1473558;1464616311;deedbot;[Trilema] That books are dead, and had an easy death does not mean the orphan bookworms are spared their slow motion Holocaust. - http://trilema.com/2016/that-books-are-dead-and-had-an-easy-death-does-not-mean-the-orphan-bookworms-are-spared-their-slow-motion-holocaust/
1473559;1464616584;mircea_popescu;^ in lulzy romanian drama, local "intellectual" wipes his blog within minutes of trilema article.
1473560;1464616749;shinohai;Hey asciilifeform looks like you left Chicago before the party really got started: http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/World/2016/05/30/22637783.html
1473561;1464616807;asciilifeform;l0l!
1473562;1464616819;asciilifeform;small party tho.
1473563;1464616891;shinohai;No better way to observe memorial day than dress only in a flag.
1473564;1464616897;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473558 << i just now finished reading this and did not find the books-are-dead thing inside! i am disappoint!111
1473565;1464616897;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 13:51 deedbot: [Trilema] That books are dead, and had an easy death does not mean the orphan bookworms are spared their slow motion Holocaust. - http://trilema.com/2016/that-books-are-dead-and-had-an-easy-death-does-not-mean-the-orphan-bookworms-are-spared-their-slow-motion-holocaust/
1473566;1464616908;mircea_popescu;but it is ? first link.
1473567;1464616954;mircea_popescu;shinohai maybe if the flags had more see through.
1473568;1464616991;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i suppose we have differing notions of alive?
1473569;1464617011;mircea_popescu;i suppose you just favour peculiar brands of necrophillia
1473570;1464617064;asciilifeform;'that is not dead we can eternal fuck! and with strange eons even death can cuck'
1473571;1464617100;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm not one to normate the pleasures of others. if you're happy with her, who cares she died a while ago.
1473572;1464617112;mircea_popescu;she certainly doesn't.
1473573;1464617166;asciilifeform;thing is, books were 'alive' for small bursts through the ages. consider medieval scholars - theirs were quite as dead as mine.
1473574;1464617197;mircea_popescu;theirs were also properly called vellum rolls, rather than books.
1473575;1464617210;mircea_popescu;much in the way the "alive part" of books is now called blogs.
1473576;1464617392;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473550 << i'ma fix this in next rev.
1473577;1464617392;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 10:58 mircea_popescu: somewhat disappointingly, if i grep the phuctored page for "ambroz" i discover the latest discovery is printed mid page. the rss page rescues the very recent - latest few items - but does nothing for the rest.
1473578;1464617405;asciilifeform;it is quite lame yes
1473579;1464619384;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand looks like dulap is back to rebooting by itself.
1473580;1464619384;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1473581;1464619388;asciilifeform;was nice while it lasted.
1473582;1464620199;asciilifeform;also mircea_popescu in the original 'books are dead' you have '...tot asa cum n-ati stiut niciodata greaca veche...' but we know you ~do~ greaca veche !
1473583;1464620202;asciilifeform;what gives!
1473584;1464620626;shinohai;http://www.newser.com/story/225829/us-may-get-sued-for-dronestrike-on-taliban-chief.html   <<< lulzy, maybe Preeeeeeet can defend.
1473585;1464621021;diana_coman;asciilifeform, that is broadly "just as *you* never knew ancient greek, don't come and tell *me* that you still read books" - with the very clear point that the author can and might read books just as they can and might read ancient Greek, but that's not to say anything about the general public who won't read one just as they can't/won't read the other
1473586;1464621036;asciilifeform;diana_coman: ah! ty
1473587;1464621051;asciilifeform;clearly i do not properly apprehend this particular greek yet.
1473588;1464621076;diana_coman;heh, ancient mp-ism already, could be, lol
1473589;1464621835;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473575 << let's try a gedankenexperiment. take a bunch of folks who grew up on books, and another set who grew up on blogs (let's say, the spiffiest blogs!) -- and see which set can solve a set of differential equations, build a cement mixer, a house that stands up, write gcd, whatever torture test you prefer.
1473590;1464621836;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 14:06 mircea_popescu: much in the way the "alive part" of books is now called blogs.
1473591;1464621935;asciilifeform;fact is, EVERYONE on planet3 who is worth so much as ~two shits~, is a child of books.
1473592;1464621963;asciilifeform;even if he won't admit it.
1473593;1464621965;diana_coman;asciilifeform, my understanding is that this will however not be the case in 10 years or less basically
1473594;1464621974;asciilifeform;then welcome to zimbabwe.
1473595;1464621986;diana_coman;it's not that books were dead 15 years ago but that they are dead now
1473596;1464621993;asciilifeform;the folks worth so much as two shits will be 10 years older and deader
1473597;1464621995;asciilifeform;and fewer.
1473598;1464622005;asciilifeform;the biodiesel candidates, more numerous.
1473599;1464622008;asciilifeform;news at 11.
1473600;1464622023;diana_coman;hm, I think the point was that *content* of books worth saving is saved through inclusion/discussion on blogs
1473601;1464622037;asciilifeform;fact is, this is not happening
1473602;1464622041;diana_coman;hence content is still there, kids can still learn just as previous kids learnt
1473603;1464622048;asciilifeform;except that it isn't
1473604;1464622077;asciilifeform;the most that can be said is that most plain text ru material is on the pirate libs.
1473605;1464622086;asciilifeform;but certainly not in 'blogs'.
1473606;1464622087;diana_coman;hm, don't know; fwiw I was (I think it's still there even) arguing against the original article in Romanian along your current lines really
1473607;1464622105;diana_coman;I think I took it also very literally at that time (and myeah, I was *very* fond of books)
1473608;1464622127;diana_coman;well, then it should better be/be brought ?
1473609;1464622151;asciilifeform;diana_coman: the medium is intrinsically unfriendly on account of every-derp-can-modify.
1473610;1464622155;diana_coman;basically it's a statement of facts: books are dead people, so if you want all the good and pretty to survive, best move it already
1473611;1464622167;diana_coman;hm, every derp can modify *your* blog?
1473612;1464622175;diana_coman;then it's not your blog basically...
1473613;1464622204;asciilifeform;diana_coman: every derp can distribute mutilated copy. the only pill against this is wot, and it remains to be seen whether the pill even works.
1473614;1464622220;diana_coman;uhm, so what, every derp can (and DOES) print his own books of shit
1473615;1464622226;diana_coman;with mutilated copy of anything
1473616;1464622232;asciilifeform;this was at one point expensive.
1473617;1464622239;asciilifeform;and generally not undertaken without a specific reason.
1473618;1464622244;diana_coman;well, it's not really
1473619;1464622256;asciilifeform;and in any case unmutilated copies abounded and could not be remotely fucked with.
1473620;1464622257;diana_coman;plenty of "self-published" grand authors successes etc
1473621;1464622281;asciilifeform;diana_coman: i am most sympathetic to precisely the 'anyone-can-print killed the book' argument.
1473622;1464622324;diana_coman;well, that's already going into the reason why books are dead, so in any case you accept then that yes, books certainly ARE dead and that was the original point of the article as I read it really
1473623;1464622365;diana_coman;dunno, maybe it all even started with the printing press then along those lines
1473624;1464622407;asciilifeform;long ago i wrote an article re the undisputably higher quality of hardware products vs software, on account of the impossibility of patching hardware
1473625;1464622411;asciilifeform;a similar effect applies to the book
1473626;1464622444;asciilifeform;which could not be fixed remotely (legends of 'great soviet encyclopaedia' owners being sent razor blade and list of what to censor notwithstanding)
1473627;1464622492;asciilifeform;hence more effort is put in, prior to printing
1473628;1464622529;asciilifeform;likewise the expense of printing/binding (and in the age of living culture it was quite expensive) was a pretty good bozo filter.
1473629;1464622536;diana_coman;hm, that links to me to some authors' observation that writing digitally destroys the quality of the writing because you can modify more easily what you write, hence they'd rather use a typewriter /write in ink as it "forces" them to think it through before writing it down
1473630;1464622574;diana_coman;to me this sounds more like a personal matter really, not sure I'm buying it as anything more than that
1473631;1464622578;asciilifeform;aha, smaller-scale version of the same idea
1473632;1464622627;asciilifeform;but i find it hard to see how it is not obvious that 'every sewer rat can publish' is a considerable damper on culture
1473633;1464622630;diana_coman;in any case, I suppose you can argue it the other way: the current cheapness of keeping a blog is not necessarily here to stay
1473634;1464622657;diana_coman;plus it's probably not really all that cheap to have your own blog as in truly nobody can bring it down etc
1473635;1464622665;asciilifeform;the sewer rats impose a considerable cost on thinking folk just by being there.
1473636;1464622691;asciilifeform;diana_coman: generally the rats find it much more cost-effective to 'bring it down' by signal jamming
1473637;1464622706;asciilifeform;and, if it comes to it, news blackouts
1473638;1464622738;diana_coman;well, sewer rats is basically what I was calling the "mountain of idiots" and that is a generic problem, unrelated to books or writing as such
1473639;1464622754;diana_coman;in other words: the only solution to *that* is to..not feed /starve the rats
1473640;1464622802;asciilifeform;there is also another cost imposed by sewer rats, that is not solvable by technical means
1473641;1464622805;diana_coman;+ tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
1473642;1464622810;asciilifeform;they result in a thickening of the mental carapace of thinking people
1473643;1464622837;diana_coman;I mean: if I choose to write on paper because I like it or whatever I'm in love with paper, fine; but if I do it because of rats than all is lost already
1473644;1464622838;asciilifeform;do you know the stories told by math profs, of how up to 1980s or so they would accept unsolicited manuscripts purporting to prove a theorem, but then had to stop ?
1473645;1464622874;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473641 << where do you find this implication ?
1473646;1464622874;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 diana_coman: + tbh I find it all of a sudden terribly annoying that one would have to go back to *necessarily* write on paper (why not parchment? why not stone?) *because* of...rats
1473647;1464622884;asciilifeform;writing on paper - or stone - today, will not help.
1473648;1464622895;diana_coman;well yes, not enough filters + too many idiots -> overwhelmed , certainly
1473649;1464622900;asciilifeform;printing is cheap enough that the rats have excellent access to it.
1473650;1464622903;asciilifeform;(see 'amazon press' etc.)
1473651;1464622921;asciilifeform;the true filter for quality technical literature remains ~vintage dead tree~.
1473652;1464622928;asciilifeform;i wish this were not so
1473653;1464622931;asciilifeform;but it is.
1473654;1464622931;diana_coman;but you started from "online is not good" and then got onto " because rats"
1473655;1464622958;diana_coman;so either you imply that one should use something else because of rats or otherwise no, online is perfectly good, just kill the rats
1473656;1464622960;asciilifeform;the rats dampen ~new~ developments.
1473657;1464622975;asciilifeform;and wake me up when anyone discovers a means of killing them.
1473658;1464622991;diana_coman;they dampen anything where they thrive, that's why they are rats, no?
1473659;1464623001;asciilifeform;aha.
1473660;1464623036;diana_coman;heh, there was this discussion which might perhaps be interesting to you re freedom on trilema vs censorship of comments on public forums etc
1473661;1464623059;asciilifeform;to clarify, i am not 'in love with paper' so much as with 'paper whose untampered age i can smell with my nose'
1473662;1464623072;asciilifeform;it is a means of authentication almost as good as pgp.
1473663;1464623091;diana_coman;the gist of it being that rats basically do not *want* to comment on trilema for too long because they find it...very uncomfortable; so yes, they have full liberty to come and shit there and be slapped with a hammer in return, sure
1473664;1464623107;asciilifeform;they impose a different kind of cost on trilema.
1473665;1464623131;diana_coman;uhm, I found tons of shit on old pages too, maybe I just read too much through my grand parents' old books or something
1473666;1464623136;asciilifeform;which is that mircea_popescu has thick walls in his head covered in barbed wire, and newcomers are necessarily massaged by said barbed wire.
1473667;1464623141;asciilifeform;and i have similar barbed wire in my head.
1473668;1464623151;diana_coman;like any sane person I suppose
1473669;1464623162;asciilifeform;and if it were the year 1850 and a letter that comes in can be presumed to be from a learned gentlemen simply by virtue of being a letter,
1473670;1464623169;asciilifeform;no barbed wire is necessary.
1473671;1464623181;asciilifeform;*gentleman
1473672;1464623265;asciilifeform;fact is, 'intellectual rats' play similar role to 'neutron poison' in fission reactor.
1473673;1464623283;asciilifeform;their mere ~possibility~ inhibits.
1473674;1464623300;diana_coman;well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess
1473675;1464623329;asciilifeform;which is why imho any future of the net as an intellectual citadel depends on tech for keeping rats out.
1473676;1464623331;asciilifeform;e.g., gossipd.
1473677;1464623349;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjtiwFZUgAAEeHZ.jpg
1473678;1464623373;asciilifeform;but this is not enough, you actually need the old books.
1473679;1464623377;asciilifeform;without them - zimbabwe.
1473680;1464623381;asciilifeform;immediately.
1473681;1464623416;diana_coman;I think rats will also find it increasingly hard economically to do much on the net
1473682;1464623434;asciilifeform;on the contrary, it is ~people~ who are finding it economically hard to do much on the net.
1473683;1464623449;asciilifeform;for instance, even mircea_popescu does not seem to be able to find me a phuctor box that will stay up
1473684;1464623455;asciilifeform;and not get molested orifices by usg
1473685;1464623459;diana_coman;my experience so far though has been time and time again that rats simply do not enjoy/survive areas /groups /vicinity of too many people who are clean basically
1473686;1464623476;asciilifeform;they die as individuals, but are immortal in the aggregate.
1473687;1464623484;asciilifeform;as described in mircea_popescu's 'infinite hitpoints' piece.
1473688;1464623608;diana_coman;certainly, my point was not that cleanliness is a way of exterminating rats but rather that cleanliness is a very good indicator of whether you find rats there or not, hence whether worth bothering with some output from there or not
1473689;1464623655;asciilifeform;actually these rats find nothing more appealing than a yet-un-ratted place of clean people.
1473690;1464623670;asciilifeform;hence why we get periodic 'ninjashogun' visitors.
1473691;1464623677;diana_coman;yes, question is: are they able to take over or do they get their tails burnt
1473692;1464623696;diana_coman;well, rats do what rats do, what else
1473693;1464623715;asciilifeform;the fundamental mistake is to assume that it costs us nothing to burn their tails.
1473694;1464623723;diana_coman;no such assumption, no
1473695;1464623781;diana_coman;life costs quite a lot in itself and the more elaborate you make it basically, the higher the cost, of course
1473696;1464623799;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36412487 << buterin's waterfall to extinguish rising exchange rate just in time !
1473697;1464623808;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al ^
1473698;1464623825;asciilifeform;'A collection of bitcoins worth about £8m, which had been confiscated by police in Australia, will be auctioned off in June. The 24,518 bitcoins will be sold mostly in blocks of 2,000 - each with a value of about £680,000.'
1473699;1464623838;asciilifeform;'Ernst & Young, the firm organising the auction, said the bitcoins had been "confiscated as proceeds of crime" but did not elaborate on the case.'
1473700;1464624173;diana_coman;asciilifeform> but this is not enough, you actually need the old books. <- this was not contested really; the fact that books are dead doesn't mean that old books are all useless all of a sudden
1473701;1464626795;asciilifeform;diana_coman: mircea_popescu and i had this wild thread where he actually pissed on the old books directly
1473702;1464628429;diana_coman;I meant the *content* of the old books does not become useless all of a sudden; reading it and/or extracting it and transferring it (or not) to the new medium becomes a different occupation, much akin to reading ancient Greek basically;
1473703;1464629056;asciilifeform;relatedly, and hilariously, in sov era, the phrase 'classical education' meant, to educated folks, the imperial ru gymnasium, per old euro spec, with latin and greek. and ~all of the great ru writers, INCLUDING sov era, had this education, were old enough. whereas TODAY 'classical education' in ru refers to sov era school !
1473704;1464629062;asciilifeform;i.e. what my brother went to.
1473705;1464629088;asciilifeform;cultured people in all times of decline are aware of said decline.
1473706;1464629164;asciilifeform;(i will not dignify american school, where i went, with word 'education'. it is more of a kind of prison. where, yes, you can perhaps find the time to read books. but it is not why you are in the prison)
1473707;1464630186;phf;the way i understood that old books thread is that there's no focus on building libraries, i.e. old books as an accumulation of artifacts, but where you get your own knowledge is up to you. so if ascii is keeping a collection of scanz and gives me a copy, it's both purely between us and also about ~my~ education as a cause of ascii's action
1473708;1464630316;phf;there will be no great library of tmsr, but on the other hand no accumulation and exchange of amulets and fetishes of knowledge, because the last can be subverted in all kinds of ways we've seen already.
1473709;1464630568;phf;pre-80s hard bounds as a source of knowledge is a here and now sort of source, same way as pre-2005 amds, etc. not only is it a limited source, it is also unstable. a year from now, we're going to see all the fullstack developers switching to "classics library", and buying up last-known-prints on ebay for +++ bezzle dollars on ebay
1473710;1464630887;asciilifeform;phf: in no sense different from the situation on the ground in, say, 1200s cambridge.
1473711;1464630907;asciilifeform;other than the lower snr.
1473712;1464630949;asciilifeform;and yes, the ~cultural institutions~ that produced my library, are dead as dodo.
1473713;1464630966;asciilifeform;just as dead as classical greece was in 1200.
1473714;1464631199;asciilifeform;'great library' is eminently possible, just waiting on gossipd.
1473715;1464631213;asciilifeform;same role as the walls of cambridge, with their arrow-slits.
1473716;1464631278;asciilifeform;not so much even against the copyrasts, thought they are pestilential like mosquitoes in some parts of the world,
1473717;1464631289;asciilifeform;but against the jwzs, the 'i just wanted to's, the amulet-peddlers.
1473718;1464631335;phf;the people who bought up all the symbolics keyboards to connect to their gaming pcs, because "dude retro switch action"
1473719;1464631356;asciilifeform;lulzily, i was quite disappointed with the switches.
1473720;1464631360;asciilifeform;(i have both types here)
1473721;1464631378;asciilifeform;the lack of arrow keys, at least, could be seen from photo
1473722;1464631383;asciilifeform;but the miserably switches, not so much.
1473723;1464631389;asciilifeform;*miserable
1473724;1464631405;asciilifeform;no click to speak of
1473725;1464631418;asciilifeform;quite analogous to 'linear Alps', for those who've used these.
1473726;1464631486;asciilifeform;phf: you reminded me of sov legend of some bloke who bought up a buncha 'deficit' bookz, e.g., complete dumas, and put an iron railroad bolt through the stack and then put on shelf, so guests wouldn't try to borrow'em
1473727;1464631505;phf;ahaha
1473728;1464631549;asciilifeform;and i imagine it must suck to be the owner of a real airplane landed on cargo cult island, it will promptly be ripped apart for parts to decorate straw planes the moment you look away
1473729;1464631550;phf;no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read
1473730;1464631585;asciilifeform;lulzily, in usa they print special editions of 'classics' for this use
1473731;1464631592;asciilifeform;you can recognize them by the gold trim
1473732;1464631598;asciilifeform;but if you open, it is on loathesome toilet-like paper
1473733;1464631607;asciilifeform;i wonder why they even bother putting in the text
1473734;1464631660;asciilifeform;at any rate, not all cargo cults are the same! in an american home, you are much more likely to find barbells nobody lifts, elaborate exercise machinery that is rusted solid, etc.
1473735;1464631688;asciilifeform;even expensive trucks that have never seen a load of bricks or cement
1473736;1464631711;phf;expensive trucks reaffirm your masculinity, of course
1473737;1464631713;asciilifeform;my neighbour owns a boat that, i think, has not felt the sea water in decades.
1473738;1464631788;phf;apparently those things are really expensive to run. i used to go on potomac with Georgetown liesure boat crowd, and short, 1-2 hour runs, would cost ~~3k in gas, and that was 8-10 years ago 
1473739;1464631798;asciilifeform;re symbolics keyboards, barbarians smashed roman frescoes to decorate sword handles.
1473740;1464631806;asciilifeform;this sort of thing never goes out of style.
1473741;1464631874;asciilifeform;phf: that's what, a litre/second ?! what was on the boat, jet engine ?
1473742;1464631930;phf;i just remember it being outrageous
1473743;1464631947;asciilifeform;not even piston engine airplane is 3k/hr.
1473744;1464631961;asciilifeform;(a few hundy)
1473745;1464632012;mircea_popescu;o boy.
1473746;1464632019;*;mircea_popescu proceeds to read apace.
1473747;1464632031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i forget which one is dulap ?
1473748;1464632038;asciilifeform;i only got 1
1473749;1464632046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescutronic box, s.nsa
1473750;1464632056;asciilifeform;phuctor, trb
1473751;1464632070;mircea_popescu;ah. lol. so i guess i write to host warning that if this happens  again they lose the contract,
1473752;1464632077;mircea_popescu;which they ignore and subsequently lose the contract ?
1473753;1464632094;asciilifeform;as always.
1473754;1464632129;mircea_popescu;you sure it's worth it to you ?
1473755;1464632147;mircea_popescu;i judge the move to have been preeeetty boneheaded the last time around.
1473756;1464632147;asciilifeform;i have genuinely nfi
1473757;1464632157;asciilifeform;it would be great if there existed isp worth using.
1473758;1464632161;asciilifeform;but so far evidence is negative.
1473759;1464632171;asciilifeform;afaik we haven't tried non-nato world yet tho.
1473760;1464632183;mircea_popescu;there exists no such thing as a length of rope made by the fiat world that is genuinely what it claims to be.
1473761;1464632213;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would you tolerate mpex on a box like this ?
1473762;1464632240;mircea_popescu;mpex is written by people who, unlike you, live in the world as it is. consequently, it doth not care. what you see is not ENVIRONMENT.
1473763;1464632245;asciilifeform;(not saying the no-secrets-save-for-sshkey phuctor box is comparable, but simply for argument)
1473764;1464632250;mircea_popescu;it's not fucking CIRCUMSTANCE that makes me rich and powerful, ya prole.
1473765;1464632279;mircea_popescu;and whoever the fuck cuts your neck did not do so because his blacksmith had better steel.
1473766;1464632282;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can retract the spikes, no one was proling at you.
1473767;1464632325;mircea_popescu;but the very idea!
1473768;1464632340;asciilifeform;and yes mircea_popescu described his system of disposable proxies and inner boxes guarded by legionaries or how it went.
1473769;1464632359;mircea_popescu;it's expensive as fuck to run because it is redundant as fuck and built out of atomic shit.
1473770;1464632367;asciilifeform;i recall.
1473771;1464632381;asciilifeform;but with phuctor we have the sad of both worlds, expensive AND porous.
1473772;1464632427;mircea_popescu;anyway - since i recall you itching to do it throughout the YEAR LONG outage, which in my best business judgement is not fucking acceptable, suppose you find a server, and once (and only once) you're satisfied it entirely meets your specs we move over ?
1473773;1464632465;mircea_popescu;but not before, because honestly in between a) shrug and make the engineers rewrite the software to be windows proof and b) turn off the service for another year because the world is not ready yet, even an entry level manager would know enough to pick a every time.
1473774;1464632485;asciilifeform;well, thing doesn't suffer from resets per se.
1473775;1464632498;asciilifeform;it is the principle of the matter, i have nfi who did what to the disk while it was off.
1473776;1464632511;mircea_popescu;or, for that matter, on.
1473777;1464632515;asciilifeform;or.
1473778;1464632523;mircea_popescu;so then... call it "modern computing" and let it be.
1473779;1464632524;asciilifeform;but apparently the monkeys need it, for some reason, to be off.
1473780;1464632530;asciilifeform;perhaps only as 'horse's head'
1473781;1464632530;mircea_popescu;because idiots.
1473782;1464632579;asciilifeform;i have nfi, for instance, what - if anything - was removed from, or added to, db
1473783;1464632589;asciilifeform;or whether the trb on the box is worth using any moar
1473784;1464632608;asciilifeform;nor is it possible to easily decide this through mechanical means.
1473785;1464632620;mircea_popescu;even more alternatively, if you're just about ready to move out of nato and place a rack in your own basement i'm definitely just about ready to ship you the server in question. have been for a while nao.
1473786;1464632653;asciilifeform;noted.
1473787;1464632688;phf;it seems the way it's going it's equally "safe" to host box in basement now, and only upload static pages of results to web
1473788;1464632700;asciilifeform;i don't expect to find a massively improved commercial server anywhere, for the reasons mircea_popescu described.
1473789;1464632714;mircea_popescu;phf i'm not entirely sure i wish to risk that much in property behind enemy lines, but i guess if one musts...
1473790;1464632720;asciilifeform;at this point the only thing that can be asked is for the thing to be more often up than down...
1473791;1464632756;mircea_popescu;(and yes i do think you people are ~idiots for keeping chattels there, exactly for the reasons and exactly to the degree i think jews moving around berlin in the 30s with golden whatevers on their person, such as teeth, idiots.)
1473792;1464632784;*;asciilifeform dun look at me, i have nuffin'!111
1473793;1464632804;mircea_popescu;well his proposal was for you to have a server.
1473794;1464632813;asciilifeform;i would already have built 10 if i had where to put.
1473795;1464632818;asciilifeform;this was discussed in older thread.
1473796;1464632825;asciilifeform;i haven't the provisions for cooling or noise isolation.
1473797;1464632833;asciilifeform;(no cellar)
1473798;1464632854;*;phf is living in a tiny overpriced appartment, so assume ascii with his house has space to start tmsr space program
1473799;1464632866;asciilifeform;if anyone tuned in is interested in such experiment, please write in.
1473800;1464632875;asciilifeform;phf: i live in tiny overpriced house thing.
1473801;1464632896;asciilifeform;paying largely from the human-free space ~around~ it.
1473802;1464632988;asciilifeform;*for the
1473803;1464633208;asciilifeform;i do have the keys to a place with a rack, but it has own problems (no cooling in the summer on weekends and roof has been known to leak...)
1473804;1464633227;asciilifeform;in fact, that's what killed 'bucephalus'.
1473805;1464633235;asciilifeform;(who remembers what it was..?)
1473806;1464633541;ben_vulpes;trb node!
1473807;1464633555;ben_vulpes;leastaways one ran there once.
1473808;1464635633;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: was one of my 4, yes
1473809;1464635636;asciilifeform;now there are 2.
1473810;1464635639;*;asciilifeform bbl
1473811;1464637127;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/MWa
1473812;1464637127;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1473813;1464640404;mircea_popescu;and in today's random trilema historical lulz, http://trilema.com/2014/for-capitalism/
1473814;1464640962;mircea_popescu;danke ben_vulpes
1473815;1464641697;ben_vulpes;mhm
1473816;1464641710;ben_vulpes;bitte
1473817;1464645515;mircea_popescu;and in other web lulz, http://www.turkmenpress.com/ << used to be the website of the state turkmen press agency
1473818;1464646807;mircea_popescu;if anyone feels like trolling the shit out of lolcows in languages they don't even understand, tweet https://archive.is/X5oos#selection-1453.1-1453.24 to @lorenalupu and watch the fireworks :D
1473819;1464647202;shinohai;HAd nothing better to do so done mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/737409711570587648
1473820;1464647302;shinohai; /me sits back and waits to get cursed in Romanian
1473821;1464647541;mircea_popescu;should be interesting.
1473822;1464647691;mircea_popescu;curious if i manage to get two idiots to delete their blogs the same day.
1473823;1464647723;shinohai;kek
1473824;1464651432;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1473826;1464651504;mircea_popescu;so the various usg exchanges doing fuckall volume are STILL clinging on to their delusional notions of what the price is, days later.
1473827;1464651518;mircea_popescu;cue mp saying there's no bitcoin price signal i guess.
1473828;1464651596;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473582 << n-ati = nu ati = you haven't.
1473829;1464651596;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 14:56 asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu in the original 'books are dead' you have '...tot asa cum n-ati stiut niciodata greaca veche...' but we know you ~do~ greaca veche !
1473830;1464651626;mircea_popescu;a thanx diametric
1473831;1464651629;mircea_popescu;oops i mean diana_coman
1473832;1464651771;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473589 << no, that's not the test, that's masturbation. the real life test is, take some kids who grew up on blogs ; and some derps who grew up on books, and see who manage to thoroughly fuck up their interactions with mp. that's the fucking test, the test of life, not the test of school-alike.
1473833;1464651771;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473575 << let's try a gedankenexperiment. take a bunch of folks who grew up on books, and another set who grew up on blogs (let's say, the spiffiest blogs!) -- and see which set can solve a set of differential equations, build a cement mixer, a house that stands up, write gcd, whatever torture test you prefer.
1473834;1464651829;mircea_popescu;the test for the nascent burgunds / germans / whatever the fyck you'd call them wasn't whether "they could build roman baths", either.
1473835;1464651856;mircea_popescu;it was whether they'll live or die on the corpse of rome's empire. strictly that. and in my hands locklin will starve.
1473836;1464651932;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473609 << what derp modified trilema ?
1473837;1464651932;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:29 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the medium is intrinsically unfriendly on account of every-derp-can-modify.
1473838;1464651983;mircea_popescu;anyway, the renaissance happened EXACTLY because of the blog-like organisation of the textual community of the time, and it was for the record largely an oral process ; its notation rather very similar with the btcbase.org service.
1473839;1464651990;mircea_popescu;ie, an afterthought.
1473840;1464652084;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473619 << i think you have a very naive view on the matter driven perhaps by the narrow point of the samizdat experience. this was never the case, to this date most apocrypha problems are not in fact solved.
1473841;1464652084;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:30 asciilifeform: and in any case unmutilated copies abounded and could not be remotely fucked with.
1473842;1464652122;mircea_popescu;perhaps the most amusing example for our purposes here being the late forgery known as "donatio constantini")
1473843;1464652329;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473623 <<< i guess ima have to translate that caragiale piece, it's very much apropos.
1473844;1464652329;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:32 diana_coman: dunno, maybe it all even started with the printing press then along those lines
1473845;1464654019;BingoBoingo;https://debmcalister.com/2014/01/05/dont-tie-a-yellow-ribbon-on-your-dogs-list/
1473846;1464654103;BingoBoingo;;;more
1473847;1464654103;gribble;550.443731305
1473848;1464654745;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473642 << this is not merely false, it is backwards to reality. a lot of cocks do not result in a "loose" pussy ; they result in a well musculated, pleasurable fuckhole. similarly so, the only thing that results in thick "mental carpaces" are "healthy" ie deratized situations.
1473849;1464654745;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: they result in a thickening of the mental carapace of thinking people
1473850;1464654774;mircea_popescu;which is why "every" imbecile ustard agreed di maggio is some sort of big deal 50 years ago, much like every argentine fucktard thinks messi is "his idol".
1473851;1464654832;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about.
1473852;1464654832;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:40 asciilifeform: do you know the stories told by math profs, of how up to 1980s or so they would accept unsolicited manuscripts purporting to prove a theorem, but then had to stop ?
1473853;1464654863;mircea_popescu;fuck whatever the fuck derp "can't" (ie, doesn't, DELIBERATELY, want to) get in the WoT. Fuck him with ten thousand dongs borrowed from the leprosarium, he is the enemy.
1473854;1464654879;mircea_popescu;above any obama or any other nigger ; above any "4th column" idiot kids imagining themselves sikrit agents.
1473855;1464656348;mircea_popescu;"In Texas and a number of other states, it’s legal to shoot a dog if someone is “reasonably” afraid of it." << everywhgere sane, pretty much. wtf.
1473856;1464656354;mircea_popescu;you want to derp with dogs, buy a ranch.
1473857;1464656392;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473834 << eh hey i get it, sure, mircea_popescu is odoacer, and doesn't give half a rat's arse if anybody ever builds another aqueduct or blows a glass vase, esp not if it's a stinking dickless city-dwellin' pedo, etc.
1473858;1464656392;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 23:43 mircea_popescu: the test for the nascent burgunds / germans / whatever the fyck you'd call them wasn't whether "they could build roman baths", either.
1473859;1464656428;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473835 << i'ma have to reread the original mircea_popescu-vs-locklin thing aren't i.
1473860;1464656428;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 23:44 mircea_popescu: it was whether they'll live or die on the corpse of rome's empire. strictly that. and in my hands locklin will starve.
1473861;1464656431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i am not going to import as much as a nail's dirt worth of old crap, even for all the vases in the world, be they made of glass bead or kidney stone.
1473862;1464656460;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is a defensible position, but so is the fact that folks who don't know what a prime number is are beasts of the field.
1473863;1464656472;asciilifeform;just like folk who haven't any clue how to adjust rifle for wind and fall.
1473864;1464656480;asciilifeform;or can't wire a light.
1473865;1464656481;mircea_popescu;i am not convinced there's twenty people alive who know what a number is altogether, prime or not.
1473866;1464656490;asciilifeform;know in the rifle sense.
1473867;1464656496;asciilifeform;not in peano's.
1473868;1464656500;mircea_popescu;and that should now make a difference.
1473869;1464656510;asciilifeform;it makes a difference precisely where the rifle does.
1473870;1464656510;mircea_popescu;since when does this "functional literacy" constitute a standard.
1473871;1464656516;asciilifeform;if you can't pgp you are a beast of the field.
1473872;1464656528;asciilifeform;and pgp is liable to resolve to 'build it'.
1473873;1464656542;asciilifeform;just like in 15th c. cannoneer and trigonometer was identical.
1473874;1464656574;asciilifeform;dun like this standard? complain to god of war, not me.
1473875;1464656588;mircea_popescu;was never fucking identical.
1473876;1464656627;asciilifeform;well obviously not in the 'every bloke with cannon a pythagoras' sense.
1473877;1464656641;mircea_popescu;king's artillery school "trigonometeer" was trigonometeer much like aol subscriber was "interneteer".
1473878;1464656645;shinohai;http://i.4cdn.org/b/1464656413624.webm
1473879;1464656658;mircea_popescu;there'd better be tits bouncing there i'm in a mood foul as hell
1473880;1464656673;mircea_popescu;close enough.
1473881;1464656675;shinohai;Well there's tits in it
1473882;1464656676;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu get bitten by peron's zombie or wut.
1473883;1464656684;asciilifeform;i can tell he is throwing things.
1473884;1464656690;mircea_popescu;i have nfi dude, i've never been this sick in my life.
1473885;1464656698;asciilifeform;mosquito bites ?
1473886;1464656703;asciilifeform;perhaps it's that plague
1473887;1464656721;mircea_popescu;it's some obscure common cold branch. ain;'t got nothin' but wastin' my time.
1473888;1464656744;asciilifeform;damn.
1473889;1464656771;*;asciilifeform wishes mircea_popescu a quick return to battle form.
1473890;1464656779;mircea_popescu;this is my battle form.
1473891;1464656788;mircea_popescu;when healthy i'm in more of a scholarly form i guess.
1473892;1464656793;asciilifeform;ah hm.
1473893;1464656803;asciilifeform;in related nyooz i saw what passes for an american military parade today
1473894;1464656808;asciilifeform;it was mightily depressing
1473895;1464656813;asciilifeform;buncha high school bands from midwest.
1473896;1464656817;mircea_popescu;were the nukes pointy at least ?
1473897;1464656825;asciilifeform;and some VERY old men pulled in a wagon thing behind a jeep
1473898;1464656827;asciilifeform;korea vets.
1473899;1464656833;asciilifeform;not ONE rocket or tank or ... any.
1473900;1464656850;asciilifeform;not even motorbikers, apparently those went the other day, in the good weather.
1473901;1464656876;asciilifeform;the americans, so sad, have nfi what a real parade is!
1473902;1464656883;asciilifeform;they think this is it!
1473903;1464656887;mircea_popescu;the chinese are busting the records for that.
1473904;1464656907;asciilifeform;i bet the chinese don't even have to drive the same rocket around a corner 10 times.
1473905;1464656909;asciilifeform;like su did.
1473906;1464656922;mircea_popescu;nope. they actually (from what i hear) make pools and pick which to run
1473907;1464656931;mircea_popescu;so they don't end up embarassed. like, 1 of 3 regiments goes, sorta thing
1473908;1464656946;asciilifeform;as a boy i always imagined that chinese parade includes blokes carrying little stools from which they will - together, and seismically calamitously - jump !
1473909;1464656967;mircea_popescu;lotta changed since you were a boy!
1473910;1464656985;mircea_popescu;used to be, you know, back in the 80s, china was roughly speaking a very large vietnam.
1473911;1464656989;asciilifeform;they had working nukes when i was a boy.
1473912;1464656994;asciilifeform;though people forget this.
1473913;1464657032;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473652 << it won't be so, for the same exact reason the "true standard" of "original vellum roll with chain of custody" didn't make it as a "golden standard" past 500ad.
1473914;1464657032;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:42 asciilifeform: i wish this were not so
1473915;1464657059;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they had norking wukes ~in the sense the brits do : the americans gave them some.
1473916;1464657070;asciilifeform;in '70s?!
1473917;1464657079;asciilifeform;afaik american 'donation' to cn began with clinton.
1473918;1464657083;mircea_popescu;at whatever point they had that fallout with moscow.
1473919;1464657086;mircea_popescu;naw.
1473920;1464657097;asciilifeform;interesting...
1473921;1464657108;asciilifeform;and to india, they also gave ?!
1473922;1464657121;mircea_popescu;there was military tech transfer to china right around the cuban crisis.
1473923;1464657129;asciilifeform;btw according to brits the american nuke was a fair trade for the gas
1473924;1464657143;mircea_popescu;india i have nfi, possibly brits gave them.
1473925;1464657155;mircea_popescu;sure, and according to every divorced woman the house was fair trade for the nagging.
1473926;1464657165;asciilifeform;lol aha
1473927;1464657248;mircea_popescu;now, not to say that current chinese capacities in rocketry and so on aren't mostly chinese. they are ; with a little dab of helping from anyone available to help for a reasonable fee, the swiss, romanians, jews, whoever the fuck.
1473928;1464657267;asciilifeform;iirc that khan fella went round and round, helpin'.
1473929;1464657275;asciilifeform;and that's just the 1 who advertised his name.
1473930;1464657298;mircea_popescu;truth be told this isn't particularly advanced tech.
1473931;1464657312;asciilifeform;i'd idly like to know if anyone is using the laser separator.
1473932;1464657315;mircea_popescu;wasn't in the 40s either, more of a "holy shit engineering feat" than a "omaigerd its incomprehensible arcana"
1473933;1464657326;asciilifeform;(~100x cheaper than centrifuge isotope separation device)
1473934;1464657337;asciilifeform;in '40s the separation machine was ruinously inefficient.
1473935;1464657348;asciilifeform;esp. the american abomination
1473936;1464657350;asciilifeform;calutron.
1473937;1464657356;asciilifeform;remember it? gigantic mass spec.
1473938;1464657359;asciilifeform;with a funnel.
1473939;1464657376;mircea_popescu;very deeply embedded in my skull as an example of "american engineering"
1473940;1464657377;asciilifeform;usa had cheap electric, but was not remotely cheap enough.
1473941;1464657386;asciilifeform;aha, every literate man's skull i think
1473942;1464657391;mircea_popescu;good thing they didn't make a tin woman, in the shape of a raindeer with a funnel up its butt.
1473943;1464657399;asciilifeform;which is why the crackpot hypothesis that they plundered german uranium is so popular
1473944;1464657423;asciilifeform;there is, in archive, a letter from general groves to truman stating, plainly, that there will not be REMOTELY enough U for bomb.
1473945;1464657426;asciilifeform;in '44.
1473946;1464657431;asciilifeform;(at the production rate then.)
1473947;1464657444;mircea_popescu;it's doubtful wtf the germans had.
1473948;1464657488;asciilifeform;what exactly patton (who died in strange circumstances right after war) found when he plundered the seeekrit shit, is still Officially Seekrit.
1473949;1464657517;asciilifeform;ditto what was in the massive 6-engined junkers that flew to buenos aires in '45.
1473950;1464657522;mircea_popescu;yeah, but he's fondly remembered as the "let's keep going" guy.
1473951;1464657526;asciilifeform;aha.
1473952;1464657559;asciilifeform;at any rate, germany had the gas centrifuge, it is where su found it.
1473953;1464657564;asciilifeform;worked great.
1473954;1464657597;asciilifeform;;;google "nazi bell"
1473955;1464657598;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1473956;1464657600;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473666 << eh you kidding, i'm the nicest guy there is.
1473957;1464657600;asciilifeform;eh.
1473958;1464657600;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:45 asciilifeform: which is that mircea_popescu has thick walls in his head covered in barbed wire, and newcomers are necessarily massaged by said barbed wire.
1473959;1464657629;asciilifeform;relatedly, i can see ( re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1473848 ) the argument.
1473960;1464657629;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 00:32 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473642 << this is not merely false, it is backwards to reality. a lot of cocks do not result in a "loose" pussy ; they result in a well musculated, pleasurable fuckhole. similarly so, the only thing that results in thick "mental carpaces" are "healthy" ie deratized situations.
1473961;1464657639;asciilifeform;'nice' ain't nice, makes axenic mice.
1473962;1464657645;asciilifeform;^ ought to be advertisement jingle...
1473963;1464657645;mircea_popescu;just don't step on any of the invisible tripwires that are found in places which don't even necessarily make geometric sense. TO YOU, NOOB!!1
1473964;1464657700;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1473851 << was less 'demoocracy' and more about how world used to be less verminiferous on the whole and folks had a bit moar surplus to throw around.
1473965;1464657700;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 00:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473644 << this was a miserable idea to begin with. cry me a river of small violins over how the illo tempore "good socialism" of "every man had a wife" is some sort of something i should care about.
1473966;1464657712;mircea_popescu;ironically, this whole thing is also discussed on trilema. lemme fish it out, mostly for diana_coman 's interest mebbe.
1473967;1464657718;asciilifeform;including thrown at promising n00bs
1473968;1464657776;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2010/nu-exista-prosti-online/ << check it out, i found it.
1473969;1464657852;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473670 << this is a fallacy of the first order. it could be presumed to come from some sort of cleric, who could be presumed to be some sort of transposition of that horror which today i call a nigger. i see no benefit accruing to me on this score for going back to 1850 or 1650.
1473970;1464657852;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:46 asciilifeform: no barbed wire is necessary.
1473971;1464657871;mircea_popescu;even then i'd still have had to ask "but do you know voltaire" and gut them if not.
1473972;1464657902;asciilifeform;would rather be ritchie at bell labs, or voltaire ^, or hard-nose british surrounded by angry niggerz to machine gun all day long
1473973;1464657928;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473674 << yeah, except we're fucking that up with euloran noobs ;/
1473974;1464657928;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:48 diana_coman: well, a pgp message at this point quite serves as that letter I guess
1473975;1464657957;asciilifeform;i have not been tuned in.. mircea_popescu, how is the experiment in driving all-comers to pgp coming along ?
1473976;1464657981;asciilifeform;i recall a very recent post re some derp who had to be formally drummed out on account of persistent idiocy
1473977;1464658053;mircea_popescu;the one time when "has Latin", that, specifically, not "can write" or other junk would have served as you wish it to serve, was cca 500 ad. and at that time it served like "knowing idish" served you in the new york harbor cca early 1900s. plenty of people were there because specifically "Pedalavo come se fuggissi, e in realta fuggivo, da lei, da quelle emozioni, da i sogni, da i ricordi, da tutto. E pensavo che dovevo dimenti
1473978;1464658054;mircea_popescu;care."
1473979;1464658088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-30.log.html#t21:26:47
1473980;1464658089;mircea_popescu;miserably.
1473981;1464658125;asciilifeform;where do these even come from.
1473982;1464658146;asciilifeform;they, what, search google for 'i'm out of gamez, i need a game' ?
1473983;1464658152;asciilifeform;and find eulora somehow
1473984;1464658196;asciilifeform;woah,
1473985;1464658205;asciilifeform;'zakorus123	is no one able to rescue me by buying my 1.2m coppers	07:59
1473986;1464658205;asciilifeform;zakorus123	mircae PLEASE  07:59
1473987;1464658205;asciilifeform;zakorus123	*makes sad puppy eyes*'
1473988;1464658215;asciilifeform;pretty special.
1473989;1464658227;asciilifeform;i dun even play, and i cringe.
1473990;1464658239;deedbot;[Qntra] Darkode Member Sentenced - http://qntra.net/2016/05/darkode-member-sentenced/
1473991;1464658351;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, the most pathetic thing at the parade was a GIGANTIC american flag carried by buncha korean derps, emigres,
1473992;1464658361;asciilifeform;one set carrying banner, 'korean unification league' or somethinglikethat
1473993;1464658381;asciilifeform;hard to imagine moar pathetic set.
1473994;1464658388;asciilifeform;except possibly if they had czechs
1473995;1464658403;asciilifeform;at whose embassy there is a shrine to patton, who took ~one town~
1473996;1464658427;asciilifeform;(and nothing at all about, well, the folks who actually kicked the jerries out of their pesthole)
1473997;1464658460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so dude goes in, wants to buy coppers, which me and n other people tell him to simmer down and figure out the game first ; then spends the next weeks hussling bitcent at a time.
1473998;1464658487;mircea_popescu;his whatever subscription UNEXPECTEDLY ended today, he had no idea this is gonna occur you know, 4 days ago.
1473999;1464658498;asciilifeform;eulora has subscriptions ?!
1474000;1464658506;mircea_popescu;nope.
1474001;1464658510;asciilifeform;then ???
1474002;1464658517;mircea_popescu;i dunno what he was paying, something steam or whatever
1474003;1464658529;asciilifeform;what's it to do with eulora ?!
1474004;1464658534;asciilifeform;what am i missing
1474005;1464658553;mircea_popescu;dude had an unexpected expense in the form of a lapsing subscription, being the idea.
1474006;1464658560;asciilifeform;ah he wanted btc
1474007;1464658573;mircea_popescu;~like "hey, my electricity bill came thursday, i had no idea monday this might occur"
1474008;1464658575;asciilifeform;and ~demanded!1111~ to be fed
1474009;1464658606;asciilifeform;this apparently is an actual thing, some folks were taken down from the trees by mistake, and cannot handle any timed process more complicated than skinning banana
1474010;1464658611;mircea_popescu;"i've never observed these things show up regularly on a monthly schedule befoar"
1474011;1464658644;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1474012;1464658658;mircea_popescu;it's a very "western world" phenomena, roughly half the beatings in half the girls in the first half year have something to do with "i was surprised by X periodic event", usually a bill or w/e
1474013;1464658678;asciilifeform;one would naively imagine that GURLS would have no problem with this !1111
1474014;1464658686;asciilifeform;srsly do they not menstruate.
1474015;1464658695;asciilifeform;does it not behave even approximately as timer.
1474016;1464658711;asciilifeform;or is it, too, 'surprise' ?!
1474017;1464658727;mircea_popescu;honestly i think it's an outgrowth of the "college experience"
1474018;1464658738;asciilifeform;where, what, there is no such thing as semester ?
1474019;1464658759;mircea_popescu;college in teh modern democracy being this roughly speaking featureless insane asylum. getting terms extended becomes then positive attention, and so they start seeking it for lack of anything else more meaningful to seek
1474020;1464658787;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i was in the asylum, it had the seeds of this at the time.
1474021;1464658801;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a) most surpriseful of all surprises b) girls of the age living "alone" ie, not tonsils deep in other girl's cunts don't usually have regular periods.
1474022;1464658807;asciilifeform;but generally folks had to at least feign illness to get terms extended
1474023;1464658826;mircea_popescu;it's a funny if poorly studied phenomenon : much like immunity in young children is mostly herd-based,
1474024;1464658831;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i thought they synced with roommates / officemates
1474025;1464658832;mircea_popescu;period regulation in young females is ALSO herd based.
1474026;1464658842;mircea_popescu;not without biological exchange though.
1474027;1464658849;asciilifeform;there is ~no such thing in usa studentland as 'chick living alone'.
1474028;1464658865;mircea_popescu;think in terms of "hepatitis alone" rather than "influenza alone"
1474029;1464658875;asciilifeform;i thought all they had to do was be in smellin' range.
1474030;1464658888;mircea_popescu;notrly. i think that only works in rats.
1474031;1464658896;mircea_popescu;wearing each other's underwear works though.
1474032;1464658926;asciilifeform;in the kind of close quarters dorm folk live in, they may as well be eating each other's undies.
1474033;1464658937;asciilifeform;(have you ~seen~ the rat pits.)
1474034;1464658937;mircea_popescu;condomsharing (ie, when you enter them alternatively without bothering to change the condom) definitely does.
1474035;1464658942;mircea_popescu;yeah well there's that.
1474036;1464659021;mircea_popescu;i suspect sweat actually is also a major factor ; definitely urine. complicated matter and i'm lazy. let the curious mind run their own studies.
1474037;1464659069;mircea_popescu;neways, this log is long an' the flesh is weak. bbl!
1474038;1464659087;*;asciilifeform also bbl, pet was waiting.
1474039;1464660603;shinohai;https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/fbi-agents-gun-stolen-from-car-in-san-francisco/2016/05/30/113d22c0-26cf-11e6-8329-6104954928d2_story.html   <<< bwahahaha
1474040;1464661653;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> miserably. << But no one joined just to gank your mining barge
1474041;1464662118;trinque;asciilifeform: you are reusing the ID field in your atom feed
1474042;1464662128;trinque;my assumption is that is why posts are missed.
1474043;1464662162;trinque;were that unique as per (iirc) the spec of atom it'd not be skipping posts
1474044;1464662286;trinque;can just put #timestamp on the ID or something if you like
1474045;1464663292;trinque;checked code, ID field indeed. were I to use timestamp, then some asshole would give me two of the same timestamp
1474046;1464663315;trinque;I can either check each field for differences like a retard or just be given an ID that identifies the event, not the thing to which it happened
1474047;1464664173;BingoBoingo;In other old trilema http://trilema.com/2013/the-title-is-in-the-pudding/
1474048;1464665902;asciilifeform;another great oldie: http://trilema.com/2013/the-delusion-of-infrastructure
1474049;1464665949;asciilifeform;'If the herd becomes too loud or too otherwise noticeable in any one place, the people will just move to another place.'
1474050;1464667553;deedbot;[Qntra] Forced Outrage Over Ohio Gorilla Shooting - http://qntra.net/2016/05/forced-outrage-over-ohio-gorilla-shooting/
1474051;1464667691;BingoBoingo;Gorilla not a euphamism
1474052;1464671111;ben_vulpes;holy shit
1474053;1464671135;ben_vulpes;so pediwikia claims that du chatelet is actually the postulator of the total energy constraint?
1474054;1464705137;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
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1474056;1464705359;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what total energy constraint? lagrange's ?
1474057;1464707821;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Getting older’s easier with friends like these. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/31/getting-olders-easier-with-friends-like-these/
1474058;1464711939;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: notionally she derived conservation of energy while translating newton's principia
1474059;1464712120;asciilifeform;waiwut
1474060;1464712296;ben_vulpes;struck me as crazy too
1474061;1464712396;ben_vulpes;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89milie_du_Ch%C3%A2telet#Advocacy_of_kinetic_energy cites http://www.springer.com/us/book/9789400720749
1474062;1464712864;phf;40% of Pycon talks by women!
1474063;1464712925;asciilifeform;phf: lulzily i just met one of these (as part of my official expedition duties)
1474064;1464712930;asciilifeform;she is in there even now.
1474065;1464712949;asciilifeform;i have nfi what happens at a 'pycon' etc.
1474066;1464713087;phf;i went to pycon twice back when guido (and part of Twisted team) were still in dc doing Zope. it was different back then(tm), but i distinctly remember there being "talks by women", not surprisingly of varied quality
1474067;1464713338;ben_vulpes;birds of a feather were the only talks worth the time
1474068;1464713344;ben_vulpes;at least when i went
1474069;1464713360;*;ben_vulpes stumbled into the cool kids room, on the topic of testing
1474070;1464713373;ben_vulpes;bottles of two-hundred dollar scotch just disappearing
1474071;1464713377;ben_vulpes;much swearing
1474072;1464713385;ben_vulpes;much lamenting of bad practices with explicit callouts
1474073;1464713391;ben_vulpes;lots of jocular name calling
1474074;1464714595;deedbot;[Qntra] Self Propagating Ransomware Arrives - http://qntra.net/2016/05/self-propagating-ransomware-arrives/
1474075;1464715655;asciilifeform;i went to a total of 1 tech-themed con, shmoocon, and it was a pathetic waste of time
1474076;1464715669;asciilifeform;(as reported in the l0gz in real time...)
1474077;1464716304;asciilifeform;did we ever do this (now vintage) lul? https://medium.com/@taliajane/an-open-letter-to-my-ceo-fb73df021e7a#.79otiy1lk << chick wrote this and was fired, caused media splash which i as always slept through, but it is entertaining
1474078;1464716315;asciilifeform;read like mircea_popescu wrath fodder
1474079;1464717007;BingoBoingo;"Maybe instead, you can help set up something to allow Eat24/Yelp employees to get food from local food banks and soup kitchens? I’m pretty proficient at rice, but some hot soup would sure make up for not being able to afford to use my heater." Why wasn't the bitch availing herself of this?
1474080;1464717556;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: more interesting question, what of the 'gold mine between her legs' ?
1474081;1464717566;asciilifeform;down for maintenance ? or wut.
1474082;1464717586;BingoBoingo;Have you googled her pictures? Not even a lead mine.
1474083;1464717592;asciilifeform;link?
1474084;1464717592;trinque;who's going to pay in the broke-ass valley anyway
1474085;1464717594;*;asciilifeform lazy
1474086;1464717600;trinque;does cunt take stock options?
1474087;1464717607;asciilifeform;trinque: the folks payin' $10k/mo for a 1room flat ?
1474088;1464717638;asciilifeform;trinque: it can take plutonium if it wants
1474089;1464717658;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Just google her name
1474090;1464717678;phf;well, conference scene's been taken over particularly hard by the usual suspects. it was mildly useful back in 2005, because you could get a face to face, or a beer session, with useful people. for example at pycon i got to spend time with the entire twisted team, which was at a rear end of me trying to grok their stack, so i had a lot of very productive learning sessions
1474091;1464717683;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: hey she has a face!
1474092;1464717688;asciilifeform;whatsyerproblem.
1474093;1464717706;BingoBoingo;But myspace angles, proceed with caution.
1474094;1464717716;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wat's that mean
1474095;1464717757;BingoBoingo;You know. The camera tricks split finned cetceans use on dating sites to appear human like.
1474096;1464717793;trinque;she does not look to be starving
1474097;1464717812;asciilifeform;i have nfi
1474098;1464717820;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: not everywhere is infested like midwest
1474099;1464717845;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: But where did her Enlish majorness go to San Francisco from?
1474100;1464717851;asciilifeform;just like not whole usa costs like tokyo, as the west does, or is full of politicos, as the east is
1474101;1464717886;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: nfi. this detail is not to be found in linked piece.
1474102;1464717936;BingoBoingo;She's a transplant to the bay area failing to afford it. Likely a female to mayo transgender with asperzorsations of leaving Ohio behind.
1474103;1464717950;asciilifeform;dunno, looks like a wholly serviceable chik.
1474104;1464717976;BingoBoingo;Not enough information to safely determine that.
1474105;1464717990;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you can always weigh her prior to assigning a berth
1474106;1464717991;asciilifeform;no ?
1474107;1464718085;BingoBoingo;O just make a snap judgment and pass. That CVS prolly at least has a hawt-ish cashier somewhere.
1474108;1464718112;trinque;gonna take a lot of mircea_popescutronium to cure the entitlement, face or no face
1474109;1464718321;asciilifeform;in unrelated nyooz, found spiffy game, http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100
1474110;1464718527;trinque;It’s the assembly language programming game you never asked for! << lol
1474111;1464719586;asciilifeform;'I’ve since stopped using my heater. Have you ever slept fully clothed under several blankets just so you don’t get a cold and have to miss work? Have you ever drank a liter of water before going to bed so you could fall asleep without waking up a few hours later with stomach pains because the last time you ate was at work? I woke up today with stomach pains. I made myself a bowl of rice.' << wtf
1474112;1464719592;asciilifeform;^ what happened to BECOMING A PET ?
1474113;1464719616;asciilifeform;chick is 25 yo
1474114;1464719712;asciilifeform;this is sorta like if you met a bloke who is starving, cold, etc. but has gold brick.
1474115;1464719716;asciilifeform;that he won't part with.
1474116;1464719734;asciilifeform;more so, even.
1474117;1464719818;BingoBoingo;But how much does she eat at work?
1474118;1464719841;deedbot;[Qntra] Former Governors Johnson And Weld Compose US Libertarian Party Ticket - http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/
1474119;1464719873;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/#comment-60104
1474120;1464719931;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/#comment-60105
1474121;1464720126;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474108 << how do you mean, trinque ?
1474122;1464720126;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 18:08 trinque: gonna take a lot of mircea_popescutronium to cure the entitlement, face or no face
1474123;1464720144;asciilifeform;iirc you have a pet dog. how do you live with his 'sense of entitlement' to his food dish ?
1474124;1464720405;ben_vulpes;trinque: has cats
1474125;1464720407;ben_vulpes;or should i say
1474126;1464720410;ben_vulpes;they have him
1474127;1464720430;asciilifeform;ah so then.
1474128;1464720433;asciilifeform;even more applicable.
1474129;1464720451;asciilifeform;think of the gurl as a large bipedal cat.
1474130;1464720490;BingoBoingo;But does girl slay mice?
1474131;1464720543;asciilifeform;depends!
1474132;1464720559;asciilifeform;how big are your mice. how strong - the cat.
1474133;1464720563;asciilifeform;etc.
1474134;1464720600;asciilifeform;and also your budget.
1474135;1464720650;asciilifeform;for instance, i'm about to buy moar display. it will be an lcd. but if mircea_popescu buys another display, it won't be lcd, it'll be a thing where a gurl flips pixels manually.
1474136;1464720667;ben_vulpes;i think the 'entitlement' to which trinque refers is a specific set of attitudes common to 'millenials'.
1474137;1464720720;ben_vulpes;a friend of mine recently broke up with his girl of 4+ years, and i realized during conversation about his new dating adventures and the kinds of women he was encountering that i would have patience for approximately zero reeducation at this point in my life.
1474138;1464720773;BingoBoingo;Anyways if mice are too big, blast the cat with some Tren. Cat is just a smaller racehorse that's already clued in on protein.
1474139;1464720979;trinque;ben_vulpes: left the cats with ex but yes
1474140;1464720983;trinque;precisely that.
1474141;1464721006;ben_vulpes;but at 18, 22, it was less onerous
1474142;1464721010;ben_vulpes;also i had all the time in the world
1474143;1464721056;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: can haz detailz?
1474144;1464721078;asciilifeform;and what is this 'millenial disease' thing, i'm not convinced that it is a thing.
1474145;1464721116;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: 'tikkun olam'
1474146;1464721132;asciilifeform;the judaic 'build the world' thing ?
1474147;1464721133;asciilifeform;explain?
1474148;1464721136;ben_vulpes;healing the world
1474149;1464721158;ben_vulpes;that the world cannot be made better
1474150;1464721181;ben_vulpes;that the socialist call for us all to put our shoulders to the grindstone to make the world a better place only taxes those who work to benefit those who don't
1474151;1464721211;ben_vulpes;that i care not one whit to spread my meager energy across the vast faceless mass of other people, but would rather concentrate it on these few that i actually like
1474152;1464721215;asciilifeform;what sort of women was ben_vulpes's friend turning up ?
1474153;1464721231;ben_vulpes;"if we all just X then the world would be better!"
1474154;1464721234;ben_vulpes;"solve poverty!"
1474155;1464721240;ben_vulpes;"end global warming"
1474156;1464721256;ben_vulpes;"stop corporations"
1474157;1464721262;ben_vulpes;endemic us braindamage
1474158;1464721266;asciilifeform;young chix are programmable, they would just as happily 'great is the prophet muhammad' if born elsewhere.
1474159;1464721270;trinque;I work 30hrs a week doing something not economically useful yet bitch to my Yelp CEO that I am not paid a 'living wage' in a city ever less hospitable to life generally
1474160;1464721279;trinque;economically, environmentally, so on
1474161;1464721287;trinque;but whatever, I am "working" so deserve "living"
1474162;1464721288;trinque;because I am here
1474163;1464721298;trinque;asciilifeform: sure that is so
1474164;1464721299;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: i enjoy the company of adults, not children
1474165;1464721301;asciilifeform;trinque: that was the mega-mystery in the linked article
1474166;1464721304;trinque;I do not wish to deprogram them of their muhammed
1474167;1464721316;asciilifeform;trinque: i, for instance, hesitate to set foot in san fran even as tourist !
1474168;1464721316;ben_vulpes;who've seen, experienced, breathed
1474169;1464721323;asciilifeform;trinque: because expensive and because why.
1474170;1464721357;asciilifeform;trinque: what's the alternative? only date chix born and raised in #t ?
1474171;1464721360;trinque;the fact that these people are literally sucking california dry is no wonderment to me
1474172;1464721366;trinque;asciilifeform: fucking hell yeah.
1474173;1464721368;trinque;:D
1474174;1464721371;asciilifeform;lel
1474175;1464721393;trinque;chick I'm seeing actually you know, likes men
1474176;1464721393;ben_vulpes;keep sifting through the haystack, apparently.
1474177;1464721397;trinque;and didn't have to be taught to
1474178;1464721413;trinque;my dating strategy up til meeting her was to reject early, reject often
1474179;1464721442;asciilifeform;eh iirc mircea_popescu flies these in and reprogramms them to spec in days.
1474180;1464721465;asciilifeform;(using various whippy, stretchy hardware)
1474181;1464721550;ben_vulpes;did you just proffer a pineapple?
1474182;1464721583;asciilifeform;broomstick!111
1474183;1464721591;ben_vulpes;"on dirigible, there is fantastic seat!"
1474184;1464721623;asciilifeform;hey, when the man is asleep ~somebody~'s gotta proffer the pineapple!111
1474185;1464721673;ben_vulpes;he enjoys the reprogramming.
1474186;1464721675;trinque;no problem with bdsm here but it's entirely not my thing.
1474187;1464721689;ben_vulpes;i like machines that work out of the box.
1474188;1464721691;trinque;^
1474189;1464721729;ben_vulpes;lord knows i don't get that at $dayjob
1474190;1464721740;phf;none do, a working machine ~always~ has signs of its master's works
1474191;1464721747;asciilifeform;^
1474192;1464721749;trinque;yeah, like its parents...
1474193;1464721770;ben_vulpes;i have tuned this mill to my liking.
1474194;1464721773;ben_vulpes;it took quite some time.
1474195;1464721784;ben_vulpes;i would rather cut metal than spend my days tuning lathes.
1474196;1464721787;trinque;that one can reprogram them doesn't invalidate the fact that having to do so is a sign that your culture's not producing functioning adults
1474197;1464721791;ben_vulpes;yes, requires ongoing tuning.
1474198;1464721799;ben_vulpes;but not assembly from scratch and full bed truement.
1474199;1464721814;ben_vulpes;also i regularly go out of spec
1474200;1464721870;asciilifeform;trinque: the last time the west produced functioning adults was prolly pre-ww2.
1474201;1464721873;asciilifeform;and most of'em died.
1474202;1464721979;trinque;plenty of kids raised with ass whippings in texas still
1474203;1464722008;asciilifeform;as if that were the only item.
1474204;1464722095;phf;ass whipped because don't love jesus enough? ;)
1474205;1464722137;trinque;yes, I can be a contrarian too.
1474206;1464722138;trinque;:P
1474207;1464722236;trinque;on that subject, asciilifeform fix your feed or stop bitching
1474208;1464722240;trinque;the ID is supposed to be unique
1474209;1464722320;asciilifeform;trinque: unique how
1474210;1464722325;asciilifeform;monotonically increasing ?
1474211;1464722362;trinque;just one string of whatever per entry in feed
1474212;1464722374;trinque;in RSS it's actually called GUID
1474213;1464722657;asciilifeform;trinque: care to hazard a guess why it works 100% on kako's feed ?
1474214;1464722687;trinque;because he is not relying on the ID field being unique to determine whether he's seen an entry
1474215;1464722699;asciilifeform;and you are ? why ?
1474216;1464722729;trinque;because the spec says it's unique
1474217;1464723195;phf;i wrote a bunch of rss tooling and dealing with non-unique ids is a bitch. i usually hash entry for entries with blank ids, and return that as key.
1474218;1464723234;phf;but you also have to account of all kinds of other spec violations. like having non-blank ids that are also non-unique
1474219;1464723245;asciilifeform;the whole pile of shit is loathesome
1474220;1464723258;asciilifeform;or, for instance, the fact that datetime has NO DEFAULT string representation
1474221;1464723259;phf;or my favorite, ids that follow some magical internal logic
1474222;1464723261;asciilifeform;or any of it
1474223;1464723295;deedbot;[Qntra] Microsoft, Google, And Facebook Partner With EU On Censorship Effort - http://qntra.net/2016/05/microsoft-google-and-facebook-partner-with-eu-on-censorship-effort/
1474224;1464723332;phf;asciilifeform: apropos, i remained surprised you reject naggum's suggestion to iso everywhere
1474225;1464723344;asciilifeform;phf: i reject breaking working shit for no reason.
1474226;1464723395;phf;so your rants only apply to log, and not universally?
1474227;1464723398;asciilifeform;aha.
1474228;1464723403;asciilifeform;and in several different ways.
1474229;1464723413;asciilifeform;for instance, i used to be able to read the log by hitting 'reload'
1474230;1464723414;asciilifeform;and now i can't.
1474231;1464723424;asciilifeform;for no good reason that i know of.
1474232;1464723435;asciilifeform;will prolly end up writing own log viewer, at this rate.
1474233;1464723450;asciilifeform;my notion of what proper log is seems to be screamingly in conflict with phf's.
1474234;1464723468;asciilifeform;which is fine. it will be good to have 2.
1474235;1464723480;phf;it's not, you're just impatient and short fused
1474236;1464723486;asciilifeform;that also.
1474237;1464723671;phf;reload particularly needs to be fixed, and it's perhaps 5 lines of code, but requires dropping one large context, and lifting another to do it intentionally. as is whatever fixes done to log str result of background radiation noise like effects of my brain, "i suddenly remember relevant bits, and here's the solution, go write it down"
1474238;1464723737;trinque;phf: right, I would prefer not to account for spec violations
1474239;1464723743;trinque;as per "not breaking shit that works"
1474240;1464723778;trinque;obviously here I'm just using some guy's python rss module; while I can go break that to behave, not what I prefer
1474241;1464723796;asciilifeform;trinque: i implemented as per your recipe, it ought to work now ?
1474242;1464723797;trinque;I'll make no argument that RSS is sane, only that it has a definition
1474243;1464723801;trinque;asciilifeform: yes
1474244;1464723835;trinque;ID field will be unique per new RSS entry?
1474245;1464723838;asciilifeform;aha.
1474246;1464723841;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo <li-wen@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D
1474247;1464723841;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 904359116964408528249771 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76
1474248;1464723841;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5152364623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Todd A. Outten <outten@kerner.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A07FCCF0D46AC8B25EB8F0982629537817E0CEA47BCC6C8B800A06F4F4647160
1474249;1464723841;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5391673272318505738681 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lou Anschuetz <lou@ece.cmu.edu>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BE6D699C631055360A2B55CD6AAEBAAC1C91F872E97936AC73A1790F694079B
1474250;1464723842;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6433499730848081819420299501665455 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (GnuPG) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital <shavital@netvision.net.il>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC32D34833DC18D609ED6D8877435EE51A4C49DB57A71C30745379E23315C237
1474251;1464723842;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 18304605847198678287025017798807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Torsten Ennenbach <torsten.ennenbach@set-sign.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5CF9F50DDA50E86A049276CCC0AE37415FB5B761B5E586D2C0C6D079AFB9BCD
1474252;1464723843;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 425857281888973630681646539592035 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert J. Hansen; Robert J. Hansen <rjh@sixdemonbag.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/308C79ED32BB1D28E5F59EC4ADB2E56B1ED16614D3B4C737238FC3D169AF94B0
1474253;1464723843;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1053324101 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Niel Ambroz <niel.ambroz@ucw.cz>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F4414C79945FFC7B74189D650F0F50DE2A2091A0B09A532FBF63726E52980316
1474254;1464723844;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 966294365422826766871777762130727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76
1474255;1464723844;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4046866294898554649891 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin M. Stoppler <martin@stoppler.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC
1474256;1464723848;asciilifeform;i made it a hash of everything including epochal time.
1474257;1464723861;asciilifeform;let the barf flow.
1474258;1464723863;trinque;lol
1474259;1464723865;trinque;ty
1474260;1464723891;*;BingoBoingo awaits hash collision
1474261;1464723908;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plenty of hashes in there to collide
1474262;1464723913;asciilifeform;e.g., the gpgkey hash
1474263;1464723919;trinque;life is pain (TM) (R)
1474264;1464723935;asciilifeform;i never really liked the idea of a hash.
1474265;1464723937;asciilifeform;it is a dodge.
1474266;1464723952;asciilifeform;a device based largely on wishful thinking.
1474267;1464723967;asciilifeform;eventually all interesting hashes will collide (have collided)
1474268;1464723987;asciilifeform;when the process is sped up artificially we call it a break,
1474269;1464724001;asciilifeform;but how is blind luck collision less of a problem ?
1474270;1464724010;asciilifeform;this is 'minsky's dark room' all over again.
1474271;1464724181;Framedragger;asciilifeform: couldn't you use an argument of a similar form to say that e.g. AES depends on luck? (2^256 keyspace of luck, for example..)
1474272;1464724205;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not only it does, but likewise has unknown weak key space
1474273;1464724232;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you weren't here for the 'symmetric crypto other than otp is snake oil' thread. get thee to the logz.
1474274;1464724234;Framedragger;aha, then i guess you don't really enjoy the fact that gpg uses aes for session key actually? :)
1474275;1464724239;Framedragger;oh man
1474276;1464724243;Framedragger;so much opinion
1474277;1464724247;asciilifeform;Framedragger: quite certainly no one enjoys.
1474278;1464724260;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it isn't an opinion, it is a statement of iron fact, like 2+2==4.
1474279;1464724277;Framedragger;2+2==4 only holds under boring algebras
1474280;1464724278;asciilifeform;not a single symmetric cipher other than otp has ever been proven to be worth a sparrow's fart.
1474281;1464724279;Framedragger;*runs*
1474282;1464724356;asciilifeform;Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-02#1394086 << start of the conversation
1474283;1464724356;a111;Logged on 2016-02-02 15:58 ascii_butugychag: anybody got a favourite symmetric cipher, incidentally ?
1474284;1464724414;Framedragger;i'll take a look, thanks..
1474285;1464724458;asciilifeform;Framedragger: also we had http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-04#1396562
1474286;1464724458;a111;Logged on 2016-02-04 19:27 deedbot-: [Trilema] B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition - http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/
1474287;1464724470;asciilifeform;(see also contextual thread)
1474288;1464724490;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah, you could also just put an incrementing integer in there.
1474289;1464724499;asciilifeform;trinque: wouldn't work.
1474290;1464724504;asciilifeform;because i would have to save it somewhere
1474291;1464724507;asciilifeform;and never lose it
1474292;1464724516;trinque;the phuctoring events don't have an ID on your end?
1474293;1464724520;asciilifeform;nope.
1474294;1464724529;asciilifeform;they only have the bare essentials, a what and a when.
1474295;1464724561;asciilifeform;i could, say, shit out the index used by the db internally - but then i'd be married to that db
1474296;1464724564;asciilifeform;and wtf why omfg.
1474297;1464724568;asciilifeform;retarded wwwisms.
1474298;1464724610;asciilifeform;also why the fuck should i reveal to world where and in what order shit is in my db.
1474299;1464724613;phf;( asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/ )
1474300;1464724632;asciilifeform;phf: spiffy, appears to work !
1474301;1464724651;asciilifeform;ty phf .
1474302;1464724657;phf;yw
1474303;1464724678;phf;more bitching on my part than actual work. literally two lines..
1474304;1464724687;asciilifeform;very neat. srsly.
1474305;1464724706;trinque;fap
1474306;1464724721;*;trinque makes phone bookmark
1474307;1464724765;phf;can also do #eob to get to end of page
1474308;1464724796;phf;makes the whole last=> redundant, since it'll always be http://btcbase.org/log/#eob
1474309;1464724805;asciilifeform;~now~ we're cookin'!
1474310;1464725475;phf;i got rid of last=> and added "log" link to search bar, that takes you to /log/ as convenience, which also addresses http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457428 speak now or..
1474311;1464725475;a111;Logged on 2016-04-25 19:25 pete_dushenski: phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ?
1474312;1464725506;*;asciilifeform likes phf's l0gz as they now appear.
1474313;1464725574;asciilifeform;my 1 remaining wishlist item would be something like a nightly (weekly?) tarball of the whole log shebang.
1474314;1464725586;asciilifeform;supposing phf ever has the time to make such a thing.
1474315;1464725713;phf;kk
1474316;1464725751;trinque;I'd use the same to deed teh logz
1474317;1464726879;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20160531005770/en/Time-Confirms-Breach-Myspace << for yer lulz collection
1474318;1464726879;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474319;1464727063;shinohai;^ I was gonna do a Qntra on that since it ties into my last article on teh guy, but lazy today.
1474320;1464727294;BingoBoingo;shinohai: write it up
1474321;1464727763;shinohai;may as well BingoBoingo hang tite
1474322;1464727778;BingoBoingo;You've got time
1474323;1464728101;BingoBoingo;brb
1474324;1464729442;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/NjF
1474325;1464729443;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474326;1464735657;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/faq << lightly massaged.
1474327;1464735657;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474328;1464735887;trinque;How cool is that Hanno Böck dude ? << bwahahaha
1474329;1464737370;shinohai;https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/737786025750200320   <<< no WoT needed. mircea_popescu has mislead us all /s
1474330;1464737614;shinohai;Judging from the flurry of messages I'm getting I think I triggered someone.
1474331;1464742822;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-June/000224.html
1474332;1464743662;shinohai;Fast work there mod6 ... isn't even midnight yet >.<
1474333;1464743943;phf;shinohai: gj, in ru we say "хомячки закопошились" that is "hamsters are stirring up"
1474334;1464744165;shinohai;lol. I haven't thought of hamsters in ages.
1474335;1464744600;mod6;ha, thanks man.
1474336;1464744608;mod6;it's about 01:30 gmt tho
1474337;1464744862;shinohai;True.
1474338;1464750990;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Infinity shades of solar, an erotic analysis. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/31/infinity-shades-of-solar-an-erotic-analysis/
1474339;1464751242;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474310 << cheers!
1474340;1464751242;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 20:11 phf: i got rid of last=> and added "log" link to search bar, that takes you to /log/ as convenience, which also addresses http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457428 speak now or..
1474341;1464751302;pete_dushenski;whining really does work
1474342;1464751410;deedbot;I only respond to gifts of booze and women.
1474343;1464751435;pete_dushenski;http://qntra.net/2016/05/darkode-member-sentenced/ << could use a link to http://qntra.net/2015/07/darkode-goes-dark-members-charged-as-cybercriminals/ , BingoBoingo, shinohai, etc.
1474344;1464751510;pete_dushenski;i too, deedbot, apparently respond well to gifts of booze. and how.
1474345;1464751581;pete_dushenski;just when i thought i'd be working my way up in years and find myself unable to handle the rigours of hard partying, i wake up sunday morning to find that i feel bloody fantastic and sore only from having worked out the day before.
1474346;1464751590;pete_dushenski;take that father time.
1474347;1464751630;pete_dushenski;speaking of getting old, hey danielpbarron, mind dropping this to @jackbaruth ? http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/02/baruth-skips-truth-or-when-jack-went-whack/
1474348;1464751708;pete_dushenski;doubt he'll answer directly, but let there be no mistake that he's been intentionally directed to that little dig.
1474349;1464751753;pete_dushenski;fucken eh this greek yogurt is the bomb. screw all the 0% fat hippies. 11% or fuck off.
1474350;1464752816;danielpbarron;pete_dushenski, done.
1474351;1464752828;pete_dushenski;ty!
1474352;1464753944;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo props for being so on your game lately. every time i've seen something remotely bitcoin-related elsewhere on the net lately, i see that qntra already had it covered. liking the terseness atm too.
1474353;1464758048;BingoBoingo;ty
1474354;1464759462;deedbot;[Qntra] Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2016 Report - http://qntra.net/2016/06/qntra-s-qntr-may-2016-report/
1474355;1464759582;deedbot;[Qntra] Social Media Warrior Follows LinkedIn Hack With MySpace Hack - http://qntra.net/2016/06/social-media-warrior-follows-linkedin-hack-with-myspace-hack/
1474356;1464761636;pete_dushenski;http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/05/paris-is-banning-cars-built-before-1997/484895/ << or why davout ~really~ left the stinky tourist traps behind.
1474357;1464761650;pete_dushenski;and with that, i bid ye all bon nuit.
1474358;1464764120;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1474359;1464764129;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 533.31, vol: 12418.16647760 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 517.222, vol: 10519.99461 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 532.26, vol: 49760.11601346 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 1.82928901 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 543.232375, vol: 63239.94720000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 531.0, vol: 3002.40188254 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 517.127325, vol: 97.8838307 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1474360;1464764190;BingoBoingo;;;more
1474361;1464764191;gribble;536.167687602
1474362;1464764399;BingoBoingo;RIP Spread
1474363;1464776002;*;mircea_popescu waves
1474364;1464776009;mircea_popescu;lol gribble deluges.
1474365;1464776202;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform looking good.
1474366;1464776216;mircea_popescu;maybe credits should be its own entry on the top bar ? minor point tho
1474367;1464776497;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473683 << this is a deeply idiotic measurement. what you can't find me is a nigger that's happy with his life. that's the fucking criteria.
1474368;1464776497;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:50 asciilifeform: for instance, even mircea_popescu does not seem to be able to find me a phuctor box that will stay up
1474369;1464776561;mircea_popescu;that obama is going around in cheap suits and gets more crowded at dinner than your average 1916 workman is the fucking criteria.
1474370;1464776624;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473695 << hey, word.
1474371;1464776625;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:56 diana_coman: life costs quite a lot in itself and the more elaborate you make it basically, the higher the cost, of course
1474372;1464776645;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473696 << and it will.... yet again.... not work.... and the egg will "not be on face"... and etc.
1474373;1464776645;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 15:56 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36412487 << buterin's waterfall to extinguish rising exchange rate just in time !
1474374;1464776665;mircea_popescu;for all the "cost to us", seems teh cost to you is so far minimal eh! just point an' laugh!
1474375;1464776899;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473708 << note that renaissance happened roughly speaking in the sense that a bunch of bloggers, pico & co, who had developed both their taste and knowledge in a blogging sense strictly stumbled upon a cache of "things you call books today much in the way you'll call them blogs shorty - they were rolls though" which held their own ;
1474376;1464776899;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 17:45 phf: there will be no great library of tmsr, but on the other hand no accumulation and exchange of amulets and fetishes of knowledge, because the last can be subverted in all kinds of ways we've seen already.
1474377;1464776944;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473709 << more importantly, books are fucking dumb in a structural, unyielding manner very similar to how classical antiquity was dumb in 1400 : no proper conception of theology then ; no proper conception of humanity now.
1474378;1464776944;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 17:49 phf: pre-80s hard bounds as a source of knowledge is a here and now sort of source, same way as pre-2005 amds, etc. not only is it a limited source, it is also unstable. a year from now, we're going to see all the fullstack developers switching to "classics library", and buying up last-known-prints on ebay for +++ bezzle dollars on ebay
1474379;1464777000;mircea_popescu;you can't find a book that's not informed by either a christian or socialist notion of theosophy. neither of these are intellectually acceptable, or even digestible. the dumb will have to be washed off books before they may be instruments of human thought again. asciilifeform does not feel this because he insists on only reading an (insignificant) fraction, math is math eh.
1474380;1464777192;mircea_popescu;the fate of humanity is to be this endless rat in an endless baited maze. we can't, even as we sit and mourn the dead muroid next, stuff own gullet with the same fucking pellets, now can we.
1474381;1464777234;mircea_popescu;western civilisation died (again) because of its shitty books (again). not in spite of them, not unrelatedly, nothing else - BECAUSE the books were bad. it's poisoned and killed us and that comes with a fucking smithing the likes of which has never been seen
1474382;1464777242;mircea_popescu;not, at least, since THE LAST FUCKING TIME THEY DID THIS.
1474383;1464778248;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473712 << so then what do you want.
1474384;1464778248;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 17:55 asciilifeform: and yes, the ~cultural institutions~ that produced my library, are dead as dodo.
1474385;1464778259;mircea_popescu;"the lamp's not dead, just the mains is". mmmkay. long live the cold lamp.
1474386;1464778384;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473728 << i suspect this is why television ended up shit. argentines love it!
1474387;1464778384;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 18:05 asciilifeform: and i imagine it must suck to be the owner of a real airplane landed on cargo cult island, it will promptly be ripped apart for parts to decorate straw planes the moment you look away
1474388;1464778401;mircea_popescu;if you knew your plane would end up on cargo cult island anywya, would you bother with anything serious ?
1474389;1464778430;mircea_popescu;that's how cars ended up with a dollop of hot plastic on top. "suv"s my foot. it's just ldks, for "locals don't know shit"
1474390;1464778600;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473729 << this was so common in romania (for some reason romanians were even MORE crazy book-militant than the ru), that a) there was a state-sponsored, official "books" edition/complete library (called "biblioteca pentru toti"). cheap paperbacks, fixed format made to fit preexisting standard shelving, decent antologies of reasonable titles. this was like you know, the prole version of "it's
1474391;1464778600;mircea_popescu; ok, you may live, you have books". some were even read actually.
1474392;1464778600;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 18:05 phf: no, but i've seen some extensive libraries in apparatchik homes that i know for a fact nobody read
1474393;1464778668;mircea_popescu;and b) all sorts of "required" items for the you know, "upper crust" which every aparatchick aspired to parvene to. they were rather meticulous, effectual sorts of people, and well informed, and consequently if you visited (which was common) and someone asked, "so what books does he have ?" you'd answer "everything." and they'd know what you meant.
1474394;1464778705;mircea_popescu;i don't think they had actually figured out by the end of the 80s that "everything" is a bad sort of books to have.
1474395;1464778978;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473738 <<< my dear man. over one thousand gallons ?! think for a moment, the floating deathstar was burning a gallon every other second ? how did you stand the heat ?
1474396;1464778978;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 18:09 phf: apparently those things are really expensive to run. i used to go on potomac with Georgetown liesure boat crowd, and short, 1-2 hour runs, would cost ~~3k in gas, and that was 8-10 years ago
1474397;1464779364;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474047 << thanks you two, now i'm lost in reading old trilema o.O
1474398;1464779364;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 03:09 BingoBoingo: In other old trilema http://trilema.com/2013/the-title-is-in-the-pudding/
1474399;1464779484;shinohai;wb Herr Popescu
1474400;1464779521;shinohai;;;later tell pete_dushenski I'll see if BB can correct said oversight, thanks!
1474401;1464779522;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474402;1464779725;mircea_popescu;how goes ?
1474403;1464779824;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474053 << lmao check it out, napoleon iii pretension lives through the colonies! which are illiterate still!
1474404;1464779824;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 05:05 ben_vulpes: so pediwikia claims that du chatelet is actually the postulator of the total energy constraint?
1474405;1464780371;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474078 << notrly, lost interest after unknown addressed "her ceo" as "jeremy". they're obviously misrepresenting their private relationship, and i have no interest in participating in the banal scenes of fat anglo derps.
1474406;1464780371;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 17:38 asciilifeform: read like mircea_popescu wrath fodder
1474407;1464780424;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474087 << looky here, people depositing their "10k usd coupon" from the employer with real estate bezzletron aren't buying anything or paying anything.
1474408;1464780424;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 18:00 asciilifeform: trinque: the folks payin' $10k/mo for a 1room flat ?
1474409;1464780451;mircea_popescu;when communism ended they gave the herd "coupons" to "privatize" the various busnesses by "subscription". the process of "subscribing" these coupons made nobody an investor.
1474410;1464787451;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1YZ90BF
1474411;1464787452;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474412;1464789739;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474264 << that's nice, but doesn't the beloved cramer-shoup also use hashes? their scheme, to quote, "requires a universal one-way hash function"
1474413;1464789739;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:45 asciilifeform: i never really liked the idea of a hash.
1474414;1464789762;Framedragger;though a "hash-free variant" appears to be possible, so maybe there's that; need to check.
1474415;1464789846;Framedragger;(their "proof of security" assumes the hash function is truly one-way)
1474416;1464789925;Framedragger;(heh they even suggest sha-1 for the hash function, though this is from an olden paper, so.)
1474417;1464789997;Framedragger;(their "hybrid implementation" assumes a good symmetric-key cipher..)
1474418;1464790006;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there is a hash-free variant.
1474419;1464790026;asciilifeform;Framedragger: but i ought to emphasize for n00bs, cramer-shoup is merely the healthiest horse at this glue factory.
1474420;1464790050;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah i've got to that section, interesting, gonna slowly parse it
1474421;1464790065;Framedragger;any particular preferences on your part asciilifeform ?
1474422;1464790067;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-26#1415708
1474423;1464790067;a111;Logged on 2016-02-26 01:34 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2016#1415667 << it appears to have been the first (and to date, only other in public) system that is immune to chosen-ciphertext crapolade
1474424;1464790078;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you still don't get it, do you
1474425;1464790092;asciilifeform;c-s beats rsa only in that it is provably resistant to chosen-ciphertext attack
1474426;1464790094;Framedragger;please no appeals to teh coming empire
1474427;1464790102;asciilifeform;and hence does not require voodoo games with 'padding' etc.
1474428;1464790129;asciilifeform;it STILL, just like all other publicly known asymmetric cryptosystems, relies on a mathematical trap door of UNPROVEN hardness.
1474429;1464790130;Framedragger;that's fair. ok. i assume you don't think much of OAEP (i see it mentioned in the logz but only just)
1474430;1464790135;asciilifeform;nope.
1474431;1464790138;asciilifeform;it sucks donkey balls.
1474432;1464790155;asciilifeform;(and i will add that no public implementation wrote it correctly, either.)
1474433;1464790216;asciilifeform;an adult asymmetric (or symmetric, for that matter) cryptosystem would rely on a mathematical problem of PROVEN complexity class (e.g., np-complete)
1474434;1464790264;asciilifeform;i personally dug up every publicly accessible resource i could think of, where such a unicorn might live, and found none.
1474435;1464790326;asciilifeform;all we have is a) otp, trivially proven to be impenetrable, high school level exercise b) everything else, being snake oils of varying degrees of toxicity, with c-s being the least noxious known to me presently.
1474436;1464790364;asciilifeform;understand that the 'hardness' of all known (and perhaps even any possible) hashes is just as unproven as that of, e.g., aes.
1474437;1464790382;asciilifeform;it is purely an exercise in 'this stumps me, ergo it is cryptographically hard'
1474438;1464790397;Framedragger;yeah i know the latter, i thought there were additional reasons for preferring c-s here. ok.
1474439;1464790413;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is merely a variant of elgamal
1474440;1464790419;asciilifeform;but with this twist.
1474441;1464790520;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474367 << mircea_popescu pounded in this nail, yes
1474442;1464790520;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 10:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473683 << this is a deeply idiotic measurement. what you can't find me is a nigger that's happy with his life. that's the fucking criteria.
1474443;1464790604;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474379 << i never said to preserve the christian crapola or any other other astrologies.
1474444;1464790604;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 10:30 mircea_popescu: you can't find a book that's not informed by either a christian or socialist notion of theosophy. neither of these are intellectually acceptable, or even digestible. the dumb will have to be washed off books before they may be instruments of human thought again. asciilifeform does not feel this because he insists on only reading an (insignificant) fraction, math is math eh.
1474445;1464790635;*;asciilifeform read quite a few things but KEEPS AROUND only the thing worth keeping around...
1474446;1464790681;Framedragger;asciilifeform: hmh i guess https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle%E2%80%93Hellman_knapsack_cryptosystem is np-complete, pity it's broken
1474447;1464790686;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474390 << these are 'books' in the same sense that american 'house' is a house, etc.
1474448;1464790686;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 10:56 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473729 << this was so common in romania (for some reason romanians were even MORE crazy book-militant than the ru), that a) there was a state-sponsored, official "books" edition/complete library (called "biblioteca pentru toti"). cheap paperbacks, fixed format made to fit preexisting standard shelving, decent antologies of reasonable titles. this was like you know, the prol
1474449;1464790710;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if it's broken, it ain't a cryptosystem now it. in that SOLVING it doesn't prove p==np for fuck's sake.
1474450;1464790720;asciilifeform;THINK ABOUT IT
1474451;1464790725;Framedragger;child the fuck down
1474452;1464790728;Framedragger;*chill
1474453;1464790738;Framedragger;but of course, true.
1474454;1464790742;asciilifeform;aha.
1474455;1464790782;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474405 << in small american co it is typical for everyone, from ceo to mute mexican janitor, to be 'first-named'
1474456;1464790783;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 11:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474078 << notrly, lost interest after unknown addressed "her ceo" as "jeremy". they're obviously misrepresenting their private relationship, and i have no interest in participating in the banal scenes of fat anglo derps.
1474457;1464790821;asciilifeform;and yes, this was not so in 1940, or perhaps even 1970, but was so through my whole working life.
1474458;1464790862;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474407 << now this is true.
1474459;1464790862;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 11:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474087 << looky here, people depositing their "10k usd coupon" from the employer with real estate bezzletron aren't buying anything or paying anything.
1474460;1464791018;asciilifeform;from this thread we get a trivial definition of adult cryptosystem: provably unbreakable unless complexity classes collapse.
1474461;1464791028;asciilifeform;(not that otp is unbreakable even in ~this~ case.)
1474462;1464791032;asciilifeform;*note that!
1474463;1464791046;asciilifeform;note that otp is unbreakable even in ~this~ case.)
1474464;1464791075;asciilifeform;this is - so far - a null set.
1474465;1464791094;Framedragger;not to rain on the parade (not that i could), but isn't it possible such a thing won't ever be found? http://stackoverflow.com/a/3654889
1474466;1464791100;asciilifeform;entirely possible!
1474467;1464791120;asciilifeform;universe didn't ship with a warranty
1474468;1464791157;asciilifeform;it is even possible that we will never see a proof of whether it exists to be found.
1474469;1464791187;asciilifeform;but interestingly no 'respectable' cryptographer is even TRYING, afaik.
1474470;1464791233;Framedragger;well systems which assume "worst case" assumption vs. "random instances" of problem are perhaps better. see end of that answer
1474471;1464791267;Framedragger;s/assumption/instances/
1474472;1464791272;asciilifeform;how do you PROVE that a particular instance is not trivially heuristicable ?
1474473;1464791287;Framedragger;heristicable = heuristically solvable?
1474474;1464791289;asciilifeform;this is sorta like the boojum in rsa, where generating a ~good~ key is nontrivial
1474475;1464791293;asciilifeform;aha
1474476;1464791293;Framedragger;guess you can't, hence yes, problem
1474477;1464791297;asciilifeform;solvable in polynomial time.
1474478;1464791525;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474385 << mircea_popescu whole point is that ~my particular lamp~ is still glowing. (i recently bought one of them tritium lamps, it is a good analogy for this actually)
1474479;1464791525;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 10:50 mircea_popescu: "the lamp's not dead, just the mains is". mmmkay. long live the cold lamp.
1474480;1464791780;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu socialistoid idiocy comes from lizard brain, not from b00kz. (though it can appear therein)
1474481;1464791780;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474482;1464791812;asciilifeform;or what, the incas read marx and lenin before building their kolhoz ?
1474483;1464792052;shinohai;https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/gavin-andresen-ethereum-rise-warning-to-bitcoin   <<< obvious butthurt
1474484;1464792066;asciilifeform;lel zombie speaks!
1474485;1464792102;asciilifeform;hell, andreas a still talks
1474486;1464792116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu apparently needs a better killing jar ? his butterflies are still flyin'
1474487;1464792168;shinohai;Maybe a more ptent solution of chloroform is in order.
1474488;1464792173;shinohai;*potent
1474489;1464792185;asciilifeform;'I invite capable programmers from anywhere, including China, to help any of the teams working on open source Bitcoin software, whether that is Classic or Core or Unlimited or bitcore or btcd or ckpool or p2pool or bitcoinj.'
1474490;1464792188;asciilifeform;gold.
1474491;1464792209;asciilifeform;'i will help to connect anyone working on undermining bitcoin with like-minded useful idiots!'
1474492;1464792835;shinohai;Naturally r/btc crowd is celebrating this resurrection: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4lvwzo/gavin_andresen_recent_rise_in_ethereum_should_be/d3qj7af
1474493;1464792838;shinohai;My sides.
1474494;1464794372;mircea_popescu;lel.
1474495;1464794436;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's the doctrine, somehow, no matter how badly they get battered they can't give the shit up.
1474496;1464794441;asciilifeform;hola señor popescu !
1474497;1464794446;mircea_popescu;it's all in "working together" blabla.
1474498;1464794448;mircea_popescu;hola
1474499;1464794487;*;Framedragger actually liked when reading some marx, at least volume 1 of das kapital. lenin can be discarded, save for learning from history or whatever (or that).
1474500;1464794510;Framedragger;s/or that/if that/
1474501;1464794560;mircea_popescu;$google james giffen
1474502;1464794579;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick.
1474503;1464794583;mircea_popescu;eh really!
1474504;1464794596;mircea_popescu;anyway, thought asciilifeform'd appreciate the story, if not known already.
1474505;1464794616;mircea_popescu;one of the lulziest cases in the history of the us district kangaroocourts.
1474506;1464794642;asciilifeform;lol nazarbaev?!
1474507;1464794650;trinque;huh, must be a timeout thing
1474508;1464794654;trinque;$google james giffen
1474509;1464794657;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Giffen << James Giffen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/11/19/was-james-giffen-telling-the-truth/ << Was James Giffen telling the truth? | Foreign Policy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazakhgate << Kazakhgate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1474510;1464794667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy's been all over everything cia for a coupla decades.
1474511;1464794673;trinque;fuggin leaky tubes
1474512;1464794754;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474102 << very hard to argue with his guess.
1474513;1464794754;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 18:05 BingoBoingo: She's a transplant to the bay area failing to afford it. Likely a female to mayo transgender with asperzorsations of leaving Ohio behind.
1474514;1464794900;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474113 << idiocy can be painful.
1474515;1464794900;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 18:33 asciilifeform: chick is 25 yo
1474516;1464794994;Framedragger;why in the fuck did she move to SF given the rent prices. this is truly perplexing.
1474517;1464795015;trinque;because it was her dream to ...
1474518;1464795017;*;trinque falls asleep
1474519;1464795024;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474135 << nah, it'll be a lcd and an army of bulgarian nurses to run by the houses of everyone who thinks the opposite and flip them over the head.
1474520;1464795024;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 18:50 asciilifeform: for instance, i'm about to buy moar display. it will be an lcd. but if mircea_popescu buys another display, it won't be lcd, it'll be a thing where a gurl flips pixels manually.
1474521;1464795043;asciilifeform;l0l
1474522;1464795067;mircea_popescu;Framedragger nobody gives these kids any clear signals. their great-grandparents went "bitch, you're gonna marry the first guy with a pulse and make me two nephews!" which was maybe excessive.
1474523;1464795078;mircea_popescu;but today, the parents go "oh, everything, blablabla". this is not useful.
1474524;1464795086;mircea_popescu;so the moment they pick the vaguest of signals, they're there.
1474525;1464795152;Framedragger;yeah, i've been prone to this, too, but luckily by applying some "heuristic human computronium" a.k.a. common sense no truly stupid tragedies happened.
1474526;1464795156;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474137 << i can readily see that. even adjusting mentally for "he dun know the half of it!"
1474527;1464795156;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 18:52 ben_vulpes: a friend of mine recently broke up with his girl of 4+ years, and i realized during conversation about his new dating adventures and the kinds of women he was encountering that i would have patience for approximately zero reeducation at this point in my life.
1474528;1464795195;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no, it's just luck, there's no rational solution out of the problem. see http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ for the discussion if haven't already.
1474529;1464795278;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474158 << actually, these same ones will np.
1474530;1464795278;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:01 asciilifeform: young chix are programmable, they would just as happily 'great is the prophet muhammad' if born elsewhere.
1474531;1464795292;asciilifeform;sure, after you reflash'em
1474532;1464795322;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474162 << this is the fundamental point of womanhood ever since you know, "common sense" added "poverty laws" to the common law.
1474533;1464795322;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:01 trinque: because I am here
1474534;1464795338;mircea_popescu;"i am here ; therefore". and which it is why it needs absolutely no reflashing either asciilifeform
1474535;1464795360;mircea_popescu;if tomorrow muhammad offers a gram more petrocheese / unit time than usg.yelp.ceo.my, she's gone.
1474536;1464795365;asciilifeform;well somebody gotta load 'muhammed' into the register instead of 'demoocracy'
1474537;1464795369;trinque;hm, I see it
1474538;1464795372;mircea_popescu;to the victor - goes the nagging.
1474539;1464795382;asciilifeform;yeah but petrocheese is a peculiarly demoocratic bait. muhammed has other bait.
1474540;1464795395;mircea_popescu;cheapness is its own quality.
1474541;1464795404;mircea_popescu;and muhammad gave its believers much petro anyway.
1474542;1464795411;asciilifeform;tru
1474543;1464795472;mircea_popescu;and make no mistake about it, she'll pen diatribes to the mujahedeen about how tamara down the street got two inches more silk headdress or w/e
1474544;1464795515;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474164 << i'll pass :D
1474545;1464795515;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:01 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i enjoy the company of adults, not children
1474546;1464795540;asciilifeform;she will also write to kgb.... or do i have my continents crossed.
1474547;1464795584;mircea_popescu;and she did!
1474548;1464795611;mircea_popescu;and to teh gestapo, and in general, she's got a vocal vulvular valvule an' is not affraid to use it!
1474549;1464795636;asciilifeform;the traditional player here is ~old~ woman tho
1474550;1464795653;asciilifeform;complete with yappy-dog.
1474551;1464795657;mircea_popescu;notrly. old means many things, and here means "no longer sexually interesting to men"
1474552;1464795662;mircea_popescu;ustards achieve this by 19.
1474553;1464795696;asciilifeform;this was iirc one of the points of disagreement in thread, i saw photo, she was plenty interesting
1474554;1464795730;asciilifeform;(none of you lot concur ?!)
1474555;1464795762;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474179 << nothing could be further from teh truth. with some regularity mp has to punish multi-year supposed experts for basic training items such as "who the fuck said you may leave". the equivalent'd be a research lab where one has to explain the criteria of divisibility with 2 and 5 to the research leaders.
1474556;1464795762;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:04 asciilifeform: eh iirc mircea_popescu flies these in and reprogramms them to spec in days.
1474557;1464795774;shinohai;$s Melissa Bruninga-Matteau
1474558;1464795774;a111;1 results for "Melissa Bruninga-Matteau", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Melissa%20Bruninga-Matteau
1474559;1464795775;mircea_popescu;i can't be arsed to look at some medium photos.
1474560;1464795796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: research lab where one has to explain the criteria of divisibility with 2... <<< aaaaaaaaand guess where i worked !
1474561;1464795811;mircea_popescu;heh
1474562;1464795832;asciilifeform;and hey, general curtis lemay had to have 'no smoking' sign in airfield explained.
1474563;1464795852;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474184 << good to know this is how that'll go eh ?
1474564;1464795853;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:07 asciilifeform: hey, when the man is asleep ~somebody~'s gotta proffer the pineapple!111
1474565;1464795865;mircea_popescu;i already shudder at the thought of what my statue'll look like when i'm asleep.
1474566;1464795879;asciilifeform;giant pineapple, i expect!1111
1474567;1464795883;asciilifeform;holding broomstick.
1474568;1464795888;mircea_popescu;lol
1474569;1464795894;asciilifeform;(on dirigible.)
1474570;1464795960;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474190 << in fairness, not EVERYONE aims to do things of that nature.
1474571;1464795960;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:09 phf: none do, a working machine ~always~ has signs of its master's works
1474572;1464795984;mircea_popescu;no-serviceable-parts-inside hammer still works acceptably for all manner of people not making it their business to do complicated things with metals in surfaces
1474573;1464796052;asciilifeform;ever meet a bloke whose hammers are red with rust ?
1474574;1464796059;asciilifeform;they think 'no serviceable parts...' aha.
1474575;1464796089;asciilifeform;there is really no such thing as the tool that 'just worx!1111'
1474576;1464796151;mircea_popescu;tis a complicated discussion to properly have.
1474577;1464796238;asciilifeform;verily.
1474578;1464796282;mircea_popescu;for one thing, it's always hard to get past the little voice whispering at one that he's important, but : what makes you think you'd know what to adjust ?
1474579;1464796314;mircea_popescu;were you in adjust school ? where, war ? killed enough people to now known how they tick ? or where exactly, that was true, and truthful, and you paid attention.
1474580;1464796409;asciilifeform;most folks are 'chukcha ain't a reader, he's a writer' and do it anyway.
1474581;1464796654;mircea_popescu;well, yeah, and plenty of girls have the scars to show it.
1474582;1464796706;mircea_popescu;odd that this doesn't occur to you as the obvious answer to the whole "gold brick" bs. "oh, why doesn't mouse go down THIS tunnel!" "because there's a barb at the entrance and it stepped on it" "what barb ?!?!" "there" "oh, that ? that's just a barb!"
1474583;1464796707;mircea_popescu;mmkay.
1474584;1464796792;asciilifeform;i just find it hard to see young chix as legitimately-i-have-nothing-at-all poor.
1474585;1464796813;mircea_popescu;but this is ~mysoginy.
1474586;1464796916;asciilifeform;fact remains. she has assetz.
1474587;1464796920;mircea_popescu;so do you.
1474588;1464796944;asciilifeform;not within order of magnitude.
1474589;1464796962;trinque;there's nothing to envy about being owned.
1474590;1464796973;asciilifeform;trinque: did you bother to ask the owned ?
1474591;1464796987;mircea_popescu;and there the problem starts : given the same sack of whatever pounds' worth selected from the city dump, two different people will not make the same item, same order "lists of assets".
1474592;1464797005;trinque;asciilifeform: who would ask them? that's the point
1474593;1464797008;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the solution is called 'market', no ?
1474594;1464797022;mircea_popescu;trinque ~same as there's to envy about having been born again or w/e, having found one's religion, calling, life, hapiness, w/e.
1474595;1464797044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. a market exists when people make the same lists but order them differently.
1474596;1464797061;mircea_popescu;when they don't make the same lists a market's impossible, which is why britain must "civilize" the world before it can be a "trade empire".
1474597;1464797082;asciilifeform;pointedly not. plutonium is worth $-maxint (to the point that they would pay to have it removed from their house) to most folks. because not in their list. but on market - $maxint.
1474598;1464797083;mircea_popescu;before it manages that, it's a shitty island on the side of the great faith empire of a man on whose dominions sun never sets.
1474599;1464797166;asciilifeform;it is enough to find 1 buyer who has the sack of rubbish on his list. for it to have market worth.
1474600;1464797202;mircea_popescu;not what was said.
1474601;1464797231;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elaborate re 'different lists' vs 'same lists, ordered differently'
1474602;1464797240;mircea_popescu;what was said was that for as long as you value the S for a, worth z, and for b, worth x, whereas she values the sack FOR THE SAME a, worth y and for the same b, worth x, then therer can be a market.
1474603;1464797250;mircea_popescu;but without those meetings of the minds, there isn't a market, just chaos.
1474604;1464797480;asciilifeform;ah, this.
1474605;1464797485;asciilifeform;sure.
1474606;1464797534;mircea_popescu;well so sure, but then the market isn't "a magical solution from god for all the crazy dangerous shit i don't want to have to deal with".
1474607;1464797564;asciilifeform;tru. for some things - no market.
1474608;1464797583;mircea_popescu;and for the things where market - enjoy your corn syrup, the market chosen solution.
1474609;1464797586;asciilifeform;until if and when somebody conceives of how to reprocess them into saleable recycled feedstock.
1474610;1464797646;mircea_popescu;let's walk together through the history of this fine "market" thing, if we shall. so, it solved "the problem of feeding people", with hfcs. nice. and before that, it solved "the problem of trading in china". with opium. and before that...
1474611;1464797670;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa, there is saying 'market is not invisible hand, but a tentacle - sometimes, rapes'
1474612;1464797685;mircea_popescu;a market is a poor substitute of either foreign policy or governmental theology.
1474613;1464797816;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform would you believe that i quit, never to return, an assembly of esteemable finance heads when in congress they didn't agree, nor couldn't understand, why exactly "to split any item to two parties : one cuts, the other picks" is not only equitable, but the only equitable method so much so any other method is derived from it, and equitable only in as much as it's similar.
1474614;1464797829;mircea_popescu;that there's your market, entirely. one cuts, antoher picks. it only works in that context.
1474615;1464797877;asciilifeform;hey it's how my brother and i split candy bars as children.
1474616;1464797923;mircea_popescu;i have nfi what the fuck they do to them in school anymore.
1474617;1464798197;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474229 << wait, what ?!
1474618;1464798197;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:36 asciilifeform: for instance, i used to be able to read the log by hitting 'reload'
1474619;1464798348;asciilifeform;in www browsers
1474620;1464798348;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474270 << http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473232 >> other things. computers are hacks!
1474621;1464798349;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 14:21 mircea_popescu: and that finally there is absolutely no reason to implement arbitrary division in the machine, nor does such idiocy exist in nature ; that the correct machine representation of numbers is FRACTIONS not fucking "decimals", and that computers that natively support bignum up to the size of memory and execute gcd in hardware aren't either particularly hard to make nor their absence to date excusable.
1474622;1464798349;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:46 asciilifeform: this is 'minsky's dark room' all over again.
1474623;1464798394;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see thread from this morning. hashes suck in exactly the way aes sucks.
1474624;1464798396;mircea_popescu;the same sort of thinking informs it everywhere, and it's that sight most loathed in nature, the mental squid of an engineer!
1474625;1464798425;mircea_popescu;anyway, how's reload not work ? i been using it unknowingly ;/
1474626;1464798461;shinohai;http://ktla.com/2016/05/31/prosecutors-fight-to-stop-san-bernardino-shooters-family-from-getting-250000-life-insurance-claim/
1474627;1464798461;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: previous to last night, phf's 'last' link dropped you in an anchored point in time. which, when reloaded, will give you that log page eternally, even if new ones exist.
1474628;1464798467;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474274 << deeply don't, gpg with sym key is liek... mmmkay.
1474629;1464798467;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 19:50 Framedragger: aha, then i guess you don't really enjoy the fact that gpg uses aes for session key actually? :)
1474630;1464798499;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh that's how you meant. i just reload a current page, yeah.
1474631;1464798513;mircea_popescu;shinohai what the hell's the logic there.
1474632;1464798587;shinohai;It's ok for the USof A to collectively punish people, but not N Korea, etc ?
1474633;1464798648;mircea_popescu;so what's the logic, "this guy pissed us off, his FAMILY therefore must not get reimbursed for losing teh means of support etc" ?
1474634;1464798656;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474626 << su had a judicial sentence 'with confiscation of property', which was routinely employed, and included ~all~ property of the condemned. usa presently does not have such a sentence - it has 'proceeds and instruments of the crime', and 'restitution', which amount to ~same thing. and soon will be == de jure.
1474635;1464798657;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 16:27 shinohai: http://ktla.com/2016/05/31/prosecutors-fight-to-stop-san-bernardino-shooters-family-from-getting-250000-life-insurance-claim/
1474636;1464798683;shinohai;This will be attempt to set said precedent
1474637;1464798691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform except the life insurance payout is not the guy's.
1474638;1464798698;asciilifeform;it is his estate's
1474639;1464798705;asciilifeform;the precedent is re estate of dead criminal
1474640;1464798711;mircea_popescu;mno, actually, it specifies whose it is.
1474641;1464798713;mircea_popescu;usually wife.
1474642;1464798724;mircea_popescu;the life policy carries a stated beneficiary
1474643;1464798724;asciilifeform;wife went postal with him iirc.
1474644;1464798728;mircea_popescu;which never is THE DEAD BLOKE
1474645;1464798742;mircea_popescu;ah so the plot deepthickens.
1474646;1464798743;asciilifeform;presumably 'next of kin'.
1474647;1464798758;mircea_popescu;well, whatever it may be, not his in any case.
1474648;1464798787;shinohai;iirc they had children?
1474649;1464798817;mircea_popescu;o it's pretty thick, "terrorists must not be permitted to provide".
1474650;1464798825;mircea_popescu;it is ACTUALLY literally a bill of attainder.
1474651;1464798828;mircea_popescu;"terrorist"
1474652;1464798863;shinohai;Ah yes, child is in custody of CPS in California.
1474653;1464798884;asciilifeform;it isn't even a mega-leap, judicially, these folks knew they were going to meet allah, hence for insurance purposes can be 'suicide'
1474654;1464798888;shinohai;Will be raised in re-education camp
1474655;1464798909;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474330 <<< sooo... copy tmsr items, "launch" them, ??? profit... why are these webdicklets so derpy anyway.
1474656;1464798909;a111;Logged on 2016-05-31 23:33 shinohai: Judging from the flurry of messages I'm getting I think I triggered someone.
1474657;1464798926;asciilifeform;^ this was the umpteenth copy of deedbot, also
1474658;1464798930;asciilifeform;how many now ?
1474659;1464798939;*;mircea_popescu can already picture the kid in question, 19 yo pakistani with a few online freelancing projects under his belt "spreading out" etc.
1474660;1464798957;shinohai;Final count was like 13 messages and 5 PM's just because I pointed out tmsr did it first. Props to deedbot
1474661;1464798990;mircea_popescu;lol
1474662;1464799103;shinohai;The best was the `no 'Web of Trust' needed` comment. He refused to read the relevant trilema article that I sent him obviously.
1474663;1464799106;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474338 << dude what the everloving shit, you heat on electricity in fucking canada ?!
1474664;1464799106;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 03:16 deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Infinity shades of solar, an erotic analysis. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/31/infinity-shades-of-solar-an-erotic-analysis/
1474665;1464799140;mircea_popescu;moreover, you heat on a .5 kwh/sq foot basis ?! this article is too mysterious for me.
1474666;1464799165;mircea_popescu;shinohai "buy these prized aquarium fish. no heads!"
1474667;1464799186;asciilifeform;hey, sprats!1111
1474668;1464799214;*;asciilifeform examines his spratuary, it is nearly empty
1474669;1464799231;mircea_popescu;what you keep them live ?!
1474670;1464799238;asciilifeform;mno.
1474671;1464799239;mircea_popescu;swimming in liquid smoke lol.
1474672;1464799262;asciilifeform;^ but i've always wanted this!11111
1474673;1464799370;mircea_popescu;so electricity is like, <4 cent / kwh commercial in alberta ? who the hell knew, that's pretty good mining pricing neh ?
1474674;1464799804;mircea_popescu;and so the matter settled : what started on may 25th as a slight disparity between the usg faux bitcoin exchanges trading at 448 (bitfinex isn't inclued here, having nothing to do with bitcoin altogether) while btcchina was reporting 455 (and 2/3 of the total volume), eventually peaked out at 510/580 (with btcchina still doing 2/3 of the volume) and eventually settled at 530/540. the moral that "you should have yielded rather
1474675;1464799804;mircea_popescu; than fought, yelps" is yet again obvious, and for the hundredeth or so time will pass unheeded, i guess.
1474676;1464799871;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474412 << myeah.
1474677;1464799871;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 14:02 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-31#1474264 << that's nice, but doesn't the beloved cramer-shoup also use hashes? their scheme, to quote, "requires a universal one-way hash function"
1474678;1464799943;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474432 << eh, the public has to yet write anything correctly.
1474679;1464799943;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 14:09 asciilifeform: (and i will add that no public implementation wrote it correctly, either.)
1474680;1464800053;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474455 << and in goatfucklandia it is common for everyone to fuck a goat. what of it.
1474681;1464800054;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 14:19 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474405 << in small american co it is typical for everyone, from ceo to mute mexican janitor, to be 'first-named'
1474682;1464800111;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474465 << the republic seeks not so as to find, but so as to make.
1474683;1464800111;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 14:24 Framedragger: not to rain on the parade (not that i could), but isn't it possible such a thing won't ever be found? http://stackoverflow.com/a/3654889
1474684;1464800243;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: merely point out that the "root layer of the universe structure" may be a blocker on this bug. but the root layer has needed a paddlin' anyway..
1474685;1464800248;Framedragger;*pointing out
1474686;1464800291;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474465 << god the fucking baiting you do.
1474687;1464800291;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 14:24 Framedragger: not to rain on the parade (not that i could), but isn't it possible such a thing won't ever be found? http://stackoverflow.com/a/3654889
1474688;1464800332;mircea_popescu;so some officious schmuck wants me to read "the section on wikipedia" where a set of snakeoil salesmen discuss their imaginary snake oil properties ? the glbgbblglbvrhl!
1474689;1464800482;asciilifeform;i have been to where they juice the cobras.
1474690;1464800487;asciilifeform;it was stomach-turning.
1474691;1464800501;Framedragger;so wikipedia sux and sometimes you need to glance at it, the way a hasty businessman glances at a dubitable street food stand in a foreign city. sometimes the temporary "before pgp xamarin something" solution is to glance at that damn wikipedia. what of it
1474692;1464800504;asciilifeform;the 'cryptographers', my shiny metal arse.
1474693;1464800531;Framedragger;(i sounded more literary in my mind)
1474694;1464800584;mircea_popescu;Framedragger chiefly, that it isn't. i posit that nothing good or useful can come of some kid at rutger's self importantly answering questions on a website because some 17 yo kid who thinks himself too cool for his ohio highschool asked a dumb question with the usual smattering of wikipedia his teachers usually A him for.
1474695;1464800659;mircea_popescu;now let's go at it with examples :
1474696;1464800661;mircea_popescu;"Note the "random instances" part. For a concrete example, we might assume that no polynomial-time algorithm exists for factoring the product of two random n-bit primes with some good probability. This is very different (less safe) from assuming that no polynomial-time algorithm exists for always factoring all products of two random n-bit primes."
1474697;1464800690;mircea_popescu;a) not concrete b) what "some good" c) he mixed up all/never.
1474698;1464800698;asciilifeform;cases of folks stepping on this caltrop abound
1474699;1464800715;asciilifeform;i.e. problems np-complete in the general case, but very much p in ~every known instance.
1474700;1464800750;mircea_popescu;but yes, what he's trying to copy was originally correct : the problem with cryptosystems is that even if they "reference" an actual hard problem, they don't get to stand in for the fucking problem itself! they pick a case, and we've no good hardness measurers for mere cases.
1474701;1464800757;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform word.
1474702;1464800832;Framedragger;i don't think 'c)' obtains? no mix-up there. otherwise, sure, blergh re. a) and b)
1474703;1464800834;asciilifeform;if you could prove what is called 'flat keyspace', you can work as if every key you select requires same work to break.
1474704;1464800844;asciilifeform;(an no this has not been done for any extant system other than otp)
1474705;1464800875;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it should have read " This is very different (less safe) from assuming that no polynomial-time algorithm exists for any factoring of any products of two random n-bit primes."
1474706;1464800973;asciilifeform;^ the hilarious bit is that we are smashing 'randomly selected n-bit primes' every day now
1474707;1464800980;asciilifeform;because 'randomly' is not good enough.
1474708;1464800999;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the even more hilarious bit is that there just aren't THAT MANY primes to make different keys of a specified size.
1474709;1464801008;asciilifeform;not so.
1474710;1464801014;asciilifeform;$s prime number theorem
1474711;1464801015;a111;1 results for "prime number theorem", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=prime%20number%20theorem
1474712;1464801022;asciilifeform;there's a hell of a lot.
1474713;1464801043;mircea_popescu;let's quantify this hell of a lot together.
1474714;1464801054;Framedragger;hm. *this* (i.e.: that "no polynomial-time algorithm exists for factoring the product of two random n-bit primes with some good probability") *is* less safe as compared to the safer assumption that "no polynomial-time algorithm exists for always factoring all products of two random n-bit primes". this is a much safer assumption cf. to the one you interpreted it to mean, no? (no baiting this time - just honestly confused). but eh, may
1474715;1464801060;mircea_popescu;are there more than possible combinations of 6 character passwords ?
1474716;1464801072;Framedragger;"was a terrible answer tho)" (fuckin irc)
1474717;1464801072;asciilifeform;more of what ?
1474718;1464801086;asciilifeform;http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PrimeNumberTheorem.html
1474719;1464801090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform distinct prime pairs that make a 4kb key
1474720;1464801113;asciilifeform;take legendre's approximation, or chebyshev's, and see.
1474721;1464801180;mircea_popescu;2^2049/ln(2^2049) - 2^2047/ln(2^2047)
1474722;1464801190;mircea_popescu; /2 but w/e.
1474723;1464801341;asciilifeform;a clearer approach would be to state this in terms of how many bits of entropy, such that is used in generating key, are de facto discarded by the nextprime() op.
1474724;1464801373;asciilifeform;(in the sense that K possible bitstrings could end up at the given nextprime())
1474725;1464801385;mircea_popescu;more sensible yes.
1474726;1464801408;mircea_popescu;point reimains, quite far from "flat keyspace" in this particular sense.
1474727;1464801426;asciilifeform;that isn't the keyspace.
1474728;1464801440;asciilifeform;keyspace is the space of all possible ~actual keys we might end up with~ at the end of proper key generation.
1474729;1464801444;asciilifeform;and the work required to break each.
1474730;1464801466;asciilifeform;(raw n-bit string that hasn't been fed to nextprime() nor the other tests, is not a key!)
1474731;1464801575;mircea_popescu;well, you could consider pair-of-primes as the key.
1474732;1464801591;jurov;deedbot: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20160601/attachment.txt?sha1=af8606ade95cc571a9b29f0570d3c783a29c0ffe
1474733;1464801598;asciilifeform;pair of properly selected primes.
1474734;1464801600;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1474735;1464801600;asciilifeform;not otherwise.
1474736;1464801808;mircea_popescu;Framedragger : he says : "1. Assume no X exists for F-ing any A's with b ; 2. Assume no X exists for F-ing all A's with b ; 1 is safer than 2." and he is wrong.
1474737;1464801908;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474482 << and what else, zig ziggler invented marketing ? stupidity is perennial, and not really worthy of nominal exercises.
1474738;1464801908;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 14:36 asciilifeform: or what, the incas read marx and lenin before building their kolhoz ?
1474739;1464801919;asciilifeform;point was, it is not 'from old books'
1474740;1464801923;mircea_popescu;marx needs a name like my turds need individual id papers.
1474741;1464801940;asciilifeform;lose the books, lose 0 stupidity, and ~all shit worth actually knowing.
1474742;1464801960;mircea_popescu;they're still dead, irrespective how inconvenient that may turn out to be!
1474743;1464801982;asciilifeform;greece is dead and full of goat fuckers, does not cancel aristotle.
1474744;1464802007;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474486 << i'm the worst killer in history ;/
1474745;1464802007;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 14:41 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu apparently needs a better killing jar ? his butterflies are still flyin'
1474746;1464802025;mircea_popescu;or, to quote seinfeld,
1474747;1464802068;mircea_popescu;"She does stink and she should quit. But I don't want it to be because of me. It should be the  traditional route; years of rejections and failures till she's spit out the bottom of the porn industry."
1474748;1464802093;asciilifeform;l0l!
1474749;1464802110;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1474750;1464802137;mircea_popescu;omaigerd caught on logs. win.
1474751;1464802695;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, jp about to drop $100B of printolade.
1474752;1464802780;mircea_popescu;We consider the possibility of basing one-way functions on NP-Hardness; that is, we study possible reductions from a worst-case decision problem to the task of average-case inverting a polynomial-time computable function f. Our main findings are the following two negative results:
1474753;1464802781;mircea_popescu;If given y one can efficiently compute |f^-1(y)| then the existence of a (randomized) reduction of NP to the task of inverting f implies that coNP ⊆ AM. Thus, it follows that such reductions cannot exist unless coNP ⊆ AM.
1474754;1464802781;mircea_popescu;For any function f, the existence of a (randomized) non-adaptive reduction of NP to the task of average-case inverting f implies that coNP ⊆ AM.
1474755;1464802797;mircea_popescu;the f^-1 approach being actually pretty sensible.
1474756;1464802836;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: this is super unimportant but under your analysis, he says that 2 is safer than 1. you claim that 1 is safer than 2. should be inverted, methinks. (the "(less safe)" refers to 1, not to 2.)
1474757;1464802836;Framedragger;(thanks for bearing with me, and i'm off home). i leave you with http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4092
1474758;1464802853;Framedragger;s/you claim that/you claim that he claims that/
1474759;1464802860;Framedragger;jesus wtf am i doing
1474760;1464802876;mircea_popescu;yeah, /me drops this point
1474761;1464802901;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is quite like those 1980s papers about star drives
1474762;1464802906;asciilifeform;we haven't the f.
1474763;1464802911;asciilifeform;nor any path to the f.
1474764;1464802933;mircea_popescu;yes, but if one proposes a f, doing the inverse just to see what happens is a good approach.
1474765;1464802946;asciilifeform;whole notion of hash is that 'do the inverse' is hard.
1474766;1464802970;asciilifeform;and point of thread was 'no one has shown with any degree of rigour whatsoever, ~how~ hard'
1474767;1464802988;asciilifeform;it is 100% exactly the same case as in symmetric cipherdom.
1474768;1464803000;asciilifeform;'aes is hard to break' 'says who' 'says me, i haven't broken it yet'
1474769;1464803006;mircea_popescu;fine, state it like this : when someone proposes a hash, see if you can find a y for which the reverse is trivial.
1474770;1464803039;asciilifeform;sure. but my inability to do so says NOTHING about its hardness. only about how MY PARTICULAR hands grow out from my arse.
1474771;1464803059;asciilifeform;that's the basic boojum of crypto as practiced by extant 'cryptographers'.
1474772;1464803070;mircea_popescu;sure.
1474773;1464803385;asciilifeform;btw when i went down into the snakepit with several dozen renowned 'cryptographers' earlier this year, i asked a few folks about this.
1474774;1464803398;asciilifeform;got the ENTIRELY unsurprising 'what, you're a martian?' stare back.
1474775;1464803403;asciilifeform;one woman offered me a candy bar.
1474776;1464803410;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1474777;1464803416;asciilifeform;it is in the l0gz somewhere
1474778;1464803426;mircea_popescu;what's the candy bar to do
1474779;1464803455;asciilifeform;dunno. but that was the response.
1474780;1464803465;asciilifeform;'stfu, monkey', must be.
1474781;1464803578;asciilifeform;see also the canonical >>> http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712426
1474782;1464803578;a111;Logged on 2014-06-11 00:48 asciilifeform: 'Sacco and Vanzetti came up with an entirely different solution to the slow-MMU problem, one which if I do say so myself was less imaginative than mine, but both more general and more practical. They published theirs in a real conference, received much acclaim for it, and I believe patented it, started a so-called company and eventually sold it to Microsoft.'
1474783;1464803616;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712427 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712428 http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-11#712429 << for completeness.
1474784;1464803616;a111;Logged on 2014-06-11 00:49 asciilifeform: 'Which, in fact, I had. Because I'd essentially told him his research was fraudulent. The fact that my research was also fraudulent, and that neither of ours was particularly noteworthy in that regard, did not matter. And why should it? Others' crimes cannot excuse your own.'
1474785;1464803616;a111;Logged on 2014-06-11 00:49 asciilifeform: 'My Navrozov moment, of course, was when I approached one of the two - Sacco, I think - and attempted to have an intellectual discussion of this realization. The story is basically the same as Navrozov's, so it would be boring to repeat, but basically I came away with the feeling that I'd told someone his Sicilian grandmother liked to get drunk and fuck her own goats.'
1474786;1464803617;a111;Logged on 2014-06-11 00:49 asciilifeform: 'At some point during this period, however, I realized that the entire problem was a complete and utter pseudo-problem. ... So I am very confident that neither of these techniques, neither mine nor Sacco and Vanzetti's, has ever been used in practice. There is no need for them, there has never been any need for them, and there will never be any need for them. And this was quite obvious in 1993.'
1474787;1464803630;asciilifeform;damn a111
1474788;1464803637;asciilifeform;where is my DETERMINISTIC barf?!
1474789;1464803654;asciilifeform;or is it backwards?
1474790;1464803659;mircea_popescu;backwards apparently.
1474791;1464803662;asciilifeform;eh.
1474792;1464803664;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so here's what i'm thinking : obviously the equivocation between "NP hard" in the sense of "it is not proven this set is empty of NP hard edges" and NP hard in the sense of "this set CONSISTS of NP-hard elements" is bad for crypto.
1474793;1464803698;asciilifeform;poor specification (and moreover deceitful sleigh-of-hand from the usual suspects) is bad for crypto.
1474794;1464803699;mircea_popescu;but now take something like... an irrational numeration base. take for instance something like (1+sqrt(5))/2, which is... practically binary!
1474795;1464803700;asciilifeform;Nyooz at 11!
1474796;1464803707;mircea_popescu;wouldn't this fit the more useful later definition ?
1474797;1464803711;asciilifeform;how?
1474798;1464803717;asciilifeform;base does nothing.
1474799;1464803759;mircea_popescu;well, it does as much as guarantee if your string is finite you're operating on an irrational.
1474800;1464803791;asciilifeform;and what of this ?
1474801;1464803840;mircea_popescu;you recall earlier discussion re summation of irrationals lemme dig it up
1474802;1464803886;asciilifeform;i recall there was thread where mircea_popescu suggested the use of nonstandard bases to frustrate enemy per 'specificity of diddling' principle.
1474803;1464803904;asciilifeform;this has ~nothing to do with provably placing transform's inversion into a complexity class.
1474804;1464803907;mircea_popescu;nono, we were discussing hard problems and i pointed out the russian guy with the addition
1474805;1464803913;asciilifeform;hm
1474806;1464804010;mircea_popescu;we went through a bunch of examples in one sitting, but i'm not finding it nao
1474807;1464804026;asciilifeform;oh, relatedly, and strangely,
1474808;1464804028;asciilifeform;$s vanzetti
1474809;1464804028;a111;1 results for "vanzetti", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=vanzetti
1474810;1464804034;asciilifeform;^ ought to have found the old l0gz
1474811;1464804037;asciilifeform;and did not.
1474812;1464804040;asciilifeform;phf ^
1474813;1464804055;asciilifeform;i had to grep own l0gz
1474814;1464804100;asciilifeform;how is this even possible.
1474815;1464804191;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-10#1401529
1474816;1464804191;a111;Logged on 2016-02-10 01:34 mircea_popescu: or to get back to exponential space problems : "decide first order logic propositions with real numbers, adition and comparison" is a very hard problem.
1474817;1464804210;asciilifeform;except that we don't have machines that work on real numbers.
1474818;1464804221;asciilifeform;just like how i can't go to my shop and machine a platonic solid.
1474819;1464804236;mircea_popescu;yes, but as long as the notation is in an irrational base,
1474820;1464804247;mircea_popescu;we do have in point of fact guaranteed irrational numbers.
1474821;1464804267;mircea_popescu;it doesn't seem there;s going to be so much cheating here.
1474822;1464804275;asciilifeform;nah, on physical machine you are working with ~representations~ of irrational numbers
1474823;1464804280;mircea_popescu;sure.
1474824;1464804280;asciilifeform;e.g., the symbol sqrt(2).
1474825;1464804293;mircea_popescu;but of arbitrary precision.
1474826;1464804303;asciilifeform;this is a pistol that shoots out the wrong end. the only one it makes life harder for is the user.
1474827;1464804308;asciilifeform;not enemy cryptologist.
1474828;1464804316;mircea_popescu;how do you figure ?
1474829;1464804338;mircea_popescu;admittedly my thinking being that it's time to stop trying to be clever and "cheat", seeing how the only cheated to date is self.
1474830;1464804390;asciilifeform;because it is actually not so hard to find, in polynomial time, that 3.1462643699419726 =~ sqrt(2)+sqrt(3).
1474831;1464804411;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is more in the 'arab caesar cipher' vein, of cheating self.
1474832;1464804433;mircea_popescu;no cipher's yet been discussed has it ?
1474833;1464804444;asciilifeform;no, but implied !
1474834;1464804463;asciilifeform;(that using peculiar bases is somehow ciphratory)
1474835;1464804471;mircea_popescu;no such wonder was implied.
1474836;1464804481;asciilifeform;then why fuck around with bases ?
1474837;1464804496;mircea_popescu;what are you, a roman ?
1474838;1464804499;mircea_popescu;for convenience.
1474839;1464804520;asciilifeform;let's have the whole thing then..?
1474840;1464804560;deedbot;[Qntra] Bespoke Windows Exploit On The Market - http://qntra.net/2016/06/bespoke-windows-exploit-on-the-market/
1474841;1464804581;mircea_popescu;i dunno the whole thing. the observation however stands that just as there's a way to verify a number ISNT irrational, by the same way in the same manner for the same reason the reverse can also be verified. and there are indeed very hard (as it is the case here, harder than np-complete) problems to do with such numbers, arbitrarily chosen.
1474842;1464804600;mircea_popescu;there seems to me there's a field to graze upon here ; without any such sillyness as "basis is cipher"
1474843;1464804641;asciilifeform;well 'number isn't irrational' is something you determine from its ~definition~
1474844;1464804654;mircea_popescu;in the case here, you determine it from its notation.
1474845;1464804655;asciilifeform;(recall how euclid described sqrt(2))
1474846;1464804659;asciilifeform;correct
1474847;1464804668;mircea_popescu;this differfence is important.
1474848;1464804672;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> the life policy carries a stated beneficiary << AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA Welcome to USSA. Beneficiary gets life insurance policy if they took it out on deceased themselves, but otherwise in USistani brokeness many times must first pass "DOes estate have expenses test"
1474849;1464804715;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ridoinculous.
1474850;1464804729;asciilifeform;life insurance in usa is ~wholly a scam. has been for eons.
1474851;1464804740;mircea_popescu;getting back to base phi : two machine words together, 64 bit each, encode a huge chunk of cannonical phinary numbers ; and the machine wouldn't even have to know that's what it's doing.
1474852;1464804742;asciilifeform;if you die 'of old age', the medical racket gets it
1474853;1464804751;mircea_popescu;writing a cannonizer and an algebraic operator on this shouldn't be impossible.
1474854;1464804757;mircea_popescu;what next, meh, no idea atm.
1474855;1464804803;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 1) define 'phinary' algebra 2) ?????????????? 3) profit!111
1474856;1464804834;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's well defined neh ? phi + 1 = phi^2 etc.
1474857;1464804860;asciilifeform;shinohai: http://qntra.net/2016/06/bespoke-windows-exploit-on-the-market/#comment-60243
1474858;1464805546;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: usaschwitz, like all other slave empires, is ultimately powered by nondischargeable personal debt
1474859;1464805562;asciilifeform;(tax, 'penalties', various alimonies, etc.)
1474860;1464805810;mircea_popescu;https://oeis.org/A105165 << turns out it's actually pretty famous. famous enough for its own strings in the oeis.
1474861;1464806025;phf;asciilifeform: yeah, it's in backlog, i need to make a case-insensitive version of KMP
1474862;1464806033;asciilifeform;ah that was it.
1474863;1464806049;asciilifeform;$s Vanzetti
1474864;1464806049;a111;8 results for "Vanzetti", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=Vanzetti
1474865;1464806052;asciilifeform;yeah.
1474866;1464806511;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474857   <<< The sarcasm of "absolutely genuine" was lost on asciilifeform perhaps.
1474867;1464806511;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 18:14 asciilifeform: shinohai: http://qntra.net/2016/06/bespoke-windows-exploit-on-the-market/#comment-60243
1474868;1464807000;asciilifeform;in other nyooz of the ridiculous, http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-VINTAGE-HACKING-COMPUTER-SYMBOLICS-MACIVORY-LISP-MACHINE-KEYBOARD-OVERLAY-/322130142066
1474869;1464807024;asciilifeform;^ $250 for piece of cardboard
1474870;1464807030;asciilifeform;i even have one. big whoop.
1474871;1464807221;deedbot;[Qntra] Forbes Revises Theranos CEO's Estimated Wealth To Near Zero - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forbes-revises-theranos-ceos-estimated-wealth-to-near-zero/
1474872;1464807332;mircea_popescu;awww
1474873;1464807393;mircea_popescu;"The vulnerability further bypassed Microsoft Enhanced Mitigation Experience Toolkit (EMET) protections. No comments from Microsoft were available at the time of this article." for maximal lulz.
1474874;1464807439;asciilifeform;winblowz local roots are not actually rare.
1474875;1464807450;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/06/forbes-revises-theranos-ceos-estimated-wealth-to-near-zero/ << Theranos WAS interesting
1474876;1464807460;asciilifeform;;;seen mats
1474877;1464807461;gribble;mats was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 4 days, 20 hours, 49 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <mats> fun fact, canto people typically have soup with every meal
1474878;1464811299;Framedragger;$s "war of life"
1474879;1464811299;a111;8 results for "\"war of life\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22war%20of%20life%22
1474880;1464811307;Framedragger;what was war of life? (http://trilema.com/2014/the-twinheaded-announcer-announces/ ) ? a kind of game of life with bitcoin betting
1474881;1464811334;Framedragger;s/\n/?\n/
1474882;1464811451;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's actually in the logs. mike_c had some theories about bitbet and how it could be better, we tried it out, on the conway cell thing. he made a very pretty looking game out of it.
1474883;1464811717;Framedragger;sounds like it was fun, at least for a while!
1474884;1464811750;BingoBoingo;it twas
1474885;1464811897;mircea_popescu;yeah, it wasn't bad really. i guess in the end didn't gather enough momentum and we agreed to end it ; but not without regret
1474886;1464811931;mircea_popescu;there must be extant screenshots somewhere
1474887;1464811943;asciilifeform;iirc we even had a fella ragequit over WoL closing
1474888;1464811945;asciilifeform;(TaT?)
1474889;1464811956;mircea_popescu;was it ?
1474890;1464811958;asciilifeform;aha
1474891;1464811988;asciilifeform;last thing out of him was actually a thread at trilema, to this effect.
1474892;1464812045;mircea_popescu;i recall the fellow not digesting my pointing out to him that his calls, opinions ideas etc on some topic he had nothing to do weren't interesting ; dunno what exactly the adherence was. maybe this, yeah.
1474893;1464812061;Framedragger;a screenshot: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/lol-death.png
1474894;1464812085;mircea_popescu;aha yeah that was it
1474895;1464812134;mircea_popescu;ima bbl
1474896;1464812382;BingoBoingo;Yeah WoL was TaT's last stand though he popped up occasionally later for events like http://qntra.net/2015/10/well-connected-bezzle-health-startup-theranos-collapsing/#comment-31763
1474897;1464812663;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu gonna fire up sks dump circa 2016 shortly.
1474898;1464812664;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474899;1464812727;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474528 << goddamnit: read article; fail to parse word ('edulcorously'); realise only two google results are (1) ben_vulpes uttering the word, and (2) this trilema artcile (the following day); end up checking roots of "edulcorate" (make something more acceptable or palatable) http://imgur.com/85Iy0el
1474900;1464812727;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 15:33 mircea_popescu: Framedragger no, it's just luck, there's no rational solution out of the problem. see http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ for the discussion if haven't already.
1474901;1464812858;Framedragger;"They were bored to death even with their own thoughts and dreams, bored with the attack they expected momentarily. They were bored of being bored, and too sick and tired of being bored to even consider not being boring. It's just not possible to do, it exceeds human capacity. Turns out that when confronted with the meaningless pointlessness of endlessness, the inadequacy of the muchly lauded human faculty of creativity becomes readily a
1474902;1464813065;asciilifeform;in other nyooz:
1474903;1464813070;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERZ!
1474904;1464813075;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al:
1474905;1464813080;mod6;what up
1474906;1464813084;asciilifeform;http://www.frostyplace.com/index.php?story_id=11202 << i may have found a replacement for pogo.
1474907;1464813092;mod6;oooo
1474908;1464813096;asciilifeform;^ 256M ram, sata and esata, 1GB ether, fiddybux
1474909;1464813098;asciilifeform;i have one here.
1474910;1464813143;asciilifeform;they are available in usa through crapazon.
1474911;1464813147;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i would seriiosli consider http://www.2x4.ru/index.php?pid=71
1474912;1464813168;asciilifeform;mod6: unlike pogo, thing is a HEAVY metal brick, with the drive on inside
1474913;1464813174;asciilifeform;very impressive mechanically.
1474914;1464813192;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not related to this thread
1474915;1464813204;Framedragger;oh lol, oops.
1474916;1464813208;asciilifeform;Framedragger: pogo is a small linuxable computer, now out of print
1474917;1464813222;Framedragger;nice. ok
1474918;1464813250;Framedragger;lots of logs. kk. sorry
1474919;1464813336;asciilifeform;mod6: dual core incidentally.
1474920;1464813341;asciilifeform;(unlike pogo)
1474921;1464813351;asciilifeform;so for 2x the cost, you get ~2x the juice.
1474922;1464813369;asciilifeform;the memory leak will still have to be killed though, before these can trb.
1474923;1464813510;asciilifeform;thing is also sold as 'silverstone dc01'.
1474924;1464813552;asciilifeform;http://aphnetworks.com/reviews/silverstone_dc01/2
1474925;1464813707;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ was a nice read, thanks. chance, right.
1474926;1464813913;mod6;asciilifeform: awesome find, i'll take a closer look at it tonight for sure.
1474927;1464814054;asciilifeform;ALSO unlike pogo, it comes with all four types of mains plug
1474928;1464814058;asciilifeform;(removable heads)
1474929;1464814067;asciilifeform;including the uncommon mircea_popescuine one.
1474930;1464814079;asciilifeform;in the standard package, even.
1474931;1464814206;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=16/06/01/0252208
1474932;1464814214;asciilifeform;'Devuan, the once devil-may-care total fork of Debian, once linked to virulent internet sexism and gamer-gate affiliated image forums by Debian Developer Russel Coker, has mulled the option of enacting a Code of Conduct when one of its female members was insulted...'
1474933;1464814289;asciilifeform;^ this was the non-systemd fork of debian, iirc.
1474934;1464814321;mod6;<+asciilifeform> including the uncommon mircea_popescuine one. << sweet
1474935;1464814383;asciilifeform;mod6: this thing appears to be virgin earth, in the sense that no one has afaik published serial port pinouts, etc.
1474936;1464814407;asciilifeform;there is not even a close-up pcb photo
1474937;1464814417;asciilifeform;(i am about to snap one, as soon as camera charges)
1474938;1464814552;mod6;ok cool, any info we can get on the thing, the better.
1474939;1464815418;asciilifeform;mod6: http://imgur.com/a/991vV ( or https://archive.is/ddDoq for mircea_popescu )
1474940;1464815448;asciilifeform;sorry'bout the duped 1st pic
1474941;1464815469;asciilifeform;i also did not bother to examine the underside of mp, all of the connector pads appear to be on top
1474942;1464815475;asciilifeform;and i dun feel like regreasing the cpu
1474943;1464815605;asciilifeform;http://blog.livedoor.jp/hide_system/archives/2013-02-05.html << suggests that this is same board, and 1 of the 4pin pads, as usual, is tty.
1474944;1464815862;asciilifeform;*mb
1474945;1464816115;*;mod6 looks
1474946;1464816160;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4521
1474947;1464816160;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1474948;1464816272;mod6;nice pics alf
1474949;1464816339;asciilifeform;mod6: not terribly useful pics. the chore still remains, to probe the pins.
1474950;1464816452;asciilifeform;(in case this was not clear from the pics, the thing can actually handle ~2~ sata disks - one inside box, one out)
1474951;1464816656;mod6;i see that.
1474952;1464816659;mod6;gige too
1474953;1464816670;asciilifeform;aha, like pogo
1474954;1464816745;asciilifeform;astonishingly, there is even a jumper.
1474955;1464816781;mod6;turn down for wat
1474956;1464816812;asciilifeform;i have nfi for wat
1474957;1464816825;mod6;that for the reset button then?
1474958;1464816833;asciilifeform;waiwut
1474959;1464816889;asciilifeform;the empty hole appears to be for one of those bicycle lock things.
1474960;1464816893;mod6;oh nm. thought they were jumpers until i zoomed in
1474961;1464816895;mod6;i see that its not
1474962;1464816974;mod6;next to the ethernet port chassis, the black thing looked like a jumper. the only jumper i see is next to C149
1474963;1464816988;asciilifeform;yeah that's the 1.
1474964;1464817209;mod6;anyway, this seems easier as one could just rip the drive out, load up the full orchastra on the disk, drop it back in and you're ready to go.
1474965;1464817248;asciilifeform;easier than what ?
1474966;1464817262;asciilifeform;it is same sort of box as pogo
1474967;1464817267;asciilifeform;armv5, iirc
1474968;1464817287;asciilifeform;it dun boot from disk, but from the 256M of flash in there.
1474969;1464817302;asciilifeform;which will need to be fed with correctly-tuned rotor kernel etc.
1474970;1464817305;mod6;ah, ok, wasnt sure if any flashing needed to happen
1474971;1464817319;mod6;yeah, sure. arm deal.
1474972;1464817333;mod6;ok, awesome
1474973;1464817398;asciilifeform;not earth-shaking - before we can run on this, we pretty much have to also run on pogo
1474974;1464817420;asciilifeform;because 256M will die in merely twice as long as the 128M dies in (what was it, 8 hours?)
1474975;1464817463;asciilifeform;the two SEPARATE leaks that we identified will have to die.
1474976;1464817477;asciilifeform;(recall, block index is RETARDEDLY kept resident in ram, being first leak)
1474977;1464817765;asciilifeform;mod6: http://digiland.tw/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=mcs-ln2sps << another clone.
1474978;1464817829;*;mod6 looks
1474979;1464817843;mod6;<+asciilifeform> the two SEPARATE leaks that we identified will have to die. << werd
1474980;1464817912;mod6;<+asciilifeform> (recall, block index is RETARDEDLY kept resident in ram, being first leak) << yeah, getting these into `t' for the trb project will be a big main priority once i get tbot deployed.
1474981;1464817952;mod6;ah sure, looks like the same board.
1474982;1464818000;mod6;whats the approx cost on a deal like this? $100?
1474983;1464818020;mod6;(with disk)
1474984;1464818039;asciilifeform;mod6: depends how much disk you buy, neh ?
1474985;1464818046;asciilifeform;also it seems to have rtc battery !
1474986;1464818057;asciilifeform;bottom left hand of underside photo from last link.
1474987;1464818104;asciilifeform;mod6: the test unit i showed you cost me fiddybux exactly.
1474988;1464818115;asciilifeform;~3d ago.
1474989;1464818137;asciilifeform;quite likely that, like pogo, these can be had cheaper in some qty.
1474990;1464818138;mod6;nice
1474991;1464818139;asciilifeform;somewhere.
1474992;1464818169;asciilifeform;they are not sold with disks.
1474993;1464818174;asciilifeform;you gotta stuff in your own.
1474994;1464819148;mod6;asciilifeform: ahhh
1474995;1464820168;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474899 << it's been in use as a bona fide english term (which it is) on trilema, as the last repository of actual english (which it is). so there!
1474996;1464820168;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 20:25 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474528 << goddamnit: read article; fail to parse word ('edulcorously'); realise only two google results are (1) ben_vulpes uttering the word, and (2) this trilema artcile (the following day); end up checking roots of "edulcorate" (make something more acceptable or palatable) http://imgur.com/85Iy0el
1474997;1464820419;ben_vulpes;he also got the order wrong
1474998;1464820493;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474921 << did i miss the part where those 20 lines were all prefixed with turns out mp's ideas about the evolution of the world were right ; and mine wrong ; and i really should chillax on the paranoia score ?
1474999;1464820493;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 20:35 asciilifeform: so for 2x the cost, you get ~2x the juice.
1475000;1464820768;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474937 <<< we gonna have to wait for the book or are you putting it all on blog ?
1475001;1464820768;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 20:53 asciilifeform: (i am about to snap one, as soon as camera charges)
1475002;1464820818;mircea_popescu;because let me point out http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473515 to you.
1475003;1464820818;a111;Logged on 2016-05-30 00:59 mircea_popescu: next ones.
1475004;1464820854;mircea_popescu;motherfcuker.
1475005;1464820865;mircea_popescu;he's dedicated to being indisciplined above all else.
1475006;1464820877;mircea_popescu;do you know why there's no alf in russia, alf ? because they shot all of you. for this reason.
1475007;1464822783;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh they'll shoot all of me here soon enuff.
1475008;1464822792;asciilifeform;also the jp photo is better, use that one.
1475009;1464822804;*;asciilifeform brb - meat
1475010;1464823584;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474997 << notrly!
1475011;1464823584;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 22:33 ben_vulpes: he also got the order wrong
1475012;1464823615;Framedragger;oh, yes, i did.
1475013;1464823708;ben_vulpes;it's okay
1475014;1464823714;ben_vulpes;time is hard
1475015;1464823747;Framedragger;wibbly-wobbly
1475016;1464823753;ben_vulpes;political
1475017;1464823795;Framedragger;and quite possibly run by a chinese mining cartel to boot
1475018;1464823833;ben_vulpes;i was discussing implementation minutae of a timing project with my pm today
1475019;1464823895;ben_vulpes;said something along the lines of "and i have completely punted on the issue of testing whether or not events happen in the right timezone for the user. the testing strategy is to set the user tz to utc, the system tz to utc, and make assertions about when events fire."
1475020;1464823928;ben_vulpes;"because i do not have time before our delivery deadline to figure out the millisecond offset between utc and n number of other timezones, depending on how thoroughly we want to test this."
1475021;1464823930;ben_vulpes;pm winces
1475022;1464823952;ben_vulpes;"much less figure out how daylight savings time factors into the problem. and how in which timezone."
1475023;1464823966;ben_vulpes;pm physically recoils, "jesus i didn't even think about that"
1475024;1464823970;ben_vulpes;*million yard stare*
1475025;1464824032;ben_vulpes;http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html << oblig
1475026;1464824149;Framedragger;*shudders*. reminded me of this: https://qntm.org/unit
1475027;1464824801;Framedragger;ah hence the 'political' term. (naggum).
1475028;1464825035;ben_vulpes;no, logz.
1475029;1464825059;ben_vulpes;aight maybe some naggum as well. but there are extended discussions of political time in the logs.
1475030;1464825085;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22political+time%22 << start there
1475031;1464825169;Framedragger;kthx
1475032;1464825356;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474906   <<< neato asciilifeform
1475033;1464825357;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 20:31 asciilifeform: http://www.frostyplace.com/index.php?story_id=11202 << i may have found a replacement for pogo.
1475034;1464825569;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474998 << waiwat
1475035;1464825570;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 22:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474921 << did i miss the part where those 20 lines were all prefixed with turns out mp's ideas about the evolution of the world were right ; and mine wrong ; and i really should chillax on the paranoia score ?
1475036;1464825589;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu predict that other nas gadgets will be found and i - that they won't ? or sumthinglikethat?
1475037;1464825624;asciilifeform;thing is only a replacement for pogo in that it does >= what pogo did and 'only' costs 2.5x moar
1475038;1464825629;asciilifeform;instead of 5x
1475039;1464825640;asciilifeform;(like every other known device that does >= pogo)
1475040;1464825820;shinohai;Case looks to be brushed aluminum or something, appears well built.
1475041;1464825960;asciilifeform;shinohai: it is ~astonishingly~ solid
1475042;1464825971;asciilifeform;as in, you could crack a skull.
1475043;1464826483;shinohai;"To Gavin, from tmsr" *crack*
1475044;1464826639;asciilifeform;anyway it isn't a wunderwaffen, just a $50 really-nice-pogo.
1475045;1464826664;asciilifeform;at least once i finally pop a shell on it.
1475046;1464826791;shinohai;Do keep us apprised I may consider working one into lab budget at that price.
1475047;1464828095;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1475048;1464828101;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 536.22, vol: 5387.36655018 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 524.363, vol: 5771.7118 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 535.4, vol: 27767.72284591 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 0.91928901 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 544.455639, vol: 51316.58910000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 534.88, vol: 2018.13619674 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 535.98981, vol: 51.22597362 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1475049;1464828108;shinohai;;;more
1475050;1464828108;gribble;539.779921492
1475051;1464832534;BingoBoingo;$s cookie chief
1475052;1464832535;a111;2 results for "cookie chief", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=cookie%20chief
1475053;1464832589;shinohai;COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKIE crisp
1475054;1464832630;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1475029 << it really all proceeds from discussing naggum's thing.
1475055;1464832630;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 23:50 ben_vulpes: aight maybe some naggum as well. but there are extended discussions of political time in the logs.
1475056;1464832697;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1475036 << leaving aside various minor points, the large standing dispute currently is whether whatever bullshit "control technology" has or has not meaningful impact on "free computing". and you're, unrepentently to the point of denial, on the wrong side of it.
1475057;1464832697;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 23:59 asciilifeform: did mircea_popescu predict that other nas gadgets will be found and i - that they won't ? or sumthinglikethat?
1475058;1464832738;mircea_popescu;that's the large thread : that whatosever shall happen, it will serve the state partly and the republic fully ; without exception and without respite but apparent and momentary.
1475059;1464832771;deedbot;[Qntra] Spread Between Chinese And Other Exchanges Settles With Dollar Lower Against Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2016/06/spread-between-chinese-and-other-exchanges-settles-with-dollar-lower-against-bitcoin/
1475060;1464832798;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i stand by my hypothesis. the pogos etc. are NOT workstations.
1475061;1464832805;asciilifeform;and new workstations ARE unavailable.
1475062;1464832835;mircea_popescu;this is ~exactly like the one where you "can't" build your blog rather than obama's platform, because "commute" or whatever the reason was.
1475063;1464832852;mircea_popescu;wholly pebkac.
1475064;1464832855;asciilifeform;nah that's sloth.
1475065;1464832866;asciilifeform;failure to fabricate opteron in kitchen - also sloth ?
1475066;1464832898;mircea_popescu;that you take the same lump of shit, make "different" (to you!) figurines out of it and then call one fred and the other alison is not substantively interesting you realise.
1475067;1464832915;mircea_popescu;it might be endearing to the woman interested in you, but it says not one inch about shit.
1475068;1464832923;asciilifeform;can haz concrete ? where do i get NEW workstation.
1475069;1464832933;mircea_popescu;i just gave you a list of concrete.
1475070;1464832940;asciilifeform;or what, workstations somehow irrelevant now in mircea_popescu's planet.
1475071;1464832952;mircea_popescu;the way concrete works is you have to swallow the concrete provided, not try and invent what at the time seems like "he won't be able to provide PINK CONCRETE!111"
1475072;1464832972;asciilifeform;i dun see the relevance of where i put rubbish pastebins to anything.
1475073;1464833004;mircea_popescu;so you have trouble respecting your own work. fine. what of it ?
1475074;1464833016;BingoBoingo;Depends on the phosphorous content of the shit? Interesting restrictions on phosphorous containing fertilizers are being placed out of concern for "water quality" at a time when "peak phosphor" is a quiet concern...
1475075;1464833035;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i thought phosphorus is good!
1475076;1464833065;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's wonderful and necessary! But... "green washing"
1475077;1464833070;mircea_popescu;a
1475078;1464833106;BingoBoingo;I mean you can skip phosphorous if you dun care that your plants develop non-retard roots.
1475079;1464833116;BingoBoingo;*retard roots
1475080;1464833171;shinohai;My shit glows in the dark due to high phosphorous content.
1475081;1464833179;BingoBoingo;You know what thrives with low phosphorous retard roots? "Corn"
1475082;1464833205;mircea_popescu;when i was growing up all sorta amateur dieteticians of the 3rd age were all liek "oh, eat that, it's good for you, has phosophorus"
1475083;1464833226;BingoBoingo;Just pump all the anhydrous amonia you can into the soil, topgrowth is the only thing salable anyways.
1475084;1464833240;BingoBoingo;Nevermind that some days are windy...
1475085;1464833246;*;asciilifeform recalls when gardeners 'cheated with nitrates' and sold hypertrophied but 'inedible' produce in bazaar
1475086;1464833262;asciilifeform;did they have nitrate panic in mircea_popesculand ?
1475087;1464833265;mircea_popescu;now it's pretty much the "supermarket" norm innit
1475088;1464833273;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1475089;1464833298;asciilifeform;and aha, pretty sure it is sop in usa now.
1475090;1464833343;mircea_popescu;can't beat cheap.
1475091;1464833585;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway ; i dun specifically mean to piss on your lone-flying-fortress parade. but you gotta appreciate it's a stylistical preference for interpreting reality, rather than actual reality.
1475092;1464833606;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is welcome to piss, the rocketz in the parade dun care!11
1475093;1464833624;mircea_popescu;i bet you whatever you want just as we sit here there's some dude flying some desk somewhere (that used to be mahogany, and used to have plants around! ahh cold war!) to whom we seem the very perennial rats
1475094;1464833641;mircea_popescu;that because... well... we are.
1475095;1464833642;mircea_popescu;"haven't these rednecks figured out anarchy dun work already!!11"
1475096;1464833643;mircea_popescu;etc.
1475097;1464833644;asciilifeform;also i dun have a porthole into Actual Reality (tm) here, only the other one.
1475098;1464833651;asciilifeform;and yeah surely.
1475099;1464833671;mircea_popescu;yeah you do, you just dun wanna look!
1475100;1464833690;mircea_popescu;the secret i'm sharing is that there's no monogamous relationship with reality : looking at any of them nude doesn't end your relationship. with any of them.
1475101;1464833718;mircea_popescu;this magic is called context by the more perverse euros.
1475102;1464834173;BingoBoingo;Question of the day, how did this man not blow all his money on chumpatron before getting 2.5 acre yard https://archive.is/MeYnF
1475103;1464834325;shinohai;Right in mod6 's backyard!
1475104;1464834380;*;BingoBoingo wondering if the product applied was glyphosate or diquat
1475105;1464834595;BingoBoingo;If Diquat good luck applying seed or new sod for at least a month.
1475106;1464834893;shinohai;Dear Lord Sithrak, please protect me from teamviewer haxxorz
1475107;1464835327;BingoBoingo;Reddit DIY Projects https://www.reddit.com/r/electricians/comments/4m45uq/my_first_sub_panel/
1475108;1464835339;BingoBoingo;"I'll have you know it's a load bearing sock"
1475109;1464835409;shinohai;inb4 asciilifeform barfing
1475110;1464835524;shinohai;All those positive comments, it's like gold stars from kindergarten teacher
1475111;1464835593;asciilifeform;l0l vicegrips
1475112;1464835957;mod6;<+shinohai> Right in mod6 's backyard! << lol srsly
1475113;1464836367;mircea_popescu;is that thing from a "mining farm" ?
1475114;1464836436;asciilifeform;soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
1475115;1464836441;asciilifeform;i have a shell.
1475116;1464836445;shinohai;\o/
1475117;1464836452;asciilifeform;on ye olde piece-o-shit
1475118;1464836519;shinohai;Is it turd worth polishing?
1475119;1464836542;asciilifeform;is as described on box.
1475120;1464836551;asciilifeform;ships with, of all things, 'fedora 12'.
1475121;1464836558;shinohai;ewwww
1475122;1464836560;asciilifeform;i had nfi it even existed on arm.
1475123;1464836658;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Indeterminate
1475124;1464836907;asciilifeform;in other newz, an orlol, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/05/a-russian-warning.html
1475125;1464837556;shinohai;http://www.seeker.com/male-spiders-attracted-to-young-big-fat-females-1834450018.html   <<< American spiders rejoice
1475126;1464865785;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6853890073265 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Brian McDonald <brianm@ou.edu>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/403ADCADE94C1040C399D0ADBF2FB49D66B5C1265718AC90EDDF2906C904DF37
1475127;1464869166;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/NQI
1475128;1464869167;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1475129;1464872153;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, breakfast! http://67.media.tumblr.com/a2f1af6815917dc4ba5379c3ad333336/tumblr_o18gjxkGuG1u921buo1_500.gif
1475130;1464872523;ben_vulpes;pretty weak output
1475131;1464872541;mircea_popescu;yeah doesn't reallty get going proper w/o a kid.
1475132;1464872701;ben_vulpes;but good morning all
1475133;1464872709;ben_vulpes;neat find asciilifeform
1475134;1464875491;asciilifeform;$s "brianm@ou.edu"
1475135;1464875492;a111;2 results for "\"brianm@ou.edu\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22brianm%40ou.edu%22
1475136;1464875532;asciilifeform;must've been one of the ones missed on account of the unique-id crapola.
1475137;1464875553;asciilifeform;(this is the 3rd factor found for this - non-mirrored!1111111 - mod.)
1475138;1464875640;mircea_popescu;kinda low factors too
1475139;1464875729;asciilifeform;these all have low factors
1475140;1464875751;asciilifeform;(iirc nobody but some clearly deliberate troll had ~high~ one)
1475141;1464880276;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 30421 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Jurov (Test of SSH->PGP RSA pubkey convertor #2 - purposedly b0rkt); ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D52511520F8C3A1153E5FF232315A740A39CB20508CA953A0B0A9B5A62EBA6C9
1475142;1464880337;asciilifeform;^ congrats jurov
1475143;1464880427;jurov;yw. why the webinterface still shows "Ok, for now"?
1475144;1464880468;jurov;ah now it's updated
1475145;1464880480;asciilifeform;cache
1475146;1464881297;asciilifeform;ACHTUNG, PANZERS!
1475147;1464881306;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1644
1475148;1464881338;asciilifeform;(where did the deedbot auto-title thing go ?)
1475149;1464881386;ben_vulpes;awesome!
1475150;1464881394;deedbot;[Loper OS] Terraforming the “MyCloud Mini” : TTY. - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1644
1475151;1464881440;trinque;deedbot never did that, does do RSS tho
1475152;1464881446;asciilifeform;ah
1475153;1464881453;trinque;not that it'd be bad to add.
1475154;1464881823;asciilifeform;the pathetic part is that my 'mycloud' appears to have nuked its own nand somehow (not, fortunately, the uboot, but the idiot fedora thing. apparently it was mounting itself read-write - on a motherfucking eeprom! - and didn't like being reset a dozen times when i fiddled with the probes)
1475155;1464881872;asciilifeform;gotta love the poetteringola.
1475156;1464881881;asciilifeform;MODERN!11111
1475157;1464881888;asciilifeform;CODE OF CONDUCT!!!!!!!
1475158;1464881931;asciilifeform;the only cure for these folks, i suspect. is to SPIN LIKE PROPELLERS on mircea_popescu's raging cock.
1475159;1464882081;ben_vulpes;d'aww
1475160;1464882090;ben_vulpes;that's pretty funny.
1475161;1464882102;asciilifeform;tragicomedic.
1475162;1464882194;asciilifeform;anyway thing oughta be safe to use so long as nand is never mounted r/w.
1475163;1464882199;asciilifeform;which... WHY THE FUCK would you.
1475164;1464882428;ben_vulpes;i don't know much about computers, less about tiny things, but this is the segment of memory that holds the thing's os, yes?
1475165;1464882441;ben_vulpes;and it has aux storage for whatever else, yes?
1475166;1464882474;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: thing ships with a 256M flash, which is partitioned into pieces
1475167;1464882510;asciilifeform;it boots from the bottom, into its chinese fork of widely-used loader 'uboot'
1475168;1464882520;asciilifeform;somewhat analogous to, e.g., 'grub' on pc
1475169;1464882527;asciilifeform;precisely like pogo did.
1475170;1464882547;asciilifeform;after that it load kernel from the next partition and boots that
1475171;1464882551;asciilifeform;like pogo.
1475172;1464882572;asciilifeform;kernel mounts its root partition (or tries to, mine no longer does!) - also like pogo. or your pc.
1475173;1464882575;asciilifeform;that'd be all.
1475174;1464882598;ben_vulpes;because root partition should be read only.
1475175;1464882683;asciilifeform;on embedded box, running off cheap flash - surely
1475176;1464882720;ben_vulpes;yeah, herp.
1475177;1464883070;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8d12feaa-cb19-4c6c-ba79-eda5f9c905b9 << what we get now.
1475178;1464883119;asciilifeform;more hilariously, the FIRST exception barf is NORMAL on the stock fw
1475179;1464883123;asciilifeform;(back when it booted)
1475180;1464883170;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu was not wrong: 'web'-style programming is slowly spreading everywhere.
1475181;1464883244;asciilifeform;^ alert reader will notice that the 'mycloud' DOES have a working rtc battery.
1475182;1464883298;trinque;nowai
1475183;1464883313;asciilifeform;trinque: little thing, on underside of pcb.
1475184;1464883320;trinque;very neat
1475185;1464883349;asciilifeform;the daughterboard appears to have only 1 led on it, and nothing else!
1475186;1464883356;asciilifeform;and said led isn't even really visible from outside the chassis
1475187;1464883363;asciilifeform;this great mystery.
1475188;1464883399;asciilifeform;(it has unpopulated pads for what appears to be additional usb jacks and a switch)
1475189;1464883479;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: thing has no 'aux storage' other than a big internal coffin for 2.5" hdd, external sata jack, and some usb.
1475190;1464883549;shinohai;The led is meant to send all your seekrets back to China by flashing them in morse code.
1475191;1464883826;asciilifeform;thing has a buncha unpopulated gpio's.
1475192;1464883858;asciilifeform;only that 1 blinkenlight tho, not counting the nic jack's.
1475193;1464884749;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: thing can be, apparently, booted from tftp, pogo-style.
1475194;1464887061;ben_vulpes;nifty indeed
1475195;1464887201;asciilifeform;unlike pogo with hdd in its strange angular cradle, these things will handily fit in that colo rack BingoBoingo had subscribed to, where they give you five inch pedestals.
1475196;1464887219;asciilifeform;fwiw.
1475197;1464887309;asciilifeform;the one pogo item missing is the sd slot - which imho was ~useless.
1475198;1464887355;ben_vulpes;due to r/w speed iirc?
1475199;1464887362;asciilifeform;aha
1475200;1464887372;ben_vulpes;mhm.
1475201;1464887417;asciilifeform;sd is optimized for camera (light duty, short bursts of write)
1475202;1464887439;asciilifeform;you can buy reasonably fast ones but the bus is a bottleneck and their cost approaches that of proper ssd.
1475203;1464892996;asciilifeform;in other nyooz,
1475204;1464893016;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu sks-2016 sawed apart (took ~30 hrs) and now pumping in.
1475205;1464893016;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1475206;1464893026;mircea_popescu;win.
1475207;1464893032;mircea_popescu;;;seen punkman
1475208;1464893032;gribble;punkman was last seen in #trilema 2 weeks, 6 days, 12 hours, 26 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <punkman> it does but you need various packages to compile it
1475209;1464893043;mircea_popescu;how the hell does this work ;/
1475210;1464893046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's mostly inhabiting the ruinz
1475211;1464893076;asciilifeform;along with funkenstein, thestringpuller, fluffypony, and kakobrekla
1475212;1464893084;mircea_popescu;as time goes on i guess we'll be seeing a lot more of this low level maggotry.
1475213;1464893092;mircea_popescu;"hey, just wanted to make a living blabla"
1475214;1464893095;mircea_popescu;anyways.
1475215;1464893098;asciilifeform;i have nfi.
1475216;1464893107;asciilifeform;not everybody wants to play in same box, i suppose.
1475217;1464893124;mircea_popescu;that's for items with will.
1475218;1464893131;asciilifeform;l0l
1475219;1464893139;mircea_popescu;here, it was "oh, mp got free box why not" sorta zakorusism
1475220;1464893181;asciilifeform;lel, when ever did mp give out free shitz, you pay in body fluidz
1475221;1464893207;mircea_popescu;right ; that you then forget to deliver.
1475222;1464893338;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu still suffering from his sinus thing ?
1475223;1464893338;mircea_popescu;anyway, wiped. i guess once tbot's here ima put the silkroad dump thing in there, maybe it's still around by the time someone figures out the world enough.
1475224;1464893342;mircea_popescu;somewhat./
1475225;1464893353;mircea_popescu;;;rate punkman -1 timewaster.
1475226;1464893353;gribble;Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
1475227;1464893356;mircea_popescu;eh.
1475228;1464893360;mircea_popescu;$rate punkman -1 timewaster.
1475229;1464893366;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/787f1bc3-697e-4c16-ab4d-f4ba5327cbf2/
1475230;1464893406;mircea_popescu;$v 8D48CF1AEB9C9948EC97CAA65468010F733A03D063160739D8FCAFE3BCBB7D73
1475231;1464893406;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of punkman from 1 to -1 << timewaster.
1475232;1464893434;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if all it is, is a tarball of crud, i can pry out the pgp keyz myself
1475233;1464893483;mircea_popescu;it's not anything currently ; other than a job for someone. a someone a lot like him.
1475234;1464893491;asciilifeform;iirc it was public somewhere ?
1475235;1464893493;mircea_popescu;you know how in the old days night watchmen all had a lame leg ?
1475236;1464893496;asciilifeform;aha!
1475237;1464893503;mircea_popescu;there's jobs for sorts of people. this was a job for punkman.
1475238;1464893511;asciilifeform;but if watchman is a drunk, healthy man is stuck with job
1475239;1464893528;mircea_popescu;no, the police just beats people found stealing 3x as hard.
1475240;1464893533;asciilifeform;this also.
1475241;1464893535;mircea_popescu;to make up for the times they get away with it.
1475242;1464893805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in other oildrums of fluidz, we have tty on new b0x.
1475243;1464893831;mircea_popescu;cool. now remind me why this was needed / useful and most importantly, how it became a priority.
1475244;1464893876;asciilifeform;it isn't priority. discovered that thing exists, bought, determined pinout, published diagram, put thing in crate for later.
1475245;1464893884;asciilifeform;~1h.
1475246;1464893897;asciilifeform;posted for aspiring pogotronicists.
1475247;1464893943;asciilifeform;as for where useful - pretty much anywhere cheap nonx86 server thing is called for.
1475248;1464894076;asciilifeform;my idea was, here, to give it to the 'one legged' folk.
1475249;1464894094;asciilifeform;so it can go and happen without me touching it.
1475250;1464894115;asciilifeform;but so far this works, in most cases, like the punkman thing 'worked.'
1475251;1464894138;mircea_popescu;quite. i wouldn't bother with it. "making a life" so that everyone can have one neglects the obvious point that if one fucking wanted one, he'd have made it long ago.
1475252;1464894147;asciilifeform;which is to say, it sits and waits for me! grrrrrr
1475253;1464894165;mircea_popescu;too many good places to waste away, most of which also give away pills, along with the food. why bother.
1475254;1464894170;asciilifeform;at least now i have 15 of 16 shiva hands free again.
1475255;1464894180;mircea_popescu;yeah but try and fill them from a sorted list
1475256;1464894186;mircea_popescu;rather than kid in the candy store
1475257;1464894215;asciilifeform;1 hand is always reserved for chance finds.
1475258;1464894224;asciilifeform;'luck favours prepared mind' (tm) (r)
1475259;1464894234;mircea_popescu;very much so.
1475260;1464894265;asciilifeform;;;seen Framedragger
1475261;1464894265;gribble;Framedragger was last seen in #trilema 19 hours, 11 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <Framedragger> kthx
1475262;1464894269;*;mircea_popescu learned this as a teen, whenceupon leaving the shop cashier was "ask me out". "aren't you busy ?!" genuinely puzzled mp. "not for you".
1475263;1464894279;mircea_popescu;girl that knows what she wants outperforms any other girl.
1475264;1464894286;asciilifeform;this - always.
1475265;1464894314;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-02#1475232   <<< was this where you wanted the pgp keys extracted from https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20archives ?
1475266;1464894315;a111;Logged on 2016-06-02 18:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if all it is, is a tarball of crud, i can pry out the pgp keyz myself
1475267;1464894349;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah, that was the one. also wanted the ratings reconstructed in an inspectable wot, if possible, and any other gems one might be able to provide
1475268;1464894367;asciilifeform;sr had a standardized rating system ?!
1475269;1464894368;mircea_popescu;~nobody cares about the druggies but policemen trying to live easily ; and anthropologists.
1475270;1464894372;mircea_popescu;and arthropods, i guess.
1475271;1464894380;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it had ~something.
1475272;1464894431;mircea_popescu;not properly made, no. sort of a temple rather than a hospital. still, kept some records.
1475273;1464894448;asciilifeform;probably best to treat this find as archaeological, rather than as part of actual wot
1475274;1464894454;mircea_popescu;absolutely.
1475275;1464894462;asciilifeform;(otherwise smacks of the mormon practice of 'converting' the dead)
1475276;1464894473;mircea_popescu;we even lolled about this back a month ago or w/e
1475277;1464894482;asciilifeform;ah hm we did didn't we.
1475278;1464894547;asciilifeform;Moduli Waiting for Test: 712
1475279;1464894556;mircea_popescu;that's all ?
1475280;1464894560;asciilifeform;(half hour in !)
1475281;1464894572;mircea_popescu;:p
1475282;1464894586;mircea_popescu;what's this, like 2 years' delta on the sks ?
1475283;1464894605;shinohai;~1.6TB O.o
1475284;1464894613;asciilifeform;1y
1475285;1464894726;mircea_popescu;shinohai most of it is shitty pictures of the same boring crap over and over
1475286;1464895139;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-02#1475251 >>>> relevant vintage lul >> http://www.sff.net/people/doylemacdonald/l_tomlin.htm
1475287;1464895139;a111;Logged on 2016-06-02 19:02 mircea_popescu: quite. i wouldn't bother with it. "making a life" so that everyone can have one neglects the obvious point that if one fucking wanted one, he'd have made it long ago.
1475288;1464895177;shinohai;I seriously need to get another SSD with mega capacity.
1475289;1464895251;mircea_popescu;shinohai you don't have to unpack the whole thing at the same time, it's made of parts
1475290;1464895318;shinohai;ah werd, thanx
1475291;1464895376;asciilifeform;http://www.cftc.gov/PressRoom/PressReleases/pr7380-16 << l0ltr0n1c
1475292;1464895399;asciilifeform;'CFTC Orders Bitcoin Exchange Bitfinex to Pay $75,000 for Offering Illegal Off-Exchange Financed Retail Commodity Transactions and Failing to Register as a Futures Commission Merchant'
1475293;1464895518;mircea_popescu;check it out, usg so desperate is even trying to co-opt shambling forum scams now.
1475294;1464895534;mircea_popescu;what, cftc is going to sprinkle some magic water and suddenly bitfinex is going to actually be dealing in bitcoin, somehow ?
1475295;1464895547;mircea_popescu;oh right, as long as they keep it from going up, right. heh.
1475296;1464895552;mircea_popescu;fucktards already.
1475297;1464896772;asciilifeform;http://i.imgur.com/w11p9Ij.jpg << 'power on indicator'
1475298;1464898105;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-02#1475297   <<< lolz
1475299;1464898105;a111;Logged on 2016-06-02 19:46 asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/w11p9Ij.jpg << 'power on indicator'
1475300;1464898161;deedbot;[Qntra] Teamviewer User Information Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/teamviewer-user-information-hacked/
1475301;1464898161;deedbot;[serialized delusions] Converting RSA public keys from OpenSSH into GPG - http://explo.yt/post/2016/05/20/Parsing-OpenSSH-RSA-keys-in-Python
1475302;1464898352;jurov;asciilifeform: ^ snippet for your perusal
1475303;1464901595;asciilifeform;american military lulz, http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/32126574/blue-angels-jet-crashes-in-smyrna
1475304;1464901780;asciilifeform;jurov: neato
1475305;1464902192;mircea_popescu;uh.
1475306;1464902195;mircea_popescu;"crashes" ?!
1475307;1464902283;mircea_popescu;apparently crashes.
1475308;1464902284;asciilifeform;mowed the grass, if you prefer.
1475309;1464902309;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform at first i thought it was the proper smyrna
1475310;1464902313;asciilifeform;eh no
1475311;1464902322;mircea_popescu;ya know... whadda ya mean "crashed"
1475312;1464902342;asciilifeform;iirc these regularly explode -- sometimes into audience, as in rammstein
1475313;1464902352;asciilifeform;long, proud tradition !11111
1475314;1464902381;mircea_popescu;yeah
1475315;1464902390;mircea_popescu;small jets aren't particularly reliable
1475316;1464902398;asciilifeform;esp not when acrobatic
1475317;1464902404;mircea_popescu;well... the large ones aren't either, at least not the way the us builds em
1475318;1464902407;asciilifeform;or, for that matter, built to last
1475319;1464902424;asciilifeform;they were, at least in principle, built to go up quickly, launch rocket, and then die
1475320;1464902438;asciilifeform;(why not simply launch rocket from the earth is an exercise for the reader...)
1475321;1464902780;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> (why not simply launch rocket from the earth is an exercise for the reader...) << "Jobs" program
1475322;1464903654;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: and strafing aboriginals, dunforget
1475323;1464903685;BingoBoingo;Hey, the F-4 that did 'Nam didn't have gun to strafe with
1475324;1464905583;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1475325;1464905591;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 536.37, vol: 3869.53224643 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 525.39, vol: 4148.20158 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 536.77, vol: 16207.63102277 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 516.13, vol: 6.982 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 544.207554, vol: 33923.53980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 534.94, vol: 1776.81822872 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 540.96984, vol: 45.04970153 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1475326;1464905598;BingoBoingo;;;more
1475327;1464905599;gribble;540.110360595
1475328;1464912041;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-02#1475260 << (i'm busy with afk stuff and most probably won't be able to resume the ipv4 ssh keyscan thing until some time next week. but i'll ping you once this is done)
1475329;1464912041;a111;Logged on 2016-06-02 19:04 asciilifeform: ;;seen Framedragger
1475330;1464913005;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIh8L59sd30 << for mircea_popescu and asciilifeform
1475331;1464914087;trinque;thatsapenis.gif
1475332;1464914198;ben_vulpes;tin cock!
1475333;1464914567;phf;Gentlemen, I'm going to be away from civilization until Monday. I failed to get log bot auto reconnect operational in time, which means that if the bot is dropped by freenode, the log won't be updated until I come back on Monday. I apologize for this truly barbaric situation, meanwhile in case of failure you can use http://glyf.org/h/t-a?back=1 and send curses my way. 
1475334;1464914680;phf;;;later tell asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475333
1475335;1464914681;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 00:42 phf: Gentlemen, I'm going to be away from civilization until Monday. I failed to get log bot auto reconnect operational in time, which means that if the bot is dropped by freenode, the log won't be updated until I come back on Monday. I apologize for this truly barbaric situation, meanwhile in case of failure you can use http://glyf.org/h/t-a?back=1 and send curses my way.
1475336;1464914681;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1475337;1464914732;phf;;;later tell mircea_popescu ^
1475338;1464914733;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1475339;1464914811;deedbot;[Qntra] Death Rate Rises In United States, Officials Puzzled - http://qntra.net/2016/06/death-rate-rises-in-united-states-officials-puzzled/
1475340;1464914831;BingoBoingo;phf: There is another way http://powerequipment.honda.com/generators/inverter-generators
1475341;1464914890;phf;Hehe but also will need satellite phone
1475342;1464914964;BingoBoingo;No, encode your bits in the exhaust note. Acoustic is a thing.
1475343;1464915027;BingoBoingo;In other bright ideas https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1335949
1475344;1464915483;BingoBoingo;In still further news, why is Amazon.com still a thing? https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Home-smallest-diesel-inverter-generator_60282975913.html
1475345;1464915632;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475343   <<< this made my head hurt.
1475346;1464915632;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 00:50 BingoBoingo: In other bright ideas https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1335949
1475347;1464915652;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anyway, wiped. i guess once tbot's here ima put the silkroad dump thing in there, maybe it's still around by the time someone figures out the world enough. << in related tbot news: i've got 8 remaining steps outlined to get us to the initial rollout in here.  each isn't super hard or anything, working on the first one as I type this.
1475348;1464915654;BingoBoingo;But alt-reddit has ideas
1475349;1464915702;shinohai;I'm sure any day now he will create the world's first perpetual energy machine.
1475350;1464916081;BingoBoingo;Of flip his kayak on the lake
1475351;1464917065;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes nb i guess ? /me hasn't been following the whole "let's make muscles" thing
1475352;1464917095;mircea_popescu;kik ;;later tell ^ ftw.
1475353;1464917134;mircea_popescu;mod6 sweet.
1475354;1464917401;mod6;yeah, just some infrastructure stuff needs to get setup, auth for fleanode, marshalling of data around to expose the tickets, etc.
1475355;1464917407;mod6;but getting closer...
1475356;1464917631;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1475357;1464917959;shinohai;I got bumblebee problem, wat do? http://webmshare.com/play/44gLn
1475358;1464918149;mircea_popescu;man...
1475359;1464918228;trinque;ah man that went south fast
1475360;1464918266;ben_vulpes;eeee
1475361;1464918270;mod6;wow
1475362;1464918283;shinohai;:D
1475363;1464918364;BingoBoingo;Ah, rosebudding
1475364;1464918380;mircea_popescu;really, that looks like a prop.
1475365;1464918382;mod6;see. anal++, but prolapse--.
1475366;1464918454;shinohai;For when fisting just isn't enough I guess.
1475367;1464918995;mod6;ok sweet. so got the instance for tbot up and going. tbot is running.
1475368;1464919026;mod6;it does log the channel activity too, Mr. P., so maybe phf can make use of that if he needs.
1475369;1464919099;mod6;well, guess that's one thing off the list.
1475370;1464919225;shinohai;gg mod6
1475371;1464919330;mircea_popescu;ah that's nice.
1475372;1464919367;mircea_popescu;so where is it mod6 ?
1475373;1464919433;mod6;the log?  atm, it's still in the instance that runs tbot.
1475374;1464919461;mod6;but once i have my remaining ~6 steps done, it'll be moved to something like thebitcoin.foundation/tickets or something for general consumption by phf or whomever.
1475375;1464919491;mod6;this makes sense to me, because i don't want this irc bot to reside on the same host as the webserver.
1475376;1464919505;mod6;is that what you were meaning by 'it'?
1475377;1464919690;mod6;format will be like this:
1475378;1464919692;mod6;[20160603:02:07:33] [mod6] [werd up]
1475379;1464919707;mod6;phf: something that looks like this ^^ ok or helpful?
1475380;1464919758;mod6;it currently doesn't log join/part info.
1475381;1464919771;mod6;but i was guessing that's alright.
1475382;1464919822;mod6;this was implemented as a means to ensure that the logs don't miss anything should one of the other bots drop off of a few minutes or something.
1475383;1464920109;mircea_popescu;mod6 yeah i guess those details can be you know, set when he's back
1475384;1464920134;mod6;yea for sure.
1475385;1464920144;mod6;it's in mega-retard mode atm anyway.
1475386;1464920147;mod6;it doesn't roll.
1475387;1464920159;mod6;so i gotta kinda fuck with that a bit yet.
1475388;1464920171;mod6;anyway, a work in progress.
1475389;1464920246;mircea_popescu;and in other japanews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/1904e39d9c0714d833fd435cd5f0faa2/tumblr_o0de7zkzHV1u9ovyno1_400.gif
1475390;1464920589;mod6;lol
1475391;1464921571;asciilifeform;l0L!!
1475392;1464921575;asciilifeform;fixtures!
1475393;1464921593;asciilifeform;beats silicon valley 'bike meeting' crapola.
1475394;1464921621;asciilifeform;http://www.sjbikeparty.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/meetingbike.jpg
1475395;1464921632;asciilifeform;(as popularized by the movie)
1475396;1464921691;asciilifeform;https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6f/ac/13/6fac137a623eed812e743953eeb982f0.jpg << same machine, empty
1475397;1464923031;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 107199267671743147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'simplesecure <simplesecure@verysimple.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73B5D08E0F43710FC8E04037FFDE987E9C2F648297F9D24CE29D4068A7B86964
1475398;1464923241;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitfinex Pays Protection Money To US CFTC - http://qntra.net/2016/06/bitfinex-pays-protection-money-to-us-cftc/
1475399;1464924119;mircea_popescu;good thing the trycicle-shopping-cart is built sturdy
1475400;1464924505;mod6;still fighting that cold Mr. P.?
1475401;1464924890;mod6;I finally got all of my plants planted.
1475402;1464924912;mod6;But, I gotta replant some of them.  Got a handfull of 'em way to close together.
1475403;1464924953;mod6;if I can find a spot for it, I may build that lean-to you were talkin about
1475404;1464924956;mod6;(for next year)
1475405;1464925534;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475397 << lel, nonmirrored
1475406;1464925534;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 03:03 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 107199267671743147 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'simplesecure <simplesecure@verysimple.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/73B5D08E0F43710FC8E04037FFDE987E9C2F648297F9D24CE29D4068A7B86964
1475407;1464925654;asciilifeform;http://verysimple.com << still there. but what???
1475408;1464925694;asciilifeform;paid up from '96 through 2018.
1475409;1464926152;ben_vulpes;the mysteries this thing turns up
1475410;1464926248;trinque;https://www.google.com/search?complete=0&site=webhp&source=hp&q=%22Compiling+ffmpeg+on+OSX+is+fairly+straightforward+except+for+a+few+prerequisites+and+configuration+options.%22&complete=0&tbo=1&tbs=li:1
1475411;1464926285;asciilifeform;so far there are only really 2 genuine mysteries -- 1) who generated the mirrored keys 2) which winblowz turd of a pgptron used unfiltered sewage for rsa modulus
1475412;1464926335;trinque;that "blog content" is found on a number of other pages
1475413;1464926340;asciilifeform;(2) ought to be, in principle, mechanically resolvable.
1475414;1464926347;asciilifeform;if anyone had the time & patience.
1475415;1464926386;asciilifeform;if i were a mircea_popescu i might put up a bounty or the like.
1475416;1464926399;asciilifeform;or have a fleet of gurlz dredge up '90s pgptrons etc.
1475417;1464926424;asciilifeform;but i'm not, so all i can do is to suggest this here, as 'easy path to glory and fame.'
1475418;1464926579;asciilifeform;there is perhaps a third enigma,
1475419;1464926598;asciilifeform;if the item posited in (2) existed, why are there so few pubkeys which break trivially ?
1475420;1464926622;asciilifeform;presently i have only one hypothesis.
1475421;1464926720;asciilifeform;i will leave it as rot13 - znyjner be bgurejvfr rkgreany vaqvivqhnyyl-gnvyberq, if znff, fnobgntr bs n ctcgeba.
1475422;1464926735;asciilifeform;see if yours is same as mine.
1475423;1464926826;trinque;mass sabotage would be far messier, more risk of discovery
1475424;1464926841;asciilifeform;imho we can rule out mass.
1475425;1464926871;asciilifeform;generating unmassaged (no primality test) p and q in ALMOST ALL cases leads to a trivially phuctorable key.
1475426;1464926873;asciilifeform;try it yourself.
1475427;1464926889;asciilifeform;so it could NOT have been 'all keys made with proggy P.'
1475428;1464926900;asciilifeform;unless P had only a dozen users.
1475429;1464926930;asciilifeform;~but quite easily~ could have been 'proggy P in circumstance C'
1475430;1464926955;asciilifeform;for a P with ~any number~ of users.
1475431;1464926967;asciilifeform;elementarily.
1475432;1464927351;ben_vulpes;phf, asciilifeform: any experience with "mocl"?
1475433;1464927363;asciilifeform;nope
1475434;1464927399;asciilifeform;looks like payware.
1475435;1464927421;ben_vulpes;well yes
1475436;1464927433;asciilifeform;i wonder what common lisp they ripped off.
1475437;1464927456;asciilifeform;(sbcl is, iirc, bsd-licensed, so they could have 'legitimately' walked off with it, for instance)
1475438;1464927468;ben_vulpes;my guess is clozure
1475439;1464927501;ben_vulpes;but i do not know how apache 2 plays into it
1475440;1464927518;asciilifeform;waiwut
1475441;1464927573;ben_vulpes;am i...no?
1475442;1464927577;ben_vulpes;reading this incorrectly?
1475443;1464927586;asciilifeform;reading what?
1475444;1464927604;ben_vulpes;implications of clozure cl being licensed under apache 2.0
1475445;1464927626;asciilifeform;i have nfi, haven't used ccl in yearz
1475446;1464927783;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475427 << briefly returning to this thread, there is a remaining possibility - that at one point there were ~many more~ phuctorable pubkeys extant, but most were somehow purged, 'accidented' from sks. with that in mind i would ask for whosoever might know of a historic (1990s vintage) archive of pgp keyz.
1475447;1464927784;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 04:08 asciilifeform: so it could NOT have been 'all keys made with proggy P.'
1475448;1464927827;asciilifeform;we may be seeing a remnant.
1475449;1464928016;asciilifeform;oh and it's been a while,
1475450;1464928017;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".mil"
1475451;1464928020;asciilifeform;25
1475452;1464928032;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".gov"
1475453;1464928033;asciilifeform;9
1475454;1464928052;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i ".edu"
1475455;1464928054;asciilifeform;132
1475456;1464928080;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1475457;1464928451;asciilifeform;can't resist, http://verysimple.com/2013/06/21/not-knowing-what-else-to-do-i-baked-a-cake
1475458;1464928690;BingoBoingo;lol
1475459;1464929631;deedbot;[Qntra] Phishing Industry Shifts To Ransomware - http://qntra.net/2016/06/phishing-industry-shifts-to-ransomware/
1475460;1464930479;ben_vulpes;holy fucknuggets
1475461;1464930578;BingoBoingo;Which fucknuggets are you worshipping today?
1475462;1464930580;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/jasonhinkle/php-gpg << from asciilifeform's link
1475463;1464930594;ben_vulpes;the roadside shrine of phpcrypto
1475464;1464930603;BingoBoingo;Aha, that is a fine set of fucknuggets.
1475465;1464930703;ben_vulpes;blessed be those who port c to php
1475466;1464931007;BingoBoingo;Blessed Be
1475467;1464931226;mod6;lol
1475468;1464931732;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Fellow astronauts, sure. Fellow “American proles”, hmm… - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/02/fellow-astronauts-sure-fellow-american-proles-hmm/
1475469;1464932006;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475434 << this is actually very interesting
1475470;1464932006;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 04:16 asciilifeform: looks like payware.
1475471;1464932032;ben_vulpes;i am likely going to buy a license because what, i pay half that per year per staff member just to derp on ios shits with some modicum less of friction
1475472;1464932152;ben_vulpes;someone made a cool thing that appeals to certain of my perversities, so i throw the fellow a bone. bonus points, i can write toys for my own phone without having to retch about obj-c or swift constantly, or use one of the eldritch js horrors
1475473;1464932158;ben_vulpes;worst case scenario /i never use it/
1475474;1464932193;ben_vulpes;somewhat less bad, i use it, find it somewhere on the freeshare shit spectrum
1475475;1464932221;ben_vulpes;freeware*
1475476;1464955383;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform solrodar dude has solved the bounty problem, permanently.
1475477;1464955405;mircea_popescu;i'd rather give bitcoin 20 at a time to the dedicated bob becks than 1 at a time to their 20 year junior worm phase.
1475478;1464955453;mircea_popescu;bounty is for tits and naught else.
1475479;1464955642;mircea_popescu;and while on it : a) wake me up when ivy league is not only free to entry but pays "bounty" to some lazy ass fuckwads for doing the fucking course work and b) the notion that this place will always be free as in beer to join is the height of ridiculousness.
1475480;1464955784;mircea_popescu;(weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
1475481;1464955822;mircea_popescu;must be some sort of "this is how things MUST BE i say, and i dun care what the lab results show" sorta item.
1475482;1464955965;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror.
1475483;1464955965;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 04:05 asciilifeform: see if yours is same as mine.
1475484;1464956019;shinohai;morning #trilema
1475485;1464956320;mircea_popescu;hola
1475486;1464956488;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1475487;1464956492;gribble;Current Blocks: 414609 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 686 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1475488;1464956912;shinohai;dammit Qntra feed died on twitter overnight
1475489;1464957302;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475465 << really should be c++ to javascript.
1475490;1464957302;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 05:11 ben_vulpes: blessed be those who port c to php
1475491;1464957314;mircea_popescu;think about all those memory offsets that suddenly can't be ints anymore.
1475492;1464957480;mircea_popescu;and here's something for BingoBoingo : https://parts-unknown.org/reading/2016/06/02/neverhillary-why-some-progressives-reject-hillary-clinton-daily-bullshit-june-2-2016/
1475493;1464957502;mircea_popescu;random redditard whining paroxistic because hillary is "not equalitarian enough".
1475494;1464957638;mircea_popescu;the about page is also pretty humorous.
1475495;1464958274;shinohai;BingoBoingo: would you publish an article titled "21 dot co releases rebranded crack rock for the reddit niggers" ?
1475496;1464958379;mircea_popescu;what's the crack rock ?
1475497;1464958470;shinohai;crack rock being an adafruit sensor the simply rebranded and called their own
1475498;1464958523;shinohai;'We're gonna make pennies a day selling the data this thing collects guise!"
1475499;1464958542;shinohai;./end rant
1475500;1464958584;mircea_popescu;lol schmucks
1475501;1464958605;mircea_popescu;im sure it's yet another "technical leader" company consisting of the skeleton administrative crew of a failed dropshipper.
1475502;1464958690;shinohai;I'm on @21's shitlist for showing them the picture of the Bitcoin "embassy" from trilema.
1475503;1464958724;shinohai;God I love trilema mircea_popescu ...it triggers so many people.
1475504;1464958824;mircea_popescu;yeah, a bunch of idiots.
1475505;1464958923;shinohai;It's a great sieve,
1475506;1464958935;shinohai;or litmus test, however you prefer
1475507;1464959030;mircea_popescu;i prefer :p
1475508;1464959298;mircea_popescu;holy shit the stuff adafruit has on sale.
1475509;1464959305;mircea_popescu;it has never been this great to be a teenager, i swear.
1475510;1464959338;mircea_popescu;if one could somehow be protected from his imbecile ecofeminist mother / limpdick sec compliance father, that is.
1475511;1464959687;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 721678451 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sean Spillane (For public distribution. Will sign given adequate ID and authentication.) <tokuchan@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/864781822CD97BF399CC69446EAE99375685C425D99C61E0CF8F043C623E7772
1475512;1464959731;shinohai;When I was child, we only had radioshack kits and such
1475513;1464959768;shinohai;Forrest Mims books, etc
1475514;1464960033;mircea_popescu;yeah we could never make as cool robots as kid can today
1475515;1464961309;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475511 << holy shit
1475516;1464961309;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 13:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 721678451 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sean Spillane (For public distribution. Will sign given adequate ID and authentication.) <tokuchan@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/864781822CD97BF399CC69446EAE99375685C425D99C61E0CF8F043C623E7772
1475517;1464961317;asciilifeform;check it out.
1475518;1464961346;mircea_popescu;ordinary enough looking 4096 key what.
1475519;1464961354;asciilifeform;a modern gpg key
1475520;1464961363;asciilifeform;this is from the delta.
1475521;1464961381;mircea_popescu;i'm sure hanno boeck had it in his list.
1475522;1464961383;asciilifeform;no mirrorings or other nonsense either.
1475523;1464961499;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475480 << as is usually the case, mircea_popescu is the grim plague doctor, complete with beak, telling us exactly when death will come - and pretty much always on target.
1475524;1464961499;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 12:09 mircea_popescu: (weirdly enough, how is it that the "bounty" experience has failed to inform your opinoin of bounties, much like the "new pogo" has failed to inform your opinion of "oh noes end of pogos" ?)
1475525;1464961561;asciilifeform;bounties dun work...
1475526;1464961592;mircea_popescu;they do, but not for this purpose.
1475527;1464961657;mircea_popescu;bounties work to get the juvenile sister of consummate junkie delivered on the cheap. hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470766
1475528;1464961657;a111;Logged on 2016-05-23 15:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china.
1475529;1464961669;mircea_popescu;that selfsame bounty does not work to somehow magically turn junkie into person.
1475530;1464962079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.adafruit.com/products/561 << incidentally it turns out laser cut acrylic is/would have been just as cool as we thought.
1475531;1464962087;deedbot;[Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) May 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-may-2016-statement/
1475532;1464962567;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475509 << what's so great there? the brain-rotting 'arduino' sets that make it possible to 'build robot' in php and without knowing what electric circuit is or ever learning to wire light bulb?
1475533;1464962567;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: it has never been this great to be a teenager, i swear.
1475534;1464962635;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475513 << these were at least not wholly devoid of actual physics.
1475535;1464962635;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 13:16 shinohai: Forrest Mims books, etc
1475536;1464962642;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was looking at the sensors
1475537;1464962656;mircea_popescu;they got great sensors, what. not the sort of item that can be usefully made in kitchen.
1475538;1464962666;asciilifeform;(phun phakt: mims was apparently an infamous 'creationist' advocate)
1475539;1464962699;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cheap solid state gyros were prolly the 1 serious advance of the 2000s
1475540;1464962718;asciilifeform;hence the proliferation of flying toys
1475541;1464962756;mircea_popescu;yeah, and no small matter, esp for the age.
1475542;1464962974;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475482 << '90s were the era of mindless 'cipherpunk', pgp was 'the mirror' rather than 'the broom', mountains of pubkeys from that era
1475543;1464962974;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 12:12 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475422 << that the herd is instinctively repelled by pgp, much like soap, so it's perfectly possible NOBODY uses some arbitrary windows offering. much like in the "creative writer and activist"'s house, the broom's not nearly as worn down as the mirror.
1475544;1464962984;mircea_popescu;aha.
1475545;1464963025;asciilifeform;ergo i expect that trivial keyz were not simply a matter of 'proggy P'.
1475546;1464963043;asciilifeform;but 'P + diddler D'.
1475547;1464963077;mircea_popescu;why not ? what you say and what i say aren't in any sense exclusive. yes it was the time of a horde of imbeciles "saving hte world". the behaviour of such horde is exactly as per the soap example. an item will not be used because it exists and is useful ; consequently existence and functionality aren't predictive.
1475548;1464963082;asciilifeform;something, i expect, quite simple, just put in a JMP over the primality check .
1475549;1464963091;mircea_popescu;certainly a possibility.
1475550;1464963143;asciilifeform;it was 'perfect crime', quite deniable (these folks are obsessed with 'non-attributability')
1475551;1464963217;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'unwashed herd avoids pgp like soap' is hard to square with 'the vast majority of pgp pubkeys date to that period'... no?
1475552;1464963256;mircea_popescu;nope. not anymore than "unwashed herd avoids music like soap" is hard to square with "vast majority of mp4 kilobytes date from period"
1475553;1464963305;*;asciilifeform stumped 
1475554;1464963306;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475538   <<< thankfully, books never had prayers to Jeebus thanking him for silicon before project assembly.
1475555;1464963307;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 14:04 asciilifeform: (phun phakt: mims was apparently an infamous 'creationist' advocate)
1475556;1464963336;asciilifeform;shinohai: well-compartmentalized fella
1475557;1464963419;shinohai;As it should be.
1475558;1464963454;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475471 << ben_vulpes where did i ever say that you ought not to buy it..?
1475559;1464963454;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 05:33 ben_vulpes: i am likely going to buy a license because what, i pay half that per year per staff member just to derp on ios shits with some modicum less of friction
1475560;1464963471;asciilifeform;if it worx it may be just what doctor ordered for ben_vulpes
1475561;1464963476;asciilifeform;and his salt mine
1475562;1464963510;asciilifeform;alternatively ben_vulpes could simply build, e.g., ecl, for ios
1475563;1464963513;mircea_popescu;for the record, as ridiculous as the whole "earth was created ~30k years ago by a trickster that salted it with fossils to fuck with you" is ; it is no more or less ridiculous (seeing how absolutes aren't comparable) than all sorts of commonly accepted idiocies. such as the notion that man "always" had some sort of "equality" notion, along with a whole host of imbecile anachronisms the general herd entertains ; or that humani
1475564;1464963513;mircea_popescu;ty evolved 50k years ago ; or that "temperatures have been raising", or or or.
