;black being the more hardcore one, i think in russia it was celibacy, and in catholicism being a member of a monk order
1500977;1468242969;mircea_popescu;yeah monks/clerics sorta thing
1500978;1468243012;BingoBoingo;Anyways thinking back to the church thing, hard for tmsr to have a church without it being a proper church meaning a basement for AA, NA, etc meetings
1500979;1468243035;mircea_popescu;sure. i don't see why it wouldn't. once it gets a basement at least.
1500980;1468243088;BingoBoingo;I thought there were theological problems with the thing before re: Darwin Fish
1500981;1468243122;mircea_popescu;well, there's theological problems with everything. i'm for instance not terribly keen on the whole "higher power" stuff.
1500982;1468243234;BingoBoingo;"of your understanding" offers a lot of freedom. Bitcoin likely qualifies as does WoT
1500983;1468243245;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1500984;1468243273;mircea_popescu;but this is my point : there's theological problems with everything. "and often in life, just as there are problems, there are just as often solutions"
1500985;1468243299;BingoBoingo;ah
1500986;1468243409;mircea_popescu;(yes i just quoted the seinfeld rabi. go me.)
1500987;1468243640;BingoBoingo;brb
1500988;1468243869;mircea_popescu;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/350.org << i suspect the number of things which exist strictly in wikipedia and the feverish brains of libertard delusionists by now exceeds the number of things that actually exist.
1500989;1468243907;mircea_popescu;seriously, you put up a website on $1/month hosting, got some kids to pose for a picture sometime in 2010 and had the cointelegraph of whichever market run an article or two ?
1500990;1468243941;mircea_popescu;iiincredibru. i have old shoes with more of an ontic claim.
1500991;1468244018;mircea_popescu;it's not JUST that websites masquerading as "business" and purporting to sell for "billions" notwithstanding they wouldn't gather bids worth 80 btc in an open market a la linkedin, watsap and so on.
1500992;1468244057;mircea_popescu;for each one of these, there's like a billion posturing shits ~nobody knows about carefully recorded by unemployed ditch diggers etc.
1500993;1468244372;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500978 << heh not if i'm involved. like I mentioned months ago: AA is a false religion. I will have no part of it.
1500994;1468244372;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 13:16 BingoBoingo: Anyways thinking back to the church thing, hard for tmsr to have a church without it being a proper church meaning a basement for AA, NA, etc meetings
1500995;1468244393;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron so people trying to kick the habit can't come to your thing ?
1500996;1468244415;danielpbarron;you kick the habit when you believe The Bible. Christ is the only cure. You do not need some other asshole's book
1500997;1468244446;mircea_popescu;the logs aren't in teh bible are they.
1500998;1468244463;danielpbarron;the logs don't save either
1500999;1468244477;mircea_popescu;and if they did ?
1501000;1468244497;danielpbarron;then the logs would be the Bible then i guess
1501001;1468244505;mircea_popescu;hm.
1501002;1468244590;danielpbarron;just like i wouldn't put on a church service preaching the saving grace of the logs, I won't put on a service about how AA saves
1501003;1468244622;mircea_popescu;but these are different concerns. i dunno how it runs, but i don't think there's customarily some guy in the church extolling aa is there ?
1501004;1468244662;mircea_popescu;tho to be honest, my idea of a proper tmsr church would have a strip club / dungeon in the basement rather than a bunch of dudes talking.
1501005;1468244667;mircea_popescu;then again that's just me.
1501006;1468244669;danielpbarron;it's not unlike inviting a muslim to the church to teach islam..
1501007;1468244685;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron we do invite/allow various derps to preach their derp here all the time...
1501008;1468244694;danielpbarron;well this isn't a church
1501009;1468244702;mircea_popescu;i thought it was a cult.
1501010;1468244736;danielpbarron;it may be -- I don't necessarily have a problem with cults so long as they aren't worshipping a false god
1501011;1468244775;mircea_popescu;i wonder if you can have a church that worships no god at all.
1501012;1468244790;thestringpuller;hmm.
1501013;1468244804;danielpbarron;that is a contradiction, at least according to the US legal definition -- a church is literally a "place of worship"
1501014;1468244818;thestringpuller;can you worship nothing?
1501015;1468244819;danielpbarron;and we are all gods, so no matter who you worship..
1501016;1468244824;thestringpuller;isn't that kinda what taoist do?
1501017;1468244827;thestringpuller;the just "exist"
1501018;1468244832;mircea_popescu;hm.
1501019;1468244832;thestringpuller;which is their worship
1501020;1468244856;*;danielpbarron used to be a taoist
1501021;1468244895;danielpbarron;taoism is a kind of self worship if anything
1501022;1468244900;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron well yes, but the q is whether "to worship" is necessarily transitive. is it like "i fuck", with an agent needed and implied if not given explicitly, or is it like "it rains", whereby there's no need for someone to be raining specifically, "it" does.
1501023;1468244944;danielpbarron;yes I think in order to worship you need to have someone to worship
1501024;1468244949;mircea_popescu;and also, can we have the holy texts written in either classical latin or greek ? that way nobody'll understand them.
1501025;1468244974;danielpbarron;Darwin would still :p
1501026;1468244987;danielpbarron;(he reads greek, aramaic, and hebrew)
1501027;1468244989;mircea_popescu;well, ~nobody
1501028;1468245004;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron speaking of the jews, is that a false god also ?
1501029;1468245029;danielpbarron;modern judaism is a false religion -- Jesus Christ is the God of the old testament
1501030;1468245041;mircea_popescu;well "modern judaism", who cares.
1501031;1468245041;danielpbarron;Christians are the true Jews
1501032;1468245045;mircea_popescu;the question is, the god of the torah.
1501033;1468245094;danielpbarron;you mean the old testament? same God as new testament
1501034;1468245095;thestringpuller;danielpbarron: i though taoism was more about worshipping all that exist. like "the universe is great, and good."
1501035;1468245109;thestringpuller;"worship of the universe"
1501036;1468245113;danielpbarron;thestringpuller, I thought of it like "I am the universe looking at itself from within itself"
1501037;1468245125;thestringpuller;i dunno i'm not a theology expert but i'll look more into it!
1501038;1468245139;thestringpuller;cause that stuff interests me a ton
1501039;1468245148;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i see his point, fwiw. it's very infantile "i am great!", so infantile it hasn't even reached the point of individuadion where 2yo goes "and you're not me"
1501040;1468246875;asciilifeform;meanwhile... http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2380_en.htm
1501041;1468246916;asciilifeform;'The Commission has today adopted a proposal to further reinforce EU rules on anti-money laundering to counter terrorist financing and increase transparency about who really owns companies and trusts.... Tackling terrorist financing risks linked to virtual currencies: to prevent misuse of virtual currencies for money laundering and terrorist financing purposes, the Commission proposes to bring virtual currency exchange platforms and
1501042;1468246916;asciilifeform;custodian wallet providers under the scope of the Anti-Money Laundering Directive. These entities will have to apply customer due diligence controls when exchanging virtual for real currencies, ending the anonymity associated with such exchanges'
1501043;1468246958;mircea_popescu;they mean us rules ?
1501044;1468246974;asciilifeform;reich rules.
1501045;1468247000;mircea_popescu;who the fuck trades bitcoin on the fiat websites anyway.
1501046;1468247055;asciilifeform;atomized folk with nobody to otc with ?
1501047;1468247147;mircea_popescu;i guess so.
1501048;1468247171;thestringpuller;i'm almost certain they lose that data often
1501049;1468247196;thestringpuller;When I used to use coinbase it'd ask me like every month to re-verify or some-shit.
1501050;1468247255;thestringpuller;But honestly, capital controls are poor money laundering deterrents. I think all it does is creates higher demand for money laundering as a service.
1501051;1468247560;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 << tr0l0l0l
1501052;1468247560;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
1501053;1468247609;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500953 << a policeman lives in 'upscale' something or other?! and lemme guess, this was reported as 'police brutality' ?
1501054;1468247609;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 12:25 mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile Tyler Gebhard (WOT:nonperson) invaded the home of a police officer in Lakeshire, an upscale suburb in south west St Louis County, Missouri." <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-22#1106480
1501055;1468247721;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller no, it's the misguided belief that hassling people constantly "weeds out" fake accounts. ie, you might get your hands on ONE power bill or w/e, but not a stream of them.
1501056;1468247748;mircea_popescu;also forces you to keep addresses and whatnot current so they can work their inept "big data" bullshit and randomly flag accounts because "risk factors"
1501057;1468247758;mircea_popescu;in a system designed by windows heads and examined by no one ever.
1501058;1468247779;asciilifeform;pioneered by mtgox.
1501059;1468247824;mircea_popescu;of that typical "social media scientific study" flavour, "one guy shot his wife ; previously he had owned a chevy truck and he moved only to addresses with an odd street number; consequently all people who opwn a chevy truck and a history of odd street number inhabitation are suspect"
1501060;1468247844;mircea_popescu;"do you live next to any suspect people ? take the survey!"
1501061;1468247887;mircea_popescu;"other activities you could involve yourself into, periphrastic to the actual nonsense in question, so as to give it the appearance of substance! buy scientific study mugs! do you fucking love science ? watch the podcast blablabla blaBLA BLA BLA"
1501062;1468247896;mircea_popescu;ceasslessly neverendingly like the female chorus of yore.
1501063;1468247931;mircea_popescu;"this is our life" myeah, i can see that.
1501064;1468247941;thestringpuller;https://magoo.github.io/Blockchain-Graveyard/ << mircea_popescu someone followed up on the drama timeline from 2012
1501065;1468247955;mircea_popescu;name's vaguely familiar.
1501066;1468247988;thestringpuller;he didn't put the total loss though just the vulnerability type form the incident
1501067;1468248023;*;mircea_popescu is kinda too disinterested to check out github anything.
1501068;1468248048;asciilifeform;it's a static www hosted, for no reason i can discern, on shithub.
1501069;1468248075;thestringpuller;people too lazy to set up on blogs.
1501070;1468248100;thestringpuller;https://magoo.github.io/Blockchain-Graveyard/advice/ << LOL it's a whole website thing
1501071;1468248114;thestringpuller;with borderling plagarized hanbot content
1501072;1468248136;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm being webracist. i wouldn't go to listen to a band with a myspace page either.
1501073;1468248159;thestringpuller;you wouldn't watch a tv show on youtube?
1501074;1468248184;mircea_popescu;what's your idea of watch ? i don't think i sat through a whole tv show at any point in my lyf.
1501075;1468248599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and the lulziest part of it all being that the "disgraceful" history consists of ... what exactly ? teaching the various fucktards how to not injure themselves eating ?
1501076;1468248609;mircea_popescu;desmond tutu was a fucking anglican bishop. what disgraceful ?
1501077;1468248611;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1501078;1468249007;asciilifeform;there is an entire parallel universe these folks inhabit, where european played roughly the same role as the neck crab parasite in heinlein's story
1501079;1468249014;asciilifeform;and many other marvels, quite opaque to the uninitiated.
1501080;1468249212;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: how many episodes of seinfeld you got under your belt?
1501081;1468249649;mircea_popescu;ah, that counts huh.
1501082;1468249651;mircea_popescu;i saw em all.
1501083;1468249685;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ridoinculous outright. but whatever, nobody cares what the maid thinks her history and contribution to the household is.
1501084;1468249711;shinohai;No soup for you!
1501085;1468249722;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501053 << they'd better, considering that if someone broke through YOUR door and you came out shooting they'd want to try you for murder.
1501086;1468249722;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 14:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500953 << a policeman lives in 'upscale' something or other?! and lemme guess, this was reported as 'police brutality' ?
1501087;1468249768;mircea_popescu;for that matter, as being a "police officer" is the one ustard nobility class they recognize, i wonder how many derps are "police officers" in name only. seems like a pretty decent deal, sign up with the pd dept, show up an hour a month or so, in exchange get weapon and shoot whoever.
1501088;1468249776;mircea_popescu;worth maybe a cool mil or two wouldn't you say ?
1501089;1468249947;mircea_popescu;i guess the drawback is you gotta paint your car like a circus act
1501090;1468249955;mircea_popescu;then again, get sirens. maybe a wash.
1501091;1468250053;shinohai;http://archive.is/kqfuG    <<< forge orders, collect pay in prison
1501092;1468250061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dunno that we have this kind of 'policeman' quite yet.
1501093;1468250066;asciilifeform;sounds more like an orc thing.
1501094;1468250095;asciilifeform;what we ~do~ have is 'private security' schmucks who take the train (!) home from work with ~empty~ holster every night.
1501095;1468250102;asciilifeform;i saw 1,001 of these.
1501096;1468250115;mircea_popescu;eh that's for the birds.
1501097;1468250124;asciilifeform;minimum wage.
1501098;1468250154;mircea_popescu;yeah they figure amply in the "ex bf employment" on slave personal history sheets.
1501099;1468250188;mircea_popescu;"i guess he wanted to be cool and tried as best he could" sorta fellows.
1501100;1468250193;asciilifeform;phun phakt, when i worked at a u.s. army base, it was guarded ENTIRELY by these.
1501101;1468250200;asciilifeform;(why not grunts? nobody knew)
1501102;1468250217;mats;too expensive
1501103;1468250222;asciilifeform;grunts, expensive?!
1501104;1468250228;mats;grunts are too expensive for a lot of things
1501105;1468250233;asciilifeform;they are ~already~ employed, no? why not put them at the door?
1501106;1468250239;asciilifeform;like, you know, in every other country ?
1501107;1468250241;mats;well yes, if you run the math they cost more than civilian slave
1501108;1468250256;mats;because billets exist
1501109;1468250308;asciilifeform;certainly they cost more than a civilian who gets $7/hr and no pensions etc.
1501110;1468250320;asciilifeform;but army has, at any given time, certain contingent of grunts
1501111;1468250328;asciilifeform;what do they do with their time, instead of guarding posts ?
1501112;1468250355;mircea_popescu;incidentally, the reason this "private security" minimum wage derp only exists in ustarded lands is quite simply that in sane societies it's essentially an invitation to violence.
1501113;1468250370;mircea_popescu;kids that'd be perfectly behaved otherwise will sucker punch the runt in uniform. for THAT reason
1501114;1468250376;mircea_popescu;and in my view are quite right in so doing.
1501115;1468250384;mats;practicing small unit tactics i presume, asciilifeform
1501116;1468250413;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, the trick is that if you don't give the "legionnaire" enough amusement he won't wanna join.
1501117;1468250429;asciilifeform;which is why conscription.
1501118;1468250430;mircea_popescu;exactly like late "republic" army, they petitioned successfully to have the imposition of carring the heavy helmet removed
1501119;1468250436;mircea_popescu;the lorica went long ago.
1501120;1468250446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform conscription ?! who the fuck do you know that got conscripted.
1501121;1468250456;mircea_popescu;"you will sit here a year and do what we tell you or else you get shot, bitch" ?
1501122;1468250467;asciilifeform;sop in ru, kr, fi, etc
1501123;1468250471;asciilifeform;prolly most of planet.
1501124;1468250472;mircea_popescu;heh
1501125;1468250500;asciilifeform;'you will guard this door' 'what's in there' 'you're not to know, or you'd steal it yerself'
1501126;1468250581;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had one of the blue-uniform minimum wage folk blow his own brainz out during work hours, right at the gate
1501127;1468250590;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly.
1501128;1468250595;mircea_popescu;it's really the right thing to do, for them.
1501129;1468250604;asciilifeform;prolly it was the one interesting thing he could think of to do in his situation.
1501130;1468250608;mircea_popescu;hence all the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956 talk.
1501131;1468250608;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
1501132;1468250617;asciilifeform;not 1 of these was white.
1501133;1468250626;mircea_popescu;obviously, thy misunderstand wtf is going on. white has nothing to do with it, history idem
1501134;1468250640;mircea_popescu;but the loser opting out is by far the best solution, for him and for the world.
1501135;1468250657;asciilifeform;'winners' feel like guarding doors themselves ?
1501136;1468250666;asciilifeform;or whatever other scutwork
1501137;1468250670;mircea_popescu;winners that need doors guarded haven't won yet.
1501138;1468250675;mircea_popescu;i won once, and can tell you, never bothered to.
1501139;1468250687;mircea_popescu;also, http://trilema.com/2011/spargatorii-si-curva/
1501140;1468250766;mircea_popescu;and judging by the mussolini-cuccia exchange, it's not a unique experience either.
1501141;1468250959;asciilifeform;wasn't speaking of mircea_popescu's personal door, but of the doors to the 1,000,001 resources in the tall pyramid of things he eats.
1501142;1468250971;mircea_popescu;obviously pyramid can't be that tall.
1501143;1468250971;asciilifeform;from nuts and bolts, to wines, to nukes
1501144;1468250987;mircea_popescu;whether this is a drawback or not remains undecided.
1501145;1468251031;asciilifeform;recall the incidents with the stolen servers ?
1501146;1468251043;mircea_popescu;epic case of "haven't won yet"
1501147;1468251063;asciilifeform;in ideal picture, 'nobody would dare', as curtis lemay answered when told to put out his cigar lest he set off the fuel depot
1501148;1468251066;mircea_popescu;you'll know it's not the case anymore once no one wants to as much as touch them.
1501149;1468251076;mircea_popescu;you know, like no one wants to arrest 17yo female black shoplifter.
1501150;1468251091;asciilifeform;eh i've been to the courthouse
1501151;1468251097;asciilifeform;there was a queue of 1,001 of them.
1501152;1468251120;asciilifeform;it isn't a case of 'nobody'd dare' but of 'can't swat every fly'
1501153;1468251120;mircea_popescu;i was discussing the future propaganda not as much the actual reality underneath.
1501154;1468251125;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1501155;1468251135;mircea_popescu;you know, when 17 yo black female is to be gangraped because "her kind" had, decades prior "won"
1501156;1468251136;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The League of Nations, The United Nations, and the myth of collective security. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/11/the-league-of-nations-the-united-nations-and-the-myth-of-collective-security/
1501157;1468251491;asciilifeform;^ 'Ban Ki-moon publicly acknowledged Thursday that he removed the Saudi-led coalition currently bombing Yemen from a blacklist of child killers — 72 hours after it was published — due to a financial threat to defund United Nations programs.' << lel
1501158;1468251502;mircea_popescu;lol
1501159;1468251537;mircea_popescu;"only a rapist if he's poor"
1501160;1468251557;asciilifeform;dan mocsny had, iirc, almost literally this phrase.
1501161;1468251571;mircea_popescu;it's not exactly novel
1501162;1468251579;asciilifeform;sorta how the japanese shinto mathepriests had the calculus.
1501163;1468251744;asciilifeform;re: the church thread:
1501164;1468251779;asciilifeform;my boss and cellmate, at godforsaken rupturefarms, was a licensed priest with something called 'universal life church'
1501165;1468251788;asciilifeform;to qualify, he... paid fiddybux.
1501166;1468251805;asciilifeform;it is solidly registered as church in usa! with 0 theology, etc.
1501167;1468251805;asciilifeform;BUT
1501168;1468251807;mircea_popescu;aha
1501169;1468251813;asciilifeform;this is sorta like asking 'how hard is it to build a bridge'
1501170;1468251822;mircea_popescu;quite.
1501171;1468251824;asciilifeform;if it is a decorative arch, that NOBODY will ever walk on - not hard.
1501172;1468251830;asciilifeform;if foot bridge - takes a little effort
1501173;1468251837;asciilifeform;if you want to move column of tanks! harder.
1501174;1468251841;asciilifeform;same with churches.
1501175;1468251858;asciilifeform;'universal life church' is the decorative bridge.
1501176;1468251861;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, all bridges worth the mention started as foot bridges
1501177;1468251867;asciilifeform;'priests' can officiate at weddings, funerals.
1501178;1468251870;asciilifeform;afaik that's it.
1501179;1468251884;mircea_popescu;like, the bronze gate, the rickety reeds construction spanning the actual golden gate :D
1501180;1468252210;mircea_popescu;speaking of lemay, prosecuting hussein bahamas for warcrimes when ?
1501181;1468252259;mircea_popescu;the drawback of all the "youngest blabla" is that you'll prolly live to hang. unlike 70yo hilary & friends
1501182;1468252283;mircea_popescu;$google hilary
1501183;1468252284;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilary_(name) << Hilary (name) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.hilaryseatwell.com/ << Hilary's | Allergen Free Foods | Eating Well Made Easy | http://hilaryhahn.com/ << Hilary Hahn
1501184;1468252307;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, all i see is hilary duff, with a smattering of hilary hahn, whatever that is. my google ain't heard of clinton.
1501185;1468252437;mircea_popescu;(seriously, woman was born in 47. she will be 70 by the time trump's inauguration rolls around. what soviets these libertards, they replicate the same system irrespective of what they say, with the same results.)
1501186;1468252492;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501180 << right after kissinger.
1501187;1468252492;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 15:50 mircea_popescu: speaking of lemay, prosecuting hussein bahamas for warcrimes when ?
1501188;1468252503;mircea_popescu;i'm definitely going to push for it.
1501189;1468252506;asciilifeform;and zbigniew brzezinski.
1501190;1468252512;mircea_popescu;kissinger, i see no problem with.
1501191;1468252601;asciilifeform;how different from obummer ?
1501192;1468252888;asciilifeform;http://fpif.org/bernies-broadsides-kissinger-werent-even-half << lulzi piece re clitler & kissinger
1501193;1468253113;asciilifeform;and afaik, liberasty aside, k really did create a good chunk of the 20th c. usg-branded corpse pile. what sense it even makes to discuss 'war criminals' without his picture on it ?
1501194;1468253135;asciilifeform;(not wholly communist corpses, either - kissinger arguably created pol pot et al)
1501195;1468253177;asciilifeform;quite the example from mircea_popescu's article where 'butcher who MOSTLY kills cows'
1501196;1468253281;asciilifeform;i still find it curious, that somebody bothered to kidnap and hang eichmann, but not kissinger.
1501197;1468253558;asciilifeform;meanwhile, 'More than 600,000 of the 1.8 million votes in last week’s New York Democratic primary were cast and counted on voting machines belonging to an “election services” company with a long criminal history and a rap sheet an arm long. Today it’s called Dominion Voting Systems. In last week’s primary in New York, Dominion controlled one-third of all votes cast in the state ... The company controls roughly the same perc
1501198;1468253558;asciilifeform;entage nationwide; one of every three votes cast in America.'
1501199;1468253564;asciilifeform;http://www.madcowprod.com/2016/04/28/election-company-in-ny-primary-has-arm-long-rap-sheet
1501200;1468253582;asciilifeform;so ^ new 'diebold', just like there is no longer a 'blackwater' but some ??? (i have nfi what the latest name is.)
1501201;1468253607;asciilifeform;sc4mz0rz have changed names like shirts, since folks invented names.
1501202;1468253636;Framedragger;asciilifeform: re. k, true that. and what with my home country being a usg bitch, i recall my high school's history teacher (who also was its director) being basically in love with kissinger, quoting him left and right and openly admiring him - incl. his person, i think. wonder if he still does the same. ah, good times..
1501203;1468253734;asciilifeform;mastermind of shining victories!1111, e.g., usa in vietnam. that modern derps, incl. obummer, still struggle to equal.
1501204;1468253921;asciilifeform;'But what Louis Wolfson will always be remembered for is bribing the only Supreme Court Justice ever forced to resign in disgrace, “Dishonest Abe” Fortas. Fortas began taking bribes from Wolfson, in 1969, at a time when Wolfson had already been convicted of securities manipulation.' << lulzy
1501205;1468253935;asciilifeform;'only new thing is the history you didn't know'
1501206;1468254131;asciilifeform;meanwhile,
1501207;1468254135;asciilifeform;in other non-nyooz, http://plasma.pics/flawed-second-ligo-gravitational-wave-discovery
1501208;1468254150;asciilifeform;'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it.  It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'
1501209;1468254187;asciilifeform;see also, relatedly, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484877
1501210;1468254187;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 03:45 asciilifeform: which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as interested in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is interested in elementary proof of fermat, or the software 'industry' - in 'fits in head', etc.
1501211;1468254195;asciilifeform;'big machine physics' is 100% usgola.
1501212;1468254204;asciilifeform;FUNDAMENTALLY.
1501213;1468254240;asciilifeform;ALL of the incentives are perverse.
1501214;1468254245;asciilifeform;from beginning to end.
1501215;1468254262;asciilifeform;took $maxint? built giant machine? now you'd better justify.
1501216;1468254270;asciilifeform;and torture the data until it 'talks.'
1501217;1468254284;asciilifeform;or lose yer professorship/moneys/life.
1501218;1468254374;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#921352 << see also x2.
1501219;1468254374;a111;Logged on 2014-11-14 05:47 asciilifeform: where, for no reason that has ever been publicly explained, laser-initiated fusion is diddled
1501220;1468254522;asciilifeform;the 'cernification' of physics is encouraged at every level.
1501221;1468254545;asciilifeform;fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities
1501222;1468254579;asciilifeform;which is why you can get usg or eurounion to cough up $B for a crackpot machine, but not $1M for you to sit in a chalet in the alps and schrodingerate
1501223;1468254643;asciilifeform;gigantic particle accelerators, etc. are only distantly about experimentation and actual data, and primarily about scrubbing out the primacy of the exceptional individual, from physics, one of the last strongholds to fall.
1501224;1468254661;asciilifeform;$s adelberger
1501225;1468254661;a111;20 results for "adelberger", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=adelberger
1501226;1468254664;asciilifeform;^ typical case.
1501227;1468254695;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-27#772706
1501228;1468254695;a111;Logged on 2014-07-27 19:05 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
1501229;1468254736;asciilifeform;in the forest, there once died a caterpillar;
1501230;1468254748;asciilifeform;the ants took a vote. it was decided that it shall be eaten by ants.
1501231;1468254760;asciilifeform;then came bird and ate it anyway.
1501232;1468254767;asciilifeform;but in physics forest, there is no bird.
1501233;1468254775;asciilifeform;at least none such that is not subject to ant vote.
1501234;1468254972;asciilifeform;the fuckers learned from the millikan case.
1501235;1468254992;asciilifeform;'don't measure electron charge, somebody might refute. measure instead only things that can be measured solely with $B machine.'
1501236;1468255084;asciilifeform;ww2, and the mega-state : killed physics.
1501237;1468255100;asciilifeform;not 'shortage of low-hanging fruit' or 'increasing complexity' or any other idiot derp fiction.
1501238;1468255136;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kissinger is in my (very extended) wot. bahamas is a libertard.
1501239;1468255141;mircea_popescu;this is the mother of all difference.
1501240;1468255170;asciilifeform;i suppose clitler is then in mircea_popescu's ever-slightly-extended wot ?
1501241;1468255174;mircea_popescu;understand : the crime is never to have done so-and-so concrete item ; but to have done it WHILE DRESSED IN THE WRONG SHIRT.
1501242;1468255205;asciilifeform;does it matter what shirt a habitual setter of forest fires wears ?
1501243;1468255210;mircea_popescu;and no, teh hitlers i mean clintons also democrats.
1501244;1468255210;asciilifeform;them fires still burnin'.
1501245;1468255220;mircea_popescu;this is politics not engineering.
1501246;1468255233;mircea_popescu;shirt matters a whole lot and not much matters besides.
1501247;1468255263;asciilifeform;mega-hero, creator of vietnam war (for whom was it mega-victory?), of khmer rouge, and 101 other marvels
1501248;1468255272;mircea_popescu;what's next, you're going to petition quake maker to give you trowel and paint brush, you want to be in quake teams only to paint the walls ?
1501249;1468255296;asciilifeform;waiwut
1501250;1468255345;mircea_popescu;in quake, the shirt is all that matters. much like on japanese field of battle, the flag on the little bamboo stick jutting out from your belt.
1501251;1468255375;asciilifeform;y'know, in every army in the world, fella who is a liability to whatever he touches, quietly catches bullet from own side
1501252;1468255378;asciilifeform;except, apparently, in usg
1501253;1468255386;mircea_popescu;for instance, my objection to the khmer rouge was their being commies, not their butchering a billion idiots per se.
1501254;1468255413;mircea_popescu;the khmer blacks/green/whatever i dun have a problem with.
1501255;1468255414;asciilifeform;butchered ~everybody worth having around, iirc
1501256;1468255419;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1501257;1468255420;asciilifeform;and left the dross.
1501258;1468255428;mircea_popescu;better that than putting them in "colleges"
1501259;1468255450;mircea_popescu;obviously, wrong shirt, wrong choices.
1501260;1468255547;asciilifeform;the popular portrayal of war crime is perverse: it is not cruel to ~the dead~, killing folx ain't such a cruel thing to do ~to them~, vs some of the alternatives. it is atrocity against the ~surviving~
1501261;1468255595;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501193 <<< body count is not the criteria per se. not everything that walks belongs alive. zombies are to be killed.
1501262;1468255595;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:05 asciilifeform: and afaik, liberasty aside, k really did create a good chunk of the 20th c. usg-branded corpse pile. what sense it even makes to discuss 'war criminals' without his picture on it ?
1501263;1468255628;asciilifeform;mr k left us with considerably ~more~, not fewer, zombies walkin' around.
1501264;1468255630;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the popular portrayal of war crime isn't actually all that deep. it's simply "THE BIG THING", which is what the herd needs/wants.
1501265;1468255633;mircea_popescu;before that it was "treason"
1501266;1468255686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he, like we, lived in a zombie wave time. you also "left more broken code than you found". so now you're a code criminal ?
1501267;1468255686;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc.
1501268;1468255686;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 15:09 mircea_popescu: for that matter, as being a "police officer" is the one ustard nobility class they recognize, i wonder how many derps are "police officers" in name only. seems like a pretty decent deal, sign up with the pd dept, show up an hour a month or so, in exchange get weapon and shoot whoever.
1501269;1468255709;mircea_popescu;phf not a bad plan.
1501270;1468255713;mircea_popescu;how much ?
1501271;1468255725;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is like asking 'how much for a senator'
1501272;1468255731;asciilifeform;for ted turner, $50k
1501273;1468255733;asciilifeform;for mircea_popescu - $maxint
1501274;1468255734;mircea_popescu;i don't need to ask that, i know >D
1501275;1468255741;mircea_popescu;whence am i a senator ?!
1501276;1468255756;asciilifeform;how much a senator costs
1501277;1468255771;asciilifeform;if i walk in with 50k, i get -50k and jail
1501278;1468255775;asciilifeform;if turner - he gets volume discount.
1501279;1468255784;mircea_popescu;hahahaha nah.
1501280;1468255794;mircea_popescu;i'm not sure that was the case even in the 50s.
1501281;1468255811;phf;mircea_popescu: i suspect you can get it for 30k or so, enough for "new conference room" or whatever
1501282;1468255817;mircea_popescu;also, us reps/senators are shockingly cheap. most third world shitholes more expensive.
1501283;1468255826;asciilifeform;plenty of folk in usa got 50k in sofa cushions. but senators not bid up much.
1501284;1468255837;mircea_popescu;plenty of folk in the us are derps.
1501285;1468255840;mircea_popescu;this is the crux of the issue.
1501286;1468255851;asciilifeform;what can i say, go buy all of'em
1501287;1468255858;asciilifeform;decorate living room, or wahtever.
1501288;1468255871;mircea_popescu;eh, you never buy all the whores. drives price up for no benefit.
1501289;1468255871;asciilifeform;make'em dig latrines.
1501290;1468255878;mircea_popescu;let em gouge each others eyes out, is right and proper.
1501291;1468255997;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501203 << actually, he got a nobel prize for ENDING that ; also came up with the "gender war" quote.
1501292;1468255997;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:15 asciilifeform: mastermind of shining victories!1111, e.g., usa in vietnam. that modern derps, incl. obummer, still struggle to equal.
1501293;1468255998;asciilifeform;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501267 << nominally who-is-a-deputy is public record, neh? could make a list of these, like mats made of faux judges ?
1501294;1468255998;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:48 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501087 << they have that. that's how you get a concealed carry permit (or just generally more gun rights) in strict jurisdictions. you donate money to some sherif in flyover states, go on the books as deputy, can now legally cary a gun in the city of new york, etc.
1501295;1468256017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform doubtlessly.
1501296;1468256033;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'peace nobel' was crock of shit from day 0.
1501297;1468256054;asciilifeform;and the man had ~= to do with 'ending the war' as keitel with ending ww2.
1501298;1468256063;mircea_popescu;hitchens was also a derp, from day 0. what now.
1501299;1468256072;asciilifeform;surely.
1501300;1468256088;asciilifeform;i dun see any serious factual counter-argument to 'kissinger was two-legged disaster'
1501301;1468256113;mircea_popescu;so you're basically bringing an argument of incompetence ?
1501302;1468256117;asciilifeform;aha!
1501303;1468256137;asciilifeform;incompetence on the scale of hitler's.
1501304;1468256140;mircea_popescu;but this is an irrelevant consideration. bahamas is dumb as rocks, but will not hang for being dumb.
1501305;1468256178;mircea_popescu;ftr i don't see the war crimes case against hitler either. i can see it against tony blair, or the current derp, or the german lapdog what's her name.
1501306;1468256178;asciilifeform;dumb but harmless is one thing. dumb but climbs into cockpit of bulldozer and smashes whole city - other.
1501307;1468256185;mircea_popescu;not so.
1501308;1468256189;asciilifeform;and all of the folks who enable the man - ditto.
1501309;1468256204;mircea_popescu;war crimes are the legal, legitimate behaviours of people we don't like.
1501310;1468256215;mircea_popescu;WHAT they did, HOW they did it, what it came to etc don't enter into it.
1501311;1468256222;mircea_popescu;don't like him, hang him. war criminal.
1501312;1468256253;mircea_popescu;lemay, since mentioned, fully understood this. iirc he made a comment that if the us lost the war, he'd have fully expected being hanged for war crimes.
1501313;1468256268;asciilifeform;fella has much to do with the gnarly pest control situation we're in presently.
1501314;1468256289;mircea_popescu;how so ?
1501315;1468256311;phf;asciilifeform: i don't see a problem with people doing it that way. that solution came up when i was trying to figure out how to get a concealed cary in DC. but i suspect your problem is going to be not just finding everyone on the books in various smalltowns, TX, but also discovering their real current home address
1501316;1468256353;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: made anticommunism ~synonymous with wholesale usg-sponsored butchery.
1501317;1468256363;asciilifeform;for a whole generation.
1501318;1468256382;asciilifeform;phf: pretty sure concealed-carry-in-dc requires election to congress.
1501319;1468256386;mircea_popescu;this is kinda too subtle a point.
1501320;1468256400;asciilifeform;phf: but if you discover otherwise, wake me up plox!11
1501321;1468256408;asciilifeform;ditto in maryland
1501322;1468256484;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wasn't he the guy that came up with the detente with the soviets ?
1501323;1468256505;phf;asciilifeform: nah, there are options. i know security guys that have concealed caries in DC, you have to demonstrate that you've been repeatedly assaulted (or i assume if you're going through agency) that you're in immediate danger of assault, etc. a random mall derp's not going to get it, but a freelance security can
1501324;1468256539;phf;well, *knew. i'm not sure how things might've changed in 10 years
1501325;1468256540;asciilifeform;cash van folk get permit, ~valid strictly during working hours~
1501326;1468256548;asciilifeform;this is not interesting to most people.
1501327;1468256563;mircea_popescu;i think you two gotta differentiate "gun as nobility mark" from "gun as tool of labour"
1501328;1468256567;asciilifeform;hence the 'empty holster' people on trains i mentioned earlier
1501329;1468256570;mircea_popescu;keep mixing these to endless discursive results.
1501330;1468256574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu gets it!
1501331;1468256606;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform his point, that you may well obtain a courtesy earldom from minor german prince and have france court respect this stands.
1501332;1468256606;asciilifeform;the 'tool of labour' thing ! hitler: 'people who wish to work with small arms are invited to join the ss'
1501333;1468256617;phf;ok, ok, sherifs are allowed to conceal cary in DC, hence the approach above
1501334;1468256618;mircea_popescu;it has happened historically. just because you're not the sort to do it doesn't mean it';s not done.
1501335;1468256639;trinque;kissinger more or less did detente, also worked on opening the relationship with the chicoms
1501336;1468256651;trinque;could've saved the planet
1501337;1468256655;mircea_popescu;trinque i have nfi where his hatred comes from, but anyway.
1501338;1468256665;mircea_popescu;i do suspect its that idiot hitchens entirely.
1501339;1468256667;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not only is it done for 'courtesy earls', but pretty much anybody who is not jailable can carry whatever he wants, 'maxim' machine gun if he likes, wherever in usa.
1501340;1468256691;asciilifeform;nobody is ever searching peter thiel's pockets for illicit pistol
1501341;1468256694;asciilifeform;much less taking him to a court.
1501342;1468256697;mircea_popescu;oh, recall the case of the saudi that "fell" on a naked 17yo girl whose friend was spending the night ?
1501343;1468256700;asciilifeform;aha.
1501344;1468256701;asciilifeform;same idea.
1501345;1468256739;mircea_popescu;but talking about "got x to y", hitchens is fine example : got "atheist" to mean "idiot liberal". ffs.
1501346;1468256746;asciilifeform;md law, for those interested: 'Federal and Maryland State or local law enforcement officers generally are exempt from the permit requirement. However, sheriffs and their deputies are exempted only while on active assignment engaged in law enforcement and only with respect to handguns which they are duly authorized to wear, carry or transport as part of their official equipment. Law enforcement officers from other states are exempt on
1501347;1468256746;asciilifeform;ly while on official business.'
1501348;1468256749;mircea_popescu;and they keep doing this, too, if anyone's curtis yarvin's model, hitchens
1501349;1468256760;mircea_popescu;find legitimate single issue, attach THE WHOLE RAFT of libertardism to it.
1501350;1468256768;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this,yes
1501351;1468256772;mircea_popescu;then "people" who are stupid enough to stay atomized "can pick".
1501352;1468256791;mircea_popescu;"would you like to import full_libertardism() through the venue of atheism, or what exact tiny topic ?"
1501353;1468256811;mircea_popescu;reminiscent of how usg.software works. "so, you want openssh and utf-fonts via which package again ?"
1501354;1468256886;phf;asciilifeform: there's a wide range of socially clued people from mircea_popescu to asciilifeform. you don't have to go all maxint to assume that something will fly
1501355;1468256909;mircea_popescu;but splitting!
1501356;1468256963;asciilifeform;i have no doubt that the nomenklatura who can get away with peccadillo like carrying pistol, is quite large.
1501357;1468256986;asciilifeform;(getting away with USING it against a holy slum bunny is another matter)
1501358;1468257023;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501212 << neah.
1501359;1468257023;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:23 asciilifeform: FUNDAMENTALLY.
1501360;1468257108;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501221 << the fundamental reason being, that the forest has been hunted bare, then cut down. this idealistic "i shall make physics discovery without refined tools" yields exactly sovietisms a la "aggregated water" and "Lysenko's hardy winter crops"
1501361;1468257108;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: fundamental reason being, a gigantic machine employs and merit-washes 1,000,001 mediocrities
1501362;1468257130;asciilifeform;this is the lie the mediocrities want to sell.
1501363;1468257133;asciilifeform;it is just that - lie.
1501364;1468257146;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501222 << if you can't get your own mn, YOU MAY NOT "SCHROEDINGERATE"
1501365;1468257146;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:29 asciilifeform: which is why you can get usg or eurounion to cough up $B for a crackpot machine, but not $1M for you to sit in a chalet in the alps and schrodingerate
1501366;1468257153;asciilifeform;schrodinger's age was ended by the war, not by 'out of low-hanging fruit.'
1501367;1468257175;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: point being that it didn't cost a million in his day.
1501368;1468257185;mircea_popescu;mno. the wet dream of every kid with a superman delusion that was recast into "science genius" rather than shed is that hey, he shall FIGHT CRIME ^H^H^H i mean DISCOVER SCIENCE.
1501369;1468257196;asciilifeform;there is delusion and there is also the real thing.
1501370;1468257196;mircea_popescu;with his underwear worn over spandex unisuit! UP UP AND AWAE!
1501371;1468257212;asciilifeform;kid points finger, 'bang-bang!' but actual pistols also exist.
1501372;1468257215;asciilifeform;just not in his toybox.
1501373;1468257220;mircea_popescu;not in the hands of kid.
1501374;1468257224;asciilifeform;aha.
1501375;1468257236;mircea_popescu;"i need someone ELSE to GIVE me a million" is the very definition of a kid.
1501376;1468257271;asciilifeform;this, yes. but keep in mind where it comes from.
1501377;1468257278;mircea_popescu;what, kissinger ?
1501378;1468257280;asciilifeform;nobody builds particle accelerator with own lunch money.
1501379;1468257289;mircea_popescu;uh.
1501380;1468257298;asciilifeform;the whole field now consists of 'gimme' artists.
1501381;1468257305;asciilifeform;any wonder that the aspirants are same ?
1501382;1468257315;mircea_popescu;is your entire objection to be reduced to "for shame the eu billions went to a comission, they should have just given the moneyt directly as personal gifts to science heros"?
1501383;1468257322;asciilifeform;every lab i worked in, the chief spent ~90% of his time, doing guess what ?
1501384;1468257326;asciilifeform;writing grantolade applications.
1501385;1468257331;mircea_popescu;aha.
1501386;1468257342;mircea_popescu;but that bureaucratic nonsense has nothing to do with the damned tools.
1501387;1468257349;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neh, they should not have 'given the money to me!11111' but NOT GIVEN OUT BARRELS OF PRINTOLADE
1501388;1468257357;asciilifeform;it is destructive.
1501389;1468257359;asciilifeform;to anything it touches.
1501390;1468257359;mircea_popescu;i'm sure people had to sign all sorts of spurious crap in order to give themselves a nice tan in the berylium bed.
1501391;1468257370;mircea_popescu;such is life, but the berylium bed is STILL required if you're gonna use a reflector.
1501392;1468257393;asciilifeform;maxwell et al made do with no more tools than i have here where i sit.
1501393;1468257404;asciilifeform;and i don't buy ANY of the 'low-hanging fruit' gargle.
1501394;1468257410;mircea_popescu;so let's separate the matter of the actual physical tool that is the cern cyclotron from the presumed bureaucratic nonsense built around it.
1501395;1468257417;asciilifeform;i dun think they are separable.
1501396;1468257419;mircea_popescu;because i now suspect i was always talking of the former part and you of the latter.
1501397;1468257421;asciilifeform;as demonstrated by the ligo link
1501398;1468257425;mircea_popescu;heh
1501399;1468257426;asciilifeform;and the fusion thread we had in 2014
1501400;1468257430;mircea_popescu;the tool still exists.
1501401;1468257443;asciilifeform;the f-35 tank also exists.
1501402;1468257443;mircea_popescu;the fundamental property of ... property, as a construct, is that it is ALWAYS separable from the real estate.
1501403;1468257449;mircea_popescu;land will be land with inca or without inca.
1501404;1468257459;asciilifeform;is f-35 separable in any meaningful way from its makers ?
1501405;1468257474;mircea_popescu;if any parts are, they will be.
1501406;1468257475;asciilifeform;it is not land, but a statue of idiot emperor, with little wings.
1501407;1468257484;mircea_popescu;this is not so.
1501408;1468257485;asciilifeform;worth ~= its weight in scrap iron.
1501409;1468257500;mircea_popescu;it's a cyclotron dude. so much a technical item as your toaster.
1501410;1468257514;mircea_popescu;arguably, also "worth ~= weight in scrap" for that matter.
1501411;1468257539;mircea_popescu;but we're not discussing here some sort of novel or unknown item. it's a cyclotron, like 1000s of others extant, only as large as a us state.
1501412;1468257545;asciilifeform;realize that from where i sit, it is not possible by any means whatsoever to distinguish whether the particles actually fly, or whole echafaudage is == to 'n-rays' machine.
1501413;1468257551;mircea_popescu;understandably, it cost a little more than what a us state is worth.
1501414;1468257560;asciilifeform;perhaps last WORKING cyclotron was made in landau's time.
1501415;1468257568;mircea_popescu;it is also not possible from where you sit to distinguish if your spleen is red or green in color.
1501416;1468257596;asciilifeform;quite possible!
1501417;1468257606;asciilifeform;when i live-blog seppuku, i promise to mention it!
1501418;1468257606;mircea_popescu;well also quite not so cogent a consideration.
1501419;1468257772;asciilifeform;at any rate, particle accelerator per se exists, i have demonstrable items right here that there is no other known means of making. question concerns GIGANTIC particle accelerator, or gravity wave telescope, or other item, where output is ~not replicable~ by anyone who lacks access to ~that very same~ instrument
1501420;1468257791;mircea_popescu;well, unless you make an even larger one, eventually.
1501421;1468257802;mircea_popescu;kinda the fucking point of "first item of its kind" is to see what happens, neh ?
1501422;1468257813;mircea_popescu;recall all the idiot "popular press" going on about how "it'll end teh world!!11" ?
1501423;1468257823;asciilifeform;except that, post-sov-collapse, there is never a WHOLLY DIFFERENT set of people to verify the first.
1501424;1468257836;asciilifeform;and so we get 'climate science.'
1501425;1468257861;mircea_popescu;there is no option here. the eu has a budget, which it has taxed. it has to be spent. if it's not spent, recession, and much like a car that has been accelerated to the point where it either continues, or crashes horribly, they have to keep going. if recession, the whole "modern democracy" nonsense comes unglued.
1501426;1468257886;mircea_popescu;what will they spend on ? upkeeping roads ? "social justice" ? building really REALLY large cyclotron much better option than anything the us did with its set of printolade in the same interval.
1501427;1468257894;asciilifeform;just as true today as for pharaonic egypt and its pyramids.
1501428;1468257896;mircea_popescu;it's really the ~equiv of space race, half century later.
1501429;1468257906;mircea_popescu;go, replicate moon landing.
1501430;1468257916;asciilifeform;space vehicles were a comparatively harmless waste
1501431;1468257922;asciilifeform;because did not demolish any existing useful field.
1501432;1468257932;mircea_popescu;wtf "existing useful field"
1501433;1468257943;mircea_popescu;they demolished! all the people moongazing!
1501434;1468257944;asciilifeform;schrodinger-era physics.
1501435;1468257954;mircea_popescu;shroedinger-era physics didn't work.
1501436;1468257961;asciilifeform;works great, right here on my desk.
1501437;1468257961;mircea_popescu;this is like saying kissinger demolished nixon era politics.
1501438;1468257972;mircea_popescu;gtfo. the sluts at home and the limp dicks at the bar demolished it.
1501439;1468257984;mircea_popescu;"1950s are alive in my house" "aren't you bored ?"
1501440;1468257990;asciilifeform;schwarts vs adelberger. qed.
1501441;1468257996;asciilifeform;*schwartz
1501442;1468258005;mircea_popescu;i fail to see the relation.
1501443;1468258010;asciilifeform;adelbergerization is an evil.
1501444;1468258016;mircea_popescu;the ~relation~.
1501445;1468258026;mircea_popescu;what, schwartz got named in schroedinger's testament or what is it.
1501446;1468258044;asciilifeform;adelberger: 'you ain't doing physics unless i give you a few hours on this here machine. and i ain't gonna.'
1501447;1468258084;mircea_popescu;i'm sure for every machiavelli that did find ink and paper, a hundred didn't. this has very little to do with anything.
1501448;1468258094;mircea_popescu;again and for the last time - being poor disqualifies one ~from humanity~.
1501449;1468258104;mircea_popescu;want to be a person, get teh monyz first. then YOUR SON can be a person in your stead.
1501450;1468258112;mircea_popescu;you don't just person because you felt persony that day.
1501451;1468258149;asciilifeform;you also dun just person because your father left behind a bag of dubloons for you to drink through.
1501452;1468258193;mircea_popescu;certainly not.
1501453;1468258221;mircea_popescu;you sex through finding a warm, wet hole to stick penis into. no, penis on its own not sufficient. no, hole by itself dun work. etc.
1501454;1468258239;asciilifeform;fwiw i personally have never met anyone worth talking to who inherited anything bigger than a library. but then again i prolly dun count as 'person' in mircea_popescu's radar.
1501455;1468258255;trinque;asciilifeform: doesn't address the "whence the damned money"
1501456;1468258258;trinque;just pleads it not so
1501457;1468258265;mircea_popescu;isn't this the same "color of my spleen and i can't see who landed on the moon on my own desk" argument ?
1501458;1468258269;asciilifeform;trinque: waiwut
1501459;1468258279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on the contrary, i can ping the corner mirror from here.
1501460;1468258288;asciilifeform;moon is terrible example, for that reason.
1501461;1468258296;mircea_popescu;trinque the issue that people are miserable at educating their children is not really much of an excuse. stop sucking at it!
1501462;1468258355;trinque;right. entirely separate consideration from whether a physicist needs fuel to do his physics
1501463;1468258396;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bacon was born rich. no good ? de broglie was actually a duke. etc.
1501464;1468258407;asciilifeform;lord kelvin, et al
1501465;1468258410;mircea_popescu;there's plenty of successful cases, not as many as one'd want, i guess, but hey.
1501466;1468258419;asciilifeform;asciilifeform simply never met these folk !
1501467;1468258423;asciilifeform;didn't say they never lived.
1501468;1468258440;mircea_popescu;so then it IS a parochial argument to ignorance, "but mp, i can't see my spleen!"
1501469;1468258447;asciilifeform;they don't live today.
1501470;1468258458;mircea_popescu;de broglie died in like the 90s
1501471;1468258459;asciilifeform;or show me the fella who built a 'ligo' with own billion.
1501472;1468258461;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "today"
1501473;1468258486;trinque;which is why politics in the broadest sense is a more fundamental human problem than "physics"
1501474;1468258489;trinque;asciilifeform: ^
1501475;1468258492;asciilifeform;de broglie did his work with pen & paper. in early 1900s.
1501476;1468258496;asciilifeform;dun matter when he died.
1501477;1468258498;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guess why the fuck.
1501478;1468258511;mircea_popescu;all the work one could do pen and paper was done by 1925/1930.
1501479;1468258519;asciilifeform;this is where i disagree with mircea_popescu .
1501480;1468258523;asciilifeform;wholly.
1501481;1468258523;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1501482;1468258530;mircea_popescu;don't let me keep you from it.
1501483;1468258550;asciilifeform;dunno why mircea_popescu was inclined to bite this particular cathedral hook
1501484;1468258551;mircea_popescu;the fact remains de broglie is an instructive example. i'd imagine he'd have said something AT SOME POINT neh ?
1501485;1468258563;asciilifeform;said what ?
1501486;1468258572;asciilifeform;'stop, idiots, physics is dying' ?
1501487;1468258574;mircea_popescu;"here's this new pen and paper invention"
1501488;1468258587;asciilifeform;a theorist's productive life is ~over at 40.
1501489;1468258591;asciilifeform;what is he supposed to say.
1501490;1468258609;mircea_popescu;hahaha bullshit.
1501491;1468258614;mircea_popescu;now THAT is rank nonsense.
1501492;1468258654;asciilifeform;emphasis on the ~. there are 45 y.o. theorists worth mention, just as there may have been 45 y.o. whores who were fuckable, or gymnasts still winning gold
1501493;1468258664;mircea_popescu;gymnasts, no.
1501494;1468258666;asciilifeform;but not where the smart money bets.
1501495;1468258684;mircea_popescu;anyway, i kinda tire of this "here's random boyish nonsense i just pulled from ass, plox consider it seriously" affair. we shall resume later!
1501496;1468258700;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu pulled not from arse ?
1501497;1468258707;asciilifeform;or pulled from his papal, sainted arse ?
1501498;1468258739;asciilifeform;i make generous use of my arse.
1501499;1468258743;asciilifeform;so that is not the point of disagreement.
1501500;1468258786;asciilifeform;but it entertains me to no end to learn that mircea_popescu buys into usgificated centralized faux-physics.
1501501;1468258787;mircea_popescu;https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/Bzgz2jor9cn_WQDk3LvoRJT-mfSAF8C4eMCxBJJn_eZmBfSlJGRKO_MYRWFB8hAyorawr7SakiPiPJms5a-ZM1zxHN-MoHVrCahPnfupaIIg6K0jsIXpPcXKwA << these utter fucktards with their "statistics" and assorted pseudoscience bullshit.
1501502;1468258801;mircea_popescu;"oh, look how discrepant the data we manipulated to look exactly this way is!"
1501503;1468258815;mircea_popescu;i wonder, if they continued with the same increments all the way to 100mn, would it look the same way ?
1501504;1468258841;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~noise. nobody counts, or could count, the mexicans, or the dope dealers, et al.
1501505;1468258855;mircea_popescu;5k, 10k, 15k, 250k and over. o look, there's more in this "250k or over" than in the average 5k increment! could it be because it contains i dunno, 111`864 increments ?
1501506;1468258867;asciilifeform;i don't even have any reason to think that the chart accurately depicts the ~tax-paying~ folk.
1501507;1468258896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the conversation flew as "alf: X NONSENSE STATEMENT!!!! PROBLEM ?" "mp: history doth not support" reiteraded numerous times. eventually it tires.
1501508;1468258913;asciilifeform;(incidentally, not only dope peddler, but peter thiel, flies on $maxing planes that are somehow not 'in his income' etc.)
1501509;1468258917;asciilifeform;*maxint
1501510;1468258923;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1501511;1468258937;mircea_popescu;iirc came up in some discussion re why buffett wants higher taxes
1501512;1468258939;mircea_popescu;something with grain
1501513;1468258948;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has not 1 but 2 spiffy articles re same.
1501514;1468258982;asciilifeform;and lel, is 2011-vintage chart circulating as 'current' ?
1501515;1468258989;mircea_popescu;anyway. dunno that the us is a significant actor in physics, or in general any science these days. they withdrew to "engineering" in the 70s, and then moved on to wtf they do now, "Social sciences", gave the engineering to the azns.
1501516;1468258991;asciilifeform;didn't we just have a thread re this phenomenon ?
1501517;1468259000;mircea_popescu;but be that as it may - physics as a romantic endeavour is, and has been over.
1501518;1468259011;mircea_popescu;i'm not even the first to observe this, by a good century.
1501519;1468259018;asciilifeform;over as pretty much anything but a money sink.
1501520;1468259051;mircea_popescu;just like computing in the sense of "ima hack my cpu together out of sawdust" is gone ; physics will require forevermore rather expensive tools.
1501521;1468259078;asciilifeform;until, just as with cpu, it will be done with cheap tools - or not at all.
1501522;1468259091;asciilifeform;collapse reaper cometh.
1501523;1468259117;mircea_popescu;in point of fact we're flat against a tall stair, and so i don't expect much either way.
1501524;1468259190;mircea_popescu;(of all the perverse reasons to consider the whole adventure is a set-up, such as, look how convenient that it so happens water is a) universal solvent ; b) very high caloric capacity - life'd be not quite possible without either, nor is there good reason for them to match up, not anymore than for the euler equation at any rate : the science progression is one of the best
1501525;1468259208;mircea_popescu;seriously, it "just so happened" that the next thing to discover was within reach ? EVERY time ? get fucked already.
1501526;1468259224;mircea_popescu;eventually this stair that was "accidentally made" by "rocks falling" will show a step that's you know, higher than 6 inches tall.
1501527;1468259233;mircea_popescu;like say 75 billion kilometers tall. random numbers, right ?
1501528;1468259239;mircea_popescu;)
1501529;1468259249;asciilifeform;kelvin thought same thing and was full of shit.
1501530;1468259255;mircea_popescu;so he did.
1501531;1468259261;asciilifeform;but it is very easy to say 'tall stair!' when ~you personally~ don't see over the fence.
1501532;1468259268;asciilifeform;it tends to annoy the folks who do see.
1501533;1468259272;mircea_popescu;i admit to being a very short physicist, theoretical or otherwise.
1501534;1468259286;asciilifeform;schwartz had a very plausible recipe for room-temperature supercon, for instance.
1501535;1468259295;asciilifeform;published, to 0 effect.
1501536;1468259316;asciilifeform;it is not enough for the fence to 'not be too tall'
1501537;1468259322;asciilifeform;climber also has to not be a quadriplegic.
1501538;1468259332;mircea_popescu;none of this is interesting. unless you personally are looking for supercon, for some sort of reason, what diff does it make ?
1501539;1468259361;asciilifeform;makes considerable difference to ~every aspect of engineering.
1501540;1468259368;*;mircea_popescu shrugs
1501541;1468259370;asciilifeform;from pocket-sized mri scanner to blaster pistol.
1501542;1468259371;mircea_popescu;fuck or get off the pig.
1501543;1468259404;asciilifeform;mile-long queue to even get on the pig. or at least what original thread was.
1501544;1468259427;mircea_popescu;no, no. you want to talk about neglected science being both valid and useful, there's only one way to do this : do.
1501545;1468259432;mircea_popescu;if you ain't doin', you mayn't talk.
1501546;1468259457;asciilifeform;sorta what i said to him about my 50k-usd eotvos tester variant.
1501547;1468259464;asciilifeform;still can't fathom why fella didn't listen.
1501548;1468259466;mircea_popescu;this being the main problem with "idea people", theoretical physicists or otherwise. "oh, i see over the fence" "get lost"
1501549;1468259476;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i can.
1501550;1468259511;asciilifeform;at the time i even had access to the necessary calorimeter. so it would not have even been the 50k.
1501551;1468259529;asciilifeform;he even had the benzyl crystals mostly grown.
1501552;1468259548;asciilifeform;i have no fucking idea what the man's problem was.
1501553;1468259571;asciilifeform;... perhaps ~some~ idea, see the adelberger thread, he wanted a formal capitulation from the enemy, and knew that he would never get it
1501554;1468259575;mircea_popescu;there's more to that "adolescent business fantasy" than just that, money. there's also an "imaginary womenz and sexings" thing ; there's also a "great ideas in my great idea binder" etc.
1501555;1468259619;mircea_popescu;they all without exception stem from inflated vanity, which is to say a contradiction between the individual's own sense of worth and the apparent or discerned valuation by "society", somehow defined.
1501556;1468259631;asciilifeform;there is the mass of idiot neurotypicals and there are the folks with actual ideas.
1501557;1468259633;mircea_popescu;this, obviously, is easy for adolescents to do. but people all ages have or can develop vanity issues.
1501558;1468259657;mircea_popescu;and consequently, it becomes less a matter of "how my cryustals grow" and more a mattrer of "let's have coffee and gossip about that asshole who's the reason i can't do all the good things for humanatee".
1501559;1468259685;mircea_popescu;the word doesn't exist in english, but it's a "filosofie a ratarii", a fuckup's mindset.
1501560;1468259700;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu can laugh at schwartz for being the sort of fool who lands in the mousetrap where adelbergers matter to begin with;
1501561;1468259708;mircea_popescu;not what i did.
1501562;1468259719;asciilifeform;but you gotta remember that fella is old enough that it was not yet a mousetrap when he made the commitment.
1501563;1468259720;mircea_popescu;i am not even discussing the schwartz fellow at all, i dun really know him.
1501564;1468259737;asciilifeform;well this re 'let's have coffee and gossip about that asshole who's the reason i can't do all the good things'
1501565;1468259737;mircea_popescu;what i'm discussing is your very bizarre stance whereby "the hero is prevented from saving world by park maid".
1501566;1468259745;mircea_popescu;this is, by itself, nonsense.
1501567;1468259761;asciilifeform;vavilov was successfully prevented from doing much of anything again by lysenko.
1501568;1468259766;asciilifeform;was he 'gossiping idiot' ?
1501569;1468259772;asciilifeform;what, exactly, was vavilov's mistake ?
1501570;1468259780;asciilifeform;picked wrong place to be born ?
1501571;1468259809;mircea_popescu;i give ~no thought to this entire "prevented from doing", much like the typically female "you made me do" dun enter into my thoughts.
1501572;1468259818;mircea_popescu;so i'm not really the right guy to ask about them things.
1501573;1468259831;asciilifeform;he had vavilov killed
1501574;1468259848;asciilifeform;(because orcs are simple folk and this was the easiest thing to do)
1501575;1468259861;mircea_popescu;or maybe because he was fucking his wife.
1501576;1468259893;asciilifeform;'where they cut off yer lips, 'cause they don't like yer smile!111' -- disney's 'aladin'
1501577;1468259942;mircea_popescu;anyway. soviet crazies, what can i tell you, and why should i care.
1501578;1468260007;asciilifeform;because they did not vanish, no.
1501579;1468260038;mircea_popescu;looky, the question is a) entirely unrelated to the discussion and b) not substantially different from "what should the senior washington official stabbed to death have done".
1501580;1468260045;mircea_popescu;she should have fucking fought, and won.
1501581;1468260064;asciilifeform;or should have dealt dope instead of running for office ?
1501582;1468260068;asciilifeform;multiple answers possible
1501583;1468260071;mircea_popescu;alternatively, she should stop whining about being dead.
1501584;1468260074;mircea_popescu;either one, but not any third.
1501585;1468260264;*;trinque imagines a rat who can smell the cheese, gets stuck in a dead end of the maze adjacent, never goes around the other way, starves.
1501586;1468260287;asciilifeform;trinque: if martians lift you by your tail and put you in large enough maze, you will also starve.
1501587;1468260308;asciilifeform;it need not even be very large.
1501588;1468260331;mircea_popescu;funny, i routinely explore mazes as part of playing online games.
1501589;1468260342;asciilifeform;i recently read some allegation, of unknown veracity, that a beggar in peru chewed (why? i dunno) on a tube of superglue, and consequently starved.
1501590;1468260345;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised what a coupla hours' worth of left hand rule can do to many acres worth of tight maze
1501591;1468260360;trinque;asciilifeform: I'm just paraphrasing you from other threads, CPU^H^H^Hphysics might be hundreds of years from here.
1501592;1468260366;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: rat, afaik, has not yet invented righthandrule.
1501593;1468260373;asciilifeform;'step too tall' for him.
1501594;1468260375;mircea_popescu;but you said martians and trinque.
1501595;1468260397;asciilifeform;well clearly it will have to be n-dimensional maze for him.
1501596;1468260408;mircea_popescu;...
1501597;1468260429;asciilifeform;go generalize right-hand rule to n dimensions.
1501598;1468260465;asciilifeform;(i bet martin gardner had this as a puzzle in his column, but unfortunately my 100kg of old sciam are not searchable...)
1501599;1468260948;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.72.147 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.72.147 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.72.147@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D60710F34429805CA983E018B19C9D0400E3978C6A4F97721303D362A1E9
1501600;1468260948;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 93717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '189.203.181.149 (ssh-rsa key from 189.203.181.149 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+189.203.181.149@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97816E68FFBD245AD39F3509A34B16D8F193D91A6125903354AB4CB38
1501601;1468260959;asciilifeform;bang!
1501602;1468261072;asciilifeform;lel, these urls are cut off.
1501603;1468261148;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F97816E68FFBD245AD39F3509A34B16D8F193D91A6125903354AB4CB383548F3
1501604;1468261148;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D60710F34429805CA983E018B19C9D0400E3978C6A4F97721303D362A1E9941
1501605;1468261232;asciilifeform;'Total Play Telecomunicaciones'. Mexico, Morelos, Tlalnepantla.
1501606;1468261244;trinque;yep, I'm gonna do something about that. ssh ones are a bit long.
1501607;1468261344;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo feel free to fix the links in my original comment
1501608;1468261344;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1501609;1468262052;shinohai;$later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12Ml
1501610;1468262067;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12Ml
1501611;1468262067;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1501612;1468262073;shinohai;grr
1501613;1468262304;Framedragger;trinque: re. "ssh ones are a bit long." << yeah you're right, need to shorten them..
1501614;1468262344;Framedragger;and while on topic, there'll be another tarball soon asciilifeform - considerably smaller, but still > 1M
1501615;1468262442;Framedragger;from rescan of ipv4, from 'untainted' ip addresses. the ">1M" is due not only to rescan itself, but also because i had excluded ipv4 ranges for hetzner which had been sending tons of abuse complaintz. i can handle those complaints now. but i had forgotten about exclusion of hetzner ssh hosts. the new tarball will fix this (it won't include any old ssh keys, only new ones).
1501616;1468262502;Framedragger;(i.e. i had originally planned to re-scan those hetzner ranges and include them in the original tarball, but ended up postponing that.)
1501617;1468262690;Framedragger;will be interesting to later also look how many of the originally-online nodes were down in this new rescan, and how many new ones appeared (i.e. when hetzner ranges are removed).
1501618;1468262696;Framedragger;look at*
1501619;1468262951;Framedragger;the excluded ranges for anyone curious: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/blacklist.conf.txt (the ones before "# temporary" are default for masscan, based on ipv4 reserved ranges from IANA)
1501620;1468263066;mircea_popescu;you prolly shoul scan reserved ranges also, if routable
1501621;1468263723;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Seal_of_the_United_States_Strategic_Command.svg << this has got to be the world's worst kludge of a visual design.
1501622;1468263760;mircea_popescu;seriously, olive branch ? by people who never saw an olive tree or what.
1501623;1468263783;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how it doesn't respect ohm's law (as restated for RED lightnings)
1501624;1468264158;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500694 << i'm probably top 3 in the west, but there's not really that many people in the saskabushian and surrounding prairies
1501625;1468264158;a111;Logged on 2016-07-10 15:31 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500678 << heh you make it sound as though pete is buyer numba one of imaginary bitcoinz
1501626;1468264174;pete_dushenski;nevermind ones that know wtf a bit con is
1501627;1468264198;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-09#1500209 << it's called a mitzvah. wut.
1501628;1468264198;a111;Logged on 2016-07-09 02:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1500179 << this thing just melted my brainz. some schmuck crying because he could not become a... health inspector! and pete_dushenski advising him on how to cry less
1501629;1468264283;pete_dushenski;http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/prince-edward-island/pei-monks-free-lobsters-1.3672032 << speaking of misguided mitzvot (but aren't they all ?)
1501630;1468264413;pete_dushenski;"Before releasing the lobsters, the monks held a 20-minute ceremony with a prayer and chant to the Buddha of compassion. Dan said you don't have to have a ceremony or be a Buddhist to practice compassion to be nicer to all the living beings around you and try to think from their point of view." << be nice to the other crabs in the bucket mkay
1501631;1468264495;mircea_popescu;the principal thinker from "their point of view" is the hunter.
1501632;1468264607;pete_dushenski;only until they were saved by the will of buddha snackbar
1501633;1468264654;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501003 << Typically all the church does is rent out the basement
1501634;1468264654;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 13:43 mircea_popescu: but these are different concerns. i dunno how it runs, but i don't think there's customarily some guy in the church extolling aa is there ?
1501635;1468264655;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500991 << /me would pay admission to watch bidding war in davout's webpage comments
1501636;1468264655;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 13:33 mircea_popescu: it's not JUST that websites masquerading as "business" and purporting to sell for "billions" notwithstanding they wouldn't gather bids worth 80 btc in an open market a la linkedin, watsap and so on.
1501637;1468264753;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501013 << what the shit kind of bearing on any conversation of consequence could us 'legal' definition have ?
1501638;1468264753;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 13:46 danielpbarron: that is a contradiction, at least according to the US legal definition -- a church is literally a "place of worship"
1501639;1468264780;mircea_popescu;you missed the part where he was doing some research.
1501640;1468264833;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501031 << no, that'd be the moslems. newest is bestest is truest! or else oldest. middle doesn't really factor, nor can it.
1501641;1468264833;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 13:50 danielpbarron: Christians are the true Jews
1501642;1468264868;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: no, i caught that part. just didn't see the bearing.
1501643;1468264900;mircea_popescu;...
1501644;1468264913;pete_dushenski;us legal defination can say that all potatoes must be mashed in churches, but how would this be enforced ?
1501645;1468264930;mircea_popescu;cuz you're trying to make a church to that spec ?
1501646;1468264933;trinque;I don't see how this lock has any bearing on breaking into this house
1501647;1468264943;pete_dushenski;it has window!
1501648;1468264994;trinque;name the window then
1501649;1468265015;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501011 <-- doesn't contradict because 'place of worship' definition because doesn't necessitate worship of 'god'
1501650;1468265015;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 13:46 mircea_popescu: i wonder if you can have a church that worships no god at all.
1501651;1468265034;pete_dushenski;can worship love, neh ?
1501652;1468265043;pete_dushenski;other abstraction ?
1501653;1468265060;pete_dushenski;'togetherness', etc.
1501654;1468265061;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501171 << Have same cert. Actual cost is nil.
1501655;1468265061;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 15:43 asciilifeform: if it is a decorative arch, that NOBODY will ever walk on - not hard.
1501656;1468265150;asciilifeform;it is very easy to make church with no godz, no doctrine, no history, etc. so long as you just want to wear a pope hat and hang certificate on wall
1501657;1468265166;asciilifeform;if you want to actually buy seven figs of tax-free real estate, etc. - different matter.
1501658;1468265175;trinque;see: scientology
1501659;1468265194;asciilifeform;as witnessed by the half dozen perfectly-conventional protestant churches whose licenses were yanked by obummer.
1501660;1468265208;asciilifeform;trinque: scientology was sui generis.
1501661;1468265231;asciilifeform;and is famous for successfully infiltrating fbi, rather than getting its ducks in a line legalistically.
1501662;1468265259;trinque;how's that unique; that seems to be the only road towards "actual church" that works
1501663;1468265278;asciilifeform;unique in being the sole 20th c. example.
1501664;1468265286;trinque;yeah because hard, but that's the road
1501665;1468265430;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501122 << ...singapore, switzerland, israel...
1501666;1468265430;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 15:21 asciilifeform: sop in ru, kr, fi, etc
1501667;1468265451;pete_dushenski;actually it's semi-surprisingly there aren't any singaporeans in the wot afaik
1501668;1468265455;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: aha. it is the contractor army that is unusual.
1501669;1468265471;pete_dushenski;(deedbot l2 wot, that is)
1501670;1468265490;pete_dushenski;then again, big space, how'd one know (or care)
1501671;1468265528;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: polaks even gearing up atm. integrating weekender 'paratrooper' divisions into general army
1501672;1468265733;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501208 <--> https://bitbet.us/bet/1223/gravitational-waves-will-be-found-by-ligo-before/ << recall!
1501673;1468265733;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:22 asciilifeform: 'So basically the LIGO team is admitting to publishing a manipulated final result and no real exact means for anyone outside of the LIGO project to duplicate it.  It also appears the team tried to bolster and perhaps even justify their reporting of this highly questionable second event by including a third one they had previously dismissed.'
1501674;1468265983;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501241 << 'Why, then, ’tis none to you, for there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. To me it is a prison.' (hamlet) (tm) (r)
1501675;1468265983;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 16:39 mircea_popescu: understand : the crime is never to have done so-and-so concrete item ; but to have done it WHILE DRESSED IN THE WRONG SHIRT.
1501676;1468266333;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501651 << http://www.atruechurch.info/godislove.html
1501677;1468266333;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:23 pete_dushenski: can worship love, neh ?
1501678;1468266354;pete_dushenski;http://e360.yale.edu/feature/insect_numbers_declining_why_it_matters/3012/#.V4ODWx4LMi0.twitter << gogogadget monocultural farming! fucking travesty the likes of which we have no conceivable way of measuring the consequences of.
1501679;1468266390;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: worx
1501680;1468266402;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501640 << http://www.atruechurch.info/quran.html
1501681;1468266402;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:20 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501031 << no, that'd be the moslems. newest is bestest is truest! or else oldest. middle doesn't really factor, nor can it.
1501682;1468266444;danielpbarron;plus, I'd love to see you get a muslim to say he's a jew
1501683;1468266565;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: not like i'd expect you to agree. more just tossing around armchair analysis. at the end of the day, most men want to die in the religion of their fathers.
1501684;1468266580;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: ha, ya that'll never happen eh
1501685;1468266641;pete_dushenski;moslem more likely to admit that he's a kiddie diddler like his prophet than a despicable hebe
1501686;1468266670;pete_dushenski;youngest wife of mohammed was what, 7 ? 9yo ?
1501687;1468266701;pete_dushenski;aha. 'aisha'. 9yo she was.
1501688;1468266974;pete_dushenski;bbias
1501689;1468267006;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: urls fxd
1501690;1468267011;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo .
1501691;1468267052;asciilifeform;can remove the now-useless comments.
1501692;1468267247;BingoBoingo;I'll keep
1501693;1468267275;BingoBoingo;May have been linked to, no way to tell
1501694;1468267520;deedbot;[Qntra] Activity On ChangeTip Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/activity-on-changetip-today/
1501695;1468267633;shinohai;thx BingoBoingo i didn't think it'd make it xD
1501696;1468267763;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: both changetip links point to same qntra comment
1501697;1468267803;shinohai;o/ pete_dushenski
1501698;1468267804;BingoBoingo;Amazing how that works
1501699;1468267834;BingoBoingo;That comment is the definitive explanation of the problem
1501700;1468267858;pete_dushenski;'it is the beginning, it is the end. it is the sunrise, it is the sunset'
1501701;1468267880;BingoBoingo;It failed to step 1
1501702;1468267909;pete_dushenski;2-steppin' ain't easy
1501703;1468268039;pete_dushenski;https://www.rt.com/uk/350687-urine-powered-phone-charger/ << 'Yes wee can! Pee-powered phone charger provides 3hrs call time' << obutthurt's legacy in a nutshell
1501704;1468268156;asciilifeform;'microbial fuel cell' << lel
1501705;1468268187;pete_dushenski;can only be proven on $bn machine! ;/
1501706;1468268207;asciilifeform;photovoltaic wasn't bad enough re joules-to-manufacture-vs-joules-lifetime-yield ratio, let's also make fuel cell, using whole bottom half of period table
1501707;1468268224;asciilifeform;*periodic
1501708;1468268334;pete_dushenski;incl. einsteinium, halfnium, tmsrium.
1501709;1468268389;jurov;let's make cell powered by prayer to tmsr designated deity
1501710;1468268432;asciilifeform;eh we have those now
1501711;1468268445;asciilifeform;if jurov's has run low, he needs a new sacrifice
1501712;1468268451;asciilifeform;(it runs on the dripping fat)
1501713;1468268587;pete_dushenski;and it's all gravy
1501714;1468269152;pete_dushenski;http://www.downvids.net/cute-tot-learns-to-spell-and-read-845614.html << in other 'teaching kids letters but not words' news
1501715;1468269181;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501659 << yeah seriously, what was wrong with them ? too white ?
1501716;1468269181;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:26 asciilifeform: as witnessed by the half dozen perfectly-conventional protestant churches whose licenses were yanked by obummer.
1501717;1468269337;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501676 << what's with all the focus on jesus with this guy anyway ? i don't recall exactly where he actually said jesus when meaning god, but in any case god is certainly fucking proud. he says so!
1501718;1468269337;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:45 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501651 << http://www.atruechurch.info/godislove.html
1501719;1468269378;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501682 << much like geting a mormon to admit john smith was an invidious peasant who lifted what he could from the bible.
1501720;1468269378;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:47 danielpbarron: plus, I'd love to see you get a muslim to say he's a jew
1501721;1468269416;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501687 a) marriage there doesn't mean what you think it does (it's a welfare-for-women arrangement) ; b) they didn't consumate it till much later.
1501722;1468269416;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:51 pete_dushenski: aha. 'aisha'. 9yo she was.
1501723;1468269446;pete_dushenski;o.
1501724;1468269475;pete_dushenski;in that case uncle mo isn't a kiddie diddler ?
1501725;1468269493;mircea_popescu;follow the logic : women are not allowed productive outlets. therefore, they're either supported or starve. if you don't want her to starve, you'll support her. to support her she has to live in your house, this isn't a dhl land. for a woman to live in your house, she'd better be married to you. therefore...
1501726;1468269541;mircea_popescu;that said, plenty of notable people in history were born out of women that never experienced menarche. it happens.
1501727;1468269549;pete_dushenski;i see that. thus, girl's father pays ~me~ to take her off his hands
1501728;1468269576;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << supposedly 'took party side'
1501729;1468269576;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 20:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501659 << yeah seriously, what was wrong with them ? too white ?
1501730;1468269578;asciilifeform;verboten.
1501731;1468269586;mircea_popescu;heh.
1501732;1468269590;asciilifeform;and yes, too white!111
1501733;1468269596;mircea_popescu;his outrage of a fucktarded friend is ok tho, what was his name
1501734;1468269607;mircea_popescu;the crazy obama's pastor fellow
1501735;1468269626;mircea_popescu;jeremiah wright
1501736;1468269626;pete_dushenski;jessie jackson ?
1501737;1468269652;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501726 << still sop in india
1501738;1468269652;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 20:39 mircea_popescu: that said, plenty of notable people in history were born out of women that never experienced menarche. it happens.
1501739;1468269656;asciilifeform;~nobody whines.
1501740;1468269917;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501706 << but it works "on your pee". the bottle's just a hidden externality! hidden in plain sight!
1501741;1468269917;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 20:16 asciilifeform: photovoltaic wasn't bad enough re joules-to-manufacture-vs-joules-lifetime-yield ratio, let's also make fuel cell, using whole bottom half of period table
1501742;1468269939;mircea_popescu;that's the important part, fucking urea solution, recast as "your pee!!!". not the rest. that.
1501743;1468269945;mircea_popescu;well done ustard, you've contributed! YOUR PEE!
1501744;1468269973;pete_dushenski;this is, ftr, volkswagen's 'advanced' diesel cleaning tech - urea injection
1501745;1468269974;*;mircea_popescu adds line to his absent social media profiles, "i can't be bothered to re-read this, and besides it's running on my piss anyway"
1501746;1468270018;pete_dushenski;has been for ~decade. the 'non-advanced' ones w/o piss tanks in trunk were the ones that needed to cheat nox emissions standards
1501747;1468270050;pete_dushenski;had every vw been outfitted with 'the people's pee', no nox problem. the irony!
1501748;1468270318;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1501749;1468270323;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 647.97, vol: 2836.62149298 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 638.16, vol: 5101.70109 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 649.55, vol: 14101.096444 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.0, vol: 2.22526438 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 649.665705, vol: 22658.86020000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 649.94, vol: 821.92739316 | Volume-weighted last average: 648.237035644
1501750;1468271402;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501683 << actually my parents are atheists
1501751;1468271402;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:49 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: not like i'd expect you to agree. more just tossing around armchair analysis. at the end of the day, most men want to die in the religion of their fathers.
1501752;1468271444;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << actually, from my reading of the official documentation, you can be denied simply for being "too similar" to other existing churches
1501753;1468271444;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 20:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501659 << yeah seriously, what was wrong with them ? too white ?
1501754;1468271495;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501717 << Jesus is God..
1501755;1468271495;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 20:35 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501676 << what's with all the focus on jesus with this guy anyway ? i don't recall exactly where he actually said jesus when meaning god, but in any case god is certainly fucking proud. he says so!
1501756;1468271548;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: were your parents' parents atheists as well ?
1501757;1468271693;danielpbarron;my dad's mom was a christian scientist and is therefor probably in hell now, her husband didn't practice anything that i'm aware of, and on my mom's side they were probably run-of-the-mill false christians of some sort, but whatever it was it didn't play a big role
1501758;1468271822;trinque;"christian science" entertains the shit out of me
1501759;1468271846;trinque;dares call itself that, based primarily on voodoo quackery
1501760;1468271884;trinque;"hm, that word science is going places; maybe we should hitch a ride!"
1501761;1468271918;danielpbarron;right, it is neither christian nor science, and it was founded by a woman
1501762;1468272002;pete_dushenski;like theranos!
1501763;1468272019;pete_dushenski;actually the similarities are striking.
1501764;1468272235;shinohai;I want a deity that's a cross between hanbot and La Santa Muerte.
1501765;1468272256;danielpbarron;well hanbot and I are the only faithful Eulorans heh heh
1501766;1468272328;shinohai;I walked around in circles for 3 days in Eulora. I'm probably dead or something now
1501767;1468272340;trinque;I am happy to be the God of any that require one. Please send your 10% tithe to deedbot's address.
1501768;1468272368;trinque;hell I'll make it 9%, undercut those other gods
1501769;1468272376;shinohai;*
1501770;1468272377;danielpbarron;shinohai, there is no death yet
1501771;1468272411;shinohai;Oh mircea_popescu is still looking for perfect death ?
1501772;1468272419;danielpbarron;my character "dies" hundreds of times daily
1501773;1468272465;danielpbarron;there can't be death before there is marriage, as we are supposed to pass on our assets to next of kin
1501774;1468272548;pete_dushenski;leave assets to church
1501775;1468272563;shinohai;or to cats
1501776;1468272568;danielpbarron;can't do that either, so far the only discovered skill in the 'faith' line is 'sacrifice'
1501777;1468272603;danielpbarron;if you got stuff to give, I can douse it in wine and burn it on an altar for ya though :D
1501778;1468272616;pete_dushenski;shinohai: nah they'd just blow it on catnip and balls of yarn
1501779;1468272627;pete_dushenski;at least churches build... churches
1501780;1468272951;danielpbarron;on a related note : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga-l_n91kYI
1501781;1468273189;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501752 << i dun think we're at risk.
1501782;1468273189;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 21:10 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << actually, from my reading of the official documentation, you can be denied simply for being "too similar" to other existing churches
1501783;1468273619;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501746 << iirc it was discovered that they all cheat, and the piss tank was a deliberate smoke'n'mirror sham.
1501784;1468273619;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 20:46 pete_dushenski: has been for ~decade. the 'non-advanced' ones w/o piss tanks in trunk were the ones that needed to cheat nox emissions standards
1501785;1468273623;asciilifeform;is in the l0gz, somewhere.
1501786;1468273792;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501649 << if this were trivial, every idiot would declare his house 'church of mammon' and pay 0 tax.
1501787;1468273792;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 19:23 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501011 <-- doesn't contradict because 'place of worship' definition because doesn't necessitate worship of 'god'
1501788;1468273795;trinque;this was the whole VW "scandal", that their combustion engines don't fart rainbows
1501789;1468274404;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 'curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz' << weren't we gonna stop doing this ?
1501790;1468274405;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1501791;1468274436;asciilifeform;and especially 'http://sourceforge.net/projects/boost/files/boost'
1501792;1468274438;asciilifeform;srsly, wtf
1501793;1468274689;asciilifeform;ahahahaha, speaking of sheriffs and deputies, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/11/at-least-four-people-reported-shot-at-michigan-courthouse.html
1501794;1468274698;asciilifeform;'Two court bailiffs were killed and a police officer shot Monday inside a southwestern Michigan courthouse when an inmate broke loose and got his hands on a deputy's gun, officials said.'
1501795;1468274731;asciilifeform;'A Berrien County Commissioner told WBND that a man who was on his way to jail took a gun off a deputy and started opening fire.'
1501796;1468274789;asciilifeform;see also treblinka uprising.
1501797;1468274846;asciilifeform;'The courthouse is located about 50 miles west of Kalamazoo, where an Uber driver killed six people in a shooting spree earlier this year.' << lel, did we miss this gem ?
1501798;1468274937;trinque;they happen so often who can keep up
1501799;1468275051;asciilifeform;related, lulzy, http://www.americanjail.org
1501800;1468275082;asciilifeform;'The American Jail Association (AJA) is the leading industry organization exclusively focused on supporting the professionals who staff and operate our nation's jails.'
1501801;1468275104;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Qntra just recently got a weather category and Uber driver seems to have been boring
1501802;1468275136;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/23/its-not-your-family-holding-you-back-its-your-shepherdlessness/ << treblinka
1501803;1468275228;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: looking into it, you mighta been right about the adblue scam. the 2.0l engines were the first to be called out for cheating emissions tests and they don't have the piss tanks, but the 3.0l engines were later called out and they ~did~
1501804;1468275313;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i was thinking of 'the young woman who, in the undressing room of Crematorium II at Auschwitz-Birkenau grabbed an SS officer’s pistol and shot two guards, killing one of them before herself being killed'
1501805;1468275316;asciilifeform;specifically.
1501806;1468275352;pete_dushenski;more than one instance eh
1501807;1468275533;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Perhaps write a qntra? It's been a while.
1501808;1468275595;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/20/us/kalamazoo-michigan-shooting-hearing << lulzy
1501809;1468275600;asciilifeform;re earlier.
1501810;1468275611;BingoBoingo;oh
1501811;1468275649;asciilifeform;http://abcnews.go.com/Health/teen-injured-uber-driver-shooting-im-warrior-princess/story?id=38648276 << related, and hilarious
1501812;1468275656;asciilifeform;'A Michigan teenager says she feels like a "warrior princess" after surviving a mass shooting that left her critically injured.'
1501813;1468275667;asciilifeform;WARRIOR PRINCESS!!!111111
1501814;1468275669;asciilifeform;priceless
1501815;1468275797;pete_dushenski;https://www.wired.com/2016/07/tesla-co-founder-making-electric-garbage-trucks-jet-tech-not/ << ok this actually makes a fair bit of sense. i can't be the only one who's doodled their 'dream garbage truck' on the inside cover of their notebook after being woken up at 6am to the sounds of bin clanging and diesel engine revving
1501816;1468275861;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: you're hearing the hydraulics
1501817;1468275891;pete_dushenski;that too
1501818;1468275943;pete_dushenski;the engines aren't quiet though. but probably the most egregious noise polluters are the bins themselves
1501819;1468275969;pete_dushenski;the swinging metal half-hatches bang and clang like there's no tomorrow
1501820;1468276065;asciilifeform;garbage truck will sound quite the same whether powered by diesel, fusor, or virgin tears.
1501821;1468276118;BingoBoingo;What does fusor sound like when idling?
1501822;1468276130;pete_dushenski;then 'tesla co-founder' doesn't actually address the problem that needed addressing. i guess we should be awed and surprised.
1501823;1468278785;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonGoNSFW/
1501824;1468278976;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501752 << that's certainly not a risk we run.
1501825;1468278976;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 21:10 danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501715 << actually, from my reading of the official documentation, you can be denied simply for being "too similar" to other existing churches
1501826;1468279001;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what do you mean "jesus is god". when did the entire son of god thing go away ?
1501827;1468279007;mircea_popescu;no more trinity, etc ?
1501828;1468279423;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501764 << you mean to cross mpoe-pr and catrina calavera ? just crossing one is bad enough, but both ?!?!
1501829;1468279423;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 21:23 shinohai: I want a deity that's a cross between hanbot and La Santa Muerte.
1501830;1468279504;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501793 << awww.
1501831;1468279504;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 22:04 asciilifeform: ahahahaha, speaking of sheriffs and deputies, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/11/at-least-four-people-reported-shot-at-michigan-courthouse.html
1501832;1468279586;mircea_popescu;"we need prayers". you don't need fucking prayers, you need to go the fuck away already.
1501833;1468279728;mircea_popescu;in all fairness the garbage service here is pretty quiet.
1501834;1468280036;mircea_popescu;who the fuck linked that codepink crap
1501835;1468280044;danielpbarron;the Son of God is God: He is His own father.
1501836;1468280100;danielpbarron;and yeah I hate the "pray for X" only after a tragedy. All of a sudden everyone is religious when on any other day they don't give a shit
1501837;1468280101;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seriously, "Medea Benjamin is the co-founder of the peace group CODEPINK and the human rights organization Global Exchange. She is the author of eight books, including " bla bla ?
1501838;1468280131;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron reading through that love page you linked, the guy's pretty innovative.
1501839;1468280161;mircea_popescu;it's certainly replete with heresy, apostasy an' error from both catholic and orthodox povs.
1501840;1468280202;danielpbarron;well he claims that the catholic church is a false one. ditto 'orthodox'
1501841;1468280217;mircea_popescu;kinda what innovative means here yeah.
1501842;1468280218;danielpbarron;there's a page for that one too
1501843;1468280599;mircea_popescu;btw, anyone knows teh sweet lolz of "operation eagle claw" ? "delta force" inaugural mission into comedy golds
1501844;1468280792;pete_dushenski;do tell ?
1501845;1468280813;mats;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxkfCdoU_90
1501846;1468280814;mircea_popescu;nah this'll have to be independent study, too thick for chat.
1501847;1468280848;mircea_popescu;3 hits ?
1501848;1468280858;mats;vidya of ru Mi-35M helicopter being shot down
1501849;1468280880;mats;looks like they deployed countermeasures
1501850;1468280881;mircea_popescu;what a beast of a machine.
1501851;1468280896;mircea_popescu;three shoulder fired rockets was it ? only went down once it lost the tail
1501852;1468280929;mircea_popescu;mats ah is the first two lights some sort of chaff ?
1501853;1468280951;mats;i think so, but i don't know a lot about aircraft
1501854;1468280982;mircea_popescu;me either. i thought the actually guided rockets are laser seeking anyway.
1501855;1468282704;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501837 << i dug it out more or less randomly
1501856;1468282704;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 23:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, "Medea Benjamin is the co-founder of the peace group CODEPINK and the human rights organization Global Exchange. She is the author of eight books, including " bla bla ?
1501857;1468282743;asciilifeform;the reds appear to be the ~only folk who even remember kissinger. ~everybody else has, evidently, the memory span of a goldfish
1501858;1468282892;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501845 << very recent american rocket.
1501859;1468282892;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 23:46 mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxkfCdoU_90
1501860;1468282904;asciilifeform;supplied to usg's beloved pets, free of charge.
1501861;1468282907;asciilifeform;just like in afghan.
1501862;1468283065;asciilifeform;in other gut-busting lulz, https://mic.com/articles/144228/echoes-exposed-the-secret-symbol-neo-nazis-use-to-target-jews-online
1501863;1468283081;asciilifeform;'In the early days of the social web, putting someone's name in multiple parentheses was meant to give that person a cute virtual hug. Today, it's something far more sinister. Neo-Nazis, anti-Semites and white nationalists have begun using three sets of parentheses encasing a Jewish surname — for instance, (((Fleishman))) — to identify and target Jews for harassment on blogs and major social media sites like Twitter. As one white
1501864;1468283081;asciilifeform; supremacist tweeted, "It's closed captioning for the Jew-blind."'
1501865;1468283127;asciilifeform;'The symbol comes from right-wing blog the Right Stuff, whose podcast The Daily Shoah featured a segment called "Merchant Minute" that gave Jewish names a cartoonish "echo" sound effect when uttered. The "parenthesis meme," as Right Stuff editors call it, is a visual pun. In Right Stuff propaganda, you'll often read that Jewish names "echo." According to the blog's lexicon page, "all Jewish surnames echo throughout history." In other
1501866;1468283127;asciilifeform; words, the supposed damage caused by Jewish people reverberates from decade to decade.'
1501867;1468283202;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 'curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz' << weren't we gonna stop doing this ? << didja read the SoBA?
1501868;1468283211;asciilifeform;mod6: aha?
1501869;1468283222;mod6;I have a new V99994 in testing as I type this.
1501870;1468283235;mod6;and I worked on the makefile thing over the weekend.  i'm getting there.
1501871;1468283237;asciilifeform;now for the gold, 'How have these trolls been able to hide harassment in plain sight? Partially because the ((())) symbol is difficult, if not impossible, for ordinary users to search for... If you try to search for "(((Last Name)))," Twitter's search engine strips the results of the parentheses'
1501872;1468283242;asciilifeform;mod6: neato.
1501873;1468283252;mod6;so, trust me, as soon as I have something, you'll be the first to know.
1501874;1468283260;asciilifeform;cool
1501875;1468283279;asciilifeform;'Twitter needs better tools to curb hate speech' << the crescendo, in linked turd.
1501876;1468283303;asciilifeform;wait till the derp learns that you can't parse parens with regexp...
1501877;1468283332;asciilifeform;'Twitter declined to address why the symbol is unsearchable on its platform, if a hate-speech filter would detect it or if the company plans to categorize the symbol as hate speech at all.'
1501878;1468284137;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501867   <<< has been tirelessly tested, yet!
1501879;1468284137;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 00:26 mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 'curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz' << weren't we gonna stop doing this ? << didja read the SoBA?
1501880;1468284208;mod6;shinohai: im also running the new V99994 build script with the updated openssl url now actually.  as well, the makeflies (the original ones from trinque) work as long as it contains the updates that I put in for the lastest versoin of V.
1501881;1468284255;mod6;I'm currently in the process of V-ifiying these now.  Which actually, passed one test just fine.
1501882;1468284307;mod6;It's a bit circular though.
1501883;1468284353;shinohai;oooh nice
1501884;1468284415;mod6;One would have to either, pull down /just the makefiles/ and build ..  OR pull V, sync against the mirror (or place patches in by hand), then press, then build the pressed dir (which also pulls patches depending on what is set in the makefiles themselves)
1501885;1468284499;mod6;the latter would build the full orchastra, and i believe (although haven't tried yet) you can simply place boost, openssl, and bdb in the 'shit' directory by hand to avoid downloading of deps from a remote site.
1501886;1468284511;mod6;same with V iirc.  anyway, gotta check that part out a bit more.
1501887;1468284600;mod6;anyway, it could be arragned both ways: 1. we hand out a bundle of makefiles - you make, you get a bitcoind. 2. you get V, you press your own thing, then you make the makefiles as you wish.
1501888;1468284988;mod6;either way, a bit more work to do here.
1501889;1468284993;mod6;but off to a good start.
1501890;1468286944;pete_dushenski;"The Russian Government has passed a new law that mandates that every provider must log all Russian internet traffic for up to a year. We believe that due to the enforcement regime surrounding this new law, some of our Russian Servers (RU) were recently seized by Russian Authorities, without notice or any type of due process. We think it’s because we are the most outspoken and only verified no-log VPN p
1501891;1468286944;pete_dushenski;rovider." << from pia. and with that, adieu!
1501892;1468287978;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, "pokemon go" is missing the /core fucking pokemon interaction/
1501893;1468287988;ben_vulpes;eg wandering about and encountering pokemon and trainers to battle
1501894;1468287992;ben_vulpes;what the ever loving f
1501895;1468288445;mod6;so just built V99994 build script on gentoo, werks good.
1501896;1468288612;mod6;building via makefiles from pressed wild makefile.vpatch ... so far so good...
1501897;1468288707;trinque;sweet!
1501898;1468288889;trinque;ben_vulpes: that "game" serves two functions, cameras and mics on everywhere, and taking the state's pets for a walk. if it's pokemans, it's the n64 "snap" variety, but shittier.
1501899;1468288993;mod6;trinque: yeah!
1501900;1468289014;mod6;build is running now.  looking good.  will update again in here when that build completes.
1501901;1468290547;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501890 << hey, orcs are poor, they dun have a centralized bureau of packet log
1501902;1468290547;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 01:29 pete_dushenski: "The Russian Government has passed a new law that mandates that every provider must log all Russian internet traffic for up to a year. We believe that due to the enforcement regime surrounding this new law, some of our Russian Servers (RU) were recently seized by Russian Authorities, without notice or any type of due process. We think it’s because we are the most outspoken and only verified no-log VPN p
1501903;1468290660;asciilifeform;'verified no-log VPN' << lul
1501904;1468290672;asciilifeform;'verified', one is left to wonder, by whom? pope ?
1501905;1468290740;ben_vulpes;trinque: nah, it's to get the millenials looking at something other than how easily cops are killed when they step out in public
1501906;1468290759;ben_vulpes;"augmented reality" my left fucking testicle.
1501907;1468290770;ben_vulpes;it overlays a shitty 3d pokemodel over the video input
1501908;1468290802;ben_vulpes;trinque: the *other* thing it's good for is harvesting "all-permission" google federated logins
1501909;1468290816;ben_vulpes;yes, the thing wants 700 on users google accounts
1501910;1468291749;mats;lol, somebody in ##security claims PIA is running Apache 2.2.22 on an outdated linux box
1501911;1468291843;asciilifeform;dafuq, again, is 'pia'
1501912;1468291844;asciilifeform;?
1501913;1468291868;asciilifeform;and - why to care ?
1501914;1468291904;asciilifeform;to me, 'pia' is still that weird i/o chip in the commodore-64.
1501915;1468292086;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: did i wake up in '90s, or wat, why suddenly the interest in 'pokemon'
1501916;1468292100;asciilifeform;because game with camera? these existed 5 yrs ago.
1501917;1468292132;asciilifeform;i would ask, 'slow news weeks', ?, but it wasn't...
1501918;1468292184;asciilifeform;9 out of 10 times when i am puzzled like this, i dig in and learn that... apparently folks read reddit. or equiv.
1501919;1468292190;asciilifeform;my mind boggles.
1501920;1468292418;ben_vulpes;tis only psyops.
1501921;1468292470;asciilifeform;perhaps BingoBoingo could open an 'aa' for thinking folk who find themselves redditing.
1501922;1468292473;ben_vulpes;millenials need something to do on their ipnohes other than read clickbait about cop killan
1501923;1468292478;ben_vulpes;and no, not reddit.
1501924;1468292503;asciilifeform;even vodka is improvement over reddit.
1501925;1468292515;asciilifeform;more folks ought to consider it.
1501926;1468292520;ben_vulpes;4/6 of the officefolk came in jabbering about it
1501927;1468292525;asciilifeform;ugh
1501928;1468292533;ben_vulpes;then went wandering around the cemetary 'capturing' pokemon
1501929;1468292537;asciilifeform;grown men ?
1501930;1468292537;ben_vulpes;needless to say, everyone's fired.
1501931;1468292557;ben_vulpes;lol, asciilifeform imagines i work with adults
1501932;1468292563;asciilifeform;i have nfi who ben_vulpes works with
1501933;1468292567;asciilifeform;perhaps sheep, i dunno
1501934;1468292576;ben_vulpes;even more lulzily, asciilifeform implies /me/ to be a grown man
1501935;1468292623;ben_vulpes;$google peter pan syndrome
1501936;1468292629;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Pan_Syndrome << Peter Pan Syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kristen-houghton/the-peter-pan-syndrome_b_6127308.html << Peter Pan Syndrome | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puer_aeternus << Puer aeternus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1501937;1468292636;ben_vulpes;and some girls
1501938;1468292645;asciilifeform;can peter pan all you like, but i had distinct impression that pokemon was a thing among ~very young~ chillunz
1501939;1468292659;asciilifeform;but apparently not ?
1501940;1468292676;ben_vulpes;well i installed it to see how much of the 'pokemon red' experience was replicated
1501941;1468292689;asciilifeform;what was 'pokemon red' ?
1501942;1468292716;asciilifeform;(the current one is some other colour?)
1501943;1468292778;ben_vulpes;teh first!
1501944;1468292784;ben_vulpes;there were many others.
1501945;1468292905;ben_vulpes;this one is 'pokemon go'
1501946;1468292911;ben_vulpes;as in 'go, get stabbed' i guess
1501947;1468292921;ben_vulpes;http://www.oregonlive.com/forest-grove/index.ssf/2016/07/forest_grove_police_log_15.html << see july 10
1501948;1468292996;asciilifeform;speaking of which, i'm still waiting for the inevitable orc vs. police gamez.
1501949;1468293043;ben_vulpes;'human readable'!
1501950;1468293083;asciilifeform;'A man stole a slab of ribs from a local market. The suspected rib-thief from the prior day was found, also in possession of meth and a stolen bicycle (but no ribs). During the arrest, the man allegedly head butted and dented the arresting officer's car.'
1501951;1468293131;asciilifeform;'Police received a call that a man was sitting by a tree and staring suspiciously at a local bank. The man was trying to get out of the rain.'
1501952;1468293196;asciilifeform;ah found it.
1501953;1468293246;ben_vulpes;classic portland lols
1501954;1468293253;*;ben_vulpes off to walk rent and baby to landlords
1501955;1468293257;ben_vulpes;ideally will leave both there
1501956;1468293948;mats;asciilifeform: PIA is this thing enormously popular with redditors
1501957;1468293974;mats;which also takes buttcoins and i see nao that they've sponsored buttcointalk
1501958;1468296154;mats;also, what makes you think it was a usg rocket?
1501959;1468296309;mats;plenty of manpads to be had from assad's looted depots
1501960;1468298368;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “Never, by God, I say, For my misdeed shall kinsmen hear the blame” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/11/never-by-god-i-say-for-my-misdeed-shall-kinsmen-hear-the-blame/
1501961;1468299474;mod6;build with makefiles worked fine.
1501962;1468299486;mod6;more to come...
1501963;1468299497;mod6;(hopefully tomorrow)
1501964;1468309048;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: did i wake up in '90s, or wat, why suddenly the interest in 'pokemon' << Surveillance tool for smartpnoHe
1501965;1468313796;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/12YR
1501966;1468313797;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1501967;1468314207;shinohai;Oh i forgot to add "Sorry for your loss" at the end.
1501968;1468314242;deedbot;[Qntra] Antminer Flaw Allows Machine Takeover - http://qntra.net/2016/07/antminer-flaw-allows-machine-takeover/
1501969;1468315585;jurov;http://qntra.net/2016/07/activity-on-changetip-today/ << trinque looks like deedbot skipped this
1501970;1468315661;jurov;and btw, it's kettle calling the pot black, mpex hasn't fared much better
1501971;1468316206;shinohai;Perhaps I was lampooning the state of Bitcoin at large.
1501972;1468318095;*;jurov throws some peanuts at shinohai
1501973;1468324379;thestringpuller;missed you jurov !
1501974;1468324383;thestringpuller;how was your weekend?
1501975;1468324399;jurov;fine, was at a festival
1501976;1468324581;jurov;how did you know i'm with hippies?
1501977;1468324587;thestringpuller;jurov: it's kettle calling the pot black, mpex hasn't fared much better << i guess this is what happens when options aren't an option, and the listed businesses take decades to monetize.
1501978;1468324637;thestringpuller;jurov: I think you told me about a hippie fest you went to back in 2014. Sent me pics. Kind of like a bonfire burn but less effigy-ish.
1501979;1468325477;jurov;http://gizmodo.com/amazons-new-offices-will-contain-literal-jungle-1783441931 lol, took "billion monkeys" too literally
1501980;1468327764;shinohai;http://archive.is/mYLLJ <<< "You may have noticed that the DAO is empty again."
1501981;1468328591;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1327
1501982;1468328592;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1501983;1468332732;trinque;jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501694 << didn't skip it
1501984;1468332732;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 20:05 deedbot: [Qntra] Activity On ChangeTip Today - http://qntra.net/2016/07/activity-on-changetip-today/
1501985;1468336364;trinque;http://qz.com/724166/nordic-politicians-are-debating-making-school-mandatory-for-old-people/ << nordic cucks taking socialist neoteny to an obvious next step
1501986;1468336412;trinque;Hell, why don't they just keep them institutionalized throughout life? I'm sure I'm the first to think of this.
1501987;1468336859;trinque;http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-11/facebook-sued-for-1b-for-alleged-hamas-use-of-medium-for-terror << in other lol, the tortatron decides Facebook something something Hamas, give us a billion
1501988;1468337251;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501857 << i remember!
1501989;1468337251;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 00:19 asciilifeform: the reds appear to be the ~only folk who even remember kissinger. ~everybody else has, evidently, the memory span of a goldfish
1501990;1468337302;mircea_popescu;seems more a case of "the reds are the only ones that remember a version of kissinger i approve of", which is fine and all, but... i've yet to see correct history in the heads of reds. so that might be a... RED flag right there.
1501991;1468337339;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501858 << do tell me how do you know that ?!
1501992;1468337339;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 00:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501845 << very recent american rocket.
1501993;1468337426;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501871 << are we going to do (((tmsr))) from now on for various relevant items ? like you know ((((v))))
1501994;1468337426;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 00:27 asciilifeform: now for the gold, 'How have these trolls been able to hide harassment in plain sight? Partially because the ((())) symbol is difficult, if not impossible, for ordinary users to search for... If you try to search for "(((Last Name)))," Twitter's search engine strips the results of the parentheses'
1501995;1468337433;mircea_popescu;it's pretty idiotic, but then again kinda lulzy...
1501996;1468337471;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501876 << this is impossible for them to learn. i've in time discovered regexp is absolutely the pons asinorum of computing.
1501997;1468337471;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 00:28 asciilifeform: wait till the derp learns that you can't parse parens with regexp...
1501998;1468337485;mircea_popescu;it separates the excel user from the windows/perl programmer!
1501999;1468337545;mircea_popescu;and in other news, "Hello viewer am here to share my testimony on how I finally join the Illuminati hood and became rich, I tried all my possible best to become a member of the hood but I was scam several times"
1502000;1468337552;mircea_popescu;teh illuminati hood, brother.
1502001;1468337562;mats;respect
1502002;1468337635;mircea_popescu;the world as reflected in the eyes of these mammals. so alien, so shocking.
1502003;1468337793;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501905 << i really dun buy either theory. to me seems much lighter than that : finally ugc that could conceivably work, why spend money for background art for your game (most expensive, least impact) when you could just use luser's own (MASSIVE, NEVER reviewed) collection of snaps and perhaps even get a little residual value out of whatever value they may carry with him.
1502004;1468337793;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 02:32 ben_vulpes: trinque: nah, it's to get the millenials looking at something other than how easily cops are killed when they step out in public
1502005;1468337827;mircea_popescu;gotta remember, these "mass" items only aim to get a few cents out of each user, or somesuch. it is conceivable that they unlock a dime of value out of each derp's picture "collection", from which they can then extract two fiddy
1502006;1468337893;mircea_popescu;i can't see it as anything other than 1) phone cos keep pushing "snap everything", "capture the moment" blabla so 2) people take loads of pictures which 3) are never used for anything because they suck and who cares.
1502007;1468337919;mircea_popescu;lest that anyone notices 3, how about some derivative usage or something. pre this game, "i got the biggest pic collection" said nobody ever. now, it's almost a point.
1502008;1468338030;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501916 << this one was advertised.
1502009;1468338030;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 02:55 asciilifeform: because game with camera? these existed 5 yrs ago.
1502010;1468338122;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501923 << girl got in trouble over reddit bs, upon examination source turned out as "popurl". elder rose one eyebrow, "are you going to ban social media?"
1502011;1468338122;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 03:01 ben_vulpes: and no, not reddit.
1502012;1468338146;mircea_popescu;elder knows. no, i'm not going to ban social media ; but do not expect there's any difference. from wikipedia to 9gag, they are all exactly the same thing, same material, same stuff.
1502013;1468338301;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501925 << vodka blows ; you want tuica. plum distillate, not fucking grainz. and 52% not fucking 70 proof wtf is that bs.
1502014;1468338301;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 03:01 asciilifeform: more folks ought to consider it.
1502015;1468338371;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501930 << lmao, methinks B as the galz call him will mature into a fine Bezos over the years.
1502016;1468338371;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 03:02 ben_vulpes: needless to say, everyone's fired.
1502017;1468338507;mircea_popescu;from http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501947 "Two dancers claimed they were being poisoned by a regular customer at the club. Officers were informed by medical staff that there were no signs of poison and  their symptoms may be caused by their diet."
1502018;1468338507;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 03:08 ben_vulpes: http://www.oregonlive.com/forest-grove/index.ssf/2016/07/forest_grove_police_log_15.html << see july 10
1502019;1468338538;mircea_popescu;"poisoned" as in, the crazed bitches decided dude's slipping them roofies. because too much time spent on pokemedia.
1502020;1468338567;mircea_popescu;"A caller reported seeing a person in a rabbit costume oddly walking around. Police located the individual who was trying out a homemade wolf/dragon costume." o man these are fucking great :D
1502021;1468338695;mircea_popescu;"Guests at a local hotel requested police check on suspicious banging and thumping noises from an adjacent room. Officers found another guest who was simply unpacking." << people visiting portland should be fucking stabbed. seriously just how fucking bored do you need to be.
1502022;1468338773;mircea_popescu;"Police responded to a call about a child who was acting out, kicking holes in walls and punching doors." << everyone FROM portland should also be stabbed. in the eye!
1502023;1468338790;mircea_popescu;what the fuck, the place for which cement is named, now has kids kicking holes in "walls" ?
1502024;1468338800;mircea_popescu;god smote sodomah for less, dudes!
1502025;1468338966;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501956 << ok but what does it do ?
1502026;1468338966;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 03:25 mats: asciilifeform: PIA is this thing enormously popular with redditors
1502027;1468339051;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/07/antminer-flaw-allows-machine-takeover << ok this was pretty lulzy
1502028;1468339109;mats;its a vpn service
1502029;1468339156;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1502030;1468339267;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501970 << you mean, coinbr. mpex is not part of this discussion, it's the changetip's bitcoin. so... get crackin' ?
1502031;1468339267;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 09:27 jurov: and btw, it's kettle calling the pot black, mpex hasn't fared much better
1502032;1468339388;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501981 << the power of shitcoins : much like bitcoin makes everyone a bitcoiner, be they usg.nsa or whatever else, just so scamcoin makes everyone a scammer. they may start as "white hat" or "robin hood" or whatever, but in the end the dark nature of the item compels them.
1502033;1468339388;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 13:03 shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1327
1502034;1468339530;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501986 << not a bad idea anyway! sets the stage nicely for http://trilema.com/2016/the-darkening/
1502035;1468339530;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 15:13 trinque: Hell, why don't they just keep them institutionalized throughout life? I'm sure I'm the first to think of this.
1502036;1468339605;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501987 << they could pay ... well, "pay" 25 bn for ~worthless watsapp to reallocate fiatola to favored son ; why shouldn't they pay i mean "pay" 1bn for ~worthless legal clai mto reallocate fiatola to the OTHER favoured son ? what, you mean the other favored son isn't favored ?
1502037;1468339605;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 15:20 trinque: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-11/facebook-sued-for-1b-for-alleged-hamas-use-of-medium-for-terror << in other lol, the tortatron decides Facebook something something Hamas, give us a billion
1502038;1468339962;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501827 holy trinity, holy virgin mary, etc. are constructs made on various councils "by komyoonity"
1502039;1468339962;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 23:16 mircea_popescu: no more trinity, etc ?
1502040;1468340097;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501990 << let's have the s333333kr1t, lovable kissinger ? can haz article ?
1502041;1468340097;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 15:28 mircea_popescu: seems more a case of "the reds are the only ones that remember a version of kissinger i approve of", which is fine and all, but... i've yet to see correct history in the heads of reds. so that might be a... RED flag right there.
1502042;1468340141;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502030 isee, mpex isn't part of the discussion anymore
1502043;1468340141;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 16:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501970 << you mean, coinbr. mpex is not part of this discussion, it's the changetip's bitcoin. so... get crackin' ?
1502044;1468340145;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501991 << conjecture. the multiple flashes are reminiscent of recent ru 'igla', the one with dual warhead. and smart money would bet that this is not a ru rocket. ergo..
1502045;1468340145;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 15:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501858 << do tell me how do you know that ?!
1502046;1468340187;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501996 << it is kindergarten-level discrete maths..
1502047;1468340187;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 15:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501876 << this is impossible for them to learn. i've in time discovered regexp is absolutely the pons asinorum of computing.
1502048;1468340260;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502013 << to every man, his native vodka.
1502049;1468340260;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 15:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501925 << vodka blows ; you want tuica. plum distillate, not fucking grainz. and 52% not fucking 70 proof wtf is that bs.
1502050;1468340414;asciilifeform;'It is not a huge problem for the very well-educated. But with a rising pension age, people approaching 60-65 years—who still have 5–10 years more on the labour market—they should have the opportunity to refresh their skills seriously. And as a new mandatory right.'
1502051;1468340419;asciilifeform;MANDATORY RIGHT!!11111111
1502052;1468340421;asciilifeform;gold.
1502053;1468340529;deedbot;[Qntra] DAO Is Empty Again - http://qntra.net/2016/07/dao-is-empty-again/
1502054;1468340541;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501871 << are we going to do (((tmsr))) from now on for various relevant items ? like you know ((((v)))) << Can't do this on Qntra because footnotes
1502055;1468340541;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 00:27 asciilifeform: now for the gold, 'How have these trolls been able to hide harassment in plain sight? Partially because the ((())) symbol is difficult, if not impossible, for ordinary users to search for... If you try to search for "(((Last Name)))," Twitter's search engine strips the results of the parentheses'
1502056;1468340663;Framedragger;so husserl's bracketing technique in phenomenology is used for signaling online harassment targets in sociul meedia. world is truly a place of wonder
1502057;1468340791;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: You know that French Jew Husserl was the king antisemite. Why else did he spend so much time working on Heidegger!
1502058;1468340844;Framedragger;literal lol :D
1502059;1468340853;asciilifeform;any caltrop thrown under the wheels of the auto-censor idiots, is happy news.
1502060;1468343341;ben_vulpes;http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2016/07/how_puerto_rico_beat_the_hedge_funds.html << obab gets to claim victory, kicks can down road for successors. ¡sorpresa!
1502061;1468343480;ben_vulpes;http://lisapopescu.tumblr.com/post/147288700147/lisa-is-back-and-keeping-it-panda-chic << also, panda!
1502062;1468343506;*;ben_vulpes to investigate how apple has broken his whitelabeling toolchain. again. still. now.
1502063;1468343533;asciilifeform;re the idiocy from last night, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/07/12/holocaust-museum-to-visitors-please-stop-catching-pokemon-here
1502064;1468343573;asciilifeform;'One image circulating online appears to show a player encountering an unsettling digital critter inside the museum: a Pokémon called Koffing that emits poisonous gas floating by a sign for the museum's Helena Rubinstein Auditorium. The auditorium shows the testimonials of Jews who survived the gas chambers.'
1502065;1468343764;BingoBoingo;$b 2 win
1502066;1468343848;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The correct term for this is viral marketing
1502067;1468343856;asciilifeform;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/07/12/yale-dishwasher-resigns-after-smashing-racist-very-degrading-stained-glass-window/?tid=pm_pop_b << from same fishwrap, lulzy
1502068;1468343877;asciilifeform;'A black Yale University dishwasher has resigned after he smashed a stained-glass window that depicted slaves picking cotton. ... Menafee, the former dishwasher, holds a degree in mass communications from Virginia Union University, a historically black college in Richmond, according to the Independent.'
1502069;1468343929;thestringpuller;"Funny thing when you pay people with promises. If you make them wait long enough and they die the next generation can be scammed again" << why is this true :(
1502070;1468344027;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Look at this mixed race group of robberz! http://gizmodo.com/armed-robbers-used-pokemon-go-to-find-9-victims-1783416898
1502071;1468344041;BingoBoingo;One white, One Black, one Other!
1502072;1468344046;BingoBoingo;Diversity!!!!
1502073;1468344256;thestringpuller;classic desperation. too bad the mobile market killed gaming. too many fuckers playing candy crush.
1502074;1468344259;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli
1502075;1468344260;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1502076;1468344352;felipelalli;hi BingoBoingo!
1502077;1468344502;BingoBoingo;hi felipelalli How are the Olympics?
1502078;1468344664;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: I'm totally out of it. :) I hate Rio, to be honest.
1502079;1468344695;BingoBoingo;Ah yeah shitting into the bay sound like its kind of the Chicago of Brazil
1502080;1468344790;deedbot;[Qntra] Shots Fired At D.C. Police Oficers - http://qntra.net/2016/07/shots-fired-at-d-c-police-oficers/
1502081;1468344826;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501892 << had it for a day; uninstalled. agreed. besides obvious data mining scheme, the game itself fucking sucks. I'd rather play original on 90's gameboy brick (still have it to this day, and it works!)
1502082;1468344826;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 01:46 ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, "pokemon go" is missing the /core fucking pokemon interaction/
1502083;1468344831;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502038 << well, mary is more the result of common folk wanna worship a woman. the triune doctrine definitely top down sort of nonsense forced upon the masses because of abstract needs of the thinking man.
1502084;1468344831;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 16:12 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1501827 holy trinity, holy virgin mary, etc. are constructs made on various councils "by komyoonity"
1502085;1468344857;mircea_popescu;but yes, xtian doctrine is the result of many many years of negotiation, often expensive - as in the case of enricus dandolo say
1502086;1468344918;BingoBoingo;lobbes: Incidentally "classic" poke-a-mans would be useful for developing a rudimentary sneakernet.
1502087;1468344938;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502040 << i dunno about lovable part ; but inquiry as to what exactly is the problem with him produced nothing, so... i'ma just let that sit.
1502088;1468344938;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 16:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1501990 << let's have the s333333kr1t, lovable kissinger ? can haz article ?
1502089;1468344984;mircea_popescu;discussion went something like "i never heard of who was architect of nixon historical visit to china ; i have heard that kissinger is at fault for vietnam (never heard that he got nobel prize for ending that war)" "well, read less codepizd or w/e you're reading"
1502090;1468345091;asciilifeform;after digging in, i'm sold
1502091;1468345100;mircea_popescu;re the helicopter/rocket, it's by now established that the heli fired flares.
1502092;1468345107;asciilifeform;then nfi.
1502093;1468345125;mircea_popescu;ie, what happened was, rocket locked, launched, heli got "incoming" alert, fired a pair of flares, rocket actually missed it but got the tail anyway
1502094;1468345126;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502086 << dunno. cables were annoying as fuck. and even with wi-fi not even cazalla got a chance to play X or Y with me.
1502095;1468345126;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 17:35 BingoBoingo: lobbes: Incidentally "classic" poke-a-mans would be useful for developing a rudimentary sneakernet.
1502096;1468345131;mircea_popescu;fluke/accident sort of downing
1502097;1468345168;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: cables are necessary for actual data transfer
1502098;1468345190;BingoBoingo;Hey, Zbigniew Brzezinski still makes morning television appearances
1502099;1468345274;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: I really hated the original gameboy transfer mechanism when wireless became a thing. Easier to battle and trade with your friends between classrooms.
1502100;1468345294;mircea_popescu;re regexp : yes, kindergarten level but TOO MANY OF COMPLEX
1502101;1468345310;mircea_popescu;plus recursion
1502102;1468345370;mircea_popescu;recursion is prolly the core of the pons ; tbh much more than "iq <100" vs "iq > 100" traditionally translated as "college man" vs "common man" or w/e ; "comprehends recursion" is much better a divide.
1502103;1468345402;asciilifeform;iirc hofstadter had a very similar thought.
1502104;1468345440;mircea_popescu;yeah i claim no discovery.
1502105;1468345485;mircea_popescu;recall the ancient discussion with cads re his girlfriend and her "intuition" about the diagonal proof ?
1502106;1468345490;mircea_popescu;SAME fucking recursion being the problem.
1502107;1468345508;felipelalli;Speaking of "outdoor game", any of you guys play geocaching?
1502108;1468345521;mircea_popescu;i don't even have a smartphone.
1502109;1468345529;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can't seem to turn it up in the l0gz
1502110;1468345541;mircea_popescu;lemme fish it out
1502111;1468345593;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/squares-do-morals-a-porno/#footnote_9_49613 << apparently only survives in trilema record.
1502112;1468345601;mircea_popescu;hey phf you getting the historical log added to search ?
1502113;1468345610;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: do you own a Nokia 6120?
1502114;1468345622;mircea_popescu;now i gotta look
1502115;1468345655;mircea_popescu;samsung gt
1502116;1468345681;mircea_popescu;uh no. samsung e1200
1502117;1468345762;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502056 << this is what you get for sending ustards to college. they "adapt" what they read to the "practical needs" in their environment. problem ?
1502118;1468345762;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 16:24 Framedragger: so husserl's bracketing technique in phenomenology is used for signaling online harassment targets in sociul meedia. world is truly a place of wonder
1502119;1468345859;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502060 <<< argentina will be FUCKING THRILLED.
1502120;1468345859;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 17:09 ben_vulpes: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2016/07/how_puerto_rico_beat_the_hedge_funds.html << obab gets to claim victory, kicks can down road for successors. ¡sorpresa!
1502121;1468346036;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502061 << baby's first heroin od ?
1502122;1468346036;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 17:11 ben_vulpes: http://lisapopescu.tumblr.com/post/147288700147/lisa-is-back-and-keeping-it-panda-chic << also, panda!
1502123;1468346179;phf;mircea_popescu: yah, it's not forgotten. i wrote a parser for it, but need to go make sure that negative ids work everywhere
1502124;1468346222;mircea_popescu;kk
1502125;1468346250;mircea_popescu;so the pokemon robbers robbed the robbees of what, their pokemon phones ?
1502126;1468346278;mircea_popescu;none of this is much helped in respectability by the fact that a common ro language insult for idiotic younger kids / small brothers etc is "ba, pokemonilor", ie, you pokemons.
1502127;1468346304;mircea_popescu;possibly because of ben_vulpes and his pokemon red being just about the right age... twenty years ago or so ?
1502128;1468346316;BingoBoingo;Yeah
1502129;1468346325;BingoBoingo;I think just about 20 years now
1502130;1468346341;mircea_popescu;why hate rio felipelalli ?
1502131;1468346359;BingoBoingo;But what the diverse gang of three did was apparently use the app to find pokemon hotspot and rob distracted derps
1502132;1468346363;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli
1502133;1468346363;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1502134;1468346477;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: it's like a big slum, and it is too dangerous.
1502135;1468346496;mircea_popescu;eh who cares. how about the cunts ? the booze ?
1502136;1468346501;mircea_popescu;what are we now, middle class ?
1502137;1468346562;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: well, if you can survive, the cunts are good there, for sure! lol
1502138;1468346582;mircea_popescu;obviously a few million people do manage to survive amirite :)
1502139;1468346654;felipelalli;it's not so bad like that, I'm a little paranoid! But you mix the paranoia + some violence and...
1502140;1468346676;felipelalli;I hate when I have to go there, I try to avoid aways.
1502141;1468346678;mircea_popescu;http://www.world-wide-whore.com/2009/09/06/brazil-and-safety/ in other lulz
1502142;1468346811;felipelalli;Rio is to me like another planet. It really worth to know one day. It's different.
1502143;1468346812;asciilifeform;^ mochila o muerte!!!11
1502144;1468346872;felipelalli;BingoBoingo: what is the best state of US to live?
1502145;1468346889;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: Wyoming, still has Allodial title to the land
1502146;1468346931;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: whatcha been smoking
1502147;1468346939;asciilifeform;aint no such thing as allodial title in usaschwitz
1502148;1468346944;asciilifeform;or any other 'civilized' place.
1502149;1468346958;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There is in Wyoming for right price. It's why the Cheneys are there
1502150;1468346970;BingoBoingo;Or at least the closest thing to it
1502151;1468346979;asciilifeform;with enfangthief ?!
1502152;1468347011;BingoBoingo;What, worse fates exists
1502153;1468347068;felipelalli;what is "allodial", sorry my ignorance.
1502154;1468347101;thestringpuller;when you actually own the land
1502155;1468347102;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: You don't lost the land if you don't pay property taxes. Actual definition includes further rights beyond that.
1502156;1468347122;thestringpuller;"Many Americans have not come to the realization that their homes, businesses, and properties are collateral on the federal debt, even if you have the deed and it’s paid for, in FULL! If the federal government defaults on its interest obligation, the private World Bankers automatically become the new "Land Lords" of every home, business, and property in the United States.
1502157;1468347156;felipelalli;wow, sounds good.
1502158;1468347157;BingoBoingo;Wyoming fails too on reasons like EPA can tell you not to do stuff on land
1502159;1468347175;thestringpuller;I'm certain if bankers wanted land they just hire guys with guns to take it from you
1502160;1468347187;thestringpuller;in situation of "massive default"
1502161;1468347442;asciilifeform;as often is the case with title wankage, search yields gold: http://individualsovereignty.blogspot.com/2013/09/allodial-title.html
1502162;1468347467;asciilifeform;containing known scam:
1502163;1468347469;asciilifeform;'The vehicle title that you may hold is not a full, paramount title unless you have the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO) of the vehicle...and that is held by the State.  You are not allowed to possess it.  [In almost all cases, new car dealers automatically submit MCOs to the State...unless you insist that it be given to you.]  As soon as you "register" your vehicle, if you have an MCO, you must submit it to the State. '
1502164;1468347479;asciilifeform;http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/MCOs.htm << for n00bz.
1502165;1468347489;thestringpuller;in situation of "massive default"
1502166;1468347503;asciilifeform;the 'sovereign citizen' crapolade from mircea_popescu's article re same.
1502167;1468347573;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: if usaschwitz were purchased, invaded, ceded to, occupied by, malevolent martians, very few people would notice a difference.
1502168;1468347629;asciilifeform;http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/deadissues.htm << overall very interesting site from a mircea_popescutronic perspective.
1502169;1468347839;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: there is not, cannot be, any such thing as actual allodial title in any country you're likely to visit, and anyone who informed you to the contrary is selling something.
1502170;1468347997;thestringpuller;^- http://freedomforallseasons.org/AllodialLandPatentReports/DO%20YOU%20HAVE%20ALLODIAL%20TITLE%20ON%20YOUR%20PROPERTY_html.htm << hey he's selling a book for 40 bucks
1502171;1468348006;thestringpuller;For more information on The History,
1502172;1468348006;thestringpuller;Supreme Court Decision and how to obtain
1502173;1468348006;thestringpuller;your Land Patent, "CLICK HERE"
1502174;1468348006;thestringpuller;for and Order Form to send with a
1502175;1468348011;thestringpuller;UGH
1502176;1468348015;thestringpuller;i hate you irssi
1502177;1468348015;asciilifeform;american law is sufficiently complicated, but - more importantly - arbitrary in its application, that there exists an entire subculture of sc4mz0rz peddling 'legal miracle cures' to idiots
1502178;1468348025;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu do you have the link to your series re: same handy ?
1502179;1468348054;thestringpuller;"Did someone touch you the wrong way at work? Sue them!!!! For $9.99"
1502180;1468348066;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: nah, that's free
1502181;1468348395;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli
1502182;1468348395;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1502183;1468348429;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If person asks "What creature shits most delicious turds" I'm still prolly going to offer coffee bean civet.
1502184;1468348864;*;jurov offers honey
1502185;1468348919;BingoBoingo;ty
1502186;1468349377;BingoBoingo;https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--wT3W_8_2--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/zgeapifsxfq2s8ly9fts.png
1502187;1468349798;jurov;what, sanders ceded?
1502188;1468349866;BingoBoingo;yeah
1502189;1468349870;trinque;went and licked the boot too
1502190;1468349912;BingoBoingo;Ceded and endorsed Hillary because she endorsed marijuana legalization. Also did not want to get Vince Fostered.
1502191;1468350582;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which, the "Galt's gulch" thing ?
1502192;1468350790;trinque;http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Jul/ << decent wp lulz for, I assume, non-republican wp
1502193;1468350827;jurov;http://www.geek.com/news/russian-secret-service-graduates-break-the-first-rule-of-being-secret-agents-1660538/  "in soviet russia..."
1502194;1468351248;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1502195;1468351252;mircea_popescu;idiots
1502196;1468351272;deedbot;[Qntra] Theresa May British PM After No One Else Wants Job Following #Brexit Vote - http://qntra.net/2016/07/theresa-may-british-pm-after-no-one-else-wants-job-following-brexit-vote/
1502197;1468351567;mircea_popescu;lol at "let's not bash our guy he did his best"
1502198;1468351577;mircea_popescu;how the fuck endorsing the patent loser is "doing his best" i have nfi.
1502199;1468351703;BingoBoingo;Well, gotta pretense
1502200;1468351901;asciilifeform;https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/12/justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-has-crossed-way-way-over-the-line/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_3_na << relatdd.
1502201;1468351932;asciilifeform;'Supreme Court justices don’t — at least until now — take public stands on presidential or other elections. One reason is that they are barred from doing so by the federal code of judicial conduct...'
1502202;1468352224;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1502203;1468352234;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
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1502206;1468352558;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1502207;1468352560;gribble;Current Blocks: 420461 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 882 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1502208;1468352622;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502193 << 1) hire buncha stage extras 2) dress'em in uniforms 3) parade 's33333kr1t agentz!111' 'illicitly' 4) ??? 5) profit!111
1502209;1468352622;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 19:13 jurov: http://www.geek.com/news/russian-secret-service-graduates-break-the-first-rule-of-being-secret-agents-1660538/  "in soviet russia..."
1502210;1468352678;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502191 << mno, the 'sovereign citizen' thing
1502211;1468352678;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 19:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which, the "Galt's gulch" thing ?
1502212;1468353159;mircea_popescu;what else was in it ? somehow it's nto triggering memory.
1502213;1468353205;asciilifeform;'nuisance litigants'
1502214;1468353232;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ ?
1502215;1468353248;asciilifeform;yes!
1502216;1468353251;mircea_popescu;ah k.
1502217;1468353253;asciilifeform;possibly elsewhere also.
1502218;1468353363;mircea_popescu;lol @ginsburg. she's only there to be a president's whore, who's anyone kidding.
1502219;1468353444;mircea_popescu;curious if they'll exclude her now. lol.
1502220;1468353454;asciilifeform;a great many folks who are in a position to enthrone clitler, by whatever means, regardless of what winblowz CE buttons the sheeple click on in the voting booths, will be doing their thing.
1502221;1468353488;asciilifeform;and they will make it look entirely legit, to whatever naked eye.
1502222;1468355484;mircea_popescu;heh.
1502223;1468355504;mircea_popescu;if anyone other than you actually had any faith in this theory, they wouldn't be quite this desperate now would they.
1502224;1468355652;mircea_popescu;anyway, lovely verbiage "crisis of american democracy" = "guy we don't like massacring bureaucracy on the basis of popular vote"
1502225;1468355659;mircea_popescu;what the FUCK did you think "democracy" means ye gits ?
1502226;1468355675;mircea_popescu;"someone i nthe sky giving us moneyz for sitting on ass and derping importantly" ? that's not fucking democracy, but the opposite thereof.
1502227;1468355716;mircea_popescu;"oh i know, we've created a sort of monarchy without a king, basically just the court and nobody there to behead us - we'll call it democracy. if anyone inquires into the matter we can always add modern in front and it'll be all good!"
1502228;1468355814;mircea_popescu;in other news, wikipedia delivers : "United States Cyber Command (USCYBERCOM) is an armed forces sub-unified command subordinate to United States Strategic Command. The command is located in Fort Meade, Maryland, and centralizes command of cyberspace operations, organizes existing cyber resources and synchronizes defense of U.S. military networks. The text "9ec4c12949a4f31474f299058ce2b22a", which is located in the command's
1502229;1468355815;mircea_popescu;emblem, is the MD5 hash of their mission statement."
1502230;1468355821;mircea_popescu;seems perfectly adequate an emblem for a calender.
1502231;1468355904;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is the field-grunt arm of nsa. traditionally headed by same stuffed shirt as the better-known one.
1502232;1468355929;asciilifeform;in old world parlance : signal corps.
1502233;1468355951;mircea_popescu;sure. but lulz be lulz.
1502234;1468358597;shinohai;$later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/139r
1502235;1468360527;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/the-darkening/ << on reread, this is actually fine dribblet of tmsr-church mythology.
1502236;1468360886;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider continuing the tale? it was spiffy
1502237;1468360899;mircea_popescu;it had like 5-6 bits iirc ?
1502238;1468360925;asciilifeform;4 iirc
1502239;1468360939;mircea_popescu;the problem is i kinda dunn owhat i want to do with it.
1502240;1468360986;asciilifeform;'the epic war between bug and boot' is a short story, indeed
1502241;1468360988;mircea_popescu;i took it as far as actually having to make a decision, and is stuck now. do i introduce a hero ? do i make it what ?
1502242;1468360990;mircea_popescu;time shall tell
1502243;1468360997;mircea_popescu;aha.
1502244;1468361018;mircea_popescu;basically, i perceive i've basically wrote myth, and simply do not wish to degrade it into narrative
1502245;1468361028;mircea_popescu;so unless i figure out how myth may continue, it's stuck there.
1502246;1468361065;mircea_popescu;but i sure as fuck am not putting American Squarejaws and his Love Interest in there
1502247;1468361076;asciilifeform;i'd put in a fall:
1502248;1468361118;asciilifeform;one of the dogmen falls into disgrace and decides that he could bugger all of the bubblefolk at once, if only he 'jacks in' himself
1502249;1468361129;asciilifeform;(to borrow gibsonism)
1502250;1468361129;mircea_popescu;nah, you now got a hero
1502251;1468361132;mircea_popescu;and of the worst kind
1502252;1468361137;mircea_popescu;a traitor hero. meh.
1502253;1468361226;mircea_popescu;i suppose god might make an appearance. but i dun wish to commit to shape.
1502254;1468361263;mircea_popescu;whatever you put in, is now in, not just for the parts you intended but for all the parts it might have.
1502255;1468361324;deedbot;[Trilema] The "crisis" of "democracy" - http://trilema.com/2016/the-crisis-of-democracy/
1502256;1468368556;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Hic pietatis honos? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/12/hic-pietatis-honos/
1502257;1468372532;mircea_popescu;http://bucksurdu.com/blog/ << in other news.
1502258;1468377992;Joshua-I;You out there fam
1502259;1468380235;trinque;no relation.
1502260;1468381631;Joshua-I;Evidently
1502261;1468382718;*;mircea_popescu wonders at this novel tendency of us military types to call traditional warfare "kinetic".
1502262;1468382755;mircea_popescu;what the fuck are these people thinking ? they're seeing themselves as some sort of 17th century naval artillery dudes, firing kugels at one another ? there's nothing kinetic about weapons in use today, they're all thermic.
1502263;1468382767;mircea_popescu;even the fucking nukes are thermic weapons. what kinetic ?
1502264;1468383010;Joshua-I;rail guns? lol
1502265;1468383026;mircea_popescu;firing what, greatcoat buttons ?
1502266;1468383028;Joshua-I;Pretty kinetic until they're not
1502267;1468383058;mircea_popescu;kinetic usually denotes macroscopic moving items not fucking ions
1502268;1468383138;Joshua-I;def. macro?
1502269;1468383154;mircea_popescu;well you know, large enough to not have to apply qm.
1502270;1468383177;mircea_popescu;in fairness i guess they are researching rail guns to fire bullet-like items
1502271;1468383786;mats;it sounds kewl
1502272;1468383814;mircea_popescu;i guess that's as good a reason as any
1502273;1468383838;mircea_popescu;has the added benefit that it makes me think they have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
1502274;1468383852;mats;i wonder about the feasibility of railgun-assisted orbital launches
1502275;1468383866;mircea_popescu;mats you're not the first. that thing's been a solution in search of a problem since ~1916.
1502276;1468383882;mircea_popescu;it dun work worth a shit, electromagnetism is a self-limiting disease so to speak, but hey.
1502277;1468383944;ben_vulpes;not to mention the accelerations involved make it more or less entirely impractical for anything other than raw materials.
1502278;1468383955;mircea_popescu;100g and over was it ?
1502279;1468383969;ben_vulpes;at that point, you may as well save on fab and engineering costs and submerge a hydrogen gun right under the water
1502280;1468383979;mats;being able to hurl a rock at enormous speeds over the horizon seems like a useful capability
1502281;1468383980;mircea_popescu;anyway, iirc us navy launched a breadbox sized item at about 10km/s or somesuch. cost a little more than a littoral com-sunkship.
1502282;1468383985;ben_vulpes;bonus, you can point the latter. not so much for either the cannon or railgun.
1502283;1468384002;ben_vulpes;mats: sure, but how do rockets not solve this better and more cheaply
1502284;1468384002;mats;its a solution to certain tactical problems, but none in the civilian arena
1502285;1468384012;mircea_popescu;none in the physical area, more like it.
1502286;1468384040;ben_vulpes;the *single best bet* on orbital advances in my lifetime is the mach-5 airbreather.
1502287;1468384075;mircea_popescu;not much air in useful orbit is there ?
1502288;1468384081;mats;ben_vulpes: well, they tend to be unguided
1502289;1468384103;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: once it leaves compressible atmo, it cuts over to internal o2 supply fed directly into the *same* combustion chambers.
1502290;1468384118;ben_vulpes;ssto
1502291;1468384126;mats;but idk anything about rocketry, so i'll stop here
1502292;1468384136;ben_vulpes;mats: why would one want an unguided projectile?
1502293;1468384141;mircea_popescu;sounds like some pretty intense engineering required.
1502294;1468384146;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: and how.
1502295;1468384178;ben_vulpes;the only new part of the whole system is the precooler to take air at mach5 and cool it without frosting everything over.
1502296;1468384190;mats;i suppose the real advantage would be the raw kinetic energy being delivered
1502297;1468384208;ben_vulpes; /maybe/
1502298;1468384211;ben_vulpes;drag is proportional to v^2
1502299;1468384217;mats;i wonder how useful it is as a bunker buster
1502300;1468384228;ben_vulpes;the further away your target is, the less useful the railgun and the more useful the classic icbm.
1502301;1468384237;ben_vulpes;ramjet if you want to stay low.
1502302;1468384253;ben_vulpes;(less useful because a) drag losses and b) accuracy)
1502303;1468384294;ben_vulpes;but like cold fusion, railguns keep usg contractors in the procurement pipeline.
1502304;1468384294;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502295 << this is just about not happening. mass conserves, water is stable. whatcha gonna do, add urea, make lsd in flight ?
1502305;1468384294;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 04:29 ben_vulpes: the only new part of the whole system is the precooler to take air at mach5 and cool it without frosting everything over.
1502306;1468384337;ben_vulpes;add glycol, drop the freezing point.
1502307;1468384342;mats;you've got him now, he's going to talk about rockets for hours
1502308;1468384368;mircea_popescu;mats it's very hard to beat plain and simple fire-air bombs. you gotta put electricity through coils to make the projectile go magnetically, electricity which you got from a combustion generator in the first place.you're about five transforms away, might as well just put the same gasoline in a bottle and throw it at the enemy.
1502309;1468384403;asciilifeform;iirc attraction of railgun was : shooting at ~incoming~ rockets etc
1502310;1468384429;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes it's a simple problem of mass conservation though. if your compression factor is 1:10, say, and you burn 1 ton of fuel, you then therefore get a cubic kilometer worth of air, which will contain a ton and a half of water, what do you do with it. it doesn't burn, it doesn't go away. nowwut.
1502311;1468384432;ben_vulpes;mats: rude
1502312;1468384436;asciilifeform;but go, aim
1502313;1468384446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's pretty insane seeing how rocket can maneuver.
1502314;1468384471;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: turns to steam helps with isp
1502315;1468384479;ben_vulpes;srsly this is kindergarten rocket chem
1502316;1468384489;ben_vulpes;see also peroxide motors
1502317;1468384495;mircea_popescu;i never heard of an aspiring rocket.
1502318;1468384508;ben_vulpes;"horatio"
1502319;1468384509;asciilifeform;ramjet?
1502320;1468384511;mircea_popescu;nor for that matter of a water-oxidizer mix
1502321;1468384521;ben_vulpes;no silly it's not /water-oxidiser/
1502322;1468384533;ben_vulpes;it's internal h2 plus ambient air
1502323;1468384534;mircea_popescu;$google horatio the rocket
1502324;1468384535;deedbot;http://www.iwhistory.org.uk/rockets/ << John Dennett: Isle of Wight Rocket Man | http://www.csifiles.com/reviews/csi/no_mans_land.shtml << CSI Files - CSI: Miami--'No Man's Land' | http://www.horatiotodds.com/dining/ << Dining — Horatio Todd's
1502325;1468384544;ben_vulpes;$google more things under heaven and earth
1502326;1468384545;deedbot;http://www.shakespeare-online.com/quickquotes/quickquotehamletdreamt.html << There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio | http://www.enotes.com/shakespeare-quotes/there-more-things-heaven-earth-horatio << There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio - Shakespeare ... | https://www.quora.com/Shakespeare-once-said-There-are-more-things-in-heaven-and-earth-Horatio-than-are-dreamt-of-in-your-philosophy-How-should-skeptics-best-address-this-ques
1502327;1468384559;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes yes. the comparison of the engine to the rocket is flawed. because the rocket doesn't aspire [random gunk] from atmosphere.
1502328;1468384580;mircea_popescu;atmosphere contains water. this is a problem, because mass.
1502329;1468384598;ben_vulpes;mass in rocket exhaust is a /good thing/ ffs.
1502330;1468384604;asciilifeform;the n2 is also not good for much
1502331;1468384610;mircea_popescu;yes, if you get it to go there. yes.
1502332;1468384622;ben_vulpes;the only reason is because von braun was a savage.
1502333;1468384627;mircea_popescu;but your problem was that it dun wanna go, it wanna freeze over your assemblages
1502334;1468384644;ben_vulpes;it wants to freeze over the intercooler hooked to the h2.
1502335;1468384663;ben_vulpes;keep it from doing that, you have cold, high pressure ambient gas you can dump into a steady state reaction chamber.
1502336;1468384680;mircea_popescu;werll for that money, keep gas from growing fat after marriage, you got desktop cold fusion.
1502337;1468384682;ben_vulpes;and so long as there is o2, it *will* burn.
1502338;1468384814;ben_vulpes;so, keep water from precipitating out of the gas coming in, cool it rapidly by dumping the heat into the h2, react h2 and o2 (and yes, some h2o), you have an air-breathing rocket that (yes, nominally) can operate in atmosphere with out consuming onboard o2 all the way up to mach 5.
1502339;1468384829;ben_vulpes;leave atmo, cut over to internal fuel supply.
1502340;1468384833;mircea_popescu;it's a fine theory, now show me the item.
1502341;1468384845;ben_vulpes;if it works (and what, the brits can't do anything, clearly), it's the only improvement with legs over the classic rocket.
1502342;1468384887;mircea_popescu;i'll grant that it has more chances of being useful than the coil gun ; which isn't saying much.
1502343;1468384894;ben_vulpes;that's all i'm saying.
1502344;1468384901;mircea_popescu;:)))
1502345;1468384905;ben_vulpes;high stair!
1502346;1468384923;mircea_popescu;btw, you folks know teh epic bill cosby series on parenting ?
1502347;1468384935;ben_vulpes;"chocolate cake!"
1502348;1468384940;mircea_popescu;right.
1502349;1468384948;mircea_popescu;chocolate cake and braindamage.
1502350;1468385033;mircea_popescu;also in the news http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads//2015/12/once-it-eats.jpg
1502351;1468385158;ben_vulpes;what, for the novice parents, is the braindamage in cosby's routine?
1502352;1468385180;*;ben_vulpes has not heard the thing since his youth. on vinyl!
1502353;1468385224;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502308 << to put numbers on this : as it recently came out in debate with alf, diesel generators get ~40% efficiency if large enough (closer to my guess than yours! ha-HA!) ; depending on the coil design the resulting electricity will be transferred to projectile somewhere around 1 to 5% efficiency. to go higher air-cored assemblages are excluded because of the high reluctance of the damned
1502354;1468385224;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 04:32 mircea_popescu: mats it's very hard to beat plain and simple fire-air bombs. you gotta put electricity through coils to make the projectile go magnetically, electricity which you got from a combustion generator in the first place.you're about five transforms away, might as well just put the same gasoline in a bottle and throw it at the enemy.
1502355;1468385225;mircea_popescu;thing - and proper cored items are way the fuck too expensive to be destroyed over three firings.
1502356;1468385272;mircea_popescu;by and large for every 100 J worth of gas you're putting in, you're getting out ~1J of ~muzzle velocity~. then as ben_vulpes pointed out correctly you lose most of this to air friction (longer range ? MUCH MORE FRICTION!), so you deliver maybe 1kJ or 2 per MJ expended.
1502357;1468385295;mircea_popescu;if you just dump the fuel on enemy, you get 500x bang for the buck. eventually you cook him, through whatever bunker. it's why there's no bunkers in the sun.
1502358;1468385316;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes he says the words, "because kids have brain damage".
1502359;1468385374;ben_vulpes;aha yes!
1502360;1468385385;ben_vulpes;"it's BRAIN DAMAGE!!!1"
1502361;1468385395;mircea_popescu;aha.
1502362;1468385396;mats;there is the benefit of a nuclear reactor driving the gun
1502363;1468385404;mats;i see your point though
1502364;1468385426;mircea_popescu;oh and the caper : obviously the coil is a lc oscillator. the remainder 95 to  99% energy doesn't simply disappear. it COMES BACK in the circuit. going... the other way.
1502365;1468385451;mircea_popescu;mats yeah, in a post-oil world all sorts of things might make more sense.
1502366;1468385505;mats;what do you mean by post-oil
1502367;1468385513;mats;something better or scarcity?
1502368;1468385514;mircea_popescu;as in, if there's no oil.
1502369;1468385529;mircea_popescu;eh, there's not ever going to be something better.
1502370;1468385567;mircea_popescu;much like the current "something better" wall materials kids kick holes into aren't better than brick and concrete. even if some claim otherwise.