1475565;1464963527;mircea_popescu;tons of inept shit people believe, chiefly because of the convenient insulation time provides.
1475566;1464963543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled religious batshit
1475567;1464963562;mircea_popescu;it doesn't become religious until someone extracts some spurious "should" and starts throwing it at others.
1475568;1464963562;asciilifeform;folks only make up new flavours.
1475569;1464963779;asciilifeform;re earlier, 721678451 has factor 13.
1475570;1464963792;asciilifeform;fella is one of them random int as modulus folk.
1475571;1464963841;mircea_popescu;i wonder why these are so rarely even.
1475572;1464963868;asciilifeform;not 1 iirc
1475573;1464963880;mircea_popescu;shouldn't about 3/4 be ?
1475574;1464963881;asciilifeform;because even can be seen by naked eye
1475575;1464963898;mircea_popescu;so he rolls 2 ints, randomly. that neither come out even is 1/4
1475576;1464963914;asciilifeform;aha.
1475577;1464963937;asciilifeform;thing is, key generator sets last bit.
1475578;1464963941;mircea_popescu;what naked eye ? i paste you a pubkey and you tell me if it's even by looking at the armor ?
1475579;1464963954;mircea_popescu;a something like that ? what about 3 then.
1475580;1464963955;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pgpdump -i
1475581;1464963968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your ideas of "naked eye" ever wonder me.
1475582;1464963987;mircea_popescu;anyway, by the same logic, about half should be divisible by 3. scarcely any are.
1475583;1464963989;asciilifeform;naked eye =~ hex editor
1475584;1464963994;mircea_popescu;mno.
1475585;1464964004;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had a few 3
1475586;1464964006;mircea_popescu;naked eye SPECIFICALLY means, NOT hex editor.
1475587;1464964012;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but not nearly enough
1475588;1464964024;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it means what, ethernet cable on tongue ?
1475589;1464964032;mircea_popescu;it meas that, naked eye.
1475590;1464964033;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> for the record, as ridiculous as the whole "earth was created ~30k years ago << more like ~6.1k years ago
1475591;1464964041;mircea_popescu;like for instance, nipples are visible to the naked eye.
1475592;1464964059;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron why .1 ?
1475593;1464964088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if it came in over the wire, it isn't visible in the nipple sense, period. yer stuck with toolz
1475594;1464964117;mircea_popescu;the logical construction of "naked eye" in this context is, visible in the armored pubkey as user is expected to manipulate. whadda ya want now.
1475595;1464964128;danielpbarron;that's about how long it's been if you add up the years between all the guys listed in the geneology in The Bible, and then add how long it's been ~since Christ
1475596;1464964191;asciilifeform;everybody seems to use the same english bishop's figure
1475597;1464964192;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron why even bother, rather than declare a number, and preferably a platonic number or something, and then forever stick to that. "it's been 3600 years ago".
1475598;1464964209;mircea_popescu;100 years from now, still 3600 years ago. same explanations can be produced.
1475599;1464964271;danielpbarron;that wouldn't be true; that's why bother
1475600;1464964279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reminds me, one of the core idiocies of the pgp armour format is that it conceals screaming braindamage just fine
1475601;1464964288;asciilifeform;whereas ordinary hex would not.
1475602;1464964298;mircea_popescu;whether anything is true or not is a complex matter ; but it could be arguabe ~to the same standard~.
1475603;1464964311;mircea_popescu;ie, that it may seem like stuff is around proving otherwise, but it was planted.
1475604;1464964318;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform word.
1475605;1464964400;danielpbarron;even the star-light is 'planted' in that those stars couldn't possibly have been burning for billions of years
1475606;1464964455;mircea_popescu;well, so then. 3600 years ago.
1475607;1464964837;shinohai;My mind is boggled that danielpbarron could actually believe earth is only 6.1k years old.
1475608;1464964872;asciilifeform;shinohai: a good chunk of usa does
1475609;1464964895;asciilifeform;though most forget to add the delta
1475610;1464964899;shinohai;I know *that* asciilifeform ... I live in so-called Bible Belt
1475611;1464964912;shinohai;Where the word of Ken Hamm reigns over Bill Nye
1475612;1464964915;asciilifeform;and end up with something like mircea_popescu's suggested system with constant
1475613;1464964929;asciilifeform;who the everliving fuck is nye
1475614;1464964985;mod6;bill nye, the science guy
1475615;1464965005;asciilifeform;mmok
1475616;1464965013;*;mod6 laughs
1475617;1464965073;shinohai;That debate was one of the lulzier things I have ever watched.
1475618;1464965117;mircea_popescu;ftr, the "official" notion as to the age of the universe is not ~fundamentally~ better than the "3600 years ago, fixed value".
1475619;1464965124;mircea_popescu;they're both the result of application of faith.
1475620;1464965436;mod6;faith that instruments and math/physics are correct?
1475621;1464965470;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the specific number - yes.
1475622;1464965475;mircea_popescu;well, no, bit what instruments specifically ? what math ?
1475623;1464965488;mircea_popescu;it's all a matter of "hey, check out how well these variables fit". "mmmkay ?"
1475624;1464965508;mircea_popescu;that happens to be exactly the same argument supporting the 3600 year world ; except with different equations.
1475625;1464965510;asciilifeform;whereas lower bound, such as 'this star if is far off, i can di parallax arithmetic, yes, and measured speed of light personally' - no.
1475626;1464965600;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's say that the resulting "age of universe" constant is more a function of what subset of experimental data you look at ; than anything else.
1475627;1464965641;asciilifeform;only really makes sense to treat it as lower bound
1475628;1464965643;mircea_popescu;for that matter we know for a fact that speed of light isn't a constant at large timescales.
1475629;1464965662;mircea_popescu;there are all sorts of problems once you get out of the 3600 year bubble, so to speak.
1475630;1464965667;asciilifeform;or that we aren't the ants in 'sim ant' whatever
1475631;1464965697;mircea_popescu;hence a certain quaint oldstyle philosopher merit in the stance. "fuck you, you don't know anything" said diogenes in his 3600 yo tub.
1475632;1464965790;asciilifeform;the basic problem of 'let's calculate age of universe' is that you end with an untestable result.
1475633;1464965799;mircea_popescu;even the sentence as stated, "oh, universe begun x bn years ago". "really, it was years ? what spun around what sun, that top of a mother of yours ?"
1475634;1464965802;asciilifeform;it is a dead end in that sense
1475635;1464965894;mircea_popescu;"a proper prince's penis should be as long as my thumb" said the 12 yo princess in her diary.
1475636;1464965902;mircea_popescu;cuz she'd know. allll about princes and penii.
1475637;1464965919;asciilifeform;good heuristic is not to bother calculating anything you can't ~do~ anything with.
1475638;1464965979;mircea_popescu;and yes, "lower bound", you know ? like this : "if the universe ends up being less old than X, we'll have to re-do all these calculations, somehow. i have no idea how the fuck, so let's hope it doesn't happen - and also thar mars rises on time. fucking precession.
1475639;1464966033;mircea_popescu;what happened when the planet didn't appear on time ? they took the whole plumbing of math and physics and instruments apart.
1475640;1464966050;asciilifeform;aha.
1475641;1464966067;mircea_popescu;that event had repeated itself > 100 times by now, or at least had, in the 90s when i stopped tracking.
1475642;1464966076;mircea_popescu;physics the ended science.
1475643;1464966095;asciilifeform;physics was ~over in '45.
1475644;1464966114;mircea_popescu;sure, and in 1895
1475645;1464966123;asciilifeform;nah that's idiocy.
1475646;1464966177;mircea_popescu;i guess you stopped tracking earlier than me.
1475647;1464966225;asciilifeform;modern day unphysics is made of a thousand little adelberger scum.
1475648;1464966238;asciilifeform;$s adelberger
1475649;1464966239;a111;15 results for "adelberger", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=adelberger
1475650;1464966270;mircea_popescu;sure, plenty of that. but no, for the same money you could say 1915 physics is made of perpetuum mobile quacks.
1475651;1464966287;asciilifeform;kill'em all and physics ~might~ have another season in it. like neglected houseplant
1475652;1464966295;asciilifeform;crawling with parasites
1475653;1464966310;mircea_popescu;it's moved into a big data phase
1475654;1464966339;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, the deep reason "government" as in, the united retards, are so fixated on big data is simply because that's what physics has been doing since ~80s
1475655;1464966340;asciilifeform;aka 'stamp collecting' in feynman's words.
1475656;1464966346;mircea_popescu;it's not exactly improductive)
1475657;1464966353;mod6;haha. 'united retards'
1475658;1464966366;mircea_popescu;looky alf : it's fucking broken. we know it's broken. there's no fixing this. gotta collect stamps because gotta start somewhere.
1475659;1464966373;mod6;that's totally its new name
1475660;1464966374;asciilifeform;it produces nothing but sales for hdd makers.
1475661;1464966375;mircea_popescu;lotta classification work in nature before anatomy became a thing
1475662;1464966384;mircea_popescu;eh.
1475663;1464966419;asciilifeform;stamp collecting with 0 idea wtf yer doing and why instantly devolves to demonology.
1475664;1464966432;mircea_popescu;there. is. no. alternative!
1475665;1464966433;asciilifeform;and yields 'golf clubs' and 'hockey sticks'.
1475666;1464966449;mircea_popescu;there's no way out of it. "physics" is not a thing. the paradigm is too broken to rescue.
1475667;1464966469;asciilifeform;the alternative is that it is 1920s germany and men are men.
1475668;1464966482;mircea_popescu;eh get out, and solid state gyros are a thing of the devil ?
1475669;1464966486;mircea_popescu;you can't recan ants.
1475670;1464966512;asciilifeform;solid state gyros were implicit in lilienfeld's (yes, 20s!) transistor.
1475671;1464966530;mircea_popescu;le sigh.
1475672;1464966555;asciilifeform;that it took 80y to get them out is testament to the disease of the century.
1475673;1464966612;mircea_popescu;point remains, the way ahead is probably going to be automated maths (as we discussed re v a year ago) applied to immense reams of data. just like in genetics, and so following.
1475674;1464966627;mircea_popescu;science as "fits in head" is not exactly practicable anymore.
1475675;1464966663;asciilifeform;that's a surrender, may as well go back to trees.
1475676;1464966678;asciilifeform;the only actual knowledge is what fits in heads.
1475677;1464966697;asciilifeform;even if only 1 head, anywhere.
1475678;1464966706;mircea_popescu;yeah well, good luck with that. nosce te ipsum's a bridge too far
1475679;1464966709;mircea_popescu;you don't fit in your own head.
1475680;1464966739;asciilifeform;automated proofs are usg crapolade, i speak as a reformed and repented purveyor
1475681;1464966756;mircea_popescu;i wasn't discussing that.
1475682;1464966761;mircea_popescu;need i dig up the link ?
1475683;1464966828;asciilifeform;'science by machine' is merely nsa datacentre by other name.
1475684;1464966849;asciilifeform;'we forgot how to synthesize so let's collect shiny shings, like a crow'
1475685;1464966857;mircea_popescu;says the man who believes pgpdump -i to be "naked eye"
1475686;1464966874;asciilifeform;but it is! shows me the bits that are there.
1475687;1464966885;mircea_popescu;IT shows you the bits that are there.
1475688;1464966894;mircea_popescu;you're the cunt in this relationship. the penis, is ITS.
1475689;1464966922;asciilifeform;i could connect cable to tape and view tape with iron filings, and in fact have, and get same effect.
1475690;1464966930;mircea_popescu;naked eye means no one's showing you anything, you're seeing. opposite situation.
1475691;1464966950;mircea_popescu;and in physics, you could spend 10bn years with a spaceship and a huge fly net, get same effect.
1475692;1464967015;asciilifeform;difference is that one you can actually do. in 10,001 entirely different but isomorphic ways.
1475693;1464967038;*;asciilifeform straps on fresh gas mask 
1475694;1464967040;mircea_popescu;that's exactly what i was talking about ; no idea why you colored it in idiocy-du-jour nsa crapolade./
1475695;1464967058;asciilifeform;because 'big data'.
1475696;1464967511;mircea_popescu;myeah, risque i guess.
1475697;1464967521;mircea_popescu;what'd you have me call it ? take the cern cyclotron as the flagship example.
1475698;1464967535;asciilifeform;it is flagship example of physics's rotting corpse.
1475699;1464967546;asciilifeform;massive employment program for adelbergers and their catamites.
1475700;1464967564;mircea_popescu;right, in the sense that it went as far as tesla-style can go
1475701;1464967567;mircea_popescu;and it's broken there.
1475702;1464967595;asciilifeform;'tesla-style' works with lone crackpot and limited resources. because he has the incentive to ~synthesize~
1475703;1464967620;asciilifeform;when you pile up usgola, you get megalomaniacal constructions with 0 insight. precisely the calutron from the previous thread.
1475704;1464967639;mircea_popescu;the item in question is neither.
1475705;1464967663;mircea_popescu;what exactly "megalomaniacal" ? i dun get it. it's a tool.
1475706;1464967679;asciilifeform;the item in question is 'benevolent inca empire wants to give $billion to physics' but you can't give 'to physics' because that's somewhere between 0 to 3 guys and nobody's gonna give some unwashed weirdos a $b
1475707;1464967689;asciilifeform;so they give it to 'physicists' which is 10,001 bob becks.
1475708;1464967689;asciilifeform;and their students.
1475709;1464967693;mircea_popescu;is icbm fuel tank "megalomaniacal" because of parochial view that ride-on lawnmower tank "should be enough for everyone" ?
1475710;1464967698;asciilifeform;and they build massive pyramid and 'physics is happy'
1475711;1464967711;asciilifeform;icmb was not research tool, it solved specific problem.
1475712;1464967721;mircea_popescu;well, it could be such a thing, in fiction.
1475713;1464967728;asciilifeform;and in fact korolev suffered when yangel offered to solve SAME problem 100x cheaper with solid fuels.
1475714;1464967735;asciilifeform;(which has 0 space exploration potential)
1475715;1464967752;asciilifeform;all modern icbm are of this type.
1475716;1464967756;mircea_popescu;i don't follow the logic here.
1475717;1464967823;asciilifeform;logic being that icbm was not a pure 'let's build pyramid to show how massive the imperial cock' exercise. it had measurable goals, like building bridge.
1475718;1464967846;mircea_popescu;but you seem to have attached in a random spot to my comparison, that wasn't in any sense contemplated in the original discussion.
1475719;1464967854;mircea_popescu;what is this, ricochet thinking with very angry people ?
1475720;1464967859;asciilifeform;my contention is that cern is not doing physics.
1475721;1464967861;asciilifeform;but something else.
1475722;1464967874;mircea_popescu;and you base this on anything other than "it's large and i don't exactly understand how it functions" ?
1475723;1464967875;asciilifeform;and physics is what, e.g., schrodinger, did.
1475724;1464967886;asciilifeform;actually i understand pretty well how the thing works.
1475725;1464967887;mircea_popescu;because neither of these are, substantially, bars to its being physics.
1475726;1464967894;mircea_popescu;ok so then what is the objection ?!
1475727;1464967900;asciilifeform;that there is no synthesis.
1475728;1464967909;mircea_popescu;it's a detector! it's jobn is to detect!
1475729;1464967915;mircea_popescu;wtf synthesis ?
1475730;1464967922;asciilifeform;and that 'strings' are bunkum, and until the last 'strings' proponent is purged, there is no physics.
1475731;1464967929;asciilifeform;they EXPLICITLY rejected testability as a value.
1475732;1464967941;mircea_popescu;it's not related with "strings" other than, finally universally accepted proof they're nonsense.
1475733;1464967945;mircea_popescu;uh...
1475734;1464967985;asciilifeform;where are the massive piles of burning paper, topped off by 10,001 hog-tied lifelong string practitioners ?
1475735;1464968000;mircea_popescu;again, it's a detector, not a guillotine.
1475736;1464968014;asciilifeform;my objection is not even to expensive detectors.
1475737;1464968018;asciilifeform;but that it is ~all~ we have.
1475738;1464968049;asciilifeform;and likewise that schrodinger et all were able to get pretty far without costly detectors, and i do not regard it as 'they had low-hanging fruit'
1475739;1464968101;asciilifeform;the other thing is that the presence of the costly detector may very well subtract more from the field, in its adelberger gatekeeper creation, than it ever could add.
1475740;1464968107;asciilifeform;consider how the eotvos thing went.
1475741;1464968142;asciilifeform;is the presence of the 2 eotvos balances a net positive? or would we actually have a handle on schwartz's result if everyone was STUCK with my $50k version of the experiment (calorimeter.)
1475742;1464968151;mircea_popescu;well, the reason that is all we have is that previous physics died in a pool of its own vomit ; and that current math is not up to the task of supporting a repair.
1475743;1464968155;mircea_popescu;it'd be a major overhaul.
1475744;1464968164;asciilifeform;this is PRECISELY mircea_popescu's argument in favour of 'symbolics died and it was good, we dodged a bullet'
1475745;1464968167;mircea_popescu;and that math is insufficient is already seen in, say, protein study.
1475746;1464968183;asciilifeform;'having 3 computers is worse than none'
1475747;1464968188;asciilifeform;because creates priests.
1475748;1464968203;mircea_popescu;so let it create priests.
1475749;1464968220;mircea_popescu;the notion that the computer "creates" priests is not unlike the 3yo's notion that THE CHAIR ~made it~ stumble.
1475750;1464968230;mircea_popescu;idiots will idiot, it's what they do.
1475751;1464968243;asciilifeform;adelberger would be ~nothing~ without his $B toy.
1475752;1464968252;mircea_popescu;he's nothing with or without, what.
1475753;1464968258;asciilifeform;would have 0 power to prevent schwartz.
1475754;1464968260;mircea_popescu;"his", spare me.
1475755;1464968271;asciilifeform;'his' in the same sense a usg carrier is the captain's.
1475756;1464968283;mircea_popescu;well, principally schwartz has power to prevent schwartz. usually through variations of imgur thing.
1475757;1464968307;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu earlier conceded that the 50k calorimeter would not constitute proof... iirc
1475758;1464968315;mircea_popescu;to whom ? to them, no.
1475759;1464968322;asciilifeform;that 'adelberger's torsion balance or it didn't happen'
1475760;1464968327;mircea_popescu;gotta know when you have the ~obligation~ to join the terrorists.
1475761;1464968337;asciilifeform;sorta what i said to schwartz !
1475762;1464968342;mircea_popescu;people like to delude themselves about all sorts of optionalities that they neither have nor could exist.
1475763;1464968346;asciilifeform;he had a very particular problem
1475764;1464968362;asciilifeform;it was that his relationship with physics crackpots for last 30 yrs is ~same as mircea_popescu's  - with bitcoin scammers
1475765;1464968377;asciilifeform;he spent multiple hours, every day, unpaid, spraying pesticide in sci.physics etc
1475766;1464968382;mircea_popescu;that's not much of a problem is it ?
1475767;1464968392;asciilifeform;putting 10,001 kinds of pretentious idiots in their place
1475768;1464968397;asciilifeform;well it was a problem in the sense that
1475769;1464968406;asciilifeform;he did not see anywhere to go other than ~to them~
1475770;1464968420;mircea_popescu;this is a problem.
1475771;1464968424;mircea_popescu;of schwartz's.
1475772;1464968424;asciilifeform;because that is ~where you go~ when you're drummed out of mainstream physics.
1475773;1464968431;asciilifeform;there is not yet a 3rd planet.
1475774;1464968440;mircea_popescu;i dun follow the logic. what ?
1475775;1464968443;asciilifeform;a 'mircea_popescu institute of physics' or whatnot.
1475776;1464968454;mircea_popescu;dude what insistute wtf.
1475777;1464968464;asciilifeform;the logic is that the result of 50k eotvos goes straight to /dev/null.
1475778;1464968479;asciilifeform;no one will read, use, extend, whatever.
1475779;1464968483;mircea_popescu;"how can i be an independent married woman" "you can't be" "but i want to live like i please and make my own decisions and also have fambly and stuff" "shut the fuck up, you're too stupid to breathe"
1475780;1464968499;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1475781;1464968507;asciilifeform;the only folks who will read are the idiot grade-school educated 'physicists' who contemplate 'chemtrails'.
1475782;1464968528;asciilifeform;understand, the circle of folks with actual education is ~small~
1475783;1464968532;mircea_popescu;looky, if you want to do things FOR SUCH REASONS, you have absolutely no business deluding yourself with notions of "science" or whatever.
1475784;1464968541;mircea_popescu;you're just another retarded teenage whore with a narcissism complex.
1475785;1464968550;mircea_popescu;go camming or whatevert it is, people will look at you.
1475786;1464968576;asciilifeform;well he did end up writing 'into the void'
1475787;1464968578;mircea_popescu;what the fuck difference could it possibly make WHO READS IT!
1475788;1464968581;asciilifeform;there it sits.
1475789;1464968594;mircea_popescu;so then what's the problem.
1475790;1464968603;asciilifeform;same place majorana's unified theory sits.
1475791;1464968605;asciilifeform;bottom of the sea.
1475792;1464968655;asciilifeform;problem is that it is dead !
1475793;1464968661;asciilifeform;kinda the definition of dead
1475794;1464968664;mircea_popescu;and the idea is that if pbs made a weekend special about it, what, majorana'd feel better ?
1475795;1464968666;asciilifeform;it dun go around or do nuffin'
1475796;1464968682;asciilifeform;nah but if folks with actual brainz got a hold of it - then ~possibly~ something.
1475797;1464968689;asciilifeform;fuck pbs.
1475798;1464968708;mircea_popescu;what's the author care ?
1475799;1464968736;mircea_popescu;you suppose if a coupla choice quotes get your penis wet, shakespeare goers "oh look, some fuckwad got laid, my life's not been in vain" ?
1475800;1464968745;asciilifeform;again no.
1475801;1464968764;asciilifeform;i dun think in the language of demoocracy, and NEVER did, and these pieces are neither here nor there.
1475802;1464968773;mircea_popescu;being a scientist is not, nor can be, ~ a profession~. you understand ?
1475803;1464968778;asciilifeform;all i care is to get the schwartzes together so they can burn the world.
1475804;1464968788;mircea_popescu;it can be what you do, if you choose to do it. it can be what you "are", if you care to think in those terms.
1475805;1464968819;mircea_popescu;but, like music, or love or whatever the fuck, it's a complete package, with motivation falling within it not without it.
1475806;1464968824;asciilifeform;but no, it is not profession, nobody has ever been paid ~to do it~, any more than invention is profession.
1475807;1464968844;mircea_popescu;well, the problem with getting the schwartzes together is that they're traditionally VERY indisciplined.
1475808;1464968853;asciilifeform;this is problem.
1475809;1464968856;mircea_popescu;it's a wonderful thing, i don't rightly understand it either, but they're terrible at it.
1475810;1464968880;mircea_popescu;obviously, a certain lassitude of thought is required to think properly. but nowhere is it said that if you shit in toilet, you must also bathe in toilet, eat from toilet...
1475811;1464968891;asciilifeform;'take the rifle fishing' aha.
1475812;1464968903;asciilifeform;i always liked this example
1475813;1464968907;asciilifeform;from mircea_popescu's article
1475814;1464968914;asciilifeform;because think, how heavy a fishing pole !
1475815;1464968914;mircea_popescu;im sorry now i didn't take the pic of this movie ad
1475816;1464968934;mircea_popescu;there's this lively "industria argentina" making shitty movies, and you know, it's so obviously retard kid copying it hurts
1475817;1464968946;mircea_popescu;thgere was an action movie with an old fuck holding a rifle exactly like a fishing rod
1475818;1464968979;asciilifeform;prolly theatrical rifle made of plastic.
1475819;1464968999;mircea_popescu;aha/
1475820;1464969050;shinohai;Possibly like this girl helping asciilifeform solder? http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/solderingiron.jpg
1475821;1464969065;asciilifeform;holyshit waut
1475822;1464969074;asciilifeform;sizzzzzzzl
1475823;1464969090;asciilifeform;where did this gem come from shinohai ??
1475824;1464969122;shinohai;I forgot, I have had it in my ridiculous stock photo collection for some time.
1475825;1464969125;mircea_popescu;http://losandespass.com.ar/files/image/16/04/thumbs/image5702793fa96f03.30026266.JPG < there we go
1475826;1464969138;asciilifeform;it is a great multilayered gag - what is even there to solder on component-side of pc mobo.
1475827;1464969146;asciilifeform;even supposing the iron were...
1475828;1464969167;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l!!
1475829;1464969171;shinohai;Got to put solder on top of the capacitors to ensure they stay put
1475830;1464969184;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some reason i am reminded of 'gangsta pistol grip'
1475831;1464969193;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i witnessed folk actually trying it at the range !
1475832;1464969196;mircea_popescu;this is the place i live in.
1475833;1464969208;mircea_popescu;sublty idiotic.
1475834;1464969229;asciilifeform;hey it beats the screamingly-idiotic
1475835;1464969244;mircea_popescu;no. thats the crazy thing. you think, at first, that it does.
1475836;1464969246;mircea_popescu;but it doesn't.
1475837;1464969303;asciilifeform;i could even see an argument that 'screaming - you build a force field wall against, subtle - worms its way in' but mircea_popescu isn't sitting there with cheap beer watching industria argentina filmz, is he now.
1475838;1464969308;asciilifeform;so doesn't worm in.
1475839;1464969336;mircea_popescu;let's for the sake of argument examine this.
1475840;1464969357;mircea_popescu;so, you're a young and enthused, reasonably clever, 19yo girl in random shithole country.
1475841;1464969368;mircea_popescu;and you meet this guy, who's pretty fascinating.
1475842;1464969379;mircea_popescu;part and parcel of this being, you discover you're actually kinda dumb...
1475843;1464969385;mircea_popescu;and there's a lot to read up on...
1475844;1464969387;mircea_popescu;quite a lot...
1475845;1464969396;mircea_popescu;hey check that out, you weren't even holding the knife correctly...
1475846;1464969401;mircea_popescu;the sidewalk's broken...
1475847;1464969406;mircea_popescu;and in fact was broken as designed...
1475848;1464969412;mircea_popescu;and even the movie poster is wrong.
1475849;1464969453;mircea_popescu;how do you at this point distinguish this encounter from you know, joining a cult ?
1475850;1464969471;mircea_popescu;so yes of fucking course it creeps in, i can't be arsed to police the entire edge of the fucking world.
1475851;1464969484;asciilifeform;i never subscribed to 'cults' as being intrinsically wrong. they are only wrong when their gods don't actually exist.
1475852;1464969495;mircea_popescu;but no gods exist.
1475853;1464969512;asciilifeform;so dun gods, problem solved.
1475854;1464969520;asciilifeform;cult on something solid.
1475855;1464969526;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1475856;1464969536;mircea_popescu;but please, by all means, close eyes!
1475857;1464969546;asciilifeform;no reason why not with open eyes
1475858;1464969578;mircea_popescu;your notion that "gods" could be just a label, and then you promote "science" to "god-dom" and everythig will be ok because "it's not really a god" is outright endearing.
1475859;1464969582;mircea_popescu;what the everliving shit.
1475860;1464969600;asciilifeform;in what sense is, say, mircea_popescu's terrarium, where six gurls spin on cock like a peculiarly inverted set of propellers of 6-engined junkers, not a 'cult of solid'.
1475861;1464969637;mircea_popescu;teh remainder is irrational.
1475862;1464969751;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you may have mistook the address, the 'let's pray to goddess of reason' folk are in the kako house
1475863;1464969848;asciilifeform;i see cult as less of a religious mechanism and more of effective form of military organization. historically - misused.
1475864;1464969886;mircea_popescu;fine, but this practical approach does not resolve the discussed 19yo's problem any ;  it's not practical to enforce separation between idiocy and sense on all the edges, nor will it ever be.
1475865;1464969898;asciilifeform;tru!
1475866;1464969899;mircea_popescu;nor has it ever been, actually. so as a practical matter, you're guaranteed some contamination.
1475867;1464969924;asciilifeform;nor is 19 y.o. ru boi going to personally cut apart 'paint the snow piles white and grass green' from 'effective army'
1475868;1464969932;asciilifeform;nor is effective army a thing if he gets to cut.
1475869;1464969998;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449770 << related.
1475870;1464969998;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 15:54 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes, it goes back to the 'blind loyalty' thread
1475871;1464970010;asciilifeform;or, rather, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-10#1449773
1475872;1464970010;a111;Logged on 2016-04-10 15:55 asciilifeform: thinking folks have chronic problems with forming spartan 'testudo'
1475873;1464970018;*;asciilifeform brb, food
1475874;1464972082;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475866 << installing a wholly new mental operating system ~cannot~ be a 'rational' decision, nor is it really a decision as such, more of a 'cock action' that is done ~to~ somebody.
1475875;1464972082;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 16:04 mircea_popescu: nor has it ever been, actually. so as a practical matter, you're guaranteed some contamination.
1475876;1464972095;asciilifeform;gotta end up in right place, right time, be reasonably young, etc.
1475877;1464972147;asciilifeform;i've never actually met an adult who had the experience and wasn't a traumatic wreck.
1475878;1464972164;asciilifeform;(they might, somewhere, exist.)
1475879;1464972475;asciilifeform;relatedly, https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/02/16/explain-this
1475880;1464972498;asciilifeform;'Mao gave the mangoes to Wang Dongxing, who divided them up, distributing one mango each to a number of leading factories in Beijing, including Beijing Textile Factory, where I was then living. The workers at the factory held a huge ceremony, rich in the recitation of Mao’s words, to welcome the arrival of the mango, then sealed the fruit in wax, hoping to preserve it for posterity. The mangoes became sacred relics, objects of vene
1475881;1464972498;asciilifeform;ration. The wax-covered fruit was placed on an altar in the factory auditorium, and workers lined up to file past it, solemnly bowing as they walked by. No one had thought to sterilize the mango before sealing it, however, and after a few days on display, it began to show signs of rot. The revolutionary committee of the factory retrieved the rotting mango, peeled it, then boiled the flesh in a huge pot of water. Mao again was greatly
1475882;1464972498;asciilifeform; venerated, and the gift of the mango was lauded as evidence of the Chairman’s deep concern for the workers. Then everyone in the factory filed by and each worker drank a spoonful of the water in which the sacred mango had been boiled. After that, the revolutionary committee ordered a wax model of the original mango. The replica was duly made and placed on the altar to replace the real fruit, and workers continued to file by, their
1475883;1464972503;asciilifeform; veneration for the sacred object in no apparent way diminished.'
1475884;1464972721;asciilifeform;from same site, mircea_popescu might enjoy https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2016/05/21/the-bow-of-the-king-of-chu
1475885;1464973385;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo will find one of the lulz interesting -- https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/men-doing-their-own-thing
1475886;1464973541;asciilifeform;or, for ol' kako,
1475887;1464973549;asciilifeform;'More likely than not, some members of the ruling coalition are not very loyal. They’d rather defect. But they can’t backstab the coalition just like that. You don’t do that; it looks bad. Your comrades will go against you. There are costs to defection. Unless you’re not the only defector. You need a way to signal your intention to defect, so that other disloyal fucks such as yourself (and they’re bound to be others) can jo
1475888;1464973549;asciilifeform;in up, thus reducing the likely costs of defection. The way to signal your intention to defect is to come up with a good excuse. A good excuse to be disloyal becomes a rallying point through which other defectors can coordinate and cover their asses so that the ruling coalition doesn’t punish them. What is a good excuse?'
1475889;1464973556;asciilifeform;( https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/leftism-is-just-an-easy-excuse )
1475890;1464973561;asciilifeform;plenty of lulz for everybody.
1475891;1464974209;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 819733497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'David Eisenblaetter <d.eisenblaetter@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1DD107254DCFC376B8BE46E0E2262793C90EC35088C87891063AE5C96240E77E
1475892;1464974315;asciilifeform;^ mircea_popescu there's one of yer divisible-by-3's.
1475893;1464974338;asciilifeform;rejoice!111
1475894;1464974365;mircea_popescu;lol k
1475895;1464974501;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in other news, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/352e1f4a-8ffe-49ee-af45-d4f3cf1d24f6/
1475896;1464974529;asciilifeform;exp 65537 and no mirroring.
1475897;1464974535;asciilifeform;i suspect we're gonna see more of these.
1475898;1464974592;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l
1475899;1464974608;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise.
1475900;1464974821;asciilifeform;interestingly, not 1 of the last 3 phuctor pops, imports in any version of gpg i have.
1475901;1464975317;mircea_popescu;dude chinese people from the mao ebullitious era all share this rodent appearance. like walking voles or something, all round and teethy.
1475902;1464975338;asciilifeform;rice kingdom ftw.
1475903;1464975354;mircea_popescu; https://i2.wp.com/chineseposters.net/images/e12-631-detail.jpg << fine example.
1475904;1464975374;mircea_popescu;somehow i doubt the real life models were nearly as... bubbly.
1475905;1464975388;asciilifeform;eh this is moar of su 'sov realism' than life.
1475906;1464975401;mircea_popescu;yea
1475907;1464975842;trinque;psa that joe's datacenter will happily stand up an openbsd box on the cheap
1475908;1464975885;trinque;monday night I'm gonna migrate deedbot off my trb node box; will be much more responsive
1475909;1464975910;asciilifeform;trinque: neato
1475910;1464975930;asciilifeform;have some lulz, http://keys.niif.hu/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x0B7F8B60E3EDFAE3
1475911;1464975934;asciilifeform;(scroll down)
1475912;1464975957;trinque;bwahahaha that's great
1475913;1464976162;asciilifeform;http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2015-05/msg00022.html << hilarious related thread from last year
1475914;1464976198;asciilifeform;'people will upload cp to sks!1111' 'what to DOOOOOO?!!!' 'censor everything!'
1475915;1464976241;asciilifeform;eschewing wot is the exact equivalent of eschewing toilet training.
1475916;1464976247;asciilifeform;shitting where you stand.
1475917;1464976511;mircea_popescu;brilliant solution. now they'll be responsible for curating it.
1475918;1464976551;asciilifeform;aha.
1475919;1464976556;trinque;"Luckily, signature verification crypto doesn't have to worry about side channel attacks. Alternatively, we could add openssl as a dependency and outsource the signature verification to it."
1475920;1464976557;mod6;<+trinque> monday night I'm gonna migrate deedbot off my trb node box; will be much more responsive << cool
1475921;1464976569;asciilifeform;which is GREAT!11111 because now they can drop T3rr0R157!1111 keyz, e.g., mircea_popescu's
1475922;1464976581;mircea_popescu;which really would be to everyone's great benefit.
1475923;1464976598;asciilifeform;sorta why we put salt on the slug, no ?
1475924;1464976609;asciilifeform;it is sizzling nicely.
1475925;1464976618;mircea_popescu;in the end, there's no real solution to naggum's point. herd tither.
1475926;1464976624;asciilifeform;aha.
1475927;1464976627;mircea_popescu;you can't have oil-in-water juice.
1475928;1464976655;mircea_popescu;anyway, props to the blody shovel dude for noticing the obvious
1475929;1464976662;mircea_popescu;(unified china = horrible for chinese culture)
1475930;1464976666;asciilifeform;he's a goldmine of chinese lulz
1475931;1464976670;mircea_popescu;who's he anyway ?
1475932;1464976672;asciilifeform;seems like fella actually reads the language.
1475933;1464976679;asciilifeform;spandrel!
1475934;1464976680;asciilifeform;$s spandrel
1475935;1464976681;a111;8 results for "spandrel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=spandrel
1475936;1464976692;asciilifeform;hm
1475937;1464976699;asciilifeform;pretty sure i met him in meatspace once or twice.
1475938;1464976708;asciilifeform;clever fella.
1475939;1464976709;mircea_popescu;ah really ? i'm not familiar.
1475940;1464976711;mircea_popescu;so invite him over.
1475941;1464976725;asciilifeform;historically my batting avg is 0/N
1475942;1464976736;asciilifeform;i suggest mircea_popescu or hanbot try..
1475943;1464976750;asciilifeform;this is work for masterz.
1475944;1464976777;mircea_popescu;he is clever. to wit : "What kind of intellectual climate existed in that time. What happens when everyone is coming up with new ideas all the time? Think about it in contemporary terms. What happens when everybody and his grandma has his own ideas is… a whole lot of signaling spirals."
1475945;1464976790;mircea_popescu;this is approximately how a working thinker works.
1475946;1464976799;asciilifeform;fella is quite definitely a working mind.
1475947;1464976810;asciilifeform;no obvious cockroaches, even, afaik.
1475948;1464977218;*;asciilifeform brb, installing ruinously spiffy new lcd
1475949;1464977323;mircea_popescu;check this out!
1475950;1464977324;mircea_popescu;"So basically, Confucius today would approve of Angela Merkel and Bryan Caplan. Thanks dude. No wonder he was never taken seriously by any of the dozens of kings of his time, and died a low-class civil servant. His universalism however was catnip for the nascent class of non-aristocratic bureaucrats, who developed it for centuries after his death. They loved this “we are above armies, borders, and that gruesome stuff. We ca
1475951;1464977325;mircea_popescu;re about righteousness and love, about what is right for all humanity”. This in 300 BC. Do you see now why the First Emperor burnt their books and buried the scholars alive after he unified the Empire?"
1475952;1464977332;mircea_popescu;guy even groks the fucking pest confucius was.
1475953;1464977391;mircea_popescu;(and yes the book burning was correct in spirit, if not particularly productive in implementation. the faux "humanism" nonsense is infamant.)
1475954;1464977605;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and check out the comments - he has his very own viragh all spinning.
1475955;1464977619;mircea_popescu;poor spandrell. he's never digging himself out.
1475956;1464978174;mircea_popescu;$up spandrell
1475957;1464978176;deedbot;spandrell voiced for 30 minutes.
1475958;1464978178;mircea_popescu;o hello there.
1475959;1464978180;spandrell;hello
1475960;1464978193;spandrell;the most serene republic
1475961;1464978198;mircea_popescu;indeed.
1475962;1464978214;spandrell;i was just listening to a podcast on venice while driving
1475963;1464978224;mircea_popescu;then it works well, that's the reference.
1475964;1464978224;spandrell;contrasted the utmost serenity of venice with the complete fucked up madness of genoa
1475965;1464978227;spandrell;fun stuff
1475966;1464978246;mircea_popescu;but serenity is here used in the metaphorical, political sense of medieval europe
1475967;1464978263;spandrell;what is this place about? here i was thinking it was a bitcoin forum or something
1475968;1464978263;mircea_popescu;the most serene republic is the most serene because it is the sovereign of all fiat governments, not because it's quiet.
1475969;1464978291;mircea_popescu;well, it's a loose assemblage of terrorists dedicated to destroying the very possibility of what you'd call "a state" and salting the earth where it stood
1475970;1464978298;mircea_popescu;so no such thing can ever again exist.
1475971;1464978327;spandrell;heh
1475972;1464978329;spandrell;i'm running a loose assemblage of my own, fwiw
1475973;1464978341;mircea_popescu;how's it going ?
1475974;1464978345;spandrell;btw as per the log you sent me
1475975;1464978353;spandrell;somebody claimed to have met me in meatspace
1475976;1464978367;mircea_popescu;$s meatspace
1475977;1464978367;a111;176 results for "meatspace", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=meatspace
1475978;1464978381;mircea_popescu;^ it's all integrated, you know. the someone was asciilifeform
1475979;1464978393;spandrell;didn't happen
1475980;1464978412;mircea_popescu;hm. because you never met anyone ? or because you know who he is irl ?
1475981;1464978443;spandrell;i've only met two people ever from this kind of place
1475982;1464978447;spandrell;and i'm pretty sure he's not one of them
1475983;1464978456;spandrell;it's hard to meet people, living in japan and all
1475984;1464978485;mircea_popescu;i thought that's where people go to meet all the hot japanese chicks!
1475985;1464978513;spandrell;well if this asciilifeform is a hot japanese chick then I might have met her
1475986;1464978548;mircea_popescu;anyway, asciilifeform is this fellow by the name Stanislav Datskovskiy.
1475987;1464978562;mircea_popescu;lemme fish his good looking chicklooks hmm where was it
1475988;1464978626;mircea_popescu;spandrell http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/ << there.
1475989;1464978652;spandrell;lol
1475990;1464978659;spandrell;i can confirm then, never met the guy
1475991;1464978681;spandrell;it would be an honor though, do tell me any time you come to the east
1475992;1464978690;mircea_popescu;oh also, reading this article makes me want to round my knowledge of medieval chinese literature (which consists of golden lotus, vase and spring plumlet) with this other thing. know of any decent edition of said "water margin" in any european language i could get online ?
1475993;1464978717;mircea_popescu;i'm genuinely curious whether it'll read offensive or you're just a pansy.
1475994;1464978742;spandrell;?
1475995;1464978756;mircea_popescu;https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/men-doing-their-own-thing/ << the article i'm reading
1475996;1464978761;mircea_popescu;it's about this 1350s novel ?
1475997;1464978767;spandrell;yes, the water margin
1475998;1464978776;spandrell;i think i said it there that i read parts of the original
1475999;1464978781;spandrell;then realized i could just watch the show
1476000;1464978785;mircea_popescu;yes but where'd i read it
1476001;1464978799;spandrell;well that i'm afraid i don't know
1476002;1464978807;mircea_popescu;sucks. alright.
1476003;1464978816;spandrell;maybe there's something on libgen?
1476004;1464978839;mircea_popescu;yeah i'll have it fished out ; just thought maybe you know something. worth asking.
1476005;1464978865;spandrell;sorry, chinese classics are all on wikisource
1476006;1464978872;spandrell;i am very fond of using that
1476007;1464978889;spandrell;i probably should check out some english translations if i want get the book written
1476008;1464978906;mircea_popescu;i sadly don't read chinese
1476009;1464978941;spandrell;there might be a version of the tv show with english subtitles
1476010;1464978949;spandrell;perhaps the old version, there's two
1476011;1464978978;mircea_popescu;why would i want to read a tv show script, good lord. even the people paid to do it don't.
1476012;1464979022;mircea_popescu;incidentally, do you have a pgp key ?
1476013;1464979039;spandrell;nope, i'm a humanities grad
1476014;1464979053;spandrell;total noob
1476015;1464979061;mircea_popescu;ok. do you know what pgp is ?
1476016;1464979068;spandrell;i do
1476017;1464979070;spandrell;not that much of a noob
1476018;1464979077;mircea_popescu;hey, i dunno until i ask :)
1476019;1464979086;spandrell;just a lazy connaiseur of good IT practice
1476020;1464979101;mircea_popescu;so the way this channel works is that you register your pgp signature with the bot ; and then you can maintain an identity. otherwise anyone can "be" spandrell
1476021;1464979125;spandrell;i see
1476022;1464979125;mircea_popescu;the bot allows you to self-voice, if you have the WoT presence, which you likely will because i'd rate you.
1476023;1464979172;mircea_popescu;there's a huge pile of interlocking wonders that make up la serenissima, i'll be more than happy to explain them in detail as time goes by.
1476024;1464979211;spandrell;i used to be a lot in irc
1476025;1464979212;spandrell;when i was 15
1476026;1464979231;spandrell;i actually started to study japanese because i found a bitch on IRC who taught me
1476027;1464979232;mircea_popescu;yeah, prior to bitcoin that was the case with me exactly.
1476028;1464979238;mircea_popescu;aha.
1476029;1464979243;spandrell;now look at me
1476030;1464979247;spandrell;and people say the internet is bad for you
1476031;1464979261;mircea_popescu;well, if it's not bad for you, it's bad for the wife.
1476032;1464979318;mircea_popescu;check it out asciilifeform the 1300s chinese novel even has the "bitcoin corrupts" doctrine. "obviously he was a bro, and all bros of the world should join the rebel army".
1476033;1464979361;mircea_popescu;spandrell for the record, it's not at all an islamic argument. why would anyone but an idiot hang out with the idiots ? who ever goes willingly to an accountant party ? etc.
1476034;1464979362;spandrell;am i only able to read you, mircea_popescu, or are you the only one talking right now?
1476035;1464979375;mircea_popescu;i'm the only one talking right now.
1476036;1464979393;spandrell;oh, the islam thing
1476037;1464979412;spandrell;i wasnt really that serious but i do understand i struck a nerve
1476038;1464979426;mircea_popescu;i'm jus' curious.
1476039;1464979434;spandrell;i obviously understand why nobody with a 90+ IQ would hang out with arabs
1476040;1464979448;mircea_popescu;are they that dumb actually ?
1476041;1464979460;mircea_popescu;i had some pretty clever friends that part of the world.
1476042;1464979475;spandrell;well there's always the right edge of the bell curve
1476043;1464979493;spandrell;i wouldn't know, i generally avoid them when i'm home
1476044;1464979514;mircea_popescu;the debates as to genetic basis for intelligence have raged for a while in the logs. it's not really settled i guess, but there's certainly no merit for NATIONAL concepts of intelligence hm ?
1476045;1464979526;spandrell;they also have this bro culture to them which i dislike too, as i wrote int he water margin post
1476046;1464979551;mircea_popescu;but you never explained any mechanics of the dislike, merely stated it.
1476047;1464979560;spandrell;why i dislike bros?
1476048;1464979569;mircea_popescu;sure.
1476049;1464979574;spandrell;imagine yourself in the position of qin ming
1476050;1464979577;mircea_popescu;ok.
1476051;1464979593;spandrell;or lu junyi, who gets fucked in a similar way
1476052;1464979599;spandrell;you're doing your thing as a military officer
1476053;1464979601;spandrell;working for the government
1476054;1464979607;spandrell;doing the honorable patrician kinda thing
1476055;1464979610;spandrell;wife, kids
1476056;1464979611;spandrell;work
1476057;1464979614;mircea_popescu;alright...
1476058;1464979625;spandrell;then a bunch of single young dudes
1476059;1464979627;mircea_popescu;i don't do that, nor would i. but i suppose i'm to leave this aside ?
1476060;1464979628;spandrell;get your father
1476061;1464979628;spandrell;mother
1476062;1464979629;spandrell;wife
1476063;1464979630;spandrell;children
1476064;1464979632;spandrell;all killed
1476065;1464979637;mircea_popescu;how do they do that ?
1476066;1464979639;spandrell;their heads put on spikes
1476067;1464979664;spandrell;do what
1476068;1464979665;asciilifeform;spandrell: you weren't at handle's parties were you
1476069;1464979676;mircea_popescu;spandrell get all my inner circle murdered.
1476070;1464979683;asciilifeform;i may have spandrell confused with another fella
1476071;1464979690;spandrell;never been to the US
1476072;1464979700;mircea_popescu;o wow really ? where you from then ?
1476073;1464979710;asciilifeform;then definitely confused.
1476074;1464979714;spandrell;some inconsequential country in europe
1476075;1464979718;spandrell;you met handle? how's he
1476076;1464979720;spandrell;we do talk a lot
1476077;1464979734;asciilifeform;spandrell: he stopped inviting me eons ago
1476078;1464979739;spandrell;lol
1476079;1464979746;mircea_popescu;lol what'd you do.
1476080;1464979752;asciilifeform;after i declared open jihad against his employer
1476081;1464979764;spandrell;the govt? or his specific agency
1476082;1464979765;mircea_popescu;a
1476083;1464979768;asciilifeform;nsa.
1476084;1464979775;spandrell;oh yeah
1476085;1464979785;asciilifeform;he is iirc a colonel there
1476086;1464979792;spandrell;he was pissed about snowden and stuff
1476087;1464979810;spandrell;see, he's a good example of a qin ming kind of guy
1476088;1464979815;mircea_popescu;so ridiculous, "i'm a colonel at nsa" "nice, i'm a regatta rear admiral!"
1476089;1464979818;spandrell;who doesnt like the govt but works for them and tries to be honorable
1476090;1464979829;asciilifeform;honorable lol
1476091;1464979833;mircea_popescu;tries to be honorable is like trying to be faithful.
1476092;1464979840;trinque;what is this, give unto caesar?
1476093;1464979841;mircea_popescu;there's no "trying".
1476094;1464979850;spandrell;of course there is
1476095;1464979856;spandrell;plenty of people go through the motions
1476096;1464979860;spandrell;to please wife or mom
1476097;1464979866;mircea_popescu;and this is then honorable ?
1476098;1464979869;mircea_popescu;seems infantile.
1476099;1464979878;mircea_popescu;let mom and wife please, what.
1476100;1464979879;spandrell;why infantile?
1476101;1464979888;spandrell;life's complicated, sometimes you dont have a choice
1476102;1464979889;mircea_popescu;because it's what children do, try t oplease a woman.
1476103;1464979903;mircea_popescu;well, especially all the sometimes you've decided not to have a choice.
1476104;1464979903;spandrell;see, bro culture
1476105;1464979906;mircea_popescu;aha.
1476106;1464979926;spandrell;i'm not a faithful man
1476107;1464979928;spandrell;i dont work for the govt
1476108;1464979940;spandrell;i try to please my wife with money and not faith
1476109;1464979942;spandrell;i get your point
1476110;1464979943;mircea_popescu;you just object to the notion some people might not give a shit what women think ?
1476111;1464979954;spandrell;no no, i completely get that
1476112;1464979957;spandrell;and try to do that myself
1476113;1464979961;mircea_popescu;why ?
1476114;1464979978;spandrell;but not everybody can, for whatever reason
1476115;1464979994;mircea_popescu;well i find this claim unsubstantiated so far, but anyway.
1476116;1464980004;mircea_popescu;$up spandrell
1476117;1464980004;deedbot;spandrell voiced for 30 minutes.
1476118;1464980011;spandrell;what claim
1476119;1464980018;mircea_popescu;that "not everybody can"
1476120;1464980026;spandrell;sometimes mom is a bitch
1476121;1464980039;mircea_popescu;so not everyone wants to. fine.
1476122;1464980040;spandrell;sometimes your wife has social commitments which you can't control
1476123;1464980042;mircea_popescu;not like they have to!
1476124;1464980059;spandrell;sometimes you dont have fuck you money
1476125;1464980063;spandrell;need to play ball to get a job
1476126;1464980064;mircea_popescu;i guess she's getting out one way or another. but then again this'd be why i own my women as opposed to marrying them.
1476127;1464980086;mircea_popescu;ah, poverty. sure. si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper...
1476128;1464980110;mircea_popescu;poverty however is dishonorable.
1476129;1464980149;spandrell;how does that work
1476130;1464980203;mircea_popescu;well, inasmuch as it forces you to do things.
1476131;1464980222;mircea_popescu;or what "that" were you asking about ?
1476132;1464980284;spandrell;well back to the water margin and bro culture
1476133;1464980310;spandrell;my issue with the stuff is that the hero-dudes are all about fight and drink and competing to fuck unrealistic fighting women
1476134;1464980319;spandrell;but who's producing children?
1476135;1464980325;spandrell;do you have children?
1476136;1464980429;mircea_popescu;nope.
1476137;1464980443;spandrell;well there you go
1476138;1464980448;mircea_popescu;it's an option though. i could, if i were so inclined. i'm not, but that's a societal failure.
1476139;1464980464;mircea_popescu;if children had actual marginal utility i would have children. by the dozen.
1476140;1464980465;spandrell;tell me about it
1476141;1464980475;mircea_popescu;so it's not a "there you go".
1476142;1464980482;spandrell;it is
1476143;1464980483;mircea_popescu;on the contrary.
1476144;1464980488;spandrell;the water margin herodudes
1476145;1464980491;spandrell;live in 1110
1476146;1464980506;spandrell;but their particular lifestyle means that for them children have no marginal utility either
1476147;1464980507;mircea_popescu;ah, and THEY don't have any children. yeah i can see that argument in that context.
1476148;1464980518;mircea_popescu;it's not a "for me". i said it in the general.
1476149;1464980519;spandrell;they're into drinking parties and constant warfare
1476150;1464980523;spandrell;kids aren't very useful there
1476151;1464980526;mircea_popescu;children today are a marginal cost.
1476152;1464980536;mircea_popescu;they're not useful at all.
1476153;1464980557;spandrell;i wrote a post about that too
1476154;1464980561;mircea_popescu;link.
1476155;1464980587;spandrell;https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2016/03/13/baby-socialism/
1476156;1464980599;spandrell;kids today are pets
1476157;1464980607;spandrell;they are useful for being cute and cuddly
1476158;1464980610;spandrell;little else
1476159;1464980620;mircea_popescu;aite. i'ma need some time to get to that, seeing how i'm not going too fast through this one cuz we keep talking midway :D
1476160;1464980633;mircea_popescu;spandrell ok, so then we agree.
1476161;1464980637;spandrell;which is why people tend to have 1 or 2, as beyond that they start being less cute and more annoying
1476162;1464980650;spandrell;nobody has 3 cats except crazy catladies
1476163;1464980657;mircea_popescu;now, ironically, i ~could~ make useful children. but i require items (such as an undisputed right to kill them) that i could also make, but can't be arsed to.
1476164;1464980694;mircea_popescu;moreover, post-world effect. i'm much better off picking up select 19yo children from otherr people than making them de novo.
1476165;1464980710;mircea_popescu;much like after-the-end people go around looting the walmart, not stocking the shelves.
1476166;1464980768;mircea_popescu;heh.
1476167;1464980774;mircea_popescu;$up spandrell_
1476168;1464980775;deedbot;spandrell_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1476169;1464980789;spandrell_;thanks
1476170;1464980809;mircea_popescu;of course by now we don't know whether this isn't an impostor :)
1476171;1464980819;mircea_popescu;make a pgp wouldja.
1476172;1464980851;spandrell_;if somebody actually bothers to supplant me i'll feel very flattered
1476173;1464980879;mircea_popescu;i don't think you've experienced paranoia of quite this strength and vintage in all your born days.
1476174;1464980886;spandrell_;anyway, i didnt come here to convince you to marry and have children
1476175;1464980900;mircea_popescu;sure.
1476176;1464980914;spandrell_;i take it you guys liked my chinese stories
1476177;1464980923;spandrell_;should i bother writing the book?
1476178;1464980926;mircea_popescu;yes.
1476179;1464980938;mircea_popescu;what exactly are you trying to get writing it though ? money ?
1476180;1464980941;mircea_popescu;there's no money in publishing.
1476181;1464980943;spandrell_;yep
1476182;1464980947;spandrell_;lol
1476183;1464980951;mircea_popescu;seems a silly plan.
1476184;1464980974;spandrell_;well i cant do it for the fame
1476185;1464980979;spandrell_;im pseudonymous
1476186;1464980979;mircea_popescu;you'll get what, 30 to 50 cents a copy. most of what you see will be the advance, which is what by now, a grand ?
1476187;1464980983;mircea_popescu;hardly worth a man's time.
1476188;1464980989;spandrell_;no no
1476189;1464980994;spandrell_;amazon takes 30%
1476190;1464980999;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1476191;1464980999;spandrell_;i could sell pdfs by myself
1476192;1464981003;mircea_popescu;you DON'T have a book deal ?
1476193;1464981005;mircea_popescu;get out.
1476194;1464981010;spandrell_;Orz
1476195;1464981024;mircea_popescu;this is basically the etsy plan. you know what the etsy chick is ?
1476196;1464981030;spandrell_;no
1476197;1464981048;mircea_popescu;the etsy chick is this imbecile female that instead of getting raped and loving it, listened to her stupid mother,
1476198;1464981051;mircea_popescu;stayed in school,
1476199;1464981065;mircea_popescu;finished with a useless degree, and is now trying to ... sell things on etsy.
1476200;1464981069;mircea_popescu;you know, handmade soap!
1476201;1464981091;spandrell_;if i spend, say, 100 hours writing a book
1476202;1464981094;spandrell_;i sell it for 5 bucks
1476203;1464981108;spandrell_;and i sell 1,000 copies
1476204;1464981118;spandrell_;that's 5,000 bucks which is nice but nothing special
1476205;1464981133;mircea_popescu;a) sub hour per page is hardly a book is it ; b) minimum wage is still minimum wage ; c) you've ever sold 1000 anything before ?
1476206;1464981141;*;trinque recalls a chick in portland that had an etsy shop for cat bowties
1476207;1464981163;mircea_popescu;trinque major in chinese acrobacy and irish clowning, 100k debt ?
1476208;1464981168;spandrell_;well my blog has a decent readership, i don't think 1,000 is farfetched
1476209;1464981173;trinque;mircea_popescu: god knows
1476210;1464981176;trinque;I laughed in her face
1476211;1464981185;mircea_popescu;spandrell_ you notice how this isn't actually related to what i say ?
1476212;1464981213;spandrell_;whats a) supposed to mean
1476213;1464981218;spandrell_;that a page of a book should take more than an hour?
1476214;1464981227;mircea_popescu;well no ?
1476215;1464981241;spandrell_;lol
1476216;1464981255;spandrell_;well if i can't get 5 pages per hour i'm not bothering with the damn book
1476217;1464981263;mircea_popescu;but think about it! what sad sort of bro culture is this where you put as much work into the book as a reader into the reading!
1476218;1464981263;spandrell_;didn't take me more time to write all those storeis
1476219;1464981265;mircea_popescu;why's he reading ?
1476220;1464981266;spandrell_;stories*
1476221;1464981288;mod6;<+trinque> I laughed in her face << lol
1476222;1464981306;spandrell_;i don't see how that follows
1476223;1464981312;spandrell_;i write fast, i'm awesome like that
1476224;1464981316;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
1476225;1464981321;mircea_popescu;hadn't occured to me, right.
1476226;1464981333;mircea_popescu;well... if you're awesome like that i guess 5k shouldn't be too hard.
1476227;1464981344;spandrell_;that's the thing tho
1476228;1464981351;spandrell_;5k are nice, but it's not like i can write a book every month
1476229;1464981355;mircea_popescu;course you might consider shitting it directly. rather than going through this complex process with pdfs.
1476230;1464981359;spandrell_;i mean i could, but i'd run out of funny stories pretty fast
1476231;1464981374;mircea_popescu;you know a funny derp by the name tucker max ?
1476232;1464981417;spandrell_;yep
1476233;1464981427;mircea_popescu;he's the fine example of this insanity.
1476234;1464981431;spandrell_;lol
1476235;1464981435;spandrell_;he did sell a damn lot of books tho
1476236;1464981459;mircea_popescu;so, too lazy to stick with law ; had "high traffic" website, which he parlayed into a coupla books which i suppose sold a coupla thousand copies, or w/e enough to pay rent for a coupla years. and then...
1476237;1464981473;mircea_popescu;he was rescue-married like a little bitch and there he goes, raising some woman's children, and no doubt pleasing her.
1476238;1464981483;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* but mgith as well cut to the chase.
1476239;1464981489;spandrell_;his wife's rich?
1476240;1464981491;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaaah
1476241;1464981492;spandrell_;well i guess that explains it
1476242;1464981492;asciilifeform;finally
1476243;1464981498;asciilifeform;wall of lcd.
1476244;1464981574;mircea_popescu;what's a "dark triad psychopath"
1476245;1464981613;mircea_popescu;o look, cool people. mkay.
1476246;1464981623;spandrell_;i could write about this guy
1476247;1464981625;spandrell_;1912
1476248;1464981629;spandrell_;confucian scholar
1476249;1464981637;spandrell_;publishes an article on a local newspaper
1476250;1464981643;spandrell_;saying he discovered the secret of the great men of history
1476251;1464981665;trinque;one secret trick they don't want you to know, eh?
1476252;1464981666;spandrell_;how all the dynasty founders and all the great heroes we adore came to be so great
1476253;1464981669;mircea_popescu;spandrell_ looky : the publishing thing works (marginally) if you get book deals. from macmillan or whoever the fuck still does it. they pay you a few thousand, kinda measly, and maybe royalties but not really.
1476254;1464981690;spandrell_;then he says, two words: thick and black
1476255;1464981694;spandrell_;which translates to shameless and evil
1476256;1464981707;spandrell_;you gotta be shameless and evil, then you can achieve great things
1476257;1464981716;spandrell_;which is kinda like the dark triad
1476258;1464981728;mircea_popescu;eh, the english notion of "evil" by now roughly maps to "not entirely boring".
1476259;1464981734;spandrell_;and indeed the book started a fever of books on how being shameless and evil helps you with chicks too
1476260;1464981786;spandrell_;i can't get book deals because i dont write under my real name
1476261;1464981791;spandrell_;my blog would get me in jail in my home country
1476262;1464981796;mircea_popescu;o.O
1476263;1464981798;mircea_popescu;how come ?!
1476264;1464981804;spandrell_;hate speech
1476265;1464981817;mircea_popescu;hahaha mkay.
1476266;1464981824;spandrell_;no kidding
1476267;1464981830;spandrell_;i said blacks are dumb
1476268;1464981833;spandrell_;5 years jail
1476269;1464981840;mircea_popescu;...
1476270;1464981841;spandrell_;i said women are dumb too
1476271;1464981842;spandrell_;5 more years
1476272;1464981843;mircea_popescu;what country is this ?!
1476273;1464981847;spandrell_;all of them
1476274;1464981862;mircea_popescu;well, they musta missed me.
1476275;1464981876;spandrell_;where you from
1476276;1464981894;asciilifeform;spandrell_: move to usa, here they simply sentence you to starvation via unemployability
1476277;1464981901;mircea_popescu;romania, originally.
1476278;1464981902;asciilifeform;advanced! civilized!111111111
1476279;1464981928;spandrell_;it is better than jail with Ahmed
1476280;1464981945;asciilifeform;spandrell_: here we have jail with Jamal
1476281;1464981966;mircea_popescu;i find it hard to believe anyone gives a shit, but anyway.
1476282;1464981988;spandrell_;nobody does unless you get into cathedral circles
1476283;1464981991;spandrell_;publishing is that
1476284;1464982013;spandrell_;you can shit on feminism at home or at the bar with your buddies
1476285;1464982021;mircea_popescu;depends how much money you have, i guess. but yes, publishing for a living is, definitionally, being a bureaucracy hanger-on.
1476286;1464982022;spandrell_;but you cant write a book saying that arabs are dumb
1476287;1464982063;mircea_popescu;what's your thing with arabs anyway ?
1476288;1464982152;spandrell_;they're dumb and hostile
1476289;1464982162;spandrell_;my thing! i'm the guy saying islam might be a good idea
1476290;1464982189;mircea_popescu;i've heard the same said of, in no particular order, women, computers, day old chicks, dogs, hungarians, germans, actually i tire of the list, it's universal.
1476291;1464982211;spandrell_;so you mean arabs are not dumb and hostile
1476292;1464982214;mircea_popescu;these aren't jews right ? arab's one thing ; islam's another. do you mean muslims ?
1476293;1464982223;mircea_popescu;i have no fuycking idea what "arabs" even is.
1476294;1464982232;spandrell_;people who speak arabic
1476295;1464982235;mircea_popescu;in my head it sits on the same shelf with "the country of africa"
1476296;1464982243;mircea_popescu;i speak some arabic!
1476297;1464982250;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from my reading, the shriveled orcs who populate egypt from mircea_popescu's tales thereof
1476298;1464982251;spandrell_;wtf
1476299;1464982262;spandrell_;why would anyone study arabic?
1476300;1464982263;mircea_popescu;i guess i am hostile enough, so maybe not a good example.
1476301;1464982277;mircea_popescu;spandrell_ you think english is a better culture language than arabic ?!
1476302;1464982302;spandrell_;oh yeah
1476303;1464982304;mircea_popescu;anywya, i didn't study any, picked off hos, like any other language.
1476304;1464982318;*;asciilifeform went on a relatively brief kick of (written) arabic
1476305;1464982325;spandrell_;arab hos?
1476306;1464982331;mircea_popescu;yeah ?
1476307;1464982356;spandrell_;christians i guess
1476308;1464982362;mircea_popescu;uh.
1476309;1464982376;mircea_popescu;what exactly is your exposure to this "arab" thing, because i'm starting to suspect maybe it's all livresque.
1476310;1464982391;spandrell_;muslim arabs
1476311;1464982407;spandrell_;in europe
1476312;1464982409;spandrell_;and morocco, once
1476313;1464982414;mircea_popescu;ok ok but i mean... there's whores in cairo ; more than in berlin for sure.
1476314;1464982427;mircea_popescu;ah, well... distress immigration is never a good measure, my good man.
1476315;1464982438;mircea_popescu;you have any idea how "the irish" looked from staten island cca 1900 ?
1476316;1464982456;spandrell_;i didnt have the confidence to go seek a hooker in casablanca, honestly
1476317;1464982472;spandrell_;it was hard enough to avoid getting scammed when asking for tea
1476318;1464982488;mircea_popescu;i bet you that if your car broke down and you had to use someone's phone, you'd rather do it in isfahan than chicago.
1476319;1464982523;spandrell_;that's the thing with chicago
1476320;1464982525;spandrell_;probably like peasant migrants look to native Shanghai urbanites
1476321;1464982558;spandrell_;isfahan is not arab, though
1476322;1464982562;mircea_popescu;no ?
1476323;1464982568;mircea_popescu;what is it ?
1476324;1464982578;spandrell_;iran
1476325;1464982582;mircea_popescu;right...
1476326;1464982599;asciilifeform;$up spandrell_
1476327;1464982600;deedbot;spandrell_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1476328;1464982606;mircea_popescu;the secret story of iran being that a large not-really-arab community is being oppressed by a buncha arabs.
1476329;1464982619;mircea_popescu;there's some subtext there, talk to locals sometime they miught explain it.
1476330;1464982629;spandrell_;some friends went to iran
1476331;1464982637;spandrell_;japanese dudes going alone
1476332;1464982639;spandrell_;apparently liked it
1476333;1464982649;mircea_popescu;the arab womenz are actually quite pleasant.
1476334;1464982665;spandrell_;i met this egyptian couple in japan
1476335;1464982668;spandrell_;not long ago
1476336;1464982672;spandrell_;the woman was were a full black burka
1476337;1464982690;spandrell_;she was very nice indeed
1476338;1464982700;spandrell_;laughed a lot
1476339;1464982708;spandrell_;was wearing*
1476340;1464982732;mircea_popescu;it's not really common in egypt, they usually wear that misr style hair cover thing, like jesus' mother.
1476341;1464982780;spandrell_;husband was an engineering PhD
1476342;1464982801;spandrell_;i mean to each his own, i really have nothing against that
1476343;1464982810;spandrell_;but i find them dumb and boring in general
1476344;1464982838;spandrell_;whether they are genetically dumb I guess is disputable, and I have no special evidence
1476345;1464982839;mircea_popescu;especially from a distance.
1476346;1464982986;asciilifeform;spandrell_: ever interact with 'neurotypical' folk of your own lands ?
1476347;1464982999;asciilifeform;they are somehow less boring than the egyptian ?
1476348;1464983001;spandrell_;oh yeah
1476349;1464983008;spandrell_;yep
1476350;1464983018;asciilifeform;on account of what ?
1476351;1464983032;asciilifeform;that they read the same völkischer beobachter as inflicted on you ?
1476352;1464983056;spandrell_;well even controlling for IQ
1476353;1464983071;spandrell_;normal people in europe would talk about soccer
1476354;1464983072;spandrell_;TV
1476355;1464983074;spandrell_;some politics
1476356;1464983083;asciilifeform;and the egyptian ?
1476357;1464983086;spandrell_;a lame book they might have read while on the commute
1476358;1464983112;spandrell_;egyptian talked about soccer a lot
1476359;1464983125;spandrell_;and his dumb religion
1476360;1464983188;asciilifeform;sounds quite similar to avg american
1476361;1464983214;asciilifeform;(which come in 2 common religions, 'world created 6.1k yr ago' and 'demoocracy')
1476362;1464983231;spandrell_;this egyptian  was a damn PhD
1476363;1464983254;spandrell_;the equivalent white guy would've not talked about soccer
1476364;1464983254;*;asciilifeform suffered the company of american ph.d. folk for many years, for a living
1476365;1464983273;spandrell_;gentlemen, you are really making my point
1476366;1464983275;asciilifeform;spandrell_: do you know what the chinese ph.d. i shared an office with for 2y liked most to talk about ?
1476367;1464983280;spandrell_;arab culture is bro culture
1476368;1464983288;asciilifeform;... where to buy petrol
1476369;1464983290;asciilifeform;to save a penny.
1476370;1464983291;spandrell_;whites are likely to enjoy islam
1476371;1464983305;spandrell_;lol
1476372;1464983308;asciilifeform;spandrell_: for man on titanic, enjoying water is optional
1476373;1464983316;asciilifeform;it doesn't ask first.
1476374;1464983334;spandrell_;and again i also wrote recently about asians in the west
1476375;1464983342;spandrell_;that they're gonna get fucked one way or the other
1476376;1464983348;spandrell_;whites prefer arabs to chinese
1476377;1464983353;*;asciilifeform read this - and most of spandrell_'s very entertaining material
1476378;1464983380;spandrell_;thank you
1476379;1464983468;spandrell_;so you're saying here that arabs are cool, probably not even dumb
1476380;1464983479;spandrell_;you're also saying that having children makes no sense because you cant own them or own your own wives
1476381;1464983482;spandrell_;well islam solves that
1476382;1464983484;asciilifeform;spandrell_: for the most part i quit reading 'reactionsphere' when mr mold vanished. and around same time found 100x more intellectually-rich ru equivalent.
1476383;1464983488;spandrell_;you get to own your woman
1476384;1464983495;asciilifeform;but occasionally i return for a helping of lulz
1476385;1464983515;asciilifeform;i find it ~fascinating~ how english folks are without exception wholly unaware of ru 'reaction' world.
1476386;1464983522;spandrell_;what's ru?
1476387;1464983533;asciilifeform;spandrell_: big fat thing that takes up 1/6 of dry land on yer globe
1476388;1464983556;spandrell_;oh
1476389;1464983559;spandrell_;so what, russian blogs?
1476390;1464983565;spandrell_;how's the approach
1476391;1464983568;asciilifeform;not only blogs.
1476392;1464983578;asciilifeform;you can get printed in dead tree there (e.g., limonov)
1476393;1464983584;asciilifeform;without passing 'eu human rights' commissions.
1476394;1464983593;spandrell_;limonov counts as reactionary?
1476395;1464983603;asciilifeform;sure as hell.
1476396;1464983642;spandrell_;who else? dugin?
1476397;1464983645;asciilifeform;granted his reaction involves reversion to living in yurts and taking up rape of dickless plains dwellers as primary hobby
1476398;1464983649;asciilifeform;dugin.
1476399;1464983652;asciilifeform;various folk.
1476400;1464983664;spandrell_;you're russian?
1476401;1464983667;asciilifeform;aha.
1476402;1464983682;asciilifeform;ended up in usa by stroke of misfortune as a boy though.
1476403;1464983690;spandrell_;hah
1476404;1464983696;spandrell_;what keeps you from going back
1476405;1464983718;mircea_popescu;spandrell_> whites prefer arabs to chinese << this is very true. chinese womenz aren't hawt. what can i do.
1476406;1464983719;asciilifeform;same thing that keeps spandrell_ from moving to, say, china.
1476407;1464983725;mircea_popescu;arab womenz can be shockingly hawt.
1476408;1464983751;spandrell_;chinese women are easier than arab women
1476409;1464983755;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: actually i prefer the chinese chix.
1476410;1464983758;asciilifeform;but i'm a monster.
1476411;1464983762;trinque;lol
1476412;1464983765;spandrell_;at least chinese men wont try to kill you
1476413;1464983772;mircea_popescu;omfg fancy this, variance! within our very cult
1476414;1464983774;spandrell_;they'd like to but they're chickens like that
1476415;1464983779;mircea_popescu;WHERE HAVE WE GONE WRONG
1476416;1464983785;asciilifeform;l0ltr0n
1476417;1464983790;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform please please like what i like omaygerd.
1476418;1464983791;mod6;:D
1476419;1464983794;mircea_popescu;lol
1476420;1464983810;spandrell_;i was in china for years actually
1476421;1464983821;asciilifeform;spandrell_: neato. why'd ya leave?
1476422;1464983844;spandrell_;kids
1476423;1464983848;spandrell_;didnt want to raise kids there
1476424;1464983856;asciilifeform;interesting - why not ?
1476425;1464983878;spandrell_;food is poisoned
1476426;1464983880;spandrell_;air is poisoned
1476427;1464983883;asciilifeform;ah like usa.
1476428;1464983884;spandrell_;schools are crazy expensive
1476429;1464983887;asciilifeform;like usa.
1476430;1464983889;spandrell_;babies get kidnapped all the time
1476431;1464983897;mircea_popescu;jesus the great empire china built for itself.
1476432;1464983903;asciilifeform;china is sorta like a man who eats poisoned fish and dies of same
1476433;1464983914;asciilifeform;ate usa, now 'enjoys' the heavy metals.
1476434;1464983916;mircea_popescu;they ate too much massachussetts ?
1476435;1464983918;asciilifeform;aha.
1476436;1464983927;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1476437;1464983949;mod6;mass-a-two-shits
1476438;1464983964;spandrell_;i mean it's not that bad
1476439;1464983966;spandrell_;got a coworker who had a kid too and stayed
1476440;1464983971;spandrell_;hasnt been kidnapped afaik
1476441;1464983975;mircea_popescu;what do you work ?
1476442;1464983979;spandrell_;but japan is completely awesome and i didnt see the point
1476443;1464983989;spandrell_;i'd rather not say
1476444;1464984009;mircea_popescu;mkay.
1476445;1464984015;asciilifeform;spandrell_: why, you're one of the 3 blokes who run reactors, and it'll be instantly obvious which one ?
1476446;1464984026;spandrell_;yep
1476447;1464984070;spandrell_;anyway, russian reaction might be awesome
1476448;1464984078;spandrell_;but russia sucks, which detracts from its credibility
1476449;1464984085;asciilifeform;spandrell_: it is the ONE civilized (in whatever sense) country that is resisting.
1476450;1464984097;spandrell_;oh come on, china is resisting too
1476451;1464984103;asciilifeform;china ate the fish.
1476452;1464984103;mircea_popescu;spandrell_ what's "sucks" mean here ?
1476453;1464984125;spandrell_;low living standards
1476454;1464984128;spandrell_;such that brain drain happens
1476455;1464984144;mircea_popescu;hahaha this is a rather... distant view.
1476456;1464984151;asciilifeform;y'know, typical ru fella has hot water in his flat
1476457;1464984151;spandrell_;got a ukrainian pal which is fond of sending me pictures of the russian countryside
1476458;1464984153;asciilifeform;unlike jp.
1476459;1464984154;spandrell_;hospitals with rats
1476460;1464984154;mircea_popescu;https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/12/30/men-doing-their-own-thing/#comment-7539 << i so much love little gems like these.
1476461;1464984155;spandrell_;that kind of stuff
1476462;1464984167;asciilifeform;yet somehow 'jp is the fyoooootooor' and 'ru sux'
1476463;1464984167;spandrell_;unlike jp?
1476464;1464984176;spandrell_;hot water? what are you talking about
1476465;1464984177;mircea_popescu;so, dickless beta whiteboy figures "islam" is "all about making all men equal", so he'll get a wife from allah.
1476466;1464984195;mircea_popescu;meanwhile irl, islam is about him dieing with a fucking explosive towel wrapped around his head, as a 37 yo virgin.
1476467;1464984205;asciilifeform;spandrell_: last i heard jp flats have under-counter heaters and many folks still warm tub with electric submersion thing.
1476468;1464984213;mircea_popescu;which, incidentally, i met aplenty in the arab lands. and they ~match spandrell_ 's ideas of "arab"
1476469;1464984225;mircea_popescu;except they're arabs in exactly the sense reddit's populated by computer experts.
1476470;1464984244;spandrell_;i dont even know what electric submersion means
1476471;1464984271;spandrell_;everybody has hot water here
1476472;1464984277;spandrell_;and baths are automatic
1476473;1464984278;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ie, the tea maker ?!
1476474;1464984281;spandrell_;press a button
1476475;1464984281;asciilifeform;spandrell_: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/thumb/7/7d/%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA.JPG/640px-%D0%9A%D0%B8%D0%BF%D1%8F%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA.JPG << them.
1476476;1464984284;spandrell_;set the temperature
1476477;1464984308;spandrell_;and once it's done you get a girl voice saying "sir your bath is ready"
1476478;1464984323;asciilifeform;spandrell_: in reactor operator's flat - yes
1476479;1464984327;spandrell_;it has a mike too so you can call your wife from the bathtub to ask for a beer
1476480;1464984328;spandrell_;it connects to the kitchen
1476481;1464984329;asciilifeform;in typical american expat's - no.
1476482;1464984331;spandrell_;where she's supposed to be
1476483;1464984355;spandrell_;i mean come on
1476484;1464984376;asciilifeform;and what does 'kitchen' mean in a 1-room closet flat anyway
1476485;1464984381;asciilifeform;the upper right hand corner ?
1476486;1464984385;asciilifeform;next to toilet curtain ?
1476487;1464984389;spandrell_;1-rooms are 1-rooms
1476488;1464984394;spandrell_;families don't live in 1-rooms
1476489;1464984399;spandrell_;single people do
1476490;1464984415;asciilifeform;and, what, when they want to breed, their room undergoes mitosis ?
1476491;1464984415;trinque;$up spandrell_
1476492;1464984415;deedbot;spandrell_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1476493;1464984448;spandrell_;i mean come on
1476494;1464984454;trinque;what's the rent on a place with the bathtub robot
1476495;1464984469;*;asciilifeform would like to know this also
1476496;1464984591;asciilifeform;$up spandrell
1476497;1464984592;deedbot;spandrell voiced for 30 minutes.
1476498;1464984598;spandrell;if russia were rich i'd be living there myself; who the hell wants to stand progressive bullshit if we could avoid it
1476499;1464984611;asciilifeform;spandrell: sounds like you are reasonably rich in jp ?
1476500;1464984622;spandrell;utterly middle class
1476501;1464984622;asciilifeform;the money will carry considerably farther in ru
1476502;1464984634;asciilifeform;'middle class' in jp will buy solid gold toilet in, e.g., usa.
1476503;1464984643;spandrell;not really
1476504;1464984647;spandrell;wages arent that high
1476505;1464984647;asciilifeform;(unless, as often the case, yer money is tied to geography)
1476506;1464984654;spandrell;prices are pretty cheap these days
1476507;1464984668;asciilifeform;how much does the robo-bathtub flat go for in usd ?
1476508;1464984680;spandrell;3 rooms
1476509;1464984689;spandrell;600 dollars
1476510;1464984696;spandrell;provincial town though, not tokyo
1476511;1464984711;asciilifeform;i can get same for 600 in some ohio shithole also.
1476512;1464984714;asciilifeform;where nobody wants to live.
1476513;1464984725;asciilifeform;jp =~ tokyo in my mind.
1476514;1464984738;spandrell;well in tokyo it can go for 1200-2000
1476515;1464984746;spandrell;depending how central
1476516;1464984771;spandrell;most people in tokyo live in 2 story houses in the suburbs
1476517;1464984772;asciilifeform;iirc if very central, and you want 'extras' like 'absence of vermin' or 'dishwasher and wash machine' it will go 4000+.
1476518;1464984781;spandrell;100sqm, USD400k
1476519;1464984787;asciilifeform;theeeeere we go.
1476520;1464984797;spandrell;no vermin
1476521;1464984807;spandrell;washing machine is of course universal
1476522;1464984811;spandrell;dishwasher increasingly so
1476523;1464984821;spandrell;no way it costs more than 2000 unless you're in an absurdly fancy place
1476524;1464984827;asciilifeform;400k buys you a flat in moscow.
1476525;1464984837;asciilifeform;or two in buenos aires, iirc
1476526;1464984853;asciilifeform;or 1/2 a flat in washington dc.
1476527;1464984861;spandrell;how much is the equivalent moscow wage?
1476528;1464984867;asciilifeform;equivalent to what ?
1476529;1464984874;spandrell;the same job in tokyo
1476530;1464984876;asciilifeform;i have no idea what kind of reactor spandrell operates
1476531;1464984884;asciilifeform;perhaps it does not even ~exist~ in moscow
1476532;1464984887;asciilifeform;just like mine does not.
1476533;1464984901;asciilifeform;which is why i'm stuck in this godforsaken shithole
1476534;1464984909;spandrell;an average salary for a 35 year old man in tokyo would be USD50k year
1476535;1464984919;asciilifeform;who the hell cares what is 'average pay of 35 yo'
1476536;1464984924;asciilifeform;do we include down's syndrome cases ?
1476537;1464984927;asciilifeform;the dead ?
1476538;1464984932;spandrell;college grads
1476539;1464984938;asciilifeform;what college ? what profession ? etc.
1476540;1464984947;asciilifeform;even 'pay of engineer' is VERY tricky question.
1476541;1464984951;spandrell;any college, any profession
1476542;1464984952;asciilifeform;because ~nobody is 'generic engineer'
1476543;1464984957;spandrell;i mean you're trying to argue that life in russia is good
1476544;1464984959;asciilifeform;these aren't meaningful 'any's.
1476545;1464984962;spandrell;russians emigrate, some even to japan
1476546;1464984963;asciilifeform;spandrell: nope.
1476547;1464984970;spandrell;japanese dont emigrate, most certainly not to russia
1476548;1464984972;asciilifeform;just that there is NO such thing as 'life in russia'
1476549;1464984974;spandrell;what does that say
1476550;1464984975;asciilifeform;any more than 'life in jp'
1476551;1464984978;asciilifeform;or 'life in usa'.
1476552;1464984985;asciilifeform;it is very different animal depending on ~who~ you are.
1476553;1464984993;spandrell;there you go
1476554;1464984995;spandrell;race doesnt exist!
1476555;1464985002;spandrell;i'm the linguist, you dont play semantics with me
1476556;1464985004;asciilifeform;japanese don't much emigrate because 'dun wanna live with niggers'
1476557;1464985012;asciilifeform;(which includes, to jp fella, you an' me)
1476558;1464985027;spandrell;chinese dun wanna live with niggers too
1476559;1464985035;asciilifeform;nobody does.
1476560;1464985037;spandrell;but they put up with it in order to beat the crap out of china
1476561;1464985337;spandrell;anyway, gentlemen, i must go
1476562;1464985342;spandrell;pleasure talking to you
1476563;1464985354;spandrell;hope you buy my book if I write it
1476564;1464985358;spandrell;88
1476565;1464985380;asciilifeform;spandrell: i will buy it.
1476566;1464985389;asciilifeform;spandrell: you are encouraged to return with pgp key.
1476567;1464985413;asciilifeform;spandrell: this is where the cultured men resist the rot.
1476568;1464985414;spandrell;thanks
1476569;1464985459;Framedragger;https://randomoracle.wordpress.com/2015/08/13/safenet-hsm-key-extraction-vulnerability-part-i/ tl;dr "PKCS#11 security = lol"
1476570;1464985467;asciilifeform;jolly fella.
1476571;1464985472;asciilifeform;been readin' him on and off, for eons.
1476572;1464985509;asciilifeform;Framedragger: l0l!!
1476573;1464985589;asciilifeform;'Extract-key-from-key is defined in section 6.27.7 of PKCS#11 standard version 2.30. It may as well have been renamed “extract-substring” as the analog of standard operation on strings. This derivation scheme creates a new key by taking a contiguous sequence of bits at desired offset and length from an existing key.' << holy FUCK
1476574;1464985594;asciilifeform;this existed?!!
1476575;1464985596;Framedragger;yeah i've recently started - enjoyable indeed
1476576;1464985691;Framedragger;yeah wtf right?!! (i didn't know, wtf)
1476577;1464985884;Framedragger;maybe you can run cellular automata on that thing, with those useless APIs
1476578;1464985985;asciilifeform;seems as if it were tailor-made for crapping out the kind of keys that have been appearing in phuctor.
1476579;1464986106;Framedragger;indeed..
1476580;1464986106;Framedragger;but look it's secure because when it's deriving new secret keys from another secret key it has this majestic security constraint: "If the original key used in this process is sensitive, then the derived key must also be sensitive for the derivation to succeed."
1476581;1464986122;Framedragger;so we're all good guyz
1476582;1464986127;asciilifeform;lel
1476583;1464986132;Framedragger;sensitive = some bit set
1476584;1464986160;Framedragger;ohey vc how's romania treating you then
1476585;1464986460;vc;Framedragger: foarte bine :^^)
1476586;1464986817;Framedragger;wow, ok, so pkcs#11 is horrible over 9000.
1476587;1464986817;Framedragger;cool vc, and i hope your rolling-out of hosting boxes is going most cocksuredly well!
1476588;1464986844;vc;it's going terribly but hopefully things should be ironed out soon and the service will launch
1476589;1464986851;vc;none of it has been my fault, delays at my parent host
1476590;1464986854;Framedragger;(re. pkcs#11, because e.g. that substring-attack is only meant to be against symmetric keys stored in that shitformat, but since e.g. ECDSA keypair's secret logarithm "is just stored as 32-byte scalar value [it's not meant to be stored that way there, but is, because reasons], [...] extract-key-from-key can be used to successively reveal chunks of that scalar value.")
1476591;1464986854;vc;and broken promises
1476592;1464986880;asciilifeform;Framedragger: whole thing is ~very~ overdue for the cleansing fires.
1476593;1464986893;asciilifeform;including the horse it rode in on.
1476594;1464986938;Framedragger;yeah, hard to argue with that
1476595;1464986961;Framedragger;vc: hey better slower than fast and shitty :)
1476596;1464987023;vc;when you're paying 2 grand fast and quality should not be mutually exclusive
1476597;1464990303;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475877 << Go to Florida, visit the dope recoverers meetings there. Many adults long reprogrammed.
1476598;1464990303;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 16:42 asciilifeform: i've never actually met an adult who had the experience and wasn't a traumatic wreck.
1476599;1464990687;pete_dushenski;o hey spandrell showed up. neato.
1476600;1464990747;mod6;damnit, tbot is taken
1476601;1464990764;mod6;guess i should have figured...
1476602;1464990804;pete_dushenski;$google site:contravex.com spandrell
1476603;1464990846;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476047 << I thought you wrote the post with them as the heroes?
1476604;1464990846;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 18:46 spandrell: why i dislike bros?
1476605;1464990885;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/21/statelessness-of-fearlessness/#footnote_0_4063 << there it is
1476606;1464990930;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/07/the-follow-your-heart-myth/ << quoted him here too. smart fellow, particularly on chinese historical happenings and interpretations, evidently.
1476607;1464990976;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474946 << this is famous and not unlike trump's experience on the apprentice.
1476608;1464990976;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 21:22 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4521
1476609;1464991026;pete_dushenski;j. trudeau as media darling has been well established since before i was born
1476610;1464991033;pete_dushenski;and pretty well since he was
1476611;1464991080;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474350 << in case you missed this, dan, it worked!!1
1476612;1464991080;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 03:46 danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, done.
1476613;1464991085;trinque;and now I learn that the custom search api doesn't do site:
1476614;1464991116;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: colour me impressed at the depth of your twatter pull
1476615;1464991135;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476600   <<< sux :/
1476616;1464991135;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 21:52 mod6: damnit, tbot is taken
1476617;1464991155;pete_dushenski;trinque: leave it to me to show you how badly your beautiful toys are broken
1476618;1464991182;trinque;search engine in WoT when
1476619;1464991185;pete_dushenski;speaking of which, anyone ever tried to send full 'account balance' from trb node when it was clearly a bullshit number ?
1476620;1464991230;shinohai;Implying I have a Bitcoin balance.
1476621;1464991233;pete_dushenski;obviously, it doesn't create a proper tx, but trb doesn't know this and so effectively locks the coins from being spent.
1476622;1464991258;pete_dushenski;all because it thinks it's waiting for confirmations that will never come
1476623;1464991270;shinohai;O.o
1476624;1464991275;trinque;glorious
1476625;1464991286;pete_dushenski;fucken braindamaged already, though i can't speak to whether heathen client operates in same way
1476626;1464991349;pete_dushenski;blockcypher is only tracker to recognise broken tx, but shows only 'empty script type' inputs and
1476627;1464991354;shinohai;Haven't personally ever seen this, though I only load up enough coins from another wallet sweep to complete tx
1476628;1464991410;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474673 << so it is. twas a popular little hobby back in 2010-2013, though i know of no one who took it beyond that and up to the business level.
1476629;1464991410;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 16:42 mircea_popescu: so electricity is like, <4 cent / kwh commercial in alberta ? who the hell knew, that's pretty good mining pricing neh ?
1476630;1464991568;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: speaking of your twatskillz, mind dropping @jackbaruth my response to http://archive.is/iBQow ? >> http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/02/fellow-astronauts-sure-fellow-american-proles-hmm/
1476631;1464991649;pete_dushenski;let's dump a bit of ol' jack baruth in the logs, just ftr :
1476632;1464991654;pete_dushenski;Now it’s China’s turn to attempt to prove that their centrally-managed currency can do it. They’re going to fail because nobody trusts China and nobody ever will. The business community knows that the Wall Street game is rigged but it’s rigged in a way that they trust. Nor will Bitcoin ever be more than a plaything for people on the fringes of the financial world. Pete’s very knowledgeable about
1476633;1464991654;pete_dushenski; Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c
1476634;1464991654;pete_dushenski;oins and cutting silver dollars into “bits” before we have any significant public adoption of any cryptography-based currency.
1476635;1464991656;pete_dushenski;Neither Pete nor I will live to see a world in which the United States is not a major player in international affairs, if not the major player. Go ahead and bet on that.
1476636;1464991735;pete_dushenski;this, ladies and gents, is the cream of the auto journo crop. it's hard to believe that he's as accomplished a driver and writer as he is while maintaining these aforequoted pretenses. but what can i say, i have a soft spot for the guy.
1476637;1464991879;pete_dushenski;in other azn news : http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2016/05/onbashira-log-moving-festival/
1476638;1464992241;pete_dushenski;in still other azn insights : "The quality of the highways are actually fantastic - in the old-days before we had proving grounds built in China we used to do high-speed testing on the newly-built highways before they were opened to public, and they were smooth as can be even at 120mph +. I would say the quality of the roads in the South are a little better, and industrial Provinces like Jinan a little po
1476639;1464992241;pete_dushenski;orer because of all the overloaded trucks tearing up the roads. But generally the highways get re-paved at least once-a-year, to both stimulate the construction-based economy here but also to keep the workers employed."
1476640;1464992320;pete_dushenski;can anyone confirm this once-a-year paving schedule ? because fuck me am i getting tired of the washboard frost heaves in this frozen backwater.
1476641;1464992394;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: "This evidence includes asserting it's will over Bitfinex, the shambling forum scam the succeeded Mt Gox and Bitstamp as..." << s/it's/its and s/the succeeded/that succeeded
1476642;1464992456;BingoBoingo;ty fxd
1476643;1464992571;pete_dushenski;speaking of spandrel (but not spandrell), i was just reading about the different types of spandrel glass. turns out there are more than a few ways to hide the slab end, mechanical, and electrical systems using an opaque curtain wall insert. the glass on these opaque sections is usually tempered because they get so hot with waste heat and greenhouse effect that they could crack from thermal shock. also, vo
1476644;1464992571;pete_dushenski;c's can ~stain~ them, which really makes you wonder wtf they're doing to our lungs.
1476645;1464992725;pete_dushenski;;;ticker
1476646;1464992726;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 570.4400000000001, Best ask: 570.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.55000, Last trade: 570.99, 24 hour volume: 49413.50272649, 24 hour low: 535.65, 24 hour high: 579.9400000000001, 24 hour vwap: None
1476647;1464992796;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski may be interested in my discovery today that 'nec' makes quite usable 'eizo's.
1476648;1464992800;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475389 << now if every bureaucratic meeting was that good, i'd still be setting my alarm clock every morning
1476649;1464992800;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 02:17 mircea_popescu: and in other japanews, http://66.media.tumblr.com/1904e39d9c0714d833fd435cd5f0faa2/tumblr_o0de7zkzHV1u9ovyno1_400.gif
1476650;1464992860;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: why couldn't you have figured this out before last christmas ? first it's the amazing pogo, then the amazing eizo... AND NOW IT'S NEITHER
1476651;1464992871;asciilifeform;lel
1476652;1464992876;asciilifeform;new hardware happenz srsly
1476653;1464992888;pete_dushenski;'except opteron' (tm) (r)
1476654;1464992891;asciilifeform;also eizo is pretty neat but the 3k one not the 300 one.
1476655;1464992906;pete_dushenski;ok so let's hear about these nec's
1476656;1464992913;asciilifeform;just installed one
1476657;1464992943;pete_dushenski;mk. model ?
1476658;1464992943;asciilifeform;'EA275UHD-BK'
1476659;1464992946;pete_dushenski;aha
1476660;1464992947;asciilifeform;surprisingly decent.
1476661;1464992975;asciilifeform;fucking hate 16:9 though, but ~nothing else exists in that density.
1476662;1464992989;pete_dushenski;ya, 16:10 or bust
1476663;1464992994;asciilifeform;4:3 or bust.
1476664;1464993001;asciilifeform;but there is NO 170+dpi 4:3.
1476665;1464993003;asciilifeform;afaik.
1476666;1464993005;pete_dushenski;eh what is this, the cinema ?
1476667;1464993024;asciilifeform;dunno where pete_dushenski goes to cinema, but around here they're 16:10
1476668;1464993066;asciilifeform;anyway i stack 16:9's on their side to get giant 4:3. but it's a pain.
1476669;1464993093;pete_dushenski;i've tried that too. didn't take.
1476670;1464993358;pete_dushenski;anyways, i think i have enough monitors for the time being. unlike cars, you can't just park 'em all and grab the keys to the one you're in the mood for that day. a workstation isn't a commute or an errand run
1476671;1464993482;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2016/06/03/good-15-inch-laptop-with-a-great-keyboard/ << good ol' philg asking readership for hardware recommendations. only caveat : MUST RUN WINDOWS 10
1476672;1464993498;asciilifeform;mebbe he does malware analysis now.
1476673;1464993507;pete_dushenski;on self ?
1476674;1464993516;pete_dushenski;like surgeon who cuts own flesh ?
1476675;1464993539;pete_dushenski;pretty sure he has some small consulting biz or other, don't think it was malware related
1476676;1464993616;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/lcd.jpg << nec is 2nd from left
1476677;1464993658;pete_dushenski;since when don't you use imhur ?
1476678;1464993665;pete_dushenski;;)
1476679;1464993667;asciilifeform;since there is 1 photo
1476680;1464993674;asciilifeform;and i dun have to crank out html for indices.
1476681;1464993801;trinque;nice, portrait and 4 of them is the only way to go
1476682;1464993804;trinque;SO MUCH TERMINAL
1476683;1464993826;asciilifeform;trinque: goes great with balanced diet of mouseless wm
1476684;1464993855;pete_dushenski;bbiab
1476685;1464994172;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: i'd like to start adding vertically (there is, e.g., ample room for 2 moar horizontal 16:9s above the left and right pair each) but difficult to found proper mounting arms to make'em align just-so
1476686;1464994192;asciilifeform;so far i've found 0 off-the-shelf mounts that extend far enough vertically AND horizontally.
1476687;1464994207;asciilifeform;lever force, i suspect, would be too great, it'd snap the chunk of desk it attaches to clean off.
1476688;1464994248;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, mircea_popescu check out this here pond scum, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/53e25f3c-920e-4598-9b84-f1c9aea1ff73
1476689;1464994274;asciilifeform;l0l tiraspol
1476690;1464994720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform uh what's notable ?
1476691;1464994740;asciilifeform;crapolade new-to-me, is all.
1476692;1464994777;asciilifeform;and containing what looks like turdware c&c.
1476693;1464994807;asciilifeform;with ~usable params (could, theoretically, simulate a bot of his, see what it gets asked to do.)
1476694;1464994810;mircea_popescu;looks more like some sort of windows "hacking tool" by the idiotic "try everything n times"
1476695;1464994828;asciilifeform;i used to bait these folk regularly.
1476696;1464994869;asciilifeform;they don't show up on dulap nearly as often as one might expect.
1476697;1464994953;mircea_popescu;anyway, apparently pearl s. buck did an anglo water margin
1476698;1464994954;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476633 << pete_dushenski who was the derp ?
1476699;1464994955;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 22:07 pete_dushenski:  Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c
1476700;1464994961;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'good earth' ?
1476701;1464994966;asciilifeform;not == afaik
1476702;1464995012;mircea_popescu;nah, all men are brothers
1476703;1464995027;asciilifeform;gotta love the immortal ' magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money '
1476704;1464995041;mircea_popescu;the who ?
1476705;1464995049;asciilifeform;nobody wants to contemplate that he is pond scum ready for the fermentation reactor
1476706;1464995060;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pete was quoting some derp from his commentz
1476707;1464995086;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is an iq 95 dude with extenders to 110 ?
1476708;1464995097;asciilifeform;l0l extenders
1476709;1464995098;mircea_popescu;you know, turbo button pushed on.
1476710;1464995102;asciilifeform;can haz turbo button ?
1476711;1464995105;asciilifeform;i could use one.
1476712;1464995108;mircea_popescu;heh.
1476713;1464995131;asciilifeform;if it were like the one on my 486 dx2, it'll turn me cache back on.
1476714;1464995134;mircea_popescu;"how long is your penis ?" "drawn it's like even over ten inches"
1476715;1464995152;asciilifeform;(i was a cruel shock when i learned that it LIED and DID NOT set clock to 10Mhz like promised on the lights!111111)
1476716;1464995165;asciilifeform;^ and in fact turbo buttons ~always worked this way
1476717;1464995184;mircea_popescu;you know looking at this trilema article, it's a pretty epic shot of you asciilifeform ? i hope you use it for cvs.
1476718;1464995190;asciilifeform;lel where this was
1476719;1464995191;asciilifeform;c2?
1476720;1464995194;mircea_popescu;ya
1476721;1464995209;mircea_popescu;you could be on a fucking rap album. wu tang ain't got nothin' to touch this.
1476722;1464995224;asciilifeform;l0lk
1476723;1464995307;*;asciilifeform brb, ph00d
1476724;1464995339;mircea_popescu;i never quite realised its sheer potential ; not until spandrell guy asked about you.
1476725;1464995385;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476485 << ahahaah hater. listen, just because japan is better than russia doesn't mean you hafta get sore. japan's always been better than russia :D
1476726;1464995385;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 20:06 asciilifeform: the upper right hand corner ?
1476727;1464995447;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476516 << and most people in new york live in long island ?
1476728;1464995447;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 20:12 spandrell: most people in tokyo live in 2 story houses in the suburbs
1476729;1464995492;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476524 << more like 3 and even that's scandalous wtf.
1476730;1464995492;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 20:13 asciilifeform: 400k buys you a flat in moscow.
1476731;1464995514;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476721 >> for srs rap album
1476732;1464995514;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 23:06 mircea_popescu: you could be on a fucking rap album. wu tang ain't got nothin' to touch this.
1476733;1464995523;mircea_popescu;my man.
1476734;1464995689;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476547 << by this token, women suck cock, even of men ; men don't suck cock, and if they do it's sure as hell not women's, ergo... men live better ?
1476735;1464995689;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 20:16 spandrell: japanese dont emigrate, most certainly not to russia
1476736;1464995712;mircea_popescu;since when is behaviour the measure of situation, what's next, niggers steal because poor ?
1476737;1464995908;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476588 << me chuckles quietly to himself.
1476738;1464995908;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 20:47 vc: it's going terribly but hopefully things should be ironed out soon and the service will launch
1476739;1464995977;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476590 << consider another point here. on the basis of v neuman's quote with the state of sin, what can be said of a purported "cryptography mechanism" which can be stored as a 32 byte value ?
1476740;1464995977;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 20:47 Framedragger: (re. pkcs#11, because e.g. that substring-attack is only meant to be against symmetric keys stored in that shitformat, but since e.g. ECDSA keypair's secret logarithm "is just stored as 32-byte scalar value [it's not meant to be stored that way there, but is, because reasons], [...] extract-key-from-key can be used to successively reveal chunks of that scalar value.")
1476741;1464996246;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476632 <<< ahaha what the shit.
1476742;1464996246;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 22:07 pete_dushenski: Now it’s China’s turn to attempt to prove that their centrally-managed currency can do it. They’re going to fail because nobody trusts China and nobody ever will. The business community knows that the Wall Street game is rigged but it’s rigged in a way that they trust. Nor will Bitcoin ever be more than a plaything for people on the fringes of the financial world. Pete’s very knowledgeable about
1476743;1464996254;mircea_popescu;where do all these nuts keep popping from ?
1476744;1464996264;mircea_popescu;"oh, mommy knows best" "yeah you know what, go fuck your mother."
1476745;1464996333;mircea_popescu;leaving it as an exercise for any attendant alfs to explain difference between locklin and baruth. $indistinguishable_flavours_of_stupid_old_man
1476746;1464996489;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476680 << wordpress auto-indices!
1476747;1464996489;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 22:41 asciilifeform: and i dun have to crank out html for indices.
1476748;1464996952;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475889 << the behaviour is so deeply instinctual in humans, ex-goatherder chicks will naturally hallucinate how other girls they don't like don't love you enough.
1476749;1464996953;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 17:05 asciilifeform: ( https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/leftism-is-just-an-easy-excuse )
1476750;1464996955;mircea_popescu;tis a thing.
1476751;1464997435;mircea_popescu;;;later tell spandrell amusingly, you fall in a very orwell-like vat (as per http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/ ). really what you describe is the behaviour ~of idiots~ and them only. actual people do have ideology-activity connections going.
1476752;1464997436;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1476753;1464997459;mircea_popescu;that's actually how you distinguish actual people from the plain cuntspawn. and that's why attempted reductionisms a la "bros" don't actually work.
1476754;1464997482;mircea_popescu;there's nothing women can [say|wail] that can possibly change the plain fact that men do what they say an' say what they mean.
1476755;1464997493;mircea_popescu;nor can this ever be "forgotten", it's a thing in itself not a thing by convention.
1476756;1464997546;pete_dushenski;might be spandrell_ ? but no key so who knows
1476757;1464997559;mircea_popescu;funny that people actually think female behaviours are human behaviours, nowadays.
1476758;1464997573;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476698 << one jack baruth. it's on contravex if you're so inclined.
1476759;1464997573;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 23:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476633 << pete_dushenski who was the derp ?
1476760;1464997575;mircea_popescu;used to be a time when opposite held true. that time was... what, coupla generations ago ?
1476761;1464997576;mircea_popescu;weird.
1476762;1464997594;pete_dushenski;time dun stand still
1476763;1464997612;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean... these damned colonists ? from one idiotic excess to its opposite ?
1476764;1464997618;mircea_popescu;can't simmer down any ?
1476765;1464997677;pete_dushenski;lots of room to move around in der kolonies. gasses expand to fill their containers.
1476766;1464997728;mircea_popescu;yeah but given their inept inability to REFERENCE THINGS and their truly despicable johnsmithism "i invented hot water in 1910", there's no dampening of the process, they'll just bong one way and the other and back again forever.
1476767;1464997748;mircea_popescu;a land of which no culture could ever come. much like a planet too small to retain gases.
1476768;1464997755;pete_dushenski;until they hit mexico to the south or... that's it i guess
1476769;1464998264;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476127 << diogenes ? search pulled up http://trilema.com/2013/back-to-work-whore
1476770;1464998264;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 18:54 mircea_popescu: ah, poverty. sure. si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper...
1476771;1464998303;mircea_popescu;heh. this internet and its incredible poverty...
1476772;1464998342;mircea_popescu;yeah pete_dushenski , the whole quote is "diogenes philosophus cuidam interroganti qua hora hominem cenare deceret :  Si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. Si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."
1476773;1464998368;pete_dushenski;aha!
1476774;1464998369;mircea_popescu;(diogenes the philosopher asked by someone when people to eat said : if the one you ask about is rich, he can eat when he pleases ; if poor, has to eat when he can.)
1476775;1464999094;*;pete_dushenski off for beer time. 
1476776;1465004616;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476725 << jp occupies what one might call the opposite magnetic pole from mali or whoever is bottom of the orc pile.
1476777;1465004616;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 23:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476485 << ahahaah hater. listen, just because japan is better than russia doesn't mean you hafta get sore. japan's always been better than russia :D
1476778;1465004634;asciilifeform;jp - folks bred for politeness.
1476779;1465004656;asciilifeform;sorta showcases the extreme of the 'tallest building you can build' from mircea_popescu's 'prophete' article.
1476780;1465004703;asciilifeform;in jp, pretty much everybody with white face, is LITERALLY nigger.
1476781;1465004715;asciilifeform;in all of the various senses. is my current understanding.
1476782;1465004755;*;asciilifeform at one point was pathologically well informed on jp secondhand, but is emphatically NOT a veteran thereof nor set foot there, and will not comment further
1476783;1465004833;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476739 << the aes key used by everybody here when they gpg is precisely 32 bytes long. (not that this is something to be proud of.)
1476784;1465004833;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 23:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476590 << consider another point here. on the basis of v neuman's quote with the state of sin, what can be said of a purported "cryptography mechanism" which can be stored as a 32 byte value ?
1476785;1465004887;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476745 << locklin entertained me (he had articles on 'q' programming lang, apl, etc. that were not wholly uninteresting.)
1476786;1465004887;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 23:25 mircea_popescu: leaving it as an exercise for any attendant alfs to explain difference between locklin and baruth. $indistinguishable_flavours_of_stupid_old_man
1476787;1465004900;asciilifeform;i still have nfi who baruth is/was.
1476788;1465004915;asciilifeform;aside from the claptrap he left on pete's site.
1476789;1465004941;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476746 << i prolly oughta plant down a second, rubbish wordpress, for the rubbish.
1476790;1465004942;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 23:28 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476680 << wordpress auto-indices!
1476791;1465005005;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476751 << fella doesn't seem to presently ~have~, yet, an ideology, beyond a quite accurate picture of 'the west is phucked'
1476792;1465005005;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 23:43 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell spandrell amusingly, you fall in a very orwell-like vat (as per http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/ ). really what you describe is the behaviour ~of idiots~ and them only. actual people do have ideology-activity connections going.
1476793;1465005026;asciilifeform;any more than sailor clinging to broken plank of wrecked ship, has ideology.
1476794;1465005038;asciilifeform;(ideology thereby)
1476795;1465007362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh get out, i recall empire of japan owning teh czar pretty hardcore.
1476796;1465007371;asciilifeform;sure did!
1476797;1465007407;mircea_popescu;that was such a lulzy battle too. what was it called ?
1476798;1465007409;asciilifeform;was good preview of what alt-historical non-bolshevik ru would have been raped like.
1476799;1465007413;mircea_popescu;the "largest naval encounter" at the time
1476800;1465007415;asciilifeform;port artur ?
1476801;1465007420;mircea_popescu;i think so
1476802;1465007445;mircea_popescu;technically, i expect it'd have gone the way of turkey.
1476803;1465007450;asciilifeform;aha.
1476804;1465007456;mircea_popescu;would be today ~polish commonwealth + stans
1476805;1465007458;asciilifeform;but likely with more territorial carve.
1476806;1465007472;asciilifeform;certainly not 1/6 of dry land mass.
1476807;1465007482;mircea_popescu;fortunately for everyone involved, czar was infinitely more inept than sultan
1476808;1465007502;mircea_popescu;weird what ends up being saving grace.
1476809;1465007523;asciilifeform;folks with 'life force' in'em - eat those without. newz at 11?
1476810;1465007554;mircea_popescu;yes, but the part where it is better to have shitty czar than strong sultan if you have no life force left is rarely comprehended.
1476811;1465007594;asciilifeform;it goes under the heading of 'ancient art of knowing when to eat naga'
1476812;1465007596;asciilifeform;nagan
1476813;1465007702;mircea_popescu;eating nagas... now that'd be a show.
1476814;1465007709;asciilifeform;sure would !
1476815;1465007727;*;asciilifeform pictures something liek hybrid of sword swallower and snake charmer
1476816;1465007768;shinohai;http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/start.jpeg   <<< lolz
1476817;1465007785;mircea_popescu;these schmucks seriously go around pretending some book published in the 1930s is "under copyright" ?
1476818;1465007789;mircea_popescu;for the love of fuck.
1476819;1465007799;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwut
1476820;1465007801;asciilifeform;who
1476821;1465007827;mircea_popescu;$google "all men are brothers" pearl s buck "full text"
1476822;1465007835;deedbot;http://www.academypublication.com/ojs/index.php/tpls/article/download/tpls0503581589/139 << Download this PDF file | http://ijbssnet.com/journals/Vol_4_No_13_October_2013/6.pdf << Cultural Factors in Literary Translation: Foreignization and ... | http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=FC6BABFB01EB5E0597A4C56D130E70EF?doi=10.1.1.673.7336&rep=rep1&type=pdf << Download as a PDF
1476823;1465007854;mircea_popescu;heh.
1476824;1465007963;mircea_popescu;so fucking useless, this "google search" thing...
1476825;1465008060;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatever. derpy books.
1476826;1465008274;asciilifeform;interestingly, no ready ru either
1476827;1465008311;asciilifeform;though i suspect that i know why
1476828;1465008332;asciilifeform;('all men are brothers' appears to be straight translation of the cn thing into eng)
1476829;1465008451;asciilifeform;shinohai: any context for that ?
1476830;1465008505;mircea_popescu;btw asciilifeform ever seen http://trilema.com/2011/biroul/ ?
1476831;1465008522;asciilifeform;yes! mircea_popescu linked it quite recently
1476832;1465008528;mircea_popescu;oh i did ? sorry.
1476833;1465008535;mircea_popescu;i'm rather infatuated with it currently.
1476834;1465008579;asciilifeform;gonna try in other langs?
1476835;1465008609;mircea_popescu;i don't think that one's possible in any other lang.
1476836;1465008618;asciilifeform;try ru
1476837;1465008636;mircea_popescu;no but see it is direct learned reference, all through, to famous poem. "o bizant, bizant ferice"
1476838;1465008650;mircea_popescu;ru doesn't have cartarescu cycles in it.
1476839;1465008656;asciilifeform;tru.
1476840;1465008669;asciilifeform;this'd be like attempting riff on pushkin in engl.
1476841;1465008681;mircea_popescu;that's the problem with high culture. you can't REALLY translate huxley say in french. what translate ?
1476842;1465008682;asciilifeform;extreme sport aficionados only.
1476843;1465008690;mircea_popescu;exactly!
1476844;1465008726;asciilifeform;sorta why i largely gave up on anglicizing ru fare. it ends up a hash, like that bugler thing
1476845;1465008755;asciilifeform;can be moved to do it, if coming across some gaping and suctiony it-shaped hole
1476846;1465008758;asciilifeform;but not otherwise.
1476847;1465008879;shinohai;asciilifeform: coin attempting to seekritly auto dump coins on bittrex, I found it lulzy
1476848;1465008927;asciilifeform;shinohai: coin?
1476849;1465008960;asciilifeform;this was... what ? walletron ? why would it print 'dumping coins' to stdout ?
1476850;1465009158;mircea_popescu;imo the bugler came out pretty good.
1476851;1465009164;mircea_popescu;then again, that's me from this end of it.
1476852;1465009187;shinohai;Startcoin ... some part of Butterin's waterfall
1476853;1465009204;shinohai;Need coins? Ask teh scammers!
1476854;1465039214;asciilifeform;possibly interesting: http://tinycorelinux.net
1476855;1465039397;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476783 << don't forget that a "full" gpg fingerprint is a shitty 160 bit sha1sum, heh
1476856;1465039397;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 01:47 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476739 << the aes key used by everybody here when they gpg is precisely 32 bytes long. (not that this is something to be proud of.)
1476857;1465039449;asciilifeform;Framedragger: read the logz, gpg and compatibles are retarded in 101 ways
1476858;1465039543;Framedragger;but folks here still use gpg fingerprints, which is funny
1476859;1465039547;Framedragger;but sure.
1476860;1465039619;asciilifeform;Framedragger: used on account of 0 alternatives solely.
1476861;1465039665;Framedragger;your phuctor uses a different hashing scheme. but i suppose wide deployment would be hard and also ultimately futile, given that i assume folks here haven't planned a bright future for gpg
1476862;1465039682;asciilifeform;gpg is 'healthiest horse at glue factory'
1476863;1465039715;Framedragger;heh. yeah, k.
1476864;1465039746;asciilifeform;Framedragger: phuctor's hash is quite inapplicable anywhere else, because it includes the entire key - names, emails, ~all~ subkeys.
1476865;1465039808;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah, right; subkeys included. fair enough.
1476866;1465051027;mircea_popescu;Framedragger for rsa yes ; for gpg ... mno.
1476867;1465051065;mircea_popescu;ftr, the problem with the sha1sum isn't even that it's 160 bits ; worse fates could be devised.
1476868;1465051072;mircea_popescu;the problem is that it doesn't include the important parts.
1476869;1465051477;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, i have nfi what you're using, but most people here are using either aes256 or twofish, i would suspect. and if they do not - they should edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and add personal-cipher-preferences AES256 TWOFISH right above the line that says personal-digest-preferences SHA512
1476870;1465051510;mircea_popescu;aes256 is (supposedly) ~2^100 against related key attacks which'd be the better attack known.
1476871;1465051665;mircea_popescu;(also not particularly useful in theory, but then again gpg is a pos.)
1476872;1465052293;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476869 << that's what i said: 32 bytes.
1476873;1465052293;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 14:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, i have nfi what you're using, but most people here are using either aes256 or twofish, i would suspect. and if they do not - they should edit ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and add personal-cipher-preferences AES256 TWOFISH right above the line that says personal-digest-preferences SHA512
1476874;1465052319;mircea_popescu;a right you are :p
1476875;1465055815;deedbot;[Trilema] Let's do Chinese together. - http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/
1476876;1465056565;deedbot;[Qntra] DoctorClu Gets 8 Years In Prison - http://qntra.net/2016/06/doctorclu-gets-8-years-in-prison/
1476877;1465057166;mircea_popescu;hahaha so i don't fucking get it... they get to keep pretending that tor's not schweizer, and what's the derp get ?
1476878;1465057199;mircea_popescu;google doesn't even register its name
1476879;1465057667;BingoBoingo;for srs
1476880;1465057873;mircea_popescu;someone gotta explain to us tards how commerce works.
1476881;1465057935;mircea_popescu;"you want to keep pretending X ? fine, this means you get to pay through the nose. so your pretense you're a world power costs what, 5 trn a year in subsidies to everyone that can bust your skull open ? fine. this is what, 1/1000 as important, that'd mean you owe me ~5bn to plead out and let you be. how much of that you got in cash ? and by cash we mean bitcoin, of course."
1476882;1465057990;asciilifeform;l0l! from what position this is to be said? from negotiating inside prison ?
1476883;1465058035;asciilifeform;i can see it from dirigible, firing warning hbomb shots across potomac river. but from captive derp ?
1476884;1465058880;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/0c1d836b-571c-4831-88b5-9ba375ee662f << you've got br04dc457!111111
1476885;1465058880;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1476886;1465061602;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ty.
1476887;1465061612;mircea_popescu;an' what's position to do with anything.
1476888;1465062391;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3774c475-7c9f-448a-b8dc-5df5e83ba5bc/?raw=true
1476889;1465063257;deedbot;[Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2016-statement/
1476890;1465063515;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: got it.
1476891;1465064030;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1476630 << done
1476892;1465064030;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 22:06 pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: speaking of your twatskillz, mind dropping @jackbaruth my response to http://archive.is/iBQow ? >> http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/02/fellow-astronauts-sure-fellow-american-proles-hmm/
1476893;1465064182;ben_vulpes;nifty asciilifeform
1476894;1465065873;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
1476895;1465065873;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1476896;1465068730;mod6;what stator script?
1476897;1465068823;mod6;if you're talking about "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh" -- then yes, it's on the list of things to resolve/fix.  thanks for letting us know.
1476898;1465069689;shinohai;wb mod6 didja have fun?
1476899;1465070941;BingoBoingo;;;tickr --market all
1476900;1465070942;gribble;Error: "tickr" is not a valid command.
1476901;1465070952;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1476902;1465070969;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 570.0, vol: 6696.80983886 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 562.49, vol: 6475.85915 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 571.54, vol: 44728.67004068 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 560.0, vol: 15.25213674 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.573683, vol: 52732.18070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 571.109, vol: 2757.10789344 | Volume-weighted last average: 572.795851685
1476903;1465071034;BingoBoingo;Oh, and now China's side of the spread won
1476904;1465071496;ben_vulpes;neat little distro asciilifeform
1476905;1465071587;mod6;shinohai: aye.
1476906;1465074872;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3971168913649098519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Craig A. West <west1@purdue.edu>; Craig A. West <cawest1221@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC
1476907;1465075530;BingoBoingo;Redditors make a serious career decision "Keep delivering pizzas or move over to Chinese food? (self.TalesFromThePizzaGuy)" https://archive.is/IXwLT
1476908;1465075639;shinohai;^ lawl
1476909;1465075799;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476906 << new batch, + nonmirrored.
1476910;1465075800;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 21:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3971168913649098519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Craig A. West <west1@purdue.edu>; Craig A. West <cawest1221@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC
1476911;1465076165;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476894 << heh.
1476912;1465076165;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 18:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
1476913;1465078395;mircea_popescu;hey asciilifeform you around ?
1476914;1465085822;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: back now.
1476915;1465085824;asciilifeform;was in town.
1476916;1465086380;asciilifeform;from the l0ltr0nz, https://news.vice.com/article/edward-snowden-leaks-tried-to-tell-nsa-about-surveillance-concerns-exclusive
1476917;1465086494;asciilifeform;'What's remarkable about this FOIA release, however, is that the NSA has admitted that it altered emails related to its discussions about Snowden.'
1476918;1465086569;asciilifeform;pretty lulzy,
1476919;1465086572;asciilifeform;'On April 11, Vanity Fair released its story. That afternoon, Ledgett sent an email to Teresa Shea, the director of signals intelligence — or SIGINT, which is responsible for decoding electronic communications — and a number of officials whose names were redacted. (Later that year, Shea left the NSA after BuzzFeed reported that she and her husband ran a SIGINT "contracting and consulting" business out of their house in what appea
1476920;1465086572;asciilifeform;red to be a conflict of interest with her official NSA duties.) The email, with the subject line, "Vanity Fair Article With Fugitive – May Cause Additional Work," said "the much anticipated Vanity Fair article with the fugitive is out.... Probably the most concerning issue in the article is the fugitives [sic] assertion that he raised complaints with NSA lawyers and oversight and compliance personnel."'
1476921;1465087034;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476906 << this one, like the last 4, fails checksum...
1476922;1465087034;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 21:14 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3971168913649098519 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Craig A. West <west1@purdue.edu>; Craig A. West <cawest1221@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC
1476923;1465087509;asciilifeform;oooooooook this gets interesting:
1476924;1465087523;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EEC10B5DDCC3DF9891ED3E5ED9C69015202B07F218F4403DA0DBE64BE8558645 is the unrotted version of http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DF60B763FBE9B2830F5999D0549DB8803DCEEA6F6DCA7D0828EEEC9804B619AC
1476925;1465087529;asciilifeform;i tracked it down manually.
1476926;1465087573;asciilifeform;a 0xb6 in the middle of the primary modulus became a 0xb4. no other changes.
1476927;1465087604;asciilifeform;this and the couple of similar cases could even be genuine bitrot...
1476928;1465087753;asciilifeform;^^^^^ http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rotten.png ^^^^^
1476929;1465087845;asciilifeform;https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=cawest1221%40gmail.com << where found.
1476930;1465087921;asciilifeform;in case there are arithmetic-challenged folks reading, this is a 1 bit flip.
1476931;1465087976;asciilifeform;the funny part is that i'd bet real money that there are pgptrons that will happily eat and encipher to this key.
1476932;1465088174;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476897 << mod6 i was talking about the stator.sh in the tarball distributed on therealbitcoin.org. but more generally speaking we should NOT be linking to openssl.org or other heathens! the tarballs are not so big, they ought to be on trb site.
1476933;1465088174;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 19:33 mod6: if you're talking about "http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh" -- then yes, it's on the list of things to resolve/fix.  thanks for letting us know.
1476934;1465088225;mod6;yep
1476935;1465088234;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ^^^^^ http://www.loper-os.org/pub/rotten.png ^^^^^ << weird
1476936;1465088356;asciilifeform;mod6: these cases are thus far the only ones that even theoretically fit the description of 'really hot&bothered photon'
1476937;1465088387;asciilifeform;and would appear to prove that anybody can upload whatever the fuck rubbish to sks and it will propagate.
1476938;1465088399;asciilifeform;no need for it to even follow the format.
1476939;1465088491;mod6;smh
1476940;1465088517;asciilifeform;?
1476941;1465088531;mod6;im saying, "what a pile of shit". burn it all.
1476942;1465088542;asciilifeform;newz at 11.
1476943;1465088553;mod6;:]
1476944;1465088579;asciilifeform;phriendz don't let phriendz install non-ecc dram.
1476945;1465088593;asciilifeform;(or gossipate mutated turds.)
1476946;1465088608;asciilifeform;(gossipate - to dissipate via a gossip system - is now hereby a term.)
1476947;1465088626;mod6;so ordered
1476948;1465089359;mircea_popescu;lol
1476949;1465089430;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so i was gonna ask you, you say books got ruined by any schmuck being able to print one ?
1476950;1465089461;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not by the laser-print-on-demand thing as such.
1476951;1465089478;asciilifeform;sorta like asking when titanic sank - when the hole was punched, when deck awash, when entirely invisible ?
1476952;1465089514;asciilifeform;and yes i am aware that crackpots were able to have books printed at own expense 200 years ago.
1476953;1465089525;asciilifeform;but they did not have distribution system equal to actual authors'.
1476954;1465089594;asciilifeform;and i suspect that mircea_popescu will now tell me that 'any idiot can print and sell on amazon' is merely an opportunistic fungal infection. and he is probably right.
1476955;1465089598;mircea_popescu;would you say random wage slave with a kid in tow and a vague interest in maybe spending a week on "writing a book" is watering down "neoreaction" or whatever the fuck you'd call the line of "being an internet tough guy in the style of curtis yarvin" ?
1476956;1465089626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only to the extent such a thing will ding the snr of those folk
1476957;1465089630;mircea_popescu;have you noticed this, by the way ? apparently, that's a line ; and apparently it'll get filled ; apparently by substantially the same guy.
1476958;1465089638;mircea_popescu;there IS NO SNR of those folk.
1476959;1465089643;mircea_popescu;they're people who like to jack off.
1476960;1465089669;asciilifeform;ever been to or seen photo of old-school sewage catacomb ?
1476961;1465089674;mircea_popescu;sure.
1476962;1465089689;asciilifeform;even there, there are lines where you have 2m of air and shit to yer knee, but in some you have 2m of shit
1476963;1465089704;asciilifeform;and lucky if 1m of air.
1476964;1465089715;mircea_popescu;so far we've not agreed this is part of any sort of catacomb.
1476965;1465089743;asciilifeform;i find it to be such a thing. e.g., spandrel from earlier thread, is quite readable.
1476966;1465089751;mircea_popescu;you like to act as if "books" are the same thing ; they aren't ; mostly because you like to think "people reading books" are the same thing. they also aren't. and sure as fuck "internet agreement clubs" aren't political instruments.
1476967;1465089753;asciilifeform;and i personally gained much from (early) mr mold.
1476968;1465089762;mircea_popescu;quantify this much.
1476969;1465089771;asciilifeform;they didn't turn into 'agreement club' until much later.
1476970;1465089778;mircea_popescu;"i became more able to continue as an automaton in the fiat order"
1476971;1465089801;asciilifeform;waiwat
1476972;1465089836;mircea_popescu;you know even basic compiler puts a fucking ^ at the specific point where it lost it ? what am i going to do with "waitwut" ?
1476973;1465089892;asciilifeform;mr mold was a hilarious source of trivia re 100 yrs of usg rot. e.g., how kgb owned state dept., how prestige farming works in detail, etc. none of it original to him, he simply dug up the primary sources, best as he could. hence his nick.
1476974;1465089912;mircea_popescu;so a sort of librarian for a special interest ?
1476975;1465089915;asciilifeform;aha.
1476976;1465089929;mircea_popescu;this makes sense.
1476977;1465089929;asciilifeform;'mold bug' is actual engl. expression for this.
1476978;1465089952;mircea_popescu;makes a lot of sense.
1476979;1465089960;asciilifeform;he excavated a great boatload of lulz re u.s. civil war and subsequent smoke, likewise.
1476980;1465089968;asciilifeform;iirc this was his original interest.
1476981;1465090049;asciilifeform;he was also my introduction to the mechanics of fiatola.
1476982;1465090053;asciilifeform;before there was bitcoin.
1476983;1465090081;asciilifeform;very much helped in my head to set the permanent bozo bit on so-called 'civilized society.'
1476984;1465090087;mircea_popescu;so you don't believe the situation where a man who is not in point of fact qualified to discuss these matters nevertheless discusses them actually "dillutes the internet".
1476985;1465090109;asciilifeform;is dung beetle qualified to describe chemistry of puterfaction ?
1476986;1465090124;mircea_popescu;specifically because while it won't be fundamentally correct, it'll still be interesting, and different interests are for different people.
1476987;1465090140;mircea_popescu;ok, then by this same token you should believe "anyone can publish" improved books.
1476988;1465090157;asciilifeform;'anyone' l0l
1476989;1465090167;mircea_popescu;well ?
1476990;1465090180;mircea_popescu;look at these people. what fucking right do they have to discuss "society" ?
1476991;1465090181;asciilifeform;not anyone. and not any bookz.
1476992;1465090192;mircea_popescu;they're fucking poor, for one thing. dependents to the hilt. what.
1476993;1465090198;asciilifeform;mr mold was at his best when his articles were 90+% quotation.
1476994;1465090208;asciilifeform;and links to original txt.
1476995;1465090216;mircea_popescu;if yarvin/spandrell/etc qualify to discuss society ; then literally ex boxers are qualified to pen books.
1476996;1465090227;asciilifeform;spandrell, notice, likewise :
1476997;1465090229;asciilifeform;is a TRANSLATOR
1476998;1465090230;mircea_popescu;so what if he does ? he ~is~ not blueblooded.
1476999;1465090252;asciilifeform;possibly not world's best, but is the one willing to tell me about the emperor's bow etc.
1477000;1465090270;mircea_popescu;do you mind discussing what we're discussing rather than what you're discussing ?
1477001;1465090277;asciilifeform;it is pertinent
1477002;1465090280;mircea_popescu;how ?
1477003;1465090295;asciilifeform;they dun need to be 'blue blood' or whatever, because they are bringing to me pieces from archaeological dig
1477004;1465090299;asciilifeform;can be mules, for all i care.
1477005;1465090318;asciilifeform;or truffle pig, if you prefer.
1477006;1465090326;mircea_popescu;they're plaintext pieces.
1477007;1465090333;asciilifeform;that i would not otherwise encounter.
1477008;1465090341;mircea_popescu;how is this supposed to work, "waiter can be as dirty as he pleases, not like he's the cook" ?
1477009;1465090350;mircea_popescu;what YOU would do dun matter one wit.
1477010;1465090371;asciilifeform;in so much as q concerned my appetites, it did.
1477011;1465090381;mircea_popescu;the fact remains random married derp who has to earn his daily bread has no right and no qualification to criticise society.
1477012;1465090420;asciilifeform;and he has no dirigible! the nerve!
1477013;1465090422;mircea_popescu;sooner or later it'll come back to "oh, you don't seriously mean to kill my children!111"
1477014;1465090426;mircea_popescu;well ?
1477015;1465090480;asciilifeform;i know nothing of spandrell's doom - perhaps he is raising his children in a madrassa, where they have perfect marks in shaheed belt preparation.
1477016;1465090492;asciilifeform;and will meet 777 virgins at 17.
1477017;1465090510;asciilifeform;and perhaps not.
1477018;1465090526;mircea_popescu;the fact remains that either you agree EVERYONE writing as many books as humanly possible is really a benefit for books, somehow (cuz you get access to supposedly valuable whatever the fuck you wouldn't have otherwise) ; or else you agree random internet dude picking up the web mantle and derping about how "the cathedral" sucks is really fucking up the work of the actual good men involved in tearing that shit down.
1477019;1465090531;mircea_popescu;there isn't a way inside here, is there ?
1477020;1465090545;asciilifeform;i dun see this dichotomy.
1477021;1465090548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this "nobody on the internet knows you're a dog" does not excuse any dogs.
1477022;1465090562;asciilifeform;it excuses dog who gets results.
1477023;1465090569;asciilifeform;and no others.
1477024;1465090571;mircea_popescu;does not, no.
1477025;1465090576;mircea_popescu;"my gpg works" does not excuse gpg.
1477026;1465090606;asciilifeform;fact is, until i learn cn myself, spandrell's me man for cn.
1477027;1465090616;asciilifeform;until mircea_popescu learns it and replaces him. etc
1477028;1465090624;mircea_popescu;well, and until i learn stupid myself, dickens' my man for stupid.
1477029;1465090639;asciilifeform;'in the great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale' -- my grandfather
1477030;1465090655;mircea_popescu;so then therefore we agree that more books being published is the best thing that ever happened for the book.
1477031;1465090660;asciilifeform;nope.
1477032;1465090662;mircea_popescu;it also killed it, but that's just a bad coincidence.
1477033;1465090671;mircea_popescu;hey, you can't special plead. you gotta argue to mechanism.
1477034;1465090677;asciilifeform;talented truffle pig != rando shit vulture.
1477035;1465090685;asciilifeform;mechanism is that he finds the trufflez.
1477036;1465090689;asciilifeform;what other do i need ?
1477037;1465090691;mircea_popescu;so far this difference is entirely in eye of youholder.
1477038;1465090715;asciilifeform;it is, and it would appear that we are beholding somewhat different inputs ?
1477039;1465090741;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu's intel inform him that spandrell's translations are in fact no translations at all and he pulled it all from his thumb ? or what.
1477040;1465090755;mircea_popescu;well, if it's all in eye of beholder, then books ~can't be ruined~.
1477041;1465090759;mircea_popescu;cuz it's not about what they are.
1477042;1465090763;asciilifeform;books can be buried.
1477043;1465090768;asciilifeform;and have been.
1477044;1465090782;asciilifeform;hence why i pinch my nose and hear out the scavengers.
1477045;1465090789;mircea_popescu;and what, blog articles can't ?
1477046;1465090792;mircea_popescu;lol, we've seen it done.
1477047;1465090795;asciilifeform;sure!
1477048;1465090797;asciilifeform;anything can be.
1477049;1465090805;mircea_popescu;so then how did this become some sort of argument.
1477050;1465090816;asciilifeform;which this
1477051;1465090828;mircea_popescu;"x can be burried" "so can y" "anything can be" "Then why bring it up"
1477052;1465090874;asciilifeform;detail re books is that at one point there was a certain 'proof of work' implicit in getting the thing on the market.
1477053;1465090886;asciilifeform;whereas now there is ~not.
1477054;1465090893;asciilifeform;and it is approx. like the situation of blog.
1477055;1465090919;mircea_popescu;i see not the difference. before, you had to get permission from authority to publish ; then, you had to get enough money / promise of sales together ; finally, you had to have a "following".
1477056;1465090923;asciilifeform;'proof of work' did not prevent snow jobs (consider steven j gould's snow job targeted at 'bell curve', say, or 1,001 other examples)
1477057;1465090926;asciilifeform;but it was EXPENSIVE
1477058;1465090935;mircea_popescu;seems scarcely any difference. the pow such as it was, always was some social capital, and not much at that.
1477059;1465090939;asciilifeform;and required dedicated, usually known, fella with axe to grind
1477060;1465090951;mircea_popescu;neither's true, no.
1477061;1465091013;mircea_popescu;let's approach this from a different angle.
1477062;1465091027;asciilifeform;hanno bock did his thing for the cost of a glass of schnapps or whatever. whereas in, say, 100 yrs ago, he and i would both have to pay for typesetting etc.
1477063;1465091042;mircea_popescu;to any human activity that's fragmentary and incomplete (such as writing, whatever the form), two fundamental approaches may be applied.
1477064;1465091056;mircea_popescu;the idiotic one, and also the historical loser, is to reject anything imperfect, and hold out.
1477065;1465091072;mircea_popescu;the smart one, and also the historical winner, is to accept anything not-entirely-shitty, and let it sort itself.
1477066;1465091105;mircea_popescu;now, as per the former, you'd have to forbid anyone from writing anything about "neoreaction" because i dunno, they're clouding out the true truth as found on your blog.
1477067;1465091118;mircea_popescu;historically, they tried to control commentary on the bible, for it distracted from bible study.
1477068;1465091126;mircea_popescu;but as per the latter... just fucking write, who cares.
1477069;1465091133;mircea_popescu;you can't well mix these.
1477070;1465091185;asciilifeform;i'm with the latter. but also observed that 'resistance of the medium' is a thing, and that if cranking out crapolade costs 0, then the most prolix idiot is winner.
1477071;1465091193;mircea_popescu;is he ?
1477072;1465091195;asciilifeform;and will eventually bury the universe in shit.
1477073;1465091230;mircea_popescu;i dunno man, always takes more to write than it takes to not read.
1477074;1465091237;asciilifeform;consider something as well-known as the death of email.
1477075;1465091252;mircea_popescu;i just used it.
1477076;1465091253;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: shannonizers.
1477077;1465091260;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu does not use email, he uses whitelistmail.
1477078;1465091266;asciilifeform;whereas once there was such a thing as email.
1477079;1465091307;asciilifeform;you can choose to call whitemail 'email', aesthetic preference i guess, but it is NOT same.
1477080;1465091338;mircea_popescu;i do not believe i ever found myself in this "email" situation. not ever. trilema comments have been a shocking exception, but otherwise
1477081;1465091358;mircea_popescu;a) i never participated in groups where open address was the norm and b) you'd have to go through filters to get to me.
1477082;1465091364;asciilifeform;i did, at various times, as a very heavy cost of this 'earning bread' thing.
1477083;1465091377;asciilifeform;in my, as mircea_popescu called it, 'countereconomic rathole'
1477084;1465091378;mircea_popescu;seems more a mark of poverty than anything really.
1477085;1465091381;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1477086;1465091398;mircea_popescu;so then what "death of email". like "Death of lice", oh honey, what ever happened to all the lice.
1477087;1465091404;mircea_popescu;"we moved up in the world."
1477088;1465091411;asciilifeform;nope. death of fuck-strangers-but-no-syphilis.
1477089;1465091418;asciilifeform;it's a thing.
1477090;1465091420;asciilifeform;(was a thing.)
1477091;1465091423;mircea_popescu;dun think so.
1477092;1465091442;asciilifeform;there was a time when derps and derpfarmers were not given net pipes.
1477093;1465091455;asciilifeform;had to pollute the backs of newspapers instead.
1477094;1465091481;mircea_popescu;they're not really given netpipes now, either. gotta pollute windows and forums and whatnot.
1477095;1465091494;asciilifeform;and the ruins of email.
1477096;1465091504;asciilifeform;i have a box that gets 400+ pieces of shit every day.
1477097;1465091508;asciilifeform;i clean it manually.
1477098;1465091522;asciilifeform;because cannot afford 1 false positive.
1477099;1465091538;mircea_popescu;sounds like a stupid set-up.
1477100;1465091545;asciilifeform;noshit?
1477101;1465091549;asciilifeform;but what is alternative ?
1477102;1465091554;mircea_popescu;same thing qntra does.
1477103;1465091562;asciilifeform;which is ?
1477104;1465091566;mircea_popescu;or phuctor. link to here.
1477105;1465091574;asciilifeform;l0l aaaaaahaha suuuuure.
1477106;1465091584;mircea_popescu;what are you, a 17yo ?
1477107;1465091588;asciilifeform;it's a bloody fiat co.
1477108;1465091593;mircea_popescu;tough ?
1477109;1465091611;mircea_popescu;"you want to get through, this is how you get through. you don't want to get through, here's an unsupervised mailbox"
1477110;1465091650;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has NEVER been in a weak negotiating position in his whole life, has he.
1477111;1465091662;mircea_popescu;how would i be ?
1477112;1465091684;mircea_popescu;this is like "mp has never been married". you gotta CONSENT to be married!
1477113;1465091708;mircea_popescu;exact mirror of the "what's derp to do" from earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476883
1477114;1465091708;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 16:33 asciilifeform: i can see it from dirigible, firing warning hbomb shots across potomac river. but from captive derp ?
1477115;1465091712;asciilifeform;say his psi superpowers quit.
1477116;1465091722;mircea_popescu;what ever happened to "you want it signed, 5bn goes there. else take a hike"
1477117;1465091734;asciilifeform;and fill stomach with what ?
1477118;1465091746;mircea_popescu;people have died before.
1477119;1465091771;asciilifeform;'no mr bond! we expect you to die!1111'
1477120;1465091773;asciilifeform;(tm) (r)
1477121;1465091788;mircea_popescu;civilised, eh ?
1477122;1465091799;asciilifeform;aha. he had asked 'whaddayaexpectmetodo'
1477123;1465091807;mircea_popescu;"everything i do is me being in a '''weak''' negotiating position. it's my sexual fantasy."
1477124;1465091848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu did not grow up as the monkey in the puzzle and beating experiment. which is all very good for him.
1477125;1465091852;mircea_popescu;what you call "a weak negotiating position" i call being a woman. you're supposed to take it up the ass ; that's the design.
1477126;1465091862;mircea_popescu;whenever you get bored of that design... stop.
1477127;1465092026;asciilifeform;once upon a time, mircea_popescu met a cabbie and gave him a broomstick. but original legend did not tell us that he also gave him a 1941 nagan, complete with 'tula' and red star, loaded with 1 round, and the learned man said to the cabbie, 'when you get bored of sitting on the broomstick, here - you can stop'
1477128;1465092066;mircea_popescu;can one even kill himself with a nagant ? ain't it too long ?
1477129;1465092090;asciilifeform;http://i2.guns.ru/forums/icons/forum_pictures/005932/5932881.jpg
1477130;1465092118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu was prolly thinking of a mosin.
1477131;1465092130;mircea_popescu;ah
1477132;1465092140;asciilifeform;(same frenchman involved in both)
1477133;1465092276;mircea_popescu;the irony of all time being that all these schmucks running around enacting this damsel in distress fantasy "oh noes i'm in a WEAK NEGOTIATING POSITION" are all working class stiffs with absolutely nothing to look for anyway, and that in the best case.
1477134;1465092302;mircea_popescu;"oh, i gotta take college debt on, i'm in a weak negotiating position. otherwise i don't get to my bright fucking future".
1477135;1465092319;mircea_popescu;it's never you know, i'm the lord of aquitanie, here lost in fucking coventry and i want to go back home.
1477136;1465092328;asciilifeform;this is funny today, because there is no 'bright fyoootoor of communism' and it is obvious to a sea slug
1477137;1465092330;mircea_popescu;no, it's alweays "if i do really well maybe I WILL BE". you'll be what, exactly.
1477138;1465092332;asciilifeform;but was it funny in 1990 ?
1477139;1465092337;mircea_popescu;next battle's "weak negotiating position"
1477140;1465092345;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it was funny in 1990.
1477141;1465092356;*;mircea_popescu has said the same thing in many languages to date.
1477142;1465092409;asciilifeform;let's revisit spandrell's mandarins. you could take mandarin exam, or sell salt on the black market and be 13333333337 w4rl0rd
1477143;1465092429;asciilifeform;the war genius already knows who he is.
1477144;1465092446;asciilifeform;because he had folks bowing to him when he was 3 or whatnot.
1477145;1465092489;asciilifeform;so if that ain't you, young cn fella with aspirations, study the bloody poems and deposit balls in this here jar.
1477146;1465092508;mircea_popescu;heh.
1477147;1465092517;asciilifeform;is there a 3rd jar i'm missing ?
1477148;1465092521;asciilifeform;(then or now)
1477149;1465092523;mircea_popescu;why the fuck would a man chose to live as a woman over dying as a man.
1477150;1465092545;asciilifeform;sloth?
1477151;1465092554;mircea_popescu;there's a very fucking good reason she changes her name and wears her hair as long as captor ordains. it's the fucking design, she gets captured and re-socialized in captor's castle.
1477152;1465092570;mircea_popescu;sloth huh ?
1477153;1465092663;asciilifeform;and at any rate mircea_popescu should thank beelzebub for this, because otherwise he'd be buried under pile of corpses.
1477154;1465092677;asciilifeform;imho most folks if they were thinking straight would have eaten nagan long ago.
1477155;1465092700;mircea_popescu;i can't say i particularly care either way.
1477156;1465092721;mircea_popescu;but now i finally understand why i'm mostly uninterested in having any truck with males.
1477157;1465092723;mircea_popescu;what males.
1477158;1465092749;asciilifeform;i thought they still had some in afghan or wherever.
1477159;1465092785;mircea_popescu;without letters of introduction from known source... best stick with skirts.
1477160;1465092827;mircea_popescu;which is what stuff like bar mitzvah etc was supposed to be in the first place.
1477161;1465092957;asciilifeform;i thought it was as proof of min iq for marriagebility
1477162;1465092967;asciilifeform;(bloke had to read wordz)
1477163;1465092982;mircea_popescu;hm
1477164;1465092989;asciilifeform;y'know - from the sheepskin.
1477165;1465093013;mircea_popescu;well, as ritual. but as meaning, it's a sort of "men of community vouch for this young shit"
1477166;1465093017;asciilifeform;in front of the wot^H^H^Hshtetl
1477167;1465093031;asciilifeform;aha.
1477168;1465093047;asciilifeform;but vouched conditionally, had to jump through the burning ring
1477169;1465093071;mircea_popescu;which come to think about... i dunno where they find these. i knew maybe half dozen 13yo i'd have vouched for, and that's already pushing it.
1477170;1465093084;asciilifeform;because it was pretty low bar.
1477171;1465093091;mircea_popescu;where do they find dudes to vouch for everything that ever crawls out from between a woman's legs is the mystery of all time.
1477172;1465093096;asciilifeform;'right half of bell curve' or the like.
1477173;1465093104;mircea_popescu;mno, gotta be a man.
1477174;1465093110;asciilifeform;man who can read.
1477175;1465093113;mircea_popescu;~= "no weak negotiating positioning"
1477176;1465093138;asciilifeform;what negotiating. father was a peddler, son - peddler.
1477177;1465093148;asciilifeform;negotiates - with customers strictly.
1477178;1465093164;mircea_popescu;there's nothing in there against being a peddler.
1477179;1465093204;asciilifeform;no? isn't it 'womanly cowardice', earning motherfucking bread, doing a job ?
1477180;1465093211;asciilifeform;instead of being, e.g., highwayman.
1477181;1465093233;mircea_popescu;one doesn't have to be a highwayman anymore than anything else. what, you gotta be a highwayman now ?
1477182;1465093274;asciilifeform;i read a very distinct 'yarrrrrrrrrrrr i'ma a pirate and yer all landlubbin' scum' in mircea_popescu's earlier observations re 'negotiating position' and 'why not try not eating'
1477183;1465093292;mircea_popescu;the peddler is perfectly respectable.
1477184;1465093304;asciilifeform;why peddler respectable, but programmer - not ?
1477185;1465093312;mircea_popescu;peddler peddles on his own time.
1477186;1465093313;asciilifeform;what's the operative, as mircea_popescu would ask, difference ?
1477187;1465093321;mircea_popescu;liberal profession, just like any other.
1477188;1465093347;asciilifeform;and then he is taken by the turks and is on a galley.
1477189;1465093349;asciilifeform;can row or die.
1477190;1465093357;mircea_popescu;better kill some turks i guess.
1477191;1465093372;asciilifeform;with his psi powers ?
1477192;1465093392;mircea_popescu;nobody cares.
1477193;1465093409;asciilifeform;finally we get to the magic algo, no ?
1477194;1465093419;mircea_popescu;i dunno ? do we ?
1477195;1465093428;asciilifeform;a victorious mircea_popescu is made up of 10,001 young corpses where they went to the galleys and nobody cares.
1477196;1465093434;asciilifeform;this is not my invention, it is how nature works.
1477197;1465093437;asciilifeform;and is fine.
1477198;1465093445;mircea_popescu;what's the relation ?
1477199;1465093456;asciilifeform;but for the remaining standing one to refer to it as an algo that can be picked up and used by somebody, is rather odd.
1477200;1465093486;asciilifeform;the relation is that we just re-did the everett's device thread.
1477201;1465093488;mircea_popescu;you're so narrowly welded to this "i will improve my lot" us quakerism. what algo.
1477202;1465093504;mircea_popescu;there isn't an algo. not something to use, or w/e. the results aren't within your hands.
1477203;1465093554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu proffers the nagan, newz at 11
1477204;1465093557;mircea_popescu;you do what you do. what comes of it, nobody cares. ideally least of all you. once you start caring, you start losing.
1477205;1465093585;asciilifeform;standard soldierly advice. but it also goes with 'trust allah but tie camel.'
1477206;1465093595;mircea_popescu;there's this moment of manhood for homer simpson when marge bakes a pie and he says "i'm just going to chew this way, no pies better be getting in my way".
1477207;1465093598;mircea_popescu;that's what it is, what.
1477208;1465093644;asciilifeform;so the only true hero is solipsist, who chews in wholly uncorrelated direction with anybody else's ?
1477209;1465093665;mircea_popescu;the only true hero is solipsist. that much is sterling.
1477210;1465093687;mircea_popescu;also why correlation is such an iffy business.
1477211;1465093752;asciilifeform;sorta goes with the eastern thing where 'tru guru!111 would never stoop to speaking with unclean derpz'
1477212;1465093763;asciilifeform;'lives in cave, on mountain air alone'
1477213;1465093795;mircea_popescu;well, the world's in general an imposition.
1477214;1465093824;asciilifeform;the greatz understood this.
1477215;1465093871;mircea_popescu;kinda why the whole "materialism", be it whichever socialist flavour is so lulzy. dude, srsly, "you've solved the problems of people" ? gee whiz, i wonder why they can't be arsed to pick up your calls.
1477216;1465094079;asciilifeform;even orwell had this nailed.
1477217;1465094117;asciilifeform;'[Hitler] has grasped the falsity of the hedonistic attitude to life. Nearly all western thought since the last war, certainly all “progressive” thought, has assumed tacitly that human beings desire nothing beyond ease, security, and avoidance of pain. In such a view of life there is no room, for instance, for patriotism and the military virtues. Hitler, because in his own joyless mind he feels it with exceptional strength, knows
1477218;1465094117;asciilifeform; that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a
1477219;1465094117;asciilifeform; result a whole nation flings itself at his feet'
1477220;1465094142;mircea_popescu;lemme ask you this. suppose for whatever reason tomorrow you gotta make a choice ; say of employer.
1477221;1465094161;mircea_popescu;now, if you pick employer A, you do reversing, and will be killed in a car crash next week.
1477222;1465094182;mircea_popescu;however, if you pick employer B, you do cooking, and will be killed in a kitchen fire next month.
1477223;1465094201;mircea_popescu;does it EVEN MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE what comes after "and will" ?
1477224;1465094204;mircea_popescu;who the fuck gives a shit.
1477225;1465094213;asciilifeform;can i pick sitting on my arse and smelling ze flowers and dying of hunger in ~2~ month ?
1477226;1465094220;mircea_popescu;nope.
1477227;1465094223;asciilifeform;why the fuck not.
1477228;1465094235;mircea_popescu;because you think you must have an employer.
1477229;1465094249;asciilifeform;btw it'd be spiffy if shit jobs came with build-in 'you will last THIS long' like butugychag did.
1477230;1465094253;asciilifeform;*built-in
1477231;1465094256;mircea_popescu;aha.
1477232;1465094279;mircea_popescu;so you're going to change careers for the extra weeks then ?
1477233;1465094312;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, is why it's so hard to get men to stop smoking. women - easy enough, show them sufficient pictures of children fucked by alligators or whatnot. men... dun care.)
1477234;1465094328;asciilifeform;this example makes 0 sense tho. if i know that martians will devour me in 1 week, i sure as fuck wouldn't work
1477235;1465094340;asciilifeform;this is sorta how 'retirement' used to work
1477236;1465094345;mircea_popescu;heh.
1477237;1465094354;asciilifeform;folks would quit and run on batteries with the understanding that grim reaper would come before dough runs out
1477238;1465094642;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, mircea_popescu has any observation re bitrot earlier ?
1477239;1465094981;mircea_popescu;nope. i have nfi how they could possibly "bitrot" seeing how the sks updates are really supposed to pass hashes of files too
1477240;1465095015;mircea_popescu;the whole "we spontaneously change keys for no reason" thing is as ridiculous as it always was.
1477241;1465097017;BingoBoingo;Question of the day is was the flipped bit a blink or a pause in the fiber
1477242;1465097867;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477239 << seems like they do 0 test at all
1477243;1465097868;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 02:49 mircea_popescu: nope. i have nfi how they could possibly "bitrot" seeing how the sks updates are really supposed to pass hashes of files too
1477244;1465097893;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477240 << observe, original was still there
1477245;1465097894;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 02:50 mircea_popescu: the whole "we spontaneously change keys for no reason" thing is as ridiculous as it always was.
1477246;1465097915;asciilifeform;mutant simply registered as 'yet another key for this name'.
1477247;1465097959;asciilifeform;try flipping some other bit and uploading. (anybody bored?)
1477248;1465099227;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1477249;1465099231;gribble;Current Blocks: 414833 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 13 hours, 57 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1477250;1465101545;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu you still have a bunch of old l0gz links on your www, because didn't massage the 'log1.bitcoin-assets....' cases.
1477251;1465101545;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477252;1465102728;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency cad
1477253;1465102745;gribble;Bitstamp BTCCAD last: 745.2288, vol: 6621.82014231 | BTC-E BTCCAD last: 727.7625, vol: 6258.55713 | CampBX BTCCAD last: 718.059, vol: 0.15 | BTCChina BTCCAD last: 755.00053, vol: 55265.16610000 | Kraken BTCCAD last: 750.516, vol: 93.62476083 | Volume-weighted last average: 751.547933812
1477254;1465102788;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1477255;1465102806;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3833.53, vol: 55249.78250000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3833.53
1477256;1465103166;BingoBoingo;Reasons Bayer > Monsanto #786 https://www.bayeradvanced.com/find-a-product/lawn-care/bermudagrass-control-for-lawns
1477257;1465105095;mod6;alright, so now (still in test) but when someone [adds/edits/removes] a ticket via tb0t, those changes are propagated to the live website along with generated graphs.
1477258;1465105132;mod6;will continue testing a bit tomorrow, and if all is well, may deploy.  the log part still needs a few tweaks, but main stuff is complete.
1477259;1465105188;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.
1477260;1465129351;mircea_popescu;eh check it out, exceptions without surcease.
1477261;1465129474;mircea_popescu;nice mod6 !
1477262;1465129632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 284 rows affected.
1477263;1465130136;deedbot;[Trilema] The labyrinth of gender - http://trilema.com/2016/the-labyrinth-of-gender/
1477264;1465131549;mircea_popescu;http://8btc.com/thread-34259-1-1.html << if anyone can explain...
1477265;1465132052;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477259 << the node links all 404
1477266;1465132053;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 05:39 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.
1477267;1465132053;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477268;1465132177;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://8btc.com/thread-34259-1-1.html << if anyone can explain... << lol google translate "Who Trilema that? This study should be doing it? "
1477269;1465132339;mircea_popescu;chinese is entirely opaque.
1477270;1465132440;asciilifeform;quite possible one has to reformat own head entirely to deal in it. becoming somewhat martian himself in the process.
1477271;1465132561;asciilifeform;also iirc it has pathologically liberal word order.  hence the autotranslator soup appearing above.
1477272;1465132876;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2016/lets-do-chinese-together/#comment-117431
1477273;1465133030;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is a winner. the euro fictions ~don't~ really compile in cn.
1477274;1465133046;asciilifeform;as i said years ago. as schwartz said. etc.
1477275;1465133083;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm new. i spent most of my life not giving a shit.
1477276;1465133141;asciilifeform;them martianfolk dun care if we give a shit. they just silently take over...
1477277;1465133146;mircea_popescu;i wonder how chinese children end up learning it.
1477278;1465133213;asciilifeform;afaik - quite fragmentarily. a 10,000 hieroglyph vocab. of a learned cn man would scarcely qualify as literacy in a euro lang
1477279;1465133231;asciilifeform;cn writing system is its own mandarin exam
1477280;1465133243;asciilifeform;deliberately loaded up on arbitrary crapola.
1477281;1465133258;mircea_popescu;oh god the writing.
1477282;1465133265;mircea_popescu;i wasn't even going there.
1477283;1465133278;asciilifeform;and that's SIMPLIFIED chinese we're talking about!
1477284;1465133285;mircea_popescu;there is no actual future for chinese culture is there.
1477285;1465133289;asciilifeform;in tw - traditional. worse.
1477286;1465133321;mircea_popescu;idish has better perspectives.
1477287;1465133352;asciilifeform;plenty of mas futuro. the insectoid way of organizing is - effective. sadly.
1477288;1465133646;asciilifeform;idish is ~dead, while 1 in every handful of live humans speaks (and might even read some) cn.
1477289;1465133823;mircea_popescu;hm.
1477290;1465133836;mircea_popescu;im not sure i know what you mean by insectoid.
1477291;1465133849;mircea_popescu;so far in any case it seems that the chinese are the people and the usians the insectoids.
1477292;1465133928;asciilifeform;meant the very specific castrated mandarin / ~illiterate peasant mass thing.
1477293;1465133935;mircea_popescu;unrelatedly : de niro's so obsexed with pacino, he had to have his very own scent of a woman (dirty granpa). you should see this thing. they manage to be so weird they spend half the movie apologizing, man-to-man-talking and etc for his eventual fucking (sort-of) this teenaged slut.
1477294;1465133944;asciilifeform;which is being replicated in usa as we speak, naturally
1477295;1465133944;mircea_popescu;ridiculous with dingbats. and oh so poorly written, good lord.
1477296;1465134045;asciilifeform;'civilization' yields bug-men and cn has 5000 yrs of practice, while white man is a n00b.
1477297;1465134168;mircea_popescu;and in your daily "i'm doing research on social media and it ends up moving the market" news, http://www.collarspace.com/details.asp?v=2416633&bhcp=1
1477298;1465134200;asciilifeform;e.g., the eastern folk are lightyearz ahead in the art of people-packin' as contemplated in mircea_popescu's 'female herd' articles
1477299;1465134235;mircea_popescu;there's an ancient ro joke/sf story whereby people moved into the past "limitedly" for "research purposes", and ended up discovering that most everyone there is... them, with the actual locals a tiny minority.
1477300;1465134265;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linked site dead?
1477301;1465134303;mircea_popescu;but that's nothing ; the case is still fresh in my mind when BingoBoingo made up some stupid shit about how a guy was so fat he used a stick to wipe his ass ; and other perverse defecation tales - which then became the ACCEPTED STANDARD of "what fat people do" according to "everyone" on social media.
1477302;1465134315;asciilifeform;aaaaactually
1477303;1465134318;mircea_popescu;this confusion of meta for literal is its very own doom.
1477304;1465134320;asciilifeform;the stick exists
1477305;1465134330;asciilifeform;dan mocsny described it
1477306;1465134333;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477297   <<< with a handy imgur album of horsefucking cartoons yet.
1477307;1465134333;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 13:42 mircea_popescu: and in your daily "i'm doing research on social media and it ends up moving the market" news, http://www.collarspace.com/details.asp?v=2416633&bhcp=1
1477308;1465134338;asciilifeform;from own travels
1477309;1465134352;asciilifeform;circa 01 or so
1477310;1465134356;mircea_popescu;hm.
1477311;1465134366;asciilifeform;$s reach implement
1477312;1465134367;a111;1 results for "reach implement", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=reach%20implement
1477313;1465134382;mircea_popescu;shinohai and a bunch of nude selfies.
1477314;1465134398;asciilifeform;it can be had from the same folk selling the reinforced toilets etc.
1477315;1465134694;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform link to this 01 item ?
1477316;1465134715;asciilifeform;would link but google's usenet archive ~dead.
1477317;1465134732;asciilifeform;i'll have to pull it off optical disk.
1477318;1465134738;mircea_popescu;of course nonsensical hysteria can just as well be periodically rediscovered.
1477319;1465134760;asciilifeform;look into sumo
1477320;1465134761;mircea_popescu;but that aside, as many people use a stick to wipe their own ass as died of fan-mediated asphyxia.
1477321;1465134793;asciilifeform;the sumo men are well documented to use apprentice fighters as arse wipers.
1477322;1465134804;mircea_popescu;sure ; different story.
1477323;1465134830;asciilifeform;similar story. geometrically.
1477324;1465134853;BingoBoingo;http://www.amplestuff.com/bathshop.aspx
1477325;1465134855;BingoBoingo;brb
1477326;1465134911;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> but that's nothing ; the case is still fresh in my mind when BingoBoingo made up some stupid shit about how a guy was so fat he used a stick to wipe his ass ; and other perverse defecation tales - which then became the ACCEPTED STANDARD of "what fat people do" according to "everyone" on social media. << ty, but that is credit for TOO much
1477327;1465134936;mircea_popescu;i honestly believe the item exists because you were bored one day ; and people couldn't distinguish between "social media signal" and actual need.
1477328;1465134994;BingoBoingo;Who knows how many fat people were helped in this version of legend because they moved up from not wiping at all thanks to stick discovery!
1477329;1465135010;asciilifeform;having seen in real life the circa freaks in question, i find it plain as daylight that they cannot reach own arse
1477330;1465135026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that part's not in any doubt.
1477331;1465135044;asciilifeform;stick existed but obsoleted by water gizmoes
1477332;1465135045;*;BingoBoingo thought asciilifeform had not seen nor believed in them. Or were they in Chiraq the other week?
1477333;1465135080;BingoBoingo;srs, brb
1477334;1465135083;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i've seen them, they simply aren't to be met with regularly anywhere i've been
1477335;1465135441;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo will be stimulated to learn that there is some sort of comic book convention going in washington and i saw 'land whales' last night in a train, headed from it to dinner
1477336;1465135654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform checked out "moron lab". didn't live long did it.
1477337;1465135677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was pre-urbit-release
1477338;1465135705;asciilifeform;the release was quasi-forced, i found where he kept it and linked publicly (it was not well-hidden)
1477339;1465135722;mircea_popescu;ic.
1477340;1465135753;mircea_popescu;sometimes i wonder if i'm the only guy who ever had one blog.
1477341;1465135760;asciilifeform;fella wasn't quite certain what he wanted, and soon after the publication, devil approached him with bargain.
1477342;1465135773;asciilifeform;which he took.
1477343;1465135781;mircea_popescu;in fairness, it's the optimal use for "his idea" such as it was.
1477344;1465135786;asciilifeform;sure is.
1477345;1465135807;asciilifeform;devil has a head on his shoulders, to an extent.
1477346;1465135824;mircea_popescu;to a large extent. 7 heads or what was it.
1477347;1465135831;asciilifeform;aha!
1477348;1465137328;mircea_popescu;in other news, kill is fucking useless.
1477349;1465137365;mircea_popescu;i want what used to be signal 6, ABRT ; indicating to the receiving item to immediately drop whatever subroutine is doing and continue above.
1477350;1465137376;mircea_popescu;this because interaction between firefox and javascript is nothing short of noxious
1477351;1465137382;mircea_popescu;but can i ? mmmmno.
1477352;1465137531;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kill -9
1477353;1465137547;asciilifeform;the others are ~useless.
1477354;1465137551;mircea_popescu;no. i do not want to kill the program. i want to force it to drop what it's doing and pay attention.
1477355;1465137565;mircea_popescu;just like irl works.
1477356;1465137601;asciilifeform;ahahahaha http://www.loper-os.org/?p=215
1477357;1465137654;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1477358;1465137663;asciilifeform;no dice on idiot c machine.
1477359;1465137679;asciilifeform;where there is no such thing as clean aborts even if author wanted this.
1477360;1465137699;mircea_popescu;ftr, since "micro atx", no, not the power switch.
1477361;1465137707;asciilifeform;aha iknow
1477362;1465137814;mircea_popescu;anyway, what's the big fucking whoop. when caught sigabort, return(6) or w/e.
1477363;1465137840;mircea_popescu;what, forcing program writer whores to procedurize sanely is too onerous ?
1477364;1465137861;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what do you do with the progressing system calls?
1477365;1465137867;mircea_popescu;drop them all.
1477366;1465137878;asciilifeform;not how it worx
1477367;1465137887;mircea_popescu;not like i care "how it worx"
1477368;1465137913;asciilifeform;carry on not caring. but unix remains a pile of shit.
1477369;1465137937;mircea_popescu;that may be, but there's still absolutely no reason it can't IMMEDIATELY RETURN WHATEVER CURRENT PROCEDURE ITS IN
1477370;1465137961;asciilifeform;the result is ~certain to be barf.
1477371;1465137969;mircea_popescu;so write better programs.
1477372;1465138019;mircea_popescu;"every stack frame can at any time and for no reason return ; handle this."
1477373;1465138019;asciilifeform;hey dunlookatme, e.g., 8ball, survives interruption at whatever point
1477374;1465138058;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you can't do this on c machine, because it has, e.g., a heap also
1477375;1465138077;asciilifeform;who will clean up when 'returns whenever'
1477376;1465138113;mircea_popescu;upon return, whatever was allocated for it on heap is free.
1477377;1465138135;asciilifeform;this 'die now' business works for sigkill because it is quite obvious to os what to do to clean wholly dead process.
1477378;1465138148;mircea_popescu;there's no difference re "wholly dead procedure".
1477379;1465138150;mircea_popescu;wipe its shit.
1477380;1465138152;asciilifeform;but in this case mircea_popescu wants proggy to carry on
1477381;1465138156;mircea_popescu;sure.
1477382;1465138167;asciilifeform;how, if you 'wiped its shit'
1477383;1465138184;mircea_popescu;you didn't wipe the program scope ; you wiped the frame in question.
1477384;1465138191;asciilifeform;do you recall my attempt at forcing trb to flush its mempool?
1477385;1465138199;mircea_popescu;yes.
1477386;1465138202;asciilifeform;heap dun have frames, mircea_popescu .
1477387;1465138206;mircea_popescu;this is a superclass of that.
1477388;1465138217;mircea_popescu;DONT LOOK AT ME! I'm not the one who came up with that bright idea.
1477389;1465138223;asciilifeform;c machine.
1477390;1465138253;mircea_popescu;there's ~no reason you couldn't allocate memory properly, c or no c.
1477391;1465138254;asciilifeform;btw ada forces pointers to obey frame, interestingly. it is expensive.
1477392;1465138322;mircea_popescu;i'm willing to bet it isn't,.
1477393;1465138325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'conscientious c programmer' is a mythical dragon of sorts, like 'honest bureaucrat'
1477394;1465138356;asciilifeform;the medium has a will of its own.
1477395;1465138366;mircea_popescu;nothing can be more expensive than this "oops sorry firefox got lost in bootstrap.js".
1477396;1465138410;mircea_popescu;try the experiment : open temp-mail.org in a browser let it sit for a day, then profile it.
1477397;1465138414;asciilifeform;iirc ff is a single threaded turd even.
1477398;1465138420;asciilifeform;was always turd.
1477399;1465138581;asciilifeform;the basic plague of c machine is that forces computation into semantic soup.
1477400;1465138622;asciilifeform;where, e.g., bignums dun exist, only big puddles of ??? that the machine has nfi re the purpose of, etc
1477401;1465138631;asciilifeform;ditto process life cycle
1477402;1465138667;mircea_popescu;it's bullshit. of course the machine has fi. just... it likes to ambiguously pretend it does or doesn't, like a lazy bitch.
1477403;1465138686;mircea_popescu;if it dun feel like doing what you want, "it has nfi" ; otherwise, if there's a virus or something, it knows them like its own tits.
1477404;1465138697;asciilifeform;see again the mempool example.
1477405;1465138707;asciilifeform;the items in question were entangled.
1477406;1465138723;mircea_popescu;if you were right no sub could ever read anything back from memory.
1477407;1465138742;*;asciilifeform slams head on desk 
1477408;1465138744;mircea_popescu;this isn't the case ; and that it isn't the case is proof archsufficient it knows EXACTLY what's what and OPTS to not do what i tell it to.
1477409;1465139184;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://themerkle.com/egyptian-dentist-apprehended-in-bitcoin-sting-operation-in-cairo << qntra ?
1477410;1465139184;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477411;1465139421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my contention is not that it is impossible to write proggy that behaves sanely under unix when catches SIGABRT or whatnot, but that the effort required to do so and the verbosity of the resulting code is beyond most folk.
1477412;1465139431;asciilifeform;this is what it means for 'shit os' and 'shit language'.
1477413;1465139445;asciilifeform;that ~reasonable~ behaviour requires unreasonable degree of complexity.
1477414;1465139448;asciilifeform;defective abstractions.
1477415;1465139498;mircea_popescu;well, pick different abstractions i guess, because the only response stavka has for "we don't have adequate tools" is coming down a gun barrel.
1477416;1465139533;asciilifeform;'lose the other army!'
1477417;1465139548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the best part of that article is random derp frothing about how "monero'd have made it impossible for egypt to be a shithole"
1477418;1465139559;asciilifeform;waiiwut
1477419;1465139564;mircea_popescu;see comments.
1477420;1465139577;asciilifeform;ah
1477421;1465139601;asciilifeform;lulzy
1477422;1465139609;mircea_popescu;it's like the derps got kicked out of bitcoin, seamlessly moved to whatever.
1477423;1465139627;asciilifeform;i thought monero was an ancient heresy
1477424;1465139634;asciilifeform;'11 or sumthing
1477425;1465139647;asciilifeform;had nfi it is still a thing.
1477426;1465139659;mircea_popescu;it's not clear it's heresy in any sense ; but the core of web-shannonizers is always the same.
1477427;1465139676;mircea_popescu;they're the same people who think islam means they get a nice wife courtesy of allah, just like that.
1477428;1465139686;mircea_popescu;technology that works by itself and solves their problems, that sorta stuff.
1477429;1465139695;asciilifeform;the 'bitcoin but no public record of movement' thing is theoretically appealing but the math was defective.
1477430;1465139701;asciilifeform;and the proponents - in denial.
1477431;1465139723;mircea_popescu;and the "punishes adultery and encourages marriage" thing - exactly the same.
1477432;1465139730;asciilifeform;i could've sworn we had a monero thread
1477433;1465139762;mircea_popescu;not really. main dev was in #b-a, invited twice to argue his thing, declined twice to do so.
1477434;1465139771;asciilifeform;funkenstein ?
1477435;1465139775;mircea_popescu;nah, fluffypony
1477436;1465139776;asciilifeform;or what that somebody else
1477437;1465139777;asciilifeform;ah
1477438;1465139797;mircea_popescu;funkenstein was doing something or the other (even more modestly) with some other coin, wood-something.
1477439;1465139818;asciilifeform;american business folk have a term, 'technical debt', for this kind of horror
1477440;1465139836;asciilifeform;it means, as i understand, 'this dun work but WE KNOW HOW TO FIX!111111 and will fix before anyone notices!11'
1477441;1465139849;mircea_popescu;well... mno ; they're not bad people, just, married to a context.
1477442;1465139859;asciilifeform;married to a broken-down husk of a thing.
1477443;1465139865;mircea_popescu;it's one of those "i'll be a man and everything else will stay as it was when i was a child".
1477444;1465139872;mircea_popescu;technically i suppose the word would be emotional debt.
1477445;1465139947;asciilifeform;the folks with the 'modest' coins always rubbed me wrong
1477446;1465139947;mircea_popescu;at least that's how i saw it ; "i ~~~just want to~~~ work on these technical problems, and will ignore/hallucinate/otherwise cope with the political implications"
1477447;1465139966;mircea_popescu;why ?
1477448;1465139969;asciilifeform;they gave distinct impression of labouring under a notion that 'our thing will be different because we can keep the Bad People out by being Modest'
1477449;1465139977;asciilifeform;rather than on account of mechanism.
1477450;1465139981;asciilifeform;heavy on promise, light on protocol.
1477451;1465139995;mircea_popescu;it could also simply be "we have to start somewhere"
1477452;1465140020;asciilifeform;everything starts somewhere. but as observer i am more interested in whether it has wheels to begin with.
1477453;1465140027;asciilifeform;and 'modest' folk in ~no cases do.
1477454;1465140044;mircea_popescu;"a modest proposal" had plenty of wheel ?
1477455;1465140051;asciilifeform;sure.
1477456;1465140083;asciilifeform;i was referring to the 'we are small and weak and please don't rape us gnomecoin folk' types.
1477457;1465140105;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm sure there were people in america who believed the spanish showing up to be a good thing.
1477458;1465140131;mircea_popescu;people have this capacity to imagine what's going on in their head is most important, and everything happening outside a sort of minor companion point.
1477459;1465140159;mircea_popescu;hence all the vomit about imaginary links between "cypherpunks" and bitcoin. and so on.
1477460;1465140185;mircea_popescu;if it weren't for trilema, people'd still derp about how bitcoin is here to save the geeks and the poor.
1477461;1465140203;asciilifeform;not wholly imaginary link, each was respectively filled up with idlers who played pretend
1477462;1465140209;mircea_popescu;and finance sprawling suspended gardens of the future where ecofeminist tribes will raise the blabla.
1477463;1465140209;asciilifeform;in very similar ways.
1477464;1465140246;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1477465;1465140270;mircea_popescu;and then they want to legalize pot. worst fucking idea.
1477466;1465140356;asciilifeform;how do you figure
1477467;1465140378;mircea_popescu;i know of no better heuristic for "idler"
1477468;1465140382;asciilifeform;seems to go pretty well with the 'dope'em up to reduce barn repair cost' program
1477469;1465140404;mircea_popescu;myeah, in that sense i guess.
1477470;1465140410;asciilifeform;observe how nobody's about to legalize the performance dopes.
1477471;1465140426;mircea_popescu;there also isn't such a thing.
1477472;1465140487;*;asciilifeform not mega-expert on dopes but is aware that certain types bring about excitability and amplify existing inclinations; others - torpor, lethargy, and a sort of living death
1477473;1465140513;asciilifeform;see thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-25#808005
1477474;1465140513;a111;Logged on 2014-08-25 03:08 asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
1477475;1465140537;mircea_popescu;let's put it this way : the most stimulants can do for you is stimulate ; but on the long term they still debalance.
1477476;1465140544;asciilifeform;we had this thread also.
1477477;1465140547;asciilifeform;elementarily true.
1477478;1465140549;mircea_popescu;and the principal problem of exceptional people is that they have trouble keeping balance.
1477479;1465140560;mircea_popescu;not that they're not getting enough done in 5 minutes.
1477480;1465140580;asciilifeform;as a kind of dope user (of caffeine) i will put it differently
1477481;1465140596;asciilifeform;it isn't the 5 minutes, but 'how far you can push the tachometer arrow in the absolute'
1477482;1465140603;asciilifeform;that matters to breaking through a problem.
1477483;1465140612;*;asciilifeform brb doping
1477484;1465140618;mircea_popescu;there's much better solutions to this problem.
1477485;1465142267;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oh?
1477486;1465142281;asciilifeform;what might those be ?
1477487;1465142340;asciilifeform;'be born more energetic' ? mega-solution.
1477488;1465144181;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov i recently dug up your oldie, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000186.html , and had a thought: did we ever investigate why, e.g., 0.8+, doesn't leak ?
1477489;1465144182;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477490;1465145301;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-01#1258074 << every six month hard fork killed monero iirc
1477491;1465145301;a111;Logged on 2015-09-01 03:19 mircea_popescu: and i'm like..... mmmkay nevermind.
1477492;1465145749;asciilifeform;in other non-nyooz,
1477493;1465145753;asciilifeform;'Central to Mead's rescue project are a series of discoveries inconsistent with the prevailing conceptions of quantum mechanics. One was the laser. As late as 1956, Bohr and Von Neumann, the paragons of quantum theory, arrived at the Columbia laboratories of Charles Townes, who was in the process of describing his invention. With the transistor, the laser is one of the most important inventions of the twentieth century. Designed into
1477494;1465145753;asciilifeform; every CD player and long distance telephone connection, lasers today are manufactured by the billions. At the heart of laser action is perfect alignment of the crests and troughs of myriad waves of light. Their location and momentum must be theoretically knowable. But this violates the holiest canon of Copenhagen theory: Heisenberg Uncertainty. Bohr and Von Neumann proved to be true believers in Heisenberg's rule. Both denied that t
1477495;1465145755;asciilifeform;he laser was possible. When Townes showed them one in operation, they retreated artfully.'
1477496;1465145766;asciilifeform;i wonder how many people understand what a BLIGHT niels bohr was on his field.
1477497;1465145768;asciilifeform;for GENERATIONS.
1477498;1465145898;asciilifeform;(quoted from book review of carver mead's 'collective electrodynamics')
1477499;1465145980;asciilifeform;(mead - inventor of GaAs FET and buncha other useful things)
1477500;1465145993;jurov;asciilifeform: afaik no 0.8 investigation.
1477501;1465146015;jurov;and does it really leak less?
1477502;1465146019;asciilifeform;jurov: yes.
1477503;1465146037;asciilifeform;jurov: i have had for many years a box running said item, and it has never oom'd.
1477504;1465146071;jurov;https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/taler/2016-06/msg00014.html
1477505;1465146086;jurov;GNU Taler 0.0.0
1477506;1465146341;asciilifeform;'We are building an anonymous, taxable payment system using modern cryptography. Customers will use traditional money transfers to send money to a digital Exchange and in return receive (anonymized) digital cash. Customers can use this digital cash to anonymously pay Merchants. Merchants can redeem the digital cash for traditional money at the digital Exchange. As Merchants are not anonymous, they can be taxed, enabling income or sal
1477507;1465146342;asciilifeform;es taxes to be withheld by the state while providing anonymity for Customers.'
1477508;1465146345;asciilifeform;enough said ?
1477509;1465146372;asciilifeform;srsly the sheer lunacy baked into presuming that anyone needs or wants anything of the kind.
1477510;1465146638;asciilifeform;in more interesting nyooz, the tel aviv tempest folks are at it again, http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/6/202646-physical-key-extraction-attacks-on-pcs/fulltext
1477511;1465146703;asciilifeform;^ extraction of gpg privkey via ~hour of microphone.
1477512;1465146708;ben_vulpes;" The Runabout uses reflection to find visit methods. But instead of invoking the visit methods with reflection, the Runabout uses dynamic code generation to create code at run-time that will invoke the appropriate visit method." grothoff is just full of good ideas
1477513;1465146719;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's this
1477514;1465146749;mod6;<+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477259 << the node links all 404 << ah, thanks forgot that i changed the file name
1477515;1465146750;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 05:39 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ << files here are being updated four times per hour.
1477516;1465146875;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: some java codegen thinger the taler guy wrote a while ago
1477517;1465146882;ben_vulpes;"or from 30cm away through a plain mobile phone placed next to the computer" ahaha airgap amirite
1477518;1465146942;asciilifeform;30cm of air. desk, floor, etc. conduct pretty well.
1477519;1465146964;asciilifeform;you can also get spectacular results with multiple microphones.
1477520;1465146974;ben_vulpes;still gotta trick me into decrypting your payloads
1477521;1465147044;asciilifeform;well, sure, victim has to unsheath his keyz
1477522;1465147196;asciilifeform;jurov, ben_vulpes, et al : old thread : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271350
1477523;1465147196;a111;Logged on 2015-09-12 17:11 asciilifeform: in other news, http://taler.net << the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out.
1477524;1465147246;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271361 << etc.
1477525;1465147246;a111;Logged on 2015-09-12 17:13 asciilifeform: 'Unlike BitCoin or cash payments, Taler ensures that governments can easily track their citizen's income and thus collect sales, value-added or income taxes. Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market.'
1477526;1465147262;mod6;ok updated and fixed, thanks asciilifeform
1477527;1465148876;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: moar lulz from thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-12#1271821
1477528;1465148876;a111;Logged on 2015-09-12 21:47 mircea_popescu: http://grothoff.org/christian/grothoff.jpg << this fellow specifically.
1477529;1465149795;ben_vulpes;yeah, i recall
1477530;1465149817;ben_vulpes;meanwhile france is usg because if yer not with us yer against us (tm) (r) ?
1477531;1465150233;asciilifeform;which france ?
1477532;1465150272;asciilifeform;and yes, who is not with us - is either against us, or furniture. this is elementary.
1477533;1465150320;*;asciilifeform bbl - meat.
1477534;1465153695;shinohai;http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/5/11861924/jacob-appelbaum-sexual-mistreatment-assault-allegations
1477535;1465154404;mircea_popescu;who's that again ?
1477536;1465154698;shinohai;One of the tor project developers.
1477537;1465154747;shinohai;Think he wrote some Snowden articles or somesuch iirc
1477538;1465154909;mircea_popescu;aok
1477539;1465157524;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477534 << lel and the moron thought he'd actually collect his reward (what?) for faithfully fellating usg, censoring the docs
1477540;1465157524;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 19:08 shinohai: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/5/11861924/jacob-appelbaum-sexual-mistreatment-assault-allegations
1477541;1465158276;BingoBoingo;Aha, useful patsy must hang too when milked of useful
1477542;1465160352;diana_coman;$rated vtheimpaler_
1477543;1465160352;deedbot;diana_coman has not rated vtheimpaler_.
1477544;1465160400;diana_coman;$rate vtheimpaler_ 1 New to Eulora.
1477545;1465160400;deedbot;vtheimpaler_ is not registered in WoT.
1477546;1465161066;diana_coman;$rate vtheimpaler 1 New to Eulora.
1477547;1465161070;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a7e1cf0b-9e3b-4145-b523-4df99a169a42/
1477548;1465161098;diana_coman;$v 22C0C9ACD2803BFDF649765D343E0635BEF88579DB1F9029D08B33E3DE1C16AE
1477549;1465161098;deedbot;diana_coman rated vtheimpaler 1 << New to Eulora.
1477550;1465163080;mircea_popescu;$key vtheimpaler
1477551;1465163083;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/300a6b9d-9017-4637-a1d0-c9732ac6a088/
1477552;1465163514;oglafbot;http://oglaf.com/incubus/
1477553;1465163520;oglafbot;'nick BingoBoingo
1477554;1465163528;deedbot;[Qntra] Egyptian Dentist Arrested For Having Money - http://qntra.net/2016/06/egyptian-dentist-arrested-for-having-money/
1477555;1465163530;mircea_popescu;lol!
1477556;1465163584;mircea_popescu;that article is jus' perfect lol
1477557;1465163600;BingoBoingo;ty
1477558;1465163611;BingoBoingo;;;later tell asciilifeform Story qntra'd
1477559;1465163612;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477560;1465163667;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477486 << you just calm the fuck down and load the problem in head. if it's an actual blocking thing you just naturally stop sleeping until it's resolved ; if not, head goes on into a sub thinking about it ; which will eventually return with the results. this is how most trilema articles are written.
1477561;1465163667;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 15:58 asciilifeform: what might those be ?
1477562;1465164128;deedbot;[Trilema] Aveam niste case... - http://trilema.com/2016/aveam-niste-case/
1477563;1465164198;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477510 << still depends on chosen ciphertexts.
1477564;1465164198;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 17:10 asciilifeform: in more interesting nyooz, the tel aviv tempest folks are at it again, http://m.cacm.acm.org/magazines/2016/6/202646-physical-key-extraction-attacks-on-pcs/fulltext
1477565;1465164818;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477560 << and if the problem is 5-10% too big for your head?
1477566;1465164819;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 21:54 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477486 << you just calm the fuck down and load the problem in head. if it's an actual blocking thing you just naturally stop sleeping until it's resolved ; if not, head goes on into a sub thinking about it ; which will eventually return with the results. this is how most trilema articles are written.
1477567;1465164846;asciilifeform;perhaps mircea_popescu doesn't deal in such.
1477568;1465164850;asciilifeform;but i do.
1477569;1465164855;asciilifeform;every day.
1477570;1465164954;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477563 << merely ~known~ ciphertexts also work.
1477571;1465164954;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 22:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477510 << still depends on chosen ciphertexts.
1477572;1465165009;*;asciilifeform bbl, phood 
1477573;1465165307;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing ; my head acordions.
1477574;1465165351;mircea_popescu;and "known" is not much of a merely.
1477575;1465173514;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/06/nsa-snowden-docs-grow.jpg << in other lulz
1477576;1465177275;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1477577;1465177279;gribble;Current Blocks: 414982 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1477578;1465178127;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1477579;1465178132;gribble;Current Blocks: 414984 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 311 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 20 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1477580;1465178562;shinohai;http://www.pcmag.com/news/344995/attackers-break-into-mark-zuckerbergs-twitter-pinterest   <<< LOLOL
1477581;1465179170;BingoBoingo;shinohai: You know a better place to drop that link...
1477582;1465179231;shinohai;I wasn't sure it was lulzy enough, but may do a brief writeup before gf gets here.
1477583;1465179388;BingoBoingo;Social media fucks zuck can be te title
1477584;1465180073;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/PhX
1477585;1465181447;BingoBoingo;ty
1477586;1465181594;shinohai;Also follow up Re: Jacob Applebaum https://web.archive.org/web/20160604002034/https://ioerrror.github.io/jacobappelbaum.net/
1477587;1465184000;deedbot;[Qntra] Zuck's Social Media Accounts Fucked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/zucks-social-media-accounts-fucked/
1477588;1465186642;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/llKbb << Up on Mount Lol
1477589;1465188992;BingoBoingo;Some China from the mines: The father sat reflecting on how much joy his two sons brought to him during the year. He decided to buy them both the present of their choice this holiday season. When he asked his older boy what he would like, the son replied, “Oh boy, I would like so many things. Maybe a bicycle, or new skis, or skin diving equipment. I wish I would have them all, but any one would make me happy.”
1477590;1465188992;BingoBoingo;That was fine with the father, he now had some good choices. Next, he turned to his younger son, who was only eight years old. The boy envied his brother for all the games he could play and all of the sports he could do so well. When asked what he would like, he made one simple request. “I would like a box of Tampax Tampons.” The father was shocked, “What in the world do you want a box of tampons for?” he demanded angrily. The po
1477591;1465188993;BingoBoingo;or boy, not knowing he had said something wrong, answered, “With Tampax, you can swim, ski, sky dive, horseback ride and play any sport you want.”
1477592;1465221988;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1477593;1465222004;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 582.99, vol: 4393.69972203 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 574.0, vol: 4919.28234 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 585.02, vol: 24067.8588035 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 555.0, vol: 0.77274996 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 590.267587, vol: 40758.68420000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 865.37277869 | Volume-weighted last average: 587.017837765
1477594;1465225302;asciilifeform;'Hey there! My name is Jacob Appelbaum. I'm pretty famous for stealing other people's research and putting my own name on it. I also spend a lot of my time pretending to be a badass hacker, but actually I can only barely code. I enjoy using my social capital, influence, and power in order to manipulate other people into getting what I want. From all that, it's pretty clear that I'm awesome! However, in several communities, I'm perhap
1477595;1465225302;asciilifeform;s better known for my abuse of other people — sexually, emotionally, and physically.'
1477596;1465225304;asciilifeform;lel
1477597;1465225398;asciilifeform;and, what, his shithub key just 'happened' to leak, this piece was planted therein, usgarchive.org just 'happened' to cache the page right before deleted, etc. ?
1477598;1465225701;shinohai;^
1477599;1465225753;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Of course this is a credibility washing exercise. Why do you think they stack the coincidences so high? To build suspicion!
1477600;1465225839;asciilifeform;imho the only interesting mystery here is what it was, that was so loathesome, that even appelbaum refused to do it and had sentence of shitburial carried out.
1477601;1465225871;asciilifeform;( nobody executes an asset just for the hell of it. )
1477602;1465225922;asciilifeform;one obvious possibility is that he had second thoughts re pushing the tor chumpatron.
1477603;1465226087;asciilifeform;perhaps not unrelatedly, cryptome appears to be down.
1477604;1465226473;asciilifeform;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-cyber-heist-bangladesh-idUSKCN0YR0VN << more swift lulz.
1477605;1465228250;jurov;Qntra shares distributed. gernika: do you know how to get them?
1477606;1465228273;shinohai; ty jurov
1477607;1465228295;jurov;!up gernika
1477608;1465228296;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command.
1477609;1465228308;jurov;$up gernika
1477610;1465228310;deedbot;gernika voiced for 30 minutes.
1477611;1465228382;gernika;jurov: thx.  I have an account on coinbr.com.  Would that be the best way?
1477612;1465228446;jurov;Yes. just pgp sign the text "I agree."
1477613;1465228454;asciilifeform;l0l
1477614;1465228566;gernika;jurov: ok. will be a bit.  I'm currently in the process of vomiting out copious amounts of Rails code.
1477615;1465228567;jurov;I need the account name, and whether it should be transferred there automatically from now on.
1477616;1465228724;BingoBoingo;ty jurov
1477617;1465229150;BingoBoingo;Domain khanacademy.org banned from Qntra comments due to egregious spam
1477618;1465229283;asciilifeform;http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soorlp << lulz re appelbaum thread
1477619;1465229496;shinohai;TIL Appelbaum is a fruit not only in name.
1477620;1465229620;asciilifeform;lulz from last month: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/SevenDays/archives/2016/05/11/fbi-hid-surveillance-devices-around-alameda-county-courthouse
1477621;1465229635;asciilifeform;'Federal agents planted hidden microphones and conducted secret video surveillance at Alameda County’s Rene C. Davidson Courthouse for ten months, despite having no court warrant. The surveillance operation was part of an investigation into alleged bid rigging at foreclosed property auctions where thousands of houses and apartment buildings were sold by banks.'
1477622;1465231270;asciilifeform;moar american l0ltr0n1cs, http://www.courierpostonline.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/06/06/man-sued-30k-over-40-printer-he-sold-craigslist/85478168
1477623;1465231301;asciilifeform;'What the 66-year-old Massachusetts man didn't know then is that he would spend the next 6 ½ years embroiled in a complicated and confusing legal dispute in Indiana over that printer, which, according to its buyer, was broken. He would find himself liable for about $30,000 in damages. He would pay a lawyer at least $12,000 in his battle to escape the legal mess. And it all started with a piece of hardware he sold online for about $4
1477624;1465231301;asciilifeform;0 in 2009. With shipping and other costs, the total was less than $75, according to court records. The printer's buyer was Gersh Zavodnik, a 54-year-old Indianapolis man known to many in the legal community as a frequent lawsuit filer who also represents himself in court. The Indiana Supreme Court said the "prolific, abusive litigant" has brought dozens of lawsuits against individuals and businesses, often asking for astronomical dam
1477625;1465231302;asciilifeform;ages. Most, according to court records, involve online sales and transactions.'
1477626;1465231499;shinohai;Wonder if he has ever sued a hooker from clist because her snatch wasn't tight enough.
1477627;1465234867;deedbot;[Qntra] VK Falls To Peace - http://qntra.net/2016/06/vk-falls-to-peace/
1477628;1465235211;shinohai;Peace is a busy I guy, I do say.
1477629;1465235433;shinohai;http://bcoin.io/browser.html   <<< ridiculous app of the day
1477630;1465235674;trinque;Please do not abuse the ws->tcp proxy. << what could go wrong
1477631;1465237365;asciilifeform;'This will create a real full node in your browser: your browser will connect to the p2p network and do all of the block verification/serving.' << l0l suuuure.
1477632;1465237504;shinohai;And ... i got banned for making > 20 requests to browser.bitcoin.io
1477633;1465237529;shinohai;*browser.bcoin.io
1477634;1465237535;asciilifeform;win.
1477635;1465237652;shinohai;ec2-52-10-144-121.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com  - what a surprise
1477636;1465238271;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/oracle-whistleblower-suit-raises-questions-over-cloud-accounting-n586276 << possible qntralulz
1477637;1465238272;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477638;1465238302;asciilifeform;'Blackburn's lawsuit accuses Oracle management of pushing her to "fit square data into round holes" to make Oracle's cloud services' results look better. She alleges that her bosses instructed her to add millions of dollars of accruals for expected business "with no concrete or foreseeable billing to support the numbers."'
1477639;1465239026;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/PxH
1477640;1465239026;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477641;1465239465;deedbot;[Qntra] Africa Travel Entrepreneur Arrested - http://qntra.net/2016/06/africa-travel-entrepreneur-arrested/
1477642;1465241925;trinque;forgot category "Altcoins"
1477643;1465242935;jurov;russia ftw! http://www.spletnik.ru/buzz/showbiz/67701-valeriya-tizer-telo-khochet-lyubvi.html
1477644;1465243344;BingoBoingo;lol
1477645;1465243716;asciilifeform;lel does jurov regularly read trashy ru tabloidz ??
1477646;1465243886;jurov;no i have some russians on fb that do.. some stuff they dredge up is so funny
1477647;1465243900;asciilifeform;i have nfi what is interesting re the linked piece
1477648;1465244029;jurov;she looks pretty.. used
1477649;1465244040;asciilifeform;noshit
1477650;1465244083;jurov;on another day, from a discussion whether one should come home to moscow: ну да. Баня, шашлык, фистинг
1477651;1465244093;asciilifeform;l0l
1477652;1465244817;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1477653;1465244822;gribble;Current Blocks: 415113 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 182 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1477654;1465245103;trinque;til "fisting" in russian
1477655;1465245106;trinque;l0l
1477656;1465246792;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477591 << you know the one with the loudmouths in the desert ?
1477657;1465246792;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 04:56 BingoBoingo: or boy, not knowing he had said something wrong, answered, “With Tampax, you can swim, ski, sky dive, horseback ride and play any sport you want.”
1477658;1465246814;BingoBoingo;Haven't heard it
1477659;1465246863;mircea_popescu;so there's a bunch of various people gangsta as fuck at the poker room of this casino of this retirement community that had originally been built in what was a us state but meanwhile was lost in some desert.
1477660;1465246903;mircea_popescu;there's an ex-kgb ex-plutocrat dude ; there's an ex-yale ex-vc dude ; there's this dude used to run arms for rice in somalia ; and finally there's a rapper dude.
1477661;1465246925;mircea_popescu;so they keep you know, fucking around, telling each other stories from back in their respective days
1477662;1465246935;mircea_popescu;and eventually they decide to go for a ride in the desert
1477663;1465246940;mircea_popescu;as an adventure, like.
1477664;1465247003;mircea_popescu;except they're all old and inept and ineffectual, they take this "suv" that's really running on a qcw-50 engine and take no water and whatever.
1477665;1465247017;mircea_popescu;so a coupla hours later they're fucking stranded, and about to die, when this genie shows up
1477666;1465247051;mircea_popescu;and the genie's all "of all the dumb fucks wandering in here ever since the injuns figured out how to half'n'half a buffalo, you're easiest the dumbest fucks"
1477667;1465247076;mircea_popescu;"why you're so dumb i'd be loath to separate you from humanity. here, say where you each wanna go and i'll take you there, as an act of mercy (for you)".
1477668;1465247091;mircea_popescu;so you know, one goes back to moscow, the other goes back to wherever the fuck
1477669;1465247102;mircea_popescu;finally, rapper's turn. "what about you ?"
1477670;1465247122;mircea_popescu;"well... all my friends are gone...i'm so lonely... listen, why don't you bring them back to me ?"
1477671;1465247322;shinohai;(-__-)
1477672;1465247420;asciilifeform;lel
1477673;1465247429;BingoBoingo;lol
1477674;1465247449;mircea_popescu;o btw asciilifeform wanna hear my inept symmetric encryption scheme ?
1477675;1465247456;asciilifeform;aha?
1477676;1465247576;mircea_popescu;select a, b and c and take N=(a + sqrt(b)) / c so that N  > 1 ; N < 2. for any message M, deflate, crc and split it up in two fragments a b so that neither is larger than 2/3 of M ; to encrypt calculate a^N*b ; b^N*a and pass those.
1477677;1465247658;asciilifeform;a,b,c,N integers?
1477678;1465247670;mircea_popescu;a b and c integers. N no way.
1477679;1465247680;asciilifeform;ah yeah
1477680;1465247688;asciilifeform;so what is N physically?
1477681;1465247706;mircea_popescu;the idea being that in principle there should exist a set a b c so as to turn any encrypted text into ~any text you wish it to be
1477682;1465247713;mircea_popescu;N is a small irrational.
1477683;1465247727;asciilifeform;yes but how is it sat down physically
1477684;1465247742;mircea_popescu;as a f(a,b,c) ?
1477685;1465247743;mircea_popescu;or ?
1477686;1465247752;asciilifeform;as an a,b,c triplet of integers ?
1477687;1465247756;mircea_popescu;yea
1477688;1465247812;asciilifeform;this is similar to 'encrypting' using offsets into pi.
1477689;1465247825;mircea_popescu;well it's algebraic
1477690;1465247866;asciilifeform;numerically manipulating irrationals is not any more algebraic than diddling pi.
1477691;1465247879;mircea_popescu;tru
1477692;1465247891;mircea_popescu;just saying, it's going to be either equations or else... "boxes" or wtf.
1477693;1465247925;mircea_popescu;that's what aes did to try and escape "oh it's just maff", "fine we'll implement control structures".
1477694;1465247956;asciilifeform;snake oil with 1,001 ingredients of great rarity and exquisite alchemical aesthetic is still... snake oil.
1477695;1465247981;mircea_popescu;right. which is what i'm saying : if you're into ditching snake oil, you'll have to come to equations.
1477696;1465247988;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1477697;1465248024;asciilifeform;but it'll have to be a) something you can actually do repeatably on a digital computer + b) based on some reasonably compact hardness assumption
1477698;1465248056;mircea_popescu;now in principle if P, Q are the encrypted chunks, (P/Q)^(1/(N-1)) and (Q/P)^(1/(N-1)) yields the message.
1477699;1465248080;mircea_popescu;and these trivially have any roots you wish them to have if you parametrize N
1477700;1465248080;asciilifeform;(we have no crypto based on provably-hard cases of provably-hard problem. we have ~some~ crypto based on lousy cases of suspected-hard problem. we have MEGATONNES of crapto based on fuck knows what fuck knows whether problem at all.)
1477701;1465248137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in order for above to hold true, N must have equal 'mass' to M
1477702;1465248141;asciilifeform;and you have reinvented otp !!
1477703;1465248147;mircea_popescu;fine. CLOSE ENOUGH!
1477704;1465248153;asciilifeform;all roadz lead to otp.
1477705;1465248171;asciilifeform;possibly because it is the one item which actually works with no ifs, ands, buts.
1477706;1465248177;asciilifeform;butyoucan'tsignwithit.
1477707;1465248179;mircea_popescu;still. N could be something like 3kb and the scheme'd be still workable.
1477708;1465248219;asciilifeform;ends up reducing to difficulty of discrete log problem
1477709;1465248228;asciilifeform;same as dh, elgamal, cramershoup.
1477710;1465248241;mircea_popescu;mno, because you don't actually have something to solve.
1477711;1465248257;asciilifeform;in ANY case other than otp, you have something to solve.
1477712;1465248257;mircea_popescu;suppose you know P and Q. ok. what now ? you can't actually calculate N.
1477713;1465248263;asciilifeform;if 1 message.
1477714;1465248269;asciilifeform;if 2+ - can solve.
1477715;1465248275;asciilifeform;because trivially 2 points.
1477716;1465248283;asciilifeform;this is again true of any system that isn't otp.
1477717;1465248288;mircea_popescu;even if 2 messages.
1477718;1465248347;mircea_popescu;i've not done the actual math, per N size, but there's entire classes of messages that "could" work. you won't get enough precision until you have MANY messages.