1502371;1468385756;mircea_popescu;but otherwise - i have here this battery, contained in a thin PET cover, ready to do ~1,2 MJ at my command. go, construct battery, compressed coil, box of covenant or lavey's teeth assemblage that can do a mj and fit in a gallon.
1502372;1468385784;mircea_popescu;we'll discuss stability afterwards, as a sign of me not thinking i'll have to.
1502373;1468386004;Joshua-I;this?
1502374;1468386029;mircea_popescu;it's just a bucket of gasoline.
1502375;1468386137;Joshua-I;Must be a big bucket
1502376;1468386201;mircea_popescu;one gallon.
1502377;1468386203;Joshua-I;Spoke too soon v. surprised
1502378;1468386212;ben_vulpes;gasoline's like 40 Mj/kg
1502379;1468386230;mircea_popescu;lol like 5 trillion!11
1502380;1468386264;ben_vulpes;today we learn that mircea_popescu has tiny bukkits
1502381;1468386274;mircea_popescu;it's a puke bucket.
1502382;1468386280;ben_vulpes;ha!
1502383;1468386283;Joshua-I;Puke in MJ plz
1502384;1468386284;mircea_popescu;i have many types of buckets.
1502385;1468386299;ben_vulpes;i witnesesd a feller at burning man receive the moniker of 'princess buckets' one time.
1502386;1468386307;mircea_popescu;i even have a 6 ounce, two-man bukkake bukket.
1502387;1468386324;Joshua-I;Two man? Sounds too intimate
1502388;1468386335;ben_vulpes;i strolled out of my tent at ~9a to him drinking directly from the bottle. said, "i'm drunk! what do you think about that?" "psh, you're nowhere near drunk"
1502389;1468386339;mircea_popescu;well, a one man bukkake's just called "i don't want kids" neh ?
1502390;1468386364;ben_vulpes;two more hours of that, i leave to go toodle around on vehicles on the desert. come back, he's asleep on the couch, head deep in five gallons of orange.
1502391;1468386374;mircea_popescu;ew
1502392;1468386381;ben_vulpes;pulls his head out, whines plaintively, "may i have another bucket please?"
1502393;1468386382;Joshua-I;Orange?
1502394;1468386388;ben_vulpes;"another bucket?! what are you a princess?"
1502395;1468386389;Joshua-I;Oh
1502396;1468386391;ben_vulpes;"PRINCESS BUCKETS!"
1502397;1468386395;mircea_popescu;lmao
1502398;1468386399;Joshua-I;My brain is wacked out tn lol
1502399;1468386405;mircea_popescu;this sounds just like the shittier fraternity on campus.
1502400;1468386425;ben_vulpes;Joshua-I: i did not know that tungsten was psychoactive
1502401;1468386444;mircea_popescu;one man's tonite's another man's wolfram
1502402;1468386445;ben_vulpes;i didn't *make* him drink
1502403;1468386461;ben_vulpes;i just told him he wasn't drunk yet.
1502404;1468386476;mircea_popescu;tort law of portland begs to differ!
1502405;1468386477;mats;you devil you
1502406;1468386482;Joshua-I;Well it sounds pretty tame for burning man
1502407;1468386502;ben_vulpes;Joshua-I: well yes, i'm sharing it.
1502408;1468386555;mats;mircea_popescu: on the matter of post-oil, i do wonder what the world would look like in 10, 100 years after cold fusion
1502409;1468386582;mats;i'm not gonna volunteer, but i think humans wanna get off this rock and thats not a terrible idea
1502410;1468386585;mircea_popescu;prolly every cavortess or w/e her name was living in hypercube houses
1502411;1468386594;Joshua-I;I hope it looks even more ridiculous than it does now
1502412;1468386610;Joshua-I;Absurdist capitalism will dominate!
1502413;1468386614;mircea_popescu;doing post-quantum computing reddit.
1502414;1468386658;mats;your pessimism is refreshing
1502415;1468386684;mircea_popescu;it's not pessimism just because i didn't vote for change!
1502416;1468386701;mats;alright alright
1502417;1468386707;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm off to bed. take it lezzy.
1502418;1468386713;Joshua-I;peace
1502419;1468386718;mats;good idea
1502420;1468386746;Joshua-I;I will return to ebbits and curry
1502421;1468386799;Joshua-I;http://www.ebbits.net/strip/2013.01.28
1502422;1468389113;BingoBoingo;"Taylor appeared at an arraignment Monday in St. Louis County Circuit Court, telling Judge Joseph Dueker that he wanted to represent himself “pro per.” The legal term to represent oneself is “pro se.” Dueker told him he didn’t know what “pro per” meant and gave Taylor until July 27 to decide how he will be represented."
1502423;1468389682;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 230213975110617197067377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Stephen Domorod III (Stephen at Domorod dot Org) <stephen@domorod.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD894142C4313393598D2A7B35E2A61D9CD4C6ACC0214D508203C9CDA8A65195
1502424;1468407741;mircea_popescu;this guy links the most retarded comics...
1502425;1468407764;shinohai;lel
1502426;1468407776;shinohai;I just don't get ebbits
1502427;1468407852;mircea_popescu;you mean other than "i want to make a comic and don't perceive i should invest into drawing or writing skills, whoever loves me loves for me!" ?
1502428;1468407888;mircea_popescu;it's the comic equivalent of a fat ugly woman that doesn't wash or ever shut up.
1502429;1468408035;shinohai;http://shop.heavymetal.com/shm/images/278.jpg
1502430;1468408971;mircea_popescu;i guess
1502431;1468409274;mircea_popescu;mats hanbot http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-118065 cheers!
1502432;1468409286;mircea_popescu;$rated mats
1502433;1468409286;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated mats 2 at 2015/04/07 21:29:49 << http://trilema.com/2013/so-whos-running-the-courts-circus/#comment-113478 ; helping people get pogos, stuff.
1502434;1468409295;mircea_popescu;coo.
1502435;1468410272;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502117 << myeah, maybe it's not even that much of a problem; just, lame..
1502436;1468410272;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 17:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502056 << this is what you get for sending ustards to college. they "adapt" what they read to the "practical needs" in their environment. problem ?
1502437;1468410287;mircea_popescu;quite lame.
1502438;1468410366;mircea_popescu;btw you looking into teh v ?
1502439;1468410423;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: not yet, and that's due to lack of time, and generally lazy vibes over the summer (a festival or two, reading books etc) i know i should take a careful look at v, and i dun want to botch it, hence terribly slow with it
1502440;1468410451;mircea_popescu;no prob. just didn't want for you to get teh idea i just said that to give you busywork or somesuch. the thing's actually important.
1502441;1468410483;shinohai;V'ify all the things
1502442;1468410487;Framedragger;this may sound like bait, but.... could you not just use signed commits in git, and enforce use of those commits, and use `git blame`? is the argument against this the usual "git is a shitload of code, best to start anew [and also without existing political associations re. github etc.]", or sth more than that?
1502443;1468410498;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, acknowledged
1502444;1468410503;mircea_popescu;shinohai for srs, your wp eventually gets a v mode!
1502445;1468410544;Framedragger;^ but re my q, i should first understand v...
1502446;1468410585;mircea_popescu;Framedragger as to your words, the political association of git is at best with linus & the linux folk, i dun see what it has to do with github anymore than sunsets have to do with bad photography. but as to the actual issue : on one hand there's a ton of code there ; on the other there's absent functionality.
1502447;1468410625;mircea_popescu;in such a situation we sometimes decide to hammer a source into usability (such as, bitcoin, eulora, etc). but just as often decide to write de novo.  how exactly this decision is made is not exactly specified.
1502448;1468410632;Framedragger;regarding the association: previously i got the impression that you thought git and github are now being confused and hence best to get rid of git and start anew anyway. maybe wrong impression
1502449;1468410644;shinohai;Don't worry, v and t make github obsolete
1502450;1468410646;mircea_popescu;link ?
1502451;1468410666;*;mircea_popescu is always keen to discuss later interpretations of what he actually said at some point.
1502452;1468410700;Framedragger;how do i search for multiple words associated by OR, not AND? $s works for this but btcbase's search doesn't, right?
1502453;1468410705;mircea_popescu;it proved to be hands down the #1 most productive learning technique in the harem over the years. i expect it works universally.
1502454;1468410722;mircea_popescu;Framedragger "" gives literal matches, otherwise words are or'd together.
1502455;1468410731;Framedragger;aok
1502456;1468410743;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fuck+mother << mircea_popescu: "fuck your mother"
1502457;1468410761;Framedragger;searchin'
1502458;1468410966;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/eaa45c186f01e7a30c279a9234dff8a7/tumblr_nq3j82wF251sw3gf6o3_500.gif
1502459;1468410983;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469423 fwiw but it's now much. i'm now convinced i had originally misinterpreted. at that point i was assuming that you had basically thrown out git in your mind as useless as it had been tainted with too strong an association with github. if that even makes sense.
1502460;1468410983;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 15:53 mircea_popescu: Framedragger actually, the process of creating github and then confusing git for github, aka embrace and extinguish / "rms-ing" is also amply discussed in teh logs :)
1502461;1468410999;mircea_popescu;:)
1502462;1468411027;mircea_popescu;makes perfect sense, which is why the process of searching etc is worthwhile.
1502463;1468411087;Framedragger;for shizzle
1502464;1468411139;mircea_popescu;trilema's even worse, there i have the time to elaborately bait people. here i'm stuck with much shorter intervals.
1502465;1468411243;Framedragger;heh, yeah, i see what you mean. trilema allows for more elaborate.. structures
1502466;1468411261;mircea_popescu;interpretation being just about the only art worth the time.
1502467;1468411347;deedbot;[Trilema] The humiliation intensifies - http://trilema.com/2016/the-humiliation-intensifies/
1502468;1468411382;Framedragger;heh. i listened to a weirdo almost-atonal musical piece yesterday by a friend who's doing sonology / electronic music (yeah such precise terms, i know). it was fkin great, lots of effort but worth it methinks. but then, the point is that this also counts as 'interpretation', possibly
1502469;1468411425;Framedragger;'cause you do have to really follow and think about the concepts used in the thing if you want to enjoy it beyond the superficial-level "wow such pretty noise"
1502470;1468411435;Framedragger;and prolly retink them laters as you relisten etc
1502471;1468414702;mircea_popescu;yeah. just, i'm generally too lazy for non-verbal arts.
1502472;1468419080;danielpbarron;$up Bigbootycutefeet
1502473;1468419080;deedbot;Bigbootycutefeet voiced for 30 minutes.
1502474;1468422576;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502371 << sorta why 'future with fusion' would still include synthetic liquid fuels (made, however inefficiently, from atmospheric co2 and h2 from water)
1502475;1468422576;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 04:55 mircea_popescu: but otherwise - i have here this battery, contained in a thin PET cover, ready to do ~1,2 MJ at my command. go, construct battery, compressed coil, box of covenant or lavey's teeth assemblage that can do a mj and fit in a gallon.
1502476;1468422678;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502423 << mirrored crud
1502477;1468422678;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 06:01 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 230213975110617197067377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Stephen Domorod III (Stephen at Domorod dot Org) <stephen@domorod.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD894142C4313393598D2A7B35E2A61D9CD4C6ACC0214D508203C9CDA8A65195
1502478;1468422750;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502442 << the resemblance to git is wholly superficial. this probably deserves an article..
1502479;1468422750;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 11:48 Framedragger: this may sound like bait, but.... could you not just use signed commits in git, and enforce use of those commits, and use `git blame`? is the argument against this the usual "git is a shitload of code, best to start anew [and also without existing political associations re. github etc.]", or sth more than that?
1502480;1468422960;asciilifeform;Framedragger et al: consider, there is no concept of a 'repo' in v. nor of pulling, nor pushing, nor merging. in fact the thing (as properly implemented) doesn't make any use of network at all.
1502481;1468422979;asciilifeform;it is entirely up to the operator how to go about getting v patches onto his box.
1502482;1468422998;asciilifeform;can write them himself, or send via carrier pigeon, if he likes
1502483;1468423082;asciilifeform;nor does the thing force a particular type of crypto signature - any program that functions similarly to pgp, generating a detached signature, can be used.
1502484;1468423172;asciilifeform;the 'let's use git without central repo, and pass around signed diffs' thing was suggested ages ago, and i wrote v specifically to shoot it in the head; because signed standard diffs, that can be applied 'fuzzily', are evil. v diffs contain hash-on-entry and hash-on-exit, and if either doesn't match, it is a no go.
1502485;1468423176;asciilifeform;this is quite deliberate.
1502486;1468423248;asciilifeform;consider: you wouldn't sign a contract that has convenient blank pages for the counterparty to add whatever the fuck he wants into , later
1502487;1468423310;asciilifeform;;;later tell Framedragger http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2016/02/07_v-tronics-101-a-gentle-introduction-to-the-most-serene-republic-of-bitcoins-cryptographically-backed-version-control-system.html << ben_vulpes wrote a spiffy intro to v.
1502488;1468423310;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1502489;1468424010;Framedragger;thanks asciilifeform
1502490;1468424083;Framedragger;watching linux kernel dev be managed with v may, i imagine, be a sight of entertainment, but then something tells me alf et al. are against such monolithic codebases in the first place
1502491;1468424092;asciilifeform;not only this,
1502492;1468424103;asciilifeform;but i am against code bases of that scale, for any reason whatsoever
1502493;1468424117;asciilifeform;it is idiocy, just like the idea of a continent-sized office building is
1502494;1468424141;asciilifeform;there is no actual problem that warrants a system of that complexity.
1502495;1468424181;asciilifeform;it is purely a product of sloth, vanity, and deliberate вредительство.
1502496;1468424227;Framedragger;so in the case of an os kernel, you'd just make sure to break down the source into codebase modules so to speak?
1502497;1468424256;asciilifeform;linux is already largely broken into modules. that is not the problem.
1502498;1468424265;asciilifeform;the problem is that there is more than ~10,000 lines of it.
1502499;1468424266;asciilifeform;PERIOD.
1502500;1468424276;Framedragger;i guess the fact that you need to arrive at a single kernel executable file does not hinder this (cf. all those exokernel projects, not that exokernel architecture is the right approach)
1502501;1468424289;Framedragger;riiiight
1502502;1468424293;asciilifeform;and most of it is only there because of hardware idiocy.
1502503;1468424304;asciilifeform;(why do 1,001 sound cards need to exist?)
1502504;1468424311;Framedragger;linus chose to do the whole 'driver is part of kernel' thing, yeah.
1502505;1468424335;Framedragger;well, it's hard to disagree, on second thought.
1502506;1468424335;asciilifeform;on x86, or any other platform with dma, all drivers are 'part of the kernel' whether honestly stated or not.
1502507;1468424359;Framedragger;i mean, why not maintain them separately etc
1502508;1468424359;asciilifeform;which is to say, i can overwrite any byte in physical ram from within a driver.
1502509;1468424364;Framedragger;sure
1502510;1468424371;asciilifeform;because they are all part of the kernel.
1502511;1468424374;asciilifeform;because idiot iron.
1502512;1468424385;Framedragger;ring0 enuf for everyone
1502513;1468424437;asciilifeform;rings have 0 to do with it. in pc arch, every device on the bus can issue dma cycles and clobber ram.
1502514;1468424465;Framedragger;ah, right i see what you mean
1502515;1468424473;Framedragger;hmh i guess they can...
1502516;1468424480;Framedragger;admirable architecture, that
1502517;1468424527;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502353 << efficiency has 0 to do with it! calculate, for lulz, the efficiency of making gunpowder and then launching a projectile with it. (it is in single-digit %, at best.) big fat whoop that the gunpowder-making happens on land. the real reason for railgun is illustrated by the failure of the german Hochdruckpumpe cannon.
1502518;1468424527;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 04:47 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502308 << to put numbers on this : as it recently came out in debate with alf, diesel generators get ~40% efficiency if large enough (closer to my guess than yours! ha-HA!) ; depending on the coil design the resulting electricity will be transferred to projectile somewhere around 1 to 5% efficiency. to go higher air-cored assemblages are excluded because of the high reluctance of the damned
1502519;1468424527;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1502520;1468424852;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu unlike any type of cannon, railgun imposes no limit on projectile energy. that is the whole reason for it.
1502521;1468424853;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1502522;1468425280;mats;mircea_popescu, mod6: thanks for your contribution to the courts project!
1502523;1468425493;mod6;o7
1502524;1468425702;shinohai;o/ mod6
1502525;1468425864;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502490 << actually im sure linus would fucking love it, and ~the only reason he's not forcing it is that he doesn't grok it exists.
1502526;1468425864;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 15:34 Framedragger: watching linux kernel dev be managed with v may, i imagine, be a sight of entertainment, but then something tells me alf et al. are against such monolithic codebases in the first place
1502527;1468425873;mircea_popescu;and the fuckwit parade will consider it tantamount to the bad touch.
1502528;1468425931;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502503 << for the ~same reason 10`001 "approaches to interpreting the wot graph" must exist.
1502529;1468425931;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 15:38 asciilifeform: (why do 1,001 sound cards need to exist?)
1502530;1468426037;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502520 << eh, in "theory", which is to say "in the peculiar fictitious narrative some people jack off to". the limiting factor for both is drag, and it ain't going away. "oh but what if we're shooting spherical chickens in a vacuum" "you're still better off with a rocket stfu".
1502531;1468426037;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 15:47 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unlike any type of cannon, railgun imposes no limit on projectile energy. that is the whole reason for it.
1502532;1468426058;mircea_popescu;which is why nukes are rockets rather than bullets, be those bullets accelerated chemically, magnetically or whichever other way.
1502533;1468426085;mircea_popescu;that's the only projectile of unlimited energy : a rocket. because it slides under the door of air friction.
1502534;1468426106;asciilifeform;actually it is because of the Hochdruckpumpe problem (ain't no barrel thick enough for icbm 'bullet') but also limit on g-force for complicated mechanism like nuke.
1502535;1468426118;asciilifeform;and rocket is every bit as subject to drag as bullet.
1502536;1468426125;mircea_popescu;phh.
1502537;1468426133;mircea_popescu;just because they couldn't in 1920 doesn't mean they can't today.
1502538;1468426151;asciilifeform;more so, because it large, carries fuel.
1502539;1468426161;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not every bit, no. because drag goes up ^1/3 with mass and ^3 with speed.
1502540;1468426167;mircea_popescu;so you're better off hiding the energy in mass than in speed.
1502541;1468426171;mircea_popescu;hence rocket rather than bullet.
1502542;1468426215;asciilifeform;bullet is cheap. hence the lure.
1502543;1468426224;asciilifeform;fire 1,001 for cost of 1 rocket.
1502544;1468426225;mircea_popescu;sure. much like chinese shoes are cheap.
1502545;1468426226;mircea_popescu;same lure.
1502546;1468426255;asciilifeform;from pov of usg, rocket suffers from ww2 torpedo problem:
1502547;1468426273;asciilifeform;most targets (e.g., sampans) weren't worth a torpedo.
1502548;1468426300;mircea_popescu;if it's not worth hitting with a ~$1k rocket, it's sure as fuck not worth hitting with a ~200k railgun shot.
1502549;1468426315;asciilifeform;200k?!
1502550;1468426316;mircea_popescu;but, in all war, the cost of ammo is mostly a cost of opportunity.
1502551;1468426330;mircea_popescu;90% of it goes into "getting a guy there to do it" and 1% or so into "cartridge price tag"
1502552;1468426400;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. they are insanely expensive. you're thinking "oh, it's like a gun, hence railgun". no, it's not. your gun fires a magazine, then needs cleaning, then fires another and will do 10k cycles or more. the rail gun fires one thing, needs servicing, and will do maybe 3 ? 5 ? 12 ?
1502553;1468426424;asciilifeform;half the point was, no barrel, no cleaning, etc
1502554;1468426426;mircea_popescu;then the capacitors need replacing, the diodes are burned out and the whole thing's gunked over.
1502555;1468426433;mircea_popescu;more cleanning than with normal rifle.
1502556;1468426448;asciilifeform;but in usg implementation, even ordinary rifle, recall, needs 50x the servicing anybody would expect.
1502557;1468426455;mircea_popescu;rifle gets residue from the propellant. rail gun is magnetic, gets all residue from environment, also creates new residue out of solids.
1502558;1468426971;asciilifeform;afaik there are no ferrous metals in the prototype, nor do there need to be
1502559;1468427091;asciilifeform;but http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502551 is a point, and it is why folks can't resist the desire to build gigantic cannons - expands the circle of 'there to do it'
1502560;1468427091;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 16:12 mircea_popescu: 90% of it goes into "getting a guy there to do it" and 1% or so into "cartridge price tag"
1502561;1468427093;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502525 << hmm ok.. even his workflow wouldn't differ much now that i think of it.. he reviews patches sent via email etc. and he sure as fuck uses his wot fiercely. so, yeah..
1502562;1468427093;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 16:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502490 << actually im sure linus would fucking love it, and ~the only reason he's not forcing it is that he doesn't grok it exists.
1502563;1468429665;Framedragger;oh the sweet naivete and woes of internet's ephemeral aspects: has anyone (re)read the bitcoin foundations declaration of independence recently? http://thebitcoin.foundation/declaration.txt that link tied to taxation of bitcoin profits does not work anymore, for example. i guess the declaration's main matter was in spirit anyway
1502564;1468430136;trinque;Framedragger: myup, deeds.bitcoin-assets.com no longer points to deedbot.org
1502565;1468430350;Framedragger;yeah i know (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-06-2016#1451011)
1502566;1468431938;mircea_popescu;Framedragger quite.
1502567;1468431970;mircea_popescu;http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/9ULZPc7yeZ9fQEA1aZ73H6mcv1s2C4gYFAbNTb5urovj << bwahahah
1502568;1468432039;mircea_popescu;possibly it was http://deedbot.org/deed-2014-11-02-20-47-08.txt ?
1502569;1468433848;jurov;no it's not, tresurer contract was separate deed
1502570;1468433918;mircea_popescu;oh right was the contract
1502571;1468433925;jurov;iirc it was in first deedbot incarnation and i had to pester the deeds.b-a second deedbot incarnation to reupload it
1502572;1468433944;jurov;we are now at fourth deedbot or such?
1502573;1468434014;mircea_popescu;http://deedbot.org/deed-2014-11-03-22-31-27.txt ?
1502574;1468434116;trinque;jurov remembers nothing except maybe having complained about something or other, and it being very bothersome.
1502575;1468434118;trinque;lol
1502576;1468434138;jurov;trinque yes that sounds right
1502577;1468434162;jurov;and yes, deed-2014-11-03-22-31-27.txt is it
1502578;1468434393;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i have moar ssh keys for ya: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_diff_2016-07-13.tar (diff from that 10M bunch, i.e. only new ones) 920M file, 1.82M new ssh keys.
1502579;1468434472;Framedragger;this concludes the ipv4 ssh key scan (the new keys are due to re-scan + the previously-excluded hetzner hosting ip ranges). i may rescan in a couple of weeks or a month to see how many new etc (and in general it would be a good and interesting exercise, etc.) some kind of writeup will follow...eventually
1502580;1468434532;*;Framedragger off to town
1502581;1468434795;Framedragger;(oh, and 1. will sign a checksum at some point (soon); and 2. the tarball contains three compressed files which expand into three dirs, with ~600k files per dir; one file = one openpgp key, same as last time)
1502582;1468434896;mircea_popescu;http://deedbot.org/deed-2014-11-08-18-41-54.txt << other tyhings i found
1502583;1468434942;mod6;yeah.
1502584;1468435010;ben_vulpes;2014
1502585;1468435012;ben_vulpes;dag
1502586;1468435018;mircea_popescu;oya.
1502587;1468435034;mircea_popescu;imagine, 2nd anniversary of independence coming up soonish
1502588;1468435042;mod6;not far off!
1502589;1468435070;ben_vulpes;awkwardly far from all astronomical cycle dates.
1502590;1468435127;Framedragger;asciilifeform: and signature (updated checksums file to include the new ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
1502591;1468435148;Framedragger;*to include the new ssh_openpgp_diff_2016-07-13.tar is what i meant
1502592;1468435377;mod6;This year, the anniversary of the declaration is on Election Day in the US.  lol.  We should go and stand in places and read this outloud like they used to do after the signing in 1776.
1502593;1468435413;mircea_popescu;sure. know of any art spaces with hot chicks ?
1502594;1468435414;ben_vulpes;notbad mod6
1502595;1468435458;mod6;There's maybe a few congregating spots dedicated to art, et. al. here where I'm at.  Probably in most places.
1502596;1468435474;mod6;Hot chicks?  If one is lucky.
1502597;1468435491;mircea_popescu;so pick one and go do a poetry reading
1502598;1468435518;mod6;Not a bad idea.
1502599;1468435910;shinohai;Hear Ye, Hear Ye
1502600;1468435981;mod6;^
1502601;1468446564;mircea_popescu;speaking of rockets etc, we ever do http://outerzone.co.uk/latest/plan_thumbs.asp ?
1502602;1468447132;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: neato. old-school drawings
1502603;1468447178;asciilifeform;reminds me of ancient 'machine guns of the world' 133337 w4r3z rar, with scanz of old ink prints for same
1502604;1468447362;phf;that is awesome
1502605;1468447424;phf;we've been building kites with my girlfriend, i might pick up one of those plans for next project
1502606;1468447437;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 471a2ce942966a575f00d310ed4a0be4f5f58f57d6d56caaa4bf55d7ea7e72f3f79c36f88fd84bd6f72198b5a841fb8f568c7679940d85d3030afe1fb022d0ec  bitcoind
1502607;1468447437;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1502608;1468447481;asciilifeform;shinohai: you are unlikely to get bitwise-repeatable binary: gcc embeds turds
1502609;1468447588;phf;asciilifeform: which reminds me, is that at linker level or assembler? because i wanted to try generating intermediate S files, and if that's where turds are, perhaps stripping them programmatically
1502610;1468447601;asciilifeform;iirc linker.
1502611;1468447639;shinohai;force of habit. anyway, it built. twice
1502612;1468447671;asciilifeform;possibly a properly-built rotor will give same turdwise output on all boxes.
1502613;1468447885;phf;right getting identical environment as far as gcc is concerned
1502614;1468453858;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, serious collection too.
1502615;1468453960;mircea_popescu;phf many of them not really much work beyond "cylindrical kite". light wood structure + wax paper.
1502616;1468455603;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.deepdotweb.com/2016/07/13/new-partnership-aims-to-put-an-end-to-child-porn-related-bitcoin-use
1502617;1468455620;mircea_popescu;still with this ?
1502618;1468455623;asciilifeform;'Recently, the IWF provided Elliptic a database of bitcoin addresses that they identified with child porn. With this information, Elliptic can identify those illegal activities on the blockchain (bitcoin’s public ledger of transactions). James Smith, CEO of Elliptic said this regarding their involvement: “This is the first time anybody has started identifying these crimes in bitcoin and flagging them up in a system like ours. Thi
1502619;1468455624;asciilifeform;s is a great step … towards our goal of getting rid of any sort of illicit activity in bitcoin.”'
1502620;1468455631;asciilifeform;apparently it never runs out !1111
1502621;1468455650;mircea_popescu;it's not even worth dignifying with a mixing campaign.
1502622;1468455666;asciilifeform;presumably there is a pile of payola available to favoured sons, in this particular flavour.
1502623;1468455693;mircea_popescu;me has had plan drawn up to include small donation to verboten list in all txn processed for what, 3years now ? as anti-this pill.
1502624;1468455705;mircea_popescu;has yet to actually justify deployment.
1502625;1468455725;asciilifeform;find list, fire away, why not
1502626;1468455772;mircea_popescu;and in other "venture capital backed entrepreneurial ideas re bitcoin aka blockchain technologees + their respective lamestream media coverage" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/fdc9fa6c79e206b6caa9c8f1715cb2e8/tumblr_njzceuR9H71tonrdjo10_r1_500.gif
1502627;1468455799;asciilifeform;if the blacklist peddlers have half a brain, they distribute the thing as hashes
1502628;1468455801;asciilifeform;but hell knows.
1502629;1468455821;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's relatively few addresses actually in use, you can crack their hash in a minute or two.
1502630;1468455833;asciilifeform;tru.
1502631;1468455846;mircea_popescu;if they had half a brain they'd give up the pretense and go learn how to do plumbing or something useful more alligned with their intellectual capabilities.
1502632;1468455854;mircea_popescu;clearly, they do not have even that half a brain.
1502633;1468455862;asciilifeform;it's a 'tin woman'
1502634;1468455892;asciilifeform;'i have a fine portrait of the pharaoh machined from pure shitanium' 'have $1m'
1502635;1468455935;asciilifeform;and, quite possibly, they envision it turning into $100m when 'made mandatory for legit exchanges' etc
1502636;1468455987;mircea_popescu;sure, sure, and then microsoft can buy it for a trillion and then etcetera.
1502637;1468456027;mircea_popescu;if not for hope, how would the jam-tomorrow socialism exist.
1502638;1468456066;asciilifeform;hoap.
1502639;1468456076;mircea_popescu;hoap & jew soap.
1502640;1468458582;mircea_popescu;june 15th : "nato runs massive baltic exercise, with little russian meddling" ; july 6th : "putin's military buildup in the baltic stokes invasion fears".
1502641;1468458600;mircea_popescu;teh lady doth protest too much, when the fuck did the "modern democracies" bloc turn into such a fucking lapdog ?
1502642;1468458610;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
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1502644;1468458628;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1502646;1468459029;BingoBoingo;So, surveying the neighborhood after the latest round of wind thinned the tree canopy was in the right place and time to see powerline arc and catch fire
1502647;1468459181;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502631 << But drain/waste/vent side. Dun want those monkeys playing with natural gas and I'll do my own supply side tyvm.
1502648;1468459181;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 00:24 mircea_popescu: if they had half a brain they'd give up the pretense and go learn how to do plumbing or something useful more alligned with their intellectual capabilities.
1502649;1468459195;mircea_popescu;sure.
1502650;1468459396;BingoBoingo;I find it disturbing how many "people" out in the wild have no idea that natural gas piping is a subset of plumbing
1502651;1468460153;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/pRwfQ
1502652;1468460331;mod6;shinohai: hey thanks for giving that a try!
1502653;1468460380;mod6;so last week buildroot's site was down (for about a day) and currently the dang sourceforge site doesn't seem to be allowing curl to grab the boost lib.
1502654;1468460413;mod6;trinque was nice enough to host all four of the deps that we require on deedbot.org; openssl, bdb, boost, and buildroot.
1502655;1468460447;mod6;So I've updated the forthcoming V99994 to pull these from deedbot.org as opposed to their respective places out in the tubes.
1502656;1468460487;mod6;If anyone wants to test this along with us, let me know.  Will provide you a link.  Want to ensure that it works well before we deedbot the new build script.
1502657;1468460530;mod6;As far as the Makefiles are concerned, we're having good success there (other than the remote sites for the deps), and will probably be making the same deedbot.org updates to that as well.
1502658;1468460532;shinohai;built thrice mod6 Deb, gentoo, and Arch
1502659;1468460545;mod6;great work!  i build mine on gentoo, and seemed to work good this AM.
1502660;1468460555;mod6;or maybe that was lastnight.  either way.
1502661;1468460558;mod6;65
1502662;1468460562;mod6;^5
1502663;1468460605;mod6;Will provide further updates on the makefiles project as I have them.  Stay tuned.
1502664;1468460608;mod6;Salud!
1502665;1468460770;shinohai;if my router dies ill b back online whenever i whip comcast into shape.
1502666;1468461156;mod6;give 'em hell
1502667;1468461525;mircea_popescu;mod6 did you check/sign the copies ?
1502668;1468461586;mod6;they are not signed at this time.  the build script in its current form, will pull the dep from deedbot.org and check the SHA512 against what is hardcoded into the script.  if it matches, we continue, if not we die.
1502669;1468461619;mod6;I could create a clearsigned manifest that could reside on deedbot.org that could be also pulled down, verified and used.
1502670;1468461627;mircea_popescu;hm
1502671;1468461664;mircea_popescu;yeah what i;m thinking is, since this "we gotta import crap" thing is going to continue, might as well put some sort of deed process into it
1502672;1468461688;mod6;I'm a bit hesitant to "sign" a file outright that I don't have carnal knowledge of -- say openssl - at least without a disclaimer that says "I am only confirming the SHA512 of this artifact is ABCDEF1234... This does not mean that I have read that code and it ``fits in head''."
1502673;1468461707;mircea_popescu;hence why it'd be a deed rather than a v diff.
1502674;1468461711;mod6;So was thinking a clearsigned manifest could do the trick there.
1502675;1468461751;mod6;So, a clearsigned manifest that holds the URL and the SHA512 that I attest is correct then, deedbotted?
1502676;1468461752;mircea_popescu;yeah, it would in this instance, but it'll become unmanageable in short order. because it's not just one such item
1502677;1468461806;mircea_popescu;what i'm thinking is : the binary/payload in question, base64'd, deedbotted, and the build script modified to take an optional parameter to "allow deedbot import from known signatures" and then it can have a $ifdef for "buildoot"="deedbot.soandso"
1502678;1468461829;mircea_popescu;and it knows that if the flag is on, it goes to where deed so and so is and checks it, debases it, unzips it etc.
1502679;1468461840;mircea_popescu;make any sense ?
1502680;1468461866;mircea_popescu;could have a standard disclaimer up top, have it ignore #s or w/e.
1502681;1468461894;mod6;one caveat here, I want this to be the last release of the build script -- so I don't wanna do any heavy lifting here.  Would rather put such effort into the makefiles instead.
1502682;1468461915;mircea_popescu;makefiles also works yes. i'm thinking more in the mid term than for the next version necessarily.
1502683;1468461925;mod6;Makefiles will also solve alf's complaint about "shouldn't pull these from the web at all."
1502684;1468461932;mircea_popescu;at least this'd allow some basis for proper management of this mess, rather than current adhocness
1502685;1468462000;mircea_popescu;(i'm not saying you're making a mess, i'm just saying - we're stuck with all this grandfathered in bullshit, such as boost, openssh, who the fuck knows what else even. qt ffs.)
1502686;1468462004;BingoBoingo;From the mines, a respite https://i.imgur.com/OrGKuRv.jpg
1502687;1468462023;mod6;mircea_popescu: yeah, for sure.  i reading though the above here...
1502688;1468462033;mod6;i think you have the same idea as i've been pondering...
1502689;1468462047;mod6;let me see if I can make sense of it and say it back:
1502690;1468462050;mircea_popescu;aha!
1502691;1468462057;mircea_popescu;well it's just sense i say1
1502692;1468462074;mod6;we make base64 encodings of the artifacts.  we deedbot those, they are signed.
1502693;1468462093;mircea_popescu;right
1502694;1468462142;mod6;a person wants to build, presumably with the makefiles, but could be a build script... they pass the builder a flag that says "get these deps for me automatically", at which time, it'll go and fetch the deed(s) and verify them, decode them, and place them in the correct place and continue building.
1502695;1468462157;mod6;Or not, and they place the deps in there by hand, on their own.  Then continue building.
1502696;1468462158;mircea_popescu;only if signed by people you trust the sigs of
1502697;1468462177;mod6;Ok, so .wot directory is required here.
1502698;1468462180;mircea_popescu;ya
1502699;1468462185;mircea_popescu;since we got it, use it neh ?
1502700;1468462215;mod6;Yeah, it certainly has to be there.
1502701;1468462230;mod6;for the buildscript and the makefiles. so that makes sense.
1502702;1468462295;mod6;trinque: is there a max length for deeds?  (just curious about the above ^, some of these might be mightly large)
1502703;1468462325;mircea_popescu;an you put a number on that ?
1502704;1468462338;mod6;mircea_popescu: thanks for your input here, its high time that we get away from the adhoc nature of this build process.
1502705;1468462354;mod6;sure, lemme see here...
1502706;1468462358;mircea_popescu;slowly but wsurely you know ?
1502707;1468462368;mircea_popescu;mod6 specifically, iirc it's tens of mb not gb. amirite ?
1502708;1468462437;mircea_popescu;and in other ethedao news, today toelik butt-erin releases DA CONE! https://media.giphy.com/media/hYXKE2SGWmYIU/giphy.gif
1502709;1468462511;mod6;$ wc -l boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2.base64
1502710;1468462512;mod6;954767 boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2.base64
1502711;1468462531;mod6;$ du -sh boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2.base64
1502712;1468462531;mod6;71M     boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2.base64
1502713;1468462549;mod6;$ du -sh boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
1502714;1468462550;mod6;52M     boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2
1502715;1468462566;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 specifically, iirc it's tens of mb not gb. amirite ? << Yes, Sir.
1502716;1468462797;mod6;So hopefully that'll be just fine.
1502717;1468462939;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> at least this'd allow some basis for proper management of this mess, rather than current adhocness << the nice part about the makefiles and your preposed solution is that we would finally have a solution in place for all of this.
1502718;1468462941;mircea_popescu;ya not the end of the world. pretty big though. see what trinqwue says
1502719;1468462948;mircea_popescu;mod6 aha
1502720;1468462991;mod6;it really has been like herding cats to get all of the build infrastructure into place.
1502721;1468463006;mircea_popescu;i bet
1502722;1468463016;mod6;it'll be nice to be able to move forward from this part.
1502723;1468463019;mircea_popescu;but hoenstly seems to be actually coming together
1502724;1468463051;mod6;it is. slowly, but surely.
1502725;1468463066;mod6;which isn't a bad thing; i'd rather do it slow & careful, than fast and reckless.
1502726;1468463079;mircea_popescu;ya
1502727;1468463093;mod6;building up tons of technical debt that I (or someone) has to fix eventually anyway.
1502728;1468463125;mod6;let's fast-forward for a minute and pretend that your solution is implemented.
1502729;1468463134;mod6;and the makefiles are complete.
1502730;1468463166;mircea_popescu;ok
1502731;1468463183;mod6;this really leaves one last question that has to be thought through before we move on;  Do we place the makefiles into trb's tree, or do we place them in their own tree?  I've thought about this quite a bit.  And there are tradeoffs to both.
1502732;1468463244;mircea_popescu;it seems to me they should be in trb tree. which tradeoffs do you see ?
1502733;1468463259;mod6;The one staring me in the face is this: If we place them in trb's tree, we'll be adding vpatch after vpatch to the source base to update the makefiles as they require to be updated.  Having them in their own tree could elimiate cruft in trb.
1502734;1468463289;mod6;The thing is, they /are/ really a part of trb itself.
1502735;1468463312;mircea_popescu;this isn't properly called cruft tho.
1502736;1468463324;mod6;true, not actual cruft no, just changes.
1502737;1468463326;mircea_popescu;if item x, whatever it may be, can only be used to do Y then it belongs in Y's tree
1502738;1468463341;mircea_popescu;1 thing, 1 tree.
1502739;1468463388;mod6;I started there for sure.  Once I actually did this, it works, no problem with that.  Was just trying to think, "what will the tree look like in 10 years, 20 years?"
1502740;1468463425;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502685 << what has mircea_popescu been smoking?? there is no qt in trb
1502741;1468463425;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 02:06 mircea_popescu: (i'm not saying you're making a mess, i'm just saying - we're stuck with all this grandfathered in bullshit, such as boost, openssh, who the fuck knows what else even. qt ffs.)
1502742;1468463439;mod6;Anyway, got some time to mull it over.  :]
1502743;1468463440;mircea_popescu;eventually people will build management trees on top of this. much like phf's "make deedbot lines print out gray".
1502744;1468463447;asciilifeform;the deps are strictly: 1) gcc 2) some libc (musl works ok) 3) boost 4) openssl 5) bdb.
1502745;1468463449;mod6;I tend to agree, overall though.  It should belong with trb.
1502746;1468463449;mircea_popescu;"make makefile changes print out blue" or w/e
1502747;1468463456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just sayin'!
1502748;1468463463;mircea_popescu;at some point, there actually was, iirc
1502749;1468463470;mircea_popescu;or was it the xwidgets w/e that thing is called ?
1502750;1468463473;asciilifeform;before the great cleansing
1502751;1468463483;mircea_popescu;i was making a point omaigerd.
1502752;1468463506;asciilifeform;my point was that we actually have a handle on ~all~ the deps
1502753;1468463509;asciilifeform;in the sense of enumeration.
1502754;1468463539;mircea_popescu;yes, we do.
1502755;1468463619;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502694 << i'd make the downloader, if there must be one, a separate script.
1502756;1468463619;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 02:09 mod6: a person wants to build, presumably with the makefiles, but could be a build script... they pass the builder a flag that says "get these deps for me automatically", at which time, it'll go and fetch the deed(s) and verify them, decode them, and place them in the correct place and continue building.
1502757;1468463622;asciilifeform;sign that.
1502758;1468463640;asciilifeform;this 'here are the turds' thing are not something that ought to become habit.
1502759;1468463653;mircea_popescu;meh. becomes opaque.
1502760;1468463665;mircea_popescu;"oh, it's the downloader".
1502761;1468463697;mod6;i can see this both ways too.  i still wrestle with the whole "V Mirror" thing too.
1502762;1468463714;mod6;its the difference between "easy" and "manual".
1502763;1468463726;asciilifeform;it was the 'sign tarballs of liquishit' thing that led me to http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
1502764;1468463733;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1502765;1468463735;mod6;mechanically checked and verified, but something i wrestle with none the less.
1502766;1468463763;mircea_popescu;look, we can't not sign the things - these asswipes KEEP CHANGING THEM
1502767;1468463769;mircea_popescu;that's why i want them stored in deedbot and sealed up.
1502768;1468463791;mod6;I do tend to favor that, as opposed to signing my own death warrant.
1502769;1468463824;asciilifeform;pretty sure i signed a set of rotor dep hashes a while back.
1502770;1468463850;asciilifeform;possibly even deedbotted - though i have not been able to turn up the link
1502771;1468463858;mod6;As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there.  This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual"
1502772;1468463866;mod6;A compromise.
1502773;1468463871;asciilifeform;there is a reason i dun like it
1502774;1468463902;mircea_popescu;mod6 which v mirror thing is this ?
1502775;1468463912;asciilifeform;my position is that the customary degree of automagic: 'auto-fetch latest widget from central repo!11' - is not something that ought to be kept.
1502776;1468463920;mod6;Yes, you believe that one should read and verify these vpatches on their own, place them in by what they say, and who wrote them.  Instead of getting a big ball of wax automatically.
1502777;1468463928;asciilifeform;it is a psychologically-destructive habit
1502778;1468463970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gotta cut the branches in the proper order lest you break your teeth.
1502779;1468463971;mod6;I tend to agree with you -- but i believe that the entire thing reduces to a "downloader script" outside of V if I remove the mirrors part.
1502780;1468463980;asciilifeform;and in many cases, in particular the one now contemplated, is wholly unnecessary: fetching the trb deps is a once-per-machine thing
1502781;1468463988;asciilifeform;there is NO reason to download them on every build
1502782;1468463996;asciilifeform;you do it when you buy a new disk. that's it.
1502783;1468463997;mod6;So i feel like it's one or the other.  People need a way to press one button and build -- not everyone is clued.
1502784;1468464002;asciilifeform;and ideally, from ~your other disk~
1502785;1468464004;asciilifeform;not from the net.
1502786;1468464010;mircea_popescu;this is a point - script should prolly check for local cache first
1502787;1468464015;asciilifeform;aha.
1502788;1468464027;mircea_popescu;"we only need what wed don't have"
1502789;1468464059;mod6;Yeah, the makefiles will do this.  It'll check the "shit" folder and what not, and look. If there continue, if not, halt. UNLESS, the -go-get-the-shit flag is passed in the invocation.
1502790;1468464090;mod6;Then it'll continue with Mr. P.'s perscription above.
1502791;1468464104;mircea_popescu;works.
1502792;1468464177;mod6;To me, this seems to satisfy the requirements we've been kicking around for a while.
1502793;1468464183;mod6;asciilifeform: agreed?
1502794;1468464191;mircea_popescu;yeah definite progress here.
1502795;1468464202;mircea_popescu;the fence is quasi complete
1502796;1468464212;asciilifeform;definitely improvement over 'calls curl on my box with no nic'
1502797;1468464224;mod6;fair enough, Sir.
1502798;1468464244;asciilifeform;also i have this notion that we already had this, in some draft version, and i lost it.
1502799;1468464250;mod6;Thanks for both of your input this evening.
1502800;1468464254;mircea_popescu;shoulda deedbotted it
1502801;1468464259;mircea_popescu;since you're too poor to have blog
1502802;1468464260;mircea_popescu;:D
1502803;1468464267;asciilifeform;l0l aha
1502804;1468464270;mod6;asciilifeform: i believe that perhaps your stator script did something of the like.
1502805;1468464276;mod6;or rotor? i'd have to look.
1502806;1468464285;asciilifeform;nah, it just expected them to be there
1502807;1468464293;asciilifeform;i never had auto-loader of anything iirc.
1502808;1468464315;mod6;oh thats right, it just expected you to do this manually. which i automated.
1502809;1468464317;mod6;got it.
1502810;1468464323;mod6;'tis been a while.
1502811;1468464357;mod6;Anyway, this is great! I aught to write this up and put this into the ticket notes.
1502812;1468464385;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup*
1502813;1468465190;mod6;%h
1502814;1468465191;tb0t;<%a|%add> <project> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> "<subject>" "<notes>" [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
1502815;1468465210;mod6;%p trb 12
1502816;1468465212;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 12, Type: F, Subject: Makefiles for building full orchastra, Antecedents: , Notes:
1502817;1468465246;mod6;%e trb 12 F "Makefiles for building full orchastra" "http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502667"
1502818;1468465246;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 01:58 mircea_popescu: mod6 did you check/sign the copies ?
1502819;1468465260;mod6;%p trb 12
1502820;1468465261;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 12, Type: F, Subject: Makefiles for building full orchastra, Antecedents: , Notes:
1502821;1468465336;mod6;dafaq
1502822;1468465517;mod6;%p trb 12
1502823;1468465518;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 12, Type: F, Subject: Makefiles for building full orchastra, Antecedents: , Notes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502667
1502824;1468465518;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 01:58 mircea_popescu: mod6 did you check/sign the copies ?
1502825;1468465530;mod6;weird. i'll have to look into that.
1502826;1468467702;deedbot;[Qntra] Windows Print Spooler Vulnerability Spent 20 Years Unaddressed - http://qntra.net/2016/07/windows-print-spooler-vulnerability-spent-20-years-unaddressed/
1502827;1468467942;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Modernists: Fixing self-made problems since 1964. And before. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/13/modernists-fixing-self-made-problems-since-1964-and-before/
1502828;1468468994;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502702 << only as imposed by resource constraints. If the deps don't make it through the process I'll be at the keyboard tomorrow and will help make it happen.
1502829;1468468994;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 02:11 mod6: trinque: is there a max length for deeds?  (just curious about the above ^, some of these might be mightly large)
1502830;1468469075;trinque;mp's gnupg made it through, was a couple megs
1502831;1468469095;trinque;what's an order of magnitude or two ?!
1502832;1468469199;*;trinque afk
1502833;1468472983;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] KidPoker - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/13/kidpoker/
1502834;1468494269;shinohai;;;later tell http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771   <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ my localhost deps and it still builds as expected.
1502835;1468494269;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there.  This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual"
1502836;1468494270;gribble;Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
1502837;1468494288;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771   <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ my localhost deps and it still builds as expected.
1502838;1468494288;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there.  This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual"
1502839;1468494288;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1502840;1468494301;shinohai;gm #trilema, sorry 4 spam
1502841;1468501481;mircea_popescu;https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << for the record, kiwiirc seems much better solution than freenode's webchat. we should prolly switch to using this as web-side connection.
1502842;1468501486;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ^
1502843;1468501767;shinohai;kiwi has sexy cli version that is easy on eyes.
1502844;1468502505;mircea_popescu;freenode put in that pos google captcha at some point
1502845;1468502691;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The security implications of Pokemon Go. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/14/the-security-implications-of-pokemon-go/
1502846;1468502928;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: there's no captcha for the kiwiirc webchat thing only if your ip request is quite unique etc. if you e.g. go from tor (*ducks*) then you get presented with the lovely cloudflare captcha where you have to solve shit for multiple times until you pass. but at least no default captcha i guess
1502847;1468503043;Framedragger;ah, actually freenode blocks connection eventually anyway since tor node in dnsbl and whatnot, so that's not a good argument anyway i guess
1502848;1468503314;shinohai;freenode make you use the dreaded sasl connection for tor
1502849;1468503329;Framedragger;kiwiirc is pretty, yeah!
1502850;1468503973;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I've never used it, but ok
1502851;1468504121;BingoBoingo;qntra about and contact pages changed over
1502852;1468504211;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502851   <<< hey looks good
1502853;1468504211;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 13:48 BingoBoingo: qntra about and contact pages changed over
1502854;1468505442;mircea_popescu;Framedragger honestly, that it supports tor seems to me a counter argument to using anything.
1502855;1468505449;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo cool.
1502856;1468505729;BingoBoingo;brb, gotta get bar and chain oil
1502857;1468511303;deedbot;[Trilema] It is a "no brainer"! - http://trilema.com/2016/it-is-a-no-brainer/
1502858;1468511563;mircea_popescu;and in other artist's studio news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/ff0632038cc637b901f130fc624d758f/tumblr_n7ai7iixeM1r2sy0fo1_500.gif
1502859;1468511594;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n
1502860;1468511617;mircea_popescu;no it's totally how it goes!
1502861;1468511630;mircea_popescu;ask anyone from the art school freshman class.
1502862;1468511736;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502841 << what was wrong with the old chat ?
1502863;1468511736;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 13:04 mircea_popescu: https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << for the record, kiwiirc seems much better solution than freenode's webchat. we should prolly switch to using this as web-side connection.
1502864;1468511742;mircea_popescu;google captcha.
1502865;1468511753;asciilifeform;new one has no such ?
1502866;1468511758;mircea_popescu;not that i've seen.
1502867;1468511774;asciilifeform;also chat thing is a bunch of js, what's to keep us from hosting same, sans captcha etc. ?
1502868;1468511796;mircea_popescu;~nothing.
1502869;1468511821;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants the project, can be (probably SHOULD be) implemented as pure html, just a form.
1502870;1468511838;mircea_popescu;person wants to update the page, they have buttons just like anyone else.
1502871;1468511847;asciilifeform;how would you implement irc client in
1502872;1468511851;asciilifeform;'pure html' ?
1502873;1468511867;mircea_popescu;the chat line is a submit form, goes to chat bot.
1502874;1468511873;mircea_popescu;the rest is a static page.
1502875;1468511875;asciilifeform;so all connections happen on server side ?
1502876;1468511878;mircea_popescu;reloads on browser reload.
1502877;1468511878;mircea_popescu;yes
1502878;1468511897;asciilifeform;fleanode will ban it.
1502879;1468511899;shinohai;this looks rich http://archive.is/Q260I
1502880;1468511901;mircea_popescu;nope.
1502881;1468511911;trilema-webchat;my client #62 says : "hi folks how are you"
1502882;1468511921;trilema-webchat;my client #17 says : "i am the real dao attacker"
1502883;1468511933;asciilifeform;they'll ban the ip, and come up with some idiot excuse
1502884;1468511939;asciilifeform;or just silently drop packets etc.
1502885;1468511943;mircea_popescu;what sense does what you're saying make ?
1502886;1468511968;asciilifeform;the same sense the behaviour of my trb node's upstream makes.
1502887;1468511983;mircea_popescu;yes but it is verboten to engineer on the basis of nonsense.
1502888;1468511993;mircea_popescu;you may not make predictions on the basis of not understood behaviour!
1502889;1468511997;asciilifeform;this is like forbidding ship builder to consider water.
1502890;1468512006;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1502891;1468512008;asciilifeform;or spacecraft - vacuum.
1502892;1468512019;mircea_popescu;no, it is forbiding him to consider REMOTE CONTROLLED water.
1502893;1468512023;mircea_popescu;ie, "personalized waves"
1502894;1468512037;asciilifeform;and a depth charge is...?
1502895;1468512052;mircea_popescu;note that irrespective of the merits of the personalized waves theory, this forbidance is nevertheless productive.
1502896;1468512090;mircea_popescu;it makes the shipwright a shipwright rather than a strange sort of shaman.
1502897;1468512095;asciilifeform;at any rate, the web message box is a useful thing, and in fact the only way for heathens to talk into gossipd transmitter in the future.
1502898;1468512099;asciilifeform;so it will have to happen.
1502899;1468512126;mircea_popescu;yeah. dunno who'd be looking for something like that to do, lessee...
1502900;1468512136;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ?
1502901;1468512139;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes how about running a bot ?
1502902;1468512140;mircea_popescu;ha!
1502903;1468515048;ben_vulpes;hm?
1502904;1468515051;ben_vulpes;oh
1502905;1468515079;*;ben_vulpes reads thread
1502906;1468515528;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes may be entertained to learn that asciilifeform finally has cnc machine.
1502907;1468515553;asciilifeform;ancient thing, needs new steppers, but otherwise clean.
1502908;1468515581;asciilifeform;even came with isa (yes) card for dos (yes) box to drive the old steppers (dead)
1502909;1468515733;trinque;asciilifeform: neat, have a particular project you're going to mill?
1502910;1468515792;asciilifeform;trinque: a number of back-burner items.
1502911;1468515903;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: entertained and excited!
1502912;1468515915;ben_vulpes;trinque: did you ever deed deedbot's source?
1502913;1468515929;trinque;nope
1502914;1468515956;trinque;not opposed but haven't
1502915;1468516005;trinque;lemme work on cleaving the commands from the botstuff and then I can give ya the sauce if you want it
1502916;1468516036;trinque;er actually I posted an older version at some point didn't I?
1502917;1468516118;*;ben_vulpes has a fuzzy memory, is on the road though and not disposed to dig it up
1502918;1468516153;trinque;old anyway, I'll let ya know when, and it'll be in the form of a signed vpatch
1502919;1468516161;ben_vulpes;trinque: lowers the energy barrier for me to do the thing mircea_popescu and asciilifeform were talking about
1502920;1468516170;*;ben_vulpes not particularly disposed to write an irc bot either
1502921;1468516180;asciilifeform;iirc he posted it a while ago
1502922;1468516186;asciilifeform;as a paste
1502923;1468516205;asciilifeform;but i have nfi how many bugs ago it was.
1502924;1468516207;ben_vulpes;i probably have it on disk somewhere
1502925;1468516244;ben_vulpes;but yes, old.
1502926;1468518146;Apocalyptic;would anyone here be interested in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1545613 ?
1502927;1468518445;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] Who saw this wonder? - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/who-saw-this-wonder/
1502928;1468518726;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha
1502929;1468518734;*;asciilifeform falls down.
1502930;1468518822;jurov;i'm wondering how this is ever a $100 project, too
1502931;1468518832;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: well ok I may have underestimated the time
1502932;1468518861;ben_vulpes;why do you want this, Apocalyptic ?
1502933;1468518874;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: depending on whether you want to implement a useful sat-solver, it could easily take years.
1502934;1468518886;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: I don't want a solver
1502935;1468518905;Apocalyptic;I just want the problem as a CNF file
1502936;1468518942;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: i assume you read the original 'satcoin' paper ?
1502937;1468518949;asciilifeform;$s satcoin
1502938;1468518949;a111;19 results for "satcoin", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=satcoin
1502939;1468518995;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-04#368163 << thread.
1502940;1468518995;a111;Logged on 2013-11-04 16:00 asciilifeform: satcoin: http://jheusser.github.io/2013/02/03/satcoin.html
1502941;1468519060;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: oh, interesting
1502942;1468519076;Apocalyptic;ben_vulpes: fun
1502943;1468519092;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: the idea's been kicking around for a long time.
1502944;1468519096;Apocalyptic;jurov: well i'm all ears as to why it isn't
1502945;1468519127;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: I assure you I don't plan to apply this to bitcoin mining, even though It did cross my mind to just try how it would fare in comparison
1502946;1468519149;asciilifeform;it is the obvious application, along with pw cracking
1502947;1468519169;Apocalyptic;indeed
1502948;1468519236;jurov;Apocalyptic: have you actually read that pdf?
1502949;1468519251;Apocalyptic;jurov: the one I linked in that post ? yes
1502950;1468519264;jurov;to cite: "We tried several standard approaches for computing the cnf equivalent of the formula H, but all of them failed even for relatively small message lengths"
1502951;1468519288;jurov;which is exactly the task what you want to be doen for $100, I understand?
1502952;1468519300;Apocalyptic;jurov: they managed to do it eventually
1502953;1468519335;Apocalyptic;see the paragraph I'm referring to, and they even posted benchmark results as graph for collision resistance and preimage problems
1502954;1468519357;Apocalyptic;so I guess they had something running and didn't pull them out of their ass
1502955;1468519358;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: you linked a very different paper! about md5
1502956;1468519377;asciilifeform;or is that the one you want cnf for
1502957;1468519384;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: the approach is hash-agnostic
1502958;1468519411;Apocalyptic;if you have a prog to build the cnf for md5, you can build it for any similarly based hash function
1502959;1468519473;jurov;did this jovanovic actually publish it?
1502960;1468519487;Apocalyptic;publish what ?
1502961;1468519525;Apocalyptic;I should maybe mention that I actually mailed these scientists, and they replied!
1502962;1468519535;Apocalyptic;Saying they no longer have the code, as it's been 10 years
1502963;1468519608;jurov;operator overloading will get you some list "operator X was called on some values Y,Z, result is R" at best
1502964;1468519650;jurov;but that is easy. producing a code to correctly convert that to cnf is the problem
1502965;1468520213;Apocalyptic;from the satcoin pape: "The implementation of the above program generates a large CNF formula with about 250'000 variables and 850'000 clauses." I wonder how much lower these numbers would be for a single iteration of sha256
1502966;1468520245;Apocalyptic;jurov: afaik that part is explained in the paper too
1502967;1468520402;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: quite likely, higher.
1502968;1468520653;*;trinque caught up on logs
1502969;1468520666;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeah, I'll get you bot source soon
1502970;1468520737;trinque;ben_vulpes: you'll be happy to know the thing both writes messages to a table and reads messages to send from an outbound table
1502971;1468520797;trinque;so the chat page will involve perhaps 1 select, 1 insert
1502972;1468520798;ben_vulpes;that *does* sound nifty.
1502973;1468520806;ben_vulpes;hoho
1502974;1468520809;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: higher number of variables and clauses ? how does that even make sense ?
1502975;1468520824;ben_vulpes;trinque: no rush, i've got other irons in the fire that still need pounding.
1502976;1468520838;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: sha2 has more moving parts, neh ?
1502977;1468520849;trinque;ben_vulpes: yeh I want to make it tidy enough to share
1502978;1468520870;ben_vulpes;subject only of pounding: https://www.amazon.com/Pokebutt-Go-Pounded-Em-All-ebook/dp/B01IAGH4VI/
1502979;1468520891;ben_vulpes;chuck tingle makes me want to write an erotica shannonizer
1502980;1468520893;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: the figure is for sha256(sha256())
1502981;1468520911;ben_vulpes;use sales as feedback
1502982;1468520911;Apocalyptic;and i'm comparing to a single iteration of sha256()... so less moving parts
1502983;1468520925;asciilifeform;then possibly
1502984;1468520944;asciilifeform;but my advice, before you 'won't somebody do this for $100' to try it yourself
1502985;1468520954;asciilifeform;and see if it's an hour's of undergrad work, or not.
1502986;1468521000;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: actually reading the satcoin link you provided I don't think it's a worthy endeavour to explore anymore
1502987;1468521022;Apocalyptic;as for try it yourself, I believe my time is better spent elsewhere
1502988;1468521223;Apocalyptic;maybe it could be done for a heavily round-reduced sha2
1502989;1468521340;jurov;it certainly has been done. and surely they converted the algorithm by hand, instead of crude C++ hacking.
1502990;1468521440;Apocalyptic;for the lulz, the Angell guy that signed up sent me, I kid you not, a copy/pasted code of a public github repo which consisted of a SAT-solver that doesn't even build
1502991;1468521469;asciilifeform;big fat surprise - you pretend to pay, folks pretend to work.
1502992;1468521482;Apocalyptic;scrapped the headers/copyrights from the files, and ad "using namespace Apocalyptic;", r, rewriting half of the prototype functions with my nick
1502993;1468521498;asciilifeform;this is not a $100 job, nor a job for forum-dwelling pond scum
1502994;1468521506;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: I figured
1502995;1468521536;deedbot;[Qntra] Mark Karpelès Released on Bail - http://qntra.net/2016/07/mark-karpeles-released-on-bail/
1502996;1468524093;asciilifeform;http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/pennsylvania-man-impregnated-girl-gifted-to-him-when-she-was-14-criminal-complaint << lel, harem usa-style
1502997;1468524121;asciilifeform;'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.'
1502998;1468524234;jurov;https://thefreeonline.wordpress.com/2016/07/11/berliners-defy-massive-siege-by-police-defending-rigaer-94-and-autonomous-revolution-from-market-gentrification/ meanwhile in berlin
1502999;1468524294;asciilifeform;jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against
1503000;1468524302;asciilifeform;from linked article
1503001;1468524313;jurov;squatters vs. police
1503002;1468524325;asciilifeform;ah
1503003;1468524354;asciilifeform;in other nyooz from earlier rag, u.s. fbi gives up on finding the famous cooper: http://ktla.com/2016/07/12/d-b-cooper-45-years-after-infamous-skyjacking-fbi-closes-case-on-200000-unsolved-mystery
1503004;1468524372;asciilifeform;(fella who held a plane for ransom in '71, and jumped from parachute)
1503005;1468526083;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1503006;1468526085;gribble;Current Blocks: 420734 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 609 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1503007;1468526089;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1503008;1468526095;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 661.82, vol: 2903.22443424 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 649.74, vol: 5259.33044 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.94, vol: 20850.12588235 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 626.0, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 659.715056, vol: 25880.81880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 661.45, vol: 1115.81782495 | Volume-weighted last average: 659.378042634
1503009;1468526098;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
1503010;1468526106;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 496.298818, vol: 2903.22443424 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 487.240026, vol: 5259.33044 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 469.4374, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 498.31418, vol: 25880.81880000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 505.0, vol: 82.78044979 | Volume-weighted last average: 496.452234169
1503011;1468526907;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502928 << the expression is "this is easy if you know what you're doing". rather typical for web "frelancing" crud.
1503012;1468526907;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 17:52 asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: 'Updated the price to 100 USD. It's really not a complicated task, everything is outlined in the paper. An average C++ programmer knowing operator overloading should be able to do it in 2-3 hours.' << ahahahahaha
1503013;1468526958;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502931 << if in the future you manage to not overestimate tardstalk.org i'll be ever so grateful to you.
1503014;1468526958;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 17:53 Apocalyptic: asciilifeform: well ok I may have underestimated the time
1503015;1468526987;mircea_popescu;$rated Apocalyptic
1503016;1468526988;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated Apocalyptic 2 at 2014/10/31 17:01:32 << ex-x-bt.com
1503017;1468527016;mircea_popescu;$rate Apocalyptic -1 ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take.
1503018;1468527018;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0cda5120-2ee0-4e87-8b6b-2facad54a624/
1503019;1468527042;mircea_popescu;$v 51B4D0A4E9B9E4963AFD3063A5F7DD49A3D71C6F6DC7AF3A0C98539A02CE468E
1503020;1468527043;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of Apocalyptic from 2 to -1 << ex tmsr, currently tardstalk. apparently sense sometimes fails to take.
1503021;1468527235;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: hey, indeed I tremendously overestimated tardstalk
1503022;1468527243;mircea_popescu;happens.
1503023;1468527277;Apocalyptic;but hey it was been educational, at least I know I won't ever be going there to get work done
1503024;1468527285;mircea_popescu;or here.
1503025;1468527711;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established.
1503026;1468527711;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 19:22 asciilifeform: 'In a related case, authorities nearly 100 miles away in Lancaster County arrested the parents of the 18-year-old, with police saying the couple had “gifted” their daughter to Kaplan for helping them out of financial difficulties. She was 14 when her first child was conceived, the criminal complaint said.'
1503027;1468527770;Apocalyptic;funny how this experience makes me persona non grata
1503028;1468527795;shinohai;tardstalk looks like Filipinos came in and took a giant sig-spam shit everywhere.
1503029;1468527802;shinohai;Can't find anything there.
1503030;1468527809;mircea_popescu;well... because they did.
1503031;1468527810;Apocalyptic;shinohai: can't agree more
1503032;1468527838;Apocalyptic;I haven't been there in ages, most posts are pure non-sense to increase post counts for signature campaigns
1503033;1468527859;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you can plead ignorance all you want. lalala check me out, i'm going to pretend like this doesn't exist and here's tardstalk, seriously. then if you get whacked for it play the victim ? get fucked already, this isn't how it's played.
1503034;1468527868;mircea_popescu;now stfu before i feel the need to also silence your dumb ass.
1503035;1468527870;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: I'm not pleading ignorance
1503036;1468528034;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502999 << "this place should not be used by group X but by group Y according to the who-has-more-euros() function results" "fuck you, you just print the euros, they don't reflect any substantive relation".
1503037;1468528034;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 19:24 asciilifeform: jurov: i am failing to discern what the protest was against
1503038;1468528037;mircea_popescu;that's the protest.
1503039;1468529777;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: suddenly it makes sense. we have these here.
1503040;1468529872;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1503025 << devil knows! hence link.
1503041;1468529872;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 20:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502997 << how much of this is genuine amish weird and how much of this is cheap sensationalism pulled out of the ass by soviet state in its fight to flatten any curl of independence in its perceived domains is probably never getting established.
1503042;1468530340;mircea_popescu;i can't even say i don't sympathise with the hipsters.
1503043;1468530362;mircea_popescu;they do have a point, euros can stand as no basis for resource allocation ; and the euro legal system has absolutely no business intervening in this sort of dispute.
1503044;1468530378;mircea_popescu;their lot is abstract nonsense, let them pass judgement on the pressing matter of how many angles fit on a pinhead and such.
1503045;1468530392;asciilifeform;so how to settle dispute? gladiators ?
1503046;1468530398;mircea_popescu;any other way.
1503047;1468530403;mircea_popescu;currently, apparently, yes. gladiators.
1503048;1468530425;asciilifeform;the money printin' folk can print a truckload, hire moar gladiator.
1503049;1468530429;asciilifeform;problem is not thus solved.
1503050;1468530430;mircea_popescu;"hire"
1503051;1468530437;mircea_popescu;the other side can deficit spend JUST as well.
1503052;1468530446;mircea_popescu;it's all ideological motivated, in the same way to the exact same end.
1503053;1468530450;asciilifeform;what will it spend? old candy wrappers ?
1503054;1468530456;mircea_popescu;words.
1503055;1468530490;mircea_popescu;euro fishwrapping paper buys you soda ; candy wrappers buy you cunt. seems the other side's better backed actually.,
1503056;1468530510;asciilifeform;'The  ‘filthy anti-system’ extremists in the neighbourhood are defending their coop culture, free schools and kindergartens, their anti property speculation, shared living experiments, anti patriarchy, music, art, bar and cafe collectives, refugee welcome initiatives, anti war and climate saving politics and degrowth movements……. etc'
1503057;1468530537;mircea_popescu;aha.
1503058;1468530550;mircea_popescu;strictly boils down to "easy cunt"
1503059;1468530618;mircea_popescu;and yes, i readily agree with you and in effigy with "sensible people" of a generation that died with chet - that all this is barbaric nonsense, and wtf is wrong with people!
1503060;1468530632;mircea_popescu;socialism. it ruined the currency, now there's no way to avoid societal disorder. so yes, gladiators.
1503061;1468530722;asciilifeform;the sad part is that they're one-armed gladiators. e.g., burning police cars, rather than shooting politicians or latifundistas etc
1503062;1468530798;mircea_popescu;why would you expect they'd do anything but burning police cars ?
1503063;1468530819;asciilifeform;precisely, i wouldn't expect.
1503064;1468530827;mircea_popescu;they, contrary to the "anti patriarchy" verbiage, are very deeply male. will attach responsibility (correctly) to the closest link, entire. rather than womanly go around looking for "implications"
1503065;1468530832;mircea_popescu;you're too civilised for your own good, here.
1503066;1468530847;asciilifeform;wake me up when police run out of cars, to burn.
1503067;1468530852;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no no. not "why would you expect them to be smart". "why would you expect smart people to do the dumb thing"
1503068;1468530863;mircea_popescu;that's entirely an irrelevant point.
1503069;1468530865;asciilifeform;stomping individual ants is dumb.
1503070;1468530872;mircea_popescu;to you.
1503071;1468530874;asciilifeform;anthill can birth them faster than you can stomp.
1503072;1468530881;mircea_popescu;than YOU can stomp.
1503073;1468530893;asciilifeform;than anybody but a million-man army could stomp.
1503074;1468530899;trinque;so then.
1503075;1468530900;mircea_popescu;this is a million man army.
1503076;1468530905;asciilifeform;armies shoot.
1503077;1468530911;mircea_popescu;armies win.
1503078;1468530925;mircea_popescu;not the form, you sickly infected soul you. NOT THE FORM.
1503079;1468530946;asciilifeform;hooligans sum to 0, whether jacqueries in 1100 or window-busting 'antifa' reds now.
1503080;1468530974;mircea_popescu;this statement has nothing to do with reality and no power over it. all it does is, it identifies the speaker. identifies him as a roman.
1503081;1468531009;mircea_popescu;specifically important word, and do consider
1503082;1468531013;mircea_popescu;$google mai bine huligan decit activist
1503083;1468531014;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golaniad << Golaniad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkI42zPuH7w << Imnul golanilor | http://cuvintecelebre.ro/mai-bine-mort-decat-comunist/ << Mai bine mort, decât... Imnul Golanilor, citat de Cristian Pațurcă
1503084;1468531089;asciilifeform;looks like a maidanism/tiananmenism, colourful revolution attempt ?
1503085;1468531105;mircea_popescu;relatively complicated.
1503086;1468531129;mircea_popescu;but, whatever the historical underlying, the point stands. your chocie is hooligan or aparatchick, pick.
1503087;1468531162;mircea_popescu;aparat-CHICK, funnily enough. may be the one time translation improves the text.
1503088;1468531164;asciilifeform;well from pov of apparat, the opposition is naturally 'dirty hooligan'
1503089;1468531173;mircea_popescu;and vice-versa.
1503090;1468531176;asciilifeform;but i was speaking of the disorganization/aimlessness/anomie
1503091;1468531191;mircea_popescu;this is a matter of you not a matter of it. both order and disorder are subjective reactions.
1503092;1468531199;mircea_popescu;there's no such thing as "order" in physical reality.
1503093;1468531201;asciilifeform;consider spanish civil war
1503094;1468531205;mircea_popescu;alright
1503095;1468531211;asciilifeform;why republicans lost ?
1503096;1468531224;mircea_popescu;who knows these things, and what's to lose.
1503097;1468531242;asciilifeform;it isn't as if it were a nuke war, we have plenty of evidence re why
1503098;1468531251;mircea_popescu;you don't think nsa lost, or usg lost, or any of the imperial heavenly legions ever lost.
1503099;1468531257;mircea_popescu;why should the republicans have lost ?
1503100;1468531260;asciilifeform;lost - spain, their skins, etc. lost it all.
1503101;1468531276;mircea_popescu;heh. everyone eventually loses his skin. what, hruschev lost ?
1503102;1468531279;mircea_popescu;sure, he's dead.
1503103;1468531298;*;asciilifeform straps on gas mask
1503104;1468531311;mircea_popescu;$google eugene ionesco "golan academician"
1503105;1468531312;deedbot;No results.
1503106;1468531320;mircea_popescu;oobviously.
1503107;1468531670;asciilifeform;soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan.
1503108;1468531716;asciilifeform;beast was devoured by much larger, stronger beast, and not by some mythical 'victory of the beoble'
1503109;1468531775;asciilifeform;we do not yet have a modern example of roman-style collapse to work with.
1503110;1468532069;asciilifeform;possibly rhodesia ?
1503111;1468532138;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/13P6
1503112;1468532139;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1503113;1468532637;BingoBoingo;ty
1503114;1468534427;phf;$s "megaprocessor"
1503115;1468534427;a111;3 results for "\"megaprocessor\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22megaprocessor%22
1503116;1468534979;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] Play To Lose - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/play-to-lose/
1503117;1468535631;BingoBoingo;Oh apparently truck > Assault rifle!
1503118;1468535690;trinque;inb4 snackbar
1503119;1468535698;mats;aloha!
1503120;1468535832;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1503121;1468535838;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 659.22, vol: 2605.84355433 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 645.6, vol: 5338.74366 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.08, vol: 21362.55703792 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 626.0, vol: 0.03043283 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 657.937808, vol: 26130.99380000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 662.773, vol: 1161.41813037 | Volume-weighted last average: 657.740813699
1503122;1468536630;deedbot;[Qntra] Bastille Day Truck Attack In Nice, France - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bastille-day-truck-attack-in-nice-france/
1503123;1468537076;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: doesn't /affect/ gameplay
1503124;1468537181;danielpbarron;fxt, ty
1503125;1468537761;ben_vulpes;interesting gedankenexperiment
1503126;1468537767;ben_vulpes;(yw)
1503127;1468538773;mod6;werd up
1503128;1468538823;mod6; <shinohai> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502771 <<< remember i told you i did a test rum where i replaced V's mirror w/ mlocalhost deps and it still builds as expected. << oh yeah, forgot about that!
1503129;1468538823;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 02:37 mod6: As far as the "V Mirror" thing, that I know alf hates, I move forward on the basis that one doesn't have to use it, even though it is there.  This may not be ideal, but it's bridge between both "easy" and "manual"
1503130;1468539613;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/truck-crashes-into-crowd-at-bastille-day-celebrations-in-nice2/ << 73 reported here
1503131;1468539690;BingoBoingo;trinque: Updated
1503132;1468539757;trinque;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/91-year-old-woman-fills-in-crossword-at-museum---only-to-discove/ << in other newsworthy
1503133;1468539759;trinque;lol
1503134;1468540035;mod6;haha
1503135;1468543842;BingoBoingo;So even though the weather has been objectively worse here this week than last, I have observed a sharp increase in the number of transmayos walking and biking outside while glued to their smartphones.
1503136;1468543917;BingoBoingo;“Pokemon Go to the Polls" - Clitler July 14th, 2016
1503137;1468544016;BingoBoingo;Possibly of alf interest, the snackbar truck https://archive.is/ftFPL
1503138;1468544272;trinque;BingoBoingo: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/bastille-day-crash-live-updates-8424850 << video here. the event's already social media porn for both isis and... what's the other side, cuckistan?
1503139;1468544289;trinque;seems both love it equally
1503140;1468544293;BingoBoingo;trinque: Why only two sides?
1503141;1468544344;trinque;which others do you see?
1503142;1468544362;trinque;I see a european ass in the air and a brown guy having the time of his life
1503143;1468544403;BingoBoingo;Well, https://i.imgur.com/jI5ccLN.jpg for example
1503144;1468544426;BingoBoingo;And in obvious headlines http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/being-obese-can-kill-you-study-finds-n609601
1503145;1468544458;trinque;woah, is that stray toilet paper in uh... "front" ?
1503146;1468544542;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1503107 << this is rank nonsense on the level of "cred intr-unul dumnezeu, tatal atottiitorul". go, believe.
1503147;1468544542;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 21:27 asciilifeform: soviet sphere quite certainly did not fall because su (or ro, or any) police ran out of cars to burn. but because gorbachev wanted his flat in manhattan.
1503148;1468544547;mircea_popescu;it dun do nuttin.
1503149;1468544552;BingoBoingo;Who knows? But it would probably enjoy the brown guy who would not be having the time of his life.
1503150;1468544565;mircea_popescu;soviets fell because ran out of cars. i was there when they did. i will be there when these re-soviets will.
1503151;1468545058;mircea_popescu;(Πιστεύομεν εἰς ἕνα Θεόν, Πατέρα, Παντοκράτορα for teh curious.)
1503152;1468547059;mircea_popescu;aaand in random ancient trilema roll, http://trilema.com/2009/a-fost-odata-cand-romania-a-avut-dreptate/
1503153;1468547539;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/ftEoWvp.jpg
1503154;1468547545;BingoBoingo;^Not fat
1503155;1468547561;mircea_popescu;good call.
1503156;1468547569;mircea_popescu;quit school now.
1503157;1468547692;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1503158;1468547748;BingoBoingo;Also related church bsns https://i.imgur.com/YIl9HWk.jpg
1503159;1468548974;BingoBoingo;http://whdh.com/news/pokemon-go-player-discovers-body-in-nashua/ < Body #2
1503160;1468551330;mircea_popescu;i actually lived there!
1503161;1468553137;BingoBoingo;What a coinidence the next generation of smartphone surveillance would direct users to places mircea_popescu lived!
1503162;1468553545;mircea_popescu;lol
1503163;1468555085;mats;http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/07/12/US-troops-head-to-Iraq-ahead-of-Mosul-fight-.html
1503164;1468555387;mats;i look forward to reading about the ensuing power struggle after IS gets squashed
1503165;1468555428;mats;and then the subsequent IS resurgence
1503166;1468558146;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/07/mark-karpeles-released-on-bail/#comment-64116
1503167;1468562662;ben_vulpes;> 560 additional troops
1503168;1468562696;ben_vulpes;> assist iraqi troops
1503169;1468562700;ben_vulpes;> IS gets squashed
1503170;1468565050;mats;not sure if you've been following, but they've lost a lot of territory recently
1503171;1468565067;mats;~40% according to some
1503172;1468565209;mats;and they don't have planes
1503173;1468565290;mats;i expect coalition forces to succeed
1503174;1468565294;mats;eventually
1503175;1468566516;shinohai;here i thought i was the only person with insomnia in trilema
1503176;1468566722;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1503177;1468566725;gribble;Current Blocks: 420788 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 555 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1503178;1468571339;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/13Yf
1503179;1468571340;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1503180;1468577794;Framedragger;lolwut, Apocalyptic was wrong by deciding to play in the wrong sandbox? Ok.
1503181;1468578701;Framedragger;regarding LAMP stacks and blog software: static site generators are there for a reason. significantly smaller codebases and attack surfaces cf. wordpress. just sayin'.
1503182;1468578782;Framedragger;ah, this was suggested, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1496088 etc.
1503183;1468578782;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 18:53 phf: trinque: i suggested one, ascii couldn't get past first line
1503184;1468583757;jurov;Framedragger: how do you do comments with static generator? *bleh* gravatar?
1503185;1468583962;Framedragger;jurov: that, of course, is a problem. but surely "everything dynamic or everything static & no comments" is a false dichotomy? could you not have an html form which POSTs to a separate dynamic handler which is only responsible for comments? a "current comments" static html page is generated upon every new approved comment, etc.
1503186;1468584016;Framedragger;(maybe i just described a spec that i should one day implement, heh)
1503187;1468584053;Framedragger;i'm amused that it's hard to find something like this, i.e. static generator _and_ a comment handler component
1503188;1468584056;jurov;and then you want to remove some spam and edit "current comments" file in place?
1503189;1468584109;Framedragger;each comment saved as separate file, to be removed etc using normal system tools; any modifcation under tree triggers static content regeneration
1503190;1468584116;Framedragger;not saying that it'd be wisiwyg-pretty
1503191;1468584132;Framedragger;*wysiwyg
1503192;1468584246;jurov;and then you decide you want to store metadata for comments, that means moar files or some gnarly file format :)
1503193;1468584386;Framedragger;sure, it *may* descend into madness, you're right!
1503194;1468584465;Framedragger;i guess the only way to convince people would be to present a working PoC with working spam mitigation, hm.
1503195;1468584611;Framedragger;but at this point im more interested to try my hand at 'p2p/federated content system', a la mp's e2e encrypted generalized forum idea, whatever this resolves to in the particular.
1503196;1468585330;jurov;one step at a time, i guess
1503197;1468591832;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: When I find one that seems to have this it draws the not unimportant criticism that it requires the whole Plan 9 userspace
1503198;1468592144;deedbot;[Qntra] Steem Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/07/steem-hacked/
1503199;1468593228;asciilifeform;'Welcome to the Blockchain!  Your voice is worth something' << this has got to be a parody
1503200;1468593289;BingoBoingo;More on the new surveillance revolution "This app [poke-a-man Go] did in 24 hours what Michelle Obama couldn’t do in eight years. It gets kids off the couch and moving."
1503201;1468594103;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503172 << bbbuut barbarians always defeat rome!1111
1503202;1468594103;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 06:46 mats: and they don't have planes
1503203;1468594571;BingoBoingo;I'm not sure they *need* the Levant if they have France
1503204;1468601567;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “Suppose we have an exchange that, due to resource limitations, is limited to 5 decimal places for orders”, or how Kraken is scamming to stay solvent. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/15/suppose-we-have-an-exchange-that-due-to-resource-limitations-is-limited-to-5-decimal-places-for-orders-or-how-kraken-is-scamming-to-stay-solvent/
1503205;1468602717;mircea_popescu;lol "bitcoin as a real" derps
1503206;1468602810;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503173 << looks like they had some sort of falling out or w/e, not too clear.
1503207;1468602810;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 06:48 mats: i expect coalition forces to succeed
1503208;1468602862;mircea_popescu;but imo odds are yet another replacement group will show up. the notion of coallition success is ridiculous, the arabs are just wearing them down, exact same way they did to the french in north africa a century ago.
1503209;1468602950;mircea_popescu;aand in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irhlNJdqqbs
1503210;1468602960;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, when digging into eth etc in light of 'turing-complete!111 programmable!1111' scamatronics, i was somewhat surprised that they did not add the flourish of 'algebraic coin'
1503211;1468602966;asciilifeform;'you have sqrt(2) eth!'
1503212;1468602985;mircea_popescu;because they don't even VAGUELY understand wtf they're doing
1503213;1468602999;mircea_popescu;you understand this ? it's not the case of a person making design decisions on some basis leading to some results.
1503214;1468603021;asciilifeform;didn't they round up an entire circus of academics etc ?
1503215;1468603026;mircea_popescu;it's the case amoeba in an agar fell upon some grains of sugar and are now taking their approximate shape, as perceived by amoebic senses
1503216;1468603037;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that apparently doesn't at all help.
1503217;1468603044;mircea_popescu;who knew "academic" == "shannonizer"
1503218;1468603114;asciilifeform;or possibly this is rather like complaining that cargo cult straw airplane lacks real hydraulics
1503219;1468603127;asciilifeform;it's a sham, for fooling illiterate natives, what hydraulics.
1503220;1468603160;mircea_popescu;yeah, but the main problem is that the african/pacific islander notion of "water" precludes hydraulics for a number of solidly good reasons a few derivations prior.
1503221;1468603174;asciilifeform;this also.
1503222;1468603177;mircea_popescu;all these in the spirit of cixi's too loud train : "water abhors metal recipients"
1503223;1468603188;mircea_popescu;well fuck you jack, you're not making ceramic hydraqulics.
1503224;1468603223;asciilifeform;or kruger/slocum.
1503225;1468603237;mircea_popescu;examples abound.
1503226;1468603287;asciilifeform;at any rate, i expect 'must evaluate expression with unknowns to learn how much shitcoin you really have' will one day appear.
1503227;1468603325;asciilifeform;it is an almost inevitable thing, per the familiar chumpatronic model (consider fiatola 'middle class' fella trying to evaluate his net worth, sitting in a pile of bezzles of 1,001 types)
1503228;1468603331;mircea_popescu;it's already here : raise your shitcoin holdings to whatever power you feel like and then multiply the result by zero to find out how much value you're holding.
1503229;1468603340;asciilifeform;matchbox computer !
1503230;1468603348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, it happens another place. ipad games!
1503231;1468603371;mircea_popescu;the ~only successful ipad mmorpgs consist of exactly this : make 500 minigames loosely bunched together in a "daily activity meter" list of rewards,
1503232;1468603382;mircea_popescu;produce 500 different coins that are inexchangeable
1503233;1468603392;mircea_popescu;people have "fun" through sheer confusion. plus they're never done playing.
1503234;1468603412;asciilifeform;i dun see the fun there.
1503235;1468603412;mircea_popescu;"your poverty is so complicated you can literally never finish evaluating just how poor you are."
1503236;1468603421;mircea_popescu;yeah well you're not in the demo.
1503237;1468603433;asciilifeform;i'm not exactly outside the demo, but still dun see..
1503238;1468603483;mircea_popescu;you are not in the demo even vaguely. ipad games are for millenials. kids of a very peculiar plato's cave upbringing. kids that never killed an animal with their own hands ; that never ran until they lost balance, that never fought with the boys or pulled the girl's hair an' skirts.
1503239;1468603488;mircea_popescu;it's a thing, you're not it.
1503240;1468603613;asciilifeform;i tried many times, these games, and the lack of keyboard and mouse ruins it all
1503241;1468603633;asciilifeform;the strange thing is, a ~pen~ would work quite well for lucas arts / sierra / etc. adventures
1503242;1468603637;asciilifeform;but where are the pen machines !
1503243;1468603640;asciilifeform;they sorta vanished
1503244;1468603655;mircea_popescu;that stylus crap ? stupid idea srsly.
1503245;1468603658;asciilifeform;nono
1503246;1468603661;asciilifeform;the wacom radio pen
1503247;1468603664;asciilifeform;not the pressure pen idiocy
1503248;1468603666;mircea_popescu;ah
1503249;1468603675;mircea_popescu;it may be to complex.
1503250;1468603676;asciilifeform;i picked up an old 'dell' at a junk store not long ago, that had built-in wacom-esque pen, and tried using it
1503251;1468603681;asciilifeform;but it goes out of alignment in minutes
1503252;1468603700;asciilifeform;i have nfi if this was so when it was new, and hence why the thing can only be seen in junk shops, or otherwise.
1503253;1468603718;asciilifeform;if you think about it, wacom has ridiculously tight tolerances
1503254;1468603740;asciilifeform;probably even needs thermal compensation, if you want the pixels-to-pen-nib relation to stay just-so
1503255;1468603767;asciilifeform;this is a shame, because i ~like~ pens
1503256;1468603774;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503180 << let it be said that if you wander into the courthouse one day and staple an invitation to your hipster fair / recruitment drive on the judge's face he'll whack you once and if that doesn't do it you'll spend the next month in county jail thinking things through. it's a thing, there's a hierarchy in realia, which obviously isn't obligatory to dreamers - up until the dog comes.
1503257;1468603774;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 10:16 Framedragger: lolwut, Apocalyptic was wrong by deciding to play in the wrong sandbox? Ok.
1503258;1468603811;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it may be a quantum problem actually.
1503259;1468603852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: dunno about it being a deep problem, wacom sells a $couple-of-k display unit with warrantied alignment
1503260;1468603857;asciilifeform;but i never had it, cannot comment.
1503261;1468603862;mircea_popescu;me either.
1503262;1468603886;asciilifeform;admittedly i want this for cad, rather than sierra gamez.
1503263;1468603897;asciilifeform;but not badly enough.
1503264;1468604089;asciilifeform;http://www.wacom.com/en-us/products/pen-displays << vendor of subj.
1503265;1468604117;asciilifeform;apparently there is now 7 types of this thing, since i last saw (decade or so ago.)
1503266;1468604182;asciilifeform;if anybody reading this has used one of them gadgets, plz write in.
1503267;1468604187;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503181 << yeah this is tru. of course nothing keeps one from having wp output static pages also.
1503268;1468604187;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 10:31 Framedragger: regarding LAMP stacks and blog software: static site generators are there for a reason. significantly smaller codebases and attack surfaces cf. wordpress. just sayin'.
1503269;1468604246;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503184 << can STILL use the pure html form method discussed http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1502869 re chat bot.
1503270;1468604246;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 15:57 mircea_popescu: if anyone wants the project, can be (probably SHOULD be) implemented as pure html, just a form.
1503271;1468604246;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 11:55 jurov: Framedragger: how do you do comments with static generator? *bleh* gravatar?
1503272;1468604269;mircea_popescu;dubious if it's worth the hassle, which is ~why i never seriously pursued it.
1503273;1468604954;asciilifeform;long ago, i tried my hand at 'sane blogging engine' and barfed; simply can't stand wwwtronic idiocy, e.g,. 'logging in', 'browser state', https crapolade tower, css, etc.
1503274;1468604970;asciilifeform;it is fundamentally evil.
1503275;1468604985;asciilifeform;and creaks at the seams, no matter what you do.
1503276;1468606089;asciilifeform;re: earlier thread: i'm a little surprised that nobody (afaik) has combined the sensing antennae of 'wacom'-like apparatus into the lcd pixel addressing lines themselves.
1503277;1468606095;asciilifeform;this would handily eliminate alignment as a thing.
1503278;1468606711;asciilifeform;in other 'yesterday's nobel is tomorrow's homework' nyooz, http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2016/07/14/cloudflare-we-have-a-problem
1503279;1468606913;asciilifeform;and re: last night's 'keep on truckin'!' >> 'An eyewitness to the attack described the driver as "a young guy, very focused on what he was doing." "He didn't looking angry," John Lambert told CBC News. "He wasn't screaming or shouting. He was just … focusing on the job."' ( http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nice-truck-bastille-day-1.3680294 )
1503280;1468607056;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/15/suppose-we-have-an-exchange-that-due-to-resource-limitations-is-limited-to-5-decimal-places-for-orders-or-how-kraken-is-scamming-to-stay-solvent/#comment-48487 cheers.
1503281;1468607094;asciilifeform;lolk
1503282;1468607196;pete_dushenski;this daylight theft wrapped up as 'transparencee' caters directly to teh aspie crowd, the kind who fancies himself genre savvy without really being so. the victim of 'taught controversy', if you will.
1503283;1468607234;trinque;yup, it's about farming "consensus"
1503284;1468607255;trinque;or BingoBoingo's "the debate was had"
1503285;1468607300;pete_dushenski;http://pathology.wustl.edu/~corbolab/Corbo_publications/Kram_2010.pdf << in related hyperuniformity news
1503286;1468607371;pete_dushenski;trinque: exactly
1503287;1468607611;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503203 << coalition can use levant to blackmail taleb into making all swans white and, by extension, all blacks safe from harassment. ITS SUREFIRE!!1
1503288;1468607611;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 14:56 BingoBoingo: I'm not sure they *need* the Levant if they have France
1503289;1468607634;pete_dushenski;or 'no brainer' as is the fashion
1503290;1468607671;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-live-to-be-rich/#comment-118078 << speaking of the fashion, don't be too harsh u guise!! jeez why can't everyone just take a chill pill
1503291;1468607964;pete_dushenski;http://fox13now.com/2016/07/14/car-bomb-explosion-kills-one-in-southeast-nevada/ << in which nevada looks increasingly like baghdad after the fall.
1503292;1468608161;pete_dushenski;https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/14/nintendos-classic-mini-is-a-tiny-nes-with-30-games/ << whattheshitthisiscoolgimmegimmegimmeonenownownowiwantitrightfuckingnow. ok i can wait until nov 11 but for $60 how not ?
1503293;1468608323;asciilifeform;http://www.lccentral.com/2016/07/13/explosion-in-panaca << already censored.
1503294;1468608449;diana_coman;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503266 <- I *tried* to use a small wacom tablet & pen thing and it was quite atrocious really
1503295;1468608449;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 17:36 asciilifeform: if anybody reading this has used one of them gadgets, plz write in.
1503296;1468608490;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: "no car bombs, no evil, no bad things here! best republic of freedom and fries ever invented is weee"
1503297;1468608520;diana_coman;it *can* be used if one needs to in the sense that yes, one can get some job done with it, but otherwise control is rather poor, have to scroll/move hand awkwardly to cover all the screen, pen is not even very comfortable to use/grip (at least not for my hand) etc
1503298;1468608586;asciilifeform;diana_coman: what kind of bits were you moving ?
1503299;1468608601;diana_coman;this was however a tablet so not a display in itself
1503300;1468608636;diana_coman;asciilifeform, hm?
1503301;1468608653;asciilifeform;what sort of work
1503302;1468608674;danielpbarron;i have a broken toshiba portege m200 that had a decent pen/touchscreen thing, but that was with winbl0wz and I can't imagine it would be easy to get that working on a linux
1503303;1468608688;pete_dushenski;http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2016/07/mike-pences-economic-voting-record.html << trump
1503304;1468608694;pete_dushenski;*trump's running mate
1503305;1468608702;asciilifeform;http://gdb.rferl.org/00A4B9E5-4339-4FA0-BA7A-EFF79340731B_w974_n_s.jpg << occupied france.
1503306;1468608704;pete_dushenski;"mike pences"
1503307;1468608721;asciilifeform;Hände hoch!!!1111
1503308;1468608736;diana_coman;ah, I just played around a bit with it kind of tried all sorts from some basic drawing to handwriting (it was supposedly to be useful for some remote discussions kind of stuff) to mouse replacement
1503309;1468608758;diana_coman;at least this worked with linux, must add
1503310;1468608765;*;pete_dushenski has friends in france atm. figures that they haven't called from nth republican prison yet is a good sign.
1503311;1468608799;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it is possible to read the raw numbers from the pen, in linux, yes - even tilt angles. but afaik there is no proggy that usefully eats them.
1503312;1468608806;asciilifeform;you can move cursor, and that's ~it.
1503313;1468608874;shinohai;http://archive.is/MuKCl   <<< gearing up for next classic push
1503314;1468608895;diana_coman;asciilifeform, quite
1503315;1468608926;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i do, e.g., cad, and would like to be able to, say, rotate a part by pinning it with a pen, and turning the pen. but this does not, afaik, exist.
1503316;1468608932;asciilifeform;and i know of no particular reason why not.
1503317;1468608982;asciilifeform;shinohai: contingent of fresh shills? i did say, they will never run out
1503318;1468609083;asciilifeform;'Making non-mining full nodes “fork-tolerant” by decoupling them from the miners with respect to the prevailing block size limit. There is no need for ordinary node owners to upgrade as and when miners do, or accept a risky “flag day” event. Bitcoin Unlimited already has fork-tolerant nodes via BUIP001 where non-mining nodes always track the longest Proof-of-Work chain, and are agnostic to block version resizing flags.' << l0
1503319;1468609083;asciilifeform;l!!
1503320;1468609106;asciilifeform;'we won't anally roger you, but we will insert this painless road cone, in advance, and you will not even feel it when it is replaced with cock'
1503321;1468609156;asciilifeform;'Adoption of Xtreme Thinblocks (Xthin) such that all implementations have interoperable fast block propagation. Results from recent testing involving nodes both inside and outside Mainland China indicates that blocks up to 20MB are manageable for the network.' << 'crock of shit will collapse overnight if clients actually try to validate mega-blox, so forget about it'
1503322;1468609161;diana_coman;hm, as far as I know it should be able to pin the part/shape based on position+pressure and then I don't see indeed why wouldn't it be able to react to turning the pen - maybe it's a precision thing?
1503323;1468609169;asciilifeform;'validation is for distrustful terrorists'
1503324;1468609222;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it is a trivial technical problem, that will likely never be solved, because there is no open cad proggy worth a sparrow's fart.
1503325;1468609302;asciilifeform;likewise there is no open drawing proggy worth half a sparrow's fart
1503326;1468609342;asciilifeform;(anyone who brings up gimp immediately reveals himself as someone who never drew anything more complex than 'rageface')
1503327;1468609371;asciilifeform;even 'deluxe paint II' for amiga (!) beats the shit out of gimp.
1503328;1468609654;pete_dushenski;" SW in particular has a number of strong benefits but also alters fundamental code that underpins billions of dollars in value. For this reason we have sympathy with the proposal that it be implemented in Litecoin first. After a period of 6 to 12 months SW could then be applied to Bitcoin, incorporating any lessons learned." << why not experiment with eth ? dao ? c-ripple even ? digging up ltc corpse is
1503329;1468609654;pete_dushenski;like clinton digging up corpse of confucius in justifying centralised mega-bureaucracy
1503330;1468609711;shinohai;Because if we don't do it to Bitcoin, we lost the war and our upboats meant NOTHING!!!!
1503331;1468609746;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: recall that usg sits on top of egyptian pyramid - sized heap of fpga. why not, then, hijack an old, familiar scrypt-based altcoin, and proclaim 'see, YES WE CAN!111' etc
1503332;1468609754;asciilifeform;hence ltc.
1503333;1468609760;pete_dushenski;shinohai:  gotta love the '6-12 months' bit too. so vague, so comminuteee oriented, so 'when the feeling strikes'
1503334;1468609785;shinohai;^^
1503335;1468609819;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: is it clear to you that usg has edge with scrypt over chicoms ?
1503336;1468609859;*;diana_coman is not much into graphics but has heard more of Inkscape than Gimp 
1503337;1468609861;asciilifeform;ask the fella with the intel and s33333r111t evidence, not me
1503338;1468609883;asciilifeform;diana_coman: inkscape is almost usable
1503339;1468609892;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: mp didn't make egyptian fpga claim!!1
1503340;1468609931;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: xilinx and altera make $B+ of them / yr and they aren't going into tv sets etc.
1503341;1468609960;asciilifeform;usg is ~sole buyer, everybody else - rounding error.
1503342;1468609984;asciilifeform;i have nfi for what they are used, for all i know they glue them into a throne for hitler to sit in.
1503343;1468610010;pete_dushenski;hard to believe that brokeback usg is spending $bn on anything useful just to store in industrial warehouse until majick ltc day cometh
1503344;1468610017;asciilifeform;not stored, no
1503345;1468610018;asciilifeform;powered.
1503346;1468610026;pete_dushenski;lol!
1503347;1468610032;pete_dushenski;what, mining ltc then ?
1503348;1468610039;asciilifeform;after the demise of cray, the old machines were decommissioned, and replaced with ???
1503349;1468610064;asciilifeform;(we know that ??? eats plenty of mains current, and requires titanic coolers, just like the old crays; and likewise that it does not consist wholly of stock x86 boxes.)
1503350;1468610068;pete_dushenski;so pardon my ignorance but what were crays used for back when they were used ?
1503351;1468610077;asciilifeform;cryptoanalysis.
1503352;1468610151;pete_dushenski;i hesitate to ask what usg understands 'cryptoanalysis' to mean in practical terms because it's hard to fathom that it can either think or act on such terms, but...
1503353;1468610228;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the usg that promulgates diddled ciphers which are then breakable with array of fpga, and the usg that puts my mail into the box across the street, are not same entity.
1503354;1468610229;pete_dushenski;o hey xilinx has market cap of $12 bn aka 1/30th of facebook.
1503355;1468610260;pete_dushenski;looks like it's pretty obvious where their marketing efforts are going atm eh
1503356;1468610281;pete_dushenski;$s metansa
1503357;1468610282;a111;7 results for "metansa", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=metansa
1503358;1468610301;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i'm aware of this ancient thread. aha
1503359;1468610341;pete_dushenski;pretty much reduces to dan's 'invisible visible god' yknow
1503360;1468610407;trinque;that the thing is politically inept does not reduce to "never did anything ever"
1503361;1468610415;trinque;however politically expedient
1503362;1468610443;danielpbarron;Dan is not a nickname for Daniel. The former came way before the latter. Dan was a son of Jacob (Israel), Daniel was a prophet who came generations later
1503363;1468610496;pete_dushenski;trinque: 'never' and 'ever' are long timeframes, granted. but where do you draw the line ?
1503364;1468610593;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: well, dan isn't a nickname for daniel.... except it is. that different people are better known by one or the other doesn't change the fact that 'king dick the lionheart' is perfectly valid
1503365;1468610617;pete_dushenski;...if you're in the position to name things
1503366;1468610629;trinque;"usg" is not a cohesive whole
1503367;1468610638;*;danielpbarron goes by Daniel
1503368;1468610658;pete_dushenski;noted.
1503369;1468610665;trinque;the part which breaks cryptography for insider trading and such isn't necessarily the same which ham-handedly lights the middle east on fire
1503370;1468610702;trinque;one of the interesting parts of the coming disintegration of the federal govt is getting to see what gangs exist within
1503371;1468610746;pete_dushenski;to be sure, parts aren't the same because http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502227
1503372;1468610746;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 20:35 mircea_popescu: "oh i know, we've created a sort of monarchy without a king, basically just the court and nobody there to behead us - we'll call it democracy. if anyone inquires into the matter we can always add modern in front and it'll be all good!"
1503373;1468610767;trinque;aha
1503374;1468610809;pete_dushenski;but them not being the same and the possibility of one being effective are differing considerations
1503375;1468610836;pete_dushenski;they can both be different and useless. so why isn't this the case ?
1503376;1468610858;trinque;"sucks because usg" is blunt and useless analysis
1503377;1468610868;trinque;"usg" launched a saturn v once
1503378;1468610889;trinque;I criticize "USG" as a category; it barely defines anything
1503379;1468610892;pete_dushenski;blunt, yes. useless, far from it. it's a highly efficient heuristic
1503380;1468611008;trinque;yes, because this is how the allies beat the nazis, by parroting "nazis can't do anything anyway"
1503381;1468611095;trinque;these nazis certainly *can* break various forms of "SSL", to pick something at random
1503382;1468611188;pete_dushenski;which is why they want the internet to be 'safe' by using exactly that broken technology. sure. but this is like the hunter who only visits the zoo. can you still call him an effective hunter ?
1503383;1468611234;trinque;this is precisely mircea_popescu's and asciilifeform's conversation (yesterday?) about the definition of an army
1503384;1468611271;pete_dushenski;i can see it.
1503385;1468611289;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-14#1503077
1503386;1468611289;a111;Logged on 2016-07-14 21:15 mircea_popescu: armies win.
1503387;1468611310;trinque;so, while I loathe the creature, while it still sits there, it is *literally* still effective.
1503388;1468611317;pete_dushenski;right. and usg... doesn't win.
1503389;1468611323;trinque;...
1503390;1468611339;trinque;if wishes were.. or however the thing goes
1503391;1468611345;pete_dushenski;it wins self-made 'wars' as per http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/13/modernists-fixing-self-made-problems-since-1964-and-before/
1503392;1468611382;trinque;$s from:asciilifeform cribbed
1503393;1468611382;a111;19 results for "from:asciilifeform cribbed", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20cribbed
1503394;1468611394;trinque;there is no god in the sky handing out flags for bad form
1503395;1468611399;pete_dushenski;you can only say that usg is 'literally' effective if you degrade the definition of effective to the point where it's what petrocheese is to french brie
1503396;1468611439;pete_dushenski;ie. not the high watermark so much as a tenuously related shadow of the thing itself
1503397;1468611476;trinque;and yet it sits there, and you do not.
1503398;1468611544;pete_dushenski;and yet i sit here, and usg does not.
1503399;1468611550;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503273 << in principle you don't want logging for browser ; just to identify the owner. this is not so unlike the concept of root. otherwise - logins are mostly a "forum" ie, www-bbs item
1503400;1468611550;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 17:49 asciilifeform: long ago, i tried my hand at 'sane blogging engine' and barfed; simply can't stand wwwtronic idiocy, e.g,. 'logging in', 'browser state', https crapolade tower, css, etc.
1503401;1468611566;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and admin how ?
1503402;1468611577;asciilifeform;(enter new ps0ts, mod comments, etc)
1503403;1468611582;mircea_popescu;you also don't as a matter of principle need or want https. you might notice trilema redirects you to http
1503404;1468611596;mircea_popescu;as to css, whatevs. isn't actually needed.
1503405;1468611600;trinque;pete_dushenski: the world can not both be befouled by socialism and socialism be ineffective *at creating the products of socialism*
1503406;1468611614;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you need ONE magic login is what i mean, not infinity logins.
1503407;1468611627;asciilifeform;1 is not any easier than 1,001
1503408;1468611637;asciilifeform;it pulls in the whole shitstack
1503409;1468611665;mircea_popescu;not the way it works on mp-wp, not really.
1503410;1468611700;pete_dushenski;trinque: possibly. digesting. bbiab.
1503411;1468611705;asciilifeform;from my reading of the src, mp-wp does not materially differ from stock wp in this respect
1503412;1468611708;trinque;pete_dushenski: cheers
1503413;1468611730;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503282 << note that usg.crap is always "rape as marital bliss", "bankruptcy as wealth" etc etc.
1503414;1468611730;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 18:26 pete_dushenski: this daylight theft wrapped up as 'transparencee' caters directly to teh aspie crowd, the kind who fancies himself genre savvy without really being so. the victim of 'taught controversy', if you will.
1503415;1468611758;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it does - login is chiefly by-ip. even if the "cookies" nonsense has not been excised.
1503416;1468611769;asciilifeform;this does 0 against mitm.
1503417;1468611798;mircea_popescu;sure sure, let someone mitm your blog. dumbest use ever.
1503418;1468611820;asciilifeform;not any dumber than mitming my trb node.
1503419;1468611829;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503284 << yeah, also a large piece of the dumbsenal. "this shouldn't be discussed because it already was" "when and by whom ?" "don't ask so many questions"
1503420;1468611829;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 18:27 trinque: or BingoBoingo's "the debate was had"
1503421;1468612524;asciilifeform;speaking of which, i'd still like to know where bock got all of those pubkeys that aren't in sks.
1503422;1468612534;asciilifeform;(a coupla dozen unaccounted for)
1503423;1468612557;asciilifeform;and what, precisely, kept him from having exact superset of sks, for that matter, i got quite a few which he did not.
1503424;1468612614;asciilifeform;in all likelihood, the crock of shit was concocted with the aim of making us waste some cycles attempting to answer said q's.
1503425;1468614130;trinque;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/
1503426;1468614777;trinque;BingoBoingo: ^ maybe moar weather
1503427;1468615097;pete_dushenski;http://www.gizmag.com/tap-strap-wearable-bluetooth-keyboard/43337/ << speaking of styluses and alt-input devices, i give you this abomination.
1503428;1468615146;pete_dushenski;trinque: gotta love 'illegal attempt' to seize power. well ya, no shit. what fucking legal attempts to seize power could there possibly be ?
1503429;1468615167;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: snore, for same reason as the laser keyboard of 10 yrs ago
1503430;1468615170;asciilifeform;or the touch screen idiocy
1503431;1468615197;pete_dushenski;or palm pilot 'script' twenty years ago
1503432;1468615200;asciilifeform;without a mechanical dampener, it is same as banging against the wall.
1503433;1468615215;asciilifeform;folks with a propensity for this, used to be put in padded cell
1503434;1468615220;asciilifeform;so they do not damage themselves.
1503435;1468615227;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: palm pilot script was useful.
1503436;1468615261;asciilifeform;it was a reasonable simulacrum of handwriting, for short inputs, rather than a futile banging of your fingers against unresponsive surface
1503437;1468615263;phf;pete_dushenski: compared to shit that came out since palm pilot script was amazing
1503438;1468615267;asciilifeform;^
1503439;1468615279;pete_dushenski;aha. i had one as a kid. it was very spiffy toy.
1503440;1468615289;asciilifeform;i still miss the thing
1503441;1468615300;phf;it's funny how back then was like "well, this is not quite there, but i'm sure they'll work out kinks in the future"
1503442;1468615301;asciilifeform;and every so often toy with the idea of getting one and cleaning it up
1503443;1468615309;asciilifeform;phf: aha!
1503444;1468615347;phf;and now people buy newtons and apples on ebay because available personal organizers are awful
1503445;1468615354;asciilifeform;yes!
1503446;1468615358;phf;newtons and palms rather
1503447;1468615371;asciilifeform;but every time i look at newton, i recall why it died, thing fits in ~no pocket.
1503448;1468615395;pete_dushenski;same as iphone 6 'plus'
1503449;1468615400;pete_dushenski;or samsung 'note'
1503450;1468615407;pete_dushenski;meant for purse, not pocket
1503451;1468615430;asciilifeform;not even every purse.
1503452;1468615461;pete_dushenski;http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/palm_v.jpg << one i had. 'v' :P
1503453;1468615478;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i had several, ending with that one.
1503454;1468615489;asciilifeform;it even had rechargeable battery !
1503455;1468615505;phf;i couldn't afford pro level palm, had to use "visor"
1503456;1468615506;pete_dushenski;it was a bit too geek chic for artsy school but i enjoyed it.
1503457;1468615516;asciilifeform;the thing was nearly perfect for reading plain text.
1503458;1468615541;asciilifeform;was good for very little else, but the screen was amazing
1503459;1468615552;asciilifeform;pure b&w, with backlight, but quite readable without
1503460;1468615558;asciilifeform;try and find this today. at ANY price point.
1503461;1468615669;phf;i use a psion as an organizer, and i still can't get used to the fact that it looks ~good~ in direct sunlight. like it's some amazing novel technology
1503462;1468615670;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: have you tried sony 'digital paper' ?
1503463;1468615681;pete_dushenski;http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1179696-REG/sony_dpts1_digital_paper_system.html << it
1503464;1468615710;phf;pete_dushenski: we've had this in logs :> it runs some form of windows ce
1503465;1468615711;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: looks like 'kindle' but with SLIGHTLY higher res
1503466;1468615718;asciilifeform;why would i pay 700 for this??
1503467;1468615759;pete_dushenski;phf: aha! missed the 'ce' bit
1503468;1468615772;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: because 'any price point' includes 700
1503469;1468615779;asciilifeform;but NOT WHAT I ASKED FOR
1503470;1468615841;asciilifeform;i've been reading plain text off epaper for years now. but only because it is IMPOSSIBLE to get device with decent b&w reflective lcd.
1503471;1468615861;asciilifeform;i ~like~ lcd, and its crisp edges, epaper is fuzzy, like badly tuned old crt
1503472;1468615881;asciilifeform;and has no way to optionally backlight, as it is not transparent
1503473;1468615900;asciilifeform;(latest 'kindle' has a frontlight, but it is not same thing, but more like what old electronic wristwatches had)
1503474;1468615934;pete_dushenski;holy cromoly that's some lightning outside. this must be the rainiest summer in memory. every afternoon with the wet stuff!
1503475;1468615956;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ya, just saw that 'digital paper' isn't backlit
1503476;1468615974;asciilifeform;the other abominable thing about epaper is the refresh rate
1503477;1468615985;asciilifeform;it redraws, slowly, visibly to the naked eye
1503478;1468615991;asciilifeform;forget about, e.g., scrolling.
1503479;1468615999;pete_dushenski;like etch-a-sketch aha
1503480;1468616010;asciilifeform;and before anyone asks, yes i have the latest example made.
1503481;1468616023;asciilifeform;it is 5% faster, big fat fucking deal
1503482;1468616034;asciilifeform;not a replacement for lcd.
1503483;1468616103;asciilifeform;i can even tell you what is in store for epaper aficionados: the thing will be colourized, and the original b&w version will be taken off the market; just as with lcd; the colour version will be blurrier and less suitable for text, but WATCH LOLCATS YOU TERRORIST
1503484;1468616114;trinque;webbyz:
1503485;1468616117;trinque;ah rap
1503486;1468616119;trinque;*crap
1503487;1468616177;phf;i was really happy with the old keyboard kindle, it had free internet, and was just generally a very promising oldfag device. hardware keyboard, promising screen, ~lighter than any versions since~, had a bunch of linux hacks including a terminal. i ported a zork interpreter to it. and of course amazon doesn't care about oldfag market, so kindles went downhill fast since
1503488;1468616190;asciilifeform;phf: i still have that one ('dx')
1503489;1468616245;asciilifeform;and a more recent unit, with frontlight, which i gave to pet, i could not abide the lack of mechanical switches
1503490;1468616249;pete_dushenski;https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/one-striking-chart-shows-why-pharma-companies-are-fighting-legal-marijuana/ << in which we see that clitler hates big pharma, wants to bring back us agro via weed.
1503491;1468616277;phf;yeah, i have a dx too, i also have two or three small keyboard ones, but they break easily (i broke like 4 or 5) with they way i use them anyway, and since the kindle direction is clearly dodgy i just don't feel like doing anything with them
1503492;1468616349;asciilifeform;epaper is a disappointment, imho; there was some promising tech in 'static lcd' (which draws 0 current when holding image) while retaining the speed/crispness; but afaik it died.
1503493;1468616464;asciilifeform;a decade or so ago, there was an outfit ('pixel qi') that purported to sell sunlight-viewable displays, they were, iirc, well-received, but also died.
1503494;1468616490;asciilifeform;i guess modern konsooomer is expected to sit in a cave, like a mole, and not try to use machinery in the sun
1503495;1468616509;trinque;I researched those this week; pixel qi sold to an outfit that seems to be sitting on the patents
1503496;1468616526;*;pete_dushenski expects pokemon go to revolutionise sun limitations of screens
1503497;1468616533;trinque;http://www.tripuso.com/
1503498;1468616544;trinque;apparently still manufacturing
1503499;1468616547;phf;or just crank up the backlight burning through battery until next recharge
1503500;1468616590;asciilifeform;trinque: manufacturing for whom ?
1503501;1468616608;asciilifeform;trinque: where can anything containing 'pixel qi' be bought ?
1503502;1468616631;asciilifeform;i'ma guess it now services usg (e.g., 'general dynamics' army laptops) solely.
1503503;1468616703;trinque;I just called them actually, asking pricing and so on.
1503504;1468616712;trinque;that Tripuso bought Pixel Qi's tech
1503505;1468616718;trinque;got voicemail
1503506;1468616741;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise.
1503507;1468616865;asciilifeform;trinque: even if you could buy the panel (they do appear on, e.g., ebay, regularly) -- where do you intend to put it ?
1503508;1468616908;asciilifeform;thing doesn't take anything like a vga or dvi input.
1503509;1468616955;asciilifeform;you could try to locate one of the laptops they worked with (qi was sold as an after-market add-on thing) but they weren't much to write home about.
1503510;1468616967;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2015/11/clinton-found-a-turkey/#comment-64209 << aha.
1503511;1468616997;pete_dushenski;https://bitbet.us/bet/1230/turkey-land-area-to-shrink-in-2016/ << also.
1503512;1468617082;trinque;asciilifeform: I've seen them wired up to controller boards that speak vga/hdmi around the net
1503513;1468617111;asciilifeform;trinque: have fun carrying board and desktop around...
1503514;1468617162;asciilifeform;my point was that the thing will fit in no recent portable gadget.
1503515;1468617184;asciilifeform;and this is not a problem with qi specifically, but with konsoomer crapolade in general.
1503516;1468617194;trinque;asciilifeform: https://www.adafruit.com/product/1303 << this isn't that big.
1503517;1468617202;asciilifeform;no 2 'tablets' , afaik, have interchangeable lcd.
1503518;1468617219;asciilifeform;trinque: bigger than a palm V !!
1503519;1468617224;asciilifeform;and betcha it wants 12v
1503520;1468617231;asciilifeform;where will you get it ?
1503521;1468617378;asciilifeform;pretty much all amateur attempts at portable computer are comically clunky.
1503522;1468617382;asciilifeform;i know of 0 exceptions.
1503523;1468617386;trinque;I'm not launching a product here, lol
1503524;1468617425;trinque;looks like a neat toy
1503525;1468617428;asciilifeform;even as a one-of-a-kind handmade thing
1503526;1468617437;asciilifeform;nobody, afaik, has done anything of the kind.
1503527;1468617476;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o8MDCIlOEk << obligatory.
1503528;1468617631;asciilifeform;anyway, exotic lcd aside, i would HAPPILY buy a device with newton's lcd but modern (lightweight) micro inside.
1503529;1468617637;asciilifeform;but no such thing exists or is ever likely to.
1503530;1468617667;pete_dushenski;https://bugcrowd.com/fca << megal0lotron. if anyone thought apocalyptic's work offers were insulting low, they haven't seen fiat chrysler's yet.
1503531;1468617678;asciilifeform;because lolcats dun look so hot on a 480x320 lcd.
1503532;1468618464;phf;hehe, that teardown is amusing
1503533;1468619130;shinohai;I found a bug, car is pos made in America. Send bounty plox.
1503534;1468619431;pete_dushenski;lol toyota camry is 'made in america' and isn't fit for the poubelle. NICE TRY.
1503535;1468619522;pete_dushenski;a whole host of mercs ~are~ made in us of a, however, and yes, are little more than very expensive and equally disposable smartph0nes
1503536;1468619560;pete_dushenski;bmws idem.
1503537;1468619726;shinohai;The lolz, "Germany has denied Erdogan permission to land his plane."
1503538;1468619857;pete_dushenski;long gone are the days of von moltke and the close ties between prussia and the ottomans eh
1503539;1468619876;shinohai;So it appears,
1503540;1468619881;shinohai;lol
1503541;1468619994;pete_dushenski;(helmuth von moltke 'westernised' the ottoman army in the 1830s)
1503542;1468620191;shinohai;Well army has declared coup, so let's see how well this little drama plays out.
1503543;1468620209;shinohai;Erogdan "I'm still in charge folks, I can tweet!"
1503544;1468620216;pete_dushenski;apparently that little rain storm was worse than i thought... chunks of the city are w/o power... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/roads-flooding-in-edmonton-after-epic-thunderstorm-1.3681796 << "epic!"
1503545;1468620357;pete_dushenski;https://twitter.com/KentMGlobal/status/753996788638494720 << in other local news, you might not be interested in isis tactics, but isis tactics are interested in you.
1503546;1468620385;pete_dushenski;s/isis/buddhist monk worx too
1503547;1468621118;shinohai;http://archive.is/GgzK6   <<< dao 2.0 I guess will be engineered by *surprise!* a startup
1503548;1468621756;trinque;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cnb6CbtXEAItLeI.jpg << ah how hilariously humiliating.
1503549;1468621884;phf;trinque: where's that from?
1503550;1468621920;asciilifeform;clearly tr deeesperately wants into eu!1111
1503551;1468621969;trinque;phf: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/15/turkey-coup-attempt-military-gunfire-ankara
1503552;1468622029;asciilifeform;phf: in the logz already
1503553;1468622086;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503293 << yeah waht was there ?
1503554;1468622086;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 18:45 asciilifeform: http://www.lccentral.com/2016/07/13/explosion-in-panaca << already censored.
1503555;1468622134;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all i could find is 'sheriff concludes that only bomber died' and 'attempted revenge on boss'
1503556;1468622135;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503313 << lulzy bs.
1503557;1468622135;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 18:54 shinohai: http://archive.is/MuKCl   <<< gearing up for next classic push
1503558;1468622144;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is "andrew clifford" again ?
1503559;1468622170;asciilifeform;they called up the tardreservez?
1503560;1468622185;shinohai;Obviously he is someone that thinks "open letters" to the "komoooonuity" will work.
1503561;1468622191;mircea_popescu;oh this is hysterical lmao.
1503562;1468622258;mircea_popescu;bitco.in › ... › Bitcoin Protocol › Bitcoin Unlimited 11 ian. 2016 - BUIP011: Andrew Clifford for President Submitted 12/01/2016 I think that a lot of people will know my posts from bitcointalk, reddit, and now the
1503563;1468622266;mircea_popescu;meanwhile beleeted, but you can imagine.
1503564;1468622345;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno if you recall buterin's humble beginnings as a "bitcoin magazine" gofer ?
1503565;1468622372;asciilifeform;nope
1503566;1468622372;mircea_popescu;back when the circle of derps thought they not only have some power in bitcoin, but outright control it ? 2011ish or so ?
1503567;1468622380;mircea_popescu;ah, lotta lulz buried in there.
1503568;1468622387;asciilifeform;but i'd be the last to know
1503569;1468622400;mircea_popescu;anyway. he started exactly like this other schmuck.
1503570;1468622432;asciilifeform;not having a staff of latrine divers, nor esp. inclined myself, i tend to be a little behind on such tidbits
1503571;1468622507;asciilifeform;but yes, every servant of evil has some rock he once crawled out under from
1503572;1468622519;mircea_popescu;makes sense.
1503573;1468622609;asciilifeform;i suppose old muppet tore, new one is being readied.
1503574;1468622651;mircea_popescu;anyway. /me vaguely considers leaving the derp a "stop posturing ; read the required material", but whatevs.
1503575;1468622868;mircea_popescu; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503327 << just because you have wild, entirely unsuported in practice expectations of a gui, and just because you don't know how to / want to script it, doesn't mean the tool doesn't work.
1503576;1468622868;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 19:02 asciilifeform: even 'deluxe paint II' for amiga (!) beats the shit out of gimp.
1503577;1468622876;mircea_popescu;it WILL take scheme. stop whining.
1503578;1468622964;asciilifeform;'want a glass of beer..? here's a pile of hydrogen, go, fuse'
1503579;1468622970;mircea_popescu; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503331 << this is a nice theory, but afaik it was exactly never verified in practice. it's altogether improbable the excel secret agents are actually capable of managing the farm / applying it to any definite purpose.
1503580;1468622970;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 19:09 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: recall that usg sits on top of egyptian pyramid - sized heap of fpga. why not, then, hijack an old, familiar scrypt-based altcoin, and proclaim 'see, YES WE CAN!111' etc
1503581;1468622980;mircea_popescu;so yes, sits on top of pile ; much like a dog on pile of bricks.
1503582;1468622985;mircea_popescu;it ain't building any dams anytime soon.
1503583;1468623000;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ya well.
1503584;1468623021;mircea_popescu;i tell you, when i wanted specific effect i wrote it out, works fine to this day.
1503585;1468623024;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most likely, pile sits around busting aes.
1503586;1468623031;mircea_popescu;busting my foot.
1503587;1468623053;asciilifeform;hey that's what it was built for.
1503588;1468623068;asciilifeform;like des prior.
1503589;1468623069;mircea_popescu;and littoral combat ship was built for being fast agile stealth.
1503590;1468623080;mircea_popescu;it manages instead to be lulzy.
1503591;1468623136;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503351 << more like glorified word processingf for navy cocksockets.
1503592;1468623136;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 19:14 asciilifeform: cryptoanalysis.
1503593;1468623194;mats;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503530 << paying anything close to a reasonable sum for a bug would be devastatingly uneconomical for most software shops
1503594;1468623194;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 21:21 pete_dushenski: https://bugcrowd.com/fca << megal0lotron. if anyone thought apocalyptic's work offers were insulting low, they haven't seen fiat chrysler's yet.
1503595;1468623230;mats;its really for folks looking to pad their resume
1503596;1468623241;*;mircea_popescu recalls the defective lock analogy.
1503597;1468623280;asciilifeform;and if yet not aryan enough, they'll simply swallow the goodz and pay 0
1503598;1468623304;asciilifeform;*you're
1503599;1468623334;mats;speaking from experience?
1503600;1468623343;asciilifeform;(or,more often, tell you to piss off)
1503601;1468623358;asciilifeform;mats: possibly
1503602;1468623413;asciilifeform;and on top of this, nobody knows what 'market price' of bug is
1503603;1468623479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503378 << this is an emerging problem. yet recall http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-07#1498863
1503604;1468623479;a111;Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
1503605;1468623479;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 19:28 trinque: I criticize "USG" as a category; it barely defines anything
1503606;1468623530;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform his observation is well grounded though. the maximum that can be extracted from victim is necessarily below the total damage the bug inflicts. which is why it's always better to sell to enemy of victim. which is why market is complex.
1503607;1468623552;asciilifeform;aha!
1503608;1468623590;mircea_popescu;"how much would you pay me for information that prevents destruction of $1mn worth of materiel ?" us army : "3% of total damage as evaluated by us" ru army, in general "150% of maximal damage" and on the day before invasion, up to 1mn% of same.
1503609;1468623602;mircea_popescu;time sensitive, context sensitive, for which reasons very much not a market.
1503610;1468623605;mircea_popescu;anti-integrable.
1503611;1468623630;asciilifeform;not to mention that 'save you from doom' entails uncertainty and ergo lemon market, whereas 'pay me to kill x' is immediately evaluatable
1503612;1468623682;mircea_popescu;anyway - i wonder at what point of turning the vice around its ballsac, usg finally relents, admits that it is way the fuck cheaper and therefore better to be friends with the smart people, throws idiots to the dogs. so we get license to capture humanities majors from horseback on campus, and they get the default immunity they like to pretend they currently have.
1503613;1468623697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. quite. different path to same problem.
1503614;1468623813;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun see that capitulation as a possibility.
1503615;1468623832;mircea_popescu;everything is a possibility that wasn't visible as one. the only things that never happen are the perceived alternatives.
1503616;1468623852;mircea_popescu;which is why in highschool interest tv dramas, the 2nd choice never gets laid. it's either the main or the dark horse.
1503617;1468623876;asciilifeform;the whole statist orchestra depends on plugging whatever possible exits, at all cost
1503618;1468623884;mircea_popescu;not really, no.
1503619;1468623892;trinque;and scientology couldn't possibly infiltrate and seize tax exempt status.
1503620;1468623894;mircea_popescu;can just as well exist as "fascist" version of socialism.
1503621;1468623907;trinque;the "government" isn't a thing independent of the people in it, which should be obvious
1503622;1468623914;trinque;but seems to always be considered as leviathan
1503623;1468623949;trinque;and trump couldn't possibly "republican" and so on
1503624;1468623949;mircea_popescu;and as its survival is actually its only paramount value (recall george costanza in the fire scene ? "without leaders we'd all be lost! i had to survive" - life as supreme value perversely translates to, perpetuation of socialism state at expense of all life), it WILL at some point spontaneously recrystalize from "modern democracy" socialism to national socialism.
1503625;1468623964;mircea_popescu;not a question of if, even. a question of how much stress required before it pops.
1503626;1468624016;mircea_popescu;and similarly re concentration camps. whenever you have socialism in power, you eventually DO get the camps. this isn't open to discussion.
1503627;1468624091;asciilifeform;y'know, warehousing folks prior to gassing is optional
1503628;1468624099;asciilifeform;can gas in real time.
1503629;1468624107;mircea_popescu;yes, but the camps are a different thing.
1503630;1468624141;mircea_popescu;i wish to buy caged "modern feminist" by the pound. eventually, usg WILL sell this product to me.
1503631;1468624204;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnfbhdELQLA << modern democracy socialism (bald, with glasses) reaches recrystalization point, becomes national socialsm spontaneously.
1503632;1468624263;asciilifeform;lel, by pound? mircea_popescu has some hungry pirannhas or wat.
1503633;1468624301;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe compost, maybe the lu zhi treatment...
1503634;1468624321;asciilifeform;'human pig' ?
1503635;1468624340;mircea_popescu;$google concubine qi
1503636;1468624341;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consort_Qi << Consort Qi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-demonization-of-empress-wu-20743091/ << The Demonization of Empress Wu | History | Smithsonian | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_L%C3%BC_Zhi << Empress Lü Zhi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1503637;1468624361;asciilifeform;aha - human pig
1503638;1468624368;mircea_popescu;aha.
1503639;1468624438;mircea_popescu;gotta spend the bitcoin wealth on something. the worthy is always a good choice.
1503640;1468624545;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503421 << they omitted publishing this. or, if memory serves, the actual factors ?
1503641;1468624545;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 19:55 asciilifeform: speaking of which, i'd still like to know where bock got all of those pubkeys that aren't in sks.
1503642;1468624586;mircea_popescu;occam proposes "they were just made up". wanted to make his list look "complete" thus it had to be longer ; failed to realise phuctor is AN ACTUAL THING rather than the drawing of a thing, and so will find some more still.
1503643;1468624616;mircea_popescu;so moved on to phase 2 of the usg.asset cycle, where he's now dormant and periodically fed contribution vomit.
1503644;1468624716;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503425 <<-->> http://qntra.net/2015/11/clinton-found-a-turkey/
1503645;1468624716;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 20:22 trinque: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/
1503646;1468624848;phf;"Google deletes artist’s blog, a decade of his work (fusion.net)"
1503647;1468624919;phf;"Why Did American Cats Get Blamed for So Many Divorces? (atlasobscura.com)"
1503648;1468625079;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503451 << meant for well used snatch!
1503649;1468625079;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 20:43 asciilifeform: not even every purse.
1503650;1468625123;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503461 << i use a number of persons. works way the fuck better than any electronic gizmo ever invented.
1503651;1468625123;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 20:47 phf: i use a psion as an organizer, and i still can't get used to the fact that it looks ~good~ in direct sunlight. like it's some amazing novel technology
1503652;1468625160;mircea_popescu;i can't imagine why the fuck anyone would use the toy shits. if your affairs CAN be organized by the machine, you don't have affairs complex enough to require outside help. stop wasting your time with the thing and work teh noggin.
1503653;1468625275;phf;i have hard time keeping track of when i have various appointments, so i use an external "agenda" app. i'd be as well served by a paper calendar
1503654;1468625317;mircea_popescu;or else by a hardcore "if i can't remember you, we have no meeting"
1503655;1468625329;mircea_popescu;"wear a funny hat next time"
1503656;1468625411;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess it's funny to the outside observer, but here's me doing a complete reversal re the book discussion. there really isn't any way to make the 2cm thick, a6 agenda fit in silicon.
1503657;1468625414;mircea_popescu;that thing is a thing.
1503658;1468625472;mircea_popescu;if you're young / poor / just starting out, you need the paper thing. if you're large enough, the next step is, assistant(s). there's just no way little pocket beeper figures in this line that my mind groks.
1503659;1468625620;mircea_popescu;about the only argument would be "well, that stuff is dangerous, and electronic version can have a proper unbreakable lock put on it". this'd weigh a lot more if YOU COULD ACTUALLY GET CRYPTO ONES!
1503660;1468625713;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503490 << we see no such thing. she's (by which we mean, the system people that manhandled her into running for them) entirely desperate, going to lose spectacularly in november, willing to try literally everything. if i could show her 1mn trump votes in half dozen states, she'd write numbers on her tits for us here.
1503661;1468625713;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 20:57 pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/one-striking-chart-shows-why-pharma-companies-are-fighting-legal-marijuana/ << in which we see that clitler hates big pharma, wants to bring back us agro via weed.
1503662;1468625802;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503502 << seems like a safe bet yeah.
1503663;1468625802;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 21:03 asciilifeform: i'ma guess it now services usg (e.g., 'general dynamics' army laptops) solely.
1503664;1468625869;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503511 << heh, interesting bet turns out.
1503665;1468625869;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 21:09 pete_dushenski: https://bitbet.us/bet/1230/turkey-land-area-to-shrink-in-2016/ << also.
1503666;1468625884;phf;mircea_popescu: but psion has a handy busy view http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/psion/busyview/busyview1.jpg :)
1503667;1468625913;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1503668;1468625963;mircea_popescu;i'm not saying its a bad thing-that-it-is. just... you know the item i'm talking about ?
1503669;1468625973;mircea_popescu;you gotta, it was in ru in the 90s just as well as in ro and so on.
1503670;1468626001;phf;is it one of those with the "leather" outside and the rings?
1503671;1468626011;mircea_popescu;rings - optional. leather, mandatory.
1503672;1468626050;mircea_popescu;a-page-a-day sort of items ; you can take all sorts of not-readily-verbalizable notes in there. it's essentially the year's doodle collection, i have no idea how you'd alphabetize that.
1503673;1468626059;phf;yeah, those were actually handy. i used to keep agenda in a "moleskine" year planner, but those get ratty 6 months in
1503674;1468626075;*;mircea_popescu has had to arbiter more disputes that entirely hinged on a quickly scrawled set of three lines with dots on them than he cares to remember.
1503675;1468626167;mircea_popescu;thanks fucking god gpg doesn't clearsign such nonsense.
1503676;1468626246;phf;this position is at odds with your "no notes unless i can grep through them" somewhere in the logs. i don't know if i would necessarily care to grep through an agenda, but i somehow have more useful notes on paper, than i have on machine, despite trying very hard to computerize
1503677;1468626390;mircea_popescu;it's a separation of jobs thing. i fail to mentally divorce the point of "organizer" from entirely unverbalized, doodlery. getting an "organizer" is not, to my mind, unlike getting a cock holder made out of lego bricks.
1503678;1468626401;mircea_popescu;dude... wet, soft, fleshy things go in there. lego bricks are for something else.
1503679;1468626432;mircea_popescu;granted this may just as well be me being patently insane.
1503680;1468626444;mircea_popescu;one should not try to wear another's insanity.
1503681;1468626473;mircea_popescu;and in unrelated news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ba-17-5.jpg
1503682;1468626481;phf;fwiw it's not any more insane than carrying a psion 5mx around
1503683;1468626533;mircea_popescu;phf there's a very substantial difference between THESE notes, ie, business planning and whatever they are, daily minutia ; and the notes there contemplated, which are subject of science, and entirely useless if not verbalized.
1503684;1468626574;mircea_popescu;you may call both notes, but they're entirely unrelated items. i want excellent records of any experiment i ever run ; but not of any flirting.
1503685;1468626656;phf;hmm
1503686;1468626690;mircea_popescu;not that i'd ever or have ever typed on anything but a proper fucking desktop keyboard. even the laptop is annoying to me because off spacing.
1503687;1468626988;phf;it also ties into your point that one must keep a blog
1503688;1468627006;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503538 << long gone are the days of germany being any sort of Preußen.
1503689;1468627006;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 21:57 pete_dushenski: long gone are the days of von moltke and the close ties between prussia and the ottomans eh
1503690;1468627029;phf;sometimes i feel, or rather i know, that i "learned" all these time saving techniques before i had time to save, and now i must unlearn them, because they ended up wasting a lot of time
1503691;1468627040;mircea_popescu;today it's more a sort of metastasized south tirol / bulgaria. whatever-her-name german chick fine representative of the eastern values and mentalities prevalent.
1503692;1468627054;mircea_popescu;phf i would expect this is a fair assessment.
1503693;1468627080;mircea_popescu;nothing's overdone by "civilised" folk more than "preparing" youth for "life". it does get nuts in spots.
1503694;1468627287;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503543 << note that assad survived in a much smaller country with a much weaker record. erdogan literally MADE turkey. it's hard to explain to outsiders, but let's just say under his rule turkey changed from being ~pennsylvania to ~texas.
1503695;1468627287;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 22:03 shinohai: Erogdan "I'm still in charge folks, I can tweet!"
1503696;1468627373;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503547 << o look, official mouthpiece now talking of "the dao's demise" ? aww, they seem to have forgotten some parts. again.
1503697;1468627373;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 22:18 shinohai: http://archive.is/GgzK6   <<< dao 2.0 I guess will be engineered by *surprise!* a startup
1503698;1468627390;mircea_popescu;what, this "demise" "just happened" ?
1503699;1468627683;lobbes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503490 << indeed. the whole "pledge to de-schedule" thing is meaningless, as well. Even if happened, it would have ~0 effect on the legal status of the stuff.
1503700;1468627683;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 20:57 pete_dushenski: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/one-striking-chart-shows-why-pharma-companies-are-fighting-legal-marijuana/ << in which we see that clitler hates big pharma, wants to bring back us agro via weed.
1503701;1468627696;lobbes;oops wrong link
1503702;1468627717;lobbes;same thread. close enough
1503703;1468627866;shinohai;Steem took a nosedive since news of hackz, down -14.96 %
1503704;1468627893;shinohai;Buttrex is having a field day no doubt.
1503705;1468627935;mircea_popescu;which is that one ?
1503706;1468627962;shinohai;Steem is the "get paid to reddit" coin
1503707;1468627967;mircea_popescu;ah ok
1503708;1468627987;mircea_popescu;what happened to the previous incarnation of this scam - perpetuated by conde nast itself ?
1503709;1468627989;mircea_popescu;"reddit notes" ?
1503710;1468628020;*;shinohai imagines Ryan X Charles going nuclear because idea stolen
1503711;1468628033;mircea_popescu;don't tell me it "Changed the world" for a few seasons only to quietly and permanently go away
1503712;1468628047;mircea_popescu;just like colored coins, ripple, ethereum, etcetereum
1503713;1468628152;mircea_popescu;lobbes the hipsters are supposed to go "well she's trying so nobody should criticize zer"
1503714;1468628157;shinohai;But steem is different! What people say has value! Something, blockchains.
1503715;1468628170;mircea_popescu;incidentally, is clinton female ?
1503716;1468628615;mircea_popescu;"The Solution To No Problems Back in 2011, when I ran AnonNews.org, I had to cope with frequent DDoS attacks - not all that surprising, given that it was a very popular news site and community for Anonymous, which was seeing the peak of its media coverage at the time. In 2011, however, it was pretty much impossible to get working DDoS mitigation for less than $100 a month, and that was simply not a budget I had to spend on it
1503717;1468628616;mircea_popescu;."
1503718;1468628620;*;mircea_popescu completely loses interest. 
1503719;1468628637;mircea_popescu;seriously, $100 is not "a budget". don't be poor.
1503720;1468629926;mats;brutal
1503721;1468630055;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503716   <<< heh I read this, guy goes from bashing ClodFlare to recommending LetEncrypt in record time.
1503722;1468630055;a111;Logged on 2016-07-16 00:23 mircea_popescu: "The Solution To No Problems Back in 2011, when I ran AnonNews.org, I had to cope with frequent DDoS attacks - not all that surprising, given that it was a very popular news site and community for Anonymous, which was seeing the peak of its media coverage at the time. In 2011, however, it was pretty much impossible to get working DDoS mitigation for less than $100 a month, and that was simply not a budget I had to spend on it
1503723;1468630751;mircea_popescu;not that cloudflare is anything but ridoinculous steaming shitpile.
1503724;1468630784;shinohai;Hence my intentional misspelling of cloud to clod
1503725;1468630825;mircea_popescu;lol
1503726;1468630831;mircea_popescu;i missed that.
1503727;1468631475;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform & other interested parties : turkish usg nonsense firmly quashed, screenshot "mainstream" news sites if you wanna lulz art them later.
1503728;1468631483;mircea_popescu;will be deleting the "news reports" no doubt in the coming hours.
1503729;1468632033;phf;well, clinton was first "black" present, clitler is going to be first "female" president
1503730;1468632819;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNH0bmYT7os << sexist air conditioning
1503731;1468632925;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwut
1503732;1468632929;asciilifeform;which nonsense
1503733;1468632930;asciilifeform;which news
1503734;1468633144;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503640 << published factors, but not where the fuck he got the pubkeys
1503735;1468633144;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 23:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503421 << they omitted publishing this. or, if memory serves, the actual factors ?
1503736;1468633145;asciilifeform;claimed sks.
1503737;1468633172;asciilifeform;but only posted the moduli, and none of the other data
1503738;1468633216;phf;it just needs to look sufficiently authoritative and complicated so reader is both reassured and doesn't want to perform due diligence
1503739;1468633337;asciilifeform;thing wasn't even pushed that hard.
1503740;1468633376;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503681 << i went with ben_vulpes and chetty and fed these parrots.
1503741;1468633376;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 23:47 mircea_popescu: and in unrelated news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/ba-17-5.jpg
1503742;1468633396;asciilifeform;i still have nfi which, precisely, parrot, these are.
1503743;1468633476;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503652 << i use, for the most part, my head. but my schedule is not very complicated.
1503744;1468633476;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 23:26 mircea_popescu: i can't imagine why the fuck anyone would use the toy shits. if your affairs CAN be organized by the machine, you don't have affairs complex enough to require outside help. stop wasting your time with the thing and work teh noggin.
1503745;1468633493;asciilifeform;my interest in '90s pocket gadgets has nothing to do with calendars.
1503746;1468633515;asciilifeform;and everything to do with reading b00kz
1503747;1468633555;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503686 << early '90s laptops had almost-civilized keyboards
1503748;1468633555;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 23:51 mircea_popescu: not that i'd ever or have ever typed on anything but a proper fucking desktop keyboard. even the laptop is annoying to me because off spacing.
1503749;1468633559;asciilifeform;at least geometrically speaking.
1503750;1468633604;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform turkish "coup"
1503751;1468633608;phf;i particularly dig ibm's butterfly  keyboard
1503752;1468633626;asciilifeform;phf: shame it only came with 486
1503753;1468633635;mircea_popescu;phf has it really.
1503754;1468633643;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what, hoax ?
1503755;1468633691;mircea_popescu;hanno boeck ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) definitely hoax. turkish "coup", not hoax - major usg.dos success. as far as those go these days.
1503756;1468633702;phf;enough for doom and serial terminal :)
1503757;1468633709;mircea_popescu;call it "we got rid of assad" v2.0 with block chain technologies.
1503758;1468633734;asciilifeform;latest word is, they blew up tr parliament ?
1503759;1468633736;asciilifeform;or sumthing.
1503760;1468633740;mircea_popescu;heh nah.
1503761;1468633749;mircea_popescu;last word is, turkey kinda collectively shrugged.
1503762;1468633776;mircea_popescu;anglo derps keep pushing their usual "the embattled president" and "the military/{insert collective nouns}" etc.
1503763;1468633906;asciilifeform;why would usg wish to dethrone erdogan ? did he threaten to leave nato, or wat
1503764;1468633959;mircea_popescu;he made peace with putin ~3 days ago.
1503765;1468633975;*;asciilifeform slept through this.
1503766;1468633976;mircea_popescu;this is what hillary & friends at state perceived as their "nuclear option".
1503767;1468633981;mircea_popescu;it's ridoinculously fizzlefull.
1503768;1468634143;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform had an agreement over closing nato out of black sea sometime tues.
1503769;1468634177;asciilifeform;l0l! incl ro ?
1503770;1468634186;mircea_popescu;quite possibly.
1503771;1468634231;mircea_popescu;constanta is no match for ru ports ; and turkey holds the straits. strategically the position of nato in black sea is much worse than its generally tenuous standing on land in europe.
1503772;1468634301;mircea_popescu;anyway. romania will probably swing. ~nobody that i heard from likes the westerners anymoar.
1503773;1468634345;mircea_popescu;https://nastase.wordpress.com/2016/07/13/receptie-de-ramas-bun-la-ambasada-rusiei/ << ex pm. retirement of ru ambassador party.
1503774;1468634575;asciilifeform;lel, who's the old fella in mircea_popescu's avatar pic
1503775;1468634605;asciilifeform;or is this some other mircea_popescu
1503776;1468634616;asciilifeform;'not shakespeare, but man of the same name!' (tm) (r)
1503777;1468634708;phf;hah https://mipopescu.wordpress.com/
1503778;1468635017;mats; hue
1503779;1468635178;mircea_popescu;random dude.
1503780;1468635204;mircea_popescu;it ~is~ a pretty common name, after all.
1503781;1468635556;mircea_popescu;http://www.sfatulbatranilor.ro/archive/index.php/t-5200.html << for the lulz-inclined.
1503782;1468635563;mircea_popescu;basically, old people being active on the internets.
1503783;1468635590;mircea_popescu;count the aol.com s, the yahoo.com s and be amazed.
1503784;1468635641;mircea_popescu; <<
1503785;1468635672;mircea_popescu;Cepaliga@CkickNet.ro << that, for instance, is misspelled (clicknet.ro). leaving aside the FUCKING CAPITALIZATION - someone typed that shit by hand. off, no doubt, paper.
1503786;1468635877;phf;perhaps from their a6 agenda
1503787;1468635894;mircea_popescu;aceste cuvinte care ne doare.
1503788;1468635916;phf;hehe
1503789;1468635971;mircea_popescu;(romanian version of canard enchaine, immensely popular in the 90s, so much so that everyone who was anyone read each and every edition, had a permanent column by that name, approx "these words which do hurt us" in broken romanian.)
1503790;1468635994;mircea_popescu;did ru space have something like this ?
1503791;1468636167;phf;in a sense that it's a catch phrase from media that everyone is familiar with, yes, but i'm blanking on print media, i was not sufficiently someone back then
1503792;1468636190;asciilifeform;my archaeological work turned up no such thing.
1503793;1468636269;phf;i feel like that's more of a su thing, 90s in russia were handheld camera times, so it was more likely someone will start own tv station or try and get a spot on a fringe one like 2x2
1503794;1468636298;mircea_popescu;heh. this was an epic newspaper. perhaps the only actually good newspaper i ever personally witnessed. live, functional, the genuine article.
1503795;1468636306;mircea_popescu;lemme fish out perhaps their glory moment
1503796;1468636352;mircea_popescu;omfg.
1503797;1468636353;phf;only thing that comes to mind is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_eXile, i still have a couple of print editions on shelves somewhere
1503798;1468636356;mircea_popescu;all image hits ARE FROM TRILEMA
1503799;1468636358;mircea_popescu;god help us.
1503800;1468636366;mircea_popescu;what is even the fucking point jesus
1503801;1468636491;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/indescriptibila-academie-catafailencu/#comment-53513 << ran "O sarma sa taiem ; foame-i lu bitu' Ion" ie, let's cut a sarmali (trad ro dish for various events), uncle Ion [iliescu, the ducks from trucks president] is hungry. it is entirely homophonous with "aux armes citoyens, formez vos bataillons". the thing was for 14th of july.
1503802;1468636502;mircea_popescu;people were laughing on the street. i still recall the day.
1503803;1468636637;phf;cheeky
1503804;1468637323;BingoBoingo;"There are fewer Pokemon Go locations in black neighborhoods, but why? "
1503805;1468637758;BingoBoingo;Please archive.is Turkey lulz everybody!
1503806;1468637911;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO0g09LfbNQ
1503807;1468638357;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1503808;1468638360;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1503809;1468638361;gribble;Current Blocks: 420910 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 433 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1503810;1468638364;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 665.97, vol: 3199.79889177 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 652.51, vol: 3709.45646 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 667.63, vol: 9251.34602891 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 659.99, vol: 0.5 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 663.67048, vol: 22557.90880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 667.779, vol: 1085.95988498 | Volume-weighted last average: 663.847579096
1503811;1468650287;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i got some.
1503812;1468650363;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/0ceAu https://archive.is/DGTdd https://archive.is/CEecw
1503813;1468654153;felipelalli;guys, have you seen this? https://www.sec.gov/comments/sr-batsbzx-2016-30/batsbzx201630-2.htm
1503814;1468654167;felipelalli;this guy is from my city, unfortunately, what a shame.
1503815;1468654196;felipelalli;I'd love to see something about this on Qntra.net, WOT:nonperson hahah :D
1503816;1468655114;adlai;ask not what your qntra can read to you; ask what you can write for your qntra
1503817;1468659438;BingoBoingo;$b 1
1503818;1468674073;mircea_popescu;;;later tell felipelalli so a) write it and b) stop leaving, this is intended for permanent residence not hit-and-run actions.
1503819;1468674073;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1503820;1468674222;mircea_popescu;and in other wtf, anglos write naTion and noTion but nevertheless say naSHion and noSHion. because NOT ONLY do they have the romanian t, and s, which they don't bother to write down, but they also do the t, -> s, conversion like a buncha southern idiot plainsdwellers. romanian also spells nation and notion, but reads it like orcs one removed, natzion, notzion. fucking welchers do it like orcs twice removed, sh directly.
1503821;1468674300;shinohai;;;later tell felipelalli I will write something up, but will require a donation of 0.05 BTC to my "get off my ass on a weekend" fund.
1503822;1468674301;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1503823;1468674426;mircea_popescu;(similarly argentines don't read ll/y properly, but as sh instead. hence /saˈkate la moˈʧiʃa/ instead of the god given /saˈkate la moˈʧiʎa/.)
1503824;1468674656;mircea_popescu;and as phf can no doubt tell you, only orcs vocalize /ʎ/ as /ʃ/. and the worst kind, too.
1503825;1468677745;thestringpuller;$s steemit
1503826;1468677745;a111;2 results for "steemit", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=steemit
1503827;1468681561;mod6;mornin' o/
1503828;1468681605;asciilifeform;'morning mod6
1503829;1468681613;mod6;how goes?
1503830;1468681623;asciilifeform;waking up.
1503831;1468681639;mod6;ya me too
1503832;1468681846;mod6;random roll on trilema landed me ohttp://trilema.com/2013/do-you-know-who-knows-everything-about-power-bitcoin-people/
1503833;1468681855;mod6;bah
1503834;1468681858;mod6;http://trilema.com/2013/do-you-know-who-knows-everything-about-power-bitcoin-people/
1503835;1468681876;mod6;kinda weird reading stuff you wrote 3 years ago. :]
1503836;1468681965;mod6;by 'you', i mean me.
1503837;1468682628;mircea_popescu;wait, you wrote it ?
1503838;1468682664;mircea_popescu;ah teh convo. hehe
1503839;1468683668;deedbot;[Trilema] Cargo cults, a case study. - http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/
1503840;1468683716;mircea_popescu;$up oama
1503841;1468683716;deedbot;oama voiced for 30 minutes.
1503842;1468683725;oama;hola
1503843;1468683734;mircea_popescu;are you here for the http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ? :D
1503844;1468683742;mats;haro
1503845;1468683753;oama;lol, n-am mai citit trilema de-un car de ani așa că nu știu ce și cum
1503846;1468683772;mircea_popescu;english bish!
1503847;1468683797;oama;dadice?
1503848;1468683805;oama;ie canal internațional?
1503849;1468683813;mircea_popescu;aha.
1503850;1468683836;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503848
1503851;1468683836;a111;Logged on 2016-07-16 15:43 oama: ie canal internațional?
1503852;1468683849;oama;ugh
1503853;1468683893;mircea_popescu;they do speak english in thailand amirite
1503854;1468683973;oama;they speak thaiglish. which is like a totally different language
1503855;1468683990;mircea_popescu;you should hear pinoy chix engage in their version of english.
1503856;1468684099;oama;I wouldn't laugh! my english isn't the best out there so...
1503857;1468684105;oama;better than thaiglish though
1503858;1468684783;shinohai;Is that a genuine case made of *plastic* on that thing mircea_popescu ?
1503859;1468684819;shinohai;"COLOCAR MAS DE UN METRO DE OBJETOS COMBUSTIBLE"   <<< i kinda consider most plastic combustible
1503860;1468684856;mircea_popescu;it is, yes.
1503861;1468684898;mircea_popescu;cheap vinyl too.
1503862;1468684920;mircea_popescu;not like you couldn't have proper thermoplastics if you wanted to. the old item foot for instance is quite resistent to heat.
1503863;1468684980;shinohai;Ihave seen a few space heaters here with thermoplastic cases, but they seem reasonably robust.
1503864;1468684999;mircea_popescu;well nobody forces you to use the wrong plastic for your application, you know.
1503865;1468685021;shinohai;Look t the money we saved!
1503866;1468685025;mircea_popescu;clearly.
1503867;1468685052;mircea_popescu;anyway. the item is made locally principally because i suspect it'd be illegal to ship internationally.
1503868;1468685070;mircea_popescu;accidental protectionism.
1503869;1468685241;shinohai;I am glad to own an actual "estufa" made of cast iron, which cheerfully warms the house with a log or three.
1503870;1468686280;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no siliconoil radiators in ar ?
1503871;1468686304;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: e.g., http://i.stack.imgur.com/kY2st.jpg
1503872;1468687177;mircea_popescu;nope.
1503873;1468687205;mircea_popescu;"mineral oil", afaik.
1503874;1468687270;mircea_popescu;and yes, that's the correct solution if for entirely incomprehensible reason you absolutely must have electric space heater : submerge resistors in thermically heavy oil, ie, re-do the circulating water radiator under the new design constraints.
1503875;1468687359;BingoBoingo;The trendy option here is electric heating element set under flooring in thinset mortar
1503876;1468687447;BingoBoingo;low voltage of course
1503877;1468688679;deedbot;[Qntra] Turkey Cooks - http://qntra.net/2016/07/turkey-cooks/
1503878;1468693116;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/vytn8
1503879;1468694448;mircea_popescu;yeah, will eventually be bitcoin miner
1503880;1468694463;BingoBoingo;naturally
1503881;1468694485;BingoBoingo;Of course then will be placed in something more durable than thinset
1503882;1468697318;mats;https://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/managed/4d/2a/control-flow-enforcement-technology-preview.pdf
1503883;1468697797;mats;http://www.stripes.com/army-looks-to-deactivate-long-range-surveillance-companies-1.419337 wat
1503884;1468697878;mircea_popescu;outsourcing to russia ?
1503885;1468698022;mats;?
1503886;1468698053;mircea_popescu;long range surveillance
1503887;1468698067;mats;outsourcing to drones
1503888;1468698185;mats;drones have eaten LRS missions and has been threatening CAS for longer
1503889;1468698207;mats;this presumption of air dominance is not clever
1503890;1468698343;mats;LRRS*
1503891;1468699801;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503882 << i've been waiting for this idiocy for ages
1503892;1468699801;a111;Logged on 2016-07-16 19:28 mats: https://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/managed/4d/2a/control-flow-enforcement-technology-preview.pdf
1503893;1468699839;asciilifeform;dedicated control stack! not overflowable Because We Said So!11111
1503894;1468699851;asciilifeform;like ethertardium.
1503895;1468699873;asciilifeform;make winblowz safe for demoooooceacy!
1503896;1468700146;mats;i read that with a thick slavic accent
1503897;1468700200;mats;are you a stereotype, asciilifeform
1503898;1468700207;mats;i need to verify my mental model
1503899;1468700603;phf;"Intel is pushing a neat technique that could block malware infections on computers at the processor level." kek
1503900;1468700791;phf;on a totally unrelated note, for keeping in logs, http://www.powerclinicinc.com/ handy service that repairs arbitrary power supplies
1503901;1468700979;phf;asciilifeform: that also seems to break setjmp/longjmp? not to mention various lisps and mls that abuse ret/call for compilation techniques
1503902;1468702036;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503901 << no shit
1503903;1468702036;a111;Logged on 2016-07-16 20:29 phf: asciilifeform: that also seems to break setjmp/longjmp? not to mention various lisps and mls that abuse ret/call for compilation techniques
1503904;1468702068;asciilifeform;like DEP, will have to kill it to run any serious proggy
1503905;1468702108;asciilifeform;but think, the sheer, monumental, militant pissing idiocy of the idea
1503906;1468702140;asciilifeform;'we'll make people use a nonaddrrssable stack! for own good!111'
1503907;1468703153;jurov;"Intel is pushing a neat technique that could push malware infections on computers at the processor level."
1503908;1468703173;jurov;^ i read it such at first
1503909;1468703350;shinohai;potato/potahto
1503910;1468707566;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
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1503912;1468708394;mod6;;;bc,stats
1503913;1468708395;gribble;Current Blocks: 421045 | Current Difficulty: 2.133989253313239E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 421343 | Next Difficulty In: 298 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 21 hours, 33 minutes, and 14 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1503914;1468708559;shinohai;o/ evening mod6
1503915;1468709302;mircea_popescu;mats> this presumption of air dominance is not clever << and even if it held, the drone bs is just lazy thinking.
1503916;1468709312;mircea_popescu;but whatever, let em shoot spherical chickens.
1503917;1468709421;mircea_popescu;phf> "Intel is pushing a neat technique that could block malware infections on computers at the processor level." kek << because that's TOTALLY where they should be blocked. check it out, intel found the solution to badly written "dao" : HARD FORK!!1
1503918;1468713940;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://66.media.tumblr.com/53d72e5773e1bb86c7442bbd7630b69a/tumblr_n7dg8l3q821rbii5ro1_500.gif
1503919;1468714440;mod6;how goes it shinohai
1503920;1468714916;shinohai;I'm just sitting here licking my dick, how 'bout you?
1503921;1468715372;mod6;haha. at a bbq
1503922;1468715506;mod6;i added a link to the tickets dir on the foundation website.
1503923;1468715525;mod6;must have forgotten to do that last month
1503924;1468716195;shinohai;nice. was going to do the bbq thing myself this weekend but got canceled
1503925;1468716273;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why not use a spaceball?
1503926;1468716305;ben_vulpes;re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-15#1503262
1503927;1468716305;a111;Logged on 2016-07-15 17:31 asciilifeform: admittedly i want this for cad, rather than sierra gamez.
1503928;1468716369;ben_vulpes;it is very well integrated with the major cad packages.
1503929;1468716401;ben_vulpes;(it is a 6-dof input device)
1503930;1468716435;ben_vulpes;my asciilifeform emulator says "because wasted time switching between mouse and spaceball!"
1503931;1468716899;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1503930 << spaceball is not a precision instrument, i have one,it is only good for camera angle movement
1503932;1468716899;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 00:47 ben_vulpes: my asciilifeform emulator says "because wasted time switching between mouse and spaceball!"
1503933;1468716924;ben_vulpes;what do you need the precision for?
1503934;1468716942;asciilifeform;what is ben_vulpes drinking?
1503935;1468716952;asciilifeform;it must be stronger than mine
1503936;1468716955;ben_vulpes;i never ever used anything but geometric constraints when designing parts.
1503937;1468716993;asciilifeform;i work in 2d on mm scale and move, rotate
1503938;1468717013;asciilifeform;smt.
1503939;1468717031;mircea_popescu;actually a proper, accelerometer based, precision instrument (glove ?) as described here seems a required item, thinking about it.
1503940;1468717038;mircea_popescu;nfi why it doesn't exist.
1503941;1468717042;ben_vulpes;i still have nfi why you'd design in any way but parametrically.
1503942;1468717114;ben_vulpes;"artisanally hand-carved pcbs!"
1503943;1468717582;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1503942 << circuit is netlist, but part placement is not meaningfully automatable.
1503944;1468717582;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 00:58 ben_vulpes: "artisanally hand-carved pcbs!"
1503945;1468717589;asciilifeform;np-complete.
1503946;1468717604;asciilifeform;try it yourself.
1503947;1468717671;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1503939 << gloves suck donkey cock, for same reason as laser keyboard etc. -- no mechanical resistance, no damper.
1503948;1468717671;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 00:57 mircea_popescu: actually a proper, accelerometer based, precision instrument (glove ?) as described here seems a required item, thinking about it.
1503949;1468717679;asciilifeform;try it yerself.
1503950;1468717888;*;ben_vulpes smacks self
1503951;1468717891;ben_vulpes;okay yeah that makes sense.
1503952;1468717952;*;asciilifeform just saw a play about mary toft, the 'rabbit birthing woman'
1503953;1468717976;asciilifeform;she is in the logz somewhere. 1720s.
1503954;1468718014;asciilifeform;also the malbec in dc is made from used tyres, it must be
1503955;1468718052;asciilifeform;but the nixon impersonator!! he was pure genius.
1503956;1468718706;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: where does the malbec claim to be from?
1503957;1468720023;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes:  ar
1503958;1468723445;mircea_popescu;jesus this place is pitiful
1503959;1468723455;*;mircea_popescu just walked out of "entertainment". 
1503960;1468723507;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think of "glove" in the sense of, a cubic foot heavy box you stick hand into, move around
1503961;1468723511;mircea_popescu;silicon oil!|
1503962;1468723562;mircea_popescu;if properly made, can have mechanical resistence actually be meaningful (magnetic transmission)
1503963;1468727833;BingoBoingo;"One spot that is getting more foot traffic than usual is the Jefferson County Jail, which is apparently an official in-game Pokestop, a place where players can gather items and catch Pokemon. One observer recalls seeing players staring at their phones as they walked around the jail's parking lot." http://www.riverfronttimes.com/artsblog/2016/07/14/pokemon-are-popping-up-in-strange-places-around-st-louis
1503964;1468727844;BingoBoingo;^ Apparently jail not surveilled enough
1503965;1468728132;BingoBoingo;In other lulz "A third metro-east facility was also cited in June for a nonlethal paperwork violation. Midwest Rehabilitation and Respiratory Center, a 180-bed intermediate and skilled care facility at 727 N. 17th St. in Belleville, was cited with a class A violation and fined $25,000 for failure to have an emergency evacuation plan in place for bariatric patients weighing more than 1,000 pounds. Midwest has requested a hearing, which wi
1503966;1468728132;BingoBoingo;ll be July 20."
1503967;1468729765;mircea_popescu;bwahaha
1503968;1468729785;mircea_popescu;does "we take them out back and shoot them if there's any sort of an emergency" count as a plan ?
1503969;1468732614;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1503960 >>>>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=35
1503970;1468732614;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 02:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think of "glove" in the sense of, a cubic foot heavy box you stick hand into, move around
1503971;1468732658;asciilifeform;i suspect that ~everybody though of this item at one point.
1503972;1468732667;asciilifeform;*thought
1503973;1468760890;mircea_popescu;aha
1503974;1468760951;*;mircea_popescu now wonders if idea is result of asciilifeform article sitting latent in memory, "forgotten" ; or if genuine case of "the obvious is obvious to all lookers".
1503975;1468763501;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
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1503977;1468764485;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1503965 << incidentally, a 'volkswagen'-worth of fat mass is quite the fire hazard
1503978;1468764485;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 04:02 BingoBoingo: In other lulz "A third metro-east facility was also cited in June for a nonlethal paperwork violation. Midwest Rehabilitation and Respiratory Center, a 180-bed intermediate and skilled care facility at 727 N. 17th St. in Belleville, was cited with a class A violation and fined $25,000 for failure to have an emergency evacuation plan in place for bariatric patients weighing more than 1,000 pounds. Midwest has requested a hearing, which wi
1503979;1468764520;asciilifeform;if you kept equivalent barrel of petrol indoors, fire inspector would tear you 2nd arse
1503980;1468764647;mircea_popescu;aha.
1503981;1468764667;mircea_popescu;they seriously should be fined, monthly, per pound.
1503982;1468764689;mircea_popescu;from bmi 30 onwards, each lb of fat carries the same excise as 1 ton of gasoline.
1503983;1468764781;Framedragger;more ethereum lols - https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4t82uq/replay_attack_redux_ef_devs_confirm_the_issue_is/ - so da developers are set on hard forking, but it is super unclear who's gonna support what. etherfolk are startled at the unthinkable possibility of two chains resulting from this mess. whoddathought. quality entertainment!
1503984;1468765155;shinohai;f2pool announced earlier they will not mine on HF so it promises to be lulzy
1503985;1468765235;Framedragger;and some exchanges will add 'ETHC' (classic non-HF ethereum) pairs. popcorn will be consumed
1503986;1468765300;*;shinohai buys popcorn shares
1503987;1468765360;mircea_popescu;it is pretty good.
1503988;1468766115;mircea_popescu;$google site:btcbase.org/log/ buttseks
1503989;1468766130;deedbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07 << 2016-05-07
1503990;1468766363;asciilifeform;re earlier thread, the operetta is not on www, but there is a mary toft 'fan' site... https://theawl.com/how-to-give-birth-to-a-rabbit-18d158f78fcf#.u7n183jgd
1503991;1468766378;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this article of yours is an outrage.
1503992;1468766391;asciilifeform;which
1503993;1468766392;mircea_popescu;i'm pretty sure i never read it before ; seriously, "neolythic speech patterns" ?
1503994;1468766426;asciilifeform;it was written under substances
1503995;1468766437;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform does she actually shove live rabbit up her snatch behind the curtain and then squeezes it out on stage ?
1503996;1468766460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was hoping, but.. nope. SCAM
1503997;1468766467;mircea_popescu;total scam.
1503998;1468766489;mircea_popescu;why are they so fucking... whatever they are. womanly. boring.
1503999;1468766520;asciilifeform;anyway the original incident was mighty lulzy, and quite reminiscent of modern scamatronics, and produced a great many caricatures, songs, etc at the time
1504000;1468766522;mircea_popescu;rabbit costs twenty bucks, get a young one. learning to hold it in for ten minutes is a day's entertainment. go out on stage, pop the thing, let it jump around (place carrots strategically prior).
1504001;1468766528;mircea_popescu;now that's postmodern theatre.
1504002;1468766582;asciilifeform;even the original toft never figured out how to get a live one in, and keep it alive
1504003;1468766602;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, re temperature : this is trivial for the box! there's this "weapon" idiocy of a beam which heats water in skin. not too practical as deployed, but perfectly usable in box - low latency.
1504004;1468766613;asciilifeform;aha
1504005;1468766631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what ?! put it in butt first. its nose actually protrudes 1/8 inch through opening
1504006;1468766636;asciilifeform;not very aimable though, at best you end up with the pain box from 'dune'
1504007;1468766651;mircea_popescu;you don't do it that strongly.
1504008;1468766671;mircea_popescu;the notio nthat "my palm" or "top of my hand" is touching "warm" is obtainable i'd say.
1504009;1468766678;asciilifeform;this, yes
1504010;1468766712;asciilifeform;btw mircea_popescu could, if so inclined, carry out the rabbit experiment using one of his pets, and tell how it went.
1504011;1468766762;phf;we host a vaudeville at burning man, we have a girl stop by every year, who does a striptease and then extracts objects of various complexity out of her snatch. mostly ribbons and eggs. i think there was one of those plastic chickens one time..
1504012;1468766836;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what experiment is necessary ? https://aos.iacpublishinglabs.com/question/aq/700px-394px/long-baby-rabbits-stay-mother_c2bade73e49e674b.jpg vs https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vHuqY2cpL._SX522_.jpg
1504013;1468766873;asciilifeform;the beast writhes, neh?
1504014;1468766873;mircea_popescu;phf there's this blondy that has an epic stripping/magic act, same principle. i wonder if it's the same one.
1504015;1468766882;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, warm, tight, goes to sleep.
1504016;1468766939;deedbot;[Trilema] Return to Paradise - http://trilema.com/2016/return-to-paradise/
1504017;1468767089;phf;it could be, girl's a blond, and the act is well rehearsed and improves from year to year, so i wouldn't be surprised if she does it elsewhere too
1504018;1468767153;mircea_popescu;moreover, if female is unable to control a two ounce rabbit with her pubococcygneus she's in desperate fuycking need of kegel workouts.
1504019;1468767172;mircea_popescu;who's we, and what do i have to do to get you to host it in ba ?
1504020;1468767459;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, your design is flawed because "Your appendages are, in fact, resting on thin air, supported by arm-length gloves assembled from (ferrofluid? muscle wire?) microcells that can shift in position, stiffness, angle, temperature.". that's no good - they should rest in gel not thin air.
1504021;1468767463;mircea_popescu;what's in the gel . welll.
1504022;1468767489;mircea_popescu;but the important point is to allow gradient. so it would be a continuous medium not a border thing
1504023;1468767587;asciilifeform;http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/exhibns/month/aug2009.html << the original lultronium, neatly collected by uni of glasgow
1504024;1468767704;phf;it's a loose knit group of european burners, but i'm not sure something like that can be taken outside burning man easily. we just provide the venue (i.e. build it out of home depot scaffolding and random junk) and people are welcome to come perform. but it's been going on for a while and the venue vibe is consistent from year to year, that some decent performers find it every year. the girl with the vagina, couple of operatic singers, guys with u
1504025;1468767704;phf;kuleles
1504026;1468767809;phf;i'll ask her next time if she does that stuff in default world, i never thought to ask
1504027;1468767819;mircea_popescu;phf do me a favour and inquire with whoever's in charge what it'd take for them to do a show in buenos aires ?
1504028;1468767860;mircea_popescu;this idiocy has to be dissolved somehow.
1504029;1468767941;asciilifeform;p.t. barnum жил, жив, будет жить!
1504030;1468767976;mircea_popescu;not to say that there's anything wrong with ukulele or whatever else - but i perceive the snatch act is something the argentards wouldn't readily manage to digest. by which term we mean, of course, "reinterpret through the lens of their imbecility and thus render meaningless"
1504031;1468768050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yesterday i stormed out of a PACKED VENUE ("teatro cubo") where a "urban shock" dance troupe was going to perform.
1504032;1468768064;asciilifeform;was a snore?
1504033;1468768068;mircea_popescu;the seating was arranged in layers, like on a stadium. the dancing was to happen on a fucking university stage.
1504034;1468768087;mircea_popescu;i'm not going to entertain these inept values.
1504035;1468768106;mircea_popescu;i go watch women dance their ass off, i'm sitting at tables talking with friends and having drinks.
1504036;1468768107;mircea_popescu;what the shit.
1504037;1468768152;phf;you hafta respect the arts, see, what are you some kind of philistine
1504038;1468768161;mircea_popescu;NO!
1504039;1468768169;mircea_popescu;fucking fuck omfg you're giving me liver spots
1504040;1468768196;*;phf cackles 
1504041;1468768213;mircea_popescu;it is unmoglich! as the gent said
1504042;1468768218;asciilifeform;the toft thing was also on a flat stage in some rathole theatre
1504043;1468768224;asciilifeform;3 blokes and 1 chick
1504044;1468768239;asciilifeform;and a rock band thing
1504045;1468768244;mircea_popescu;[unter diesen umstanden zu fuhren]. which, of course, is EXACTLY what the shitheads want.
1504046;1468768269;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rathole theatre means dudes in overcoats with old streetwalkers blowing them discreetely.
1504047;1468768289;asciilifeform;probably had these in the back.
1504048;1468768292;mircea_popescu;that may be, but this was a bunch of student vagrant chicks who own one pair of underwear and somehow spent 250 pesos to be there.
1504049;1468768298;mircea_popescu;(this is a fortune, for argentines)
1504050;1468768312;asciilifeform;that is, what, fiddubux?
1504051;1468768316;mircea_popescu;literally, it looked like history of art 101 in wessex community college.
1504052;1468768321;mircea_popescu;nah, like 12.
1504053;1468768329;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, like 18.
1504054;1468768342;asciilifeform;lel, these folks live on what, spare change from the pavement?
1504055;1468768346;mircea_popescu;yes.
1504056;1468768349;mircea_popescu;empanadas, 10 peso each.
1504057;1468768386;mircea_popescu;but! they are rich in prospects! recursos! dreams hopes aspirations and human rights! soberania! gargle generally.
1504058;1468768408;mircea_popescu;just, if you press them, they can not produce a six dollar bill out of their pockets ; and purchases over 20 dollars DEFINITELY go on the credit card.
1504059;1468768425;asciilifeform;they have credit?!
1504060;1468768432;*;mircea_popescu in shop, friday - bought two pairs of pants, because liked them. total came to 2k, which is imo very reasonable for corduroy pants.
1504061;1468768458;mircea_popescu;elder gent in front of me, dressed like uni professor / actor / whatever, put a 750 peso (~60 dollar) purchase ON AN INSTALLMENT PLAN!
1504062;1468768503;mircea_popescu;took him more to go through that than it took me to pick the store pick the pants decide i'm buying and how many. he was there when i came in, he would have been there for an hour had i not rudely interrupted his soberania & derechos humanos.
1504063;1468768527;asciilifeform;hey, when i worked at the godforsaken shithole with the homomorphic crud, nearby there was a furniture shop where you could buy a $30 lamp on layaway.
1504064;1468768545;asciilifeform;various poor black folk, did, i saw alive.
1504065;1468768548;mircea_popescu;yes, but not at the same time dress like a professor. or, for that matter, by a fifty year old white male.
1504066;1468768558;mircea_popescu;exactly my point. it's unseemly.
1504067;1468768579;mircea_popescu;if you're a beggar, at fifty, no nothing, first of all you have no business going in a shop ; and second of all you have no business wearing shoes.
1504068;1468768603;mircea_popescu;it is fraud, essentially, he goes about the town pretending he';s a person. he's not a person, he's barely qualified to be a canary.
1504069;1468768646;asciilifeform;interestingly, i used to encounter regularly bums in (threadbare) nice suits
1504070;1468768661;asciilifeform;usually around university
1504071;1468768670;phf;presumably only suit
1504072;1468768672;asciilifeform;man has 1 suit.
1504073;1468768674;asciilifeform;aha.
1504074;1468768723;mircea_popescu;then they do these movement patters, like decerebrated chickens. and you wonder wtf happened here, this fine looking gentleman of a respectable age hasn't mastered the basics requisites of a 12 yo ?
1504075;1468768728;mircea_popescu;but HE IS THAT 12 YO!
1504076;1468768730;asciilifeform;once i saw police pulling one kicking, screaming, off a bus, he had hungarian accent
1504077;1468768736;mircea_popescu;they just conspired to dress him wrongly for who he is!
1504078;1468768748;asciilifeform;i immediately thought 'erdos, motherfuckers'
1504079;1468768763;mircea_popescu;see, don't do that.
1504080;1468769268;mircea_popescu;absolutely run of the mill mitm attack - you credit erdos' ip, which results in a market for "erdos-like ips" which people buy FOR THE REASON that they ARE NOT erdos ; but wish nevertheless to get your packets sent over as if they were.
1504081;1468769283;asciilifeform;except nobody buys.
1504082;1468769302;mircea_popescu;he DID get the suit, somehow, yes ?
1504083;1468769319;mircea_popescu;bought. for money or sexual favours ; or through fraud obtain'd matters not.
1504084;1468769321;asciilifeform;usg will pay generous pensions to 'piss christ' artists, 'sjw', lafond's hood rats, and other vermin, but ~not a penny for mathematics
1504085;1468769334;asciilifeform;presumably the man had the suit because at one point he was in work
1504086;1468769369;mircea_popescu;and presumably he had a @goodpeople.org email address because at some point was good people.
1504087;1468769373;asciilifeform;who knows where he worked. perhaps same place i did.
1504088;1468769382;thestringpuller;shinohai: roger ver gettin' exposed for censorship!
1504089;1468769416;shinohai;lol, well it's not censorship when we do it! (tm)
1504090;1468769457;thestringpuller;I'm going to write it up 4 lulz.
1504091;1468769466;mircea_popescu;it'll be a sad day for unintentional comedy when that muppet finally has enough of being milked for lulz and crawls back into whatever hole he came from.
1504092;1468769510;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you disagree with the mitm diagnosis ?
1504093;1468769511;shinohai;pffft ... Roger Ver will go broke trying to vindicate his bigger blocks vision for Bitcoin.
1504094;1468769511;asciilifeform;speaking of roger ver and fireworks, http://abcnews.go.com/US/traces-tatp-explosive-identified-central-park-blast-police/story?id=40601654
1504095;1468769539;mircea_popescu;shinohai he can't go broke anymore, so there is that.
1504096;1468769550;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i neither agree nor disagree, i did not know for a fact whether the fella on the bus was 'math bum' or not. simply that the thought came to me, 'erdos'
1504097;1468769558;mircea_popescu;aite.
1504098;1468769638;mircea_popescu;re the "we found traces of tatp" i wonder how big the market in "misdirecting chemicals" is by now. "use this additive, will make police think you used Y agent".
1504099;1468769646;mircea_popescu;it's been huge in the luxury/perfume market for a while now.
1504100;1468769659;asciilifeform;dunno, tatp is genuinely popular
1504101;1468769666;asciilifeform;on account of requiring ~0 effort.
1504102;1468769675;mircea_popescu;sure. still, stray thought.
1504103;1468769684;asciilifeform;and 0 nitrogen, so not picked up by electronic sensors at airports etc
1504104;1468769689;asciilifeform;nor dog.
1504105;1468769752;asciilifeform;goes off, as ~everyone probably knows by now, on its own, when it feels like it, but this is a minor detail to room temperature iq 'l33337 jihad d00dz'
1504106;1468769784;mircea_popescu;hey, i made nitrocellulose in my kiddy lab, the "unstable as all fuck" thing was a bonus
1504107;1468769792;asciilifeform;they really ought to make it as a bipartite thing
1504108;1468769798;asciilifeform;the way usg did nerve gases
1504109;1468769819;asciilifeform;(2 glass flasks in the shell, mix on site when broken)
1504110;1468769826;mircea_popescu;(very easy to make - pour high grade nitric acid on paper cuttings)
1504111;1468769841;asciilifeform;aha, which is why it is easier to score cocaine in usa than nitric acid
1504112;1468769846;mircea_popescu;heh
1504113;1468769855;mircea_popescu;i had a quart bottle.
1504114;1468769857;mircea_popescu;98%
1504115;1468769891;asciilifeform;it, and others, were quite gettable in sov world
1504116;1468769898;mircea_popescu;aha
1504117;1468769904;mircea_popescu;had a quart bottle of ether, also.
1504118;1468769934;mircea_popescu;(every time i mention this in english - people either assume or else inquire if i huffed it. no i didn't fucking huff it wtf.)
1504119;1468769941;asciilifeform;when i tell usian folk about my elder brother's chemistry youth, they 'bluescreen', it 'dun compute'
1504120;1468769971;asciilifeform;'whaddayamean, in Oppressive Orc Country you could do what we could not?! blasphemy'
1504121;1468769977;mircea_popescu;heh.
1504122;1468770020;mircea_popescu;famously, gun cotton was actually discovered by guy who accidentally poured a bottle of nitric acid on table.
1504123;1468770026;mircea_popescu;talk about "manufactured scarcity"
1504124;1468770476;phf;friend was talking about 4 of july, how the freedom loving rednecks were launching fireworks, despite all kinds of restrictions on distribution. and i was like the fuck you talking about, fireworks are easily available in any quantity and size over the counter everywhere else
1504125;1468770559;phf;girl still has wide eyed memories of me buying $300 worth of fireworks at some random store in moscows, and launching all of them in snow, in residential area, literally in front of my grandmother's apartment building
1504126;1468770600;mircea_popescu;well, residential area in moscow was made of concrete, not vinyl.
1504127;1468770677;mircea_popescu;and in other "abstinence only" news : http://66.media.tumblr.com/69482bc152ff14641c3abb8e879109a4/tumblr_nmrk0q4mJc1rgvmo2o1_500.gif
1504128;1468770701;mircea_popescu;i wonder why the fuck they've not yet come up with the concept of "well, young kids can only have sex in difficult positions". natural limitation!
1504129;1468771264;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/2ZFV6T0.txt
1504130;1468771264;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1504131;1468771420;shinohai;http://archive.is/Zn2cr  <<< NeoBee "we gonna pay all you guys back, we promise frfr this time."
1504132;1468773017;Framedragger;;;seen maqp
1504133;1468773018;gribble;I have not seen maqp.
1504134;1468773057;Framedragger;that's too bad
1504135;1468773274;asciilifeform;$s from:maqp
1504136;1468773274;a111;132 results for "from:maqp", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amaqp
1504137;1468773296;asciilifeform;Framedragger: he appeared in #b-a pre-schism
1504138;1468773319;asciilifeform;was good for a number of lulz
1504139;1468773346;Framedragger;yeah just finished reading everything
1504140;1468773359;Framedragger;imho more than just lulz. but agree re 'hopelessly alone' comment
1504141;1468773430;Framedragger;incidentally prolly just grokked the main point of gossipd, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-07#1399507 + http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-07#1399508
1504142;1468773430;a111;Logged on 2016-02-07 23:57 mircea_popescu: complete anonimity between peers more than one node removed ; complete secrecy outside of the node group ; no integrity or authenticity outside of the wot trust.
1504143;1468773430;a111;Logged on 2016-02-07 23:56 maqp: so a secure communication system with no anonymity between peers, no secrecy, no integrity and no authenticity unless all peers are trustworthy
1504144;1468773480;Framedragger;a111 quoted in reversed order, argh.
1504145;1468773724;Framedragger;his blog https://maqp3d.wordpress.com/
1504146;1468773801;asciilifeform;looks like a snore thus far
1504147;1468773926;Framedragger;it's quite alright without being too unique/revolutionary. e.g. https://maqp3d.wordpress.com/2015/09/28/whatsapp-vs-textsecure-a-closer-look-at-axolotl/
1504148;1468773946;asciilifeform;this is precisely the definitional snore.
1504149;1468773983;Framedragger;well, let me recall if perhaps i had the same first impression when encountering your blog ca. 2010
1504150;1468773997;Framedragger;hm honestly, maybe i didn't :)
1504151;1468774055;Framedragger;it was probably the about page where you ranted about how you were sitting in $lecture thinking about a generic associative notation system etc etc, and realizing it's a slippery slope to hell and you need to implement a lisp machine
1504152;1468774060;Framedragger;so, fair enough
1504153;1468774087;Framedragger;(the impression was "crazy smart guy")
1504154;1468774100;asciilifeform;this is very much not my impression of linked item though.
1504155;1468774106;Framedragger;that i agree with
1504156;1468774120;asciilifeform;srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil.
1504157;1468774122;Framedragger;doesn't have to be. but, sure, we all have limited time under the sun, so
1504158;1468774196;asciilifeform;fella's obsession with photoisolator (e.g., https://maqp3d.wordpress.com/2015/09/29/tfc-cev ) is also cargocultist.
1504159;1468774200;Framedragger;asciilifeform: what would you recommend for secure IM right now?
1504160;1468774214;Framedragger;(i do realize i'm invoking a tu quoque of sorts)
1504161;1468774215;asciilifeform;Framedragger: pgp. drop the 'I'.
1504162;1468774247;asciilifeform;and, if endpoints know one another in the flesh, otp.
1504163;1468774262;Framedragger;difficult to organize coups without the 'I'. the (shitty shitty) turkey coup used whatsapp incidentally
1504164;1468774291;Framedragger;no pfs either
1504165;1468774305;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: do pray tell how wars were fought without pre 1980?
1504166;1468774308;asciilifeform;it used what nuland orderted it to use.
1504167;1468774310;asciilifeform;*ordered
1504168;1468774339;asciilifeform;as for 'real time', there is this marvelous device known as... a clock
1504169;1468774348;asciilifeform;'attack at quarter past noon'
1504170;1468774357;Framedragger;asciilifeform: actually with pgp you'll just end up trusting your much dreaded aes256 since openpgp will do the whole 'session' thing as you know
1504171;1468774370;Framedragger;i suppose so.
1504172;1468774399;Framedragger;(well, all implementations of openpgp anyway ^ )
1504173;1468774409;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: war != coup but ok
1504174;1468774423;asciilifeform;Framedragger: pgp is a sad, duct-tape-laden thing, as discussed on plenty of occasions in the logz. but the proliferation of psyop 'alternatives' casts it in a surprisingly good light.
1504175;1468774511;asciilifeform;let's pick on one particular maqpism:
1504176;1468774513;asciilifeform;'TFC-CEV is a high assurance encrypted messaging system that operates on top of existing IM clients. The free and open source software is used in conjunction with free hardware to protect users from passive eavesdropping, active MITM attacks and remote CNE practised by organized crime and state-level adversaries.'
1504177;1468774526;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i see your point. but to me "just trust in pfs for both {rsa-4096, aes-256}" still sounds pretty crazy
1504178;1468774572;Framedragger;asciilifeform: (maqp had mentioned that tpc-cev may be outdated, mind. just fyi)
1504179;1468774585;asciilifeform;the problem is quite intrinsic
1504180;1468774588;asciilifeform;you do not see it ?
1504181;1468774607;Framedragger;"on top of"? but hence his whole airgap thing
1504182;1468774614;Framedragger;"free hardware"
1504183;1468774615;Framedragger;sure
1504184;1468774617;asciilifeform;i will point with finger then: '...messaging system that operates on top of existing IM clients. The free and open source software is used in conjunction with free hardware...'
1504185;1468774632;asciilifeform;'existing IM clients' 'open source software' 'free hardware'
1504186;1468774644;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yes i saw it: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504181
1504187;1468774644;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 16:56 Framedragger: "on top of"? but hence his whole airgap thing
1504188;1468774662;asciilifeform;the airgap thing is a cargo cult. sorta like proposing to prevent ALL disease by washing hands.
1504189;1468774686;Framedragger;the whole unidirectional diode thing is nonetheless cute, if not truly original or anything
1504190;1468774726;asciilifeform;it is an ancient idea, and not useless, but does absolutely nothing vs protocol-level holes, which are pestilential in 'existing IM clients', as is i think known to ~everyone
1504191;1468774739;asciilifeform;and for quite fundamental reasons, having to do with the C machine
1504192;1468774753;asciilifeform;and with 'open source software' stack as a culture.
1504193;1468774767;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic.
1504194;1468774786;asciilifeform;fella showed up here, was offered the light, vanished.
1504195;1468774796;asciilifeform;like Apocalyptic earlier.
1504196;1468774801;asciilifeform;and many other folks.
1504197;1468774806;Framedragger;'the light'
1504198;1468774813;asciilifeform;yes. got problem ?
1504199;1468774822;ben_vulpes;the light must be sought, it cannot be brought.
1504200;1468774833;Framedragger;my echochamber saturation is nearing 100% but not yet there ;)
1504201;1468774834;ben_vulpes;student comes, submits, fights for each scrap of knowledge.
1504202;1468774875;Framedragger;s/afaiic/afaiac/
1504203;1468774895;ben_vulpes;this is not mircea_popescu's harem where basic mathematics are beaten into slavegirls.
1504204;1468774895;asciilifeform;'hopeful' folks are a dime a dozen.
1504205;1468774897;ben_vulpes;$s hoplite
1504206;1468774897;a111;1 results for "hoplite", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hoplite
1504207;1468774908;ben_vulpes;wat
1504208;1468774932;ben_vulpes;huh. "hoplite brings his own armor" anyways.
1504209;1468774942;asciilifeform;whereas folks willing to contemplate 'throw away openssl et al' are uncommon, and 'throw away von neumann machine' rarer still.
1504210;1468774959;asciilifeform;the 'hope' thing per se is worth ~0.
1504211;1468774976;asciilifeform;every maggot in every pile of festering offal has 'hope'.
1504212;1468775026;Framedragger;(well to be true, 'throw away openssl' has been seriously contemplated by any a folk recently, i would wager a guess. but perhaps much less so with the latter, sure.)
1504213;1468775036;Framedragger;*many
1504214;1468775072;asciilifeform;contemplated strictly here. and nowhere else. because, while various folks made noises about 'throw away openssl', 100% of heathens are dead-set on re-creating the very same culture that resulted in it.
1504215;1468775144;asciilifeform;the entire subject, of software as a cultural product, as opposed to a disembodied thing floating unanchored in possibility-space, is discussed ~nowhere else.
1504216;1468775209;Framedragger;sure, open source culture is mostly a pile of crap, with little to no reflection on the culture *itself*, hard to disagree with you here.
1504217;1468775305;asciilifeform;one key ingredient of the antidote to 'everything resembles openssl' is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502498
1504218;1468775305;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 15:37 asciilifeform: the problem is that there is more than ~10,000 lines of it.
1504219;1468775310;asciilifeform;and more generally,
1504220;1468775313;asciilifeform;$s fits in head
1504221;1468775313;a111;80 results for "fits in head", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=fits%20in%20head
1504222;1468775394;Framedragger;sure.
1504223;1468775402;asciilifeform;other ingredients include vtronics (every line has a sworn and cryptoauthenticated author),
1504224;1468775452;asciilifeform;merciless lustration of 'dreppers',
1504225;1468775465;asciilifeform;but, most importantly, the replacement of the foundations.
1504226;1468775491;asciilifeform;the c-machine is an idiot foundation, which inevitably breeds the pests we are familiar with.
1504227;1468775504;Framedragger;$s c-machine
1504228;1468775505;a111;31 results for "c-machine", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=c-machine
1504229;1468775561;Framedragger;c-machine as in von neumann machine
1504230;1468775563;Framedragger;?
1504231;1468775578;asciilifeform;c machine is mainly about untagged words.
1504232;1468775587;asciilifeform;and unbounded arrays.
1504233;1468775590;Framedragger;ah, ah
1504234;1468775614;Framedragger;teh ritchie-machine
1504235;1468775644;asciilifeform;and, secondarily, about the proliferation and endless half-hearted reimplementation of essentials like allocators, gc, bignumatron, for the lack of standard hardware-provided faculties
1504236;1468775677;asciilifeform;this is a broad subject and i will not attempt to further summarize here, i have an entire www devoted to it.
1504237;1468775679;Framedragger;(incidentally K&R (as everyone here of course knows) included shitloads of hurtful idiosyncrasies and plain mistakes, not that this would be unexpected - just lulzy.)
1504238;1468775689;asciilifeform;there is almost 9 years of material.
1504239;1468775724;Framedragger;asciilifeform: sure, i've read some of it, and will read more. i recall the general source of frustration, 'the whole stack is shit' etc
1504240;1468775753;asciilifeform;stack is shit on a ~conceptual~ rather than ~implementation~ level.
1504241;1468775761;Framedragger;sure.
1504242;1468775955;asciilifeform;Framedragger: didja read by any chance mircea_popescu's recent piece on argentine space-heaters ?
1504243;1468775965;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study <<
1504244;1468776001;asciilifeform;anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine
1504245;1468776062;asciilifeform;where instead of a hardwarized and guaranteed-correct array allocator, bignumatron, etc., there are 10,001 tiny ad-hoc pieces of shit, like the little space heaters, melting carpets, starting fires when you so much as blink
1504246;1468776186;asciilifeform;the c-machine pointer mechanism, and its non-boundchecked array access in general, is quite similar to mains wiring prior to the invention of the fuse, where mains socket has nfi that it oughtn't source 300 amps and melt itself, igniting the entire wall
1504247;1468776420;asciilifeform;the standard argument in favour of c-machine, 'transistors have a cost', holds 0 water: the modern cpu is nothing like pdp11, and has plenty of transistors wasted on idiot epicycles to paper over the retardation, e.g., page table, tlb cache, etc
1504248;1468776441;asciilifeform;not to mention various and sundry 'seeek00000rity mitigations', e.g., the intel idiocy discussed yesterday
1504249;1468776451;asciilifeform;anything but ACTUAL solution to the ACTUAL problem
1504250;1468776493;asciilifeform;(because this would leave no room for microshit, or anything like the 'sek000rity industry', or the idiot face of 'software industry' in general, to exist)
1504251;1468776534;asciilifeform;software would be a thing that is written, for particular application, once, and still used, bitwise-verbatim, 50 years later.
1504252;1468776578;asciilifeform;(incidentally there is the occasional oasis where this is actually the case, there are banks that have been running same mainframe for generations, why do you suppose they are not eager to move to pc ? to microshit ?)
1504253;1468776712;asciilifeform;the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
1504254;1468776805;asciilifeform;http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3241270848355795@naggum.no.html << see also.
1504255;1468776863;asciilifeform;'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people.  Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming.  Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th
1504256;1468776863;asciilifeform;e auto mechanics of the IT industry, all flocked to Perl because they could tinker so well with it with no required knowledge or skills.  Thus was "programmering performed by tinkerers" born as a concept, and the tinker toys of the unskilled became better and better.'
1504257;1468777154;asciilifeform;systems which are designed by actual designers, and actually work, do not breed 'perls'. or 'web2.0 libraries'. or any of it.
1504258;1468777207;asciilifeform;these items, including most of what a modern-day programmer is familiar with, are not part of a healthy ecosystem, any more than the various fungi growing on an aids patient are normal parts of human body.
1504259;1468777343;asciilifeform;virtually all of the technological 'growth' since late '80s, is precisely of this kind.
1504260;1468777385;asciilifeform;even the much-hyped 'cheaper cpu cycle' happened only so that it could be eaten up by successive new layers of microshit. and for ~no other reason.
1504261;1468777572;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, lulzy usgtronic scam: http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-fake-biofuel-factory
1504262;1468777573;jurov;I think it was just because IBM thought it's good idea
1504263;1468777592;jurov;Perhaps if IBM sold lisp machines...
1504264;1468777656;asciilifeform;ibm never quite made the conceptual transition from 'calculator' to 'computer'
1504265;1468778273;asciilifeform;in other 'news', this schmuck is still in business, apparently : http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-cody-wilson-ghost-gunner-ar-15
1504266;1468778295;asciilifeform;it is difficult to catalogue all of the idiocies,
1504267;1468778349;asciilifeform;e.g., why make the complex ar15 receiver, when one could design a much simpler stamped (or waterjet-cut, etc) item that would take the same barrels;
1504268;1468778384;asciilifeform;or why wilson is convinced that usg will not answer simply by changing the rules so that ~barrel~, rather than magazine holder, is regulated;
1504269;1468778403;asciilifeform;or why he collects megabux of donation simply to give to lawyers;
1504270;1468778419;asciilifeform;or, even, 'But if Wilson wins, he says, Defense Distributed has plenty of material it’s never been able to share—a backlog of homespun, open source weapon innovations, ready to upload.'
1504271;1468778421;asciilifeform;wtf...
1504272;1468778437;asciilifeform;'anarchist' won't upload his 13333337 w4r3z unless usg gives green light...
1504273;1468778503;asciilifeform;this is a very typical, incidentally, 'hopeful' fella as per Framedragger's http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193
1504274;1468778503;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 16:59 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i guess you have little patience for spotting potentially hopeful people, and bringing them up to speed on $ideology / teaching them / etc. which is absolutely understandable, afaiic.
1504275;1468778522;asciilifeform;full of 'hope and change' but 0 perspective outside of his peculiar tunnel vision
1504276;1468778584;asciilifeform;'i will sell machine that makes banned rifle part X' but no contemplation of 'so they'll ban part Y which my machine cannot make', or 'why not design a Z which can be made by hand' etc.
1504277;1468778728;asciilifeform;for the record, the only direction with real promise in small arms field is 'gyrojet', where the rifled and tempered barrel is unnecessary, given a self-rotating projectile, small and quite easily-made rocket
1504278;1468778752;asciilifeform;wake me up when wilson sells machine that craps out ~these~.
1504279;1468778793;asciilifeform;http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/GyroJetCartridge.jpg << subj
1504280;1468778866;asciilifeform;not apparent in the photo: the angle of the jet holes. (the actual brilliant hack there.)
1504281;1468778966;asciilifeform;somehow i suspect that we will never run out of material for the 'idiot engineers and their tunnel vision' eternal thread...
1504282;1468780163;mircea_popescu;o.O what happened here!
1504283;1468780232;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mostly, asciilifeform's wrath bit was set
1504284;1468780251;mircea_popescu;oic
1504285;1468780351;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504156 << it's the unfortunate side effect of the bezzlar washing process, that the naive / youthful fixate on the intermediate steps as if they were actual things.
1504286;1468780351;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 16:48 asciilifeform: srsly, 'whatsapp' ?! i will give half a fuck about 'whatsapp' right after i go to shanghai and learn the best ways of cooking gutter oil.
1504287;1468780370;asciilifeform;theme of entire thread.
1504288;1468780383;mircea_popescu;usually a stay in an actual wealth management business cures this nonsense. what do you mean "what does corporation XYZ do ?! are you insane ? it doesn't DO anything, it's a fucking notational convention."
1504289;1468780417;asciilifeform;about as achievable for most folks as a stint in the reactor business.
1504290;1468780427;asciilifeform;(and would have similar consequences if achieved)
1504291;1468780430;mircea_popescu;yawell
1504292;1468782898;asciilifeform;http://www.pcworld.com/article/249951/computers/if-it-aint-broke-dont-fix-it-ancient-computers-in-use-today.html << some lulz re earlier.
1504293;1468782913;asciilifeform;'Sparkler Filters of Conroe, Texas, prides itself on being a leader in the world of chemical process filtration. If you buy an automatic nutsche filter from them, though, they’ll enter your transaction on a “computer” that dates from 1948.'
1504294;1468783044;asciilifeform;'Stanley Quayle, a computer emulation consultant, has seen contractors desperate to find the parts they need. "I have a prospective customer supporting a U.S. missile defense system that is buying parts on eBay," says Quayle. "Any parts they do find are as old or older than their system," meaning they’re sometimes no more reliable than the pieces they replace.'
1504295;1468783299;asciilifeform;or, more recently, http://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/25/us-military-uses-8-inch-floppy-disks-to-coordinate-nuclear-force-operations.html
1504296;1468783343;asciilifeform;^ one in a series of many similar lulticles, which neglect to mention the inconvenient fact that folks use mechanical tabulators, vaxen, 8-inch floppies, SOLELY BECAUSE the available alternatives are microshit and drepper
1504297;1468783558;asciilifeform;the message, loud and clear, to 'software industry', from the greybears who are the only thing that presently stands between the 'civilized' world and zimbabwe, is: 'kindly die in a fire, nobody needs yer 'progress'.'
1504298;1468783569;asciilifeform;*greybeards
1504299;1468785010;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/baton-rouge-police-shooting-leaves-8438367
1504300;1468785019;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ^^
1504301;1468785524;asciilifeform;'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel
1504302;1468786520;shinohai;http://archive.is/CYkMj   <<< moar tor fallout
1504303;1468786796;asciilifeform;shinohai: is there context for this ?
1504304;1468786806;asciilifeform;or is it more of a general-purpose 'you suck'
1504305;1468786973;shinohai;more general purpose suckage
1504306;1468787928;asciilifeform;shinohai: there was phrase 'recent events'
1504307;1468788485;deedbot;[Qntra] Roger VER-ified Censorship Free Paradise Censors - http://qntra.net/2016/07/roger-ver-ified-censorship-free-paradise-censors/
1504308;1468788840;BingoBoingo;"Marines Playing Pokémon Go Help Catch Attempted Murder Suspect" << It marches on
1504309;1468789137;shinohai;O.o
1504310;1468789537;BingoBoingo;ty ben_vulpes
1504311;1468789905;mircea_popescu;and in other "hey honey, how goes it" news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/fd46726f11506a7ecb04bd6fe059f35d/tumblr_nlyj3yCmk41uojv1ho1_400.gif
1504312;1468789930;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504244 << ah, i didn't yet, and ha, i see the connection..
1504313;1468789930;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:20 asciilifeform: anywhere other than ~equator, a block of flats without a boiler, plumbing, and radiators, is quite analogous to the c-machine
1504314;1468789940;Framedragger;heh.
1504315;1468789971;Framedragger;(^ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504242)
1504316;1468789971;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:19 asciilifeform: Framedragger: didja read by any chance mircea_popescu's recent piece on argentine space-heaters ?
1504317;1468790059;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504246 (and onwards) g'point. there's so much pipelining stuff going on in x86 these days that the whole "we can't afford to do bounds checking" needs to be revisited, ~yesterday..
1504318;1468790059;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:23 asciilifeform: the c-machine pointer mechanism, and its non-boundchecked array access in general, is quite similar to mains wiring prior to the invention of the fuse, where mains socket has nfi that it oughtn't source 300 amps and melt itself, igniting the entire wall
1504319;1468790088;Framedragger;the whole ragerant is appreciated, too
1504320;1468790187;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504255 << s/perl/{javascript, lookihaveagithubprofile}/ etc for "modern days", yeah...
1504321;1468790187;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:34 asciilifeform: 'In all likelihood, there was no change at all to the labor-intensiveness, but the labor was more "fun" for a certain class of people.  Now, industrious retards can be a horrible thing. Over a number of years, close to a decade, Perl accreted bits and pieces from programming languages and became usable in lieu of a programming language by people who lacked the mental wherewithall to do programming.  Tinkerers, repairers, handymen, th
1504322;1468790195;mircea_popescu;this guy is so zen...
1504323;1468790219;Framedragger;maybe there's harmony of mind on the other end of the rage scale, too..
1504324;1468790244;mircea_popescu;hehe ya think ?
1504325;1468790274;Framedragger;hey i'm young and new!
1504326;1468790352;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504260 << this i can relate to 100%. the fact that there is any lag between me clicking on button and the button responding is an unending, continuous insult to my face. 3bn cycles down the drain
1504327;1468790352;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:43 asciilifeform: even the much-hyped 'cheaper cpu cycle' happened only so that it could be eaten up by successive new layers of microshit. and for ~no other reason.
1504328;1468790435;deedbot;[Qntra] Three Baton Rouge Officers Killed In Ambush - http://qntra.net/2016/07/three-baton-rouge-officers-killed-in-ambush/
1504329;1468790687;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: Hole Hawg doesn't have any delay...
1504330;1468790763;BingoBoingo;If Especially adventurous can also use 2nd man on "cheater bar" so that you won't be only casualty if drill bit binds with material
1504331;1468790886;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: true that. or are you implying that delay is sometimes a good thing? (sure is - now if only the user had a choice in the matter of a predictable delay!) but, yeah; it adds to the insult, methinks
1504332;1468790985;BingoBoingo;Utility of delay depends on what you are doing. If you want to counter beastly machine torque with man and a length of pipe, you're going to need some warning.
1504333;1468791027;Framedragger;for sure
1504334;1468791041;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504326 <<<< http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300
1504335;1468791041;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 21:19 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504260 << this i can relate to 100%. the fact that there is any lag between me clicking on button and the button responding is an unending, continuous insult to my face. 3bn cycles down the drain
1504336;1468791046;BingoBoingo;Note that even "toy" cordless dispasable drill can torque enough to mess with soft tissue in wrist
1504337;1468791330;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah nice, /thread.
1504338;1468791330;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ...sooo, you're certain it'd be pointless to attempt a small sane kernel for *existing* intel and/or arm madness? (i assume the answer is "yes", but just to be certain..)
1504339;1468791373;mircea_popescu;it would not be madness.
1504340;1468791408;asciilifeform;not pointless, but important to understand that result will eventually be the same pile of shit as everyone else's pile of shit.
1504341;1468791415;asciilifeform;because the hardware does NOT support sanity.
1504342;1468791439;asciilifeform;even the kind of sanity that was extant on x86 circa '90s.
1504343;1468791443;Framedragger;hrm.
1504344;1468791467;asciilifeform;(see one thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502503 )
1504345;1468791467;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 15:38 asciilifeform: (why do 1,001 sound cards need to exist?)
1504346;1468791477;Framedragger;asciilifeform: do you think arm is by now a pit of hell, too? it *is* much more RISKy after all, designs clearer and well documented (iirc?) etc
1504347;1468791507;mircea_popescu;i don't dispute his conclusion - result will likely be pile of shit. nevertheless, the process is important.
1504348;1468791509;asciilifeform;because 1) even more of a monoculture than x86 - ALL extant arms use licensed opaque chip library blob,
1504349;1468791512;Framedragger;such project potential for tmsr after all! (of course redundancy is bad)
1504350;1468791518;mircea_popescu;it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit"
1504351;1468791520;asciilifeform;2) NO EXTANT ARM has anything like documented i/o
1504352;1468791520;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: good point
1504353;1468791523;asciilifeform;as in, gpu, etc
1504354;1468791549;Framedragger;hm, ok, right.
1504355;1468791571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that is not necessarily a germane point. no extant arm requires you to NOT write your fucking own.
1504356;1468791581;asciilifeform;worse yet, there are at least a dozen incompatible arms.
1504357;1468791600;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: chip without i/o is ~useless.
1504358;1468791653;asciilifeform;and even very humble iotrons are undocumented. last year i did an experiment, tried to find a NIC that is 1) still in production 2) has NO MAGIC BLOBS ANYWHERE. result: 0
1504359;1468791695;asciilifeform;they ALL have turing-complete thing inside, and update (typically nonpersistent, but not always) blobs inside the vendor's binary drivers.
1504360;1468791696;Framedragger;(firmware situation and things like wifi cards are atrocious indeed, it seems)
1504361;1468791701;mircea_popescu;fpga your own tho.
1504362;1468791705;asciilifeform;on what?!
1504363;1468791710;asciilifeform;there IS NOT AN FPGA
1504364;1468791712;mircea_popescu;IN PRINCIPLE
1504365;1468791714;mircea_popescu;mwahahaha!
1504366;1468791714;Framedragger;asciilifeform: including the ones in the mobile phones, of course - yay!!1
1504367;1468791749;mircea_popescu;anyway. while the situation is dire, no contest - the solution will be of the nature of a SOLUTION. ie, applying solvent.
1504368;1468791757;mircea_popescu;there's no possible contest on that point, either.
1504369;1468791782;mircea_popescu;not doing because "You can't do" is how 15yo virgins end up 25 yo virgins. the fucking point is to go ask the girl that'"d never say yes"
1504370;1468791795;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504350 << ....so the signing of the contract with large megacorp in my future 50s is the faustian contract with the devil?? (well... minus the "all the knowledge in the world"... and minus the girls, too)
1504371;1468791795;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 21:38 mircea_popescu: it is safe to say the result of a life dedicated to science will idem be "pile of shit"
1504372;1468791815;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the only guarantee life comes with is that it will have been wasted.
1504373;1468791829;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: a good thing to remember, hm!
1504374;1468791878;asciilifeform;there is waste, and then there is waste: to ask gurl out is one thing, to persist in fucking a hole in a tree and praying to odin to turn it into a girl, unlike the last 9,999 times the hole was fucked, is quite another.
1504375;1468791889;asciilifeform;and in some cases the two situations are readily distinguishable to naked eye.
1504376;1468791892;asciilifeform;x86 os is the latter.
1504377;1468791895;mircea_popescu;depends. the latter makes a better story for burning man.
1504378;1468791905;mircea_popescu;jesus check out my epic joke code!
1504379;1468791937;Framedragger;asciilifeform: re turing-complete blobs in hardware, i recall http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/SamsungGalaxyBackdoor oh the wonder - you can have your "like android but moar open source omg" OS all you like, your mobile operator can still fuck you any time of day any day
1504380;1468791978;mircea_popescu;Framedragger historically, location contracts come with a key for the actual owner.
1504381;1468791989;mircea_popescu;this idea of "my machine" has serious problems when you're discussing a phone
1504382;1468791991;asciilifeform;writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma to the whole bus, is a laugh
1504383;1468791994;mircea_popescu;soviet phones were owned by state corp, say.
1504384;1468792005;asciilifeform;ditto 'open' os for a pc where closed gpu has dma.
1504385;1468792014;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1504386;1468792015;asciilifeform;the whole dma thing is a riot.
1504387;1468792039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imagine for a second such a thing as a proper controlled-by-owner-computer phone existed.
1504388;1468792046;mircea_popescu;what now ? how do you get carrier to... carry it ?
1504389;1468792062;asciilifeform;and yes, phone belongs to the carrier, in the sense that anyone found selling phonez which do unsanctioned things, and not necessarily limited to interfering with neighbour's phone (say, proper crypto) will Have Problems very quickly.
1504390;1468792063;mircea_popescu;a phone is, definitionally, NOT a computer. nor can it be, and arguably should not be.
1504391;1468792096;mircea_popescu;the derpage of people pretending to do their copmputing on "smart" phones is, to my eyes, way the fuck more ridiculous than the attempt to you know, make a "small kernel"
1504392;1468792114;mircea_popescu;nobody burns them down, so i suppose there's lots of space for ridiculous on the street.
1504393;1468792136;asciilifeform;well, phone can be coaxed into reading www, email, etc.
1504394;1468792140;mircea_popescu;so ?
1504395;1468792142;Framedragger;..and yet allegedly smart cs d00dz want to speak to me about anonymous publishing on the internets (yes i know, quite oxymoronic) with these little shits in their pockets
1504396;1468792147;asciilifeform;so this bloats expectations.
1504397;1468792148;mircea_popescu;sheep can be coaxed into bleating in tune. is this an orchestra now ?
1504398;1468792154;mircea_popescu;remarkable sheep. NOT remarkable musician.
1504399;1468792157;asciilifeform;aha.
1504400;1468792183;Framedragger;insulting as fuck
1504401;1468792183;asciilifeform;lel, 'anonymous' on a device that relies on accurate positional fix to even work at all.
1504402;1468792190;mircea_popescu;^
1504403;1468792204;asciilifeform;(and this is applicable to all variants, 'smart' and 'unsmart' etc)
1504404;1468792222;mircea_popescu;see, the fetishism thing again. it "could" be so therefore ~= is.
1504405;1468792230;mircea_popescu;these idiots built their entire minds on this broken equation.
1504406;1468792240;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504382 << this is actually a well-compressed rebuttal which shall be employed in the future.
1504407;1468792240;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 21:46 asciilifeform: writing 'open' whatevers for a machine where a closed radio has dma to the whole bus, is a laugh
1504408;1468792247;mircea_popescu;the dao "could work" so therefore FUTURE OF CURRENCIEH OMAIGERD
1504409;1468792248;mircea_popescu;etc etc.
1504410;1468792256;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you can save astonishing piles of mental cpu cycles, time, sweat, by ignoring the obvious imbeciles, e.g., 'anon on phone'
1504411;1468792263;asciilifeform;this is a heuristic you can take straight to the bank.
1504412;1468792271;mircea_popescu;bank won't take it.
1504413;1468792276;asciilifeform;the other bank.
1504414;1468792283;asciilifeform;the one with arbolito or whichever.
1504415;1468792287;Framedragger;hehe
1504416;1468792296;Framedragger;asciilifeform: good point, i should know better
1504417;1468792454;asciilifeform;re: small kernel, recall the retro unix thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488603
1504418;1468792454;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 18:53 asciilifeform: kinda how i boot up that cute x86 systemv and then notice that it is PALPABLY slow on modern pentium because it lacks ANY disk cache etc.
1504419;1468792470;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504161 << reading the line above, i was going to ask, "can you explain the case for secure + instant" ?
1504420;1468792470;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 16:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: pgp. drop the 'I'.
1504421;1468792480;asciilifeform;it is a sort of inverse of the parable with the rabbi who tells schmuck to 'put in the goat and the sheep, in your house, then slowly expel them'
1504422;1468792495;mircea_popescu;this isn't just a happenstance. while it's probably not deliberately constructed, it's nevertheless a CONSTRUCT. ie, part of a culture, which depends on it.
1504423;1468792504;asciilifeform;as soon as you start putting in the missing pieces to make the system actually usable in practice (e.g., no 15 second delay on 'ls' command) you end up with... linux.
1504424;1468792506;deedbot;[Trilema] Sa ne bem siropul si sa ne cunoastem hip-hopul - http://trilema.com/2016/sa-ne-bem-siropul-si-sa-ne-cunoastem-hip-hopul/
1504425;1468792508;asciilifeform;complete with driver babel.
1504426;1468792516;mircea_popescu;the notion that you WANT "instant" messaging is simply begging the question - you thereby and therefore DO NOT want secure, or workable, or sane.
1504427;1468792534;mircea_popescu;much like asking "how do you make working social security" skews the discussion into nonsense.
1504428;1468792595;mircea_popescu;there's a lot of these strands of cocktopus stuck in each and every pie. how do you have "democratic" syria ? turns out that you don't - you either have "democratic" yet-another-flyover-state ; or else syria.
1504429;1468792610;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1504430;1468792667;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504163 << and coups organized by people who don't know each other (to the degree that they actually use facebook.whatever)... fail. though the department of state idiocy in turkey was not even accomplished enough to merit the name of failure, properly speaking.
1504431;1468792667;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 16:51 Framedragger: difficult to organize coups without the 'I'. the (shitty shitty) turkey coup used whatsapp incidentally
1504432;1468792777;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sure, i see your point regarding implicit assumptions in "instant messaging" etc.; but on a technical point, they allow for pfs through 'session secrets' without having a bunch of pre-computed keys (unknown status of distaste @ these terms here)
1504433;1468792808;mircea_popescu;it is not clear that otp actually works ; it is almost certain nothing else in the "pfs" gargle does.
1504434;1468792828;mircea_popescu;i think we broached this before ; anyway - perfect forward secrecy is not a trivial matter.
1504435;1468792840;mircea_popescu;otr* i mean.
1504436;1468792848;Framedragger;re otr, okay, it's not definite, sure.
1504437;1468792851;Framedragger;and, yeah
1504438;1468792871;Framedragger;well, i'll want near-instant-something anyway. perhaps i'm spoiled by teh culture around me (not facebook etc, but more like, well, irc)
1504439;1468792880;mircea_popescu;my evaluation of it was "rewrite" rather than "import" fwiw. but unlike tor, i have no beef with it as of yet.
1504440;1468792888;Framedragger;right.
1504441;1468792893;Framedragger;(good to know)
1504442;1468792939;mircea_popescu;this is insanity, though. suppose tomorrow you decide to implement say http://trilema.com/2013/nobody-could-have-foreseen-their-using-a-plane-like-a-rocket/
1504443;1468792952;Framedragger;but it was nice to understand where "gossip" comes from in gossipd: it's all about *not* providing any authenticity of source (beyond "this is coming from my wot")
1504444;1468792964;mircea_popescu;so you have it all, the warehouses bought, the parts delivered, drones are assembled and ready to. for whatever reason you need to syncronize this. and whaty you will do is...
1504445;1468792973;mircea_popescu;"everyone tune in #trilema and listen for me saying go" ?
1504446;1468792975;mircea_popescu;why the fuck.
1504447;1468793004;mircea_popescu;Framedragger aha, yeah. more than that : "this is coming from my wot IF YOU ARE IN IT. maybe i'm lying to you, fucker."
1504448;1468793028;Framedragger;yeah.
1504449;1468793060;Framedragger;which is a fresh perspective for sure, regarding 'infosec' etc
1504450;1468793113;mircea_popescu;generally, tmsr stuff is very powerfully innovative exactly for this reason : that it utterly rejects ~very well selected~ priors commonly shared by "community consensus". it's a bunch of people that "can't spell properly", but not for lack of knowing grammar.
1504451;1468793119;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re. need for synchronization, different needs for different cases? (also, near-instantaneous doesn't imply synchronous or even "with retained order" (not under all interpretations anyway))
1504452;1468793183;mircea_popescu;my point there is that you are confusing two incompatible things : the market and the general staff. there is exactly no overlap between these structurally dijunct items ; and entities that tried to use the same for both (example - classical polish-lithuanian commonwealth) failed miserably FOR THIS REASON.
1504453;1468793184;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: this, incidentally and admittedly, is probably why i'm reading logz and half-lurking and all that, to be honest with you
1504454;1468793206;mircea_popescu;whart we do here would suffer from delay ; but would not benefit from encryption. shit, there's a log anyway.
1504455;1468793210;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ah. right, sure ok
1504456;1468793230;mircea_popescu;what they do in the war room does not benefit from "near instantaenous". contrary to what the ustards in that position think.
1504457;1468793231;Framedragger;(agree with examples too)
1504458;1468793251;mircea_popescu;you know that bit of history ? definitely worth reading, the fall of the republic of both nations.
1504459;1468793281;mircea_popescu;in its heyday, arguably the dominant power in europe.
1504460;1468793294;Framedragger;i know to some extent but not well enough, and i'd need to find credible sources (what we've been fed in high school re this is no good, teh lithuanian perspective etc etc)
1504461;1468793298;Framedragger;sure
1504462;1468793355;Framedragger;(i've read afterwards but honestly it's still shit)
1504463;1468793372;mircea_popescu;myeah. well... read the source material. fortunately the fellows were literate, and recorded in latin.
1504464;1468793393;mircea_popescu;i dunno, maybe it's opaque without a lot of other bits not directly obvious to me ; but until i hear better i'll continue to believe it directly works.
1504465;1468793477;mircea_popescu;(and as a general rule, never read a summary unless you own the producer.)
1504466;1468793528;Framedragger;the latter seems hard on a practical level, even if very admirable. maybe it's a rationalization of my laziness, though
1504467;1468793544;mircea_popescu;Framedragger btw, since we're on this : you know the story of sobieski and his siege of piatra neamt ?
1504468;1468793591;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> soviet phones were owned by state corp, say. << Many phones still owned by descendants of original AT&T still collect rent
1504469;1468793600;mircea_popescu;aha.
1504470;1468793720;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: no!
1504471;1468793734;mircea_popescu;haha. ok, ima produce an english version of the official romanian story thereof.
1504472;1468793754;mircea_popescu;come back, one hour!
1504473;1468793772;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hey - cool.
1504474;1468793806;Framedragger;(re. latin, thanks / agree, though my latin would only be good for spotting some grammar/syntax errors in modern latin, heh. but yeah...)
1504475;1468794098;*;Framedragger off to bed for the time being tho. laters.
1504476;1468795607;BingoBoingo;$up Sinclair_
1504477;1468795607;deedbot;Sinclair_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1504478;1468799374;shinohai;bash <(curl https://get.parity.io -Lk)   "Use our simple one line installer!"
1504479;1468800356;mircea_popescu;ahaha for srs ?
1504480;1468800551;shinohai;No gpg signature, nor offer to review source in sight.
1504481;1468801228;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504433 << holy shit, not this again ?!
1504482;1468801228;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 22:00 mircea_popescu: it is not clear that otp actually works ; it is almost certain nothing else in the "pfs" gargle does.
1504483;1468801239;asciilifeform;otp is the ~only~ thing that ~provably~ worx.
1504484;1468801250;mircea_popescu;OTR!
1504485;1468801268;asciilifeform;hey i read the 'p' that was actually there, lel
1504486;1468801275;mircea_popescu;what can i tell you :)
1504487;1468801289;asciilifeform;otr is a sad sack of crumbled brick, yes.
1504488;1468801353;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1504489;1468801559;asciilifeform;are there even any extant 'otr' that don't pull in gtk, truetype, ..., etc. ?
1504490;1468801577;asciilifeform;and that don't figure in every 20th or so 0day bulletin ?
1504491;1468801721;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504426 << at the risk of repeating ancient thread: real-time comms are ~costly~. because they leak bits that you may not wish leaked.
1504492;1468801721;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 21:55 mircea_popescu: the notion that you WANT "instant" messaging is simply begging the question - you thereby and therefore DO NOT want secure, or workable, or sane.
1504493;1468801754;asciilifeform;it is known to me, for instance, that usg is presently spending stupendous sums on 'biometric' profiling of typing pattern, for as many victims as possible.
1504494;1468801764;asciilifeform;why would you want to leak keypress timings if it can be avoided ?
1504495;1468801769;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no.
1504496;1468801794;asciilifeform;which no
1504497;1468801806;mircea_popescu;otr w/o the mandatory imperial shitstack.
1504498;1468801811;asciilifeform;aha.
1504499;1468801967;asciilifeform;(why profile typing rhythms? plenty of reasons - pull passphrases from audio bugs - incl. ordinary phones, pierce layers of faux-anonymity, etc.)
1504500;1468802637;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu re: http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii , didja ever see mega-film 'ogniem i mieczem' ?
1504501;1468802637;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1504502;1468802672;asciilifeform;(it was a 3-parter, took ~40 years to make whole thing...)
1504503;1468802690;mircea_popescu;nope.
1504504;1468802749;asciilifeform;it is almost synonymous in my head with rzeczpospolita and the period.
1504505;1468802756;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1504506;1468802769;deedbot;[Trilema] Sobieski si romanii - http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii/
1504507;1468802837;*;mircea_popescu adds to list.
1504508;1468802887;*;asciilifeform whistles the impalement theme from 'ogniem i mieczem'...
1504509;1468803328;shinohai;$s http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Jul/51
1504510;1468803328;a111;1 results for "http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2016/Jul/51", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fseclists.org%2Ffulldisclosure%2F2016%2FJul%2F51
1504511;1468803348;*;mircea_popescu ended up reading ancient gravestones from that translation, get a load of this : 
1504512;1468803388;mircea_popescu;"in a dumnezeirei carte e scris ca omul se desparte de tot ce-i e mai drag pe lume, dar sfinta carte spune-anume ca despartirea nu-i pe vecie, ca revedere-o sa mai fie. nu-ti spun adio, la revedere! la revedere-n alte sfere!"
1504513;1468803427;asciilifeform;shinohai: lulzy, and typical
1504514;1468803469;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who was this
1504515;1468803494;mircea_popescu;leon negruzzi, dead 1890
1504516;1468803502;mircea_popescu;ie, this is his epitaph.
1504517;1468803525;asciilifeform;neato
1504518;1468803536;asciilifeform;(it was very obviously epitaph, but i had nfi whose)
1504519;1468803540;mircea_popescu;it's not bad! and afik, never written down before!
1504520;1468803553;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy was a poet/novelist mostly.
1504521;1468803606;asciilifeform;'...all the grain needed to support a village fits in a hole so small you won't likely find it in a week of searching. A week you don't have.' << this led to many lulz during ru time of troubles in 1920s
1504522;1468803613;mircea_popescu;oya.
1504523;1468803622;asciilifeform;'продразверстка'
1504524;1468803647;mircea_popescu;first i read that as "prophylaxia"
1504525;1468803707;asciilifeform;lel
1504526;1468807332;thestringpuller;shinohai: http://qntra.net/2016/07/steem-hacked/#comment-64481 << turns out it is "accidental ponzi" from mass adoption. conclusion: if all top posters pull their earnings price goes to 0 and everyone loses.
1504527;1468808621;asciilifeform;wtf is an 'accidental ponzi' ?
1504528;1468808834;hanbot;asciilifeform it's when they don't deliberately tent their fingers with evil glee (or alternatively, pet a sleeping cat from comfortable armchair) afore launching Plans to Set the Werld on Fire.
1504529;1468808861;asciilifeform;l0lk
1504530;1468810890;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504212 << perversely, what has been contemplated was not throwing it out but "what if i made one myself!"
1504531;1468810890;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:03 Framedragger: (well to be true, 'throw away openssl' has been seriously contemplated by any a folk recently, i would wager a guess. but perhaps much less so with the latter, sure.)
1504532;1468810922;mircea_popescu;sorta like "revolution was contemplated before" ; "yes, but not in the sense of beheading the king ~AND REPLACING IT WITH NO OTHER KING!~"
1504533;1468811142;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504216 << isn't this kinda strange ? the sum total of their reflectivity is inept bullshit a la "how many women" etc. this is generally the halmark of stupid people, n'est pas.
1504534;1468811142;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:06 Framedragger: sure, open source culture is mostly a pile of crap, with little to no reflection on the culture *itself*, hard to disagree with you here.
1504535;1468811227;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504226 << you know for the record i'm altogether unclear on this point.
1504536;1468811227;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:11 asciilifeform: the c-machine is an idiot foundation, which inevitably breeds the pests we are familiar with.
1504537;1468811362;mircea_popescu;not necessarily because i'm proposing "data" ie, "here's a meaningless, unstructured pile" or "gotta do your sorting in software because we're too busy doing three level caching and besides, not like sorting is a solved problem" are workable technological choices.
1504538;1468811401;mircea_popescu;but altogether the argument seems to me something like "stick shift vehicle will always end in a crash".
1504539;1468811456;asciilifeform;large, e.g., mining trucks, had auto gearboxes as soon as it was practical... even in su
1504540;1468811466;asciilifeform;for approximately this reason.
1504541;1468811472;mircea_popescu;there's large trucks, even now, with clutch.
1504542;1468811491;asciilifeform;speaking of massive off-road things
1504543;1468811492;mircea_popescu;DOUBLE clutch, mind you.
1504544;1468811622;asciilifeform;i call this notion 'correct C fallacy'. as in, 'if yer hands dun grow from yer arse, you can write Correct C!!'
1504545;1468811764;asciilifeform;which is a fallacy because... correct-c still is not conducive to fits-in-head; is not readily distinguishable by naked eye from underhanded-c; cannot provide rational guarantees of handling error conditions mid-way; and 10,001 other defects that don't look like defects to folks who grew up with crippled systems
1504546;1468812164;mircea_popescu;from the other direction : while i wouldn't throw away better machines if someone offered some - nobody does.
1504547;1468812221;asciilifeform;the wartime expedient is to... emulate the bettermachine.
1504548;1468812229;mircea_popescu;consider the practical, smaller example of blog software. you ... can;t use it ; i can.
1504549;1468812235;asciilifeform;this can be done, within limits.
1504550;1468818483;BingoBoingo;c machine http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/my-int-is-too-big
1504551;1468818846;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/c/ca/Pokemon_go_tips.jpg/400px-Pokemon_go_tips.jpg
1504552;1468840538;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504528   <<< best definition ever.
1504553;1468840538;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 02:27 hanbot: asciilifeform it's when they don't deliberately tent their fingers with evil glee (or alternatively, pet a sleeping cat from comfortable armchair) afore launching Plans to Set the Werld on Fire.
1504554;1468840908;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://66.media.tumblr.com/13534c9f65c51506b534af2f2612b143/tumblr_nmnauuD7wf1tmg9jco1_1280.jpg
1504555;1468840983;shinohai;Well, every office needs one. Or 7.
1504556;1468841049;mircea_popescu;sorta like it's the job of the chick playing the cleric to go under the table once the raid's done ?
1504557;1468841122;shinohai;>.<
1504558;1468841135;mircea_popescu;from teh office slut biweekly : http://66.media.tumblr.com/0f4e3d3d6e4c616c934fd7b315738f50/tumblr_nkta07rDx11s8rwvgo1_r1_400.gif
1504559;1468841176;shinohai;Is this what a board meeting of tmsr would look like?
1504560;1468841181;mircea_popescu;incidentally, weird that the capon population doesn't come up with this, you know ? there should be The Office Slut, a magazine, depicting and discussing items of juvenile interest.
1504561;1468841185;mircea_popescu;naw.
1504562;1468841199;mircea_popescu;this is a broad meeting not a board meeting.
1504563;1468841224;mircea_popescu;"this is melissa, she'll be our sexcretary today"
1504564;1468841335;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504550 << nice find bb
1504565;1468841335;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 05:08 BingoBoingo: c machine http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/my-int-is-too-big
1504566;1468841457;mircea_popescu;especially his discussion of kqueue and the hashtable/array duality + fd_getfile workings strictly indicates a) he's an idiot ; b) that http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/ 's "This is what cargo cultism is, you see : memetic stupidity, inescapable for the aculturated. Even if they try. Especially if they try." is exactly right and, sadly, c) that alf is exactly correct : we can't have computers as a continuation
1504567;1468841457;mircea_popescu; of the current shit.
1504568;1468841499;mircea_popescu;i don't agree with his illuministic/humanitarian blaming of the hardware, i believe we can't have computers until and unless impaling every single derp currently involved in computing in any capacity, but this looks like a dispute for the ages.
1504569;1468842079;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/150k
1504570;1468842079;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1504571;1468843399;shinohai;http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117699   <<< bwahaha this guy actually asked you to cryptocat mircea_popescu ? LOLOL
1504572;1468843425;shinohai;Always got to have a shitty app/
1504573;1468843476;mircea_popescu;i dunno wtf is with them.
1504574;1468844255;thestringpuller;shinohai: Steem bubble may pop soon. Accidental ponzis never last long.
1504575;1468844315;thestringpuller;Not enough BTC capital providing bid depth compared to market cap. Feel bad for makeup girl who "earned $20k". Probably would have made more showing her tits here.
1504576;1468844384;shinohai;I fully expect every scamcoin I write about to vaporize in an amazing flash of bright white light someday.
1504577;1468844720;deedbot;[Trilema] His dumb is too thick - http://trilema.com/2016/his-dumb-is-too-thick/
1504578;1468844845;Framedragger;damn mircea_popescu, your wordspersec rate is good. (and i'm yet to read the siege story!)
1504579;1468845417;Framedragger;(i mean, what with translation and everything)
1504580;1468845438;Framedragger;(typo, s/Semptember/September/ )
1504581;1468845958;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re "Your name is enough cannon, Highness, said Pototki." << (just curious: is the wordplay present in romanian, too?)
1504582;1468846998;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: great story, much appreciate
1504583;1468847041;Framedragger;so the iablonovski fellow was the same who had advised against the siege, and who insisted on the jagers' bravery and terms of surrender afterwards
1504584;1468847139;Framedragger;...but yeah. the last para is a kind of foreshadowing i imagine, skeleton of a giant and all. such a strong image, incl of what's to come for them...
1504585;1468848221;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504568 << the impalement is inescapable. i simply object to the notion of sparing the hardware they built - it is every bit as insidiously and infectiously idiotic as all of their software creations.
1504586;1468848221;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 11:31 mircea_popescu: i don't agree with his illuministic/humanitarian blaming of the hardware, i believe we can't have computers until and unless impaling every single derp currently involved in computing in any capacity, but this looks like a dispute for the ages.
1504587;1468848990;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504584 << (just realized the 'giant' refers to the fortress itself. but works just as well)
1504588;1468848990;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 13:05 Framedragger: ...but yeah. the last para is a kind of foreshadowing i imagine, skeleton of a giant and all. such a strong image, incl of what's to come for them...
1504589;1468849603;jurov;http://www.darpa.mil/program/cyber-grand-challenge << just to see alf frothing ;)
1504590;1468849607;jurov;"Cyber Grand Challenge: a competition that seeks to create automatic defensive systems capable of reasoning about flaws, formulating patches and deploying them on a network in real time."
1504591;1468849686;shinohai;Maybe there could be a dapp for that.
1504592;1468850074;asciilifeform;jurov: know that, if i had not escaped from rupturefarms, i would be sent there.
1504593;1468850221;asciilifeform;jurov: i ended up in a delegation to an even lamer darpa thing, at one point, it was lysenko-level crapolade
1504594;1468850242;asciilifeform;chronicled, i think, in the l0gz, somewhere
1504595;1468850311;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474773 << thread.
1504596;1468850311;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 17:49 asciilifeform: btw when i went down into the snakepit with several dozen renowned 'cryptographers' earlier this year, i asked a few folks about this.
1504597;1468851592;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.241 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.13.241@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E3E9002C721814E2C39E9F4BD4B5016523A5ADD56F7C40A0563637241CE
1504598;1468851592;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.15.27 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.15.27 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.15.27@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/203F16439790F93F40EDE8B6DDC2D70A8576C55FDB4E41ECD2480E4DB243AB1
1504599;1468851636;asciilifeform;moar mexican dsl.
1504600;1468851658;shinohai;Estamos seguros!
1504601;1468851697;asciilifeform;$s sodamigo
1504602;1468851698;a111;1 results for "sodamigo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sodamigo
1504603;1468851715;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ty.
1504604;1468852221;shinohai;I DM'd Stephan Tual on twitter to ask why he blocked me. Reply was that "you write fabricated information on The Dao and I believe you to be in league with mircea_popescu".
1504605;1468852224;shinohai;lol
1504606;1468852734;thestringpuller;Stephen Tual doesn't like mircea_popescu ?!?
1504607;1468852748;mircea_popescu;who's that again ?
1504608;1468852755;mircea_popescu;Framedragger wordplay not present ; note that this is a work of fiction - for instance the "killing of the commander of artillery" actually happened during a siege by mahomed 2. apud giovanni maria angiolello, Venetian banker to the sultan : "Era il resto di Suzava con fossi et palanche circondata, le case et chiese erano di legname coperte di scandole, solamente un castello v'era fabricato di pietra et calcina, a coste, et d
1504609;1468852755;mircea_popescu;i fuora della terra, il quale si teneva, et era fornito, ma perche le vettovarie erano venute a manco, non si stette a perder tempo, et ritornato il campo per un'altra via, venissemo ad un forte castello, posto in monte, nel quale si trovava esser li prigioni del Turco, che furono presi l'anno avanti supra inverno, quando fu rotto Soliman Bassa, et fatta esperienza de haver detta fortezza, vi furono piantate sette bocche di b
1504610;1468852756;mircea_popescu;ombarde, et per otto giorni si fece pruovi di haverla, si ruppero due di quelle bombarde, et quelli ch'erano nella fortezza non volsero mai haver parlamento, et tutti si difendevano con l'artegliarie et non si curavano di noi."
1504611;1468852813;shinohai;He's the fatso from the slock.it team.
1504612;1468852829;mircea_popescu;i can't quote the item for lacking a title ; romanian copies are curated and collected by ioan ursu as "historia turchesca 1300-1514), editura academiei romane, 1910 - where it's found at page 91 and urm.
1504613;1468852871;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller http://trilema.com/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker might have something to do with it.
1504614;1468852900;thestringpuller;Slock.it adding more problems to the p2p market. I asked someone once, "What keeps people from just stealing your bike once the slock is unlocked?" "Uh I dunno. We never got that far."
1504615;1468852948;mircea_popescu;(i only bother with the reference because it's a very convenient example of many thousands extant that "nobody knows about".)
1504616;1468853049;thestringpuller;Anyone else notice a trend that altcoins with high BTC trade volume tend to go accidental ponzi?
1504617;1468853065;mircea_popescu;there;s a group of pumpers working them.
1504618;1468853088;thestringpuller;i think only LTC has some liquidity on the bid side...
1504619;1468853141;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/his-dumb-is-too-thick/#comment-118124
1504620;1468853170;thestringpuller;I also just realized Steem copied Qntra's model. Have BTC investors, pay for content creators to create content.
1504621;1468853184;thestringpuller;Just Steem is ponzi-fying it, while Qntra actually works...
1504622;1468853365;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504585 <<  on that statement of it we can prolly fall to agreement.
1504623;1468853365;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 13:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504568 << the impalement is inescapable. i simply object to the notion of sparing the hardware they built - it is every bit as insidiously and infectiously idiotic as all of their software creations.
1504624;1468853432;asciilifeform;see earlier comment. all roads to sanity lead to some variant of lisp machine.
1504625;1468853483;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504597 << a) beautiful to see phuctor work as gcd proper, innit ? and b) wtf is with these broken ssh keys, they're all used on narrow ip spaces. third case today it's xx.xx.xx.yy vs xx.xx.xx.zz sort of thing ?
1504626;1468853483;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 14:19 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '177.234.13.241 (ssh-rsa key from 177.234.13.241 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+177.234.13.241@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1E3E9002C721814E2C39E9F4BD4B5016523A5ADD56F7C40A0563637241CE
1504627;1468853496;mircea_popescu;isn't this proof positive of DELIBERATE broken ssh key generation ? ie, context-dependent ?
1504628;1468853498;asciilifeform;and, more generally speaking, AGGRESSIVE debabelization - BURN the 10,001 video boards, we need ONE; BURN the 10,001 allocators - we need ONE, in silicon; etc
1504629;1468853552;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504604 << i lolled.
1504630;1468853552;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 14:30 shinohai: I DM'd Stephan Tual on twitter to ask why he blocked me. Reply was that "you write fabricated information on The Dao and I believe you to be in league with mircea_popescu".
1504631;1468853587;mircea_popescu;can you imagine all the dudebro biscuit eating going around in poorly lit, unventilated basements while chanting my name and pretending the bit of plastic up their butt is really my penis ?
1504632;1468853751;mircea_popescu;$up reydev
1504633;1468853751;deedbot;reydev voiced for 30 minutes.
1504634;1468853835;reydev;good day all
1504635;1468853841;*;mircea_popescu waves
1504636;1468853883;reydev;just wanted to leave this here for whatever its worth http://www.weboftrust.info/
1504637;1468853913;mircea_popescu;is this your production ?
1504638;1468853917;reydev;not at all
1504639;1468853922;asciilifeform;'The Web of Trust is a buzzword for a new model of decentralized self-sovereign identity. It’s a phrase that dates back almost twenty-five years, the classic definition derives from PGP. But some use it as a term to include self-sovereign identity authentication & verification, certificate validation, and reputation assessment, while the vibrant blockchain community is also drawing new attention to the concept we aim to reboot it.'
1504640;1468853922;asciilifeform; << l0l!!
1504641;1468853931;asciilifeform;REBOOT IT!!111111
1504642;1468853931;mircea_popescu;any conceivable reason we'd care ?
1504643;1468853955;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for as long as they have the sense to stay out of the reach of the fortress that sunk teh ether-dao, they'll be fine.
1504644;1468853956;asciilifeform;VIBRANT BLOCKCHAIN KOMMOOYYYYOOOOONITYY!11
1504645;1468853966;mircea_popescu;for any value of fine that reduces to "flail meaninglessly among themselves"
1504646;1468853976;shinohai;reboot = using 99 cent rattle can of paint to change colour?
1504647;1468853983;mircea_popescu;aha.
1504648;1468853994;asciilifeform;shinohai: nah, own liquishit, sprayed directly
1504649;1468854001;mircea_popescu;imagine, some fucktards are going to have "the greaters impact" on "self-sovereign identity"
1504650;1468854021;mircea_popescu;the only impact they'll have on anything is if i decide to use their skulls to remodel a wall. then they'll impact alright, and even temporarily color things.
1504651;1468854036;reydev;hmm
1504652;1468854082;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504648  <<<< this makes for better slogan "You can have your WoT in any color you like, as long as it's brown."
1504653;1468854082;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 14:59 asciilifeform: shinohai: nah, own liquishit, sprayed directly
1504654;1468854106;mircea_popescu;ahahaha, christopher allen "principal architect at blockstream"
1504655;1468854107;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1504656;1468854159;mircea_popescu;not even "bunch of illiterate kids reinventing the world without bothering to check up the dictionary first", but the usual case of "imbeciles still jacking off to the notion VC can stand up to MP".
1504657;1468854232;mircea_popescu;anyway, archived as https://archive.is/SiBb5 and https://archive.is/8ffqQ just in case someone wants the names for whatever kill list later on
1504658;1468854240;mircea_popescu;reydev thanks for reporting.
1504659;1468854442;reydev;while i'm up, can i ask wrt qntra, is it meant to be non-profit? as in, is the idea that shareholders are like sponsors?
1504660;1468854513;thestringpuller;qntra has ways to monetize beyond having consumers paying shareholders
1504661;1468854570;mircea_popescu;reydev why non profit ? it's currently worth more than gawker.
1504662;1468854573;mircea_popescu;seems rather profitable.
1504663;1468854585;thestringpuller;^- not for shareholders (yet)
1504664;1468854631;mircea_popescu;how not ? you own a share of x item that's worth a lot.
1504665;1468854661;mircea_popescu;reydev anyway, nothing keeping you from joining... the web of trust. you'll likely be able to self voice, at least unless/until you go militantly stupid.
1504666;1468854671;reydev;im already in it
1504667;1468854678;reydev;have it all set up
1504668;1468854683;reydev;im just not at the computer
1504669;1468854725;mircea_popescu;$gettrust assbot reydev
1504670;1468854725;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1504671;1468854728;mircea_popescu;ah cool.
1504672;1468854862;reydev;anyhow, i dont see the revenue model for qntra if there is any, is there something to read about it?
1504673;1468855134;mircea_popescu;if qntra sells to... i dunno, who hasn't bought anything in a while, apple say ? for a perfectly market-reasonable hundred billion dollars, then a shareholder that bought however many shares for however many bitcents will receive however many hundreds of millions of dollars.
1504674;1468855162;mircea_popescu;that's the revenue model of EVERYTHING else, why'd you go "i don't see the qntra revenue model" ? do you go around saying "i don't see the linkedin revenue model" ?
1504675;1468855168;mircea_popescu;because i expect you should.
1504676;1468855204;asciilifeform;who, i wonder, would continue to write for qntra after this hypothetical crapocalypse ?
1504677;1468855223;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seeing how it comes with 1 bitcent = 100mn dollars, i would expect EVERYONE.
1504678;1468855224;asciilifeform;(and why would, e.g., crapple, buy it? other than to kill)
1504679;1468855254;mircea_popescu;think : who's raping who here ? the game is not "does usg rape us or doesn't it". it's "have raped it yet ?" not binary but unary, only one final state available.
1504680;1468855261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it buys it so WE kill it.
1504681;1468855270;asciilifeform;ah, berlin '45
1504682;1468855277;asciilifeform;long way off.
1504683;1468855296;reydev;i doubt most of these social media sites will ever be profitable? except indeed for the ones issuing the shares
1504684;1468855298;asciilifeform;i dun even own a chronoscope powerful enough to see this.
1504685;1468855309;mircea_popescu;what's the russian expression, карниз ? :D
1504686;1468855320;mircea_popescu;reydev so is linkedin profitable ?
1504687;1468855329;reydev;i doubt it
1504688;1468855334;mircea_popescu;but for the shareholders ?
1504689;1468855341;reydev;probably big time yeah
1504690;1468855352;mircea_popescu;no media item in the history of items was ever profitable in the aluminum siding sense of profitability.
1504691;1468855362;mircea_popescu;chiefly because... they're not in the business of turning out aluminum siding.
1504692;1468855381;reydev;well youve given me something to ponder
1504693;1468855394;mircea_popescu;you're welcome
1504694;1468855461;reydev;:)
1504695;1468856108;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504253 << this ties in somehow with the typically murican expectation of "Social mobility", but the implications are yet murky.
1504696;1468856108;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:31 asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
1504697;1468856134;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: chumps are almost biologically drawn to 'musical chairs' game
1504698;1468856144;mircea_popescu;aha.
1504699;1468856146;asciilifeform;'IMAWINNNNNNERRR!!'
1504700;1468856159;mircea_popescu;a fool's game, all sound and fury, signifying nothing.
1504701;1468856305;asciilifeform;it is almost as if they all heard napoleon's 'in every private's rucksack there is a feldmarshal's baton'
1504702;1468856346;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504265 << i suspect by now the "3d printed gun" is moreover useful ; afaik work is underway to the typically ustarded pivot of "we're not forbidding weapons - only working ones ; you can still have 3d printed plastic shit! it'll be just as good as the real thing for what you do with it anyway, which is to say jack off".
1504703;1468856346;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 17:57 asciilifeform: in other 'news', this schmuck is still in business, apparently : http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-cody-wilson-ghost-gunner-ar-15
1504704;1468856392;asciilifeform;it so happens that i was reading the docs for his mill machine just now, https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0206/7642/files/GG2_Manual.pdf?4483922796295118618
1504705;1468856404;asciilifeform;it is a fairly ordinary, and very cheaply made, cnc grinder thing
1504706;1468856414;mircea_popescu;i was thinking, looks adequate and no more.
1504707;1468856420;mircea_popescu;not sure worth the 1500, but anyway.
1504708;1468856420;asciilifeform;and, interestingly, won't even make the 'receiver' from aluminum billet, you need a '80% complete' one
1504709;1468856427;asciilifeform;to start from
1504710;1468856430;mircea_popescu;heh
1504711;1468856432;asciilifeform;they are - currently - openly sold in usa
1504712;1468856444;asciilifeform;just like the barrels, clockwork, bolts, etc
1504713;1468856449;asciilifeform;but this could change at the drop of a hat
1504714;1468856464;mircea_popescu;bloomberg piece includes the official ideological discussion of trump, check that out.
1504715;1468856479;asciilifeform;http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0401/8057/products/80_percent_lower_raw_lower_fire_and_safe_1024x1024.jpg?v=1430669926 << subj
1504716;1468856487;mircea_popescu;by now an idiot familiar to soviet journos is well at work in the "mainstream" media. his job ? stick talking points into unrelated items.
1504717;1468856507;mircea_popescu;he tells himself this is a stepping stone to a carrier as congress gofer - where he'll suck his boss' cock and do the same thing to "laws"
1504718;1468856518;mircea_popescu;or whatever you call the multi-folio piles of maculature that place produces.
1504719;1468856520;asciilifeform;(notice, ~all of the tricky metalwork: threading, horizontal drilling - is done)
1504720;1468856583;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504269 <<< guess. heh.
1504721;1468856583;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 18:00 asciilifeform: or why he collects megabux of donation simply to give to lawyers;
1504722;1468856798;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504301 << just the fact that "they were not attacking police deliberately" is now part of the list of factoids aparartchick has to insert into articles is indicative of just how fucking petrified teh usg is.
1504723;1468856798;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 19:58 asciilifeform: 'Mr Vancel said the men were shooting at each other before the officers arrived. "This was not a 'come at police' situation they weren't targeting the police at first - I don't assume so - because these were men out here shooting at each other in an empty parking lot until the police showed up and it turned into a gun battle," he added.' << lel
1504724;1468857041;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504707 << think for a minute. 1500 (about ~triple the cost of making the mill yourself from surplus partz) AND NOW BE ON THE LIST
1504725;1468857041;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 15:40 mircea_popescu: not sure worth the 1500, but anyway.
1504726;1468857055;mircea_popescu;but maybe you like being on lists.
1504727;1468857068;asciilifeform;can get on list for phreee.
1504728;1468857071;asciilifeform;why pay.
1504729;1468857085;mircea_popescu;some people prefer to pay, what can i tell ye.
1504730;1468857325;asciilifeform;'has a machinable area of 8.25″ x 2.95″ x 2.35″, optimized for machining AR-15 and AR-10 receivers' << mega-l0l
1504731;1468857334;asciilifeform;~useless for pretty much anything else...
1504732;1468857363;mircea_popescu;so if i'm going to make like... three ? receivers, why buy this cuisinart for 1500 when i could just buy 3 guns and a six ounce bag from tyrone ?
1504733;1468857383;asciilifeform;recall, it cannot even make ONE from billet
1504734;1468857391;asciilifeform;you still have to order the 'eightypercent' from some vendor
1504735;1468857395;asciilifeform;and get on THAT list also.
1504736;1468857408;mircea_popescu;can you even get what you call "billet", but really is special alloy for rifle parts ?
1504737;1468857431;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ar(m16) 'receiver' is not a pressurized part, it just holds the mag and the trigger clockwork
1504738;1468857438;asciilifeform;folks have made them from wood, etc.
1504739;1468857457;asciilifeform;the traditional item is made of ordinary aluminum.
1504740;1468857462;mircea_popescu;yes, sure. if i was selling a rifle, and it had a wooden reciever, would you buy it ?
1504741;1468857468;mircea_popescu;how about house with cardboard roof ?
1504742;1468857480;asciilifeform;not unless there were no proper ones to be had.
1504743;1468857485;mircea_popescu;how about wife, slightly used, slightly overweight ?
1504744;1468857492;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1504745;1468857504;jurov;you can't cast the 80% there receiver yourself?
1504746;1468857507;mircea_popescu;so i should pay 1500 in new capital outlay to produce replacements for... roadkill ?!
1504747;1468857515;asciilifeform;jurov: can't cast the thread
1504748;1468857526;asciilifeform;jurov: the thing starts life as a casting, yes, though.
1504749;1468857531;mircea_popescu;jurov from aluminum ?! with what, a 300 amp house wiring arrangement ?
1504750;1468857532;jurov;oh it can't machine the thread?
1504751;1468857539;asciilifeform;jurov: nope.
1504752;1468857549;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: folks cast aluminum in jungle conditions all the time, it is not so hard.
1504753;1468857554;asciilifeform;easier, really, than the machining.
1504754;1468857571;jurov;mircea_popescu prolly confused casting and smelting
1504755;1468857600;mircea_popescu;well i was going a little further up the tree.
1504756;1468857606;asciilifeform;e.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHD10DjxM1g
1504757;1468857607;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but it'll get bubbly.
1504758;1468857656;mircea_popescu;what's aluminium, like silver et all, < 1k ?
1504759;1468857662;mircea_popescu;melting temperature i mean
1504760;1468857674;asciilifeform;~700c
1504761;1468857677;mircea_popescu;660 yeah
1504762;1468857766;mircea_popescu;o check it out, tor finally going to meet ripple in that happy space over the horizon ?
1504763;1468857769;mircea_popescu;good fucking riddance.
1504764;1468857782;asciilifeform;lel if only
1504765;1468857810;mircea_popescu;"Tonga will be permanently shut down and all associated crytographic keys destroyed on 2016-08-31. This should give the Tor developers ample time to stand up a substitute. I will terminate the chron job we set up so many years ago at that time that copies over the descriptors." << if there were a bitbet i'd put a little on "there will not be a replacement in time"
1504766;1468857811;asciilifeform;one particular monkey got tired and handed off the master index box to other
1504767;1468857895;*;asciilifeform has long wondered: whether tmsr will have a new bitbet
1504768;1468857909;asciilifeform;it was a handy thing
1504769;1468857927;mats;on the subject, anyone for some ad hoc btcusd options?
1504770;1468857970;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, officially-in-universe, all sorts of things happening for ripple also. to quote, "FXCH Ltd. clears first Blockchain-settled institutional Spot-FX trades", "Ripple named one of top 5 fintechs by Fortune Mazagine" etc etc.
1504771;1468857976;mircea_popescu;mats what'd you use as a price signal ?
1504772;1468857993;mats;bitstamp :(
1504773;1468857997;mircea_popescu;mno.
1504774;1468858021;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it will be an interesting anal piercing moment for the tor aficionados - EVERYBODY gets to 'upgrade'
1504775;1468858029;asciilifeform;(the directory server is hardcoded in, iirc)
1504776;1468858030;mircea_popescu;aww.
1504777;1468858049;asciilifeform;this includes the exit operators.
1504778;1468858066;jurov;mats: you want just speculation or delivery?
1504779;1468858067;mircea_popescu;good thing you can't use timings and other side channels to unmaks them when such a thing happens.
1504780;1468858123;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'unmask', turns out, isn't nearly 'user-friendly' enough for nsa, they would also like arbitrary ram r/w into the chumpers
1504781;1468858134;asciilifeform;ergo 'upgrade!1111 nao!11'
1504782;1468858139;mircea_popescu;heh
1504783;1468858181;mircea_popescu;so is anyone going to actually bother a) factoring the ssh keys found weak ; b) go own the machines, copy over their ssh agent ; c) hack it apart see wtf caused the collisions ?
1504784;1468858183;asciilifeform;we had this thread: unmasking is only effective when there IS somebody interesting to unmask. at other times, you gotta emplace that cocaine into the toilet tank.
1504785;1468858193;mircea_popescu;you can be on the same list and don't even have to spend 1500 dubaloos.
1504786;1468858196;mats;jurov: speculation
1504787;1468858212;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pretty clear to the naked eye. dsl modem.
1504788;1468858223;mircea_popescu;how did it manage to collide ?
1504789;1468858232;asciilifeform;factory-baked ssh key
1504790;1468858237;asciilifeform;these turn up regularly.
1504791;1468858245;mircea_popescu;but it's not the same key.
1504792;1468858259;mircea_popescu;if it's factory baked, how come the collisions only happen in C blocks ?
1504793;1468858273;asciilifeform;$s 100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949
1504794;1468858273;a111;4 results for "100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949
1504795;1468858301;mircea_popescu;o wait it's the same factor actually innit.
1504796;1468858311;mircea_popescu;no it's not.
1504797;1468858313;mircea_popescu;look here :
1504798;1468858317;asciilifeform;i see it
1504799;1468858352;mircea_popescu;100967258343792882586359465099964743874115772336452279964534591772453169488949 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 177.234.13.241 ; 177.234.15.27 ;
1504800;1468858373;mircea_popescu;3717621124200192314145705948137075738570941668159058108077267463226172347789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 189.203.181.149 ; 189.203.72.147
1504801;1468858405;mircea_popescu;10783613970442413934143578906158089830375140508817221044708965087575877867311152108386754333184784039689570945854780881166021712179361227812154341718049279 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 74.45.228.97 ; 74.45.229.217
1504802;1468858428;mircea_popescu;so we have THREE pairs, all on the same /18, and with different large factors.
1504803;1468858460;asciilifeform;almost as interesting is the number of boxes with DUPLICATE keys
1504804;1468858479;mircea_popescu;this seems to me not a case of "key baked in dsl modem" ; but a case of "someone is running software which can be made to create deliberately weak keys in certain deployment contexts"
1504805;1468858516;mircea_popescu;i would say as a matter of policy we should immediately hijack, copy and completely wipe these boxes.
1504806;1468858581;jurov;you need to mitm someone logging in, no?
1504807;1468858595;jurov;and i have nfi how to mitm some box in mexico
1504808;1468858647;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1504809;1468858666;asciilifeform;$ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/dupes | grep -c -i "framedragger"
1504810;1468858666;asciilifeform;200981
1504811;1468858670;asciilifeform;^ holy shit ^
1504812;1468858676;mircea_popescu;heh.
1504813;1468858681;asciilifeform;i slept through this.
1504814;1468858685;mircea_popescu;wtf is this anyway, people decide to use a single key on all their boxes ?
1504815;1468858689;asciilifeform;'decide'
1504816;1468858690;asciilifeform;'their boxes'
1504817;1468858695;mircea_popescu;heh.
1504818;1468858711;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing phuctor is right on schedule : just about time for yet another paper, a month after the prev a month after the prev etc.
1504819;1468858717;mircea_popescu;plox to write it, i'm not gonna.
1504820;1468858731;asciilifeform;thing hasn't even eaten first parcel of the sshkeyz
1504821;1468858738;mircea_popescu;nuts.
1504822;1468858743;asciilifeform;683600/815805
1504823;1468858751;mircea_popescu;let's give Framedragger a courtesy ping seeing how it's all his data.
1504824;1468858762;mats;how many ssh keys in phuctor now?
1504825;1468858770;mircea_popescu;638k
1504826;1468858775;mircea_popescu;683k*
1504827;1468858776;asciilifeform;phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats
1504828;1468858790;asciilifeform;and yes
1504829;1468858792;mats;that includes unprocessed?
1504830;1468858806;asciilifeform;mats: every single thing gets processed every 4h
1504831;1468858809;mircea_popescu;no, about 10mn ssh keys, total
1504832;1468858809;asciilifeform;again, and again
1504833;1468858833;mats;ok
1504834;1468858842;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored << gotta do something about that page.
1504835;1468858873;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what, specifically
1504836;1468858877;asciilifeform;i kept it a 1pager so i can grep
1504837;1468858889;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3BAE60DEFC1A4CF00D95455C8C27D08F0B7F770A80EBB11FAAD24306BAAB8DB7 << check it out.
1504838;1468858927;asciilifeform;or, worse still, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FFE44716565274B160E764BAF3DAB84843CF87F35D08FF722A9CA560B547E607
1504839;1468858945;asciilifeform;(the dupes page is a rogue's gallery of these.)
1504840;1468858972;mircea_popescu;it's a 550kb page!
1504841;1468858977;mircea_popescu;miles long.
1504842;1468858979;asciilifeform;my current hypothesis is that enemy was a little more clever than reported by the bocks, and divided dupe keys into equivalence classes
1504843;1468858992;mircea_popescu;if you want a csv version, why not make that. if you're making a html version, should have pages.
1504844;1468859019;mircea_popescu;this "middle of the road" thing is bad for both usecases : when you grep it you waste bw on html crud ; meanwhile browsing luser is stuck.
1504845;1468859046;asciilifeform;it is painful but: i kept the proggy short, and it is - afaik - bug-free.
1504846;1468859055;asciilifeform;as soon as i add this'n'that, it will turn into whorepress.
1504847;1468859067;mircea_popescu;don't worry, sucking cock doesn't make you a whore!
1504848;1468859116;asciilifeform;at some point i will add paged-by-default and 'view-all' link for grep
1504849;1468859132;asciilifeform;but doing just about anything to this beast is a misery bordering on self-appendectomy
1504850;1468859200;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F2723B28577B087DB5E15C378870963A69E67E5BFD9A06EA88E7D8ABF4F5E29C << nuttery.
1504851;1468859223;mircea_popescu;aite!
1504852;1468859241;mircea_popescu;why misery tho ? you wrote it neh ?
1504853;1468859244;asciilifeform;i should like to hear the 'innocent', boeckian explanation for the tall piles of dupolade.
1504854;1468859256;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wwwtronics is a misery.
1504855;1468859294;mircea_popescu;dude dat link....
1504856;1468859296;mircea_popescu;wtf is this.
1504857;1468859313;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C4F4981D4A37A5C961765FAB5CF1F30774125DEF35E37AA648EC5B015A4F094 << have another.
1504858;1468859320;asciilifeform;tall piles of dupe keys.
1504859;1468859333;mircea_popescu;60+ instances of different ips using same key ?
1504860;1468859335;asciilifeform;typically from a single /16.
1504861;1468859340;asciilifeform;aha.
1504862;1468859341;mircea_popescu;this must be some sort of gateway arrangement.
1504863;1468859367;mircea_popescu;alternatively, nobody could foresee the terrorists will use ssh keys as rsa unifying underlying, so they're entirely unprepared for any of this
1504864;1468859373;mircea_popescu;in which case, it definitely should be pushed.
1504865;1468859389;asciilifeform;there isn't much further to push the dupe thing, other than cataloguing the champs
1504866;1468859394;asciilifeform;and printing in moar convenient format
1504867;1468859413;asciilifeform;'modulus M : 1,001 ips: ...' etc
1504868;1468859418;mircea_popescu;aha.
1504869;1468859432;mircea_popescu;well, at least it offers a hierarchy of "in which order to factor keys"
1504870;1468859446;mircea_popescu;this afaik didn't exist on the open nets afore.
1504871;1468859485;asciilifeform;it is a valid point: there is no physical way to distinguish 'all connected to same box' from 'boxes with dupe key'
1504872;1468859492;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the one important thing you should add is "search by ip"
1504873;1468859516;asciilifeform;could search by generic string, but it'll be slow.
1504874;1468859521;asciilifeform;'ip' is not a field in my db !!
1504875;1468859524;asciilifeform;we went over this.
1504876;1468859530;asciilifeform;having ANY new fields would make the thing 100x more complex.
1504877;1468859539;asciilifeform;use grep.
1504878;1468859548;mircea_popescu;at the very least you could make another page, "ips by factors found"
1504879;1468859554;mircea_popescu;then people can search in that.
1504880;1468859555;asciilifeform;this, yes.
1504881;1468859558;mircea_popescu;aha.
1504882;1468859560;asciilifeform;it'll be batch-generated.
1504883;1468859580;asciilifeform;so far we have... 8 ?
1504884;1468859590;asciilifeform;$s ssh-rsa key from
1504885;1468859591;a111;11 results for "ssh-rsa key from", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ssh-rsa%20key%20from
1504886;1468859688;asciilifeform;consider now this case: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1de0673a-143e-4062-b1f0-3d414525f7f9/
1504887;1468859691;asciilifeform;there are plenty of these.
1504888;1468859714;asciilifeform;does not reflect 'same network' scenario.
1504889;1468859728;asciilifeform;speaking of all of this, did anybody ever crawl the tor exit pubkeys ?
1504890;1468860002;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaandd....
1504891;1468860003;asciilifeform;we have...
1504892;1468860005;asciilifeform;a winner:
1504893;1468860006;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/edd4ff91-9ae8-422c-9138-d3d89bee597e
1504894;1468860041;trinque;huh, wotpaste wont resolve over here; I shit thee not
1504895;1468860048;asciilifeform;curl -s http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/edd4ff91-9ae8-422c-9138-d3d89bee597e/?raw=true | grep -c -i "ssh-rsa"
1504896;1468860050;asciilifeform;162
1504897;1468860057;asciilifeform;instances of same modulus
1504898;1468860060;asciilifeform;ALL OVER the net.
1504899;1468860069;trinque;there it went
1504900;1468860115;asciilifeform;note, all of this is from not even one complete parcel from Framedragger .
1504901;1468860168;trinque;heh, found NSA's "cloud hosting"
1504902;1468860216;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bba8b759-dc4b-4df6-9085-e49bc2804527 << aaand another.
1504903;1468860222;asciilifeform;who wants more, can dig with own hands, for now.
1504904;1468860233;asciilifeform;there are hundreds of these clusters.
1504905;1468860407;asciilifeform;'nobody could have predicted!' that this will turn up!
1504906;1468860561;jurov;heh, whois 108.163.248.235 times out
1504907;1468861012;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods |  grep -c -i "exponent 1 is not prime"
1504908;1468861013;asciilifeform;10
1504909;1468861018;asciilifeform;TEN!
1504910;1468861441;jurov;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods causes firefox-47 to spin for several minutes and then render garbage
1504911;1468861459;asciilifeform;400MB jurov
1504912;1468861496;jurov;Still. It's just a simple table without js.
1504913;1468861642;asciilifeform;sooooo, at the risk of cluttering l0gz, we have the ten winnerz:
1504914;1468861652;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7CA14A17798D7F706E0BD77572FA640F291B511A0ADD2D420B6C1B09D31B31BE
1504915;1468861652;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DECFE58CD976219B387AF29CC2F2B298696C16350D12E824FF717E1B1E907A80
1504916;1468861652;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D6B243A14ED577EDF6A06E339742398A60E2795E56A9679E474EA4F56CEE2FCF
1504917;1468861652;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F9E5715A35D36CFAD74E5D259A294DFEF977991D0BEA58C729179642DD9C308E
1504918;1468861652;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5A89906DB67B9331B3B10889DF97F72CCF986B351A8E8D3953777EC6C3B06FAE
1504919;1468861653;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2FF671C530DFA823E42782B1C8AF9874CF263653B3517DC3EB4FD602DABBF64
1504920;1468861655;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EF6F4A716C4514B5E99F16717207BB9FA823A385CEBBAD4D00D242D9C566D522
1504921;1468861657;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7EA5B03B4FD8AC88BD9D59C9389EA8E678620391CC5366E3D99417383F77609D
1504922;1468861659;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F84EBD729CF6AFCFAE6C26A422025F4BA4279B0C4D92251C6D49F147545AA056
1504923;1468861661;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/69420B90B8B1C02C8C0E3F9F591801396FE97A6C87714A63D64C25EA47B5B88E
1504924;1468861663;asciilifeform;to date ^ exp=1 ^
1504925;1468861710;asciilifeform;i'd love to learn what these folks had in common, other than the obvious misfortune.
1504926;1468861774;jurov;and it's questionable why export it as html, when browser can't be used and we have to grep it anyway?
1504927;1468861798;asciilifeform;jurov: because there is one proggy.
1504928;1468861801;asciilifeform;is this so hard to grasp.
1504929;1468861805;asciilifeform;there are not TWO
1504930;1468861825;asciilifeform;same garden hose, for cake batter and for kerosene, i dun have a second.
1504931;1468861899;jurov;:)
1504932;1468861938;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/69420B90B8B1C02C8C0E3F9F591801396FE97A6C87714A63D64C25EA47B5B88E << this last one is interesting. 'usaa' is a bank.
1504933;1468862022;asciilifeform;the others are ~all~ 1024-bit ancient keyz.
1504934;1468862508;asciilifeform;some moar lulz,
1504935;1468862509;asciilifeform;grep -i "not prime" [sadmods] | sort | uniq > sads
1504936;1468862518;asciilifeform;^^^^ http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/78112214-f938-42e4-b55a-451d46cba369
1504937;1468862600;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504774 << ftr, there's a consensus mechanism, so it's not "everything works or everything's broken"
1504938;1468862600;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 16:07 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it will be an interesting anal piercing moment for the tor aficionados - EVERYBODY gets to 'upgrade'
1504939;1468862606;Framedragger;but, yeah, hardcoded, yew
1504940;1468862963;Framedragger;hmm (reading backlog on ip address correlations) "this should be plotted". interesting
1504941;1468863042;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504823 << *evil laugh from castle*
1504942;1468863042;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 16:19 mircea_popescu: let's give Framedragger a courtesy ping seeing how it's all his data.
1504943;1468863162;Framedragger;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey i may be up for setting up some kind of searchable thing with everything dumped into postgres. not sure how much worth vs. time, but could be useful as these stats grow
1504944;1468863195;Framedragger;also remember http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-13#1502578
1504945;1468863195;a111;Logged on 2016-07-13 18:26 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i have moar ssh keys for ya: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_diff_2016-07-13.tar (diff from that 10M bunch, i.e. only new ones) 920M file, 1.82M new ssh keys.
1504946;1468863205;asciilifeform;oh ya
1504947;1468863216;Framedragger;'cause you know it's not enough :D
1504948;1468863287;Framedragger;shasum at http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
1504949;1468863360;asciilifeform;ty Framedragger .
1504950;1468863484;asciilifeform;Framedragger: do you still have the raw mods somewhere ?
1504951;1468863498;asciilifeform;it would not take long to snarf them up and 2d plot by ip
1504952;1468863546;asciilifeform;(a mod with 2 or more ips gets a colour; plot each ip on the traditional 2d grid, and connect with line of that colour.)
1504953;1468863601;asciilifeform;you do not need any of the phuctor logic for this
1504954;1468863615;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504911 << lord have mercy
1504955;1468863615;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:04 asciilifeform: 400MB jurov
1504956;1468863618;Framedragger;we need teh api
1504957;1468863658;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not only would an api take up more complexity than phuctor at present in its entirety, but the thing barely keeps up as it is.
1504958;1468863662;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504950 << you mean mods in the e,N,IP format? yes and they should be on the web, one sec
1504959;1468863662;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:38 asciilifeform: Framedragger: do you still have the raw mods somewhere ?
1504960;1468863700;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i implied that i'd be interested to maybe write an api; if everything's in postgres properly indexed, should be fine. hey i'm a masochist, all the better for tmsr!!1
1504961;1468863721;Framedragger;(i mean i'd mirror the thing, or something)
1504962;1468863736;Framedragger;so your original wwwtronic thing would be preserved; i understand and appreciate its elegance
1504963;1468863749;asciilifeform;i dun see how it could be mirrored without substantial redesign.
1504964;1468863757;Framedragger;asciilifeform: original 10M e,N,IP: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/e-N-IP_all_2016-06-14.tar.bz2
1504965;1468863807;Framedragger;and e,N,IP for the additional 1.82M key ball is in the http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_diff_2016-07-13.tar (file at top, directories under contain the openpgp'd versions). hope this makes sense, it's a bit ad hoc
1504966;1468863820;asciilifeform;neato
1504967;1468863838;Framedragger;thought it may come in handy for da analysis
1504968;1468863862;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah i dunno if it can be mirrored. won't rush anyway..
1504969;1468863874;asciilifeform;in principle, anything can be ~anythinged.
1504970;1468863919;asciilifeform;in practice, that thing grinds ~100+ queries / sec. 24/7
1504971;1468863923;asciilifeform;and they aren't consolidatable.
1504972;1468863936;asciilifeform;and it lives on ONE box, not a cluster or wtf.
1504973;1468863949;asciilifeform;and whole thing is a couplaehundredlines.
1504974;1468864193;Framedragger;asciilifeform: well you wouldnt be you if it were otherwise i suppose!
1504975;1468864193;Framedragger;neat as fuck
1504976;1468864194;asciilifeform;phuctor is heavily bound by disk i/o.
1504977;1468864212;asciilifeform;and there is really no cure for this.
1504978;1468864226;Framedragger;does the box have ssd?
1504979;1468864228;asciilifeform;(if it were a commercial thing, it would probably live on a large farm)
1504980;1468864233;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not iirc.
1504981;1468864273;asciilifeform;it has a tremendous qty of ram, without which whole experiment would be quite impossible
1504982;1468864299;Framedragger;..cause you need to keep the eight-ball in memory, right?
1504983;1468864319;asciilifeform;actually no
1504984;1468864330;asciilifeform;eightball is an afterthought really
1504985;1468864340;asciilifeform;the remainder-tree (see bernstein's paper)
1504986;1468864363;asciilifeform;box also hosts the only (afaik) 'five nines'-reliable trb node.
1504987;1468864392;asciilifeform;(uses about 3-5% of ram)
1504988;1468864477;Framedragger;(ah, need to read that damn paper finally)
1504989;1468864487;asciilifeform;linked from faq.
1504990;1468864520;Framedragger;yeah it's in my guilty-unread-pdf-pile heh.
1504991;1468864578;trinque;ahem.
1504992;1468864587;trinque;only reliable trb node eh?
1504993;1468864633;asciilifeform;trinque: the only one i know of that runs continuously without blackhole or other hiccup.
1504994;1468864745;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504926 << in truth, use a sane browser like lynx :)
1504995;1468864745;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:09 jurov: and it's questionable why export it as html, when browser can't be used and we have to grep it anyway?
1504996;1468864748;Framedragger;works that way
1504997;1468864909;jurov;you actually tried lynx? as we are speaking, it claims to read 30MB, at 340KiB/sec, and the keeps getting down
1504998;1468864941;Framedragger;some time ago. could have been elinks. and yeah i recall it being slow
1504999;1468864971;jurov;*the speed keeps
1505000;1468864985;Framedragger;bottleneck on phuctor's end
1505001;1468865007;jurov;mnope. it's reading from hdd
1505002;1468865016;Framedragger;ah. should have checked. well damn
1505003;1468865020;asciilifeform;from db jurov
1505004;1468865032;asciilifeform;which is an order of magnitude slower than simply 'from hd'
1505005;1468865048;Framedragger;jurov: oh you mean it as counterargument, it reading from hdd on phuctor. i thought, from local hdd
1505006;1468865058;Framedragger;hm
1505007;1468865059;jurov;sigh, no
1505008;1468865070;jurov;i saved sadmods.html to *my* hdd
1505009;1468865086;jurov;and ran lynx sadmods.html
1505010;1468865092;asciilifeform;at a certain point i'ma have to make it a batch thing
1505011;1468865100;asciilifeform;namely, all of the .html will be generated nightly.
1505012;1468865102;asciilifeform;staticly.
1505013;1468865117;Framedragger;understood. well, so it is. i do recall being able to full text search decently once it loaded. but, okay, browsers suck
1505014;1468865137;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah that'd be pretty.. sane
1505015;1468865186;asciilifeform;thing has cache right now but it is good for 10 min. / page.
1505016;1468865188;jurov;if alf did csv, he could just keep appending to the static file
1505017;1468865194;trinque;asciilifeform: RSS too?
1505018;1468865210;asciilifeform;jurov: understand, there has to be a db, because ALL mods get bernsteined against ALL mods AND the 8ball.
1505019;1468865214;asciilifeform;EVERY 4 HRS.
1505020;1468865220;asciilifeform;trinque: sure
1505021;1468865228;trinque;I don't mind either way
1505022;1468865241;jurov;asciilifeform: i did not say you have to abandon db!
1505023;1468865247;trinque;but if that'll be nightly, I expect there'll be big farts of RSS at phuctor-o'clock
1505024;1468865251;asciilifeform;well i ain't appending to anything
1505025;1468865292;asciilifeform;problem is, phuctor unfortunately cannot be made 100% static
1505026;1468865304;asciilifeform;because this would entail a page for EVERY key and fp
1505027;1468865319;asciilifeform;i know of no file system that would not choke.
1505028;1468865332;jurov;but that does not mean you have to completely regenerate all html from scratch every time
1505029;1468865333;asciilifeform;nor am i interested in waiting for months for the conversion.
1505030;1468865348;asciilifeform;jurov: it does if i want a zero chance of corruption.
1505031;1468865355;asciilifeform;this is the v state thread all over again.
1505032;1468865364;asciilifeform;if you want ZERO corruption, you gotta regen ALL state.
1505033;1468865366;asciilifeform;EVERY time.
1505034;1468865375;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505027 << well the rfc4880-formatted keys are already in one-file-per-key, in truth
1505035;1468865375;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 18:08 asciilifeform: i know of no file system that would not choke.
1505036;1468865382;asciilifeform;they are not.
1505037;1468865387;asciilifeform;they live in db.
1505038;1468865415;asciilifeform;in old ver of phuctor they lived on fs;
1505039;1468865419;Framedragger;i meant that i supplied them to you as one key in one file. but yeah kk
1505040;1468865421;asciilifeform;this made backups unmanageably slow.
1505041;1468865429;*;Framedragger bike ride before sunset
1505042;1468865435;asciilifeform;goodnight Framedragger
1505043;1468865439;Framedragger;asciilifeform: fair enough
1505044;1468865457;Framedragger;eh i may be back, shit's too interesting :D
1505045;1468865461;asciilifeform;lolk
1505046;1468865519;asciilifeform;'moral' of this thread is - phuctor stretches the limits of disk, fs, db, various shoddy duct tape that makes up modern kompyooooting shitsoup
1505047;1468865587;asciilifeform;of cpu also, but the box is well-equipped in that respect
1505048;1468865589;asciilifeform;(16 cpu)
1505049;1468865610;asciilifeform;bernstein's also is, what was once called 'embarrassingly parallel'
1505050;1468865651;asciilifeform;*algo is
1505051;1468865719;trinque;http://serverfault.com/questions/6711/filesystem-for-millions-of-small-files/732832#732832 << cracks me up
1505052;1468865734;trinque;"If you don't care about write integrity, it's great."
1505053;1468865737;asciilifeform;afaik reiser is the champ.
1505054;1468865738;asciilifeform;still.
1505055;1468865741;trinque;yep
1505056;1468865767;trinque;I was sharing the lulz; db makes sense
1505057;1468865790;asciilifeform;it is also miserably slow and sequentially-blocking.
1505058;1468865933;asciilifeform;i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like.
1505059;1468865996;asciilifeform;probably custom db, clusterized, etc.
1505060;1468866002;asciilifeform;with whole galley of interns to massage it.
1505061;1468866062;asciilifeform;consider, rsa keys vacuumed up worldwide since... first clinton term
1505062;1468867448;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505059 << are you using postgres? if so, advice from someone who has run a (hopefully) decent www+db thing with > 100 GiB of data in postgres: follow https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server or equivalent for your db (but i'll swear behind postgres any day). this is normal practice, mind you, not "hax0ring for nosql immigrants"
1505063;1468867448;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 18:19 asciilifeform: probably custom db, clusterized, etc.
1505064;1468867471;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is reasonably tuned.
1505065;1468867484;Framedragger;asciilifeform: postgres defaults are fucking stupid. `shared_buffers`, an important thing when doing sorting, is 32 MiB at default
1505066;1468867486;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah ok
1505067;1468867503;asciilifeform;and atm nothing is sorted.
1505068;1468867513;asciilifeform;(other than rss)
1505069;1468867529;Framedragger;okay, but there are other things; but if it's tuned then fair enough
1505070;1468867633;Framedragger;effective_cache_size e.g. could be set to 75% of total system memory. otherwise - don't want to presume - but it may end up paging the fuck out out of the disk. or other things..
1505071;1468867658;asciilifeform;i need the memory for the gcd.
1505072;1468867685;Framedragger;ah it's a separate thing, right right. sorry i'm rambling without knowing / forgetting internals
1505073;1468867700;asciilifeform;aha separate proggy.
1505074;1468867709;asciilifeform;in straight c.
1505075;1468867718;Framedragger;asciilifeform: just curious, is all that beefy server memory actually being used? by either djb gcd or db?
1505076;1468867734;asciilifeform;during a run - most of it.
1505077;1468867747;Framedragger;cool stuff
1505078;1468867991;Framedragger;(hm, i'll go thru the ip clustering discussion again tomorrow or thereabouts, interesting stuff and interesting speculation how this came to be. need to find time to do some actual anal-sis and graphing....)
1505079;1468868096;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504806 << unless someone here has access to some important backbone nodez.. :/
1505080;1468868096;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 16:16 jurov: you need to mitm someone logging in, no?
1505081;1468868183;Framedragger;logging in and resetting boxes via cracked *client* ssh keys could be a thing, though! keys are already retrieved i take it :) http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485892
1505082;1468868183;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 20:38 mircea_popescu: recall, jurov parsed all of github, produced a pile of keys and the convertor code
1505083;1468868336;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504809 << just fyi the new 1.82M ssh key diff won't have that keyword in there, as i've shortened the comment string, as per various grumblings re this.
1505084;1468868336;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 16:17 asciilifeform: $ curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/dupes | grep -c -i "framedragger"
1505085;1468868336;Framedragger;example: 84.177.114.79 (ssh-rsa key from 84.177.114.79 (12 July 2016 extraction)) <sshscan-queries+84.177.114.79@mkj.lt>
1505086;1468869197;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504886 << Known Shared Factors: 1, Self (Ok, for now!). so it's just the same key seen from multiple internet-facing machines.
1505087;1468869197;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 16:34 asciilifeform: consider now this case: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/1de0673a-143e-4062-b1f0-3d414525f7f9/
1505088;1468869227;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: buncha machines, NOT on same subnet.
1505089;1468869233;asciilifeform;and more of these, later, in l0gz.
1505090;1468869240;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1505091;1468869256;mircea_popescu;possibly found something like a nsa something or the other,  a botnet / spamnet etc.
1505092;1468869269;asciilifeform;a whole gallery of same.
1505093;1468869351;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504906 << i see http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/154d6211-de43-4d97-bc53-8eef366b1d5c/
1505094;1468869351;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 16:49 jurov: heh, whois 108.163.248.235 times out
1505095;1468869388;jurov;yep, now it works
1505096;1468869440;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504926 << see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504843
1505097;1468869440;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 16:23 mircea_popescu: if you want a csv version, why not make that. if you're making a html version, should have pages.
1505098;1468869440;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:09 jurov: and it's questionable why export it as html, when browser can't be used and we have to grep it anyway?
1505099;1468869499;jurov;mircea_popescu: see later in the log, apparently appended csv would enable corruption O.o
1505100;1468869547;mircea_popescu;i'm thinking the way this will end up is to separate the data processing ; data acquisition ; and data dissemination. evidently people good at any of these aren't good at the others, and have incredibly elaborate excuses for maintaining the situation that likely aren't worth cutting through.
1505101;1468869558;mircea_popescu;sort-of what's been happening with the wot, for instance, anyway.
1505102;1468869638;mircea_popescu;i guess some work poured into a semblance of unified dissemination interface is unavoidable, hence the shinohai wp project.
1505103;1468869664;asciilifeform;processing and dissemination are not always separable.
1505104;1468869675;asciilifeform;i would say that in the case of phuctor, they are not.
1505105;1468869687;mircea_popescu;well the alternative is me flying over to washington with a rubber hose and pounding you into loving www.
1505106;1468869706;mircea_popescu;anyway. why would you say they are not ?
1505107;1468869775;asciilifeform;for instance, one of my 'wish list' features is to have separate exhibits for different kinds of braindamage - mirror, nonprime e, etc
1505108;1468869806;asciilifeform;and to have the ability to introduce new ones quickly.
1505109;1468869811;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504937 << in practice a "consensus mechanism" as seen to work among angloderps guarantees everything's broken all the time, but they don't feel too bad about it.
1505110;1468869811;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:23 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504774 << ftr, there's a consensus mechanism, so it's not "everything works or everything's broken"
1505111;1468869841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so ? you push out csv's ; someone displays them.
1505112;1468869853;asciilifeform;GB-sized csv ?
1505113;1468869856;mircea_popescu;yes.
1505114;1468869866;asciilifeform;so we lose the realtime display.
1505115;1468869881;mircea_popescu;trilema serves many many terrabites each month. what's a gigabyte.
1505116;1468869925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm sorry, were you saying "i am a flaming retard right now, so what i'm proposing is moving gb of crud around for no other purpose than to communicate a kb of information" ? i interpreted it to mean "what if i actually have 1 gb of information, can i pass that ?"
1505117;1468870019;asciilifeform;i dun like state.
1505118;1468870035;mircea_popescu;at some point you will have to like something ; lest something decides to like you.
1505119;1468870081;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al are invited to make an actual list of urgent missing knobs
1505120;1468870083;mircea_popescu;anyway ; the borders are fluid, the "data dissemination" part can just live as a "this is the official tmsr web package ; install it like so ; it's maintained by these people ; it does these things we want exactly right and no more"
1505121;1468870102;BingoBoingo;Doesn't like vermin, also doesn't like organo phosphates. Dilemmas.
1505122;1468870104;mircea_popescu;it doesn't automatically have to be "send your data to X guy who runs the official data-dump server"
1505123;1468870176;mircea_popescu;for instance, it'd evident we want : a) csv, for to grep ; b) tmsr-html, which is NOT html, and not just because it does not allow js ; c) tmsr-svg, which i'm going to pretend is svg, because gnarly. somewhere inbetween b and c a latex fits in as previously discussed in logs.
1505124;1468870186;asciilifeform;the ~sane way to do wwwtronics would be a thing that would, when given a db made with particular constraints, cleanly present it wwwtronically.
1505125;1468870191;mircea_popescu;there's prolly room for rss or somesuch also.
1505126;1468870197;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly.
1505127;1468870203;asciilifeform;without my or anybody else having to sit there and write a table shitter
1505128;1468870226;asciilifeform;for some reason we went for 25 years and no such thing ever appeared...
1505129;1468870236;mircea_popescu;this only partially solves the www problem though. servers have to be lovingly helped to stay up over ddos etc crapolade ; why the fuck does apache not work properly etc etc. but these we can abstract for now i hope.
1505130;1468870250;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "we". some idiots went , weren't us and it shows.
1505131;1468870261;asciilifeform;so far every rock i turn over has 10,000,001 worms under it.
1505132;1468870272;asciilifeform;i doubt that apache will fare any differently.
1505133;1468870276;mircea_popescu;ya well. anyway, this is kind-of the direction i was dreaming for the wp thing.
1505134;1468870285;mircea_popescu;you know what the name comes from right ?
1505135;1468870291;mircea_popescu;shit's patchy.
1505136;1468870294;asciilifeform;lel
1505137;1468870386;mircea_popescu;anyway. in practice there's also nginx, which i doubt is any better ; and i don't foresee our writing of a web server right nao.
1505138;1468870410;asciilifeform;it is probably the ~least~ complicated piece, actually.
1505139;1468870416;asciilifeform;www server doesn't do much.
1505140;1468870451;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504940 << basically you can start your own nsa on this basis ; prolly get better results by the end of the year than the original.
1505141;1468870451;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:29 Framedragger: hmm (reading backlog on ip address correlations) "this should be plotted". interesting
1505142;1468870469;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you want to write a web server now ?!
1505143;1468870509;asciilifeform;well i've no reasonable os to plant it in, that would justify it
1505144;1468870521;asciilifeform;but i'm not averse to doing the chore when it comes time.
1505145;1468870601;mircea_popescu;myeah. but it's modular anyway, so. until such a time, we just need a hm. either php or lisp i guess. or maybe hammer the extant python-whatcha call it into shape.
1505146;1468870605;trinque;openbsd's httpd doesn't look like that much src to read, while we're still in c-machine hell.
1505147;1468870635;trinque;plenty of lisp tools there too; I've used hunchentoot plenty
1505148;1468870639;asciilifeform;afaik the lisp folks here are all using hunchentoot
1505149;1468870640;asciilifeform;aha
1505150;1468870655;asciilifeform;http://weitz.de/hunchentoot
1505151;1468870671;trinque;the missing tool here sounds like a generic reporting engine that speaks SQL and farts graphs, CSV
1505152;1468870672;mircea_popescu;certainly less wrong with openbsd than... fucking red hat or w/e.
1505153;1468870687;mircea_popescu;trinque the largest conundrum is the tex and sql end ; but that can also wait.
1505154;1468870689;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm not convinced of this
1505155;1468870705;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've not yet succeeded in setting up a 100% de-drepperized openbsd.
1505156;1468870707;deedbot;[Qntra] EthereumClassic Emerges! - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ethereumclassic-emerges/
1505157;1468870707;asciilifeform;unlike gentoo.
1505158;1468870708;mircea_popescu;if you build alf a web tool that looks and feels like whatever apple doohickey he fell in love with as a kid, he'll love you long time.
1505159;1468870719;asciilifeform;it pulls in the crud and lacks anything like 'USE' flags to kill it
1505160;1468870723;trinque;I have need for the reporting thing myself anyway
1505161;1468870737;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform honestly i was thinking just pick one, clean it and repackage it.
1505162;1468870737;trinque;it's generally useful for goddamned every web app that ever webbed
1505163;1468870764;mircea_popescu;trinque you wanna try this wonder ?
1505164;1468870809;mircea_popescu;shit, among all this actual productive work i nearly missed the lulz explosion on qntra.
1505165;1468870874;trinque;yeah I can take a crack at it. sounds like something that has a list of SQL views, list of kinds of output. you pair those up, allow filtering on fields (particularly time)
1505166;1468870898;mircea_popescu;this'd be my thinking ya
1505167;1468870917;deedbot;[Qntra] Arizona Deputies Refused Service By Taco Bell Employee - http://qntra.net/2016/07/arizona-deputies-refused-service-by-taco-bell-employee/
1505168;1468870952;asciilifeform;'the meaning DAO's contract' --> 'the meaning of DAO's contract'  ??
1505169;1468870957;asciilifeform;shinohai ^
1505170;1468870981;mircea_popescu;trinque incidentally, i suspect the entire website model is dumb as presented. currently, under pressure from ustards/business majors/other unwelcome masses, a website is a collection of webpages that is very similar to how a tv show is a collection of tv frames. MAYBE they'll let the user have a tivo, but that's at the most.
1505171;1468871012;shinohai;ty asciilifeform
1505172;1468871019;mircea_popescu;whreas the fucking internet is not made to be a cable tv substitute omfg. website should mean that the user can do a bunch of shit, according to what he may need, some of which not necessarily foreseen by author.
1505173;1468871026;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> 'the meaning DAO's contract' --> 'the meaning of DAO's contract'  ?? << fxd
1505174;1468871026;mircea_popescu;so yes, very much a "view over db" sort of thing.
1505175;1468871054;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i will note that this was theoretically the promise of ~every 'framework' ever published, but each and every single one cancerously deviated from it
1505176;1468871057;trinque;mircea_popescu: yep, thing could let trusted folks write queries
1505177;1468871064;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no argument.
1505178;1468871091;mircea_popescu;trinque basically, it should be conceptualized not as a "this is a sheet i printed this and that on" but more like "what'd you like in your plate here ?"
1505179;1468871100;trinque;certainly so.
1505180;1468871118;mircea_popescu;which is why trilema, or qntra, have, say, a FUCKING ARCHIVE PAGE
1505181;1468871137;mircea_popescu;but the "media properties", from "one side" to "the other same side" of "the spectrum" ... do not.
1505182;1468871145;mircea_popescu;a tiny example, but indicative of the conceptual difference.
1505183;1468871146;trinque;I confess to having already written parts of the thing.
1505184;1468871150;mircea_popescu;ha!
1505185;1468871151;trinque;:D
1505186;1468871229;mircea_popescu;in short : the web is very, very broken - but most of the breakage isn't even in the software. yes apache sucks and wtf is js even.
1505187;1468871256;mircea_popescu;the big problem is that lazy thinkers and "hopefuls" of all stripes have made it into their comfortable home. this can't fucking stand.
1505188;1468871273;asciilifeform;this is almost the c machine thread again.
1505189;1468871282;asciilifeform;even if you expel the vermin, the medium is still verminiferous.
1505190;1468871291;asciilifeform;browser is profoundly brain-damaged by design.
1505191;1468871314;trinque;it can be used as no more sophisticated a thing than a cmdline tool that shits text
1505192;1468871319;trinque;*the output thereof
1505193;1468871339;asciilifeform;trinque: which it ?
1505194;1468871353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform once there exist as many as five proper pages, you can have a proper browser.
1505195;1468871367;mircea_popescu;trinque i was more thinking lynx but yea
1505196;1468871393;trinque;lynx shall work
1505197;1468871397;asciilifeform;anyone ever tempted to revive gopher ?
1505198;1468871406;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1505199;1468871410;mircea_popescu;imo gopher sucked.
1505200;1468871439;asciilifeform;in some ways it was closer to the hypothetical item in this thread than any variant of www.
1505201;1468871457;trinque;in either case, the thing can be written such that www is not a large part of what it is
1505202;1468871461;mircea_popescu;and a goat is closer to a young woman than any old whore - it's tighter down there.
1505203;1468871464;trinque;relatedly I'm about to drop a vpatch for cmdbot
1505204;1468871469;trinque;which is the core of deedbot
1505205;1468871472;mircea_popescu;win.
1505206;1468871485;trinque;thing's written such that it would hop atop gossipd and provide commands just as easily
1505207;1468871516;mircea_popescu;splendid.
1505208;1468871521;trinque;one part eats IRC and writes to postgresql, sends pg_notify to connected db clients that there are new rows; another listens for new rows in an outbox table to write to the chan
1505209;1468871530;trinque;services attach to db
1505210;1468871570;mircea_popescu;going back to history for a minute here - at first there was the text internet ; and then as bw and hdds grew up and people could have gifs of samatha fox's snatch rather than ascii art of same, they all rushed to... basically, this shitfest of netscape, internet exploder etc.
1505211;1468871582;mircea_popescu;time to take that shit back, just because "it has images" is no excuse for the existence of say firefox.
1505212;1468871595;mircea_popescu;or outright atrocities like chrome.
1505213;1468871621;mircea_popescu;trinque what is this, python ?
1505214;1468871629;trinque;common lisp
1505215;1468871649;mircea_popescu;ah
1505216;1468871664;mircea_popescu;i didn't realise lisp is practically useful.
1505217;1468871721;mircea_popescu;and in other "hope for the hopefuls" news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56c2e25b663d2159e09edaadb9191b8e/tumblr_nb24e741rw1qc2yxpo1_1280.jpg
1505218;1468871721;trinque;cmdbot is 232 lines of the stuff, can ghost nick, reconnect properly
1505219;1468871802;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504976 << you know i can prolly arrange something for this... what part of i/o ? seeking or what ?
1505220;1468871802;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:49 asciilifeform: phuctor is heavily bound by disk i/o.
1505221;1468871807;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505151 << possibly this can be hacked up by putting data into postgres, and then allowing read-only sql access via one of them web-access-to-your-db things.
1505222;1468871807;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 19:37 trinque: the missing tool here sounds like a generic reporting engine that speaks SQL and farts graphs, CSV
1505223;1468871807;Framedragger;but i, too, am interested in taking a stab at a sane implementation, fwiw!
1505224;1468871838;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ssd would help much on that machine i'd suspect, if it's really i/o bound, as simplistic as it sounds
1505225;1468871844;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: seeking. but really i'd rather optimize the proggy than add to the (already gigantic) recurring cost.
1505226;1468871866;asciilifeform;my best thought so far is the nightly static html thing.
1505227;1468871869;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in principle i could get a bank of 4 ssd's in a raid which should make it faster-than-ram
1505228;1468871917;asciilifeform;the more i think about it, the more the static thing seems like the correct pill.
1505229;1468871919;Framedragger;won't be fast than ram, what are you smoking :)
1505230;1468871921;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you make a proper profiling sometime we can go through it and see. but, you're right wrt squeezing the software first if it can be squeezed.
1505231;1468871940;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i'm smoking drives :D
1505232;1468871950;Framedragger;then.. plz continue :D
1505233;1468872052;Framedragger;re sane web, there were semi-decent attempts which have made use of. for example, declare db model in python file, make $framework produce a working api over that model, incl implementing all the http methods corresponding to operations (GET, POST, PUT, DELETE)
1505234;1468872063;mircea_popescu;Framedragger for the sake of argument : ddr3 does say 2k cycles and latency is about 10 ; proper ssd does what, 100k iops on a 4k block ?