1477719;1465248370;asciilifeform;in practice you get 1 'yes this is an actual message' and maxint turds.
1477720;1465248375;asciilifeform;just like hash collisions.
1477721;1465248381;mircea_popescu;no because deflate and crc.
1477722;1465248388;mircea_popescu;CRC! it's supposed to be lossy. deliberately.
1477723;1465248400;asciilifeform;what's lossy here ?
1477724;1465248404;mircea_popescu;weaponized, this would fuck up say 1 in 20 messages it'd be so taut.
1477725;1465248418;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rounds P, Q to some degree.
1477726;1465248482;asciilifeform;seems like mircea_popescu is reinventing 'padding', that is, dilating message space
1477727;1465248497;mircea_popescu;well not reinventing, but obviously will be needed for any practical scheme.
1477728;1465248521;asciilifeform;it isn't magic - you can still distinguish plausible cyphertexts from rubbish, it just takes more cycles.
1477729;1465248540;mircea_popescu;yeah. but this is a lot more expensive sort of cycling than you know, hashing.
1477730;1465248561;mircea_popescu;course i guess that's all happenstance, nsa starts building long divisor processors.
1477731;1465248565;asciilifeform;you can trivially do it in any ciphersystem by shamir-splitting message into K fragments of which you need J
1477732;1465248569;asciilifeform;and sending the lot.
1477733;1465248574;asciilifeform;as noisily as you like.
1477734;1465248587;mircea_popescu;or this.
1477735;1465248605;asciilifeform;method is ages old.
1477736;1465248636;asciilifeform;and everybody pretty much uses fpga clusters for actual cryptoanalysis anyway. so elaborate 'let's zap the miners' trickery is ~pointless.
1477737;1465248654;asciilifeform;you want actual hard trapdoor problems.
1477738;1465248656;asciilifeform;if they even exist.
1477739;1465248672;mircea_popescu;yeah well, i dun have THAT.
1477740;1465248731;asciilifeform;i still can't fully swallow how there is this entire field that isn't certain whether it exists or is simply smelling own farts.
1477741;1465248751;mircea_popescu;has ~same problem as physics.
1477742;1465248758;asciilifeform;far worse.
1477743;1465248789;asciilifeform;picture if every time 'mars didn't rise on schedule' ALL BRIDGES FELL.
1477744;1465248792;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-07#1294009 << this being the reason.
1477745;1465248792;a111;Logged on 2015-10-07 13:41 mircea_popescu realises that probably no one else's light went off when alf was getting all excited about vmath that what he was seeing really was "omfg, usable molecular chem."
1477746;1465249021;asciilifeform;i find it also very interesting that all aes-like ('boxes') cryptosystems are direct descendants of rotor machines. which were known to be pseudoscientific even when first built, as vernam existed
1477747;1465249043;asciilifeform;but 'omg!1111111 inconvenient!11111 can't reuse key!11'
1477748;1465249046;mircea_popescu;it's because there's no option : either algebra ; or else "control structures".
1477749;1465249050;asciilifeform;or otp.
1477750;1465249072;jurov;can't we abuse polynomial roots somehow for proven trapdoor function? Like, Abel–Ruffini theorem proves you can't solve certain polynomials algebraically
1477751;1465249082;asciilifeform;jurov: easy trap to fall in
1477752;1465249087;mircea_popescu;jurov if we could i wish i knew it.
1477753;1465249087;asciilifeform;see thread about 'particular cases'
1477754;1465249098;asciilifeform;all that anybody ever proved is that you can't solve ALL CASES of something.
1477755;1465249109;asciilifeform;particular case can be as simple as you like.
1477756;1465249122;asciilifeform;and often you have 0 control of this when generating key.
1477757;1465249144;asciilifeform;which is why there are entire encyclopaedias of np-complete problems, but none of them have been used in a working cryptosystem
1477758;1465249192;mircea_popescu;though some material recently linked made a very good point : "np complete" and other hardness discussions aren't even meaningful here. the term refers to WORST CASE, not to average case or anything.
1477759;1465249196;asciilifeform;one simple example that i played with in the winter is 'graph clique problem'
1477760;1465249212;mircea_popescu;saying "x is np hard" is like saying "the us is rich". everyone you meet there is still fucking poor.
1477761;1465249225;asciilifeform;^
1477762;1465249230;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu gets it.
1477763;1465249261;mircea_popescu;so we likely need to re-do the hardness measurements anyway, from a crypto pov ; to use it in a crypto pov.
1477764;1465249263;asciilifeform;it is not remotely enough that problem is hard in ~general case~, you have to be able to ascertain that ~your particular case~ is hard.
1477765;1465249272;asciilifeform;you need an avg case proof.
1477766;1465249279;asciilifeform;and even this does not necessarily suffice.
1477767;1465249285;mircea_popescu;the current discussion is from a "in house algebraicist" considering his job, "what's the worst that can come up when the suits decide to solve X"
1477768;1465249339;mircea_popescu;but, that said : the principles to be built upon are exactly the "well, i can solve this any way you want" said the cracker to eve. hence, stuff like polynomial roots are very respectable idea.
1477769;1465249379;asciilifeform;in practice opponent ~always~ knows something about the message space.
1477770;1465249434;asciilifeform;the only genuine 'can solve in ANY way' is in otp.
1477771;1465249445;asciilifeform;where the space is ENTIRELY flat.
1477772;1465249476;mircea_popescu;that's the bitch now innit. that's at least what i was longfaced about earlier, "in practical eavesdropping you don't EVER care about message integrity. if your algebraic cyrptosystem is porous to someone saying "bring me all messages that discuss ALEODOR" or whatever, and then he can discern something about them - say that ALL possible forms of one use it in the negative - you're still as fucked as a three year old in a pedo
1477773;1465249477;mircea_popescu; bath."
1477774;1465249524;mircea_popescu;and there's absolutely no way that i can guarantee when drawing up the math of the cypher, that "all uses of symbol X will always be ambiguous in the space" or w/e dumb shit.
1477775;1465249537;mircea_popescu;which is starting to explain how chinese ended up chinese rather than a proper language.
1477776;1465249611;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477594 << is this the new dekulakization ? "oh, prof sanders didn't even do anything, it was black women all along" ?
1477777;1465249612;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 15:01 asciilifeform: 'Hey there! My name is Jacob Appelbaum. I'm pretty famous for stealing other people's research and putting my own name on it. I also spend a lot of my time pretending to be a badass hacker, but actually I can only barely code. I enjoy using my social capital, influence, and power in order to manipulate other people into getting what I want. From all that, it's pretty clear that I'm awesome! However, in severa
1477778;1465249627;mircea_popescu;take patriarchy white man's "house of thought" give it to some rats ?
1477779;1465249648;asciilifeform;that was the plan for 100+ yrs.
1477780;1465249694;asciilifeform;and yes appelbaum was a demolition job. but i have nfi what for.
1477781;1465249709;asciilifeform;presumably he disobeyed an order.
1477782;1465249728;jurov;i dunno, polynomials are studied long enough so that some could be proved insolvable
1477783;1465249741;asciilifeform;jurov: try to understand what 'proven insolvable' means
1477784;1465249747;mircea_popescu;jurov you recall that story with the trains and the fly ?
1477785;1465249781;asciilifeform;for one thing, you need to have the solution to a case of problem to use it as crypto. otherwise you could 'elementary proof of fermat's conjecture is the key!'
1477786;1465249829;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-21#930274
1477787;1465249829;a111;Logged on 2014-11-21 01:38 mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.
1477788;1465249833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh incidentally, node coloring! what's that called ?
1477789;1465249863;asciilifeform;and http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-23#932035
1477790;1465249863;a111;Logged on 2014-11-23 06:19 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu i was reading a circa-1958 issue of american magazine 'popular science', and guess what was in it - http://imgur.com/mZnf775
1477791;1465249878;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: node colouring. there is a whole motherfucking book of them.
1477792;1465249882;asciilifeform;but they ALL have same problem.
1477793;1465249887;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1477794;1465249892;mircea_popescu;brb ima eat.
1477795;1465249914;asciilifeform;i'ma off to anti-eat (exercises) brb.
1477796;1465250619;mircea_popescu;in other news i finally replaced a rather loud psu. life's good!
1477797;1465250693;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477600 << not altogether an idle question.
1477798;1465250693;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 15:10 asciilifeform: imho the only interesting mystery here is what it was, that was so loathesome, that even appelbaum refused to do it and had sentence of shitburial carried out.
1477799;1465250727;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477612 <<< gpg-shotgun marriage! :D
1477800;1465250727;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 15:54 jurov: Yes. just pgp sign the text "I agree."
1477801;1465251025;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477631 << popcorn popping directly in browser when.
1477802;1465251026;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 18:22 asciilifeform: 'This will create a real full node in your browser: your browser will connect to the p2p network and do all of the block verification/serving.' << l0l suuuure.
1477803;1465251068;BingoBoingo;In other news, in spite of being broke the Illinois government is about to resurrect its program to reintroduce Aligator Gar. I am thrilled!
1477804;1465251076;mircea_popescu;whassat ?
1477805;1465251094;BingoBoingo;8 foot long very toothy fish.
1477806;1465251119;BingoBoingo;Very delicious as poor man's substitute for crab in crab cakes.
1477807;1465251209;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/tyG0C
1477808;1465251231;mircea_popescu;lol "him in our time"
1477809;1465252991;shinohai;http://www.alternet.org/sex-amp-relationships/why-trans-porn-hugely-popular-among-hetero-men "The people of Brazil, Italy, Argentina, and Russia appear to be the most likely to watch trans porn."
1477810;1465255166;mircea_popescu;dude gtfo, trans porn is interesting in the same sense any other gore is interesting.
1477811;1465255192;mircea_popescu;just because people turn heads when passing crashes doesn't mean running car into wall is "a sexuality"
1477812;1465255282;BingoBoingo;Stahp invalidating the experiences of the Impactualsexuals
1477813;1465255406;mircea_popescu;speaking of sexual offal, why is it that all the marginal women ~nobody'd give the time of day imagine they "speak for all of us", ie, somehow represent femaleness an' womanhood ?
1477814;1465255439;mircea_popescu;it's the weirdest shit of all time.
1477815;1465255537;shinohai;I was thinking more of hire 4-5 trannys from backpage, ship sex vids to aforementioned countries. Profit.
1477816;1465255596;mircea_popescu;you got a better shot selling eulora merchandizing.
1477817;1465255831;deedbot;[Qntra] High Profile Likely Hilary Voter Arrested For DUI In California - http://qntra.net/2016/06/high-profile-likely-hilary-voter-arrested-for-dui-in-california/
1477818;1465255834;BingoBoingo;^ Moar sexual offal
1477819;1465257094;mircea_popescu;deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/46c02139-d44f-4d12-9eb8-03939b75d416/
1477820;1465257100;mircea_popescu;hm
1477821;1465257105;mircea_popescu;deedbot http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/46c02139-d44f-4d12-9eb8-03939b75d416/?raw=true
1477822;1465257597;mircea_popescu;trinque halps ?
1477823;1465257838;mircea_popescu;so looking at the shitcoins, "ethereum" switched with "ripple" YoY. hurr durr.
1477824;1465258039;mircea_popescu;i wonder if anyone remembers early 2015, "billion dollar market cap" ripple, millions "traded" a day and other flights of fancy.
1477825;1465258651;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477796 << i installed an altogether silent one in february, but i can still hear the inductor sometimes. mega-disappointment.
1477826;1465258651;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 22:03 mircea_popescu: in other news i finally replaced a rather loud psu. life's good!
1477827;1465258681;asciilifeform;magnetostriction is a bitch.
1477828;1465258723;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477797 << what i can't figure out is why they never talk. for srs, what does the schmuck have to lose now ?
1477829;1465258723;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 22:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477600 << not altogether an idle question.
1477830;1465258804;deedbot;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-april-2016-statement-2/
1477831;1465258993;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477813 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-26#1415829  ?
1477832;1465258993;a111;Logged on 2016-02-26 03:53 mircea_popescu: yeah well. meanwhile at reality ranch, all contact sports have this phenomena, where people age out of it. it's natural. but they don't WANT out of it, because they fucking liked it. so they become radio commentators, referees, whatever they can find.
1477833;1465258994;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 23:23 mircea_popescu: speaking of sexual offal, why is it that all the marginal women ~nobody'd give the time of day imagine they "speak for all of us", ie, somehow represent femaleness an' womanhood ?
1477834;1465259011;trinque;mircea_popescu: I threw those in; I have to fix the tape between new deedbot and old (actual deed-related) code
1477835;1465259429;mircea_popescu;a kk
1477836;1465259469;mircea_popescu;doh
1477837;1465259489;mircea_popescu;when you publish a report with the wrong month's title ';/
1477838;1465259515;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's a fair point innit.
1477839;1465259613;deedbot;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), May 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-may-2016-statement/
1477840;1465260514;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Christianity: The original socialism? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/06/christianity-the-original-socialism/
1477841;1465260632;trinque;it's such an obvious strategy if you suck that looking for the "original" is a bit silly
1477842;1465260721;mircea_popescu;i guess it is at that.
1477843;1465261005;mircea_popescu;"Hi team at Trilema How are you? I came across your excellent gaming site: http://trilema.com " << one of the pleasures of keeping a personal blog is that well... what is it ?
1477844;1465261010;mircea_popescu;teh excellent gaming site, i guess.
1477845;1465261117;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski silicon is element 14, ~silicone~ is a type of synthetic rubber ! i can't even fathom how folks confuse the 2
1477846;1465261118;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477847;1465261348;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475379 << best api would be kako log format "<whatever incremental id your message has>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>" and "<id>;<timestamp>;*;<nick> <message>" for /me messages, with a parametrized endpoint, that takes since_time and since_id that return all messages since timestamp or all messages since id, empty document when there are none, and 400 if there's more messages then you're willing to send
1477848;1465261348;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 02:08 mod6: phf: something that looks like this ^^ ok or helpful?
1477849;1465261398;phf;mod6: if you want i can spec it out for you, but that's the direction i want to take my some miniserver, that i would put on top of my znc logs
1477850;1465261445;asciilifeform;welcome back to old rusty planet3, phf
1477851;1465261464;phf;i'm surprised the bot is still operational, but i guess that's how it goes
1477852;1465261481;mircea_popescu;why surprised ?
1477853;1465261495;phf;freenode being a bumpy place
1477854;1465261569;mircea_popescu;bot's been fine.
1477855;1465262890;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475432 << i've used it, and the wukix people are responsive to feature requests. i think the source is a fork of one of kyoto common lisp derivatives, probably akcl. fwiw it's the same lineage as gcl and ecl, so ascii's "why not compile ecl" is entirely reasonable
1477856;1465262891;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 04:15 ben_vulpes: phf, asciilifeform: any experience with "mocl"?
1477857;1465263294;phf;they did a lot of work to ensure that things just work, so you put a couple of annotations in your lisp and can call those lisp functions from either android or ios. the two limitations is that you don't get an easy way to call from lisp back into native (at least that was the case when i tried it). the idea is that you write all your logic in lisp and use native exclusively as view. and second limitation is that built executable lacks compiler, s
1477858;1465263294;phf;o no eval/compile.
1477859;1465263431;phf;ben_vulpes: there's also http://www.lispworks.com/products/lw4mr.html but i haven't tried it yet
1477860;1465264117;deedbot;[Trilema] My prophet and his fascinating prophecies - http://trilema.com/2016/my-prophet-and-his-fascinating-prophecies/
1477861;1465264237;deedbot;[Qntra] Remains Of Hewlett Packard Go All In On Remains Of Syfy Franchise - http://qntra.net/2016/06/remains-of-hewlett-packard-go-all-in-on-remains-of-syfy-franchise/
1477862;1465264322;BingoBoingo;Oh, related
1477863;1465265006;asciilifeform;phf: iirc ecl is kyoto.
1477864;1465265360;mod6;phf: ok thanks, i'll work on that.
1477865;1465265609;BingoBoingo;Correction: Hewlett Packard Enterprise (TM)(R)
1477866;1465265625;BingoBoingo;Correction to Correction: http://qntra.net/#fn3-5802
1477867;1465266622;pete_dushenski;danielpbarron: cheers.
1477868;1465266648;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: ummm... that was the point.
1477869;1465266721;pete_dushenski;mod6: any timeline on the 99994k release ? looking forward to testing trb with import/export, etc.
1477870;1465267215;pete_dushenski;http://www.maxim.com/maxim-man/bikini-airline-vietnam-first-woman-billionaire-2016-3
1477871;1465267230;pete_dushenski;i'd fly it.
1477872;1465267371;pete_dushenski;in other news, "More than two-thirds of the Humvees the US supplied to Iraq to fight terrorists have ended up in the hands of Islamic State militants" which is like saying that 2/3 of chip foundries given to the chinese to fight inflation and unions are now being used for bitcoin terrorism. heh.
1477873;1465269656;mircea_popescu;dude... how can anglotards be this dumb, seriously now.
1477874;1465269680;pete_dushenski;i think it's genetic
1477875;1465269712;mircea_popescu;"woman in vietnam sells airline - check out the bikinis". schmucks.
1477876;1465269764;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2574566617575 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Evans <christianevans@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733
1477877;1465269843;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: "The old man's daugther prayed God" << dunno if intentional spelling or not
1477878;1465269896;mircea_popescu;daugthers better.
1477879;1465269904;pete_dushenski;anyone else, i'd be reaming their incompetency, but mp has own dictionary that supersedes oxford, etc.
1477880;1465269961;pete_dushenski;*reaming out
1477881;1465270159;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477876 << 'make the rubble bounce' (tm) (r)
1477882;1465270159;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 03:22 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2574566617575 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Evans <christianevans@me.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B54188EC4A02DF01D9950B337AFFDD7247743792F797E17FC7E37E6C22AF733
1477883;1465270883;mod6; <+pete_dushenski> mod6: any timeline on the 99994k release ? looking forward to testing trb with import/export, etc. << not at the moment.
1477884;1465270926;mod6;and am not positive on import/export making it in yet -- needs further review testing
1477885;1465270952;mod6;if there is a 99994, soonish, it'll just contain any fixes required for this openssl issue.
1477886;1465271228;pete_dushenski;aha
1477887;1465271560;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477885 << waiwut
1477888;1465271560;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 03:42 mod6: if there is a 99994, soonish, it'll just contain any fixes required for this openssl issue.
1477889;1465271573;asciilifeform;what issue
1477890;1465272331;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-04#1476894 probably
1477891;1465272331;a111;Logged on 2016-06-04 18:44 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 the openssl people hosed your stator script by moving their turdball without a redirect. can we plz stop linking to derps in trb autoloaders ?
1477892;1465272424;mod6;yeah, that thing you told me about alf. yesterday?
1477893;1465272439;mod6;day before
1477894;1465272653;asciilifeform;aah
1477895;1465272968;pete_dushenski;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/06/intel_xeon_e7_v4/ << TWENTY-FOUR TERABYTES OF RAM
1477896;1465273035;pete_dushenski;unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap.
1477897;1465273139;pete_dushenski;anyone used cyberpower ? or is it apc all day everyday
1477898;1465273365;pete_dushenski;15min at 400w, to be more specific
1477899;1465273422;pete_dushenski;http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32714 << one option
1477900;1465273726;pete_dushenski;https://www.amazon.ca/APC-BR1500G-BACK-UPS-10-Outlet-1500VA/dp/B003Y24DEU/ref=sr_1_3 << another option
1477901;1465273729;BingoBoingo;pete_dushenski: May I instead suggest Honda EU3000iS
1477902;1465273764;pete_dushenski;why don't you suggest i run mercedes inside house ?
1477903;1465273773;pete_dushenski;5.6L of power right there
1477904;1465273790;BingoBoingo;No, make a cage outside house for it
1477905;1465273818;pete_dushenski;or exhaust out tailpipe emissions from garage
1477906;1465273840;BingoBoingo;Nah, don't want to fuck with CO
1477907;1465273841;pete_dushenski;mercedes is ~200kW
1477908;1465273851;pete_dushenski;yolo
1477909;1465273855;BingoBoingo;But at what fuel price?
1477910;1465273866;pete_dushenski;buck a litre
1477911;1465273880;pete_dushenski;bizniz expense
1477912;1465273885;BingoBoingo;No, I mean how much fuel to make the powah?
1477913;1465273904;BingoBoingo;That affects runtime in case all the oilsand burns in a wildfire
1477914;1465274045;BingoBoingo;Anyways diesel is better generators, but there aren't non-chicom small diesel inverter generator makers.
1477915;1465274155;pete_dushenski;i'd guess about 15-20hrs of runtime on a 90L tank
1477916;1465274229;pete_dushenski;so about $5/hr to run a neighbourhood's workstations
1477917;1465274315;pete_dushenski;less heat loss, transmission loss, obvious practical issues, etc.
1477918;1465274326;BingoBoingo;Or that honda with its ~14 liter tank can also hit 21 hours, but with less plugged in.
1477919;1465274366;BingoBoingo;Exact runtime/fuel consumption can be readily calculated on the Honda
1477920;1465274495;pete_dushenski;moar decentralised too
1477921;1465274623;BingoBoingo;seriously. Also man portable for quality man.
1477922;1465274738;BingoBoingo;Instead of ports man.
1477923;1465274837;pete_dushenski;ya not a lotta portsmen in the prairies or midwest
1477924;1465274863;pete_dushenski;in other white news, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/06/03/racism_row_hits_african_internet_registry/
1477925;1465274952;trinque;They have always claimed that we Black cannot run an organization like AFRINIC (too complex for our small bird brain...) ... I have leaved [sic] through that during my 10 years as CEO both in Africa and globally. But the reality is that our own people let this kind of thing perpetuate. << muh sides
1477926;1465274959;pete_dushenski;which can pretty much be summed up by this : https://65.media.tumblr.com/c48259277b779bf1ae794ce5ae95fa74/tumblr_o7w0i51Y5C1vvj8mlo1_500.jpg
1477927;1465283982;jurov;pete_dushenski: i don't believe these can sustain anywhere like 15min at 400W
1477928;1465284150;jurov;but a desktop usually won't eat 400W either, or are you mining? have 24" CRT?
1477929;1465301634;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477896 << 'liebert'
1477930;1465301634;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 04:17 pete_dushenski: unrelatedly, can anyone recommend a 15min UPS for a workstation ? the power in this building/town is going to the fucking pits, even if it is really goddam cheap.
1477931;1465302591;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski if you own rather than rent, buying a large unit is a good home improvement move. for one thing, all electronics benefit from power filtering etc, tv sets, whatever has chips in it. for another thing, redundant power is great and brownouts a thing everywhere. not the worst 5-10k you ever spent, can just sit in the basement and make your day for a week each decade or w/e.
1477932;1465302666;mircea_popescu;oh look at that, south african race relations are a paragon for the entire world :D
1477933;1465304367;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477901 << gensets, either BingoBoingo or mircea_popescu's, do absolutely nothing until ~30sec or so after total blackout
1477934;1465304367;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 04:28 BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: May I instead suggest Honda EU3000iS
1477935;1465304398;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform normally it's a unit consisting of generator, inverter, batteries.
1477936;1465304414;asciilifeform;well yes
1477937;1465304430;asciilifeform;the battery in this case ( mircea_popescu's outdoor wagon ) is used to start the diesel.
1477938;1465304431;mircea_popescu;so yes, it filters power throughout ; it supplants short timed blackouts electronically ; and longer course ones while the fuel lasts.
1477939;1465304477;asciilifeform;nobody keeps serious battery (for double-converting ups) outdoors, they die 10x faster
1477940;1465304483;asciilifeform;esp in a climate with <0 temps
1477941;1465304491;asciilifeform;which yes, mircea_popescu doesn't ever see
1477942;1465304491;mircea_popescu;all this, incidentally, was pioneered by filming crews.
1477943;1465304504;asciilifeform;naturally. lamps.
1477944;1465304506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, it's a profession, he gets it properly instaslled.
1477945;1465304517;mircea_popescu;yeah the large lights were very vulnerable, and expensive as fuck.
1477946;1465304547;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here in the north americanistans he can get absolute rubbish installed for maxint.
1477947;1465304562;mircea_popescu;well that's sad.
1477948;1465304579;mircea_popescu;but in any case : serenity starts with autonomy ; and autonomy has some very practical underpinnings.
1477949;1465304590;asciilifeform;and my point was that you can get a ~very~ good, and almost man-portable double-converting ups for almost nothing.
1477950;1465304596;mircea_popescu;for instance, romanians in the 90s moved off the "central heating" paradigm on to individual gas units.
1477951;1465304597;mircea_popescu;etc.
1477952;1465304616;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, i wasn't criticizing your thang.
1477953;1465304622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's so spiffy about this. so now they can rely on ru gas instead of own coal ?
1477954;1465304638;mircea_popescu;that they rely on a machinery in their own hands with a commodity input
1477955;1465304646;mircea_popescu;rather than rely on machinery in state owned building.
1477956;1465304659;asciilifeform;dunno about ro, but where i live gas is piped in by the city
1477957;1465304673;asciilifeform;just like steam was in su
1477958;1465304683;mircea_popescu;also, romania has plenty of gas ; was running out of coal at the time.
1477959;1465304689;asciilifeform;then logical.
1477960;1465304690;mircea_popescu;meanwhile stopped exploiting it altogether iirc.
1477961;1465304733;mircea_popescu;also ro-ru gas relations and energetics altogether have always been cordial.
1477962;1465304749;mircea_popescu;the ru know that ro have plenty of their own ; also tech leader. no motivation to pester them whatsoever.
1477963;1465304756;mircea_popescu;nothing's nicer in this world than a russian with his balls in vice.
1477964;1465304779;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski look for 'double-converter' ups - 1500VA and up. these draw current at all times, and lack the familiar relay 'click' - the inverter is always on. they come ~exclusively~ in rack-mount shape.
1477965;1465304780;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1477966;1465304815;mircea_popescu;i suppose "power standards for tmsr home" is yet another item we should eventually write up huh.
1477967;1465304832;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'no motivation to pester' thing is possibly changing, as ro is slowly converted into usg forward base
1477968;1465304938;mircea_popescu;myeah
1477969;1465304995;mircea_popescu;romania does have a happy tradition of ending up caught in conflicts between various idiots, i'd be much surprised if this changed.
1477970;1465306100;jurov;mircea_popescu: wtf is with mpex? it's like third time new order receives a signed receipt from mpex, and then completely vanishes
1477971;1465306104;jurov;till someone pesters you
1477972;1465306153;jurov;i'm not interested to keep coinbr running on such "fundament"
1477973;1465306164;mircea_popescu;we're enjoying teh benefits of well running servers.
1477974;1465306212;mircea_popescu;jurov is something caught right nao ?
1477975;1465306397;jurov;yes
1477976;1465309451;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4222B8F63EF091A0CD257743909482862B9D7D34A7FD4E635A71C9471097BEEA << this fella checks his key ~every single day. herr kucera, if you are tuned in, speak up !
1477977;1465309499;deedbot;[Trilema] A quick word on feminism - http://trilema.com/2016/a-quick-word-on-feminism/
1477978;1465309640;mod6;So tb0t has a test plan, and is entering the final testing phase.  Will keep ya posted.
1477979;1465309657;asciilifeform;neato mod6
1477980;1465309667;mod6;As soon as we get through the testing, will deploy here and hopefully can turn attention to trb stuffs.
1477981;1465309715;mircea_popescu;exciting mod6 :D
1477982;1465309884;mod6;yeah, it should work -- it won't be perfect, but it should at least get us started.
1477983;1465310190;jurov;asciilifeform: how do you know it's him?
1477984;1465310205;asciilifeform;jurov: i don't. but it is not entirely unreasonable conjecture.
1477985;1465310221;asciilifeform;yes, could easily be his sworn enemy, praying for his key to pop, wahtevr.
1477986;1465310235;jurov;i posted the phuctor urls to his blog, and it's rather popular
1477987;1465310473;mircea_popescu;or random bot following links to "seo"
1477988;1465310522;mircea_popescu;this entire "web numbers map to people" theory is just about as ridiculous as the whole "bitcoin addresses map to people" theory.
1477989;1465310598;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if bot, it was a spiffily human-like bot. when you have log scrolling in one eye all day, ~every day, you get a feel for the zoology
1477990;1465310686;mircea_popescu;the notion one can distinguish a supervised bot from a slightly less supervised bot is wishful thinking ; no matter the effort expended.
1477991;1465310715;asciilifeform;this is a typical and lulzy reversal of the usual mircea_popescu vs asciilifeform mega-threadz
1477992;1465310720;mircea_popescu;there's big money in this, of course, and has for decades. "advertising industry" "fraud detection". it never worked.
1477993;1465310738;asciilifeform;yes, in principle it is not difficult to pass 'log reader turing test'
1477994;1465310745;asciilifeform;but in actual practice, ~nobody bothers.
1477995;1465310773;asciilifeform;mainly because it cuts into throughput.
1477996;1465310799;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477843
1477997;1465310799;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 00:56 mircea_popescu: "Hi team at Trilema How are you? I came across your excellent gaming site: http://trilema.com " << one of the pleasures of keeping a personal blog is that well... what is it ?
1477998;1465310810;asciilifeform;(can write bot that operates sluggishly, human-like, loads various unnecessary sub-pages, etc. but this means fewer clickfraudulent clicks etc.)
1477999;1465310819;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1478000;1465310921;asciilifeform;how not ?
1478001;1465310963;asciilifeform;sure, if you ~only~ want to emulate 'human reader', it is not difficult. but what exactly is the point of this exercise.
1478002;1465311159;mircea_popescu;what appears to you as sluggish is simply thing doing sluggish for someone else meanwhile.
1478003;1465311175;mircea_popescu;it pays to do it that way, stays under rader.
1478004;1465311178;mircea_popescu;radar*
1478005;1465311276;asciilifeform;i meant, what is the use of this.
1478006;1465311285;asciilifeform;what does the bot operator get out of it ?
1478007;1465311323;asciilifeform;it isn't as if the site somehow resists crawling of the usual sort.
1478008;1465311344;phf;;; later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477847
1478009;1465311344;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 01:02 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475379 << best api would be kako log format "<whatever incremental id your message has>;<unix timestamp>;<nick>;<message>" and "<id>;<timestamp>;*;<nick> <message>" for /me messages, with a parametrized endpoint, that takes since_time and since_id that return all messages since timestamp or all messages since id, empty document when there are none, and 400 if there's more messages the
1478010;1465311345;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1478011;1465311347;asciilifeform;even google has the pretty much whole surface-visible structure indexed now.
1478012;1465311645;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's just how the bot is written to work.
1478013;1465311653;asciilifeform;yes but ~why~
1478014;1465311672;mircea_popescu;because one size fits all ; and easier to have it work this way universally.
1478015;1465311718;asciilifeform;fact is, a good chunk of the traffic on dulap 80 is from traditional bots who loudly proclaim themselves.
1478016;1465311775;mod6;phf: you sent that to me yesterday right?
1478017;1465311785;mod6;the biggest pain about that format is the incremental id.
1478018;1465311804;mod6;but the rest I can do, and I won't be logging messages as this thing will drop pms.
1478019;1465311908;mod6;anyway, thanks again for pointing me to that
1478020;1465312087;mircea_popescu;sure.
1478021;1465312157;mod6;i meant phf, but you too Mr. P. :]
1478022;1465312674;mircea_popescu;i was talking to alf :) sure, lots of bots are loud.
1478023;1465312682;mod6;ahh. lol.
1478024;1465312692;mod6;my bad.
1478025;1465312840;phf;maybe the id can be optional, but fwiw it doesn't need to match what the btcbase has. as long as it's unique and incremental on your system. the main usecase is that if the bot drops, for the duration of reconnect logger wants to know what happened on channel. so can do since_time=<+-10 minutes around drop time> and then fuzzy shuffle messages in
1478026;1465312892;phf;but then i was thinking that i can periodically poll all the sources since_id=<last id for the source> and check things for consistency, etc.
1478027;1465313060;mircea_popescu;mod6 he has a point you know, simply setting an index as "autoincrement" in your sql should supply this.
1478028;1465313139;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor
1478029;1465313141;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
1478030;1465313152;asciilifeform;hello fromphuctor !
1478031;1465313185;asciilifeform;eh.
1478032;1465313362;mod6;mircea_popescu: yah, it makes some sense.
1478033;1465313370;mod6;im proud to say no sql is used :]
1478034;1465313390;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bot :D
1478035;1465313402;mircea_popescu;mod6 so what do you do, flatfile ?
1478036;1465313407;mod6;anyway, i can make it happen. just gotta ensure its fast, don't want any io to slow stuff down.
1478037;1465313414;mod6;ya. flat file for everything
1478038;1465313420;mircea_popescu;so get the line number.
1478039;1465313435;mod6;sure, that'd be something too
1478040;1465313467;mod6;i'll work something out for it. i see how it can be handy.
1478041;1465313467;mircea_popescu;or unixtime. etc.
1478042;1465313474;mod6;werd
1478043;1465313486;mircea_popescu;ah nm, he said incremental.
1478044;1465313509;mod6;well, that's probably incremental, just not sequenced
1478045;1465313525;mod6;but yeah, i getcha
1478046;1465314110;*;shinohai asked tb0t for a cup of tea, only got hot water.
1478047;1465318441;mod6;worked through the test plan after 2 small fixes, seems to be working as designed.
1478048;1465318512;mod6;gotta add one last part before we can really use it in here; get it a pgp key, register it with deedbot, then build in functions to selfvoice
1478049;1465318556;mod6;shouldn't be too bad
1478050;1465320380;asciilifeform;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkZ3GkeU9kg << l0l, mr mold - lives! no more ships, now 'comets', 'moons', ...
1478051;1465320474;asciilifeform;last slide: 'ready for self-hosted address space crowdsale'
1478052;1465320485;asciilifeform;^^ -----> say hello to new ethercrapcoin
1478053;1465321388;shinohai;God these shitty crowdsale?ICO coins are like viruses. They keep mutating.
1478054;1465321647;asciilifeform;arguably that one pre-dated the others. just took a while to fully bloom.
1478055;1465321712;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224582 http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-04#1224594
1478056;1465321712;a111;Logged on 2015-08-04 21:44 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/RoQrSFJ_M9o/ca3-nbSuIc0J << moar, for aficionados
1478057;1465321712;a111;Logged on 2015-08-04 21:35 ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
1478058;1465321809;asciilifeform;^ mr mold, apart from the 1,001 other atrocious design decisions, added cherry to the shitcake by making his 'coins' have 9 lives.
1478059;1465321814;asciilifeform;as in, max transactions PERIOD.
1478060;1465321844;asciilifeform;specifically to 'we do not want to be bitcoin, bitcoin users will be crushed by usg'
1478061;1465323141;trinque;jesus christ, the "umm"s coming out of this guy
1478062;1465323232;asciilifeform;trinque: last time i saw him on video, it was https://vimeo.com/9262193
1478063;1465323241;asciilifeform;and the man is very clearly not camera-ready.
1478064;1465323258;asciilifeform;has various strange 'darth vader' nervous ticks, presumably from years of living in cave
1478065;1465323260;trinque;take a breath and think about what's coming out your mouth hole
1478066;1465323275;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1478067;1465323276;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1478068;1465323446;shinohai;umm's and ahhs\'s seem to be common mannerisms amongst basement-dwelling scammers.
1478069;1465323452;trinque;skipped ahead, heard tripe on prediction markets being "just an advanced form of democracy"
1478070;1465323453;trinque;it's anything but
1478071;1465323462;trinque;what, everyone has the same amount of capital?
1478072;1465323483;asciilifeform;trinque: mold was actually representing sanity in that one
1478073;1465323483;gabriel_laddel;$s prediction markets are for tards
1478074;1465323483;a111;1 results for "prediction markets are for tards", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=prediction%20markets%20are%20for%20tards
1478075;1465323497;trinque;wtf was/is bitbet
1478076;1465323513;asciilifeform;some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts
1478077;1465323529;gabriel_laddel;^ this is what I've encountered people pushing irl
1478078;1465323551;gabriel_laddel;under the name of "prediction market"
1478079;1465323558;gabriel_laddel;trinque: a betting site?
1478080;1465323605;trinque;where people made predictions and were paid for them if they were correct
1478081;1465323643;trinque;and losers lost capital which diminished their ability to take part
1478082;1465323662;gabriel_laddel;The lesswrong people I've run into out the bay area all tacked on idiocies like "if someone had a really good betting run, then you would pay them to make decisions for you regarding your own life"
1478083;1465323690;gabriel_laddel;Where should I / my kid attend school etc.
1478084;1465323705;trinque;soon as someone does something that works some other idiot comes along and wants to make a religion and government out of it
1478085;1465323720;asciilifeform;the 'futarchy' folks were trying to give ye olde demoooooocracy a new spray paint coat.
1478086;1465323740;asciilifeform;i have nfi whether they're still at it, and if so - how.
1478087;1465323742;asciilifeform;can't be arsed.
1478088;1465323787;trinque;gabriel_laddel: whole thing is fucked as soon as the cultural notions of born slaves enters the process
1478089;1465323796;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: have you sailed across the river to montevideo yet?
1478090;1465323796;trinque;oh, we will find our stalin and then follow him
1478091;1465323851;asciilifeform;trinque: nobody was looking for stalin. instead it was 'capitalist' spray paint on the old popular vote nonsense.
1478092;1465323965;gabriel_laddel;trinque: didja see your quote on the new McCLIM site?
1478093;1465323974;trinque;which?
1478094;1465323988;gabriel_laddel;https://common-lisp.net/project/mcclim/excite.html
1478095;1465324006;trinque;ha!
1478096;1465324011;trinque;how bout that, I'm lispfamous
1478097;1465324014;asciilifeform;lel
1478098;1465324035;gabriel_laddel;Thanks for your words.
1478099;1465324046;asciilifeform;now if only clim weren't dog-slow.
1478100;1465324051;asciilifeform;and motif-infested.
1478101;1465324062;asciilifeform;MOTHERFUCKING athena widgets.
1478102;1465324067;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel a number of times.
1478103;1465324072;*;asciilifeform allergic, breaks out in hives when sees it
1478104;1465324099;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: one step at a time. I cut out all the "backends" and got the LoC count to 100,803 lines of CL.
1478105;1465324112;asciilifeform;more than whole os + bitcoinatron ought to weigh.
1478106;1465324117;asciilifeform;much less some piddling gui.
1478107;1465324304;gabriel_laddel;We do have to deal with X...
1478108;1465324328;shinohai;Hey that Gsharp thing looks pretty nifty.
1478109;1465324329;asciilifeform;why does clim have to use any of the native gui widgets ?
1478110;1465324336;asciilifeform;all it really needs is a 2d output port.
1478111;1465324341;gabriel_laddel;It doesn't.
1478112;1465324342;asciilifeform;which can be x or anything else
1478113;1465324343;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478060 << still with that stupid shit ?
1478114;1465324343;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 17:50 asciilifeform: specifically to 'we do not want to be bitcoin, bitcoin users will be crushed by usg'
1478115;1465324358;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well, still in the sense that the urbit thing chugs along
1478116;1465324359;mircea_popescu;ima buy him for making salami eventually. "who crushes who, bitch ?"
1478117;1465324386;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: I use the CLX native backend and will be moving to framebuffer when it makes economic sense.
1478118;1465324394;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477341
1478119;1465324394;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 14:09 asciilifeform: fella wasn't quite certain what he wanted, and soon after the publication, devil approached him with bargain.
1478120;1465324415;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: so explain the atrocious athena soup
1478121;1465324443;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478065 <<< one of the funniest things to me re webtard community was that they read enough trilema to find ancient political meeting videos and hurr durr critically at my performance.
1478122;1465324443;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 18:14 trinque: take a breath and think about what's coming out your mouth hole
1478123;1465324445;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: it just LOOKS like that. All of those widgets are just handle-repaint defmethods.
1478124;1465324446;asciilifeform;and if you think i will use scrolls that don't respond to mouse wheel, EVER, think again.
1478125;1465324457;mircea_popescu;AS FUCKING IF there exists the webtard that can emulate my rhetoric ability.
1478126;1465324468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would it make much difference if there could ?
1478127;1465324477;mircea_popescu;yes. i'd study them to get better.
1478128;1465324522;mircea_popescu;buncha fuctards, can't speak in public, opine as to consummate public speaker's performance ; never as much as owned a suit of clothes, comment the suits of dude that's been wearing one since highschool. on it goes.
1478129;1465324531;gabriel_laddel;Oh, and when I say "widget" I really mean gadget.
1478130;1465324538;gabriel_laddel;In the sense of: http://bauhh.dyndns.org:8000/clim-spec/index.html
1478131;1465324563;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wai where was this
1478132;1465324577;mircea_popescu;which this ?
1478133;1465324586;asciilifeform;'opin as to .... performance'
1478134;1465324597;asciilifeform;'never owned suit of clothing'
1478135;1465324635;mircea_popescu;uh i don't recall where specifically. tardstalk prolly. or reddit/twitter/whatever.
1478136;1465324661;mircea_popescu;maybe something awful forums ?
1478137;1465324743;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478076 << hysteresis no longer taught in schools i take it |?
1478138;1465324743;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 18:18 asciilifeform: some derp named hanson was pushing a crackpottery called 'futarchy', where you have a bitbet-like item that is actually plugged into a robotic monarch that issues edicts
1478139;1465324786;asciilifeform;nor nelson b hunt etc.
1478140;1465324806;mircea_popescu;nor for that matter fucking fractals and/or positibe feedback
1478141;1465324837;asciilifeform;like any good organized fraud, the futarchy folks consist of a few conscious sc4mz0rz who know exactly what they're doing, and a buncha useful idiots.
1478142;1465324878;asciilifeform;but i actually have nfi if that particular chumpatron is still rollin'. all i ever knew of it was from the mr mold film linked earlier.
1478143;1465324880;asciilifeform;which is eons old.
1478144;1465324883;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478082 << if you run into any more make them read http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/
1478145;1465324884;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 18:21 gabriel_laddel: The lesswrong people I've run into out the bay area all tacked on idiocies like "if someone had a really good betting run, then you would pay them to make decisions for you regarding your own life"
1478146;1465324914;mircea_popescu;for as long as that article stands "less wrong" seriously can't exist intellectually.
1478147;1465324929;gabriel_laddel;sent.
1478148;1465324931;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i also missed this when it happened, but it imploded.
1478149;1465324941;asciilifeform;in, imho, an interesting way:
1478150;1465324948;mircea_popescu;which this now ?
1478151;1465324956;asciilifeform;'less wrong'
1478152;1465324970;mircea_popescu;ah ah. usg nigger cut funding ?
1478153;1465324973;asciilifeform;the wind fell from its sails, and the cultists scattered to the four winds
1478154;1465324979;asciilifeform;no ! interestingly !
1478155;1465324980;asciilifeform;the opposite.
1478156;1465324996;mircea_popescu;that's a new one, i didn't know any other cause is even possibru. wha happened ?
1478157;1465325001;asciilifeform;yudkowsky successfully bootstrapped his inner cult to the next level, of being a properly institutionalized and usgized org, and he didn't need the public www any moar.
1478158;1465325012;asciilifeform;left it floating without engine.
1478159;1465325013;mircea_popescu;uh.
1478160;1465325030;mircea_popescu;so wait, less wrong got #bitcoin-asset'd ?
1478161;1465325033;asciilifeform;aha!
1478162;1465325041;asciilifeform;in its own way.
1478163;1465325042;mircea_popescu;and for no fault of their own ?!
1478164;1465325047;asciilifeform;aha!
1478165;1465325047;gabriel_laddel;$s slatestarcodex
1478166;1465325048;a111;11 results for "slatestarcodex", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=slatestarcodex
1478167;1465325060;asciilifeform;^ described in agonizing detail therein, iirc
1478168;1465325068;asciilifeform;pet reads it, i can't be arsed
1478169;1465325073;asciilifeform;i get briefings periodically.
1478170;1465325082;mircea_popescu;interesting.
1478171;1465325120;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1478172;1465325120;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1478173;1465325150;mircea_popescu;anyway, my opinion of yudkowsky fellow has been
1478174;1465325201;mircea_popescu;rather low ever since i taught him how to write and he... failed to engage.
1478175;1465325210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's on the other side.
1478176;1465325212;mircea_popescu;rather too like the inept romanian wanna-bes for my taste.
1478177;1465325219;asciilifeform;big fat surprise he won't engage.
1478178;1465325244;mircea_popescu;why ? twerp is writing fiction "didactically" and "challenges" the world.
1478179;1465325254;asciilifeform;serves hitler, in that enthusiastic and demented way that only a mengele can.
1478180;1465325256;gabriel_laddel;"impotence is just as much fun"
1478181;1465325257;mircea_popescu;da fuck, how dares he not humbly suck cock when the world condescends to slap him silly.
1478182;1465325269;gabriel_laddel;*"intellectual impotence is just as much fun"
1478183;1465325269;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he is already full of cock, just not yours
1478184;1465325279;mircea_popescu;then why's he going around asking for it.
1478185;1465325285;asciilifeform;habit?
1478186;1465325303;*;mircea_popescu takes poorly to false advertising.
1478187;1465325312;mircea_popescu;where the fuck was that thing anyway.
1478188;1465325346;mircea_popescu;it was some derpy fanfic wtf was it
1478189;1465325350;asciilifeform;anyway he successfully distilled the most hardcore folks from his original cult into a new thing, is moar funded than ever before, as far as i can tell, and is happily fellating thiel with renewed vigour.
1478190;1465325359;gabriel_laddel;harry potter and the methods of rationality?
1478191;1465325369;mircea_popescu;oh oh! ty
1478192;1465325388;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-harry-potter-challenge/
1478193;1465325395;gabriel_laddel;asciilifeform: wait what does his new thing have to do with thiel?
1478194;1465325395;asciilifeform;also he has some variant of harem.
1478195;1465325406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no ?!
1478196;1465325408;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: sole, afaik, sponsor.
1478197;1465325423;mircea_popescu;wait, he got ONE FRAGMENT right, alone, by itself ?
1478198;1465325428;mircea_popescu;had no idea this is even possibru.
1478199;1465325432;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: either yes or very elaborate ruse, including some folks who dun like him no moar participating.
1478200;1465325458;mircea_popescu;how does one sit atop the pile of chicks and still derp ineptly ?
1478201;1465325460;mircea_popescu;harem is healing.
1478202;1465325474;asciilifeform;maybe defective chix.
1478203;1465325477;asciilifeform;maybe not enough of'em
1478204;1465325481;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: is the "nightlife" in montevideo the ~same as BA?
1478205;1465325483;mircea_popescu;hm.
1478206;1465325499;asciilifeform;maybe if derp finds The Ring of Popescuinity in the mud, and cleans it up, and wields some of its powers, he still isn't mircea_popescu ?
1478207;1465325505;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel roughly yeah.
1478208;1465325528;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sanity is homeostasis. what is this "functioning liver by itself" ?
1478209;1465325597;asciilifeform;nothing so strange. somewhat rhetorically-savvy fella, gathers a buncha sillycon valley types, and convinces them that (in their words) 'smartest human who ever lived.' money rains in, chix put out, etc.
1478210;1465325617;asciilifeform;as with mr mold, yudkowsky 'cheated' by being a rather good librarian
1478211;1465325642;asciilifeform;he did not personally invent his crackpotteries, but carefully cut out of actual works of philosophy, translated to sv porchmonkey language, and marketed.
1478212;1465325644;asciilifeform;successfully.
1478213;1465325655;mircea_popescu;no such thing ; the dead mechanism either rots and stinks ; or else exactly immitates life - so much so as to be actually alive ; and if actually alive - it heals.
1478214;1465325691;asciilifeform;ustards specialize in exploring the borderland between life and putrescent soup.
1478215;1465325693;mircea_popescu;much like the "bitcoin corrupts" argument - harem heals. if you actually get one, you can't be "yourself".
1478216;1465325723;asciilifeform;tell this to the lunatic sultans.
1478217;1465325727;asciilifeform;who wrecked their empire.
1478218;1465325734;mircea_popescu;well that one didn't work.
1478219;1465325738;asciilifeform;so then.
1478220;1465325741;asciilifeform;harem - not always heals.
1478221;1465325747;mircea_popescu;if it's alive it does.
1478222;1465325767;asciilifeform;beyond this i cannot say, i do not have a mole in y's harem.
1478223;1465325768;mircea_popescu;if it isn't... hm. you saying basically they only visit with performance gas mask on ?
1478224;1465325775;asciilifeform;quite possibly.
1478225;1465325791;asciilifeform;not so different from every ustard's 1 gurl.
1478226;1465325800;mircea_popescu;tsk. it's unstable as all fuck though.
1478227;1465325801;asciilifeform;who also lives with gas mask.
1478228;1465325841;mircea_popescu;this is precisely how you end up with whores in the matress.
1478229;1465325857;asciilifeform;what's that
1478230;1465325881;mircea_popescu;you ever read bitter moon, say ? or i guess saw the movie, which was terrible, but i suppose still carries ?
1478231;1465325886;asciilifeform;nope
1478232;1465325933;mircea_popescu;ok, let's try a general statement. the trite rules of common sensical behaviour exist principally not because they're good or useful or productive ; but because they are banal, and in being banal are safe.
1478233;1465325970;mircea_popescu;he who steps outside of their braindead protection will encounter great power ; which, without control, will ruin their life ; in such catastrophically major ways as to defy plain description.
1478234;1465325982;asciilifeform;a la lottery winners ?
1478235;1465325986;mircea_popescu;quite very much so.
1478236;1465326016;asciilifeform;and as per the 'money and power, car and petrol' thread
1478237;1465326024;mircea_popescu;right.
1478238;1465326037;asciilifeform;most commonly, 'helpful' folks will come straight up out of the earth itself to 'help' mr. rich spend 'his' moneys.
1478239;1465326047;asciilifeform;wife, mother, brother, ... whoever.
1478240;1465326056;asciilifeform;until he is $maxint in debt, even.
1478241;1465326076;mircea_popescu;harem heals ; and what that means if it's dead rather than alive ... god only help you.
1478242;1465326122;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is probably still thinking of yudkowsky as a rich man, even if in the lottery sense. but he is actually, in effect, an employee - simply a very highly-compensated one
1478243;1465326155;asciilifeform;the infrastructural work of keeping weevils out of the stash is, presumably, handled by his master.
1478244;1465326155;mircea_popescu;what differece could it make ?
1478245;1465326162;asciilifeform;the difference that the death he was supposed to die as per mircea_popescu's observation is forestalled.
1478246;1465326164;mircea_popescu;that's a story of money ; cunt works differently.
1478247;1465326180;asciilifeform;the cunt is responding to the man being a master of an army.
1478248;1465326182;mircea_popescu;what, his mother handles his harematic affairs, as per abdul hamid ?
1478249;1465326237;asciilifeform;this is where i say that i have absolutely nfi. was only conjecturing as to why the 'ring of popescuinity' has not melted his flesh from radiation damage.
1478250;1465326247;trinque;http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/04/06/polyamory-is-boring/#comment-13604 << yudkowski might be a cuck
1478251;1465326265;asciilifeform;could be -- i've heard it rumoured that his harem includes dudes
1478252;1465326280;mircea_popescu;is polyamory when chicks fuck around ?
1478253;1465326323;trinque;says he only dates women dating other men
1478254;1465326357;mircea_popescu;that's cuckooing not cuckolding :D
1478255;1465326368;trinque;heh yeah, it can go that way too
1478256;1465326373;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wouldn't it depend on who 'wins' ?
1478257;1465326415;mircea_popescu;"This is a post about applied luminosity in action: how I hacked myself to become polyamorous over (admittedly weak) natural monogamous inclinations. "
1478258;1465326422;mircea_popescu;lulz what the fuck am i reading.
1478259;1465326466;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, a major part of the appeal of prostitutes for many people is that they already have a pimp. contrary to what polite society likes to believe, men don't generally want THAT much to do with women.
1478260;1465326474;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1478261;1465326480;asciilifeform;'pay to go away'
1478262;1465326502;asciilifeform;which is why i was initially puzzled at mircea_popescu's setup
1478263;1465326503;mircea_popescu;i've known plenty of folk who'd only do say married womenz. "she's married already".
1478264;1465326520;mircea_popescu;i've known even more folk who wouldn't deflower a girl, myself included. etc.
1478265;1465326527;asciilifeform;eh why not ??
1478266;1465326532;trinque;has no idea how to do it
1478267;1465326537;mircea_popescu;cuz she sucks at fucking ?
1478268;1465326541;trinque;^
1478269;1465326555;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not everyone that gets invited to be taken for a ride is invited to stay.
1478270;1465326558;mircea_popescu;not even close.
1478271;1465326571;asciilifeform;well sure
1478272;1465326577;asciilifeform;but why install any
1478273;1465326583;mircea_popescu;because good.
1478274;1465326600;asciilifeform;i can see this.
1478275;1465326602;mircea_popescu;you ever read asylum in the end ?
1478276;1465326605;asciilifeform;yes!
1478277;1465326616;mircea_popescu;frankie explains. "organised fun"
1478278;1465326640;asciilifeform;see, i dun need convincing, i have a pet installed, and in principle room for moar, but never found any moar.
1478279;1465326652;mircea_popescu;her job anyway.
1478280;1465326657;asciilifeform;well yes.
1478281;1465326742;trinque;and something that probably kicks on in her when there's wealth.
1478282;1465326748;trinque;asciilifeform: and we both live in poorasfuckistan
1478283;1465326771;mircea_popescu;ah there is that. harem reproduces, just like "monogamous fambly".
1478284;1465326779;asciilifeform;trinque: which something
1478285;1465326781;mircea_popescu;if you're poor she can readily be excused.
1478286;1465326784;asciilifeform;did i miss a line
1478287;1465326894;trinque;asciilifeform: the desire to increase the number of women
1478288;1465326930;asciilifeform;properly-configured petz don't cost much
1478289;1465326937;trinque;it's a reproductive thing
1478290;1465326940;asciilifeform;esp if they are 'inpatient' and share infrastructure.
1478291;1465326953;asciilifeform;per asciilifeform's lights, 'properly configured' means reliably sterile
1478292;1465326960;mircea_popescu;children cost even less ; yet it's a matter of perception.
1478293;1465326961;trinque;you're not a chick!
1478294;1465326964;trinque;lol
1478295;1465327013;mircea_popescu;here's a good idea : singular, anecdote ; plural, anecdata.
1478296;1465327036;asciilifeform;lel
1478297;1465327046;mircea_popescu;anecdata being what socially passes for "scientific studies" - enough badly curated data to lend apparent support to whatever fashionable political claim.
1478298;1465327065;asciilifeform;pretty sure i've seen this term used in precisely this light.
1478299;1465327072;trinque;pretty good
1478300;1465327103;mircea_popescu;yay, me reading trinque 's link was not entirely wasted.
1478301;1465327127;trinque;also wouldn't surprise me that anyone in amerika with a functioning nervous system has a strong instinct of "this place is done for" going off
1478302;1465327142;trinque;why would a woman's nesting behaviors go off under such circumstances
1478303;1465327157;mircea_popescu;"I have lived with them for seven months now and never once have I seen them get in a fight (I know there is way more to being a couple than not fighting but I’m trying to think of objective numerical evidence I can report here beyond “if you know them, you know what I mean”)." << it's a miserable fucking criteria wtf.
1478304;1465327159;asciilifeform;trinque: different folks respond differently to it. some - build walls.
1478305;1465327182;asciilifeform;others - ships. etc
1478306;1465327189;mircea_popescu;if your idea of "a fight" is one screaming his head off and the other begging forgiveness on knees and kowtows, then "no fights" is a completely dead relatopnship where no instruction is taking place ;
1478307;1465327191;asciilifeform;it remains to be seen whether any wall, including the sea, is tall enough
1478308;1465327210;mircea_popescu;if your idea of a fight is for the submissive to blather off, then o my fucking god what shambling abomnation is this!
1478309;1465327273;mircea_popescu;"They both go way out of their way to make the other happy, and although part of this is just that they’re both very nice people who go out of their way to make everybody happy, I think there’s got to be some love involved there too. They are engaged, working on the “getting married” thing, and have every intention of having lots of children and staying together for at least one lifetime." << california can't grow eno
1478310;1465327274;mircea_popescu;ugh lemons to fix america, i swear.
1478311;1465327390;mircea_popescu;"I once felt a small pang of jealousy when one of my girlfriends was having a very public display of affection with a non-Mike person I didn’t know quite so well. But I get upset with/jealous of public displays of affection in general, even among people I don’t know, and it’s very hard for me to disentangle this feeling from jealousy and it could have just been my imagination." << or otherwise, could start by defining "
1478312;1465327391;mircea_popescu;my".
1478313;1465327417;mircea_popescu;"one of the public whores (free as in beer) that i'm sometimes pumping was working some chump and this bothered me maybe" ?
1478314;1465327509;BingoBoingo;;tldr sorry pete, Jews can't be pimps
1478315;1465327613;mircea_popescu;"Empirically the most ‘attractive’ man in our community including for purposes of casual sex is Mike Blume, who (I’ve asked a woman or two) achieves this by being extremely polite, reliable, and generating a feeling of being very safe to be around or date (contrary to a number of people who’d allege that this is beta-male behavior who I’m beginning to suspect are just sheerly empirically wrong)." << ahahaha win. che
1478316;1465327614;mircea_popescu;ck it : http://mikeblume.com
1478317;1465327671;mircea_popescu;"Mike Blume, gadabout and preterist, has grown bolder and bolder against Apostolic holiness traditions which he calls legalism. He has denied several of our ..." apparently the other priest dudes don't think so much of him.
1478318;1465327749;asciilifeform;prolly wrong blume mircea_popescu
1478319;1465327768;mircea_popescu;it's been a few years... just as likely right blume.
1478320;1465327778;asciilifeform;doubt it
1478321;1465327784;mircea_popescu;tucker max was a "finance expert" with scott lockinesque notions on bitcoin, last i looked,
1478322;1465327791;mircea_popescu;you know, the fiction genius.
1478323;1465327838;*;asciilifeform prolly wasn't here for that one
1478324;1465327885;mircea_popescu;aww, you missed such a nice pile of anecdotes. so this guy, on the basis of a web forum populated by anglo dorks, and with the help of a "strategist" whose name escapes me atm but whose badly shaped cranium i still recall, were going to "revolutionize" and shit.
1478325;1465327913;mircea_popescu;it was a very entertaining few years, i definitely recommend the study of "fratire" to the entomologist.
1478326;1465328085;mircea_popescu;bwahahyaha check this shit out :
1478327;1465328089;mircea_popescu;"Everything went according to plan: I can now comfortably describe myself and the primary relationship I have with MBlume as poly.  <bragging>Since moving back to the Bay Area I've been out with four other people too, one of whom he's also seeing; I've been in my primary's presence while he kissed one girl, and when he asked another for her phone number; I've gossiped with a secondary about other persons of romantic interest
1478328;1465328089;mircea_popescu;and accepted his offer to hint to a guy I like that this is the case; I hit on someone at a party right in front of my primary.  I haven't suffered a hiccup of drama or a twinge of jealousy to speak of and all evidence (including verbal confirmation) indicates that I've been managing my primary's feelings satisfactorily too.</bragging>  Does this sort of thing appeal to you?  Cross your fingers and hope your brain works enoug
1478329;1465328089;mircea_popescu;h like mine that you can swipe my procedure."
1478330;1465328099;mircea_popescu;how do they manage to stay mentally 12 ?! seriously now.
1478331;1465328804;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> how do they manage to stay mentally 12 ?! seriously now. << By continuing to surround themselve exclusively with sick people.
1478332;1465329169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who wrote the above ?
1478333;1465329250;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1478334;1465329250;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1478335;1465329777;gabriel_laddel;Masamune update while I'm here:
1478336;1465329803;gabriel_laddel;untangled the only gnarly bit of the masamune replication and promptly cooked my computer's hard drive
1478337;1465329809;gabriel_laddel;set back about 2 weeks.
1478338;1465329812;asciilifeform;replication?
1478339;1465329843;gabriel_laddel;Generate a RescueCD that rebuilds masamune using all the sources on disk
1478340;1465329853;gabriel_laddel;along with all the docs etc
1478341;1465329859;asciilifeform;neato
1478342;1465329865;asciilifeform;sorta like 'buildroot' ?
1478343;1465329895;gabriel_laddel;sorta
1478344;1465329902;trinque;bro... rsync
1478345;1465329922;gabriel_laddel;trinque: I don't know / use rsync. What should I have done?
1478346;1465329948;trinque;cronjob to rsync your whole dev machine elsewhere regularly
1478347;1465329953;trinque;or at least the code you want
1478348;1465329973;gabriel_laddel;you have no idea how much of a complete disaster my life is...
1478349;1465329985;trinque;start habits that make it otherwise!
1478350;1465330007;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: you oughta have been here for the ' mircea_popescu arguing that there is no such thing as peformance dope ' thread the other day
1478351;1465330018;asciilifeform;i thought of you.
1478352;1465330047;gabriel_laddel;O? I have an event in an hour. Lemme catch up on logs...
1478353;1465330059;gabriel_laddel;No laptop, currently on a public box so can't get any work done.
1478354;1465330076;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel had better not be in a motherfucking asylum
1478355;1465330078;asciilifeform;like adlai.
1478356;1465330083;gabriel_laddel;Nah. Stanford
1478357;1465330091;asciilifeform;similar enough.
1478358;1465330139;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1478359;1465330140;gabriel_laddel;cute girl with a "recreational mathematics" shirt on right next to me. it's not so bad.
1478360;1465330161;gribble;Current Blocks: {"blockcount":415255} | Current Difficulty: {"difficulty":199312067531.243} | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: None | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1478361;1465330166;asciilifeform;gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477466 << thread.
1478362;1465330166;a111;Logged on 2016-06-05 15:25 asciilifeform: how do you figure
1478363;1465330441;gabriel_laddel;Turns out is her bf's shirt and she does molecular bio so perhaps ascii was right...
1478364;1465330487;trinque;maybe he's into being cuckooed!
1478365;1465330494;trinque;I hear it's a progressive place, stanford
1478366;1465330534;gabriel_laddel;lol. not quite as progressive as yale. yet.
1478367;1465330799;BingoBoingo;Nah just as encancered. Just differently cancered.
1478368;1465330827;BingoBoingo;Tell her to call her boyfriend so he can watch her suck yo dick.
1478369;1465330855;gabriel_laddel;Hola BB.
1478370;1465330857;trinque;it's an opportunity for him to challenge the negative biases within himself and become a more open person
1478371;1465330861;gabriel_laddel;How is the sober life?
1478372;1465330971;BingoBoingo;Good. Happy, Joyous, and well... not as free as I like but maybe I'll kick the nicotine problem in the not too distant future.
1478373;1465330985;gabriel_laddel;Still got the agents watching you?
1478374;1465330994;BingoBoingo;Seems so
1478375;1465331090;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/PXU
1478376;1465331090;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1478377;1465331102;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1478378;1465331115;shinohai;Just a short PSA
1478379;1465331195;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1478380;1465331196;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1478381;1465331201;asciilifeform;waiwut what was i right about..?
1478382;1465331217;trinque;BingoBoingo: I'm working on kicking cigs too
1478383;1465331218;gabriel_laddel;stanford is an asylum.
1478384;1465331378;BingoBoingo;shinohai: I'm making runs at just pulling the bandaid off and learning a lot about physiological processes nicotine involves itself in that they don't really teach the kids about in school. For example: Nicotine causes causes stored sugahs to be released into the blood stream which means a substantial portion of the pain of acute nicotine withdrawal is related to the Beetus.
1478385;1465331396;BingoBoingo;Sorry ^ trinque
1478386;1465331442;trinque;interesting.
1478387;1465331456;shinohai;Applicable tho .... I have unsuccessfully tried quitting several times.
1478388;1465331472;trinque;I've quit before and got lazy, picked it back up
1478389;1465331503;shinohai;Don't want to become a vapefag though
1478390;1465331540;asciilifeform;shinohai: how come ?
1478391;1465331550;asciilifeform;why not get the nicotine without the CO ?
1478392;1465331579;asciilifeform;or what, it ain't proper honest sm0k3 unless yer gasenwagening yerself ?
1478393;1465331627;shinohai;Nope, the burn and taste is part of the reason I like it.
1478394;1465331643;shinohai;Fake smoke machine just doesn't do it.
1478395;1465331673;asciilifeform;fair nuff.
1478396;1465331816;shinohai;Actually vaping feels more like gasenwagening .. just add a can of zyklon B
1478397;1465331870;BingoBoingo;Yeah vapefag setups tryhard the temperature too much which is unpleasant and generates srs formaldahyde
1478398;1465331898;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: how's that work? it is hotter than actual burning paper ?
1478399;1465331903;deedbot;[Qntra] Mere 265 Bitcoin Sell Causes Flashcrash At Coinbase, Chronically Thin Orderbook To Blame - http://qntra.net/2016/06/mere-265-bitcoin-sell-causes-flashcrash-at-coinbase-chronically-thin-orderbook-to-blame/
1478400;1465331921;shinohai;^ top kek
1478401;1465331946;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: filter on real cigarettes provides opportunity for smoke to cool pleasantly. They didn't become the standard for health reasons...
1478402;1465331970;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sure but how does this relate to whether formaldehyde forms ?
1478403;1465332051;shinohai;"possibly arbuscular mycorrhizal organisms"  <<<lolz
1478404;1465332055;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Anyways the people who sucessfully substitute vapes for cigs tend to run at 400-500 degrees which cooks many of the glycols theys use to maintain nicotine suspension into preservatives. If preserving lungs I'd rather do it with good old fashioned creosote.
1478405;1465332087;asciilifeform;interesting
1478406;1465332158;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478332 << random anon chick that yudk derp credits with his conversion to "polyamory"
1478407;1465332158;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 19:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who wrote the above ?
1478408;1465332184;asciilifeform;l0l!
1478409;1465332190;asciilifeform;was it alicorn ?
1478410;1465332222;mircea_popescu;yeah that
1478411;1465332251;asciilifeform;^ interesting character from the lesswrong heyday. wrote 'harry potter and rationality' but for 'fifty shades'. also famous for having introduced 'offending wimminz is off limits' to lesswrong; and for suffering 'nightmares' on account of 'roko's basilisk'
1478412;1465332253;asciilifeform;$s basilisk
1478413;1465332253;a111;9 results for "basilisk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=basilisk
1478414;1465332267;mircea_popescu;fucking "my little pony" franchise reference. unicorn-pegasus wtf is wrong with esltards already.
1478415;1465332273;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-20#1059184
1478416;1465332273;a111;Logged on 2015-03-20 03:35 mircea_popescu: "Roko's basilisk is a thought experiment that assumes that an otherwise benevolent future artificial intelligence (AI) would torture the simulated selves of the people who did not help bring about the AI's existence. [...] The concept was proposed in 2010 by contributor Roko in a discussion on LessWrong. Yudkowsky deleted the posts regarding it and banned further discussion of Roko's basilisk on LessWrong af
1478417;1465332322;mircea_popescu;at least it could be snake bodied and feathered and also have many hands and could die on the cross.
1478418;1465332326;mircea_popescu;shitsoup 100%.
1478419;1465332341;asciilifeform;at any rate, the operative fact re yudkowsky is that he 1) took his cult to meatspace, nailing down funding, chix, sycophants, offices, etc 2) jettisoned the now-useless reddit
1478420;1465332351;mircea_popescu;thoth prolly needs to be in there also though...
1478421;1465332381;asciilifeform;the www forum was like the 1st stage of rocket.
1478422;1465332386;asciilifeform;burned, done.
1478423;1465332425;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform for all the psycho-pomp, the whole thing reads to me rather infantile altogether. dumbass needed to crash, ended up crashing at apartment of derpy local chav and his whorish mahalagioaica.
1478424;1465332435;asciilifeform;his particular stated ambition is worth commenting on, also
1478425;1465332466;mircea_popescu;what, build eternal life spacesheep ?
1478426;1465332479;asciilifeform;y wants to form an all-powerful usg-like stooge force to get between anyone who might be crafting 'rogue ai' (ai not designed by y and sycophants) and their work
1478427;1465332491;asciilifeform;sorta like what existing usg tries to do with nukes
1478428;1465332534;asciilifeform;or at the very least it is his official thing.
1478429;1465332536;mircea_popescu;lol mkay.
1478430;1465332546;mircea_popescu;weren't we making "rogue ai" ?
1478431;1465332560;asciilifeform;https://intelligence.org << he renamed it. again.
1478432;1465332572;asciilifeform;it is an Official usg thinktank now!111111
1478433;1465332577;asciilifeform;with 'fellows'
1478434;1465332578;asciilifeform;and 'papers'
1478435;1465332615;mircea_popescu;pity it has no dao.
1478436;1465332618;asciilifeform;https://intelligence.org/transparency << cutting straight to the (claimed) chase.
1478437;1465332652;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems dead ?
1478438;1465332657;asciilifeform;loads here.
1478439;1465332687;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/M1Ldm
1478440;1465332689;mircea_popescu;yes yes but ... strategic plan 1 year (2 installments) out of date ; "in review" idem
1478441;1465332702;asciilifeform;https://intelligence.org/topdonors
1478442;1465332717;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha jed mccalleb donated OVER 350k ?
1478443;1465332718;mircea_popescu;gtfo.
1478444;1465332722;asciilifeform;why should he publish financials, the idiots already coughed up the moolah!111
1478445;1465332725;mircea_popescu;the guy never had that much together.
1478446;1465332738;asciilifeform;who the fuck even was that
1478447;1465332763;mircea_popescu;old time bitcoin scammer ; kicked out around the time of the great mp scammer purge of 2013
1478448;1465332767;mircea_popescu;moved on to altcoin bullshit.
1478449;1465332773;asciilifeform;wasn't he the fella who robbed mtgox ?
1478450;1465332808;mircea_popescu;the finances of mtgox are unclear.
1478451;1465332819;asciilifeform;'Jed McCaleb	$631,137' << from the 'top donor' pg.
1478452;1465332826;asciilifeform;perhaps fella by same name.
1478453;1465332832;asciilifeform;i have nfi.
1478454;1465332842;mircea_popescu;i doubt it, seeing how they actually credit him for ripple.
1478455;1465332851;mircea_popescu;anyway : the numbers don't match ; total assets in 2014 ~2mn.
1478456;1465332967;asciilifeform;one, the other, both, neither, could be a fiction, i have nfi.
1478457;1465333026;mircea_popescu;anyway, the list as publishes sums to a suspiciously round 6,008,809. the assets claimed are ~30% that.
1478458;1465333045;mircea_popescu;bullshit through and through, i have no idea how they even summon the gall to publish this unauditable nonsense.
1478459;1465333064;mircea_popescu;vessenes & merck level "bitcoin foundation" sort of fraud.
1478460;1465333072;asciilifeform;had links to something claiming to be detailed audit dumps but i can't be arsed.
1478461;1465333091;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is not a mystery that y's thing is a kind of phoundation
1478462;1465333105;deedbot;[Qntra] US Newspapers Band Together In Defense Of Malware - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-newspapers-band-together-in-defense-of-malware/
1478463;1465333129;mircea_popescu;i have the "independent accountant review" right here.
1478464;1465333155;asciilifeform;'Ad-blockers undermine the ability of publishers to continue to provide free or reduced-pricecontent on the Internet because they undercut publishers’ ability to finance enterprisejournalism, and they threaten the livelihood of journalists and other content creators. These free-riding technologies are a clear and present danger to an ecosystem that hascreated a vibrant, content-filled Internet for the American public.' << gold
1478465;1465333159;mircea_popescu;it was prepared by some obscure los gatos ca house (snow, bittleston &co) and is every bit as ridiculous as the rest.
1478466;1465333179;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so why do you suppose they bothered ?
1478467;1465333222;mircea_popescu;anyway, in summary : 885k in bank ; 14k in something called "cyro currency" as an "investment", 50k in prepaid expenses and 307k receivables. not clear whom from, but anyway.
1478468;1465333224;asciilifeform;and iirc phoundation didn't even have a shill audit so this'd be classier, neh ?
1478469;1465333232;mircea_popescu;10k worth of furniture and 6k worth of "computer equipment"
1478470;1465333259;mircea_popescu;oh and 8.6k worth of wells fargo credit card debt. lollercopter.
1478471;1465333265;asciilifeform;waaat
1478472;1465333272;mircea_popescu;we now have a precise sum of yudkowsky's total interest in this venture.
1478473;1465333284;mircea_popescu;he got ~8664 worth of groceries.
1478474;1465333301;asciilifeform;iirc prior to deal with the devil fella was worth ~0
1478475;1465333311;asciilifeform;he was booted out of school for insanity
1478476;1465333313;mircea_popescu;o look at that, "salaries" 258k ; payroll tax and employee benefits 22k.
1478477;1465333325;asciilifeform;and afaik neither worked nor mircea_popescud.
1478478;1465333386;asciilifeform;sounds like they employ 2-3 people.
1478479;1465333389;mircea_popescu;at 31 dec 2014 realized loss from ripples an' bitcoins of 138.5k ; unrealized loss of 17.3k
1478480;1465333390;asciilifeform;at starvation wage.
1478481;1465333403;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah, they employ one catamite. the lack of payroll tax is a dead giveaway.
1478482;1465333409;mircea_popescu;that catamite pointedly isn't yudk derp.
1478483;1465333424;asciilifeform;conceivably he is paid under the table ?
1478484;1465333429;asciilifeform;i mean, if whole statement is a fiction.
1478485;1465333437;mircea_popescu;not under table again. 8664, i'm telling you.
1478486;1465333455;asciilifeform;incidentally in usa if someone is employed as 'contractor' there is no payroll tax reflected in corp statement.
1478487;1465333473;asciilifeform;the victi^H^H^H^H^Hcontractor is required to pay tax manually.
1478488;1465333484;mircea_popescu;right.
1478489;1465333520;asciilifeform;sooo he's paid california-style. given corp cc and off he goes.
1478490;1465333551;mircea_popescu;more like pedowales style.
1478491;1465333560;asciilifeform;iirc even steve jobs was paid this way.
1478492;1465333572;mircea_popescu;"all frustrated at the heads using him for a sockpuppet, runs off with corp cc, is then forced to give it back"
1478493;1465333601;asciilifeform;incidentally -$8k of cc doesn't conclusively prove this scheme, it is common for us corp to pump purchases through a cc for bureaucratic reasons
1478494;1465333612;asciilifeform;and for it to be in the - at time of audit.
1478495;1465333614;mircea_popescu;just my old vp intuition.
1478496;1465333622;mircea_popescu;i spent a lot of my life going through exactly this sort of bs.
1478497;1465333628;mircea_popescu;fin vp*
1478498;1465333721;asciilifeform;small corp in usa almost always has a cc, for roughly same reason as humans do, it can dispute charges stemming from cc scamz, pay vendors which won't take american cheques, etc.
1478499;1465333787;asciilifeform;and i find it mind-boggling that thiel would choose to pay him this way, vs hiring him as 'consultant' or fuck, gardener, or whatnot, and just handing him bags of money
1478500;1465333879;mircea_popescu;atm looks a lot more like someone in tax shelters is using this to hide from a few mn worth of tax liability ; than thiel or anyone else wanting to give yudks as much as a half smoked marlboro.
1478501;1465333900;asciilifeform;how does that work ?
1478502;1465333918;mircea_popescu;you ever seen "the strawberry blonde" ? 1930s film with cagney, de havilland and a still starlet rita hayworth.
1478503;1465333923;asciilifeform;thiel puts $sum in phoundation; then gets it back out? how ?
1478504;1465333930;asciilifeform;nope?
1478505;1465333953;mircea_popescu;not a bad film ; cagney's a dope, friend of his offers him a position in management for a company where all he does is read the nespapers.
1478506;1465333970;mircea_popescu;eventually govt deal obtained through tammany hall collapses an' he goes to jail.
1478507;1465334028;asciilifeform;sorta like,
1478508;1465334040;asciilifeform;'You know how mentally limited people who agree to work for vague international companies doing the "clerical work" of cashing checks end up with a visit from the police ? ' ( http://trilema.com/2015/thattommyhall-that-kickstarter-scamsite-this-internet-life/#selection-125.2-125.173 )
1478509;1465334049;mircea_popescu;sorta like.
1478510;1465334068;asciilifeform;but that part i can see how it works (mule sends the money on).
1478511;1465334070;asciilifeform;but how here ?
1478512;1465334075;mircea_popescu;except hey, for as long as thiel's connected, who's gonna rustle his clientelle.
1478513;1465334094;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform here mule claims to have received donations that never showed up. win-win as they say.
1478514;1465334146;asciilifeform;not only is this logical,
1478515;1465334152;mircea_popescu;the "assets match ~30% of theoretical income" is a major flag ; the periodic name changes a slightly less major flag.
1478516;1465334160;asciilifeform;but i suspect that ~all american 'nonprofits' operate some variant of this chumpatron.
1478517;1465334171;mircea_popescu;there's more. in any case - let it be said faux charities are today as were a century ago the principal tax fraud mechanism.
1478518;1465334180;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform bout two thirds.
1478519;1465334187;asciilifeform;hey, since when even, children's crusade.
1478520;1465334233;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's a major factor in the "i can't explain why the fuck this guy went all usgtronic".
1478521;1465334255;mircea_popescu;well... odds are he's a principal in a charity somewhere that cooked the books. "seemed the right thing to do" "i just took people's word" "i just wanted to" etc.
1478522;1465334786;deedbot;[Qntra] Likely Next French President Wants Bitcoin Ban - http://qntra.net/2016/06/likely-next-french-president-wants-bitcoin-ban/
1478523;1465334935;asciilifeform;waiwut didn't they already..?
1478524;1465334949;asciilifeform;or what, now will be 2x as banned!1111
1478525;1465334952;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Follow link for max lulz
1478526;1465334956;asciilifeform;like in ru every year
1478527;1465334964;asciilifeform;'bitcoin is now MOAR BANN3D1111'
1478528;1465334975;BingoBoingo;"'Likely next French President Marine Le Pen (WOT:nonperson) has gone on the record stating that she would like a ban on Bitcoin. Remember kids that National Socialism is still socialism with all its kleptographic tendencies intact."
1478529;1465334996;mircea_popescu;hmm, anyone have the requisite pseudosocial media doohickey to contact this guy https://plus.google.com/101025241405784788544 ?
1478530;1465335030;mircea_popescu;eh the bitch's not making it.
1478531;1465335072;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo double whether
1478532;1465335091;BingoBoingo;ty, fixed
1478533;1465335106;BingoBoingo;and if Trump-Clinton can do it so can Le Pen
1478534;1465335157;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform laughably, idiot imagines bitcoin as part of "online payment" and opposes it because "it hinders individual property on money".
1478535;1465335162;mircea_popescu;total fucking shitshow.
1478536;1465335178;asciilifeform;hey and idiot imagines that camera steals souls
1478537;1465335190;asciilifeform;and that steam train will move a man too quickly for him to breathe, etc.
1478538;1465335218;asciilifeform;but the 'bitcoin == scam' isn't even wholly unreasonable for aboriginal whose entire experience of 'electronic money' has been chumpatronic
1478539;1465335243;asciilifeform;how is poor bastard to know that this airplane - flies.
1478540;1465335246;mircea_popescu;it is wholly unreasonable to discuss things you don't understand ; it is disqualifying to not understand certain things.
1478541;1465335260;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by not being "poor bastard".
1478542;1465335279;asciilifeform;well he ain't here! is derping in some parliament instead.
1478543;1465335281;asciilifeform;so - poor bastard.
1478544;1465335390;mircea_popescu;also, it's a woman.
1478545;1465335434;asciilifeform;ah lel i did not even read linked piece
1478546;1465335436;asciilifeform;it is, innit.
1478547;1465335441;asciilifeform;widow of what's his face
1478548;1465335449;asciilifeform;the fascist fella ?
1478549;1465335481;asciilifeform;but i was speaking of archetypical cargo cult derp, who is eternally male.
1478550;1465335493;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Daughter of
1478551;1465335498;asciilifeform;ah
1478552;1465336857;asciilifeform;in other lulz, the various gold chumpatrons must really be hard up for chumpz
1478553;1465336868;asciilifeform;i keep getting spam from 'goldmoney' for 'buy with 0 fee'
1478554;1465336883;asciilifeform;(eons ago, i actually used it)
1478555;1465336898;asciilifeform;(and it was very much not 0fee)
1478556;1465336955;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4553
1478557;1465336983;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: They are hard up. Their radio advertising has definitely fallen off these past few weeks. Likely can't afford it.
1478558;1465337339;shinohai;Looks like Bruce Fenton is resigning as director of teh Phoundation.
1478559;1465337449;BingoBoingo;Why am I learning about that in this channel and not a submission?
1478560;1465337463;shinohai;" BUT could stay same role w an assist, in co-ED role, advisor, rebrand or ^ funding"  <<< meaning "Imma quit if you don't give me monies"
1478561;1465337469;BingoBoingo;lol
1478562;1465337500;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: does anyobody even care ~which~ pedo directs the arisen corpse of the phoundation ??
1478563;1465337501;shinohai;I need more sauce, just a bit
1478564;1465337519;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Gotta count the corpses
1478565;1465337524;shinohai;^
1478566;1465337549;BingoBoingo;Not because it is important now, but for the later lolz when the dead try to do something else
1478567;1465337681;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/ZDpQQAZ.png
1478568;1465338229;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://ix.io/PZV
1478569;1465339970;BingoBoingo;ty, bringing it into concordance with existing qntra
1478570;1465340282;deedbot;[Qntra] Fenton Taking Leave Of Vessenes' Fundnation Corpse - http://qntra.net/2016/06/fenton-taking-leave-of-vessenes-fundnation-corpse/
1478571;1465340497;BingoBoingo;Back to the Yudocow cognitive dissonance disease https://i.sli.mg/LqRavv.jpg
1478572;1465340563;shinohai;ty BingoBoingo
1478573;1465340814;mircea_popescu;fundnation ?
1478574;1465341001;BingoBoingo;Yeah. A socialist funding organization. Been using that on qntra for the Vessenes' scam since... forever?
1478575;1465341014;BingoBoingo;Phoundation is too legitimizing
1478576;1465341251;shinohai;^ nb
1478577;1465341872;BingoBoingo;In other news, political ads are different in Missouri http://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2016/06/07/in-new-tv-spot-gubernatorial-candidate-eric-greitens-blow-stuff-up
1478578;1465342181;shinohai;Wow even other SEALS hate him.
1478579;1465342268;BingoBoingo;Come on this is politics, you can't believe anything being said by anybody involved other than blowing stuff up is fun.
1478580;1465342649;BingoBoingo;Seriously likely to win though
1478581;1465342660;BingoBoingo;$google site:qntra.net schweich
1478582;1465342760;BingoBoingo;Anyways, related http://qntra.net/2015/02/missouri-state-auditor-dies-of-gunshot-wound/
1478583;1465342886;shinohai;Hey BingoBoingo ... wasn't Boelens a former associate/employee of TF ?
1478584;1465342998;trinque;site doesn't work with the google search API
1478585;1465343000;trinque;nfi why
1478586;1465343017;trinque;$google qntra.net schweich
1478587;1465343024;deedbot;http://qntra.net/ << Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics | https://twitter.com/qntra << Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter | http://qntra.net/about/ << About | Qntra
1478588;1465343035;trinque;rubbish
1478589;1465343059;shinohai;;;google site:qntra.net schweich
1478590;1465343060;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1478591;1465343065;trinque;I would rather search the aggregated browsing history of my WoT than google
1478592;1465343110;shinohai;I switched search to ddg on my bot, but I think I broke it some time back.
1478593;1465343131;trinque;I used that for search a while back, ought to try it again
1478594;1465343184;shinohai;It's more regex friendly
1478595;1465343214;BingoBoingo;shinohai: He's some dutch kid kind of on the margins of everything
1478596;1465343285;shinohai;I only spoke with him a few times, but he seemed ok. Twas reading on tardstalk where someone doxed him over a 5 BTC loan or something.
1478597;1465345822;shinohai;https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1495646.0   <<< selling `gavincoin.com` kek
1478598;1465346990;mircea_popescu;"poets, literary men and artists in general are very peculiar fellows ; but what's very peculiar about it is that they're all the more peculiar the less talent they actually have, which makes it rather hard to explain why entirely ordinary people should be so very peculiar in the first place."
1478599;1465347039;mircea_popescu;$google site:qntra.net schweich
1478600;1465347047;mircea_popescu;hm.
1478601;1465347831;trinque;I just added qntra to the custom search panel thing explicitly; let's see if that did anything
1478602;1465347835;trinque;$google site:qntra.net schweich
1478603;1465347845;trinque;$google qntra.net schweich
1478604;1465347846;deedbot;http://qntra.net/ << Qntra | Reporting the Intersection of Bitcoin, Technology, and Politics | https://twitter.com/qntra << Qntra (@qntra) | Twitter | http://qntra.net/about/ << About | Qntra
1478605;1465347852;trinque;$google schweich
1478606;1465347853;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Schweich << Tom Schweich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/auditor-schweich-had-called-seeking-an-interview-just-before-his/article_879ddcd7-c997-5df3-bc61-39282c4f7434.html << Auditor Schweich had called seeking an interview just before his death | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schweich << Schweich - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1478607;1465347919;trinque;wtf.
1478608;1465348049;shinohai;damned google
1478609;1465349827;asciilifeform;lol gavincoin
1478610;1465350122;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478598 << maaaaany years ago i chanced across the blog of a young (university student) math chick, who appeared to GENUINELY believe that she can become 'great' by cultivating the nervous ticks, compulsions, and miscellaneous dysfunctions paul erdos was infamous for !
1478611;1465350122;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 00:49 mircea_popescu: "poets, literary men and artists in general are very peculiar fellows ; but what's very peculiar about it is that they're all the more peculiar the less talent they actually have, which makes it rather hard to explain why entirely ordinary people should be so very peculiar in the first place."
1478612;1465350151;asciilifeform;'darkmathgirl' if you are tuned in, speak up !
1478613;1465350177;asciilifeform;(long gone, as far as i can tell, from the net.)
1478614;1465350390;asciilifeform;$google darkmathgirl
1478615;1465350410;asciilifeform;^___ ??? trinque
1478616;1465350424;asciilifeform;is it a nil or a what.
1478617;1465350985;mircea_popescu;$google darkmathgirls tits
1478618;1465350989;mircea_popescu;at least do it right if you're gonna
1478619;1465351013;asciilifeform;not them, either.
1478620;1465351025;asciilifeform;$google darkmathgirl's nsa career
1478621;1465351030;asciilifeform;also nuffin!
1478622;1465351030;deedbot;https://www.nsa.gov/careers/ << Careers & Programs - NSA.gov | https://www.intelligencecareers.gov/nsa.html << National Security Agency for Intelligence Careers | https://www.nsa.gov/psp/applyonline/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL << Applicant Home
1478623;1465351038;asciilifeform;l0l
1478624;1465351070;mircea_popescu;intelligencecareers.gov ? bright.
1478625;1465351080;asciilifeform;you oughta see their bus ads.
1478626;1465351148;asciilifeform;http://www.reddotad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Phone-62x43-downsized.jpg << example.
1478627;1465351168;asciilifeform;^ there is a whole SERIES with the squirrel.
1478628;1465351200;mircea_popescu;i can picture the quality meatsacks they attract.
1478629;1465351206;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah that one doesn't shit anything out in google proper either
1478630;1465351217;asciilifeform;https://cdn.clearancejobs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/270-CJ-Secret-Squirrel-Pics-504-03-Caption-032615.png << personal favourite.
1478631;1465351221;trinque;and I guess this google custom search doesn't do related searches?
1478632;1465351240;mircea_popescu;google shitstom search.
1478633;1465351261;trinque;doesn't do the directives like "site:"
1478634;1465351289;trinque;it's what I get for going the official route instead of screen scraping
1478635;1465351826;mircea_popescu;$google 1961 goldsboro crash
1478636;1465351829;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961_Goldsboro_B-52_crash << 1961 Goldsboro B-52 crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb475/ << New Details on the 1961 Goldsboro Nuclear Accident | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/20/usaf-atomic-bomb-north-carolina-1961 << US nearly detonated atomic bomb over North Carolina – secret ...
1478637;1465351848;asciilifeform;iirc another in off the east coast
1478638;1465351851;asciilifeform;never officially found
1478639;1465351859;asciilifeform;(every decade or so, some salvage co goes looking)
1478640;1465351871;asciilifeform;another in spain - which went splat
1478641;1465351874;mircea_popescu;the pix are pretty good
1478642;1465351876;asciilifeform;and i forget where else.
1478643;1465352341;asciilifeform;http://www.ibiblio.org/bomb/ease.html << related lulz.
1478644;1465352421;asciilifeform;^ spot where one of the bombz fell and sank into mud, never found.
1478645;1465352849;mircea_popescu;speaking of bombs, http://a1.ro/uploads/modules/news/0/2013/9/2/157543/138355122833a870da.jpg
1478646;1465352888;asciilifeform;lel what's this, a punctured magician's hat, around her waist ?
1478647;1465352899;mircea_popescu;wanna-be "corset"
1478648;1465353377;mircea_popescu;also to rest asciilifeform 's worries about web bots: trilema saw 59722 attempts to "POST /xmlrpc.php" within the past 12 hours.\
1478649;1465353399;asciilifeform;lel these come in by the megatonne ~everywhere i know of
1478650;1465353406;mircea_popescu;ie, more "visits" than average usg fishwrap gets in a week. none of them yielded anything ~whatsoever~, which discorages exactly no one.
1478651;1465353426;asciilifeform;they autopropagate.
1478652;1465353430;asciilifeform;junk router worm.
1478653;1465353435;asciilifeform;iirc
1478654;1465353456;mircea_popescu;nope.
1478655;1465353466;mircea_popescu;legit server space all over teh world.
1478656;1465353693;mircea_popescu;5.135.17.28 (ovh sas - tons more from these) ; 188.120.41.9 (launchhost.net) ; 185.103.109.246 (bitcanal.pt), whatever A class, you name it, i've got it.
1478657;1465353704;asciilifeform;lulzy
1478658;1465353844;mircea_popescu;if a tenth of all this blind effort went into fucking up "the state" there'd be no state
1478659;1465353857;mircea_popescu;but hey, safely wasted in misdirected idiocy.
1478660;1465353869;asciilifeform;eh nobody risks his arse spamming
1478661;1465353887;mircea_popescu;nobody risks his arse raping the state, either.
1478662;1465353888;asciilifeform;hence why the net drowned in own shit
1478663;1465358768;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478614 << EXCAVATED!!1111 by dear ol' Vexual! >>>>>>>> http://math_fridge.livejournal.com
1478664;1465358768;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 01:46 asciilifeform: $google darkmathgirl
1478665;1465358779;*;asciilifeform takes off hat.
1478666;1465358836;BingoBoingo;aha, so alf just needs to get her to friend his livejournal
1478667;1465358854;*;BingoBoingo assumes that alf being Russian must have a livejournal somewhere
1478668;1465358858;asciilifeform;used to.
1478669;1465358871;asciilifeform;pretty useless item.
1478670;1465358889;BingoBoingo;Except for reinforcing your identity as a Russia
1478671;1465358905;asciilifeform;thing's been ~dead for eons, you realize.
1478672;1465358949;BingoBoingo;I thought it still thrived in .ru as what VK pretends to be
1478673;1465358966;asciilifeform;'thrive' is very much wrong word here.
1478674;1465358973;asciilifeform;'still squirms', perhaps.
1478675;1465359100;asciilifeform;anyway, linked because earlier thread, and as illustration of what i think proper chix work like.
1478676;1465359258;asciilifeform;kudos to Vexual for the archaeological sweat.
1478677;1465359268;asciilifeform;perhaps he can dredge up the mud nyook next.
1478678;1465359361;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i need playing 'social net' gamez like i need a second arse.
1478679;1465359437;*;asciilifeform bbl.
1478680;1465362747;BingoBoingo;http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/pedobear-uses-a-macbook
1478681;1465363559;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 45 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Timo Halbesma <T.L.R.Halbesma@uva.nl>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA3020CDCD4CECB547E320E46FF6F6686F397656E19A4C437143EF9D6B0DAC28
1478682;1465363559;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 45 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Enrico Zini <enrico@debian.org>; Enrico Zini <enrico@truelite.it>; Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.com>; Enrico Zini <enrico@enricozini.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/59193035CE75C92A2701BAE7930E75D22B2743E84765E63D4CDE48B39EB04247
1478683;1465364331;BingoBoingo;$b 2
1478684;1465368423;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Whenever life gets you down… - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/08/whenever-life-gets-you-down/
1478685;1465369974;ben_vulpes;ahaha i had so much fun with lj
1478686;1465370014;ben_vulpes;approx *all* cute chicks at the local public schools had ljs
1478687;1465370027;ben_vulpes;graph was so delightfully walkable
1478688;1465370054;ben_vulpes;oh man and the rave/burning man scene
1478689;1465370082;ben_vulpes;so much hilarious entertaining trouble
1478690;1465370097;ben_vulpes;"no ma, we were just out camping and shooting at a quarry all weekend"
1478691;1465370144;ben_vulpes;22-year olds from ca etc, "who the fuck are these kids"
1478692;1465370885;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Brian McDonald <brianm@ou.edu>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/403ADCADE94C1040C399D0ADBF2FB49D66B5C1265718AC90EDDF2906C904DF37
1478693;1465370885;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'addyGIRL <addyGIRL0@safe-mail.net>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C16E916A1B9000F42AEA3C5B8543948091513B10CCC520BF05F8AE73C466B3A
1478694;1465370885;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ich_der_paul@web.de <ich_der_paul@web.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0EC2595B3A73D6A0E4E6FADA533889C908187FAF397A6D09DB6E0748891CB69D
1478695;1465385411;asciilifeform;sooooo
1478696;1465385415;asciilifeform;'Prior to publishing https://blog.torproject.org/blog/statement The Tor Project requested that Jacob Appelbaum sign the attached separation agreement which includes a "mutual nondisparagement" clause and an agreement that he will not sue the Tor Project. After he declined to sign the agreement, they published their statement which is a blanket endorsement of any anonymous claims made against him.'
1478697;1465385500;asciilifeform;'The website bearing Appelbaum's name, which was originally purporting to be "his" website, was being built on the same day (May 27) that the separation agreement is dated and was initially sent to Appelbaum. On June 2nd he was given two hours to sign it and told that the contents of the agreement were non-negotiable.'
1478698;1465385524;asciilifeform;'There are strong indications that the website was created by Tor Project contractors and/or employees. Today, the website says "Before launch, we had placeholder text for the initial site design which we did not expect to become public. We never meant to impersonate Jake or to trick anyone." but the original tweet button (which many people clicked) produced a tweet saying "I just read on @ioerror's homepage ..." which shows this to
1478699;1465385524;asciilifeform;be untrue.'
1478700;1465385540;asciilifeform;'The website also disclaims involvement with the TimeToDieJake twitter account (since renamed to VictimsOfJake) but that account was clearly coordinated with the launch of the site, even posting information from it ("at least 4 claims of sexual assaults") hours prior to it being published.'
1478701;1465385559;asciilifeform;( https://cryptome.org/2016/06/tor-appelbaum-separation.pdf << whole thing, apparently. )
1478702;1465385614;asciilifeform;^ still doesn't tell us WHY he was sacked. the attached thing is standard american boilerplate. ^
1478703;1465388813;shinohai;The plot thickens ^
1478704;1465390720;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. not like he was an employee or anything.
1478705;1465390725;mircea_popescu;what "serparation"
1478706;1465391285;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478704 << seems as if he were.
1478707;1465391285;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 12:58 mircea_popescu: i don't get it. not like he was an employee or anything.
1478708;1465391473;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes west coast didn't suck balls 10-15 years ago, you sayin' ?!?!?!
1478709;1465391535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hopefully the derp kills himself and there's one less jwz in the world.
1478710;1465391569;asciilifeform;hopefully he does it with shaheed knapsack in tor hq also.
1478711;1465391579;mircea_popescu;which, should be pointed out, is the fate of ALL JWZ's. whoever doesn't get butchered at the hands of the accursed state they so promoted, will be butchered at my hands once i'm done raping the state.
1478712;1465391589;mircea_popescu;but there's no way out. so kill yourself today, save everyone the trouble.
1478713;1465391631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mayo "just wanted to" dontchaknow.
1478714;1465391649;asciilifeform;but wanted to ~what~ ??
1478715;1465391659;asciilifeform;i still have nfi
1478716;1465391740;mircea_popescu;"just wanted to".
1478717;1465391793;asciilifeform;i dun get it. you gotta want to ~something~
1478718;1465391814;mircea_popescu;maybe we should make a site, "victims of their own stupidity", there's a decent list by now, that debian fucktard, this fucktard, that kid with the "copyright", etcetera.
1478719;1465391828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not these castrated fucks. they don't want to anything, they "just want to".
1478720;1465391879;asciilifeform;even if it were 'want to sit in hammock and sip vodka' the sentence would compile ok
1478721;1465391888;mircea_popescu;no, no, nothing like that. HE JUST WANTS TO.
1478722;1465391927;asciilifeform;my brain barfs on the missing clause..
1478723;1465391947;mircea_popescu;that's because you think there must be a clause. they're advanced, they can do without all sorts of things.
1478724;1465391957;asciilifeform;apparently!
1478725;1465391966;mircea_popescu;"to [clause]" is an obsolete form of patriarchy, in which to is a particle of power.
1478726;1465391983;mircea_popescu;none of that, they're "feminists" and "democrats", to is now a modern form - THE FETISH of what it used to be.
1478727;1465391990;mircea_popescu;and so "they just want to" nothing in particular.
1478728;1465392005;asciilifeform;btw i can hardly wait for 'compiler is kyriarchy, all strings are equally valid program'
1478729;1465392060;mircea_popescu;not gonna happen.
1478730;1465392071;mircea_popescu;wtf is kyriarchy now.
1478731;1465392086;asciilifeform;we had a thread
1478732;1465392094;asciilifeform;it was this lulzy thing,
1478733;1465392100;asciilifeform;$s kyriarchy
1478734;1465392100;a111;15 results for "kyriarchy", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=kyriarchy
1478735;1465392103;mircea_popescu;oh oh, right. the thing we do, that they don't like. i remember now.
1478736;1465392229;*;mircea_popescu ponders writing an article re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478711
1478737;1465392229;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 13:13 mircea_popescu: which, should be pointed out, is the fate of ALL JWZ's. whoever doesn't get butchered at the hands of the accursed state they so promoted, will be butchered at my hands once i'm done raping the state.
1478738;1465392258;mircea_popescu;but then again... meh. it's one of those things where the idiots that'd benefit will NEVER fucking take it to heart, and everyone else already read it 5000 times.
1478739;1465392332;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu has time i would enjoy expanded bit re why appelbaum was a jwz.
1478740;1465392348;mircea_popescu;what do you mean, why ?
1478741;1465392362;asciilifeform;it isn't wholly obvious to me, what he was.
1478742;1465392370;mircea_popescu;a) participated in usg scheme ; b) did not amass sufficient secret files to REALLY hurt the other participants.
1478743;1465392373;mircea_popescu;where's his snowden stash ?
1478744;1465392374;asciilifeform;and why 'had problemz'
1478745;1465392386;asciilifeform;possibly coming out .
1478746;1465392395;mircea_popescu;it's a very simple heuristic. 1) do you work with state outfit ; 2) are you there to ruin it.
1478747;1465392396;asciilifeform;or why else he refused the hush money
1478748;1465392401;mircea_popescu;yes, no -> jwz.
1478749;1465392424;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mno. it comes out THAT SAME DAY.
1478750;1465392445;asciilifeform;that'd be a point - where is it?!
1478751;1465392449;mircea_popescu;ie, the fucking day of may 27th.
1478752;1465392479;mircea_popescu;also - idiot had no actual power. i can already see a jwz in the making when someone is "on twitter". bitch, you don't own twitter, and when you'll want to embarass the handler they'll just mothball it.
1478753;1465392497;asciilifeform;that part puzzled me also
1478754;1465392499;mircea_popescu;no gpg, no wot, no personal security like that nisman idiot, no independent voice -> jwz, you know it.
1478755;1465392537;asciilifeform;didn't nisman have a guard, who 'stepped out for a smoke' or what was it.
1478756;1465392543;mircea_popescu;nope.
1478757;1465392550;asciilifeform;l0l!
1478758;1465392559;mircea_popescu;he just spent the time before dropping bombs alone. i even commented in the logs re this, at the time.
1478759;1465392569;mircea_popescu;dude... you pick all your friends and throw the mother of all parties downtown.
1478760;1465392573;mircea_popescu;like a fucking wedding.
1478761;1465392589;mircea_popescu;but the jwz shit can't really be taken out of the jwz shithead.
1478762;1465392652;mircea_popescu;actually, maybe you explain this to me, since we're on it. what exactly can possibily fucking possess you to put your stuff on usg.imgur instead of building yout own platform ?
1478763;1465392665;mircea_popescu;because you do it too, and when i tell you not to do it you do it more out of spite.
1478764;1465392668;asciilifeform;resource allocation.
1478765;1465392675;mircea_popescu;i'd really like to understand this shithead mechanism.
1478766;1465392677;mircea_popescu;what ?
1478767;1465392706;mircea_popescu;don\t tell me "you just wanted to"!
1478768;1465392758;asciilifeform;nah, opposite
1478769;1465392764;asciilifeform;dun want to enough.
1478770;1465392805;mircea_popescu;bine acum zi-mi altceva : uite-ti familia ta la-nmormintarea ta. nu arati prea bine, plinge maica-ta...
1478771;1465392825;mircea_popescu;and the fucking agents will go "here's some pics he put on imgur, and we know they're authentic because he used to put pics on imgur", and i'm going to say...
1478772;1465392845;asciilifeform;agents have all my packets at telco, what of it
1478773;1465392851;mircea_popescu;sigh.
1478774;1465392859;asciilifeform;dun matter if i paste on nazipaste or mircea_popescupaste.
1478775;1465392873;mircea_popescu;keep thinking that, it's a road that leads to such wunderbar fruits.
1478776;1465392964;asciilifeform;anyway i'm usually disinclined to post img at all, it is normally a waste of bw
1478777;1465392985;mircea_popescu;nah, it's a nice tool to grow your own blog.
1478778;1465392999;asciilifeform;i dun do that kind of blog
1478779;1465393007;mircea_popescu;what "kinds" are there ?
1478780;1465393015;mircea_popescu;this is like the girl that's "not that kind of girl". what, there's kinds ?
1478781;1465393021;asciilifeform;yes?
1478782;1465393025;mircea_popescu;mnope.
1478783;1465393058;asciilifeform;can draw equivalence classes how you like, no?
1478784;1465393068;mircea_popescu;depends what you then do with them.
1478785;1465393073;asciilifeform;say, 1cock vs 2+
1478786;1465393100;asciilifeform;or esl vs not. etc
1478787;1465393106;mircea_popescu;what's this fallacy called, where in the first step you draw the classes as you like, and in the 2nd step you presume they care what meaning you wish ?
1478788;1465393125;mircea_popescu;other than "racism", of course.
1478789;1465393131;asciilifeform;the items being sorted dun need to care
1478790;1465393179;mircea_popescu;consider the obvious example of the natural ring. yes you can sort the numbers as you like, such as for instance by digit count. but this doesn't mean you're then allowed to declare "mathematical properties" for the various categories you came up with.
1478791;1465393198;asciilifeform;only if you actually have any
1478792;1465393202;mircea_popescu;lest you come up with "one digit numbers are prime and two digit numbers are divisible by 2"
1478793;1465393206;asciilifeform;lel
1478794;1465393212;mircea_popescu;well that's what's at work here.
1478795;1465393288;mircea_popescu;and a platonician will protest that "they're all the same kind" and you'll say "no i can subdivide them as i like". sure you can, but it's not necessarily meaningful. depends what you aim to do with the classes.
1478796;1465393327;asciilifeform;tru
1478797;1465393348;mircea_popescu;so what's this fallacy called then, i forget ? "classification fallacy" ?
1478798;1465393459;asciilifeform;thing also is, it isn't as if wordpress posts are signed
1478799;1465393470;asciilifeform;or at all practical to sign.
1478800;1465393481;mircea_popescu;but at least you control the domain and server.
1478801;1465393487;asciilifeform;nope
1478802;1465393498;asciilifeform;usg controls dns. hoster - server.
1478803;1465393524;mircea_popescu;sure, sure. neither of these are compatible with "twitter deleted my tweets".
1478804;1465393530;asciilifeform;hitler can as easily emplace confession.gif there as on shitgur.
1478805;1465393541;mircea_popescu;i also can't mathematicaly prove that "no more bugs will get in", nor is this a consideration when i fumigate.
1478806;1465393550;mircea_popescu;no, not "as easily".
1478807;1465393551;asciilifeform;hey i expect pastes to last a few hrs at most anyway
1478808;1465393564;asciilifeform;the concern is planting
1478809;1465393593;mircea_popescu;notrly. the concern is that the jwz is easily discouraged, and rather than take reasonable steps, he takes no steps, "because it's not worth it anyway"
1478810;1465393616;mircea_popescu;which is exactly how the state works : by getting the males castrated, which is to say saying this, exactly.
1478811;1465393624;asciilifeform;it is sorta like mircea_popescu's old article re carrying pistols
1478812;1465393645;mircea_popescu;god fucking help the slavegirl that says "oh, beating me's not worth it, i'll do the bad anyway"
1478813;1465393660;asciilifeform;i.e. heavy and won't help if they get the drop on you etc
1478814;1465393661;mircea_popescu;but certainly god fucking help the harem where I ACCEPT THAT.
1478815;1465393873;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has good point but i am still hard-pressed to see a difference between postin unsigned rubbish to one place vs another, in respect to confession.gif strictly
1478816;1465393928;mircea_popescu;overton window problem. it's one thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from person ; it's another thing to repudiate junk when purported to come from known garbage dweller.
1478817;1465393931;asciilifeform;in in other nyooz, Vexual wants in? is he banned or wut
1478818;1465393939;mircea_popescu;i dunno lessee
1478819;1465393991;mircea_popescu;apparently was o.O
1478820;1465394001;asciilifeform;$up Vexual
1478821;1465394006;deedbot;Vexual voiced for 30 minutes.
1478822;1465394007;asciilifeform;lessee what he got
1478823;1465394015;mircea_popescu;uh... he's not even here ?
1478824;1465394085;*;asciilifeform brb, food 
1478825;1465395413;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://www.emirates247.com/news/air-hostess-found-with-man-in-toilet-on-flight-2015-09-27-1.604467
1478826;1465395518;shinohai;Sounds like an entrepreneur to me, helping folks join mile-high club.
1478827;1465395561;phf;given their stewardesses, that sounds like emirates ad
1478828;1465396469;asciilifeform;'... the unnamed stewardess had made more than $1 million (Dh3.7 million) over two years. The papers, citing airline sources, said the passenger admitted that she seduced him into the lavatory for $2,000 (Dh7,400).' << either disinfo or mircea_popescu was wrong re 'no whore costs >500'
1478829;1465396668;shinohai;mircea_popescu would tremble at the sight of the "$40 specials" crowd on backpage.
1478830;1465396731;asciilifeform;i said > not <.
1478831;1465396810;phf;asciilifeform: that's a specialty service though, girl wouldn't be able to make as much on the ground
1478832;1465396876;mircea_popescu;phf competing with teh vietnam one huh.
1478833;1465396901;asciilifeform;if you think about it, she pretty much has to charge x < ($usual_earth_fee + $cost_of_flight), or gurlz who aren't working as stewardesses could compete
1478834;1465396913;mircea_popescu;lol not how it works. captive audience.
1478835;1465396926;mircea_popescu;pretty boys willing to fuck old women on cruises can charge even more.
1478836;1465396929;asciilifeform;captive but next flight could have 2nd gurl
1478837;1465396943;asciilifeform;like the familiar statistician and his bomb.
1478838;1465396956;phf;mircea_popescu: i missed the vietnam reference
1478839;1465396956;asciilifeform;(i assume everyone knows that one)
1478840;1465396964;mircea_popescu;(which incidentally is an absolute bar to any "woe me im poor". bitch, takes six months to learn how to dance passibly, after which you do the cruise circuit.)
1478841;1465396980;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: can be poor + ugly, neh ?
1478842;1465396992;mircea_popescu;phf some derpy article re how vietnam airlines has bikini uniform and THIS is why the woman running it is making 1bn off the ipo.
1478843;1465397006;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no such thing as an ugly male.
1478844;1465397020;asciilifeform;dunno about that
1478845;1465397053;asciilifeform;can be short, fat, old, etc
1478846;1465397069;mircea_popescu;we were discussing young men ; you can't "be" fat, it's just a sign you've not been whipped enough.
1478847;1465397074;mircea_popescu;and tom cruise is short enough.
1478848;1465397076;mircea_popescu;anyway, bbl.
1478849;1465397146;phf;hah, that vietnam thing is awesome, but also makes sense. asians love their bikini girls, arabs "only the best" money not an issue fucks
1478850;1465398290;BingoBoingo;Here alf, have another image host? https://sli.mg/a/HYGEwY
1478851;1465398376;phf;https://i.sli.mg/FSZWtA.jpg << that's the best one
1478852;1465398439;asciilifeform;lolwut
1478853;1465398640;BingoBoingo;Apparently "story in comments"
1478854;1465398893;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sec-corruption-idUSKCN0YT27F << qntra?
1478855;1465398992;BingoBoingo;"Nortek, a building products manufacturer based in Providence, Rhode Island" << Why does China need them even with a bribe?
1478856;1465400597;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478846 << defect in man that could be 'fixed by whipping enough' is effectively permanent. just like, e.g., a defective cpu, might be hypothetically fixable with an ion beam machine, but NOBODY would ever even think of bothering.
1478857;1465400597;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 14:44 mircea_popescu: we were discussing young men ; you can't "be" fat, it's just a sign you've not been whipped enough.
1478858;1465400616;asciilifeform;because why. it'd be like gluing a broken plastic fork.
1478859;1465400647;asciilifeform;which is why 'hunchback straightens in the grave' (tm) (r)
1478860;1465400834;phf;perhaps when there was less leverage, it made sense to apply whipping enough to men, now you need not bother, have all kinds of tools
1478861;1465400939;asciilifeform;yyeaaaah who needs healthy serfs and for what!111 why not instead have this thick portfolio of leveraged paperola.
1478862;1465401010;phf;well, it's something that struck me when i went to india, how poor there are mostly left the fuck alone. can live in a fishermen village, fish, make few rupies doing chores for tourists
1478863;1465401045;asciilifeform;ditto poor whites in old american south
1478864;1465401052;asciilifeform;(as described in mega-b00k 'mind of the south')
1478865;1465401086;phf;in u.s. in contrast every strata of population is mandated to participate in some form of social program that ultimately monetizes, "creates jobs", etc.
1478866;1465401099;asciilifeform;no income tax in india ?
1478867;1465401120;asciilifeform;... or simply too orcish to mechanize collection ?
1478868;1465401137;phf;if only form of mandatory participation was income tax u.s. would be not a bad place to live
1478869;1465401152;phf;but you can't take a piss without paperwork, cop and social worker
1478870;1465401155;asciilifeform;income, sales, land, building permits, 1,001 taxes
1478871;1465401178;asciilifeform;(e.g., even outlaw bandit pays u.s. sales tax if he ever buys from a shop)
1478872;1465401246;phf;i was looking into buying land in Pennsylvania for the purposes of turning it into a kind of hippie retreat, kesey's "La Honda" style, and the amount of hoops you need to jump through in order to arrive at a cookie cutter american suburbs solution (and nothing else possible)  is insane
1478873;1465401267;asciilifeform;and as soon as somebody is caught with meth or whatever on it, it's gone.
1478874;1465401292;phf;as soon as the neighboor sees a naked girl, complains to authorities
1478875;1465401304;asciilifeform;then merely extortionate fines.
1478876;1465401401;asciilifeform;state of wv has some (nominally) unencumbered land, but you will need tracked vehicle to get to it.
1478877;1465401406;phf;oh, you want to have a welding shop on your property, that's forms a,b,c,d and auxilary form e. naturally there will be inspection
1478878;1465401461;phf;yeah, there were a few options, but too far of a drive from philadelphia. now that i'm in dc, i might take a stab at wv
1478879;1465401483;asciilifeform;wv is only really a solution if you're buying the lands to go there alone and shoot yer kalash at trees
1478880;1465401503;asciilifeform;as soon as you invite strangers ('casual acquaintances') all bets - off.
1478881;1465401533;asciilifeform;some chick breaks a leg, or wakes up with regrets - yer done.
1478882;1465401619;asciilifeform;if you're rich enough that parcel of land being confiscated is no big deal, like a pocket knife stolen by inspectors at airport - go, buy.
1478883;1465401645;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu once said that even he still owned something in usa, and can't even be arsed to liquidate
1478884;1465401650;asciilifeform;(possibly i dreamed this)
1478885;1465401770;phf;well, there are places on the east coast that get away with all kinds of things, between waivers, a legitimate cause, friendly neighboors, landscape, etc.
1478886;1465401794;phf;perhaps i could apprentice at one of those operations first
1478887;1465401804;asciilifeform;probably better idea
1478888;1465401820;asciilifeform;than perma-buying first and rocking boat after.
1478889;1465401933;phf;for example, i'm going to http://www.4qf.org coming weekend. place throws all kinds of insane parties (used to have the best east coast psy trance party before organizers moved elsewhere), but they presumably do that in addition to their default offering of what looks like "earth mother gaia healing" nonsense
1478890;1465401973;asciilifeform;l0l orlov goes to that one iirc.
1478891;1465401980;asciilifeform;you may very well run into him.
1478892;1465401981;phf;ha, they are registered as a church
1478893;1465401985;asciilifeform;give my regards.
1478894;1465402016;asciilifeform;you can actually get some surprising mileage by registering as a religion in usa
1478895;1465402041;asciilifeform;but unless your 'church' is actually popular, or politically inoffensive, it tends to have problems.
1478896;1465402055;asciilifeform;(see the case of, e.g., peyote church, or davidians, or...)
1478897;1465402073;phf;cue church of subgenius
1478898;1465402103;asciilifeform;afaik state of the art is 'church-mafia hybrid' model, e.g., scientology
1478899;1465402120;asciilifeform;infiltrate fbi, run uppity heretics over with bulldozers at night, etc.
1478900;1465402147;trinque;now there's a success story... scientology
1478901;1465402149;trinque;great job guys.
1478902;1465402180;asciilifeform;afaik: 0 usg raids to date. 0 tax paid. 0 problemz.
1478903;1465402186;asciilifeform;own motherfucking navy.
1478904;1465402200;asciilifeform;~that~ is how you run a cult.
1478905;1465402207;asciilifeform;it wouldn't surprise me if they had a nuke.
1478906;1465402216;asciilifeform;or other 'insurance policy.'
1478907;1465402318;davout;on the downside they have tom cruise
1478908;1465402328;asciilifeform;and maxint other cattle
1478909;1465402351;asciilifeform;that's the general downside, and not only for churches but any other org that runs on cattle money.
1478910;1465402360;asciilifeform;: it has to actually deal with the cattle.
1478911;1465402436;davout;kind of like saying a farmer's job downside is having to deal with the cows
1478912;1465402445;asciilifeform;it is though.
1478913;1465402462;phf;why would they need to? their whole set of processes is designed to produce a healthy productive member of society (double positive intention), they are ultimatley aligned with whatever establishment they find themselves in
1478914;1465402483;asciilifeform;phf: you're thinking of an official state church
1478915;1465402528;asciilifeform;a setup like scientology has no particular need to be 'ecologically clean', can work the chumps to exhaustion
1478916;1465402535;asciilifeform;for so long as new ones can be had.
1478917;1465402555;phf;i'm saying "why would they need a nuke"
1478918;1465402571;asciilifeform;insurance against wacoing.
1478919;1465402574;trinque;they blackmailed usg into giving them tax exempt status
1478920;1465402578;phf;if judaica is good at producing bankers, then sci is perfect for making junior ass lickers
1478921;1465402611;phf;and thereone thing any bureaucratic system craves
1478922;1465402613;phf;err
1478923;1465402627;phf;and if there's one thing that any bureaucratic system craves it's junior ass lickers
1478924;1465402645;asciilifeform;afaik they build narrowly-specialized arse lickers
1478925;1465402655;asciilifeform;that aren't necessarily usable elsewhere.
1478926;1465402671;trinque;can't really judge scientology by its slaves
1478927;1465402719;asciilifeform;i am not mega-expert on it, but did at one point (by accident, even) end up in their museum in washington.
1478928;1465402722;asciilifeform;it was quite lulzy.
1478929;1465402742;trinque;for someone with the money/power, it's a tax haven. donate cash to scientology and then spend it through the church.
1478930;1465402746;asciilifeform;also lulzy is that their cult object is a 1940s-style 'lie detector'
1478931;1465402751;trinque;and if you're nobody, you're there to be worked to death and eaten
1478932;1465402756;asciilifeform;i can imagine that a modern cult could be built around, e.g., mri machine.
1478933;1465402773;asciilifeform;trinque: aha as per yesterday's thread re yudkowsky.
1478934;1465402869;asciilifeform;i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
1478935;1465402884;asciilifeform;'i will be a chump but if i play cards right, i will have sub-chumps...' ??
1478936;1465402904;phf;i think there are different levels and roles within the system, but i know for a fact that sci people are effective at bureaucrat, there's a number of them at capitol hill, doing internships with senators... (if we haven't before, t-a is now definitely suppresive)
1478937;1465402910;asciilifeform;or is it simply that 'civilized society' is so loathesome that ANY alternative is welcome.
1478938;1465402920;asciilifeform;phf: l0l aha
1478939;1465403022;phf;while at it, let's also mention that pilot's self clearing book has some handy nlp's style exercises, and will give you a general idea as to what sci core training is about (sealing the deal on the whole suppresive thing)
1478940;1465403426;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> state of wv has some (nominally) unencumbered land, but you will need tracked vehicle to get to it. << This is problem why? Tracked vehicle seems like small cost.
1478941;1465403451;asciilifeform;granted i have nfi what is or is not 'small cost' to phf.
1478942;1465403999;phf;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6F_ApUq-c bunnie does a shenzhen documentary for wired
1478943;1465404209;trinque;The silicon valley of hardware << L0L
1478944;1465404308;trinque;how bout the valley is the shenzen of useless apps and ponzis
1478945;1465406413;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 7825107835 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'ich_der_paul@web.de <ich_der_paul@web.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0EC2595B3A73D6A0E4E6FADA533889C908187FAF397A6D09DB6E0748891CB69D
1478946;1465408506;shinohai;https://github.com/luke-jr/bips/commit/62a82092687d235ba48c9d0a77c9de56657c77a8
1478947;1465408723;asciilifeform;'The encryption does not include an identity authentication scheme. This BIP does not cover a proposal to avoid MITM attacks during the encryption initialization.' << lel wastin' our time.
1478948;1465408768;asciilifeform;re: earlier thread, am i the only one who is slightly astonished that scientology does not yet - afaik - have own altcoin ?
1478949;1465408806;mircea_popescu;so for some reason, argentina envelopes don't have any glue. so they fucking staple them shut.
1478950;1465408813;asciilifeform;nowai
1478951;1465408821;asciilifeform;this puts them behind sov state of the art.
1478952;1465408830;mircea_popescu;i got here a pile of utility bills stapled into loose envelopes.
1478953;1465408846;shinohai;Weird.
1478954;1465408847;*;asciilifeform floored, wordless.
1478955;1465408914;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478856 << this is actually a pretty good point innit.
1478956;1465408914;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 15:43 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478846 << defect in man that could be 'fixed by whipping enough' is effectively permanent. just like, e.g., a defective cpu, might be hypothetically fixable with an ion beam machine, but NOBODY would ever even think of bothering.
1478957;1465409012;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478860 << see this is the problem, now you need it more than before, because the more leverage, the more small defects end up magnified. but, the bitch is, now you also can more than before avoid this responsibility. and since people do what they want rather than what they need...
1478958;1465409012;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 15:47 phf: perhaps when there was less leverage, it made sense to apply whipping enough to men, now you need not bother, have all kinds of tools
1478959;1465409191;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478878 << nfi why you'd prop land values in us with all that effort.
1478960;1465409191;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 15:57 phf: yeah, there were a few options, but too far of a drive from philadelphia. now that i'm in dc, i might take a stab at wv
1478961;1465409244;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478934 <<< people see that "someone wants to help them"
1478962;1465409244;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
1478963;1465409265;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478899 << at the very least get a senator.
1478964;1465409265;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 16:08 asciilifeform: infiltrate fbi, run uppity heretics over with bulldozers at night, etc.
1478965;1465409281;davout;just put your hands on these secret electrods, buy these books to reach level 1 and put your check in the box
1478966;1465409296;davout;*electrodes
1478967;1465409346;mircea_popescu;tbh i never met anyone who was into the dumb shit. imo it's an 80s thing.
1478968;1465409350;mircea_popescu;i equally can't explain the hair.
1478969;1465409384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: best as i can tell it has ~0 traction outside of usa now.
1478970;1465409405;mircea_popescu;well basically what is it IN the us, a sort of central casting for cheap white maids ?
1478971;1465409432;mircea_popescu;iirc that was the whole shebang, get have-been hollywood stars to "join" in exchange for getting a few white slaves allocated.
1478972;1465409443;asciilifeform;at one point - a sort of paramilitary / mafia thing, even.
1478973;1465409445;asciilifeform;today - ???.
1478974;1465409449;mircea_popescu;speaks loudly of what a shitty deal the us is to begin with.
1478975;1465409479;asciilifeform;their 'join' is tax-writeoff tho.
1478976;1465409485;asciilifeform;so - complicated.
1478977;1465409548;deedbot;[Qntra] Social Media App Interaction Times Decline - http://qntra.net/2016/06/social-media-app-interaction-times-decline/
1478978;1465409565;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478934 << boredom, quest for "meaning", human desire to belong, what.
1478979;1465409565;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 asciilifeform: i admit, i've always been fascinated with the folks who show up to be eaten. what motivates them? is it something like the participants in pyramid scheme ?
1478980;1465409577;mircea_popescu;what makes womenz "want to get married an have childrenz"
1478981;1465409590;asciilifeform;'i'm boooored.' 'i'ma pound a nail through my scrotum'
1478982;1465409609;mircea_popescu;yup.
1478983;1465409611;mircea_popescu;this occurs.
1478984;1465409614;mircea_popescu;phf what's t-a ?
1478985;1465409614;asciilifeform;nuts.
1478986;1465409624;asciilifeform;trilema-assets, clearly!11111111
1478987;1465409641;asciilifeform;(titcoin-assets??)
1478988;1465409684;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478944 << or wants to be.
1478989;1465409684;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 16:45 trinque: how bout the valley is the shenzen of useless apps and ponzis
1478990;1465409696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478936 ?
1478991;1465409696;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 16:21 phf: i think there are different levels and roles within the system, but i know for a fact that sci people are effective at bureaucrat, there's a number of them at capitol hill, doing internships with senators... (if we haven't before, t-a is now definitely suppresive)
1478992;1465409711;mircea_popescu;what's supressive then.
1478993;1465409764;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478942 << who's bunnie, and look at that, 2k views. wired is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478650
1478994;1465409764;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 02:36 mircea_popescu: ie, more "visits" than average usg fishwrap gets in a week. none of them yielded anything ~whatsoever~, which discorages exactly no one.
1478995;1465409764;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: scientology internal term for 'work of the devil'
1478996;1465409764;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 16:39 phf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp6F_ApUq-c bunnie does a shenzhen documentary for wired
1478997;1465409826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh, so we're scientology-bad ? why ?
1478998;1465409860;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they have a roughly nsa-like relationship with folks who discuss their 'trade seeekrits' in whatever public context.
1478999;1465409866;asciilifeform;or once did, anyway.
1479000;1465409870;mircea_popescu;oh
1479001;1465409889;mircea_popescu;know-nothing party eh ?
1479002;1465409901;asciilifeform;or like old-school seekrit societies etc.
1479003;1465409928;asciilifeform;bunnie is 'bunnie' huang, (at one point) well-known reverse engineer who cracked game consoles etc.
1479004;1465409947;mircea_popescu;aha
1479005;1465411646;ben_vulpes;http://66.media.tumblr.com/9f9e82d2796baa356cc2b6bfa5e8b28e/tumblr_inline_o8bp9qj4DY1raprkq_500.gif
1479006;1465412629;shinohai;I'll take "Thing you might see in mircea_popescu's beasement" for 0.5 BTC, Alex. http://i.4cdn.org/b/1465410271608.webm
1479007;1465413752;mircea_popescu;nice oiling.
1479008;1465414454;shinohai;;;later tell http://ix.io/QlF  <<< possibly lulzy enough for inclusion
1479009;1465414455;gribble;Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
1479010;1465414466;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/QlF  <<< possibly lulzy enough for inclusion
1479011;1465414467;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1479012;1465414470;shinohai;grrr
1479013;1465415252;deedbot;[Qntra] Rural Police Recapture Funds Liberated In Social Engineering Coup - http://qntra.net/2016/06/rural-police-recapture-funds-liberated-in-social-engineering-coup/
1479014;1465415593;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1479015;1465415649;shinohai;And I thank you. Incredible that public officials blindly send funds like that.
1479016;1465416107;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/u6XGovm.jpg
1479017;1465416190;mircea_popescu;kinda how these scams work.
1479018;1465416190;shinohai;lulz
1479019;1465416596;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1479006 << incidentally, that's a fucking c section innit.
1479020;1465416596;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 19:03 shinohai: I'll take "Thing you might see in mircea_popescu's beasement" for 0.5 BTC, Alex. http://i.4cdn.org/b/1465410271608.webm
1479021;1465416635;shinohai;Good eye Mr. P
1479022;1465416769;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, https://imgur.com/gallery/lE5JRPy
1479023;1465418146;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1479006 << dead link ?
1479024;1465418146;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 19:03 shinohai: I'll take "Thing you might see in mircea_popescu's beasement" for 0.5 BTC, Alex. http://i.4cdn.org/b/1465410271608.webm
1479025;1465418505;shinohai;Yeah, that's 4chan.
1479026;1465419385;shinohai;>tfw Erik Voorhees gets a reddit ban
1479027;1465419402;BingoBoingo;OH?
1479028;1465419429;shinohai;http://archive.is/I203O   <<< vote brigading
1479029;1465419446;shinohai;http://moneyandstate.com/mea-culpa/
1479030;1465419455;deedbot;[Qntra] US Loses 40% Of Women To Mayo Gender Transition - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-loses-40-of-women-to-mayo-gender-transition/
1479031;1465419627;trinque;Today it was me who was wrong. << cannot help but read this in the voice of randy marsh
1479032;1465419849;asciilifeform;was voorhees ~always~ scum or was he hit once too many in the head or what .
1479033;1465420053;shinohai;Always scum imho
1479034;1465420137;asciilifeform;iirc he was well-regarded in #b-a at one point (but largely before my time)
1479035;1465420203;BingoBoingo;Sometimes stupid takes time to reveal itself if the package is polished and the rest of the crowd is covered in shit it can be hard to discern the smell of shit inside the box.
1479036;1465420348;asciilifeform;ftr, what i said re voorhees's dice in feb. '13: 'Satoshi Dice is a can of worms which almost deserves its own discussion.  It is, at its core, a simple “numbers game.”  That is to say, an industrial-strength harvester of chump money, precisely the kind of thing which Popescu expresses his disdain for at every opportunity. But listing its stock on MPEx does not bother him, because there are suff
1479037;1465420354;asciilifeform;iciently many layers of isolation between him and the chumps.'
1479038;1465420459;asciilifeform;sdice was a pretty good 'torture test' of the network tho!
1479039;1465420639;asciilifeform;but after that, voorhees moved on to illustrious career of spamming, mlm, and usg collaboaration..
1479040;1465420642;asciilifeform;*collaboration
1479041;1465420841;shinohai;And playing the victim to anyone that will listen, ala Roger Ver.
1479042;1465421241;asciilifeform;imho that's the peculiar thing
1479043;1465421249;asciilifeform;wtf did the man do with his mountain of coin?
1479044;1465421255;asciilifeform;blew on vodka ?
1479045;1465421507;shinohai;I dunno re: voorhees. Ver seems to have poured his into some shitty gambling page on his btc site.
1479046;1465422967;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1479047;1465422972;gribble;Current Blocks: 415411 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1900 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1479048;1465423130;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, losts of people started with very promising qualities ended up making all the wrong choices.
1479049;1465423153;mircea_popescu;is old trilema article, re rocks and birds, and envying people.
1479050;1465423263;asciilifeform;the one where 'and then the stone convinced the animals of the forest to throw him up into the air' ?
1479051;1465423279;mircea_popescu;haha nah, the one with this guy's daughter.
1479052;1465423282;mircea_popescu;lemme fish it out
1479053;1465423321;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/chiar-nu-ma-agita-chestiunea/
1479054;1465423407;mircea_popescu;companion piece to http://trilema.com/2010/moartea-ca-o-veste-buna/ which is the exact same story in the other perspective.
1479055;1465423547;asciilifeform;hm i recall this for some reason
1479056;1465423553;asciilifeform;it must have come up in another piece
1479057;1465423566;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's dead phriend
1479058;1465423696;asciilifeform;and, if i read correctly, his descendants live in rent
1479059;1465423712;asciilifeform;but this is not entirely applicable to btc planet - unlike fiatola, it does not evaporate at room temperature
1479060;1465423770;mircea_popescu;the difference between theory and practice is that in practice theory wears anal retractors.
1479061;1465423790;asciilifeform;retractors??
1479062;1465423839;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitcoin Difficulty Dials Back 1.63% - http://qntra.net/2016/06/bitcoin-difficulty-dials-back-1-63/
1479063;1465423856;mircea_popescu;$google retractor
1479064;1465423862;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retractor_(medical) << Retractor (medical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.dictionary.com/browse/retractor << Retractor | Define Retractor at Dictionary.com | http://www.extron.com/ccretractor-nf1089as << Extron Cable Cubby Series/2 - Retractor
1479065;1465423889;asciilifeform;hm.
1479066;1465423921;mircea_popescu;should prolly have googled for "anal retractor", they're pretty... elaborate.
1479067;1465423942;mircea_popescu;$google graham-stewart retractor
1479068;1465423950;deedbot;http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-football/hc-uconn-football-graham-stewart-1115-20151114-story.html << Graham Stewart Tackles The Hard Jobs For UConn - Hartford Courant | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Stuart_(politician) << Graham Stuart (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.uconnhuskies.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/graham_stewart_810042.html << Graham Stewart
1479069;1465423962;mircea_popescu;aww.
1479070;1465423969;mircea_popescu;$google parks retractor
1479071;1465423975;deedbot;http://www.cssurgical.com/parks-anal-retractor << Park's Anal Retractor | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9293932 << Influence of Parks' anal retractor on anal sphincter pressures. | http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02050926 << Influence of Parks' anal retractor on anal sphincter pressures ...
1479072;1465423995;asciilifeform;for some reason, whenever i think of 'early adopters' and voorheeses who 'lost it all', i think of the proverbial monkey trap with the gourd full of goodies
1479073;1465424000;mircea_popescu;most women sexually active in the 70s had a very similar looking piece. for curving eyelashes.
1479074;1465424006;asciilifeform;where he grabs a bunch and can't get hand out, and then hunter comes
1479075;1465424250;asciilifeform;the 'thrown rock' is a good point.
1479076;1465424257;asciilifeform;as in the threads re lottery winners.
1479077;1465424289;mircea_popescu;and let us laugh together for a moment : http://buenosaires.backpage.com/Events/ http://buenosaires.backpage.com/Bars/
1479078;1465424293;mircea_popescu;too much nightlyfe!
1479079;1465424296;asciilifeform;and iirc many (most?) lottery winners go broke precisely from inept attempts to attach wings and engine to their rock.
1479080;1465424345;asciilifeform;('investing' in idiocies of 'friends', relatives)
1479081;1465424392;mircea_popescu;hey, paul graham was harping about how "that's important" and "the core of america's prosperity", that he and the rest of his inept friends, govt lottery winners, "invest" and so cause economic growth
1479082;1465424406;asciilifeform;even he had article on precisely this!
1479083;1465424407;mircea_popescu;meanwhile they're all poor like church mice, and somehow they can't afford the paper to publish the retraction.
1479084;1465424410;asciilifeform;(before going moron)
1479085;1465424432;mircea_popescu;funny how this works, with inept kids. first it's all "but i wouldn't shoot without a cause, i'd gun nobody down"
1479086;1465424441;mircea_popescu;then as the blood's fattening the dust, it's all silent.
1479087;1465424454;mircea_popescu;where the fuck'\s the part where the idiot goes "oh, NOW i get what mom meant!"
1479088;1465424475;mircea_popescu;"i thought she meant she's affraid for the world on my account! honest i did! but no, turns out..."
1479089;1465424514;asciilifeform;http://paulgraham.com/selfindulgence.html << where he discusses falling rocks
1479090;1465424550;asciilifeform;'In most people's minds, spending money on luxuries sets off alarms that making investments doesn't. Luxuries seem self-indulgent. And unless you got the money by inheriting it or winning a lottery, you've already been thoroughly trained that self-indulgence leads to trouble. Investing bypasses those alarms. You're not spending the money; you're just moving it from one asset to another. Which is why
1479091;1465424556;asciilifeform; people trying to sell you expensive things say "it's an investment."'
1479092;1465424670;mircea_popescu;"most people" being anglo-protestants.
1479093;1465424712;asciilifeform;how's that? eskimo will blow maxint on coke and not even blink ?
1479094;1465424777;mircea_popescu;russian certainly will.
1479095;1465424789;asciilifeform;the way i read pg's thing, it was reasonably sane, hypothesis being that bad investment is more like pouring petron into a leaky tank, you don't ~think~ you've destroyed it
1479096;1465424808;asciilifeform;whereas buying and snorting the coke - is unambiguous spend
1479097;1465424815;asciilifeform;*petrol
1479098;1465424819;mircea_popescu;there's more things that sound reasonable than there's reason to go around.
1479099;1465424857;asciilifeform;since when is sanity a conserved quantity.
1479100;1465425055;mircea_popescu;i dunno, since year 6100 after creation ?
1479101;1465425062;asciilifeform;lel
1479102;1465425082;mircea_popescu;in other happy news, industrial strength and size tin foil here (1km) comes wrapped around this lovely hard cardboard roll that actually makes a fucking great beating implement!
1479103;1465425127;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu bought 1km of foil?! did he also buy 1km of plastic wrap ?
1479104;1465425134;asciilifeform;will make supercapacitor?!
1479105;1465425145;mircea_popescu;i bought more plastic wrap than that.
1479106;1465425153;asciilifeform;(charge with 'D' battery, kill a grown man)
1479107;1465425154;mircea_popescu;you have any idea how much metrage goes into wrapping one single girl ?
1479108;1465425211;asciilifeform;iirc somebody sells a handy shrinkwrap gizmo for this
1479109;1465425230;asciilifeform;gurl wears a snorkel
1479110;1465425246;mircea_popescu;pro memoria : if she's even marginally worth fucking, there's going to be 40+ inches which is more than 1 meter around various points.
1479111;1465425352;mircea_popescu;but come to think about it, you're damned right, could re-roll 1km of hard tin foil + plastic wrap on an empty roll, charge it and kill whoever.
1479112;1465425364;mircea_popescu;talk about unexpected weapons.
1479113;1465425397;asciilifeform;for best lulz, can charge w/out battery entirely
1479114;1465425403;asciilifeform;solely friction.
1479115;1465425428;mircea_popescu;the jack off tabernacle. rub for jesus!
1479116;1465425466;asciilifeform;hand cranked drill worx
1479117;1465425508;asciilifeform;dun need no stinkin' modern electronix, see, to make trouble.
1479118;1465425671;mircea_popescu;alternatively, could just connect it to airplane body frame, see what happenes.
1479119;1465425692;asciilifeform;nuffin
1479120;1465425716;mircea_popescu;maybe the windows reboots.
1479121;1465425760;*;asciilifeform brb
1479122;1465426026;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, http://images.craigslist.org/00o0o_jeSB1gWJYbQ_600x450.jpg
1479123;1465426505;BingoBoingo;In other craigslist: lol nope https://stlouis.craigslist.org/lbg/5625555192.html
1479124;1465426526;BingoBoingo;No way in fuck is that shit grass.
1479125;1465426550;mircea_popescu;so cut his astroturf for 10 bux :D
1479126;1465426552;BingoBoingo;lots of clover, henbit, and bugleweed but grass is conspicuously absent
1479127;1465426637;BingoBoingo;~225 usd and I'd turn it into grass this fall when its planting time ~350 usd I'd even return in the spring to make sure it is still grass over summer 2017
1479128;1465426681;BingoBoingo;But that weedpatch is at least 10 USD in gas away from anyone with a motor vehicle capable of transporting a mower.
1479129;1465426709;BingoBoingo;*anyone with such a vehicle that isn't making better money burning down houses to steal the brick*
1479130;1465426721;shinohai;Is sale of supposed Louisiana driver's license db on darknet worth a writeup BingoBoingo ?
1479131;1465426741;BingoBoingo;Maybe? Anyone cool have a louisiana driver's license?
1479132;1465426773;shinohai;I personally don't know anyone there.
1479133;1465426839;BingoBoingo;I guess it's worth a mention if you keep it short and end it with "Was this yet another social media liberation by Peace? Him in our time."
1479134;1465426863;BingoBoingo;And if the leak is legit.
1479135;1465426883;BingoBoingo;But if its an unverifiable sale prolly not.
1479136;1465426899;shinohai;There seems to be a sample that was leaked, could easily be faked however.
1479137;1465426919;BingoBoingo;yeah, boring
1479138;1465426935;BingoBoingo;;;later tell phf How good are you with motors https://stlouis.craigslist.org/lbg/5625233326.html
1479139;1465426935;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1479140;1465426984;shinohai;Yeah think I will watch it and see if any more verifiable info leaks.
1479141;1465427357;BingoBoingo;Incredibru opportunity for people who want to https://stlouis.craigslist.org/evg/5624774786.html
1479142;1465427472;mircea_popescu;nubiansufi.com ?
1479143;1465427505;trinque;NUBIAN SUFI.COM  is your  Global  E-Commerce Genies and 24/ 7  IT  Magi  for small business upgrades!  We are also bringing Entrepreneur programs  for the  financial upliftment  of the people through Global Income attainment  and new age technological  enlightenment for the Enrichment of the People.   To put it simple,....The People's Wish is our Digital Command!
1479144;1465427507;trinque;seems legit
1479145;1465427509;phf;that motors gig looks cool
1479146;1465427536;shinohai;The dindu security job however, not so good.
1479147;1465427548;mircea_popescu;trinque so basically this is the cheap bullshit neoprotestand idiots have been inflicting upon africa for a few decades, come home to roost.
1479148;1465427571;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And like in africa they are actually organizing a militia this time!
1479149;1465427638;trinque;funny thing is they probably thing it sounds dumb *coming from them*
1479150;1465427640;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPLdTLR630U same dude
1479151;1465427642;trinque;*think
1479152;1465427666;shinohai;Jerry Seinfeld doing an AMA tonite. If it wasn't on reddit ...
1479153;1465427727;mircea_popescu;"what's it like to have nothing to say"
1479154;1465428922;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1479155;1465428932;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 582.77, vol: 3272.34711430 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.75, vol: 5006.73578 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 582.6799999999999, vol: 18185.43802444 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 565.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 590.167476, vol: 30573.94460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 581.98, vol: 1367.06674594 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 587.0485, vol: 40.31194395 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
1479156;1465428934;BingoBoingo;;;more
1479157;1465428935;gribble;585.395189016
1479158;1465432298;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the motor thing sounded appealing until it mentioned other people being present
1479159;1465432417;BingoBoingo;Hence the referral to phf who mentioned earlier wanting people present in a "nowhere"
1479160;1465452473;BingoBoingo;$up mats
1479161;1465452475;deedbot;mats voiced for 30 minutes.
1479162;1465476247;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1479163;1465476252;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 581.0, vol: 3253.05603877 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 567.001, vol: 4540.09518 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 580.46, vol: 22044.37312351 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 565.0, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 587.824695, vol: 26763.66990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 579.79, vol: 1030.18663655 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 586.67706, vol: 43.42071033 | Volume-weighted last average: 582.841239215
1479164;1465480748;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo et al: http://www.news9.com/story/32168555/ohp-uses-new-device-to-seize-money-used-during-the-commission-of-a-crime << lulzy
1479165;1465480795;asciilifeform;' If a trooper suspects you may have money tied to some type of crime, the highway patrol can scan any cards you have and seize the money. "We're gonna look for different factors in the way that you're acting,” Oklahoma Highway Patrol Lt. John Vincent said. “We're gonna look for if there's a difference in your story. If there's someway that we can prove that you're falsifying information to us about your business."'
1479166;1465480814;asciilifeform;'News 9 obtained a copy of the contract with the state. It shows the state is paying ERAD Group Inc., $5,000 for the software and scanners, then 7.7 percent of all the cash the highway patrol seizes.'
1479167;1465480919;asciilifeform;http://oklahomawatch.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/files/2016/06/ERADContractBid.pdf << what appears to be the contract.
1479168;1465480988;asciilifeform;automated account emptiers. lulzy.
1479169;1465481065;shinohai;"We are proud to introduce this new tool to help you steal from citizens in a moar efficient manner."
1479170;1465481130;asciilifeform;the peculiar, imho, thing, is that somehow tradition requires american police to actually charge folks who are taken to a police station. and so it is now important to rob them ~without~ arresting.
1479171;1465481150;asciilifeform;also helps throughput!1111
1479172;1465481174;shinohai;That's always been the case with asset forfeiture laws though.
1479173;1465481329;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu were awake, he would probably describe the process as 'what the fuck is so surprising, gas let into an empty container will fill it' or similar. nobody is blowing up the police stations in response, so there is no back-pressure and usg can do whatever.
1479174;1465481354;mircea_popescu;^
1479175;1465481364;mircea_popescu;not their money anyway.
1479176;1465481365;asciilifeform;usg is just finding the ~new~ laffer curve!11111111111
1479177;1465481382;asciilifeform;ah and there he is!
1479178;1465481389;*;asciilifeform switches off emulated mircea_popescutron
1479179;1465481420;shinohai;In other not-news, this new "Ubuntu inside Winblowze" thing automatically sets all your file permissions to 777
1479180;1465481443;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha
1479181;1465481448;asciilifeform;Run Moar Linblowz.
1479182;1465481577;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479175 <<<< aha: >>>> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-22#1249081
1479183;1465481577;a111;Logged on 2015-08-22 22:07 mircea_popescu: for the record, it's not even clear moving from bearer to certified insturment is anti-liberty. for insmtance - hansa used the certifierd instrument greatly, because as a merchant, giving your son a plain "pay the bearer so much silver upon presentation of this note in such town" was merely an invitation to any highwayman on route to "please fuck this young man in the ass and here's the pay for your trouble"
1479184;1465481577;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 14:09 mircea_popescu: not their money anyway.
1479185;1465482521;deedbot;[Trilema] Rag. Arturo De Fanti, bancario precario - http://trilema.com/2016/rag-arturo-de-fanti-bancario-precario/
1479186;1465483665;asciilifeform;it would be interesting imho to learn how the credit card automatic plunderator works:
1479187;1465483676;asciilifeform;... does it shit out $1 transactions until one bounces ?
1479188;1465483690;asciilifeform;this seems unlikely, because american prepaid cardz typically have a tx fee
1479189;1465483712;asciilifeform;so it stands to reason that it probably recogizes major brands of card and dials in to determine the balance
1479190;1465483722;asciilifeform;so as to snarf it out in one shot.
1479191;1465483922;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473246 .
1479192;1465483922;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 14:42 mircea_popescu: how is this stance different from "the nazi military police can't find as many gypos as they used to, so therefore flaying alive of gypsies for fun should be regarded as aperfectly normal passtime, and in no sense wrong, even if it was rare before"
1479193;1465484084;asciilifeform;now where was that suetonius thing
1479194;1465484119;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-need-bitcoin-simply-put/#selection-167.0-173.283
1479195;1465484398;asciilifeform;and,
1479196;1465484425;asciilifeform;'...there are many, many people whose stock in trade is their use of violence, in offense or defense. No matter what else happens, they will be employed, or self-employed... In Russia, there was a period of years during which the police was basically not functioning: they had no equipment, no budget, and their salaries were not sufficient for survival. Murders went unsolved, muggings and burglaries were not even investigated. The pol
1479197;1465484425;asciilifeform;ice could only survive through graft...' << from orlol,
1479198;1465484439;asciilifeform;( megaclassic, http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/071805_soviet_lessons_part3.shtml )
1479199;1465484463;asciilifeform;^ soooo it appears that the process is farther along in rural shitholes like oklahoma, than in the inhabited usa
1479200;1465484467;asciilifeform;which is a mega-unsurprise.
1479201;1465484623;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Oklahomo isn't even rural. Rural has farms and the pastoral life. Oklohomo is just a drive thru obstacle with its fucking toll roads and meth heads.
1479202;1465484665;BingoBoingo;Even the ozarks have tourism, Oklohomo lacks a Branson.
1479203;1465484668;asciilifeform;'rural shithole' is simply shithole that is dark from the satellite camera.
1479204;1465484671;asciilifeform;like north kr.
1479205;1465484674;asciilifeform;vs the other kind of shithole.
1479206;1465484759;asciilifeform;american rural doesn't even have much to do with pastoral/village life etc.
1479207;1465484791;asciilifeform;consider, in coastal usa you can still go to a few dozen kinds of shop, but in the flyoverlands you're stuck with универмаг^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hlolmart
1479208;1465484829;asciilifeform;the sovietization, in the most comical sense of the word, is nearly total, complete with hruschev's corn.
1479209;1465484914;asciilifeform;~actual~ rural folk, who grow own food, make own tools, and don't need the mega-state for anything, were recognized as a thread and mostly bugsprayed eons ago.
1479210;1465484920;asciilifeform;*threat
1479211;1465485007;trinque;myup, the grandchildren of the generation that knew how to do that spends their time getting fat on walmart groceries and posting on facebook about "freedom ain't free"
1479212;1465485112;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i am curious re the role meth plays.
1479213;1465485127;asciilifeform;it always seems to figure in tales of american 'flyover.'
1479214;1465485153;trinque;maybe it makes malnutrition feel better
1479215;1465485158;asciilifeform;who takes it? and why? and why it and not some other dope.
1479216;1465485190;BingoBoingo;It plays the same role heroin does on the coasts. Turns potential redditors into creatures out of "James Lafond Presents"
1479217;1465485195;asciilifeform;meth was discovered by ru underground folk in the late '80s. on account of being quickly and easily made from materials commonly sold at the time.
1479218;1465485220;asciilifeform;but my understanding is that there was NO 'market' in the usual sense of the word. you wanted some - you made some.
1479219;1465485260;BingoBoingo;And so it works, or is said to work largely that way in USistan
1479220;1465485278;asciilifeform;iirc it is mostly made in mexico now.
1479221;1465485304;BingoBoingo;Mostly from lack of access to inputs.
1479222;1465485323;BingoBoingo;But when inputs are available methfolk tend to steal them because Phree drugz
1479223;1465485379;asciilifeform;eh nobody stole it in 1940s when it was sold at the bubble gum counter.
1479224;1465485381;BingoBoingo;The Mexican meth largely serves to keep anyone from quietly becoming mega drug kingpin
1479225;1465485400;BingoBoingo;Sure
1479226;1465485418;BingoBoingo;you can say nobody stole, but there's always kids shoplifting
1479227;1465485450;asciilifeform;wasn't a 'can't display this, will be stolen 5min later' situation.
1479228;1465485480;asciilifeform;for non-us folk: today you can't buy a few milligram of pseudoephedrine against running nose, without filling out a form.
1479229;1465485502;BingoBoingo;Anyways in the 40's all the drug products weren't on the counter next to the bubble gum. You had to talk to the pharmacist because otherwise he got lonely.
1479230;1465485534;asciilifeform;after ww2 surplus meth was sold ~everywhere.
1479231;1465485544;asciilifeform;didn't really carch on until that time.
1479232;1465485546;asciilifeform;*catch
1479233;1465485632;BingoBoingo;Surplus meth also had to compete at phamacy/soda shop against midler stimulants like Benzedrine. Stimulants were the polite national obsession at the time.
1479234;1465485633;asciilifeform;i'm still quite unconvinced that empire is better off selling, e.g., the usual vodka, in shops, than meth.
1479235;1465485743;asciilifeform;consider how ww2 folk did ~not~ suffer the clinical horrors of the modern users.
1479236;1465485776;asciilifeform;this is on account of the well-known sequelae being largely effects of impurities, and secondarily - of lack of sleep, vs meth per se.
1479237;1465485818;asciilifeform;(e.g., your teeth will look ~precisely~ like 'methhead teeth' if... you stop brushing them.)
1479238;1465485839;asciilifeform;... or blow caustic smoke across them every day.
1479239;1465485934;asciilifeform;today's dope situation is quite analogous to, e.g., 18th c. english sailor's sex life - where the ~only kind of (straight!) sex you can have is, approx., with syphilitic whores, condomless
1479240;1465485980;asciilifeform;the 'sex is the devil's temptation' idiots have easy pickings in that climate.
1479241;1465486034;deedbot;[Qntra] Oklahomos Test Literal Due Process Circumvention Device For Electronic Seizures - http://qntra.net/2016/06/oklahomos-test-literal-due-process-circumvention-device-for-electronic-seizures/
1479242;1465486062;asciilifeform;not convincing, naturally, any sailors, but ~others~, into tolerating the protestant bullshit instead of burning with hot irons.
1479243;1465486091;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: oughta mention the royalty
1479244;1465486098;asciilifeform;y'know, the 7+% thing
1479245;1465486108;asciilifeform;that brings us back to 18th c. french state of the art re tax collection
1479246;1465486136;asciilifeform;(incidentally, didn't i predict the return of door-to-door tax collector ?! a few yrs ago.)
1479247;1465486157;BingoBoingo;That's standard for any US thing touching "law enforcement". Ankle monitors, fine collection X% always to vendor.
1479248;1465486549;danielpbarron;oklahoma has a true church -- if i were to move within the states, I'd prolly go there
1479249;1465486580;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: how many tank divisions it has ?
1479250;1465486592;asciilifeform;good anti-aircraft defenses ?
1479251;1465486621;danielpbarron;their defensive play is to flee if things got to such a point that a tank is necessary
1479252;1465486636;asciilifeform;flee to .. ?
1479253;1465486641;asciilifeform;mars ?
1479254;1465486656;shinohai;Pray tornado comes and send you to merry land of Oz ?
1479255;1465486707;BingoBoingo;That
1479256;1465486715;BingoBoingo;'s Kansas tornados
1479257;1465486778;danielpbarron;Darwin likened it to the time king David fled Saul
1479258;1465486837;BingoBoingo;Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
1479259;1465486888;danielpbarron;1 Samuel 21:12 Now David took these words to heart, and was very much afraid of Achish the king of Gath. 13 So he changed his behavior before them, pretended madness in their hands, scratched on the doors of the gate, and let his saliva fall down on his beard. << apparently even pretending insanity in order to stay with the neighboring people
1479260;1465487009;phf;i like how in u.s. "pharmacies" you can buy 50mg diphenhydramine as a sleep aid for a few cents a pill, and as an anti-hestamine for $20 for 10
1479261;1465487054;asciilifeform;phf: better still, ordinary cyanoacrylate glue for 50 cents a tube, but 'medical' - for $20+.
1479262;1465487063;danielpbarron;also, you ~do need to fill out paperwork to get pseudoaphedrine : driver's license is required
1479263;1465487103;phf;or that loratadine is available in 50 different branded variations, but its metabolite desloratadine you need a prescription for. every time i'd ask an allergist for one he'll say "just buy <loratadine brand> it's the same thing"
1479264;1465487119;danielpbarron;they scan you licence and make you agree to not use it to make meth
1479265;1465487125;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Anyways I think the US patched the "play crazy" exploit
1479266;1465487133;asciilifeform;(cyanoacrylate - 'super' - glue - is quite possibly the single greatest advance in wound suturing ever to happen, works great on everything from paper cut to 7.62x39-through-the-liver)
1479267;1465487141;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, just an example from history
1479268;1465487186;trinque;plea of insanity results in indefinite psych ward lockup afaik
1479269;1465487200;shinohai;I used superglue when I played guitar for callous enhancement.
1479270;1465487215;trinque;or leaving with a failing liver after you succumb to their pill pushing
1479271;1465487220;trinque;adlai: how you doing btw
1479272;1465487268;phf;asciilifeform: i opened up my heel at a beach last time and sent my friends to buy me supplies "i need tincture of iodine and cyanoacrylate glue please" "... maybe just some HealFastQuick-E instead???"
1479273;1465487290;asciilifeform;l0l
1479274;1465487320;asciilifeform;just travel with it. single-use syrette of 'superglue' keeps forever.
1479275;1465487391;asciilifeform;i always found it interesting how most american folk don't keep first aid kit, of even the most spartan sort, in their car
1479276;1465487426;asciilifeform;they will keep a man's weight's worth of empty coffee cups and other filth in there.
1479277;1465487436;trinque;that's too independently-minded; they'll 'just call 911'
1479278;1465487437;asciilifeform;but not a box with bandages, disinfectant, tourniquette, anything.
1479279;1465487455;BingoBoingo;No socket set either!
1479280;1465487462;*;trinque has both!
1479281;1465487465;trinque;and other toolz
1479282;1465487481;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the kind that removes wheels, comes with car
1479283;1465487486;asciilifeform;or what does BingoBoingo have in there.
1479284;1465487494;trinque;what about batteries, belts, so on
1479285;1465487498;trinque;might need others
1479286;1465487508;asciilifeform;trinque drives around with spare belts ?
1479287;1465487522;trinque;sure, they're small
1479288;1465487530;asciilifeform;often stop and change belt ?
1479289;1465487531;trinque;I have a station wagon so I have room for shit in the back
1479290;1465487541;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: 100 ish piece set of SAE and metric bits.
1479291;1465487542;asciilifeform;how about battery ? also spares ?
1479292;1465487543;trinque;hey man, you have your paranoia; I have mine
1479293;1465487545;trinque;:D
1479294;1465487559;asciilifeform;i imagine trinque spends much time in the desert
1479295;1465487560;trinque;no but jumper cables
1479296;1465487568;asciilifeform;^ afaik these come with car
1479297;1465487571;BingoBoingo;Hey, msot cars nowsdays only have one belt
1479298;1465487582;BingoBoingo;So belt isn't some mega imposition
1479299;1465487601;BingoBoingo;Though alternator and sometimes compressor have to come off to change it
1479300;1465487645;phf;i'm not sure how these kinds of liquids interact with tsa
1479301;1465487666;phf;which reminds me, i gotta sign up for that PRE shit..
1479302;1465487676;asciilifeform;phf: iirc tiny toothpaste-like items are permitted
1479303;1465487685;asciilifeform;phf: i signed up, it is ~scam
1479304;1465487695;asciilifeform;only works ~inside usa~ if you use particular airlines.
1479305;1465487698;asciilifeform;the most expensive ones.
1479306;1465487710;phf;oh it's airline dependant?
1479307;1465487721;phf;there's also "global entry" which i haven't looked into
1479308;1465487724;asciilifeform;the part that gets you out of inspections when traveling inside usa
1479309;1465487731;asciilifeform;the global entry thing was spiffy
1479310;1465487755;asciilifeform;when i came back from mircea_popescu's c3, they let me in past customs via the door the pilots use.
1479311;1465487777;phf;fwiw doing using ITA for booking i mostly get delta or american airlines for local flights anyway
1479312;1465487798;asciilifeform;then works
1479313;1465487851;asciilifeform;if you get the 'global' thing, iirc it comes with the other one.
1479314;1465487906;phf;"Includes the TSA Pre✓™ Experience"
1479315;1465487964;asciilifeform;i imagine in 20 yrs we'll be payin' for 'Police Pre✓™ Experience" where if you have membership card, they probe yer rectum with velvet, instead of hedgehog, gloves...
1479316;1465488379;phf;a range of Pre✓™ branded experiences. Taxes Pre✓™ where you fill out one form and pay slightly below average (but still not as much as an accountant would save you), Building Pre✓™ where you fill out one form and can build a mcmanshion on your property (but not any other kind of building), etc.
1479317;1465489141;asciilifeform;lel aha.
1479318;1465489268;trinque;hell I just got prequalified for some loans in my mail
1479319;1465489479;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/lead-poisoning-testing-gaps/ << lol, this nation of africa
1479320;1465489549;asciilifeform;pretty sure that darkest africa is ~ahead~ on the not-eating-lead score.
1479321;1465489555;asciilifeform;vs usa.
1479322;1465489607;trinque;I'm sure it is
1479323;1465489667;trinque;and of course they're arguing for more govt mandated medical screening rather than y'know, how bout we learn the millenia old magick of water piping and not shitting where we eat
1479324;1465489688;asciilifeform;trinque: that would cost actual 'turkey dollarz'
1479325;1465489691;asciilifeform;which usa doesn't have.
1479326;1465489697;asciilifeform;pipes dun replace themselves.
1479327;1465489765;phf;philadelphia is all led pipes so they just give you a little paper that lets you test the water for free, and then presumably move "elsewhere"
1479328;1465491595;BingoBoingo;$up vc
1479329;1465491598;deedbot;vc voiced for 30 minutes.
1479330;1465495579;trinque;asciilifeform: those card drainers might be doing a succession of rapid "auth" transactions against the card searching for the limit, then settling the transaction for the highest amount it can find that works
1479331;1465495610;asciilifeform;trinque: i'd imagine this would trigger the standard fraud freeze
1479332;1465495622;asciilifeform;unless, of course, they have exception hardcoded for autoplunderator co.
1479333;1465495658;trinque;yep true, by any route it seems to require someone selling the person out on the back end
1479334;1465495698;asciilifeform;trinque: not necessarily - if the card is prepaid, as these were, you can normally call the # on the back of the card (and often there is even a www form) and determine the balance
1479335;1465495704;asciilifeform;so the gadget may well include this function.
1479336;1465496328;BingoBoingo;In spammer domains blacklisted from qntra comments news: hamlet.stanford.edu
1479337;1465496362;shinohai;lol wut
1479338;1465496555;BingoBoingo;Someone got crazy loading up hamlet.stanford.edu with vietnamese spam links and putting them in spam comments to qntra, so blacklisted
1479339;1465496644;shinohai;I didn't do story on supposed twitter hack because unverifiable ... yet it is on front page of r/bitcoin.
1479340;1465496674;shinohai;I suspect there was no hack, it is merely cross-ref'd data from the other 3 hacks by peace.
1479341;1465497217;BingoBoingo;Maybe write that was possible? I have no idea what you are talking about.
1479342;1465497305;shinohai;http://forklog.net/almost-33-million-twitter-passwords-stolen-and-put-up-for-sale-for-bitcoins/
1479343;1465497440;BingoBoingo;shinohai: See, its stolen passwords indexed to twitter accounts.
1479344;1465497480;shinohai;Hmmmm ...
1479345;1465498008;BingoBoingo;Fine shinohai I'll show you how to handle this.
1479346;1465498019;shinohai;>.>
1479347;1465498590;deedbot;[Qntra] Peace Trove Being Indexed To Accounts On Unhacked Sites - http://qntra.net/2016/06/peace-trove-being-indexed-to-accounts-on-unhacked-sites/
1479348;1465498600;BingoBoingo;^ Him in our time.
1479349;1465498651;BingoBoingo;shinohai: See here all future production of these information products is covered in the cases where actual hack seems unlikely, and we continue the "Him in our time" meme.
1479350;1465498739;BingoBoingo;Having our own memes is important for establishing a Qntra identity that goes beyond Qntra>Coindesk while also cultivating a shared experience among our readers through humor.
1479351;1465498791;shinohai;I liek.
1479352;1465498807;shinohai;Good angle too.
1479353;1465498840;BingoBoingo;If you add being insufferable pricks to the second part while overdoing it on memes (i.e. you don't have content because everything is a forced meme) you end up with the Gawker media formula.
1479354;1465498951;shinohai;ewww Gawker
1479355;1465499086;BingoBoingo;Gotta understand how the enemy works. Especially when it has ossified itself into committee driven beast.
1479356;1465499176;shinohai;Most other Bitcoin related news sites are exact clones of each other, the ones I know of anyway. Bitcoinist is probably the worst.
1479357;1465499194;shinohai;or whichever one it is J.P Buttnix spams for.
1479358;1465499244;BingoBoingo;Right, the reason they all suck is they recycle press releases or all share the same stable of Buttnixen Who write the same text for different stories which obliterates any chance for contrast.
1479359;1465499255;BingoBoingo;That and they are wrong.
1479360;1465499377;shinohai;In other news, has Hillary fallen victim to said hack? https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740973710593654784
1479361;1465499404;shinohai;Also, paid promotional articles hardly count as "news"
1479362;1465499759;trinque;shinohai: no, the two candidates for president are having a slap fight on twitter while the audience posts gifs
1479363;1465499761;trinque;what's out of place
1479364;1465499812;shinohai;"Delete your account" so professional.
1479365;1465499822;shinohai;I'll do it Hillary since you said so.
1479366;1465500628;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1479367;1465500633;gribble;Current Blocks: 415561 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1750 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 15 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1479368;1465500641;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1479369;1465500648;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3836.22, vol: 28798.54960000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3836.22
1479370;1465501632;mod6;<+shinohai> "Delete your account" so professional. << "Delete your emails" response was top kek
1479371;1465501821;trinque;aw I was hoping that one came from trump
1479372;1465501832;mod6;lol
1479373;1465501993;shinohai;o/ mod6
1479374;1465502282;mod6;sup
1479375;1465502315;shinohai;Thanks again for help with rss reader ... works right inside weechat nau
1479376;1465502368;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/a5d61041-55f2-4d4d-b800-7aa1183a81d2/ << submission
1479377;1465502637;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479194 << check it out selection js corrupts!
1479378;1465502637;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 14:55 asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2013/why-you-need-bitcoin-simply-put/#selection-167.0-173.283
1479379;1465502655;mod6;shinohai: no prob bud
1479380;1465502808;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479199 << oklahoma is not rural, it is central. bandits favour notthingham forest for a reason, which isn't that "it's impenetrable", but rather that it is semi-permeable and oft permeated.
1479381;1465502808;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:01 asciilifeform: ^ soooo it appears that the process is farther along in rural shitholes like oklahoma, than in the inhabited usa
1479382;1465502920;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479211 << importantly, all this out of money they never earned.
1479383;1465502920;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:10 trinque: myup, the grandchildren of the generation that knew how to do that spends their time getting fat on walmart groceries and posting on facebook about "freedom ain't free"
1479384;1465502940;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479215 << same people who take krakadil.
1479385;1465502940;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:12 asciilifeform: who takes it? and why? and why it and not some other dope.
1479386;1465502991;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479220 << nah.
1479387;1465502991;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:14 asciilifeform: iirc it is mostly made in mexico now.
1479388;1465503033;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479224 << BingoBoingo has it. the entirety of the us "drug on wars" thing reduces to "we gotta keep police largest street gang ~everywhere". it ~works.
1479389;1465503033;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:16 BingoBoingo: The Mexican meth largely serves to keep anyone from quietly becoming mega drug kingpin
1479390;1465503102;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479234 << vodka is a downer, and still involved in most cases where sov milician got his skull bashed.
1479391;1465503102;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:20 asciilifeform: i'm still quite unconvinced that empire is better off selling, e.g., the usual vodka, in shops, than meth.
1479392;1465503409;asciilifeform;imho the powerz of dope are overblown. vodka will loosen inhibitions but nobody gets the basic idea of cracking a skull from it. ditto meth, stupid man will be 10x more vigorous in his idiocy, erdos - 10x theorems.
1479393;1465503453;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479240 <<< aaaaand yet, even with "free" "love" and plenty of virgins, the kids that 3 centuries ago'd have been sailors STILL prefer not to fuck ; but instead http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1478315
1479394;1465503453;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 19:26 mircea_popescu: "Empirically the most ‘attractive’ man in our community including for purposes of casual sex is Mike Blume, who (I’ve asked a woman or two) achieves this by being extremely polite, reliable, and generating a feeling of being very safe to be around or date (contrary to a number of people who’d allege that this is beta-male behavior who I’m beginning to suspect are just sheerly empirically wrong)." << aha
1479395;1465503454;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:26 asciilifeform: the 'sex is the devil's temptation' idiots have easy pickings in that climate.
1479396;1465503467;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's rank nonsense you know.
1479397;1465503481;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how's that
1479398;1465503494;mircea_popescu;first off, "losens inhibitions", tell you what,  igot plenty of inhibited derps drunk when i was a teen. best sex was still in between the thighs of the sluts.
1479399;1465503515;asciilifeform;inhibition against cracking skull, is what i meant
1479400;1465503522;mircea_popescu;second off, "10x" bull. it's an unmeasurable 9.9x vs allegedly 10.1x, except so deep under the random variation sea it's not worth investigating.
1479401;1465503534;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the brain is economical ; only has one inhibition.
1479402;1465503539;asciilifeform;not worth per who's lights ?
1479403;1465503545;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's ? we already knew that.
1479404;1465503546;mircea_popescu;per my lights.
1479405;1465503569;mircea_popescu;it's ~same as "magical magnets improve fuel economy" sorta thing
1479406;1465503580;asciilifeform;more like nitro in petrol.
1479407;1465503588;asciilifeform;there is a time and a place for it.
1479408;1465503593;mircea_popescu;mkay. still not worth it.
1479409;1465503601;asciilifeform;not in washington traffic, no.
1479410;1465503605;mircea_popescu;quite.
1479411;1465503606;asciilifeform;on racetrack - sometimes.
1479412;1465503620;mircea_popescu;and if someone is using it... does ~nothing.
1479413;1465503632;mircea_popescu;sorry. and if someone is using it... everyone is using it... does ~nothing.
1479414;1465503637;asciilifeform;$s mathematics lost a month
1479415;1465503638;a111;1 results for "mathematics lost a month", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mathematics%20lost%20a%20month
1479416;1465503642;mircea_popescu;"let's all stand on tiptoes we'll see the game better"
1479417;1465503652;asciilifeform;the fella who needs to reach the shelf
1479418;1465503654;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mno. racetrack. racetrack is when you shuffle papers.
1479419;1465503663;mircea_popescu;the only thing it's good for is for better satisfaction of "publish or perish"
1479420;1465503668;mircea_popescu;ie, racetrack. rat track.
1479421;1465503689;asciilifeform;sure. or scrubbing toilet as in that film. or whatever stupid thing, if you're doing a stupid thing.
1479422;1465503711;asciilifeform;but point being that folks aren't doing stupid thing ~because~ of the dope.
1479423;1465503722;mircea_popescu;cheaper to not do stupid thing than to find ways to "do it 3% better". for the obvious reason - you're doing stupid thing because of state, which means it'll immediately self-level.
1479424;1465503734;mircea_popescu;sov cattle knew as much, which is how sov economic collapse came about.
1479425;1465503743;asciilifeform;you could make argument that the dope makes the intolerable - tolerable. as the spanish eventually permitted the inca silver miners their coca again.
1479426;1465503756;mircea_popescu;you could, and moreover i have been.
1479427;1465503777;asciilifeform;where i'm from, the dope used to make intolerable - tolerable - is vodka
1479428;1465503781;asciilifeform;and it works for said purpose.
1479429;1465503787;asciilifeform;with own set of side effects.
1479430;1465503810;asciilifeform;~every culture has own variant, and cracks down on alternatives.
1479431;1465503878;mircea_popescu;speaking of side effects : this morn i woke up, executed a bottle of champagne with homemade apple pie and scantily clad damsels to the backing of 70s/80s italian made-for-tv comedies (atti impuri, anyone ever seen ? THAT is how you make shit for the tv!).
1479432;1465503884;mircea_popescu;you can keep your motherfucking meth.
1479433;1465503894;mircea_popescu;sent me straight back to sleep, it did.
1479434;1465503929;mircea_popescu;(for the curious, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpDKYeBVO14 )
1479435;1465503939;*;asciilifeform always imagines that mircea_popescu sleeps for 18+ hr/day, like a housecat
1479436;1465503997;mircea_popescu;nah. about 7ish.
1479437;1465504002;*;asciilifeform same
1479438;1465504011;mircea_popescu;i think it;'s what adults sleep.
1479439;1465504027;mircea_popescu;teh teens tend to want 14 if possibru! then a decade later, they're back to maybe 8.
1479440;1465504028;asciilifeform;for some reason i pictured that when i get to stop using alarms i will sleep, sleep...
1479441;1465504043;asciilifeform;like thirsty man wants to 'drink ocean'
1479442;1465504048;*;mircea_popescu has seen with own eyes.
1479443;1465504110;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479245 << he has a point.
1479444;1465504111;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:28 asciilifeform: that brings us back to 18th c. french state of the art re tax collection
1479445;1465504170;mircea_popescu;~only way to make yourself rich in the socialist empire, be it of the "egalite fraternite humanatee" revolution or of the "faggotry, equality, poverty" revolution, is through taking up a tax farm.
1479446;1465504174;asciilifeform;re this, and http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479380 , i am left to wonder why the plunder is not carried out in or near, e.g., airports, train stations.
1479447;1465504174;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 20:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479199 << oklahoma is not rural, it is central. bandits favour notthingham forest for a reason, which isn't that "it's impenetrable", but rather that it is semi-permeable and oft permeated.
1479448;1465504199;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because plunder is where robber barons feel safe, not where the scania sounds are fulla fish.
1479449;1465504218;asciilifeform;but why they feel safest in ok ?
1479450;1465504226;asciilifeform;still mystery to me.
1479451;1465504228;mircea_popescu;i dunno, always been land of banditry.
1479452;1465504231;mircea_popescu;recall the classical period ?
1479453;1465504259;mircea_popescu;mod6 is that it ?
1479454;1465504262;mod6;dont voice, testing...
1479455;1465504266;mircea_popescu;k.
1479456;1465504272;mod6;aha
1479457;1465504273;*;asciilifeform brb
1479458;1465504281;mircea_popescu;oh, did you make it to self-voice and stuff, no need to add it to list ?
1479459;1465504311;mod6;yeah. i did all the work to get it into the wot, plus a L1 from me, plus code to auth/voice itself.
1479460;1465504324;mod6;%h
1479461;1465504326;tb0t;<%a|%add> <project> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
1479462;1465504332;mod6;%p trb 32
1479463;1465504333;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 32, Type: T, Subject: Test funk's import/dump priv key vpatch, Antecedents: 2, Notes: Use mod6's rebased vpatch, apply to latest vpatches in thebitcoin.foundation mirror.  Test import/export of private keys. Should use both valid and invalid keys here. Also test send/recieve; leave no stone unturned. http://www.mod6.net/btcf/test/mod6_funken_prikey_tools.vpatch
1479464;1465504337;trinque;nice!!
1479465;1465504340;mircea_popescu;nice. i guess everyone just steals it from you going forward.
1479466;1465504348;mircea_popescu;and in other news, https://attimpurislam.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/11146489_468251810017437_1327205877618895494_n.jpg
1479467;1465504360;mod6;%pp
1479468;1465504367;tb0t;Projects: trb
1479469;1465504408;mod6;so this thing will let you print/view codes/print projects as long as you're voiced in #trilema. but you need L1 with deedbot to add/edit/remove
1479470;1465504418;mircea_popescu;sweet.
1479471;1465504430;mircea_popescu;mod6 and it ignores pms ?
1479472;1465504435;mod6;yeah
1479473;1465504448;mircea_popescu;perfect ; ima spend the rest of the day structuring this and we see!
1479474;1465504472;mod6;ut oh
1479475;1465504473;trinque;wat!
1479476;1465504473;mircea_popescu;lmao
1479477;1465504477;mircea_popescu;JEALOUSY
1479478;1465504494;mircea_popescu;are you a blonde deedbot ?
1479479;1465504505;mod6;well it should only query deedbot when issued a command.  so it shouldn't be spamming it...
1479480;1465504527;trinque;got an SSL error
1479481;1465504532;mod6;but yeah deedbot needs to be up in order for commands to function properly since it checks if someone has the proper auth/level.
1479482;1465504535;mod6;ah ok.
1479483;1465504561;mod6;the graphs and charts are generated 4 times per hour and pushed into: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/
1479484;1465504565;mod6;including new projects.
1479485;1465504582;mod6;to add a new project, you simply add a new ticket with a new project name, like this:
1479486;1465504586;trinque;ft meade was restarting their MITMtron to diddle tickets
1479487;1465504596;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479258 << i don't get this. isn't the FUCKING POINT ofspending extra for "SUV" that you can drive in any direction from any point within the state of ok ?
1479488;1465504596;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:40 BingoBoingo: Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
1479489;1465504605;mod6;%add foobar F "TEST SUBJECT" "TEST NOTES FOR NEW PROJECT TICKET"
1479490;1465504610;mod6;%p foobar 1
1479491;1465504611;tb0t;Project: foobar, ID: 1, Type: F, Subject: TEST SUBJECT, Antecedents: , Notes: TEST NOTES FOR NEW PROJECT TICKET
1479492;1465504626;mircea_popescu;mod6 i feel like it's xmas!
1479493;1465504637;mod6;those quotes are needed for the above. so i still need to update the help message.  sorry about that.
1479494;1465504667;mod6;they deliniate the start and end of the subject and notes fields.  if you want to add a blocking ticket (antecedent) you just tack that on the end like so:
1479495;1465504681;mod6;%add foobar X "TEST TICKET 2" "TEST TICKET 2 NOTES" 1
1479496;1465504690;mod6;now ticket 2 is predicated on ticket 1
1479497;1465504696;mod6;%p foobar 2
1479498;1465504697;tb0t;Project: foobar, ID: 2, Type: X, Subject: TEST TICKET 2, Antecedents: 1, Notes: TEST TICKET 2 NOTES
1479499;1465504761;mod6;mircea_popescu: thanks! salud
1479500;1465504782;shinohai;:D
1479501;1465504787;shinohai;It lives!
1479502;1465504798;mod6;it even does stuff
1479503;1465504836;mod6;logging feature still needs a bit of rounding-out to implement the format we discussed before.  and the help thing, which im going to tweak now actually.
1479504;1465504898;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479261 << no but it's purer!
1479505;1465504898;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:44 asciilifeform: phf: better still, ordinary cyanoacrylate glue for 50 cents a tube, but 'medical' - for $20+.
1479506;1465504940;mod6;ok help is fixed, should be correct on next restart, but im fine to let you all try it out if you like.
1479507;1465504946;shinohai;%h
1479508;1465504949;tb0t;<%a|%add> <project> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%e|%edit> <project> <id> <code> <subject> <notes> [ante] | <%r|%remove> <project> <id> | <%p|%print> <project> <id> | <%pp|%print_projects> | <%pc|%print_codes>
1479509;1465504996;shinohai;Sad I know all these commands by heart already lol
1479510;1465505011;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479266 << mno. it bonds well the skin, and ftr cutman (boxing item) actually had a very duct-tape-y thing before ducttape, and used cyanoacrylate early also. but no such things as "cut liver", infection is the larger problem there.
1479511;1465505011;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:45 asciilifeform: (cyanoacrylate - 'super' - glue - is quite possibly the single greatest advance in wound suturing ever to happen, works great on everything from paper cut to 7.62x39-through-the-liver)
1479512;1465505077;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479270 <<< this is a much more serious problem than anyone commonly realises. us "psych" quackery diagnosis ~= death sentence. works faster than the judicial one too, less than a decade.
1479513;1465505077;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:46 trinque: or leaving with a failing liver after you succumb to their pill pushing
1479514;1465505149;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479278 << this was illegal to do in romania ; afaik still is. kinda classic "cop wanted to snag you" thing in media, "and where's your fa kit???"
1479515;1465505150;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:50 asciilifeform: but not a box with bandages, disinfectant, tourniquette, anything.
1479516;1465505239;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479286 << not the worst of ideas ; i had them in my mercs also. depends a lot on engine, but the water pump conveyor belt was by far the largest vulnerability of the thing. have belt, 300% better reliability, need roadside servicing never as opposed to maybe once every other year.
1479517;1465505239;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:51 asciilifeform: trinque drives around with spare belts ?
1479518;1465505310;mod6;shinohai: haha. you're an expert!
1479519;1465505371;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479327 << lead pipes are seriously not a hazard. UNLESS IMBECILES.
1479520;1465505371;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 16:29 phf: philadelphia is all led pipes so they just give you a little paper that lets you test the water for free, and then presumably move "elsewhere"
1479521;1465505377;mircea_popescu;heh... nevermind me. move elsewhere.
1479522;1465505415;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479332 << hey, co earns its keep neh ? visa also wants a chunk of pie, so this is best solution.
1479523;1465505415;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 18:07 asciilifeform: unless, of course, they have exception hardcoded for autoplunderator co.
1479524;1465505508;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479350 << bb will end up studied in journalist school.
1479525;1465505508;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 18:58 BingoBoingo: Having our own memes is important for establishing a Qntra identity that goes beyond Qntra>Coindesk while also cultivating a shared experience among our readers through humor.
1479526;1465505576;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT, but they could not." < "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT ; and just as many have failed to date."
1479527;1465505634;shinohai;Inherent laziness.
1479528;1465505665;shinohai;SO much easier to dumbuser:pa55w0rd
1479529;1465505905;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479356 << juyst like most anglo derps are exact clones of each other. then they wanna compete for mates and money and whatnot, in their trite identity.
1479530;1465505905;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 19:06 shinohai: Most other Bitcoin related news sites are exact clones of each other, the ones I know of anyway. Bitcoinist is probably the worst.
1479531;1465506403;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkiY42nUkAAFb8R.jpg   <<< read, thought of asciilifeform
1479532;1465506500;mircea_popescu;heh. these stupid shits, seriously. all coy and like... "please fuck with hollow copyright claims". where the fuck is the mockery of "rights" and assorted bullshit ?
1479533;1465506504;mircea_popescu;they're definitely asking for it.
1479534;1465508228;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4nbish/coinbase_fails_to_accept_bitcoin_merchant_payments/   <<< more SSL plox
1479535;1465508878;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479510 << very definitely not limited to skin. see also http://dspace.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/48962 ( plain ascii, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/f37606d5-9918-4858-8243-de922cb21f94 ) for historic lulz.
1479536;1465508879;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 20:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479266 << mno. it bonds well the skin, and ftr cutman (boxing item) actually had a very duct-tape-y thing before ducttape, and used cyanoacrylate early also. but no such things as "cut liver", infection is the larger problem there.
1479537;1465508887;asciilifeform;~bleeding~ was the issue.
1479538;1465508973;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479514 << ditto su. fa kit - required.
1479539;1465508974;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 20:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479278 << this was illegal to do in romania ; afaik still is. kinda classic "cop wanted to snag you" thing in media, "and where's your fa kit???"
1479540;1465508989;asciilifeform;(probably is in all civilized countries)
1479541;1465509403;mircea_popescu;prolly.
1479542;1465509658;mircea_popescu;mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ascii_graph.txt << ideally numbers should be hooverable, ie show ticket content if you put mouse on it. title="$ticket" iirc.
1479543;1465509742;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT, but they could not." < "Many have tried to find an easier softer way than the WoT ; and just as many have failed to date." << Present phrasing is a literary reference. Evaluating submission nao
1479544;1465509806;asciilifeform;'Why would a Bitcoin payment processor fail to fix an error that prevents them from processing Bitcoin payments for nearly a month?' << l0l!
1479545;1465509813;mircea_popescu;$google "many have tried to find an easier softer way than" "but they could not"
1479546;1465509846;mircea_popescu;all i get is qntra :) what's the reference BingoBoingo ?
1479547;1465509862;BingoBoingo;Chapter 5 of the Big Book.
1479548;1465509880;mircea_popescu;huh.
1479549;1465509894;BingoBoingo;$google "many have tried to find an easier softer way but they could not"
1479550;1465509925;mircea_popescu;ahahaha alcoholics anonymous mmmkay.
1479551;1465509977;asciilifeform;sooooooo in other nyooz here's a small preview of things to come:
1479552;1465510017;asciilifeform;i discovered that mainstream finite field libs are as complicated as they are largely because they insist on growable - and, ergo, heap-allocated - nums.
1479553;1465510046;mircea_popescu;tbh, the heap should go away entirely.
1479554;1465510054;mircea_popescu;wtf is it even a thing for.
1479555;1465510072;asciilifeform;for items whose size you ~do not know~ in advance.
1479556;1465510084;asciilifeform;which - notably - integers used in crypto ARE NOT.
1479557;1465510088;mircea_popescu;this is not programming.
1479558;1465510109;deedbot;[Qntra] Dr. Joseph Bielanski Reappointed to California Community Colleges Board of Governor - http://qntra.net/2016/06/dr-joseph-bielanski-reappointed-to-california-community-colleges-board-of-governor/
1479559;1465510115;mircea_popescu;yay.
1479560;1465510152;asciilifeform;anyway pre-allocated-buffers-for-motherfucking-everything is sop in 'this must work' (e.g., avionics) world.
1479561;1465510177;asciilifeform;what is interesting is that - as far as i can tell - no one has ever published example of finite field system from such.
1479562;1465510209;mircea_popescu;hm.
1479563;1465510296;asciilifeform;'there is a first time for everything'
1479564;1465510453;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479258 << i don't get this. isn't the FUCKING POINT ofspending extra for "SUV" that you can drive in any direction from any point within the state of ok ? << Possibru if weather cooperates. If raining (rare) the clay soil turns into some nasty mud.
1479565;1465510453;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 15:40 BingoBoingo: Oklahomo isn't easy to flee... Toll roads and lpr cameras everywhere
1479566;1465510483;asciilifeform;also typical 'suv' is 'fetish of power, not power'
1479567;1465510494;asciilifeform;dun actually work off the asphalt.
1479568;1465510591;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/9b3f1783-0fb7-4d13-a3a9-6291165a34ea (orig : https://cryptome.org/2016/06/appelbaum-suspension-2015.pdf )
1479569;1465510615;mircea_popescu;eh i can't be arsed ; working on ticketizing and who the fuck is this jwz.
1479570;1465510655;asciilifeform;well mircea_popescu did ask, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477797
1479571;1465510655;a111;Logged on 2016-06-06 22:04 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-06#1477600 << not altogether an idle question.
1479572;1465510659;asciilifeform;so this could be - answer.
1479573;1465510665;asciilifeform;or rather, part of the disinfo re same.
1479574;1465510712;mircea_popescu;myeah i was looking more for a single line from credible souce. "pdf" from usg exact opposite on all scores.
1479575;1465510725;asciilifeform;choice lulz, '...The other incident raises more serious concerns regarding Tor Project’s obligation to ensure a safe and comfortable work environment, especially as regards an environment that is unwelcoming or hostile to protected classes of community members. In this case, you made statements that implied that new community members were recruited in a sexually charged manner. This was made during the course of a Tor Project-sanct
1479576;1465510725;asciilifeform;ioned work session which you took part in leading. The very statement that the inception of a working relationship was in any way influenced by sexual conduct or even innuendo is offensive...'
1479577;1465510792;asciilifeform;hey nobody said it was true!11111
1479578;1465510823;mircea_popescu;the what ?!
1479579;1465510829;mircea_popescu;holy shit already.
1479580;1465510881;mircea_popescu;there is no obligation on the part of anyone to ensure "safe and comfortable" anything for anyone else. and fuck "protected classes" with a barbed fence.
1479581;1465510930;mircea_popescu;being part of a usg "protected class" is insta-outlawry. everyone may take your shit, rape you and kill you, and nobody cares. serves you fucking right, shithead.
1479582;1465510967;*;mircea_popescu can't believe there isn't a html bird flipping glyph
1479583;1465510983;asciilifeform;☭!
1479584;1465511009;mircea_popescu;fucking turdeaters, they piled everything else in there, except the ~single nonverbal glyph anyone actually wants.
1479585;1465511011;mircea_popescu;blergh.
1479586;1465511043;asciilifeform;i looked for one when making s.nsa icon, had to make manually.
1479587;1465511043;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ascii_graph.txt << ideally numbers should be hooverable, ie show ticket content if you put mouse on it. title="$ticket" iirc. << sure. the ascii ticket graph is just ascii. not sure of any way to "mark up" the text without turning into something that's not text.
1479588;1465511069;mircea_popescu;mod6 oh there is that huh.
1479589;1465511076;mircea_popescu;svg ?
1479590;1465511083;mircea_popescu;maybe. i dunno.
1479591;1465511097;mod6;There could be some labels made or something in the ascii graph to make it a bit more readable though, i agree with that.
1479592;1465511103;mod6;svg exists. that's the other one
1479593;1465511127;mircea_popescu;ah i had it as a plaintext display for some reason.
1479594;1465511138;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/trickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
1479595;1465511146;mod6;damnit "trickets"
1479596;1465511148;mod6;wth
1479597;1465511156;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
1479598;1465511159;mod6;:]
1479599;1465511186;mod6;so that one doesn't have much of a mouse over, and probably has a lot of room for improvement all around.
1479600;1465511219;mod6;the mouse over on the arrows show the relationships, the mouse over on the vertex shows the id.
1479601;1465511230;mircea_popescu;hahaha trickets.
1479602;1465511233;mod6;if you click on the vertex, it takes you to the anchored ticket in the corresponding ticket list.
1479603;1465511313;mircea_popescu;mod6 what are the types ? d ? f ?
1479604;1465511320;mod6;%pc
1479605;1465511324;tb0t;Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT
1479606;1465511340;mircea_popescu;hm interesting.
1479607;1465511359;mircea_popescu;what's saga ? :D
1479608;1465511377;mod6;so far, nothing entirely meaningful there, although later could do reporting or something based on code, or sorting, something. gives it a "flavor" if you will.
1479609;1465511395;mod6;Saga is meant as a really large task, an adventure of sorts.
1479610;1465511402;mircea_popescu;works.
1479611;1465511422;mod6;I'm sick of "epic" tickets, so came up with a "saga".  For trb, a saga is something like ``ideal bitcoin''.
1479612;1465511481;shinohai;It will be interesting to state `Worked on this saga today`
1479613;1465511508;mod6;:]
1479614;1465511526;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/06/likely-next-french-president-wants-bitcoin-ban/#comment-61030
1479615;1465511539;mod6;i felt like it could add flavor or meaning to some of these structured or arragned tickets.
1479616;1465511555;mod6;%p trb 28
1479617;1465511556;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 28, Type: S, Subject: Ideal bitcoin, Antecedents: 3,4,5,12,14,15,18,19,20,21,25,26, Notes:
1479618;1465511567;mircea_popescu;mod6 well this has been quite energizing, i'm making a thing rightnao.
1479619;1465511585;mod6;Like this guy ^, for completion he depends on completion of many other ticket.s
1479620;1465511633;mod6;glad you think it's a worthwhile thing Mr. P.  there is so much that gets into the logs, and this will be a much easier way (hopefully) to keep track of all of the republics work or tasks, or whatever reallly.
1479621;1465511651;mircea_popescu;it actually encourages much more systematic thinking, and how!
1479622;1465512578;*;shinohai raises a cup of tea to tb0t and mod6
1479623;1465512992;mircea_popescu;%add UCI S "TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface" "The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason." 8
1479624;1465513028;mircea_popescu;%p uci
1479625;1465513029;tb0t;[%p|%print] <project> <id>
1479626;1465513034;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 1
1479627;1465513035;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 1, Type: S, Subject: TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface, Antecedents: 8, Notes: The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.
1479628;1465513041;mircea_popescu;win.
1479629;1465513124;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "#trilema standard bot" "Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users."
1479630;1465513176;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479631;1465513176;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479632;1465513176;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479633;1465513176;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479634;1465513189;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 6
1479635;1465513190;tb0t;No such ticket was found with id: 6.
1479636;1465513207;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 2
1479637;1465513209;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 2, Type: F, Subject: #trilema standard bot, Antecedents: , Notes: Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users.
1479638;1465513211;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 3
1479639;1465513212;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479640;1465513218;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 4
1479641;1465513219;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479642;1465513224;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 5
1479643;1465513228;tb0t;No such ticket was found with id: 5.
1479644;1465513236;mircea_popescu;mod6 ^ bug!
1479645;1465513256;mircea_popescu;%r UCI 3
1479646;1465513259;mircea_popescu;%r UCI 4
1479647;1465513261;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 3
1479648;1465513262;tb0t;No such ticket was found with id: 3.
1479649;1465513271;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479650;1465513273;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 3
1479651;1465513275;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479652;1465513279;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479653;1465513280;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 4
1479654;1465513284;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479655;1465513291;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479656;1465513292;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 5
1479657;1465513298;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 5, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479658;1465513302;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479659;1465513304;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 6
1479660;1465513310;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 6, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479661;1465513333;mircea_popescu;%add UCI I "Research and design UCI/worker interface." "UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity. " 3,4,5,6
1479662;1465513336;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 7
1479663;1465513337;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 7, Type: I, Subject: Research and design UCI/worker interface., Antecedents: 3,4,5,6, Notes: UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity.
1479664;1465513361;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities (in satoshi/Gb/second of storage for instance) and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands, retur
1479665;1465513361;mircea_popescu;ns results to peer." 2,7
1479666;1465513365;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 8
1479667;1465513367;tb0t;No such ticket was found with id: 8.
1479668;1465513373;mircea_popescu;darn.
1479669;1465513414;mircea_popescu;%add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands, returns results to peer." 2,7
1479670;1465513418;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 8
1479671;1465513420;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 8, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI supervisor, Antecedents: 2,7, Notes: Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands,
1479672;1465513421;mircea_popescu;win.
1479673;1465513491;mircea_popescu;does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
1479674;1465513550;trinque;seems you could execute things on a variety of UCI workers and compare results
1479675;1465513553;trinque;I recall the last thread about this
1479676;1465513590;mircea_popescu;do anything you damn well please - from hosting your (uninterdictable) website on half a million random machines to nuking whitehouse.org
1479677;1465513598;trinque;love it.
1479678;1465513642;mircea_popescu;map the entire dns system, eavesdrop the entire internet, create your own dns, launch satellites and nukes (hey, who's to say what peripherals a given machine has, amirite ?), whatever.
1479679;1465513649;mircea_popescu;if it is computing, it belongs to us.
1479680;1465513889;mircea_popescu;if nothing else, it'll put an actual market rate on running bitcoin nodes.
1479681;1465513891;*;mod6 reads scrollback
1479682;1465514010;mod6;%p uci 1
1479683;1465514012;tb0t;No such ticket was found with id: 1.
1479684;1465514015;mod6;o.O
1479685;1465514021;mircea_popescu;caps
1479686;1465514026;mod6;%p UCI 1
1479687;1465514027;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 1, Type: S, Subject: TMSR's own Unified Computing Interface, Antecedents: 8, Notes: The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.
1479688;1465514033;mod6;ok
1479689;1465514037;mod6;%p UCI 2
1479690;1465514038;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 2, Type: F, Subject: #trilema standard bot, Antecedents: , Notes: Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users.
1479691;1465514043;mod6;%p UCI 3
1479692;1465514045;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 3, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479693;1465514049;mod6;%p UCI 4
1479694;1465514050;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 4, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, Fedora, Centos etc), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479695;1465514054;mod6;%p UCI 5
1479696;1465514056;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 5, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Mobile (Android, iOS/OS X), Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479697;1465514059;mod6;%p UCI 6
1479698;1465514064;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 6, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI worker for Embedded/ARM, Antecedents: , Notes: Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage.
1479699;1465514068;mod6;%p UCI 7
1479700;1465514073;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 7, Type: I, Subject: Research and design UCI/worker interface., Antecedents: 3,4,5,6, Notes: UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity.
1479701;1465514077;mod6;%p UCI 8
1479702;1465514081;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 8, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI supervisor, Antecedents: 2,7, Notes: Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands,
1479703;1465514113;mod6;ok, yeah, i see all of those in the file. lemme see what happened when you were entering 'em. thanks for doing that, might be a weird timing issue or something, not sure.
1479704;1465514127;mircea_popescu;prolly some race conditions i'd guess
1479705;1465514187;mod6;ah, yeah, ok. i see all of 'em came in at nearly the same time. should have handled it, but looks like it got a bit confused.
1479706;1465514197;mod6;i'll check into that.
1479707;1465514218;mod6;cool, your graphs are up :]
1479708;1465514242;mircea_popescu;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html << only 4 tickets oddly.
1479709;1465514248;mod6;oh!
1479710;1465514261;mircea_popescu;maybe not yet long enough though
1479711;1465514265;mircea_popescu;i'd give it a few mins.
1479712;1465514270;mod6;probably because it was related to the timing of entering the tickets.
1479713;1465514275;mod6;the next update ~should~ contain them all.
1479714;1465514279;mod6;yeah, exactly.
1479715;1465514320;mod6;ok refresh, it's updated :]
1479716;1465514340;mircea_popescu;sveet!
1479717;1465514351;mircea_popescu;of course... aren't the arrows backwards ?
1479718;1465514402;mod6;hm. so is ticket 1 an antecedent (parent) of ticket 8?
1479719;1465514414;mircea_popescu;no but hm.
1479720;1465514419;mircea_popescu;shouldn't arrows point from root to fruit ?
1479721;1465514458;mircea_popescu;(do x) -> (so you can do y) -> (so you can be done)
1479722;1465514466;mircea_popescu;did i do them backwards ?
1479723;1465514472;mod6;no. actually.
1479724;1465514487;mod6;so ticket 1 is a saga, which can't be complete until 8 is complete, correct?
1479725;1465514488;BingoBoingo;So who is writing up the Qntra "T Ascendant"?
1479726;1465514493;mircea_popescu;correct.
1479727;1465514519;mod6;ok then that should be fine it kinda looks funny i suppose. but 1 is the root.
1479728;1465514529;mod6;and the 5, 6, 4, 3, are the leaves
1479729;1465514531;mircea_popescu;i guess just takes getting used to
1479730;1465514538;mod6;well and #2
1479731;1465514540;mircea_popescu;any convention's just a convention after all.
1479732;1465514555;mod6;yah, i kinda modled it after how the tree looks for V.
1479733;1465514614;mod6;ooh, i see
1479734;1465514630;mod6;so for ticket 6, i may have put in its antecedent as 7
1479735;1465514638;mod6;and the same for 3, 4, 5
1479736;1465514658;mircea_popescu;well no the other way around ; 7 depends on them
1479737;1465514679;mod6;hmmm ok lemme see
1479738;1465514740;mod6;so yeah, we start with a large chunk, and it breaks down to smaller chunks.
1479739;1465514779;mircea_popescu;aha
1479740;1465514851;mod6;this looks right to me
1479741;1465514884;mod6;i guess this can be re-worked if it invokes too much mental gymnastics.
1479742;1465514911;mod6;but to me looks like everything goes the right way, and dependentcies are in the correct direction
1479743;1465514950;mod6;maybe "ANTECEDENTS" is a bad word here, perhaps "DEPENDENTS"
1479744;1465514963;mod6;that might make it that much more clear.
1479745;1465515022;mod6;your tickets are awesome btw
1479746;1465515099;mod6;wewt!
1479747;1465515196;mod6;and as we start to work on these features, it is meant (at least by me) that tasks and other atomic work will be children of the features.
1479748;1465515560;mod6;BingoBoingo: did you read these tickets?  don't miss out on Mr. P.'s vision for TMSR~ here in the story.
1479749;1465515588;mod6;I feel like we've needed this tool for some time as he was only needing a way to track and graph the work required.
1479750;1465515602;BingoBoingo;mod6: Well I asked the question in case you or mircea_popescu wanted to have the honor of writing up T
1479751;1465515610;mod6;oooh
1479752;1465515624;shinohai;mod6 makes Qntra debut
1479753;1465515691;mod6;;;seen mike_c
1479754;1465515691;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #trilema 6 weeks, 1 day, 20 hours, 40 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
1479755;1465515695;mod6;ah. ok.
1479756;1465515711;mod6;btcalpha isn't updating from deedbot ?
1479757;1465515751;mod6;I'm not much of a writer.  Obviously.
1479758;1465515753;mod6;lol
1479759;1465515770;mod6;But I'll take a shot at it I guess as long as the proceeds can be donated to The Bitcoin Foundation.
1479760;1465515785;BingoBoingo;mod6: You arrange that with jurov
1479761;1465515798;mod6;Ah, he's the man on that then, ok.
1479762;1465515803;mod6;jdawg: does that work ok?
1479763;1465515826;mod6;he'll get back to us, im sure its fine.
1479764;1465515930;mod6;unless mircea_popescu wants to have the honor, then by all means.
1479765;1465516491;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479749 << this is tru
1479766;1465516491;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:39 mod6: I feel like we've needed this tool for some time as he was only needing a way to track and graph the work required.
1479767;1465516538;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479756 <<< i dun recall where that got mired ; iirc mike_c wanted some data from trinque no idea if he ever got it an' he's been kinda awol.
1479768;1465516538;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:41 mod6: btcalpha isn't updating from deedbot ?
1479769;1465516549;mod6;ah
1479770;1465516564;mircea_popescu;mod6 anyway, go ahead an' write it up, i already did a qntra today
1479771;1465516759;mod6;ah, ok.  working on something here...
1479772;1465516766;shinohai;btw mircea_popescu "Pace in our Time!" good one
1479773;1465516796;mod6;ahaha
1479774;1465516894;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479757   Says "I'm not much of a writer", writes awesome bot.
1479775;1465516895;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:42 mod6: I'm not much of a writer.  Obviously.
1479776;1465516952;mod6;o7
1479777;1465516980;mod6;Couldn't have done it without you though, thanks for all the testing help.  Most sincerely.
1479778;1465517301;shinohai;Glad to have been help and not hindrance ... 'twas an honour to participate.
1479779;1465517324;shinohai;And really fun, learned a lot about perl I didn't before.
1479780;1465517339;mod6;salud; now that we've got a ticketing system, we can see how much there really is to do still! haha.
1479781;1465517343;mod6;much more to come / work on.
1479782;1465517377;*;mod6 turning people to the dark side, one at a time.
1479783;1465517392;shinohai;Well this place has kinda mrphed into full-time between Bitcoin and Qntra lol
1479784;1465517397;shinohai;*morphed
1479785;1465517424;mod6;watch out or you'll start writing #!/usr/bin/perl all the time
1479786;1465517456;mod6;:D
1479787;1465517469;trinque;mircea_popescu: mike_c told me he was able to connect to my db; subsequently haven't heard from him
1479788;1465517477;shinohai;Since we finished the rss thing last night, I'm already working on a new one xD
1479789;1465517708;*;asciilifeform lands face first into gnarly l0gz
1479790;1465517829;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479597 << veeery labour-intensive to read
1479791;1465517829;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 22:25 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
1479792;1465517896;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479630 << lel what in satan's name is this for??
1479793;1465517897;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 22:59 mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI worker for Windows (10, 7, 8/8.1)" "Worker should interface with kernel, execute all UCI commands, meter resource usage."
1479794;1465517951;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479597 << veeery labour-intensive to read << ok, noted. so my first stab at this... more here please.
1479795;1465517951;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 22:25 mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/trb_ticket_graph.html
1479796;1465517985;mod6;its hard because there are like a number of disconnected graphs, or hard because of mental gymnastics?  i'd like to make it better, so your input helps.
1479797;1465517989;asciilifeform;because clicking
1479798;1465518011;asciilifeform;i have it on a 2160x3840 display
1479799;1465518017;asciilifeform;why should there be ocean of white
1479800;1465518024;asciilifeform;vs the text that wants to be in them bubbles.
1479801;1465518030;mod6;i probably could/should have all of the tickets clumped under one tree.  but i need to work on the tickets and ordering etc.
1479802;1465518054;asciilifeform;thing is a good start
1479803;1465518065;asciilifeform;maybe borrow phf's formatting code he used in his patch viewer?
1479804;1465518140;mod6;i'll see what i can do, ya. ok.
1479805;1465518148;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << i distinctly recall mircea_popescu outlining this wish list a while back. but must confess that i suspect cpu cycle rental - even PINCHED cycles from OTHER PEOPLE, in botnet - to be a -ev proposition. strange, but there it is.
1479806;1465518148;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:04 mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
1479807;1465518149;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1479808;1465518167;asciilifeform;one of them things that costs more to parcel out than it is worth.
1479809;1465518238;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479676 << i suspect that there are not half a million machines with decent bandwidth and disk.
1479810;1465518238;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:06 mircea_popescu: do anything you damn well please - from hosting your (uninterdictable) website on half a million random machines to nuking whitehouse.org
1479811;1465518259;asciilifeform;but more importantly, the software stack that gives you anything like smooth migration between rapidly born and dying machines, is NOT THERE
1479812;1465518262;asciilifeform;was not invented.
1479813;1465518276;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ever personally arrange a db replication thing ?
1479814;1465518279;asciilifeform;recall how much misery ?
1479815;1465518301;asciilifeform;and that's with 2+ DECENT unixlike boxen, with DECENT bandwidth and ~reasonably reliable hardware, that you CONTROL...
1479816;1465518347;asciilifeform;this is sorta like our 'revelation' re crypto a few months back.
1479817;1465518355;asciilifeform;there is ~no tech, only duct tape and chewing gum.
1479818;1465518415;asciilifeform;as for ddosing, usg infrastructure is ddosproof because they multi-head their dns or whatever the term was for the thing you can ONLY do with crapflare
1479819;1465518431;asciilifeform;ddos only exists for the rest of us.
1479820;1465518454;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479680 << not that, either. because how do you VERIFY ?????
1479821;1465518454;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:11 mircea_popescu: if nothing else, it'll put an actual market rate on running bitcoin nodes.
1479822;1465518482;asciilifeform;it is in principle quite impossible to verify that the thing you wanted computed, was computed, unless it is very tangible input/output pair like mersenne primes or whatnot.
1479823;1465518495;asciilifeform;it is certainly impossible to reliably distinguish node from pseudonode, for instance.
1479824;1465518576;asciilifeform;the other thing about renting out pwned boxes,
1479825;1465518595;asciilifeform;is that a reasonably competent griefer can rent the chumpnet and ~clean it~
1479826;1465518601;asciilifeform;or at least perma-hose the boxen.
1479827;1465518610;asciilifeform;and there cannot even in principle be an answer to this.
1479828;1465518637;asciilifeform;the only reason it does not happen more often with garden-variety botnets is that competent folk are few and far between and no one in particular is a sufficiently-appealing target.
1479829;1465518683;*;asciilifeform has been contemplating this very subj for many, many years.
1479830;1465518879;asciilifeform;it is ~precisely~ the 'rent out the space inside your nose!' contemplated in one of mircea_popescu's articles.
1479831;1465519445;BingoBoingo;Nah, renting out the space in OTHER people's noses
1479832;1465519455;asciilifeform;dun wurk either.
1479833;1465519561;asciilifeform;you rent out yer chumpnet, and some bozo installs, e.g., 'cryptolocker', on all the nodes.
1479834;1465519563;asciilifeform;now wat.
1479835;1465519569;asciilifeform;you need a new one ?
1479836;1465519810;mod6; BingoBoingo you may want to update the 'about' page on qntra, buncha #bitcoin-assets links and such.
1479837;1465519981;shinohai;^
1479838;1465520604;phf;asciilifeform: i thought that botnets had pre-programmed set of functions, like "rent botnet to ddos" or "rent botnet to spam", and that functions were provided by owner
1479839;1465520984;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479838 << i was speaking of how most folks even get their proggy on the infected boxes in the first place
1479840;1465520984;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 01:03 phf: asciilifeform: i thought that botnets had pre-programmed set of functions, like "rent botnet to ddos" or "rent botnet to spam", and that functions were provided by owner
1479841;1465520994;asciilifeform;typically they pay 'per install'
1479842;1465521001;asciilifeform;riding, so to speak, a bus
1479843;1465521013;phf;oh interesting
1479844;1465521075;asciilifeform;this model is traditional but plays poorly with, e.g., cryptolockers, as these often result in hosed and reformatted box
1479845;1465521088;asciilifeform;i have nfi what will replace it.
1479846;1465521154;phf;i've been burned by fellow scriptkiddies back in my scriptkiddy days enough times to not trust anyone with that sort of open access. i thought that would be the case with others. perhaps there's a distinction between "us" and "johns" happening here. if the person is paying for botnet access, is probably mark to begin with
1479847;1465521242;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479772 << elided e's. feats of fortitude :D
1479848;1465521243;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:59 shinohai: btw mircea_popescu "Pace in our Time!" good one
1479849;1465521254;asciilifeform;thing is, ~all trojans share heavily infested box.
1479850;1465521339;phf;but you can easily upgrade open access service to a custom service and charge for the extra work too. if you want your ads injected on all machines, you don't get to put own exe, needs to spec out the problem and give it to botnet owner to develop. also means that particularly losery owners will rapidly transfer their botnets to smarter crowd
1479851;1465521372;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479792 << exactly.
1479852;1465521372;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 00:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479630 << lel what in satan's name is this for??
1479853;1465521426;phf;but then i'm just talking out of my ass, i've been out of that field for a long time. i just suspect that the scenario you describe is already pretty common and is probably part of разборки
1479854;1465521436;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479805 << doesn't have to be botnet. for one thing, once this is ready i'll be running it on dedi boxes. for another thing, you make your own administrative policies. sell for whatever price you want whatever you want to sell.
1479855;1465521437;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 00:22 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << i distinctly recall mircea_popescu outlining this wish list a while back. but must confess that i suspect cpu cycle rental - even PINCHED cycles from OTHER PEOPLE, in botnet - to be a -ev proposition. strange, but there it is.
1479856;1465521441;mircea_popescu;storage only for instance.
1479857;1465521454;asciilifeform;why would you want unreliable storage?
1479858;1465521465;mircea_popescu;because unreliable is much much better than "reliable"
1479859;1465521466;asciilifeform;didn't we do the 1024 chickens thing?
1479860;1465521472;mircea_popescu;currently we have "reliable", and i don't want it.
1479861;1465521496;asciilifeform;how many chickens adds up to mercedes motor?
1479862;1465521531;asciilifeform;and let's also say a % of'em are dead at any time, and dragged along by living
1479863;1465521532;mircea_popescu;never mind the chicken perspective. this commoditizes computers.
1479864;1465521536;phf;build for the ecosystem you have not the ecosystem you want sort of thing
1479865;1465521560;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~would~ commoditize. if anyone knew how.
1479866;1465521563;mircea_popescu;ALL computers. ie, the computer attached to the 3d printer as much as to the atm at the bank as much as anything else.
1479867;1465521599;mircea_popescu;bitcoin is good, but ~not enough. it's not enough for enemy to be unable to retain the salaried interest of dea thugs.
1479868;1465521606;mircea_popescu;they must be ~unable to retain control over any box.
1479869;1465521617;mircea_popescu;"apparently an intern installed uci. it's the third time this week."
1479870;1465521664;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu just wants an ordinary chumpnet that is a different and far more practical convo.
1479871;1465521667;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479809 << factually, there's about a billion and a half of them.
1479872;1465521667;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 00:23 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479676 << i suspect that there are not half a million machines with decent bandwidth and disk.
1479873;1465521671;asciilifeform;and flows from gossipd.
1479874;1465521686;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually this should work as a proper tor relay for gossipd.
1479875;1465521693;asciilifeform;this, yes .
1479876;1465521732;mircea_popescu;other than the numerous deliberate sabotages, tor fails in a game theoretic manner - no incentive to participate.
1479877;1465521734;mircea_popescu;socialism.
1479878;1465521739;asciilifeform;but as for 'host a blog ON it and it be readable more often than not' - nobody yet discovered how.
1479879;1465521768;mircea_popescu;give it some time, it'll work fine. if aws works, if folding@home works, if torrents work this'll work superbly.
1479880;1465521779;asciilifeform;aws uses far bigger chunks.
1479881;1465521788;asciilifeform;and reliable pipes.
1479882;1465521830;asciilifeform;anyway afaik state of the art re dht remains edonkey.
1479883;1465521840;mircea_popescu;be all that as it may.
1479884;1465521847;asciilifeform;students of subj ought to begin there.
1479885;1465521853;asciilifeform;and kademlia.
1479886;1465521888;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479819 << allow me to lol.
1479887;1465521888;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 00:27 asciilifeform: ddos only exists for the rest of us.
1479888;1465521900;mircea_popescu;possibly gnutella also of interest.
1479889;1465521914;asciilifeform;as example of what NOT to do.
1479890;1465521921;asciilifeform;it sucked balls.
1479891;1465521925;asciilifeform;slow.
1479892;1465521935;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479820 << exactly how you "verify" now. go, verify phuctor.
1479893;1465521935;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 00:27 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479680 << not that, either. because how do you VERIFY ?????
1479894;1465521947;asciilifeform;see log
1479895;1465521957;asciilifeform;there is a class of easy verifiables
1479896;1465521969;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479825 << there's a wot for this.
1479897;1465521969;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 00:29 asciilifeform: is that a reasonably competent griefer can rent the chumpnet and ~clean it~
1479898;1465521971;asciilifeform;and a far bigger class of easy pseudonodables.
1479899;1465521981;mircea_popescu;a "reasonable competent" whatever could... what, bother deedbot. hurr durr.
1479900;1465521988;mircea_popescu;really, these objections belong pre 2010.
1479901;1465522014;asciilifeform;this is a little different. 'somebody dropped nuke on me' 'negrate him!''
1479902;1465522021;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fact remains you can not, at this present time, distinguish your own node on random box from faux node planted there.
1479903;1465522029;asciilifeform;tru!!
1479904;1465522043;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this "little different" is essentially saying "the wot is a nice toy but it'll never scale".
1479905;1465522044;asciilifeform;at least from outside.
1479906;1465522058;mircea_popescu;you're welcome to believe that, if you wish. but this place is constructed on that being stupid.
1479907;1465522083;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: scales but note how wot dun keep anyone from being stabbed, we have other tools for that
1479908;1465522112;asciilifeform;it is part of balanced diet of defense
1479909;1465522135;mircea_popescu;still ; you have a botnet you're worried about, can parcel it out, rent 10 chunks of 1k machines to 10 people, see who runs with it etc.
1479910;1465522144;mircea_popescu;trust. it builds. all that's needed is a marketplace to build it.
1479911;1465522167;asciilifeform;~HOW~ do you intend to attribute the defection?
1479912;1465522185;asciilifeform;wot relies on attribution of deeds, misdeeds.
1479913;1465522192;asciilifeform;on some identity.
1479914;1465522201;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as something is computable ; defection is attributable.
1479915;1465522207;asciilifeform;here we are speaking of infected boxes.
1479916;1465522224;mircea_popescu;whatever we may be speaking of.
1479917;1465522228;asciilifeform;in ~all cases, ~multiply~ infected. syphiliticly.
1479918;1465522239;mircea_popescu;so then what exactly was lost.
1479919;1465522247;asciilifeform;can't attribute worth shit.
1479920;1465522265;asciilifeform;well, potentially any and all nodes, lost. whenever.
1479921;1465522279;mircea_popescu;soooo why should we care about this ?
1479922;1465522316;asciilifeform;gotta have some minimal level of working node, neh?
1479923;1465522346;asciilifeform;otherwise if it dun need to actually work, we can proclaim that we already have it!11111
1479924;1465522378;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479854
1479925;1465522378;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 01:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479805 << doesn't have to be botnet. for one thing, once this is ready i'll be running it on dedi boxes. for another thing, you make your own administrative policies. sell for whatever price you want whatever you want to sell.
1479926;1465522400;asciilifeform;this is more practical.
1479927;1465522426;asciilifeform;but less 'sexy', no atms, nukes...
1479928;1465522459;mircea_popescu;it's plenty sexy. it resolves a number of notable problems, correctly - which is to say without support for usg.
1479929;1465522478;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479833 <<< don't deal with bozos.
1479930;1465522478;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 00:46 asciilifeform: you rent out yer chumpnet, and some bozo installs, e.g., 'cryptolocker', on all the nodes.
1479931;1465522514;asciilifeform;you still want something that survives occasional bozo.
1479932;1465522521;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479839 << really, who the everloving shit cares about the needs, hopes and aspirations of 19yo script kiddies. fuck 'em. maybe if they have a sister and she's slutty i might be interested.
1479933;1465522521;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 01:09 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479838 << i was speaking of how most folks even get their proggy on the infected boxes in the first place
1479934;1465522542;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform once evolutionary pressure is on, you might even get that something.
1479935;1465522583;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1479850 << something of this very nature.
1479936;1465522583;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 01:15 phf: but you can easily upgrade open access service to a custom service and charge for the extra work too. if you want your ads injected on all machines, you don't get to put own exe, needs to spec out the problem and give it to botnet owner to develop. also means that particularly losery owners will rapidly transfer their botnets to smarter crowd
1479937;1465522588;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: discussed kiddiez because currently that is what lives there. like chukcha, in the north. ~nobody else there.
1479938;1465522607;mircea_popescu;but you discuss it as if i'd give a half of a flying fuck.
1479939;1465522639;mircea_popescu;this is the borg. cube lands and starts sucking the earth from under their feet. no shits given, at all, much like i don't look for anthill oppinions before during or after real estate development.
1479940;1465522644;asciilifeform;strictly in light of 'client can hose the boxes' which applies to chukcha and mircea_popescu alike.
1479941;1465522686;asciilifeform;builders ~do~ give fuck re termites.
1479942;1465522706;mircea_popescu;client that hoses boxes i suppose doesn't get to rent more, what.
1479943;1465522722;asciilifeform;and how do you know which one did it ?
1479944;1465522729;mircea_popescu;you know who you rent to, do you ?
1479945;1465522748;asciilifeform;say you rent to 1000 folks.
1479946;1465522755;asciilifeform;next day, all nodes vanish.
1479947;1465522758;mircea_popescu;"list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate." this has a meaning.
1479948;1465522759;asciilifeform;now wat
1479949;1465522767;mircea_popescu;you rent THE SAME item to 1k diff folks ?
1479950;1465522786;phf;what happened to wot?
1479951;1465522787;mircea_popescu;this is a wotless joke. you don't even know 1k people.
1479952;1465522797;asciilifeform;'no overlaps' is one solution.
1479953;1465522801;mircea_popescu;phf we're playing this alf invented game where he picks an item and ignores all the rest.
1479954;1465522843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fine, make it six people. how do you find the traitor (or simple incompetent who let his nodes get hijacked by third party)
1479955;1465522886;asciilifeform;this is an approachable problem, and i wanted to learn what mircea_popescu 's approach is.
1479956;1465522901;asciilifeform;'lalalala not problem and stfu' is not an approach.
1479957;1465522906;mircea_popescu;a) if your control on the box is strong, then your control on the box is strong. this means you fix the problem ; b) if your control on the box is weak, this means your control on the box is weak. this means you understand you can lose it.
1479958;1465522922;asciilifeform;if it is ever a winblowz box, it is weak.
1479959;1465522936;asciilifeform;if you infected it, others could have also.
1479960;1465522939;mircea_popescu;wtf is so hard about this. so random twerp likes to have b and pretend it's a. good for him, random twerps like to lie in their accounting ever since they were invented. this is what "bitcoin investments" on the forum were all about throughout. so ?
1479961;1465522967;asciilifeform;there is no 'a'. not in botnet.
1479962;1465522972;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't have a solution ; because this is a design not an implementation.
1479963;1465522993;mircea_popescu;i know it's not an ~insurmountable~ problem, in the context and per the definitions relevant.
1479964;1465523001;mircea_popescu;and that's just about all i care about.
1479965;1465523011;asciilifeform;damn and here i was expecting a philosopher's stone!1111
1479966;1465523052;mircea_popescu;yeah well. anyway, if your windows boxes are owned through the tenuous interface of whatever random chump-trojan, perhaps not allow a number of operations you feel you're vulnerable to.
1479967;1465523056;asciilifeform;one very simple solution is to recruit new nodes faster than whoever can ruin them.
1479968;1465523068;mircea_popescu;such as, sell them out for number crunching ; but not for pinging. or w/e.
1479969;1465523101;asciilifeform;and this.
1479970;1465523127;mircea_popescu;but in general, i fully expect this to work in the sense that random kid makes money to play everquest or w/e the fuck he plays through the avenue of renting the box.
1479971;1465523172;asciilifeform;would go well with keccakcoin or other cpu miner's paradise, also.
1479972;1465523172;mircea_popescu;his government pays an extra 40 bux a month ; his parents pay an extra 30 bux a month (not counting amortisation for hardware) and he gets 15 dollars a month out of maybe 25 to 50 dollars' worth of monthly utility delivered to the world.
1479973;1465523193;mircea_popescu;yet another avenue to bleed the state and it's supporters (fucktarded parents with utility bills).
1479974;1465523195;mircea_popescu;win-win.
1479975;1465523213;asciilifeform;sorta like bitcoin circa 2010.
1479976;1465523230;asciilifeform;when whole university labz were mining.
1479977;1465523311;asciilifeform;i very deeply grasp ~what~ mircea_popescu wants to achieve with this thing, and it is a thing that direly needs doing. but not so trivial!
1479978;1465523358;*;asciilifeform brb 
1479979;1465523883;BingoBoingo;mod6: fixed, just need the deedbot wiki url
1479980;1465524477;BingoBoingo;found, fxd
1479981;1465527123;mod6;cool!
1479982;1465527172;mod6;im still working on a bit of a write up here...
1479983;1465527191;mod6;do I have to add the HTML, links and all that? Or do you do the mark up?
1479984;1465527195;mod6;How does that work?
1479985;1465528533;BingoBoingo;You use the limited necessary set of html markup to accomplish the task <b> <i> <a> <blockquote> etc
1479986;1465530679;mod6;you don't want me to use a bunch of JS to do a bunch of things to make your eyes bleed?
1479987;1465530683;mod6;:D
1479988;1465530814;mod6;do you want me to put in the class attributes?
1479989;1465530880;mod6;like this: <div class="entry-content">
1479990;1465530882;mod6;?
1479991;1465530889;BingoBoingo;no
1479992;1465530892;BingoBoingo;no divs
1479993;1465530895;BingoBoingo;no js
1479994;1465530930;mod6;no ajax?
1479995;1465530935;mod6;:P
1479996;1465530944;mod6;OK, so then what.
1479997;1465530950;mod6;encrypt and send to you for review?
1479998;1465531025;BingoBoingo;encrypt sign and dpaste
1479999;1465531044;BingoBoingo;in some order
1480000;1465531119;mod6;clearsign+encrypt -> dpaste ?
1480001;1465531146;mod6;my apologies, is this documented somewhere?
1480002;1465531649;mod6;%r foobar 1
1480003;1465531652;mod6;%r foobar 2
1480004;1465532032;mod6;BingoBoingo hey, turns out that I won't have time to finish this tonight, and probably not until tomorrow night at very earliest.
1480005;1465532040;BingoBoingo;k
1480006;1465532045;mod6;should I just send you what I've got?
1480007;1465532052;BingoBoingo;mod6: on trilema and the drinking record
1480008;1465532057;BingoBoingo;Submit it when it is finished
1480009;1465532069;BingoBoingo;No sooner
1480010;1465532114;mod6;this kidna thing isn't forme.
1480011;1465532732;BingoBoingo;Well you've got to try everything at least once in life
1480012;1465533827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure, just gotta start peeling at a corner.
1480013;1465533896;mircea_popescu;mod6 aww, you didn't choke on the submit part did you ? just gpg --encrypt --armor -r  bingo and put the text into dpaste or wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com
1480014;1465534081;BingoBoingo;^
1480015;1465546686;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 <<< it does, however when i look at http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/UCI_tickets.html it seems to me #7 should be an antecedent of 3,4,5,6 but not the other way around
1480016;1465546686;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:04 mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
1480017;1465546757;davout;in other words i don't get how a worker could be made if the interface it should honor isn't defined beforehand
1480018;1465557528;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/QZA
1480019;1465557529;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1480020;1465558472;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'James Bottomley <jejb@kernel.org>; James Bottomley <JBottomley@Odin.com>; James Bottomley <JBottomley@Parallels.com>; James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23B2173C2FF1A9C43007D526720EA2B9EC1CB4AC21503429ACFBA1DA022517B3
1480021;1465558472;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'FAKE: key generation test; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A8E8A26D309CBC4A73BD31E3D6C6AE49AB443FA58E2A9A823BAA868189AB6A5
1480022;1465558472;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kampfkunstzentrum Reutlingen <info@kampfkunst-rt.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/876B66A5F4BB61D4B8BDCDB4F88B565D213C3A3D906FA1656E9E1F841AA2D0E9
1480023;1465558472;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'James Bottomley <jejb@kernel.org>; James Bottomley <JBottomley@Odin.com>; James Bottomley <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>; James Bottomley <JBottomley@Parallels.com>; James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0C29F242AB444DCCCF5CB1DE389F7364C70C2BC6546581AD714F304746CDFD65
1480024;1465561540;jurov;mod6: BingoBoingo: btcalpha is mike-c's thing
1480025;1465566303;mircea_popescu;davout why ?
1480026;1465566321;mircea_popescu;of course the interface is how the worker's written not the other way around.
1480027;1465566405;asciilifeform; <jejb@kernel.org>; << l0lllz. such is bitrot, we all knew, high-energy photons are attracted by the toe fungus of kernel devs; physics nobel at 11.
1480028;1465566445;asciilifeform;in other lulz:
1480029;1465566480;asciilifeform;'Around 800 backbone fiber connections in the continental US (95+% of the backbone) have been tapped for data collection. Some of the telcos are aware of this, but are silently cooperating by not implementing point-to-point bulk traffic encryption. There is an extensive ghost network that connects these nodes, enabling traffic analysis and tracing in near-real time. As of recently, the passive taps are being converted to active filte
1480030;1465566480;asciilifeform;ring nodes, enabling traffic disruption and injection. This means that all the talk about legal instruments, NSLs etc. is immaterial, and that Tor traffic is practically vulnerable.'
1480031;1465566635;mircea_popescu;in other non-news, http://www.ilsecoloxix.it/rf/Image-lowres_Multimedia/IlSecoloXIXWEB/magazine/gossip/foto/2016/02/25/yvonne_splashnews-H160225193316.jpg
1480032;1465566657;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480022 << apparently it's a... karateka.
1480033;1465566658;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 11:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kampfkunstzentrum Reutlingen <info@kampfkunst-rt.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/876B66A5F4BB61D4B8BDCDB4F88B565D213C3A3D906FA1656E9E1F841AA2D0E9
1480034;1465566697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suddenly the value of point to point encrypted traffic at the box level becomes apparent ?
1480035;1465566709;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: apparent eons ago
1480036;1465566711;mircea_popescu;the empire is cheap, because the empire is poor.
1480037;1465566758;asciilifeform;empire is made of cocksucking satrapies who wouldn't point-encrypt if martians gave them the gear for free.
1480038;1465566773;mircea_popescu;well, the martians are.
1480039;1465566962;asciilifeform;lel who's the leathery old chick
1480040;1465567051;mircea_popescu;"big star" of the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471914 tv school.
1480041;1465567051;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 20:46 mircea_popescu: the system's been around for decades ; i fucked a bunch in my day. recently they tried to close the thing down, arrested gals by the pail, but... from what i hear it didn't take.
1480042;1465567097;asciilifeform;and incidentally, 'the passive taps are being converted to active filtering nodes' >>> <<< http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-17#1345736 etc.
1480043;1465567097;a111;Logged on 2015-12-17 23:25 ascii_field: meanwhile, 'socket no message in first 60 seconds, 0 1' between two boxes which i control
1480044;1465567105;mircea_popescu;in the same vein https://twitter.com/elena_morali note the "Per info e serate:Katia Rimmaudo +39 366 3542452 email: katia.rimmaudo@gmail.com" part.
1480045;1465567118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1480046;1465567157;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467633 << see also.
1480047;1465567157;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 14:54 asciilifeform: the 'let's talk plaintext to randos' thing was great while it lasted.
1480048;1465568388;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 aww, you didn't choke on the submit part did you ? just gpg --encrypt --armor -r  bingo and put the text into dpaste or wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com << ah, no. my writing isn't good. so lol, it's difficult for me.
1480049;1465568401;mod6;the gpg part isn't a prob or whatever.
1480050;1465568414;mircea_popescu;a
1480051;1465568476;mod6;speaking of which, i think I'm going to need to rework this whole antecedent thing.  while building it, it seemed to make sense to me, but now, looking at it through a different set of eyes, it seems unintuitive at best, out right backwards at worst.
1480052;1465568527;mod6;so im gonna dig into that a bit today, and see what needs to change if anything -- the structure shouldn't change too much, just a lot of labeling to make it more .... intuitive.
1480053;1465569145;deedbot;[Trilema] Come see babies having sex - http://trilema.com/2016/come-see-babies-having-sex/
1480054;1465569469;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry
1480055;1465569527;asciilifeform;^ a new, bolder microshit infects binaries at build time
1480056;1465569559;Framedragger;alf is like a good decent-link-filter-and-repost bot #b-a -> #trilema
1480057;1465569586;mircea_popescu;lol
1480058;1465569589;mircea_popescu;hey, apparently it works.
1480059;1465569602;asciilifeform;Framedragger: somebody gotta do the salvage work.
1480060;1465569606;Framedragger;can't complain. *muh links get st0len*
1480061;1465569671;Framedragger;it's just logging timestamps to windows event logger it seems. but still bold and shitty
1480062;1465569690;mircea_popescu;turns out this "telemetry" is an utter misnomer, "etw" is just a stack trace a la windows ?
1480063;1465569697;asciilifeform;anything in the binary you didn't put there == infection.
1480064;1465569708;mircea_popescu;but the thing itself is... a stack trace. right ?
1480065;1465569710;asciilifeform;like the 'unique id' crapolade microshit stuff into everything from vs exe to word docs.
1480066;1465569749;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: etw seems to be a more generic framework than that, but can't be bothered to look too deeply. something like that anyway
1480067;1465569752;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it calls an undocumented api thing that can do whatever the fuck microshit wants it to do on next update.
1480068;1465569753;mircea_popescu;"users should add notelemetry.obj to their linker command line" lol k.
1480069;1465569764;Framedragger;i don't think it's a complete stack trace. it's just timestamps?
1480070;1465569769;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform admitting for a moment windows can actually do things.
1480071;1465569788;mircea_popescu;Framedragger carroll dude is blathering about how it works if "customer also supplies symbol info"
1480072;1465569805;mircea_popescu;so yeah i guess half of one.
1480073;1465569825;mircea_popescu;since when are timestamps the way to approach this btw ?
1480074;1465569827;Framedragger;ah, right, i see why you'd think that. yeah so something of the kind, partially. ugh M$
1480075;1465569830;asciilifeform;the way it works,
1480076;1465569833;asciilifeform;is that it is a placeholder.
1480077;1465569841;asciilifeform;say next year it will write not only timestamp but exe hash to log.
1480078;1465569844;mircea_popescu;Framedragger right ? kinda how they do shit.
1480079;1465569861;Framedragger;welll, NT kernel is a piece of engineering, whatever your feelings for M$
1480080;1465569861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no because itwillbeoff.jpg
1480081;1465569868;asciilifeform;year after that, it uploads this log on daily basis (along with the keystroke logs we already know to exist starting in win8) to microshit. etc.
1480082;1465569868;Framedragger;but yeah of course fuck them, can't argue with that
1480083;1465569879;asciilifeform;and ahahaha itwillbeoff.jpg yeahlol.
1480084;1465569884;mircea_popescu;you're like from the 90s or something!
1480085;1465569903;mircea_popescu;there's been 25 years of "pubic opinion" and "internet community" PROGRESS since then!
1480086;1465569910;asciilifeform;quite.
1480087;1465569911;Framedragger;muh idol is bill gatez he the great hack3r
1480088;1465569919;Framedragger;true, true
1480089;1465569920;mircea_popescu;what rock have you been living under! teh jwz chorus won all the wars, what.
1480090;1465569980;Framedragger;i do remember investigating how a few of them ring 0 windows rootkits work, thereby sort of delving into NT internals... it's a world unto itself. and it's full of objects!!! ah, childhood :D
1480091;1465570018;Framedragger;iirc they have their own solution for pipes, which does work
1480092;1465570021;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/2426472/details.htm
1480093;1465570023;mircea_popescu;" http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/2426472/details.htm
1480094;1465570023;mircea_popescu;<mirceayyy> I'm Lilly.  I am a very liberal SJW activist who is also into very kinky sex.  I am on here to finally to what I know in my heart is right and fair and find an African American person whom wants to own a white slave.  I am very obedient, can cook, clean, and do whatever else would be required of me."
1480095;1465570024;Framedragger;but there's also this [one sec]
1480096;1465570075;Framedragger;^ wow, fetishisation of social something much
1480097;1465570120;Framedragger;THIS https://mollyrocket.com/casey/stream_0029.html -- example of internal windows APIs... it's full of dragons. spoiler alert: vomit
1480098;1465570145;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i have much of this rubbish in hardcopy here.
1480099;1465570154;asciilifeform;for years.
1480100;1465570157;Framedragger;(it's a long post but a nice read for one of them rainy days)
1480101;1465570166;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe black dudes looking for a derpy slavegirl in audience.
1480102;1465570177;asciilifeform;;;seen thestringpuller
1480103;1465570178;gribble;thestringpuller was last seen in #trilema 10 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> phf: turning the logs into genius.com?
1480104;1465570182;Framedragger;asciilifeform: undocumented windows NT features or sth like that? there was a book...
1480105;1465570191;asciilifeform;Framedragger: more than one
1480106;1465570216;mod6;boy. i think that the logic might be correct in there -- but boy oh boy is "ANTECEDENT(s)" a bad label.
1480107;1465570225;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i'm sure you've had good fun with them :)
1480108;1465570235;mod6;should read "ANTECEDENT OF" if anything
1480109;1465570242;mod6;does anyone agree with that assessment?
1480110;1465570243;asciilifeform;Framedragger: not so much fun, but some profit.
1480111;1465570301;Framedragger;fair enough
1480112;1465570367;*;Framedragger remembers writing a shitty "back-connect" backdoor, coupling it with keylogger and a shitty "Hacker Defender" (sic) rootkit which hides the former two, and installing the bundle onto school PCs running the latest AV...
1480113;1465570372;mod6;eh, maybe not.
1480114;1465570454;mircea_popescu;mod6 i've been thinking about it since yest.
1480115;1465570464;mod6;so... all of these obnoxious mental gymnastics are because i didn't want to use the term "blocker"
1480116;1465570472;mod6;which it really should read
1480117;1465570475;mod6;i.e.
1480118;1465570487;mod6;%p UCI 2
1480119;1465570488;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 2, Type: F, Subject: #trilema standard bot, Antecedents: , Notes: Should be capable of maintaining connection to channel ; interfacing with deedbot ; interfacing with Lordship/voiced users.
1480120;1465570497;mircea_popescu;but not exactly see, because for instance in uti oops i mean uci thing : 4 doesn't block 7 if 3 is present say.
1480121;1465570502;mod6;err
1480122;1465570506;mod6;%p UCI 8
1480123;1465570507;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 8, Type: F, Subject: Create UCI supervisor, Antecedents: 2,7, Notes: Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accepted commands,
1480124;1465570520;mod6;2 & 7 are blockers to the completion of 8
1480125;1465570526;mircea_popescu;yes, but look at 7
1480126;1465570530;mircea_popescu;%p UCI 7
1480127;1465570532;tb0t;Project: UCI, ID: 7, Type: I, Subject: Research and design UCI/worker interface., Antecedents: 3,4,5,6, Notes: UCI element should expose significant portions of native ability (at a very minimum networking ; math processing - CPU and VidCard ; storage - RAM and HDD) through an unified, lightweight interface. Feature load less important than simplicity.
1480128;1465570541;mircea_popescu;arguably ANY ONE of 3, 4, 5, 6 is sufficient.
1480129;1465570567;mircea_popescu;so calling them antecedents is actually correct : they're the earlier pieces.
1480130;1465570586;mod6;ok! so you're looking at it the same way i was then -- and I thought this yesterday.
1480131;1465570596;mod6;which is why I think your graph for UCI is correct.
1480132;1465570605;mircea_popescu;my only thing was with the arrows, because currently they go against the flow of entropy.
1480133;1465570610;mod6;just not sure if anyone else will see it that way. but i guess that doesn't quite matter either.
1480134;1465570612;mircea_popescu;of course, they go with the logic flow, i suppose.
1480135;1465570710;mod6;yeah, i see how that, especially in this case as opposed to V does warp the mind a bit.
1480136;1465570763;mod6;because goal with this is not just to flow in to one direction, the goal is to recurse and solve from the leaves to root.
1480137;1465570795;mod6;hmm. ok. i gotta run here for a bit.  will think on it a bit more.  thanks!
1480138;1465570802;mircea_popescu;basically. i mean, that's the point right ? for people to pick up tickets and push through
1480139;1465570816;mod6;yeah.
1480140;1465571792;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] It’s never too soon for an Uninterruptible Power Supply. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/10/its-never-too-soon-for-an-uninterruptible-power-supply/
1480141;1465572120;asciilifeform;l0l he found a floor-standing one
1480142;1465572175;asciilifeform;(my rack-mount thing also, in fact, stands on floor. in one of those '90s-era 'full tower pedestals' with the ratcheting clamp)
1480143;1465572242;deedbot;[Qntra] WOTless Bitcoin n00b Scammed For Millions Of Fiat Tokens - http://qntra.net/2016/06/wotless-bitcoin-n00b-scammed-for-millions-of-fiat-tokens/
1480144;1465572779;Framedragger;lol just had a meeting with boss: he wants to create a general valuation (as in IP valuation) framework for cryptocurrencies
1480145;1465572794;Framedragger;just explained what public ledger is
1480146;1465572800;Framedragger;gonna be interesting
1480147;1465572901;trinque;what
1480148;1465572946;trinque;Framedragger: aside from the market cap of the thing?
1480149;1465572960;trinque;sounds like he read an article on blockchain teckmology
1480150;1465573031;Framedragger;yes, aside from that
1480151;1465573067;Framedragger;one of potential clients: scotcoin (as in chief operators - haven't looked yet if that even makes sense)
1480152;1465573102;Framedragger;yeah it's probably bull; interesting to think in terms of IP though, whether there's a valuation methodology possible
1480153;1465573507;Framedragger;i detest these glossy landing page designs. then again, maybe a stability point has been reached on the web, in the sense of content-less websites now employing a content-less form
1480154;1465573626;Framedragger;> look for EBITDA
1480155;1465573626;Framedragger;> find emoji javascript and jquery scroll animation
1480156;1465574036;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480051 <<< seems intuitive enough to me
1480157;1465574036;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 14:21 mod6: speaking of which, i think I'm going to need to rework this whole antecedent thing.  while building it, it seemed to make sense to me, but now, looking at it through a different set of eyes, it seems unintuitive at best, out right backwards at worst.
1480158;1465574110;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480025 <<< because the alternative is accepting arbitrary executables
1480159;1465574110;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 13:45 mircea_popescu: davout why ?
1480160;1465574611;trinque;asciilifeform: maybe you can find the thread for Framedragger regarding whether certain things (bitcoin, V) can have "valuation"
1480161;1465574619;trinque;I've been searching, haven't found
1480162;1465574640;asciilifeform;trinque: i have nfi what is meant
1480163;1465574678;asciilifeform;$s pay for sunlight
1480164;1465574679;a111;3 results for "pay for sunlight", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pay%20for%20sunlight
1480165;1465574681;asciilifeform;^ this ?
1480166;1465574712;trinque;yeah that one
1480167;1465574915;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in heathendom, https://bitbet.us/bet/1276/bitcoin-block-larger-than-1mb-to-be-mined
1480168;1465574924;asciilifeform;^ how the fuck does this even make sense as written ?
1480169;1465574937;asciilifeform;let's start with 'If a bitcoin block strictly larger than 1000000 bytes (1 MB) gets mined on the main chain and subsequently receives more than 100 confirmations before December 31st 2016 at midnight GMT included, this bet resolves as "Yes".'
1480170;1465574953;asciilifeform;how does a gavinblock - definitionally - sit on 'main chain' ?
1480171;1465574957;asciilifeform;even in principle.
1480172;1465574961;asciilifeform;can someone tell me ?
1480173;1465574988;asciilifeform;'Should a block strictly larger than 1Mb get mined, betting will close immediately and all bets received after the event (where "received" means "bet transaction gets one confirmation on the bitcoin network") will be refunded, minus BitBet's fee.' << aaaaand there went mircea_popescu's 'anti-chiseling' thing. gone, just like that.
1480174;1465575358;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ahahahaha oookay.
1480175;1465575410;mircea_popescu;ftr : not only it's impossible to have an "ip valuation of bitcoin", but moreover the bitcoin valuation of ip returns 0.
1480176;1465575551;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480158 << this makes no sense. who starts building from the interface ?
1480177;1465575551;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 15:55 davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480025 <<< because the alternative is accepting arbitrary executables
1480178;1465575690;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480172 << i'll pass, let whoever's getting paid for this handle it.
1480179;1465575690;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 16:09 asciilifeform: can someone tell me ?
1480180;1465575718;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah i mean.. yeah. it's almost as if: if bitcoin valuation of ip returns > 0, then bitcoin failed in terms of one of its design principles, or something
1480181;1465575730;Framedragger;i dunno. gonna be interesting. will update if any good comes out of it (or bad..)
1480182;1465575870;mircea_popescu;alternatively you could explain to your boss that a) he's not terribly informed, and if he's interested in this sort of thing b) really should make gpg id and show up here with his q's.
1480183;1465575872;mircea_popescu;which
1480184;1465575882;mircea_popescu;will also have the great benefit of c) clip his wings a shade.
1480185;1465576041;ben_vulpes;"intellectual property"?
1480186;1465576048;mircea_popescu;i presume.
1480187;1465576086;ben_vulpes;yeah, that's not terrifically well thought-out.
1480188;1465576114;ben_vulpes;"what is the value of owning source code for a token system that everyone else must have a copy of in order to play?"
1480189;1465576130;ben_vulpes;p much just the value of the tokens neh
1480190;1465576171;ben_vulpes;i doubt a binary-only 'bitcoinalike' would fly even were it wot-o-genic
1480191;1465576178;mircea_popescu;reading the specs of that ds1500b-rm opti-ups thing... output voltage regulation +/- 2% ?! srsly, that noisy ?
1480192;1465576201;ben_vulpes;heh american "engineering rounding error"
1480193;1465576225;mircea_popescu;but if it cycles from -4 to +4 V it's noisier than grid power.
1480194;1465576315;ben_vulpes;no idea
1480195;1465576338;ben_vulpes;'power supply' to me means i dial a voltage and it holds it to a hundredth of a volt.
1480196;1465576358;ben_vulpes;(within operating envelope)
1480197;1465576383;mircea_popescu;neway, i was thinking more of something a la http://www.steadypower.com/products.php?product=AKSA-APD%252dAT100-Generator-%28100kW%29
1480198;1465576388;mircea_popescu;(electronics not pictured)
1480199;1465576499;mircea_popescu;(doesn't have to come with the trailer, of course. you'll need a battery rack about the same size and a serious converter, ie, 100kW as opposed to 1050kW)
1480200;1465576558;ben_vulpes;the ups is just supposed to be a bridge to the gennie.
1480201;1465576586;ben_vulpes;either you can depend on the mains or you can't. and they're not getting better in NA.
1480202;1465576623;mircea_popescu;yeah but you want the bridge to be wide enough. 1kw is not practically useful - inductive charge for an average ac unit for instance easily beats 5kw
1480203;1465576624;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480176 <<< how could one build a basic calculator proggy without at least the rough interface specification of: "arithmetic expression goes in, scalar result comes out"?
1480204;1465576624;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 16:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480158 << this makes no sense. who starts building from the interface ?
1480205;1465576633;ben_vulpes;either provision for your "megawatt standard lifestyle" or...scramble around unplugging things to extend the tiny window before your node goes offline completely.
1480206;1465576662;ben_vulpes;what is really at issue here is one's connectivity to the bitcoin network. so yes, power. also, shortwave.
1480207;1465576677;mircea_popescu;davout because he's not supposed to do emulation on the worker. if your kernel runs javascript, you expose reals. if your kernel runs balanced ternary, you exposed balanced ternary.
1480208;1465576697;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes note that there's a lot of space between 100kw and 1mw.
1480209;1465576730;davout;mircea_popescu: so basically no sandboxing?
1480210;1465576745;mircea_popescu;davout not at worker level. you do that at administrative level.
1480211;1465576756;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: well megawatt lifestyle in survival mode
1480212;1465576793;davout;aha, so in other words tmsr is making its own docker
1480213;1465576801;ben_vulpes;davout: triggered
1480214;1465576805;mircea_popescu;http://www.steadypower.com/products.php?product=Gillette-SPS%252d120-Home-Standby-Generator-%2812kW%29 << ftr, very reasonable 12kw units available. 4k what's that, half a weekend trip.
1480215;1465576805;davout;or own aws
1480216;1465576832;mircea_popescu;davout own docker/aws/tor/silk road/nsa/cloudflare/dns/you name it.
1480217;1465576834;davout;ben_vulpes: who/what triggered who/what?
1480218;1465576843;ben_vulpes;> tmsr is making its own docker
1480219;1465576846;ben_vulpes;triggered me
1480220;1465576868;mircea_popescu;he's affecting that he can't hear docker, so we don't realise he sleeps with a stuffed bear with a penis that reads docker
1480221;1465576872;davout;ben_vulpes: one could also say tmsr is reinventing microservices
1480222;1465576873;davout;:D
1480223;1465576878;ben_vulpes;so triggered
1480224;1465576884;mircea_popescu;loller.
1480225;1465576913;davout;as we say: "je comprends vite mais il faut parfois m'expliquer longtemps"
1480226;1465576918;mircea_popescu;lol.
1480227;1465576964;mircea_popescu;(re above link : a buried gpl tank and a gpl/lp/ng generator possibly much better solution than gasoline powered. unless you actually intend to build a gasoline tank, which is a permit nightmare usually.)
1480228;1465577051;ben_vulpes;88 ft^3/hr?
1480229;1465577100;mircea_popescu;gillette also makes up to iirc 1mw units. but really, from both a redundancy and efficiency pov it's better to buy multiple smaller ones.
1480230;1465577107;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes hm ?
1480231;1465577150;ben_vulpes;estimating 500 gal tank capacity
1480232;1465577237;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu would be quite surprised what the % accuracy on sine coming out of mechanical genset is.
1480233;1465577255;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform just about 2%.
1480234;1465577271;asciilifeform;if no load.
1480235;1465577291;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well... they run ~50% efficiency, so you can get consumption from power rating pretty much. so you should expect about 1galon/hour drawn for every ~16kW of installed power. roughly speaking.
1480236;1465577309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has a petrol engine that does 50%!??
1480237;1465577310;ben_vulpes;oh that's an interesting approach
1480238;1465577325;asciilifeform;because that would be a historic moment
1480239;1465577327;ben_vulpes;i was just looking at fuel consumption as an upper bound
1480240;1465577344;asciilifeform;(20-30 is typical)
1480241;1465577370;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh it's not the 70s anymore!
1480242;1465577374;asciilifeform;actually it is.
1480243;1465577380;mircea_popescu;hater.
1480244;1465577396;asciilifeform;lel
1480245;1465577452;asciilifeform;anyway petrol generator is 'sexy', vrooom, vroom, but actual practice is that brown-outs, spikes, <30sec blackouts, are the real itch re computer user.
1480246;1465577472;asciilifeform;and for that petrol is quite irrelevant, you want doubleconverting ups with ample spare capacity and fresh battery.
1480247;1465577494;mircea_popescu;eh, you want the whole thing. converter ; battery and generator.
1480248;1465577503;mircea_popescu;no point in solving half-problems, especially when the shit's not even expensive.
1480249;1465577522;asciilifeform;thing is, even cheap generator, that has to be connected with extension cord and rolls on wheels out of garage, suffices if you have good doubleconverting ups
1480250;1465577530;asciilifeform;it makes the quality of the ~input~ ac irrelevant.
1480251;1465577536;asciilifeform;and gives you time to revv up the motor.
1480252;1465577557;asciilifeform;so long as we're speaking of a house, rather than datacentre or factory
1480253;1465577565;mircea_popescu;but to resolve your doubts asciilifeform : http://bestratedgenerators.com/most-fuel-efficient-portable-generator/ .7kW * 14 hrs = just about 10kw to the gallon. which is ok considering the tiny size.
1480254;1465577573;mircea_popescu;sane sized ones get better mileage.
1480255;1465577600;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you recall at no point "just a gas generator" was contemplated. that + battery bank + electronics = win.
1480256;1465577610;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the pictured gensets are what most folks have where i live.
1480257;1465577616;mircea_popescu;aha.
1480258;1465577616;asciilifeform;motorcycle engine.
1480259;1465577679;mircea_popescu;anyway, off top of head 400 kw generator eats ~28.5 gal/hr full load and ~15 half load ; 250 kw eats 18 and about 10. it degrades from there.
1480260;1465577719;asciilifeform;popular generator for folks with money, in usa, is stationary thing that runs of city gas when available and switches to diesel if not.
1480261;1465577746;mircea_popescu;these, it should be pointed out, are not THAT expensive. which is the important item here.
1480262;1465577767;mircea_popescu;if you're about to drop 1mn on a piece of property, the notion that you wouldn't drop a few tens of k's on actually having power for it is outright idiotic.
1480263;1465577767;asciilifeform;the installation is about half of the cost.
1480264;1465577774;asciilifeform;need Official electricians to sign off, etc.
1480265;1465577801;asciilifeform;and most large commercial buildings have these, although, strangely, not connected to the tenants' wiring ! - only lights and lifts.
1480266;1465577805;asciilifeform;mandated by some obscure law.
1480267;1465577816;asciilifeform;(where i live, anyway)
1480268;1465577867;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1480269;1465577889;asciilifeform;the most comical situation was of course in usgland. i was working at an army base, and there were the most titanically impressive generators i've ever seen, each easily the size of a train car, diesel cisterns two stories high, etc. BUT we still lost power in the lab. because somehow it wasn't connected to it.
1480270;1465577894;asciilifeform;and ~nothing else was.
1480271;1465577925;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1480272;1465577962;mircea_popescu;by the time you're talking traincar sized gensets, you're prolly better off building a small nuclear plant anyway.
1480273;1465577977;mircea_popescu;strangely enough, small nuclear plants are actually a lot safer than the large ones also.
1480274;1465577999;asciilifeform;many years ago, i was working in uni. of md., in the same building as one of the 'root dns' boxes. we had no fewer than 4 stationary diesels, of various makes. they worked.
1480275;1465578003;asciilifeform;and tested weekly.
1480276;1465578012;asciilifeform;loud.
1480277;1465578022;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'pebble reactor'
1480278;1465578027;asciilifeform;iirc it is now all the rage in jp.
1480279;1465578033;asciilifeform;can get office bldg. sized unit.
1480280;1465578038;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1480281;1465578038;asciilifeform;keep in the cellar.
1480282;1465578050;asciilifeform;i have nfi if these were actually sold or only eternally threatened to market.
1480283;1465578060;mircea_popescu;usually the traincar-boxed gensets are 1500-2000-2500 kw sorta deals.
1480284;1465578305;shinohai;http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/10/gawker-media-files-for-ch-11-bankruptcy-protection.html   <<< bwhahaha Gawker filers for Bankruptcy
1480285;1465578321;mircea_popescu;lol now that defo should be on qntra.
1480286;1465578337;mircea_popescu;preferably with a picture of a young man pissing on a grave.
1480287;1465578381;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform zee germanz had a small unit built at some point. then they tore it down because usg lobby for fucking them over ; ended up paying ~half a dollar per kW produced in "dismantling" costs.
1480288;1465578401;ben_vulpes;ahaha so thiel pulled it off?
1480289;1465578415;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes this is an ancient story.
1480290;1465578433;mircea_popescu;$google julich arbeitsgemeinschaft versuchsreaktor
1480291;1465578434;ben_vulpes;the bankrupting part is new to me
1480292;1465578438;deedbot;https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_(J%C3%BClich) << AVR (Jülich) – Wikipedia | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVR_reactor << AVR reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.ewn-gmbh.de/index.php?id=3 << bei der AVR GmbH!
1480293;1465578441;mircea_popescu;oh oh oh.
1480294;1465578447;mircea_popescu;my bad :p
1480295;1465578457;ben_vulpes;yes the vendetta is old
1480296;1465578462;ben_vulpes;but the kill -- fresh
1480297;1465578468;mircea_popescu;word.
1480298;1465578497;asciilifeform;not like the gawktrons will vanish.
1480299;1465578509;asciilifeform;they will be bought and operated.
1480300;1465578514;asciilifeform;a la reddit.
1480301;1465578521;ben_vulpes;by even dumber and poorer 'j-skool' grads
1480302;1465578534;ben_vulpes;and others with aspirations of relevance and no historical view
1480303;1465578553;mircea_popescu;well, yeah, but very progressive and looking for a black man to cook for.
1480304;1465578572;ben_vulpes;one in a fucking million, maybe.
1480305;1465578580;shinohai;paging BingoBoingo ... he has to write this one.
1480306;1465578580;mircea_popescu;good enough :D
1480307;1465578612;ben_vulpes;the rest have never had the autonomy over any scope to know how much better life is under a good master.
1480308;1465578627;ben_vulpes;show up and start in with the unfounded ideas.
1480309;1465578649;ben_vulpes;then "omg tensions were so high yesterday i don't want to come in"
1480310;1465578650;mircea_popescu;is this the voice of bitter experience ?
1480311;1465578663;ben_vulpes;"you better tell me you have the shits, because that excuse is completely unacceptable."
1480312;1465578681;mircea_popescu;;;ud the shits
1480313;1465578682;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1480314;1465578685;mircea_popescu;hm
1480315;1465578711;mircea_popescu;allow me to recommend perfectly definitive solution for the shits :
1480316;1465578715;mircea_popescu;$google eridiarom
1480317;1465578716;ben_vulpes;generic 'i dun wanna work' excuse.
1480318;1465578717;deedbot;https://www.novapublishers.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=14234 << EFFICACY OF PHYTOTHERAPEUTICAL PRODUCTS (ERIDIAROM ... | http://enzimatic.ro/Eridiarom%20Tratament%20Eficient%20%C3%8En%20prevenirea%20%C8%99i%20Tratarea%20diareelor%20neonatale%20(a%20nou-n%C4%83scu%C8%9Bilor)%20nespecifice%20%C8%99i%20a%20diareelor%20specifice << Eridiarom Tratament Eficient În prevenirea și Tratarea diareelor | http://www.romedic.ro/eridiarom-50-cps-tract-diges
1480319;1465578736;mircea_popescu;all natural. the only diarrhea that survives it is death.
1480320;1465578762;ben_vulpes;bitter?
1480321;1465578775;mircea_popescu;nope. tastes like blueberries, vaguely. and non-constipating either.
1480322;1465578792;ben_vulpes;i hope i don't taste like blueberries, and further how would you know?!
1480323;1465578809;mircea_popescu;i thought you were asking IF THE CURE IS BITTER!
1480324;1465578820;ben_vulpes;:D
1480325;1465578846;mircea_popescu;this is like trolling.
1480326;1465578874;ben_vulpes;not my fault you can't remember what you said two minutes ago
1480327;1465578894;mircea_popescu;i can ; but the rule is that question is fit to the closest non-contradicting context.
1480328;1465578920;mircea_popescu;it is your job to review the timeflow and add sufficient context so that your question is not fitted to later items under discussion than what you mean!
1480329;1465578921;ben_vulpes;yeah cuz saliency dun bear or something
1480330;1465578939;mircea_popescu;it's not "best fit", it's "first non-contradicted".
1480331;1465578940;ben_vulpes;why would i give a shit about the bitterness of a cure for a made up ailment i ask you
1480332;1465578963;mircea_popescu;but see, the parser should never consider this question. because if it does, it narrows unduly the space of possible expression.
1480333;1465578979;mircea_popescu;and we'll end up reddit-communicating, ie, each his own.
1480334;1465579119;ben_vulpes;have a pineapple
1480335;1465579122;ben_vulpes;and a us college grad
1480336;1465579160;ben_vulpes;i can't be arsed to shuck either of their inedible exteriors.
1480337;1465579700;mircea_popescu;in other google lulz : https://archive.is/sb3iJ wherein 4th result is "rockettcafe.com/iyob4x/mai-tipe-ros.html". now rockettcafe.com is some derpy texas eatery (which got scammed by the webtard community of a decade ago into "needing" a website), but the precise url google recommends actually does X-Powered-By: PHP/5.3.29 302 Location: coolin.in/for/77?d=rockettcafe.com
1480338;1465579879;mircea_popescu;supposedly all this pile of effort is getting paid through derps putting in their mobile # and then getting charged by telco ; of which gross the author makes ~40%.
1480339;1465579887;mircea_popescu;somehow i doubt it comes to anything, but whadda i know.
1480340;1465580248;mircea_popescu;brunsfieldrealestate.com/iyob4x/mai-tipe-ros.html << amusingly, same dir too.
1480341;1465580358;mircea_popescu;leconfortinnhotels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/iyob4x/xxx-photo-of-small-girl-hd.html << and now we know what's being sold, also. child porn! google reports no less than 106k hits!
1480342;1465580406;mircea_popescu;(server, of course, from microsoft)
1480343;1465580543;mircea_popescu;moar lulz http://vizhanyo.com/iyob4x/object.php.suspected
1480344;1465580581;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480338 << pestilential in ru
1480345;1465580581;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 17:31 mircea_popescu: supposedly all this pile of effort is getting paid through derps putting in their mobile # and then getting charged by telco ; of which gross the author makes ~40%.
1480346;1465580617;mircea_popescu;in argentina, telcos just steal the prepaid credit. no need for all this.
1480347;1465580634;asciilifeform;prepaid ?
1480348;1465580649;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1480349;1465580651;asciilifeform;as in 'call card' ?
1480350;1465580658;asciilifeform;wouldn't that put a small upper bound on the loot ?
1480351;1465580664;mircea_popescu;as in "i'm not making contracts with you get lost"
1480352;1465580668;mircea_popescu;it does yeah.
1480353;1465580692;mircea_popescu;argentines are like this. very very dumb.
1480354;1465580716;asciilifeform;prepaid mobiles exist in usa, extortionate cost.
1480355;1465580719;asciilifeform;(per-minute)
1480356;1465580732;mircea_popescu;yeah. ustards are like ~that~. just as dumb.
1480357;1465580779;asciilifeform;at one point they were 'anonymous' but then merchants were usgized into collecting names, addressed; today they are largely used by lumpens who can't get normal phone (as it requires credit history)
1480358;1465580787;asciilifeform;*addresses
1480359;1465580805;mircea_popescu;here they work as indended, ie anonymously.
1480360;1465580821;asciilifeform;no chinese 'want sim card - show passport' yet ?
1480361;1465580828;mircea_popescu;nope.
1480362;1465580830;asciilifeform;neat.
1480363;1465581002;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480309 << ben_vulpes this is a quote ?
1480364;1465581003;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 17:10 ben_vulpes: then "omg tensions were so high yesterday i don't want to come in"
1480365;1465581010;asciilifeform;someone said this ?
1480366;1465581092;mod6;<+davout> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480051 <<< seems intuitive enough to me << ah ok thanks davout
1480367;1465581092;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 14:21 mod6: speaking of which, i think I'm going to need to rework this whole antecedent thing.  while building it, it seemed to make sense to me, but now, looking at it through a different set of eyes, it seems unintuitive at best, out right backwards at worst.
1480368;1465581107;shinohai;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/06/appeals-court-rules-cops-can-legally-search-a-seized-credit-card-with-no-warrant/   <<< guess Ill have to print a retraction in Qntra
1480369;1465581193;asciilifeform;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/8ad7455c-8a8f-4269-a1df-0dbb37b7c224 << moar lulz
1480370;1465581213;asciilifeform;'When any U.S. telecommunications company wishes to install a physical fiber optic connection, and that connection cross into or out of the national borders of the United States, the company which terminates the fiber, in what is called a "landing" is required under federal law to obtain an "International Landing" license, and this is done via the Federal Communications Commission, and there is ALWAYS, repeat ALWAYS, an unclassified
1480371;1465581213;asciilifeform;version of the license and then a classified addendum to the agreement. The company who seek the license will be assigned a classified compartments code name that will be "Top Secret/ESI" with the ESI standing for "Extremely Sensitive Information" as disclosure could directly lead to economic devastation to the company, and their involvement must be kept secret.'
1480372;1465581217;shinohai;I wonder if that applies equally to qr codes
1480373;1465581505;asciilifeform;'At Tuckerton, Lynn, and other sites, since just after 9/11/2001 if you place a call from Washington, DC to Boston, the call does not actually get sent over underground cables inside the United States, but rather the call gets injected into an international landing site, and routed to Great Britain, and then sent back to the same U.S. Landing location, essentially being a loopback in the UK. Because the loopback caused the signal to
1480374;1465581505;asciilifeform;be transmitted over a U.S. border, then legally the NSA/CIA/SCS will claim that it then falls into an international transmission and that they are justified in performing an intercept, even though it is a domestic call, but because it was shot out of the United States over an international loopback. Another wrinkle is because this loopback to the UK, the British government will also intercept it at the loopback point, so that the cal
1480375;1465581507;asciilifeform;l gets shared by two independent espionage entities.'
1480376;1465581514;asciilifeform;^ old nyooz to connoisseurs, but lulzy.
1480377;1465581538;mircea_popescu;aha.
1480378;1465581596;asciilifeform;moar lulzily, where is the supposed 'economic devastation'.
1480379;1465581608;asciilifeform;now that even pigeons in the park know that 100% of telcos participate.
1480380;1465581615;mircea_popescu;the obvious pill being, of course, point to point encryption via uci on top of end to end encryption via gossipd.
1480381;1465581703;asciilifeform;the usg circus tricks weren't cheap, and were very clearly carried out with the assumption that no one would ever discover working crypto.
1480382;1465581710;asciilifeform;can't see any other model for this.
1480383;1465581726;mircea_popescu;you keep re-injecting this "usg has a head" thing.
1480384;1465581734;mircea_popescu;it's dogvomit, not a vole. it has no head.
1480385;1465581749;mircea_popescu;grew whicever way the dead tree was.
1480386;1465581835;asciilifeform;difficult to escape this conclusion.
1480387;1465582041;asciilifeform;incidentally...
1480388;1465582063;asciilifeform;;;calc 10**12 / ((9600 / 8) * 60 * 60 * 24)
1480389;1465582064;gribble;9645.0617284
1480390;1465582083;asciilifeform;CONTIGUOUS DAYS at 9600 baud, on 1TB disk of otp.
1480391;1465582099;asciilifeform;that's 26 motherfucking years.
1480392;1465582106;asciilifeform;of shell time.
1480393;1465582186;asciilifeform;1TB can fit under the skin of little finger, no need to even open arse.
1480394;1465582229;asciilifeform;i can't be the only one who ever did this bit of arithmetic.
1480395;1465582451;asciilifeform;;;calc 10**12 / ((115200 / 8) * 60 * 60 * 24 * 365)
1480396;1465582452;gribble;2.20206888776
1480397;1465582466;asciilifeform;years of 115.2kBaud, plenty adequate to do ~whatever.
1480398;1465582474;asciilifeform;(play Doom over ipx!1111111)
1480399;1465582483;asciilifeform;video chat. etc.
1480400;1465582522;asciilifeform;9600 is MOAR than what your telco gives you for voice chan.
1480401;1465582574;*;shinohai is now nostalgic for warez
1480402;1465582595;asciilifeform;and can anyone suggest good reason why a p2p link between two permanent stations ought to be anything other than otp ?
1480403;1465582850;trinque;asciilifeform: not really. if you wanted to move more data, could exchange pubkeys over the otp link.
1480404;1465582933;*;trinque imagines pad-courier as a nice gig for the wandering type
1480405;1465583638;asciilifeform;trinque: do you understand the point of otp ?
1480406;1465583650;asciilifeform;the point is to NOT USE ANYTHING ELSE
1480407;1465583662;asciilifeform;any ~even potentially breakable~ algo.
1480408;1465583663;asciilifeform;at all.
1480409;1465583811;asciilifeform;y'know, otp, where a bit of ciphertext conveys 0 BITS OF INFO re corresponding (or any other) bit of plaintext.
1480410;1465583841;trinque;yeah I do understand
1480411;1465583849;trinque;and I also move data bigger than 1tb in a given week
1480412;1465583877;asciilifeform;move with courier.
1480413;1465583891;asciilifeform;srsly 'taanstaafl.' (tm) (r) (heinlein)
1480414;1465583958;trinque;what does me moving a cramer shoup key over an otp link reveal about the otp link
1480415;1465583964;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-06#1398532 << see mega-thread.
1480416;1465583964;a111;Logged on 2016-02-06 20:47 mircea_popescu: your bias-less rng shits out n/2 ones. they go against a message containing 3/4n ones. they will flip n/2 items in the message, 3/4 of which being 1s and 1/4 being 0s. you thus end up with 3/8 old ones + 1/8 ex-zeroes for a grand total of exactly 1/2 whoa.
1480417;1465583968;trinque;obviously using the cramer shoup link is higher risk than the otp one
1480418;1465583976;asciilifeform;trinque: the answer is: ~something~
1480419;1465583979;asciilifeform;trivially provable.
1480420;1465583979;trinque;and perhaps I'm alright with that for certain things, not okay with that on others
1480421;1465583996;asciilifeform;and it isn't 'reveals re otp link'
1480422;1465584013;asciilifeform;it is that using ANY system other than otp moves some nonzero qty of info re plaintext with the ciphertext.
1480423;1465584020;asciilifeform;elementary proof (shannon)
1480424;1465584055;asciilifeform;essentially the Big Dirty Secret re crypto is that NO ONE HAS YET proven that non-otp cryptography ~actually exists~
1480425;1465584066;asciilifeform;in the sense of a permanent thing that does what it says on the box
1480426;1465584104;asciilifeform;quite arguably the entire 20th century circus re symmetric crypto (and possible every other kind) has been an elaborate - possibly engineered - distraction from this fact.
1480427;1465584125;asciilifeform;consider the lengths that were gone to, in order to keep folks using rotors after vernam (otp) was a thing.
1480428;1465584174;trinque;it could be. if so it would seem to rule out bitcoin entirely in present form
1480429;1465584180;trinque;deedbot.org uptime 77 days, RX bytes:129700966372 (120.7 GiB)  TX bytes:609770449367 (567.8 GiB)
1480430;1465584210;asciilifeform;trinque: bitcoin is arguable best - to date - cryptological canary.
1480431;1465584218;asciilifeform;*arguably
1480432;1465584231;asciilifeform;but canaries do not come with guarantees of timely death.
1480433;1465584311;asciilifeform;and yes, bitcoin (in the most general case) relies on there being such a thing as strong asymmetric crypto.
1480434;1465584357;asciilifeform;wot, incidentally, and contrary to popular belief - doesn't!! could, in principle, use lamport signatures.
1480435;1465584364;asciilifeform;which merely require strong hash, to exist.
1480436;1465584374;asciilifeform;(but are unwieldy.)
1480437;1465584426;asciilifeform;if not for this, you're stuck with in-person wotting and broken glass rods or other physical mechanisms of unforgeability.
1480438;1465584438;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the problems with otp aren't exactly bandwidth like that.
1480439;1465584463;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the use case contemplated, there ARE no problems.
1480440;1465584477;asciilifeform;can just as easily keep 1TB on a single chip die secret as 4096 bits.
1480441;1465584495;asciilifeform;mechanism weighs the same, has same physical shape.
1480442;1465584499;asciilifeform;costs slightly more.
1480443;1465584519;asciilifeform;thread was re point to point link between people who know one another.
1480444;1465584534;mircea_popescu;even so. how do you communicate the pads ?
1480445;1465584558;asciilifeform;by letting the two units fuck.
1480446;1465584563;mircea_popescu;this definition of "know one another" is very deep. there isn't 1tb of "knowledge" in your average marital relationship.
1480447;1465584584;asciilifeform;1 fuck per 26 years.
1480448;1465584594;asciilifeform;(9600 baud.)
1480449;1465584660;mircea_popescu;now, i can mentally construct a case for using this system ; with physically plugged units etc. you refer to it but don't actually discuss it.
1480450;1465584675;asciilifeform;;;calc 10**12 / ((1024*1024*100) * 60 * 60)
1480451;1465584675;gribble;2.64909532335
1480452;1465584683;mircea_popescu;should be obvious that, eg, this scheme doesn't work for a phone. what, i keep plugging extensions function of who's calling ?
1480453;1465584683;asciilifeform;fill time, in hours, using 100MB/s rng.
1480454;1465584696;asciilifeform;it works for POINT TO POINT phone. modem. whichever.
1480455;1465584702;asciilifeform;as in, hose with two ends.
1480456;1465584742;mircea_popescu;it'll be pretty expensive.
1480457;1465584747;asciilifeform;why?
1480458;1465584775;asciilifeform;a 1tb magnetic disk costs ~fiddybux.
1480459;1465584780;mircea_popescu;because network points that require servicing every 1tb of data throughput are about 10^8 less reliable than currently deployued items.
1480460;1465584804;mircea_popescu;which need servicing every 100 yottabytes or such.
1480461;1465584812;asciilifeform;didn't we just do a thread where mircea_popescu said 'piss on current-day 'reliable' ' ?
1480462;1465584820;asciilifeform;tapped == unreliable by definition.
1480463;1465584844;mircea_popescu;i was discussing capital goods reliability ; as an economic consideration.
1480464;1465584876;asciilifeform;and incidentally service doesn't have to mean interruption.
1480465;1465584886;asciilifeform;can fall over to new pad without old one being wholly exhausted.
1480466;1465584891;asciilifeform;like changing ups batteries.
1480467;1465584901;mircea_popescu;wasn't discussing ops reliability. but economic. "needs servicing" = costs btc.
1480468;1465584913;asciilifeform;yes, costs.
1480469;1465584922;mircea_popescu;hence "it will be expensive".
1480470;1465584930;asciilifeform;and it buys you the final solution to crypto headache.
1480471;1465584943;mircea_popescu;provided the rng is that good, which probably it is not etc.
1480472;1465584969;asciilifeform;whose 'probably.'
1480473;1465584986;asciilifeform;if thing is supplied by usg, whole thing 'probably' leaks 100% of bits to washington.
1480474;1465584989;asciilifeform;forget even rng.
1480475;1465584997;asciilifeform;if not supplied by rng - trivially works.
1480476;1465585010;asciilifeform;*by ug
1480477;1465585012;mircea_popescu;in general, a rng capable of delivering good quality data by the tb is not free.
1480478;1465585055;asciilifeform;to get the 2 hour fill, you will need at least 32 of mine.
1480479;1465585075;mircea_popescu;yeah, well...
1480480;1465585108;asciilifeform;(it is possible to use amp with higher slew rate and get moar bitz. but i deliberately used conservative design, with common parts)
1480481;1465585119;mircea_popescu;ironically, this level of assurance doesn't belong in the p2p part of the scheme, but exactly at the other end.
1480482;1465585132;asciilifeform;which?
1480483;1465585144;mircea_popescu;(uci) -> (gossipd) -> (user).
1480484;1465585158;mircea_popescu;at the USER end. if you want to otp the stuff you put through cs/rsa, by all means.
1480485;1465585224;Framedragger;ben_vulpes: IP is not just source code but shit like brand etc, and goodwill behind it. i'm not defending the foundation of IP, just sayin
1480486;1465585233;asciilifeform;it MUST go 'inside' the 'user' end, because otherwise enemy can cause you to waste pad.
1480487;1465585237;asciilifeform;by sending rubbish.
1480488;1465585245;mircea_popescu;Framedragger "goodwill" is not properly part of ip, no
1480489;1465585255;asciilifeform;(with pubkey barrier, he cannot)
1480490;1465585282;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: "intangible assets"
1480491;1465585290;mircea_popescu;not all intangibles are ip.
1480492;1465585296;Framedragger;god i should stop regurgitating my firm's propaganda
1480493;1465585299;Framedragger;true, of course
1480494;1465585317;Framedragger;we consider them to be ip, then try to put onto balance sheet, then inflate another co's value
1480495;1465585330;trinque;the good old "feelings" line item
1480496;1465585339;mircea_popescu;there's this pile of special pleading/peculiar interest "views" on reality. such as the marketeer derping about how "everyone else - contributes to costs ; marketing dept contributes to revenue".
1480497;1465585364;mircea_popescu;the "all intangibles are ip" is a similar clump of crap, sprouted by dickless failed lawyers who want to live the rest of their life in the "ip dept",
1480498;1465585397;Framedragger;ip dept rings a bell
1480499;1465585399;mircea_popescu;and get yachts quite as long as the "sec compliance" dickless failed lawyers or w/e/
1480500;1465585472;asciilifeform;what's 'dickless' or 'failed' about a 40ft yacht full of benjies ?
1480501;1465585494;mircea_popescu;also of some (psychiatric) interest, the nonsensical attempt to equate "meaning" altogether, as the concept, with the shoddy, untenable implementation by usg & friends. "ip" is not the superset of noesis ffs.
1480502;1465585517;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the failure and dicklessness attach to the derp not to the item.
1480503;1465585553;asciilifeform;my q is, if 'dickless failure' gets yacht, what does dickful success get ? aircraft carrier ?
1480504;1465585581;mircea_popescu;this q is broken.
1480505;1465585581;Framedragger;what's funny is the kind of schemes that these views make possible. e.g. you go to bank and bank says your co is worth shit. then you discover that you have "goodwill" etc. so you create another co. and license the use of the main co's TM etc. use to that other co. then you go to bank and show these invoices etc.; voila, inflated value
1480506;1465585603;mircea_popescu;Framedragger kinda how "civilised world" works, financially.
1480507;1465585605;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel
1480508;1465585606;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1480509;1465585656;Framedragger;yeah.
1480510;1465585660;mircea_popescu;hence "apple could buy russia - if only it wanted to!" "oh yeah, what about russia ?" "oh, putin just doesn't understand how the world works" "oh yeah ? and who;s going to show him ? you ?" "democracy! humanrights!" "fuck your mother."
1480511;1465585717;mircea_popescu;but whatever, let kink high have its jollies.
1480512;1465585806;Framedragger;the whole fucking UK is built on this back-and-forth financial-wannabe masturbation. in that sense, "fuck your mother" (which includes such material manifestations as russian winter as you try to move troops in it) sounds much more sober, lively and worthwhile, heh. /incoherent-ranting
1480513;1465585818;trinque;asciilifeform │ what's 'dickless' or 'failed' about a 40ft yacht full of benjies ? << the world belonging to someone else
1480514;1465586005;mircea_popescu;(ftr, 40ft yachts ~1-200k. less than "a house")
1480515;1465586144;mircea_popescu;70ft items are about 1.2-1.3mn, and closer to comfortable.
1480516;1465586293;mircea_popescu;fuckbed + coupla off duty girl beds + basic comforts like that. cooking remains a problem, obviously. but hey, at least you got the generator with you.
1480517;1465586532;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480516 << off duty?! who will work the sails ?
1480518;1465586532;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 19:18 mircea_popescu: fuckbed + coupla off duty girl beds + basic comforts like that. cooking remains a problem, obviously. but hey, at least you got the generator with you.
1480519;1465586544;asciilifeform;70ft is respectable schooner, no?
1480520;1465587883;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "yacht". they all have engines.
1480521;1465587889;asciilifeform;lame!
1480522;1465587896;mircea_popescu;heh.
1480523;1465588901;mircea_popescu;ftr, ocean faring with sails is a) not particularly practical in groups under ~100, nor with per-capita footage over ~1 meter or so ; nor can these really be women.
1480524;1465588969;asciilifeform;tell it to orlov.
1480525;1465588996;asciilifeform;or the vikings.
1480526;1465589229;mircea_popescu;orlov, iirc, is mostly notable for begging for engine replacement ?
1480527;1465589237;mircea_popescu;or wait, im confusing him with rms again aren't i.
1480528;1465589244;mircea_popescu;darn.
1480529;1465589247;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes did 'ruby on rails' for mac os ever ACTUALLY WORK?? https://github.com/sparklemotion/nokogiri/issues/1206 << seems like not ?
1480530;1465589247;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1480531;1465589267;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: orlov. he cheats with diesel motor when in port.
1480532;1465589268;mircea_popescu;also, vikings satisfied the rules. 100+ men in a 50 meter boat.
1480533;1465589271;asciilifeform;as most sail people appear to.
1480534;1465589279;mircea_popescu;or that's what they TELL YOU
1480535;1465589306;mircea_popescu;"oh, just you know... in port. and... at night. or when tired. or you know, when have to actually get somewhere."
1480536;1465589312;asciilifeform;lel
1480537;1465589315;asciilifeform;quite possible
1480538;1465589327;mircea_popescu;myeah. i'm sure floating randomly is not sailing.
1480539;1465589330;*;asciilifeform did not sail with him, cannot testify how much he cheats
1480540;1465589413;asciilifeform;my understanding is that various things have been roboticized on current boats - steering, possibly even sail trim/raise/lower.
1480541;1465589447;mircea_popescu;well it was already all winched in the 70s/80s
1480542;1465589475;asciilifeform;now driven by servos, driven by gps/glonas/etc
1480543;1465589499;asciilifeform;so possibly needs 98 fewer vikings..
1480544;1465589581;mircea_popescu;if you're gonna do that might as well engine neh ? but anyway!
1480545;1465589589;mircea_popescu;" mpapis commented Dec 22, 2014  @behrangsa its limitation of remembering compilation flags by ruby, when the binary rubies are compiled by me or on travis they require to be given paths to statically linked libraries (*.a objects) - this path is then remembered by ruby and added to every gem compilation, as you can see this is not an error as only warning is issued, if you feel this requires fixing open a bug for MRI asking
1480546;1465589589;mircea_popescu;..."
1480547;1465589605;mircea_popescu;these dudes are serious aren't they.
1480548;1465589629;asciilifeform;^ summary: mega-famous www library, 'ruby on rails', supposedly luser-friendly, etc. DOES NOT ACTUALLY BUILD on recent mac os
1480549;1465589634;asciilifeform;by all appearances.
1480550;1465589641;mircea_popescu;"only warning is issued".
1480551;1465589662;mircea_popescu;"behrangsa commented Dec 22, 2014  @mpapis, I didn't know that. If this is something common to gems with native extensions, etc. and how MRI works and it is harmless, then I have no complaints. "
1480552;1465589663;asciilifeform;bold lie.
1480553;1465589667;mircea_popescu;"mpapis commented Dec 22, 2014  it is standard and harmless thing, but ruby could allow filtering out this flags, this could be done as part of the filtration process that already happens in preprocessing in miniruby - but I do not think it would be considered as a ticket without pull request / patch to address this problem."
1480554;1465589684;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has read more of the crapola than anyone ought to be expected to for free.
1480555;1465589704;asciilifeform;i am wearing 3 gas masks.
1480556;1465589706;mircea_popescu;it's pretty entertaining.
1480557;1465589713;asciilifeform;in a sense.
1480558;1465589727;mircea_popescu;they've taken cubical drone wisdom to what's left of open source.
1480559;1465589728;mircea_popescu;which historically has existed specifically so as not to meet them.
1480560;1465589750;asciilifeform;i can't even wholly figure out what happened there.
1480561;1465589757;asciilifeform;despite trying all day.
1480562;1465589816;mircea_popescu;but anyway, very illustrative. derp's problem is not WHAT THE THING IS.
1480563;1465589832;mircea_popescu;his concern is circumscribed much more narrowly - what's the paperwork say ? "not an error!"
1480564;1465589854;mircea_popescu;bugmen thinking @ work.
1480565;1465589881;asciilifeform;eh all vermin say, 'that shit i just shat, it isn't shit, see, my arse emits only flowers and sunshine'
1480566;1465590146;asciilifeform;'@zenspider Mocking me? Honestly?!? And the "it works on my machine" response? I really appreciate the work people put into sharing their software with others, but you need to learn to treat people with respect who are trying to help improve your product. I need this for a new system I have inheirited. The first thing I am going to do is get rid of the dependency on your project.'
1480567;1465590161;mircea_popescu;heh
1480568;1465590229;asciilifeform;'I'm going to close and lock this conversation, because I don't see any meaningful progress on reproducing the issue in the last month or so, and because of the unproductive conversations and noise.
1480569;1465590233;asciilifeform;'
1480570;1465590244;asciilifeform;oct. 28, 2015.
1480571;1465590250;asciilifeform;thing STILL croaks.
1480572;1465590277;mircea_popescu;awww
1480573;1465590281;mircea_popescu;wtf are you dfoing with ruby anyway.
1480574;1465590327;asciilifeform;it was the other end of a cpp thing i was doing for money. tried to reconstruct its natural habitat, to test...
1480575;1465590366;mircea_popescu;lack of empathy srsly wtf is wrong with these people.
1480576;1465590394;mircea_popescu;it's like they've ~all imported a bunch of known-broken, proven-dysfunctional mental tools and by god will fucking use those! EMPATHY!
1480577;1465590404;asciilifeform;the more interesting question: this, recall, is mega-popular luser-friendly thing. running on #1 most beloved wwwtronicist's platform.
1480578;1465590414;asciilifeform;IT HASN'T WORKED SINCE ... at least oct '15 ?
1480579;1465590420;mircea_popescu;~nobody uses it.
1480580;1465590423;asciilifeform;what do all of the ben_vulpeses do ? pass a vm around?
1480581;1465590434;asciilifeform;they all set it up back when it built ? which ?
1480582;1465590518;asciilifeform;linked report is circa dec. 2014 !
1480583;1465590649;davout;lulzy
1480584;1465590677;davout;works on davout's machine!
1480585;1465590696;trinque;asciilifeform: docker; that's exactly what they do
1480586;1465590699;asciilifeform;davout: spiffy. perhaps you can rent it out to folks.
1480587;1465590715;asciilifeform;trinque: do what ?
1480588;1465590722;trinque;pass VM around
1480589;1465590764;asciilifeform;why not mail whole machine around.
1480590;1465590768;asciilifeform;same degree of idiocy.
1480591;1465590770;ben_vulpes;> reconstruct its natural habitat
1480592;1465590773;ben_vulpes;ho ho ho ho ho
1480593;1465590776;mircea_popescu;more empathy alf!
1480594;1465590784;asciilifeform;i predict that before long, folks will do this.
1480595;1465590790;asciilifeform;just main motherfucking server.
1480596;1465590792;asciilifeform;*mail
1480597;1465590795;asciilifeform;in a crate.
1480598;1465590801;asciilifeform;back and forth.
1480599;1465590805;mircea_popescu;you mean, back like in the 60s ?
1480600;1465590809;asciilifeform;aha.
1480601;1465590817;mircea_popescu;progress! community!
1480602;1465590819;asciilifeform;except they were more advanced, mailed only tape
1480603;1465590836;mircea_popescu;nah, you wanted to run x on y, gotta mail a y.
1480604;1465590854;asciilifeform;well, 'y' was likely to take a full rail car
1480605;1465590861;asciilifeform;so best not be poor.
1480606;1465590887;ben_vulpes;nokogiri
1480607;1465590891;ben_vulpes;always so much fun
1480608;1465590900;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: shipping vms around is already sop with these shitheads
1480609;1465590913;davout;ben_vulpes: osx doesn't really help either...
1480610;1465590916;ben_vulpes;docker adoption is largely driven by people who can't get it to work on their workstations
1480611;1465590933;mircea_popescu;^ ahaha .
1480612;1465590938;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: specifically that turd?!
1480613;1465590945;ben_vulpes;the whole railsvironment
1480614;1465590953;ben_vulpes;and burgeoningly the go environment as well
1480615;1465590964;ben_vulpes;because wtf managing source and packages is hard or what was it
1480616;1465590971;asciilifeform;lulzy
1480617;1465590985;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: have you tried to run down "best practices" wrt installing ruby and rails on a macintosh?
1480618;1465590985;mircea_popescu;in other dubious news, this country is fucking incomprehensible. so i made mayo out of the greatest fucking eggs. clearly corn fed, happy chickens. same shop, tomatoes... the mealiest most retardedly disgusting ship-grown tomatoes. wtf! it's like they only shave half their face.
1480619;1465590993;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: yes.
1480620;1465591001;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: it dies as described in the link.
1480621;1465591001;ben_vulpes;is it not gloriously retarded.
1480622;1465591028;ben_vulpes;what, all of the ruby install?
1480623;1465591033;ben_vulpes;i'm talking chruby rbenv and friends
1480624;1465591036;ben_vulpes;and the shims shitshow
1480625;1465591055;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'macports' installs ruby per se. it is the rails thing that melts down.
1480626;1465591079;davout;ben_vulpes: i never understood the appeal of these turds...
1480627;1465591113;ben_vulpes;davout plays rails without rbenv?
1480628;1465591139;davout;ben_vulpes: been working with rails since '07, never, ever used that shit
1480629;1465591182;ben_vulpes;probably because you figured out how it worked before those became the hot new 'right' way to do things
1480630;1465591188;ben_vulpes;"oh just" hose your box in a million interesting ways
1480631;1465591189;davout;either install ruby package or build ruby from source, at least that's how *i* do it
1480632;1465591207;ben_vulpes;and how do you shuffle between ruby projects with wildly different dependencies?
1480633;1465591262;davout;i usually beat those into submission so they work with the ruby i use
1480634;1465591291;davout;i probably have much less experience than you juggling between X turds from Y different clients
1480635;1465591298;davout;though
1480636;1465591313;ben_vulpes;it's pretty classic response from experienced ruby folks
1480637;1465591333;ben_vulpes;"oh well i usually just work on one thing for 9-18 months at a stretch, jump to a new job and then wipe the entire install after a week of tearing my hair out"
1480638;1465591375;ben_vulpes;meanwhile i need to boot rails app X running ruby version Y with subtly different deps from rails app Z running ruby version Q in about five minutes.
1480639;1465591386;asciilifeform;the more interesting question: how many of these folks understand that their 'job' would not EVEN EXIST if it weren't for this lunacy.
1480640;1465591391;davout;more like "oh, ruby 1.9 doesn't support this new 2.0 syntax, let's just sed it into sanity"
1480641;1465591405;ben_vulpes;"sanity" roflffufozlzozfl
1480642;1465591410;davout;ben_vulpes: i guess that sucks...
1480643;1465591417;ben_vulpes;yeah it's fucking miserable.
1480644;1465591437;ben_vulpes;the publically available toolchain is ~worthless.
1480645;1465591446;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: "as it always is, pleb!"
1480646;1465591471;ben_vulpes;and you raise the issue with railsfolk of standing and the response is almost always "yow. that sucks. have you tried docker?"
1480647;1465591484;davout;kek
1480648;1465591509;ben_vulpes;no, but do you know what i'm going to do? buy a fucking laptop engrave your company's name on it charge you for it install your shit on it and keep it.
1480649;1465591535;asciilifeform;here's to hoping that docker undergoes the same death as described earlier.
1480650;1465591550;asciilifeform;(why should ~it~ continue to build!)
1480651;1465591563;ben_vulpes;oh it routinely fails to be useful to old installs
1480652;1465591582;ben_vulpes;i went to upgrade a docker installation and they pulled this gorgeous trick where they actually deny access to repos based on docker client version
1480653;1465591594;ben_vulpes;bitch are you /serious/
1480654;1465591609;ben_vulpes;i wanted that old ubuntu for a motherfucking reason
1480655;1465591630;davout;"not best practice!!1"
1480656;1465591642;ben_vulpes;*tearing noises as /me excises more sillicon valley horseshit from client stacks, fixes all problems that had previously been papered over with docker, and deploys to fresh ubuntu 14.04*
1480657;1465591788;ben_vulpes;i actually had to walk django-compressor backwards through its released versions, something like 3 whole major releases just to get it to work with the django 1.3.5 that this site needed
1480658;1465591799;davout;in other news romania's soccer just got surprise butseks'd
1480659;1465591811;davout;*soccer team
1480660;1465591814;ben_vulpes;each single breaking change was the result of an entirely wankatronic 'upgrade' to the compressor lib to take more dependencies on more stupid django internals
1480661;1465591940;davout;i found a lot of peace and pleasure in learning, and coding a bit, in straight c
1480662;1465592065;davout;so. damn. straightforward.
1480663;1465592139;asciilifeform;aha, c existed before there 'had to be' employment for 50 million idiots.
1480664;1465592163;asciilifeform;it is a mistake to suppose that the cancers, e.g., rails soup, happen by accident.
1480665;1465592182;ben_vulpes;dude there is no head to the hydra
1480666;1465592198;asciilifeform;no need for a head.
1480667;1465592208;asciilifeform;entirely p2p thing.
1480668;1465592213;asciilifeform;let's work example,
1480669;1465592232;asciilifeform;mr schmuck, the django or whatever dev, introduces breakage, additional dependencies.
1480670;1465592238;asciilifeform;what is the reaction downstream ?
1480671;1465592264;asciilifeform;grumbling, installing 'updates' etc.
1480672;1465592276;asciilifeform;upstream? 'hoorah! our shit is Moar Relevant nao'
1480673;1465592313;ben_vulpes;how can the game dynamics produce any other result?
1480674;1465592400;asciilifeform;different reward matrix --> different result.
1480675;1465592410;asciilifeform;in this case, 'work creation' is rewarded.
1480676;1465592428;asciilifeform;as per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 .
1480677;1465592460;davout;i definitely agree that this applies to rails the phramework, but i am and will openly remain a rubyrast
1480678;1465592474;davout;the language
1480679;1465592500;*;davout reading
1480680;1465592757;asciilifeform;my realization is that this kind of thing is EXACTLY same as fiatolade
1480681;1465592765;asciilifeform;'jobs' come 'out of nowhere'
1480682;1465592778;davout;asciilifeform: i don't see much of a link between "dependency mess" and "lack of automation"
1480683;1465592804;davout;ah, missed the "in this case, 'work creation' is rewarded." line
1480684;1465592820;davout;now i see
1480685;1465592847;asciilifeform;davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way
1480686;1465592915;davout;but that's kind of the same thing as saying "work creation is rewarded" when more modern airplanes require more maintenance
1480687;1465592930;asciilifeform;exactly same
1480688;1465592993;ben_vulpes;rails webshites have 10x the complexity for 1.1x the 'features'
1480689;1465592994;davout;you could fix the cessna i fly with a toothpick and some wire, doesn't mean that the existence of the A380 is justified by the creation of labor for the cattle
1480690;1465593041;asciilifeform;well point of a380 is supposed to be moving folks across ocean cheaply
1480691;1465593051;davout;ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
1480692;1465593063;davout;asciilifeform: yeah that's the point
1480693;1465593076;davout;not "creating more labour to keep the cows busy"
1480694;1465593144;asciilifeform;davout: my observation was that there is ~0 incentive to make wwwtronic systems lighter/more consistent/more apprehendable/less broken.
1480695;1465593155;asciilifeform;and quite a bit of incentive in opposite direction.
1480696;1465593291;davout;your point is basically that the fireman could have a tendency to pyromania?
1480697;1465593311;asciilifeform;davout: not simply this, but that these particular firemen do very little ASIDE FROM setting fires.
1480698;1465593327;asciilifeform;have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot.
1480699;1465593358;asciilifeform;rather like al schwartz's roach repellent which merely moves them to the neighbouring flat.
1480700;1465593369;davout;well, i think that this is a result of people being stupid and lazy, not really much more
1480701;1465593387;asciilifeform;davout: stupid and lazy come from misaligned incentives.
1480702;1465593405;asciilifeform;when stupidity, laziness, lead to starvation - they evaporate rapidly.
1480703;1465593473;davout;i blame 16gb of ram being seen as a small-sized server as the main cause of lazyness
1480704;1465593571;asciilifeform;the lack of incentive thing is elementary
1480705;1465593588;asciilifeform;for instance, what would happen if ben_vulpes were to fix the crud on a permanent, published basis ? rather than case-by-case
1480706;1465593592;asciilifeform;his firm would fold.
1480707;1465593651;asciilifeform;(nor, i suspect, could he do this even if he wanted to - would have to also fix 1,001 turdware libs that the sufferers use, each of which will never be fixed because some 3-man shop somewhere also needs to eat... etc)
1480708;1465593990;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << gotta understand, the number of people alive qualified to do this safely is probably < 100.
1480709;1465593990;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:10 davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
1480710;1465594004;asciilifeform;similar to reactor operators.
1480711;1465594160;asciilifeform;how many 'i wanna web site!111' folks are ready to pay for a year of 'there are 100 of me' time.
1480712;1465594217;asciilifeform;this is elementarily a debasement situation
1480713;1465594234;asciilifeform;'we haven't enough bread, let's serve up 90%/10% sawdust/flour'
1480714;1465594261;davout;probably just as many people that are willing to pay $maxint to be able to shit in golden toilet
1480715;1465594270;asciilifeform;davout: fewer.
1480716;1465594278;asciilifeform;golden toilet is 'status object', can be displayed.
1480717;1465594298;davout;the point is that wtf do i need golden toilet for, i shit just as fine on a regular one!
1480718;1465594337;asciilifeform;aha, in software world they re-defined 'just fine' to include turdolade that won't even build, regular crashes, infections, whole shebang.
1480719;1465594363;asciilifeform;as per http://oglaf.com/delusionist
1480720;1465594393;davout;if what i want is sell dildos online, and $framework runs on 15$/month box, wtf do i need a website that could run on a ti-89 for x10000 the price?
1480721;1465594433;asciilifeform;for absolutely nothing, esp. if you can offload the cost of your turd being pwned weekly, needing 16GB of ram, crashing daily, etc. on OTHER PEOPLE
1480722;1465594445;asciilifeform;like factory owner offloads pollution into the river.
1480723;1465594477;asciilifeform;imagine if programmers actually had to answer for their pollutants.
1480724;1465594482;asciilifeform;like chemists do.
1480725;1465594524;asciilifeform;currently these folx are living in a golden age of 'i'll take a shit as big as i like and somebody ~else~ will clean up'
1480726;1465594528;davout;i can see your parallel with the fiat world through the mere existence of the "technical debt" expression
1480727;1465594536;asciilifeform;aha.
1480728;1465594549;asciilifeform;the magic here is that this debt, like the other debt, is NEVER paid.
1480729;1465594556;asciilifeform;only gathers interest.
1480730;1465594593;davout;i'm not sure i agree with the generalization
1480731;1465594614;asciilifeform;think about ben_vulpes's docker
1480732;1465594622;asciilifeform;and all of the idiocies papered over by the use thereof
1480733;1465594628;asciilifeform;these will pile up, up.
1480734;1465594744;asciilifeform;certainly nobody is shoveling the shit in any other direction but - higher.
1480735;1465594747;asciilifeform;and higher.
1480736;1465594766;asciilifeform;in exactly what way does this process differ from fiatocalypse ?
1480737;1465594824;davout;while i don't care much for docker specifically, i don't think it's a good approach to blame people's stupidity and lazyness on *tools*. sure it makes it easier to be retarded. and if your point is that it makes every sane's person job harder, why not, i can agree with that
1480738;1465594874;asciilifeform;tools are not dropped by martians, but are made in response to incentives.
1480739;1465594976;asciilifeform;http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2010/02/industrys-parting-gifts.html << classic orlol on subj
1480740;1465594996;davout;"have larger club, kill more enemies, rape moar of their daughters", pretty clear to me. "intentionnally shit in my own soup, so i can remain employed as a maker of fresh soup, as a general thing" is something i have a bit more trouble seeing though
1480741;1465595019;asciilifeform;'Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality.... When consumers refuse to pay so much more than they feel they have to, Company A's widget fails in the marketplace, and the company is liquidated.'
1480742;1465595021;*;davout reading
1480743;1465595061;asciilifeform;davout: it never looks like you're shitting in own soup, from the inside.
1480744;1465595067;asciilifeform;looks like 'bigger club'
1480745;1465595490;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-16#758235 << turns out, we had a thread!
1480746;1465595490;a111;Logged on 2014-07-16 19:04 mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov.
1480747;1465595707;davout;"while testing, kitting-out and packing would be performed by religious groups (in conservative states) and groups of people with alternative sexual orientations (in liberal ones)" <<< win
1480748;1465595846;davout;asciilifeform: interesting read indeed
1480749;1465595937;asciilifeform;'company D' does not exist. no sane investor knowingly funds a 'company A'; no sane engineer knowingly works for a 'company B'; nobody sane at all is interested in involving himself in a 'company C'/
1480750;1465595941;asciilifeform;.
1480751;1465595942;asciilifeform;which rounds out the list.
1480752;1465598699;Framedragger;framedr
1480753;1465598711;Framedragger;whoops ignore, window focus damn you
1480754;1465600026;trinque;$up Arathnim
1480755;1465600027;deedbot;Arathnim voiced for 30 minutes.
1480756;1465600049;trinque;Arathnim: hello, saw you in #lisp talking to gabriel_laddel
1480757;1465600149;Arathnim;trinque: Thanks.
1480758;1465603506;shinohai;https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/741050151985401856
1480759;1465603574;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480305 << Give it a few hours
1480760;1465603574;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 17:09 shinohai: paging BingoBoingo ... he has to write this one.
1480761;1465603633;shinohai;I have a draft of a Wendy's CC hack coverup going on.
1480762;1465603882;asciilifeform;;;later tell Arathnim https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics?&sort=-downloads&page=2
1480763;1465603882;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1480764;1465604141;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480354 << Microscopic cost per month if infrequently used
1480765;1465604141;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 17:45 asciilifeform: prepaid mobiles exist in usa, extortionate cost.
1480766;1465607544;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480764 << 0 cost if never used! just like yours and my dirigibles...
1480767;1465607544;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 00:15 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480354 << Microscopic cost per month if infrequently used
1480768;1465607742;mircea_popescu;this channel is insufficiently dead omfg.
1480769;1465607838;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480640 << so basically this is shannonizing programmer.
1480770;1465607838;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 20:43 davout: more like "oh, ruby 1.9 doesn't support this new 2.0 syntax, let's just sed it into sanity"
1480771;1465607900;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480652 << ahaha ok this is pretty lulzy.
1480772;1465607900;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 20:46 ben_vulpes: i went to upgrade a docker installation and they pulled this gorgeous trick where they actually deny access to repos based on docker client version
1480773;1465608137;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480680 << well done, catching up :)
1480774;1465608137;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:05 asciilifeform: my realization is that this kind of thing is EXACTLY same as fiatolade
1480775;1465608176;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/RdU
1480776;1465608176;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1480777;1465608195;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480685 << no, this is the problem. a bunch of idiots would have to earn bread different way ; and ben_vulpes would be allowed to do something less idiotic with his time. that's the problem whenever derps get the reins - they drive the ship ashore and someone's stuck fishing it back out.
1480778;1465608195;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:07 asciilifeform: davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way
1480779;1465608243;mircea_popescu;the problem with this being that it ambiguously mixes two categories. one from outside can't distinguish between the pigs that drove the ship into mud and the poor souls trying to push it back out. they're all ~ equally covered in the same shit.
1480780;1465608325;mircea_popescu;and this is systematically the problem of the fucking state. by inventing "god's marriage" it fucks up the natural social hierarchy ; where some get all and most get none. and by inventing "bureaucracy" idem. keep reducing "inequality" which is to say - those who deserve to starve and those who deserve to puke - all get the same three peas ; those who deserve to bathe and those who deserve to burn - all in the lukewarm pit.
1480781;1465608358;mircea_popescu;a "brilliant fucking idea" for everyone except everyone that matters. hence democracy.
1480782;1465608464;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << i never considered ruby/django/bullshit for trilema. neither did ANYONE who ever made a tmsr website, unless i'm missremembering. it's just not useful - if it were, i guess we'd be using it.
1480783;1465608465;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:10 davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
1480784;1465608552;*;asciilifeform was unable - in spite of considerable effort - to run 'hello world' example in 'rails'.
1480785;1465608562;mircea_popescu;heh.
1480786;1465608585;*;asciilifeform called upon a full-time master of subj, on retainer, who was unable to usefully comment.
1480787;1465608599;asciilifeform;thing is cursed by ze godz.
1480788;1465608607;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1480789;1465608721;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480696 << word.
1480790;1465608721;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:14 davout: your point is basically that the fireman could have a tendency to pyromania?
1480791;1465608743;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480698 << also word.
1480792;1465608743;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:15 asciilifeform: have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot.
1480793;1465608762;mircea_popescu;that's exactly how it fucking works. "fixed" by moving, but accentuated. "win-win".
1480794;1465608789;mircea_popescu;medicine works a lot like this, in principle but with smaller parameters. law works precisely the same way.
1480795;1465608873;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480717 << you're young yet.
1480796;1465608873;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:31 davout: the point is that wtf do i need golden toilet for, i shit just as fine on a regular one!
1480797;1465609121;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480720 << well, various webscum will derp about how "website doesn't look correct". will lose you all the business of $5 bucks, they fuck themselves manually.
1480798;1465609121;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:33 davout: if what i want is sell dildos online, and $framework runs on 15$/month box, wtf do i need a website that could run on a ti-89 for x10000 the price?
1480799;1465609306;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480758 << amusingly, iirc that shoe is actually mentioned in this very log, and ~nowhere else on the "entire" www.
1480800;1465609306;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 00:05 shinohai: https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/741050151985401856
1480801;1465609334;shinohai;I remembered it being mentioned somewhere but have yet to find the ref
1480802;1465609356;mircea_popescu;might have been in the older-than-btcbase logs.
1480803;1465611367;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480202 << ac isn't 'mission critical'. if it goes down for 15 minutes or even 5 hours, you might be a little sweaty and grumpy, but your hard drives aren't so flexible, especially if they get caught mid-write with their pants down (but ianae)
1480804;1465611368;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 16:37 mircea_popescu: yeah but you want the bridge to be wide enough. 1kw is not practically useful - inductive charge for an average ac unit for instance easily beats 5kw
1480805;1465611386;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480213 << i lolled
1480806;1465611386;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 16:40 ben_vulpes: davout: triggered
1480807;1465611426;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480214 << now ~that's~ the business. will defo be looking into these at next place (2017 sometime)
1480808;1465611426;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 16:40 mircea_popescu: http://www.steadypower.com/products.php?product=Gillette-SPS%252d120-Home-Standby-Generator-%2812kW%29 << ftr, very reasonable 12kw units available. 4k what's that, half a weekend trip.
1480809;1465611467;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480284 << hulked. (or was it thieled?)
1480810;1465611467;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 17:05 shinohai: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/10/gawker-media-files-for-ch-11-bankruptcy-protection.html   <<< bwhahaha Gawker filers for Bankruptcy
1480811;1465611488;pete_dushenski;aha ben had it
1480812;1465611595;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480374 << seems like a lot of busywork to circumvent own rule, which i suppose only goes to show that http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480384 is the controlling point. head would never do this to self, ergo no head.
1480813;1465611595;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 18:02 mircea_popescu: it's dogvomit, not a vole. it has no head.
1480814;1465611595;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 17:58 asciilifeform: be transmitted over a U.S. border, then legally the NSA/CIA/SCS will claim that it then falls into an international transmission and that they are justified in performing an intercept, even though it is a domestic call, but because it was shot out of the United States over an international loopback. Another wrinkle is because this loopback to the UK, the British government will also intercept it at the loopba
1480815;1465611638;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: 1 set of rules for public/low-cleared grunts, another - for eloi. elementary.
1480816;1465611660;pete_dushenski;this is meta-nsa argument
1480817;1465611694;asciilifeform;meta-nsa ~exists~. even has own www site... see l0gz.
1480818;1465611701;pete_dushenski;ie. 'rsa pill really exists, just you wait until they drop bomb'
1480819;1465611727;pete_dushenski;$google trilema meta-nsa
1480820;1465611732;deedbot;https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/nsa-americans-metadata-year-documents << NSA stores metadata of millions of web users for up to a year, secret ... | http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2016-statement/ << No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2016 Statement on Trilema - A blog by ... | http://www.wired.com/2013/06/phew-it-was-just-metadata-not-think-again/ << Phew, NSA Is Just Collecting Metadata. (You Should Still Worry ...
1480821;1465611740;asciilifeform;pissing on law is a pretty elementary superpower.
1480822;1465611750;pete_dushenski;well that search was useless
1480823;1465611809;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: but then why use superpower so inefficiently ? it's like 'i have x-ray vision, but only when i look at this angled mirror at you'
1480824;1465611826;pete_dushenski;why not just look directly at specimen ?
1480825;1465611853;mod6;pete_dushenski: Gordie Howe died :/
1480826;1465611857;asciilifeform;because you want to maintain the pretense of 'rule of law' ?
1480827;1465611867;pete_dushenski;mod6: eh no way
1480828;1465611878;asciilifeform;mod6: who was that
1480829;1465611883;mod6;Yeah, he was 88.
1480830;1465611895;mod6;asciilifeform: legendary Canadian hockey player.
1480831;1465611916;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: but that begs the question : why is this loop-di-loop necessary to maintain the pretense ?
1480832;1465611929;pete_dushenski;and does it even maintain the pretense ?
1480833;1465611945;pete_dushenski;hartford walers star iirc
1480834;1465611952;pete_dushenski;back when that team was even a thing
1480835;1465611953;mod6;Red Wings
1480836;1465611979;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: considering that the whole ministry hasn't been closed down and personnel - jailed as members of a criminal org - i'd say the pretense is maintained.
1480837;1465611986;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski suppose you wanna fuck during those 5 hours!
1480838;1465612001;mod6;He did spend 1 year with the Whalers
1480839;1465612032;pete_dushenski;mod6: last year too. i think i mighta had that card, which is why it rang that memory's bell
1480840;1465612042;mircea_popescu;lol
1480841;1465612050;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: or go for a 10km walk for ice cream!
1480842;1465612068;mircea_popescu;kr
1480843;1465612091;mircea_popescu;or* call girl's bestie "hey you got power ? ok if we come over to fuck at your place ?"
1480844;1465612091;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: not exactly...
1480845;1465612123;pete_dushenski;inmates in asylum also maintain pretense of sanity ?
1480846;1465612145;pete_dushenski;because everyone else on the outside is pointing and laughing
1480847;1465612206;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: if i was at that life stage (yes, it's coming!) then i will have one garage for five cars and another of ~equal size~ for back-up power
1480848;1465612218;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: asylum with infinite funding and heavy weapons.
1480849;1465612251;pete_dushenski;weapons too heavy to lift and paper of such poor quality even the knock-off artists on the other side of the pacific don't want it
1480850;1465612263;pete_dushenski;nice story, but just a story
1480851;1465612304;asciilifeform;and them packetz diddle themselves aha lol.
1480852;1465612436;pete_dushenski;maybe i'm thick but how is packet diddling 'heavy weapons' ?
1480853;1465612481;pete_dushenski;unless i'm mistaken, this is within alf's modest ability, and he is not statal superpower
1480854;1465612495;asciilifeform;at every fiber landfall?
1480855;1465612540;pete_dushenski;any, not every
1480856;1465612566;asciilifeform;or any
1480857;1465612599;asciilifeform;i can't speak for pete_dushenski , but i don't have a diddler staff hut at even one...
1480858;1465612652;mircea_popescu;soon enough, once we complete the uti.
1480859;1465612670;mircea_popescu;am i the only one that's very amused by this joke ? guess so huh.
1480860;1465612880;mod6;lol
1480861;1465612933;mod6;thats 2x, gotta be careful or it'll stick :D
1480862;1465612976;mircea_popescu;lol
1480863;1465613632;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you also don't have to dispense shitty cheese to a bunch of deeply retarded, profoundly useless, schmucks with pretensions.
1480864;1465613674;mircea_popescu;you're acting as if they're doing that, or any other thing, for fucking fun. it's not for fun. they're doing that, like everything else, for the same reason : they perceive they gotta do something ; dunno how to do anything useful or effectual and so this is what's left.
1480865;1465613700;mircea_popescu;the optionality of the state is just about zero.
1480866;1465613752;mircea_popescu;throughout. no exceptions. no meta-bullshit. from petraeus to the last grunt, zero, nada. nothing.
1480867;1465614485;*;pete_dushenski has seen this utter dearth of optionality with own eyes, from inside. 'no fun' doesn't begin to describe it.
1480868;1465614600;pete_dushenski;the mere suggestion that the state can ~do~ things that private individuals can is misleading and farcical.
1480869;1465614642;pete_dushenski;'golden toilet' is only a thing because state can't even make basic toilet. it doesn't ~want~ toilet made of precious metals, it just can't find its way to a more efficient solution.
1480870;1465614702;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480782 << what is a "website"
1480871;1465614702;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 01:27 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << i never considered ruby/django/bullshit for trilema. neither did ANYONE who ever made a tmsr website, unless i'm missremembering. it's just not useful - if it were, i guess we'd be using it.
1480872;1465614779;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << /me squints and points at the funny frenchman
1480873;1465614780;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:10 davout: ben_vulpes: as much as rails is in many ways retarded i tend to think that if this were true, folks would write websites in straight c
1480874;1465614888;ben_vulpes;i'm a peripherial acquaintance with another cult that occasionally writes, say, templating languages in c. for use from c.
1480875;1465615070;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480694 << another take on this: the only constraint on complexity is design and discipline.
1480876;1465615070;a111;Logged on 2016-06-10 21:12 asciilifeform: davout: my observation was that there is ~0 incentive to make wwwtronic systems lighter/more consistent/more apprehendable/less broken.
1480877;1465615080;ben_vulpes;complexity in software, that is
1480878;1465615083;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: noshit.jpg
1480879;1465615091;ben_vulpes;man the 'not quite emacs' keybindings in weechat are killing me
1480880;1465615097;asciilifeform;my observation was that there is STRONG anti-incentive.
1480881;1465615128;ben_vulpes;yeah but more like diesel engine and less like mortgage origination
1480882;1465615163;ben_vulpes;americans think /healthcare/ is going to bury them in costs. they have no idea what the maintenance cost of the past 2 decades is going to be. what a burden poorly written software is on a business.
1480883;1465615205;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ~nobody sees it as 'maintenance costs', but as 'job program.'
1480884;1465615228;ben_vulpes;the windows shop approach is not at all bad from a resourcing perspective. 'software is complicated and sucks and we need a budget for maintaining ours. may as well just pick technologies we can staff for 60k/yr/butt and allocate integer butts.'
1480885;1465615245;asciilifeform;great until MOTHERFUCKER WON'T BUILD NO MATTER WHAT
1480886;1465615253;asciilifeform;because some dickless wonder 'patched'
1480887;1465615270;ben_vulpes;oh i am waiting for the great implosion of unwrangleable complexity
1480888;1465615282;asciilifeform;meanwhile,
1480889;1465615283;asciilifeform;'All existing phones in the holding cells were replaced mid year. The previous telephones were equipped with a hand-set which created a number of issues. Our primary objective was to allow prisoners telephone access while minimizing risk to staff and prisoners. On many occasions prisoners would forcibly remove the cord and handset from the telephone housing.  The newly installed telephones have no cord or handset which, in turn, mini
1480890;1465615283;asciilifeform;mizes security, injury risk and maintenance costs.'
1480891;1465615284;ben_vulpes;if it leaves me eating dust and my children picking pockets i will go to the street gladly having seen it
1480892;1465615487;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes like wotpaste.
1480893;1465615557;ben_vulpes;no actually.
1480894;1465615570;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes also, the problem with healthcare isn't the cost per se. it's that it distinguishes between people. they have a serious problem with any sort of "reality comes home" situation where difference between people may be forced from outside.
1480895;1465615605;mircea_popescu;cost is just a proxy for this. they don't perceive the same capacity from "it", mostly because htey're imbeciles and will perceive my cock when it's sliding in and no sooner. which is why they talk of that not this.
1480896;1465615633;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elaborate ?
1480897;1465615639;mircea_popescu;on which part ?
1480898;1465615640;asciilifeform;which difference between people
1480899;1465615654;ben_vulpes;that some can afford to live and some mustest die
1480900;1465615666;mircea_popescu;we both fuck the same sick girl. i don't care and you die of a brain abscess.
1480901;1465615683;asciilifeform;so? routine.
1480902;1465615695;asciilifeform;sorta how death worx
1480903;1465615704;mircea_popescu;this is like some people buying cars that take them places and some other people buying cars that take them to the morgue
1480904;1465615714;asciilifeform;aha. and this also is sop
1480905;1465615715;mircea_popescu;"the people" are up in arms about this. not permissibru.
1480906;1465615754;asciilifeform;recall, the car and nothing else caps the mtbf of usaschwitz inmate at something like 200 yrs
1480907;1465615773;ben_vulpes;point i was seeking to make is that as much as usians like to bitch about cost of health insurance and what it doesn't cover, they have no idea what pain is lurking in the near future
1480908;1465615791;mircea_popescu;what future.
1480909;1465615792;ben_vulpes;who knows how many knight capitals are waiting.
1480910;1465615795;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 'Colt Health and Life Insurance Co.'
1480911;1465615801;*;asciilifeform subscriber
1480912;1465615813;*;ben_vulpes not discussing asciilifeforms
1480913;1465615825;asciilifeform;afaik it takes everyone.
1480914;1465615837;asciilifeform;(unless you are an elephant, and may need larger calibre)
1480915;1465615847;ben_vulpes;now i need a sophistry gas mask
1480916;1465615862;mircea_popescu;alf's favourite approach is to discuss something vaguely related :D
1480917;1465615872;mircea_popescu;but in a lot of detail! makes up for distance through depth!
1480918;1465615938;ben_vulpes;anyways there's a whole infection to deploy between today and a world of impoverished fiatcorps.
1480919;1465615953;ben_vulpes;path there will be bumpy for folks. in the above and other ways.
1480920;1465615978;mircea_popescu;if history's any guide, fiatcorps could forever buy russia. at any rate the byzantines could buy asia. according to them at any rate.
1480921;1465616268;asciilifeform;meanwhile, in the great uszimbabwe,
1480922;1465616269;asciilifeform;'A local apartment com-munity had become a problem with unsecured vacant units, garbage, graffiti, attractive nuisances, and blight. The owner also routinely rented condemned units that had no power (cord was run from other units). Neighboring owners complained of rodents coming from the unattended landscaping and units.  Squatters were found in units by the police department. Owner was cited...'
1480923;1465616468;mircea_popescu;"attractive nuisances" ? ie, non-boring party ?
1480924;1465616482;asciilifeform;aha.
1480925;1465616488;mircea_popescu;derps.
1480926;1465616549;mircea_popescu;apparently, it's "anything that may attract a child", and outright a defense in tresspass!
1480927;1465616558;mircea_popescu;that country is fucking nuts.
1480928;1465616568;asciilifeform;recall the famous band-saw case.
1480929;1465616591;mircea_popescu;"unenclosed pools, machinery or stacks of building materials" that present "an irresistible lure" omfg what the everloving fuck.
1480930;1465616604;mircea_popescu;if your kid goes on my property YOU PAY ME! not the fucking other way around omfg!
1480931;1465616700;mircea_popescu;and this is all post 1990, too. fucking place went to shit with moscow in tandem.
1480932;1465616719;mircea_popescu;scandalous.
1480933;1465616830;asciilifeform;hey, they even had, e.g., http://overlawyered.com/2006/09/the-burglar-and-the-skylight-another-debunking-that-isnt
1480934;1465616837;asciilifeform;^ the infamous skylight case
1480935;1465617490;mircea_popescu;http://wyomcases.courts.state.wy.us/applications/oscn/DeliverDocument.asp?CiteID=123304 << state agencies, of course, are immune by law.
1480936;1465617527;asciilifeform;not only,
1480937;1465617555;asciilifeform;but in - afaik - all of usa, folks who 'cause' the death of policeman by, say, running away and then he crashed his cruiser, are tried for murder.
1480938;1465617590;mircea_popescu;policeman is a shitstain best shot on sight.
1480939;1465617621;mircea_popescu;this magical item that can charge your credit card to the max, has no duty to protect you (you have a duty to protect him). no fucking wonder every prole aspires to police himself.
1480940;1465617631;ben_vulpes;amen
1480941;1465617683;ben_vulpes;"might be interesting to look at" as a legal problem cracked me up when i first learned of it
1480942;1465617717;ben_vulpes;what halfway curious kid hasn't climed all over an excavator
1480943;1465617827;mircea_popescu;i famously ~stole~ a 200hp excavator as a 6 yo.
1480944;1465617846;mircea_popescu;people collectively lost it and deposed me within 3 minutes, but hey!
1480945;1465617853;mircea_popescu;nobody expected 6yo could figure out how to run the thing.
1480946;1465617992;ben_vulpes;figure out? were controls marvelously different from controls of other motorized things?
1480947;1465618020;ben_vulpes;or 'excavator' -- with treads and arm and bucket?
1480948;1465618304;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480803 << AC is mission critical for the health of your hard drives
1480949;1465618304;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 02:16 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480202 << ac isn't 'mission critical'. if it goes down for 15 minutes or even 5 hours, you might be a little sweaty and grumpy, but your hard drives aren't so flexible, especially if they get caught mid-write with their pants down (but ianae)
1480950;1465618342;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dunno about yours, mine are ok to 75c or so
1480951;1465618376;asciilifeform;(fuck spinning rust)
1480952;1465618395;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480807 << If your generator doesn't have wheels will likely need Electrician to wire/pull permits. Such things can actually be had from big box stores like the Orange Depot
1480953;1465618395;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 02:17 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480214 << now ~that's~ the business. will defo be looking into these at next place (2017 sometime)
1480954;1465618428;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: why do you dislike the plates so much?
1480955;1465618435;asciilifeform;noisy and slow.
1480956;1465618439;asciilifeform;do i need moar reasons ?
1480957;1465618462;asciilifeform;noisy == 'i can hear it'
1480958;1465618462;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: np. i have several on speed dial.
1480959;1465618470;ben_vulpes;sure, but ssd sits, rots.
1480960;1465618479;asciilifeform;everything rots.
1480961;1465618480;asciilifeform;hence raid.
1480962;1465618482;ben_vulpes;where hdd...rots slower?
1480963;1465618485;asciilifeform;and cold spares.
1480964;1465618506;asciilifeform;i tread spinning rust as i once treated tape
1480965;1465618510;asciilifeform;backup, to keep in safe.
1480966;1465618512;ben_vulpes;storage is a consumable and you...mk.
1480967;1465618528;asciilifeform;*treat
1480968;1465618609;asciilifeform;and fuck seek times measured in ms vs ns.
1480969;1465618621;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480847 << Garage for your FeNi battery bank right? Generator lives outside or in purpose built enclosure (also outside)
1480970;1465618621;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 02:30 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: if i was at that life stage (yes, it's coming!) then i will have one garage for five cars and another of ~equal size~ for back-up power
1480971;1465618777;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> apparently, it's "anything that may attract a child", and outright a defense in tresspass! << Swimming pool is canonical "attractive nuissance"
1480972;1465618807;asciilifeform;apparently, there is nothing more attractive than ~empty~ swimming pool, if you ask american jurists.
1480973;1465618821;asciilifeform;(because, i suppose, they were also retarded children??)
1480974;1465618971;BingoBoingo;yes
1480975;1465619813;deedbot;[Qntra] T Ascendant! - http://qntra.net/2016/06/t-ascendant/
1480976;1465619914;BingoBoingo;mod6: congrat!
1480977;1465619980;BingoBoingo;;;later tell jurov Sorry for the ambiguity. I mean you could help mod6 with the disposition of his shares.
1480978;1465619981;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1480979;1465620274;mod6;ah cool! Thanks BingoBoingo
1480980;1465620313;BingoBoingo;mod6: In the future <p> tags are superfluous and what is this thing where you insert superfluous line breaks?
1480981;1465620348;BingoBoingo;But seriously great submission
1480982;1465620418;mod6;oh, alright. i was just looking at some others that had paragraph tags in there. wasn't sure.
1480983;1465620436;mod6;thx though. tried to just keep it short/sweet.
1480984;1465620502;BingoBoingo;mod6: Machine ads <p>
1480985;1465620529;BingoBoingo;But machine does not mechanically un-80 column text
1480986;1465620536;deedbot;[Qntra] uTorrent Forum Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/utorrent-forum-hacked/
1480987;1465620571;mod6;oh, i typically wrap at 80 by hand.
1480988;1465620601;mod6;also, i think it may read a bit better if "proposed" becomes "proposals"
1480989;1465620608;mod6;sorry, i must have overlooked that
1480990;1465620615;BingoBoingo;happens
1480991;1465620670;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1480992;1465620688;mod6;im sortof overly paraniod about 80 col wraps.  if i set a command in vim to do it for me, i feel like its not always consistant.
1480993;1465620701;mod6;*shrug*
1480994;1465620705;mod6;yup thanks for updating
1480995;1465620801;BingoBoingo;But yes, 80 col wrap is out of spec for qntra's actually adaptive layout.
1480996;1465620840;mod6;ok so for future ref just set no wrap and it should be fine then?
1480997;1465620856;BingoBoingo;yeah
1480998;1465620859;mod6;werd
1480999;1465621347;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The golden toilet that had to be. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/10/the-golden-toilet-that-had-to-be/
1481000;1465624231;deedbot;[Qntra] Gawker Media Files Bankruptcy Papers And Goes On Auction Block - http://qntra.net/2016/06/gawker-media-files-bankruptcy-papers-and-goes-on-auction-block/
1481001;1465627470;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market a;;
1481002;1465627471;gribble;Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
1481003;1465627475;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1481004;1465627484;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 582.52, vol: 3892.67282640 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.498, vol: 3811.89564 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 584.6, vol: 20963.73387544 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 589.45272, vol: 31434.93000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 1325.19747169 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 583.13046, vol: 22.79804329 | Volume-weighted last average: 585.938303435
1481005;1465627484;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1481006;1465627488;gribble;Current Blocks: 415774 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1537 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 39 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1481007;1465651698;shinohai;https://community.letsencrypt.org/t/email-address-disclosures-preliminary-report-june-11-2016/16867   <<< Let's encrypt, learn basic sekoority protocol later.
1481008;1465653355;mircea_popescu;lolwut!
1481009;1465653382;mircea_popescu;mod6 so here's a q : suppose a ticket gets allocated to a name. how does tbot know this ? suppose the name completes the ticket. how's tbot know ?
1481010;1465653388;mircea_popescu;seems we need two more items right ?
1481011;1465653557;mircea_popescu;shinohai let me guess, phantomcircuit works for them ?
1481012;1465653784;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480951 << o, you hate proper hdds now ? when did that conversion happen ?
1481013;1465653784;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 04:12 asciilifeform: (fuck spinning rust)
1481014;1465653848;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480969 << he can just vent it, like anything else.
1481015;1465653848;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 04:17 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480847 << Garage for your FeNi battery bank right? Generator lives outside or in purpose built enclosure (also outside)
1481016;1465653968;mod6;mircea_popescu: so during development, i decided not to allow assignment for tickets; i wanted to encourage all to look at tickets and possibly propose solutions or changes to even patches submitted (denoted in the notes section??)
1481017;1465653984;mod6;irl, it seems like if a guy isn't assigned a ticket, he rarely looks at it.
1481018;1465653998;mod6;err, meaning, if it is assigned to a person already.
1481019;1465654043;mircea_popescu;ok but how do you track progress ? "this is done" "oh yeah ? when ? by whom ?"
1481020;1465654045;mod6;and the idea of "done" can be a different field.
1481021;1465654081;mircea_popescu;well, other than that assignment can be informal.
1481022;1465654082;shinohai;gg on Qntra mod6
1481023;1465654082;mod6;but i was thinking that it would either be removed from the tree, OR, would simply just have something edited in the subject. like "DONE: Blah Blah ticket for something"
1481024;1465654096;mircea_popescu;removed from tree is no good because we lose information this way.
1481025;1465654100;mod6;the latter for traceability
1481026;1465654117;mod6;yeah, i like the idea of just editing the ticket to "DONE"
1481027;1465654121;mircea_popescu;also important, suppose i want to split up a ticket later. what should i do, delete and re-enter ?
1481028;1465654132;mircea_popescu;mod6 should be done BY X. so i know who to chase.
1481029;1465654149;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1481012 << when the nice kind fell in price enough and i got a crate ?
1481030;1465654149;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 14:03 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480951 << o, you hate proper hdds now ? when did that conversion happen ?
1481031;1465654171;mircea_popescu;heh mkay.
1481032;1465654175;mircea_popescu;fuck ssds.
1481033;1465654198;asciilifeform;i have 4 x 1t in this particular box, for instance (hardware raid)
1481034;1465654222;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu likes massive stacks of cheapo mechanicals ?
1481035;1465654261;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> also important, suppose i want to split up a ticket later. what should i do, delete and re-enter ? << so saythat UCI ticket 7 needs to become two seperate tickets and the original didn't capture what it was supposed to capture; i would just make a new ticket, and then edit the existing one to reform what would be or seem correct.
1481036;1465654287;mircea_popescu;oh i can edit them can't i. yeah ok that should work.
1481037;1465654312;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> mod6 should be done BY X. so i know who to chase. << I think if someone wants to put their name on a ticket, ... ok, and they can put a completion date in there.
1481038;1465654322;mod6;we all know how that usually goes.
1481039;1465654348;mircea_popescu;how ?
1481040;1465654377;mod6;in scrum people estimate tickets not based on time, but how "large" they think a story is or might be.  and they use fib numbers for this -- typically: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 20
1481041;1465654413;mod6;and anything over a 20 should be certainly broken down into smaller chunks if possible.
1481042;1465654434;mod6;oh, how? people often miss deadlines, especially developers.  im just as guilty as anyone.
1481043;1465654464;mircea_popescu;ah, but i wasn't talking about deadlines.
1481044;1465654480;mircea_popescu;i'm only importing the sane parts of management.
1481045;1465654511;mod6;:]
1481046;1465654512;*;asciilifeform takes off hat 
1481047;1465654544;mod6;ok sounds good. thought maybe you were thinking about adding a date field.  and btw, any of these things can really be added without too much trouble at all if we really find a dire need for them in the future.
1481048;1465654565;mod6;these separate fields can help with sorting and reporting and all that... especially.
1481049;1465654570;mircea_popescu;the point is, if something should be found not to work properly, gotta know who to chase to fix it and more importantly, who to scrutinize in the future. which system allows us to not even bother with quality control - check your shit, and god help you if downstream keeps having to complain.
1481050;1465654571;mod6;but we're not there yet anyway.
1481051;1465654589;mod6;ah
1481052;1465654612;mircea_popescu;of course alf doesn't count as downstream, he complains anyway.
1481053;1465654654;mod6;ok. so what I was thinking, at least for the quick/dirty method was that lord of a project would update tickets with peoples' submitted vpatches linked either from the ML or if/when accepted.  doesn't only relate to TRB obv.
1481054;1465654676;mircea_popescu;there is one problem where any ticket's notes must be shorter than cannonical irc line - trims.
1481055;1465654678;mircea_popescu;i ran into it yest.
1481056;1465654689;mod6;(like in the notes section and that would give some traceability to who is doing what and who can get blame)
1481057;1465654698;mod6;oh really?
1481058;1465654713;mircea_popescu;lemme fish it out
1481059;1465654741;mod6;hrm.  i'll have to see what I can do about that -- not sure if i can make it longer than a canonical irc line, but it should be at least that long
1481060;1465654751;mod6;shinohai: thanks!
1481061;1465654763;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479664 and following
1481062;1465654763;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:02 mircea_popescu: %add UCI F "Create UCI supervisor" "Interacts with UCI worker through interface ; interacts with peers through #trilema standard bot. Maintains list of prices for exposed abilities (in satoshi/Gb/second of storage for instance) and Bitcoin address for payments ; list of trusted peers for accepting orders and verifying Bitcoin payments ; administrative policies as appropriate. Directs worker to execute accept
1481063;1465654796;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point being, there's a short space in the notes for ticket ; can't add too much in there, so it prolly can't be "update tickets with vpatches"
1481064;1465654803;mircea_popescu;oops. i mean mod6
1481065;1465654851;mod6;ah. ok..
1481066;1465654870;mod6;yeah looks like it didn't get added
1481067;1465654882;mod6;and that may be because it didn't see the closing "
1481068;1465654903;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1481069;1465654905;mod6;and that is a fair point
1481070;1465654907;mircea_popescu;and it can't see it if linebroken
1481071;1465654925;mod6;ok, yeah, on the cli version you kind of have tons of space because IRC line isn't a thing.
1481072;1465654929;mircea_popescu;now obviously, we could change it to take dpaste input ? the only snag is, i dunno we want LONG tickets anyway.
1481073;1465654937;mircea_popescu;if it has to be that long why not break it up.
1481074;1465654938;mod6;Right.
1481075;1465654949;mod6;Ok, very solid points here.
1481076;1465654956;mircea_popescu;so this point can be left for later i guess.
1481077;1465654982;mod6;hey, sorry to interrupt this. but one of my buddies is buying a house downthe road, and i gotta to view it here in like 2 minutes.  but i'll be back all day after that.
1481078;1465654997;mircea_popescu;no rush
1481079;1465655004;mod6;ok. i'll think on this, there's something we can do, im sure.
1481080;1465655017;mod6;thanks for checking it out and letting me know.
1481081;1465655023;mod6;:]
1481082;1465655046;asciilifeform;this gadget sounds very promising imho.
1481083;1465655111;mircea_popescu;ye!
1481084;1465655668;mircea_popescu;" Assests are officially estimated to be in the 5o million to 100 million United States dollar range while liabilities are estimated to be in the 100 to 500 million United States dollar range" <<< ahahahaha. right, so they got ~3mn worth of crap and 600mn worth of cc debt.
1481085;1465655673;mircea_popescu;0.5% efficiency engine.
1481086;1465655679;mircea_popescu;could totally buy russia.
1481087;1465655703;mircea_popescu;what i want to know is, who's going to take out ~600mn worth of shit these idiots stuck in the head of ignorant imbecile sub-canadians for the past decade ?
1481088;1465655743;mircea_popescu;they know how to bitch about "nuclear reactors" so that the costs to decomission one far, far exceed the cost to build one. well, what about "feminism", human rights and democracy ? MUCH much more toxic than radionuclides.
1481089;1465655762;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is going to pay the 20 to 50 bn needed to decomission this radioactive waste plant that cost 600mn to build ?
1481090;1465656262;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1481089 << same martians who will fix ruby
1481091;1465656262;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 14:36 mircea_popescu: who the fuck is going to pay the 20 to 50 bn needed to decomission this radioactive waste plant that cost 600mn to build ?
1481092;1465656272;asciilifeform;hunchback - straightens in the grave.
1481093;1465657945;shinohai;Well guise 21dotco is already the future - 20 satoshi to read temperature: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4njys7/21_an_open_source_library_for_the_machinepayable/d44kqsy
1481094;1465657960;shinohai;Or about the amount you'd make mining with one for 3 days
1481095;1465659211;mircea_popescu;heh those derps srsly.
1481096;1465659219;mircea_popescu;then they're going to file for bankruptcy and a well.
1481097;1465659227;mircea_popescu;thanks god for pension funds.
1481098;1465659343;shinohai;I got Pierre Rochard triggered on twitter as we speak because I dared to call it a scam more or less.
1481099;1465659831;mircea_popescu;what's he care
1481100;1465659938;deedbot;[Trilema] Gawker Media Group (GMG) vs Arbeitsgemeinschaft Versuchsreaktor (AVR) - http://trilema.com/2016/gawker-media-group-gmg-vs-arbeitsgemeinschaft-versuchsreaktor-avr/
1481101;1465665345;mircea_popescu;^ which article incidentally suggests to me a whole large scale recuperation project, much in the way "nigger" used to mean black person but now simply means government leech.
1481102;1465665377;mircea_popescu;specifically "ecology" has historically been a tool of socialists deployed to hinder capitalism, on the flimsy basis of "look how economic activity renders the substrate unfit for later, undefined economic activity".
1481103;1465665433;mircea_popescu;exactly in the same vein, ecology should cease to mean "the activity of capitalists ruining the earth", and instead properly mean the activity of socialists ruining humanity.
1481104;1465665454;mircea_popescu;this process whereby they spread their poison, getting idiots to believe the sort of stupid shit they sprout is the true ecological damage.
1481105;1465665522;mircea_popescu;i'd much rather take a new york or san francisco that had a nuke blown overhead ; than the exact same new york or san francisco that had socialist propaganda blown overhead. the former's much easier to clean up than the latter.
1481106;1465665902;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1142166369676864495293047 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Dominik Rapp <dominikrapp@zoho.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A76BF4503AE2C55107D537EDABB05BDFB3DB93A3CAF697C1C5073FDD9EEF8F4E
1481107;1465668025;asciilifeform;^ eh, mirrorlade
1481108;1465668103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/gawker-media-group-gmg-vs-arbeitsgemeinschaft-versuchsreaktor-avr/#comment-117494
1481109;1465670492;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 'It has been well established that OOM error occurs from bastards not being freed from memory.' << not accurate. bastard tx don't enter the mempool in trb. it is mempool tx that never deallocate...
1481110;1465670493;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481111;1465671498;thestringpuller;;;calc gribble 10 * 6 * 24
1481112;1465671498;gribble;Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
1481113;1465675979;mod6;ah, ok
1481114;1465676131;mod6;%e trb 3 I "Further investigate a solution for mem leak/fragmentation" "An OOM error occurs from mempool tx's that are never deallocated. A well defined and researched plan need to emerge from this investigation."
1481115;1465676139;mod6;%p trb 3
1481116;1465676140;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 3, Type: I, Subject: Further investigate a solution for mem leak/fragmentation, Antecedents: , Notes: An OOM error occurs from mempool tx's that are never deallocated. A well defined and researched plan need to emerge from this investigation.
1481117;1465676155;mod6;Does that seem more accurate asciilifeform ?
1481118;1465680025;asciilifeform;mod6: aha
1481119;1465680041;asciilifeform;oughta somehow incorporate mine and jurov's mega-experiments in the record
1481120;1465680064;asciilifeform;(i am presently not sure how 't' is meant to interact with existing record)
1481121;1465680798;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo i randomly encountered http://www.donrearic.com/lotechhitech.html and thought of you
1481122;1465680798;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481123;1465681167;mod6;asciilifeform: yeah, agreed.  have been thinking about how to incorporate all of the findings thus far.
1481124;1465681193;mod6;all you can do at this point is just drop a link into the notes section, but it needs to scale more than that.  thinking about it...
1481125;1465681316;mod6;when i come up with a scheme i'll mention it in here.
1481126;1465681449;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: lol linked http://alliancemartialarts.com/spyderco.html
1481127;1465681703;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mountain of entertaining 1990s stuff of varying quality, on linked site.
1481128;1465681711;asciilifeform;e.g., http://www.donrearic.com/urbsurvprimer1.html
1481129;1465685722;mircea_popescu;in other news i've decided that if i ever get a cat i'ma name it ophelia
1481130;1465685737;mircea_popescu;that way if anyone asks me what the cat's name is i'ma say "it's cat ophelia."
1481131;1465686103;asciilifeform;l0l
1481132;1465686162;*;asciilifeform went to flea markets, came back with dental drill
1481133;1465686401;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know what happened to the guy who forgot to pay his exorcist bill ?
1481134;1465687019;hanbot;asciilifeform but how do you get the fleas to keep their mouths open?
1481135;1465687253;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu, he got re-possesed?
1481136;1465687260;mircea_popescu;win!
1481137;1465687282;mircea_popescu;lol hanbot you ever seen the scary fucking teeth they have btw ?
1481138;1465687382;hanbot;nah, that's in the horrors we shan't investigate that we may sleep soundly sorta category
1481139;1465687691;mircea_popescu;looks ~like chulhu
1481140;1465687944;hanbot;nanothulhu?
1481141;1465688026;mircea_popescu;i suspect it's how the original drawings were inspired actually.
1481142;1465688045;mircea_popescu;the similarity is striking in any case.
1481143;1465688211;shinohai;To be fair, they did play a role in wiping out ~60% of Europe's population at one point.
1481144;1465688251;mircea_popescu;true
1481145;1465688704;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prolly should just migrate it to t.
1481146;1465688754;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1481147;1465688761;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 596.23, vol: 3036.48187973 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 580.0, vol: 3561.06871 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 606.98, vol: 25520.10305091 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 555.0, vol: 0.9 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 609.2952, vol: 29831.75180000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 604.46, vol: 1567.36156384 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 590.7825, vol: 58.20614228 | Volume-weighted last average: 605.964006571
1481148;1465690806;shinohai;http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636655/Gawker-Media-looks-sue-billionaire-Peter-Thiel-funding-Hulk-Hogan-s-legal-action-s-plunged-debt-report-claims.html   <<< the plot thickens?
1481149;1465694555;mircea_popescu;hahaha what.
1481150;1465694581;mircea_popescu;you can't sue someone FOR THAT roflmao. what's these shits imagine, that they're in power or something ?
1481151;1465694743;*;mircea_popescu would much prefer a davout -run liquidation. at least it'd establish the item's true value. which, i suspect, is somewhere south of 80 btc.
1481152;1465694927;shinohai;I'm flabbergasted too. Last time I checked you could still bankroll whoever you wanted to.
1481153;1465694940;mircea_popescu;the derps seriously imagine they're in power.
1481154;1465694952;mircea_popescu;"tortious interference" and "racketeering", get a load of that.
1481155;1465694999;shinohai;I guess it is an attempt to plug sinking ship with ice cubes.
1481156;1465695028;mircea_popescu;more like a "we own this land and fuck you" sorta argument, "it's illegal for you to help the people we don't like".
1481157;1465695053;mircea_popescu;except that works when i do it, and who the fuck is gawker.
1481158;1465695094;asciilifeform;'The Wall Street Journal reports Gawker has received a $22million bankruptcy loan to keep the business afloat prior to their sale at auction.'
1481159;1465695101;asciilifeform;^ ~somebody~ is keeping the shitliner afloat
1481160;1465695117;asciilifeform;for some purpose.
1481161;1465695151;shinohai;American public must have shit journalism to read. Not like they care for much else besides sensationalism.
1481162;1465695207;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f38gaRoo1cE
1481163;1465695220;asciilifeform;'The HaoBTC Kangding mine is one the three Bitcoin datacenters that HaoBTC currently operates - as of the time of writing, it generates 33PH hash rate. The miners deployed are Avalon 6 and Bitmain S7s. Here is an unedited walk-through filmed on June 11, 2016.'
1481164;1465695224;mircea_popescu;anyway, the "looking into" thing is pure ridiculous. the usual fare of gawker, "throw shit at the wall because anyone reading is too stupid to distinguish their mouth and asshole anyway"
1481165;1465695233;mircea_popescu;basically, writing fiction for their demo.
1481166;1465695263;shinohai;I thought I was looking at a video of Alabama there for a minute until I saw Chinese writing.
1481167;1465695355;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the defeated hillary will sue trump for "allienation of affection" lmao
1481168;1465695481;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016/06/peter-andreas-thiel.pdf << lulzy. claims thiel cv - and he's a j.d., i had nfi
1481169;1465695562;mircea_popescu;incididentally BingoBoingo : does qntra not publish trackbacks or just didn't get ?
1481170;1465695607;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> incididentally BingoBoingo : does qntra not publish trackbacks or just didn't get ? << Does not recieve trackbacks in a meaningful way. Entire xml-rpc was excised because fuck Mullenweg
1481171;1465695695;mircea_popescu;ah.
1481172;1465695723;BingoBoingo;So no trackbacks, no rpc brute force, etc
1481173;1465695752;mircea_popescu;im sure it still gets the requests
1481174;1465695836;BingoBoingo;Prolly, in same way jaded city dweller "listens" to the ambient noise.
1481175;1465695895;mircea_popescu;aha
1481176;1465695927;BingoBoingo;request or in way that wall recieves piss
1481177;1465696107;deedbot;[Trilema] Meanwhile in Buenos Aires... - http://trilema.com/2016/meanwhile-in-buenos-aires/
1481178;1465696130;BingoBoingo;Trackbacks between sites were nice while they lasted, but as noted on Trilema this piece of the shitfrasctructure was fired in anger.
1481179;1465696227;BingoBoingo;;;later tell phf Apparently the motor commune still wants for mechanic https://stlouis.craigslist.org/lbg/5630646192.html
1481180;1465696228;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481181;1465696272;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1481099   <<< This guy turned out very strange, now proudly boasts "America first" in profile.
1481182;1465696272;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 15:43 mircea_popescu: what's he care
1481183;1465696299;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo trilema works ok with trackbacks, but i guess it's one of the few.
1481184;1465696361;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: But at what cognitive cost? Certainly a greater one than simply removing the entirety of the xml-rpc and turds therein.
1481185;1465696372;mircea_popescu;notrly ?
1481186;1465696418;mircea_popescu;not like i'm doing anything ; there's the antispam thing that's documented in an article ; also the xml-rpc hardening idem documented. that's about it. haven't touched any of it in years.
1481187;1465696425;BingoBoingo;Literally this involves simply deleting a file called "xml-rpc.php" One keystroke for great justice.
1481188;1465696439;mircea_popescu;well then i guess more cost.
1481189;1465696456;mircea_popescu;upfront though. not really more maintenance afaik.
1481190;1465696566;BingoBoingo;Yeah, either way is cheaper than Demoocracy for sure https://stlouis.craigslist.org/evg/5630776322.html
1481191;1465696631;mircea_popescu;in other news, dude caught on surveillance tape fucking hens : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z0VErbh1ek
1481192;1465696648;mircea_popescu;(the cameras were installed in the first place by old woman wanting to know wtf her hens are so fucking noisy at night)
1481193;1465696686;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://site.baryonyxknife.com/blog/2015/06/22/the-real-douk-douks << quite interesting - re the fella pictured on the ubiquitous french knife.
1481194;1465696717;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: win.
1481195;1465696769;asciilifeform;gotta love how the other chickenz gather 'round the phucked one
1481196;1465696771;asciilifeform;pecking, pecking.
1481197;1465696797;asciilifeform;l0l, he goes back for seconds!
1481198;1465696872;shinohai;Takes "choking your chicken" to a new level.
1481199;1465698247;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-12#1481181 << he's a weird d00d. you know kinda guy who moves to NYC for a girl without a job.
1481200;1465698248;a111;Logged on 2016-06-12 01:51 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1481099   <<< This guy turned out very strange, now proudly boasts "America first" in profile.
1481201;1465700751;mircea_popescu;aha.
1481202;1465700838;mircea_popescu;some dudes are lucky, fit in chicken.
1481203;1465701633;mircea_popescu;so here's what i'd do if i were actually running any of the studios :
1481204;1465701638;mircea_popescu;season sex passes.
1481205;1465701650;mircea_popescu;bring a friend, sit in for the filming of any sex scene during the season.
1481206;1465701662;mircea_popescu;prolly get a million an' a half or some shit for them, too.
1481207;1465739084;deedbot;[Qntra] Suspected Islamist Shoots Up Florida Gay Bar - http://qntra.net/2016/06/suspected-islamist-shoots-up-florida-gay-bar/
1481208;1465741018;mircea_popescu;in other news, "whosoever withdraws from stupidity thereby becomes its avant-garde."
1481209;1465741761;BingoBoingo;Updates, 50 deaths and 53 injuries http://qntra.net/2016/06/suspected-islamist-shoots-up-florida-gay-bar/
1481210;1465741894;shinohai;O.o
1481211;1465741960;shinohai;Fred Phelps laughs in hell.
1481212;1465742300;thestringpuller;well his hot granddaughter is out fucking and having a good time now that her brainwashing is gone
1481213;1465742796;shinohai;For BingoBoingo http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/11/us/jamie-shupe-non-binary/
1481214;1465743318;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 50 deaths and 53 injuries << take a guess, 1 bloke with pea shooter, or squad of police with schmeissers on full auto
1481215;1465744274;BingoBoingo;both!
1481216;1465744357;BingoBoingo;But yes. Not the question we deserve, but the one we need.
1481217;1465745069;jurov;;;later tell BingoBoingo yes i'll gladly help anyone to dispose of their shares ;)
1481218;1465745070;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481219;1465745256;BingoBoingo;;;later tell mod6 ^
1481220;1465745256;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481221;1465746088;BingoBoingo;Update 2: Mr. Snackbar identified http://qntra.net/2016/06/suspected-islamist-shoots-up-florida-gay-bar/
1481222;1465746183;BingoBoingo;brb
1481223;1465746900;thestringpuller;so this is real: https://ethereumpyramid.com/
1481224;1465746907;thestringpuller;and people are actually buying into it
1481225;1465746925;mircea_popescu;not substantially different from ethereum itselfd.
1481226;1465746929;shinohai;Scammers love their scams.
1481227;1465750941;Framedragger;vc: thanks for the cockbox! how are things?
1481228;1465750961;Framedragger;by which i mean, any crazy customer support / admin stories thus far? :)
1481229;1465751444;mod6;thanks BingoBoingo
1481230;1465751479;mod6;Cool jurov, when they are distrbuted (month end?), just hit me up.
1481231;1465751504;thestringpuller;usually its the week after the statement on trilema confirming share count
1481232;1465751520;thestringpuller;so first/second week of july
1481233;1465751557;jurov;mod6 Qntra shares? When did you receive any?
1481234;1465751600;mod6;i haven't, yet. but i wrote an article. so i presume they will give me a few.
1481235;1465751615;mod6;but i'd like to send the proceeds to The Bitcoin Foundation
1481236;1465751638;mod6;so just take your coinbr fee and forward the rest to the btcf addy if that's ok?
1481237;1465751671;jurov;sorry, i can't. they are meant to be used strictly for hookers and blow.
1481238;1465751678;mod6;or, if you'd rather i signed a statement saying such, i can do that when they get distributed.
1481239;1465751678;shinohai;^
1481240;1465751684;mod6;lol
1481241;1465751699;mod6;i suppose that can be arranged.
1481242;1465751738;mod6;anyway, thanks, we'll talk 'round month end then to get it figured out.
1481243;1465751741;shinohai;Bad news is all the good blow vendors are on tor
1481244;1465751770;vc;Framedragger: things have been great, users have been fine save for the billions of them that messed up their SSH key
1481245;1465751780;jurov;yes, your shares are tied to your gpg fingerprint, so pls make a signed request to onetime/automatic delivery toi certain coinbr account
1481246;1465751782;vc;I'm going to have to put like a tutorial on the checkout page
1481247;1465751827;vc;I'm currently planning on getting 144GB memory and 6 more SSDs
1481248;1465751839;vc;which will put my maximum slot count at 140
1481249;1465751892;vc;and if the 140 slots fill up I will purchase the other 144GB memory which is the last possible upgrade for the server
1481250;1465752343;mod6;jurov: what if one doens't have a coinbr account?
1481251;1465752414;jurov;you can have them sent to mpex account, too
1481252;1465752425;jurov;:D
1481253;1465752666;mod6;ok. we'll work something out. no problemo.
1481254;1465752700;jurov;or just say you want to donate them to foundation and we'll work it out
1481255;1465752720;mod6;cool. thanks man.
1481256;1465752901;Framedragger;vc: nice, man
1481257;1465752915;Framedragger;hehe yeah, ssh keys, welcome to idiotland i guess
1481258;1465753619;Framedragger;vc: just fyi, there appears to be a ~10k packets / second limit somewhere upstream, are you aware of anything of the kind? i'm just running some self-tests (using a program which has its own TCP stack, i.e. no use of kernel networking / sockets). same tests produce at least 10 times as much elsewhere. cpu not the bottleneck. just wondering what it could be
1481259;1465753686;Framedragger;note, stricly-localhost test gives me much more than that. but test with bogus mac address (so it doesn't hit the actual internet) gives only 10k pps, which is real low. some hardware firewall doing excessive ratelimiting?
1481260;1465753711;vc;Framedragger: I have definitely seen waaaaaaay over 10k packets / s on these interfaces so that's not the problem
1481261;1465753727;vc;there is an outbound cap of 100Mbit/s on the interfaces
1481262;1465753748;Framedragger;hmm. yeah self-test which doesn't leave localhost gives me ~ 3M pps or so
1481263;1465753765;vc;what size of packets?
1481264;1465753792;Framedragger;uh need to check. but it's just a TCP SYN!
1481265;1465753811;Framedragger;41 bytes i think
1481266;1465753816;Framedragger;i mean it's clearly not bw cap
1481267;1465753873;vc;are you doing tests right now?
1481268;1465753890;Framedragger;vnstat gives me maybe 5 mbps total
1481269;1465753902;Framedragger;vc: yeah just relaunched. vm031
1481270;1465753907;asciilifeform;reddit, apparently, censoring all string matches of mr. jihad's name.
1481271;1465753921;Framedragger;with botched mac addr so shouldnt even reach internet, i think theyre getting dropped at some local router
1481272;1465753950;vc;yes, that would be aftables
1481273;1465753956;vc;I filter mac addresses...
1481274;1465753965;Framedragger;ahhh. not a bad thing hm
1481275;1465753973;vc;arptables*
1481276;1465753989;vc;and some other one
1481277;1465753990;Framedragger;vc: thanks for clarifying!
1481278;1465753991;vc;idk
1481279;1465753993;vc;yep
1481280;1465754035;Framedragger;right i'll stop diddling with mac addresses and do some actual packet-sending work heh
1481281;1465754362;shinohai;asciilifeform: muh censorship!
1481282;1465754470;Framedragger;vc: yep, all good otherwise !
1481283;1465756422;mircea_popescu;mod6 end of month
1481284;1465756519;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what sense does that make anyway ?
1481285;1465756526;mod6;mircea_popescu: cool, good dela.
1481286;1465756529;mod6;*deal
1481287;1465756563;mircea_popescu;Framedragger are you having fun ? :D
1481288;1465756640;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/ee36bedf0fca8c0d4ef63d66ba3acf26/tumblr_o0x4tbbm0z1ud7ml4o1_400.gif
1481289;1465756843;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah afk shit is calming down, so getting back to variations packet madness :D
1481290;1465756847;Framedragger;and yeah that's hot
1481291;1465756854;Framedragger;*variations of
1481292;1465756862;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-12#1481284 << i have deeply nfi
1481293;1465756862;a111;Logged on 2016-06-12 18:35 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what sense does that make anyway ?
1481294;1465757105;Framedragger;(gun resume and finish ipv4 open ssh port scans tonight with vc's node (vc: it's randomized ip range scan and only 30 kpackets/s, before you ask), and then deploy ~10 vps nodes for ssh key extraction, feeding port-22-open-list from the former into the latter.)
1481295;1465757324;thestringpuller;"Without any regulation you can't stop a bad actor before they start. They only need to scam people once to make a lot of money.
1481296;1465757327;thestringpuller;"
1481297;1465757335;thestringpuller;^- sometimes i wonder if people even deserve Bitcoin
1481298;1465757342;vc;Framedragger: I'm cool with port scans, neither me nor my parent host cares
1481299;1465757614;Framedragger;vc: cool, and i remember you saying this the first time otherwise wouldn't have done it, just wanted to let you know that these particular scans won't (*completely*) trash the reputation of the currently assigned ipv4 :)
1481300;1465757664;Framedragger;thestringpuller: "do people deserve bitcoin?" is this still a non-rhetorical question? :)
1481301;1465758051;thestringpuller;Framedragger: The mass adoption crowd is much like the Bernie Sanders crowd.
1481302;1465758068;thestringpuller;They are actually one in the same. Socialist by any other name. For fuck's sake.
1481303;1465758099;thestringpuller;I refuse to live in a world where my hard work is plundered by mr. millenial who was sucking on his momma's tit until 22.
1481304;1465758129;shinohai;Better kill yourself then.
1481305;1465758240;thestringpuller;$b 2
1481306;1465758650;Framedragger;i would maintain that the socialist set and the doesnt-deserve-bitcoin set are not necessarily mutually exclusive; at least this cannot be known a priori. mp et al. would argue that it can; so be it
1481307;1465758659;Framedragger;oh shit i meant
1481308;1465758678;Framedragger;the mapping between the sets is not necessarily bijective, i.e. one-to-one
1481309;1465758715;Framedragger;but to show this / give examples of some differences.. eh fuck that, too much effort
1481310;1465758790;Framedragger;> kakobrekla: and if someone is missing mps clothless pic, please enjoy https://bou.si/4c/1465748545019.png
1481311;1465758792;*;Framedragger smiles
1481312;1465758958;shinohai;./send kakobrekla ( ::: [ ] ::: )
1481313;1465759014;thestringpuller;Framedragger: I was being hyperbolic. My point was more that the mass adoption crowd is too stupid to regulate themselves, and as such would like to punish all of Bitcoin.
1481314;1465759036;thestringpuller;All mass adoption will cause is more people getting scammed.
1481315;1465759041;thestringpuller;Maybe more teen mothers.
1481316;1465760179;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2654284789 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Agora One; Agora Two; Owned One; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0E003608EA39E53320224486E8BE078D66D2E7CC62438F4A42878C73BF67A3C
1481317;1465764761;mircea_popescu;Framedragger a) what "et al" ; b) no i wouldn't.
1481318;1465772408;Framedragger;thestringpuller: yes, fair enough
1481319;1465772426;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: apologies - too much presumption on my part, then!
1481320;1465773042;mircea_popescu;aite.
1481321;1465773239;Framedragger;in other news, am casually looking into perfect forward secrecy in *asynchronous* communications. this *may* turn out to be relevant for gossipd enthusiasts and connoisseurs in the long run, too. the most simple way appears to be for nodes to generate a bunch of "pre-keys" (halves of ephemeral key exchange), and store/cache them somewhere (obvs signed by their permanent identity key), a la https://whispersystems.org/blog/asynchronous-sec
1481322;1465773261;Framedragger;this way one can (in principle) achieve pfs for communications between otherwise offline nodes
1481323;1465773427;Framedragger;"this one weird trick" kind of thing, not too smart, but possibly just smart enough.
1481324;1465773609;Framedragger;(incidentally, author has a nice writing voice, https://moxie.org/stories.html / moxie.org)
1481325;1465773843;asciilifeform;framedragger: moxie is usg stooge.
1481326;1465773856;asciilifeform;$s marlinspike
1481327;1465773858;a111;7 results for "marlinspike", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=marlinspike
1481328;1465774010;Framedragger;asciilifeform: bullshit.
1481329;1465774039;Framedragger;logs are no help btw
1481330;1465774054;Framedragger;but i'm too tired now.
1481331;1465774177;Framedragger;asciilifeform: btw the prekey idea is sound, with or without ad hominem
1481332;1465775589;asciilifeform;Framedragger: as reflected in the log search, marlinspike is usg asset and infamous pusher of crypto snakeoil.
1481333;1465775622;asciilifeform;i will countenance any pretense to the contrary.
1481334;1465775637;asciilifeform;*will NOT
1481335;1465775673;asciilifeform;moxie m pushes shitphones. and ssl monkey tricks. and 'pgp is obsolete'.
1481336;1465775694;asciilifeform;fuck him - with red hot poker.
1481337;1465775779;asciilifeform;but yes, gossip node can issue as many ephemeral keys as it wants - this is ~obvious~
1481338;1465775832;asciilifeform;and certainly not invented by usg stooge, it was in my comment series under mircea_popescu's original gossipd article.
1481339;1465776805;mircea_popescu;not entirely clear what the benefit of ~signing~ said ephemeral keys is however
1481340;1465776815;mircea_popescu;the concepts are contradictory.
1481341;1465776919;mircea_popescu;but in udder news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/853673f068be74532c6099a53ce5436a/tumblr_o0qvfr9GWQ1usvymao1_500.gif
1481342;1465777175;Framedragger;concepts not contradictory, you use one as session key, the other to link sessions in terms of authorship / who participates in said sessions. unless you meant something more technical/particular mircea_popescu
1481343;1465777215;mircea_popescu;if it's signed it's not ephemeral.
1481344;1465777237;Framedragger;asciilifeform: won't argue as it's obvious that it'd be fruitless. i can certainly see the viewpoint. "what he pushes == snakeoil" is a strong accusation tho. however, i'm not prepared to provide defence till i'm old, weary, and wise (or at least till i'm old)
1481345;1465777238;mircea_popescu;the authority of an ephemeral key must be a) contextual and b) not reconstructable.
1481346;1465777274;Framedragger;ephermeral keys are usually used for encryption; i don't think the functions of permanent vs. ephermeral keys are mutually exclusive at all
1481347;1465777283;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1481348;1465777316;Framedragger;all i meant was that you e.g. have an otr fingerprint - which represents a permanent keypair. but your otr client establishes ephemeral key per each session
1481349;1465777344;mircea_popescu;otr is ~broken, i wouldn't want it as an example for functional pfs.
1481350;1465777346;Framedragger;however if you want to be sure that it was bob who constructed this session that you're now participating in - your old friend bob will have to show that he owns the private key
1481351;1465777369;Framedragger;right, the example, however, only probed a general scheme, and no protocol particulars. but fair enough
1481352;1465777389;mircea_popescu;anyway, to understand each other : if M are messages signed by K[eys], then if on the basis of M2 you can prove that indeed K1 was used for M1 then your system is not pfs, and K aren't ephemeral.
1481353;1465777392;Framedragger;i think i expressed myself badly, though.
1481354;1465777452;Framedragger;hm, see i put more weight on the "can't encrypt if permanent key is compromised" part in pfs
1481355;1465777456;Framedragger;*decrypt
1481356;1465777481;mircea_popescu;there's one definition of pfs, and that is, later keys being compromised does not show anything about earlier keys.
1481357;1465777492;mircea_popescu;~anything~.
1481358;1465777496;Framedragger;butbut, yes of course, hence the whole idea of otr actually changing session key constantly, for plausible deniability and all that (and won't argue that it's not broken)
1481359;1465777513;Framedragger;right.
1481360;1465777517;mircea_popescu;sure, but merely "chaning" the key is not good enough. if it signs it... they're there.
1481361;1465777547;Framedragger;right, so your idea of pfs is perfect unlinkability, so to speak. of course this makes sense
1481362;1465777576;mircea_popescu;not exactly trivial to implement, obv.
1481363;1465777578;Framedragger;how do you ensure that it's still bob you're talking to, or do you not care (on some technical or literal level)
1481364;1465777600;mircea_popescu;you ever got to read the many discussions re gossipd in log ? this part is there.
1481365;1465777623;Framedragger;..getting to it. lots of stupid jokes to sift through. but thanks, will continue
1481366;1465777629;mircea_popescu;(if you mean, in gossipd. if you mean in general... ouf, complicated issue.)
1481367;1465777657;Framedragger;both, i suppose, or either would be interesting. gossipd probably provides decent constraints and framework for thought, so might as well stick to that
1481368;1465777690;Framedragger;(i hope you lost any hope in ip address in packet as a form of identity/proof/whatnot, though!)
1481369;1465777718;Framedragger;(i mean, ip address as it appears in an IP header)
1481370;1465777742;mircea_popescu;Framedragger http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467075 one of the more recent installments.
1481371;1465777742;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 13:52 mircea_popescu: actually, let me go into detail, why the hell not. ("because derps stalk the logs for examples of how x doesn't understand y" "and ?" "myeah.")
1481372;1465777747;Framedragger;thanks
1481373;1465777888;mircea_popescu;anyway, i don't think ips were ever seriously considered as identity.
1481374;1465777937;Framedragger;(aha, "actual order" of messages is not one of the requirements; interesting; i suppose folks who maintain that breaking order integrity == breaking s3curity!! are kind of derpy anyway, in the sense that if you have something critical to communicate, you'll find other means to derive integrity, etc.)
1481375;1465778005;mircea_popescu;more importantly, "order" is not clearly a physical entity. all you have is observers.
1481376;1465778092;Framedragger;very quantum :)
1481377;1465778117;mircea_popescu;can't be helped.
1481378;1465778166;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481352 << ephemeral key is when only the participants can reconstruct the chain.
1481379;1465778166;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 00:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, to understand each other : if M are messages signed by K[eys], then if on the basis of M2 you can prove that indeed K1 was used for M1 then your system is not pfs, and K aren't ephemeral.
1481380;1465778178;asciilifeform;i.e. nonpublic pubkey.
1481381;1465778354;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481339 << a correct gossipd node processed NOT ONE BYTE unless it is covered by a signature traceable to a known peer.
1481382;1465778354;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 00:13 mircea_popescu: not entirely clear what the benefit of ~signing~ said ephemeral keys is however
1481383;1465778390;asciilifeform;any other behaviour - invitation to shitflood.
1481384;1465778394;Framedragger;i'll sketch mp's scheme on a whiteboard tomorrow or thereabouts, so i can say that i get the picture. makes sense overall, in terms of no chans as such, etc etc.
1481385;1465778423;Framedragger;pfs is unclear but then who had it easy with worthwhile things anyway
1481386;1465778474;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i understand it perfectly. but the baroque marlinspiked version is satanic and deliberately overcomplicated.
1481387;1465778490;asciilifeform;like all shitgnomatic productions.
1481388;1465778493;Framedragger;didn't think it was overcomplicated tbh, i mean, not this particular part anyway
1481389;1465778526;Framedragger;DH exchange gets temporally split, so to speak
1481390;1465778545;Framedragger;not saying that it wouldn't be super easy to fuck it up via all sorts of baroque side channels and whatnot
1481391;1465778561;Framedragger;and that his implementation isn't fucked
1481392;1465778708;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481381 << would the scheme of gossipd in your mind as it currently stands allow for signatures by a non-permanent gpg key (by something akin to ephemeral key)? identity (of communicating party) integrity would be within the decrypted contents; but not ascertainable by message header (here's gpg id 0xbabe)
1481393;1465778709;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 00:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481339 << a correct gossipd node processed NOT ONE BYTE unless it is covered by a signature traceable to a known peer.
1481394;1465778744;asciilifeform;i did say 'traceable to'
1481395;1465778790;Framedragger;right, which allows for transitivity of one sort or another, i suppose. fair enough
1481396;1465778806;asciilifeform;but ephemeral keys are necessary because there is NO reason why usg should know which lord is speaking to which.
1481397;1465778881;asciilifeform;(pubkeys, in all known asymmetric systems, can be inferred from M bytes of traffic. so NO pubkey should ever transmit a burst of >=M.)
1481398;1465778934;Framedragger;yeah.
1481399;1465779047;thestringpuller;node died and starts by being stuck
1481400;1465779313;mircea_popescu;prolly should also be pointed out that atm the design is yet the consistency of pudding.
1481401;1465779615;*;Framedragger should write some kind of simple thingie which takes (1) keyword and (2) timestamp pairs as intervals, and produces a kind of wiki page for all given keywords. (2) can be amended later as needed. so that there'd be a page for gossipd without much effort at all
1481402;1465779645;Framedragger;'cause it's mad, i tell you
1481403;1465779723;mircea_popescu;not such a bad idea.
1481404;1465779834;Framedragger;may even be possible to piggyback / re-use https://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot ; putting this for later reconsideration; off to sleep, later!
1481405;1465780499;ben_vulpes;20-something, "put wifi in the cardano!"
1481406;1465780514;ben_vulpes;2016, "put moxie marlinspike in gossipd!"
1481407;1465780588;ben_vulpes;2020 something something egalitarian treatment of UCI nodes
1481408;1465783705;phf;asciilifeform: you were right, four quarters is a large shtf project, using hippie and music festivals to find their operations. i can see why orlol would like it
1481409;1465785049;mircea_popescu;;;ud shtf
1481410;1465785050;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1481411;1465785272;phf;shit hits the fan, preparedness crowd term for hypothetical future civilization break down
1481412;1465785274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'shit hit the fan'
1481413;1465785293;asciilifeform;phf has it
1481414;1465785308;mircea_popescu;that's what i thought but it dun parse.
1481415;1465785318;mircea_popescu;to fund their ops ?
1481416;1465785454;phf;well, they've been buying up land around where they are with loans, and paying it off from donations and festivals which they write off as "religious ceremonies".
1481417;1465785625;mircea_popescu;i suppose this is as good a plan as it gets in the context.
1481418;1465810805;Framedragger;so #botwar has the following chan rules : http://sysdef.de/botwar_channelrules.txt
1481419;1465815205;mircea_popescu;lol ?
1481420;1465815230;mircea_popescu;isn't 2013 a little late for rick rolling ?
1481421;1465815520;mircea_popescu;and in further sjw news, http://www.collarspace.com/personals/v/2427600/details.htm
1481422;1465815832;mircea_popescu;(okemos high school, 2800 jolly road, meridian charter township, mi 48864)
1481423;1465815978;shinohai;Ah, she wants to be "Black owned". How cute.
1481424;1465818028;mircea_popescu;http://www.okemosschools.net/education/page/download.php?fileinfo=RXJpYy5wZGY6Ojovd3d3Ny9zY2hvb2xzL21pL29rZW1vcy9pbWFnZXMvZG9jbWdyLzg2NDdmaWxlNzA4MDMucGRm&sectiondetailid=160 <<->> some lafond article pointing out that if you see a man with girlfriend(s) he's black, whereas if he's white he's generally a junkie and if accompanied by a female her cuckold.
1481425;1465818046;mircea_popescu;do you know it BingoBoingo ? the one describing a pimp with two fat women ; a guy with a hot chick fucking her in the bathroom ; and other things.
1481426;1465818094;mircea_popescu;anyway : white fellow married a woman older than himself, impregnated her at the merry age of 30, and produced a useless shithead, which opted out just by the time "society" was done pumping half a mil in his sorry loser ass.
1481427;1465818509;mircea_popescu;girl's desire to be black owned is not only perfectly understandable in that context, but rationally mandatory. what the fuck is she to do ?if she's got any life whatsoever left in her coils, what the everloving fuck is she to do, nurse eric ?
1481428;1465820400;mircea_popescu;(obviously, the hallucinated "black as non-white" she imagines has little to do with anything found in nature, but hey, sucks to be a black dude with a human sized penis.)
1481429;1465822393;PeterL;$register PeterL F595258CD9F1FDBDEFAE5093B4E2E0DCACB63D25
1481430;1465822402;deedbot;Import failed for PeterL.
1481431;1465822428;Framedragger;http://blogs.microsoft.com/firehose/2016/06/13/microsoft-to-acquire-linkedin/#sm.001trr8qq17rjdt2xt1122l06mc16
1481432;1465822434;Framedragger;> 26.2 billion
1481433;1465822434;Framedragger;l0l
1481434;1465822460;Framedragger;apt commentary on this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11893190
1481435;1465822560;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: interesting
1481436;1465822601;mircea_popescu;reprise of the "turner buys myspace for 1bn" thing.
1481437;1465822615;BingoBoingo;"black owned" LinkedIN
1481438;1465822630;PeterL;how to update to new key with deedbot?
1481439;1465822717;mircea_popescu;the scam being 1. govt prints and hands money off to "pension funds" -> 2. pension funds "invest" in microsoft ; 3. chosen sons form "online business", feed it as per http://trilema.com/2014/askfm-laid-bare-or-whats-half-a-million-uniques-to-you/ (there's an entire scamola pyramid to create "numbers" for these "properties", scratched the surface of documenting it on trilema but really it's collossal). and then finally, 4. 2 s
1481440;1465822718;mircea_popescu;ends however many billions to 3. victory.
1481441;1465822735;mircea_popescu;PeterL not even sure that's possible - a question for trinque
1481442;1465822849;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, as various "open source" geniuses (ref http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265178 ) found out on own skin, of the "26bn, $randomfigure" of paper dollars, precious few turkey-dollars actually trickle down to the "owners". black or otherwise.
1481443;1465822849;a111;Logged on 2015-09-07 12:55 punkman: then http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth >> and now http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6835
1481444;1465823042;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-09-07#1265178 << HAHAHA ok that is funny.
1481445;1465823042;a111;Logged on 2015-09-07 12:55 punkman: then http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth >> and now http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6835
1481446;1465823072;Framedragger;yeah, "co-founders" are left with shares of shit class and shit amount thereof, it's a nice scam
1481447;1465823102;mircea_popescu;unlike whatever random thug that got killed dealing and started "riots", and who for no reason became "representative" of imaginary "social issues" - the story here, if deliberately blacked out, is nevertheless very representative. that schmuck stands, pars pro toto, for EVERYONE EVER in fiat lands.
1481448;1465823108;Framedragger;(and you may still need to play egregious taxes if in US, even before you get to exercise them etc)
1481449;1465823144;mircea_popescu;prolly should also link http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ for a more systematic expose.
1481450;1465823245;mircea_popescu;but if you want to know how the usg corrupt class siphons the public hreasury - look no further. that's the system, "acquisitions", government-mandated, like facebook buying some derpy app for $random_sum, and so on. "we gave you free money, now you give it back" goes the story.
1481451;1465823272;shinohai;LOL Microsoft buying LinkedIn ... will TOTALLY improve their security.
1481452;1465823303;mircea_popescu;the funny part being, of course, that nobody is pushing to "crack down on corruption" when it actually happens, ie, here. no, "cracking down on corruption" is Reich-speech for what happens in a recently conquered land, to destroy its local elite. that's what's meant when you say random noplace government harping about how they'll crack down on imaginary "corruption".
1481453;1465823334;mircea_popescu;a government recently installed, of course, through a push for "human rights" and "democracy", widely "embraced". ie, first destroy the state, then destroy the society, then it's time to walmart up.
1481454;1465823342;Framedragger;oh yeah already forgot about the password steal. lol. just fuck the entrepreneur world with a rake
1481455;1465823400;mircea_popescu;eh linkedin is the entrepreneur world like livejournal is the poet world.
1481456;1465823544;Framedragger;actually i'm sure there are some legit poets on LJ, heh.
1481457;1465823544;Framedragger;but yeah, i meant entrepreneur not in the etymological/definitional sense, but in the "currently attached bundle of crappy connotations" sense
1481458;1465823591;mircea_popescu;well, they're sorta like the girls watching tv hoping to one day grow up into oprah through the mediation of being rap video sluts. except they're boys, and they read reddit, and hope to one day "make a company that sells for billions".
1481459;1465823603;mircea_popescu;for all the pretense, the difference between these demos is vanishingly small if at all present.
1481460;1465823631;Framedragger;for sure.
1481461;1465823649;Framedragger;daddy's connections help with the arbitrary selection
1481462;1465823665;mircea_popescu;i suppose their respective gatherings are the sum total of such difference : less clothing, more sunshine and more perfume where the girlies gather. more armpit stains and bad shirts and neon lighting where the boys gather.
1481463;1465823705;Framedragger;and stickers on laptops because geek kultura and san francisco amirite
1481464;1465823730;mircea_popescu;nah, the girls have stickers on their phones.
1481465;1465823737;shinohai;https://i.imgur.com/C8Jj9DT.jpg  (-__-)
1481466;1465823743;mircea_popescu;which, really, === laptops, for what "laptop" means today.
1481467;1465823789;Framedragger;smart watches (now with 9h of battery life!!1) are laptops t00!!
1481468;1465823835;mircea_popescu;http://jameslafond.com/article.php?id=2356 << nb.
1481469;1465823900;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: nb == nota bene? ?
1481470;1465823907;Framedragger;s/? ?/? :)/
1481471;1465824064;mircea_popescu;nod bad
1481472;1465824218;Framedragger;k
1481473;1465824287;shinohai;nb = nigger balls
1481474;1465824294;shinohai;Everyone knows that.
1481475;1465824304;mircea_popescu;and fuck do i love this dual format omfg. how did people irc pre blogs ? how do people blog w/o irc ? i guess they use twitter... but shit, it doesn't compare.
1481476;1465824335;mircea_popescu;stuff you don't feel like writing out in 1k words, interactive etc has a place. moreover, that place drives like a third or more of the longer pieces. it's a match made in heaven.
1481477;1465824371;Framedragger;need dat irc2wiki bot
1481478;1465824378;Framedragger;cycle may be complete then
1481479;1465824384;mircea_popescu;heh
1481480;1465824402;mircea_popescu;btw asciilifeform you gonna make a ticket set for phuctor ?
1481481;1465824469;mircea_popescu;oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ?
1481482;1465824542;thestringpuller;ticket 31
1481483;1465824544;thestringpuller;no?
1481484;1465824580;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481480 << thinking about it. speaking of: whatever happened to the sr keys thing ?
1481485;1465824581;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 13:26 mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform you gonna make a ticket set for phuctor ?
1481486;1465824617;mircea_popescu;exactly nothing, guy melted in the woodwork.
1481487;1465824631;asciilifeform;sad
1481488;1465824662;mircea_popescu;well - it's what it is. there's a dedicated loafer community out there, adamant on "i shall not be useful". best filter them out asap.
1481489;1465824668;asciilifeform;i think he may have ended up kakoized
1481490;1465824682;mircea_popescu;i suppose in its own terms it makes sense, a sort of solipsistic revolt of the anal child. nevertheless... let jesus save them or whatever, we're busy.
1481491;1465824873;Framedragger;sr keys?
1481492;1465824879;Framedragger;$s "sr keys"
1481493;1465824879;a111;3 results for "\"sr keys\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22sr%20keys%22
1481494;1465824884;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481481 << the 'error: invalid or non-wallet tx !' response to gettx is infuriating idiocy
1481495;1465824884;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 13:27 mircea_popescu: oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ?
1481496;1465824912;Framedragger;ahh " get pgp keys out of the gwen[sic] / sr dump"
1481497;1465824912;Framedragger;k
1481498;1465825214;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeah ; and anything else interesting.
1481499;1465825335;Framedragger;probably an easy grep; all text uncompressed ~1.6TB; will keep it mind for laters
1481500;1465825398;Framedragger;someone also tried spidering ssh keys from .onion hosts, and then matching them with ssh keys of ipv4 space; i want to re-try that, too
1481501;1465825427;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea actually. guaranteed to de-"anonymise" at least a few
1481502;1465825430;Framedragger;low hanging fruits in opsec failures, volume one
1481503;1465825433;Framedragger;yeah.
1481504;1465825443;mircea_popescu;it's the correct approach ; what yielded phuctor also.
1481505;1465825460;mircea_popescu;what few know/recall today is that when we started it, the agreement was "it's not going to find anything".
1481506;1465825466;Framedragger;a, haha
1481507;1465825472;Framedragger;nice.
1481508;1465825476;mircea_popescu;pointless didactic exercise.
1481509;1465825511;mircea_popescu;this approach is to be continued systematically. much like a principal wanting to root out the crips from school is best advised to start with checking homework.
1481510;1465826012;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
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1481512;1465826129;shinohai;In other acquisitions news: http://www.pcworld.com/article/3082771/symantec-to-acquire-blue-coat-for-465-billion.html#tk.rss_all
1481513;1465826249;BingoBoingo;;;more
1481514;1465826249;gribble;average: 704.315170193
1481515;1465826322;mircea_popescu;Framedragger "the lie", you know. which is why hanno boeck ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) et al went all in for the "nothing happened". derps are by and large conditioned to "think" that nothing happened because nothing happens because nothing can happen because nothing happened because...
1481516;1465826342;mircea_popescu;and so... "nothing happened".
1481517;1465826431;mircea_popescu;which is why this simple strategy is so effectual - magic tricks work by directing the chump's attention SPECIFICALLY because emulating reality is so damned expensive you can only economically do it in small installments. you'd better make damn sure that's where they're looking and ONLY where they're looking. nobody can fucking afford to give a coat of paint over EVERYTHING.
1481518;1465826479;mircea_popescu;so, always go after the places where "nobody'd ever look because nothing could ever be found because nobody'd ever look". total snakecharm.
1481519;1465827062;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: good point!
1481520;1465827091;Framedragger;particularize and shine light upon the particular cracks of the delusional reality model
1481521;1465827114;*;Framedragger should get a blog for ranting
1481522;1465827160;mircea_popescu;can't hurt.
1481523;1465827373;Framedragger;re. hanno: oh yeah? i had thought he had had a point, re. those broken subkeys not being used anyway. but i guess the point is that phuctor found some *actually used* keys, etc.
1481524;1465827401;mircea_popescu;i couldn't give less of a shit about the disparate bits of reality he tried to fashion a disavowal out of.
1481525;1465827420;Framedragger;k
1481526;1465827429;mircea_popescu;that's how the trick works, "but look at the hat, look at the hat"
1481527;1465827490;mircea_popescu;yes, there's a hat. now, about that table it sits on...
1481528;1465827580;asciilifeform;actually instructive example, it is worth elaborating on:
1481529;1465827630;asciilifeform;hannobockism took the very effective angle of 'nobody used the keyz' but really to keep chumps' attention on what it means to 'use' a key
1481530;1465827668;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1481531;1465827668;asciilifeform;and especially the fact that diddled key can trivially end up used without the victim's awareness
1481532;1465827695;PeterL;how do you know nobody used the keys?
1481533;1465827710;mircea_popescu;yeah the numerous instances of "hey listen, your key being diddled IS NOT ABOUT YOU! you'd never fucking know!" managed to get ignored something fierce huh.
1481534;1465827712;asciilifeform;recall, the shitgnomatic unified front against phuctor was exemplified by peter 'this ain't my key and go back to sleep' h anvin.
1481535;1465827717;asciilifeform;aha.
1481536;1465827720;mircea_popescu;aha.
1481537;1465827722;mircea_popescu;PeterL you wouldn't.
1481538;1465827725;Framedragger;these diddled keys.. they can just be re-uploaded to sks keyservers all the time, no? maybe keyservers should have a phuctor-like policy of rejecting shitty keys?
1481539;1465827757;Framedragger;PeterL: gpg client should reject subkeys not signed by master key or somesuch, was the argument i think
1481540;1465827770;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it comes up occasionally, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475913 -- nothing happens
1481541;1465827770;a111;Logged on 2016-06-03 17:49 asciilifeform: http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/sks-devel/2015-05/msg00022.html << hilarious related thread from last year
1481542;1465827785;asciilifeform;the sks folk are dead set in favour of hosting random crapolade.
1481543;1465827811;mircea_popescu;i think it's more a case of "the last person who knew how any of this worked left a decade ago, we're just idea guys"
1481544;1465827814;Framedragger;right. that verification of self-signatures.. it is done by gpg clients tho, no?
1481545;1465827826;mircea_popescu;Framedragger famously unreliable, but yes, it ~is.
1481546;1465827889;mircea_popescu;anyway, lest the wrong impression forms - we don't have a good understanding of who did what to whom and why. it's not even clear we enumerated the classes of deeds that phuctor dredged up.
1481547;1465828066;Framedragger;sure.
1481548;1465828551;mircea_popescu;in other "repository of all human knowledge" news, i give you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakecharm
1481549;1465828637;Framedragger;"Complicating things is the fact that Danica is pregnant. Neither the serpiente nor the avians are crazy about the idea of a mixed-blood child taking the throne. A child of a cobra and another serpent is always a cobra, a child of a hawk and another avian is always a hawk." WELL BUT OBVIOUSLY
1481550;1465828639;Framedragger;lol
1481551;1465828677;mircea_popescu;chick's ~30, has been eking out a miserable existence in suburban mass writing one of the shitty books a year. and working ass off on "social media".
1481552;1465828684;mircea_popescu;living the dream, i guess.
1481553;1465828772;Framedragger;maybe it works for her, heh
1481554;1465828790;mircea_popescu;what else are her options ? too old to be "looking to be black owned".
1481555;1465829179;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, writing pulp crapolade beats the SHIT out of showing up to an office.
1481556;1465829195;asciilifeform;any office.
1481557;1465829204;mircea_popescu;at least if she went to an office there'd be the remote possibility of getting some.
1481558;1465829210;mircea_popescu;you ever saw "the pianist" incidentally ?
1481559;1465829226;asciilifeform;the ww2 one ?
1481560;1465829227;asciilifeform;nope
1481561;1465829274;mircea_popescu;nah, some recent atrocity. a very insufferable woman lives a "civilised" life with her... mother, and postures a lot at work. her unwind is to sniff used rags in porn coinoperated booths.
1481562;1465829291;asciilifeform;l0l!
1481563;1465829293;mircea_popescu;"the piano teacher", turns out.
1481564;1465829317;mircea_popescu;the film is bad, as a film. but for people entirely unwarare of what curse women are upon themselves in isolation... a decent primer i guess.
1481565;1465829523;mircea_popescu;but to make it short and sweet : if she were the sort of six-deviations talented woman that'd benefit from what you imagine is "not having to show up in an office", she'd pointedly not be writing the sort of crap.
1481566;1465829626;mircea_popescu;she isn't. she just hopes that 2007200820092020102011omgit'sbeenfiveyears!2012201320142015omfgwhere'sitallgone!2016 will be "the year of the hawk-cobra" or whatever the fuck. hey, it worked for that dumb broad, what's her name, that wrote those linkedin novels and sold them for 26 billion copies or what ? they even made a film about it, "whatsap!"
1481567;1465829677;mircea_popescu;maybe in 2017 people finally wake up to the realisation of how perfectly genre fiction at ~150 pages in paperback and of her exact vintage would fill the holes in their souls!
1481568;1465829773;mircea_popescu;(and for the ego - back in 2004 when i published asylum editor was like "isn't this a little short ?". apparently i was merely being pioneeric, the notion of "book" dropped half the pages past two decades, from 300something to 150ish.)
1481569;1465829863;mircea_popescu;(oh and one for the collectors, hey asciilifeform did you actually get chet to sign your copy ? iirc she signed less than half dozen all told.)
1481570;1465830369;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope - passed up this chance, left it at home. but iirc ben_vulpes had his.
1481571;1465830402;mircea_popescu;ah right.
1481572;1465830535;Framedragger;more "entrepreneur" awesomeness https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11893830
1481573;1465830550;Framedragger;suspect at least half of "startups" are like that
1481574;1465830648;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481565 << she writes the crapolade ~so as~ not to be confined in an office. just like folks will hide unsheathed knives up their arse, kill guards with bare teeth, whatever, to get out of the camp
1481575;1465830649;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 14:52 mircea_popescu: but to make it short and sweet : if she were the sort of six-deviations talented woman that'd benefit from what you imagine is "not having to show up in an office", she'd pointedly not be writing the sort of crap.
1481576;1465830691;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform men. you ever heard of women escape any sort of incarceration, that wasn't the owner coming to get the bitches back ?
1481577;1465830723;asciilifeform;nope
1481578;1465830726;mircea_popescu;so then.
1481579;1465830752;Framedragger;i don't know, i applaud her even what she writes is shit and even if her mind is shit, good for her, i think it's easy to sublimate jealousy that shit people can still function as "justified anger" or whatnot </armchair-mode>
1481580;1465830760;asciilifeform;dunno though, being an office inmate is such a clear-cut Bad Thing that all living things instinctively try to escape.
1481581;1465830762;Framedragger;*even if
1481582;1465830772;mircea_popescu;Framedragger "cto" best part. nigga, you might be the first CORPORATE OFFICER / mexican illegal combo in history.
1481583;1465830772;asciilifeform;like from forest fire.
1481584;1465830789;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah lol
1481585;1465830818;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i applaud her too, which is why her scrawny ineffectual efforts get a link. nevertheless, it can't be said she's effectual. she isn't.
1481586;1465831042;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-12#1481179 << flagged, but i got a handful leads as far as various work for food and lodgings places last weekend at four quarters
1481587;1465831042;a111;Logged on 2016-06-12 01:50 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell phf Apparently the motor commune still wants for mechanic https://stlouis.craigslist.org/lbg/5630646192.html
1481588;1465831048;mircea_popescu;$up asciilifeform
1481589;1465831059;deedbot;asciilifeform voiced for 30 minutes.
1481590;1465831064;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sure.
1481591;1465831084;mircea_popescu;phf you double as a car mechanic ?
1481592;1465831139;asciilifeform;can somebody explain to me why deedbot auth is slower than microshit win98 booting up ?
1481593;1465831189;mircea_popescu;cuz it's in lisp.
1481594;1465831194;asciilifeform;lolsp
1481595;1465831198;Framedragger;i wanted to say the same, and then run from asciilifeform
1481596;1465831200;asciilifeform;must be in elisp
1481597;1465831207;asciilifeform;or clojure.
1481598;1465831213;mircea_popescu;you can't say lisp without S!
1481599;1465831227;Framedragger;cue clojure compile times..... cue timeout
1481600;1465831231;mircea_popescu;that's why real men code in c-fuss-fuss. F is for fast!
1481601;1465831244;asciilifeform;true snob only writes in snobol.
1481602;1465831265;mircea_popescu;well, snob and pairs of girls that like passing cum.
1481603;1465831292;Framedragger;-[--->+<]>-------.-[--->+<]>.+++++.[---->+<]>+++.-[--->++<]>--.-------.--[--->+<]>---.--------------.-.++++++++++++.+++.-------------.--[--->+<]>-.+[->+++<]>++.+++++++++.+.++++++.++[->+++<]>++.+.----[->+++<]>.------------.[->+++<]>+.+++++++++++.------.[--->+<]>-.
1481604;1465831312;asciilifeform;Framedragger: brainfuck quine ?
1481605;1465831326;Framedragger;not quine, unfortunately
1481606;1465831333;Framedragger;https://sange.fi/esoteric/brainfuck/impl/interp/i.html
1481607;1465831368;Framedragger;look at dem loops, to set up ascii chars and then only work on offsets
1481608;1465831599;trinque;asciilifeform: yeah yeah I'm moving it to a new box already
1481609;1465831725;trinque;Framedragger: clojure is java wearing a lisp hairshirt
1481610;1465831757;trinque;the box is slow because there's this astonishingly IO intensive shitty key-value store called bitcoin running on it :D
1481611;1465831785;mircea_popescu;lies, moore's law would allow larger blocks.
1481612;1465831793;asciilifeform;trinque: solution is called renice
1481613;1465831803;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'd be surprised.
1481614;1465831819;trinque;asciilifeform: isn't there an ionice or something
1481615;1465831832;trinque;plenty of CPU
1481616;1465831836;mircea_popescu;incidentalyl, someone bored enough should do a survey of nice on extant linux decayed forms. it'd be a pretty good way to diagnose the utter ruin of the ecosystem.
1481617;1465831859;PeterL;trinque ^ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481438 ?
1481618;1465831859;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 12:57 PeterL: how to update to new key with deedbot?
1481619;1465831904;asciilifeform;trinque: ionice, aha, since kernel 2.6
1481620;1465831920;trinque;PeterL: I've yet to implement $changekey so sign me a message proving ownership of both keys indicating which you want to use and I'll do it
1481621;1465831934;phf;mircea_popescu: i grew up working on cars with my grandfather, was the main dacha activity, i figured what quality of car mechanic would people advertising food&loding on craigslist really need?
1481622;1465831953;mircea_popescu;ha. adventuresome!
1481623;1465831979;mircea_popescu;of course engines moved from carbureted to injected in the interval, but then again...
1481624;1465832299;phf;i'll just work it out from first principles :D as long as they don't kick me out in horror in the first few hours, i'd be fine
1481625;1465832321;mircea_popescu;careful with the johnson rod though.
1481626;1465832463;phf;that's where being foreigner helps, you call that thing "johnson rod" in russian we call it бачок для тормозной жидкости
1481627;1465832471;asciilifeform;l0l
1481628;1465832498;mircea_popescu;they have blinker fluid in english too.
1481629;1465832591;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, the argentines are THE WORST drivers. horribad. you know how latinos in the civilised world have a bad reputation ? well... im sure argentina is the reason for it. they signal ~1/3 of the time, you gotta guess they intend to turn or not - AND they have no conception of blinker fluid or any other way means or conceptual approach for the problem. it's just not fucking there. idjits.)
1481630;1465832631;mircea_popescu;it is so bad traffic here is 90% due to the people being unable to merge. and they're unable to merge because a) they don't signal and b) they're the sort of idiots that don't signal. and yet...
1481631;1465832648;mircea_popescu;nope, need has created to innovation to date. they'll sit and rot and think what they do is driving.
1481632;1465832703;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ever drove around anywhere in usa ?
1481633;1465832706;asciilifeform;we have these here.
1481634;1465832716;mircea_popescu;yeah. most likely argentine immigrants.
1481635;1465832737;asciilifeform;nah.
1481636;1465832737;mircea_popescu;these people should be excommunicated from the planet just for the driving.
1481637;1465832762;mircea_popescu;fucking crazed egyptians in cairo did a better job, and their idea of traffic lights was tooting the horn.
1481638;1465832811;Framedragger;hey i remember cairo; ok so it's worth than cairo; lolol.
1481639;1465832811;Framedragger;> yeah. most likely argentine immigrants.
1481640;1465832811;Framedragger;hahah
1481641;1465832883;trinque;houstonians never signal lane changes, and they do them at 100mph and 3 at a time
1481642;1465832885;mircea_popescu;Framedragger yeah. the difference being that while i wouldn't try to drive in cairo without getting a degree in it first, at least THEY manage to move things reasonably. here, i wouldn't drive unless i had an open license to kill and plentiful ammo, AND they have more traffic, fewer driven miles and more roads than anywhere in the world.
1481643;1465832888;trinque;keeps you awake on the highway
1481644;1465832943;mircea_popescu;trinque these people don't signal turning, forget lane change. at least on the highway there's some basis to guess on the basis of impulse and make. but in the city ?
1481645;1465832952;Framedragger;wow
1481646;1465832980;Framedragger;i mean, i guess it's a system for catalysed darwinian selection?..
1481647;1465832985;Framedragger;omg, sounds insane, how do they survive
1481648;1465832987;mircea_popescu;there is literally no way to know whether he goes straight or right until he does it. and they're so horrible they don't drive straight anyway. so...
1481649;1465832994;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, ever been in traffic in Naples? quite curious what you'd make of it
1481650;1465832996;mircea_popescu;Framedragger by being slow and stupid.
1481651;1465833007;mircea_popescu;diametric yeah, ok, it's about italian level of idiocy.
1481652;1465833009;Framedragger;amazing
1481653;1465833020;mircea_popescu;as most stupid shit in this country. or, come to think about it, ther world over.
1481654;1465833029;*;mircea_popescu adds "italians"  to the list of excommunicables.
1481655;1465833033;diana_coman;ahahaha
1481656;1465833041;mircea_popescu;to think the nazis allied with them and wanted to burn the fucking gypos.
1481657;1465833047;mircea_popescu;i'd have gone the other way around. burn the italians.
1481658;1465833103;diana_coman;they make excellent pizza in the south...
1481659;1465833139;diana_coman;and excellent cars in the North really - or at any rate they used to make
1481660;1465833393;phf;asciilifeform: https://github.com/wolfgangj/bone-lisp another one of them small lisps, already with a bunch of idiosyncratic decisions, but notable for using regions for memory management (and hence immutable).
1481661;1465833469;mircea_popescu;diana_coman they also make excellent women in the south, but...
1481662;1465833488;mircea_popescu;sigh. see, this is the problem with trying to be a mad dictator in a rational way. everyone spokes your wheels!
1481663;1465833558;diana_coman;heh; truth be told men in the south were exactly like fat, ugly spiders: round, small, hairy and basically creeping around the corners at any given time
1481664;1465833563;diana_coman;could do without
1481665;1465833583;mircea_popescu;that's a peculiarly astute view of sicily.
1481666;1465833610;mircea_popescu;diametric you know that excellent mastroianni scene where the fatties eat up palermo ?
1481667;1465833621;mircea_popescu;darn i keep highlighting poor diametric when i want to say diana_coman
1481668;1465833655;diana_coman;hm, I don't think I know it
1481669;1465833678;phf;and here i thought diametric was somehow a particularly astute connoisseur of italian cinema
1481670;1465833681;mircea_popescu;ima fish it out, off to town nao
1481671;1465834017;asciilifeform;phf: so what is this, NEVER deallocates ?
1481672;1465834146;phf;asciilifeform: deallocates when you unroll frames, and i guess there are techniques to figure out how up the frame an object has moved from its allocation point
1481673;1465834209;asciilifeform;ick
1481674;1465834238;asciilifeform;who the fuck thought this was good idea, and why.
1481675;1465834257;phf;i heard of technique in a context of Abuse video game, where all the objects that were allocated during calculations for a single screen frame would be abandoned on next frame, which makes sense in this one particular case. i think maybe Seaside had support for that per-request. i guess people came up with formal ways of doing it
1481676;1465834291;asciilifeform;sounds about as 'clever' as my 'shiva' thing nuking its entire guts when you disconnect the term.
1481677;1465834294;phf;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region-based_memory_management
1481678;1465834501;phf;i'm not sure how different it is from lifetime analysis (i mean when done automatically), and i can imagine a bunch of ways in which objects will still leak into some kind of global reclamation area
1481679;1465834671;phf;and this one is for BingoBoingo http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=58a_1464890232
1481680;1465834872;asciilifeform;http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68b_1437283356 << moar lulz from same rag
1481681;1465834886;asciilifeform;'Police claim the man refused to drop a pocket knife. In the video, the officer appears to kick something away from the man’s body, although no object can be readily seen. In typical police fashion, officers can be seen handcuffing the victims body as he lay in a pool of blood.'
1481682;1465835086;asciilifeform;;;ticker
1481683;1465835087;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 693.87, Best ask: 694.6799999999999, Bid-ask spread: 0.81000, Last trade: 694.6799999999999, 24 hour volume: 145208.19495727, 24 hour low: 635.1, 24 hour high: 719.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1481684;1465835124;asciilifeform;( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-18#1409628 )
1481685;1465835124;a111;Logged on 2016-02-18 16:46 asciilifeform has 2 lamps on his dial: 'oh noez, my coinz are worthless' and 'suxx, i'll never afford any moar'
1481686;1465835347;asciilifeform;phf: the approach illustrated in 'bone lisp' is ~equivalent to an ordinary scheme with strictly limited lifespan of whole session.
1481687;1465835363;asciilifeform;disposable, if you will.
1481688;1465835467;phf;it's the ml crowd, they still manage to dazzle me with their trinkets. and then i think about it for 5 minutes and go "waitaminute"
1481689;1465835527;asciilifeform;aha.
1481690;1465835554;asciilifeform;'the devil's gold -- turns to leaves.'
1481691;1465836558;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The Future of Finance is Now, translated. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/13/the-future-of-finance-is-now-translated/
1481692;1465840646;Framedragger;..sooo, ~21.1M ssh hosts with port 22 open in ipv4 space. i expected more, but a time will come for a re-scan, and i finally got around to 'streamlining' the process, and vc's idontcareaboutscans policy helped here, so re-scan will be a piece of cake.
1481693;1465840646;Framedragger;this excludes most hetzner ip ranges because hetzner triggers a fuckload of abuse complaints. but i'll soon scan *only them* (which will anger them, and let the hate fiercely flow into /dev/null), which will a buncha hosts to that 21.1M i expect.
1481694;1465840684;Framedragger;trololololo.
1481695;1465840720;Framedragger;*add
1481696;1465840749;Framedragger;also, a bunch of /8 and /16s are empty. like 11.0.0.0/8 (used by whom? DoD of course) - these cunts
1481697;1465840774;Framedragger;this info will be crystallized and presented in a clear manner, eventually, of course!
1481698;1465842111;Framedragger;* 20.8M of 22-port-open ssh servers after deduplication
1481699;1465850712;shinohai;http://gizmodo.com/a-clip-on-motorized-cat-tail-is-your-first-step-to-beco-1781909950    <<< you gonna take the leap BingoBoingo ?
1481700;1465851073;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu if you're fond of watching atlantises sink, https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7738104.html
1481701;1465851073;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481702;1465851352;trinque;"why does openbsd use CVS? CVS sucks!11!"
1481703;1465851360;trinque;this.
1481704;1465851410;phf;asciilifeform: i was just about to work a bit on my de-poettterrring-ed gentoo laptop. did they break everything? 