1505235;1468872089;Framedragger;dunno but numbers make sense to me
1505236;1468872103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~1 order of magnitude diff.
1505237;1468872108;trinque;Framedragger: those completely suck.
1505238;1468872118;trinque;the structure is already in the database catalog
1505239;1468872122;trinque;why duplicate it
1505240;1468872128;asciilifeform;^
1505241;1468872128;Framedragger;trinque: well.. eventually they do once you stretch them
1505242;1468872129;mircea_popescu;so then your ram can do 200 iops and a quad ssd raid can do about 300k. ie, 10^3 moar :D
1505243;1468872156;Framedragger;... "something is not right"
1505244;1468872169;mircea_popescu;{:=)))
1505245;1468872182;Framedragger;trinque: you can *declare* your catalog in said py file, and make $framework build db for you; etc.; but sure, it's still shitty
1505246;1468872189;trinque;so then why do it?
1505247;1468872191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter what you hang off pci, there is a ~10x variance of front-side vs back-side bus
1505248;1468872206;Framedragger;trinque: saves lots of time, for one, and quite a bit of redundancy. don't need to manually implement api endpoints etc
1505249;1468872261;shinohai;http://archive.is/62oC4   <<< tor replacement supposedly being researched by, ait for it, MIT!
1505250;1468872280;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this may very well turn out to be an ai-complete program, because most gigantic db have various optimizations for speed, that do not map in a straightforward way to display.
1505251;1468872285;trinque;the right way to build this is to have a table which points to a view name, an output type, some field mappings from the outputs of the view to the parameters of the output type
1505252;1468872295;trinque;wtf is complicated about that
1505253;1468872297;trinque;AI my foot
1505254;1468872308;asciilifeform;i was specifically speaking of schema design.
1505255;1468872311;trinque;you write a view and plug it into one of a few data shitters
1505256;1468872322;asciilifeform;now this, yes.
1505257;1468872342;*;Framedragger hoodwinked by mp's cycles vs iops
1505258;1468872366;mircea_popescu;shinohai mitrosoft.
1505259;1468872377;mircea_popescu;for spanish speakers the difference is negligible.
1505260;1468872383;Framedragger;asciilifeform: true that
1505261;1468872387;trinque;Framedragger: django et al are enemies of the republic
1505262;1468872393;asciilifeform;'MIT researchers devise a secure anonymity network that’s 10x faster than Tor' << FASTER!11111 so that you can broadcast your keystroke timings!!
1505263;1468872400;shinohai;I love how hispanics here say "Meeeeecrosoft"
1505264;1468872405;asciilifeform;(per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504493 )
1505265;1468872405;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 00:29 asciilifeform: it is known to me, for instance, that usg is presently spending stupendous sums on 'biometric' profiling of typing pattern, for as many victims as possible.
1505266;1468872406;Framedragger;trinque: so many enemies.. flask, too?
1505267;1468872416;mircea_popescu;no iirc they used flask.
1505268;1468872448;trinque;Framedragger: no harm in duplicating effort if it's instructive; go head
1505269;1468872451;Framedragger;wait, who did? confused
1505270;1468872464;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ^
1505271;1468872472;mircea_popescu;wasn't phuctor display flask based ?
1505272;1468872478;mircea_popescu;$s flask
1505273;1468872479;a111;29 results for "flask", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=flask
1505274;1468872490;trinque;every $framework poorly duplicates information and functionality already in a proper db
1505275;1468872528;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ah! flask is useful and quick to prototype on, fwiw
1505276;1468872553;Framedragger;trinque: no but i agree and won't argue the opposite!
1505277;1468872580;asciilifeform;aha, i used it
1505278;1468872592;trinque;poor ben_vulpes is gonna be in for a triggering when he catches up on logs
1505279;1468872601;asciilifeform;was sorta stuck with it, because the rfc4880 parser was a python lib, and i did not have time to write one from scratch.
1505280;1468872606;asciilifeform;so it pulled in the whole shebang.
1505281;1468872612;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504997 << lulzy, this.
1505282;1468872612;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 18:01 jurov: you actually tried lynx? as we are speaking, it claims to read 30MB, at 340KiB/sec, and the keeps getting down
1505283;1468872791;shinohai;"TheDAO and HF have already led to a lot of learning, bug fixes, additional research and development of contracts and platform, consensus building, and user education. So the Ethereum platform is already more valuable than before."
1505284;1468872801;shinohai;The logic of these folks.
1505285;1468872830;mircea_popescu;ahaha are these the slock.it imbeciles still trying to dodge the obvious "we suck, and we lied about it, and it blew up in our face, and we destroyed your trust and we will now go die quietly" ?
1505286;1468872862;mircea_popescu;the one thing a true blue american really abhors is any form of responsibility.
1505287;1468872897;shinohai;It is title of top rated post on r/ethereum atm: http://archive.is/uWjtJ
1505288;1468872928;shinohai;It's like a colossal shit that won't flush.
1505289;1468873013;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-24#1250825
1505290;1468873013;a111;Logged on 2015-08-24 21:16 asciilifeform: nor my toilet can accomodate 10,000 shits per day
1505291;1468873016;mircea_popescu;well in fairness - it did flush, which is how it ended up on reddit. you're the one gone plumbing.
1505292;1468873027;trinque;the things my mind indexes
1505293;1468873096;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505058 << http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#923781
1505294;1468873096;a111;Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
1505295;1468873096;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 18:18 asciilifeform: i'll admit that i've wondered for a while, what the ft meade version of phuctor looks like.
1505296;1468873231;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505197 << (i was prolly too young to ever properly try it in the wild but fwiw it rang a bell to me multiple times when looking at tmsr discussions, yeah. not that it's time to revive it or anything i guess)
1505297;1468873231;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 19:49 asciilifeform: anyone ever tempted to revive gopher ?
1505298;1468873274;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-15#923781 << dafuq
1505299;1468873274;a111;Logged on 2014-11-15 15:55 pete_dushenski: "the crews that maintain the nation’s 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles had only a single wrench that could attach the nuclear warheads. “They started FedExing the one tool” to three bases spread across the country"
1505300;1468873299;mircea_popescu;chet self-diagnosed her rare eyesight condition over gopher at a time medical science was done off paper
1505301;1468873339;Framedragger;not bad at all.
1505302;1468873396;mircea_popescu;mid 90s, the web was a different place then.
1505303;1468873443;mircea_popescu;anyway, iirc it got killed by some derpy university trying to charge people ?
1505304;1468873447;Framedragger;so i hear, hm. including bulletin boards full of phreakers from australia and all that, i suppose
1505305;1468873490;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if that were enough, gif would have died
1505306;1468873498;asciilifeform;it was really killed by 'i want graphical snatch'
1505307;1468873499;mircea_popescu;it did die, hence jpg
1505308;1468873510;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505268 << realistically i'll prolly end up waiting to see what you come up with, to steal good ideas off of you :) ; meanwhile i'll be scripting something more generic, vaporware-y, and less productive (something something federated e2e encrypted forum thing)
1505309;1468873510;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 20:07 trinque: Framedragger: no harm in duplicating effort if it's instructive; go head
1505310;1468873511;mircea_popescu;you could see images via gopher ; i have.
1505311;1468873523;asciilifeform;iirc not inline with text?
1505312;1468873525;mircea_popescu;half the medical papers consisted of scans of photos.
1505313;1468873529;mircea_popescu;no, separate document.
1505314;1468873533;asciilifeform;so then.
1505315;1468873533;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: university trying to charge people? interesting.
1505316;1468873539;mircea_popescu;who jacks off to tits INLINE WITH TEXT ?!?!
1505317;1468873547;Framedragger;heh.
1505318;1468873552;mircea_popescu;afaik trilema is the ONLY place in the history of englush text that does this.
1505319;1468873574;trinque;Framedragger: sounds like you're headed for a cool billion in vc
1505320;1468873585;Framedragger;i'll be sure to use mongodb, at scale
1505321;1468873648;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: maybe only place having pr0n pics intermixed with latin and greek, say; which is something
1505322;1468873657;mircea_popescu;anyway, one good thing gopher had that's still sorely missed was, you'd query someone's org and get their email.
1505323;1468873669;mircea_popescu;this at a time email was a very different beast also.
1505324;1468873711;Framedragger;yeah i have this stupid nostalgia for things of that kind even though i haven't experienced them myself >.<
1505325;1468873746;mircea_popescu;anyway ; it's not a case of "omg gopher was so great". to get an idea, think "navigate web through excel spreadsheet"
1505326;1468873757;asciilifeform;it was almost a glorified ftp.
1505327;1468873779;mircea_popescu;it was fundamentally flawed, among other things, by a structure externality.
1505328;1468873794;asciilifeform;the reason to remember it is - to recall that html-style 'payload can be anything and arbitrarily grungy' retardation is not the only way.
1505329;1468873817;mircea_popescu;(ie, it relied on you having a mental map of structure which it wouldn't render, or not render well. without it, it was unusable, which is why the illiterate couldn't use it well, didn't like to use it at all, and the "free form" html prevailed)
1505330;1468873839;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is the only way if you're going to have people with 0 in common use your thing.
1505331;1468873844;Framedragger;asciilifeform: so as an example of "given [directory/file] structure, allow sane access"
1505332;1468874382;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504951 + http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504952 << ah missed this in logs on first read. for the 2d plot, did you mean ip against moduli for the axes?
1505333;1468874382;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:39 asciilifeform: (a mod with 2 or more ips gets a colour; plot each ip on the traditional 2d grid, and connect with line of that colour.)
1505334;1468874382;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 17:38 asciilifeform: it would not take long to snarf them up and 2d plot by ip
1505335;1468874420;asciilifeform;no.
1505336;1468874423;asciilifeform;i meant this kind,
1505337;1468874424;asciilifeform;https://ant.isi.edu/address/it.37.all.16-subnet_stats.3px-per-point.annotated.png
1505338;1468874447;Framedragger;ah, hilbert curve
1505339;1468874449;asciilifeform;every modulus that turns up at more than 1 addr, gets a colour (which colour? use 4colourmaptheorem)
1505340;1468874458;Framedragger;(i mean that's what it is right?)
1505341;1468874459;asciilifeform;the rest, described earlier.
1505342;1468874504;Framedragger;asciilifeform: aha! hey might as well start with this, sounds good - thanks for the idea
1505343;1468874562;Framedragger;asciilifeform: "connect with line" you meant actually drawing lines to show clusters, right? sorry for slowness - off to bed soon
1505344;1468876485;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1505343 << aha.
1505345;1468876485;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 20:42 Framedragger: asciilifeform: "connect with line" you meant actually drawing lines to show clusters, right? sorry for slowness - off to bed soon
1505346;1468877724;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ty, cheers
1505347;1468877724;Framedragger;jurov: elinks loads it fine on ssd but search doesn't work (~works, but notrly). i think i used lynx when looking up stuff on phuctor tho. oh well. :/
1505348;1468881406;shinohai;http://archive.is/RiRfl   "We still reserve the right to act against the voting result in case there are security issues identified in the hard fork code or the pool will end up on the non-winning chain".
1505349;1468881683;mircea_popescu;"your buttons are not connected to anything in particular - please push them at will!"
1505350;1468882435;mircea_popescu;and in other homemade spaceship news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/b98c7d3b963b8365c786c382be4f6b25/tumblr_nlmu53Wilr1u25ct8o2_1280.jpg
1505351;1468882815;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://cryptome.org/2016/07/cloudflare-de-anons-tor.htm
1505352;1468885540;mircea_popescu;actually, nsa is that incompetent, but that's besides the point.
1505353;1468885566;mircea_popescu;the psychopathology around "anonymity" is kinda facinating to watch.
1505354;1468887847;mod6;<+shinohai> It's like a colossal shit that won't flush. << haha
1505355;1468895590;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1505356;1468895592;gribble;Current Blocks: 421364 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1995 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1505357;1468895888;BingoBoingo;WWE https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/77/PokemonGo-WWEGym.png
1505358;1468896424;deedbot;[Qntra] First Difficulty Adjustment After Halving: Very Slight Increase - http://qntra.net/2016/07/first-difficulty-adjustment-after-halving-very-slight-increase/
1505359;1468925893;jurov;http://imgur.com/a/KSjaJ
1505360;1468925918;jurov;"Masha Market - Everything for health - Tea, Vodka, Books"
1505361;1468930230;thestringpuller;"I've noticed a trend with these guys. They're too dumb to even know they are clowns. Well I guess they're focused on the present and not the future. Money counts for these guys. He's nothing but a banker selling btc." and has reply >> "Dunning–Kruger effect" It's odd reading comments like that on reddit.
1505362;1468930244;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4tj82o/hes_back_with_stupid_tweets_now_comparing_the/d5hrewa << for those wanting to follow the brain damage.
1505363;1468930569;thestringpuller;Also they are nailing the doors shut on Ether tomorrow until "clear winner": "As a Poloniex customer, you do not need to do anything. The migration will occur automatically, and your full balance of Ethereum will be transferred to the winning chain. Keep in mind that as we near the fork, we will be temporarily disabling deposits and withdrawals in preparation for the migration process. Trading will continue to operate as normal during
1505364;1468930639;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 << there is no $ideology per se ; tmsr is principally characterized by lack of ideology. everyone else has one, however, and they're often patently insane and amazingly complex.
1505365;1468930639;mircea_popescu;(take for instance the "independent" demo as described in http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#footnote_6_65060 and more generally by Ballas. it's well over 100k loi, most of which are involved with covering up the fact that there's any ideology at work in the first place)
1505366;1468930696;mircea_popescu;so the way deculturation works is, derp comes to tmsr, makes statements, which belie assumptions, which are explicitly stated BY someone in tmsr for the first time in derp's experience, and then rejected explicitly. sometimes a cause is presented, but this is not particularly "better" than none being offered. the burden is on the derp ANYWAY.
1505367;1468930729;mircea_popescu;obviously, most derps are, owing to fundamental genetic insufficiency, unable to handle the plain statement of their assumptions. these, we call cattle.
1505368;1468930783;mircea_popescu;a few of them, recently called the "hopefuls" but otherwise simply the incarnation of evil, are capable of handling the statement of their assumptions, but are unwilling to separate themselves from what "they want", which is usually stupid but that's not something they're prepared to face.
1505369;1468930819;mircea_popescu;this is always and everywhere personal failure, sometimes a forced mistake (like the female's universal "wanting kids to survive", which is stupid but nevertheless part of her ample array of genital curses)
1505370;1468930856;mircea_popescu;something that may appear as a subcase but i believe is not (not that the dispute is all that relevant) and in any case is more numerous is the jwz : the fellow that "just wants to" keep right on being lazy.
1505371;1468930886;mircea_popescu;laziness is a natural want, and unavoidable. (no, wanting your children to survive is not natural, but perverse, and a major part of what makes kant's timber crooked.)
1505372;1468930993;mircea_popescu;so to sum up, the process is more like washing than anything else. gunk removal.
1505373;1468931094;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller and if there's two chains surviving, customer gets one poloniex gets to keep the other ?
1505374;1468931115;mircea_popescu;not that it's much of a concern, there's exactly ONE customer doing eth on poloniex. but as a theoretical thing.
1505375;1468931730;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "In addition, for those interested in keeping their tokens from the losing blockchain as a keepsake, we will support a one-time withdrawal of the deprecated tokens, provided that the losing chain is still functional when you attempt a withdrawal. Specific instructions on how to access your tokens on the old chain to follow."
1505376;1468931753;thestringpuller;If shit really hits the fan with the hardfork, the doors are nailed shut indefinitely.
1505377;1468931774;thestringpuller;Its like setting off a nuke to kill a mouse...
1505378;1468932037;thestringpuller;shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble.
1505379;1468934466;asciilifeform;l0gz dead
1505380;1468935298;jurov;logs were prolly decultured
1505381;1468935794;mircea_popescu;  thestringpuller ah i cv
1505382;1468935809;mircea_popescu;o darn there's no...
1505383;1468935821;*;mircea_popescu sees in the scrollback that the fact of there being no log has already been mentioned :D
1505384;1468935923;mircea_popescu;anyway, the code || ideology parallel should be pretty obvious. yes people run other [from their wot] people's text, but this is neither obligatory nor particularly encouraged. on the contrary, with ideology as with code as with "wot maintenance best practices" and as with any other text, heterogeny is the key to victory.
1505385;1468936569;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly, since i apparently fell in a barrel of reading old history, fellow describing "the cruelty" of mehmed 2 : "for some books stolen from his secretary he punished an entire village to be moved to asia ; for a stolen watermelon he took the life of a suspected janissary, and he did not back down from killing with his own hand the most adored being in the harem, who had shackled him with her exceptional beauty to the p
1505386;1468936569;mircea_popescu;oint of forgetting his duties as head of state."
1505387;1468936600;mircea_popescu;this item is not found in anglo historiography apparently.
1505388;1468936895;asciilifeform;hey, ibrahim drowned whole fucking harem
1505389;1468936909;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1505390;1468936935;mircea_popescu;but the principle of the thing. "if you love her set her free" apparently means something else in ottoman turkish.
1505391;1468936963;asciilifeform;i bet he saw it as little different from modern bloke throwing out his pack of cigs 'tryin' to quit'
1505392;1468936964;*;mircea_popescu would have simply sold the girl, but then again /me is no turk.
1505393;1468936976;mircea_popescu;i bet he did.
1505394;1468937007;asciilifeform;iirc they never, for some reason, surplussed the gurlz
1505395;1468937008;shinohai;Logged  7-19-2016 08:39 +thestringpuller shinohai: they added steem to poloniex. shit is bubbling. i wish there was enough liquidity to go short. this is the ultimate bubble.  <<<only teh American exchanges I see
1505396;1468937030;mircea_popescu;you should read the poetry of the time, they were pretty drunk on a sort of adolescent male idealism perhaps best rendered as sportsfan-hiphop in today's terms.
1505397;1468937034;asciilifeform;always parked them in this old-palace-jail thing
1505398;1468937061;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and yet they gave the nobles caftans, ie, "here's this holy piece of clothing, worth so much more than the fabric and cut to you because i'm giving it"
1505399;1468937067;mircea_popescu;it makes sense to give out the girls also, neh ?
1505400;1468937083;mircea_popescu;with a little training they'll be more of a tool of state than the dubious religion
1505401;1468937087;asciilifeform;culture is the set of arbitrary window dressing that dun make sense.
1505402;1468937094;asciilifeform;all else is engineering.
1505403;1468937095;mircea_popescu;(mehmed, like most other sultans, was a bit of an atheist)
1505404;1468937111;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. culture makes more sense, on average, than any bit of engineering.
1505405;1468937146;asciilifeform;at the core is a buncha very arbitrary jumper settings.
1505406;1468937152;asciilifeform;i.e., the item above.
1505407;1468937154;mircea_popescu;it doesn't ~work~, but that's a very different story.
1505408;1468937157;asciilifeform;why not gurlz? no reason.
1505409;1468937162;asciilifeform;just the way we set them jumpers.
1505410;1468937168;mircea_popescu;mno, there usually is a reason.
1505411;1468937176;mircea_popescu;just, takes some study.
1505412;1468937196;asciilifeform;for some reason my first thought is 'furby'
1505413;1468937212;asciilifeform;there was a toy, 'furby', sorta a stuffed devil, that would randomly memorize bits of speech heard from microphone
1505414;1468937220;asciilifeform;and parrot it back in a jumbled cacophony
1505415;1468937233;asciilifeform;they were forbidden in usg enclaves almost immediately
1505416;1468937237;asciilifeform;for the same reason as parrot.
1505417;1468937248;asciilifeform;possibly the 'no surplus chix!' thing has similar root causes.
1505418;1468937256;mircea_popescu;the basic, and really only, rule of hermeneutics is : that then you've understood a text when, far from its shortcomings appearing inexplicable errors, they become the actual pillars upon which the damned thing is constructed, and what originally seemed to you sensible and structural takes its true place as accidental.
1505419;1468937290;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as "why is e < 3??" "no reason" in nature, and from there in engineering. there isn't really such a thing in society, and from there in culture.
1505420;1468937344;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except who did any political business among the baths and wet tits ?! not really how it worked ; presuming the girl's not accepted back in... which is perhaps where the rub is.
1505421;1468938005;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here, beyazit ordered paintings made for his father by bellini (sent from venice at sultan's request) sold in the bazaar and enough with this dumb shit.
1505422;1468938026;mircea_popescu;truly odd this theory, that they'd sell the paintings but not the girls.
1505423;1468939276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc the occasional harem washout was married off to a pasha
1505424;1468939293;asciilifeform;so they weren't wholly disposable.
1505425;1468940882;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1505426;1468940885;gribble;Current Blocks: 421426 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1933 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 12 hours, 48 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1505427;1468941510;shinohai;yay! logz
1505428;1468941968;mircea_popescu;$up webbyz
1505429;1468941969;deedbot;webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.
1505430;1468941991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orlov has an interesting pill for mircea_popescu's 'if yer boat has a hole, you gotta drydock it and now you're out $maxint' >> http://quidnon.blogspot.com/2016/07/on-women-boats-and-plumbing.html
1505431;1468942029;asciilifeform;(for the impatient, last section, grep for 'blow the tanks')
1505432;1468942049;webbyz;$up iKant
1505433;1468942049;deedbot;webbyz may not $up iKant
1505434;1468942064;mircea_popescu;$up iKant
1505435;1468942064;deedbot;iKant voiced for 30 minutes.
1505436;1468942080;webbyz;$up deedbot
1505437;1468942080;deedbot;webbyz may not $up deedbot
1505438;1468942096;*;mircea_popescu never likes the results, but perseveres reading orlov linked material.
1505439;1468942122;webbyz;go $up yourself
1505440;1468942201;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno about his nonsense. every (admittedly, large, expensive) boat i've been in had detachable pannels. you first take the shit OFF, then fuck with the pipes gauges etc in the normal manner. yes it takes 3x as long as if you were doing house plumbing, but that's about it.
1505441;1468942211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's boats were pleasure boats for rich folk.
1505442;1468942223;asciilifeform;not houses for orlov.
1505443;1468942239;mircea_popescu;~townhouse on water, so to speak.
1505444;1468942263;asciilifeform;'quidnon' is orlov's crackpot design, it will, he wrote, be published as plans on www, and sold as diy kit.
1505445;1468942315;asciilifeform;has a number of unusual design features for self-sufficiency (flotation arch for uncapsizing, sub-style water tanks for emergency buoyancy, as described in linked piece, etc)
1505446;1468942336;mircea_popescu;tbh i think it may rather be a matter of agwe
1505447;1468942349;asciilifeform;what's agwe ?
1505448;1468942354;mircea_popescu;engineering took a sharp turn to sanity sometime in the 80s wrt to this sort of "vacuum spherical chicken" issue.
1505449;1468942359;mircea_popescu;age*
1505450;1468942399;asciilifeform;hm?
1505451;1468942443;mircea_popescu;to quote : "Boat plumbing systems are virtually never designed with ease of maintenance in mind; mostly they are an afterthought, not so much engineered as crammed together in any space that’s available. A very common problem is that working on them requires the use of tools—screwdrivers, channel locks, sockets with ratchets—but there is no room to wield these tools in the normal manner, and just about every operation r
1505452;1468942443;mircea_popescu;equires one to become a contortionist. Another common problem is lack of space for both the arm (with which to work on things) and the head (with which to look at what you are doing), meaning that much of the work has to do be done “by Braille.”
1505453;1468942459;mircea_popescu;this sounds very much like an item made pre 1980 than post 1990.
1505454;1468942476;asciilifeform;also size.
1505455;1468942493;asciilifeform;he sails strictly sailboats, and strictly ones which fit in a standard american slip
1505456;1468942515;asciilifeform;and lives in them, with wife and son even, and there is not much extra space.
1505457;1468942563;asciilifeform;from past orlov&boat threads, iirc mircea_popescu sailed titanic diesels.
1505458;1468942577;asciilifeform;might account for some of the 'wtf' factor.
1505459;1468942611;mircea_popescu;i also sailed proper sailboats ; which have no plumbing. under discussion here, both from the introduction of the article you quote, and from his "live in boat" general outlook, are pointedly NOT sailboats.
1505460;1468942613;asciilifeform;an orlovian boat is a machine strictly smaller than a refrigerator truck.
1505461;1468942622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes but did you attempt to ~live~ in them.
1505462;1468942631;mircea_popescu;no, because they aren't made for this purpose.
1505463;1468942637;mircea_popescu;have you attempted to live in computer case ?
1505464;1468942649;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all of mr o's materials presume 'live in boat' means sailboat.
1505465;1468942653;mircea_popescu;i also never attempted to live in my shoes, or judge shoes by how "livable in" they are.
1505466;1468942670;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, that's nonsense, no saving it. fuck, sailboat with plumbing ? wut ?
1505467;1468942678;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are not made for this purpose, but he is attempting to design one which is..
1505468;1468942742;asciilifeform;and whole point of engineering is to convert 'that's nonsense' into 'grudgingly sense', powered by certain amount of money and elbow grease. consider space capsule.
1505469;1468942750;asciilifeform;man lives in vacuum? 'nonsense!'
1505470;1468942756;asciilifeform;but if you must - you can.
1505471;1468942794;mircea_popescu;see, a sailboat, ie, the thing you run sail and rigging championships etc with ? that thing has no generator, because it's heavy. most have no engine either, except where legally required on occasion, and the presence of engine is disdained universally. etc.
1505472;1468942805;asciilifeform;imho orlov is making a mistake though - he ought to be designing a submarine.
1505473;1468942812;mircea_popescu;nuclear one at that.
1505474;1468942817;asciilifeform;... which cannot capsize, and is difficult to detect for pirate
1505475;1468942834;asciilifeform;(of either amateur or usgistic variety)
1505476;1468942885;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: your sailboats, again, are a 'race horse' luxurywank item, not a practical instrument
1505477;1468942889;mircea_popescu;best i can discern from the unexpected in this latest convo, he's trying to do something that makes no sense for the market, a sort of ostrich-camel of epic proportions.
1505478;1468942893;mircea_popescu;but w/e, maybe he's special.
1505479;1468942898;asciilifeform;i am interested in his ostrichcamel.
1505480;1468942916;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no "practical instrument" that is the unworkable cross between a hammer and a screwdriver.
1505481;1468942979;mircea_popescu;you may be interested ; but the market for "sailboat" is composed of people who already own say a race horse, or sponsor a speed racing team etc ; they're ready to spend by the million.
1505482;1468942985;asciilifeform;not this one.
1505483;1468942998;asciilifeform;this is rather like that ibm fella who wrote 'there is a market for five computers'
1505484;1468943000;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the market for "boathouse" is composed of people who already own townhouse in large town ; also prepared to spend by the million.
1505485;1468943002;asciilifeform;in, when was it, '52 ?
1505486;1468943006;phf;sailboat != boat with sail
1505487;1468943024;mircea_popescu;phf i have nfi what any of the terms mean as used, for the record. we're in plebeconfusionland.
1505488;1468943042;asciilifeform;it is quite conceivable that there is item, which is recognizably a computer, but not one of the items for which ibm correctly assessed a market sized 5 units in '52.
1505489;1468943077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's 'sailboat' is a racing yacht. orlov's is a (mostly) wind-powered antisocial survival capsule.
1505490;1468943088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ibm example isn't so good. the sort of phenomena that were conquered to produce the 1k chickens 1950-1990 are very fucking different from the sort of phenomena the boat has to encounter,
1505491;1468943089;asciilifeform;which is why i follow the subj.
1505492;1468943094;mircea_popescu;and which has not produced any sort of improvement EVER!
1505493;1468943110;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: plastics happened.
1505494;1468943113;mircea_popescu;for the record, the hull design style of the vikings STILL IS! to this day! the best, fastest and so on.
1505495;1468943128;mircea_popescu;plastics ain't that big a deal.
1505496;1468943153;asciilifeform;even the yacht folks are using fiberglass/epoxy.
1505497;1468943156;asciilifeform;so yes, deal.
1505498;1468943178;asciilifeform;a boat is no longer definitionally 10,001 planks.
1505499;1468943180;mircea_popescu;the improvement plastics and composites (current generation, EXPENSIVE!) offer over selected historical wood is marginal, if at all present.
1505500;1468943194;mircea_popescu;nothing like the advantage doped silicone offers over old galene/lead whatevers.
1505501;1468943218;asciilifeform;again the 'expensive' thing is rather like observing that f-16 parts are costly. yes, because golden toilet buyers. compare instead with mig.
1505502;1468943218;mircea_popescu;people use plastic because cheaper plastic is cheaper than cheap wood, and there better.
1505503;1468943224;asciilifeform;or better yet, sopwith.
1505504;1468943230;mircea_popescu;expensive wood is not a case of "hey, x team can never win, cedar lol"
1505505;1468943284;asciilifeform;iirc no one ever even ~tried~ the 'optimize for cost, survival boat' design prior.
1505506;1468943319;asciilifeform;i suspect that mircea_popescu pisses on 'quidnon' for reasons which have nothing to do with hydrodynamics or metallurgy
1505507;1468943333;phf;nah, there was that other guy who built a computerized nomadic boat house (i think he started with a computerized recumbent bike in the 80s) and unlike orlol he actually documented his process very extensively
1505508;1468943342;asciilifeform;but rather that he is revolted by the concept of antisocial capsule per se
1505509;1468943382;trinque;sounds like resigning to die, but then not having the dignity to eat the bullet
1505510;1468943383;asciilifeform;phf: what was 'boat house' in context ? afaik the phrase usually refers to a fragile river barge thing, rather than machine to survive north atlantic
1505511;1468943399;phf;asciilifeform: the latter
1505512;1468943401;phf;http://microship.com/
1505513;1468943409;asciilifeform;phf: interesting
1505514;1468943428;asciilifeform;phf: ok not so interesting. it's a giant diesel thing
1505515;1468943437;asciilifeform;full of $maxint tech
1505516;1468943459;phf;well, it has both sail and diesel
1505517;1468943464;asciilifeform;about as practical, for a non-mircea_popescu, as a space station, to own.
1505518;1468943503;phf;and the problem he was trying to solve is a lot closer to what you want to achieve, i.e. put lab on water, rather than recreate the lifestyle of late 6th century pirate nomads or whatever
1505519;1468943514;phf;with corresponding required capital investment
1505520;1468943523;trinque;if you've reached the point where the world has beaten you back to being willing to live in a shipping container, why live?
1505521;1468943565;trinque;this guy's got a lab, what, to continue taking part in the same world he can't stand?
1505522;1468943581;phf;trinque: wut
1505523;1468943588;trinque;exactly what I said.
1505524;1468943590;thestringpuller;trinque: http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-KU141_blackl_G_20151015224318.jpg << not if your shipping container looks like this on the inside
1505525;1468943630;asciilifeform;trinque: there is a great deal to be said for living in a shipping container
1505526;1468943653;asciilifeform;i would happily move into one RIGHT NOW if it meant that i could start accumulating escape money..
1505527;1468943661;phf;trinque: it's techno nomad, it's a thing. microship guy doesn't really try to solve same problem as orlol, it's all different people with personal interests and agendas that don't necessarily compose into a single stereotype
1505528;1468943668;asciilifeform;so long as it were a container AT SEA and not in a bum park
1505529;1468943673;asciilifeform;AWAY FROM PEOPLE
1505530;1468943675;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505505 << this is a ridiculous notion ; for one thing, polynesia got colonized prior to the age of sail.
1505531;1468943675;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:48 asciilifeform: iirc no one ever even ~tried~ the 'optimize for cost, survival boat' design prior.
1505532;1468943688;asciilifeform;no one in industrial age. fine.
1505533;1468943705;asciilifeform;may as well bring up crashed pilots building rafts, optimizing for cost..
1505534;1468943709;mircea_popescu;far be itfrom me to insult your boyish dream of independence ; but let it be said that boats are boats and have been so for a long time now.
1505535;1468943725;asciilifeform;and arithmetic is arithmetic and what is this steam computer nonsense.
1505536;1468943731;asciilifeform;long division will be same forever!111
1505537;1468943751;mircea_popescu;for that matter, recorded performance in both the time of venice owning the mediteranean and of portuguese empire in south china sea is not currently met by "performant" plastic boats.
1505538;1468943756;asciilifeform;foolish dreams of mechanical arithmetizers notwithstanding!11
1505539;1468943785;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look, there's nothing wrong with this principle in principle, but electric performance and hydrodynamic performance are not the same thing
1505540;1468943799;mircea_popescu;look at tables of materials, comparing say young modulus and resistivity.
1505541;1468943810;mircea_popescu;different phenomena, with the former much narrower for good physical reasons.
1505542;1468943832;mircea_popescu;yes, wood makes a very poor cpu ; lead sulphide better ; silicone-germanium mix even better.
1505543;1468943845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: consider pykrete.
1505544;1468943847;mircea_popescu;yet! wood makes fine boat ; some plastics cheaper, some composites somewhat better much more expensive. that's it.
1505545;1468943852;mircea_popescu;what of pykrete ?
1505546;1468943859;asciilifeform;it is a qualitative jump, in cost AND repairability, and i have nfi why orlov ignored it.
1505547;1468943865;mircea_popescu;it isn't, no.
1505548;1468943886;asciilifeform;eh you get a hull for so long as you can score a few kg of sawdust every month.
1505549;1468943890;asciilifeform;this imho is a win.
1505550;1468943893;mircea_popescu;it just seems so, until and unless you try to ... you know, emplace a cannon on it. "shit, it slides!!"
1505551;1468943898;asciilifeform;ah no.
1505552;1468943902;mircea_popescu;ah well then.
1505553;1468943904;asciilifeform;there was a test vessel, worked great.
1505554;1468943907;asciilifeform;no slide.
1505555;1468943910;trinque;phf: there's a contradiction in someone that just wants to techmology, doesn't want to have to talk to anyone. Technology is a social enterprise; if social conditions are that bad, there are problems more fundamental than "can't have real computer" and such.
1505556;1468943915;asciilifeform;you can anchor bolts in it, like in cement.
1505557;1468943925;asciilifeform;and it surfaces ok.
1505558;1468943939;asciilifeform;trinque: 'talk to anyone' i am happy to do. but a SELECTABLE 'anyone'.
1505559;1468943945;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can calculate the energy cannon firings release per firing. that goes into melting your platform.
1505560;1468943948;asciilifeform;pointedly not 'neighbours in trailer park'
1505561;1468943951;trinque;asciilifeform: you can select now
1505562;1468943955;phf;trinque: you're making assumptions about these other people from what asciilifeform is saying
1505563;1468943971;asciilifeform;trinque: i pay the equivalent of a nice car every year for this selection.
1505564;1468943981;trinque;phf: mostly speaking to that, yes. this guy with the $maxint boat probably spends plenty of time off it too
1505565;1468944014;asciilifeform;trinque: i would prefer to select simply by moving my house into international water and submerging.
1505566;1468944029;phf;even orlol made a point a few times that he boats not because end of world, but because it's in his nomadic nature. that's distinctly not what asciilifeform is trying to do
1505567;1468944050;trinque;could make sense. I'm a city creature.
1505568;1468944067;asciilifeform;actually orlov did at one point say that he would be happy to live in a land truck but it is too easily accessible by enemies
1505569;1468944068;phf;trinque: like this picture is more representative http://microship.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Move-House-bike-tent-1024x710.jpg :>
1505570;1468944069;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505489 << it is a very naive view to "Antisocial" that you will ... find a daddy to enforce the limits for you. God ocean has better shit to do, just like yahveh has better shit to do.
1505571;1468944070;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'sailboat' is a racing yacht. orlov's is a (mostly) wind-powered antisocial survival capsule.
1505572;1468944092;mircea_popescu;this is in no substantial way different from the "Reisistance through culture" of the soviet "intellectuals" aka schmucks.
1505573;1468944094;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu simply doesn't grok the depth of asciilifeform's misanthropy.
1505574;1468944115;mircea_popescu;no, has nothing to do with you. we're discussing boats not your person hiar.
1505575;1468944131;asciilifeform;that was simply answer to 'why interest in subj'
1505576;1468944149;mircea_popescu;no matter how sad you are, hair's not gonna jump off the scissors and back on your head ; no matter how emo you are, ocean still won't suddenly become a space allocator working as you want it to.
1505577;1468944166;asciilifeform;this however is an engineering question
1505578;1468944171;mircea_popescu;not really, no.
1505579;1468944173;asciilifeform;just as 'can man live on mars' is.
1505580;1468944193;mircea_popescu;"can man live on mars" is engineering question ; "can man live on mars to escape lost love" is not.
1505581;1468944198;mircea_popescu;yours is of the later kind.
1505582;1468944222;asciilifeform;it is a textbook 'cutting apart' item: what does yacht cost if you cut away all of the dirigible crapolade
1505583;1468944239;asciilifeform;(rare woods, racing optimizations, lack of plumbing, etc)
1505584;1468944252;phf;i think ascii would benefit best from building Nautilus. spacious, has lab, has pet, mostly as away from humans as possible, can defend itself from government and pirates. an entirely imaginary device
1505585;1468944253;mircea_popescu;and the answer is that "yacht" only exists in mind of people too poor to have experience with the matter ; and otherwise it's a number of discrete items you're invited to pick amongst.
1505586;1468944284;mircea_popescu;phf wait, did nemo actually have fucktoy on board ?!
1505587;1468944300;mircea_popescu;i musta slept through this.
1505588;1468944306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i actually poked nose into the subj, so not entirely innocent of 'yacht is 1,01 types of machine' concept
1505589;1468944318;phf;well, it was victorian equivalent of fucktoy, mostly just lots of talking and showing off :>
1505590;1468944320;mircea_popescu;did you poke nose in the sense of actually spending any sort of time on water ?
1505591;1468944325;asciilifeform;where would i ?
1505592;1468944331;asciilifeform;i did not spend any time on mars, either
1505593;1468944332;mircea_popescu;cuz the idea that you'd want to, in preference of, say, prison, is entirely shocking to me.
1505594;1468944339;asciilifeform;I HATE PEOPLE
1505595;1468944341;asciilifeform;this is hard concept ?
1505596;1468944353;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prison is right there with monastery. no people.
1505597;1468944360;asciilifeform;which prison is that ?
1505598;1468944366;mircea_popescu;phf i have no recolection of this. testament to my interest in female anything aged 12, when i read jules verne.
1505599;1468944384;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any serious one. and if they put you in general population, slit a throat or two, you'll get solitary and be happy.
1505600;1468944460;phf;mircea_popescu: huh, i checked the plot and i was wrong, i was convinced that the protagonist was a lady
1505601;1468944473;asciilifeform;'prisoner held incommunicado' is not same as 'i choose when i want to people and when not to'
1505602;1468944477;mircea_popescu;o.O
1505603;1468944487;mircea_popescu;you flatter yourself as to your choices on the sea.
1505604;1468944496;mircea_popescu;there's a reason greeks call it the master of things.
1505605;1468944528;asciilifeform;they did not have subs.
1505606;1468944529;mircea_popescu;only land lubber could conceivably have this notion of the sea, as a sort of commodified milk in carton in fridge.
1505607;1468944530;mircea_popescu;it ain't.
1505608;1468944533;asciilifeform;which laugh at storms and rocks.
1505609;1468944539;mircea_popescu;the greeks ? ironically, thye did ya!
1505610;1468944549;asciilifeform;waiwut
1505611;1468944553;mircea_popescu;toy subs, like the toy steam engine
1505612;1468944570;asciilifeform;iirc barrel sub was a 17th c. item.
1505613;1468944579;asciilifeform;no confirmed examples prior.
1505614;1468944586;mircea_popescu;afaik 3bc, pearl hunting item
1505615;1468944592;asciilifeform;diving bell? not sub!
1505616;1468944593;asciilifeform;omfg
1505617;1468944599;asciilifeform;go weather a storm in a diving bell.
1505618;1468944605;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1505619;1468944605;asciilifeform;and sail back home in it.
1505620;1468944714;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505506 << what'd they be ?
1505621;1468944715;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:48 asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu pisses on 'quidnon' for reasons which have nothing to do with hydrodynamics or metallurgy
1505622;1468944739;asciilifeform;well, this, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505593 etc.
1505623;1468944739;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 16:05 mircea_popescu: cuz the idea that you'd want to, in preference of, say, prison, is entirely shocking to me.
1505624;1468944754;mircea_popescu;no, that's an unrelated item.
1505625;1468944754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu doesn't even conceptualize the problem i'd like solved as being a problem.
1505626;1468944767;asciilifeform;he sees it as a 'how can i make green a prime number' or the like.
1505627;1468944797;mircea_popescu;no, no. on one hand, i see your approach to be fundamentally flawed, for lack of experience. this is a practical consideration. on the other hand, i suspect the flaw may not be accidental, but proceed from psychogenic cause, which is unclear to me.
1505628;1468944806;asciilifeform;incidentally i see 'quidnon' as a terrible design, and have no expectation that i will ever set foot in one.
1505629;1468944819;mircea_popescu;wait, that's actually the name of something ?
1505630;1468944823;asciilifeform;his machine, aha
1505631;1468944828;mircea_popescu;ah ok.
1505632;1468944854;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's not a matter of how to make green a prime number. it's more of a matter of "how to make cryptographic rng work from a seed".
1505633;1468944871;mircea_popescu;there's fundamental breakage underlying this being "conceptualized" as a problem in the first place.
1505634;1468944882;asciilifeform;i dun see the link.
1505635;1468944900;asciilifeform;as i picture it, 'orlov's boat' is simply a lower-tech variation of the theme of 'mars dome'
1505636;1468944912;asciilifeform;which may or may not be possible, but strictly for physical reasons
1505637;1468944915;mircea_popescu;the theme of "mars dome" is a fiction trope.
1505638;1468944943;mircea_popescu;hence the obvious connection to the adventures of captain nemo, as retold by verne.
1505639;1468944978;asciilifeform;there is a distinction between the ~physically~ and ~economically~ impossible machine.
1505640;1468944986;asciilifeform;the former is a waste of mental cycles
1505641;1468944989;asciilifeform;the latter - is not necessarily.
1505642;1468944991;mircea_popescu;if we'll colonize, it'll likely be venus before mars, and it'll likely be through planetary scale atmospheric intervention rather than "domes" wtf be those.
1505643;1468945010;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the transport vessel is a special case of 'dome'
1505644;1468945014;asciilifeform;for this purpose.
1505645;1468945025;mircea_popescu;fiction may contain the emotions of the author, as a point for his compatriots to fixate on and navigate what otherwise is endless, meaningless, the sea of representation.
1505646;1468945030;mircea_popescu;technology doth not flow this way.
1505647;1468945056;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the transport vessel is a case of dome much in the way spontaneous healing of aids is a case of divine grace.
1505648;1468945059;mircea_popescu;sure, if you want it to.
1505649;1468945077;asciilifeform;in the abstract sense of 'box in which i can weld myself in and survive for Y years'
1505650;1468945087;asciilifeform;against vacuum, meteorites
1505651;1468945105;mircea_popescu;this isn't really how transport vessels work, except for a subset of young males.
1505652;1468945121;asciilifeform;let's take a living example, the nuke sub
1505653;1468945125;mircea_popescu;ok.
1505654;1468945142;asciilifeform;patrol is about 3 mo. long, for largely psychiatric reasons (they COULD store moar phood, but do not)
1505655;1468945151;asciilifeform;overhaul is a ~yearly thing.
1505656;1468945152;asciilifeform;(iirc)
1505657;1468945155;mircea_popescu;see ?
1505658;1468945159;mircea_popescu;you got your answer right htere.
1505659;1468945164;asciilifeform;so next question is, can improve this ?
1505660;1468945184;asciilifeform;how much of the $maxint machine do you ~need~ if you don't need to launch nukes ? etc
1505661;1468945190;mircea_popescu;the nuke sub is exactly an item with no utility or human interest, built under the PRETEXT of a "nuclear war", which is another fiction trope with not much real anchorage (as discussed in some trilema article).
1505662;1468945197;mircea_popescu;upon practice, it turns out that... people dun wanna be there.
1505663;1468945201;mircea_popescu;which is why my q re prison.
1505664;1468945209;asciilifeform;people dun wanna be in a tank either.
1505665;1468945218;mircea_popescu;"but i do" ?
1505666;1468945230;asciilifeform;as a boy i very much wanted to.
1505667;1468945234;mircea_popescu;hence my point.
1505668;1468945243;mircea_popescu;go, sail a little, get teh gargauni out ?
1505669;1468945262;mircea_popescu;you wouldn't want TO LIVE IN YOUR FUCKING CAR, communitng forever for the rest of your life, yes ?
1505670;1468945269;asciilifeform;not that i couldn't arrange it, but that it would not be accurate picture of ~purpose-designed~ capsule
1505671;1468945273;mircea_popescu;EVEN IF i fucking armored it and added a thermoplonjon thing.
1505672;1468945286;asciilifeform;i would happily live in a truck if the truck could be teleported into a parallel space with 0 people by push of a button.
1505673;1468945310;asciilifeform;(yes this is not what you get in a boat, but it is a kind of mathematical ideal)
1505674;1468945320;mircea_popescu;alternatively, "accepta-l pe gusti in viata ta"
1505675;1468945323;mircea_popescu;you know that one ?
1505676;1468945329;asciilifeform;nein
1505677;1468945379;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ql0xDyJuZU <<
1505678;1468945402;mircea_popescu;(they're lost in space, the histrion takes a shit, which flies towards the foil ; "accept Gusti in your life!")
1505679;1468945427;asciilifeform;i must confess, this is a hard nut
1505680;1468945456;mircea_popescu;"i swear it came out by itself! i didn't even push! it has a mind of its own! let's call him gusti!"
1505681;1468945493;asciilifeform;still not obvious, perhaps i'm thick
1505682;1468945514;mircea_popescu;"look how it leaves... like a child his house.... go gusti! follow your dreams! you too could, one day, be president!"
1505683;1468945535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform women shit shits into the world, which follow their dreams and could one day be president. accept gusti in your life!
1505684;1468945710;asciilifeform;is this simply variation on familiar mircea_popescu program 'i am demigod and if somebody has a motivation i don't grasp, they are inconsequential sea slug and stfu' ?
1505685;1468945722;mircea_popescu;well, i suppose it could be.
1505686;1468945727;asciilifeform;fair'nuff.
1505687;1468945761;mircea_popescu;but to my eyes, it;s more a case of "i want impossible item" "why ?" "because of strange notion" "Wouldn't it be cheaper to..." "fu demigod, it is true humanity to do the impossible ; takes demigod to accept the obvious!"
1505688;1468945780;mircea_popescu;which is not necessarily a mistaken view.
1505689;1468945840;asciilifeform;the last time we had this thread we got a, imho, more interesting mircea_popescuine: 'boat is wrong problem because you are trying to make being poor and powerless work, if yer poor yer job is to die'
1505690;1468945856;mircea_popescu;i'm not entirely sure this is that different from that.
1505691;1468945868;asciilifeform;well it was a philosophical rather than technical counter.
1505692;1468945883;asciilifeform;'no, mr bond, we expect you to die!111'
1505693;1468945912;mircea_popescu;there was a technical counter there, as here ; it was abandoned upon your surrender. what was left were there as here "philosophical" let's say items, which lacking any proper substance can continue indefinitely.
1505694;1468945934;asciilifeform;i see the hypothetical machine as a pill against 'if yer poor you gotta live near other poor folks'
1505695;1468945959;mircea_popescu;(proper there meaning "of its own" not "correct")
1505696;1468945966;asciilifeform;which is the fundamental problem with live-in trucks etc.
1505697;1468945980;mircea_popescu;why do you think it is a fundamental problem with only SOME things is beyond me.
1505698;1468945988;mircea_popescu;seems more wilful self-hypnosis than anything.
1505699;1468946010;asciilifeform;elaborate plox?
1505700;1468946014;mircea_popescu;if you're poor your only hope of survival is the swarm. this is a point of fact, and why peasants and hunters flocked to town to be poor there.
1505701;1468946027;mircea_popescu;this is the definition of poverty, nude and rude : incapable of surviving on own.
1505702;1468946047;asciilifeform;not how american push west worked.
1505703;1468946054;mircea_popescu;quite how it worked, yes.
1505704;1468946061;asciilifeform;plenty of 'poor and we will live four days' journey from the next poor'
1505705;1468946084;mircea_popescu;demographically, rather than as a work of fiction, the push west was a push towards the highly concentrated san francisco.
1505706;1468946096;asciilifeform;granted these were households, with plenty of disposable human torpedoes, not lone wolf. but still.
1505707;1468946105;mircea_popescu;"still" ? what fucking still!
1505708;1468946115;mircea_popescu;do we revisit the egyptian household thread from last week ?
1505709;1468946160;asciilifeform;egyptian swarm is great for the mass of humanity. folks with 0 theorems.
1505710;1468946169;mircea_popescu;i guess ima have to dig the link now.
1505711;1468946203;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495888
1505712;1468946203;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 17:48 mircea_popescu: there's ONE thing the middle eastern guy has that white man can't replicate, and that is, a stable, and here i kid you not, a stable, of dozen+ pliable obedient females WITH offspring.
1505713;1468946207;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-03#1495878
1505714;1468946207;a111;Logged on 2016-07-03 17:44 mircea_popescu: for the anthropologist, god damned fascinating, they're like a family-sized snail building its conch.
1505715;1468946212;mircea_popescu;aha
1505716;1468946238;asciilifeform;no denying that it is a powerful thing.
1505717;1468946258;mircea_popescu;but you just denied
1505718;1468946261;asciilifeform;question is, folks who dun have it, or dun want it, ought to eat their pistol immediately ? or there are other ways to live.
1505719;1468946267;mircea_popescu;you said "but still". that's denial.  and worse - a disawoved denial.
1505720;1468946274;mircea_popescu;of such substance sufferance is always made.
1505721;1468946320;asciilifeform;well then let's concretize: no, i personally have 0 interest in being part of a mormon family. and yes, it means i live until first broken leg. maybe this is acceptable tradeoff from my pov.
1505722;1468946327;mircea_popescu;oregon trail consisted of ? man and woman and grown children and the grown women's boyfriends and and and and a dog@!
1505723;1468946359;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it is or if it isn't is your choice to make ; but don't go around showing me your holy amulets that prevent leg breaking.
1505724;1468946365;asciilifeform;no amulet.
1505725;1468946376;asciilifeform;but the question of 'how long can last' is an engineering question.
1505726;1468946380;asciilifeform;not philosophical.
1505727;1468946381;mircea_popescu;"quinine" or we it was called
1505728;1468946391;asciilifeform;lel
1505729;1468946405;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1505730;1468946476;asciilifeform;this was my sole objection to mircea_popescu's position - he mixes technical (you can NEVER make this machine work economically) with philosophical (trying to ~formulate~, not to mention ~solve~, this problem is MADNESS!111) objection.
1505731;1468946504;asciilifeform;and quite likely mircea_popescu is right re the technical side.
1505732;1468946516;asciilifeform;but i say they are worth considering separately.
1505733;1468946534;asciilifeform;because technical breakthroughs occasionally do happen.
1505734;1468946547;mircea_popescu;i don't think trying to formulate it is madness ; i do think that the orlov formulation is ridiculous at best.
1505735;1468946569;asciilifeform;if anything, he is blinded by... his experience aboard actual boats!
1505736;1468946580;mircea_popescu;actually, further - i think that attempts to solve it on those lines will cost the attempter his life and sanity for no benefit. in other words - i say orlov is a scammer.
1505737;1468946581;asciilifeform;just as differential engine was not built by an arithmetizer-girl.
1505738;1468946598;asciilifeform;shouldn't a scammer have some money on occasion ?
1505739;1468946610;asciilifeform;'charlatan' is perhaps better adj ?
1505740;1468946632;mircea_popescu;i'm not directing this at him. he is whatever, i dun care. but from YOUR perspective, he works practically as a scammer. you know how donner party ended up in the spot where they ate each other ?
1505741;1468946640;asciilifeform;aha.
1505742;1468946642;mircea_popescu;they followed the guidance of some derp. that derp.
1505743;1468946692;mircea_popescu;and yes, the derp was broadly correct, itwas "in that general direction" and so forth. but omfg patch of salt!
1505744;1468946724;asciilifeform;so what would a sane approach to 'i wish to live with the company of other bipeds being wholly SELECTABLE', if not boat ? or mircea_popescu sees entire question as nuttery.
1505745;1468946734;mircea_popescu;money.
1505746;1468946751;asciilifeform;money is involved in any case: boat isn't free
1505747;1468946755;mircea_popescu;this is ~the only function of money.
1505748;1468946762;asciilifeform;but what is the minimal money necessary? and what to build with it ?
1505749;1468946771;asciilifeform;if answer is 'large egyptian family', not interested.
1505750;1468946775;asciilifeform;it doesn't solve the problem !
1505751;1468946821;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform asking "What is the minimal money necessary" is like asking "what is the minimum current draw of useful appliance". it depends neh ? for the money orlov already spent on his pretense (boat, authorship, whatever), egyptian native could have lived entire life happily in the circumstance of "the company of other bipeds being wholly SELECTABLE".
1505752;1468946855;mircea_popescu;i say this on the basis of actual experience, not as a matter of "i imagine boats sometime when i'm frustrated"
1505753;1468946867;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu must have very different notion of 'selectable' if it has room for an orc anthill
1505754;1468946875;mircea_popescu;you have nfi what egypt is!
1505755;1468946878;mircea_popescu;it sits atop a desert.
1505756;1468946890;*;asciilifeform owns a map...
1505757;1468946905;*;mircea_popescu visited sufi, was admitted, first person to be admitted in ~decade.
1505758;1468946964;*;mircea_popescu also visited coptic monastery ; we were the first visitors since summer. 
1505759;1468947015;asciilifeform;^ now this, interesting!
1505760;1468947019;asciilifeform;are they all dead today /
1505761;1468947020;asciilifeform;?
1505762;1468947027;mircea_popescu;i have no way to know.
1505763;1468947040;asciilifeform;i suppose it would not be high quality monastery if we had a way to know...
1505764;1468947043;mircea_popescu;they were not on any map ; owing perhaps to the happenstance egyptians generally dunno wtf map is, but perhaps not just.
1505765;1468947071;asciilifeform;incidentally monasteries are a weaker, land-based special case of the thing i am interested in.
1505766;1468947076;mircea_popescu;anyway, also visited (danish iirc ?) archeological camp, abandoned since 1986.
1505767;1468947090;mircea_popescu;there's tons of these. you could go live in a fucking tomb and probably die of natural causes before they'd even find out.
1505768;1468947101;mircea_popescu;the cairo museum is overflowing with items stacked 5 deep.
1505769;1468947108;mircea_popescu;etc etc.
1505770;1468947191;asciilifeform;if you run a genset near that tomb, quite likely someone will take an interest at some point, no ?
1505771;1468947204;mircea_popescu;not likely.
1505772;1468947208;mircea_popescu;but the sand will cover your intake.
1505773;1468947212;asciilifeform;yes, if you want to live like a bear, in a hole, it can even be done in a u.s. national park. people have.
1505774;1468947224;asciilifeform;(iirc record holder was: ~35 years!)
1505775;1468947235;mircea_popescu;$s man can live and never be found
1505776;1468947236;a111;1 results for "man can live and never be found", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=man%20can%20live%20and%20never%20be%20found
1505777;1468947238;asciilifeform;but even he was eventually spotted by tourists - plume of smoke.
1505778;1468947256;mircea_popescu;hence it comes down to money. not random amulet, be it boat, dome or kryptonite.
1505779;1468947260;mircea_popescu;money and that's it.
1505780;1468947279;asciilifeform;this begs the question. yes, you need money. just as you need rocket to get to mars. but ~how much~ and what vector.
1505781;1468947293;mircea_popescu;and understand - this is the fundamental boyishness here. "father, how should i be a powerful lord ?" "have many friends" "i'll just build a strong castle"
1505782;1468947318;asciilifeform;naturally 'powerful lord' immediately botches the question
1505783;1468947321;mircea_popescu;heh.
1505784;1468947324;asciilifeform;the actual question is 'how do i be left alone'
1505785;1468947328;asciilifeform;not 'be powerful lord'
1505786;1468947337;mircea_popescu;the only definition of "powerful lord" is "he who can exclude others".
1505787;1468947340;asciilifeform;'be powerful' is not an answer, it is an answer to a different problem.
1505788;1468947357;mircea_popescu;there is EXACTLY no other ; and the main issue of the war of troy was, "who the fuck does agamemnon think he is!"
1505789;1468947369;mircea_popescu;a change from, "who the fuck does this priam think he is"
1505790;1468947411;asciilifeform;if the problem is posed as 'can i build a castle in which i can successfully stow a stolen princess every time', then yes, answer is 'be powerful'
1505791;1468947417;asciilifeform;but if more modest constraint ?
1505792;1468947419;mircea_popescu;the momeny you've defined your aim as "to exclude others", you have therefore and inseparably defined your goal as "i wish to be powerful lord"
1505793;1468947451;mircea_popescu;and yes, it comes with the gunk - once you are powerful lord for yourself, you gotta also select others for which to be, or else make enemies.
1505794;1468947460;asciilifeform;actually this is reminiscent of the aerodynamic problem which nailed dirigibles:
1505795;1468947463;mircea_popescu;so you'll store your apparata ; plus three princesses and some stolen fenders.
1505796;1468947487;mircea_popescu;or hubcaps or w/e the nigglets steal thgese days.
1505797;1468947494;asciilifeform;thing is a sail. wind pushes it off course, and also down (crash.) and fuel is exhausted. can try to counter this by building larger engines, but then need bigger lifting envelope, and you get... moar sail.
1505798;1468947502;asciilifeform;and so on until you're entirely hosed.
1505799;1468947505;mircea_popescu;aha.
1505800;1468947516;asciilifeform;so it is not clear that 'be a great king' is optimal solution to 'be left alone'
1505801;1468947524;asciilifeform;great king attracts great usurpers.
1505802;1468947528;mircea_popescu;hence my observation that the problem is psychogenic in nature.
1505803;1468947535;asciilifeform;possibly answer is, be small king.
1505804;1468947538;asciilifeform;far away.
1505805;1468947544;mircea_popescu;whenever you end up with a problem which has no real roots, you therefore have a problem which... has no real roots.
1505806;1468947556;asciilifeform;all problems are ultimately psychogenic.
1505807;1468947559;mircea_popescu;mno.
1505808;1468947560;asciilifeform;no man, no problem (tm) (r)
1505809;1468947574;mircea_popescu;that's a different thing. all non-problems are non-psychogenic.
1505810;1468947587;mircea_popescu;anyway. problems, like f(x)=some polynomial, either have or don't have real roots.
1505811;1468947599;mircea_popescu;if they do, are solvable in practice. if they don't, you're advised to fix your head.
1505812;1468947610;asciilifeform;i agree.
1505813;1468947619;asciilifeform;but do not see it demonstrated here that problem i posed has 0 roots.
1505814;1468947633;mircea_popescu;well, what can i tell ya.
1505815;1468947689;*;asciilifeform pictures remembering this thread one day as the decks are awash and the end nears
1505816;1468947712;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> possibly answer is, be small king. far away <<< this is quite lulzy, you know. "i want a center of a circle that's squarer and closer to the margin"
1505817;1468947731;asciilifeform;hey, recall the sphere thread ?
1505818;1468947736;mircea_popescu;which ?
1505819;1468947743;mircea_popescu;we do lots of platonic objects.
1505820;1468947765;asciilifeform;al schwartz's proof that n-dimensional sphere has more and more of its volume closer and closer to the surface as N approaches infinity
1505821;1468947782;asciilifeform;the 'extremist solutions' essay
1505822;1468947785;mircea_popescu;afaik this is 1700s tech but ok.
1505823;1468947794;mircea_popescu;i dun recall that essay ? do link then.
1505824;1468947798;asciilifeform;hmm
1505825;1468947916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505509 << you familiar with the famous vlad tepes vs mehmed 2 encounter ?
1505826;1468947916;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:49 trinque: sounds like resigning to die, but then not having the dignity to eat the bullet
1505827;1468947943;asciilifeform;( http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/sphere.htm is all i could find, but the meat of the discussion was in a now-lost usenet post... )
1505828;1468947950;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm ?
1505829;1468948019;mircea_popescu;you know, sultan ordered "an army as strong as the one which took constantinople" be assembled to deal with this guy once and for all. after not doing so well for a long time eventually cornered him against a mountain, where vlad told his men that neither capture nor death of famine beign fitting of warriors, how about we go into their camp and fucking rape them.
1505830;1468948025;mircea_popescu;which they famously did.
1505831;1468948080;mircea_popescu;sultan lost it, ran off, etc.
1505832;1468948093;asciilifeform;hey, worked for stalin, later.
1505833;1468948133;asciilifeform;but it makes generous use of everett's device. outside of a few 'sexy' cases, we don't get to hear from the dead armies.
1505834;1468948143;asciilifeform;who charged into meat grinder to 0 result.
1505835;1468948168;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505518 << strangely enough, none of the kids playing history (with the abundance their forefathers so imprudently assured them) realise that "hey, things are linked, a boat like this means i gotta sleep with a schmitar under pillow!"
1505836;1468948168;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:51 phf: and the problem he was trying to solve is a lot closer to what you want to achieve, i.e. put lab on water, rather than recreate the lifestyle of late 6th century pirate nomads or whatever
1505837;1468948188;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the man's own words, "he who thinks of death best not follow me"
1505838;1468948212;asciilifeform;imho we can skip the menschkeit 'everett's device is the only working device' mega-thread, subj is amply worked in the l0gz...
1505839;1468948231;mircea_popescu;note that i was talking to his thing!
1505840;1468948250;asciilifeform;lolk
1505841;1468948366;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505521 << generally people that do labwork "for the world" aren't worth much scientifically ; the ones that do science dun usually care what the wofld does.
1505842;1468948366;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:52 trinque: this guy's got a lab, what, to continue taking part in the same world he can't stand?
1505843;1468948397;asciilifeform;^ aha. see the 'coffin notebook' thread.
1505844;1468948405;asciilifeform;many folks dun even lift a finger to publish the goodz.
1505845;1468948416;asciilifeform;because pearls,swine.etc
1505846;1468948522;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505527 << depends how high up you scale. to me they do - as stated, people with large inheritance trying to pretend. a sort of niccolo da canal, say.
1505847;1468948522;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:54 phf: trinque: it's techno nomad, it's a thing. microship guy doesn't really try to solve same problem as orlol, it's all different people with personal interests and agendas that don't necessarily compose into a single stereotype
1505848;1468948575;trinque;mircea_popescu: science is still a matter of conversation with others
1505849;1468948578;trinque;wasn't saying "for" but "how"
1505850;1468948585;mircea_popescu;(1469 captain general of venetian navy, no naval experience, guy being a lawyer and orator at papal court. chose to pretend like he knew his shit, cost venice its head eventually.)
1505851;1468948586;trinque;guy in a monastery still writes letters
1505852;1468948598;mircea_popescu;surely some do.
1505853;1468948834;mircea_popescu;depends tho, some parts of science are nonconversational. it's a mixed bag.
1505854;1468948846;mircea_popescu;perhaps tycho brache / keppler is the best example of this duality.
1505855;1468948863;mircea_popescu;brache was, famously, so incapable of social intercourse he couldn't leave a banquet and died of a busted bladder.
1505856;1468948940;asciilifeform;who chopped off his nose, then ?
1505857;1468948959;asciilifeform;iirc he was a social butterfly, just a somewhat loose cannon while at it
1505858;1468949231;trinque;I suspect people who can't find *anyone* to tolerate of a sort of gabriel_laddelism, i.e. if I stay up for 48hrs on tab cola I can rewrite gentoo portage fastrrrr
1505859;1468949250;trinque;but then, asciilifeform could gossipd from his water-tomb I'm sure, so there's that.
1505860;1468949299;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505780 <<< the answer is also obvious enough. a PERCENTAGE of the total money calculated on the basis of integration. these days, 50%, hence the bitcoin mining process.
1505861;1468949299;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 16:54 asciilifeform: this begs the question. yes, you need money. just as you need rocket to get to mars. but ~how much~ and what vector.
1505862;1468949363;mircea_popescu;but the % varies - at the heyday of the empire, during trajan, burebista's 200+ tons of gold were not enough ; centuries later, a few % of that sufficed for an entire dynasty of paleologai
1505863;1468949364;asciilifeform;picture mircea_popescu were asked to design a bridge. 'just part 50% of the moon's mass right ~here~...'
1505864;1468949366;asciilifeform;*park
1505865;1468949385;mircea_popescu;"if my answers scare you, time to stop asking scary questions"
1505866;1468949426;asciilifeform;it isn't 'scares', but more of the british admiral's answer to 'what shall we do about uboats?' -- 'boil the ocean'
1505867;1468949428;mircea_popescu;otherwise, in common terms the problem is solved : 4 room floating apt can be had used in good condition for a coupla mil.
1505868;1468949432;asciilifeform;not esp. interesting from pov of solutions.
1505869;1468949447;mircea_popescu;work the stoicks a summer, buy boat.
1505870;1468949458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is like that fella ( mthreat ?) who bought a mig
1505871;1468949481;asciilifeform;it isn't 'coupla mil', it is 'coupla mil' plus 'own 100 slaves' plus 'lifetime of diesel and $1000 plumbing fittings'
1505872;1468949532;mircea_popescu;actually he bought a jet not a mig ; it was a few hundred not mil ; and it's not a terribru investment.
1505873;1468949535;asciilifeform;nor will it be repairable at sea, or survive north atlantic storms.
1505874;1468949546;mircea_popescu;depends how much he flies it. but good engines, like good everythging - no longe rmade
1505875;1468949549;asciilifeform;on what planet is it ~investment~ ?
1505876;1468949556;asciilifeform;sov engines were good for ~200 hours.
1505877;1468949560;asciilifeform;after that, thrown out.
1505878;1468949566;mircea_popescu;on the planet where the guy he bought it from paid 15% what it cost in 2014
1505879;1468949572;asciilifeform;ah as museum piece.
1505880;1468949574;asciilifeform;then - yes.
1505881;1468949579;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but BEFORE those 200 hours.
1505882;1468949591;asciilifeform;~flying~ the investatron would be nuts.
1505883;1468949595;mircea_popescu;well yes.
1505884;1468949600;mircea_popescu;fucking the painting, also.
1505885;1468949605;asciilifeform;you wouldn't FIRE a 17th c. musket.
1505886;1468949614;mircea_popescu;or for that matter the 16yo slave girl.
1505887;1468949641;asciilifeform;so - either investment, or fly. pick.
1505888;1468949690;mircea_popescu;aha.
1505889;1468949700;asciilifeform;at any rate, a machine-for-being-comfortably-poor that costs 2mil, if it were to exist, would be a solid answer to my equation. but the diesel pleasure boat is pointedly not it.
1505890;1468949716;mircea_popescu;anyway ; floating apartment is not much worse for maintenance than car.
1505891;1468949730;asciilifeform;if you don't live at sea.
1505892;1468949739;asciilifeform;in port, it is an expensive kind of camper truck, yes.
1505893;1468949741;mircea_popescu;yeah. in port it's iffier.
1505894;1468949783;mircea_popescu;"pointedly not it", chiefly because you're trying the oldest trick in the poorfag's book, which is to say to NAME his target according to the conventions of trade, but to secretly expect it to satisfy his metaphysical expectations.
1505895;1468949785;asciilifeform;incidentally i've learned that many folks in american east coast live in boats, but do it 100% in the marina. as a kind of enforced-whiteness trailer park.
1505896;1468949797;mircea_popescu;which is why it's always cheaper for merchant to cater to old dutchess than to young upstart wife.
1505897;1468949810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: expand ?
1505898;1468949835;mircea_popescu;it pointedly does everything you openly admit you want ; and fails to do all the things you want but disawov, such as "it should be a grownup for me".
1505899;1468949846;mircea_popescu;so you know, "pointedly is not".
1505900;1468949862;asciilifeform;i can spell out the missing piece (thought it was obvious)
1505901;1468949873;asciilifeform;the recurring costs, and recurring dependencies on shore, are idiotically high
1505902;1468949902;asciilifeform;ergo it is simply a small flat that happens to - temporarily - float. not a machine for surviving 2000km from nearest man.
1505903;1468949910;asciilifeform;for a year.
1505904;1468949910;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15qy
1505905;1468949910;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1505906;1468949989;mircea_popescu;well, figure out what you eat in a year ; plus all the things you might want but won't eventually eat.
1505907;1468950002;mircea_popescu;suddenly your item is not a mere boat but a fucking battleship.
1505908;1468950015;asciilifeform;about size of 2 refrigerator trucks.
1505909;1468950020;asciilifeform;i did the arithmetic.
1505910;1468950032;asciilifeform;would look quite like that museum sub.
1505911;1468950034;mircea_popescu;fresh water, at a gallon a day per head, means if you're actually alone a deux, 4 tons just that.
1505912;1468950041;asciilifeform;water is distilled, wtf.
1505913;1468950042;mircea_popescu;i suppose you could not wash for an entire year, a la rms...
1505914;1468950059;asciilifeform;even the sub didn't CARRY fresh water, srsly
1505915;1468950064;mircea_popescu;heh.
1505916;1468950079;mircea_popescu;your sail will power a seawater processing plant now ?
1505917;1468950084;asciilifeform;the ultimate constraint is energy, aha
1505918;1468950087;mircea_popescu;those things are no smaller than X size for a reason.
1505919;1468950101;mircea_popescu;you ever tasted ocean-desalinated water btw ?
1505920;1468950102;asciilifeform;how long photo panel lives for, how many fit on deck, what can you get from windmills, etc.
1505921;1468950105;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't drink that. not for a year.
1505922;1468950135;asciilifeform;submariners - drank.
1505923;1468950183;asciilifeform;if it's any consolation, likely none of us would qualify as submariners, most blokes alive today are too tall for ww2 sub
1505924;1468950208;asciilifeform;i am not a tall fella but i did not fit in the cot in that museum-sub (it was largely unguarded and you could play with the contents)
1505925;1468950210;asciilifeform;pet - fit.
1505926;1468950237;mircea_popescu;so you'll drink piss just so as to not have to listen to the neighbours fuck ?
1505927;1468950270;asciilifeform;well, more that i am willing to ask 'how ~much~ piss would i need to drink so that...'
1505928;1468950303;mats;and then you get to enjoy hot racking with the crew
1505929;1468950306;mircea_popescu;365 days of a gallon each. coupla tons.
1505930;1468950319;asciilifeform;mats: in last thread, we did 'how much of a crew is needed with modern mechanisms'
1505931;1468950322;mircea_popescu;mats his sub has no crew. just his pet robot!
1505932;1468950331;asciilifeform;lel
1505933;1468950334;mats;like sitting on a freshly warm toilet seat, with less ick factor
1505934;1468950335;mircea_popescu;anyway. ima go do things. with people.
1505935;1468950354;mircea_popescu;mats i like that!
1505936;1468950359;asciilifeform;have fun mircea_popescu
1505937;1468950363;mircea_popescu;course, it's always my womenz that warmed it, might be a factor.
1505938;1468950377;asciilifeform;( did mircea_popescu ever build that mega-toilet ??)
1505939;1468950380;mats;it's a fleeting, intimate moment with a stranger, in my case
1505940;1468950477;mats;asciilifeform: I read the thread but didn't see a number, what did you arrive at?
1505941;1468950535;asciilifeform;mats: i never determined a hard minimum. but will note that most of the folk on a ww2 sub did things that would be mechanical/reasonably automatic today.
1505942;1468950566;asciilifeform;(turning valves, etc.)
1505943;1468950626;mats;so, over or under ten?
1505944;1468950671;asciilifeform;ideally ~= 2.
1505945;1468950696;asciilifeform;but don't conflate the war machine and the survival capsule from thread.
1505946;1468950703;asciilifeform;wholly different domains.
1505947;1468950717;asciilifeform;how big of a crew does mats's house have ?
1505948;1468950808;trinque;I admit I was googling solar yachts only yesterday
1505949;1468950818;trinque;seems like if you're wiling to go about 7-10kts there are a few
1505950;1468950853;asciilifeform;trinque: you will find that the machines are not designed for permanent life aboard, or to survive winters.
1505951;1468950855;asciilifeform;ergo the thread.
1505952;1468950964;thestringpuller;so i'm using suds with python. i'm looking at the package maintanence and the mailing list. anyhow when an opensource project dies, can you just be like "i'm forking this and doing it"
1505953;1468951022;asciilifeform;...sure ?
1505954;1468951028;asciilifeform;or what, old maintainer will carbomb you ?
1505955;1468951043;BingoBoingo;Nothing wrong with shipping container as concrete pouring mold, especially since you can tie rebar in there too. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505520
1505956;1468951043;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:52 trinque: if you've reached the point where the world has beaten you back to being willing to live in a shipping container, why live?
1505957;1468951053;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: gavin has not yet showed up at my house with kalash
1505958;1468951056;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1505959;1468951070;thestringpuller;fair point.
1505960;1468951078;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: land fortresses ~dunwork.
1505961;1468951115;asciilifeform;(i suppose they do, if you're chingis khan, or mircea_popescu , etc. but not for the contemplated poorfag use case.)
1505962;1468951404;mats;asciilifeform: two
1505963;1468951682;phf;i'd live on a sub, if it had those 1970s stage set rooms with giant windows through which you can observe underwater marine life, but which you can also close if you're being attacked by the establishment
1505964;1468951686;asciilifeform;i will add that my interest in subj is not limited to the sea, but to all other environments which are hostile to 'normalpeoplewithfamilies' (as depicted in mircea_popescu's articles) yet have plenty of room to be 'lost' inside, and quite habitable with some amount of technological help
1505965;1468951697;asciilifeform;phf: aha!
1505966;1468951734;trinque;gonna have to build rapture
1505967;1468951737;trinque;I'd live there
1505968;1468951740;asciilifeform;waiwut
1505969;1468951754;trinque;undersea city in Bioshock
1505970;1468951775;asciilifeform;a city is quite the opposite of subj, no ?
1505971;1468951776;asciilifeform;definitionally.
1505972;1468951789;phf;too libertarian for my taste, proud people of short stature standing tall
1505973;1468951801;trinque;> plenty of room to be 'lost' inside
1505974;1468951813;trinque;lol, mystical item indeed
1505975;1468951816;asciilifeform;trinque: a city is, by definition, what i'd like to avoid.
1505976;1468951855;trinque;that was probaby *my* escapist fantasy leaking in
1505977;1468951861;trinque;less shipping crate and more crypto-babylon
1505978;1468951888;asciilifeform;the problem i was futilely stabbing away at is 'how to be independent of homo homini lupus est'
1505979;1468951913;asciilifeform;there is 1 historic solution, as mircea_popescu like to point out, 'be chingis khan', 10,001 slaves, armies, castles.
1505980;1468951976;trinque;phf: sure sure, just the physical thing without the Rand
1505981;1468951978;asciilifeform;there may be other solution.
1505982;1468952017;asciilifeform;trinque: i played the game, it had about the same relationship to rand as 'Der Giftpilz' has to judaism.
1505983;1468952027;asciilifeform;$s der giftpilz
1505984;1468952028;a111;1 results for "der giftpilz", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=der%20giftpilz
1505985;1468952034;asciilifeform;$s Der Giftpilz
1505986;1468952035;a111;3 results for "Der Giftpilz", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Der%20Giftpilz
1505987;1468952397;phf;asciilifeform: have you read hakim bey's "pirate utopias"?
1505988;1468952417;asciilifeform;nope
1505989;1468952463;shinohai;http://animatedviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/sea202002.jpg    <<< or you can make a sealab
1505990;1468952493;asciilifeform;shinohai: why not orbitlab. probably cheaper.
1505991;1468952502;asciilifeform;plenty of mockable nonsolutions to choose from.
1505992;1468952546;phf;or find some underwater grotto on one of less inhabited greek islands, seal it, etc.
1505993;1468952547;shinohai;We already have orbitlab up there
1505994;1468952554;*;phf prefers james bond solutions
1505995;1468952561;trinque;no good, sealab blows up once an episode.
1505996;1468952681;phf;asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature
1505997;1468952696;*;asciilifeform puts on list.
1505998;1468952932;ben_vulpes;trinque: not triggered, but definitely amused.
1505999;1468953124;ben_vulpes;when the problem domains are simple, the solution proposed appears to work. in reality, as *tard mgmt demands more features, flexibility, reports, etc, the complexity of maintaining and extending under the frameworkreich becomes more and more costly, a thing not necessarily apparent to anyone who hasn't suffered the saga or who doesn't think in terms of complexity minimization from the get-go.
1506000;1468953147;ben_vulpes;i believe that you're familiar with this?
1506001;1468953591;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505520 << actually this might not be so bad idea. i.e. "internodal transport nomad"
1506002;1468953591;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 15:52 trinque: if you've reached the point where the world has beaten you back to being willing to live in a shipping container, why live?
1506003;1468954097;mats;http://www.snbforums.com/threads/unable-to-update-firmware-from-asus-380-3264-to-merlin.32786 "To comply with regulatory amendments, we have modified our certification rule to ensure better firmware quality. This version is not compatible with all previously released ASUS firmware and uncertified third party firmware. Please check our official websites for
1506004;1468954097;mats;the certified firmware."
1506005;1468954116;mats;zing
1506006;1468954379;asciilifeform;'ASUS are co-working with developers such as Merlin and DDWRT to make sure 3rd party firmwares power are the same as ASUS firmware and obey the regulations. ' << lel.
1506007;1468954382;asciilifeform;reflash with probes.
1506008;1468954386;asciilifeform;piss on'em.
1506009;1468954486;asciilifeform;but yes, none of this has anything to do with spectrum politeness and everything to do with 'them terrorists install non-usgificated firmware, handbuilt bsds even, this has got to stop'
1506010;1468954507;asciilifeform;just like what microshit is in the process of achieving with pc.
1506011;1468954514;asciilifeform;'boot signed bootloader' etc.
1506012;1468954518;asciilifeform;'for yer own good.'
1506013;1468954559;asciilifeform;mats: and the pigfuckers certainly don't want you and i turning the wifi chip into mesh network etc.
1506014;1468954575;asciilifeform;various gaping holes of 'nobody could have foreseen!' are being plugged.
1506015;1468954593;phf;WIFI is so that you can talk between your WINDOWS 10 PC and your COMCAST ROUTER, duh
1506016;1468954598;asciilifeform;aha!111
1506017;1468954610;mats;let em try to stop, its an excellent expenditure of funds
1506018;1468954630;mats;.cn is happy to churn em out all the same, no?
1506019;1468954631;asciilifeform;costs them ~0.
1506020;1468954640;asciilifeform;cn will churn out STRICTLY what can be sold to the chumps and no more.
1506021;1468954683;asciilifeform;incidentally cn co. 'baofeng' happily sells 'piss all over the spectrum' radio sets in usa.
1506022;1468954685;asciilifeform;nobody bans.
1506023;1468954694;asciilifeform;so the router thing is quite certainly not about spectrum policing.
1506024;1468954721;asciilifeform;(baofeng is a short-range VOICE radio, though, and hence politically inconsequential.)
1506025;1468954932;mats;i recall the issue being about power transmission
1506026;1468954943;asciilifeform;the issue is about control.
1506027;1468955123;mats;i'm reading the document and it doesn't explicitly say anything about the firmware
1506028;1468955144;mats;>An applicant must describe the overall security measures and systems that ensure that: 1. only properly authenticated software is loaded and operating the device; and 2. the device is not easily modified to operate with RF parameters outside of the authorization.
1506029;1468955159;asciilifeform;1 is it.
1506030;1468955164;asciilifeform;what's so hard to see ?
1506031;1468955209;mats;1 is so ridiculously vague that it doesn't mean anything to me
1506032;1468955221;asciilifeform;'device may only be sold if 1) it is broken in the ways we demand 2) user cannot fix it'
1506033;1468955221;mats;authenticated by who?
1506034;1468955232;asciilifeform;by usg.
1506035;1468955264;mats;seems to me manufacturers are taking a generous interpretation to this in order to accelerate obsolescence
1506036;1468955274;mats;i don't see the tendril at work here
1506037;1468955307;mats;same old profit seeking motives.
1506038;1468955314;asciilifeform;they could have done the 'signed firmware' thing in 1990s.
1506039;1468955315;asciilifeform;tivo did.
1506040;1468955321;asciilifeform;routers - did not.
1506041;1468955327;asciilifeform;so 'profit motive' my arse.
1506042;1468955346;asciilifeform;wide-open wrt54g sold more than all other put together.
1506043;1468955417;mats;fuck that thing. took me almost an entire day to reflash, first go around
1506044;1468955433;asciilifeform;but it... WORKED.
1506045;1468955442;mats;too many revisions, and i don't think wrt54gl was available then
1506046;1468955442;asciilifeform;there are still wrt54g in use.
1506047;1468955460;asciilifeform;'gl' was simply when they added the snipped upper 2MB of ram back in
1506048;1468955467;asciilifeform;temporarily
1506049;1468955470;asciilifeform;as 'extra cost'
1506050;1468955484;asciilifeform;'here, you can have usable box again!111 for 2x the cost! be happy'
1506051;1468955522;asciilifeform;('g' was sold, for its last few years of life, with insufficient ram to run any extant linux)
1506052;1468955557;asciilifeform;at any rate, don't expect usg to surrender in their war against general-purpose radio.
1506053;1468955619;asciilifeform;cheap universal digital radio drives snooping costs to astronomical heights, and threatens to de-emphasize centralized telco antennae
1506054;1468955625;asciilifeform;quite the nightmare to statist mind.
1506055;1468955698;pete_dushenski;"If you work at Goldman Sachs in New York City and you want to tie up a woman and then have sex with her, there’s a good chance you’ll first have to speak to Rita. She’ll insist on calling your office, speaking to the switchboard operator, and being patched through to your desk. Then she will want to check out your profile on the company website and LinkedIn. She’ll demand you send her message fro
1506056;1468955698;pete_dushenski;m your work email, and require a scan of either your passport or driver’s license. And you will comply." << y u no pgp rita ?
1506057;1468955702;mats;looks like i read the old ver of the doc. see https://apps.fcc.gov/kdb/GetAttachment.html?id=zXtrctoj6zH7oNEOO6De6g%3D%3D&desc=594280%20D02%20U-NII%20Device%20Security%20v01r03&tracking_number=39498 for the new one if you wanna read
1506058;1468955722;pete_dushenski;"“I am looking to weed out police and crazies,” she said. She estimates that only one in four potential customers ultimately passes. Those who do win some time with a professional escort/dominatrix, but it comes at a hefty price: Each hour can cost up to $800, and Rita’s cut is 30%." << steep!
1506059;1468955755;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: sounds suspiciously cheap
1506060;1468955773;pete_dushenski;alf has cross-shopped in this market ?
1506061;1468955794;mats;dunno that you can buy an hour's stay in a shoebox for $800 in nyc
1506062;1468955795;asciilifeform;can't say that i have. simply that 800/h is not titanically selective of customers.
1506063;1468955807;asciilifeform;i suppose the difference is being covered by the mandatory blackmail material
1506064;1468955813;asciilifeform;as described in pete_dushenski's quote.
1506065;1468955879;pete_dushenski;if it's only once or twice a month, a guess it's not that steep. and probably no more than a dinner for two at iron chef's resto in manhattan...
1506066;1468955897;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505672 << submarine/boat can't promise this anymore. Niantic will put a poke-a-man stop near your nowhere and orcs follow.
1506067;1468955897;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 16:21 asciilifeform: i would happily live in a truck if the truck could be teleported into a parallel space with 0 people by push of a button.
1506068;1468955898;pete_dushenski;bobby flay, that's the one i was thinking of
1506069;1468955899;deedbot;[Qntra] Coinbase's Brian Armstrong Huffs The Ethereum Hardfork Jenkem - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinbases-brian-armstrong-huffs-the-ethereum-hardfork-jenkem/
1506070;1468955902;asciilifeform;anyway folks who run idiot traps (which is what this is) are a necessary part of ecosystem
1506071;1468955909;asciilifeform;like vultures
1506072;1468955940;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wake me up when there are pokemonists in north atlantic.
1506073;1468955941;pete_dushenski;isn't symbiosis beautiful ?
1506074;1468955997;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: based on observations in the wild, if they were told to go there they would.
1506075;1468956006;asciilifeform;on what?
1506076;1468956045;pete_dushenski;http://99percentinvisible.org/article/ghost-boxes-reusing-abandoned-big-box-superstores-across-america/ << reimagining post-box-store 'murica. life goes on, even with brittle vinyl bones.
1506077;1468956115;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i always picture them as being reused for gulags.
1506078;1468956125;asciilifeform;a la 'superdome'
1506079;1468956131;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: What and how are immaterial, likely will be solved for them.
1506080;1468956141;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505363 << same as kraken et al. as per http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/15/suppose-we-have-an-exchange-that-due-to-resource-limitations-is-limited-to-5-decimal-places-for-orders-or-how-kraken-is-scamming-to-stay-solvent/ << fleecing chumps... nothing to see here tewowist (israeli accent)
1506081;1468956141;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 12:16 thestringpuller: Also they are nailing the doors shut on Ether tomorrow until "clear winner": "As a Poloniex customer, you do not need to do anything. The migration will occur automatically, and your full balance of Ethereum will be transferred to the winning chain. Keep in mind that as we near the fork, we will be temporarily disabling deposits and withdrawals in preparation for the migration process. Trading will continue
1506082;1468956218;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: walls are kinda thin and flimsy for that purpose. the orcs with 'strong retard' muscle will bust through those barriers like a steam train through a sheet of tin foil.
1506083;1468956295;pete_dushenski;"In Austin, Minnesota, another Kmart was turned into offices for Hormel, as well as a giant Spam Museum." << lol!
1506084;1468956338;*;pete_dushenski could never understand his father's interest in spam. perhaps curio, perhaps rekindling of some memory, but it was always in house.
1506085;1468956417;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i just had a crate of lafonde b00kz come in. these have got to be the worst-formatted and least dense printed matter i have ever purchased.
1506086;1468956429;asciilifeform;for fucks sake, what does he use, ms 'wordpad' ?!
1506087;1468956458;BingoBoingo;Srsly? He seems to put most of the book content on blog.
1506088;1468956475;asciilifeform;i have nfi
1506089;1468956479;BingoBoingo;huh
1506090;1468956492;asciilifeform;good chunk of the text does look familiar, yes.
1506091;1468956787;BingoBoingo;I kinda though his formula was most text on blog, book offers a bit of extra.
1506092;1468957132;BingoBoingo;Anyways Orlov's plumbing problem is that when making the boat it should have been a primary rather than secondary consideration. Also wtf, hoses? Rigid copper seems like it would be much better for that application if boar design allowed for sanely routing pipes.
1506093;1468957177;asciilifeform;why the fuck would you want rigid pipes on a boat.
1506094;1468957225;asciilifeform;i mean, for water, this isn't reactor coolant
1506095;1468957228;BingoBoingo;because they have just enough flex to not break and because unlike hoses do not break just because time passed.
1506096;1468957252;asciilifeform;not all hose is made of shit y'know
1506097;1468957258;asciilifeform;or exposed to light.
1506098;1468957272;BingoBoingo;Of course, but even nice hoses abrade when movement happens.
1506099;1468957295;asciilifeform;abrade, e.g., this, http://www.titeflex.com/industrial/products/PTFE
1506100;1468957296;BingoBoingo;Even the mega psi hot water hoses
1506101;1468957297;asciilifeform;good luck.
1506102;1468957321;BingoBoingo;AHA, but Orlov makes a point of NOT using that.
1506103;1468957336;BingoBoingo;And hell PEX "hose" also likely would work.
1506104;1468957339;asciilifeform;yes he has the weird hipster 'let's use only junkyard parts' thing going
1506105;1468957347;asciilifeform;dun ask me.
1506106;1468957382;asciilifeform;there is, imho, something there, old garden hoses are likely to remain available longer and wider than teflon
1506107;1468957388;BingoBoingo;PEX is nice because you can supply every fixture from single manifold without fittings between manifold and fixture.
1506108;1468957448;BingoBoingo;Old garden hoses though, especially the less common 3/4" are wear items even when situated in positions where wear seems unlikely.
1506109;1468957450;asciilifeform;rodents eat pex.
1506110;1468957461;BingoBoingo;How do rodents get on boat?
1506111;1468957466;asciilifeform;and it dies in sunlight.
1506112;1468957468;asciilifeform;i'll skip pex.
1506113;1468957485;BingoBoingo;Yes, PEX has problems when not buried in wall.
1506114;1468957493;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: same way they get into every boat ever ?
1506115;1468957500;asciilifeform;or house.
1506116;1468957555;asciilifeform;pex really seems like one of those plastics specially-designed for american chumps, to annihilate the intrinsic advantages of using plastic
1506117;1468957581;asciilifeform;so as to require frequent maintenance
1506118;1468957596;BingoBoingo;But anyways Rigid copper is king because easy to work with
1506119;1468957611;asciilifeform;easy on land
1506120;1468957617;asciilifeform;where there is ample space to swing a torch
1506121;1468957623;asciilifeform;and you are not surrounded with flammable decking
1506122;1468957644;BingoBoingo;On boat you can have big bag of "sharkbites" and skip torch.
1506123;1468957657;asciilifeform;lemme guess, equiv. of duct tape ?
1506124;1468957658;asciilifeform;nothx.
1506125;1468957662;jurov;duct tape everything!
1506126;1468957701;BingoBoingo;sharkbites is this brass encased o-ring push to connect deal. rather handy
1506127;1468957755;*;asciilifeform makes note to self not to buy boatz from BingoBoingo 
1506128;1468957756;BingoBoingo;those, tubing cutter, crescent wrench, channel locks, and emery cloth offers minimal space plumbing toolkit
1506129;1468957780;BingoBoingo;Well when initially building boat do solder connections when you have the space to do so.
1506130;1468957798;BingoBoingo;At sea cut pipe and sharkbite in new
1506131;1468957917;BingoBoingo;tubing cutter that demands more than 1-1/2" swing radius sucks
1506132;1468958026;asciilifeform;phun phakt: american (and probably other) ww2 subs had lathes on board.
1506133;1468958045;BingoBoingo;Well how else do you thread pipe?
1506134;1468958139;asciilifeform;http://www.gettyimages.com/pictures/an-image-of-a-metal-lathe-on-the-captured-german-u505-news-photo-181424737 << germany, also.
1506135;1468958143;asciilifeform;quite likely, everyone.
1506136;1468958258;asciilifeform;lel u.s. navy, 'During the past six months, our surveyors have uncovered a number of submarines not complying with a requirement for a chip shield on the lathe or drill press. To aid the fleet in a decision process for procuring a solution, I found three of numerous possible companies which supply equipment...'
1506137;1468958268;asciilifeform;( http://www.public.navy.mil/navsafecen/Documents/afloat/Submarines/FLASH/FLASH_2011/2011_Jul-Sep_Web.pdf )
1506138;1468958271;BingoBoingo;Submarine without lathe is likely impossible
1506139;1468958462;asciilifeform;https://ctmprojectsblog.wordpress.com/2014/09/12/hawaii-pearl-harbor-machine-shops << moar picturesque examples
1506140;1468958554;asciilifeform;i should like to know what it was they typically cut.
1506141;1468958579;asciilifeform;lengths of pipe, as per BingoBoingo, is one likely item, but this pointedly does not require a whole lathe
1506142;1468958585;asciilifeform;(pipe cutter/threader would suffice)
1506143;1468958591;asciilifeform;and certainly not a mill.
1506144;1468958611;BingoBoingo;fittings!
1506145;1468958658;asciilifeform;doubt it was the only thing; consider how many spare fittings would fit in the machine shop hall.
1506146;1468958663;asciilifeform;(in place of the toolz)
1506147;1468958714;BingoBoingo;One can not imagine all possible fittings that might be required in underwater plumbing.
1506148;1468958766;BingoBoingo;Also how does one make a valve with just a threader?
1506149;1468958858;Framedragger;$s ipython
1506150;1468958858;a111;2 results for "ipython", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ipython
1506151;1468958862;Framedragger;$s jupyter
1506152;1468958862;a111;1 results for "jupyter", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=jupyter
1506153;1468958961;Framedragger;wonder what tmsr thinks of ipython notebooks. basically you go to website and are presented with python interpreter, and a ready-made list of commands for graphing, doing stats etc. thinking of doing one of these for some initial ssh keyset analysis. nothing too serious at all
1506154;1468958989;Framedragger;presumably said website would have the raw data as a module or somesuch
1506155;1468959265;trinque;no one will stop you from using the tools you like. we've already got cl, python, perl, shell script, et al, floating around various places
1506156;1468959283;ben_vulpes;people will bitch about ths js.
1506157;1468959332;Framedragger;thought, maybe there's some elephant-in-the-room reason for avoiding it :p
1506158;1468959345;trinque;well, python's a shitty language.
1506159;1468959387;Framedragger;as a sworn lisper (well presumably) trinque, what do you make of haskell, out of curiosity?
1506160;1468959422;trinque;plenty of that in the logs
1506161;1468959429;trinque;$s from:asciilifeform haskell
1506162;1468959429;a111;18 results for "from:asciilifeform haskell", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20haskell
1506163;1468959436;ben_vulpes;lol and even more in teh other logs
1506164;1468959439;Framedragger;heh, thanks
1506165;1468959442;ben_vulpes;binding arbitration
1506166;1468959446;ben_vulpes;where
1506167;1468959448;ben_vulpes;did that come from?
1506168;1468959480;trinque;ben_vulpes' pastinator strikes again?
1506169;1468959491;ben_vulpes;ah!
1506170;1468959493;ben_vulpes;no, weechat
1506171;1468959501;ben_vulpes;previous line in some other buffer or what?
1506172;1468959517;*;ben_vulpes not involved in any sort of binding arbitration
1506173;1468959654;Framedragger;ben_vulpes' subconscious is tapping into his tty
1506174;1468959688;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: probably has better binding arbitrartion jokes than i in any case
1506175;1468960399;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << single-user computing in a wwwtron is braindamaged.
1506176;1468960399;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 20:09 Framedragger: wonder what tmsr thinks of ipython notebooks. basically you go to website and are presented with python interpreter, and a ready-made list of commands for graphing, doing stats etc. thinking of doing one of these for some initial ssh keyset analysis. nothing too serious at all
1506177;1468960407;asciilifeform;picture 'sorry you can't use grep, www.grep.com is down'
1506178;1468960464;asciilifeform;at any rate, the thing 'ipython', 'sage', etc. imitate, is 'mathematica', which is a close-source turd but at least it WORKS and WILL WORK FOREVER on my internet-less machine.
1506179;1468960478;asciilifeform;i have a ~7 y.o. version, it runs fine.
1506180;1468960488;asciilifeform;*closed
1506181;1468960521;deedbot;[Ossasepia] Cetatea Neamtului - http://www.dianacoman.com/2016/07/19/cetatea-neamtului/
1506182;1468960724;phf;ipython is a handy python repl thing, but i think it was some people's first repl, so it turned into reinvention of clim presentations. problem is it's entirely useless without third party libraries for any kind of large scale data analysis, because core python is limited. where's the landscape of python scientific libraries is a constantly changing mess.
1506183;1468960764;asciilifeform;i suffered the misfortune, at rupturefarms, of maintaining a 'sage' thing, it was agony
1506184;1468960770;Joshua-I;afaik ipython has a similar api to a lot of stats / machine learning suites
1506185;1468960774;asciilifeform;~80% glue-with-c code by weight
1506186;1468960788;asciilifeform;(because you gotta 'lapack' etc)
1506187;1468960820;asciilifeform;heterogeneous computing is liquishit.
1506188;1468960849;Joshua-I;I'm doing this program online that uses it. Gets the job done
1506189;1468960862;asciilifeform;whereas sanity - is possible. (e.g., on lispm you could use a lisp data structure in a fortran proggy and vice-versa, with 0 glue.)
1506190;1468960874;Joshua-I;I might not use it for more specific analysis tho
1506191;1468960875;trinque;yes, and yet phuctor www is python
1506192;1468960885;asciilifeform;trinque: on linux, no less
1506193;1468960896;asciilifeform;trinque: it was made 'junkyard wars' style, out of readily-available crud.
1506194;1468960908;asciilifeform;in, i should add, great haste.
1506195;1468960919;trinque;sure, I'm not criticizing it
1506196;1468960939;trinque;some things benefit from expediency and we as yet lack the republican computing platform
1506197;1468960946;asciilifeform;there is plenty to criticize. but it had gone with 'sane engineering all the way down' you would be waiting for it still.
1506198;1468960957;trinque;no quarrel here
1506199;1468960967;phf;Joshua-I: i don't know what "same api" means, in this case. ipython is an enhanced ~repl~, but the code that you write with it constantly changes, because can't just load data set into a python array. need to use numpy, etc.
1506200;1468960983;trinque;tbot here is perl, trb builder is either sh or Makefile
1506201;1468960987;asciilifeform;phuctor in python ought to be seen in the same light as the bamboo stakes smeared in shit the vietnamese defended their country with
1506202;1468960990;asciilifeform;not good weapon
1506203;1468960993;asciilifeform;but it is what they had.
1506204;1468961032;trinque;aha, so guy might as well do some work as long as he knows he is not making statements about how computing is to be done.
1506205;1468961040;asciilifeform;(i will remind n00bs, also, that the part of phuctor which actually phuctors is a pure c proggy.)
1506206;1468961051;trinque;that said wtf is wrong with the lisp repl for a "notebook"
1506207;1468961054;asciilifeform;no graphics?
1506208;1468961057;trinque;gabriel_laddel was supposed to be building just this
1506209;1468961059;trinque;clim rather
1506210;1468961061;phf;you look at ipython code now, read tutorials and you think to yourself "oh this makes sense, it is nice", but over the course of 5 years scientific computing with python went through 3 or 4 different suits. that's an unreasonable amount of cognitive overhead, considering that mathematica now supports all the same primitives that mathemaica in '95  did
1506211;1468961066;asciilifeform;clim is a misery.
1506212;1468961070;Joshua-I;trinque: he still is
1506213;1468961085;Joshua-I;trinque: it's pretty impressive to see in person
1506214;1468961103;asciilifeform;phf: aha!
1506215;1468961103;trinque;I do not benefit from tales of secondhand wonder !!!1!!
1506216;1468961106;trinque;lol
1506217;1468961117;Joshua-I;phf: eh I might be over abstracting because I tend to just jump from concept to api so I can get something done sooner rather than later
1506218;1468961124;asciilifeform;* a111 has quit (Quit: ...) << phf ...?
1506219;1468961127;phf;saw it
1506220;1468961131;Joshua-I;Like some arbitrary mapping of math -> programming api
1506221;1468961134;Joshua-I;Mentally
1506222;1468961153;phf;Joshua-I: you make it sound like being sloppy with your tools is a good thing :)
1506223;1468961166;Joshua-I;phf: it is if you want the goods
1506224;1468961215;phf;Joshua-I: sure, that's why i use intellij for work, but i will not talk up the virtues of intellij like it's a good thing, which is what you're doing
1506225;1468961257;phf;somehow the separation between the two is totally alien concept to a lot of people who run into tmsr machine. "i eat shit, therefore it's good for everyone". we too sometimes eat shit, but we have good sense to know that it might not be the best thing
1506226;1468961280;Joshua-I;phf: ok? so what
1506227;1468961351;Joshua-I;phf: it's not like consistency and rigor are foreign concepts to me just adding in some comments on the other side of the conversation
1506228;1468961386;phf;Joshua-I: you didn't understand what i said, and i have neither interest nor time to explain myself
1506229;1468961404;Joshua-I;phf: ok cool
1506230;1468961451;trinque;$gettrust deedbot Joshua-I
1506231;1468961451;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1506232;1468961746;Joshua-I;trinque: I'd advise seeing it for yourself as it may be the only way to convince you
1506233;1468961755;Joshua-I;trinque: my powers are quite limited as you can see here
1506234;1468961830;asciilifeform;phf: re python: in my view, if you EVER end up breaking a language in such a way that 20 y.o. code cannot run, not only was your lang broken to begin with, but YOUR HEAD was.
1506235;1468961840;asciilifeform;and ought to be milking hogs, not designing systems
1506236;1468961880;asciilifeform;but naturally crapolade built ~by~ and ~for~ disposable young cocklets, does not ~have~ a concept of '20 year old code i wish to run today'
1506237;1468962077;jurov;is there any language capable of running 20yo code?
1506238;1468962087;asciilifeform;common lisp.
1506239;1468962096;asciilifeform;ada.
1506240;1468962098;asciilifeform;fortran.
1506241;1468962105;asciilifeform;languages with MOTHERFUCKING ACTUAL STANDARDS
1506242;1468962113;asciilifeform;and multi-vendor implementations.
1506243;1468962127;asciilifeform;(yes most folks programmin' today have never seen, smelled, touched, such a thing.)
1506244;1468962135;asciilifeform;forth, incidentally, also.
1506245;1468962147;jurov;java!
1506246;1468962147;asciilifeform;(ansi) scheme.
1506247;1468962154;asciilifeform;lel multivendor java?!
1506248;1468962178;jurov;ibm ships own jvm, too
1506249;1468962222;phf;pascal, less so than above languages, but still more so than even C, since it has a standard notion of pascal machine. C can do 20 year old code, but within some narrow scope of posix, or more like "unix"
1506250;1468962289;jurov;re: common lisp - i'm curious, is there any 20y code still worthwhile to run now?
1506251;1468962303;asciilifeform;jurov: yes. e.g., macsyma.
1506252;1468962316;asciilifeform;parts of which pre-date common lisp and are almost half a century old.
1506253;1468962320;asciilifeform;STILL unbeatable
1506254;1468962357;asciilifeform;phf: c 'portability' is a laugh, considering the tight coupling with cpu
1506255;1468962378;asciilifeform;(a good chunk of historic c succumbs to endianism, word size, etc. idiocy)
1506256;1468962391;asciilifeform;even before you get to os/libs crapolade.
1506257;1468962501;deedbot;[Qntra] US Department of "Defense" Switches To iPhone - http://qntra.net/2016/07/us-department-of-defense-switches-to-iphone/
1506258;1468962513;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506248 << in past life, when i gave half a shit, EVERY single proggy i tried to run on ibm jvm, barfed.
1506259;1468962513;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 21:02 jurov: ibm ships own jvm, too
1506260;1468962525;asciilifeform;there was NEVER a usable multivendorization of java.
1506261;1468962541;asciilifeform;nor was it ever seriously 'cross-platform'
1506262;1468962570;asciilifeform;nor was there ever a hard standard.
1506263;1468962581;jurov;i dunno, i had a life as java developer, ibm jvm was superior on linux and ran both eclipse and our project fine
1506264;1468962614;jurov;but we disgress, thanks for examples!
1506265;1468962629;asciilifeform;well you wrote ~for~ it
1506266;1468962640;asciilifeform;so yes, jurov's code ran on it, because written for it, mega-surprise.
1506267;1468962651;asciilifeform;i was speaking of commercial proggies written for sun's.
1506268;1468962666;jurov;lol i was the only dude on the team with the setup
1506269;1468962673;jurov;since i was sysadmin hybrid
1506270;1468962677;asciilifeform;was there a gui ?
1506271;1468962680;jurov;everyone else was oracle+win
1506272;1468962687;jurov;yes, there was a gui
1506273;1468962695;asciilifeform;(iirc items with plain std i/o worked on all jvm)
1506274;1468962723;asciilifeform;at any rate, the existence of even the POSSIBILITY of a program which ran on one, but not another, is what i was speaking of
1506275;1468962742;asciilifeform;this is quite impossible in a properly-specified multivendor environment.
1506276;1468962759;jurov;eh, i run into this with common lisp all the time
1506277;1468962763;asciilifeform;'Android would freeze unexpectedly, especially when trying to watch aerial feeds of unmanned drones, the source said.'
1506278;1468962766;asciilifeform;lel
1506279;1468962787;asciilifeform;jurov: this is because the standard was incomplete, and it is nearly impossible to write a program today wholly using only the standard.
1506280;1468962799;asciilifeform;(it omitted, e.g., sockets)
1506281;1468962809;asciilifeform;'what if yer system doesn't have sockets'
1506282;1468962895;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/oGZR6 << in other lulz. 'Marines Will Soon Need to Know How to Shoot a Moving Target, Because That Wasn't a Thing Before.'
1506283;1468962932;jurov;well, after light usage i found bugs in core functionality in ecl, like it ignored *TRACE-OUTPUT*
1506284;1468962943;asciilifeform;bugs - exist.
1506285;1468962947;jurov;so i'm rather sceptical about whole affair
1506286;1468962949;asciilifeform;sometimes even deliberate idiocies.
1506287;1468962963;asciilifeform;iirc there were versions of allegro which ignored case sensitivity toggle.
1506288;1468963010;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit is that standards-compliance costs money.
1506289;1468963012;asciilifeform;serious money.
1506290;1468963026;asciilifeform;and it is not sufficient to ~have~ the money, you must also ~withhold~ it from the non-compliant vendors.
1506291;1468963046;asciilifeform;(which is why microshit lusers pay and pay and still get 'embrace & extinguish' implementations of everything)
1506292;1468963117;asciilifeform;if i go to a shop and buy a vacuum cleaner and the mains plug fits in NO socket, i will never buy from said vendor again.
1506293;1468963130;asciilifeform;for whatever jwz reason, this is NOT how folks have been treating programming languages
1506294;1468963133;asciilifeform;and so they get, what they get.
1506295;1468963159;asciilifeform;(they get to, e.g., buy a million adapters from one broken misstandard to another)
1506296;1468963172;asciilifeform;and a tall pile of things which MUST burn.
1506297;1468963439;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506175 << oh sure, i agree; but it may work for a limited case, as a quick thing; not as a proper stats platform or whatever, god forbid!
1506298;1468963439;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 20:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << single-user computing in a wwwtron is braindamaged.
1506299;1468963442;*;jurov offers to asciilifeform classical vacuum cleaner with edison screw plug
1506300;1468963558;asciilifeform;jurov saw such a thing?!
1506301;1468963565;asciilifeform;where?
1506302;1468963597;jurov;it was obsoleted
1506303;1468963603;asciilifeform;mno?
1506304;1468963611;asciilifeform;i have edison screw light bulbs all over the house ?
1506305;1468963624;jurov;it was *the* standard at some time
1506306;1468963626;asciilifeform;for semi-permanent connections it is still unbeatable
1506307;1468963638;asciilifeform;but i have never seen an applicance made with said plug.
1506308;1468963665;asciilifeform;afaik it was only ever 'the' standard for lights.
1506309;1468963750;asciilifeform;or, hm, apparently in usa toasters etc with light-bulb cones were once common.
1506310;1468963761;jurov;i remember seeing electrical irons with it
1506311;1468963781;asciilifeform;but regardless, jurov has no case here, because if i want to plug in such a toaster today, i can easily do so without spending so much as one extra penny.
1506312;1468963789;asciilifeform;because the socket was ~not~ actually done away with.
1506313;1468964335;mircea_popescu;$up Joshua-I
1506314;1468964335;deedbot;Joshua-I voiced for 30 minutes.
1506315;1468964346;asciilifeform;how was meatspace mircea_popescu ?
1506316;1468964357;mircea_popescu;not bad. very nice spring here.
1506317;1468964361;asciilifeform;neato
1506318;1468964390;asciilifeform;winter is a month or so long ?
1506319;1468964450;mircea_popescu;well, if you count it going to like 5 celsius ONE NIGHT and otherwise being a very balmy lower tens thing winter,
1506320;1468964460;mircea_popescu;then it lasts approx march-jul
1506321;1468964473;Joshua-I;Do you care for winter?
1506322;1468964481;mircea_popescu;sure.
1506323;1468964527;Joshua-I;So do you miss longer, colder winters?
1506324;1468964557;mircea_popescu;looky, if i missed everything i cared for and don't currently have it'd be an endless funeral+wake over here.
1506325;1468964644;asciilifeform;what, other than proper euro winter, did mircea_popescu not fit in his suitcase ?
1506326;1468964708;mircea_popescu;it never rains in egypt. that was nice. not in suitcase. it never gets hot in northern transylvania. also. i dun have either bosphorus or golden horn. the list is long
1506327;1468964740;mircea_popescu;every time i leave  someplace there's a bunch of girly tears left behind, you know ?
1506328;1468964751;asciilifeform;i've wondered on occasion why mircea_popescu did not settle among the turks.
1506329;1468964772;mircea_popescu;why the turks specifically ?
1506330;1468964782;asciilifeform;many positive things re the turks in mircea_popescu's works.
1506331;1468964795;Joshua-I;How distant is it for you now?
1506332;1468964796;asciilifeform;almost enough to make me contemplate.
1506333;1468964830;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not a bad place. of course, these days... Joshua-I sorry wut ?
1506334;1468964877;mircea_popescu;but if one is going to live in a large human anthill, byzantium prolly a better choice than more modern atrocities.
1506335;1468964908;Joshua-I;Just wondering if you still yearn at all for the winter
1506336;1468964935;mircea_popescu;im not one for yearning!
1506337;1468964959;mircea_popescu;(funny enough, winter in romanian is iarna ; reads almost exactly like english "yearn")
1506338;1468964961;Joshua-I;I'm definitely projecting then :)
1506339;1468964996;mircea_popescu;Joshua-I what's your favourite girl look like ?
1506340;1468965033;*;asciilifeform misses one season - spring - which is about two weeks long here. defined as the season where one can go outdoors without either frost or mosquitoes
1506341;1468965048;Joshua-I;I have broad taste in that area. Let me think on it a minute
1506342;1468965076;mircea_popescu;by that criteria buenos aires spring is about 10 months long.
1506343;1468965085;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i guesses as much.
1506344;1468965088;asciilifeform;*guessed
1506345;1468965096;mircea_popescu;did you actually encounter a mosquito while here ?
1506346;1468965106;asciilifeform;1, i think, but it was not able to bite through my skin for some reason.
1506347;1468965125;mircea_popescu;it is the strangest thing, i used to think mosquito is the sort of beast that either doesn't exist or else is abundant
1506348;1468965130;asciilifeform;reminiscent of various yarns where 'cannot eat the alien food because wrong protein chirality'
1506349;1468965131;mircea_popescu;but here somehow they exist and are rare.
1506350;1468965160;asciilifeform;possibly they exist steadily in one particular spot in the city
1506351;1468965167;asciilifeform;and diffuse out with great difficulty.
1506352;1468965168;mircea_popescu;well yes, the subway.
1506353;1468965170;mircea_popescu;but even there...
1506354;1468965217;mircea_popescu;i imagined they must be spraying, but then again i never saw either flight or land crew doing in.
1506355;1468965219;mircea_popescu;it*
1506356;1468965271;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505938 << the tub shitter ? neah.
1506357;1468965271;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 17:46 asciilifeform: ( did mircea_popescu ever build that mega-toilet ??)
1506358;1468965285;asciilifeform;i still picture it as looking like 'cray-II'
1506359;1468965300;mircea_popescu;lol.
1506360;1468965321;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505943 << it's likely fully automated sub could be had ; possibly for the cost of a decade or two of his life.
1506361;1468965322;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 17:50 mats: so, over or under ten?
1506362;1468965331;mircea_popescu;i'm also certain it wouldn't be worth having ; but that's a different story.
1506363;1468965425;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505950 << most ships aren't intended to survive "winter" if your idea of "survive winter" is anything like http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-VH9Oq9YArEk/TyAUen8cFaI/AAAAAAAABdU/QoPr6It9QQ4/s1600/IcebreakerYamal.jpg
1506364;1468965425;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 17:54 asciilifeform: trinque: you will find that the machines are not designed for permanent life aboard, or to survive winters.
1506365;1468965499;asciilifeform;well perhaps not arctic, but in the general case survive in 'die of hypothermia in half hour' water which fills a good chunk of the planet for much of the year
1506366;1468965531;asciilifeform;this entails some insulation in the hull (orlov retrofitted ordinary boat with this, there are pics on his www) and a heat source.
1506367;1468965536;mircea_popescu;if your idea of winter is "no ice floating", then most ships will survive such.
1506368;1468965556;asciilifeform;well the fiberglass yacht he started with had troubles. hence the retrofit.
1506369;1468965573;asciilifeform;(it had terrible problems with condensation)
1506370;1468965579;mircea_popescu;heh.
1506371;1468965589;mircea_popescu;funny. wood doesn't.
1506372;1468965649;mircea_popescu;(yes, i'm pretty much convinced that IF you actually wanted to do what is here contemplated, a wooden structure is the best choice.)
1506373;1468965663;asciilifeform;wood isn't much good for dives.
1506374;1468965675;mircea_popescu;what dives ?!
1506375;1468965693;asciilifeform;well in the sub variant.
1506376;1468965701;mircea_popescu;oh nm.
1506377;1468965780;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505963 << you know 5 minutes of nature channel footage come distilled out of about two weeks of filming around.
1506378;1468965780;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 18:08 phf: i'd live on a sub, if it had those 1970s stage set rooms with giant windows through which you can observe underwater marine life, but which you can also close if you're being attacked by the establishment
1506379;1468965786;mircea_popescu;the sea ain't what it usead to be.
1506380;1468965852;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505978 << well, technically the solution to your problem is "become a lich", and will be offered in eulora.
1506381;1468965852;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 18:11 asciilifeform: the problem i was futilely stabbing away at is 'how to be independent of homo homini lupus est'
1506382;1468965868;asciilifeform;lel
1506383;1468966021;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505981 << but this thing where "build in environment with large cost" is not a solution, because the enemy incurs the cost only when visiting whereas you incur the cost permanently. so this is, strategically, a nonstarter, whether the medium is mars or ocean or w/e.
1506384;1468966021;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 18:12 asciilifeform: there may be other solution.
1506385;1468966049;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it works against low-effort vermin.
1506386;1468966068;asciilifeform;sorta like the answer to mice, rats, roaches, is to live where there is winter and turn off the heat on occasion.
1506387;1468966091;mircea_popescu;i'm not gonna rehash the logic behind http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/ but the discussion of the merits of that project should prolly be read by any would-be sovereigns of this particular bent.
1506388;1468966094;asciilifeform;granted it does not work if you're captain kidd and whole navy is after yer arse.
1506389;1468966111;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i have never heard of anyone practicing that solution nor would i think too much of their head tbh.
1506390;1468966127;asciilifeform;probably because it is not achievable at present tech level.
1506391;1468966134;asciilifeform;(or, at least, economically)
1506392;1468966142;asciilifeform;i dun know of anybody camping out in orbit to save on rent either.
1506393;1468966181;mircea_popescu;accepta-l pe gusti in viata ta!
1506394;1468966193;asciilifeform;lel
1506395;1468966226;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505996 << for the record, these "pirate states" are much more proper states than hm, how shall we put this. anyone know the story of the barbarossa turkish fambly ?
1506396;1468966226;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 18:24 phf: asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature
1506397;1468966240;asciilifeform;the one where 'why do you molest the seas ?'
1506398;1468966273;mircea_popescu;no, no,
1506399;1468966278;mircea_popescu;$google hayredin barbarossa
1506400;1468966279;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa << Hayreddin Barbarossa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa << Hayreddin Barbarossa - Final Fantasy Wiki - Wikia | https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khairuddin_Barbarossa << Khairuddin Barbarossa - Wikipedia bahasa Indonesia, ensiklopedia ...
1506401;1468966298;asciilifeform;ah him
1506402;1468966303;pete_dushenski;barbarossa was ottoman's go-to guy on the seas ya ?
1506403;1468966308;pete_dushenski;but was venetian iirc ?
1506404;1468966312;mircea_popescu;spanish tried to attack him on land, etc a whole conundrum
1506405;1468966326;asciilifeform;not the least bit venetian iirc
1506406;1468966335;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski this fellow is original'\s younger brother nd no, they were ottomans.
1506407;1468966346;mircea_popescu;well, lesbians, technically, but who's cuntin'.
1506408;1468966396;mircea_popescu;anyway, point being they were "pirates" in the sense erdogan is "embattled". a matter of the foreign press and no more.
1506409;1468966418;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg: who is 'pirate' and who is 'armed tax collector' is a pov question.
1506410;1468966451;pete_dushenski;aha. barbs supplanted venetians (and i spanish) on the mediterranean... that's right.
1506411;1468966467;mircea_popescu;that is one point ; the point im making however is that they weren't pirates in the sense you're not a penis. part of what they did, of fucking course, given the geography. but they were otherwise just as much a normal country as say albania.
1506412;1468966509;asciilifeform;but yes barbarossa was the ottoman naval penis
1506413;1468966517;asciilifeform;says ~as much on his tomb
1506414;1468966530;mircea_popescu;the original - perhaps. the one im discussing here, very much a normal pasha. who happened to have a port in his lands.
1506415;1468966588;*;pete_dushenski just received email with marketing photos from winnipeg architect with sha1 checksum(!). not sha512 but still highly unexpected.
1506416;1468966588;asciilifeform;even modern-day somali pirates have a story about how they are merely collecting back-rent for usurped fishing rights.
1506417;1468966658;mircea_popescu;to take the matter home, you could say nelson was a pirate rather than a lord ; or better yet that kelvin was a scientist rather than a lord. but these people principally did the thing in question ; whereas the african states principally did subsistence farming and small manufacture.
1506418;1468966659;pete_dushenski;speaking of somali pirates, the recent 'captain philips' film with tom hanks was the most pallid agitprop in that direction
1506419;1468966667;mircea_popescu;they weren't pirate states in the way florence or venice were.
1506420;1468966684;*;pete_dushenski admittedly did not watch film, just remembers release
1506421;1468966768;asciilifeform;per my (admittedly nonexpert) understanding, piracy is an artifact of abundant, unprotected merchant shipping, and tends to quickly get multiplied by 0 when it becomes a palpable problem
1506422;1468966830;mircea_popescu;well...
1506423;1468966855;mircea_popescu;the other way to put it is that piracy is what happens when people who don't want to think about the sea decide to think themselves cooler than their neighbours who do like to think about the sea.
1506424;1468966879;mircea_popescu;it's a fundamental mechanism of putting the inept but uppity in place.
1506425;1468966887;asciilifeform;british, spanish, etc. 'thought about the sea' plenty
1506426;1468966898;asciilifeform;but yes, it is a result of 'we Just Want To move cargo'
1506427;1468966902;asciilifeform;'cannon? what cannon'
1506428;1468966918;mircea_popescu;"british" doesn't exist here. albion was a failed state bought wholesale by the dutch who then used it as naval stage base.
1506429;1468966927;mircea_popescu;spanish did not. portuguese did, and they built an empire out of it.
1506430;1468966941;mircea_popescu;but for the spanish, atlantic was "fly over zone", and as you say, they'd have loved to "separate it".
1506431;1468966949;asciilifeform;i can see it.
1506432;1468966970;mircea_popescu;symptomatically, the spanish solution was "make larger ship"
1506433;1468966978;mircea_popescu;this is always what the idiot does in this situation.
1506434;1468966997;asciilifeform;sorta why the largest, juiciest, wrecks to salvage even today...
1506435;1468966999;asciilifeform;are spanish.
1506436;1468967026;mircea_popescu;(obviously, king mircarlos the 5th would have simply ordered one man rowboats be made and sent every man in one to go to fucking galapagos and return. but then again...)
1506437;1468967047;asciilifeform;i did wonder, as a boy, reading about such, what did these folks have instead of brains, that their answer to 'pirates sink 20%' was 'put Moar Silver on MEGA-BOAT'
1506438;1468967071;mircea_popescu;they misperceived the sea, much like you do, much like people who don't sail generally, as a "empty" space.
1506439;1468967082;mircea_popescu;in that context it's "logical".
1506440;1468967164;asciilifeform;i never saw it as 'empty'
1506441;1468967173;asciilifeform;but as 'fewer pirates than here on dry land'
1506442;1468967199;mircea_popescu;dynamic equilibrium. wherever you take your bleeding husk, piranhas follow.
1506443;1468967200;mircea_popescu;stop bleeding.
1506444;1468967404;asciilifeform;elaborate ?
1506445;1468967427;asciilifeform;i can see, possibly, that if mass of office plankton were somehow place in boats, yes, there would be harvesting thereof.
1506446;1468967432;asciilifeform;but mass was not under contemplation.
1506447;1468967435;mircea_popescu;if the sheep found a way to graze on rafts, the wolves would ride around in speedboats.
1506448;1468967443;asciilifeform;this, yes.
1506449;1468967458;asciilifeform;hence why i have 0 interest in 'mass konsooomerized houseboat' concept.
1506450;1468967472;mircea_popescu;mass has ~nothing to do with it though. YOU are the target, personally. for as long as you're the sort that wants to be a king without a crown, there's going to be a preditor chasing you around.
1506451;1468967480;asciilifeform;needs to be difficult, rare, and healthily dangerous.
1506452;1468967507;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not every tank contains pirannhas. consider the old american south
1506453;1468967520;asciilifeform;poor whites lived ~wholly unmolested and untaxed by the rulers.
1506454;1468967530;asciilifeform;because nobody needed them, or the land they occupied, for anything whatsoever.
1506455;1468967532;mircea_popescu;you think every white man going there became the master of the what, indians ? negroes ?
1506456;1468967543;asciilifeform;no, but master of own acre.
1506457;1468967548;mircea_popescu;you have any idea how many white women lived their days as the junior slave in indian fambly, after their husband was dispatched ?
1506458;1468967554;asciilifeform;(which was no good for cotton or tobacco, and ergo uninteresting to the powerz)
1506459;1468967577;asciilifeform;we may be thinking of different periods.
1506460;1468967592;mircea_popescu;looky : every time you find this imaginary space where thermodynamics doesn't apply, it's not that you've found a space where thermodynamics doesn't apply as much as you've deluded yourself in some manner to ignore some obvious wrinkle.
1506461;1468967603;asciilifeform;~0 indians in the geography in question after andrew jackson bugsprayed them.
1506462;1468967644;asciilifeform;thermodynamics always applies. eventually.
1506463;1468967646;asciilifeform;heat death etc.
1506464;1468967649;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, you're discussing a slice of time worth ~two decades ?
1506465;1468967653;asciilifeform;correct.
1506466;1468967661;asciilifeform;3-4.
1506467;1468967661;mircea_popescu;you do not see the problem with this ?
1506468;1468967676;asciilifeform;should i ?
1506469;1468967705;asciilifeform;may as well ask why i would consider a boat that 'only' can last for two decades.
1506470;1468967706;mircea_popescu;let's restate. "i would be very comfortable in a chair that was built just like this collapsing assemblage between seconds 1.3 and 1.45 of the fall".
1506471;1468967736;asciilifeform;seconds, sure. decades ? i dunno that i personally have two decades left.
1506472;1468967743;mircea_popescu;jackson was president 30-38, civil war started 60. you gotta be shitting me.
1506473;1468967758;asciilifeform;good things dun last.
1506474;1468967768;mircea_popescu;things that dun last WEREN'T THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE!
1506475;1468967797;mircea_popescu;fucking definition of "figment of your imagination" : "that shit ain't gonna last"
1506476;1468967808;asciilifeform;well then the only 'thing' is empty space. everything else (even proton may decay...) dun last.
1506477;1468967827;mircea_popescu;the only thing is you outgrowing the silly shell.
1506478;1468967827;asciilifeform;$s great slow kings
1506479;1468967828;a111;3 results for "great slow kings", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=great%20slow%20kings
1506480;1468967830;asciilifeform;^ oblig.
1506481;1468967887;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506001 << customs will love ya.
1506482;1468967887;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 18:39 jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505520 << actually this might not be so bad idea. i.e. "internodal transport nomad"
1506483;1468967947;diana_coman;heh, quite interesting the 2 decades thing in light of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506234
1506484;1468967947;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 20:57 asciilifeform: phf: re python: in my view, if you EVER end up breaking a language in such a way that 20 y.o. code cannot run, not only was your lang broken to begin with, but YOUR HEAD was.
1506485;1468967982;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506013 << now this, for sure. it's actually identified as "strategic threat", imagine that. "people communicating outside of our stick fingers! TERRORISM!!!"
1506486;1468967982;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 18:55 asciilifeform: mats: and the pigfuckers certainly don't want you and i turning the wifi chip into mesh network etc.
1506487;1468968004;mircea_popescu;diana_coman your hawk eye, m'lady!
1506488;1468968014;mircea_popescu;imagine the sort of crack shot she is with a rifle.
1506489;1468968054;asciilifeform;diana_coman, mircea_popescu : this is an interesting question, with a depressing answer - common lisp standard is nearing, arguably, it's 'lincoln war' moment, because the necessary general-purpose computer is growing thin on the ground.
1506490;1468968127;asciilifeform;story interlude: i bought a ~35 y.o. cnc mill recently.
1506491;1468968137;asciilifeform;replaced stepper motors with modern ones, using original screws
1506492;1468968143;asciilifeform;... fit perfectly.
1506493;1468968145;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii/#comment-118140 << check it out, teh beauty of pingbacks.
1506494;1468968149;asciilifeform;this kind of thing is ~entirely unremarkable to any literate person.
1506495;1468968155;asciilifeform;but really it is quite a thing.
1506496;1468968158;asciilifeform;the 20th c. stability thing, with its attendant luxuries, e.g., industrial standards, is likely a historic fluke.
1506497;1468968176;asciilifeform;and needs a certain 'height of tower' which is unlikely to stick around for much longer imho.
1506498;1468968194;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dunno man, i one day visited prechristian syria, went to bed with woman, appendage fit perfectly.
1506499;1468968197;mircea_popescu;vacuum seal & all!
1506500;1468968224;asciilifeform;lel and i bet when you stabbed her angry husband, the blade also fit perfectly in the hole it made
1506501;1468968228;asciilifeform;mega-surprise.
1506502;1468968231;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1506503;1468968238;asciilifeform;this kind of fit is not so hard.
1506504;1468968243;mircea_popescu;ahahahahaha
1506505;1468968246;mircea_popescu;oookay.
1506506;1468968447;mircea_popescu;diana_coman lol what a mess. a) wasn't built by teutons ; b) cantemir the elder was king, not stephen omfg.
1506507;1468968472;diana_coman;I read it that that was precisely the point, lol
1506508;1468968479;mircea_popescu;yeah lol.
1506509;1468968500;mircea_popescu;pity cosbuc didn't write travestys and librettos for burlesque/revue.
1506510;1468968545;mircea_popescu;"nu stim drumul, ca ne-am duce" ahahaha epic.
1506511;1468968565;diana_coman;truth be told I did not realise it but it might be better to add to the notes probably, to make this clear
1506512;1468968580;mircea_popescu;mebbe
1506513;1468968598;diana_coman;then again, how far does this clear thing go in the end
1506514;1468969738;pete_dushenski;https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601063/teslas-cheaper-model-3-could-strain-charging-infrastructure/ << more bad news for futurists sponsored by gov-decreed vizions.
1506515;1468969768;pete_dushenski;"I typically pay $5 to $10 to charge up. Every single station has been, for years, mediocre to terrible. The stations are often broken due to software or hardware problems, and remain out of service for weeks. Competition among electric car drivers for these public charging stations is fierce and intensifying. It’s practically impossible for me to find an open charging station during the day."
1506516;1468969788;pete_dushenski;sounds like a dream!
1506517;1468970043;pete_dushenski;next thing you know an autonomous car will drive a trunkfull of c4 into the white house
1506518;1468970351;mircea_popescu;new can of wasabi, dear god
1506519;1468970354;mircea_popescu;it always gets me.
1506520;1468970426;mats;ima pirate, arr
1506521;1468970449;mats;i v much enjoy reading about the 'golden age of piracy'
1506522;1468970468;mircea_popescu;any good shit ?
1506523;1468970538;mats;i'm reading through these now http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505996
1506524;1468970538;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 18:24 phf: asciilifeform: it's a totally speculative exploration of north african pirate city states during the age of exploration http://hermetic.com/bey/pirate-utopias/ it might appeal to your romantic nature
1506525;1468970559;mats;oh wait, these are fictional huh
1506526;1468970627;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii/#selection-693.0-709.26 << fyi italics start here and aren't closed so they continue throughout the remainder of the footnotes.
1506527;1468970727;mats;anyway, other stuff includes 'Under the Black Flag' by Cordingly, Johnson's 'A General History of the Pyrates', and 'Empire of Blue Water' by Talty
1506528;1468970730;mircea_popescu;diana_coman most likely plaesi, other side of mountain from piatra neamt.
1506529;1468970738;mats;i put a bookmark in the last one and forgot to pick it up again, i'm now reminded to do so
1506530;1468970755;mats;it deals with the v early period where Henry Morgan was busily sacking cities
1506531;1468970787;mircea_popescu;a ty pete_dushenski
1506532;1468970823;pete_dushenski;de nada
1506533;1468970900;*;BingoBoingo wonders what Dr. Foreskin is up to these days
1506534;1468971078;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506053 << the latest point being the important point.
1506535;1468971078;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 19:13 asciilifeform: cheap universal digital radio drives snooping costs to astronomical heights, and threatens to de-emphasize centralized telco antennae
1506536;1468971092;pete_dushenski;another q for tmsr : any recommendations for linux-cpanel webhosts that don't roll over to social engineering attempts ?
1506537;1468971098;mircea_popescu;for all the effort so far wasted into creating said antennae in bitcoin ; it'd be lulzy if they just lose the extant ones in telecom
1506538;1468971141;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski maybe try thr cock.li fellow ?
1506539;1468971143;mircea_popescu;vc <
1506540;1468971232;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506058 << dominatrix getting tied up ? wtf is this nonsense anyway.
1506541;1468971232;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 19:15 pete_dushenski: "“I am looking to weed out police and crazies,” she said. She estimates that only one in four potential customers ultimately passes. Those who do win some time with a professional escort/dominatrix, but it comes at a hefty price: Each hour can cost up to $800, and Rita’s cut is 30%." << steep!
1506542;1468971301;pete_dushenski;;;seen vc
1506543;1468971302;gribble;vc was last seen in #trilema 5 weeks, 2 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <vc> Framedragger: I'm cool with port scans, neither me nor my parent host cares
1506544;1468971379;pete_dushenski;has anyone here used cock.li ? please to share experience if so
1506545;1468971461;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506127 << lol. he sounds like the man to build an ark tho.
1506546;1468971461;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 19:49 asciilifeform makes note to self not to buy boatz from BingoBoingo
1506547;1468971540;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << what's the advantage i dun get it ?
1506548;1468971540;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 20:09 Framedragger: wonder what tmsr thinks of ipython notebooks. basically you go to website and are presented with python interpreter, and a ready-made list of commands for graphing, doing stats etc. thinking of doing one of these for some initial ssh keyset analysis. nothing too serious at all
1506549;1468971704;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: What is an ark but a boat that is actually plumbed and wired like a structure and not some duct taped sea gypsy trailer?
1506550;1468971736;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506210 << i have no idea why "scientific computing" on the c machine would use anything but c slowly mutating into asm, but then again that's me.
1506551;1468971736;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 20:44 phf: you look at ipython code now, read tutorials and you think to yourself "oh this makes sense, it is nice", but over the course of 5 years scientific computing with python went through 3 or 4 different suits. that's an unreasonable amount of cognitive overhead, considering that mathematica now supports all the same primitives that mathemaica in '95  did
1506552;1468971747;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo quite exactly ; spoken like a true noah.
1506553;1468971764;BingoBoingo;40 PSI to the showerhead or bust!
1506554;1468971776;BingoBoingo;like most hoses would eventually
1506555;1468971954;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506249 << 20 year only takes us to 96, which isn't really that far behind. i'd wager about 50% of c code currently doing anything useful was written in the 90s.
1506556;1468971954;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 21:03 phf: pascal, less so than above languages, but still more so than even C, since it has a standard notion of pascal machine. C can do 20 year old code, but within some narrow scope of posix, or more like "unix"
1506557;1468971999;BingoBoingo;Anyways the best land ark is probably going to be one of the many urban brick former Roman Catholic churches on the real estate market. Amenable to fortification.
1506558;1468972016;BingoBoingo;Also walled courtyard
1506559;1468972121;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506550 << slow scripting langs are used for non-speedcritical portions for the same reason the ~entire program~ is not in asm.
1506560;1468972121;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:42 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506210 << i have no idea why "scientific computing" on the c machine would use anything but c slowly mutating into asm, but then again that's me.
1506561;1468972147;mircea_popescu;aha
1506562;1468972170;asciilifeform;likewise 'scientific computing' is many things to many people - it is not always 'trillion long divisions before tuesday'
1506563;1468972220;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506555 << this is not only accurate, but it is closer to 90% in my experience than 50.
1506564;1468972220;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506249 << 20 year only takes us to 96, which isn't really that far behind. i'd wager about 50% of c code currently doing anything useful was written in the 90s.
1506565;1468972251;mircea_popescu;but the coupla projects of scientific computing i observed, the phases were readily distinguishable : 1. people are excited, they loudly choose "best" hot new stuff, pass along napkin sketches ; 2. the super-duper shit runs into more wrinkles than it's worth, kids are all depresed. at this point the project either dies or management intervenes, gets wizard, wizard takes a weeklong look at it, decides "on the basis of consider
1506566;1468972251;mircea_popescu;ations etc" c is the right tool. strangely, the matter is always considered properly and in context, yet the result always the same.
1506567;1468972268;asciilifeform;if you subtract obvious drepperisms, 'comment commits' by genderfucks, etc. - you end up with circa-'90s mass every time.
1506568;1468972281;mircea_popescu;at this point, project either delivers and is done or takes on life of own. if takes on life, then 3. more wizards are added, they slowly asm-ify the loops, inside out.
1506569;1468972311;mircea_popescu;ten-ish years in the thing's about 1/3 push pop ret
1506570;1468972329;asciilifeform;this was egregiously true in '90s game console market.
1506571;1468972341;mircea_popescu;also , yes. gaming console really very much like science.
1506572;1468972344;asciilifeform;(which is not 'scientific' in the usual sense but plenty of tight physics code)
1506573;1468972355;mircea_popescu;exactly. not "scientific" but now do all this maths.
1506574;1468972366;asciilifeform;my brother spent most of the '90s hand-massaging the 3dtronz.
1506575;1468972393;asciilifeform;sega, in particular, shipped some mighty weird hardware.
1506576;1468972465;*;mircea_popescu recalls reading a twenty five line of ret once, throwing hands up, leaving the matter to others.
1506577;1468972517;asciilifeform;lel that does not sound like a trick of the competent
1506578;1468972520;asciilifeform;but a fudge of the inept
1506579;1468972526;asciilifeform;something like a nop sled in reverse
1506580;1468972537;mircea_popescu;figuring out which was the case was not something i wanted to get involved in.
1506581;1468972538;asciilifeform;'i have no idea where i will land so i wanna ret'
1506582;1468972564;mircea_popescu;"probably stupid, possibly not, and we're dealing with highly selected folks. fuck."
1506583;1468972568;asciilifeform;there are machines where ret (or similar) takes an operand, and you can make a jump table that way
1506584;1468972578;mircea_popescu;well yes. ret <number>
1506585;1468972585;asciilifeform;e.g., pic16xxx
1506586;1468972602;asciilifeform;(in fact retlw is the ~only~ way to refer to data in rom on that machine)
1506587;1468972610;mircea_popescu;iirc ret 2 just moves stack pointer 2 words.
1506588;1468972618;asciilifeform;on pc aha
1506589;1468972634;asciilifeform;http://x86.renejeschke.de/html/file_module_x86_id_280.html
1506590;1468972714;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506537 << if i want to send a packet to my next door neighbour, and it has to go through a station 3km away, it is idiocy
1506591;1468972714;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:31 mircea_popescu: for all the effort so far wasted into creating said antennae in bitcoin ; it'd be lulzy if they just lose the extant ones in telecom
1506592;1468972722;asciilifeform;and yet this is what we have on 100% of planet.
1506593;1468972728;asciilifeform;(with possible exception of '90s romania)
1506594;1468972744;mircea_popescu;~nobody wants to send packet to next door neigbour
1506595;1468972753;mircea_popescu;on average distance is, iirc, to the tune of 1k miles.
1506596;1468972771;asciilifeform;aaaactually i send quite a few packetz a few km back'n'forth.
1506597;1468972788;asciilifeform;and have, for decades.
1506598;1468972797;mircea_popescu;sure, and your neighbour sends them to china. aaanyway.
1506599;1468972819;asciilifeform;merely pointing out that the centralized chokepoints are not physically necessary.
1506600;1468972831;asciilifeform;and that the star topology of telecom - is enforced.
1506601;1468972835;asciilifeform;rather than naturally occuring.
1506602;1468972847;mircea_popescu;it is not directly obvious, nor a foregone conclusion, if a reimplementation of today's telecom as mesh network would be less expensive in terms of used bw.
1506603;1468972885;asciilifeform;in the case of 'sheeple' tuning in to bbc/fox noose/etc. -- doubtlessly MORE expensive.
1506604;1468972903;asciilifeform;so there is ~0 financial pressure in that direction.
1506605;1468972907;mircea_popescu;well, comparisons are comparisons. take today's internet, gendankenexperiment as mesh, measure.
1506606;1468972924;asciilifeform;today's internet - 'madness'. 1990 internet - nearly ~was~ a mesh.
1506607;1468972926;asciilifeform;just not radio.
1506608;1468972957;mircea_popescu;well...
1506609;1468972964;asciilifeform;~tomorrow's~ internet is http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208 .
1506610;1468973016;asciilifeform;but i for one have 0 interest in preserving the 'internet is a cheaper way to broadcast bbc' thing.
1506611;1468973032;asciilifeform;those folks ought to be watching tv.
1506612;1468973032;mircea_popescu;so how are people going to read trilema ?
1506613;1468973042;asciilifeform;via gossipd.
1506614;1468973053;asciilifeform;which incidentally is also how they will know that they are in fact reading trilema.
1506615;1468973055;asciilifeform;and not usgilema.
1506616;1468973078;asciilifeform;(at present time they have no such assurance)
1506617;1468973101;mircea_popescu;ya well.
1506618;1468973175;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506536 << pray tell pete_dushenski , for what do you need the cpanel abortion ?
1506619;1468973175;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:31 pete_dushenski: another q for tmsr : any recommendations for linux-cpanel webhosts that don't roll over to social engineering attempts ?
1506620;1468973217;asciilifeform;i tried to use it once, it reminded me of those keyboards they widely sold to 'INTERNET!1111' lusers of the '90s, with 'pizza' and 'beer order' buttons
1506621;1468973231;asciilifeform;'press for mooosik store'
1506622;1468973235;asciilifeform;'press for lolcat'
1506623;1468973285;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506517 << usg has been maniacally afraid of this kind of thing for decades, to the point that not only wh, but semi-abandoned army reserve shithole not far from where i live, is surrounded by 'bollard' barriers, spikes, etc.
1506624;1468973285;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:14 pete_dushenski: next thing you know an autonomous car will drive a trunkfull of c4 into the white house
1506625;1468973316;asciilifeform;or see pictures of a u.s. embassy build in past 20y, just about anywhere.
1506626;1468973318;asciilifeform;same idea.
1506627;1468973339;asciilifeform;they ~know~ that they are a blight, and that folks will try to deal with'em.
1506628;1468973350;asciilifeform;in whatever way their piddling orc tech permits.
1506629;1468973387;asciilifeform;the bollard is ~quintessentially~ american, in my mind, the way the onion dome is ~quintessentially~ russian in typical anglo head.
1506630;1468973431;mircea_popescu;anyway, garden hose not even a bad idea for the intended junkyard flatbottom. exactly for reason of "people throw out a mile of punctured once garden hose"
1506631;1468973434;asciilifeform;http://americanconcrete.com/commercial/barriers/Jersey-Barrier.jpg << subj.
1506632;1468973444;mircea_popescu;i cut mine, but then again i was the only one on the street.
1506633;1468973484;asciilifeform;mine's got what must be metres of tape on it.
1506634;1468973789;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: cpanel is useful for lazy idjits like me to ban ips, make back-ups, check traffic figs, and so on and so forth. it might not be lynx-friendly but i'm also unpersuaded that it's 'evil that must burn tonight'.
1506635;1468973826;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: America's love of Bollards is a British import.
1506636;1468973874;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it makes for an exceedingly painful time doing anything for which there is not a ready button.
1506637;1468973888;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: it'll be interesting to see what lengths usg will go to stop trunkfull of c4 in... quadcopter. straps lazer cannons to top of bollard perhaps.
1506638;1468973899;mats;thats stupid
1506639;1468973910;mats;why not mortar?
1506640;1468973911;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: quadcopter that can lift so much as a frag, is rarity.
1506641;1468973928;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: esp. if you want any kind of range.
1506642;1468973953;pete_dushenski;ya, 10lbs seems to be about tops for quadcopter payload eh
1506643;1468973956;asciilifeform;(if one were to blow up today, the circle in which police would know to look for the operator, is not large.)
1506644;1468973992;mats;'dji phantom 4' can barely lift 1.8kg
1506645;1468974000;mats;will fall over in a reasonable wind
1506646;1468974005;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: if working remotely from car, that circle expands considerably. and quickly.
1506647;1468974013;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: remotely over what ?
1506648;1468974015;asciilifeform;own satellite ?
1506649;1468974032;pete_dushenski;mats: see kittyhawk
1506650;1468974035;mats;and the thing costs ~1k
1506651;1468974044;asciilifeform;has pete_dushenski flown even a toy quadcopter? any idea of the kind of 'ping time' you need to actually keep the thing upright ?
1506652;1468974064;pete_dushenski;mats: $4.5k for that one.
1506653;1468974070;mats;1.8kg of c4 is a decent payload, yes, but again why not mortar?
1506654;1468974076;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: /me has not. friends have plently.
1506655;1468974083;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: get thee to a toy store
1506656;1468974086;mats;flight time isn't going to be more than 4-5 mins, if you're lucky
1506657;1468974125;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: or friend's house!
1506658;1468974125;asciilifeform;mats: aha, hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506643 .
1506659;1468974125;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:19 asciilifeform: (if one were to blow up today, the circle in which police would know to look for the operator, is not large.)
1506660;1468974195;pete_dushenski;speaking of other shit that sounds more practical than it is, http://www.gizmag.com/golf-cart-jetpack/44413/
1506661;1468974197;asciilifeform;cheap unmanned guyfawkestrons are nothing new, consider http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/15.html , written in late '70s.
1506662;1468974213;asciilifeform;'On 12 August, at 0558 local time, a van comes to a halt on the vast empty parking lot in front of a supermarket in Washington. Three men open the doors of the van, roll out the fuselage of a light aircraft and attach its wings. A minute later its motor bursts into life. The plane takes off and disappears into the sky. It has no pilot. It is controlled by radio with the aid of very simple instruments, only slightly more complicated t
1506663;1468974213;asciilifeform;han those used by model aircraft enthusiasts. The plane climbs to about 200 metres and immediately begins to descend in the direction of the White House. A minute later a mighty explosion shakes the capital of the United States. The screaming of sirens on police cars, fire engines and ambulances fills the city.'
1506664;1468974254;asciilifeform;no high tech involved.
1506665;1468974274;asciilifeform;if anyone genuinely cared, these would be a regular thing already.
1506666;1468974281;asciilifeform;like car bombs were in ireland.
1506667;1468974292;mats;use the ol' taliban trick. emplace mortar tube, rig with dry ice mechanism that fires when it dissipates enough so you're not around to get hosed by arty fire guided by a 'Boomerang' fire locator
1506668;1468974341;asciilifeform;the irish had an interesting mortar, made wholly from old compressed gas bottles
1506669;1468974347;asciilifeform;also self-timed.
1506670;1468974357;asciilifeform;it is an old field, worked to death.
1506671;1468974367;mats;fwiw, i hear the boomerang is shit in the field
1506672;1468974379;mats;folks turn em off, usually, because of false positives
1506673;1468974394;asciilifeform;mats: even baltimore police dept. uses similar item.
1506674;1468974396;asciilifeform;it is cheap.
1506675;1468974401;mats;and orcs pop off rounds for virtually any reason anyway, so why bother
1506676;1468974404;asciilifeform;they have'em permanently mounted on light poles.
1506677;1468974468;mats;pete_dushenski has a few things to learn about insurgency
1506678;1468974483;asciilifeform;vendor's www: 'Boomerang pinpoints the shooter’s location of incoming small arms fire. Boomerang uses passive acoustic detection and computer-based signal processing to locate a shooter in less than a second.'
1506679;1468974486;asciilifeform;30 m ?!!
1506680;1468974497;asciilifeform;worse than i thought, even.
1506681;1468974503;mats;quadcopter is just ludicrously expensive to use for payload delivery unfortunately
1506682;1468974523;asciilifeform;mats: fighters in donbass are using toy choppers to deliver frags, with mixed results
1506683;1468974540;mats;and can be owned over the air if they're not autonomous
1506684;1468974554;asciilifeform;aha, or simply jammed
1506685;1468974568;mats;betcha WH has jammers that'll force your toy into wutever preprogrammed path you had
1506686;1468974571;asciilifeform;incidentally you can detect a convoy of usg brass from miles away by the loud jammers.
1506687;1468974572;mats;rite
1506688;1468974588;asciilifeform;no prizes what this suggests to folks building usg-seeking machinery.
1506689;1468974659;asciilifeform;incidentally http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506685 is another reason behind http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506052
1506690;1468974659;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 19:12 asciilifeform: at any rate, don't expect usg to surrender in their war against general-purpose radio.
1506691;1468974659;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:29 mats: betcha WH has jammers that'll force your toy into wutever preprogrammed path you had
1506692;1468974876;mats;i don't remember the name of the system, but i think there is integration between 'paladin' arty and 'boomerang'
1506693;1468974885;asciilifeform;i will note that usg ~is~ sufficiently frightened of toy flying machines, that they were entirely banned in washington d.c.
1506694;1468974889;asciilifeform;and even surrounding towns
1506695;1468974919;asciilifeform;there is an ongoing lawsuit re the legality of said ban (it was administrative, rather than act of congress), if diametric is awake he might clarify
1506696;1468974923;asciilifeform;but meanwhile - ban
1506697;1468974925;mats;have heard some tales about amateur insurgents getting stomped ~2s after launching mortar
1506698;1468974931;asciilifeform;there are even street signs, with crossed-out toy chopper.
1506699;1468974944;mats;because 'paladin' immediately returns fire. squish.
1506700;1468974982;asciilifeform;mats: this is sorta the appeal of munitions that don't travel in straight lines or simple parabola or whatever other geometric figure
1506701;1468974993;asciilifeform;e.g., toy flyers.
1506702;1468974994;mats;kinda neat. /wants his own automated orc stomping sentry gun
1506703;1468975114;asciilifeform;picture a frag that, launched, spends a week or so hopping between treetops until it is told (via whatever custom radio) that your position is nearby, at which point it simply falls on you.
1506704;1468975134;asciilifeform;or it simply finds you based on the jammer output.
1506705;1468975209;asciilifeform;or, in a city, a mine could spend years or decades buried in pavement, waiting for 'customer'
1506706;1468975215;asciilifeform;plenty of possibilities with modern tech.
1506707;1468975225;mats;sounds over-engineered
1506708;1468975240;asciilifeform;depends on who is trying to do in whom, neh ?
1506709;1468975245;asciilifeform;is icbm also 'overengineered' ?
1506710;1468975250;mats;following jammer doesn't enable maximum casualties
1506711;1468975264;asciilifeform;in the contemplated picture, you need precisely 1 casualty.
1506712;1468975267;mats;you gonna bomb their transmitter?
1506713;1468975323;asciilifeform;iirc the recent custom is to have one in ~every truck.
1506714;1468975328;mats;they're usually located on top of the vehicle, so thats better than e.g. manhole cover but not by a lot
1506715;1468975359;asciilifeform;not even necessary to explode, there are other uses, to the opponent, for knowing exactly where the convoy is
1506716;1468975359;mats;i wonder if usg limos have v-hull
1506717;1468975402;asciilifeform;the one commonly seen, does not.
1506718;1468975485;mats;well i'm much enjoying going through the mental exercise of attacking a convoy
1506719;1468975508;asciilifeform;usg brass are quite well defended against the expected adversary: plebes with pea shooters, bricks, etc.
1506720;1468975531;asciilifeform;folks with actual resources do not go around hunting'em for the same reason the typical hunter does not go to shoot the lion in the zoo.
1506721;1468975648;asciilifeform;or, more presely, cow in the farm.
1506722;1468975651;asciilifeform;*precisely
1506723;1468975663;asciilifeform;the cow is already where the farmer wants it.
1506724;1468975677;mats;if it was easy, folks would go there instead of massacring cinemagoers
1506725;1468975682;asciilifeform;aha.
1506726;1468975691;asciilifeform;so it is kept just short of easy.
1506727;1468975731;asciilifeform;contrary to popular belief, not very much is spent on it.
1506728;1468975742;asciilifeform;if the monkey dies, what will happen ? he will be replaced with identical monkey.
1506729;1468975748;asciilifeform;there is no shortage of monkeys in the trees.
1506730;1468975898;asciilifeform;the actual function of the black limos, ss jeeps, etc. is roughly same as roman lictors:
1506731;1468975915;asciilifeform;to showcase the dominance of the throne
1506732;1468975938;asciilifeform;which is why they kick folks out of restaurants when dick cheney or his latest incarnation drives by, etc.
1506733;1468975942;asciilifeform;nothing to do with mad bomberz.
1506734;1468975964;asciilifeform;everything to do with transfixed slack-jawed sheeple aaahing over the 'majesty'
1506735;1468976385;asciilifeform;fact is, there ARE NO phreeedom phighterz in usaschwitz. which is why they conscript the occasional illiterate orc immigrant to play 't3rr0r111st!111' on tv.
1506736;1468976447;asciilifeform;folks raised without a warm place to shit, much less trust fund, with ~correct picture of self-worth and ready to meet with allah at age 17, are a natural resource like any other. and it simply does not grow in north america.
1506737;1468976449;asciilifeform;presently.
1506738;1468976457;mats;thats not true at all
1506739;1468976469;mats;there are many domestic terrorists living out a sentence in a fed clink
1506740;1468976478;asciilifeform;see the part with 'played on tv'
1506741;1468976488;asciilifeform;the new york death ray fella, being the prime example.
1506742;1468976497;mats;lots in florence, co, and terra haute, in
1506743;1468976500;asciilifeform;he, and a few hundred similar great artistes, are in the clinks.
1506744;1468976524;asciilifeform;their production is one of the missions of the 'national security' industry.
1506745;1468976533;asciilifeform;$s new york death ray
1506746;1468976534;a111;15 results for "new york death ray", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=new%20york%20death%20ray
1506747;1468976537;mats;i dunno whats with you and arbitrarily removing agency from wutevers in discussion
1506748;1468976578;asciilifeform;imbeciles who cannot spell own name, or describe what kind of ray they will supposedly shoot from the raygun that nice totally-not-fbi-provocateur sold them in back alley, are not agents.
1506749;1468976580;asciilifeform;they have no agency
1506750;1468976584;mats;its fundamentally unknowable, sure, how many gru assets are in a clink, yes
1506751;1468976584;asciilifeform;any more than a sea slug has.
1506752;1468976600;asciilifeform;mats: i know of at least 1, he was traded recently, name escapes me
1506753;1468976613;asciilifeform;was betrayed by typical 1990s 'colonel with apartment in florida'
1506754;1468976665;mats;theres a lot more convicted artistes in us than cuba
1506755;1468976690;asciilifeform;more than in zimbabwe also, what of it ?
1506756;1468976690;mats;~500 iirc
1506757;1468976701;mats;i'm specifically referring to folks interned at gitmo
1506758;1468976739;asciilifeform;last i heard gitmo was a warehouse for inconvenient pow, rather than domestic whatevers.
1506759;1468976776;asciilifeform;(though i have fundamentally nfi who is ACTUALLY kept there, for all i know it is folks who used pgp key that had too many bitz)
1506760;1468976782;mats;not sure exactly how it gets decided, but flip side, Zacarias Moussaoui is serving his sentence in florence rather than gitmo
1506761;1468976794;asciilifeform;possibly because was picked up in usa ?
1506762;1468976801;asciilifeform;or do i have him mixed with another
1506763;1468976833;mats;yes, they found him with 747 manuals
1506764;1468976874;mats;tsarnaev and reid are also at florence
1506765;1468976889;asciilifeform;if he had been found in afghan, would have been shot on the cheap, but instead was used as feedstock for the quite important 'we caught a domestic вредитель !1111' ritual.
1506766;1468976967;asciilifeform;the key here is that these folk dun occur naturally in the necessary numbers. hence, they are created.
1506767;1468976999;asciilifeform;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-04-13#623044 .
1506768;1468976999;a111;Logged on 2014-04-13 22:27 asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
1506769;1468977124;asciilifeform;provocateurs are dirt-cheap. we even had one here, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-08#1338891
1506770;1468977124;a111;Logged on 2015-12-08 15:31 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2015#1338844 << every word of this is applicable in its entirety to modern stoolies and provocateurs, e.g., 'the_scourge' from last year
1506771;1468977129;mats;not sure i agree. there's a massacre every day of the year now
1506772;1468977144;asciilifeform;^ the_scourge tried to get ~me~ interested in 'military resistance to usg'
1506773;1468977156;asciilifeform;along with boatload of shit crypto
1506774;1468977159;mats;oh, i apologize for bringing him in here then
1506775;1468977168;asciilifeform;i do wonder where you found him.
1506776;1468977209;mats;random guy in a chan i idle in
1506777;1468977231;asciilifeform;must be great place.
1506778;1468977241;asciilifeform;has he tried to sell you a death ray yet ?
1506779;1468977252;mats;haven't seen the nick in a few years, i tried my hand at bringing folks into the fold, didn't work out
1506780;1468977291;asciilifeform;the thing that i found shocking was... the sheer ham-fistedness.
1506781;1468977318;asciilifeform;if i were his handler, and read, as i would read, the log, i would have sacked him.
1506782;1468977325;asciilifeform;demoted, to junior dogcatcher.
1506783;1468977331;mats;we had some pms but they are so utterly unremarkable idk what was even said
1506784;1468977336;asciilifeform;ditto ninjashitgun.
1506785;1468977346;asciilifeform;and buncha other dopes whose names escape me.
1506786;1468977349;asciilifeform;same snore every time.
1506787;1468977364;mats;i really gotta stop deleting my pm archives
1506788;1468977380;mats;ninjashogun tried some shenanigans also
1506789;1468977405;asciilifeform;he was entertainingly stupid, but only from the (to me) novelty
1506790;1468977416;mats;and whined to me about having his good naem tarnished on hacka nyooz
1506791;1468977429;asciilifeform;entertaining-stupid is a self-limiting thing. eventually it turns into simply stupid.
1506792;1468977503;asciilifeform;it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer
1506793;1468977526;asciilifeform;and get indignant and flustered if you for some reason do not.
1506794;1468977586;mats;i get the sense that he was really just out to make money, to sucker an engineer into slaving for him
1506795;1468977614;asciilifeform;the choice of subject matter, in that case, was quite peculiar.
1506796;1468977627;mats;just one of 1,000 dummies i've met from the valley
1506797;1468977649;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506653 << well, he didn't live in israel, i guess. anyway, mats has it, mortar is by far the cheapest.
1506798;1468977649;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:21 mats: 1.8kg of c4 is a decent payload, yes, but again why not mortar?
1506799;1468977666;mircea_popescu;no good answer to it, either.
1506800;1468977751;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506666 << irish is a nation. american is not.
1506801;1468977751;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:24 asciilifeform: like car bombs were in ireland.
1506802;1468977787;asciilifeform;iraq not a nation either
1506803;1468977791;asciilifeform;but did ok.
1506804;1468977802;asciilifeform;with respect to irishing.
1506805;1468977803;mats;don't remember if i mentioned this, but a friend of mine that works at cisco says their calea team is expanding the scope of their work beyond what's in the letter of the law
1506806;1468977809;mats;thought that was interesting.
1506807;1468977840;asciilifeform;mats: the 'letter of the law' was interpreted as 'anally inspect every arse on planet' for decades now.
1506808;1468977842;asciilifeform;so not nyooz.
1506809;1468977867;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506682 << ~the only use for the thing is to get it into the airvent of something.
1506810;1468977867;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:28 asciilifeform: mats: fighters in donbass are using toy choppers to deliver frags, with mixed results
1506811;1468977872;asciilifeform;consider the act for which, supposedly, nixon was deposed. can you picture president impeached for tapping phones today ?
1506812;1468977916;mircea_popescu;well, the-woman-that-won't-make-it walked from very similar to nixon's case, so...
1506813;1468977928;mats;there were several charges involved
1506814;1468978044;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506693 << this is more a case of independent powerful career woman hear me roar being petrified someone cares enough to photograph her in the shower.
1506815;1468978044;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:34 asciilifeform: i will note that usg ~is~ sufficiently frightened of toy flying machines, that they were entirely banned in washington d.c.
1506816;1468978061;mircea_popescu;this is just about the most self-flattering nonsense ever, but hey.
1506817;1468978107;asciilifeform;it is a theatrical number, intended to goad would-be 'shoe bomb hopefuls' to the dead end of flying toys from toystore
1506818;1468978149;asciilifeform;'the treasure is where they put the 'treasure!' sign' -- ~every imbecile ever
1506819;1468978196;asciilifeform;mats: http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/history/johnson/rnimparticles.htm << which of these is the current monkey not guilty of ?
1506820;1468978198;asciilifeform;or the last one ?
1506821;1468978215;asciilifeform;or the one prior ?
1506822;1468978233;mats;afaik bush and obama didn't go so far as to send thieves into rnc hq
1506823;1468978240;asciilifeform;they didn't need to.
1506824;1468978249;asciilifeform;why send thief, when you have key logs, audio, whatever.
1506825;1468978333;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506724 << this is kinda dubious. note that people light up gay bars and cineplexes rather than geriatric homes, etc. if they actually wanted maximal body count they'd do the local hospital, but they're not exactly being rational.
1506826;1468978333;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:47 mats: if it was easy, folks would go there instead of massacring cinemagoers
1506827;1468978380;asciilifeform;nobody optimized for bodies, or they would torch crowded clubs etc.
1506828;1468978405;mircea_popescu;not even clear wtf they're optimizing for.
1506829;1468978425;asciilifeform;for playing out a script helpfully written for them by their masters.
1506830;1468978455;asciilifeform;that involves, e.g., ~random fire from small-caliber pea shooters, rather than, say, blown bridges
1506831;1468978479;asciilifeform;for details see tlp.
1506832;1468978488;asciilifeform;supposing he had not snipped his articles re same.
1506833;1468978493;asciilifeform;(i have not recently checked.)
1506834;1468978510;mats;https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lLqHi2f7Ti8/V4bBCyl-P_I/AAAAAAAAoLk/juwG59mwZ10mIyHd_OBOhLwQVBt44VkPwCLcB/s1600/EmployRecessionJun2016.PNG interesting
1506835;1468978593;mircea_popescu;mats if that figure wasn't coming straight out of an ass, the table might be more interesting.
1506836;1468978597;asciilifeform;^
1506837;1468978610;mircea_popescu;but as it is, entirely meaningless to put those on same map, they're not in any sense the same thing
1506838;1468978610;mats;http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2016/07/update-scariest-jobs-chart-ever.html
1506839;1468978661;asciilifeform;mats: usg 'employment' figures make 'climate science' look honest.
1506840;1468978668;asciilifeform;they have ~0 connection to reality.
1506841;1468978711;mats;beyond the confusion of unemployed and folks who've given up - can you elaborate?
1506842;1468978721;mircea_popescu;i suppose look into how the data is defined and collected one day when run out of other online entertainment.
1506843;1468978779;mircea_popescu;nowadays "unemployed" = "number of people who jump through X Y and Z hoops more recently than 2 weeks ago and for not a longer total interval than 11 weeks , and also who aren't in any of these 58 excluded categories. such as "white"."
1506844;1468978781;asciilifeform;mats: one obvious example - a great many folks never figure in the score at all, because they are 'contractor'
1506845;1468978791;mircea_popescu;im exagerating, but not by so very much.
1506846;1468978800;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also "disabled"
1506847;1468978801;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is approximately correct.
1506848;1468978820;asciilifeform;quite likely not 1 in 10 laid off folk, ever appear in the 'unemployed' column.
1506849;1468978826;asciilifeform;for any length of time whatsoever.
1506850;1468978837;asciilifeform;in entire life.
1506851;1468978870;asciilifeform;old folks, for instance, forced into an early 'catfood diet' retirement, do not
1506852;1468978874;asciilifeform;because their count as 'retiree'
1506853;1468978890;asciilifeform;when kicked out for being 65 y.o.
1506854;1468978909;mircea_popescu;to obtain correct unemployment figure in these circumstances, do (count of all tax returns paying more than 0.4 * 10.5 * 8 * 320 in tax) / (us population as per census).
1506855;1468978924;mircea_popescu;you'll get a shocking 40%ish which happens to also be correct.
1506856;1468978945;mircea_popescu;the majority of the us population is not currently employed ; nor has any prospects of ever being employed.
1506857;1468978947;asciilifeform;lafonde's 'dindus', unsurprisingly, also do not count as 'unemployed'
1506858;1468978971;asciilifeform;perhaps half of that number ever had so much a ~thought~ of being employed.
1506859;1468980138;mats;what are these? 0.4 * 10.5 * 8 * 320
1506860;1468983525;BingoBoingo;$s the_scourge
1506861;1468983526;a111;199 results for "the_scourge", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=the_scourge
1506862;1468983571;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the choicest lulz were in pm
1506863;1468983580;asciilifeform;as with the earlier ninjaimbecile
1506864;1468987650;ben_vulpes;`http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506634 << incidentally, renders servers nigh-unusable for other purposes.
1506865;1468987650;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 00:16 pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: cpanel is useful for lazy idjits like me to ban ips, make back-ups, check traffic figs, and so on and so forth. it might not be lynx-friendly but i'm also unpersuaded that it's 'evil that must burn tonight'.
1506866;1468987663;ben_vulpes;go, try to remove cpanel from a machine.
1506867;1468987665;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: aha!
1506868;1468987676;asciilifeform;i tried, failed, had to ask for whole thing to be thermonuked and reformatted.
1506869;1468987717;ben_vulpes;i recall this, had my own near identical experience lol
1506870;1468987891;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506790 << ahaha and myself as well
1506871;1468987892;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 01:16 mats: and whined to me about having his good naem tarnished on hacka nyooz
1506872;1468987904;*;ben_vulpes waves to the forever-tarnished robert viragh
1506873;1468989389;mircea_popescu;mats 40% tax on 10.5 dollars an hour 8 hours a day for a year's workdays
1506874;1468997520;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The actual unemployment rate in the USA. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/20/the-actual-unemployment-rate-in-the-usa/
1506875;1469007230;thestringpuller;charlie shrem is out of jail
1506876;1469009382;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875   <<< maybe he can show Roger Ver all the new tricks he learned in the Pen, give him first reacharound
1506877;1469009382;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 09:33 thestringpuller: charlie shrem is out of jail
1506878;1469011537;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506547 << well, it's a cheap, dirty, and very quick way of getting repl with $whatever-data-of-interest, functions for graphical plotting, data analysis etc at your fingertips. it's very easy to experiment with data, *save everything and share stuff*. some papers are drafted this way afaik. for example: http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/urls/gist.github.com/wesm/4757075/raw/a72d3450ad4924d0e74fb57c9f62d1d895e
1506879;1469011537;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506153 << what's the advantage i dun get it ?
1506880;1469011550;Framedragger;or http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/masinoa/machine_learning/blob/master/04_Neural_Networks.ipynb
1506881;1469011553;Framedragger;or http://nbviewer.jupyter.org/github/jrjohansson/scientific-python-lectures/blob/master/Lecture-4-Matplotlib.ipynb
1506882;1469011569;Framedragger;but i'm not trying to be a big advocate of $x here, mind
1506883;1469011634;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506544 << i've a $10 vps, no complaints, i did the initial ipv4 probing off of that. didn't run any i/o etc benchmarks tho. any particular questions (i can run some benchmark if you want)
1506884;1469011634;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:36 pete_dushenski: has anyone here used cock.li ? please to share experience if so
1506885;1469012012;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't good reasons for avoiding somet
1506886;1469012012;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 12:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504193 << there is no $ideology per se ; tmsr is principally characterized by lack of ideology. everyone else has one, however, and they're often patently insane and amazingly complex.
1506887;1469012034;Framedragger;hing like the devil avoids the cross; e.g. the recent chinese wifi shit discussion; *any mobile ever, in existence*; etc. :)
1506888;1469017266;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i dun get it, do you have to first upload your data ?
1506889;1469017386;mircea_popescu;every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ?
1506890;1469017427;mircea_popescu;not to mention that you almost always also have, or can easily get a db, and after an import you can then sql repl.
1506891;1469018182;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15Gd
1506892;1469018183;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1506893;1469018436;deedbot;[Trilema] To be happy. - http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-happy/
1506894;1469018909;BingoBoingo;ty
1506895;1469019156;deedbot;[Qntra] Poor Wi-Fi Hygeine Snags Data At RNC - http://qntra.net/2016/07/poor-wi-fi-hygeine-snags-data-at-rnc/
1506896;1469019441;shinohai;thx BB
1506897;1469019453;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/rudiments/
1506898;1469019580;asciilifeform;'“I vote Trump! free Internet”. Approximately 1.6 Gb's of data was exposed, with the report stating that 68.3% of users had their identities or other sensitive information exposed upon connection. Nearly 25% of the users browsed porn sites, while only a little over 5% used the connections to play Pokemon Go' << such brilliance!111
1506899;1469019673;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506885 << Framedragger point to actual instance of this ? in the logz ?
1506900;1469019673;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 10:53 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1505364 << okay; but deciding not to use $tool because it's used by $enemy bloody well sounds like one to me. sure, you can call this a set of (very) useful heuristics. but if this sophistry is accepted, then any ideology is a set of heuristics (usually but not always very bad ones, but the latter is a separate point). ftr though, i'm not saying that sometimes there aren't goo
1506901;1469019765;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506875 << surprised he hasn't yet shown up here to offer cheeeeeap death ray!
1506902;1469019765;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 09:33 thestringpuller: charlie shrem is out of jail
1506903;1469019781;asciilifeform;(iirc he did, right before the jail)
1506904;1469020038;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506889 << he wanted a repl that can shit graphics. which is something that to this very day is ~monopoly of a gargantuan closed commercial item, 'mathematica'. except that most 'i want a graphical repl' folks don't know this, and think that their imitations (which are roughly what glbse was to mpex) are the real thing.
1506905;1469020038;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 12:23 mircea_popescu: every computer (well, except for windows and apple i guess ? but they're not computers) has a repl built in as some sort of bash. in most cases you also have both perl and python out of the box. how could it possibly be faster to first upload a chunk of data to some webserver somewhere ?
1506906;1469021260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing.
1506907;1469022137;mircea_popescu;anyway, google also has some sort of api where you GET it data and it sends back a graph. i recall bitbet using it.
1506908;1469022799;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506907 << that's not a repl; that's crapola, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506177
1506909;1469022799;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 20:33 asciilifeform: picture 'sorry you can't use grep, www.grep.com is down'
1506910;1469022799;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 13:42 mircea_popescu: anyway, google also has some sort of api where you GET it data and it sends back a graph. i recall bitbet using it.
1506911;1469022808;mircea_popescu;myea
1506912;1469022828;mircea_popescu;still, read-evaluate-print :D
1506913;1469022942;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506906 << the funny thing is, this was made, in 1980s, at considerable expense, it was called 'NeWS'
1506914;1469022943;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 13:27 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why we want a proper tex/svg wwwthing.
1506915;1469022973;asciilifeform;but it suffered from the crippling limitations of the c-machine, and withered away.
1506916;1469022996;asciilifeform;(likewise, '80s hardware was not quite up to the task of the rendering)
1506917;1469023025;asciilifeform;the simpler, braindead x11, survived.
1506918;1469023064;asciilifeform;http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?NetworkExtensibleWindowSystem << moar.
1506919;1469023147;asciilifeform;http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lang/NeWS.html << lulzier still
1506920;1469023165;asciilifeform;'Fri, 5 Feb 88... The astonishing baroqueness of X is the greatest threat to the general sucess of UNIX to have come along since System V hit the streets. If you try to give an X system to a real human being, not a computer hacker masquerading as a normal person, they will croak. If X doesn't instantly burn out their eyes and brain, causing them to throw their UNIX box out the nearest high window, it will drive them straight into the
1506921;1469023165;asciilifeform; arms of the Macintosh II. With the toolbox under AUX, all the windowy programs on the MacII will have a clear, understable, and universal user interface. With other alternatives, we face the very real prospect of each window (program) having a different user interface. That, friends, will be the death of UNIX. '
1506922;1469023643;asciilifeform;http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/smegmas.gif
1506923;1469023663;asciilifeform;and http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/images/pizzatool.gif .
1506924;1469024094;mircea_popescu;i'd think the 2nd item is more relevant here/
1506925;1469024215;jurov;imo TeX is quite bad example for this, it's not designed for realtime rendering, depends on several passes for layout
1506926;1469024235;asciilifeform;jurov: it is ill-designed in 1,001 ways.
1506927;1469024271;asciilifeform;was very much a crude and desperate hack. knuth suffered from idiot typesetters who 'what's one exponent more or less'
1506928;1469024306;asciilifeform;human typesetters ~had~ to be expelled from mathematics.
1506929;1469024322;asciilifeform;and so they were. but at the cost of having this other pile of shit.
1506930;1469024334;mircea_popescu;jurov multipass is no good for real time ?
1506931;1469024347;mircea_popescu;also, the idea isn't to "realtime" ; the idea is to take user input and spit out html i think
1506932;1469024351;asciilifeform;ew
1506933;1469024355;mircea_popescu;what ?
1506934;1469024365;asciilifeform;fuck html.
1506935;1469024369;asciilifeform;and the browser.
1506936;1469024372;mircea_popescu;fine. in plai ntext.
1506937;1469024382;mircea_popescu;the idea being that the server does not serve the result of the process directly.
1506938;1469024397;asciilifeform;i thought the idea was 'sane gui'
1506939;1469024405;mircea_popescu;(author types shit in) -> (blog processes it into form) -> (server serves form)
1506940;1469024409;mircea_popescu;mno.
1506941;1469024412;asciilifeform;a concept which pointedly has no room for half-second delays after every keystroke
1506942;1469024424;jurov;mircea_popescu: ever used proggy that was redrawing everything after every keystroke?
1506943;1469024430;mircea_popescu;i don't want any guy at all. even now i <em> by hand rather than clicking the fucking buttons
1506944;1469024447;asciilifeform;'gui' is not equivalent in meaning to 'microshit word'
1506945;1469024453;mircea_popescu;i want to have alphabetic notation. such as : graph-this-so-and-so,1,1,4,this.csv
1506946;1469024473;mircea_popescu;i have no problem with typing ::sum:: either or w/e
1506947;1469024485;mircea_popescu;and i absolutely do not have alf's mental issue where i can't think of math in words.
1506948;1469024531;asciilifeform;original thread which led us here concerned... charts
1506949;1469024541;mircea_popescu;yes. exactly.
1506950;1469024542;asciilifeform;go and represent the duplicated-sshkeys thing in.. words.
1506951;1469024563;mircea_popescu;and ftr, auto-repl is for the dogs. i want proper repl : string evaluated when I say, either by clicking the preview button or typing enter or w/e.
1506952;1469024571;mircea_popescu;fuck that stupid ass google auto-search as you type idiocty
1506953;1469024590;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you want to publish something you can't say in words you're part of the problem.
1506954;1469024634;asciilifeform;this is lunacy.
1506955;1469024644;asciilifeform;do we have to do the mega-thread again?
1506956;1469024651;asciilifeform;or can just say we did. 'see l0gz.'
1506957;1469024704;mircea_popescu;omfg what the fuck do you think "fits in head" means.
1506958;1469024715;mircea_popescu;you can see logs all you fucking want, they're all WORDS.
1506959;1469024717;asciilifeform;i sorta wonder how mircea_popescu draws the line at 'this much notation is enough.' i.e., why he does not demand that phuctor stats be spelled out in whole words rather than using arabic digits.
1506960;1469024727;asciilifeform;is it because this set of chars happened to exist on underwood typewriter ?
1506961;1469024736;mircea_popescu;i have no idea what your parents did to you people, but this is unseemly. first fucking task of the urchin in an intellectual household is to learn how to put his shit in words.
1506962;1469024759;mircea_popescu;3 yos point "dat!!!" but 5yo is expected to be able to say "the item resting atop the history of fucking in the roman empire please, what is it?"
1506963;1469024784;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fits-in-head means that i get to huffmanize TO THE MAX
1506964;1469024802;asciilifeform;which means, yes, integral signs, matrices, tensors, whatever notation i define ~for the occasion~ even.
1506965;1469024803;mircea_popescu;if you can't say what it is, you have no fucking idea what it is, and it's not currently fit in your head.
1506966;1469024822;mircea_popescu;the criteria is any notation i choose, not any notation you choose.
1506967;1469024826;asciilifeform;i can say. and, if it isn't likely to be in the reader's huffman dictionary already - do say.
1506968;1469024842;mircea_popescu;much like kids or bureaucrats aren't to be allowed to decide how to measure their performance.
1506969;1469024846;asciilifeform;sorta what literacy means - to have the huffman table in your head.
1506970;1469024857;mircea_popescu;so then what's the problem.
1506971;1469024859;asciilifeform;if you cannot read integral, you are not literate.
1506972;1469024861;mircea_popescu;make the machine make it.
1506973;1469024875;asciilifeform;would mircea_popescu also say that machine should transliterate the greek texts for you ?
1506974;1469024879;mircea_popescu;yes.
1506975;1469024886;mircea_popescu;russian, certainly
1506976;1469024891;asciilifeform;'midnight commander' does.
1506977;1469024893;mircea_popescu;(and most of my russian is in latin alphabet, ftr)
1506978;1469024895;asciilifeform;(srsly)
1506979;1469024925;asciilifeform;it will actually crap out translit when you hit f3 ('view file') if the terminal doesn't have cyrillic.
1506980;1469024933;asciilifeform;the only proggy i've ever encountered which did.
1506981;1469024946;mircea_popescu;cuz properly made.
1506982;1469024953;asciilifeform;at any rate i have 0 problem with this.
1506983;1469024962;asciilifeform;what i do have a problem with is 'stop using integral signs, spell it out'
1506984;1469024975;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's machine can turn it into sanskrit if he likes.
1506985;1469024980;mircea_popescu;so i guess you can have a fat 8 lines of buttons in the mp-wp thing ; and i'll continue to type tags in directly.
1506986;1469024990;asciilifeform;lel who said i wanted buttons ?
1506987;1469025021;mircea_popescu;meanwhile : i want a tag to turn numbers into images ; which i arbitrarily call svg ; and i want a tag to turn strings into scientific notation (which does not JUST mean math, i want chemistry also.)
1506988;1469025036;mircea_popescu;which i arbitrarily call tex.
1506989;1469025041;asciilifeform;how does the thing on pediwikia work ?
1506990;1469025046;asciilifeform;they seem to have something like it
1506991;1469025052;mircea_popescu;they import images.
1506992;1469025059;asciilifeform;yes but iirc they get generated.
1506993;1469025063;mircea_popescu;no idea.
1506994;1469025072;mircea_popescu;but knowing the thing, they're probably stolen.
1506995;1469025073;asciilifeform;and if you have the old mathtex plugin thing, they do not
1506996;1469025096;asciilifeform;(machine w/out the plugin is painful to use if you ever try to copy/paste, you end up getting bitmaps)
1506997;1469025115;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/2-Propanol.svg
1506998;1469025132;asciilifeform;see, if i can't ~paste~ the equation from the viewer into my algebratron, and evaluate it, the system is broken.
1506999;1469025150;mircea_popescu;::2-propanol:: should yield that.
1507000;1469025157;mircea_popescu;evidently, it doesn't.
1507001;1469025195;asciilifeform;will mircea_popescu barf when a boojum turns up in the massive iupac rule set this imports ?
1507002;1469025213;mircea_popescu;i have no problem with the author replacing iupac.
1507003;1469025214;asciilifeform;before laughing, consider, iupac gold standard program HUNG when fed chiralane for the first time.
1507004;1469025232;asciilifeform;textbooks, i shit thee not, had to be junked
1507005;1469025235;mircea_popescu;just as long as i can use it, i'm happy.
1507006;1469025238;asciilifeform;(most weren't, simply ignored the news)
1507007;1469025280;mircea_popescu;i'm even amenable to saying ::oc/C-COH-C::
1507008;1469025294;asciilifeform;how do i benzol ring ?
1507009;1469025334;mircea_popescu;i dunno, ::oc/C-C-C*-C-C-C=/ ?
1507010;1469025334;asciilifeform;(incidentally does mircea_popescu do his organic chem without filthy heathen 2d drawings ? as words ? )
1507011;1469025340;mircea_popescu;yes.
1507012;1469025351;asciilifeform;what's the / do ?
1507013;1469025354;mircea_popescu;i find that especially in organic chemistry the drawings are counterproductive.
1507014;1469025373;asciilifeform;has mircea_popescu ever actually done an organic synthesis ? in anger ?
1507015;1469025378;mircea_popescu;"from organic chemistry take an item that is with carbons linked like so, where * can be anything ie free radical and = at the end links back to origin"
1507016;1469025384;asciilifeform;of an item that wasn't in the book
1507017;1469025384;mircea_popescu;ad hoc nonsense, but to illustrate the point.
1507018;1469025386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes.
1507019;1469025402;mircea_popescu;and i knew i failed within minutes specifiucally because not using the fucking pictures.
1507020;1469025430;asciilifeform;y'know, the buggers actually ARE 3d (arguably 3.5d) ~physical objects~
1507021;1469025441;mircea_popescu;but your brain doesn't beenfit from this.
1507022;1469025444;asciilifeform;chemistry-in-words makes about the same amount of sense as cad in words.
1507023;1469025458;mircea_popescu;your head works principally when its tendency to disregard natural complexity is well supported.
1507024;1469025480;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i used to pick architects by the criterion : "nice plan, now tell it to me".
1507025;1469025488;mircea_popescu;most all of them reached for the paper, which i wouldn't give back.
1507026;1469025501;mircea_popescu;you'd be surprised how much you find about an architect with this simple process.
1507027;1469025508;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu should have asked 'tell it to the builders instead of showing paper'
1507028;1469025517;mircea_popescu;that sadly happens anyway.
1507029;1469025535;mircea_popescu;but the point is : literacy is a skill not a blessing. does this architect know how to present the tree IN PROPERLY SORTED ORDER ?
1507030;1469025544;mircea_popescu;if not, why not and what does this say about his mental organisation.
1507031;1469025550;asciilifeform;this is not actually hard to do if you have the item in your head.
1507032;1469025555;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1507033;1469025559;asciilifeform;just as, close your eyes and describe your house to a  stranger
1507034;1469025564;asciilifeform;you can do it in ~arbitrary detail
1507035;1469025568;mircea_popescu;and if you don't, i'm not underwriting the eventual wreck.
1507036;1469025580;asciilifeform;but this is NOT the most convenient format for ~editing~ (transforming, etc) the thing.
1507037;1469025596;mircea_popescu;it may not be the most convenient format for doodling,
1507038;1469025599;mircea_popescu;doodles are.
1507039;1469025601;asciilifeform;there is a reason why most folks play chess with a board vs with telephone
1507040;1469025609;asciilifeform;(though many do, i have)
1507041;1469025611;mircea_popescu;but then again stop fucking pushingyour doodles on other people. they are the exact equivalent of used condoms.
1507042;1469025615;mircea_popescu;i do not want them. nobody does.
1507043;1469025635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: find me a chemist - a practicing, professional organiker - who will not barf at this suggestion.
1507044;1469025661;asciilifeform;or an architect who will agree to design a building ~wholly~ by putting words, sentences, to paper.
1507045;1469025674;asciilifeform;or machinist who will accept an essay in lieu of a drawing.
1507046;1469025675;mircea_popescu;find me a computer programmer - a practicing, professional wwwtronicist, who will not barf at v.
1507047;1469025685;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i found, what, six? seven ?
1507048;1469025688;asciilifeform;they are here.
1507049;1469025693;mircea_popescu;all the machining i ever had done was presented in essay form.
1507050;1469025702;mircea_popescu;scandalous, i know.
1507051;1469025715;asciilifeform;what was it ? 'cut me a rod 10cm in length and 3 in diameter' ?
1507052;1469025718;asciilifeform;that ain't machining.
1507053;1469025723;mircea_popescu;bout a paragraph's worth, but still.
1507054;1469025732;asciilifeform;go and describe kalash bolt in words
1507055;1469025735;asciilifeform;and have it machined.
1507056;1469025748;mircea_popescu;for the sake of why not, i will.
1507057;1469025754;asciilifeform;i would love to see result !
1507058;1469025759;mircea_popescu;gimme 5 minutes.
1507059;1469025773;mircea_popescu;gotta locate a drawing on THIS USELESS INTERNET
1507060;1469025777;asciilifeform;possibly bad experiment, because machinist will cheat
1507061;1469025786;asciilifeform;he will pull the ubiquitous drawing once he realizes what you described.
1507062;1469025788;thestringpuller;the ethereum hard fork is making the VER-ified crowd go wild.
1507063;1469025790;asciilifeform;and cut from that.
1507064;1469025796;thestringpuller;incoming bitcoin hard fork FUD
1507065;1469025798;thestringpuller;and drama
1507066;1469025807;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: link ?
1507067;1469025816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform already disawoved ? fine.
1507068;1469025820;mircea_popescu;i won't bother then.
1507069;1469025820;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: please don't assume that folks read reddit unprompted. i don't
1507070;1469025845;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not necessarily - it is worthwhile experiment
1507071;1469025857;asciilifeform;but i would like to read the essay first
1507072;1469025862;*;mircea_popescu goes back to finishng his article.
1507073;1469025868;asciilifeform;it should not mention the purpose of the part.
1507074;1469025887;asciilifeform;(if mircea_popescu dun feel like doing this experiment, perhaps another mechanically-literate fella ? ben_vulpes ?)
1507075;1469025899;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i don't like posting reddit links as not to infect the channel
1507076;1469025930;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: again, if you ~mention~ a thing that is happening solely on reddit, it is just the same as linking
1507077;1469025934;asciilifeform;may as well link
1507078;1469025936;thestringpuller;but since you asked nicely: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4tr8ir/now_its_bitcoins_turn_eths_hard_fork_was_a/
1507079;1469025941;asciilifeform;because i sure as fuck ain't going ~looking~ for it
1507080;1469025943;asciilifeform;ty thestringpuller .
1507081;1469025951;thestringpuller;that's 1 of many
1507082;1469025966;asciilifeform;lulzy
1507083;1469025969;asciilifeform;they fired already ?
1507084;1469026017;asciilifeform;and, what, traditional-eth vanished immediately ?
1507085;1469026033;asciilifeform;no one bothered to set off 'difficulty bomb' ?  etc
1507086;1469026095;thestringpuller;nope. it was all staged to act as fud to get Bitcoin to hardfork while creating FED-chain.
1507087;1469026121;thestringpuller;Never though Ethereum would become more scandalous than paycoin.
1507088;1469026807;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you realise you're about the only reader ver actually has ?
1507089;1469027143;phf;Framedragger: re ipython you could probably avoid all the discussions about right and wrong by simply doing and then presenting the result
1507090;1469027158;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: Reading involves comprehension. I merely glance over it for lulz. I invest more focus on reading my comic books than Ver.
1507091;1469027210;mircea_popescu;phf word.
1507092;1469027239;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller rotate the lolcow ? preferably towards something with tits ?
1507093;1469027271;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well no one bothered to actually hold any of the tokens, either, so...
1507094;1469027319;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: i used to read amanda b johnson. But she is more for the children I think.
1507095;1469027337;mircea_popescu;$google amanda b johnson
1507096;1469027338;deedbot;https://twitter.com/thedailydecrypt << The Daily Decrypt (@TheDailyDecrypt) | Twitter | http://cointelegraph.com/authors/amanda_b._johnson << Amanda B. Johnson | https://forum.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-discussion/amanda-billyrock-is-amanda-b-johnson-of-the-daily-decrypt-t6027.html << Re: Amanda Billyrock is Amanda B. Johnson of The Daily Decrypt
1507097;1469027339;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody no one ? not even on the battleship mircea_popescurora ?
1507098;1469027422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh what do i care what they do. the idea here is "o look, a scamcoin nobody holds managed to hardfork. this is about as relevant to bitcoin as guy soiling his pants and then washing them in the sink. I AM ROVER GER AND I THINK ITS TIME FOR BITCOIN TO! "
1507099;1469027452;asciilifeform;why bother with the etherape thing only to release the mouse, still alive and well, from the mousetrap later ?
1507100;1469027453;asciilifeform;i dun get it
1507101;1469027609;shinohai;Mouse is dead, just doesn't know it yet.
1507102;1469027623;phf;"i'm not dead yet"
1507103;1469027680;asciilifeform;i suppose we can add it to the very very long list of items which are supposedly 'dead' but continue to live, spraying out ecological poison left and right that will take eons to clean up
1507104;1469027741;mircea_popescu;wait, ~I~ should clean up ? what am i, someone's wife ?
1507105;1469027755;asciilifeform;didn't say that anybody in particular ought to clean up.
1507106;1469027766;asciilifeform;but am surprised that whoever took the bother of raping dao, did not follow through.
1507107;1469027774;mircea_popescu;the boat issue goes way the fuck deeper than you realise.
1507108;1469027784;asciilifeform;hm?
1507109;1469027785;mircea_popescu;you're wide open, in a security sense, because of this notion of cleanliness.
1507110;1469027823;mircea_popescu;who in his right mind would close a hole in teh mit budget ? by all means, let them succeed and keep on succeeding, like they've won the war in the middle east.
1507111;1469027867;asciilifeform;by not firing the control shot, dao raper allowed mit to close own hole.
1507112;1469028000;thestringpuller;phf: "i'm not dead yet" << "i'm still alive"?
1507113;1469028078;phf;thestringpuller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPatfgoNBRo
1507114;1469028108;mircea_popescu;damn, i thought it was the black knight always triumphs.
1507115;1469028218;deedbot;[Trilema] Were I... - http://trilema.com/2016/were-i/
1507116;1469029078;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506567 << i've been going through that exercise with code recently, where the original developer abandoned the project and there's a new maintainer. the exercise is to see how much of it is gendered pronouns. not surprisingly in many cases for every 1 bug fixed, there's a dozen entirely inconsequential commits. file shuffles, renames, code removals, README copyright updates, that sort of stuff. it's like nobody's
1507117;1469029078;phf; writing code anymore
1507118;1469029078;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:51 asciilifeform: if you subtract obvious drepperisms, 'comment commits' by genderfucks, etc. - you end up with circa-'90s mass every time.
1507119;1469029109;asciilifeform;but 'I HAZ MILLION COMMITZ!121111'
1507120;1469029119;asciilifeform;mega-cv, such hireable, etc.
1507121;1469029120;phf;github streak
1507122;1469029136;asciilifeform;and if you dun hire, 'DISCRIMINATION!1111'
1507123;1469029155;asciilifeform;recall the 'flycheck' thread ?
1507124;1469029164;asciilifeform;often there is ~whole project~ which consists of gendercommit.
1507125;1469029172;asciilifeform;as in, it NEVER had the slightest legitimate reason to exist.
1507126;1469029173;phf;"contributor to X, Y and Z, wasn't hired because obviously your organization is -ist"
1507127;1469029174;asciilifeform;any of it.
1507128;1469029200;asciilifeform;'to examine a granfalloon, remove the skin of a toy balloon' (tm) (r) (vonnegut)
1507129;1469029283;phf;i saw one of those operators in action yesterday, rme of clozure cl is doing "open office hours" on irc, and They come. "why are you using ccldoc instead of BIG PACKAGE NAME??? i want to change docs to BIG PACKAGE NAME for increased adoption" "why are there stale useless files? i want to remove them to improve maintainability" etc.
1507130;1469029337;asciilifeform;lel
1507131;1469029408;phf;so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep"
1507132;1469029437;asciilifeform;i dun get why more folks won't declare total war.
1507133;1469029447;asciilifeform;what does rme (who i know nothing of..) have to lose ?
1507134;1469029462;asciilifeform;why 'change subject'
1507135;1469029468;asciilifeform;why not 'die in a fire, scum'
1507136;1469029575;phf;perhaps they don't see it as an existential threat
1507137;1469029607;asciilifeform;decade ago - i could even see
1507138;1469029616;asciilifeform;but today - one would have to be clinically stupid
1507139;1469029662;asciilifeform;count, merely, the software packages that CANNOT BE USED today, that worked fine decade ago
1507140;1469029677;asciilifeform;(xpdf...)
1507141;1469029735;phf;well, they don't realize anything changed. decade ago a newbie was younger version of you, today with some chance a newbie might still be a younger version of you, but much more likely it's a person who never knew you had to wash hands after bathroom there purely to turn everything that you've built to shit
1507142;1469029800;phf;also culture was gutted. it was acceptable to be an asshole a decade ago, now flaming someone on irc is equivalent of voting for trump.
1507143;1469029803;asciilifeform;or xmms !
1507144;1469029829;asciilifeform;or consider the contortions you must go through, to build geda
1507145;1469029842;asciilifeform;or 1,001 other once-commonplace breads and butters of linux world
1507146;1469029898;phf;progress!
1507147;1469030148;phf;it's kind of funny that xmms got "replaced" with various itunes clones. i had at various points a very large partially pirated, partially salvaged, partially ripped collection of music and i'm convinced that there's nothing better than an fs level folder structure for managing music.
1507148;1469030167;asciilifeform;^
1507149;1469030176;asciilifeform;i've been using command-line players ever since.
1507150;1469030185;asciilifeform;not fun, but no real alternative.
1507151;1469030202;asciilifeform;FUCK 'metadata in file', 'libraries', etc.
1507152;1469030258;asciilifeform;the muppets who 'i Just Want just like itunes...' must be expelled from civilized computing.
1507153;1469030274;asciilifeform;its continuation as whatever going concern is incompatible with their presence
1507154;1469030275;phf;"oh your carefully annotated rip of late 80s punk tape of misc artists is all different artists. let me helpfully spawn a folder per track for you. a cover art scan? kek!"
1507155;1469030289;asciilifeform;just as you cannot have a theatre that is also a dairy farm
1507156;1469030525;phf;there was a pleasant notion of ownership with xmms, your playlist becomes an organic thing with a state, with most listened artists at the top, sequences organically created that align with your personal feel for harmony, etc. without bringing that whole aspy ocd file management into the equation. can't really do it with cli.
1507157;1469030632;asciilifeform;aha, all i get is bash history
1507158;1469030641;asciilifeform;sorta like going from 'bic' lighter to flint.
1507159;1469030650;asciilifeform;yes, can haz fire...
1507160;1469030651;asciilifeform;but.
1507161;1469030795;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507132 ~same reason folks don't get laid.
1507162;1469030795;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 asciilifeform: i dun get why more folks won't declare total war.
1507163;1469030811;asciilifeform;not same. total war, you can declare.. alone.
1507164;1469030812;mircea_popescu;the space between not getting laid and noticing you're not getting laid is short. the space from the noticing to the fixing however...
1507165;1469030814;phf;i have friends who still swear by winamp
1507166;1469030819;asciilifeform;l0l
1507167;1469030822;asciilifeform;and win95 to go with it ?
1507168;1469030823;mircea_popescu;i still swear by winamp!
1507169;1469030852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on what do you run it? 'wine' ?
1507170;1469030859;mircea_popescu;runs on os X!
1507171;1469030865;asciilifeform;lel srsly?
1507172;1469030868;mircea_popescu;oya.
1507173;1469030884;asciilifeform;http://www.winamp.com << whatddayaknow
1507174;1469030888;mircea_popescu;one of my secret lulz, for all the extra holes apple gets in here, nobody goes "stfu winamp"
1507175;1469030901;asciilifeform;and since when did mircea_popescu keep a crappletron in his fleet
1507176;1469030907;asciilifeform;then again he probably has a vax also.
1507177;1469030908;mircea_popescu;i keep gurlz!
1507178;1469030949;asciilifeform;fair'nuff
1507179;1469031017;phf;asciilifeform: you can get winamps of some vintage that still run on recent windows machines
1507180;1469031039;asciilifeform;i've historically kept crapple boxen around for various occasions (commercial proggies for which no substitute exists, etc)
1507181;1469031069;mircea_popescu;winamp is prolly the best example of niche owner.
1507182;1469031078;asciilifeform;ida is ~the~ example
1507183;1469031081;mircea_popescu;for as long as this "music library" thing was a thing, winamp was the thing for it.
1507184;1469031082;trinque;runs great on wine too; I ran it there longer than on winderz
1507185;1469031102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wait, we're counting proprietary shits now ?
1507186;1469031103;trinque;2.x vintage
1507187;1469031116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we're counting 'niche owners'
1507188;1469031128;mircea_popescu;well then most of them will be "tivo software owns tivo niche"
1507189;1469031139;mircea_popescu;the idea is, others could have ; haven't.
1507190;1469031144;asciilifeform;ida is the example of 'sole inhabitant of niche'
1507191;1469031163;mircea_popescu;not a niche, more like a cranny.
1507192;1469031248;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: used by pretty much 100% of reversers, auditors, etc. for whatever cpu ever manufactured.
1507193;1469031250;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507141 << this "newbie was an earlier version of you" never fucking happened in reality. it was just the fashionable hash for the pipe the wikipedia-generation idiots were smoking.
1507194;1469031250;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 15:48 phf: well, they don't realize anything changed. decade ago a newbie was younger version of you, today with some chance a newbie might still be a younger version of you, but much more likely it's a person who never knew you had to wash hands after bathroom there purely to turn everything that you've built to shit
1507195;1469031259;asciilifeform;ditto 0day hunters, etc.
1507196;1469031285;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in dispute is not the ownership part, but the niche part. it's not a niche!
1507197;1469031294;asciilifeform;i have nfi what, then, is a niche.
1507198;1469031307;asciilifeform;reversing is just as much a functional niche as 'music play'
1507199;1469031314;asciilifeform;or 'drawing proggy'
1507200;1469031317;mircea_popescu;hm.
1507201;1469031323;mircea_popescu;ok fine!
1507202;1469031342;mircea_popescu;mr "oh i'll never run someone's binary give me my ida!"
1507203;1469031352;asciilifeform;hey i run virii
1507204;1469031358;asciilifeform;used to do it, for a living, even.
1507205;1469031363;asciilifeform;have entire room of machines devoted to same.
1507206;1469031383;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-30#1493407
1507207;1469031383;a111;Logged on 2016-06-30 15:38 asciilifeform: trinque: fact remains, if you think i'm gonna run a binary, ANYONE's binary, for whatever reason, yer smoking dope.
1507208;1469031392;mircea_popescu;now what ? negrate for scam ???
1507209;1469031401;asciilifeform;'run' here shorthand for 'on battlestation'
1507210;1469031408;asciilifeform;picture i were to run a pesticide shop
1507211;1469031420;asciilifeform;does it mean i eat chrorophos for breakfast ?
1507212;1469031425;asciilifeform;*chlorophos
1507213;1469031436;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not the one sprouting spurious absolutes, which is why i'm not the one with this problem. what picture.
1507214;1469031443;*;trinque lols
1507215;1469031491;asciilifeform;i suppose my assumption that ~everyone~ has distinct 'circles of hell' for running proggies, is baseless
1507216;1469031506;asciilifeform;so consider it explained.
1507217;1469031516;asciilifeform;different machines, for different purposes, on different lans, etc.
1507218;1469031528;mircea_popescu;well no, but your assumption that you making a general statement will be taken as made rather than modified ad-hoc is not only unwarranted, but actually contrary to your declared preference.
1507219;1469031532;mircea_popescu;what, you're talking ascii ?
1507220;1469031540;mircea_popescu;"everyone is welcome to substitute it randomly" ?
1507221;1469031559;asciilifeform;neh simply forgot to explain that i 'redefined number 2'
1507222;1469031571;asciilifeform;so - here you go, 'run' does not mean 'run all in one pot'
1507223;1469031576;mircea_popescu;which is culpable, seeing how the entire argument there hinged on the definition of number 2.
1507224;1469031588;asciilifeform;just like i take a shit, you should not assume that i did it in same room i sleep and eat in.
1507225;1469031590;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to do this like i do it on trilema ; but it's another to do it in the face of contention.
1507226;1469031593;asciilifeform;even if it turns out that most folks do.
1507227;1469031600;asciilifeform;(why? nfi, maybe they are in jail)
1507228;1469031601;mircea_popescu;the latter is how ambitious if incompetent lawyers lose 90% of the cases they lose.
1507229;1469031646;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has a point here, but i did consider 'run' to have been explained eons ago, when i publicly described my profession.
1507230;1469031674;mircea_popescu;check out all the unexpected trouble one can stir up out of entirely left field dao.
1507231;1469031683;asciilifeform;lel
1507232;1469031741;asciilifeform;incidentally i might not even ~know~ all of the assumptions which some luser somewhere might read into the text. mircea_popescu reminds me that most of'em probably think 'he has 1 computer, and 1 lan'
1507233;1469031743;asciilifeform;but what else?
1507234;1469031749;asciilifeform;i might not even be able to catalogue what else.
1507235;1469031790;asciilifeform;this would require a dedicated anthropological dig
1507236;1469031796;asciilifeform;by qualified specialist.
1507237;1469031803;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507203   <<< what are `virii` ?
1507238;1469031803;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 16:15 asciilifeform: hey i run virii
1507239;1469031826;asciilifeform;shinohai: malware in the general case.
1507240;1469031833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, they keep thinking "mp has one suit", so why not.
1507241;1469031837;asciilifeform;shinohai: e.g., 'cryptolocker'
1507242;1469031855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy, even i have >1
1507243;1469031887;mircea_popescu;you're "men with jobs, jerry! and secretaries!" whereas average http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507131 has one stale pizza box and one pizza stained tshirt.
1507244;1469031887;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 15:43 phf: so i push back on the guy, rme says "let's change subject", within minutes guy goes "it's late here i gotta go to sleep"
1507245;1469031895;trinque;there's a pragmatic distinction here between "this is a statement of holy truth" and "this shovel is currently doubling as guillotine in a pinch"
1507246;1469031898;shinohai;Kind of imagined you meant plural of viruses there.
1507247;1469031904;trinque;nothing wrong with that; I was saying the same yesterday
1507248;1469031909;asciilifeform;shinohai: 1 per box at a time..
1507249;1469031958;trinque;worth probably also giving n00bs the holy truth beating and leaving redefining english to shakespeare
1507250;1469031984;mircea_popescu;trinque the thing is that you're perfectly allowed to use your own, consistent definitions, even if they may contradict "the common sense" ; provided that a) they are consistent ~and stable enough so as not to change by context~ and b) you're capable of expliciting them on request and this will not contradict previous construction. ie - you may have any graph you wish (chiefly because anyone does anyway, "community consensus"
1507251;1469031985;mircea_popescu; is not a thing, no matter what it pretends), but it must have no cycles in it.
1507252;1469031987;mircea_popescu;of neither kind.
1507253;1469031991;asciilifeform;trinque: no redefinitions involved. i run'em. what's the problem.
1507254;1469032018;trinque;mircea_popescu: I see it
1507255;1469032029;asciilifeform;y'know, hobo wears a shirt. mircea_popescu wears a shirt. etc. no contradictions involved.
1507256;1469032043;mircea_popescu;(cycle kind 1 : when your definitions can be forced into a cycle by changing contexts ; cycle kind 2 : when your definitions can be forced into a cycle by changing spot in time)
1507257;1469032059;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my shirt was weaved out of virgin tears tho!
1507258;1469032064;asciilifeform;rule #1 of vtronics: no cyclez!1111111
1507259;1469032068;mircea_popescu;aha.
1507260;1469032083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know ? it's actuallty much huger than originally realised ; v is actually a model of knowledge in the general sense.
1507261;1469032103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja know: if you forbid cycles, mark'n'sweek garbage collection works ?
1507262;1469032109;asciilifeform;this has implications beyond gc.
1507263;1469032113;mircea_popescu;which is by itself an achievement which dwarfs the accomplishments of the entire current genewration of anthropologists and kinda takes my breath away.
1507264;1469032115;asciilifeform;*sweep
1507265;1469032120;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1507266;1469032133;mircea_popescu;i think we're sitting on a poorly understood oilpatch.
1507267;1469032133;asciilifeform;anyway it is a good knife, now folks must pick it up, cut.
1507268;1469032148;asciilifeform;it is not the sword from norse saga, won't fight by itself.
1507269;1469032192;mircea_popescu;trinque anyway, trilema is a foremost example of "i have my set of defintions and you likely don't know what they are ; nor will likely figure it out through a whole article - shit's too fine."
1507270;1469032198;mircea_popescu;drives people up the walls.
1507271;1469032269;mircea_popescu;part of the problem is obviously that english is a language spoken by idiots, and it shows. but this isn't a large part and certainly not the largest part - i was doing the same thing in romanian. arguably much worse - people don't realise romanian is ALSO mostly spoken by idiots.
1507272;1469032335;mircea_popescu;anyway. fucking javascript of a language if i ever saw one, this english thing. how do you people live ?
1507273;1469032349;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: never forget, it is a commercial pidgin
1507274;1469032357;asciilifeform;not a language, really, hasn't been in eons.
1507275;1469032385;mircea_popescu;how do i humorously say "male whore" as in, "curv", which is the never-seen but PERFECTLY GRAMMATICAL masculine of curva, whore ?
1507276;1469032397;asciilifeform;'puto' !
1507277;1469032401;mircea_popescu;aha lol.
1507278;1469032422;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and yes but it drives stupidity such as chomsky's rank nonsense about "what is gramatical". if you recall that recently linked essay.
1507279;1469032423;asciilifeform;i guess anglicization might be 'he-whore'
1507280;1469032432;asciilifeform;no worse than 'she-wolf'
1507281;1469032445;asciilifeform;ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz!111
1507282;1469032448;mircea_popescu;i'd rather use hoare - hor if forced to do something with it.
1507283;1469032473;mircea_popescu;$google blutjunge verfuhrerinnen
1507284;1469032474;deedbot;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066852/ << Blutjunge Verführerinnen (1971) - IMDb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rgTKczaris << Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen 197 - YouTube | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068298/ << Blutjunge Verführerinnen 3. Teil (1972) - IMDb
1507285;1469032482;asciilifeform;aha, it.
1507286;1469032497;asciilifeform;'misleaderess'
1507287;1469032500;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/blutjunge-verfuhrerinnen/ < for the rophone.
1507288;1469032624;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507007 << are you familliar with the SMILES system of notation?
1507289;1469032624;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 14:34 mircea_popescu: i'm even amenable to saying ::oc/C-COH-C::
1507290;1469032632;mircea_popescu;PeterL not very.
1507291;1469032637;PeterL;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_molecular-input_line-entry_system
1507292;1469032646;mircea_popescu;but mind, i wasn't seriously proposing this be used ; just ad-hoc showing that it can be.
1507293;1469032659;asciilifeform;PeterL: aha, i had this! in chemgroup's 'MOE'
1507294;1469032678;asciilifeform;PeterL: which i programmed for, every day, for years, long ago.
1507295;1469032687;mircea_popescu;PeterL it's kinda what i was doing pedestrianly.
1507296;1469032712;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it's ~only use is to key in structures from journals, and to keep'em in db
1507297;1469032716;PeterL;I only use it by drawing the structure and having it generate the SMILES, which can be, E.G. pasted into another program
1507298;1469032719;asciilifeform;it is not meant for human consumption!1111
1507299;1469032725;asciilifeform;aha, PeterL has it.
1507300;1469032746;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fu you're not to speak for humans! PeterL sure, and most people only write html by clicking on buttons. but i like to type my shit out.
1507301;1469032748;asciilifeform;and yes you can close rings, etc. but it rapidly turns into a regexp-like monster.
1507302;1469032767;PeterL;its like trying to see a picture by looking at the bit values, works better if you have a program draw it out for you
1507303;1469032772;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you wilfully ignore the benefit this exercise has for thinking.
1507304;1469032776;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my point was that everyone who worked in chemistry in any capacity since '90s or so, has used it, but no one works WITH it on paper or in head !
1507305;1469032801;mircea_popescu;PeterL depends man. if i am involved in a process of trying to understand something, which may take many hours to many months, that i am saved five minutes for a typing out is not necessarily useful.
1507306;1469032811;mircea_popescu;maybe i'm using that as a thinking support. which i usually am.
1507307;1469032813;asciilifeform;PeterL: you may have missed mega-thread earlier , where mircea_popescu suggested that the pictures are unnecessary because the textual representation is possible.
1507308;1469032833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am willing to state that the reason nobody discovered anything interesting since the 90s or so is because they haven't.
1507309;1469032875;asciilifeform;wake me up when there is any support for this hypothesis.
1507310;1469032902;mircea_popescu;obviously, if you'e looking at a picture of snatch, catlols etc, best to scroll through. if you are trying to decide if there is or is not a nuclear base there ; a cancer cell there, etc
1507311;1469032908;mircea_popescu;you WILL look at the fucking bit values
1507312;1469032909;asciilifeform;overall i agree with 'folks dumbly copy, paste, dun think things through'
1507313;1469032911;mircea_popescu;you will, or you're no good.
1507314;1469032935;asciilifeform;you will look at the ~relevant~ zoom level.
1507315;1469032954;mircea_popescu;no, because bullshit interpolation is no good.
1507316;1469032960;asciilifeform;rather than at protons of cancer cell, because you get the notion that they differ from regular protons in your garden.
1507317;1469032980;mircea_popescu;they do. they're the protons of the cancer cell.
1507318;1469032992;mircea_popescu;the world was built on logos. deal with it.
1507319;1469033001;mircea_popescu;fucking inept wanna-be demiurge of drawing shit omg.
1507320;1469033020;PeterL;protons differ, that is how NMR/MRI works
1507321;1469033026;mircea_popescu;$google "fiat lux, zise cu gura plina, si pe loc se si facu lumina"
1507322;1469033026;deedbot;No results.
1507323;1469033030;mircea_popescu;pff.
1507324;1469033062;asciilifeform;PeterL: they differ like the letters on my keyboard differ from yours.
1507325;1469033084;PeterL;isn't your keyboard cyrilic?
1507326;1469033087;asciilifeform;no?
1507327;1469033094;*;asciilifeform never in his entire life owned a non-latin kbd
1507328;1469033102;asciilifeform;though... i might have a japanese one somewhere.
1507329;1469033106;PeterL;nevermind, was supposed to be joke
1507330;1469033106;asciilifeform;pretty sure i do.
1507331;1469033119;asciilifeform;PeterL: phf i think might have a genuine cyrillic kbd somewhere
1507332;1469033133;asciilifeform;i haven't even ~seen~ one since '92 or so
1507333;1469033152;asciilifeform;PeterL: most orc folk use transliteratrons of one kind or another.
1507334;1469033259;PeterL;OK, but still, there are differing protons. Not all are the same, just like not all keys on the keyboard are the same, is that the metaphor you were going for?
1507335;1469033278;asciilifeform;if you heat the thing to 5000K and they come out, they will be same as any other proton.
1507336;1469033290;PeterL;yes, so?
1507337;1469033293;asciilifeform;so they are same.
1507338;1469033308;PeterL;they have the potential to be the same, right now they are different
1507339;1469033323;asciilifeform;the idempotence of items like electron is whole basis of chemistry.
1507340;1469033336;asciilifeform;they are not different, just emplaced differently.
1507341;1469033339;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> if you heat the thing to 5000K and they come out << dude... gohead cancer to 500k. wtf is with you.
1507342;1469033351;PeterL;what does that have to do with graphical/alphabetic notations?
1507343;1469033351;asciilifeform;discussing idempotence of the parts.
1507344;1469033365;mircea_popescu;but you're discussing something that is entirely unrelated to what we were discussing.
1507345;1469033366;asciilifeform;PeterL: the zoom levels item.
1507346;1469033367;mircea_popescu;this is not discusing!
1507347;1469033389;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu's assertion that 'you ought to take the benzyl ring and look at the bits of the jpeg'
1507348;1469033455;asciilifeform;granted, it is difficult to avoid doing this, mentally, on occasion - when dealing with, e.g., vsepr
1507349;1469033460;mircea_popescu;what i said was that a) ultimately all data is in point of fact data, and unless you're fucking around you will wish to look at the data ; b) that "Saving time" is only useful to people in a hurry ; and people thinking are seldomly in a hurry. rather than play with a desk weight while i try to comprehend x item, i might as well longhand its structure.
1507350;1469033495;asciilifeform;'the data' is not strictly defined, nor the instrument with which to look productively - raster display, or teletype, or play it through the sound card (i sometimes do...)
1507351;1469033509;mircea_popescu;and, to all unstubborn engineers and others present : when encountering a difficult problem, do try and EXPLAIN IT. in writing.
1507352;1469033513;asciilifeform;i've experimented with playing protein structures, yes, through sound card.
1507353;1469033522;mircea_popescu;it's the fundamental reason "correspondence" even exists as a thing in science.
1507354;1469033532;mircea_popescu;language makes people smarter.
1507355;1469033573;asciilifeform;~correct abstraction~ makes people smarter.
1507356;1469033579;asciilifeform;sometimes, it is a custom language.
1507357;1469033596;asciilifeform;sometimes - plastic motherfucking models.
1507358;1469033601;asciilifeform;(nobody ever beat these for chem)
1507359;1469033603;asciilifeform;NOBODY.
1507360;1469033606;mircea_popescu;it's also a large part of why i even bother with trilema, otherwise i could just put up a page consisting of http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/penis.jpg
1507361;1469033646;asciilifeform;l0l
1507362;1469039189;phf;i think i might've had a cyrillic keyboard at some point. fwiw they are usually dual labeled, e.g. on Q you're also going to have a smaller Й somewhere on the side 
1507363;1469039274;phf;i haven't seen one of those since russia though. or maybe i brought it with my old computer, but strange i probably would've kept it.
1507364;1469039474;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506525 << it's not fiction, the facts are sourced, the interpretation that bey puts on them is his own though and i feel like he often stretches it to keep the narrative consistent with the "utopias" part of his premise
1507365;1469039475;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:22 mats: oh wait, these are fictional huh
1507366;1469041217;mircea_popescu;guy's some brit though neh ?
1507367;1469041993;thestringpuller;i have a puzzle for http developers
1507368;1469042007;thestringpuller;so i copy a raw http request from soapui, i put it into the raw section of postman
1507369;1469042026;thestringpuller;SOAPUI gets the correct response, postman causes 500 error
1507370;1469042219;jurov;what's soapui and psotman?
1507371;1469042290;jurov;it can be caused by millionc possible things
1507372;1469044484;mircea_popescu;put wireshark on, see what the difference is.
1507373;1469044549;mircea_popescu;alternatively, send telnet/curl raw like sane ppl. wtf is postman.
1507374;1469044552;trinque;teh parallel with "look at the data!!" from earlier vs "UI" as styled high-level API
1507375;1469044561;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1507376;1469044580;mircea_popescu;and teh parallel with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506568
1507377;1469044580;a111;Logged on 2016-07-19 23:51 mircea_popescu: at this point, project either delivers and is done or takes on life of own. if takes on life, then 3. more wizards are added, they slowly asm-ify the loops, inside out.
1507378;1469044587;mircea_popescu;sooner or later all abstraction melts away.
1507379;1469044794;mircea_popescu;oh and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504500 : so i was scammed into watching A TV SHOW. not substantially different from "pride and prejudice"/random televisa production. lotta spurious "interpersonal relations" shots without much logic interspersed with meaningless "warfare" shots without much logic.
1507380;1469044794;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 00:43 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu re: http://trilema.com/2016/sobieski-si-romanii , didja ever see mega-film 'ogniem i mieczem' ?
1507381;1469044884;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: did you even see same thing i saw ?
1507382;1469044898;asciilifeform;it was a 3-parter - iirc part 1 made in '90s, 2 - '80s, 3 - '70s (yes)
1507383;1469044955;mircea_popescu;4 parts, with a deeply inept izabella scorupco
1507384;1469044976;asciilifeform;4?!
1507385;1469044985;mircea_popescu;yeah. well i only managed to get through ~1.5
1507386;1469044999;mircea_popescu;fucking bond extras thinking themselves actresses wtf is this.
1507387;1469045070;mircea_popescu;what did you like anyway, the costumes ?
1507388;1469045077;asciilifeform;http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0064785 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072021 and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0128378 . that makes 3
1507389;1469045079;asciilifeform;what was 4 ?
1507390;1469045093;mircea_popescu;ugh. i guess ima go look now.
1507391;1469045192;mircea_popescu;4th starts wqith scene of ilsa in shot with the bizarro "witch" woman (typical televisa shot, both face the camera, because totally this is how people interact) ; ends with balcony scene of the obnoxious derp + ilsa wedding.
1507392;1469045212;asciilifeform;yeah but wtf was 4th? when filmed ? can haz imdb ?
1507393;1469045215;mircea_popescu;wtf was with that guy, there's a montage worth a good 10 minutes of him gurning meaninglessly at the [mostly burning] scenery
1507394;1469045229;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect it might have just been re-cut for convenience ?
1507395;1469045234;asciilifeform;this is possible.
1507396;1469045236;mircea_popescu;ie, they made it into 4 parts.
1507397;1469045253;asciilifeform;so which of these did mircea_popescu see 1.5 of ?
1507398;1469045253;mircea_popescu;tho it starts and ends with credits, so im guessing prolly stolen from some polish tv ?
1507399;1469045259;mircea_popescu;1 and ~2
1507400;1469045268;asciilifeform;ah.
1507401;1469045274;mircea_popescu;i managed to crawl up to the part where the weird woman reads auspices in water wheel.
1507402;1469045277;asciilifeform;the older chunks are better.
1507403;1469045307;asciilifeform;at any rate if mircea_popescu knows of better film about rzeczpospolita, let's have it.
1507404;1469045309;mircea_popescu;but this is in no sense a film
1507405;1469045315;mircea_popescu;it's a tv show. like the price is right and jeopardy.
1507406;1469045348;asciilifeform;y'mean in 20 min chunks with 15m of ads ?
1507407;1469045349;asciilifeform;mno.
1507408;1469045361;asciilifeform;it was - film.
1507409;1469045383;mircea_popescu;i mean it's vignettes of no internal sense, designed to appeal to the emotional brain of middle aged women, strewn together by no glue other than the happenstance of having been so presented.
1507410;1469045393;mircea_popescu;like porn, exactly. except without the redeeming value of cunt.
1507411;1469045404;asciilifeform;i'm not actually sure who it was for. i liked because - weird enough.
1507412;1469045405;mircea_popescu;i suppose "rzeczpospolita" may substitute for the perverse ?
1507413;1469045418;mircea_popescu;anyways. ima just mark down that you really liked the hats an' move on.
1507414;1469045425;asciilifeform;i liked the stakes.
1507415;1469045435;mircea_popescu;same difference.
1507416;1469045439;asciilifeform;lolk.
1507417;1469045459;mircea_popescu;fetishism, you understand me ? "i like this book because of the way capital letters are drawn at beginning of paragraph"
1507418;1469045579;asciilifeform;fair'nuff
1507419;1469045772;mircea_popescu;one of the very best offerings in comparative cinematography, btw, is imo http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1422122/ ; a collection of 5 or so shorts - coupla of which made by exceptional directors, which shows ; the rest made by inept derps (hanno hofer worst of the lot), and they look exactly like "someone filmed 80 30second ad clips and spliced them together)
1507420;1469045795;mircea_popescu;if i ran a culture of cinema phd programme i'd spend a few hours with that thing.
1507421;1469048560;shinohai;mircea_popescu: re: wordpress so is there a better way to do all this than the lamp behemoth ?
1507422;1469048693;shinohai;smeday
1507423;1469049770;trinque;gonna need an OS, web server, db, programming language neh?
1507424;1469049866;trinque;shinohai: https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress
1507425;1469049904;trinque;minus the part where you install the wordpress apt package
1507426;1469049980;trinque;apt-cache showpkg wordpress  << should give ya list of packages you'll need
1507427;1469050423;shinohai;thx trinque
1507428;1469050660;shinohai;http://archive.is/YwpPu    <<< this is just autism, plain and simple.
1507429;1469050779;mircea_popescu;shinohai in theory. in practice, no.
1507430;1469050849;mircea_popescu;in any case, we're way the fuck better off with you putting in the medium-skilled 100s of hours to get this working ; and then gradually improving on that basis - than to wait for someone to put in the 10`000s of hours of very highly qualified work to replace lamp&all.
1507431;1469050903;mircea_popescu;and no, it's not autism, they're hatching the cornel derp as "expert" for teh future.
1507432;1469050932;mircea_popescu;shit dun work, but it's all they know how to do, so it's all they're doing. "should be good enough".
1507433;1469051001;mircea_popescu;and in other coindesk & "mainstream" media matters news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/ea9bfe6523f04b7fa3660d3bd034b83c/tumblr_njzygprU981tme9oio1_1280.jpg
1507434;1469051474;danielpbarron;and in other channels news >> Clash> I spoof my phone's location to manipulate Pokemon Go. << nifty idea huh? I don't know the game well enough but it sounds like someone could rile up a lot of feathers if they took this concept to the extreme
1507435;1469051589;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15Om
1507436;1469051590;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1507437;1469051608;thestringpuller;oh no!
1507438;1469051877;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15On
1507439;1469051877;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1507440;1469052045;trinque;danielpbarron: cell phone's still a radio beacon at a particular place even if it's lying to whatever API
1507441;1469052072;trinque;$s stingray
1507442;1469052072;a111;11 results for "stingray", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=stingray
1507443;1469052782;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron not really that hard to do afaik
1507444;1469053212;pete_dushenski;http://www.lse.ac.uk/economicHistory/workingPapers/2016/WP249.pdf << "The results indicate that scientists, engineers or technicians were not well-represented among the British great inventors, and their contributions remained unspecialized until very late in the nineteenth century. For developing countries today, the implications are that costly investments in specialized human capital resources might be
1507445;1469053212;pete_dushenski; less important than incentives for creativity, flexibility, and the ability to make incremental adjustments that can transform existing technologies into inventions that are appropriate for prevailing domestic conditions." << basically get the govn't out of the way and que sera sera, the meat will be what it'll be.
1507446;1469053502;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506866 << i guess i don't subscribe to the theory of server scarcity. at least not any more than the theory of global food scarcity. if server only does one thing for one man, so be it.
1507447;1469053502;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 04:07 ben_vulpes: go, try to remove cpanel from a machine.
1507448;1469053561;ben_vulpes;feel free to boil shit in gutter oil in your own kitchen.
1507449;1469053579;ben_vulpes;just ain't kosher.
1507450;1469053595;ben_vulpes;and whoever said scarce, or anything like that.
1507451;1469053600;ben_vulpes;os reinstalls are trivial.
1507452;1469053607;ben_vulpes;should one care to.
1507453;1469053612;ben_vulpes;idem server purchases.
1507454;1469053647;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506883 << cheers. i'll let you know if i come up with any more questions about cock.li
1507455;1469053647;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 10:47 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-19#1506544 << i've a $10 vps, no complaints, i did the initial ipv4 probing off of that. didn't run any i/o etc benchmarks tho. any particular questions (i can run some benchmark if you want)
1507456;1469053650;ben_vulpes;"nah it's fine, i'll just have the shit-cooking kitchen *over there*"
1507457;1469053700;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: i'm still not sure i see the angle but it's probably fair to blame my own ignorance on the subject
1507458;1469053733;ben_vulpes;looks like you 'just want to' server stats from here.
1507459;1469053733;*;pete_dushenski isn't chef, still sous sous sous sous chef
1507460;1469053836;pete_dushenski;i've had no issues with cpanel in the past, nor is 'cpanel doesn't unglue without reformatting' a cause to abandon it in my book
1507461;1469053842;ben_vulpes;tools you might consider instead, fail2ban, iptables, apache mod_status
1507462;1469053851;ben_vulpes;should you give a shit
1507463;1469053868;ben_vulpes;i mean yeah, it's a microwave, to continue the cooking metaphor.
1507464;1469053877;pete_dushenski;^
1507465;1469053888;ben_vulpes;rattles water molecules, makes $thing hot
1507466;1469053908;*;pete_dushenski is fond of the micro onde
1507467;1469053936;ben_vulpes;i have a live in chef for food, and my own two hands for servers.
1507468;1469053962;ben_vulpes;jus ribbin ya
1507469;1469053979;pete_dushenski;lolk
1507470;1469054005;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE << ever hear of letterkenny, pete_dushenski ?
1507471;1469054025;pete_dushenski;i'm content with a few hot meals a week, the rest, i scavenge. makes the hot meals all the better.
1507472;1469054050;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: hm nope.
1507473;1469054065;*;pete_dushenski watching
1507474;1469054070;*;ben_vulpes watches again
1507475;1469054129;pete_dushenski;btw mazel tov on the new pad, ben_vulpes
1507476;1469054196;ben_vulpes;ty, that's just money though
1507477;1469054204;ben_vulpes;fence was the actually onerous thing.
1507478;1469054245;pete_dushenski;ha, that vid is priceless.
1507479;1469054261;ben_vulpes;here there's another good one with the hockey players
1507480;1469054277;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rSBmOgpcDE
1507481;1469054284;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: whaddya mean 'that's just money' ? you did buy house for little vulpes fam, no ?
1507482;1469054296;ben_vulpes;nono, america es un pais pobre
1507483;1469054303;ben_vulpes;but the rent and the move etc are just money
1507484;1469054332;pete_dushenski;lol america can be pobre without you being pobre
1507485;1469054359;pete_dushenski;i've been looking high and low for a decent house rental
1507486;1469054377;ben_vulpes;i moved out of the city!
1507487;1469054380;ben_vulpes;that's the best part
1507488;1469054383;pete_dushenski;it just... isn't the culture here. pickings are slim as shit.
1507489;1469054394;pete_dushenski;how far out ?
1507490;1469054394;ben_vulpes;i saw a few vancouver rentals this weekend
1507491;1469054397;ben_vulpes;blech
1507492;1469054412;ben_vulpes;8.3 ish miles from the office
1507493;1469054426;ben_vulpes;35 minute ride in and out
1507494;1469054435;ben_vulpes;85%+ of it on dedicated bike routes
1507495;1469054450;ben_vulpes;and by dedicated i mean physically segregated and no stopping.
1507496;1469054457;ben_vulpes;'springwater corridor' etc
1507497;1469054471;ben_vulpes;quite idyllic, and far enough out that people whose egos are tied up in
1507498;1469054478;ben_vulpes;'living in portland' aren't interested
1507499;1469054491;ben_vulpes;plus the american flags and crosses and big pickups tend to scare the hipsters away.
1507500;1469054541;pete_dushenski;sounds... lovely.
1507501;1469054552;ben_vulpes;no sidewalks.
1507502;1469054565;ben_vulpes;i did not envision living in a neighborhood without sidewalks.
1507503;1469054566;pete_dushenski;and you can cycle year round neh ?
1507504;1469054577;ben_vulpes;i mean raingear's a thing
1507505;1469054596;ben_vulpes;kinda obligatory in the summer for commuters due to the wacky climate dynamics in the area.
1507506;1469054606;ben_vulpes;"most likely won't rain" every day
1507507;1469054619;ben_vulpes;*even* in the summer.
1507508;1469054660;pete_dushenski;http://monroenews.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2014/02/16/Outdoors_Fat_Bikes_Gorc_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d << this is what winter riding looks like 'round these parts.
1507509;1469054680;ben_vulpes;haw
1507510;1469054683;pete_dushenski;i'm halfway considering 'fat tire' cycle even
1507511;1469054744;ben_vulpes;give this town two inches of snow and you get https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCoxOReXlHI
1507512;1469054759;ben_vulpes;happens pretty reliably once every other winter or so
1507513;1469054770;pete_dushenski;in other news no one here can use, i'm brokering a rather minty 1991 porsche 964/911 carrera 4 coupe manual if anyone's in the air-cooled market.
1507514;1469054799;*;ben_vulpes has enough cars, salivating over pickups and haustrucks these days
1507515;1469054811;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lol mega skillz on display. like 'stars on ice'
1507516;1469054819;ben_vulpes;town of derps.
1507517;1469054844;ben_vulpes;and they think they only behave that way /on ice/
1507518;1469054906;pete_dushenski;http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1947-mercury-79m-woody-wagon/ << betcha you could make a darling house outta this girl
1507519;1469055014;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ << ok now this is just flat-out impressive. from whence such a display of creativity and courage ?
1507520;1469055063;ben_vulpes;idly considering acquiring several old trailers, rehabing them with ladybird and renting them out
1507521;1469055113;ben_vulpes;in large part to avoid showing taxable incomes
1507522;1469055124;pete_dushenski;not a bad strat.
1507523;1469056543;thestringpuller;the 90's are alive in portlant
1507524;1469056547;thestringpuller;portland*
1507525;1469056631;ben_vulpes;never died
1507526;1469056791;BingoBoingo;.
1507527;1469057086;BingoBoingo;People who plead aren't news because not people
1507528;1469057120;BingoBoingo;also thestringpuller when did shinohai let you on his dpastey thing?
1507529;1469057154;shinohai;did you tell me you didn't like that pastebin and I forgot ?
1507530;1469057223;BingoBoingo;Oh it was your piece?
1507531;1469057247;BingoBoingo;But yeah
1507532;1469057252;BingoBoingo;pastebin is the suck
1507533;1469057267;BingoBoingo;Oh, no thestringpuller's sig
1507534;1469057287;BingoBoingo;But yeah you're the only person to use it and then thestringpuller gets an invite before I do?
1507535;1469057450;shinohai;i mean, no invite really needed just curl lol
1507536;1469057472;BingoBoingo;oh, ic
1507537;1469057482;shinohai;cat article.asc | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
1507538;1469057507;BingoBoingo;oh, ic
1507539;1469057550;shinohai;wordpress makes wiki articles look kinda nice
1507540;1469057750;thestringpuller;SUre
1507541;1469057819;thestringpuller;yea. ix.is is good for qntra writers. just make script to dump gpg turd into ix.is and then i can just dump that to irc
1507542;1469058352;phf;zhttp://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507246 << it's a term of art from the 90s, back when malware carried exclusively destructive payload, but since then particular broken latin form morphed into oldfag leet speak for "malware"
1507543;1469058352;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 16:24 shinohai: Kind of imagined you meant plural of viruses there.
1507544;1469058415;phf;pretty sure most 90s script kiddies at some point cracked latin dictionary and went "waitaminute" followed immediately by "well, what the hell, that's kind of cool on its own"
1507545;1469058486;shinohai;ah kk
1507546;1469058829;thestringpuller;drop the spike!
1507547;1469060233;phf;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/07/kickasstorrents-alleged-founder-artem-vaulin-arrested-in-poland/
1507548;1469060287;phf;sux
1507549;1469060291;BingoBoingo;yeah
1507550;1469060747;deedbot;[Qntra] Alleged Hero Arrested - http://qntra.net/2016/07/alleged-hero-arrested/
1507551;1469061086;shinohai;btw pete_dushenski cheers for `blacked.com`
1507552;1469061117;pete_dushenski;heh
1507553;1469061171;pete_dushenski;"specifically the one who though Mark Karpelès did it." << thought.
1507554;1469061471;mircea_popescu;dang... thisis going to be >1k lines a day isn't it.
1507555;1469061502;BingoBoingo;fxd
1507556;1469061649;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507445 << hence alf's etc "bombmaking in your garage" complaint6.
1507557;1469061649;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 22:20 pete_dushenski:  less important than incentives for creativity, flexibility, and the ability to make incremental adjustments that can transform existing technologies into inventions that are appropriate for prevailing domestic conditions." << basically get the govn't out of the way and que sera sera, the meat will be what it'll be.
1507558;1469061673;mircea_popescu;they have a point. when i cant get a bottle of nitric acid to carelessly spill on table, there's not going to be any inventions.
1507559;1469061778;pete_dushenski;kudos to B. Zorina Khan for the enlightened perspective. hey, maybe (s)he's even a log reader.
1507560;1469061781;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507458 << ftr, awstats or w/e you're using is just a python script, you can get it standalone.
1507561;1469061781;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 22:28 ben_vulpes: looks like you 'just want to' server stats from here.
1507562;1469061824;pete_dushenski;aha.
1507563;1469061862;ben_vulpes;the entire point i apparently failed to make.
1507564;1469061901;mircea_popescu;alternatively, phpmyadmin is also just a script you can get standalone. tho in generall it's a case of "people haven't actually ever tried to cli mysql because nobody ever told them they could"
1507565;1469061917;ben_vulpes;repl up
1507566;1469061924;ben_vulpes;getcher hands dirty
1507567;1469061930;ben_vulpes;and put that motherfuckin browser down, kid
1507568;1469061935;*;mircea_popescu still recalls the utter "holy shit" face of chick when shown this magic
1507569;1469061940;mircea_popescu;I DONT ACTUALLY NEED THE WEB ?!?!?!
1507570;1469061944;ben_vulpes;no.
1507571;1469061946;ben_vulpes;no, you don't.
1507572;1469061951;*;ben_vulpes has seen this face.
1507573;1469061958;mircea_popescu;you know ?
1507574;1469061963;ben_vulpes;so well
1507575;1469061980;mircea_popescu;"of fucking course you can paste sql results into grep. it's called a pipe. and alternatively... you could just write your sql correctly"
1507576;1469061983;mircea_popescu;*face*
1507577;1469062004;ben_vulpes;psql will even shit csvs
1507578;1469062009;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: ^^
1507579;1469062013;mircea_popescu;:D
1507580;1469062128;ben_vulpes;tooootally tangentially and not at all related to anything else, would there be any reason to store merkleroots, block/txn hashes as integers vs byte arrays?
1507581;1469062145;mircea_popescu;should be a fucking data type.
1507582;1469062154;ben_vulpes;what, "hash" as its own data type?
1507583;1469062163;mircea_popescu;merkle root as its own data type
1507584;1469062222;ben_vulpes;well the mr is a hash of hashes, no? doesn't have much structure to it.
1507585;1469062230;ben_vulpes;the tree, though...
1507586;1469062249;mircea_popescu;right, right. merkle TREE as its own data type.
1507587;1469062256;ben_vulpes;yeah, yeah.
1507588;1469062270;mircea_popescu;i suppose unrelated to your q so nm.
1507589;1469062272;ben_vulpes;my question is about data in the blockchain. eg merkle roots, block/txn hashes.
1507590;1469062283;ben_vulpes;don't disagree! just...not relevant.
1507591;1469062290;mircea_popescu;ya
1507592;1469062408;ben_vulpes;anyways, very interested on notions about tradeoffs of byte arrays vs. massive integers
1507593;1469062474;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507470 << the only good one of this was the one with the southern womenz. i have nfi why everyone thought they could do a version of their own.
1507594;1469062474;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 22:33 ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozDDYcyrCNE << ever hear of letterkenny, pete_dushenski ?
1507595;1469062475;mircea_popescu;they can't.
1507596;1469062503;mircea_popescu;was this in the logs ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g
1507597;1469062590;ben_vulpes;yes
1507598;1469062663;ben_vulpes;that's not nearly southern women as it is "women who live in suburbia in the south of usgistan"
1507599;1469062666;phf;ben_vulpes: if you're talking lisp, there's no reason not to store those values as numbers
1507600;1469062687;ben_vulpes;phf: talking postgres, actually.
1507601;1469062690;phf;ben_vulpes: in fact reading a hash becomes (parse-integer ... :base 16)
1507602;1469062719;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507493 << what do you ride, goats ?
1507603;1469062720;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 22:40 ben_vulpes: 35 minute ride in and out
1507604;1469062734;ben_vulpes;phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-04#1186243
1507605;1469062734;a111;Logged on 2015-07-04 00:48 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: could do an even shorter/sweeter bidirectional (!) version with 'binary-types' ( http://www.cliki.net/binary-types )
1507606;1469062770;hanbot;mircea_popescu everyone in ben_vulpes 'land smokes pot. you do know how potsmokers drive, do you?
1507607;1469062782;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: a bicycle.
1507608;1469062794;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-americana/#comment-118152 << check it out, dude fucking nailed it!
1507609;1469062802;mircea_popescu;hanbot ahahaha zing.
1507610;1469062810;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes bro do you even pedal.
1507611;1469062825;mod6;heheh
1507612;1469062827;ben_vulpes;so hard bro
1507613;1469062828;ben_vulpes;so hard
1507614;1469062838;mircea_popescu;lol
1507615;1469062848;ben_vulpes;TARTS OFF
1507616;1469062850;ben_vulpes;LET'S GO
1507617;1469062863;mircea_popescu;#trilema. best testosterone. also almonds.
1507618;1469062880;phf;ben_vulpes: well, binary types are unrelated to the issue though. binary types you declare your struct, you still want to decide yourself what goes in the struct. treating hashes as numbers makes sense if you're going full lisp, i.e. you're actually going to do math with those numbers (which is at the end of the day their whole purpose), unless it's not actually a hash but a bit mask or a xor'd something or other
1507619;1469062929;mircea_popescu;phf his question is not really formulated. "best" what, "least likely to be fucked up by the c compiler" ?
1507620;1469062964;ben_vulpes;ftr i do an average 24.6 km/h for thirty five minutes.
1507621;1469062986;mircea_popescu;i walk faster than that! backwards!
1507622;1469062995;ben_vulpes;nonsense!
1507623;1469063004;ben_vulpes;get out of here with your sticks and magic numbers
1507624;1469063007;mircea_popescu;i walk about 14-14.5.
1507625;1469063054;mircea_popescu;no joek.
1507626;1469063091;ben_vulpes;that stroll we took in ba never cracked ten
1507627;1469063109;mircea_popescu;tru. can't properly walk with womenz present.
1507628;1469063113;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho
1507629;1469063123;ben_vulpes;said the ostrich
1507630;1469063125;mircea_popescu;do you do 24.6km/h with teh woman ?
1507631;1469063139;hanbot;by getting her some combat bootz.
1507632;1469063151;ben_vulpes;girl dun bike
1507633;1469063173;mircea_popescu;hanbot nah, human female is built to not be fast enough.
1507634;1469063184;ben_vulpes;can't be sent out for infrastructure on a bike
1507635;1469063186;mircea_popescu;but for this bit, we'd be extinct.
1507636;1469063192;ben_vulpes;nobody can be sent out for infrastructure on a bike.
1507637;1469063209;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes sorry wut ? sent what ?
1507638;1469063212;*;hanbot has a small aneurysm
1507639;1469063232;ben_vulpes;phf: i'd like to stick these values into postgres, not hold them in memory in a lisp process.
1507640;1469063241;ben_vulpes;hence the question of 'integer vs. byte array'
1507641;1469063242;mircea_popescu;hanbot it's an anthopological fact. if woman could outran man the species would not be here.
1507642;1469063269;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: 'could' doesn't explain why whole cities stood still on the plain for slaughter and rape by the mongols
1507643;1469063270;hanbot;species shmechiesh
1507644;1469063280;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507508 << ok those kinda rule. redneck bikes!
1507645;1469063280;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 22:44 pete_dushenski: http://monroenews.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2014/02/16/Outdoors_Fat_Bikes_Gorc_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3fa67d9af9d << this is what winter riding looks like 'round these parts.
1507646;1469063309;mircea_popescu;you can always tell an anthropologist by that womenz and bikers are in a confederacy against him!
1507647;1469063365;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: will have to send me a bottle of whatever he's enjoying tonight
1507648;1469063374;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha ahahaha omfg that "o noes snow" vid is priceless
1507649;1469063379;mircea_popescu;it's like cats driving
1507650;1469063470;pete_dushenski;"redneck bikes!" << rich rednecks too. og 'fat bikes' were >$5k until the last year or two when clunkier steel $2k models starting hitting stores.
1507651;1469063484;pete_dushenski;s/started/starting
1507652;1469063571;pete_dushenski;which i guess basically describes albertans in a nutshell : a buncha rich rednecks
1507653;1469063614;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: semi-relatedly, the delicas are migrating south
1507654;1469063615;pete_dushenski;"culture ? what culture ? imma wear my cowboy boots to the opera goshdarnit!"
1507655;1469063662;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: delicas ?
1507656;1469063669;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507519 << no one knows. from her mommy ?
1507657;1469063670;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 22:50 pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2013/whore-strat/ << ok now this is just flat-out impressive. from whence such a display of creativity and courage ?
1507658;1469063671;ben_vulpes;$g delica
1507659;1469063697;pete_dushenski;;;ud delica
1507660;1469063698;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1507661;1469063705;ben_vulpes;coulda sworn that was a thing
1507662;1469063719;ben_vulpes;mitsu adventurewagons
1507663;1469063726;ben_vulpes;anyways, client has arrived for dinner
1507664;1469063730;ben_vulpes;adieu
1507665;1469063733;pete_dushenski;celica is the toyota sporty car...
1507666;1469063750;ben_vulpes;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/1a/45/bd/1a45bd0b88ba0870b0d4ff42c9ab3b5c.jpg
1507667;1469063756;ben_vulpes;;;ud lmgtfy
1507668;1469063757;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1507669;1469063772;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: aha! we've had those for a coon's age. 15yo import laws baby. suck it.
1507670;1469063782;pete_dushenski;anyways, cheerio
1507671;1469064281;shinohai;$gettrust webbyz
1507672;1469064281;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1507673;1469064367;phf;ben_vulpes: well, fwiw that question doesn't quite make sense from postgresql perspective either :) since your actual choice is to store decoded byte array in a BYTEA, decoded number in NUMERIC or original hash in CHAR. integer won't fit an entire hash, since it's 4 bytes.
1507674;1469064375;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: that's a hell of a mommy.
1507675;1469064796;phf;ben_vulpes: but i'm just being pedantic
1507676;1469064807;phf;well, now kat.cr is down too..
1507677;1469065214;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1506980 << emacs has (standard-display-cyrillic-translit "Russian"), which i remember being enabled on the dos build of emacs
1507678;1469065214;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 14:28 asciilifeform: the only proggy i've ever encountered which did.
1507679;1469069051;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507676  :( yup
1507680;1469069051;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 01:33 phf: well, now kat.cr is down too..
1507681;1469070771;pete_dushenski;https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/MeredithStatement.pdf << you can't resign from usg.trump just because you're illiterate and didn't do your job (resignation letter from speechwriterlady who not-so-lightly lifted bits from usg.michelle and gave them to usg.melania)
1507682;1469072126;pete_dushenski;sorry, not resignation letter, just statement about resignation letter.
1507683;1469073093;mircea_popescu;the us election drama intensifies ?
1507684;1469073267;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: the mastermind behind 14 seasons of 'the apprentice' always provideth the lulz
1507685;1469073290;Joshua-I;Pretty much the same intensity it has been this whole time
1507686;1469073359;mircea_popescu;maybe gets better as winter comes.
1507687;1469073415;Joshua-I;Well it's all going down in November
1507688;1469073422;Joshua-I;Maybe someone will shoot him in the face
1507689;1469073425;Joshua-I;lul
1507690;1469073428;pete_dushenski;i thought august was supposed to be the 'hot month'
1507691;1469073432;pete_dushenski;in general.
1507692;1469073571;mircea_popescu;maybe trump comes out as a transsexual.
1507693;1469073597;Joshua-I;but why
1507694;1469073731;pete_dushenski;because no true scotsman has hands that small.
1507695;1469073756;Joshua-I;they must have some advantage
1507696;1469074174;Joshua-I;What news outlets do you folks read anyhow
1507697;1469075957;ben_vulpes;qntra, mostly
1507698;1469075966;ben_vulpes;a hand-curated selection of rss feeds
1507699;1469075971;ben_vulpes;oh gcaptain
1507700;1469075981;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly hoooooly shit the retardation on display in #django
1507701;1469075995;ben_vulpes;"where are the docs installed with ancient djangos in virtualenvs?"
1507702;1469075997;ben_vulpes;"what?"
1507703;1469076005;ben_vulpes;"documentation. you know. as what readthedocs is generated from."
1507704;1469076009;ben_vulpes;"oh. have you tried readthedocs?"
1507705;1469076036;ben_vulpes;"yes. eric holscher in his infinite wisdom removed documentation for 1.3.5"
1507706;1469076042;ben_vulpes;"oh. you should probably upgrade."
1507707;1469076048;ben_vulpes;"mno. not worth the cost."
1507708;1469076052;ben_vulpes;"oh. have you installed dash?"
1507709;1469076065;ben_vulpes;"why the everloving fuck would i install 500 mb of webkit for shit that should have been packaged with the source?"
1507710;1469076081;ben_vulpes;"haha but why aren't you upgrading?"
1507711;1469076133;ben_vulpes;phf: i know, i meant 'integer' in the abstract, with numeric as the concrete implementation that i'd use.
1507712;1469076179;ben_vulpes;CHAR[] didn't make much sense to me, because a hash isn't instrinsically a set of characters, except insofar as a byte array can be seen as a set of characters, but which characters...
1507713;1469076238;ben_vulpes;but it lends the benefit of "oh, derps asked about 1b1tc01n34t3r"
1507714;1469076246;ben_vulpes;without having to cast said to a NUMERIC
1507715;1469076278;ben_vulpes;galls me on some level to think about a hash, which i concieve of as an integer, as a byte array or a set of chars.
1507716;1469077012;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes a prime example of why "helpers" aren't helpful
1507717;1469077079;mircea_popescu;and ftr, the c notion of "char" is exactly equal to the notion of byte. the thing uses words and chars.
1507718;1469077098;mircea_popescu;i guess they call the words "int" and the bytes "char"
1507719;1469077109;*;ben_vulpes is stupidly proud to actually understand this now
1507720;1469077158;phf;ben_vulpes: you might benefit from sticking byte array into CHAR[] unless i'm misremembering psql constraints on what kind of chars can go there. because bytea is going to have a 4 byte overhead, numeric an 8 byte overhead
1507721;1469077222;ben_vulpes;my worry is precisely those constraints. "only ascii chars? utf-8 monstrosities?"
1507722;1469077245;phf;also bytea is a varchar, afair you can't put a size constraint on it, so scanning over a column of varchars has some kind of overhead
1507723;1469077267;phf;err, similar to varchar, not literally a varchar
1507724;1469077293;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you understand that there's no difference between an "utf-8 character" and a number of ascii characters yes
1507725;1469077331;ben_vulpes;that i have also learned recently!
1507726;1469077344;ben_vulpes;albeit recently =~ last 3 years
1507727;1469077346;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507577 << how didja think i got the, e.g., 'list of e==1 winnerz' etc out.
1507728;1469077346;mircea_popescu;variable too, 1-4 or some shit
1507729;1469077347;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 00:46 ben_vulpes: psql will even shit csvs
1507730;1469077358;*;ben_vulpes shrugs
1507731;1469077370;ben_vulpes;you were bitching about csvs! how'm i to know what you do and do not know.
1507732;1469077392;phf;same way you're supposed to know he has more than one machine
1507733;1469077394;*;phf ducks
1507734;1469077400;ben_vulpes;get OUT
1507735;1469077410;ben_vulpes;:P
1507736;1469077436;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i was barfing at the idea that phuctor is cleanly sliceable into a piece that lives on my box and sends csv to somebody else. very much own thing, from own thread..
1507737;1469077464;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/392c689f0615d3929368a267e63a6652/tumblr_miotjkNWhp1s0hrh7o2_1280.jpg
1507738;1469077487;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507564 << i'm beginning to see where mircea_popescu got his notions about 'gui is for lamerz'
1507739;1469077487;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 00:45 mircea_popescu: alternatively, phpmyadmin is also just a script you can get standalone. tho in generall it's a case of "people haven't actually ever tried to cli mysql because nobody ever told them they could"
1507740;1469077514;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: did you nuke the 'read only pg user' notion?
1507741;1469077522;mircea_popescu;guy was for lamerz since before www was invented.
1507742;1469077533;ben_vulpes;> ynterface
1507743;1469077555;asciilifeform;gui was for lamers since lamers were issued - by mistake - computer.
1507744;1469077564;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: waiwat
1507745;1469077587;mircea_popescu;even the fucktardation of "resizable windows". you know i never used that stupid shit ?
1507746;1469077595;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'guy'
1507747;1469077601;mircea_popescu;if i wanted multiple viewports i'd have bought more screens.
1507748;1469077615;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, i have 1 per
1507749;1469077646;mircea_popescu;so yes, "gui" is for lamerz. there's no point in having a fucking button to click on like im serving mcfucksticks. there's no need to "shade" the "part of the window that shows you how to move it"
1507750;1469077647;mircea_popescu;etfc.
1507751;1469077661;ben_vulpes;i fight this daily on osx.
1507752;1469077665;ben_vulpes;have three monitors.
1507753;1469077675;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: again these 'are' gui in the same sense php tapeworm is 'programmer'
1507754;1469077687;ben_vulpes;1 usefully allocated to emacs, another to term, laptop screen shows kandinksy, rockets, turbines, etc on shuffle.
1507755;1469077707;mircea_popescu;yeah well your warm saltine box that moves around molecule designs in a hologralcd is not yet on sale.
1507756;1469077719;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes has entire machine to run screensaver?!
1507757;1469077722;asciilifeform;rich fella
1507758;1469077735;ben_vulpes;1 machine for three displays
1507759;1469077739;ben_vulpes;pais pobre
1507760;1469077775;ben_vulpes;and it is heinous apple box, and so there is no unified way to split, shuffle, collapse.
1507761;1469077806;ben_vulpes;i am at the very least lucky that emacs will eat CMD-<anything but tab>
1507762;1469077821;asciilifeform;the depressing thing about the crapple lappy (and i think i have the one ben_vulpes has, the maxint one) is that it makes me pine for a few square metres of its lcd
1507763;1469077827;ben_vulpes;$s mjolnir
1507764;1469077828;a111;1 results for "mjolnir", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mjolnir
1507765;1469077830;asciilifeform;but afaik no one sells it
1507766;1469077844;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/sdegutis/mjolnir << relatedly
1507767;1469077859;asciilifeform;can only be had in idiot 15in chunk
1507768;1469077869;ben_vulpes;it is rather nice.
1507769;1469077890;ben_vulpes;but much like growing fond of fine wines, this is a habit best not acquired.
1507770;1469077908;asciilifeform;would be much more useful if it were 10x bigger and pluggable into real comp
1507771;1469077919;asciilifeform;i would buy it.
1507772;1469077925;ben_vulpes;sure, but how'd they justify the markup on the shitboxen otherwise
1507773;1469077939;ben_vulpes;(4k!)
1507774;1469077984;asciilifeform;the other frustrating thing is that it points the wrong way.
1507775;1469078055;ben_vulpes;you're just going to have to wait for flexible displays, asciilifeform.
1507776;1469078067;asciilifeform;what would that do ?
1507777;1469078077;asciilifeform;lcd that sags? nothx
1507778;1469078079;ben_vulpes;are you not talking about a tall, instead of wide display?
1507779;1469078092;asciilifeform;aha
1507780;1469078108;ben_vulpes;which, if you'll let me finish omfg!, would suck in myriad other ways i can't wait to hear you bitch about
1507781;1469078125;asciilifeform;though idiot 'widescreen' is painful everywhichway, turn it, and it aint wide enough
1507782;1469078135;asciilifeform;use horizontally - not tall.
1507783;1469078145;ben_vulpes;anyways, laptop is not a workstation, we've done this thread.
1507784;1469078158;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i run 4 vertical displays
1507785;1469078173;asciilifeform;tell me how 'would suck' ?
1507786;1469078188;ben_vulpes;because how are you going to cram a tall display into the portable formfactor?
1507787;1469078195;ben_vulpes;i personally want a display that detaches.
1507788;1469078204;ben_vulpes;tiny little compute box. kb. monitor.
1507789;1469078237;ben_vulpes;and all on a 6-axis arm with other 6-axis arms mounted on a ball that follows me around positioning the monitor and kb just perfectly ergonomically.
1507790;1469078239;asciilifeform;what's to keep lappy from being rectangular in other way?
1507791;1469078242;ben_vulpes;so not laptop or even possible.
1507792;1469078292;asciilifeform;cue mircea_popescu 'all computers are portable!1111 mount on flatbed truck'
1507793;1469078295;ben_vulpes;naught but the economic pressures that drive laptop producers to make their wares with the fewest number of atoms possible to satisfy the cowsies.
1507794;1469078320;ben_vulpes;because shitboxen and not workstations!
1507795;1469078340;ben_vulpes;lithium ion laptop battery! eight hours of battery life, predicated on your only draining it twice!
1507796;1469078438;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507681 << wake me up when somebody without a speechwriter / ghostwriter runs.
1507797;1469078438;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 03:12 pete_dushenski: https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/MeredithStatement.pdf << you can't resign from usg.trump just because you're illiterate and didn't do your job (resignation letter from speechwriterlady who not-so-lightly lifted bits from usg.michelle and gave them to usg.melania)
1507798;1469078446;asciilifeform;for even city dogcatcher.
1507799;1469078481;asciilifeform;srsly when 'speechwriter' became a thing, it was already high time to say 'enough'
1507800;1469078505;ben_vulpes;this was i think before you were born.
1507801;1469078527;asciilifeform;before fdr even.
1507802;1469078615;ben_vulpes;subject of fdr, yarvin is peddling epubs of moldbuggery on the 'kindle store'
1507803;1469078659;asciilifeform;lulzy, moldbuggery blogspot has pdf (?) vers of it all fer phree
1507804;1469078671;ben_vulpes;go, read on kindle
1507805;1469078679;ben_vulpes;or any other e-ink thinger
1507806;1469078679;asciilifeform;i think this is largely a begging cup
1507807;1469078691;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i had them loaded there for years.
1507808;1469078693;ben_vulpes;do not underestimate the laziness of americans.
1507809;1469078704;asciilifeform;whole set.
1507810;1469078716;ben_vulpes;the pdf or hand-wgot set?
1507811;1469078723;asciilifeform;pdf
1507812;1469078734;ben_vulpes;nowai!
1507813;1469078738;asciilifeform;some rando collected it
1507814;1469078738;ben_vulpes;they fit legibly?
1507815;1469078743;asciilifeform;aha
1507816;1469078746;ben_vulpes;gracious
1507817;1469078748;ben_vulpes;how surprising
1507818;1469078777;asciilifeform;well trick is to use 'dx' or other machine with reasonably a4-like screen
1507819;1469078817;ben_vulpes;aha.
1507820;1469078822;asciilifeform;(if you like epaper, get 'dx' before it is entirely extinct)
1507821;1469078825;ben_vulpes;i've wanted one of those for a while.
1507822;1469078853;ben_vulpes;200 usd lol
1507823;1469078864;asciilifeform;was 500 new
1507824;1469078874;asciilifeform;whatever
1507825;1469078895;ben_vulpes;800 'new in box' on ebay
1507826;1469078900;asciilifeform;lel
1507827;1469078917;asciilifeform;it went out of print. permanently.
1507828;1469078923;ben_vulpes;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kindle-DX-Free-3G-9-7-E-Ink-Display-/371688173634?hash=item568a577042:g:KjUAAOSw0fhXjouV
1507829;1469078925;ben_vulpes;noshit
1507830;1469078929;asciilifeform;now they only make the 'fits in purse' shits.
1507831;1469079072;ben_vulpes;i have one of the v2s, iirc. fits in back pocket of ~all jeans.
1507832;1469079082;ben_vulpes;i have *sat* on the thing to *zero* effect.
1507833;1469079096;ben_vulpes;this was back when i considered it disposable and not a treasure, mind you.
1507834;1469079122;asciilifeform;quite useless for nonreflowing b00kz.
1507835;1469079181;ben_vulpes;i did not begin to collect those until quite recently.
1507836;1469079579;ben_vulpes;http://theindependent.sg/smrt-secretly-shipping-35-prc-made-trains-back-to-china-for-repairs/ << i don't even
1507837;1469080060;pete_dushenski;http://theindependent.sg/minister-shanmugam-shames-his-resident-online/ << more from same rag. singapore win, or why small states cap effectively cap out ~7mn denizens.
1507838;1469093691;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/15Yj
1507839;1469093692;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1507840;1469094894;thestringpuller;wow buterin underestimated the ethclassic community
1507841;1469094906;thestringpuller;they are willing to ride or die. that's actually kind of refreshing
1507842;1469095495;shinohai;how cute
1507843;1469104057;Framedragger;shinohai: re qntra on KAT, wasn't it authorities in poland, not ukraine?
1507844;1469104102;Framedragger;"On Wednesday, law enforcement in Poland arrested the alleged owner of the site, 30 year-old Artem Vaulin of Ukraine."
1507845;1469104102;shinohai;Yes I meant to start the sentence with "Polish" to clarify that.
1507846;1469104130;Framedragger;(so just to be clear it's not ukrainian prosecutors)
1507847;1469104194;shinohai;yes i need tohave BingoBoingo change that if he will thanx
1507848;1469104218;shinohai;But he will end up in US, in usascwitz prison
1507849;1469104254;Framedragger;agree, no real diff, `postsoviet block -> usa` streamlined process yay
1507850;1469106281;shinohai;http://archive.is/TeyV5   <<< lulzy
1507851;1469106564;thestringpuller;So the kickass torrent raid was partially made possible by Coinbase?
1507852;1469108670;phf;http://www.macrumors.com/2016/07/21/apple-helped-identify-kickasstorrents-owner/
1507853;1469108685;phf;"The key piece of evidence that led authorities to Vaulin appeared to come when Apple handed over his personal details after investigators matched an IP address used to log in to the KAT Facebook page with one linked to an iTunes purchase."
1507854;1469108705;phf;well, more specifically  "Records provided by Apple showed that tirm@me.com conducted an iTunes transaction using IP Address 109.86.226.203 on or about July 31, 2015. The same IP Address was used on the same day to login into the KAT Facebook."
1507855;1469109082;asciilifeform;lulzy. Use Moar Arsebook, Buy Moar Payware
1507856;1469109101;asciilifeform;srsly 13333333337 w4r3z meister BUYING itunes crapolade ??!
1507857;1469109316;phf;you understimate the amount of fun those little devices provide :> ukranian guy in poland raking estimated 16 mil in ad revenue, i'm sure he had bitches and bling, rather than you know live in a safe bunker and infosec all day
1507858;1469109401;phf;but just a reminder, he violated 5th crack commandment "never sell no crack where you rest at" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85YIezL8Q9A
1507859;1469109561;mircea_popescu;you know, from my personal experience this "estimated" is exactly like "silk road did an estimated billion dollar drug trade".
1507860;1469109577;mircea_popescu;i have personally chased the "Estimated ad revenue" of such people, for years. it never came through.
1507861;1469109617;mircea_popescu;this is no actual proof, of course, "somewhere in the sky there may be". but from 100s of actually checked cases, every one turned to be an outright lie.
1507862;1469109660;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl, silk road can't dispose of a kg of coke for 3 weeks over xmas ; and the "ad revenue guy" can't pay for his coffee.
1507863;1469109709;phf;or to quote The Guard "street value. you boys always go on about street value. i don't know which street you buying your coke at, because it's not the same street i'm buying my coke at"
1507864;1469109772;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i_XfgdNUUk
1507865;1469109814;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/bani-pe-blog/ << echoes of that same research made it even to trilema.
1507866;1469109852;mircea_popescu;there's actually a lot of valuable data re eeuropean "advertising market" there as a result of me running a large intel project on the topic at the time.
1507867;1469110007;mircea_popescu;but no need to reference my materia obscura. take gigaom. on the basis of "internet knowledge" would you have said he certainly makes "more from ads than ukr polish guy" ? yes. did he ? no. turns out he made less from advertising than freelaqncer makes from fixing python code.
1507868;1469110023;mircea_popescu;take gawker. really, "billion pageviews a year" ? where is it ?
1507869;1469110045;mircea_popescu;qntra made more than gawker at any point of their respective existence.
1507870;1469110345;thestringpuller;making moey off page views is so 1998
1507871;1469110369;phf;we had a thread about advertisement i think copule of times
1507872;1469110653;phf;irs claims that he was selling direct, so i don't know how that translates into money at all, it's probably all fixed bid. if he was doing google now and they didn't immediately kick him off the network, etc. he'd probably be pulling more than 5k but of course not "16mil", which is not enough to pay entire gawker staff, but enough to cover his server costs, etc.
1507873;1469111616;thestringpuller;i hate apache so much
1507874;1469112564;mircea_popescu;and if he weren't and instead did http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ he'd be pulling more. which isn't to say 16mn either, but the problem with "advertising" is that it being all fraud, the logical move is to buy the cheaper fortune teller, which is NEVER going to be "publisher".
1507875;1469112798;mircea_popescu;"clicked traffic" as the thing is called in the [porn] biz being about 500k to the bitcoin last i looked, sometime last year. meaning the entire yearly value of the global "online advertising" market is equivalent to a few bitcoin blocks, meaning in turn that a choice to occupy yourself with that thing is equivalent to a deliberate choice not to matter. nttawwt.
1507876;1469114176;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507789 << possibly because you never design computer in whole life. you look at fine desktop, think it need crazy shit stick on all sides of unit. you have disease of american capitalist, change thing that is fine for no reason except to look different from comrade. you put cheap rubber of chinese slave factory in keyboard, you put bad crt of mexican drug empire on other side, you put propel
1507877;1469114176;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 05:17 ben_vulpes: and all on a 6-axis arm with other 6-axis arms mounted on a ball that follows me around positioning the monitor and kb just perfectly ergonomically.
1507878;1469114176;mircea_popescu;ler on hat so are like american cartoon guy dexter boy genius. maybe you put sex dildo on bottom to fuck wife with, as explains oglaf here :  http://oglaf.com/obituator/
1507879;1469114245;*;asciilifeform just enthroned the 'model f', 0-rubber gigantic keyboard, 4kg or so of mainly steel, that he's been restoring slowly since april
1507880;1469114289;asciilifeform;http://sandy55.fc2web.com/keyboard/6110344/front_1v.jpg << this type.
1507881;1469114334;asciilifeform;also, bonus, emits ~0 rf.
1507882;1469114345;mircea_popescu;no ?
1507883;1469114360;asciilifeform;(there are no electrical switches in the thing. you can actually take a piss in it and it'll work.)
1507884;1469114401;mircea_popescu;i thought it was capacitive ?
1507885;1469114404;asciilifeform;for good measure i coated the plastic (only the top surface is plastic, the rest - 3mm steel, 3 layers thereof) in thick nickel paint
1507886;1469114423;asciilifeform;it is capacitative. but operates on ~variations~ in capacitance.
1507887;1469114429;mircea_popescu;so if you piss in it...
1507888;1469114459;asciilifeform;when piss leaks out the bottom, it will equilibrate and continue working.
1507889;1469114471;mircea_popescu;ahahaha ok
1507890;1469114564;asciilifeform;https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/animation-final-black-2.gif
1507891;1469114567;asciilifeform;^ actuator.
1507892;1469114610;asciilifeform;all of the parts (piston, which is a standard 'model m' key), spring (standard model m spring, still made), cylinder (removable individually) and flapper (ditto) are standalone
1507893;1469114641;asciilifeform;they were originally rated for 20 million cycles each at minimum.
1507894;1469114652;asciilifeform;afaik there is no known case of even 1 wearing out.
1507895;1469114696;asciilifeform;if anyone wants one of these things, you can wait a decade for it to show up on 'ebay' or the like, as i did, or you can get the modern reproduction, that someone actually makes, but be aware that it is a castrato (66 key) thing.
1507896;1469114700;asciilifeform;the original has 122.
1507897;1469114709;*;asciilifeform bbl, meat
1507898;1469114969;mircea_popescu;"in america is type from arsenal of name arsenal. is funny name to me. is like american cheese of name american cheese." ahh this guy is fucking epic.
1507899;1469115045;phf;oh i didn't realize there was a whole series of these
1507900;1469115055;mircea_popescu;oya.
1507901;1469115128;mircea_popescu;btw asciilifeform : above, I TYPED!!11, by hand, the whole fucking lengthy thing.
1507902;1469115140;mircea_popescu;i did this gladly, and i consider myself well gained from the exercise.
1507903;1469115152;mircea_popescu;there's worse things i could be doing with my time than handcopying teh masters.
1507904;1469115246;phf;asciilifeform: there seems to be a significant lack of modifier keys
1507905;1469115321;phf;the extra row of function keys looks nice though
1507906;1469115351;mircea_popescu;i will confess i almost never use the fs and rarely if at all the modifiers.
1507907;1469115358;mircea_popescu;i suppose this makes me bad conscript.
1507908;1469115406;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507876 << haw haw haw but so kidding
1507909;1469115406;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 15:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507789 << possibly because you never design computer in whole life. you look at fine desktop, think it need crazy shit stick on all sides of unit. you have disease of american capitalist, change thing that is fine for no reason except to look different from comrade. you put cheap rubber of chinese slave factory in keyboard, you put bad crt of mexican drug empire on other si
1507910;1469115410;phf;that is probably why your hands are still on excellent shape :>
1507911;1469115443;mircea_popescu;phf most people who spent as much as i have with computers a) wear glasses b) have various complicated nerve and tendon damage, esp wrist, elbow etc.
1507912;1469115450;mircea_popescu;i'm fine. i credit my literacy for both!
1507913;1469116279;phf;you also rely on very deliberate, minimal tooling. i could for example use nano to write short python scripts, but i need intellij to wrestle with large codebases, and "professional" programmer tools have notoriously bad ergonomics. emacs is notorious for giving its users rsi, etc. but i agree, it can all be remedied with literacy
1507914;1469116283;phf;i think naggum had a quote about it
1507915;1469116346;phf;" Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test.  Do you remap
1507916;1469116346;phf;  your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it
1507917;1469116346;phf;  comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands?  If you do not
1507918;1469116346;phf;  do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have
1507919;1469116350;phf;  the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.
1507920;1469116353;phf; 
1507921;1469116576;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507799 << you know what THEIR explanation for the speechwriter is, yes ?
1507922;1469116576;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 05:21 asciilifeform: srsly when 'speechwriter' became a thing, it was already high time to say 'enough'
1507923;1469116600;mircea_popescu;phf that final blank line really makes it :D
1507924;1469116643;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507921 << nfi
1507925;1469116643;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 15:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507799 << you know what THEIR explanation for the speechwriter is, yes ?
1507926;1469116657;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507915 << see l0gz, we had thread wholly about naggum's kbd
1507927;1469116657;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 15:52 phf: " Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test.  Do you remap
1507928;1469116684;mircea_popescu;but in fairness, i would say i rely on a very specific sort of literacy. i have people do things for me! you lot, all of you, are the modern equivalent of a barony that is neverthelss being run by the ox-baron personally, by hand. because in the future we have this strange species of ox-man that "can". of sorts, really, only 80% of the can, but hey, who cares about broken fingers and other appednages as a result. HEAR THE OXM
1507929;1469116685;mircea_popescu;AN CAN!!11
1507930;1469116693;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507904 << understand, ALL of the original driver electronics were removed, controller is mine, any key can be whatever i like. i have the middle of the arrows as a meta.
1507931;1469116693;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 15:34 phf: asciilifeform: there seems to be a significant lack of modifier keys
1507932;1469116753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but not because you don't know. you're intelligent enough to know, and by rights should know. it's just that the stupid overrider in your brain overrides the brain. it's like so : "we need the speechwriters and ghostwriters to translate our symbols into the plaintext of they without proper huffman tables"
1507933;1469116761;mircea_popescu;what do you say to that, ye master of naivite!
1507934;1469116791;asciilifeform;what i do know is that actual people who lived in the actual-people-age did no such thing.
1507935;1469116806;mircea_popescu;because.they.were.literate.
1507936;1469116809;asciilifeform;aha
1507937;1469116815;mircea_popescu;which means a thing, specific and apparently unknown today.
1507938;1469116839;mircea_popescu;and they also became literate through a means, also specific and also apparently "unknown" today, in the "nfi" sense of "unknown" above.
1507939;1469116847;mircea_popescu;that method is "write the fucking thing out", aka "paint the snow"
1507940;1469116848;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507911 << fwiw i destroyed my eyes with b00kz, the old-fashioned way, before i got to spend any serious time with machinery
1507941;1469116848;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 15:37 mircea_popescu: phf most people who spent as much as i have with computers a) wear glasses b) have various complicated nerve and tendon damage, esp wrist, elbow etc.
1507942;1469116863;mircea_popescu;there is also that yeah.
1507943;1469116878;asciilifeform;but to this day i have no weird nerve or carpal or whateverthefucks, because, perhaps, i am not a monkey, and do not bang the keyboard all day long
1507944;1469116891;asciilifeform;0 to do with how the keys are arranged.
1507945;1469116906;mircea_popescu;yes, you do. you and me both, we've been pumping out 50k+ lines a year for years now right here.
1507946;1469116916;mircea_popescu;that's more than a writer writes, were it the good sort that actually does write.
1507947;1469116919;asciilifeform;very low duty cycle tho
1507948;1469116920;asciilifeform;srsly
1507949;1469116932;asciilifeform;set up yer box to actually count the strokes, it is not so hard
1507950;1469116950;mircea_popescu;aha. because you're copying me rather than copying the idiots with their "programmer's claw" in doing it. if you wrote 50k lines of code a year you'd have it too.
1507951;1469116985;mircea_popescu;"meta-alt-fuckyourmother" ? really ? i am not pushing that!
1507952;1469116991;mircea_popescu;"but the symbols!"
1507953;1469116993;mircea_popescu;fuck 'em.
1507954;1469117008;asciilifeform;notice, i like programmablekeys.
1507955;1469117034;mircea_popescu;sure, and every other palleative conceivable, outside of the correct "if it doesn't fit in 27 it needn't be said."
1507956;1469117123;asciilifeform;dun forget, i do things with the box other than talking.
1507957;1469117127;asciilifeform;on occasion...
1507958;1469117146;mircea_popescu;sin and vanity!
1507959;1469117317;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/modelf.jpg << my current layout.
1507960;1469117379;asciilifeform;the weird 'lock' key is a ctrl. (i was unable to source a correctly-shaped cntrl to go there, and did not feel like sweating over it at any rate)
1507961;1469117485;phf;yeah, i see you replaced ctrl and alt keys from elsewhere (and a bunch of others obviously)
1507962;1469117495;asciilifeform;the ~sound~ of this thing is difficult to describe, every key is quite satisfing 'schpling', like dry-firing kalash
1507963;1469117503;asciilifeform;quite unlike the more common 'm'
1507964;1469117535;asciilifeform;phf: aha, i killed an 'm' for many of them
1507965;1469117780;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507898 << this was a thing of beauty but i lost the link...
1507966;1469117780;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 15:29 mircea_popescu: "in america is type from arsenal of name arsenal. is funny name to me. is like american cheese of name american cheese." ahh this guy is fucking epic.
1507967;1469117782;asciilifeform;anyone has ?
1507968;1469118119;phf;i'm reading http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/ivan-chesnokov.php
1507969;1469118945;asciilifeform;there! it is.
1507970;1469118947;asciilifeform;ty phf .
1507971;1469119041;asciilifeform;l0l plastic sks
1507972;1469119164;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://cryptome.org/2016/07/steal-billion.pdf ( http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/65d50596-716e-4090-a86b-86785a92aaa4 )
1507973;1469119231;asciilifeform;'At approximately 3:14 p.m., Deutsche Bank transmitted to RBS Coutts a SWIFT payment order requesting that $700 million be credited to an account at RBS Coutts. The SWIFT message did not identify the owner of the RBS Coutts account, but the account number listed on the SWIFT as the recipient of the $700 million wire transfer was the number of the Good Star Account.'
1507974;1469119263;asciilifeform;brain-melting.
1507975;1469119329;mats;https://theintercept.com/2016/07/21/edward-snowdens-new-research-aims-to-keep-smartphones-from-betraying-their-owners bunnie and snowden collaborate
1507976;1469119404;asciilifeform;'the goal of Snowden and Huang’s research, according to their post, is to “provide field-ready tools that enable a reporter to observe and investigate the status of the phone’s radios directly and independently of the phone’s native hardware.” In other words, they want to build an entirely separate tiny computer that users can attach to a smartphone to alert them if it’s being dishonest about its radio emissions.' << and
1507977;1469119405;asciilifeform;this will work with phone-home-to-crapple-updatebox how ?
1507978;1469119417;asciilifeform;'your phone just downloaded a 200MB turd'
1507979;1469119433;mats;i don't see how this could be workable either
1507980;1469119462;asciilifeform;it isn't a wholly idiotic idea when applied to something you actually think you have a grasp of (e.g., the packets going into and out of your battlestation)
1507981;1469119470;asciilifeform;and in fact practiced by pretty much every literate person
1507982;1469119477;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu had an essay re same )
1507983;1469119503;asciilifeform;but for closed brick that eats and shits 100s of MB of ??? every day, quite useless.
1507984;1469119555;asciilifeform;gotta love the tunnel-visioned elaborate crapolade these folks offer instead of very basic sanities
1507985;1469119577;asciilifeform;let's encrypt the space inside our nostrils with free ssl certs!111
1507986;1469119589;asciilifeform;alert if my toilet is flushing without authorization.
1507987;1469119590;asciilifeform;etc
1507988;1469119609;mats;i dun understand how this'd prevent exfil when the user eventually turns on the radio to use it
1507989;1469119627;mats;am i missing something or what
1507990;1469119640;asciilifeform;mats: we are dealing with a psychiatric, not technical, artifact.
1507991;1469119655;asciilifeform;like a hand-crafted napoleon bicorn lovingly stitched from asylum bedsheets
1507992;1469119713;asciilifeform;relatedly, 'SURE, IS ONLY YUGOSLAV COPY TYPE BUT IS STILL PROUD DESIGN OF SERGEI SIMONOV. THIS IS LIKE SENDING HIM BIRTHDAY CARD WITH SEVERED OFF THUMB OF DAUGHTER IN ENVELOPE. "HAPPY BIRTHDAY SERGEI! I PISS ON ALL YOU CREATE!" LARGE MOUND FORMS OVER SIMONOV'S GRAVE BY CONSTANT TUMBLING OF HIS ANGRY CORPSE. IS FAULT OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU. '
1507993;1469119978;asciilifeform;'YOU NOTICE AND AVOID BARREL IF HAS POCKMARKS LIKE ASS OF FAT GIRL.'
1507994;1469119989;asciilifeform;gold.
1507995;1469120074;mats;lol what
1507996;1469120088;asciilifeform;mats: phf link earlier
1507997;1469120091;asciilifeform;classic lultron
1507998;1469121781;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1507975 << "when management with a reputation for brilliance tackles a business with a reputation for bad economics, it is the reputation of the business that remains intact."
1507999;1469121781;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 16:42 mats: https://theintercept.com/2016/07/21/edward-snowdens-new-research-aims-to-keep-smartphones-from-betraying-their-owners bunnie and snowden collaborate
1508000;1469122123;mircea_popescu;"AK-47: Crude and inaccurate bullet thrower designed by and for illiterate peasants.  Chambered in a caliber that manages to cut the ballistics of a proper .30-caliber battle rifle in half without passing on any weight savings to the grunt.  Ergonomics only suitable for Russian midgets.  Archaic cable trigger spring, crummy sights, no sight radius to speak of, no bolt hold-open device, and a clumsy safety.  Favorite infantry
1508001;1469122126;mircea_popescu;rifle of Middle Eastern goat herders, guys named Abdullah, and backwoods militia types who like the fact that it shoots cheap ammo and has ballistics like their familiar .30-30." <<< amusingly, these are actually quite good points.
1508002;1469122237;ben_vulpes;dude when did bunnie go full retard
1508003;1469122260;mircea_popescu;some point between now and whenever decided not to join tmsr ?
1508004;1469122292;ben_vulpes;"current tastes and preferences of reporters"
1508005;1469122307;ben_vulpes;bitch you will buy a three hundred dollar ancient craptop from the bazaar and learn2gpg
1508006;1469122333;mircea_popescu;first, i will crack all your fingers in the piano. THEN you MAY be allowed to buy ancient laptop and learn to gpg, MAYBE.
1508007;1469122349;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508002 << when he decided to become a reddit celebrity ?
1508008;1469122349;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 17:30 ben_vulpes: dude when did bunnie go full retard
1508009;1469122354;mircea_popescu;all this focus on the wrong sort of ergonomics.
1508010;1469122366;asciilifeform;or an mit darling?
1508011;1469122369;asciilifeform;or, or.
1508012;1469122370;mircea_popescu;there is NOTHING WRONG with tool killing SOME OF the lusers. wrong is when the tool hurts the lusers it didn't kill.
1508013;1469122430;ben_vulpes;"but i can't let go of the ipnohe, it's got my email and facebookz!"
1508014;1469122445;mircea_popescu;"your job is called being a whore, forget the journacrap"
1508015;1469122447;ben_vulpes;are you seriously going to drag a player piano out the airplane when jumping behind enemy lines
1508016;1469122461;asciilifeform;and wtf, first time i hear the complaint about the spring
1508017;1469122465;asciilifeform;srsly wat
1508018;1469122472;mircea_popescu;well part of derp's problem is that to her stupid head there exists no enemies
1508019;1469122565;asciilifeform;aaand no bold holdopen for same reason phuctor has no api.
1508020;1469122572;asciilifeform;*bolt
1508021;1469122598;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a lot of the guy's complaints are in the direction of "this is too heavy too hard too etc" reminiscent of "beautiful one tries to go to war"
1508022;1469122631;asciilifeform;phun phakt: for every conceivable heresy re kalash, american 'ricers' will happily sell you an aftermarket kit , to idiotate to yer heart's delight
1508023;1469122673;asciilifeform;from weird spring, to titanium (brittle!) firing pin, to iphoniferous sight running ios
1508024;1469122698;mircea_popescu;amusingly i've yet to meet someone who could use sights correctly.
1508025;1469122704;asciilifeform;'devil finds work for idle hands'
1508026;1469122711;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwut
1508027;1469122720;mircea_popescu;(no, it's not that you can do it ONCE, after prepping for 10 minutes. it is that you do it every time in .6 seconds. that's correctly. it'\s a fucking rifle.)
1508028;1469122731;asciilifeform;well yes?
1508029;1469122748;mircea_popescu;"no need cuz i has scope see"
1508030;1469122756;asciilifeform;what scope on kalash
1508031;1469122763;mircea_popescu;you've not been keeping up.
1508032;1469122767;asciilifeform;it is not a sniper weapon
1508033;1469122787;mircea_popescu;they even make 2.5x scopes. "soo... what's this do ?" "IT SCOPES!!!1"
1508034;1469122823;asciilifeform;i could even see an argument for, e.g., laser, if there were any place to put it
1508035;1469122832;mircea_popescu;i couldn't.
1508036;1469122842;mircea_popescu;"my rifle doesn't work in the fog" "oh you're one of those, are you"
1508037;1469122874;asciilifeform;from pov of 'risk homeostasis' it is bad idea, yes.
1508038;1469122881;mircea_popescu;anyway, go watch people use their sighted item, score them for corectness, be amazed.
1508039;1469122906;asciilifeform;because psychology: result is never 'normal rifle but even +9999 accuracy on a clear day'
1508040;1469122918;asciilifeform;but instead 'sarge, too much fog, i cant shoot'
1508041;1469122925;mircea_popescu;fucking training sargents don't pass. then people wonder why it takes 3mn rounds/kill. 99% it's not the fucking hardware
1508042;1469122961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: unfair stat, it is disingenuous to count suppressive fire in the total 'to kill'
1508043;1469122968;mircea_popescu;o it is ?
1508044;1469122993;asciilifeform;well yes, if yer firing to keep enemy pinned so you can shell him properly
1508045;1469123023;mircea_popescu;guess what, it's unfair to count http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-21#1379603 "defensive allocation" into the heap!
1508046;1469123023;a111;Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
1508047;1469123033;mircea_popescu;why the fuck not, let's redefine a cultural notion of fairness unbased on reality.
1508048;1469123050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is a '1shot1kill' sort of fella , i get it
1508049;1469123061;mircea_popescu;no, i'm not. but if you fire the round you've fired the round.
1508050;1469123074;mircea_popescu;there's no "i fired it but it dun count because isis and shiva"
1508051;1469123114;asciilifeform;suppressive fire is how we even got these cheap 'inaccurate bullet tossers' to begin with.
1508052;1469123125;mircea_popescu;worst fucking habit of grunts, that even half-competent trainer is permanently at war with, is "fire when out of ideas".
1508053;1469123129;asciilifeform;if you dun believe in suppressivefire, the correct rifle is a mosin.
1508054;1469123134;mircea_popescu;also how units fail to achieve veteran status.,
1508055;1469123243;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's suppressive fire directed at pinning down the enemy ; and then there's suppressive fire directed at silencing that little voice in own head going "you're such a fucking idiot..."
1508056;1469123257;asciilifeform;this is curable.
1508057;1469123265;asciilifeform;hunchback-style.
1508058;1469123282;asciilifeform;idiot runs out of ammo and dies.
1508059;1469123359;mircea_popescu;hence "units that don't make it to veteran status"
1508060;1469123369;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508006 << is this a reference? i should much like to know where
1508061;1469123369;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 17:32 mircea_popescu: first, i will crack all your fingers in the piano. THEN you MAY be allowed to buy ancient laptop and learn to gpg, MAYBE.
1508062;1469123375;asciilifeform;it sounds delicious
1508063;1469123380;mircea_popescu;i just came up with it.
1508064;1469123384;asciilifeform;ah
1508065;1469123485;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508021 << go to a gallery sometime and pick up m16, it feels cheap, light, like a toy
1508066;1469123485;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 17:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lot of the guy's complaints are in the direction of "this is too heavy too hard too etc" reminiscent of "beautiful one tries to go to war"
1508067;1469123519;asciilifeform;even american grunts in vietnam made wisecracks about 'you can tell, it's Mattell'
1508068;1469123524;mircea_popescu;lol
1508069;1469123530;asciilifeform;(large toy maker at the time)
1508070;1469123550;mircea_popescu;barbie, rite ?
1508071;1469123558;asciilifeform;aha
1508072;1469123566;asciilifeform;but also toy soldiers
1508073;1469123572;asciilifeform;hence the rhyme
1508074;1469123623;asciilifeform;but IT HAS GOOD API!1111
1508075;1469123654;asciilifeform;(quite seriously, whole thing is covered in rack to which can Hang Shit Off)
1508076;1469123673;asciilifeform;all but the barrel
1508077;1469123734;mircea_popescu;skulls of enemy ?
1508078;1469123743;shinohai;$s http://archive.is/jbjvv
1508079;1469123744;a111;1 results for "http://archive.is/jbjvv", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Farchive.is%2Fjbjvv
1508080;1469124168;asciilifeform;shinohai: lulzy
1508081;1469124203;asciilifeform;to what addr would they move it? the unknown one, engraved inside his eyelid?
1508082;1469124275;asciilifeform;yes, this is supposed to be a tr0l0l, but still poorly thought through.
1508083;1469124318;mats;what is hard about zeroing a scope?!
1508084;1469124370;asciilifeform;mats: that scope makes 0 sense on a weapon designed for use at musketry range ?
1508085;1469124416;mats;scope is great for close quarters combat you know
1508086;1469124438;mats;dun need to put your chin to align dot to chest
1508087;1469124439;asciilifeform;mats has a pair of eyes in his groin ?
1508088;1469124446;mats;there are different kinds of scope
1508089;1469124472;asciilifeform;with the exception of laser, they all require eyes to be approx level with the glass, neh?
1508090;1469124480;mats;no
1508091;1469124505;asciilifeform;link to example ?
1508092;1469124567;asciilifeform;show me scope that helps in, e.g., this position, http://xn----7sbfkccucpkracijq8iofobm.xn--p1ai/images/stories/nauka/sniper/sniper-izgotovka-k-strelbe-navskidku-6.jpg
1508093;1469124592;asciilifeform;or, better yet, http://www.nastavleniya.ru/AKM/akm/akm50.jpg
1508094;1469124640;mats;I forget if it's the acog or eotech
1508095;1469124663;asciilifeform;eotech makes a thing that comes with eyes you can implant in your ballsack ?
1508096;1469124663;asciilifeform;or wat
1508097;1469124681;asciilifeform;it wasn't in the catalogue i read...
1508098;1469124701;mats;there is more than one rifle ready position
1508099;1469124719;asciilifeform;sure
1508100;1469124735;mats;I was trained to use low ready when breaching, it's close enough to align dot against enemy two meters away
1508101;1469124755;asciilifeform;this is what, barrel at chest level ?
1508102;1469124765;*;asciilifeform can picture it.
1508103;1469124803;mats;http://www.tactical.dk/images/lowready.jpg
1508104;1469124805;asciilifeform;mats: i always wondered, what keeps the mirrors, prisms, etc in that $700 box from whanging out of alignment after 1000 shots
1508105;1469124950;mats;no idea
1508106;1469124995;mats;I got an acog and it was garbage
1508107;1469125014;asciilifeform;what do they actually issue ?
1508108;1469125019;asciilifeform;or does each grunt buy whatever
1508109;1469125044;mats;unit dependent, if they're with a unit that has resources they usually go for eotechs afaik
1508110;1469125114;mats;nah it has nsn, supply sgt orders them
1508111;1469127367;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would expect "mommentum allignment". ie, engineer the parts so that sudden acceleration moves them all equally.
1508112;1469127417;mircea_popescu;much like temperature range mechanical resistance is obtained through "thermic allignment" ie, put items that dilate/contract same together.
1508113;1469127709;asciilifeform;that this is the abstract 'how' - yes. but achieved ?
1508114;1469127751;asciilifeform;and how much sense does it make to gild this lily for infantryman (vs sniper) ?
1508115;1469128117;mircea_popescu;"ceramics"!
1508116;1469128195;asciilifeform;psychoceramics.
1508117;1469128276;mircea_popescu;lol
1508118;1469128303;mircea_popescu;no but seriously, i expect polished leaded glass encased in composite material of same density.
1508119;1469128359;asciilifeform;thing is, it is not only about inertia, but also shock wave
1508120;1469128386;asciilifeform;unless you can also conjure up materials with ~same speed of sound~, there will be refraction
1508121;1469128390;asciilifeform;and tearing
1508122;1469128464;mircea_popescu;conjure, conjure.
1508123;1469129105;asciilifeform;in other lulz, apparently folx do occasionally read asciilifeform's site, http://gematom.blogspot.kr/2016/01/nsa-godsurgefluxbabbitt.html
1508124;1469129117;asciilifeform;^ spoiler: he never found one
1508125;1469129121;asciilifeform;but tried.
1508126;1469129198;asciilifeform;^ one useful find, he turned up some boxes where the connector is on ~under~ side of mb, and difficult to inspect
1508127;1469129473;asciilifeform;fella claims to be ~66 y.o., which makes him my oldest (known) reader.
1508128;1469129491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for all the jacking off and cumbiscuit eating, that thing is just a stupid "oh, jtags, can you make a windows program that keeps flashing them ???"
1508129;1469129500;mircea_popescu;about 1.5/10 on the scale of things.
1508130;1469129567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno, not what jtag is for
1508131;1469129587;asciilifeform;it gets you start/stop cpu and arbitrary bus cycles
1508132;1469129606;asciilifeform;y'know, factory test plug.
1508133;1469129612;mircea_popescu;yes. deliberately. this is as much an "exploit" as stealing electricity from the pole is "fighting the man".
1508134;1469129616;mircea_popescu;ghetto level nigger bs.
1508135;1469129619;asciilifeform;what to ~do~ with it, is up to the user's imagination !
1508136;1469129638;asciilifeform;it isn't 'exploit', that was idiot media spin, it is simply a handy place to plant a widget.
1508137;1469129671;asciilifeform;(and its existence was, apparently, quite surprising to the monkeys, who never once gave a thought to subj of how mb is tested at factory)
1508138;1469129749;asciilifeform;at any rate, and as i wrote long ago, imho soldered-in 'bugs' are quite obsolete - there is built-in hole in ~everything made for eons now.
1508139;1469129755;mircea_popescu;pretty fucking distant from the "magical computing owning rays" the meta-nsa afficionados keep pretending.
1508140;1469129777;asciilifeform;(and in what there is not, can be replaced in the post for a physically-indistinguishable version that does)
1508141;1469129869;asciilifeform;incidentally, ~every piece of silicon on the board has a debug port of some form, the cpu jtag thing is simply the handiest one, and the closest to being in some form documented.
1508142;1469129882;asciilifeform;(southbridge, for instance, has - own. gpu - own. etc)
1508143;1469129882;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1508144;1469129902;mircea_popescu;basically, the "remove symbols table" tech hasn't reached hardware.
1508145;1469129939;asciilifeform;it would not be so hard to implement, just put antifuse link in the relevant circuit
1508146;1469129942;asciilifeform;done testing ? blow.
1508147;1469129957;mircea_popescu;or just take the whole thing out for production.
1508148;1469129965;asciilifeform;problem is that , as with nearly every aspect of vlsi, the described function is ~promise~ not protocol.
1508149;1469129974;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mno, you cannot take it out. because then cannot test the unit.
1508150;1469129986;mircea_popescu;test the design ; produce units.
1508151;1469129995;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as % yield.
1508152;1469130003;mircea_popescu;there is such a thing as replacement policy.
1508153;1469130005;deedbot;[Qntra] HSBC Executive Arrested For Inside Trading - http://qntra.net/2016/07/hsbc-executive-arrested-for-inside-trading/
1508154;1469130005;asciilifeform;if you dun test the chipz before soldering'em down, you go broke.
1508155;1469130025;ben_vulpes;moreover there is quality binning to be done.
1508156;1469130026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you USED TO go broke. in you know, 1976.
1508157;1469130033;asciilifeform;you go broke today
1508158;1469130033;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes aha. bs.
1508159;1469130035;asciilifeform;and 100 yrs from now.
1508160;1469130041;asciilifeform;when you solder 1 dud to 99 working components you paid for.
1508161;1469130046;asciilifeform;on same board.
1508162;1469130051;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform don't make me package your 100 years from now separately.
1508163;1469130056;asciilifeform;lel
1508164;1469130079;asciilifeform;fact is, you dun test ~everything~ that can be tested before it costs you perfectly working and costly rest-of-the-box, you go broke.
1508165;1469130098;asciilifeform;but there is such a thing as antifuse.
1508166;1469130105;asciilifeform;can make 'we tested, we're done nao.'
1508167;1469130108;asciilifeform;afaik no one does.
1508168;1469130203;mircea_popescu;wouldja stop clinking to the supid idea ? antifuse my arse.
1508169;1469130210;mircea_popescu;do.not.put.item.in.
1508170;1469130251;asciilifeform;i will listen to this nonsense after mircea_popescu has a plane built according to this philosophy and flies in it.
1508171;1469130266;asciilifeform;let's test whole thing!1111
1508172;1469130268;asciilifeform;why test parts!
1508173;1469130275;mircea_popescu;if that's when you listen, the fact that you listen or don't listen no longer matters.
1508174;1469130331;asciilifeform;it is nonsense, what can i say. and the folks who build machine this way, will come to grief.
1508175;1469130334;mircea_popescu;prototyping dongles don't belong in production item. full fucking stop and enough of the "oh but mah convenience" talk.
1508176;1469130344;mircea_popescu;the folks who don't will hang.
1508177;1469130404;asciilifeform;until silicon can be made piecewise, like a printer page, rather than photographically by the million copies, we are stuck with it. (and antifuse costs 0 and eliminates problem, so i have nfi what mircea_popescu is smoking)
1508178;1469130423;mircea_popescu;;;calc .999 ** 100
1508179;1469130423;gribble;0.904792147114
1508180;1469130425;deedbot;[Trilema] Tangerine - http://trilema.com/2016/tangerine/
1508181;1469130437;asciilifeform;thing is, computer rides on 'promise', not protocol, because there is no way of inspecting the dies.
1508182;1469130438;asciilifeform;none.
1508183;1469130447;asciilifeform;hence a method of printing one-offs MUST be discovered.
1508184;1469130455;mircea_popescu;if you have 100 components, you end up having to throw out so many motherboards of this fascinating imaginary type taking 100 chips that you increase price by 10%
1508185;1469130456;mircea_popescu;whopdedoo
1508186;1469130459;asciilifeform;until then, we are in a state of sin regardless of how.
1508187;1469130510;mircea_popescu;this isn't the fucking 70s to have single-nine chip process.