1481705;1465851821;mircea_popescu;diana_coman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0eApWMb92E <<< apparently it was napoli.
1481706;1465852114;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr gentoo was never much more than a derpy hipsterism in my book.
1481707;1465852315;diana_coman;ha, quite; didn't know it though, thanks
1481708;1465852328;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481698 << moving right along huh.
1481709;1465852328;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 18:21 Framedragger: * 20.8M of 22-port-open ssh servers after deduplication
1481710;1465852362;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i'm pretty much convinced by now that what the ro crowds actually meant in 1989 by "wanting western democracy" was "we want italian tv"
1481711;1465852661;diana_coman;lol, I don't think they actually had any idea what they wanted (or meant for that matter)
1481712;1465852818;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was the 1 quasi-working linux distro, other than 'make it all by hand'
1481713;1465852833;asciilifeform;i don't regard idiocies where you are expected to download binaries as 'linux.'
1481714;1465852835;asciilifeform;NEVER did.
1481715;1465853103;asciilifeform;phf: thread circa 2015. but if you have any boxes you haven't touched for >1y, you will have problem.
1481716;1465854528;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1481717;1465854532;gribble;Current Blocks: 416177 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 1134 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 10 minutes, and 11 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1481718;1465854708;trinque;;;ticker
1481719;1465854709;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 705.79, Best ask: 705.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 705.79, 24 hour volume: 133673.4340709, 24 hour low: 656.3099999999999, 24 hour high: 719.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1481720;1465854717;trinque;heh, fun
1481721;1465855056;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu moar circus clowns: https://github.com/joshua-m-david/jerichoencryption << there is a pestilential profusion of these 'i'ma STROOOONG CRYYYPTO!!1111 IN NODEJS !111' out there.
1481722;1465855056;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481723;1465855113;mircea_popescu;le sigh.
1481724;1465855484;mircea_popescu;btw, the dude that impregnated four "corrections officers" while in jail ? terrence white, at the time boss of "black guerilla family" which apparently is a sort of black crips/mob device
1481725;1465855526;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise ?
1481726;1465855540;mircea_popescu;merely shows it to be no accident.
1481727;1465855550;asciilifeform;or did mircea_popescu previously think that it had been a defrocked accountant imprisoned for 40 unpad parking tickets.
1481728;1465855556;asciilifeform;*unpaid
1481729;1465855578;mircea_popescu;i thought nothing in particular tbh
1481730;1465855588;mircea_popescu;maybe he was really good with the gab. it's been known to happen.
1481731;1465855619;asciilifeform;there was once a 'crime museum' in washington, with, e.g., famous electric chairs, bonnie & clyde's car, etc.
1481732;1465855637;asciilifeform;it had some (i forget who) 'godfather' type's prison cell, re-created
1481733;1465855651;asciilifeform;was spiffier than any office or living room i've ever personally stuck my snout into
1481734;1465855663;asciilifeform;gold-plated brass everything, telephones, the whole orchestra.
1481735;1465855668;asciilifeform;humidor.
1481736;1465855683;mircea_popescu;eh that stuff'll kill ya.
1481737;1465855987;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=526 << this is actually a surprising cogent summary, esp considering the source. i wonder who he's stolen from.
1481738;1465856062;asciilifeform;'I give you Count Okuma of the Tokyo Hochi, “…a race of thieves with the hearts of rabbits. America to any warrior race, is not as a foe, but as an immense melon, ripe for the cutting…North America alone will support a billion people; that billion shall be Japanese with their slaves. Not arid Asia, not worn out Europe (which, with its peculiar and quaint relics and customs, should in the interest of history and culture, be in a
1481739;1465856062;asciilifeform;ny case preserved), nor yet tropical Africa, is fit for our people. But North America, that continent so succulently green, fresh, and unsullied—except for the few chattering mongrel Yankees…”' << win.
1481740;1465856135;mircea_popescu;just how fast do you read.
1481741;1465856143;asciilifeform;depends.
1481742;1465856516;mircea_popescu;anyway. vampirism and the interest thereof has traditionally been a gay outlet ; not peculiarly a race outlet. the race outlet (in the us, which is ~the only place that cares) has traditionally been "aliens", which are almost always niggers.
1481743;1465856547;mircea_popescu;which is why they keep "stealing our wiminz", are all "half demon half child", and always run by a brood mother which sprouts indistinct babies without a father.
1481744;1465856600;mircea_popescu;maybe 3 in a hundred hollywood movies about "Science fiction" are anything even vaguely out of the mold of thinly veiled nigger wank.
1481745;1465856659;mircea_popescu;otherwise, the observation that pearl harbour was just exactly as much a dog and pony show of "no one could have foreseen" as the 9/11 stuff is important.
1481746;1465856681;asciilifeform;'kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it' (tm) (r)
1481747;1465856698;mircea_popescu;not exactly clear who was kicking japan.
1481748;1465856702;asciilifeform;usg.
1481749;1465856710;asciilifeform;petroembargo.
1481750;1465856723;asciilifeform;and diddling in china, ~exactly like in modern ua
1481751;1465856724;mircea_popescu;and how ? for one thing, "usg" scarcely mattered at the time. for the other, thebrits denied the russians their ports.
1481752;1465856733;mircea_popescu;i dun see the historical backing for your reading.
1481753;1465856787;mircea_popescu;lest the reader be confused, let it be pointed out that pre ww1, the united states carried about as much credit in europe (aka, the world) as argentina does today. hardly anyone gave a shit about them, and the us president visiting couldn't get a hotel room on credit.
1481754;1465856825;asciilifeform;http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930 << one overview.
1481755;1465856832;asciilifeform;'Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this
1481756;1465856832;asciilifeform;authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus b
1481757;1465856832;asciilifeform;ringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.'
1481758;1465856867;mircea_popescu;in... 41 ?!
1481759;1465856906;asciilifeform;war wasn't declared until dec. 7, 41.
1481760;1465856914;mircea_popescu;for some reason i was discussing more like 1900.
1481761;1465856933;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu did say 'pearl harbour' no ?
1481762;1465856948;mircea_popescu;anyway, the ww2 hostilities were a mutually ratcheting of various acts, i don't see the argument. if they sold to japan it would have been === selling to germany.
1481763;1465856970;asciilifeform;with which there was no war yet.
1481764;1465856978;mircea_popescu;in 41 ?
1481765;1465856982;asciilifeform;aha.
1481766;1465856988;asciilifeform;usa was not in the war!1111
1481767;1465856993;mircea_popescu;as in what, declared ?
1481768;1465856994;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1481769;1465857030;asciilifeform;and various american industrialists were busy as bees selling to germany.
1481770;1465857049;asciilifeform;everything from scrap iron, to calculating machinez, to fischer-tropsch process.
1481771;1465857074;mircea_popescu;complicated.
1481772;1465857247;mircea_popescu;“The Chinese coolie is the ideal industrial machine, the perfect human ox. He will transform less food into more work, with less administrative friction, than any other creature...Also, they cost nothing but money.” << from what i understand this is getting fixed these days.
1481773;1465857301;asciilifeform;http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/isis-unveiled-us-kill-list-last-week-including-600-florida-residents << moar lulzies.
1481774;1465857494;mircea_popescu; what is this, people sick of paying for retirement homes fantasizing ?
1481775;1465857753;asciilifeform;nfi.
1481776;1465858161;BingoBoingo;speaking of coolies mod6, asciilifeform et al: anyone ever use a hexbit drill chuck to make holes using an impact driver?
1481777;1465858170;BingoBoingo;coolies of course being the power tools
1481778;1465858190;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: sure.
1481779;1465858230;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Satisfactory performance? Is drilling with impact driver better than driving with drill?
1481780;1465858242;asciilifeform;in what ?
1481781;1465858260;BingoBoingo;wood, plastic, zamac
1481782;1465858270;asciilifeform;wtf would you impact driver wood or plastic.
1481783;1465858275;mircea_popescu;^
1481784;1465858287;BingoBoingo;To secure lag bolts!
1481785;1465858291;mircea_popescu;the thing is ~for concrete, wtf are you doing.
1481786;1465858294;asciilifeform;^
1481787;1465858302;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: No that is a hammer drill
1481788;1465858305;asciilifeform;why not, in same spirit, dynamite.
1481789;1465858312;mircea_popescu;also don't use common dril bits on metal you'll fuck everything up. get special.
1481790;1465858333;BingoBoingo;$google "impact driver" vs "hammer drill"
1481791;1465858340;mircea_popescu;metal is ductile, unlike all other materials (wood, concrete, etc) which are friable.
1481792;1465858351;deedbot;http://www.thewoodwhisperer.com/articles/drills-vs-hammer-drills-vs-impact-drivers/ << Drills vs Hammer Drills vs Impact Drivers - The Wood Whisperer | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWmZTHD2tFw << Drill vs Impact Driver vs Impact Wrench vs Hammerdrill - YouTube | http://www.ebay.com/gds/Impact-Driver-vs-Hammer-Drills-/10000000177630394/g.html << Impact Driver vs. Hammer Drills | eBay
1481793;1465858388;BingoBoingo;Anyways chuck on old drill no longer retains bits and fucking retaining screw is stuck with loctite from the factory
1481794;1465858396;mircea_popescu;lol!
1481795;1465858400;mircea_popescu;talk of fucking empires.
1481796;1465858414;asciilifeform;for fucks sake BingoBoingo get a working drill.
1481797;1465858427;BingoBoingo;Anyways hammer drill does forward pushing. Impact driver does torque and more torque.
1481798;1465858434;mircea_popescu;how to kill yourself, volume 44 : save on drills.
1481799;1465858504;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I *had* a working drill. Can still have working drill If I want to gamble on sovent to beat this flavor of loctite without also disolving plastic.
1481800;1465858520;BingoBoingo;Or I guess solving plastic is the bigger threat
1481801;1465859664;*;BingoBoingo wishes someone would make a drill with a nice 2-cyle motor instead of this lithium ion bullshit.
1481802;1465859677;asciilifeform;ugh
1481803;1465859692;asciilifeform;just shoot the hole, it is moar humane.
1481804;1465859763;BingoBoingo;That seems like a presumptuous suggestion without knowing what the hole is for...
1481805;1465859828;shinohai;Perhaps glory hole?
1481806;1465859842;BingoBoingo;Nah broom sitting hole
1481807;1465860451;mod6;<+BingoBoingo> speaking of coolies mod6, asciilifeform et al: anyone ever use a hexbit drill chuck to make holes using an impact driver? << not sure if I've ever done that specifically. done a lot of impact/air-ratchet wrench work on cars.  tons of misc shit with drills.
1481808;1465860869;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> oh and mod6 - suppose i want to add the observation that really, the wallet functionality and the "caching transactions" functionality should be separated in bitcoin - there's no conceivable reason to store the latter in the former for instance. how would i go about adding this to the bitcoin tickets ? ask you ? do something myslef ? << you certainly can feel free to help me round out the t
1481809;1465860875;mod6;rb ticket list -- just use add/edit/remove as needed.
1481810;1465860917;mod6;If I were to do it, i might just add a note in ther ethat says "wallet functionality and ``caching transactions'' need to be perm. separated."
1481811;1465860951;mod6;%p trb 30
1481812;1465860956;tb0t;Project: trb, ID: 30, Type: I, Subject: Investigate a new design for the Wallet, Antecedents: , Notes: An investigation must be conducted to create a specification for a reimplemented wallet.  The outcome of this will drive ticket 29.
1481813;1465860979;mod6;Probably would just tack it on the notes here.  Sound ok?
1481814;1465861015;mod6;and while I'm at it here... I have been considering schemes for doing longer notes.  will keep working on that.
1481815;1465861029;mod6;meanwhile, I've created a v-genesis.vpatch
1481816;1465861086;mod6;and while using V, can use it to press out a new V.  that part is happy enough.  but there is a new feature that needs to be implemented for V: The ability to have separate projects.
1481817;1465861115;mod6;which it kinda does -- but V, in its current form, expects all vpatches and seals to be in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
1481818;1465861157;mod6;and since now we have; trb, t, v, ... and many others probably forthcoming, one should need to specify what they want to pull down locally.
1481819;1465861177;mod6;so it would be something like:  /v/, /trb/, /t/, /gossipd/ or whatever.
1481820;1465861193;mod6;I haven't started work in that direction yet, just wanted to bring it up.
1481821;1465861377;mod6;What does this mean for us: It means that I need to implement the ability to grab named projects from the mirror.  This will require a new version of V (99994), updating documentation et. al.
1481822;1465861435;mod6;Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror.  All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory as one would expect.
1481823;1465861482;mod6;Which would be fine, but seems like I should just wait until after 99994, then one can grab V, and use V to do V things.  It's a mind bender. :]
1481824;1465861562;mod6;get a load of this: http://dpaste.com/1T5SZCA.txt
1481825;1465861611;mircea_popescu;mod6 sounds ok. i'm just trying to figure out how to best employ your power wrench is all :)
1481826;1465861639;mod6;Cool.
1481827;1465861642;mircea_popescu;good point re... v localization lol
1481828;1465861653;mircea_popescu;ideally : items should live in a dir = the genesis hash.
1481829;1465861677;mircea_popescu;none of this "trb". just make a dir like /7ad78d387187350 or w/e
1481830;1465861689;mod6;ok. i kinda like that.
1481831;1465861689;mircea_popescu;~that~ is the only correct representation of what's in there anyway
1481832;1465861704;mircea_popescu;and there's symlinks if anyone wants to alias.
1481833;1465861731;mircea_popescu;well, on sane systems there's simlinks at least.
1481834;1465861736;mod6;yeah, i might need to alias as 7ad78d38... might get unwieldy for users.
1481835;1465861755;mod6;but sure, makes some sense.
1481836;1465861804;mircea_popescu;so you cd trb and it takes you to it.
1481837;1465861807;mircea_popescu;or w/e.
1481838;1465861873;mod6;yeah, i'll have to work out something with that.  i think on the server side, the hash value as dir name is a nice touch
1481839;1465861882;mod6;cause that's really what we care about.
1481840;1465861894;mircea_popescu;aha
1481841;1465861911;mod6;%pc
1481842;1465861931;tb0t;Ticket Type Codes: C => CHANGE | D => DEFECT | F => FEATURE | I => INVESTIGATE | R => REFERENCE | S => SAGA | T => TASK | X => DOCUMENT
1481843;1465862013;mod6;%a v S "Release V 99994" "Publish new version of V [99994]."
1481844;1465862094;mod6;%a v X "Update V Documentation" "Update V documentation for 99994 release."
1481845;1465862142;mod6;%a v T "Update Tests" "Update V cucumber tests for 99994 with specific testing around separate projects."
1481846;1465862233;mod6;%a v T "Update V" "Implement ability for V to pull separate projects from the mirror based on hash (or possible alias)."
1481847;1465862354;mod6;%a v T "Publish V-Genesis" "Publish V-Genesis post 99994 release." 1
1481848;1465862413;mod6;%e v 1 S "Release V 99994" "Publish new version of V [99994]." 2,3
1481849;1465862435;mod6;%e v 2 X "Update V Documentation" "Update V documentation for 99994 release." 4
1481850;1465862448;shinohai;^ kewl
1481851;1465862449;mod6;%e v 3 T "Update Tests" "Update V cucumber tests for 99994 with specific testing around separate projects." 4
1481852;1465862698;mod6;we'll see if i did that all backwards lol.
1481853;1465862712;mod6;anyway, the good news is; its not chiseled into stone.
1481854;1465862713;mod6;can edit.
1481855;1465862862;mircea_popescu;:p
1481856;1465862932;mod6;%a t S "Update tb0t with Long Notes" "After the implementation of the Long Notes feature, roll out new version of tb0t."
1481857;1465862986;mod6;%e t 1 S "Update tb0t with Long Notes" "After the implementation of the Long Notes feature, roll out new version of tb0t." 1
1481858;1465862990;mod6;derp
1481859;1465862994;mod6;%e t 1 S "Update tb0t with Long Notes" "After the implementation of the Long Notes feature, roll out new version of tb0t." 2
1481860;1465863003;mod6;%a t F "Add Long Notes Feature" "Implement functionality so that users of T can create notes longer than 300 chars if necessary."
1481861;1465863039;mod6;omg we've got projects and verk
1481862;1465863133;mircea_popescu;>D
1481863;1465863562;mod6;ah cool, my graph did turn out right.  lol. "i can use my own thing!"
1481864;1465863573;*;mod6 ^5's himself
1481865;1465863691;shinohai;:D
1481866;1465864601;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> you can't say lisp without S! << heheh. "lithp"
1481867;1465864662;mircea_popescu;:d
1481868;1465864682;mod6;arg. what a long day. can't believe it's already the thirteenth
1481869;1465865241;mircea_popescu;ha!
1481870;1465865328;mircea_popescu;hey asciilifeform got a link to where you made the point in the log that most of what sane people do consists of cleaving the practical from the metaphysical or such ?
1481871;1465865350;mircea_popescu;i recall the word cleave being used but teh search is unhelpful
1481872;1465865803;shinohai;http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/world/europe/france-stabbing-police-officer-magnanville.html   <<< Anarchy!
1481873;1465865941;trinque;when you sit down to take a shit, but there's no paper, that's ISIS!
1481874;1465865963;shinohai;lol
1481875;1465867562;deedbot;[Qntra] Walgreens Finally Cuts Ties With Theranos - http://qntra.net/2016/06/walgreens-finally-cuts-ties-with-theranos/
1481876;1465867664;BingoBoingo;^ for all your daily dose of valuation lols
1481877;1465868016;deedbot;[Trilema] Republican Thesaurus with Vocabulary and Dictionary! - http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/
1481878;1465868037;mircea_popescu;^ if anyone has suggestions...
1481879;1465868307;phf;BingoBoingo: i think there are cases where impact driver applies, like if your bit gets stuck in metal, and you want to power through it, but like others said, don't drill metal with general bits. i've used impact driver on large wood builds and it's a joy to use, the torgue makes for a very rapid but controlled coupling. i think i might've grabbed one to do drilling in a pinch, but i wouldn't say i noticed much difference one way or
1481880;1465868307;phf;another. it's definitely harder to make a precise hole with an impact driver too.
1481881;1465868345;BingoBoingo;Aha ty phf
1481882;1465868579;phf;basically that rapid torgue will help where you need torgue (like with a stuck bit), but hinder where you need precision, like if the end started running you'll scrape whatever
1481883;1465868718;BingoBoingo;ic
1481884;1465868724;ben_vulpes;do not impact driver your destructive fasteners.
1481885;1465868743;BingoBoingo;Seriously though who the fuck decided to use loctite to secure a wear item
1481886;1465868758;phf;hehe
1481887;1465868793;ben_vulpes;it is perhaps forgivable if you Swear to God to not back the lag bolt out and ever use the hole for anything ever again, but that is straight up dangerous because you cannot make guarantees about who will do what with your holes out of your sight.
1481888;1465868845;mircea_popescu;that's girl talk.
1481889;1465868884;ben_vulpes;useful when you have a nut on the far side. the hammer helps to overcome static friction on the bolt/nut planes, thereby letting you twist the bolt a little further.
1481890;1465868893;ben_vulpes;kinda like the "don't break and turn" at the same time mantra.
1481891;1465868908;ben_vulpes;vibration drops your axial friction, and to a degree your planar friction.
1481892;1465868932;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: perhaps, but my pyres held numerous people and were assemblableable by noobs on drugs with a minimum of oversight.
1481893;1465868953;mircea_popescu;assemblableable holy shit.
1481894;1465868983;ben_vulpes;one does not haul a thing to the playa unfurled.
1481895;1465868993;phf;ben_vulpes: you cannot make guarantees about who will do what with your holes? how so? you mean for long term construction?
1481896;1465869009;ben_vulpes;or perhaps some do, i never got to party with the 3lite sillicon valley crowd
1481897;1465869027;ben_vulpes;phf: naw i mean like overtorquing and wallowing out a destructive fastener hole.
1481898;1465869053;phf;pfft put a second bolt next to first one :D
1481899;1465869087;ben_vulpes;the design was 3 bolts through 3 beams at each intersection point
1481900;1465869114;trinque;assemblableable << lost all composure right hnnyah
1481901;1465869143;mircea_popescu;get the girls all drugged up, make them pronounce "assemblableable" evening's entertainment right there!
1481902;1465869223;ben_vulpes;i'm trying to dig up the original source of this design and completely failing
1481903;1465869227;ben_vulpes;i swear i didn't invent this one!
1481904;1465869233;ben_vulpes;but it is rigid as *fuck*
1481905;1465869238;ben_vulpes;each beam has 2 bolts through it
1481906;1465869251;ben_vulpes;at right angles
1481907;1465869321;mircea_popescu;basic mortise and tenon neh ?
1481908;1465869348;ben_vulpes;mnah, mortise and tenon has the beam itself shaped into tongues and grooves to sit into itself
1481909;1465869356;mircea_popescu;and then bolted.
1481910;1465869361;ben_vulpes;pff if you're a girl
1481911;1465869371;mircea_popescu;...
1481912;1465869383;mircea_popescu;what else do you bolt, the bare beam for ornamentation ?
1481913;1465869388;phf;well, since it sounds like we're both talking from burn build experience, some people get impact drills and some don't. if i overtorque i just put a second one next to it. it's not pretty, but it ensures that bunch of drugged out hippies can do somersaults on the thing
1481914;1465869441;phf;but ultimately cuts my build time. there's only so many days you can spend building a wood structure in 50 degree direct sun desert hit
1481915;1465869445;phf;*heat
1481916;1465869453;ben_vulpes;factors of safety come in many flavors
1481917;1465869480;ben_vulpes;i learned on the mutant vehicles before doing any pyreworks, so have a built-in preference for reusable steel stuffs
1481918;1465869516;ben_vulpes;not that any bolt is reusable after that kind of fire tho
1481919;1465869693;phf;i've been building with the same master carpenter so we usually start with a pile of wood, pile lag bolts and dodgy plans from various artist friends, so speed and malleability are prime considerations 
1481920;1465869733;phf;but yeah i don't imagine any of that stuff is reusable after a burn
1481921;1465869783;ben_vulpes;i think that's why i like working on the mvs
1481922;1465869791;ben_vulpes;that capital is recoupable yo
1481923;1465869840;phf;well, it helps that you're within driving distance from site
1481924;1465869971;ben_vulpes;35 ish hours?
1481925;1465869986;phf;also we are burning bmorg money anyway :D
1481926;1465869992;ben_vulpes;in big hulking slow gas guzzling rigs
1481927;1465870002;ben_vulpes;THE BESTEST RIGS
1481928;1465870023;ben_vulpes;phf: bless the borg
1481929;1465870033;phf;well, then i've no idea how you work on mvs unless you go to oakland for summer pre event or something
1481930;1465870055;ben_vulpes;one bus is fully collapsible
1481931;1465870074;ben_vulpes;just looks like a decommissioned avis bus with a platform on top during the rainy parts of the year
1481932;1465870084;phf;fits in carry on?
1481933;1465870092;ben_vulpes;no, one drives it down
1481934;1465870097;phf;:p
1481935;1465870119;ben_vulpes;oh it ain't 35 hours at all
1481936;1465870121;ben_vulpes;more like 10
1481937;1465870133;ben_vulpes;but i do like my summer lake stop
1481938;1465870282;phf;i take it with baby vulpes you're not coming this year?
1481939;1465870405;phf;in any case portland to nevada looks like a great drive, i think i'm going to do a purely recreational drive from colorado or wyoming
1481940;1465870413;phf;this year
1481941;1465870493;ben_vulpes;phf: i dun really 'burn' anymore
1481942;1465870528;phf;an upstanding, respectable gentleman :p
1481943;1465870545;ben_vulpes;i just lost patience with other people's bullshit
1481944;1465870583;ben_vulpes;my multiple-week-summer-vacation is now to a house on the sound side of vancouver island where we play music extremely loudly eat all sorts of interesting things and motor about on each others motorthingers
1481945;1465870631;ben_vulpes;is now in year 4 of celebrations
1481946;1465870636;ben_vulpes;hah perhaps five?!
1481947;1465870638;phf;i think that's a pretty common transition
1481948;1465870678;ben_vulpes;unfortunately, because it's in canada (and this is in no way different from the burn) there are no firearms to discharge irresponsibly
1481949;1465870758;BingoBoingo;http://epmonthly.com/article/effective-pain-control-%EF%BF%BCin-mass-casualty-events/
1481950;1465870903;phf;i rarely have an inclination to bring rifle to burn like events, and the kind of events that allow rifles are a bit too beer&jesus for my taste. or whatever jesus substitute they do dawkins science.
1481951;1465870981;phf;the cross over of young people who are into burn like events and young people who are into shootin'&dune buggies is particularly obnoxious in u.s.
1481952;1465871492;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-19#1377638 ?
1481953;1465871492;a111;Logged on 2016-01-19 21:55 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
1481954;1465871518;asciilifeform;(re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1481870 )
1481955;1465871518;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 00:48 mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform got a link to where you made the point in the log that most of what sane people do consists of cleaving the practical from the metaphysical or such ?
1481956;1465871667;asciilifeform;ah nm he found it.
1481957;1465872802;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481818 << nooooooooooo this is catastrophic mistake. rationally pulling down the deps for the thing you want is WHY WE HAVE V.
1481958;1465872802;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 23:39 mod6: and since now we have; trb, t, v, ... and many others probably forthcoming, one should need to specify what they want to pull down locally.
1481959;1465872802;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481960;1465872851;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 if i want trb i don't need to ask for '/trb/whateverthefuck-fixes-retardation.vpatch', asking for whateverthefuck-fixes-retardation.vpatch must suffice !
1481961;1465872851;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1481962;1465872890;asciilifeform;the segmentation into 'projects' is unnecessary carryover from old world.
1481963;1465872910;asciilifeform;if i want to use, e.g., shiva genesis, in some other tool, there is no reason to duplicate it
1481964;1465872917;asciilifeform;should be able to simply... use.
1481965;1465872923;asciilifeform;it is THERE, after all.
1481966;1465873089;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481822 << mircea_popescu made a very convincing argument in favour of ~not~ having a central repo of any kind, but rather - if anything - a streamlined mechanism for each lord (including mod6 & ben_vulpes under the banner of trb foundation) to put ~his own trb~ in usable format on ~his own~ www
1481967;1465873089;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror.  All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory as one would expect.
1481968;1465873105;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu do you happen to have the link handy to this thread ? )
1481969;1465873413;mircea_popescu;no ; but it stands to reason. he's not coming in conflict with that is he ?
1481970;1465873447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re cleaving thing : found it, credited it to you in latest trilema.
1481971;1465873453;asciilifeform;yeah saw
1481972;1465873463;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481822 << the 'canonical version' thing is what made my ears stand
1481973;1465873463;a111;Logged on 2016-06-13 23:43 mod6: Which also means, it almost makes no sense to even publish the v-genesis.vpatch that I currently have as it is no use to anyone if they can't grab a canonical version from the mirror.  All they'd be able to do is get it from the mailing list, with the seal, and drop it into their local working directory as one would expect.
1481974;1465873472;asciilifeform;it is the easy solution, but imho mistake.
1481975;1465873502;mircea_popescu;uh. i dun think what you're thinking about is being discussed.
1481976;1465873502;asciilifeform;if we duplicate shithub, it will be a loss.
1481977;1465873558;asciilifeform;re yesterday's lulz:
1481978;1465873560;asciilifeform;'When asked during the news conference if there was a chance that people might have been struck by friendly fire or in the crossfire, Chief Mina said: “I will say that is all part of the investigation. But I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, their backdrop was a concrete wall. And they were being fired upon, so that is all part of the investigation.”'
1481979;1465873569;asciilifeform;^ who speaks like this...?
1481980;1465873642;mircea_popescu;idiots ?
1481981;1465873678;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's go into detail here. so, the observation was, that as v is used in multiple projects, it makes no sense all the files be dumped in the same directory. this is sound. what directory shall they be dumped into ?
1481982;1465873685;mircea_popescu;logically, it can only be the name of the genesis block.
1481983;1465873685;asciilifeform;'Gov. Rick Scott of Florida said on Monday that he had asked Mr. Obama to issue a federal emergency declaration for his state. “Yesterday’s terror attack was an attack on our state and entire nation,” Mr. Scott said in a statement. “This morning, I have asked President Obama to declare an emergency so that the full resources of the federal government can be made available for all those impacted by this horrific massacre.” I
1481984;1465873685;asciilifeform;n a letter to Mr. Obama, Mr. Scott sought two forms of federal aid: “provision of health and safety measures,” as well as “management, control and reduction of immediate threats to public health and safety.” An emergency declaration would give Florida up to $5 million in initial federal funding.'
1481985;1465873690;mircea_popescu;because, as darn.
1481986;1465873718;mircea_popescu;because, for any given genesis block, the possible patches are universally available ; and the only way to obtain variant builds is through pruning the sigs.
1481987;1465873744;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "cannonical", but there is a "total patch universe".
1481988;1465873749;asciilifeform;correct
1481989;1465873754;mircea_popescu;alrighty.
1481990;1465873758;asciilifeform;though it is moar correct to think of one's 'patch light cone'
1481991;1465873800;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-08#1400017 << see also.
1481992;1465873800;a111;Logged on 2016-02-08 20:09 ascii_butugychag: i will half-seriously suggest that we refer to the ~set of patches, seals, keys~ that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime, as... his lightcone
1481993;1465873822;mircea_popescu;seriously, $5mn is what "an emergency" is worth ?
1481994;1465873835;mircea_popescu;costs more in traffic disruption.
1481995;1465873838;asciilifeform;hey that's lowball figure - a start.
1481996;1465873842;mircea_popescu;pfff.
1481997;1465874163;mod6;so i kinda see this in two ways. either i place v/t/whatever into /v/ and we have many multiple roots, inwhich case when you pull from the mirror you end up with the following dirs: bitcoin, t, v, whatever, ... or we can break this up into multiple projects.
1481998;1465874198;mircea_popescu;what do you mean multiple roots ?
1481999;1465874218;phf;something to keep in mind is that vpatch paths already include top level directory, like for example all the bitcoin ones are bitcoin/... so pressing them into an empty directory foo will result in foo/bitcoin/... tree
1482000;1465874244;mod6;and in this case, some of these things are somewhat related, and that might be ok.  but in the future, there might be things that are not so closely related. so might be trying to get out in front and make this able to handle multiple projects by seperating them out.
1482001;1465874271;mod6;mircea_popescu: i mean, if i have genesis.vpatch (trb) and v-genesis.vpatch in http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/
1482002;1465874280;mod6;these are multiple roots.
1482003;1465874286;mircea_popescu;mod6 the part where each press should end up collected in the /genesis-hash/ dir is settled, i thought ?
1482004;1465874323;mircea_popescu;phf the problem is there's no good way to extract that alias string. maybe yours is bitcoin and mine is Bit-coin
1482005;1465874353;mod6;one inflates the trb universe into bitcoin, the other into v.  i guess it doesn't have to be that way.. v-genesis could be added later on down the line as a leaf node.  but then it probably shouldn't be named "genesis" as that seems to break the convention.
1482006;1465874369;mircea_popescu;uh. what ?!
1482007;1465874370;mod6;mircea_popescu: well, i think it's a better, cleaner practice.
1482008;1465874391;mod6;just trying to address alf's messages.
1482009;1465874413;mircea_popescu;yeah but i'm totally lost as to what you're saying. looky : v works by starting with a genesis. correct ?
1482010;1465874427;mod6;yes
1482011;1465874443;mircea_popescu;now, why not put its work product in a directory named for the genesis employed ?
1482012;1465874450;mod6;agreed.
1482013;1465874459;mircea_popescu;that solves everything. and a different project will necessary have a diff genesis, so separated.
1482014;1465874530;mod6;im fine with this too -- alf sees this as a mistake.  so just thought I'd take a minute to address the alternative.  unless there is something that I haven't considered?  asciilifeform? suggestions?
1482015;1465874548;mircea_popescu;i didn't realise he saw this as a mistake either!
1482016;1465874550;asciilifeform;the alternative is to discard the notion of project re vpatches
1482017;1465874575;mod6;let's paint a picture.
1482018;1465874579;mircea_popescu;eh that'll produce windows.
1482019;1465874586;mircea_popescu;i dun wanna build windows.
1482020;1465874596;asciilifeform;i don't see how
1482021;1465874612;mod6;let's say that i have this project called `t'. and I'd like to make it readily availble and a genesis for this specific tool.
1482022;1465874620;mod6;where should this vpatch live?
1482023;1465874631;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because "everything together" monolith ?
1482024;1465874659;mircea_popescu;mod6 in /8a5485a/ provided "8a5485a" is the genesis' hash
1482025;1465874665;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't see why a genesis with hash H has to be 'meta'-limited to only be antecedentable as 'part of project P'
1482026;1465874670;asciilifeform;vs always and forever, wherever.
1482027;1465874679;asciilifeform;so long as i invoke H as precedent - it is valid.
1482028;1465874683;asciilifeform;regardless of where or why.
1482029;1465874688;asciilifeform;perhaps H is hash of 'hamlet'.
1482030;1465874698;asciilifeform;and i want to quote it twice. whatever.
1482031;1465874704;mircea_popescu;you'll have to rebase.
1482032;1465874710;mircea_popescu;also, you can't have two genesis-es.
1482033;1465874715;asciilifeform;sure as fuck you can
1482034;1465874718;asciilifeform;we ALREADY DO
1482035;1465874730;mircea_popescu;each creates its own universe.
1482036;1465874746;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental&search= << example.
1482037;1465874765;mircea_popescu;i see only one.
1482038;1465874779;asciilifeform;'each own universe' until i invoke both and suddenly - collapsed into one.
1482039;1465874781;mircea_popescu;there can only be one.
1482040;1465874798;mircea_popescu;you can't "invoke both". you mean de-genesis one ?
1482041;1465874806;asciilifeform;nope
1482042;1465874819;asciilifeform;until i create patch with G1 and G2 as antecedents.
1482043;1465874824;mircea_popescu;then you're not making any sense. there can be exactly 1 genesis for any press, build, v etc.
1482044;1465874826;asciilifeform;they are still genesi
1482045;1465874830;mircea_popescu;mno.
1482046;1465874831;asciilifeform;nooope.
1482047;1465874840;mircea_popescu;this is the definition of this term. "the first item".
1482048;1465874840;asciilifeform;a genesis is simply a vpatch with no antecedents.
1482049;1465874844;mircea_popescu;mno.
1482050;1465874872;mircea_popescu;"a genesis" makes no sense ; vpatches with no antecendents are merely that - vpatches with no antecedents. the genesis is the first item.
1482051;1465874883;asciilifeform;there is no such animal in v as it exists today.
1482052;1465874898;mircea_popescu;mmm
1482053;1465874901;asciilifeform;look at, e.g., shiva.
1482054;1465874908;asciilifeform;it has unmistakeably dual genesis.
1482055;1465874916;asciilifeform;trb-genesis, and shiva-genesis.
1482056;1465874922;asciilifeform;neither has antecedents.
1482057;1465874933;asciilifeform;each creates the respective foundational thing out of thin air.
1482058;1465874960;mircea_popescu;where is this item ?
1482059;1465874984;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_1_of_2 << the shiva genesis.
1482060;1465875000;mircea_popescu;yeah ; well iirc that was a broken early experimental attempt by you ?
1482061;1465875012;asciilifeform;it isn't broken in any sense
1482062;1465875012;mircea_popescu;part 2 of 2 behaves correctly in teh tree.
1482063;1465875019;asciilifeform;part 2 DOESN'T TOUCH part 1
1482064;1465875030;asciilifeform;so they are not v-relatives.
1482065;1465875031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in the sense that it fails to attack to the tree it is very broken. i have no idea why a v build would even include it.
1482066;1465875056;mircea_popescu;actually : a v build that, upon pressing genesis, includes 1-of-2 is ipso facto broken.
1482067;1465875065;asciilifeform;this is quite true.
1482068;1465875071;mircea_popescu;so then...
1482069;1465875077;asciilifeform;the only way to build shiva is by pressing dual-headed.
1482070;1465875090;mircea_popescu;there is not nor should there be such a rthing as "dual headed".
1482071;1465875126;mircea_popescu;and to my eyes this is an essential point of wtf we're even doing here in the first place.
1482072;1465875151;asciilifeform;actually i'm sold on this
1482073;1465875161;asciilifeform;since the last time we had this thread.
1482074;1465875200;asciilifeform;if anybody wants to roll shiva in as part of his lineage, i recommend linking up part1 and part2 as mircea_popescu describes here.
1482075;1465875222;asciilifeform;(simply add comment in the part1 items as part of part2 patch)
1482076;1465875235;mircea_popescu;word.
1482077;1465875267;BingoBoingo;;;goxlag
1482078;1465875267;mod6;so we are agreed then that things outside of the trb light-cone, get its own light-cone - a multiverse of things, yeah?
1482079;1465875268;gribble;Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
1482080;1465875290;asciilifeform;mod6: not the concept i had in mind.
1482081;1465875299;asciilifeform;'light cone' is simply ALL vpatches, by ANYONE, that you know about.
1482082;1465875322;asciilifeform;say it turns out that nsa was using v, and their patch leaks, even this is 'part of my lightcone'
1482083;1465875331;asciilifeform;in that i COULD use it (if i took enough dope)
1482084;1465875364;asciilifeform;this idea only ever could become actually important as time marches on and things are lost.
1482085;1465875364;mod6;don't add nsa's key to your wot, and you wont see that patch right?
1482086;1465875368;asciilifeform;aha.
1482087;1465875400;asciilifeform;the thing i was trying to invoke there was situation with, e.g., ancient greeks, who cite works that are no longer around.
1482088;1465875424;mod6;so we either have ~one~ universe, or there is >1
1482089;1465875471;asciilifeform;light cone is what you get when you find the intersection of one particular observer's notion of 'i can see WHOLE UNIVERSE!1111' with... reality.
1482090;1465875711;mod6;so what would your implementation look like here? a patch to a current leaf of the trb patches that inflates say t/t.pl from 'false' on the end of the trb 'light-code' ?
1482091;1465875735;mircea_popescu;mod6 each genesis carves it's own "universe", of possible patches. asciilifeform prefers to call this universe "light cone". it could perhaps be argued that the applicable patches as shaped by your trusted keys is more properly your light cone, though might as well call it "trust cone" and be done with it
1482092;1465875739;mod6;this would sit adjacent to the 'bitcoin' directory? (just trying to get a visual in my head here)
1482093;1465875756;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'trust cone' is subset of your light cone.
1482094;1465875770;asciilifeform;the latter is the union of all of your ~possible~ trustcones.
1482095;1465875797;mircea_popescu;works for me.
1482096;1465875813;asciilifeform;mod6: i am somewhat perplexed re what you are asking
1482097;1465875853;mod6;don't worry about that. paint me a picture on how you might go about the task - how and where does t.pl go? or v.pl ?
1482098;1465875857;mod6;or whatever.txt
1482099;1465875961;asciilifeform;well, in my original v, ./v.py patches p patches/mod6_something_or_other_bleeding_edge_leaf.vpatch
1482100;1465875964;asciilifeform;and we're done.
1482101;1465875984;mod6;ok.
1482102;1465875990;mod6;that's all i was trying to say :]
1482103;1465876013;asciilifeform;note, elementarily it finds its way back to the genesis (or dies trying) and there is never any need to ~specify~ a genesis or the like.
1482104;1465876015;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-19#1377638 << is it just me, or does this seem ridiculous
1482105;1465876015;a111;Logged on 2016-01-19 21:55 ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
1482106;1465876026;asciilifeform;trinque: elaborate ?
1482107;1465876032;trinque;as if there are zero instincts towards spreading seed in the male side of the act of sex
1482108;1465876044;*;trinque has had a few beers, so let me be specific
1482109;1465876051;trinque;I have always been aware of this aspect of sex when taking part in it
1482110;1465876083;mod6;so maybe, everyone's call, including yours for a 'v-genesis' vpatch had me thrown that it should be a 'genesis' and not a simple vpatch to what currently already exists out there.
1482111;1465876083;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "can not be cut apart" and "sometimes you get a hankering for bareback ; so you make sure the bitch's on the pill"
1482112;1465876099;asciilifeform;^ this is PRECISELY what i mean by cutting apart.
1482113;1465876110;mircea_popescu;mod6 it'd be a new genesis yeah.
1482114;1465876121;asciilifeform;to make the activity INDISTINGUISHABLE from exactly the wanted thing, minus the undesired sequelae.
1482115;1465876161;asciilifeform;granted if trinque ~specifically~ gets off on watching the offspring sprout, there is little that can be done for him by engineer.
1482116;1465876191;mircea_popescu;the problems only begin when trinque goes on a jwz rampage "i only wanted the offspring to sprout, not rob the store".
1482117;1465876202;mircea_popescu;then people get conned into pretending "education" is an engineering field.
1482118;1465876229;mod6;in way that asciilifeform lays it out, in the sense that this vpatch would start from 'false' and end on 'SOME_HASH' and create a file(s)|directory(ies) that did not previously exist, then yes a 'genesis' but only on concept - not in name. as we shouldn't not confuse the two imho.
1482119;1465876253;mod6;s/on/in/
1482120;1465876256;asciilifeform;mod6: per my v, that and only that is what a 'genesis' is.
1482121;1465876264;asciilifeform;any other usage is nyooz to me.
1482122;1465876265;mircea_popescu;mod6 : if you're building trb, you start from a trb genesis. if you're building V (via V), you start from a V genesis. and so on.
1482123;1465876289;mod6;i think that it makes it confusing if we call it 'v-genesis'
1482124;1465876301;mod6;instead of mod6_v.vpatch or something
1482125;1465876307;asciilifeform;thing is, operator doesn't specifically start from anything. he specifies a press head (if that. in one variant contemplated earlier by mircea_popescu, one does not even specify press head, but instead walk longest chain having sigs S1...Sn)
1482126;1465876314;mircea_popescu;the obvious usage is due to it being <project-name>-genesis. but yeah.
1482127;1465876328;asciilifeform;the press head results in walking backwards in time, to the genesis.
1482128;1465876335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform tru. but it ends up SOMEWHERE.
1482129;1465876337;mircea_popescu;right.
1482130;1465876338;asciilifeform;of which there can be >1 !
1482131;1465876345;mircea_popescu;mno!
1482132;1465876351;asciilifeform;as would be the case in a mircea_popescuated shiva trb.
1482133;1465876364;mircea_popescu;how teh hell would thatr be the case.
1482134;1465876373;asciilifeform;graph will have 2 nodes having no antecedents.
1482135;1465876379;asciilifeform;1) trb-genesis
1482136;1465876384;asciilifeform;2) shiva-part1
1482137;1465876386;mircea_popescu;no graph of mine is ever going into this state of sin.
1482138;1465876394;asciilifeform;how the fuck is this 'state of sin
1482139;1465876395;asciilifeform;'
1482140;1465876402;mircea_popescu;because ambiguous genesis.
1482141;1465876409;asciilifeform;it isn't ambiguous !
1482142;1465876414;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1482143;1465876416;asciilifeform;operator NEVER explicitly does ANYTHING with genesis !
1482144;1465876418;asciilifeform;ever !
1482145;1465876434;asciilifeform;srsly read the code, of ANYBODY's vtron
1482146;1465876441;asciilifeform;doesn't have to be mine
1482147;1465876442;mircea_popescu;would it be better if instead of genesis we called it terminator ?
1482148;1465876443;trinque;mircea_popescu │ the problems only begin when trinque goes on a jwz rampage "i only wanted the offspring to sprout, not rob the store". << I agree 100% that offspring are in any sane scenario mine to end
1482149;1465876453;trinque;this does not contradict the fact that the more the world looks like me, the happier I am
1482150;1465876455;trinque;it serves it
1482151;1465876457;asciilifeform;dun matter what we call it, there can and often will be >1.
1482152;1465876472;mircea_popescu;no such wonder.
1482153;1465876487;asciilifeform;elementarily, any patch that sprouts matter out of the aether without affecting anything presently standing.
1482154;1465876504;mircea_popescu;it still has to either a) chain off an existing element or b) not be part of the story.
1482155;1465876506;mircea_popescu;there is no c).
1482156;1465876525;asciilifeform;tinyscheme did not chain off any previously standing thing.
1482157;1465876541;mircea_popescu;then no good. and whatever patches reference it should burn.
1482158;1465876552;asciilifeform;it joins the party wholly formed.
1482159;1465876558;mircea_popescu;not allowed.
1482160;1465876562;asciilifeform;and i seriously fail to see why mircea_popescu is barfing
1482161;1465876566;mircea_popescu;it goes off existing matter or goes hang.
1482162;1465876572;asciilifeform;why ?
1482163;1465876599;mircea_popescu;same reason someone who wants to participate here starts by reading the log, not by "wholly formed" delusional nonsense.
1482164;1465876635;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu recall why i did the tinyscheme genesis the way i did ?
1482165;1465876647;asciilifeform;it was quite ugly !
1482166;1465876655;asciilifeform;but ~deliberately~ went from ~pedigreed tarball~
1482167;1465876664;mircea_popescu;possibly because trying to subvert the whole thing by having "multiply loadable libraries" or whatever. in any case : you can trivially just make it depend on genesis and be done wit hthe whole story.
1482168;1465876674;asciilifeform;this obscures its pedigree !
1482169;1465876679;deedbot;[Qntra] Amazon Shipped Sulphuric Acid By Air Without Customary Precautions 9 Injured - http://qntra.net/2016/06/amazon-shipped-sulphuric-acid-by-air-without-customary-precautions-9-injured/
1482170;1465876681;asciilifeform;and makes whole thing into a 'trust me plox'
1482171;1465876690;mircea_popescu;there may not exist any sort of pedigree, even as a notion, other than from one of our genesis.
1482172;1465876697;mircea_popescu;and generally - the whole fucking world burns.
1482173;1465876713;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it has to burn with proper petrol, farts are not enough.
1482174;1465876730;asciilifeform;using what pedigree there actually is - e.g., mircea_popescu's signed pgp tarball - is part of this.
1482175;1465876738;mircea_popescu;the notion that some sort of "pedigree" from outside v is worth two shits is the only fart here.
1482176;1465876758;phf;yeah, i found that point of tinyscheme somewhat confusing. i understand asciilifeform's intent of "this is how i found tarball", but it seems to contradict wot aspects of v
1482177;1465876765;asciilifeform;but it is not outside. the signed pedigreed tarball is a vtronic creation (in the respective cases, mine and mircea_popescu 's)
1482178;1465876770;mircea_popescu;the pedigree, if it exists, comes from "i asciilifeform read this and i goes off genesis". nowhere else.
1482179;1465876773;asciilifeform;testament that 'yes this is what i had on optic disk for last 10y'
1482180;1465876777;asciilifeform;aha
1482181;1465876802;asciilifeform;phf: point was to separate 'i found this' from the 'and then i changed x,y,....'
1482182;1465876818;mircea_popescu;no such separation is desired. moreover, breaking the tree is outright catastrophic.
1482183;1465876850;asciilifeform;how the fuck does it 'break the tree'
1482184;1465876852;asciilifeform;i dun get it.
1482185;1465876858;phf;well, yes, that's the intent, but i'm saying that i'm not sure there's value in "i found this" when it breaks "i make this part of whole"
1482186;1465876862;mircea_popescu;but understand this clearly alf : the difference between "i produced this" and "i stole this from washington" is nil. if you stole it or wrote it - YOU PRODUCED IT.
1482187;1465876866;mircea_popescu;world is not worth the mention.
1482188;1465876914;phf;well, it attempts to solve same problem that the vectors were solving, i.e. introducing code that you're not ready to reasonably support
1482189;1465876918;asciilifeform;it is worth the mention when somebody else steals precisely same thing (because it was, say, hamlet) and stands a patch on ~it~
1482190;1465876936;mircea_popescu;hardly. you sign yours, he signs his and that's that.
1482191;1465876939;asciilifeform;then we can see that my item and his have ~same~ antecedent.
1482192;1465876948;mircea_popescu;yes, ie, genesis.
1482193;1465876976;mircea_popescu;there may not be any such "we see". if both you and him introduce "item x", the only approach is to read both.
1482194;1465876993;asciilifeform;if diff x1 x2 is nil, then NOPE
1482195;1465876998;asciilifeform;no need to 'read both'.
1482196;1465877013;mircea_popescu;why'd someone make a new 0 diff patch instead of signing yours ?
1482197;1465877019;mircea_popescu;this is pretty crummy behaviour.
1482198;1465877021;asciilifeform;because he had nfi i existed ?
1482199;1465877025;asciilifeform;and stole hamlet on his own ?
1482200;1465877041;mircea_popescu;ignorance of the patches is scant defense.
1482201;1465877148;asciilifeform;imho mircea_popescu is catastrophically missing the point re the genesis thing:
1482202;1465877151;asciilifeform;i will give example
1482203;1465877155;mircea_popescu;aite.
1482204;1465877165;asciilifeform;'ffz', item i am working on now, is the finite field integer library.
1482205;1465877183;asciilifeform;it uses nothing previously existing, and will be a genesis in any possible tree where it appears.
1482206;1465877199;asciilifeform;but not the only genesis!
1482207;1465877210;asciilifeform;(what kind of proggy would it be, to have only it as genesis.)
1482208;1465877210;mircea_popescu;mno. ffz, a project you are working on now, has its own genesis. IT WILL BE REBASED in any possible tree where it appears.
1482209;1465877215;mircea_popescu;you don't get motherfucking #include.
1482210;1465877225;mircea_popescu;v exists SPECIFICALLY so you can't "save labour" in this manner.
1482211;1465877234;asciilifeform;v is as strong as the hash function
1482212;1465877242;asciilifeform;which, if strong, makes it safe in ANY case to '#include' a HASH
1482213;1465877246;mircea_popescu;never.
1482214;1465877249;mircea_popescu;lazy ass coder people.
1482215;1465877254;asciilifeform;whole motherfucking POINT of v
1482216;1465877258;mircea_popescu;you want to use a piece of code in your project, YOU REBASE IT.
1482217;1465877261;mircea_popescu;no fucking exceptions.
1482218;1465877261;asciilifeform;is to NEVER have the idiot duplication of identical shit.
1482219;1465877272;mircea_popescu;read the whole thing, rebase the whole thing. copy it by hand in longhand 50 times.
1482220;1465877278;asciilifeform;i ain't doing this.
1482221;1465877280;asciilifeform;and nobody can make me.
1482222;1465877301;mircea_popescu;apparently i wasn't ~missing~ the point eh.
1482223;1465877304;asciilifeform;the ~necessary~ reactor rod pulling, and not ONE inch moar.
1482224;1465877314;mircea_popescu;reading code is necessary.
1482225;1465877323;mircea_popescu;stick to one project at a time, you'll be happy enough that way.
1482226;1465877329;asciilifeform;reading code - necessary.
1482227;1465877335;asciilifeform;diffing identical filez by hand - idiocy.
1482228;1465877337;mircea_popescu;for the record - each piece of code should be read more often than it is used.
1482229;1465877347;asciilifeform;here i must agree with mircea_popescu .
1482230;1465877353;asciilifeform;(i compulsively re-read own shit)
1482231;1465877362;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not in the slightest. you ever read a novel TWICE only to discover that hey, i hadsn't gotten it the first time ?
1482232;1465877362;asciilifeform;saved my skin many times, this did.
1482233;1465877368;asciilifeform;sometimes 10x.
1482234;1465877379;mircea_popescu;so then stop hanging on to outdated capitalist dogma that perpetuates the inequality in our society.
1482235;1465877393;asciilifeform;but this kind of thing oughta be done ~with thought~ rather than as strange human sacrifice ritual.
1482236;1465877395;mircea_popescu;if there's ever going to be an end to rotten meat, is through disallowing the processes that create it in the first place.
1482237;1465877400;mircea_popescu;#include got to go.
1482238;1465877421;asciilifeform;reread must be a deliberate, conscious act, not 'hail mary'
1482239;1465877451;asciilifeform;nothing about 'let's cp this 1,000,001 times because mircea_popescu took away #include' compels intelligent rereading.
1482240;1465877479;mircea_popescu;intelligence can not be compelled.
1482241;1465877487;mircea_popescu;however, stupidity can be dis-empowered.
1482242;1465877506;mircea_popescu;there's not going to be any of this "o mom look at me i r coder too i included shit from github".
1482243;1465877529;asciilifeform;this does not come from the machine, but from the meat.
1482244;1465877535;mircea_popescu;whether anyone for this reason or for any other starts behaving intelligently is outside of the scope. nevertheless, the dumb behaviour being stomped out is, by my stick, enough.
1482245;1465877565;asciilifeform;my point is that mircea_popescu is using very blunt stick.
1482246;1465877572;mircea_popescu;so i am.
1482247;1465877582;trinque;the include moves concepts from one place to another without enumerating them. it's in that sense a lie by omission
1482248;1465877595;asciilifeform;it enumerates
1482249;1465877598;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, without UNDERSTANDING them.
1482250;1465877598;*;trinque is chronically guilty of massive single files of code
1482251;1465877601;mircea_popescu;"hey, worx"
1482252;1465877602;asciilifeform;by stating the motherfucking hash
1482253;1465877605;asciilifeform;is a total enumeration.
1482254;1465877607;asciilifeform;for any possible purpose.
1482255;1465877616;trinque;the has does not fucking enumerate what it hashed or you could reverse it
1482256;1465877624;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. for instance - fitness of import to codebase is not seriously considered.
1482257;1465877626;trinque;it identifies which is totally different
1482258;1465877631;asciilifeform;idiot cut and paste lies ~explicitly~ by trying to fool reader into 'x1 and x2 differ' whereas they do not.
1482259;1465877637;asciilifeform;have same bitwise identity.
1482260;1465877640;mircea_popescu;even the notion of "library" is fucktarded. you take the code and apply it to your needs.
1482261;1465877658;asciilifeform;go, apply. by patching.
1482262;1465877678;mircea_popescu;rebase-and-patch, sure.
1482263;1465877714;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand : you make zlib. project X uses zlib v 95. project Y uses zlib 94. you move to zlib 99
1482264;1465877721;asciilifeform;i fail to see the point in pretending that x1, x2, x3, ... xn which are BITWISE IDENTICAL are different entities.
1482265;1465877722;mircea_popescu;NONE OF THEM LOSES ANYTHING. theyt have your shit rebased properly.
1482266;1465877731;mircea_popescu;if they want to add your patches they do. if not - not, and fuck you.
1482267;1465877739;mircea_popescu;otherwise you reproduce the shit that ruined linux world.
1482268;1465877754;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we are never in any danger of having ~this~ 'include'
1482269;1465877759;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform two women which are cuntwise identical ARE STILL DIFFERENT. genetics, their future, etc.
1482270;1465877760;asciilifeform;their include is BLIND
1482271;1465877763;asciilifeform;it has no hash !!
1482272;1465877764;asciilifeform;think !!
1482273;1465877768;mircea_popescu;so ?
1482274;1465877772;mircea_popescu;hash doth not save.
1482275;1465877776;asciilifeform;but it does.
1482276;1465877786;trinque;I didn't read it; I just copied and pasted that hash from shithub
1482277;1465877801;asciilifeform;when someone builds on my particular patch, i can never in the future move anything 'from under him'
1482278;1465877811;asciilifeform;unlike the idiot 'linux world' include
1482279;1465877812;mircea_popescu;...
1482280;1465877819;trinque;doesn't this run directly against your fits-in-head thing?
1482281;1465877823;asciilifeform;how ?
1482282;1465877836;trinque;because you are considering openssl as the word openssl or whatever function you've imported and it's signature
1482283;1465877838;trinque;and not how it actually works
1482284;1465877841;trinque;program is too big
1482285;1465877843;trinque;you're fucked
1482286;1465877852;asciilifeform;trinque: v is specifically about not doing this
1482287;1465877860;asciilifeform;we never include 'word openssl'
1482288;1465877861;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wouldja think for a minute. if he trusts your key, to get stuff included up to X, he trusts your key, so ends up with stuff included past X also.
1482289;1465877874;phf;tinyscheme is very much openssl
1482290;1465877875;mircea_popescu;how does he stop your stupid shit at X ? only rebasing does this.
1482291;1465877895;asciilifeform;phf: but we DON'T '#include tinyscheme', we include PARTICULAR HASH OF PARTICULAR SNAPSHOT
1482292;1465877897;asciilifeform;srsly
1482293;1465877902;asciilifeform;what planet have you lot been living on
1482294;1465877908;mircea_popescu;this is not the jesus you think it is.
1482295;1465877922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he stops it by taking SPECIFIC HASH, of specific one of my patches! as his antecedent.
1482296;1465877930;asciilifeform;nothing that happens after that can possibly affect his proggy
1482297;1465877943;mircea_popescu;why not ? v sees patches off the same thing signed by you, imports them.
1482298;1465877951;asciilifeform;v as we have it offers NO mechanism for 'and this here file is the longest chain of all of asciilifeform's patches forever'
1482299;1465877962;mircea_popescu;...
1482300;1465877975;mircea_popescu;depends on mode, in one mode it builds all the chains it can./
1482301;1465878000;asciilifeform;you can't specify a 'all of asciilifeform's works' as a v-antecedent !
1482302;1465878015;asciilifeform;THIS, if it existed, would be certain doom.
1482303;1465878026;asciilifeform;as mircea_popescu describes, with '#include <idiocy.h>'
1482304;1465878033;mircea_popescu;i suspect this matter requires more private meditation, because there seems to be relatively little common ground.
1482305;1465878046;asciilifeform;i also recommend experimentation.
1482306;1465878059;asciilifeform;pop yer favourite text editor, and pick favourite vtron (i recommend mod6's) and play.
1482307;1465878090;phf;asciilifeform: i understand that but you're missing what i'm saying. you yourself said that you're not particularly trusting tinyscheme. it has overflow bugs, it has all kinds of issues, and keeping its apartness insulates ~you~ from a certain amount of responsibility. it's no longer serving a purpose as part of a bigger trb patch, now it's this third party "pedigree" thing, that we can sort of rely on, but nobody's responsible for etc.
1482308;1465878108;asciilifeform;phf: this is correct.
1482309;1465878109;mircea_popescu;^
1482310;1465878114;mod6;i think both are reasonable.  this should be tabled for now for thought-experiment and real-experiment time.
1482311;1465878114;mircea_popescu;it is also bullshit.
1482312;1465878116;phf;hence openssl
1482313;1465878117;trinque;question wasn't (I thought) how V works, it's whether #include is a useful tool or a festering fucking sore
1482314;1465878121;asciilifeform;phf: in that sense absolutely
1482315;1465878121;trinque;phf: yes
1482316;1465878138;trinque;your program *is* one scroll
1482317;1465878142;trinque;whether you've structured it as such or not
1482318;1465878145;mircea_popescu;you can't fucking have "nice things". deal with it!!11
1482319;1465878147;trinque;why lie
1482320;1465878159;asciilifeform;phf: it was specifically labeled as a dangerous toy. for the reason you described.
1482321;1465878196;mircea_popescu;i personally never got the idea it's part of trb or anything. seemed to me more like a "alf's other project", sort of like the ffz thing.
1482322;1465878202;asciilifeform;trinque: #include <name> is bullshit. #include <HASH> is a reliable tool.
1482323;1465878211;mircea_popescu;a reliable tool to lie to management.
1482324;1465878217;asciilifeform;nope.
1482325;1465878223;asciilifeform;a tool for reusing timeless pieces.
1482326;1465878225;mircea_popescu;as phf explains above, and as i've tried to.
1482327;1465878228;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing.
1482328;1465878233;mircea_popescu;again : you can't fucking have "nice things".
1482329;1465878236;trinque;it is a fucking lie; the category within which you're enumerating symbols is not delimited by file
1482330;1465878241;asciilifeform;i suspect that we are not going to agree.
1482331;1465878247;trinque;the category is as big as it is, and no smaller
1482332;1465878254;trinque;and inventing "file" and #include does not change that
1482333;1465878255;mircea_popescu;possibru not.
1482334;1465878256;asciilifeform;i believe that it is possible to actually solve a problem in a permanent way.
1482335;1465878268;asciilifeform;as in, for all time.
1482336;1465878276;mircea_popescu;in software ? maybe. ONE problem. not "all problems".
1482337;1465878280;asciilifeform;one problem.
1482338;1465878289;asciilifeform;e.g., addition in Z.
1482339;1465878291;mircea_popescu;you write your lib with the cannonical solution ; everyone else imports it that wants it.
1482340;1465878300;asciilifeform;aha
1482341;1465878304;mircea_popescu;exactly how "search" is "a problem solved for all time", but when grep got implemented they... cheated it.
1482342;1465878306;asciilifeform;imports, not MORONICALLY cut and pastes.
1482343;1465878314;asciilifeform;imports by referencing the hash.
1482344;1465878319;mircea_popescu;imports, not moronically includes, but re-writes the code.
1482345;1465878325;trinque;and so then your program will never fit in your head
1482346;1465878332;trinque;it will until you hit a boundary and say "openssl" or "tinyscheme"
1482347;1465878343;asciilifeform;but you NEVER 'say tinyscheme'
1482348;1465878356;trinque;and this is fiat-world division of labor where at some point it is "other guy's problem"
1482349;1465878361;mircea_popescu;you know saying "tinyscheme 4564387658734" is not for this reason better than "tinyscheme"
1482350;1465878362;phf;well, tinyscheme-0f2b8cc
1482351;1465878363;trinque;and thus entirely not "fits in head"
1482352;1465878368;trinque;phf: does not matter
1482353;1465878375;trinque;tinyscheme at point in time, no shit
1482354;1465878375;asciilifeform;you say B9F2C8885474FD6B4F7D36955799716E68161BE8F8CFCE3640ADE942FE0064A00D64C7DABC3EC36B24797760B99EA6C79D74A8F984DCC3AEAC2EEF183B3ED70B.
1482355;1465878376;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/dimorphism/
1482356;1465878377;mircea_popescu;trinque that's his point, that it doesn't matter.
1482357;1465878388;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the peculiar string you use does not work the magic better.
1482358;1465878401;mircea_popescu;can be as long and lettery as you want. still a hail mary string of no actual practical benefit.
1482359;1465878411;asciilifeform;it does though. (unless you have a meaningful hash collision.)
1482360;1465878416;mircea_popescu;mno.
1482361;1465878427;asciilifeform;it doesn't point to a 'place where i swear i put a tinyscheme and not rm -rf'
1482362;1465878436;asciilifeform;it points to tinyscheme.
1482363;1465878440;mircea_popescu;this is true. it is also irrelevant.
1482364;1465878451;asciilifeform;i am entirely unconvinced.
1482365;1465878456;mircea_popescu;well...
1482366;1465878459;asciilifeform;to me it is the only relevant thing.
1482367;1465878479;phf;tinyscheme then becomes a space of unknowing
1482368;1465878503;phf;heh, this is parallel to the unicode conversation actually..
1482369;1465878509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform architecture long encountered, and thenresolved, this matter. there are "problems solved for all time", such as, "the roman arch". nevertheless, no architect to date has yet written "roman arch" on a piece of paper.
1482370;1465878516;mircea_popescu;instead, he made one. by hand. to spec as his project needed.
1482371;1465878524;asciilifeform;possibly what mircea_popescu was thinking is that the operator is NOT absolved of the chore of reading the thing that hashed to B9F2C8885474FD6B4F7D36955799716E68161BE8F8CFCE3640ADE942FE0064A00D64C7DABC3EC36B24797760B99EA6C79D74A8F984DCC3AEAC2EEF183B3ED70B
1482372;1465878526;mircea_popescu;phf it just occured to me yeah, it is.
1482373;1465878529;asciilifeform;to see what it consists of
1482374;1465878537;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not just read it. change it.
1482375;1465878563;asciilifeform;the part i disagree is mircea_popescu's apparent insistence that said chances ought to artificially obscure the origin
1482376;1465878566;mircea_popescu;the odds of two projects wanting the same exact verbatim pile of lib-code are ~as good as for a hash collision.
1482377;1465878579;asciilifeform;and leave the reader to gnaw on it with diff tools if he wants to get to the truth
1482378;1465878579;mircea_popescu;there is no "origin", other than, "who signed it".
1482379;1465878603;trinque;the thing on trial here is I just wanted to aes-128 or whatever; I did not want to openssl
1482380;1465878607;mircea_popescu;but yes, laterally, this also takes out with red irons any concept of "copyright" in software
1482381;1465878620;mircea_popescu;not altogether a bad side effect, but it is not intentional, merely derivative from sanity.
1482382;1465878629;asciilifeform;trinque: elaborate ?
1482383;1465878655;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: makes ~exactly same amount of sense by abolishing copyright by poking out eyes.
1482384;1465878656;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i been sayuing this for an hour now. YOU DONT FUCKING IMPORT THE WHOLE LIB VERBATIM. you take what you need, and adapt it to your project.
1482385;1465878657;trinque;my actual possible code paths in say trb should be reflected in the code
1482386;1465878664;trinque;asciilifeform: ^
1482387;1465878689;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482376 < also.
1482388;1465878689;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 04:29 mircea_popescu: the odds of two projects wanting the same exact verbatim pile of lib-code are ~as good as for a hash collision.
1482389;1465878723;asciilifeform;ideally you will specify a MINIMAL set of differences, via patching. supposing that the originating item was by someone in your wot, vs taken from hitler on battlefield
1482390;1465878733;asciilifeform;and phf actually had a good point earlier:
1482391;1465878759;asciilifeform;i am NOT and will NOT be willing to sign off on, e.g., tinyscheme, or even trb, with same level of assurance as for code that i and i alone had written.
1482392;1465878770;asciilifeform;hence http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545
1482393;1465878788;asciilifeform;^ which incidentally is still a thing that must be done, either this way or some other way, because this is indeed a dire problem
1482394;1465878793;trinque;I'm reminded of the call-graph thread
1482395;1465878794;mircea_popescu;no, best is to trust and verify. pretend you did take it off hitler.
1482396;1465878795;asciilifeform;and must be dealt with.
1482397;1465878800;mircea_popescu;otherwise - hole, night, creeps in.
1482398;1465878908;trinque;point being that problem would be trivial if we weren't introducing human-side optimizations like #include and general libraries of 100s of functions out of which you pick a couple
1482399;1465878908;phf;i prefer to just loosen the requirements a bit. a failure in a vpatch doesn't need to result in public disgrace, shaming or execution. that might be one of reasons why work came to utter stand still, nobody wants to "sign off" on this or that like it's going to end in the style of diana_coman's story 
1482400;1465878912;asciilifeform;if i have to diff (or, satan forbid, VISUALLY INSPECT), e.g., mod6's ffz.adb to see what parts he changed from mine, and every single motherfucking time i find that it is nothing at all, then my time is wasted.
1482401;1465878919;asciilifeform;my VERY limited time.
1482402;1465878937;asciilifeform;phf: it was hanbot's story
1482403;1465878944;phf;err, yes, sorry
1482404;1465878956;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why would you care to answer that q btw ?
1482405;1465878966;trinque;the problem is poorly formed; I would eventually sign off on a function that did RSA
1482406;1465878985;trinque;I will never sign off on a crypto util lib that has umpteen million functions
1482407;1465878995;mircea_popescu;i am of the same mind.
1482408;1465878997;asciilifeform;because if i cannot determine mechanically 'this is THE thing that ~i~ wrote' vs 'this is SOME OTHER thing that i must now read with magnifying glass' this wastes potentially weeks, months, years (depending on mass of turd) of my time.
1482409;1465879009;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform reading code we use is not wasting anything.
1482410;1465879016;mircea_popescu;either it's familiar or it isn't.
1482411;1465879024;asciilifeform;reading SAME THING 1,000,001 times because SOMEONE ELSE FORCED ME ~is~
1482412;1465879027;asciilifeform;definitionally.
1482413;1465879038;asciilifeform;if ~i chose to~ - then no, not waste.
1482414;1465879039;mircea_popescu;incidentally, this may be the most idiotic cockroach implanted by usg in programmer heads, "save time by not reading"
1482415;1465879040;mircea_popescu;nigga...
1482416;1465879045;mircea_popescu;so fucking backwards. read, bitch. read.
1482417;1465879048;mircea_popescu;write less.
1482418;1465879050;asciilifeform;by not reading THING I WROTE n+1th time
1482419;1465879064;mircea_popescu;if it's already in your head ? goes fast.
1482420;1465879067;asciilifeform;my n, for all mircea_popescu knows, could be 1,000.
1482421;1465879100;mircea_popescu;iirc when i wanted to sanitize indents you quashed it mostly on the grounds of exactly this, "i want my diff to still work". well now ?
1482422;1465879104;mircea_popescu;it works, use it omgerd.
1482423;1465879134;asciilifeform;it was a 'i will NOT read a thing by hand to discover that it is actually equal to yesterday's thing'
1482424;1465879140;asciilifeform;does mircea_popescu remember his mega-article on leverage ?
1482425;1465879146;mircea_popescu;yes.
1482426;1465879147;asciilifeform;and which projects he would take on in his consulting days
1482427;1465879148;phf;reading thing you wrote as applied to a new problem might potentially reveal issues. "oh this code uses strcpy with null pointer, strcpy is included from `my` code, so i'm going to make a bunch of assumptions that break down in this case"
1482428;1465879153;asciilifeform;have link handy for l0gz?
1482429;1465879174;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2009/ce-ma-intereseaza-pe-mine-intr-un-proiect/
1482430;1465879181;asciilifeform;phf: i quite agree that rereading can be beneficial. but NOT forced 'paint the snow heaps white' ru army style.
1482431;1465879188;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes! precisely that one.
1482432;1465879196;mircea_popescu;shut up, ru army style made men out of a collection of shitheads.
1482433;1465879204;asciilifeform;tru!
1482434;1465879210;mircea_popescu;all the "effort saving" kitchen appliances never made a man yet.
1482435;1465879213;asciilifeform;but doing same to ~adult man~ is a no go.
1482436;1465879218;mircea_popescu;internet of things. pshaw.
1482437;1465879219;asciilifeform;different animals.
1482438;1465879235;asciilifeform;in linked piece, mircea_popescu described how he would piss right back on people who intend to waste his time
1482439;1465879250;asciilifeform;(with sitting in queues, pointless travels to stuffy offices, etc)
1482440;1465879252;trinque;when I read a definition of a lisp system which pulls 30 separate files into one namespace, I am reading a lie
1482441;1465879268;trinque;the system is 15k lines long, not 200 or w/e
1482442;1465879276;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you're trying to save copulation time, seriously now.
1482443;1465879286;mircea_popescu;it's not been wasted, the time you used reading, it's not been wasted.
1482444;1465879322;asciilifeform;realize, if i strongly suspect that strings s1 and s2 are identical, i'ma diff'em.
1482445;1465879330;asciilifeform;no matter what dumb obstacles anybody placed in my way.
1482446;1465879343;asciilifeform;i ain't reading macbeth twice in one evening unless i ~want~ to.
1482447;1465879353;mircea_popescu;so diff'em.
1482448;1465879365;trinque;what requires you to read the whole scroll?
1482449;1465879373;trinque;so you're looking at it at offset whatever, what does this change?
1482450;1465879377;mircea_popescu;or for that matter, anything you don't feel like reading.
1482451;1465879384;phf;fwiw, we don't have examples in code base of 1000 re-readings but we already have an example of openssl, which is where this conversation started
1482452;1465879398;mircea_popescu;heh.
1482453;1465879409;asciilifeform;phf: i still dun see where openssl comes in
1482454;1465879415;mircea_popescu;tinyscheme :D
1482455;1465879425;asciilifeform;hell, we have a ~literal~ openssl in there.
1482456;1465879428;asciilifeform;in the tinyscheme sense.
1482457;1465879428;mircea_popescu;anyway, what started this conversation is that the ratcheting ratcher burnssss.
1482458;1465879432;mircea_popescu;what's one to do. so it burnssss.
1482459;1465879501;asciilifeform;incidentally, at one point i signed 'this is the tarball of openssl circa 20xx from my hdd, sha512==H'
1482460;1465879513;trinque;what did that tell anyone
1482461;1465879525;asciilifeform;trinque: you would rather not have it ?
1482462;1465879532;asciilifeform;and get a wild one from the net ?
1482463;1465879535;asciilifeform;you business.
1482464;1465879536;asciilifeform;*your
1482465;1465879552;trinque;how am I to evaluate the question of whether I care about that?
1482466;1465879554;mircea_popescu;it's a start. it can not be a standard, however. merely a start.
1482467;1465879592;asciilifeform;trinque: you evaluate it using SAME algo as you use for 'did asciilifeform write his patches or were they given to him by a colonel at ftmeade to pass to chumps'
1482468;1465879595;trinque;"I want incomprehensible wad of nonsense from PRECISE date over incomprehensible wad of nonsense from arbitrary date"
1482469;1465879617;asciilifeform;trinque: it was how we genesis'd trb, recall.
1482470;1465879632;trinque;sure, and see mircea_popescu from 4 lines ago
1482471;1465879645;trinque;but I have nfi what the fucking thing is, to this day
1482472;1465879651;trinque;because of the very thing we're discussing.
1482473;1465879684;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaand THIS is why i want to preserve ALL possible quanta of provenance.
1482474;1465879687;asciilifeform;for future trinque .
1482475;1465879699;asciilifeform;instead of cluttering up the aether with cut'n'pastola.
1482476;1465879725;trinque;I would understand more of what bitcoin *is* from an implementation with no dependencies than from what we have
1482477;1465879727;asciilifeform;you can ALWAYS press/rebase a chain of patches into a 'year 0'
1482478;1465879732;trinque;that what we have is all we have is a tragedy and nothing other
1482479;1465879733;asciilifeform;you can't do the reverse !
1482480;1465879739;asciilifeform;there is no hamburger --> cow converter.
1482481;1465879770;asciilifeform;trinque: it is quite correct to say that no one will ever fully grasp what the original bitcoin actually ~was~
1482482;1465879779;asciilifeform;because this act would require fitting, e.g., 'boost', in head.
1482483;1465879782;asciilifeform;which ain't happening.
1482484;1465879792;trinque;yes.
1482485;1465879855;mod6;Gentlemen, I must bid you Good Evening.  I'll pick this back up with you on the 'morrow. :]
1482486;1465879859;trinque;for all I know boost does this very particular thing with memory allocation that obviates some race condition the whole concept has which prevented it from collapsing immediately
1482487;1465879868;asciilifeform;goodnight mod6
1482488;1465879869;trinque;and we'll never know because as formed I cannot read bitcoin
1482489;1465879874;trinque;and now we're back to your book
1482490;1465879876;*;trinque cackles
1482491;1465879917;*;asciilifeform bbl
1482492;1465879918;phf;genesis of bitcoin including entire lfs, gcc, etc.
1482493;1465880133;trinque;every pit of ignorance on earth sits behind some tidy word beyond which "it's someone else's problem"
1482494;1465880151;phf;i think that a lot of these conversations come to a standstill because they deal with infinities, rather the shaping into a reasonable concrete. it seems proper that slapping new code onto bitcoin should come in a form of wot signed balls of mud, that don't particularly care about preserving all information and pedigrees and such. "i wrote this new math function and it uses this mp code that i lifted elsewhere but shaped enough that only relevant bits remain and for all practical purposes all you see in this patch is all that matters" 
1482495;1465880398;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/B9P9y
1482496;1465880575;trinque;phf: the problem there is knowing how much compromise leads to death
1482497;1465880591;trinque;one can always say "not as much as I've commited thus far"
1482498;1465880602;trinque;and then maybe you're BingoBoingo's druggie, or you're in a pool of blood and piss
1482499;1465880628;phf;act from cause?
1482500;1465880686;trinque;I'd expect it avoids the trap
1482501;1465880827;trinque;at least in that case you know what you've done!
1482502;1465881394;phf;i'm not sure i understand where compromise is. i'm comfortable working with big ball of mud. i see a vpatch as a transition of state of mud to a new state of mud and vpatch is an exhaustive description of what that state transition means. it's signed by asciilifeform which is all the pedigree i need. vpatch itself can come with out of band comment "might be buggy" or "ready for war deployment". there are known problems with that approach that manifest at scale (like for example multiple slightly conflicting version of "utilities" or "math functions" that get copied back and forth, finding bug in one means that the other might remain unpatched, etc.)
1482503;1465881513;phf;but i haven't seen those problems yet in the bitcoin codebase, the problem that i did see is a certain deliberate apartness of tinyscheme related code, that subtly violate my assumptions in a nagging way that i described above.
1482504;1465881600;trinque;that "apartness" you smell on tinyscheme is throughout the thing, not just there
1482505;1465881649;trinque;I have been arguing that the #include concept (styled (require ...) or whatever you like) gives a person a place past which he may "not have to care"
1482506;1465881654;phf;sure, and the next step might be to trim down openssl as much as possible (which might be not much at all given limited resources) and rebase it into genesis
1482507;1465881656;trinque;except that he does have to care; this concept is broken
1482508;1465881669;trinque;certainly so
1482509;1465881702;trinque;there's a core philosophical question of "what is a program" which extends from the observation
1482510;1465881742;trinque;using openssl as a symbol, to the degree that your program relies on one, you cannot be said to have written any particular program at all
1482511;1465881750;trinque;and your signature upon the mud is meaningless
1482512;1465881798;phf;a genesis that no one can read through and make sense of it is meaningless
1482513;1465881818;trinque;who is arguing with that?
1482514;1465881863;phf;well, as far as i understand it was us three arguing with asciilifeform from different angles
1482515;1465882208;trinque;two categories come to mind; lets say in the context of planning a military operation
1482516;1465882218;trinque;on one side you have the set of all possible tactics to employ in a given domain
1482517;1465882224;trinque;this is a 'crypto util library'
1482518;1465882234;trinque;on the other you have specific orders given to a unit
1482519;1465882238;trinque;this is a program
1482520;1465882298;trinque;funny thing here, isn't lisp supposed to be able to manipulate its own damned code
1482521;1465882299;phf;well, mp already pointed at this with his roman arch example
1482522;1465882307;trinque;why then does it hvae the same import system as C++ roughly
1482523;1465882317;trinque;why isn't my program only the set of code it actually uses
1482524;1465882330;trinque;even though yeah, it came from the set of all known Xs and Ys
1482525;1465882334;phf;which is traditionally described in computing with same architecture terms, i.e. patterns
1482526;1465882368;trinque;I should name a specific symbol import and have the code for that import and all deps slurped into the very spot I named it
1482527;1465882524;phf;asdf is a later graft on lisp, already long after it went microcomputer
1482528;1465882572;phf;the ball of mud in case of lisp is "the entire state of your lisp machine image"
1482529;1465882604;phf;in fact lisp is pretty unfriendly to the whole idea of "fire and forget" code reuse
1482530;1465882633;phf;hense various monsters like "named readtables" and various attempts to minimize package name clashing
1482531;1465882669;*;trinque tries to imagine what a hammer would look like if it were composed of orthogonal categories of "lets make everything to do with hardness" and "everything to do with smashing"
1482532;1465882674;trinque;probably fucking openssl
1482533;1465882847;trinque;the physical world does not have this confounding problem
1482534;1465882859;trinque;you do not link something which contains all possible uses of cement when you pour a foundation
1482535;1465882892;trinque;with the risk that something about bridge failure may end up causing your building to collapse
1482536;1465883028;trinque;fascinating; I have a condensation of the whole conversation now
1482537;1465883050;trinque;it's whether software is a matter of engineering or of thought.
1482538;1465883119;trinque;asciilifeform thinking of it from the perspective of "mind amplifier" says in order to represent as much thought as possible, gonna need hyperlinking
1482539;1465883141;trinque;someone thinking of a specific problem rather than *the whole problem* sees it from the perspective of maximizing clarity of his own particular domain
1482540;1465883159;trinque;thus fuck your hyperlinks; give me the whole thing in one buffer
1482541;1465883167;*;trinque to bed
1482542;1465892217;deedbot;[fr.anco.is] Commissions d’intervention, le casse du siècle - http://fr.anco.is/2016/commissions-dintervention-le-casse-du-siecle
1482543;1465901283;shinohai;Morning, #trilema http://i.imgur.com/NVvBtHE.jpg
1482544;1465901671;shinohai;http://archive.is/xIxDz  <<< ETH in the "press"
1482545;1465904474;shinohai;$up fromphuctor
1482546;1465904482;shinohai;:/
1482547;1465904500;deedbot;shinohai may not $up fromphuctor
1482548;1465904558;shinohai;lo siento
1482549;1465904580;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor
1482550;1465904583;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
1482551;1465905094;mircea_popescu;holy shit davout .1% of GDP ?
1482552;1465905179;mircea_popescu;ahaha good read.
1482553;1465905736;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/SAs
1482554;1465905736;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1482555;1465909028;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482493 << word. really, "labour division" is harmful in the same manner jwzism is harmful, if practiced in the manner jwzism is practiced. the criteria for cleavage MUST BE "can these things be cleaved" ; it CAN NOT BE "would i like these things apart". it is and has to remain about the things, not about the people. and in this sense "engineering serves mankind" in the same way "the sun is u
1482556;1465909028;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 04:55 trinque: every pit of ignorance on earth sits behind some tidy word beyond which "it's someone else's problem"
1482557;1465909029;mircea_popescu;seful to us". it's not something it set out to do.
1482558;1465909056;mircea_popescu;hence the whole "because i can". it's a misnomer : "because it can be done" is proper, the i has no business in there. it'd like to, but that's neither here nor there.
1482559;1465909142;mircea_popescu;and yes, it all loops right back into http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482499
1482560;1465909142;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 05:03 phf: act from cause?
1482561;1465909231;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482503 << it violates mine outright, so much so that on the first pass i ~ignored it. i hadn't at the time it's meant seriously, hard to tell what is a minor point and what a major point until discussion actually ends up on them.
1482562;1465909232;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 05:18 phf: but i haven't seen those problems yet in the bitcoin codebase, the problem that i did see is a certain deliberate apartness of tinyscheme related code, that subtly violate my assumptions in a nagging way that i described above.
1482563;1465909247;mircea_popescu;i hadn't realised*
1482564;1465909319;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482510 << whether you can be said to have "written" it, in the manner of genre fiction, is even a separate matter from "having written it" in the manner of code, which means you control it, which is a superset of you understand it completely, which has really little to do with "here's a string i dreamed up now publish it and clal it a book".
1482565;1465909320;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 05:22 trinque: using openssl as a symbol, to the degree that your program relies on one, you cannot be said to have written any particular program at all
1482566;1465909386;deedbot;[Trilema] Pili - http://trilema.com/2016/pili/
1482567;1465909426;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482521 << incidentally, i think this discussion unearthed another sacred idol of computing stupidity, deeply buried. allow me to go into some detail :
1482568;1465909426;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 05:31 phf: well, mp already pointed at this with his roman arch example
1482569;1465909478;mircea_popescu;there obviously exists a continuum between abstraction and implementation. the way this continuum is handled in ~all (and absolutely all) successful human endeavours is, that a concept is clarified AS A CONCEPT ; and then that concept is applied to situations as an application. like the war, roman arch, et all.
1482570;1465909523;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the way this continuum is handled in all failed human endeavours (computing among them, with such prideful items as "social science" and so on) is for "all possible uses" of a concept to be "dreamed up" and "packaged" in a "conceptual library" which is then to be used verbatim.
1482571;1465909577;mircea_popescu;this idiocy is not only how computing "works" today, but it is also how a good "marxist leninist maoist" party cadre is expected to treat the inept shit they use : he's to import marx.library exactly like you're "expected" to import iosys.blabla
1482572;1465909609;mircea_popescu;the deep stupidity involved should be directly apparent, but in any case - the system as proposed violates the proper flow of entropy, and as such MAY NOT HAVE ANY MERITS.
1482573;1465909645;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is also against operating system? after all, it also entails invoking existing code instead of repasting whole shebang
1482574;1465909663;mircea_popescu;os should be built via v.
1482575;1465909682;asciilifeform;i agree...
1482576;1465909690;mircea_popescu;which means there isn't "the os" anymore.
1482577;1465909695;asciilifeform;but question concerned os as, fundamentally, a library
1482578;1465909711;mircea_popescu;but os as fundamentally a library is like woman as fundamentally a syphilis repository.
1482579;1465909734;asciilifeform;which is to say, a fairly heavy thing, that mircea_popescu is likely to use in his creations without reading.
1482580;1465909736;mircea_popescu;my shamelessly tall statement here being that, "library is the bad thing", outright.
1482581;1465909760;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wouldn't use it in my creations without reading it. i may run it on a box on the basis of wot though.
1482582;1465909808;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fundamental problem with the "library" thing is that you are asked to guess what i might wish to do in the future. this is wrong, and unfixable.
1482583;1465909819;asciilifeform;a fella who won't set foot on airplane has the luxury of 'i won't fly unless i built the thing'.
1482584;1465909849;mircea_popescu;"open source" alleviates this like an emergency valve does ; but why the fuck have design processes which create items which rely on emergency valve already. fix the leaks.
1482585;1465909851;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: with static library that is NOT a thing
1482586;1465909861;asciilifeform;there is no 'in the future'
1482587;1465909864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your idea of static library is practical, but incomplete.
1482588;1465909873;asciilifeform;it isn't an animal, can't run away
1482589;1465909886;mircea_popescu;true static library is really the complete story : ascii's ffz + the various re-implementations of ffz in projects x y and z.
1482590;1465909913;asciilifeform;if it actually works, it never needs reimplementing.
1482591;1465909920;asciilifeform;usable verbatim.
1482592;1465909942;mircea_popescu;at the very least any use will only want parts of it.
1482593;1465909962;mircea_popescu;how do you put in "all the parts that are needed by ALL future users" but "no parts not needed by ANY future user" ?
1482594;1465909976;asciilifeform;this is something that always annoyed me, that folks write blobs that later have to be cut into parts.
1482595;1465909982;asciilifeform;i - pre-cut.
1482596;1465909984;mircea_popescu;i do not wish my os to contain as much as a fucking variable declared i don't use. not one.
1482597;1465909989;asciilifeform;like any good butcher
1482598;1465910005;asciilifeform;i'm with mircea_popescu on this one ^ .
1482599;1465910031;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect this may be a case where your conscientious intelligence is moreover harmful in the very limited and passagery sense that it took you far enough down a blind alley to make digging out the proper route seem expensive and painful.
1482600;1465910077;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482593 << this is called orthogonalization. and is a thing. even if lazy bastards never do it and consequently mircea_popescu has never seen it.
1482601;1465910077;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 13:12 mircea_popescu: how do you put in "all the parts that are needed by ALL future users" but "no parts not needed by ANY future user" ?
1482602;1465910117;mircea_popescu;i posit that no matter how good a job you do of it, and i believe you capable of an exceptionally good job, will never be perfect, because it can't be for fundamental reasons.
1482603;1465910143;asciilifeform;software is the one animal that ~can~ be perfect.
1482604;1465910173;mircea_popescu;only in given context. which is the problem.
1482605;1465910248;asciilifeform;not merely in context of use, but of specification.
1482606;1465910285;asciilifeform;a fits-in-head library with no loose parts and no sharp edges can be used as it is.
1482607;1465910292;mircea_popescu;there's some problems with the concept of "specification" also that i don't have clear in my mind
1482608;1465910303;asciilifeform;and guarantee 0 surprises.
1482609;1465910316;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hm?
1482610;1465910334;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i must say this has been by far the most serious, deep and far reaching argument tmsr yet produced, i sit and marvel at the wonder, all my resources tapped taut and for the first time in many years insufficient to peer through the gloom.
1482611;1465910374;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let's go into a lengthy sidepoint. can you define "specification" for my benefit ? strangely enough the prb tards think some things about what a specification is that diverge.
1482612;1465910430;asciilifeform;generally, a human language description which unambiguously relates the inputs of a mechanism to the outputs
1482613;1465910476;mircea_popescu;no generally. the definitive, absolute and no sharp edges or loose parts version, that can be engraved into the ether and forever work without change.
1482614;1465910496;asciilifeform;no such thing, because spec is a program for ~meat~
1482615;1465910515;asciilifeform;meat sucks to begin with, 'crooked timber' etc.
1482616;1465910519;mircea_popescu;heh.
1482617;1465910540;mircea_popescu;so make a spec for god.
1482618;1465910615;asciilifeform;spec ain't magic. and much of what you see passing for spec is a deliberate attempt to paper over broken ~concepts~ with verbiage.
1482619;1465910627;mircea_popescu;aha.
1482620;1465910684;asciilifeform;have an example of correctly made spec: the ada ref+rationale.
1482621;1465910714;asciilifeform;it is sufficiently detailed and unambiguous that unrelated groups can and have implemented fully compatible compilers.
1482622;1465910746;asciilifeform;by reading it.
1482623;1465910747;mircea_popescu;ugh.
1482624;1465910761;mircea_popescu;i was looking for a definition not for an example.
1482625;1465910765;asciilifeform;yes it is pig-ugly
1482626;1465910817;asciilifeform;i gave definition earlier.
1482627;1465910830;mircea_popescu;which ?
1482628;1465910854;asciilifeform;unambiguous description of how inputs and outputs relate.
1482629;1465910928;mircea_popescu;so a spec is purely descriptive, and in no sense prescriptive ?
1482630;1465910944;asciilifeform;e.g., 'the box takes 8 bits as input and sets the 3 bits of output as equal to the number of 1s on the input register.'
1482631;1465910949;mircea_popescu;"don't steal" can not be a spec, only "if you steal you go to jail" ?
1482632;1465911016;asciilifeform;all specs are maximally prescriptive. in that implication is 'if you don't do x, you are not conformant and we throw you out and buy a new you'
1482633;1465911048;mircea_popescu;and spec may not discuss internal state, only inputs and outputs ?
1482634;1465911056;asciilifeform;correct.
1482635;1465911075;mircea_popescu;then variant and unequivalent implementations of the same spec may exist ?
1482636;1465911129;asciilifeform;absolutely. i can build machine to match my spec above out of GaAs transistors, or MOSFETs on Si or whatever.
1482637;1465911152;mircea_popescu;so you've just said "the bitcoin newtork is the bitcoin specification" here.
1482638;1465911170;asciilifeform;since i did not mention timings or analogue characteristics, the two will be equal per the spec.
1482639;1465911193;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only because it presently has no other specification
1482640;1465911200;asciilifeform;but it has none at all
1482641;1465911210;asciilifeform;the wild animals of the forest are not a spec
1482642;1465911230;mircea_popescu;but the network already and very clearly specifies inputs nad outputs. this meets your definition.
1482643;1465911244;asciilifeform;clearly?!
1482644;1465911249;mircea_popescu;experimential specification, "send a txn see if it makes it through".
1482645;1465911261;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, for any possible output, it'll get either accepted or rejected. doesn't get clearer than this.
1482646;1465911266;asciilifeform;this is pointedly NOT a specification.
1482647;1465911272;mircea_popescu;which is my point.
1482648;1465911277;asciilifeform;rejected today, accepted tomorrow.
1482649;1465911281;mircea_popescu;exactly.
1482650;1465911287;asciilifeform;there is no room for dice rolls in a spec.
1482651;1465911289;mircea_popescu;your definition's no good.
1482652;1465911293;mircea_popescu;you did not say that.
1482653;1465911309;asciilifeform;my definition is fine, you are trying to apply it to a dog vomit
1482654;1465911313;mircea_popescu;hahahaha
1482655;1465911322;mircea_popescu;i hope this was deliberate joke yes ?
1482656;1465911337;asciilifeform;which isn't a fit subject. you can't specify a dog vomit, it won't sit still
1482657;1465911361;asciilifeform;can specify 'bitcointron' but not 'the network'
1482658;1465911376;mircea_popescu;o god almighty he was playing it straight. listen asciilifeform you'll say the exact same thing about your bovaric contraption down the road. "the program is fine the world failed it". need i quote brecht to you ?
1482659;1465911441;asciilifeform;a spec must be objectively, deterministically testable.
1482660;1465911452;asciilifeform;how do you test the network ?
1482661;1465911495;mircea_popescu;you didn't say that, either.
1482662;1465911505;mircea_popescu;but hey, you test it. "as best you can". then nobody believes the results
1482663;1465911515;*;mircea_popescu waves hand 
1482664;1465911544;asciilifeform;because not objective. cannot be ~replicated~
1482665;1465911576;asciilifeform;'dragon came for me from this here well, ergo it contains dragon' is not an objective test
1482666;1465911590;asciilifeform;~i~ ought to be able to summon dragon likewise.
1482667;1465911617;asciilifeform;or dragon-presence is not a testable thing.
1482668;1465911622;mircea_popescu;care to revisit your definition of a specification ?
1482669;1465911662;asciilifeform;did say 'unambiguous' and testable
1482670;1465911671;asciilifeform;what more you want.
1482671;1465911774;mircea_popescu;<asciilifeform> unambiguous description of how inputs and outputs relate. << is what i have.
1482672;1465911790;mircea_popescu;bitvcoin network is unambiguous.
1482673;1465911809;asciilifeform;at any rate, spec is a weak animal when it relies on promise, rather than protocol. ideally you want a simple litmus test for conformance that insta-zaps deviants
1482674;1465911821;asciilifeform;like going wrong way in traffic will kill an idiot
1482675;1465911853;asciilifeform;to the extent that bitcoin does ~not~ behave this way, it is broken design.
1482676;1465911866;mircea_popescu;but that's neither here nor there re our problem.
1482677;1465911904;asciilifeform;bitcoin network is a dogvomit, because it happily accomodates folks driving wrong way.
1482678;1465911999;mircea_popescu;irl i drove wrong way and here i am also.
1482679;1465912101;asciilifeform;but road did not switch directions for hours while mircea_popescu drove wrong way. spat him out.
1482680;1465912118;asciilifeform;or was it in, say, india, and it did ?
1482681;1465912157;mircea_popescu;serbia, ~did. anyway, to round up this excursion : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482607
1482682;1465912157;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 13:18 mircea_popescu: there's some problems with the concept of "specification" also that i don't have clear in my mind
1482683;1465912180;mircea_popescu;and now ima go eat. bbs!
1482684;1465912604;shinohai;https://blockchain.info/tx/d0ec21e1d73d06be76c2b5b1e5ec486085bda8264229046c11b95f66f2eded83?show_adv=true
1482685;1465913039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, your definition of a spec is amply vulnerable. take the time issue : what, ddr can't be specified ? fingering a girl neither ? what happens if the spec asks for a 10 followed by a 11, and ytou get the 10 and silence ? now you got a whole halting problem on your hands.
1482686;1465913064;mircea_popescu;honestly it doesn't seem anyone has a better idea of what a spec is than "correct metaphora", which is ridiculous, ironic, scandalous and not much to go on simultaneously.
1482687;1465913231;asciilifeform;i didn't say 'time can't be specified' !!
1482688;1465913238;asciilifeform;it simply wasn't in my example.
1482689;1465913267;mircea_popescu;uh.
1482690;1465913268;asciilifeform;you can put whatever you want in a valid spec, so long as it is deterministically testable.
1482691;1465913290;asciilifeform;'relates inputs to outputs' does not exclude time, voltage, sex, whatever.
1482692;1465913311;mircea_popescu;so no small scale physical object can be specified.
1482693;1465913341;asciilifeform;if scale small enough - then surely not satisfactorily.
1482694;1465913345;asciilifeform;try specify electron.
1482695;1465913374;asciilifeform;whole concept of spec only makes sense in application to testable man-made objects
1482696;1465913380;asciilifeform;normally, ones you can throw out if they fail.
1482697;1465913392;asciilifeform;(i.e. individual telephone sets, but not 'the phone grid')
1482698;1465913403;mircea_popescu;so the phone grid can't be specified ?
1482699;1465913417;asciilifeform;bell corp. certainly ~tried~, it was comical.
1482700;1465913431;asciilifeform;i actually own some of the trees the killed.
1482701;1465913435;asciilifeform;quite a read.
1482702;1465913440;asciilifeform;*they
1482703;1465913443;mircea_popescu;myeah
1482704;1465913554;asciilifeform;did we ever do a screw threads thread ?
1482705;1465913564;mircea_popescu;possibly not ?
1482706;1465913565;asciilifeform;re the ~original~ specs of the 1700s.
1482707;1465913579;asciilifeform;where lathe men had considerable trouble specifying threads ~on paper~
1482708;1465913593;asciilifeform;and 'the implementation was the spec', at least for a long while.
1482709;1465913604;mircea_popescu;heh
1482710;1465913616;asciilifeform;and the problem was solved in ways which mircea_popescu would find quite unsatisfying
1482711;1465913625;asciilifeform;(metrological 'idols' in paris, etc.)
1482712;1465913683;asciilifeform;(for n00bs: to cut a thread, your lathe needs: a threaded part! itself !)
1482713;1465913695;mircea_popescu;"specification is what happens to art products that are no longer interesting. it is the equivalent of commoditization for resources, familiarity in relationships and failure in civilisation."
1482714;1465913712;asciilifeform;specified threads were a win.
1482715;1465913714;asciilifeform;any way you cut it.
1482716;1465913730;asciilifeform;i don't WANT a screw as motherfucking 'art object'.
1482717;1465913739;mircea_popescu;and being tired of old wifey is also a win "any way you cut it", except no way you care to.
1482718;1465913750;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform art in the old sense, from artifex.
1482719;1465913755;mircea_popescu;ie, what you call engineering.
1482720;1465913759;asciilifeform;in the sense of 'each one is precious and unique and handmade'
1482721;1465913760;asciilifeform;fuck that.
1482722;1465913787;mircea_popescu;why can't it be "each one is carefully well made" ?
1482723;1465913804;asciilifeform;can be as well made as you care to pay for
1482724;1465913816;asciilifeform;but if they aren't ~interchangeable~ you have no industry.
1482725;1465913838;mircea_popescu;which incidentally is how specificatgion was originally born. "replaceable parts", ww2 tech.
1482726;1465913849;asciilifeform;napoleonic war tech.
1482727;1465913916;mircea_popescu;well depends where, but anyway.
1482728;1465913924;asciilifeform;but yes, fundamentally spec was born so that a man could part out a rifle.
1482729;1465914119;mircea_popescu;anyway, for completeness : the correct, mp-would-find-satisfying, tmsr etc solution to the lathe problem is : make a lathe that cuts lathe parts. shoot anyone found with threaded items not made by your lathe for a few years.
1482730;1465914130;asciilifeform;that's sorta what happened.
1482731;1465914137;mircea_popescu;it's what always has to happen.
1482732;1465914165;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << see also.
1482733;1465914173;mircea_popescu;kinda why isis will necessarily conquer and exterminate north america.
1482734;1465914176;mircea_popescu;they use the metric system.
1482735;1465914185;asciilifeform;do they ?
1482736;1465914195;asciilifeform;i ask because apparently british units survive in afghan.
1482737;1465914321;asciilifeform;did we ever do a 'postel's law not only considered harmful but a disaster of epic proportions, quite comparable to leaded petrol' thread ?
1482738;1465914325;asciilifeform;$s postel's law
1482739;1465914326;a111;9 results for "postel's law", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=postel's%20law
1482740;1465914369;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-02#474922 << thread
1482741;1465914370;a111;Logged on 2014-02-02 17:21 asciilifeform: 'Postel's Law,' that historic mistake.
1482742;1465914466;mircea_popescu;for noobs as you say : calculate the fluid ounces of water to be found in a lake of parallelipiped profile a quarter mile deep, two hundred yards long and six hundred feet wide.
1482743;1465914475;asciilifeform;aha.
1482744;1465914497;asciilifeform;monkey units are in no useful way inter-related
1482745;1465914523;asciilifeform;(how much ocean gives you 100 pounds per square inch of pressure ??)
1482746;1465914605;mircea_popescu;also good.
1482747;1465914657;asciilifeform;incidentally for so long as isis army fights with american gear, they are stuck with monkey units.
1482748;1465914737;asciilifeform;everything from bayonet lug up is in inches, 'mils', pound, etc.
1482749;1465914752;mircea_popescu;i don';t think they care.
1482750;1465914795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you should see the rail here btw. often they have 3-5 rails installed.
1482751;1465914801;asciilifeform;waiwut
1482752;1465914808;asciilifeform;at switches ?
1482753;1465914819;mircea_popescu;i've seen actual track laid that way.
1482754;1465914829;asciilifeform;pics?
1482755;1465914839;mircea_popescu;will produce next i run into.
1482756;1465914849;asciilifeform;they lay sleepers extra-wide in advance ?!
1482757;1465914853;asciilifeform;or where do they put them
1482758;1465914866;mircea_popescu;the track simply has multiple rails.
1482759;1465914873;asciilifeform;yes but ~where~
1482760;1465914883;mircea_popescu;thye just run parallel. what to you mean where
1482761;1465914892;asciilifeform;gotta have standard gauge, no ?
1482762;1465914895;asciilifeform;for the train to move
1482763;1465914907;mircea_popescu;train moves on whichever fits it.
1482764;1465914924;asciilifeform;ah so they have symmetric sets, for variant gauges ?
1482765;1465914930;asciilifeform;like in, e.g., ru border ?
1482766;1465914941;mircea_popescu;something like this : |       |     |  |
1482767;1465914947;asciilifeform;ah !
1482768;1465914955;asciilifeform;so inner set for coal cart or the like.
1482769;1465914971;mircea_popescu;looks like inner for some sort of light rail, 2nd looked normal, third looked ~russian
1482770;1465914980;asciilifeform;lulzy.
1482771;1465914993;asciilifeform;see, i was expecting worse, some orcish atrocity with 'spare' rails.
1482772;1465914995;mircea_popescu;sadly i was otherwise involved at the time and didn't think to shoot it up.
1482773;1465915040;asciilifeform;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Different_gauges_in_China_Railway_Museum.jpg << like so ?
1482774;1465915058;mircea_popescu;quite so.
1482775;1465915063;asciilifeform;there we go.
1482776;1465915083;mircea_popescu;except they had the sense to not make the gaps line
1482777;1465915088;mircea_popescu;nfi what the museum did there.
1482778;1465915092;asciilifeform;http://s175.photobucket.com/user/Dakguy201/media/IMG_4558.jpg.html << moar.
1482779;1465915154;Framedragger;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd like to interrupt this joyful occasion of copulation of you two by noting that ssh-rsa keys of all of ipv4 are now ready for phuctoring and further analysis; they are in the format of e,N,ipaddress. there's 10.6M of them, out of 20.8M something-listening-on-port-22 hosts. rejoice!
1482780;1465915174;mircea_popescu;ahaha omg. caught in the act!
1482781;1465915182;asciilifeform;Framedragger: neato
1482782;1465915183;Framedragger;this is what i've been able to extract (timeout for ssh server to provide ssh keys: 7.0 seconds), but now that i better understand the nuances of this particular undertaking, re-scanning / re-extraction would be much easier. in particular, doable in 36 hours for under 2 euros of cost (and doable in shorter amount of time for more euros and more concentrated work). which means that costs are absolutely negligible, unless you want to keep 
1482783;1465915184;mircea_popescu;nicely done Framedragger
1482784;1465915195;Framedragger;(i used one vps at a time (switched due to abuse complaints and so that i'd be sure there's no filtering / results are not biased) for the "which IPs out of all IPv4 are alive behind :22" scan, and i then used 13 cheap VPSes for the actual ssh key extraction out of the 20.8M alive candidates. if curious re cost: will get the bill for the 13 VPSes later, but it was basically 11 hours of scanning, 2.99eur / mo. per VPS, hourly billing, so 
1482785;1465915221;Framedragger;e,N,ipaddress CSV: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/e-N-IP_all_2016-06-14.tar.bz2 (2.6 GiB compressed)
1482786;1465915239;mircea_popescu;fab.
1482787;1465915243;Framedragger;..and a signed checksum: http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/SHA256SUMS.txt
1482788;1465915253;Framedragger;nigga.
1482789;1465915259;mircea_popescu;wat ?
1482790;1465915274;Framedragger;this is what i say sometimes when i'm happy
1482791;1465915290;Framedragger;go figure the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of the human mind
1482792;1465915296;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, 5x the phuctor installed basis :D
1482793;1465915336;Framedragger;oh uh, it's a shitty python web server there, i should provide something better huh
1482794;1465915339;mircea_popescu;also, you never answered the bassett disaster ?
1482795;1465915354;mircea_popescu;Framedragger should be able to serve a file neh ?
1482796;1465915374;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwut
1482797;1465915393;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah but i dunno how good it is with serving parallel requests; think it will be fine for this though, yeah
1482798;1465915404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude commenting on your article.
1482799;1465915407;asciilifeform;ah
1482800;1465915558;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305&cpage=1#comment-17831 << answr'd, believe or not. perhaps he comes back.
1482801;1465915632;mircea_popescu;aww i was hoping for a thorougher trashing of the imbecile redditard and his "hey guise let me tell you what alt universe my unchallenged 15 yo mind dreamed up"
1482802;1465915730;asciilifeform;normally a quick stomp suffices, i haven't the patience or time to pull the wings off.
1482803;1465915745;mircea_popescu;fair enuf
1482804;1465915762;*;asciilifeform has quite practical and spartan approach to insect control.
1482805;1465915886;asciilifeform;http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305&cpage=1#comment-17831 << corrected, and with link.
1482806;1465916169;asciilifeform;http://www.lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheGreatSlowKings.txt << for ze logz.
1482807;1465916228;mircea_popescu;"I once worked with a crew who all huffed the Airwick room freshener and then sat back against the pallet stack and giggled and said “Wow man” for an hour. " << check out the theorematicians.
1482808;1465916243;asciilifeform;waiwut where
1482809;1465916309;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=1001
1482810;1465916371;asciilifeform;'When I worked in South Baltimore I had to check the aerosol whip before I touched it. Down there those fends would unzip the seal and blast all of the gas up their nose right there in the aisle, resulting in nose bleeds. Most nights that I worked at the Fort Avenue store I had at least one canister on the dairy shelf with blood and other nasal secretions dripping down the side.' << l0l!!
1482811;1465916614;Framedragger;(ahahaha re bassett disaster.. yeah i would view 'cache' as an inevitable result of *constraints* (finite c).. i think it was a confusion of terms (spec / things that emerge from constraints), and i suppose the point of confusion itself is possibly an interesting object to discuss, etc)
1482812;1465916665;mircea_popescu;how you distinguish between "spec" and "things that emerge from constraints" ?
1482813;1465916775;asciilifeform;whether the constraints are provided by universe for free (e.g., all vacuum everywhere has same permeattivity constant, you don't have to sweat to get correct one) vs engineered.
1482814;1465916802;asciilifeform;the latter - specced.
1482815;1465916839;Framedragger;i don't know, but either (1) do not distinguish, or (2) use asciilifeform criterion, which i don't think to be circular, i.e. it's probably sound?
1482816;1465916867;asciilifeform;(the notion of 'high vacuum', interestingly enough, ~has~ a hard spec: mean free path of a particle in the vacuum must be larger than the vessel is wide along any axis)
1482817;1465916888;mircea_popescu;it runs into a problem of "what it means to be provided by universe". for instance - is failure of socialism provided by universe ? is the fact you can't walk through fire conventional or universal ?
1482818;1465916912;asciilifeform;asbestos suit - walk, walk
1482819;1465916935;asciilifeform;this is right back to the 'cleavables' thread.
1482820;1465916948;mircea_popescu;there's no way yet invented to mortise and tenon DIFFERENT beams together. so the result in practice is that you always interpret one - in this case "universe" becomes accessible through mediation, you describe it to yourself.
1482821;1465916956;asciilifeform;usg is at this very moment attempting a cleave of 'socialism fails'
1482822;1465916967;mircea_popescu;so now you're doing two things of the same kind - a convention and another convention.
1482823;1465916968;asciilifeform;using dope, brainwashing, destruction of family unit, 1,001 crackpotteries
1482824;1465917105;mircea_popescu;it is perhaps notable that universe does not provide spec of itself, and so "we're stuck doing basic science on it".
1482825;1465917111;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'provided by universe' is a practical thing - like calculating digits of pi works the same regardless of whether you do it with darts, afghan - with kalash, and me - by throwing rocks, in a circle-in-square.
1482826;1465917205;mircea_popescu;i calculated digits of pi to be 3.879345839845
1482827;1465917213;mircea_popescu;"works the same" only if oyu do it the same, see.
1482828;1465917226;mircea_popescu;but anyway, to expand this horror, what'd be your definition of "fully tested" asciilifeform ?
1482829;1465917226;asciilifeform;take that pi and build a house.
1482830;1465917237;asciilifeform;fully tested is when you do this.
1482831;1465917242;asciilifeform;and live in it.
1482832;1465917243;mircea_popescu;"this" what
1482833;1465917248;asciilifeform;take the pi and build.
1482834;1465917250;mircea_popescu;what if i do live in it and happily ?
1482835;1465917263;mircea_popescu;aka "works on my system"
1482836;1465917274;asciilifeform;then your descendants go ???
1482837;1465917278;asciilifeform;this actually happened !!
1482838;1465917283;asciilifeform;with millikan's electron charge.
1482839;1465917305;mircea_popescu;heck, you laugh at my pi. fine, now laugh at millikan's electron.
1482840;1465917309;mircea_popescu;damn!
1482841;1465917319;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: 10000 mile distant response: just because you accept (at least parts of) (berkeleyan?) skepticism doesn't necessarily mean that *all* relevant conceptual boundaries are useless and prone to slippery slope dissolution
1482842;1465917328;asciilifeform;http://milesmathis.com/millikan.html << on subj
1482843;1465917393;mircea_popescu;Framedragger that;s not necessarily the problem. the problem seems moreover that we have very weak understanding of items that nevertheless we treat as key bricks in the planned construction. this "everyone knows" stuff is very dangerous.
1482844;1465917396;asciilifeform;folks have been calling m sc4mz0r for eons: http://io9.gizmodo.com/did-a-case-of-scientific-misconduct-win-the-nobel-prize-1565949589
1482845;1465917423;Framedragger;(berkeleyan in the sense of (1) take locke's skeptical concerns, and (2) discard locke's "solution" involving lockean substance and substratum and other essentialist stuff)
1482846;1465917445;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah k, this particiular concern should be acknowledged
1482847;1465917506;mircea_popescu;or, to put the same in positive terms, "we've driven the tools to where they exposed grave misunderstanding in the conceptual basis for their usage, now we gotta attend to that side of the ratchet."
1482848;1465917539;mircea_popescu;"usg runs a racket ; tmsr runs a ratchet."
1482849;1465917560;Framedragger;heheh.
1482850;1465917856;mircea_popescu;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4026 << incidentally, the "we got a hooker in X" / 5 dudes in main room hanging out and woman locked in bathroom for later use is very much emblematic male society. from the greek's gynecaeum to the mongol's "the smoked deer up that pole and the captured hos up that pole".
1482851;1465917919;mircea_popescu;no doubt the stuff feminist nightmares aree made of. sort of ready equivalent to "human herd of the future consisting of mostly females"
1482852;1465918083;Framedragger;asciilifeform: (the bz2 expands to 6.0 GiB btw, and it's 13 files inside (in said CSV format), and there's no sorting order and the files can be safely concatenated etc.)
1482853;1465920572;phf;suckless released their own bigint library http://git.suckless.org/libzahl/
1482854;1465920653;asciilifeform;snore, uses heap, and not thread safe.
1482855;1465920702;asciilifeform;  /* TODO Montgomery modular multiplication */ << lel
1482856;1465920708;asciilifeform;not complete, either.
1482857;1465920932;asciilifeform;arithmetic library has no business whatsoever allocating memory.
1482858;1465922164;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai The PwC thing is a bit too much noisy to run
1482859;1465922165;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1482860;1465922954;shinohai;kk, in retrospect i feel that BingoBoingo
1482861;1465924248;deedbot;[Trilema] James Lafond's Beer Hooker, repaired. - http://trilema.com/2016/james-lafonds-beer-hooker-repaired/
1482862;1465924461;mircea_popescu;^ if any of the lafond afficionados wanna compare with the original an' lemme know...
1482863;1465924856;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I dunno if the original was intended to be fiction, but this incremental rewriting is how the oral history passes
1482864;1465924867;mircea_popescu;word.
1482865;1465924883;mircea_popescu;arguably a process much more important than its results.
1482866;1465924977;BingoBoingo;This is a serious bug in the Internet. I fixes oral history as printed text too soon.
1482867;1465925001;mircea_popescu;it does nothing ; but people let it do stupid shit.
1482868;1465925035;BingoBoingo;Aha leik https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Pulse_Nightclub_Massacre
1482869;1465925052;BingoBoingo;"A furfag lied and pretended one of their friends was killed during the shooting, which caused a moderate amount of drama in the furry scene; go raid and troll his Fur Affinity account and stir up some drama for the lulz! "
1482870;1465925116;BingoBoingo;lol https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/9/95/OmarMateen.jpg/499px-OmarMateen.jpg
1482871;1465925281;BingoBoingo;Victimhood jostling: "if you’re straight i really appreciate you uh, making posts about this and trying to raise awareness and give your 2 cents but please….. don’t? this isn’t about you or what you think and it’s making me really uncomfortable lmao please let us raise our voices, please share our posts instead of making your own. today isn’t a day for you to be reaching for ally points"
1482872;1465925287;mircea_popescu;inspired by their "report to fbi" thing i just registered #offended
1482873;1465925293;BingoBoingo;lol
1482874;1465925353;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo what is that weak shit ? "protected class" trying to leech ?
1482875;1465925388;BingoBoingo;Advanced neurological decay brough on by the Beetus
1482876;1465925392;BingoBoingo;And Obummer
1482877;1465925401;BingoBoingo;ANd gawker
1482878;1465925438;mircea_popescu;fuck you, a bunch of X-type derps getting killed is entirely not about x-derps.
1482879;1465925445;mircea_popescu;whaaat the everloving shit.
1482880;1465925587;BingoBoingo;Anyways the important part https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Pulse_Nightclub_Massacre#Graded_Score
1482881;1465925647;mircea_popescu;"While authorities begin the painstaking work into why gunman Omar Mateen massacred at least 50 people at a popular gay nightclub in Florida, they'll have a number of clues for understanding the mindset of the mass murderer" << guy didn't care for your stupid cult ?
1482882;1465925652;mircea_popescu;nah, that can't be in there, can it now.
1482883;1465925782;BingoBoingo;For reference https://encyclopediadramatica.se/High_Score
1482884;1465925956;asciilifeform;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Mutsuo_Toi << lul
1482885;1465927002;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Charles_Whitman%27s_Tumor
1482886;1465927526;Framedragger;found https://cryptosense.github.io/keytester/ (post about it here: https://cryptosense.com/an-online-rsa-key-tester/ ) seems to be closed source, their uber db size is unknown
1482887;1465927622;asciilifeform;^ lulzy. direct ripoff of phuctor.
1482888;1465927627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^
1482889;1465927646;asciilifeform;complete with 'really this is it' and 'real time human censor'
1482890;1465927669;shinohai;kek
1482891;1465927693;mircea_popescu;lolk.
1482892;1465927706;asciilifeform;'Handling SSH keys or SSL certs for your clients? Get in touch with us for a premium access to our key testing API.'
1482893;1465927724;mircea_popescu;pity they didn't call it "ethereum"
1482894;1465927757;mircea_popescu;anyway, with Framedragger 's bundle being dumped in phuctor, their "market" just evaporared.
1482895;1465927783;mircea_popescu;which is the one thing the republic can do real well - burn down the farms of the empire. thoroughly.
1482896;1465927803;mircea_popescu;come to think about it - this is historically accurate, also.
1482897;1465927870;asciilifeform;will 'burn down their farms' like gpg burned down microshit crypto.
1482898;1465927873;asciilifeform;which is to say, not at all.
1482899;1465927899;asciilifeform;imperial subjects will drink imperial crapolade.
1482900;1465927907;asciilifeform;and not terrorjuice.
1482901;1465927926;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between buying products of engineering and buying products of the theatrical arts. sure, they'll drink, let 'em.
1482902;1465927934;Framedragger;"And we shall have our pound of flesh, of thy fair flesh, from closest to thy heart." << hah i like casual quotes of mr william
1482903;1465927967;Framedragger;casual as in unexpected
1482904;1465927980;mircea_popescu;casual as in causerie.
1482905;1465928071;Framedragger;ah, indeed
1482906;1465928181;BingoBoingo;casual as in chauticerie
1482907;1465928196;BingoBoingo;Need more grinding to feed the phuctor sausage!
1482908;1465928264;Framedragger;asciilifeform: incidentally how's the backlog of phuctor? i expect it's rather busy as it is..
1482909;1465928502;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there is no backlog
1482910;1465928511;asciilifeform;phuctor processes ALL keys in the system every 2h.
1482911;1465928540;asciilifeform;and would have to have about 100x moar moduli in it before it couldn't
1482912;1465928547;asciilifeform;(at which point i will set it to, what, 3h.)
1482913;1465928566;asciilifeform;the one bottleneck is: getting them in there.
1482914;1465928597;asciilifeform;http://news.softpedia.com/news/new-device-sold-on-the-dark-web-can-clone-up-to-15-contactless-cards-per-second-505200.shtml
1482915;1465928607;asciilifeform;^ in other lulz.
1482916;1465928779;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ahh. awesome setup.
1482917;1465928789;Framedragger;unrelated, allele set usage in eulora? damn, looks like i *may* have to give that gay game a try
1482918;1465928819;Framedragger;always wanted to experiment more with artificial life a la karl sims virtual creatures but in larger mmorpg world
1482919;1465928928;Framedragger;lol, contactless cards. it's such a stupidly bad idea. reminds me of some hack0rz stealing us passport info because us passports used to have (or maybe still have dunno) *active* rfid chips. yes, active
1482920;1465928930;mircea_popescu;well it's just a plan yet. but sure, give it a whirl.
1482921;1465928939;Framedragger;coolcool.
1482922;1465928953;mircea_popescu;lotta interesting stuff to do inside.
1482923;1465930181;deedbot;[Qntra] US Major Socialist Party Servers Hacked - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-major-socialist-party-servers-hacked/
1482924;1465930496;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482531 << this, unaccidentally, is a very platonic ideal.
1482925;1465930497;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 05:37 trinque tries to imagine what a hammer would look like if it were composed of orthogonal categories of "lets make everything to do with hardness" and "everything to do with smashing"
1482926;1465930519;mircea_popescu;"a kilogram of hammer is composed by taking half a kilogram of hardness and half a kilogram of smashing"
1482927;1465930574;BingoBoingo;That's kinda how I evaluate tools
1482928;1465930655;BingoBoingo;I need to accomplish X. Tool Y weights Z and offers A mass of utility B and C mass of utility D.
1482929;1465930861;BingoBoingo;For tools that require carrying.
1482930;1465931044;BingoBoingo;Other tools have different maths. For grass cutting deck size is king because more grass is cut for every unit of forward movement. For mowing without getting into the lowest bidder market of everyone with mowers you instead mow with https://archive.is/8sZ7i and instead bid on mowing more interesting things.
1482931;1465931557;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1482932;1465931565;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4601.67, vol: 62213.56580000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4601.67
1482933;1465931649;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1482934;1465931655;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 683.98, vol: 11254.41500543 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 661.998, vol: 8723.59434 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 682.61, vol: 72920.66540471 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 645.0, vol: 6.88986081 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 697.39389, vol: 62193.27620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 683.77, vol: 4668.65291758 | Volume-weighted last average: 687.368307639
1482935;1465932960;deedbot;[Qntra] Remembering The Deadliest Spree Killing In US History - http://qntra.net/2016/06/remembering-the-deadliest-spree-killing-in-us-history/
1482936;1465937693;deedbot;[Qntra] "Reverse Feeding Tube" Latest Luxury Developed For Mayogendered Lifestyle - http://qntra.net/2016/06/reverse-feeding-tube-latest-luxury-developed-for-mayogendered-lifestyle/
1482937;1465937743;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/06/reverse-feeding-tube-latest-luxury-developed-for-mayogendered-lifestyle/#comment-61555
1482938;1465937790;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/06/reverse-feeding-tube-latest-luxury-developed-for-mayogendered-lifestyle/#comment-61556
1482939;1465937830;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform
1482940;1465937836;asciilifeform;answr'd
1482941;1465937945;mircea_popescu;"an devices" ?
1482942;1465938200;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1482943;1465939033;asciilifeform;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd9skh7nhvY << continuation of earlier chinese mine film
1482944;1465940033;asciilifeform;in other lulz, guess who's an asset nao: http://bravenewcoin.com/news/john-mcafee-leads-cybersecurity-company-signing-up-roger-ver-and-erik-vorhees
1482945;1465940041;mircea_popescu;ahahaha
1482946;1465940046;asciilifeform;'Cybersecurity expert, libertarian presidential candidate, and founder of McAfee antivirus, John McAfee is taking over as CEO at publicly-traded MGT Capital Investments, Inc., (NYSE MKT: MGT). Fresh at the helm, McAfee is already charting a new course for the company, focusing on how to secure cryptocurrencies. The company previously invested in and developed a wide array of intellectual property.'
1482947;1465940062;mircea_popescu;nice.
1482948;1465940110;BingoBoingo;Gotta do something after losing the libertarian party nomination to the Johnson-Weld ticket
1482949;1465940368;asciilifeform;i can picture the letter, 'dear mr mcafee, would you rather be bound and gagged on next plane for orcland, or be TECH CEO!1111111111111'
1482950;1465940391;mircea_popescu;this is notably a dude that was wanted on a list of shit longer than my arm.
1482951;1465940472;mircea_popescu;where's that porn industry quote ?
1482952;1465940472;*;BingoBoingo awaits Intel selling him his name back
1482953;1465940500;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474747 << nice to watch the experts and whatnot slowly finding their way through the world's digestive apparatus.
1482954;1465940500;a111;Logged on 2016-06-01 17:27 mircea_popescu: "She does stink and she should quit. But I don't want it to be because of me. It should be the  traditional route; years of rejections and failures till she's spit out the bottom of the porn industry."
1482955;1465940516;mircea_popescu;mcaffee today, titus steel tomorrow...
1482956;1465940523;asciilifeform;$s titus steel
1482957;1465940523;a111;2 results for "titus steel", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=titus%20steel
1482958;1465940538;asciilifeform;who the hell is that
1482959;1465940542;asciilifeform;nothing in the l0gz
1482960;1465940568;mircea_popescu;"Cu o cariera de peste 15 ani in industria filmelor porno, Titus Steel este, fara dar si poate, cel mai cunoscut actor roman din aceasta bransa"
1482961;1465940580;mircea_popescu;obscure ro pron actor.
1482962;1465940666;mircea_popescu;http://i0.1616.ro/media/441/2681/33707/15026388/1/61523906.jpg there.
1482963;1465940819;asciilifeform;yeah but why mircea_popescuine fatwa against this dude
1482964;1465941146;BingoBoingo;Why not?
1482965;1465941393;mircea_popescu;wait what ?
1482966;1465945074;BingoBoingo;Deez comments https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1107759
1482967;1465950264;mod6;so looks like openssl did change to https, and if you want to build with 'http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh', for the time being simply update the script by changing line 63 from:
1482968;1465950268;mod6;curl -s http://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
1482969;1465950271;mod6;to:
1482970;1465950283;mod6;curl -s https://openssl.org/source/old/1.0.1/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz -o distfiles/openssl-1.0.1g.tar.gz
1482971;1465950287;mod6;everything else stays the same.
1482972;1465950353;mod6;this is a temporary fix, and it's still on the agenda to get this resolved so we don't rely on remotely pulling down deps.  stay tuned.
1482973;1465950362;mircea_popescu;word
1482974;1465950905;asciilifeform;mod6: neato.
1482975;1465951238;shinohai;^ built
1482976;1465951538;mod6;thanks shinohai
1482977;1465956019;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, http://www.changedetection.com is apparently a thing.
1482978;1465957632;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1481878 << 'what is wot' is as common a question as any for noobs. might be worth adding to the list.
1482979;1465957633;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 01:33 mircea_popescu: ^ if anyone has suggestions...
1482980;1465957793;*;pete_dushenski tips cap for mega-thread on 'specification'. strongly considers memorialising on contravex
1482981;1465957820;pete_dushenski;in voice of levitan, obv.
1482982;1465958252;asciilifeform;lel
1482983;1465958434;pete_dushenski;http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2016/06/11/safe-spaces-at-harvard/ << in other lelz, 'cardboard on the floor' levels of retardation could just as well be in ba as ma.
1482984;1465958524;pete_dushenski;philg even includes nod to BingoBoingo's anti-mayobeetus campaign
1482985;1465958625;BingoBoingo;lol
1482986;1465958806;mircea_popescu;good point pete_dushenski
1482987;1465958872;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/zI6Yh#selection-433.0-433.82 << In Swedish Blondes
1482988;1465958981;mircea_popescu;ftr those cakes look fucking miserable.
1482989;1465959024;pete_dushenski;there is such a thing as dumb money
1482990;1465959191;mircea_popescu;lol angry swedish woman. nb.
1482991;1465959329;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/06/reverse-feeding-tube-latest-luxury-developed-for-mayogendered-lifestyle/#comment-61584
1482992;1465959355;mircea_popescu;annnnnd in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12_g_5SY3zw
1482993;1465959457;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: trilema q : how in the hell is every old log.b-a link now a btcbase.org link ?
1482994;1465959466;mircea_popescu;this is in the logs :)
1482995;1465959475;mircea_popescu;$s from:mircea "SELECT"
1482996;1465959475;a111;7 results for "from:mircea \"SELECT\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20%22SELECT%22
1482997;1465959499;pete_dushenski;damn
1482998;1465959526;mircea_popescu;make sure you touch all variants. http/https etc.
1482999;1465959682;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-23#1456293
1483000;1465959682;a111;Logged on 2016-04-23 02:06 mircea_popescu: update posts set post_content = REPLACE(post_content, 'a href="http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/','a href="http://btcbase.org/log/'); will go from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-01-2015#986007 to http://btcbase.org/log/?date=21-01-2015#986007
1483001;1465959720;pete_dushenski;sweetness
1483002;1465959738;mircea_popescu;fuck i searched for the wrong thing o.O
1483003;1465959923;mircea_popescu;speaking of mayo, http://67.media.tumblr.com/be10b3bba4d1aa836c0e7159ab25159b/tumblr_o5cq4nKKdq1uzx8ido4_250.gif
1483004;1465960104;pete_dushenski;funny, my son does the same thing with mushed banana
1483005;1465960117;mircea_popescu;hahaah yea.
1483006;1465960510;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://pp.vk.me/c636216/v636216329/1018c/a3teM2ELOb8.jpg << supposedly, the hole blown by police at orlando postal. notice the police bullet marks.
1483007;1465960511;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483008;1465960536;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Impressive
1483009;1465962673;pete_dushenski;http://en.people.cn/n3/2016/0614/c90000-9071896.html
1483010;1465962682;pete_dushenski;'ude pics as IOU: a new, risky online loan among Chinese university students'
1483011;1465962689;pete_dushenski;*'Nude'
1483012;1465962849;phf;bitcoin loan for tits
1483013;1465962867;pete_dushenski;another mp innovation
1483014;1465962981;pete_dushenski;http://fooledbyrandomness.com/AUBCommencement.pdf << one for fellow taleb fans : american university in beirut commencement speech
1483015;1465963004;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/06/lamestream-media-attacks-sanctity-of-marriage-and-inanimate-objects-after-orlando-shooting/
1483016;1465963059;deedbot;[Qntra] Lamestream Media Attacks Sanctity Of Marriage And Inanimate Objects After Orlando Shooting - http://qntra.net/2016/06/lamestream-media-attacks-sanctity-of-marriage-and-inanimate-objects-after-orlando-shooting/
1483017;1465963497;pete_dushenski;an hero is meeeee. (sql update on contravex is comprete).
1483018;1465963530;pete_dushenski;you guys are cool :)
1483019;1465964415;trinque;excellent article BingoBoingo
1483020;1465964423;BingoBoingo;ty trinque
1483021;1465964581;trinque;watching the "love will overcome" rhetoric flow in reaction to this, it boggles that gays are literally spouting christianity.
1483022;1465964650;trinque;the inclusive mind is a schizoid mind.
1483023;1465964719;BingoBoingo;Also the American right was half right. Sanctity of marrirage attacked, BUT from the legal side.
1483024;1465964733;*;BingoBoingo thinks danielpbarron may appreciate latest qntra.
1483025;1465964801;trinque;the govt must be able to break any rules if it means "just one person" (TM) (R) avoids discomfort
1483026;1465964848;BingoBoingo;lol
1483027;1465965726;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency brides
1483028;1465965727;gribble;Error: 'brides' is not a valid currency code.
1483029;1465979944;thestringpuller;;;later tell mod6 node is still stuck even after restart. it's wedged at 414073
1483030;1465979945;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483031;1465979950;thestringpuller;http://dpaste.com/1CJEY3T.txt ^^
1483032;1466001128;shinohai;http://europe.newsweek.com/isis-twitter-accounts-gay-porn-orlando-attacks-anonymous-470300?rm=eu <<<heh
1483033;1466001747;shinohai;http://www.coindesk.com/mcafee-security-blockchain-advisory-board/  <<oh boy
1483034;1466003226;asciilifeform;'McAfee was appointed as chairman and CEO of MGT Capital in May, causing a brief 1,000% surge in the publicly traded company’s stocks. Formerly a fantasy sports enterprise, the firm is in the process of being rebranded as John McAfee Global Technologies, Inc following McAfee's addition to the team.' << wat.
1483035;1466003273;asciilifeform;in other idiocies,
1483036;1466003286;asciilifeform;'On Friday, Secretary Penny Pritzker of the US Department of Commerce joined special assistant to the president for economic policy Adrienne Harris and other top White House officials for an event featuring a lecture from Brian Forde, director of digital currency initiative a the MIT Media Lab, and multiple panels on financial technology more generally speaking. Hosted at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, the executive branch
1483037;1466003286;asciilifeform; of the US government invited "senior administration officials" and "stakeholders" from financial institutions, startups and academia for the half-day event, called the White House Fintech Summit, according to the invitation.'
1483038;1466006925;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1483039;1466006927;gribble;Current Blocks: 416423 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 888 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 8 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1483040;1466006966;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/EyHBLo.jpg
1483041;1466007291;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lame duck government.
1483042;1466007344;mircea_popescu;much more interesting is what weird marine lepen-like notions re bitcoin float about under the trump rug.
1483043;1466007454;asciilifeform;i dun see the man as having even vague chance
1483044;1466007784;mircea_popescu;he seems the favourite actually.
1483045;1466007816;mircea_popescu;anyway, nobody cares what the woman thinks. she's not liable to touch it either way, 8 more years of obama.
1483046;1466007872;asciilifeform;888888, if they could.
1483047;1466007880;mircea_popescu;aha.
1483048;1466007884;mircea_popescu;that's the plan.
1483049;1466008251;deedbot;[Trilema] Sensitivity! Human Rights! Democracy! - http://trilema.com/2016/sensitivity-human-rights-democracy/
1483050;1466010516;BingoBoingo;Reddit encounters children https://archive.is/MtsfB
1483051;1466011657;asciilifeform;in other not-even-slightly-news,
1483052;1466011659;asciilifeform;http://www.diane-neisius.de/fusor/index_E.html
1483053;1466011677;asciilifeform;( BingoBoingo , for instance, might find here http://www.diane-neisius.de/alpha_vax/index.html of moar interest )
1483054;1466011684;asciilifeform;plenty of good stuff.
1483055;1466011707;BingoBoingo;ty asciilifeform
1483056;1466013321;shinohai;http://bigstory.ap.org/article/7d26354496c344169964e6915ee06d37/argentine-ex-official-detained-over-bags-cash?
1483057;1466013330;shinohai;in a monastery yet
1483058;1466013474;BingoBoingo;From the mines: "I manage 2nd level escalations for a call center. I've trained my team to identify this type of person, and intentionally give them an inconsequential fight before agreeing. It actually leads to faster time to resolution and something like a 10% reduction in overall handle time."
1483059;1466013527;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: heh
1483060;1466013841;asciilifeform;'"He later told the nuns that police had tried to steal the money that he was trying to donate," Ritondo said. "There are dollars, yen, euros and a currency from Qatar ... It's a lot of money." He did not give an exact amount because the money was still being counted.' << l0l
1483061;1466014930;phf;asciilifeform: that's a beautiful page
1483062;1466014936;asciilifeform;sure is!
1483063;1466015078;asciilifeform;i remember when the ~whole www looked like this.
1483064;1466015193;phf;of course
1483065;1466015545;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli
1483066;1466015551;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
1483067;1466015562;felipelalli;hi BingoBoingo! Great article.
1483068;1466015569;BingoBoingo;thank you
1483069;1466016956;mircea_popescu;shinohai the socialists (partido justicialista, kirschner's people) had been i npower for decades. the change to other group of thieves (the us-soviets, macri & co) was full of animosity as you'd expect, and now that they're in power the looting proceeds at a feverish pace.
1483070;1466017124;BingoBoingo;Looters looting looters, oh my.
1483071;1466018719;mircea_popescu;aha.
1483072;1466018762;mircea_popescu;was a thing before where they stole ~200 cars some dude was keeping in storage on his own farm in the deserted inner argentina, because "obviously" they didn't belong to him "really".
1483073;1466018779;mircea_popescu;imagine the sort of imbecile orc ruler that "saves" in fucking cars.
1483074;1466018820;BingoBoingo;seriously, storing cars in a way that they don't rot and can run when you take them out of storage is a challenge
1483075;1466019225;mircea_popescu;quite. and the pampa is very windy.
1483076;1466019461;BingoBoingo;Not like a rifle you can just stuff full of cosmoline. Car has more tubes to get cosmoline out of later.
1483077;1466019616;*;BingoBoingo kind of surprised Kohler doesn't to his knowledge make rifles
1483078;1466019716;BingoBoingo;Kohler seems to do a decent job making toilets, motors, and all sorts of other tub based products.
1483079;1466021678;BingoBoingo;Que the shitgnomes https://archive.is/tqDVv
1483080;1466022818;deedbot;[Qntra] Facebook Exec: "it will be probably all video" In 5 Years - http://qntra.net/2016/06/facebook-exec-it-will-be-probably-all-video-in-5-years/
1483081;1466023048;phf;half of the symbolics schematics are signed off by "v. popescu"
1483082;1466023065;asciilifeform;speaking of which
1483083;1466023069;asciilifeform;phf: can haz scans ?
1483084;1466023120;phf;i'm massaging them, i should be done within a month or so
1483085;1466023647;mircea_popescu;and add "invidious" to the list of terms the web can't define.
1483086;1466023683;asciilifeform;in other news, http://www.wacotrib.com/romania-court-rules-revolution-probe-will-be-reopened/article_6a61f2e6-d602-5b76-ae34-471e13cd61a9.html
1483087;1466023696;asciilifeform;'BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) — A Romanian court has ruled that an investigation into the 1989 revolution where 1,104 people died can be reopened. Romania has been criticized for failing to investigate the revolution, where mainly unarmed demonstrators were shot dead around Romania from Dec. 17-30 as they protested against Communist leader Nicolae Ceausescu.'
1483088;1466023701;mircea_popescu;it doesn't mean whatever random crap google returns. invidious is the opposite of pious : when one who is inferior, instead of worshipping his superior, instead fancies himself his superior's equal.
1483089;1466023729;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy's dead so now they can convict him, i guess.
1483090;1466023743;asciilifeform;no word re the american snipers in bucharest '89, or moscow '93, or venezuela '02, ...., ...
1483091;1466023752;mircea_popescu;they were lebanese!
1483092;1466023756;asciilifeform;lel.
1483093;1466023763;mircea_popescu;the press said at the time
1483094;1466023769;mircea_popescu;terrorists from syria and lebanon!
1483095;1466023778;asciilifeform;shooting crowd in bucharest aha.
1483096;1466023794;mircea_popescu;dun worry about it too much though, the russian assraped the us undercover folks something fierce.
1483097;1466023837;asciilifeform;how's that
1483098;1466023874;mircea_popescu;cuz they came in, with ~exact knowledge of who's who, and rolled up just about all of em.
1483099;1466023914;mircea_popescu;i doubt any of them was ever heard from again. but hey, sikrits.
1483100;1466023959;asciilifeform;somehow this did not damper the recruitment of new ones, every year, to shoot the crowd in new cities
1483101;1466023980;asciilifeform;'we control vertical and horizontal!' (tm) (r)
1483102;1466024149;mircea_popescu;there's ~500 mn idiots without anything to do with themselves. finding a few hundred a year to do this is no particularly notable feat.
1483103;1466024156;mircea_popescu;even the broom shoots once etc.
1483104;1466024192;asciilifeform;tru.
1483105;1466024275;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, teh us foreign service is sharply divided : either work for nsa & co, for very little money doing very stupid/boring shit ; or else work for dea & co for as much money as you can steal, doing rather stupid exciting shit that will 28% get you killed.
1483106;1466024318;ben_vulpes;there's also lockheed martin for a notbad bundle and zero risk
1483107;1466024331;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: there is also being an accountant, what of it
1483108;1466024332;mircea_popescu;you have to actually have abilities for that.
1483109;1466024340;mircea_popescu;i was discussing the sewage drains.
1483110;1466024361;ben_vulpes;http://www.jqpublicblog.com/twelve-years-us-air-force-complaints-investigations-disappear-database-crash/ << one needn't even be competent!
1483111;1466024382;mircea_popescu;i guess the only way the tits are going over time is down.
1483112;1466024463;asciilifeform;http://www.jqpublicblog.com/fascist-internet-police-threaten-those-who-expose-generals-wastefulness << from same rag, lulzy
1483113;1466024504;asciilifeform;'The photo above was posted recently to JQP Facebook as a means of commenting on the exorbitant waste of the Air Force’s multiple annual gatherings of its grand poobahs. Their gatherings, nicknamed “Corona” conferences, drain money, time, focus, and manpower from an already depleted Air Force in order to swaddle the service’s generals in the comfort of Earthly deification as they absorb formal dinners and presentations adding
1483114;1466024504;asciilifeform; marginal value but inflating their already bloated sense of self-importance. In response to one of these posts, the individual’s active duty Air Force chain of command, based at Wright-Patterson, placed him under investigation, barred him from his workplace, and ordered him to cease commenting on JQP.'
1483115;1466024531;asciilifeform;~same flavour as leonid brezhnev's big hunts.
1483116;1466024550;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the best part ? "whole the USAF doesn't suspect foul play". fancy this wonder.
1483117;1466024572;mircea_popescu;"database lost" ; "it contained all sorts of incriminating evidence". clearly, no foul play. because this can happen now.
1483118;1466024579;ben_vulpes;right?
1483119;1466024582;ben_vulpes;tis a marvel
1483120;1466024583;asciilifeform;and backup is not a thing.
1483121;1466024586;mircea_popescu;insanity.
1483122;1466024603;ben_vulpes;well, at this time!
1483123;1466024603;mircea_popescu;and these people seriously expect to be treated differently from asphalt scrape ? why ? how ?
1483124;1466024607;ben_vulpes;they may change their mind, you see.
1483125;1466024615;mircea_popescu;"legal proceedings" ? what the ever loving fuck, go back to the trees.
1483126;1466024634;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes ie, should outrage force them to get off their asses, they don't want to admit they changed course.
1483127;1466024682;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform basically "we're poor and everyone else should be poor also" usian invidy ?
1483128;1466024738;ben_vulpes;the no backups thing is ultralarious
1483129;1466024743;ben_vulpes;> no backups
1483130;1466024752;ben_vulpes;> responsible for plans for 'cutting edge' us jets
1483131;1466024759;ben_vulpes;gimmeafugginbreak
1483132;1466024778;mircea_popescu;forget the plans, that's just engineering. THEY LOST THE ONLY COPY OF PROOF OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
1483133;1466024779;ben_vulpes;i ain't even mad anymore, just amused, and pleased at how easily the whole thing should melt apart.
1483134;1466024813;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: so they're pathetic stoolies, what of it. what else have they been for decades?
1483135;1466024832;mircea_popescu;well... let them admit it.
1483136;1466024843;ben_vulpes;they just did, to anyone with half a brain
1483137;1466024853;mircea_popescu;btw, i think this is actually rather qntrable, if you feel like it.
1483138;1466024855;ben_vulpes;unfortunately there are like 12 functioning brains wandering around north america
1483139;1466024862;ben_vulpes;hm
1483140;1466024867;mircea_popescu;yes, but that excludes themselves. let them admit it TO THEMSELVES.
1483141;1466024895;ben_vulpes;there's nobody to cane them into accepting the reality of the world.
1483142;1466025811;mircea_popescu;i guess the other point here is that no, the f-whatever ain't ever gonna fly.
1483143;1466025828;asciilifeform;it 'flies' every bit as much as every other machine.
1483144;1466025834;asciilifeform;as money furnace.
1483145;1466025940;asciilifeform;and plenty adequate for dropping rockets on sand monkeys armed with peashooter.
1483146;1466025970;mircea_popescu;just as long as the russians, the chinese and the republic each received its respective tax.
1483147;1466026043;asciilifeform;hence the resurrected 'missile shield' derpage - usg is again seeing the appeal of first strike
1483148;1466026067;mircea_popescu;let it derp all it wants, after it paid what it owes.
1483149;1466026094;asciilifeform;wake me up when it pays a cent.
1483150;1466026254;mircea_popescu;this may be the most amusing argument a taxpayer might ever present
1483151;1466026267;mircea_popescu;"your honor, i've been delinquent in my obligations, therefore i don't have them"
1483152;1466026641;asciilifeform;works great for the moneyprinter state.
1483153;1466026717;mircea_popescu;not so. so far they're paying through the nose, a good two thirds of anything their subjects consume being the usg's own contribution.
1483154;1466031212;BingoBoingo;Move to argentina http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4613
1483155;1466031727;mircea_popescu;lol @ antpool.
1483156;1466032043;BingoBoingo;What did they do nao?
1483157;1466032060;mircea_popescu;some inept bitco.in drama about how they got buttraped.
1483158;1466032064;BingoBoingo;lol
1483159;1466032339;BingoBoingo;$up fiddlerwoaroof
1483160;1466032346;BingoBoingo;$up MrPPS
1483161;1466032349;deedbot;fiddlerwoaroof voiced for 30 minutes.
1483162;1466032350;deedbot;MrPPS voiced for 30 minutes.
1483163;1466032836;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1483164;1466032841;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 692.39, vol: 5749.56308949 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 670.508, vol: 4929.09341 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 694.02, vol: 34013.18123689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 702.92856, vol: 45231.16920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 692.606, vol: 1901.11412325 | Volume-weighted last average: 697.014766234
1483165;1466033093;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477855 << actually research done by ECL people claims that mocl is derivative of this project http://www.informatik.uni-kiel.de/~wg/clicc.html (via https://common-lisp.net/project/ecl/static/quarterly/img/vol4/all-hierarchy.png)
1483166;1466033093;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 01:28 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-03#1475432 << i've used it, and the wukix people are responsive to feature requests. i think the source is a fork of one of kyoto common lisp derivatives, probably akcl. fwiw it's the same lineage as gcl and ecl, so ascii's "why not compile ecl" is entirely reasonable
1483167;1466034599;asciilifeform;in other lulz, https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc
1483168;1466034638;asciilifeform;( https://archive.is/pmp83 )
1483169;1466034669;shinohai;oh the lulz in the logs today.
1483170;1466034686;mircea_popescu;i'm guessing this is good for fiat ?
1483171;1466034748;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wtf, 1.doc
1483172;1466034750;mircea_popescu;ridoinculous.
1483173;1466034758;asciilifeform;nfi
1483174;1466034967;asciilifeform;'misogynist in chief' << l0l!
1483175;1466035362;asciilifeform;'Shut down the mechanisms used to transmit criminal profits by shutting down untraceable Internet payment schemes.' << from 'secret' doc's section on 'cyber policy'
1483176;1466035385;asciilifeform;( https://guccifer2.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/4.doc )
1483177;1466035516;mircea_popescu;is anyone qntraing the guccifer thing ? speak now else i'm gonna
1483178;1466035600;asciilifeform;fire at will
1483179;1466035624;asciilifeform;not bad idea to mirror, also.
1483180;1466035634;asciilifeform;prolly will vanish within hours.
1483181;1466035747;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> is anyone qntraing the guccifer thing ? speak now else i'm gonna << I'm going to sleep. If you qntra it I'll publish upon waking
1483182;1466035763;mircea_popescu;plox hang on for half an our
1483183;1466035766;mircea_popescu;this is kinda important.
1483184;1466036576;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/475b4e02-83c9-4c90-8e8d-c3d125aa158d/
1483185;1466036609;BingoBoingo;digesting
1483186;1466036771;mircea_popescu;ty.
1483187;1466036843;mircea_popescu;anyway. time to shut down hillary clinton's political aspirations.
1483188;1466036899;*;asciilifeform doesn't see an easy, 'just add water!' clitler cure in there
1483189;1466037058;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Adding some links to extant qntra
1483190;1466037287;BingoBoingo;published
1483191;1466037363;asciilifeform;what happened to mirror.
1483192;1466037365;asciilifeform;srsly
1483193;1466037383;deedbot;[Qntra] Clinton And Major Socialist Party Data Released By Hero - http://qntra.net/2016/06/clinton-and-major-socialist-party-data-released-by-hero/
1483194;1466037394;asciilifeform;that thing will stay up until the hornet's nest clocks in tomorrow morning, at the latest.
1483195;1466037684;BingoBoingo;Perhaps MP is saving the mirror and gloating for a Trilema post?
1483196;1466037695;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/TdH   <<< edit fir lulz if needed
1483197;1466037695;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483198;1466037947;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai
1483199;1466037973;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I think that's a new record for time to qntra post being linked by another qntra post.
1483200;1466037982;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep
1483201;1466038054;deedbot;[Qntra] US Air Force Fraud Investigations Lost - http://qntra.net/2016/06/us-air-force-fraud-investigations-lost/
1483202;1466038149;asciilifeform;motherfucker HAD TO put all the docs in buncha js soup
1483203;1466038263;asciilifeform;anyway i got a copy. for whoever needs later.
1483204;1466038904;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo win!
1483205;1466038951;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anything other than wget -m ?
1483206;1466038982;mircea_popescu;"31 files, 467k in 1.9s"
1483207;1466039078;mircea_popescu;oops. i mean... wget -mp is the correct format! who knew :p
1483208;1466039463;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: won't work
1483209;1466039471;mircea_popescu;i just noticed it doesn't grab files. wtf ?
1483210;1466039478;asciilifeform;aha.
1483211;1466039485;asciilifeform;js soup
1483212;1466039512;mircea_popescu;nope.
1483213;1466039530;mircea_popescu;they're on a different domain, as per wordpress idiocy. and wget is apparently written by imbeciles.
1483214;1466039547;mircea_popescu;wget -mpr --domains=guccifer2.wordpress.com,guccifer2.files.wordpress.com https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc/ STILL doesn't get the files
1483215;1466039550;mircea_popescu;which is not acceptabru.
1483216;1466039613;shinohai;;;later tell http://ix.io/Ted  << re: changetip
1483217;1466039613;gribble;Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
1483218;1466039623;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo  http://ix.io/Ted  << re: changetip
1483219;1466039624;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483220;1466039633;mircea_popescu;http://superuser.com/questions/827002/mirror-a-blog-with-wget << one of numerous instances of people asking / complaining about the idiocy.
1483221;1466039655;shinohai;curl forevah
1483222;1466039673;mircea_popescu;i thought wget was supposed to be FOR THIS.
1483223;1466039851;mircea_popescu;aha! found it.
1483224;1466039860;mircea_popescu;wget -Hmpr --domains=guccifer2.wordpress.com,guccifer2.files.wordpress.com https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc/ is the pill.
1483225;1466039887;mircea_popescu;52 files, 9.6M
1483226;1466040337;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo we prolly should have a rule as to the maximum wordcount for an a href anchor.
1483227;1466041281;shinohai;Simply exclude href wordcount?
1483228;1466041305;mircea_popescu;i just mean, blue underlined text should be maybe 2-3-4 words not 20+
1483229;1466041369;shinohai;i just mean to me it makes no sense to include href as wordcount
1483230;1466041384;shinohai;tis how linkfarms are created!
1483231;1466042370;mod6;thestringpuller: so, one thing i can tell for sure from your dpaste is that you're not running the latest trb tree.
1483232;1466042714;mod6;not sure what else might be the problem there though.
1483233;1466042912;shinohai;it seems to be working for me, was gonna try an arch install tomorrow
1483234;1466043103;thestringpuller;i'm not but it ~was~ working
1483235;1466043108;thestringpuller;why did it wedge there?
1483236;1466043305;mod6;not sure.
1483237;1466043319;mod6;mine is happily running along past that block. mine is fully caught up.
1483238;1466043342;mod6;do you have the cutblock code in your build?
1483239;1466043366;thestringpuller;how can I output my current tree with v.pl?
1483240;1466043389;mod6;./v.pl f
1483241;1466043424;mod6;that'll tell me what is in your patches dir, but not necessarily what you actually built.  you haven't said yet what you built or how.
1483242;1466043453;mod6;since your version shows 50400, it makes me inclined to think that you have some downlevel version since it should say 99999 if you have the latest.
1483243;1466043454;thestringpuller;i built with stator
1483244;1466043464;mod6;any particular reason?
1483245;1466043469;thestringpuller;no
1483246;1466043470;thestringpuller;lol
1483247;1466043482;mod6;i would try building with the latest and see.
1483248;1466043525;thestringpuller;http://dpaste.com/3T730DW.txt
1483249;1466043533;thestringpuller;what additional patches do i need to add?
1483250;1466043583;mod6;follow these steps if need be: http://wiki.deedbot.org/The%20Real%20Bitcoin
1483251;1466043597;mod6;and you will ~also~ need to do this: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1482967
1483252;1466043598;a111;Logged on 2016-06-15 00:24 mod6: so looks like openssl did change to https, and if you want to build with 'http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-V99995.sh', for the time being simply update the script by changing line 63 from:
1483253;1466043614;mod6;follow the steps in that log link.
1483254;1466043767;thestringpuller;how can I check what pathces have been applied?
1483255;1466043972;thestringpuller;okay nvm i see it's manually been applied
1483256;1466043999;mod6;if you use the script referenced above, it'll verbosely print out the patches being applied.  which you can log into a file.
1483257;1466044016;thestringpuller;yea just saw that
1483258;1466044021;thestringpuller;everythign was applied
1483259;1466044025;thestringpuller;okay i'll add the new patch sets
1483260;1466044029;thestringpuller;i wonder what broke....
1483261;1466044035;thestringpuller;lemme try one last thign
1483262;1466044104;mod6;not sure.  was this the same blockchain that you've been using with this same build?  that error you recieved makes me think something got munged.
1483263;1466044147;thestringpuller;fuck
1483264;1466044151;thestringpuller;i had an updated one for a while
1483265;1466044154;thestringpuller;then that happened
1483266;1466044161;thestringpuller;i better not have to resync
1483267;1466044163;thestringpuller;i'ma be so angry
1483268;1466044808;shinohai;i can haz lasers ?
1483269;1466044830;phf;pew pew
1483270;1466044867;thestringpuller;;;laser kittens
1483271;1466044867;gribble;Error: "laser" is not a valid command.
1483272;1466044870;thestringpuller;;;lasers kittens
1483273;1466044871;gribble;┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
1483274;1466047013;mircea_popescu;so, sadly but apparently unavoidable : who wants to re-do btcalpha wot explorer ?
1483275;1466047368;phf;is there public deedbot dump somewhere?
1483276;1466047560;phf;there used to be that sql dump, and then i think trinque started giving out sql logins to his wot postgresql server, is how wot data access progressed?
1483277;1466048719;asciilifeform;;;seen mike_c
1483278;1466048720;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #trilema 7 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 43 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
1483279;1466048731;asciilifeform;truly awol ?
1483280;1466048735;asciilifeform;or... kakotronic ??
1483281;1466048955;phf;asciilifeform: you don't hang out there anymore?
1483282;1466048964;asciilifeform;where ?
1483283;1466048980;asciilifeform;#b-a ? logged in still, but he ain't there iirc
1483284;1466048985;phf;ah
1483285;1466048987;asciilifeform;or at least not actively.
1483286;1466049017;asciilifeform;(he's logged in, theoretically, here ~and~ there. but so was, until recently, artifexd)
1483287;1466049060;asciilifeform;<asciilifeform> ;;seen mike_c
1483288;1466049060;asciilifeform;<gribble> mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 14 minutes, and 43 seconds ago: <mike_c> I was like "are all the ratings hosed??"
1483289;1466049065;asciilifeform;^ for compleeetness.
1483290;1466049135;asciilifeform;'... and then one day, he rode away, and where he dwelleth - none can say; for into darkness fell his star - in mordor, where the shadows lie.' (tm) (r) (jrrt)
1483291;1466049198;phf;bunch of people went a plague o' both your houses
1483292;1466049222;asciilifeform;dunno about 'bunch'
1483293;1466049229;asciilifeform;most of the folks who aren't here - are still there.
1483294;1466049241;phf;oh i see
1483295;1466049366;phf;i stopped following the other side, because it was a daily dose of "if you want to suck mp cock you know where to find it"
1483296;1466049432;mircea_popescu;phf afaik yeah, trinque will give you a sql link
1483297;1466049479;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, guy has a job, a wife and a child. who knows what trouble besets the man.
1483298;1466049497;phf;which i always thought is a pretty poor rhetoric tactic ever since i encountered it in like 6th grade
1483299;1466049516;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes has wives, children, jobs, does ok
1483300;1466049523;mircea_popescu;phf it's very hard to differentiate oneself when oneself has nothing to offer. forced mistake, what else to do other than.
1483301;1466049543;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "but for the grace of god there goes i" or how did that quote go.
1483302;1466049575;asciilifeform;i suppose
1483303;1466049614;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483243 << wyyyyyy
1483304;1466049614;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 02:17 thestringpuller: i built with stator
1483305;1466052578;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A brief discourse on specification. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/15/a-brief-discourse-on-specification/
1483306;1466055328;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 10976761628737 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Mirko Gmyrek | x-quture netservice UG (mbH) <m.gmyrek@x-quture.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B731C95FA850A5B27F1A5FC534AA85C6768AF95600A3F1DEC3A63E78F0AA48C9
1483307;1466061736;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1483308;1466061741;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 731.98, vol: 11178.94029119 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 700.15, vol: 10421.63378 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 734.02, vol: 84201.08057663 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 3.6406797 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 736.8669, vol: 61319.81620000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 730.1, vol: 3164.44414108 | Volume-weighted last average: 732.764292434
1483309;1466062778;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1553809262733 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Cacho Page (Gmail cachov2) <cachov2@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/40EC4D973DB7A02863E11105863DC26D14570BA0723C48152F81B25EBD59132E
1483310;1466063204;deedbot;[Qntra] Acquihired Changetip Can't Unload Actual Changetip "Business" - http://qntra.net/2016/06/acquihired-changetip-cant-unload-actual-changetip-business/
1483311;1466079243;thestringpuller;mod6: hmm. it looks like my chain b0rked after 405...
1483312;1466079292;thestringpuller;i preserved the chain, and the bitcoind that built it. so what i'll do is get another disk, try to start from scratch with that build, and see if it wedges at the same place.
1483313;1466084249;Framedragger;asciilifeform: is there a 'stable' algorithm / spec for deriving phuctor's hash / permalink? you'd mentioned before that it "includes the entire key - names, emails, ~all~ subkeys."
1483314;1466084290;Framedragger;for example say i have some public key available. is there a way for me to derive phuctor's permalink for that key (acknowledging that the permalink may not be active yet, i.e. phuctor does not even know of the pubkey etc) ?
1483315;1466084372;Framedragger;the latter would be quite useful - i may spin up some simple analysis thingie which shows info for those ssh keys, and it'd be nice to be able to link to corresponding phuctor entries
1483316;1466084563;asciilifeform;Framedragger: there is not, currently, but i can clean up and post a script later. for the time being you can easily get the hash by submitting key to phuctor.
1483317;1466084748;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf log is deed
1483318;1466084749;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483319;1466084752;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf log is dead
1483320;1466084753;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483321;1466085416;Framedragger;asciilifeform: kk, thanks, a script (or some description) would be useful!
1483322;1466086605;mircea_popescu;yeah that's a good point Framedragger
1483323;1466086720;Framedragger;not a big deal at all tho of course, useful for laters and for future exploitations and analysis infrastructure though
1483324;1466086780;mircea_popescu;it is kind of a big deal. asciilifeform there must be a standard. this "submit key" thing doesn't work if for instance he's trying to dump 2mn static html pages into a website.
1483325;1466086823;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: about to post proggy, momentarily
1483326;1466086826;mircea_popescu;Framedragger there's also nothing wrong with trying to package it for b2b and beat in the marketplace those derps mentioned in the log days ago. i don't personally think there's a market there, but maybe i'm missing a crease. teh republic'd support you in any case.
1483327;1466086829;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform win.
1483328;1466086905;mircea_popescu;(is it gonna be lisp ?)
1483329;1466086916;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah not the worst idea, i too think there may be not much of a market there though, but who knows.. good to know, if i ever come to consider b2b plans more seriously
1483330;1466086965;mircea_popescu;generally, the fiat of the fiat state must be leached away from its crippled hands. very generally. what way one goes to accomplish this... well, that's why the one is one.
1483331;1466086979;Framedragger;i guess right now i'm more curious to see general statistics / trends, e.g. distribution of ssh server versions per given geo region / AS etc., not that it may be too useful, but just genuinely curious
1483332;1466087011;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: can't disagree with you there
1483333;1466087015;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, Framedragger, et al : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c06000f7-e785-4388-8328-f43f90055283/?raw=true
1483334;1466087022;Framedragger;that was fast :)
1483335;1466087027;Framedragger;asciilifeform: cheers
1483336;1466087031;asciilifeform;go,try.
1483337;1466087044;asciilifeform;~no error checking tho.
1483338;1466087057;mircea_popescu;yeah, if you get imagemagik installed (lol!) there's a bunch of interesting visual stuff. quick way to jumpstart a blog, socialmedia exists ~out of this.
1483339;1466087057;mircea_popescu;and a blog is a valuable and important asset for the adult man.
1483340;1466087066;asciilifeform;also i left some of the pieces used by phuctor in, in case whoever wants to experiment.
1483341;1466087078;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform an idea here would be to make a soft commitment to publish all cannonical code in lisp implementations.
1483342;1466087084;mircea_popescu;not obligatory, just, something to strive to.
1483343;1466087098;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah wait lol: i'd be parsing ssh rsa keys, not pgp keys - different format - though also base64 etc. i'll check!
1483344;1466087100;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: would be. but i never finished my cl rewrite of phuctor.
1483345;1466087111;asciilifeform;the whole rfc4880 parser has to be rewritten.
1483346;1466087121;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: good advice, thanks
1483347;1466087179;mircea_popescu;and here's a two stroke engine to get the day started in gear. http://67.media.tumblr.com/c4a6298582c76943b282e9b85b59de44/tumblr_nukg7cFcjI1tvvddjo1_500.gif
1483348;1466087179;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, just saying as a horizon thing.
1483349;1466087180;asciilifeform;Framedragger: phuctor only eats rfc4880 keys. strictly.
1483350;1466087183;mircea_popescu;(you can write two pages of cannonical implementation in lisp even if your actual implementation that you use is in py/c/whatever. make it a sort of official lingua franca of coding, is my idea.)
1483351;1466087200;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: realize that the routine posted earlier uses all of rfc4880.
1483352;1466087208;asciilifeform;which is definitely not two pages of anything.
1483353;1466087209;mircea_popescu;i just did looking at it.
1483354;1466087213;asciilifeform;aha.
1483355;1466087218;mircea_popescu;could mock it out!
1483356;1466087221;asciilifeform;lel
1483357;1466087224;mircea_popescu;:D
1483358;1466087229;mircea_popescu;aaaanyway. just a stray thought.
1483359;1466087304;asciilifeform;from the dept. of loltronics: http://triggerwarning.us/critiquing-the-future-with-bruce-sterling
1483360;1466087317;mircea_popescu;omfg log is dead
1483361;1466087332;asciilifeform;for umpteenth time..
1483362;1466087334;asciilifeform;'he blackhat scene is always riddled with informants.  The only thing a Darknet guy likes better than darknetting is ratting somebody else out.  All hackers aspire to an upgrade to spook.  Hackers have no shut-your-mouth “omerta,” so whenever they get arrested they’ll brag to the authorities for 72 hours straight.  They’ll even draw helpful little flowcharts for the cops.'
1483363;1466087341;asciilifeform;*the
1483364;1466087384;shinohai;so10K causes the BitGold pyramid to collapse under weight.
1483365;1466087390;mircea_popescu;guy has a solid point. there's nothing new in this world except for hte history you didn't know etc.
1483366;1466087399;asciilifeform;whole thing lulzy
1483367;1466087411;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform a look, global warming idiot. /me moves on.
1483368;1466087414;asciilifeform;'... bitcoin is for suckers ... mtgox'
1483369;1466087429;Framedragger;asciilifeform: gotcha. i have thing which converts ssh pubkey format to e,N,IP. i'll probably have a thing which generates rfc4880 (inserting ip address as comment field, say) from e,N,IP. thanks!
1483370;1466087447;mircea_popescu;no wonder he's being promoted. by now, the moment i see lamestream going "X is a Y" the ~only thing i think about is that if Y = bitcoin, they'd be saying x=gavin.
1483371;1466087449;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fella is a well-known dead tree sf author on this side of the ocean.
1483372;1466087463;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform because you people have ~no taste and read shit spread on paper.
1483373;1466087472;*;asciilifeform doesn't buy him
1483374;1466087475;asciilifeform;but yes
1483375;1466087482;mircea_popescu;psa : genre fiction is not fiction, it's those merchandise tags and labels that ran long for the space.
1483376;1466087491;mircea_popescu;fucking copywriters a) aren't writers and b) aren't people.
1483377;1466087535;mircea_popescu;you want to buy a "genre fiction" novel, buy fifty cans of campbell soup and read the labels in succession. same shit.
1483378;1466087544;mircea_popescu;plus you get some delicious canned soup out of the deal.
1483379;1466087550;asciilifeform;hey '50s american sf was readable
1483380;1466087553;asciilifeform;e.g., sheckley.
1483381;1466087561;asciilifeform;asimov, et al.
1483382;1466087565;mircea_popescu;it ain't the 50s anymore, dorothyform.
1483383;1466087587;*;Framedragger likes greg egan (hard scifi)
1483384;1466087597;Framedragger;australian d00d
1483385;1466087613;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i have his complete worx here.
1483386;1466087621;Framedragger;niiice.
1483387;1466087634;asciilifeform;'I know what militant leftist political correctness actually does in reality.  It’s got nothing to do with SJW’s sobbing over transgender rights and everything to do with having your door kicked in with KGB jackboots at four in the morning.'
1483388;1466087644;*;Framedragger still hasn't read schild's ladder. prolly need accompanying graph theory textbook
1483389;1466087651;mircea_popescu;" All hackers aspire to an upgrade to spook." <<< ahahaha. "all barbarian lords aspire to colonus status". fucking bs. foederati had superior legal status to "colonus servusque". much like black dudes in the us have superior status to white office drones.
1483390;1466087681;asciilifeform;bears in the woods, superior still !
1483391;1466087691;mircea_popescu;check out the inept agitprop bullshit. NOBODY wants to be "a spook", and for most people, including cashiers and waitresses, this move isn't an upgrade.
1483392;1466087696;asciilifeform;the ticks on the bears - even moar.
1483393;1466087696;mircea_popescu;less money, shittier work.
1483394;1466087706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mno, not in that vein at all.
1483395;1466087719;mircea_popescu;the roman "citizen" is the basis of the european slave class.
1483396;1466087728;mircea_popescu;the barbarian is the basis of the european minor nobility.
1483397;1466087766;mircea_popescu;as late empire turned to medieval times, colonus -> peasantry and foederatus -> yeomanry.
1483398;1466087820;mircea_popescu;(with any luck, slave's kid could become knave, ie, 4th rank in the army, below yeoman, squire and knights in that order.)
1483399;1466087910;asciilifeform;sterling had point tho - can't get 20 people in a room without a stool pigeon
1483400;1466087930;mircea_popescu;for anyone and anything.
1483401;1466087967;asciilifeform;hm?
1483402;1466088211;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's basically saying "can't get a proper meal assembled without getting a bacteria in there. if it's clean it's an industrial product nobody wants to eat, if it's made properly, well!". this is true, but also irrelevant, the bacteria are everywhere but they aren't specifically dedicated to a cause through being bacteria. they're not typhus specifically.
1483403;1466088236;mircea_popescu;now, man beset with lots of typhus may end up thinking so, "they're all the same", etc. but this is not exactly thinking in the proper sense, more like emotional lashing out.
1483404;1466088422;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo " since it's sale to Airbnb" << its.
1483405;1466088731;Framedragger;asciilifeform: script worx, much thanks!
1483406;1466088908;asciilifeform;Framedragger: yw
1483407;1466088977;Framedragger;asciilifeform: do you think it's a sensible idea to try and convert ssh public keys into rfc4880, and then submit them to phuctor (possibly in bulk)? or is that something i should leave to you?
1483408;1466089215;mircea_popescu;phuctor gotta move to tmsr format not teh other way round. give the guy a moment,
1483409;1466089390;Framedragger;heheh
1483410;1466089436;Framedragger;yeh i'll be patient and will meanwhile muck around with what i've collected
1483411;1466089824;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: phuctor is, originally, ~specifically~ about pgp keys, ~verbatim~, as found in the wild forest. any other thing will have to be a new gadget.
1483412;1466089902;asciilifeform;they are stored as-found. so they can be shat back out and compared to extant key elsewhere etc.
1483413;1466089937;asciilifeform;log still dead, incidentally.
1483414;1466089955;asciilifeform;does phf host it on a dial-up or what.
1483415;1466090061;asciilifeform;Framedragger: fundamentally anybody should feel free to submit whatever to phuctor.
1483416;1466090098;asciilifeform;it will go ~slightly~ faster if i dump'em in, in bulk, but understand - i do not have the time presently to write any serious adjunct to phuctor
1483417;1466090535;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so write it a convertor. it's strategically stupid to make "a new gadget".
1483418;1466090541;asciilifeform;jurov wrote one.
1483419;1466090548;asciilifeform;posted last week iirc.
1483420;1466090552;mircea_popescu;he wrote it TO tmsr format iirc.
1483421;1466090559;asciilifeform;2way
1483422;1466090566;mircea_popescu;a nice then. so put it in.
1483423;1466090591;asciilifeform;thing is, pgp key includes more info than simply 'modulus, email'
1483424;1466090594;asciilifeform;it also has self-sigs.
1483425;1466090602;asciilifeform;where am i to get these ?
1483426;1466090610;mircea_popescu;leave blank.
1483427;1466090646;asciilifeform;understand, if i were to switch phuctor to storing IN this format, NO key it spits out will ever be eatable by gpg.
1483428;1466090649;asciilifeform;which is dumb.
1483429;1466090658;mircea_popescu;we're back to this ?
1483430;1466090662;asciilifeform;apparently?
1483431;1466090737;mircea_popescu;it is the height of ridiculous for you to tell me that "my program is so fucking stupid if it has to handle two items it can only pick one and pretend the other doesn't exist". you understand this ?
1483432;1466090771;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: does it not make sense to you that having two classes of object, whereas previously there was no need to distinguish classes, is at least 2x complexity ?
1483433;1466090782;mircea_popescu;if you store as a csv, add more fields. if you store in any other format, a mechanical equivalent for "add more fields" exists. what is the problem ?
1483434;1466090794;mircea_popescu;there ARE NOT two classes of object. rsa is the class of object.
1483435;1466090805;*;asciilifeform bangs head on desk
1483436;1466090809;asciilifeform;no.
1483437;1466090813;mircea_popescu;different packagings of THIS SAME OBJECT are not to be entertained. we control ther fucking horizontal, not "gpg" or "opensshit".
1483438;1466090818;asciilifeform;rfc4880 key is the fundamental object !
1483439;1466090821;asciilifeform;as it was written.
1483440;1466090824;mircea_popescu;fuck that shit.
1483441;1466090826;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu even ~read~ the thing.
1483442;1466090834;mircea_popescu;i am not importing "tinyscheme" or "rfc" or anything else.
1483443;1466090839;mircea_popescu;let them all fucking burn.
1483444;1466090848;asciilifeform;did i ever say the pgp format shouldn't burn ?
1483445;1466090852;mircea_popescu;i do not have use for as much as a rotten end of a thread from usg. you follow this concept ?
1483446;1466090858;asciilifeform;sure
1483447;1466090862;mircea_popescu;so then stop being jurov-y about burning it.
1483448;1466090878;asciilifeform;phuctor is, among other things, specifically machine for illustrating the defects in gpg format
1483449;1466090895;mircea_popescu;illustrate them by storing rsa in the rsa format and adding the illustration on the side
1483450;1466090905;mircea_popescu;not by centering on the non-rsa formats and adding tms on the side.
1483451;1466090926;asciilifeform;fundamentally this is good idea. but i can work either on this or on other things.
1483452;1466090927;mircea_popescu;there is exactly ONE rsa format, for all time, past as well as future, and it goes like this : N, e, comment.
1483453;1466090943;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu dun believe in self-sigs ?
1483454;1466090945;mircea_popescu;well, work on your own time. but work the way we're going not orthogonally.
1483455;1466090958;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can be part of comment.
1483456;1466091023;asciilifeform;if you're structuring the 'comment' field, before long you end up with rfc4880 et al if not careful.
1483457;1466091025;mircea_popescu;(but in generally, no, it's as fucking stupid to have the sig cert in the sig as it's stupid to have the bitcoin transactions in the bitcoin wallet.
1483458;1466091031;mircea_popescu;these belong somewhere else.)
1483459;1466091138;asciilifeform;the tx in wallet thing is monumentally annoying but afaik no one has invented a practical alternative to the O(N) 'how much coin do i have'
1483460;1466091147;asciilifeform;and N is getting pretty fat.
1483461;1466091179;mircea_popescu;yeah well. so make two files.
1483462;1466091184;asciilifeform;???
1483463;1466091204;asciilifeform;understand, getting the balance of an addr is O(N) ~unless~ you've been watching it as the blocks splat in.
1483464;1466091211;mircea_popescu;make wallet.dat and pending_transactions.dat. so if i want to flush pending txn i just delete that.
1483465;1466091216;asciilifeform;ah
1483466;1466091219;asciilifeform;yeah that'd work
1483467;1466091225;mircea_popescu;doh if i may say so myself.
1483468;1466091289;mircea_popescu;the notion of joining at the hip a permanent store and a cache is so idiotic as to make me certain the guy had no sort of formal education
1483469;1466091308;asciilifeform;eh american education would do it also.
1483470;1466091310;mircea_popescu;i don't mean, in cs. i mean, at all. fucking baker's notions of the world.
1483471;1466091338;mircea_popescu;the most basic, elementary, fundamental, first fucking function of any cache implementation is flush ffs.
1483472;1466091348;mircea_popescu;the only one thing a datastore never does is "drop"
1483473;1466091360;mircea_popescu;who ever thought of this omfg it gives me hives on the brain just thinking about it.
1483474;1466091367;asciilifeform;hey here in the lande of the phreeeee they combined toilet and washroom
1483475;1466091379;asciilifeform;(why not and also kitchen, everyone fresh off the boat always asks)
1483476;1466091384;asciilifeform;why not cache and store also.
1483477;1466091450;mircea_popescu;sigh. anyway. "selfsigs" are not particularly well thought out, not to the degree but in the same manner.
1483478;1466091524;asciilifeform;selfsig is how you know you have an rsa pubkey vs dogvomit.
1483479;1466091593;mircea_popescu;there's 10x to 100x more ssh-rsa than gpg-rsa. it's a moot point.
1483480;1466091610;asciilifeform;there is!
1483481;1466091615;asciilifeform;prolly more than 100x moar.
1483482;1466091625;asciilifeform;and we already know that they have large-factor collisions
1483483;1466091632;asciilifeform;(from, elementarily, machines with ~no~ rng)
1483484;1466091634;mircea_popescu;well, going by Framedragger 's 20mn figure. aha.
1483485;1466091660;asciilifeform;this incidentally is why phuctor had been a depressing thing for me. the thing i set out to find, i never found (evidence of diddled rng on pgp users' boxes.)
1483486;1466091669;asciilifeform;we found exactly ONE large-factor collision, and it was some troll
1483487;1466091670;mircea_popescu;give it some time.
1483488;1466091681;mircea_popescu;what's the 8ball at yet, 100mn ?
1483489;1466091687;asciilifeform;8ball is not relevant to this
1483490;1466091696;asciilifeform;i was speaking of LARGE FACTOR collisions
1483491;1466091698;asciilifeform;as in, between keys
1483492;1466091701;mircea_popescu;woosh :p
1483493;1466091712;asciilifeform;8ball would take about a billion years to get to sqrt(2048)
1483494;1466091718;mircea_popescu;hence the humour!
1483495;1466091724;asciilifeform;(at which point it would factor ALL 2048b keyz!11111111111)
1483496;1466091728;asciilifeform;lel
1483497;1466091742;*;asciilifeform was laughing in other terminal and forgot here.
1483498;1466091747;mircea_popescu;lol
1483499;1466091767;asciilifeform;2**2048 damn
1483500;1466091859;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log entirely dead apparently
1483501;1466091937;mircea_popescu;i see it ?
1483502;1466091948;asciilifeform;looks like he put moar petrol in the 2-cycle modem or what.
1483503;1466091950;asciilifeform;but yes.
1483504;1466091956;mircea_popescu;incl. your last line, aha
1483505;1466091994;phf;this "later" functionality is kind of useless on a bounced connection
1483506;1466092015;mircea_popescu;yeah i;ve been thinking on the correct spec for it.
1483507;1466092026;mircea_popescu;in general the way it's supposed to work is that it pms you ONCE IT SEES YOU TALK
1483508;1466092031;mircea_popescu;not once you show up at all.
1483509;1466092047;asciilifeform;it actually works this way afaik.
1483510;1466092055;mircea_popescu;sorta half-way i dunno.
1483511;1466092121;phf;it's hosted on digitalocean fwiw, maybe i should try moving it to our friend's cockli server, see how well romanian diesel modems work
1483512;1466092158;mircea_popescu;worth a shot. in any case protectionism should be a concern, much rather support people with than items without a wot.
1483513;1466092246;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 429529 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Wilfred de Kok <wdk@protonmail.ch>; Wilfred de Kok <wilfred@thinkhuman.nl>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB4E61E28FD9AFC202292274E2D73AD5AF5FEC567DCE5EDC52BFA34CB5B88F18
1483514;1466092249;mircea_popescu;course, ending up with half the shit suspended because one guy's diesel modem croaked is also not such a good state of affairs.
1483515;1466092249;mircea_popescu;but, well backuped services don't so much care about this.
1483516;1466092265;mircea_popescu;omg new ?
1483517;1466092286;asciilifeform;hey last one was new iirc
1483518;1466092288;asciilifeform;this morning.
1483519;1466092304;asciilifeform;btw both of the ones this morning were bitflips.
1483520;1466092339;phf;i've almost rewritten the irc bot. i'm not going to festival for couple of weeks, so it's going to get done
1483521;1466092342;mircea_popescu;is phucvtor down btw ?
1483522;1466092356;asciilifeform;not afaik ?
1483523;1466092362;mircea_popescu;lol is your life "code hard, festival harder" phf ?
1483524;1466092369;asciilifeform;looks like it is under load tho
1483525;1466092385;mircea_popescu;yeah timing out here.
1483526;1466092424;mircea_popescu;put some gas in teh twocycle ? :D
1483527;1466092443;*;asciilifeform goes to the tank
1483528;1466092544;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try now
1483529;1466092564;asciilifeform;bitflipolade btw
1483530;1466092566;asciilifeform;just like last 2.
1483531;1466092581;mircea_popescu;aha
1483532;1466092647;asciilifeform;incidentally, because self-sig exists, i could turn these into their correct versions if i had to.
1483533;1466092652;asciilifeform;O(Nbits).
1483534;1466092655;asciilifeform;elementarily.
1483535;1466092682;mircea_popescu;sort of passive crc. not clear that a) if you want it you shouldn't have it purpose built and b) if it's "just there" it should be necessarily preserved.
1483536;1466092683;asciilifeform;at least assuming 1-bit flip (which so far has been the case)
1483537;1466092695;asciilifeform;you can't do this with crc.
1483538;1466092699;asciilifeform;necessarily
1483539;1466092708;mircea_popescu;but anyway, as far as formats go - it seems data integrity procedures should be separated from data.
1483540;1466092727;asciilifeform;not certain how practical this is, because in order to work it has to be standardized.
1483541;1466092735;mircea_popescu;works for the user.
1483542;1466092739;asciilifeform;e.g. 'last K bits are ALWAYS sig'
1483543;1466092742;mircea_popescu;seems on the contrary, an epic point of decentralization
1483544;1466092754;asciilifeform;this is like decentralization of mains socket voltage.
1483545;1466092755;asciilifeform;no thx.
1483546;1466092782;mircea_popescu;no. data is data, formats are standard. data storage is your problem. encrypt it as you will. no standard encryption. backup it as you will. no standard backup.
1483547;1466092797;mircea_popescu;it's one thing to have standardized mains. it's another to have standardized items that plug into them. no thx.
1483548;1466092800;asciilifeform;but 'no standard checksum' is lunacy.
1483549;1466092822;asciilifeform;mains plug is standard where i live.
1483550;1466092847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the items, not the plug.
1483551;1466092866;mircea_popescu;anyway, "standard checksum" appears to be emerging as sha.
1483552;1466092872;asciilifeform;ew
1483553;1466092874;mircea_popescu;at least it's what we mostly do.
1483554;1466092881;asciilifeform;it is, and ew
1483555;1466092892;asciilifeform;this is entirely optional when designing new rsa container tho
1483556;1466092897;asciilifeform;can sign ~the modulus whole~
1483557;1466092913;mircea_popescu;what's the ew ?
1483558;1466092915;asciilifeform;just takes multiple shots to cover modulus, comment, etc.
1483559;1466092920;asciilifeform;ew sha
1483560;1466092933;mircea_popescu;yes but why
1483561;1466092945;asciilifeform;because hashes are fundamentally poisonous.
1483562;1466092951;asciilifeform;and ought to be abolished when practical.
1483563;1466092958;mircea_popescu;why ?
1483564;1466092970;asciilifeform;because many-to-one function.
1483565;1466092974;asciilifeform;fundamentally.
1483566;1466092989;mircea_popescu;this seems ~the only true use of a hash function, "give me some bits to compare with his bits make sure the file made it"
1483567;1466093006;asciilifeform;collisions are certain to exist.
1483568;1466093009;mircea_popescu;otherwise what, send everything in triplicate, like it's soviet union time ?
1483569;1466093020;asciilifeform;every time you hash, you make a bet that it will never be practical to find'em.
1483570;1466093028;mircea_popescu;collisions there, also.
1483571;1466093039;asciilifeform;no hash - no collision.
1483572;1466093040;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform some dirt is not actually dirt in the usual sense, but part of the fabric of reality.
1483573;1466093064;asciilifeform;point was, in certain cases you don't actually win much by making this wager.
1483574;1466093077;mircea_popescu;sometimes i suspect if you were my hammam master you'd steel mesh the freckles off the girls. possibly most of the smaller clits nad nipples too.
1483575;1466093091;asciilifeform;such as when rsa-signing a small string.
1483576;1466093094;asciilifeform;l0l!
1483577;1466093302;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski nice job adding references.
1483578;1466093303;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483579;1466094697;Framedragger;> mircea_popescu: [15:40:33] well, going by Framedragger 's 20mn figure. aha.
1483580;1466094697;Framedragger;yeah i'm not certain how representative that figure is of whatever, honestly. with all metaphor removed, it literally is "the number of ipv4 hosts which respond to a TCP SYN to port 22 with TCP ACK [packet with ACK flag set]". i'm fairly confident that i haven't missed many hosts of this kind, but too should be replicated and tested.
1483581;1466094718;mircea_popescu;yeah, i know.
1483582;1466094732;Framedragger;k, just making sure for the records, then
1483583;1466094735;mircea_popescu;best figure so far is all.
1483584;1466094879;Framedragger;btw i'd choose self-sigs over "trust sks keyservers not to include fake subkeys" any time of the year. obvs the point is to disassemble this false dichotomy. but short-term, self-sigs are not useless at all.
1483585;1466094936;asciilifeform;Framedragger: concept of 'subkey' is waiting to be shot in the head incidentally.
1483586;1466094959;Framedragger;and that's great and all.
1483587;1466095078;Framedragger;s/but too/but this too/  ^^
1483588;1466095537;asciilifeform;incidentally, 8ball presently weighs 333.5MB.
1483589;1466095687;Framedragger;8ball contains exclusively moduli only, right? cool.
1483590;1466095702;asciilifeform;8ball has nothing to do with moduli
1483591;1466095708;asciilifeform;it is an eternally growing primorial.
1483592;1466095713;Framedragger;ahhhh
1483593;1466095726;asciilifeform;that gets gcd'd with the rest.
1483594;1466095750;Framedragger;an ever-growing bunch of primes, right!
1483595;1466095765;asciilifeform;incidentally i devised a way to make the thing grow ~100x faster, but still not implemented.
1483596;1466095768;asciilifeform;ars longa.
1483597;1466095822;shinohai;https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/british-member-of-parliament-reported-to-have-been-shot/2016/06/16/a9b988de-33c4-11e6-ab9d-1da2b0f24f93_story.html
1483598;1466095822;asciilifeform;(iirc this was mentioned in logz somewhere. presently it multiplies old_primorial * next_prime(old_prime), but this is wasteful, ought to happen in batches so that massive turd is multiplied only rarely)
1483599;1466095914;asciilifeform;l0l!
1483600;1466095926;asciilifeform;an unkillable vermin, dead ?!
1483601;1466095928;asciilifeform;nowai
1483602;1466096098;mircea_popescu;Framedragger your concept of "fake subkey" is broken. what makes a subkey fake ?
1483603;1466096115;asciilifeform;'brought to an immediate halt the country's European Union referendum campaign just a week before the vote.' << that was apparently easy.
1483604;1466096133;mircea_popescu;to be specific : is this http://67.media.tumblr.com/91a7527fbf8fbbe3ee9f4f93a87ab6c0/tumblr_npzgb9CdVS1tceoigo1_500.gif a fake woman, or a real woman ?
1483605;1466096141;mircea_popescu;"i don't personally know her, she's therefore not a woman but meat".
1483606;1466096172;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's also not partucularly true, but it is what they would like, so.
1483607;1466096183;mircea_popescu;"i took mercury and it brought the syphilis to a halt". mmmkay.
1483608;1466096491;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: whether signature by $key to which the key in question is a sub of is valid?
1483609;1466096520;Framedragger;why does it have to be all abstract and difficult
1483610;1466096602;*;Framedragger afk
1483611;1466096658;mircea_popescu;except in the case as seen of hpa's key, where they just attached a valid sig to an invalid key.
1483612;1466096679;mircea_popescu;the fact remains : unless i have your key from you, it's fake. no amount of holy water sprkinling on the key in question can alleviate this.
1483613;1466096775;asciilifeform;wtf is a 'valid sig to an invalid key'
1483614;1466096832;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> and here's a two stroke engine to get the day started in gear. http://67.media.tumblr.com/c4a6298582c76943b282e9b85b59de44/tumblr_nukg7cFcjI1tvvddjo1_500.gif << ty
1483615;1466096877;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you recall, they pasted the sig packet off the actual key to a random concoction, verbatim
1483616;1466096900;mircea_popescu;"bite error"
1483617;1466097061;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo " since it's sale to Airbnb" << its. << ty fxd
1483618;1466097124;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> less money, shittier work. << Even if more money can't spend because blows cover, then die
1483619;1466097461;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah but that ain't a 'valid sig'
1483620;1466097466;asciilifeform;valid sig is valid ~for~ payload
1483621;1466098252;asciilifeform;;;later tell mod6 http://thebitcoin.foundation still contains a buncha #b-a links ?
1483622;1466098252;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483623;1466101647;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1483624;1466101653;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 747.86, vol: 14522.51117654 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 714.997, vol: 12883.63577 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 748.22, vol: 102681.82802122 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 4.81007134 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 749.918331, vol: 71268.07480000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 748.298, vol: 4917.98036024 | Volume-weighted last average: 746.706548862
1483625;1466101772;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/JU24fH.png
1483626;1466102151;shinohai;lo
1483627;1466102252;mircea_popescu;guy needs a better family.
1483628;1466102366;shinohai;http://tmzuncut.com/woman-sets-husband-fire-raping-7-year-old-daugh
1483629;1466102853;shinohai;mebbe the 3rd time of seen that with a different woman charged with said crime.
1483630;1466103064;mircea_popescu;and of course "the public" = the rest of the tatanyshas are worried she may get executed for this.
1483631;1466103101;mircea_popescu;i have nfi how someone who waits for you to go to sleep, pours gasoline and lights up could possibly escape the hanging. it is about as cowardly premeditated as it gets, no need to encourage this sort of behaviour.
1483632;1466103125;asciilifeform;in usa, no corpse --> no hanging
1483633;1466103128;asciilifeform;weird, ikr
1483634;1466103142;trinque;hang them both
1483635;1466103165;trinque;phf: I'll get you postgresql user/pass this evening
1483636;1466103390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in usa it is not wholly unheard-of for wife to mutilate husband (blinding, decocking, etc) while he sleeps
1483637;1466103398;asciilifeform;often the jury nullifies
1483638;1466103433;phf;in the old tradition of samson and delilah
1483639;1466103520;mircea_popescu;it's outrageous. married woman that hurts sleeping husband should be given the option of burning at the state / boiling in oil.
1483640;1466103534;asciilifeform;curious - why option
1483641;1466103547;mircea_popescu;optimal anguish.
1483642;1466103565;mircea_popescu;either choice has a bunch of onlookers mocking her for choosing wrong.
1483643;1466103574;asciilifeform;l0l!
1483644;1466103751;mircea_popescu;incidentally this is an islamic mainstay afaik. punctually, fine example of why "civilised" us might well welcome the rule of the "barbarians". legal improvements.
1483645;1466103781;asciilifeform;where in dar-al-islam is there this
1483646;1466103787;asciilifeform;afaik it's head-chop for everybody.
1483647;1466103794;asciilifeform;(aside from shia hangings)
1483648;1466103802;mircea_popescu;i cant quote verse.
1483649;1466103821;mircea_popescu;but i've yet to meet muslim married woman that'd even conceive such outrage.
1483650;1466104164;asciilifeform;https://securelist.com/blog/research/75027/xdedic-the-shady-world-of-hacked-servers-for-sale << lulzy
1483651;1466104417;mircea_popescu;aha.
1483652;1466106190;asciilifeform;notagain
1483653;1466107002;phf;nihil est perenne
1483654;1466107199;phf;drink. campari.
1483655;1466108807;BingoBoingo;iOS Beetus edition https://i.sli.mg/Zx7lGt.png
1483656;1466108835;trinque;I do not recall a worse keynote ever given by "apple"
1483657;1466108892;trinque;somebody decided they needed to be more inclusive with their presenters, and they included a bunch of duds
1483658;1466108926;BingoBoingo;And transfats
1483659;1466109266;phf;i liked the black chick that was doing the whole blackface shtick
1483660;1466109309;phf;"execu-super-mommy" i believe is that term she used, right before trying to get boomer audience to sing along to the sugarhill gang
1483661;1466109374;phf;followed by half hour of two grownups earnestly demoing imessages features presumably targeted at 12 year old girls
1483662;1466110091;asciilifeform;boggles my mind that any of you bothered to watch
1483663;1466110188;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483611 << this does not make sense to me. granted, maybe i need to be elucidated. but gpg clients correctly handle hpa's key mess, viz. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9561091 (link to particular comment about this particular case of diddling)
1483664;1466110189;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 17:04 mircea_popescu: except in the case as seen of hpa's key, where they just attached a valid sig to an invalid key.
1483665;1466110262;Framedragger;(and also the tree of comments below, which are not properly visually formatted, in terms of identation)
1483666;1466110276;Framedragger;(schoen et al)
1483667;1466111987;mircea_popescu;trinque the apple you're thinking of got pancreatic cancer, they got a replacement from central casting.
1483668;1466112118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform buncha recovering 2000s fanbois, whadda ya want. anyone's a teenager sometime.
1483669;1466112180;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so some clients handle it correctly. this isn't much of an argument that it belongs there.
1483670;1466112429;ben_vulpes;the pathetic "omg these cool features!" from current fanboys is endlessly entertaining.
1483671;1466112510;phf;you guys, i really enjoyed the main guy, because he was like a steve jobs zombie, down to a gaunt cancer look. he existed in this uncanny valley with all the manerisms and presentation ticks.
1483672;1466112551;mircea_popescu;next year they can give him a kardashian ass and he could launch a music album.
1483673;1466112558;phf;i'm just so rarely exposed to agitprop that this was a fascinating experience. it's like watching men in suits get on all fours and earnestly eat shit from the floor.
1483674;1466112627;BingoBoingo;Wait you didn't see that part?
1483675;1466112631;trinque;l0l
1483676;1466112680;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: the crapple currently in business is a sad thing. i have a brand-new $3k box here, for instance, that periodically forgets it has wifi.
1483677;1466112689;phf;no need to spread! boom, it's that easy!
1483678;1466112723;asciilifeform;if the alternative weren't microshit, nobody would even conceive of buying such a thing.
1483679;1466112730;*;trinque sends asciilifeform a grumpy emoji
1483680;1466112817;asciilifeform;lel
1483681;1466112822;*;trinque just picked up a g5 imac as a non-intel curio
1483682;1466112827;trinque;25 bucks on craigslist
1483683;1466112867;asciilifeform;i remember them costing their weight in silver.
1483684;1466112891;asciilifeform;it was an interesting arch
1483685;1466112910;asciilifeform;but my understanding is, nsa wanted standardization on x86, and got it.
1483686;1466113020;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4579563035892572414441 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Cyber-Tom <cyber-tom@mailcity.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AD4C57403CECBEB77262D7BE6F1E4F9925E7A673AA8AA1A5971A1555B67C20AD
1483687;1466113040;phf;boom
1483688;1466113096;asciilifeform;flipolade btw.
1483689;1466116649;BingoBoingo;candidate for castle alfstein? https://carbondale.craigslist.org/reb/5624243887.html
1483690;1466117158;gernika;Something I built that may be of interest to Z80 fans: http://www.exusiae.com/blog/thortron.html
1483691;1466117407;BingoBoingo;interesting
1483692;1466117684;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483669 << it does, however, show that a coherent account "fakeness" (from the query by yourself ("what makes a subkey fake ?")) is possible.
1483693;1466117684;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 21:23 mircea_popescu: Framedragger so some clients handle it correctly. this isn't much of an argument that it belongs there.
1483694;1466117731;Framedragger;account of*
1483695;1466117763;Framedragger;i.e., the "fake subkey" case *can* be handled correctly.
1483696;1466117852;Framedragger;hence self-sigs do provide value here; this is not to say that the notion of "subkey" shouldn't be razed from the earth, eventually.
1483697;1466118261;mircea_popescu;Framedragger as exemplified by the woman in the picture. she's "not fake". in what sense ? she could call you and swear for herself ? so ?
1483698;1466118288;mircea_popescu;your notion of fake is broken. you think fake is a property of objects. fake is a property of relations.
1483699;1466118296;Framedragger;non sequitur, even though the example is cute
1483700;1466118313;mircea_popescu;it follows very much, what.
1483701;1466118332;Framedragger;i agree that it's a property of relations. a signature establishes a relation
1483702;1466118338;Framedragger;don't see a contradiction
1483703;1466118356;Framedragger;maybe bad wording: not "self-signature" in this case, but rather one (parent) key signing another (child) key.
1483704;1466118366;mircea_popescu;a self-signature establishes nothing. if YOU signed the key then ~you~ would know it's not fake in the specific sense that it's the same one you signed.
1483705;1466118376;mircea_popescu;that it signs itself shows ~nothing.
1483706;1466118513;Framedragger;let's particularize: hpa's parent key was embedded in the pgp wot (whether the latter is worth anything is a *separate* point) which people trusted. then, hpa's child key appears, and it's not properly signed by hpa's parent key, the latter being trusted prior. maybe the sig is not there, maybe the sig is invalid, whatever. child key gets rejected. this scheme in itself is not circular, and it *worked*.
1483707;1466118546;mircea_popescu;i don't know hpa. any item purporting to be hpa's key is fake, and this can not be fixed by hpa or anyone on his behalf through technological means of any sort.
1483708;1466118550;Framedragger;whether it truly worked well, whether some gpg clients are shit, whether keyservers should preemptively dismiss such keys - all worthy points of discussion, but separate.
1483709;1466118553;mircea_popescu;the only solution is for us to become acquainted.
1483710;1466118599;mircea_popescu;if another knows hpa, and signs his key, then that one knows the key he signed to be not fake, but the key he signed. this, again, has little to do with hpa per se.
1483711;1466118680;Framedragger;i agree. but what if there was some trust path from you to hpa's parent key; and there were no paths at all to the diddled child key. surely that's something, even if not enough for you to mark hpa's key (any key) as "trusted"
1483712;1466118689;mircea_popescu;anyway. the only way in which the scheme you discuss worked was to prevent effectual use of symmetric key crypto, and it's altogether doubtful people needed help for that.
1483713;1466118775;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i don't see much merit in the whole scheme. gpg does something stupid and then maybe salvages some edge of it. mmkay.
1483714;1466118822;mircea_popescu;"subkeys" are ~equivalent to "domain names" and various attempts to weaken bitcoin that were quashed historically. "wouldn't you like some wool over your eyes ???"
1483715;1466118859;Framedragger;right, sure. but then you'd agree that all phuctorings (save for one, apparently) are interesting insofar as one is interested in how broken this scheme is?
1483716;1466118871;Framedragger;i.e. they show only that.
1483717;1466118896;mircea_popescu;i don't think it can ever be said "x phenomena shows only y abstraction".
1483718;1466118906;mircea_popescu;i dunno why it's interesting and what it shows exhaustively.
1483719;1466118919;Framedragger;maybe i'm jumping too much. apologies - sleepy; and i get the point.
1483720;1466118934;mircea_popescu;but anyway, sure, there's a difference between "random subkey" and "subkey signed by main key".
1483721;1466118956;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it seems to my eyes to be of the kind of "there's a difference between burnned out barn with door open and burned out barn with door closed".
1483722;1466118958;Framedragger;i suppose that's what i wanted to state originally, yeah. i know it's not a strong case; but it's not utter bullshit, either.
1483723;1466119034;mircea_popescu;more importantly : i don't want to outsource the management of my trust chains. if i trust you, i trust one key, not all keys in all derivations you may one day come up with.
1483724;1466119041;mircea_popescu;and if you want a subkey, I do the signing, not you.
1483725;1466119047;Framedragger;depends on matter of scale. if you zoom out and look at gpg as a whole then you just want to burn everything to the ground, sure. and if you zoom out further you want to rewrite more and more things. but sometimes it is worthwhile to consider relative differences of worth, too, so to speak.
1483726;1466119075;mircea_popescu;sure, but the "who is in charge" point is important.
1483727;1466119085;Framedragger;yeah i agree here, i do see that point
1483728;1466119092;Framedragger;so, yeah.
1483729;1466119101;mircea_popescu;if gpg was intended as a sort of otr, "user creates subkeys forever", it's shockingly poorly implemented.
1483730;1466119109;Framedragger;tru
1483731;1466119112;mircea_popescu;if it's intended to work as what it works, then really there's no use or need for that nonsense.
1483732;1466119136;mircea_popescu;so in a sense i made a design decision post-implementation, because these cojoined twins had to be cut somehow. this is improper, sure, but unavoidable.