1508188;1469130519;asciilifeform;this is one of the reasons i wrote 'must have fpga, with quartz window'. you can inspect a ~regular~ geometric structure far more easily than any other kind
1508189;1469130532;asciilifeform;(can even use ~analogue~ optical comparator! ever seen one? they used to exist in machine shops.)
1508190;1469130587;asciilifeform;at any rate, until this, whether or not chip maker listens to mircea_popescu and omits test circuit or not, the buyer CANNOT verify
1508191;1469130597;*;mircea_popescu is smoking the "fuck you, you have no rights, engineer is not a person" blend, of the same exact make as seen in debate over "oh but proper V hurts mah self-importance of codrwriter"
1508192;1469130598;asciilifeform;that's the real boojum, and not only of this, but of all other questions re chip.
1508193;1469130667;mircea_popescu;sure. but while that is a practical problem, this is a mental bug.
1508194;1469130681;mircea_popescu;"oh, it is ok to leave tags on the clothes". no, it's not. fuck you.
1508195;1469130685;asciilifeform;it is 1920s and armies are interested in aviation! except for mircea_popescu's army. he instead ordered all conscripts who can't jump 10,000 metres in the air and stay up by flapping their wings, shot !
1508196;1469130690;asciilifeform;mega-airplane.
1508197;1469130695;asciilifeform;sometimes there are actual constraints...
1508198;1469130706;mircea_popescu;they woudn't dare.
1508199;1469130709;asciilifeform;aha!
1508200;1469130719;*;asciilifeform ~likes~ this approach. but it has limitations.
1508201;1469130720;mircea_popescu;you've seen the calculation of actual constraints above.
1508202;1469130735;mircea_popescu;if your chip process doesn't yield three nines you get the choice of jumping 10k feet in the air or being shit.
1508203;1469130738;mircea_popescu;shot*
1508204;1469130740;mircea_popescu;same difference.
1508205;1469130747;asciilifeform;incidentally
1508206;1469130752;asciilifeform;i bet the chinese dun test no moar.
1508207;1469130760;asciilifeform;judging by what i get in the crates here.
1508208;1469130769;asciilifeform;so i suspect they are already following mircea_popescu's tip.
1508209;1469130794;asciilifeform;the defective transistors no longer 'packaged separately for your convenience esteemed sir'
1508210;1469130794;mircea_popescu;because it's not actually worth testing.
1508211;1469130803;mircea_popescu;this is an unavoidable next stop on the rail that begins with "not worth repairing"
1508212;1469130819;asciilifeform;likely.
1508213;1469130831;asciilifeform;it won't be pretty.
1508214;1469130839;asciilifeform;picture, you assemble machine and have WHOLLY NFI why it dun go.
1508215;1469130847;asciilifeform;now it is O(N^2) process to learn why.
1508216;1469130850;mircea_popescu;oh, you mean like presently ?
1508217;1469130851;asciilifeform;and you need duplicates of ALL parts.
1508218;1469130863;asciilifeform;it will be like building computer in su
1508219;1469130868;asciilifeform;you needs bins of ALL parts etc.
1508220;1469130872;mircea_popescu;out of t parts
1508221;1469130873;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu probably saw how it was done.
1508222;1469130878;mircea_popescu;sure.
1508223;1469130887;mircea_popescu;funny thing is - they didn't even have the sense to USE TWO BINS
1508224;1469130894;mircea_popescu;they'd just put the shit back in.
1508225;1469130899;asciilifeform;where my father worked they had always 3 bins.
1508226;1469130900;mircea_popescu;"who knows, maybe later it changes its mind"
1508227;1469130919;mircea_popescu;so production always followed a downward trend.
1508228;1469130921;asciilifeform;1 - 'army' 2 - 'konsoomer'  3 - 'hobbyist & school'
1508229;1469130937;asciilifeform;1 - 'works'   2- 'sometimes works'   3 - ~dun work
1508230;1469131485;shinohai;http://archive.is/6ajKY   <<< get it while it's hot asciilifeform, yer own private island!
1508231;1469132109;jurov;they auction it in bitcoins???
1508232;1469132145;asciilifeform;'own'
1508233;1469132355;shinohai;would be nice if not partitioned
1508234;1469132407;phf;would be nice if there was anything good about that sale
1508235;1469132476;phf;mircea_popescu: do you have a link handy to your mirrors of disappeared tlp articles?
1508236;1469132566;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508234 << aha! pure redditola.
1508237;1469132566;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 20:20 phf: would be nice if there was anything good about that sale
1508238;1469132583;asciilifeform;i want my 20 seconds back.
1508239;1469132876;phf;maybe if dpr came through with the church papers
1508240;1469132886;phf;*dpb
1508241;1469133121;asciilifeform;lel
1508242;1469133577;mircea_popescu;phf um, iirc i only kept one, the one with the minimum income thing. you want that ?
1508243;1469133591;phf;yes please
1508244;1469133637;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2011/terifiantul-oribilul-adevar-despre-venitul-suplimentar-asigurat/ < first link.
1508245;1469133664;phf;thanks
1508246;1469133782;shinohai;http://archive.is/IRvva  "Why Ethereum Succeeded and Bitcoin failed"
1508247;1469133813;mircea_popescu;bwhahahaha
1508248;1469133826;mircea_popescu;see asciilifeform ? they do, because they must.
1508249;1469133878;mircea_popescu;they can't of their own power say "we learned this was a stupid idea and will not be pursuing it any further." it's there, they must keep pouring money in the sand.
1508250;1469133902;mircea_popescu;the only thing that nobody could have predicted being the obvious future.
1508251;1469134053;phf;asciilifeform: you happen to have a djvu archive of теxника-молодежи?
1508252;1469134085;mircea_popescu;lol phf is preparing to take a shit.
1508253;1469134123;phf;last moment preparations before leaving to my home planet
1508254;1469134301;mircea_popescu;"This is how I know that anyone who says, "If only I could live in Mad Men time where you could pinch a girl's ass and not get in trouble for it" is going to be way disappointed if a TARDIS shows up, because they wouldn't pinch them back then, either, not because they are afraid of trouble but because they are afraid of girls.  Exhibit A: you know what a TARDIS is." << guy rocks lol
1508255;1469134552;phf;in other bunnie news http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4782 "Why I’m Suing the US Government"
1508256;1469134641;ben_vulpes;you're not suing the government, moron, you're suing usg.disney
1508257;1469134659;shinohai;https://torrentfreak.com/can-kickasstorrents-make-a-comeback-160721/   <<< naturally coinbase blows whistle
1508258;1469134661;ben_vulpes;"please to the pretty please to do what i want instead of what your masters demand? puweaze?"
1508259;1469134702;ben_vulpes;shinohai: naturally.
1508260;1469134717;ben_vulpes;part and parcel of financial license in the states.
1508261;1469135198;shinohai;:/
1508262;1469135403;phf;there's now canonical clip to play at the yet another demise of an excellent pirate site, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY258ILfYmE
1508263;1469135631;asciilifeform;phf: i dun have, but they do: http://flibusta.is/a/29774
1508264;1469135645;asciilifeform;(re: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508251 )
1508265;1469135645;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 20:47 phf: asciilifeform: you happen to have a djvu archive of теxника-молодежи?
1508266;1469135849;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508246 << lulzy: 'The deadlock between competing corners of the Bitcoin community when it comes to hard forking, in contrast, spells doom for the currency, according to Tual. “As long as that’s true, Bitcoin will never evolve, and it will die, because what doesn't evolve dies.”' << 'we've failed to stick in the proboscis and so let's declare it dead, neverhappened'
1508267;1469135849;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 20:43 shinohai: http://archive.is/IRvva  "Why Ethereum Succeeded and Bitcoin failed"
1508268;1469136028;asciilifeform;EVOLVE!!11 install web20! with round corners! on winblowz 10!
1508269;1469136040;asciilifeform;on MOBILE! CLOUD!
1508270;1469136046;asciilifeform;with 10GB blocks.
1508271;1469136056;asciilifeform;'or be left behind, die'
1508272;1469136132;asciilifeform;'Finally, and crucially, the investigators issued a warrant directed at the Canadian webhost of KickassTorrents. This was one of the biggest scores as it provided them with full copies of KAT’s hard drives, including the email server. “I observed […] that they were all running the same Linux Gentoo operating system, and that they contained files with user information, SSH access logs, and other information, ' << use moar nato h
1508273;1469136133;asciilifeform;osts, keep moar logz
1508274;1469136203;asciilifeform;run moar warez-as-get-rich ops, keep moar fiatola bank accounts filled thereby
1508275;1469136204;asciilifeform;etc.
1508276;1469136266;asciilifeform;ftr i have 0 sympathy for folks who ~sell~ warez. i dun care if they are eaten by usg, or by crocodiles, or martians.
1508277;1469136270;asciilifeform;good riddance.
1508278;1469136331;shinohai;lol
1508279;1469136413;phf;asciilifeform: kat didn't sell warez
1508280;1469136420;asciilifeform;why did he have money then ?
1508281;1469136424;phf;ads
1508282;1469136428;phf;was in logs
1508283;1469136432;*;asciilifeform digs
1508284;1469136448;asciilifeform;~same thing.
1508285;1469136449;phf;kat was an honest successor to thepiratebay
1508286;1469136452;asciilifeform;tried to GET RICH off warez.
1508287;1469136456;asciilifeform;this is a sin.
1508288;1469136463;phf;oh pish posh
1508289;1469136479;asciilifeform;for good reason: it promotes exactly the kind of centralization that warez addresses the evil of.
1508290;1469136568;phf;guy was a one man torrent operation provided oldfags and lusers alike with quality prods, it seems entirely petty to focus on his ad revenue, and ties squarely into usg narrative of "he made millions!!!"
1508291;1469136624;asciilifeform;from what i can tell, fella thought himself Too Good for wot, and for 100% btc op
1508292;1469136631;asciilifeform;so reaps what he sowed.
1508293;1469136653;phf;in fact kat was only place that, if you visited without adblock, would tell you to use one
1508294;1469136664;asciilifeform;lel i had no idea. never used.
1508295;1469136730;asciilifeform;it isn't that i particularly loathe this particular schmuck, but his fate is not astonishing, any more than the fate of a gay dude who 'barebacks' every night with randos at the 'bath-house', dies of aids
1508296;1469136735;asciilifeform;'nobody could have predicted'
1508297;1469136761;danielpbarron;in vaguely related news, http://i.imgur.com/9OwuXzQ.png
1508298;1469136761;asciilifeform;and srsly, 13333337 'undergrounding' from poland, the mecca of nato-fellating shitholes ?
1508299;1469136786;phf;his fate is not astonishing, but only because man chose to throw himself on bayonet
1508300;1469136787;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: what's this ?
1508301;1469136826;danielpbarron;comment on porn site superimposed over stock nature photography
1508302;1469136856;asciilifeform;i meant, what is the pictured item ?
1508303;1469136890;danielpbarron;i'd also like to know, but if i had to guess, it looks like a cave that is located under a body of water that is draining into it from above, as seen from within the cave
1508304;1469136921;asciilifeform;cave with transparent walls?!
1508305;1469136930;danielpbarron;maybe ice
1508306;1469136937;asciilifeform;possibly
1508307;1469136944;danielpbarron;ah now i see that is snow in the forground
1508308;1469136985;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508255 << gold: 'Our recent generation of Makers, hackers, and entrepreneurs have developed under the shadow of Section 1201... Our children deserve better. I can no longer stand by as a passive witness to this situation. I was born into a 1201-free world, and our future generations deserve that same freedom of thought and expression. I am but one instrument in a large orchestra performing the symph
1508309;1469136986;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 20:55 phf: in other bunnie news http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4782 "Why I’m Suing the US Government"
1508310;1469136986;asciilifeform;ony for freedom...'
1508311;1469136999;asciilifeform;holy fuck, the 'law-abiding' schmuckdom on display
1508312;1469137010;asciilifeform;like that imbecile from earlier thread,
1508313;1469137027;ben_vulpes;https://youtu.be/xbuvcQrAOSk?t=213 << re pyrex thread
1508314;1469137028;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-17#1504269
1508315;1469137028;a111;Logged on 2016-07-17 18:00 asciilifeform: or why he collects megabux of donation simply to give to lawyers;
1508316;1469137071;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: lel
1508317;1469137094;asciilifeform;pseudopyrex ftw.
1508318;1469137214;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508266 <<< the incredible cheek of the usg scum.
1508319;1469137214;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 21:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508246 << lulzy: 'The deadlock between competing corners of the Bitcoin community when it comes to hard forking, in contrast, spells doom for the currency, according to Tual. “As long as that’s true, Bitcoin will never evolve, and it will die, because what doesn't evolve dies.”' << 'we've failed to stick in the proboscis and so let's declare it dead, neverhappened'
1508320;1469137222;mircea_popescu;what does idiot do, next month after blowing up own penis ?
1508321;1469137235;mircea_popescu;opine about the competent. in faux superior tones.
1508322;1469137241;asciilifeform;tries to convince everyone to remove theirs also ?
1508323;1469137255;asciilifeform;then he can be 'whole'
1508324;1469137264;mircea_popescu;the presumption everyone's illiterate in the anglosphere is so fucking strong...
1508325;1469137273;asciilifeform;'you have 1 computer'
1508326;1469137313;asciilifeform;or what was it, they asked mircea_popescu, 'where do you WURK'
1508327;1469137321;asciilifeform;un minimo respeto!11
1508328;1469137390;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508276 << why ?
1508329;1469137390;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 21:24 asciilifeform: ftr i have 0 sympathy for folks who ~sell~ warez. i dun care if they are eaten by usg, or by crocodiles, or martians.
1508330;1469137415;mircea_popescu;it is a crime to allow stupid people keep their money.
1508331;1469137465;asciilifeform;from this pov, usg did a godly thing
1508332;1469137467;asciilifeform;filleting the idiot
1508333;1469137483;mircea_popescu;usg may not do good no matter what it does.
1508334;1469137485;asciilifeform;just as he, earlier, devoured others
1508335;1469137496;mircea_popescu;this is what it means to be enemy - it doesn't get as much license as to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508296
1508336;1469137496;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 21:32 asciilifeform: 'nobody could have predicted'
1508337;1469137523;mircea_popescu;if hitler built schools in ukraina, they were still fascist schools ; torn down.
1508338;1469137528;mircea_popescu;usg, no different.
1508339;1469137536;asciilifeform;i can see this pov, i might not want crocodiles around, but there are still folks who can end up in a crock and i will not shed tear for them, even as we shoot the crock
1508340;1469137586;phf;asciilifeform was hating even before knew the details, so perhaps it's useless to look for reasons
1508341;1469137617;mircea_popescu;i dun personally give much of a shit, for exactly the "Wasn't in wot, isn't a person, can't be buried" reason.
1508342;1469137625;mircea_popescu;but this is a minor point.
1508343;1469137646;asciilifeform;phf: when somebody fattens himself and then, through sheer african idiocy, feeds the beast his own flesh, he is guilty of feeding the beast.
1508344;1469137675;asciilifeform;were it not for these folks, where would usg even get any bitcoin to dump.
1508345;1469137711;mircea_popescu;wtf is "1201"
1508346;1469137740;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: some provision of whichever incarnation of dmca, forbidding reversing etc
1508347;1469137740;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform exactly same place it gets them now. folks more than ready to believe, wish to believe, that "poloniex" exists, is trading etc,
1508348;1469137748;mircea_popescu;heh mkay.
1508349;1469137884;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatever, suing the government. what's the problem, let them have fun.
1508350;1469137941;mircea_popescu;ftr, i'm going to negrate anyone giving interviews to this "jordan pearson" shithead.
1508351;1469137954;asciilifeform;which one was that ?
1508352;1469137964;mircea_popescu;motherboard nigglet.
1508353;1469138023;ben_vulpes;hoho whyssat?
1508354;1469138024;mircea_popescu;though honestly, the whole "vice empire" is very much the same sort of redundant object.
1508355;1469138032;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes link being in today's log.
1508356;1469138051;asciilifeform;i suspect that m5 bolts will fly forth from my arse before they show up here, regardless.
1508357;1469138073;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: not to motherboard though?
1508358;1469138281;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/IRvva << this archive.is business does *not* make for neatly greppable things.
1508359;1469138322;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: not only this, but, the fella who runs archive.is is... not in my wot
1508360;1469138328;ben_vulpes;aha
1508361;1469138345;asciilifeform;(iirc he was somebody mircea_popescu knew from somewhere, but - nevertheless heathen.)
1508362;1469138362;asciilifeform;at some point archive.is ~will~ go down without being rebootable.
1508363;1469138371;ben_vulpes;i have a hateful noise machine upon which i intend to install gigablast eventually.
1508364;1469138388;ben_vulpes;there are other irons to hammer in the meantime, thouhg.
1508365;1469138389;asciilifeform;it might be a good time to parse all the archive.is links out of the l0gz and cache.
1508366;1469138389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problem with shit in trilema is that people go "lalala nobody cares" and then five years later they're begging for a reprise. kinda too lazy to go digging for the various comments of smartasses of the sort.
1508367;1469138397;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what's a "motherboard" you know ?
1508368;1469138417;ben_vulpes;it's that thing the nsa jacks into
1508369;1469138448;mircea_popescu;jus' saying, i take such a dim view of branding i'm not even willing to consider projects ; merely the people doing them.
1508370;1469138470;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so keep a copy ?
1508371;1469138492;mircea_popescu;also s/reprise/reprieve/ but anyway.
1508372;1469138519;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i tend to collect copies, yes. but this is not a systematic thing, and won't be for so long as it has to be manually cranked.
1508373;1469138543;mircea_popescu;so make a downloadatron.
1508374;1469138563;mircea_popescu;not like archive.is doesn't present you with downloadable copy, preprocessed, if you're too lazy to make own html deturdifier.
1508375;1469138563;asciilifeform;recall the wget -m thread ?
1508376;1469138570;asciilifeform;somewhat gnarlier than it appears, this.
1508377;1469138605;mircea_popescu; https://archive.is/download/ia3zY.zip <
1508378;1469138616;mircea_popescu;works on any page.
1508379;1469138625;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: many of the more egregious turds, have runtime-genned-by-js crapolade
1508380;1469138634;mircea_popescu;it is rendered, free of charge.
1508381;1469138638;asciilifeform;works while archive.is exists !
1508382;1469138649;asciilifeform;what is needed is a standalone works-forever.
1508383;1469138667;mircea_popescu;did your objection change from "this free service doing a very good job won't last forever" to "my abilities to make copies it also provides won't last after it goes away" ?
1508384;1469138671;mircea_popescu;wtf you want over here!
1508385;1469138684;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: is there an existing widget that emulates a 'typical' wwwtron and allows dump of the rendered material ?
1508386;1469138691;mircea_popescu;when it "goes away" you will still have all the copies you made.
1508387;1469138697;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is so
1508388;1469138733;mircea_popescu;and IF it goes away, and that happens BEFORE www goes away, which is the fucking plan in the first place ; THEN maybe we worry about this, neh ?
1508389;1469138736;asciilifeform;but - leverage. i fucking hate solving problems in a way that still leaves me to put out fire when the thing inevitably catches fire.
1508390;1469138751;mircea_popescu;we don't have a survival plan for www in the first place!
1508391;1469138796;asciilifeform;recall how dejanews, and then google-groups, went to /dev/null ?
1508392;1469138816;mircea_popescu;this being a large part of why i'm not impressed with, eg, schwartz ; or naggum ; etc.
1508393;1469138818;asciilifeform;'oh we dun need to archive, google archived'
1508394;1469138829;mircea_popescu;if your thing dies, this says you're not worth my time.
1508395;1469138844;mircea_popescu;it literally is RETROACTIVE dis-existentiation.
1508396;1469138846;asciilifeform;the greeks were 'dead' for a while i recall.
1508397;1469138848;asciilifeform;until undeaded.
1508398;1469138852;mircea_popescu;sure.
1508399;1469138873;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, keep a blog, keep it well backed up, so that if phf asks, you can link him
1508400;1469138893;mircea_popescu;there is no way out of this. inept, infantile bitching about how "php is too hard for me" and "archive.is might not survive" etc is just so much wasted breath.
1508401;1469138945;asciilifeform;all of mircea_popescu's quite valid criticisms of, e.g., 'imgur', apply to archive.is.
1508402;1469138964;mircea_popescu;there pointedly isn't some "god of the rolls" that this is to be offloaded to. if you can't be arsed to save the .zip files after someone did all the fucking hard work you don't even know how to do nor can motivate self to even attempt in the first place, there's exactly no value you have to save.
1508403;1469138976;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform  https://archive.is/download/ia3zY.zip <
1508404;1469138985;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508359 << I was thinking this too. If people are gonna archive links that's fine but it's better to paste the original link in the logs -- I can always paste it into achive.is myself if it happens to dissapear
1508405;1469138985;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 21:58 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not only this, but, the fella who runs archive.is is... not in my wot
1508406;1469139042;mircea_popescu;i suppose one thing we could do is change how a111 works so that on every outbout link posted here it a) makes an archive.is copy of thje page ; b) downloads the corresponding zip
1508407;1469139052;asciilifeform;waitasec
1508408;1469139056;asciilifeform;holy shit mircea_popescu what's in that thing
1508409;1469139061;mircea_popescu;in what thing ?
1508410;1469139064;asciilifeform;the zip
1508411;1469139071;mircea_popescu;the... page
1508412;1469139075;mircea_popescu;should be a trilema. neh ?
1508413;1469139079;asciilifeform;no.
1508414;1469139081;asciilifeform;go, see.
1508415;1469139082;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1508416;1469139101;asciilifeform;go and unzip it.
1508417;1469139150;mircea_popescu;yes ?
1508418;1469139155;asciilifeform;and?
1508419;1469139156;mircea_popescu;html file + 2 images ; a trilema
1508420;1469139210;asciilifeform;not what i get
1508421;1469139235;asciilifeform;i get a 128k binary turd.
1508422;1469139247;mircea_popescu;e162a9f7cef30be7d517a6a0103863ddedeea0597f11134e7952bbb28462ece45b570926d9cc42a1088bea8dd3a0e4eeb741a72a9c831799b06bd3a9041496cd  /home/mircea/Downloads/ia3zY.zip
1508423;1469139256;asciilifeform;with a <html></html> and then 128k of ???.
1508424;1469139274;trinque;lolwat
1508425;1469139277;mircea_popescu;does the hash match ?
1508426;1469139279;trinque;I got teh trilema
1508427;1469139289;asciilifeform;d7f9bc94bb14f5cd596b08d63760f9d6c609ec8165a5cb699ed9d3a5d873bc4ea111373323408f9af1ad3402a08ede01929e7bfe808c583045a1e83c1f564ac1  ia3zY.zip
1508428;1469139292;asciilifeform;(sha512)
1508429;1469139293;mircea_popescu;o.O
1508430;1469139295;asciilifeform;aha.
1508431;1469139313;mats;the suspense builds
1508432;1469139320;mircea_popescu;32748 bytes ?
1508433;1469139324;asciilifeform;i load it again and...
1508434;1469139324;asciilifeform;SAME
1508435;1469139334;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the zip ?
1508436;1469139340;mircea_popescu;yes
1508437;1469139355;asciilifeform;131259 every time.
1508438;1469139356;trinque;sign a hex dump and deedbot!
1508439;1469139371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the zip you download, is it 32748 long ? if shorter, maybe incomplete transfer ?
1508440;1469139376;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: LONGER
1508441;1469139383;asciilifeform;131259 > 32748.
1508442;1469139390;phf;fwiw i'm getting a different shasum 512 from either of you
1508443;1469139396;mircea_popescu;weird shit.
1508444;1469139400;asciilifeform;loooovely thing, archive.is
1508445;1469139414;mircea_popescu;well ima paste the b64 sec
1508446;1469139439;asciilifeform;incidentally!!!
1508447;1469139444;asciilifeform;i get a DIFFERENT 128k every time
1508448;1469139446;asciilifeform;i download it.
1508449;1469139454;asciilifeform;other than the header.
1508450;1469139481;asciilifeform;possibly, polymorphic bomb, will be interesting to reverse
1508451;1469139481;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c7194633-56f8-40eb-950d-b39e64a24632/
1508452;1469139549;asciilifeform;my 1: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5006dcaa-e6a3-4d39-96ac-0bf42106849d/
1508453;1469139565;asciilifeform;my 2: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6b803d1b-3f00-414a-8c79-b95409804268
1508454;1469139573;asciilifeform;have phun folx.
1508455;1469139605;asciilifeform;d7f9bc94bb14f5cd596b08d63760f9d6c609ec8165a5cb699ed9d3a5d873bc4ea111373323408f9af1ad3402a08ede01929e7bfe808c583045a1e83c1f564ac1 and b8f9876e782c1f4681607404632ce5d11514ce5e3caeb0dead6f0110c39aa1c83feeb1f8ad009f26fd7ea70c9331933aa0f06fb497b1fe0148b45f76d3a97800 respectively.
1508456;1469139625;asciilifeform;131259 bytes long each.
1508457;1469139822;asciilifeform;effect confirmed on both curl and wget.
1508458;1469139825;asciilifeform;of various version.
1508459;1469139882;asciilifeform;wholly different contents every time, OTHER than zip headers.
1508460;1469139897;mircea_popescu;pretty bizarre.
1508461;1469139901;asciilifeform;isnnit.
1508462;1469139976;mircea_popescu;i get different hashes every time also ; but they're all legit zip archives.
1508463;1469139980;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: zip unpacks great.
1508464;1469139995;asciilifeform;but neither it, nor the contents, appear to have any relation whatsoever to any of my 3.
1508465;1469140075;asciilifeform;the string 'jpg', for instance, occurs in none of my 3.
1508466;1469140085;asciilifeform;(not in payload, or headers - where it belongs)
1508467;1469140099;asciilifeform;dump'em out, see.
1508468;1469140140;asciilifeform;phf: post a few shots of yours plox
1508469;1469140149;asciilifeform;and anybody else tuned in, ditto.
1508470;1469140149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is actually a zip bug.
1508471;1469140161;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: demonstrate ?
1508472;1469140179;mircea_popescu;i was able to reproduce teh "weird binary with html tags" by running cli zip 3.0
1508473;1469140188;asciilifeform;on what ?
1508474;1469140195;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's 32k zip unpacks great
1508475;1469140195;mircea_popescu;on ubuntu.
1508476;1469140198;asciilifeform;and has the expected contents
1508477;1469140211;asciilifeform;the 3 128k shots - contain ??? ~with a valid zip header~
1508478;1469140222;asciilifeform;that unpacks to... SAME bitwise ??? but sans zip header.
1508479;1469140236;asciilifeform;and has NOTHING in common with the jpegs or html in mircea_popescu's 32k zip
1508480;1469140250;asciilifeform;but, i suspect, is payload for some overflowed buffer in winzip or the like.
1508481;1469140257;mircea_popescu;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/94037a82-84af-4210-895e-a2393bcbf3c3/ << like so
1508482;1469140279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's this
1508483;1469140301;mircea_popescu;that';s what manglemess zip makes of the dld.
1508484;1469140395;asciilifeform;what was the input for this ?
1508485;1469140407;asciilifeform;(you zipped an x? what was x)
1508486;1469140418;asciilifeform;and is it same if you do it again ?
1508487;1469140427;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i unzipped the result of curling the url.
1508488;1469140431;mircea_popescu;nope.
1508489;1469140502;mircea_popescu;basically looks like some versions of zip fuck up the directory structure, extract it as a flat file.
1508490;1469140534;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and your zip was 32k and mine 128k because ??
1508491;1469140577;mircea_popescu;no idea ; i always get the same size.
1508492;1469140585;asciilifeform;me too.
1508493;1469140586;asciilifeform;128k.
1508494;1469140609;mircea_popescu;odd.
1508495;1469140616;asciilifeform;i am speaking of the raw download
1508496;1469140627;asciilifeform;if you unzip ANY of them, you get IDENTICAL file minus zip header.
1508497;1469140652;asciilifeform;(which is to say, a length ??? binturd with NO symptoms of it being packed jpeg or html from mircea_popescu's zip)
1508498;1469140669;asciilifeform;(identical to the incoming zip, not to each other)
1508499;1469140719;mircea_popescu;well, fortunate that this oddity should pick the reverser among us to bless.
1508500;1469140774;mircea_popescu;anyway - from what i see old cli zip does take the (correct sized, 32kb) file and spit it out as a single file of binary crap, instead of as a directory of 3 files of which one a html and two jpgs
1508501;1469140791;asciilifeform;yes, i get same !
1508502;1469140794;asciilifeform;when using mircea_popescu's zip
1508503;1469140800;asciilifeform;which never comes out if i download.
1508504;1469140891;*;asciilifeform will take in the full joys of the blessing when he comes back from meat.
1508505;1469140894;*;asciilifeform bbl - meat.
1508506;1469141478;mircea_popescu;ftr, i get different hashes for the dlded zip file, but identical contents for the extracted index.html (ie, diff reports no diff.)
1508507;1469142660;phf;instead of investigating this mysterious zip, i spent time reading jordan pearson's twitter. he's special, he's like the worst parody of a 2016 American Nerd
1508508;1469142796;phf;http://motherboard-images.vice.com/authors/no-id/1459351347926622.jpg
1508509;1469142841;phf;"why do white people charge so much for sandwiches"
1508510;1469142849;ben_vulpes;> tinder social
1508511;1469142853;ben_vulpes;wutdat
1508512;1469142874;ben_vulpes;tinder, by the way, makes a hilarious appearance in the first 2 episodes of letterkenny
1508513;1469142889;ben_vulpes;which features a character mircea_popescu may find amusing, the slut with an entire rural town wrapped around her finger
1508514;1469142898;ben_vulpes;"oh, that's why you appreciate me charlie?"
1508515;1469142913;ben_vulpes;"oh, hey, hi ground. look at you! how are you doing today eh?"
1508516;1469143639;phf;asciilifeform: thanks for the flibusta link
1508517;1469144450;phf;first time i see sli.mg in the wild, oddly enough on a pdp-11 ebay listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/Digital-PDP-11-20-with-KT11-B-Paging-Option-/201624309371
1508518;1469144477;phf;(can be yours for like 10k or so, at 2k right now)
1508519;1469148835;asciilifeform;phf: https://sli.mg/a/iDZnCf (via your link) quite a thing of beauty.
1508520;1469148872;asciilifeform;https://i.sli.mg/M9tf78.jpg << mega-relay!
1508521;1469148977;asciilifeform;i wish to move to the planet where ~that~ : https://i.sli.mg/ikoT6o.jpg is how one is introduced to 'the computer'
1508522;1469148992;asciilifeform;and where 'the computer' is what we see in this www.
1508523;1469149003;asciilifeform;recommended prOn, to all here.
1508524;1469149072;asciilifeform;https://i.sli.mg/BzdQZa.jpg << motherfucking firmware ON PAPER TAPE, you can READ it
1508525;1469149135;asciilifeform;whole lost WORLD of sanity.
1508526;1469149278;asciilifeform;phf: log dead?
1508527;1469149625;asciilifeform;trbbot?
1508528;1469149630;asciilifeform;what did i miss?
1508529;1469149720;shinohai;nothing yet, i decided to have a bot sit in here and lawg since a111 dies so much
1508530;1469149735;*;shinohai looks at phf >.>
1508531;1469149758;phf;hmm, yeah will fix
1508532;1469149784;phf;it basically just disconnects and doesn't reconnect. provides for some diversion
1508533;1469160054;mats;acog was great for observation the few times I used it -- better for officers
1508534;1469160205;mats;never got to try an eotech, my unit wasn't high speed enough
1508535;1469163960;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> then he can be 'whole' << This actually is a thing. There is 0 lower bound to idiocy.
1508536;1469164711;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/v7bIi2.png << Do not allow near pdp-11
1508537;1469168815;BingoBoingo;Phun Phact: The "Tree" that grew in Brooklyn was a monster https://www.nps.gov/plants/alien/fact/aial1.htm
1508538;1469170127;mats;fwiw, i don't believe the radio in the iphone has dma
1508539;1469170153;mats;based on some teardowns it appears the ram is in package with main cpu
1508540;1469170324;mats;and based on wut an acquaintance is saying (my knowledge of hw is shallow), it'd be impractical to route the bus to the radio
1508541;1469170363;mats;spi would be the ticket
1508542;1469182908;deedbot;[Qntra] "Crypto Coin Wallet Card" Physical Bitcoins Were A Scam - http://qntra.net/2016/07/crypto-coin-wallet-card-physical-bitcoins-were-a-scam/
1508543;1469183203;thestringpuller;;;later tell http://ix.io/16ii
1508544;1469183203;gribble;(later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
1508545;1469183210;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/16ii
1508546;1469183210;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508547;1469183388;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.141.150.121 (ssh-rsa key from 94.141.150.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for P
1508548;1469183775;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: up, edited, ty
1508549;1469183869;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '91.229.251.116 (ssh-rsa key from 91.229.251.116 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for P
1508550;1469183869;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.141.150.121 (ssh-rsa key from 94.141.150.121 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for P
1508551;1469183869;deedbot;[Qntra] Coinbase Embraces Ether As Venture Continues Running On Fumes - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinbase-embraces-ether-as-venture-continues-running-on-fumes/
1508552;1469184282;shinohai;gm #trilema
1508553;1469185443;BingoBoingo;morning
1508554;1469185669;deedbot;[Qntra] Trendon Shavers Sentenced - http://qntra.net/2016/07/trendon-shavers-sentenced/
1508555;1469186113;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/16iR
1508556;1469186114;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508557;1469186577;BingoBoingo;ty
1508558;1469186639;shinohai;o/
1508559;1469186659;deedbot;[Qntra] Seafile Cloud Storage Forks - http://qntra.net/2016/07/seafile-cloud-storage-forks/
1508560;1469189030;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1508561;1469189031;gribble;Current Blocks: 421829 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1530 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 1 hour, 34 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1508562;1469189035;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1508564;1469189815;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508507 << the problem with americans, by which we denote obscure people from the colonies with no history or identity of their own, is that if something becomes desirable they'll just copy it. "as best they can", "with locally sourced items". hence the mormon shredding of the hebrew texts and jordan pearson.
1508565;1469189815;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 23:11 phf: instead of investigating this mysterious zip, i spent time reading jordan pearson's twitter. he's special, he's like the worst parody of a 2016 American Nerd
1508566;1469189852;mircea_popescu;$up ghtdak
1508567;1469189852;deedbot;ghtdak voiced for 30 minutes.
1508568;1469189874;mircea_popescu;of course, it cuts both ways. some people like the indigent simplicity (see, eg, babbage).
1508569;1469189891;mircea_popescu;it all depends if there exists a superior power (france, england, etc) for them to copy or not.
1508570;1469189938;mircea_popescu;in a very important sense, "don't blame the parrots if the sermon's bad"
1508571;1469190044;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508508 << how about it phf, see the merit of having a111 archive.is every link it sees, downloading the zip and then presenting a [cached] [saved] pair of links after the line ?
1508572;1469190044;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 23:13 phf: http://motherboard-images.vice.com/authors/no-id/1459351347926622.jpg
1508573;1469190127;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508513 << the very wooden acting kinda ruins it for me. why can't these people just you know, write their story ? gotta do it for camera, but that's hard and they have no camera faces nor acting talent.
1508574;1469190127;a111;Logged on 2016-07-21 23:14 ben_vulpes: which features a character mircea_popescu may find amusing, the slut with an entire rural town wrapped around her finger
1508575;1469190158;mircea_popescu;there's this misperception that "people wouldn't read, they prefer to watch video". it's a misperception for many reasons, but obvious here : those people AREN'T WATCHING VIDEO, EITHER.
1508576;1469190194;mircea_popescu;yes they show a marked preference to drooling in front of flickering monitor than empty book. but this is like saying cats prefer the christian science monitor over the new yorker. to what, to piss on ?
1508577;1469190257;mircea_popescu;if ye got a story to tell and ye can't draw, don't make a "stick figure cartoon", write it. if ye got a story to tell and ye can't act, don't make a youtube of it. WRITE IT.
1508578;1469190282;mircea_popescu;fcking basic literacy vs all the ustardians hellbent on being so fucking emospecial they need "symbols" and other illiterate obscura to "express themselves".
1508579;1469190300;mircea_popescu;guess what - whenever the problem of expression seems to be resolvable by chucking the alphabet, the problem's not of expression.
1508580;1469190571;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508521 << i don't. "copyright dec blabla 1970" ruins it for me.
1508581;1469190571;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 00:56 asciilifeform: i wish to move to the planet where ~that~ : https://i.sli.mg/ikoT6o.jpg is how one is introduced to 'the computer'
1508582;1469190641;thestringpuller;Oh God. I can't stop the huffing.
1508583;1469190658;thestringpuller;I told someone this mornign as they walked in "Do not huff any ether no matter how compelling"
1508584;1469190684;thestringpuller;Coworker is like "Are these cheap like when bitcoin was cheap? How much are these ether tokens?" Me: "I just said not to huff the ether!!!!!"
1508585;1469190722;mircea_popescu;apparently they take what you say as an inverses signal.
1508586;1469190789;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508541 << the dma thing is mostly a sufferance of the desktop designs yea
1508587;1469190789;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 06:48 mats: fwiw, i don't believe the radio in the iphone has dma
1508588;1469190821;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "it will be forking it's code"
1508589;1469190934;mircea_popescu;also paging shinohai. repeat after me, you! "it's raining, it's entertaining, its butt's lost retaining".
1508590;1469191009;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508583 << the sov version had no such
1508591;1469191009;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 12:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508521 << i don't. "copyright dec blabla 1970" ruins it for me.
1508592;1469191022;asciilifeform;srsly focusing on the dust spec on the pr0n gurl
1508593;1469191075;mircea_popescu;it's what i do/did.
1508594;1469191078;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508589 << this is false, ~all recent embedded boxes also have it. esp.
1508595;1469191079;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 12:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508541 << the dma thing is mostly a sufferance of the desktop designs yea
1508596;1469191094;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508544 << mno. spi tops out at 1-2MB/s.
1508597;1469191094;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 06:52 mats: spi would be the ticket
1508598;1469191098;*;mircea_popescu remembers this epic one time when dude filmed half a set with a cum dribble on his lens.
1508599;1469191103;asciilifeform;lel
1508600;1469191111;mircea_popescu;wtf is that you moron!
1508601;1469191120;mircea_popescu;that's...uh.... mmmm....
1508602;1469191152;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you think the iphone yet exists that has 1mb worth of data anyone'd care to exfiltrate ?!
1508603;1469191161;shinohai;lulzy mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/07/seafile-cloud-storage-forks/#comment-64913
1508604;1469191163;mircea_popescu;or what, they're importing 800mb of gui for the rootkit ?
1508605;1469191166;thestringpuller;$s why is dma bad
1508606;1469191166;a111;1 results for "why is dma bad", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=why%20is%20dma%20bad
1508607;1469191173;mircea_popescu;shinohai :[
1508608;1469191176;mircea_popescu;:p i mean
1508609;1469191180;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thread was about how the radio is connected to cpu.
1508610;1469191207;asciilifeform;it is not difficult to infer how it is NOT connected, because you can pick up the device and measure top bandwidth quite easily with bare hands
1508611;1469191207;mircea_popescu;yes. but for the purpose of owning it no ?
1508612;1469191218;asciilifeform;for the purpose of ~how is it connected??~
1508613;1469191230;mircea_popescu;aok.
1508614;1469191240;mircea_popescu;i thought the idea was someone will hack into your thing via radio.
1508615;1469191248;asciilifeform;(which in turn is interesting because ~is it on the same bus as other periphs~)
1508616;1469191274;asciilifeform;e.g., what privileges does the radio have, to put in software parlance
1508617;1469191293;asciilifeform;what can you do to the rest of the box from it
1508618;1469191341;asciilifeform;;;later tell trinque what happened here ? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508550 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508553 ? this is not the first time, either. i checked my rss feed, it does not shit out dupes.
1508619;1469191343;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 10:37 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.141.150.121 (ssh-rsa key from 94.141.15
1508620;1469191343;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 10:29 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 137972329524511332350345179383063459057793945315652236507421970261693564137960901996512996894145017061621733082256131959567147919618864056303833940191201933702773123828501529555162679467570574922517240202085909763410593682514212885621835760530191733699371777165518298737890131320837158206796655415064708441863 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '94.141.150.121 (ssh-rsa key from 94.141.15
1508621;1469191343;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508622;1469191361;asciilifeform;incidentally this is the first, iirc, long factor sshkey collision to pop.
1508623;1469191385;asciilifeform;91.229.251.116 and 94.141.150.121
1508624;1469191398;mircea_popescu;what, the others were short ?
1508625;1469191399;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "it will be forking it's code" << fxd
1508626;1469191408;mircea_popescu;ty.
1508627;1469191413;asciilifeform;'University of Technology and Agriculture in Bydgoszcz'
1508628;1469191417;asciilifeform;poland.
1508629;1469191440;asciilifeform;jesce polska nie zginela!
1508630;1469191443;mircea_popescu;lol.
1508631;1469191461;mircea_popescu;someone plox write the fellows a nice email, explain what happened and ask them to send a copy of the item that generated keys ?
1508632;1469191491;asciilifeform;sounds like a job for mircea_popescu ?
1508633;1469191510;asciilifeform;(to date, nobody answered when asciilifeform wrote. perhaps he lives under a curse)
1508634;1469191520;mircea_popescu;why for me! so we keep having these "how do build dirigible" threads weekly, while we patently ignore what the fellow who built the trope name  has to say about the process ?
1508635;1469191540;asciilifeform;only so that possibly somebody answers this time!11
1508636;1469191562;mircea_popescu;we don't give a shit if they do or don't.
1508637;1469191570;asciilifeform;then why bother ?
1508638;1469191578;mircea_popescu;we're here to develop the tmsr human resources, not to get some derps not in wot to eat their fucking peas.
1508639;1469191626;mircea_popescu;how do you say parusski "ridicarea continua a nivelului politic si ideologic" ?
1508640;1469191716;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re earlier, these factors are 1024 bt long. the longest ssh popped prior, had 512b-long factor.
1508641;1469191721;mircea_popescu;obv if i fucking google it, trilema is like the only source. motherfucker already. here. http://trilema.com/2011/propuneri-de-masuri-pentru-imbunatațirea-activitații-politico-ideologice-de-educare-marxist-leninista-a-membrilor-de-partid-a-tuturor-oamenilor-muncii-comentate/
1508642;1469191727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah ok.
1508643;1469191980;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508545 << i suggest link to the thread ? or if somebody ( mircea_popescu ? ) ever had an article-length exposition of subj -- to that.
1508644;1469191980;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 10:21 deedbot: [Qntra] "Crypto Coin Wallet Card" Physical Bitcoins Were A Scam - http://qntra.net/2016/07/crypto-coin-wallet-card-physical-bitcoins-were-a-scam/
1508645;1469191980;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508646;1469191990;asciilifeform;but afaik it was ever in just that one thread. here.
1508647;1469192049;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1498063 << thread.
1508648;1469192049;a111;Logged on 2016-07-06 15:04 asciilifeform: i dun care if it is made of gold, shitanium, hitler's skull, etc.; my take on folks selling envelopes which may or may not contain a funded privkey, and may or may not contain the ONLY extant copy thereof, remains same.
1508649;1469192050;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508650;1469192051;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1508651;1469192219;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: i was thinking of that exact thread when i read the news. prophetic huh?
1508652;1469192224;mircea_popescu;now i'm reading source material of ro 1960s censorship ("raport de analiza muncii", 3rd/4th q, 1961). guess what ? all the censors are women. andreescu elena, miroiu, takacs margareta (they had hungarians to read the hu stuff lol), "vas a. & pop c.", etc etc. fucking dozen+, all womens.
1508653;1469192228;mircea_popescu;how the fyuck does this work.
1508654;1469192232;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: 'who could have foreseen!'
1508655;1469192266;asciilifeform;but srsly i wonder if there is ANY discussion of 'the fella who generated the keys may have copies and you will NEVER prove the contrary' in, e.g., tardstalk, wherever.
1508656;1469192276;asciilifeform;any of the places this crapolade was pushed.
1508657;1469192294;mircea_popescu;well they speak a different language.
1508658;1469192336;asciilifeform;waiwut
1508659;1469192647;asciilifeform;'Either that company was running a scam (and I do not actually accuse them of that) or they were retaining backup copies of the private keys they generated (which they never should have done) and they were stolen by either a hacker or an employee.'
1508660;1469192651;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1508661;1469192672;asciilifeform;'i opened the money-promise box and it had 0, but i do not accuse the vendor of scam'
1508662;1469192680;asciilifeform;dafuq.
1508663;1469192807;asciilifeform;'physical btc' is one of those items that is FRACTALLY a bad idea. with disaster waiting at EVERY possible junction.
1508664;1469192824;asciilifeform;leeeeet's pass a box with privkey around, round, round, and pray that nobody peeks in
1508665;1469192854;mircea_popescu;dawg. you're seriously spending your time sifting through tardstalk to support a minor point of dubiously more value than the cost of a log line ?
1508666;1469192863;asciilifeform;i followed the qntra link, that's it.
1508667;1469192878;mircea_popescu;a) hire a girl to do this. pay minimum wage, see how much you actually care to do it ; b) built a pdp already, or what was it you were building ?
1508668;1469192880;asciilifeform;already maxed dosimeter.
1508669;1469192923;*;asciilifeform wonders if 'physical btc' is largely a stale and dead scam, or still lively somewhere.
1508670;1469192933;mircea_popescu;no such thing as a stale scam.
1508671;1469192937;asciilifeform;point.
1508672;1469192950;mircea_popescu;since the birth of the city, they've only had maybe 3 or 4 scams altogether.
1508673;1469192975;asciilifeform;fiatola was printed in china before euro folk climbed down from the trees, or what it was.
1508674;1469195517;asciilifeform;so, via this heathen pit, http://www.whoismcafee.com/the-travel-guide : 'Dr. McAfee, I have spent the past thirty years perfecting an unbreakable encryption algorithm. My algorithm is not just unbreakable for all practical purposes it is theoretically unbreakable. The advent of quantum computers will not change this. The mathematics confirming my claim is indisputable. You no doubt have sufficient knowledge of mathematics and program
1508675;1469195517;asciilifeform;ming to understand my design. I will be happy to send you a copy of my patent application so you can evaluate the veracity of my claims if you will sign a notarized non-disclosure agreement.'
1508676;1469195561;asciilifeform;this kind of circus is one of the thing i miss about usenet
1508677;1469195575;asciilifeform;sci.crypt crackpots were every bit as entertaining as the sci.physics ones
1508678;1469195641;mircea_popescu;ahahaha who the fuck figures mcafee no doubt has a clue of maths ?
1508679;1469195660;asciilifeform;'unbreakable cryptographers!' clearly
1508680;1469195662;asciilifeform;who else.
1508681;1469195764;mircea_popescu;me finds http://www.infobae.com/2015/12/05/1774628-el-gran-mito-que-la-argentina-es-un-pais-rico/ where his quote re plowing fly is given as "unknown author", writes to the bulat derp to point out the author's known, since ~1850 or so. guess what happens next ?
1508682;1469195869;asciilifeform;absolutely nothing ?
1508683;1469195887;mircea_popescu;nah,    host aspmx.l.google.com [173.194.222.27]    SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<tbulat@infobae.com>:     552-5.2.2 The email account that you tried to reach is over quota.
1508684;1469195903;mircea_popescu;the idiots use google mail ; who said google mail has infinite space ?
1508685;1469195918;asciilifeform;holy fuq
1508686;1469195945;asciilifeform;current quote for free accts is... ~15GB
1508687;1469195951;mircea_popescu;this incidentally is so fucking typical of this shithole it bleeds. they have THE MARKINGS of everything. if you don't look too closely, tomas bulat seems just like an ordinary derp ; has an email and a picture and everything.
1508688;1469195962;mircea_popescu;but he ISNT one. he's an orc masquerading as one, and at the first touch the masquerade crumbles.
1508689;1469195982;asciilifeform;what's the diff b/w 'ordinary derp' and orc
1508690;1469196005;mircea_popescu;same thing, throughout. buenos aires has a night life, god help you if you try to go out. it has shops, god help you if you try to you know, find the most common industrial product in deployment over the whole country (ie, the heating element from http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/ )
1508691;1469196012;asciilifeform;the 'human' can afford real leather 'business planner' through no fault of his own, just because the money pipe going through ~his~ back yard drips moar than the orc's
1508692;1469196020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ordinary derp has ipad ; orc has paper cutout painted like ipad.
1508693;1469196022;asciilifeform;the egyptian from mircea_popescu's article - stuck with faux leather
1508694;1469196030;asciilifeform;ah yes.
1508695;1469196054;asciilifeform;both really belong with a mud brick shaped like ipad
1508696;1469196072;asciilifeform;but one savage found a geologist's flashlight in the woods, and the other - not
1508697;1469196094;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1508698;1469196289;asciilifeform;'Each Google Apps for Work user can store up to 30 GB of content for free (compared to 15 GB with Google Apps free edition or individual consumer accounts). This storage is shared between Gmail, Google Drive, and Google Photos. If you’re approaching the limit or if you've run out of storage, you can purchase additional storage or reduce your storage usage.'
1508699;1469196312;asciilifeform;fella prolly overfilled his pr0n box.
1508700;1469196323;mircea_popescu;and i presume it filters spam to some degree. hopefuly to such degree that an account last used dec 2015 isn't overrun by 30gb worth of spam in 6 months.
1508701;1469196334;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: experimentally, they aren't.
1508702;1469196358;asciilifeform;( recall why folks end up on gmail to begin with )
1508703;1469196409;asciilifeform;gmail is a very characteristically american chumpatron - 'we will fart and fart and encourage others, and then sell you bottle of clean air'
1508704;1469196428;mircea_popescu;moreover, if it were "derp overfilled his pronbox", you'd expect this problem to resolve over time. i'll bet you whatever it will not.
1508705;1469196444;asciilifeform;well if abandoned it will never be cleaned, neh ?
1508706;1469196450;mircea_popescu;so, so reminescent of "eudemocracia.org" ie http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/#selection-197.0-197.39
1508707;1469196450;asciilifeform;(until garbage collected)
1508708;1469196472;deedbot;[Trilema] Views through a lens - http://trilema.com/2016/views-through-a-lens/
1508709;1469196481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not even abandoned. it's "abandoned", in the sense your pet cat "has abandoned" its copy of the master and marguerita.
1508710;1469196489;mircea_popescu;hurr durr, wasn't its thing to abandon in the first place.
1508711;1469196537;mircea_popescu;meanwhile i bought "industria argentina" male underwear which, while spoiling the same amount of cotton as a normal pair ; nevertheless HAS NO RUBBER BAND.
1508712;1469196551;asciilifeform;holy fuq, is that a bismarck's cross on the anvil ?!
1508713;1469196566;mircea_popescu;i have never before seen such nonsense, not even in the depths of romanian 80s poverty, where they actually have unyielding band for the underwear omfg.
1508714;1469196578;mircea_popescu;went straight into bin, where i'd like to put this population wholesale.
1508715;1469196579;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1508716;1469196599;mod6;that would drive me crazy.
1508717;1469196609;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where was the anvil ?
1508718;1469196620;mircea_popescu;PAPER GOODS shop.
1508719;1469196654;shinohai;http://archive.is/4mmml   <<< the new generation of burner phones!
1508720;1469196721;asciilifeform;shinohai: lulzy. see the electric meters in arizona thread from a while back, for similar item.
1508721;1469196736;asciilifeform;i can't wait for pay-as-you-go water and sewer.
1508722;1469196764;asciilifeform;and pay toilets where you gotta put in credit card for a set of shutters in the toilet to open.
1508723;1469196787;shinohai;i remember pay stalls in some areas of nyc
1508724;1469196796;shinohai;25 cents to open stall door
1508725;1469196798;asciilifeform;that's old hat
1508726;1469196805;asciilifeform;gotta EVOLVE!1111
1508727;1469196807;asciilifeform;to next level.
1508728;1469196816;shinohai;bitcoin qr on stall door.
1508729;1469196825;asciilifeform;shutters, i tell ya.
1508730;1469196834;phf;1btc enter, 2btc leave
1508731;1469196849;asciilifeform;the only notch to go to after that will be chastity belt that physically prevents bladder from emptying until paid.
1508732;1469196907;asciilifeform;;;google Вход рубль, выход — два
1508733;1469196907;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1508734;1469196912;asciilifeform;$google Вход рубль, выход — два
1508735;1469196912;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1508736;1469196916;asciilifeform;eh.
1508737;1469196963;shinohai;	$google Вход рубль, выход — два
1508738;1469196966;shinohai;10:14 	@TRS80`	
1508739;1469196968;shinohai;shinohai: Виктор Суворов — Викицитатник: <https://ru.wikiquote.org/wiki/%25D0%2592%25D0%25B8%25D0%25BA%25D1%2582%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580_%25D0%25A1%25D1%2583%25D0%25B2%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B2>; аквариум вход рубль , выход два - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D1l8HDNrcWXo>; Вход - рубль , выход - два -
1508740;1469196970;shinohai;Психология (1 more message)
1508741;1469196973;shinohai;10:14 	+shinohai	$more
1508742;1469196974;shinohai;10:14 	@TRS80`	shinohai: и бизнес - RIN.ru: <http://business.rin.ru/cgi-bin/search.pl%3Faction%3Dview%26num%3D341688%26razdel%3D25%26w%3D0>
1508743;1469196986;asciilifeform;hm
1508744;1469196990;asciilifeform;why the space ?
1508745;1469197005;shinohai;i copied from another buffer
1508746;1469197021;asciilifeform;yes but why did it fire this time, and not before
1508747;1469197036;asciilifeform;or what happened here
1508748;1469197066;shinohai;^ that was results from my gribbletron
1508749;1469197074;asciilifeform;ah
1508750;1469197433;asciilifeform;re 'pay as you go', the favoured variant appears to be http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-25#1285945 - flavoured.
1508751;1469197433;a111;Logged on 2015-09-25 23:24 punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPsb_D2WoAAse4i.jpg:large
1508752;1469197666;asciilifeform;obligatory oldie: http://wearcam.org/seatsale
1508753;1469197730;asciilifeform;http://wearcam.org/seatsale/patent << pure gold. e.g., 'Fig. 4 illustrates the back door of a free dwelling or a low cost housing project, where the door has a magnetic safety lock for preventing children from accidentally running out into the backyard and being killed or injured by land mines that have not yet been de-activated by sliding a credit card into the door frame to purchase yard privileges.'
1508754;1469197820;asciilifeform;'FIG. 4 provides the solution to the problem of homelessness by providing free housing or low cost housing to anyone who wants it. Free houses are given away or loaned subject to certain Terms and Conditions. For example, the houses have surveillance and safety systems built in, and the Terms and Conditions include not tampering with these devices. Homeless persons can trade their privacy and autonomy for housing in which they become
1508755;1469197820;asciilifeform; experimental subjects of various monitoring devices, or in which they view advertisements in their houses, or agree to consume only certain products, or to abide by brand loyalties. Additionally, these homes may be provided with certain safety features, such as a magnetic lock 490 that prevents occupants from leaving the home without meeting certain conditions, such as safety and sobriety.'
1508756;1469197835;asciilifeform;one of the best tr0l0l0lz i've seen in eons. whole thing recommended.
1508757;1469198071;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://imgur.com/a/VSdan
1508758;1469198072;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508759;1469198133;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Pretty sure that's a dupe
1508760;1469198187;shinohai;searched for "morning ass"
1508761;1469198196;*;shinohai *shudders*
1508762;1469198341;BingoBoingo;lol
1508763;1469198402;BingoBoingo;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFzt1AdCQAEYZ1h.jpg:large
1508764;1469198447;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu asciilifeform link added
1508765;1469198690;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: neato.
1508766;1469198708;BingoBoingo;https://reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4tzjxr/why_does_the_dao_contract_have_38434_eth_in_it/?st=iqx42fo1&sh=857d0b96
1508767;1469198713;BingoBoingo;^ Gasmasks on
1508768;1469199136;mircea_popescu;lmao so comcast is finally installing cable.
1508769;1469199199;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: whaddayamean? comcast is one of the regional cable monopolies in usa.
1508770;1469199207;asciilifeform;has been, for ages.
1508771;1469199247;mircea_popescu;yes. and the deal described (~80 one time to install including the ~30 bux monthly fee + further 30 day reloads whenever you feel like and no contract or "credit checks" is how cable fucking works. it's what was installed in Romania starting 1993.
1508772;1469199260;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what they did prior. but if not this - not a cable company. sorry.
1508773;1469199271;asciilifeform;what they did prior was almost this.
1508774;1469199281;mircea_popescu;so prior tyhey were almost cable company.
1508775;1469199298;asciilifeform;except, for reasons unknown to me, they would extend the customer 30 days of credit (he'd get service then get 1st bill 30d later.)
1508776;1469199308;asciilifeform;ditto telco. etc
1508777;1469199336;asciilifeform;now that i think about it, the reason was obvious - get him to cough up dough for extras
1508778;1469199341;asciilifeform;('pay per view', etc)
1508779;1469199353;asciilifeform;whereas now chumper will have to pre-load the acct.
1508780;1469199378;mircea_popescu;the usg.corp bakes in usg.credit much like tmsr.everything bakes in tmsr.wot and for the same exact, purely political, reasons.
1508781;1469199392;asciilifeform;american mobile telcos have, by and large, already switched to the prepaid model.
1508782;1469199393;mircea_popescu;they don't want a world with us in it just like we don't want a world with them in it.
1508783;1469199405;mircea_popescu;well yes, because we're winning the war of worlds, but anyway.
1508784;1469199452;asciilifeform;i suspect that the logic was purely practical - the customers are no longer, by and large, creditworthy.
1508785;1469199485;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508757 << mp\s ancient idea, "have housing free for 20yo female students provided they never dress indoors". it made a decent penny.
1508786;1469199485;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 14:30 asciilifeform: 'FIG. 4 provides the solution to the problem of homelessness by providing free housing or low cost housing to anyone who wants it. Free houses are given away or loaned subject to certain Terms and Conditions. For example, the houses have surveillance and safety systems built in, and the Terms and Conditions include not tampering with these devices. Homeless persons can trade their privacy and autonomy for hou
1508787;1469199511;mircea_popescu;then it got mainstreamized into "reality tv" or someshit, a whole franchise.
1508788;1469199562;asciilifeform;sounds like some seriously overpriced naked chix pix
1508789;1469199574;asciilifeform;(even if locale with very low rents)
1508790;1469199584;mircea_popescu;at the time (mid 90s, ro) it wasn't in any sense overpriced.
1508791;1469199595;asciilifeform;what did it cost to house 1 specimen ?
1508792;1469199613;mircea_popescu;bout a hundred per head. you don't house them solo.
1508793;1469199619;asciilifeform;well yes
1508794;1469199634;mircea_popescu;you house them in conditions slightly better than they house themselves, which is 6 heads to the 3room apt.
1508795;1469199641;asciilifeform;hundred what? usd ?
1508796;1469199657;mircea_popescu;myeah. under that, really. food included.
1508797;1469199658;asciilifeform;i wouldn't pay 100 usd/mo for pictures of chick
1508798;1469199677;mircea_popescu;well you wouldn't do all sorts of things, principally because and since you'rfe not in the business of doing them.
1508799;1469199694;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why you'd pay, for, eg, cnc mill. but whatevs.
1508800;1469199716;asciilifeform;i can only assume that mircea_popescu found someone who will pay 100+epsilon for it.
1508801;1469199731;mircea_popescu;at the time sets cost ~2k per model.
1508802;1469199743;mircea_popescu;sets you understand, ~hour-and-half.
1508803;1469199779;asciilifeform;i never understood what was so great about professionally-produced pr0nz.
1508804;1469199793;*;asciilifeform philistine.
1508805;1469199801;mircea_popescu;that freerange female is ~idiot.
1508806;1469199821;asciilifeform;does she need to be brilliant to display her bits ?
1508807;1469199853;mircea_popescu;people who have contact with a lot of them break through the "o, she's an idiot, how endearing" phase of single-mating-male and become deeply irritated by even a faint hint of the well described idiocies. think of it much like how immune cascade/anaphilactic shock works.
1508808;1469199866;*;asciilifeform can picture it.
1508809;1469199872;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes. see http://trilema.com/2011/oricine-poate-sa/
1508810;1469199911;mircea_popescu;showing off is more of a skill than being a feminism professor. it takes more work, and it is a more respectable accomplishment.
1508811;1469199983;mircea_popescu;point in case : http://67.media.tumblr.com/6b3c86cf8995a714a1271f8a05d0f330/tumblr_nldoi2Hklx1uox454o1_500.gif << she, and ANY OTHER ONE LIKE HER, could blather endlessly about nonsense, just as well quality wise as ANY us female professor of nonsense. nevertheless, NO us female professor of nonsense could do that scene. maybe if she can afford to pay me a million to train her for eighteen weeks. but even then it's dubious.
1508812;1469199992;mircea_popescu;for which reason, whore > "career woman".
1508813;1469200036;shinohai;lol i am just now seeing where someone sent 38k ETH to the dao
1508814;1469200036;asciilifeform;i suppose i'm roughly in the position of the quasi-deaf artillerist who goes to a mozart concerto.
1508815;1469200037;mircea_popescu;now, i never understood the appeal of dressing cows in "business suits" and pretending like they're speaking when they moo. but then again i'm not in the business of running the us empire of pretense.
1508816;1469200045;asciilifeform;i dun even grasp the appeal of pr0n with cocks in it.
1508817;1469200049;asciilifeform;it is insta-turnoff.
1508818;1469200072;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform adding that to your anal illustrative inclination, i get the idea maybe you should try it!
1508819;1469200079;asciilifeform;try which ?
1508820;1469200086;mircea_popescu;try homo.
1508821;1469200098;asciilifeform;it just doesn't appeal. can't help it.
1508822;1469200107;mircea_popescu;okthen.
1508823;1469200110;asciilifeform;i will try it shortly after i dine on broken glass, nuts, bolts.
1508824;1469200207;mircea_popescu;but all this aside, the "reality tv" put a half dozen 20yos in a house and film the drama bs made a billion easy.
1508825;1469200222;mircea_popescu;when you're dealing with welfare state consumers, money's both weird and easy.
1508826;1469200347;mircea_popescu;$google bridalplasty
1508827;1469200348;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridalplasty << Bridalplasty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gR2s6G_-3c << Bridalplasty Episode 1 (Part 1/4) - YouTube | http://www.ew.com/article/2010/11/28/bridalplasty-series-premiere-recap << 'Bridalplasty': 15 Things That Made Me Die Inside | EW.com
1508828;1469200367;mircea_popescu;srsly, they had this. "womenz compete to win wedding and plastic surgery"
1508829;1469200370;mircea_popescu;$up Sinclair6
1508830;1469200370;deedbot;Sinclair6 voiced for 30 minutes.
1508831;1469200491;Sinclair6;hi sir!
1508832;1469200495;mircea_popescu;hola
1508833;1469200531;Sinclair6;just in the process of booting up my systems after a thunder and lighting storm
1508834;1469200533;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508808 << if you don't like scylla, you can always go die from charybdis - bite the bullet and only fuck the maths dept chix, even though their makeup is wrong etc.
1508835;1469200533;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 15:03 mircea_popescu: that freerange female is ~idiot.
1508836;1469200551;mircea_popescu;i'd rather fuck dudes.
1508837;1469200565;asciilifeform;hey it worx for jurov
1508838;1469200601;mircea_popescu;i thought he didn't like it ; worked about as well as any os he ever used, any software package ; any box of breakfast cereal etc.
1508839;1469200632;asciilifeform;lel
1508840;1469200646;mircea_popescu;ftr, there's a tv franchise called "sit down, shut up". it never caught on.
1508841;1469201472;shinohai;https://twitter.com/el33th4xor/status/756509426375352320   <<< butterin looks like he needs to get back to his coffin before sunrise in this photo.
1508842;1469202171;asciilifeform;in other 'news', let's a quick experiment: https://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/4u3car/we_scan_whole_ipv4_space_and_publicly_break_weak << does the unhappenatron still have unhappenatronium fuel rods left ? or not.
1508843;1469202322;asciilifeform;dropped it also in the other major heathen pit, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12144168 .
1508844;1469202427;mircea_popescu;would have worked better as blog post, but gl.
1508845;1469202452;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if nothing else, good test of my cachetronics.
1508846;1469202461;asciilifeform;nice burst of traffic.
1508847;1469202993;asciilifeform;ok mircea_popescu this is precious, i cannot resist:
1508848;1469202994;asciilifeform;134.223.116.158 - - [22/Jul/2016:15:54:57 +0000] "GET /gpgkey/50840391E5677882196999C9AE77F3177E6CBF8D35FB4F1FEF848CFADF9088B1 HTTP/1.1" 200 3425 "http://134.223.116.149:15871/cgi-bin/blockpage.cgi?ws-session=2010817170"
1508849;1469202999;asciilifeform;^ Northrop Grumman Co.
1508850;1469203009;asciilifeform;(ip)
1508851;1469203017;mircea_popescu;blog article already.
1508852;1469203034;mircea_popescu;you're dicking around on tardstalk etc anyway, might as fucking well sit down and write something that'll be useful later.
1508853;1469203036;asciilifeform;there is almost enough material for article just in above.
1508854;1469203042;mircea_popescu;quite.
1508855;1469203074;asciilifeform;now granted i cannot prove that 'blockpage.cgi' is their censorware monkey's panel...
1508856;1469203077;asciilifeform;but whatever.
1508857;1469203153;asciilifeform;http://www.websense.com/support/article/kbarticle/How-Can-I-Get-More-Information-About-My-Policy-From-the-Block-Page << done.
1508858;1469203156;asciilifeform;'websense' filter.
1508859;1469203161;asciilifeform;so - yes - it was.
1508860;1469203183;asciilifeform;'For custom block pages where the more information link is not available, edit the URL in the address bar to access the hidden view source information. For example, you will see an URL similar to the following for all your custom block pages. http://<ipaddress>:15871/cgi-bin/blockpage.cgi?ws-session=687865868 '
1508861;1469203347;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ever grep own logs for 'blockpage.cgi' ? might be good for a cheap lul.
1508862;1469203367;asciilifeform;'Banned In 66 Countries!1111'
1508863;1469203777;mircea_popescu;cat 'trilema.com-Jun-2016'  | grep -c "blockpage.cgi" \ 0 \ wc -l /trilema.com-Jun-2016 \ 8739195 /trilema.com-Jun-2016
1508864;1469203778;mircea_popescu;mno.
1508865;1469203789;asciilifeform;oh well.
1508866;1469204010;mircea_popescu;traffics!
1508867;1469205227;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here ya go : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1662
1508868;1469205346;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabriel_radio http://trilema.com/2011/imi-cer-scuze-dar-mi-am-uitat/ there you go, try that :D
1508869;1469205346;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508870;1469205354;deedbot;[Loper OS] Tears of the Phucked. - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1662
1508871;1469205396;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not a bad start!
1508872;1469205432;asciilifeform;i have no doubt that mircea_popescu , if he were inclined, could have written a whole b00k about said item. but all i had was this.
1508873;1469205459;mircea_popescu;gotta start ; then gotta keep going. through which process one achieves the bookwriting.
1508874;1469205582;mod6;asciilifeform: lol nice
1508875;1469205860;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'reject: low quality' (reddit) -- win.
1508876;1469205880;asciilifeform;took less than 1 hour.
1508877;1469205921;asciilifeform;perhaps if it had a lolcat ! or concerned the snorting of ethertardium !
1508878;1469205935;asciilifeform;or Relevant and Evolving!!!11
1508879;1469206032;mircea_popescu;well, alternatively could have had article explaining things rather than just bareback link to data
1508880;1469206053;mircea_popescu;think of the consumer like it were a woman - you don't just go plug her, right ?
1508881;1469206109;asciilifeform;there is a faq
1508882;1469206115;asciilifeform;how many times does one write same explanation ?
1508883;1469206190;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but if in 2012 someone had shown me a suspected cracking of rsa key in the wild, i would have squeezed stones until i learned how it was done
1508884;1469206194;deedbot;[Trilema] Petty private satisfactions - http://trilema.com/2016/petty-private-satisfactions/
1508885;1469206201;asciilifeform;even if there were no convenient explanation served on a silver plate.
1508886;1469206276;mircea_popescu;well yes, but that's you not reddit.
1508887;1469206302;asciilifeform;it's ~people~
1508888;1469206308;asciilifeform;but then there are also livestock, apparently.
1508889;1469206311;asciilifeform;with net connections.
1508890;1469206399;mircea_popescu;soberania!
1508891;1469206885;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] It’s somewhat clunky - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/its-somewhat-clunky/
1508892;1469207004;asciilifeform;lel seems like danielpbarron's pig did not enjoy the fucking any more than mine
1508893;1469207018;asciilifeform;grunted, sprayed mud, shit.
1508894;1469207097;danielpbarron;lol
1508895;1469207205;mircea_popescu;ahgahaha seriously, they want 2kb keys ?
1508896;1469207269;*;asciilifeform stuck with a 2kb for eons now
1508897;1469207355;asciilifeform;when generating it, i had the figure cached in head from 1990s, '2048, slow but strong!111'
1508898;1469207373;mircea_popescu;hehe
1508899;1469207380;mircea_popescu;anywya. not teh end of the world.
1508900;1469208969;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gabrielradio sau vezi si pe la diana daca te tin curelele : http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/2011/09/29/curbarea-sursei-trilematice/
1508901;1469208969;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1508902;1469209315;mircea_popescu;this may be the best thing written in that language that year ; and possibly the hardest thing to translate from trilema. notwithstanding that it's not even found there.
1508903;1469210196;mircea_popescu;and in other ornithological references for shinohai , http://67.media.tumblr.com/7fe98f72db7911383ba81b3ddf863e7b/tumblr_nhg4rorKGe1s0h0cio1_400.gif
1508904;1469210287;shinohai;O.o
1508905;1469211435;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: "sorry fork, your loss" << actually had me lollin
1508906;1469212664;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmlilIwUPXU << world's greatest army's procurement pipeline in action
1508907;1469216638;mircea_popescu;in other news, peeled bitter orange (proper peeled, everything off, harem style) in an old fashioned glass, covered with vermouth.
1508908;1469216641;mircea_popescu;aa would hit again.
1508909;1469217108;shinohai;nice i just got in, broke down and bough some muscadine wine for tonite xD
1508910;1469217259;thestringpuller;shinohai: you ever hear of raging burrito?
1508911;1469217791;shinohai;yeah
1508912;1469217817;shinohai;u there?
1508913;1469225159;deedbot;[Trilema] Bucuresti Non Stop - http://trilema.com/2016/bucuresti-non-stop/
1508914;1469230158;mircea_popescu;$up from heh
1508915;1469230158;deedbot;from voiced for 30 minutes.
1508916;1469230174;mircea_popescu;how the fuck do they do it, it's like the luser is wired, genetically predisposed to luserdom.
1508917;1469230415;BingoBoingo;<ben_vulpes> BingoBoingo: "sorry fork, your loss" << actually had me lollin << ty. shinohai's piece muh edit
1508918;1469230618;BingoBoingo;$up Sinclair6
1508919;1469230618;deedbot;Sinclair6 voiced for 30 minutes.
1508920;1469230648;BingoBoingo;Anyways the greatest lulz of the etherum fork business is that really it seems like they softforked theft, not hardforked
1508921;1469230684;BingoBoingo;theft of course referring to the forking which was a theft from legitimate DAO contract DAO'er
1508922;1469230692;BingoBoingo;*DOA'er
1508923;1469233533;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/BrVvd << teh "vc" derps found  their sty and are self-reportedly happy.
1508924;1469233726;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508921   <<< miami lawyer guy may show up in chat in the morning to poke
1508925;1469233726;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 23:38 BingoBoingo: theft of course referring to the forking which was a theft from legitimate DAO contract DAO'er
1508926;1469238408;mircea_popescu;in other "vc powered securitits" lulz : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJVwSrzOUlE wants you to sign into shittle to "confirm your age". https://www.youtube.com/v/yJVwSrzOUlE does not.
1508927;1469240467;mod6;1`120 of s.mg traded
1508928;1469240477;mod6;i miss the ticker
1508929;1469240496;mircea_popescu;prolly should put it back in huh
1508930;1469240497;mod6;maybe i'll make a new one?
1508931;1469240523;mircea_popescu;sure.
1508932;1469240534;mircea_popescu;you still have the bitotter thing ?
1508933;1469240555;mod6;i've got a few irons in the fire currently... but let's revisit this in a week or two after I get some more work done with the build stuff.
1508934;1469240561;mircea_popescu;sure.
1508935;1469240562;mod6;yeah, bitotter stuff is still laying around.
1508936;1469240623;mod6;btw, this is awesome: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/views-through-a-lens-1.jpg
1508937;1469240642;mircea_popescu;in other news, did bitgo just suffer a breach ?
1508938;1469241073;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-22#1508816 << only now it dawns on me you prolly meant the fingretrapped chick ? how the fuck are you going to judge her performance without the cock stuffing ? it's like proposing to buy a car in a closed bag wtf. you do go for drive tests neh ? same thing here, the fucking point is that random derp can't fingertrap worth a shit.
1508939;1469241073;a111;Logged on 2016-07-22 15:07 asciilifeform: i dun even grasp the appeal of pr0n with cocks in it.
1508940;1469257928;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] End of Days. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/23/end-of-days/
1508941;1469270081;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.125 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+74.45.231.125@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchla
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1508944;1469276077;mats;sick every day carry http://imgur.com/gallery/8vu2a
1508945;1469285415;deedbot;[Trilema] Fred Wilson is an idiot, and other things - http://trilema.com/2016/fred-wilson-is-an-idiot-and-other-things/
1508946;1469287669;mircea_popescu;rochester ny eh ?
1508947;1469288188;mircea_popescu;$up interviewee
1508948;1469288188;deedbot;interviewee voiced for 30 minutes.
1508949;1469288199;shinohai;o/ interviewee
1508950;1469288209;interviewee;hi Shinohai
1508951;1469288227;shinohai;and you are Drew I presume?
1508952;1469288230;interviewee;you betcha.
1508953;1469288260;shinohai;kk ... so ... the dao. You believe the "dao attacker' has a legal claim here?
1508954;1469288267;interviewee;here's the analysis
1508955;1469288298;interviewee;when determining whether any party has the ability to invoke the power of the legal system to determine a dispute, you must first determine the party's respective legal rights
1508956;1469288308;interviewee;that is to say, who has what rights/powers/responsibilities/burdens
1508957;1469288326;shinohai;i follow
1508958;1469288334;interviewee;(caveat- i do US law only, because i don't know any other legal system)
1508959;1469288346;interviewee;there are 3 or 4 analytic inflection points here
1508960;1469288356;interviewee;1. is there any contract relationship and if so, what does it say everyone can and can't do?
1508961;1469288378;interviewee;2. if there is no contract relationship, is there any conventionally recognized "ownership" right to any of the ETH/DAOt out there
1508962;1469288394;shinohai;hasn't it been established that the dao *didn't specifically prohibit this behavior* ?
1508963;1469288398;interviewee;3. if no contract and no "ownership" then can anyone get anything usign the legal system?
1508964;1469288419;interviewee;4. if we accept the law is code premise, then is what the exploiter did actually a violation of any others' rights?
1508965;1469288441;interviewee;as to your q, TheDao was evidently premised as code = law
1508966;1469288456;interviewee;however, flying in the face of that declaration were layer after layer of lawyer language
1508967;1469288471;interviewee;you have the comments in the actual .sol files as to warranties and incorp. of the gnu license
1508968;1469288477;shinohai;mircea_popescu, et all any questions for possible qntra?
1508969;1469288496;interviewee;you have the readme.md file in the git for the slockit code that had all sorts of interesting/strange declarations/disclaimers
1508970;1469288515;interviewee;then you have the conflicting mess of declarations in the daohub.org page
1508971;1469288537;interviewee;whcih of course was ambigiuous as to its ownership for a while- so it was unclear what "disclaimers" actually came from "TheDao"
1508972;1469288546;interviewee;and who was authorized to discllaim for TheDao
1508973;1469288557;mircea_popescu;shinohai well, what is your interest here ?
1508974;1469288561;mircea_popescu;interviewee are you a lawyer ?
1508975;1469288587;interviewee;complicating this of course is the fact that an investor/DaoT holder could actually buy in without seeing any of those disclaimers b/c the buy in was actually just a ETH transaction
1508976;1469288590;interviewee;yes, i am a lawyer.
1508977;1469288596;mircea_popescu;well, specifically ?
1508978;1469288598;interviewee;however, none fo this is legal advice- just my persaonl analysis
1508979;1469288599;shinohai;i was just curious as to the legal standing of the dao from US perspective
1508980;1469288613;shinohai;hypothetically of course
1508981;1469288615;interviewee;so, it's unclear if any of those disclaimer actually mean anythign or nothing
1508982;1469288622;interviewee;so, here's my personal take
1508983;1469288632;mircea_popescu;the actual legal standing is not established. it's one of those things that are a huge pile of nonsense a judge will have to cut through.
1508984;1469288642;interviewee;there are repeated express disclaimers of contract rights/creation
1508985;1469288643;mircea_popescu;financially, it's toxic, for this reason. nobody sane will get involved in it, which is the point.
1508986;1469288653;interviewee;a judge will probably infer some contractual relationships
1508987;1469288656;interviewee;based on conduct
1508988;1469288663;interviewee;hi Mircea_popescu
1508989;1469288667;mircea_popescu;us judges are notorious for poor judgement and arbitrary rulings.
1508990;1469288669;mircea_popescu;ello.
1508991;1469288677;interviewee;i enjoyed your blog that you pushed out right after the attack.
1508992;1469288706;mircea_popescu;interviewee the question to you is still, concretely, which lawyer are you ? otherwise the situation here is indistinguishable from "bored redditor clicked a webirc link"
1508993;1469288730;interviewee;what do you mean "which lawyer am i ?"
1508994;1469288741;interviewee;who am i IRL?
1508995;1469288764;interviewee;US Judges do a really good job considering the system they have to deal with
1508996;1469288776;shinohai;http://www.bergersingerman.com/
1508997;1469288794;interviewee;http://www.bergersingerman.com/people/andrew-m-hinkes
1508998;1469288802;mircea_popescu;aha! cool.
1508999;1469288811;interviewee;that's me friends
1509000;1469288814;mircea_popescu;do consider making a pgp key and registering it with deedbot
1509001;1469288838;interviewee;mircea_popescu i'll check it out
1509002;1469288841;interviewee;so, back to the analysis
1509003;1469288843;interviewee;the point is this
1509004;1469288850;interviewee;if code = law and code permitted action
1509005;1469288852;mircea_popescu;next q being, are you actually trying to position yourself to litigate this, or just blogging about it ?
1509006;1469288869;interviewee;then entirely plausible that permitted action provides title
1509007;1469288877;interviewee;and then the unilateral fork deprives rights.
1509008;1469288882;interviewee;to litigate it is very complex
1509009;1469288885;interviewee;b/c of standing
1509010;1469288896;interviewee;it would be a HELL of a lot of f un
1509011;1469288904;interviewee;but a longshot for a vairiety of reasons
1509012;1469288914;mircea_popescu;standing only comes at proceeding time. litigation starts with filing.
1509013;1469288925;interviewee;any ahole can file anything
1509014;1469288927;mircea_popescu;wouldn't be the first time someone files something that's then dismissed.
1509015;1469288928;mircea_popescu;quite.
1509016;1469288932;*;BingoBoingo popcorns
1509017;1469288935;interviewee;getting service and past a motion to dismiss is what i'm talkign about
1509018;1469288946;mircea_popescu;service is not so hard - you sue mit.
1509019;1469288949;mircea_popescu;they've got money.
1509020;1469288958;interviewee;then you open the box and deal with the endless array of new law to make
1509021;1469288959;BingoBoingo;I thought it was U Maryland
1509022;1469288969;interviewee;how do you coerce a blockchain with a court order?
1509023;1469288972;mircea_popescu;motion to dismiss you worry about after they reject early settlement. if they do.
1509024;1469288986;mircea_popescu;interviewee you can't be this naive. "a blockchain" ? you sue mit, the hedge fund.
1509025;1469288992;mircea_popescu;tortious interference &all.
1509026;1469289010;interviewee;so you want cash damages not to reverse the fork
1509027;1469289025;mircea_popescu;no, actually, im in the business of destroying the us.
1509028;1469289041;interviewee;so is about 1/2 of the voters in the US so you're in good company
1509029;1469289045;interviewee;*are
1509030;1469289048;mircea_popescu;also, there's exactly no difference between cash damages and reversing the fork.
1509031;1469289055;interviewee;one is MUCH easier to get
1509032;1469289062;mircea_popescu;they're both the same thing.
1509033;1469289084;mircea_popescu;ie, even if the judge orders "to reverse the fork" the only practical implementation is a liquidation in cash.
1509034;1469289087;interviewee;are you a lawyer, mircea?
1509035;1469289101;mircea_popescu;mno.
1509036;1469289113;interviewee;from my analysis of the toolbox available to lawyers, it is much easier to get a judgment and levy on conventional assets than to try to compel actors to change code.
1509037;1469289127;interviewee;esp. non party actors
1509038;1469289138;mircea_popescu;no argument there. all i'm saying is that even if the latter were ordered, it'd still not work.
1509039;1469289154;interviewee;the collateral damage tot he platform caused by a public suit would be breathtaking
1509040;1469289178;mircea_popescu;shinohai this means that the derps are in the worst case of all : all the damage of their "hard fork" is now baked in but nevertheless none of the things they hoped it would achieve were achieved.
1509041;1469289185;mircea_popescu;interviewee which is the point.
1509042;1469289197;interviewee;understood.
1509043;1469289215;interviewee;so yes, i think there's a credible arguement that the exploiter just lost rights.
1509044;1469289218;shinohai;it's already dead, but this is poking it with stick
1509045;1469289221;mircea_popescu;~anyone holding as much as a farthing "worth" of ethereum presently has overhead the possible claim here discussed, with its treble damages and whatnot.
1509046;1469289224;interviewee;and a shit load of hurdles to cross
1509047;1469289225;shinohai;to see what spills out?
1509048;1469289259;interviewee;so, i'm enjoying this quite a great deal
1509049;1469289278;mircea_popescu;and if mit doesn't distance itself from it post haste, it's definitely open to a tort, which... you know, judge awards a billion, of which 0.1% mit's responsibility. so they have TO PAY THRE WHOLE BILLION
1509050;1469289278;BingoBoingo;One can not decathalon to Olympus without jumping over some hurdles.
1509051;1469289281;mircea_popescu;us tort law is a wonder.
1509052;1469289318;interviewee;could be
1509053;1469289320;interviewee;or not.
1509054;1469289321;interviewee;unclear.
1509055;1469289340;interviewee;you have to remember the gatekeeper here is likely to be a +60yr old conservative christian white male
1509056;1469289355;interviewee;statistically, anyway, among US judges
1509057;1469289358;mircea_popescu;there is no gatekeeper. damages are jury awards.
1509058;1469289373;interviewee;respectfully you get to the jury at the end and there's a lot to do before the end.
1509059;1469289382;mircea_popescu;anyway, no way mit senior counsel ever allows this anywhere near a trial ; which is why it's fine settle fodder if you're looking to feed yourself.
1509060;1469289419;interviewee;ok, perhaps i am as naive as shinohai suggests, but where's the claim against MIT?
1509061;1469289438;interviewee;did they write any part of the slock.it code or solidity or ethereum?
1509062;1469289439;mircea_popescu;tortious interference. they provided the office space where the decision was made and allegedly "forced the participants to decide"
1509063;1469289456;mircea_popescu;the allegation has to be established by trier of fact, ie, jury.
1509064;1469289462;interviewee;what's the factual basis for the "forced the participants to decide"?
1509065;1469289470;mircea_popescu;they decided.
1509066;1469289479;interviewee;try again.
1509067;1469289486;interviewee;facts, not post-execution observations.
1509068;1469289492;interviewee;are there facts out there?
1509069;1469289500;mircea_popescu;not going to. the factual matter will have to be established somehow. you allege they did, they allege they didn't. so it's a dispute.
1509070;1469289531;interviewee;Rule 11- can't just sling shit and hope for the best
1509071;1469289532;mircea_popescu;in point of fact, ethereum happened in the mit media lab.
1509072;1469289534;mircea_popescu;that's ~enough.
1509073;1469289540;mircea_popescu;they did own the premises.
1509074;1469289543;interviewee;vitalik & crew built it there?
1509075;1469289549;mircea_popescu;yes.
1509076;1469289555;shinohai;of course they didn't, fork chain so this never, ever happened
1509077;1469289568;mircea_popescu;not really how it works shinohai :p
1509078;1469289572;shinohai;ikr
1509079;1469289592;interviewee;if you sign a contract for delivery of 50 tons of charcoal while sitting at the restaurant and the other party breaches 2 years later, you think you have a claim against the restaurant?
1509080;1469289625;mircea_popescu;but this is not a restaurant. if you decide to break into the democratic convention while sitting in nixon's white house, guess what.
1509081;1469289629;BingoBoingo;If the restaurant offered grant money to people selling charcoal chain mebbe?
1509082;1469289640;interviewee;there are lots of lawyers who would "just" want to file this to make their name
1509083;1469289645;mircea_popescu;yup.
1509084;1469289658;interviewee;a serious claim by a serious party with actual rights and i'm 100000000% down
1509085;1469289668;mircea_popescu;this is one of those million-dollar-opportunities, which i hear are getting rarer and rarer in an ever more crowded lawyer market.
1509086;1469289680;interviewee;yes and no.
1509087;1469289684;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1509088;1469289695;interviewee;they are out there but they are increasingly being regulated/legislated out
1509089;1469289699;interviewee;agree this may be a fun one
1509090;1469289705;mircea_popescu;anyway. there is no such thing as "actual rights" here, nor even as much as title. nobody has title to any cryptocurrency.
1509091;1469289717;interviewee;you have contingent claims and claims of control.
1509092;1469289732;mircea_popescu;sure, but that's possession not title.
1509093;1469289744;interviewee;there is no govt actor using police power to enforce like the fancy colored linen i used to buy my coffee this am
1509094;1469289753;interviewee;you can sue to enforce any part of yoru property rights
1509095;1469289757;interviewee;including posessory
1509096;1469289764;interviewee;in conversion, you don't lose legal title, just posessory
1509097;1469289771;mircea_popescu;sure, i don't mean "title to sue" i mean title as in property
1509098;1469289772;interviewee;conversion = civil version of theft
1509099;1469289774;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1509100;1469289794;interviewee;if you stole my stradivarious, i'd not lose title just posession
1509101;1469289798;interviewee;and you bet i'd sue your ass
1509102;1469289813;mircea_popescu;sure.
1509103;1469289817;mircea_popescu;(stradivarius)
1509104;1469289819;interviewee;even tho title stays with me
1509105;1469289830;interviewee;(i can't spell for shit)
1509106;1469289842;interviewee;even if you want to call it "right to control"
1509107;1469289843;interviewee;same diff
1509108;1469289850;mircea_popescu;aha.
1509109;1469289904;interviewee;so, i gave a talk about this at NYU 3 days before the exploiter did his/her/their thing
1509110;1469289911;interviewee;and presented a draft academic paper on it
1509111;1469289924;interviewee;and guessed right about many of the things that would or would not happen
1509112;1469289957;interviewee;including that there would be efforts to roll back
1509113;1469289965;interviewee;that would show that ETH is run by a cabal
1509114;1469289982;interviewee;but big picture
1509115;1469289986;mircea_popescu;not bad.
1509116;1469289991;interviewee;since the right are unsettled
1509117;1469290001;interviewee;and everyone was told they'd get what they get from hitting buttons
1509118;1469290018;shinohai;$up interviewee
1509119;1469290018;deedbot;interviewee voiced for 30 minutes.
1509120;1469290024;mircea_popescu;oh, right, there's also a whole pile of claims re insider trading, manipulation etc over the "price" of "ethereum" at kraken and poloniex.
1509121;1469290032;mircea_popescu;but those some later time.
1509122;1469290033;interviewee;sure, if you have standing to bring them
1509123;1469290041;interviewee;remember- you're getting past your gatekeeper
1509124;1469290046;interviewee;to reach the threat of the jury
1509125;1469290057;interviewee;and remmeber pubic stake holder impacts
1509126;1469290074;mircea_popescu;so far i'm just pointing and laughing at the sec.
1509127;1469290087;interviewee;sec is paying a lot of attention IMO
1509128;1469290091;interviewee;based on MO only
1509129;1469290106;interviewee;do not be surprised to see enw rules soon
1509130;1469290108;interviewee;*enw
1509131;1469290110;interviewee;fuck me. new
1509132;1469290111;mircea_popescu;if they paid attention when they should have they'd have busted pirate when i said to in 2012, not waited for years on the case.
1509133;1469290120;interviewee;easier to act in US
1509134;1469290123;mircea_popescu;their mistaken politico hope that "it'll end bitcoin" will require blood to wash off.
1509135;1469290124;interviewee;than out.
1509136;1469290136;interviewee;btc is probably not going anywhere
1509137;1469290146;interviewee;so, they just have to live with their new reality.
1509138;1469290162;mircea_popescu;heh. bitcoin is going to the following place : i'll be electing the us president long after nobody remembers what an us dollar used to be.
1509139;1469290198;interviewee;you and many smart people think so
1509140;1469290216;mircea_popescu;he does sound like a lawyer doesn't he :)
1509141;1469290232;interviewee;i'm trying to continue to learn, watch the fireworks, and help out where i can.
1509142;1469290245;interviewee;hey! i'm a lawyer who used to be tech. go easy on me.
1509143;1469290250;mircea_popescu;seriously, get a pgp and $register it
1509144;1469290268;interviewee;seriously,  i'll check it out.
1509145;1469290285;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1509146;1469290295;interviewee;so, as far as this front goes
1509147;1469290317;interviewee;i'm doing some more of the conferences to try to teach peopel to not make dao messes again
1509148;1469290324;interviewee;doing some academic and poppy writing
1509149;1469290344;*;mircea_popescu is curious what mr hinkes will think once he gets through the logs to the bitbet receivership process.
1509150;1469290354;mircea_popescu;interviewee you got a blog ?
1509151;1469290383;interviewee;and trying to work on some materials that will be used to guide businesses that want to play with smart contracts to keep them from blowing their own heads off DaoStyle
1509152;1469290389;interviewee;with some people at MSFT
1509153;1469290409;interviewee;blog is in process. my stuff is blasted across various sites
1509154;1469290419;interviewee;you have my name- google away
1509155;1469290419;mircea_popescu;yeah, get a blog, it's the smart move.
1509156;1469290444;interviewee;you'll probably agree with some of my stuff, which is cool. you'll probably disagree with some of my stuff which is cool too
1509157;1469290469;interviewee;i'm easy to find if anyone wants to
1509158;1469290475;mircea_popescu;anyway - since crypto governance interests you : bitbet was a reasonably productive bitcoin crop that split up over disputes inside management, was declared insolvent, had syndic appointed, was liquidated and the whole process was closed. it was a) an ad-hoc process and b) done within 6 weeks.
1509159;1469290479;mircea_popescu;prolly an informative case study.
1509160;1469290525;interviewee;in what jursidiction?
1509161;1469290525;shinohai;all without the benefit of flaming tires in a shitpit.
1509162;1469290532;mircea_popescu;tmsr.
1509163;1469290532;interviewee;lol. always preferred
1509164;1469290608;interviewee;i have rep'd a number of receivers
1509165;1469290623;interviewee;so the speed in whcih you can liquidate varies based on a number of factors
1509166;1469290631;mircea_popescu;certainly.
1509167;1469290633;interviewee;if you have cooperative parties, can go smooth and fast and cheap
1509168;1469290648;interviewee;if you have a party fighting (like one i am involved with atm) then its a mess
1509169;1469290648;mircea_popescu;i just said "over a dispute inside management" yes ?
1509170;1469290656;mircea_popescu;nightmare of nightmares in fiat world.
1509171;1469290665;interviewee;we're on day 4 of evidentiary hearings on a motion to dissolve
1509172;1469290668;mircea_popescu;closer to divorce proceeding than estate settlement
1509173;1469290681;interviewee;again, divorce can be a cheap one day affair or an attenuated mess
1509174;1469290709;mircea_popescu;something like in "war of the roses" :p
1509175;1469290716;mircea_popescu;you seen that one ?
1509176;1469290726;interviewee;sure. good flick
1509177;1469290731;mircea_popescu;aha.
1509178;1469290740;interviewee;anyway, i've rep'd receivers tht took over 9 digit scams
1509179;1469290748;interviewee;and rep'd trustees that took over ponzis
1509180;1469290753;interviewee;in the billions
1509181;1469290755;interviewee;so i know my way around
1509182;1469290758;interviewee;those circles
1509183;1469290779;interviewee;google a guy named scott rothstein
1509184;1469290783;mircea_popescu;what a crazy world, where idiots have billions to give to scammers.
1509185;1469290785;interviewee;we rep'd his trustee
1509186;1469290795;mircea_popescu;$google site:trilema.com scott rothstein
1509187;1469290795;deedbot;No results.
1509188;1469290800;mircea_popescu;eh get out google!
1509189;1469290813;interviewee;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_W._Rothstein
1509190;1469290831;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/un-model/ << 2010. i was following.
1509191;1469290868;mircea_popescu;guy was pretty epic, in fairness. teh roger stone quotes, nov vs july 2009 totally make the pie.
1509192;1469290881;interviewee;Kimmy is selling cars at a lexus dealer now.
1509193;1469290895;interviewee;he had hsi office across the street
1509194;1469290900;interviewee;*his
1509195;1469290921;mircea_popescu;how's debra & aimee doin' ?
1509196;1469290929;interviewee;i think still incarcerated
1509197;1469290930;interviewee;not sure
1509198;1469290935;mircea_popescu;aha.
1509199;1469290945;interviewee;greed gets the best of em
1509200;1469290964;mircea_popescu;no, was released 2014, pre -xmas
1509201;1469290978;interviewee;shit. i guess i'm not on their xmas card list.
1509202;1469291001;interviewee;shinohai, do you have any questions for me?
1509203;1469291039;shinohai;actually no, you summed up everything i wanted to know pretty well.
1509204;1469291064;shinohai;but i thank you for stopping in, this is a very interesting study
1509205;1469291082;*;mircea_popescu is kinda curious what qntra comes of this
1509206;1469291141;shinohai;I was curious what legal perspective in US was, thought it might end up as a Qntra
1509207;1469291146;shinohai;oh ^
1509208;1469291159;mircea_popescu;:p
1509209;1469291178;interviewee;ok cool.
1509210;1469291202;interviewee;well, i'm around and happy to join you gents/ladies if other similar issues crop up, so Shinohai, don't be shy if you want to bend my ear.
1509211;1469291323;shinohai;thanks! same here, consider bringing a gpg key to deedbot
1509212;1469291355;shinohai;im sure this dao brouhaha will bring lulz for years to come
1509213;1469291377;interviewee;well, my phone has  been ringing a lot
1509214;1469291385;interviewee;getting opps to go speak is good for visibility
1509215;1469291418;interviewee;and as long as people are going to play with these platforms, they might as well not shit it up like the Dao.
1509216;1469291483;shinohai;Good to see people that understand what utter shit these platforms are though.
1509217;1469291492;shinohai;i dont meet too many tbh
1509218;1469291613;interviewee;yea, its really concerning
1509219;1469291618;interviewee;because the hype cycle spins
1509220;1469291641;mircea_popescu;you should have seen the 2010-2011 interations of pointless&witless in action
1509221;1469291655;shinohai;its like some sort of ponzi kyklos
1509222;1469291660;interviewee;my boys with Bitcoin Uncensored just did a podcast with some VC guy who was remarkably honest in saying he doesnt know what a Blockchain is and just shills them b/c investors were told to buy them.
1509223;1469291693;shinohai;What color do you want that blockchain?
1509224;1469291714;shinohai;"mauve has the most ram"
1509225;1469291746;interviewee;lol
1509226;1469291771;interviewee;i am probably unpopular but i put somethign like this out there once and caught some shit for it
1509227;1469291796;interviewee;http://www.bizjournals.com/bizjournals/how-to/growth-strategies/2016/01/why-private-blockchains-will-not-replace-databases.html
1509228;1469291803;shinohai;someone has to stand up for immutability
1509229;1469292506;mircea_popescu;eh, nobody seriously aims to replace "dbs"
1509230;1469293456;mircea_popescu;and speaking of berger singerman, check out the urgent associate : http://www.bergersingerman.com/people/nicole-s-sohn
1509231;1469293485;mircea_popescu;no of counsel for her, she knows about hotels.
1509232;1469293849;mircea_popescu;and in other news, wifebeater breakfast. http://66.media.tumblr.com/5087aeddb007112f656fa399c5f6992d/tumblr_nkg8290G741tt1lr0o1_500.gif
1509233;1469294710;*;hanbot gets halfway through mircea_popescu's latest article, still has no cloo
1509234;1469294715;hanbot;who the fuck is fred wilson?!
1509235;1469294719;mircea_popescu;heh.
1509236;1469294766;mircea_popescu;he's the wife of the woman that thinks http://gothamgal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/oysters-450x600.jpg some peak of elegance. notwithstanding the ax-hewn cutlery.
1509237;1469295341;hanbot;...somebody teach me something quick so i can overwrite that
1509238;1469295609;mircea_popescu;ok. this is adriana chechik : http://67.media.tumblr.com/3a1a3b9e1c42d8ba0f166e113b2fbaba/tumblr_niyd7s5Xvj1tkpgw6o3_r1_500.gif
1509239;1469295680;hanbot;what, both?
1509240;1469295694;mircea_popescu;lol
1509241;1469296020;phf;"gothamgal"
1509242;1469296123;phf;"The Women’s Entrepreneurs Festival"
1509243;1469296161;phf;"while I work hard, I also play hard."
1509244;1469296176;phf;"My husband is my best friend. When I take off all of these “hats”, my most important job is being a mom. We have three kids who are terrific people."
1509245;1469296191;mircea_popescu;hey, better a delusional "entrepreneur" than a common wino. housewife dun got so many options.
1509246;1469296233;mircea_popescu;hanbot hey, speaking of, wanna go for some oysters ?
1509247;1469296308;phf;i'd be envious, but after all the other argentina reports, i don't trust that experience to be any good
1509248;1469296309;*;phf ducks
1509249;1469296347;mircea_popescu;well there IS a river right here...
1509250;1469296356;hanbot;mircea_popescu do they look like adriana chechik?
1509251;1469296380;mircea_popescu;nono, the seafood. i mean... the mollusc.
1509252;1469296388;mircea_popescu;damn.
1509253;1469296393;phf;well, that's what i thought, but trust it to argentinians to fuck it up somehow. ship oysters from boston, because "american" or whatever else
1509254;1469296408;mircea_popescu;crassostrea or w/e it's called
1509255;1469296457;mircea_popescu;phf in fariness i had some pretty great oysters on boston wharf.
1509256;1469296473;hanbot;well the japanese pop here might make decent oysters, sureh
1509257;1469298380;mod6;oh hey, interesting log read this am.
1509258;1469299158;deedbot;[Qntra] Major Socialist Party Emails Free In Time For Convention - http://qntra.net/2016/07/major-socialist-party-emails-free-in-time-for-convention/
1509259;1469299476;phf;%s foo
1509260;1469299477;*;asciilifeform takes in logz at beach 
1509261;1469299499;phf;oh
1509262;1469299501;phf;$s foo
1509263;1469299502;a111;162 results for "foo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=foo
1509264;1469299514;phf;$seen blah
1509265;1469299535;phf;;;seen yourmom
1509266;1469299536;gribble;I have not seen yourmom.
1509267;1469299591;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1508943 << win
1509268;1469299592;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 10:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.228.159 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.228.159 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+74.45.228.
1509269;1469299606;asciilifeform;moar actual-rsa pops
1509270;1469299621;phf;asciilifeform: ocean city?
1509271;1469299642;asciilifeform;lewes
1509272;1469299717;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1508983 << you mean  - add to!
1509273;1469299717;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 15:43 mircea_popescu: the actual legal standing is not established. it's one of those things that are a huge pile of nonsense a judge will have to cut through.
1509274;1469299738;phf;way classier, if that term applies to the md/de/va beach area, but missing out on throngs of russian work exchange crowd :>
1509275;1469299779;asciilifeform;lel classy
1509276;1469299784;phf;:D
1509277;1469299799;asciilifeform;strictly 'people of lolmart' here
1509278;1469299866;phf;right, lewes vs ocean city is slightly skewed from fat 16 yeard olds to fat 60 yr olds, but it's not as much of shitshow
1509279;1469299890;asciilifeform;both here
1509280;1469299906;asciilifeform;and the obligatory tatooed chix also.
1509281;1469300979;asciilifeform;'In 2009 Rothstein resided at the Federal Detention Center, Miami in Downtown Miami,[15] but was later moved to an undisclosed location and his inmate number removed from the Federal Bureau of Prisons inmate locator webpage.' << is there a legal logic for this?
1509282;1469301022;asciilifeform;... or did hitler let him go, for a chunk of the change.
1509283;1469301056;asciilifeform;or shot , so he could not implicate untouchables.
1509284;1469301113;asciilifeform;'On September 8, 2011, U.S. District Judge James I. Cohn granted the government's motion to prohibit videotaping Rothstein during a scheduled deposition of him, citing “serious harm” and “security reasons that are unusual in nature.” The exact reasons for the judge's decision were sealed. '
1509285;1469301117;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1509286;1469301346;mats;worried about getting murdered by the folks he stole from, perhaps?
1509287;1469301968;asciilifeform;mats: why would judge give half a fuck about this?
1509288;1469302049;mats;i can think of half a dozen reasons, all to do with publicity, subversion of justice, and embarrassing the court
1509289;1469302092;mats;i believe this sorta thing is common for high profile cases
1509290;1469302240;mats;;;google site:ponzitracker.com sealed indictment
1509291;1469302241;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1509292;1469302577;shinohai;;;later tell thestringpuller http://archive.is/oK8dV
1509293;1469302578;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509294;1469302673;shinohai;mircea_popescu: wp isn't so bad once server is tweaked a little
1509295;1469303570;deedbot;[Qntra] Oklahomo Police Sniper Kills Child's Dog - http://qntra.net/2016/07/oklahomo-police-sniper-kills-childs-dog/
1509296;1469306344;ben_vulpes;my insurance company politely declined to pay for the infant's herd immunity.
1509297;1469306356;ben_vulpes;despite it being mandated to make payments.
1509298;1469306367;ben_vulpes;despite my having to pay for it.
1509299;1469306376;ben_vulpes;grand fucking insu^H^H^H^Hgosplan
1509300;1469308144;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1508941 << btw: usa, pennsylvania, 'frontier dsl'
1509301;1469308144;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 10:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12821434770207124962218342772669979580034410699894792217009678098194556802269429235901909465304384529740402801239415068853092063888103297243254641064047113 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.125 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.125 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+74.45.231.
1509302;1469308194;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509295 << they break into houses and kill pets for a reason: to remind plebes who is boss.
1509303;1469308194;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 19:52 deedbot: [Qntra] Oklahomo Police Sniper Kills Child's Dog - http://qntra.net/2016/07/oklahomo-police-sniper-kills-childs-dog/
1509304;1469308219;asciilifeform;try breaking into clitler's house and killing so much as her pet flea.
1509305;1469308224;asciilifeform;see what happens.
1509306;1469308382;asciilifeform;speaking of snipers, anyone recall lon horiuchi ?
1509307;1469308390;asciilifeform;$s horiuchi
1509308;1469308390;a111;9 results for "horiuchi", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=horiuchi
1509309;1469308411;asciilifeform;still a free man.
1509310;1469308453;asciilifeform;living quite openly, in usa, iirc.
1509311;1469308499;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-08#1266237
1509312;1469308499;a111;Logged on 2015-09-08 03:24 asciilifeform: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/william-norman-grigg/lon-horiuchi-american-sniper << for folks unfamiliar with the figure
1509313;1469308725;asciilifeform;'hero' of waco and ruby ridge.
1509314;1469309932;BingoBoingo;$up thortron
1509315;1469309932;deedbot;thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
1509316;1469312940;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509260 << anything came of that polymorphic zip btw ?
1509317;1469312940;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 18:44 asciilifeform takes in logz at beach
1509318;1469313362;mircea_popescu;and in other "nobody reads trilema" news, http://trilema.com/2016/cargo-cults-a-case-study/#comment-118212
1509319;1469314858;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509316 << i did bring it with me. but not yet dealt with it...
1509320;1469314858;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 22:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509260 << anything came of that polymorphic zip btw ?
1509321;1469315274;mircea_popescu;hey, did i ever publish the pics of that fabulous old cameras and photo gear bar ?
1509322;1469315370;asciilifeform;not iirc
1509323;1469315399;mircea_popescu;ah then i'm doing that.
1509324;1469317494;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509312 << nb.
1509325;1469317494;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 21:14 a111: Logged on 2015-09-08 03:24 asciilifeform: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/william-norman-grigg/lon-horiuchi-american-sniper << for folks unfamiliar with the figure
1509326;1469317774;mircea_popescu;http://66.media.tumblr.com/ddd4499c214070dd36aa57d07cbadf7e/tumblr_n83wzgsmI31sjo6cco1_400.gif << you haven't even seen my final form!
1509327;1469318153;deedbot;[Trilema] Cerrado for duelo, the aliens have landed, the camera bar and other strange - http://trilema.com/2016/cerrado-for-duelo-the-aliens-have-landed-the-camera-bar-and-other-strange/
1509328;1469320002;BingoBoingo;$up thortron
1509329;1469320002;deedbot;thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
1509330;1469320003;BingoBoingo;?
1509331;1469320114;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1509332;1469320116;gribble;Current Blocks: 422020 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1339 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1509333;1469320120;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1509334;1469320126;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 655.6, vol: 1198.27680929 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 649.38, vol: 2193.14869 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 655.77, vol: 9644.79851049 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 653.439085, vol: 83342.07730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 654.599, vol: 701.83913138 | Volume-weighted last average: 653.614017551
1509335;1469320320;*;BingoBoingo claps http://www.loper-os.org/
1509336;1469320332;thortron;BingoBoingo eh nothing to say just lurking.  Will pipe up when I can help on a task.
1509337;1469320334;*;BingoBoingo claps for http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1662
1509338;1469320364;BingoBoingo;thortron: But, you really can't say I used to be X without... supporting the assertion?
1509339;1469320474;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/further-views-6.jpg << lel, photoguillotine
1509340;1469320480;thortron;BingoBoingo: If you ask gernika, I'm sure he would say "I agree."
1509341;1469320493;asciilifeform;(daguerreotine!?)
1509342;1469320551;thortron;BingoBoingo: in anycase consider the claim retracted, as attempting to prove it with a signed statement saying "I agree" would make any attempt to prove it worthless.
1509343;1469320623;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski C17H13ClN4 can be a lot of things, gotta present the atoms in a way the clarifies the structure
1509344;1469320624;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509345;1469320751;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no dude that's an ancient daguerotype thing
1509346;1469320764;mircea_popescu;prolly took wyat earp's picture
1509347;1469320784;asciilifeform;i can tell, these also came with fixators for heads
1509348;1469320790;mircea_popescu;lol
1509349;1469320801;asciilifeform;(so patient dun wiggle during portraiture)
1509350;1469320950;mircea_popescu;http://www.splendormag.com/2015/10/have-you-heard-of-kayan-mata-herbs-big.html << random collection of everyone-knows-es. complete with image of african national behelding grannie panties.
1509351;1469320956;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every time i go to a junk shop, the kind with profusion of old photo gear - and that's ~all junk shops, incl. the ones i went to in b-a : i think of how the camera was in some ways the pc of its day : 1,001 vendors cranking out 'us, too'
1509352;1469320969;mircea_popescu;yup.
1509353;1469320994;mircea_popescu;very much the 1800s computer, really. including apple hipsterism and the whole array of social peribehaviours
1509354;1469321016;asciilifeform;1,001 vendors, 1,000,001 interchangeable and often incompatible and often quasi-disposable widgets.
1509355;1469321027;asciilifeform;and yes!
1509356;1469321041;mircea_popescu;i suspect these actually form a class, something like "escapist technologies". up until recent "steampunk" revival, steam engine and metalworking did not enjoy same position.
1509357;1469321070;mircea_popescu;while certainly being much more commonly seen ; important, useful, successful, you name it.
1509358;1469321081;asciilifeform;eh the 'steampunk' folk mostly 'work' in broken clocks and epoxy
1509359;1469321088;mircea_popescu;aha
1509360;1469321090;asciilifeform;mishmash of sad gears etc.
1509361;1469321114;asciilifeform;like barbarians gluing pieces of roman mosaic to sword hilts.
1509362;1469321115;mircea_popescu;but from a cultural (as opposed to a civilisational) perspective, they're doing a (belated) digestion of a large field. ie, they're finally apple-izing it.
1509363;1469321136;mircea_popescu;things the actual people involved would have never done.
1509364;1469321143;asciilifeform;not 'it' but the corpse.
1509365;1469321170;asciilifeform;dunno what broken pocketwatches have to do with the steam titans of isembard brunel.
1509366;1469321266;asciilifeform;camera, on other hand, ~was~ 'escapist tech', brute brain melted when given his bit of 'dunno how it worx! miracle!111' magic
1509367;1469321274;asciilifeform;as then later with pc etc.
1509368;1469321301;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 experiment was successful
1509369;1469321301;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509370;1469321327;BingoBoingo;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3112051/It-s-fault-m-fat-Overweight-10-year-old-says-s-obese-mother-wants-government-fund-trip-4-000-weight-loss-boot-camp.html
1509371;1469321377;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja look in the stereoscope?
1509372;1469321393;BingoBoingo;"Ms Thomson, who is currently unemployed, said she was left heartbroken when one day Holly-Ann came home and asked, 'mum, why did you make me fat?'"
1509373;1469321397;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/further-views-13.jpg <<
1509374;1469321704;mircea_popescu;yeh.
1509375;1469321770;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: and?
1509376;1469322033;mircea_popescu;well, not much to see and i didn't want to move it.
1509377;1469322106;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone ever had burrata ?
1509378;1469322200;asciilifeform;sounds mouthwatering
1509379;1469322207;*;asciilifeform implodes.
1509380;1469322224;mircea_popescu;?
1509381;1469322378;asciilifeform;just thinking about Real Food (tm)
1509382;1469322388;mircea_popescu;yeah the local variant is nb.
1509383;1469322406;mircea_popescu;it's an iffy cheese, one of the few that do not age period. about as bad as seafood.
1509384;1469322485;asciilifeform;hey lutefisk ages!!!1
1509385;1469322494;asciilifeform;and rakefisk..
1509386;1469323776;thestringpuller;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnZ4ET1VIAAdyxC.jpg:large << I know Ver-IFIED is almost milked dry, but is this what happens when you defect out of naive idealism?
1509387;1469323799;thestringpuller;seems dude is borderline fugitive
1509388;1469323827;thestringpuller;s/fugitive/exile
1509389;1469325194;BingoBoingo;Imma qntra it
1509390;1469326225;deedbot;[Qntra] Canada Avoids Roger VER-ification - http://qntra.net/2016/07/canada-avoids-roger-ver-ification/
1509391;1469326553;BingoBoingo;In other news, apparently in Preet Baharara land they eat luffa https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Ridge_gourd%28_beerakai_%29.jpg/800px-Ridge_gourd%28_beerakai_%29.jpg
1509392;1469327571;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thinking about it, there were historical attempts to morph clockwork into "escapist tech". some idiots were literally tryingm to make tin women, hence story of gepeto and such nonsense.
1509393;1469327587;mircea_popescu;it never took off, the suspension of disbelief required too great i guess.
1509394;1469327691;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509392 << von kempelen et al
1509395;1469327691;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 02:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, there were historical attempts to morph clockwork into "escapist tech". some idiots were literally tryingm to make tin women, hence story of gepeto and such nonsense.
1509396;1469327702;asciilifeform;but it was side show, because hand-made.
1509397;1469327728;asciilifeform;also because people stupid enough to actually 'tin woman' were not yet born.
1509398;1469327805;mircea_popescu;nah, people stupid enough were born in the age of praxiteles.
1509399;1469327878;asciilifeform;'axenic-mouse'-man did not yet live.
1509400;1469327886;mircea_popescu;lived, lived.
1509401;1469327929;asciilifeform;where
1509402;1469327932;asciilifeform;.
1509403;1469327938;asciilifeform;?
1509404;1469327943;mircea_popescu;in every palace there ever was.
1509405;1469328073;asciilifeform;what do palace dwellers need ~tin~ woman for??
1509406;1469328094;mircea_popescu;narcissus problems.
1509407;1469328111;asciilifeform;hm.
1509408;1469328141;*;asciilifeform stumped, on account of insufficient dirigible experience 
1509409;1469328145;mircea_popescu;to small children and retarded adults, normal people (eg http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/ ) seem "dirty".
1509410;1469328152;mircea_popescu;which is why calling them axenic is especialloy apt.
1509411;1469328572;mircea_popescu;in other news "hot pursuit" is an ok comedy. sofia vergara is dumb as a doorknob, but smoking hot ; reese witherspoon is maturing into a remarkable actress. if she keeps up she'll end up a sort of her generation's maryl streep.
1509412;1469328680;asciilifeform;in otherer still nyooz, holy shit, i found a hidden bottle of ... halon, in this house. stamped 1986.
1509413;1469328686;asciilifeform;unused.
1509414;1469328704;BingoBoingo;lol
1509415;1469328712;BingoBoingo;hidden where?
1509416;1469328729;asciilifeform;behind a cabinet
1509417;1469328756;asciilifeform;was doing some repairs and found.
1509418;1469328782;mircea_popescu;isn't that toxic ?
1509419;1469328792;asciilifeform;halon?!
1509420;1469328800;asciilifeform;interesting precisely because not.
1509421;1469328805;asciilifeform;go, breathe
1509422;1469328829;asciilifeform;inert to man, like freon, and banned to all but usg
1509423;1469328844;mircea_popescu;ah yes, the danger was asphyxiation not toxicity.
1509424;1469328855;asciilifeform;again no.
1509425;1469328866;asciilifeform;did NOT work by displacing oxygen.
1509426;1469328870;mircea_popescu;hm.
1509427;1469328876;mircea_popescu;why exactly was a halon dump dangerous ?
1509428;1469328881;asciilifeform;but by removing the coordination complex you need for combustion.
1509429;1469328921;asciilifeform;halon dump was not dangerous , as such. but the co2 tanks that replaced it by usg fiat - WOULD kill.
1509430;1469328927;asciilifeform;via simple asphyxia.
1509431;1469328929;mircea_popescu;hm.
1509432;1469328961;asciilifeform;glorious gas, a few % in a room, can breathe ok, but cannot light a cig.
1509433;1469329044;asciilifeform;today halon is a costly rarity and sought out by car collectors and other folk who own flammable and easily-destroyed items
1509434;1469329061;mircea_popescu;well so trhen good for you.
1509435;1469329061;asciilifeform;of the irreplaceable kind
1509436;1469329100;asciilifeform;anyway lulzy, that bottle was sold at ordinary kitchen shops during the last hurrah era of usa.
1509437;1469329184;asciilifeform;reagan was on the throne, lispm's - running, sciam - in print, usd - worth something, sought after by orcs..
1509438;1469329211;asciilifeform;halon, freon!!
1509439;1469329218;mircea_popescu;dun worry, they'll make it great again.
1509440;1469329223;asciilifeform;lel
1509441;1469329313;mircea_popescu;not so expensive, 50 bux a pound
1509442;1469329332;asciilifeform;where?
1509443;1469329353;asciilifeform;keep in mind, 'halotron' != halon.
1509444;1469329357;mats;i'm reading on a cdc site that halon is approx. as toxic to humans as co2
1509445;1469329367;mircea_popescu; https://www.amazon.com/Amerex-B355T-Halon-Class-Extinguisher/dp/B00F5CK6HU
1509446;1469329368;mats;http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/124389.html and http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/idlh/75638.html
1509447;1469329371;asciilifeform;mats: that is, not at all
1509448;1469329376;mircea_popescu;mats well, co2 isn't toxic.
1509449;1469329389;mats;ok, ok, 'Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health Concentrations (IDLH)'
1509450;1469329399;asciilifeform;naturally it isn't air
1509451;1469329412;asciilifeform;but you dun need to displace the air, is the point.
1509452;1469329425;asciilifeform;works great in entirely breathable concentrations.
1509453;1469329432;mircea_popescu;"car" is also not toxic, unless large concentration in your liver.
1509454;1469329440;asciilifeform;aha.
1509455;1469329481;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform funny, they DO charge hazmat to ship.
1509456;1469329490;mircea_popescu;fucking derps. any fucking excuse.
1509457;1469329492;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because pressure.
1509458;1469329506;asciilifeform;same for co2 or any other extinguisher.
1509459;1469329514;mircea_popescu;anyway. 150lb for 7k.
1509460;1469329521;asciilifeform;any item that can pop.
1509461;1469329538;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these bottles are ancient and come with authentication problem.
1509462;1469329551;mircea_popescu;apparently still used in aviation.
1509463;1469329559;mircea_popescu;i can see why.
1509464;1469329565;asciilifeform;(quite likely to be either empty, underpressure, or 'halotron' substitute.)
1509465;1469329570;mircea_popescu;neways, im off.
1509466;1469330027;BingoBoingo;http://www.returnofkings.com/91081/an-unsung-hero-the-legend-of-danny-roxo
1509467;1469330218;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/16PJ
1509468;1469330218;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509469;1469330223;BingoBoingo;ty
1509470;1469330547;deedbot;[Qntra] Miami Man Shot By Police With Hands Up, Survives - http://qntra.net/2016/07/miami-man-shot-by-police-with-hands-up-survives/
1509471;1469330806;mod6;<+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 experiment was successful << oh hey! didn't see this before. thanks!
1509472;1469331502;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4u6p13/ethereum_and_construction/ << Hardfork yourself to free carpentry. If you want paid don't do Jesus Profession!
1509473;1469335192;BingoBoingo;What every redditor wants, hell https://archive.is/MbTCA
1509474;1469339132;BingoBoingo;Trendy https://sli.mg/a/Mi9w3p
1509475;1469339589;mats;i presume they're plugged into an external battery, since the thing eats power like a motherfucker?
1509476;1469339687;mats;(i refer to the white cables in the first photo)
1509477;1469339780;BingoBoingo;I kinda wonder why they don't sew a mesh into themselves and use their Beetus as a fuel cell to charge phone.
1509478;1469340270;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4867
1509479;1469340336;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4865
1509480;1469341751;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4861
1509481;1469341901;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4864
1509482;1469343472;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1509483;1469343474;gribble;Current Blocks: 422048 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1311 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1509484;1469343484;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1509485;1469343489;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4359.69, vol: 79837.58440000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4359.69
1509486;1469344041;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2015/03/burnout/
1509487;1469344218;mats;couple of my female coworkers actually cry at work
1509488;1469344229;mats;it's awkward
1509489;1469344247;mats;and obviously attention seeking
1509490;1469359085;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/16VX
1509491;1469359085;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509492;1469366341;thestringpuller;whoa. ethereum chain is committing warfare.
1509493;1469366841;shinohai;yup
1509494;1469366858;shinohai;or "lol, warfare"
1509495;1469367819;thestringpuller;All the ether and DAO huffers were like, "We are just doing this cause we have no other choice! We have to fork cause Vitalik told us Ethereum dies if we dont!"
1509496;1469367829;thestringpuller;okay so they fork but still try to keep the moral high ground
1509497;1469367856;thestringpuller;Then they begin to attack the competing chain, so where is the moral high ground now?
1509498;1469369337;thestringpuller;so i just realized something
1509499;1469369347;thestringpuller;the dao attacker can now even the playing field
1509500;1469369396;thestringpuller;if poloniex opens up margin trading between ETH/ETC pairs
1509501;1469369421;thestringpuller;dao attacker would just short normal ethereum
1509502;1469369442;thestringpuller;damn what a mess. exactly what we predicted would happen in a hard fork.
1509503;1469369773;shinohai;trb users unaffected
1509504;1469369780;thestringpuller;:D
1509505;1469371949;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509470 << this is pretty bad news, innit. just like for any other criminal gang.
1509506;1469371949;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 03:22 deedbot: [Qntra] Miami Man Shot By Police With Hands Up, Survives - http://qntra.net/2016/07/miami-man-shot-by-police-with-hands-up-survives/
1509507;1469372227;mircea_popescu; https://i.sli.mg/Dm2kPa.jpg << ok i lolled
1509508;1469372320;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509486 << "daily cry at work" ? "due" to "burnout" ? fire the fucking hr department from head to toe. wtf are they thinking hiring all the border sleeves.
1509509;1469372321;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 07:07 BingoBoingo: http://gomerblog.com/2015/03/burnout/
1509510;1469372424;mircea_popescu;"Charles informed me that my name is mud on something called reditt, a big reposting site." << lol nb.
1509511;1469372529;mircea_popescu;"This year, so far, I have completed and published 36 titles and hope to wrap up eight more next month." << da fuck ? what's at work here, does he title his paragraphs individually ? there's enough articles to fill maybe half a book, is he not publishing most of his material ?
1509512;1469372538;mircea_popescu;what are these titles, pdf files ?
1509513;1469372738;mircea_popescu;oh i get it, guy's excited that http://www.jameslafond.com/?f=site ie, most traffix since we've started linking him. people and numbers, be they random or anything else.
1509514;1469372818;thestringpuller;in other lulz, Emin Gün Sirer, has gone full derp now. Tweets: "Anyone can fork any chain at any time."
1509515;1469372832;mircea_popescu;tell him i'll fork his ugly goatherding mother.
1509516;1469372833;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots.
1509517;1469372871;mircea_popescu;"8. The police are more likely to attack black suspects than whites. Untrue. [Look, Tyrone 4 times as many pale faces are killed by pigs every year than are blacks."  << this is a broken argument. if there's one baby and a hundred sluts and the police kills one baby and one slut, it is therefore fair to say the police is more likely to attack babies than sluts.
1509518;1469372926;mircea_popescu;there's only 1/9 or so black dudes around in the us, prolly even less seeing how illegals are mostly non black and blacks don't have enough skillz to even be illegal in the first place. so then 1/4 ain't enough.
1509519;1469372959;mircea_popescu;9 is nonsense also, but too complicated sociology involved to be worth the stating.
1509520;1469373588;thestringpuller;that's an interesting point. how is it that blacks are shot more often than their majority counterparts?
1509521;1469374068;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509470 << this is pretty bad news, innit. just like for any other criminal gang. << Honestly this one kinda seems intentional for the social engineering value
1509522;1469374068;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 03:22 deedbot: [Qntra] Miami Man Shot By Police With Hands Up, Survives - http://qntra.net/2016/07/miami-man-shot-by-police-with-hands-up-survives/
1509523;1469374107;BingoBoingo;Has aspies, black man named Charles, too many lulz almost to be purely coincidental
1509524;1469374181;mircea_popescu;heh
1509525;1469374278;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller because they're poorer, which makes them more frequently be in the kill zone (do man-hours spent being a ghetto prop for each pop and see) ; and cowardlier, which makes them more frequently misproject their threat footprint. (ie, whites carry concealed or discreetly, loaded weapons ; blacks carry visibly and loudly unloaded, often not even functional, or useful weapons - cue the derp with the assault rifle in
1509526;1469374279;mircea_popescu;the bathroom.)
1509527;1469374359;mircea_popescu;all in all i'd guess 1/4 is just about fair, really, but from this level of zoom-out the queen of england seems somewhat hot and hilary clinton seems like she might have a chance.
1509528;1469374453;BingoBoingo;Actually I though the stats came out and blacks WEREN'T shot more often. Now they were beat more often and suffered every other many of humiliation far more often, but the rate of shooting was the same.
1509529;1469374499;mircea_popescu;i didn't really follow the matter. maybe.
1509530;1469374560;BingoBoingo;Someone actually did the numbers on shootings over some period of time. Poor white males get shot most, as they always have been.
1509531;1469374677;mircea_popescu;and forever should be.
1509532;1469374694;BingoBoingo;Amen
1509533;1469374898;deedbot;[Qntra] Major Huffing Exchange To Trade Tokens From Surviving, Time Traveling Theft Free, Side Of Split - http://qntra.net/2016/07/major-huffing-exchange-to-trade-tokens-from-surviving-time-traveling-theft-free-side-of-split/
1509534;1469374903;BingoBoingo;http://gomerblog.com/2016/07/pikachu-spotted-mans-colon/
1509535;1469375108;mircea_popescu;re that : imagine the lulz when a) turns out the miners attack the "good" fork ; and b) the legal liability on the head of mit discussed yesterday STILL DOESNT GO AWAY.
1509536;1469375162;*;mircea_popescu waves at asciilifeform, now i'll forever reference http://trilema.com/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you as "that article that cost me 50mn to write, according to alf's data."
1509537;1469375405;BingoBoingo;lol
1509538;1469375564;thestringpuller;looks like the classic chain is picking up hashpower. difficulty is skyrocketing.
1509539;1469375626;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no but he gotta learn the importance of giving the idiots time to invest themselves in the wrong side of the dispute.
1509540;1469375649;mircea_popescu;obv next week it'll be all "oh we never said eth fork worked and therefore bitcoin should blablabla". BUT
1509541;1469375655;mircea_popescu;what they say only matters when it hurts them.
1509542;1469375666;mircea_popescu;that's why it's called "legal proceedings"
1509543;1469375699;BingoBoingo;Deese Der Derp Days Durr Derp Lives
1509544;1469375713;thestringpuller;i attribute this to lack of patience. everyone jumps the gun, instead of "wait and see approach". The Silicon Valley approach to "move quick and break thigns as long as you make fake money" seems to be infecting the entire world.
1509545;1469375741;thestringpuller;meanwhile "NO ONE COULD HAVE PREDICTED!!!!!!!!!!111"
1509546;1469375750;thestringpuller;when it was over a year ago
1509547;1469375750;BingoBoingo;Which is all fine when its your own things but when you tell other people you are doing this thing to their things it gets messy
1509548;1469376034;mircea_popescu;nah, it's a very strict "look at the upside only" nonsense, which is what passes for "critical thinking" in the usg concentration camp. and HAS TO, it's not that usg is evil, is that the stupidity of the muppets in a socialist state IS REQUIRED. they MUST only see the upside, else their entire nonsensical "State" stops working.
1509549;1469376063;mircea_popescu;this however leaves them very fucking exposed, because they wet panties over "oh, hard fork ethereum will set such great example!!1eleven". it will. for whom ?
1509550;1469376092;mircea_popescu;that's where "nobody could have predicted" cuts in : nobody THAT WAS A GOOD SOCIALIST DERP could have predicted, because in order to be a socialist derp it is verboten to consider the downside. of anything.
1509551;1469376113;mircea_popescu;because if you do consider undersides, socialism becomes a laughable proposition. but if you don't... why, best system evar!
1509552;1469376117;thestringpuller;reminds me of an article I read about "successful people" and that when you read a success story you only read about their successes, not their failures. the avoidance of failure in this culture is profound.
1509553;1469376126;thestringpuller;to the point i think people actually dress up failure as "success"
1509554;1469376152;mircea_popescu;if it were avoidance of failuire per se, at least it'd be something. but it is avoidance OF THE REPRESENTATION of failure. it's not that they try not to fail ; they try to not think about failing in any way.
1509555;1469376161;mircea_popescu;a cognitive misprocess which virtually ensures failure.
1509556;1469376174;mircea_popescu;nobody ever succeeded yet in the history of human life but by avoiding failing.
1509557;1469376231;thestringpuller;aha. so more of the embracing of failure (if it so happens), and learning from it.
1509558;1469376260;mircea_popescu;no, more of "fuck, if we try a fork and we get overrun we're fucked - not only the legal mess we're in doesn't improve, but we lose control altogether"
1509559;1469376325;thestringpuller;oh yea. in this scenario it seems like there were many decisions made without evaluating potential aftermath.
1509560;1469376423;mircea_popescu;how do they get married ? "oh, wouldn't this woman be hot if she were hot ?" "she's a neurotic mess, and unable to stand on her own" "yes but IF!"
1509561;1469376464;mircea_popescu;how do they buy a house ? "oh wouldn't this be a great house if it were a great house ?" "you don't get title, the credit terms are insane, the interest is massively overpriced, you give away all negotiating position and the house is a shitfarm in a shithole" "YES BUT IF!"
1509562;1469376481;thestringpuller;hey! if the streets can teach you anything it should be, "you can't turn a ho into a housewife"
1509563;1469376482;mircea_popescu;how do they do anything they do ?
1509564;1469376511;mircea_popescu;The bad thing about television is that everybody you see on television is doing something better than what you're doing. Did you ever see anybody on TV like just sliding off the front of the sofa with potato chip crumbs on their face? Some people have a little too much fun on television: the soda commercial people - where do they summon this enthusiasm? Have you seen them? "We have soda, we have soda, we have soda", jumping,
1509565;1469376511;mircea_popescu;laughing, flying through the air - it's a can of soda. Have you ever been standing there and you're watching TV and you're drinking the exact same product that they're advertising right there on TV, and it's like, you know, they're spiking volleyballs, jetskiing, girls in bikinis and I'm standing there - "Maybe I'm putting too much ice in mine."
1509566;1469376516;mircea_popescu;the "marketing educated mind".
1509567;1469376526;mircea_popescu;hence memes - the natural byproduct of the MEM.
1509568;1469376602;thestringpuller;oh god, now I'm going to go on a seinfeld bender.
1509569;1469376608;mircea_popescu;laters.
1509570;1469377039;BingoBoingo;In other huffing news https://www.reddit.com/r/landscaping/comments/4u8nl4/neighbors_encroaching_drainage/
1509571;1469377099;BingoBoingo;"They are dumb and giving you free water. I would make a wetlands, build a pond, or divert it all to a new garden. I'd also threaten to sue and demand they fund said project. That way you get a water source and a new garden installation."
1509572;1469377115;BingoBoingo;"I get your point, but I'm in central North Carolina where we generally don't have water shortage problems, and I don't really want my side yard to become a swamp and mosquito breeding ground. "
1509573;1469379114;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509536 << waiwut
1509574;1469379114;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 15:46 mircea_popescu waves at asciilifeform, now i'll forever reference http://trilema.com/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you as "that article that cost me 50mn to write, according to alf's data."
1509575;1469379415;mircea_popescu;that is a very unhelpful error message.
1509576;1469379487;asciilifeform;cost 50m << еггог: ???
1509577;1469379575;mircea_popescu;you forgot yest's discussion re this thing ? fine, ill dig it up
1509578;1469379641;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507099
1509579;1469379641;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 15:10 asciilifeform: why bother with the etherape thing only to release the mouse, still alive and well, from the mousetrap later ?
1509580;1469379652;asciilifeform;ah ok yes
1509581;1469379692;asciilifeform;the specific number tripped me
1509582;1469379717;mircea_popescu;:p
1509583;1469379754;mircea_popescu;it's the official value attached to the entirely worthless bundle of tokens in question.
1509584;1469379802;*;asciilifeform avoided knowing this, somehow, possibly because the fictional figure in question got gc'd in my head as soon as it entered
1509585;1469379854;mircea_popescu;actually thestringpuller has a decent piece on some other scamcoin explaining how this "per token value with a cap" works. what was it called, steaming-pile-of-shit ? something like this.
1509586;1469379866;mircea_popescu;"worth a dollar each up to a total of fiddy bucks ; there's ten million circulating"
1509587;1469379899;mircea_popescu;if you recall the workings of "ration cards" during famine, you pretty much got the whole scheme of this "technological advance"
1509588;1469379901;*;asciilifeform never actually believed in stock valuations, either of good or evil; they are like the voltage on a dead lithium battery, put on a real load and it --> 0 quickly
1509589;1469379910;mircea_popescu;ancient chinese tech.
1509590;1469379964;mircea_popescu;battery actually excellent model. "this provides 10kV, for a total 0.1VA energy draw"
1509591;1469380009;asciilifeform;~every watch battery that hits the junkyard has still ~nominal voltage.
1509592;1469380017;mircea_popescu;aha.
1509593;1469380087;mircea_popescu;battery altogether a good model for money in the general.
1509594;1469380101;asciilifeform;mr mold even, knew this
1509595;1469380118;mircea_popescu;yeh, it's textbook classical economics theory.
1509596;1469380169;asciilifeform;e.g., http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-07#914087
1509597;1469380169;a111;Logged on 2014-11-07 18:55 asciilifeform: 'One metaphor for monetization is that of a storage vessel, like a battery for electricity or a tank for compressed gas. When people buy into the currency, they are charging the battery and compressing the tank. When they sell out, they are discharging the battery. When new currency is created (perhaps by alchemists) without a buy-in, the tank has sprung a leak. Etc. The charge, or the pressure, is simply the
1509598;1469380656;asciilifeform;in other noose,
1509599;1469380663;asciilifeform;'I wish them both success in their struggle, but hold out little hope that either side will gain the upper hand. Instead, they will fumble at each other until the fools of this nation finally take one side or the other and demand a federal police force. By then, if I’m still around I’ll be getting attacked by Dindus while I hobble along on my cane and then get tazed by federal pigs for the crime of caning the sacred martyr race of 
1509600;1469380673;asciilifeform;^ lafond. gets it.
1509601;1469380688;asciilifeform;$s gendarmerie
1509602;1469380688;a111;39 results for "gendarmerie", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gendarmerie
1509603;1469380721;ben_vulpes;aaand unrelatedly san fernando valley is burning!
1509604;1469380728;mircea_popescu;noo ?
1509605;1469380750;asciilifeform;also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar?
1509606;1469380874;ben_vulpes;http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-clarita-fire-20160722-snap-story.html
1509607;1469380882;ben_vulpes;trinque mentioned the german
1509608;1469380909;asciilifeform;ah hm
1509609;1469380925;ben_vulpes;actually that was in #trinquelantis now that i think on it
1509610;1469380940;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: talking about the kid with the axe or the shooters?
1509611;1469380962;asciilifeform;the latter
1509612;1469381158;mircea_popescu;lmao the ethereum reddit is pretty lulzy. O NOES!!11
1509613;1469381254;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, a taster of something sitting on my workshop floor: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a2110310-f277-4fbf-809f-294f9bd10c3d/
1509614;1469381305;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i recall you mentioned this experiment a while ago
1509615;1469381321;asciilifeform;making a block-viewer thing?
1509616;1469381434;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: primarily interested in modeling the blockchain succinctly in sql. various webthingers will be a natural product.
1509617;1469381470;ben_vulpes;(above has various oopsies, f.ex "previous block" should be a self-fk to blocks)
1509618;1469381488;asciilifeform;hopefully ben_vulpes doesn't need this thing to work in real time.
1509619;1469381520;asciilifeform;sql-anything is snail-slow.
1509620;1469381554;asciilifeform;(by bitcoin standards, where the number of queries per second is not under your control)
1509621;1469381585;mircea_popescu;actually this is pretty valid research ground for fixing sql.
1509622;1469381590;ben_vulpes;nah, this isn't for block validation or anything.
1509623;1469381621;ben_vulpes;but i am going to look into what indexing on transaction hash does to both disk utilization and lookup speed.
1509624;1469381640;asciilifeform;neato
1509625;1469381694;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: when you say "queries per second", you mean during block validation?
1509626;1469381744;asciilifeform;tx and block
1509627;1469381756;asciilifeform;(mempool also validates)
1509628;1469381975;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509605 << If editor in chief doesn't want to cover it himself, I'll take a whack at it later today. Looks like more scoop is developing tho (shooter bought gun from darknet with bitcion etc. etc.)
1509629;1469381975;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 17:19 asciilifeform: also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar?
1509630;1469383257;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> also no qntra or logz mention of the german snackbar? << At this point I'm combing for reaction lulz
1509631;1469383367;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: I've got this storm on the weather beat.
1509632;1469383380;BingoBoingo;Just waiting to stumble into the right detail.
1509633;1469384260;phf;$s http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509262
1509634;1469384261;a111;1 results for "http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509262", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Fbtcbase.org%2Flog%2F2016-07-23%231509262
1509635;1469384387;phf;it probably shouldn't count the query itself?
1509636;1469384615;mircea_popescu;phf i thought about that. if it doesn't, it should really simply ignore $s lines when searching. the problem is that sometimes searches carry metasyntactic value.
1509637;1469384638;mircea_popescu;best leave it as is, human user ignores the $s if he wants to
1509638;1469384662;BingoBoingo;Also at some point someone may build a bash again and need to find all the $b
1509639;1469384881;mircea_popescu;https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_etc << in other lols.
1509640;1469385027;shinohai;trbbot: bash 5
1509641;1469385034;shinohai;hmmm
1509642;1469385065;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: How do people seriously expect to trade on such a laggy piece of shit?
1509643;1469385093;mircea_popescu;"people" "seriosuly" "trade".
1509644;1469385116;mircea_popescu;anyway, laggy because victim of its own success, what with the latest lulz.
1509645;1469385201;BingoBoingo;Not laggy because traffic. I mean laggy because of all the fucking widgets that have nothing to do with ordering.
1509646;1469385256;mircea_popescu;ah. heh.
1509647;1469385405;BingoBoingo;Given how shitty the typical www browser is I wonder how the average suburban US pinoy can enter an order without crashing
1509648;1469385488;mircea_popescu;there must be an app for that.
1509649;1469385527;mircea_popescu;and in other dancing news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/215e294e1465465905a5f3e9f60576ca/tumblr_nfx8huFjkg1s8rwvgo1_400.gif
1509650;1469385756;mircea_popescu;"At this point the Dindu game is so much more sophisticated than the Pig game, one is tempted to surmise that federal operatives are advising the Dindu cadres." <<< that one is so tempted only speaks of the mangina-tastic quality of that one. really, so married to the belief that there's a meta-nsa in the sky, that all quality automatically gotta be allocated to IT ?
1509651;1469385758;mircea_popescu;not how this game works.
1509652;1469385997;mircea_popescu;oh an' in other lulz, https://archive.is/DHCOs
1509653;1469386061;shinohai;^ lo
1509654;1469386113;mircea_popescu;and since we're doing "obscure nobodies from the fiat-aspie side" for altogether unclear reasons, http://lockhartsteele.com/blog/
1509655;1469386118;mircea_popescu;(vox editor in chief)
1509656;1469386216;mircea_popescu;absolutely no comments/interest whatsoever from anyone, of course, much like "gotham girl" joanne wilson, much like just about each and every one of the paper hopes pushing crowd.
1509657;1469386231;mircea_popescu;so it kinda feels charitable to link them.
1509658;1469386711;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1722
1509659;1469386711;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509660;1469386712;mircea_popescu;and in further lulz re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509652 i've just had it pointed out that the string "Who were the idiots who valued this scam at $9B and what responsibility do they bear? An experiment, by its very ..."  which leads the google description of item 4 (experiment and scandal - AVC) is not actually present on the page.
1509661;1469386713;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 18:46 mircea_popescu: oh an' in other lulz, https://archive.is/DHCOs
1509662;1469386724;mircea_popescu;supposedly this is how spamblogs get banned by google, or something.
1509663;1469387711;shinohai;thestringpuller: inching to #5 on coinmarketcap xD
1509664;1469389012;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Eh, kind of a maybe. ALso seems like there could be some missing zeroes
1509665;1469390020;mats;i don't see what poloniex and bitfinex have to gain by including 'ethereum classic' along with 'ethereum'
1509666;1469390025;mats;what am i missing here
1509667;1469390082;mats;even under the mp premise that there is no real money in play here - dueling forks cannot possibly go well for public idiot confidence in the scheme
1509668;1469390149;BingoBoingo;The part where they had the classic ethereum anyways and likely wanted to head off the pain in court by giving the tokens to the victims they tried to steal them from when they first decided to pretend the tokens didn't exist.
1509669;1469390203;BingoBoingo;It's not that they have anything to gain. It is that they desperately need to clean this wound before everyone smells them going septic.
1509670;1469390262;deedbot;[Qntra] France And Germany Bond Over Mass Killings - http://qntra.net/2016/07/france-and-germany-bond-over-mass-killings/
1509671;1469390331;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform I guess the absence of aftermath details is the lulz
1509672;1469393413;deedbot;[Qntra] On Eve Of Convention Democrats Rewriting History Of Their Party - http://qntra.net/2016/07/on-eve-of-convention-democrats-rewriting-history-of-their-party/
1509673;1469395063;deedbot;[Qntra] On Eve Of National Convention Democratic Party Ousts Chair - http://qntra.net/2016/07/on-eve-of-national-convention-democratic-party-ousts-chair/
1509674;1469395507;BingoBoingo;Never could have predicted that despite all the "summer of forks" bluster that everything but Bitcoin would be devastated by forks and coup attempts.
1509675;1469396994;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1509676;1469396995;gribble;Current Blocks: 422133 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1226 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, 13 minutes, and 59 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1509677;1469396999;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1509678;1469397005;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 662.14, vol: 1342.90026045 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 652.118, vol: 3066.33545 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 660.63, vol: 13951.03119647 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 660.100805, vol: 80059.23270000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 661.778, vol: 851.25997066 | Volume-weighted last average: 659.970565465
1509679;1469397012;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509621 << i missed this, but it deserves a response. the idea of 'fixing' here is a misconception, because using a non-purposebuilt db is precisely the problem, and intrinsically sucks, consider the miseries of bdb - barely works for the task
1509680;1469397059;asciilifeform;the correct answer, from the twin standpoints of reliability and fits-in-head - is bitcoinfs.
1509681;1469397237;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509650 << to suppose that the untermenschen have help, say, from the same folks who moved them into the american cities , squeezing out the catholics in carefully planned and methodical war, to begin with - is not unreasonable.
1509682;1469397262;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/haystacks/
1509683;1469397264;asciilifeform;visit bmore, ask the embattled polacks
1509684;1469397298;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Aha, St Louis and Chicago also have embattled polacks
1509685;1469397341;asciilifeform;the irish are through?
1509686;1469397346;asciilifeform;or also there
1509687;1469397445;asciilifeform;phf: log dead?
1509688;1469397835;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Around these parts Irish are largely assimilated into larger class of "white folk"
1509689;1469397899;BingoBoingo;Chicago may have "Irish" but since St Louis's settled in south city interbred with other palefaces readily, same with Italians. Poles though settled in North City.
1509690;1469398533;mircea_popescu;mats> what am i missing here << generally, one has to gain his own skin.
1509691;1469398608;mircea_popescu;and in other toilet humour/news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/da36874124b4866bf7da66387a3104ad/tumblr_nf1h2pDkFG1t87396o1_500.gif
1509692;1469399721;mats;no idea what that means
1509693;1469399979;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1509694;1469400945;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
1509695;1469400952;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 503.4837, vol: 1397.12872283 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 498.9135, vol: 3067.54065 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 503.9142, vol: 79571.72090000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 520.488, vol: 32.23028802 | Volume-weighted last average: 503.730931427
1509696;1469401155;BingoBoingo;In other Polonium-X http://epmonthly.com/article/reasonable-practice-pa-caught-case-compartment-syndrome/
1509697;1469401185;BingoBoingo;"The patient sued the physician assistant and the supervising physician. During discovery, the PA testified that he had considered the diagnosis of compartment syndrome, but had never seen a case of compartment syndrome in his career."
1509698;1469401203;BingoBoingo;^ No One Could Have Predicted!
1509699;1469401329;BingoBoingo;No One Could Have Predicted an injury common to athletes could have happened to someone competing in an athletics
1509700;1469403482;mircea_popescu;phf ding ding
1509701;1469403503;mircea_popescu;lol!
1509702;1469403669;phf;:>
1509703;1469403739;phf;i'm on a vacation in Seattle, but there's no way i'm coming back from vacation without a working bot restart
1509704;1469404516;deedbot;[Trilema] Terminus Paradis - http://trilema.com/2016/terminus-paradis/
1509705;1469405395;mircea_popescu;:p
1509706;1469405489;mircea_popescu;reignited bromantic passion ahahaha
1509707;1469406775;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509681 << what's unreasonable is the religious belief that the drowning man is in a position to teach the bird flight.
1509708;1469406775;a111;Logged on 2016-07-24 21:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-24#1509650 << to suppose that the untermenschen have help, say, from the same folks who moved them into the american cities , squeezing out the catholics in carefully planned and methodical war, to begin with - is not unreasonable.