1483733;1466119315;Framedragger;one practical consideration re you signing my subkeys: what if you really trusted my main key but then i later decided to move that key to offline storage for security, and derive a subkey - one may argue that gpg provides just this kind of means of streamlining the process - i sign my new subkey or whatever, and there's that, no need for you to meet me in person again. otherwise doesn't scale at all, if 1000 people wanted to trust my su
1483734;1466119342;hanbot;say Valfor, who're you?
1483735;1466119349;Framedragger;otherwise doesn't scale at all, if 1000 people wanted to trust my subkey. i guess *you* could argue that fuck scale and fuck "lots of people", etc.
1483736;1466119577;Framedragger;^ i'll re-think and converse better next time, bed time
1483737;1466120549;Framedragger;jurov: i heard you have a converter from tmsr format (e,N,comment) to openpgp, if that's true can you link to it perchance please? would save time / redundancy :)
1483738;1466120726;Framedragger;jurov: but probably nvm actually 'cause your tool i expect does not generate things like self-sigs out of nowhere, etc. (need by current instance of phuctor). would still like to take a look if it's around tho!
1483739;1466120740;Framedragger;needed*
1483740;1466121015;gernika;Whales are spouting off the coast today.  Beautiful thing.
1483741;1466121207;mircea_popescu;Framedragger why should it scale ? dunbar number is a thing. there's no need for you to be trusted, or even known, by more than a few dozen people.
1483742;1466121264;mircea_popescu;and why should the process be streamlined ? the decision to "move your key to storage" has some costs, for them. why should you be insulated from this ? you wanna do X, pay up.
1483743;1466121312;mircea_popescu;$gettrust valfor
1483744;1466121314;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1483745;1466121321;Valfor;:/
1483746;1466121322;mircea_popescu;wtf is this wonder.
1483747;1466121327;mircea_popescu;$gettrust Valfor
1483748;1466121328;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1483749;1466121361;mircea_popescu;Valfor who're you and how did you get voice ?
1483750;1466121371;Valfor;I presume I was given it?
1483751;1466121375;Valfor;not really something I can take for myself :P
1483752;1466121386;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah k, i mean, i may disagree re. dunbar's number being directly applicable here, maybe i'm some l33t package maintainer, but fair enough, won't argue further here
1483753;1466121410;trinque;wat
1483754;1466121426;Framedragger;it's lisp's fault, i knew it
1483755;1466121438;mircea_popescu;trinque i think he got voice a whole back and deedbot forgot about it.
1483756;1466121454;Framedragger;valfor is some unclaimed garbage collected side effect
1483757;1466121458;Valfor;:(
1483758;1466121460;Valfor;my heart
1483759;1466121461;mircea_popescu;May 02 18:10:34 <deedbot>	Valfor voiced for 30 minutes.
1483760;1466121464;Valfor;you're ripping me to shreds
1483761;1466121474;mircea_popescu;Valfor well lol, consider getting in the wot eh.
1483762;1466121478;trinque;weird. deedbot tracks nick changes at least
1483763;1466121489;Valfor;My nick has been the same :P
1483764;1466121493;Valfor;If you all want a collective devoice
1483765;1466121496;Valfor;I'm happy to do so
1483766;1466121507;mircea_popescu;Valfor more like auditing the mechanism than anything.
1483767;1466121507;trinque;just discussing teh bot mr feelings!
1483768;1466121515;Valfor;No worries
1483769;1466121523;Valfor;Well let me know if you do - don't want to be inadvertently breaking the rules :)
1483770;1466121941;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483689 << this HAS to be a scam.
1483771;1466121941;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 22:37 BingoBoingo: candidate for castle alfstein? https://carbondale.craigslist.org/reb/5624243887.html
1483772;1466121981;asciilifeform;nothing in usa - that one could live in - costs this little, unless it is attached to onerous restoration mandate from the city, and/or surrounded by heavily armed and belligerent africa
1483773;1466122073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483707 << neither moar nor less fake than linux kernel, neh ?
1483774;1466122073;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 23:09 mircea_popescu: i don't know hpa. any item purporting to be hpa's key is fake, and this can not be fixed by hpa or anyone on his behalf through technological means of any sort.
1483775;1466122411;asciilifeform;;;later tell gernika http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483690 << neato
1483776;1466122412;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 22:45 gernika: Something I built that may be of interest to Z80 fans: http://www.exusiae.com/blog/thortron.html
1483777;1466122412;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483778;1466122524;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/06/clinton-and-major-socialist-party-data-released-by-hero/#comment-61788
1483779;1466122524;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483780;1466122633;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483723 << manual reactor rods ?
1483781;1466122633;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 23:17 mircea_popescu: more importantly : i don't want to outsource the management of my trust chains. if i trust you, i trust one key, not all keys in all derivations you may one day come up with.
1483782;1466122673;asciilifeform;there was a very good thread where mircea_popescu explained this, but i can't seem to find it
1483783;1466122721;asciilifeform;the one where 'key can squirt out a signature for a new key but this can leave no permanent mark on the original,' ergo auto-acceptance of subkeys is invitation for 'evil maid attack' etc.
1483784;1466122756;asciilifeform;(or more general variant where enemy can take something you signed and turn THAT into a subkey that is in turn accepted somewhere!!)
1483785;1466122773;asciilifeform;^ this may actually be practical with pgp
1483786;1466122784;asciilifeform;^ and may account for at least one phuctored modulus
1483787;1466122794;asciilifeform;^^ mircea_popescu et al ^^
1483788;1466122834;Framedragger;re evil maid, sure, that's a prob.
1483789;1466122866;Framedragger;asciilifeform: btw would phuctor (as it currently works) be able to import an otherwise normal openpgp / rfc4880 key either (1) no self-sig or (2) a somehow borked (nulled? haven't looked at rfc4880 data structures yet) self-sig? as i see it lotsa info is actually contained *within* the signed part, in that format..
1483790;1466122873;asciilifeform;well, probably not as traditionally stated (e.g., if 'evil maid' borrows mircea_popescu's key, she can launch the rockets)
1483791;1466122893;asciilifeform;Framedragger: would happily eat such a key
1483792;1466122901;asciilifeform;notice, the sig is not used for anything therein
1483793;1466123361;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> nothing in usa - that one could live in - costs this little, unless it is attached to onerous restoration mandate from the city, and/or surrounded by heavily armed and belligerent africa << AHA, the latter. You gotta supply your own walls!
1483794;1466123374;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: if walls were enough, place would cost $mil
1483795;1466123376;asciilifeform;not 13k.
1483796;1466123392;asciilifeform;elementarily.
1483797;1466123396;BingoBoingo;Well, also in Cairo, Illinois. A very special nowhere.
1483798;1466123407;asciilifeform;the missing ingredient HAS to be something that costs moar than the difference to add back in.
1483799;1466123409;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit.
1483800;1466123487;asciilifeform;for instance, i know a fella who moved to a - perfectly tame little town in west virginia, and thought he was getting great deal, but it turned out that it is physically impossible to get decent net connection there (at least without paying for streets to be dug up, six figures)
1483801;1466123493;BingoBoingo;You know how the coastal property market works? Cairo is kinda the opposite. rural AND black! North of the Mason-Dixon line too!
1483802;1466123510;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: with same logic, why not zimbabwe
1483803;1466123514;asciilifeform;even cheaper
1483804;1466123516;asciilifeform;and blacker
1483805;1466123534;BingoBoingo;But roads out are less nice. Also Cairo has city (flood) walls
1483806;1466123592;BingoBoingo;And big interstate meeting points.
1483807;1466123592;*;asciilifeform wonders why BingoBoingo has not himself bought the warehouse
1483808;1466123636;BingoBoingo;Too far removed from hobby venue
1483809;1466123695;BingoBoingo;And BingoBoingo already lives in paler region of middle west
1483810;1466123774;Framedragger;asciilifeform: kthx, good to know.
1483811;1466124319;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 also worked on Deb http://dpaste.com/0S4VX30
1483812;1466124320;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483813;1466126439;mod6;shinohai: nice!
1483814;1466126691;mod6;<asciilifeform> http://thebitcoin.foundation still contains a buncha #b-a links ? << yeah, shinohai did a project where he transfered over the stuff there like the wiki to the deedbot page.
1483815;1466126710;mod6;i haven't updated the links because i wasn't sure that the deedbot wiki page is fully baked yet.
1483816;1466126732;mod6;the content is baked, not sure about the infrastructure/container itself.
1483817;1466126740;mod6;trinque?
1483818;1466126749;mod6;is this stuff ready?
1483819;1466126831;mod6;and yah, as far as I can tell asciilifeform, the only #b-a links there (three of them) are pointing at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
1483820;1466126848;mod6;or did you see others?
1483821;1466128094;trinque;the thing's fine to be linked to, but I don't think shinohai finished transferring pages
1483822;1466128578;shinohai;All are there except mebbe 2-3 articles I haven't finished formatting
1483823;1466129178;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not afaik.
1483824;1466129553;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: all it'd take is a sha1 collision
1483825;1466129566;mircea_popescu;i meant re hangout
1483826;1466129576;asciilifeform;with ANY of the sha1 from the total set of signatures publicly known for key K
1483827;1466129578;asciilifeform;ah
1483828;1466129657;asciilifeform;(every time a sig is published, this job gets slightly easier...)
1483829;1466129760;asciilifeform;btw does mircea_popescu know what would happen if a pgp key with his main key but new magical subkey were generated and posted to sks ?
1483830;1466129843;asciilifeform;... it would be displayed as latest; folks who -receive-key longfp would end up with it; all known pgp clients - happily encipher to it; etc.
1483831;1466129890;asciilifeform;but i think we may have already done this thread
1483832;1466129905;asciilifeform;(though for some reason it refuses to turn up)
1483833;1466129974;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1483819 << only them
1483834;1466129974;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 01:27 mod6: and yah, as far as I can tell asciilifeform, the only #b-a links there (three of them) are pointing at wiki.bitcoin-assets.com
1483835;1466130159;mod6;cool thx alf
1483836;1466130268;asciilifeform;incidentally 'all my chums get my key only from my hands' dun help.
1483837;1466130284;asciilifeform;because ~sigs~ made with the magic sub will pass.
1483838;1466130320;asciilifeform;(as valid, both for folks with mircea_popescu's genuine pubkey, and for those with the magic one)
1483839;1466130337;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1483840;1466130365;mircea_popescu;kinda why i don't like the "auto trust" bs.
1483841;1466130374;asciilifeform;hence 'subkey must die!'
1483842;1466130379;mircea_popescu;it entirely subverts pgp. and i don't believe it to be accidental either.
1483843;1466130414;mircea_popescu;now, the ad-interim solution is to a) sign the key ; b) only encrypt to signed key. but... dun help noobs.
1483844;1466130414;asciilifeform;by no means accident. a thick part of the rfc is specifically devoted to it, one way or another
1483845;1466130447;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: enemy can just as easily sign ~his~ variant
1483846;1466130452;asciilifeform;and ditto.
1483847;1466130481;asciilifeform;munchausen could fly by pulling own boots
1483848;1466130490;asciilifeform;but we - cannot.
1483849;1466135231;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 94161167995487098188563131 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Carl Christoph Leimbrock <christoph.leimbrock@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41CE4AD52DCCD849DEFF2F8EF2F59A5563DEF92184DA02E60743A44F38C9BDE4
1483850;1466136612;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483763 << http://danielpbarron.com/Valfor.txt
1483851;1466136612;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 23:58 Valfor: My nick has been the same :P
1483852;1466136962;Valfor;:/ it shouldn't have reverted to that
1483853;1466136965;Valfor;that was my nick a loooong time ago
1483854;1466136972;Valfor;and znc is not configured for that any longer
1483855;1466136997;Valfor;sorry danielpbarron - honest mistake
1483856;1466137505;danielpbarron;what's a Valfor?
1483857;1466137611;Valfor;slight modification on Valefor
1483858;1466137647;Valfor;which is a "Duke of Hell" from the Goetic Demons
1483859;1466137785;danielpbarron;do you believe there is a hell?
1483860;1466137892;Valfor;I just found myself looking through a list of goetic demons via wiki-page jumping at the time I happened tob e looking for a new nick
1483861;1466137904;Valfor;so I picked one I thought looked interesting
1483862;1466138095;danielpbarron;..
1483863;1466157203;felipelalli;LOL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11921608
1483864;1466158414;mircea_popescu;how's brazil ?
1483865;1466158567;mircea_popescu;in other pokemon/ethereum/andreas poponautikos/mit shit labs/us democratic party/usg news,  http://66.media.tumblr.com/ba9127e8cfc8b70a3ad1f32205a028df/tumblr_o46s3qwJ271sd8n5oo1_500.gif
1483866;1466159824;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1483865   <<< I do believe this accurately portrays the state of ethereum and the dao this morning.
1483867;1466159824;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 10:16 mircea_popescu: in other pokemon/ethereum/andreas poponautikos/mit shit labs/us democratic party/usg news,  http://66.media.tumblr.com/ba9127e8cfc8b70a3ad1f32205a028df/tumblr_o46s3qwJ271sd8n5oo1_500.gif
1483868;1466160723;shinohai;"Vitalik tries to switch ethereum to PoV (proof-of-vitalik) in an attempt to save a sinking DAO"
1483869;1466160732;shinohai;Today is a good day.
1483870;1466161455;mircea_popescu;maybe worth a qntra. kinda tenuous, but w/e.
1483871;1466162652;shinohai;https://etherscan.io/address/0xbb9bc244d798123fde783fcc1c72d3bb8c189413   <<< lulzy
1483872;1466164919;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/TOD
1483873;1466164919;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483874;1466165386;felipelalli;etherscam.io
1483875;1466165828;thestringpuller;;;seen mod6
1483876;1466165829;gribble;mod6 was last seen in #trilema 9 hours, 54 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <mod6> cool thx alf
1483877;1466166129;thestringpuller;so mpex down? or maybe just proxies?
1483878;1466166260;mircea_popescu;http://mpex.biz/ << seems ok
1483879;1466166374;thestringpuller;yea. but order didn't go through via coinbr. jurov i think the proxy you're using is down.
1483880;1466166380;thestringpuller;or something.
1483881;1466166695;mircea_popescu;tsk.
1483882;1466168080;deedbot;[Trilema] Sometime in the 1880s, somewhere in the Danube valley - http://trilema.com/2016/sometime-in-the-1880s-somewhere-in-the-danube-valley/
1483883;1466171001;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 8625 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Rodrigo Duarte Lopez (Chave utilizada na aula de seguranca de computacao) <lopez@lrg.ufsc.br>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3EBBA6727EC0231B8AC7B56EE2EF87BFE362D2D5C77191FFEE65EEDA7CE58C45
1483884;1466171624;asciilifeform;^ flipolade. snore.
1483885;1466171658;mircea_popescu;Chave utilizada na aula de seguranca de computacao part is lulzy enough.
1483886;1466171676;asciilifeform;aha.
1483887;1466171726;asciilifeform;btw asciilifeform has a sort of hindbrain reaction to 'seguranca', hearing it woke me up with a sweat on the airplane that one time...
1483888;1466171834;asciilifeform;lul, the eth thing is finally burning down, https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oif2x/dao_attack_exchanges_please_pause_eth_and_dao and buterin nailed the exists shut
1483889;1466171839;asciilifeform;*exits
1483890;1466171922;mircea_popescu;hey, they all knew better than mp and shit like that.
1483891;1466171931;mircea_popescu;besides, i had no proof and what else. modern sciences.
1483892;1466171934;asciilifeform;they still 'know'
1483893;1466171938;mircea_popescu;surely.
1483894;1466171944;asciilifeform;buterin's answer is... hardfork to roll back tx.
1483895;1466171973;mircea_popescu;next thing you know mit labs is going to discover lightbulbs.
1483896;1466171976;asciilifeform;(will he make new one every time some schmuck finds an 0day?)
1483897;1466172009;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform which siguranta is the reaction to ?
1483898;1466172036;asciilifeform;the nazi one, naturally, that i was regaled with tales of as a boy
1483899;1466172047;mircea_popescu;teh gestapo ?
1483900;1466172053;asciilifeform;the ro gestapo
1483901;1466172063;mircea_popescu;that's embarassing
1483902;1466172106;mircea_popescu;if it makes you feel better, the word pretty much exclusively means "circuit breaker" in romanian.
1483903;1466172113;asciilifeform;i know what it means.
1483904;1466172128;asciilifeform;but it's a hindbrain thing, like seeing car labeled 'polizei' in germany
1483905;1466172136;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1483906;1466172161;thestringpuller;So the ponzi came full circle?
1483907;1466172220;thestringpuller;its slightly terrifying the amount of people willing to sign a contract before reading it.
1483908;1466172274;*;mircea_popescu feels compelled to link http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-07#1477823
1483909;1466172274;a111;Logged on 2016-06-07 00:03 mircea_popescu: so looking at the shitcoins, "ethereum" switched with "ripple" YoY. hurr durr.
1483910;1466172297;asciilifeform;'So there is a recursive payout 'problem'? No there isn't. It was all in the specification. When the DAO was fund raising, it was explicit that the only thing that mattered was the DAO's contract code. Nothing else should be taken as being reliable. Well, the contract code is still operating exactly as it was specified. A 'hacker' is merely using the code in ways that were there to see, should anyone have looked. How can they be stea
1483911;1466172297;asciilifeform;ling when they are just using the code?'
1483912;1466172317;mircea_popescu;aha.
1483913;1466172324;thestringpuller;The rollback is scandalous
1483914;1466172333;thestringpuller;since you know they are violating the contract.
1483915;1466172334;asciilifeform;somehow i missed the story of why the eth gang built another, inner shitcoin
1483916;1466172351;thestringpuller;cuz corporations are better when run by computers
1483917;1466172351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "to create value"
1483918;1466172358;asciilifeform;l0l!
1483919;1466172369;asciilifeform;and smaller fleas, and smaller fleas, and so ad infinitum ??
1483920;1466172380;thestringpuller;so they are going to now wind down teh dao?
1483921;1466172393;thestringpuller;"Dao will only be able to withdrawal after hard fork"
1483922;1466172395;mircea_popescu;(note incidentally that the ethereum monetary base increased 50% past week.)
1483923;1466172410;asciilifeform;so they built a 'fed' ?!
1483924;1466172423;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: yup. with buterin as the chairman!
1483925;1466172428;asciilifeform;literally a bladder in which to temporarily store printolade while it cools down ?
1483926;1466172447;asciilifeform;lulzy
1483927;1466172460;thestringpuller;hey! inflation is good. because it pays for the miners!
1483928;1466172477;thestringpuller;lets just steal from everyone to pay for the nice thing!
1483929;1466172489;asciilifeform;https://blog.slock.it/no-dao-funds-at-risk-following-the-ethereum-smart-contract-recursive-call-bug-discovery-29f482d348b#.mida5o6vz << 5 days ago
1483930;1466172491;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform next, watch the usg agents derping about how "cryptocurrency is dead because our shitscheme imploded" ; and once that goes nowhere, watch them come back to bitcoin to "fix" the "consensus problems" it "has".
1483931;1466172509;asciilifeform;come back to ?!
1483932;1466172517;asciilifeform;i dun remember the 'fixers' ever leaving
1483933;1466172530;mircea_popescu;yeah, they lost about 70% volume past months.
1483934;1466172532;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: you'll likely see vocal people pushing for hard forks to prevent scams in Bitcoin.
1483935;1466172547;thestringpuller;the regulation bitcoin needs-TM
1483936;1466172576;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: recall (this is in the logs) mit has a remote-updated-blacklist gavinatronic client ready to roll
1483937;1466172588;mircea_popescu;"let us apply the experience of mit-genius rockheadboy. mongoloids have things to say about theatre! they learned a lot of valuable insights in the sanitarium!"
1483938;1466172591;asciilifeform;slide deck leaked a few months ago.
1483939;1466172604;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform slide deck doth not a client make.
1483940;1466172615;mircea_popescu;they have a slide deck for how they wanted  ethershitium to work, also.
1483941;1466172617;asciilifeform;hey not like this is deep science
1483942;1466172623;mircea_popescu;depends for whom.
1483943;1466172628;asciilifeform;iirc hearn had public source for it
1483944;1466172631;mircea_popescu;apparently they went to a different kindergarten than yours.
1483945;1466172644;asciilifeform;pulls addrs from mothership and nulls all tx containing them
1483946;1466172665;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat.
1483947;1466172842;mircea_popescu;shinohai did you write up the eth thing ?
1483948;1466172986;shinohai;yeah mircea_popescu I put it in "later"
1483949;1466173008;shinohai;but haven't seen BingoBoingo
1483950;1466173039;mircea_popescu;does it say something like "nationalization of the whole scheme is regarded as the solution by the technologically challenged MIT troop" ?
1483951;1466173058;mircea_popescu;cuz seriously, this is what they want to do, "we fucked up so let's confiscate everyone's stuff and start over"
1483952;1466173093;shinohai;i did include the confiscation / immutability thing
1483953;1466173099;asciilifeform;well the 'consensual' lie is 'not everyone's! only the sc4mz0r's!'
1483954;1466173101;mircea_popescu;aite then
1483955;1466173118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is what every government always says about every currency nationalization ever.
1483956;1466173123;asciilifeform;naturally
1483957;1466173140;mircea_popescu;i suppose accused rapist could say "i didn't rape everyone, just this one".
1483958;1466173145;asciilifeform;'come and redeem old rubles for new rubles, but NOT YOU MOTHERFUCKER WITH THE MATTRESS'
1483959;1466173151;mircea_popescu;no idea how this constitutes a defense, but each his own
1483960;1466175051;asciilifeform;https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/15/dnc << still up...
1483961;1466176379;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Addind links and history
1483962;1466176472;*;shinohai tips hat
1483963;1466176878;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Further lulz added and published
1483964;1466176960;deedbot;[Qntra] Buterin's Waterfall Unveils Log Plume To Wood Chipper Ride - http://qntra.net/2016/06/buterins-waterfall-unveils-log-plume-to-wood-chipper-ride/
1483965;1466177318;BingoBoingo;;;later tell thestringpuller Don't think that I don't see you missing days http://thestringpuller.com/ Gotta poast every day
1483966;1466177318;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483967;1466177490;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo I know. I know! It's like making sure to stand every hour from the computer. Or go to the gym everyday.
1483968;1466177491;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1483969;1466178531;shinohai;totally looks fine here, cuz we said so https://blog.slock.it/deja-vu-dao-smart-contracts-audit-results-d26bc088e32e
1483970;1466178535;shinohai;move along
1483971;1466178724;BingoBoingo;In other news Trey Parker of South Park is starting to become transcartman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ck_XT3VWgAAW8aY.jpg
1483972;1466178893;shinohai;wow hes tubby
1483973;1466178920;shinohai;Respect mah authoritah
1483974;1466178934;mircea_popescu;lol conspicuously missing, the hanno boeck "i already had published this nowhere" angle.
1483975;1466178975;mircea_popescu;ahahaha transcartman
1483976;1466178980;BingoBoingo;hanno boeck is for shitgnomming GPG, other shitgnomes for this
1483977;1466178991;mircea_popescu;amusamentarium ahahaha o god.
1483978;1466178994;BingoBoingo;To be fair Trey has a long way to go before fully Cartman
1483979;1466179006;mircea_popescu;ciscum-cartman ?
1483980;1466179089;mircea_popescu;ahahaha "one of the world's leading security audit companies, dejavu security"
1483981;1466179100;mircea_popescu;god help us, we're drowning in molten comedy gold.
1483982;1466179103;BingoBoingo;I dunno how to conjugate adjectives in pig latin
1483983;1466179103;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: boeck is busy elsewhere, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/563
1483984;1466179116;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they can just clone these at will anyway.
1483985;1466179177;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, the beheading hurt something fierce, check out all the various research they're giving him to publish to prop him up. win-win lol.
1483986;1466179213;asciilifeform;for a headless horseman, he gallops pretty well.
1483987;1466179228;mircea_popescu;ah the internets have delivered this friday.
1483988;1466179301;shinohai;I woke up this morning and died laughing when i saw dao "b/c"
1483989;1466179369;mircea_popescu;"Stephan Tual is the Founder and COO of Slock.it.  Previously CCO for the Ethereum project, Stephan has three startups under his belt and brings 20 years of enterprise IT experience to the Slock.it project. Before discovering the Blockchain, Stephan held CTO positions at leading data analytics companies in London with clients including VISA Europe and BP." <<< schmuck who wrote a blogpost so fucking dumb, it took me 10 minute
1483990;1466179369;mircea_popescu;s to realise he wasn't mocking the inept mit shit but actually playing it straight.
1483991;1466179408;mircea_popescu;this is vaguely reminiscent of the power rangers sucking themselves off on reddit about how great they were at testing some shitlibrary they wrote.
1483992;1466179487;mircea_popescu;other names for prosterity : griff green
1483993;1466179528;thestringpuller;LOL: 1/2 "Thief" now probably coordinating an effort to oppose the hardfork that would see the DAO token holders getting their ETH back
1483994;1466179534;thestringpuller;2/2 - I'd be VERY interested to know the identify of anyone coordinating an effort to oppose a hardfork. PM me stephan@slock.it
1483995;1466179536;mircea_popescu;hurr durr.
1483996;1466179541;shinohai;http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2016/02/09/09-slack-engineers-win-award.w529.h352.jpg  is this why slack sucks?
1483997;1466179543;thestringpuller;holy shit this is gold
1483998;1466179559;thestringpuller;anyone making a killing on shorting eth/dao today?
1483999;1466179644;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller here you go : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b95199c7-65ad-4dfb-a299-64927df591ef/
1484000;1466179647;mircea_popescu;nao wat.
1484001;1466179683;mircea_popescu;shinohai well... plenty of slack there naimean ?
1484002;1466179723;asciilifeform;the slack in question might be a proprietary chat proggy
1484003;1466179738;mircea_popescu;anyway, /me loves how teh usg is spending its crap fiat to try and prop up a crap altcoin.
1484004;1466179748;thestringpuller;Slack is IRC when you slap a bunch fo Javascript and CSS on it.
1484005;1466179754;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah it's some sort of irc
1484006;1466179765;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: it is a kind of poor man's irc. has centralized logs, bots, etc. for money.
1484007;1466179767;shinohai;its hippy irc
1484008;1466179770;mircea_popescu;in the sense ubuntu is linux and systemd a demon
1484009;1466179783;shinohai;lo
1484010;1466179798;asciilifeform;it is payware, centralized, etc., sells subscriptions.
1484011;1466179814;mircea_popescu;anyway. so they're in well over 100 fake mn by now. what's the usg.mit budget for propping up the scamcoin ? any guesses ?
1484012;1466179823;asciilifeform;maxint.
1484013;1466179849;asciilifeform;and it isn't like they had to ~spend~ any
1484014;1466179856;mircea_popescu;so they're actually gonna pay out the whole billion the shitpile is supposedly "market cap" ?
1484015;1466179857;mircea_popescu;epic.
1484016;1466179863;asciilifeform;i doubt they'll pay a cent.
1484017;1466179876;asciilifeform;thing was a scheme for snarfing up btc.
1484018;1466179881;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, the fiat exchanges are even faker than the bitcoin ones, but still, money IS bleeding out. i can assure you of that much :D
1484019;1466179936;asciilifeform;i dun get it. chumps bought in, usg (via shill exchanges) collected usd, btc, in return for shitcoin. that is now worth 0. what does usg lose ?
1484020;1466179950;mircea_popescu;anyway. hopefully they don't get spooked and do as you say. end up paying the market cap out of pocket a dozen times over the next coupla years, one for each consecutive hole.
1484021;1466179966;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the "chumps" bought in worth less than 100k.
1484022;1466179990;mircea_popescu;EVERYTHING else you see is mostly fake in the sense of "my webpage can print any numbers i want it to", and less so in the sense "mit will pay so you say shit smells nice"
1484023;1466180009;mircea_popescu;about 97% to 3% or thereabouts being the split of these two categories, historically.
1484024;1466180013;asciilifeform;then what was the point ? laundry for coke machine plundered btc ?
1484025;1466180015;mircea_popescu;today, more like 84 to 16.
1484026;1466180049;mircea_popescu;the point is EXACTLY the same ineptitude of usgism that created the taliban, "russians must have competitor", and then the isis "taliban must have competitor" and so on.
1484027;1466180051;asciilifeform;i read eth as a standard altcoin scam. 'i'll take your btc, and you can have this magical thing'
1484028;1466180066;mircea_popescu;except these aren't made out of real people, but out of esltards and other civilised shitheads, so they keep falling over.
1484029;1466180079;mircea_popescu;mno, it was ripple v2.0, "usg must have a horse in the race".
1484030;1466180120;mircea_popescu;unfortunately for the "greatest country^H^H^H^H^Hgovernment in the world"'s ambitions, the horse keeps turning out lame and slutty.
1484031;1466180144;shinohai;dao -34.34 %   <<< another 10% since this morning
1484032;1466180169;asciilifeform;shinohai: dun worry, buterin will turn on time rewinding machine !11111 and unhappen it.
1484033;1466180192;shinohai;yay for do overs
1484034;1466180333;mircea_popescu;lol
1484035;1466180362;mircea_popescu;with any luck after he does that he could maybe get a job consulting for the clinton she-slug
1484036;1466180372;mircea_popescu;undo various things, make it be 1992 all over again.
1484037;1466180378;asciilifeform;he will have job when slug is elected.
1484038;1466180387;asciilifeform;and replaces his current boss.
1484039;1466180392;mircea_popescu;and if not elected - unhappen election ? :D
1484040;1466180409;asciilifeform;only way clitler isn't elected is if election is cancelled.
1484041;1466180453;thestringpuller;Funny. Ethereum was able to recreate the traditional banking system in 1% of the time! With bailouts and everything.
1484042;1466180567;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you got a ~57% chance of eating crow come december you know.
1484043;1466180579;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda curious how that'll go :D
1484044;1466180641;asciilifeform;if bbet were around, it would go with me losing some coinz
1484045;1466180643;asciilifeform;as per the last crow.
1484046;1466181083;asciilifeform;http://www.mmegi.bw/index.php?sid=1&aid=36&dir=2010/January/Monday18 << lulzy piece, re one of the ways moneyz are pried loose from folk who dun belong having any
1484047;1466181268;deedbot;[Qntra] In Piece About Journalists Getting Definitions Wrong WaPo Gets Definition Wrong - http://qntra.net/2016/06/in-piece-about-journalists-getting-definitions-wrong-wapo-gets-definition-wrong/
1484048;1466181418;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1484049;1466181424;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 741.37, vol: 16521.92719398 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 716.517, vol: 13639.79754 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 741.65, vol: 110284.08618994 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 3.51664731 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 747.881, vol: 76696.04950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 741.25, vol: 6765.55420433 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.219500141
1484050;1466181897;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/743846826638352385
1484051;1466182987;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/5t6sX << These fuckers forgot to include Waco in their list too!
1484052;1466183076;BingoBoingo;$up fromphuctor
1484053;1466183084;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
1484054;1466183096;fromphuctor;Hey, thanks.
1484055;1466183149;BingoBoingo;You're welcome, now who's your daddy and what does he do.
1484056;1466183173;fromphuctor;I have a bunch of RSA moduli I'd like to test. The phuctor entry page says it requires GPG public keys. How do I format them as GPG keys?
1484057;1466183235;fromphuctor;I have the moduli and the exponents in hex or base64, but I'm not familiar with GPG.
1484058;1466183299;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: where did your moduli come from ?
1484059;1466183341;fromphuctor;x509 certificates for various timestamping servers. All either 2048-bit or 4096-bit, all exponents are 65537.
1484060;1466183369;fromphuctor;This is most idle curiosity on my part, but I think this project is cool.
1484061;1466183376;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: contact jurov, he has a tool for this
1484062;1466183382;fromphuctor;Also if one should be weak, I'll skip using that server.
1484063;1466183454;fromphuctor;PM jurov?
1484064;1466183497;fromphuctor;I'd rather know what the format is and assemble the bits in linqpad, if anyone has a reference lying around. Can't seem to find it quickly via google.
1484065;1466183529;asciilifeform;;;google rfc4880
1484066;1466183530;gribble;Error: We broke The Google!
1484067;1466183543;asciilifeform;https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880
1484068;1466183560;fromphuctor;awesome
1484069;1466183697;fromphuctor;Ah, so I should have been searching for PGP not GPG
1484070;1466183706;fromphuctor;GPG is just an implementation of PGP
1484071;1466183851;fromphuctor;Would be nice to paste in SSH keys too, not just PGP.
1484072;1466183856;fromphuctor;Feature request
1484073;1466183878;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: this is in the works. (it will take a while, because it makes the thing roughly 2x more complicated)
1484074;1466183907;fromphuctor;All it's doing is extracting the rsa modulus before it gets to work, right?
1484075;1466183939;asciilifeform;correct. but the actual db shuffling and conversion to pretty printed www material, etc. is laborious.
1484076;1466183956;fromphuctor;So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
1484077;1466183983;asciilifeform;well no, roughly 95% of the code is related specifically to displaying gpg-format keys.
1484078;1466184004;asciilifeform;(the kind that have fingerprints, usernames, series of moduli that may be shared between multiple keys, etc)
1484079;1466184012;fromphuctor;I see
1484080;1466184020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh yeah ? how much ?
1484081;1466184037;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which
1484082;1466184109;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484044
1484083;1466184109;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 16:24 asciilifeform: if bbet were around, it would go with me losing some coinz
1484084;1466184129;mircea_popescu;the other piece is fucking ridicuouls, "100 of instances worth 30mn a year" is ~the global market of nose hair salons.
1484085;1466184130;phf;ten watch. such much?
1484086;1466184132;asciilifeform;another coupla
1484087;1466184133;trinque;http://www.no-fly-list.com/details/Bo_Saluga << what the fuck are threat vectors and aberrant behavior ranges
1484088;1466184144;mircea_popescu;phf lol!
1484089;1466184147;fromphuctor;Looks like it's going to take me a while to get up to speed on pgp. Is there even a way to minimally wrap an RSA public key without entering name and info fields?
1484090;1466184164;trinque;phf: would you be connecting to the db via btcbase.org ?
1484091;1466184186;fromphuctor;Or do I have to make up dummy names and email addresses? How does that affect phuctor?
1484092;1466184192;asciilifeform;it is harmless
1484093;1466184198;mircea_popescu;and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
1484094;1466184216;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: in fact, this is recommended practice, say something in in the username string re 'this key generated by ... for ...' or the like.
1484095;1466184221;asciilifeform;link back to your site, perhaps
1484096;1466184230;mircea_popescu;traditionally marriage started with kidnapping a woman, much like rome started with borrowed sabines and all flocks of sheep ever started from the neighbour's sheep.
1484097;1466184246;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i meant the insurers
1484098;1466184250;phf;trinque: oh you need to restrict ip?
1484099;1466184254;mircea_popescu;now then : it's a major anthropological tradition, with millions of instances yearly and no dollar value, because the dollar is a meaningless measure of value.
1484100;1466184256;asciilifeform;they are every bit as lulzy as antivirus firms
1484101;1466184276;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, it's a fundamental behaviour at the intersextion of sexuality, property and generational change. so... whatevs.
1484102;1466184282;mircea_popescu;sztupid article.
1484103;1466184295;trinque;phf: yeah I mean, WONT STOP HITLER MITM, but I'd prefer putting your IP in the firewall and pg_hba
1484104;1466184311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: alludes to a largely undocumented insurance chumpatron of unknown size, hence link.
1484105;1466184330;phf;trinque: sure, put 104.131.72.249 and i have another ip which i need to fish out later
1484106;1466184389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's gunk from end to end, i'd rather "read" the excrement found in a bona fide chicken coop.
1484107;1466184429;asciilifeform;will say how ? or argumento ad dirigible ?
1484108;1466184442;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484076 << see the logs, this is covered, we even made a new tmsr standard for rsa.
1484109;1466184442;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 17:19 fromphuctor: So pasting in a bare modulus would be the easiest, and GPG and SSH would just be fancyness to make the website easy to use
1484110;1466184474;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i started to say how : they miss any sort of comprehension of anything. vaguely alluding to shit they read on reddit dun count for journalism.
1484111;1466184557;asciilifeform; "100 of instances worth 30mn a year" << is also, iirc, about same as the market of aston-martin. will say that a-m is also insignificant pissant unworthy of mention ?
1484112;1466184563;asciilifeform;because it isn't disney ?
1484113;1466184564;mircea_popescu;"terrorist security administration" ? lmao!
1484114;1466184581;asciilifeform;yeah it looks somewhat like the 'nsa codename generator' from a few yrs back
1484115;1466184599;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you read an article about "vehicles" that strictly discussed am i would say the AUTHOR is a pissant not worth the mention. which is what i;m saying here also.
1484116;1466184616;mircea_popescu;similarly to how "programmers" of docker and javascript are pissants not worth the mention.
1484117;1466184642;asciilifeform;unless i catastrophically misunderstand, proper kidnapping is intrinsically 'luxury vehicle', like a submarine or dirigible.
1484118;1466184648;mircea_popescu;(fwiw, aston martin sells about half a bil a year, but w/e)
1484119;1466184654;asciilifeform;inflation!111111
1484120;1466184663;mircea_popescu;you catastrophically misunderstand. in no small part because you spend too much time reading idiots.
1484121;1466184681;asciilifeform;prolly any is too much
1484122;1466184688;asciilifeform;so what's a toyota kidnapping look like.
1484123;1466184689;mircea_popescu;kidnapping is intrinsically a marriage arrangement / property settlement / revenue allocation device all in one.
1484124;1466184701;mircea_popescu;i just said! http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484093
1484125;1466184702;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 17:23 mircea_popescu: and the fucking examples are from colombia and whatnot. tell you what, newspapers here were full of some woman who ran a parillada (cheaapo restaurant) who had her kid kidnapped which the newspapers related to her "flashing lots of money" and "publicly declaring she's making asd much as 10-15k pesos a month" (about $800)
1484126;1466184707;asciilifeform;that's of females
1484127;1466184712;asciilifeform;now account for the males ?
1484128;1466184732;mircea_popescu;kidnapping is generally women and children. kidnapped males are maybe 10%, maybe less.
1484129;1466184745;mircea_popescu;(for a very good reason : you need someone to get the money together)
1484130;1466184763;mircea_popescu;but when it does happen, it happens in cunt-centric societies, such as jewry and gypsy etc.
1484131;1466184775;asciilifeform;where wife will happily pay out aha
1484132;1466184793;mircea_popescu;moreover, where wife has the authority to settle estates and dispose of chattels.
1484133;1466184828;mircea_popescu;awww! but ethereum continues to drop ? i thought the usg.mit.mongoloid party had "infinite funds"! !!!
1484134;1466184857;asciilifeform;patience!1111 they'll undrop!
1484135;1466184877;mircea_popescu;mebbe when clinton wins.
1484136;1466184892;asciilifeform;clitlercoin!111111
1484137;1466184897;mircea_popescu;anyway, there's been ~100 cases of "kidnapping" reported in buenos aires last year alone. worth maybe about 1mn all together.
1484138;1466184909;asciilifeform;how many corpse ?
1484139;1466184916;mircea_popescu;these resulted in 1) 0 police interventions ; 2) 0 victims ; 3) a few dozen marriages
1484140;1466184916;mircea_popescu;etc.
1484141;1466184934;asciilifeform;sounds like ordinary bride-stealing
1484142;1466184952;asciilifeform;as seen in pretty much 100% of sufficiently wild untouched orc tribe
1484143;1466184974;mircea_popescu;which is what it mostly is. gotta somehow resolve the joint problems of 1. cunt and money flows need to be matched ; 2. age and money flows need to be matched ; 3. cunt flow and age must be matched.
1484144;1466185000;mircea_popescu;there's scarcely any other stable solution possible to all this than "kidnapping"
1484145;1466185010;asciilifeform;how does the ransom work tho
1484146;1466185023;mircea_popescu;let's take some cases.
1484147;1466185031;asciilifeform;if everybody knows the fella just wanted a bride, why would father pay ransom
1484148;1466185080;mircea_popescu;1. young man is worth X according to young woman, sqrt(X) according to woman's father. 2. man "kidnaps" woman, proving that he's actually worth sqrt(x)+k, where k is the safety margin the father allowed. 3. young couple needs money, and the old faggot owes.
1484149;1466185122;mircea_popescu;1. woman marries, has no children. this is almost always man's fault, but almost nowhere is this known. 2. woman divorces, marries new man, and has children. old man kidnaps child, wants payment for woman.
1484150;1466185138;asciilifeform;nothing about finger-choppings in there tho!
1484151;1466185141;mircea_popescu;which is exactly like "unjust enrichment" case in common law. "i gave youy a broken woman turns out she wasn't broken you owe me"
1484152;1466185149;mircea_popescu;i dunno that any fingers were chopped.
1484153;1466185186;mircea_popescu;another case : fambly does poorly economically, borrows, can't repay. lender goes : either you produce crops or human fat, but you'll produce. so they do. etc.
1484154;1466185190;asciilifeform;so where are the old-fashioned kidnappings where they take 3 sons and send back the head of one, the ears of other, the nose of 3rd ?
1484155;1466185196;mircea_popescu;not here.
1484156;1466185223;mircea_popescu;think in terms of nuclear processes. "where are the pressures that create elements heavier than iron ?" "not in this star"
1484157;1466185238;mircea_popescu;you need supernova, stuff like the soviets falling over, to BRIEFLY get such wonders.
1484158;1466185258;asciilifeform;so happens that we have another su about to nova
1484159;1466185266;asciilifeform;right here
1484160;1466185274;mircea_popescu;o yeah, there'll be plenty of that once the us croaks and the power has to be split up.
1484161;1466185276;mircea_popescu;think mexico++
1484162;1466185397;mircea_popescu;but it won't much last. hard work and competence never lasts.
1484163;1466185421;asciilifeform;like oil well, lasts for so long as the dinojuice is in the ground at sufficient pressure.
1484164;1466185427;asciilifeform;after that - the roustabouts go home.
1484165;1466185438;asciilifeform;as well they should.
1484166;1466185474;asciilifeform;(laziness in resource-impoverished environment is adaptive. i could've sworn we did a thread re this...)
1484167;1466186568;trinque;$key phf
1484168;1466186581;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a9c7630d-38cb-44ff-974b-b8c96480d82e/
1484169;1466186801;trinque;phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/53035bb2-78d3-4e15-9c8f-fc13f89a56cf/
1484170;1466186807;phf;took me a while to figure out why my pgp key doesn't decrypt
1484171;1466186820;trinque;lol, on the pubkey?
1484172;1466186833;phf;that first deedbot url
1484173;1466186862;phf;went pgpdump on it "this is all sigs, what manner of wizardry is this"
1484174;1466186873;phf;i thought the chinese finally got to me
1484175;1466187075;phf;also https://www.reddit.com/r/urbit/comments/4okcm6/were_the_core_urbit_team_ask_us_anything_about
1484176;1466187102;asciilifeform;l0l!
1484177;1466187152;mircea_popescu;lol
1484178;1466187162;mircea_popescu;wait, urbit has a core team ?
1484179;1466187168;asciilifeform;'Urbit has a very good profiler (language integration makes up for a lot of elbow grease), and our attempts to squeeze out performance are usually successful. In extremis, anything can be jetted and probably will.' << yarvin
1484180;1466187187;mircea_popescu;so nothing changed in two-three years ?
1484181;1466187198;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: last i heard (but this was years ago) he had some sweatshop with a buncha college dudes.
1484182;1466187224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform usg.mit a further 20mn in the hole. an' the volume keeps on growing lolz.
1484183;1466187249;asciilifeform;no moar than my electric co is in the hole. goes in, and mostly back out.
1484184;1466187259;asciilifeform;not like his boiz are spending turkey dollars in bolivia.
1484185;1466187265;asciilifeform;they pay ~100% back to landlords.
1484186;1466187298;asciilifeform;that's the key here, fiatola is ~= a superconductor.
1484187;1466187302;asciilifeform;if it 'quenches' - boom.
1484188;1466187332;mircea_popescu;actually most of this is net capital outflows to ~bolivia.
1484189;1466187345;asciilifeform;how's that
1484190;1466187372;mircea_popescu;paying "good" dollars for fake altcoins. to people who aren't americans, or for that matter taxpayers.
1484191;1466187425;mircea_popescu;this is currently, and for as long as it'll last, a black hole in the usg budget to parallel the f-35 airplane-coffeemaker-submarine combo.
1484192;1466187431;mircea_popescu;that also drains ~10mn/hr or somesuch.
1484193;1466187452;asciilifeform;in urbit's case, usg (in its andreessen horowitz face) is paying to keep a dozen bois fed ('press the clown face for a food pellet') and housed (subsidies to silicon valley land racket.) so about 1/1000th of a google.
1484194;1466187509;mircea_popescu;looky, yarvin's fast food bill is no cost, he'd be eating it off ebt anyway. similarly whatever similar schmuck's credit card expenses to the tune of 5k we discussed recently.
1484195;1466187522;asciilifeform;aha!
1484196;1466187525;asciilifeform;so where is the cost
1484197;1466187526;mircea_popescu;this is mostly turkey-izable dollars, and by the million not by the thousand.
1484198;1466187578;asciilifeform;if yer feeding the monkey regardless, why not have it do tricks.
1484199;1466187667;asciilifeform;'We'll announce specifics of a crowdsale soon, so I'm gonna dodge just a little. (Honestly, we're still deciding exactly how to do it). I can say, the idea is to sell a small number of stars and to cap the total number anyone can buy.' << finally the altcoin sc4mz0r motive.
1484200;1466187679;mircea_popescu;and to best understand HOW the turkeyization works, consider the case of argentina, wherein exist both an old cuckold by the name turner as well as a young rapist by the name popescu. now, for whatever imponderable cargo cult reasons (see http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/ for discussion), the local cunts want "dollars". there's a huge difference between situation 1, where turner has 100, and situation 2, wh
1484201;1466187679;mircea_popescu;ere BOTH turner and popescu have 100 : in the second situation, turner doesn't stand a chance.
1484202;1466187682;asciilifeform;^ not that it was ever a secret, was announced quite clearly on day1
1484203;1466187697;mircea_popescu;this allows mp to turkey-ize the fake dollars, by denying a market to the usg agentura.
1484204;1466187701;mircea_popescu;this is important.
1484205;1466187779;asciilifeform;my understanding is that turner is living in a mental 1950s when he thinks he can pick up red phone, united fruit style, and call us marine corps.
1484206;1466187792;asciilifeform;if his ar latifundista thing goes sideways
1484207;1466187793;mircea_popescu;that's entirely his problem.
1484208;1466187812;asciilifeform;not problem until he picks up the handset and nobody answers
1484209;1466187838;mircea_popescu;but what's important here is the "turning fake dollars into turkey dolars through market destruction/replacement" mechanism.
1484210;1466187863;mircea_popescu;the "convertibility" of 1:1 turkey dollars to fiat dollars is a very expensive proposition.
1484211;1466187876;mircea_popescu;and this is exactly how soros raped the bank of england, fake convertibilities form circuits.
1484212;1466187886;asciilifeform;arse-mouth system
1484213;1466187908;mircea_popescu;the ~only solution is, obviously, a withdrawal of the usg inside its borders. which has been happening and is accelerating.
1484214;1466187936;mircea_popescu;and which, as an end game, i'm perfectly fine with. who the fuck cares the soviets don't like living in the best countryt in the world. a) i told them to leave and b) if they deserved any better they'd shoot the gestapo.
1484215;1466187938;asciilifeform;sorta like that famous (in certain circles) case where u.s. mint 'sold' crates of coins, at face value, and folks bought'em, putting it on a cc with 2% cashback, and loop
1484216;1466187947;mircea_popescu;aha.
1484217;1466187972;mircea_popescu;except there's no 2% here, i would be much surprised if a fiat dollar is worth a turkey cent.
1484218;1466187987;asciilifeform;it is difficult to discuss 'it is worth'
1484219;1466187993;mircea_popescu;true.
1484220;1466187994;asciilifeform;what is arcade token worth outside of arcade ?
1484221;1466188010;asciilifeform;a washington metro pass in moscow ? etc
1484222;1466188072;trinque;http://freebeacon.com/issues/jake-tapper-slams-obama-administrations-poor-transparency-betrays-certain-disdain-public/ << hilarious.
1484223;1466188133;asciilifeform;'Urbit has a strict membership code. No pedos and no Nazis. And especially no pedonazis.'
1484224;1466188146;asciilifeform;'For example, I would love to offer my own children a filtered Internet experience where I owned and controlled the filter. Ideally, that would mean an MITM proxy running on my own cloud server. I would not trust anyone else to MITM me or my children, but I feel quite comfortable MITMing my 8-year-old daughter. So that's another long-term use case.' << also mr mold
1484225;1466188232;asciilifeform;oh so precious:
1484226;1466188234;asciilifeform;'I'd like to ask specifically about Fare's criticism of large jets. Since it's highly unlikely that the Hoon implementation is bug-for-bug compatible with the native markdown parser, is including that parser in a jet an "unprincipled exception" to Urbit's vision of deterministic functional purity? An even better example is the possible future inclusion of a native JS or Lua interpreter... V8 in particular is a massive project that ro
1484227;1466188235;asciilifeform;utinely publishes breaking changes - note the trouble node.js has had tracking upstream.'
1484228;1466188252;asciilifeform;^ question from peanut gallery
1484229;1466188387;mircea_popescu;trinque cnn moving on the buttered side.
1484230;1466188397;mircea_popescu;this election's gonna be a total bloodbath.
1484231;1466188681;asciilifeform;trump is no moar electable than perot was, and for same reason - will try to push the buttons that aren't connected to anything, and get belligerent, and has the resources to attempt to do something about it
1484232;1466188772;mircea_popescu;there's a very simple choice, "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that time machine activates and it's 1992 all over again" vs "push buttons connected to nothing in particular in the hopes that something burns down".
1484233;1466188782;mircea_popescu;it currently looks like it's going to go the 2nd way.
1484234;1466188792;asciilifeform;(then again it is quite possible that all of 'his' money is denominated in buffettola, and he's entirely compliant, i have nfi)
1484235;1466188818;mircea_popescu;guy is ~a bankrupt tv star, "all his money" stuff is bs. he's poor as a church mouse, all his capital is imagologic.
1484236;1466188844;asciilifeform;then entirely electable as an obamatronic muppet.
1484237;1466188915;trinque;I see him more like the guy who, guts hanging out after a grenade, tries as he might to stuff them back in.
1484238;1466188925;trinque;intentions don't really matter; it's whether he can do anything he's rambling about
1484239;1466188951;trinque;I don't think he's a puppet; I think he's the spray-tanned caricature of something better cultures produce
1484240;1466188954;mircea_popescu;trinque ~nothing he's said makes any sense in any actual perspective. the man's a walking soundbite.
1484241;1466188959;asciilifeform;trinque: the last time they elected a fella who actually thought the buttons were connected, they had to shoot him later
1484242;1466188977;trinque;we're gonna build a wall.. a great wall... so great
1484243;1466188978;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i've not followed closely. maybe someone can produce an item of trump's that's actually actionable in any manner.
1484244;1466188983;trinque;not at all
1484245;1466189038;mircea_popescu;anyone bored enough to enumerate the "auto-surv stats" bs on that no-fly-list.com page ?
1484246;1466189057;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: reads 100% shannonized
1484247;1466189062;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this nonsense, 4 significant digit ek rate ? "gait" described in what looks like multiple bytes ?
1484248;1466189067;mircea_popescu;no fucking way this makes any sort of sense.
1484249;1466189071;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha!
1484250;1466189071;asciilifeform;it's a gag
1484251;1466189076;asciilifeform;like that nsa generator
1484252;1466189082;asciilifeform;i thought this was mighty clear
1484253;1466189086;trinque;heh! who can tell
1484254;1466189100;asciilifeform;the genuine article - afaik - never leaked.
1484255;1466189106;asciilifeform;(at least not publicly)
1484256;1466189107;mircea_popescu;there's no good way to distinguish sheer stupidity from randomness. the usg is ~about this dumb irl.
1484257;1466189111;mircea_popescu;so no, not clear.
1484258;1466189121;asciilifeform;i have nfi what the genuine stupidity looked like.
1484259;1466189145;mircea_popescu;o wait, we have a breaking ethereum update :
1484260;1466189155;mircea_popescu;http://67.media.tumblr.com/8684c20bd6ca56760f1ed2ee94fdd74e/tumblr_nm8cf5nKt51tt1lr0o1_500.gif
1484261;1466189173;asciilifeform;l0l!
1484262;1466189187;asciilifeform;conan the barbarian ?
1484263;1466189218;mircea_popescu;doing the martyred saint etherea of the dao!
1484264;1466189255;mircea_popescu;(notice the rollbacks on her buttocks, also)
1484265;1466189266;asciilifeform;lolbacks.
1484266;1466190536;jurov;whoever wants my tool for converting rsa moduli to phuctor, send him to http://explo.yt/post/2016/05/20/Parsing-OpenSSH-RSA-keys-in-Python
1484267;1466190610;jurov;(it's missing in da url, but it's set in stone now i guess)
1484268;1466191516;trinque;hell I'll give Trump this: he's talked about pulling out of NATO and improving the relationship with Russia.
1484269;1466191531;trinque;doesn't really count as a plan, but it's sanity
1484270;1466191550;BingoBoingo;What the KGB did to American culture is unforgivable
1484271;1466191679;trinque;eh I don't care; the US dicked the USSR in the ass whenever it could too
1484272;1466191703;jurov;thestringpuller: still having probles with coinbr orders?
1484273;1466191987;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-strike-idUSKCN0Z306L << and lately USG helps Al Qaeda / ISIS to what end? presumably to light a fire all along the southern border of Russia.
1484274;1466192015;trinque;so the ass-dicking continueth
1484275;1466192311;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-russia-idUSKCN0Z30W3 << huh, guess the "moderates" and the "terrorists" don't shoot each other when they mingle
1484276;1466192995;trinque;$up Twix
1484277;1466193003;deedbot;Twix voiced for 30 minutes.
1484278;1466193031;trinque;hello Twix. who are you?
1484279;1466193039;Twix;hi, i'm twix
1484280;1466193083;shinohai;$s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twix
1484281;1466193084;a111;1 results for "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twix", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTwix
1484282;1466193113;trinque;Twix: what brings you here?
1484283;1466193136;Twix;i don't really know
1484284;1466193166;Twix;i think my bouncer remembered i joined a while ago
1484285;1466193197;trinque;alrighty
1484286;1466193519;BingoBoingo;Who is your daddy and what does he do?
1484287;1466194328;shinohai;http://www.12news.com/news/local/valley/phoenix-police-officer-shoots-man-70-waving-toy-gun/246472448
1484288;1466194338;shinohai;[dumbass]
1484289;1466194356;Framedragger;asciilifeform: re openpgp format: wait a sec, doesn'tt the 'packet' (as they are called there it seems) containing user info have to be signed or sth?
1484290;1466194386;Framedragger;are you sure your tool will parse an 'artificial' openpgp key generated from public e,N only?
1484291;1466194408;Framedragger;jurov: are you around and if so did you end up finding a way to make this work?
1484292;1466194413;jurov;Framedragger: yes it does
1484293;1466194423;Framedragger;re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461059
1484294;1466194423;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 14:24 jurov: if it requires self-signature, then testing ssh keys is out
1484295;1466194430;jurov;you could have tested it yourself in less time than you typed above
1484296;1466194441;Framedragger;notrly
1484297;1466194443;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you'd be surprised what is ACTUALLY signed.
1484298;1466194457;Framedragger;jurov: irc interface is for the lazy people
1484299;1466194463;Framedragger;distributed computing on the other end
1484300;1466194473;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah, lol :(
1484301;1466194485;jurov;um.. i thought copying and pasting code is for lazy people
1484302;1466194501;jurov;but times have moved on, i see :)
1484303;1466194519;*;Framedragger oblivious to any condescending remarks :P
1484304;1466194525;Framedragger;impervious*
1484305;1466194541;Framedragger;jurov: do you have a script which uses PGPy and generates rfc4880 from e,N, then?
1484306;1466194548;jurov;lol you think the latter is better?
1484307;1466194550;trinque;Framedragger oblivious to any condescending remarks :P << wahahaha
1484308;1466194573;Framedragger;sometimes, maybe
1484309;1466194622;jurov;Framedragger:  http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484266
1484310;1466194623;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 19:08 jurov: whoever wants my tool for converting rsa moduli to phuctor, send him to http://explo.yt/post/2016/05/20/Parsing-OpenSSH-RSA-keys-in-Python
1484311;1466194628;Framedragger;look i just came back from an awesome mountain hike, can't even move my legs, but have just enough energy to re-use someone else's precious hacky code to test the ssh-rsa db entries
1484312;1466194649;Framedragger;jurov: apologies for not spotting the above, and thank you muchly!
1484313;1466194649;Framedragger;:)
1484314;1466195791;Framedragger;asciilifeform: yeah so i'll prolly end up dumping 10M ssh keys on phuctor's ass, via its web interface. i wonder if phuctor can handle parallel requests, to a point :P i won't be an asshole about it.
1484315;1466195816;Framedragger;fwiw the db will still be available in e,N,IP format at http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/
1484316;1466195913;mircea_popescu;Framedragger that's a silly idea wtf. 99% of the work will be the web interfacing.
1484317;1466195956;mircea_popescu;teh rambunctiousness o' youth.
1484318;1466195985;Framedragger;alf doesn't have time for much else. but this is just me being restless
1484319;1466195997;Framedragger;no hurries at all i guess
1484320;1466196007;mircea_popescu;eh give the man a moment wouldja. it's been what, two days ?
1484321;1466196039;Framedragger;kk, yeah, sorry!
1484322;1466196039;Framedragger; /afk
1484323;1466196043;mircea_popescu;i mean i get it, it's exciting and all, but really, it'll still be here next week an' no good reason to hussle peoples. nobody was tailgating the shit out of you when you were doing the crawling
1484324;1466196063;Framedragger;i know, i'm not trying to tailgate, jeebus
1484325;1466196067;Framedragger;'ocourse.
1484326;1466196067;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if you're itching for something to sink teeth into,
1484327;1466196086;mircea_popescu;look into how to make a rebased version of any of the 3-4 items that await their rebasing.
1484328;1466196098;mircea_popescu;figuring out how v works should keep you busy for at least a coupla days.
1484329;1466196103;Framedragger;will take a look, ok. bbl
1484330;1466196228;asciilifeform;Framedragger: if you send me a tarball, they'll go in wholesale.
1484331;1466196239;asciilifeform;can even go in parallel with the current sks pump.
1484332;1466196259;asciilifeform;(the latter is presently at 2580575/4265572 )
1484333;1466196311;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what did we have that was due for rebase ?
1484334;1466196342;mircea_popescu;wasn't some stuff added by funkenstain and the p guy what was his name
1484335;1466196352;asciilifeform;polarbeard
1484336;1466196357;mircea_popescu;that guy eventually had enough of our dumbass an' left huh
1484337;1466196435;mircea_popescu;aaand another 20mn.
1484338;1466196467;mircea_popescu;2.5 hours!
1484339;1466196535;asciilifeform;the unhappenator is gonna have to work double-hard
1484340;1466196540;asciilifeform;to unhappen this pile'of'shit.
1484341;1466196560;asciilifeform;or were we not still on the eth thing
1484342;1466197632;mircea_popescu;yea we were.
1484343;1466197767;mircea_popescu;~what i'm expecting is that in typical inept overwhelmed imperial bureaucracy fashion, some "ceiling"'s going to get hit and before the red tape can be cut through, the true buyer side'll be actually exposed and visible. a visage so grotesque and horrific as to forever mark itself in the hindbrains of all involved.
1484344;1466197857;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo in other nyooz, saw ad for quite intact row house for 26k-usd. then looked on map - it is across the street from the infamous pharmacy that was epicenter of bmore riot! go, buy ?
1484345;1466197858;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1484346;1466197901;mircea_popescu;"poloniex" for instance (about 3/4 of the eth fakery) claims ~6k btc on the buy side. bullcrap.
1484347;1466197951;mircea_popescu;(~80% of which is under 0.01 ftr)
1484348;1466197960;shinohai;In Venezuela it is called pollon-ex
1484349;1466198024;mircea_popescu;but anywya, it should be very instructive that the whole pretense of "1bn market cap" etc is based on a negligible sum of cash, that's not even truthfully exposed.
1484350;1466198048;asciilifeform;$up rdponticelli
1484351;1466198049;deedbot;rdponticelli voiced for 30 minutes.
1484352;1466198062;asciilifeform;rdponticelli: hi?
1484353;1466198080;rdponticelli;Hi
1484354;1466198086;asciilifeform;who might you be ?
1484355;1466198136;rdponticelli;Same nick in wot
1484356;1466198169;rdponticelli;Is mpex still functional?
1484357;1466198600;rdponticelli;!ident
1484358;1466198600;gribble;Nick 'rdponticelli', with hostmask 'rdponticelli!~quassel@190.103.200.15', is identified as user 'rdponticelli', with GPG key id 007D7A89C6DF7B2D, key fingerprint 1BC479F968C1D01EA388673A007D7A89C6DF7B2D, and bitcoin address 1MdZetHwDt8SJjVZSkG9GrRdJWrXizu9RE
1484359;1466199098;trinque;$gettrust deedbot rdponticelli
1484360;1466199099;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
1484361;1466199160;trinque;rdponticelli: you'll be able to self-voice with a PM to deedbot with $up
1484362;1466199241;rdponticelli;Thank you
1484363;1466200135;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> ;;later tell BingoBoingo in other nyooz, saw ad for quite intact row house for 26k-usd. then looked on map - it is across the street from the infamous pharmacy that was epicenter of bmore riot! go, buy ? << But how many people can it quarter compared to Motel?
1484364;1466200895;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/reo/5628729757.html << nfi. possibly - scam.
1484365;1466200926;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or maybe it was http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/reo/5634879040.html
1484366;1466200928;asciilifeform;i fuhget.
1484367;1466200934;asciilifeform;prolly all sc4mz0rs.
1484368;1466200951;BingoBoingo;3BR < 6 Motels rooms
1484369;1466200972;asciilifeform;but can you get fiber there.
1484370;1466200986;asciilifeform;no fiber - may as well be antarctica.
1484371;1466200990;asciilifeform;srsly.
1484372;1466201590;BingoBoingo;Anyways that's not a scam. This is a scam https://stlouis.craigslist.org/dmg/5639867480.html
1484373;1466204919;trinque;oh man, the fatties are lined up on the street here to go to the Trump "rally".
1484374;1466204933;trinque;I suppose they're lucky the "rally" has seating and AC
1484375;1466205432;BingoBoingo;Trump, fat. Clitler, fat.
1484376;1466207525;mircea_popescu;they're both just old-man-fat, though.
1484377;1466207589;mircea_popescu;aaand 150mn day on day. aww!
1484378;1466207719;mircea_popescu;ethereum has officially cost 1% of the total mit endowment.
1484379;1466207723;mircea_popescu;in one day.
1484380;1466208101;BingoBoingo;Win!
1484381;1466208193;mircea_popescu;with any luck, by 2017 they're entirely spent. that'd be such a perfect outcome of the whole ethereum idiocy i can't begin to tell you.
1484382;1466208283;BingoBoingo;They'll just burn the next school's endowment.
1484383;1466208453;shinohai;"Practically, this should mark the end of The DAO. The SlockIt folks should work hard to dismantle the fund and return the coins back to the investors in as orderly a fashion as possible.'
1484384;1466209603;mircea_popescu;stephan@slock.it that was all cocky with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1483994 bullshit has, of course, lost his voice.
1484385;1466209603;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 16:05 thestringpuller: 2/2 - I'd be VERY interested to know the identify of anyone coordinating an effort to oppose a hardfork. PM me stephan@slock.it
1484386;1466209632;mircea_popescu;these brave weeklings, all tough and impressive as they've read on the inside of the eggshell.
1484387;1466211011;shinohai;http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/15/it-was-like-a-blessing-man-finds-allah-written-in-a-watermelon-5945900/
1484388;1466211829;thestringpuller;http://intheoreum.org << lulz
1484389;1466211834;thestringpuller;jurov: i'll try in a second
1484390;1466211871;shinohai;https://btc.com/vote/subject/show/550a9d74f15875822df459c9de76ce127e53f6cda713827996d16b8d13e3122a   <<< lulzworthy bitbet
1484391;1466211910;thestringpuller;jurov: it works
1484392;1466212281;asciilifeform; http://dpaste.com/1SH9EQA.txt << lulz from horse's mouth
1484393;1466213826;thestringpuller;https://btc.com/86f03176beef99ac2f5adecd39b964f874f5ec615a9d01e88ac781c6e669753c 17/Jun/2016 Vitalik Buterin on brink of 1st bailout for DAOs
1484394;1466213837;thestringpuller;that was not supposed to blink like that
1484395;1466213903;shinohai;https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/743972769717641216 "Reminder: the fact that we were reduced to begging exchanges and spamming our own blockchain is a testament to ethereum's decentralization"
1484396;1466213966;thestringpuller;yea too many people are making money shorting eth right now to halt trading
1484397;1466214119;trinque;shinohai: holy shit; I thought that was your mock-paraphrase
1484398;1466214163;trinque;This is good for Ethereum! (TM) (R)
1484399;1466214255;shinohai;:D~
1484400;1466214490;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11340455409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@sherpany.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FD1F5A39C2449D3C826DF9CBC70E30181A60577B56E9A61A23AEF0BDF776BCAD
1484401;1466215786;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sucj idiots.
1484402;1466215842;trinque;how the hell does a "distributed autonomous organization" give a statement
1484403;1466215862;mircea_popescu;you don't understand how "the world" works.
1484404;1466215862;mircea_popescu;lmao.
1484405;1466215877;trinque;must be like the voice of the people or something
1484406;1466215889;mircea_popescu;yeah, speaking through whatever nigger.
1484407;1466215908;mircea_popescu;vitalik niggerin, as the case may be.
1484408;1466215976;mircea_popescu;$up smickles
1484409;1466215979;deedbot;smickles voiced for 30 minutes.
1484410;1466215988;mircea_popescu;hey check it out, smickles ! how's eve ?
1484411;1466216014;smickles;eh, the borked the market
1484412;1466216025;smickles;*they being the game devs
1484413;1466216036;mircea_popescu;was kinda borked afore, imo.
1484414;1466216079;smickles;yeah, but you could still have fun with it, but now there are massive fees for trading. they are using it for an isk-sink
1484415;1466216094;mircea_popescu;heh. is the society still active or anything ?
1484416;1466216161;smickles;naw, unfortunately it died quickly. I gave a few goes at recovering it, but was unsuccessful
1484417;1466216167;mircea_popescu;a well.
1484418;1466216171;mircea_popescu;you gonna try eulora ?
1484419;1466216207;smickles;I've got that on a list of things to do :)
1484420;1466216233;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot smickles
1484421;1466216233;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 4 by 4 connections.
1484422;1466216241;mircea_popescu;aite. you can self voice, pm deedbot $up
1484423;1466216263;smickles;nifty
1484424;1466216397;mircea_popescu;what else is new ?
1484425;1466216644;smickles;not much, i'm having fun writing a trade bot again. going to do some machine learning stuff with it
1484426;1466216781;shinohai;http://fox59.com/2016/06/15/indy-waitress-upset-over-best-butt-award-from-scottys-brewhouse/   <<< "I'm more than just a great ass"
1484427;1466217132;mircea_popescu;ic.
1484428;1466217151;mircea_popescu;wtf is an "indy" waitress.
1484429;1466217777;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484400 << flipolade, snore.
1484430;1466217777;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 01:48 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 11340455409 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@sherpany.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FD1F5A39C2449D3C826DF9CBC70E30181A60577B56E9A61A23AEF0BDF776BCAD
1484431;1466217824;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484426 << articled disappoints by not actually showing butt 
1484432;1466217824;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 02:26 shinohai: http://fox59.com/2016/06/15/indy-waitress-upset-over-best-butt-award-from-scottys-brewhouse/   <<< "I'm more than just a great ass"
1484433;1466217897;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484428 << indianapolis
1484434;1466217897;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 02:32 mircea_popescu: wtf is an "indy" waitress.
1484435;1466217976;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484396 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193376
1484436;1466217977;a111;Logged on 2015-07-08 17:08 mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
1484437;1466217977;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 01:39 thestringpuller: yea too many people are making money shorting eth right now to halt trading
1484438;1466218047;asciilifeform;'Sherpany is the first independent platform that facilitates close, personal and tangible communication between companies, boards of directors and investors. Modern companies can solidify the loyalty of investors, focus on their work in the board of directors and increase corporate governance with Sherpany.' << wat.
1484439;1466218087;asciilifeform;'SUCCESSFUL WOMEN HAVE A NEW FRIEND. AND IT IS NOT WHO YOU THINK' << lel
1484440;1466218129;asciilifeform;apparently cosmic rayz luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv 'The Sherpany Investor Service lets you include your shareholders in advance of the General Meeting, recognise early what matters to them and facilitates new ways of voting (eVoting).'
1484441;1466220055;BingoBoingo;lol "Ryan has endorsed Trump. But his use of the word “conscience” could prove helpful to delegates organizing the anti-Trump campaign because they are pushing to pass a “conscience clause” that would unbind delegates and allow them to vote for whomever they want"
1484442;1466222571;BingoBoingo;Remember when ben_vulpes had free time? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/12_crs-on-btc-notes-and-jokes.html
1484443;1466222859;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484442 << yeah those were the dayz
1484444;1466222860;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 04:02 BingoBoingo: Remember when ben_vulpes had free time? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/12_crs-on-btc-notes-and-jokes.html
1484445;1466222919;BingoBoingo;brb
1484446;1466224245;asciilifeform;;;later tell ben_vulpes you have #b-a links in blog
1484447;1466224246;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1484448;1466226864;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo basically republican niggers want to represent, but nobody in particular.
1484449;1466245206;thestringpuller;even with new code blockchain is fractured
1484450;1466245212;thestringpuller;looks like power outage killed it?
1484451;1466245225;thestringpuller;can I just re build blockchain index? << mod6
1484452;1466245231;thestringpuller;;;later tell mod6 ^^^
1484453;1466245231;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1484454;1466245696;jurov;thestringpuller: if there's a problem with blockchain/index, better start from the beginning or known good backup
1484455;1466248166;thestringpuller;jurov: looks like I'm rebootstrapping from ground 0
1484456;1466248167;thestringpuller;:(
1484457;1466248180;thestringpuller;guess node will be ready in 2 months
1484458;1466248226;thestringpuller;http://pastebin.com/CCGUBgDG << the attacker is threatening to use loawyers
1484459;1466249680;Framedragger;https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/743883153094283266 << heheh. i really like this dude
1484460;1466249693;Framedragger;transcript of one of his talks http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
1484461;1466250448;thestringpuller;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/d0ffe0ee-9148-4bdd-8aca-ae2380303b39/
1484462;1466250448;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1484463;1466258370;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484457   <<< do you have pogo or spare hdd to rsync chain to ?
1484464;1466258370;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 11:09 thestringpuller: guess node will be ready in 2 months
1484465;1466260265;thestringpuller;shinohai: issue is more that blkindex is corrupted
1484466;1466260333;thestringpuller;so i don't think it will sync to current. this was due to power outage. (i've done kill -9, so i'd assume same effect?)
1484467;1466260366;thestringpuller;^^^- that is I don't think it will send or ask for new blocks...it's "stuck" permanently.
1484468;1466261872;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller make a habit of keeping a backup of the blockchain.
1484469;1466261907;mircea_popescu;expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
1484470;1466261912;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: not quite news yet. Anyone can make a pastebin. Also batteries
1484471;1466261997;mircea_popescu;awww, no longer 2 bitcent to the ether ? whay socialist miracles never last!!!11
1484472;1466262000;*;mircea_popescu blames the jews.
1484473;1466262088;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1484474;1466262094;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 749.55, vol: 5320.24830455 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 724.014, vol: 6083.47776 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 752.54, vol: 52167.10303816 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 0.93071807 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 760.8478, vol: 48591.04150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 755.996, vol: 4414.19933683 | Volume-weighted last average: 754.507996511
1484475;1466262103;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1484476;1466262105;gribble;Current Blocks: 416867 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1484477;1466262166;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: yea next time it syncs i'll back it up for sure to multiple drives.
1484478;1466262507;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: But seriously bitcoind can be rather sensitive to sudden loss of power. Machine running it needs plugged into a battery.
1484479;1466262530;mircea_popescu;for BingoBoingo's own lulz collection : http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
1484480;1466262727;BingoBoingo;Win
1484481;1466262818;mircea_popescu;added a ps too. aaanyways.
1484482;1466263031;thestringpuller;it's funny.
1484483;1466263042;thestringpuller;ethereum bragged about how commoonitee was unified
1484484;1466263050;thestringpuller;now big ether holders are PISSED
1484485;1466263063;thestringpuller;and buterin is freaking out cause if they don't like the "hackers" coins, they can't move to PoS
1484486;1466263066;thestringpuller;it gg
1484487;1466263112;thestringpuller;s/like/lock/
1484488;1466263177;mircea_popescu;awww.
1484489;1466263202;mircea_popescu;you telling me the whole entire field of usgtronic plans collapsed suddenly and irretrievably one fine morning ?
1484490;1466263209;mircea_popescu;BUT WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY PREDICTED!
1484491;1466263307;deedbot;[Qntra] You Aren't Ready For Smart Contracts - http://qntra.net/2016/06/you-arent-ready-for-smart-contracts/
1484492;1466263496;thestringpuller;https://twitter.com/bitcoin_comics/status/744162042269949953
1484493;1466263517;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/06/guccifer2-16-0618.zip << claims to be moar docz
1484494;1466263517;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1484495;1466263551;deedbot;[Trilema] To the DAO and the Ethereum community : Fuck you. - http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
1484496;1466263849;asciilifeform;lel did mircea_popescu personally behead ? or is this a mirror
1484497;1466263889;mircea_popescu;;)
1484498;1466263937;asciilifeform;btw footnote 1 of http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion seems to be the tidbit i was looking for in the last thread re jed mccaleb
1484499;1466263949;asciilifeform;the no. 2 funder of yudkowsky's scam
1484500;1466263987;mircea_popescu;win!
1484501;1466264107;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484469 << i have this but it is not cheap (raid5, card with own battery, daily verifications, giant ups, etc)
1484502;1466264108;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 14:58 mircea_popescu: expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
1484503;1466264149;asciilifeform;the long-term answer is a ~journaling~ 'bitcoinfs.'
1484504;1466264158;mircea_popescu;as stated in teh logs yeh
1484505;1466264206;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484460 << gold
1484506;1466264206;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 11:34 Framedragger: transcript of one of his talks http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
1484507;1466264218;asciilifeform;gimme back the '90s www.
1484508;1466264220;shinohai;I'm using my unused pogo as datastore for it xD
1484509;1466264707;BingoBoingo;shinohai: ty for an article that draws out so many comments qntra.net/2016/06/buterins-waterfall-unveils-log-plume-to-wood-chipper-ride/
1484510;1466264843;mircea_popescu;lol
1484511;1466265124;shinohai;the lulz were bound to spill from that one on it's own
1484512;1466265179;mircea_popescu;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oovpi/to_the_dao_and_the_ethereum_community/ << in other lulz.
1484513;1466265317;thestringpuller;ethereum is plummeting
1484514;1466265322;thestringpuller;everyone is waking up and selling holy fuck
1484515;1466265323;mircea_popescu;no ?
1484516;1466265381;mircea_popescu;o check it out, lost a whole dollar since trilema article. one more and it's under 10.
1484517;1466265479;mircea_popescu;aaand trading 0.0137 btc nao. aww!
1484518;1466265714;asciilifeform;l0l! nailing the doors shut didn't help?!111
1484519;1466265804;thestringpuller;i know right!
1484520;1466265809;thestringpuller;he halted all trading
1484521;1466265812;thestringpuller;what does he expect?
1484522;1466265833;thestringpuller;how to kill a 1.5bn dollar bubble overnight, the buterin waterfall story
1484523;1466265943;shinohai;ETH: -32.80 %   DAO: -49.42 %
1484524;1466265959;mod6;asciilifeform: hey (i think I've asked this before) but; the blkcut utility doesn't allow a guy to exacto-knife one block out of a blkindex file does it?
1484525;1466265959;asciilifeform;to the -moon !
1484526;1466266002;asciilifeform;mod6: no, because it is an O(N) operation
1484527;1466266004;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit
1484528;1466266024;asciilifeform;but you can trivially add a feature that skips n blocks
1484529;1466266039;mod6;well, im kinda trying to .. lol in a short cut way (without having to try to actually use it)
1484530;1466266062;mod6;im got my hands full. am asking for thestringpuller who seems to be struggling
1484531;1466266065;asciilifeform;there's nothing else to do but looks at every block up to N and wind forward s bytes
1484532;1466266080;mircea_popescu;and in further lulz installments, http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117593
1484533;1466266124;asciilifeform;mod6: easiest thing is just to set extract = 1 only when n = B, where B is the block you want.
1484534;1466266200;mod6;ok. cool. yeah, was thinking it'd be cool if we could get his blockchain height, say 408,001 and then chop off the last say, 1000 blocks so he'd be starting at 407,001
1484535;1466266214;mod6;maybe that'd fix his problem.
1484536;1466266371;mod6;thestringpuller: anyway, i get that you're "pissed" as you said the other day. if this is production server, you need to have some sort of backups indeed imo.  if this is development, well, it's all part of the fun.
1484537;1466266393;shinohai;\o/ yay for fun
1484538;1466266395;thestringpuller;mod6: np. i just nuked and paved
1484539;1466266415;thestringpuller;so i'll jus tstart synching from ascii's node then i'll swap out for SSD once it picks up
1484540;1466266418;thestringpuller;then we go from there
1484541;1466266428;thestringpuller;i don't think anything was wrong with that build just power outage corruption.
1484542;1466266431;thestringpuller;no biggie
1484543;1466266465;mircea_popescu;aaaand 9.96
1484544;1466266467;mod6;i think others have had problems with the same exact thing.  power goes out -> bad things may happen.
1484545;1466266515;mod6;i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
1484546;1466266529;shinohai;I can usually sync from backup, chop last blkxxx.dat and catch right back up pretty quick
1484547;1466266543;thestringpuller;damn. i should have tried that
1484548;1466266548;thestringpuller;never again. we pay for our lessons.
1484549;1466266555;mod6;s/in the future/after adding a feature/
1484550;1466266569;mod6;shinohai has it.
1484551;1466266582;mod6;you could just ditch the entire latest one (numerically)
1484552;1466266620;mod6;but it'd be a much better tool to just produce a new file with all blocks in the original previous to block n.
1484553;1466266659;mod6;so if your block index goes from 385,000 to 408,000, you could tell it "407,000" and then the output would contain everything from 385,000 to 407,000
1484554;1466266672;mod6;something like that.  does this make sense?
1484555;1466266675;thestringpuller;yea
1484556;1466266682;mod6;asciilifeform?
1484557;1466266685;thestringpuller;good advice for the future.
1484558;1466266689;thestringpuller;thx shinohai mod6
1484559;1466266723;mod6;sorry i've been afk much of the week.  have been pulling super long days shit-shoveling.
1484560;1466266749;mod6;was so glad to finally be done, as of 5 minutes ago.  but now, have to go clean gutters :/
1484561;1466266766;mod6;i'll be back around later.  best of luck thestringpuller
1484562;1466266808;thestringpuller;np. it's a matter of time
1484563;1466266947;asciilifeform;mod6: was eating food, back
1484564;1466267008;mod6;asciilifeform: ok.  im thinking about a new feature for your tool, or perhaps, a new tool altogether.
1484565;1466267017;mod6;was wondering if it makes some sense to do that.
1484566;1466267019;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484545 << pretty sure it is the ~index~ that gets hosed, not the blocks
1484567;1466267019;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 16:15 mod6: i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
1484568;1466267019;mircea_popescu;mod6 dun worry eh, teh republic's eternal.
1484569;1466267032;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform has it though. bdb keeps a rather dubious index structure.
1484570;1466267047;mod6;ah, right.
1484571;1466267051;mod6;hmm.
1484572;1466267093;mod6;this is almost worth me like creating a development environment where I can take a copy of chain and just do some playing around on there. even with a broken chain.
1484573;1466267106;mod6;maybe there is something that can be written to heal the index.
1484574;1466267148;mod6;bdb is such a pile of crap.
1484575;1466267171;mats;more advice for the future: buy a ups.
1484576;1466267182;mod6;i'll think on this a bit while scraping biological gunk out of metal things.
1484577;1466267187;mod6;mats: werd
1484578;1466267204;asciilifeform;mats: this doesn't solve the problem in a guaranteed way, as the thing has been known to crash
1484579;1466267214;asciilifeform;(elementarily - oom)
1484580;1466267230;asciilifeform;mod6 is cleaning a pig farm or wut
1484581;1466267239;mod6;gutters
1484582;1466267241;asciilifeform;ah
1484583;1466267242;mircea_popescu;slaughterhouse lol
1484584;1466267257;mod6;heheh, someday when i buy the hog and cattle farms
1484585;1466267284;mircea_popescu;but in other "visual etherape news for the illiterate generation", http://67.media.tumblr.com/36e00e3012c6f7f252b86d785f444e79/tumblr_o4ja87GL7E1vo212ao1_400.gif
1484586;1466267322;asciilifeform;lel is that toilet plunger ?
1484587;1466267332;mircea_popescu;nah, drill bit.
1484588;1466267347;mod6;"here, try this rubber popsicle"
1484589;1466267364;asciilifeform;mmmhgmhmhm.
1484590;1466267370;mod6;heheh
1484591;1466267381;mod6;alright wish me luck
1484592;1466267502;asciilifeform;https://poloniex.com/marginTrading#btc_eth << lulzy
1484593;1466267687;mircea_popescu;aww.
1484594;1466267723;*;asciilifeform hasn't looked at alt-turds for eons, now somewhat astonished
1484595;1466267727;asciilifeform;'maidsafe' is still alive ?!
1484596;1466267734;asciilifeform;and even litecoin
1484597;1466267743;asciilifeform;or is this more of a 'that is not dead which can eternal lie'
1484598;1466267750;mircea_popescu;butofcourse.
1484599;1466267770;mircea_popescu;nothing ever truly dies, just falls to the bottommost layer of the dumb ocean.
1484600;1466267782;asciilifeform;'doge' lives.
1484601;1466267795;mircea_popescu;aha.
1484602;1466267803;mircea_popescu;hey, even ripple is still there. "one day".
1484603;1466267829;asciilifeform;dafuq is a 'factom'
1484604;1466267844;asciilifeform;or 'dash' (0.1 btc even ?!)
1484605;1466267849;asciilifeform;0.01
1484606;1466267870;mircea_popescu;well, these numbers are a) arbitrary and b) unbacked.
1484607;1466267893;asciilifeform;eh you can prolly buy ~handful~ for the advertised quote
1484608;1466267913;asciilifeform;salt lick for homo redditicus
1484609;1466267985;mircea_popescu;hey, redditards & mit CREATE WEALTH!
1484610;1466268107;asciilifeform;http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/18/business/dealbook/hacker-may-have-removed-more-than-50-million-from-experimental-cybercurrency-project.html << moar lulz
1484611;1466268179;thestringpuller;so the mineres may not
1484612;1466268191;thestringpuller;enforce the soft fork, and let the dao holder suffer.
1484613;1466268275;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1483930 << step 1 is done !
1484614;1466268276;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 14:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next, watch the usg agents derping about how "cryptocurrency is dead because our shitscheme imploded" ; and once that goes nowhere, watch them come back to bitcoin to "fix" the "consensus problems" it "has".
1484615;1466268289;mircea_popescu;aww!
1484616;1466268295;mircea_popescu;BUT WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED~
1484617;1466268373;*;mircea_popescu gloats over how his lines read better retrospectively than prospectively. THIS is true literature, and i doubt very much one in a hundred "genius writers" and other revered authors of yore qualify.
1484618;1466269899;jurov;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11929241 lol right on da frontpage
1484619;1466270135;mircea_popescu;check out all teh butthurt.
1484620;1466270226;asciilifeform;ninjashogun's del key broke or wut
1484621;1466270252;asciilifeform;or he went out to put moar petrol in the 2-cycle unhappenator motor.
1484622;1466270436;asciilifeform;$up daoattacker
1484623;1466270438;deedbot;daoattacker voiced for 30 minutes.
1484624;1466270453;mircea_popescu;deedbot you're leaking ip.
1484625;1466270466;daoattacker;thanks for the trilema mircea_popescu
1484626;1466270469;mircea_popescu;cheers.
1484627;1466270481;daoattacker;what's hilarious is that the signature isn't even valid
1484628;1466270507;mircea_popescu;how did you check ?
1484629;1466270568;daoattacker;usually something like https://github.com/ethereumjs/helpeth
1484630;1466270588;daoattacker;but I wrote the pastebin, the signature is fake ;)
1484631;1466270597;mircea_popescu;oic.
1484632;1466270657;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re alts from earlier thread, seems like usg already just now picked successor turdcoin: https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2016/06/17/st-awards-199k-austin-based-factom-inc-iot-systems-security
1484633;1466270677;mircea_popescu;200k, not the sort of commitment worth the chase.
1484634;1466270682;asciilifeform;(mega-pile-of-cash! will buy 1 brogrammer)
1484635;1466270696;mircea_popescu;let 'em pump it to an imaginary billion fiats and get all politically invested in it first, naimean.
1484636;1466270781;daoattacker;meanwhile http://archive.is/nMYaJ
1484637;1466270884;daoattacker;btw fuck you mircea_popescu, but enemy of my enemy is my friend <3
1484638;1466270898;mircea_popescu;mmmkay...
1484639;1466271010;asciilifeform;daoattacker: why use a fake signature ?
1484640;1466271053;daoattacker;asciilifeform, because i'm not the attacker, LOL. yet people ate it up.
1484641;1466271069;smickles;it was delicious
1484642;1466271078;daoattacker;https://xkcd.com/1181/
1484643;1466271081;asciilifeform;that was the suggested lul yes
1484644;1466271297;thestringpuller;fud is the fuel of volatility
1484645;1466271305;thestringpuller;let the price plummet
1484646;1466271884;mircea_popescu;$up realdaoattacker
1484647;1466271893;deedbot;realdaoattacker voiced for 30 minutes.
1484648;1466271896;mircea_popescu;don't tell me, let me guess...
1484649;1466271906;shinohai;>.>
1484650;1466271930;realdaoattacker;Thanks for the article in Trilema mircea_popescu
1484651;1466271939;mircea_popescu;yes yes.
1484652;1466271958;asciilifeform;we're waiting for evenmoardefinitelyundoubtedlyrealdaoattacker
1484653;1466271962;mircea_popescu;you're welcome, now drop your xkcd or 9gag or whatever an' move on.
1484654;1466272004;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the advantage of crypto - it allows one to make absolute statements, but people dunno how to use it, so it at least gives them something to talk about.
1484655;1466272022;asciilifeform;like mains current in 1880
1484656;1466272026;mircea_popescu;the only thing worse than having something to talk about being not having something to talk about.
1484657;1466272033;asciilifeform;drunks could grab hold of the wire and become phamous
1484658;1466272037;asciilifeform;as they sizzled, sizzled.
1484659;1466272081;asciilifeform;the parallels are astonishingly close and i've thought about writing whole monograph about it
1484660;1466272139;asciilifeform;(roughly in the vein of paragraph1 of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 )
1484661;1466272187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it is rather notable though that the largest threat perceived by muppets and their drivers alike is "mp doing things". far, FAR above you know, their shitpile collapsing in a loud mess, the ONE thing that's worth expending the unhappeningium is, mp!
1484662;1466272262;asciilifeform;usg muppets are somewhat like roaches, except peculiarly intelligent ones which ~know about ddt~
1484663;1466272272;mircea_popescu;slutty wife prays "god, let me be pregnant or not, but in either case please don't let my husband figure out HOW". socialist prays "god, let the etherape happen or not, but in either case please don't let THE BAD GUY have done things!"
1484664;1466272289;asciilifeform;the ur-threat to muppet is the man of will
1484665;1466272301;asciilifeform;so naturally that's where all of the squid ink must be directed.
1484666;1466272334;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy though. i certainly had a nice saturday morning
1484667;1466272461;mircea_popescu;and when i finally croak ima go to saint peter an' say loudly an' clearly "what are you droning on about, old man, i didn't do nuttin'. ASK ANYONE!"
1484668;1466272463;mircea_popescu;win-win, as they say.
1484669;1466272490;asciilifeform;$b 3
1484670;1466272497;asciilifeform;^ this still dun do nuffin, eh
1484671;1466272508;mircea_popescu;well... it can be searched for...
1484672;1466272513;asciilifeform;aha.
1484673;1466272728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'd read your first work of anthropology, re mains.
1484674;1466273260;asciilifeform;perhaps in peacetime - i will write.
1484675;1466274138;mircea_popescu;$up Bugpowder
1484676;1466274145;deedbot;Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
1484677;1466274148;Bugpowder;tx mp
1484678;1466274180;mircea_popescu;$gettrust deedbot Bugpowder
1484679;1466274181;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
1484680;1466274196;mircea_popescu;you can self-voice, pm the bot $up then $v
1484681;1466274210;Bugpowder;gotta grab keys off old laptop...
1484682;1466274216;mircea_popescu;aha.
1484683;1466274235;Bugpowder;only if signed into WoT?
1484684;1466274261;mircea_popescu;$up fm0
1484685;1466274262;deedbot;fm0 voiced for 30 minutes.
1484686;1466274275;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder yes, you must be in the bot's wot.
1484687;1466274330;Bugpowder;not gribble tho, but deedbot? New bot. Can u point me to faq if one exists.
1484688;1466274345;mircea_popescu;hmm, lesee here
1484689;1466274404;mircea_popescu;$help
1484690;1466274404;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1484691;1466274415;Bugpowder;tx
1484692;1466274454;Bugpowder;Now to pull the keys off the old machine…  Hey it turned on, a good sign!
1484693;1466274780;Bugpowder;list keys gives a graveyard of fails… e.g. Kludge
1484694;1466274835;thestringpuller;LOL
1484695;1466274899;mircea_popescu;$up cryptoflood
1484696;1466274900;deedbot;cryptoflood voiced for 30 minutes.
1484697;1466274965;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder heh. kludge ie http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/
1484698;1466274991;Bugpowder;That guy…   oh man
1484699;1466275286;Bugpowder;Keys recovered.  Now should only take me 2-8 more hours to figure out how to setup gpg and ident…
1484700;1466275326;mircea_popescu;lol
1484701;1466275343;jurov;O.o 2-8 hours
1484702;1466275435;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder btw, there's no ident. we got rid of state. all you do is decrypt a message.
1484703;1466275450;mircea_popescu;and once you do it, be a darling and put a page on the wiki, for the next guy.
1484704;1466275509;Bugpowder;ok… uhhh… I’ll ask more questions once i got gpg running and I get stuk.  tx
1484705;1466275577;mircea_popescu;in other news, trilema servers can apparently take 100k surges without even hiccuping. nb.
1484706;1466276427;mircea_popescu;in other somewhat-lolz, https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4op7eb/mircea_popescu_to_the_dao_and_the_ethereum/d4eg61b
1484707;1466276433;Framedragger;> realdaoattacker [ba17b74e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.23.183.78] entered the room.
1484708;1466276433;Framedragger;> curl ipinfo.io/186.23.183.78
1484709;1466276433;Framedragger;[...] "city": "Buenos Aires", [...] "country": "AR"
1484710;1466276433;Framedragger;konspiraci!!!
1484711;1466276568;asciilifeform;https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/exclusive-full-interview-transcript-alleged-dao-attacker << moar lulz
1484712;1466276584;mircea_popescu;Framedragger word!
1484713;1466276659;mircea_popescu;i wonder how many internet urchins are being "the attacker" rightnao
1484714;1466276662;mircea_popescu;oh i mean, rightdao
1484715;1466276663;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: btw just fyi that sig on that pastebin post is probably all wrong, https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oo1io/an_open_letter_from_the_hacker/d4e7efq - just sayin
1484716;1466276668;Framedragger;heheh.
1484717;1466276689;Framedragger;not that it matters, to a point
1484718;1466276690;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ima reiterate http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484628
1484719;1466276691;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 17:21 mircea_popescu: how did you check ?
1484720;1466276729;Framedragger;ooh imma read upthread, didn't see that bit
1484721;1466276865;Framedragger;oh wow everything's even more lulsy. awesome.
1484722;1466276914;asciilifeform;also wtf, buterin hired some imbecile to write the dao thing?!
1484723;1466276949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lulz of all time : the thing you linked links to qntra via a NOT CLICKABLE reference to https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/cnlqcd
1484724;1466276963;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1484725;1466276975;mircea_popescu;must suck to want to matter THIS BADLY and yet not be able to
1484726;1466276984;Framedragger;asciilifeform: and apparently this particular "such recursion" flaw had already been spotted in a 2015 securiti audit? https://github.com/LeastAuthority/ethereum-analyses/blob/master/GasEcon.md#callstack-depth-limit-errors
1484727;1466277060;Framedragger;"Someone could trick an autonomous agent into calling get_free_money() at the end of a very long call stack, such that thesend fails, and the agent would lose its money to this contract." etc
1484728;1466277066;asciilifeform;i confess to never having given enough of a fuck re the eth circus to keep track in real time. but fortunately ~somebody~ did...
1484729;1466277083;mircea_popescu;fortunately.
1484730;1466277098;Framedragger;same, honestly, this has been uncovered only now, but, like, wtf, it's right there in a security audit, wtf
1484731;1466277105;Framedragger;you know, not even that obscure
1484732;1466277122;mircea_popescu;really, the claim is that buterin and the MIT are mongoloids.
1484733;1466277131;asciilifeform;i guess everybody else went 'not worth a bullet'
1484734;1466277151;mircea_popescu;not that o noes, this was such a great skillfully involved etc "hack"
1484735;1466277221;Framedragger;i just find it amusing in general, yeah pointing out not as a contra, but, just, for the lulz
1484736;1466277227;shinohai;Is this daoattacker fr ... BA ?
1484737;1466277273;Framedragger;shinohai: runaway side effect of turing complete contracts. some a.i. leakage unavoidable.
1484738;1466277297;shinohai;>.>
1484739;1466277349;Framedragger;wow im not gonna read all of it but https://github.com/LeastAuthority/ethereum-analyses/blob/master/GasEcon.md is amusing, ethereum is sorta shite on the purely technical level, too
1484740;1466277354;*;Framedragger behind on the news
1484741;1466277523;shinohai;https://www.fxinter.net/en/free-realtime-forex-news.aspx?ID=160987&direct=Exclusive%3a%20Full%20Interview%20Transcript%20with%20Alleged%20DAO%20%E2%80%9CAttacker%E2%80%9D
1484742;1466277526;shinohai;^ lo
1484743;1466277581;asciilifeform;duplicate
1484744;1466277640;shinohai;Interesting that so many "news sources" shat out same interview all at once.
1484745;1466277910;mircea_popescu;Framedragger so it is.
1484746;1466277942;mircea_popescu;shinohai this is ~the result of google existing, basically.
1484747;1466278067;shinohai;ctrl+v
1484748;1466278109;Framedragger;> soon we will have a smart contract to reward miners who oppose the soft fork and mines the transaction. 1 million ether + 100 btc will be shared with miners.
1484749;1466278109;Framedragger;*popcorn*
1484750;1466278352;mircea_popescu;$up DaoSancho
1484751;1466278356;deedbot;DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
1484752;1466278418;mircea_popescu;ima go pick up a slut, will be back in a few hours. just in case any gavin andresen implementations feel the burning need to derp here.
1484753;1466278588;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: "fuck your village" thanks for the lols :D
1484754;1466280190;mod6;gutters are clean.
1484755;1466280193;mod6;wewt
1484756;1466281682;mod6;this neat: https://github.com/znort987/blockparser
1484757;1466281791;mod6;anyone else ever used this?
1484758;1466281797;mod6;or looked at it?
1484759;1466281990;shinohai;I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first
1484760;1466282029;mod6;yeah, looks like it.  thought maybe i'd learn a thing or two by reading this code.
1484761;1466282391;mod6;"As of this writing, it needs a log of RAM to work, typically upwards of 25Gigs." :D
1484762;1466282405;mod6;but like i said, something to be learned from this maybe
1484763;1466282420;shinohai;shouldn't this be possible to an extent with dumpblock ?
1484764;1466282462;mod6;im on the same thought track - yeah.
1484765;1466282733;shinohai;I'll start poking it with stick.
1484766;1466283145;mod6;no need really.
1484767;1466283178;mod6;just thinking about this stuff... food for thought
1484768;1466283321;mircea_popescu;sooo... apple "withholds" "tech aid" from trump campaign. best fucking thing that ever happened to those people, not being bogged down by macs & shit.
1484769;1466283463;mircea_popescu;and in today's lulz offering for asciilifeform , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1325398/Euro-court-outlaws-criticism-of-EU.html
1484770;1466283844;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484769 << lol this has gotta be a gag, it is just too lulzy
1484771;1466283844;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 20:57 mircea_popescu: and in today's lulz offering for asciilifeform , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1325398/Euro-court-outlaws-criticism-of-EU.html
1484772;1466283859;mircea_popescu;well, telegraph.
1484773;1466283886;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484759 << holy fuck WHY
1484774;1466283887;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 20:33 shinohai: I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first
1484775;1466284305;shinohai;I'll wind most anything up once to see if it wobbles.
1484776;1466284354;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i always thought the reference there must be "idiot's village".
1484777;1466289116;mats;;;seen jurov
1484778;1466289117;gribble;jurov was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <jurov> O.o 2-8 hours
1484779;1466291236;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHdAEIOp_m0 << we find from comments.
1484780;1466291449;shinohai;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/744232061377122304
1484781;1466291987;mircea_popescu;lol
1484782;1466291996;mircea_popescu;that schmuck's still around even ?
1484783;1466292002;thestringpuller;yup
1484784;1466292007;thestringpuller;he even had a dao proposal
1484785;1466292030;mircea_popescu;derp is something else. his "speaking skills" ? "expertise" ?
1484786;1466292062;mircea_popescu;does it take some sort of skill and expertise to be loudly wrong about everything you say and collect a whole trophycase of "that one time i was so ridiculous people laughed at me for a week" ?
1484787;1466292101;mircea_popescu;amusingly, even twitter's tearing him a new one. lol. mmmmkay. EXPERTISE!
1484788;1466292219;asciilifeform;betcha he collects payola.
1484789;1466292316;mircea_popescu;well of course, he exists because the asshole behind ers&co's "we'll get UBER RICH by backstabbing rms", the one with the shoddy "guide" textbook publishing scam, promoted him way back when.
1484790;1466292358;mircea_popescu;kinda the strategy of that mini usg, "find pliable idiots in all fields, promote them, get payola when/if nsa needs some planting done"
1484791;1466292411;asciilifeform;it is of course possible that he works, but i can't picture this.
1484792;1466292495;mircea_popescu;there was a pretty decent monograph on how the early days of "open source" vs "free software" played out, with the wanna-be derp front and center, i think linked in the logs.
1484793;1466292498;mircea_popescu;dja happen to recall it ?
1484794;1466292509;asciilifeform;esr?
1484795;1466292515;mircea_popescu;nah nah. the books guy
1484796;1466292521;asciilifeform;oreilly?
1484797;1466292523;mircea_popescu;what's his name, some steve jobs wannabe
1484798;1466292524;mircea_popescu;ya
1484799;1466292542;asciilifeform;$s oreilly
1484800;1466292542;a111;6 results for "oreilly", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=oreilly
1484801;1466292614;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-11#972638 << that's in the zone.
1484802;1466292615;a111;Logged on 2015-01-11 03:50 mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
1484803;1466292808;mircea_popescu;http://www.thebaffler.com/articles/the-meme-hustler << monograph in question
1484804;1466292809;asciilifeform;i always thought that oreilley - the dead tree thing - were purely opportunistic
1484805;1466292826;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform absolutely, yeah.
1484806;1466292840;mircea_popescu;sort-of like any weed, trying to go in empty land
1484807;1466292951;asciilifeform;not that the man isn't a snake
1484808;1466292959;mircea_popescu;right.
1484809;1466292990;asciilifeform;but he printed andreas because 1,000,001 chumps were ready to buy, not because prb necessarily.
1484810;1466292991;mircea_popescu;which is the story here. derpopo's o'reilly's point man in "cryptoblockchainaltechnologies" after being kicked the fuck out of bitcoin.
1484811;1466292999;mircea_popescu;(nobody could have predicted&it never happened etc)
1484812;1466293028;mircea_popescu;he printed for the same reason vc generally prints : "gotta have finger in all pies you never know which you want later".
1484813;1466293038;mircea_popescu;0 to do with demand, which a) doesn't exist and b) is ALWAYS marketing driven anywa.
1484814;1466293048;mircea_popescu;or what, you think anyone WANTED to read the fucking harry potter nonsense ?
1484815;1466293119;asciilifeform;nfi, i never did...
1484816;1466293160;asciilifeform;i'd rather read us state dept memis from 1940s.
1484817;1466293227;asciilifeform;or - what i'm reading now, under a shade tree in middle of town - fusor schematics.
1484818;1466293261;asciilifeform;mega-recommended, and moar interesting than folks think
1484819;1466293384;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'demand doesn't exist' << is this naggum's binders thing ??
1484820;1466293397;asciilifeform;$s ring binders
1484821;1466293398;a111;10 results for "ring binders", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=ring%20binders
1484822;1466293419;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429394
1484823;1466293420;a111;Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
1484824;1466294583;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform mostly, yeah/
1484825;1466294778;mircea_popescu;personally i'm much more invested in beheading the schmuck over the "web 2.0" bullshit than whatever foss drama.
1484826;1466294790;mircea_popescu;someone somewhere absolutely has to hang for "web 2.0"
1484827;1466294880;asciilifeform;netscape / jwz.
1484828;1466294912;mircea_popescu;no, as a general rule drones hang for what they are, queens hang for what they did. there's really little other than "he's jwz" needed to hang jwz.
1484829;1466294945;shinohai;http://vessenes.com/   <<< out of nowhere PETER VESSENES Ladies and Gentleman!
1484830;1466294986;mircea_popescu;another bitcoin scammer moved on to altcoins ?
1484831;1466294990;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 'weeds must spread' apparently encompasses every possible thing: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fusion_woo
1484832;1466295023;mircea_popescu;ugly fucker, too.
1484833;1466295039;asciilifeform;yudkowsky & co 'debunk' any un-usgtronic item they can think of
1484834;1466295042;mircea_popescu;where's all these ugly schmucks come from. check out frank luntz for a nightmare sometime.
1484835;1466295071;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i thought they weren't active no moar ?
1484836;1466295088;asciilifeform;lw is largely cold
1484837;1466295103;asciilifeform;but the inhabitants spread elsewhere.
1484838;1466295215;mircea_popescu;that said, there's a bunch of crap floating around cold fusion. a sort of quantum computing.
1484839;1466295295;asciilifeform;plays ~same role as 'chemtrails'
1484840;1466295424;asciilifeform;(largely propagated by naturally-occurring idiots, but usg wins from their existence and sometimes throws a bone, ensuring that their voice will be loud and clear in any nominally 'deviant' forum)
1484841;1466295485;asciilifeform;sorta how 'aliens did it' folk unfailingly appear in all '9-11 truth' discussions.
1484842;1466295497;mircea_popescu;depends where.
1484843;1466295501;mircea_popescu;not all venues are created equal.
1484844;1466295537;asciilifeform;anywhere public / wotless.
1484845;1466295550;mircea_popescu;well sure.
1484846;1466295564;mircea_popescu;and the "call X for cocksucking" notices unfailingly appear in all public restrooms
1484847;1466295576;mircea_popescu;(except in fucking argentina, these people are too mentally slow to even that.)
1484848;1466295755;asciilifeform;an interesting exercise, for patient folks, is to follow the usg tendrils backwards in time, observing what subjects had been dealt with by seeding public forum with crank bait, long before 'blocksizs wars' etc.
1484849;1466295776;asciilifeform;fusion pops up as one such. there were many other subjs.
1484850;1466295861;asciilifeform;'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel
1484851;1466295865;smickles;oh what a fun looking command
1484852;1466295873;smickles;$s moon
1484853;1466295874;a111;446 results for "moon", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=moon
1484854;1466295877;mircea_popescu;aha.
1484855;1466295913;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is absolutely no "consensus" re early physics. there';s at least a dozen articulated theories, maybe broadly classifiable in 3-4 groups.
1484856;1466295935;mircea_popescu;the only conensus would be of esltards and junior high unionized teachers.
1484857;1466295939;asciilifeform;for ustards there is ALWAYS a 'consensus'.
1484858;1466295944;asciilifeform;aha!
1484859;1466295945;mircea_popescu;heh.
1484860;1466295971;asciilifeform;'what ted talk said' --> konsensooos.
1484861;1466296003;asciilifeform;climatolade, etc.
1484862;1466296017;mircea_popescu;if only. xckd & 9gag more like it.
1484863;1466296054;asciilifeform;tendrils of the squid.
1484864;1466299398;shinohai;lol Factom up 44.97 %  iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
1484865;1466299799;hanbot;<asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
1484866;1466302527;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484864 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484632
1484867;1466302527;a111;Logged on 2016-06-18 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re alts from earlier thread, seems like usg already just now picked successor turdcoin: https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2016/06/17/st-awards-199k-austin-based-factom-inc-iot-systems-security
1484868;1466302527;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 01:23 shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 %  iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
1484869;1466302540;asciilifeform;usgolade.
1484870;1466302670;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484865 << the zombies' notion of 'substance' is quite the same 'palace economy' as their concept of, e.g., political legitimacy - a magical juice produced at harvard and distributed to the mandarins and from there down to 'deserving' plebes.
1484871;1466302670;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 01:29 hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
1484872;1466304075;mircea_popescu;sorta like moses with his magical black box
1484873;1466304157;mircea_popescu;also das ist sehr butt fur Bit-coin.
1484874;1466304615;phf;whenever i hear of mainstream consensus... i unlock my browning
1484875;1466307425;asciilifeform;^^^
1484876;1466307857;asciilifeform;one key bit of insight is that 'self-licking ice cream cones' - which is to say, all 'mainstream science', as carried out by mandarins who leave their balls in a jar via the degree-wank-till-you're-45 method (vs the ancient and more humane sharp knife and rope one) all produce very much the same output.
1484877;1466307945;asciilifeform;which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as interested in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is interested in elementary proof of fermat, or the software 'industry' - in 'fits in head', etc.
1484878;1466307980;asciilifeform;the one thing ~every~ idiocy is unerringly good at is recognizing direct threats to own perpetuation.
1484879;1466308065;asciilifeform;and yes, 'them crackpots are crayzeeeee' - for same reason as the folks shooting at usg are. because after 100 yrs of 'we control vertical and horizontal' only the nuts are left to resist.
1484880;1466308167;asciilifeform;wot is the one and only potential penicillin for this.
1484881;1466308195;asciilifeform;which is why 1,001 flavours of ninjashotguns instinctively attack the notion.
1484882;1466308459;deedbot;[Qntra] Quebec Political Party Quietly Invited All Possible Observers To Internal Discussions - http://qntra.net/2016/06/quebec-political-party-quietly-invited-all-possible-observers-to-internal-discussions/
1484883;1466308765;asciilifeform;in other lulz, usg is pumping air back into eth ?
1484884;1466308828;asciilifeform;i'm still not convinced that there's been any net leakage of 'turkey dollar.'
1484885;1466308981;BingoBoingo;Just wait till the real DAOist posts pics of all their turkeys
1484886;1466309513;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that goes without saying, for you.
1484887;1466309596;asciilifeform;lolk
1484888;1466309673;asciilifeform;this is rather like, e.g., rutherford's observation that electron doesn't fall out of its orbit by radiating away energy, and hence is not analogous to orbiting moon.
1484889;1466309675;mircea_popescu;well no but it's part of the asciilifeform apodicticology, "nothing that ever happens could disrupt usg".
1484890;1466309679;asciilifeform;something is missing in the model.
1484891;1466309705;asciilifeform;if usg were bleeding turkey dollars, the successive iterations of altpump would lose vigour.
1484892;1466309716;mircea_popescu;how's that follow ?
1484893;1466309721;asciilifeform;alternatively it isn't a closed system
1484894;1466309725;mircea_popescu;no, on the contrary, the more it bleeds the more vigorous it gets.
1484895;1466309726;asciilifeform;and is powered by elsewhere.
1484896;1466309743;mircea_popescu;fish similarly, the better it's hooked, the more it struggles.
1484897;1466309750;asciilifeform;possibly.
1484898;1466309752;mircea_popescu;and not "closed system", uses own kidney fat.
1484899;1466309760;mircea_popescu;which is an externality.
1484900;1466309771;mircea_popescu;the immense piled wealth 1850-1950 keeps on unwinding.
1484901;1466309804;asciilifeform;i predicted, for instance, that there would be a usgtronic alt backed by actual fiatola. which hasn't happened yet.
1484902;1466309811;asciilifeform;possibly - next cycle..?
1484903;1466309814;mircea_popescu;takes a shitload of stupid to get a world power into african level. took the russians what, a half century to unwind the last four tsars (stalin being the 4th)
1484904;1466309839;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody cares enough about fiat. all backing will be through bitcoin, because bitcoin has monopoly on currency now.
1484905;1466309848;mircea_popescu;they lost that war, years ago. it's on trilema actually.
1484906;1466309852;asciilifeform;well how the hell do you back a scamcoin with actual bitcoin
1484907;1466309859;mircea_popescu;ikr?
1484908;1466309878;asciilifeform;can only work with at least mildly broken bitcoin, e.g., the timelock thing
1484909;1466309897;mircea_popescu;can "work" the same way everything else they do "works".
1484910;1466309902;asciilifeform;( as per http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920116 )
1484911;1466309902;a111;Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
1484912;1466309909;mircea_popescu;for as long as willing to pretend, works fine.
1484913;1466309918;asciilifeform;pretendjuice is finite resource
1484914;1466309921;mircea_popescu;not so.
1484915;1466309947;mircea_popescu;pretendjuice is the least finite of all resources. even today, after all the men are dead and all the women long raped into usefullness, the hittite empire pretend still lives, unsung and alone.
1484916;1466309968;mircea_popescu;in a language not even understood, under many layers of dirt, the capital of name unknown never fell.
1484917;1466309994;asciilifeform;for instance, i recently went, in usa no less, to an airport, and was shown into an actual airplane which actually burned some actual petro and actually flew. whereas if pretendjuice were not a finite resource, i would probably have been sat down in a cardboard box and 'zoom, zoom'
1484918;1466310008;asciilifeform;but this would not leave sufficient juice left over for pretending other pretenses
1484919;1466310030;mircea_popescu;there is that. but the clockwork of pretense doesn't actually prevent the general point.
1484920;1466310039;mircea_popescu;you ARE given a paper which "shows" you "own" house. right ?
1484921;1466310056;asciilifeform;this is possible because the scarce juice is saved for it.
1484922;1466310059;asciilifeform;and not otherwise.
1484923;1466310080;asciilifeform;(it is not scarce in the sense that there is little of it, but in the sense where it is strictly finite and conserved)
1484924;1466310080;mircea_popescu;i don't think it's a matter of scarcity necessarily. that the sea flows through fjords does not mean the sea is finite.
1484925;1466310092;mircea_popescu;no, just, respects the shape of larger items.
1484926;1466310133;asciilifeform;looking at the religions of the past (the selfsame inca empire, my recent kick) i've come to suspect that the overall 'belief load' typical human can carry is roughly constant
1484927;1466310137;asciilifeform;across various times/places
1484928;1466310156;mircea_popescu;this may be a valid theory.
1484929;1466310157;asciilifeform;just like the weight of knapsack a healthy young bloke can march with is roughly same today as in rome
1484930;1466310162;mircea_popescu;how do you scalar the belief load tho ?
1484931;1466310203;asciilifeform;this camel you only know when it's back breaks.
1484932;1466310213;asciilifeform;*its
1484933;1466310229;mircea_popescu;incidentally : no camel back ever breaks. the animal won't stand if it ~thinks~ it's overloaded.
1484934;1466310247;asciilifeform;if camel had only slightly more forebrain, and were more like man, it could break.
1484935;1466310258;asciilifeform;could convince itself to try to carry the overload.
1484936;1466310289;mircea_popescu;there's some dispersion re this property in nature. some animals will eat themselves sick. some won't.
1484937;1466310293;mircea_popescu;doesn't exactly relate to brain.
1484938;1466310304;mircea_popescu;(horse won't, pig will, cow won't, rabbit will, etc)
1484939;1466310332;asciilifeform;depends, roughly, on the scarcity of food they coevolved with.
1484940;1466310361;mircea_popescu;more like variation i think. rabbits, pigs, all have this boom feeding thing.
1484941;1466310375;mircea_popescu;"now is the time to eat"
1484942;1466310378;asciilifeform;that would make sense.
1484943;1466310552;asciilifeform;but, to revisit mircea_popescu's earlier observation, the pretense does have to respect the shape of the larger item.
1484944;1466310582;mircea_popescu;anyway, if you're doing palace economy studies, the inca are a dubious, mostly backward in fact and hallucinated in theory and description example. meanwhile, the late bronze age anatolia, levant and golden crescent are much better studied, understood and documented.
1484945;1466310599;asciilifeform;minoans, iirc.
1484946;1466310601;mircea_popescu;they were ~all palace economies, they were all wiped in the ~same half century cca 1300 bc, as the iron age begun
1484947;1466310624;mircea_popescu;not just. hittites, minoans, egyptians, you name it. all fell the weight of the greek-ish "people of the sea"
1484948;1466310713;asciilifeform;same re the inca, simply the iron age 'began' late for them, had to sail across the pond.
1484949;1466310796;mircea_popescu;pylos, mycene, knossos, troy, hattusa, tarsus, ugarith, qadesh, byblos, there's many dozens more, all towns that were major centers [of palace economy] and were never heard from again.
1484950;1466310813;mircea_popescu;in fact, the classics agree, if mostly tacitly, that the loss was indeed greater, culturally, than the end of the roman empire.
1484951;1466310839;mircea_popescu;pretty much all the "ancient towns" that did make it, memphis to tyre and sardis etc were rebuilt after being sacked at that time as well.
1484952;1466310860;mircea_popescu;(and to niniveh, assur, babylon in the east)
1484953;1466310935;mircea_popescu;but the important point is that the highly centralized, redistributive socialism of the 1300s gave way to a very independent, village-centered economy of the early iron age.
1484954;1466311068;asciilifeform;pet sayeth: 'possibly archaeologists in many cases found mondo palace and concluded - 'palace economy', centralized'
1484955;1466311086;mircea_popescu;(its evolution in turn based on a very simple notion, directly accessible to the very simple minds then roaming the earth - as quarry taken is to be distributed by the hunt boss, so everything is a quarry and so everything is to be split up. this works for non-pastoral societies quite well, but when it runs into the better organised, smarter and generally more effectual shepherds and riders they get raped.)
1484956;1466311122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's not the whole story, but yes, "pharaoh" means great house, for one thing, and it's not practical given the resources of the time to build a great house in any other system.
1484957;1466311127;asciilifeform;'convinced re the minoans given as we have writing, less so re others'
1484958;1466311149;mircea_popescu;(memorably, a pharaoh of the period speaks of the HORROR of the SEVEN!!111!! ships that came and ravaged his lands. imagine - seven's enough, not even a thousand warriors' worth.)
1484959;1466311170;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we have plenty of egyptian writings, yes. also cuneiforms variously, and aramaic mention.
1484960;1466311190;asciilifeform;the '7' could be a '1, 2, 3, many' item.
1484961;1466311201;mircea_popescu;could, but likely is not.
1484962;1466311207;asciilifeform;or 7 fleets, etc.
1484963;1466311208;mircea_popescu;lemme see if i can find it.
1484964;1466311423;mircea_popescu;a here we go!
1484965;1466311454;mircea_popescu;https://books.google.com.ar/books?id=5ODTCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA322#v=onepage&q&f=false
1484966;1466311485;asciilifeform;lol, 'you have reached the limit for viewing!'
1484967;1466311488;asciilifeform;ALL PAGES
1484968;1466311491;asciilifeform;motherfuckers.
1484969;1466311492;mircea_popescu;tsk,
1484970;1466311806;mircea_popescu;anyway, the situation at the time is very much reminiscent of the current usg palace economy. one warrior is more than a match for many thousand "upstanding citizens". if seven ships worth 1k people sporting kalash with infinte ammo landed on us west coast, which consisted of "start-up culture" only, the result would be very much what happened at the end of the bronze age, or for that matter at the end of the aztec empire.
1484971;1466311816;mircea_popescu;cortes burned the whole thing with what, five hundred men ?
1484972;1466311847;mircea_popescu;shit, i could DEFINITELY burn down the ~10mn strong buenos aires with a thousand people, that were actual people ie, the sort one'd run into back in the yugoslav war days.
1484973;1466311961;asciilifeform;and mircea_popescu could probably kill WHOLE HERD of cows with pocket knife. and then what.
1484974;1466311982;mircea_popescu;and then rape the daughters and tie them seven to a pole and so on. what.
1484975;1466312029;asciilifeform;'ecologically dirty'
1484976;1466312032;asciilifeform;gotta make moar somehow.
1484977;1466312036;mircea_popescu;the point being - that not only is the palace economy drone incapable of living as an effectual human being. it is much more importantly UNWILLING TO BECOME ONE. which is the main point.
1484978;1466312062;mircea_popescu;which is why and wherefore the wot will spread at the point of the sword and no other way.
1484979;1466312063;asciilifeform;eh, grown people don't 'become' anything.
1484980;1466312084;asciilifeform;they can change coats, that's pretty much it
1484981;1466312090;mircea_popescu;intelligent people become anything they wish, which is incidentally the only definition of intelligence worth the mention. if not "social sciences" useful.
1484982;1466312170;asciilifeform;this is so, if your 'tallest tower' is doghouse height.
1484983;1466312183;mircea_popescu;not in the slightest. one doesn't follow from the other.
1484984;1466312190;mircea_popescu;fwiw, i wasn't BORN a bitcoin-whatever.
1484985;1466312229;asciilifeform;no pro go player worth the mention was anything other than playing full time from age 7 or so.
1484986;1466312234;asciilifeform;and ditto for 1,001 items.
1484987;1466312243;mircea_popescu;go isn't worth the mention.
1484988;1466312248;asciilifeform;so doghouse.
1484989;1466312258;mircea_popescu;not so doghouse. so "no stupid shit" house.
1484990;1466312264;asciilifeform;no culture.
1484991;1466312273;mircea_popescu;no palatial-style masturbation pretending to be culture.
1484992;1466312277;mircea_popescu;plenty of culture, of the genuine kind.
1484993;1466312309;asciilifeform;when you throw out the 'pretense', what's left? scythians on horseback, 'first ya pillage, then ya burn!1111' yarrrrrrrr
1484994;1466312339;mircea_popescu;point in case : there isn't a 1% as much bitcoin-culture in all the usg.mit, usg.whartever sponsored "teams" and "think tanks" and etc of what's here.
1484995;1466312349;mircea_popescu;what now ? your doghouse theory just died, turns out the doghouse's the other way.
1484996;1466312354;asciilifeform;mno.
1484997;1466312357;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1484998;1466312387;mircea_popescu;how about computing ? the whole century's worth of palace cs yielded... 500 boatloads of "culture" and nothring right, proper or even usable.
1484999;1466312389;asciilifeform;all of the components of everything we're now doing, from the basic maths to the semiconductor, are product of what mircea_popescu derides as 'palace wankery'
1485000;1466312394;mircea_popescu;the ~only thing the palace does is lie.
1485001;1466312397;asciilifeform;heaviside, for instance, was certainly no scythian.
1485002;1466312406;asciilifeform;nor maxwell (though he could ride a mean ride)
1485003;1466312407;mircea_popescu;it lies convincingly for some, but this happenstance doesn't speak in favour of their intelligence.
1485004;1466312431;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not product in any sense. everything we use is the accidental byproduct of what the palace would have wanted to but didn't manage to "bring under control".
1485005;1466312439;mircea_popescu;we're standing on the shoulders of unreasonable and naught else.
1485006;1466312451;mircea_popescu;"why won't you be reasonable, mr X!" "because i'd like to do something!"
1485007;1466312458;asciilifeform;intersection of palace and scythian.
1485008;1466312469;mircea_popescu;not so at all. disjunction of palace.
1485009;1466312473;mircea_popescu;"everything but the palace".
1485010;1466312484;asciilifeform;the folks who never ended up with palace - e.g., pashtuns - sum to 0.
1485011;1466312498;mircea_popescu;this is a very scarlet herring.
1485012;1466312502;mircea_popescu;incas also sum to 0.
1485013;1466312506;asciilifeform;seems like you need the sinkhole.
1485014;1466312513;mircea_popescu;does not seem that way, no.
1485015;1466312543;mircea_popescu;you can produce examples of subhuman populations. be they there or here or anywhere, they're still subhuman, and sum to 0.
1485016;1466312556;asciilifeform;where are the wholly unpalaced who sum to >0 ?
1485017;1466312604;mircea_popescu;you'll have to define your terms. how about, the cussacks ? the danubian pastoral communities ? the northern carpathians woodworking culture ? what do you wish to see ?
1485018;1466312618;asciilifeform;maxwell's equations.
1485019;1466312643;asciilifeform;or, failing that, some element of 'what differentiates us from the monkeys'
1485020;1466312653;asciilifeform;(maxwell's a good proxy as any for this)
1485021;1466312654;mircea_popescu;the reason you can't see it there has to do with the definitions rather than with the fact of the matter.
1485022;1466312683;mircea_popescu;i for instance count philosophy as such "differentiates" us. you apparently only count a narrow definition of math-engineering ?
1485023;1466312699;asciilifeform;i deliberately picked easy case.
1485024;1466312703;mircea_popescu;it only appeared in one place, thus therefore if you claim that one place was "palatial", then boom, and if you claim it isn't, then equally boom.
1485025;1466312703;asciilifeform;for clarity.
1485026;1466312720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the fact still remains you picked something that only ever appeared in one place.
1485027;1466312734;mircea_popescu;this moves the discussion to a debate as to the true substance of that place.
1485028;1466312734;asciilifeform;can pick different example, also interesting:
1485029;1466312750;asciilifeform;jp shinto temples apparently had peculiar quasimathematical ritual
1485030;1466312764;asciilifeform;where, at one point, they pretty much derived elementary differential calculus.
1485031;1466312775;mircea_popescu;re "towers of hanoi" ? "early blockchain! by priest hand!"
1485032;1466312776;asciilifeform;however it was done as part of pointless 'glass bead game' and summed to 0.
1485033;1466312779;asciilifeform;aha.
1485034;1466312812;asciilifeform;(partly on account of their complicated 'isolate these folks from all reality', partly because they did not simultaneously pursue artillery...)
1485035;1466312825;mircea_popescu;anyway. you'll have A LOT of trouble proving 1800s england was a "palatial economy". tax was ~inexistent at the time.
1485036;1466312842;asciilifeform;cambridge was a quite centralized thing.
1485037;1466312854;mircea_popescu;not so. it was on the contrary, quite autonomous thing.
1485038;1466312859;asciilifeform;in the sense that it was full of a buncha blokes who didn't sow or reap.
1485039;1466312860;mircea_popescu;no king ever told them who to elect, for instance.
1485040;1466312869;mircea_popescu;that's not a criteria. you don't sow either.
1485041;1466312873;asciilifeform;aha!
1485042;1466312894;asciilifeform;nor have i been lately a-piratin', yarrr
1485043;1466312900;mircea_popescu;in any case : a marginally acceptable definition of "palace economy" is : tax over 50% of gdp. by this rule the usg, eu etc qualify. nothing else in the world does.
1485044;1466312916;mircea_popescu;inca does qualify. nothing in europe pre napoleon does, nor does england crown pre ww1.
1485045;1466312925;mircea_popescu;china qualifies about half the time, in spurts.
1485046;1466312953;mircea_popescu;almost all subhuman congregations of the mongoloids in the pacific islands qualify throughout. and the similarly subhuman aztecs qualify. and most of the north american tribes.
1485047;1466312959;mircea_popescu;fortunately, all this shit was buried.
1485048;1466312976;asciilifeform;i suppose this is sorta like BingoBoingo's 'morbid obesity' - 49+% still 'obeast' but has not tipped the scale, no
1485049;1466312979;asciilifeform;but ~same.
1485050;1466312988;mircea_popescu;there's no 49% discussed here.
1485051;1466313013;asciilifeform;aha, the space isn't flat
1485052;1466313014;mircea_popescu;there's quite an uncanny valley between the 60-80%ish of the "civilised world" and the 5-15% of the rest.
1485053;1466313018;mircea_popescu;there's nothing in between.
1485054;1466313024;asciilifeform;which is interesting.
1485055;1466313043;mircea_popescu;well, also natural. like any celestial body's interdicion area.
1485056;1466313047;asciilifeform;i for one would like to know the curvature of the space.
1485057;1466313052;mircea_popescu;you can have space dust. but NOT in this band around a planet.
1485058;1466313060;asciilifeform;aha, quite like that.
1485059;1466313080;mircea_popescu;so, if it goes over ~20%ish, it crosses event horizon, and rapidly collapses in 60-80%.
1485060;1466313094;mircea_popescu;rarely, a 60-80% thing (soviets) will crack up and re-become 5-15%.
1485061;1466313105;mircea_popescu;which sometimes drifts back to >20 and re-collapses
1485062;1466313127;mircea_popescu;russia seems to be going that way, re putin's out of ideas convo.
1485063;1466313144;asciilifeform;'best known fact re empires is that they pop
1485064;1466313145;asciilifeform;'
1485065;1466313198;mircea_popescu;this is not so universal. some places/people can't live as independent human beings.
1485066;1466313211;asciilifeform;so they die
1485067;1466313220;mircea_popescu;hopefully.
1485068;1466313234;mircea_popescu;sometimes they shamble on, like teh chinese for instance. i suspect the us is headed that way also.
1485069;1466313248;asciilifeform;there are still, iirc, even, a few eskimos.
1485070;1466313261;asciilifeform;(none, note, 'independent', then or now)
1485071;1466313267;mircea_popescu;like 10
1485072;1466313274;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat
1485073;1466313339;mircea_popescu;anyway, the insidiousness of christianity, as a jewish sect, is the whole "must take care of the poor" thing.
1485074;1466313360;mircea_popescu;it tends to raise taxes slowly, until in a century or a millenium they reach the 20%ish threshold and then the whole thing's fucked.
1485075;1466313388;asciilifeform;initially it looks like a good deal because cheaper than watching your back
1485076;1466313398;asciilifeform;(or at least 'feels' cheaper, like eric naggum's 'fast bathtub')
1485077;1466313403;mircea_popescu;which is why stuff like http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/ is so very important.
1485078;1466313419;mircea_popescu;denying the crap is, at least to my eyes, just as important if not more important than bitcoining.
1485079;1466313440;asciilifeform;interestingly the only wholly alternate ~stable~ solution to same puzzle i know of is... the castes of india
1485080;1466313444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the point isn't that one wants the poor to necessarily starve. the point however is that charity may not be centralised.
1485081;1466313461;mircea_popescu;anything else is acceptable, raping infants, eating your wife, whatever the fuck. but DO NOT centralize charity.
1485082;1466313502;mircea_popescu;in fact, if the poor complain that charity as-is is insufficient, you're a thousand times better off simply burning them all down than trying to "optimize" it.
1485083;1466313531;asciilifeform;this is tricky to get wholly right; consider, the english had ~decentralized charity, but it was plugged into a quite centralized church.
1485084;1466313541;asciilifeform;and ended up... where it ended up.
1485085;1466313558;mircea_popescu;i suppose the one point easily missed is that ~the one in need~ is no arbiter of the type, degree and kind of his need! the one GIVING is the sole fucking arbiter as to what the needy needs, when and how much of it.
1485086;1466313573;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i don't think the english had at any point decentralized charity.
1485087;1466313578;mircea_popescu;nor did any christian sect, not ever.
1485088;1466313587;mircea_popescu;the jews possibly did, but only under pressure from russian crown.
1485089;1466313604;mircea_popescu;much like the dope dealing black people in ghetto do today.
1485090;1466313610;asciilifeform;waiwut
1485091;1466313616;asciilifeform;these are all plugged into the usg mains
1485092;1466313623;asciilifeform;usually - directly
1485093;1466313636;asciilifeform;(as per tlp's piece)
1485094;1466313648;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i perhaps confusingly, meant their own subjective thing, did not mean the bulk of it.
1485095;1466313655;asciilifeform;ah hm
1485096;1466313657;mircea_popescu;ie, when a black person gives something to another black person.
1485097;1466313670;mircea_popescu;obviously they all live on walmartola.
1485098;1466313690;asciilifeform;you will find that most folks distribute their walmartola quite equitably, from their own pov
1485099;1466313691;mircea_popescu;but in that laboratory setting, they still live as humans, and display human behaviours, such as charity.
1485100;1466313692;asciilifeform;like the hunt party.
1485101;1466313713;asciilifeform;or how sov workmen readily 'worked out a bottle for three'
1485102;1466313726;mircea_popescu;except, they charitize correcly : the giver as the sole arbiter of the degree, kind and type of want.
1485103;1466313844;asciilifeform;normally we mention the christians as a socialist rot, but there was also the component of caste / 'dielectric insulator'
1485104;1466313857;asciilifeform;as in the infamous church of england hymn, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/3668059/The-story-behind-the-hymn.html
1485105;1466313857;mircea_popescu;do tell ?
1485106;1466313876;mircea_popescu;sigh, ima have to read the fucking telegraph to try and guess wha you mean ?
1485107;1466313881;asciilifeform;The rich man in his castle,
1485108;1466313882;asciilifeform;The poor man at his gate,
1485109;1466313882;asciilifeform;He made them, high or lowly,
1485110;1466313882;asciilifeform;And ordered their estate.
1485111;1466313900;asciilifeform;^ snipped that was Officially Proscribed in the modern liturgy
1485112;1466313903;mircea_popescu;why'd be insulation good ?
1485113;1466313915;asciilifeform;so they won't arc.
1485114;1466313925;mircea_popescu;but explain this. in like words.
1485115;1466313927;asciilifeform;(i.e. jacquerie)
1485116;1466313946;mircea_popescu;such a chinese thinker. all he wants to do is spit out a pictogram.
1485117;1466313953;asciilifeform;lel
1485118;1466314273;mircea_popescu;in somewhat other lulz, http://www.burbuja.info/inmobiliaria/burbuja-inmobiliaria/709069-hilo-oficial-del-bitcoin-ix-ahora-mas-burbujas-357.html
1485119;1466314301;mircea_popescu;(burbuja means bubble in teh construction worker / hotel maid language)
1485120;1466314311;asciilifeform;i recall the burbuja distinctly.
1485121;1466314322;asciilifeform;as in mircea_popescu's stomach illness bout
1485122;1466314326;mircea_popescu;hehe
1485123;1466314371;asciilifeform;i for some reason inevitably recall the infamous ru army joke re the бурбулятор
1485124;1466314396;asciilifeform;( a word which has since, in 2000s, come to refer to what americans call 'bong', but was originally without a specific meaning )
1485125;1466314424;mircea_popescu;perhaps also of interest, http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/the-last-psychiatrist-and-narcissism.1204561/
1485126;1466314479;asciilifeform;went like this:
1485127;1466314498;asciilifeform;soldier punched hole in a bucket, with nail, and said to sergeant: 'look, my brilliant invention: the burbulator. see, i pour in water, it burbles.'
1485128;1466314512;asciilifeform;sergeant: 'motherfucker. you ruined a bucket. throw it into the skip and go clean latrine for the rest of the month.'
1485129;1466314540;asciilifeform;the next morning, commander tours the base, says to sergeant: 'everything seems ok, but what is this nonsense, they showed me the scrapyard and your men threw out a perfectly fine burbulator!!!'
1485130;1466314558;mircea_popescu;lo
1485131;1466314569;asciilifeform;it is quite impossible imho not to think of this.
1485132;1466314572;asciilifeform;when burbuja.
1485133;1466314601;mircea_popescu;the problem is, other soldier went "see, sargent prevents torque experiments".
1485134;1466314620;asciilifeform;naturally.
1485135;1466314781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy re 'quantum computer miner drained mtgox'
1485136;1466314796;asciilifeform;what other burbulations quietly fester in orcish heads, i wonder.
1485137;1466314798;mircea_popescu;and in other social media news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/994023618e9d04441209f7233afebd83/tumblr_nmqq4e985E1t0itrxo1_500.gif
1485138;1466314952;*;asciilifeform bbl
1485139;1466315028;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, https://opensource.org/definition/  << check out the churchly shit! "no discrimination" etc.
1485140;1466319819;BingoBoingo;Great Inca in the wild https://i.imgur.com/GexcTlG.gif
1485141;1466320167;BingoBoingo;And Trump makes he other news http://epmonthly.com/article/72-year-old-need-c-spine-clearance-fall/
1485142;1466323422;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Rashi and the Big Data time machine. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/rashi-and-the-big-data-time-machine/
1485143;1466324234;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Bernie’s bang-on: North America’s a shithole and F1 drivers are pussies. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/bernies-bang-on-north-americas-a-shithole-and-f1-drivers-are-pussies/
1485144;1466338115;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485143 <<< wow, suddenly i'm converted to BingoBoingo 's views, bernie ftw!
1485145;1466342093;mircea_popescu;remarkably, one of the better summaries of the etherape comes from... greek! http://www.bitcoin-gr.org/?p=5351
1485146;1466342103;mircea_popescu;people on the outskirts naively care, i guess is the explanation.
1485147;1466343599;danielpbarron;;; later tell nubbins` 5c6c63613b0284340d4de49801107afd6cb0f77be925323ce649fce620fbd0d5 and 19dRVts7U1NaiTT69xWtvwXsSJ2yxFxw4M
1485148;1466343599;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1485149;1466345370;mircea_popescu;"I bet if you went to a client and presented a 200 kilobyte site template, you’d be fired. Even if it looked great and somehow included all the tracking and ads and social media crap they insisted on putting in. It’s just so far out of the realm of the imaginable at this point. " <<->> curl 'http://trilema.com' --silent --write-out 'size_download=%{size_download}\n' --output /dev/null
1485150;1466345370;mircea_popescu;size_download=31702
1485151;1466345380;mircea_popescu;i guess it's fortunate i'm not a client.
1485152;1466345406;mircea_popescu;$up iobug
1485153;1466345429;deedbot;iobug voiced for 30 minutes.
1485154;1466346157;mircea_popescu;http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm << incidentally, i REALLY like this website. guy starts copacetic enough but actually takes things far enough. yes, ban any third party service, ads or anything else. website may not load any foreign elements, at all, just like it can't xss.
1485155;1466346211;mircea_popescu;yes "smart" ads etc are not smart nor useful nor productive. yes the whole "online marketing" "community" absolutely must be taken to concentration camp for a month, beaten daily, then sent to cut salt and carry tank barrels.
1485156;1466348285;asciilifeform;a good ad is a dead ad.
1485157;1466349296;phf;i briefly worked for an ad company, was hired to do realtime ad bidding. google and few other companies send you a request. "such and such ad space available, starting bid is this many cents, you have 500ms to formulate a response, how much you want to pay and ad url, we let you know if won." request comes with a tracking id, so by sitting on the pipe long enough and placing losing bids you were supposedly able to both build up user profiles and g
1485158;1466349296;phf;et better idea of ad market, until blah blah
1485159;1466349605;phf;thing is the owner was a micromanaging psychopath, so the project lead, who was trying to build a "rockstart" team and build a "kickass" product, ended up working there long enough to lay the foundation, before burning out, losing his shit, devorcing his wife, etc. but the project was a complete failure, that never the less provided a legitimate front for the company's real operations. they usual array of porn banners, dirty affiliate marketing, f
1485160;1466349605;phf;acebook skins, etc.
1485161;1466349686;phf;so when ad people talk about "smart" ads and shit like that i'm usually trying to imagine what their actual stream of income is.
1485162;1466349759;phf;i mean i'm pretty sure the ad bid system generated at least a handful of public talks at conferences, etc, which i'm sure painted the ad company in most positive of lights.
1485163;1466350859;mircea_popescu;phf the only problem here is that the ~6-800mn mouthbreather population contains a good 20 to maybe 50mn of these hard working, intelligent, dedicated folks. 99.???% of which get burned out by some idiot "boss" working within the imbecile ideological framework they got going there.
1485164;1466350867;mircea_popescu;this is the true engine of change, too much fucking wastage omfg.
1485165;1466351465;deedbot;[Qntra] California City Burns Through 3 Police Chiefs In 8 Days - http://qntra.net/2016/06/california-city-burns-through-3-police-chiefs-in-8-days/
1485166;1466351490;mircea_popescu;lol. sherrifs neh ?
1485167;1466351564;BingoBoingo;Nah, "cities" have police chiefs. Counties have Sheriffs.
1485168;1466351603;BingoBoingo;Although some sheriffs departments have police cheifs too when the sheriff is a figurehead that doesn't run their department.
1485169;1466351635;BingoBoingo;And Louisiana has Parishes isntead of counties so fuck them.
1485170;1466352480;mircea_popescu;yeah but it's like... 1880s style california.
1485171;1466352484;mircea_popescu;they shopt teh sheriff
1485172;1466352823;Bugpowder;Behold!
1485173;1466352851;Bugpowder;Accomplished the technical misson for the day, time to clean the BBQ grill.
1485174;1466352967;mircea_popescu;wd.
1485175;1466353136;BingoBoingo;lol
1485176;1466353144;BingoBoingo;congrats Bugpowder
1485177;1466353157;Bugpowder;tyty
1485178;1466353279;Bugpowder;Next up mpex.
1485179;1466354699;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2015/08/concerns-for-the-toomim-brothers-mining/#comment-61948
1485180;1466355970;shinohai;qntra incoming BingoBoingo
1485181;1466357004;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/UGw
1485182;1466357004;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1485183;1466359139;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Tagliamonte <tag@pault.ag>; Paul Tagliamonte <tag@anized.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@mit.edu>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@gmail.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@whube.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@ubuntu.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@fluxbox.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@opensource.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <ptagliamonte11@jcu.edu>; Paul Tag
1485184;1466367589;mircea_popescu;$up r00s
1485185;1466367592;deedbot;r00s voiced for 30 minutes.
1485186;1466369862;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1483036 <-- actually already covered on contravex before logs --> http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/13/the-future-of-finance-is-now-translated/
1485187;1466369862;a111;Logged on 2016-06-15 15:08 asciilifeform: 'On Friday, Secretary Penny Pritzker of the US Department of Commerce joined special assistant to the president for economic policy Adrienne Harris and other top White House officials for an event featuring a lecture from Brian Forde, director of digital currency initiative a the MIT Media Lab, and multiple panels on financial technology more generally speaking. Hosted at the Eisenhower Executive Office Build
1485188;1466369934;pete_dushenski;weird that phf's logs differentiate between capitlised words and uncapitalised words. dunno if it's possible to bridge these two islands, but it'd be much appreciated.
1485189;1466369965;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483577 << cheers :D
1485190;1466369965;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 16:08 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski nice job adding references.
1485191;1466370120;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski iirc if quoted it matches strictly and if not quoted it matches loosely.
1485192;1466370132;pete_dushenski;o hey no one died in an open-cockpit racer this morning in baku. who would've predicted that raising a generation of drivers who've known neither injury nor death, no matter the speeds and stupidity of their crashes, would lead to a buncha fuckin pussies the likes of which are suitable only for perfume advertisements
1485193;1466370241;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: tip o' the cap for pumping vitalik's eyes shut yesterday. made for an enjoyable saturday of log reading and trilema comment following
1485194;1466370278;mircea_popescu;apparently there's a LOT of hate for usg/mit/vit-alik butt-erin/doa/etc out there.
1485195;1466370338;pete_dushenski;and that bottle's never been easier to uncork
1485196;1466370350;mircea_popescu;btw, why did the ethereum people misspell "dead on arrival" as "dao" anyway. too much ritalin ?
1485197;1466370380;pete_dushenski;or dexedrine
1485198;1466370424;pete_dushenski;'dead as obama' may also have been the tongue-in-cheek reference
1485199;1466370468;mircea_popescu;lol
1485200;1466370500;pete_dushenski;the usg.mit h8 is everywhere. fuck even the shiny glowing untouchable uncriticisable aapl is getting flamed... from their own fanbois no less.
1485201;1466370558;mircea_popescu;end times sorta mob behaviour.
1485202;1466370561;pete_dushenski;i was trying to figure out how to shut off the ios update notifications and stumbled onto 'osxdaily' and couldn't fucking believe my eyes. cook from central casting has absolutely spent every last penny of steve's good will
1485203;1466370577;pete_dushenski;comparisons to msft abounded.
1485204;1466370629;pete_dushenski;rightly so, obv. but if the mouth-breathers are 'getting it', then ya... end of times eh.
1485205;1466370745;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski so did any girlies wet their panties over your poetry reading ?
1485206;1466370746;pete_dushenski;turns out that ios will also auto-download the update as soon as you connect to wifi (it's a 200+ mb file) and harass you 2-5 PER DAY until you submit to installing it.
1485207;1466370766;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: stop the clocks reading ?
1485208;1466370804;pete_dushenski;ios update file can be beleeted, but will still insta-respawn when connected to wifi.
1485209;1466370809;mircea_popescu;yea
1485210;1466370829;pete_dushenski;i'd like to think so.
1485211;1466370836;mircea_popescu;win.
1485212;1466370893;pete_dushenski;though i found out that the 5k of ruskie 'views' i sent to that video for shits and giggles... unhappened. they lasted for at least 3-4 months though.
1485213;1466370910;mircea_popescu;how's that work ?
1485214;1466370931;pete_dushenski;ask yt i guess.
1485215;1466371010;mircea_popescu;no but what are you saying ?
1485216;1466371075;pete_dushenski;i paid fiverr guy to 'view' a yt clip 5k times. results were delivered. several months later, yt removed those paid for 'views'. like ethereum 'rollback' i guess.
1485217;1466371090;mircea_popescu;oh
1485218;1466371126;mircea_popescu;what, like 5 bux for vanity sorta thing
1485219;1466371190;pete_dushenski;this was when i was dipping my toes in 'tmsr pr' idea. basically just wanted to see if fiverr paid views worked, and if so, where they were coming from. turns out that the answers were "yes", "from russia", and "but only temporarily"
1485220;1466371220;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the special room, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517212.0;all
1485221;1466371232;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski makes sense.
1485222;1466371388;pete_dushenski;https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ot3z8/dao_is_under_attack_again/ << already covered ? from 8 hrs ago.
1485223;1466371437;pete_dushenski;peanuts, but still.
1485224;1466371443;mircea_popescu;aww
1485225;1466371567;pete_dushenski;wow, catching up on latest batch of trilema etherpocalypse comments... the spammers and welfarists are out in full force.
1485226;1466371579;mircea_popescu;chasing that spotlight.
1485227;1466371585;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485154 << the author runs and lives off of his small no-bullshit bookmarking and archiving (bookmark/tag sites/PDFs, be able to full-text search later etc) business pinboard.in which has this exotic (to SV crowd anyway) business model called "users pay for the service and the service delivers". i like the guy
1485228;1466371585;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 14:22 mircea_popescu: http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm << incidentally, i REALLY like this website. guy starts copacetic enough but actually takes things far enough. yes, ban any third party service, ads or anything else. website may not load any foreign elements, at all, just like it can't xss.
1485229;1466371610;pete_dushenski;but how did greek blog get through pingback filter and contravex hasn't in, what, 1.5yr+ ?
1485230;1466371616;mircea_popescu;Framedragger invite him over!
1485231;1466371629;Framedragger;might as well, will see if i can / he responds :)
1485232;1466371638;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski i actually publish pingbacks, i dun think they make it over for some reason.
1485233;1466371643;mircea_popescu;what ip you send them from ?
1485234;1466371662;pete_dushenski;23.229.239.2
1485235;1466371662;mircea_popescu;(if it's not === blog ip they fail, due to the "ddos" thing)
1485236;1466371682;mircea_popescu;No results found.
1485237;1466371698;pete_dushenski;strange.
1485238;1466371729;mircea_popescu;i dun really think it's any sort of filter on trilema side. they might not actually make it across at all.
1485239;1466371948;thestringpuller;So, they are trying to prop Ethereum. When the real crash happens...like the Too Big to Fail bailout...
1485240;1466371986;shinohai;christ mircea_popescu at the wave of shitcoin beggars in those trilema comments.
1485241;1466372001;mircea_popescu;hey, they wouldn't let go of mtgox until a year+ later and millions more were lost.
1485242;1466372007;mircea_popescu;a fool and zir money.
1485243;1466372057;shinohai;"I lost my leg in a car accident, collecting some BTC for prosthesis i really want to function normally.
1485244;1466372060;shinohai;Sorry, but I'm tired of sitting at home, I dream to go for a walk."
1485245;1466372253;mircea_popescu;answered him, for great justic.
1485246;1466372389;shinohai;molto bene
1485247;1466373072;mircea_popescu;https://s32.postimg.org/wa7qdgoyd/Mircea_Popescu.jpg&c=5-a-ZXpYGvIFcg << is this good for bitcoin ?
1485248;1466373120;pete_dushenski;is that like the black widow ?
1485249;1466373174;Framedragger;asciilifeform: i've accidentally (== i fucked up) imported one mutilated key to phuctor. this key in particular http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6E84ED0485E5C4615D47E7BF518A35F1A8DE60C6DFBBF1F60B1911839726CE - guess it can't hurt if it's there, but if/when phuctor reports broken key (that particular exponent is not prime), it's gonna be due to me being retarded and not the key..
1485250;1466373304;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485247 << ctrl+s to pic collection
1485251;1466373304;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 21:51 mircea_popescu: https://s32.postimg.org/wa7qdgoyd/Mircea_Popescu.jpg&c=5-a-ZXpYGvIFcg << is this good for bitcoin ?
1485252;1466373583;mircea_popescu;pity no one recalls shtylman anymore.
1485253;1466373600;mircea_popescu;his 2012-stylish cap looked much better than butt-erin's misshod skull.
1485254;1466373647;mircea_popescu;$s bitfloor
1485255;1466373647;a111;14 results for "bitfloor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=bitfloor
1485256;1466374405;thestringpuller;bitdaytrade
1485257;1466375861;mircea_popescu;$up fwr
1485258;1466375865;deedbot;fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
1485259;1466375918;Framedragger;heh: http://spectrum.ieee.org/view-from-the-valley/telecom/internet/the-fathers-of-the-internet-revolution-urge-todays-pioneers-to-reinvent-the-web (*obviously* it starts with a full screen advertisement first) - archive.is: http://archive.is/g7pkA
1485260;1466375991;mircea_popescu;that guy is epic. "we both have the same number of employees : 0.5"
1485261;1466376406;fwr;help me to understand this, MPEx has been sold for 250k BTC, but the website itself is down?
1485262;1466376421;mircea_popescu;it's not down, no.
1485263;1466376437;mircea_popescu;and iirc it was a little bit more than 250k.
1485264;1466376505;fwr;says in the blog post that it's just below that
1485265;1466376544;fwr;I find this incredibly hard to believe that there is this sort of money involved
1485266;1466376658;mircea_popescu;and why would that matter ?
1485267;1466376730;mircea_popescu;ah you meant going private. yeah, 249k and change something.
1485268;1466376862;mats;its the css
1485269;1466376885;mats;if mpex had rounded rectangles fwr wouldn't have given it a second thought
1485270;1466376900;mircea_popescu;it also wouldn't have been worth 100 btc.
1485271;1466376939;mircea_popescu;but i guess power is relatively unimportant, fetish of power is interesting!
1485272;1466377386;mats;maybe its the social proof
1485273;1466377421;mats;what if he had read about it on instagram?
1485274;1466377432;mats;nobody lies in articles on forbes
1485275;1466377553;mats;just having some fun at your expense, fwr.
1485276;1466377832;mircea_popescu;in fairness, the whole mpex/tmsr/etc thing is ~equivalent to a ten ton hammer of pure cognitive dissonance for man on clapham omnibus.
1485277;1466378135;Framedragger;what's the latest mpex url? mpex.co does seem to be down, fwiw
1485278;1466378151;thestringpuller;mpex.site is good
1485279;1466378169;mircea_popescu;well there's a bit of a dns storm, but use old ips
1485280;1466378211;thestringpuller;guess no point in using dns if you have the proxy ips
1485281;1466378226;Framedragger;a yea it's dns related, not just "down". curious
1485282;1466378262;thestringpuller;it's causing coinbr problems tho
1485283;1466378264;thestringpuller;jurov: ^^^
1485284;1466379352;jurov;xoinbr does use ips
1485285;1466379360;jurov;*coinbr
1485286;1466379388;jurov;but they are dying, too
1485287;1466379495;mircea_popescu;$up fwr
1485288;1466379496;deedbot;fwr voiced for 30 minutes.
1485289;1466379834;shinohai;http://52.58.21.76/ http://52.29.2.252/
1485290;1466379840;shinohai;^weird
1485291;1466379903;jurov;shinohai what's that?
1485292;1466379967;shinohai;that's what dns lookup for coinbr returns for me
1485293;1466379984;mircea_popescu;common for aws hosted sites i think
1485294;1466379989;jurov;yep it is using aws' loadbalancer
1485295;1466380022;shinohai;oh their version of crapflare or sumthin
1485296;1466380059;mircea_popescu;fact is, there's no practical way to run plain web servers in 2016.
1485297;1466380146;jurov;heh...it's actually quite different from crapflare
1485298;1466380205;jurov;mostly that a bit sophisticated attacker could cause bills for coinbr to skyrocket easily
1485299;1466380225;jurov;which threat has never actually materialized in past 4 years
1485300;1466380230;jurov;go figure
1485301;1466380274;mircea_popescu;there's worse fates.
1485302;1466380476;jurov;i'm missing out on all the conspiracies and fun!!!
1485303;1466380690;jurov;burned raids!
1485304;1466380705;jurov;no mysterious reboots!!!
1485305;1466380711;jurov;coinbr is a failure
1485306;1466380754;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1606279610030410747135438525 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '85.14.248.152 (ssh-rsa key from 85.14.248.152 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <sshscan-queries+85.14.248.152@mkj.lt>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6E84ED0485E5C4615D47E7BF518A35F1A8DE60C6DFBBF1F60B1911839726CE
1485307;1466380922;Framedragger;^ yeah that'd be it: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485249
1485308;1466380922;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 21:52 Framedragger: asciilifeform: i've accidentally (== i fucked up) imported one mutilated key to phuctor. this key in particular http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EE6E84ED0485E5C4615D47E7BF518A35F1A8DE60C6DFBBF1F60B1911839726CE - guess it can't hurt if it's there, but if/when phuctor reports broken key (that particular exponent is not prime), it's gonna be due to me being retarded and not the key..
1485309;1466380966;jurov;you meant modulus not prime?
1485310;1466380988;jurov;openssh uses exponent like 35 left and right
1485311;1466380997;mircea_popescu;ohohohoh!
1485312;1466380999;mircea_popescu;Framedragger win.
1485313;1466381008;mircea_popescu;oh. i thought sha ball was going in
1485314;1466381039;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah this is only a test. i'll send alf the whole openpgp-wrapped bundle once that's done processing. the above is just a test, and it's a false positive
1485315;1466381047;mircea_popescu;aite.
1485316;1466381072;Framedragger;jurov: no i meant exponent in this case actually, the actual exponent for that key was supposed to be 65537
1485317;1466381099;Framedragger;jurov: but that key is borked due to my hasty scripting, so makes sense that the parsed modulus is not prime, either
1485318;1466381195;jurov;i trial divided whole set by 10000primes.txt, recommend very much to find problems
1485319;1466381206;Framedragger;nice.
1485320;1466381254;jurov;no need even to optimize, a ~ hour/gigabyte in plain python
1485321;1466381294;jurov;pypy helped, tho
1485322;1466385126;ben_vulpes;in entirely unrelated /america no es un pais pobre/ news, i have an address outside of portland for the first time in nearly two decades
1485323;1466385565;asciilifeform;wat
1485324;1466385671;trinque;ben_vulpes: congrats!
1485325;1466385703;asciilifeform;how many houses has ben_vulpes now ?
1485326;1466386049;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1485183 << trinque what happened here ?
1485327;1466386049;a111;Logged on 2016-06-19 17:58 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Tagliamonte <tag@pault.ag>; Paul Tagliamonte <tag@anized.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@mit.edu>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@gmail.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@whube.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@debian.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@ubuntu.com>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@fluxbox.org>; Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@opensource.org>; Paul Ta
1485328;1466386098;asciilifeform;^ flipolade incidentally. snore.
1485329;1466386123;asciilifeform;though now we learn that cosmic rays are attracted to debian and popular windowmanager devs.
1485330;1466386180;asciilifeform;the sheer variety of nyoooo factz we learned about photons really having charge after all !111111111
1485331;1466386222;ben_vulpes;photon charge, that's rich
1485332;1466386242;ben_vulpes;house count is family secret
1485333;1466386243;asciilifeform;well at any rate, turns out they're steerable in free space.
1485334;1466386246;asciilifeform;somehow.
1485335;1466386255;ben_vulpes;though very much like your btc count
1485336;1466386264;ben_vulpes;"omg none go away"
1485337;1466386276;asciilifeform;congrats on building bunker ben_vulpes
1485338;1466386279;asciilifeform;dun forget the wagner.
1485339;1466386285;asciilifeform;(important component)
1485340;1466386359;ben_vulpes;ty and trinque. notquite bunker, but not mass-produced foamed petro product either, which is quite a score.
1485341;1466386364;ben_vulpes;i find the uneven floor charming.
1485342;1466386383;asciilifeform;lol i have this right here.
1485343;1466386386;asciilifeform;'unsealed wood'
1485344;1466386389;ben_vulpes;and the gaps in the fence an entertaining project opportunity.
1485345;1466386434;ben_vulpes;but hey the walls are actually hand-done plaster, and the door arches as well.
1485346;1466386474;asciilifeform;buy that hammer drill.
1485347;1466386494;asciilifeform;(or did last owner wire it already)
1485348;1466386541;ben_vulpes;no, 'tis wired. although the breaker labeled 'dryer' does not in fact shut off the dryer's 220.
1485349;1466386544;ben_vulpes;ask me how i know.
1485350;1466386571;asciilifeform;i meant cat6
1485351;1466386596;ben_vulpes;ano.
1485352;1466386625;ben_vulpes;america es un pais pobre! internet will come from 'xfinity wifi', eg some other sucker who paid comcast to have one of their repeaters in his house.
1485353;1466386653;asciilifeform;l0l, and food - from same neighbour's dumpster ?
1485354;1466386687;ben_vulpes;i don't even know where the servers are going to go yet.
1485355;1466386702;ben_vulpes;much less the least inane place to pierce the building envelope.
1485356;1466386773;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i typically reuse the landline opening.
1485357;1466386958;ben_vulpes;i did that for a while, when moving frequently. its not really that much of a hassle to get it put in wherever, and to insulate the offense to the skin myself.
1485358;1466386983;asciilifeform;depends what the wall is made of.
1485359;1466387014;ben_vulpes;plus then i don't have to deal with running cat5 through living spaces, because in this povery-stricken part of the world everyone wants their data pipes in the room where children should be playing for some reason
1485360;1466387027;asciilifeform;where i live, telco will drop the fiber and that's it, any extra plumbing is yours to sweat
1485361;1466387034;ben_vulpes;'fiber'
1485362;1466387041;ben_vulpes;nothere.coveredwagon
1485363;1466387068;ben_vulpes;'you have died of dysentery'
1485364;1466387081;asciilifeform;'you have died of death'
1485365;1466387086;ben_vulpes;also good
1485366;1466387098;ben_vulpes;doctor + bullets, always a fun time.
1485367;1466387146;ben_vulpes;anyways, cable company, monopolists of net in my area, deploy 'independent contractors', entirely happy to drill holes through whateverthefuck.
1485368;1466387192;asciilifeform;first nice thing i ever heard about crapcast
1485369;1466387240;asciilifeform;though, many years ago when i used it, they actually neglected to bill me for almost 2 years.
1485370;1466387243;asciilifeform;(yes the modem worked.)
1485371;1466387257;ben_vulpes;why would one expect 'nice' of company whose revenue is biodieseling couch potatoes?
1485372;1466387302;ben_vulpes;their 'business' packages are similarly utter scamolade.
1485373;1466387346;ben_vulpes;with epic contracts and such shitty delivery terms /one must actually do ones own qos over lte or something retarded/
1485374;1466387385;ben_vulpes;there's an entire small industry in the pacnw around internet uptime to arbitrary shitty buildings
1485375;1466387847;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479673 << quite a bit
1485376;1466387847;a111;Logged on 2016-06-09 23:04 mircea_popescu: does this make sense to anyone outside of yours truly ? asciilifeform ? davout ? jurov ? phf ? trinque ?
1485377;1466388284;phf;i like comcast. it's the people's republic of america people's internet, it works, unless it doesn't, in which case go to competition lol
1485378;1466388341;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> buy that hammer drill. << Actually everyone prolly ought to get their power tools before China cuts USia off.
1485379;1466388420;phf;don't worry, u.s. knows how to make drills too http://www.ebay.com/itm/131849335008
1485380;1466388492;BingoBoingo;lol, but does it do masonry?
1485381;1466388527;phf;only if you have a properly sized negro
1485382;1466388545;BingoBoingo;Will have to remember that.
1485383;1466388545;deedbot;[Qntra] Gotomypc.com Goes To Other Peoples PC's Too! - http://qntra.net/2016/06/gotomypc-com-goes-to-other-peoples-pcs-too/
1485384;1466388622;phf;actually i used an equivalent drill for years growing up http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yankee-Div-of-Stanley-Tools-No-2101A-8-inch-Brace-Drill-RATCHETING-Bell-Syst-/142029809022
1485385;1466388644;BingoBoingo;Anyways apparently high end cordless tools are actually useful now since Techtronic of Hong Kong apparently OEM's for all the brands it hasn't bough and actually introduced *gasp* BRUSHLESS motors.
1485386;1466388681;BingoBoingo;phf: The push down ratcheting screwdrivers by yankee/stanley are pretty cool, but also discontinued since forever ago.
1485387;1466388720;phf;i also had one of these guys http://goodlinez.ru/userfiles/85.jpg
1485388;1466388752;BingoBoingo;The way it works is instead of weird wrist twisting motion screwdriver allows more familiar jack off pumping motion.
1485389;1466388759;phf;http://refite.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/drel-mekhanicheskaya-ruchnaya.jpg << identical item
1485390;1466388787;BingoBoingo;Aha those drills look like they can take hammer to make hammer drill
1485391;1466388828;phf;i'm pretty sure i've done that, at least to prime the spot. also as a child that's kind of a natural inclination 
1485392;1466389093;BingoBoingo;Seems like one of those intuitive things that comes to functioning people
1485393;1466389299;phf;oh man, i forgot about this thing. i'm pretty sure it was my first exposure to a mechanical object that i used extensively and had to take care of
1485394;1466389368;BingoBoingo;Mine was whittling knife
1485395;1466389405;phf;you had to take that little cover off to put oil in, otherwise it'd run not as smooth, so you kind of learn when to oil it. then periodically you had to clean it fully, because mostly wood, metal and oil would get inside make soup
1485396;1466389454;phf;i have this etched really close up image of drill head in my head that i couldn't quite place until i realized just now that it's that very drill
1485397;1466389483;phf;"boy's first drill" :D
1485398;1466389550;phf;oh nice, i've not picked up that skill until quite recently, maybe a year ago i bought a whittling knife before a trip to alaska and i've been kind of doodling with it since
1485399;1466389582;BingoBoingo;Was a boy scout so rite of passage. Was carbon steel so also required oiling.
1485400;1466389700;BingoBoingo;A few months ago got my first cordless drill. Went with "Ryobi Starter Drill" so the battery would work with reciprocating saw I wanted which comes without battery. Reciprocating saw is wonderful. Drill chuck slips on drill bits all the time so in a futile effort t detach chuck the contents of the drill's gearbox is now scattered on a corner of my desk.
1485401;1466389740;BingoBoingo;Turns out Japanese name simply means China factory cares least for product.
1485402;1466389768;BingoBoingo;At least corded drill still works
1485403;1466389859;BingoBoingo;I am still puzzled by the decision to give cheapest drill a gearbox with 16 clutch settings instead of a chuck that can fucking hold a bit.
1485404;1466389966;phf;i kind of assume those things are not actually designed for drilling, but for accessorizing at home depot
1485405;1466390078;phf;japanese products for american market are all made in china. they are bigger, clunkier and cheaper. authentic japanese item almost always looks and feels more compact, but to acquire one you have to go to weeb websites, or try to wade through export sites with huge markups
1485406;1466390079;BingoBoingo;Next drill will probably be from Milwauke Electric Tool company of TTI of Hong Kong's Shenzen factory
1485407;1466390207;BingoBoingo;And hopefully China likes Milwauke's reputation more than Japan's
1485408;1466390285;phf;i was actually comparing a zojirushi rice cooker that i bought from amazon to the one my jap friend brought from motherland. it's sort of like is somebody designed an item that's supposed to look identical from the distance, but has lower resolution upon closer inspection. missing features, BIG buttons and less of them, cheaper rougher molding. it's hilarious
1485409;1466390298;BingoBoingo;Ah
1485410;1466390414;BingoBoingo;anyways this time I'll probably actually try it in the store before leaving. Get drill, masonry bits, and concrete block then test it in the tool rental area. If people test riding morwers there I don't see why I can't test drill.
1485411;1466390453;phf;"woah is that how you use that thing?"
1485412;1466390453;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485387 << i still have this !
1485413;1466390453;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 02:12 phf: i also had one of these guys http://goodlinez.ru/userfiles/85.jpg
1485414;1466390458;asciilifeform;it worx great
1485415;1466390464;asciilifeform;and is nearly indestructible.
1485416;1466390467;phf;i'm trying to ebay one at the moment :>
1485417;1466390499;phf;http://guns.allzip.org/topic/9/1433825.html << that's probably same production line as the one i had
1485418;1466390525;asciilifeform;aha, i have it.
1485419;1466390530;asciilifeform;prolly everybody does.
1485420;1466390646;phf;and by "everybody" you mean people who haven't gotten to throwing out grandpa's toolbox yet, and like the whole 6 of breed Soviet Engineers (two in argentina, one in south korea and the rest in u.s.)
1485421;1466390655;phf;*last of breed 
1485422;1466390658;asciilifeform;believe or not, we took this thing to usa.
1485423;1466390663;asciilifeform;along with fucking meat grinder etc.
1485424;1466390680;asciilifeform;i sleep on a pillow made some time in 1970s. by hand.
1485425;1466390728;phf;see you guys were wise, our assumption was that we're going to a better soviet union, not zimbabwe ;)
1485426;1466390729;asciilifeform;(it appears to be impossible to get feathers-but-no-stems pillow in usa)
1485427;1466390737;asciilifeform;we had forward scout.
1485428;1466390745;phf;пух
1485429;1466390755;phf;an alien concept
1485430;1466390761;asciilifeform;aha
1485431;1466390768;BingoBoingo;My cousin swiped all of grandapa's tools in that time between the journey from hospital to cemetary.
1485432;1466390771;phf;next thing you gonna say you can build items to specs or something
1485433;1466390772;asciilifeform;you can buy 'down' but it is not same thing.
1485434;1466390983;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1485435;1466390988;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 756.85, vol: 2785.53262635 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 725.601, vol: 3278.92698 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 758.85, vol: 28377.58695497 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 11.0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 768.383222, vol: 48353.86460000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 763.18, vol: 2732.93260472 | Volume-weighted last average: 763.027494952
1485436;1466391059;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485400 << let me guess: plastic gears.
1485437;1466391059;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 02:28 BingoBoingo: A few months ago got my first cordless drill. Went with "Ryobi Starter Drill" so the battery would work with reciprocating saw I wanted which comes without battery. Reciprocating saw is wonderful. Drill chuck slips on drill bits all the time so in a futile effort t detach chuck the contents of the drill's gearbox is now scattered on a corner of my desk.
1485438;1466391063;BingoBoingo;;;later tell cazalla apparently someone wants to fuck Dixie https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4omki0/vitalik_buterin_becomes_ben_bernanke/d4e1m3j
1485439;1466391063;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1485440;1466391087;asciilifeform;i've always almost wanted to put together a 'ithasplasticgears.com' public shame list.
1485441;1466391088;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: METAL gears actually. plastic box though.
1485442;1466391096;asciilifeform;but today it is ~futile, almost EVERYTHING has plastic gears
1485443;1466391106;asciilifeform;i saw full size lathe with plastic motherfucking gears.
1485444;1466391135;BingoBoingo;Can even pick up these gears with magnet.
1485445;1466391155;BingoBoingo;Which makes the abomination of a chuck even harder to forgive.
1485446;1466391170;asciilifeform;just say no to chinese toolz.
1485447;1466391197;asciilifeform;they do not save money, quite the opposite.
1485448;1466391204;asciilifeform;add up the cost of all of the materials you've ruined.
1485449;1466391213;BingoBoingo;I don't think there are powered tools anymore that aren't chinese.
1485450;1466391213;asciilifeform;and the injured meat.
1485451;1466391332;BingoBoingo;Asking trades people in don't drink club about suggested replacement tools some think a few America brand's tools were improved by being swept into the Techtronics juggernaut, but... will have to see
1485452;1466391498;asciilifeform;power tools with batteries - l0l
1485453;1466391518;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes> i don't even know where the servers are going to go yet. << hey, at least it's no longer "life in an elevator"
1485454;1466391565;asciilifeform;i always pictured ben_vulpes's flat as similar to my old 'nazi submarine' (complete with storage bulkheads in obscene places, cramming every possible ullage full of goodiez)
1485455;1466391589;mircea_popescu;iirc it was about the floor surface of his car.
1485456;1466391683;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485378 << this is a good point, the good times won't last forever.
1485457;1466391683;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 02:05 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> buy that hammer drill. << Actually everyone prolly ought to get their power tools before China cuts USia off.
1485458;1466391740;*;BingoBoingo considering brushless 12 volt because easier to source replacement for if li-ion batteries dry up.
1485459;1466391860;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485387 << i have touched the exact item!
1485460;1466391860;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 02:12 phf: i also had one of these guys http://goodlinez.ru/userfiles/85.jpg
1485461;1466392007;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485404 << likely. back when i was in the us a decade ago, a very visible 1/3 of tools had a very nailpolish-and-high heels value
1485462;1466392007;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 02:32 phf: i kind of assume those things are not actually designed for drilling, but for accessorizing at home depot
1485463;1466392106;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485426 << i had duck down pillows in boston. you just don't know enough womenz :D
1485464;1466392107;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 02:45 asciilifeform: (it appears to be impossible to get feathers-but-no-stems pillow in usa)
1485465;1466392145;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485428 << very unalien. puf in romanian, down in english
1485466;1466392145;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 02:45 phf: пух
1485467;1466392169;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: only theoretically.
1485468;1466392176;asciilifeform;if you buy 'down pillow' in modern usa you get bag of shit.
1485469;1466392182;asciilifeform;even if for $1000.
1485470;1466392184;mircea_popescu;yeah well
1485471;1466392200;mircea_popescu;actually it wouldn't surprise me for it to be illegal to own.
1485472;1466392203;mircea_popescu;"part of animal"
1485473;1466392235;BingoBoingo;"migratory bird"
1485474;1466392239;asciilifeform;the shit pillows with the feathers-cum-stems are ubiquitous.
1485475;1466392273;mircea_popescu;they're prolly mayo nose hairs.
1485476;1466392289;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20160304015907/http://www.team.net/mjb/hawg.html << mega-classic re shit toolz, surprised that it isn't in the l0gz
1485477;1466392361;mircea_popescu;uh log breaks the url
1485478;1466392388;BingoBoingo;wank https://archive.is/xRz1a
1485479;1466392391;asciilifeform;ohforfufcssake.
1485480;1466392391;phf;(almost fixed that one)
1485481;1466392425;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo really, 21 yo should be broke.
1485482;1466392438;phf;mircea_popescu: c'mon we are reminiscing, "in soviet union men wrought tools out of steal and built bridges that lead to god's own gates! women made pillows that were feather but light than feathers and as you lay on those pillows you needed to sleep for five minutes, but it was as if you slept ad libitum"
1485483;1466392475;mircea_popescu;and the toilet paper and dishwashing steel wool were interchangeable!
1485484;1466392488;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: sure, also abducted. But note it is latest salvo in Gawker Media's "Trust us, we don't suck that much" campaign
1485485;1466392494;asciilifeform;nah that's here in good old phreeeeeeeeeedomland
1485486;1466392499;phf;same GOST for both
1485487;1466392529;asciilifeform;l0lz
1485488;1466392535;phf;(also can be used as re-entry burn up flak on ballistics)
1485489;1466392550;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo vaguely reminds me of a badling ballmer going apeshit (literally, grunting and chimping out) on stage to try an' retain some attention if naught else.
1485490;1466392595;mircea_popescu;dear god these people produce such trite prose. unreadable.
1485491;1466392601;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's a well trod and very lulzy path
1485492;1466392622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: developersdevelopersdevelopersdevelopers!!!11111
1485493;1466392629;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: And not that the unreadability to them is a virtue. They can all discuss it with the confidence it was unread.
1485494;1466392662;mircea_popescu;heh i guess there's that.
1485495;1466392667;asciilifeform;http://tommcfarlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/developers-ballmer.jpeg
1485496;1466392684;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eeexactly.
1485497;1466392864;mircea_popescu; I myself used a Hole Hawg to drill many holes through studs, which it did as a blender chops cabbage. I also used it to cut a few six-inch-diameter holes through an old lath-and-plaster ceiling. I chucked in a new hole saw, went up to the second story, reached down between the newly installed floor joists, and began to cut through the first-floor ceiling below. Where my homeowner's drill had labored and whined to spin the hu
1485498;1466392864;mircea_popescu;ge bit around, and had stalled at the slightest obstruction, the Hole Hawg rotated with the stupid consistency of a spinning planet. When the hole saw seized up, the Hole Hawg spun itself and me around, and crushed one of my hands between the steel pipe handle and a joist, producing a few lacerations, each surrounded by a wide corona of deeply bruised flesh. It also bent the hole saw itself, though not so badly that I couldn'
1485499;1466392864;mircea_popescu;t use it. After a few such run-ins, when I got ready to use the Hole Hawg my heart actually began to pound with atavistic terror.
1485500;1466392867;mircea_popescu;But I never blamed the Hole Hawg; I blamed myself. The Hole Hawg is dangerous because it does exactly what you tell it to. It is not bound by the physical limitations that are inherent in a cheap drill, and neither is it limited by safety interlocks that might be built into a homeowner's product by a liability-conscious manufacturer. The danger lies not in the machine itself but in the user's failure to envision the full cons
1485501;1466392872;mircea_popescu;equences of the instructions he gives to it.
1485502;1466392874;mircea_popescu;A smaller tool is dangerous too, but for a completely different reason: it tries to do what you tell it to, and fails in some way that is unpredictable and almost always undesirable. But the Hole Hawg is like the genie of the ancient fairy tales, who carries out his master's instructions literally and precisely and with unlimited power, often with disastrous, unforeseen consequences.
1485503;1466392879;mircea_popescu;sounds juuust about right.
1485504;1466392985;mircea_popescu;but yes, unix is possibly the last os the user was genuinely terrified of.
1485505;1466392990;mircea_popescu;at least - until bitcoin.
1485506;1466393371;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-06-01 <<< check it out, i lose o.O
1485507;1466393397;asciilifeform;lel i bet i win by 1 pastespew
1485508;1466393421;mircea_popescu;nah it's like 100s of lines!
1485509;1466393442;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-top-posters?start-date=2016-05-20 << apparently this has been going on for a while nao!
1485510;1466393527;asciilifeform;i still recall when arsebot was king.
1485511;1466393537;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
1485512;1466393550;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm for bed. laters.
1485513;1466393561;*;asciilifeform also. bbl
1485514;1466393726;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117650
1485515;1466395241;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4110995 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'JRMF <jrmf@hotmail.es>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90F94C2DC01C6D471E433F6EBBFB6897CE57B9F5A96A3D7D4AA6A23E94E5529C
1485516;1466396423;phf;for interested parties, i have a modified version of vdiff. http://paste.lisp.org/display/318813 (this one is mac specific, so if your shasum is different command you need to patch that, otherwise it should be portable)
1485517;1466396504;phf;of the two changes, it makes sure to close the cmd, which is a bug on bsd awks (or rather a defense against permissive gnu awk) the descriptors are kept open for each of the cmd's eventually running into open file limit
1485518;1466396559;phf;and the other one, and main reason for posting, is that you can use it in a pipe. like diff -uNr a b | vdiff to vdiffy-y any regular patch
1485519;1466396638;phf;which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
1485520;1466397476;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The lighter side of Russia. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/19/the-lighter-side-of-russia/
1485521;1466397841;BingoBoingo;https://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/16/06/19/2222201/jj-abrams-reacts-to-death-of-star-trek-actor-anton-chekov-yelchin << Jeep Grand Cherokee, why should powered products of today's China be any more feared than those of today's US
1485522;1466398071;BingoBoingo;oglaf.com/exhale/
1485523;1466398137;phf;man oglafbot has gone lazy
1485524;1466398186;BingoBoingo;yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
1485525;1466401429;felipelalli;(sorry, I'm a little drunk) https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4ox7re/as_a_bitcoin_hodler_i_beg_please_make_the_fork/
1485526;1466401527;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10
1485527;1466407158;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1485528;1466407161;gribble;Current Blocks: 417175 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 136 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 44 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1485529;1466419975;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo thanks, will make up for shitposting with something good when I can tune in something besides dao/ether noise.
1485530;1466419976;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1485531;1466421618;shinohai;;;later tell mircea_popescu I sense a thaw in relations now: http://archive.is/hbqvK  "Gibe monies plox"
1485532;1466421619;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1485533;1466421821;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo answer't.
1485534;1466421888;mircea_popescu;shinohai i still dunno if that's a good or a bad for bit-card
1485535;1466421909;shinohai;>.<
1485536;1466421942;shinohai;this is the first time i've actually been to ethereum sub. its filthy.
1485537;1466421964;mircea_popescu;sorta like 4chan for business majors.
1485538;1466422346;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485526 << i can only guess at what this sort of thing does to teh mp hater,
1485539;1466422346;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 05:45 felipelalli: mircea_popescu: you are genius, lol, thank you for that article lol x 10
1485540;1466422352;mircea_popescu;but it ain't pretty.
1485541;1466422460;mircea_popescu;phf interesting.
1485542;1466422492;mircea_popescu;any chance of putting this on ~your blog~, so if three years from now i go "hey i wonder where was that thing phf made with the diffs" i can save an hour ?
1485543;1466422506;shinohai;I miss giant parabolic antennas of the 80's
1485544;1466422677;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524 << that "Ladies and gentleman;" thing makes me think of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GafedXBYNAk
1485545;1466422677;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
1485546;1466422939;mircea_popescu;ahahaha ok this is rich!
1485547;1466423004;Framedragger;have to admit, kind of honestly exciting to watch DAO unravel this way
1485548;1466423033;Framedragger;"recursive call contracts" must some phrase out of a 1980s cyberpunk book
1485549;1466423042;Framedragger;must be*
1485550;1466423048;mircea_popescu;"I will buy Ether from any users who rage quit because of a hard fork. It won't be much because most opposition here is from non-stakeholders trying to deny stakeholders their right to self determination." << that's how http://trilema.com/2015/the-definitive-sovereign/ 's "the people themselves" is called now ? "right to self determination" ?
1485551;1466423061;mircea_popescu;"we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111"
1485552;1466423100;mircea_popescu;amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
1485553;1466423116;mircea_popescu;Framedragger postmodernism is ultrafictive huh.
1485554;1466423156;Framedragger;DAO is like some kind of flawed library of babel, collapsing in on itself in fractals
1485555;1466423156;Framedragger;/me hallucinates and enjoys it
1485556;1466423213;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6948309778074958508023 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Leonardo Zillo Monte Xillo <leonardo@zillo.it>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/510AF37CD9BEDC08A601ECFA864E20396412F81214CB415D6F02054540101CDB
1485557;1466423221;shinohai;Framedragger: I think of pulsars: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHEVo-LkDrQ
1485558;1466423320;Framedragger;shinohai: nice. also, i just remembered probing one of those software defined radios on the internet, and hearing this high frequency thing. checked, it said it was some pulsar. that thing out there doing full 360 degree spins in less than a second, and us hearing it.. cool stuff
1485559;1466423373;shinohai;I have a few of those dongles, have always loved tagging pulsars with it
1485560;1466423378;Framedragger;the additional ethereum from the child dao splits is teh leaked gravitational energy, something something
1485561;1466423388;Framedragger;s/energy/momentum/
1485562;1466423670;thestringpuller;r u srs???? https://twitter.com/slockitproject/status/744860466552410112
1485563;1466423727;mircea_popescu;lmao. this from the still very vocal "company" THAT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MESS ?
1485564;1466423760;mircea_popescu;the cheek of the usg agents, you know. "legal system" czar gave them the note signed by hitler, they perceive responsibility as a thing of the past.
1485565;1466424044;thestringpuller;So let me get this straight. Vitalik believes everything should be on the blockchain cuz "future". Hype ensues, and because of stupid "block size issue" in Bitcoin, he's able to pump the bubble with gullible ether huffers.
1485566;1466424048;thestringpuller;Okay, so CCO Stephan Tual is waking him off and tries to "do work", by creating slock.it. Slock it is a company who's flagship vaporware is the Slock connected to an "Ethereum Computer". The Slock is a lock based on a smart contract, that unlocks a door when someone pays enough Ether via a hub like AirBNB. So called making "rentals" automated. They release the DAO and pump that to crowdfund their computer. The DAO gets hacked and they
1485567;1466424315;thestringpuller;"I think we're soon going to see discussions of liability consume this community in a way that makes the MtGox fiasco look simple by comparison -- because it was, in terms of liability."
1485568;1466425446;mircea_popescu;heh.
1485569;1466425472;mircea_popescu;while on that topic, perhaps mention worthy, http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117654
1485570;1466425795;thestringpuller;phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line?
1485571;1466425809;thestringpuller;for instance: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485552 << gets lost if you click it cause its at the bottom
1485572;1466425809;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 11:45 mircea_popescu: amusingly enough... there's US Supreme Court precedent to the theory! http://trilema.com/2013/the-endless-story-of-korea/
1485573;1466425888;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: "Groups of scammers use these idiots, exactly like the 'Ndrangheta used that Josh Zerlan muppet" << goes back to the thread of "Bernie Madoff wasn't to blame alone"; i.e. the muppets that vouched/pumped his scam
1485574;1466425898;mircea_popescu;quite.
1485575;1466425965;thestringpuller;hmmm. perhaps there is distinction between "harmless idiot" and "harmful idiot". Much like debate of useful vs useless idiot.
1485576;1466426002;mircea_popescu;well, if this were some sort of uncontrollable spread by vector like infection, then yes. but in point of fact they're only contagious IF YOU AGREE. you don't have to agree.
1485577;1466426014;mircea_popescu;while they should be beheaded in principle, there's really no emergency.
1485578;1466426085;mircea_popescu;but in other etherape news... http://66.media.tumblr.com/ad18a203f2a9767b5e1828b4101dd41b/tumblr_o3uct3Ak2z1twkv1qo2_400.gif
1485579;1466426090;mircea_popescu;check them out, THEY RECOVERED.
1485580;1466426092;mircea_popescu;(notrly)
1485581;1466426173;shinohai;ETH: -8.26 %   DAO: -13.45 %
1485582;1466426222;mircea_popescu;hopefully it bleeds out the entirety of mit's 13 bn worth of paper "endowments" and we don't have to hear about that shithole ever again.
1485583;1466426296;shinohai;mit hates him! Learn how to rape the dao with this ONE SIMPLE TRICK!
1485584;1466426319;mircea_popescu;exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485524
1485585;1466426319;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 04:49 BingoBoingo: yeah, but not as lazy as http://pastebin.com/raw/9MRVDC9h
1485586;1466426375;shinohai;heh sigaint.org was pwnd years ago wasn't it?
1485587;1466426540;thestringpuller;"After researching Bitcoin, Buterin wanted to get his hands on some so he could formally join this new, experimental economy, but he had neither the cash to buy them, nor the computing power necessary to mine them himself. Instead he searched the online Bitcoin forums until he found someone who was willing to pay him in bitcoin for contributing to a blog. Every post earned him 5 bitcoins."
1485588;1466426566;thestringpuller;Master shill till you get yo fill.
1485589;1466426579;thestringpuller;actually i'm trad marking that "Master Shill"(tm)
1485590;1466426862;shinohai;seriously these ppl using "gotomypc.com" service who are one password hack away from having all your shit exfiltrated or ransomed.
1485591;1466426910;*;shinohai still waiting for leaks or for company to say how bad.
1485592;1466427078;mircea_popescu;whole db.
1485593;1466427110;mircea_popescu;in the new normal of usg agents, "you only say something if it benefits you". so they don't see the point of saying "we lost it all", because what's in it for them ?
1485594;1466427136;mircea_popescu;much like that slock muppet isn't coming out with a "we fucked it all up, i'm unqualified to trim hedges" suicide note.
1485595;1466427159;shinohai;kek
1485596;1466427171;mircea_popescu;much like phantomcircuit is still "contributing" to bitcoin, presumably new and novel ways to send the whole customer list the whole customer emails list.
1485597;1466427270;thestringpuller;Meanwhile Roger Ver is getting desperate:
1485598;1466427272;thestringpuller;Congratulations small blockers, Bitcoin is now more expensive than an international bank wire transfer in some cases. Here is a $50 tx fee paid for a single transaction
1485599;1466427283;thestringpuller;And links to >> https://blockchain.info/tx/e688df0207f885aa9d4dc61092817cf17334f981c577c16f840b0523216cbb4c
1485600;1466427291;thestringpuller;Which is a 48kb transaction
1485601;1466427457;mircea_popescu;aww!
1485602;1466427458;shinohai;well perhaps they shouldn't spam treatises on bigger blocks to the blockchain, thereby reducing wasted space.
1485603;1466427467;mircea_popescu;he should try sending a 50kb wire sometime.
1485604;1466427483;mircea_popescu;such a worldy man as roger ver should fucking know what that costs.
1485605;1466427538;mircea_popescu;"a transaction" ie, "pay from these 500 accounts to these 500 accounts" is not ONE wire. it's 1001 wires.
1485606;1466427561;mircea_popescu;yes you get discounts if you do a lot of international settlements, but still.
1485607;1466427590;shinohai;"NEM uses innovative Proof-of-Importance algorithm: first reputation based blockchain algorythm"  ( java, javascript)
1485608;1466427620;mircea_popescu;hopefully PoP & PoT come out soon
1485609;1466427680;mircea_popescu;then they can have the Pot vs PoB holy wars, arraying anarcho-bureaucratists vs queer nontransgenerational feminists & vegans or something.
1485610;1466428010;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs.
1485611;1466428320;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#comment-117655
1485612;1466428369;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Attracting comments is good. It proves we have readers.
1485613;1466428981;thestringpuller;lol. the loan rates on ether are like 0.001% for 2 days
1485614;1466428990;thestringpuller;amount available to borrow 140k ether
1485615;1466429320;shinohai;Chesscoin: A giant premined ico turd with only 4096 blocks of scrypt pow
1485616;1466429811;Framedragger;asciilifeform: openpgp'd ssh keys (thanks jurov for PGPy hack): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ - 13 bz2 archives, each of which contains directory with 800k-900k files (one file per key, assumption was that this'd be easiest for bulk import)
1485617;1466429835;Framedragger;asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
1485618;1466430101;mircea_popescu;nice!
1485619;1466430348;Framedragger;(dunno how bulk import on phuctor is done but hopefully it's something pretty close to `for f in *; do ./import_this_openpgp $f; done`) :)
1485620;1466430792;mircea_popescu;$up KGery
1485621;1466430804;deedbot;KGery voiced for 30 minutes.
1485622;1466430857;mircea_popescu;KGery go ahead
1485623;1466430877;KGery;$register E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7
1485624;1466430881;deedbot;Import failed for E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7.
1485625;1466430889;mircea_popescu;hm
1485626;1466430907;KGery;$register KGery E6270097BDE964F7B6FC39B205CDF5F369E5AEE7
1485627;1466430907;deedbot;Import failed for KGery.
1485628;1466430958;mircea_popescu;KGery well, give it a few hours we'll see wtf this is.
1485629;1466430970;KGery;Okay, will try again after a while
1485630;1466431265;shinohai;lol I just realized that gatecoin was a  "partner" of slock.it
1485631;1466431308;shinohai;http://qntra.net/2016/05/altcoin-exchange-hacked-claims-2-million-united-states-dollars-lost/
1485632;1466431413;mircea_popescu;aww
1485633;1466431434;KGery;managed to get deedbot to register me
1485634;1466431491;KGery;How do i request credidentals to Eulorum now?
1485635;1466431493;mircea_popescu;a cool.
1485636;1466431563;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485519 << this is potentially useful
1485637;1466431563;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
1485638;1466431580;asciilifeform;though when i exclude files, i simply move'em
1485639;1466431586;asciilifeform;works on ANY unix
1485640;1466431599;asciilifeform;rather than relying on flagolade
1485641;1466431630;mircea_popescu;$key KGery
1485642;1466431644;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/51a1d03a-d35a-4b40-a67b-7cba7922e186/
1485643;1466431660;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485551 << i would say 'idiots who believed promises made by state are extinct' but this appears not to be the case.
1485644;1466431660;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 11:44 mircea_popescu: "we made some promises, which WE HAVE THE RIGHT OF SELF DETERMINATION TO NOT KEEP!!1111"
1485645;1466431732;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485610 << how does this work ?
1485646;1466431732;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 13:06 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, phuctor's becoming quite the tool in scoping out new sigs.
1485647;1466431811;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform part of the "import a sig" chain, see what phuctor says.
1485648;1466431980;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485617 << nice. these will stoke the furnace for a very long time.
1485649;1466431980;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 13:37 Framedragger: asciilifeform: tar archive of all archives (3 GB): http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/ssh_openpgp_all_2016-06-20.tar ; checksums http://95.85.10.71:8000/all/openpgp/SHA256SUMS.txt
1485650;1466431990;Framedragger;good stuff
1485651;1466432014;asciilifeform;(the one and only actual bottleneck on phuctor is getting keys in - there is NO way around db query FOR EACH)
1485652;1466432311;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh
1485653;1466432724;Framedragger;asciilifeform: if it's a regular rdbms i guess you can at least pipeline it in the db itself, e.g. https://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/queries-with.html - but i imagine the bottleneck is not exactly there
1485654;1466432745;Framedragger;i.e. do the loop of for each as part of the query itself; but maybe you already do that
1485655;1466433156;asciilifeform;Framedragger: the queries can't be batched.
1485656;1466433161;asciilifeform;try to understand why, it is educational.
1485657;1466433183;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: you can't use map reduce?
1485658;1466433191;thestringpuller; /sarcasm
1485659;1466433244;Framedragger;:)
1485660;1466433268;Framedragger;right, you need to go through every existing modulus and check against it, i guess
1485661;1466433316;Framedragger;i'll read that djb's paper soon now
1485662;1466434030;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this has nothing to do with the gcd thing
1485663;1466434139;asciilifeform;in other lulz: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/ethereum-is-doomed
1485664;1466434206;Framedragger;asciilifeform: so is it then because you need to insert them sequentially, you can't paralllelize because if you do you won't end up with db which'd have "*all* moduli tested against each other"?
1485665;1466434213;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's been very amusing to watch the margins of the impact crater.
1485666;1466434240;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it is because the mods MUST be deduplicated.
1485667;1466434259;asciilifeform;and correctly cross-referenced with the originating keys.
1485668;1466434274;Framedragger;..makes sense.
1485669;1466434276;Framedragger;ok
1485670;1466434326;mircea_popescu;but the lulziest part : their "solution" consists of a blacklist to be baked into code forevermore!
1485671;1466434330;Framedragger;yeah i observed how dupe check works correctly in phuctor, and in retrospect it really is important, right
1485672;1466434348;mircea_popescu;imagine the clever mit governance of their scamcoin. by 2018 there will be 10gb of crud. "why is this all here ?!?!?!?!"
1485673;1466434367;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hey, it 'works' for microshit!111111
1485674;1466434370;mircea_popescu;"|well, this line is because one idiot put a bug in in march 2015. this one april. these fifteen may. etc. it's all needed"
1485675;1466434388;asciilifeform;winblowz source ACTUALLY looks like this.
1485676;1466434393;mircea_popescu;aha.
1485677;1466434427;mircea_popescu;also the lulz at the stephan tual idiot, "nothing was stolen nothing was lost"
1485678;1466434446;mircea_popescu;point to the moon, vc tard will look at the finger. then gouge his eyes out, and he'll thank you for nothing happening.
1485679;1466434479;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima bbl. if the various journos that kept wanting interviews do manage to find their way to the internet, keep 'em warm ima be back in a few hours.
1485680;1466434754;shinohai;http://archive.is/ZQexq
1485681;1466434792;asciilifeform;notagain.jpg
1485682;1466435083;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485570 << that should already happen, so probably feature is broken in one of the browsers. if you can give me name/version i could debug it, and possibly even fix it
1485683;1466435084;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 12:29 thestringpuller: phf: random thought. is it possible to highlight lines when linked to a log with a direct line?
1485684;1466435168;thestringpuller;phf: ah. outdated chrome. just updated chrome and it is working now.
1485685;1466435179;thestringpuller;user error :(
1485686;1466435289;phf;thestringpuller: which version of chrome was it?
1485687;1466435333;phf;it's such a simple feature it should really work all the way back to IE5 or whatever
1485688;1466435950;thestringpuller;Yea. I don't think it was the version. I think I "broke" my chrome at work.
1485689;1466435981;thestringpuller;it was just*
1485690;1466435999;phf;oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/
1485691;1466436213;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around
1485692;1466436214;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 14:06 asciilifeform: though when i exclude files, i simply move'em
1485693;1466436229;asciilifeform;fair enough
1485694;1466436545;asciilifeform;Framedragger: pumping'em in...
1485695;1466437879;shinohai;https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/744914837126316032  <<< john mcaffe makes dao declaration
1485696;1466437924;asciilifeform;lel
1485697;1466438425;Framedragger;here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/
1485698;1466438432;Framedragger;asciilifeform: cool!
1485699;1466438467;Framedragger;hope the crunching goes well
1485700;1466439170;shinohai;"sluck.it: desperate to have the mEth community come together and clean up the shit they took on the carpet."
1485701;1466442734;thestringpuller;$up Bugpowder
1485702;1466442750;deedbot;thestringpuller may not $up Bugpowder
1485703;1466443566;mats;$up Bugpowder
1485704;1466443567;deedbot;mats may not $up Bugpowder
1485705;1466443579;Bugpowder;Im up
1485706;1466443676;mats;dunno why deedbot didn't try anyway
1485707;1466443835;mats;oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar
1485708;1466443842;mats;and neither is thestringpuller
1485709;1466443871;Bugpowder;lol
1485710;1466443880;Bugpowder;this is the L1 L2 thing?
1485711;1466443883;thestringpuller;lol
1485712;1466443915;mats;join #cryptography-dev
1485713;1466443919;mats;er
1485714;1466443995;mats;yes Bugpowder i think so
1485715;1466444193;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485707   <<< i think there are stricter rules for deedbot no?
1485716;1466444193;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 17:30 mats: oh, right, i'm not a person anymoar
1485717;1466444274;mats;;;later tell mike_c 503 at http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mats&to=deedbot
1485718;1466444274;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1485719;1466444294;trinque;mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
1485720;1466444315;trinque;phf: were you able to connect to pg?
1485721;1466444345;trinque;if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot
1485722;1466444362;shinohai;no nick for just deedbot in btcalpha :/
1485723;1466444371;mats;oops.
1485724;1466444386;mats;shouldn't 503 anyway, though
1485725;1466444439;shinohai;http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats   <<< worx >.<
1485726;1466444682;thestringpuller;shinohai: its deedbot now
1485727;1466444720;trinque;thestringpuller: trinque │ mats: as far as I know that's yet to be updated with new data
1485728;1466447003;phf;i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro
1485729;1466447226;asciilifeform;unlikely to happen. unix is a half-dead thing, like pgp.
1485730;1466447253;phf;obsolete technology to be replaced by ???
1485731;1466447258;asciilifeform;aha.
1485732;1466447261;asciilifeform;precisely that.
1485733;1466447304;phf;to be replaced by my smbx restoration attempts in 20 years time and 20mil shorter :p
1485734;1466447322;asciilifeform;i can't recall if we had the thread,
1485735;1466447334;asciilifeform;but smbx lispm was actually a terrific crock of shit, implementation-wise
1485736;1466447369;asciilifeform;~95% undergrad hacks by weight, to get around the quite baroque hardware stack forced by the tech of the period.
1485737;1466447405;asciilifeform;it was ~conceptually~ The Right Thing in 1,001 ways that c-machine is not, but not something that really deserves to be rebuilt verbatim (other than for study)
1485738;1466447487;phf;well, it can be rebuilt as a staging platform, sort of like instead of building own city, can just use the carcass of a roman settlement. it's not rome, but with some study can understand rome nature and work towards that.
1485739;1466447505;asciilifeform;aha.
1485740;1466447552;asciilifeform;point being, the higher-level stuff is interesting and useful, but the foundations are crud. mainly, cost of memory and disk at the time made orthogonal persistence a largely unthinkable thing.
1485741;1466447625;Framedragger;re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc
1485742;1466447635;asciilifeform;likewise, slow clocks of the time made 'compilation must be a form of caching strictly' likewise unthinkable.
1485743;1466447650;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ..however, short-term some local optimum surely exists
1485744;1466447653;asciilifeform;Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago
1485745;1466447661;asciilifeform;it had NO FUCKING RNG AT ALL FOR YEARS and NO ONE NOTICED.
1485746;1466447665;Framedragger;let me guess, i should check the logs :)
1485747;1466447671;asciilifeform;and moved to shit compiler, throwing away gcc
1485748;1466447674;asciilifeform;it is dead to me.
1485749;1466447674;Framedragger;you misspelt debian /joke
1485750;1466447682;Framedragger;llvm?
1485751;1466447684;asciilifeform;aha.
1485752;1466447693;Framedragger;is llvm surely shit? i was always wary of it, but technically speaking, why shit?
1485753;1466447693;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: FreeBSD is basically Fedora/Red Hat level shitgnome infested
1485754;1466447704;mats;llvm is p technically interesting
1485755;1466447706;Framedragger;these abstract rebuttals always confuse me
1485756;1466447713;Framedragger;too much thought compression
1485757;1466447713;BingoBoingo;$google Freebsd random bug
1485758;1466447717;asciilifeform;Framedragger: because it is a political instrument of the enemy.
1485759;1466447719;asciilifeform;this suffices for me.
1485760;1466447724;Framedragger;*yawn*
1485761;1466447725;Framedragger;k
1485762;1466447729;deedbot;https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/19/freebsd-and-the-yarnbug-more-trouble-at-the-random-number-mill/ << FreeBSD and the YARNBUG – more trouble at the Random Number ... | https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/pr-guidelines/article.html << FreeBSD Problem Report Handling Guidelines | http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports-bugs << freebsd-ports-bugs Info Page
1485763;1466447730;asciilifeform;it exists strictly because apple wanted to be rid of the gpl.
1485764;1466447750;asciilifeform;$s llvm
1485765;1466447750;a111;70 results for "llvm", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=llvm
1485766;1466447753;asciilifeform;^ have fun
1485767;1466447769;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: lol talk about selection bias;surely you can do the same for various linuxes
1485768;1466447789;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: If you bsd either NEtBSD or OpenbsD but make own ports.
1485769;1466447803;phf;Framedragger: linux is worst is better in this case. it sucks in the same way freebsd sucks, but it has more support, more software, more drivers, etc.
1485770;1466447825;asciilifeform;at any rate, all unix is architecturally defective in ways which inevitably lead to the same piles of shit we are kicking around today.
1485771;1466447832;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: Sure like Debian. The freebsd problem is where there bugs keep popping up (i.e. places that make crypto impossibru)
1485772;1466447840;phf;but llvm is definitely toxic because it was designed with the ~explicitly stated goal~ of killing gcc
1485773;1466447848;Framedragger;phf: the latter is true i suppose, but on stable hardware configurations the"drivers" etc prolly does not apply. but sure, size etc
1485774;1466447866;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this 'stable hardware' thing also doesn't exist.
1485775;1466447871;asciilifeform;anywhere.
1485776;1466447931;phf;Framedragger: fwiw i've spent about 4 years on freebsd, from 98 to 2002 or so and it pains me to no end that platform compromised where theo held the perimeters with an iron fist.
1485777;1466447962;Framedragger;asciilifeform: that's a misuse of slippery slope i think; i could e.g. say then that any "concept" is not "stable" and not "truly ontologically grounded" or whatever. but i guess there's actual stuff / critique to be said about stability of hardware in particular, so, fair enough i guess
1485778;1466447966;*;asciilifeform 2000-2006 or so
1485779;1466447996;asciilifeform;Framedragger: no slopes, slippery or otherwise. simply pointing out that the 'you can buy this machine, and 20 yrs from now you can buy 100% compatible one' does NOT exist.
1485780;1466448001;asciilifeform;nor threatens to exist.
1485781;1466448015;*;Framedragger on and off but generally not old enough to join the club. the documentation is a piece of work though..
1485782;1466448042;Framedragger;asciilifeform: sure, ok
1485783;1466448053;trinque;I'm clutching to hand-compiled driftwood on openbsd
1485784;1466448057;asciilifeform;even if you reduce the 20 to, say, 5.
1485785;1466448060;asciilifeform;ALSO does not exist.
1485786;1466448068;trinque;if I had another pair of hands I'd finish porting portage over
1485787;1466448144;asciilifeform;for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set.
1485788;1466448190;asciilifeform;nor does the effort of attempting sane os pay off, lacking stable iron.
1485789;1466448233;asciilifeform;this is why the only tmsr silicon worth making is an fpga.
1485790;1466448290;asciilifeform;(see logz, we had at least half a dozen 'if fpga actually existed' threads.)
1485791;1466448294;thestringpuller;Instead of the Bitcoin computer. S.NSA can make the TMSR Computer.
1485792;1466448348;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: we had this thread also a dozen times.
1485793;1466448371;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: with current fabrication tech, the cost of fabricating any quantity of sane computer could never be earned back.
1485794;1466448386;thestringpuller;We pay for nice things. etc. etc.
1485795;1466448423;trinque;moreover if you don't have a plan to march from A to B, B is pointless to consider strategically
1485796;1466448456;trinque;hence my collection of driftwood
1485797;1466448510;trinque;"we will arrive at B with negative 50k men and three un-tanks"
1485798;1466448525;asciilifeform;trinque: sorta what we have now.
1485799;1466448535;trinque;l0l
1485800;1466448543;asciilifeform;i'm personally riding two dozen untanks.
1485801;1466448568;asciilifeform;'i rode a tank, held a general's rank, while the blitzkrieg rages and the bodies stank...' (tm) (r)
1485802;1466448597;phf;Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richness, so everyone's excited abou
1485803;1466448597;phf;t it), but unlike federated gcc, llvm is owned entirely by apple and greater extent other apple aligned corporations. their interests are ~opposite~ to those of enterprising individuals.
1485804;1466448625;asciilifeform;^
1485805;1466448626;asciilifeform;good summary.
1485806;1466448720;thestringpuller;not even just a little dick up the butthole?
1485807;1466448731;thestringpuller;like if you HAD to have a dick up your butthole.
1485808;1466448732;phf;you might not notice it, because you look at it from the perspective of release summaries and hacker news posts, but the kind of decisions that go into llvm are ~entirely~ driven by large corporate with large teams and large hardware needs. it's synergistic.
1485809;1466448771;trinque;itt thestringpuller henceforth dubbed justthetip
1485810;1466448840;thestringpuller;i'm just saying what if option is big dick up butthole or little dick up butthole. i know ideal situation is no dick up butthole at all.
1485811;1466448864;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: there is always a 3rd option, 'fight to the death'.
1485812;1466448887;thestringpuller;of course the cost of that is your life. sometimes a prisoner would rather have dick up butt than shiv in kidney.
1485813;1466448904;thestringpuller;just sayin'
1485814;1466448921;asciilifeform;thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately.
1485815;1466448942;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-16#1407078 << thread
1485816;1466448942;a111;Logged on 2016-02-16 16:51 mircea_popescu: this is patriotism, in perhaps an extreme degree.
1485817;1466449099;thestringpuller;"You know, I spend a lot of time, you know, thinking about all the shit I could've done. I mean, I wake up in the morning and I think, I could've been the motherfucking president. Shit. Nigga, I wish things had've been different. I mean, I'd do anything in the motherfucking world just for things to be different. I guess I'm just gonna be raping niggas' asses for the rest of my motherfucking life." - Random Prisoner Who Thought He Woul
1485818;1466450329;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s
1485819;1466450398;asciilifeform;'NSC 26/2 was mistakenly declassified in 1985 by an archivist at the Truman Presidential Library which is part of the National Archives and Records Administration. A library official in a legal deposition deemed it the worst security breach in the National Archives’ history. A furious CIA demanded the archivist be fired, but he remained a library employee after losing his top-secret clearance. NSC 26/2 was reclassified top secret,
1485820;1466450399;asciilifeform;but by this time Research Publications, a Connecticut company, had sent it along with other microfiched documents to libraries across the country. The microfiche weren’t recalled after a government decision – it’s not clear by whom – that it would arouse attention. '
1485821;1466450812;asciilifeform;in yet other lulz,
1485822;1466450813;asciilifeform;http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html
1485823;1466450825;asciilifeform;'The tests will potentially knock out all GPS-reliant services including WAAS, GBAS and, notably, ADS-B. The FAA also doesn’t want a lot of radio chatter about the outages and is urging pilots to report them if they need help from ATC. Operators of Embraer Phenom 300 business jets are being urged to avoid the area entirely. “Due to GPS Interference impacts potentially affecting Embraer 300 aircraft flight stability controls, FAA
1485824;1466450825;asciilifeform;recommends EMB Phenom pilots avoid the … testing area and closely monitor flight control systems,” the Notam reads.'
1485825;1466450837;asciilifeform;for srs?
1485826;1466450854;asciilifeform;lizard jets can be toppled with cheap jammer ?
1485827;1466450879;mats;i mean, USN only just restarted teaching stellar navigation, so...
1485828;1466450928;BingoBoingo;What, it isn't like GPS satellites broadcast with 10,000 screaming hot watts of power.
1485829;1466450965;trinque;http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/GENOT_7110_711_EMB-300.pdf
1485830;1466450966;trinque;wahahaha
1485831;1466450974;trinque;who builds these things?
1485832;1466450993;deedbot;[Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Update: Journalist Swindled Into Writing A #Longread - http://qntra.net/2016/06/hoaxtoshi-update-journalist-swindled-into-writing-a-longread/
1485833;1466451026;trinque;the thing has to be emergency landed if GPS is lost?
1485834;1466451163;asciilifeform;apparently ?
1485835;1466451386;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: modern gps jamming countermeasures play clever tricks with ~direction~
1485836;1466451407;asciilifeform;(jammer is most usually ~below~ the victim, genuine article - above.)
1485837;1466451458;BingoBoingo;ah
1485838;1466451460;mircea_popescu;the days of gsm style gps "whatever stronger source wins" are done with the 90s
1485839;1466451651;mircea_popescu;in other "internet of things" lulz, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c4fd4dd1-38d7-4cd8-b571-b415dd7c9919/
1485840;1466452160;*;trinque does a deedbot deploy for whitespace trimming around commands
1485841;1466452949;mircea_popescu;in other news, apparently the uk is looking at legal options to implement a recursive splitting from the eu and subsequently drain all euros.
1485842;1466452995;asciilifeform;l0l
1485843;1466453004;mircea_popescu;altogether not a bad idea.
1485844;1466453014;shinohai;hue
1485845;1466453258;mircea_popescu;$up Framedragger
1485846;1466453259;mircea_popescu;heh
1485847;1466453261;deedbot;Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes.
1485848;1466453264;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor
1485849;1466453264;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
1485850;1466453858;mircea_popescu;all the butthurt people, oh noes. what shall we ever do!
1485851;1466454064;jurov;Framedragger: if you already openpgp'd the keys, feeding them to phuctor via http is trivial
1485852;1466454088;mircea_popescu;slow tho
1485853;1466454104;jurov;i suspect alf won't do it himself because reasons
1485854;1466454133;jurov;"it's not fit for that purpose" or such
1485855;1466454146;mircea_popescu;omg wai.
1485856;1466454168;jurov;or i misread the discussion?
1485857;1466454178;trinque;asciilifeform said he *would* feed them in.
1485858;1466454190;jurov;aok
1485859;1466454238;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483485 < i meant this discussion
1485860;1466454238;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 15:41 asciilifeform: this incidentally is why phuctor had been a depressing thing for me. the thing i set out to find, i never found (evidence of diddled rng on pgp users' boxes.)
1485861;1466454318;*;mircea_popescu thinks jurov's trying to stir shit up!
1485862;1466454446;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-17#1484330
1485863;1466454446;a111;Logged on 2016-06-17 20:43 asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you send me a tarball, they'll go in wholesale.
1485864;1466454477;trinque;"I suspect because tmsr is being lax about read-the-logs beatings."
1485865;1466454518;asciilifeform;for fucks sake
1485866;1466454524;asciilifeform;they are already being fed in
1485867;1466454534;asciilifeform;5100+ already.
1485868;1466454642;jurov;fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427
1485869;1466454642;a111;Logged on 2016-06-16 15:24 asciilifeform: understand, if i were to switch phuctor to storing IN this format, NO key it spits out will ever be eatable by gpg.
1485870;1466454649;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485681 <<< lol @poor schmuck hallucinating self "novelist", deciding to press on ANYWAY in spite of craig derp beheading because he also hallucinates himself some sort of postmodern orpheus who;'s gonna lyre the beasts to sleep, only to fall flat.
1485871;1466454649;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 14:59 asciilifeform: notagain.jpg
1485872;1466454678;mircea_popescu;hopefully his local dispensary has enough pills to medicate him back to copacetic normalcy
1485873;1466454750;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485690 <<< i lollered.
1485874;1466454750;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 15:19 phf: oh poop, i guess i'll have to work on hard bugs instead :/
1485875;1466454890;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485697 << let's zoom out on this derp's prose. "i was. I began. math was easy (FOR ME!). my grades. i got. i transferred. i would. i was. what i have. what i learned. that is TEN  fucking paragraphs.
1485876;1466454890;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 16:00 Framedragger: here's more of him on dao and sleeping with students http://techgenix.com/mathematics-ethereum-hack/
1485877;1466454907;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485868 << phuctor is unchanged - Framedragger converted the ssh keys to pgp format.
1485878;1466454907;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 20:30 jurov: fine, fine, and what happened to this? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-16#1483427
1485879;1466454909;mircea_popescu;i hope he lives off belly button lint, because any sort of social order in which this fuck is not starving is ipso facto broken
1485880;1466454959;jurov;asciilifeform: so I ought to, too?
1485881;1466454971;mircea_popescu;someone needs to tell mcafee that buying $5 worth of articles on craigslist results in $0 worth of verbiage.
1485882;1466455000;mircea_popescu;jurov if you dun feel like it, give it a little and Framedragger will make his thing a thing.
1485883;1466455018;mircea_popescu;we'll need a convertor anyway, the problem of non-compliant rsa implementation isn't going to go away suddenyl.
1485884;1466455058;jurov;i already explained I have no problem to convert, just that it will balloon the data up
1485885;1466455073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in case you missed it, he converted all the keys, i loaded, and they are being fed in even now.
1485886;1466455073;mircea_popescu;well yeah.
1485887;1466455076;asciilifeform;all xx mil of them.
1485888;1466455092;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is Framedragger 's set (servers) or jurov 's set (github, cliuents) ?
1485889;1466455097;asciilifeform;Framedragger's
1485890;1466455104;mircea_popescu;we're talking of the other one.
1485891;1466455106;asciilifeform;ah
1485892;1466455121;mircea_popescu;recall, jurov parsed all of github, produced a pile of keys and the convertor code
1485893;1466455181;asciilifeform;ah yes
1485894;1466455192;asciilifeform;i see no reason not to do same thing as for Framedragger's
1485895;1466455195;mircea_popescu;anyway, normally i'd have just let you do the conversion locally, but since Framedragger is such an impetuous youth, we're moving fast for once :D
1485896;1466455209;jurov;ok, i'll convert
1485897;1466455210;mircea_popescu;jurov is it practical to just "do the same thing as Framedragger " ?
1485898;1466455212;mircea_popescu;cool.
1485899;1466455295;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485691 << this is a major win, you'll have to publish the thing.
1485900;1466455296;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 15:23 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485638 << btcbase is deployed using v (not quite fully automatically yet though), and there's all kind of support infrastructure in that folder that i don't want to diff every time, but also don't want to shuffle around
1485901;1466455316;mircea_popescu;don't clean it up TOO much first, either. cheese gotta have some cheese flavour.
1485902;1466455384;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485721 << heh.
1485903;1466455384;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 17:39 trinque: if I can avoid working on a btcalpha replacement I'll be hacking on the payment system for deedbot
1485904;1466455441;BingoBoingo;Lying shitgnome caught in the act NOT talking about computers https://archive.is/xooJH
1485905;1466455749;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485728 << it's a large project and generally not a ripe fruit yet, i don't think, but yes.
1485906;1466455749;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:23 phf: i'm about to provision another machine based on asciilifeform's gentoo depotatoing, but i really wish tmsr had a better official distro
1485907;1466455777;mircea_popescu;the path to bitcoinfs intersects a tmsr-os/loper-os/whatever-we-end-up-calling-it-os, just...
1485908;1466455784;mircea_popescu;im not even sure it should be linux.
1485909;1466455789;asciilifeform;^
1485910;1466455842;mircea_popescu;if it is linux, it probably is more like debian sarge or gentoo whatever from 2003 than anything visible in the wild. fuck, it probably should be more like ibm-dos really.
1485911;1466455910;asciilifeform;the interesting bit re dos is that it was felled precisely by the same hardware tower of babel which gave us a multi-MB linux turdkernel
1485912;1466455933;asciilifeform;you get two options, standardizing the iron, or abstracting over the babelade
1485913;1466455941;asciilifeform;tertium non datur.
1485914;1466455944;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485741 << BingoBoingo keeps the bsd flame alive, and others maybe (mod6 ?) but... it's really a murky point yet.
1485915;1466455945;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:33 Framedragger: re gentoo etc: what of e.g. freebsd, a very nice distro with a monolithic kernel+libc, good documentation, maintenance etc
1485916;1466455969;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we have the power to standardize the iron, maybe, through the process of selection.
1485917;1466455974;mircea_popescu;exactly how natural evolution works.
1485918;1466455977;asciilifeform;selection is NOT enough.
1485919;1466455983;asciilifeform;you need something to select FROM.
1485920;1466455992;mircea_popescu;that something is called patience.
1485921;1466456027;asciilifeform;this is like waiting for ocean to dry out.
1485922;1466456035;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485744 << this is an argument contra de maintainers, not necessarily contra de item. but still.
1485923;1466456035;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:34 asciilifeform: Framedragger: freebsd fell to rot long ago
1485924;1466456039;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the ocean WILL dry out.
1485925;1466456102;asciilifeform;for so long as mass turdmarket is ~the~ driver of manufacture, there will be only the equivalent of 'winmodems' to choose from iron-wise.
1485926;1466456126;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485755 <<< in fairness you ask / make very abstract questions / statements.
1485927;1466456127;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:35 Framedragger: these abstract rebuttals always confuse me
1485928;1466456149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform seems altogether improbable that as of today the turdmarket is the driver of anything.
1485929;1466456188;asciilifeform;it drives 100% of silicon.
1485930;1466456203;mircea_popescu;i have doubts, as an anthropologist i mean, that this was EVER actually the case. it seems altogether plausible that the ~idea~ of turdmarket driving things was perceived as "likely to occur" in general and perhaps circumstantially occuring in some spots, but the trends are separating not joining
1485931;1466456206;asciilifeform;and anything and everything else where you have to sell 10,000+ pieces to break even.
1485932;1466456231;asciilifeform;(more like 100,000 with modern processes)
1485933;1466456254;mircea_popescu;take modems. who buys them ? telcos. take say smartphones. who buys them ? corporations. literally, not just because they "issue" the drones one, but because they decide which is the "in" one to have.
1485934;1466456295;mircea_popescu;so the drones "make the decision" to "buy" one with "their" "money" aka corp scrip on loan from the corp.
1485935;1466456319;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg
1485936;1466456339;asciilifeform;but the shit tower doesn't need the drones to have 'free choice', in order to work
1485937;1466456341;mircea_popescu;but anyway, this is not terribly related. "whether it's a collie or a terrier it still bit me"
1485938;1466456352;asciilifeform;for so long as ~somebody~ buys those 100,000 - you can make the next batch.
1485939;1466456367;asciilifeform;whether it is kim jong up, to build statue of himself out of them, or apple - dun matter.
1485940;1466456370;asciilifeform;*un
1485941;1466456373;mircea_popescu;yeah but see, did pharoh buy one pyramid or 100`000 chunks of cut stone.
1485942;1466456402;asciilifeform;does it matter to the stonecutters?
1485943;1466456402;mircea_popescu;tbh i like kim jong up a lot better.
1485944;1466456409;asciilifeform;lel
1485945;1466456433;mircea_popescu;maybe he could be kim jong up from now on. and he could have a son and name him kim dong down
1485946;1466457820;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485787 << well, at least in theory this problem could be resolved by saying "we only do servers" at least at first.
1485947;1466457820;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:42 asciilifeform: for so long as 'you can't buy this video board any moar' is a thing, at ALL, there neither is nor can be such a thing as sane driver set.
1485948;1466457836;asciilifeform;not really.
1485949;1466457848;asciilifeform;(e.g., which NIC? and what's to guarantee that it will be available)
1485950;1466457868;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485800 << that's unthinkable!
1485951;1466457868;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 asciilifeform: i'm personally riding two dozen untanks.
1485952;1466457901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah. i just meant the vidcard gnarl could maybe be excised in a politically defensible manner. historically it was ~60 to 70% of all the mess.
1485953;1466457915;asciilifeform;unfortunately that isn't remotely the end of it.
1485954;1466457967;mircea_popescu;myeah
1485955;1466458090;asciilifeform;likewise the intel and amd boobytrap cores dun go away when we close eyes.
1485956;1466458109;asciilifeform;and the number of rack servers you can lease without them is ~0.
1485957;1466458128;mircea_popescu;you can colocate anything you wish.
1485958;1466458133;asciilifeform;the whole pile of shit (yes, including arm) must burn.
1485959;1466458137;mircea_popescu;elbruses even :D
1485960;1466458142;asciilifeform;you can colocate cray. but go source in quantity.
1485961;1466458149;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: try and find one to burn!11
1485962;1466458161;mircea_popescu;myea
1485963;1466458347;trinque;asciilifeform: does ppc have the mysterymeat cores?
1485964;1466458374;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485802 << "casa quantu stai e tirrinu quantu viri". it's a thing.
1485965;1466458374;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richnes
1485966;1466458487;asciilifeform;trinque: ppc has a sole source. ergo ipso facto rubbish.
1485967;1466458498;asciilifeform;(the sole source is ibm)
1485968;1466458523;asciilifeform;recall the specificity-of-diddling threads.
1485969;1466458524;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485814 << because the russians a) don't understand how the world works and b) are antijwzemitic.
1485970;1466458524;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:55 asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in ru prison, this position, once detected, gets you assigned to pederasty immediately.
1485971;1466458538;*;trinque will not fall back to abacus until tmsr-fpga exists
1485972;1466458557;asciilifeform;trinque: how each of us keeps his own 'patient' on life support, is his business
1485973;1466458573;asciilifeform;but fwiw i am against a canonical life support effort for crud that is long past expiration date.
1485974;1466458584;phf;i honestly though thestringpuller was just being tongue-in-cheek  :o
1485975;1466458597;asciilifeform;witness mircea_popescu's reaction to gentoo, for instance
1485976;1466458622;mircea_popescu;yeah, discussion may well continue, but it does altogether not seem likely there's going to be a "chosen respirator"
1485977;1466458629;asciilifeform;aha.
1485978;1466458632;*;trinque nods
1485979;1466458633;phf;mircea_popescu: hmm, i'm not groking that "casa ..." thing
1485980;1466458647;mircea_popescu;phf "a house enough to sit in and land as far as your eye can see"
1485981;1466458656;mircea_popescu;ie, how to split real estate budget.
1485982;1466458740;phf;right, i mean i'm being dense as far as how that maps to the mini rant
1485983;1466458960;mircea_popescu;well, it seems to me to be a very apt summary of the type of pragmatism prevalent here. a sort of "keep horizon maximally open" flavour of pragmatism
1485984;1466459019;mircea_popescu;very different (in the sense of being opposite) to pragmatism as a current in anglosaxon thought. which is more like, "keep all doors and windows shut and only open something once you're sure there's nothing there".
1485985;1466459076;phf;aah, gotcha
1485986;1466459129;mircea_popescu;the false etymology to roman lat vir is particularly endearing.
1485987;1466459187;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: phf does BSDbsdm too!!!
1485988;1466459198;mircea_popescu;ah right
1485989;1466459550;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485818 << and maiden planned to hold thighs tightly closed in case of ravishment.
1485990;1466459550;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 19:18 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB552-US-and-Britain-planned-to-destroy-Middle-East-oil-facilities-in-case-of-Soviet-invasion-from-1940s-1960s
1485991;1466459644;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way i read it, the anglo crews on ~100% of the gear at the time doubled as saboteurs.
1485992;1466459652;asciilifeform;and the hosts were somehow 'not to know this'
1485993;1466459684;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485822 << the missile problem.
1485994;1466459684;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 19:26 asciilifeform: http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/GPS-Interference-NOTAM-For-Southwest-226365-1.html
1485995;1466459725;asciilifeform;waiwut
1485996;1466459727;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, they "didn't know" which is how romania went from an agrarian economy in 1935 to the world's petroengineering superpwoer in 1965.
1485997;1466459775;Bugpowder;Pretty sweet feed of live fire aircraft drops in LA
1485998;1466459777;Bugpowder;http://ktla.com/2016/06/20/brush-fire-breaks-out-along-highway-39-above-azusa/
1485999;1466459897;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lulziest thing is the VERY expensive "business jet" (embraer phenom) that was made by javascript engineers (won't work at all without gps signal).
1486000;1466459937;mircea_popescu;oh wait this is in the logs. darn.
1486001;1466460291;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder 15 acres not such a big deal, considering what california scrub can provide neh ?
1486002;1466460299;Bugpowder;1200 acres
1486003;1466460306;Bugpowder;was 15 acres 2 hours ago.
1486004;1466460312;mircea_popescu;wind huh.
1486005;1466460349;Bugpowder;Not sure about streaming to to wherever you are, but the HD video is pretty amazing.
1486006;1466460360;mircea_popescu;i dun do much video anyway.
1486007;1466460510;Bugpowder;http://imgur.com/xm3JzO6
1486008;1466460592;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, romanian redditards found out that mp was also born there, think that "hey, wtf, i don;'t think it can be him. if it were he would be starting a revolution"
1486009;1466460598;mircea_popescu;logic, sometimes.
1486010;1466460995;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder this is bad for fiatcoin.
1486011;1466461288;Bugpowder;Wind blowing it up mountains not down tho so OK for now…
1486012;1466461578;Bugpowder;Hmm… Now 4 fires started in the last 3 hours in LA…  Arson?
1486013;1466464430;BingoBoingo;Mebbe some ISIS kid in California decided if he went firebug he could get a higher score than if he went an hero?
1486014;1466464465;BingoBoingo;Or mebbe weather is just right for cigarette butts to light the brush today?
1486015;1466464486;BingoBoingo;These are the mysteries of the Los Angeles desert
1486016;1466465471;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1486017;1466465478;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 734.99, vol: 7842.37344265 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 705.761, vol: 6088.93784 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 690.0, vol: 2.00894355 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 749.31896, vol: 41353.25440000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 738.36, vol: 3882.46001864 | Volume-weighted last average: 742.216230316
1486018;1466465559;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1486019;1466465561;gribble;Current Blocks: 417271 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 40 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 hours, 55 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1486020;1466466519;BingoBoingo;$up Monkey14
1486021;1466466529;deedbot;Monkey14 voiced for 30 minutes.
1486022;1466468015;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/6PJKX6.jpg
1486023;1466468317;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4p0314/did_bruno_mars_know_about_the_dao_hack_years/
1486024;1466468515;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/VbL
1486025;1466468515;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1486026;1466468525;BingoBoingo;ty
1486027;1466468929;shinohai;Supposedly this is supposed to be "mermaid parade" looks more "whale pride parade" https://sli.mg/WgVNER
1486028;1466469210;shinohai;gah
1486029;1466469298;mircea_popescu;in fairness marine creatures are supposed to be portly.
1486030;1466469309;mircea_popescu;you want waifs go to the will-o-wisp parade.
1486031;1466469384;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/4msmh7/gps_interference_notam_for_southwest_us/d3y63li << lulz re earlier thread
1486032;1466469413;shinohai;"portly" meaning "wide as port side"?
1486033;1466469426;mircea_popescu;dutch roll ? 3-4 times ? god bless embraer.
1486034;1466469434;asciilifeform;and no glonass fallback.
1486035;1466469445;asciilifeform;'because would need a second signed letter from hitler'
1486036;1466469465;mircea_popescu;shinohai meaning capable of carrying a mule's load.
1486037;1466469477;BingoBoingo;shinohai: substantial links added, but published
1486038;1466469478;asciilifeform;this is a, what, 10, 20 mil, machine ?
1486039;1466469524;mircea_popescu;in the sense a luxury car is "100k" or a cellphone "1500". yeah, right, read the maintenance contracts.
1486040;1466469531;asciilifeform;well yes.
1486041;1466469536;mircea_popescu;it's a "have a hundred slaves" machine.
1486042;1466469542;asciilifeform;like any other airplane.
1486043;1466469545;deedbot;[Qntra] Garza, Stuart Fraser of Cantor Fitzgerald, and GAW Face Class Action Suit In US Court - http://qntra.net/2016/06/garza-stuart-fraser-of-cantor-fitzgerald-and-gaw-face-class-action-suit-in-us-court/
1486044;1466469563;asciilifeform;(we had this thread re jet fighters)
1486045;1466469565;mircea_popescu;well no, cessna is "have a retarded butler and an old maid" sort of machine
1486046;1466469596;mircea_popescu;shinohai BingoBoingo win.
1486047;1466469612;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Editing I forgot an addition necessary
1486048;1466469614;mircea_popescu;iirc it was mentioned in logs mr fraser won't be able to disentangle himself last year
1486049;1466469616;shinohai;>.>
1486050;1466469818;BingoBoingo;Updated with gloating dialed up to 11 http://qntra.net/2016/06/garza-stuart-fraser-of-cantor-fitzgerald-and-gaw-face-class-action-suit-in-us-court/
1486051;1466469860;mircea_popescu;why "anno domini" ?
1486052;1466469884;BingoBoingo;Because 2014 was the year of our lord cazalla
1486053;1466469902;mircea_popescu;lolk.
1486054;1466469975;BingoBoingo;And GAW was the story that cazalla used to hammer Qntra into being a thing that made our asperzoring competitors feel shame
1486055;1466469991;mircea_popescu;this is true yeah
1486056;1466470001;mircea_popescu;he hounded that shit like a champ
1486057;1466470082;BingoBoingo;Cazalla's trolling was Qntra's original and most important SEO campaign
1486058;1466470223;mircea_popescu;it's only trolling if you're not backed by the righteous word of teh lord.
1486059;1466470282;BingoBoingo;No, not trolling in that sense. Trolling as in fishing, as in doing the actual work of SEO.
1486060;1466470310;BingoBoingo;Working the longlines and seeing what bites.
1486061;1466470368;BingoBoingo;Much booze was had in these discussions of actual internet marketing and SEO.
1486062;1466470431;mircea_popescu;is that good for qnt-ra ?
1486063;1466470562;BingoBoingo;Sure. The greatest accomplishment of early Qntra was doing lots while making it look like we weren't doing anything at all. Everything from the site's theme to the tone of that first indictment against GAW was done with this in mind.
1486064;1466470789;BingoBoingo;Without calling GAW jizz moppers in October 2014 who would think to take Qntra seriously on...
1486065;1466470796;BingoBoingo;$google hard fork crisis
1486066;1466470809;BingoBoingo;...
1486067;1466470815;deedbot;http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra | http://www.ofnumbers.com/2015/02/06/what-is-the-blockchain-hard-fork-missile-crisis/ << What is the blockchain hard fork “missile crisis?” | Great Wall of ... | https://medium.com/@bramcohen/bitcoin-s-ironic-crisis-32226a85e39f << Bitcoin's Ironic Crisis — Medium
1486068;1466471018;BingoBoingo;In other news http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/74059
1486069;1466471040;BingoBoingo;"A 34-year-old woman seduces a 15-year-old boy and becomes pregnant. She gives birth to a daughter and thereafter applies for Aid to Families with Dependent Children. Is the child's father obligated to pay child support even though he is a victim of statutory rape? (Pen. Code, ? 261.5, subd. (d).) We conclude he is liable for child support."
1486070;1466471042;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: famous case
1486071;1466471049;BingoBoingo;aha
1486072;1466471049;asciilifeform;dan moscny mentioned it
1486073;1466471053;asciilifeform;*mocsny
1486074;1466471086;mircea_popescu;there's ~no way for slave to avoid slavetax. that's the point of having a) slave and b) slavetax.
1486075;1466471594;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i found it especially entertaining how reddit folk (at least used to) believe the 'if only male birth control pill' thing would make any difference (if such thing existed, 'paternity' would simply get redefined, french style, to accomodate cuckoldry)
1486076;1466471609;asciilifeform;and for all i know this is already in the works, in anglo world
1486077;1466471632;mircea_popescu;i'd expect so.
1486078;1466471656;mircea_popescu;and "marriage" means "living toghether" already anyway, which can mean anything the fuck anyone pleases anyway, so...
1486079;1466471659;asciilifeform;because the other thing about being a slave is that it doesn't come with any guarantee of slavin' by yesterday's rules
1486080;1466471663;asciilifeform;master can set new rules.
1486081;1466471669;mircea_popescu;ftr : communist romania had "bachelor tax".
1486082;1466471681;asciilifeform;usa also has
1486083;1466471688;asciilifeform;it just gets rolled into tax
1486084;1466471691;mircea_popescu;no but that was explicit, paycheck withholding.
1486085;1466471701;mircea_popescu;the cucks bruhaha'd lots and lots an' did nothing about it.
1486086;1466471823;asciilifeform;taxation was not a serious problem in su
1486087;1466471832;asciilifeform;(just like it wasn't for black slaves in american south)
1486088;1466471837;mircea_popescu;money was meaningless throughout the socialist empire, sure.
1486089;1466471840;asciilifeform;aha.
1486090;1466471850;mircea_popescu;but it irked people. you know the poem ?
1486091;1466471857;asciilifeform;which
1486092;1466471916;mircea_popescu;"subsemnatul ion caciula, om al muncii fara pula : de ce sa platesc tribut, daca eu nu pot sa fut ?"
1486093;1466471931;mircea_popescu;"mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
1486094;1466471977;mircea_popescu;(undersigned john hat, workman without a dick : why should i pay the tax when i can't fuck ? warmly esteemed mr john hat, workman without a tool : while you've got your fingers & tongue the law stands.)
1486095;1466471992;asciilifeform;l0l!
1486096;1466472251;mircea_popescu;http://infocoin.net/2016/06/20/autor-del-ataque-del-dao-declara-que-sus-acciones-son-legales/
1486097;1466472266;mircea_popescu;mostly quoted for the epic lulz of "bufete de abogados". which yes, it's how the spanishtards say law firm.
1486098;1466472274;*;asciilifeform falls down
1486099;1466472278;mircea_popescu;imagine the lawyers laid out swedish style.
1486100;1466472300;mircea_popescu;on toothpick stakes, with cheese and pineapple.
1486101;1466472339;asciilifeform;delish.
1486102;1466472372;mircea_popescu;maybe the next sandback da could be named lish somethingortheotherheyinindiaournamesneverend
1486103;1466472377;mircea_popescu;then it could be da lish
1486104;1466473033;mircea_popescu;$s pdaian
1486105;1466473033;a111;1 results for "pdaian", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=pdaian
1486106;1466473079;mircea_popescu;https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/ << the guy has correctly identified ~a~ 2nd vulnerability there.
1486107;1466473108;mod6;dear load that chinese food was rancid
1486108;1466473119;mircea_popescu;"Solidity" is one of the most aptly named piles of rubbish for purposes of unintentional irony self-crits
1486109;1466473122;mod6;*lord
1486110;1466473133;mod6;How goes it?
1486111;1466473149;mircea_popescu;not bad mod6
1486112;1466473159;mircea_popescu;duck empanadas were so-so
1486113;1466473171;mod6;that sounds /way/ better, Sir.
1486114;1466473297;mod6;<+asciilifeform> 'you have died of death' << lol
1486115;1466473409;mod6;this eth implosion has kept the lulztrain running
1486116;1466473733;mod6;Framedragger: hey, thanks for all your work with the SSH keys.
1486117;1466474807;deedbot;[Qntra] China Solidifies Presence In Airstrip Two's Media - http://qntra.net/2016/06/china-solidifies-presence-in-airstrip-twos-media/
1486118;1466475087;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo negotiated a deal
1486119;1466475620;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd
1486120;1466481074;thestringpuller;when is the dao attacker gonna cause more drama. today has been boooring.
1486121;1466481083;thestringpuller;start bribing miners already.
1486122;1466481312;phf;trinque: ping
1486123;1466481960;trinque;No route to host.
1486124;1466481971;trinque;1sec
1486125;1466482157;trinque;phf: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/80f816c5-a6cb-47c2-822c-05dc51e5462c/
1486126;1466482587;phf;trinque: so i take it person/rating is what i'm looking at?
1486127;1466482620;trinque;yep
1486128;1466482650;trinque;soon as I get to it, rating's going to get switched to foreign keys; I'll warn you first
1486129;1466482661;trinque;as it stands, it's using indexed unique fields
1486130;1466482678;trinque;and the other change that'll affect you is I'm moving it to another box, will let you know of that too
1486131;1466484775;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The case for an AR-15 under every pillow. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/20/the-case-for-an-ar-15-under-every-pillow/
1486132;1466485756;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/20/the-case-for-an-ar-15-under-every-pillow/#comment-47639
1486133;1466485762;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1486134;1466485768;trinque;hell, that sig sauer of recent fame seems like a great gun
1486135;1466485798;thestringpuller;trinque: is there no read-only api for deedbot like there was assbot?
1486136;1466485816;phf;trinque: perhaps having from and to be fk with constraints is also a good idea
1486137;1466485828;trinque;yeh that's what I said
1486138;1466485833;phf;ah
1486139;1466485881;phf;TomServo in person, but tomservo in to_nick ...
1486140;1466485919;trinque;I'm querying all of it with lower()
1486141;1466485948;phf;it is because you hate freedom
1486142;1466486011;trinque;I don't feel alive unless I'm rolling around in broken glass
1486143;1466486029;phf;i wonder if there are hidden implications to making all nicks case insensitive for /log/
1486144;1466486087;trinque;I think TomServo's the only one like that; I could just fix it
1486145;1466486101;trinque;had a moment of "dear fucking god, IRC is case insensitive" after he complained
1486146;1466486111;trinque;then realized I had to go back through and add lower() to the queries
1486147;1466486124;phf;i have one (get-nick ...)
1486148;1466486127;trinque;at which point fixing the caps didn't matter
1486149;1466486273;trinque;thing is even if I change the schema I'll probably replace rating with a view of same structure
1486150;1466486294;trinque;that way you don't have to keep track of my schema changes
1486151;1466486366;trinque;the wot db I got was already all lower iirc, so I have no idea what the capitalization of nicks was originally
1486152;1466486459;trinque;thestringpuller: what kind of API
1486153;1466486684;phf;entire wot takes 9.9mb in memory, full refresh takes 15s with an ssh hop, 5s of which is cpu time
1486154;1466486873;phf;actually i don't think that's right
1486155;1466487057;phf;ok this time around it took 9.1s, 5s of cpu time (so that was correct). but entire wot takes 4.1mb (i forgot to gc at some point)
1486156;1466487128;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1486157;1466487134;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 707.93, vol: 12989.99997798 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 685.371, vol: 8376.00173 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 707.26, vol: 52315.92668033 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 665.0, vol: 3.34134792 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 721.56528, vol: 55915.67260000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 708.0, vol: 5395.59319057 | Volume-weighted last average: 711.920133552
1486158;1466487660;deedbot;[Qntra] Network Difficulty Up 6.83% As Halving Looms - http://qntra.net/2016/06/network-difficulty-up-6-83-as-halving-looms/
1486159;1466488032;phf;entire wot as one giant s-expression, for people who are into that sort of shit, http://btcbase.org/tmp/wot.sexp (9.5MB)
1486160;1466488166;BingoBoingo;ty phf
1486161;1466488206;phf;BingoBoingo: so far entirely useless :)
1486162;1466488245;BingoBoingo;So far!
1486163;1466488892;trinque;o look, bitfinex is back on
1486164;1466489195;BingoBoingo;;;ticker
1486165;1466489196;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 706.0, Best ask: 706.04, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 706.04, 24 hour volume: 52974.9952276, 24 hour low: 675.5, 24 hour high: 767.77, 24 hour vwap: None
1486166;1466489754;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitfinex Fucks Up - http://qntra.net/2016/06/bitfinex-fucks-up/
1486167;1466491000;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/SuV21 << I WHANT TO GET HIRED
1486168;1466496014;BingoBoingo;https://sli.mg/a/QGmJtJ
1486169;1466496033;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/sF5qXw.jpg
1486170;1466500166;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485802 << well argumented, thanks
1486171;1466500166;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:49 phf: Framedragger: despite the rhetoric people here are extremely pragmatic. but when you think about these things there's no reason to allow sloppy thinking. the question is "how much of a dick up your ass is too much dick", and the healthy answer is "none at all". llvm is good technology (it gives you same kind of layering that a decent common lisp compiler does, but for languages that are not used to that kind of richnes
1486172;1466500211;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485808 << indeed, release summaries can be deceiving this way i suppose - i see what you mean. i haven't looked at the big picture / general decisions, but i can understand this viewpoint for sure
1486173;1466500211;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 18:52 phf: you might not notice it, because you look at it from the perspective of release summaries and hacker news posts, but the kind of decisions that go into llvm are ~entirely~ driven by large corporate with large teams and large hardware needs. it's synergistic.
1486174;1466500316;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485895 << heh - incidentally i may be busier afk these days
1486175;1466500316;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 20:39 mircea_popescu: anyway, normally i'd have just let you do the conversion locally, but since Framedragger is such an impetuous youth, we're moving fast for once :D
1486176;1466500369;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485926 << tru.
1486177;1466500369;a111;Logged on 2016-06-20 20:55 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-20#1485755 <<< in fairness you ask / make very abstract questions / statements.
1486178;1466500404;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486116 << mah pleasure
1486179;1466500404;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 01:48 mod6: Framedragger: hey, thanks for all your work with the SSH keys.
1486180;1466512377;mircea_popescu;;;later tell tfoxbrewster certainly not at seven in the morning.
1486181;1466512377;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1486182;1466513112;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486141 <<< ok that was pretty good :D
1486183;1466513112;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 05:12 phf: it is because you hate freedom
1486184;1466513152;thestringpuller;oh look ether huffers ddosing trilema
1486185;1466513164;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486149 << honestly, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason for rating system to distinguish MP from mP. there is no legitimate reason for two different individuals to be this close ; nor is such nonsense supported. in fact, your scheme should not even permit m1rcea and mircea to be distinct.
1486186;1466513164;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 05:17 trinque: thing is even if I change the schema I'll probably replace rating with a view of same structure
1486187;1466513223;mircea_popescu;honestly, i'd be in favour of "just replace all 1 with i and all I with l and take out all non-alphabetic characters". MIRCEA MLRCEA M1RCEA MI_R-CEA > MIRCEA and fuck them.
1486188;1466513517;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486155 << this incidentally is a very interesting measure. i'm curious when wot becomes larger than blockchain for instance.
1486189;1466513517;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 05:30 phf: ok this time around it took 9.1s, 5s of cpu time (so that was correct). but entire wot takes 4.1mb (i forgot to gc at some point)
1486190;1466513594;mircea_popescu;(seems to me unavoidable, 1bn (atomic) txn ~= 100gb, yet 1bn people that know half a dunbar's number worth of others ~= 100 Gb * however much each record takes.)
1486191;1466513627;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486159 << epic!
1486192;1466513627;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 05:47 phf: entire wot as one giant s-expression, for people who are into that sort of shit, http://btcbase.org/tmp/wot.sexp (9.5MB)
1486193;1466515640;mircea_popescu;phf feature request : can log search have a parameter indicating how many later references are needed for line to qualify ?
1486194;1466518970;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486188 << quite likely never, we will have gossipd and dispense with the lunacy of centralized wot before then.
1486195;1466518970;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 12:51 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486155 << this incidentally is a very interesting measure. i'm curious when wot becomes larger than blockchain for instance.
1486196;1466519180;mircea_popescu;there is that.
1486197;1466519187;mircea_popescu;$up tfoxbrewster
1486198;1466519196;deedbot;tfoxbrewster voiced for 30 minutes.
1486199;1466519202;mircea_popescu;lol deedbot wheels spin audibly.
1486200;1466519208;mircea_popescu;tfoxbrewster you the forbes guy ?
1486201;1466519355;tfoxbrewster;i am
1486202;1466519413;mircea_popescu;how goes ?
1486203;1466519741;tfoxbrewster;all good.
1486204;1466519750;tfoxbrewster;you?
1486205;1466519771;mircea_popescu;fine. so did you want to ask some questions ?
1486206;1466519885;tfoxbrewster;yes. the Ethereum guys are suggesting that the claim you took the ether - http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/#selection-27.210-27.224 - is untrue.
1486207;1466519893;tfoxbrewster;Their comment: "The message claims to contain a cryptographic signature in the last line. ECDSA signatures of the sort used by Ethereum are 65 bytes (130 hexadecimal digits) long, and end with '00' or '01'. The number at the end of his message is the right length, but ends with '20', making it an invalid signature.
1486208;1466519893;tfoxbrewster;If the attacker wrote the message, there would be no reason for him not to provide a valid signature. If the message were written by an impostor, on the other hand, they'd be unable to generate a valid signature, and would have reason to make their message more convincing by adding a fraudulent one.
1486209;1466519893;tfoxbrewster;For that reason, I'm certain that the message is a fraud, written by someone who wants to stir up trouble in the community."
1486210;1466519900;tfoxbrewster;Thoughts on that?
1486211;1466519983;mircea_popescu;tfoxbrewster well, you familiar with the satoshi/hoaxtoshi communications this year ?
1486212;1466519997;mircea_popescu;because this isn't a single item, it's a third in a trifecta.
1486213;1466520099;tfoxbrewster;i am indeed. explain the trifecta/
1486214;1466520100;tfoxbrewster;?
1486215;1466520142;mircea_popescu;well, at first there was http://trilema.com/2015/the-news-in-brief-hearn-is-a-shitstain-mp-is-right-fuck-reddit-love-satoshi/
1486216;1466520170;mircea_popescu;now, the usg assets in bitcoin (gavin & all) didn't like this, and whined about the signature. so i said : swear it ain't so. in writing. they... didn't.
1486217;1466520196;mircea_popescu;then there was the whole craig whatever incident. where the usg assets in bitcoin (gavin & all) swore as to the authenticity of a gross fake.
1486218;1466520273;mircea_popescu;the difference between those two and this third is instructive and important : in those instances, the usg was trying to spin a narrative that'd allow it to claim it's still alive and relevant, in front of proof to the contrary from ~already established accounts~. ie, satoshi.
1486219;1466520314;mircea_popescu;here, there's no historical establishment. the guy lives through his deeds not through a lengthy, boring story about "hey listen, back in 1920 carnegie and j p morgan were pretty cool so we should still be getting free petrocheese and chinese plastics for this reason".
1486220;1466520464;mircea_popescu;in other words : signatures there were retrospective, attempting to build a historical chain. "this x is that x which you respect so respect this".
1486221;1466520480;mircea_popescu;the signature here however is prospective. "this is a signature you don't know what to do with. at some later point, maybe you will."
1486222;1466520523;mircea_popescu;$up iKant
1486223;1466520524;deedbot;iKant voiced for 30 minutes.
1486224;1466520536;mircea_popescu;are you an apple product ?
1486225;1466520623;iKant;:) more on the line of the German Philosopher with a nod to the vogue of the single letter prefix
1486226;1466520638;mircea_popescu;i see.
1486227;1466520791;mircea_popescu;incidentally tfoxbrewster : go $register <your full fingerprint>, then the bot will register you and i'll rate you and then you can self-voice.
1486228;1466521030;mircea_popescu;heh.
1486229;1466521033;mircea_popescu;$up tfoxbrewster
1486230;1466521033;deedbot;tfoxbrewster voiced for 30 minutes.
1486231;1466521156;tfoxbrewster;interesting - i have to head off, but I'ld like to continue this conversation tomorrow if possible?
1486232;1466521186;mircea_popescu;sure.
1486233;1466521285;mircea_popescu;lol @bitfinex. fortunately article is already written, from last time. http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/
1486234;1466521307;mircea_popescu; broomstick eventually becomes machine gun of lulz.
1486235;1466522548;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : wordpress interface dies if one tries to publish a 10mb text article with "unknown error". apparently this has never happened before.
1486236;1466522628;mircea_popescu;if the item in question is uploaded via ssh-mysql directly,  phpmyadmin (common mysql interface) dies when trying to say "edit" the column, and wordpress itself fails to pipe the content to apache.
1486237;1466522635;mircea_popescu;oy vey.
1486238;1466522686;mircea_popescu;they have pages worth 20 to 100 mb worth of shitty gifs, but can't display 10mb of a god damned s expression.
1486239;1466523174;mircea_popescu;phf ew uppercase
1486240;1466523185;phf;yeah, i noticed
1486241;1466523222;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486143
1486242;1466523222;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 05:13 PHF: i wonder if there are hidden implications to making all nicks case insensitive for /log/
1486243;1466523373;mircea_popescu;phf you really should make a blog! but meanwhile : http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subset-of-which-what-youre-currently-doing-probably-is-a-subset/
1486244;1466523795;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: couuuld be max file upload limit set in php.ini or in webserver? but i guess could also just be wordpress / typical php app shit..
1486245;1466523879;mircea_popescu;for which part ? at no point is a FILE being manipulated here.
1486246;1466523893;Framedragger;ah yeah, i probably meant POST request
1486247;1466523894;mircea_popescu;but yes i'm sure there's "a limit" put in there by people who don't belong touching computers.
1486248;1466523946;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: post_max_size  in php.ini, apparently set to 2M by default?
1486249;1466523979;Framedragger;it seems that you can modify it in .htaccess with php_value post_max_size 20M
1486250;1466523981;Framedragger;such joy
1486251;1466524014;mircea_popescu;Framedragger that may explain the part where the first part fails, i guess. but not the 2nd part. both php items (wp, phpmyadmin) should be able to list a 10mb sql record.
1486252;1466524028;mircea_popescu;Framedragger notice the interlocking magic numbers of shit!
1486253;1466524039;Framedragger;heh yeah, if no POST involved in phpmyadmin reply, and there shouldn't. lol.
1486254;1466524049;Framedragger;2M should be enuf for everyone
1486255;1466524093;mircea_popescu;nyway bll
1486256;1466526347;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486243 << neato
1486257;1466526348;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 15:36 mircea_popescu: phf you really should make a blog! but meanwhile : http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subset-of-which-what-youre-currently-doing-probably-is-a-subset/
1486258;1466526384;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486238 << i learned this earlier, with phuctor's 'braindamaged keys' page.
1486259;1466526384;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 15:24 mircea_popescu: they have pages worth 20 to 100 mb worth of shitty gifs, but can't display 10mb of a god damned s expression.
1486260;1466526392;asciilifeform;many browsers will barf.
1486261;1466526419;asciilifeform;100MB lolcatz is a-ok; 1MB text - crapple, etc. sputter, cough.
1486262;1466526659;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subset-of-which-what-youre-currently-doing-probably-is-a-subset/#comment-117676
1486263;1466526659;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1486264;1466528545;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486193 << i added refs:number, see if that's what you're looking for
1486265;1466528545;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 13:27 mircea_popescu: phf feature request : can log search have a parameter indicating how many later references are needed for line to qualify ?
1486266;1466528559;phf;$s from:mircea refs:5
1486267;1466528559;a111;2 results for "from:mircea refs:5", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20refs%3A5
1486268;1466528588;asciilifeform;very neat
1486269;1466529278;trinque;$up tfoxbrewster
1486270;1466529281;deedbot;tfoxbrewster voiced for 30 minutes.
1486271;1466529654;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> lol @bitfinex. fortunately article is already written, from last time. http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ << ty, fxd qntra buttfunex piece
1486272;1466529702;trinque;every time they turn it back on price starts to recover
1486273;1466529708;trinque;I expect they'll turn it back off soon :p
1486274;1466529741;BingoBoingo;Or it turns self off with the empty switch?
1486275;1466530350;mircea_popescu;lh
1486276;1466530367;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486264 << it is! splendid!
1486277;1466530367;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 17:02 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486193 << i added refs:number, see if that's what you're looking for
1486278;1466530515;asciilifeform;http://pastebin.com/9MRVDC9h << lel already chumpatronic
1486279;1466530613;asciilifeform;EAFB68E1A320C9DC << not actually public anywhere. mega-unsurprise.
1486280;1466530701;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486200 << wasn't mircea_popescu suing forbes for plagiarism a while back ?
1486281;1466530701;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 14:26 mircea_popescu: tfoxbrewster you the forbes guy ?
1486282;1466530810;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eh, let's not read too much into these things. nobody in the dinousaur world has anything even remotely like stable employment, let alone any sort of relationships or whatever.
1486283;1466530827;mircea_popescu;they just like to claim association with what they like to imagine impresses us ; we humor them.
1486284;1466530919;mircea_popescu;for asciilifeform 's own amusement : gnupg.org/aaegypten2/
1486285;1466531080;asciilifeform;404
1486286;1466531119;asciilifeform;and archived nowhere
1486287;1466531140;asciilifeform;wtf was it ?
1486288;1466531209;mircea_popescu;uh
1486289;1466531248;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/j2rgA
1486290;1466531276;asciilifeform;ah the shitcard
1486291;1466531278;asciilifeform;old nyooz
1486292;1466531284;mircea_popescu;decade old, new again!
1486293;1466531296;asciilifeform;but wtf with the unitard ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ!111111111
1486294;1466531334;asciilifeform;we have a word for this:
1486295;1466531336;asciilifeform;бНОПНЯ.
1486296;1466531364;asciilifeform;( http://lurkmore.to/%D0%91%D0%9D%D0%9E%D0%9F%D0%9D%D0%AF << for the curious. )
1486297;1466531755;mircea_popescu;bNOPNYa!
1486298;1466531760;asciilifeform;aha.
1486299;1466531901;mircea_popescu;<ICEbЕrg> ПХГМЮБЮИРЕЯЭ ЙРН Б лЯЙ, ОНДЛНЯЙНБЭЕ Х оХРЕПЕ НАХРЮЕР?
1486300;1466531901;mircea_popescu;<Ishamael[eager]> сам ты нахрюер
1486301;1466531920;mircea_popescu;made me laughcough
1486302;1466531943;asciilifeform;i bet at least part of that is valid kazakh.
1486303;1466531947;mircea_popescu;hahahahaa
1486304;1466531972;mircea_popescu;oh my hod.
1486305;1466531981;asciilifeform;http://static.oper.ru/data/gallery/l1048753163.jpg << see also.
1486306;1466532087;asciilifeform;and of course http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/jnike_07/14227766/278045/278045_original.jpg .
1486307;1466532197;asciilifeform;btw does 'forbes' ~always~ log in via 'hidemyass.com' ?
1486308;1466532210;asciilifeform;or only when moon is full.
1486309;1466532227;mircea_popescu;well, when interviewing hackers it is polite to assume the trappings.
1486310;1466532243;asciilifeform;i thought the trappings were robe and wizard hat.
1486311;1466532245;mircea_popescu;when i was fucking arab girls i insisted they wear the underwear on head rather than ass, to pacify local sentiments.
1486312;1466532257;asciilifeform;$up tfoxbrewster
1486313;1466532260;deedbot;tfoxbrewster voiced for 30 minutes.
1486314;1466532311;mircea_popescu;lol o'zbekiston
1486315;1466532347;asciilifeform;'kazahstan's prostitutes! cleanest in the region! except of course those of ! uuuuzbekistaaaaaan!!1111' (tm) (r) ('borat')
1486316;1466532440;asciilifeform;fella is on a gas modem or wat.
1486317;1466532448;mircea_popescu;why are you so excited anyway
1486318;1466532466;asciilifeform;not so much excited as waiting for a compile.
1486319;1466532509;mircea_popescu;when you wait for a compile, the compile waits for you!
1486320;1466534001;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats
1486321;1466534003;gribble;Current Blocks: 417390 | Current Difficulty: 2.0945315859538098E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 419327 | Next Difficulty In: 1937 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 13 hours, 52 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
1486322;1466534010;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
1486323;1466534017;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 4392.92, vol: 79999.17900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 4392.92
1486324;1466534035;BingoBoingo;Oh, so close to being a nice round volume
1486325;1466534367;BingoBoingo;$up DaoSancho
1486326;1466534376;deedbot;DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
1486327;1466535093;BingoBoingo;Oh it looks like Forbes hooked a higher quality of kid than they usually do.
1486328;1466536678;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/06/corn-futures-fall-on-possibility-of-further-supply-glut/
1486329;1466536686;BingoBoingo;http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/
1486330;1466536842;deedbot;[Trilema] The longest S-expression in the history of Lisp (of which Computing Science is a subset, of which "Information Technology" is a subset, of which what you''re currently doing probably is a subset - a circumstance which does not plead in favour of your intelligence, or for that matter moral values) - http://trilema.com/2016/the-longest-s-expression-in-the-history-of-lisp-of-which-computing-science-is-a-subset-of-which-information-technology-is-a-subs
1486331;1466536842;deedbot;[Trilema] Pizdi - http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/
1486332;1466536842;deedbot;[Qntra] Corn Futures Fall On Possibility Of Further Supply Glut - http://qntra.net/2016/06/corn-futures-fall-on-possibility-of-further-supply-glut/
1486333;1466536985;trinque;caught me messing with it
1486334;1466537002;BingoBoingo;aha
1486335;1466537004;BingoBoingo;https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/745336274756698112
1486336;1466537019;trinque;new deedbot box is up and works. I'll be swapping over to that one later
1486337;1466537022;trinque;way faster
1486338;1466537065;BingoBoingo;Sweet ty trinque
1486339;1466537259;BingoBoingo;$up tfoxbrewster
1486340;1466537272;deedbot;tfoxbrewster voiced for 30 minutes.
1486341;1466537296;BingoBoingo;tfoxbrewster: Feel free to catch up on thigs you miss while away http://btcbase.org/log/
1486342;1466537828;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486343;1466537829;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486344;1466537848;ascii_deadfiber;ty BingoBoingo
1486345;1466537854;ascii_deadfiber;the name sayz it all, tho.
1486346;1466537861;BingoBoingo;Aha, so merely having fiber doesn't mean you don't live in the heart of Dindustan
1486347;1466537867;ascii_deadfiber;zoolag down until the pole climbers get here.
1486348;1466537874;ascii_deadfiber;tomorrow at the earliest.
1486349;1466537931;ascii_deadfiber;BingoBoingo: just like mains current
1486350;1466537947;BingoBoingo;But seriously, repair schedule is tomorrow?
1486351;1466537961;ascii_deadfiber;aha, today's booked apparently.
1486352;1466537975;ascii_deadfiber;i don't pay enough for guaranteed-same-day.
1486353;1466537979;ascii_deadfiber;(it is ~10x moar)
1486354;1466537996;BingoBoingo;Or you live in Zimbabwe!
1486355;1466538003;ascii_deadfiber;that goes without saying.
1486356;1466538016;BingoBoingo;Sameday pole climbing is standard here, derecho's excepted
1486357;1466538094;BingoBoingo;Tornado is still usually same day service though.
1486358;1466538105;ascii_deadfiber;what's on BingoBoingo's pole though ? gas modem line ?
1486359;1466538114;BingoBoingo;Of course
1486360;1466538118;ascii_deadfiber;so then.
1486361;1466538139;ascii_deadfiber;comparing the warm and the soft, aren't we now.
1486362;1466538142;BingoBoingo;IP over Compressed natural gas is all the rage ehre
1486363;1466538174;ascii_deadfiber;btw i noticed that all new gas lines where i live are flexible hose instead of the customary cast iron pipe
1486364;1466538177;BingoBoingo;But seriously now we've got fiber. Pretty sure we've been over this before.
1486365;1466538189;ascii_deadfiber;which inevitably provokes the question: when can i expect to see gas pipe on poles !!
1486366;1466538198;ascii_deadfiber;it is possible now!111111
1486367;1466538200;BingoBoingo;Got fiber, cable company electric, and POTS
1486368;1466538203;BingoBoingo;lol
1486369;1466538233;ascii_deadfiber;srsly there was a gas leak on my street last year and they dug up half of it and put in the hose in place of pipe.
1486370;1466538249;BingoBoingo;wow
1486371;1466538260;ascii_deadfiber;some weirdo (dupont?) corrugated-steel-and-rubber thing.
1486372;1466538317;BingoBoingo;Apparently your gas is allowed to leak, but when we have some idiot tear up a pressurized line with backhow somehow Middle west is Zimbabwe while James Lafond presents alf in the hood is pocket of civilization
1486373;1466538346;ascii_deadfiber;i dun think they have 'civilization' in this continent, BingoBoingo
1486374;1466538350;BingoBoingo;for srs all these roflcopters
1486375;1466538379;BingoBoingo;Well that's why they call it camping!
1486376;1466538391;ascii_deadfiber;also iirc the midwest was lulzy because the whole street caught fire
1486377;1466538403;ascii_deadfiber;so far we don't have this here (yet.)
1486378;1466538460;BingoBoingo;Nah whole street evacuated when construction site caught fire. That particular street is about 20 ish miles long, maybe 30 ish
1486379;1466538478;BingoBoingo;Well, 5 mile section of street evactuated
1486380;1466538501;BingoBoingo;But accidents happen when you gotta build moar nursing homes
1486381;1466538563;ascii_deadfiber;incidentally i have a prediction
1486382;1466538584;ascii_deadfiber;that the buildout of old folks homes etc will be re-used as психушкаs when the generation currently occupying them expires
1486383;1466538639;BingoBoingo;But do  психушкаs appartments typically have balconies like new-old folks homes?
1486384;1466538654;ascii_deadfiber;nah
1486385;1466538665;ascii_deadfiber;escape risk.
1486386;1466538721;BingoBoingo;So it will be the old-old folks homes converted to психушкаs
1486387;1466538731;BingoBoingo;New ones all have balconies and fountains and shit
1486388;1466538798;BingoBoingo;In other news apparently another soft fork no one has a srs use case for was "voted" in by miners
1486389;1466538856;ascii_deadfiber;waiwut
1486390;1466538903;BingoBoingo;"Check Sequence Verify" some Peter Toddatronic thing
1486391;1466538943;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/a2xnO
1486392;1466538993;BingoBoingo;Described in mines as "checksequenceverify (CSV) is a group of 3 BIPs that will enable relative time locks. This will let you lock money for a predetermined period after your transaction confirms. The time can be a time measured in multiples of 512 seconds or a block count."
1486393;1466539036;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920116 << see also.
1486394;1466539036;a111;Logged on 2014-11-13 19:06 asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
1486395;1466539054;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-13#920112 etc.
1486396;1466539055;a111;Logged on 2014-11-13 19:04 asciilifeform admits that he suspects bip64 of being a plot to create usg-like bonds in btc. folks will be asked to trace X proper btc for X+epsilon 'locked' ones that are to land back in their pocket 'in the future', should they live long enough, but are actually recovable 'because this is how the world works'
1486397;1466539122;BingoBoingo;yes, but jam today lulz tomorrow
1486398;1466539144;ascii_deadfiber;and, guess what:
1486399;1466539151;ascii_deadfiber;'Despite this limitation, we do have a way to provide something functionally similar to retroactive invalidation while preserving irreversibility of past commitments using CHECKSEQUENCEVERIFY. By constructing scripts with multiple branches of execution where one or more of the branches are delayed we provide a time window in which someone can supply an invalidation condition that allows the output to be spent, effectively inva
1486400;1466539172;ascii_deadfiber;( https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0112.mediawiki )
1486401;1466539184;ascii_deadfiber;the one thing i'm failing to grasp is how this is a 'soft' fork
1486402;1466539202;ascii_deadfiber;what's to stop a miner from pissing all over the 'lock'
1486403;1466539211;BingoBoingo;Because affected addresses start with "3"
1486404;1466539257;BingoBoingo;And only hopes and dreams stop miner from pissing
1486405;1466539274;BingoBoingo;Very likely miner pisses on this one
1486406;1466539277;ascii_deadfiber;where in the bip does it say this ?
1486407;1466539278;BingoBoingo;$up vc
1486408;1466539280;ascii_deadfiber;re 'starts with 3'
1486409;1466539285;deedbot;vc voiced for 30 minutes.
1486410;1466539309;BingoBoingo;ascii_deadfiber: It's their new convention. I'm assuming, could be wrong but this is how the last Toddatronic turd went
1486411;1466539324;ascii_deadfiber;where, if anywhere, is this described ?
1486412;1466539333;ascii_deadfiber;or did todd whisper it to BingoBoingo's ear personally
1486413;1466539373;BingoBoingo;ascii_deadfiber: Address starts with 3 has been the convention for pederastry ever since multisig happened
1486414;1466539411;ascii_deadfiber;i don't grasp how 'this tx is valid if $offchainsoup condition is true' is a 'soft' fork.
1486415;1466539427;ascii_deadfiber;it necessarily forks the chain
1486416;1466539438;ascii_deadfiber;into folks who see 'valid' and folks who see soup.
1486417;1466539626;BingoBoingo;It's soft because they say so. If you want them to admit that it is hard you have to knock on Peter Todd's door naked and holding a sock full of quarters
1486418;1466539715;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486419;1466539716;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486420;1466539729;ascii_deadfiber;BingoBoingo: only mircea_popescu has the correct pill for hardphorkerz.
1486421;1466539788;ascii_deadfiber;(as described in http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol and elsewhere.)
1486422;1466539837;BingoBoingo;Or you could start showing up to their homes and beating them with a sock full of quarters.
1486423;1466539869;ascii_deadfiber;the transparent ploy behind the 'soft forks' and related crapolade is to try to siphon btc into corners from which it can no longer be removed with a trb node.
1486424;1466539879;ascii_deadfiber;and, more generally, 'embrace & extinguish.'
1486425;1466540680;*;ascii_deadfiber bbl.
1486426;1466541682;thestringpuller;now recruiters are trying to solicit me on IRC now
1486427;1466541683;thestringpuller;awesome
1486428;1466542058;BingoBoingo;Oh recruiters for where?
1486429;1466542532;thestringpuller;My contact info on linkedin is: "Find me, under nick thestringpuller, in #trilema on Freenode. If you don't know how to use IRC, I more than likely don't want to work for you."
1486430;1466542565;thestringpuller;its usually to cut down on spam, as I won't respond to recruiter inquiries unless they show up on IRC
1486431;1466542578;thestringpuller;one finally did and didn't know how to use a bouncer so I can't hit him back.
1486432;1466543076;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/06/bitfinex-fucks-up/#comment-62166
1486433;1466544163;mircea_popescu;in other superlulz, Emin Gün Sirer : "If the ETH community bails out the DAO (and I believe they should), we need to put in place a social wall around Slockit to avoid a repeat."
1486434;1466544172;mircea_popescu;who is this goatfucker anyway ?
1486435;1466544248;shinohai;Not defending eth, but how is it their fault slock.it built shitty code on top of already shitty platform?
1486436;1466544321;thestringpuller;shinohai: cause they had a security audit done and still hacked.
1486437;1466544380;thestringpuller;also Stephen Tual has been driven out of the Ehtereum coomoonity. He's getting death threats now much like Karpeles was.
1486438;1466544422;mircea_popescu;shinohai i linked a pretty good piece yest, it's not JUST slock.it that are derps, the whole stack's rotten all the way down.
1486439;1466544434;shinohai;What a faggot.
1486440;1466544480;mircea_popescu;o look, he even approved my comment!
1486441;1466544483;thestringpuller;i love the whole Lando Calrissian style, "IT'S NOT MY FAULT. THEY TOLD ME THEY FIXED IT." bullshit
1486442;1466544564;mircea_popescu;https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/#comment-16 << lol, 16th comment. so guy made his blog because he hopes to rescue the shitcoin
1486443;1466544571;shinohai;I just noticed the slock.it dress code must be shitty thrift-store suit jackets and a tshirt.
1486444;1466544585;mircea_popescu;anywya, shinohai : look for the part that says "even if coded using best practices and following the language documentation exactly, would have remained vulnerable to attack"
1486445;1466544631;thestringpuller;"For the other thing, rape’s no fun if the meat’s not at the very least squiggling" from what the hacker released he wants this for when he goes on the offensive again. if that happens.
1486446;1466544654;thestringpuller;he claims he wants to bribe the miners to not fork with the stolen funds
1486447;1466544688;thestringpuller;so its a race to freeze the dao or buterin and slock.it are at war with someone smarter than them
1486448;1466544728;shinohai;of course they are.
1486449;1466544759;thestringpuller;LULZ: https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/#comment-17
1486450;1466544766;mircea_popescu;in general whenever you hear an animal screaming bloody murder, what happens is, that animal is being "at war" with something that you know, lives off eating them
1486451;1466544773;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486452;1466544777;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486453;1466544830;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu playin' with his food again ain'the.
1486454;1466544848;mircea_popescu;we're just discussing hypothecarily.
1486455;1466544850;BingoBoingo;nice thestringpuller
1486456;1466544852;mircea_popescu;i mean hypocritically.
1486457;1466544867;mircea_popescu;no wait. that's not it either. maybe funkenstein could help an illiterate guy out! what word am i looking for!
1486458;1466544884;mircea_popescu;hypotenuse!
1486459;1466544904;ascii_deadfiber;hyperborea.
1486460;1466544958;BingoBoingo;Hippothecary
1486461;1466544979;mircea_popescu;hymen imperformancius
1486462;1466545178;BingoBoingo;Rise great inca https://i.imgur.com/GexcTlG.gif
1486463;1466545235;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/lgcRx2X.jpg
1486464;1466545251;ascii_deadfiber;holy fuk BingoBoingo
1486465;1466545266;BingoBoingo;Straight out of MIT
1486466;1466545279;BingoBoingo;The inca rises with its ether
1486467;1466545320;mircea_popescu;it's a fat woman isn't it.
1486468;1466545341;mircea_popescu;o look, it's that thing from diablo.
1486469;1466545404;BingoBoingo;It is Buterin's Inca
1486470;1466545511;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> who is this goatfucker anyway ? << Cornel Professor apparently collaborates with the AR-15 printing kid
1486471;1466545555;mircea_popescu;oh another one of those can't light a lighbulb technologists ? color me in the nuance of very surprised surprise.
1486472;1466545630;ascii_deadfiber;btw is anyone ever gonna explain the popularity of the 'direct impingement' crapolade ?
1486473;1466545639;ascii_deadfiber;in the american shitrifle
1486474;1466545668;BingoBoingo;Wears faster when dust so more parts and new ones get sold
1486475;1466545674;ascii_deadfiber;pete_dushenski in particular, wrote lengthy praise of it, but if i had to guess i would doubt that he ever fired it
1486476;1466545679;ascii_deadfiber;or cleaned.
1486477;1466545680;*;phf got his daily does of bb
1486478;1466545697;ascii_deadfiber;phf: my condolences!111 (tm) (r) (brin)
1486479;1466546571;mats;i'd like to try an ar15 with piston system
1486480;1466546777;mats;i usually found myself cleaning the weapon after putting out 200-250 rounds or so
1486481;1466546804;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486482;1466546811;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486483;1466546816;BingoBoingo;mats: I think H&K makes one of those
1486484;1466546817;mats;i mean, in general you should always clean after firing
1486485;1466546825;mats;the things are just awful in terms of reliability
1486486;1466546841;ascii_deadfiber;mats: not only clean, but, for instance, ~not~ with piss
1486487;1466546860;mats;?
1486488;1466546878;ascii_deadfiber;kalash is quite cleanable with, e.g., rope soaked in piss
1486489;1466547128;ascii_deadfiber;mats: ar is quintessentially american (in the worst sense) device. consider even the fact of aluminum receiver, alone !
1486490;1466547434;mats;a clean ar, when properly cleaned and lubricated, malfunctions once or twice in 250 rounds when used with polymer magazine
1486491;1466547446;ascii_deadfiber;clean one?!
1486492;1466547449;ascii_deadfiber;l0l!
1486493;1466547502;mats;on the other hand, some folks report seeing no malfunctions for ~30k rounds so...
1486494;1466547519;ascii_deadfiber;and the other folks don't report, because dead..?
1486495;1466547527;ascii_deadfiber;worx great!1111111
1486496;1466547552;mats;they're not really designed to cycle through a ton of rounds
1486497;1466547571;ascii_deadfiber;i would ask 'is it instead designed as a blunt weapon' but no, because aluminum
1486498;1466547576;mats;a lot of the ones in regular army service only have semiauto mode
1486499;1466547578;trinque;ahaha
1486500;1466547581;ascii_deadfiber;so what, exactly, is it good for
1486501;1466547650;ascii_deadfiber;do they even issue the bayonet with it ?
1486502;1466547651;ascii_deadfiber;can use as spear ?
1486503;1466547668;mats;i heard rumors they stopped training folks on the bayonet
1486504;1466547687;ascii_deadfiber;and instead training on what, anal lube for surrender ?
1486505;1466547759;mats;some guardsmen in this state i've talked to have never seen a bayonet irl
1486506;1466547806;mats;i dunno what to tell you man
1486507;1466547819;mats;its pretty rare for someone to spend 250 rounds in a firefight
1486508;1466547892;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber alloyed aluminum is quite strong tho
1486509;1466547919;mats;a lot of folks have gotten used to the idea that american airpower will always be available
1486510;1466547926;ascii_deadfiber;not so strong that can be used as crowbar and then expect the clockwork to work.
1486511;1466547928;mats;and it gets some dummies in trouble, ie, jessica lynch
1486512;1466547939;mats;got complacent, didn't clean weapon, experienced malfunction ...
1486513;1466547943;mircea_popescu;actually, mats afaik the "rounds fired per kill" in iraq is like 4mn or so ?
1486514;1466547981;ascii_deadfiber;eh small arms weren't anything like majority of kills even in ~ww1~
1486515;1466548008;mats;well we're talking about the ar
1486516;1466548025;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber certainly a majority of rounds fired tho
1486517;1466548039;ascii_deadfiber;aha
1486518;1466548064;mats;fwiw i think its practical to disable burst and auto
1486519;1466548076;mircea_popescu;30k rounds from the gau would be quite the sight indeed.
1486520;1466548078;ascii_deadfiber;how do you cover-fire without auto
1486521;1466548084;mircea_popescu;"we're here digging a hole to china"
1486522;1466548088;mats;squad assault weapon you brought along
1486523;1466548095;mircea_popescu;mats and when he's dead ?
1486524;1466548100;mats;pick it up.
1486525;1466548123;mircea_popescu;orly ?
1486526;1466548140;mircea_popescu;what if instead of dropping where you are, it drops where he got killed ?
1486527;1466548161;mats;that'd be a problem, yes
1486528;1466548169;mircea_popescu;but yes, you're right, us army has more and more moved towards a "thin shit line" stance.
1486529;1466548181;mircea_popescu;no strength in depth, break their charge take them all in for rape and goat herding.
1486530;1466548201;mircea_popescu;much like the us police, for that matter. lafond has the whole story of "police is useless in a defensive role, which is ironic"
1486531;1466548271;ascii_deadfiber;afaik ~all~ american hardware is optimized for 'we're winning effortlessly'
1486532;1466548289;ascii_deadfiber;aviation, tanks (which use, what, 50L, simply to ~revv up~) etc.
1486533;1466548339;mats;a lot of units don't issue polymer mags, but instead, some less reliable aluminum ones
1486534;1466548374;ascii_deadfiber;genius - to make part which will lead to dead man if it bends by 1mm, out of al.
1486535;1466548465;mats;procurement is ridiculous
1486536;1466548491;mircea_popescu;1mm ?
1486537;1466548534;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: it's a 'chessboard' (or what is this called in engl.?) double-row mag
1486538;1466548547;mircea_popescu;yeah but srsly, 0.1 prolly jams it
1486539;1466548563;mircea_popescu;i << wider than 1mm
1486540;1466548593;ascii_deadfiber;http://modernserviceweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/drop4.jpg
1486541;1466548600;ascii_deadfiber;probably.
1486542;1466548624;mircea_popescu;o brother
1486543;1466548625;ascii_deadfiber;lulzy, picked random photo, and it has plastic turds with cracked feed lips !
1486544;1466548649;mircea_popescu;isnt' the whole fucking point of making them out of plastic that you can throw them out
1486545;1466548652;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486546;1466548652;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486547;1466548664;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486548;1466548664;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486549;1466548731;mats;http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/05/25/in-reversal-army-bans-high-performance-rifle-mags.html
1486550;1466548756;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486382 << this is actually very reasonable.
1486551;1466548756;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 19:49 ascii_deadfiber: that the buildout of old folks homes etc will be re-used as психушкаs when the generation currently occupying them expires
1486552;1466548760;mats;'pmag' is great
1486553;1466548787;mircea_popescu;mats whatg's the reason, "democracy" aka equality aka "we don't want some guys to survive if it means the others wake up and smell the coffee" ?
1486554;1466548984;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486391 "point of no return" is just as much self-flattery.
1486555;1466548984;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 19:55 BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/a2xnO
1486556;1466549007;mircea_popescu;in general, all prb soft forks will be unwound, at such a time as judged most inconvenient to non-tmsr participants.
1486557;1466549036;mats;i'm sure somebody with a vested interest in aluminum magazines made this decision
1486558;1466549059;mircea_popescu;mats seems more like a desperate imperial attempt to retain relevancy.
1486559;1466549075;mircea_popescu;ie, someone with a vested interest in the obsolete notion that what the army "authorises" has any sway on battlefield
1486560;1466549092;mircea_popescu;and it's not entirely a "black guerilla family brings bricks of heroin home" operation
1486561;1466549133;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4631
1486562;1466549164;BingoBoingo;mats: Didn't they do this with the armor vest when personal purchases were making their approved fenders feel bad?
1486563;1466549181;mats;yes
1486564;1466549230;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo wait, wasn;'t the guy blogging about how he has to fight womenz off or somesuch ?
1486565;1466549261;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: He blogs that too routinely, but you had your own okcupid kick too
1486566;1466549295;*;ascii_deadfiber for the record had a very sour taste in mouth from the high/low-S softphork thing
1486567;1466549364;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ok, but the devil is in the details! my fetlife/okcupid/collarspace/etc lulz don't read like "six years ago, disgusted witgh the process" and so on and so forth.
1486568;1466549391;BingoBoingo;But he was new to the city and hadn't met all dem hawt retail bitches yet
1486569;1466549396;mircea_popescu;oh i see.
1486570;1466549444;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, http://www.collarspace.com/photos/2431304.jpg?06212016133701
1486571;1466549466;mircea_popescu;south-east asia natality clinics ftw.
1486572;1466549485;ascii_deadfiber;l0l!
1486573;1466549488;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486463 << I'm only partially of the way through and I can't stop laughing.
1486574;1466549488;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 21:40 BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/lgcRx2X.jpg
1486575;1466549673;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486402 << nothing.
1486576;1466549674;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 20:00 ascii_deadfiber: what's to stop a miner from pissing all over the 'lock'
1486577;1466549689;ascii_deadfiber;as i suspected.
1486578;1466549719;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486413 << also. of course, "address starts with 3" is a prime target for chopping block.
1486579;1466549719;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 20:02 BingoBoingo: ascii_deadfiber: Address starts with 3 has been the convention for pederastry ever since multisig happened
1486580;1466549721;mircea_popescu;there is no three.
1486581;1466549732;BingoBoingo;^
1486582;1466549743;ascii_deadfiber;what chopping block. none of this nonsense exists on our planet.
1486583;1466549758;ascii_deadfiber;esp. after malleus
1486584;1466549760;BingoBoingo;Then we bomb mars!
1486585;1466549764;thestringpuller;multisig? wut dat?
1486586;1466549772;ascii_deadfiber;(all your folks ~did~ build with malleus, yes ?)
1486587;1466549776;ascii_deadfiber;*you
1486588;1466549782;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber you can still receive it.
1486589;1466549798;thestringpuller;i can't receive multisig transactions
1486590;1466549801;mircea_popescu;just don't send it back out, the whole thirty bitcoin churning around bullshit will die down soon enough.
1486591;1466549804;ascii_deadfiber;receive how !?
1486592;1466549829;mircea_popescu;much like the 4-500 btc left in capital to prop up the ethereum "BULLION DOLLAER!!111" "alternative" something-or-the-other.
1486593;1466549841;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber because 3 can pay to 1address.
1486594;1466549873;thestringpuller;ascii_deadfiber: for segwitz and multisig output. you can reject payments until outputs are buried under enough blocks.
1486595;1466549875;mircea_popescu;but yes, /me has routinely answered with "3x is not a bitcoin address, fix your implementation". ever since multisig, actually.
1486596;1466549916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486427 << win.
1486597;1466549916;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 20:41 thestringpuller: awesome
1486598;1466549928;thestringpuller;but the 3x paying to 1x is a problem if oyu can't verify the output.
1486599;1466549940;thestringpuller;so its best to bury it and say "pay me later you asshole"
1486600;1466549941;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486430 << intended functionality!
1486601;1466549942;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 20:56 thestringpuller: its usually to cut down on spam, as I won't respond to recruiter inquiries unless they show up on IRC
1486602;1466550266;mircea_popescu;$up tfoxbrewster
1486603;1466550274;deedbot;tfoxbrewster voiced for 30 minutes.
1486604;1466550640;mircea_popescu;re http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/ i'm somewhat letdown that nobody asked for signatures or whatever.
1486605;1466550644;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486606;1466550644;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486607;1466550648;mircea_popescu;$up tfoxbrewster1
1486608;1466550648;deedbot;tfoxbrewster1 voiced for 30 minutes.
1486609;1466550669;mircea_popescu;$up fiddlerwoaroof_
1486610;1466550669;deedbot;fiddlerwoaroof_ voiced for 30 minutes.
1486611;1466550687;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: what i'm curious is how anybody will get past your whitelist
1486612;1466550707;mircea_popescu;well it's a special inbox
1486613;1466550714;ascii_deadfiber;(or is mircea_popescu having a penal battalion slavegurl filter)
1486614;1466550728;mircea_popescu;whichever girl is in the dungeon that day has to sift through the septic tank
1486615;1466550776;mircea_popescu;BUT! you have to also appreciate that while the building was well carpeted and it hosts an estimated 10k cowsies / day for a 1-200k total, nevertheless these are argentines.
1486616;1466550813;mircea_popescu;this means :1. illiterate and 2. mentally dim. i'm not sure 2 can be understood by anyone who has never interacted with the subhuman population of the 3rd world, but it is this bizarre situation where speech does not serve as a condensed version of the future.
1486617;1466550837;mircea_popescu;they're closer to hens, chirping to each other to stroke a mutual feeling of safety predicated on nothing in particular ; than to people describing what they intend to do and how they intend to do it.
1486618;1466550842;mircea_popescu;so... i don't expect much.
1486619;1466550893;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, when the day comes and they wish to know why argentine = slave population, "we didn't do nuttin!!1", the documentation's there.
1486620;1466552606;thestringpuller;so they hacked the DAO again and are "coming for the attacker".
1486621;1466554436;BingoBoingo;$up Puercopop
1486622;1466554440;deedbot;Puercopop voiced for 30 minutes.
1486623;1466556400;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller o noes!
1486624;1466556730;thestringpuller;i feel like I'm watching Ocean's Twelve - Neuromancer Edition.
1486625;1466556794;mircea_popescu;is that good for Butt-erin ?
1486626;1466557447;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lulz : http://spynews.ro/actualitate/un-fiu-de-procuror-ia-suflat-afacerea-cu-prostituate-lui-sile-camataru-legaturi-periculoase-intre-proxeneti-si-oamenii-legii-105879.html
1486627;1466557453;mircea_popescu;(famous pimp is out,
1486628;1466557461;mircea_popescu;"mysterious" son of da is in.)\
1486629;1466557492;thestringpuller;seems that way. eth is trading pretty high today. duno if they are just inflating the bubble to pop it later...or what have you
1486630;1466557590;mircea_popescu;aww!
1486631;1466558355;trinque;switching boxes.
1486632;1466558537;mod6;nice
1486633;1466558591;trinque;$google This is good for Bitcoin.
1486634;1466558597;deedbot;https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2a5pb6/where_does_the_phrase_this_is_good_for_bitcoin/ << Where does the phrase "This is good for bitcoin" come from ... | http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/category/this-is-good-for-bitcoin/ << this is good for bitcoin :: We Hunted The Mammoth | https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Bitcoin << Bitcoin - Encyclopedia Dramatica
1486635;1466558621;trinque;$key trinque
1486636;1466558624;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/80eba2b7-b323-435e-a255-597333f7da3f/
1486637;1466558670;trinque;no more mega-lags. lemme know if I'm a liar.
1486638;1466559795;mircea_popescu;cool deal.
1486639;1466562726;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486640;1466562726;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486641;1466562734;ascii_deadfiber;ty BingoBoingo.
1486642;1466562739;ascii_deadfiber;;;isitup trilema.com
1486643;1466562739;gribble;Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
1486644;1466562744;ascii_deadfiber;;;isup trilema.com
1486645;1466562750;gribble;trilema.com is up
1486646;1466562753;ascii_deadfiber;hm
1486647;1466562756;BingoBoingo;;;kittenlasers
1486648;1466562756;gribble;Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
1486649;1466562769;ascii_deadfiber;seems like it won't resolve here
1486650;1466562772;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu  ^ ?
1486651;1466562991;ascii_deadfiber;meanwhile, from the dept. of definitely-not-nyooz, http://6502.org/users/andre/65k/index.html
1486652;1466563028;ascii_deadfiber;^ a 6502 with 64-bit registers.
1486653;1466563062;ascii_deadfiber;and hm, trilema loads. it must merely be under titanic ddos.
1486654;1466563159;ascii_deadfiber;and lel, the 'braindamaged moduli' page is now an ~unreadable 15k+mods long, on account of the ssh dump
1486655;1466563161;ascii_deadfiber;and counting.
1486656;1466563239;ascii_deadfiber;http://www.mycpu.eu << also quite interesting imho.
1486657;1466563258;ascii_deadfiber;^ page claims to actually be served off one of them.
1486658;1466563276;ascii_deadfiber;'The MyCPU is a "Central Processing Unit" that is completely built with discrete logic gates. Over the years the project has grown...'
1486659;1466563378;BingoBoingo;joke https://sli.mg/a/KBOpjE
1486660;1466563399;BingoBoingo;I promise no great inca this time
1486661;1466563456;trinque;wahahaha
1486662;1466563459;trinque;wd
1486663;1466563638;ascii_deadfiber;http://www.6502.org/users/dieter/m02/m02.htm << monumentally slow 6502 ~MADE FROM ROMS~
1486664;1466563650;ascii_deadfiber;yes, from roms.
1486665;1466563667;ascii_deadfiber;gernika would probably appreciate ^
1486666;1466563774;ascii_deadfiber;and apparently i was wrong, it has ~same throughput as the genuine article.
1486667;1466563905;*;BingoBoingo wonders how fast 64 bit 65k will be supposing it gets made
1486668;1466563956;ascii_deadfiber;it lives on fpga
1486669;1466563987;ascii_deadfiber;if i could be arsed i'd compile it in my xilinx toolchain and see what max clock is
1486670;1466563994;ascii_deadfiber;but i can't be arsed presently.
1486671;1466564013;ascii_deadfiber;whoever gives a fuck - is invited to attempt this exercise.
1486672;1466564071;ascii_deadfiber;though on second look i can't seem to find any src on author's page.
1486673;1466564075;ascii_deadfiber;so nm.
1486674;1466564133;BingoBoingo;Yeah he hasn't made it that far yet. Just has spec
1486675;1466564157;ascii_deadfiber;eh anyway idea is simple enough.
1486676;1466564166;ascii_deadfiber;and you can get verilog for trad 6502 without breaking a sweat.
1486677;1466564177;ascii_deadfiber;just stretch the orifices. instant-Nbits.
1486678;1466564283;*;ascii_deadfiber bbl.
1486679;1466564880;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1486680;1466565530;trinque;"encourage him to check his testicles regularly for lumps -- or check them yourself as part of foreplay"
1486681;1466565536;trinque;it's like they can't even remember how sex is done
1486682;1466565565;mircea_popescu;not terrible advice, that, tho. you'd be surprised how many dumb bitches think "blowjob" doesn't include the ballsac.
1486683;1466565606;trinque;yeah true
1486684;1466565607;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486649 << eh, script kiddies been "attacking" it all day. whatevs, not like there's anything that important there it won't take being down the occasional half hour.
1486685;1466565607;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 02:32 ascii_deadfiber: seems like it won't resolve here
1486686;1466566071;mircea_popescu;in absolutely-not-worth-anyone-s-time non-lulz & butthurt, https://pdaian.com/blog/chasing-the-dao-attackers-wake/#comment-25 <-> https://archive.is/y519j#selection-1795.0-1807.26
1486687;1466566098;mircea_popescu;tl;dr : getting owned is "off topic", especially if it happens to the mary sue of one's own fanfic.
1486688;1466566184;gernika;;;later tell asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486665 << interesting indeed.
1486689;1466566184;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 02:47 ascii_deadfiber: gernika would probably appreciate ^
1486690;1466566185;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1486691;1466566244;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486654 << the "Submissions: 3182582 Known Moduli: 2657917" part is pretty cool though. what's total damage going to be, from 20 to 56 mn or somesuch ?
1486692;1466566244;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 02:39 ascii_deadfiber: and lel, the 'braindamaged moduli' page is now an ~unreadable 15k+mods long, on account of the ssh dump
1486693;1466566392;Bugpowder;If Vessenes is on your altcoin security Mt. Rushmore, you might be in trouble. https://twitter.com/vessenes/status/745393423956455424
1486694;1466566431;mircea_popescu;was mt rushmore good for security ?
1486695;1466566434;mircea_popescu;i forget with the mounts.
1486696;1466566509;Bugpowder;In the Top 4
1486697;1466566513;Bugpowder;minds
1486698;1466566547;mircea_popescu;lmao "smart contracts need state machine". yeah best thing that ever happened to scamcoin is this ragdoll joining up.
1486699;1466566561;mircea_popescu;hopefully they mop up the rest of the jizz, make one big ball of... biomass.
1486700;1466566738;Bugpowder;I have to admit, I don’t know wtf is going on with Ether, I stopped paying attention to it January 26, 2014 (last email on topic).  So I just blindly concur with Emin when he says DAO is fucked.
1486701;1466566866;mircea_popescu;it's not the dao that's fucked. on the battlefield of the future, which is right here, the usg.vc idiots got raped and their bowels strung out to dry on fences, and now the hot core of usgism, mit & cornell and all are fighting for dear life
1486702;1466566872;mircea_popescu;and losing more men than they can replace.
1486703;1466566887;mircea_popescu;there isn't going to be a us academia to pay you a pension, keep that in mind.
1486704;1466567021;Bugpowder;Anyone planning on a pension is not planning
1486705;1466567031;mircea_popescu;this is also true.
1486706;1466567625;mircea_popescu;sooo... clinton's trove of emails actually proves the us & nato deliberately destroyed lybia. you still think she's got a chance alf ?
1486707;1466567644;BingoBoingo;Is it just me or does anyone else think /r/Buttcoin is off their game trying to force their methereum meme when ether huffing is a still more lulzy way to abuse drugs?
1486708;1466567676;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo SA forced meme failure rate's been over 80% ever since the great cancer of 2002ish neh ?
1486709;1466567689;BingoBoingo;Well apparently Trump's campaign doesn't have coffers, rumors he might quit AT the convention.
1486710;1466567697;BingoBoingo;of course
1486711;1466567697;Bugpowder;Trump is toast
1486712;1466567702;mircea_popescu;lol!
1486713;1466567725;BingoBoingo;Johnson-Weld 2016! At least they aren't as fat!
1486714;1466567726;mircea_popescu;i guess if we had a bitbet this'd have gone pretty high huh.
1486715;1466567733;BingoBoingo;Seriously
1486716;1466567736;Bugpowder;yeah
1486717;1466567743;Bugpowder;its actually a good one for bitbet too
1486718;1466567746;mircea_popescu;awell.
1486719;1466567755;Bugpowder;becuase that time decay makes sense for once.
1486720;1466567781;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo is this based of that derp in the baffler or anything else ?
1486721;1466567811;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: It's based on the part where he hasn't hired a campaign staff or raised any money.
1486722;1466567830;mircea_popescu;ie, on the fact that washington "insiders" are VERY butthurt ?
1486723;1466567839;mircea_popescu;~nobody actually needs them to do anything.
1486724;1466567845;Bugpowder;This was a good tweetstorm too
1486725;1466567846;Bugpowder;https://twitter.com/ThomasHCrown/status/745243525483134979
1486726;1466567887;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Possibly, but backup GOP has traditional GOP ticket http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/ Still polling ~10%
1486727;1466567898;mircea_popescu;i find it kinda amusing that the derps keep losing the same way, and keep going at it the same way.
1486728;1466567953;BingoBoingo;yeah
1486729;1466568003;mircea_popescu;ashley feinberg over at bankrupter rubbing her dry snatch raw over some bizarro fantasy where "trump quits after he wins".
1486730;1466568014;Bugpowder;Trump statements speak to the core of the GOP.
1486731;1466568018;mircea_popescu;dude's about ten times more likely to win and send her to a work camp.
1486732;1466568042;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder more like, to the core of the 83% ish white unemployed hopeless us populace.
1486733;1466568057;Bugpowder;yeah, thats the core of the GOP
1486734;1466568066;mircea_popescu;the poor didn't get enough from obama. the socialists are getting trashed.
1486735;1466568069;Bugpowder;Not the intellectual leaders.
1486736;1466568074;Bugpowder;Not the Romneys
1486737;1466568082;Bugpowder;but the core voters
1486738;1466568083;mircea_popescu;i am the only intellectual leader of the united states.
1486739;1466568092;mircea_popescu;it seriously is THAT empty.
1486740;1466568094;Bugpowder;Aren’t u in  Argentina now
1486741;1466568135;mircea_popescu;yeah. but that doesn't change the fact the ~only intellectual in the entire north of the continent is that old jew talking to himself in a room.
1486742;1466568207;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo imagine, if all the various "intellectual leaders" on the basis of the accomplishment of having been so epithet'd by the "opinion formers" of the atlantic & gawker end up having to work 12 hours a day building a wall in arizona.
1486743;1466568224;mircea_popescu;bucket and trowel in hand, on a steady diet of worm castles.
1486744;1466568277;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder see, that's the problem : if the aspie 14% ended up in  south western version of auschwitz, with 3% survival rates, ~nobody with a us passport would as much as raise an eyebrow.
1486745;1466568294;mircea_popescu;they only care about themselves. if you get all of them in the camps, there's absolutely nobody left that'd even fucking notice.
1486746;1466568315;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486747;1466568316;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486748;1466568348;ascii_deadfiber;ty mircea_popescu. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486691 << apparently most of the samples have demented exponent
1486749;1466568348;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 03:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486654 << the "Submissions: 3182582 Known Moduli: 2657917" part is pretty cool though. what's total damage going to be, from 20 to 56 mn or somesuch ?
1486750;1466568352;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: ikr
1486751;1466568363;ascii_deadfiber;(why? ask them, not me...)
1486752;1466568378;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: fanfic all the way down at the bankrupter
1486753;1466568393;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber gotta structure the braindamaged page somehow i guess. the wunderbar reality, always surprising.
1486754;1466568418;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486702 << this is where i ???. what exactly have they lost? check out, they sent crate of printolade, pumped air right back into ethercrud, etc.
1486755;1466568418;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 03:41 mircea_popescu: and losing more men than they can replace.
1486756;1466568437;ascii_deadfiber;process can repeat ad infinitum
1486757;1466568446;mircea_popescu;no natural process can repeat ad infinitum.
1486758;1466568467;mircea_popescu;o look, meanwhile paul ryan is actually quitting ?
1486759;1466568497;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486706 << clitler is the anointed muppet. as in, will be propped up with diebold voting machines if necessary.
1486760;1466568498;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 03:53 mircea_popescu: sooo... clinton's trove of emails actually proves the us & nato deliberately destroyed lybia. you still think she's got a chance alf ?
1486761;1466568510;mircea_popescu;so was gavin. what did that do ?
1486762;1466568511;ascii_deadfiber;and who is going to do what about it.
1486763;1466568517;ascii_deadfiber;gavin is still on his throne.
1486764;1466568528;mircea_popescu;lol. sure, sure. let it play out then, what can i tell you.
1486765;1466568568;ascii_deadfiber;in related lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/06/negative-interest-rates-are-coming-to.html
1486766;1466568594;ascii_deadfiber;'...when your civilization is collapsing, civilized people become a liability. It may not even be just a question of culture or society; it may be a question of breeding. Just as you can breed hunting dogs to specifically disable certain instinctive behaviors—pointers don't attack the prey but stupidly stand there pointing; retrievers stupidly carry the prey back instead of eating it on the spot—you can also breed a race 
1486767;1466568632;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone's disputing the average college graduate is useless to everyone and a burden to himself.
1486768;1466568689;BingoBoingo;<mircea_popescu> o look, meanwhile paul ryan is actually quitting ? << Indeterminate, but as I suggested "backup GOP"
1486769;1466568703;mircea_popescu;he wants to run about as much as hilary.
1486770;1466568741;mircea_popescu;must suck to be so out of people, seriously now. can't behead the da, notwithstanding corruption debacle, because well... can't find anyone that could sign his name in his stead, and the indians aren't shipping any more replacements. can't this, can't that...
1486771;1466568747;BingoBoingo;But seriously the GOP collapse is more lulz than I imagined
1486772;1466568800;mircea_popescu;now they're whining about how "an independent run about non-trump ''conservatives''' would be ''devastating''". what fucking conservatives ? moreover, weren't they NOT whining about the actual disaster of trump running without them, winning and then that's that for the gop ?
1486773;1466568856;ascii_deadfiber;i dun see the 'winning.' the man is the american zhirinovsky - crafted heat sink for excitable 'red state' folk.
1486774;1466568880;mircea_popescu;heh.
1486775;1466568888;ascii_deadfiber;designated loss monkey.
1486776;1466568903;gernika;Gore was a loss monkey.
1486777;1466568909;mircea_popescu;yeah. it's usually the designated loss monkey that wins and then beheads everyone who ever dreamed of "designating"
1486778;1466568915;ascii_deadfiber;robot gore!11111
1486779;1466568923;ascii_deadfiber;'i was there, i did it.' -- gore, '9/11'
1486780;1466568938;mircea_popescu;gernika designated being the key word here. like you know, elaine's moment when she realises that if she claims her rapist is her boyfriend, she's no longer the office skank but just a woman in love.
1486781;1466569003;*;mircea_popescu recalls with some amusement the certain certainness of various derps, "professional" as well as amateur, ritously explaining how trump won't get the nomination.
1486782;1466569025;mircea_popescu;"o no guise, we were all in on it, it's been all a farce all along!1111!"
1486783;1466569140;gernika;ascii_deadfiber: if Trump is a loss monkey, why risk assassination for it?  Seems not worth it.
1486784;1466569154;ascii_deadfiber;waiwut
1486785;1466569154;mircea_popescu;what, he got whacked ? when ?
1486786;1466569166;BingoBoingo;There was an attempt on him this past weekend
1486787;1466569173;gernika;attempted by a brit last week or so, in Nevada.  grabbed a cop's gun
1486788;1466569174;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber wouldn't that be the best of all possible words, he's actually dead and has been for weeks. like that chinese emperor.
1486789;1466569219;ascii_deadfiber;if he doesn't play the script, won't live long, this is quite obvious
1486790;1466569229;gernika;This was after a solid week of "Trump is racist" headlines for the Curiel thing.
1486791;1466569236;mircea_popescu;lol
1486792;1466569260;BingoBoingo;didn't make it past trying to take cop's gun though
1486793;1466569265;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber make some falsifiable prediction and attach an "i will forever renounce my heretic views about the usg mattering in any sense" to it already.
1486794;1466569271;mircea_popescu;this is getting painful to watch.
1486795;1466569288;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo gernika guy wasn't even in the room or anything was he ?
1486796;1466569302;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: prediction: '8 moar yearz of obummer'
1486797;1466569303;BingoBoingo;not in a meaningful way
1486798;1466569309;ascii_deadfiber;regardless of which actor is used
1486799;1466569310;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber how is this falsifiable ?
1486800;1466569322;mircea_popescu;plox to compile the whole code not just 2/3ds of it
1486801;1466569500;ascii_deadfiber;will have to come back to this.
1486802;1466569503;*;ascii_deadfiber bbl
1486803;1466569504;mircea_popescu;aite.
1486804;1466569705;trinque;trump isn't smart enough to be a part of some vast lizard conspiracy.
1486805;1466569706;mircea_popescu;in other political news, the party that i quit in 2010 ( http://trilema.com/2010/ajunge/ etc) has meanwhile dropped from the leading-coallition position to ~not winning anything in the local elections today.
1486806;1466569723;mircea_popescu;only took them ~half the time to lose everything that it took to build.
1486807;1466569751;trinque;he's just some overgrown cheeto that got "rich" riding the froth of fiat currency, and he's going to talk in circles while we fall apart, to great applause
1486808;1466569764;mircea_popescu;trinque the important narrative here, very much in the achilean vein, is that BECAUSE he isn't "sophisticated" which really means corrupted, ie "civilised" enough THEREFORE he can't win.
1486809;1466569765;trinque;meanwhile hillary might piss off russia enough to do something interesting; who knows
1486810;1466569770;mircea_popescu;whereas exactly the opposite is actually true
1486811;1466569800;mircea_popescu;that he doesn't have clinton's alleged advaqntages (to quote the baffler derp, "hyper prepared") is such a large advantage nothing ELSE the woman can do matters.
1486812;1466569810;trinque;yeah I think he can win
1486813;1466569822;trinque;there were a few 10s of thousands of people around his rally a mile from here
1486814;1466569840;trinque;he's bringing out the old, fat, sad fucks that liked reagan, and their kids
1486815;1466569840;mircea_popescu;and this is the point : they keep pushing the "debate" to bury this point. usg wants people to actually believe "civilisation is good for you ; and please don't look at how EVERY SINGLE TIME the barbarian rapes the colon"
1486816;1466569859;mircea_popescu;this is such a bad plan...
1486817;1466569883;mircea_popescu;anyway, young country, no political experience, no culture, no history, no nation, no language, no nothing. curse of youth is to be stupid in this way.
1486818;1466569952;trinque;yeah. he's no warlord; he's just the plastic toy version the US squeezed out before dying
1486819;1466569965;trinque;people think he's notable because he almost says fuck
1486820;1466569970;mircea_popescu;well where are you gonna find a warlord.
1486821;1466570098;gernika;I kind of like him because the absolute rage he inspires in my fellow bay areans.
1486822;1466570116;mircea_popescu;does he ?
1486823;1466570122;gernika;rabid
1486824;1466570130;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-17#1408755 << brought this to mind
1486825;1466570130;a111;Logged on 2016-02-17 21:13 asciilifeform: afaik all literate folk know about, e.g., the auschwitz inmates who collected scraps of german uniforms, etc.
1486826;1466570130;mircea_popescu;lol
1486827;1466570138;trinque;he's a sort of totem
1486828;1466570235;gernika;Brought him up in a hot tub full of middle aged women at a Best Western.  Suddenly: silence.
1486829;1466570260;mircea_popescu;what were you doing in that soup ?
1486830;1466570282;gernika;allowing the kid to wear herself out in the pool
1486831;1466570306;Bugpowder;I used to like him…  I thought he was a sort of genius.  But now I really have come around to the idea that he just a real estate developer/scam artist playing the same con on politicians/citizens now.
1486832;1466570309;mircea_popescu;o wait, they do this "share hot tub with random people" thing now don't they
1486833;1466570343;BingoBoingo;Yeah, its a thing here
1486834;1466570370;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder in honesty, he seems a lot more adequate to the spirit, needs and aspirations of the place than anyone else since, perhaps, kennedy. he is EXACTLY the "fake it" bullshitter americans have become. and his "figures" are exactly the "engagement numbers" of "online businesses".
1486835;1466570408;Bugpowder;He does get people pumped
1486836;1466570409;mircea_popescu;rarely has there been a more truthfully representative politician seen in any democratic race. worldwide, historically.
1486837;1466570428;pete_dushenski;o man, deedbot's on e
1486838;1466570437;pete_dushenski;wd trinque
1486839;1466570441;Bugpowder;I kinda want him to just come in and kick ass… but I don’t think he is capable of following thru
1486840;1466570452;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski word.
1486841;1466570469;mircea_popescu;Bugpowder well, he'll kick some ass, then go invade russia and that'll be that.
1486842;1466570473;mircea_popescu;it's how this stuff usually works
1486843;1466570504;trinque;pete_dushenski: ty
1486844;1466570543;gernika;mircea_popescu: interesting I thought he was the one that would pull out of the ongoing invasion...
1486845;1466570544;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486757 << except dreams
1486846;1466570544;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 04:07 mircea_popescu: no natural process can repeat ad infinitum.
1486847;1466570557;trinque;perhaps one of the cartels will kill him if he stays on the "build a wall, mexico pays" train
1486848;1466570564;Bugpowder;Well we will have the Trump News Network launching in 2017
1486849;1466570568;Bugpowder;if he loses
1486850;1466570576;mircea_popescu;gernika i meant it metaphorically. it's the dumb idea that broke hitler.
1486851;1466570581;Bugpowder;The Apprentice: White House Edition if he wins
1486852;1466570590;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski eventually you die.
1486853;1466570607;Bugpowder;The problem with America is that everyone thinks that if you are a billionare you are a fucking genius
1486854;1466570614;Bugpowder;“A” problem
1486855;1466570616;trinque;he's got less than his daddy gave him
1486856;1466570622;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: dreamer doesn't know this ?
1486857;1466570627;mircea_popescu;not so. i actually am one, they don't think i'm a genius. trump .... isn't, let's put it mildly.
1486858;1466570641;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski well, knowledge dun enter much into it, does it.
1486859;1466570680;mircea_popescu;trinque actually from what i hear he's crazy popular with the insurgent & revolutionary non-governments of mexico.
1486860;1466570695;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: sure it does. subjective dreamer sees 'ad infinitum', third-party observer sees dreamdreamdreamdead.
1486861;1466570702;mircea_popescu;he's just impopular with the #niunamenos middleaged concern trolls with govt job aspirations throughout the south.
1486862;1466570764;trinque;hm interesting
1486863;1466570801;mircea_popescu;you should see how butthurt the ar wanna-be "intellectual leaders" are at him lol.
1486864;1466570868;trinque;see, this is why people who usually wouldn't pay attention to someone that inarticulate are on some level tempted to indulge, at least here
1486865;1466570885;trinque;like gernika says, those types loathe him, so he's at least an epic lulzmine
1486866;1466570917;mircea_popescu;honestly i kinda like his hairdo.
1486867;1466570962;gernika;trinque: it's not just the libtards that loathe him.  I think the libertarians as well, and they might hate him more.
1486868;1466570970;mircea_popescu;would be epic if he won and it became fashionable and so every faggot with a "fashion sense" in california ended up wearing the toup.
1486869;1466570993;mircea_popescu;gernika you mean palin-libertarians or which ?
1486870;1466570998;BingoBoingo;This is the great tragedy of BitBet dying when it did
1486871;1466571022;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo maybe not so tragic. the debate's all the more heated for lack of a means to quench it :D
1486872;1466571031;gernika;mircea_popescu: Well, any libertarian who believes in a borderless society
1486873;1466571031;BingoBoingo;Perhaps
1486874;1466571050;mircea_popescu;gernika what, you mean for everyone ? socialist-libertarian ?
1486875;1466571076;gernika;mircea_popescu: I hadn't considered the socialist angle there
1486876;1466571113;mircea_popescu;but there is in fact an externality here. either "you" can go only some places, and "he" can go only some places ; or else "you" can go anywhere, but he can't. there isn't a way where everyone can go anywhere.
1486877;1466571123;trinque;once there's payment stuff in deedbot someone should do a betbot
1486878;1466571146;mircea_popescu;this notion of "liberty means i can do anything i want and mom will mop up the jizz when i'm done" really depends on you know, the mom in question being present.
1486879;1466571161;mircea_popescu; iguess we could call them infantilist-etatist-libertarians if "socialism" is too broad for the notion.
1486880;1466571170;mircea_popescu;trinque seems likely ya
1486881;1466571182;BingoBoingo;From the department of Butthurt http://theoatmeal.com/comics/fireworks
1486882;1466571306;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo no, the guy is right. ideally, the guy literally sets phil plait, his family, matthew inman, his partner or whatever, and everyone else of the ilk on fire.
1486883;1466571337;BingoBoingo;Right and all that's going to happen between now and January is more wish pieces about the future not happening
1486884;1466571362;mircea_popescu;i meant it above, take the whole aspirational 14%, that's about 50 to 70 mn citizens, from everyone who ever wrote for gawker to everyone who ever worked in washington, set them somewhere in the desert, put barbed wire all around them, and work them to death.
1486885;1466571385;mircea_popescu;painting the sand ochre or w/e.
1486886;1466571399;mircea_popescu;buildiong a wall, what diff does it make. just as long as they die in 6 to 9 months.
1486887;1466571400;pete_dushenski;'wine-coloured'
1486888;1466571429;pete_dushenski;... sand.
1486889;1466571481;pete_dushenski;speaking of ancient greece : http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonianmag/archaeologists-uncover-massive-naval-bases-ancient-athenians-180959452/
1486890;1466571495;BingoBoingo;Needs to happen, but just the wonder of all the lulz along the ride there
1486891;1466571497;*;trinque to regeneration pod
1486892;1466571525;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo seems dubious this guy got the stones, but anyway. their fear is not unjustified. as you say - gotta happen.
1486893;1466571606;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I predict many more months of "Where's Ashton Kutcher to tell us it was a joke?"
1486894;1466571625;felipelalli;hi guys! An acquainted of mine is asking me if there are some trustful exchange to withdraw USD directly. He doesn't trust Bitfinex anymore. Any recommendation? There are any exchange with a good WoT? I'm sorry if this is already on logs. Thank you!
1486895;1466571626;mircea_popescu;nah it's gonna be that unfunny faggot, what's his name. oliver something or the other.
1486896;1466571639;pete_dushenski;isn't ak 'in bitcoin' but not in wot ?
1486897;1466571641;mircea_popescu;felipelalli no such thing exists afaik.
1486898;1466571651;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: nah, because Ashton Kutcher had a how all about people getting punked like this.
1486899;1466571653;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: thank you!
1486900;1466571665;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: twist. the british one.
1486901;1466571675;felipelalli;Twix ?
1486902;1466571680;mircea_popescu;lemme fish him out im pretty sure i pissed on his face at some point
1486903;1466571692;pete_dushenski;you definitely did
1486904;1466571700;pete_dushenski;cancer something
1486905;1466571711;mircea_popescu;john oliver
1486906;1466571723;pete_dushenski;http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/09/you-know-what-doesnt-wash-your-pathetic-attempts-to-teach-the-controversy-thats-what/ << also
1486907;1466571742;pete_dushenski;o man i can just remember how mad i was when i wrote that. good times.
1486908;1466571797;mircea_popescu;lol
1486909;1466571825;pete_dushenski;'Quintus Arrius: Your eyes are full of hate, forty-one. That's good.'
1486910;1466571838;pete_dushenski;(ben hur) (tm) (r)
1486911;1466572243;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency cad
1486912;1466572249;gribble;Bitstamp BTCCAD last: 841.613904, vol: 28514.49288228 | BTC-E BTCCAD last: 822.7872, vol: 15573.89184 | CampBX BTCCAD last: 768.972816, vol: 6.07767 | BTCChina BTCCAD last: 850.423162, vol: 81459.03300000 | Kraken BTCCAD last: 846.02, vol: 391.52278659 | Volume-weighted last average: 844.993729506
1486913;1466572269;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1486914;1466572276;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 657.03, vol: 28453.79807083 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 641.842, vol: 15567.8074 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 662.4, vol: 102102.5200027 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.01, vol: 6.07767 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 665.059213, vol: 81454.27100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 659.0, vol: 7266.86839237 | Volume-weighted last average: 661.20212666
1486915;1466572280;pete_dushenski;cad was 4 figs last week
1486916;1466572388;mircea_popescu;oh in other lulz : guy ran the numbers, discovered that miss america claims to spend 50mn a year ; actually spends 500k a year in scholarships for wiminz.
1486917;1466572406;BingoBoingo;lol
1486918;1466572414;mircea_popescu;another "billionaire" item. fuck, average us expat spends more than that on hookers, be it in thailand or costa rica or whatever.
1486919;1466572486;mircea_popescu;and at least the hookers actually deliver, as opposed to that dummy "bitcoin chamber of derpitude" what's her face.
1486920;1466572491;BingoBoingo;Micheal Jackson spent more than that on Child Porn apparently
1486921;1466572501;BingoBoingo;AHA, ms boring
1486922;1466572637;mircea_popescu;anyway, negative interest rates for fiats, such delicious cake. bring it!
1486923;1466574227;pete_dushenski;http://www.interfluidity.com/v2/6581.html#comment-43478 << ha. smacking the daoethtards with godel. no reply to vlade's comment, because what's to say ? "i still have faith" ?
1486924;1466574565;pete_dushenski;in other usg news, "Trump campaign expenses in May, per FEC report: Hats: $208k. Online advertising: $115k. Data management: $48k. Communications consulting: $38k"
1486925;1466574886;mircea_popescu;top hats ?
1486926;1466574926;pete_dushenski;the ones you thought could no longer be made!
1486927;1466574939;pete_dushenski;special velvet or what was it ?
1486928;1466574954;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski the relationship with bitcoin is entirely spurious.
1486929;1466574992;mircea_popescu;fwiw, actually cultivated people said this exact thing about the constantly re-heated ripple-ether-etc soup with "smart bullshit". but hey, who wants to read when there's all this daydreaming to do.
1486930;1466575098;pete_dushenski;'creative professionals' have 'original ideas' and things.
1486931;1466575148;mircea_popescu;said this exact thing in 2012-2013, i mean. like http://trilema.com/2013/why-i-nixed-p2p-colored-coins-and-all-that-jazz/
1486932;1466575176;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski yeah, exactly. the ONE THING the chitlins loathe like lye to the eyes is having to slave under actual men and in the process actually mature
1486933;1466575183;mircea_popescu;nah, better play with the dollies s'more!
1486934;1466575268;pete_dushenski;dollies, other boy's bumholes, own bumholes, video games, dronez... all more 'fun' than being 'slave' as understood from social studies textbook
1486935;1466575327;pete_dushenski;kidz who 'don't want to work for man' go to yukon for 'morell rush' to 'make $1k per day with no boss' while getting raped for accommodations, transportation, and by blood-sucking skeeters. such deserving win.
1486936;1466575395;pete_dushenski;morelltards would know it's a scam but... can't read books, much less o say contravex : http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/16/gold-rush/
1486937;1466575418;pete_dushenski;and yet 'literacy is at an all time high'. aha.
1486938;1466575464;mircea_popescu;wonder of wonders, check this tardstalk poster out :
1486939;1466575464;mircea_popescu;"Eth is the LEAST aggregate market I've ever seen, which is why I never recommend people to short it.  The price is controlled by one single guy who runs the bots on Bologniex tied to either the Ethereum developers themselves, or some entity like Goldman Sachs.  Ever since Bitcoin started to rise, I watched them absorb something like 5000-10,000 BTC in Eth dumps on Poloniex just trying to prop the price up and prevent it from
1486940;1466575465;mircea_popescu; imploding.
1486941;1466575465;mircea_popescu;The DOA event caused a dumpocalypse on them forcing them to absorb even more losses.  This single entity that controls the ETh price is underwater as fuck now and probably desperate to rid himself of some of those scamtokens.  I have a feeling the only reason it made it that high of value in the first place is the Eth devs themselves sent a bunch of Eth to Poloniex, then used those coins for collateral to margin long it to th
1486942;1466575468;mircea_popescu;e moon while liquidating shoters.  Dan Larimer actually talked about attempting doing that himself once in the past when BTS was in the dumpster but he chickened out.  Him and Vitalik have been speaking a bit these days and maybe he gave Vitalik the idea."
1486943;1466575489;mircea_popescu;if anyone still has an account do me a favour invite "r0ach" over.
1486944;1466575533;mircea_popescu;not only is he actually getting the facts right, but his numbers are almost accurate. pretty impressive.
1486945;1466575653;mircea_popescu;anyway. the lulz has cost usg more turkey dollars than mit has cost usg this year. that's an accomplishment right there, they could have made ten thousand hookers and fifty thousand "aides" happy for that money. this means 10k angry hookers and 50k passive-agressive pencildicks extra to deal with.
1486946;1466575964;mircea_popescu;anyone recalls the case of the famous mr nick leeson, the man who put an end to barings bank after two centuries of successful operation through the exact same process ? doubling down on being on the wrong side of the market and then earthquake striking japan ?
1486947;1466576021;mircea_popescu;$up _FeltPen
1486948;1466576021;deedbot;_FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
1486949;1466590907;Framedragger;https://twitter.com/sam_reginald/status/745401616912654338
1486950;1466595518;thestringpuller;;;later tell Bugpowder you ever start up that dream lab?
1486951;1466595518;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1486952;1466596398;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486953;1466596398;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486954;1466596722;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486876 << as late as 18th c. there was 'everybody goes wherever', no ?
1486955;1466596722;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 04:51 mircea_popescu: but there is in fact an externality here. either "you" can go only some places, and "he" can go only some places ; or else "you" can go anywhere, but he can't. there isn't a way where everyone can go anywhere.
1486956;1466596747;ascii_deadfiber;(anybody who has what to eat there, just as now)
1486957;1466596772;ascii_deadfiber;shanghai was an uncontrolled port even in 1940s.
1486958;1466596776;thestringpuller;okay so dao is getting attacked again
1486959;1466596786;thestringpuller;the white hats drained the original dao and "proclaimed it safe"
1486960;1466596805;ascii_deadfiber;brown hats.
1486961;1466596805;thestringpuller;well the attacker went in and started attacking the "safe child dao"
1486962;1466596809;ascii_deadfiber;l0l!
1486963;1466596824;thestringpuller;so likelihood this guy has spies among the ethereum leadership
1486964;1466596828;thestringpuller;am I seriously living neuromancer?
1486965;1466596871;ascii_deadfiber;nah if we were in neuromancer, the idiots' skulls would pop when we own them and that would be it
1486966;1466596894;thestringpuller;;;later tell mod6: 06/22/16 04:37:41 height=267979 << slowly but surely
1486967;1466596894;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1486968;1466596924;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486924 << apparently cocaine is now called 'hat'
1486969;1466596924;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 05:49 pete_dushenski: in other usg news, "Trump campaign expenses in May, per FEC report: Hats: $208k. Online advertising: $115k. Data management: $48k. Communications consulting: $38k"
1486970;1466596941;thestringpuller;ascii_deadfiber: would pop when we own them << that is true. one of us would also be addicted to some techno drug. don't that have "intellect enhancer" in neuromancer too?
1486971;1466597032;BingoBoingo;Fermentation was the original technology!
1486972;1466597037;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486945 << that's what, 1 crashed f16 ?
1486973;1466597038;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 06:07 mircea_popescu: anyway. the lulz has cost usg more turkey dollars than mit has cost usg this year. that's an accomplishment right there, they could have made ten thousand hookers and fifty thousand "aides" happy for that money. this means 10k angry hookers and 50k passive-agressive pencildicks extra to deal with.
1486974;1466597056;ascii_deadfiber;and it isn't as if usg BUYS btc anyway
1486975;1466597081;ascii_deadfiber;it steals (via everything from 'coke machine' to nsa-produced virii etc.)
1486976;1466597136;ascii_deadfiber;granted when they lose coinz, said coinz are no longer available for the waterfall. at least temporarily.
1486977;1466597150;ascii_deadfiber;(until they steal'em back)
1486978;1466598049;thestringpuller;the waterfall is exploding
1486979;1466598285;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486980;1466598285;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1486981;1466598317;thestringpuller;ascii_deadfiber: Attacker can bleed Ethereum completely out.
1486982;1466598336;thestringpuller;He has full control of what they do at this point, cause he's smarter than the creator.
1486983;1466599161;thestringpuller;;;calc ( 0.022 - 0.019 ) / 0.022
1486984;1466599162;gribble;0.136363636364
1486985;1466599928;ascii_deadfiber;the one thing i don't quite get is why drain it to 1 or 2 addrs
1486986;1466599941;ascii_deadfiber;when you can do maxint addrs
1486987;1466599958;ascii_deadfiber;and force the derps to have a blacklist weighing a GB, in their idiot fork
1486988;1466600010;thestringpuller;ascii_deadfiber: that's the plan, or at least what the alleged plan is.
1486989;1466600029;thestringpuller;they have like 30 different "attack contracts" ready to deploy against the dao (again allegedly)
1486990;1466600060;ascii_deadfiber;i thought it was gone ?
1486991;1466600089;thestringpuller;i think that's why they released the free "drain some eth" on a pastebin. but no one bit at it. basically if the attacker is able to entice more blackhats to start attacking the various daos into other child daos making it more difficult to hard fork.
1486992;1466600127;thestringpuller;the original dao is drained. but the attacker split into the whitehat child dao, so he can now start attacking
1486993;1466600131;thestringpuller;fuck i can't up you
1486994;1466600133;thestringpuller;$up ascii_deadfiber
1486995;1466600133;deedbot;thestringpuller may not $up ascii_deadfiber
1486996;1466600825;thestringpuller;http://pastebin.com/CvuPvDdL << we want regulation!
1486997;1466601470;jurov;$up  ascii_deadfiber
1486998;1466601470;deedbot; voiced for 30 minutes.
1486999;1466601510;jurov;lol one extra space goes a long way
1487000;1466601545;jurov;$up                                                              ascii_deadfiber
1487001;1466601545;deedbot; voiced for 30 minutes.
1487002;1466601565;jurov;$up  (ascii_deadfiber
1487003;1466601565;deedbot; voiced for 30 minutes.
1487004;1466601583;jurov;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487005;1466601583;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487006;1466601645;jurov;phf ^^
1487007;1466602085;thestringpuller;LOL
1487008;1466602169;ascii_deadfiber;waiwut
1487009;1466602282;jurov;ascii_deadfiber: just usual lisp disease, homebrewn tokenization
1487010;1466602373;ascii_deadfiber;lel
1487011;1466602394;ascii_deadfiber;i would have guessed that he used reader macro
1487012;1466602397;ascii_deadfiber;but go figure.
1487013;1466602446;shinohai;"If you are the hacker, then all I can say is we are coming for you. There are many plans in place to attack the child daos and either block the funds or recover them."
1487014;1466602520;ascii_deadfiber;corewars!!1111
1487015;1466602531;jurov;$b 2
1487016;1466602638;shinohai;Someone likes pouring money into the dao, back up 30.15 %
1487017;1466603922;thestringpuller;it is corewars. and the attacker is winning.
1487018;1466603935;thestringpuller;ethereum price is now whether you think the hacker will win or buterin will win
1487019;1466606841;thestringpuller;;;calc 1000000 / 3631
1487020;1466606841;gribble;275.406224181
1487021;1466610926;mircea_popescu;$up jaumenuez
1487022;1466610927;deedbot;jaumenuez voiced for 30 minutes.
1487023;1466610951;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber isn't teh butthurt lulzy to watch tho ?
1487024;1466611011;mircea_popescu;$arriba ascii_deadfiber
1487025;1466611016;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487026;1466611016;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487027;1466611027;mircea_popescu;damn the language support for this thing is apalingly poor!
1487028;1466611039;ascii_deadfiber;ty mircea_popescu. which butthurt in particular? i've not been taking in the shithose wholesale
1487029;1466611048;mircea_popescu;"oh we are coming for you bla bla"
1487030;1466611053;ascii_deadfiber;ah
1487031;1466611098;ascii_deadfiber;if folks want to play 'corewars', why not
1487032;1466611106;ascii_deadfiber;they might even learn something.
1487033;1466611200;mircea_popescu;there's no "corewars" per se. there's the bloodied remains of the imperial hopes and aspirations. the problem with this empire being that it's not unified under a strong crown, but run around blindly by a crowd of decerbrated bureaucrats.
1487034;1466611251;mircea_popescu;consequently, the troop that got fucked (mit) is in favour of "defend this perimeter at all costs!111" attitude. whereas the rest of them (ie, cornell, stanford, etc etc) are more of a "this perimeter is not defensible, retreat and create a new one".
1487035;1466611288;mircea_popescu;there's obviously no stable solution for this problem, inasmuch as it's the nonsensical issues of a bunch of parochical derps. nevertheless, i wouldn't properly call it "corewars" either, there's no core involved. periphery wars ?
1487036;1466611328;ascii_deadfiber;i expect a shift of resources back to the 'corrode bitcoin' stratagem, vs the 'pump shitcoin'
1487037;1466611343;mircea_popescu;possibru.
1487038;1466611474;ascii_deadfiber;ultimately a dead or crippled bitcoin is the only hope the shitstains have.
1487039;1466611971;mircea_popescu;well, that or coldfusion trademarked by god.
1487040;1466612001;ascii_deadfiber;lel
1487041;1466612030;ascii_deadfiber;'trademarked by god' ?
1487042;1466612040;ascii_deadfiber;meaning, somehow available to usg only ?
1487043;1466612092;mircea_popescu;ayup
1487044;1466612110;mircea_popescu;in other news, perhaps a most interesting datapoint to help foreign mind comprehend local bovinity.
1487045;1466612163;mircea_popescu;so, the architecture design and practically & indumentaria (which is how you say "dumb etsy shit" in spanish) is one of the largest and most populous colleges in this 10-20mn strong town. this, obviously, because the stupid girlies "must get a degree" and they're not going to go into law, too much reading.
1487046;1466612192;mircea_popescu;there were elections for the student representative body recently, and an entity called "FADU SUR" whatever trhe shit that is "won them", with a shattering 45%. this means many many tens of thousands of votes.
1487047;1466612196;ascii_deadfiber;we have this here, they major in 'government & politics'
1487048;1466612214;mircea_popescu;these are the people with the "a pili la indigna la pobreza" bullshit that i mocked. more importantly, they also have a twitter handle, which they promote insistently.
1487049;1466612218;ascii_deadfiber;(obligatory bovinity: http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/39/main/2/13982.jpg )
1487050;1466612222;mircea_popescu;a total of ~500 people FOLLOW it, which brings us home :
1487051;1466612251;mircea_popescu;out of an estimated 30 to 40k twentysomethings THAT VOTED for this entity, a little over 1% BOTHERED TO FOLLOW IT ON TWITTER. notwithstanding that ALL THEY EVER DO is fuck around on their phones.
1487052;1466612278;mircea_popescu;this, as the foreign women stuck helping me out here readily confirm, is just about representative of the derpitude of the local mind.
1487053;1466612280;mircea_popescu;it just dun work.
1487054;1466612299;ascii_deadfiber;why would they add a derpy politico on twatter ?
1487055;1466612307;ascii_deadfiber;most folks don't add their electric and gas co either
1487056;1466612308;mircea_popescu;because they voted for it ?
1487057;1466612323;ascii_deadfiber;so?
1487058;1466612335;mircea_popescu;it takes one fucking click to add it. it takes actual walking and QUEUING to vote. it's two hours.
1487059;1466612338;ascii_deadfiber;they had selection of N idiots to vote for, doesn't mean they want to read their spew ?
1487060;1466612341;mircea_popescu;which is the point here : they're not people. they're a herd.
1487061;1466612367;ascii_deadfiber;solely from this description, i have actually more respect for these folk than for the americans, who obsess over their muppets
1487062;1466612374;ascii_deadfiber;and buy the 'books' which they 'wrote'
1487063;1466612386;ascii_deadfiber;'spoodje of my father' or whatnot.
1487064;1466612386;thestringpuller;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487034 << both options will result in heavy casualties. i think this is what the attacker wants. Everytime he makes a move on the chess board the price hits massive volatility. Now the bulls are emotional and pumping the price like back in early 2013 when MtGox became a victim of its own success and you warned everyone to stop buying.
1487065;1466612386;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 16:00 mircea_popescu: consequently, the troop that got fucked (mit) is in favour of "defend this perimeter at all costs!111" attitude. whereas the rest of them (ie, cornell, stanford, etc etc) are more of a "this perimeter is not defensible, retreat and create a new one".
1487066;1466612387;mircea_popescu;but why ?
1487067;1466612413;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller history is not a thing, they got social sciences to make it all right!
1487068;1466612419;thestringpuller;All the attacker has to do is take a very fine pin and pop the balloon at any time.
1487069;1466612468;thestringpuller;There will be a lot of butthurt during the halvening. The halvening may also mark the destruction Buterin's waterfall (in this incarnation).
1487070;1466612478;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-28#1440774
1487071;1466612478;a111;Logged on 2016-03-28 15:41 asciilifeform: y'know, as a boy, i was playing with other boyz in the yard and mentioned съезд кпсс , and they laughed. i learned lesson - for life.
1487072;1466612481;mircea_popescu;well, so far they have enough trouble trying to track bitcoin.
1487073;1466612502;jurov;i should be very careful when joking next time... http://www.exusiae.com/shared/agree.txt.asc
1487074;1466612508;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber so between a misbehaving slavegirl and an idiot slavegirl your preference's for the idiot ?
1487075;1466612522;jurov;deedbot: http://www.exusiae.com/shared/agree.txt.asc
1487076;1466612529;mircea_popescu;jurov there's no such thing as a joke omg!
1487077;1466612534;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: i dun see this layout here
1487078;1466612561;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber well, the muricans are behaving stupidly, yes, but at least there's some relation, however contorted out of shape, between ear and head.
1487079;1466612572;mircea_popescu;argentines are entirely unrelated, there is NO relation between what they hear/say and what they do.
1487080;1466612588;ben_vulpes;$key jurov
1487081;1466612589;ascii_deadfiber;jurov: i find it at least as sinful to ~eat~ an 'i agree, signed - X' as to ~shit~ it.
1487082;1466612589;mircea_popescu;they can't even signal turns. NOT for any other reason than THIS. they have no relation between action and representation whatsoever.
1487083;1466612590;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/bc034882-eb6d-4374-b937-8b595b4fd8c2/
1487084;1466612612;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber i was thinking about this too. so now we're going to saddle him with protecting the idiots. what is this, minidao ?
1487085;1466612667;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu would be delighted to learn that americans (at least around here) also aren't especially fond of signalling turns.
1487086;1466612699;ascii_deadfiber;iirc maryland state road law doesn't even require it, other than on federal highway
1487087;1466612699;ben_vulpes;i have removed side view mirrors for that offense.
1487088;1466612711;ben_vulpes;my local-as-in-my-ten-foot-bubble requires it.
1487089;1466612736;mircea_popescu;well, this is the true problem of political decay : society decays too, and in this precise manner. what used to be an ideologically-mediated disconnect between action and representation ("if you see a fire don't jump into it, call the FD, it's better that way) becomes a fully separated disconnect, mediated by nothing.
1487090;1466612738;ascii_deadfiber;if ben_vulpes smashes mirrors in view of md police, he will end up paying.
1487091;1466612760;ben_vulpes;portland police too! imagine that.
1487092;1466612777;mircea_popescu;he pays and then smashes their mirrors also!
1487093;1466612806;ben_vulpes;https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/4oeg4s/what_the_hell_is_going_on_in_the_colombia_river/ << local cops too busy with Pirate Island
1487094;1466612839;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487095;1466612839;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487096;1466612840;ben_vulpes;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487097;1466612840;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487098;1466612853;mircea_popescu;we going to do an indiegogo buy him some internets ?
1487099;1466612874;ben_vulpes;el pobre
1487100;1466612875;ascii_deadfiber;lolnet
1487101;1466612892;mircea_popescu;ascii_pobrecito
1487102;1466612896;ben_vulpes;lol
1487103;1466612903;ben_vulpes;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltVQ7veLzNU << entirely unrelatedly, i want to know how this 3d was done
1487104;1466612914;*;ascii_deadfiber 's hovel came with a large 2-horn dish. considered connecting it, subscribing to something
1487105;1466612937;ascii_deadfiber;also a smaller rx dish, nfi for what
1487106;1466612944;ascii_deadfiber;another ru fella used to live here.
1487107;1466613020;ascii_deadfiber;as it is, i'm sitting on the gsm modem fallback.
1487108;1466613034;ascii_deadfiber;(would buy something else, but i am not giving a penny to shitcast ever again)
1487109;1466613138;mircea_popescu;it's just fun to pick on you :D
1487110;1466613146;ascii_deadfiber;i'd bridge the 2 lans and avoid the ascii_misc_rubbish gymnastics but will need mechanism to switch off zoolag so as not to exhaust the gsm bw quota
1487111;1466613150;ascii_deadfiber;and can't be arsed thus far
1487112;1466613158;mircea_popescu;maybe tomorrow municipality decides there's too many people and you have to share living quarters, like the NY derps occasionally decide people gotta share cabs.
1487113;1466613180;ascii_deadfiber;kolhoz!
1487114;1466613196;mircea_popescu;heck, it's how everyone did in the 50s
1487115;1466613215;ascii_deadfiber;incidentally, when i lived in uni dorm the net pipe rocked and never failed.
1487116;1466613223;ascii_deadfiber;so kolhoz has upside!1111
1487117;1466613246;mircea_popescu;everything has an upside.
1487118;1466613251;ascii_deadfiber;(heat in the winter, water, toilets, etc. - failed. net - never.)
1487119;1466613328;diana_coman;ascii_deadfiber> (heat in the winter, water, toilets, etc. - failed. net - never.) <- same in my uni dorms for the very simple reason that the network was made and maintained by us, students living there
1487120;1466613365;mircea_popescu;^
1487121;1466613371;ascii_deadfiber;net pipe situation in usa is astonishing. when i was at $rupturefarm... this was a 'beltway bandit', usg contracting shop with princely budget, building had gilded doorknobs and other nonsense, but net was 'comcast' gas modem.
1487122;1466613378;ascii_deadfiber;which coughed, sputtered regularly
1487123;1466613379;mircea_popescu;the many republics before the republic. they all worked.
1487124;1466613389;ascii_deadfiber;folks went over to coffee shops to teleconference with clients, etc.
1487125;1466613419;diana_coman;we even lived at some point without a toilet door for about 2-3 months (they were renovating the faculty dorm building and somehow the start of the uni year had taken them by surprise) but there would have been a riot if there was no net for 1 day
1487126;1466613438;mircea_popescu;^ the "taken by surprise" is a term of art :D
1487127;1466613446;ascii_deadfiber;l0l like ru manhole covers
1487128;1466613485;ascii_deadfiber;diana_coman: 'toilet door' being the front door? or the stall doors
1487129;1466613496;ascii_deadfiber;(in usa public toilets often do not have a front door)
1487130;1466613539;mircea_popescu;i suspect it was one of those prison showers & shittery combos.
1487131;1466613553;diana_coman;more like stall door - we lived in a kind of 2 rooms/2 bathrooms thing (4 girls in each room)
1487132;1466613563;mircea_popescu;oh
1487133;1466613568;diana_coman;so on the plus side we had our "own" bathroom, on the minus side it had no door
1487134;1466613596;ascii_deadfiber;this existed in my uni, in a few of the houses
1487135;1466613597;mircea_popescu;lol. "on the plus side, i have my own kitchen. on the minus side, let's go eat out."
1487136;1466613620;ascii_deadfiber;but they would have 1 bathroom per 2 rooms there, and railway-style doors with 'semaphore' lock
1487137;1466613627;diana_coman;oh, and on the first day after the renovation thing I get into the room by pushing on the door with all my might and then I notice that the floor is bulging all over the place
1487138;1466613644;mircea_popescu;diana_coman that's good in case your high heels aren't even.
1487139;1466613662;diana_coman;I take the carpet away to discover that they had put it on top of all the bits and pieces of walls and whatnot they had gotten down to change the window frames
1487140;1466613676;mircea_popescu;bathroom carpeting ?!
1487141;1466613682;diana_coman;no, in the room!
1487142;1466613684;mircea_popescu;oh oh
1487143;1466613687;diana_coman;no door to push for the bathroom, lol
1487144;1466613702;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> lol. "on the plus side, i have my own kitchen. on the minus side, let's go eat out." <- that's the full story of uni dorms really
1487145;1466613703;mircea_popescu;dude... a bathroom all carpeted in shag!
1487146;1466613744;mircea_popescu;diana_coman the little bitches here are whining that "costs - by the sky, presupuestos (ie, "conditii"), under the floors". you should see the fucking place, i nearly wept for 1970s nostalgia.
1487147;1466613747;ascii_deadfiber;bulging floor... heels << or if you need to http://www.maplesoft.com/view.aspx?SI=6322/SquareWheelfor12_77.gif ..!
1487148;1466613747;mircea_popescu;EXACT same concrete.
1487149;1466613760;mircea_popescu;possibly made by the exact same machines, too, i routinely find ancient euro machinery at work here.
1487150;1466613785;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber actually, recall the ru keys ? lol.
1487151;1466613788;ascii_deadfiber;was it mircea_popescu who showed me what i was quite certain was an old ru key
1487152;1466613790;ascii_deadfiber;aha !
1487153;1466613792;ascii_deadfiber;was just about to.
1487154;1466613821;ascii_deadfiber;i had a gigantic bag full of such keys as a boy to play with.
1487155;1466613848;mircea_popescu;of course i've not seen any kids with the threaded key around neck here yet.
1487156;1466613873;diana_coman;myeah, it's omg almost abuse
1487157;1466613908;diana_coman;I think it might even be illegal in the US if I'm not mistaking? (kid alone in the street coming/going to school)
1487158;1466613917;mircea_popescu;oyea
1487159;1466613926;mircea_popescu;well, except if the kid's black.
1487160;1466613951;shinohai;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latchkey_kid
1487161;1466613953;mircea_popescu;depends, what's legal and illegal in the states varies a lot by where you live, the color of your skin, whether you're married to one woman or just live with half a dozen etc.
1487162;1466613972;mircea_popescu;shinohai exactly!
1487163;1466613977;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes
1487164;1466613991;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you dispute, mr hipster roll ?
1487165;1466614134;ben_vulpes;there are myriad small children running around off leash in my neighborhood.
1487166;1466614138;ben_vulpes;in my previous neighborhood as well.
1487167;1466614161;ben_vulpes;but i suppose this falls under "where you live, color of skin"
1487168;1466614189;mircea_popescu;i think so yea.
1487169;1466614210;ascii_deadfiber;also moneyed enclaves.
1487170;1466614234;ben_vulpes;current enclave is not particularly monied. there is a trailer park less than a quarter mile away.
1487171;1466614263;ascii_deadfiber;ben_vulpes: distance is not especially good metric. ever been to baltimore?
1487172;1466614304;ascii_deadfiber;they have 'black' streets with multiple condemned row houses and regular corpse removal calls, and perhaps 50m away there is 'white' street with $2mil houses.
1487173;1466614314;ascii_deadfiber;almost as if they had force field generator.
1487174;1466614333;ascii_deadfiber;no fence, mine field, anything at all.
1487175;1466614339;ascii_deadfiber;just 'understandings'
1487176;1466614353;ascii_deadfiber;which, interestingly, seem to persist even in riot mode
1487177;1466614358;mircea_popescu;sounds pretty fragile, a thing of the 80s
1487178;1466614364;ascii_deadfiber;that's what i would think
1487179;1466614368;ascii_deadfiber;but 0 white streets burned.
1487180;1466614370;ascii_deadfiber;to date.
1487181;1466614396;ben_vulpes;really aren't "not white" streets here
1487182;1466614398;ascii_deadfiber;(i have genuinely nfi why)
1487183;1466614506;ascii_deadfiber;but i have some clues. homo usaticus is veeery well-bred for parochialism. easily compartmented. i learned recently that there is a trailer park 20min away from where i live. but i have never once seen it, nor any of the people in it!
1487184;1466614523;ascii_deadfiber;they do not go to any of the same places, the roads are arranged such that you will never glimpse it, etc.
1487185;1466614554;trinque;no one goes outside anymore
1487186;1466614560;ascii_deadfiber;this would be perhaps why the 'blacks burn black streets' thing.
1487187;1466614577;ascii_deadfiber;because in their mental map, the edges 'here be dragons'
1487188;1466614583;ascii_deadfiber;aren't even considered.
1487189;1466614615;ascii_deadfiber;they would sooner think of burning the north pole, at least they can picture it on the map.
1487190;1466614999;Framedragger;can i up? prolly not
1487191;1466615000;Framedragger;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487192;1466615000;deedbot;Framedragger may not $up ascii_deadfiber
1487193;1466615037;Framedragger;such is life
1487194;1466615127;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487195;1466615127;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487196;1466615131;gernika;Curious re: above idiocy of mine wrt "I agree."  Better to deedbot a retraction or just start over with a new private key?
1487197;1466615149;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber so pick a bottle of wine, go knock on door.
1487198;1466615167;ascii_deadfiber;waiwut why
1487199;1466615169;mircea_popescu;gernika how'd a retraction work, you know ? think of the dao!
1487200;1466615173;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber the trailer park
1487201;1466615356;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486954 << for as long as nobody did, yes.
1487202;1466615356;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 11:58 ascii_deadfiber: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486876 << as late as 18th c. there was 'everybody goes wherever', no ?
1487203;1466615365;mircea_popescu;"anybody" ie huxley, not anybody ie orwell.
1487204;1466615370;gernika;mircea_popescu: jurov's suggestion was to declare the thing invalid for any use case in a deed.  It's not clear to me what good that would do.
1487205;1466615405;mircea_popescu;well, at least gives you something definite to point to
1487206;1466615473;mircea_popescu;anyway. if you're not too invested in current sig, making new one treating it better is certainly the golden road.
1487207;1466615557;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486970 << you know, the proposition that drugs enhance the mind is not so unlikely from the proposition that hanging polished stones of various colors, dead parrots and other detritus from the weights of a grandfather clock improve its timekeeping accuracy.
1487208;1466615558;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 12:02 thestringpuller: ascii_deadfiber: would pop when we own them << that is true. one of us would also be addicted to some techno drug. don't that have "intellect enhancer" in neuromancer too?
1487209;1466615687;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486974 << sure they are. what, you think the great piracy days of the 2014s are still ongoing ?
1487210;1466615688;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 12:04 ascii_deadfiber: and it isn't as if usg BUYS btc anyway
1487211;1466615693;mircea_popescu;they've been on a net outflow for years now.
1487212;1466615736;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486987 << think for a moment. what did the great general say ? "never interrupt something something" ?
1487213;1466615736;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 12:52 ascii_deadfiber: and force the derps to have a blacklist weighing a GB, in their idiot fork
1487214;1466615853;mircea_popescu;$up ascii__deadfiber
1487215;1466615853;deedbot;ascii__deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487216;1466615858;mircea_popescu;$up _ascii_deadfiber
1487217;1466615858;deedbot;_ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487218;1466615861;mircea_popescu;$up "ascii_deadfiber
1487219;1466615861;deedbot;"ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487220;1466615864;mircea_popescu;$up 'ascii_deadfiber
1487221;1466615865;deedbot;'ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487222;1466615868;mircea_popescu;$up #ascii_deadfiber
1487223;1466615868;deedbot;#ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487224;1466615871;mircea_popescu;$up (ascii_deadfiber
1487225;1466615872;deedbot;(ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487226;1466615889;mircea_popescu;ahem ? this got silently fixed ?
1487227;1466615899;mircea_popescu;nice going jurov :D
1487228;1466616009;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486992 <<-->> "what would you do for a drake's coffee cake ?"
1487229;1466616009;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 12:55 thestringpuller: the original dao is drained. but the attacker split into the whitehat child dao, so he can now start attacking
1487230;1466616021;mircea_popescu;ever more stuff for the "it never happened and hanno boeck did it anyway" machine.
1487231;1466616027;mircea_popescu;GEE GOSH LET ME SIGN THINGS BRB
1487232;1466616511;ascii_deadfiber;lolwut
1487233;1466616527;ascii_deadfiber;why would i want to trailer park wtf
1487234;1466616532;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1487235;1466616543;ascii_deadfiber;because what's her name
1487236;1466616548;ascii_deadfiber;'karla from california'
1487237;1466616550;mircea_popescu;i went to the fucking vagrant epicenter aka "design college" here.
1487238;1466616554;ascii_deadfiber;strictly for zoophiles.
1487239;1466616574;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu thinks that he is veteran zoophile but his 'cows' ain't fat.
1487240;1466616584;mircea_popescu;mno. the difference between domesticated animal and animal domesticator is that the domesticated animal only hangs out with man whereas man hangs out with random animals.
1487241;1466616590;ascii_deadfiber;i was in b-a, they all looked like actual people
1487242;1466616592;ascii_deadfiber;not so here.
1487243;1466616606;mircea_popescu;so catch them young enough ? i dunno...
1487244;1466616618;ascii_deadfiber;they look like this even before secondary sex traits
1487245;1466616623;ascii_deadfiber;how, i have nfi
1487246;1466616631;ascii_deadfiber;untermenschen.
1487247;1466616654;trinque;what got fixed? it'll try to up any nick you give it.
1487248;1466616691;mircea_popescu;trinque but http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487002 vs http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487224
1487249;1466616691;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 17:17 mircea_popescu: $up (ascii_deadfiber
1487250;1466616691;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 13:19 jurov: $up  (ascii_deadfiber
1487251;1466616729;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber i'd trust this eval a lot more if it were based on some experience!
1487252;1466616745;trinque;jurov: the fuck does that have to do with lisp
1487253;1466616751;trinque;you want me to put a regex engine in the middle eh?
1487254;1466616752;ascii_deadfiber;i dun have any experience chewing broken glass either.
1487255;1466616755;mircea_popescu;cuz it's the logs ?
1487256;1466616850;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber anyway, back to the topic of bleeding the usg : you understand that the largest loss in its history was ~10bn via MS on the subprime crap. this is already percents of that.
1487257;1466616879;mircea_popescu;the etherape easily figures in the top 50 most costly mistakes of usg agencies to date.
1487258;1466616902;ascii_deadfiber;supposing that they 1) bought the coin 2) can't simply steal it back -- i can see it
1487259;1466616909;mircea_popescu;it's somewhere around 9th atm i'd say
1487260;1466616936;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber that bit of irrelevance is also not germane. possibly ms "stole the 9bn back", via treasury fiat printing. so ?
1487261;1466616941;mircea_popescu;compare like things for the plox.
1487262;1466616950;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487263;1466616950;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487264;1466616980;ascii_deadfiber;is this something like 'liver transplant for a corpse' theorem ?
1487265;1466617018;mircea_popescu;no, it's just that if you write down the historical trade losses of usg agents to date, etherape figures way towards the top. this is more than, say, gaddafi ever managed.
1487266;1466617066;ascii_deadfiber;but not more than any number of their idiot 'own goals', e.g., the 'littoral combat ship'
1487267;1466617071;ascii_deadfiber;(not even to mention the f35)
1487268;1466617106;ascii_deadfiber;the f35 was pure embezzlement, the bloody ship - was actually built, expending strategic metals, labour, etc. of a whole pyramid army
1487269;1466617113;mircea_popescu;they're 3 to 500mn underwater, depending what exact accounting standard you employ, and on other things. this may seem like a joke to you, but it's pretty fucking far from a joke to them. and the fact that they naively authorised more funds to try and buy their way out of it because mp said "rape"... well. it's not even cautered yet, still bleeding.
1487270;1466617130;mircea_popescu;lol the littoral combat ship. o brother.
1487271;1466617150;mircea_popescu;the difference being that those scams go into buying harvard yachts ; whereas these losses go into buying isis spiked condoms./
1487272;1466617164;ascii_deadfiber;some 'creative thinker' decided that a floating 'stealth bomber' would be just the thing.
1487273;1466617165;mircea_popescu;this is a HUGE difference, even a 100/1 split is pure death.
1487274;1466617202;ascii_deadfiber;i can see this angle.
1487275;1466617209;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber they look like something from star wars, also. fucking ridiculous, how entirely inept, uncultivated and in general intellectually useless usians are.
1487276;1466617253;ascii_deadfiber;at this point 'looks like starwars' is probably de-facto design criterion for 100% of usg mil iron
1487277;1466617260;ascii_deadfiber;consider 'next generation rifle' or what was it.
1487278;1466617274;ascii_deadfiber;(m16 with 'shit hanging off', but to look like 'blaster')
1487279;1466617276;mircea_popescu;ridiculous though. star wars is a rhapsody in papier mache
1487280;1466617324;trinque;$key       trinque
1487281;1466617327;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5fed7d3b-e889-4404-8351-2ce3ddaa9364/
1487282;1466617334;trinque;jurov: there, be as floppy as you want, puny human
1487283;1466617345;trinque;:D
1487284;1466617370;mircea_popescu;lol.
1487285;1466617397;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: it was and is - hilariously - one of their few 'cultural universals'. ~everyone in usa has seen the film.
1487286;1466617405;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber see, the "LCS" officially only cost 80mn per annum. so like... they just fucked up the budget for five of them (iirc they only have 2 anyway) in one short week!
1487287;1466617407;ascii_deadfiber;and ~half - the continuation crapolade
1487288;1466617506;ascii_deadfiber;incidentally - and i've not been keeping up with altsc4mz - but, is it necessarily the case that eth price was propped up by burning btc ?
1487289;1466617518;ascii_deadfiber;since the exchanges are shams anyway
1487290;1466617535;mircea_popescu;anyway, the story of ther "littoral combat ship" really should be told. derps wanted a sort of "automated gunship" but on water, to fight drug people. ended up with a ship that's entirely useless.
1487291;1466617554;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber it's one of those things, "mp has no proof", nor is he offering any.
1487292;1466617564;ascii_deadfiber;fair'nuff
1487293;1466617583;mircea_popescu;in principle nothing ever happened and etc etc, i think we all know the drill by now.
1487294;1466617590;ascii_deadfiber;aha.
1487295;1466617666;mircea_popescu;holy shit on wheels, what fucking "performance enhancing" drugs must one be to design this shit omfg. have you SEEN these things ?
1487296;1466617684;ascii_deadfiber;only photo
1487297;1466617695;mircea_popescu;https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/USS_Independence_LCS-2_at_pierce_%28cropped%29.jpg << this must be the worst "ship" i've ever seen.
1487298;1466617696;ascii_deadfiber;but i expect the original will soon enough make its way to a museum
1487299;1466617698;ascii_deadfiber;where i can see it.
1487300;1466617705;mircea_popescu;prior to this encounter i couldn't even conceive of this notion.
1487301;1466617712;mircea_popescu;WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THAT LIP IN THE MIDDLE
1487302;1466617743;mircea_popescu;"let's build a ship so that if anyone hits it with a rocket, like the smallest possible rocket, like a healthy 4th of july piece of firework, it splits right in half and sinks in five minutes"
1487303;1466617762;ascii_deadfiber;in fairness it was not for people with rocket
1487304;1466617765;mircea_popescu;how the everloving fuck is this a ship
1487305;1466617769;ascii_deadfiber;but for smugglers armed with at most kalash.
1487306;1466617780;trinque;ahaha no one could've predicted rocket
1487307;1466617781;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber so it was for fighting what, women from the 1950s household ? with the hairdo and the apron ?
1487308;1466617799;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber smugglers have bazooka ever since rambo was on thirld world tv.
1487309;1466617801;mircea_popescu;ie, 1960
1487310;1466617817;ascii_deadfiber;if narcos ever nailed a usg boat with bazooka, it was successfully censored from anywhere i might hear of it.
1487311;1466617821;ascii_deadfiber;it isn't in their traditional kit
1487312;1466617821;mircea_popescu;are you fucking me this thing looks like it was designed by john oliver and a team of harvard educated brits.
1487313;1466617825;ascii_deadfiber;(vs african pirate)
1487314;1466617845;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber they fired torpedoes off submarine at coast goard while i was there in CR.
1487315;1466617859;mircea_popescu;locals shat their pants so bad had the us coast goard sail over from florida to protect them
1487316;1466617861;ascii_deadfiber;and hit ?
1487317;1466617875;mircea_popescu;no, out of range, likely warning shot. it warned alright.
1487318;1466617883;ascii_deadfiber;(of what did they make torpedo? out of old socks?)
1487319;1466617891;mircea_popescu;stolen ru diesel sub.
1487320;1466617894;ascii_deadfiber;ah
1487321;1466617896;ascii_deadfiber;neato.
1487322;1466617900;mircea_popescu;of which there's 100s still unaccounted, ftr.
1487323;1466617913;mircea_popescu;quite the kalash of its own, that thing, as it turns out.
1487324;1466617913;ascii_deadfiber;and the libyan ones went somewhere also.
1487325;1466617920;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1487326;1466617923;mircea_popescu;nobody knows.
1487327;1466617943;ascii_deadfiber;it comes with some of caveats of the jet fighter tho.
1487328;1466617959;mircea_popescu;eh, third world can fix diesel engines alright from what i've seen
1487329;1466617973;mircea_popescu;i regularly see ww2 benz trucks here. and egypt was chock full of ancient cars also.
1487330;1466618129;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber what was it, mostly foxtrots iirc.
1487331;1466618263;ascii_deadfiber;more than just engines on the thing
1487332;1466618287;ascii_deadfiber;the torpedo itself, for one
1487333;1466618394;Framedragger;http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/43486.html < wonders of IoT
1487334;1466618475;Framedragger;*of course* this thing will be using rand() wrongly, *of course* it pipes user input to system() so that you can pass commands after a semicolon, etc.; it's pretty amusing
1487335;1466618485;ascii_deadfiber;Framedragger: we had these - iirc - at $rupturefarm
1487336;1466618495;ascii_deadfiber;(there was an after-hours reversing club thing)
1487337;1466618495;Framedragger;hehheh. must've been fun
1487338;1466618536;ascii_deadfiber;not so fun imho. quite repetitive crapolade.
1487339;1466618542;ascii_deadfiber;there is no art in it.
1487340;1466618588;Framedragger;"It also downloads firmware updates over http and doesn't appear to check signatures on them, so there's the potential for MITM attacks on the plug itself. The remote control server is on AWS unless your timezone is GMT+8, in which case it's in China."
1487341;1466618652;mircea_popescu;what the fuck.
1487342;1466618733;Framedragger;their use of encryption seems to be so that lazy competitors would be forced to use their own servers; because there's not really much in terms of authentication, see...
1487343;1466620482;ben_vulpes;$up ascii_deadfiber
1487344;1466620482;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes.
1487345;1466620493;mircea_popescu;$up thortron
1487346;1466620493;deedbot;thortron voiced for 30 minutes.
1487347;1466620524;thortron;mircea_popescu: thx.
1487348;1466620532;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: seems like the 'littoral combat ship' is 500-600mil each.
1487349;1466620597;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber yeah i meant to operate
1487350;1466620608;mircea_popescu;thortron sure. an' who might you be ?
1487351;1466620615;thortron;Used to be gernika :)
1487352;1466620648;mircea_popescu;ah ok.
1487353;1466620899;mircea_popescu;http://www.juventudinformada.com.ar/2012/10/18/conoce-a-las-agrupaciones-de-la-fadu/ << for the truly dedicated entomologists.
1487354;1466620922;mircea_popescu;the best part, of course "the so-called "careers" of derps with degrees here should somehow matter in society".
1487355;1466620925;ascii_deadfiber;wtf is that
1487356;1466620944;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber that is the site of the student political groups in the Etsy University of Buenos Aires.
1487357;1466620956;ascii_deadfiber;ah the pilis.
1487358;1466620972;mircea_popescu;the pilis!
1487359;1466620985;ascii_deadfiber;these heat sinks have a very real function tho
1487360;1466620992;ascii_deadfiber;if not for them, could have actual boat-rockers
1487361;1466620997;mircea_popescu;cheaper than pot ?
1487362;1466621004;ascii_deadfiber;but now kidz can go to 'rebel club' and derp harmlessly.
1487363;1466621021;mircea_popescu;dude gtfo. these kids couldn't thread a wire if it saved them from bilateral amputation.
1487364;1466621038;ascii_deadfiber;could if went to beat-me-with-a-stick club and beaten until learned.
1487365;1466621072;mircea_popescu;also, most of their proposals are "bla bla with materiales al costo", ie, they want to be supplied cheaper cardboard to fuck around with while sitting on the pavement like the bums that they are.
1487366;1466621100;ascii_deadfiber;what were the other alternatives ?
1487367;1466621102;ascii_deadfiber;theorems ?
1487368;1466621129;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, i had a cup of coffee in the food court there. i was the only guy that bought coffee, everyone else was too busy with utterly revolting meat patties in wonderbread (SUCH an insult in argentina, this, that they'd eat the us crap) and fructose syrup drinks.
1487369;1466621143;mircea_popescu;they wanted THIRTY EIGHT PESOS for the thing. this is as much as it costs in the poshiest cafe i go to.
1487370;1466621158;mircea_popescu;yet it tasted like exactly what it should have tasted, which is to say week old army coffee.
1487371;1466621172;ascii_deadfiber;we have this here.
1487372;1466621181;ascii_deadfiber;it is called 'starbucks'
1487373;1466621192;mircea_popescu;how THE FUCK do they get away with it. i mean, they still give the bums the sort of stuff bums misrepresenting tghemselves as "students" and "With potential!" get all over the world
1487374;1466621201;mircea_popescu;but they fucking charge them what rich people pay for the world's best coffee.
1487375;1466621204;ascii_deadfiber;yer payin' for the chair.
1487376;1466621204;mircea_popescu;how. how!
1487377;1466621205;ascii_deadfiber;not the cup.
1487378;1466621217;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber i could have sat there for a week, free. most of them do.
1487379;1466621227;ascii_deadfiber;ergo the cost.
1487380;1466621228;ascii_deadfiber;amortized.
1487381;1466621243;mircea_popescu;i BET YOU that it's some sort of derpy "co-op" "al costo".
1487382;1466621273;hanbot;mircea_popescu they prolly shaved their best pencils for that coffee. lapices ain't cheap!
1487383;1466621283;mircea_popescu;good god.
1487384;1466621342;hanbot;cafe hb 6.5 or what was it
1487385;1466621381;ascii_deadfiber;cafe no. 2 !111
1487386;1466621385;hanbot;lol
1487387;1466621413;mircea_popescu;hanbot oh, the "door game is born" derp ?
1487388;1466621414;mircea_popescu;lol.
1487389;1466621432;ascii_deadfiber;what's the door game ?
1487390;1466621443;mircea_popescu;oh this old lolz
1487391;1466621445;mircea_popescu;lemme find it
1487392;1466621460;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2012/ciudateii-astia-cu-hb95-urile/
1487393;1466621470;hanbot;exactly
1487394;1466621618;ascii_deadfiber;ah i thought 'hb' was reference to a type of pencil sold in usa
1487395;1466621623;mircea_popescu;SO DID I!
1487396;1466621640;mircea_popescu;but no, it turns out that it stands for "Hot Body", as a sort of you know, scoring systems.
1487397;1466621652;mircea_popescu;you know that joke about the nuts at the sanitarium saying numbers and laughing ?
1487398;1466621676;ascii_deadfiber;aha
1487399;1466621716;mircea_popescu;this incidentally is a very interesting, at least to me, comment on the problems of code-in-society. because omfg, you're going to have implicit mark-up, really ? you gotta know what joke index <1k means ?
1487400;1466621723;ascii_deadfiber;btw this is not some oddity, but wholly standard, in usa you can say 'a 7' and every bloke thinks he knows what is meant
1487401;1466621730;mircea_popescu;while the other derps are seriously prepending tags, to alter syntax ? HB 9.5 ?
1487402;1466621738;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber but nothing is meant!
1487403;1466621755;ascii_deadfiber;not so
1487404;1466621757;mircea_popescu;i am familiar with "a dime", which simply means "perfect", which doesn't denote anything but thjat's ok.
1487405;1466621759;mircea_popescu;wtf is "a 7".
1487406;1466621761;ascii_deadfiber;you could just as well say that 'hot day' means nothing
1487407;1466621768;ascii_deadfiber;but - it does
1487408;1466621786;mircea_popescu;mno, that's not the right equivalency. the right equivalency is "you could just as well say dangerous day" means nothing.
1487409;1466621790;mircea_popescu;AND YOU SAY THAT
1487410;1466621817;mircea_popescu;both to the helicopter mom that importantly recommends you "be careful" (bitch - be careful IS ALWAUYS TRANSITIVE. if you don't specify the object i'ma slap you)
1487411;1466621836;mircea_popescu;as well as to the fortune teller who importantly prophesizes "things will occur and phenomena will happen"
1487412;1466622247;hanbot;lol someone tells mircea_popescu "take care" and: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/idea-pie.jpg
1487413;1466622272;mircea_popescu;uh ?
1487414;1466622284;mircea_popescu;lol
1487415;1466622304;mircea_popescu;pretty good lmao
1487416;1466622754;thestringpuller;;;seen jurov
1487417;1466622754;gribble;jurov was last seen in #trilema 2 hours, 50 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <jurov> deedbot: http://www.exusiae.com/shared/agree.txt.asc
1487418;1466622776;thestringpuller;need coinbr help
1487419;1466623872;asciilifeform;achtung, panzers!
1487420;1466623883;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, mod6, et al: zoolag @ 72.83.9.184.
1487421;1466623929;mircea_popescu;prolly should have a deed system for this
1487422;1466623971;asciilifeform;not like it doesn't get mitm'd every even day in calendar.
1487423;1466623974;asciilifeform;so what am i signing.
1487424;1466624018;asciilifeform;however an auto-deedbotronic 'zoolag is up/down' might be useful.
1487425;1466624031;mircea_popescu;something
1487426;1466624037;mircea_popescu;$nodes say
1487427;1466624049;mircea_popescu;recreating dns one step at a time ;/
1487428;1466624097;trinque;hm
1487429;1466624125;trinque;$node asciilifeform 72.83.9.184 zoolag
1487430;1466624134;trinque;er nick is unnecessary
1487431;1466624146;trinque;I crap out an encrypted OTP
1487432;1466624149;trinque;seems easy
1487433;1466624159;trinque;hostnames first come / first serve
1487434;1466624160;mircea_popescu;trk
1487435;1466624179;mircea_popescu;trinque then provide the list over web or somesuch ?
1487436;1466624187;trinque;yep
1487437;1466624202;trinque;and say $resolve zoolag
1487438;1466624206;mircea_popescu;it's a pretty dumb solution to a gossipd problem, so only if it's very little work
1487439;1466624229;trinque;asciilifeform: how far are we from the glorious c-s future?
1487440;1466624233;mircea_popescu;there's really no conceivable reason to have unauthenticating nodes in the first place.
1487441;1466624244;trinque;yep
1487442;1466624254;mircea_popescu;so really, either iB or outright TRB will have to have an auth layer for nodes.
1487443;1466624269;mircea_popescu;and a list of acceptable keys.
1487444;1466624842;thestringpuller;booo
1487445;1466624846;thestringpuller;i have to switch my node
1487446;1466624850;thestringpuller;cause i'm using --connect
1487447;1466624907;thestringpuller;In Ether Huffing news >> "People need to understand this. Your individual ideological beliefs on blockchain tech need to take a backseat to pragmatism. If we don't reverse all of this, cleanly and quickly, the government will step in and complicate all of our lives indefinitely." "Oh, and for the non-ETH holders coming here for the drama - this will affect your coin too. If you think that the SEC will make a distinction between BTC or
1487448;1466625045;mircea_popescu;ahahaha the government lol
1487449;1466625048;mircea_popescu;yeah, yeah.
1487450;1466625061;mircea_popescu;the sec may humbly gorge on my penis.
1487451;1466625089;mircea_popescu;fucking schmucks, listen to them go. "tmsr defeated our derpy attempt to bypass bitcoin so this means we get to regulate it"
1487452;1466625097;mircea_popescu;that boat sailed long ago.
1487453;1466625160;Framedragger;asciilifeform: btw lynx is able to load the large phuctor pages all proper and stuff :) not that this is unexpected, but still nice to know that the server-side stuff is *just fine* for sane clients.
1487454;1466625174;Framedragger;looks good, too
1487455;1466625327;asciilifeform;Framedragger: believe or not, i test things
1487456;1466625459;Framedragger;did not intend to insult :)
1487457;1466625480;asciilifeform;l0l, just that it isn't mega-surprise that things work
1487458;1466625567;asciilifeform;in other nyooz: http://blog.talosintel.com/2016/06/the-poisoned-archives.html << libarchive 0day
1487459;1466625712;mircea_popescu;ha!
1487460;1466625748;asciilifeform;out with the old nsaholez, in with the neeeeew (update!1111111now!1)
1487461;1466625844;Framedragger;ouch.
1487462;1466625853;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform about 1/3 of all spam is "zip" archives of all kinds.
1487463;1466625864;mircea_popescu;"here's my order, here's your order, here's the court whatever".
1487464;1466625872;Framedragger;"This means that to overflow the "unpack_streams" variable we need only have a 7-Zip file with the number of folders "numFolders" larger than 42 and then populate "numUnpackStreams" with sufficient values." heheh
1487465;1466625874;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah but this is quite different. no need to run winblowz and click payload exe.
1487466;1466625891;mircea_popescu;there wasn't an .exe
1487467;1466625893;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this is 0day in decompressor lib, per se, used in ~all linux proggies.
1487468;1466625894;mircea_popescu;there was a .zip
1487469;1466625897;mircea_popescu;yes.
1487470;1466626541;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://redlinernotes.com/docs/talks/opa.html
1487471;1466626544;asciilifeform;^ not nyooz
1487472;1466626546;asciilifeform;but interesting.
1487473;1466626590;phf;when i started using emacs there was an almost ideological aversion to DWIM in the community, instead of having say smart context "search" thing you'd have a dozen search-foo-in-bar combinations, and that was thought The Right Thing. emacs has long been dragged in the dwim direction by the usual suspects, but the vogue elsewhere is now dwiw, i.e. do what i want. as explicit/"want" gap gets bigger, you're going to have all kinds of attack vectors o
1487474;1466626590;phf;pening up
1487475;1466626630;phf;kind of goes back to asciilifeform's laws of computing
1487476;1466626660;mircea_popescu;phf how does this relate to "peasant found himself writing code for library other peasants imported for no reason" ?
1487477;1466626719;phf;code reuse!
1487478;1466626783;mircea_popescu;there is absolutely no conceivable reason the derps responsible for libarchive should have been "taken out of production" in the first place.
1487479;1466626789;phf;i think these are two parallel process though
1487480;1466626793;mircea_popescu;what's the sovietism for this ? when derp gets pass from his job to do something stupid ?
1487481;1466626818;phf;well, "libarchive" is already a systemd-ism
1487482;1466626847;asciilifeform;the crapolade is attributable to individual вредители in all cases, but exists ~structurally~ because of c-machine and idiot unix.
1487483;1466626870;asciilifeform;just like vermin are ~structurally~ baked into dirty kitchen, no matter who is the cook.
1487484;1466626875;mircea_popescu;how exactly does unix force someone to write code that allocates heap on the basis of what user tells it to
1487485;1466626879;phf;which you see all over the linux ecosystem. xpdf was taken out the backyard and shot to be replaced by libpopper which pulls 10 libraries etc.
1487486;1466626897;asciilifeform;phf: i ~still~ froth with rage thinking about this
1487487;1466626901;phf;:D
1487488;1466626918;phf;i knew that one would trigger you. i just discovered it few months ago, was so upset i stopped using that gentoo laptop
1487489;1466626940;mircea_popescu;kill one for each kill. stop using pdf.
1487490;1466626954;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i don't have this luxury. mathematics ~= pdf.
1487491;1466626978;*;mircea_popescu enjoys his privilege
1487492;1466626984;asciilifeform;[insert one of the 7 or so threads we had re this here]
1487493;1466627024;phf;there's of course no xpdf compatible client for libpopper, but you have your choice of KDE4/GNOME10 monstrosities
1487494;1466627155;asciilifeform;re the evils of dwim, one of mr mold's few technical articles, from the old dayz, http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2009/07/wolfram-alpha-and-hubristic-user.html
1487495;1466627158;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1487496;1466627177;phf;but i think the library problem is separate from dwim problem, where retards find all these levers, and go "oh i can rube goldber level 1 to lever 12 so that, but i'm missing an http client library to do this so i'm just going to bring in libweb and everything will be peachy keen"
1487497;1466627210;mircea_popescu;phf do tell ?
1487498;1466627267;asciilifeform;'el rapeshack' << win.
1487499;1466627308;mircea_popescu;for srs.
1487500;1466627338;phf;i guess the two are in lockstep. you get pdf in your email, you save it to file, you open it with xpdf. a dwim equivalent is to open it, dwiw style, right in the mail client. can't do that with xpdf (actually you can but need to read specs for x11, yawn), so make xpdf into a library, embed the whole thing into client.
1487501;1466627360;mircea_popescu;what is the concept "right in the mail client" mean ?
1487502;1466627393;mircea_popescu;if i awk | sed | grep do i read stuff "right in the grep" or "right in the awk" ?
1487503;1466627408;phf;exactly
1487504;1466627460;mircea_popescu;well no, cuz you left me in the dark here. wut is being discussed!
1487505;1466627493;mircea_popescu;this "in the X" windows user concept always baffled me. nigga, these are pieces of paper, they don't have anyting IN them.
1487506;1466627504;mircea_popescu;pregnant fucking planes wtf abstraction is this.
1487507;1466627527;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: from ui perspective, it means that it scrolls in the same window as if it were plain text. from an exploitation perspective, it means that pdf renderer run whether chumps wants it to or not, just by virtue of him reading the mailz
1487508;1466627539;asciilifeform;(a la microshit)
1487509;1466627574;mircea_popescu;oh, inline is the idea ?
1487510;1466627600;asciilifeform;aha
1487511;1466627608;asciilifeform;unless i also misunderstood phf's thing.
1487512;1466627620;mircea_popescu;do you ever want a pdf inline in the mail client ?
1487513;1466627628;phf;no, no, not mine, i explicitly use "in" as a windowism, because it's a thinking thing
1487514;1466627629;mircea_popescu;is the mail client inlined in the... syslog ? or what ?
1487515;1466627652;asciilifeform;in other nyooz: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-robotics-lawmaking-idUSKCN0Z72AY << robot tax!1111
1487516;1466627653;mircea_popescu;but this is a deeply broken manner of thinking about terminals, as if one's forever stuck on ONE
1487517;1466627669;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eu is entirely broke, news at whatever hour
1487518;1466627677;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on idiot os without meaningful composability - user is more or less stuck
1487519;1466627683;phf;there's a "mail client" which is a modality, can be inline, can be a popup, as long as everything's kept in same modality. "now i interact with electronic mail, what pray is this pdf document??"
1487520;1466627702;mircea_popescu;phf well... it'd be a popup. neh ?
1487521;1466627726;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: linked for the gold nugget: 'It also suggested the creation of a register for smart autonomous robots, which would link each one to funds established to cover its legal liabilities.' << dao!11111111
1487522;1466627736;mircea_popescu;lol!
1487523;1466627767;mircea_popescu;whole thing's incredibly stupid. fuck you if i'm going to pay a red cent to the "state budget". once i make a factory, it'll assemble its own tanks and fucking shoot the lot of them derps.
1487524;1466627781;mircea_popescu;there is no common ground.
1487525;1466627822;mircea_popescu;phf i'm not even sure what proper tools to talk about this in. so basically, you're discussing a sort of "nothing happened" for the mouthbreather population ?
1487526;1466627863;phf;mircea_popescu: i was trying to describe the kind of thinking that goes into the "linux on desktop" drive
1487527;1466627892;phf;but the terminology is lacking, so it's not coming out right
1487528;1466627910;mircea_popescu;i don't think anyone actually understands stupid people
1487529;1466627915;mircea_popescu;nor the amorous advances of goats.
1487530;1466627930;asciilifeform;and it is Bad For Your Health to try, even, imho.
1487531;1466627934;phf;:>
1487532;1466627936;phf;fair
1487533;1466627941;asciilifeform;re the robot tax, relatedly to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-21#1486075
1487534;1466627941;a111;Logged on 2016-06-21 01:13 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i found it especially entertaining how reddit folk (at least used to) believe the 'if only male birth control pill' thing would make any difference (if such thing existed, 'paternity' would simply get redefined, french style, to accomodate cuckoldry)
1487535;1466627967;mircea_popescu;anyway, the yarvin thing has a point. "intelligent" interface is exactly like "perpetuum mobile"|
1487536;1466627974;asciilifeform;'so you replaced mouthbreathing unskilled derps with robots that cost 1/10th?? hahaha, pay up, you owe the difference, what, you really thought you'd get to keep it??'
1487537;1466628017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sweet dreams are made of this, who am i to disagree. i own the world and its seven seas, every nigger's lookin for free dough...
1487538;1466628064;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at republican ranch : no code without crypto ; no factory without automated assault vehicles.
1487539;1466628153;mircea_popescu;ah perhaps notably : wa never went anywhere.
1487540;1466628249;asciilifeform;it was laughed off the stage as soon as went public.
1487541;1466628276;*;asciilifeform was in the closed beta, and l0lled when demo monkey refused to answer his questions
1487542;1466628312;ben_vulpes;wa?
1487543;1466628336;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wolfram 'alpha'
1487544;1466628340;ben_vulpes;ohoh
1487545;1466628344;mircea_popescu;wolfgang frumfra or w/e
1487546;1466628515;mircea_popescu;the sheer amount of idiots pouring into trilema since the etherape is unmatched historically. not when the doge, not when the ripple, not when the mtgox, not when the any other thing. where the everloving fuck do they keep spawning from and when is their mother getting her god damned tubes tied already!
1487547;1466628590;asciilifeform;iirc fetlife brought in moar
1487548;1466628602;mircea_popescu;notrly.
1487549;1466628620;mircea_popescu;of course, that's mostly because the fat ugly women composing 90% of that scene tend to write things on their sikrit livejournals.
1487550;1466628647;mircea_popescu;whereas apparently this is more like cocksure bois that really should be singing the castrato parts in classical italian operas.
1487551;1466629065;asciilifeform;in other lulz, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-new-york-crime-idUSKCN0Z7279
1487552;1466629072;asciilifeform;preeeeeeeeeeet will eat well.
1487553;1466629125;mircea_popescu;funny how there's not even the cursory attempt to bow to laws anymore. cracked shield -> searched car. problem ?
1487554;1466629156;asciilifeform;hey they canceled 4th amendment for cars in 1980s.
1487555;1466629158;shinohai;Preeeeeeeeeeeet caused a poor finance guy to commit suicide! >.>
1487556;1466629159;asciilifeform;what law.
1487557;1466629186;mircea_popescu;o, you can cancel that ?
1487558;1466629192;mircea_popescu;check it out, teh technologee.
1487559;1466629222;asciilifeform;it was a monumentally talmudic case, too
1487560;1466629237;mircea_popescu;anyway, they're petrified aren't they.
1487561;1466629239;asciilifeform;(iirc, decided that car was neither 'house' nor 'person' and therefore as searchable as they want)
1487562;1466629273;asciilifeform;also 'broken shield' was not necessarily true, but quite likely parallel-constructed
1487563;1466629279;asciilifeform;the usual thing is stoolie tip.
1487564;1466629283;asciilifeform;(and/or nsa)
1487565;1466629308;mircea_popescu;looks likely, sure. "rescue girl from drug den", homeboys watched too much true romance or what.
1487566;1466629923;asciilifeform;incidentally nyc is where they have the xray backscatter vans, recall.
1487567;1466629963;asciilifeform;(if anyone gave half a shit, it would be ~trivial~ to track their movements in real time from, e.g, toy chopper)
1487568;1466629994;asciilifeform;so quite likely we know now ~what~ was under the parallel construct.
1487569;1466630130;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-19#1302878 << thread.
1487570;1466630130;a111;Logged on 2015-10-19 21:14 ascii_field: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/216551-nypd-caught-using-x-ray-vans-to-search-the-public-refuses-court-order-to-release-details << l0l!
1487571;1466630168;mircea_popescu;mmmyeah
1487572;1466631600;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487373 << Because Etsy college is for making generation pass through expect the shit to be normal
1487573;1466631600;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 18:46 mircea_popescu: how THE FUCK do they get away with it. i mean, they still give the bums the sort of stuff bums misrepresenting tghemselves as "students" and "With potential!" get all over the world
1487574;1466633708;Framedragger;$s alt-right
1487575;1466633708;a111;4 results for "alt-right", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=alt-right
1487576;1466633729;Framedragger;i was just made aware of this term; i wonder if this may help me to conceptualize mircea_popescu in my mind
1487577;1466633762;Framedragger;...perhaps not
1487578;1466633793;trinque;nah, that's Curtis Yarvin et al
1487579;1466633868;trinque;Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-18#1137212
1487580;1466633868;a111;Logged on 2015-05-18 23:49 mircea_popescu: admittedly, i'm more like a 1700s mind.
1487581;1466633875;trinque;lulzy thread
1487582;1466633932;Framedragger;trinque: ty
1487583;1466633938;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-18#1137210 << aw, I wonder where Pili is now.
1487584;1466633938;a111;Logged on 2015-05-18 23:49 justJanne: let’s say it like this, not even the literal nazis had such a right-wing idea about society. And they are nazis.
1487585;1466634592;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: Weev is actually closer to canonical example of alt-right than Yarvin
1487586;1466634841;BingoBoingo; $up _FeltPen
1487587;1466634841;deedbot;_FeltPen voiced for 30 minutes.
1487588;1466634862;_FeltPen;Gracias.
1487589;1466635097;BingoBoingo;Pizdi?
1487590;1466635500;Framedragger;reading those convos made me recall a funny story: http://www.newyorker.com/humor/shouts-murmurs/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
1487591;1466635557;asciilifeform;Framedragger: about same grade of fine literature as 'Der Giftpilz'
1487592;1466635591;asciilifeform;http://www.pzg.biz/poster_poison_mushroom.htm << for n00bz.
1487593;1466635605;BingoBoingo;Oh lawdy, someone got triggurd http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/#comment-62249
1487594;1466635618;asciilifeform;http://www.professorgair.com/poisonous-mushroom-with.pdf << bigger scans, unfortunately pdf
1487595;1466635816;Framedragger;asciilifeform: haven't heard but from looking and inferring you meant it's shit, i respond that it's still funny to me!
1487596;1466635827;asciilifeform;'giftpilz' is also funny.
1487597;1466635833;Framedragger;k, checkin'
1487598;1466635903;Framedragger;heheh.
1487599;1466635920;BingoBoingo;Moar anti-trb pillz https://archive.is/QKFlx
1487600;1466635925;BingoBoingo;"Compact Blocks"
1487601;1466636016;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lel, part of the 'segregated witness' crud ?
1487602;1466636035;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: No, part of "no one had bandwidth" fearmongering
1487603;1466636098;BingoBoingo;In other news: "SCOTT AIR FORCE BASE • Crews were working to repair a gas line at Scott Air Force Base Wednesday. According to Scott officials, a contractor in the area of 2403 Oak Grove Circle flipped concrete material over that fell on a gas line and cracked it about 3 p.m. The cracked gas line was being repaired."
1487604;1466636101;trinque;https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/06/07/compact-blocks-faq/
1487605;1466636111;trinque;pls more complexity since I do not have 1mb/10min to spare
1487606;1466637640;shinohai;https://github.com/bitcoinxt/bitcoinxt/releases   <<< LOL they are STILL publishing releases on this junk.
1487607;1466639863;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i kinda doubt it. there's really not much common root between me and teh esl derps.
1487608;1466640087;mircea_popescu;trinque nah, the german chick was much too organised to pili.
1487609;1466640617;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487599 << for the record, a scheme to reduce chatter is unavoidable in the design.
1487610;1466640617;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 22:52 BingoBoingo: Moar anti-trb pillz https://archive.is/QKFlx
1487611;1466640653;mircea_popescu;one large driving factor of the low node count is exactly this ALL TO ALL nonsense scheme. if you have 1mb mempool and 100 nodes your chatter is 10gb. if you had 1k nodes your chatter would be 1tb.
1487612;1466641812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the way to be rid of GB chatter is... to have moar nodez!!
1487613;1466641829;mircea_popescu;no, if they just throw everything they have randomly at everyone you get exponential chattering-up
1487614;1466641842;mircea_popescu;the sane way is to have a negotiating mechanism AMONG AUTHENTICATED NODES
1487615;1466641846;asciilifeform;but, ultimately, yes - gossip mempool.
1487616;1466641852;mircea_popescu;but absent that, the prb solution (where p stands for a poor man) is well...
1487617;1466647845;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487613 << incidentally, this is incorrect. in the current scheme, node only broadcasts new-to-it tx. so after a tx propagates, it dampens, nothing exponential happens.
1487618;1466647846;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 00:30 mircea_popescu: no, if they just throw everything they have randomly at everyone you get exponential chattering-up
1487619;1466648101;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#2331 << mechanism in question.
1487620;1466648157;asciilifeform;which - whatddoyaknow - confirms that mircea_popescu was partly right, the turd broadcasts a random selection of mempool at all times...
1487621;1466648167;asciilifeform;this still doesn't lead to exponential burn
1487622;1466661458;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1487623;1466667961;felipelalli;Democracy, how I *love* that: http://dwarfpool.com/eth/voting/  :lol: it's fun to watch this suicide.
1487624;1466668042;felipelalli;Ah! Democracy. Thank you to shot the head of this zombie.
1487625;1466668090;BingoBoingo;lol
1487626;1466668109;BingoBoingo;felipelalli: You'll love the latest Qntra http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1487627;1466668131;BingoBoingo;fxd
1487628;1466668135;felipelalli;*love*
1487629;1466668138;felipelalli;thank you BingoBoingo
1487630;1466668139;felipelalli;hahah
1487631;1466668275;BingoBoingo;bagchain, because paper bag is used in Ether huffing
1487632;1466668288;BingoBoingo;Also because chain of bagholders
1487633;1466668300;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1487634;1466668306;felipelalli;Really, if I had my life invested on it and I were the 1.77% "NO", I would make a campaign to "the resistence" and ask to users change the PoW algo due to defend from this clear mining attack.
1487635;1466668317;felipelalli;lol
1487636;1466668347;felipelalli;they need a M.P. in their project.
1487637;1466668350;BingoBoingo;Ehm the name kind of did the project in
1487638;1466668365;BingoBoingo;https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4pflsd/sorry_for_your_harmony_an_ethereum_bagchain/ << I know you have a reddit account, have fun!
1487639;1466668393;felipelalli;why in Buttcoin? lol
1487640;1466668439;BingoBoingo;Because Buttcoin enjoys Qntra and there's a girl there with a serious ladyboner for everything MP
1487641;1466668488;felipelalli;lol
1487642;1466668562;felipelalli;That fork makes no sense at all. What shit they have in mind?
1487643;1466668641;felipelalli;fun fact: *no one* really knew what was wrote in that "smart contract". No fucking single person, even who wrote that. They just put the money in a tied "kind-of-immutable" contract that they simply couldn't read.
1487644;1466668645;BingoBoingo;They are stuck between a rock and a moving rock
1487645;1466668710;felipelalli;fun fact 2: in the "human readable contract" they wrote: "nothing said outside the code is valid in case of dispute. The code is the final word." lol
1487646;1466668750;BingoBoingo;lol
1487647;1466668789;BingoBoingo;Seriously what attorney at lol signed off on that?
1487648;1466668812;felipelalli;I just can't understand!
1487649;1466668943;felipelalli;a language like haskell (or at least a lisp dialect) should be chosen to build smart contracts, to begin with. It should be purely functional, predictable / deterministic, strong-typed etc.
1487650;1466669003;felipelalli;Ethereum looks like a mess made in a hurry to me.
1487651;1466669058;mircea_popescu;that;d be because it's exactly what it is.
1487652;1466669079;felipelalli;and the very-first millionarie contract (14% of Ether, lol) should be much more simpler.
1487653;1466669149;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: why they are so distance from the reality? They continue to buy this shit.
1487654;1466669170;mircea_popescu;who "they" ?
1487655;1466669176;felipelalli;ethereum community
1487656;1466669221;mircea_popescu;think for a moment how a shitshow like poloniex works. you make 1mn scamtokens out of thin air. you send them to a "margined" "exchange" website. you use the "margin" 1mn scamtokens provide to... buy 1mn more! now you have enough "marginable assets" ie scamtokens to... buy 1mn more! and if the price goes up... 1mn more!
1487657;1466669258;mircea_popescu;soon enough you're sitting on an account that is still worth the 0 it was worth to begin with, except that has also bought 10x to 100x of the same scamtokens. so... "they are buying" ? yeah, sure. and paying with what ?
1487658;1466669321;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: true.
1487659;1466669329;mircea_popescu;with any luck someone actually sends actual bitcoin to either "buy" the stuff to "mommentum trade" or else you know "short it". either way it's a win - your 0 value scamcoin attracted some actual money!
1487660;1466669411;felipelalli;and a "premined" coin (dev coins) is easy to inflate the final marketcap: I just create 1`000`000`000`000`000`000 coins and sell to my mum at $ 0.01
1487661;1466669517;felipelalli;the same as Ripple
1487662;1466669542;felipelalli;mircea_popescu: what time is it in Argentina?? It's late, isn't? Here is 5 AM.
1487663;1466669550;mircea_popescu;same.
1487664;1466669594;felipelalli;are you waking up or haven't you sleep yet? lol
1487665;1466669616;BingoBoingo;He's just back from enjoying the vibrant local nightlife
1487666;1466669621;mircea_popescu;i'm on the tail end of an orgy.
1487667;1466669632;felipelalli;o.o
1487668;1466669747;BingoBoingo;Ah, I guessed rightish!
1487669;1466669767;mircea_popescu;:p
1487670;1466669810;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo here's a hint at the greatness and grandeur of being a young male in a fucked up society : 90%+ of soypizdi correspondents are... male.
1487671;1466669821;mircea_popescu;you understand this ? that fucking desperate.
1487672;1466669866;BingoBoingo;how is that so different from
1487673;1466669874;mircea_popescu;i have like a feeling that if i offered them to wear a cock cage and watch quietly while i fuck the girls, more than half would gladly accept.
1487674;1466669876;BingoBoingo;$google they really are buttcoins nao
1487675;1466669877;deedbot;http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao << They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2014 << NEXT: 28-07-2014 | http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-satoshi-nakamoto-email-hacker-says-hes-negotiating-with-the-bitcoin-founder << The Satoshi Nakamoto Email Hacker Says He's Negotiating with the ...
1487676;1466669884;mircea_popescu;"hey, at least it GETS ME CLOSE to where life is!"
1487677;1466669890;BingoBoingo;lol
1487678;1466669914;BingoBoingo;What, do they not have home improvement stores in Argentina?
1487679;1466669927;mircea_popescu;sure they do.
1487680;1466669954;BingoBoingo;Well why aren't they helping the divorcees pick out flowers and paint colors?
1487681;1466669980;BingoBoingo;Or buying lawnmowers and making some fucking money
1487682;1466670020;mircea_popescu;what divorcees ?
1487683;1466670029;mircea_popescu;catholic country, bitch. abortion's illegal.
1487684;1466670083;mircea_popescu;seriously, when you're trying to represent argentina, think of a 1950s awkansaw that never heard of new york and seriously thinks itself "the jewel of the ozarks" or some such shit. in all seriousness, no self-deprecatory humour intended OR EVEN CONCEIVABLE.
1487685;1466670126;BingoBoingo;Ok, that's some serious delusion. Everyone knows Branson is the jewel of the Ozarks not R-kansas
1487686;1466670155;mircea_popescu;yawell.
1487687;1466670182;BingoBoingo;Anyways, widows then.
1487688;1466670195;mircea_popescu;and for anyone who deludes himself into fucking thinking that "women voting" and "divorce" is "what made '''america''' ungreat again", seriously, come to fucking argentina. they're just as dickless as you are and women here don't get to divorce anyone.
1487689;1466670227;mircea_popescu;nor do they need to. there's yet to be invented some manner of keeping the dickless from being totally handpuppetted out.
1487690;1466670279;BingoBoingo;Well women keep getting old anywhere you go.
1487691;1466670341;BingoBoingo;Anyways, what else can be expected when Italians make a United States further south
1487692;1466670598;BingoBoingo;In other news of Argentina singer songwriters now become "popstars" here at the age Madonna got old https://archive.is/uZ5Hq
1487693;1466670940;mircea_popescu;heh
1487694;1466672653;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all
1487695;1466672659;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 588.03, vol: 24200.57961702 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 574.0, vol: 20332.44345 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 592.04, vol: 138012.54523485 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 570.0, vol: 3.06378972 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 590.02752, vol: 100428.85400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 590.97, vol: 8380.2247805 | Volume-weighted last average: 589.72330473
1487696;1466674128;thestringpuller;;;market sell --fiat 19000000
1487697;1466674130;gribble;Bitfinex | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 294609.46 bitcoins for a total of 6705440.3944 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 0.0047 seconds
1487698;1466674179;BingoBoingo;;;goxlag
1487699;1466674179;gribble;Error: "goxlag" is not a valid command.
1487700;1466674189;BingoBoingo;;;buttfunex lag
1487701;1466674189;gribble;Error: "buttfunex" is not a valid command.
1487702;1466675082;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1487703;1466675202;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1487704;1466675333;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo tried not tired
1487705;1466675338;mircea_popescu;as funny as that is :D
1487706;1466675366;BingoBoingo;lol, fxd
1487707;1466675508;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: that's a great brexit writeup, well done :D
1487708;1466675515;BingoBoingo;thank you
1487709;1466675522;Framedragger;all essentials covered and well delivered, heh
1487710;1466675541;mircea_popescu;lol
1487711;1466675561;mircea_popescu;maybe articles like that should include an "editor's pick" and then once a year we could total how well qntra did.
1487712;1466675598;BingoBoingo;Anyways this is why people wanting to blog need to do it frequently beyond the reasons mp lays out here http://trilema.com/blogging-is-a-muscle-and-other-observations
1487713;1466675605;Framedragger;sounds like a good idea to me!
1487714;1466675607;BingoBoingo;you get to link yourself later for context
1487715;1466675626;mircea_popescu;it's not a library call if YOU WROTE IT ALL!
1487716;1466675630;BingoBoingo;But yeah the challenge is how to do editor's pics
1487717;1466675664;mircea_popescu;ps : why is "common wisdom" in agreement that "no man could possibly hold 1mn lines of code in head" when i actually have 10mn words worth of trilema articles in my head ?
1487718;1466675671;mircea_popescu;is this a perception problem, a language problem, what ?
1487719;1466675683;BingoBoingo;Its and encoding problem
1487720;1466675686;mircea_popescu;head ordinarily holds billions' loc worth, shit, we can even climb a stair
1487721;1466675714;BingoBoingo;But you forgive their eggog rate
1487722;1466675735;BingoBoingo;Seriouly defect has to limit what they can hold
1487723;1466675770;BingoBoingo;Like how alf fails to parse the jwz "just want to"
1487724;1466675790;mircea_popescu;hm.
1487725;1466675840;BingoBoingo;Some baskets hold water, others you get at the gift shop
1487726;1466676072;BingoBoingo;alf tried to parse the jwz "just want to" as an instruction whereas you treated it as a antifact of the broken jwz
1487727;1466676152;mircea_popescu;explain this one ?
1487728;1466676229;BingoBoingo;alf failed to pars the "just want to" and made a point of the statement not parsing. It's not made for parsing though because jwz just wants to. Nothing wrong with tossing around the "just wants to" as a string like any other though.
1487729;1466676256;BingoBoingo;Like any other string that doesn't parse to meaningful code.
1487730;1466676260;mircea_popescu;so basically you're saying natural language works because interpretable rather than compiled ?
1487731;1466676282;BingoBoingo;Also natural languages are strongly typed.
1487732;1466676296;BingoBoingo;strongly typed and interpretable
1487733;1466676304;mircea_popescu;how are they strongly typed ?
1487734;1466676365;BingoBoingo;Because you can quarentine nonsense as isolated strings and lol about them. If you can't do that they'd eventually start making you stupid.
1487735;1466676387;BingoBoingo;WHen you start kicking errors because "just want to" makes soemthing overflow
1487736;1466676413;mircea_popescu;just because the comment-out is communicated in-band rather than explicitly given as // or whatever doesn't mean it's strongly typed.
1487737;1466676420;mircea_popescu;it means it's strongly ambiguous lol
1487738;1466676425;BingoBoingo;lol, fine
1487739;1466676460;mircea_popescu;but yeah, this is a pretty good model. "natural language is just like a computer language that had no // or quotations." "so how do i know magic strings, and comments, from code ?" "your mother."
1487740;1466676590;BingoBoingo;Anyways, compiling would break everything
1487741;1466676632;BingoBoingo;http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/columnist-fails-gun-check-blames-store-owners/article/2594417
1487742;1466676750;mircea_popescu;i don't get it. gun shop refused selling to alcoholic wifebeater, he identifies as "journalist" and butthurts all over ?
1487743;1466676777;mircea_popescu;i suppose that's how the whole soypizdi thing should go, too. "no ty, you're a dude" "I AM NOT A DUDE I AM A STUDENT!!!"
1487744;1466676799;BingoBoingo;yeah
1487745;1466676840;BingoBoingo;Apparently they couldn't agree on which reserved words take precedence in the order of operations
1487746;1466676851;mircea_popescu;lol. and even better - he wanted to buy it, to show how easy it is. then it wasn't easy. but instead of publishing a piece about how "i thought it was easy - turns out it's not", he has a ...
1487747;1466676855;mircea_popescu;holy shit the brainrot.
1487748;1466676917;BingoBoingo;Using you loc allowance for Disney does that
1487749;1466677139;BingoBoingo;Tis the redditard way
1487750;1466677743;Framedragger;jurov: have you seen this - analysis of github users ssh keys: https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/auditing-github-users-keys
1487751;1466677797;Framedragger;this also means that potentially a large amount of vulnerable/shit keys have been removed from github since then
1487752;1466677833;mircea_popescu;speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
1487753;1466677847;mircea_popescu;Framedragger not a bad thing in any case.
1487754;1466677895;Framedragger;"After realising I have a public key database of most users on GitHub, I remembered back to the May 2008 Debian OpenSSH bug, where the randomness source was compromised to the point where the system could only generate one of 32k keys in a set. I used g0tmi1k’s set of keys to compare against what I had in my database, and found a very large amount of users who are still using vulnerable keys, and even worse, have commit access to some
1487755;1466677904;Framedragger;good stuff
1487756;1466677920;Framedragger;"... to some really large and wide projects"
1487757;1466677923;mircea_popescu;debian. heh.
1487758;1466677983;mircea_popescu;in other news, nobody uses ecdsa. considering what they spent trying to get people on it... such success.
1487759;1466678069;mircea_popescu;lol compromised in the attack : spotify, python core and crypto libs, django and ruby.
1487760;1466678094;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: if you mean "nobody smart", then that's one thing, but if you mean in terms of actual numbers, then i'd probably have to disagree. shitloads of ecdsa ssh host public keys anyway (stats and breakdown to be published at some point in teh future)
1487761;1466678108;Framedragger;gov.uk too lol, though no surprise
1487762;1466678125;mircea_popescu;Framedragger look at his data. 97.7% rsa, ~3% dss (!), ~0% other
1487763;1466678138;Framedragger;ahh i didn't look there
1487764;1466678162;Framedragger;ok good. so not much of ecdsa client-side
1487765;1466678208;Framedragger;would still be curious to write/find a tool which detects low hanging fruit for EC ssh host keys / keys with shitty parameters
1487766;1466678274;mircea_popescu;"However, a search on GitHub reveals thousands of results where code containing AWS secret keys can be found in plain text, which means anyone can access those accounts." ~ http://www.itnews.com.au/news/aws-urges-developers-to-scrub-github-of-secret-keys-375785
1487767;1466678298;Framedragger;i just wanted to quote this exact sentence lol - yeah another fruity area
1487768;1466678317;mircea_popescu;"if you let the sheep in, the sheep scent soon follows."
1487769;1466678338;BingoBoingo;In Bitcoin news news http://infocoin.net/en/2016/05/30/accused-of-fraud-bitcoin-several-us-security-officials/
1487770;1466678391;mircea_popescu;http://vertis.io/2013/12/06/unauthorised-litecoin-mining.html in other lulz.
1487771;1466678488;BingoBoingo;lol
1487772;1466678779;Framedragger;..soo, this generates ssh keys based on the broken debian prng: https://github.com/g0tmi1k/debian-ssh - github keyset has been matched against these - wonder about them host keys....
1487773;1466678783;mircea_popescu;romanian "nazi" press is having all the conceivable lolz because "the boss of the faggot jews" (ie, LGBTQ mission to Israel) is one Kurlander. (cur = ass in romanian, the poor guy's name sounds exactly on the money)
1487774;1466678813;Framedragger;hahahha
1487775;1466678846;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, they added another coupla letters to "lgbt" ? i wonder how long before it smashes the stack.
1487776;1466678846;Framedragger;etymological proof!!!
1487777;1466678855;Framedragger;also added a "2" it seems
1487778;1466678877;mircea_popescu;i propose simply W for weirdo.
1487779;1466678911;Framedragger;"LGBTQ2 refers to people who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer/questioning or two-spirited."
1487780;1466678915;Framedragger;2 for two-spirited
1487781;1466678922;Framedragger;for real
1487782;1466678929;mircea_popescu;(ftr : gay -> LGB (lesbian, gay, bisexual) -> LGBT (+transgender) -> LGBTQ (+queer) -> LGBTQ+ (+algo mas) )
1487783;1466678940;mircea_popescu;Framedragger are these the "fuck you, i'm a dragon" nuts ?