1509709;1469414693;mod6;So tried out a few different things with signing the artifacts:
1509710;1469414720;mod6;1. made base64 encodings with `uuencode -m`
1509711;1469414749;mod6;2. used `gpg --armor --sign`
1509712;1469414796;mod6;it turns out that the base64 encodings are ~5-10k bytes larger, it's pretty close, but it's nice with the `gpg --armor --sign` since you can verify and extract all in one step.
1509713;1469414846;mod6;I had shinohai and trinque both check my signed files and they confirm that it looks good (i tested on a variety of env's myself)
1509714;1469414860;mod6;For instance, here's trinque's results: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ee51a593-445a-4cfe-98bc-093f47ae8310/?raw=true
1509715;1469414975;mod6;So was thinking, make these four as deeds, then create a follow on deed that is a disclaimer that references the four artifact deeds - stating that the archive extracted will have the following hashes and that my signature doesn't declare that I have written or read the code.  Something to that effect.
1509716;1469414981;mod6;Think that sounds ok?
1509717;1469416159;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> reignited bromantic passion ahahaha << Well Merkel might have many things, but one of them is not going to be "romance" unless preceeded by the letter b
1509718;1469417341;BingoBoingo;http://www.whio.com/news/news/national/pokemon-go-player-tased-arrested-after-refusing-le/nr4PM/?ref=cbTopWidget
1509719;1469418006;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "Why do fat women always think theyre the ones being cat called on the side walk? Ive always been teeny tiny.. somehow with a big rack and no ass (i call it my lack there of or white girl 90's butt). Ive always been hollared at. I dont mind, I actually like it but everytime Im with a beefalo (which is rare) and positive attention is given they are repulsed and act offended. Like bitch that hobo was asking me to s his d no
1509720;1469418006;BingoBoingo;t you... no one wants you!"
1509721;1469418389;mircea_popescu;mod6 how do you add comment with armor ?
1509722;1469418408;mircea_popescu;no good with the "reference" the thing, because you can get the thing without the reference, see ?
1509723;1469418724;mircea_popescu;and in other train-ing, http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_njgjyy8e8n1tulo74o1_500.gif
1509724;1469418900;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 how do you add comment with armor ? << yeah, there'd be no comment in the gpg armor'd artifacts.  this would only be possible with using the uuencoded archives, placing a comment in the top, and then clearsigning the whole thing.
1509725;1469418975;mod6;which, was my first trial.  the only thing about this approach is that then to extract (uudecode), one must strip out the clearsigning text as well as the comment. not horrible, just an extra step.
1509726;1469418988;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> no good with the "reference" the thing, because you can get the thing without the reference, see ? << very much agree.
1509727;1469419011;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1509728;1469419052;mod6;i'll prepare them in this way, and re-discuss when i have 'em.  probably in a day or two.
1509729;1469419092;mod6;thanks for your input!
1509730;1469420193;mircea_popescu;so apparently turkey's burning up
1509731;1469420198;mircea_popescu;$google buca fire
1509732;1469420204;deedbot;http://www.lakecountrynow.com/news/oconomowocfocus/fire-damages-buca-building-b99721667z1-378648741.html << Fire damages Buca restaurant in Oconomowoc | https://www.rt.com/news/353034-turkey-nato-base-fire/ << Huge fire breaks out near NATO base in Turkey (PHOTOS, VIDEO ... | http://www.lakecountrynow.com/blogsold/staffblogsold/378548866.html << Fire Department on scene at Buca restaurant in Oconomwooc
1509733;1469420634;mod6;oh hey
1509734;1469420662;mod6;this is even a bit easier than i thought, looks like uudecode will just take the whole ball of wax and parse out the base64 part on its own:
1509735;1469420665;mod6;http://dpaste.com/0S4PBCT.txt
1509736;1469420686;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> so apparently turkey's burning up << yeah saw that.
1509737;1469420730;mod6;so anyway, i'll prepare the rest of these as well as a more refined disclaimer.  clearsign them, and pass 'em around for some testing.
1509738;1469420734;BingoBoingo;More or less burning than California?
1509739;1469420744;mod6;once we're happy with what they look like, we can deedbot 'em.
1509740;1469420911;mircea_popescu;mod6 that's the idea yes
1509741;1469420920;mod6;ok :]
1509742;1469420935;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo well, about same i guess.
1509743;1469421030;BingoBoingo;Well, in California they had to ground the bucket drop planes due to smoke
1509744;1469421160;mircea_popescu;in turkey they lost the buckets : http://67.media.tumblr.com/c14704d9ab10a9b208345bae905eedb7/tumblr_niewk6Q9OW1tkw5l1o1_500.jpg
1509745;1469421254;BingoBoingo;win
1509746;1469421334;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile here in the Middle West we are solidly in neither drought nor flood. June teased a drought, but storms have regularly been dropping 1-4 inches of rain at a time.
1509747;1469421419;mod6;yeah, was an absolute blazer up here last week.  but starting saturday, quite a bit of rain.
1509748;1469421562;BingoBoingo;My grass put on about 8 inches of height in a week. Was fun mowing yesterday.
1509749;1469421624;mod6;mine grew a lot too.  i did harvest a few pickling cucumbers today.  at least enough for two Kerr jars worth.
1509750;1469421669;mod6;gonna try doing some refridgerator pickles first.  will "can" a few probably when i get a few more... excited to try this out
1509751;1469421716;mircea_popescu;how do you do them ? vinegar ? proper salt pickles ?
1509752;1469421719;BingoBoingo;The pattypan squash has completely recovered from the setback it suffered earlier this month when some (ra)coons completely pulled it out of the ground.
1509753;1469421735;mod6;Also turns out that my romaine lettuce had "bolted" which is why it grew so high.  got a bit of a bitter taste to it.  this bolting process is basically when it's ready to flower, sometimes because of stress.  so i cut 'em down.
1509754;1469421750;mircea_popescu;yeah bolting's bad.
1509755;1469421755;mod6;will replant later this summer in hopes of a fall harvest before the frost starts.
1509756;1469421768;mod6;yea, had no clue about bolting.  learning as I go kinda :/
1509757;1469421791;BingoBoingo;bolting sucks
1509758;1469421799;mod6;i did eat quite a bit of it before it shot up though. so that was pretty cool.
1509759;1469421892;BingoBoingo;Well, now you know you gotta get some shadecloth.
1509760;1469421912;mod6;yeah, I think that's a decent idea.
1509761;1469421946;mod6;oh harvested some tomatoes too -- one roma and ~10 cherry ones.
1509762;1469421971;mod6;those turned out good.  only have 9 plants this year, as opposed to last years 22.
1509763;1469421985;mod6;so already feels like a lot less.
1509764;1469421990;BingoBoingo;Shade cloth and its cousin bird netting are the sort of magic that makes one the sort of gardener the neighbors envy.
1509765;1469422062;mod6;Yeah, i need that for sure.  I also need to build better trellises or something for the cucumbers & other vines.  And probably better boxes for some of things.
1509766;1469422091;mod6;Fuckin rabbits ate the shit out of my zuccs.
1509767;1469422120;BingoBoingo;Gotta lay down some cayanne on those things.
1509768;1469422177;BingoBoingo;The first time mammals show interest in a plant you gotta shut that shit down. Black pepper around the perimeter as a warning and Cayenne pepper on the plant to protect it.
1509769;1469422177;mod6;oh does that do the trick?
1509770;1469422194;BingoBoingo;yes, but needs refershed periodically.
1509771;1469422202;mod6;thanks for the tip
1509772;1469422208;mircea_popescu;pepper more expensive than buying the crop lol
1509773;1469422218;mircea_popescu;maybe train your cat to decapitate rabbits ?
1509774;1469422223;BingoBoingo;These two ingredients are bundled together as "critter ridder" but cheaper at food mart.
1509775;1469422244;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> pepper more expensive than buying the crop lol << American bulk "pepper" works for this purpose
1509776;1469422248;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> maybe train your cat to decapitate rabbits ? << dog gets a bunch. but apparently not enough.
1509777;1469422251;BingoBoingo;sheap as shit.
1509778;1469422268;mod6;Get your late-night gardening tips, right here at TMSR.
1509779;1469422273;mircea_popescu;lol.
1509780;1469422304;mircea_popescu;actually knew a gal that started trying to make a garden, but she was a ways off from my house and 10 feet from the forest. so rabbits came wiped it EVERY NIGHT. so she put in traps.
1509781;1469422308;mircea_popescu;ended up farming rabbits.
1509782;1469422318;BingoBoingo;lolololololol
1509783;1469422323;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1509784;1469422324;mod6;oooh, not bad!
1509785;1469422334;mircea_popescu;she'd end up capturing males and fermales in the same box,
1509786;1469422344;mircea_popescu;didn\t know what to do with them. but the rabbits DID know.
1509787;1469422356;mircea_popescu;so next i went by she was all like " don't you want some rabbit ?"
1509788;1469422384;mircea_popescu;"it's great as a steak... or in stu... or in... and she kept getting yellower as she went.
1509789;1469422392;mircea_popescu;bitch ate nothing but rabbit for like two weeks lol
1509790;1469422396;mod6;lol
1509791;1469422402;BingoBoingo;Not a bad fate
1509792;1469422418;mircea_popescu;eventually it was "just take some fucking rabbits!"
1509793;1469422428;mircea_popescu;so i did, but i was too lazy to skin them, so i let them go.
1509794;1469422430;mod6;people say not to eat the rabbits around here because of all the lawn fertilizers and things.  not sure if that's accurate or not.
1509795;1469422431;*;BingoBoingo has lots of local rabbits. They tend to keep to the clover.
1509796;1469422431;mircea_popescu;IN the forest.
1509797;1469422469;BingoBoingo;mod6: Open a few up and check the livers
1509798;1469422474;mod6;haha. she probably trapped 'em again.
1509799;1469422476;mircea_popescu;^
1509800;1469422499;mod6;oh huh, what do i look for? just some fatty deposits or some sort of cirrohsis<sp>?
1509801;1469422525;BingoBoingo;unhealth
1509802;1469422531;mircea_popescu;if the liver's normal the meat should be fine. if the liver's enlarged, or off color, throw the carcass out.
1509803;1469422543;mircea_popescu;you won't likely see fat islands, that's for farm fed.
1509804;1469422560;mod6; During the cleaning process, be sure to wear gloves, and hunters should examine the external surfaces of the rabbit for any infected areas. ALWAYS check the liver for the appearance of white or yellow spots.
1509805;1469422586;mircea_popescu;then-butchered liver is always exactly the same. after a few you learn to tell.
1509806;1469422589;mod6;Aight, next few that I get from the dog, will check 'em out.
1509807;1469422632;mircea_popescu;bu the gloves are a good idea, for anthrax mostly. don't cut yourself.
1509808;1469422634;BingoBoingo;Remember not to skimp on the gloves. Rabbits can carry some nasty bacterial diseases
1509809;1469422638;mircea_popescu;aha.
1509810;1469422645;BingoBoingo;Not just the anthrax
1509811;1469422655;mircea_popescu;get those fucking fine steel mesh rubbered, pro gloves.
1509812;1469422662;mod6;yeah, i got a few boxes of latex ones around the house.
1509813;1469422666;mircea_popescu;mno.
1509814;1469422675;mod6;or maybe they're not latex .. whatever they use these days.
1509815;1469422677;mircea_popescu;there's this almost tyre-like glove for butchers.
1509816;1469422705;BingoBoingo;At least go for nitrile gloves designed for cleaning, but the butchering gloves are almost necessary.
1509817;1469422708;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> get those fucking fine steel mesh rubbered, pro gloves. << oh ok
1509818;1469422731;mircea_popescu;it's a buck, but the sort of buck that's worth it.
1509819;1469422762;mircea_popescu;the first time a rib punctures through your anal play latex condom glove and you end up spending n hours and n^2 dollars on doctors you see the wisdom.
1509820;1469422910;BingoBoingo;Latex is awful at resisting puncture.
1509821;1469422918;mod6;fair enough.
1509822;1469422940;mod6;i've been stabbed by a number of phesant bones while cuttign them up.  sucks.
1509823;1469423051;mircea_popescu;see. when you move from fowl to fawn you go up on the scale of bad shit to catch.
1509824;1469423060;mircea_popescu;rabbit counts as fowl for this purpose.
1509825;1469423068;mircea_popescu;fawn i mean.
1509826;1469423082;mod6;something like these i suspect 'eh? : https://www.turtleskin.com/webstore/turtleskin-cp-grip-400-advanced-cut-and-puncture-great-grip
1509827;1469423107;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> fawn i mean. << sure.
1509828;1469423108;mircea_popescu;yeah those look pretty cool.
1509829;1469423182;mircea_popescu;o look they have a whole apron and sleeve thing. the sleeve is great, other than side index / metacarpophalangeal joint injury, you mostly get the above wrist spot.
1509830;1469423188;mod6;alright, i'll have to get something like those.  will report (with pics?) when I get the next couple of rabbits.
1509831;1469423233;mircea_popescu;it's the sort of shit people keep wanting to borrow from you.
1509832;1469423259;BingoBoingo;But don't loan gloves. They have a worse rate of return than BTCJam
1509833;1469423264;mod6;haha
1509834;1469423272;mircea_popescu;heh
1509835;1469423333;BingoBoingo;Anyways when it comes to cheap disposables the rule is latex for condoms and nitrile for gloves.
1509836;1469423418;mod6;Sounds fair.  I just got the latex style ones for my hand-rolled first aid kits.
1509837;1469423451;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you were running a butcher thing you'd prolly still waqnt the steel mesh things ; but for what you do the thing you found prolly perfect fit.
1509838;1469423465;BingoBoingo;Latex resists friction better (nitrile splits) and Nitrile resists puncture and cutting better.
1509839;1469423506;BingoBoingo;But not to the point of wanting to use it on critter autopsies
1509840;1469424032;mod6;I'll see what I can find.  Will let you guys know.
1509841;1469424619;mircea_popescu;why the fuck are all the chicks running fashion blogs butt ugly.
1509842;1469424706;mircea_popescu;http://marieclaire.media.ipcdigital.co.uk/11116/000088ce5/243e_orh1000w646/The-Man-Repeller.jpg da fuck's this.
1509843;1469424874;BingoBoingo;The gotta pretend the can do fashion because can't go nude looking like that
1509844;1469424900;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i don't go around pretending to rap.
1509845;1469424956;mircea_popescu;http://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/48/2015/08/susie_0.jpg < no end of them
1509846;1469425054;mircea_popescu;actually i got one right after bb's heart : http://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/48/2015/08/nad-1.jpg
1509847;1469425073;mircea_popescu;name's nadia. nadia aboulhson. want her # ?
1509848;1469425390;mircea_popescu;oh and in other news : http://blog.bestamericanpoetry.com/the_best_american_poetry/2016/07/my-entry.html << someone wrote a poem about corn. someone else read it. in a windy cornfield. DRAMATICALLY.
1509849;1469445559;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/17eP
1509850;1469445560;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509851;1469449244;mircea_popescu;$up ratoder
1509852;1469449244;deedbot;ratoder voiced for 30 minutes.
1509853;1469449285;thestringpuller;"there is nothing better than vagina to prop up a massive bubble"  via https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1558366.0 (for those that care to view the tardtalk source)
1509854;1469449335;mircea_popescu;such nonsense. what vagina ever propped a massive bubble ?
1509855;1469453008;thestringpuller;https://img1.steemit.com/0x0/https://s32.postimg.org/g21tkwzk5/4_up_on_7_13_16_at_9_08_PM_compiled_2.jpg << well the boobs propped up the bubble.
1509856;1469453044;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36879831
1509857;1469453090;asciilifeform;'US internet firm Yahoo will be sold to American telecoms firm Verizon Communications for nearly $5bn (£3.8bn) in cash. Yahoo will be combined with AOL, another faded internet star, which Verizon bought last year.'
1509858;1469453313;mircea_popescu;i thought boobs need soutien not the other way around.
1509859;1469453336;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform next they merge with comcast, "the ministry of not spying on people"
1509860;1469453355;asciilifeform;lel
1509861;1469453375;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller i can't read the number on her tits ?
1509862;1469453380;mircea_popescu;something seems to be in the way.
1509863;1469453580;thestringpuller;yea. a steemit tank top. derps love covered boobs, didn't you know?
1509864;1469453713;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, on random bouncer which doesn't actually connect to any channels :
1509865;1469453715;mircea_popescu;ⓘ [465] You are banned from this server- Allah is offtopic for freenode. (2016/7/25 08.11)
1509866;1469453715;mircea_popescu;Closing Link: [*] (K-Lined)
1509867;1469454182;*;asciilifeform had nfi that this was a thing
1509868;1469454217;mircea_popescu;me either, and i own the ip, so it can't be that. aaanyway.
1509869;1469454224;mircea_popescu;in other restaurateur news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/7ec077b1e17b7436aa4ad5e66dbce63e/tumblr_njgjwrPzT51tulo74o1_500.jpg
1509870;1469457514;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> name's nadia. nadia aboulhson. want her # ? << I'll pass
1509871;1469458138;shinohai;But she's *curvy* BingoBoingo
1509872;1469458152;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/K2F2j
1509873;1469458233;mircea_popescu;you can't say scurvy without curvy.
1509874;1469458570;mircea_popescu;seriously, that dude is "obese" ?
1509875;1469458574;mircea_popescu;seems a little nutty.
1509876;1469458661;BingoBoingo;Gotta consider his fat girl camera angles
1509877;1469458677;BingoBoingo;And arm flab.
1509878;1469458691;BingoBoingo;Serious old lady "bingo wings"
1509879;1469458712;mircea_popescu;well yeah, he's chubby, sure. but obese is a thing.
1509880;1469458730;BingoBoingo;Obesity is like Autism. THere's a spectrum
1509881;1469458768;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/1Mo2KM2.jpg "Ocean Liner"
1509882;1469458784;mircea_popescu;well, spectrum, spectrum, but not like autism, like anemia. there is a spectrum, but it doesn't start at the gate of normal.
1509883;1469458832;BingoBoingo;Anyways linked for the fatlogic about his "thick bones"
1509884;1469458885;mircea_popescu;well yeah, guy clearly wasn't expecting the reaction.
1509885;1469458950;mircea_popescu;now, numerically, he's pretty scandalous, i'm taller than him and more than 50lbs lighter. and i'm not "skinny", and i very much doubt he has "bigger bones" than me, partly because every time i broke something the doctors were "wtf, is this a horse bone ?"
1509886;1469458967;BingoBoingo;Well gotta check the internet weather before posting. If posting to reddit and asking "am I hawt" FPH will brigade
1509887;1469459005;BingoBoingo;AHA
1509888;1469459052;BingoBoingo;Anyways he's probably only about 75 pounds away from https://i.sli.mg/3Avfuh.jpg
1509889;1469459835;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Published, corrected your intro bit about corn futures.
1509890;1469459880;deedbot;[Qntra] Ethereum-iverse Bleeding Money - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ethereum-iverse-bleeding-money/
1509891;1469459903;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1509892;1469460004;BingoBoingo;Just because ethereum is rolling in lulz we can't be saying corn futures are up when in fact they have fallen like a rock because "What the fuck are we going to do with all this corn?
1509893;1469460035;BingoBoingo;There's actually corn growing in the ditches and gutters this year.
1509894;1469460088;shinohai;perhaps increased popcorn sales will offset some of the cost.
1509895;1469460115;asciilifeform;'Furthermore, my own personal opinion is that allowing ETC trading indirectly funds a criminal organization. With no way to know what these funds will be used for in the future, I find this behaviour careless and dangerous.' << gold
1509896;1469460153;BingoBoingo;We are talking 3000 calories of extra popcorn consumed per day, per USian, for an entire year shinohai! And that's BEFORE the butter!
1509897;1469460182;shinohai;oh the asses i see everyday love that buttery goodness.
1509898;1469460224;shinohai;That new 'internet sensation' with the 70 inch ass on bp
1509899;1469460371;mircea_popescu;ahjahahaha wait.
1509900;1469460378;mircea_popescu;and so they KNOW what ethereum will be used for in the future ?
1509901;1469460385;mircea_popescu;what is thaqt, funding the war in the next iraq ?
1509902;1469460492;BingoBoingo;Nah, funding the next war in Vietman more likely
1509903;1469460693;shinohai;Your death by drone may well be a smart contract on the dao 2.0
1509904;1469460772;mircea_popescu;judging by the way dao CLASSIC worked, that'll end up a fine way to kill the us president.
1509905;1469460794;mircea_popescu;as aladeen well explained, "the drone will bounce off the target and come right back to us"
1509906;1469461345;shinohai;lo
1509907;1469461355;mircea_popescu;this dao is hiv-aladeen
1509908;1469462191;deedbot;[Trilema] Two shits - http://trilema.com/2016/two-shits/
1509909;1469462275;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 'Dear customer
1509910;1469462281;asciilifeform;For security reasons we need you to download your wallet from your unique
1509911;1469462281;asciilifeform;Link That we send it to you and run it and extract it in a safe place on your computer
1509912;1469462281;asciilifeform;To make sure that no one can access to the wallet.'
1509913;1469462544;asciilifeform;('bitgo')
1509914;1469462548;asciilifeform;dafuq even ~was~ it ?
1509915;1469462551;asciilifeform;$s bitgo
1509916;1469462551;a111;31 results for "bitgo", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bitgo
1509917;1469462687;thestringpuller;they are the leader in blockchain sakoority!!!!11
1509918;1469462800;mats;verizon isn't buying all of yahoo's business units
1509919;1469462823;mats;what a misleading headline
1509920;1469464976;BingoBoingo;http://gotnews.com/breaking-hillarysamerica-page-administrator-suspended-facebook-dineshdsouza/
1509921;1469465349;thestringpuller;shinohai I think we may have popped the steem bubble.
1509922;1469466488;mircea_popescu;$s dinesh
1509923;1469466488;a111;2 results for "dinesh", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dinesh
1509924;1469466669;BingoBoingo;Guy who got hit by Obama's IRS
1509925;1469466709;BingoBoingo;Oh, "donation fraud"
1509926;1469466840;mircea_popescu;aha
1509927;1469466975;mircea_popescu;but it's ok, for as long as one steals for "the state" it's all gravy.
1509928;1469467022;deedbot;[Trilema] Millenial problems. - http://trilema.com/2016/millenial-problems/
1509929;1469468252;deedbot;[Qntra] Corn Pain On Farm Plain Continues - http://qntra.net/2016/07/corn-pain-on-farm-plain-continues/
1509930;1469468274;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo 1st sentence.
1509931;1469468290;mircea_popescu;2nd line too. hit hitting ?
1509932;1469468333;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd fxd
1509933;1469468415;BingoBoingo;Seriously though. Who would have thought the worst fate that could strike farmers would end up being an optimal amount of rain for their crop at the time the crop needed it.
1509934;1469468504;mircea_popescu;lol
1509935;1469468737;mircea_popescu;and in other good girl porn, http://66.media.tumblr.com/6134b6ee69c141f3f418444f0f4ccf25/tumblr_n8gvyfx2n81r4hgvyo10_400.gif
1509936;1469468852;deedbot;[Trilema] Millennial problems. - http://trilema.com/2016/millennial-problems/
1509937;1469470592;BingoBoingo;https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Au4AnBFEodI/V4VDpPi_0fI/AAAAAAAAQQg/wfmMRFm9TqoaXH4i10i4UzWkP6PS-48qACLcB/s400/Photo%2BJun%2B11%252C%2B8%2B39%2B10%2BAM.jpg
1509938;1469470787;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, derpy listing on argentine govt site links to an institutional website on "blogpot.com". which is apparently owned, by some bible people.
1509939;1469470804;mircea_popescu;my conclusion is that too much pot.
1509940;1469470997;hanbot;da domn'le, poti prea mult
1509941;1469471016;mircea_popescu;lol!
1509942;1469471086;mircea_popescu;in other news, out of 496 highschools in the city of buenos aires, 80 have a website. the rest do not have a website. about two thirds offer "IT" in some shape nevertheless.
1509943;1469471097;mircea_popescu;of those 80 websites, 70 are on blogpot.
1509944;1469471114;mircea_popescu;the rest on dubious junk, wtf is jimdo.com
1509945;1469471123;mircea_popescu;they actually think this is a country. somehow.
1509946;1469471237;mircea_popescu;those blogspot "websites" ? 0 comments. here's a fine sample : https://archive.is/BarC2
1509947;1469471250;mircea_popescu;noticee the part where it says "AGRADECIMIENTO Agradecemos al Prof. Antonio Grillo por el banner animado que encabeza el blog. Depto. de Informática", then check out that fucking banner animado.
1509948;1469471313;mircea_popescu;~none of them are active by any sort of definition of activity that has anything to do with the current year. and on it goes.
1509949;1469475548;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/17lP
1509950;1469475548;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509951;1469476134;BingoBoingo;ty
1509952;1469476136;BingoBoingo;edited
1509953;1469476234;deedbot;[Qntra] Florida Money Laundering Case Against Espinoza Dismissed - http://qntra.net/2016/07/florida-money-laundering-case-against-espinoza-dismissed/
1509954;1469476280;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/qntra/status/757664456373522433
1509955;1469477541;thestringpuller;~>
1509956;1469477739;ben_vulpes;~>
1509957;1469477845;BingoBoingo;8=====>~~~~~~~~ ;)
1509958;1469482028;mircea_popescu;also in the penis news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6k6a40jRU1qgttn9o1_1280.jpg
1509959;1469482190;shinohai;My teeth suddenly hurt.
1509960;1469482712;mircea_popescu;heh twitter going overboard on "promoted" tweets.
1509961;1469482831;mircea_popescu;in other news, freshly created disposable email shows spam from "computerwissen.de" at the same time as "profile activation" email from mai.showaround.com
1509962;1469482842;mircea_popescu;clearly a spam outfit. but hey, "promoted tweets" on twitter.
1509963;1469482843;mircea_popescu;sad.
1509964;1469482892;mircea_popescu;"Sorry for not letting you contact other members straight away, but purchasing a membership is what keeps the site running and helps us provide high-quality service.". 20 bux for a month.
1509965;1469482901;mircea_popescu;basic "paid dating app" scam.
1509966;1469485775;shinohai;$up trbbot
1509967;1469485775;deedbot;trbbot voiced for 30 minutes.
1509968;1469485808;shinohai;sorry for spam
1509969;1469485811;shinohai;line 2
1509970;1469485814;shinohai;line
1509971;1469485823;shinohai;trbbot: bash 3
1509972;1469485823;trbbot;shinohai:The last 3 lines are bashed and pending review.
1509973;1469486072;shinohai;$down trbbot
1509974;1469486072;deedbot;shinohai may not $down trbbot.
1509975;1469486075;shinohai;O.o
1509976;1469486482;mircea_popescu;nb.
1509977;1469486494;mircea_popescu;no biggy if it stays voiced neh ?
1509978;1469486584;shinohai;nah
1509979;1469486598;*;shinohai misses bashbot
1509980;1469489067;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-25#1509953 << perderasty??
1509981;1469489067;a111;Logged on 2016-07-25 19:50 deedbot: [Qntra] Florida Money Laundering Case Against Espinoza Dismissed - http://qntra.net/2016/07/florida-money-laundering-case-against-espinoza-dismissed/
1509982;1469489068;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1509983;1469490158;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Bumble: Better than Tinder, worse than Go. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/25/bumble-better-than-tinder-worse-than-go/
1509984;1469496634;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform fxd
1509985;1469496804;mircea_popescu;lol from perdition
1509986;1469497674;BingoBoingo;Perditionist!
1509987;1469498233;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvOlXtnL-o4
1509988;1469499872;BingoBoingo;In other reddits and ethereums http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/191601250/mike-mayers-nightmare-debut
1509989;1469501501;deedbot;[Qntra] Hastert Fights Suit Over Unpaid Hush Money - http://qntra.net/2016/07/hastert-fights-suit-over-unpaid-hush-money/
1509990;1469501570;BingoBoingo;Just kinda one of those days
1509991;1469502768;mircea_popescu;eh, baseball pretend-dramaz
1509992;1469503249;BingoBoingo;Nah, the dude is a serious contender for most suck ever.
1509993;1469504802;deedbot;[Qntra] Japan Mass Stabbing: 19 Killed 25 Injured - http://qntra.net/2016/07/japan-mass-stabbing-19-killed-25-injured/
1509994;1469506241;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1509995;1469506243;gribble;Current Blocks: 422299 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1060 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 2 hours, 11 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1509996;1469506248;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1509997;1469506254;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 656.04, vol: 2447.54486577 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.239, vol: 3250.26899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 654.2, vol: 15495.29185835 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 655.590192, vol: 93367.19340000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 653.74, vol: 763.61909007 | Volume-weighted last average: 655.165328116
1509998;1469506587;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4877
1509999;1469506953;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4879
1510000;1469512574;deedbot;[Qntra] US Standards Institute Prepares To "Ban" SMS 2 Factor Authentication - http://qntra.net/2016/07/us-standards-institute-prepares-to-ban-sms-2-factor-authentication/
1510001;1469522761;jurov;http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
1510002;1469537060;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1510003;1469537062;gribble;Current Blocks: 422347 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 16 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1510004;1469539514;thestringpuller;miners are defecting from eth to mine ethc
1510005;1469540273;jurov;thestringpuller: cited reasons?
1510006;1469540291;jurov;or just contrarian?
1510007;1469541207;thestringpuller;you can see the difficulty rising on eth stats
1510008;1469541233;thestringpuller;http://fork.ethstats.net/
1510009;1469541261;thestringpuller;;;calc 398.8 / 4131.0
1510010;1469541261;gribble;0.0965383684338
1510011;1469541279;thestringpuller;oh wow they have 10% of the hasspower now up from 5%
1510012;1469541320;thestringpuller;i was going to mine etc, but didn't want to get into huffing inhalants.
1510013;1469544456;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510006 << no, just #trilema reader.
1510014;1469544456;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 13:38 jurov: or just contrarian?
1510015;1469546083;mircea_popescu;lol look at un-bailed out ethereum version, tripled overnight ?
1510016;1469546148;shinohai;like a steam engine, has paid out dao attacker it appears
1510017;1469546353;mircea_popescu;aha. whole lulz delayed enough to allow payout.
1510018;1469546632;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 issue from last nite fixed, working nau: http://bit-box.org:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x4a75883cc1b1d34c&op=vindex
1510019;1469546632;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510020;1469547327;mircea_popescu;shinohai check this out : https://archive.is/fork.ethstats.net
1510021;1469547381;mircea_popescu;4298.0 GH/s  164.7 GH/s 25 Jul 2016 21:57:57 UTC 3529.7 GH/s  523.3 GH/s 26 Jul 2016 15:35:03 UTC
1510022;1469547408;mircea_popescu;it's not only that scamcoin-with-bailouts lost 20% in the past 18 hours.
1510023;1469547473;mircea_popescu;it's that the whole scam ecosystem went from 4298.0+164.7 = 4462 to 3529.7+523.3=4053 ie a ~10% loss of interest overnight.
1510024;1469547520;mircea_popescu;such is the wonderful if suicidal power of hard forks, and stephen tual pretending like he's a person, who may speak and have opinions, rather than admitting he's cattle, and should be sold by the pound off hooks in butcheries for a discount over pork bellies.
1510025;1469547593;mircea_popescu;now go qntra it.
1510026;1469547852;thestringpuller;oh wow down to 3569
1510027;1469548040;mircea_popescu;it is free... freefalling...
1510028;1469548270;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> now go qntra it. << Working on a draft already
1510029;1469548295;BingoBoingo;But thestringpuller this one could use double coverage since gloating
1510030;1469548343;deedbot;[Trilema] How to correctly value forked chains ? - http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-correctly-value-forked-chains/
1510031;1469548357;thestringpuller;remember no access to Airgap key until 330 EST
1510032;1469548357;mircea_popescu;it's pretty lulzy all round.
1510033;1469548632;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/4up9li/how_to_correctly_value_forked_chains/
1510034;1469548706;mircea_popescu;haha cool.
1510035;1469548994;mod6;shinohai: hey cool!
1510036;1469549213;shinohai;thx mod6 :D
1510037;1469550508;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-power-of-nyet.html
1510038;1469550518;asciilifeform;' If you are supposed to think and act like a hegemon, but only the thinking part still works, then the result is cognitive dissonance.'
1510039;1469550941;BingoBoingo;"Hegemon Go" would be a smartphone app I could get behind.
1510040;1469550967;asciilifeform;download this app from u.s. state dept.
1510041;1469550977;asciilifeform;doubless, they have it.
1510042;1469550981;asciilifeform;*doubtless
1510043;1469551008;BingoBoingo;Not in the form I imagine it.
1510044;1469551038;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510018 << what's this ?
1510045;1469551038;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 15:23 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 issue from last nite fixed, working nau: http://bit-box.org:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x4a75883cc1b1d34c&op=vindex
1510046;1469551044;deedbot;[Qntra] Ether Huffing Ecosystem Loses 10% Mining Interest Overnight, Hashrate On Bailout Free Chain Climbing - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffing-ecosystem-loses-10-mining-interest-overnight-hashrate-on-bailout-free-chain-climbing/
1510047;1469551118;BingoBoingo;The way I imagine it working is you have your assistant/slave/general following you and capturing incidents of you oppressing those who require it, and based on how many points of "Glories" you collect, you get to reward yourself however you wish.
1510048;1469551441;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4upkkd/hardfork_hazards_both_ethereum_chains_lose_10/
1510049;1469551646;shinohai;asciilifeform: it is a hypothetical keyserver
1510050;1469551837;asciilifeform;shinohai: who did you get to peer with it ?
1510051;1469551856;asciilifeform;i set up an sks node at one point but barfed when i learned that i would have to ask heathens for PERMISSION
1510052;1469551900;shinohai;not currently peered to anyone as far as i can tell
1510053;1469551911;asciilifeform;then it does not function
1510054;1469551923;asciilifeform;at least, not with regard to keys moving in/out.
1510055;1469551935;asciilifeform;sks peerings have to be enabled on BOTH ends
1510056;1469553269;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli
1510057;1469553269;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1510058;1469553510;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/07/hastert-fights-suit-over-unpaid-hush-money << breech->breach
1510059;1469553510;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510060;1469553552;BingoBoingo;ty, fxing though Hastert did have a thing for entering the breech
1510061;1469553722;ben_vulpes;http://www.northofreality.com/tales/2016/7/25/egg-encryption
1510062;1469553901;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: reminds me of 1990s gem 'the mizarian mice'
1510063;1469554000;mircea_popescu;o look at that, thestringpuller had the eth lulz in the logs earlier. wd eh.
1510064;1469554050;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, https://gist.github.com/anonymous/1d108b1837a182293818aaeb366b6933
1510065;1469554057;asciilifeform;(why they put it ~there~, i have nfi)
1510066;1469554253;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo Similarly ten percent of the mining interest in the Buterin blessed << more like 20 really.
1510067;1469554308;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1510068;1469557975;asciilifeform;from the dept of lulz, http://www.databreachtoday.com/dnc-breach-more-severe-than-first-believed-a-9287
1510069;1469557998;asciilifeform;i thought orlov was stretching the truth, but apparently not - the new Official Narrative is 'trump is ru agent'
1510070;1469558632;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That narrative has been hinted since March
1510071;1469558642;BingoBoingo;Maybe earlier
1510072;1469558777;asciilifeform;anyone here have a 'somethingawful' account ?
1510073;1469559549;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1510074;1469559552;gribble;Current Blocks: 422376 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 983 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 15 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1510075;1469559566;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1510076;1469559571;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 655.55, vol: 2998.33517588 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.0, vol: 4884.87185 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 656.36, vol: 19641.48497918 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 655.563666, vol: 144866.82960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 659.06, vol: 1116.54189106 | Volume-weighted last average: 655.43497803
1510077;1469563542;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/smeg.jpg
1510078;1469563548;asciilifeform;^ in a restaurant.
1510079;1469563749;BingoBoingo;Did someone not use a level when making floor?
1510080;1469563800;asciilifeform;possibly.
1510081;1469563856;BingoBoingo;Also vinyl "tile" in commercial setting?!
1510082;1469563884;asciilifeform;aha
1510083;1469563894;asciilifeform;and pretty common outside of the mcfood world
1510084;1469564093;BingoBoingo;Only suitable floor for commercial use is concrete, preferably reinforced.
1510085;1469564101;BingoBoingo;Especially in restaurants.
1510086;1469564129;BingoBoingo;Otherwise how are servers going to evacuate 1000 pound customers with the electric pallet jack and the fork truck?
1510087;1469564170;BingoBoingo;If nursing homes get fined for not doing this why not fine restaurants?
1510088;1469564239;BingoBoingo;Anyways the reason you can't use anything other than concrete is there's no way to deep clean the lesser floor materials
1510089;1469564310;asciilifeform;i generally do not go to places where you eat off the floor...
1510090;1469564385;BingoBoingo;That doesn't mean floor stops existing.
1510091;1469564448;asciilifeform;it means i have nfi why it has to be 'deep cleaned'
1510092;1469564496;BingoBoingo;Because 'Murica. Every now and then a disgruntled customer is going to shit on the floor. That's how food service works.
1510093;1469564510;BingoBoingo;At least in the United States
1510094;1469564540;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ought to vacation sometime, 100 mile from nearest monkeyman
1510095;1469564549;asciilifeform;he will enjoy, i promise
1510096;1469564569;asciilifeform;(the 100 is a minimum)
1510097;1469564580;BingoBoingo;Anyways vinyl your best hope is bleaching with bleach. Concrete you can bleach with concentrated HCL
1510098;1469564613;asciilifeform;vinyl is 'cleaned' by ripping off and new vinyl.
1510099;1469564637;BingoBoingo;And cheap plywood subfloor that probably isn't even oriented strand board?
1510100;1469564662;asciilifeform;what does BingoBoingo do atop of these, such that they require cleaning ?
1510101;1469564732;BingoBoingo;Why plan to limit the subset of acceptable activities when opening your commercial space to the public?
1510102;1469564788;*;asciilifeform pictures BingoBoingo building himself a house, then licensing with the city as 'grade A abbatoir' just-in-case...
1510103;1469564811;BingoBoingo;Nah prolly just license as "warehouse"
1510104;1469564853;BingoBoingo;or ark
1510105;1469564898;BingoBoingo;Phun Phact, The ark of the covenant was where the Jooz kept their GPG keys
1510106;1469564986;BingoBoingo;But anyways no amount of being able to cheaply rip up vinyl floor makes it suitable for customer evacuating pallet jack
1510107;1469565005;BingoBoingo;And fork truck
1510108;1469565091;asciilifeform;where can i donate to lobby for human fat to be assessed as fuel for purpose of fire code ?
1510109;1469565294;BingoBoingo;I think the political action committee for that is still 2-5 years away
1510110;1469565311;asciilifeform;lolk
1510111;1469565427;BingoBoingo;I mean if you move to small town midwest you could probably get such a rule done on your own in 18 months
1510112;1469565509;asciilifeform;yeah but then i'd be in smalltownmidwest.
1510113;1469565533;asciilifeform;and would be quite busy, e.g., buggering dead badgers to the tune of a banjo, or whatever it is that one does there.
1510114;1469565630;BingoBoingo;But you'd have fiber internet without signing soul over to Verizon/Comcast
1510115;1469565724;asciilifeform;from where ?
1510116;1469565729;asciilifeform;god drops fibre from heaven, or what
1510117;1469565830;BingoBoingo;From having already been built
1510118;1469565871;asciilifeform;built by whom ?
1510119;1469565941;BingoBoingo;By the people who live in the towns with 5kilo-20kilo people and want the internet to not suck, but they towns aren't so big demoocracy and Rhonda get in the way
1510120;1469565977;asciilifeform;what's a rhonda
1510121;1469566065;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/
1510122;1469566077;asciilifeform;ah
1510123;1469566119;BingoBoingo;Towns of that magical size where they can be like "fuck it, let the churches do the welfare"
1510124;1469566172;BingoBoingo;And nearest food stamp, HUD, Social Services office, is either a half hours drive away or a full day's walk away
1510125;1469566182;asciilifeform;any towns with church-curated fiber ?
1510126;1469566186;asciilifeform;might be interesting experience
1510127;1469566223;asciilifeform;and incidentally i am pretty sure that at this very moment i am in a town where the nearest foodstamp recipient is a full day's walk away.
1510128;1469566247;asciilifeform;and no residential fiber, believe or not, to be seen, anywhere.
1510129;1469566264;BingoBoingo;Nah, church doesn't get to touch fiber like town doesn't get to touch welfare
1510130;1469566277;BingoBoingo;Your problem is the coastiness
1510131;1469566348;asciilifeform;how's that a problem ?
1510132;1469566352;BingoBoingo;And these criteria on their own are not enough
1510133;1469566380;BingoBoingo;Coastiness is a problem because it breeds unwarranted self importance due to proximity to bigger cities
1510134;1469566430;BingoBoingo;Coastiness provides bad metrics for competing with neighboring towns
1510135;1469566446;asciilifeform;i am at a loss for how this adds up to 'no fiber'
1510136;1469566466;BingoBoingo;Coastiness also promotes more itinerants and less people attached to their location
1510137;1469566475;asciilifeform;mno. not here.
1510138;1469566487;asciilifeform;this place is perhaps 90+% moneyed retirees.
1510139;1469566533;BingoBoingo;Ah, so their problem is they don't work
1510140;1469566547;asciilifeform;of course not
1510141;1469566549;asciilifeform;why would they
1510142;1469566589;asciilifeform;so far my working hypothesis is that there is no fiber because it dun work on a yacht.
1510143;1469566613;BingoBoingo;Which is another coastal problem that prevents http://www.highlandcommunicationservices.com/residential-plans.htm
1510144;1469566644;asciilifeform;'highland communications' << tcp-over-bagpipe ?
1510145;1469566681;BingoBoingo;If bagpipe can carry gigabit
1510146;1469566683;asciilifeform;incidentally it would appear that BingoBoingo's isp ^ costs, ~to a penny, what verizon costs.
1510147;1469566702;asciilifeform;(at the GB tier, actually $100 MOAR)
1510148;1469566710;asciilifeform;so where is the win ?
1510149;1469566735;asciilifeform;if this existed in my locale, i'd be hard-pressed for a reason to switch to it
1510150;1469566744;BingoBoingo;The win is Verizon doesn't eat and Verizon isn't here anymore. Competition is Charter and Frontier.
1510151;1469566764;asciilifeform;tentacles of same octopus.
1510152;1469566778;asciilifeform;(frontier iirc consists now largely of off-loaded verizon units)
1510153;1469566829;BingoBoingo;Sure but verizon units as they were when offloaded so here copper
1510154;1469566836;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: when you say 'competition', do you mean that you can get fiber from the other 2 ?
1510155;1469566844;asciilifeform;or is dsl somehow 'competition'
1510156;1469566888;BingoBoingo;competition as in "internet that involves wired connection"
1510157;1469566892;asciilifeform;lol
1510158;1469566907;asciilifeform;then the matchstick chariot i made as a kid, pulled by beetles, is competition for ferrari.
1510159;1469566955;asciilifeform;(hey it beats on price!111)
1510160;1469567003;BingoBoingo;Except flip who built what vehicle
1510161;1469567047;asciilifeform;?
1510162;1469567068;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo I'm trying to find a place to look at seasons for various crops in various states...why is this so hard...
1510163;1469567068;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510164;1469567118;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: If ford and chevy offer cardboard wagon and you build actual metal truck to serve your need where is the problem?
1510165;1469567140;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Because one can not agriculture without having agricultured before
1510166;1469567170;BingoBoingo;It is agriCULTURE not agriGoogleandhopeforthebest
1510167;1469567184;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as 'farmer's almanac'
1510168;1469567190;asciilifeform;afaik in dead tree strictly.
1510169;1469567193;asciilifeform;go, read.
1510170;1469567220;asciilifeform;'when to plant x' is documented.
1510171;1469567225;asciilifeform;other things - not so much.
1510172;1469567533;BingoBoingo;It is one way to start getting familiar with the culture
1510173;1469567573;BingoBoingo;Different agricultures vary though. We grow loofah for sponge, Preet grows Loofah for eating, etc
1510174;1469567604;BingoBoingo;Sandwich tomato makes awfule sauce tomato, etc
1510175;1469570263;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510069 << high up there in the top of idiocies ustards will eat up.
1510176;1469570263;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 18:33 asciilifeform: i thought orlov was stretching the truth, but apparently not - the new Official Narrative is 'trump is ru agent'
1510177;1469570309;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510092 << this is an entirely novel idea...
1510178;1469570309;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 20:21 BingoBoingo: Because 'Murica. Every now and then a disgruntled customer is going to shit on the floor. That's how food service works.
1510179;1469570379;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510108 << this is altogether not such a bad idea. if halon gotta pay hazmat to fly, fatass sure as fuck gotta pay hazmat to be in airport.
1510180;1469570379;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 20:31 asciilifeform: where can i donate to lobby for human fat to be assessed as fuel for purpose of fire code ?
1510181;1469570485;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510113 << really, one does ~exactly what you do : keeps the fuck out of the way of neighbours and works on own pet projects.
1510182;1469570485;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 20:38 asciilifeform: and would be quite busy, e.g., buggering dead badgers to the tune of a banjo, or whatever it is that one does there.
1510183;1469570618;mircea_popescu;and wtf is with the "up to" menu. really, 400 dollars buys me "up to a steak" ? fuck that, how about his steak gets him UP TO 400 bucks, whatever i happen to have in my pocket.
1510184;1469570624;mircea_popescu;who the fuck came up with this idiocy already.
1510185;1469571946;mircea_popescu;o btw, how's chandler guo doing ? shall we add yet another skull of an usg-astroturfed-miner to the collection ?
1510186;1469571990;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do you recall the meanwhile-forgotten name of the derp who was doing this "oh i am a miner hurr" posturing maybe 6 months or so ago ?
1510187;1469572201;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Toomim?
1510188;1469572207;mircea_popescu;there you go.
1510189;1469572272;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and wtf is with the "up to" menu. really, 400 dollars buys me "up to a steak" ? fuck that, how about his steak gets him UP TO 400 bucks, whatever i happen to have in my pocket. << German settlement can not prevent every UStard idiocy from intruding
1510190;1469572292;mircea_popescu;fucking hillary clinton, all of them. "very important" and a big deal and "informed" and bla bla for the five fucking minutes the show's on. just like any stripper cum tv anchor / us "corporation" etcetera.
1510191;1469572657;BingoBoingo;Meanwhile from the idiot panic chamber http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/shock-poll-nate-silvers-election-forecast-now-has-trump-winning
1510192;1469572665;mircea_popescu;doh.
1510193;1469572788;BingoBoingo;Anyways I guess that's the other thing from selecting a midwestern nowhere I forgot to offer asciilifeform, if it took the world wars to get the local paper to print in English the town is probably better than others.
1510194;1469572795;mircea_popescu;should be interesting to see if he actually scraps nato.
1510195;1469572828;BingoBoingo;Or kinda turns Nato into a subscription sorta deal.
1510196;1469572846;mircea_popescu;it's ~the only reasonable move for the us ; but on the other hand it'd make the dotcom bust look like frog's piss in comparison to the bath the globalist "modern democracy" imbeciles would take.
1510197;1469572884;mircea_popescu;15% lol.
1510198;1469573024;mircea_popescu;http://news.alternet.org/files/screen_shot_2016-07-25_at_6.22.30_pm.png << the graph of ridiculous dreamer "hope". check that shit out, the idiots in the vats are actually saying the hillary electorare IS SLOW.
1510199;1469573050;mircea_popescu;you know, the low information voters and assorted clueless idiots take a week longer than the rednecks to form an opinion. hurr.
1510200;1469573068;mircea_popescu;why the fuck did they spend all that money on smartphones and college debt ; and all that time on social media then ?
1510201;1469573203;BingoBoingo;feels
1510202;1469573256;BingoBoingo;And Adipositivity
1510203;1469573264;BingoBoingo;And slow because "safe space"
1510204;1469573318;mircea_popescu;heh.
1510205;1469573369;mircea_popescu;anyway, the truth of the matter is that us citizens have no intellect or spine. a good third of the electorate just wants to vote with whoever's winning so as to then have voted for the winner. that's it.
1510206;1469573409;mircea_popescu;trump's having such a marked advantage so early, on top of a campaign entirely predicated on flattening everything and everyone (and implicitly "the man") draws that chunk of idiots in like shit draws flies.
1510207;1469573417;mircea_popescu;it's unfixable, by now.
1510208;1469573474;BingoBoingo;Basically the contrast is Trump tried to kill the GOP, suceeded. Hillary rode the DNC and happened to kill it in the process.
1510209;1469573579;BingoBoingo;Which is why if one owns a Ranch one must always include "no fat chicks" on their brand. Otherwise horses take quick trip to factory of glue
1510210;1469573911;ben_vulpes;never underestimate the pain of having to scrape a bumper sticker off your 2015 wrx
1510211;1469573923;BingoBoingo;https://media2.8ch.net/pol/src/1469151285987-0.jpg
1510212;1469573929;BingoBoingo;^ like that ben_vulpes
1510213;1469574061;ben_vulpes;aaah
1510214;1469574063;ben_vulpes;ah
1510215;1469574076;ben_vulpes;the brainbleach where is it
1510216;1469574079;ben_vulpes;help
1510217;1469574104;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: ffs man good oh fuck
1510218;1469574113;*;ben_vulpes flaps incoherently
1510219;1469575012;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo crazy, i get a blocked page
1510220;1469575046;mircea_popescu;and a warning re broken certificate. apparently  blocklist.rkn.gov.ru doesn't know how to do this right
1510221;1469575105;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0Q6D90C << hijacked page.
1510222;1469575789;asciilifeform;Доступ к запрашиваемому ресурсу ограничен << lel
1510223;1469575980;asciilifeform;why was mircea_popescu connecting via ru ?
1510224;1469576007;asciilifeform;(linked item is 'great firewall of ru' fuckyou page)
1510225;1469576410;mircea_popescu;must be what happened to pop to surface.
1510226;1469576537;asciilifeform;what next, chinese proxy, lel
1510227;1469576543;mircea_popescu;sure.
1510228;1469576645;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510186 << what i'd like to know is what became of that ~other~, quiet usg miner
1510229;1469576645;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 22:26 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you recall the meanwhile-forgotten name of the derp who was doing this "oh i am a miner hurr" posturing maybe 6 months or so ago ?
1510230;1469576684;asciilifeform;'telco 214'
1510231;1469576690;asciilifeform;$s telco 214
1510232;1469576691;a111;6 results for "telco 214", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=telco%20214
1510233;1469576705;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-17#1203888
1510234;1469576705;a111;Logged on 2015-07-17 01:50 asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.
1510235;1469577346;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/o-hey-is-it-november-yet/ << today is Pole Day.
1510236;1469578050;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Well, involved unpleasant scraping.
1510237;1469578147;mircea_popescu;in other holy shit javascript, a.b where a, b are strings results in the STRING "undefined" ; whereas a.concat(b) results in a string that's a followed by b.
1510238;1469578157;mircea_popescu;really ? who thought this makes sense and how did they figure it ?
1510239;1469578168;mircea_popescu;1+addition(5) = 6 ?
1510240;1469578996;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510077 << that's the kind of stuff you see at those new retro places, like marivana
1510241;1469578996;a111;Logged on 2016-07-26 20:05 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/smeg.jpg
1510242;1469579276;mircea_popescu;and in other breadboard news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2k7uiIYH41qdlisco1_500.gif
1510243;1469583122;deedbot;[Trilema] My First Bitcoin, or How Do I Get Some Satoshi ? - http://trilema.com/2016/my-first-bitcoin-or-how-do-i-get-some-satoshi/
1510244;1469583155;mircea_popescu;^ if anyone was looking for something to advertise.
1510245;1469587173;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4uq9h7/are_bitcoin_users_at_coinbase_exposed_in_an/d5rv46r
1510246;1469587453;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/4jmQD
1510247;1469588447;mircea_popescu;$up lru
1510248;1469588448;deedbot;lru voiced for 30 minutes.
1510249;1469589592;lru;a.b is asking for the 'b' property in the object a, which is undefined (the type, not the string), but since types can be automatically converted, and you're working with strings, the undefined type may have been turned into a string depending on use
1510250;1469589622;lru;a.b is the same as a['b'], since nearly everything in javascript is an object
1510251;1469589638;BingoBoingo;But how does this make baby?
1510252;1469589693;lru;the question was about "holy shit javascript" not "fucking javascript" :-)
1510253;1469589699;mircea_popescu;lru yeah. braindamaged fucking notation tho.
1510254;1469589721;mircea_popescu;btw, you got your pgp reg'd with deedbot ?
1510255;1469589834;lru;no... still mostly watching for now
1510256;1469589896;lru;is there a way to extract help from the deedbot?
1510257;1469589901;mircea_popescu;anyway, i fucking hate the notion of "implicit object".
1510258;1469589904;mircea_popescu;$help
1510259;1469589904;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1510260;1469589914;lru;thanks
1510261;1469589983;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510257 << always despised perl for this (among 1,001 other) reason
1510262;1469589983;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 03:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, i fucking hate the notion of "implicit object".
1510263;1469589998;asciilifeform;picture a pistol that shoots 'implicit object'.
1510264;1469590021;asciilifeform;(the marksman's head, but how is he to know)
1510265;1469590286;mircea_popescu;somehow the dot became so deeply "concat strings" that i'd first check "who the fuck is regexping this" perhaps ; but it'd never occur to me to say "you know what - it saw a dot it's now looking at a class"
1510266;1469590298;mircea_popescu;just, totally out of left field.
1510267;1469592462;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/#comment-118269 win
1510268;1469592523;mircea_popescu;hehe
1510269;1469592536;mircea_popescu;i thought you'll appreciate that.
1510270;1469593254;BingoBoingo;Serious problems. Scarcity is a thing.
1510271;1469596094;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: Coinbase insolvency claims!
1510272;1469596459;thestringpuller;evoorhees is shameless pusherman from now til infinity: https://twitter.com/ErikVoorhees/status/758076581457776640
1510273;1469597676;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] οὐδέ κεν οἵ γε  γηράντεσσι τοκεῦσιν ἀπὸ θρεπτήρια δοῖεν  χειροδίκαι - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/26/%ce%bf%e1%bd%90%ce%b4%ce%ad-%ce%ba%ce%b5%ce%bd-%ce%bf%e1%bc%b5-%ce%b3%ce%b5-%ce%b3%ce%b7%cf%81%ce%ac%ce%bd%cf%84%ce%b5%cf%83%cf%83%ce%b9-%cf%84%ce%bf%ce%ba%ce%b5%e1%bf%a6%cf%83%ce%b9%ce%bd-%e1%bc%80/
1510274;1469597676;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] ἄφρων δ᾽, ὅς κ᾽ ἐθέλῃ πρὸς κρείσσονας ἀντιφερίζειν - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/26/%e1%bc%84%cf%86%cf%81%cf%89%ce%bd-%ce%b4%e1%be%bd-%e1%bd%85%cf%82-%ce%ba%e1%be%bd-%e1%bc%90%ce%b8%ce%ad%ce%bb%e1%bf%83-%cf%80%cf%81%e1%bd%b8%cf%82-%ce%ba%cf%81%ce%b5%ce%af%cf%83%cf%83%ce%bf%ce%bd/
1510275;1469597676;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] οἵ τε μελισσάων κάματον τρύχουσιν ἀεργοὶ  ἔσθοντες - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/26/%ce%bf%e1%bc%b5-%cf%84%ce%b5-%ce%bc%ce%b5%ce%bb%ce%b9%cf%83%cf%83%ce%ac%cf%89%ce%bd-%ce%ba%ce%ac%ce%bc%ce%b1%cf%84%ce%bf%ce%bd-%cf%84%cf%81%cf%8d%cf%87%ce%bf%cf%85%cf%83%ce%b9%ce%bd-%e1%bc%80%ce%b5/
1510276;1469598308;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/17Qk
1510277;1469598308;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510278;1469610937;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/17UP
1510279;1469610938;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510280;1469618039;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1510281;1469618041;gribble;Current Blocks: 422461 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 1 hour, 42 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1510282;1469624270;asciilifeform;in other noose, https://developers.slashdot.org/story/16/07/26/2218257/eu-plans-to-create-database-of-bitcoin-users-with-identities-and-wallet-addresses
1510283;1469624289;asciilifeform;'"The European Commission is proposing the creation of a database that will hold information on users of virtual currencies," reports Softpedia. "The database will record data on the user's real world identity, along with all associated wallet addresses." The database will be made available to financial investigation agencies in order to track down users behind suspicious operations. The creation of
1510284;1469624295;asciilifeform; this database is part of a regulatory push that the EU got rolling after the Paris November 2015 terror attacks, and which it officially put forward in February 2016, and later approved at the start of July 2016. Legally, this is an attempt to reform the Anti-Money Laundering Directive (AMLD).'
1510285;1469625139;jurov;http://thehackernews.com/2016/07/tor-deep-web-spying.html
1510286;1469625150;jurov;According to the Tor developers, the new design will deploy a distributed random generation system that has "never been deployed before on the Internet."
1510287;1469625212;jurov;"never been deployed before" is an advantage nao!
1510288;1469625369;shinohai;http://bitcoinocracy.com/addresses/1KwA4fS4uVuCNjCtMivE7m5ATbv93UZg8V
1510289;1469625501;shinohai;this whole shit repository is hilarious
1510290;1469626362;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 packaged that experimental stuff into iso, will build from disk alone
1510291;1469626362;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510292;1469628783;felipelalli;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503818 << mircea_popescu a) the main issue to me is the language, I'm afraid w/ my English, I'd like to dominate more than I do. b) I'm sorry for that too. It's being very hard to keep up to date here, you guys are too fast for me! :) Also again the language is an obstacle sometimes which makes 3x harder to undertand than the normal.
1510293;1469628783;a111;Logged on 2016-07-16 13:01 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell felipelalli so a) write it and b) stop leaving, this is intended for permanent residence not hit-and-run actions.
1510294;1469629798;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
1510295;1469629799;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 653.51, Best ask: 653.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 653.79, 24 hour volume: 11867.10367925, 24 hour low: 646.44, 24 hour high: 657.61, 24 hour vwap: None
1510296;1469629904;deedbot;[Qntra] Coinbase Fumbling Through Ether Huffing Fork Experience - http://qntra.net/2016/07/coinbase-fumbling-through-ether-huffing-fork-experience/
1510297;1469630046;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: why mpex isn't listed on Google anymore? https://www.google.com.br/#safe=off&q=mpex  I just realized that yesterday, is that purposeful?
1510298;1469630245;BingoBoingo;interesting
1510299;1469630414;deedbot;[Qntra] EU Trying A Bitcoin Registry Seeing How Regulation Fails - http://qntra.net/2016/07/eu-trying-a-bitcoin-registry-seeing-how-regulation-fails/
1510300;1469631434;deedbot;[Qntra] John Hinckley Junior Released From Psychiatric Hospital - http://qntra.net/2016/07/john-hinckley-junior-released-from-psychiatric-hospital/
1510301;1469631875;BingoBoingo;Poles http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-5949.html
1510302;1469632257;mats;finally got a letter from OPM about being compromised
1510303;1469632289;mats;they offered three years of free identity theft protection and monitoring services, fucking useless
1510304;1469632354;shinohai;-__-
1510305;1469633243;thestringpuller;well the coinbase story thickens
1510306;1469633249;thestringpuller;people are stealing ETC from them
1510307;1469633253;thestringpuller;using replay attacks
1510308;1469633277;thestringpuller;coinbase signs an ETH-HF tx, so then attacker takes same transaction and announces it on the other chain
1510309;1469633299;thestringpuller;this is a fiasco.
1510310;1469633316;*;thestringpuller continues popping morning corn
1510311;1469633493;jurov;hehe,and can this ever be prevented? i can't see how to reliably ensure propagation of divergent transactions to sides of hardfork
1510312;1469633546;jurov;one has to repeatedly send to self addresses, till there's desired result on both chains, no?
1510313;1469633813;jurov;!up vexare
1510314;1469633813;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1510315;1469633816;jurov;$up vexare
1510316;1469633816;deedbot;vexare voiced for 30 minutes.
1510317;1469633866;*;vexare didn't really needed that
1510318;1469634719;asciilifeform;in other 'yesterday's nobel is tommorrow's homework' noose, http://thehackernews.com/2016/07/wireless-keylogger.html
1510319;1469634755;asciilifeform;double-lul sandwich, in fact, because contains:
1510320;1469634756;asciilifeform;'The KeySniffer vulnerability affects wireless keyboards from eight different hardware manufacturers that use cheap transceiver chips (non-Bluetooth chips) – a less secure, radio-based communication protocol.
1510321;1469634760;asciilifeform;The issue with these chips is that they don’t receive Bluetooth’s frequent security updates.
1510322;1469634763;asciilifeform;'
1510323;1469634769;asciilifeform;RUN MOAR UPDATEZ!1111
1510324;1469634850;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510282 << eu also plans to sell me a few hundred daughters and sisters of politicians by the pound for salami purposes.
1510325;1469634850;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 12:57 asciilifeform: in other noose, https://developers.slashdot.org/story/16/07/26/2218257/eu-plans-to-create-database-of-bitcoin-users-with-identities-and-wallet-addresses
1510326;1469634864;mircea_popescu;unfortunately, the eu is more ineffectual than even argentina.
1510327;1469634870;asciilifeform;delish
1510328;1469634879;mircea_popescu;more like rachelish.
1510329;1469634899;asciilifeform;wake me up for the long pig barbecue.
1510330;1469634928;mircea_popescu;so far, entirely a war of words on both sides.
1510331;1469634950;BingoBoingo;<thestringpuller> well the coinbase story thickens << Note edit I made to your coinbase story
1510332;1469634955;asciilifeform;well, that and of rubbish alts
1510333;1469634972;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510286 << god almighty. this may be the dumbest thing i ever heard.
1510334;1469634972;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 13:12 jurov: According to the Tor developers, the new design will deploy a distributed random generation system that has "never been deployed before on the Internet."
1510335;1469635011;mircea_popescu;who the fuck runs tor, hillary's campaign management ? "shit positively known not to work, will be sold as distributed and hipstery". THE WOMAN IS LOSING ON THIS SCRITP! IT DUN WERK!!!111
1510336;1469635012;mircea_popescu;idiots.
1510337;1469635081;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510292 << the language is an obstacle in understanding just like the hymen is an obstacle in fucking. grind that shit down! then it won't be an obstacle anymore.
1510338;1469635081;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 14:13 felipelalli: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-16#1503818 << mircea_popescu a) the main issue to me is the language, I'm afraid w/ my English, I'd like to dominate more than I do. b) I'm sorry for that too. It's being very hard to keep up to date here, you guys are too fast for me! :) Also again the language is an obstacle sometimes which makes 3x harder to undertand than the normal.
1510339;1469635228;trinque;surely by now no one around here is taking pride in his mastery of the great english language.
1510340;1469635232;trinque;:D
1510341;1469635243;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510297 << probably because google isn't listed on mpex.
1510342;1469635243;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 14:34 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: why mpex isn't listed on Google anymore? https://www.google.com.br/#safe=off&q=mpex  I just realized that yesterday, is that purposeful?
1510343;1469635261;mircea_popescu;lmao trinque there also is that!
1510344;1469635317;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510303 << "and a donut".
1510345;1469635317;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 15:11 mats: they offered three years of free identity theft protection and monitoring services, fucking useless
1510346;1469635351;mircea_popescu;if you think about it, it's a fucking great ploy to get people perma-subscribed to those "services" like they're perma-subscribed to "paying MIT & friends hedge funds".
1510347;1469635394;mircea_popescu;back in communist romania, "oamenii muncii" ie the "men of working" had to pay whatever off paycheck each month for "investments". just about the same thing, really.
1510348;1469635415;asciilifeform;in su, 'union' membership
1510349;1469635423;mircea_popescu;there was that, also. separate.
1510350;1469635456;asciilifeform;oh and party dues
1510351;1469635477;mircea_popescu;"why live in sane country making 500 a month ? come to AMERICA!!!11 make 5000 a month except pay 3000 here and 1800 there and 300 there and 50 there and 15 rthere and no you can't stop these fucking terrorist, you want to bring your own tribal ways to civilisation ?!?!?! make 5000 a month means you owe 500 each month! doh!"
1510352;1469635514;mircea_popescu;how to ruin a beautiful thing. start taking in the ustardian propaganda, actually believe it, there you go.
1510353;1469635543;asciilifeform;well the only thing behind the 5000 is that the workerbee owes 5000-epsilon
1510354;1469635565;asciilifeform;if it were 50000 - would be 50000-epsilon. and after a few rounds of printolade, probably will.
1510355;1469635570;mircea_popescu;epsilon my foot, by now it's like 50%
1510356;1469635586;mircea_popescu;it was epsilon back in the day, when the shit was getting started, 1980s.
1510357;1469635588;asciilifeform;who keeps 50%!?
1510358;1469635593;asciilifeform;epsilon ~remains~
1510359;1469635611;mircea_popescu;no, my numbers above are 5000 owe 500, ie 10% not epsilon
1510360;1469635614;mircea_popescu;irl,  closer to 50%.
1510361;1469635639;asciilifeform;who the hell lives in 500 in usa ?!
1510362;1469635644;asciilifeform;indians on reservation?
1510363;1469635651;mircea_popescu;he "makes" 5000 spends 5500.
1510364;1469635659;asciilifeform;ah we have a sign inversion.
1510365;1469635663;asciilifeform;lolk
1510366;1469635665;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefield-of-the-future/#selection-89.90-89.662 << this at work, ever again, in all socialist processes.
1510367;1469635685;mircea_popescu;first, "epsilon" going the wrong way. soon enough, that's 10% then 1000% then infinity% AND STILL KEEPS GROWING.
1510368;1469635693;mircea_popescu;we have a sign inversion and they have a graph crossing.
1510369;1469635885;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510308 << doh. as was explained back in the day we for the first time in "the blockchain technology space" explained how a hard fork resolves economically, cca 2014ish. meanwhile the "technology leaders" of one intern and rented offices got a little overrun by events.
1510370;1469635885;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 15:27 thestringpuller: coinbase signs an ETH-HF tx, so then attacker takes same transaction and announces it on the other chain
1510371;1469635888;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: typical schmuck in ro owes 0 ?
1510372;1469635895;mircea_popescu;such great vc pick, coinbase, really.
1510373;1469635908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform typical ro schmuck owns 1k sqft of real estate and 2 cars.
1510374;1469635933;mircea_popescu;same of typical schmuck in ru, india, argentina or whatever else. lebanon.
1510375;1469635951;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in ru most are mortgaged to the hilt now
1510376;1469635961;asciilifeform;i cannot speak for the rest
1510377;1469635983;mircea_popescu;well, plenty of that, sure.
1510378;1469635989;asciilifeform;and looking at the ar real estate catalogue, i would bet same is true there
1510379;1469636006;asciilifeform;who exactly will cash-buy the $150K cockroach flats in buenos aires ?
1510380;1469636013;mircea_popescu;it's complicated, argentinians are not intellectually advanced enough to have banking.
1510381;1469636023;mircea_popescu;they have some sort of tribal arrangement, but fuck me if i can explain it sensibly.
1510382;1469636044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform children of middle class cleptocracy parents.
1510383;1469636049;shinohai;beads and wampum?
1510384;1469636052;mircea_popescu;they do this. president cash-bought 100+ cars as "retirement"
1510385;1469636068;mircea_popescu;i kid you not, with this. i know it's absurd. but she did do it.
1510386;1469636181;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510311 << you first split the pot by self-sending, then send off the splits. the speciffic attack is discussed in the logs, iirc davout even had a mock implementation back when it looked like the imbeciles may be dumb enough to need the stick applied physically.
1510387;1469636181;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 15:31 jurov: hehe,and can this ever be prevented? i can't see how to reliably ensure propagation of divergent transactions to sides of hardfork
1510388;1469636235;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510321 << bwahahaha pretty good.
1510389;1469636235;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 15:52 asciilifeform: The issue with these chips is that they don’t receive Bluetooth’s frequent security updates.
1510390;1469636469;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510384 << this might not be as monumentally stupid as it appears to be: what ~else~ can orc 1) buy 2) hide 3) sell, even for a tenth of what he paid, later
1510391;1469636469;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 16:14 mircea_popescu: they do this. president cash-bought 100+ cars as "retirement"
1510392;1469636477;asciilifeform;yes the cars are worth a tenth. so.
1510393;1469636487;asciilifeform;what's else to buy? gold? and then sell where?
1510394;1469636490;mircea_popescu;bitcoin.
1510395;1469636494;asciilifeform;and sell where?
1510396;1469636496;mircea_popescu;and don't tell me "she didn't know". she "knew".
1510397;1469636500;mircea_popescu;same place she bought it.
1510398;1469636502;asciilifeform;car is pretty much as liquid in orc world as can be.
1510399;1469636514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fly by pulling bootstraps much ?
1510400;1469636549;mircea_popescu;i do not follow ?
1510401;1469636570;asciilifeform;paint the picture for my education: where should the gang have bought btc ?
1510402;1469636608;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/ <
1510403;1469636613;mircea_popescu;i've been here for years have i not ?
1510404;1469636621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would take their playmoneyz ?
1510405;1469636626;asciilifeform;in the requisite qty ?
1510406;1469636634;mircea_popescu;with the requisite deals, certainly.
1510407;1469636646;asciilifeform;my understanding was that ~nobody actually ~wants~ these pesos
1510408;1469636652;mircea_popescu;but old whore wants to die as rat.
1510409;1469636663;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i would have taken these pesos, on some reasonable conditions.
1510410;1469636678;asciilifeform;e.g., appointment as viceroy ? or wat
1510411;1469636687;mircea_popescu;which yes, do include arresting turner if he shows up within the borders.
1510412;1469636696;asciilifeform;lolk
1510413;1469636699;mircea_popescu;what lolk ?
1510414;1469636713;mircea_popescu;that deal would have been infinitely better FOR HER
1510415;1469636715;asciilifeform;may as well ask for three castles and some daughter-salami
1510416;1469636719;mircea_popescu;than having usg.macri in.
1510417;1469636726;mircea_popescu;quite exactly asking. so what if i ask ?
1510418;1469636730;mircea_popescu;old woman may not refuse.
1510419;1469636740;asciilifeform;well seems like refused, neh ?
1510420;1469636751;mircea_popescu;review your favourite http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-18#1504508
1510421;1469636751;a111;Logged on 2016-07-18 00:48 asciilifeform whistles the impalement theme from 'ogniem i mieczem'...
1510422;1469636761;mircea_popescu;old woman says yes to one, then yes to another, then yes again to the first
1510423;1469636763;asciilifeform;aha?
1510424;1469636766;mircea_popescu;why ? she knows what happens if she says no.
1510425;1469636778;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so much refused as "old whore wants to die as a rat."
1510426;1469636797;*;asciilifeform insufficiently familiar with the oldwhore et al to expand on this
1510427;1469636818;mircea_popescu;resolving the "live as dog or die as rat" dilemma by "it's easier to die as rat" seems stupid, but then again who knows what goes on through old whore's head. (her ass.)
1510428;1469636828;asciilifeform;i dun have a solid feel for what it is that ar folk actually ~want~ from life
1510429;1469636837;mircea_popescu;i do, and it ain't pretty.
1510430;1469636838;asciilifeform;'90s ru - i can grasp, yes
1510431;1469636848;asciilifeform;i sort of modelled ar as a kind of spanish '90s ru
1510432;1469636852;asciilifeform;mentally
1510433;1469636854;mircea_popescu;no, they're ustards^2. they "just want things to be good"
1510434;1469636884;asciilifeform;i thought these were folx with 'no two empanadas to rub together'
1510435;1469636891;mircea_popescu;lazy, stupid and desocialized, but not at all for genetic reasons. they're lazy like a schizophrenic patient with waxy paralysis is "lazy".
1510436;1469636895;asciilifeform;and itching for 'hay mas futuro'
1510437;1469636899;mircea_popescu;and for the exact same reason, entirely lost real anchoring.
1510438;1469636929;mircea_popescu;idem stupid, idem desocialized. the fundamental problem is that they believe a lie, and the lie became more important than anything, and as such they literally live in those vats.
1510439;1469636938;mircea_popescu;so much so they actually welcome rape as salvation.\
1510440;1469636952;asciilifeform;'a lie', singular ?
1510441;1469636973;mircea_popescu;well yes singular. globalization amirite ? all lies merge if they get large enough.
1510442;1469637082;mircea_popescu;the case of the unfucked middle aged woman is entirely illustrative here.
1510443;1469637186;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/#selection-153.0-185.55 << that one.
1510444;1469637551;danielpbarron;$up proslogion
1510445;1469637551;deedbot;proslogion voiced for 30 minutes.
1510446;1469638315;asciilifeform;http://archive.is/hDemD << lel
1510447;1469638322;asciilifeform;'Kraken opens classic ether (ETC) markets and credits ETC to accounts'
1510448;1469639787;shinohai;O.o
1510449;1469641486;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510414 << thinking about this, there are many moar folx who 'ought to be bitcoining but are - as far as anyone can tell - not'
1510450;1469641486;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 16:25 mircea_popescu: that deal would have been infinitely better FOR HER
1510451;1469641496;asciilifeform;e.g., isis et al
1510452;1469641528;asciilifeform;various supposed 'revolutionaries' keep their fiatola, either in hefty physical bags which then feature in mexican confiscation porn,
1510453;1469641541;asciilifeform;or in panamanian banks, which, lately, ditto
1510454;1469641575;asciilifeform;i suspect that the main problem is the computer.
1510455;1469641593;asciilifeform;the gut of the savage senses - correctly - the witchcraft therein
1510456;1469641626;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-23#1509120
1510457;1469641626;a111;Logged on 2016-07-23 16:07 mircea_popescu: oh, right, there's also a whole pile of claims re insider trading, manipulation etc over the "price" of "ethereum" at kraken and poloniex.
1510458;1469641633;asciilifeform;and opts to buy the 100 cars, which, for all of their problems, cannot disappear silently in the middle of the night because a button were pressed in ftmeade
1510459;1469641641;mircea_popescu;everyone yielded.
1510460;1469641650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: interesting..
1510461;1469641665;mircea_popescu;everyone, everywhere, entirely.
1510462;1469641680;asciilifeform;'etc' still trading 10 per 1 'eth' neh ?
1510463;1469641873;mircea_popescu;so ? usg.mit spent close to 100mn to prop up eth for the past month ; now they're in the position where "the bad hacker" has a shitton of eth-c to give to "the people" to vote for him. they will, what's more, as per the usg system THEY ARE RIGHT TO. it is the "correct" modern-democracy socialist thing to do.
1510464;1469641891;mircea_popescu;meanwhile the eth "rednecks" are "acting against their own interest". as per usg verbiage now current.
1510465;1469641909;asciilifeform;i have not been keeping up with the details: where did the 'eth' fork people move the dao coins to ?
1510466;1469641913;mircea_popescu;never in modern history has anyone made the lizzards eat their own vomit to the degree of splendour.
1510467;1469641921;mircea_popescu;orlov has a hardon for putin, but putin never ever came close to this.
1510468;1469641923;asciilifeform;(are they simply out of circulation? or usable somewhere)
1510469;1469641934;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "sent back to legitimate owners" in the sense of maybe.
1510470;1469641945;asciilifeform;l0l! for re-rape ?
1510471;1469641946;mircea_popescu;but the race is on, and somehow they will have to pay largesse to the mob. whence from ? we'll see.
1510472;1469641961;mircea_popescu;but - they spent all this time and effort, to protect something... that they just lost control of.
1510473;1469641973;mircea_popescu;and now they gotta pay more for the priviledge of having paid in the past.
1510474;1469642007;mircea_popescu;i call this... the obamacare.
1510475;1469642151;mircea_popescu;"i'll pay your son to rape your wife with money taken from your house" is the byline of the revolution.
1510476;1469642189;mircea_popescu;used to be known as "i'll break your arms off and beat you to shit with them", back in the day.
1510477;1469642262;asciilifeform;so... has an 'eth trb' yet appeared ?
1510478;1469642277;asciilifeform;or are the 'etc' folk stuck using last month's client forever.
1510479;1469642325;mircea_popescu;they'll just merge-develop.
1510480;1469642326;asciilifeform;(if this, they will eventually be candidates for anal reeducation, just as we would have been sans trb)
1510481;1469642340;mircea_popescu;scamcoin needs no treth.
1510482;1469642395;asciilifeform;it does, in the sense that mit et al could handily sink the 'etc' by exploiting the vulns which they, themselves, created
1510483;1469642407;asciilifeform;in exactly the same style as everywhere else in drepperland
1510484;1469642676;mircea_popescu;lmao
1510485;1469642913;mircea_popescu;btw, this is your cue to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-20#1507109
1510486;1469642913;a111;Logged on 2016-07-20 15:16 mircea_popescu: you're wide open, in a security sense, because of this notion of cleanliness.
1510487;1469642928;asciilifeform;hm?
1510488;1469642929;mircea_popescu;you're a one track mind the likes i've never seen. "gotta clean"
1510489;1469642934;mircea_popescu;anyway. ima be off to town. laters.
1510490;1469642946;asciilifeform;i dun really have strong shit to give re what happens to this or that alt.
1510491;1469642966;asciilifeform;but point out, that enemy has certain strenghths and will use'em before it expires.
1510492;1469642993;asciilifeform;and 'clean' is not a word i apply to cmachineware.
1510493;1469643019;asciilifeform;it can be 'clean' relatively, as a public toilet sometimes is
1510494;1469643051;asciilifeform;but to use same word for it, as for clean dishes to eat from, is an abuse.
1510495;1469643415;thestringpuller;GreenAddress acquired by blockstream
1510496;1469643428;thestringpuller;dunno if qntra-worthy
1510497;1469643591;phf;who acquired by whom?
1510498;1469643686;asciilifeform;what even WAS it ?
1510499;1469644089;danielpbarron;it was a "wallet" that used nLockTime to make "secure" 0-conf transactions if i'm not mistaken. And I think they also publicly took a stand against a bitcoin hard fork at some point. They had a representative in the chat under the nickname 'GAit' but never registered a GPG key.
1510500;1469644124;asciilifeform;i thought the 'lock' bullshit required fork ?
1510501;1469644130;asciilifeform;(to ~actually~ work)
1510502;1469644135;*;danielpbarron shrugs
1510503;1469644165;asciilifeform;as per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920116
1510504;1469644165;a111;Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
1510505;1469644184;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920112 << thread.
1510506;1469644184;a111;Logged on 2014-11-13 19:04 asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
1510507;1469644229;asciilifeform;'physical bitcoin', as recently discussed, was/is a clunky, orcish version of this same thing.
1510508;1469644259;thestringpuller;well nlocktime is only supposed to be used between trusted parties
1510509;1469644259;thestringpuller;as you discussed years ago
1510510;1469644276;asciilifeform;iirc traditional bitcoin doesn't actually enforce locktimes.
1510511;1469644286;thestringpuller;i.e. i give my heir transaction that gives him all my btc after nlocktime block arrives (maybe 20-40 years from now)
1510512;1469644292;thestringpuller;it doesn't
1510513;1469644305;thestringpuller;but if you sign a tx with nlocktime mienrs won't mine it until after nlocktime has passed
1510514;1469644312;thestringpuller;so you can double spend it.
1510515;1469644316;asciilifeform;who's 'it' ?
1510516;1469644324;thestringpuller;the inputs funding the transaction
1510517;1469644328;danielpbarron;might have been a n-of-m key escrow then -- where greenaddress is one of the keys and that's supposed to mean you can trust their 0-conf
1510518;1469644334;asciilifeform;no, i ask, ~who won't mine~
1510519;1469644348;asciilifeform;so long as trb node accepts a hypothetical block as valid, it is mineable.
1510520;1469644355;thestringpuller;you can't mine based on the protocol. nlocktime means the transaction isn't valid until nlocktime has passed
1510521;1469644370;thestringpuller;so you can't put it in the block chain it just sits in mempool until nlocktime passes
1510522;1469644391;thestringpuller;with OP_CLTV that opcode allows you to mine a transaction with nlocktime set
1510523;1469644404;thestringpuller;which was from softfork in like 2014/2015 or something
1510524;1469644450;thestringpuller;i always viewed nlocktime tx's as MPEx "PUSH all in case key is compromised" tactic
1510525;1469644539;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0444
1510526;1469644628;asciilifeform;do i have to draw the picture here ?
1510527;1469644665;asciilifeform;and guess what else, http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/search?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option&_filestring=&_string=OP_CLTV
1510528;1469644674;asciilifeform;'0 occurences found.'
1510529;1469644679;asciilifeform;this garbage is not in bitcoin.
1510530;1469644682;thestringpuller;I KNOW
1510531;1469644684;thestringpuller;"nLockTime is a parameter that can be attached to a transaction, that mandates a minimal time (specified in either unix time or block height), that before this time, the transaction cannot be accepted into a block."
1510532;1469644707;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: read the linked routine. is this the actual effect ?
1510533;1469644734;asciilifeform;i could spoil the 'surprise', but why.
1510534;1469644788;thestringpuller;appears to return true if transaction's nlocktime < thresholds
1510535;1469644834;asciilifeform;and if not ?
1510536;1469644928;thestringpuller;wait is return true for failure?
1510537;1469644953;asciilifeform;IsFinal NEVER RETURNS FALSE
1510538;1469644955;asciilifeform;for fucks sake.
1510539;1469645002;thestringpuller;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0448 << it kinda does :P
1510540;1469645006;thestringpuller;it's sorta pregnant
1510541;1469645041;asciilifeform;well yes, if input is nonfinal.
1510542;1469645048;asciilifeform;but notice, never as a consequence of locktime.
1510543;1469645088;*;asciilifeform also finds it interesting that the locktime nonsense is checked prior to testing the ins
1510544;1469645088;thestringpuller;Weird. It works in practice. (I made an nlock transaction in mid 2013 and it worked as advertised)
1510545;1469645110;thestringpuller;didn't realize is it was this poorly written but that's not surprising
1510546;1469645113;thestringpuller;cause satoshi smoked dope
1510547;1469645134;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: what EXTANT miners CHOOSE to mine, and what COULD be mined, if there were sane folks mining, are quite distinct things.
1510548;1469645140;asciilifeform;see the high-S case.
1510549;1469645192;thestringpuller;I get that. I guess I'd have to do more investigation. Make a bunch of nlocktime transaction and see how to break it. cause it wasn't used until peter todd made OP_CLTV abomination for segwit/ln
1510550;1469645203;thestringpuller;used widely*
1510551;1469645218;thestringpuller;I don't recall seeing any nlocktime tx's in the wild
1510552;1469645310;asciilifeform;thing is, you won't see 'break' unless a miner cooperates
1510553;1469645380;thestringpuller;how so? is miner running custom code to say "i'ma put nlocktime tx in this block"
1510554;1469645409;asciilifeform;same deal as for high-S
1510555;1469645437;thestringpuller;i thought the high-S thing was due to PRB nodes fellating low-S transactions until they became high-S ones.
1510556;1469645448;asciilifeform;~0 hashrate behind 100%-everything-trb-will-happily-eat protocol breadth
1510557;1469645455;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: mno
1510558;1469645466;asciilifeform;it is about miners spitting on a perfectly valid, per trb rules, tx
1510559;1469645471;asciilifeform;until someone deigns to repaint it
1510560;1469645504;thestringpuller;yea. but i'm looking at core code and the nlocktime thing seems untouched until peter todd era
1510561;1469645527;thestringpuller;so I dunno what I don't know.
1510562;1469645570;thestringpuller;the high-s thing was cause mtgox had terrible accountants and forced miners to do the high-s thing
1510563;1469645601;asciilifeform;http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=0.10.0#0722 << still quite the same in prb 10 !!
1510564;1469645631;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: i have nfi how mtgox could have 'forced miners' to anything whatsoever.
1510565;1469645644;asciilifeform;esp. with regards to pissing on PERFECTLY VALID tx
1510566;1469645655;asciilifeform;'i won't mine this because i dun like the colour of its shoes'
1510567;1469645660;thestringpuller;mtgox halted withdrawals until core implemented the high-S thing in PRB.
1510568;1469645668;thestringpuller;This was a softfork iirc.
1510569;1469645690;asciilifeform;there is, as the moral of this thread in fact is, ~no such thing~ as 'softfork'
1510570;1469645703;asciilifeform;there is idiot miners colluding to narrow the protocol in arbitrary ways
1510571;1469645718;asciilifeform;this can end IMMEDIATELY if, say, we had a mining op.
1510572;1469645720;thestringpuller;yes. there is miner collusion to make rules more "granular" without permission from nodes
1510573;1469645738;thestringpuller;mining op is expensive and every miner i've procured has been a borderline drug deal
1510574;1469645749;thestringpuller;i don't know why anyone in their right mine would want to mine
1510575;1469645754;thestringpuller;mind*
1510576;1469645756;asciilifeform;that's the issue, aha
1510577;1469645760;trinque;anyone ever written an existing miner?
1510578;1469645790;thestringpuller;i bet someone is still running Diablo miner....
1510579;1469645812;asciilifeform;trinque: i wrote an fpga thing, long ago.
1510580;1469645819;asciilifeform;it was not remarkable.
1510581;1469645843;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: Mining operation has to be subsidized with some other activity.
1510582;1469645857;thestringpuller;I suspect Chinese miners are just glorified money launderers.
1510583;1469645859;trinque;no, written someone *operating* a mine
1510584;1469645902;thestringpuller;trinque: we had one during ATC days hanging out in chan, but he was doing it for shits and giggles and not as business.
1510585;1469645909;trinque;perhaps one of the heads of the foundation could do that diplomacy
1510586;1469645936;trinque;unless someone here itches to burn millions
1510587;1469645940;thestringpuller;it seems most mining operations turn into scams tho. i've yet to see a "legit" operation.
1510588;1469645974;thestringpuller;trinque: you don't need to burn millions to mine 1 block a day (more than enoguh for tmsr) you need about $150k starting capital and some good luck to hope difficulty doesn't skyrocket on you
1510589;1469645985;asciilifeform;eh if we write to some chinese bloke (and is there a known miner in the WOT? afaik there is not, nor any reason to ever expect there to be),
1510590;1469645990;asciilifeform;and he writes back that he uses prb,
1510591;1469645991;trinque;"good luck to hope" isn't a business plan
1510592;1469646000;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu will helpfully remind us that this is not a REAL miner
1510593;1469646004;asciilifeform;and real meta-miners use ???.
1510594;1469646026;asciilifeform;anyway i am not convinced that it is possible to actually talk to a miner.
1510595;1469646040;thestringpuller;trinque: it isn't, but unfortunately the way chip distribution is pretty much a cartel, you're at the whim of the universe in terms of profitibility.
1510596;1469646088;asciilifeform;you cannot talk to pond scum. they dun have names, or identities.
1510597;1469646092;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: eveyone from Gigavps to friedcat turned out scammer.
1510598;1469646096;trinque;fucking nonsense
1510599;1469646107;thestringpuller;so I personally think mining facilitates a scammer mindset
1510600;1469646107;asciilifeform;you ~could~ find someone who will 'i speak for the trees! for the trees, have no tongues!'
1510601;1469646112;asciilifeform;but this is not quite same thing.
1510602;1469646120;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: mining is -EV and therefore necessarily entails scamming.
1510603;1469646130;trinque;this magical world where there is never a reason to do something is not one I inhabit
1510604;1469646134;asciilifeform;it is only a question of who the chump is in a given operation.
1510605;1469646142;trinque;$s and anyway
1510606;1469646142;a111;1507 results for "and anyway", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=and%20anyway
1510607;1469646155;thestringpuller;trinque: there is if you want to succumb to radiation poisoning in 3 months.
1510608;1469646187;thestringpuller;i've put some miners in a colo I trust near my house, but i don't see it growing anytime soon due to chip procurement
1510609;1469646206;thestringpuller;i also don't like putting dollars into miners when I could put them into bitcoins
1510610;1469646214;asciilifeform;trinque: if one day someone controls serious % of hash rate, and wishes to prove it publicly right here - you will be right, and i - wrong.
1510611;1469646224;asciilifeform;but dun hold yer breath waiting for it.
1510612;1469646364;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: afaik all of the hardware ~publicly~ sold today, is squarely -ev.
1510613;1469646375;asciilifeform;even in 'flat rate' dc.
1510614;1469646528;thestringpuller;not if i resell it to a bagholder which is easier than it sounds
1510615;1469646544;asciilifeform;that ain't mining
1510616;1469646549;thestringpuller;basically you buy mining equipment then relist it while you're mining
1510617;1469646553;asciilifeform;can also buy wampum and beads and resell to bagholders
1510618;1469646561;asciilifeform;if you know how.
1510619;1469646591;thestringpuller;That's not what I'm saying. Mining is temporary as hardware goes obsolete. YOu milk the hardware as much as possible, and resell it to bagholders, and buy newer hardware.
1510620;1469646594;thestringpuller;HENCE BLACKHOLE
1510621;1469646609;thestringpuller;the only way to exit from mining is to resell the hardware or mine until its obsolete and hope the principal is repaid
1510622;1469646629;thestringpuller;bbl
1510623;1469646637;asciilifeform;if you aren't chinese, whatever hardware it is you now use is YEARS out of date.
1510624;1469646661;asciilifeform;(or nsa, which, for the purpose of this discussion, is a variant of chinese)
1510625;1469648224;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510588 << iirc mircea_popescu explained that this would not work, your blocks would end up orphaned.
1510626;1469648224;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 18:59 thestringpuller: trinque: you don't need to burn millions to mine 1 block a day (more than enoguh for tmsr) you need about $150k starting capital and some good luck to hope difficulty doesn't skyrocket on you
1510627;1469648280;asciilifeform;(naturally whether they do or not would depend on whether the cartel specifically targets you for zapping, otherwise it is matter for luck)
1510628;1469648300;asciilifeform;but if they 'narrowed protocol' then yes, their existing code will reject your block to build on
1510629;1469648313;asciilifeform;and it will be orphaned unless you can outrun the entire set. i.e. 51%ate.
1510630;1469648351;asciilifeform;so outcome would depend on ~where~ they narrowed
1510631;1469648361;asciilifeform;(i.e. only on the mempool end? or on both ends ?)
1510632;1469648377;asciilifeform;personally i have nfi which.
1510633;1469648407;asciilifeform;i do not believe that it is +ev for any miner to truthfully speak.
1510634;1469648422;asciilifeform;ergo anything that is uttered by a purported miner, should be seen as a strategic lie.
1510635;1469648440;asciilifeform;by ???.
1510636;1469648514;asciilifeform;i will point out that ~every word uttered thus far, by claimed miners, has turned out to have ~0 relationship with the truth.
1510637;1469648528;asciilifeform;(recall, e.g., last year's july phork.)
1510638;1469649366;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510490 << so what, the solution is to pretend we don't care ? that's how they got in the shit in the first place, you eager to follow shuit ?
1510639;1469649366;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 18:09 asciilifeform: i dun really have strong shit to give re what happens to this or that alt.
1510640;1469649386;mircea_popescu;fact remains, your universal answer is "gotta clean it". not everything's made to be clean.
1510641;1469649414;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510496 << prolly no worth the trouble.
1510642;1469649414;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 18:17 thestringpuller: dunno if qntra-worthy
1510643;1469649539;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510521 << which is the idiocy here. what, seriously, MY ram is free for YOUR asking ? hurr.
1510644;1469649539;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 18:32 thestringpuller: so you can't put it in the block chain it just sits in mempool until nlocktime passes
1510645;1469649786;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510573 << lol!
1510646;1469649786;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 18:55 thestringpuller: mining op is expensive and every miner i've procured has been a borderline drug deal
1510647;1469649799;mircea_popescu;not altogether an unfair characterisation of the end user market huh.
1510648;1469649863;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510585 << they don't seem really cut for that water. keeping the foundation mission technological in nature is prolly the safer bet for a while yet.
1510649;1469649863;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 18:58 trinque: perhaps one of the heads of the foundation could do that diplomacy
1510650;1469650032;mircea_popescu;and in other news, girl making sushi out of just now cut salmon and things.
1510651;1469650036;mircea_popescu;my life is hard, but unfair.
1510652;1469650244;shinohai;yummy
1510653;1469650471;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510638 << well i'd prefer max chaos and blood, with respect to enemy
1510654;1469650471;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 19:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510490 << so what, the solution is to pretend we don't care ? that's how they got in the shit in the first place, you eager to follow shuit ?
1510655;1469650507;asciilifeform;when i 'but why let mouse go', it was from impatience.
1510656;1469650569;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510640 << i suppose it is possible to watch cockfight without feeling urge to strap razors to one or the other bird...
1510657;1469650569;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 19:56 mircea_popescu: fact remains, your universal answer is "gotta clean it". not everything's made to be clean.
1510658;1469650612;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510643 << the extra special lul is that the crapolade ~never~ worked!
1510659;1469650612;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 19:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510521 << which is the idiocy here. what, seriously, MY ram is free for YOUR asking ? hurr.
1510660;1469650620;asciilifeform;nor could ever, with trb.
1510661;1469650646;asciilifeform;nlocktime is a decorative knob.
1510662;1469650658;asciilifeform;it isn't connected to anything.
1510663;1469650672;asciilifeform;see thread from 1hr ago.
1510664;1469651300;deedbot;[Trilema] Piles, the floral doll - http://trilema.com/2016/piles-the-floral-doll/
1510665;1469656027;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1510666;1469656074;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a particularly amusing cockfight, because it shows plainly and incontrovertibly that "bad hacker / criminal thief" powered socialism is better, electorally speaking, than mit-socialism.
1510667;1469656094;mircea_popescu;i have no idea how any of them can maintain the pretense of "thinking" and "rational" with this on the table.
1510668;1469656143;mircea_popescu;then again i also have no idea how the less wrong derps can live under the same sun as http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/
1510669;1469656153;mircea_popescu;cognitive dissonance is a wonderful bag.
1510670;1469672935;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.16.189.38 (ssh-rsa key from 201.16.189.38 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+201.16.189.38@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchla
1510671;1469672935;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.72.216.78 (ssh-rsa key from 187.72.216.78 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+187.72.216.78@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchla
1510672;1469673029;BingoBoingo;sweet
1510673;1469673093;asciilifeform;^ brazil..
1510674;1469673814;mircea_popescu;remember back when we were worried none pop ?
1510675;1469673915;BingoBoingo;lol was that 2 or three weeks ago?
1510676;1469673952;mircea_popescu;bout a month or so ya
1510677;1469674045;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-27#1491103 to the day
1510678;1469674045;a111;Logged on 2016-06-27 14:21 asciilifeform: ;;later tell Framedragger interestingly, not one of your ssh mods has popped yet, despite the historic 0.1% popping rate claimed in previous experiments (we're about 170,000 in)
1510679;1469674099;mircea_popescu;lol check that out.
1510680;1469674172;mircea_popescu;in other news, "BEING AN ILLITERATE OR A LITERATE IS NOT A BARRIER TO BEING A MILLIONAIRE"
1510681;1469674482;BingoBoingo;Well, who needs words to number?
1510682;1469674518;mircea_popescu;word.
1510683;1469674953;BingoBoingo;12
1510684;1469677676;deedbot;[Qntra] Cow Hospitalizes Police Officer And Damages Patrol Vehicles - http://qntra.net/2016/07/cow-hospitalizes-police-officer-and-damages-patrol-vehicles/
1510685;1469677939;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1510686;1469677941;gribble;Current Blocks: 422550 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 809 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 5 hours, 21 minutes, and 13 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1510687;1469677949;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1510688;1469677955;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4382.96, vol: 80007.72580000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4382.96
1510689;1469680112;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1510690;1469680118;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 655.25, vol: 2630.92183602 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.211, vol: 4001.66338 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 657.02, vol: 12676.36115708 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 657.901809, vol: 76873.47370000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 656.9, vol: 1758.9881738 | Volume-weighted last average: 657.261650545
1510691;1469680593;mircea_popescu;i wonder what happened to all the derps who went on about how bitcoin ain't stable enough.
1510692;1469680709;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510691 << they jizzed in their pants when it spiked from the 400s and are still cleaning up??
1510693;1469680709;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 04:36 mircea_popescu: i wonder what happened to all the derps who went on about how bitcoin ain't stable enough.
1510694;1469680732;asciilifeform;or does 'not stable' count only falls.
1510695;1469680969;asciilifeform;i dun pray to satan to ask that btc be magically nailed to usd, but words - incl. 'stable' - have meanings..!
1510696;1469681156;BingoBoingo;Are you sure it is stable and not s-table?
1510697;1469681528;mircea_popescu;just funny how topics are of interest or not according to you know, political expediency.
1510698;1469681571;*;mircea_popescu occasionalyl goes by poor people summons in this city, asking obrero women to gather for classes in home economics, how to not get beaten by husband, and "vegetarian" cooking.
1510699;1469681580;mircea_popescu;great to be a vegetarian when one can't afford to buy meat.
1510700;1469681659;mircea_popescu;"vegetarian - just like $random-ustarian-starlet. for different reasons altogether, but who's cuntin'."
1510701;1469683286;BingoBoingo;Since the cops are exonerated, for alf http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-dirt-bike-website-20160727-story.html
1510702;1469686567;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "Ms. Dyspnea: "Bullshit. I asked the nurse if I could just get the oxygen in my IV, and she said she couldn't do that. We all know she could just take off this stupid mask and plug it into my IV instead." "
1510703;1469692235;danielpbarron;$v C74752B5009BFBAC8EECB1901227524938A98C25F6ED19F017F6479862C9DC06
1510704;1469692235;deedbot;danielpbarron rated Jybrael 1 << Euloran
1510705;1469701524;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18fF
1510706;1469701525;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510707;1469714620;mircea_popescu;$key jybrael
1510708;1469714628;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/3ef696f8-4f36-4c64-9ee3-f83625bb42ee/
1510709;1469714736;shinohai;;;bc, stats
1510710;1469714737;gribble;Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
1510711;1469714744;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1510712;1469714745;gribble;Current Blocks: 422608 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 751 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1510713;1469714752;shinohai;gm #trilema
1510714;1469715108;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://archive.is/D1pX4   <<< latest tool in St. Louis PD arsenal
1510715;1469715108;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510716;1469715153;shinohai;Nothing says "we're sorry for shooting ya'll" like free ice cream.
1510717;1469715280;mircea_popescu;loller.
1510718;1469715362;mircea_popescu;in other penis news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/32743ef89e3eaa82309fd1ddd5c5e959/tumblr_ncf9jke3w71st7pw8o1_400.gif
1510719;1469715674;mircea_popescu;http://www.themaneater.com/stories/2016/6/14/having-student-debt-helped-me-find-myself/ << "slavery is the definitive formative experience for the female. but GOTTA NOT BE TO A MAN!!11 anything, everything, no matter that it doesn't work or make sense. I WILL NEVER SUBMIT!!11eleventy"
1510720;1469715677;mircea_popescu;fucking idiots already.
1510721;1469715712;mircea_popescu;this sort of femtard is approximately equal to the "driving expert" who spends most of her time on her bike watching the cars go by from behind the fence.
1510722;1469715717;mircea_popescu;what approximately. EXACTLY.
1510723;1469716496;BingoBoingo;Not to mention signs up for all this debt to... what? Pay for "memories" other people are getting 4Phree?
1510724;1469716563;BingoBoingo;Not to mention at a place with protests, but not real protests
1510725;1469716587;mircea_popescu;memories my fuckstick.
1510726;1469716650;mircea_popescu;the neurotic mind of the typical millennial is incapable of what you and i call memory just like the brainfried derps on wall street are incapable of banking. pokemon go, "revolutionizing", stuff like that. but "housewife" can't fucking cook and college student can't fucking remember.
1510727;1469716777;asciilifeform;'25,000. That’s the number of single dollar bills that I will eventually have to pay back. ' << wtf
1510728;1469716807;asciilifeform;that aint even money
1510729;1469716833;asciilifeform;200k is moar typical
1510730;1469716862;asciilifeform;and why the mention of paper bills...?
1510731;1469716879;mircea_popescu;it is money for slave.
1510732;1469716951;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Probably "thinks" it has 25kilo dollars in debt
1510733;1469716973;asciilifeform;+usury
1510734;1469716984;mircea_popescu;anyway, you gotta make room in the model for the me-toos, who are most of it by weight. for every whewish princess that goes to vassar / wesleyan "cuz that's where hillary sent her kids" bla bla and blows "cost my parents about 250k... about 10k a year" on chinese calligraphy and clowning double major,
1510735;1469717035;mircea_popescu;there's a hundred to a thousand daughters of "single parent" families with fucking siblings, ie, whoredaughters, who instead of joining their mother's brothel go to "community college" and end up with just about enough "college debt" to cover a decent party weekend. IN FOUR YEARS.
1510736;1469717066;asciilifeform;sounds like a buyer's market!111
1510737;1469717084;asciilifeform;if anyone needed them for anything.
1510738;1469717091;mircea_popescu;everything's a buyer's market once money actually exists. which is so fucking important for the stupid party that money doesn't exist.
1510739;1469717128;mircea_popescu;commerce is not all need. who NEEDED pomodori or spices? yet these non-needs drove the age of trade.
1510740;1469717149;asciilifeform;tru
1510741;1469717158;mircea_popescu;(tomato is called goldenfruit in italian because they saw it first, and when they saw it the shit cost its weight in gold pretty much)
1510742;1469717241;mircea_popescu;anyway, i look forward to the reintroduction of that ancient italian tradition of the whore family.
1510743;1469717243;mircea_popescu;about fucking time.
1510744;1469717316;asciilifeform;was it even paused ? or what do you suppose the college chix do with their time?
1510745;1469717332;mircea_popescu;they eat government cheese in the government vat and dream,
1510746;1469717335;mircea_popescu;which is unseemly.
1510747;1469717386;mircea_popescu;the relation between she-ustard and tradition-whore is about the same as between chicken liver and a mouse.
1510748;1469717394;mircea_popescu;you don't usually get to see either. but for different reasons altogether.
1510749;1469717417;asciilifeform;a few hr/day , here, in the evening they go to the rape pits, voluntarily, beer-lubricated
1510750;1469717420;mircea_popescu;they are "similarly squishy". one can survive on its own, and does.
1510751;1469717443;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wouldn't call the "normal" encounters anything as noble as rape. it's servicing.
1510752;1469717452;mircea_popescu;i have nfi why the dudes are dumb enough to not expect to be paid.
1510753;1469717479;asciilifeform;lolwat
1510754;1469717510;mircea_popescu;the work - and it IS work - involved in the average encounter known as a "hook up" or "one night stand" is a lot closer to nursing an elderly stupid patient than to fucking.
1510755;1469717514;BingoBoingo;Current arrangement is Daddy Bahamas pays the girls to fuck the dudes
1510756;1469717517;mircea_popescu;and in general, nurses do the dirst work for moneys.
1510757;1469717536;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it ain't even close to fucking unless they call it "rape".
1510758;1469717571;BingoBoingo;Fine "stick it in and maek babby"
1510759;1469717604;mircea_popescu;more like "is it ok if i take your blouse off ? are you ok ? can i remove your panties now ? aren't we going too fast ?" blablabla.
1510760;1469717620;mircea_popescu;caring guys with a greatsense of humor, the world's worst paid nurses.
1510761;1469717635;thestringpuller;$b 6
1510762;1469717647;mircea_popescu;and somehow nobody's concerned about their exploitation, either. if they were worthelss 5 yo curry eaters making soccer apparel everyone'd be up in arms.
1510763;1469717667;mircea_popescu;but the legion of poor, hopeless, bropariahs, doing the dirty work of nursing stupid cunts, nobody cares about those.
1510764;1469717680;asciilifeform;does this shit even exist outside of ustard mythology?
1510765;1469717685;mircea_popescu;which shit ?
1510766;1469717703;asciilifeform;this 'nursing'
1510767;1469717709;mircea_popescu;yes.
1510768;1469717747;mircea_popescu;most of the reason my usual "we're going to the party now. take off your clothes ; keep your knees apart at all times" is so insta-delicious. much like icecream in a world of gruel.
1510769;1469718067;deedbot;[Qntra] Royal Dutch Shell Shocked! Losses! - http://qntra.net/2016/07/royal-dutch-shell-shocked-losses/
1510770;1469718128;mircea_popescu;awww, i thought oil hurt russia not the good guys.
1510771;1469718152;mircea_popescu;this economix stuff is confusing my 25k communitard college degree.
1510772;1469718753;BingoBoingo;Shame your cashiering job doesn't offer the right kind of experience with money to have perspective either
1510773;1469718793;mircea_popescu;yeah. sometimes i feel i'm gonna break down and cry.
1510774;1469718804;mircea_popescu;nowhere to go nothing to do with my time...
1510775;1469718880;BingoBoingo;Don't worry. You'll just go to bar, make baby, and discover each baby comes with a raise.
1510776;1469719033;BingoBoingo;Anyways soon Obama/Clinton will make weed legal and then all problems may be toked/vaped under the rug.
1510777;1469719119;mircea_popescu;i thought flying-hairmat is making it legal.
1510778;1469719186;BingoBoingo;flying hairmat is a wild card, and electoral "mystery box"
1510779;1469719208;BingoBoingo;Mebbe that gets legal. Mebbe castor oil?
1510780;1469719217;mircea_popescu;watch him win and announce the dissolution of nato as part of his inauguration speech.
1510781;1469719288;BingoBoingo;Or mebbe announce new NATO membership structure of pay hairmat treasure or drink castor oil? Should be enough for Italeave
1510782;1469719290;mircea_popescu;"the us still got enough juice to defend ITSELF. and as to the rest of you bitches - talk to greece, they're like... cool and shit. ask'em."
1510783;1469719398;asciilifeform;last fella who hinted at possible delizardification was named kennedy.
1510784;1469719413;asciilifeform;and scattered brainz
1510785;1469719448;mircea_popescu;the hint is above. nowwhat.
1510786;1469719501;mircea_popescu;there's a price to pay for the idiotic pretense put up by the gop. when a woman does it, the custom is to slide the knife in her asshole before the penis, to cut her sphyncter permanently.
1510787;1469719530;mircea_popescu;similar principle likely applies - the military-industrials SHOULD have had the fucking sense to bring their party to heel. that they didn't calls for bloodletting.
1510788;1469719591;asciilifeform;from my perch, mr t is not electable, unless he mccains and promises, answerable with his arse and his woman-sausages, to play ball, and prolly not then, either.
1510789;1469719638;mircea_popescu;i know :)
1510790;1469719687;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that the implied agent in "electable" is not an agent in this play.
1510791;1469719763;asciilifeform;nobody's defunding lockheed et al. whoever is stubborn enough to bribe diebold et al to keep finger off the cheat button and win, will eat some 'bad shellfish' during some party dinner and that'll be that.
1510792;1469719881;asciilifeform;usa, unlike most orc shitholes, has a well-curated electoral zoo, and this kind of thing is rare. but it happens.
1510793;1469719997;mircea_popescu;if trump had any sense, lockheed, northrop & friends are FULLY defunded the same day, and are allowed the mercy to perhaps beg for SOME SMALL PORTION of re-funding, maybe, someday.
1510794;1469720074;mircea_popescu;and it's literally, and plainly stated. "there won't be a next time for you. but if there were a 2nd last time, you'd better make damn sure the republican party crowns me from day one and on its knees. bitches."
1510795;1469720076;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu recall the 'auspicious incident' ?
1510796;1469720089;asciilifeform;when janissary corps was dissolved
1510797;1469720092;mircea_popescu;sure.
1510798;1469720133;mircea_popescu;recall the butchery that yielded once the prophet';s flag was brought forth ?
1510799;1469720147;asciilifeform;who is the new parallel corps now?
1510800;1469720156;mircea_popescu;iirc it was the jannisary baracks, not the palace, that ended up mme la marquise'd.
1510801;1469720170;asciilifeform;them janissaries won't gut themselves
1510802;1469720179;asciilifeform;need new corps
1510803;1469720179;mircea_popescu;all the disenfranchised idiots in the us want is the butchery of the military-industrials. they're on incredibru thin ice as it is.
1510804;1469720204;mircea_popescu;let the president tell tyrone it's ok to take the army's weapons.
1510805;1469720210;asciilifeform;ask a bmore ape what is grumman
1510806;1469720218;mircea_popescu;baltimore police dept was ALREADY told to stfu and sit indoors like womenz once.
1510807;1469720222;mircea_popescu;test run.
1510808;1469720231;asciilifeform;betcha he will sooner know who was mozart
1510809;1469720264;mircea_popescu;the campaign clearly moved into "nuclear option" territory, what with hillary doing the pot dance.
1510810;1469720282;asciilifeform;told by ape mayor , in league with the other monkeyz
1510811;1469720283;mircea_popescu;the specific idiocy of the libertards is that they imagine themselves doing "the utmost", most scandalous outrageous move and so will win!
1510812;1469720298;mircea_popescu;but this imagination is predicated on mental gymnastics, the disavowal of the obvious tit for the tat.
1510813;1469720318;mircea_popescu;"you legalize pot to win, i make it legal for anyone with college debt to take anything they want from us armed forces depot"
1510814;1469720321;asciilifeform;hey it worked to elect obummer
1510815;1469720409;asciilifeform;there will be no freicorps in usa, because the ballz, they were stolen.
1510816;1469720425;mircea_popescu;"revolutionary guards" manned by "students" are nothing new. very, very far from new.
1510817;1469720430;mircea_popescu;about as new as spring water.
1510818;1469720442;asciilifeform;precisely, old
1510819;1469720466;asciilifeform;you need, at worst, 20th c - grade meat.
1510820;1469720476;asciilifeform;it dun exist here.
1510821;1469720499;mircea_popescu;this is what's said before, every fucking time.
1510822;1469720509;mircea_popescu;the REASON it exists is specifically that prior it didn't exist.
1510823;1469720535;mircea_popescu;do you know why room blows up ? not BECAUSE "there was already flame there". but specificially, exactly because THERE WASNT.
1510824;1469720544;asciilifeform;recall the 'shit in a hole for 5 years' thread?
1510825;1469720547;mircea_popescu;for as long as there's open fire it an't explode.
1510826;1469720555;mircea_popescu;can't*
1510827;1469720559;mircea_popescu;which one was that ?
1510828;1469720610;asciilifeform;$s shit in a hole
1510829;1469720610;a111;1 results for "shit in a hole", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=shit%20in%20a%20hole
1510830;1469720615;mircea_popescu;mmm
1510831;1469720618;asciilifeform;hm
1510832;1469720624;mircea_popescu;1 is an insufficient number of results for this resource.
1510833;1469720636;asciilifeform;will have to dig.
1510834;1469724039;deedbot;[Trilema] Borcanelanul (elanul la borcan) - http://trilema.com/2016/borcanelanul-elanul-la-borcan/
1510835;1469724130;danielpbarron;if there's a fire in an air-tight room and you break open a way for fresh air to get in...
1510836;1469724618;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510735 << I have a great story regarding this from my alma matar. There was this guy was a rich alumni (trophy wife and everything), and would come back to campus to "hang out". Anyhow he'd pick up chicks and become their sugar daddy. Note that one of these girls is married to a beta-male working for crapple, and another chick who was "in a monogamous relationship" for years at the time. Point being,
1510837;1469724618;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 14:43 mircea_popescu: there's a hundred to a thousand daughters of "single parent" families with fucking siblings, ie, whoredaughters, who instead of joining their mother's brothel go to "community college" and end up with just about enough "college debt" to cover a decent party weekend. IN FOUR YEARS.
1510838;1469725060;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron natural gas is explosive around 14% or so. fresh air dun help your cause.
1510839;1469725100;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller seems pretty natural.
1510840;1469725474;thestringpuller;slut shopping is what they call it
1510841;1469725491;thestringpuller;and it is a buyer market. just can't get hung up on those clingy ones.
1510842;1469725499;thestringpuller;they called it*
1510843;1469725779;shinohai;mircea_popescu: final results from twitter campaign over 24 hr. http://ix.io/18ln
1510844;1469727127;asciilifeform;'The Arkakao place closed down.' << noooooooooooooooooo
1510845;1469729161;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, found https://gist.github.com/achillean/07f7f1e6b0e6e113a33c << claims to be catalogue of top duped ssh pubkeys from a scan similar to Framedragger's
1510846;1469729194;asciilifeform;i remembered this existing, somewhere, but this encoding is quite useless, has fp's only
1510847;1469729217;asciilifeform;why do people do this.
1510848;1469729500;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] Fucking atrocious. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/fucking-atrocious/
1510849;1469729980;deedbot;accepted: 1
1510850;1469729983;trinque;lol!
1510851;1469729986;trinque;mod6: ^
1510852;1469729989;trinque;that was buildroot
1510853;1469730032;asciilifeform;waiwut
1510854;1469730044;asciilifeform;imho this is ill behaviour for deedbot
1510855;1469730048;asciilifeform;popping where no one has pushed.
1510856;1469730055;trinque;wtf, I pushed
1510857;1469730059;asciilifeform;not publicly
1510858;1469730070;trinque;testing!!!
1510859;1469730075;asciilifeform;lolk
1510860;1469730081;trinque;gonna delete from queue and let mod6 do honors
1510861;1469730181;thestringpuller;i enjoyed professors like asciilifeform
1510862;1469730235;thestringpuller;make life as miserable as possible for the student, until one day student realizes he actually learned a lot
1510863;1469731052;mod6;<+trinque> that was buildroot << awesome! thanks for putting that in there.
1510864;1469731095;mod6;do I need to load from wotpaste or dpaste? or can I load from mod6.net?
1510865;1469731148;trinque;from anywhere works
1510866;1469731153;trinque;mod6.net is fine
1510867;1469731163;mod6;sweet
1510868;1469731202;trinque;bundle will be cut at the hour, so I'd do it all either before then or after, so you can reference a single deed bundle in docs or w/e
1510869;1469731331;mod6;$deed http://mod6.net/foobar/boost_1_52_0.tar.bz2.uu.asc
1510870;1469731729;mod6;maybe we're not gonna make it, should have waited.
1510871;1469731766;mod6;that one is 70M
1510872;1469731788;thestringpuller;dat big file
1510873;1469731857;trinque;looks like it's still chugging
1510874;1469731917;mod6;ok, got ~8 minutes.
1510875;1469731926;mod6;next biggest one is 30M
1510876;1469731934;trinque;I'll just stop that cron job until we're done
1510877;1469732005;mod6;nice.
1510878;1469732006;mod6;thx
1510879;1469732381;deedbot;accepted: 1
1510880;1469732391;BingoBoingo;;;later tell asciilifeform Thing to do other than bugger dead badgers http://www.bnd.com/news/local/community/highland-news-leader/article92341522.html#navlink=SecList
1510881;1469732392;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510882;1469732402;trinque;hah! good job deedbutt
1510883;1469732407;mod6;$deed buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc
1510884;1469732407;trinque;mod6: next!
1510885;1469732412;mod6;thx trinque!
1510886;1469732429;mod6;this one is only 6.9M
1510887;1469732441;deedbot;Bad URL or network outage.
1510888;1469732449;mod6;noooooooo
1510889;1469732460;trinque;missing the hostname hombre
1510890;1469732460;shinohai;fergot http://
1510891;1469732462;mod6;site is still up.
1510892;1469732468;mod6;oh im retarded.
1510893;1469732483;mod6;$deed http://mod6.net/foobar/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc
1510894;1469732490;mod6;helps to tell it where to find the thing :D
1510895;1469732506;shinohai;GO FORTH AND LOCATE THIS FILE!
1510896;1469732548;mod6;haha. traverse-all-the-sites.jpg
1510897;1469732604;shinohai;^.^
1510898;1469732621;deedbot;accepted: 1
1510899;1469732675;mod6;$deed http://mod6.net/foobar/db-4.8.30.tar.gz.uu.asc
1510900;1469732682;mod6;^30M
1510901;1469733131;deedbot;accepted: 1
1510902;1469733209;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510893 << this is useful and necessary but, sad as it is to rain on parade: buildroot downloads 10,001 turds.
1510903;1469733209;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 19:01 mod6: $deed http://mod6.net/foobar/buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz.uu.asc
1510904;1469733230;trinque;asciilifeform: with sig checking?
1510905;1469733238;trinque;not that I disagree with what you're pointing out
1510906;1469733249;asciilifeform;trinque: i dun recall it shipping with pubkeys
1510907;1469733264;asciilifeform;so answer is no.
1510908;1469733271;asciilifeform;even if it does something resembling it.
1510909;1469733288;trinque;so then, deed moar turds
1510910;1469733288;mod6;i've been running into a bunch of instances lately where the download sites for these artifacts have been down/unavailable.
1510911;1469733295;mod6;we need a place where we can grab these.
1510912;1469733303;ben_vulpes;vendor /everything/.
1510913;1469733309;trinque;yeah, what was it, uclibc site was down?
1510914;1469733313;asciilifeform;i recall somebody here was attempting a version of buildroot that downloads nothing
1510915;1469733315;mod6;trinque: yup
1510916;1469733318;asciilifeform;(ships with whole orchestra)
1510917;1469733321;asciilifeform;what became of this ?
1510918;1469733323;mod6;and also sourceforge was down too.
1510919;1469733351;trinque;mod6: openssl final one?
1510920;1469733351;mod6;asciilifeform: i was tinkering with that... for a bit.
1510921;1469733358;mod6;trinque: yup
1510922;1469733378;mod6;$deed http://mod6.net/foobar/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz.uu.asc
1510923;1469733491;deedbot;accepted: 1
1510924;1469733540;mod6;cool!
1510925;1469733678;mod6;thanks trinque, this thing works great
1510926;1469733746;trinque;quite welcome
1510927;1469733777;trinque;sqlite3 is a tank
1510928;1469733788;trinque;it did not give a single fuck.
1510929;1469733789;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, did this http://thewhet.net/2016/alcachofa-7515 ever appear here ?
1510930;1469733828;asciilifeform;hanbot's www is not in the deedbot feed ?
1510931;1469734009;trinque;hm it isn't; I'll add.
1510932;1469734331;deedbot;[The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, October 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-october-2015/
1510933;1469734331;deedbot;[The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, November 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2015/line-betting-on-bitbet-november-2015/
1510934;1469734331;deedbot;[The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, December 2015 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-december-2015/
1510935;1469734331;deedbot;[The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, January 2016 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-january-2016/
1510936;1469734331;deedbot;[The Whet] How to Unmake Money in Eulora, Sorta - http://thewhet.net/2016/how-to-unmake-money-in-eulora-sorta/
1510937;1469734331;deedbot;[The Whet] Line betting on BitBet, February and March 2016 - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-february-and-march-2016/
1510938;1469734332;deedbot;[The Whet] In which a city that never sleeps burns out. - http://thewhet.net/2016/in-which-a-city-that-never-sleeps-burns-out/
1510939;1469734332;deedbot;[The Whet] 2016 BAIBF, a drudgery - http://thewhet.net/2016/2016-baibf-a-drudgery/
1510940;1469734333;deedbot;[The Whet] Line Betting on BitBet, Closing Out - http://thewhet.net/2016/line-betting-on-bitbet-closing-out/
1510941;1469734333;deedbot;[The Whet] Alcachofa 7515 - http://thewhet.net/2016/alcachofa-7515/
1510942;1469734559;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot 'alcachofa 7515' is mega-story. i can almost apprehend the sheer vacuum inside the argentine heads now!111
1510943;1469734559;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1510944;1469736522;shinohai;$up covertress
1510945;1469736522;deedbot;covertress voiced for 30 minutes.
1510946;1469736612;asciilifeform;just in time, we've these here tresses that need coverin'.
1510947;1469736620;covertress;;)
1510948;1469736655;covertress;Greetings.
1510949;1469736697;covertress;I bring a propositon from Andreas Antonopoulos for Mircea Popescu.
1510950;1469736730;covertress;On Twitter, A.A. wrote: If the person who drained the DAO wants to do an interview, I can offer voice-masking and anonymity. Contact me via http://antonopoulos.com
1510951;1469736747;*;trinque falls on floor
1510952;1469736790;asciilifeform;covertress: you will find that interviews, incl. with 'reuters' et al, happen ~here~.
1510953;1469736839;asciilifeform;covertress: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460247 << quick intro to why.
1510954;1469736839;a111;Logged on 2016-05-01 17:40 mircea_popescu: the reason you do not want to discuss anything with hitler, such as for instance in the shape of hitler's own propaganda magazine "interviewing" you is that they aren't interviewing you. what they are doing is trying for a "o noes scandal and wilhelm lost all his support" piece. if it works, they got it, if it doesn't work, "it never happened".
1510955;1469736840;shinohai;See covertress? Told you it would have to occur in #trilema assembled
1510956;1469736869;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1510957;1469736872;gribble;Current Blocks: 422646 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 713 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 4 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1510958;1469736902;covertress;:) As I thought (no interview.) Just wanted to pass that along and request if it is alright that I reply to A.A. on Twitter with M.P.'s FU blog post.
1510959;1469736931;asciilifeform;covertress: fella can come here, like honest man, like anybody else..?
1510960;1469736949;ben_vulpes;covertress: not "no interview". interview /here/.
1510961;1469736954;ben_vulpes;twitter is not "a place".
1510962;1469736968;covertress;yes, sorry. Interview "here."
1510963;1469736979;ben_vulpes;no, you don't use scare quotes about the actual bitcoin forum.
1510964;1469737013;asciilifeform;covertress: here. where we have real-time logs that - unlike twatter et al - don't get doctored.
1510965;1469737018;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1510966;1469737024;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4360.91, vol: 62512.97130000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4360.91
1510967;1469737025;ben_vulpes;and please, type whatever you want into dorsey's skinner box.
1510968;1469737035;covertress;:)
1510969;1469737056;covertress;Shall I invite A.A. here then?
1510970;1469737073;covertress;The rest of the world knows nothing of you.
1510971;1469737078;BingoBoingo;Invite whoever wherever.
1510972;1469737078;mod6;lol
1510973;1469737089;ben_vulpes;twitter is in no way the rest of the world.
1510974;1469737120;BingoBoingo;Mind that http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ is the most influential piece on cryptocurrency this month
1510975;1469737124;ben_vulpes;these logs are a) more widely read than any shithead 140 character 'prose', and b) read by people whose attention spans can handle them.
1510976;1469737126;*;BingoBoingo shouts out to thestringpuller 
1510977;1469737149;ben_vulpes;nevermind the hilarity of some wot nonperson inviting someone to tmsr~
1510978;1469737173;covertress;I have a pgp now.
1510979;1469737181;ben_vulpes;$gettrust covertress
1510980;1469737181;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1510981;1469737181;BingoBoingo;And mind the most important piece on "cryptocurrency" this month was authored in January 2015
1510982;1469737211;BingoBoingo;$rate covertress 1 Palmer's Amaranth
1510983;1469737211;deedbot;covertress is not registered in WoT.
1510984;1469737213;covertress;you will find it under my real name: Stephanie kent
1510985;1469737217;ben_vulpes;where does the wot visualization live this week?
1510986;1469737224;trinque;$help << covertress
1510987;1469737224;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1510988;1469737240;trinque;instructions on how to register are ^
1510989;1469737267;covertress;ty. I'll register covertress.
1510990;1469737282;covertress;I neglected to do that.
1510991;1469737370;ben_vulpes;myeah. key is one thing, anyone can make those. what turns ye olde keypair into an identity is its registration with the wot.
1510992;1469738303;covertress;$register CDC13F3B380239FE82250DA310488A0477C34BCE
1510993;1469738367;deedbot;CDC13F3B380239FE82250DA310488A0477C34BCE registered as covertress.
1510994;1469738670;shinohai;$rate covertress 1 Coverer of tresses
1510995;1469738671;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f031d8b3-b58c-4a5f-9ffe-4ffd51367115/
1510996;1469738707;shinohai;$v 9D2450531D78968F934B6D3986C8467FA232919DBEB1F2D873809537558CFF99
1510997;1469738707;deedbot;shinohai rated covertress 1 << Coverer of tresses
1510998;1469738736;asciilifeform;covertress: you can self-voice now.
1510999;1469738877;shinohai;asciilifeform she needs another rate I think, I am not L1 so ...
1511000;1469738970;BingoBoingo;$rate covertress 1 Palmer's Amaranth
1511001;1469738970;asciilifeform;$rate covertress 1 new blood; tresses - well-covered
1511002;1469738971;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/857ef717-69be-4c7e-bf27-f0a988045106/
1511003;1469738972;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f83ee391-2750-487c-b80b-358821645484/
1511004;1469738984;asciilifeform;waaa
1511005;1469739001;BingoBoingo;$v 94CBD4F2FBDE9F0271E2DFA00CBEF85C03CB5068A42949BE8C8216B95D984B30
1511006;1469739001;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated covertress 1 << Palmer's Amaranth
1511007;1469739014;asciilifeform;yer lucky day BingoBoingo
1511008;1469739023;BingoBoingo;lol asciilifeform
1511009;1469739559;covertress;Thank you, #trilema, for your ratings. :)
1511010;1469739691;covertress;Love the Palmer's Amaranth, BingoBoingo. So witty. :)
1511011;1469739712;BingoBoingo;Are you sure?
1511012;1469739747;covertress;I don't mind you think of me as a weed. Yes, I'm sure.
1511013;1469739780;covertress;Everyone must begin somewhere.
1511014;1469739854;shinohai;Round up fixes that shot easy
1511015;1469739862;ben_vulpes;so -- covertress -- who are you?
1511016;1469739887;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Round up does NOT fix this weed
1511017;1469739897;shinohai;O.o
1511018;1469739899;BingoBoingo;Palmer's Amaranth is not merely a weed.
1511019;1469739902;shinohai;I don't have them
1511020;1469739916;shinohai;Sounds tenacious
1511021;1469739916;trinque;ben_vulpes: has an alt-eth!
1511022;1469739948;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Wait about an hour or so for next qntra
1511023;1469739950;ben_vulpes;heh 2013 all over again or what
1511024;1469739957;covertress;Please, enlighten me, BingoBoingo. What else is it?
1511025;1469739972;ben_vulpes;anyways, let the lady dig her own holes
1511026;1469740017;shinohai;kk BingoBoingo I have nothing on the warmer as of yet
1511027;1469740019;BingoBoingo;covertress: Well for that like shinohai you are going to have to read qntra in about an hour, but http://qntra.net/2016/05/monsanto-embargoes-argentina-from-getting-dicamba-resistant-soybeans/ will be useful background reading
1511028;1469740033;covertress;:)
1511029;1469740067;shinohai;oh i get it
1511030;1469740091;*;shinohai is tired
1511031;1469740188;covertress;BingoBoingo, are you implying that my alt-eth is a weed. In it's present state, I agree. KR's client will be undergoing an entire rewrite in a more sane lang than Golang.
1511032;1469740243;covertress;KR was created for me as a gift. My gift to the KR community will be to make it better.
1511033;1469740280;BingoBoingo;covertress: No, I'm implying I don't know who or what you are, but you as sure as hell aren't my soybeans. Hence the rating of 1 denoting limited information beyond this. I have no idea what you mean by KR or your alt-eth.
1511034;1469740301;asciilifeform;and what means 'was created for me as a gift' ??
1511035;1469740347;shinohai;If someone gave me a steaming pile of golang as a gift, I'd probably reconsider my friends.
1511036;1469740395;covertress;Excuse me, Krypton is my fork of Ethereum (alt-eth). Here is today's current: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbgqesyy320gaer/Krypton4.pdf?dl=0
1511037;1469740438;shinohai;:D
1511038;1469740507;covertress;I sent that to Pete Rizzo today.
1511039;1469740572;trinque;https://i.imgur.com/snLplqq.jpg
1511040;1469740827;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e872ba3d-f8bb-42d1-b35e-2084b490456d << demunged from above.
1511041;1469740847;asciilifeform;my dosimeter is nearing max, from having read this.
1511042;1469740916;shinohai;lo asciilifeform
1511043;1469740930;asciilifeform;'Krypton will be the only decentralized blockchain represented at the conference' << holy mother of fuckq, what
1511044;1469740946;covertress;*new one
1511045;1469740951;covertress;I didn't write that.
1511046;1469740972;asciilifeform;lemme guess, your 'business genius' did ?
1511047;1469740990;covertress;an anon ghostwriter
1511048;1469741078;shinohai;Straight from the buzzword thesaurus ?
1511049;1469741099;covertress;Seems to be his speciality
1511050;1469741181;covertress;I'm off to grow a company. Thank you #trilema for accepting me as a citizen. ttyl
1511051;1469741198;asciilifeform;covertress: wait i have another business idea
1511052;1469741204;asciilifeform;that you might like
1511053;1469741242;asciilifeform;visit junkyard, find an old yugo wreck, repaint it, have ghostwriter write prospectus where you have a new, exciting car co.
1511054;1469741262;trinque;lel
1511055;1469741303;asciilifeform;laugh, but folks have made $millions on 'kickstarter' doing essentially this.
1511056;1469741318;trinque;I don't doubt it.
1511057;1469741683;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '187.72.155.221 (ssh-rsa key from 187.72.155.221 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+187.72.155.221@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuc
1511058;1469741735;asciilifeform;$s 11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037
1511059;1469741735;a111;4 results for "11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=11292545407594175178676347015728407315964404798513500904475751592529893233021480868652014808334425655353317917185993496061664578037945011652939076832189037
1511060;1469741843;asciilifeform;who the hell even uses 1024-bit keys, and for what.
1511061;1469742118;shinohai;Getting pwnd of course
1511062;1469742134;asciilifeform;not that it particularly matters to phuctor.
1511063;1469742964;BingoBoingo;;;laserkittens
1511064;1469742965;gribble;ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
1511065;1469742985;shinohai;Nice Qntra BingoBoingo reading nau
1511066;1469742991;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1511067;1469743008;BingoBoingo;covertress: http://qntra.net/2016/07/monsanto-lead-dicamba-enthusiasm-raises-tensions-among-farmers/
1511068;1469743033;deedbot;[Qntra] Monsanto Lead Dicamba Enthusiasm Raises Tensions Among Farmers - http://qntra.net/2016/07/monsanto-lead-dicamba-enthusiasm-raises-tensions-among-farmers/
1511069;1469743409;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: Latest qntra may also be of interest to you since you want to become agri-cultured
1511070;1469744899;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511053 << laugh all you want but this is ~how musk started out with tesla, except with nearly equally junky british sports car from 'lotus'
1511071;1469744899;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 21:27 asciilifeform: visit junkyard, find an old yugo wreck, repaint it, have ghostwriter write prospectus where you have a new, exciting car co.
1511072;1469744964;ben_vulpes;wat
1511073;1469744973;ben_vulpes;lotuses suck nao?
1511074;1469745018;pete_dushenski;musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors
1511075;1469745020;mircea_popescu;didn't use to suck, years ago
1511076;1469745022;ben_vulpes;i thought they were moderately expensive, barebones, fast and stiff little vehicles
1511077;1469745041;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: they supposedly drive well. but they're still british (ie. won't start when cloudy)
1511078;1469745062;ben_vulpes;they run toyota engines, right?
1511079;1469745088;*;ben_vulpes has been rattled around in one, was an entirely enjoyable experience.
1511080;1469745089;pete_dushenski;the elise, evora, exige do, yes.
1511081;1469745108;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511074 << and stevejobs took korean flash ram, capacitative touch screen, and.... etc
1511082;1469745108;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:30 pete_dushenski: musk took a lotus rolling chassis, added 5k laptop batteries, cobbled the whole thing together in true british shedding fashion, and sold the result to a few demokrats and even more investors
1511083;1469745109;pete_dushenski;the early elise had some other 1.6L british engine iirc
1511084;1469745125;ben_vulpes;would *love* to have pushed one of the electric-drive ones around. not as a useful car thing, but as a dope little driving chassis with an electric powertrain.
1511085;1469745143;asciilifeform;fact is, prior to musk there were no electromobile with ~reasonable range.
1511086;1469745156;asciilifeform;like, or dislike - same.
1511087;1469745159;pete_dushenski;just, it was a 1.8L, but 'rover' made engine in the early lotus elise
1511088;1469745182;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: don't forget xerox ui
1511089;1469745225;asciilifeform;i bet even mircea_popescu could not buy a xerox 'dorado'.
1511090;1469745238;asciilifeform;how many even made? 100?
1511091;1469745283;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: no dispute on musk's contribution to range. but it's still like making the best ipad ~intheworld~. call it what you want but it's a poor replacement for a workstation, just as is electric car for gas car.
1511092;1469745334;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Tesla-Roadster-Base-Convertible-2-Door-/162141489126?hash=item25c062c7e6:g:2IAAAOSwaB5Xjirp
1511093;1469745373;pete_dushenski;and in other trollbox nooz, "FatAlbert: frankthetank, No offense but Barry Silbert is NOT invited. The last time he ate all the shrimp (odd!) and threw up in the bathtub. Cleaned it up with his shorts"
1511094;1469745430;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities.
1511095;1469745430;BingoBoingo;$up _FeltPen  It means ask questions. Bring up ideas, etc
1511096;1469745430;deedbot;_FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
1511097;1469745438;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510950 << why would derpolodopolous assume that anyone wants anonimitee ? strange set of priors, this fella.
1511098;1469745438;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 20:12 covertress: On Twitter, A.A. wrote: If the person who drained the DAO wants to do an interview, I can offer voice-masking and anonymity. Contact me via http://antonopoulos.com
1511099;1469745453;BingoBoingo;_FeltPen: Also register a key and do they right things
1511100;1469745470;_FeltPen;Thnx Bingo.  Yep, have registered a key already IIRC.
1511101;1469745498;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Maybe asking people to anon is his way of preserving his "name" so it doesn't drown in better names?
1511102;1469745505;BingoBoingo;$gettrust _FeltPen
1511103;1469745505;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1511104;1469745517;BingoBoingo;$rate _FeltPen 1 new blood
1511105;1469745518;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/587ff329-5ed9-4a6e-b77d-cfda9144f3d9/
1511106;1469745552;BingoBoingo;$v DA2D1B607A84613405F190766B6B6D355CE45B17BFCB893F14DEC890E4B0683A
1511107;1469745552;deedbot;BingoBoingo rated _FeltPen 1 << new blood
1511108;1469745574;BingoBoingo;_FeltPen: Thank you. Now voice yourself and participate in discussions.
1511109;1469745579;BingoBoingo;$down _FeltPen
1511110;1469745604;shinohai;  $rate _FeltPen -1 I prefer ballpoints
1511111;1469745610;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/686cfe1a-8a31-48d9-8286-1435217df715/
1511112;1469745615;shinohai;O.o
1511113;1469745696;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487282
1511114;1469745696;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 17:42 trinque: jurov: there, be as floppy as you want, puny human
1511115;1469745718;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: that's sorta the definition of externalities.
1511116;1469745753;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i'm going to go out on a limb and bet that battery is shot
1511117;1469745773;ben_vulpes;mega problem with the resale value of the roadsters.
1511118;1469745787;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: derpy's gotta swim towards the usg-lifepreserver somehow
1511119;1469745813;BingoBoingo;$up _FeltPen
1511120;1469745813;deedbot;_FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
1511121;1469745850;BingoBoingo;Sorry if I appear rude. Encouragement doesn't translate well over text.
1511122;1469745852;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: and their value in general. maybe asciilifeform likes that leccy cars are 'cleaner' but $10k for a new battery pack every decade ? nothx.
1511123;1469745893;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: your petrol car easily eats 10k of usgolade every few yrs.
1511124;1469745906;BingoBoingo;<pete_dushenski> the elise, evora, exige do, yes. << Not Lotus cars. Last Lotus was the Model 7
1511125;1469745926;asciilifeform;starting from the astonishingly available and quite subsidized (incl. via petrowar) fuel
1511126;1469745931;_FeltPen;Bingo - you're fine, just at work too. damn phone keeps ringing.
1511127;1469745945;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i prefer to think of it as 'albertade' but ok. not like charging cars is phree.
1511128;1469745985;pete_dushenski;didn't i recently link that piece about the exorbitant cost of public electric car charging stations ? and the lines that form waiting for them ?
1511129;1469745987;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: compare cost per joule of your mains socket to petrol (in whatever locale) for some lulz.
1511130;1469746014;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: in a sane world, it would be petrol station that is a costly luxury.
1511131;1469746033;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: i've done the math and i'll pay the marginal cost in exchange for filling up when i want, where i want, and everywhere between here and timbuktoo
1511132;1469746053;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: that's like classism or something man
1511133;1469746070;BingoBoingo;From "bitcoinist.net" betting picks "Although Woodley has shown some cardio issues in the past and does carry a lot of muscle mass that can produce fatigue, I think this fight will go over 2.5 rounds." << ROLFMAO
1511134;1469746073;asciilifeform;point is that pete_dushenski is not exposed to anywhere near the actual cost of his ride.
1511135;1469746090;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: keep holding breath until sane world comes i guess.
1511136;1469746093;asciilifeform;the printolade press - pays.
1511137;1469746113;ben_vulpes;fuck that i'm going to take the shithead state for all it's worth.
1511138;1469746125;ben_vulpes;i have 12 cylinders of hate that need to turn over twice a month.
1511139;1469746127;pete_dushenski;^
1511140;1469746136;pete_dushenski;<3
1511141;1469746138;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: What, anyone who cares can build own "model 7" like car
1511142;1469746153;asciilifeform;i also - have petrol car. with only 6cyl. but - apparently - fewer illusions?
1511143;1469746158;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: Wait, what of yours has 12 cylinders?
1511144;1469746159;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: for as long as the usg provides for my externalizing onto its citizens, i will do so.
1511145;1469746172;ben_vulpes;er
1511146;1469746174;ben_vulpes;eight.
1511147;1469746199;ben_vulpes;eight of hate. rhymes better.
1511148;1469746206;*;pete_dushenski has 16 cylinders of powah
1511149;1469746236;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: or bicycle for that matter
1511150;1469746237;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski has what, marine diesel?
1511151;1469746259;ben_vulpes;or is that cumulative
1511152;1469746273;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah pete is entering his ride in the tractor pull
1511153;1469746275;ben_vulpes;cuz i got eighteen in total
1511154;1469746278;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201603/2018-bugatti-chiron-43_600x0w.jpg << 16 cyl. 4 turbos.
1511155;1469746289;ben_vulpes;nofuckinway.
1511156;1469746289;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: yes, total.
1511157;1469746292;pete_dushenski;lol
1511158;1469746299;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: yours?
1511159;1469746319;ben_vulpes;heh was actually looking at a trashcan nissan on craigslist the other day. someone wanted 7.5k for it.
1511160;1469746334;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: nah, i'm just yanking chains. twas 2x8cyl maths.
1511161;1469746340;ben_vulpes;"for 7.5k i'd expect you bought the 2-turbo model, but can you check to see if it has 2 or 3? sometimes the factory bolted a spare on."
1511162;1469746350;BingoBoingo;http://williamsbigbud.com/about-us/ << What pete_dushenski should ride. 16 cylinder 2-cycle engine!!!!!!!
1511163;1469746361;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: but pictures bugatti is only production car that would fit the 16cyl bill
1511164;1469746363;trinque;I have 32 cyl
1511165;1469746367;trinque;in my cupboard
1511166;1469746379;pete_dushenski;soup cans!
1511167;1469746384;trinque;quick this one
1511168;1469746389;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: point , earlier, was that cheap, ubiquitous petrol is every bit as usgtronic as the monsanto-midland-mcdonalds food supply system.
1511169;1469746405;ben_vulpes;http://portland.craigslist.org/nco/cto/5699433828.html << "this car will help you get your peepee wet"
1511170;1469746422;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: was rockefeller usgtronic ? i seem to recall him having bought and paid for congress, not the other way around.
1511171;1469746430;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this is a new point in the logs?
1511172;1469746438;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510843 << wotpaste plox, i don't havew that here.
1511173;1469746438;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 17:09 shinohai: mircea_popescu: final results from twitter campaign over 24 hr. http://ix.io/18ln
1511174;1469746453;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: pshaw that's not even an engine
1511175;1469746455;ben_vulpes;http://gcaptain.com/record-breaking-man-bw-engine-enters-service/
1511176;1469746459;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: that's a sexy tractor if ever i've seen one.
1511177;1469746462;ben_vulpes;“The engine, with a bore of 950 mm and a stroke of 3,460 mm, provides 6,870 kW/cylinder at 80 rpm and 21 bar MEP (in L1) and was introduced as a supplement to the successful S90ME-C9/10 engine types, allowing the engine to be further de-rated thanks to the larger cylinder bore and/or fewer cylinders to be installed.
1511178;1469746468;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: rockefeller's usa was a petro-exporter.
1511179;1469746476;asciilifeform;net.
1511180;1469746494;BingoBoingo;ben_vulpes: 2-cycle so MEGA-engine!
1511181;1469746520;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Seriously. 1 acre every minute!
1511182;1469746530;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: mega indeed.
1511183;1469746536;shinohai;mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/33ceeb02-97e8-4af6-a516-ecfdf8268a19/
1511184;1469746545;ben_vulpes;could fit a few dependopotami on one of those cylinders
1511185;1469746545;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510847 << about same reason they go "someone shat in the elevator" instead of "Paul shat in the elevator" eh.
1511186;1469746545;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 18:06 asciilifeform: why do people do this.
1511187;1469746558;mircea_popescu;ty
1511188;1469746575;_FeltPen;thx to whomever wrote the guide for tmsr.  very helpful navigating this stuff.
1511189;1469746597;mircea_popescu;which one ?
1511190;1469746607;mircea_popescu;shinohai da fuck is this, an image or something ?
1511191;1469746640;shinohai;screenshot so no doubt of veracity
1511192;1469746709;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices.
1511193;1469746709;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 19:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510893 << this is useful and necessary but, sad as it is to rain on parade: buildroot downloads 10,001 turds.
1511194;1469746723;ben_vulpes;> b64 encoded screenshot of ascii dickbutt
1511195;1469746723;mircea_popescu;shinohai i'll take your word for it, srs. dun need screenshots in ma pgp
1511196;1469746765;shinohai;kk
1511197;1469746771;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/ascii_dance.gif ftw
1511198;1469746801;_FeltPen;mircea - was "which one" directed at me by chance?
1511199;1469746805;mircea_popescu;yes.
1511200;1469746824;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i'll do you one better: http://www.techtimes.com/articles/127346/20160125/ascii-version-matrix-worlds-oldest-still-active-torrent.htm
1511201;1469746854;mircea_popescu;old skool bro.
1511202;1469746914;_FeltPen;actually I mispoke.  I meant BTC assets wiki (referred to wrong tab). Anyway, I'm having to refresh my memory on pgp and wot etc.  I forgot how good it is.
1511203;1469746969;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510929 << check out alf, the omnireader.
1511204;1469746969;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 19:23 asciilifeform: unrelatedly, did this http://thewhet.net/2016/alcachofa-7515 ever appear here ?
1511205;1469747047;ben_vulpes;are asciilifeform and i really the only ones with our own rss readers?
1511206;1469747051;mircea_popescu;fwiw i can certify as to accuracy, this is an actual physical item she pointed out to me. we had coffee watching it.
1511207;1469747066;asciilifeform;waiwat
1511208;1469747070;asciilifeform;what item
1511209;1469747073;mircea_popescu;the house.
1511210;1469747078;asciilifeform;aaah
1511211;1469747094;mircea_popescu;watched them paint it a garish blue once. they ran out of paint, leaving a footlong section down the middle.
1511212;1469747109;asciilifeform;orc sop.
1511213;1469747156;ben_vulpes;http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwgr8ep4Gy1qlh1qpo1_500.jpg << mircea_popescu fodder from my personal feedz
1511214;1469747161;asciilifeform;and there's roooom at the bottom: brazil awaits.
1511215;1469747199;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: bent mag is bent...
1511216;1469747205;mircea_popescu;wassat ?
1511217;1469747221;asciilifeform;and what's that strapped to her arm? 'my precious last round' ?
1511218;1469747241;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: critiques set detailing in pr0nz too no doubt
1511219;1469747242;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what "bullet" means to sluts yes ?
1511220;1469747261;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: small vibrating thing?
1511221;1469747264;mircea_popescu;aha.
1511222;1469747306;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510948 << lmao! what logs!