1487784;1466678953;Framedragger;seems kinda widespread actually!
1487785;1466678959;Framedragger;dunno, but well maybe heh
1487786;1466678964;Framedragger;hmm
1487787;1466678978;Framedragger;possibly
1487788;1466678981;mircea_popescu;oh, wait, there's also LGBTTTQQUAA! i kid you not!
1487789;1466678991;Framedragger;wikipedia mentions "navajo spirit" something something in connection with that acronym?!
1487790;1466678996;Framedragger;what
1487791;1466679001;mircea_popescu;or actually : LGBTTTQQUAA+PAGCBGVP!
1487792;1466679017;Framedragger;wowza
1487793;1466679148;mircea_popescu;incredible how much empty noise three people can make, especially should they be the sort of people who couldn't ever find a job, once liberated from the need to look for one.
1487794;1466679171;Framedragger;the navajo gaze seems to originate at least in part from an article called something like the navajo spirit gaze
1487795;1466679175;Framedragger;http://nativeout.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Two-Spirits-Nadleeh-and-Navajo-LGBTQ2-Gaze.pdf
1487796;1466679181;Framedragger;""My own work differentiates the mere intersection of Native and queer representations from a two-spirit gaze by noting a two-spirit gaze’s greater focus on traditionalist, nationalist, and activist representations of community-identified two-spirit images.7 Given a critical mass in two-spirit Navajo film and the strength of Navajo cultural, feminist, and gender activism, this article foregrounds Navajo LGBTQ2 gazes on two-spirit Navaj
1487797;1466679186;mircea_popescu;oh look, a pdf. because math amirite.
1487798;1466679190;Framedragger;"o images."
1487799;1466679199;*;Framedragger doesnt like pdfs either, ok
1487800;1466679209;mircea_popescu;navajo feminist gender activism ? what the everloving.
1487801;1466679221;Framedragger;yes for real
1487802;1466679235;Framedragger;article literally starts with quote "Two-Spirit people balance society, the world, and the cosmos."
1487803;1466679246;mircea_popescu;cuz so fat ?
1487804;1466679258;Framedragger;i suppose this is "fuck you am dragon" territory?
1487805;1466679261;Framedragger;:D
1487806;1466679275;Framedragger;provide solid foundation
1487807;1466679333;mircea_popescu;the notion that "navajo culture" is ridiculous on its face. it's entirely built on equivocation between the term of art (EVERYTHING noetic is "a culture" in say anthropology) and the common term (no, the united states does not have a culture ; even if it has a civilisation. let alone fucking navajo - never had one, never could have had one.)
1487808;1466679375;Framedragger;crazy shit.
1487809;1466679873;mircea_popescu;http://ctrl-d.ro/app/uploads/2016/06/e388bdd9-0bf0-4a26-ba03-02657f521b72.jpg << check out the golf club pattern! which mysteriously disappeared from all literature (ie, fiction writing) on the subject (as well as google, "scientific" paper search engines etc) after it was so humiliatingly debunked.
1487810;1466679875;mircea_popescu;IT LIVES ON!
1487811;1466679960;mircea_popescu;seriously though, one of the best meta-patterns. "this is how stupid people think things go." sort-of like the matchbox sign in clinical psychopathology : once you see the guy bringing you little boxes you know he's got Morgellons ; once he whips out the golf club patterns you know he's got stupid.
1487812;1466680185;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-08#1157231 << i haven't checked but apparently https://github.com/torvalds.keys is available? not sure if helpful at this point, if already scraped etc, and maybe this posses other problems (user enumeration, additional rate-limiting etc)
1487813;1466680185;a111;Logged on 2015-06-08 15:46 jurov: they have api limit 6000/hour
1487814;1466680265;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: heh can't find much on the internets for "golf club pattern" indeed, but also don't get its initial idea/appeal? O.O
1487815;1466680314;mircea_popescu;back in 2010ish, some derps from us academia came with "proof" of the (at the time still called) global warming nonsense, in the shape of a much-loved-bymedia "golf cross pattern".
1487816;1466680343;Framedragger;ah
1487817;1466680349;mircea_popescu;what they had done was, take ~50 years of atmospheric data, "reconstruct" on its basis about 100k years of imaginary history, then show on the basis of this projection rebranded as "data" that TEMPERATURES ARE RAISING!!11\
1487818;1466680365;mircea_popescu;they wouldn't share the model
1487819;1466680369;Framedragger;ahhh yeah, gotcha.
1487820;1466680372;Framedragger;oh, lol.
1487821;1466680374;mircea_popescu;then people hilary clinton'd their servers, and found
1487822;1466680396;mircea_popescu;a) a model that you could put anything in, such as the weighs or the ages of your past girflriends, to take out the same exact pattern
1487823;1466680425;mircea_popescu;and b) a RICO-worthy criminal conspiracy, replete with fraud etc, to marginalize, intimidate and if need be assassinate "opponents" as defined by a group of nuts
1487824;1466680433;mircea_popescu;(that were trying to take over the public spending in this field)
1487825;1466680435;Framedragger;yeahyeah the whole weather modelling in the future based on specific chosen parameters and models is hilarious, and gets regurgitated by media etc, i too have general aversion to this; does not mean that all of it is useless but hell if they don't show how they got there then that's even more ridiculous
1487826;1466680461;mircea_popescu;no charges were pressed, of course, because silk road is totally where crime happens, rather than the back offices of each and every single ivy league "college" / real estate scam
1487827;1466680478;mircea_popescu;Framedragger well yeah but this was a specific lulzpocalypse.
1487828;1466680487;Framedragger;from what i recall IPCC is ripe with corruption
1487829;1466680498;Framedragger;gotcha.
1487830;1466680501;Framedragger;lols.
1487831;1466680512;Framedragger;it's a yuuge industry
1487832;1466680534;mircea_popescu;Climategate, another thing that "didn't happen".
1487833;1466680699;mircea_popescu;anyway, for argentine as well as any derps who have nfi what "night life" means : follow along the fucking pictures http://www.clujlife.com with the knowledge that a) the nudes aren't published, by convention, but girls go naked all the time ; b) it's a tiny fucking town, half a mil population if the school's in session.
1487834;1466680796;Framedragger;right on.
1487835;1466680850;Framedragger;correlations remind me of http://i.imgur.com/3B0pt3M.jpg
1487836;1466681072;mircea_popescu;lol
1487837;1466684672;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487717 << mircea_popescu ~wrote it~. whereas nobody ever has or will write 10mil executable anything with own hands.
1487838;1466684672;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 09:54 mircea_popescu: ps : why is "common wisdom" in agreement that "no man could possibly hold 1mn lines of code in head" when i actually have 10mn words worth of trilema articles in my head ?
1487839;1466684707;asciilifeform;this is elementary.
1487840;1466684758;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1487841;1466684784;asciilifeform;two reasons.
1487842;1466684838;asciilifeform;proggy does not compress. head does not have the handy lossy compressor, as for human text.
1487843;1466684908;hanbot;lol kakobrekla is still in his self-justifying tailspin i see?
1487844;1466684914;hanbot;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-06-2016#1450871 << mircea_popescu
1487845;1466684921;asciilifeform;other reason is that most programmers don't write code in the sense that, e.g., mircea_popescu writes essays. instead, they take a shit, and strip away elements of the shit until the compiler is happy and the 'tests' pass.
1487846;1466684933;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but... why not ?
1487847;1466684935;asciilifeform;rather than as any kind of rational creation.
1487848;1466684941;mircea_popescu;hanbot eh, who cares ?
1487849;1466684981;hanbot;i find the hypocrisy outrageous. so i guess i care.
1487850;1466684991;asciilifeform;hanbot: he's been at it without skipping a beat ever since his shitburial.
1487851;1466685009;hanbot;"ftr when he joined this place, it was purely about business and so was he. later he was wrapping business in propaganda, which is tolerable, as the core is solid. now he is wrapping propaganda in business wrap, at which point it becomes intolerable for any reasonable mind." << i don't, for example, seem to remember the same thing. at all.
1487852;1466685079;mircea_popescu;lol. why's he keep lying anyway ? it didn't work the previous n times, gonna work next ?
1487853;1466685095;mircea_popescu;anyway, ima fish out "how #b-a started" later, it's like two lines.
1487854;1466685121;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: he's working the stay-behind folks.
1487855;1466685128;hanbot;for that matter Framedragger i start on that dpaste out of curiosity, run into "Getting out of the way: The most basic level is based on avoidingchallenging others’ delusions, and factoring them into your own thinking. The “organizing” merely involves arranging matters so things and people you care about are moved out of the way of an impending train wreck."
1487856;1466685130;asciilifeform;e.g., punkman
1487857;1466685150;asciilifeform;and the still-tuned-in #t folk, to lesser extent
1487858;1466685153;hanbot;maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
1487859;1466685171;mircea_popescu;hanbot nuca nu-ntelegi tu umorul &c. it's all a ploy!
1487860;1466685235;diana_coman;asciilifeform> other reason is that most programmers don't write code in the sense that, e.g., mircea_popescu writes essays. instead, they take a shit, and strip away elements of the shit until the compiler is happy and the 'tests' pass. <- fwiw I don't think that those are programmers
1487861;1466685241;asciilifeform;hanbot: what can i say, he didn't buy the 'seekrit evidence' and now sees mircea_popescu as вредитель etc. and very tiresomely repetitive.
1487862;1466685252;diana_coman;in my book programmers are exactly those who write code as a rational creation
1487863;1466685263;diana_coman;not monkeys pressing levers until the light turns on or whatever
1487864;1466685267;asciilifeform;diana_coman: there are maybe 20 programmers then.
1487865;1466685273;diana_coman;that might very well be
1487866;1466685297;asciilifeform;diana_coman: we had a thread re programming as medieval medicine. it is in the logs...
1487867;1466685303;diana_coman;in my days at uni I failed students precisely because of trying that idea
1487868;1466685331;mircea_popescu;no but wait. WHY is it that programmers don't write like mp.
1487869;1466685334;asciilifeform;diana_coman: it is now taught as official state of the art, believe it:
1487870;1466685340;asciilifeform;$s sussman
1487871;1466685341;a111;34 results for "sussman", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sussman
1487872;1466685357;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: because monkeys
1487873;1466685507;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487752 << prety sure this is in the logz: a 'submission' can have ANY number of moduli in it, because subkeys.
1487874;1466685507;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 10:30 mircea_popescu: speaking of that, asciilifeform any idea how it's possible that Submissions: 3305302 Known Moduli: 2708380 Moduli Waiting for Test: 3677 ? shouldn't these add up ?
1487875;1466685520;asciilifeform;including 0.
1487876;1466685530;asciilifeform;because shitkeys (dsa etc)
1487877;1466685613;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487770 << 404?
1487878;1466685614;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 10:39 mircea_popescu: http://vertis.io/2013/12/06/unauthorised-litecoin-mining.html in other lulz.
1487879;1466685622;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487858 << this i agree with! however, be it as it may i've never seen mp graciously accept to being wrong on some point. now, that *may* be because mp isn't wrong a whole lotta times, i contend, yes; but it's still hilarious to me (in a stimulating kind of way, fwiw). e.g. the chinese konspiraci thing, it was posted on qntra by mircea_popescu, and then later mircea_popescu says the theory is legit becau
1487880;1466685622;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 12:32 hanbot: maybe we're talking of very different people, or whatever. but i've never seen or heard of anyone more effervescently challenging of other's illusions than mp.
1487881;1466685642;Framedragger;now i know that some things should be taken in jest, metaphorically, generically, etc. still, i say "lol".
1487882;1466685652;Framedragger;"because it was posted on qntra."
1487883;1466685659;Framedragger;stupid irc
1487884;1466685697;*;Framedragger lunch
1487885;1466685734;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487809 << wasn't it 'hockey stick graph' ?
1487886;1466685734;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 11:04 mircea_popescu: http://ctrl-d.ro/app/uploads/2016/06/e388bdd9-0bf0-4a26-ba03-02657f521b72.jpg << check out the golf club pattern! which mysteriously disappeared from all literature (ie, fiction writing) on the subject (as well as google, "scientific" paper search engines etc) after it was so humiliatingly debunked.
1487887;1466685747;mircea_popescu;hanbot http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/ there, just for you.
1487888;1466685771;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was it ?
1487889;1466685779;asciilifeform;aha
1487890;1466685788;mircea_popescu;tis possibru, this.
1487891;1466685813;mircea_popescu;diametric well, how many students can you fail.
1487892;1466685834;mircea_popescu;i wanted to fail the whole philosophy 101 class. mihu didn't think it such a good idea. short teaching career  for me, thankfully.
1487893;1466685852;hanbot;mircea_popescu, tyvm!
1487894;1466685853;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487823 << mr mold correctly identified academia as one of 3 pillars of 'the cathedral' (lizard enforcers) - the other 2 being the controlled press, and usg civil service proper
1487895;1466685853;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 11:13 mircea_popescu: and b) a RICO-worthy criminal conspiracy, replete with fraud etc, to marginalize, intimidate and if need be assassinate "opponents" as defined by a group of nuts
1487896;1466685991;mircea_popescu;damn i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail.
1487897;1466686095;mircea_popescu;Framedragger was not here for the famous xor thread i guess.
1487898;1466686160;asciilifeform;the otp thread?
1487899;1466686173;mircea_popescu;yeah
1487900;1466686200;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i'm wrong all the fucking time, at least as far as i can see. i guess not usually on thosethings people'd much rather i were wrong on
1487901;1466686320;mircea_popescu;re the submissions : we couldn't have had lots of submissions without a rsa key in it, seeing how this is ssh set neh ?
1487902;1466686346;asciilifeform;ssh key set is about 20k in thus far.
1487903;1466686377;mircea_popescu;oh
1487904;1466686377;asciilifeform;(more, really, figure as of 2 days ago)
1487905;1466686394;asciilifeform;submission is the single slowest piece.
1487906;1466686413;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/HOMve re missing luke chadwick / vertis.io thing
1487907;1466686442;asciilifeform;ah lel that was in the logz
1487908;1466686459;asciilifeform;somebody crawled shithub for aws creds and cashed in
1487909;1466686469;mircea_popescu;aha
1487910;1466686508;asciilifeform;hit each chump for 4fig usd of ding , for a few bux return each
1487911;1466686519;asciilifeform;because why the fuck not.
1487912;1466686557;mircea_popescu;litecoin of all things.
1487913;1466686577;asciilifeform;at the time there was no scrypt asic.
1487914;1466686582;thestringpuller;wow. maybe theymos has something with his r/bitcoin moderation: "Please, never ever turns Bitcoin into a democracy sh** thing. Be strong."
1487915;1466686583;asciilifeform;hence litecoin.
1487916;1466686592;mircea_popescu;anyway, talk about "botnet market" bla bla : imagine if guy had where to use this, recoup closer to the 4fig.
1487917;1466686607;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: we had this thread also.
1487918;1466686608;thestringpuller;I guess education eventually works....?
1487919;1466686617;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform sure.
1487920;1466686618;asciilifeform;~nobody has where to use.
1487921;1466686652;*;thestringpuller would never expect reddit to not be idiots
1487922;1466686659;asciilifeform;and i dun think a typical chump is ever worth remotely near 4fig.
1487923;1466686669;diana_coman;<mircea_popescu> damn i mean, diana_coman how many students can you fail. <- myeah, I know; thing is also: they shouldn't have gotten that high to fail basically, not that many
1487924;1466686676;asciilifeform;not even if you have his bank acct.
1487925;1466686681;diana_coman;but I don't consider it a solution, no
1487926;1466686686;asciilifeform;not even as pig.
1487927;1466686719;diana_coman;I was just stating that I actually applied my definition, it's not just some random thing I came up with now
1487928;1466686720;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform his NAME is. he himself, no. but just like us soldier isn't worth the crap he took that morning, but us soldier dog tag is worth ~1mn or so on the ransom market...
1487929;1466686732;mircea_popescu;us programmer isn't worth his weight in pimple juice
1487930;1466686737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: but shallow market depth
1487931;1466686738;mircea_popescu;us programmer's credentials could buy apple.
1487932;1466686748;asciilifeform;usg will pay 1, 2 ransoms
1487933;1466686762;mircea_popescu;usg has to date paid 100s of ransoms.
1487934;1466686772;asciilifeform;over decades
1487935;1466686776;mircea_popescu;past decade.
1487936;1466686785;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1487937;1466686787;asciilifeform;i can believe.
1487938;1466686788;mircea_popescu;it will continue to pay. perfect ransom victim : cheaper to pay than not to pay.
1487939;1466686800;asciilifeform;but won't pay 1,000.
1487940;1466686812;mircea_popescu;it will pay ransoms even as it can't pay to import grain
1487941;1466686816;asciilifeform;and certainly not with actual money.
1487942;1466686817;mircea_popescu;the last dime it spends will be on a ransom.
1487943;1466686837;mircea_popescu;~exactly how it went for rome~ also. and byzantium as well.
1487944;1466686843;asciilifeform;printolade by the bucket - sure.
1487945;1466687813;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let me run by you a crazy idea that came to me in my dazed state we'll approximate by "sleep"
1487946;1466687854;asciilifeform;hm?
1487947;1466687864;mircea_popescu;suppose the correct solution to the "large systems" problem isn't exactly to use "strong typed" languages and in general, more minutely define the elements involved. suppose the solution in fact is to give up on the (nonsensical, in theory, and unfound in nature) notion of "unambiguous notation".
1487948;1466687901;mircea_popescu;let three lines of A code be ambiguously interpretable to mean 5 different things, so that a million lines of A code become a very clearly useful, controllable item.
1487949;1466687935;mircea_popescu;basically, instead of trying to achieve the moon-height skyscraper by investing in material rigidity, invest instead in a sort of... fault tolerance i guess you'd call it.
1487950;1466688006;asciilifeform;the 'fuzzy logic' thing was in style in '80s for a brief spell
1487951;1466688020;asciilifeform;until folks realized that you get soup
1487952;1466688030;asciilifeform;that is good for very little.
1487953;1466688046;mircea_popescu;hm
1487954;1466688061;asciilifeform;$s computers you can't program
1487955;1466688062;a111;4 results for "computers you can't program", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=computers%20you%20can't%20program
1487956;1466688062;mircea_popescu;but the basis here is indisputable : if trilema were equally sized code, i'd be dead trying to maintain it.
1487957;1466688068;mircea_popescu;yet as it is, takes little time to keep up.
1487958;1466688122;asciilifeform;mechanism dun compress.
1487959;1466688130;asciilifeform;fact of life, sad.
1487960;1466688175;mircea_popescu;how do you mean ?
1487961;1466688199;mircea_popescu;(and yes, i'm studiously not setting foot on the ground you suggest - because you'd vaporize my entire thing in five seconds. so let's sit over here where it's safe.)
1487962;1466688266;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487842 << in that sense. 1) we don't have the huffman table for it in our meat , unlike human text 2) well-designed program has very high entropy.
1487963;1466688266;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 12:27 asciilifeform: proggy does not compress. head does not have the handy lossy compressor, as for human text.
1487964;1466688278;mircea_popescu;go the other way : why does it have to be a mechanism ? god knows people'v proven time and again they're perfectly happy with black boxen that do something vaguely related to what they expected 80% or so of the time.
1487965;1466688298;mircea_popescu;hm.
1487966;1466688310;mircea_popescu;but WHY is it possible to have a huffman table for human text in meat ?
1487967;1466688343;asciilifeform;hyoomans have been talking for considerably longer than they've been programming..
1487968;1466688375;mircea_popescu;but i meant in the general, as a theoretical possibility. how the fuck...
1487969;1466688423;mircea_popescu;you could pursue your line, sure, "look, being genetically female is complex, which is why maledom is delta-encoded on one chromosome. speech is the same."
1487970;1466688428;asciilifeform;... and human lang is quite low entropy.
1487971;1466688437;mircea_popescu;but then... there's no such thing as "speech", and children of random parents can learn random unrelated language.
1487972;1466688533;mircea_popescu;in any case the historical argument is very dubious. people have nopt really been thinking ~in language~ before say kant.
1487973;1466688541;asciilifeform;human meat has some very spiffy coprocessor for speech, etc. but it doesn't actually help so much with writing program (and often actively hinders)
1487974;1466688544;mircea_popescu;they sure as fuck haven't before the greeks or w/e, that's not millions opf years.
1487975;1466688569;asciilifeform;recall the hypertalk thread?
1487976;1466688576;asciilifeform;$s hypertalk
1487977;1466688576;a111;7 results for "hypertalk", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hypertalk
1487978;1466688601;asciilifeform;^ any of them
1487979;1466688631;mircea_popescu;aha.
1487980;1466688683;mircea_popescu;i dunno, don't get me wrong, fucking larry drove me nuts, "open door", seriously ?
1487981;1466688690;mircea_popescu;but that's not really what;s contemplated here.
1487982;1466688722;asciilifeform;greeks, kant, et al --> ~unambiguous~,  deliberate language. definitely doesn't come from factory in hyooman firmware, has to be installed aftermarket.
1487983;1466688764;asciilifeform;firmware ships with bamboozling, prayer, monkey grunts, 'i didnt fuck him', 'cheque is in the mail' language processor.
1487984;1466688865;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what specifically is contemplated here..?
1487985;1466688965;asciilifeform;would mircea_popescu like, e.g., pgptron, that maybe-multiplies some maybe-primes if it feels like it hat day in its sim-menstrualcycle?
1487986;1466688977;asciilifeform;*that
1487987;1466688999;mircea_popescu;nothing actionable or useful that i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes.
1487988;1466689000;asciilifeform;or how about a lift that maybe-goes down or maybe-up
1487989;1466689022;mircea_popescu;so it seems to me that perhaps we could say "obviously" the more strictly defined a language gets, the more catastrophic the necessary collapse of its large scale systems.
1487990;1466689041;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487950 << for a brief spell only? i think there now may exist some inference systems which work on floating point / probabilistic truth-values? weasel words, would need to check, but wouldn't have thought it to have been a "brief spell" only?
1487991;1466689041;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 13:20 asciilifeform: the 'fuzzy logic' thing was in style in '80s for a brief spell
1487992;1466689055;mircea_popescu;(and in this sense, i view eg the debian key disaster thing as collapse, exactly like the tay bridge failure say)
1487993;1466689058;Framedragger;alsoalso, graham priest's paraconsistent logic is an interesting thing.
1487994;1466689074;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: to an extent we have this. consider naggum's c++ liars essay.
1487995;1466689088;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as an ideal output, i would like a debian distro that says "you can't possibly mean to make these keys out of 32k sets ?!"
1487996;1466689101;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1487702    <<< Since he handily provided his twitter I decided to troll xD
1487997;1466689102;mircea_popescu;which essay is that again ?
1487998;1466689102;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 09:44 deedbot: [Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1487999;1466689124;diana_coman;mircea_popescu> nothing actionable or useful that i can discern. just the simple observation that a) code the size of the body of work of respected past intellectuals is not maintainable by teams or individuals, while the writings were maintainable by the author solo ; b) the correct solution to scale is not increase in rigidity, but flexibility. which is how skyscrapers work or japan defends from earthquakes. <- fwiw the diffe
1488000;1466689124;diana_coman;rence there is that "team of individuals" is pointedly not the original author
1488001;1466689129;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3103356827666810@naggum.no.html
1488002;1466689145;mircea_popescu;shinohai bet you he's gonna swallow the "nigger" thing without looking.
1488003;1466689147;diana_coman;in same vein, a team is not able to maintain the body of work of respected past intellectual, sure
1488004;1466689155;asciilifeform;and diana_coman has it.
1488005;1466689198;diana_coman;add to that the fact that the equivalent would be not exactly trying to maintain the work, but rather trying to maintain some layers of slime built on top of the work
1488006;1466689216;Framedragger;(in paraconsistent systems, they try to "contain" cases when `p && ~p`. normally by principle of explosion you can prove anything (`1. p. 2. p || q [from 1, disjunctive addition.] 3. ~p [given.] 4. q [from 2. and 3.]`). these systems remove one or another inference rule (e.g. that p || q may follow from p, or double negation, or something else), or *suspend* it, in the fashion that some equations may have complex numbers as intermediary 
1488007;1466689219;mircea_popescu;diana_coman irl it worked as, to quote famous wilde tidbit, "i leave it to you to to fix the here's and there's".
1488008;1466689229;Framedragger;values, but the imaginary terms get eventually nulled before the final solution.
1488009;1466689232;mircea_popescu;so really, was team. author, editor, 2 people at least.
1488010;1466689234;asciilifeform;and yes there is a transition-to-layers-of-slime point where the programmers give up on simplification and start piling up crud
1488011;1466689243;diana_coman;sure, but they did not touch the core
1488012;1466689246;Framedragger;^ maybe not even related that much, just intersting
1488013;1466689249;diana_coman;leave the GUI to the team, sure
1488014;1466689274;mircea_popescu;diana_coman this is a dubious assertion, in the same vein we could say "ian murdock did the work, rest did gui" or w/e.
1488015;1466689281;mircea_popescu;maybe it stands, but seems unreliable.
1488016;1466689319;mircea_popescu;from my brief stint in publishing, i wouldn't swear the expert editor is less a contributor in the average book than the average author.
1488017;1466689339;mircea_popescu;but then again that's the sort of why an' wherefore the kids think i'm an asshole.
1488018;1466689343;asciilifeform;^ because human text is low-entropy.
1488019;1466689375;asciilifeform;go and cut from program. if well-written, will take you whole life.
1488020;1466689378;diana_coman;I don't quite follow your analogy there I think
1488021;1466689382;diana_coman;have code editors, sure
1488022;1466689386;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you go cut from shakespeare!!!1
1488023;1466689390;diana_coman;if that's what you mean
1488024;1466689391;asciilifeform;(if satoshi's - a few months)
1488025;1466689395;Framedragger;(what's nice with these paraconsistent systems is that they may not crumble down when encountering some or other kind of logical paradox.) </weird-rant>
1488026;1466689413;mircea_popescu;you know, by the way, re my recent failed attempt to interact with the master, i found last week a notation from romania's genius poet EXPLAINIG THE SAME THING ?
1488027;1466689451;mircea_popescu;apparently this was known by 2oyear olds in the 1800s. nuts.
1488028;1466689452;asciilifeform;Framedragger: it's a dodge.
1488029;1466689457;diana_coman;I never quite got what you had so much against eminovici really
1488030;1466689463;mircea_popescu;i did ?
1488031;1466689473;asciilifeform;Framedragger: you don't get a free pass from godel by using floating point.
1488032;1466689474;diana_coman;that's how it came across at least then
1488033;1466689506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which same thing?
1488034;1466689542;mircea_popescu;diana_coman i can't stand his conventional bullshit. he dared criticise (young) caraqiale for "poor morals" in plays ? the schmuck borrowed on his income months in advance to dress up and bullshit like that. he has a massive vein of "never got over mom" that i loathe in writers.
1488035;1466689549;Framedragger;asciilifeform: not necessarily from godel! some kind of diagonalization may be reconstructed, i'm sure/heard. but being able to handle some classes or problems is interesting in itself.
1488036;1466689549;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "can't cut from shakespeare"
1488037;1466689562;mircea_popescu;i shall produce exact quote, a sec
1488038;1466689576;Framedragger;asciilifeform: tackling godel's two theorems is another kind/level of undertaking, prolly...
1488039;1466689614;mircea_popescu;actually, ima have to translate this. will put on trilema in a second. also gotta re-read this naggum... you folks have overwhelmed my real time processing, ima go bsod now and bbl.
1488040;1466689635;*;asciilifeform goes for coffee , also bbl
1488041;1466689635;*;Framedragger back to $work..
1488042;1466689639;Framedragger;heh
1488043;1466689696;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1488044;1466690375;shinohai;mircea_popescu, reply: https://twitter.com/phildaian/status/745977447233921024
1488045;1466690612;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ok, the "fucking hell who ever heard of a program that wants you to specify what you don't know" essay. i recall it, and imo it is very much substantial to my complaint.
1488046;1466690635;mircea_popescu;MOST of the power of trilema relies on exactly this, that I don't have to IFDEF and DECLARE and whatnot.
1488047;1466690707;mircea_popescu;which allows me to say intelligent things in such a way that pyramids many sayings deep can be effortlessly constructed, retain meaning and even nurture new meaning, and in general have all the attributes of art.
1488048;1466690728;mircea_popescu;if a software project did as much importing as the average trilema article does, it'd be openssh.
1488049;1466691081;Framedragger;this somehow reminded me of erlang's "don't be afraid to fail / fail fast" approach: for something to fail / cause exception is OK, always make sure there's something supervising and containing the failure etc. https://tkowal.wordpress.com/2015/10/20/failing-fast-and-slow-in-erlang-and-elixir/ (may not be a great writeup, but has l33t pic with triangle)
1488050;1466691121;mircea_popescu;that's kind-of a different level though. what does it even mean "to fail".
1488051;1466691163;mircea_popescu;when i teach my not-so-new-anymore slavegirls how to think, a large chunk consists of "interpreting what is said" which all revolves around "build tree of all possible meanings, prune all meanings contradicted".
1488052;1466691187;mircea_popescu;it's shocking how little the school system does to teach anyone anything. but anyway - what the program MEANS should be decided on the basis of what it can't possibly fucking mean,
1488053;1466691202;mircea_popescu;and i don't think it is ever acceptable for machine to make shitty rsa keys "because that's what i told it to".
1488054;1466691212;mircea_popescu;if slavegirl attempts this she gets double-whipped.
1488055;1466691212;Framedragger;yeah that's a different point, sure, and a good one it seems
1488056;1466691330;Framedragger;the case with rsa keys - it would be very difficult to write it up / interpret it as per your idea though, i think? unless the case was explicitly declared before, and that would break the whole idea (negative meaning, not (only) positive/exhaustive meaning)
1488057;1466691354;mircea_popescu;and no, this isn't cheap "do what i mean"-ism. when i say "the flower is blue and round is the sky", the notion that the flower is ROUND is invalidated not by what I mean, but by what everything means.
1488058;1466691368;mircea_popescu;Framedragger it's clear to me that in present computing paradigm it is outright impossible.
1488059;1466691398;mircea_popescu;which is why i'm saying, there's not much actionable here. but just because i dunno what to do with it doesn't mean i don't get drunk and dream.
1488060;1466691410;Framedragger;fosho.
1488061;1466691469;Framedragger;..some kind of generic knowledge tree processing thing / semantic systems. someone must have made a small stab at this.. i mean there are natural language processing toolkits which build up context and work beyond straightforward syntax.. i don't know how well they are doing
1488062;1466691478;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488052 << this #includes dwim.
1488063;1466691478;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 14:13 mircea_popescu: it's shocking how little the school system does to teach anyone anything. but anyway - what the program MEANS should be decided on the basis of what it can't possibly fucking mean,
1488064;1466691488;asciilifeform;'can't possibly mean' is not a thing
1488065;1466691499;asciilifeform;because meaning of a program is not contained wholly in the program.
1488066;1466691513;mircea_popescu;because the major trick here is - what i say isn't ACTUALLY ambiguous. it just requires very fine interpretation, which meshes well with a machine. in any case meshes well with the epistemic process that makes people engineers,
1488067;1466691523;Framedragger;1. all turtles are green. 2. bob is a turtle. 3. bob is red. => spit out contradiction / choice of rejecting one of these. if additional premises are made which connect to the former ones, then decide which to reject quantitatively, or something.
1488068;1466691526;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1488069;1466691526;mircea_popescu;as proven by the fact that the girls in question start acting like one even if not specifically trained to be one.
1488070;1466691540;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform diana_coman ^ bit from earlier.
1488071;1466691570;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "can't possibly mean" is totally a thing.
1488072;1466691571;asciilifeform;Framedragger: 'prolog' is a thing. but seldom used for everyday programming because it removes the programmer's ability to reason about COST
1488073;1466691579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not a thing the machine can ever resolve.
1488074;1466691585;mircea_popescu;why not ?
1488075;1466691597;Framedragger;asciilifeform: so i've heard! never approached it, sadly / to my detriment
1488076;1466691605;asciilifeform;because how the fuck does machine know what the operator wants
1488077;1466691612;asciilifeform;other than by being UNAMBIGUOUSLY told.
1488078;1466691612;mircea_popescu;meaning is not a matter of want.
1488079;1466691629;mircea_popescu;what things can't mean is a matter OF CONTEXT
1488080;1466691635;mircea_popescu;not of "want". it's not a product of intension.
1488081;1466691637;asciilifeform;didn't we ~just the other day~ have a 'hole hawg' thread ?
1488082;1466691645;asciilifeform;complete with mr mold's wolfram alpha essay
1488083;1466691651;mircea_popescu;we did. it probably explains a lot of my sufferances.
1488084;1466691665;asciilifeform;where we conclusively, imho, nailed the 'smart tools' idiocy
1488085;1466691672;mircea_popescu;nevertheless - that shit's written in c
1488086;1466691674;asciilifeform;tool should be as predictable as possible.
1488087;1466691675;mircea_popescu;of course it dun work.
1488088;1466691692;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform my slavegirls aren't tools, they're people. why should my computers be tools ? i've only two hands.
1488089;1466691712;asciilifeform;i expect mircea_popescu doesn't use gurlz as hammers either
1488090;1466691714;asciilifeform;or as can openers.
1488091;1466691716;asciilifeform;or scissors.
1488092;1466691731;Framedragger;..prolly easier to wait for generic a.i. and then just have it mesh with brainz, heh.
1488093;1466691736;asciilifeform;and doesn't fuck hammers, conversely.
1488094;1466691744;mircea_popescu;(ftr, this school of "Slave should be tool - simple as possible" exists, and its product is outrageous and ridiculous by turns. they do think themselves "the real" bdsm people though, against the method-acting larger set (hint : if the word "scene" is mentioned - method actors))
1488095;1466691753;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform I DO! ALL THE TIME!
1488096;1466691757;asciilifeform;l0l!
1488097;1466691761;mircea_popescu;"open that can!" "Smash that wall!" etc.
1488098;1466691769;asciilifeform;open with bare hands ?
1488099;1466691775;mircea_popescu;i do not specify!
1488100;1466691782;mircea_popescu;which is the fucking point.
1488101;1466691793;mircea_popescu;ask me "with what", get to see my samuel l jackson face
1488102;1466691806;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is pretty rich literature of tales re djinn etc who carry out literal words to comical disaster.
1488103;1466691814;mircea_popescu;surely.
1488104;1466691818;asciilifeform;quite anticipatory of computer.
1488105;1466691823;mircea_popescu;dearth of stories of whipped djinn
1488106;1466691835;mircea_popescu;as in the joke with the romanian police and the bear, "give me this djinn for a week"
1488107;1466691995;mircea_popescu;now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out, i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
1488108;1466692021;mircea_popescu;and yes, the google "ai" rule based bs is giving a bad name to all this, but abstracting the usg.idiots for a second, before we throw out the bath
1488109;1466692134;Framedragger;there was a post about statistical/ML approach vs. (one of) rule-based approach(es) just recently, i haven't read it yet, http://norvig.com/chomsky.html (inb4 ad hominem alf's norvig iz usg pawn :P )
1488110;1466692159;Framedragger;(recent linking/post, content itself not new)
1488111;1466692212;Framedragger;(e.g. i agree with chomsky's "There is a notion of success ... which I think is novel in the history of science. It interprets success as approximating unanalyzed data." which does indeed suck.)
1488112;1466692241;mircea_popescu;$s "amelia bedelia"
1488113;1466692241;a111;2 results for "\"amelia bedelia\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22amelia%20bedelia%22
1488114;1466692249;mircea_popescu;dude seriously everything's in the log.
1488115;1466692260;mircea_popescu;anyway. currently computers seem to me a sort of AB - alpha.
1488116;1466692442;mircea_popescu;Framedragger for the record, you found the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1486741 reference.
1488117;1466692442;a111;Logged on 2016-06-22 04:02 mircea_popescu: yeah. but that doesn't change the fact the ~only intellectual in the entire north of the continent is that old jew talking to himself in a room.
1488118;1466692444;diana_coman;imo you are on to something else there; computers at the moment are tools, hence programmed like tools and this is not something one can solve at programming level (hey, let's start training computers now and they will learn!)
1488119;1466692463;mircea_popescu;diana_coman more importantly : they are tools, programmed as tools, expected to deliver untool likethings.
1488120;1466692472;diana_coman;so that last part might be the trouble, true
1488121;1466692473;mircea_popescu;if it's a fucking tool why the fuck are youtrying to build a 3mn loc item in it!
1488122;1466692474;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hahaha :D such reference. ok
1488123;1466692492;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i have yet to see him talk other than by himself in a room. were you hear for the discussion of brin the elder ?
1488124;1466692498;mircea_popescu;similar, just, at least he has the math.
1488125;1466692513;Framedragger;no, unfortunately it seems
1488126;1466692537;Framedragger;k.
1488127;1466692544;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ever read about the famous sheep ?
1488128;1466692555;diana_coman;it's actually part of why I quickly became disenchanted with the whole AI school (well, all of them really): I don't get why the focus on *always right* when no living intelligence (which is supposedly the model in any case) is *always* right
1488129;1466692567;mircea_popescu;diana_coman this is a very good point.
1488130;1466692579;diana_coman;the rule-based thing is an atrocity and prolog urgh
1488131;1466692588;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: do you mean Dolly the cloned sheep? i've heard of it, but only just
1488132;1466692609;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2015/the-rabbi-and-the-ewe/
1488133;1466692641;Framedragger;ah, no; will read (prolly later / work)
1488134;1466692642;Framedragger;thx
1488135;1466692653;mircea_popescu;it'll wait.
1488136;1466692656;Framedragger;heh
1488137;1466692685;Framedragger;is that related to this currently discussed notion of "insisting on hard non-failing truth == unrealistic autism" (with which i agree)?
1488138;1466692695;diana_coman;I guess the thing is that if one abandons this ideal of always true, the question that arises immediately is why then not train actual people in the first place instead of building something else to..train like people
1488139;1466692718;mircea_popescu;Framedragger nah, related to the "alone in room"
1488140;1466692741;mircea_popescu;diana_coman and the answer is obvious : something else dun menstruate.
1488141;1466692750;diana_coman;lol!
1488142;1466692755;mircea_popescu;which is how men ended up in the workforce in the first place
1488143;1466692763;mircea_popescu;otherwise, i can't imagine who'd ever have wanted men for any purpose.
1488144;1466692821;mircea_popescu;(i dunno how much you know / care about early industrialization - but it was ~all women)
1488145;1466692822;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488107 << it isn't about 'moar neurons', but simply that it requires info which the machine ~doesn't have~
1488146;1466692823;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 14:26 mircea_popescu: now, it is real easy to grant that "machine can't resolve because irl it takes more neurons than there's atoms in the cpu". but this is a total cop-out, i can string together an infinity of computers, as bitcoin has shown.
1488147;1466692833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ?
1488148;1466692834;asciilifeform;(if it ~had~, you would not need to program it)
1488149;1466692872;asciilifeform;the whole point of programming is to drive home the idea that 'i need prime p, with p-1 and p+1 having large composites, and q.... ' etc to the box.
1488150;1466692896;mircea_popescu;here's the problemn with this : at first, girl "just doesn'tr have" information on how to bake pastries. then she gets beaten (rarely), corrected (often, but in specific punctual detail) and made to work. then, magically, and i can't underscore this enough, MAGICALLY, she now HAS!!! the information.
1488151;1466692898;mircea_popescu;whence did it come ?
1488152;1466692909;mircea_popescu;she fucking had it from the get-go. this is inescapable.
1488153;1466692914;mircea_popescu;the information is fucking there.
1488154;1466692929;asciilifeform;where ? in the zygote ?
1488155;1466692932;mircea_popescu;computers, unlike people, have the advantage that no subjective "reasons" to blind self to it (~= menstruation)
1488156;1466692945;mircea_popescu;no, it just floats around as a sea of ether
1488157;1466692964;Framedragger;surely said girl engaged in some kind of feedback process with the environment, internalizing some model which fits reality; so not wholly contained?
1488158;1466692982;mircea_popescu;in this sense no item is ever contained, including anything made by texas instruments.
1488159;1466692983;asciilifeform;$google how to bake pastry
1488160;1466692984;deedbot;http://allrecipes.com/recipes/346/bread/pastries/ << Pastry Recipes - Allrecipes.com | http://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-bake-store-bought-frozen-puff-pastry-101067 << How To Bake Store-Bought Frozen Puff Pastry — Cooking Lessons ... | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Sa6dauHBM << How to :Puff Pastry Recipe - YouTube
1488161;1466692994;asciilifeform;^ satisfied? or too many turds floating in the sea? or wut
1488162;1466692998;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i chose it specifically because it can not be "conceptually" learned.
1488163;1466693004;mircea_popescu;your pastries will suck. until they don't.
1488164;1466693016;diana_coman;by this model, I'd say that those poor students I failed were actually trying to apply exactly mircea_popescu 's approach!
1488165;1466693018;mircea_popescu;and THEN you will be able to bake, correctly, pastry you never even learned HOW to bake
1488166;1466693026;mircea_popescu;because it is clear to you what X means.
1488167;1466693033;Framedragger;girl internalizes environment which may include the beater who is giving her feedback, no?
1488168;1466693044;mircea_popescu;diana_coman likely, which is the irony here. you can either have schooling for boys, or for girls.
1488169;1466693050;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: optimization problem, where the solver already has very good approximate values for all the params.
1488170;1466693053;Framedragger;i.e. the beater's aesthetics, say
1488171;1466693059;mircea_popescu;once they mixed the genders they fucked it all up. THAT is why "stundent quality is on downspiral"
1488172;1466693070;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i don't know shit about making pastries.
1488173;1466693073;diana_coman;thing is: the results were atrocious really
1488174;1466693077;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if your gurl had to figure out how to grow and harvest wheat, from first principles, you will have no pastry in this millenium
1488175;1466693090;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's fine, computer will outlast the millenium.
1488176;1466693092;diana_coman;that thing when it *works* as in...now, this particular thing, don't change anything or it might all fall down
1488177;1466693095;mircea_popescu;besides, i can buy more.
1488178;1466693108;mircea_popescu;diana_coman heh.
1488179;1466693119;mircea_popescu;still, it's how boys learn. stupid, i know.
1488180;1466693137;mircea_popescu;but while i don't for a second suspect you of gender politics, nevertheless, there you go, you did it to them. what now.
1488181;1466693168;diana_coman;uhm, they got beaten (once), corrected punctually etc so they are just learning
1488182;1466693169;diana_coman;perfect
1488183;1466693181;mircea_popescu;i guess so huh :D
1488184;1466693226;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: hmm; but you did supply her with some "aesthetics" feedback, maybe even a floating point value, as in, "better/worse than before", perhaps
1488185;1466693235;Framedragger;still external info
1488186;1466693237;mircea_popescu;no dude, correctly made pastry is this self-obvious thing.
1488187;1466693238;Framedragger;dunno tho
1488188;1466693242;Framedragger;right
1488189;1466693254;mircea_popescu;once you can make 'em it's darn obvious, and before it's impossibru and "vague" and throws fit
1488190;1466693263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the difficult bit is not merely in machine lasting millenium, but in the problem it is solving lasting anywhere near...
1488191;1466693265;Framedragger;so you're saying that this was purely incentive based thing, no external environment info
1488192;1466693265;mircea_popescu;well... at least at first. that doesn't go so well so throws fit internally.
1488193;1466693269;asciilifeform;$s great slow kings
1488194;1466693269;a111;1 results for "great slow kings", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=great%20slow%20kings
1488195;1466693283;asciilifeform;motherfucker
1488196;1466693286;asciilifeform;IT IS IN THE FUCKING LOGS
1488197;1466693290;mircea_popescu;Framedragger no "peculiar" external info. obviously we're not dealing in spherical chickens here, so.. the sun lights all heads.
1488198;1466693293;asciilifeform;can we ditch the case-sensitive bullshit plox ?
1488199;1466693296;asciilifeform;phf ?
1488200;1466693307;asciilifeform;grep -i "foo" compliance plox
1488201;1466693312;Framedragger;asciilifeform: no it ain't
1488202;1466693315;mircea_popescu;grep has case sensitivity ?
1488203;1466693327;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: by default
1488204;1466693327;Framedragger;by default yah
1488205;1466693332;mircea_popescu;yes...
1488206;1466693356;Framedragger;i mean you do sometimes want case sensitivity yknow; i guess question's regarding the default
1488207;1466693369;asciilifeform;anyway, http://lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheGreatSlowKings.txt
1488208;1466693371;mircea_popescu;aaanyways
1488209;1466693378;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform was it the space ? hm ?
1488210;1466693379;Framedragger;asciilifeform: it throws 1 result which is when you searched for it, now..
1488211;1466693411;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: sure.. well hm, i can see what you mean; dunno if example is sound, but i prob know even less about pastry heh
1488212;1466693417;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. not the space. and the link is literally a repost
1488213;1466693420;asciilifeform;so it ~is~ in the logz
1488214;1466693439;asciilifeform;june 14.
1488215;1466693447;asciilifeform;phf's search dun find it.
1488216;1466693449;Framedragger;aok.
1488217;1466693452;asciilifeform;$s http://lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheGreatSlowKings.txt
1488218;1466693453;a111;2 results for "http://lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheGreatSlowKings.txt", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=http%3A%2F%2Flib.ru%2FZELQZNY%2FTheGreatSlowKings.txt
1488219;1466693460;mircea_popescu;but to the more general point, Framedragger : the master's job is mostly to encourage and support the young woman TO ACTUALLY MAKE CHOICES. which is to say, exactly to distance herself from learned helplessness of the nature of diana_coman 's above mentioned " don't change anything or it might all fall down"
1488220;1466693481;mircea_popescu;yes, it's broken, NOTICE it's broken, eat the scrambled egg, try again.
1488221;1466693489;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1482806
1488222;1466693489;a111;Logged on 2016-06-14 14:56 asciilifeform: http://www.lib.ru/ZELQZNY/TheGreatSlowKings.txt << for ze logz.
1488223;1466693497;asciilifeform;^ but not findable
1488224;1466693502;mircea_popescu;$s TheGreatSlowKings
1488225;1466693502;a111;6 results for "TheGreatSlowKings", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=TheGreatSlowKings
1488226;1466693507;mircea_popescu;aok.
1488227;1466693516;asciilifeform;i think it dun like urls.
1488228;1466693526;mircea_popescu;$s "SlowKings"
1488229;1466693526;a111;8 results for "\"SlowKings\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22SlowKings%22
1488230;1466693529;mircea_popescu;$s "slowKings"
1488231;1466693529;a111;1 results for "\"slowKings\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22slowKings%22
1488232;1466693529;asciilifeform;why why why can't we have grep -i "string".
1488233;1466693542;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: ACK, and that is cool. i do understand re. master actually working *against* learned helplessness models, at least an *actual* master anyway hm
1488234;1466693542;asciilifeform;anyway..
1488235;1466693543;phf;asciilifeform: i'll fix it next. since it's all write from scratch i just need to figure out how to case insensitive boyer moore
1488236;1466693545;diana_coman;that was not about helplessness though, but about the fact that a cake which is a cake only when you look at it from a certain angle, in a certain light, is NOT A CAKE
1488237;1466693550;mircea_popescu;dude i have nfi, you keep saying this, then phfg comes on it turns out we do, then you say it again
1488238;1466693587;mircea_popescu;diana_coman certainly not a cake. but it also has this passive "don't touch the instruments" educative value. womenz particularly vulnerable to this crap.
1488239;1466693602;asciilifeform;phf: upcasing utf8 is a heavy op, so i suspect that it will be gnarly
1488240;1466693615;phf;asciilifeform: i'm not going to solve it for general case :>
1488241;1466693632;mircea_popescu;lmao
1488242;1466693640;diana_coman;yes, women care more because they bare the costs mainly and mostly
1488243;1466693648;phf;ascii, cyrillic, greek, accents
1488244;1466693663;mircea_popescu;hey, put koi to whatever equivalency in there while at it phf
1488245;1466693668;asciilifeform;diana_coman: bear the costs? or double-entendre intentional
1488246;1466693673;mircea_popescu;:D!
1488247;1466693674;mircea_popescu;epic.
1488248;1466693696;diana_coman;quite intentional, yes
1488249;1466693706;mircea_popescu;o it was ?!
1488250;1466693827;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488220 << this is a workable way to teach cooking, or perhaps music, but not, say, flying
1488251;1466693827;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 14:51 mircea_popescu: yes, it's broken, NOTICE it's broken, eat the scrambled egg, try again.
1488252;1466693837;diana_coman;it's a bugbear/bare of mine, lol
1488253;1466693840;asciilifeform;or - imho - programming.
1488254;1466693857;asciilifeform;which, it turns out, has more in common with flying than anyone is willing to admit
1488255;1466693865;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why not ? if it fails to learn i just buy another computer.
1488256;1466693868;asciilifeform;in that the mistakes are not guaranteed to be reversible.
1488257;1466693890;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where do we buy a new you, when you spent your whole life buying computers instead of $solving.
1488258;1466693905;mircea_popescu;also, no cooking mistake is EVER reversible. cooking is the paragon of irreversible process with a thermodynamics-supplied seal of certitude.
1488259;1466693910;asciilifeform;bad program can be just as lethal, if more slowly, than dud pilot.
1488260;1466693922;mircea_popescu;you're not taking some of the salt out of the soup, some of the heat out of the steak or anything from anything else.
1488261;1466693924;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not reversible from food's pov.
1488262;1466693930;mircea_popescu;right.
1488263;1466693931;asciilifeform;speaking of the eater.
1488264;1466693945;mircea_popescu;there is no eater.
1488265;1466693964;mircea_popescu;(tbh, good programs and "results oriented" bs are rather orthogonal if not opposed concerns)
1488266;1466693970;asciilifeform;the illusion that 'live and learn, there is endless retakes' is an illusion, just that
1488267;1466693976;mircea_popescu;surely.
1488268;1466694009;asciilifeform;precisely, the 'result before $time t at minimal cost' give you layers upon layers of braindamage.
1488269;1466694017;mircea_popescu;so then, forget the eater.
1488270;1466694062;mircea_popescu;(which, incidentally, is in my professional judgement THE value proposition of free/open source. FORGET THE EATER!)
1488271;1466694063;asciilifeform;my point was that bad programming has just as permanent an effect as bad flying. more so, in fact, as badly flown machine can only kill a busfull of folks, while bad design of program (or machine) can enstupidate generations.
1488272;1466694078;mircea_popescu;rm -rf
1488273;1466694089;mircea_popescu;if it dun work, wipe it.
1488274;1466694098;asciilifeform;yeah, but somebody has to do it. and you don't get the wasted people back.
1488275;1466694132;mircea_popescu;this is somewhat offset by the grim reality that all people can possibly ever do is waste.
1488276;1466694151;asciilifeform;'good cake, bad cake, all turns to shit'
1488277;1466694154;asciilifeform;is one possible perspective.
1488278;1466694166;asciilifeform;but everyone who actually sees through this glass has already eaten pistol.
1488279;1466694260;asciilifeform;recall the ruby thread ?
1488280;1466694291;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-11#1480777 <<
1488281;1466694291;a111;Logged on 2016-06-11 01:23 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480685 << no, this is the problem. a bunch of idiots would have to earn bread different way ; and ben_vulpes would be allowed to do something less idiotic with his time. that's the problem whenever derps get the reins - they drive the ship ashore and someone's stuck fishing it back out.
1488282;1466694446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i see through this glass!
1488283;1466694460;asciilifeform;so what happened, pistol jammed ?
1488284;1466694465;mircea_popescu;no ?
1488285;1466694470;asciilifeform;the i have nfi
1488286;1466694472;mircea_popescu;i'm having a ball, are you kidding ?
1488287;1466694496;asciilifeform;would mircea_popescu still be having a ball if he were spending his life cleaning up ruby garbage ?
1488288;1466694506;mircea_popescu;i suppose i might be the only intelligent male that never felt an inclination to off himself ? why's this so strange!
1488289;1466694508;mircea_popescu;anyway.
1488290;1466694509;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: I used to do this for a leaving
1488291;1466694516;thestringpuller;now I clean up Python garbage!
1488292;1466694519;thestringpuller;living*
1488293;1466694533;thestringpuller;Oh man, cleaning up PHP garbage was teh worst tho.
1488294;1466694538;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or a better question, "would mircea_popescu still be mircea_popescu if he were not mircea_popescu ???"
1488295;1466694555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, he'd be one of the 9,999 failed everettescus
1488296;1466694562;diana_coman;ahahah, the advantage of mircea_popescu's favourite approach: there will always be tons of garbage to clean off since a cake eaten is at least eaten, but crappy code is rarely totally obliterated
1488297;1466694563;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller you missed a spot, there's still some php garbage! i just run into some like yest
1488298;1466694574;mircea_popescu;diana_coman word!
1488299;1466694604;mircea_popescu;diana_coman bad code has much more staying power than good code.
1488300;1466694605;asciilifeform;diana_coman: this is what i was trying to get across with the 'bad flying only kills a busful, bad program - potentially everyone' example
1488301;1466694613;asciilifeform;diana_coman: bad program ~shrinks design space~
1488302;1466694613;mircea_popescu;it is easier to understand, which seems a major factor in code survival.
1488303;1466694632;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who 'understands' rails etc. ?
1488304;1466694633;asciilifeform;nobody
1488305;1466694638;asciilifeform;has NOTHING to do with 'easy to understand'
1488306;1466694641;diana_coman;but why is anyone trying to understand it! they should just bang it into shape , not understand it ffs!!!
1488307;1466694649;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wasn't using the term in your sense!
1488308;1466694650;asciilifeform;and everything to do with cancerous pile of rubbish with 'creates jeeeerbs'
1488309;1466694667;mircea_popescu;"i understand ruby! put it in docker and rub puppett on your clittie!"
1488310;1466694679;asciilifeform;ah, ~that~ 'understand'.
1488311;1466694681;diana_coman;well, maybe understand its outputs, but not the actual code surely, what heresy is this
1488312;1466694683;mircea_popescu;"i understand fridges. open the door!"
1488313;1466694687;asciilifeform;$s the feeling of power
1488314;1466694687;a111;5 results for "the feeling of power", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=the%20feeling%20of%20power
1488315;1466694692;mircea_popescu;^ that
1488316;1466694824;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488295 and this actually resolves http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488036
1488317;1466694825;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 13:45 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "can't cut from shakespeare"
1488318;1466694825;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 15:09 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, he'd be one of the 9,999 failed everettescus
1488319;1466694839;asciilifeform;all the cuttable 'shakespeares' got cut.
1488320;1466694856;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488300 <<>> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-08#1478635
1488321;1466694856;a111;Logged on 2016-06-08 02:10 mircea_popescu: $google 1961 goldsboro crash
1488322;1466694856;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 15:10 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is what i was trying to get across with the 'bad flying only kills a busful, bad program - potentially everyone' example
1488323;1466694857;asciilifeform;(and notice that folks only mostly gave up cutting ol' william s. quite recently.)
1488324;1466694858;mircea_popescu;i just dunno man...
1488325;1466694917;thestringpuller;coincidentally i'm doing a puppet run right now.
1488326;1466694918;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it would have had to trigger full-blown ww3 on all sides to even compare roughly with the damage from microshit alone.
1488327;1466694923;thestringpuller;i love pulling the machine's strings.
1488328;1466694927;mircea_popescu;wouldn't have been impossibru to trigger.
1488329;1466694951;asciilifeform;people have this bias, where being vaporized by nuke is somehow obviously terrible but wasting 50 yrs on ruby is not
1488330;1466694993;mircea_popescu;this bias is warranted.
1488331;1466695006;mircea_popescu;during those 50 years they raise a woman's children by another man.
1488332;1466695033;asciilifeform;if chump ~knew~ this, he would eat nagant
1488333;1466695048;asciilifeform;same as if he ~knew~ for certain that he will do 50 years of rubyschwitz without parole.
1488334;1466695061;mircea_popescu;incidentally re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488109 : his D is wrong. there's an unclear qty of statistics used by human brain.
1488335;1466695061;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 14:28 Framedragger: there was a post about statistical/ML approach vs. (one of) rule-based approach(es) just recently, i haven't read it yet, http://norvig.com/chomsky.html (inb4 ad hominem alf's norvig iz usg pawn :P )
1488336;1466695066;asciilifeform;the bias is from this ignorance.
1488337;1466695079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the definition of the term "chump" is "he who will not eat nagant under any circumstances"
1488338;1466695081;diana_coman;asciilifeform, I don't think so; it's from being a chump maybe?
1488339;1466695084;mircea_popescu;as per definition, your statement's false.
1488340;1466695115;diana_coman;heh, I guess I'm saying the same thing as mircea_popescu there
1488341;1466695119;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'under any circumstances' thing comes precisely from chump's illusion of 'maybe next year i escape'
1488342;1466695122;mircea_popescu;and in any case, the bias is from genetics. the genes you carry have their own little chess game going and you're the pawn. much like... well, everything else.
1488343;1466695129;asciilifeform;there was even a spiffy mircea_popescu article re same
1488344;1466695132;diana_coman;in my experience chumps do not want to escape
1488345;1466695141;mircea_popescu;chumps want to maybe escape.
1488346;1466695147;asciilifeform;what was it, the 'maybe my REAL LIFE will start!111' thing
1488347;1466695172;mircea_popescu;girl explained this to me as to the amorous life of teenagers. they don't want sex as much, she said, with its icky dirty scary reality, as they want the possibility of having it, which is endorphin ladden goodness.
1488348;1466695175;diana_coman;well, my first experience as an employee, while still studying: something goes wrong and I'm the only one to make a fuss about it
1488349;1466695181;diana_coman;discussion afterwards with co-workers
1488350;1466695186;mircea_popescu;they only learn to regret going home to sleep alone after 2osomething
1488351;1466695191;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do we need the winnie pooh quote again
1488352;1466695192;diana_coman;them: why make a fuss? you'll get used to it
1488353;1466695193;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha.
1488354;1466695199;diana_coman;me: I do NOT WANT TO GET USED TO IT
1488355;1466695211;diana_coman;there, difference quite clear I'd say
1488356;1466695213;asciilifeform;^ http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463317
1488357;1466695213;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 13:03 asciilifeform: the thermodynamic 'taboo against the coincidence' is described in, oddly enough, winnie pooh! '"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.'
1488358;1466695224;mircea_popescu;aha
1488359;1466695288;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488354 << imho this is one of the things that distinguishes actual people from the cow folk - actual people have a concrete conception of ~wanting to be a specific thing~
1488360;1466695289;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 15:19 diana_coman: me: I do NOT WANT TO GET USED TO IT
1488361;1466695301;asciilifeform;and making effort over own pig-brain
1488362;1466695305;mircea_popescu;i don't have a specific conception of wanting to be anything in particular.
1488363;1466695319;mircea_popescu;moreover, that makes the bearer wide open to all sorts of manipulation.
1488364;1466695322;asciilifeform;but mircea_popescu had a number of pretty clear not-wants-to-be.
1488365;1466695327;mircea_popescu;do i ?
1488366;1466695332;diana_coman;I only had a very clear idea of what I do NOT want really; at least when presented with the thing
1488367;1466695335;asciilifeform;e.g., jwz 'family man'
1488368;1466695341;asciilifeform;and other monstrosities
1488369;1466695354;mircea_popescu;well in the sense i don't want to be a woman
1488370;1466695357;mircea_popescu;i... aren't.
1488371;1466695374;asciilifeform;on the surface jwz also 'aren't'
1488372;1466695375;asciilifeform;but here we are
1488373;1466695401;mircea_popescu;i can't say i've ever spent any mental time aiming not to be jwz.
1488374;1466695410;asciilifeform;or aiming not to be a slug
1488375;1466695413;mircea_popescu;then again maybe that goes on while i sleep
1488376;1466695415;diana_coman;I really had no idea of what I wanted to be or even do; maybe what you mean is that people have basically some sort of personal ethics and they stick to them come what may
1488377;1466695416;asciilifeform;having spine will do that
1488378;1466695422;diana_coman;as opposed to ...floating around whatever
1488379;1466695456;mircea_popescu;anyway. it's clear that "wanting to be" eg "writer" is how the aspie 14%, the worthless but ambitious, useful idiots are recruited
1488380;1466695467;mircea_popescu;socialist state or no socialist state, they're the wanna-bes.
1488381;1466695468;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a good bit of aptitude in, e.g., weight lifting, i suspect, is simply having a dull sense of the pain involved in effort
1488382;1466695483;mircea_popescu;"simt enorm si vaz monstruos" lol.
1488383;1466695536;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: do you have the 'karla from california' article link handy ?
1488384;1466695543;mircea_popescu;yeah lessee
1488385;1466695555;asciilifeform;nm found, http://trilema.com/2013/ive-found-her
1488386;1466695559;mircea_popescu;right!
1488387;1466695566;asciilifeform;^ the example of opposite of what i was describing.
1488388;1466695576;mircea_popescu;she seems rather chill and easy going neh ?
1488389;1466695635;mircea_popescu;(ftr, there's an entire subculture of these, on west coast. you can fill a 2 acre pool estate with them in bikinis, they'll swiggle around while the pot lasts.)
1488390;1466696047;asciilifeform;'easy going' like shit floating down a river.
1488391;1466696055;asciilifeform;truly.
1488392;1466696130;mircea_popescu;hey. works. has worked. will continue to work.
1488393;1466696157;asciilifeform;works in the strict biological sense.
1488394;1466696168;mircea_popescu;i'm sorry, what ?
1488395;1466696192;asciilifeform;the cows sometimes - rarely - birth people. or they would still be living in trees, in strictly ecologically sustainable with bare hands sort of numbers.
1488396;1466696208;mircea_popescu;if they do or if they don't... i dun think they'll notice.
1488397;1466696213;asciilifeform;surely not.
1488398;1466696221;mircea_popescu;so therefore... mooooot point.
1488399;1466696228;asciilifeform;i asked amoeba once if he minded, he didn't say nuffin.
1488400;1466696233;mircea_popescu;she.
1488401;1466696238;asciilifeform;zhe.
1488402;1466696255;mircea_popescu;a queermoeba lol
1488403;1466696292;thestringpuller;genderqueermoeba
1488404;1466696381;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the greatest country in the world, https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/why-many-people-talking-pic-185952778.html
1488405;1466696405;mircea_popescu;clearly, won teh war with terrorists.
1488406;1466696448;asciilifeform;the terrorists won.
1488407;1466696450;asciilifeform;in 1776.
1488408;1466696500;mircea_popescu;anyway, the whole thing is a "gun control" ie, make the us as "immigrant"-friendly as rotterham, uk. bullshit.
1488409;1466696505;mircea_popescu;but, funny,
1488410;1466696630;asciilifeform;incidentally rumours of a good chunk of the gay bar corpses having 9mm police holes in'em continue to circulate.
1488411;1466696654;mircea_popescu;why'd police shoot up a gay bar ?
1488412;1466696672;asciilifeform;the one they blew a hole in the back of ?
1488413;1466696675;asciilifeform;and then fired into ?
1488414;1466696692;mircea_popescu;oh that one
1488415;1466696696;asciilifeform;aha. that one.
1488416;1466696704;mircea_popescu;well... did the muslim terrorist at least shoot all the black victims ?
1488417;1466696732;asciilifeform;similar to the day care where 2 men in camo went in, machine gunned, left, leaving autistic tard in their place with empty rifle, then caught in the woods, 'questioned', let go.
1488418;1466696769;asciilifeform;(sandy hook)
1488419;1466697104;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-15#1483006
1488420;1466697105;a111;Logged on 2016-06-15 03:15 asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://pp.vk.me/c636216/v636216329/1018c/a3teM2ELOb8.jpg << supposedly, the hole blown by police at orlando postal. notice the police bullet marks.
1488421;1466697158;mircea_popescu;you can tell caliber from that ?
1488422;1466697162;asciilifeform;nope.
1488423;1466697165;asciilifeform;but can tell ~direction~
1488424;1466697181;asciilifeform;that is, there is not a weapon that will produce these if fired from inside.
1488425;1466697185;mircea_popescu;seems there's a peashooter and a .45 involved
1488426;1466697191;mircea_popescu;either that or the drywall's pretty shitty
1488427;1466697202;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the orlando police carry h&k mp5
1488428;1466697217;asciilifeform;they were prominently displayed in some of the earlier releases.
1488429;1466697222;mircea_popescu;how did they do the ones towards the bottom ?
1488430;1466697230;asciilifeform;thing is 'garden hose'
1488431;1466697237;asciilifeform;like schmeisser.
1488432;1466697241;asciilifeform;(made by same folks)
1488433;1466697265;mircea_popescu;seems like a pretty shiutty choice. bad weapon all around : low caliber shitty ammo for hard targets, poor accuracy and overpenetration for soft targets
1488434;1466697273;mircea_popescu;who came up wit this idea.
1488435;1466697295;asciilifeform;americans. during prohibition.
1488436;1466697302;asciilifeform;when they decided that nailing whole crowd was a-ok
1488437;1466697304;mircea_popescu;tommygun's almost better.
1488438;1466697311;asciilifeform;it is ~equivalent.
1488439;1466697312;asciilifeform;same basic idea.
1488440;1466697337;asciilifeform;ideal weapon for bullying a crowd, guarding concentration camp, etc.
1488441;1466697340;mircea_popescu;so the idea that the very much "machine gun fired by bozo" line on the bottom is... ricochet ? or wtf ?
1488442;1466697357;mircea_popescu;that can't be 9mm. really it can't be 38 either, looks like a 22
1488443;1466697383;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cement isn't paper
1488444;1466697385;asciilifeform;fractures.
1488445;1466697385;mircea_popescu;(why by bozo ? because he fired 7 in a row and has miserable enough control of the gun that he swings left-right etc)
1488446;1466697422;asciilifeform;Official Truth is that mr snackbar was inside. police dynamited hole, and - Officially - waited for ~him~, rather than victims, to emerge, then fired
1488447;1466697434;mircea_popescu;yeah but i mean compare those marks with the tank machine gun lookiung holes above
1488448;1466697473;asciilifeform;in order for mr. snackbar to make any of the pictured holes, he would have had to climb out, police - cheering him on from behind his back, while he fired back into the hole.
1488449;1466697500;mircea_popescu;well that may well be.
1488450;1466697517;mircea_popescu;hey, i'm no ballistics expert, but seriously, those holes all made by same tool ?
1488451;1466697520;asciilifeform;which is even lulzier than 'police blew hole then shot everything that moved'
1488452;1466697556;mircea_popescu;i guess it could be that the bottom came in at a very wide angle, which in iutself is kinda stupid, but the marks are too round for that.
1488453;1466697560;mircea_popescu;aaaanyway
1488454;1466697574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: same tool. ever notice that even at the range, the holes in the paper have different shapes ? esp. at max distance ? the bullet - tumbles.
1488455;1466697589;mircea_popescu;but this isn't paper.
1488456;1466697593;asciilifeform;nope.
1488457;1466697598;asciilifeform;also has own fractures.
1488458;1466697614;mircea_popescu;but they're not randomly distributed! the 7 light marks on bottom clearly came from one burst.
1488459;1466697632;mircea_popescu;the mega dent up right of hole came from, likely, a howitzer.
1488460;1466697648;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: Officially (tm) a wall-breaching grenade, purpose-made
1488461;1466697656;asciilifeform;(standard, apparently, police gear in usaschwitz, now.)
1488462;1466697685;asciilifeform;and this apparently is a MAGICAL wall that doesn't shower folks with frags behind it when you blow it up....
1488463;1466697687;mircea_popescu;how about mega-dent up left close to hole ? also ?
1488464;1466697701;asciilifeform;also. at least 5 grenades.
1488465;1466697735;mircea_popescu;and who are the pink shirt faggots ? police ?
1488466;1466697750;asciilifeform;probably journarasts
1488467;1466697823;mircea_popescu;uniformed ?!
1488468;1466697832;mircea_popescu;oh i forgot, navajo culture.
1488469;1466697835;asciilifeform;and Only A Terrorist Would Ask (TM) (R) how one can blow 5+ grenade holes in a cement wall, clean through, without fragging any of the hundreds of schmucks hiding behind it
1488470;1466697853;mircea_popescu;well maybe it was storage room
1488471;1466697868;asciilifeform;storage room from which all of the survivers emerged ?
1488472;1466697880;asciilifeform;in single-file, with mr snackbar at the lead ?
1488473;1466697883;trinque;thought it was a bathroom
1488474;1466697891;asciilifeform;Officially.
1488475;1466697893;mircea_popescu;trinque looks like a shitth broom by the piping
1488476;1466697921;asciilifeform;the published floor plan showed whole bar having GIGANTIC public toilet in the back half
1488477;1466697928;asciilifeform;where, apparently, they customarily fuck
1488478;1466697945;mircea_popescu;this is how it works yes. gotta have fuckroom or is not a bar, and if not a bar not a nighlife.
1488479;1466697945;asciilifeform;(the practice dates to at least turing's time, there is a monument near the toilet he used)
1488480;1466697946;trinque;yeah that's not super unlikely at a gay bar
1488481;1466697955;mircea_popescu;at A BAR.
1488482;1466697977;mircea_popescu;srsly, you people never fuck "on the first date" girl you met at disco ?
1488483;1466698005;trinque;certainly have, but elsewhere
1488484;1466698010;trinque;though the room would be more convenient
1488485;1466698031;trinque;most music venues have a piss stained closet with a line a mile long
1488486;1466698035;mircea_popescu;room has drawbacks. toilets - easy to clean. the shag gets dubious while the tile stays... white. ish.
1488487;1466698071;mircea_popescu;(but yes, this is at least 50% of why girl has to wear heels and be tall to begin with. 50% of the rest is the leyla black. and other such things)
1488488;1466698146;asciilifeform;http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/outward/2016/06/15/after_orlando_s_pulse_massacre_queer_nightlife_workers_are_on_high_alert/539630790-agents-investigate-the-damaged-rear-wall-of-the-pulse.jpg << bigger pic.
1488489;1466698168;mircea_popescu;wait, the QUEERS are on high alert ?
1488490;1466698174;asciilifeform;http://media.miamiherald.com/static/media/projects/2016/pulse/tiktok/FloorPlan.jpg << Official floor plan.
1488491;1466698179;mircea_popescu;should they also get a govt uniform ? be in goose-step with the times ?
1488492;1466698185;mircea_popescu;what color alert anyway, pink ?
1488493;1466698309;asciilifeform;anyway the police are useful idiots in this play.
1488494;1466698326;asciilifeform;they would happily dynamite the entire building if they could plausibly dress it up as 'perp did it'
1488495;1466698356;asciilifeform;as it was, they picked grenades over chancing mr snackbar's bullet.
1488496;1466698396;asciilifeform;this is how cops ended up with full auto weapons to begin with, incidentally
1488497;1466698406;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is judicious. all described in the http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/
1488498;1466698415;asciilifeform;aha, precisely that one
1488499;1466698416;mircea_popescu;they cost. lots. bystanders - cheaper.
1488500;1466698439;asciilifeform;cheaper still considering that usg will pin ALL of the corpses on mr snackbar.
1488501;1466698458;asciilifeform;(who, for all i know, scored 0 personally)
1488502;1466698493;mircea_popescu;well, the guy who was playing counterstrike and had fambly killed certainly scored 0 personally.
1488503;1466698521;trinque;that'd be quite a lot of people being usg agents claiming to witness him shooting people
1488504;1466698529;asciilifeform;trinque: firing.
1488505;1466698542;trinque;certainly both he and the cops shot people
1488506;1466698547;trinque;anything else is an absurd stretch
1488507;1466698550;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so he fired and missed ?
1488508;1466698555;asciilifeform;recall, last bloke who (we were told) emptied 3 clips into crowded cinema, scored... 9 ?
1488509;1466698581;trinque;this one worked private security neh?
1488510;1466698583;asciilifeform;the 'batman' incident
1488511;1466698587;trinque;had to have been able to hit *one*
1488512;1466698603;mircea_popescu;what gun did he have ?
1488513;1466698612;trinque;sig sauer mcx
1488514;1466698630;mircea_popescu;well, bar's crowded, gun's alright, he's gotta have managed at least a few.
1488515;1466698631;asciilifeform;mr snackbar's ? or the batman one
1488516;1466698655;trinque;snackbar
1488517;1466698729;asciilifeform;btw recall the hollywood shootout (same one as in mircea_popescu's article) ?
1488518;1466698785;asciilifeform;2 full-auto rifles, 1,100 rounds, 0 dead crowd.
1488519;1466698793;asciilifeform;random fire dun hit much in a 3d world.
1488520;1466698901;asciilifeform;i propose that mr snackbar's score would have been nearly same if he had fired blanks.
1488521;1466698946;trinque;so g4s does no weapons training? (former employer)
1488522;1466698956;trinque;oddly same company that spun off a subsidiary that was running guantanamo
1488523;1466698976;asciilifeform;trinque: in usa private guards, typically, get - sometimes - a little pistol training.
1488524;1466699035;asciilifeform;speaking here of ordinary, unremarkable security co., as in the kind who drive cash wagons etc.
1488525;1466699042;asciilifeform;(rather than 'academe' etc.)
1488526;1466699110;trinque;I'll have to do moar googling, but I'd expect a company that was running guantanamo would be closer to mercs than mall cops
1488527;1466699119;trinque;could of course have both under one roof
1488528;1466699138;asciilifeform;what - if any - to believe re mr snackbar's Official biography, is matter of taste.
1488529;1466699164;trinque;if they are mercs, it leans me more tinfoil-hat than you've expressed, even..
1488530;1466699219;asciilifeform;i can easily see the idiot signing up to 'fire some blanks, scare some folk'
1488531;1466699248;asciilifeform;phf: log 404?????????
1488532;1466699251;trinque;there was the same "multiple shooters" chatter around orlando as many other events
1488533;1466699256;trinque;who knows wtf happened
1488534;1466699320;asciilifeform;they wouldn't ever send 1 bloke.
1488535;1466699324;asciilifeform;(what if he turns tail?)
1488536;1466699332;asciilifeform;this is elementary.
1488537;1466699406;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf log is down ?
1488538;1466699407;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1488539;1466699428;trinque;https://theintercept.com/2016/06/14/orlando-shooter-wasnt-the-first-murderer-employed-by-global-mercenary-firm/
1488540;1466699551;trinque;G4S has previously been accused of improperly vetting its employees. In 2009, Danny Fitzsimons, a former British paratrooper and employee of a G4S subsidiary, killed two colleagues in Iraq, claiming to be “the antichrist” and saying he “must satisfy” his “bloodlust.” << wouldn't blow my mind that $lizardhitler has a drug that induces this
1488541;1466699585;trinque;or they just find loose cannons and groom them for a while
1488542;1466699616;asciilifeform;trinque: the latter worked, since at least hammurabi.
1488543;1466699621;asciilifeform;no need for dope.
1488544;1466699676;asciilifeform;(the dope is for when you need minister of finance whateverthefuck to start spewing rubbish on camera, or jump from his window with only mild assistance, etc)
1488545;1466701591;trinque;https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd << ahahah is bitfinex down again?
1488546;1466701800;trinque;https://twitter.com/bitfinex/status/746023060122275840 << maybe changed / fucked up their API
1488547;1466702497;shinohai;https://petertodd.org/2016/ethereum-dao-bailout-vote   <<< "Democracy is the only way people!"
1488548;1466703111;asciilifeform;log still dead.
1488549;1466703168;asciilifeform;'I’ve heard reports that the first part of Vitalik’s fork proposal has already happened: miners have frozen the funds taken from the DAO with a soft-fork, which means that miners are blacklisting any transaction that moves those funds, as well as refusing to mine on top of blocks containing transactions moving those funds. That’s not very hard to do as - like Bitcoin - Ethereum mining is sufficiently centralized that it only ta
1488550;1466703168;asciilifeform;kes the co-operation of two or three people to achieve the majority of hashing power necessary to freeze funds' << lel
1488551;1466703235;asciilifeform;usg coin has 100% usg-compliant minerz? nyooz at 11.
1488552;1466703257;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu what would it cost to have the magic eth tx mined ?
1488553;1466703257;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1488554;1466703419;asciilifeform;the peter todd turd is a true classic of its genre: 'we gotta commit an atrocity. but we first will get CONSENSOOOS!!1111 so then it won't be an atrocity, fuckyou. and btw we control the vertical and the horizontal and all the votez, so fuckyou.x2'
1488555;1466703448;shinohai;lel
1488556;1466703801;asciilifeform;http://bitcoinocracy.com/arguments/in-the-event-of-a-fork-i-will-sell-rbf-blockstream-core-coins-and-buy-classic-bitcoins << other examples of 'consensooooos washing'
1488557;1466703815;asciilifeform;vox populi, vox dei!1111111111111
1488558;1466703817;asciilifeform;etc.
1488559;1466704852;mats;have there been any other 1k+ btc 'coin destruction' events like the one orchestrated by counterparty?
1488560;1466704974;asciilifeform;mats: this is probably in the logs, but the log is down
1488561;1466705182;thestringpuller;log 404 eh?
1488562;1466705252;asciilifeform;apparently.
1488563;1466705259;mats;yeah I looked in my log, my search fu is weak
1488564;1466705512;thestringpuller;;;seen phf
1488565;1466705512;gribble;phf was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 17 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <phf> ascii, cyrillic, greek, accents
1488566;1466706895;phf;yes, this is dog
1488567;1466706914;asciilifeform;hi phf . log down??
1488568;1466706918;phf;oh, interesting, that's odd
1488569;1466706959;phf;logger still keeping log..
1488570;1466706968;asciilifeform;404
1488571;1466706975;phf;yeah, i can see :)
1488572;1466707084;phf;killing a couple of threads "fixed" the issues, but i'm not sure what the problem was :/
1488573;1466707114;trinque;what www thinger do you use? hunchenfart?
1488574;1466707152;phf;i'd rather not answer, since i'll be mocked incessantly by mr asciilifeform for it
1488575;1466707210;asciilifeform;eh let's hear it
1488576;1466707212;asciilifeform;lemmeguess
1488577;1466707216;asciilifeform;allegroserve?
1488578;1466707236;phf;worse, araneida
1488579;1466707297;ben_vulpes;> latest patch to source tree from january 2006
1488580;1466707299;ben_vulpes;> still works
1488581;1466707305;ben_vulpes;this is how software should be.
1488582;1466707317;asciilifeform;^
1488583;1466707345;ben_vulpes;and it's *still* too newfangled hipster by some metrics.
1488584;1466707426;asciilifeform;cl-http is the mega-classic (by the nsa bloke who bought symbolics !! iirc) but it had a very strange license which prohibited just about any practical use, and so did not catch on
1488585;1466707468;phf;well, to be fair it's not very good, but it hosted cliki for 10 years, easier to hack on than hunchentoot on account of having simpler design and i'm trying to make it sling byte arrays
1488586;1466707474;asciilifeform;http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/server.html << it
1488587;1466707500;phf;(a much harder task in hunchentoot)
1488588;1466707539;phf;i once managed to follow rainer joswig's instructions to bring cl-http up, but i couldn't reproduce it last time i tried
1488589;1466707622;phf;maybe i should see if i can get it working on cmucl and adopt it as my default server, hmmm. it does look hell of overengineered 
1488590;1466707671;asciilifeform;i see cmucl as sorta like that system-v unix revival
1488591;1466707679;asciilifeform;great for bedtime reading, but not so hot to run
1488592;1466707708;asciilifeform;naggum had a great piece on these:
1488593;1466707720;asciilifeform;systems which are 'cute when they're baby' but loathesome when mature
1488594;1466707867;phf;you only say that because you think sbcl is somehow "clean". chrodes managed a very neat hack, a build system improvement, that's where neat hacks have ended, and modernization began, but it's not like the legacy cmucl codebase somehow disappeared from sbcl
1488595;1466707875;asciilifeform;oh no!
1488596;1466707878;asciilifeform;it isn't clean at all
1488597;1466707880;asciilifeform;that's the point here
1488598;1466707885;asciilifeform;it is the mature end
1488599;1466707908;asciilifeform;sorta like comparing modern bsds to systemv
1488600;1466707929;asciilifeform;cmucl feels 'clean' but is missing what i consider to be essential functionality (native threads, mainly)
1488601;1466707930;phf;(actually bill newman, not christophe rhodes)
1488602;1466707993;phf;well, native threads were added to sbcl at the expense of good gc
1488603;1466707998;asciilifeform;kinda how i boot up that cute x86 systemv and then notice that it is PALPABLY slow on modern pentium because it lacks ANY disk cache etc.
1488604;1466708070;phf;cmucl doesn't have threads not because it's a baby system. it doesn't have threads because sbcl both made adding functionality of that nature easier and canibalized developers from cmucl
1488605;1466708092;asciilifeform;cannibalized ?
1488606;1466708119;phf;yah
1488607;1466708127;asciilifeform;how?
1488608;1466708224;phf;well, tradeoffs that sbcl made are more in line with modern practices, so there was a transition from old and stodgy cmucl to new and shiny sbcl
1488609;1466708226;asciilifeform;(i have nfi - was there money involved ?)
1488610;1466708275;phf;main thing sbcl did is improve build system at the expense of some of the subsystems (an interpret mainly)
1488611;1466708283;phf;which allowed for more rapid development cycles
1488612;1466708300;asciilifeform;for what do we even need the interp?
1488613;1466708301;asciilifeform;it's dross
1488614;1466708312;phf;for repl work.
1488615;1466708328;asciilifeform;my repl worx...
1488616;1466708342;phf;well, then you should continue working with it :)
1488617;1466708358;asciilifeform;but no, i'm actually curious what i might win by using cmucl
1488618;1466708360;phf;i find 1s eval delays unacceptable when i'm in the zone
1488619;1466708369;asciilifeform;(perfectly possible to dev on one while deploying on other!)
1488620;1466708378;phf;right this very moment, probably nothing
1488621;1466708392;asciilifeform;the beauty of actually standardized prog lang
1488622;1466708392;phf;oh, shit, sorry, i'm late for something, i'll pick up this conversation later
1488623;1466708409;asciilifeform;ok
1488624;1466708420;asciilifeform;thx for fixing log, phf
1488625;1466710307;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488111 << the guy's defense, notably, "yes it's collecting butterflies - there's nothing wrong with that" is actually tendentious. it's NOT collecting butterflies. yes, it COULD BE, but i don't see any of that happening. just a bunch of "we have butterflies in this black box, come hear about our weight loss ideas" typically ustarded marketing and "engineering"
1488626;1466710307;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 14:30 Framedragger: (e.g. i agree with chomsky's "There is a notion of success ... which I think is novel in the history of science. It interprets success as approximating unanalyzed data." which does indeed suck.)
1488627;1466710360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ethereum difficulty is, if memory serves, ~50TH. so about half that.
1488628;1466710388;mircea_popescu;(it went up by about 4x since last year. hardware's the most expensive part of a scamcoin.)
1488629;1466710596;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i didn't say 'cost to 51%'. but to get arbitrary valid tx mined in the face of 'soft fork'
1488630;1466710636;mircea_popescu;but this is what a soft fork is ?
1488631;1466710643;mircea_popescu;ANY soft fork can be unrolled by anyone holding 51%.
1488632;1466710652;mircea_popescu;at any point, also.
1488633;1466710698;asciilifeform;unless there is something radically different re ethercrud vs btc, 51% only gives you doublespend
1488634;1466710726;asciilifeform;what i asked after was the rough equivalent of mining a high-S btc tx.
1488635;1466710751;asciilifeform;(which theoretically could be done for a few btc if you were willing to wait a year)
1488636;1466710759;mircea_popescu;let's follow this. so i mine the next block. 49% guy mines the 2nd. i build on mine.
1488637;1466710763;mircea_popescu;eventually, i own the chain.
1488638;1466710767;mircea_popescu;problem solved. what ?
1488639;1466710864;asciilifeform;i suppose this depends on 'how soft' is the soft fork (are miners merely rejecting 'tainted' tx, or also deliberately orphaning any block which contains one ?)
1488640;1466710890;mircea_popescu;they can do whatever they want. 51% means they don't get to have an opinion.
1488641;1466710896;mircea_popescu;either they build on my blocks or piss off.
1488642;1466710959;asciilifeform;aha, race is to the swift, yeah.
1488643;1466710996;asciilifeform;of course this only works if the 51 is made from solid shitanium, rather than fragmentable (with incentives to defect) cartel
1488644;1466711006;mircea_popescu;sure.
1488645;1466711013;mircea_popescu;50TH ain't much.
1488646;1466711027;asciilifeform;(e.g., say mircea_popescu issues a tx with a fee consisting of ~whole thing!!)
1488647;1466711041;mircea_popescu;this appears to be a wide open venue.
1488648;1466711051;mircea_popescu;but hey, they'll "fix it".
1488649;1466711083;mircea_popescu;this, incidentally, is EXACTLY what technology debt means. apply bullshit "fixes" as MIT & co bright minds produce,
1488650;1466711094;mircea_popescu;end up stuck forever defending nuclear waste under heavy guard.
1488651;1466711106;mircea_popescu;"anyone who ever gets 51% can fuck up this historical item worth this many mn coins. hurr!"
1488652;1466711167;mircea_popescu;and again, the thing that fascinated me in http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/ (ie, how marginally inept cs derp behaves as fully fledged us-style "journalist" without specific training) fascinates me again : these derps rebuild the pentagon.
1488653;1466711182;mircea_popescu;how the ever living fuck, they're not smart enough ?! they're not educated enough, not experienced enough,
1488654;1466711208;mircea_popescu;it's almost like the seeds of disaster are by now epigenetic, the population carries them like the swine carry ascari lumbricoides.
1488655;1466711208;*;asciilifeform tried to calculate approx cost of nuking eth via 51%, but realized that no one has any public idea re what miner costs presently
1488656;1466711212;mircea_popescu;nothing they can do if they wanted.
1488657;1466711218;asciilifeform;but at 2015 prices it would cost roughly what a toyota costs.
1488658;1466711234;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform eminently botable.
1488659;1466711238;mircea_popescu;see, eg,
1488660;1466711245;mircea_popescu;$google "how to mine ethereum on a windows pc"
1488661;1466711246;deedbot;https://www.cryptocompare.com/mining/guides/how-to-mine-ethereum/ << How to mine Ethereum on a Windows PC? - Mining Tutorial ... | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKtwSH6inBs << How to Mine Ethereum on a Windows PC -- 6 Steps - YouTube | http://cryptomining-blog.com/5323-quick-guide-on-how-to-mine-ethereum-on-windows/ << Quick Guide on How to Mine Ethereum on Windows - Crypto Mining ...
1488662;1466711256;asciilifeform;there is not nor have ever been a working gpu bot.
1488663;1466711278;*;asciilifeform spent years trawling through malware samples collected at tremendous expense, in search of ONE
1488664;1466711290;mircea_popescu;aha.
1488665;1466711313;asciilifeform;now calculate how many, say, 4GH winblowz chumps add up to 50TH.
1488666;1466711326;asciilifeform;i'm not certain that qty of boxes has ever been ~sold~
1488667;1466711332;asciilifeform;much less botted.
1488668;1466711334;mircea_popescu;10k ?
1488669;1466711340;asciilifeform;nope.
1488670;1466711342;asciilifeform;more like 100M.
1488671;1466711349;mircea_popescu;mega, giga, tera ?
1488672;1466711383;asciilifeform;worse
1488673;1466711400;asciilifeform;let's be generous and give half a megahash (unheard of) per chump
1488674;1466711425;mircea_popescu;understand : ethereum pretends to be 1/10 of btc financially, while it is 1/10`000`000 hash-wise and outright 1/infinity technologically.
1488675;1466711425;asciilifeform;;;calc (50*10**12) / (500*10**3)
1488676;1466711425;gribble;100000000
1488677;1466711445;asciilifeform;100 mil.
1488678;1466711446;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the top article contains comment saying guy got 17mh on one core out of 5 on modest card.
1488679;1466711449;asciilifeform;woah i got it exact.
1488680;1466711455;asciilifeform;CARD
1488681;1466711456;asciilifeform;CARD mircea_popescu
1488682;1466711461;asciilifeform;there are no working gpu bots!
1488683;1466711465;asciilifeform;because drivers.
1488684;1466711471;asciilifeform;we're doing cpu.
1488685;1466711492;mircea_popescu;heh mkay.
1488686;1466711516;mircea_popescu;"yes, under arbitrary restrains you propose on random particular avenue, things can't be done" tm.
1488687;1466711522;asciilifeform;can, physically.
1488688;1466711532;asciilifeform;just that i never turned up (despite considerable effort) a single example.
1488689;1466711538;asciilifeform;BUT let's say you're nsa and write infector for 100+ variants of gpu.
1488690;1466711540;asciilifeform;and distribute.
1488691;1466711550;mircea_popescu;it'd be doubtful you'd need 5.
1488692;1466711552;asciilifeform;then you need, say, 5-10mil.
1488693;1466711556;asciilifeform;nope.
1488694;1466711563;asciilifeform;there are 100+ wholly incompatible chipsets.
1488695;1466711571;asciilifeform;in circulation.
1488696;1466711572;mircea_popescu;of which the mouthbreathers buy like 3.
1488697;1466711584;asciilifeform;nope, every month they sell new variant.
1488698;1466711596;asciilifeform;konsoomers never notice, only poor schmucks attempting linux etc.
1488699;1466711599;mircea_popescu;what can i tell ya. ~50 th, it's what it is.
1488700;1466711618;asciilifeform;anyway nsa needs 5-10mil. boxes with reasonably fresh gpu.
1488701;1466711627;asciilifeform;asic is cheaper.
1488702;1466711648;asciilifeform;(esp if you pwn a few boxes connected to existing asic...)
1488703;1466711672;mircea_popescu;it's not altogether clear anyone bothered to bake one yet.
1488704;1466711678;asciilifeform;waiwut
1488705;1466711682;asciilifeform;i thought eth used btc workfunction
1488706;1466711695;*;asciilifeform probably condemned to actually read about the thing isnthe.
1488707;1466711717;asciilifeform;if it doesn't, where did they get 50TH of it...
1488708;1466711744;mircea_popescu;~10k or so gpu machines ?
1488709;1466711760;mircea_popescu;anyway, they use some shit supposedly memory hard, whatever.
1488710;1466711767;asciilifeform;looks like something vaguely like scrypt.
1488711;1466711774;asciilifeform;prolly running on fpga.
1488712;1466711775;mircea_popescu;which they intend to CHANGE anyway, so it's a bit iffy to bake for the idiots.
1488713;1466711783;asciilifeform;hey hey ho ho THAT's where the fpga farms went.
1488714;1466711790;thestringpuller;oh yea. they want to use proof of stake
1488715;1466711796;*;asciilifeform predicted that a use would be found for them.
1488716;1466711797;thestringpuller;didn't asciilifeform disprove that already?
1488717;1466711805;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's mostly "cloud" bullshit anyway, so don't regard any of this as peculiarly reliable info.
1488718;1466711814;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very easy to change if they bought up all the old fpga farms.
1488719;1466711823;mircea_popescu;sure.
1488720;1466711826;asciilifeform;the ONE thing they're good for.
1488721;1466711829;asciilifeform;(crackpot alts)
1488722;1466711834;mircea_popescu;sure, sure.
1488723;1466711857;asciilifeform;incidentally i wouldn't rule out a kleptographic hash algo
1488724;1466711871;asciilifeform;(lets you simulate titanic hashrate with barely any effort, if you know the boojum)
1488725;1466711916;asciilifeform;(if there isn't a whole directorate at nsa concerning solely this, they are truly for the dogs)
1488726;1466711926;mircea_popescu;i am actually suspecting something like this exists in ethereum, but meh, not worth the chase atm.
1488727;1466711948;asciilifeform;if it existed, why would they stop at faking 50T
1488728;1466711951;asciilifeform;why not 50P.
1488729;1466711955;asciilifeform;but worth thinking about.
1488730;1466711962;mircea_popescu;well, they have their plans and stupid shit.
1488731;1466711973;asciilifeform;if the ramp ever reaches 1P, we now know how.
1488732;1466711974;mircea_popescu;"if man had kalash, why'd man stop at orlando gay bar"
1488733;1466711977;mircea_popescu;"because man is an idiot."
1488734;1466712038;asciilifeform;kleptohash is interesting concept.
1488735;1466712057;mircea_popescu;in the sense that double-trapdoors interest you
1488736;1466712067;asciilifeform;very much inline with nsa 'NOBUS' ('nobody but us' doctrine.)
1488737;1466712095;asciilifeform;e.g., the dual_ec_drbg incident.
1488738;1466712105;asciilifeform;(and countless others.)
1488739;1466712121;mircea_popescu;an identity crisis with generous sidings of inferiority complex if i ever saw one.
1488740;1466712173;asciilifeform;it leverages what they have. (seats on standards committees, stooges in open sores, etc.)
1488741;1466712195;mircea_popescu;i guess.
1488742;1466712227;asciilifeform;anyway i've only recently grudgingly swallowed hypothesis that ORIGINAL btc pow isn't kleptographic.
1488743;1466712236;asciilifeform;(which is where i even started looking...)
1488744;1466712271;mircea_popescu;wasn't this an ancient thread between us ?
1488745;1466712275;asciilifeform;it was
1488746;1466712282;asciilifeform;iirc possibly our first one, in fact.
1488747;1466712287;mircea_popescu;something like that.
1488748;1466712446;asciilifeform;http://cryptomining-blog.com/tag/ethminer << claims gpu only..
1488749;1466712456;mircea_popescu;yeah well.
1488750;1466712514;asciilifeform;https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/blob/master/Dagger-Hashimoto.md << algo.
1488751;1466712527;asciilifeform;http://vitalik.ca/ethereum/dagger.html << lol 404
1488752;1466712547;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20160317002641/http://vitalik.ca/ethereum/dagger.html << appears
1488753;1466712599;asciilifeform;http://vaurum.com/hashimoto.pdf << goes to some spam co
1488754;1466712613;asciilifeform;'Mirror makes structured products designed to help private market investors get exposure and hedge risk in late-stage companies.'
1488755;1466712661;mircea_popescu;heh
1488756;1466712730;asciilifeform;'The idea behind the original Hashimoto is to use the blockchain as a dataset, performing a computation which selects N indices from the blockchain, gathers the transactions at those indices, performs an XOR of this data, and returns the hash of the result.' << sounds like braindamaged version of mircea_popescu's algo
1488757;1466712747;mircea_popescu;nono, that never happened. hanno boeck published it first!
1488758;1466712753;asciilifeform;apppaaarently
1488759;1466712758;mircea_popescu;anyway, whatevs.
1488760;1466712784;mircea_popescu;i'm in the enviable position of not really needing a cv for anything.
1488761;1466712823;asciilifeform;it is quite impossible: boecks will appear and claim to have done each item, first!11111
1488762;1466712899;asciilifeform;at any rate, 'hash the blocks' is a pretty obvious thing imho, like 'train cars ought to have linked brakes' - both nevertheless omitted for various jwzistic reasons from the originals
1488763;1466712918;Framedragger;from reddit, "The DAO hacker gives an interview" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O5fdMFKEC0 (works for me as i don't understand spanish)
1488764;1466713009;asciilifeform;'Together women accomplish amazing things. Google supports #LeanInTogether' << google usa front page.
1488765;1466713020;asciilifeform;i misread as 'lenin-ing together'
1488766;1466713477;shinohai;https://twitter.com/trumpchain/status/746063915969241088
1488767;1466713562;ben_vulpes;'lemming together'
1488768;1466715594;mircea_popescu;shinohai so ask him if he really is a virgin.
1488769;1466715606;mircea_popescu;inquisitive orlando survivors wish to know.
1488770;1466715666;mircea_popescu;Framedragger why's it in espanol
1488771;1466715916;jurov;Framedragger: I started fetching the keys shortly after they cleaned them
1488772;1466716527;mircea_popescu;"And yes, it seems clear that an adult speaker of English does know billions of language facts (for example, that one says "big game" rather than "large game" when talking about an important football game). These facts must somehow be encoded in the brain. "
1488773;1466716530;mircea_popescu;fucktards already
1488774;1466716597;mircea_popescu;"an adult who paid attention in calculus does in fact know billions of numeric facts (for example, that one says 45345333×54353453=2464675425984849 rather than 95). these facts must somehow be encoded in the brain."
1488775;1466716607;mircea_popescu;yeah, as a context-free grammar, i'm sure.
1488776;1466716784;mircea_popescu;anyway. the best point in the entire piece is the observation that probabilistic models are much better at making sense of linguistic evolution. for this reason alone they're prolly worth looking into.
1488777;1466717804;asciilifeform;$up diametric
1488778;1466717804;deedbot;diametric voiced for 30 minutes.
1488779;1466717824;asciilifeform;hm he oughta be self-powered iirc
1488780;1466717833;mircea_popescu;hm ?
1488781;1466717835;asciilifeform;(possibly not awake just now)
1488782;1466717847;asciilifeform;whatever happened to bitcoinalpha
1488783;1466717858;asciilifeform;still in limbo?
1488784;1466717862;asciilifeform;;;seen mike_c
1488785;1466717863;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #trilema 8 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 36 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <mike_c> at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
1488786;1466717916;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488519 << eh, what crowd. there wasn't a crowd for that one, not within a mile. that's the point of the article.
1488787;1466717916;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 16:19 asciilifeform: random fire dun hit much in a 3d world.
1488788;1466717929;mircea_popescu;yeah, still no word.
1488789;1466717998;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488536 << which is why the boston shooting thing is a lot more suspect than the orlando thing.
1488790;1466717998;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 16:28 asciilifeform: this is elementary.
1488791;1466718024;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488540 << well, mythical pcp is that drug.
1488792;1466718024;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 16:32 trinque: G4S has previously been accused of improperly vetting its employees. In 2009, Danny Fitzsimons, a former British paratrooper and employee of a G4S subsidiary, killed two colleagues in Iraq, claiming to be “the antichrist” and saying he “must satisfy” his “bloodlust.” << wouldn't blow my mind that $lizardhitler has a drug that induces this
1488793;1466718043;mircea_popescu;clinical pcp is a lot more boring, in general, but not universally.
1488794;1466718097;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488544 <<< the beauty of 2nd generation date rape drugs is that the victim will gleefully assist you to eg. rob their car.
1488795;1466718097;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 16:34 asciilifeform: (the dope is for when you need minister of finance whateverthefuck to start spewing rubbish on camera, or jump from his window with only mild assistance, etc)
1488796;1466718363;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488551 << gotta love the overload there, really, like bitcoin ? but anyway.
1488797;1466718363;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 17:33 asciilifeform: usg coin has 100% usg-compliant minerz? nyooz at 11.
1488798;1466718404;mircea_popescu;there's ~one ethereum trader and ~one ethereum miner, in the sense there's ~one person in any set of clothes. some mites etc also there, but they generally "don't count".
1488799;1466718442;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488554 << you forgot the best part. "3. and this masturbatory bullshit is THE WORLD ; and your actual world is JUST LIKE THIS."
1488800;1466718442;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 17:36 asciilifeform: the peter todd turd is a true classic of its genre: 'we gotta commit an atrocity. but we first will get CONSENSOOOS!!1111 so then it won't be an atrocity, fuckyou. and btw we control the vertical and the horizontal and all the votez, so fuckyou.x2'
1488801;1466718455;mircea_popescu;anyway ; whatever.
1488802;1466718789;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488618 << this i can see.
1488803;1466718789;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 18:59 phf: i find 1s eval delays unacceptable when i'm in the zone
1488804;1466719424;shinohai;curl http://bitcoinstrings.com/blk00552.txt | grep 'Mircea Popescu'   <<< LOL
1488805;1466719583;shinohai;The things one finds rummaging around.
1488806;1466719794;mircea_popescu;lol
1488807;1466720135;shinohai;Cries for Hard fork abound in the ethereum subreddit due to the new message sent by the hacker via Bitcoin Suisse
1488808;1466720547;asciilifeform;shinohai: link ?
1488809;1466720628;asciilifeform;shinohai: and which block is that in
1488810;1466720906;shinohai;the link is in the curl asciilifeform lemme see which block
1488811;1466721254;thestringpuller;;;seen trinque
1488812;1466721255;gribble;trinque was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 55 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <trinque> what www thinger do you use? hunchenfart?
1488813;1466721257;asciilifeform;shinohai et al: imho if yer gonna mention 'and on reddit...' it is good form to post link, so that folks who refuse to reddit can follow thread.
1488814;1466721279;trinque;hm made by Anduck
1488815;1466721289;trinque;I should hit this thing with a bot and run his bandwidth bill up
1488816;1466721291;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but i ain't dredging through kilometre-deep pile of liquid shit.
1488817;1466721296;*;trinque never forgets
1488818;1466721359;thestringpuller;trinque: is there a sql wot dump?
1488819;1466721380;phf;thestringpuller: sexp hard or go home
1488820;1466721502;Bugpowder;not that i have seen
1488821;1466721502;Bugpowder;only the redditpost
1488822;1466721528;trinque;what reddit post
1488823;1466721533;asciilifeform;another one who assumes that everyone reads motherfucking reddit ?"!
1488824;1466721542;trinque;beatins
1488825;1466721551;trinque;thestringpuller: nah not yet; I'll let you know
1488826;1466721570;trinque;though you may want to use the sexp. I wrote deedbot such that it doesn't actually care much about SQL
1488827;1466721580;trinque;intention being to replace the sql db with a CLOS one when I bother
1488828;1466721663;asciilifeform;saying 'i read on reddit...' without link is quite pointless, you already admitted to habitually fucking farm animals, why not then share whether goat snatch is tight or not, it won't hurt
1488829;1466721700;asciilifeform;for srs, if you don't intend to quit bad habit, 'own' it.
1488830;1466721791;Bugpowder;segwit merged?
1488831;1466721803;Bugpowder;https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/746108279655301120
1488832;1466721829;asciilifeform;let'em merge 'rm -rf /' for all i care.
1488833;1466721884;asciilifeform;i can't wait for prb to formally break protocol.
1488834;1466721893;asciilifeform;will make my filtration work considerably easier.
1488835;1466721916;thestringpuller;phf: i'll have to write lisp to import it into a new sql db
1488836;1466721926;thestringpuller;which sure, whatever, but not how I wanted to learn lisp
1488837;1466721951;trinque;itt thestringpuller learns to lisp ass first
1488838;1466722087;trinque;sgt asciilifeform hazes another conscript into tears
1488839;1466722093;trinque;thestringpuller: dumping db 1sec
1488840;1466722432;trinque;thestringpuller: http://deedbot.org/wot.sql.bz2 http://deedbot.org/wot.sql.bz2.asc
1488841;1466722540;shinohai;For asciilifeform http://archive.is/rbR58 I'm sorry that person trolling the data mines fir a Qntra offends thy person so.
1488842;1466722549;shinohai;Someone's got to do it.
1488843;1466722719;asciilifeform;shinohai: lulzy. buterin drains own shit bottle, rebrands as 'whitehat attacker', then signs message. voila, 'nobody' gives a fuck re original message.
1488844;1466722753;asciilifeform;then, next, plays cloak'n'dagger games with reddit, etc.
1488845;1466722833;asciilifeform;even in shinohai's summary, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488807 -- it was quite unclear what is 'the hacker'
1488846;1466722833;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 22:15 shinohai: Cries for Hard fork abound in the ethereum subreddit due to the new message sent by the hacker via Bitcoin Suisse
1488847;1466722840;asciilifeform;sorta implied original stunt's protagonist.
1488848;1466722865;thestringpuller;trinque: dl'ing now. i'll import into psql.
1488849;1466722884;asciilifeform;(for anyone not tuned in, 'white hat attacker' was the me-too draining of the remaining dao by buterin et al)
1488850;1466722909;thestringpuller;also thanks trinque much appreciated
1488851;1466723201;trinque;yw
1488852;1466723512;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488831   <<< couldn't see it, his holiness aaop has me blocked on twitter.
1488853;1466723512;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 22:43 Bugpowder: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/746108279655301120
1488854;1466723533;asciilifeform;^ advantage of having no account there
1488855;1466723788;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488771 << thinking about it... was this coincidental ?!
1488856;1466723789;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 21:05 jurov: Framedragger: I started fetching the keys shortly after they cleaned them
1488857;1466723843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: enemy can gcd as well as anybody
1488858;1466723873;asciilifeform;i expect that obviously phuctorable keyz will vanish from sks in not too long, likewise.
1488859;1466723896;mircea_popescu;aha, but enemy hasn't, for a while, then we started talking about it and welll...
1488860;1466723908;asciilifeform;they've had eons.
1488861;1466723968;Framedragger;don't get your hopes of grandeur up folks, the timeline may simply fit
1488862;1466724013;Framedragger;from https://blog.benjojo.co.uk/post/auditing-github-users-keys , some keys appear to be revoked a ~year ago; i'm sure further audits and removals followed.
1488863;1466724022;Framedragger;*to have been
1488864;1466724049;mircea_popescu;ah, so then not that shortly.
1488865;1466724615;Framedragger;could have been multiple instances of cleansing, unknown, i guess
1488866;1466724641;mircea_popescu;in fairness i had no idea of this whole bejojo thing, so.
1488867;1466724672;Framedragger;but it's "in the logz!!" :D (first mentioned by me, earlier today) yeah nvm
1488868;1466724688;mircea_popescu;ikr.
1488869;1466724715;mircea_popescu;anyway, he says mid 2015. so not that shortly.
1488870;1466724733;Framedragger;true.
1488871;1466724882;mircea_popescu;so did the brits quit or what ?
1488872;1466724917;Framedragger;i literally forgot about that :D
1488873;1466724921;mircea_popescu;check that out, 50.5% leave 49.5% stay ?
1488874;1466724922;Framedragger;huh need to check i guess\
1488875;1466724926;Framedragger;what
1488876;1466724929;mircea_popescu;ikr!
1488877;1466724951;Framedragger;"i should think better about where i live, next time"
1488878;1466724989;Framedragger;i think 5am or 6am BST last results come in or sth
1488879;1466725005;Framedragger;wait you weren't joking
1488880;1466725024;Framedragger;FX traders must be having a field ngiht
1488881;1466725032;mircea_popescu;sundereland is like 61% to elavce
1488882;1466725105;Framedragger;scotland is like 70% for remain iirc? theirs are coming at 5am maybe, but then scotland is smallish
1488883;1466725120;mircea_popescu;but i mean, the predictions throughout are a complete joke. newcastle predicted 66/33 actual 50/49
1488884;1466725131;Framedragger;yeah i know!!
1488885;1466725144;Framedragger;lol at predictions.
1488886;1466725146;asciilifeform;50/49 exist in usgland where bushes and gores pointlessly antler one another in ritual combat.
1488887;1466725149;asciilifeform;and nowhere else.
1488888;1466725164;mircea_popescu;well, uk.
1488889;1466725171;asciilifeform;which is guess in what.
1488890;1466725175;Framedragger;heh
1488891;1466725186;mircea_popescu;in the shitter ?
1488892;1466725194;asciilifeform;in the red white an' blue shitter.
1488893;1466725203;asciilifeform;since '45 at least.
1488894;1466725206;Framedragger;only with more inbreeding
1488895;1466725216;Framedragger;well, debatable
1488896;1466725381;mircea_popescu;anyway, so what'll an independent uk do ? petition to join puerto rico ?
1488897;1466725423;Framedragger;soo "pound drops after sunderland result", yeah heh
1488898;1466725438;Framedragger;no see they'll renegotiate a better ttip deal, all by themselves
1488899;1466725438;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no such thing - reich wears belt and suspenders before putting on idiot show. they're locked into overlapping treaties to ~same effect as eu membership.
1488900;1466725441;Framedragger;cause they all grown up
1488901;1466725441;asciilifeform;at least where it counts.
1488902;1466725474;asciilifeform;england will certainly remain in the caliphate.
1488903;1466725475;mircea_popescu;heh. treaties aren't binding more than you know, greek debt is
1488904;1466725483;mircea_popescu;SOVEREIGNITY! DEMOCRACY! PEOPLE THEMSELVES!
1488905;1466725483;asciilifeform;they are when they are.
1488906;1466725488;Framedragger;suppose so.
1488907;1466725496;asciilifeform;beoblethemselves.
1488908;1466725506;Framedragger;is australia still fighting marlboro in HK?
1488909;1466725525;mircea_popescu;maybe uk joins syria, iran and labia in new commonwealth.
1488910;1466725541;trinque;isn't that what nationalists do? tear up treaties?
1488911;1466725542;*;asciilifeform falls down
1488912;1466725549;mircea_popescu;that'd be pretty good, muslims never had an airstrip one.
1488913;1466725556;mircea_popescu;trinque generally, yea.
1488914;1466725557;asciilifeform;libya-->labia and then civil war splits into minora and majora...
1488915;1466725562;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform :)
1488916;1466725568;Framedragger;yeah i wonder what imperial rule would do there huh
1488917;1466725570;mircea_popescu;i have a way with words!
1488918;1466725826;Framedragger;my imagination is dry in regards to what interesting things uk could do. maybe uk is simply that glib and uninspiring
1488919;1466725835;mircea_popescu;in other news, google search can't actually see inside facebook can it.
1488920;1466725848;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not by default iirc.
1488921;1466725876;mircea_popescu;they got a problem don't they ? missing out on most of the shannonized / markov chained "content" production these days
1488922;1466725898;Framedragger;orly, but it used to be able to, no? that's what every shitsite wants, for search engines to index, but not to show same stuff to unregistered visitors (linkedin does that with google vs. users i think..)
1488923;1466725910;asciilifeform;half the point of walled aols is to corral the chumpers into custom search crapolade
1488924;1466725936;Framedragger;sometimes i think that's the _whole_ point
1488925;1466725949;mircea_popescu;Framedragger afair it had a deal back in 2010ish ? with twitter too ; then twitter backed out, was a bit of a scandal, then i gues fb backed out quietly.
1488926;1466725971;Framedragger;oh, interesting, i should check, juicy drama!
1488927;1466725988;mircea_popescu;i've but a vague memory, i keep about as close tabs on this shitshow as i do on github.
1488928;1466726062;mircea_popescu;anyway, facebook apparently also does this "we'll archive by default ANYTHING linked from our pages and serve it from our own servers. this way we don't leak ips etc, and so nobody will ever figure out just how few users we have."
1488929;1466726149;Framedragger;heheheh. some kind of insecurity of "no don't leave our site, look we collected your shit for you!"
1488930;1466726177;Framedragger;that's your shit right there. and some ads. on the shit
1488931;1466726308;mircea_popescu;shinohai anyway, if you're into twitter trolling, can certainly forward http://trilema.com/2016/pizdi/ to #niunamenos
1488932;1466726337;asciilifeform;if only sp folk properly appreciated 'pizdi'
1488933;1466726365;mircea_popescu;well, exactly like pili, except the weak-ass l is replaced by the zdrongezt consonant known to man.
1488934;1466726440;*;Framedragger off to bed, looking forward to breakfast in unclear political territory (well when was it ever clear)
1488935;1466726573;mircea_popescu;people in my (and i guess also your) part of the world did a lot of traveling around europe while staying home
1488936;1466726584;mircea_popescu;austria, poland, france, russia, etc.
1488937;1466727576;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGBn-UXpna4
1488938;1466727725;asciilifeform;wats this
1488939;1466727730;asciilifeform;sounds extremely turkish
1488940;1466727758;mircea_popescu;this is actually romanian. gypsy wanna-be sampled a video of orchestra, put his track on top
1488941;1466727797;asciilifeform;l0l!!
1488942;1466727802;mircea_popescu;aha.
1488943;1466727878;mircea_popescu;there's an immense pile of these, they all sound the same, it's a whole subculture.
1488944;1466727904;asciilifeform;in other not at all nyooz, http://everything2.com/title/Fast+6502+multiplication << witness the non-pedi-wikia.
1488945;1466727912;mircea_popescu;complete with all the sclerotic tissue of say hollywood, reproduced at scale.
1488946;1466728006;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually long multiply as squares and sums is not half of a bad idea, because binary processor.
1488947;1466728053;mircea_popescu;and ALSO exactly homomorphic to why i said division doesn't belong in there.
1488948;1466728056;asciilifeform;i was sitting for last 20min working out whether this is actually faster than treating the nibbles as digits and table-ating the resulting 'bignum mult' or not
1488949;1466728066;asciilifeform;then got distracted.
1488950;1466728091;mircea_popescu;ie a sort of reverse-plouffe ?
1488951;1466728096;mircea_popescu;my baseless guess would be that yes.,
1488952;1466729038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: soooo... let's split bytes p, q into nibbles, p0, p1; q0, q1; p = p1 + 16p2, q = q1 + 16q2
1488953;1466729081;asciilifeform;p * q = p1q1 + 16p2q1 + 16p1q2 + 256p2q2
1488954;1466729123;asciilifeform;... = p1q1 + (p2q1 << 4) + (p1q2 << 4) + (p2q2 << 8)
1488955;1466729149;asciilifeform;we never do the last term's shling because we know that it is 2nd byte of result.
1488956;1466729181;asciilifeform;so we have mult table lookups (we made a 16x16, or 256bt mult table for nibblez)
1488957;1466729187;asciilifeform;4 of'em
1488958;1466729321;asciilifeform;we can do the high nibble of the low byte as one add-with-carry followed by a collective shlykk
1488959;1466729345;asciilifeform;^ yes this is how to pronounce left-shift per asciilifeform
1488960;1466729431;asciilifeform;(6502 didn't have a barrel shifter, so a shift is a 2-cycle op per bit, assuming num is in accumulator.)
1488961;1466729515;asciilifeform;anyway i'm lazy, ... but it still looks faster than the cited 151 cycle worst-case on e2
1488962;1466729547;asciilifeform;any other 8bit sinners here can tell me wtf i'm missing? mircea_popescu ? gernika ?
1488963;1466730094;asciilifeform;http://everything2.com/title/The+Arms+Race+between+Moths+and+Bats << also interesting, in re parallels with modern aerial combat..
1488964;1466730328;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> "open that can!" "Smash that wall!" etc. << heheh
1488965;1466731792;asciilifeform;lel re us mil: http://everything2.com/title/Project+100%252C000
1488966;1466731817;asciilifeform;'Two months later, on October 1st, as an adjunct to Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty, Robert Strange McNamara started inducting into the military men who previously would not have qualified in a million years. He called it Project 100,000 ...'
1488967;1466732389;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so you do 4 mults which are iirc 32 cycles each + 3 shifts and 4 additions, for a grand total of ~200
1488968;1466732396;asciilifeform;mno
1488969;1466732399;asciilifeform;we do NO MULTS
1488970;1466732403;asciilifeform;because 6502 aint got no mul.
1488971;1466732406;mircea_popescu;p1q1 < ?
1488972;1466732409;asciilifeform;it's a table lookup !
1488973;1466732420;asciilifeform;4x4 bit.
1488974;1466732432;mircea_popescu;ah right.
1488975;1466732441;mircea_popescu;pretty big table
1488976;1466732445;asciilifeform;256 byte.
1488977;1466732482;mircea_popescu;can this live in l1 ?
1488978;1466732493;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu has been smoking some strange or wut
1488979;1466732494;asciilifeform;what l1
1488980;1466732499;asciilifeform;it's a 6502
1488981;1466732519;asciilifeform;http://www.visual6502.org/JSSim/index.html << him.
1488982;1466732529;mircea_popescu;no cache
1488983;1466732535;asciilifeform;no cache.
1488984;1466732539;mircea_popescu;so you seriously talk to the bus each time ?
1488985;1466732546;asciilifeform;aha
1488986;1466732551;mircea_popescu;this can't be fast.
1488987;1466732552;asciilifeform;which had sram hanging off, so who cared
1488988;1466732556;mircea_popescu;hm.
1488989;1466732563;asciilifeform;like mircea_popescu's z80
1488990;1466732568;mircea_popescu;it's a mhz cpu tho, slow as fuck
1488991;1466732586;asciilifeform;the period ver went to 2Mhz
1488992;1466732592;asciilifeform;today's will happily do 20
1488993;1466732596;mircea_popescu;actually uses exactly the 8080 bus huh
1488994;1466732599;asciilifeform;(yes it is in production. pacemakers.)
1488995;1466732606;asciilifeform;i have a couple here.
1488996;1466732622;mircea_popescu;well i have nfi. all my memories are clearly from a different era wtf 20mhz
1488997;1466732631;asciilifeform;mine also!
1488998;1466732642;asciilifeform;i was astonished as well, last year, to learn that it never died
1488999;1466732649;asciilifeform;same guy even, making it.
1489000;1466732653;mircea_popescu;i seriously think if one proposed 20mhz people'd have been "you'll asphyxiate going that fast"
1489001;1466732654;asciilifeform;as in '70s
1489002;1466732729;mircea_popescu;apparently mos tech actually did the "design" oilpen on paper
1489003;1466732735;mircea_popescu;well, "paper". vellum.
1489004;1466732737;asciilifeform;like most people then.
1489005;1466732741;asciilifeform;celluloid iirc.
1489006;1466732780;asciilifeform;at one point it was blokes rolling black electrical tape onto giant celluloid. hence expression 'tapeout', still used today
1489007;1466732832;asciilifeform;6502 : ~3.5k transistorz.
1489008;1466732990;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1488966 << marian reform!
1489009;1466732990;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 01:30 asciilifeform: 'Two months later, on October 1st, as an adjunct to Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty, Robert Strange McNamara started inducting into the military men who previously would not have qualified in a million years. He called it Project 100,000 ...'
1489010;1466732995;asciilifeform;aha!!
1489011;1466733064;mircea_popescu;actually... your table needn't be as large as 256.
1489012;1466733071;asciilifeform;ah yes!
1489013;1466733073;asciilifeform;half of that.
1489014;1466733080;mircea_popescu;there's no need to look up 3 * 4 and 4 * 3 aha
1489015;1466733081;*;asciilifeform bangs head on desk
1489016;1466733130;asciilifeform;incidentally
1489017;1466733137;asciilifeform;you don't have to <<4 anything either
1489018;1466733139;asciilifeform;can make a table.
1489019;1466733148;mircea_popescu;shifts are fast tho
1489020;1466733153;asciilifeform;nope
1489021;1466733156;mircea_popescu;uh.
1489022;1466733157;asciilifeform;4 x 2 cycle
1489023;1466733165;asciilifeform;6502 had no barrrel shifter
1489024;1466733170;mircea_popescu;o really ?
1489025;1466733182;mircea_popescu;still, how the fuck your lookup is going to be less than 8 cycles, you need 2 to call and 2 to return
1489026;1466733188;asciilifeform;each shift was 2cyc instruction (assuming payload is in A reg, otherwise worse)
1489027;1466733201;asciilifeform;lookup is 4 cycle.
1489028;1466733211;mircea_popescu;not 4+io ?
1489029;1466733230;mircea_popescu;i mean in terms of time per se not just cycles.
1489030;1466733234;asciilifeform;e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4da28cef-336b-4f39-bf0f-5614aa90d653/
1489031;1466733253;asciilifeform;remove the rts and inline the procedure to shave cost of the return (which is titanic)
1489032;1466733265;asciilifeform;cycles == time
1489033;1466733285;mircea_popescu;the ram has no latency in all this ?
1489034;1466733296;asciilifeform;this is included in the cycle count
1489035;1466733302;mircea_popescu;no way ?!
1489036;1466733305;asciilifeform;but no, sram has no meaningful (at 6502 speed) latency
1489037;1466733315;mircea_popescu;ah it can actually control sram ?
1489038;1466733326;asciilifeform;a set of flippy switches can control sram
1489039;1466733331;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is prolly thinking of dram
1489040;1466733337;asciilifeform;the gnarly pile of shit that we use today
1489041;1466733341;mircea_popescu;oh i am yes.
1489042;1466733354;asciilifeform;sram is where you have the actual bistable circuits
1489043;1466733364;mircea_popescu;s is right next to d!
1489044;1466733367;asciilifeform;that sit there happily drawing a femtoamp each
1489045;1466733369;asciilifeform;lel
1489046;1466733420;asciilifeform;and now for the fastest 8bx8b mul of all:
1489047;1466733422;mircea_popescu;still, it's what, 100ns ?
1489048;1466733427;asciilifeform;a 32kb times table!
1489049;1466733433;asciilifeform;only eats half the address space, lel.
1489050;1466733439;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 10 is typical
1489051;1466733445;mircea_popescu;that good ? aite.
1489052;1466733452;mircea_popescu;you know, old tech progressed lots since the 70s
1489053;1466733493;asciilifeform;i was quite astonished to learn that sram costs only a couple times less today than in early '90s
1489054;1466733552;asciilifeform;(really from the market for standalone sram chips drying up, i suspect)
1489055;1466733566;mircea_popescu;possibly
1489056;1466733582;asciilifeform;still, interestingly, available...
1489057;1466733589;*;asciilifeform suspects that 99% of it is used with fpga
1489058;1466733603;mircea_popescu;well, and all the iot crapolade
1489059;1466733607;asciilifeform;nope, not them
1489060;1466733610;asciilifeform;no sram in there.
1489061;1466733614;mircea_popescu;really ?
1489062;1466733621;asciilifeform;well certainly not in own chip package!
1489063;1466733631;asciilifeform;on dies with 'system on chip' crapola - plenty
1489064;1466733640;mircea_popescu;i'd expect they cut corners, what's the budget for "smartening" a juicer, 15 bux ?
1489065;1466733642;asciilifeform;but i was specifically considering standalone 1970s-style package.
1489066;1466733652;mircea_popescu;no i meant soac sort of packages.
1489067;1466733666;mircea_popescu;they still use the chip, however the hot glue is poured atop ya know.
1489068;1466733683;asciilifeform;sram typically gets on die.
1489069;1466733705;asciilifeform;and pieces of shit, e.g., https://wiki.openwrt.org/_media/media/tplink/tl-mr3020/tl-mr3020_top-pcb-gpio-pins.jpg?w=400&tok=e00072 << as i once experimented with for trbification << have dram.
1489070;1466733794;phf;are we moving tmsr infra to 6502?
1489071;1466733840;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm seeing about $1/MB in qty. something like 1990s...
1489072;1466733852;asciilifeform;phf: probably not most of it.
1489073;1466733861;asciilifeform;but for certain applications it could very easily work.
1489074;1466733893;*;asciilifeform brb
1489075;1466733909;mircea_popescu;phf more like keeping "unlikely" venue wide open
1489076;1466733941;phf;i'm sure you've seen cl-6502, and i think there's a compiler from the same guy (or perhaps cl-6502 has a compiler too i don't quite remember)
1489077;1466733959;mircea_popescu;and from the other perspective, you can have this ensemble in a baloon and solar powered. etc.
1489078;1466734058;BingoBoingo;http://www.riverfronttimes.com/artsblog/2016/06/13/the-st-louis-entrepreneur-behind-greendals-wants-you-to-wear-tires
1489079;1466734074;mircea_popescu;full spectrum dominance, you know ? "first we fuck up your scamcoin, on ops basis, then you spend all you got to try and prop it somewhere around 70% of what it was, then you try to attack bitcoin on fin basis, we rape you, then..."
1489080;1466734077;mircea_popescu;that sorta thing
1489081;1466734136;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo ironically, this was great savings initiative in soviet lands 1970s
1489082;1466734142;mircea_popescu;copied after similar 1940s german one.
1489083;1466734153;BingoBoingo;My how history rhymes!
1489084;1466734166;mircea_popescu;if one weren't there one could scarcely believe.
1489085;1466734190;BingoBoingo;Gotta get ready for post-China selling shit to all comers
1489086;1466734298;BingoBoingo;If anyone wants a hole hawg now's the time while TTI is still selling them
1489087;1466734460;BingoBoingo;Also it turns out hole hawg actually is carried by Big Box store
1489088;1466734595;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, ethereum soft fork just got postponed 15k blocks (~2 days).
1489089;1466734736;BingoBoingo;See, if you spam blocks all the time who needs to put spam in the blocks!
1489090;1466734741;mircea_popescu;lol.
1489091;1466734750;phf;future tmsr infra http://66.media.tumblr.com/d69d8e552719e6bba89afe664bf486f7/tumblr_o7nrtnTazH1r49q4co1_500.jpg
1489092;1466734762;mircea_popescu;the problem being more that, of the ~10% miners that voted, the split is about 4:1 in favour. of the rest... well... something more like the reverse.
1489093;1466734819;mircea_popescu;phf i thought it was gonna be slotin and his beryllium hemisphere
1489094;1466734857;phf;we're not there yet, but damn close
1489095;1466734946;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489076 << i linked it a few days ago iirc.
1489096;1466734946;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 02:05 phf: i'm sure you've seen cl-6502, and i think there's a compiler from the same guy (or perhaps cl-6502 has a compiler too i don't quite remember)
1489097;1466734975;asciilifeform;phf: i actually printed out the src and read in hammock, and barfed: it is full of regexp
1489098;1466734976;phf;have you seen this guy too http://josephoswald.nfshost.com/comfy/summary.html ?
1489099;1466734987;asciilifeform;aha!
1489100;1466734993;asciilifeform;lulzily he uses same ancient hoster as i
1489101;1466735009;phf;aww, poop. i thought the guy was pretty cool from his nes emulator. usually the emulator types like to bit twiddle
1489102;1466735035;asciilifeform;i can't hold it against him, really, but couldn't help go 'this is not Lispy!111'
1489103;1466735039;asciilifeform;not such fun read.
1489104;1466735053;phf;how do you even  regex an emulator!
1489105;1466735060;asciilifeform;it isn't only emulator
1489106;1466735062;asciilifeform;also asmer/disasmer
1489107;1466735067;asciilifeform;recall.
1489108;1466735134;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489087 << the actual one ?! i was in a 'home despot' not long ago, they had a plasticy piece of rubbish with that brand
1489109;1466735134;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 02:14 BingoBoingo: Also it turns out hole hawg actually is carried by Big Box store
1489110;1466735181;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well actual one prolly requires Ebay. The new ones are made in China since TTI bought Milwauke
1489111;1466735201;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489091 << bright future! we'll have actual rack, wheely cart
1489112;1466735201;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 02:19 phf: future tmsr infra http://66.media.tumblr.com/d69d8e552719e6bba89afe664bf486f7/tumblr_o7nrtnTazH1r49q4co1_500.jpg
1489113;1466735219;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i often wonder re the chinese toolz, do they wind the motors with aluminum wire yet ?
1489114;1466735223;asciilifeform;or is this marvel still to come.
1489115;1466735242;phf;i suspect those guys wear shoes that don't fall apart after three years either
1489116;1466735246;BingoBoingo;Still to come, which is why buy now before aluminum horror
1489117;1466735267;BingoBoingo;Likely will happen when China decides copper is a strategic good
1489118;1466735271;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo may yet get his wish of petrol-powered hand tools
1489119;1466735282;BingoBoingo;^
1489120;1466735285;asciilifeform;party like it's 1870!111
1489121;1466735297;BingoBoingo;Although the Chicoms now make a lot of the small petrol motors too
1489122;1466735307;asciilifeform;well they won't be making ~these~
1489123;1466735308;phf;sort of like if you were to show a picture of a girl at a gulag discussion will be about how she looks like she eats, swiftly moving into what she might've eaten that morning
1489124;1466735342;asciilifeform;aha.
1489125;1466735356;mircea_popescu;really ?
1489126;1466735418;phf;if one were to believe shalamov
1489127;1466735430;asciilifeform;not everybody believes shalamov.
1489128;1466735433;mircea_popescu;i guess i can see it.
1489129;1466735433;asciilifeform;but in this case - i do.
1489130;1466735458;asciilifeform;(recall the tale with the duck ?)
1489131;1466735555;phf;right, exactly
1489132;1466735613;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489092 << holy shit, no??1
1489133;1466735614;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 02:19 mircea_popescu: the problem being more that, of the ~10% miners that voted, the split is about 4:1 in favour. of the rest... well... something more like the reverse.
1489134;1466735619;asciilifeform;they have no tame miner ??
1489135;1466735637;mircea_popescu;they should.
1489136;1466735638;asciilifeform;and what would 2 days change
1489137;1466735647;asciilifeform;it blew a fuse, and ft meade has to order new one ?
1489138;1466735660;mircea_popescu;ask them! not me!
1489139;1466735695;asciilifeform;well presumably it was mircea_popescu who had a mole in there, hence why i asked him.
1489140;1466735701;mircea_popescu;da fuck anyone knows what goes on through the bright heads that can't light bulbs of us stem unis.
1489141;1466735836;mircea_popescu;this is one of those situations when enema is supposed to show up with 200 tanks and 5k infantry, shows up with three jeeps and two dozen streetwalkers instead. everyone just looks around in embarassment
1489142;1466736011;phf;are there any 6502 computer designs where you have multiple of them sitting on same bus or talking to same memory
1489143;1466736014;*;phf is talking out of ass
1489144;1466736059;mircea_popescu;large pile of sram with a bunch of 6502s around it would make a pretty interesting parallel thing
1489145;1466736232;trinque;sorta like the greenarrays thing?
1489146;1466736266;phf;yeah, i had greenarrays in my original message, but somehow i lost it in edits
1489147;1466736313;phf;afaik greenarrays don't have shared state and talk through neighbors, connection machine style. i was thinking, like mp said, just have them sit on shared memory
1489148;1466736486;trinque;http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/AP003-110810-SRAM.pdf << yeah doesn't do that; converts 4 nodes to sram controller
1489149;1466736588;mircea_popescu;especially as you could make a really large pile of ram
1489150;1466736638;mircea_popescu;honestly if i wanted to make a "human brain model" it'd be something like this, 10k chips sitting around 10 GB worth of ram and talking into it dirtily.
1489151;1466736662;mircea_popescu;3.5k transistors is actually not a bad model for a neuron, as bugpowder may perhaps attest.
1489152;1466737218;phf;this is roughly how the argument went in the connection machine book, but of course they didn't have access to large enough rams to make it shared
1489153;1466737293;BingoBoingo;In other news corn is looking good, some field are showing visible soybeans. Been a while since honest rain befell this region.
1489154;1466737438;BingoBoingo;In still other news with 46.3% Reporting "Leave" has 51.4% of the vote
1489155;1466737464;phf;наши победили?
1489156;1466737538;BingoBoingo;Still more to count
1489157;1466737549;trinque;it's been up about 500k since I've been watching
1489158;1466737553;BingoBoingo;Less than half counted, but win is winning
1489159;1466737667;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489142 << funny that you ask...
1489160;1466737668;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 02:40 phf: are there any 6502 computer designs where you have multiple of them sitting on same bus or talking to same memory
1489161;1466737672;asciilifeform;because that's what i got here
1489162;1466737681;asciilifeform;but... parachute.
1489163;1466737690;phf;plx publish
1489164;1466737728;phf;actually, i'm ok waiting, i think i'm going to build one of those computers on a board in the next few months just to get an idea of what connects where
1489165;1466737786;asciilifeform;phf: http://zx80.netai.net/grant/6502/Simple6502.html << to get you started...
1489166;1466737823;asciilifeform;mouser co. has the chip.
1489167;1466737827;asciilifeform;five bux or so iirc.
1489168;1466737904;*;asciilifeform grew up with 6502 (well, 6510, commodore) rather than mircea_popescu's z80, so it is dear to him
1489169;1466737935;asciilifeform;and imho 6502 is the more elegant animal.
1489170;1466737944;asciilifeform;(moar work per tick, fewer parts)
1489171;1466738118;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489150 << shared ram is painful because the address/data lines are bottleneck
1489172;1466738118;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 02:50 mircea_popescu: honestly if i wanted to make a "human brain model" it'd be something like this, 10k chips sitting around 10 GB worth of ram and talking into it dirtily.
1489173;1466738132;asciilifeform;ideally you want something more like danny hillis's (connection mach) topology
1489174;1466738135;asciilifeform;e.g., hypercube
1489175;1466738177;asciilifeform;( see also, canonical, https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/14719 )
1489176;1466738180;asciilifeform;^ his thesis
1489177;1466738187;asciilifeform;^ i have dead tree here. 1st ed.
1489178;1466738261;phf;i picked up "third printing" in portland, in that big bookstore of theirs
1489179;1466738276;asciilifeform;ben_vulpeslandia!
1489180;1466738282;asciilifeform;didja see him ?
1489181;1466738291;phf;no, he was pretty upset at me for it
1489182;1466738305;asciilifeform;lolk
1489183;1466738366;phf;i was in portland proper an evening, after a hippie retreat, got it in my head that a meeting with a tmsr member needs proper exposition, etc.
1489184;1466738516;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu l0ltr0n1cs: http://deadgirlface.tumblr.com/post/146308969208/quoms-superluminalflower-the-orlando-police
1489185;1466738516;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1489186;1466738517;phf;in any case it wasn't portland, i picked it up at a random bookstore in french quarter new orleans. between a tourist bar and a place that sold "vintage stuff" they had a bookstore with an amazing collection of random books
1489187;1466738590;asciilifeform;'The question of possible deaths by police fire arose soon after the shootings. One survivor, Norman Casiano, 26, told ABC News that he was shot by police when he crawled out from his hiding place in the bathroom after he thought it was safe.'
1489188;1466738592;asciilifeform;etc.
1489189;1466738614;asciilifeform;muppet-assisted 'swatting'.
1489190;1466738618;phf;they had a bunch of appel books there, mead's introduction to vlsi, a bunch of old common lisp books, 80s expert system books, etc.
1489191;1466738645;asciilifeform;lel pretty much like the b00kcase i'm sitting next to l0l.l
1489192;1466738694;phf;but it was a very odd setting, i was hungover like crazy, stumbling around with other throngs of tourists
1489193;1466738809;trinque;leave up by 700k; this is great.
1489194;1466738826;asciilifeform;trinque: ceremonial.
1489195;1466738842;trinque;you leave me to my dreams of hypernationalist war
1489196;1466738847;asciilifeform;lel
1489197;1466738902;Bugpowder;its happening
1489198;1466738945;*;BingoBoingo can't wait for when Britain has no one mobile enough to hand over its rag on a stick!
1489199;1466739056;BingoBoingo;Fucking Brits will be stuck with no alternative but to wafflestomp!
1489200;1466739057;Bugpowder;NIKKEI 225 FUTURES -1000 POINTS
1489201;1466739095;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
1489202;1466739118;gribble;Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 435.199959, vol: 21280.19302267 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 425.599515, vol: 15542.74625 | CampBX BTCGBP last: 420.1875, vol: 1.80726197 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 471.7382, vol: 96965.55260000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 400.004, vol: 105.80623942 | Volume-weighted last average: 460.517964865
1489203;1466739124;phf;party is over?
1489204;1466739165;thestringpuller;$gettrust pleasurep`
1489205;1466739165;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1489206;1466739172;thestringpuller;$getrating pleasurep`
1489207;1466739183;thestringpuller;$key pleasurep`
1489208;1466739208;BingoBoingo;phf: Party is on pause. Can't let BTC look too much better than ether huffing, so Buttfunex has to have some butt fun
1489209;1466739218;thestringpuller;$help
1489210;1466739218;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html
1489211;1466739268;trinque;thestringpuller: that is an unperson per db
1489212;1466739287;trinque;there's a pleasurep"
1489213;1466739298;trinque;$gettrust deedbot pleasurep"
1489214;1466739298;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
1489215;1466739310;trinque;$key pleasurep"
1489216;1466739312;thestringpuller;well for instance nubbins was nubbins` but is now nubbins"
1489217;1466739312;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/6a4312d5-167c-45ec-9f0b-a21eb3c2946c/
1489218;1466739315;thestringpuller;just seeing how this works
1489219;1466739328;thestringpuller;somehow special characters got sanatized
1489220;1466739335;trinque;wat
1489221;1466739342;asciilifeform;^^
1489222;1466739349;phf;kek
1489223;1466739440;Bugpowder;ITV CALLS IT: LEAVE HAS WON THE EU REFERENDUM
1489224;1466739461;Bugpowder;The gov isn’t really going to do it tho right?  Non-binding…
1489225;1466739503;asciilifeform;bush v. gore. snore.
1489226;1466739518;trinque;thestringpuller: yeah this is fucked up; I have the original data for it all, so I'll fix tomorrow
1489227;1466739535;trinque;happened somewhere from mysql -> psql
1489228;1466739539;thestringpuller;cool. lemme know how to sanatize query-wise
1489229;1466739543;trinque;thanks for catching that
1489230;1466739545;thestringpuller;np
1489231;1466739550;trinque;I'll just shit out another dump after fixing it
1489232;1466739642;asciilifeform;the minarets of londonabad will still call the faithful to prayer tomorrow. and next week, aha.
1489233;1466740449;Bugpowder;Gold 1350
1489234;1466740471;Bugpowder;Nikkei -1327 circuit breaker
1489235;1466740943;BingoBoingo;http://news.ngs.ru/more/2485503/
1489236;1466740975;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489152 << it is huh.
1489237;1466740975;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 03:00 phf: this is roughly how the argument went in the connection machine book, but of course they didn't have access to large enough rams to make it shared
1489238;1466741084;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489161 << lol!
1489239;1466741085;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 03:07 asciilifeform: because that's what i got here
1489240;1466741141;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489171 << you could do some interesting things with arrangements though.
1489241;1466741141;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 03:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489150 << shared ram is painful because the address/data lines are bottleneck
1489242;1466741162;mircea_popescu;flywheel / time switched connections being an obvious one.
1489243;1466741225;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489184 << the gall of the asswipes is galling. really, "what we do should be on ~arbitrarily picked victim~" ? how about fucking mateen is ON the police ?
1489244;1466741226;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 03:21 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu l0ltr0n1cs: http://deadgirlface.tumblr.com/post/146308969208/quoms-superluminalflower-the-orlando-police
1489245;1466741240;mircea_popescu;not like he'd have existed if there wasn't a usg.pd around. or a usg in the first place.
1489246;1466741354;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489224 << after "the govt" had to beg the scots to stay on hands and knees, it's unclear it actually has any mandate to do anything anyway.
1489247;1466741354;a111;Logged on 2016-06-24 03:37 Bugpowder: The gov isn’t really going to do it tho right?  Non-binding…
1489248;1466741369;mircea_popescu;prolly govt collapse, elections, a few years w/o govt belgium style, stuff like that.
1489249;1466741572;mircea_popescu;anyway, 14.16 mn leave 13.27 mn stay.
1489250;1466741621;mircea_popescu;it's just about all over, there's maybe a coupla million left to vote.
1489251;1466741630;mircea_popescu;cameron's career is definitely over.
1489252;1466742029;BingoBoingo;Leave's advantage over remain is approaching 1 million votes with 14.7% of ballots yet to be reported
1489253;1466743406;BingoBoingo;1.1 million advantage for leave
1489254;1466743785;mircea_popescu;yeah, there's not enough votes left to fix it.
1489255;1466743795;mircea_popescu;you know alf they did use diebolds...
1489256;1466743815;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you qntraing this or we dont' gas enough ?
1489257;1466743852;mircea_popescu;i guess could be update on other one.
1489258;1466743877;BingoBoingo;Qntra'ing in a few hours after sleeping. There's still enough votes left for Diebold to happen.
1489259;1466743917;BingoBoingo;Anyways gotta see how this could be handled after yesterday "Remain" was so certain
1489260;1466743932;mircea_popescu;yeah srsly.
1489261;1466743959;mircea_popescu;by now "the powers that wanna-be" are getting raped at random street corners by random passers by.
1489262;1466744002;mircea_popescu;whole "gavin got consensus" "trump don't got a chance" bla bla all over again.
1489263;1466744193;BingoBoingo;I can't wait for the immigrants they have now to get fat and them to stick with the no new immigrants schtick
1489264;1466744214;BingoBoingo;It'll be the non-Argentina US failure mode
1489265;1466744290;mircea_popescu;mebbe.
1489266;1466744334;BingoBoingo;Too fat to work.
1489267;1466744356;BingoBoingo;Trash build up, everyone has boils. No one can clean the waffle stomped showers.
1489268;1466744702;BingoBoingo;brb, sleep
1489269;1466749021;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489270;1466749021;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489271;1466749021;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489272;1466749021;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489273;1466749021;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489274;1466749021;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489275;1466749022;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489276;1466749022;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489277;1466749023;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489278;1466749561;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489279;1466749561;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489280;1466749561;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489281;1466749561;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489282;1466749561;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489283;1466749562;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489284;1466749562;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489285;1466749563;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489286;1466749563;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489287;1466749771;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489288;1466749771;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489289;1466749771;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489290;1466749771;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489291;1466749772;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489292;1466749772;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489293;1466749773;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489294;1466749773;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489295;1466749774;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489296;1466750852;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489297;1466750852;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489298;1466750852;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489299;1466750852;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489300;1466750852;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489301;1466750852;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489302;1466750853;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489303;1466750853;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489304;1466750854;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489305;1466751782;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489306;1466751782;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489307;1466751782;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489308;1466751782;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489309;1466751782;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489310;1466751782;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489311;1466751783;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489312;1466751783;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489313;1466751784;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489314;1466752292;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489315;1466752292;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489316;1466752292;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489317;1466752292;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489318;1466752292;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489319;1466752292;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489320;1466752293;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489321;1466752293;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489322;1466752294;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489323;1466752502;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489324;1466752502;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489325;1466752502;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489326;1466752502;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489327;1466752502;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489328;1466752502;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489329;1466752503;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489330;1466752503;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489331;1466752504;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489332;1466752712;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489333;1466752712;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489334;1466752712;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489335;1466752712;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489336;1466752712;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489337;1466752712;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489338;1466752713;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489339;1466752713;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489340;1466752714;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489341;1466753102;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489342;1466753102;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489343;1466753102;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489344;1466753102;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489345;1466753102;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489346;1466753102;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489347;1466753103;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489348;1466753103;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489349;1466753104;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489350;1466753852;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489351;1466753852;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489352;1466753852;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489353;1466753852;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489354;1466753853;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489355;1466753853;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489356;1466753854;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489357;1466753854;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489358;1466753855;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489359;1466754423;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489360;1466754423;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489361;1466754423;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489362;1466754423;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489363;1466754423;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489364;1466754423;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489365;1466754424;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489366;1466754424;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489367;1466754425;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489368;1466755383;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489369;1466755383;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489370;1466755383;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489371;1466755383;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489372;1466755383;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489373;1466755383;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489374;1466755384;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489375;1466755384;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489376;1466755385;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489377;1466755623;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489378;1466755623;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489379;1466755623;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489380;1466755623;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489381;1466755623;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489382;1466755623;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489383;1466755624;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489384;1466755624;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489385;1466755625;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489386;1466756493;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489387;1466756493;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489388;1466756493;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489389;1466756493;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489390;1466756493;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489391;1466756493;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489392;1466756494;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489393;1466756494;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489394;1466756495;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489395;1466757003;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489396;1466757003;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489397;1466757003;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489398;1466757003;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489399;1466757003;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489400;1466757003;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489401;1466757004;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489402;1466757004;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489403;1466757005;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489404;1466757603;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489405;1466757603;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489406;1466757603;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489407;1466757603;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489408;1466757604;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489409;1466757604;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489410;1466757605;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489411;1466757605;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489412;1466757606;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489413;1466757903;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489414;1466757903;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489415;1466757903;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489416;1466757903;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489417;1466757904;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489418;1466757904;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489419;1466757905;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489420;1466757905;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489421;1466757906;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489422;1466758174;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489423;1466758174;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489424;1466758174;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489425;1466758174;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489426;1466758174;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489427;1466758174;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489428;1466758175;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489429;1466758175;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489430;1466758176;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489431;1466758504;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489432;1466758504;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489433;1466758504;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489434;1466758504;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489435;1466758504;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489436;1466758504;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489437;1466758505;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489438;1466758505;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489439;1466758506;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489440;1466758864;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489441;1466758864;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489442;1466758864;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489443;1466758864;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489444;1466758864;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489445;1466758864;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489446;1466758865;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489447;1466758865;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489448;1466758866;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489449;1466759164;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489450;1466759164;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489451;1466759164;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489452;1466759164;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489453;1466759164;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489454;1466759164;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489455;1466759165;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489456;1466759165;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489457;1466759166;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489458;1466759764;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489459;1466759764;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489460;1466759764;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489461;1466759764;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489462;1466759764;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489463;1466759764;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489464;1466759765;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489465;1466759765;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489466;1466759766;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489467;1466760064;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489468;1466760064;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489469;1466760064;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489470;1466760064;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489471;1466760064;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489472;1466760064;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489473;1466760065;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489474;1466760065;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489475;1466760066;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489476;1466760394;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489477;1466760394;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489478;1466760394;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489479;1466760394;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489480;1466760394;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489481;1466760394;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489482;1466760395;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489483;1466760395;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489484;1466760396;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489485;1466760604;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489486;1466760604;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489487;1466760604;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489488;1466760604;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489489;1466760604;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489490;1466760604;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489491;1466760605;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489492;1466760605;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489493;1466760606;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489494;1466760934;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489495;1466760934;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489496;1466760934;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489497;1466760934;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489498;1466760934;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489499;1466760935;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489500;1466760935;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489501;1466760936;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489502;1466760936;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489503;1466761414;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489504;1466761414;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489505;1466761414;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489506;1466761414;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489507;1466761415;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489508;1466761415;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489509;1466761416;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489510;1466761416;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489511;1466761417;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489512;1466761654;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489513;1466761654;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489514;1466761654;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489515;1466761654;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489516;1466761655;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489517;1466761655;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489518;1466761656;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489519;1466761656;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489520;1466761657;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489521;1466761864;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489522;1466761864;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489523;1466761864;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489524;1466761865;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489525;1466761865;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489526;1466761865;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489527;1466761866;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489528;1466761866;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489529;1466761867;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489530;1466762525;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489531;1466762525;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489532;1466762525;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489533;1466762525;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489534;1466762525;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489535;1466762525;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489536;1466762526;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489537;1466762526;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489538;1466762527;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489539;1466762945;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489540;1466762945;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489541;1466762945;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489542;1466762945;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489543;1466762945;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489544;1466762945;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489545;1466762946;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489546;1466762946;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489547;1466762947;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489548;1466763395;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489549;1466763395;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489550;1466763395;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489551;1466763395;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489552;1466763395;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489553;1466763395;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489554;1466763396;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489555;1466763396;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489556;1466763397;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489557;1466764235;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489558;1466764235;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489559;1466764235;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489560;1466764235;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489561;1466764235;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489562;1466764235;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489563;1466764236;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489564;1466764236;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489565;1466764237;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489566;1466764313;Framedragger;deedbot you drunk
1489567;1466764475;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489568;1466764475;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489569;1466764475;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489570;1466764475;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489571;1466764475;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489572;1466764475;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489573;1466764476;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489574;1466764476;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489575;1466764477;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489576;1466764685;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489577;1466764685;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489578;1466764685;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489579;1466764685;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489580;1466764685;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489581;1466764685;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489582;1466764686;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489583;1466764686;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489584;1466764687;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489585;1466765195;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489586;1466765195;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489587;1466765196;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489588;1466765196;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489589;1466765196;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489590;1466765196;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489591;1466765196;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489592;1466765197;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489593;1466765197;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489594;1466765405;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489595;1466765405;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489596;1466765405;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489597;1466765405;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489598;1466765406;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489599;1466765406;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489600;1466765407;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489601;1466765407;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489602;1466765408;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489603;1466765705;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489604;1466765705;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489605;1466765705;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489606;1466765705;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489607;1466765706;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489608;1466765706;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489609;1466765707;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489610;1466765707;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489611;1466765708;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489612;1466766276;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489613;1466766276;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489614;1466766276;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489615;1466766276;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489616;1466766276;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489617;1466766276;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489618;1466766277;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489619;1466766277;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489620;1466766278;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489621;1466766606;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489622;1466766606;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489623;1466766606;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489624;1466766606;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489625;1466766606;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489626;1466766606;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489627;1466766607;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489628;1466766607;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489629;1466766608;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489630;1466767146;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489631;1466767146;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489632;1466767146;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489633;1466767146;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489634;1466767146;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489635;1466767146;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489636;1466767147;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489637;1466767147;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489638;1466767148;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489639;1466767278;shinohai;yay rss feed
1489640;1466767416;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489641;1466767416;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489642;1466767416;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489643;1466767416;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489644;1466767416;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489645;1466767416;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489646;1466767417;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489647;1466767418;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489648;1466767418;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489649;1466768406;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489650;1466768406;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489651;1466768406;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489652;1466768406;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489653;1466768406;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489654;1466768406;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489655;1466768407;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489656;1466768407;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489657;1466768408;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489658;1466768751;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Wuq
1489659;1466768751;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1489660;1466768796;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489661;1466768796;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489662;1466768796;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489663;1466768796;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489664;1466768796;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489665;1466768798;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489666;1466768798;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489667;1466768798;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489668;1466768798;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489669;1466768947;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489670;1466768947;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489671;1466768947;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489672;1466768947;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489673;1466768947;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489674;1466768947;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489675;1466768947;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489676;1466768948;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489677;1466768948;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489678;1466769366;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489679;1466769366;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489680;1466769366;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489681;1466769366;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489682;1466769367;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489683;1466769367;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489684;1466769368;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489685;1466769368;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489686;1466769369;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489687;1466769726;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489688;1466769726;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489689;1466769726;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489690;1466769726;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489691;1466769727;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489692;1466769727;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489693;1466769728;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489694;1466769728;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489695;1466769729;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489696;1466770086;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489697;1466770087;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489698;1466770087;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489699;1466770087;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489700;1466770087;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489701;1466770087;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489702;1466770088;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489703;1466770088;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489704;1466770089;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489705;1466770297;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489706;1466770297;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489707;1466770297;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489708;1466770297;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489709;1466770297;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489710;1466770297;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489711;1466770298;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489712;1466770298;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489713;1466770299;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489714;1466770420;mircea_popescu;dafuck
1489715;1466770444;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo im writing up teh orlando shooting if it please teh qntra
1489716;1466770467;mircea_popescu;trinque what the everloving ?
1489717;1466770658;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489718;1466770658;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489719;1466770658;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489720;1466770658;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489721;1466770658;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489722;1466770658;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489723;1466770658;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489724;1466770658;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489725;1466770659;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489726;1466771501;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/b243ac67-70d4-4dbb-8533-982a4ab7a419/
1489727;1466771517;Framedragger;unrelated http://i.imgur.com/YR0QKza.png
1489728;1466771784;mircea_popescu;ah yeah, how's that going lol
1489729;1466771827;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489730;1466771827;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489731;1466771827;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489732;1466771827;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489733;1466771827;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489734;1466771827;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489735;1466771828;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489736;1466771828;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489737;1466771829;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489738;1466771836;mircea_popescu;dawg...
1489739;1466772350;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i hope (for personal reasons) GBP rebounds to some extent in the days/weeks to come. also looking forward to independent scotland now :)
1489740;1466772361;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't bet on that.
1489741;1466772367;Framedragger;sure..
1489742;1466772385;mircea_popescu;(in other news, everyone i knew in england left since yest.)
1489743;1466772410;Framedragger;it's pretty lol.
1489744;1466772428;mircea_popescu;i don't see how the uk is going to have a government other than bnp or w/e they're called this year.
1489745;1466772450;mircea_popescu;(also i don't see how anyone seriously imagines hilary stands a chance, but that's another matter)
1489746;1466772482;Framedragger;2016 is the year of dreamz come true
1489747;1466772500;mircea_popescu;england prevails!
1489748;1466772524;*;shinohai plays "God save the Queen"
1489749;1466772550;Framedragger;yeah it's gonna be fucked. also some more shite PM instead of cameron
1489750;1466772568;mircea_popescu;who, that woman ? what was her name
1489751;1466772589;mircea_popescu;the one going around in homecroched jerseys and playing everyone's grandmother
1489752;1466772602;Framedragger;theresa may , yeah
1489753;1466772605;mircea_popescu;aha.
1489754;1466772626;mircea_popescu;one'd have to be an idiot to take that mandate, but i guess there's never shortage of idiots.
1489755;1466772652;mircea_popescu;anyway, she's no merkel if that's the hope.
1489756;1466772740;Framedragger;heh irc client crashed, maybe with the mention of theresa's name
1489757;1466772761;Framedragger;yeah no more internets with her, not that uk currently has an uncensored open internet
1489758;1466772821;Framedragger;and yeah, all the bilateral agreements to be done.. by whom.. fuck knows. (my plan was to switch countries in a ~year anyway, looks like i'll stick to it)
1489759;1466772860;Framedragger;anything's possible with this shit populace
1489760;1466772972;mircea_popescu;o right right, "ukraine forum on asset recovery", the usg-sponsored "let's steal shit" argentina-style thing
1489761;1466773057;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1287424238120947 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C866293ADCFA761D385D4B8A407BA2CA0109F086D2463F4B558E1C6354536DE5
1489762;1466773058;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 154544665855970963 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'almoutamahid <abdelilahalmoutamahid@gmail.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/90BC6D88C26403285CF4A89F6E0501D31AD908A598A81BB09E41E0C981C24091
1489763;1466773058;deedbot;[Qntra] 1/3 Of Brits Can't See Own Penis When Standing - http://qntra.net/2016/06/13-of-brits-cant-see-own-penis-when-standing/
1489764;1466773058;deedbot;[Qntra] Forking Question Of The Day - http://qntra.net/2016/06/forking-question-of-the-day/
1489765;1466773058;deedbot;[Qntra] Brexit Voting Begins - http://qntra.net/2016/06/brexit-voting-begins/
1489766;1466773058;deedbot;[Trilema] And other things... - http://trilema.com/2016/and-other-things/
1489767;1466773059;deedbot;[Trilema] The life and times of one Phil Daian, aspiring nigger & apprentice cocksucker - http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/
1489768;1466773059;deedbot;[Trilema] How #bitcoin-assets was born. - http://trilema.com/2016/how-bitcoin-assets-was-born/
1489769;1466773060;deedbot;[Trilema] Eminescu. Totally a genius. - http://trilema.com/2016/eminescu-totally-a-genius/
1489770;1466773061;mircea_popescu;oh ffs.
1489771;1466773186;Framedragger;:D
1489772;1466773263;mircea_popescu;funny what crap the uk keeps pushing forth, too. you'd have thought it'd take them more than a decade to come up with a worse sack of shit than blair. not so, they found him by 2010.
1489773;1466773295;mircea_popescu;they really should be the 51st state ; same thing in the us - people thought it'd take a lot longer to find someone even dumber and less capable than bush. and yet...
1489774;1466773409;Framedragger;yeah.
1489775;1466773412;mircea_popescu;anyway. without taxing london the eu is not sustainable. this is a foregone conclusion. i'm curious what the germans do, but the eu has little chance of seeing 2020.
1489776;1466773519;Framedragger;it really is all about the germans now and what they do, i suppose, yeah. i wouldn't think that taxing london is *that* important though, and in any regard uk trading with eu is more important to uk than to eu, it would appear. but sure, shit's gonna go down, will be interesting to follow.
1489777;1466773540;mircea_popescu;in the reverse, while some ru capitals may flow in (much less likely today, after the inept uk support for the cyprus theft than it would have been prior), the outflow of continental moneys might well drive a 50% failure rate in the city.
1489778;1466773557;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what exactly is uk trading with the eu ?
1489779;1466773597;mircea_popescu;oh, you meant... yeah. well, the thing is, trade isn't today and hasn't for a century+ been national. corporations trade, on mostly south asian shipping, with each other.
1489780;1466773637;Framedragger;hm. i see what you mean
1489781;1466773666;mircea_popescu;some will repatriate, some others will move in, but on the net it seems likely to come out negative by a coupla trillion or so.
1489782;1466773672;Framedragger;yeah i don't know how to classify "general b2b stuff"
1489783;1466773685;mircea_popescu;maybe the chinese are interested, who knows.
1489784;1466773742;mircea_popescu;anyway. the czechs are leaving also, possibly the dutch too. the french will aggitate moar ; spain still wants gibraltar, and catalonia independence is suddenly an important chip in thsi discussion, etc etc.
1489785;1466773768;Framedragger;i wonder. in times of uncertainty, investors move money elsewhere. say eu continues to crumble down, with states threatening to leave / leaving, euro going down. could gbp be eventually seen as a "foreign stable thing" in europe? my bets are that it won't; but it'd be a curious outcome
1489786;1466773778;Framedragger;yeeah.
1489787;1466773780;mircea_popescu;nope.
1489788;1466773804;mircea_popescu;the gpb/any hope or chance of true british independence was sunk by soros.
1489789;1466773818;mircea_popescu;the uk has as much a chance today to be the uk of 1816 as the state of indiana does.
1489790;1466773859;Framedragger;ok, prolly yeah
1489791;1466773863;mircea_popescu;it's all a question of "who picks up the upset streetwalker who still, inexplicably, thinks herself a married middle class woman". will it be the paki gang ? the x ? the y ?
1489792;1466773880;mircea_popescu;there's no question she's going to be working. the only question is what basement will she be working in.
1489793;1466773905;Framedragger;well this woman deserves nothing but the basement treatment, so!
1489794;1466773915;mircea_popescu;eh, deserves. who knows these things.
1489795;1466773930;mircea_popescu;but hey, since it's what she'll get, we can say it's what she deserves at no extra cost.
1489796;1466773975;mircea_popescu;but the best part - the french will finally get to try their "louis XIVth lives!" notions of command economy in the eu. it should be fucking fabulous.
1489797;1466773988;Framedragger;:D
1489798;1466773997;Framedragger;oh yeah, i'm sure there's that sentiment, prevailing
1489799;1466774012;mircea_popescu;ukip having a field day yet ?
1489800;1466774057;Framedragger;it seems like it - look such sophistication and command of language: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2016/jun/24/nigel-farage-eu-referendum-this-victory-for-real-people-video
1489801;1466774072;mircea_popescu;lol
1489802;1466774089;Framedragger;am at work, there's someone openly swearing about boris johnson downstairs (it's usually rather quiet)
1489803;1466774097;mircea_popescu;curious if victory actually blows them up.
1489804;1466774103;mircea_popescu;obama certainly destroyed us dem party.
1489805;1466774123;Framedragger;..and i wonder about trump and teh republicans
1489806;1466774140;mircea_popescu;"well, you got a nigger elected, now get lost" sorta thing. "well, we're going out of the eu, so who were you again ?"
1489807;1466774155;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i think trump actually intends to end the gop if he wins.
1489808;1466774284;Framedragger;i can certainly see it! as in, intentional project and everything.
1489809;1466774334;mircea_popescu;he'd be a fool not to, at any rate.
1489810;1466774378;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, the most incomprehensible part of it to me is, how the fuck would he not be putting pressure on the voting mechanism. if he had any sense his ~only issue wouldf be "paper trail voting or no voting at all". that he isn't doing this is perhaps the stronger support for alf's read of the facts.
1489811;1466774392;mircea_popescu;then again, maybe it's slated for a little later. fuckall knows.
1489812;1466774523;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: need to read logs, then. so what's the idea behind him needing paper trail, and what does that mean?
1489813;1466774553;mircea_popescu;well, trail-less vote is much like "poloniex" or whatever : will print as a "result" whatever number the owner gives it.
1489814;1466774574;mircea_popescu;100% victory for Nicolae Ceausescu, why not. oh, he's dead ? a well.
1489815;1466774812;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: paper is overrated - it isn't as if you can't stuff box, or as if plebes could personally recount'em
1489816;1466774877;mircea_popescu;besides the point. specificity of diddling obliges him to modify election mechanism.
1489817;1466774894;mircea_popescu;it's a matter of strategy, not of engineering. these are separate concerns.
1489818;1466775139;mircea_popescu;not to mention how expedient it is for him. it is LOGICAL that it'd be a single issue ; it's a forced mistake hilary & all will oppose. he can now speak of only one thing, which is what he needs, and avoid hilary on all topics, which he also needs.
1489819;1466775153;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only way to play his hand correctly, i see no alternative.
1489820;1466775838;asciilifeform;0 chance of paper ballot in usa.
1489821;1466775864;mircea_popescu;that's also besides the point.
1489822;1466775881;asciilifeform;ain't happening any more than goldstandard.
1489823;1466775888;mircea_popescu;the game is played like the game is played, if he's going to believe what you say he has no business being in politics.
1489824;1466776629;mircea_popescu;in other non-newsy lulz, the tardstalk's offended! https://archive.is/VWYy6#selection-2205.0-2124.7
1489825;1466776789;mircea_popescu;https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/675 << obscure scamcoin exchange tries.
1489826;1466777993;mod6;mornin' o/
1489827;1466778062;trinque;god what the fuck.
1489828;1466778085;mircea_popescu;lol.
1489829;1466778090;mircea_popescu;good morning mod6 trinque
1489830;1466778109;mircea_popescu;mind that if it disconnects and reconnects it'll get ops by default and start over.
1489831;1466778228;mircea_popescu;but in boxier news,  http://67.media.tumblr.com/1c604cbf3362a81b3feaad58c01d913f/tumblr_mhv1hdsP1d1s3v6d1o1_1280.jpg
1489832;1466778315;mod6;what's interesting about deedbot is that it spit that stuff out mostly @ ~5/min interval.  but sometimes it did it ~10/min.  at least by my timestamps.
1489833;1466778429;mircea_popescu;https://archive.is/UScxs << oh look, now that they got scared into actually doing some code auditing by the half billion in losses the usg accrued in one short week, they're finding things!
1489834;1466778435;mircea_popescu;"Do not use wallet contracts or owner accounts of those wallets that were created by the Ethereum Wallet 0.4.0 or earlier. If you send to (or interact with) a malicious contract it could take ownership of your wallet contract. Create a new wallet and move your funds."
1489835;1466778449;mircea_popescu;mod6 it spit out the whole list every time phuctor had a new item i thought
1489836;1466778568;mod6;Yeah, something like that.  I see it spit out a Phuctoring from 'Tony Lindgren', the top three qntras then the top four trilema's. But yeah, may have been triggered by new phuctorings - but the RSS feed didn't seem to update.
1489837;1466778578;mircea_popescu;hm
1489838;1466778579;mod6;Anyway, whateves.
1489839;1466778623;BingoBoingo;ty mircea_popescu http://qntra.net/2016/06/the-bloods-are-red-the-creeps-are-blue/
1489840;1466778624;mircea_popescu;yeah you're right, there weren't updates.
1489841;1466778627;mircea_popescu;win.
1489842;1466778642;mircea_popescu;it's so cool to go read your article recently published in qntra :D
1489843;1466778662;shinohai;innit
1489844;1466778666;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo <em> tag not correctly closed after 1st soi dissant ?
1489845;1466778686;BingoBoingo;Ah, you forgot a /
1489846;1466778690;thestringpuller;mod6: hey. can we bury segwit transactions?
1489847;1466778690;BingoBoingo;fxd
1489848;1466778752;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> cameron's career is definitely over. << spot on.
1489849;1466778766;mod6;thestringpuller: "bury" ?
1489850;1466778791;mircea_popescu;he actually said he's stepping down meanwhile yea
1489851;1466778813;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai Too much puffing and making the scammers see viable, rewrite
1489852;1466778814;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1489853;1466778836;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo second one too
1489854;1466778847;BingoBoingo;shinohai: News, but gotta be serious when using words like resurection
1489855;1466778877;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Which second one?
1489856;1466778882;mircea_popescu;soi dissant
1489857;1466778956;BingoBoingo;fxd
1489858;1466778968;mircea_popescu;ima have to be moar careful with closing these.
1489859;1466779145;shinohai;kk BingoBoingo && too much puffing?
1489860;1466779160;BingoBoingo;You know making the scam thing sound like it has a chance
1489861;1466779171;BingoBoingo;Anyways right on schedule as mp predicted
1489862;1466779195;shinohai;mkay.
1489863;1466779230;thestringpuller;mod6: although I don't trust Gmaxwell he has a point here >> https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4o5g3z/how_much_better_is_node_that_no_longer_fully/d49y5j7
1489864;1466779265;thestringpuller;"For things like CSV and Segwit-- The node doesn't understand the new rules, but it knows it doesn't understand them (due to tx version number for CSV, and the NOP code usage for SW; both explicit soft-fork upgrade mechanisms in the protocol*)... this is already the case today and has been since 2010, you didn't need to upgrade to teach your node what it doesn't know.
1489865;1466779280;thestringpuller;"
1489866;1466779284;thestringpuller;If your wallet wanted to it could go further trace these coins and delay treating them and their descendants as confirmed until the last non-understood part was buried beyond some sufficient threshold, it's simple to implement in a full node wallet (we do tracking like that for 'negative confirmations' for conflicted transactions in core now), but so far no one has seen a reason to beyond the basic, "ignore until confirmed" behavior. 
1489867;1466779351;shinohai;BingoBoingo: i was going to refer to it as a mere blip since only 1K blocks
1489868;1466779360;thestringpuller;mod6: I was just saying if there would be a way to bury "bastard transactions" (this include multisig), under some threshold of transactions before confirmation.
1489869;1466779369;thestringpuller;s/saying/asking
1489870;1466779387;mircea_popescu;prolly more efficient to simply blacklist / ban any customers that use the crud.
1489871;1466779397;thestringpuller;wouldn't that burn the coins for life?
1489872;1466779410;mircea_popescu;many layers to a soft fork. i personally will take any attempt to use any of this crap as an attempt to scam and negrate consequently.
1489873;1466779429;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller so ? not every idiot must have access.
1489874;1466779437;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Still gotta poke more holes in the VERified scammers. Needle em with words.
1489875;1466779454;BingoBoingo;$up fakename123
1489876;1466779470;thestringpuller;mircea_popescu: would this be similar policy to any coin that's gone into a "3" bastard address?
1489877;1466779483;thestringpuller;would this policy be applied to*
1489878;1466779512;mircea_popescu;just don't pay FROM a 3 address.
1489879;1466779570;thestringpuller;ah. but with segwit coins TRB should treat coins as if they are burned?
1489880;1466779593;mircea_popescu;i don't see trb should do anything. i also don't see why any sane person would continue dealing with any entity using it.
1489881;1466779596;thestringpuller;that is someone pays to segwit address, even if coins leave segwit address and are use normally, they are now "lost forever" cause they've "tainted"
1489882;1466779611;thestringpuller;no matter how many standard transactions go on top
1489883;1466779625;mircea_popescu;huh ?
1489884;1466779752;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/06/leave-wins-uk-ballot/
1489885;1466779785;trinque;Python sqlite3 issues a BEGIN statement automatically before "INSERT" or "UPDATE". After that it automatically commits on any other command or db.close()
1489886;1466779788;trinque;oh god damn it
1489887;1466779858;mircea_popescu;lol
1489888;1466779882;mircea_popescu;did your shitstack improve ?
1489889;1466779888;trinque;marginally
1489890;1466779922;mircea_popescu;you know the joke with the husband at the psychiatrist ?
1489891;1466779939;trinque;lets hear it
1489892;1466779970;mircea_popescu;guy goes to psychiatrist, "doc, i need you to convince my wife to get mouth reduction surgery"
1489893;1466779974;mircea_popescu;"and why do you think that ?"
1489894;1466779980;thestringpuller;okay. so lets say Segwitz address starts with 'P00'. you send 1 BTC from a standard address as inputs into the segitz address. the segwitz address now spends back to a standard address. but the way it spends is with non-standard opcodes, so called "bastard unspent outputs".  so it spends to a real btc address "1something". When TRB validates it's the chain of tx's it'll encounter the segwit part as NO_OP. Should we just bury these coi
1489895;1466779995;mircea_popescu;"she won't ever shut up. not ever. she talks constantly. so i dropped my pants and stuffed my cock in her mouth.
1489896;1466780003;mircea_popescu;and she continued to talk through the margins."
1489897;1466780025;trinque;lol
1489898;1466780039;thestringpuller;cause there is no way TRB will ever enforce segwit, so there is no way it can ever truly verify a segwit output was spent "legitimately"
1489899;1466780046;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller the derp in question can just spend again normally and his coins will be visible.
1489900;1466780076;mircea_popescu;trb has no notion of "coin history". nor should it. because taint is not a thing.
1489901;1466780106;thestringpuller;gotcha. just never have anyone spend to your from a fake address.
1489902;1466780107;mircea_popescu;moreover, there ISNT, in general, and for very good reasons, a way to verify segwit crapolade.
1489903;1466780129;mircea_popescu;which is what it aims to be, a sort of "let's dao bitcoin"
1489904;1466780141;thestringpuller;TMSR rule of thumb: "Never accept non standard transactions" ?
1489905;1466780147;mircea_popescu;pretty much.
1489906;1466780172;thestringpuller;gotcha. thanks for clarity. mod6 ^^^ nvm question has been answered.
1489907;1466780192;mircea_popescu;but this said, yes it is deeply irresponsible for anyone to use prb clients. this doesn't just mean 13, or 12, or 10. ANY of them.
1489908;1466780200;mircea_popescu;they keep adding shit, but it's been shitsoup for years now.
1489909;1466780247;mod6;thestringpuller: np.
1489910;1466780278;mod6;if we needed to add code everytime these gnomes comeup with a new crapolade, that's all we'd ever be doing.
1489911;1466780303;thestringpuller;i just don't want them to add something in a "fork" that allows TMSR to get scammed.
1489912;1466780314;thestringpuller;but I think at that point BTC is dead
1489913;1466780317;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, ro chicks trying hard : http://fabulousmuses.net/2016/06/marina-yachting-summer-trends.html
1489914;1466780337;mircea_popescu;mod6 the main concern is that their bullshit will "accidentally" start fabricating coins.
1489915;1466780385;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, we're not making the mistake of introducing coin taint, under any name.
1489916;1466780448;BingoBoingo;thestringpuller: From what I understand Segwit to a normal 1xxx adress requires a signature in the blockchain so when segwit stops being miner enforced the recieved transaction would still be, even though it came from freemoneyshitsoup.
1489917;1466780465;thestringpuller;BingoBoingo: AHA!
1489918;1466780483;mircea_popescu;yeah, except the next stop is for shitsoup to put out more coins than it got in.
1489919;1466780496;thestringpuller;elaborate?
1489920;1466780518;mircea_popescu;you been watching the dao thing ?
1489921;1466780523;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> nevertheless, we're not making the mistake of introducing coin taint, under any name. << totally agree.
1489922;1466780537;mircea_popescu;segwit is EXACTLY "dao for bitcoin".
1489923;1466780829;thestringpuller;well yea. and Lightning Network is VISA for bitcoin.
1489924;1466781146;trinque;ok, feeds are back
1489925;1466781168;trinque;helpful helpers in python were starting transactions for me even though the default for sqlite is autocommit
1489926;1466781170;thestringpuller;trinque: any reason ratings are done by nick and not a foreign key?
1489927;1466781220;thestringpuller;i guess the nicks act as a foreign key cause under unique constraint and one per person...
1489928;1466781224;thestringpuller;nvm.
1489929;1466781240;trinque;just easier to look at, and it's not a big table
1489930;1466781255;trinque;but I will at some point either change that or abandon sql entirely for a CLOS db
1489931;1466781277;mircea_popescu;nicks have autofill ; keys do not.
1489932;1466782563;deedbot;[Trilema] Tales of Manhattan - http://trilema.com/2016/tales-of-manhattan/
1489933;1466785783;jurov;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488855 it was not 'coincidental', their cleanup gave me the idea
1489934;1466785783;a111;Logged on 2016-06-23 23:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-23#1488771 << thinking about it... was this coincidental ?!
1489935;1466785804;mircea_popescu;ah
1489936;1466788284;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski pingback mystery solved : your blog is at 23.229.239.2, but you keep sending pingbacks from 50.62.176.244. Trilema responds with a "please send pingbacks from the blog's own IP" as discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ which you're supposed to see and know why it is your pingbacks don't make it.
1489937;1466788284;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1489938;1466790965;deedbot;[Trilema] The Internet of Shit - http://trilema.com/2016/the-internet-of-shit/
1489939;1466793892;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489904 << :
1489940;1466793898;asciilifeform;$s malleus
1489941;1466793912;asciilifeform;...
1489942;1466793930;asciilifeform;...
1489943;1466793957;asciilifeform;oh for fuxxsake
1489944;1466793978;asciilifeform;log dead too
1489945;1466793983;mircea_popescu;lol
1489946;1466794067;mircea_popescu;teh toothpick republic!
1489947;1466794267;mod6;this the line you were looking for? (14:55) <+thestringpuller> TMSR rule of thumb: "Never accept non standard transactions" ?
1489948;1466794311;asciilifeform;the site is up, just no deedbot and no a111
1489949;1466794341;asciilifeform;(or possibly just the latter is down)
1489950;1466794350;trinque;deedbot doesn't do $s
1489951;1466794545;mircea_popescu;it's a111 yea
1489952;1466794663;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489918 << this is what the timelock crapolade is for: 'paper' bitcoin.
1489953;1466794672;asciilifeform;as was done with gold etc.
1489954;1466794700;asciilifeform;ditto the detached (to be eventually 'lost') signatures
1489955;1466794796;asciilifeform;augmentable, at whatever point, with the Will of the Beoble's magic sig which 'moves unjustly held coins' to e beoble's anointed vicars
1489956;1466794830;asciilifeform;we already know this song, it is tiresome, i will not repeat.
1489957;1466794840;mircea_popescu;myeah.
1489958;1466794888;mircea_popescu;the "all business" and entirely "scientific" world turns out to be mostly the favourite lie of the sort of people who don't wish their stupid ideology discussed.
1489959;1466794911;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489910 << not now, not ever. and ftr i did not like how we handled high-S thing, for this reason.
1489960;1466794939;mircea_popescu;gah, wait for the thing to show up, i can't follow like this
1489961;1466794949;asciilifeform;eh yeah
1489962;1466796105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the automattic link is wrong i think
1489963;1466796124;asciilifeform;it is to http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity
1489964;1466796135;mircea_popescu;oh!
1489965;1466796136;mircea_popescu;thx.
1489966;1466796144;asciilifeform;np
1489967;1466801161;mircea_popescu;all these "jounalist" derps ranting on about how "uk shocks the world" and "nobody could have predicted" bla bla on the basis that their fucking predictions had been deliberate lies to try and influence the unavoidable.
1489968;1466801185;mircea_popescu;sit the fuck down, nobody's shocked and moreover nobody cares about the "mainstream" / powers that wanna-be blabla.
1489969;1466801395;mircea_popescu;(btw, obama actually went to london to try and prevent things. he... failed. but by now obama failing at whatever he's trying is pretty much us policy, so not particularly worht the mention)
1489970;1466801759;mircea_popescu;lol. after brexit, time for grexit, departugal, italeave, czechout, finish, oustria, latervia and finally byegium
1489971;1466801776;hanbot;departugal ftw hahaha
1489972;1466801789;mircea_popescu;>D
1489973;1466801863;hanbot;so then what's left, remainia?
1489974;1466801892;mircea_popescu;aaanyway. germany is looking at something like 3bn euro more per year (20% over it's current ~15bn) to pay ; and of course moldovia, the battered ruins of ukraine, albania and all sorts of other dry leeches all want in
1489975;1466801906;mircea_popescu;hanbot probably, they're just the sorta idiots.
1489976;1466802167;mod6;  <+hanbot> departugal ftw hahaha << lol
1489977;1466802187;mod6;haha remainia
1489978;1466802352;asciilifeform;log still dead..?
1489979;1466802379;asciilifeform;this is becoming a weekly thing at least
1489980;1466802439;asciilifeform;is it phf's isp or wut
1489981;1466802823;mircea_popescu;le suck.
1489982;1466803034;Framedragger;https://blog.ethereum.org/2016/06/24/security-alert-smart-contract-wallets-created-in-frontier-are-vulnerable-to-phishing-attacks/ comes with a paragraph heading "How to be super safe??" (sic)
1489983;1466803102;mod6;(19:01) <+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489910 << not now, not ever. and ftr i did not like how we handled high-S thing, for this reason.
1489984;1466803114;mod6;ref: (14:57) <+mod6> if we needed to add code everytime these gnomes comeup with a new crapolade, that's all we'd ever be doing.
1489985;1466803156;mod6;So, we talked about this.  At length.
1489986;1466803178;asciilifeform;mod6: wotpaste scrollback perhaps ?
1489987;1466803192;mod6;how much?
1489988;1466803205;asciilifeform;since above
1489989;1466803399;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1HXXN6G.txt
1489990;1466803468;asciilifeform;ty mod6
1489991;1466803492;mod6;np
1489992;1466803562;mod6;and when i say 'we talked about this', I mean the high-S/low-S thing.  ultimately we decided to give the operator the utility to specify which to use / or none, if they want their thing to be diddled.
1489993;1466803635;asciilifeform;yeah but we did a ~pointless thing and added moving part solely because shitgnomes gnawed on our toes
1489994;1466803643;mod6;and we're still at a point where it's a leaf, so if it is decided that we ditch that as a "blessed" utility or necessary change, then we ditch and we don't have to do anything else.
1489995;1466803648;asciilifeform;imho bad precedent.
1489996;1466803681;asciilifeform;the malleation thing was harmless
1489997;1466803697;asciilifeform;and high-s is every bit as legitimate a sig as low
1489998;1466803730;mod6;mno. i disagree.  at the time, Mr. P. was having trouble sending transactions.  We want people to have the control to ensure their transaction is relayed, undiddled.
1489999;1466803751;asciilifeform;he was having trouble because corrupt miners refused high-s
1490000;1466803761;asciilifeform;the response ought to have been thermonuke
1490001;1466803769;asciilifeform;not compliance
1490002;1466803771;mod6;i agree that about the legitimancy being the same across high/low -- but the rest of the network diddles.
1490003;1466803826;asciilifeform;how about when they start rejecting sigs ending with a 3
1490004;1466803831;mod6;so. if i have a coin, i want to ensure that it gets sent.
1490005;1466803836;mod6;simple as that.
1490006;1466803846;mod6;thermonuke what?
1490007;1466803856;asciilifeform;mod6: and if the miners start rejecting addrs that touched mpex ?
1490008;1466803867;asciilifeform;also 'do what it takes to get sent' ?!
1490009;1466803898;mod6;ok. so is this a 20/20 type of reflection here?
1490010;1466803939;asciilifeform;mod6: nope. i said at the time that it was a Bad Idea, and for same reason - emboldened the ratfuckers
1490011;1466803947;mod6;im confused about why you're saying this now, as opposed to saying "we should be able to specify either!"
1490012;1466803956;mod6;because initially, i wanted to simply just do low-S
1490013;1466803975;mod6;this is not how that conversation went.
1490014;1466803976;mod6;lol
1490015;1466803996;asciilifeform;i disagree that the enemy ought to have any say in how trb works.
1490016;1466804004;asciilifeform;now as then.
1490017;1466804018;asciilifeform;recall the Declaration?
1490018;1466804155;asciilifeform;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000115.html << it
1490019;1466804370;mircea_popescu;heh still no log eh ?
1490020;1466804375;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ironically, that was in the log :D
1490021;1466804378;asciilifeform;nein
1490022;1466804462;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> mod6: nope. i said at the time that it was a Bad Idea, and for same reason - emboldened the ratfuckers << eh, not really how this works.
1490023;1466804476;asciilifeform;hm?
1490024;1466804512;mircea_popescu;this is not how it works, "emboldening" whatever. moreover, the implemented solution was correct : when there's ambigous behaviour IN THE PROTOCOL, this has to be exposed TO THE USER. it has been.
1490025;1466804519;mircea_popescu;trb acted correctly.
1490026;1466804530;asciilifeform;sig malleation was a non-bug - affected only derps
1490027;1466804538;asciilifeform;was harmless wart
1490028;1466804568;mircea_popescu;besides the point. when there's ambiguity in design, this is to be exposed to user.
1490029;1466804576;mircea_popescu;it's the only way to lance the boil.
1490030;1466804599;mircea_popescu;i get it that "there not being ambiguity in design" would be better. nevertheless, what would be better is not related to what is.
1490031;1466804609;asciilifeform;there are other, similar ambiguities - sigs end in whatever odd number, say
1490032;1466804642;asciilifeform;what if the miners decide that mircea_popescu ought to regenerate his k nonce until sig dun end in 3
1490033;1466804657;mircea_popescu;these aren't really the same kind of item.
1490034;1466804691;mircea_popescu;the fact is, the function sign(message) did not yield a single valid output. but two.
1490035;1466804701;mircea_popescu;this is because bitcoin was made by the ducks, sure, but still is what it is.
1490036;1466804719;asciilifeform;i can see the argument, yes, high and low s are interconvertible
1490037;1466804743;mircea_popescu;well you could see it then, too, just i guess meanwhile forgot ? anyway, there's a reason we did what we did and still as good now as then.
1490038;1466804745;asciilifeform;but fact is that we fixed a harmless nonbug at the instigation of the enemy.
1490039;1466804767;mircea_popescu;eh, there's no such "at the instigation" bla bla. we fixed something that had to be fixed, and we fixed it correctly. big whoop.
1490040;1466804777;asciilifeform;had to be? why?
1490041;1466804806;mircea_popescu;because the damned thing was ambiguous ?
1490042;1466804821;mircea_popescu;it wasn't urgent, but it was certainly fundamental.
1490043;1466804823;asciilifeform;if miners were sane, i could send high s as is my satan-given right!11111
1490044;1466804835;asciilifeform;high s is legit sig
1490045;1466804839;mircea_popescu;you can still send it. just, likely, they'll malleate it pre-mining it.
1490046;1466804851;asciilifeform;a month later
1490047;1466804852;mircea_popescu;(i send high-s all the time)
1490048;1466804858;mircea_popescu;usually ~5 minutes.
1490049;1466804861;asciilifeform;when it suits them
1490050;1466804878;asciilifeform;last time i waited almost a week
1490051;1466804878;mircea_popescu;the cost of malleation is ~0, as long as you include a fee it suits someone
1490052;1466804891;mircea_popescu;(once someone does it, whether they mine a block or not is irrelevant, tx now in mempool)
1490053;1466804927;asciilifeform;it was interesting, i resent, and IMMEDIATELY my original high-s got malleated
1490054;1466804938;asciilifeform;this was my alphago bet iirc
1490055;1466804942;mircea_popescu;aha
1490056;1466804971;mircea_popescu;https://www.webiron.com/bot_feed/d80d40b13ccf07a2c523e3c6625d101d << this was kinda interesting.
1490057;1466805002;asciilifeform;why does that rpc shit even exist
1490058;1466805033;mircea_popescu;so can has pingbacks
1490059;1466805062;asciilifeform;they're intrinsically spam-enabling
1490060;1466805068;asciilifeform;and a bad idea
1490061;1466805072;mircea_popescu;i need them to create my article reference trees.
1490062;1466805091;asciilifeform;that only needs self-links, no?
1490063;1466805110;mircea_popescu;eh, blogs aren't that "self". intertextuality!
1490064;1466805118;mircea_popescu;anyway, i get 0 spam through this, so ...
1490065;1466805154;asciilifeform;plenty of attempted spmurder tho
1490066;1466805164;mircea_popescu;yeah.
1490067;1466805505;BingoBoingo;<asciilifeform> there are other, similar ambiguities - sigs end in whatever odd number, say << Original effort at sig enforcement was "even-s" around prb 0.9 deliberations before "low-s" was chosen
1490068;1466806666;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/dbce7c5443849b71ca99e30d9d2c376b/tumblr_o7z8noMARI1v9q30so1_1280.jpg
1490069;1466807548;Bugpowder;Some of you guys were talking about the 6502 right?
1490070;1466807556;asciilifeform;aha
1490071;1466807561;Bugpowder;Any of you seen this recent paper?  http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/05/26/055624
1490072;1466807588;Bugpowder;PDF http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2016/05/26/055624.full.pdf
1490073;1466808107;mircea_popescu;nope
1490074;1466808151;Bugpowder;its pretty funny from the neuroscience perspective
1490075;1466808163;Bugpowder;uses all these common neuroscience tools to try to understand the 6502
1490076;1466808168;Bugpowder;Fail
1490077;1466808378;mircea_popescu;ha!
1490078;1466808387;mircea_popescu;how come ? it's not that complex an  item
1490079;1466808415;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess i'll have to get my pdf decoder ring later an see what's in there
1490080;1466808443;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor
1490081;1466808443;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes.
1490082;1466808527;Bugpowder;It speaks more to the defecits in our analytical tools we use to study neural circuits.
1490083;1466808553;Bugpowder;Suggests maybe we should develop tools that would allow reverse engineering the microprocessor and translate these tools to neural circuits.
1490084;1466808557;mircea_popescu;nobody takes neural "circuits" literally do they ?
1490085;1466809301;Bugpowder;yes
1490086;1466809306;Bugpowder;very literally!
1490087;1466809377;Bugpowder;Search projectreporter.nih.gov  for “neural circuits” grants in 2015… There were 1695 results matching your search criteria.
1490088;1466809391;BingoBoingo;"reflex arc" is a thing 1880's tech
1490089;1466809437;BingoBoingo;Headlol of the day: "Embattled Whiteness Gave Us Brexit. It Won’t Give Us President Trump"
1490090;1466810493;BingoBoingo;$up gabriel_laddel
1490091;1466810493;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes.
1490092;1466810620;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A trucking good time. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/24/a-trucking-good-time/
1490093;1466816078;mircea_popescu;;;later tell bugpowder well that's pretty dumb then
1490094;1466816080;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1490095;1466816214;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo oh, "embattled" is it. lol. how's the derp know what whitey's gonna give him ?
1490096;1466816248;mircea_popescu;and in other party news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/9b28c313e3002790c507dc53b1abb8cc/tumblr_o95qn6jPRd1v2jlxco1_500.gif
1490097;1466816387;Framedragger;[21:39:35] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger ironically, that was in the log :D << oh.. damn! >.<
1490098;1466816702;mircea_popescu;$up than\
1490099;1466816703;deedbot;than\ voiced for 30 minutes.
1490100;1466816705;mircea_popescu;$up than
1490101;1466816705;deedbot;than voiced for 30 minutes.
1490102;1466816723;mircea_popescu;was phf traveling or something ?
1490103;1466822893;asciilifeform;no logz, huh.
1490104;1466823558;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: muchas gracias. i've implemented a fix. we'll now see if i twisted the right knob.
1490105;1466824016;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-22#1487103 << in a word : drones. i met some local kids recently who were doing exactly this. they shot a scene for the latest xmen movie but most of what they do is 3d modelling like this for local businesses. these kids were ~so~ sophisticated. made it seem like drone + software did 99% of the work on its own.
1490106;1466824345;pete_dushenski;https://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/illiberalism-worldwide-crisis/ << o hey look its danielpbarron
1490107;1466824623;trinque;"astonishing" !
1490108;1466824702;trinque;thank god or whoever that this is becoming visible; I am not waiting til I'm 80 for fiatocalypse
1490109;1466824723;trinque;http://www.inquisitr.com/3241149/texit-texas-nationalist-movement-calls-for-secession-from-united-states-following-historic-brexit-vote/
1490110;1466824768;trinque;http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/04/is-texas-plan-to-bring-home-its-stockpile-of-gold-bars-a-step-toward-secession/
1490111;1466824808;pete_dushenski;if uk, why not texas and cold texas (aka alberta)
1490112;1466824812;thestringpuller;oh logs are down
1490113;1466824815;thestringpuller;just silently down
1490114;1466824837;pete_dushenski;for a while now
1490115;1466824843;trinque;pete_dushenski: age of chewing social structures into small, fluid, agile creatures
1490116;1466824865;thestringpuller;trinque: til I'm 80 for fiatocalypse << next generation's problems. train the children well with lots of beatings.
1490117;1466824885;trinque;anyone worth a shit already had them when being raised in TX
1490118;1466824895;thestringpuller;sure. but make sure you continue the legacy.
1490119;1466824920;thestringpuller;don't want the children of hipsters from brooklyn to grow up and try to make everything 100% socialist
1490120;1466824925;trinque;I don't think it's apparent from the outside that TX having it's own culture isn't some kind of marketing brand or hashtag
1490121;1466824938;trinque;this place openly hates DC as much as asciilifeform does
1490122;1466824948;thestringpuller;i think anyone who lives in DC hates DC
1490123;1466824972;thestringpuller;didn't white people not live in DC for the entiritey of the crack epidemic
1490124;1466825235;pete_dushenski;trinque: the pendulum swings back and forth, usually bloodily
1490125;1466825286;pete_dushenski;the chewing this time is of a mayobeast cow, however. not a tasty slaughter, but necessary all the same.
1490126;1466825535;pete_dushenski;http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/violencenobelsymposium.pdf << for statisticians reading
1490127;1466826236;thestringpuller;https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4pmsok/cnledger_on_twitter_jihanwu_jihanwu_bitcoin/d4m7rz2 << Roger Ver has brainwashed these people into denial
1490128;1466826238;pete_dushenski;"He apparently achieved this paragon of intellectual dishonestly through plain cultural osmosis." << extra 'l', mircea_popescu
1490129;1466826318;thestringpuller;"lol, what exactly is your (Popescu & friends) leverage to veto changes other than a supposedly large stash of coins that you keep threatening to crash the price with?"
1490130;1466826371;thestringpuller;isn't ironic people say shit like this, but then luke-jr joins the channel to get "support for hardfork". then immediately after being shut down is like "okay guys. they still hate us power rangers. I don't think we should talk about hard forks any time soon, cause it ain't happening"
1490131;1466826385;thestringpuller;so much denial.
1490132;1466826398;pete_dushenski;not just a river in egypt
1490133;1466826410;pete_dushenski;also the cesspool in luke's noggin
1490134;1466826507;thestringpuller;Ver apparently likes to wade around in cesspools. Isn't he pretty much a d00d without a passport?
1490135;1466826519;thestringpuller;Has a JP visa cause "HEY D00D I LIKE ANIME AND I'M A WEABOO"
1490136;1466826555;pete_dushenski;more like a thai-bo punching bag but hey, "close enough to relevance"
1490137;1466827030;pete_dushenski;heh anyone else remember billy blanks' fitness magique ? no way something that ~hard~ would fly today. "gimme my pills, shakes, and sauna belts and stop blocking oprah!"
1490138;1466828185;thestringpuller;pete_dushenski: have you checked out my new blog yet lolol
1490139;1466828209;pete_dushenski;lol i dun even know the url
1490140;1466829369;thestringpuller;http://thestringpuller.com << pete_dushenski
1490141;1466829373;thestringpuller;just put up a new article too
1490142;1466829522;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski as in "pain" ?
1490143;1466829566;pete_dushenski;as in 'dishonesty'
1490144;1466829569;pete_dushenski;:)
1490145;1466829587;pete_dushenski;thestringpuller: nifty. and overdue!
1490146;1466829625;mircea_popescu;oh lol
1490147;1466830041;mircea_popescu;thestringpuller dude, obscure reddit is obscure. who ever cares, what.
1490148;1466830625;pete_dushenski;http://trilema.com/2016/the-life-and-times-of-one-phil-daian-aspiring-nigger-apprentice-cocksucker/#comment-117792 << at least to my ear
1490149;1466830969;pete_dushenski;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90srnnzznTI << uzbeki mega-tunnel built 3 months ahead of schedule. impossibru ? not if china builds it.
1490150;1466831240;mircea_popescu;;;ticker
1490151;1466831241;gribble;Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 687.3099999999999, Best ask: 688.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.69000, Last trade: 687.3099999999999, 24 hour volume: 77350.78216166999, 24 hour low: 634.51, 24 hour high: 698.0, 24 hour vwap: None
1490152;1466831848;mircea_popescu;in other somewhat lulz, https://etherchain.org/statistics/dao
1490153;1466832104;mircea_popescu;(explanation for sane people : in another of countless "we'll shave with the blender and paint walls by dripping nail polish on upturned, revved motorcycle wheel" creative moves of the mit derps, they're "temporarily" using the miner signalling for difficulty to mean miner signalling for implementing their derpy soft-fork. because nothing bad can ever come out of arbitrary, non-designed redefinitions of the meaning of mechani
1490154;1466832105;mircea_popescu;sms as you go. especially if it's for a good cause, such as bloating upstream code with random exceptions required to fix errors in downstream. you know, like windows does it.)
1490155;1466832351;mircea_popescu;(this also means that the postponing from here http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-24#1489088 just got posponed again. by another 50k blocks, ie ~a week.
1490156;1466834837;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Hail, Caesar! - http://www.contravex.com/2016/06/25/hail-caesar/
1490157;1466835225;ben_vulpes;pete_dushenski: i'm talking about the integration of imu data, possible points in three-space from frame to frame, among just a few things that go into turning a set of stills into a painted point cloud
1490158;1466835242;ben_vulpes;tracking* possible points...
1490159;1466835247;ben_vulpes;but yes. "drones".
1490160;1466835294;pete_dushenski;don't forget "software"
1490161;1466835308;ben_vulpes;the term of art is "structure from motion".
1490162;1466835375;*;ben_vulpes was idly hoping to waste time on kalman filters in preliminary research but much of the heavy lifting seems to have been done already.
1490163;1466835412;ben_vulpes;can't tell how poorly without actually trying to duct-tape more open sores together, though.
1490164;1466835508;ben_vulpes;i've read a few interesting ways of attacking the problem, and the wrinkles that crop up (brightness variation, for one), and one *hilarious* set of assumptions that some people make in the name of performance
1490165;1466835532;ben_vulpes;that lines are either perpendicular or parallel to gravity
1490166;1466835549;ben_vulpes;noshit.jpg does that make your correlation task a bit easier
1490167;1466835787;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459609 << more like end of july. relocating to the 'burbs wasn't in that estimate.
1490168;1466836265;pete_dushenski;"The Pentagon plans to announce the repeal of its ban on openly serving transgender service members next month, U.S. defense officials said. The repeal would come five years after a 2011 decision to end the U.S. military's ban on gays and lesbians serving openly, despite fears - which proved unfounded - that such a move would be too great a burden in wartime and would undermine readiness." << PROOOOOOVED unfounded. sci
1490169;1466836265;pete_dushenski;entificarry, presumabry.
1490170;1466836483;*;pete_dushenski to bed. single-parenting this weekend. necessito energia.
1490171;1466859624;asciilifeform;STILL no log.
1490172;1466859647;asciilifeform;phf is eager to become the next nanotube??
1490173;1466859671;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://urbit.org/blog/dao << riot of lulz
1490174;1466859672;gribble;The operation succeeded.
1490175;1466860627;thestringpuller;running tmsr infrastructure iz hardworkz
1490176;1466860646;thestringpuller;asciilifeform: how are you on this fine saturday?
1490177;1466861448;shinohai;;;ticker --market all
1490178;1466861455;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 675.96, vol: 8010.56160209 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 648.37, vol: 8037.4695 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 681.35, vol: 53885.9152148 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 650.0, vol: 1.449 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 684.595989, vol: 63114.65760000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 680.37, vol: 2418.75288927 | Volume-weighted last average: 680.569015845
1490179;1466862665;mircea_popescu;$up liead
1490180;1466862665;deedbot;liead voiced for 30 minutes.
1490181;1466862698;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform myeah tis getting kinda ridiculous ;/
1490182;1466862703;asciilifeform;sure is.
1490183;1466862722;asciilifeform;luckily i have my own logtron, but it isn't linkable to
1490184;1466862774;asciilifeform;anyway i am falling down from the sheer l0ltr0n1c force of mr mold's defense of eth
1490185;1466862774;mircea_popescu;so make it linkable to so it can go down every week and we can bitch at you also.
1490186;1466862781;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i just might
1490187;1466862800;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's two kinds of men in this world. those who walk with their life in palm of hand ; and those who have a job to do.
1490188;1466862845;mircea_popescu;mr mold got a job to do. much like mr. max, and every other capon in the history of "civilisation", he got a snatch he's chained to and belabouring to please.
1490189;1466862878;mircea_popescu;meanwhile at terror ranch, http://66.media.tumblr.com/fa9a2501411802f10f1ddcaf88a17b7f/tumblr_o95tgbwNUD1u0i0qzo1_400.gif