1511223;1469747306;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 20:10 covertress: Greetings.
1511224;1469747358;mircea_popescu;poor girl. i wonder what's the conclusion of average female after sticking finger in blender.
1511225;1469747389;ben_vulpes;aw come now! she didn't lose a finger.
1511226;1469747403;ben_vulpes;but come at me with "nobody knows youse lol" and see what happens.
1511227;1469747414;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy all through lol.
1511228;1469747422;mircea_popescu;$rate covertress 1 Entertaining.
1511229;1469747424;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/83a557d6-e830-47c7-8374-55e51f4850bd/
1511230;1469747455;mircea_popescu;funny how there's always a "legion in the sky" at every powerless derp's beak and call. "THE REAL WORLD". orly ? what real world ?
1511231;1469747474;mircea_popescu;$v DB7C81D483E8B0AC57FB384B64D7D3C11EFA2D1D2B23CB17F7E7FDC0F2B1FB5B
1511232;1469747474;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated covertress 1 << Entertaining.
1511233;1469747512;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v0v9k/someone_just_split_from_the_dao_and_drained_it/ https://archive.is/J2ZW4
1511234;1469747524;mircea_popescu;o noes.
1511235;1469747539;mircea_popescu;well, NOBODY HEARD OF IT so should be ok.
1511236;1469747627;mircea_popescu;anyway, the guy with the binary search is pretty good lol.
1511237;1469747822;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511055 << o ya. service economy 2.0
1511238;1469747822;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 21:28 asciilifeform: laugh, but folks have made $millions on 'kickstarter' doing essentially this.
1511239;1469747951;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard.
1511240;1469747951;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:32 asciilifeform: fact is, prior to musk there were no electromobile with ~reasonable range.
1511241;1469747980;mircea_popescu;but w/e, maybe im jaded.
1511242;1469748051;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511094 << last i recall, it went exactly the other way around : electric car "great deal" because nobody actually bothers to point out the externalities. in fact, ANYTHING BUT PETROL car, ie, "methanol" green car, hydrogen car etc. same deal.
1511243;1469748051;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:37 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: petrol car only looks like a great deal because no one hangs you upside down and rubs yer nose in the externalities.
1511244;1469748078;asciilifeform;these are petro products!
1511245;1469748127;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511097 << he doesn't know why he wants it ; but the larger thing that he's trying, unknowingly, to be, ie "mainstream media" thrives on anonimity because then greenwald, ie self-appointed derp of no value or importance, can ride on "anon" back all the way to the bank. it's a mental model that gets all the journawhores wet.
1511246;1469748127;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:37 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510950 << why would derpolodopolous assume that anyone wants anonimitee ? strange set of priors, this fella.
1511247;1469748152;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511101 << check out bb, exactly on the slice.
1511248;1469748152;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:38 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe asking people to anon is his way of preserving his "name" so it doesn't drown in better names?
1511249;1469748161;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: 'undisclosed sources' aha.
1511250;1469748177;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511239 << sane design would feature NiFe cell.
1511251;1469748177;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 23:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511085 << there still isn't. this is like saying "before emperor took a shit in the soup bowl there was no turdsoup." sure, now there is, technically, but it still ain't soup in the sense, "i'd want to eat that". i dun think at any point the notion that if you tape many cellphone batteries together you get A LARGER BATTERY/firehazard.
1511252;1469748184;pete_dushenski;'couldn't possibly reveal'!!!1
1511253;1469748192;pete_dushenski;violates ethics, y'know.
1511254;1469748201;mircea_popescu;yeah, the ethics of "i like to eat"
1511255;1469748221;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: why do you keep throwing around 'sane' like it means what you want it to mean ?
1511256;1469748232;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it.
1511257;1469748232;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:44 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: your petrol car easily eats 10k of usgolade every few yrs.
1511258;1469748249;mircea_popescu;out of every gallon burned, car eats a quarter and usg seven.
1511259;1469748250;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: industries and markets are. ideas only wish to be.
1511260;1469748259;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: it means 'the well-known , effective, but wholly ignored Right Answer.'
1511261;1469748271;mircea_popescu;i doubt it'd be effective. you'd end up with a nine ton car.
1511262;1469748297;pete_dushenski;9-tonner might be an issue for anyone 'sane' trying to maintain roads
1511263;1469748320;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511125 << srsly where do you come up with this shocking nonsense! bejaysus.
1511264;1469748320;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:45 asciilifeform: starting from the astonishingly available and quite subsidized (incl. via petrowar) fuel
1511265;1469748387;*;mircea_popescu skips over the rest of that trollage.
1511266;1469748390;asciilifeform;tally the costs of not having glassed saudi at the first sign of uppitiness.
1511267;1469748402;mircea_popescu;the who to the what now ?
1511268;1469748405;asciilifeform;and of the idiot gulf warz etc.
1511269;1469748412;mircea_popescu;none of this is germane.
1511270;1469748433;asciilifeform;the cost, to the rest of the planet, of those particular orcs remaining among the living.
1511271;1469748487;asciilifeform;and sure whatever if you use the 'not germane because i say so, fuckyou' magic wand, can come up with whatever answer you like.
1511272;1469748493;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: Right Answer is like Right God, it's a very personal thing once you start to divorce its connection to terra firma.
1511273;1469748522;mircea_popescu;dude. the cost of hiring a woman to scrub my floor is not "whatever plus the cost of keeping her from going to college and also running of to cuba w3hen she was 17"
1511274;1469748539;mircea_popescu;this is not how opportunity costs work.
1511275;1469748542;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: NiFe cell is not my invention, but... edison's. read up.
1511276;1469748577;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: true - and also the elementary particle socialism is made of.
1511277;1469748592;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: and pray tell where i may read up on other sanities like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511130
1511278;1469748592;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 22:46 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in a sane world, it would be petrol station that is a costly luxury.
1511279;1469748593;asciilifeform;anything! is cheeeap! - if others pay.
1511280;1469748600;pete_dushenski;ru scifi ?
1511281;1469748650;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: do you imagine that your payment at he pump comes remotely close to covering the actual coat of the liquid dino?
1511282;1469748659;asciilifeform;*the
1511283;1469748665;asciilifeform;cost
1511284;1469748677;asciilifeform;bleh, gotta switch machines
1511285;1469748707;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: cost in what sense ? you want me to calculate cost of dead duck who flew into tailings pond  ?
1511286;1469748749;pete_dushenski;this is a slippery slope towards 'all lives are worth infinityplusone doll hairs'
1511287;1469748762;asciilifeform;fughet 'lives'
1511288;1469748821;asciilifeform;roll, e.g., simply the costs of there being such a thing as saudi arabia. if you like, ~solely~ of property damage from attributed explosions.
1511289;1469748838;*;asciilifeform brb
1511290;1469748845;trinque;this is the fucking carbon credits argument
1511291;1469748874;trinque;I am not here to pay for consequences like somebody's child, merely to buy a product
1511292;1469748913;*;pete_dushenski knows he's been spending too much time in #trilema when it takes him four tries to spell conpherence with an 'f' for work proposal
1511293;1469748966;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: saudi arabia doesn't enter into it. alberta, texas, and bakken do. unless you can explain this angle ?
1511294;1469749028;pete_dushenski;trinque: alberta socialists just introduced 'carbon tax'. will be mild annoyance for next 3 years until repealed by righties next election.
1511295;1469749065;ben_vulpes;nah pete_dushenski you gotta install a bouncer so that nobody knows when you're around or not, and as a consequence can't raise an eyebrow at 'too much time in #trilema'
1511296;1469749074;trinque;they should introduce a meta-tax next, which is a tax which covers the cost (including pain and suffering) of the cockroach bureaucrats having to count the taxes
1511297;1469749096;mircea_popescu;again : the 2 dollars paid at pump for a gallon of gas are split : $0.25 covers the entire economic process involved ; $1.75 goes to usg to pay for random idiocy du jour
1511298;1469749103;trinque;not just their wage mind but the wage of all jobs they might have done otherwise
1511299;1469749105;mircea_popescu;this isn't going away just because alf had a weird day.
1511300;1469749124;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: there are no eyebrows to raise at me!
1511301;1469749138;pete_dushenski;trinque: chinese probably tried that already. a millennium ago or so.
1511302;1469749143;ben_vulpes;someone musta shaved my forehead while i wasn't looking
1511303;1469749147;mircea_popescu;there isn't "the cost of there being such a thing as saudi arabia". this isn't how costs work. and in general, this isn't fucking fiction.
1511304;1469749164;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: lol
1511305;1469749191;pete_dushenski;ben_vulpes: or maybe your cat died and you never left pharoah's egypt after all
1511306;1469749214;ben_vulpes;being in #trilema means being connected.
1511307;1469749226;ben_vulpes;*and* voiced.
1511308;1469749241;mircea_popescu;trinque i'd be happy with a boyhood tax. to quote the classics, three pennies to the gossip ; two to the lie and one for every two stupidities.
1511309;1469749315;pete_dushenski;no opera for the gossiper
1511310;1469749341;trinque;generous rate on the stupidities
1511311;1469749536;BingoBoingo;$up b-a_alum
1511312;1469749536;deedbot;b-a_alum voiced for 30 minutes.
1511313;1469749548;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510942 << haha, cool. and no, i wouldn't be surprised if someone here finds it and harangues me for unauthorizedly publishing their exact history or w/e
1511314;1469749548;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 19:35 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot 'alcachofa 7515' is mega-story. i can almost apprehend the sheer vacuum inside the argentine heads now!111
1511315;1469749722;mircea_popescu;trinque 1880s rate, apud caragiale.
1511316;1469750619;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511291 << Just Wanted??
1511317;1469750619;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 23:34 trinque: I am not here to pay for consequences like somebody's child, merely to buy a product
1511318;1469750690;trinque;not at fucking all.
1511319;1469750711;trinque;you do not get to tally up the sum total of effect something has on the univese itself and try to derive a price from that
1511320;1469750731;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511290 << y'know, just because envirocrats impose tax on usaschwitz inmates, to pay for al gore's yachts - does not mean that externalities dun exist.
1511321;1469750731;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 23:34 trinque: this is the fucking carbon credits argument
1511322;1469750772;asciilifeform;trinque: i get to tally the cost of unambiguously petro-related atrocities.
1511323;1469750780;asciilifeform;not 'universe'.
1511324;1469750836;trinque;cost and effect are not synonyms
1511325;1469750933;asciilifeform;no amount of sophistry will get you folks out of this one. we pay the cost of burning dino every time we take breath, for instance.
1511326;1469750943;asciilifeform;and it ~is~ a cost.
1511327;1469751084;trinque;I wonder how many other idiot languages conflate monetary cost and "prevents alternate possible outcome"
1511328;1469751088;trinque;probably all of them
1511329;1469751095;trinque;as in, "the train wreck cost him his life"
1511330;1469751095;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511256 << i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel becomes $.25 litre
1511331;1469751095;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 23:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1511123 << not for a second. without usg, gas is ~25 cents at the pump. it FEEDS the usgolade, not eats from it.
1511332;1469751101;trinque;that is not fucking monetary at all
1511333;1469751182;asciilifeform;trinque: generally a deliberate bargain is implied - otherwise, 'living cost him his life'
1511334;1469751279;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: $44 barrel nets $2 gallon at the pump. $100 barrel closer to $4 per gal at the pump.
1511335;1469751356;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu claims ~actual~ cost is ~25c, earlier.
1511336;1469751357;pete_dushenski;when discussing proportions, it's essential to keep in mind what our priors are. don't be the vacuum thinking kid from the recent contravex comments
1511337;1469751373;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: elaborate?
1511338;1469751378;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/25/bumble-better-than-tinder-worse-than-go/#comment-48896 << this guy
1511339;1469751484;asciilifeform;i dun get it?
1511340;1469751514;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: basically, costs and prices fluctuate and you can't just cherrypick historical numbers to suit your theory.
1511341;1469751527;pete_dushenski;so bitcoin was once a buck. what of it ?
1511342;1469751597;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: my original contention had nothing to do with a particular price.
1511343;1469751615;pete_dushenski;but your latter contention did.
1511344;1469751627;asciilifeform;but that ~nobody paid anything like the actual cost of his petro-ride at the pump, in half a century or so.
1511345;1469751627;asciilifeform;the rest - socialized.
1511346;1469751629;asciilifeform;and that this is just as loathesome as obummercare.
1511347;1469751666;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: why only in last half-century ? what changed ?
1511348;1469751762;asciilifeform;saudi getting to pretend that they are people, and have ownership of their fossils?
1511349;1469751794;asciilifeform;americans cancerously growing to the point where they import by the megatonne?
1511350;1469751804;asciilifeform;largely these, afaik.
1511351;1469751889;pete_dushenski;so non-people helping non-people... i fail to see the issue here. saudis have far more culture, however lamentable you may find it, than americanos.
1511352;1469751916;pete_dushenski;structure, rules, hierarchy, the lot. saudis have. usians don't.
1511353;1469751954;asciilifeform;what planet's usa did pete_dushenski visit..?
1511354;1469751962;pete_dushenski;besides, everything alive grows to the point where it can't grow anymore.
1511355;1469752011;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: of the social form, not the 'we wrote this on a piece of paper and now it means things and we also made lots and lots of signs everywhere so that you never forget what we wrote on the pieces of paper'
1511356;1469752034;pete_dushenski;the two are not of one kind.
1511357;1469752140;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: this entire thread reminds me of a uniquely-american, incidentally, pasttime: impassioned defense of the heathen imperial system of weights&measures
1511358;1469752148;pete_dushenski;anyways, i have to beat this rainstorm heading my way. having left the 16cyls parked, cycling and all. i'll read the continuation in the logs but it'll be a few busy days until i'm voiced again.
1511359;1469752167;asciilifeform;'petro is mainstream, ubiquitous, easy, fuck off with the weird'
1511360;1469752178;asciilifeform;'gallon and inch forever'.
1511361;1469752183;asciilifeform;~==.
1511362;1469752186;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/bundle-422651.txt
1511363;1469752213;trinque;ey mod6 ^
1511364;1469752234;asciilifeform;trinque: deedbot really ought not shit where it has nit eaten, imho.
1511365;1469752240;asciilifeform;*not
1511366;1469752249;trinque;it didn't.
1511367;1469752259;trinque;this is in the logs.
1511368;1469752259;asciilifeform;it evaled for 4 hrs?!
1511369;1469752263;asciilifeform;neat
1511370;1469752284;*;asciilifeform digs.
1511371;1469752286;trinque;blockchain was a bit behind on the node, but yes, farts bundle URLs now
1511372;1469752290;shinohai;Finally! been waiting on that for some time trinque lol
1511373;1469752310;trinque;my observation is that my node will get behind, then rapidly catch up if restarted
1511374;1469752322;trinque;I might find time to investigate why soon
1511375;1469752332;asciilifeform;trinque: this comes from the idiot socket handler
1511376;1469752344;asciilifeform;enemy can hog sockets and never let go
1511377;1469752353;trinque;yeah, sounds about rihgt
1511378;1469752364;asciilifeform;iirc i described this in detail some time last year.
1511379;1469752424;*;asciilifeform bbl - playing with pet...
1511380;1469752429;trinque;cya
1511381;1469752529;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: consider a bouncer. logins and self-voicings is unnecessary opsec bit-leakage.
1511382;1469752552;ben_vulpes;"kindergarten opsec lessons!11!" as asciilifeform would say
1511383;1469752595;ben_vulpes;to continue the exercise, for students, every time pete_dushenski is logged in and self-voiced, he may be assumed to be in physical proximity to his keys.
1511384;1469753364;mod6;<+trinque> ey mod6 ^ << hey, thanks again trinque. o7
1511385;1469754895;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> and it ~is~ a cost. << so far, it's "alf got drunk one day, went on an abstruse rant".
1511386;1469754971;mircea_popescu;i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel << i dunno what you think this sort of nonsense achieves. what in fact it achieves is "oh look, alf has nfi what stuff costs, but he wants to derp about how it works". it's a bad habit.
1511387;1469755116;mircea_popescu;~nobody paid anything like the actual cost << if you mean "the cost to make huge ferns, stuff them into earth, make oil", then yes. this is however no argument : nobody pays, nor could anyone ever pay, the "cost to re-do big bang".
1511388;1469755144;mircea_popescu;want it or not, some level of denied externality is baked into life, not just human life bu life altogether. most people grok this point when contemplating lord kelivn's universal death idea.
1511389;1469756268;BingoBoingo;In other news, some derp is dreaming about mustering enough miners to 51% the ethereum chain that didn't hardfork in a time travel theft. Idiot appears to be neglecting that much hash would make his chain vulnerable.
1511390;1469756666;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511388 << tru! but - why deny?!
1511391;1469756666;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 01:19 mircea_popescu: want it or not, some level of denied externality is baked into life, not just human life bu life altogether. most people grok this point when contemplating lord kelivn's universal death idea.
1511392;1469756884;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511386 << argument concerned simple principle: if folks dun feel like counting gulf war I and II, and ~all~ wahabbi derpery, etc. as 'part of cost of petro', i can just as readily say that fukushima, chernobyl are 'not in the cost' of fission-power. etc
1511393;1469756884;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 01:16 mircea_popescu: i eagerly await article explaining how $100 petrobarrel << i dunno what you think this sort of nonsense achieves. what in fact it achieves is "oh look, alf has nfi what stuff costs, but he wants to derp about how it works". it's a bad habit.
1511394;1469756912;asciilifeform;laugh at both, or neither, or you have unprincipled-exception.
1511395;1469760803;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510902 << this is a good point, actually. gotta be looked into, sealing gotta seal all the crevices. << noted. I dug into this at one point, but got side tracked by other pressing things that came up at the time.
1511396;1469760803;a111;Logged on 2016-07-28 19:13 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-28#1510893 << this is useful and necessary but, sad as it is to rain on parade: buildroot downloads 10,001 turds.
1511397;1469760851;mod6;I'm trying to remember the specifics.  I can't seem to recall too much about it.
1511398;1469760915;mod6;I'd have to dig through the logs.  I'll turn my attention to that at some point soon after I get an updated build script out there.
1511399;1469765135;trinque;asciilifeform: I refer you to the "pay for sunlight" thread. No one contests that there *are* externalities, but their cost is undefined.
1511400;1469765143;trinque;and pointedly not fucking zero
1511401;1469765145;trinque;undefined
1511402;1469765437;trinque;and for fucks sake there is no such thing as "the cost of fission power"
1511403;1469765505;trinque;no one ever bought "fission power" the concept
1511404;1469765558;trinque;you conflate transactional, monetary cost and ~consequence
1511405;1469766600;trinque;heh, here, "you cannot buy X unhappenings of chernobyl!"
1511406;1469766603;*;trinque goes to bed
1511407;1469773583;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo the substance of the dreamer's dream is always dreamy! and of a creamy consistence!
1511408;1469773768;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
1511409;1469773783;mircea_popescu;there's better ways to learn things than saying the stupidest thing one can thing of to the smartest people he can find.
1511410;1469773853;mircea_popescu;but of course, more generally, the reason civilisation in all its known implementations always flows towards "herd of females, and capons" is exactly that naturally, boys tend to prefer learning by the above described process, which is never popular with the learned.
1511411;1469773913;mircea_popescu;this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things.
1511412;1469774062;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Fireside chat with Russ Roberts. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/07/29/fireside-chat-with-russ-roberts/
1511413;1469774234;mircea_popescu;anyway, to round the matter for the readership, oil is not 100, but about 35 atm. was 40 last year. in this interval of time, about two thirds of the cost of the barrel comes from various royalties paid to governments, both directly and indirectly in the form of "compliance" with myriad idiocies. the cost of refining, owing to technological advance entirely unrelated to government, is under a cent. transportation around a cen
1511414;1469774235;mircea_popescu;t. the 25 cents may not be exact, but they're not far off for one thing, and based on actual reasoning as opposed to "let's say things see what happens".
1511415;1469774270;mircea_popescu;it's true that oil ~futures~ did top 100 for some time some time ago. this is a different sort of "price" than the "price" of interest in the reasoning above, and a different sort of signal.
1511416;1469774379;mircea_popescu;that difference is perhaps best understood as the difference between "find me the real roots of f(x)" and "find me the limit of f(x) with x->inf". different stories altogether.
1511417;1469775136;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah, i recall.
1511418;1469775194;mircea_popescu;trinque the important point about "externalities" in a discussion of money, and by extension capitalism, is that they're never anything other than a power play. (much like appeals to "science" in a social setting, notwithstanding the libertard's hollow pretense to the contrary).
1511419;1469775286;mircea_popescu;when i say "You see ? The capitalist found the externality, made his item certainly cheaper and arguably "better" at the expense of unknown things not in his charge." i am not being facetious. the derp's actually being a good capitalist in that example. which is the broader point there : one can't pull himself up by own breeches, "capitalism" is not a cure for stupidity, merely an instrument for smart people.
1511420;1469777208;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://namethatporn.com/post/333009-where-can-i-find-this-video.html
1511421;1469789603;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18Bb
1511422;1469789604;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511423;1469791919;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511402 << nobody complained in the 10,001 times i mentioned 'the cost of microshit'
1511424;1469791919;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 04:10 trinque: and for fucks sake there is no such thing as "the cost of fission power"
1511425;1469792044;asciilifeform;i'd luvvv to know, why the special pleading for petrocar, it is quite the same as winblowz, x86, and other 'this is mainstream, cheap, normal and stop counting the actual damage from it as cost, you terrorist'
1511426;1469792336;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511416 << why should i look at the instantaneous value solely, rather than this limit?
1511427;1469792336;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 06:39 mircea_popescu: that difference is perhaps best understood as the difference between "find me the real roots of f(x)" and "find me the limit of f(x) with x->inf". different stories altogether.
1511428;1469792428;asciilifeform;the 100, as i understand, is a more honest figure, it factors in actual trend (no prizes for guessing: down) in production, aint nobody making moar of it.. - and is less affected by the anti-ru dumping presently in effect
1511429;1469792580;asciilifeform;the above is why i never dug into the 'pricing of energetics' thing in detail - i find he subj quite similar to, e.g., usg unemployment figures - i have no access to the seeeekrit evidence required to cut away the fiction from the reality
1511430;1469792595;asciilifeform;*the subj
1511431;1469792650;asciilifeform;at least partly because ~the usd~ is an artifact consisting largely of fiction;
1511432;1469792726;asciilifeform;but also because the petro market is only partly a market, but partly also a system of tribute collection and other non-commercial exchange
1511433;1469792770;asciilifeform;(e.g., what happened to saddam h's petro deal with fr, and why? where is ghaddafi's?)
1511434;1469792939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry'
1511435;1469792944;asciilifeform;or did i dream this.
1511436;1469793408;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511408 << it is a proper field , perhaps, but makes the spy business look transparent. ftmeade leaks, saudi palace - not, afaik.
1511437;1469793408;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 06:29 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a matter of "deny". energy economics is a proper field, which you're welcome to learn if you care, or not. the behaviour you briefly engaged in is not unlike 15 yo alf trying to learn math by busting into brin sr's class and yelling "all functions are convex! prove me wrong!" really loudly.
1511438;1469793502;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu appears to be deliberately glossing over important difference between asciilifeform in petro thread and the proverbial 'all functions are convex!!1111' kid above
1511439;1469793588;asciilifeform;which is, that mathematics is ~accessible~ to the determined mind. always, with no exception, WITHOUT demanding a swallowing of seekrit evidence.
1511440;1469794086;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511411 << i'd enjoy reading moar about this
1511441;1469794086;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 06:31 mircea_popescu: this is a prime something to cleave, somehow. it is a major limit of our world, much moreso than "carbon" blabla or gravity. its unyielding pressure creates the necessity of the harem, for instance, and many things.
1511442;1469794101;asciilifeform;was there an article?
1511443;1469795806;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18CL
1511444;1469795806;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511445;1469795867;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Got your telegram, worked smooth. Tested on Gentto and Debian, will update on Ubuntu.
1511446;1469795867;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511447;1469797685;BingoBoingo;shinohai: added a footnote for you
1511448;1469797708;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo ... thestringpuller put me on more comedy lulz incoming
1511449;1469797862;BingoBoingo;brb
1511450;1469799042;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18Dz
1511451;1469799042;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511452;1469802796;trinque;hm odd, I've got something to fix in deedbot's ghost logic. apparently ghost doesn't work if the ghosted nick disconnects in between the connection and ghost.
1511453;1469803019;asciilifeform;from the dept. of lulz: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/2016-07/turkish-academics-human-rights-ban-travel-recep-tayyip-erdogan
1511454;1469803034;asciilifeform;including the brain-melter: 'Because I stay independent in my science, I am dependent on international  funding. '
1511455;1469803056;shinohai;dafuq
1511456;1469803134;shinohai;"Because I stay independent in my Bitcoin, I am dependent on Roger Ver for funding."
1511457;1469803197;asciilifeform;$up omglovethis
1511458;1469803197;deedbot;omglovethis voiced for 30 minutes.
1511459;1469804271;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 yeah, i recall. << iirc, there was a whole pile of these second level deps.  i seem to remember that at the time, there wasn't a plan in place for how to climb the mountain there.  but with the primary artifacts now deeded, we have a pattern.
1511460;1469804323;mod6;hopefully we can get those ones in, and work towards getting the whole wad frozen.
1511461;1469804339;mod6; <shinohai> Got your telegram, worked smooth. Tested on Gentto and Debian, will update on Ubuntu. << hey thanks!
1511462;1469804404;shinohai;Finished the Ubuntu build before you got on, so yeah all working nice mod6
1511463;1469804558;mod6;So, yeah, added in the pull of the deeds, the checking of the sigs, uudecoded, and checked the output hashes.  not just on the craptastic four; also put in explicit sig checking on the rotor and V.
1511464;1469804579;mod6;Previously we were checking this, but I don't know if it was failing properly if there was a bad sig.
1511465;1469804647;shinohai;I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again
1511466;1469804772;thestringpuller;LOL
1511467;1469804772;mod6;ah.  yeah might still be some changes to come if something doesn't pass the tests.  so be prepared for that eventuallity until V99994 is placed in deedbot.
1511468;1469804816;shinohai;Oh I know it will all get changed lol xD
1511469;1469804929;mod6;so i need to still do some negative testing; i need to kinda run the script a section at a time.  and in each section, exiting after it pulls an artifact, diddle the signature by hand on the fs, then resume; this should cause the signature check to fail, and the signature conditional to exit the script with an error as designed.
1511470;1469804976;shinohai;^ I actually did this to ensure I was getting correct sigs each time.
1511471;1469804976;mod6;if that stuff works well, then will probably pass around for others to try before it's deed-ified
1511472;1469804991;mod6;you already did all that!? ^5
1511473;1469805015;mod6;i was gonna do it late lasntight, but was getting too late.
1511474;1469805022;shinohai;yeah i diddled the sigs on each part and reran. Failed as expected
1511475;1469805030;mod6;outstanding.
1511476;1469805032;*;shinohai has been up since 4 am xD
1511477;1469805428;mod6;nice
1511478;1469805504;mod6;<+shinohai> I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again << this /should/ fail.  because buildroot won't be able to pull all of its stuff down.
1511479;1469805552;shinohai;oh yeah, true
1511480;1469805554;mod6;however, this is a decent opportunity to go a head, build with the build script, save all your terminal output to say a `script` into typescript or whatever bash logging you wanna do, and gather up the list of deps buildroot pulls so I can start to climb that mountain.
1511481;1469805566;mod6;s/a head/ahead
1511482;1469805629;mod6;i've done this before, I was saying in here, but.. it's been a good while since.  Might be worth another gathering.  If that's a bit boring or whatever, don't worry, I can tackle this later.
1511483;1469805636;mod6;But if looking for a useful task...
1511484;1469806588;asciilifeform;mod6 et al: https://buildroot.org/downloads/manual/manual.html#_offline_builds << may be worth looking into
1511485;1469806661;mod6;asciilifeform: hey, ya, thanks.
1511486;1469806681;mod6;will certainly be revisiting all of this in August.
1511487;1469810062;mats;https://imgur.com/TMhU9v6.gifv
1511488;1469810110;asciilifeform;mats: who/whom ?
1511489;1469810166;asciilifeform;or was it exercise.
1511490;1469810191;mats;exercise, idk who those people are
1511491;1469810217;asciilifeform;lulzy
1511492;1469811005;mats;you tracking this year's 'cyber grand challenge'?
1511493;1469811028;asciilifeform;mats: not since i quit the shithole where that was my day job, l0l
1511494;1469811049;asciilifeform;(i was to be sent.)
1511495;1469811121;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511423 << this is a political choice, the matter's discussed pluriously. hitler pays the bill for "what he did" AND for what "he made us do". microshit has no way out of liability for the same reason the conclusion of 390 gaul campaign was not "a delegation of older women from each side got together to list each side's complaints and sufferances equally and wail together".
1511496;1469811121;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 11:31 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511402 << nobody complained in the 10,001 times i mentioned 'the cost of microshit'
1511497;1469811147;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i expected this answer!
1511498;1469811152;asciilifeform;my mircea_popescumulator works!111111
1511499;1469811168;mircea_popescu;see alsohttp://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510475
1511500;1469811168;a111;Logged on 2016-07-27 17:55 mircea_popescu: "i'll pay your son to rape your wife with money taken from your house" is the byline of the revolution.
1511501;1469811192;mircea_popescu;o look, it nukes links right out of text! neat.
1511502;1469811217;mats;wao
1511503;1469811336;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511426 << for ~the same reason you're invited to not value cars by the process of running down the street in a gaggle of boys this age yelling at times "whoa this is a good one, 250!" because the car had a speedometer backing listing that number.
1511504;1469811336;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 11:38 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511416 << why should i look at the instantaneous value solely, rather than this limit?
1511505;1469811345;mircea_popescu;did they do that in 1990 russia also ?
1511506;1469811397;mircea_popescu;but no, the 100 is not a trend indicator, it's a situation indicator. long term historical prices indicate the trend, future spot indicates the short term.
1511507;1469811434;mircea_popescu;contrary to what you might think for unclear and i suspect unexamined reasons, finance is actually a quite sensible, rather complex and definitely satisfying art.
1511508;1469811438;asciilifeform;point.
1511509;1469811442;mircea_popescu;a
1511510;1469811450;mircea_popescu;in places has a lot in common with "submarine piloting".
1511511;1469811476;mircea_popescu;a submarine doesn't drive, not like a car at any rate. a submarine is a lot closer to a plane, ie, "a dot being moved on a graph". except the plane has a much ampler bubble.
1511512;1469811619;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511429 << not as a civilian, and for the very obvious reason. (or at least it should be obvious - past a few hundred or so, adding more "opinion"ators does not improve the overall quality of the resultant opinion, even if it increases the costs of resulting it.which is also why "inclusive" programs always fail. so people trying to figure this shit out really don't need anymore noise. good en
1511513;1469811619;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 11:43 asciilifeform: the above is why i never dug into the 'pricing of energetics' thing in detail - i find he subj quite similar to, e.g., usg unemployment figures - i have no access to the seeeekrit evidence required to cut away the fiction from the reality
1511514;1469811619;mircea_popescu;ough as it is, with everyone lying to everyone every chance they get, as part and parcel of what economics IS, this branch of cryptocurrency.)
1511515;1469811650;mircea_popescu;but, ~nothing keeps you from taking the oath and then you'll know. and have no time for anything else, included remembering why the fuck you wanted to know in the first place. such is  the wonder.
1511516;1469811689;asciilifeform;aha, sorta how many years ago i tried to work in nsa.
1511517;1469811707;asciilifeform;picture, would be there still, watering office plants or sumthing.
1511518;1469811715;asciilifeform;wondering where remanant of brain - went.
1511519;1469811723;mircea_popescu;as balzac would say, "une vie".
1511520;1469812031;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511434 << this example doesn't work because when valuing "cars" one makes a deliberate exception of the $15 cost of the raw sheet metal going in. there is no such thing as minerals that aren't also stolen cars. again for the obvious reason - nobody's mommy picks molybden ingots from under her nails as normal part of morning hygiene.
1511521;1469812031;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 11:48 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article, iirc, where 'when considering avg price of cars, do not also average in the price of stolen cars sold in a hurry'
1511522;1469812092;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511436 << this is a large part of why my position is and has for a while been derisive of nsa and especially meta-nsa.
1511523;1469812092;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 11:56 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511408 << it is a proper field , perhaps, but makes the spy business look transparent. ftmeade leaks, saudi palace - not, afaik.
1511524;1469812095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here is where i must disagree: mineral that someone digs up, then sells, and the selling pays for the digging - is not in any useful sense stolen
1511525;1469812109;mircea_popescu;oh ? and purse someone cuts, drives bike to and fro ?
1511526;1469812111;asciilifeform;whereas if syria pumps, isis loots, and then sells for pennies on the dollar - then yes.
1511527;1469812118;mats;i found this and thought it was kinda interesting https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/03/41-months-weev-understanding-how-sentencing-guidelines-work-cfaa-cases-0
1511528;1469812123;mircea_popescu;you have no title over any minerals, not anymore you have it over bitcoin, or that lady's purse.
1511529;1469812135;asciilifeform;i wasn't thinking of title.
1511530;1469812140;mircea_popescu;the minor difference that NO ONE ELSE has title on the first two, and supposedly the lady on the third, is not germane to YOUR position.
1511531;1469812143;mircea_popescu;but title is the point.
1511532;1469812149;asciilifeform;but of the elementary sense in which stolen cars are not legitimately reflective of the cost of making car.
1511533;1469812158;mircea_popescu;title is the problem here though.
1511534;1469812209;mircea_popescu;and the deep reason title is the problem is this : that my own slavegirl, i will beat. but random whore, i will not.
1511535;1469812216;mircea_popescu;ie, one doesn't improve matter he doesn't hold title to.
1511536;1469812254;asciilifeform;title is a convenient fiction. whereas 'does this system run on human fat' is an answerable question. and a car market where mircea_popescu paid for his mazerati but tyrone stole and sold for fiddybux, is not conducive to continued production of mazeratis.
1511537;1469812289;mircea_popescu;mno. title as understood by idiots is a convenient fiction, much like santa-the-gift-giver is a convenient fiction. this fiction does not mean it's a good idea to be a bad kiddy, in either case.
1511538;1469812304;mircea_popescu;title, as a convenient fiction in common parlance, nevertheless translates a deep and important ontological difference.
1511539;1469812316;asciilifeform;it is precisely the 'colour of bits' though, no ?
1511540;1469812333;mircea_popescu;mno. you recall the gypsy stolen gun story ?
1511541;1469812343;asciilifeform;aha?
1511542;1469812378;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between cow and rifle. other than the objectively obvious and in general.
1511543;1469812431;mircea_popescu;ie, that the cow is the product of someone nursing a veal ; whereas the rifle wasn't nursed from pistolhood. the joke's a joke, but "your" car and "your" chunk of copper aren't the same thing.
1511544;1469812484;*;asciilifeform can see this.
1511545;1469812500;asciilifeform;brief interlude:
1511546;1469812503;asciilifeform;807925151782775182517871917216748799011102566742887100803258635688116378471697272329930035288072836592217949023047450487352988978762273027377203809661207078015771934182524902293754943759741302669901440959601689206919805466065493904045952358461904261764541146300907626072189397288526645215188809978098259658811214042401457294790599323277349910659038507666798966533119515201399710353072749681585595559674
1511547;1469812508;asciilifeform;8383575217432181074792435301770768726610455339706791900935464128698326897340546560352914870971538835730445303345837491825537422632877761923523966252818257555740374555481868300398678595310369133225524118743778876169
1511548;1469812513;mircea_popescu;i never thought i'd be excited by how long they are.
1511549;1469812513;asciilifeform;is a perfect square.
1511550;1469812518;mircea_popescu;whoa!
1511551;1469812518;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDDE667282B355D21D9F0E3505442E332AB082F487BFFC440034D11D636FD6A7
1511552;1469812521;asciilifeform;^ his
1511553;1469812523;mircea_popescu;now THAT is an accident ?
1511554;1469812527;asciilifeform;SURPRISINGLY, the only one.
1511555;1469812527;mircea_popescu;squares ? rly ?
1511556;1469812529;asciilifeform;in whole db.
1511557;1469812539;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1511558;1469812556;asciilifeform;it means he's phucked, as soon as i add the knob for manually augmenting 8ball.
1511559;1469812567;mircea_popescu;heh.
1511560;1469812591;asciilifeform;i would dearly love to know where mr. Khadeer generated his key.
1511561;1469812657;mircea_popescu;anyway, yes "made of human fat" is answerable. the problem is - everything's made of human fat. much more important a question is, to use ballas' exceptionally apt terminology for the matter, "is this an impossible fantasy to be pursued at the expene of your labour and your life" ? the lori gottlieb question.
1511562;1469812672;asciilifeform;follow the 'seen elsewhere' links, aslo
1511563;1469812697;mircea_popescu;it is ALSO answerable, except not in certain ways. from a particular solipsistic position, the "probability" of there existing such a thing as a cube of bronze is just as remote as the probability of there existing a cube of antimatter the same size.
1511564;1469812705;mircea_popescu;THIS incidentally is a problem you run into all the time.
1511565;1469812738;asciilifeform;hm?
1511566;1469812774;asciilifeform;( meanwhile: Mahmood Khadeer <mhkhadee@hotmail.com>; none <algemeenoptie2@gmail.com>;
1511567;1469812777;asciilifeform;User(s):
1511568;1469812780;asciilifeform;Godless Prayer <godless.prayer@gmx.de>;
1511569;1469812786;mircea_popescu;Mahmood Khadeer , " president and co-founder of the Muslim Association of Puget Sound (MAPS)" ?
1511570;1469812787;asciilifeform;john <john.k.pescador@hawaii.gov>;
1511571;1469812795;asciilifeform;Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern@schroedel.cc>;
1511572;1469812803;asciilifeform;Nick Ruston <alliancemicro@dodemall.redcheetah.com>;
1511573;1469812810;asciilifeform;Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern.schroedel@gmx.de>;
1511574;1469812816;asciilifeform;^ all share this modulus ^.
1511575;1469812823;asciilifeform;)
1511576;1469812833;mircea_popescu;dodemail ?
1511577;1469812837;mircea_popescu;ahahaha wut.
1511578;1469812850;asciilifeform;i have nfi !
1511579;1469812857;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy compost matter.
1511580;1469812873;asciilifeform;aha! in what did they generate key, in old rusty stove ?
1511581;1469812878;asciilifeform;or is this elaborate tr0l0l0l.
1511582;1469812880;asciilifeform;or wat.
1511583;1469812896;mircea_popescu;it'd have to be a state the art ownatron. seeing how rusty stoves has small chances of finding squares quite so deliciously.
1511584;1469812923;asciilifeform;eh you get one simply when pgptron sets q to equal p
1511585;1469812931;asciilifeform;instead of bothering with generating a q
1511586;1469812942;mircea_popescu;what's this, the "halfkey" mode ?
1511587;1469812960;asciilifeform;the 'mother dropped me as a baby but i will write a pgptron' mode, possibly
1511588;1469812978;asciilifeform;or shenanigans with diddled keygen
1511589;1469812985;mircea_popescu;seems improbable that dropped baby manages to compile hello world. to my eyes it's rather deliberate, but anyway.
1511590;1469813034;asciilifeform;'redcheetah.com' redirects to http://op.ecisolutions.com/red-falcon.aspx
1511591;1469813048;asciilifeform;^ they sell some sort of cloud nonsense
1511592;1469813060;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511439 << not so, sadly. mathematics is accessible, yes, but only to the clear mind. the determined mind has clarity problems definitionally. you generally see just how fucking accessible mathematics is to the determined mind when reviewing the quality of statistics work produced by determined minds.
1511593;1469813060;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 11:59 asciilifeform: which is, that mathematics is ~accessible~ to the determined mind. always, with no exception, WITHOUT demanding a swallowing of seekrit evidence.
1511594;1469813066;mircea_popescu;we even did some of that in channel.
1511595;1469813098;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is accessible in the sense that i dun need to swear an oath, get tatooed, castrate meself with rusty knife, etc. to become adept.
1511596;1469813107;asciilifeform;nor be of aryan blood, or the like.
1511597;1469813110;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for-people-who-cant-afford-airfare/ << determined minds.
1511598;1469813126;asciilifeform;determined AND 'this tall to play', goes without saying
1511599;1469813138;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but you do, in a sense. where's that oglaf...
1511600;1469813155;asciilifeform;'any man can learn to fire a pistol' 'but this one here has no hands' 'wasn't speaking of him , wtf'
1511601;1469813192;mircea_popescu;http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/
1511602;1469813269;asciilifeform;lol!
1511603;1469813273;mircea_popescu;yawell...
1511604;1469813540;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511442 << no, not really, perhaps past the "bitcoin is creating its own set of problems".
1511605;1469813540;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 12:08 asciilifeform: was there an article?
1511606;1469813556;mircea_popescu;sadly all the idiots are busy "researching" their way out of the hole digging in just about the opposite direction.
1511607;1469813561;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the one where 'boys cannot safely misbehave and learn' ?
1511608;1469813572;mircea_popescu;but my vituperations of "iliteracy" as exemplified by your arcane symbology et all is not unrelated.
1511609;1469813575;mircea_popescu;there's problems here.
1511610;1469813581;mircea_popescu;and they ate the lions.
1511611;1469813586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah.
1511612;1469813596;asciilifeform;i very much recall that piece.
1511613;1469813649;mircea_popescu;anyway. the irony of ironies, smooth in its uncanny fineness, is that THERE WOULD BE what to do to pay back the money spent on "studies".
1511614;1469813662;mircea_popescu;they're just not doing it.
1511615;1469813735;asciilifeform;oh btw, http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cair-condemns-attack-on-seattle-jewish-center-57084602.html << mahmoud khadeer @ hotmail etc.
1511616;1469813755;asciilifeform;didja know ! these attract SUCH MAGICal bitrot
1511617;1469813771;asciilifeform;makes perfect square rsa mod, factorable in motherfucking O(1), every time!111111
1511618;1469813849;asciilifeform;http://wizbangblog.com/content/2006/07/29/when-you-cair-enough-to-say-th.php << obligatory metawank re above.
1511619;1469814032;asciilifeform;aaaaand
1511620;1469814044;asciilifeform;https://github.com/johnpescador << john <john.k.pescador@hawaii.gov>
1511621;1469814063;asciilifeform;^ ~empty
1511622;1469814107;asciilifeform;https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/oahu-state-public-parking-lots-fcdc9 << same. ???
1511623;1469814166;mircea_popescu;heh.
1511624;1469814231;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511452 << yeah. it finds nothing to ghost. do a release right before trying to connect i ugess.
1511625;1469814231;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 14:33 trinque: hm odd, I've got something to fix in deedbot's ghost logic. apparently ghost doesn't work if the ghosted nick disconnects in between the connection and ghost.
1511626;1469814271;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511453 << pretty obviously, kickstarter-level spy is stuck now.
1511627;1469814271;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 14:36 asciilifeform: from the dept. of lulz: http://www.zeit.de/wissen/2016-07/turkish-academics-human-rights-ban-travel-recep-tayyip-erdogan
1511628;1469814299;asciilifeform;independent!1111 woman!111 in SCIENCE!!!!
1511629;1469814309;mircea_popescu;love how they present this "anyone has to assume they are being eavesdropped on" as some sort of bad thing. cuz you know, it's not mother-usa doing it.
1511630;1469814332;mircea_popescu;"protest for peace"
1511631;1469814335;asciilifeform;aha, only orcish eavesdropping, with clicks in the rotary phone, counts
1511632;1469814338;mircea_popescu;should have fucking beheaded the lot.
1511633;1469814346;asciilifeform;just like only orcish murder counts, and not michael hastings et al
1511634;1469814357;asciilifeform;and only orcish 'corruption' is corruption, and not lockheed. etc
1511635;1469814379;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511465 << this is a great idea.
1511636;1469814379;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 15:04 shinohai: I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again
1511637;1469814433;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511478 << yeah but you also get to see what all the shit is.
1511638;1469814433;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 15:18 mod6: <+shinohai> I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again << this /should/ fail.  because buildroot won't be able to pull all of its stuff down.
1511639;1469814722;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511478 << yeah but you also get to see what all the shit is. << yeah totally.
1511640;1469814722;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 15:18 mod6: <+shinohai> I know you're gonna hate me, but I'm gonna stuff it all in an iso and try a build later with no internetz again << this /should/ fail.  because buildroot won't be able to pull all of its stuff down.
1511641;1469814927;shinohai;Hey mircea_popescu doesn't think I'm *totally* crazy :D
1511642;1469815381;mircea_popescu;:p
1511643;1469815388;mircea_popescu;ima brb dusting off some gear.
1511644;1469815419;mircea_popescu;$up peter___
1511645;1469815419;deedbot;peter___ voiced for 30 minutes.
1511646;1469815493;peter___;thanks
1511647;1469817004;peter___;is this interview happening today?
1511648;1469817347;thestringpuller;interview?
1511649;1469818115;asciilifeform;wat
1511650;1469819161;asciilifeform;phf ^ ??
1511651;1469822942;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Mahmood Khadeer <mhkhadee@hotmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DD
1511652;1469822942;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'none <algemeenoptie2@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06C393B10
1511653;1469822942;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern.schroedel@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgke
1511654;1469822942;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Nick Ruston <alliancemicro@dodemall.redcheetah.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.
1511655;1469822942;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Bjoern Schroedel <bjoern@schroedel.cc>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/78
1511656;1469822942;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'john <john.k.pescador@hawaii.gov>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C2F16F6
1511657;1469822944;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 89884656743115795386465259539451236680898848947115328636715040578866337902750481566354238661203768010560056939935696678829394884407208311246423715319737062188883946712432742638151109800623047059726541476042502884419075341171231440736956555270413618581675255342293149119973622969239858152417678164812112069763 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Godless Prayer <godless.prayer@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C2
1511658;1469822982;asciilifeform;there ^ .
1511659;1469822997;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ^
1511660;1469823041;mircea_popescu;mm ?
1511661;1469823070;mircea_popescu;dun tell me log off again ?
1511662;1469823074;asciilifeform;ah i forgot that phf's rubbish log is down again
1511663;1469823077;asciilifeform;try Framedragger's
1511664;1469823083;mircea_popescu;link ?
1511665;1469823133;asciilifeform;http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today
1511666;1469823138;mircea_popescu;ty
1511667;1469823212;mircea_popescu;lol this one munges links.
1511668;1469823222;mircea_popescu;srsly, gpgkey/DD ? what's this, its titsize ?
1511669;1469823233;asciilifeform;that's trinque's thing
1511670;1469823241;asciilifeform;or possibly limit of irc blob
1511671;1469823263;asciilifeform;i have nfi why he doesn't simply transmit N blobs.
1511672;1469823271;mircea_popescu;ah there's that.
1511673;1469823286;asciilifeform;anyway they are all in same place as before,
1511674;1469823287;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDDE667282B355D21D9F0E3505442E332AB082F487BFFC440034D11D636FD6A7
1511675;1469823290;trinque;asciilifeform: nfi eh?
1511676;1469823293;trinque;haven't fucking gotten to it
1511677;1469823307;mircea_popescu;so what is ^ about this ?
1511678;1469823341;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that there is now a generic hopper that takes 'F may be a factor of M, if verifies, entered in db'
1511679;1469823348;asciilifeform;at some point in near future i will expose it publicly.
1511680;1469823355;mircea_popescu;ah! manual expansion added ? neat.
1511681;1469823358;asciilifeform;aha.
1511682;1469823372;asciilifeform;manual with verification that 1) M exists in key db and 2) F divides M.
1511683;1469823373;mircea_popescu;publicly going too far imo, not even sure it's for lordship.
1511684;1469823382;mircea_popescu;why exactly would someone pop a magic number in there ?
1511685;1469823388;asciilifeform;leaked privs ? dunno.
1511686;1469823395;mircea_popescu;let them push the keys then
1511687;1469823398;asciilifeform;do we want a public rape pit ?
1511688;1469823407;asciilifeform;it takes a few msec to test one of these.
1511689;1469823415;mircea_popescu;a msec is a msec.
1511690;1469823427;asciilifeform;about same number of cycles as a page load, mircea_popescu .
1511691;1469823439;asciilifeform;this is not really a dos vector.
1511692;1469823447;mircea_popescu;you're then stuck storing them...
1511693;1469823454;asciilifeform;we're storing keys anyway
1511694;1469823460;asciilifeform;any idiot could generate a TB of crud keys.
1511695;1469823465;asciilifeform;so long as they are rfc-tronic.
1511696;1469823467;asciilifeform;and put in.
1511697;1469823478;asciilifeform;(for some reason, nobody's bothered.)
1511698;1469823483;mircea_popescu;i dunno, your thing, your call. i dun see the benefit.
1511699;1469823490;asciilifeform;only correct answers are stored.
1511700;1469823505;asciilifeform;benefit is that anyone who, via whatever means, factors a mod, can pop it.
1511701;1469823516;asciilifeform;thus far it exists for my own convenience.
1511702;1469823552;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo consider qntra-fication for the Mahmood Khadeer find ?
1511703;1469823552;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511704;1469823811;trinque;+asciilifeform │ ah i forgot that phf's rubbish log is down again << I don't remember anyone in-wot signing any code for whatever shoddy IRC daemon freenode uses.
1511705;1469823842;trinque;thought somebody was working on a replacement for all that
1511706;1469823843;mircea_popescu;yeah about time for something like that hm ?
1511707;1469823859;asciilifeform;lel aha.
1511708;1469823882;asciilifeform;i must point out that kako's log somehow didn't spend good chunk of its time being down.
1511709;1469823890;asciilifeform;(i do not know how.)
1511710;1469823896;trinque;eh assbot was disconnected time to time as well
1511711;1469823902;asciilifeform;but reconnected.
1511712;1469823903;mircea_popescu;not lisp :D
1511713;1469823908;asciilifeform;lolsp
1511714;1469823978;trinque;I clearly recall him going to kick it time to time
1511715;1469824015;mircea_popescu;it was pretty stable. current situation is by comparison pretty scandalous. not perfect, sure, but perfecter.
1511716;1469824168;trinque;I've shared some code with phf, but can otherwise just feed him log data from deedbot if he ever wants
1511717;1469824191;trinque;all mine lacks at the moment is knowing to just switch to the nick if ghost fails
1511718;1469824219;trinque;shared a vpatch with him to look over the other day
1511719;1469824624;asciilifeform;incidentally, holy fuck,
1511720;1469824626;asciilifeform;0x4000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000483000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
1511721;1469824632;asciilifeform;0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000145b09.
1511722;1469824636;asciilifeform;^ today's maaaagic mod.
1511723;1469824644;asciilifeform;in hex.
1511724;1469824674;trinque;holy mask batman
1511725;1469824768;asciilifeform;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7FB82C851C5F7748 << the lul is quite visible, incidentally, to naked eye
1511726;1469824911;asciilifeform;none of the keyz (they are, note, independent, other than by containing this mod turd) seem to have valid selfsig.
1511727;1469825052;asciilifeform;but,
1511728;1469825086;asciilifeform;unlike earlier mutilated 'piltdown men', none seem to have extant earlier, uncorrupted versions of themselves:
1511729;1469825091;asciilifeform;e.g., http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=alliancemicro%40dodemall.redcheetah.com&fingerprint=on
1511730;1469825106;asciilifeform;^ only the magic key
1511731;1469825126;asciilifeform;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=mhkhadee%40hotmail.com&fingerprint=on << ditto.
1511732;1469825164;asciilifeform;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=john.k.pescador%40hawaii.gov&fingerprint=on << ditto.
1511733;1469825242;asciilifeform;actually
1511734;1469825243;asciilifeform;1 does,
1511735;1469825245;asciilifeform;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=bjoern.schroedel%40gmx.de&fingerprint=on << him.
1511736;1469825321;asciilifeform;^ BUT! his other keys is NOT the uncorrupted original of the one we see.
1511737;1469825325;asciilifeform;it is a wholly different key.
1511738;1469825405;asciilifeform;the diddled key has a distinct self-sig (my pgptron will not eat it, so i cannot easily evaluate where it may have come from)
1511739;1469825416;asciilifeform;and claims a time of Tue Jun 16 06:26:53 EDT 2015
1511740;1469825433;asciilifeform;original : Tue Jun 16 02:36:44 EDT 2015 .
1511741;1469825552;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/fe0a4476-e67d-445c-a3b6-cd6f84d2e2ed/?raw=true << dump outputs.
1511742;1469825973;asciilifeform;http://www.redmond-reporter.com/news/288757371.html << moar khadeer.
1511743;1469826016;asciilifeform;jan 15 2015: 'Mahmood Khadeer, the president and one of the founders of the Muslim Association of Puget Sound (MAPS) in Redmond, echoed this sentiment in a letter he sent out to the mosque’s community. In the letter, Khadeer — who said MAPS condemns the acts carried out by the terrorists last week — said some opponents of the prophet “insulted him, mistreated him, gathered filth at his door
1511744;1469826022;asciilifeform;and threw camel entrails at him,” while others “taunted him and pelted him with rocks until he bled.” And yet, Muhammad forgave them, Khadeer wrote.'
1511745;1469826082;asciilifeform;http://www.seattleglobalist.com/2016/07/06/muslim-association-puget-sound-greets-governor-eid/53426 << and again him.
1511746;1469826094;asciilifeform;too many of these pr turds to list. most quite ununteresting.
1511747;1469826097;asciilifeform;but fella does get around.
1511748;1469826105;asciilifeform;*uninteresting
1511749;1469827804;mircea_popescu;yeah pocket astroturf element.
1511750;1469828348;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thinking about it, dead drop for key factor would in fact produce a very cheap and effective leak method. someone finding themselves in possession of such data doesn't currently have a good way to dump it, gotta go through the greenwaldwall at best.
1511751;1469828376;mircea_popescu;but for this to work will have to be public rather than wot.
1511752;1469828392;mircea_popescu;anyway, i now see teh wisdom.
1511753;1469830233;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo or any other energetic fella , might be interested in writing to khadeer about 'his' pubkey ?
1511754;1469830291;mircea_popescu;maybe interview the guy about muslims etc ; drop it sideways mid interview.
1511755;1469830316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes, and it prolly will need the ability to eat straight privkeys - 'i found this here thumb drive, and it had...'
1511756;1469830344;mircea_popescu;an unpredicted direction but not obviously invalid.
1511757;1469830394;asciilifeform;i suspect that most 'finders' have nfi how to get p and q out, why not give a little helpin' hand.
1511758;1469830487;mircea_popescu;aha
1511759;1469834539;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo consider qntra-fication for the Mahmood Khadeer find ? << Maybe do a draft?
1511760;1469834612;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo or any other energetic fella , might be interested in writing to khadeer about 'his' pubkey ? << WHo wants this scoop?
1511761;1469834681;BingoBoingo;;;later tell peter___ Who is your daddy and what does he do. Also what interview?
1511762;1469834682;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511763;1469834721;mircea_popescu;$up smickles
1511764;1469834721;deedbot;smickles voiced for 30 minutes.
1511765;1469834727;mircea_popescu;you /pm deedbot $up
1511766;1469835061;mircea_popescu;that moment when you realise that the two funny looking horn items a foot apart embedded in bathroom wall are NOT actually towel hangers.
1511767;1469835131;shinohai;>.>
1511768;1469835301;mircea_popescu;EXACTLY right height for 1.79 girl to hold on for dear life on.
1511769;1469836167;BingoBoingo;brb
1511770;1469844069;phf;autoreconnecting log bot is coming this weekend, thanks in great part to trinque. i rewrote a bunch of stuff last weekend, need to test it and take live somtime in the next few days
1511771;1469844085;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffing-gossip-continues-exchanges-risk-insolvency/ << good point bb. derpy "tech leader" coinbase caught with pants down, now has no option but to pretend nothing happened. this has worked ever so splendidly in the past, too...
1511772;1469844090;mircea_popescu;phf cool.
1511773;1469844119;phf;i literally came back to a hotel from a beach drinking shit show, because i noticed logs are not updating :>
1511774;1469844151;mircea_popescu;ima start making "hexdump on your tits" flyers for you to spread out yo.
1511775;1469844182;phf;girls, girls, there's an important republic business i need to take care off
1511776;1469844205;*;phf off
1511777;1469844208;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo plox to check authorship of last submission
1511778;1469844209;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511779;1469844214;*;mircea_popescu writes in book "phf does cocaine off beach bunnies asscrack instead of attending to republic business."
1511780;1469844228;mircea_popescu;shinohai did he steal your article ?
1511781;1469844271;shinohai;Nah, I often catch him sleepy or somesuch and he merely mis-attributes
1511782;1469844328;*;mircea_popescu reaches for book again...
1511783;1469844387;shinohai;I bought 2 bottles of muscadine wine this evening. I have almost finished one and I'm flying so hard I don't even need to crack open 2nd.
1511784;1469844564;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo btw my porncomment got quarantined!
1511785;1469844683;mircea_popescu;shinohai https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4v9i95/sent_eth_but_20_hours_later_4900_block/ << incidentally, apparently coinbase just stealing all ether, either kind.
1511786;1469844842;shinohai;LOL mircea_popescu I just tweeted someone about that
1511787;1469844851;shinohai;#SFYL
1511788;1469844876;shinohai;We gotta follow fiat rules, but no big deal, reddit says it will drive adoption!
1511789;1469844956;mircea_popescu;heh
1511790;1469844989;mircea_popescu;so basically, "the business case for ethereum is just as good as for bitcoin" just got kicked a little in the teeth with a big fat "DO NOT USE CONTRACTS FOR ANY PURPOSES!!111".
1511791;1469844996;mircea_popescu;clearly this is good for the shitcoin.
1511792;1469845026;mircea_popescu;this is possibly the proxy war i most enjoyed in the history of proxy wars.
1511793;1469845085;shinohai;I have gotten more entertainment out of Ethereum than I have from anything in this space in a long time
1511794;1469845121;mircea_popescu;and in other "nothing happened" ivy league news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/d49a0eeebee0df1394a50d393a147c30/tumblr_my8xg474Xt1r2svjro1_400.gif
1511795;1469845139;mircea_popescu;shinohai by now it's getting close to bitdaytrade levels of powerlolz.
1511796;1469845192;mircea_popescu;brb.
1511797;1469846023;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> ;;later tell BingoBoingo plox to check authorship of last submission << ty fxd
1511798;1469846069;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo btw my porncomment got quarantined! << ty found. Note tumblr.com comment links usually go straight to the shredder.
1511799;1469846143;BingoBoingo;<shinohai> Nah, I often catch him sleepy or somesuch and he merely mis-attributes << twas case
1511800;1469846249;shinohai;No harm, no foul.
1511801;1469846489;shinohai;BingoBoingo: did you miss my other submission or is it pending?
1511802;1469846498;BingoBoingo;What sumbission?
1511803;1469846542;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-29#1511450
1511804;1469846542;a111;Logged on 2016-07-29 13:30 shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/18Dz
1511805;1469846563;BingoBoingo;ty
1511806;1469846582;shinohai;np. Coinbase PR may have ruined the lulziness some by now
1511807;1469846585;shinohai;xD
1511808;1469847104;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1511809;1469847106;gribble;Current Blocks: 422833 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 526 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 17 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1511810;1469847113;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1511811;1469847119;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 655.96, vol: 1226.17168275 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 646.287, vol: 3966.49672 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 657.1, vol: 8517.78705999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 656.696772, vol: 67512.57390000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 655.76, vol: 930.43749086 | Volume-weighted last average: 656.21437321
1511812;1469847218;deedbot;[Qntra] Brian Armstrong Still Has Hard On For Harkforks - http://qntra.net/2016/07/brian-armstrong-still-has-hard-on-for-harkforks/
1511813;1469847251;shinohai;Goddamnit BingoBoingo dat title
1511814;1469847311;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Titled that way because everyone knows Brian Armstrong allegedly can't make own hard on without pharmacological assistance. This way title stings when he reads.
1511815;1469847350;shinohai;toppest of keks
1511816;1469847399;shinohai;Let's hope I have enuf btc sitting around when I get sued for libel one day xD
1511817;1469847625;BingoBoingo;It can't be libel if you preface it with "allegedly"
1511818;1469847687;shinohai;:D
1511819;1469847759;shinohai;Of course he may have bigger legal fish to fry in near future, depending on the ire of customers.
1511820;1469848005;BingoBoingo;In the existential dread of an Ether terror fish fries you
1511821;1469849538;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/07/rbg-black-rebel-sanctioned-further-as-police-apparently-fear-mysterious-organization/ << Mega lulz I nearly missed
1511822;1469849708;deedbot;[Qntra] RBG Black Rebel Sanctioned Further As Police Apparently Fear Mysterious Organization - http://qntra.net/2016/07/rbg-black-rebel-sanctioned-further-as-police-apparently-fear-mysterious-organization/
1511823;1469850169;BingoBoingo;shinohai: sorry for accidently taking your smug https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4v870d/ethereum_hardfork_has_exposed_exchanges_to/d5wccxk
1511824;1469850822;BingoBoingo;http://i.imgur.com/xivy4To.png
1511825;1469852936;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4912
1511826;1469894462;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-30#1511798 << yeah makes sense, which is why i said something, save you the expedition later.
1511827;1469894462;a111;Logged on 2016-07-30 02:34 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo btw my porncomment got quarantined! << ty found. Note tumblr.com comment links usually go straight to the shredder.
1511828;1469894546;mircea_popescu;lol sa admits defeat ?
1511829;1469894588;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-30#1511824 << is that how you say the unspeakable now, "bitcoin maximalists" ?
1511830;1469894588;a111;Logged on 2016-07-30 03:53 BingoBoingo: http://i.imgur.com/xivy4To.png
1511831;1469899220;shinohai;In Argentine lulz for mircea_popescu, I present: http://archive.is/LZLld
1511832;1469899254;mircea_popescu;hay mucha insecuridad.
1511833;1469899349;shinohai;Asi es la cosa
1511834;1469902942;deedbot;[Trilema] The ideal Bitcoin wallet - http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/
1511835;1469904532;mircea_popescu;^ mod6 asciilifeform ben_vulpes phf Framedragger
1511836;1469904561;mircea_popescu;this thing is not only very important, but it has the tmsr-fitting advantage that it's a very high paygrade item mostly requiring individual study.
1511837;1469905647;shinohai;;;bc,stats
1511838;1469905649;gribble;Current Blocks: 422909 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 450 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 31 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1511839;1469905730;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-30#1511829 << No, that label also includes a number of flavors of derp.
1511840;1469905730;a111;Logged on 2016-07-30 16:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-30#1511824 << is that how you say the unspeakable now, "bitcoin maximalists" ?
1511841;1469905811;mircea_popescu;oic.
1511842;1469905835;BingoBoingo;Can't mention the unspeakable without burying it under mounds of dirt
1511843;1469905919;mircea_popescu;oya.
1511844;1469905975;BingoBoingo;Basically the potatos have the way the world works confused and think they are the farmers
1511845;1469910911;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/195X
1511846;1469910912;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511847;1469914239;mircea_popescu;$up Yallah
1511848;1469914239;deedbot;Yallah voiced for 30 minutes.
1511849;1469915680;shinohai;Yallah snackbar
1511850;1469915770;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1978
1511851;1469915771;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511852;1469918696;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.101.37.44 (ssh-rsa key from 201.101.37.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+201.101.37.44@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D3936BC56E8F7703F382A67BD36439486558C5E4A13919F1D522A6373EA83EBD
1511853;1469918726;mircea_popescu;lol
1511854;1469919800;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-30#1511852 << 817 lol
1511855;1469919800;a111;Logged on 2016-07-30 22:44 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 817 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '201.101.37.44 (ssh-rsa key from 201.101.37.44 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+201.101.37.44@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D3936BC56E8F7703F382A67BD36439486558C5E4A13919F1D522A6373EA83EBD
1511856;1469919818;asciilifeform;first fully-sad ssh key...
1511857;1469920126;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/#comment-118318
1511858;1469920127;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511859;1469921648;mircea_popescu;answer't.
1511860;1469925329;deedbot;[Qntra] Aspiring Bitcoin Trapstar Robbed At Knife Point - http://qntra.net/2016/07/aspiring-bitcoin-trapstar-robbed-at-knife-point/
1511861;1469925448;deedbot;[Qntra] Bleeding Coinbase Raises Fees - http://qntra.net/2016/07/bleeding-coinbase-raises-fees/
1511862;1469925645;mircea_popescu;bwahahaha
1511863;1469925681;shinohai;>.>
1511864;1469926559;BingoBoingo;Anyways re: Palmer's amaranth. Takes a lot of nutrients (attention) resists pesticides (jokes) and leaves us without a harvest (ongoing... anything) from the interaction
1511865;1469926591;BingoBoingo;;;later tell covertress It's been a while?
1511866;1469926591;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1511867;1469926919;deedbot;[Trilema] Eulora 0.1.2 - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-012/
1511868;1469927620;shinohai;$rate covertress 1 Prompt payment for server setup.
1511869;1469927622;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/05a0fd64-1e3b-408a-8d96-cd267ac3f12c/
1511870;1469927668;shinohai;$v 547B8F6529A8C691B4202D838FE54BF53A51968A1444F7582D0BD9DC9A5B5B15
1511871;1469927668;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of covertress from 1 to 1 << Prompt payment for server setup.
1511872;1469927736;BingoBoingo;Oh?
1511873;1469927775;shinohai;Even if I don't like the alt-eth, I still gotta make bank.
1511874;1469927812;mircea_popescu;lol, how's that going ?
1511875;1469927819;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot covertress
1511876;1469927819;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1511877;1469927830;mircea_popescu;you ever read about altcoin, nooblet ?
1511878;1469928378;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/SPvis
1511879;1469929070;mircea_popescu;in other prevention news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/3d237b57151931d031ca0cb61b65da3a/tumblr_nhqa9rjqV61rnqzmjo1_500.gif
1511880;1469929221;shinohai;I thought that was my bedroom for a second, I have that exact same stone wall.
1511881;1469929237;mircea_popescu;oh, i see, THATs the criteria :D
1511882;1469929303;mircea_popescu;and in other youthful enthusiasms, http://67.media.tumblr.com/1e9b97145a49cc4573f4bfe2d5f0d0c0/tumblr_nhco4w4xJG1r7a0ufo1_400.gif
1511883;1469931960;deedbot;[Qntra] Florida Catches Zika - http://qntra.net/2016/07/florida-catches-zika/
1511884;1469935267;BingoBoingo;$up Yallah
1511885;1469935267;deedbot;Yallah voiced for 30 minutes.
1511886;1469938922;deedbot;[Qntra] Qubes Hit By Xen Privilege Escalation - http://qntra.net/2016/07/qubes-hit-by-xen-privilege-escalation/
1511887;1469941134;BingoBoingo;http://exploreplasticsurgery.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/pubic-lift-monsplasty-indianapolis-dr-barry-eppley.jpg
1511888;1469941323;BingoBoingo;^ guess the gender?
1511889;1469942497;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: solid thinking. wallet dysfunctionality is part of what's driving my sql project.
1511890;1469942686;mircea_popescu;aha!
1511891;1469942914;ben_vulpes;every time i crack the cpp my will to load it into my head just drains away...
1511892;1469942944;ben_vulpes;plus hey there are interesting questions to be answered about the chain.
1511893;1469942947;mircea_popescu;possibly coolest bitcoin address yet : 1111111111111111111114oLvT2
1511894;1469942966;ben_vulpes;whoa is that real life?
1511895;1469942976;mircea_popescu;quite. a block's worth in there too.
1511896;1469942984;mircea_popescu;(compute its hash!)
1511897;1469943087;*;ben_vulpes busy with gentoo quest again
1511898;1469943101;ben_vulpes;must poluctantly decline
1511899;1469943122;ben_vulpes;there's a pollack joke in there i'm too otherwise occupied to dig out, too
1511900;1469943171;mircea_popescu;lol
1511901;1469965419;Framedragger;very nice short scifi story: http://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-long-chase/ (discovered via HN, but no matter)
1511902;1469965590;Framedragger;(gun look at logz later)
1511903;1469965645;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log 404's; i assume it's 'cause of the awaited rewrite deployment or somesuch :)
1511904;1469972686;shinohai;http://www.satoshibin.com/   <<< because gotta charge a few satoshi for a paste like a nigger
1511905;1469975631;thestringpuller;You can't use that word!
1511906;1469975638;thestringpuller;lol. what do i care.
1511907;1469975876;shinohai;Sure I can.
1511908;1469975905;thestringpuller;depends. I judge street credit based on who can use that work among a large group of negros.
1511909;1469975912;thestringpuller;without getting beat up.
1511910;1469976045;shinohai;I was thinking more along the lines of: http://trilema.com/2012/the-nigger-homeowners-and-other-niggers/
1511911;1469976423;thestringpuller;It lacks references the Egypt. ;)
1511912;1469976582;shinohai;>.<
1511913;1469979675;mircea_popescu;"i feel like a fart" "stinky ?" "no, inspired."
1511914;1469981361;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-31#1511897 << say moar?
1511915;1469981361;a111;Logged on 2016-07-31 05:31 ben_vulpes busy with gentoo quest again
1511916;1469981479;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-31#1511886 << run moar open sores 'seeekooority-focused' shitware!111
1511917;1469981479;a111;Logged on 2016-07-31 04:22 deedbot: [Qntra] Qubes Hit By Xen Privilege Escalation - http://qntra.net/2016/07/qubes-hit-by-xen-privilege-escalation/
1511918;1469982642;mircea_popescu;fiatola "security-oriented/minded/focused/blabla" === "varmint with cheese preference". all it does is it tells the exterminator what to bait the traps with.
1511919;1469984245;jurov;https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602025/how-vector-space-mathematics-reveals-the-hidden-sexism-in-language
1511920;1469984285;jurov;lol "she;he::whore:coward"
1511921;1469987957;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yesterdays lolz involved formatting the boot partition with reiserfs
1511922;1470000556;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1511923;1470000557;gribble;Current Blocks: 423073 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 286 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 1 second | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1511924;1470000561;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1511925;1470000567;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 631.68, vol: 4003.86038772 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 624.577, vol: 4766.91731 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 632.97, vol: 26297.5094752 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 632.0682, vol: 145034.92630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 631.0, vol: 1125.08647143 | Volume-weighted last average: 631.986805688
1511926;1470000575;mod6;%p trb 29
1511927;1470000577;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 29, Type: F, Subject: Redesign Wallet, Antecedents: 30, Notes: The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign.
1511928;1470000686;mod6;%e trb 29 F "Redesign Wallet" "The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign. http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/" 30
1511929;1470000707;mod6;%p trb 29
1511930;1470000709;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 29, Type: F, Subject: Redesign Wallet, Antecedents: 30, Notes: The original Reference Implementation wallet needs a redesign. http://trilema.com/2016/the-ideal-bitcoin-wallet/
1511931;1470000718;shinohai;\o/
1511932;1470000725;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/united-states-seeks-recover-more-1-billion-obtained-corruption-involving-malaysian-sovereign
1511933;1470000737;asciilifeform;'Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch announced today the filing of civil forfeiture complaints seeking the forfeiture and recovery of more than $1 billion in assets associated with an international conspiracy to launder funds misappropriated from a Malaysian sovereign wealth fund.  Today’s complaints represent the largest single action ever brought under the Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative.'
1511934;1470000759;mod6;i dunno what happened last time. i looked at the code, everything looked ok. i retested with the same code in a different channel... might have been a timing thing?  have to keep an eye on that one.
1511935;1470010672;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: pretty amusing.
1511936;1470010691;ben_vulpes;not even filing on behalf of anyone, just "your money touched US shores, so we're taking it because <reason>."
1511937;1470010777;ben_vulpes;"to forfeit the proceeds of foreign official corruption and, where appropriate, to use those recovered asset to benefit the people harmed by these acts of corruption and abuse of office" << oh teh doublesp34k
1511938;1470011068;ben_vulpes;lol and it looks like they want to confiscate proceeds from wolf of wall street
1511939;1470011403;ben_vulpes;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/426af74f-d278-4b41-8265-061659fb722b/?raw=true << ghetto transcript
1511940;1470011789;ben_vulpes;interestingly, veers off into a discussion of the open season on LEOs.
1511941;1470012117;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-31#1511929 << win.
1511942;1470012117;a111;Logged on 2016-07-31 21:31 mod6: %p trb 29
1511943;1470012168;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-31#1511933 << ie, usg stealing assets owned by malaysian govt ?
1511944;1470012168;a111;Logged on 2016-07-31 21:32 asciilifeform: 'Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch announced today the filing of civil forfeiture complaints seeking the forfeiture and recovery of more than $1 billion in assets associated with an international conspiracy to launder funds misappropriated from a Malaysian sovereign wealth fund.  Today’s complaints represent the largest single action ever brought under the Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative.'
1511945;1470012253;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
1511946;1470012253;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 00:19 ben_vulpes: "to forfeit the proceeds of foreign official corruption and, where appropriate, to use those recovered asset to benefit the people harmed by these acts of corruption and abuse of office" << oh teh doublesp34k
1511947;1470012411;mircea_popescu;making it rrrreally easy for china to take over there.
1511948;1470012764;mircea_popescu;in other ~lulz, http://trilema.com/2015/sooo-fetlife-is-butthurt/#comment-118337
1511949;1470012816;shinohai;#trilemaleaks xD
1511950;1470014268;asciilifeform;'Tricia L. Davis and James L. Huesmann, "Conversion to Automated Serials Control Systems: From the Drawing Board to the Front Lines” presented at North American Serials Interest Group, Inc. (NASIG) 6th Conference, June 14-17, 1991, Trinity University, San Antonio, Texas.' << lel
1511951;1470014324;asciilifeform;'Joe Accardi and James Huesmann, "Getting ANSI: Using ANSI.SYS to Customize Defaults for 350s", OCLC Micro, Vol. 6, Issue 1, pp 11-20 (1990)'
1511952;1470014329;*;asciilifeform falls down
1511953;1470014351;mircea_popescu;no wai.
1511954;1470014369;asciilifeform;fella's a career librarian.
1511955;1470014375;asciilifeform;(sorta like BingoBoingo narrowly avoided becoming ?)
1511956;1470014386;BingoBoingo;lol
1511957;1470014693;BingoBoingo;That would have been an awful fate
1511958;1470014871;deedbot;[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) July 2016 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/08/qntra-s-qntr-july-2016-report/
1511959;1470014923;shinohai;NO BingoBoingo I have ONE MORE ARTICLE to send
1511960;1470014925;shinohai;j/k
1511961;1470015021;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Still wouldn't have counted for July. Wordcount stops at 0:00 UCT
1511962;1470015045;*;shinohai checks clock, discovers it is later than he imagined.
1511963;1470015221;mircea_popescu;oh nm, this is the officious intermeddler beta.
1511964;1470015232;mircea_popescu;i was thinking of the head scammer for some reason.
1511965;1470015755;BingoBoingo;It's always the intermeddler beta who gets doxxed
1511966;1470015760;mircea_popescu;innit.
1511967;1470015777;mircea_popescu;btw jesus fuck what a stupid piece of shit ansi.sys wasd.
1511968;1470015884;BingoBoingo;Reasons I didn't seek brain eating cataloging jobs
1511969;1470015943;BingoBoingo;Olds at OCLC making things that should be easy hard, and taking the things that ARE hard and farting over them as though they don't exist.
1511970;1470016027;BingoBoingo;Buterin would be a great fit at OCLC if this MIT thing falls through
1511971;1470016039;mircea_popescu;how do you suppose everyone else ended up there.
1511972;1470016071;BingoBoingo;inertia
1511973;1470016080;mircea_popescu;quite.
1511974;1470016120;BingoBoingo;But how they stay there is insanity
1511975;1470016306;mircea_popescu;the two really aren't all that distinct.
1511976;1470016407;BingoBoingo;Nah, distinct but the overlap and the moo cows they inhere in creates room for confusion
1511977;1470016583;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/banthram/
1511978;1470016587;BingoBoingo;^ Related
1511979;1470017737;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511945 << usg sop, taiwan, korea, vietnam, ukrs, et al
1511980;1470017737;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
1511981;1470017799;mircea_popescu;korea possibly only example that worked.
1511982;1470017828;asciilifeform;only because the 'international komyooooniti' successfully nailed nk
1511983;1470017850;asciilifeform;(it was, for a generation, a massive heavy industrial exporter, quite profitably)
1511984;1470017855;BingoBoingo;Which only worked because Russia didn't have enough nukes yet to provide balance
1511985;1470017880;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, where was that imbecile/nobel laureate's quote
1511986;1470018033;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-11#1500956
1511987;1470018033;a111;Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
1511988;1470018063;mircea_popescu;the boer's country is now forked, the bailout chain being called zimbabwe and the classic chain being unknown anymore.
1511989;1470018082;asciilifeform;there was a spiffy mircea_popescutronic piece on rhodesia iirc.
1511990;1470018083;mircea_popescu;i can scarcely imagine how much it must burn teh lizards, that the shit stopped working.
1511991;1470018110;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/
1511992;1470018127;asciilifeform;^ it !
1511993;1470018127;mircea_popescu;apparently "unfair" cuts both ways. what's more, one of them is entirely ridoinculous.
1511994;1470018884;BingoBoingo;ASS https://archive.is/uKhRw
1511995;1470019350;asciilifeform;holy mother-of-fuck, why did i read this.
1511996;1470019454;mircea_popescu;$up dvsdude
1511997;1470019454;deedbot;dvsdude voiced for 30 minutes.
1511998;1470019558;dvsdude; so on bitcoin talk. MP is and I quot " He is one of the most feared men in bitcoin."   ....congrats I guess
1511999;1470019598;asciilifeform;odiant dum metuant (tm) (r) lel
1512000;1470019749;mircea_popescu;there's worse fates.
1512001;1470019766;dvsdude;this is true
1512002;1470020197;dvsdude;faber est suae quisque fortunae
1512003;1470021502;BingoBoingo;More fates with fates worse than https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4vgw8t/coinbase_raises_credit_card_fees_to_399_in/
1512004;1470021616;BingoBoingo;And https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CornIj7VMAAJBUh.jpg
1512005;1470025686;BingoBoingo;WAPO v. IDAHO https://archive.is/nnMiC
1512006;1470025818;mircea_popescu;"rape" as in... touching ?
1512007;1470027356;BingoBoingo;Who even knows anymore. I thought noo rape was refusing to sex a fat chick because that denies zher sexual agency.
1512008;1470027394;mircea_popescu;$s nurse
1512009;1470027395;a111;67 results for "nurse", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nurse
1512010;1470027945;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1512011;1470027947;gribble;Current Blocks: 423112 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 247 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 15 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1512012;1470036118;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://archive.is/R3to0
1512013;1470036154;mircea_popescu;epic example of the whole "oh, etherape you say ? i vaguely recall some things which therefore clearly don't matter and also it proves stupidity pays!"
1512014;1470036169;mircea_popescu;tough job, being pinoy.
1512015;1470036648;ben_vulpes;utterly fucking hilarious to me that buterin hosed his own thing to fix poorly implemented scripts by others
1512016;1470036694;ben_vulpes;but the notion of a "fits in head" ethereum contract boggles the mind, so.
1512017;1470036695;mircea_popescu;"his".
1512018;1470036705;mircea_popescu;buterin's a "digital newspaper" gofer.
1512019;1470036713;ben_vulpes;i know i met the guy one time
1512020;1470036722;mircea_popescu;he lacks the capacity of ownership much like goat lacks the capacity to sing.
1512021;1470036725;ben_vulpes;yes yes
1512022;1470036745;ben_vulpes;"buterin" and "his" are readily stand ins for "lizards" and "theirs"
1512023;1470036745;mircea_popescu;he just did what was told. inexplicably things happened.
1512024;1470036757;mircea_popescu;yes but the divorce explains the phenomenon.
1512025;1470036772;ben_vulpes;pardon?
1512026;1470036774;mircea_popescu;lizards imagine themselves better than bitcoin. the tim swanson error.
1512027;1470036781;mircea_popescu;gofers just wanna do what told.
1512028;1470036801;mircea_popescu;the intermingling of these results in a billion dollars in cash misplaced in middle east and a hundred million misplaced online.
1512029;1470036809;ben_vulpes;eh, what "buterin".
1512030;1470036813;ben_vulpes;figurehead is stand in.
1512031;1470036818;ben_vulpes;someone's getting impaled.
1512032;1470036866;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511945 << my mircea_partizan simulator worx!
1512033;1470036866;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
1512034;1470036874;mircea_popescu;or if you prefer, take vietnam war, amply studied (in english, i mean) application of the stupidity. grunts that just wanna get out alive and brass that has "political considerations" results in a resounding military defeat.
1512035;1470036898;mircea_popescu;take baltimore lulz last year, for something palpably close. same exact mechanism.
1512036;1470036928;ben_vulpes;dude the past week has raised my shits given about ethereum from zero to like a half
1512037;1470036946;ben_vulpes;usg does cryptocurrency,  gets hosed, news at whenever
1512038;1470036956;mircea_popescu;well the problem of http://i.imgur.com/xivy4To.png has ~nothing to do with ethereum per se.
1512039;1470036973;ben_vulpes;ahaha
1512040;1470037016;mircea_popescu;but irl it happens because on that bike, there isn't ONE person riding. there's two : a bodybuilder with no head pedalling and the brainbox+spinal column of a cubical drone with no flesh.
1512041;1470037025;mircea_popescu;working together, they manage the spoke-in-wheel trick all the time.
1512042;1470037406;ben_vulpes;WELL
1512043;1470037417;ben_vulpes;this machine is not log for the living.
1512044;1470037423;ben_vulpes;long, even.
1512045;1470037510;ben_vulpes;anyways this malaysian thing is hilarious and interesting on several other axes as well: 1) the malaysian government is nowhere mentioned in the pr-wank 2) if one accepts the usg narrative, gs is an obvious stooge of *someone* in the play due to not doing dd adequate to determine that bond monies were going to an organization with inadequate controls to keep the money from draining immediately into the
1512046;1470037513;ben_vulpes;pockets of everyone on staff 3) gosh this could be over 2000 words
1512047;1470037527;mircea_popescu;on the other hand, the "crypto-contract", fit in head or not, is just an avatar of lazy thinking, much like any amulet. ignorant nonsense and no more.
1512048;1470037550;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes qntra piece ?
1512049;1470037582;ben_vulpes;i) "sovereign wealth fund" issues bonds since the usg performed some kind of backflip and the phrase meant something other than "giant pile of cash sucked out of the earth"
1512050;1470037725;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: there's no piece yet even
1512051;1470037765;mircea_popescu;anyway, they prolly bought swag, crack and bitcoin for the whole sum already. as per the ancient "borrow all you can, trade the shiatola for proper currency, disappear."
1512052;1470037778;ben_vulpes;but the thought of running the org2blog export process for 120 seconds every time i want to tweak something
1512053;1470037780;mircea_popescu;fiat is pretty much a scam token by now anyway.
1512054;1470037784;ben_vulpes;kills my will to write
1512055;1470037797;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes try mp-wp for srs.
1512056;1470037805;ben_vulpes;see: gentoo quest
1512057;1470037816;ben_vulpes;all i have in life is my dependency graph
1512058;1470037844;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: so does that thing work?
1512059;1470037854;mircea_popescu;yes.
1512060;1470037872;ben_vulpes;last i recall you said something to shinohai about scripts or documentation?
1512061;1470037876;mircea_popescu;it's being rewritten etc, but as it is it does work.
1512062;1470037891;ben_vulpes;well not yours, but the thing shared around lo these weeks ago
1512063;1470037902;mircea_popescu;that's be mine neh ?
1512064;1470037920;mircea_popescu;anyway, phf stood it up in ten minutes, which i'd expect to be typical, with the occasional alfexception.
1512065;1470037935;ben_vulpes;choice lulz
1512066;1470037941;ben_vulpes;choice choice lulz
1512067;1470038213;ben_vulpes;anyways i have several mega housekeeping chores in between here and trying mp-wp for myself.
1512068;1470038252;ben_vulpes;(also did anyone notice that the malaysian project is being performed under the civil forfeiture statutes?!)
1512069;1470038260;mircea_popescu;not like it's going anywhere. however, the important point is that absence of tools actually limits your life in a very drastic manner.
1512070;1470038282;ben_vulpes;and shitty tools moreso!
1512071;1470038292;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1512072;1470038299;ben_vulpes;dude i'm repouring a foundation over here.
1512073;1470038312;mircea_popescu;but the thing is - if you had it, you couild write your piecve, add value to your life.history and therefore future. if you don't have it - you can't.
1512074;1470038327;ben_vulpes;what can't, draft is right here on me hdd.
1512075;1470038335;mircea_popescu;after 3 years of not having it, what you saved was still the one time cost of having it ; but what you lost is the incremental cost of all the things you didn't get to have
1512076;1470038348;mircea_popescu;in this sense tool investment exposes one to a sort of reverse-interest.
1512077;1470038376;mircea_popescu;but as a heuristic, "things which will have to be done anyway are best done right now."
1512078;1470038390;ben_vulpes;the prefuckingcise reason i am not making the investment in mp-wp at this moment is because i am paying a debt on the virtualization tool choise.
1512079;1470038392;ben_vulpes;choice*
1512080;1470038403;mircea_popescu;heh
1512081;1470038416;mircea_popescu;funnay how that works
1512082;1470038420;mircea_popescu;as you say, choice, choice lulz :D
1512083;1470038521;ben_vulpes;the interest doesn't sting quite as badly when you've a plan and wait for the right moment.
1512084;1470038528;mircea_popescu;tru
1512085;1470038540;ben_vulpes;plan being a kind of principal here.
1512086;1470038555;mircea_popescu;cash is safer than plans, though, in that context (which is a very sensible context i might add).
1512087;1470038575;ben_vulpes;sure!
1512088;1470038606;ben_vulpes;and with an unprovisioned server slowly grinding towards utility i am /already ridiculously safer/ than running virtualized.
1512089;1470038625;mircea_popescu;i never quite understood the appeal of "virtualiation".
1512090;1470038676;mircea_popescu;very strange to me that the same people who fiercely resist employee not showing up for office hours cheerily embrace ... fucking office furniture not showing up.
1512091;1470038698;ben_vulpes;i had no idea what i'd bought at the time.
1512092;1470038701;mircea_popescu;what puritan idiocy is this whereby things may be trusted with human attributes because... what, they reliably won't engage in sins of the flesh ?
1512093;1470038751;mircea_popescu;"if i let bill work remotely he might who knows, fuck his wife! whereas this amd is safe, it'll just sit there."
1512094;1470038754;mircea_popescu;nuts, these people.
1512095;1470038793;ben_vulpes;i just gotta piss on every fence in case one of 'ems electrified
1512096;1470038819;mircea_popescu;(the interested reader is invited to follow my steps through lowell and teh greater merrimack river valley, to dig through the history of 1800s "industrial" culture, ie, large nunneries filled with girlies presented a whole new sort of religion.
1512097;1470038865;mircea_popescu;did you for instance know that they mostly died of tuberculosis, which they mostly acquired through the "kiss of death", which was the procedure whereby they'd load the thread in the machine needle kissing it ? "went faster", not to mention female masochism.)
1512098;1470038927;mircea_popescu;sadly at the time i didn't have a blog, nor truth be told any interest in "the world" generally speaking. so the notes will forever sit.
1512099;1470043361;mircea_popescu;and in other news : oj simpson may or may not have killed his nonconsensually slutty wife and some schmuck named ronald. that schmuck's family did in fact win a civil award of 33.5 mn. of the sum owed, they collected a few hundred k's, which consist entirely of... the royalties from a ghostwritten book. "if i did it: confessions of the killer".
1512100;1470043421;mircea_popescu;put another way : a) the mecca of "topical fiction" bullshit yields less money than it costs to buy a house, don't bother ; us tort law and practice is the lulz of all time.
1512101;1470052061;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/19Fd
1512102;1470052062;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1512103;1470059514;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu p == q of http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DDDE667282B355D21D9F0E3505442E332AB082F487BFFC440034D11D636FD6A7 , and, (via jurov's eagle eye) - == NextPrime[2^1023], which corresponds to keygen on machine with a null-outputting rng!
1512104;1470059515;gribble;Error: "2^1023" is not a valid command.
1512105;1470059539;asciilifeform;lel
1512106;1470059670;shinohai;lolz
1512107;1470059734;asciilifeform;the implication is a mighty obvious one, and the thing will be done.
1512108;1470059810;asciilifeform;incidentally, i wish that bitbet were alive, so that we could take bets prior to the mega-revelation of how many keys pop when i test for q == NextPrime[p]
1512109;1470059817;asciilifeform;(how this is tested, is exercise for the reader.)
1512110;1470060332;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes qntra piece ? << pls ben_vulpes
1512111;1470061454;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wow
1512112;1470061511;mircea_popescu;and yeah, i wish it were around too, but i guess we can't have everything.
1512113;1470061530;mircea_popescu;not like someone couldn't MAKE one, for that matter. fine way to learn about governance i say.
1512114;1470061533;mircea_popescu;$up drowngodx
1512115;1470061534;deedbot;drowngodx voiced for 30 minutes.
1512116;1470061537;mircea_popescu;$up meuh
1512117;1470061537;deedbot;meuh voiced for 30 minutes.
1512118;1470061541;mircea_popescu;$up webbyz
1512119;1470061541;deedbot;webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.
1512120;1470062933;shinohai;BingoBoingo your knowledge of crap pop culture amazes me xD
1512121;1470062954;BingoBoingo;it gets stuck
1512122;1470062974;shinohai;Nah that sly edit was very clever, I like it.
1512123;1470062982;BingoBoingo;Why do you think I drank? I was trying to clean the crap pop culture out.
1512124;1470062993;shinohai;lo
1512125;1470063006;BingoBoingo;At least I didn't resort to trying to use ether on it.
1512126;1470063061;shinohai;afaik there is no 12-step program for Ether huffers, unless they come here for treatment.
1512127;1470063184;deedbot;[Qntra] Hackers Catch "Pokemon Go" Creator's Twitter And Quora Accounts - http://qntra.net/2016/08/hackers-catch-pokemon-go-creators-twitter-and-quora-accounts/
1512128;1470063547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: test result: substitution of 511, 512, 1024, 2047, 2048, 3071, 3072, 4095, 4096, 8191, 8192 --- for the 1023 - yields no further divisors...
1512129;1470063581;asciilifeform;(suprisingly, imho.)
1512130;1470063583;asciilifeform;*surprisingly
1512131;1470063626;mircea_popescu;quite..../
1512132;1470063736;asciilifeform;(trial division of whole db, and not on dulap, but on my creaky old donkey locally, takes, incidentally, around 5 sec.)
1512133;1470064118;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512078 << wat was this ?
1512134;1470064118;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 07:59 ben_vulpes: the prefuckingcise reason i am not making the investment in mp-wp at this moment is because i am paying a debt on the virtualization tool choise.
1512135;1470064119;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1512136;1470064145;asciilifeform;why is ben_vulpes hosting blog on vm ? or did i misread.
1512137;1470064196;trinque;moving off vm
1512138;1470064201;asciilifeform;ah, off.
1512139;1470064209;asciilifeform;(why it was on??)
1512140;1470064845;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512064 << reminder: mircea_popescu released a thing which worx, but only if you 1) add theme, which is not included, and 2) is not compatible with standard wp themez, gotta hand-tweak half a dozen knobs.
1512141;1470064845;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 07:52 mircea_popescu: anyway, phf stood it up in ten minutes, which i'd expect to be typical, with the occasional alfexception.
1512142;1470064883;mircea_popescu;yeah. once you're done doing that you're done though.
1512143;1470064923;mircea_popescu;course iirc phf released a patch version including basic theme and pre-tweaked most knobs.
1512144;1470064931;asciilifeform;basic theme is shit-ugly.
1512145;1470064945;mircea_popescu;yes well standardization and beauty don't mix.
1512146;1470065073;shinohai;It worked out of the box for me, literally took 10 minutes
1512147;1470065850;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re 'kiss of death' -- https://books.google.com/books?id=2vRGAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA354&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U3bow-IqmujsnPkhueVCFkXoU3stw&ci=512%2C491%2C441%2C850&edge=0 ( j. of the amer. med. assoc., vol. 56, is. 1 )
1512148;1470065891;mircea_popescu;exact quote!
1512149;1470065897;mircea_popescu;how did you fish this out ?
1512150;1470065911;asciilifeform;ordinary google search thing
1512151;1470065928;mircea_popescu;nb.
1512152;1470065942;asciilifeform;;;google tuberculosis kiss of death
1512153;1470065943;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1512154;1470065945;asciilifeform;hm.
1512155;1470065948;asciilifeform;$google tuberculosis kiss of death
1512156;1470065951;mircea_popescu;eh that never worked.
1512157;1470065954;deedbot;https://www.bnl.gov/newsroom/news.php?a=11173 << BNL Newsroom | Key Difference in How TB Bacteria Degrade ... | https://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/pamphlets/tb_disease_en_rev.pdf << Get the Facts About TB | https://blog.pkids.org/category/tb/ << TB | PKIDs Blog
1512158;1470065965;asciilifeform;yeah, not it.
1512159;1470066458;asciilifeform;the 'kiss of death' shuttle is a helpful reminder that socialisms etc do not come from malevolent martians, no.
1512160;1470066496;mircea_popescu;they come from women.
1512161;1470066503;mircea_popescu;as pestilence generally does.
1512162;1470066603;asciilifeform;women herded themselves into plague pits, or wat.
1512163;1470066656;asciilifeform;i dun recall anyone having ~asked~ the mill gurlz whether they wanted the job.
1512164;1470066657;mircea_popescu;nah, it's a no fault situation.
1512165;1470066672;mircea_popescu;it's not like the mold WANTS to grow in your bathroom.
1512166;1470066717;mircea_popescu;if it's wet, it molds, and that's all there is to it.
1512167;1470066773;mircea_popescu;(note that whatever you ask you get no less socialism. if someone asked the gurlz if they wanted the job, they'd have said no, they'd prefer to dick around on smartphones, upvoting each other on social media. net result - still tb.)
1512168;1470067101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0lwut, tb over ip ?
1512169;1470067133;mircea_popescu;fucking consumption.
1512170;1470067161;mircea_popescu;EXACT same symptoms. frailty of mind and spirit, a certain antisanguine fleshyness, weakness, palor, you name it
1512171;1470067184;mircea_popescu;the victorian ideal of the phtysic beauty is pretty much === the "feminist" ideal of cosmo & co.
1512172;1470067198;mircea_popescu;"delicate" and whatnot.
1512173;1470067238;asciilifeform;speaking of the shuttle cocks, when i was a young apprentice at a usg lab, mandatory safety lectures still reminded chemists to refrain from mouth-pipetting...
1512174;1470067325;thestringpuller;why does https exist again? oh consumer has come to expect.
1512175;1470067363;mircea_popescu;ftr, about 2.5 of the world's 7.5bn are infected with tb.
1512176;1470067374;asciilifeform;antibody != infected
1512177;1470067381;mircea_popescu;latent tb stll is tb.
1512178;1470067394;asciilifeform;no moar than latent herpes == herpes
1512179;1470067400;mircea_popescu;which it is.
1512180;1470067411;mircea_popescu;as long as the pathogen is included in the organism, the situation is called "infection"
1512181;1470067421;asciilifeform;by that token we all are 'infected' with those weird fungi aids victims get devoured by.
1512182;1470067428;mircea_popescu;and so we are.
1512183;1470067505;mircea_popescu;did you get bcg as a kid btw ?
1512184;1470067577;asciilifeform;pretty sure i did
1512185;1470067583;mircea_popescu;the usians no longer get it
1512186;1470067588;asciilifeform;weird
1512187;1470067605;asciilifeform;then again, what ~do~ they still get
1512188;1470067607;mircea_popescu;gotta pump them full of useless crap that doesn't work, instead.
1512189;1470067617;asciilifeform;iirc they dun even get smallpox vax, except if enlisting in the army
1512190;1470067635;mircea_popescu;"not worth it". an assessment i find difficult to dispute.
1512191;1470067656;phf;ha
1512192;1470067697;thestringpuller;Oh my god. i have to pass the certificate requests through the load balancer separately?
1512193;1470067711;thestringpuller;Seriously who came up with this bullshit. https is such a scam
1512194;1470067760;mircea_popescu;so redirect it to http and be done with it.
1512195;1470067800;thestringpuller;i don't dictate my own actions in the uranium mines
1512196;1470067813;thestringpuller;VMware brought to you by...slaves!
1512197;1470068607;shinohai;https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/759995925410385920   <<< ok, coinbase isn't insolvent, Brian Armstrong says so.
1512198;1470069094;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1512199;1470069100;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 620.98, vol: 4213.22663079 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 619.981, vol: 5739.36302 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 621.55, vol: 27276.04885588 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 621.40547, vol: 203605.32530000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 617.82, vol: 2363.86037428 | Volume-weighted last average: 621.345841608
1512200;1470069483;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1512201;1470069485;gribble;Current Blocks: 423183 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 176 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1512202;1470069706;mircea_popescu;prolly should have bought some f.derp just to be sure.
1512203;1470069935;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512202   <<< bwahahahaha
1512204;1470069935;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 16:41 mircea_popescu: prolly should have bought some f.derp just to be sure.
1512205;1470069987;mircea_popescu;what the fuck is "multisig" got to do with controlling own private keys.
1512206;1470070005;mircea_popescu;anyway, the matter should be chased shinohai ; a good time as any to put a fucking end to that miserable cancer.
1512207;1470070021;mircea_popescu;curious if the usg is going to actually gather in support of it or just let it go away./
1512208;1470070060;mircea_popescu;fucking dickhead brian armstrong. literally, i'd rather look at a picture of an animated penis.
1512209;1470070072;mircea_popescu;the sooner he joins the rankls of the roger vers, the better.
1512210;1470070123;shinohai;multisig is shit. coinbase still can do anything it wants with your coins
1512211;1470070141;mircea_popescu;they got 50-50 chances of going under. write it up.
1512212;1470070159;shinohai;As for the insolvency rumors, I guess cryptographic proof is just too hard.
1512213;1470070167;mircea_popescu;teh public has a right to knoe.
1512214;1470070220;*;shinohai prepares a Qntra
1512215;1470070758;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc 'coinbase' is presently ~the~ tame usg exchange in usa, and is unlikely to be simply 'let go away' until replacement is ready.
1512216;1470070782;asciilifeform;(which is, likely, hastily in the works as we speak)
1512217;1470070977;mircea_popescu;we see.
1512218;1470071003;mircea_popescu;boys wanna play in the adult pool, better keep up.
1512219;1470071124;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the sooner he joins the rankls of the roger vers, the better. << And the doctor foreskins
1512220;1470071855;mircea_popescu;yeah, that crowd.
1512221;1470072327;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/19Kv
1512222;1470072328;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1512223;1470072542;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/0uQc1
1512224;1470072554;BingoBoingo;^ Related to latest Qntra
1512225;1470072729;thestringpuller;                       go away' until replacement is ready.
1512226;1470072734;thestringpuller;fucking macs
1512227;1470072756;deedbot;[Qntra] Campus Intolerance: Uttering "All Lives Matter" On Social Media Gets Student Sanctioned - http://qntra.net/2016/08/campus-intolerance-uttering-all-lives-matter-on-social-media-gets-student-sanctioned/
1512228;1470072802;trinque;thestringpuller: I too like to reply "go away" in the ticket system
1512229;1470072981;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/08/campus-intolerance-uttering-all-lives-matter-on-social-media-gets-student-sanctioned/#comment-65797
1512230;1470073240;mircea_popescu;is it him or her in the end ?!
1512231;1470073282;mircea_popescu;o wait, different nonpersons
1512232;1470073292;mircea_popescu;boy these are getting hard to tell apart.
1512233;1470073338;trinque;asciilifeform: lol
1512234;1470073376;mircea_popescu;well houston is not technically part of texas
1512235;1470073387;mircea_popescu;much like miami is the true capital of argentina.
1512236;1470073428;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: http://qntra.net/2016/08/campus-intolerance-uttering-all-lives-matter-on-social-media-gets-student-sanctioned/#comment-65798
1512237;1470073432;mircea_popescu;(i'm not even kidding. these fucktards actually admire miami, which is the first time i ever heard anyone say anything like that. moreover the influence is visible in society, architecture, economics etc.)
1512238;1470073481;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well Miami looks good in Movies. Otherwise not so much.
1512239;1470073533;mircea_popescu;what, miami vice ?
1512240;1470073562;trinque;university of houston is in the ghetto
1512241;1470073593;trinque;"third ward"
1512242;1470073659;shinohai;I always found it hilarious that Dexter, which supposedly took place in Miami, was actually filmed in California.
1512243;1470073690;mircea_popescu;along most other shit supposedly taking place in places.
1512244;1470073710;mircea_popescu;also in the news, haagen dasz is made in new jersey.
1512245;1470073743;asciilifeform;speaking of which, asciilifeform finally has icecream-making gear
1512246;1470073763;asciilifeform;outputs arkakao-grade product..
1512247;1470073769;asciilifeform;(nearly)
1512248;1470073771;mircea_popescu;o hey~
1512249;1470073805;asciilifeform;this appears to be the ~only way to get edible icecream in usa
1512250;1470073827;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Miama Vice and a bunch of other police dramas and films
1512251;1470073842;BingoBoingo;$google "Bad Boys 2"
1512252;1470073848;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Boys_II << Bad Boys II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0172156/ << Bad Boys II (2003) - IMDb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APhw7rju-Co << Bad Boys 2 Reggie - YouTube
1512253;1470073851;mircea_popescu;speaking of : frusen gladje was a competitor in the 80s. kraft said it sold it to unilever in the 90s ; unilever said it didn't. the brand ... dissapeared.
1512254;1470073869;mircea_popescu;well known / documented case of brand fallen through the cracks, for all the branding enthusiasts out there.
1512255;1470073875;asciilifeform;and speaking of defective american tech, i have here an ipnoje that is about to... frag
1512256;1470073877;asciilifeform;i shit thee not
1512257;1470073883;asciilifeform;bulging under gas pressure
1512258;1470073887;mircea_popescu;o.O
1512259;1470073895;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Takes pictures write qntra?
1512260;1470073906;asciilifeform;eh boring, snoreworthy well-documented thing apparently
1512261;1470073919;asciilifeform;short bridge in li ion cell.
1512262;1470073921;trinque;they're trying to take you out alf!
1512263;1470073926;BingoBoingo;NO, targeted assasination attempt on a Lord of TMSR
1512264;1470073945;asciilifeform;well this happens to all cells of this chemistry
1512265;1470073953;asciilifeform;but is extra-lulzy in a device where the thing is sealed inside
1512266;1470073969;asciilifeform;and there is no way for it to bulge through the aluminum bottom, so it bows, instead, the glass
1512267;1470073993;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes has, i imagine, seen this
1512268;1470074015;asciilifeform;i'ma trepane the thing tonight...
1512269;1470074048;ben_vulpes;i've not been so blessed.
1512270;1470074053;ben_vulpes;seen it on laptops, though.
1512271;1470074064;mircea_popescu;do not mouth pipette alf!
1512272;1470074065;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i had a crapple lappy burst with gas
1512273;1470074075;asciilifeform;it was awe-inspiring
1512274;1470074090;ben_vulpes;goodness.
1512275;1470074114;asciilifeform;out of warranty, naturally
1512276;1470074119;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512133 << bringing up hw, shaving yaks.
1512277;1470074119;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 15:08 asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512078 << wat was this ?
1512278;1470074121;asciilifeform;but, interestingly, vendor fixed it for a nominal fee.
1512279;1470074146;asciilifeform;('fixed' being, replacement of whole chassis, keyboard, touchpad, batteries)
1512280;1470074167;deedbot;[Qntra] Coinbase And Reddit Work To Hide Blood From Users - http://qntra.net/2016/08/coinbase-and-reddit-work-to-hide-blood-from-users/
1512281;1470074437;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ate my ocmment ?
1512282;1470074492;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Found
1512283;1470074874;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes et al: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pnoje_pop.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/pnoje_pop_moar.jpg
1512284;1470074963;ben_vulpes;gracious
1512285;1470075013;trinque;https://www.punkt.ch/en/products/mp01-mobile-phone/ << I've been thinking about getting this dumbphone, dropping my iTurd
1512286;1470075028;trinque;which seems to never be able to act as an actual phone
1512287;1470075044;asciilifeform;holy SHIT that thing is expensive for a shitphone
1512288;1470075070;asciilifeform;and i will point out that '2g' is being phased out in the industrialized world.
1512289;1470075102;asciilifeform;chinese sell standard gsm pnoje, ~creditcard-sized, for <20usd.
1512290;1470075155;trinque;eh, yeah, probably right about 2g headed for dustbin
1512291;1470075161;asciilifeform;'punkt' is a quite appropriate name for this idiocy.
1512292;1470075163;trinque;I haven't found a single dumbphone that looks solid
1512293;1470075184;asciilifeform;trinque: no such thing as solid. but, next best, small and inexpensive.
1512294;1470075195;asciilifeform;;;google credit card phone
1512295;1470075196;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1512296;1470075198;asciilifeform;hm
1512297;1470075203;asciilifeform;there are a bunch of vendors.
1512298;1470075208;trinque;I've seen them; they're garbage
1512299;1470075221;asciilifeform;how so ?
1512300;1470075272;*;trinque finds
1512301;1470075287;trinque;ones I've seen look like they'll break the first time they're sat upon
1512302;1470075306;trinque;I don't care if I spend a couple hundred on something that can be dropped and on which I can actually make a phonecall
1512303;1470075379;asciilifeform;lulzily, the iturd is the only phone that reliably works here in the house (because it supports telephony over tcp, transparently, instead of being stuck with tower, ~all of which are far away / weak)
1512304;1470075412;trinque;asciilifeform: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61WcU%2BYf74L._SL1000_.jpg << chinese as hell. shitty screen, bad buttons, hates the human hand
1512305;1470075423;asciilifeform;all of these devices are 'chinese as hell'
1512306;1470075434;asciilifeform;i've never seen a mobile pnoje which wasn't.
1512307;1470075446;trinque;that mp01 isn't
1512308;1470075452;asciilifeform;(with possible exception of ancient analogue motorola from 1980s, in junk store)
1512309;1470075458;asciilifeform;trinque: sure as fuck it is.
1512310;1470075459;ben_vulpes;bad cell service is a feature.
1512311;1470075460;asciilifeform;plastic ? qed.
1512312;1470075466;ben_vulpes;nobody needs to call anyone else.
1512313;1470075471;trinque;I don't want heavy metal in my pocket
1512314;1470075548;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes talks to heathens via smoke signal or wat.
1512315;1470075605;trinque;wifi calling works like shit
1512316;1470075612;trinque;at least on tmobile; I use it daily
1512317;1470075616;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512203 << what is the deal with quoting the previous line?? This is also a live chatroom ya know! Perhaps asciilifeform can comment as he does the same
1512318;1470075616;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 16:45 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512202   <<< bwahahahaha
1512319;1470075620;asciilifeform;trinque: i use same, it worx...
1512320;1470075628;trinque;and daily it drops calls or suffers misc glitches where one end can't hear the other
1512321;1470075652;asciilifeform;trinque: this may be artifact from being on the edge of your 802.11 ap zone
1512322;1470075666;asciilifeform;trinque: do you get same effects when standing next to the antenna ?
1512323;1470075683;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i do it so i can use phf's auto cross-reference.
1512324;1470075711;asciilifeform;imho it is a worthy thing
1512325;1470075723;asciilifeform;and makes logz work in the future - smoother.
1512326;1470075724;trinque;asciilifeform: I work about 15ft from AP line-of-sight
1512327;1470075760;asciilifeform;trinque: i have nfi, for all i know your house is under a microwave death ray from across the street, or the like.
1512328;1470075764;trinque;this particular phone has other problems; sometimes will get stuck on "edge", airplane mode on/off brings 4g back
1512329;1470075773;danielpbarron;i don't see the value in referencing the conversation from within itself..
1512330;1470075801;asciilifeform;trinque: the frequent transitions is a sad carrier thing, afaik
1512331;1470075920;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512250 << scarface!
1512332;1470075920;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 17:50 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Miama Vice and a bunch of other police dramas and films
1512333;1470077139;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/index.php?t=137
1512334;1470077227;deedbot;[Qntra] Black Lives Matter Releases Segregationist Demands - http://qntra.net/2016/08/black-lives-matter-releases-segregationist-demands/
1512335;1470078514;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512301 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-12#1502116 seriously.
1512336;1470078514;a111;Logged on 2016-07-12 17:48 mircea_popescu: uh no. samsung e1200
1512337;1470078514;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 18:14 trinque: ones I've seen look like they'll break the first time they're sat upon
1512338;1470078519;mircea_popescu;i drove over the thing, worked fine.
1512339;1470078597;mircea_popescu;~20 bux as the esteemed attendance pointed out.
1512340;1470078605;trinque;nice
1512341;1470078642;asciilifeform;'while supplies last' (tm) (r)
1512342;1470078667;mircea_popescu;battery lasts ~hour/gram. so if you buy a bag ~same as carrying a wall socket with you
1512343;1470078681;asciilifeform;also it looks like it uses heathen charger ?!
1512344;1470078682;asciilifeform;ick!
1512345;1470078689;asciilifeform;FUCK carrying bricks
1512346;1470078693;mircea_popescu;what is a heathen charger ?
1512347;1470078696;asciilifeform;non-usb
1512348;1470078704;mircea_popescu;doh lol. what usb.
1512349;1470078705;asciilifeform;proprietary brick
1512350;1470078712;mircea_popescu;nah its a standard thing
1512351;1470078719;asciilifeform;what standard ?
1512352;1470078723;asciilifeform;name the iso ?
1512353;1470078731;mircea_popescu;the < > usb
1512354;1470078750;mircea_popescu;w/e it's called.
1512355;1470078842;mircea_popescu;anyway the cable convertor is like 5 bux
1512356;1470078956;phf;there is nothing wrong with your television set. do not attempt to adjust the picture. you are about to experience the awe and mystery of asciilifeform's ever shifting constraints space!
1512357;1470078967;asciilifeform;lol wat shifting
1512358;1470078976;asciilifeform;sanity dun shift.
1512359;1470079162;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512329 << he has a point ; day-referenced should be good enough, who needs minute-reference.
1512360;1470079162;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 18:22 danielpbarron: i don't see the value in referencing the conversation from within itself..
1512361;1470079215;trinque;http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_e1200_pusha-4919.php << lovely list of "no"
1512362;1470079222;trinque;ty mp
1512363;1470079259;shinohai;I thought a little context might be nice, to know what I was bwahahaha'ing at but whatevs.
1512364;1470079311;phf;i have similar phone, somewhere in logs, and last time i checked amazon a few months ago it was going for $200-$800, while same model a year ago cost $30
1512365;1470079345;mircea_popescu;65g phone. beat that.
1512366;1470079435;trinque;bought the samsung for 8 bucks on ebay used
1512367;1470079471;mircea_popescu;buy like... 20.
1512368;1470079476;phf;just don't carry it past a sniffer dog
1512369;1470079476;mircea_popescu;keep throwing them in the river.
1512370;1470079482;mircea_popescu;lol
1512371;1470079594;asciilifeform;65g counting the brick ?
1512372;1470079661;mircea_popescu;you missed the 5 dollar cable discussion ?
1512373;1470079691;asciilifeform;hm
1512374;1470079695;asciilifeform;cable comes with the thing ?
1512375;1470079748;mircea_popescu;nah.
1512376;1470079752;asciilifeform;btw we dun have bbet but does anyone want to unofficially bet how many fermat bangs in 3518444 moduli ?
1512377;1470079762;mircea_popescu;3.
1512378;1470079762;asciilifeform;(at least 1, per the mahmud thread)
1512379;1470079766;asciilifeform;noted.
1512380;1470079771;asciilifeform;gentlemen?
1512381;1470079778;asciilifeform;takin' 'bets'
1512382;1470079826;asciilifeform;(answer in < 1hr)
1512383;1470079849;trinque;heh, got another for 7bux
1512384;1470079861;asciilifeform;http://facthacks.cr.yp.to/fermat.html << bernstein's quick likbez on subj
1512385;1470079869;asciilifeform;^ for n00bz ^
1512386;1470080828;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 126044733741731328742413066718552314382419228167112456334027928884317367999330241024168451126326383475145520025295451544372438227070210798265767098934250820341305937931860061514790268968891523470454082874208728274680634763462042122485524526243688604432591998753006364684812749745538152702859571396997177876337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '<>&%"\${}`'deadbeef1; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/617706D7A6FC1817D01
1512387;1470080828;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 126044733741731328742413066718552314382419228167112456334027928884317367999330241024168451126326383475145520025295451544372438227070210798265767098934250820341305937931860061514790268968891523470454082874208728274680634763462042122485524526243688604432591998753006364684812749745538152702859571396997177876337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '<>&%"\'deadbeef1; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/926423AB036A88ACD7FAC81
1512388;1470080828;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 126044733741731328742413066718552314382419228167112456334027928884317367999330241024168451126326383475145520025295451544372438227070210798265767098934250820341305937931860061514790268968891523470454082874208728274680634763462042122485524526243688604432591998753006364684812749745538152702859571396997177876337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'UserID 3 ; [<div id="1"><form id="test"></form><button form="test" formaction="jav
1512389;1470080829;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 126044733741731328742413066718552314382419228167112456334027928884317367999330241024168451126326383475145520025295451544372438227070210798265767098934250820341305937931860061514790268968891523470454082874208728274680634763462042122485524526243688604432591998753006364684812749745538152702859571396997177876337 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C92A5089A3C18AE3FA8FE3BA1633FED8CD85A0
1512390;1470080891;asciilifeform;oh for fuckssake.
1512391;1470081027;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/614469D3EF6BF58C797FFD118727304F76F2C921CF1C3419CBF99AFAF8E7A225 << mega-l0l
1512392;1470081082;asciilifeform;^ who wants to take a stab at this gem ^
1512393;1470081086;phf;oh that's beautiful
1512394;1470081086;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^ ? phf ?
1512395;1470081150;trinque;fucks sake what alf; you want me to somehow increase the length of IRC lines?
1512396;1470081171;trinque;I'm not writing code to intelligently split lines based on whatever you decide to put in there
1512397;1470081227;asciilifeform;nonono
1512398;1470081230;asciilifeform;trinque: read the link.
1512399;1470081273;trinque;ahaha is that xss?!
1512400;1470081277;mircea_popescu;s
1512401;1470081280;mircea_popescu;so wait, i win ?
1512402;1470081291;asciilifeform;https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/blob/master/Fuzzing/JHADDIX_HTML5sec_Injections.txt << possibly from this.
1512403;1470081307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the total unique count (fermat with 10,000 iterations / modulus) is 2.
1512404;1470081321;mircea_popescu;rounded to the closest 3 it's 3!
1512405;1470081323;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu wins, and nobody else played.
1512406;1470081336;*;asciilifeform was expecting a great deal moar.
1512407;1470081417;mircea_popescu;aaaand what is &ADz&AGn&AG0&AEf&ACA&AHM&AHI&AGO&AD0&AGn&ACA&AG8Abg&AGUAcgByAG8AcgA9AGEAbABlAHIAdAAoADEAKQ&ACAAPABi// prithee ?
1512408;1470081471;asciilifeform;https://github.com/client9/libinjection/blob/master/data/xss-html5secorg.txt .
1512409;1470081509;mircea_popescu;for... firefox 3 ?!
1512410;1470081512;asciilifeform;pretty lame pwntron, but points for effortz.
1512411;1470081587;asciilifeform;;;google 0xF791040E3E7D27D1
1512412;1470081587;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1512413;1470081593;asciilifeform;eh.
1512414;1470081635;asciilifeform;doesn't appear to be an sks key.
1512415;1470081643;asciilifeform;likely, crafted for us.
1512416;1470081667;trinque;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/dd4421c7-6b6e-478e-9baf-77a54f00f1e0/?raw=true << mega-wat
1512417;1470081672;asciilifeform;and the sheer monkey-assumption-sandwitch baked into this !!
1512418;1470081714;asciilifeform;1) 'of course s.nsa uses some private wwwtronic thing to view results!1111' 2) 'of course it evals embedded crapola if we ask it!' etc.
1512419;1470081764;asciilifeform;why it was necessary to put this in a strictly fermat-breakable artificial key, vs. some simple case of gcd or 8ball, i do not know - write to hitler and ask him, not me.
1512420;1470081767;ben_vulpes;eh i was lunchin
1512421;1470081834;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand...
1512422;1470081835;asciilifeform;...
1512423;1470081839;phf;mircea_popescu: a lot of xss detection "solutions" rely on grepping for known bad input, like "script" or whatever. and there are ways to sidestep that, like '<scr' + 'ipt>' or a='ipt>';'<scr'+a. in this case whoever is fucking with detection by using this truly wtf feature i've never heard of, <meta charset="a">b</meta> that apparently parses b according to charset a rules
1512424;1470081839;asciilifeform;SURPRIZSE! http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e88f3371-0bf6-4e9e-9d7c-01c9d460b076
1512425;1470081846;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes ^ yer gizmo EATS IT
1512426;1470081942;*;asciilifeform falls down.
1512427;1470081983;ben_vulpes;holy fuk
1512428;1470081990;ben_vulpes;what am i looking at
1512429;1470082000;phf;asciilifeform: pretty boring, since it's just "eating" whatever random tags are in that soup, bullet needs a special gun to fire, and wotpaste not it
1512430;1470082009;asciilifeform;phf: it fires in 'chrome'
1512431;1470082021;trinque;it fires, but looks like it is missing some guts
1512432;1470082046;BingoBoingo;More Houston lulz https://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2016/07/a-newer-low-in-america-houston-police.html
1512433;1470082057;trinque;ben_vulpes: gotta either escape html or better, do away with html paste page in favor of raw-only
1512434;1470082061;phf;asciilifeform: define "fires". it just picks up whatever random <script>...<script> matches inside
1512435;1470082075;asciilifeform;well, pops some popupz
1512436;1470082085;asciilifeform;but i have nfi what the intended eater was.
1512437;1470082109;trinque;trying to jam some script into a background worker
1512438;1470082374;asciilifeform;soooooo we have a half-baked attack against l0gz readers etc.
1512439;1470082453;phf;there's nothing to support above statement
1512440;1470082467;asciilifeform;phf: let's have alternative hypothesis ?
1512441;1470082512;asciilifeform;ancient xss 0day ended up reencoded as pgp key userid field by cosmic rays, and submitted to phuctor also by cosmic rays ?
1512442;1470082520;asciilifeform;(it is not in sks.)
1512443;1470082524;BingoBoingo;Has "reputation for breaking into homes" http://www.bnd.com/news/nation-world/national/article92932292.html#wgt=trending
1512444;1470082594;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d430c1b1-9f52-4c88-9bda-d177e220bd64/
1512445;1470082787;BingoBoingo;ty pete_dushenski
1512446;1470082800;BingoBoingo;brb, siesta
1512447;1470082839;phf;asciilifeform: it's an attack against a pgp key consumer with a specially broken viewer. userid in this case tries very hard to account for specific set of circumstances (i'm seeing 4 vectors so far), and we're only matching for one, specifically fact that ben_vulpes doesn't sanitize his html.
1512448;1470082878;asciilifeform;phf: i was reasoning from the fact that this pubkey does not appear to exist anywhere, publicly, other than phuctor.
1512449;1470082906;phf;one bug requires a special broken version of mozilla for example, where x-imap4-modified-utf7 is exposed as a possible meta charset encoding
1512450;1470082922;asciilifeform;phf: where is the payload though ?
1512451;1470082925;phf;( https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=710693 )
1512452;1470082937;asciilifeform;all i see is the dropper
1512453;1470083063;phf;i suspect it's an external url in either of those two pieces of obfuscated content, that base64 chunk or the x-imap4-modified-utf7 pieces
1512454;1470083094;asciilifeform;they both show in public collections of old 0days, so prolly not
1512455;1470083098;mircea_popescu;lol ben_vulpes made a lisp.
1512456;1470083169;deedbot;[Qntra] Tree Nuts Liberated In California - http://qntra.net/2016/08/tree-nuts-liberated-in-california/
1512457;1470083248;mircea_popescu;likely explanation low effort trolling.
1512458;1470083256;asciilifeform;looks like.
1512459;1470083262;asciilifeform;but why generate such gnarly modulus.
1512460;1470083320;asciilifeform;i suspect that it was, precisely as mircea_popescu describes, low-effort - ~key gen~. which is to say, it was not meant, necessarily, to pop
1512461;1470083353;asciilifeform;but was genned scriptologically, and author cut corners, and made q = nextprime(p)
1512462;1470083462;asciilifeform;modulus, note, happened 5 times, someone was testing whatever.
1512463;1470083791;jurov;trinque, just get yourself an n900
1512464;1470083890;asciilifeform;jurov: thread was about 'dumb' phones..
1512465;1470083912;jurov;it is dumb. no pokemons.
1512466;1470083921;jurov;just plain debian :D
1512467;1470083927;asciilifeform;lel
1512468;1470083931;trinque;asciilifeform: phf: data:;base64,cG9zdE1lc3NhZ2UoJ2FsZXJ0KDEpJyk  -->  postMessage('alert(1)')
1512469;1470083938;trinque;no URL there
1512470;1470083944;trinque;this thing is retarded
1512471;1470083945;asciilifeform;'dumb' as i understand, traditionally means battery life measured in ~weeks~
1512472;1470083948;trinque;^
1512473;1470083960;asciilifeform;trinque: it is, as far as i can tell, a paste of a stock metasploit thing.
1512474;1470083964;asciilifeform;was a test.
1512475;1470084262;trinque;god, nsa has the same copypasta problems as any large american software firm!
1512476;1470084340;asciilifeform;prolly just some lamer.
1512477;1470085076;phf;trinque: it's truncated from the original, so i agree with asciilifeform or mircea_popescu it's either a very very lame hacking "attempt" or a troll
1512478;1470085617;phf;"iPad-only is the new desktop Linux ios medium.com"
1512479;1470085683;mircea_popescu;by now most of the cattle has been pushed out of the actual computing market through simple attrition - they can;t afford $500 for a computer, nor understand why it'd be useful, and the "smart" p[honme was free with their plan.
1512480;1470085688;asciilifeform;phf: wat?
1512481;1470085692;mircea_popescu;so they're stuck dicking around on capacitive displays
1512482;1470085741;mircea_popescu;if the trend of "smart phones for stupid people" continues a few years, banning mobiles from one's site will become a very respectable heuristic to ensure quality discussion.
1512483;1470085763;phf;asciilifeform: it's the weekly selection of article titles that are so dumb, there's no point in reading any further. content of article is literal elaboration of the title
1512484;1470085773;asciilifeform;gotta love how ios 'almost worx' in 1,001 ways. for instance, you can get a ~functional irc client. BUT it will disconnect after backgrounded for ~30 sec. NO EXCEPTIONS.
1512485;1470085802;mircea_popescu;iirc apple still hasn't figured out the wonder of multitasking.
1512486;1470085806;mircea_popescu;1990s not come yet .
1512487;1470085807;asciilifeform;i dug in, and turned up, iirc, that this is DELIBERATE
1512488;1470085818;asciilifeform;'to prevent apps from eating the battery'
1512489;1470085828;mircea_popescu;how exactly could irc client without kbd be "almost work" ?
1512490;1470085845;asciilifeform;on turdroid this cripplement is absent, but things go in opposite direction, battery is eaten by 1,001 mandatory background crapolade
1512491;1470085856;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: thing takes an external kbd
1512492;1470085869;phf;asciilifeform is secretly vary proficient with ios keyboard
1512493;1470085877;mircea_popescu;does your vibrating bullet also take external tracks + periscope ?
1512494;1470085881;asciilifeform;(and has a primitive on-screen thing, ok for short text)
1512495;1470085892;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it would if it could!1111
1512496;1470085894;mircea_popescu;you're crayzee.
1512497;1470085897;ben_vulpes;gboard mitigates the horrendity.
1512498;1470085903;hanbot;mircea_popescu is faking user agent beyond the ken of "stupid people"? moreover, there'll just be a mobile app for "not being mobile", what's this banning gonna achieve.
1512499;1470085909;asciilifeform;dafuq is gboard ben_vulpes
1512500;1470085920;ben_vulpes;keyboard google wrote for ios.
1512501;1470085923;mircea_popescu;dude keeps derping about his ancient vintage quality kbd, then goes and fucks around on ipad "no feedback" glass jar.
1512502;1470085936;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: does "swipe" input
1512503;1470085940;mircea_popescu;one day all the various dissonances will resolve spontaneously inside alf and the result will be audible
1512504;1470085940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i've tested 1,001 devices
1512505;1470085941;mircea_popescu;from saturn
1512506;1470085951;ben_vulpes;copes halfway decently with my wot's argot.
1512507;1470085967;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if somebody sold a morse code arse muscle clenching-powered entry thing, i might test even that.
1512508;1470085972;mircea_popescu;"i tested 1001 devices, i don't know what gboard is"
1512509;1470085993;mircea_popescu;even I know what it is. enough to despise it.
1512510;1470085998;asciilifeform;it isn't a device!111111
1512511;1470086013;phf;asciilifeform eigenstate results in a complete annihilation of known universe
1512512;1470086014;ben_vulpes;i will not tap at screens anymore.
1512513;1470086015;mircea_popescu;neither is any item so far discussed! they're all vices.
1512514;1470086030;mircea_popescu;time to de-vice yo.
1512515;1470086032;mircea_popescu;sinners.
1512516;1470086038;mircea_popescu;the lord is mightly angry.
1512517;1470086067;asciilifeform;i can tell that mircea_popescu never answered mailz with one finger, of one hand, hanging from a rail, from a moving train, over 8kbaud modem...
1512518;1470086084;mircea_popescu;these days i answer most emails with my penis.
1512519;1470086089;asciilifeform;similar!
1512520;1470086214;phf;i couldn't find keyboard with big enough keys
1512521;1470086237;asciilifeform;phf: try those things they make for the arm-less, to press with nose
1512522;1470086245;asciilifeform;i suspect they are penile-compatible!
1512523;1470086591;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512482 << recall when there was briefly a fashion for banning obvious microshit victims from one's site ?
1512524;1470086591;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 21:09 mircea_popescu: if the trend of "smart phones for stupid people" continues a few years, banning mobiles from one's site will become a very respectable heuristic to ensure quality discussion.
1512525;1470086600;asciilifeform;(whatever happened to that ?)
1512526;1470087170;ben_vulpes;ie9 is alive and well among the shoe-purchasing, web-surfing population
1512527;1470087176;mircea_popescu;phf you don't answer with single button press anyway
1512528;1470087222;asciilifeform;ahahahaha mircea_popescu 'killed' boeck, so guess who gets to be the new boeck, https://www.wired.com/2016/07/meet-moxie-marlinspike-anarchist-bringing-encryption-us
1512529;1470087232;asciilifeform;$s marlinspike
1512530;1470087233;a111;12 results for "marlinspike", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=marlinspike
1512531;1470087255;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure this one is from before.
1512532;1470087273;asciilifeform;7/31/16
1512533;1470087282;asciilifeform;but yes, he was a 'hot spare.'
1512534;1470087295;asciilifeform;quite possibly since '90s.
1512535;1470087467;asciilifeform;WHY are these jokers always so similar!?1
1512536;1470087471;phf;i like how marlinspike's whisper is the secure alternative to telegram. every time i mention telegram in any tech venue there's always some clown going "use whisper instead telegram is insecure!!!", because in their heads whisper, running on a fully locked down platform, obviously is
1512537;1470087972;mircea_popescu;kids.
1512538;1470087990;mircea_popescu;"ferari better than maserati because 350 vs 320 written on odometer"
1512539;1470088093;asciilifeform;relatedly, i was looking recently at a house and landlord had petrol tank, disembodied, from airplane, and part of a wing
1512540;1470088102;asciilifeform;just lyin' there
1512541;1470088135;phf;asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4ZSR0pfg5Y
1512542;1470088146;mircea_popescu;in other news, apparently every chick in poland is named wiktoria
1512543;1470088156;mircea_popescu;da fuck dark irony is this, when's the last time the polish won anything.
1512544;1470088243;asciilifeform;prolly in 'ogniem i mieczem'..
1512545;1470089839;pete_dushenski;http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-lonely-ballad-of-the-mobile-lounge << in other phork news, the mobile airport lounges that never quite (ahem) took off.
1512546;1470089896;pete_dushenski;"I was actually happy to see the Hit King get defensive. I kind of felt I was accepted. I heard that about five years ago Pete Rose did an interview, and he said that he wished that I could break that record. Obviously, this time around it was a different vibe. In the 16 years that I have been here, what I’ve noticed is that in America, when people feel like a person is below them, not just in numbers b
1512547;1470089896;pete_dushenski;ut in general, they will kind of talk you up. But then when you get up to the same level or maybe even higher, they get in attack mode; they are maybe not as supportive. I kind of felt that this time."
1512548;1470089927;pete_dushenski;http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ichiro-finds-a-clever-way-to-put-pete-rose-in-his-place-190845491.html << or how one japanese mlb all-star sees usian klass kultur
1512549;1470089969;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512538 << more like written on price tag but same diff really
1512550;1470089969;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 21:46 mircea_popescu: "ferari better than maserati because 350 vs 320 written on odometer"
1512551;1470090135;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512272 << heh no wonder you try 10000001 devices, you put them through gulags and then wonder why they shrivel and die (not that this isn't an excellent darwinian weeding out test)
1512552;1470090135;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 17:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i had a crapple lappy burst with gas
1512553;1470090246;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512263 << still a few years away from this
1512554;1470090246;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 17:52 BingoBoingo: NO, targeted assasination attempt on a Lord of TMSR
1512555;1470090285;phf;i had that happen to me too by the way, it's my day to day 2011 macbook pro, and even the chassis got bent. all i had to do is order replacement battery and carefully apply a rubber mallet. good luck doing that on recent apple machine(tm)
1512556;1470090407;pete_dushenski;yea, newer mba requires whole laptop back case to be removed to replace battery. probably macbook pro too but i dun really keep up to date anymore
1512557;1470090429;pete_dushenski;the trend away from user meddling is pretty clear though
1512558;1470090485;pete_dushenski;for obvious reasons too. only terrorists (tm) swap parts, customise equipment.
1512559;1470090492;phf;ipad is the new linux on desktop!
1512560;1470090526;pete_dushenski;lol so it seems.
1512561;1470090592;pete_dushenski;https://vimeo.com/101336844 << dunno why anyone would worry about thai succession. crown prince looks like a pimp. wife topless at dinner, 80's pop beats, good times.
1512562;1470090664;pete_dushenski;in other exquisitely refined contravex comments : "I find it fascinating that an otherwise intelligent person is unable to see the huge value of Facebook"
1512563;1470090766;pete_dushenski;isn't it incredibru how well-to-do smart people can still hold stupid opinions even within their own areas of expertise! but haooo!!!!
1512564;1470090944;pete_dushenski;in other lulz, there was article in local paper over the weekend about "bicycling paradise in the paris of the south : buenos aires"
1512565;1470090969;pete_dushenski;no surprise to #trilema readers that no economy = no cars = plenty of room for cyclists
1512566;1470091026;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: You just don't see yours coming because the headline will look like http://www.bnd.com/latest-news/article93018537.html#storylink=latest_side
1512567;1470091042;pete_dushenski;there's no online link to the article that i could find, but one or two of the gems were "[some area] has been revitalising since 1980" and "the markets are incredibly diverse and sell everything from car parts to old records"
1512568;1470091054;pete_dushenski;bitch, what the fuck are used car parts doing in your mercados ?!
1512569;1470091142;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: second cop probably drove biker off road. "had accident" after fleeing scene with first copper.
1512570;1470091202;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Still no justification for "a few years away" assertion
1512571;1470091232;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: i also don't see mine coming because... not lord atm.
1512572;1470091296;BingoBoingo;What does the moment matter in threat modeling?
1512573;1470091306;pete_dushenski;who cares about blogger ?
1512574;1470091336;BingoBoingo;But blogger who aspires to FENDER FLAGS!!!
1512575;1470091388;pete_dushenski;maybe in putin's russia, where stasi are organised, blogger can 'have accidental gas asplosion in apartment', but canada is about as militant as a sack of wet bean sprouts.
1512576;1470091461;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: blogger also aspires to harim and castle and and andandnanananndand what of it. dreams are phree for a reason.
1512577;1470091475;BingoBoingo;Canada not militant? Have you seen the crew cuts on Toronto's womyn?
1512578;1470091486;BingoBoingo;And dreams are not phree
1512579;1470091720;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: those t.o. gurls just wanna hang wif drake. they're wannabe groupies, which is suppose is a type of militantness all its own.
1512580;1470091729;pete_dushenski;*i suppose
1512581;1470092191;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Sometimes being militant just means putting on a show. It however does not help your case that your new Prime Minister is just a metrosexual mockery of Putin who wants to return CADSOC to its glory days
1512582;1470092261;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512484 << I suspect you already do this: there's a decent ssh client you can get for iPhone and I use it to log into a simple little machine at home that runs irssi 24/7 inside of screen
1512583;1470092261;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 21:09 asciilifeform: gotta love how ios 'almost worx' in 1,001 ways. for instance, you can get a ~functional irc client. BUT it will disconnect after backgrounded for ~30 sec. NO EXCEPTIONS.
1512584;1470092335;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: um.. how does it not help my case ? living 'under' a metrosexual mockery of something useful is the definition of helping my case. what's trudeau gonna do, whip out yoga pose on me ?
1512585;1470092357;pete_dushenski;https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/canada/2016/04/02/trudeau-yoga-pose-stories-pose-their-own-threat-teitel/trudeau-yoga.jpg << reference.
1512586;1470092383;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: Maybe he'll promise to slip some femayo a bit of dick if she kamikazes Saddam
1512587;1470092481;pete_dushenski;femayos only kamikaze in slow-motion, often over the course of several decades, so i'll have plenty of time to move saddam around the corner and out of her fat way.
1512588;1470092574;*;pete_dushenski wonders who will play jtrudeau in inevitable biopic in 10 years. figures dwaynerock will still be pretty bankable then.
1512589;1470092833;BingoBoingo;It'll prolly be beiber.
1512590;1470093070;*;pete_dushenski to chase pokebeibs.
1512591;1470093152;mod6;SoBA due out tonight, usually it's already out, sorry for the delay.
1512592;1470093215;*;BingoBoingo was wondering why Qntra was FIRST by such a margin this month
1512593;1470093372;deedbot;[Qntra] Gawker Media's Nick Denton Personally Files For Bankruptcy - http://qntra.net/2016/08/gawker-medias-nick-denton-personally-files-for-bankruptcy/
1512594;1470093388;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
1512595;1470093390;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 610.75, Best ask: 610.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 610.75, 24 hour volume: 34597.90350973, 24 hour low: 605.89, 24 hour high: 630.28, 24 hour vwap: None
1512596;1470093394;BingoBoingo;^related https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224745.0;all
1512597;1470093582;BingoBoingo;archived snapshot of defunct mpex.ws domain for posteriority https://archive.is/Q2GOH
1512598;1470094272;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Coz02hQUEAA1gRf.jpg
1512599;1470094356;BingoBoingo;Sheeeit
1512600;1470094795;BingoBoingo;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GFM2udKcts
1512601;1470095081;asciilifeform;shinohai: source ?
1512602;1470095104;asciilifeform;is it motherfucking reddit ?!
1512603;1470095242;shinohai;no, twitter
1512604;1470095292;shinohai;https://twitter.com/jonathansampson/status/760251660299964416
1512605;1470095331;shinohai;"Son was playing pokemon go ....."
1512606;1470095336;shinohai;This explains all.
1512607;1470096291;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: That sort of phone ransom thing is not unheard of. Emerging lulz.
1512608;1470096416;trinque;iOS jailbreak has been a thing since forever, yet somehow that doesn't translate into "swiss cheese exploitable crapware"
1512609;1470096420;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-August/000229.html
1512610;1470096874;asciilifeform;trinque: recent years' jailbreak need, iirc, a cable connection.
1512611;1470096901;asciilifeform;so recipe needs to include a trojanned box.
1512612;1470096925;trinque;ah, thought I recalled a few that went right through the web browser
1512613;1470096931;asciilifeform;originally
1512614;1470096953;asciilifeform;the other thing is, pnoje is ~always backed up to 'cloud' etc., ~and~ has vendor reset mode that lets you reformat.
1512615;1470096961;asciilifeform;so i have nfi what kind of imbecile would pay the ransom.
1512616;1470097383;BingoBoingo;Turns out fats run /r/fatlogic https://archive.is/ei0LS
1512617;1470097483;BingoBoingo;"Then use a gender neutral pronoun, it's not that hard." << BUT "it" is the gender neutral pronoun!
1512618;1470097488;asciilifeform;in other pnoje lulz, http://www.pps.ru/?part=catalog&product=232 << 'acoustic safe'
1512619;1470097494;asciilifeform;apparently this is a thing.
1512620;1470097590;mod6;diana_coman: congrats on eulora release!
1512621;1470098122;asciilifeform;http://www.pps.ru/?part=catalog&product=248 << their nonlinear junction detector catalogue appears to include one that goes up arse..
1512622;1470098725;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/cash.png << moar lulz.
1512623;1470099170;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaaaaand,
1512624;1470099171;asciilifeform;dun miss:
1512625;1470099172;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/pub/einsatzgruppen_jewdetector.png
1512626;1470099596;BingoBoingo;lol they're going to find pete!
1512627;1470099629;asciilifeform;Run Moar Consumer Biometric Gadgets, Especially Cloud-Uploading Retina Scannerz.
1512628;1470099638;asciilifeform;(coming soon!1111)
1512629;1470100756;BingoBoingo;Continued from yesterday https://archive.is/GnWWZ
1512630;1470101020;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/einsatzgruppen_jewdetector.png <<< 3rd Party Device SDKs!!!!1111eleven
1512631;1470103522;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu fermat with 100,000 iter. / mod. (3518444 mods) ran to completion. found still just the 2.
1512632;1470103522;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1512633;1470103593;asciilifeform;total runtime ~5 hrs., 16 cpu.
1512634;1470104834;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512600 << bush girls would get party belligerent at smith point from time to time, main difference was that between bouncers and secret service, there's no way anybody was filming anything and still retained possession of device
1512635;1470104834;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 23:39 BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GFM2udKcts
1512636;1470104870;BingoBoingo;Of course
1512637;1470104978;phf;i guess goes to mircea_popescu's often repeated points about a difference between king and bureaucrat
1512638;1470109138;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/ThriftStoreHauls/comments/4vk73v/american_history_at_goodwill499_a_gift_from_the/ << in other Hastert
1512639;1470109210;*;phf "please don't be a grotesquely large woman"
1512640;1470109320;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2016/08/black-lives-matter-releases-segregationist-demands/#comment-65822
1512641;1470109334;BingoBoingo;phf: Not a grotesquely large woman
1512642;1470109905;thestringpuller;texas has da best educatio
1512643;1470109910;thestringpuller;wut u talkin bout
1512644;1470110127;BingoBoingo;Nope, whitey ruined University of Houston
1512645;1470110452;BingoBoingo;WHitey just has to fuck everything up
1512646;1470110844;thestringpuller;except david bowie white people didn't ruin that
1512647;1470111386;BingoBoingo;Yeah they did. When is his next concert?
1512648;1470112523;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512554 << dey tried to gas our own! lolocausts.
1512649;1470112523;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 22:24 a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 17:52 BingoBoingo: NO, targeted assasination attempt on a Lord of TMSR
1512650;1470112569;BingoBoingo;I mean cellphone accidents are how the Israeli's get a lot of their cadavers
1512651;1470113155;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1512652;1470113160;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 598.53, vol: 6351.89521455 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 595.935, vol: 7775.18034 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 601.55, vol: 37556.61512024 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 604.505825, vol: 166409.00960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 595.002, vol: 2382.07029961 | Volume-weighted last average: 603.425215709
1512653;1470113175;thestringpuller;what's with the evil government lab tv trope?
1512654;1470113179;BingoBoingo;Anyone else smell blood?
1512655;1470113192;thestringpuller;it's like every bad thing ever happens in an evil government lab
1512656;1470114118;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512561 << guy has a point, seriously now. http://trilema.com/2011/erotoghid-pentru-femeia-adulta/#selection-37.381-37.509
1512657;1470114118;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 22:29 pete_dushenski: https://vimeo.com/101336844 << dunno why anyone would worry about thai succession. crown prince looks like a pimp. wife topless at dinner, 80's pop beats, good times.
1512658;1470114281;mircea_popescu;also, 2009 wikileaks material, plox link http://wikileaks.info/wiki/Suppressed_video_of_Thai_Crown_Prince_and_Princess_at_decadent_dog_party/ rather than whatever useless bullshit
1512659;1470114287;mircea_popescu;"flash player needed", really ?
1512660;1470115046;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512565 << they have some bike lanes. for as long as you're fine only going where they go (<1% of town or so, the retard reservation, "palermo") they're great.
1512661;1470115046;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 22:36 pete_dushenski: no surprise to #trilema readers that no economy = no cars = plenty of room for cyclists
1512662;1470115084;mircea_popescu;but economy has nothing to do with it. humongo traffic jams in ba mostly because a) everyone here drives like a confused miami senior citizen. they can't fucking merge.
1512663;1470115117;mircea_popescu;b) poor people spend more on the symbols of "wealth" such as a shitty chinese import than sane people would, as a proportion of their expenditure.
1512664;1470115202;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512568 << ridiculous nonsense. market here is about as diverse as in north korea/cuba.
1512665;1470115202;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 22:37 pete_dushenski: bitch, what the fuck are used car parts doing in your mercados ?!
1512666;1470116103;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512593 <<<  http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/
1512667;1470116103;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 23:16 deedbot: [Qntra] Gawker Media's Nick Denton Personally Files For Bankruptcy - http://qntra.net/2016/08/gawker-medias-nick-denton-personally-files-for-bankruptcy/
1512668;1470116113;mircea_popescu;work for usg, in any manner, in any capacity ? YOU WILL GET FUCKED.
1512669;1470116201;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512597 << loller.
1512670;1470116201;a111;Logged on 2016-08-01 23:19 BingoBoingo: archived snapshot of defunct mpex.ws domain for posteriority https://archive.is/Q2GOH
1512671;1470116260;BingoBoingo;I like the title tag on new mpex.ws
1512672;1470116292;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512615 << the sort that was asked to, what.
1512673;1470116292;a111;Logged on 2016-08-02 00:16 asciilifeform: so i have nfi what kind of imbecile would pay the ransom.
1512674;1470116309;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo pretty good flower bouquet i thoutht.
1512675;1470116341;BingoBoingo;A++++ Domain flip
1512676;1470116355;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512616 << well... it is on reddit.
1512677;1470116355;a111;Logged on 2016-08-02 00:23 BingoBoingo: Turns out fats run /r/fatlogic https://archive.is/ei0LS
1512678;1470116404;mircea_popescu;fatlogic is part of a larger series on "Socialism-brand Idiocy [I Can't Believe It's Not Stupid], and its consumerist aftermarket effects"
1512679;1470116426;mircea_popescu;can't really get fatlogic without reddit, they're both enmeshed in and the necessary results of the same dumb.
1512680;1470116574;mircea_popescu;as per usual the name of the anglotard game is "you may complain about any part of our retardation provided you import the fundamental principles that guarantee it reproduces itself in all its parts"
1512681;1470116714;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512625 << ahahaha ok that's pretty great :D
1512682;1470116714;a111;Logged on 2016-08-02 00:52 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/einsatzgruppen_jewdetector.png
1512683;1470116816;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-02#1512634 << gopro autouploads.
1512684;1470116816;a111;Logged on 2016-08-02 02:27 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1512600 << bush girls would get party belligerent at smith point from time to time, main difference was that between bouncers and secret service, there's no way anybody was filming anything and still retained possession of device
1512685;1470118218;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Analysis of Elon Musk’s “Master Plan: Part Deux” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/02/analysis-of-elon-musks-master-plan-part-deux/
1512686;1470119271;mircea_popescu;let me not be the only one lulzing at the greaseball shithead. here : https://archive.is/tumCH
1512687;1470121981;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/759547166008315904
1512688;1470127776;thestringpuller;TIL making your own dry ice is as easy as buying a fire extinguisher: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFVerpNmEzA